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Friday, April 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:03] promacuser: heyyyyy everybody
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[00:01:18] promacuser: first of all, a big thanks to everyone who helped me over the weekend get my box up and running again
[00:01:30] laga: Blinkk: no, you need to read the 'working with portage' chapter in the gentoo manual. especially how you can unmask packages... packages like x11-themes/mythtv-themes... because that's one of the dependencies of mythtv
[00:05:54] promacuser: i'm getting a stuttering problem with mythvideo. my videos are stored on a remote samba share. my backend/frontend machine (that is, all in one) is a 1.8Ghz pentium of some flavor that i don't remember. every five minutes or so, i get an annoying .5 to 1 second stutter. any clue what causes it?
[00:06:00] Blinkk: it only says stuff about unmasking them in the package.mask file
[00:06:07] Blinkk: but these are masked by keywords
[00:08:14] Lycan: promacuser, is that for all channels or just the hd ones?
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[00:09:29] Lycan: Blinkk, id ask the guys in #gentoo, they should be able to solve your problem quickly
[00:11:56] promacuser: Lycon: it's just for my dvds that i ripped to my external samba share
[00:12:05] Lycan: oh ok
[00:12:06] promacuser: they're all divx files
[00:13:46] Blinkk: i hate how i always just miss one little thing
[00:14:56] laga: Blinkk: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handboo . . . 3&chap=3
[00:15:33] Lycan: can anyone think of why i cant adjust my brightness/hue/contrast via xv? i thought it was an incorrect key binding but i think i am missing some xv package
[00:15:51] Lycan: its driving me nuts
[00:18:18] laga: there's a setting somewhere called 'use Xv picture controls'. did you enable that?
[00:19:46] Blinkk: ok so before i emerge this new mythtv do i have to do something to the old oen?
[00:21:48] laga: Blinkk: did you use 0.18? was it, like, up and running?
[00:22:13] Blinkk: no, i couldnt get mythtv-setup to write to the database
[00:23:11] laga: well, just upgrade then. but backups never hurt...
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[00:25:53] Lycan: yes i did laga, ie if i press F the brightness slider control comes up, but i cant adjust it no matter what i press
[00:26:30] Lycan: but i can adjust volume etc..and this is an identical setup to a previous system i moved across from...it must be some package i havent emerged
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[00:27:34] laga: Lycan: sorry, i can't help you there :/
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[00:27:40] laga: but maybe gossamer knows ;)
[00:28:37] Lycan: thx anyway
[00:28:42] laga: well, g'night guys :) 2:30am for me
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[00:31:00] promacuser: any ideas for my stuttering frontend?
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[00:33:33] [R]: how insane am i...
[00:33:47] [R]: i want to run cedega from mythgame to play grand theft auto
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[00:36:30] mishehu: bah, aside from kernel firewire support, is there any other dependency required for building mythtv with firewire support?
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[00:38:18] xris: promacuser: all of these are factors: processor speed, hard drive, ram, recording resolution, tuner type, recording type, playback resolution, video card...
[00:38:32] mishehu: xris: hey, I got a motorola dct6200
[00:38:43] mishehu: just this afternoon.
[00:39:23] xris: cool
[00:39:59] mishehu: xris: can't seem to get mytht to configure for b uild with firewire support... aside from kernel support, was there a lib or something that I need?
[00:40:49] mishehu: xris: cuz I run configure with --enable-firewire even, and it always says "no"
[00:41:05] xris: promacuser: start listing them off...
[00:41:28] xris: mishehu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec  — go through there and look at the BuildRequires package names
[00:41:46] xris: specifically the ones for firewire
[00:42:51] mishehu: xris: ah, ok, 3 libs needed
[00:43:00] mishehu: thanks for the link, wasn't finding it on searches
[00:44:54] promacuser: xris: Pentium 1.8Ghz, the hard drive is an external samba share on my mac tower probably 7200RPM, 512Megs ram, recordings are at 720*400 or something close to that, all DivX recordings, don't know the resolution, and i'm using the built in video out of the asus pundit
[00:45:13] xris: so.. software encoder
[00:45:31] xris: look at your cpu usage when watching. you're probably just overloading the cpu
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[00:46:01] mishehu: great smoking procs
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[00:51:51] promacuser: ok, i'll check in a sec
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[00:57:12] mos__: Does anyone know why my backend might be freezing? it seems like the connection to the SQL server is timing out, I'm not sure how to fix this
[00:57:26] mos__: it freezes once a day
[00:57:45] Anduin: mos__: .19 (not fixes) and MySQL 5?
[01:02:38] mishehu: I've not had the mysql server freeze on me, but i've had idle connection timeouts in the past.
[01:03:16] akaias: trying to get the frontend working on another computer. i cant connect to the database on the myth box. I tried grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; on the mythbox as well as restricting to my local network but i still cant connect.
[01:03:52] mishehu: akaias: did you run "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;" on mysql?
[01:04:03] Anduin: akaias: Check your my.cnf as well (for local binding0
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[01:05:24] mos|ghost: Anduin, yes
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[01:05:56] mos__: the sql server itself isnt freezing
[01:06:07] Anduin: mos__: Either move to -fixes, or search the user list for the MySQL setting.
[01:06:54] mos__: where can I find -fixes i see no mention of it on the homepage
[01:07:13] mishehu: 2006-04–13 20:06:31.011 FireWireChannel: unable to get handle for port: 0
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[01:09:00] Anduin: mos__: It is a branch, nor packages into a tarball.
[01:09:06] Anduin: not even
[01:09:09] mos__: ah okay
[01:09:17] mos__: cvs or svn?
[01:09:23] Drag0n: anyone know what mythtv ./configure is looking for to determin DVD playback yes/no ?
[01:09:25] Anduin: svn
[01:09:44] mos__: Drag0n, libdvdcss most likely
[01:09:49] Drag0n: k
[01:09:54] Anduin: not css
[01:09:55] Drag0n: will try that
[01:09:57] Anduin: dvdread
[01:10:05] Drag0n: dvdread? ok
[01:10:06] Anduin: css is illegal in many places
[01:10:38] mos__: but not immoral
[01:10:57] Anduin: arguable
[01:11:05] feld: nah
[01:11:10] feld: you should have the right to read your own fscking dvds
[01:11:17] feld: in and device you own
[01:11:19] feld: *any
[01:12:10] akaias: Anduin, thanks, the bind_address was the culprit.
[01:13:33] mishehu: xris: how am I supposed to know what port/node for the dct6200?
[01:14:30] xris: mishehu: read the firewire section of jarod's guide
[01:14:49] akaias: ok. now i can connect alright but it is trying to connect to the master backend on the localhost. i cant find where to chnage this.
[01:15:16] mos__: its in general on mythtv-setup
[01:15:21] mishehu: xris: got a url for jarod's guide?
[01:16:33] mishehu: tonight is not my night for searches :-/
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[01:16:53] Anduin: It is hard to not find.
[01:16:54] Drag0n: ok, i have both installed and it still reports no
[01:17:04] mishehu: is that jarod wilson?
[01:17:17] Anduin: mishehu: Yes, wilsonnet or whatever.
[01:17:37] akaias: xris, i dont have that. i built mythtv with only the frontend. i'll just install the whole deal
[01:18:39] mishehu: ok
[01:19:34] Anduin: Drag0n: Sorry, dvdnav
[01:20:25] Drag0n: k, thanks
[01:22:31] rupy: hey guys i just deleted something by accident
[01:22:35] rupy: any ideas how to get it back?
[01:22:43] promacuser: xris: it looks like mplayer isn't stuttering because of CPU overusage
[01:22:49] promacuser: it maxes out around 15%
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[01:23:11] xris: promacuser: mplayer isn't encoding, nor can it play nupplevideo files properly
[01:23:29] xris: akaias: huh?
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[01:23:45] xris: mishehu: yes. wilsonet.com
[01:23:51] promacuser: xris: this is in mythvideo. i'm playing ripped DVDs
[01:24:12] xris: promacuser: oh, sorry, thought you were talking about recorded programs.
[01:24:30] xris: in that case, I have no clue. are you using mplayer in mythvideo, or another program?
[01:24:50] promacuser: mythvideo
[01:25:07] rupy: i just deleted the "/lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko" ; file
[01:25:11] rupy: do i need this :p ?
[01:25:18] Drag0n: that cot it, thanks guys
[01:25:22] Drag0n: got even
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[01:25:39] rupy: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko conflicts with the ivtv module of the same name — please hide or delete it.
[01:25:51] rupy: I accidently deleted it, do I need to get it back or doesnt it matter?
[01:25:55] promacuser: hmm. in that case. it's good to see that i narrowed it down to "not the CPU"
[01:26:08] xris: promacuser: mythvideo can use mplayer
[01:26:11] Anduin: rupy: When ivtv builds msp3400.ko you should use that one.
[01:26:18] rupy: cool
[01:26:21] rupy: thanks anduin
[01:27:27] promacuser: xris: can? that's what it's doing, i believe
[01:27:44] xris: promacuser: check your config — it can use the mythtv internal player, too
[01:27:53] promacuser: does that work better?
[01:27:56] xris: but check top when you're getting the stuttering.
[01:28:04] xris: promacuser: "better" is subjective...
[01:28:07] promacuser: heh
[01:28:29] promacuser: xris: i did check during the stuttering. everything added up to maybe 40%
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[01:30:01] akaias: xris, i build mythtv with only the frontend. i set the frontend use flag in gentoo. it was pulling the old database info i had from a previous try months ago. frontend only didnt give me the setup program.
[01:30:04] rupy: could someone point me in the right direction here?
[01:30:06] promacuser: probably even less than that between 20 and 30
[01:30:09] rupy: I am following this tutorial:
[01:30:09] rupy: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html
[01:30:18] rupy: busy doing the make install, but i get two errors:
[01:30:29] rupy: v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg needs copying to the hotplug firmware
[01:30:35] rupy: directory if needed for PVR350 mpeg initialization
[01:30:47] rupy: does this means its failed? Or are they just notification messages?
[01:30:59] mishehu: gah, this test-mpeg2 has no documentation
[01:31:01] xris: akaias: you have it on your backend somewhere, then... and whoever sets up the build for gentoo needs to be slapped.
[01:31:45] mishehu: looks like I have something online on host adapter 1 node 1, but I don't know how to specify that with test-mpeg2
[01:35:29] xris: promacuser: I'm at a loss
[01:38:24] promacuser: xris: yeah, i think it might have something to do with the fact that the server is hosted on another computer. i don't know exactly how fast my ethernet is, but i bet that's the culprit
[01:38:36] Anduin: promacuser: Have you tried running mplayer by hand? with -v? -ao alsa?
[01:39:01] promacuser: Anduin: no, i haven't had a chance to read up on the mplayer commands yet
[01:39:11] xris: promacuser: thought you said it worked fine when you ran mplayer by hand, though
[01:39:19] promacuser: xris: nope, not yet
[01:39:22] xris: oh
[01:39:24] Anduin: promacuser: network congestion can cause that as well (happens here)
[01:39:25] xris: then yeah, do that
[01:45:28] promacuser: ok, trying it now
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[01:49:35] kazan: ok
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[01:49:42] kazan: i got IVTV loading before i left
[01:49:55] promacuser: ok, the stuttering still happens when i run mplayer manually
[01:49:56] kazan: desmg | grep video shows "bttv0: registered device video0"
[01:50:04] promacuser: with only -fs as options
[01:50:10] kazan: i also have video1, video2, video24, video25, video32 and video33
[01:50:25] kazan: i assume that 1 and 2 are the primary heads of ivtv
[01:53:16] Anduin: kazan: and?
[01:53:57] kazan: am i correct in this assumption
[01:55:08] Anduin: Yes.
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[01:55:28] kazan: k
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[01:56:41] kazan: what's the optimal resolution to capture from a PVR-500 at (NTSC) – 720x480?
[01:57:30] Anduin: Optimal varies.
[01:58:28] AngryElf: if myth has already automatically transcoded a video can it be transcoded to a lower bitrate to make it even smaller?
[01:58:53] kazan: i believe so
[01:59:16] Anduin: AngryElf: Did you try? If you gave it a few more runs you could make it unwatchable as well.
[01:59:18] kazan: go into your recording manager, go into the info – job options and transcode and select the lower bitrate profile
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[01:59:50] kazan: anduin: how does mythbackend handle interrupted commflag/transcode jobs (ie via service mythbackend stop)
[02:00:07] mishehu: ok, this is now pissing me off... it changes the channel, but I'm not getting any audio and it's blocking read up the ass... "took too long to be allowed to read"
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[02:00:30] AngryElf: no i haven't tried, i figured i'd have to do it from the command line since myth has already flagged it as encoded
[02:00:39] Anduin: kazan: Not sure, I do neither regularly (there is a job table, though I thought it was cleared on restart).
[02:01:09] kazan: hmm
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[02:02:12] kazan: am i still connected? windows decided it was wise to go into sleep instead of waiting for me to connect my power cable
[02:08:08] kazan: looks like it restarts the queue
[02:09:21] kazan: anduin you still there?
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[02:10:13] Anduin: kazan: Yes.
[02:10:25] kazan: what Stream Type should i set my PVR-500 to?
[02:10:26] kazan: DVD?
[02:11:29] Anduin: That was the last one I remember being recommended.
[02:12:01] kazan: k
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[02:16:28] kazan: ok wtf
[02:16:35] kazan: now that i have the pvr-500 installed my livetv is jumpy
[02:17:18] kazan: and my image quality is actually worse :(
[02:17:53] eiggirC: I need more CPU. The shows on over Easter will take more than a week to commflag, transcode and nuvexport
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[02:25:29] achew22: Hey all!
[02:25:37] dtm: kazan: are you having an irq conflict
[02:25:45] kazan: how would i tell
[02:25:53] kazan: i've been playing with my pci latencies to see if that fixes it
[02:25:59] dtm: eiggirC: great so you just need to get a cpu that's 20 times faster. great plan.
[02:26:07] kazan: that's not fixing it
[02:26:11] dtm: kazan: cat /proc/interrupts or 'lspci -v'
[02:26:20] eiggirC: dtm: that'd fix it nicely :)
[02:26:26] dtm: you know how to adjust pci latency but not to check irqs?!
[02:26:40] kazan: ivtv0 and ivtv1 are on their own interrupts
[02:26:48] kazan: video card and bttv0 are sharing
[02:26:52] dtm: :-o
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[02:27:08] dtm: kazan: please note that all peesea hardware is crap
[02:27:13] dtm: kthx
[02:27:14] kazan: peesa?
[02:27:42] dtm: close! if only we had some manner of text-based medium in which to communicate, so i didn't have to sound it out...
[02:27:52] kazan: ah
[02:27:53] kazan: PCI
[02:27:54] kazan: lol
[02:28:00] dtm: no.
[02:28:12] kazan: oh
[02:28:13] kazan: PC
[02:28:14] achew22: lol — cold dtm... cold
[02:28:15] dtm: anyway good luck
[02:28:19] kazan: what would you like.. Macintrash?
[02:28:26] dtm: kazan: no i'd like macintosh
[02:28:32] kazan: no such think
[02:28:35] kazan: all their hardware stinks
[02:28:36] dtm: :-I
[02:28:41] kazan: even if they have cleaned up their OS
[02:28:45] achew22: their hardware is what makes their systems...
[02:28:47] kazan: prioritary hardware locking = bullshit
[02:28:54] kazan: makes their systems shit
[02:28:57] dtm: kazan: your brain is obviously experiencing massive irq floods and conflicts. good luck
[02:29:07] kazan: always have been, a nice new well done paintjob on shit doesn't make it non-shit
[02:29:19] dtm: i'm experiencing unintelligable lapses in your text flow
[02:29:21] eiggirC: dtm: did you have an extra dose of cynicism this morning ?
[02:29:23] kazan: brb moving cards
[02:29:25] eiggirC: :)
[02:29:31] achew22: eiggirC, hahahha
[02:29:31] dtm: :-I
[02:29:35] dtm: achew22: unbelievable.
[02:29:51] eiggirC: dtm: is your name bill and did you shoot holes in a nokia IP330 firewall with a glock ?
[02:30:01] dtm: eiggirC: not that i know of!
[02:30:06] dtm: i do have a cat though
[02:30:07] achew22: I agree that proprietary is bull... but they really do make good hardware
[02:30:14] eiggirC: dtm: heh :) http://www.coverstreet.com/2005/07/nokia-ip33 . . . tml#comments
[02:30:27] eiggirC: achew22: so why have they gone to intel CPUs ?
[02:30:31] dtm: achew22: yeah now if *macintosh* hardware was in some way proprietary, then there'd be a problem
[02:30:44] eiggirC: achew22: cos they still control the boards and everything on them
[02:30:48] achew22: eiggirC, yep...
[02:30:51] achew22: they own the computer
[02:31:04] achew22: the ppc chip is lagging behind — thats why they switched
[02:31:23] dtm: eiggirC: and no, but other people take extra heavy doses of 'stupid' apparently
[02:31:30] dtm: :/
[02:31:34] eiggirC: thats right. If only compaq hadn't cloned the bios from an IBM then we'd still have the same situation, and we'd have the PS2 model 10000030
[02:31:44] dtm: eiggirC: my cynicism isn't especially high afaik ;)
[02:31:45] eiggirC: dtm: HA! I like it!
[02:31:54] dtm: eiggirC: well you can HAVE IT! ;)
[02:31:56] eiggirC: dtm: its an occupational hazard :)
[02:32:40] achew22: eiggirC, I want a PS2 model 10000030
[02:32:41] kazan: back
[02:32:44] kazan: moved my bttv card over a slot
[02:32:48] achew22: i wonder if it will load windows....
[02:33:01] eiggirC: kazan: you have hot swap PCI or something?
[02:33:15] dtm: eiggirC: i'd say it's more likely he has a hotswap tty
[02:33:24] dtm: i do
[02:33:44] achew22: my father hot swapped a pci card on accident and burned the living hell out of his board and all the pci cards in there
[02:33:49] ** eiggirC goes to get some vitamin D **
[02:33:56] achew22: EEW VITAMIN D!
[02:34:04] eiggirC: achew22: poor bugger – was he okay?
[02:34:18] achew22: he was fine — no contacts where I told him to hold the card
[02:34:46] eiggirC: achew22: I heard of someone knocking the power-on key on the keyboard of an expensive (at the time) sun SS20
[02:34:48] kazan: eiggirC: i have more than one computer or something :P
[02:34:59] eiggirC: achew22: then he added ram without noticing
[02:35:15] eiggirC: kazan: L:)
[02:35:23] achew22: got him a dell.... 150$ because of a mislabeling on the online store (some guy got impatient and pushed enter twice and put the 100$ rebate on 2 times)
[02:35:33] achew22: had a monitor too!
[02:35:45] eiggirC: wow.
[02:35:54] kazan: pwnd
[02:36:12] achew22: they cought it 2 hours later with something like 300 orders placed for it...
[02:36:14] achew22: suckers
[02:36:38] achew22: $$$$$ down the tubes
[02:36:47] achew22: i wonder if the guy got fired...
[02:37:11] achew22: whoever gave the link to the Nokia IP330 firewall thing... those guys suck at aiming
[02:37:28] eiggirC: achew22: yeah – and they suck at witty reparte too.
[02:37:36] achew22: what do you expect from the military?
[02:37:48] achew22: I prefer banter to raparte though....
[02:37:50] eiggirC: they're not military.
[02:38:02] achew22: i know — ex military guiys from how they are dressed
[02:38:07] kazan: getting everything on it's own irq did not solve the issue
[02:38:16] eiggirC: the military wouldn't do such a thing, they'd use bigger hardware
[02:38:35] achew22: ohh — sorry... the guys are military
[02:38:49] achew22: that was supposed to be "what do you expect from military personel?"
[02:39:24] achew22: hrm... I got an interesting error — when I nfs mount a drive into /var/lib/mythtv (already have one mounted in ther) the folder gets smaller....
[02:39:39] eiggirC: achew22: have you ever noticed ex-military guys tend to not wear military clothes? also they're too fat  :)
[02:39:49] achew22: hahaha
[02:41:53] kazan: hmm
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[02:42:16] kazan: i wonder if it's a harddrive performance issue
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[02:46:16] feld: achew22: not only do they suck at aiming, but the guy's resume posted at that site is pretty embarassing.
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[02:47:44] kazan: how do i make sure myth is taking advantage of the IVTV hardware encoder?
[02:49:17] feld: uhm if you're using something that requires the ivtv driver and it appears to be functioning, i'm pretty damn sure it's taking advantage of it
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[02:49:39] kazan: hmm
[02:49:54] kazan: i'm getting the same image quality out of my IVTV devices as i'm getting out of my bttv
[02:49:57] kazan: and the same cpu usage
[02:50:41] Blinkk: ok i finally got to running mythfilldatabase
[02:51:15] Blinkk: and it says couldnt connect to the master server
[02:51:46] ShockValue: is it a front/back combo?
[02:52:11] Blinkk: yeah, same comp
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[02:52:28] ShockValue: sounds like mythbackend might not be running?
[02:53:09] ShockValue: omg allmusic.com sucks .. so slow...
[02:55:48] kazan: hmm
[02:56:07] kazan: do i have to create a different video source to associate to each capture device?
[02:56:22] ShockValue: i think so ya
[02:56:26] kazan: hmm
[02:56:28] kazan: that may be my problem
[02:59:34] achew22: feld, where did you find his resume?
[03:00:05] achew22: nevermind — found it
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[03:00:28] achew22: feld — ohh my god HE KNOWS HTML!!! HIRE HIM!
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[03:01:03] feld: HTML and he's got the Minesweeper Specialist / Solitaire Expert certification
[03:01:32] feld: whoops
[03:01:37] feld: *Minesweeper Champion
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[03:01:38] feld: MCSE
[03:01:55] achew22: thats sweet!
[03:02:10] achew22: I could get MCSE cert. when I was 14
[03:02:32] achew22: also — he is a redneck
[03:02:39] mos__: you could get it much younger than that, some indian kid got it at like 7
[03:03:03] ShockValue: yeah, world of difference between paper cert and hands on experience
[03:03:10] mos__: yep
[03:03:41] mos__: certs are only useful for getting past HR
[03:03:47] ShockValue: Question #1: The email server just went down, and it was your fault. How do you cover your ass so you don't get fired?
[03:03:54] ShockValue: they dont teach that shit in class.
[03:04:22] mos__: i once aplied for a job as a unix tech, the HR wouldnt let anyone apply who didnt have an MCSE or A+
[03:04:25] kazan: i brought down a prod webserver accidentally a couple weekd ago
[03:04:28] kazan: it was funny
[03:04:43] mos__: well you could apply but it would get circular filed
[03:04:44] kazan: mos__ morons
[03:04:53] mos__: kazan, it happens
[03:05:00] mos__: morons in hr are everywhere
[03:05:03] achew22: ShockValue, reboot the server and inject an email message 2 days in the past that says "we are scheduling a reboot for XX:XX:XX on April 13th, 2006"
[03:05:21] Beirdo: OMG
[03:05:31] kazan: higher input pref on a tuner = more likely to use?
[03:05:33] Blinkk: ok now i click on watch tv.. and it goes to a black screen then back to the menu
[03:05:47] Beirdo: oldrecorded has 10k rows
[03:05:53] achew22: Beirdo, had a heart attack....
[03:05:57] Beirdo: damn, I recorded a lot
[03:06:06] mos__: lol
[03:06:19] mos__: stop recording so much then
[03:06:25] Beirdo: heh
[03:06:26] ShockValue: i just erased my entire recorded shows history so it would re-record things in HD :D
[03:06:35] Beirdo: this is since Nov 2003
[03:06:41] ShockValue: wow nice
[03:06:45] achew22: ShockValue, what do you think of my solution?
[03:06:48] ShockValue: mine was for like 4 months :)
[03:06:50] feld: Beirdo: holy crap
[03:06:53] feld: that's a lot of recording
[03:07:02] achew22: Beirdo, apparently you like tv...
[03:07:07] ShockValue: A- achew22. You're still in trouble for scheduling maintenance during business hours :)
[03:07:12] mos__: not really, when you look at how long it goes back
[03:07:17] achew22: ShockValue, damn.... you have a good point
[03:07:26] Blinkk: any clue on why it goes to a black screen and then back to the menu?
[03:07:35] ShockValue: but a clever scheme none the less.. +1 to save job skill.
[03:07:38] Beirdo: yeah, I record buttloads
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[03:07:46] achew22: Blinkk, it cant open the temp file for the video cache
[03:08:05] mos__: ShockValue, you blame it on an exploint in the MCSE's box that gave a hacker local access which he used to exploit a flaw to take down the machine
[03:08:09] achew22: ShockValue, I JUST LEVELED UP TO "Enron Executive"
[03:08:12] ShockValue: Blinkk – whats the output of mythfrontend say from a command line when you try to watch tv?
[03:08:16] achew22: I'm excited
[03:08:32] Blinkk: lemme see
[03:09:18] feld: achew22: what game u playing that has that level?
[03:09:21] feld: i want to play
[03:09:22] mos__: you accomplish 2 things with that, killing of the smug MCSE who thinks windows is superior to linux and making linux look better to management
[03:09:48] achew22: feld, I'm playing the game of life — when I picked my card for my job I got "backstabing bastard"
[03:09:48] Beirdo: just trying to dung out my database a bit in an attempt to help mythweb stop being quite so slow
[03:09:48] kazan: wtf
[03:09:56] Blinkk: achew22: how do i fix that
[03:09:58] kazan: i tell it to change tuners (c) but it stays on my bttv tuner
[03:10:18] Beirdo: down to a 103MB database
[03:10:30] Blinkk: yeah it says invalid file when opening /home/mythtv/recordings/10289123.mpg
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[03:10:37] feld: Beirdo: the problem is that you're using MySQL
[03:10:42] Beirdo: no
[03:10:53] feld: if you hacked it to use a Microsoft Access database as the backend you'd be fine. _TRUST ME_
[03:10:55] Beirdo: the problem is that it's Qt, I bet
[03:10:55] ShockValue: Blinkk and this is livetv, or a recording you're trying to watch?
[03:10:59] Blinkk: livetv
[03:11:04] ShockValue: weirdness
[03:11:11] achew22: feld, WHAT?! MS Access with mythtv?!
[03:11:13] Beirdo: feld, you are just a bit touched
[03:11:21] feld: lol
[03:11:25] Beirdo: that's the dumbest idea I've heard in a while :)
[03:11:25] feld: I want to see someone do that
[03:11:27] mos__: feld, pah, it could have been better handled with an excel spreadsheet
[03:11:36] Blinkk: i think its what achew22 said, it cant opne the temp file for the cache
[03:11:38] feld: mos__: no excel can only go to 63K rows
[03:11:53] Beirdo: mythweb uses the backend, the backend is Qt
[03:12:02] mos__: feld, exactly, so the person has to make his code good to fit in that
[03:12:02] achew22: can QT use access DB?
[03:12:05] achew22: or odbc?
[03:12:13] Beirdo: ick
[03:12:15] Blinkk: achew22: do you know how i would fix this?
[03:12:22] feld: i bet QT4 will be able to because it will be better cross platform
[03:12:24] feld: i bet someone will do it
[03:12:28] ShockValue: screw that.. im coding a foxpro plugin
[03:12:32] Beirdo: access is shite
[03:12:37] feld: Beirdo: agreed
[03:12:39] achew22: ShockValue, thats just stupid enough to work!
[03:12:42] mos__: someone is just massochistic to do it, I'm sure
[03:12:44] feld: ShockValue: what is foxpro?
[03:12:51] Beirdo: let's make it use berkeley DB
[03:12:52] Beirdo: heh
[03:12:55] achew22: Blinkk, you should run it in verbose mode and read the output
[03:13:12] Blinkk: how do i do that?
[03:13:13] ShockValue: ummm, kinda like access, but .. ehh.. nasty :)
[03:13:15] achew22: feld, foxpro is a database (language?) that is absolutly terrible
[03:13:43] achew22: its like taking your favorite pet (the database) and gutting them, then filling them with rotting fish and putting them in your backyard to play... its just not the same
[03:13:50] mos__: ShockValue, you can do that as long as you code it in m4
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[03:14:29] feld: achew22: LOL great analogy
[03:14:46] achew22: its an isomorphic metaphore
[03:14:55] achew22: they are my favorite
[03:14:55] feld: i stand corrected
[03:15:04] feld: i can tell
[03:15:06] feld: you're good at them
[03:15:08] achew22: :D
[03:15:22] achew22: I had one about jesus for the access database — but decided it wasn't appropriate
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[03:16:15] achew22: is there a way to mount a folder to just make the drive bigger?
[03:16:33] achew22: drive == directory
[03:16:35] mos__: achew22, what you want is called LVM
[03:16:42] achew22: can LVM handle NFS?
[03:16:49] Beirdo: huh?
[03:16:57] achew22: the drives that I want to add are remote
[03:17:02] Beirdo: you'd run LVM on the NFS server
[03:17:13] mos__: yeah..
[03:17:19] mos__: what Beirdo said
[03:17:21] Beirdo: it's not designed for spanning filesystems on several machines
[03:17:27] Beirdo: that would be insane to get right
[03:17:35] achew22: I have an 80 in my mythbox — and I want to add the 450+gb from my server
[03:17:35] mos__: LVM is for host drive filesystems
[03:17:59] mos__: achew22, not gonna happen
[03:18:17] kazan: w00t
[03:18:22] mos__: ou could have it write entirely to the nfs drive
[03:18:25] achew22: thats not reassuring
[03:18:25] mos__: you*
[03:18:26] kazan: 12% CPU usage in backend livetv off my pvr-500
[03:18:33] kazan: erg on frontend
[03:18:42] ** Beirdo slaps his mythbox with a trout **
[03:18:44] kazan: backend is using... it's not showing up on TOP most of the time
[03:18:52] Beirdo: stupid-ass backend
[03:19:12] Beirdo: if I load the listings in mythweb, the playback is skipping
[03:19:15] achew22: mos — could I have it span the local to the nfs?
[03:19:23] mos__: no
[03:19:24] achew22: only one nfs?
[03:19:25] feld: Beirdo: i love LVM. I can't live without it anymore.
[03:19:28] mos__: one or the other
[03:19:32] achew22: damn...
[03:19:34] achew22: thats frustrating
[03:19:39] kazan: why the fuck is it doing two transcode jobs at once when i've told it i only want one brackground job
[03:19:43] kazan: LVM = the bomb
[03:19:51] ** ShockValue sings the decemberists **
[03:19:52] achew22: not quite — I wish it could do more
[03:19:54] Beirdo: shit
[03:19:56] kazan: my storage array is 2x80GB lvmed
[03:20:00] Beirdo: mysql goes to 25% CPU
[03:20:04] Beirdo: WTF?!
[03:20:06] achew22: mos__ any tutorials on how play with lvm?
[03:20:16] mos__: we have a pvr350 here an 2 150s and a ~700GB LVM partition
[03:20:19] achew22: Beirdo, are you saving the cache to the db?
[03:20:28] Beirdo: the cache?!
[03:20:38] mos__: achew22, depends on the distro, consult its documentation
[03:20:52] achew22: Beirdo, the cache == the .mpg file that is beign recorded to
[03:20:59] achew22: its cache... don't deny it
[03:21:09] Beirdo: I'm not recording
[03:21:13] Beirdo: I'm playing back
[03:21:19] achew22: watching tv can rewind
[03:21:23] achew22: so its cached
[03:21:46] Beirdo: the files aren't stored in the database
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[03:21:52] mos__: brb
[03:21:58] achew22: i know — that was a proposal as to why it would take 25% cpu
[03:22:02] Beirdo: heh
[03:22:11] Beirdo: nah, just nasty-ass usage, I think
[03:22:24] achew22: ditch mysql and go for something cooler — like foxpro
[03:22:34] achew22: i'm sure that has some great optimization
[03:23:05] Beirdo: 86.87 queries per minute
[03:23:07] Beirdo: jeez
[03:23:28] achew22: whats it doing?
