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| [00:20:38] | SodaKillr: | hi. |
| [00:22:51] | SodaKillr: | anybody have made cheap frontend boxes? |
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| [00:23:49] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, sure have |
| [00:25:37] | SodaKillr: | screenshots? |
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| [00:25:58] | SodaKillr: | how much does did it cost and how does it work out for yoU? |
| [00:26:01] | laga: | why screenshots? |
| [00:26:15] | kormoc: | screen shots look the same as any other frontend... |
| [00:26:16] | SodaKillr: | just want to ssee the size of th box |
| [00:26:24] | SodaKillr: | naw i meant like physical box |
| [00:26:24] | kormoc: | screen shots won't change that |
| [00:26:25] | Kelerion: | you mean photos? |
| [00:26:35] | SodaKillr: | well well, you got me, i meant photos =D |
| [00:28:09] | Kelerion: | theres photos on mythtvtalk .. don't know if they are cheap ones though |
| [00:28:14] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, http://tinyurl.com/pqzgf, http://tinyurl.com/ol8no, http://tinyurl.com/oou2k, http://tinyurl.com/l7c6m |
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| [00:28:15] | SodaKillr: | getting a new home, so i need to get some sparkling ideas on how to set it up. right now i have a coolermaster desktop. |
| [00:28:51] | laga: | maybe you wanna try a mediamvp, but they're very limited |
| [00:29:22] | SodaKillr: | some of thes urls arn't working, but ah well. |
| [00:29:27] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, $240 total, minus a hard drive and turner., and that's my backend and frontend |
| [00:29:30] | SodaKillr: | mediamvp limited how? production? |
| [00:29:56] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, don't include the , in the url |
| [00:30:02] | SodaKillr: | ahh i see |
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| [00:30:45] | laga: | SodaKillr: no, capabilities. http://mvpmc.sf.net |
| [00:30:46] | SodaKillr: | ahh nice little skyhawk. how's the heat situation working out? not so bad? |
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| [00:31:29] | imperfectus: | Hey |
| [00:31:38] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, it hovers at around 100F, not the best, but not too bad |
| [00:31:42] | imperfectus: | Does MythTV make any corrections for TV's with overscan issues? |
| [00:31:54] | kormoc: | imperfectus, that's done via the driver, so no, myth doesn't |
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| [00:32:19] | imperfectus: | kormoc : well the spec for this TV blocks out 16 pixels around each edge... |
| [00:32:34] | imperfectus: | kormoc: So I'm wondering if I'll be able to run MythTV and see everything or not |
| [00:32:44] | SodaKillr: | 100F is not to bad. |
| [00:32:53] | laga: | umm |
| [00:33:13] | laga: | mythtv has overscan controls, you can adjust the gui size and the size of the tv picture |
| [00:33:22] | keith_: | has anyone here gotten a Pixelview PlayTV Pro card to work (its based on the BT878 chipset) |
| [00:33:26] | kormoc: | SodaKillr, front equilizer display works with the onboard sound. |
| [00:33:27] | laga: | (i'd advise against underscanning playback.) |
| [00:33:33] | kormoc: | laga, that's no overscan is it? |
| [00:33:36] | imperfectus: | Cool... I've got my machine's desktop at 1080i |
| [00:33:36] | kormoc: | keith_, sure have |
| [00:33:42] | imperfectus: | but I can't see the top for instance.. |
| [00:34:02] | keith_: | kormoc, any words of advice? All i get is a blue screen |
| [00:34:25] | keith_: | (i'm a complete noob to this stuff) |
| [00:34:28] | kormoc: | keith_, you have to set the card type and tuner type for bttv, it won't autodetect it correctly |
| [00:34:47] | imperfectus: | Is there a good quick setup guide for ubuntu 5.10? |
| [00:34:51] | keith_: | kormoc, but lsmod shows it as a bttv card |
| [00:35:13] | kormoc: | keith_, yeah, bttv runs on hundreds of different cards, all slightly different. |
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| [00:35:27] | keith_: | so how do i set the card type? |
| [00:35:39] | kormoc: | keith_, depends on your distro |
| [00:35:41] | laga: | kormoc: it's named that way ;) |
| [00:35:52] | kormoc: | laga, fair nuff then :) |
| [00:36:04] | SodaKillr: | any easy way to manage a sound card (SB Audigy), last time i tried it, i couldn't get SPDIF to work =| . when i move, i think i'll try to make it so i only have the myth box to do everything. (watch dvds, TV etc) |
| [00:36:17] | laga: | kormoc: ;) and actually, you can use it to make everything look right & spiffy, so why argue? ;) |
| [00:36:26] | keith_: | kormoc, i'm running ubuntu — do you happen to know how to do it there / what setting i need to use once I do figure out how to change them? |
| [00:36:47] | kormoc: | keith_, alas, I don't know where module params go in ubuntu, nope |
| [00:37:20] | keith_: | kormoc, do you remember the card params for the PlayTV Pro (or know where i could look them up)? |
| [00:38:57] | kormoc: | keith_, card=37 tuner=2 radio=1 if I recall correctly |
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| [00:40:04] | keith_: | thanks kormoc, mine auto-detected as card=72... I guess I'll go on over to the ubuntu room to ask how to set the module params. thanks! |
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| [00:40:17] | kormoc: | no problems |
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| [00:48:15] | banyan: | Is there a fix for getting the ivtv drivers to compile under 2.6.15–1.2054_FC5? |
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| [00:49:00] | keith_: | kormoc, do i set the params on the bttv module, or the bt878 module |
| [00:49:10] | kormoc: | keith_, bttv |
| [00:49:17] | keith_: | thanks |
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| [00:54:11] | banyan: | I'm getting compile errors with ivtv, in tuner.c it says driver/tuner.c:1855: error: unknown field ‘owner’ specified in initializer. |
| [00:54:39] | banyan: | This is with the spanky new FC5 kernel and 0.4.3 ivtv |
| [00:54:52] | banyan: | is it just me? |
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| [00:57:22] | Anduin: | banyan: You'll need to use the 0.6 version |
| [00:57:46] | banyan: | That's supposedly just for the 2.6.16 kernel tho, and the FC5 kernel is still 2.6.15. |
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| [00:58:37] | Anduin: | banyan: Ok, go your way (wrong one). |
| [00:59:08] | banyan: | I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that's what the line on ivtvdrivers says next to the 0.6 version. |
| [00:59:15] | Anduin: | banyan: There is a thread on ivtv-dev about this btw. |
| [00:59:36] | banyan: | Oh! Google gave me nothing. |
| [00:59:39] | Anduin: | banyan: The FC5 kernel is a 2.6.16 rc version. |
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| [01:00:12] | banyan: | Kudos to them for calling it 2.6.15 then. :-p |
| [01:00:30] | Anduin: | banyan: Yeah, well, the kudos depends on who you ask. |
| [01:01:45] | banyan: | So I'll try again with the 0.6.1 version. |
| [01:04:25] | banyan: | It goes as far as the test directory, so that's better... wonder if I should be worried about the fact that wss won't compile. |
| [01:04:29] | kormoc: | the googles, they do nothing! |
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| [01:08:31] | banyan: | I regret that your inquiry is ungoogleable. |
| [01:10:01] | squish102: | question, i use mythweb and i would like to record all shows with "skating" in title so i select "Record at any time on any channel." title search = "skating" everything else default. |
| [01:10:18] | squish102: | then when i go to upcoming recordings i see nothing |
| [01:10:45] | squish102: | but if i just do a search on the listing i see lots! can any1 tell me what i am doing wrong? |
| [01:11:49] | banyan: | Anduin: I wouldn't suppose you know where I could find a 2.6.16 version of the /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h without downloading the entire kernel source? |
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| [01:13:13] | Anduin: | banyan: There is a full 2.6.16 kernel in updates-testing. |
| [01:13:50] | banyan: | on kernel.org? |
| [01:14:00] | Anduin: | banyan: FC5 updates |
| [01:14:16] | banyan: | already with the fc5 updates. It was released when? |
| [01:14:17] | Anduin: | banyan: What do you need it for? |
| [01:14:31] | banyan: | In order to get the test utilities to build. |
| [01:14:32] | Anduin: | banyan: updates-testing |
| [01:14:46] | Anduin: | In other words, not fully an update yet. |
| [01:15:02] | banyan: | In fact, the Fedora main site still points people to FC4. |
| [01:16:51] | banyan: | Oops, no, they have changed that. |
| [01:17:14] | Anduin: | It usually takes them several days to get things right. |
| [01:18:16] | Anduin: | So what test stuff is this? |
| [01:18:59] | Servo888: | Ok question... What other tools are available to remove commercials from files? (out side of mythtv). I've seen avidemux2, but it's very unstable on the x86_64 environment. And for some reason the outputted files have a really bad sound lag to them. |
| [01:20:01] | banyan: | Unstable? That's too bad. Have you done any transcoding with your 64-bit machine? Does that go less painfully slowly? |
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| [01:20:29] | Servo888: | banyan, transcoding seems fine. I haven't done a lot of it. But all my dvd's trancoded fine. |
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| [01:20:52] | banyan: | So it worked ok, and does it go at realtime or better? |
| [01:21:04] | banyan: | i.e. an hour of video in an hour or less? |
| [01:21:16] | Servo888: | depends on the output. |
| [01:21:40] | Servo888: | If your doing any kind of resizing it takes longer than the video. |
| [01:21:49] | coopster: | ok, i'm stumped. why would mythtv transcode 2.2gigs of MPEG2 video into 4.7gigs of MPEG4? |
| [01:22:59] | |splat|: | can someone help me with installing dvb-atsc-tools? i can't find a good, straightforward howto anywhere |
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| [01:24:00] | UBL: | coopster, cause the bitrate you used for mpeg2 was smaller than the bitrate you used for mpeg3 |
| [01:24:02] | UBL: | 4 |
| [01:24:59] | Servo888: | banyan, do you use avidemux? |
| [01:25:03] | coopster: | UBL, i checked that, and it's not. what's more is that it doesnt happen constantly. it's just happened when recording one show (Maximum Exposure,) all other shows get about a 50% reduction in size from transcoding with the same profile |
| [01:25:29] | UBL: | strange indeed |
| [01:26:13] | Servo888: | Interesting thing you guys are talking about. I had an issue back in the day with my bttv card, shows such as the simpsons took up 2.2GB's of storage (30 minutes), while futurama took only 500MB's. |
| [01:26:23] | |splat|: | i followed the README to patch the xine-lib package, and installed it, but i still don't have dtvscan or any other tools |
| [01:27:18] | |splat|: | and when i go in to the dvb-atsc-tools dir and try to make or make install, all i get is errors that seem like its trying to patch the xine-libs |
| [01:28:09] | banyan: | Yeah, I think capturing black input is the worst for bandwidth, and staticy picture is bad too. |
| [01:28:22] | banyan: | Randomness being incompressible and all. |
| [01:28:26] | coopster: | hrmm, that may have something to do with it, i dont think that channel has the best reception |
| [01:29:10] | banyan: | Black is just because it's trying like hell to capture detail that just isn't there. |
| [01:31:04] | banyan: | If I remember correctly, lirc is now built into the kernel? |
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| [01:43:19] | keith__: | Anyone here got a pixelview playtv pro card working properly that wants to help a poor noob figure his out? |
| [01:43:38] | kormoc: | keith__, didn't work? |
| [01:43:42] | keith__: | nope |
| [01:43:48] | keith__: | still get the same blue screen |
| [01:43:51] | kormoc: | did you change the input to cable? |
| [01:44:01] | banyan: | Is that an ivtv card? |
| [01:44:02] | keith__: | the only choice for input was television |
| [01:44:04] | banyan: | bttv? |
| [01:44:07] | keith__: | bttv |
| [01:44:23] | keith__: | there was no 'cable' input choice |
| [01:44:33] | kormoc: | keith__, television is cable usually |
| [01:44:41] | kormoc: | keith__, have you tried with xawtv or tvtime? |
| [01:44:49] | keith__: | no — how do i use them |
| [01:45:17] | keith__: | (or which one do you recommend I use) |
| [01:45:25] | kormoc: | just install xawtv, and run it and play with the settings to see if you can get a picture |
| [01:48:07] | keith__: | do i need to give xawtv any channel information? |
| [01:49:34] | keith__: | because it just gives me the same blue screen |
| [01:49:47] | kormoc: | shouldn't |
| [01:50:06] | kormoc: | you see, blue is what svideo and composite tend to show, cable/tv should show static |
| [01:50:23] | keith__: | no static |
| [01:50:25] | keith__: | just blue |
| [01:50:39] | kormoc: | I really beleive that's not the tuner then |
| [01:50:43] | keith__: | and when I right click to bring up the menu, television is selected as the video source |
| [01:50:52] | kormoc: | try selecting the others |
| [01:50:56] | kormoc: | and back to tv |
| [01:52:23] | keith__: | well, when i start it normally, it gives me a black screen |
| [01:52:50] | keith__: | when I start it with the -noxv swtich (it tells me "grabbing is not supported — try the -noxv switch), I get a blue screen |
| [01:53:15] | kormoc: | are you sure you have permissions to the tv card? |
| [01:53:19] | kormoc: | /dev/v4l/& |
| [01:53:22] | kormoc: | /dev/v4l/* |
| [01:53:27] | banyan: | Hey, any ideas on how to compile lirc against a kernel I am not presently running? |
| [01:54:09] | kormoc: | banyan, ./configure --help should have a option for passing in a kernel directory |
| [01:54:12] | keith__: | I dont have a /dev/v4l directory |
| [01:54:25] | kormoc: | keith__, then where's your tv card? |
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| [01:54:42] | keith__: | but you're right — i dont have read permission on /dev/video0 |
| [01:54:50] | keith__: | let me try running it as root |
| [01:54:51] | kormoc: | that could be an issue |
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| [01:55:16] | haj: | hey.. anyone got a PVR-500 working with a ULi M1689 chipset? |
| [01:56:00] | ** haj is on his 2nd non-working motherboard with that stupid Hauppauge-card :o( ** | |
| [01:56:43] | keith__: | still a blue screen as root |
| [01:57:18] | keith__: | I dont know if it means anything, but xawtv gives "Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-*" to type FontStruct |
| [01:57:18] | keith__: | " |
| [01:57:21] | keith__: | when i start it |
| [01:58:34] | keith__: | any other ideas? |
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| [02:00:47] | mchou: | holy shit |
| [02:01:00] | mchou: | ivtv went from 0.4 to 0.6? |
| [02:01:52] | randy: | Has anybody written a webpage that is essentially a frontend for the "telnet" control over mythfrontend? Or should I start from scratch |
| [02:02:01] | banyan: | Apparently so. |
| [02:02:07] | kormoc: | randy, there's something for mythweb I beleive |
| [02:02:55] | keith__: | kormoc, tvtime also gives a blue screen saying "No signal" (run as root) |
| [02:03:15] | kormoc: | keith__, dmesg says anything odd? |
| [02:03:17] | haj: | mchou: afaik 0.5 was dev-release |
| [02:03:30] | keith__: | yeah |
| [02:03:34] | keith__: | i didnt think to look |
| [02:03:43] | keith__: | tuner 0–0061: TV freq (268435455.93) out of range (44–958) |
| [02:03:52] | kormoc: | that's a nice freq |
| [02:04:03] | keith__: | I also got |
| [02:04:05] | keith__: | [4296407.812000] bttv0: timeout: drop=56 irq=9379/9379, risc=1cffb028, bits: VSYNC HSYNC FDSR |
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| [02:04:23] | kormoc: | really need to figure out why it's tuning so much higher |
| [02:04:31] | keith__: | any ideas? |
| [02:04:38] | kormoc: | did you do tvtimes or xawtv's scan? |
| [02:04:52] | mchou: | haj: I tought ULi are supposed to make good chipsets :) |
| [02:04:59] | keith__: | kormoc, how do I scan with them? |
| [02:05:01] | haj: | mchou: so did i :o/ |
| [02:05:03] | keith__: | I didnt see an option |
| [02:05:21] | kormoc: | keith__, run scantv ? |
| [02:05:26] | mchou: | haj: which model mobo? |
| [02:05:30] | haj: | mchou: but it works like shit... i think my last option is the nForce3 since i really want to keep my Matrox G450.. |
| [02:05:35] | haj: | mchou: Abit UL8 |
| [02:05:52] | haj: | now the kernel crashed again ;) all I/O is dead pt |
| [02:05:57] | keith__: | vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] |
| [02:05:57] | keith__: | open /dev/vbi: No such file or directory |
| [02:06:02] | kormoc: | keith__, I'm heading home, be back in a bit |
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| [02:06:14] | keith__: | k, thanks for your help |
| [02:06:15] | haj: | it's a sucky motherboard this one.. |
| [02:06:18] | haj: | brb |
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| [02:06:33] | mchou: | haj: you got a sufficiently beefy PSU? |
| [02:14:06] | keith__: | anyone got any ideas why scantv does not show any channels? |
| [02:17:01] | haj: | mchou: 350watt thermaltake fanless-thingie |
| [02:17:15] | haj: | mchou: it dosn't seem too bad.. |
| [02:17:29] | haj: | mchou: how much power would a PVR-500 use do you think? |
| [02:17:47] | mchou: | haj: I dont trust thermaltake. I think they are crappy PSUs |
| [02:18:05] | mchou: | haj: naw, it's not pvr500...... |
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| [02:18:32] | mchou: | if you have weak psu then kernel crashes wouldnt surprise me too much |
| [02:19:00] | haj: | mchou: could be.. but since it dies the same way every time it seems a bit weird if it was the PSU.. it should have enough power |
| [02:19:10] | haj: | unless the PVR draws like 10 amps ;) |
| [02:19:10] | mchou: | haj: how much amp or watts on +12V? |
| [02:19:55] | haj: | mchou: 14 |
| [02:20:06] | haj: | okay, that is a bit crappy.. ;) |
| [02:20:12] | mchou: | lol, that's way underpowered |
| [02:20:18] | haj: | but it's only a 3200+ ;) |
| [02:20:59] | mchou: | I have 20A on +12V and that's barely enough (one vid card) |
| [02:21:14] | haj: | what card? |
| [02:21:26] | mchou: | 6600GT |
| [02:21:44] | mchou: | course that's a rather power hungry card :) |
| [02:21:54] | haj: | This box is AGP.. and uses a Matrox G450, which is rated at a maximum 7watts |
| [02:22:19] | mchou: | haj: how does it crash in the same way? |
| [02:22:32] | mchou: | I mean describe the symptoms |
| [02:22:39] | haj: | mchou: cat /dev/video0 > blah |
| [02:22:45] | haj: | mchou: and it dies within a sec. |
| [02:22:52] | haj: | just resets, boom. |
| [02:23:35] | mchou: | reset as in "reboot" or kernel panic? |
| [02:26:46] | haj: | reset as in reboot |
| [02:26:53] | haj: | reset as in reset-button |
| [02:28:34] | mchou: | I dunno. I'm still inclined to think it's the power supply |
| [02:29:36] | mchou: | kind of hard to imaging bad driver causing reboot (as opposed to panic) |
| [02:29:45] | mchou: | imagine* |
| [02:30:02] | ** haj thinks its sucky chipset vs. demanding PCI-card ** | |
| [02:30:07] | haj: | some conflict |
| [02:30:17] | mchou: | maybe. |
| [02:31:02] | haj: | i have been really lucky with this.. first i got a VIA-chipset motherboard.. that worked out even worse ;) |
| [02:31:26] | mchou: | haj: what were the problems w/ that one? |
| [02:31:44] | haj: | mchou: freeze at POST.. |
| [02:31:51] | mchou: | lol. |
| [02:31:56] | haj: | mchou: known motherboard bug ;) |
| [02:32:19] | mchou: | really? that's a known bug? |
| [02:32:43] | haj: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=2212 |
| [02:32:52] | haj: | thats what google says.. |
| [02:34:04] | haj: | ivtvdriver.org also says that VIA's chipsets are bad.. |
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| [02:34:52] | mchou: | wow, that's pathetic |
| [02:35:14] | mchou: | I'm glad I skipped via when moving to a64 |
| [02:35:26] | haj: | heh, thats not even the only one... |
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| [02:35:43] | haj: | http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,2767.msg14581.html |
| [02:35:47] | ragawu: | evening |
| [02:35:51] | haj: | ATI Radeon Express 200 |
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| [02:36:01] | haj: | MCE though.. that could be it ;) |
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| [02:37:18] | ragawu: | is there anyway that dvb-t signal strength varies during the day? I find that all the bbc channels work flawlessly but, more 4, e4 etc vary from nearly acceptable to downright appalling (in terms of tears, pops, artifacts, etc) |
| [02:38:24] | mchou: | haj: I still think you ought to try a beefy PSU :) |
| [02:38:31] | ragawu: | I can't help but think the problem is software rather than signal related, as I've had much better reception previously |
| [02:38:58] | mchou: | haj: if you get nforce3 that chip itself is a power sucker..... |
| [02:39:09] | haj: | mchou: i think i'll start by replacing this sucky motherboard anyway ;o) |
| [02:39:18] | haj: | oh yeb.. thats the sad part.. |
| [02:39:37] | mchou: | haj: and I dont understand, matrox is incompatible w/ nforce 3? |
| [02:39:53] | haj: | matrox? what? why? |
| [02:40:04] | haj: | who said that? |
| [02:40:29] | mchou: | haj: you mentioned earlier you wanted to kepp matrox and nf3 was your last preference |
| [02:41:07] | haj: | mchou: last preference because all of the nf3 motherboards have active cooling.. i don't like hot stuff :) |
| [02:41:19] | mchou: | haj: ahh, ok |
| [02:41:44] | haj: | i wonder if the nforce3 gets hotter than nforce4 |
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| [02:44:50] | haj: | mchou: and i want to keep agp because i like that matroxcard.. i am using X on this box, and i don't need 3D.. :) |
| [02:45:11] | mchou: | haj: yeah, that's understood |
| [02:45:41] | haj: | hm.. i wonder if hauppauge has any motherboard recommendations |