[03:23:42] Beirdo: all sorts of shit :)
[03:23:54] achew22: anyone want more info on how crappy foxpro is? check out wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxpro
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[03:23:57] feld: but why Beirdo
[03:24:18] Beirdo: and 7 connections by user mythtv
[03:25:14] Beirdo: and not a chance in HELL I'm turning on logging
[03:25:25] mishehu: bah.
[03:25:33] mishehu: be ir do.
[03:25:45] Beirdo: I may consider upgrading mysql to 4.0.x
[03:25:48] Beirdo: hehe
[03:25:48] achew22: Beirdo, I forgot to tell you that I was using your box remotely — sorry
[03:25:57] mishehu: Beirdo: joining up with 3 years ago?
[03:26:19] Beirdo: the huge history is likely biting my ass
[03:26:57] Blinkk: how does mythfrontend verbose mode work?
[03:27:00] mishehu: I only hope that soon the devs decide to make mysql 4.1.x or greater a requirement and start using prepared statements.
[03:27:09] achew22: Blinkk, run mythbackend --help
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[03:27:28] Beirdo: mishehu, hmm, maybe sometime
[03:27:55] Beirdo: SELECT program . * , UNIX_TIMESTAMP( program.starttime ) AS starttime_unix,
[03:27:59] Beirdo: hmmmm
[03:28:00] mishehu: xris: did you have any problems with the firewired dev constantly blocking on read?
[03:29:03] Beirdo: I think I might just punt this database over to my main server
[03:29:16] Beirdo: why run mysql on the PVR?
[03:29:36] mishehu: Beirdo: I designed a call logger for Freeswitch (donno if you heard about it, but it's some former asterisk devs and I that are writing a new system from scratch) that requires mysql 4.1 or better, does prepared statements, and works quite nicely only preparing the statement once and keeping it open until the switch is shutdown.
[03:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[03:30:25] feld: mishehu: never heard of it
[03:30:26] feld: interesting
[03:30:40] feld: i use asterisk in my VOIP class @ school
[03:30:46] feld: is FreeSwitch in a usable state right now?
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[03:30:56] Beirdo: how odd
[03:31:10] Beirdo: my main mysql server's getting twice the queries/sec as my PVR
[03:31:17] Beirdo: who woulda thunk it
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[03:31:51] Blinkk: NVP;;OpenFile(): Error, file not found; /home/mythtv/recordings/1028_20060413222835.mpg
[03:31:52] Blinkk: TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[03:32:06] Blinkk: thats what happens when i try to watch live tv
[03:32:11] mishehu: feld: depends on what you want to use it for
[03:32:57] feld: mishehu: i'll keep my eye on it, sounds like an up-and-coming project
[03:33:08] mishehu: feld: there's no vm yet, no support for digium hardware (but that's crap anyway, very inconsistent), and the CDR is still a work in progress (being done by me)
[03:33:17] Beirdo: woohoo
[03:33:24] Beirdo: frontend just segfaulted
[03:33:24] Beirdo: I win!
[03:34:20] mishehu: feld: but the nice thing is – we're using apr to do most of the low level stuff, so it alraedy runs on win32 and multiple *nixes
[03:34:36] mishehu: feld: stop by #freeswitch sometime if you want to know more.
[03:34:46] Beirdo: OK, I think I wanna break shit
[03:34:50] Beirdo: time to move my db
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[03:34:57] mishehu: Beirdo: I get crap out of my firewire, I win over you.
[03:35:37] Beirdo: good, nothing recording currently
[03:35:52] AlienBaby: anybody know what hi and si mean in top? CPU stuff..
[03:36:00] Beirdo: man top
[03:36:06] AlienBaby: no
[03:36:23] AlienBaby: I'm lazy and prefer this method..
[03:36:32] Beirdo: too bad
[03:37:02] mishehu: AlienBaby: instead you can waste twice as much effort asking us!
[03:37:12] Beirdo: ridicule is free :)
[03:37:32] AlienBaby: ya well.. I enjoy your company..
[03:37:42] feld: so let me get this straight
[03:37:47] AlienBaby: and I'm in a Fmaily Guy mood..
[03:37:49] Beirdo: this should be fun
[03:37:50] feld: you found it more intuitive to do a
[03:37:51] mishehu: AlienBaby: good thing, I've got gas tonight.
[03:37:55] feld: /join #mythtv-users
[03:37:57] feld: than to do a
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[03:37:58] feld: man top
[03:38:11] Beirdo: gonna mysqldump a huge database :)
[03:38:12] ** mishehu farts in AlienBaby's general direction. **
[03:38:20] mchou: better yet use htop
[03:38:23] mishehu: Beirdo: convert it to innodb
[03:38:24] mishehu: heh
[03:38:28] AlienBaby: I already did a man top. didn't see si or hi..
[03:38:32] mchou: way better than top
[03:38:38] Beirdo: hmm, I think I don't want innodb
[03:39:05] mishehu: oh being in here reminds me I have to renew my zap2it
[03:39:38] Beirdo: this should be fun.
[03:39:45] AlienBaby: so, any idea what si and hi are ? and why is MythTV's fastforward and rewind so inefficient?
[03:40:00] AlienBaby: mine is using alot of hi during fastforward..
[03:40:07] Beirdo: AlienBaby, research on google...
[03:40:16] AlienBaby: already done it..
[03:40:17] feld: lol this has to be a joke
[03:40:40] Beirdo: and because they were coded the way they are. if you can make it more efficient and can make acceptable patches, I bet the devs would be interested
[03:41:03] Blinkk: heres my output: http://pastebin.com/659000
[03:41:11] AlienBaby: how about stealing some code from mplayer?
[03:41:21] mchou: sheesh
[03:41:25] achew22: mos__, you said you have lvm setup? what distro are you running?
[03:41:26] Beirdo: I doubt they will find that patch acceptable
[03:42:24] mishehu: feld: btw, if you're really interested in voip, there's going to be a conference in chicago in aug.
[03:42:37] feld: mishehu: no kidding?
[03:42:39] mishehu: and it looks like you're not far away.
[03:42:42] feld: im like.. not far from CHI
[03:42:42] mishehu: feld: Cluecon
[03:42:51] mishehu: you're in madison I bet
[03:42:55] feld: near
[03:42:56] feld: yes
[03:43:08] mishehu: feld: yeah, http://www.cluecon.com
[03:43:12] achew22: if I reboot into a ubuntu livecd will /dev/Ubuntu (directory) be setup automaticly so that I can extend my lvm?
[03:43:23] mchou: what a terrible name for a conference
[03:43:26] mishehu: feld: I might be giving a presentation in fact.
[03:43:46] feld: mchou: Get a Clue!(con)
[03:43:49] mishehu: mchou: it's VoIP... this way you can say "cluephone ringing for <insert name here> in the hotel lobby..."
[03:43:50] mchou: mishehu: are attendees in need of clues?
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[03:44:32] mishehu: mchou: actually, nope, the folks that came last year came to learn, but they were clueful folks in general.
[03:45:17] mishehu: but if you need a clue you can come too ;-)
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[03:46:17] Blinkk: anyone look at my file?
[03:46:24] jnunez: any way to set actions to special keys in Multimedia Keyboards
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[03:46:38] feld: jnunez: yes
[03:46:45] feld: if i tell you i have to kill you though
[03:46:52] jnunez: lol
[03:46:56] feld: :D
[03:47:01] feld: hint: xbindkeys
[03:47:04] feld: start looking there
[03:47:10] jnunez: thanks
[03:47:14] feld: then you'll figure out how to map those odd keys to functions, other keys, etc
[03:47:19] Beirdo: hint: google
[03:47:37] achew22: DAMN ME NOT PUTTING A CDROM IN THIS COMPUTER!
[03:47:41] mishehu: hmm get this firewire working, then I might be able to actually configure my audigy remote...
[03:47:46] feld: achew22: who needs a cdrom anyway?
[03:47:53] achew22: people who want to boot from cd
[03:48:03] feld: i suppose then it might be useful
[03:48:07] AlienBaby: alright.. someone here has got to be less lazy than me.. si and hi. somebody..? come on.. google's not going to search itself..
[03:48:20] achew22: hi is a salutation
[03:48:29] mchou: AlienBaby: si means yes
[03:48:37] achew22: there you go
[03:49:04] mchou: AlienBaby: even Beirdo would know that one
[03:49:20] Beirdo: si senor
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[03:49:49] AlienBaby: in the context of a CPU, not a bad episode of Futurama
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[03:50:17] feld: AlienBaby: Error: Does Not Compute "bad episode of Futurama"
[03:50:36] achew22: WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME! I also put screws on the box so that it couldn't be opened easily
[03:50:45] feld: ahahahahahaha
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[03:51:29] feld: achew22: oh no! You forgot that you rigged a bomb to the case sensor! NOOOO! DONT OPEN THE CASE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[03:51:34] mchou: holy shit! cluecon cost $400??
[03:51:43] feld: mchou: i said that also. but more silently.
[03:51:54] mchou: what kind of bullshit is that??
[03:51:57] feld: that doesnt include the hotel cost
[03:52:16] mchou: feld: I meant just the conference cost
[03:52:18] feld: Ever heard of a Motel 6? assholes......
[03:52:22] feld: lol
[03:52:41] mchou: I pay $400 to listen to sales pitches? No thx
[03:53:01] feld: Like I need a plasma tv and wireless internet in my room when I'm gone all day
[03:53:14] feld: seriously, when am I going to find time to use bit torrent and whack off to plasma tv porn?
[03:53:22] mchou: lol
[03:53:39] mishehu: feld: motel 6 doesn't have internet
[03:53:42] mchou: plasma porn make zero sense
[03:54:03] mishehu: makes it kinda hard to bring in a group of nerds and geeks and not have internet.
[03:54:15] mishehu: mchou: it's not sales pitches
[03:54:19] mchou: you'd see blocks instead of breasts, for example
[03:54:28] feld: i guess there are people more nerdy than me and have it already squeezed in on their time management schedule (probably programmed in their watch and it bellows the Star Trek theme for each event)
[03:54:39] mishehu: mchou: it's all about development and implementation of common voip systems.
[03:54:59] mchou: mishehu: yeah whatever
[03:55:02] mishehu: last year we had bayonne, ser, asterisk, etc. covered.
[03:55:12] Beirdo: wow, MUCH faster
[03:55:13] Beirdo: heheh
[03:55:23] feld: I'll tell you what: It might be expensive as hell but Cisco Callmanager is pretty cool. Like plug and play, man. Auto updates phone firmware and software and all kinds of crazy crap.
[03:55:26] mchou: mishehu: sales pitches
[03:55:26] Beirdo: and no more glitchy playback
[03:55:48] mishehu: mchou: most of those are open source, what were they selling?
[03:55:56] dscoular: mishehu: is www.freeswitch.org down ?
[03:56:00] mchou: mishehu: that conference probably aint even good for f2f
[03:56:12] mishehu: dscoular: ugh, I hope not again, they were having some routing problems earlier today
[03:56:24] mishehu: mchou: f2f?
[03:56:37] mchou: face to face, aka networking
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[03:57:06] mchou: which is the primary value of conferences
[03:57:08] mishehu: mchou: donno, we had mark spencer, david sugar, and craig southeren there...
[03:57:40] achew22: who are those people?
[03:57:46] mishehu: mark spencer – asterisk, david sugar – bayonne, craig southeren – pwlib, opal, openh323, etc.
[03:57:51] feld: achew22: i dont know but they dont sound like Wayne Newton to me
[03:57:56] mchou: achew22: lol
[03:58:29] mchou: feld: and I get to see Wayne Newton for <$400 :)
[03:58:42] achew22: I don't know who Wayne Newton is....
[03:58:45] feld: mchou: right on the money
[03:58:49] achew22: mchou doesn't effect me much
[03:59:18] ** Klatuu growls **
[03:59:21] Klatuu: at mythtv
[03:59:30] feld: I'd might settle for 325 if they throw in an Elvis impersonator to tell me about Asterisk
[03:59:44] mchou: lol
[03:59:45] feld: and he _MUST_ sing his presentation
[03:59:46] mishehu: hey, I mentioned the conference in case you might find it interesting. you can have all the misconceptions you like about it, but realize that I don't earn a dime if you go or not, so I really don't care.
[03:59:49] Blinkk: so i look in the directory where i tell mythtv to store my videos, and the file that it says it cannot find is there
[03:59:54] achew22: Klatuu... thats not good... spontanious growling is a sign on rabies
[04:00:13] Klatuu: it's not really spontaneous
[04:00:20] mishehu: dscoular: I just pulled up www.freeswitch.org
[04:00:25] Klatuu: I always do this when I am attempting to get the tv part of mythtv to work
[04:00:31] achew22: ahh
[04:00:32] AlienBaby: Still can't find anything on hi and si....
[04:00:35] mchou: mishehu: our derision comes from the fact that these voip boyz take themselves so seriously to charrge $400
[04:00:42] achew22: AlienBaby look harder you fat lazy bukm
[04:00:45] achew22: bum*
[04:01:02] feld: mishehu: we're just fuckin around, calm down ;) If I had the cash and the _MAJOR_ interest in what they're discussing I'd seriously consider going. But I have no business to implement it in nor am I interested in the technical / programming side of it. It is really really nice that the open source community gets together like that.
[04:01:06] Klatuu: I have the ivtv part working fine
[04:01:07] mishehu: mchou: hotels in chicago, even motel 8's, aren't cheap.
[04:01:11] Klatuu: but mythtv is always another story
[04:01:21] mishehu: mchou: it costs a lot just for the facility.
[04:01:36] mchou: mishehu: so dont have it in chicago
[04:01:42] AlienBaby: How did you know what I look like?
[04:01:53] mchou: mishehu: quite frankly I dont see the "problem"
[04:01:55] mishehu: mchou: oh yeah! I have an idea! why don't we do it in a cornfield in iowa!
[04:01:59] AlienBaby: Are you watching me through the TV.. you in the govenment?
[04:02:13] AlienBaby: they can do that you know..
[04:02:15] mishehu: mchou: or how about your living room?
[04:02:19] feld: mishehu: Iowa is dangerous. I'll rent you farmland in Wisconsin though.
[04:02:25] mishehu: I don't see what that problem would be.  ;-)
[04:02:34] mishehu: feld: The Kow says Mu.
[04:02:36] mishehu: heh
[04:02:41] feld: MUUUU!
[04:02:44] mchou: mishehu: why tf would I want to host voip conference?
[04:02:47] mishehu: I know better than to walk in fields in wisconsin
[04:03:11] feld: mishehu: well yeah if you're wearing a cow costume you might get "pushed through the fence"
[04:03:22] dscoular: mishehu: no joy from Sydney... gets stuck at ag1–21.fr1.iad.llnw.net
[04:03:28] feld: otherwise our fields are pretty safe. lol
[04:03:29] mishehu: mchou: a) you obviously have NO interest in VoIP, b) why do you even bother commenting on it? It's like us talking about a medical conference on breast cancer treatment...
[04:03:44] ShockValue: hmm, this should be intersting. red bull and benedryl >:)
[04:03:49] mchou: mishehu: lol. I only worked on voip in a former life
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[04:04:04] Beirdo: mishehu, except we are interested in breast cancer research
[04:04:10] mishehu: dscoular: that's the routing issue that was there earlier today or yesterday. appearantly hasn't cleared out completely yet.
[04:04:12] feld: lol Beirdo !!!!!
[04:04:16] Klatuu:
[04:04:22] Klatuu: that is a better moo
[04:04:24] Beirdo: we don't want the boobs to go away
[04:04:27] mchou: having been in that industry I know those duded have an overly inflated opinion of themselves
[04:04:38] mchou: dudes*
[04:04:45] achew22: is there a way to tell LVM to use all the remaining space?
[04:04:47] Beirdo: seems you do too, mchou
[04:04:50] mishehu: Beirdo: no, you're interested in breasts, not a bunch of doctors talking in big medical terms about how to surgically or other method remove cancer from middle to elderly women's boobs.
[04:04:56] feld: ok hey guys i have a serious serious Linux question some of you immortals might have the answer to
[04:05:20] mishehu: feld: sometiems I wish I was immortal, but then I remember that means I'd have to pay taxes forever
[04:05:27] feld: what could possibly be the cause of bzip2 going nuts and raping my cpu @ 99% but getting no work done? (bzip2 hasnt been updated in quite a while)
[04:05:37] mchou: lol
[04:05:47] feld: this is data extraction
[04:05:58] mchou: bzip2 has some issues, iirc
[04:06:00] mishehu: feld: unless you nice it, when DOESN'T bzip2 suck the cpu down?  ;-)
[04:06:05] mchou: better update asap
[04:06:28] feld: mchou: it's the latest available and hasnt been updated in a few weeks
[04:06:30] dscoular: achew22: lvextend but I think you still have to tell it how many extents to add... lvdisplay should give you that
[04:06:42] achew22: okay... lets see
[04:07:07] Beirdo: vgdisplay will show the free extents in the VG
[04:07:44] dscoular: Doh! of course!
[04:07:50] mishehu: blargh, alright, let's see if this works now... motorola dct6200 -> firewire
[04:07:55] achew22: do youokay... so I should lvextend 186.30gb...
[04:08:07] achew22: wow — forgot to erase the 1st form of that — sorry
[04:08:40] dscoular: achew22: I would use extent counds rather than fractions of a gig.
[04:08:52] dscoular: achew22: s/counds/counts/
[04:09:04] achew22: where do I find the nubmer of counts?
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[04:09:41] dscoular: achew22: vgdisplay wiill show you the Total, Alloc and Free PE / Size
[04:09:47] mishehu: 2006-04–13 23:09:31.337 taking too long to be allowed to read..
[04:09:53] dscoular: achew22: a PE is a physical extent.
[04:10:07] achew22: ahh
[04:10:20] achew22: it says Free PE / Size 47694 / 186.30GB
[04:10:21] mishehu: jeezuz f. kryst, why on earth does this not want to read the firewire dev????
[04:10:44] mchou: mishehu: cause the content is protected?
[04:11:02] achew22: man lvextend
[04:11:07] achew22: oops — wrong window
[04:11:46] mishehu: mchou: it's not supposed to be.
[04:11:47] dscoular: okay so you could extend a logical volume using lvmextend -l +47694 LogicalVolumePath
[04:11:50] mishehu: it's on comedy central
[04:12:04] Beirdo: I personally would leave space for other uses :)
[04:12:07] Beirdo: but that's just me
[04:12:16] mishehu: the firewire is supposed to be free and clear
[04:12:16] achew22: yeah right — this computer is really just a big file dump
[04:12:26] mishehu: xris is on cumcast too and his works fine.
[04:12:36] mchou: mishehu: says who???
[04:12:39] Beirdo: no, I mean... like in case you wanna add space for mp3s later or some such shit
[04:12:51] achew22: just make a folder in the filesystem
[04:12:55] achew22: do it the windows way....
[04:13:20] mishehu: mchou: what does the law state about cable boxes with hdtv support?
[04:13:31] mishehu: isn't it supposed to have a free and clear firewire on it?
[04:13:38] mchou: mishehu: ever heard of DTCP/5C?
[04:13:38] mishehu: I could swear that's what it says.
[04:13:51] mishehu: mchou: PCMCIA.
[04:13:58] mchou: mishehu: go read it again
[04:14:03] mishehu: people can't memorize computer industry acronyms
[04:15:58] ShockValue: wtf? afaik, they can.
[04:16:40] mishehu: mchou: myth can change the channel when mythbackend starts up, but then I can't do anything when I do "watch tv". it won't even let me change the channel. if the signal is protected is it not supposed to at least spit out static?
[04:17:57] achew22: alright — now I have a 450gb drive in this computer and 2 free ide slots
[04:18:06] achew22: lets see what I can find around the house to make it even bigger
[04:18:13] achew22: my goal — 2TB
[04:18:49] mchou: mishehu: http://www.dtcp.com/data/wp_spec.pdf
[04:18:53] Klatuu: 2006-04–13 21:18:14.344 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[04:18:55] dscoular: achew22: but no redundancy ?
[04:18:57] Klatuu: what does that mean?
[04:19:13] Klatuu: that's what I see when I try to start LiveTV
[04:19:21] achew22: dscoular does it matter — I have been computering for my entire life and I have only had 1 disk go bad.... its just TV and my backups
[04:20:01] mishehu: mchou: without reading 15 pages of "make your already fried brain cook even more" tech docs, isn't this this what is required of hdmi?
[04:20:15] Beirdo: achew22, this will be the time for one to die and take everything out :)
[04:20:24] mchou: mishehu: huh??
[04:20:24] achew22: yep...
[04:20:32] achew22: Beirdo I shouldn't tempt fate
[04:20:44] mishehu: mchou: hdmi enforces some sort of a "content protection" scheme. is this the one?
[04:20:46] mishehu: the dctp
[04:20:46] achew22: current project for my house — move the computers out of my bedroom now that its summer I don't want their heat
[04:20:56] dscoular: achew22: yes, I'm guilty of the same kinda "no redundancy" set up.
[04:20:58] mishehu: s/dctp/dtcp
[04:21:02] mchou: mishehu: no. that's orthogonal
[04:21:05] achew22: dscoular — ha
[04:21:09] Beirdo: I risked it until a month or so ago
[04:21:16] dscoular: achew22: precisely!
[04:21:19] Beirdo: now I have RAID5 with LVM on top
[04:21:33] achew22: Beirdo wow...
[04:21:38] achew22: how much room did you sacrafice for that?
[04:21:38] dscoular: Beirdo: that makes sense.
[04:21:44] mishehu: mchou: basically I don't think this is the problem. I can *sometimes* get video on channel 3, which is one of the local access channels I think.
[04:21:50] mishehu: no audio, but video.
[04:22:04] dscoular: achew22: 1 disk methinks for RAID5.
[04:22:05] Beirdo: I went from 920G in my LVM to 900G
[04:22:19] Beirdo: as I bought 4 300G SATA drives
[04:22:23] achew22: really? how did oyu manage that?
[04:22:36] mchou: mishehu: there's a reason you get locals and not "others"
[04:23:10] dscoular: Beirdo: 4 x 300 = ~1200 last time I looked for JBOD.
[04:23:16] mishehu: mchou: I should be getting audio though.
[04:23:18] mishehu: and I don't.
[04:23:21] Beirdo: that's not what I had before
[04:23:28] SlicerDicer-: xris: I got mythtv going in my kitchen :)
[04:23:42] mishehu: mchou: and I only got the video 1 of 4 trials
[04:24:27] Blinkk: http://pastebin.com/659000
[04:24:34] dscoular: SlicerDicer: I wish myth could realtime transcode video to the frontend just like vlc can... then my crappy 802.11b net would let me use myth in my kitched ;)
[04:25:04] dscoular: SlicerDicer: s/kitched/kitchen/
[04:25:21] SlicerDicer-: dscoular: I do wired hehe
[04:25:23] SlicerDicer-: wireless blows
[04:25:33] dscoular: SlicerDicer: Not with vlc.
[04:25:35] SlicerDicer-: I crawl under the carpet
[04:28:19] mchou: mishehu: in fact I believe SlicerDicer- is an expert on firewire, if I'm not mistaken :)
[04:28:44] SlicerDicer-: mchou: well I am about to attempt to fix mine and then daisy chain it :)
[04:28:51] SlicerDicer-: doing multiple boxes via firewire
[04:28:51] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[04:28:52] mchou: he got comcast to give him a firewire enabled box :)
[04:28:55] dscoular: firewire in the kitchen sounds dangerous ;)
[04:29:01] SlicerDicer-: mchou: all of them are apparently
[04:29:21] mchou: dscoular: only if you cook with gas
[04:29:30] dscoular: mchou: I wish
[04:29:35] SlicerDicer-: haha dscoular
[04:29:39] SlicerDicer-: its not firewire in the kitchen
[04:29:45] ShockValue: crap.. i only have 6G free on my audio server :(
[04:29:47] ** SlicerDicer- thwaps him on the head **
[04:30:06] dscoular: SlicerDicer: was only joshing
[04:30:12] SlicerDicer-: ;-)
[04:30:52] SlicerDicer-: but yeah I am going to attempt to do a daisy chain... apparently you can do that with up to 64 devices so I am going to do 2 for now and maybe 3
[04:31:28] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you get ALL channels over firewire on your box?
[04:31:36] SlicerDicer-: sure and so does xris
[04:31:43] ShockValue: whats a good show i could watch that's broadcast in HD?
[04:31:53] SlicerDicer-: ShockValue: lost?
[04:31:55] mchou: even in 1080i?
[04:31:58] SlicerDicer-: mchou: yep
[04:32:04] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nice
[04:32:13] SlicerDicer-: what is broadcast in 1080i anyway
[04:32:17] ShockValue: lost? havent heard of that
[04:32:18] SlicerDicer-: I mean not all things are you know
[04:32:30] ** SlicerDicer- beats ShockValue with Mr. Eko's Jesus Stick **
[04:32:32] mchou: SlicerDicer-: yeah, that's what I meant
[04:32:53] SlicerDicer-: ShockValue: google that quote :)
[04:32:54] Blinkk: i guess ill come back later when someone is here that wants to help
[04:33:13] SlicerDicer-: or part of it anyway hehe
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[04:33:57] ShockValue: blinkk – does your myth user have write permissions to /home/mythtv/recordings/  ?
[04:34:07] SlicerDicer-: but yeah ShockValue Lost is a great show on ABC
[04:34:26] ShockValue: would i be totally ... lost.. starting in this late?
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[04:35:17] SlicerDicer-: ShockValue: rent the first season via blockbuster :)
[04:35:38] Blinkk: drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv users 59 Apr 13 23:31 recordings
[04:35:40] ShockValue: netflix :)
[04:35:43] SlicerDicer-: whatever
[04:35:45] SlicerDicer-: its all the same
[04:35:57] ShockValue: everything looks better via netflix.
[04:36:11] SlicerDicer-: unless you have HD
[04:36:21] ShockValue: oh thats true..
[04:36:24] SlicerDicer-: then everything from netflix looks like shit
[04:36:25] SlicerDicer-: lol
[04:36:31] ShockValue: forgot about that part :)
[04:37:01] dtm: SlicerDicer-: okay, rainman!
[04:37:47] SlicerDicer-: I cant count toothpicks you insensitive clod ;-)
[04:37:51] dtm: you're goin into "hot water burn baby" mode whenever you theorize that a software scaler may have been activated? you countin pixels?
[04:38:29] dtm: you must have no faith in your scaler and video filters!
[04:38:39] dtm: ALL HAIL THE HQDN3D!!
[04:39:03] feld: HOT WATER BURN THE BABY!
[04:39:08] feld: BABY LIKE TEA
[04:39:10] dtm: mplayer -vf spp=6,hqdn3d -sws 9 dvd:// <-- pr0 m0d3 pwn4g3
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[04:41:06] SlicerDicer-: hello feld
[04:41:25] feld: Hello Clarice
[04:41:38] feld: </Silence of the Lambs>
[04:41:42] adipate: it puts the lotion on its skin
[04:41:46] achew22: no
[04:41:47] achew22: please no
[04:41:50] feld: hey hey guess what
[04:41:58] achew22: I had the shittiest lab partner who used to say that all the tiem
[04:41:58] feld: the guy that was Buffalo Bill in that movie
[04:42:04] feld: he's in The Hills Have Eyes
[04:42:07] feld: that new horror flick
[04:42:11] feld: same voice
[04:42:13] feld: it's amusing.
[04:42:26] Blinkk: see thats the part thats baffling me, the permissions are fine, and i look in that dir, and it makes that .mpg file as well but its 0 bytes
[04:43:01] achew22: redo your mythtv-setup
[04:43:22] Blinkk: and change what?
[04:43:34] achew22: just delete your card settings and then try it again
[04:43:38] Blinkk: ok
[04:43:41] ShockValue: Blinkk can you get video by dumping /dev/video (or whatever yours is called) to a file and playing it?
[04:43:43] achew22: that has fixed my problems too many times to leave it alone
[04:43:59] achew22: Blinkk cat /dev/videoX >> ~/test.mpg
[04:44:03] ShockValue: ok.. mercury rev = sonic youth... <yawn>
[04:45:00] achew22: who was it who was amazing with LVM — when I do lvdisplay it says the thing called root is 418.22G but when I do df -h it says that / (which is hte lvm) is only 229gb
[04:45:19] SlicerDicer-: xris: are you around?
[04:45:43] xris: barely
[04:45:58] xris: slaving in the kitchen prepping for going camping tomorrow
[04:46:01] dscoular: achew22: You haven't resized your filesystem... that's a whole other ball of wax.
[04:46:01] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[04:46:06] SlicerDicer-: alright xris have fun :)
[04:46:12] achew22: NOOOO!!!
[04:46:14] xris: what's up?
[04:46:17] achew22: I hate balls of wax
[04:46:30] dscoular: achew22: They are chewy with goodness ;)
[04:46:31] achew22: it reminds me of that terrible movie about the wax people
[04:47:06] achew22: the one where paris gets a plolearm in the face
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[04:47:47] dscoular: achew22: might be easier to lvresize back down and create an new lv and a new fs. Extending a root logical volume can be a pain.
[04:47:54] SlicerDicer-: xris: check pvt msg plz
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[04:49:53] mchou: SlicerDicer-: which STB do you have from comcast?
[04:51:39] SlicerDicer-: eh mchou
[04:52:11] mchou: SlicerDicer-: what set top box
[04:52:21] SlicerDicer-: ohh both boxes
[04:52:25] SlicerDicer-: the DVR one and the normal
[04:52:28] mishehu: ugh.
[04:52:37] mishehu: I still am not getting any audio.
[04:52:39] mchou: what's the "normal" one
[04:52:46] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ^^
[04:53:05] achew22: dscoular: can I use resize2fs to resize an ext3 setup?
[04:53:06] mishehu: SlicerDicer: what are you doing with firewire? motorola 6200?
[04:54:08] SlicerDicer-: mchou: the 6200 and the 3120 or whatever the dvr one is
[04:54:19] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: yeah
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[04:54:54] dscoular: achew22: I don't think you can for root. You might have some luck booting a live CD and resizing.
[04:55:01] SlicerDicer-: I am still going to hang on to my special rs232 box incase comcast decides to shut me off hehe but otherwise it will be going all firewire
[04:55:05] mishehu: SlicerDicer: 0.18.1 or 0.19 ? and are you getting audio as well as video?
[04:55:05] achew22: i'm going to do that now...
[04:55:12] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: 19
[04:55:22] SlicerDicer-: yeah sure it works fine when it wants too
[04:55:29] SlicerDicer-: thats what I am aiming to fix
[04:55:56] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: half the time you ugetting just a steady pulse of random noise?
[04:56:08] SlicerDicer-: no it gives me nothing haha
[04:56:22] SlicerDicer-: I am going to redo it today or tommrow and figure out the root of the problem
[04:56:33] SlicerDicer-: give me time and you will have answers :)
[04:56:37] SlicerDicer-: bother me say on sunday
[04:56:48] SlicerDicer-: I think its 64bit causing issues
[04:56:57] SlicerDicer-: as I run full 64bit mythbackend
[04:57:13] mishehu: slicedicer: donno about that... I'm on 32bit
[04:57:29] SlicerDicer-: well xris has it working fine mishehu
[04:57:29] dscoular: achew22: maybe glance over this first: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3- . . . -with-parted
[04:57:35] mishehu: I managed to get video on local channels 2 of 3 times now.
[04:57:39] SlicerDicer-: so its got to be something in my settings or 64bit
[04:57:43] mishehu: but never any audio.