| [02:45:43] | keith__: | anybody know where i can get a list of what the bttv module option: tuner= means |
| [02:46:12] | keith__: | (googling just gives a bunch of peoples sample configurations) |
| [02:46:13] | mchou: | haj: I might have a source for older MSI k8n neo2 premiums |
| [02:46:42] | mchou: | agp with 5 pci slots. Active cooling though :) |
| [02:47:55] | haj: | mchou: i know where to get those.. :) |
| [02:48:30] | mchou: | haj: oh, you have a source too? :) |
| [02:48:31] | haj: | mchou: perhaps i'll get one of them.. looks like i can get DFI, Gigabyte or MSI with nForce3 and AGP in Denmark |
| [02:48:43] | haj: | it's pretty cheap also |
| [02:49:01] | mchou: | haj: they come with firewire? |
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| [02:49:30] | Juski: | damn insomnia.. morning all |
| [02:49:34] | haj: | uhm .. no, don't think so.. i don't need firewire though |
| [02:50:06] | ragawu: | insomnia isn't my problem... just the constant nightmares |
| [02:50:27] | Juski: | I'd be able to sleep if those damn grays stopped taking me away |
| [02:50:31] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [02:50:37] | ragawu: | getting everything working then the cat marks it |
| [02:51:01] | ragawu: | grays? |
| [02:51:04] | mchou: | haha, I'm thinking Col. Kurtz from "Apocalyse Now" |
| [02:51:18] | mchou: | "the horror...." |
| [02:51:41] | Juski: | you know.. grays.. those little aileee-in fellas |
| [02:51:47] | ragawu: | oh of course |
| [02:52:12] | Juski: | I was kidding of course – I'm daft but not mental ;) |
| [02:52:37] | ragawu: | who's to say..? |
| [02:52:47] | mchou: | ragawu: exactly :) |
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| [02:52:55] | Juski: | lol |
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| [02:53:39] | ragawu: | my girlfriend has threatened to throw the box out of the window.. is it time to throw the towel in and rescue a vcr from a skip? |
| [02:53:42] | banyan: | Hello, I have one for ya — I compiled the lirc modules from source after doing an fc5 upgrade, and I get told when I try to load the modules that they're in an invalid module format. |
| [02:53:44] | mchou: | Juski: insomiacs become crazy due to lack of sleep :) |
| [02:54:05] | Juski: | ahh so that's the reason... |
| [02:54:21] | banyan: | what's all that about — invalid module format? No comprendo. |
| [02:54:22] | Juski: | ragawu: get a different one |
| [02:54:32] | ragawu: | I like the one I've got |
| [02:54:46] | ragawu: | for the moment |
| [02:55:08] | mchou: | ragawu: that gf is no good for ya. too violent |
| [02:55:20] | ragawu: | finding a new girlfriend AND getting this working seems too much like hard work |
| [02:55:21] | Juski: | heh.. reminds me of that allegedly funny text about wife 1.0 not being compatible with mistress 2.0 |
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| [02:55:32] | mchou: | ragawu: what's with the threats? |
| [02:56:15] | Juski: | well, don't deny your other half _anything_ and keep working on getting mythtv going on the side |
| [02:56:33] | mchou: | Juski: bullshit. that wont work at all |
| [02:56:35] | ragawu: | probly due to hours of me spent staring at a laptop screen googling like it's going out of fashion, all the time my face becomiung more and more scrunched up |
| [02:56:49] | mchou: | there is no "on the side" when it comes to myth :) |
| [02:57:11] | Juski: | yeh I know that but I'm just trying to keep the guy optimistic |
| [02:57:14] | mchou: | it's all or nothing |
| [02:57:20] | ragawu: | I'm withyou |
| [02:57:30] | ** Juski remembers all the 4am compiling & stuff ** | |
| [02:57:34] | ragawu: | as far as I'm concerned if I fail to win this challenge I may as well give up on life itself |
| [02:57:55] | mchou: | ragawu: you're a drama queen |
| [02:57:57] | ragawu: | I'm very childish in that sort of way |
| [02:58:00] | ragawu: | and dramatic |
| [02:58:30] | Juski: | what's giving you so much grief, ragawu? my hassle was that I was trying to install different version numbers of different bits of mythtv.. god only knows how that happenned.. |
| [02:58:38] | ragawu: | ive got really good problem solving skills, but they just don't seem to apply here |
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| [02:58:54] | Juski: | problems are problems – there to be solved :) |
| [02:59:07] | phar0e: | ragawu: tell me your main problem, i'll tell you how to fix it |
| [02:59:26] | Juski: | mythtv isn't bad on its own.. it's just when you're new to linux where things can go bad |
| [02:59:43] | ragawu: | well at the moment, my main problem is that not all of my dvb channels are working |
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| [03:00:00] | mchou: | that's a known myth problem :) |
| [03:00:11] | Juski: | dvb isn't too healthy in 0.19 for a lot of people |
| [03:00:11] | ragawu: | some, like most of the bbc ones, work flawlessly however there is a definite creep in terms of rame rate, though I put that down to something else |
| [03:00:33] | Juski: | if the framerate is bad, your CPU is likely being hogged by the EIT grabber |
| [03:00:47] | ragawu: | the rest of the channels are full of tears, artifacts, weird things that remind me of my tripping days, even weirder things |
| [03:01:02] | Juski: | the patches to make the EIT grabber work better didn't make it into 0.19 |
| [03:01:07] | mchou: | ragawu: haha, and you're complaining??? |
| [03:01:27] | mchou: | ragawu: take some drugs and go on a trip :) |
| [03:01:28] | Juski: | because, funnily enough, the EIT grabber & SIT parser are being rewritten in a new way |
| [03:01:44] | ragawu: | whats SIT while we're on the subject |
| [03:01:53] | Juski: | service information table I think |
| [03:02:07] | phar0e: | funnily enough, lol |
| [03:02:08] | Juski: | that's what contains info about all the channels on each multiplex |
| [03:02:34] | ragawu: | I only have dvb, should I take up another hobby? |
| [03:02:47] | ragawu: | I'm building a projector too... oh god, more horrible stabbign pains |
| [03:02:50] | Juski: | the SIT is what gets looked up regularly to find out which PIDs the channel you want belong to |
| [03:03:47] | Juski: | other problems like pixellation, nasty mpeggyness of the picture – they're mostly down to crap signals or using the wrong mpeg decoder |
| [03:04:21] | Juski: | though good ole freeview in the UK is a bag of shite w.r.t. bitrate some of the time :-/ |
| [03:04:43] | Juski: | goes as low as 500kbits/sec for mpeg2.. and they call that broadcast quality.. ffs |
| [03:05:02] | banyan: | Nice tearing no doubt. |
| [03:05:42] | Juski: | last bit of waffle for now – problems with the QAM64 multiplexes are almost always down to crap (not necessarily low) signals – QAM64 uses less error correction so they can stuff more channels in |
| [03:05:46] | ragawu: | I was wondering about the wrong decoder, sometimes I see error messages about planar decoding or summit, can't find my logs right now. lots of erros like NVP prebuffering pause, dvbsub junk in packet etc |
| [03:06:10] | Juski: | ragawu: do you have a freeview box? |
| [03:06:27] | ragawu: | its great though itv are bringing another channel where you spend hundreds on premium rate telephone numbers only to get nowhere in a rigged quiz show |
| [03:06:30] | Juski: | if yes, does it get a good picture & sound on every channel all the time? |
| [03:06:32] | ragawu: | juski I do |
| [03:06:40] | ragawu: | the picture is perfect all the time |
| [03:06:43] | ragawu: | every channel |
| [03:07:12] | Juski: | what numbers does tzap churn out when you try it without mythbackend running? |
| [03:07:27] | ragawu: | I'll do more 4, particuarly bad |
| [03:07:33] | ragawu: | back in a tic |
| [03:07:49] | Juski: | BER should be in low tens or less.. UNC should ideally be zero |
| [03:08:13] | Juski: | SNR should be either extremely high or low, depending on how the DVB driver for your card works |
| [03:08:23] | Juski: | same goes for signal |
| [03:08:41] | ragawu: | ok I don't do hexadecimel conersions, but heres my last line |
| [03:08:45] | ragawu: | status 1f | signal e86f | snr adad | ber 000008ef | unc 0000002f | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [03:09:06] | ragawu: | ber and unc fairly low, low enough? |
| [03:09:15] | Juski: | good signal level (possibly)... bad BER (bit error rate).. and far too many UNC (uncorrectable errors) |
| [03:09:28] | ragawu: | oh balls :-( |
| [03:09:34] | Juski: | one UNC is a glitch in the stream |
| [03:09:39] | ragawu: | right |
| [03:09:44] | Juski: | where it'll pause, or go badly pixellated |
| [03:10:06] | Juski: | a bit of BER & you might get a very short jump or see nice mpeggy blocks on screen |
| [03:10:09] | ragawu: | should I spend some cash on new proper 'digital ready' coax? |
| [03:10:16] | Juski: | might be an idea |
| [03:10:30] | Juski: | if you have speed controlled fans in your PC case, turn off the speed control |
| [03:10:44] | banyan: | Has anyone built lirc for 2.6.15–1.2054_FC5 on the x86 yet? |
| [03:10:51] | ragawu: | how come pci tuners are so much worse than my ondigi box |
| [03:11:00] | banyan: | I can't get the sucker to compile. |
| [03:11:07] | Juski: | ragawu: inside a PC is no place for a tuner ;-) |
| [03:11:23] | mchou: | ragawu: et a usb one |
| [03:11:26] | mchou: | get* |
| [03:11:33] | ragawu: | could it mainly be down to all the emi stuff? |
| [03:11:44] | Juski: | if you've got a cheap shitty PSU that could even be causing it |
| [03:11:44] | ragawu: | and the wireless lan card... :-/ |
| [03:11:53] | Anduin: | banyan: Where the errors are just go in and bump the kernel version check down |
| [03:11:58] | Juski: | try shutting the WLAN off for a bit, ragawu |
| [03:12:03] | ragawu: | well supposedly not, but I don't really rate antec that much these days |
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| [03:12:20] | ragawu: | I'll do the same tzap and compare |
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| [03:12:24] | Juski: | antec are ok... I meant like 'sumshite' PSUs that come with cases |
| [03:13:27] | banyan: | I'm not sure I'm getting 'that' error. This one is unknown field 'name' specified in initializer while trying to build lirc_i2c.c |
| [03:13:38] | Juski: | another popular source of RFI is PCs is failing capacitors.. check none of your motherboard caps are swollen up on the top |
| [03:13:55] | Anduin: | banyan: You are, look at the source. |
| [03:14:00] | ragawu: | ok without wlan, ber is 0cf3 and unc is 005c roughly |
| [03:14:19] | ragawu: | worse?! |
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| [03:14:26] | Juski: | ragawu: thats a bit worse, so we can discount that |
| [03:14:30] | ragawu: | woohoo |
| [03:14:47] | Juski: | where's the dvb tuner living now? I mean what's it near? |
| [03:15:04] | ragawu: | it's sitting beside the tv and the digibox, on the floor |
| [03:15:14] | Juski: | no I mean in the PCI slots... |
| [03:15:17] | ragawu: | ahahaha |
| [03:15:45] | ragawu: | in this order: radeon agp, belkin pci wlan, kworld dvb, kworld dvb |
| [03:16:07] | Juski: | so they're not even near the AGP card fan (if it has one) |
| [03:16:13] | ragawu: | no fan |