[04:58:10] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: not sure why it would not give audi
[04:58:12] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: yeah, I know, that's why I ran out and replaced my ooooolllld digital cable box.
[04:58:13] SlicerDicer-: audio rather
[04:58:36] SlicerDicer-: maybe up your bandwith in mythtv-settings to 200mb or something
[04:59:20] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: I also thought according to what he said that I could get any channel I subscribe to (which is just the standard digital cable package w/o premium stations) on firewire.
[04:59:26] chupacabra: sheet this new mythtv box is a p2 350 with a tiny vid card. I don't think its gonna work.
[05:00:10] mishehu: which would have saved me hassles with lirc and having to get additional tuners... as it is my newer motorola box doesn't seem to like to pick up the code for 0 on the ir.
[05:00:48] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: it should work
[05:01:38] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: mchou thinks cumcast is being a typical bunch of assholes and only giving local broadcast channels free and clear on the firewire.
[05:02:05] dscoular: achew22: this is probably a better thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/200 . . . sg00034.html
[05:02:22] dscoular: achew22: caveats about backups et al.
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[05:09:26] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: just a thought, I'm configuring 0.19 for build now... there's appearantly some option for dts passthru. I don't konw if that also does a52/ac3 but perhaps on firewire it's passing all audio thru as an a52 stream
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[05:11:42] mishehu: hmm looks like it's specifically dts.
[05:11:48] mishehu: not general a52.
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[05:12:07] Beirdo: what, no kormoc? slacker
[05:19:22] ** mishehu yawns. **
[05:20:10] ** Beirdo considers upgrading to a Geforce 6600 **
[05:20:13] SlicerDicer-: I am not sure mishehu it just worked for me
[05:20:19] SlicerDicer-: Beirdo: why?
[05:20:49] SlicerDicer-: Beirdo: yeah kormoc is slacking these days
[05:21:15] Beirdo: because I want to be able to do HDTV after I move
[05:21:31] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: you said it works when it wants to... sounds like that's sporadic to me...
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[05:21:56] mishehu: or did I misunderstand?
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[05:27:01] mchou: SlicerDicer-: what cable package do you subscribe to?
[05:27:31] mchou: SlicerDicer-: like do you get "Digital Silver" or ?
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[05:34:07] Beirdo: playing SD is taking 80% CPU (at 1.4x) on this Sempron
[05:34:29] Beirdo: need to remove the ATI card and start using xvmc, I think
[05:36:25] mchou: Beirdo: what's the sempron rating?
[05:36:44] Beirdo: 2800+
[05:37:02] Beirdo: 48.7% for X
[05:37:11] Beirdo: 29.6% for mythfrontend
[05:37:21] Beirdo: 1.1% for mythbackend
[05:37:25] mchou: hmm, that doesnt sound right
[05:37:28] Beirdo: 5.7% for network
[05:37:45] mchou: 80% for SD
[05:37:50] Beirdo: (included in the above)...
[05:38:09] Beirdo: this is at 1.4x, but it's right
[05:38:22] Beirdo: ATI 9600 Pro
[05:39:34] SlicerDicer-: mchou: top top tier cable package
[05:40:08] mchou: SlicerDicer-: how much is that /mo ?
[05:40:37] Beirdo: of course, this isn't 30fps, this is like 42fps
[05:42:16] achew22: dscoular: much sucess — resize2fs is running and resizing to the expected size of 418g. Thankyou very much
[05:43:02] mchou: Beirdo: I dunno what's going on, I have 2600+, playing SD @1.4X takes 38% CPU (no xvmc)
[05:43:17] Beirdo: what type of card
[05:43:53] mchou: you mean vid card?
[05:43:55] Beirdo: yes
[05:43:59] mchou: 5700
[05:44:03] Beirdo: right
[05:44:12] Beirdo: this isn't nvidia here
[05:44:24] mchou: I'm not using xvmc though
[05:44:35] Beirdo: the drivers are different (duh)
[05:44:35] Chicago: how many megabytes should I plan on for a 1/2 hour of beautifully transcoded video from a hauppauge-150 into xvid?
[05:44:47] mchou: so it shouldnt be that different in CPU util
[05:44:53] Beirdo: yes it should
[05:45:10] Beirdo: the ATI drivers and the nvidia drivers are significantly different
[05:45:13] mchou: Beirdo: if that's the case then ATI sux ballz
[05:45:16] mchou: :)
[05:45:30] mchou: crappy HW and crappy drivers
[05:45:36] Beirdo: better hardware
[05:45:40] Beirdo: crappier drivers
[05:45:40] mchou: from those canucks
[05:46:23] Beirdo: eat me, yank :)
[05:46:29] mchou: those drivers must be spinning te cpu to double CPU util
[05:46:37] mchou: the*
[05:46:40] Beirdo: likely
[05:47:10] Beirdo: and I'm pretty sure that the AGP stuff still doesn't work right
[05:47:17] Beirdo: not that I care, this works
[05:47:29] mchou: and I'm running this in kde (a hogg)
[05:47:47] mchou: not some lightweight wm
[05:48:00] dscoular: achew22: thanks me when you know it's worked and your data is intact.
[05:48:17] Beirdo: the wm doesn't usually use too much CPU when covered by a fullscreen window
[05:48:29] Beirdo: KDE uses buttloads of RAM though
[05:48:32] mchou: true that
[05:49:00] Beirdo: commercials can eat me too
[05:49:20] mchou: I'm tried of this mandriva bullshit
[05:49:32] Beirdo: so get a real distro
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[05:49:50] mchou: they use to be bleeding edge, now they are way behind the times
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[05:50:29] mchou: I dont relish upgrading my home cluster
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[05:51:14] achew22: dscoular: 0 data loss, system boots... thankyou
[05:52:06] achew22: only weird thing is that the drive is 4gb smaller than I thought it would end up being....
[05:52:16] achew22: ohh wait — I have 4gb of files on the drive... STUPID ME
[05:52:17] mchou: some dude tried to install from mandriva live cd and the cd proceeded to format all his HDD, including those attached via USB
[05:52:45] mchou: no warning, no verification
[05:53:09] mchou: now that's just spectacular
[05:53:42] Beirdo: craptacular even
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[05:54:28] achew22: Beirdo you said you have a raid 5 that is 900gb whats your setup like?
[05:54:56] Beirdo: huh?
[05:55:02] dscoular: achew22: grin ;)
[05:55:03] Chicago: how many megabytes should I plan on for a 1/2 hour of beautifully transcoded video from a hauppauge-150 into xvid?
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[05:55:06] achew22: didn't you say you had 900gb of space
[05:55:16] achew22: dscoular can I bear your children?
[05:55:18] Beirdo: I have an Adaptec SATA RAID-5 card
[05:55:24] Beirdo: with 4 300G Seagates
[05:55:39] achew22: okay — so 1 is devoted to redundancy?
[05:55:40] dscoular: achew22: hmm...
[05:55:40] Beirdo: in a RAID5, LVM running on top
[05:55:49] Beirdo: not precisely
[05:56:04] Beirdo: the parity is striped across the drives
[05:56:11] Chicago: Beirdo: did you ever use BSD based geom for disk based encryption?
[05:56:16] Beirdo: no
[05:56:28] Beirdo: why would I encrypt my disks?
[05:56:33] Chicago: it looks really cool... plain text never reaches the platter of the drive
[05:56:45] mchou: Beirdo: http://forum.mandrivaclub.com/viewtopic.php?t . . . f7af73c62709
[05:56:47] dscoular: Beirdo: wouldn't it be RAID3 if the parity wasn't striped across the drives ? :)
[05:57:13] Beirdo: RAID5 stripes the parity too
[05:57:20] Chicago: Beirdo: even if you don't need encryption... you at least get an extra layer of error correction on your data when you use it.
[05:57:28] Beirdo: bah
[05:57:32] Beirdo: no need
[05:57:33] dscoular: Beirdo: RAID5 only stripes parity by definition ;)
[05:57:45] achew22: ooh! is there a way to encrypt your hard drive?
[05:58:01] Chicago: Why do my transcoded xvid videos look like preschool video?
[05:58:05] dscoular: achew22: yes, but you take a performance hit.
[05:58:20] achew22: how bad?
[05:59:01] dscoular: achew22: google for FUSE, encFS and friends... I don't know myself. sorry
[05:59:37] Beirdo: google for "why bother?"
[05:59:51] achew22: I could devote a 80gb drive to it I guess... keep my illegal stuff on there and not have to wrry bout it
[06:00:26] Chicago: achew22: there's only 160 people in the channel and who knows how many corporate bots recording you not worrying about illegal stuff.
[06:00:29] Chicago: =)
[06:00:36] achew22: its only porn
[06:00:40] Chicago: lol
[06:00:43] Beirdo: google is watching
[06:00:46] achew22: illegal in the eyes of god
[06:00:48] achew22: thats what I ment
[06:00:53] achew22: ;)
[06:00:55] Chicago: Beirdo: which bot is google?
[06:01:04] achew22: he puts the logs online
[06:01:11] achew22: google spyders his siote
[06:01:12] achew22: site*
[06:01:22] Beirdo: google scrapes the channel logs
[06:01:35] Chicago: Beirdo: so they don't yet actively sit in a channel?
[06:01:41] achew22: wow — that was the most pathetic typo ridden string ever
[06:01:43] achew22: Chicago nope
[06:01:50] Beirdo: not that I've ever heard of
[06:01:52] achew22: its Beirdo's fault we are going to be put on google
[06:01:57] Chicago: lol
[06:02:21] Chicago: I posted to the mythtv-users mailing list... and then in 2 days I was top pagerank for the string "mythstreamweb"
[06:02:22] Beirdo: blame it on the incessant dumbasses who made us want to log it so people can read the logs
[06:02:45] mchou: Beirdo: there is an easy way to solve that
[06:02:59] achew22: kill them?
[06:03:08] mchou: just make sure all logs dont get spidered
[06:03:13] Beirdo: yeah, disconnect from IRC and let the wankers figure it out.
[06:03:19] Beirdo: we WANT them spidered
[06:03:22] achew22: robots.txt
[06:03:32] Beirdo: google is our friend
[06:03:33] mchou: achew22: exactly
[06:03:34] Chicago: mchou: over the coming weeks and months, we should have an easier way to check what's wrong with peoples' setups.... then they won't care about the logs.
[06:03:54] achew22: how do you plan on setting htat up?
[06:04:14] Chicago: achew22: just always be afraid of bad faqs/howtos
[06:04:22] achew22: !search kill
[06:04:43] achew22: wow... kill has a ranking of 52
[06:04:44] Chicago: achew22: when new documentation pops up.. people don't have the problems they had before
[06:04:52] achew22: ah
[06:04:57] Beirdo: hah
[06:05:08] Beirdo: like people are smart enough to read docs
[06:05:28] achew22: whatever — it teaches men how to ask questions
[06:05:32] Chicago: achew22: I really wish I can get a full svn deployment on gentoo finished... then make the ebuild available... that will be a great start.
[06:05:48] achew22: isn't .19 finished — ebuild wize
[06:05:51] Beirdo: Chicago, talk to Cardoe
[06:06:06] Chicago: Cardoe hasn't been in this channel that I've seen in long time.
[06:06:15] Beirdo: !seen Cardoe
[06:06:15] MythLogBot: Cardoe is here and has been idle for 6 hours 57 minutes 12 seconds
[06:06:36] Chicago: cool LogBot
[06:06:37] Beirdo: !trout achew22
[06:06:37] ** MythLogBot slaps achew22 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[06:06:40] Beirdo: :)
[06:06:46] Chicago: hehe
[06:06:49] achew22: :D
[06:06:54] achew22: i love trout
[06:07:01] achew22: guess what it reminds me of
[06:07:14] Beirdo: I HATE commercials
[06:07:48] achew22: !seen god
[06:07:48] MythLogBot: god has not been seen here
[06:07:57] achew22: wow
[06:08:00] achew22: just wow
[06:08:00] Chicago: Well... anyhow... I had mythtv emerged on gentoo... which was version .19.1 something... but with the svn 9670 or something like that... I have included mythstream and mythburn... and almost have it satisfactory. I would like to at a minimum host an ebuild for other gentoo people... it runs rather nice
[06:08:30] achew22: Chicago as near as I could tell when I was on gentoo the ebuilds were just scripts that people had written...
[06:09:03] achew22: why not write a script that required subversion — then gets the svn release of mythtv then does su -; ./configure --enable-all;make; make install?
[06:09:08] Chicago: achew22: there is a 3 year old thread at bugzilla.gentoo.org about the mythtv ebuild regarding how it will never be a live svn ebuild..
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[06:09:23] Beirdo: and it shouldn't ever be
[06:09:32] Chicago: achew22: the maintainer has a point...
[06:09:33] Beirdo: if you want current SVN, just use SVN
[06:09:45] achew22: who said anything about using bleeding edge?
[06:09:48] Beirdo: packaging live SVN is retarded
[06:09:50] Chicago: But as long as I use mythtv everyday... and keep it stable enough to keep using... I think it should be distributed.
[06:10:00] robbins876: I'm in SuSE... i'm reading a guide for installing mythTV on SuSE and it mentions something about ivtfwextract to extract the firmware from my driver CD for my hauppauge pvr-150
[06:10:13] Beirdo: it IS distributed... using SVN
[06:10:17] robbins876: what am i supposed to do here? is ivtfwextract a progream i have to download, because I can't find it on Yast
[06:10:21] Chicago: robbins876: the firmware drivers are on your CD from hauppauge too..
[06:10:26] dscoular: packaging SVN... how dumb would that be!
[06:10:37] achew22: Chicago when I was on gentoo — I ran sudo emegre mythtv (of course after getting sudo) and it installed .19
[06:10:55] robbins876: chicago, yeah, i but how do i extract them using that ivtfwextract... or do i even need to use that?
[06:11:03] Chicago: dscoular: I'd rather package patches to unofficial plugins... against current svn.
[06:11:21] Beirdo: current svn is often busted
[06:11:22] achew22: god damnit! people cant read docs for programs
[06:11:26] Beirdo: that's the joy of SVN
[06:11:26] Chicago: robbins876: don't need it... just put the firmware in the correct modules directory.
[06:11:44] robbins876: where is the firmware on the disc? I serisouly appologize, this is my second day running linux
[06:11:52] achew22: when is .20 expected?
[06:11:59] Chicago: Only dead SVN for me this week was mythbrowser.... how about you guys?
[06:12:09] Anduin: achew22: It isn't, one day it simply will be.
[06:12:10] Beirdo: achew22, likely when it is ready.
[06:12:18] Chicago: robbins876: take your time
[06:12:20] achew22: no release schedule?
[06:12:22] Beirdo: no
[06:12:27] Chicago: robbins876: lookup the ivtv website...
[06:12:28] Beirdo: there has never been one
[06:12:30] achew22: ohh
[06:12:32] achew22: didn't know that
[06:12:34] Chicago: robbins876: it is documented in detail there.
[06:12:44] ** Beirdo slaps achew22 with the channel FAQ **
[06:12:49] achew22: lol
[06:12:58] robbins876: is ivtv the same thing as ivyTV?
[06:13:19] Beirdo: we will know about 0.20's release date likely about 1 week before it's released
[06:13:23] achew22: Beirdo why is myth recording some shows in .nuv form?
[06:13:45] Beirdo: because that's the format it uses for software encoding
[06:13:59] achew22: I have pvr-150/250s though
[06:14:05] achew22: thats hardware
[06:14:07] Beirdo: and I bet you transcode then
[06:14:09] Chicago: Beirdo: achew22: I don't know if this is too personal a question for IRC... but what's your transcode configuration? I want the video deinterlaced before it is xvid...
[06:14:20] achew22: how is that personal?
[06:14:28] Beirdo: I don't transcode my video. Get more disk :)
[06:14:32] Chicago: seceret reciepe
[06:14:36] achew22: ohh
[06:14:39] achew22: i went with default
[06:14:40] achew22: everything
[06:14:44] achew22: its working well for me atm
[06:14:49] Beirdo: when I do, I use nuvexport and do it externally
[06:15:01] achew22: lol — Beirdo has the right way of doing things
[06:15:07] Chicago: Beirdo: seeings as how mtd is on my todo list... I want the transcoder to kick ass... I have plenty of diskspace.
[06:15:30] Beirdo: transcoding is a flaming waste of CPU much of the time
[06:15:34] achew22: god damnit... why did I decide it would be fun to devote the entire night to moving files accross the network...
[06:15:40] Beirdo: unless you REALLY need it transcoded of course
[06:15:48] achew22: Beirdo what if you want a DVD
[06:15:54] Beirdo: then I make a DVD
[06:15:55] Chicago: Beirdo: I really would like distributed transcoding...
[06:16:05] Beirdo: I record at DVD resolution and bitrates
[06:16:11] Beirdo: it simply needs a remux
[06:16:16] achew22: 720X???
[06:16:21] Chicago: Cinelerra does decent distributed transcoding.... but I have to do it manually.
[06:16:26] achew22: whats the bitrate?
[06:16:27] Beirdo: 720x480 for NTSC
[06:16:45] Beirdo: 4Mbit-9Mbit is normal DVD rates
[06:16:50] Beirdo: I record at 6mbit
[06:16:56] Beirdo: Mbit rather
[06:16:57] achew22: how big are your files?
[06:17:01] Beirdo: 2G/hr
[06:17:07] achew22: wow thats not bad
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[06:17:16] Beirdo: 6 megabit/s
[06:17:32] Beirdo: you can calculate filesize per hour directly from that
[06:17:40] Beirdo: 2.2G I think to be more accurate
[06:17:45] achew22: thats what I get now
[06:18:06] Beirdo: for lower bitrate, I go to 352x480
[06:18:08] achew22: ubisoft is dropping their current copy protection scheme... thats exciting
[06:18:15] Beirdo: which is also a valid DVD resolution
[06:18:24] Beirdo: who cares?
[06:18:30] Chicago: seriously though... I've been through the whole divx 3.11 generation with smart-bitrate 2-pass encoding... and all of that work until the video is done.... what's it going to take to make a good 1/2 hour episode of the simpsons look great fullscreen at about 50–100 megabytes???
[06:18:33] Beirdo: we aren't pirates :)
[06:19:00] Beirdo: hahah
[06:19:08] Beirdo: good luck with that...
[06:19:11] Chicago: Beirdo: or an hour of CNN lunchtime...
[06:19:15] Chicago: doesn't matter to me
[06:19:19] robbins876: ok, so i'm going to download the new ivtv from this site
[06:19:23] robbins876: it's a tar.gz
[06:19:23] Beirdo: Ewwww.. CNN?!
[06:19:30] Chicago: Or MSNBC
[06:19:33] robbins876: is there an easy way to do this? wget or something?
[06:19:56] Beirdo: propaganda networks. A fine use of disk space.
[06:20:10] Beirdo: robbins876, yes, wget should do the trick nicely
[06:20:22] robbins876: then once it's downloaded what do i do?
[06:20:40] robbins876: tar tkck or something "file name"
[06:20:44] Beirdo: I would imagine reading their documentation might be a good start
[06:20:46] Chicago: I want to download less than 250megabytes for a 1/2 hour of video...when I use mythweb. because my internet stream sends out at about 85KB/sec... so... if I can get a half hour of video looking great at about 100–200 megabytes... than I can send it faster then I watch it... and can then therefore buffer it and watch it on demand.
[06:21:00] robbins876: i just don't know how tars work, man
[06:21:04] Beirdo: oooh
[06:21:10] Beirdo: tar xzvf file.tar.gz
[06:21:14] Beirdo: man tar :)
[06:21:25] robbins876: tar's are such an alien concept from windows
[06:21:27] robbins876: you know?
[06:21:39] robbins876: what do the xzvf do?
[06:21:43] Beirdo: Chicago, you really shouldn't stream video out to the world...
[06:21:50] Beirdo: man tar :)
[06:22:02] Chicago: Beirdo: .htaccess .htpasswds https.... what else can I do? VPN?
[06:22:16] Beirdo: x extracts, z decompresses, v is verbose, f file.tar.gz tells it where the file is
[06:22:30] Beirdo: Chicago, you can watch it at home like you are supposed to? :)
[06:22:43] Chicago: Beirdo: I want to watch it on a cell phone. :)
[06:22:53] Beirdo: jeez
[06:22:59] Chicago: Beirdo: we get 150KB/sec on cell phone networks in Chicago.
[06:23:43] robbins876: k, it's extracted... do i need to do anything else?
[06:23:47] Beirdo: jeez, will the sirens ever end?
[06:23:53] Beirdo: I hate downtown
[06:24:08] Chicago: robbins876: did you read the faq at Chris's website?
[06:24:14] Beirdo: robbins876, read their documentation, I'm sure it tells you what to do
[06:24:41] robbins876: k
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[06:25:14] Beirdo: Oooh, the Blue Jays get to kick some White Sox ass tomorrow
[06:25:45] Chicago: Beirdo: good. I'm a Cubs fan . :)
[06:25:55] Beirdo: hehe
[06:26:09] Beirdo: been a Jays fan since 83 or so...
[06:26:18] Beirdo: when I was 10ish
[06:26:27] Chicago: Cool.
[06:26:31] Chicago: I was born a Cubs fan.
[06:26:39] Chicago: Sox fans suck.
[06:26:39] Beirdo: and may soon decide to be a Marlins fan too
[06:26:49] Beirdo: as they will be my local-ish team
[06:27:10] Chicago: Marlins are big big big in Asia.
[06:27:13] Beirdo: Miami being the closest team-owning city to Puerto Rico right now
[06:27:33] Beirdo: and there's rumors that they may play games in San Juan soon, that would be cool
[06:27:44] Chicago: Isn't Puerto Rico going to be America soon?
[06:27:55] Beirdo: heh, who knows
[06:28:07] Beirdo: I just wanna get there already
[06:28:11] Beirdo: I'm so sick of Toronto
[06:28:22] Chicago: you like hurricanes?
[06:28:31] Beirdo: PR doesn't get many
[06:28:50] Beirdo: they are still building up, too far east to get the worst of it
[06:29:02] Chicago: good... don't worry then. :)
[06:29:13] Beirdo: they tend to clobber Dominican Republic/Haiti a LOT more
[06:29:22] Chicago: Which unofficial plugins are known to work on current SVN?
[06:29:35] Beirdo: and our house is concrete and generally hurricane-safe
[06:30:14] Beirdo: how would we know? I doubt many people using current SVN use unofficial plugins
[06:30:49] Chicago: Beirdo: I'm working with mythburn mythstream and mythstreamtv and mythstreamweb... but they're kinda sucky right now.
[06:30:52] Beirdo: anyways... 2:30am
[06:31:10] Beirdo: I should get sleep, got a pile of furniture to move out tomorrow
[06:31:24] Beirdo: and a chiro appt in 7.5h
[06:31:27] Beirdo: I suck
[06:31:29] Chicago: yeah right.... you gonna play on the computer till 6am?
[06:31:37] Beirdo: hell no
[06:31:40] robbins876: ok, if im' going to pull the firmware from my disc, what file am I looking for and what would the subsequent path to that file be?
[06:31:41] Chicago: lol
[06:31:51] Beirdo: night
[06:31:58] Chicago: robbins876: all documented at the ivtv site
[06:32:02] Chicago: ngith Beirdo
[06:32:03] robbins876: no it's not
[06:32:07] robbins876: i've looked
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[06:32:20] robbins876: it doesn't tell me what file to look for it just says... get the firmware from the disc
[06:32:26] robbins876: or that it's stored in some driver.inf
[06:32:34] robbins876: but there's a few inf's
[06:32:37] Chicago: robbins876: discover the step where it says copy the file from your CDROM and investigate the docs to see which dir to put it into on your distro
[06:32:59] robbins876: "the file" is the problem
[06:33:01] robbins876: what file?!
[06:33:21] Chicago: robbins876: they even point to older versions of the firmware download on the website....
[06:33:31] Chicago: robbins876: which site are you lookin at?
[06:33:43] robbins876: http://ivtvdriver.org/
[06:34:00] robbins876: this is what it says, over and over...
[06:34:01] robbins876: ./ivtvfwextract /path/to/firmware
[06:34:56] Chicago: check this site instead. http://ivtv.writeme.ch/
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[06:35:52] robbins876: it just points me to the same site
[06:36:39] Chicago: hmm... so the docs are broken?
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[06:38:14] robbins876: this is the hardest thing i have ever tried to do
[06:38:37] robbins876: it's all a puzzle, but instead of making one big picture, it's going to make one big sheet of white paper
[06:38:41] Chicago: robbins876: this is the second day you've tried running linux.... have you compiled a custom kernel yet?
[06:38:42] robbins876: i feel like i'm blind.
[06:38:57] robbins876: i have no tried to compile a custom kernal
[06:39:00] robbins876: kernel
[06:39:07] Chicago: which distro are you using?
[06:39:10] robbins876: SuSE
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[06:39:32] Chicago: You have a hauppauge 150?
[06:39:49] robbins876: yep
[06:41:36] Chicago: I have 2 of them... this shouldn't be too bad to figure out what's wrong... do you see anything about ivtv when you type "dmesg"?
[06:42:04] robbins876: in terminal?
[06:42:15] Chicago: yeah
[06:42:30] Chicago: Plus... you're interested in HcwFalcn.ROM and HcwMakoA.ROM
[06:42:43] robbins876: wow, that brought up 260,000 lines of text
[06:43:15] robbins876: but no, nothing about ivtv
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[06:43:50] Chicago: "wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 35.zip" is a linux command
[06:44:16] robbins876: yeah, i did that
[06:44:20] Chicago: from step 1.) of Obtaining and Installing the Firmware at ivtvdriver.org
[06:44:33] robbins876: then you unzip it
[06:44:36] robbins876: as the next step
[06:45:02] robbins876: and then copy some files
[06:45:07] robbins876: i think
[06:45:17] robbins876: which i did
[06:46:02] Chicago: maybe your problem is that suse doesn't use /lib/modules..... but it probably does... I know I use /lib/modules on gentoo... and then I had to add ivtv to another file in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6
[06:46:22] robbins876: should i be able to locate those files somewhere?
[06:46:27] robbins876: /lib/modules
[06:46:31] robbins876: cause i looked and i couldn't find them
[06:46:41] Chicago: makes sense.
[06:46:50] Chicago: you only have them if you compiled a kernel./
[06:46:55] robbins876: god damnit!
[06:46:57] robbins876: so many steps!
[06:47:00] robbins876: OH MY GOD!
[06:47:02] Chicago: yeah
[06:47:12] robbins876: how do i do that...
[06:47:14] Chicago: pain is fun w/ GNU software
[06:47:16] robbins876: compile a kernel
[06:47:24] robbins876: ?
[06:47:45] Chicago: switch distros and start with gentoo... and read the gentoo docs... they have a great support network to teach you the steps to get a kernel compiled.
[06:48:03] robbins876: i tried to install fedora, but it kept failing on me
[06:48:07] robbins876: wouldn't even start the install
[06:48:21] robbins876: so i just installed SuSE and it worked
[06:48:32] Chicago: fedora is just a freebee from redhat... plus it's a binary distro... which kinda sucks.
[06:48:38] robbins876: i really would like to run fedora, but i don't have the knowlege or capabilities to fix the installer
[06:49:07] robbins876: SuSE is just pissing me off... there's really no support for any of it
[06:49:24] robbins876: is mythTV really just that insane of a setup? is it this hard on all distros/
[06:49:25] robbins876: ?
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[06:49:55] Chicago: mythTV is a bit more advanced to install than freevo... and on gentoo installing mythtv can be as easy as type "emerge mythtv"
[06:50:02] robbins876: freevo?
[06:50:18] Chicago: freevo is another media convergence packiage.
[06:50:25] robbins876: it's easier than myth?
[06:50:37] Chicago: it's less complete.
[06:50:43] Chicago: You're having trouble with IVTV...
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[06:50:50] Chicago: that's just another thing all together.
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[06:51:17] robbins876: i just want to watch tv and listen to music using my hauppauge remote
[06:51:54] Chicago: that remote won't work for you for a long time.
[06:51:58] Chicago: lirc won't configure easily.
[06:52:06] Chicago: you should checkout the knoppmyth distro
[06:52:57] robbins876: doesn't that run on a cd, though?
[06:53:03] Chicago: yeah
[06:53:04] robbins876: i want to make this like a media center pc sort of thing
[06:53:13] Chicago: but aren't you looking for something to automate your drivers?
[06:53:24] robbins876: you mean make easier? yes.
[06:53:35] Chicago: go with gentoo
[06:53:52] robbins876: it's fully functioning linux, correct?
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[06:54:16] Chicago: actually... it's uberlinux, which means it's better than linux.
[06:54:40] robbins876: uberlinux?
[06:54:52] robbins876: i think i might be a pussy
[06:54:57] Chicago: yeah... uberlinux
[06:55:06] Chicago: lol
[06:55:15] robbins876: maybe buying a license for sageTV will save me my sanity
[06:55:20] robbins876: and just running windows
[06:55:44] mchou: robbins876: foget about it
[06:55:48] mchou: forget*
[06:55:55] robbins876: what do you mean?
[06:56:00] Chicago: sageTV is getting shutdown for not paying licenses to the tribune media service for the TV listings service.
[06:56:16] mchou: not unless you like dealing with reboots, missed recordings, bad drivers, etc
[06:56:16] robbins876: damn them!
[06:56:31] Chicago: robbins876: i made that up
[06:56:38] robbins876: oh thank god
[06:56:47] robbins876: i was going to cry... physically shed tears
[06:56:53] Chicago: but... they do use tribune media services... which is a strictly non-commercial product.
[06:56:53] mchou: I didnt make up the stuff I said
[06:57:11] robbins876: forget about what? sageTV?
[06:57:25] mchou: robbins876: yup. or windows
[06:57:42] robbins876: that would be easy if linux wasn't so fucking complicated
[06:58:00] mchou: robbins876: trust me, I tried all windows solns
[06:58:12] mchou: I really wanted them to work
[06:58:21] mchou: they all failed miserably
[06:58:29] Chicago: robbins876: you must have it easy... 2 days already on linux and it's too complicated for you
[06:58:41] robbins876: my brain is killing me
[06:58:44] Chicago: just be patient and it will work.
[06:58:51] robbins876: it's sooooooooo hard
[06:58:54] Chicago: frustration isn't compatible with linux
[06:59:00] robbins876: apparently
[06:59:15] Chicago: be cool and checkout gentoo
[06:59:17] Chicago: or debian
[06:59:24] mchou: screw gentoo
[06:59:28] robbins876: those are high-level linux
[06:59:30] robbins876: i need simple
[06:59:33] robbins876: simple and easy
[06:59:35] Chicago: debian is simple
[06:59:39] robbins876: yeah, for you
[06:59:40] mchou: who the hell wants to compile world
[06:59:42] robbins876: and jesus
[06:59:48] Chicago: mchou: i like too...
[07:00:04] Chicago: Does Jesus use Gentoo?
[07:00:19] robbins876: you could be the first person to claim that he does
[07:00:28] mchou: lol
[07:00:40] mchou: welcome to Jesusland!!
[07:00:41] robbins876: make it a shirt.
[07:00:48] robbins876: Jesus uses Gentoo
[07:00:53] Chicago: cool
[07:00:57] robbins876: then you can make a movement called... JUG
[07:01:05] robbins876: or JuG
[07:01:16] mchou: naw. JUGS*
[07:01:16] robbins876: damnit, my brain is fried...
[07:01:17] Chicago: emerge -uD --newuse Jesus world
[07:02:03] Chicago: robbins876: it will take a while to get myth up... but gentoo is an easy distro to do it with.
[07:02:33] mchou: lol. dont trust that dude Chicago
[07:02:47] mchou: gentoo is a easy distro my ass
[07:02:58] robbins876: yeah, i don't believe any of what he's saying
[07:03:10] robbins876: he described it as uberlinux
[07:03:21] robbins876: anything that uses german to describe it is not simple
[07:03:25] Chicago: mchou: robbins876: really... it's an awesome linux from source
[07:03:30] mchou: gentoo wankers
[07:03:41] robbins876: i don't even know what that is
[07:03:46] mchou: Chicago: you're full of shit
[07:04:02] mchou: even redhat can be built from source
[07:04:11] Chicago: mchou: I like my gentoo... I've been compiling an optimized distro for p4 for long time.
[07:04:12] mchou: so what's the big deal?
[07:04:25] mchou: lol
[07:04:32] robbins876: i want someone to develop a one click install for mythTV
[07:04:45] robbins876: there's absolutely no reason it should be so complicated
[07:05:09] Captain_Murdoch: isn't that called knoppmyth?
[07:05:19] robbins876: i'm going to try that
[07:05:26] robbins876: since i'ts the 30th time it's been brough up
[07:05:30] robbins876: where do i get it?
[07:06:15] Captain_Murdoch: I dunno, but if google can't tell you, then maybe http://www.knoppmyth.org is another good place to check.
[07:06:47] Chicago: mchou: I figure gentoo is great since it's new since 2002 and isn't a binary distro...plus it has such an awesome support website/irc & forums going for it. and it works.
[07:06:49] robbins876: good call
[07:07:19] robbins876: time flies when you're getting frustrated over linux
[07:07:24] mchou: Chicago: new since 2002??
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[07:07:31] Chicago: mchou: last I heard
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[07:07:47] mchou: Chicago: by that measure Vista MUST be better than gentoo, right?
[07:08:13] Chicago: and the AS/400
[07:08:17] mchou: or any linux distro newer than gentoo
[07:08:44] Chicago: well really... it's fairly stable... it's on all the architectures... and has more packages than BSD... what more do you want?
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[08:03:54] fatmatt: heyas,
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[08:20:07] fatmatt: if I was to use the fm tuner on my bt848 card to record radio (using external commands to set the tuner up etc) and I ended up with a .nuv file, no video, anyone know how easy it would be to strip out the audio as mp3 or wav?
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[08:21:44] fatmatt: I could just script the capture and dump it to an audio file but I want to let myth manage conflicts on that card.
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[09:01:27] CaCtus491: evening
[09:05:18] hashbang: morning! :-)
[09:09:51] CaCtus491: I'm having some troubles getting shows to transcode on a remote backend
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[09:10:05] main2: i have executed mysql with < mc.sql ;)
[09:10:12] main2: but i keep receiving 'unable to connect to database!'
[09:10:17] CaCtus491: although I seem to be making some progress, so we'll see how I go before start asking q's :)
[09:10:19] main2: when starting the backend
[09:10:26] main2: any ideas why this is happening, how i can solve this problem?
[09:10:48] CaCtus491: main2: sure mysql is running? :)
[09:11:19] main2: yes
[09:11:31] main2: i can: mysql -u mythtv -p
[09:11:37] main2: password: mythtv
[09:11:39] main2: :D
[09:12:21] main2: im also receiving a lot lot lot of QSqlErrors when starting the mythtv-setup
[09:13:02] main2: dunno if this is normal? :/
[09:14:11] CaCtus491: from the mysql client, does the mythconverg database exist with a bunch of tables?
[09:14:14] main2: dbtype is qmysql3, while i have mysql server 4.1
[09:14:26] main2: yes it does
[09:14:35] CaCtus491: btw, it has been a _long_ time since I've setup mythtv :)
[09:16:46] main2: CaCtus491, i dont care – i expect you to know it from the top of your head :+
[09:16:46] main2: ;D bullshitting, im happy gettin responce here..
[09:17:14] main2: i accidently went into #mythtv -> instead of the users channel, yesterday i knew where i had to go immediatly... i should read welcomemessages more often :o
[09:19:30] main2: how can i tell mythtv to use Mysql4, instead of qmysql3 ?
[09:21:25] CaCtus491: um, not sure if that is the problem
[09:21:37] hashbang: main2: just works here, installed on FC4 which includes MySQL4 as standard.
[09:22:44] hashbang: main2: if you're already running with 3, I suspect you'll need to stop all the myth components, mysqldump, upgrade to 4, then re-import all your tables and data into 4.
[09:30:02] main2: i never ran 3 :P
[09:30:37] main2: RHEL 4 (U3) comes with mysql 4 (client)
[09:30:45] main2: and i installed the server (version 4)
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[09:37:05] main2: do i need to have qsql? or something? :S
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[09:37:56] cobaltsixty: hello, i have a (sort of) myth tv related question: does a bt848 enable some sort of concurrent access (ie., 2 process acessing it), either under linux and perhaps windows (via WIA)?
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[09:49:51] cobaltsixty: sorry, power outage with a bad ups :(
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[10:03:51] Juski: mornin
[10:06:37] laga: morning Juski
[10:06:57] Juski: laga: just FYI, some kind guy (fox) provided German translations for the video – I've done it, just mpegging it now
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[10:07:08] laga: Juski: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/188612 – watch that ;)
[10:07:14] laga: Juski: that's great :)
[10:07:27] laga: Juski: i was quite busy with other stuff lately, i'm sorry
[10:09:59] Juski: laga: np
[10:10:04] Juski: and ROFL!
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[10:11:20] Juski: I've had a nightmare of a day so far – accident with the clothes iron. it fell off the board, landed on the floor, so I thought nothing of it. Except it'd switched the extension lead on when it fell, result: extension lead, iron and carpet became one!
[10:11:34] Juski: all on the day my parents are coming :-O
[10:12:35] Juski: lucky I kept the carpet offcuts :-)
[10:12:37] laga: ouch, that sucks. :/
[10:12:39] laga: hehe
[10:14:08] Juski: btw the video has a linuxtag logo in it now ;-)
[10:15:13] laga: Juski: awesome :)
[10:15:58] Juski: there was no way I'd have been able to translate the text with babelfish – talk about impossible
[10:16:10] Juski: <gibberish!>
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[10:17:49] laga: Juski: it'd been amusing
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[10:18:05] Juski: heh. very
[10:18:06] laga: Juski: we could have told the people on linuxtag that we outsourced our marketing division to india ;)
[10:18:36] laga: crappy weather *sigh*
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[10:19:07] main2: i ok, i got the backend installed on my server (its running now)
[10:19:31] main2: what do i need to do to make the frontend working........ > do i need to make it connect with the sql db on my server?
[10:20:02] Juski: duh
[10:20:20] Juski: what you need to do is read some documentation methinks ;-)
[10:20:50] Juski: and watch the video laga posted a link to earlier :-D
[10:21:08] main2: please provide me some urls.. im searching on the wiki
[10:21:37] Juski: "please don't make me angry"
[10:21:48] main2: please stfu :)
[10:22:21] Juski: charming, I'm sure
[10:22:36] main2: dude, you got nothing usefull to say
[10:22:53] laga: main2: RTFM goddammit ignorant retard
[10:22:55] main2: so its better if you stop talking to me..
[10:22:56] Juski: you're not gonna get answers to those questions
[10:23:02] Juski: not here anyway
[10:23:06] main2: from you, no need for..
[10:23:13] laga: (i already said the weather is depressing me, right?)
[10:23:20] main2: laga, go fuck yourself
[10:23:20] laga: main2: www.mythtv.org is the URL you need
[10:23:38] Juski: seriously, we expect everyone to at least read the docs before asking questions. most people respect that
[10:23:40] laga: main2: well, some endorphines might help my mood, right.
[10:24:16] main2: Juski, ive been trough about 50pages to get it setup as it is now
[10:24:31] main2: your bullshit comments like '<Juski> duh
[10:24:31] main2: <Juski> what you need to do is read some documentation methinks ;-)'
[10:24:35] main2: are not really appreciated
[10:24:49] Juski: oh, newbie boy is tired of reading & wants someone to do it for him now. bless
[10:24:56] laga: main2: your issue/problem and the solution is in the docs. so will you go and read them?
[10:25:04] main2: pointing someone in the right direction aint that hard
[10:25:18] main2: instead of haning out the loser, you could also point me to some docs/urls :)
[10:25:42] Juski: ffs
[10:25:58] Juski: if you didn't know to start at www.mythtv.org what chance do you have?
[10:25:58] laga: 12:23 < laga> main2: www.mythtv.org is the URL you need
[10:26:30] main2: go cry, kiddies..
[10:26:48] Juski: /ignore main2
[10:27:15] main2: /ignore justki
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[10:27:21] main2: /ignore Juski
[10:27:24] main2: :-))
[10:28:16] ** laga calls ACME to get an RMA for his ignorance-o-meter. stupid thing blew up. **
[10:28:57] ivor: laga: I've got an industrial one I use at work if you want that one.
[10:30:34] Juski: laga: uploading the video now. it's rather big, but full PAL resolution & DVD bitrate :-)
[10:30:50] laga: Juski: do you have enough webspace?
[10:31:05] Juski: laga: mythtvtalk does AFAIK
[10:31:09] Juski: ;-)
[10:31:22] laga: ivor: that's nice, but i'm sure you have more use for it. you know, i still attend school and small SOHO equipment still works for me, usually.
[10:31:26] laga: Juski: i'd hope so ;)
[10:31:51] ivor: laga: I was thinking of upgrading it though.
[10:31:56] Juski: 20.7KB/sec upload speed :-/
[10:31:58] laga: Juski: thx
[10:32:02] Juski: damn NTL
[10:32:13] laga: Juski: be happy, i get 16KB/s at best
[10:32:24] Juski: right I got to go out
[10:32:31] Juski: bbl maybes
[10:32:33] laga: ivor: gonna get an used one from the US navy?
[10:32:38] ivor: :D
[10:32:38] laga: bye Juski
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[11:01:15] psofa: can someone pls tell me where can i find a list of lirc actions for mythtv? im not asking for keyboard controls but the name of the lirc actions
[11:01:36] psofa: btw the hauppage remote is great
[11:01:53] psofa: and myth also worked great with dvb-t
[11:03:51] psofa: i think ill have to browse the source and find the relevant file :/
[11:10:21] ivor: psofa: what do you mean by 'actions'? you just map the lirc buttons to the myth keypresses.
[11:10:43] psofa: ivor, thats irxevent
[11:10:50] psofa: im talking about native lirc support
[11:11:49] psofa: begin remote=amadeus prog=mythtv button=SQUARE config=Esc
[11:11:50] psofa: end
[11:12:06] psofa: im aking what are the valid config= strings
[11:12:52] ivor: the keynames
[11:14:10] psofa: ivor, so are they same name as the keyboard commands?
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[11:22:14] ivor: yeah, sorry distracted just noticed I've got my F1 mapping wrong. :)
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[11:41:11] psofa: if i wanted to record what im seeing now in livetv what would i do?
[11:41:18] Juski: rtfm
[11:41:20] psofa: i tried pressing r
[11:41:22] Juski: or press R
[11:41:39] psofa: then when i wanted it to finish played r again
[11:41:44] psofa: to stop the recording
[11:41:47] psofa: but it wasnt there
[11:41:55] psofa: so i guess im not doing something right
[11:42:41] psofa: i can record things fine with the "manage recordings" but its not handy if you just want to record what you see
[11:43:10] Juski: livetv recordings are put into a different group you know
[11:43:31] psofa: so pressing r to begin and r to stop is the correct way?
[11:44:45] Juski: I think myth will justkeep the livetv recording in any case
[11:45:02] Juski: split at show boundaries
[11:45:22] psofa: ok ill look into it better
[11:45:37] psofa: i just wanted to be sure im not doing R to start r to stop wrong
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[11:49:06] Juski: maybe the 'r' key method has been deprecated
[11:51:46] psofa: Juski, whats the prefered method?
[11:52:25] Juski: everything gets recorded & kept for at least a day until it expires (and if you wnna keep it, you set it to not expire)
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[11:54:29] Lycan: has anyone got mythgame working properly? i cant seem to get it to find my roms
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[11:55:08] psofa: Juski, ? how can it all be recorded if i watch all day for example? i dont have that much diskspace.they get deleted before the day expires as ive set the limit to 3 gb
[11:55:20] Juski: heh
[11:55:39] Juski: your mistake, in that case
[11:56:06] psofa: Juski, :/ i think recording what i see until i stop it is a fundamental function of a pvr
[11:56:06] Juski: I keep saying this, so I apologise if I sound like a broken record...
[11:56:23] Juski: livetv is _so_ 20th century – get over it ;-)
[11:56:33] psofa: :/
[11:56:53] Juski: psofa: I challenge you to tell that to the developers. mythtv isn't a VCR or Tivo
[11:57:05] psofa: i wouldnt dare :D
[11:57:22] Juski: and if you don't have the diskspace, how else do you think it'd store everything?
[11:58:05] psofa: Juski, i dont want to waste 30 gb of diskspace just in case i need to record 1 gb
[11:58:09] psofa: that doesnt sound sane
[11:58:17] psofa: its like telling me
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[11:58:32] Juski: so don't leave livetv on all day :)
[11:58:55] psofa: if you want to record that show on your vcr youll have to record all day on a huge tape and then cut all you dont want
[11:58:56] psofa: :/
[11:59:29] Juski: believe me, seeing past what livetv is about is really a very good way to work
[12:00:01] psofa: Juski, even then i dont have a tv guide
[12:00:08] psofa: so that means ill have to manually cut
[12:00:33] psofa: and join the pieces
[12:00:56] Juski: sounds to me like mythtv isn't suited to what you want to use it for
[12:01:43] Juski: without a TV guide, most PVRs are impotent
[12:01:55] psofa: Juski, the reason im using mythtv is because i want to have many frontends
[12:09:04] Juski: so, just get a bigger HDD for the backend
[12:09:43] Juski: the developers changed the fundamental way livetv works due to user requests – there's no going back now
[12:10:12] Lycan: would be nice if u could switch it off though
[12:15:09] Juski: well, for some maybe. not for me – I've even taken livetv out of my main frontend's menu
[12:16:35] Lycan: how do u mean?
[12:16:57] Juski: I mean I don't use livetv at all
[12:17:14] Juski: I have better things to do than sit in front of the TV all day ;-)
[12:17:35] Juski: my point is that livetv is just too passive for me. I make my own schedule instead
[12:17:37] Lycan: lol ok
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[12:23:35] someguy0500o5: hey all, I've recently gotten Myth to work but I'm having a weird issue with recording programs
[12:23:35] psofa: Juski, i used to use vdrtv from the frontends menu but i need multiple frontends
[12:23:52] psofa: and i dont see how a function like this requires changes to mythtv livetv
[12:24:30] psofa: btw can i see both dvb-s and dvb -tuners simultaneusly? pressing v which does p-i-p does nothing
[12:24:38] someguy0500o5: When I record something I'm actually watching, the recording looks perfect... though when I record it and leave the computer on the main menu, the shows are just blank
[12:25:08] someguy0500o5: blank = no picture no sound
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[12:29:52] someguy0500o5: ok im off to work, if anyone has any ideas... could you message me with help? Thanks
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[12:34:31] Zider: is mythmusic boosting the audio volume in any way? the sound is much louder than the movies
[12:35:58] Lycan: has anyone got mythgame working properly? i cant seem to get it to find my roms...xmame works fine on its own
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[12:37:29] hashbang: Zider: I'd suspect either gain settings in id3tags, or that the dynamic range of your music is lower than your movies.
[12:37:42] hashbang: Lycan: you've done a scan for your roms?
[12:38:11] hashbang: Lycan: and set the rom path correctly in mythgame prefs?
[12:38:18] psofa: can i see both dvb-s and dvb -tuners simultaneusly? pressing v which is supposed to do p-i-p does nothing
[12:38:21] Zider: hashbang: well, on my other machine xmms plays music the same volume as mplayer plays movies..
[12:38:25] psofa: *dvb-t
[12:38:28] Lycan: hashbang, yeah it seems to have found them because it takes about 5 mins to go thru my last and i can see in the console that it has parsed all the roms
[12:38:38] Zider: hashbang: didn't know there was a gain setting in the id3 tags
[12:38:56] Lycan: but its still empty when i go to play
[12:39:20] Lycan: defintely the rights paths in my profile setup
[12:39:20] hashbang: Lycan: have a look in the gamemetadata table
[12:39:44] Lycan: damm my mysql skills are rusty...how do i do that
[12:39:51] hashbang: Lycan: also, import the romsdb table from the file linked from the mythgame setup wiki, and patch mythgame a bit.
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[12:39:58] hashbang: Lycan: use mythconverg;
[12:40:03] hashbang: Lycan: pager less;
[12:40:07] Lycan: ok
[12:40:08] hashbang: select * from gamemetadata;
[12:40:46] hashbang: Lycan: there should be stuff in gamemetadata even if it doesn't have the right categories, years, etc.
[12:42:11] Lycan: how do i select the database again?
[12:42:14] Lycan: ie to load it
[12:43:36] hashbang: eh?
[12:44:04] Lycan: ive logged into mysql and i can see several databases
[12:44:10] hashbang: use mythconverg;
[12:44:17] Lycan: ahh thats it
[12:44:20] Lycan: ta
[12:45:12] Lycan: ok its full of these entries....
[12:45:15] Lycan: johnnyboy | xmen.zip | xmen | UnknownMAME | 19xx | Unknown | NULL | /usr/local/share/xmame/roms | MAME | 1 | Unknown | c7b3154b | 1 | 0
[12:45:29] Lycan: they show up as unkown
[12:46:23] Lycan: over 3000 entires
[12:46:26] Lycan: entries*
[12:48:48] hashbang: Lycan: ok, that's broadly right, but your mame config needs to specify inipath, where catver.ini lives so the year, genre etc. gets filled in.
[12:48:57] hashbang: Lycan: you'll also want to import romsdb
[12:49:06] hashbang: Lycan: it should still work without that info though.
[12:50:04] Lycan: well i have setup a xmamerc file with the correct path to catver.ini
[12:50:20] Lycan: i dont know what u mean by import romsdb though
[12:50:28] hashbang: from the mythgame setup wiki
[12:50:50] psofa: can i see both dvb-s and dvb-t tuners video simultaneusly? pressing v which is supposed to do p-i-p does nothing
[12:51:01] hashbang: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythGameEmulationSetup
[12:51:22] hashbang: psofa: it takes a while for me, but eventually it works.
[12:51:31] Lycan: ah ok...ill have a read..thanks
[12:51:34] psofa: hashbang, i get nothing
[12:51:37] hashbang: psofa: though that's only with 2 dvb-t tuners
[12:51:41] psofa: its like i didnt press it
[12:52:25] psofa: hashbang, so maybe it can do pip only on 2 devices serving the same channel list?
[12:53:12] hashbang: psofa: do you get the OSD menu if you press m ?
[12:53:45] psofa: hashbang, yes
[12:53:59] hashbang: psofa: I'd expect you to at least get a blank PiP
[12:54:03] psofa: and i can sitch fine between dvb-t and dvb-s
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[12:54:57] psofa: hashbang, hmm
[12:55:07] hashbang: psofa: you get the OSD menu? if so, try selecting PiP from there...
[12:55:20] psofa: when i do swap pip/main from the osd menu
[12:55:28] psofa: i get the other dvb
[12:55:36] psofa: but still the little pip isnt there
[12:55:44] psofa: so i suppose myth thinks its there
[12:55:46] hashbang: psofa: you need to have a channel selected in both
[12:56:10] psofa: hashbang, they both have a channel
[12:56:22] hashbang: right.
[12:56:25] hashbang: dunno, then.
[12:56:33] psofa: when i do swap pip/main i get the other dvb w
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[12:58:39] psofa: using metacity as a wm
[12:59:14] hashbang: psofa: shouldn't matter – I am too.
[12:59:31] psofa: hashbang, hmm
[12:59:35] psofa: hashbang, maybe xvmc?
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[13:01:00] Lycan: hashbang, im trying to load that romdb fix however it says that Table 'romdb' already exists
[13:01:00] Lycan: , should i delete it? and if so, how?
[13:01:17] hashbang: Lycan: you need to read the docs.
[13:01:30] hashbang: Lycan: it's all there.
[13:01:42] Lycan: ok fair enough..thanks again
[13:02:13] hashbang: Lycan: just this once, delete the 'create table' line from the romsdb script.
[13:02:22] psofa: it is xvmc
[13:02:23] ** hashbang doesn't like being a complete asshole. **
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[13:02:37] Lycan: ta
[13:02:50] hashbang: psofa: well done!
[13:02:59] hashbang: psofa: kinda makes sense, I think.
[13:03:04] psofa: is that a known issue?
[13:03:15] psofa: im using somewhat old nvidia dirvers
[13:03:22] hashbang: psofa: I get the impression that XvMC is quite a specialised hack and won't work for lots of general cases.
[13:03:57] hashbang: psofa: but yeah, cruddy nVidia drivers don't help, either.
[13:04:18] kazan: what low level code ISN'T a hack
[13:04:25] hashbang: psofa: and yes, they're still slightly less cruddy than the alternatives, for myth at least.
[13:05:17] hashbang: psofa: as far as nvidia versions go, do backups, test other versions, see which ones allow most of the features important to you to work.
[13:05:49] hashbang: 8756 works well for me, but YMMV
[13:05:52] psofa: k
[13:06:40] hashbang: in fact, YMPWV.
[13:06:42] hashbang: :-/
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[13:33:40] losgann: does anyone here know how to enable the new uk interactive tv stuff in svn?
[13:35:24] losgann: i didn't think so...
[13:35:57] scopeuk: hove you tried asking google i hear hesvery good with this sort of thing
[13:36:01] scopeuk: or maby mister wiki
[13:37:19] losgann: i have looked around, there doesn't seem to be anything
[13:37:33] scopeuk: ok
[13:37:59] scopeuk: i dont elvie tele text works yet so id personaly be doubtfull that the itneractive stuff does
[13:38:53] losgann: ok, thanks
[13:40:09] scopeuk: which interactive stuff were you thinking of/trying to get
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[13:42:16] losgann: there has been some development of the mheg/freeview thing recently
[13:42:36] GreyFoxx: a bunch of stuff has been in the commits
[13:42:45] GreyFoxx: but I haven't paid too much attention to it
[13:43:42] losgann: they just closed the ticket so it thought it might be usable now, but it seems not
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[13:45:48] kazan: one Felix Rubinstein thinks very highly of themself on the mailing list
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[13:51:35] olla: Is there a known memory leak in 0.19 ? my mem is decreasing from 26% free to 1% over time...
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[14:00:43] olla: guess thats a "no" then...
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[14:07:32] Juski: laga: I think the german video should all be uploaded now. same place I told you about earlier :-)
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[14:12:36] laga: Juski thanks
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[14:14:03] dtm: olla: it's a "nobody answered you, and taunting trolls don't work"
[14:14:33] dtm: or "you can't magically force the universe to drop what you want when you want it into your lap"
[14:14:50] olla: ggg... at least you can try
[14:15:18] dtm: olla: if you value your narcissism better than any results or comraderie, then yes
[14:15:34] dtm: i'm sure any local counseling center is well equipped to explain the basics of human interaction to you.
[14:16:01] olla: jeeez ... bad hair day?
[14:16:11] dtm: olla: bad troll day.
[14:16:52] dtm: and you're no good at it either. you should give it up.
[14:17:01] ** havoc notes: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc **
[14:17:37] olla: yes, i din't like trolling anyway...
[14:17:42] dtm: well done. also note ESR's howto, with a title paraphrased as "how to ask questions without needlessly pissing other people off"
[14:17:50] havoc: heh
[14:18:08] dtm: part of which is to deal with not getting what you want, without bleating and whining.
[14:18:16] havoc: be accurate, precise, complete, and above all, patient
[14:18:22] havoc: being polite is a plus too
[14:18:50] dtm: havoc: yes.. *I* find it cathartic reading, myself, as it reassures me that those values are not INSANE, however futile, expectations.
[14:19:57] olla: lol... i like you guys. somehow.
[14:20:22] havoc: I think http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc should be in the chan msg for almost every chan on freenode (the project channels anyway)
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[14:20:59] havoc: should have been written in as a toggle for chanserv :)
[14:21:09] dtm: havoc: it should be auto-repeated by a bot every hour!
[14:21:30] havoc: I'd have to /ignore it then ;)
[14:21:36] havoc: that would get annoying
[14:21:57] havoc: or at least ignore the channel activity highlight in irssi
[14:22:24] dtm: havoc: yeah no problem
[14:22:30] havoc: hmm, I think that doc was missing "n0 1337 sp33k"
[14:22:53] havoc: complete, well formed sentences are a plus
[14:22:59] havoc: makes reading the question easier
[14:23:03] dtm: heck, some channels have a bot that post the events of all the community's forum activity!
[14:23:07] dtm: in realtime
[14:23:24] dtm: havoc: leetspeak is simply a matter of conformity, not of etiquette ^_^
[14:23:28] dtm: may as well ban smilies.
[14:23:33] havoc: yeah, on low traffic channels it's not so bad, and if it's expected you can either ignore the msgs or the activity highlight
[14:23:57] dtm: or multiple languages or localized cultural references and spellings
[14:24:12] havoc: I can handle the language barrier
[14:24:25] havoc: it's laziness I don't like
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[14:25:39] havoc: to me leet speak is an attempt to obfuscate the question, and is a poor way to seek help
[14:25:48] havoc: IM speak is a sign of laziness
[14:25:57] havoc: but that's just my opinion
[14:26:21] dtm: havoc: btw, i use certain colloquialisms as abbreviations... like "oic", because i literally think and say "oh i see" all the time. :)
[14:26:33] havoc: yeah, that's not too bad
[14:26:33] dtm: so that's an interesting side effect of my irc kiddie exposure
[14:26:49] havoc: "common" abbreviations are jsut that, common abbreviations
[14:27:12] dtm: and certain smilies because i am highly visual and absurdly imaginative, such as ^_^ or even ^_^_^_^_^_^_^
[14:27:31] dtm: even though i'm not an idiot or an anime addict
[14:27:46] havoc: but I find it difficult to put forth the effort to help someone who is either trying to deliberately confuse me (leet speak), or too lazy to put forth any effort themselves (IM speak)
[14:27:52] dtm: and that's about it.
[14:28:38] dtm: oh, and pounding in all caps for effect. but it's intentional! it's absurd. that's why it works for me, because that's how i am, and i'm expressively embracing the medium in ways i can't irl
[14:29:01] dtm: just like brightening one's face and raising the voice slightly
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[14:29:11] dtm: or ... a lot.
[14:29:33] dtm: i didn't sleep last night and i may be babbling.
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[14:29:55] havoc: so, this client *faxes* me changes for their website this morning, and disables my ftp access to their site :|
[14:29:56] dtm: havoc: and yeah the way you put it, i agree
[14:30:05] dtm: havoc: hey speaking of which!! eh?
[14:30:13] dtm: f a x e s
[14:30:28] dtm: utilizing a medium of convenience so as to utterly decimate communication.
[14:30:31] dtm: takes skill!
[14:30:53] havoc: they printed out the web pages needing changes and marked them up
[14:31:10] Spida_ is now known as Spida
[14:31:14] havoc: they're marketing people though; it's to be expected
[14:31:35] dtm: putting all the work on you, doubling or tripling your work load totally needlessly and senselessly. target: interpersonal respect. TARGET DESTROYED
[14:31:58] havoc: *but*, unlike IRC, I'm getting paid for it
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[14:32:11] havoc: gotta suck it up and deal if I want to pay my mortgage :(
[14:33:49] havoc: ok, time to go grocery shopping, bbl
[14:34:35] dtm: in that case i'd tolerate it, and restore the respect via charity
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[14:49:52] SarahEmm: anyone here running .19 on gentoo?
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[14:52:19] Zider: SarahEmm: if that's the latest version in portage, then yes. ;)
[14:52:48] SarahEmm: heh
[14:52:49] SarahEmm: okay...
[14:52:53] SarahEmm: what version of X are you running?
[14:53:03] Zider: 7.x
[14:53:06] SarahEmm: ahh.
[14:53:12] SarahEmm: i'm pondering upgrading....
[14:53:18] SarahEmm: it means i have to unmask evvverything tho
[14:53:22] SarahEmm: including portage, which worries me
[14:53:27] Zider: why+
[14:53:29] Zider: ?
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[14:53:31] SarahEmm: err
[14:53:33] SarahEmm: because it's all masked?
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[14:54:29] Zider: well, I have it unmasked on my three systems, and they all work fine
[14:54:45] SarahEmm: okay..
[14:54:48] SarahEmm: portage and everything?
[14:54:59] Zider: yep
[14:55:13] Zider: in fact, the masked version of portage works better than the unmasked.. imo..
[14:55:22] SarahEmm: lol
[14:55:23] SarahEmm: alright :)
[14:55:25] ** SarahEmm unmasks **
[14:55:31] Zider: sorts use flag in a better way etc
[14:55:32] SarahEmm: .19 has a bunch of features i'd really like, so..
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[14:56:54] cschrader: yeha .19 is cool
[14:57:48] SarahEmm: if only the PVR-500 supported VBI on myth, i'd be *really happy* :)
[14:58:11] Zider: I don't even have a tv card yet
[14:58:17] Zider: I just use it to play movies and music
[14:58:20] SarahEmm: ahh hehe
[14:58:21] Zider: and soon some games
[14:58:25] ** SarahEmm uses an old bttv card **
[14:58:37] cschrader: ive got a pvr-500
[14:58:39] Zider: I have an old btv card, but it's broken :(
[14:58:44] Zider: bttv even
[14:58:45] ** SarahEmm has a pvr-500 too, for testing/playing with **
[14:58:49] SarahEmm: not in production use tho
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[14:59:33] imperfect-: is there any way to compress a live tv stream before you send it to a remote frontend?
[14:59:41] imperfect-: Watching TV over 54G wireless is choppy
[14:59:47] SarahEmm: how so?
[14:59:49] cschrader: hmm
[14:59:59] ** SarahEmm does that over 11B and hasn't found issues **
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[15:00:18] SarahEmm: you using MPEG2 or MPEG4 imperfect-?
[15:00:24] imperfect-: mpeg2
[15:00:27] imperfect-: off a card
[15:00:31] imperfect-: PVR-150
[15:00:38] defi_: Anyone know the setting that would cause channels to be listed twice in the program guide?
[15:00:44] cschrader: i watch it over 54g fine from my 500
[15:00:48] SarahEmm: ahh, that'd be the difference. i use MPEG4 because my card doesn't do anything
[15:01:13] cschrader: well – its choppy for me too, but thats cause of my processor
[15:01:16] imperfect-: I wonder if I could get mpeg2->mpeg4 converstion fast enough for live tv?
[15:01:16] cschrader: not the network
[15:01:25] imperfect-: I've gto a dualcore laptop
[15:01:30] imperfect-: and a 3.6ghz P4 for the backend
[15:01:31] SarahEmm: is there a list of packages i have to unmask to run X11R7?
[15:01:35] cschrader: oooh
[15:01:36] SarahEmm: going through 50+ one by one is annoying
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[15:01:46] cschrader: there probably is
[15:01:52] cschrader: search forums.gentoo.org
[15:04:50] defi_: Anyone know the setting that would cause channels to be listed twice in the program guide?
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[15:06:31] eidolon: nothing like finally getting your pair of 500gig drives up and running, when your primary 40gig drive dies.
[15:06:46] eidolon: fortunately, it only took the databases and other noise with it. recordings are all okay. but *GRR*
[15:06:49] ** eidolon prepares for a reinstall **
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[15:10:03] mchou: eidolon: what was make of 40GB and how old was it?
[15:13:05] imperfect-: I wonder if I could go out and buy a cheap non-hardware card
[15:13:21] mchou: imperfect-: why bother? use firewire
[15:13:22] imperfect-: throw it in the other box and have the front end on my laptop connect to that so it has a mpeg4 stream
[15:13:29] imperfect-: firewire?