| [03:16:18] | ragawu: | :-) |
| [03:16:23] | Juski: | if you have a voltmeter you could check the PSU voltages |
| [03:16:50] | Juski: | and if you have an oscilloscope handy you could check for noise & ripple on the power rails.. lol |
| [03:16:59] | ragawu: | it's an antec psu, but I'll try and get a hold of one |
| [03:17:09] | ragawu: | id' love an oscilloscope |
| [03:17:15] | Juski: | what's the PSU rated at? |
| [03:17:21] | ragawu: | wish I'd stolen one from school when I had a chance |
| [03:17:29] | ragawu: | ummm 2 ticks |
| [03:18:07] | ragawu: | 300Watts |
| [03:18:22] | Juski: | with Antec that'll really be 300W too |
| [03:18:29] | Juski: | so it's not overloaded.. |
| [03:18:40] | ragawu: | I want to watch a hi hat go through an oscilloscope and give it a cold stare |
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| [03:19:07] | Juski: | right.. next question... this aerial connection.. is it split from anything or are you going straight into the PC? |
| [03:19:35] | ragawu: | well theres a y splitter coming out of the wall. 1 to pc 1 to digibox |
| [03:19:39] | Juski: | and does the aerial plug wobble at all when it's plugged in (that's bad if it does) |
| [03:19:48] | Juski: | take the splitter out & try tzap again |
| [03:19:53] | ragawu: | ok |
| [03:20:24] | Juski: | you can sometimes get away with splitting an aerial feed once or twice without an aerial amplifier, but not all the time |
| [03:20:45] | ragawu: | interesting |
| [03:20:54] | Juski: | and now? |
| [03:20:57] | banyan: | Anduin: I'm looking at the code but I don't understand what I need to do to it...? |
| [03:21:09] | ragawu: | ber is 464 but now the unc is between 0 and e |
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| [03:21:16] | Anduin: | banyan: lirc from CVS? |
| [03:21:17] | ragawu: | much better |
| [03:21:27] | banyan: | This wasn't from cvs, no. |
| [03:21:32] | banyan: | This is just 0.8.0 |
| [03:21:36] | Juski: | ragawu: let's see the numbers then |
| [03:21:39] | ragawu: | ber is still too high right? |
| [03:21:52] | ragawu: | 2 ticks, can't paste |
| [03:22:12] | ragawu: | signal eaff snr bbbb ber 00000464 unc 00000004 |
| [03:22:34] | Juski: | that's a much higher snr, lower ber and a much nicer UNC |
| [03:22:34] | Anduin: | banyan: Not sure 0.8 will have it, but in the CVS version you can see that those fields aren't initialized in newer kernels (i2c changes) |
| [03:22:48] | ragawu: | Juski I could hug you |
| [03:23:06] | banyan: | well, that is true — hence the errors. |
| [03:23:08] | ragawu: | I defiently tried without the splitter a while ago, mst have been facing diff problems |
| [03:23:10] | Anduin: | banyan: For me it is line 363 |
| [03:23:13] | Juski: | ragawu: looks like you need an aerial adjustment (maybe a new aerial – a wideband one) and/or a coax upgrade |
| [03:23:42] | Juski: | ragawu: the thing about standalone boxes is that they've got shit-hot tuners in them these days |
| [03:23:49] | banyan: | For me too. |
| [03:23:50] | ragawu: | what about an amplifier? |
| [03:23:57] | ragawu: | aerial booster |
| [03:24:01] | Juski: | ragawu: yep... |
| [03:24:06] | Anduin: | banyan: Change it. |
| [03:24:18] | banyan: | To...? |
| [03:24:34] | Anduin: | banyan: Change the 16 to a 15 |
| [03:24:45] | mishehu: | hrmf. such a waste... I've had this pchdtv3k card in this machine for a year now and never got around to configuring it. |
| [03:24:47] | Juski: | also – the reason you'll prolly need a new aerial is because in the days of analogue TV, channels were all together in one group of frequencies... with digital TV they're all over the UHF band |
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| [03:25:04] | banyan: | I don't think we're getting the same error anymore. |
| [03:25:11] | ragawu: | aeriel must be over 18 years old |
| [03:25:36] | Anduin: | banyan: pastebin the exact error (if it is the same as last time, it is the same) |
| [03:26:05] | Juski: | ragawu: mebbe time for a new one... it cost me £50 when I moved in my house |
| [03:26:11] | Juski: | new coax & new aerial ;-) |
| [03:26:42] | mishehu: | ooh neat, pchdtv CAN handle hdtv cable signals |
| [03:26:49] | Juski: | then see how it goes without a splitter, then with.. if it's good without a splitter but not with the splitter you'll need a booster, ragawu |
| [03:27:14] | mishehu: | I wonder if cumcast is compatible... |
| [03:27:31] | ragawu: | so change the aerial before buying a booster? |
| [03:27:36] | ragawu: | bit of a price difference |
| [03:27:37] | Juski: | yeh ragawu |
| [03:27:37] | ragawu: | I'm skint |
| [03:27:56] | Juski: | new aerials can be had from maplins for about £15 if you're good up a ladder |
| [03:28:16] | Juski: | good coax is about £1 a metre though.. but cheaper elsewhere |
| [03:28:59] | ragawu: | problem is attic is really hard to get to, external acess through what looks like a kennel door above 2nd floor |
| [03:29:12] | banyan: | Anduin: http://pastebin.com/621133 |
| [03:29:17] | Juski: | oh it's an attic jobby... easy to do yerself |
| [03:29:45] | Anduin: | banyan: And when you change that 16 to a 15? |
| [03:29:50] | Juski: | get a broom handle & note where the current one is pointing, take it down & screw the new one into place along the line of the broomhandle ;-) |
| [03:30:08] | ragawu: | sod it I'm going to give this a go |
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| [03:30:22] | banyan: | The code contains no 16. |
| [03:30:33] | banyan: | Not where it's complaining at least. |
| [03:30:53] | ragawu: | if you don't hear from my it's because I'm now parlayzed |
| [03:30:59] | Juski: | ragawu: it should only involve a no.2 posidrive screwdriver & getting a little bit dusty ;-) |
| [03:31:03] | Anduin: | banyan: 363 doesn't have: #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 6, 15) |
| [03:31:25] | Juski: | it's a bit late in the day for scrambling up to the loft though.. 3.30 in the AM |
| [03:31:35] | banyan: | no. |
| [03:31:38] | banyan: | I pastebinned it. |
| [03:31:43] | ragawu: | putting the thing is no problem, I put my sisers aerial in, it's just getting into the place and scampering around up there, surrounded by god knows what... |
| [03:32:23] | Anduin: | banyan: Ah, didn't scroll down. The CVS version does, after changing the check to 15 from 16 it works for me. |
| [03:32:25] | Juski: | ragawu: when I lined my mythtv aerial up & took a portable telly up there with me to help line it up |
| [03:32:45] | Juski: | much better than trying to listen to 'left a bit'... from the mrs ;-) |
| [03:32:55] | ragawu: | I need a 20 foot ladder |
| [03:33:03] | ragawu: | thats good thinking |
| [03:33:09] | banyan: | And the sucker loads? |
| [03:33:29] | Juski: | heh.. I'm all for making a job easier |
| [03:33:51] | Anduin: | banyan: I've been using it for several days now. |
| [03:34:09] | banyan: | If your modules load, let me know which 0.8.0pre[?] you're running and I'll try that. |
| [03:34:51] | ragawu: | is your setup all working fin Juski, family into it? my worry is I'll get it all workign and everyone will hate it |
| [03:34:56] | ragawu: | fin=fine |
| [03:35:21] | ragawu: | I'll be too bitter to look at the thing |
| [03:35:42] | banyan: | Anduin: which cvs version did you compile from? |
| [03:35:52] | Juski: | ragawu: my wife likes it. my parents are confused by it (dad tried livetv though – oops) |
| [03:36:38] | Juski: | get the occasional crash when mrs has a random remote button pressing frenzy, but nothing a frontend reboot can't fix |
| [03:36:53] | ragawu: | oops cause it's so slow? |
| [03:36:55] | Juski: | it crashes far less often than the NTL cable box, god bless it |
| [03:37:17] | Juski: | no ragawu, cos my wife panics sometimes |
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| [03:37:47] | Juski: | she sets up her own recordings, has friends round to watch films & stuff – she likes it |
| [03:37:58] | ragawu: | well without the splitter, I can now watch the daily show! |
| [03:38:03] | ragawu: | definite progress |
| [03:38:23] | Juski: | a show worth watching, though it'd be nice if we also got the Colbert Report |
| [03:38:39] | DMJC: | had to put a signal amp in my roof today |
| [03:38:41] | ragawu: | not heard of it, american too? |
| [03:38:44] | DMJC: | get SBS now :D |
| [03:38:50] | DMJC: | anime FTW |
| [03:39:00] | Juski: | ragawu: the guy who fronts it started out on the Daily Show |
| [03:39:21] | Juski: | I saw him on some of the 1st episodes more4 showed – he was funny as hell |
| [03:39:40] | ragawu: | balding, tall and with glasses? |
| [03:39:46] | Juski: | I think so |
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| [03:39:58] | ragawu: | yeah the first couple of episodes Isaw were the best |
| [03:40:21] | ragawu: | still good enough to keep me watching |
| [03:40:47] | banyan: | I prefer the daily show still. Colbert is kinda goofy. |
| [03:41:16] | Juski: | it's the best satire around right now |
| [03:41:37] | ragawu: | this may be a stupid question but my digibox has an rf pass through, could that be boosted at all? |
| [03:41:43] | Juski: | though I like "don't watch that, watch this..." |
| [03:41:45] | ragawu: | i might give it a go |
| [03:41:50] | Juski: | ragawu: it'll cost nowt to try it |
| [03:42:05] | ragawu: | indeed |
| [03:42:54] | DMJC: | how much hdd would 24 hours of video take up? |
| [03:43:04] | keith__: | I have a problem with my tv tuner — I dont get any picture from mythtv, tvtime, or xawtv. scantv also does not report any channels. lsmod and lspci both show (what i think is) the correct data. Could someone point me in the right direction for where to start? |
| [03:43:19] | DMJC: | assuming that my mythtv box is recording a channel for 24 hours |
| [03:43:26] | mishehu: | DMJC: that's like asking how many miles per gallon will you get driving from coast to coast |
| [03:43:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | DMJC: Depends on quality settings. |
| [03:43:34] | DMJC: | on default |
| [03:43:45] | mishehu: | DMJC: default is card dependent. |
| [03:43:50] | mishehu: | I'm pretty sure. |
| [03:43:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | DMJC: Default was taking 3gb/hr on PVR-250 |
| [03:44:00] | Juski: | if you're on DVB it also depends on the broadcaster |
| [03:44:14] | Beirdo: | stupid lame/mplayer combo |
| [03:44:15] | mishehu: | I want my D V B.... |
| [03:44:22] | Juski: | here in the Uk channel bitrate varies between 2.5 and 0.5 mbps |
| [03:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | I get around 2.4G per hour, so I'd use about approx 24*2.4G = 57.6G |
| [03:44:25] | banyan: | Anduin: thanks, I downloaded the CVS stuff and it's happy as a clam. |
| [03:44:25] | DMJC: | Jeff-a I'm going to assume 3gb/h |
| [03:44:48] | Juski: | got my pvr150 recording at 2mbits/sec – that's about 2GB/hour |
| [03:44:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | DMJC: I've gotten it down to 1.6GB/h with very good quality. |
| [03:45:14] | Juski: | I could lose some bitrate but I've got plenty disk ;) |
| [03:45:16] | banyan: | Now, for something somewhat different: my ivtv doesn't auto-load the cx8800 and cx88xx modules. |