[15:13:32] mchou: yup
[15:13:35] imperfect-: ?
[15:13:43] eidolon: Maxtor D540X-4K, and probably 4–5 years old :)
[15:13:44] kazan: hahah
[15:13:52] eidolon: really, it was a scrounge to begin with :)
[15:14:09] kazan: director of development (eric) to director of marketing (rachelle): "Hey Rachelle, you do anything on fridays?" – Rachelle: "Hell no"
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[15:14:14] cschrader: yeah thats a long life for a maxtor
[15:14:16] kazan: while talking to our one contractor
[15:14:20] mchou: imperfect-: go to your local cable office and ask for the HDTV STB
[15:14:46] kazan: eidolon: maxtor 'nuff said
[15:14:54] SarahEmm: mchou: a lot of companies disable the 1394 port tho
[15:15:15] kazan: SarahEmm: they have to enable it upon request – FCC regs AFAIK
[15:15:19] eidolon: heh. IMHO, the same can be said for any manufactuer. I've had seagate drives run for years, while otehrs have tons of failures. I've had Maxtor drives run for years, while others bomb out.
[15:15:23] SarahEmm: if you're in the US, kazan :)
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[15:15:25] SarahEmm: not everyone is
[15:15:41] ** kazan worships at the altar of Western Digital **
[15:15:59] cschrader: the difference is, seagate has a 5 year warantee
[15:16:00] mchou: WD is the suck
[15:16:03] kazan: i've had one WD drive fail and it was a defect and they overnighted me a replacement
[15:16:18] eidolon: hm. 20gig should be enough for a knoppmyth install, with /mythtv on a different volume yes?
[15:16:27] kazan: i have a 10 year old WD 1GB drive that still works
[15:16:28] mchou: kazan: was the replacement "new" or a refurb?
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[15:16:33] kazan: mchou: new
[15:16:36] eidolon: yeah, see on the drives? it's a total crapshoot all around.
[15:16:40] eidolon: answer to all of this: backups :)
[15:16:53] kazan: eidolon: my system drive is 15GB on my mythbox
[15:16:54] eidolon: and RAID is your friend
[15:16:58] eidolon: kazan: rockin.
[15:17:00] kazan: LVM > *
[15:17:15] kazan: my storage drive is LVM 2x 80GB WD EIDE100 drives
[15:17:24] kazan: if i need more room i'll start adding 300GB SATA drives
[15:17:48] eidolon: yah, i'm considering a bunch of SATA drives. atm, i have 2 WD 500gig drives as my /myth volume, and using this little seagate 20gig for my root drive.
[15:18:14] eidolon: there's a whole slew of upgrades int he pipe, though. I've realized with 0.19, apparently the transcoding on livetv is more intense... my Athlon 1400 is just -barely- keeping up :(
[15:18:53] defi_: Anyone know the setting that would cause channels to be listed twice in the program guide?
[15:18:57] kazan: at 500GB i'd get 3 and setup RAID5
[15:19:33] kazan: default .19 settings for LiveTV encoding of a bttv card used about 30% CPU on my Sempron 2500+
[15:20:05] kazan: the more CPU gready settings (i have all options except for 4MV enabled, quality 2–8, qdiff, bitrate 1600) take about 2/3rd CPU on the bttv card
[15:20:23] ** SarahEmm runs at very close to 100% cpu for livetv in her install... **
[15:20:24] kazan: backend cpu utilization when using one of the tuners on my PVR-500 = negligable
[15:20:31] SarahEmm: with luck .19 will mean i can move to a PVR-250 :)
[15:20:32] kazan: SarahEmm: system stats?
[15:20:39] SarahEmm: kazan: Celeron 1.7, 256mb of ram
[15:21:07] ** kazan is running Sempron 2500+, 1GB DDR333, 15GB system drive, 2x80 PV LVM, ATI Radeon 9600SE **
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[15:21:25] kazan: using onboard AC97 sound right now – but i have a turtle beach riviera on the UPS truck for delivery today
[15:22:31] ** SarahEmm is using onboard sound too **
[15:22:36] SarahEmm: which is fine with me
[15:22:43] eidolon: kazan: yah, i'm using a PVR-150... backend/frontend on the same machine. and re: 3 drives = raid5, yah. probably will go there at some point. trick is i'm going to need a second IDE controller soon.
[15:22:51] mchou: kazan: that's a terrible sound card
[15:22:59] eidolon: what's the turtle beach got over basic AC97?
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[15:24:13] ** dom_ uses onboard sound spdif to my Denon receiver on the frontend machine **
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[15:25:12] dom_: trying to knock together a really cheap (read free) backend machine, just need a non VIA skt370 mobo and i'm good to go
[15:25:33] dom_: assuming myth 0.19 plays nice with my dvb card
[15:27:09] eidolon: mm. sdpif.
[15:27:13] eidolon: er./ spdif.
[15:27:16] mchou: dom_: man, via is generally bad news
[15:27:24] eidolon: that's actually a good idea. hadn't thought about that. (using the spdif link)
[15:27:45] dom_: yeah, funny all the boards I find seem to have blasted via chipsets
[15:27:50] eidolon: via is cheap, but not necessarily bad. it's not top of the line, but expect to go through some BIOS updates :)
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[15:28:18] mchou: it's the crappy chipset. Nothing in bios gonna fix that
[15:28:47] ** eidolon watches knoppmyth boot. **
[15:28:51] dom_: these were all KT133 boards which is bad news apparently
[15:29:08] mchou: lol
[15:29:21] mchou: they appear even on a64 platforms
[15:29:24] Pitchin_uk: juski are you there??
[15:29:41] eidolon: FWIW, I picked up a Dell 2.2gig SFF PC off ebay for $130. Had to put more ram in it (256meg by default), but for $130? that's a perfectly good box... i'm considering one for my frontend.
[15:29:41] mchou: dom_: just ask ppl with pvr500s
[15:31:33] dom_: I'm bidding on an intel D815EEA mobo on ebay, should be fairly grief free I'm hoping, p3 1ghz for it. It's only a backend machine to record dvb-t
[15:31:36] Pitchin_uk: ive changed the hostname on my backend and now i cant access the backend
[15:31:40] Pitchin_uk: or my sql db
[15:32:00] Pitchin_uk: says i do not have access
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[15:32:14] cschrader: yeah theres some hoops you have to jump through when you change hostnames
[15:32:16] dom_: you need to grant access rights for the new hostname on the mysql box
[15:32:27] eidolon: these are the dells, btw: http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-Computer-NO-O-S-Opti . . . cmdZViewItem
[15:32:30] eidolon: highly recommended :)
[15:32:33] ** eidolon is typing on his atm. **
[15:32:37] cschrader: ahh right changing frontend hostname is the one where you need to modify the db?
[15:32:59] Pitchin_uk: dom_ how do i do that
[15:33:37] dom_: hang on a sec let me double check
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[15:35:06] dom_: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO 'monty'@'newhostname'
[15:35:08] eidolon: okay, i'm nervous enough about the knoppmyth install NOT to let it auto-install, cuz it might do something WRong [tm] to my 500giggers. i'm gonna take those offline and do the install.
[15:35:19] defi_: well I just finished splitting my fe/be system into two...
[15:35:21] dom_: I think
[15:35:37] defi_: looks like it will work a litttle smoother
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[15:36:14] defi_: only problem is that when I bring the guide up while watching tv all the channels are listed twice, any ideas?
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[15:43:44] Glasswalkr: Hello, I have got my mythtv box setup using knoppmyth, and everything seems fine, but when moving to my TV I can't get a modeline to work, it is allways garbled all up (but it boots fine on the tv out). I have searched and didn't find anything except "You should change XF86Config-4" which I know, but nothing told me specifically what I should use for TVOut
[15:43:56] Pitchin_uk: yeah my sql db doesn't like my new hostname
[15:44:01] Glasswalkr: Anyone able to point me at the right page? or shed some light on the situation?
[15:44:50] Glasswalkr: It is a Voodoo3 card that I had laying around, using SVideo out. As I said tvout works fine during boot (and at the virtual terminal, because I am on a vt right now editing the xf86config on my tv)
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[15:45:32] Glasswalkr: I checked the example configs, but none applied directly to me. Should I copy the nvidia one (closest to 3dfx) overtop of my entire config? and try that?
[15:47:45] RaYmAn-Bx: Glasswalkr: seen this? http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Configuri . . . t#3dfx_cards ? In particular the very last bit
[15:47:58] Glasswalkr: No! Awesome, will look there
[15:47:59] Glasswalkr: thanks!
[15:48:17] RaYmAn-Bx: amazing what google can find for you ;)
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[15:49:26] ** eidolon crashes the knoppmyth installer. **
[15:49:39] Glasswalkr: lol
[15:50:36] Glasswalkr: Actually I am not sure if that is related, the last paragraph basically says "Add a modeline for your tv with NTSC" and that I would have to re-run the kernel commands to get tvout working in the console, but tv out allready works in the console, so I am assuming I don't need those kernel config changes...
[15:50:50] Glasswalkr: So that leaves me with "Add a modeline" which was my initial question :) lol
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[15:53:05] kazan: what is status "E" on the mythWeb upcoming recordings page?
[15:53:09] psofa: do i have to recompile mythfrontend for xvmc if i update nvidia drivers?
[15:54:12] feld: psofa: no
[15:54:37] feld: you might need to recompile mythtv if you update xorg's xvmc driver
[15:54:59] feld: but i cant confirm that
[15:55:12] feld: while we're on the topic of xvmc I need some assistance
[15:55:34] dom_: Hi sorry pitchin, had to shoot off, Did you get anywhere?
[15:55:44] Ruis: so i've got mythdvd installed, and I can watch dvds fine, but when I select import dvd, nothing happens, and I don't see anything in the logs.
[15:56:19] feld: it's not working, damnit. I've got modular xorg with the libXvMC and the latest nvidia... my card is a 6600GT.... I have mplayer compiled with xvmc support — but i cant use xvmc to watch anything. Any ideas?
[15:56:35] Glasswalkr: Yest it appears that the support for lmsensors is apparently built into kernel 2.6 which the latest knoppmyth uses correct?
[15:57:01] Glasswalkr: so basically what I am asking is what bloody modeline should I use for tvout ntsc on a crt 27" tv (non widescreen)???? :) lol
[15:58:32] mchou: feld: what do you mean you cant use xvmc to watch anything??
[15:58:49] feld: mchou: mplayer -vo xvmc file
[15:58:51] feld: doesnt work
[15:58:59] feld: xine -V xvmc file
[15:58:59] mchou: feld: lol
[15:59:02] feld: still doesnt work either
[15:59:12] feld: what am I missing / misunderstanding?
[15:59:28] mchou: that's cause you have to compile xvmc into xine/mplayer
[15:59:33] feld: mchou: i did
[15:59:40] psofa: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8756, but
[15:59:40] psofa: this library is version 1.0.7676. Please be sure that your kernel
[15:59:40] psofa: module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[15:59:41] feld: xvmc use flag in Gentoo
[15:59:46] mchou: feld: lol
[15:59:49] psofa: thats what mythfrontend says
[15:59:57] RaYmAn-Bx: feld: it might help if you elaborate on "doesn't work"
[15:59:57] mchou: feld: gentoo lamer
[16:00:10] psofa: but im sure that both nvidia kernel and nvidia glx are the correct version
[16:00:13] feld: mchou: har har good one. dont start plz. (I'll win ;) )
[16:00:23] RaYmAn-Bx: mchou: not all gentoo users are lamers! Just the majority.
[16:00:34] feld: RaYmAn-Bx: ok now that we're all listening here's my situation
[16:00:45] psofa: but this library is version 1.0.7676 --> which library is it talking about?
[16:01:12] feld: I have a 6600GT and latest nvidia drivers. I have compiled support for xvmc in mplayer and xine. I have the modular xorg libXvMC installed. I can't use xvmc.
[16:01:30] psofa: feld, ffs what I can't use xvmc means?
[16:01:42] psofa: they need an error !
[16:01:59] feld: FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo).
[16:01:59] mchou: feld, you are a moron. go read the docs
[16:02:13] feld: mchou: no i'm not a moron, I have read the docs
[16:02:19] Glasswalkr: Anyone know where I can find an NTSC tv modeline that is relatively "standard"? I am googling and not finding much (alot of pal modelines, but I need ntsc)
[16:02:20] mchou: feld: bullshit
[16:02:35] psofa: feld, there must have been an earlier error
[16:02:39] mchou: feld: mplayer -vo help
[16:02:39] feld: mchou: no, I have read the full documentation portion of xvmc in nvidia's docs
[16:02:48] feld: Available video output drivers:
[16:02:52] feld: xvmc XVideo Motion Compensation
[16:02:55] feld: it's listed
[16:02:58] mchou: feld: those aint the docs I'm talkinbg about
[16:03:12] mchou: feld: man mplayer
[16:03:14] feld: mchou: what docs are you referring to?
[16:03:54] psofa: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8756, but this library is version 1.0.7676 --> what lib does mythfrontend mean? maybe i need to recompile mythfrontend?
[16:04:38] Glasswalkr: Nevermind finally found a couple modelines
[16:05:03] mchou: psofa: looks tat way :)
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[16:07:50] mchou: feld: you'll win only in your wildest dreams
[16:07:53] ivor: feld: mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc
[16:08:00] feld: ivor: i did that
[16:08:04] feld: i get no video
[16:08:06] feld: just audio
[16:08:09] mchou: lol
[16:08:19] feld: and i have ffmpeg12mc support....
[16:08:21] feld: so dont start that up
[16:08:45] feld: mchou: find me another distro that has the configurability, flexibility, and ease of use as Gentoo and you can win.
[16:09:02] feld: oh how about the community support? standardized documentation?
[16:09:07] ivor: feld: so pastebin your mplayer output then.
[16:09:08] mchou: hah, how about every other linux distro out there?
[16:09:22] feld: mchou: nice try, next...
[16:09:34] mchou: standardized documentation? what the hell is that?
[16:09:53] mchou: feld: you couldnt even be bothered to read the man pages
[16:10:24] mchou: talk about standardized documentation
[16:10:41] feld: ivor: http://sh.nu/p/1502
[16:10:56] feld: man pages != standardized documentation
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[16:11:30] a1fa: hey guys
[16:11:40] a1fa: http://pastebin.ca/49348
[16:11:46] a1fa: mythplugins wont compile
[16:11:52] mchou: feld: lol. Then by standardized docs yupu mean docs that only gentoo uses, right?
[16:11:58] a1fa: main.cpp:28:45: error: mythtv/libmythui/myththemedmenu.h: No such file or directory
[16:12:00] a1fa: i'm like – wtf
[16:12:28] feld: mchou: 90% of man pages are complete shit, include useless vague examples, and dont even detail every feature of the software, nor are they in a similar format as other man pages.
[16:12:46] ivor: feld: that's an mpeg4 file though.
[16:12:53] mchou: feld: you still havent defined what "standard docs" are
[16:13:00] mchou: ivor: bingo!!
[16:13:14] mchou: ivor: proves fels is a fool
[16:13:20] mchou: feld*
[16:13:46] feld: mchou: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml
[16:13:50] feld: there's standardized documentation
[16:13:57] ivor: heh, aren't we a happy bunch today?
[16:14:08] feld: everything you find is in the same clean format
[16:14:12] feld: and it's all up to date
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[16:14:26] mchou: feld: that standized cause only gentoo uses it??
[16:14:33] mchou: standardized*
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[16:14:41] feld: mchou: what distro do you use?
[16:14:45] mchou: feld: you're just too funny
[16:15:02] mchou: feld: I use several
[16:15:16] mchou: but none of them lamer gentoo
[16:15:28] a1fa: guys
[16:15:32] a1fa: can some1 check this error
[16:15:43] a1fa: i wasnt able to compile mythplugins forever now
[16:15:48] a1fa: http://pastebin.ca/49348
[16:16:02] feld: ivor: i've been under the impression that xvmc is a way to offload video decoding onto my gfx card? I had found nothing that indicated that it is only for certain codecs. I was mislead into thinking xvmc could get em all done.
[16:16:21] feld: mchou: give me one reason why gentoo is "lamer"
[16:16:21] mchou: feld: misled is right
[16:16:41] mchou: feld: <feld> mchou: find me another distro that has the configurability, flexibility, and ease of use as Gentoo and you can win.
[16:16:50] mchou: right there is the reason
[16:17:05] feld: what's "lamer" about the facts that I stated?
[16:17:14] mchou: you're assuming no other disto has those very attributes
[16:17:18] a1fa: dude
[16:17:20] mchou: disto*
[16:17:20] a1fa: everybody stfu
[16:17:28] a1fa: both of you
[16:17:38] laga: gentoo is a nice distro. so is suse, fedora, debian, ubuntu. now stop flaming. ;)
[16:17:58] feld: because there isn't? I've used debian based and redhat based distros many many times
[16:18:06] mchou: feld: haha!!
[16:18:34] feld: which include actual debian and actual redhat, fedora, centos, ubuntu, etc etc etc
[16:19:20] ivor: aarrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:19:36] ** ivor has just whacked his knee on the corner of the table. **
[16:20:13] mchou: ivor: well, look on the bright side, at least it wasnt a kick to the groin :)
[16:20:15] a1fa: http://pastebin.ca/49348
[16:20:18] a1fa: wtf
[16:20:18] laga: ivor: well, don't read the backlog then, that's gonna hurt even worse
[16:20:24] a1fa: i wasnt able to compile this for ever
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[16:20:25] a1fa: wtfffffff
[16:20:46] kazan: ok
[16:20:47] kazan: wtf
[16:20:59] kazan: my mythbox is doing something weird
[16:21:37] mchou: a1fa: I dunno how you expect us to help you
[16:21:53] a1fa: mchou : stfu
[16:21:59] geoff__998e: a1fa: you have a clean checkout?
[16:22:01] mchou: a1fa: does this file exist? mythtv/libmythui/myththemedmenu.h:
[16:22:05] laga: a1fa: now watch it
[16:22:16] a1fa: mchou : i dont want your help, thanks
[16:22:24] mchou: a1fa: ok. whatever you say
[16:22:26] a1fa: laga : i am just getting annoyed with these nubz
[16:22:48] mchou: a1fa: speak for your self, mr. stuck on compile
[16:22:56] a1fa: hahha
[16:23:00] a1fa: mchou : be quiet
[16:23:43] laga: rotfl
[16:23:54] mchou: a1fa: you and who's army?
[16:23:59] laga: mchou: whose*
[16:24:00] geoff__998e: is there any point in using the amd64 port of debian vs i386 for myth?
[16:24:02] laga: </spelling flame>
[16:24:12] mchou: laga: yeah, grammar lapse
[16:24:31] feld: geoff__998e: compile myth for amd64 and u might get a bit of a performance improvement
[16:24:33] laga: mchou: SCNR ;)
[16:24:35] mchou: geoff__998e: that depends on what you want to do
[16:24:45] geoff__998e: but I can just stick with plain debian right?
[16:24:50] feld: nothing HUGE but it depends on how much you're stressing that box
[16:24:51] a1fa: mchou : dude, will you stfu
[16:24:57] psymin: ugh ..
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[16:25:00] geoff__998e: mostly just a nice backend
[16:25:11] mchou: a1fa: who appointed you king?
[16:25:16] geoff__998e: just upgraded from a via c3 to a amd64 3800+ x2
[16:25:22] a1fa: laga : hm. i am going to have to re-checkout svn..
[16:25:24] mchou: geoff__998e: nice
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[16:25:26] feld: i personally wouldnt waste a 64bit proc on 32bit tasks if I didnt have to ;)
[16:25:29] geoff__998e: but I'm still waITING FOR THE POWER SUPPLY
[16:25:33] kazan: weirdness
[16:25:36] geoff__998e: oops
[16:25:39] geoff__998e: sorry caps
[16:25:42] laga: a1fa, mchou: please discuss your problems in a query.
[16:25:44] mchou: geoff__998e: which PSU are you getting?
[16:25:49] kazan: on my ivtv card the recording of ST:DS9 seemed to have kept getting interrupted
[16:25:53] kazan: and it would start a new file each time
[16:25:54] geoff__998e: a cheap one from newegg
[16:25:59] geoff__998e: with 24 pin
[16:26:00] laga: a1fa, mchou: it's annoying. and it doesn't feel cuddly if people are yelling at each other
[16:26:10] geoff__998e: I was expecting to be able to use my existing one
[16:26:16] a1fa: laga : mchou is annoying flaming distros, besides being a nub
[16:26:17] feld: geoff__998e: how cheap? cheap PSUs usaually burn out in days / weeks
[16:26:19] mchou: geoff__998e: nah, dont get a cheap PSU for A64
[16:26:27] kazan: any ideas wtf is going on with that?
[16:26:31] geoff__998e: $50
[16:26:33] laga: a1fa: i don't give.. care.
[16:26:34] mchou: geoff__998e: they are very power sensitive
[16:26:43] geoff__998e: it has a 10 year warranty
[16:26:43] feld: geoff__998e: that ain't too cheap then. I've seen ones for under 20! lol
[16:27:02] geoff__998e: the one I have now is from 1996 :/
[16:27:10] mchou: geoff__998e: how many amps on +12V?
[16:27:12] geoff__998e: and I was going to use that
[16:27:19] geoff__998e: um hold on, let me check it
[16:27:28] mchou: geoff__998e: what mobo did you decide?
[16:27:30] geoff__998e: lol
[16:27:36] a1fa: ls -al ../mythtv/libmythui/myththemedmenu.h
[16:27:37] geoff__998e: actually, the psu was $25
[16:27:38] a1fa: lol
[16:27:42] geoff__998e: 50 with overnight shipping
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[16:27:51] kazan: don't make me ping the channel to get my question answered :P :D
[16:27:56] feld: geoff__998e: oh no... 25 dollar PSU?
[16:27:59] feld: you're screwed
[16:28:02] geoff__998e: lol
[16:28:05] geoff__998e: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817174022
[16:28:12] mchou: geoff__998e: ouch!! $25 for shipping?
[16:28:16] geoff__998e: it has good reviews
[16:28:21] geoff__998e: overnight
[16:28:29] geoff__998e: I have everything but the psu
[16:28:31] mchou: geoff__998e: oh shit
[16:28:33] geoff__998e: I'm tired of waiting
[16:28:49] feld: geoff__998e: lol i had a 20 dollar PSU once. It weight as much as a piece of paper and died 5 days later.
[16:28:56] geoff__998e: lol
[16:29:02] geoff__998e: well, wish me luck
[16:29:03] feld: didnt even bother with their gay "warranty". I vowed to never buy a junk PSU again.
[16:29:14] kazan: anyone have any idea wtf was going on with my system?
[16:29:21] geoff__998e: I don't even have a video card in this machine
[16:29:32] geoff__998e: shouldn't draw too much power
[16:29:48] mchou: geoff__998e: what mobo is this?
[16:29:57] a1fa: laga : why the f is main pointing to a file that doesnt exist? main.cpp:35:45: error: mythtv/libmythui/myththemedmenu.h: No such file or directory
[16:30:16] mchou: a1fa: lol. what a nub
[16:30:23] a1fa: ok
[16:30:25] a1fa: thats it
[16:30:31] a1fa: i'm about to kick you in the face
[16:30:36] a1fa: if you dont stfu allready
[16:30:42] mchou: a1fa: go right ahead.
[16:30:43] geoff__998e: mchou: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138253R
[16:30:50] laga: !trout a1fa
[16:30:50] ** MythLogBot slaps a1fa with a trout on behalf of laga... **
[16:30:53] laga: !trout mchou
[16:30:53] ** MythLogBot slaps mchou with a trout on behalf of laga... **
[16:30:57] laga: a1fa: /ignore mchou
[16:31:01] laga: mchou: /ignore a1fa
[16:31:03] mchou: a1fa: I asked you the pertinent question and you flew off the handle
[16:31:04] laga: please.
[16:31:23] geoff__998e: nforce 4
[16:31:25] a1fa: mchou : lol.. assbite
[16:31:30] geoff__998e: not sure if I like it yet
[16:31:41] geoff__998e: but its way better than my via c3 board :D
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[16:32:00] geoff__998e: wich severely bit the dust 2 weeks ago
[16:32:03] mchou: geoff__998e: would the board even boot w/o vid card?
[16:32:19] geoff__998e: I've been in myth withdrawal
[16:32:26] geoff__998e: mchou: not sure :D
[16:32:30] geoff__998e: I hope so
[16:32:44] mchou: geoff__998e: if you get a pci-e card you probab need a beefier PSU
[16:32:49] geoff__998e: if not, I hope it will boot with pci nvidia
[16:32:59] geoff__998e: because that's all I have
[16:33:03] mchou: yeah, it will boot with pci nvidia
[16:33:08] geoff__998e: :)
[16:33:41] geoff__998e: the mb has an extra power connector if you choose to use a pci-e video card
[16:33:46] a1fa: mchou : i figured it out why its not working.. that ui file is new, and it needs to be installed before you can compile modules.. nub
[16:33:49] geoff__998e: but I'll save that for a future upgrade
[16:33:56] mchou: a1fa: lol
[16:33:59] geoff__998e: I've spent all my $$ on the cpu
[16:34:12] a1fa: mchou : that is something i didnt want to do
[16:34:17] a1fa: mchou : but i am going to have to
[16:34:37] mchou: a1fa: you're a moron and a fool
[16:34:45] a1fa: your mom is a bitch
[16:34:46] a1fa: :P
[16:35:13] a1fa: there ya go
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[16:35:29] mchou: at least my mom didnt raise a moron
[16:35:45] a1fa: yeah
[16:35:50] a1fa: but she raised a bastard
[16:35:51] a1fa: :P
[16:36:20] a1fa: now if you xcuse me
[16:36:23] psofa: lol how mature
[16:37:12] geoff__998e: so anyway, back to my original question: can I stick with 32 bit debian and just compile myth for amd64?
[16:37:16] eidolon: hey, so the knoppmyth installer is asking me" Choose a Module actioN" "i686 – Select the i686 Modules' or 'Skip Use default i?86 modules' – I have an Athlon 1.4gig... should i use i686?
[16:37:23] a1fa: geoff__998e : no
[16:37:41] mchou: geoff__998e: if it's only mythbackend I suppose you could go 64bit
[16:37:55] a1fa: mchou : stfu, it aint going to work
[16:38:05] a1fa: mchou : his kernel will be 32bit
[16:38:07] psofa: geoff__998e, why would anyone want to do that if he aint masochist
[16:38:07] geoff__998e: frontend has probs on 64 bit?
[16:38:12] mchou: geoff__998e: if you use it for anything else like web surfing or whatever I'd go 32 bit
[16:38:14] geoff__998e: I have a custom kernel
[16:38:15] a1fa: you need to bootstrap it then
[16:38:16] hashbang: Glasswalkr: googling for 'mythtv modeline' finds <http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database> which has been good to me.
[16:38:43] ** geoff__998e just doesn't want to reinstall everything **
[16:38:50] geoff__998e: I've had this install since 2001
[16:39:33] feld: geoff__998e: funny, I know someone with files on his box from 1996.
[16:39:38] hashbang: geoff__998e: you'll need a bunch of 64-bit-compiled libs to run 64-bit myth
[16:39:41] feld: from his first linux install.
[16:40:08] geoff__998e: hrm... and I don't suppose they are available in the normal 32 bit tree?
[16:40:26] hashbang: $ ls -AlR | grep 1995 | head
[16:40:26] hashbang: -rw-r--r-- 1 alex alex 32953 Aug 15 1995 .ircrc
[16:40:27] ** geoff__998e thinks of how often windows is reinstalled **
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[16:41:38] hashbang: I don't even remember what IRC client /uses/ ~/.ircrc now.
[16:41:40] feld: oh nice geoff__998e
[16:41:56] feld: err hashbang
[16:42:39] hashbang: feld; the disc has been upgraded 4 times, and that file (and a bunch of others too) has been carried forward each time. :-)
[16:43:38] hashbang: my first install would have been late June or July 1995, so that's probably my oldest file. Unless you count the copy of my Amiga's 120MB HDD...
[16:44:01] hashbang: in which case:
[16:44:09] hashbang: $ ls -AlR | grep 1993 | head
[16:44:09] hashbang: drwxrwxrwx 3 alex alex 4096 Jan 15 1993 GVPutils
[16:44:43] hashbang: (still there for UAE)
[16:45:05] feld: hashbang: omg awesome
[16:45:06] feld: :D
[16:45:08] achew22: that was a nice nights sleep
[16:45:32] achew22: feld have you gone to bed in the past 12 hours?
[16:46:25] feld: achew22: yes
[16:46:34] achew22: okay — good
[16:46:34] feld: i was out for 9 hours
[16:46:36] feld: heh
[16:46:44] mchou: woohoo!!
[16:47:18] hashbang: feld: I think your XvMC error comes from having an old version of libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 or libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.*
[16:48:01] hashbang: feld: either that, or you might have statically linked. I can't remember if there are .a static libs available...
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[16:48:22] mchou: hashbang: no, his xvmc error comes from attempting to play mpeg4
[16:48:30] feld: hashbang: i believe it was a big misunderstanding and a waste of time
[16:48:51] feld: there was nothing incorrect about the configuration and installation.
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[16:49:27] feld: oh well, shit happens. Not that I actually needed it, just wanted to play with it.
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[16:49:38] hashbang: oops, no, sorry it was *psofa*'s XvMC problem.
[16:50:13] feld: hashbang: heh ok
[16:50:37] hashbang: I just use standard Xv as colour OSD and PiP, and it's smoother on my system.
[16:50:57] psofa: hashbang, does pip work for you in xvmc?
[16:51:10] feld: pip wont work in any XvMC AFAIK
[16:51:19] hashbang: psofa: never tried; XvMC is awful on my system for regular playback/livetv, so...
[16:51:25] feld: and the color OSD can be returned with an xorg.conf and mysql trick
[16:52:00] hashbang: feld: I thought that might be a side-effect of the alpha implementation in XvMC?
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[16:52:24] psofa: feld, by AFAIK you mean personal experience or as you heard?
[16:52:36] feld: psofa: read it in a guide yesterday
[16:52:40] hashbang: anyway, it's irrelevant for me – XvMC makes mythfrontend use 30–40% CPU and jerk all over the places...
[16:52:48] ** hashbang shrugs. **
[16:52:59] psofa: feld, can you link me?
[16:53:29] feld: crap the link ... dont remember. i think i copied the guts into a text file though... one moment
[16:53:38] a1fa: hashbang : you got dma enabled?
[16:54:45] psofa: apart from pip and colorless osd xvmc works great. it uses 15%cpu when xv uses 50%
[16:55:00] feld: psofa: INSERT INTO settings SET value='UseChromaKeyOSD',data='1',hostname='yourhost';
[16:55:03] feld: Option "XvMCUsesTextures" "False" # [<bool>]
[16:55:14] feld: those 2 settings will fix the OSD
[16:55:35] xris: well, so much for camping this weekend...
[16:55:39] psofa: the second one isnt needed as xmc by default uses the overlay
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[16:57:36] hashbang: a1fa: is there an easy way to tell?
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[16:58:37] a1fa: hdaparm
[16:58:41] a1fa: -i i believe
[16:59:10] hashbang: a1fa: oh, *disc* DMA. Yeah, always have done, since 1995.
[16:59:27] a1fa: cool
[16:59:31] hashbang: I thought I remembered something about AGP DMA...
[16:59:40] a1fa: nah
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[16:59:43] a1fa: how much ram cpu u got?
[16:59:52] a1fa: are you running the backend and frontend on both boxes?
[16:59:55] a1fa: whats your setup?
[17:00:31] hashbang: a1fa: 512MB, BE and FE on the same system, Celeron 1.7, 2xDVB-T, 300G Seagate 7200.9
[17:00:53] a1fa: you got the power
[17:00:56] a1fa: xorg i am guessing?
[17:01:10] hashbang: oh, and Geforce 440MX
[17:01:11] a1fa: what color depth?
[17:01:45] hashbang: 24bpp, Xorg-6.8.2, standard FC4
[17:02:06] a1fa: hm
[17:02:56] a1fa: i have a similar setup
[17:03:00] a1fa: what version of frontend?
[17:03:06] hashbang: 0.19-fixes
[17:03:08] a1fa: and you say frontend is choppy?
[17:03:15] a1fa: or video?
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[17:03:34] a1fa: or both?
[17:03:58] a1fa: maybe you will need to tweak
[17:04:03] hashbang: yeah, when using XvMC, and the CPU usage of the FE rockets upto 40–50%
[17:04:03] hashbang: whereas Xv is just 20–30%
[17:04:04] a1fa: refresh rate :(
[17:04:19] a1fa: i think thats normal
[17:04:51] hashbang: standard PAL output via VGA->RGB SCART
[17:05:00] hashbang: so 50Hz, Interlaced, 768x576
[17:05:06] a1fa: ah PAL
[17:05:13] a1fa: i hate SCART, btw
[17:05:14] a1fa: :P
[17:05:30] hashbang: a1fa: it gives RGB, which is better than Component and Composite
[17:05:38] hashbang: a1fa: I curse the french for the plug design, though.
[17:05:40] a1fa: sure does
[17:05:43] a1fa: yup
[17:05:46] a1fa: i hate the design
[17:05:59] a1fa: rca design would be nice :P
[17:06:12] hashbang: a1fa: or 13w3 like Sun/SGI kit.
[17:06:12] a1fa: dvi-d resambles scart though
[17:06:27] a1fa: hashbang : did you reboot your box?
[17:06:38] hashbang: a1fa: lots of times. :-)
[17:06:42] a1fa: i will test video using xv
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[17:06:50] a1fa: i think it uses about 40% of cpu
[17:06:54] hashbang: a1fa: it's stable now, though, so uptime is ~7 days.
[17:06:54] a1fa: normal i guess
[17:07:08] a1fa: 12:05:51 up 72 days, 19:52, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.00
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[17:07:16] a1fa: 17:07:11 up 155 days, 17:57, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[17:07:20] a1fa: :)
[17:07:37] a1fa: i am trying to remember, which box has uptime of 300 days :P
[17:07:41] hashbang: a1fa: when I was still using the 8178/8138 driver, and doing the basic setup, I was rebooting fairly regularly
[17:07:44] a1fa: one of my boxes has uptime of 300 days :P
[17:07:50] hashbang: a1fa: but now it has 8756, all should be well.
[17:08:00] a1fa: yeah.. i dont know man
[17:08:05] a1fa: what distro/kernel?
[17:08:07] Beirdo: my PVR was just over 1 year when I rebooted it by mistake
[17:08:09] a1fa: you may want to get a new kernel
[17:08:10] hashbang: FC4, standard
[17:08:23] a1fa: i am running my off debian
[17:08:37] a1fa: Linux mytivo 2.6.15-1-k7 #1 Tue Jan 3 10:46:46 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:08:42] a1fa: it is very stable & optimized
[17:08:44] hashbang: I've been using RH since 2.1 days, so I'm pretty capable of wrangling it. :-)
[17:08:52] a1fa: yeah
[17:09:00] a1fa: good old days
[17:09:02] hashbang: "works for me" in other words. :-)
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[17:09:06] a1fa: yeah
[17:09:10] a1fa: see if you can get a new kernel
[17:09:18] a1fa: and optimize it to your cpu/driver
[17:09:23] a1fa: and get a new driver from nvidia
[17:09:26] hashbang: a1fa: already is, out of the box.
[17:09:31] hashbang: a1fa: and 8756 is the latest.
[17:09:37] a1fa: sucks man
[17:09:43] a1fa: i am running out of ideas what to check
[17:09:54] a1fa: maybe update bios :)
[17:09:56] a1fa: just in case
[17:09:58] hashbang: nah, not really. I can record two DVB-T streams, and watch a recorded show with no glitches.
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[17:10:17] a1fa: are you doing any transcoding?
[17:10:22] a1fa: maybe you should go to SVN
[17:10:23] hashbang: maybe I could get the load down by ~10%, but it's entirely theoretical.
[17:10:26] a1fa: it records into mpg
[17:10:35] a1fa: i dont watch livet
[17:10:38] hashbang: a1fa: no need, as DVB-T is MPEG-over-radio.
[17:10:47] a1fa: livetv, and when i watch livetv, i use tv to watch live tv
[17:10:52] a1fa: ah
[17:10:56] hashbang: DVB is great for low-powered boxes.
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[17:11:02] a1fa: sorry dude :P
[17:11:04] hashbang: all the encoding is done at /their/ end. :-)
[17:11:04] a1fa: i am out of ideas
[17:11:23] a1fa: i need to hit lunch
[17:11:24] kazan: any idea why livetv doesn't respect encoder priority?
[17:11:28] a1fa: bbl
[17:11:38] hashbang: if I had any spare PCI slots, I bet that l'il Celeron could cope with recording at least two more streams. :-)
[17:11:38] a1fa: kazan : check your livetv profile
[17:11:51] a1fa: :)
[17:11:54] kazan: um there are two :P one for software and one for mpeg2 encoders
[17:12:05] a1fa: bb;
[17:12:13] kazan: my pvr500's encoders are priority 5, bttv 0
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[17:17:32] eidolon: ahh, the first run of mythfilldatabase
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[17:18:34] kazan: wtfh bs
[17:18:42] hashbang: eidolon: y<CR>y<CR>n<CR>n<CR>n<CR>...
[17:18:50] kazan: usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[17:19:21] kazan: exists: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[17:19:30] kazan: with libGL.so and libGL.so.1 aliases
[17:19:36] hashbang: kazan: ldd /path/to/binary
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[17:20:39] kazan: ldd /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 just gives me some usage info
[17:20:50] hashbang: kazan: no, the binary, not the library.
[17:21:09] kazan: um....... i'm trying to make mythtv 0.19.1
[17:21:16] kazan: it's failing in make
[17:21:26] kazan: in mythtestui
[17:21:29] hashbang: kazan: what -L options are you passing?
[17:22:18] kazan: the standard stuff in the make file!
[17:22:29] kazan: g++ -o mythuitest main.o test1.o btnlisttest.o moc_test1.o -L/usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythui -lmythui-0.19 -lmyth-0.19 -lfreetype -lmp3lame -lasound -ldvdnav -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lqt-mt -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
[17:22:37] kazan: horray for vnc copy+paste working for once
[17:23:04] hashbang: kazan: try running that command line manually, adding -L/usr/lib
[17:23:45] kazan: i'm just going to add that to the makefile for that dir
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[17:24:14] kazan: didn't do squat..
[17:24:34] kazan: g++ -o mythuitest main.o test1.o btnlisttest.o moc_test1.o -L/usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib -L/usr/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythui -lmythui-0.19 -lmyth-0.19 -lfreetype -lmp3lame -lasound -ldvdnav -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lqt-mt -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
[17:24:35] kazan: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[17:24:35] kazan: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[17:24:38] kazan: which is odd
[17:24:39] Pitchin_uk: any ideas why my connection keeps getting reset??
[17:24:43] kazan: because i didn't have this problem before
[17:24:46] kazan: Pitchin_uk: bad isp?
[17:25:42] kazan: and it can find GLU
[17:25:45] kazan: which is in the same director
[17:25:48] kazan: directory*
[17:25:52] Pitchin_uk: not to sure – im on a business package so i wouldn't of thought so
[17:26:03] kazan: Pitchin_uk:hahahahaha
[17:26:12] ** kazan chortles. **
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[17:28:05] hashbang: kazan: run with under strace -efile -f
[17:29:04] kazan: ?
[17:29:12] kazan: strace -elibGL.so -f ?
[17:29:19] hashbang: kazan: no, gcc
[17:29:25] hashbang: /g++
[17:30:20] kazan: ?
[17:30:45] hashbang: strace -efile -f g++ ...
[17:30:50] kazan: strace -efile -f g++ -o mythuitest main.o...
[17:30:51] kazan: ok
[17:31:28] kazan: what am i looking for in this output
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[17:32:22] kazan: [pid 8531] open("/usr/lib/libGLU.so", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 11
[17:32:30] hashbang: kazan: look for where it's looking for libGL.so and see what happens
[17:32:45] kazan: [pid 8531] open("/usr/lib/libGL.so", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[17:32:56] hashbang: there's your answer.
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[17:33:12] Codeman|: hello
[17:33:13] kazan: ooooh
[17:33:15] kazan: bingo
[17:33:16] kazan: got it
[17:33:19] kazan: an alias is missing
[17:33:28] Codeman|: happy eastern
[17:33:29] hashbang: strace++
[17:33:33] kazan: libGL.so.1 exists alias to libGL.so.1.2
[17:33:36] kazan: but no libGL.so
[17:34:00] hashbang: kazan: go and catch yourself a whole boatfull of fish. :-)
[17:34:41] kazan: pwnd
[17:34:44] kazan: thanks guys
[17:34:50] kazan: i should have noticed that before
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[17:35:31] Codeman|: have someone work with mini itx?
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[17:44:47] kazan: any of the devs on?
[17:44:58] kazan: (IE at your keyboards reading)
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[17:51:33] xris: kazan: wtf with the code paste?
[17:53:44] kazan: diff
[17:53:57] kazan: that's a patch that needs to be applied to mythplugins in .19-fixes
[17:53:58] kazan: i have more
[17:54:04] kazan: i'll post it in the dev list in a bit
[17:54:26] kazan: grrr isn't there an option for cp to overwrite without asking
[17:59:01] Beirdo: man cp
[18:00:12] kazan: -f was ignored
[18:01:01] Beirdo: how about removing the stupid alias that has -i
[18:01:10] kazan: ?
[18:02:10] Beirdo: type alias
[18:02:22] Beirdo: I'd bet that there's one:
[18:02:34] Beirdo: alias cp="cp -i"
[18:03:42] kazan: yup
[18:04:07] kazan: and mv and rm
[18:04:35] kazan: where are those set
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[18:05:15] Beirdo: likely somewhere in the system bashrc or profile
[18:06:24] kazan: (grr stupid /) /etc/bashrc and /etc/profile don't seem to have em
[18:06:37] Beirdo: grep works
[18:06:48] Beirdo: also check the ones in the homedir of the user
[18:07:42] kazan: that's where it was in /root
[18:07:47] kazan: i didn't see then at first in ls -la
[18:08:05] kazan: ok seems it's up and running now
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[18:12:43] Glasswalkr: Ah shit...
[18:13:10] Glasswalkr: I had it working beautifully, but I turned on the splash boot, and now after rebooting it screwed my xserver
[18:13:20] Glasswalkr: how do I "undo" the splash boot thingie
[18:15:36] Klatuu: any reason I would see faint diagonal lines in LiveTV?
[18:19:47] Glasswalkr: Another problem, my motherboard doesn't store timezone, and so linux thinks my timezone is UTC which screws up the guide to be offset by a few hours... During setup I said eastern time, but it won't remember that setting for some reason...
[18:22:34] mishehu: bah.
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[18:28:31] kazan: anyone else want to bludgeon this Felix Rubinstein on the mailing list?
[18:29:26] main2: what where the two port numbers myth is using?
[18:29:35] main2: (backend /serverside)
[18:30:11] ** scopeuk draws his 12 gauge **
[18:30:41] main2: 6543 and 6544
[18:32:44] main2: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[18:32:46] main2: lawl
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[18:41:35] main2: uhmm, i dont understand this -my frontend is able to connect to the mysql db on my server
[18:42:09] main2: the ip of the database is setup for the frontend, but it tries to connect to the backend on 127.0.0.1..
[18:42:32] main2: what config is used to set the ip of the backend?
[18:43:13] SarahEmm: it's in mythsetup on the backend
[18:43:29] main2: do i have to run 'mythtv-setup' on my 'frontend machine also?
[18:43:53] geoff__998e: geoff__998e on an nforce 4 chipset, will I have to use the nvidia driver in order to get the 8 channel sound to work?
[18:43:58] kazan: no main2
[18:44:03] kazan: i don't believe so
[18:44:06] SarahEmm: main2: no
[18:44:07] kazan: jsut go into the setup menu in frontend
[18:44:08] main2: k
[18:44:23] main2: ive set the ip right, but its only for the db i think
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[18:44:32] main2: (in the mythfrontend..)
[18:45:23] SarahEmm: right
[18:45:29] SarahEmm: you need to set it on the backend with mythsetup too
[18:45:35] SarahEmm: the frontend logs into the DB, and gets the IP from that
[18:47:41] main2: k thnx, just changed it :)
[18:49:54] kazan: RaYmAn-Bx: doesn't happen in tvtime – i figure it was this bug * Fixed occasional timeouts with ivtv drivers by reopening device on error
[18:51:17] main2: K, when i switch to 'watch tv' -> i see a black screen for a sec, and then it goes back into the main menu
[18:51:31] main2: i havent setup the channels, or populated the db
[18:51:40] main2: :)
[18:51:46] xris: main2: might want to do that first
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[18:51:58] main2: xris, yes i need to do that now
[18:52:10] main2: but i was lazy this afternoon, its probably a hell of a job
[18:52:25] xris: huh? piece of cake
[18:52:32] main2: really?
[18:52:48] main2: (im not sitting in front of my servers, is this a problem / i ssh and vnc)
[18:52:50] kazan: setup datadirect @ zap2it
[18:53:00] kazan: then run mythfilldatabase after you tell mythtv-setup about it
[18:53:02] xris: yeah. run mythtv-setup, fill out the info, run mythfilldatabase
[18:53:13] xris: main2: ssh with x forwarding for mythtv-setup — works fine
[18:53:15] main2: im dutch, should i really use zap2it? :)
[18:53:26] xris: well, then you use xmltv.
[18:53:32] xris: it's still all in mythtv-setup
[18:53:35] main2: yes, i tried that
[18:53:47] main2: then it said that i have to populate the db my self :')
[18:53:56] main2: si thats why i said- hell of a job :D
[18:55:08] xris: no xmltv?
[18:55:20] main2: well my country is in the list
[18:55:22] main2: 'HOLLAND'
[18:55:36] main2: but after selecting it, it said that it couldnt populate the db
[18:55:40] xris: ah, ick
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[18:55:43] main2: and that i had to do the channels by hand :S
[18:56:03] main2: i had to configure channels by hand, its a crappy job
[18:56:15] psofa: is it a known issue the mixer controls not working when using alsa output
[18:56:15] main2: feels to far back in time :O
[18:56:16] psofa: ?
[18:56:19] xris: you might try searching the -users mailing list archives for other people posting about NL issues. I know you're not the only one there using mythtv
[18:56:35] main2: good idea xris :0
[18:56:37] main2: :)
[18:56:38] psofa: main2, what channels? dvb-s?
[18:56:39] main2: not :)
[18:56:45] main2: no, psofa normal analog
[18:57:15] main2: we have dvb, but i dont have a dvb tuner – just normal analog hauppauge 150mce (el cheapo)
[18:57:27] psofa: main2, there are analog tvscanning utils
[18:57:33] main2: (we have a normal dvb tuner, under the widescreen :)
[18:57:38] psofa: i think tvtime can do it
[18:57:48] main2: psofa, i have a list with freq numbers
[18:57:51] main2: from my provider
[18:58:15] main2: still a crappy job, typing in 30 numbers+ names, yes im lazy
[18:58:26] main2: (worked almost the hole day)
[18:58:32] psofa: main2, when i tried it with an analog crappy card i didnt
[18:58:43] psofa: i had to use a scanning util
[18:58:45] main2: using xmltv?
[18:58:57] psofa: and i think mythfilldatabase can import such a list
[18:59:00] main2: scanning = as bad a using a list
[18:59:08] main2: =)
[18:59:13] psofa: *import*
[18:59:38] main2: i found something :) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XmlTv#Netherlands
[19:00:27] main2: getting the list is easy i think
[19:00:42] main2: so i can import a xmltv file with mythfilldatabase/
[19:01:38] mchou: kazan: you happen to use firewire capture by any chance?
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[19:05:40] Merlin83a: Hi folks.
[19:06:19] mchou: hey xris, can you gimme a hand on firewire capture?
[19:06:55] xris: mchou: lol, it's contagious
[19:06:59] xris: what do you need?
[19:07:13] mchou: what does your plugreport look like?
[19:07:28] ** kazan is reading /. **
[19:07:34] ** kazan is so tired of "For the children!" laws **
[19:07:45] mchou: mine is lame. it just says Host Adapter 0
[19:07:45] mchou: ==============
[19:07:51] kazan: s/the children/big brother
[19:07:59] mchou: xris: and that's it
[19:08:08] kazan: mchou: no i don't have firewire capture, not even a port
[19:08:17] mchou: kazan: ok, thx
[19:08:34] xris: mchou: did you read the firewire section of jarod's guide?
[19:08:45] mchou: xris: linky pls?
[19:08:50] xris: google wilsonet mythtv
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[19:09:38] xris: he has a few modprobe tricks there... and the thing I noticed with fc3 (not with fc5) is that the firewire bus often didn't get scanned during boot, so if I rebooted, I had to un/plug the firewire cable to get it to show up
[19:10:30] mchou: xris: what ver of libiec libraw libavc you using?
[19:10:59] xris: libraw1394–1.2.0–3.fc5.2
[19:11:14] xris: libiec61883-devel-1.0.0–10.fc5.2
[19:11:17] kazan: 4500 bitrate mpeg2 off ivtv card = harddrive hog
[19:11:27] kazan: 398meg in 10 minutes
[19:11:32] xris: libavc1394–0.5.1–2.2
[19:11:36] Merlin83a: Anyone got any bright ideas why a MythTV MPG file (recorded on DVB so straight dump of it basically) won't load into TMPGEnc as the first step in getting it onto DVD?
[19:11:44] kazan: bet it'll compress down nicely in transcode though
[19:11:50] xris: kazan: don't forget that it's vbr
[19:12:00] mchou: xris: ok, thx
[19:12:08] xris: Merlin83a: does tmpg understand transport streams?
[19:12:10] kazan: xris: aye – but 398meg in 10 minutes on a 60 minute show
[19:12:28] kazan: 2.4gb/h
[19:12:45] Merlin83a: xris: That is a good point. Any simple way to take the already recorded video and get the PS out of it?
[19:12:51] kazan: my transcodes were pushing this same show down to .3gb/hour after transcode – and the quality seemed fine
[19:13:14] kazan: when i added my pvr500 it seems my transcode settings were lost
[19:13:19] kazan: not sure if i have em matched up
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[19:13:33] mchou: xris: how many stbs did comcast give you?
[19:13:52] kazan: when i transcoded American Inventor (blargh fiancee's shows) it stayed about 1gb/hr instead of the ~300meg/hour i got from ST:DS9 yesterday
[19:14:12] xris: mchou: one digital, one HD (had to pay for the HD box)
[19:15:39] mchou: xris: I dont get the diff. one was presumably a DCT-6200, the other?
[19:16:08] xris: the other is just some random cable box. I don't have an hd tv, so didn't need to pay the extra $5 for an hd box
[19:17:08] mchou: xris: and you got the fw plugged to the dct-6200, correct?
[19:17:28] xris: yes
[19:17:35] mchou: xris: ok, cool
[19:17:48] xris: only rf/composite on the other box
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[19:18:00] mchou: xris: what firewire chip on your comp?
[19:18:17] mchou: I suspect my crappy via fw chip......
[19:18:19] xris: not a clue. original asus pundit, so probably something SiS
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[19:18:42] kazan: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg
[19:18:52] kazan: i think updating to .19.1 from .19 didn't fix my issue with ivtv recording
[19:19:08] mchou: xris: can you do an lspci to your box? :)
[19:19:18] mchou: xris: should tell ya
[19:19:20] psofa: can i ask what important fixes are in post0.19?
[19:19:21] xris: 00:02.3 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] FireWire Controller
[19:19:29] mchou: xris: ok, thx
[19:19:43] xris: everything on that box is onboard
[19:19:53] mchou: xris: yeah, cool
[19:19:54] jonK: question: I've been building a new system for a backend/frontend. I currently have been using a pvr350 tvout for video. IF I wanted to switch to a s-video out for a tv card, how much better/worse should I expect for picture quality?
[19:20:00] kazan: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:20:06] kazan: sone of a farking biznatch
[19:20:21] xris: jonK: depends on the card. nvidia 6200 should be about the same or slightly better (because it's svideo vs composite)
[19:20:25] main2: xris, the tvguide in holland is 'copyrighted' or something like that
[19:20:33] xris: shouldn't be noticeably one way or the other, though
[19:20:40] main2: its not allowed to spread a guide for download......
[19:20:59] main2: you can buy drugs here... but you cannot share the tvguide :')
[19:21:00] mchou: jonK: nah, forget about it. s-vid is not really an improvement
[19:21:02] xris: main2: it is in the US, too.. that's why xmltv used to rip it from the website that owns the copyrights.
[19:21:06] kazan: my mythtv system just went down for a second, completely out of contact
[19:21:11] main2: we do the same xris
[19:21:16] kazan: and when it comes back up it opens a second video file for the show that was recording
[19:21:20] jonK: xris, i can get whatever, just want the bette pic, it's why i went with the 350 in the first place
[19:21:20] kazan: i think it actually hard rebooted
[19:21:22] xris: main2: then xmltv should work fine
[19:21:27] mchou: jonK: in fact most vid card svid-out are a joke
[19:21:28] main2: a python script, is now ripping it for me from tvgids.nl
[19:21:35] xris: jonK: get an nvidia card with component plugs. :)
[19:21:36] kazan: yup
[19:21:38] jonK: for inputs it's what I have
[19:21:38] kazan: up 3 minutes
[19:21:49] jonK: or rca's
[19:21:55] kazan: why the heck would recording from ivtv cards be causing random reboots
[19:21:58] kazan: when bttv isn't
[19:22:00] mchou: jonK: definitely not synonymous w/ quality
[19:22:44] xris: kazan: unstable driver?
[19:22:49] mchou: jonK: what inputs you got on your tv set?
[19:22:54] jonK: I agree, but it's what I have until I get new tv
[19:23:07] jonK: the tv i'm talking about is old, rca's only
[19:23:28] xris: jonK: then stick with what you have and save money
[19:23:31] jonK: my other tv, little better, has s-vid, and rca's and get this, two inputs!
[19:23:39] mchou: jonK: yeah, you wont see any difference. if anything, svid probably worse
[19:23:56] jonK: xris, I would, but I'm thinking about video and game
[19:23:56] SarahEmm: heh, if i unplug the cable TV from my bttv card while myth is recording i get a kernel panic..
[19:24:06] mchou: lol
[19:24:09] xris: jonK: won't help if the tv can't handle it
[19:24:28] jonK: but the 350 i thought had trouble with dvd's and mythgame
[19:24:46] kazan: xris: possibly
[19:24:48] jonK: so even for a near lateral move in picture quality, i may get more feature availablity
[19:25:15] xris: true
[19:25:19] jonK: I saw something in the wiki about a pre-emptive kernel would cuase ivtv to randomly reboot a machine, could that be your problem?
[19:25:33] xris: if you want a new card, I'd recommend an nvidia 6200.. and get one with a component adapter for if/when you get a new tv
[19:25:54] jonK: at some point i'll crack and get the "50 plasma
[19:26:09] kazan: eww
[19:26:12] mchou: xris: how much are those 6200 generally?
[19:26:18] kazan: possible DMA issue with VIA motherboards (IVTV mailing list)
[19:26:25] jonK: I'm afraid I'd be out riding my bike thinking about how I just spent a bunch of cash on a tv — damnit go home and watch it!
[19:26:32] xris: mchou: $50 or so, I think
[19:26:35] mchou: jonK: haha!!
[19:26:35] kazan: could bad pci latency settings be causing it?
[19:26:39] psofa: xris, actually one that would get a new tv would probably get hdmi
[19:26:42] jonK: kazan: that's why I'm building a new backend — getting rid of VIA mboard
[19:26:45] kazan: (IE to aggressve [high])
[19:26:51] mchou: psofa: hdmi is evil
[19:26:58] psofa: mchou, sure
[19:27:10] xris: mchou: huh? hdmi is just dvi+audio
[19:27:18] psofa: but be assured that everyone will get one
[19:27:19] mchou: xris: + HDCP
[19:27:28] xris: hdcp is evil, yes...
[19:27:34] xris: hdmi != hdcp, though
[19:27:46] psofa: yes i meant hdcp
[19:27:56] mchou: hdmi is a superset of HDCP :)
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[19:28:09] psofa: is there any interesting fix in 0.19 fixes?
[19:28:12] kazan: hmm
[19:28:17] kazan: pre-emptive kernel locks can cause it
[19:28:23] kazan: any way to tell if those are enabled?
[19:28:27] mchou: or I should say hdmi contains hdcp
[19:28:38] jonK: be in your kenel config file
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[19:29:16] kazan: where would that be on FC5 (i didn't compile my kernel)
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[19:29:36] jonK: geforce 62000 HDTV out svid out, 53.00 newegg pny
[19:30:02] jonK: cept it has an obboard fan, which means more noise, i'd like to avoid this option
[19:30:05] xris: mchou: hdcp is the copy protection mechanism that will someday be used over hdmi wires (and DVI, too, btw)... has nothing to do with hdmi itself, though.
[19:31:11] jonK: kazan, unsure where for fc
[19:32:05] xris: kazan: fc5 has no issues with ivtv
[19:32:09] mchou: jonK: that's a pretty good price though
[19:32:11] xris: which version of ivtv are you using, btw?
[19:32:42] xris: jonK: $30 or so for a nice zalman vga cooler. almost completely silent.
[19:32:46] jonK: there were others for less, but not with teh HDTV out
[19:32:53] xris: I can't hear mine over the btx cpu cooler, which is also near-silent.
[19:33:12] jonK: and newegg just sent me a bad ddr module so f them anyway
[19:33:17] xris: ick
[19:33:21] xris: check zipzoomfly?
[19:33:46] jonK: no my pants are done up, but thanks
[19:33:58] mchou: jonK: really?? what brand RAM was this?
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[19:34:14] jonK: gigaram, 2 1gb dual channel modules
[19:34:28] jonK: they looked shiny in the pictures
[19:34:37] mchou: jonK: never heard of them
[19:34:39] jonK: i put them in and it read as only 1 gb
[19:34:50] jonK: swapped, same, pulled one, same
[19:34:54] mchou: jonK: lol
[19:34:58] jonK: tried the other one, would not post
[19:35:06] jonK: tried other one in another system, would not post
[19:35:22] mchou: jonK: well, at least that was a definitive failure :)
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[19:35:49] mchou: jonK: imaging if you had to use memtest to find those pesky ones :)
[19:36:27] jonK: bah I just want my TB system all put together
[19:36:38] jonK: although, I'm going to nuke all the recordings on two drives to do it
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[19:38:16] main2: fsck.. it will probably take about 3hours to get a whole xmltv listing
[19:39:05] main2: what would happen if i ctrl+break the python script, so i only have a part of the listing? :/
[19:39:18] main2: (and then load it into the db)
[19:39:20] mchou: jonK: you gonna return both sticks or just 1 stick of ram?
[19:40:34] mchou: goddamn crappy firewire card
[19:41:11] jonK: i dont know... I've sent their customer service an email. No response yet, I am interested though cuase I've bought a ton of crap from them, this is the first return
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[19:41:54] kazan: if a file gets split up due to random reboots what does myth do when it transcodes? merge them?
[19:41:56] mchou: jonK: I dunno, that's a tough call. But I'd probably return both sticks
[19:42:07] jonK: I assume I'll have to — sold as a pair
[19:42:35] mchou: jonK: go get some REAL memory :)
[19:42:41] xris: kazan: they're separate recordings at that point
[19:42:48] jonK: such as? open to suggestions --
[19:42:49] kazan: ewwww
[19:42:56] kazan: that's what they're showing up as on the recorded programs page
[19:43:03] kazan: cruftness :(
[19:43:07] kazan: wtfh is w/ these reboots
[19:43:22] mchou: jonK: look in your mobo manual for certified mem :)
[19:44:26] mchou: shit, this firewire thing is pissing me off
[19:44:41] mchou: I dunno wtf is wrong
[19:44:43] jonK: but gigaram sounded like such a good brand-- like edgeco or cutcom
[19:44:51] jonK: interslice
[19:44:58] mchou: wonder if comcast enabled the 1394 port
[19:45:07] main2: can i use mythtv while its pulling with mythfilldatabase?
[19:45:12] SarahEmm: lol jonK!
[19:45:33] mchou: jonK: how about ripco
[19:45:35] SarahEmm: hyperglobalcompumeganet!
[19:45:45] SarahEmm: mchou: it's a simpsons quote.
[19:45:58] mchou: SarahEmm: ahh....
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[19:46:55] mchou: I cant believe I'm not getting crap even from plugreport
[19:46:56] xris: mchou: you get nothing when following jarod's modprobe stuff?
[19:47:02] ** kazan wonders wtfh these reboots weren't happening during livetv **
[19:47:17] xris: and unplug/replug the firewire cable?
[19:47:20] mchou: xris: all that stuff is modprobed already
[19:47:30] xris: mchou: there was something to put into modules.conf
[19:47:32] jonK: I just get lockups if i try to watch live tv
[19:47:35] Anduin: kazan: conspiracy
[19:47:44] mchou: xris: yup. repowered the DCT box too
[19:47:47] jonK: and get lockups eventually period
[19:47:54] jonK: when trying to start a recording
[19:48:09] xris: mchou: maybe it's disabled
[19:48:22] xris: you have another firewire device you can use to make sure the port on the computer works ok?
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[19:49:00] mchou: I suspect it's disabled but dont have another fw device to check :(
[19:49:23] xris: well, time to call comcast and bitch
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[19:49:40] mchou: can I loopback to firewireports to check??
[19:49:44] xris: I made sure they knew I wanted the firewire port enabled when I ordered.
[19:49:45] mchou: two*
[19:49:48] xris: no clue
[19:50:00] xris: you could do two computers for sure, though
[19:50:12] mchou: I'm going to give it a shot
[19:51:43] mchou: crap.
[19:51:59] mchou: loop back on the same comp didnt seem to do jack
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[19:53:13] kazan: shit there went my box again
[19:55:25] jonK: uh-oh!
[19:55:51] jonK: xris, you somehow assume that is relevant to their operation
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[19:56:53] hashbang: IME, linux+firewire=p00p. :-(
[19:57:18] jonK: that what they call "new math" hashbang?
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[19:57:47] jonK: and does anyone know some speciics of how google indexes webpages?
[19:57:51] mchou: hashbang: there is nothing wrong w/ linux firewire
[19:57:51] kazan: anyone know where FC5 kernel .src.rpm's actually put the source?
[19:58:57] hashbang: mchou: well, I know of at least one 1394 bug that's still not fixed in the mainstream kernel. Caused by buggy VIA hardware, admittedly, but...
[19:59:05] hashbang: kazan: /usr/src/redhat
[19:59:13] kazan: ty
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[19:59:24] hashbang: kazan: do rpmbuild -bp /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/kernel-2.6.spec to prepare the source tree
[19:59:27] mchou: hashbang: I have that same crap via 1394 chip
[20:00:01] mchou: hashbang: you use firewire?
[20:00:11] jonK: it's why i am switching to an nvida nforce board
[20:00:21] mchou: hashbang: on your linux box that is
[20:00:24] hashbang: "Hi, What are you?" "I'm a VIA 1394 host adaptor!" "Great, what's your maximum transfer size?" "Uh, 2." "2 bytes?!" "Uh, no, shit, I meant 2Kbytes. Sorry."