| [03:45:25] | banyan: | Why not, and how can I get it to>? |
| [03:45:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Juski: mee too — But I like to have lots of choices! (4x200GB = 760GB LVM) |
| [03:47:01] | keith__: | I have a problem with my tv tuner — I dont get any picture from mythtv, tvtime, or xawtv. scantv also does not report any channels. lsmod and lspci both show (what i think is) the correct data. Could someone point me in the right direction for where to start? |
| [03:48:05] | Juski: | keith__: first check your lsmod is showing the right modules loaded |
| [03:48:43] | keith__: | I think it is |
| [03:48:52] | keith__: | it shows the bttv, and bt878 |
| [03:48:58] | keith__: | (and it is a bt878 card) |
| [03:49:12] | kury-: | anyone know why I wouldn't be hearing sound out of my pvr 350?? |
| [03:50:48] | banyan: | because you don't have the cx88xx and cx8800 modules loaded. |
| [03:51:16] | banyan: | do an lsmod and see if they're there. |
| [03:51:34] | keith__: | banyan, is that directed at kury, or me? |
| [03:51:41] | banyan: | kury_. |
| [03:52:37] | banyan: | Mine does the same thing. I assume there would be a tweak to modprobe.conf to fix this but I dunno what. |
| [03:52:41] | kury-: | banyan: I know their not in lsmod... if I have them.. their compiled in.. (do you know where they are in the kernel menu or what they are called?) |
| [03:53:05] | banyan: | Kernel menu? How did you manage that? |
| [03:53:25] | kury-: | banyan, how did I manage what? |
| [03:53:50] | banyan: | getting them in the kernel menu. |
| [03:54:25] | kury-: | banyan, I never said they were... I asked.. |
| [03:55:11] | banyan: | they are called cx88xx and cx8800. Does lsmod show that you have those two modules loaded? |
| [03:55:43] | kury-: | banyan, what card do you have? |
| [03:55:49] | banyan: | a pvr 350. |
| [03:56:35] | ragawu: | Juski: can you believe it, my on digital box is boosting the signal enough that I've got no errors on any channels now... :-) |
| [03:56:39] | kury-: | shouldn't you be using the ivtv drivers? |
| [03:56:44] | banyan: | I am. |
| [03:56:47] | ragawu: | happy me |
| [03:56:49] | banyan: | Those are two of the modules. |
| [03:57:25] | kury-: | banyan, where did you read that? |
| [03:59:03] | kury-: | banyan, as far as I can tell those 2 modules are for the pcHDTV HD-3000 Card not the pvr 350 |
| [03:59:37] | banyan: | Here's what I know. When my hotplug loads ivtv, it does not load those two modules. I get no sound. I have to unload ivtv and reload the modules with those two cx88xx modules and then I get sound. |
| [04:00:02] | banyan: | (Or is it that I can't change channels?) I forget. Anyway, I found that I required them to be loaded. |
| [04:01:23] | kury-: | what distro are you running? |
| [04:01:58] | banyan: | That won't make any difference since the modules load directly into the kernel which is common throughout all distros. But I'm running FC5. |
| [04:02:54] | kury-: | I've never had to have those modules and I've had this card for 3 years.. |
| [04:03:13] | kury-: | what kernel version? |
| [04:03:31] | banyan: | Well, it's possible you just need to do an ivtvctl to up the volume. |
| [04:03:54] | banyan: | 2.6.15–1854 or something like that. |
| [04:04:15] | banyan: | I can't say it's working with the fc5 kernel because I'm not at home to check it. |
| [04:04:29] | banyan: | I'm vnc'd in so I can't flick on the TV and watch / listen. |
| [04:05:37] | banyan: | I never got my ivtv to load off the bat correctly tho. Maybe it's the unload and reload that fixes it, or maybe it's the cx88xx module but it never works right off the bat. |
| [04:06:52] | banyan: | I don't know if I need to massage my modprobe.conf or what. |
| [04:07:17] | kury-: | ... banyan.. its probably the hotplug firmware bug in the 2.6.14+ kernel version.. |
| [04:07:28] | banyan: | Oh! Didn't know there was one. |
| [04:09:01] | kury-: | .. your card doesn't work when you first boot you said? or not until you rmmod... modprobe some stuff around? |
| [04:09:16] | banyan: | kinda yes to both. |
| [04:09:36] | banyan: | Is there a fix/workaround for this bug? |
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| [04:11:01] | kury-: | banyan, somewhere... just a sec.. I'm trying to find where I added it in my startup |
| [04:11:31] | banyan: | You're a gentleman and a scholar, and if I could, I'd give you a dollar. |
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| [04:13:55] | Juski: | ragawu: that's ace news :) |
| [04:14:10] | ragawu: | it is, thanks so much for allthe advice. |
| [04:14:19] | Juski: | yeh no problem |
| [04:14:24] | ragawu: | will save up and get the aeriel swapped over |
| [04:14:42] | Juski: | prolly a good plan |
| [04:15:16] | Juski: | right I must go to bed now... fit to drop |
| [04:15:19] | Juski: | night all |
| [04:15:22] | ragawu: | as far as troubleshooting frame rate, I should make sure I'm not using EIT and also check what decoder is being used |
| [04:15:28] | ragawu: | oh night night |
| [04:15:43] | ragawu: | save that train of thought for another time |
| [04:16:33] | kury-: | banyan, still searching.. |
| [04:18:12] | Juski: | ragawu: yeh go use the xmltv grabber (tv_grab_uk_rt) and make sure EIT is disabled – it'll help loads til it's fixed properly |
| [04:18:47] | ragawu: | cool I'll make sure its not selected anywhere |
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| [04:23:56] | jared442: | does anyone here have experience running mythtv on ubuntu? |
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| [04:25:25] | jared442: | I'm getting some weird errors when I try to open up mythfrontend with any user except the my mythtv user |
| [04:25:28] | jared442: | 2006-03–24 23:24:40.239 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [04:25:28] | jared442: | 2006-03–24 23:24:40.257 XScreenSaver support enabled |
| [04:25:28] | jared442: | 2006-03–24 23:24:40.271 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [04:25:28] | jared442: | 2006-03–24 23:24:40.273 Unable to connect to database! |
| [04:25:29] | jared442: | 2006-03–24 23:24:40.275 Driver error was [1/1045]: |
| [04:25:29] | jared442: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [04:25:31] | jared442: | Database error was: |
| [04:25:33] | jared442: | Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| [04:25:41] | jared442: | any ideas? |
| [04:26:18] | ragawu: | I'm running mythtv on ubuntu |
| [04:26:37] | jared442: | do you have this problem? |
| [04:26:46] | ragawu: | does the other user have granted permissions to connect to the database? |
| [04:26:53] | ragawu: | I've had many problems like that |
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| [04:27:04] | ragawu: | always down to my priviliges being all messed up |
| [04:27:05] | jared442: | i think so |
| [04:27:17] | jared442: | when I say user, I don't mean mysql user |
| [04:27:19] | jared442: | I mean linux user |
| [04:27:25] | jared442: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=426444 |
| [04:27:41] | jared442: | here's a my question posted on linuxquestions.org |
| [04:27:51] | jared442: | doesn't seem like anyone knows what I'm talking about |
| [04:28:36] | ragawu: | I'm reading it |
| [04:28:42] | jared442: | k, thanks |
| [04:30:19] | ragawu: | I had the exact same problem. at one point I changed from using the mythtv (linux) user to my own user account. at that point I couldn't connect to the mysql database using the mythtv (mysql) username |
| [04:31:23] | jared442: | did you ever figure out why i didn't work? |
| [04:32:24] | jared442: | funny thing is that as the linux user "jared" I can connect the the mysql database when using the mysql command. But for some reason, I can't connect through the mythtv frontend |
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| [04:32:46] | jared442: | jared@Blue:~$ mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [04:32:46] | jared442: | Enter password: |
| [04:32:46] | jared442: | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or g. |
| [04:32:46] | jared442: | Your MySQL connection id is 65 to server version: 4.0.24_Debian-10ubuntu2-log |
| [04:32:46] | jared442: | Type 'help;' or 'h' for help. Type 'c' to clear the buffer. |
| [04:32:47] | jared442: | mysql> |
| [04:32:58] | ragawu: | I just wrote a lond bit of spiel then read what you just put in |
| [04:33:14] | ragawu: | my problem was I couldnt' connect using mysql -u etc either |
| [04:33:22] | jared442: | oh |
| [04:33:29] | ragawu: | thats a strange one |
| [04:33:59] | sphing: | jared442: is your backend using 127.0.0.1? |
| [04:34:30] | jared442: | no, I'm pretty sure I told mythtv to use really ip addresses |
| [04:34:30] | ragawu: | oh yeah I gave up on trying to use my static lan ip, I HAD to use the loopback address |
| [04:34:39] | jared442: | lol |
| [04:34:58] | jared442: | you told the back end to use the loop back? |
| [04:35:12] | ragawu: | I don't know it they were related, but both problems were around at the same time |
| [04:35:23] | kury-: | pvr 350 fuzzy channles.. and no sound ?? |
| [04:35:27] | sphing: | jared442: the problem is your mysql command line is using 127.0.0.1 and mythtv is using the lan address |
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| [04:35:42] | ragawu: | in mythtv-setup I set 127.0.0.1 and in mythfrontend setup bit I use "localhost" |
| [04:35:58] | jared442: | i see |
| [04:36:07] | banyan: | kury- : ever find that tweak? |
| [04:36:21] | jared442: | I'll try that, but your problem could have been related to another problem I found |
| [04:36:30] | jared442: | I think I posted that one too |
| [04:36:32] | jared442: | let me check |
| [04:36:53] | jared442: | here it is |
| [04:36:53] | jared442: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=426112 |
| [04:36:53] | ragawu: | cool |
| [04:36:57] | kury-: | banyan, still looking.. I'm starting to wonder if I never put it anywhere... and the card must of just started working w/ a newer kernel version.. |
| [04:37:07] | kury-: | or patch.. |
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| [04:37:24] | jared442: | on the bottom I talk about connecting multiple frontends |
| [04:37:56] | ragawu: | jared are you using the kworld dvb-t pci card? |
| [04:38:30] | banyan: | That might be what I find too. |
| [04:38:36] | jared442: | so basically I'm saying that using a loop back address might have worked just because mysql blocks out outside users from accessing the database |
| [04:38:51] | jared442: | no, kworld 878 card |
| [04:39:01] | ragawu: | got you |
| [04:39:30] | ragawu: | I'll give it a go with the real ip |
| [04:39:49] | jared442: | k |
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| [04:40:32] | ragawu: | I was looking for the skip-networkign bit in mysql/my.cnf |
| [04:40:43] | ragawu: | reading too many OUT OF DATE how tos |
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| [04:40:50] | ragawu: | web's covered in them |
| [04:40:54] | jared442: | yeah, lol |
| [04:41:12] | jared442: | it took me a few days of searching to figure that one out |
| [04:41:26] | jared442: | connecting from real ips i mean |