[20:00:37] mchou: jonK: nah, I was referring to via 1394 chip
[20:00:58] kazan: hashbang: i'm trying to check the config to see if preemptive locking is enabled
[20:01:00] mchou: hashbang: yeah. I get that same crap msg
[20:01:30] jonK: mchou:still good excuse to upgrade whole system
[20:01:31] mchou: I might go to Frys to pick up a real firewire card
[20:01:34] hashbang: mchou: I tried with some USB2/1394 HDD caddies from Sumvision. They use the Prolific chipset, though, and with a buggy firmware, and with flash chips that aren't reprogrammable in-circuit. Hence, I've given up on 1394.
[20:01:47] jonK: even if newegg can suckit for sending me crap memory
[20:01:59] mchou: hashbang: lol. Prolific is the suck
[20:01:59] hashbang: the Prolific 1394 chipsets don't even work right under Windows.
[20:02:22] jonK: oh-well, i belive the current phrase is — snakes on a plane
[20:02:39] mchou: hashbang: linky to caddies? are thse mobile racks?
[20:02:40] hashbang: mchou: a Mac friend said "Uh, 1394 is all good and fairly high end, so you don't need to be terribly careful of what you buy"
[20:02:50] mchou: hashbang: haha!!
[20:02:52] hashbang: I took him at his word, and ended up with shite.
[20:03:03] kazan: hashbang: can overly high PCI Latency timers cause random reboots?
[20:03:06] hashbang: Oxford Semi is the way to go for 1394->ATA
[20:03:11] mchou: hashbang: mac ppl dont have to deal with winblows HW
[20:03:38] hashbang: mchou: well, a lot of it is transferring across.
[20:03:52] hashbang: kazan: no idea. Conceivably, I guess so.
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[20:04:26] hashbang: kazan: I don't usually bother tuning PCI latency – I let the devices and the BIOS fight it out, but I did on my myth box. No obvious gains, no obvious losses.
[20:04:27] kazan: well
[20:04:42] kazan: i commented out the setpci calls before last crash
[20:04:46] kazan: so let's see if that fixes it
[20:05:29] hashbang: kazan: more likely to be a) crappy power b) crappy memory c) crappy chipset d) crappy non-Free driver e) hardware fault (bad capacitors, cracked tracks etc.)
[20:05:34] kazan: i hate my harddrive set to 0xFF and everything else involved in 0x80
[20:05:41] kazan: this crashing doesn't happen under BTTV
[20:05:44] kazan: power is good
[20:05:48] kazan: memory shuold be good
[20:05:51] kazan: chipset is via
[20:05:58] mchou: hashbang: know any good usb/firewire mobile racks?
[20:06:00] hashbang: # grep setpci /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[20:06:00] hashbang: /sbin/setpci -s 00:1f.1 latency_timer=b0
[20:06:00] hashbang: /sbin/setpci -s 02:0c.0 latency_timer=b0
[20:06:00] hashbang: /sbin/setpci -s 01:00.0 latency_timer=80
[20:06:01] kazan: video card is ATI using fglrx – never had problems
[20:06:15] kazan: hashbang: what devices are those?
[20:06:22] hashbang: kazan: the first two are ATA controllers, the last is my nV 440MX.
[20:06:33] kazan: ATI card sets itself to max
[20:06:58] hashbang: kazan: yeah, same with the 440MX, but nV recommend 128.
[20:06:58] hashbang: ==0x80.
[20:07:53] hashbang: mchou: http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=370 # that's the one I bought, with the Prolific chipset
[20:07:58] kazan: hmm
[20:08:02] hashbang: mchou: USB works fine.
[20:08:07] kazan: without those set PCIs i'm getting more responsiveness out of mythweb
[20:08:16] kazan: my crashes would happen when i was using mythweb
[20:08:18] kazan: wonder if it was pci timers
[20:08:21] xris: mchou: :( time to try a new firewire card?
[20:08:57] hashbang: mchou: you can get them with a USB-only Prolific chipset for a few GBP cheaper, so you might as well get those instead, if you can find them.
[20:09:10] hashbang: mchou: if you must have 1394, get something with the OxSemi chipset.
[20:09:28] hashbang: mchou: they're about 2–3x the price of those Prolific-based ones.
[20:09:48] hashbang: mchou: but of course, some vendors just sell Prolific-based caddies with a huge margin.
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[20:13:06] kazan: something wrong with the users list?
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[20:14:11] Anduin: kazan: Did you send something and it didn't make it through?
[20:14:15] kazan: aye
[20:14:23] kazan: from my subscribed addy
[20:14:32] kazan: accidentally sent something dev from an unsubscribed addy earlier
[20:14:37] kazan: but i just resent it
[20:14:40] mchou: xris: yeah, I think I'll go try a new fw card. at the very minimum it will help me troubleshoot
[20:15:08] mchou: but I just doscovered something strange
[20:15:14] xris: ?
[20:15:19] xris: mchou: at least firewire cards are cheap
[20:15:20] kazan: anyone in here using a turtle beach card?
[20:15:23] hashbang: mchou: ISTR TI do good 1394 adaptor chipsets.
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[20:15:37] mchou: if I power on the DCT box with the fw plugged it it wont start
[20:16:00] hashbang: mchou: Maybe it's trying to use your myth box as a hard disc and boot from it?! ;-)
[20:16:02] mchou: the DCT wont power up
[20:16:16] mchou: hashbang: haha, no doubt :)
[20:16:20] hashbang: a la Apple.
[20:16:28] xris: mchou: that's definitely weird. I have no trouble like that with mine
[20:16:37] hashbang: oh, there's one neat thing about 1394
[20:16:50] hashbang: 1394 devices can autonomously DMA into the computer's memory
[20:17:09] SarahEmm: hehe
[20:17:13] SarahEmm: i've seen a demo of that on the mac ;)
[20:17:15] hashbang: meaning it's conceivable that you could 0wn a machine simply by plugging in a specially-made 1394 device
[20:17:18] mchou: hashbang: that's the "advantage"
[20:17:27] mchou: :)
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[20:17:32] bsf: anyone have any luck getting pvr-350 tvout to work on FC5?
[20:17:34] feld: hashbang: didnt i just see you in #perl last night?
[20:17:38] ** xris ponders what to do with his HD antenna now that it's not being used **
[20:17:45] bsf: everything else works on this card, except tvout. I get a black screen as long as saa7127 is loaded, but nothing else works.
[20:17:49] feld: or am I on crack
[20:17:54] mchou: xris: send it over to me :)
[20:18:06] SarahEmm: wooooooo
[20:18:12] hashbang: SarahEmm: yup, I think it was demo'ed at cansec-west
[20:18:12] hashbang: feld: not me, though I am on irc.perl.org in a different chan.
[20:18:12] SarahEmm: X11R7 and myth 0.19 installed
[20:18:15] SarahEmm: *fingers crossed*
[20:18:30] mchou: xris: did you know that comcast charges $6.95 +$5 if you want a 2nd DCT-6200?
[20:18:36] feld: hashbang: is that a really good network for perl info?
[20:18:40] xris: $4.95 + $5 for me
[20:18:48] mchou: xris: that's a ripoff
[20:19:18] mchou: for $10/mo I'd rather go buy another fusionHDTV
[20:19:26] kazan: i'm sure i'm going to jinx myself – but i think i fixed it
[20:19:34] hashbang: feld: dunno, my local LUG has its chan there. I'm not a perl hax0r.
[20:19:35] xris: mchou: it's all about the non-hd channels for me
[20:19:43] feld: hashbang: ok
[20:19:51] mchou: xris: yeah, same here
[20:20:27] xris: with my current setup, it's still less than I'd be paying for dish.
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[20:22:05] mchou: xris: holy shit, I get espn but I'm not subscribed
[20:22:46] xris: not bad
[20:22:58] xris: we only have one package here... "everything"... and then the premium channels
[20:23:20] mchou: xris: nah. That's against the law
[20:23:30] xris: mchou: huh? no it's not
[20:23:38] mchou: xris: they are supposed to offer you "limited basic"
[20:23:53] mchou: which is pretty much JUST locals
[20:23:56] xris: yeah. but for digital, there's only "everything"
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[20:24:12] xris: there are other packages for analog
[20:24:24] SarahEmm: wow, that was painless.
[20:24:28] xris: can't not-get stuff like espn, though
[20:24:37] mchou: xris: what do you mean by "digital?" I get HDTV locals only, as an example
[20:24:40] SarahEmm: i expected moving to .19 to be a Big Deal heh
[20:25:19] xris: mchou: I don't think I can get just locals in HD
[20:25:24] mchou: xris: so I pay like $14 + $5 for the HDTV STB
[20:25:34] mchou: xris: sure you can. Per FCC
[20:25:51] xris: mchou: fcc ala carte stuff referred to premium channels only
[20:26:04] mchou: xris: FCC says you get all locals
[20:26:17] xris: I *can* get locals... just not digital. at least, not as a listed package
[20:26:23] mchou: over firewire or clear qam
[20:26:48] mchou: xris: it aint listed because that's "limited basic"
[20:26:58] mchou: xris: trust me on this one
[20:27:06] xris: "limited basic" for us is just analog
[20:27:32] mchou: when comcast says "digital" they mean "non-local" digital
[20:28:20] mchou: xris: "limited basic" is not just analog. It includes LOCAL HDTV
[20:28:36] mchou: iff you get Dct-6200
[20:28:45] xris: hmm
[20:28:49] xris: should tell kormoc
[20:29:46] mchou: for $20/mo it's not too bad
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[20:30:24] xris: esp. if you're actually getting more channels
[20:30:29] ** hashbang ports the estimate-cutsize patch for mythburn to CVS **
[20:30:42] mchou: xris: so far I've only found espn
[20:30:50] laga: hashbang: you involved with mythburn development?
[20:31:00] hashbang: laga: no, just using it.
[20:31:00] mchou: xris: could be a free promo period or something
[20:31:09] hashbang: laga: it needs some loving, but it's basically there.
[20:31:30] mchou: this DCT-6200 is hilarious
[20:31:39] laga: hashbang: ah, ok. BTW, there is a project called mythburn2 in the same cvs repo, written in python. i believe it's supposed to replace mythburn
[20:31:46] mchou: it has all broadcom chips inside
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[20:32:13] hashbang: laga: I've got it working, so I'm not keen to tinker too much, as it's a bit fragile.
[20:32:22] laga: hiya dopester :) long time no see
[20:32:34] hashbang: laga: mythburn really needs an all-in-one tool that converts from .nuv/DVB-T MPEG to DVD MPEG
[20:32:50] hashbang: laga: rather than using a byzantine combination of random tools, including ProjectX.
[20:32:51] laga: hashbang: fragile? you're telling me. it took me one or two days to get it working. i started to hack on it, but i quickly gave up after i was told about mythburn2.
[20:32:59] hashbang: hehe
[20:33:16] ** xris waves at dopester **
[20:33:20] laga: hashbang: mythtranscode may be the right tool, sometime in the future. the new lossless mpeg2 cutting stuff is great.
[20:33:23] mchou: hi dopester
[20:33:29] xris: cutlist-length patch?
[20:33:36] cschrader: if you have analog comcast and need a converter box – do you need to change channels on the box, or is the descrambler just like a dumb filter?
[20:33:42] cschrader: anyone doing this?
[20:33:51] hashbang: laga: really, mythburn is pretty much just a draft implementation, I think. The fact it actually works, mostly, is a bonus. :-)
[20:33:57] hashbang: xris: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func . . . ;atid=684700
[20:34:39] laga: hashbang: it's a very ugly hack :). it would be cool if mythburn would automagically stream media from different backends etc. i tend to confuse my nfs shares.. ;)
[20:35:13] hashbang: laga: I think also, it kinda breaks the BE/FE architecture of MythTV a fair bit, too.
[20:35:22] xris: hashbang: thanks. been wanting to add something like that to nuvexport. ):
[20:35:23] xris: :)
[20:35:28] hashbang: laga: but really, how else are you gonna do it?
[20:35:50] hashbang: xris: no worries.
[20:36:02] laga: hashbang: maybe integrate it into mfd or howevr it is called?
[20:36:36] hashbang: laga: I'll leave the re-architecting to the expurts. :-)
[20:36:48] mchou: holy shit. I get INHD too
[20:36:54] laga: hashbang: ;)
[20:37:16] hashbang: mchou: demo package? or accidentally stealing cable? ;-)
[20:38:02] laga: hashbang: i've ripped out the dvd writer from my myth box and put it in my desktop. now i'm gonna hack something that makes me nice DVDs, or maybe i'm gonna use tovid. dunno yet. it's really sad that there's no documentation regarding how to use mythburn via command line
[20:38:04] mchou: hashbang: no theft involved at all
[20:38:28] hashbang: mchou: just yankin' yer chain, man. :-)
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[20:40:02] Ubongo: hi all
[20:40:04] mchou: man, I should have junked those pvr150s long ago
[20:40:14] mchou: this is night and day
[20:40:23] ** hashbang wonders if Ubongo is running Ubuntu. :-) **
[20:40:25] mchou: in terms of picture quality
[20:40:35] Ubongo: what are you using now mchou?
[20:40:42] mchou: pvr150s are a joke
[20:40:47] Ubongo: lol....no....Mandriva
[20:40:57] SarahEmm: mchou: -500s are nice tho
[20:41:02] SarahEmm: at least, the specs are nice
[20:41:18] mchou: no, 500 are the same crap pq wise as 150s
[20:41:27] hashbang: Ubongo: there used to be a kids juice drink called 'Um-bongo' in the UK, which tends to be Ubuntu's nickname here.
[20:41:34] SarahEmm: but they're dual at least :P
[20:41:41] ** SarahEmm only has one PCI slot, so would love dual **
[20:41:55] mchou: Ubongo: I'm using motorola DCT6200
[20:41:56] Ubongo: oh...cool 8-)
[20:42:03] kazan: only one PCI slot
[20:42:04] kazan: wtf
[20:42:10] SarahEmm: kazan: my backend is an SFF box
[20:42:17] SarahEmm: one PCI one AGP
[20:42:19] mchou: cant believe how much difference in PQ there is
[20:42:22] hashbang: http://www.umbongo.com/
[20:42:31] hashbang: teh Intarweb++
[20:42:35] kazan: i cannot tell i'm running video through mythtv when doing LiveTV using my PVR-500s
[20:42:39] kazan: of course i have a SDTV
[20:43:01] ** SarahEmm pondering picking up a -250 now.. **
[20:43:05] SarahEmm: they're almost as much as a 500 tho :/
[20:43:08] kazan: why a -250?
[20:43:44] SarahEmm: myth supports captioning on the -250 and -350 encoders now. i'm running a bttv card now, and the CPU load decrease would be awesome
[20:43:48] kazan: apparently today is bring-the-rugrats-into-the-office day
[20:43:51] Ubongo: do you need to have myth frontend installed for mythweb to work?
[20:43:57] SarahEmm: Ubongo: no
[20:44:06] mchou: haha, I get Discovery HD too
[20:44:29] kazan: one developers wife brings his nefew, and our lead developers son in (she babysits) and she's pregnant
[20:44:40] SlicerDicer-: yay mythrecipe works!
[20:44:40] kazan: now our contractor's wife just came in with his two kids
[20:44:46] SlicerDicer-: mchou: got it goin in the kitchen :)
[20:44:49] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: O.O
[20:44:51] kazan: it's like... ruggrats in the office
[20:44:51] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: are you kidding?
[20:44:54] SlicerDicer-: no
[20:44:56] SarahEmm: *awesome*!
[20:44:57] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I need your help man
[20:45:02] SarahEmm: i need to install that :)
[20:45:02] SlicerDicer-: moment I will snap a pic
[20:45:22] SarahEmm: it's been the plan to mount a panel on the wall in the kitchen for awhile
[20:45:30] SarahEmm: mythrecipe sounds like a Good Thing :)
[20:46:07] SlicerDicer-: hehe it is pretty cool
[20:46:13] SlicerDicer-: I am importing 1000 recipes right now
[20:46:18] bsf: anyone have any luck getting pvr-350 tvout to work on FC5?
[20:46:23] SlicerDicer-: I think I will have a total of 10,000 or so
[20:46:30] SlicerDicer-: when I am done anyway
[20:46:31] Ubongo: I get a "database setup error" when I connect to mythweb...I've set the db_* variables and I can telnet to port 3306 on the machine that has the database.....any ideas??
[20:46:47] SlicerDicer-: Ubongo: modify the .htaccess?
[20:46:56] Ubongo: I did
[20:47:12] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: nifty :)
[20:47:26] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: i spend much of my life in the kitchen, mythrecipe sounds like a good idea :)
[20:47:32] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I decided to just make it a full on computer in the kitchen hehe
[20:47:38] SlicerDicer-: mchou: it does HDTV :)
[20:47:44] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nice
[20:47:53] SlicerDicer-: 17 inch screen
[20:47:57] mchou: SlicerDicer-: so you daisy chain your STBs?
[20:48:11] Ubongo: anything else I need to edit in .htaccess besides specifying the db_* variables and setting the authentication stuff?
[20:48:15] SlicerDicer-: mchou: not yet I got to run to comcast today and exchange a box they did not bring with firewire
[20:48:17] SlicerDicer-: so I can do it
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[20:48:55] mchou: SlicerDicer-: they can enable fw prot remotely (if the box is so equipped)
[20:49:02] mchou: port*
[20:49:03] SarahEmm: anyone here using TV-over-VDSL?
[20:49:04] ** kazan needs to get around to locking down his mythweb with access **
[20:49:26] kazan: (access controls)
[20:49:29] SlicerDicer-: mchou: its not equipped
[20:49:31] SlicerDicer-: thats the problem
[20:49:32] SlicerDicer-: haha
[20:49:37] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ok
[20:49:39] SlicerDicer-: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/kitchencomputer.jpg mchou check that out also SarahEmm
[20:49:51] mchou: SlicerDicer-: haha!!
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[20:49:58] SlicerDicer-: mchou: thats my old backend :) it got converted
[20:50:05] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you need to hide the comp
[20:50:06] kazan: nice
[20:50:08] SlicerDicer-: my new backend is that AMD64
[20:50:08] kazan: nerd++
[20:50:17] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: nice. i only have ~2ft of counter space total tho, so i'd mount a panel on the wall, and hide the box somewhere
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[20:50:37] SlicerDicer-: yeah mchou the problem is its a 1.4ghz thunderbird so I cant verywell stuff it anywhere out of sight or it will overheat and explode
[20:50:37] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I agree w/ SarahEmm
[20:50:41] hashbang: http://sourceforge.net/projects/parkinpants # anyone played with amp3mythtv?
[20:50:45] SarahEmm: what about me?
[20:51:16] SlicerDicer-: I could set the computer sideways behind it
[20:51:20] SarahEmm: ahh
[20:51:21] SlicerDicer-: the monitor that is
[20:51:45] SlicerDicer-: then I could still access the CD drive
[20:51:45] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ok, time to help me out
[20:51:49] SlicerDicer-: mchou: hehe
[20:51:59] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I'm serious
[20:52:03] SlicerDicer-: whats up?
[20:52:15] mchou: SlicerDicer-: need you to check some things for me :)
[20:52:18] SarahEmm: hmm, i could get some kind of very small box and just mount it on the wall with the monitor
[20:52:22] SarahEmm: maybe a diskless box
[20:52:27] SlicerDicer-: SarahEmm: get a mini-itx
[20:52:31] SlicerDicer-: that would do it
[20:52:39] mchou: SlicerDicer-: first: what firewire chip do you have in your box?
[20:52:41] SlicerDicer-: very small footprint and they exceed 1ghz
[20:52:56] SlicerDicer-: mchou: its being driven off of the firewire port on my audigy 2 on my backend
[20:53:07] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ok.
[20:53:42] mchou: SlicerDicer-: 2nd. What does output of "plugreport" look like for you?
[20:53:52] SlicerDicer-: momen t
[20:54:00] SarahEmm: SlicerDicer: yeah :) mount that on the wall with the monitor itself. a zero-counterspace zero-storagespace solution would rock. wireless keyboard i can stash somewhere
[20:54:41] SlicerDicer-: yeah the mini-itx if done right has a smaller footprint than the mac mini
[20:54:45] ** SarahEmm nods **
[20:54:52] SarahEmm: i don't think i even need a disk in this application
[20:54:53] mchou: SlicerDicer-: no way
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[20:55:01] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I have seen it done
[20:55:05] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QP8YJu69.html
[20:55:13] SlicerDicer-: thats my plugreport
[20:55:21] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ok, thx
[20:55:29] SlicerDicer-: mchou: my local comptuer store has a ton of those mini-itx's built and they have a SMALL footprint
[20:55:35] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you've been a great help
[20:55:48] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am going to attempt to get it going with my onboard firewire
[20:55:58] SlicerDicer-: as it has a much larger bus than the audigy I bet
[20:56:07] SlicerDicer-: that may be what is giving me headaches
[20:56:18] mchou: SlicerDicer-: what chip is onboard firewire?
[20:56:19] SlicerDicer-: running HDTV through a soundcard just does not seem normal haha
[20:56:26] SlicerDicer-: mchou: not sure let me check
[20:56:46] SlicerDicer-: 02:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB82AA2 IEEE-1394b Link Layer Controller (rev 01)
[20:56:52] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nice
[20:56:58] SlicerDicer-: :)
[20:57:08] SlicerDicer-: its a good firewire port hehe
[20:57:09] SlicerDicer-: 02:0a.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 04)
[20:57:11] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you didnt cheap out on mobo :)
[20:57:13] SlicerDicer-: thats what I use currently for it
[20:57:16] SlicerDicer-: mchou: never do
[20:57:25] SlicerDicer-: mchou: minimum I spend on mobo's is about 200$
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[20:57:39] mchou: SlicerDicer-: too rich for my bolld :)
[20:57:44] mchou: blood*
[20:57:56] SlicerDicer-: well I consider it to be the heart of the computer
[20:58:03] SlicerDicer-: and the better the heart the better the computer
[20:58:21] mchou: SlicerDicer-: what mobo is this?
[20:58:30] SlicerDicer-: and I get tired of not being able to do things and I have to spend money on PCI or whatever and I end up spending more in the long run so like this I got the firewire just for the hell of it and look I use it!
[20:58:45] SlicerDicer-: mchou: gigabyte 939 ultra pro or something like that
[20:58:47] mchou: SlicerDicer-: hehe
[20:58:50] SlicerDicer-: with the DPS power system thing
[20:59:02] mchou: DPS? what's that?
[20:59:03] SlicerDicer-: makes a stable voltage core
[20:59:21] SlicerDicer-: some intel standard that makes the voltage not move at all as its passed through filters
[20:59:31] SlicerDicer-: mchou: give me moment
[20:59:33] Traxtopel: I am using an old haupage bt878 card with no onboard mpeg2, if I set it up to do post recording transcode, what format will be used?
[20:59:40] laga: sounds like marketing bullshit :)
[20:59:50] SarahEmm: Traxtopel: Why post-recording transcode if you're doing software encoding anyway?
[20:59:58] SarahEmm: (i'm using a similar card heh)
[21:00:11] SlicerDicer-: laga: when I look at the voltage on my gigabyte that is identical with it and without it there is a noticeable difference so its not really marketing its very stable
[21:00:35] Traxtopel: well, I am wondering can I set it up to output as mpeg2
[21:00:40] Traxtopel: so I can view elsewhere
[21:00:45] laga: SlicerDicer-: how do you look at it? lemme guess, this DPS thing is something you plug into the mainboard, right?
[21:00:52] SarahEmm: umm..... i don't think so, but not 100% sure
[21:01:04] SarahEmm: what do you mean 'view elsewhere'?
[21:01:10] SarahEmm: i view mpeg4 elsewhere..
[21:01:21] Traxtopel: right say using a another player
[21:01:26] Traxtopel: not mythtv
[21:01:35] Traxtopel: i.e. mplayer or media player
[21:01:35] SlicerDicer-: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . -K8NSNXP-939
[21:01:41] SlicerDicer-: laga: its hardwired onto the mobo
[21:02:04] mchou: SlicerDicer-: yeah, that's a nice board
[21:02:07] SarahEmm: Traxtopel: mplayer will, iirc, play myth's mpeg4... i know media player will because i use it here
[21:02:29] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am not sorry I got it though
[21:02:39] Traxtopel: do u get nuvs as output then?
[21:02:47] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you shouldnt be
[21:02:56] SarahEmm: Traxtopel: yep
[21:03:05] Traxtopel: but they are in mpeg4 format
[21:03:25] laga: SlicerDicer-: i see. with an additional fan. that'd annoy me. they should leave out the blingbling and make real boards, not stuff you can brag about on lan parties ;)
[21:03:35] SarahEmm: Traxtopel: right.
[21:03:45] SlicerDicer-: hehe laga I dont drag my mythbackend to lan parties :)
[21:03:53] Traxtopel: hmmm, need to check, why mplayer will not play these for me
[21:04:06] SarahEmm: you need it either built with a specific option or patched or something.
[21:04:09] laga: SlicerDicer-: well, see? ;))
[21:04:15] SarahEmm: with media player you need the dsmyth codec
[21:04:22] Traxtopel: hmmm, what have u defined to code as mpeg4, libmpeg4?
[21:04:28] SarahEmm: err, what?
[21:04:32] Traxtopel: I have all the codecs installed
[21:04:34] mchou: SlicerDicer-: where did you buy that board?
[21:04:40] SlicerDicer-: local store
[21:04:45] SarahEmm: i don't use mplayer myself for myth stuff, i just remember seeing that you can
[21:04:46] SarahEmm: i use wmp
[21:04:54] SlicerDicer-: actually it was in the closeout bin for 180$ marked down I scored
[21:05:03] Traxtopel: I mean, in your profile for recording
[21:05:06] mchou: alright off to buy new firewire card
[21:05:10] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[21:05:11] Traxtopel: u use default or one of the others right
[21:05:20] hashbang: laga: I saw similar things to DPS a while back; though back then, if you wanted the stability, you'd plug in a second voltage regulator module.
[21:05:28] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I buy most of my stuff locally incase it fails makes it easy to replace that day insted of mailing
[21:05:33] SlicerDicer-: DOA does happen
[21:05:58] SarahEmm: Traxtopel: umm, i don't remember :)
[21:05:58] mchou: SlicerDicer-: yeah, good plan
[21:06:04] SarahEmm: i set all that up like 3 years ago and haven't touched it since
[21:06:28] Traxtopel: wise
[21:06:36] xris: wow. I have nuvexport xvid encoding almost down to realtime
[21:06:51] Traxtopel: xris, how?
[21:06:59] xris: Traxtopel: no denoise, fast processor
[21:07:05] xris: and it's still about 1.5x
[21:07:09] Traxtopel: there u go
[21:07:15] xris: briefly forgot about commercial cutting
[21:07:42] Glasswalkr: I don't suppose anyone here is willing to point me in the right direction for gettin xine to work with libdvdcss so that I can actually watch dvds? I have been googling, and installed libdvdcss from source, and then reinstalled xine from source, but it still errors out with encrypted dvd playback unavailable
[21:07:52] laga: hashbang: yeah, i think that was either msi or gigabyte
[21:08:20] SlicerDicer-: xris: hi!
[21:09:40] SarahEmm: Glasswalkr: umm, that doesn't really have anything to do with myth..
[21:10:10] Glasswalkr: no it doesn't, but I am using mythdvd as an interface to play dvds on my settopbox
[21:10:22] Glasswalkr: xine is what myth uses as it's builtin dvdplayer :)
[21:10:55] Anduin: Glasswalkr: distro?
[21:11:18] Traxtopel: ok, switched it to mpeg4, see what happens
[21:11:26] Glasswalkr: knoppmyth
[21:11:26] Traxtopel: previously I had still rtjpeg
[21:11:34] Glasswalkr: latest (just downloaded it last night)
[21:11:43] Glasswalkr: just got it working today, and trying to finish the "fine tuning"
[21:12:33] Traxtopel: what is rtjpeg, some sort of mjpeg i.e. real time jpeg or raw ...
[21:12:52] SarahEmm: it's real time jpeg
[21:12:58] SarahEmm: it's very large files, not great quality
[21:13:00] SarahEmm: but low CPU
[21:13:03] SarahEmm: don't use it if you can avoid it :)
[21:13:08] ** kazan sighs **
[21:13:08] Traxtopel: right
[21:13:54] Traxtopel: I found the biggest issue I had setting this up was the sound, that was a pain since it was not in sync
[21:14:14] Glasswalkr: my biggest issue so far was tvout
[21:14:18] Glasswalkr: and now dvd :)
[21:14:30] Traxtopel: not that far yet, need to build a new machine before I go that way
[21:14:31] SarahEmm: my biggest issue so far was and is captioning/vbi support :P
[21:14:40] SarahEmm: there's almost no docs on it, and a bunch of it doesn't work so great.
[21:14:47] SMDBlink: my biggest issue so far is the whole freakin install
[21:14:58] SMDBlink: ive run into problem after problem
[21:15:06] Traxtopel: well I did mine in a day
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[21:15:11] SMDBlink: and im gentoo stupid so it doesnt help :(
[21:15:25] Traxtopel: still have one issue with mythweb to sort out, but its all running
[21:15:33] Glasswalkr: So yeah, anyone have any experience with xine and libdvdcss?
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[21:16:00] SlicerDicer-: SMDBlink: gentoo and myth are pretty simple really
[21:16:14] Traxtopel: u would think so, emerge mythtv
[21:16:21] SlicerDicer-: SMDBlink: did you go to wikifiy gentoo and read the howto?
[21:16:27] Traxtopel: then wait 3 weeks
[21:16:31] SlicerDicer-: lol
[21:16:42] SlicerDicer-: even on my 1.4ghz it only takes about a hour
[21:16:55] Traxtopel: hehe
[21:17:03] Anduin: Glasswalkr: The way libdvdread works, it should only fail if the css lib cannot be found.
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[21:17:38] xris: SlicerDicer-: not bad considering that it takes 20–30 mins to compile myth
[21:17:40] hashbang: Traxtopel: ha!
[21:18:11] SMDBlink: SlicerDicer-: yeah
[21:18:16] SMDBlink: thats what i was following
[21:18:24] ** kazan wonders what setting he porked when he added his PVR-500 that caused his final transcoded movies to be 3x larger than before **
[21:18:50] Traxtopel: I am kinda in 2 worlds to get a pvr-500 or the pvr-350
[21:19:07] SMDBlink: i think my tv card isnt working, anyone run me through the steps to see?
[21:19:49] Traxtopel: get it working with xawtv first
[21:19:54] Traxtopel: thats the easiest way
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[21:20:58] SMDBlink: xawtv...ok
[21:21:00] SMDBlink: ill try that
[21:21:54] hashbang: OK, anyone else think having lm_sensors and S.M.A.R.T. info in mythtv's system status box would be a good idea?
[21:22:18] ** kazan does **
[21:22:34] ** drdaz agrees **
[21:23:19] ** laga too **
[21:23:25] Traxtopel: the mpeg4 codec used by software encoders, is that from libmpeg4 or somthing else?
[21:23:33] kazan: ffmpeg i think
[21:23:35] Anduin: hashbang: There was a suggestion on the ACPI ticket.
[21:24:15] drdaz: I've got an issue with 0.19-fixes atm... when watching either liveTV or a recording, if I hit pause and then start playback, the video stutters like crazy
[21:24:33] Traxtopel: drdaz, sounds like a sound issue
[21:24:38] drdaz: ^^
[21:24:42] drdaz: really?
[21:24:42] hashbang: Anduin: yeah, I saw the ACPI stuff in SVN, but lots of machines don't give thermal info via ACPI
[21:24:43] Traxtopel: there is something I read about that
[21:24:44] Traxtopel: one sec
[21:25:42] Anduin: hashbang: Yeah, just suggesting that you work from there if adding it.
[21:26:57] hashbang: Anduin: lm_sensors is more common, IME.
[21:26:59] kazan: time for me to go home
[21:27:00] kazan: laterz a
[21:27:03] kazan: all*
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[21:27:25] Anduin: hashbang: It is, I agree, if you were going to add it though I'd try to lump it in with 1027.
[21:28:57] Traxtopel: typical when u try to find something, u can't
[21:29:04] drdaz: lol yeah
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[21:29:28] Traxtopel: did u try setting opengl
[21:29:39] drdaz: to off?
[21:29:46] Traxtopel: on
[21:29:50] drdaz: its on
[21:29:55] Traxtopel: ok
[21:30:10] drdaz: its the same with Standard, xvmc and libmpeg2 afaict
[21:30:15] Traxtopel: try googling on mythtv sound sync
[21:30:25] Traxtopel: thats how I foiunf what I needed
[21:31:32] drdaz: I take it you're not seeing the same issue then :) I ask since its quite recently it's started happening
[21:31:45] drdaz: not sure which revision it started on tho
[21:32:37] SlicerDicer-: SarahEmm: I just came up with a idea hehe
[21:32:48] drdaz: what surprises me a little is that the sound seems fine
[21:32:55] drdaz: its just the video that jerks
[21:33:13] SlicerDicer-: I am going to modify my cabnet below to have a 80mm hole in it and duct the heat out the back of the computer
[21:33:27] SlicerDicer-: and then I can prevent it from overheating by allowing it to breath
[21:33:36] alex777: will mythtv participate in Google's Summer of Code ?
[21:33:42] SMDBlink: when i cat /dev/video0 >> ~/test.mpg it makes that file, but its 0 bytes, so that means the tv card aint working properly right?
[21:33:49] hashbang: Anduin: just wondering about the best way to return an arbitrary amount of text from the backend
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[21:33:54] hashbang: Anduin: I was thinking about generating a temporary file with the info in, then getting the length of it in bytes, then sending that as the first line to the frontend, so it knows how much memory to allocate. How does that sound?
[21:34:07] bsf: if i'm getting IVTVFB_IOCTL_GET_STATE failed for both fb0 and fb1, what am i doing wrong?
[21:34:16] Anduin: SMDBlink: Which capture card?
[21:34:30] SMDBlink: happauge pvr-150
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[21:36:46] Anduin: hashbang: Do it the same way the other stuff is done.
[21:37:11] hashbang: Anduin: the other queries just seem to return single lines/numbers.
[21:37:18] Anduin: SMDBlink: Yes, that means your capture card isn't working yet (generally)
[21:37:55] SMDBlink: i have ivtv... and when i run ivtv-detect, it lists my card
[21:38:22] Anduin: SMDBlink: I have no idea what ivtv-detect does, dmesg, check the ivtv load.
[21:38:36] SMDBlink: oh
[21:38:51] Ubongo: anyone have mythweb setup on a machine from the one on which mythbackend is installed?
[21:39:07] Ubongo: separate machine*
[21:39:07] SMDBlink: well apparently im supposed to use ivtv as the drivers for my pvr-150
[21:39:52] SarahEmm: not i.. my web is on the BE... i still can't get mythweb 0.19 going tho, says DB setup error...
[21:40:11] Ubongo: exactly what I get....argh!
[21:40:42] SarahEmm: me too, and my BE is on the web box
[21:40:52] Anduin: SMDBlink: Yes, you are using the right driver, no it doesn't seem to be working, run dmesg, pastebin the results (just the bits about ivtv)
[21:40:52] SarahEmm: mod_env is loaded, the vars are set right, allowoverride is right...
[21:40:55] SarahEmm: not quite sure what's up.
[21:41:06] Ubongo: yup...sure are set right
[21:41:17] Ubongo: can't figure it out
[21:42:41] scopeuk: does anyone know where xmltv hide there error code list
[21:43:11] Anduin: scopeuk: Probably in the source.
[21:43:15] SMDBlink: ok
[21:43:26] scopeuk: helpful that is
[21:43:47] scopeuk: i can get two diferent ones 6400 or 512which is better :D
[21:44:03] scopeuk: i can get to 512 fro m6400 by update/back dating/changing the graber script
[21:44:34] SarahEmm: grr, google only finds people having the same issue with no answer
[21:44:41] scopeuk: yup
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[21:44:44] scopeuk: been tere seen it
[21:44:55] scopeuk: and no one postign help ever says what the error acctually means
[21:45:16] Ubongo: I've just about looked everywhere for a solution.....no cigar!
[21:46:08] scopeuk: Ubongo welcoem to the club
[21:47:09] SarahEmm: grr.
[21:47:37] SMDBlink: Anduin: http://pastebin.com/660407
[21:48:57] SarahEmm: well i found my problem
[21:49:01] SarahEmm: apache isn't passing the vars for some reason
[21:49:10] SarahEmm: _SERVER[db_*] isn't set
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[21:49:33] Ubongo: didn't you set them in the .htacces?
[21:49:36] SarahEmm: i did
[21:49:40] SarahEmm: but it's still not passing them to php
[21:49:42] Ubongo: hmmm....
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[21:51:27] SarahEmm: hrm
[21:51:30] SarahEmm: mod_env is loaded, but not working
[21:51:41] Ubongo: yup...
[21:52:38] Anduin: SMDBlink: Those missing i2c addresses would be bad.
[21:52:54] SMDBlink: yeah, i kinda figured that :(
[21:54:15] Ubongo: my httpd error log shows an "Undefined index: PATH_INFO in init.php"
[21:54:31] Anduin: SMDBlink: So you have the modules (saa7127.ko and wm8775.ko)?
[21:56:28] SarahEmm: bleh, screw it
[21:56:32] SarahEmm: there, that fixed it
[21:56:38] SarahEmm: hardcoded the stuff right in init.php
[21:56:41] SarahEmm: now it works :P
[21:56:59] Ubongo: what stuff did you hardcode in init.php?
[21:57:01] SarahEmm: uhh
[21:57:03] SarahEmm: no it doesn't.
[21:57:03] SarahEmm: :P
[21:57:06] Ubongo: lol
[21:57:09] SarahEmm: no db error, but i can't click anything
[21:57:19] Ubongo: uh oh
[21:57:34] SarahEmm: mod_rewrite isn't owkring now... wtf?
[21:57:39] SMDBlink: would i check for those under lsmod?
[21:58:06] Anduin: SMDBlink: sure, then locate (or look in your kernel modules directories)
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[21:58:53] SarahEmm: fixed. it all works now.
[21:59:02] SarahEmm: i had AllowOverrides for the parent dir of where mythweb is
[21:59:18] SarahEmm: but i had to put a seperate <Directory X> block in with the specific mythweb dir and allow it again
[21:59:20] SarahEmm: now it works
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[22:00:07] Ubongo: I have that already...what did you change in init.php?
[22:00:19] eidolon: wahoo! my knoppmyth install just let the 'weather' stuff work. that never worked before.
[22:00:25] eidolon: very cool 8)
[22:00:59] SarahEmm: in init.php i just added $_SERVER["db_name"] = mythconverg, etc, for each var
[22:01:24] Ubongo: ahhh....ok...I'll try that
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[22:01:39] Anduin: SarahEmm: You still needed that after the AllowOverrides correction?
[22:01:40] SarahEmm: it's Very, Very, Very slow though. not sure why
[22:01:48] SarahEmm: over 60 seconds to get a tv listing.
[22:01:52] SarahEmm: Anduin: nope.
[22:02:06] JustinS: Okay .. I've got it all installed .. but I'm unsure how to get it all working .. Right now mysql is wigging me out .. All my files are on my server and my media computer is pretty much media-less .. I'm following the gentoo wiki for myth .. but eselect mysql list doesn't show anything .. help?
[22:02:42] SarahEmm: bbiab :)
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[22:02:51] SMDBlink: is this where i should be looking: /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r1/kernel/lib
[22:03:02] Anduin: JustinS: people will be much more handy with eselect in the distro specific channel.
[22:03:40] Anduin: SMDBlink: Yes.
[22:03:57] SMDBlink: i only see libcrc32c.ko
[22:04:38] Anduin: SMDBlink: Yeah for building everything into the kernel, check your kernel config.
[22:04:51] SMDBlink: ok
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[22:06:48] SMDBlink: ok im in the kernel config
[22:06:58] JustinS: Anduin: I'm in there too .. I'll bounce the question around in there too ..
[22:09:05] SMDBlink: cant find saa7127
[22:09:21] SMDBlink: is it under Video for Linux?
[22:09:46] Anduin: SMDBlink: CONFIG_VIDEO_DECORDER
[22:10:40] Anduin: SMDBlink: The other one is CONFIG_AUDIO_DECODER
[22:11:15] SMDBlink: am i in the wrong place, im in the Linux Kernel v2.6.15-gentoo-r1 Configuration
[22:12:01] Anduin: SMDBlink: I'm looking directly at the Kconfig files (so yeah, you'll need to dig through whatever config GUI you have, sorry I don't gentoo)
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[22:14:09] SMDBlink: closest i can find is Philips SAA7134
[22:14:46] Anduin: SMDBlink: Do you have experimental modules enabled?
[22:15:01] SMDBlink: probably not
[22:15:11] Anduin: You'd need that.
[22:15:40] Anduin: An emerge ivtv doesn't do this?
[22:17:33] Klatuu: what is the maximum bitrate from a PVR-500?
[22:17:56] Anduin: Klatuu: Probably on their site.
[22:18:57] SMDBlink: ok ive got experimental modules enabled... but it still doesnt show up
[22:20:09] Anduin: SMDBlink: It won't show up individually, it will say something like "Add support for additional XXX chips"
[22:21:03] SMDBlink: doh
[22:21:10] SMDBlink: just found that in google
[22:21:32] Anduin: SMDBlink: In the description it should mention the two chips you'd need though.
[22:24:41] SMDBlink: yeah, the description was hidden... i finally realized that the help button at the bottom actually meant description
[22:29:45] SMDBlink: ok i recompiled the kernel and reloaded it
[22:30:05] SMDBlink: should i check the dmesg again
[22:30:24] scopeuk: does any one have the location of the tv_grab_uk_rt script
[22:31:23] Anduin: SMDBlink: I would.
[22:31:25] SMDBlink: lol
[22:31:40] SMDBlink: http://pastebin.com/660483
[22:31:43] SMDBlink: hows that look?
[22:32:08] scopeuk: i mean online not in my myth install
[22:32:20] Anduin: SMDBlink: better
[22:33:40] eidolon: okeee. box is back up and running, old filesystems are mounted... but the tuner is showing static. Hmm. i suspect i've selected the wrong frequency table :-/
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[22:38:31] rupy: hi guys
[22:38:39] rupy: having some trouble getting my mythtv to work...
[22:38:50] SMDBlink: sweet im not alone
[22:39:27] rupy: how do i check what to set my Video device to?
[22:39:52] Anduin: rupy: You are simply born knowing.
[22:39:59] rupy: heh
[22:40:15] rupy: when running an lscpi it doesnt show me anything aside from:
[22:40:27] rupy: 0000:02:01.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[22:40:36] rupy: is that just the encoder or is that the device?
[22:40:39] Anduin: rupy: for most it is /dev/videoXXX where XXX is some number.
[22:41:23] Anduin: rupy: lspci shows PCI devices, not really relating to actual /dev entires.
[22:41:30] rupy: cant i run a cmd that shows me all bound devices or something?
[22:41:35] rupy: oh ok
[22:41:36] rupy: thanks
[22:42:41] someguy0500o5: hey all, i have an issue with watching videos for shows i had scheduled to watch
[22:42:57] someguy0500o5: when i try to watch them after the fact, they only appear blank with no sound
[22:43:02] rupy: hmm, i still dont really know what to set the video device to :p
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[22:43:15] someguy0500o5: when i watch regular tv, it works fine
[22:43:19] someguy0500o5: even when i record as im watching
[22:43:23] Anduin: rupy: ls -l /dev/video0
[22:43:48] someguy0500o5: any idea when i record while on the main MythTV menu it doesn't work?
[22:43:53] Anduin: someguy0500o5: I bet that saves you time.
[22:44:10] someguy0500o5: haha
[22:44:15] someguy0500o5: true, but isn't very useful
[22:44:30] someguy0500o5: plus i hate knowing how they all end
[22:44:36] Anduin: someguy0500o5: Anything interesting in the backend logs? Checked the actual files?
[22:44:40] rupy: crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2006-04–14 23:51 /dev/video0
[22:44:51] rupy: that good?
[22:44:53] rupy: :p
[22:44:53] Anduin: rupy: Try that one.
[22:45:01] Anduin: rupy: It is better than nothing.
[22:45:07] rupy: hehe cool
[22:45:10] rupy: yeah thats the one i tried, but no luck
[22:45:24] someguy0500o5: the actual files seem ok... they are the appropriate length but just totally blank
[22:45:34] someguy0500o5: and i haven't seen any errors or things failing to load
[22:45:39] Anduin: rupy: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg wait a few seconds, ctrl-c, ls -l test.mpg
[22:45:45] rupy: if i'm trying to use a usual analogue input do i set the default input to composite 0?
[22:45:51] someguy0500o5: i was thinking maybe an input device its trying to record from or something?
[22:45:52] rupy: ok, lemme try that
[22:46:12] someguy0500o5: weird that it only happens when im not actually watching the program
[22:46:22] Anduin: someguy0500o5: Yes, your inputs could be off.
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[22:46:34] rupy: looks like it outputted something hey:
[22:46:35] rupy: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2916288 2006-04–15 00:46 test.mpg
[22:46:44] rupy: so the encoder's working?
[22:46:55] Anduin: rupy: good as well, did you configure the right kind of card in mythtv-setup?
[22:47:16] Anduin: rupy: You should be able to play that file with some player and see.
[22:47:23] rupy: oh ok
[22:47:27] Anduin: rupy: but usually any size is good.
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[22:48:23] rupy: how would i check the card setup andiun?
[22:48:29] rupy: under "Capture cards" ?
[22:48:34] Anduin: rupy: Yes.
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[22:49:14] rupy: yeah i set it to a PVR350
[22:49:30] SMDBlink: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 11669440 Apr 14 17:48 test.mpg
[22:49:32] Anduin: rupy: That should be ok, so what is the problem again?
[22:49:51] SMDBlink: sweet
[22:50:03] rupy: hehe oh sorry, never even gave error – it produces "unable to initialise video" or something along those lines
[22:50:45] Anduin: rupy: Running the backend as root?
[22:51:03] rupy: yeah
[22:51:26] rupy: maybe i should just make 100% sure though
[22:51:28] Anduin: rupy: Use a paste site and post your backend log
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[22:51:41] Juski: evening
[22:51:44] someguy0500o5: when you are looking under View Recordings
[22:51:49] someguy0500o5: what do those icons mean
[22:51:51] ** scopeuk is now within an inch of taking a disc putting xmltv on it and taking the dog out for an hour or so **
[22:51:56] rupy: ok ill do that anduin – thanks m8
[22:52:03] Anduin: someguy0500o5: They mean hit F1
[22:52:08] someguy0500o5: (the lighting bold / the glass of milk looking thing / etc)
[22:52:26] someguy0500o5: ?
[22:52:29] someguy0500o5: really?
[22:52:34] scopeuk: gave up asking for help in the knoppmyth channel its like talking to a wall with the exception that i dotn get my own echo for company
[22:52:45] Juski: lol
[22:53:03] Juski: er.. I mean I'm sorry to hear that
[22:53:25] Anduin: Maybe they are mail list people.
[22:53:42] SMDBlink: sweet theres static and sound in my test.mpg file!
[22:54:03] scopeuk: Juski i know your personal feelings about "not myth" but some of use are truly helpless and cant make the damn thing work
[22:54:14] Anduin: SMDBlink: Now don't going sharing that on the P2P networks.
[22:54:18] SMDBlink: lol
[22:54:27] SMDBlink: too late, i call it "the ring"
[22:54:43] scopeuk: im about 70% sure its an xmltv issue but all ive been able to do is change the numberit gives me for the error instead of making the damn thing work
[22:56:18] rupy: sorry i cant find my backend log
[22:56:25] Anduin: scopeuk: Having a horrible problem with a perl script is how perl gets new people knowing perl.
[22:57:10] scopeuk: heh ive tried two difernt versions unfurtunately my knolage of scripting/programing is limited to windows shell scipts
[22:57:17] Anduin: rupy: Are you using any of the init scripts to start it?
[22:57:17] scopeuk: and im nto even that grood with them
[22:57:20] SMDBlink: ok so mythtv doesnt work well with x11 forwarding
[22:57:23] rupy: yes
[22:57:37] rupy: must i use the "run app as different user" ?
[22:57:38] scopeuk: SMDBlink yeh dident work so well for me i jsut put it down to my myth box being steam powered
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[22:57:53] Juski: scopeuk: well, now you know what I have against knoppmyth – I couldn't get it to work as well as a 'proper' linux install
[22:57:58] Anduin: rupy: No, but you should be able to look at it and see where the log goes.
[22:58:00] SMDBlink: ill have to wait until after this weekend to test it again :(
[22:58:15] SMDBlink: im at the familys for easter
[22:58:25] scopeuk: juski im the other way around
[22:58:35] SMDBlink: i really appreciate everyones help in here, specially Anduin
[22:58:36] scopeuk: icant make linux work with my hardware well enough to get myth running
[22:59:05] Juski: scopeuk: well I'd never try to run a PVR on old hardware – I like an easy life too much
[22:59:12] SMDBlink: if u ever need help modding your xbox....i can actually help you there......lol
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[22:59:41] rupy: hmm, i dont see it anywhere
[22:59:54] scopeuk: ok ill try one last time then im gonan go put on my steel toe cap boots and play football with this box
[22:59:58] Anduin: rupy: From controb?
[23:00:01] Anduin: er ib
[23:00:03] rupy: excuse my stupidity, could you possibly point me in the right direction
[23:00:19] mchou: xris: heha, got firewire to work. It was the stupid cable/port, not the card
[23:00:20] scopeuk: im getting error codes/exit status 512 and/or 6400 with two diferent version o tv_grab_uk_rt
[23:00:21] rupy: running it from root shell
[23:01:07] Anduin: rupy: you can just run mythbackend -l my.log
[23:01:18] scopeuk: any one knwo what causes this?
[23:01:38] Anduin: scopeuk: Have you checked the site (they do break on occasion)
[23:01:50] scopeuk: ive looked
[23:02:03] scopeuk: unfurtunately there is nothing relating to the rt uk graber
[23:02:05] rupy: leet, let me try that
[23:02:17] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: any luck yet?
[23:02:18] Juski: rupy: mythbackend should really be run as the mythtv user, but so long as you have a mysql.txt file & the right permissions on the video hardware & recording directory all should be well
[23:02:29] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: shit I forgot to go to comcast
[23:02:30] SlicerDicer-: argh
[23:02:38] mchou: SlicerDicer-: lol
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[23:02:43] SlicerDicer-: its good friday anyway
[23:02:45] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: what were you going to go there for?
[23:02:46] Juski: scopeuk: I've been through the uk_rt stuff with you I dunno how many times now
[23:02:51] Anduin: scopeuk: I'll try it, few minutes to gather everything.
[23:02:58] mchou: SlicerDicer-: go now. You have about 1 hr.
[23:02:59] mishehu: besides bitch and complain
[23:03:04] scopeuk: yeh i know and ive fixed it before but nuked the box entriely
[23:03:05] mishehu: which is what I would do.  ;-)
[23:03:13] scopeuk: decide was best to start from scratch
[23:03:14] SlicerDicer-: mchou: traffic going from north bend to redmond I dont think so
[23:03:36] mchou: SlicerDicer-: yeah, probably not then
[23:03:39] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: exchange a box that lacks firewire and get firewire on it
[23:03:55] Juski: my mythbox survived a power outage today – fiddling with cables in the bathroom & the main upstairs ringmain tripped out :-/
[23:04:16] scopeuk: bathrooms plus cables == bad idea
[23:04:17] SlicerDicer-: Juski: were you expecting it to die?
[23:04:19] SarahEmm: ringmain?
[23:04:38] scopeuk: sockets are wired in a big ring in paralel usualy per floor in a domestic home
[23:04:42] scopeuk: domestic building*
[23:04:47] SarahEmm: ah
[23:04:53] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: thought that was what you were doing last night was workign with a firewire box.
[23:04:56] scopeuk: heh now were onto wiring clue>0
[23:05:00] Juski: SlicerDicer-: it's been known for automatic fsck not to work, thankfully not with ext3 ;-)
[23:05:10] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: ohh I have 2 boxes with firewire
[23:05:12] SlicerDicer-: I want 3!
[23:05:33] SlicerDicer-: Juski: ahh did you do a PEBKAC and forget to put the entry in fstab properly like I did?
[23:05:51] Juski: anyway I'm sure I know what pulled the trip out now – 'pro' electrician left a live wire dangling under the floor
[23:06:10] Juski: SlicerDicer-: nah it just came up okay without any intervention
[23:06:32] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[23:06:46] scopeuk: oh well think i may have jsut nuked it properly again
[23:06:47] SlicerDicer-: Juski: I had my JFS partition explode about a month ago
[23:06:53] SlicerDicer-: that was fun
[23:06:58] scopeuk: removed something thatapparently doesent exist to reinstall always fun
[23:07:01] SlicerDicer-: first time in over a year that I had a problem
[23:07:05] Juski: anyway time for bed – knackered! Removed the sink, shower, bath & replaced the toilet today – rest of the plumbing goes in tomorrow :-)
[23:07:16] scopeuk: good luck
[23:07:33] scopeuk: building work i can do its jsut linux and more specificaly listing grabers i cant do
[23:07:33] Juski: so at least we can still er.. 'go' ;-)
[23:07:43] scopeuk: v.important
[23:07:46] Juski: anyway.. Zzzzzz
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[23:07:51] Juski: night all
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[23:08:36] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: give me a few more days maybe monday I will have it done
[23:08:54] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: it involves totally rebuilding from scratch a gentoo system so its going to take me a bit to do it :)
[23:09:03] SlicerDicer-: just got to go ahead and do it
[23:09:15] SlicerDicer-: but I am not going to do today dont feel like it hehe
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[23:10:40] rupy: heres my log guys:
[23:10:41] rupy: http://pastebin.com/660550
[23:10:43] rupy: any ideas?
[23:10:50] scopeuk: any one here in the uk wit hjsuta analog terestial graber for xmltv i could borrow a copy of the config for
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[23:11:46] Anduin: rupy: No listing data?
[23:12:35] Anduin: rupy: Configure your listing source, then configure an input to be associated with it.
[23:13:04] xris: mchou: cool
[23:13:12] scopeuk: ok no w i know ive exhausted my ideas created /pub/ adderd file beer edited file to read wohoo
[23:13:31] ** scopeuk goes to seek pycheatric help **
[23:14:02] rupy: my listing?
[23:14:11] rupy: Is that like my "tv guide"
[23:15:02] Anduin: rupy: Yes, some source for scheduling information.
[23:15:33] Anduin: rupy: Which of the several MythTV howtos are you using?
[23:16:00] rupy: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html
[23:16:08] rupy: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:AumF_LlUM . . . lnk&cd=1
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[23:17:59] Anduin: rupy: Ouch, no section numbers, that bit about where he said to configure your lineup
[23:19:13] mchou: SlicerDicer-: help me.....
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[23:19:49] mchou: SlicerDicer-: my plugreport now shows up nicely, but.....
[23:20:13] mchou: SlicerDicer-: libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0.
[23:20:13] mchou: You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
[23:20:14] mchou: Starting to receive
[23:20:40] rupy: ok ill check that, thanks anduin
[23:20:43] mchou: SlicerDicer-: and I get a 0 length file.....
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[23:27:22] Glasswalkr: Question, is it normal for every channel you watch to show up as a "Recording"?
[23:27:36] Glasswalkr: doesn't that make it a bit of a pain to get to the shows you have scheduled as recordings
[23:27:51] Glasswalkr: and if I view "previously recorded" it doesn't appear I can play them from there...
[23:27:55] Glasswalkr: or am I just missing something
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[23:30:06] AngryElf: Glasswalkr, afaik that's the way it is, under watch recordings you can sort by the tv show and then they're organized by date
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[23:31:58] rupy3: my country isnt listed in xmltv
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[23:32:16] rupy3: cant i just manually tune the analogue tv?, I mean the guides or whatever arent required are they ?
[23:32:52] psofa: if im using alsa what device should i put in mixer device?
[23:32:56] mchou: woohoo, firewire is working!!
[23:33:57] mchou: damn, that was a tough debugging session.
[23:34:14] mchou: all crappy hw problems, no sw problems
[23:34:34] mchou: that's not the way it's supposed to work :)
[23:35:02] psofa: does anyone here use native alsa as myth's sound output?
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[23:36:16] RaYmAn-Bx: psofa: yep..never managed to get the mixer control working though
[23:36:51] psofa: RaYmAn-Bx, yep same thing on me too
[23:37:00] xris: mchou: so what do you think?
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[23:37:25] mchou: xris: yeah that was worth it
[23:37:31] xris: :)
[23:37:42] mchou: xris: aside from the HW issues
[23:37:45] xris: of course
[23:38:08] xris: I still need to put my AV cupboard back together again.
[23:38:16] mchou: xris: I first used a 4–6 fw cable
[23:38:19] xris: sucks my pundit's firewire plug is in the FRONT instead of the back
[23:38:28] xris: hmm, I bet I have a spare firewire card somewhere. that'd do the trick
[23:38:38] mchou: haha, front is good :)
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[23:39:00] mchou: xris: then it worked with a 6–6 fw cable
[23:39:04] xris: not for me. then I have to leave the case door open the whole time
[23:39:16] Pitchin_uk: how to i get the files myth crfeates to have relevant names and not time stamps??
[23:39:25] xris: Pitchin_uk: .19? mythrename.pl
[23:39:39] Pitchin_uk: yeah .19
[23:39:54] Pitchin_uk: whats mythrename.pl and how do i use it
[23:40:01] xris: it's in contrib
[23:40:04] xris: run it with --help
[23:40:15] mchou: xris: I get lots of crc errors using mplayer too......
[23:40:39] mchou: dunno if that's connection oriented issue or what....
[23:40:49] xris: mchou: no clue. could be.
[23:40:55] xris: I do get occasional data errors
[23:41:05] mchou: it's only a52 though :)
[23:41:50] Pitchin_uk: whats contrib??
[23:41:51] mchou: I'm just happy I didnt need to spend $100 on anothe FusionHDTV card
[23:42:00] mchou: another*
[23:42:55] mchou: xris: how long is your firewire cable?
[23:43:30] xris: mchou: 6' I think
[23:43:49] xris: I think it came with an external drive
[23:43:57] mchou: xris: ok. I was wonder if a shorter cable might help :)
[23:44:13] mchou: xris: I aso have 6 ft
[23:44:23] mchou: also*
[23:44:41] xris: mchou: maybe. more likely to have interference on the cable line, though
[23:44:45] Anduin: psofa: The control names are the same as you'd see in the alsa mixer.
[23:44:55] mchou: xris: yeah, no doubt
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[23:45:39] psofa: Anduin, if i select "use internal mixer controls" with alsa i will not get any sound
[23:46:32] Anduin: psofa: Currently it cheats, but if you pick the right mixer control name (sometime you have to type the name, the drop-down isn't smart yet).
[23:47:03] psofa: Anduin, yes thats what im asking
[23:47:11] psofa: i dont know what mixer device to type
[23:47:59] Anduin: psofa: The device can just be ALSA:default, the control name varies.
[23:48:22] psofa: Anduin, yep ive got the device right. i dont know the control name
[23:48:31] psofa: how can i check what should i put
[23:48:56] Anduin: psofa: run amixer
[23:49:12] Pitchin_uk: xris – whats contrib and where can i find it??
[23:49:40] Anduin: Pitchin_uk: contrib mean the contrib directory in the mythtv source usually.
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[23:49:52] psofa: Anduin, i get many controls like Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[23:49:52] psofa: Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
[23:50:32] Anduin: psofa: Yes, Master or PCM (or some others)
[23:51:23] Pitchin_uk: ok cool
[23:51:30] psofa: Anduin, what about Mixer device?
[23:51:39] psofa: should i set that to ALSA:default too?
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[23:52:47] SlicerDicer-: mchou: hmm?
[23:53:08] Pitchin_uk: cheers
[23:53:24] Anduin: psofa: Yes, that is what we were talking about earlier (I thought)
[23:53:34] psofa: Anduin, nice
[23:53:36] psofa: thanks a lot
[23:53:52] psofa: i didnt know i should put Alsa on the mixer device too
[23:53:58] psofa: i was using /dev/mixer
[23:54:00] psofa: :D
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[23:54:06] Lycan: anyone had any luck getting the tv-out on an nvidia card to work to a component-in tv?
[23:54:07] SlicerDicer-: sorry doing some things hehe
[23:54:11] SlicerDicer-: mchou: kinda busy
[23:54:17] Lycan: im getting b&w
[23:54:27] Pitchin_uk: also i cant seem to get mythfilldatabase running automatically
[23:54:38] Pitchin_uk: i normally run it with the --update switch
[23:54:53] Anduin: Lycan: You have an nvidia card with component out?
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[23:54:57] Chacabaou: Hello.
[23:55:28] Lycan: yeah its a 6200
[23:55:42] Anduin: Lycan: Not composite?
[23:55:55] psofa: btw is mute supposed to work?
[23:56:00] psofa: pussing f9 doesn mute
[23:56:05] psofa: *pushing
[23:56:39] Anduin: psofa: Should, I don't use it (I have a pause key).
[23:56:50] psofa: Anduin, hmm i found it out
[23:57:01] psofa: in the docs it says | or f9
[23:57:07] psofa: however only | works
[23:57:13] jim_u: alright, i'm having some troubbles. after fighting with mythtv to get it to record everything correctly (thanks to some people) its working well now. but i have another problem. i have two pvr 150's which work excellent. but when recording/viewing tv with my bttv card (hauppauge card detects as card=10 and tuner=2) the picture is bad with static and lines of static.. also the sound is horrible. This card used to work well before switching a
[23:57:14] jim_u: round cards and I can't figure out whats wrong with it...
[23:57:21] SarahEmm: yeah, mine too psofa. that works fine for me tho
[23:57:27] Chacabaou: Since some revisions, compiling fails with that error: "dbsettings.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized"
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[23:57:33] Chacabaou: Do you have any idea what's that about?
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[23:57:40] SarahEmm: jim_u: does it work well with xawtv?
[23:57:46] SarahEmm: jim_u: check that before blaming mith :)
[23:57:47] jim_u: SarahEmm, i haven't tried
[23:57:50] SarahEmm: try :)
[23:57:52] jim_u: i'm not blaming anything
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: i understand
[23:58:01] SarahEmm: still, i'd try that
[23:58:05] Lycan: Anduin, gimme a sec ill find the exact url for this card
[23:58:06] Anduin: Lycan: Anyway I'd look at the TVOutFormat option.
[23:58:07] SarahEmm: that tells you fi it's a driver issue or a mythtv issue
[23:58:09] jim_u: lets see if its in there :)
[23:58:15] Chacabaou: (strangely, this happens on two totally different machines but not on the third)
[23:58:18] SarahEmm: if you get static in xawtv, it's a driver issue (likely wrong tuner)
[23:58:29] Anduin: Lycan: component = several cables, composite = one
[23:58:44] SarahEmm: also make sure your cabling is good. i was stupid one day and spent >4h working on a tuner issue only to realize i forgot to plug the cable tv in ;)
[23:59:02] Lycan: yeah it has a connector that goes to a box that has the r,g,b connectors
[23:59:08] Lycan: ie it has 3 connectore

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