| [04:41:40] | kury-: | banyan, one easy way to tell if you even need this fix/patch .. is after you freshly reboot... run rmmod ivtv and unload your other cx88 modules aswell (I'm 99% sure those aren't needed and are just trash) then run dmesg -c;modprobe ivtv then run dmesg again |
| [04:41:59] | ragawu: | it's funny once you have everything working, you can recreate your whole system from scratch in a fraction of the time |
| [04:41:59] | kury-: | banyan, if that last run of dmesg doesn't say it had a problem loading the firmware... your fine |
| [04:42:42] | jared442: | yep |
| [04:42:49] | banyan: | It didn't. |
| [04:42:56] | jared442: | but it's hell figuring out the little tricks |
| [04:42:59] | banyan: | complain, that is. |
| [04:44:32] | jared442: | I also found this little readme doc on my computer |
| [04:44:34] | jared442: | (README.Debian) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MythTV for Debian ----------------- This package is set up so that mythtv should be run as the mythtv user. For a dedicated mythtv system, you may wish to set up your display manager (e.g., gdm) to automatically login as the mythtv user and start mythfrontend. — Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org >, Mon May 23 14:13:46 2005 |
| [04:44:59] | jared442: | I emailed the address, but I haven't heard anything about this yet |
| [04:45:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | Matt doesn't maintain the debian packages anymore. someone else is making ones for newer Myth versions. |
| [04:45:41] | jared442: | well that would explain it |
| [04:45:45] | jared442: | thanks |
| [04:45:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | yw |
| [04:46:15] | kury-: | pvr 350: fuzzy channles.. and no sound I just installed the ivtv drivers.. am I missing some config or setup step? |
| [04:46:21] | jared442: | I don't think I ever had this problem when I was running fedora |
| [04:46:46] | banyan: | kury-: did you try doing an ivtvctl to up the volume? |
| [04:46:56] | jared442: | so it must just be limited to debian related OSs |
| [04:47:13] | ragawu: | were you emailing about how to login automatically and start frontend? |
| [04:47:35] | jared442: | no, I was emailing about the "This package is set up so that mythtv should be run as the mythtv user" part |
| [04:47:45] | ragawu: | oh sorry man I'm half asleep |
| [04:47:59] | jared442: | I wonder exactly what the guy meant |
| [04:48:09] | kury-: | banyan, ya... nothing |
| [04:48:23] | kury-: | banyan, but the channles are fuzzy aswell... which concernes me.. |
| [04:48:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds like there should be a 'mythtv' user that mythfrontend will get run as. |
| [04:49:27] | jared442: | there is, and everything works get when I use the linux mythtv user to launch the mythfrontend |
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| [04:49:39] | jared442: | but I just don't want to by typing su all the time |
| [04:50:12] | jared442: | actually to get it to work, I have to do xhost +, then su mythtv, then mythfrontend |
| [04:50:20] | jared442: | it's kind of annoying |
| [04:50:44] | jared442: | I'd like to just be able to make a launcher on my desktop to open up mythtv |
| [04:50:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | what error does it give you when you run it as another user? |
| [04:51:15] | jared442: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=426444 |
| [04:51:32] | jared442: | this link explains my problem |
| [04:51:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | is the database local? |
| [04:51:59] | jared442: | yes |
| [04:53:20] | kury-: | banyan, nice... got taht fixed.. |
| [04:53:30] | banyan: | Oh, how? |
| [04:54:02] | kury-: | banyan, I uninstalled the drivers.. then recompiled/installed |
| [04:54:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | jared442: do you have a mysql.txt file to tell myth where the DB is? |
| [04:54:43] | kury-: | banyan, now I'm off to the mythtv wiki |
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| [04:55:15] | banyan: | veni, vidi, wiki. |
| [04:55:32] | jared442: | I don't know, where is the mysql.txt file stored? |
| [04:55:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | "locate mysql.txt" |
| [04:56:17] | jared442: | looks like a i've got a few of them |
| [04:56:20] | ragawu: | its edited by mythfrontend's setup page, stored into the .mythtv directory inside whichever user's home directory |
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| [04:56:33] | jared442: | ~/.mythtv$ locate mysql.txt |
| [04:56:33] | jared442: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:56:33] | jared442: | /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt.dist |
| [04:56:33] | jared442: | /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:56:33] | jared442: | /home/jared/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:56:34] | jared442: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:56:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | and you're trying to run this as the 'jared' user? |
| [04:56:55] | ragawu: | dunno why theres one in /etc.... |
| [04:56:55] | jared442: | yes |
| [04:57:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | copy /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt to /home/jared/.mythtv/mysql.txt and give it another try |
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| [04:58:43] | jared442: | that did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| [04:58:48] | jared442: | thank you so much! |
| [04:58:58] | jared442: | ls |
| [04:59:02] | jared442: | opps |
| [04:59:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | yw |
| [04:59:41] | |splat|: | can anyone offer me some help on installing dvb-atsc-tools please? following the readme and typing make then make install gives me errors like its looking to patch xine-lib |
| [04:59:42] | ragawu: | sorry jared I fell into that trap too. just too many things that I messed up to be able to recant them at leisure |
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| [04:59:58] | ragawu: | my brain is soggy |
| [05:00:09] | jared442: | that's ok, thanks for your help anyway |
| [05:00:45] | ragawu: | just beware if you're trying to use a user other than mythtv that you might have duplicate configuration files allover the place |
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| [05:01:08] | jared442: | k |
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| [05:03:42] | ragawu: | does anyone know how to configure php use on apache2 server? I can't get mythweb to work, complains that I need to install the mysql libraries for php (php4-mysql) which I have already |
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| [05:04:21] | jared442: | I have no Idea ragawu, sorry |
| [05:04:22] | ragawu: | browsing the localhost/mythweb/ folder gives me a directory view rather than parse the php file |
| [05:04:49] | |splat|: | ragawu: what is complaining about php4 modules |
| [05:05:13] | ragawu: | thats fine jared. someone out there is a genius waiting to help, |
| [05:05:19] | jared442: | lol |
| [05:05:25] | |splat|: | the fact that it isn't parsing if probably because you don't have the necesary php info in your http.conf |
| [05:05:37] | ragawu: | hrmm I've just slapped myself |
| [05:05:50] | ragawu: | mythweb.php is telling me this... |
| [05:06:01] | ragawu: | so php is working, just not the database link. |
| [05:06:14] | |splat|: | so mysql is running |
| [05:06:20] | ragawu: | yes |
| [05:06:22] | |splat|: | and php is trying to parse |
| [05:06:32] | |splat|: | but the connection between php and mysel isn't there |
| [05:06:38] | |splat|: | mysql |
| [05:06:58] | |splat|: | php4 and mysql3? |
| [05:07:09] | ragawu: | well I dunno what the mythweb.php script does but it's complaining about a lack of mysql libraries for php, which I *should* have installed |
| [05:08:20] | |splat|: | most recent versions of php come with mysql modules/files/libraries in their necessary locations..where as older versions were more "open" making you move the libraries you needed |
| [05:08:21] | ragawu: | mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, |
| [05:08:30] | ragawu: | does that mean mysql4 ? |
| [05:08:33] | |splat|: | yeah |
| [05:09:05] | ragawu: | so it should work out of the box, the apache server |
| [05:09:11] | ragawu: | erk I mean the php module |
| [05:09:20] | |splat|: | i'm not a 'guru', but, i do know that the readme in php has a lot of good info in it |
| [05:09:44] | ragawu: | I'll give it a good read |
| [05:09:50] | |splat|: | you need to insert the apporpriate lines in to apaches httpd.conf |
| [05:09:55] | ragawu: | when my brain isn't so soggy |
| [05:10:07] | |splat|: | and you need to config the php.ini correctly |
| [05:10:07] | ragawu: | ok |
| [05:10:25] | |splat|: | so i would check those, php i have found to have very good documentation |
| [05:10:55] | |splat|: | and generally all errors i have had with php have been due to misreading or overlooking |
| [05:13:10] | ragawu: | it's annoying, because in another incarnation of this attempt at installing mythtv on ubuntu I had it working fine. which leads me to think my whole system is riddled with cracks |
| [05:13:27] | ragawu: | oh well |
| [05:14:15] | |splat|: | well, i think that a distro like ubuntu is more likely to have everything preconfigured |
| [05:14:17] | ragawu: | apparantly httpd.conf is "here for backwards compatability reasons and to support |
| [05:14:18] | ragawu: | # installing 3rd party modules directly via apxs2, rather than |
| [05:14:18] | ragawu: | # through the /etc/apache2/mods-{available,enabled} mechanism. |
| [05:14:22] | |splat|: | so it seems like it "just works" |
| [05:14:29] | ragawu: | shit I need to stop pasting things |
| [05:14:54] | ragawu: | no matter how small it looks somewhere else, it always seems to take up a page on mirc |
| [05:15:14] | Beirdo: | mirc-- |
| [05:15:59] | |splat|: | http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php |
| [05:16:25] | |splat|: | i heart php.net |
| [05:16:26] | ragawu: | do all irc clients look this bare? |
| [05:16:45] | |splat|: | what do you mean by "bare" and what irc client are you running |
| [05:16:46] | Beirdo: | you have naked IRC? |
| [05:17:00] | ragawu: | mirc on windows |
| [05:17:20] | Beirdo: | get a real IRC client :) hehe |
| [05:17:23] | ragawu: | the font is poor |
| [05:17:32] | |splat|: | you can change everything |
| [05:17:44] | ragawu: | whats better to use? |
| [05:17:51] | |splat|: | i always use mirc in windows |
| [05:17:54] | Beirdo: | I use xchat |
| [05:18:05] | Beirdo: | in Windows, OSX, Linux |
| [05:18:09] | jared442: | I use gaim |
| [05:18:15] | |splat|: | xchat in linux |
| [05:18:36] | ragawu: | do you get gaim for windows? |
| [05:18:40] | Beirdo: | irssi is good too |
| [05:18:59] | |splat|: | i didn't like gaim in windows...i had a custom modified AIM that i used |
| [05:19:15] | jared442: | yeah, i use gaim in windows |
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| [05:19:27] | jared442: | course, I using linux now |
| [05:19:32] | |splat|: | i'd use miranda-im before gaim in windows |
| [05:20:13] | ragawu: | hrmm which one to choose... :-{ |
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| [05:20:24] | Beirdo: | I use bitlbee with xchat through irssi proxy |
| [05:21:02] | |splat|: | BitchX is the way to go |
| [05:21:06] | |splat|: | truely |
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| [05:21:22] | Beirdo: | yuck |
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| [05:26:06] | adante: | heh bitlbee/irssi combo represent |
| [05:26:12] | adante: | true to its namesake bitchx is just masochistic |
| [05:26:16] | kury-: | how do I fix.. or why would my tv input be getting out of sync (video/audio wise)? |
| [05:26:44] | kury-: | the video starts to fall behind the audio.. and eventualy the audio will just stop after hours.. if I let it continue.. |
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| [05:30:55] | Beirdo: | sigh... |
| [05:30:58] | Beirdo: | back to work. |
| [05:31:15] | Beirdo: | disassembling the entertainment unit all my computers are on |
| [05:31:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:31:33] | Beirdo: | trying to do so without power cycling any computers |
| [05:31:54] | Beirdo: | I think my asterisk box and the firewall will need to get a power cycle though |
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| [05:36:24] | ragawu: | this doesn't seem to be working then |
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| [05:40:41] | |splat|: | i wish i could get these damn dvb tools to install |
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| [05:51:26] | kury-: | how do I use the pvr 350 TV out as my desktop? |
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| [05:57:44] | ragawu: | bedtime thanks for help |
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| [06:24:13] | Beirdo: | transplant complete |
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| [06:26:25] | banyan: | Hey, now that I've done my ivtv upgrade, fc5 upgrade, kernel upgrade... mythtv will play recorded stuff but I can't watch live tv. |
| [06:26:42] | banyan: | how to fix that? |
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| [07:31:43] | Ediehow: | ah POOP |
| [07:31:51] | Ediehow: | upgrading to fc5 overwrote httpd.conf for some reason |
| [07:31:58] | Ediehow: | what do i need to do to get mythweb not showing dir again? |
| [07:32:58] | eiggirC: | is there any advantage to adding a slave backend that has no tuner card? |
| [07:33:10] | eiggirC: | I mean – will commercial flagging happen any faster? |
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| [08:06:03] | prologic: | hi, I have 8 thtmes installed, but only 2/8 are being shown in Setup -> Appearance |
| [08:06:08] | prologic: | any reason for this ? |
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| [08:14:11] | coopster: | eiggirC, the slave backend could do flagging and transcoding jobs, yes |
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| [09:11:50] | haj: | hey, anyone new inhere thats using a PVR-500? |
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| [09:20:39] | gnuyen: | hi |
| [09:20:45] | gnuyen: | is there an intel mac os x build of .18? |
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| [09:26:14] | nathanh: | gday, in mythtv 0.18 you could change down-arrow so instead of jumping 10 minutes, you could jump any number you liked |
| [09:26:25] | nathanh: | i cant find the same option in 0.19, how can i set it so down-arrow jumps 3 minutes? |
| [09:26:40] | nathanh: | ive been hitting "3" followed by down-arrow, but thats annoying as all heck |
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| [09:29:09] | Anduin: | nathanh: Look at your playback group settings. |
| [09:29:20] | nathanh: | playback group, ok thanks |
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| [09:34:52] | nathanh: | found it, thanks :-) |
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| [10:29:01] | haj: | 2 |
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| [10:44:53] | Juski: | morning all |
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| [10:55:32] | Juski: | morning Coume. how's life in our delightful country today? ;) |
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| [11:37:43] | Calroth: | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/24/music-thing-scrambled-hackz/ |
| [11:37:53] | Calroth: | weird. but cool |
| [11:40:34] | Coume: | pretty good juski :) |
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| [12:16:17] | k-man: | is there a way to use a different music player in mythtv other than mythmusic? |
| [12:16:42] | mchou: | wow, this is too funny: http://www.caplakesting.com/2006_catalog/de/index.htm |
| [12:17:58] | mchou: | Man, I couldn't come up with a better parody if I tried....... |
| [12:20:49] | Juski: | k-man of course it is, but you'll have to edit the menus yourself |
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| [12:25:57] | k-man: | Juski, oh... so myth could just call any program |
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| [12:26:04] | k-man: | not just mythmusic? |
| [12:26:52] | Huijari: | err, how do i specify my music and video paths in mythmusic and mythvideo? |
| [12:27:42] | k-man: | in mythtv-setup iirc |
| [12:29:36] | Huijari: | nope |
| [12:29:38] | Juski: | k-man... yes you can... look in the wiki |
| [12:29:46] | k-man: | ok |
| [12:30:10] | Huijari: | there's an item for both in the mythfrontend setup menu, but i can't find a place to set my music and video paths |
| [12:30:25] | Huijari: | *items |
| [12:30:37] | Juski: | Huijari: you specify the paths in mythfrontend in utilities/settings > settings > media settings > music > general and >media settings > video > general |
| [12:31:10] | Juski: | I have GOT to play with that Scrambled?Hacks thing – I mess with video a lot & it looks amazing |
| [12:31:44] | k-man: | Juski, can you point me where to look? |
| [12:32:22] | Juski: | k-man.. just look – I don't know exactly where it is either... but you can add a new button in theme.xml for the theme you currently use |
| [12:32:23] | Huijari: | Juski: oh, thanks |
| [12:32:38] | k-man: | ok |
| [12:32:40] | k-man: | thanks |
| [12:32:58] | Juski: | bah... Scrambled?Hacks hasn't yet been released :-/ |
| [12:33:05] | Juski: | but it's given me some ideas anyway |
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| [12:35:26] | skipjack: | Hello, is it possibel to buy a WinPVR 150 remote controll ? becuase I have bought the TV card without remote controll buy I want a remote contorll |
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| [12:36:06] | Juski: | skipjack: you can buy lots of different remote control packages |
| [12:36:21] | skipjack: | Juski,? yes ? |
| [12:36:25] | Juski: | if you have a seperate frontend & backend you'd need a different remote system anyway |
| [12:36:28] | laga: | hiya Juski |
| [12:36:35] | Juski: | hiya laga :) |
| [12:37:24] | skipjack: | Juski, you mean differnent forntend and backend .. like the software? .. I will controll my Media Pc with a remote controll such a TV |
| [12:38:06] | Juski: | skipjack: no I meant if frontend and backend are in different machines |
| [12:38:34] | Juski: | ATI remote wonder works in Linux, as does the (eek!) windows MCE remote I think |
| [12:39:02] | Juski: | and you can buy a LIRC serial port receiver you can train to work with any infra red remote you want |
| [12:40:15] | skipjack: | Juski, oh no it the same machine .. |
| [12:40:36] | skipjack: | Juski, oky thx .. |
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| [12:41:09] | Juski: | so, how's laga today? |
| [12:41:15] | skipjack: | I will build me a LIRC serial port receiver .. have you and good website who I can buy one or get an develop-plan ? |
| [12:41:31] | Juski: | I'm looking forward to going clubbing tonight.. out on the tiles.. yay! |
| [12:41:32] | laga: | Juski: sore throat, but i feel great after 12 hours of sleep ;). what about you? |
| [12:41:41] | laga: | skipjack: www.lirc.org :) |
| [12:41:50] | Juski: | laga: I've been playing with some mixing ideas |
| [12:42:17] | laga: | Juski: cocktails? |
| [12:42:18] | laga: | im ernst: du fragst oeffentlich, dann praesentiere dich so, dass man lust bekommt, mehr zu erfahren. wenn du das nicht kannst, dann lass uns wenigstens noch ein wenig mehr ueber dich lachen. |
| [12:42:22] | laga: | los! |
| [12:42:23] | laga: | oops, sorry! |
| [12:42:26] | laga: | stupid key |
| [12:43:03] | Juski: | laga: no... musak ;) |
| [12:43:25] | laga: | Juski: nice :) let me know if you put something on the intarweb |
| [12:43:35] | skipjack: | oky .. |
| [12:43:39] | Juski: | laga: I'll upload the track I deleted in my fit of rage... |
| [12:43:56] | laga: | Juski: :/ |
| [12:44:37] | Juski: | I gotta learn some self control... |
| [12:44:56] | Juski: | think I'll link my theme in the wiki again then change my password to asdghsjdgsjfsahfgsdhfgsfgsjk |
| [12:45:38] | Mobleman: | Hmm... my mythtv-setup can't connect to my database... :( http://pastebin.com/621525 |
| [12:46:44] | Juski: | Mobleman: do you have Qt-mysql thingy installed? |
| [12:46:54] | Juski: | I mean QT built with mysql support? |
| [12:47:07] | Mobleman: | Hmm.. no I don't thinks so.. |
| [12:47:39] | Mobleman: | I just installed qt.. |
| [12:48:23] | Juski: | well, you kinda need Qt to support mysql, or you're screwed |
| [12:50:11] | Mobleman: | Juski: And qt have to be >3 and <4 right? |
| [12:51:35] | Juski: | yep |
| [12:52:07] | Juski: | laga: now_thats_what_I_call_the_shit_volume_2 is almost uploaded again |
| [12:54:32] | TakKovacs: | has anyone had any luck with myblaster and foxtel digital ? |
| [12:55:11] | skipjack: | is there an Lirc module for USB ? |
| [12:55:25] | Juski: | TakKovacs: should be easy to get a LIRC file if there aren't any available to download... just use irrecord to learn your foxtel remote ;) |
| [12:56:08] | TakKovacs: | thanks Juski..from my reading myblaster doesn't use Lirc as such..it's got a perl script which talks to it |
| [12:56:29] | TakKovacs: | but Lirc should aslo work with some messing about |
| [12:58:29] | Juski: | well I imagine it uses LIRC to send the IR signals... |
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| [13:04:06] | TakKovacs: | that's what I thought..but if you do a bit of searching...there is a perl script which writes directly to a serial port |
| [13:04:44] | TakKovacs: | kinda cool b/c you don't need two instances of lirc running if you use a diff receiver |
| [13:04:59] | TakKovacs: | 2xlirc=bad |
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| [13:06:09] | Juski: | perl? to woggle a serial port line? yikes.. sounds awfully messy |
| [13:06:22] | Mobleman: | Juski: I've downloaded the newest 3.x snapshot of qt from the official homepage now... |
| [13:06:24] | Mobleman: | :P |
| [13:07:20] | TakKovacs: | yup...nah the code looks ok..they talk about mythtv support on their homepage..I'm more concerned about foxtel support...notoriously hard stb's to control |
| [13:10:33] | laga: | Juski: thx for the url |
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| [13:14:21] | Juski: | np laga ;) |
| [13:14:51] | Juski: | a friend of mine challenged me to put as many songs into as short a time as possible, so i tried it |
| [13:15:44] | Mobleman: | Juski: Do you know anything about qt? I just got the thought: "Are the qt-mysql-thingy in the qt package, I just downloaded..." |
| [13:16:49] | Juski: | Mobleman: well I do know for sure you need mysql support in Qt or mythtv just won't work at all |
| [13:17:33] | Mobleman: | Yea.. but I've searched and searched... but could not find any qt-mysql package.. |
| [13:17:36] | Mobleman: | :/ |
| [13:17:51] | Juski: | they exist.. for sure |
| [13:18:40] | Juski: | what distro do you use? |
| [13:18:55] | Juski: | if it's FC, welcome to dependency hell.. muhahahahahaha |
| [13:21:01] | Huijari: | :D |
| [13:21:03] | Huijari: | gentoo <3 |
| [13:24:31] | Mobleman: | Juski: Ubuntu... |
| [13:24:52] | laga: | Juski: you are weird. :P |
| [13:25:24] | Juski: | lol laga |
| [13:25:37] | Juski: | weird? but I don't even have a beard! |
| [13:25:44] | Juski: | :P |
| [13:26:17] | Juski: | btw that mix thing is no reflection of my musical taste (or lack of).. .listening to Groove Armada right now |
| [13:26:33] | laga: | hehe |
| [13:26:51] | laga: | wow, i kinda like what you did to "eye of the tiger" |
| [13:27:08] | Juski: | yeh the beyonce thing was pretty obvious I thought |
| [13:27:23] | laga: | hehe |
| [13:27:42] | Mobleman: | EYE OF THE TIGER!! :D |
| [13:27:56] | Mobleman: | :P |
| [13:28:07] | Juski: | laga: you should have a look at the link posted for Scrambled?Hacks... that is one uuuuber cool program by the look of it |
| [13:28:18] | laga: | i was gonna buy a AC/DC cd yesterday. the store didn't have any in stock. they 4 david hasselhoff cds, though. :/ |
| [13:28:19] | Juski: | it turns real time audio input into a musical mash-up |
| [13:28:29] | Juski: | ROFLMAO |
| [13:28:39] | laga: | s/they/they had/ |
| [13:28:42] | Juski: | the state of rawwwk today eh? |
| [13:29:11] | laga: | hehe |
| [13:29:21] | laga: | well, i just got myself a metallica cd then, but it still sucks |
| [13:30:43] | Juski: | my roommate at college would listen to death metal very loud when i got in from lectures... and I'd still fall asleep |
| [13:31:32] | laga: | i was once playing nightwish when i went to bed. then i woke up two hours later because the stupid mp3 player would blast death metal :/ |
| [13:32:20] | Juski: | oops;) |
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| [13:38:15] | scopeuk: | trivia: david hastle hoff was bigger than the beatles in germany |
| [13:39:02] | Juski: | where the beatles really that small? lol |
| [13:39:33] | Mobleman: | Zzzzz... compiling qt is really a long process! |
| [13:39:35] | Mobleman: | :D |
| [13:39:47] | scopeuk: | :D |
| [13:39:54] | Juski: | oh... if you're using gentoo you need MYSQL in your use flags |
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| [13:40:21] | Juski: | so it pulls in qt-mysql-dev or whatever |
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| [13:43:37] | Mobleman: | Juski: I'm using Ubuntu... |
| [13:45:23] | scopeuk: | heh ubanta users have no right to complane about compilign for weeks they voluntered for it |
| [13:45:52] | scopeuk: | oops /me saw ubanta and thought gentoo |
| [13:46:02] | Juski: | Mobleman: so why are you compiling Qt? |
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| [13:49:37] | Mobleman: | Because the qt package I've installed, obviously don't contain the qt-mysql |
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| [14:02:09] | Berny_: | I can't see an obvious answer, but I am sure that it's a simple question, I just don't know where to look... |
| [14:02:31] | Berny_: | I have setup lirc, but if I try to bind a key to a remote control button press, it doesn't work |
| [14:02:36] | Berny_: | what should I belooking at? |
| [14:02:55] | Berny_: | if I go into irw I can see the buttons being pressed, how do I map these to mythtv keys? |
| [14:03:14] | Juski: | you need a lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/ |
| [14:03:33] | Juski: | examples of those can be found all over the internet |
| [14:03:42] | Berny_: | ok thanks, will take a look |
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| [14:16:32] | shuffle2: | hi all |
| [14:17:48] | shuffle2: | does anyone know if a DFI RS482 Infinity mobo is a good choice for a hdtv pvr? (it has an onboard ati x300) |
| [14:18:39] | laga: | probably not. :) |
| [14:19:13] | shuffle2: | could you explain a bit please? I'm new to the htpc/pvr scene ;) |
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| [14:20:02] | laga: | well, ati cards don't support xvmc which may help with playback a lot (check the mythtv wiki). and the ati binary drivers aren't that great |
| [14:20:36] | haj: | Anyone use PVR-500 in a s939 AGP motherboard? |
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| [14:21:11] | shuffle2: | oh yeah.....forgot this is a linux channel *_* |
| [14:21:29] | laga: | shuffle2: ?! |
| [14:22:05] | shuffle2: | i was really wondering if a x300 is capable of being used in a hdtv pvr setup (and delivering watchable framerates) |
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| [14:23:28] | shuffle2: | laga: i have nvidia for my linux boxes; I'm building a htpc for my friends dad, and might not neccessarily be using linux.....just thought this channel would be full of experienced people :| |
| [14:24:08] | laga: | shuffle2: *shrug* microsoft htpcs are different business, hardware-wise |
| [14:24:23] | shuffle2: | :'( |
| [14:25:07] | shuffle2: | i just dont want to have to buy a passive cooled 6600gt if i don't have to....... |
| [14:25:17] | shuffle2: | aight, thanks anyway |
| [14:27:22] | Juski: | for tips on windows HTPCs visit www.thegreenbutton.com |
| [14:27:41] | Juski: | they did a 'great' review of mythtv there... "tried it for 10 minutes, couldn't get it to work, dumped it" |
| [14:28:52] | shuffle2: | dont get me wrong, i'd use mythtv for myself, but i dont have the kind of money to build a htpc for myself... |
| [14:29:33] | Juski: | even if money were no object I'd still use mythtv |
| [14:31:10] | shuffle2: | another question: are there any hdtv tuners that also can tune analog channels? if so, is the quality lower than a hauppage 150? (which i take to be the best analog tuner) |
| [14:32:01] | Juski: | there are hdtv tuners that do analogue stuff, but they're all strictly framegrabbers on that part so you'll need to use software encoding (bleuch!) |
| [14:33:35] | shuffle2: | ah |
| [14:34:01] | shuffle2: | but am i right in guessing the hauppage 150 is top-of-the-line? |
| [14:34:51] | Juski: | there are dual tuners to consider like the pvr500 and the hvr series |
| [14:35:55] | shuffle2: | ...i don't really get the point of dual tuners...can't you just switch back to normal tv and record in the background? |
| [14:35:57] | laga: | Juski: the hvr series, do they do dvb? |
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| [14:36:08] | Juski: | yeh laga they do dvb |
| [14:36:13] | laga: | Juski: ah, k |
| [14:36:16] | Juski: | dvb-t only I think |
| [14:36:36] | Juski: | the hvr1300 is a dvb-t and pvr analogue card in one |
| [14:36:49] | laga: | with a hardware encoder? |
| [14:36:49] | Juski: | hvr1100 is dvb-t and lame-grabber |
| [14:37:01] | shuffle2: | ps- im in north america, so i wouldn't need to worry about dvb...right? |
| [14:37:10] | D-side: | shuffle2: no, you cant. |
| [14:37:18] | Juski: | ATSC is all you need to be concerned about |
| [14:37:19] | D-side: | in regards to the "record in the background" question |
| [14:37:33] | shuffle2: | thanks d-side |
| [14:37:50] | Juski: | you can record a show, then watch the recording as it's still being recorded |
| [14:38:20] | D-side: | shuffle2: you also should take into account the concept of overlapping recordings, say you want to record an hour long show at 9, and another at 9:30 |
| [14:38:24] | D-side: | etc etc. |
| [14:38:26] | D-side: | afk, breakfast. |
| [14:40:22] | shuffle2: | so....back to the beginning :) how much video card horsepower does a pvr need in general? |
| [14:41:02] | Juski: | for SDTV? nvidia 5200 or so |
| [14:41:10] | Juski: | and as little as <1Ghz |
| [14:41:30] | Juski: | for HDTV you're looking at nvidia 5200 + .. and then > 2Ghz CPU (ish) |
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| [14:42:36] | shuffle2: | right now i have planned to use a amd a64 3000 (S939) and on-board ati x300 |
| [14:42:50] | shuffle2: | i just cant figure out the ati-nvidia ratio |
| [14:43:04] | shuffle2: | stupid naming conventions >:( |
| [14:43:20] | Juski: | if you wanna do HDTV, avoid ATI unless you're gonna have a hugely powerful CPU |
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| [14:43:48] | ** Juski would just avoid ATI on principle anyway ** | |
| [14:44:02] | shuffle2: | hm |
| [14:44:11] | JohnP789: | Can an nVidia show video on a monitor and on the TV output at the same time? My ATI seems unable to do it. Overlay on one output at a time only. |
| [14:44:27] | shuffle2: | but the dfi rs482 looks sooo good :'( |
| [14:44:42] | Juski: | JohnP789: I've had my Gf4 do it |
| [14:44:46] | Juski: | (I think) |
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| [14:46:02] | Juski: | wow.. the rs482 has rear mounted SPDIF.. that's rare |
| [14:46:29] | Juski: | normally at the front on those little chassis... which is v.v.v.v.v bad! |
| [14:50:15] | shuffle2: | juski: id be using a audigy 4 pro (w/ breakout) because the dude i'm building this for wants it to be able to record his vinyls |
| [14:50:41] | shuffle2: | and he also has sweet 7.1 speaker setup ;) |
| [14:51:43] | Juski: | audigy? if you want proper quality get a real soundcard |
| [14:52:00] | shuffle2: | eh? |
| [14:52:01] | Juski: | even a $10 card with digital out can do 7.1 surround |
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| [14:52:21] | Juski: | sound quality != DSPs messing up the audio |
| [14:52:29] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [14:52:54] | Juski: | it might sound 'nice' but whether or not it's truly what was recorded is up for debate |
| [14:53:06] | shuffle2: | yeah, but the breakout box has nice rca connectors for the turntable (with a ground!) ;) |
| [14:53:34] | Juski: | a good phono preamp & cheaper soundcard will do the same job |
| [14:53:54] | Juski: | it's good & all that but prolly not worth the price tag they hang on it, especially for using in Linux |
| [14:54:39] | shuffle2: | $100 rebate on it till the end of march (from newegg) |
| [14:54:49] | Juski: | it costs more than $200? |
| [14:54:58] | Juski: | ! |
| [14:55:01] | shuffle2: | hehe |
| [14:55:12] | JohnP789: | What's the current best-practice for quick conversion of ivtv NUV files to DVD for playback on old standalone DVD players? |
| [14:55:17] | shuffle2: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102181 |
| [14:55:20] | JohnP789: | nuvexport + what backend? |
| [14:56:07] | shuffle2: | juski: what do you think? |
| [14:56:34] | Juski: | shuffle2: I think it'd be a waste of money IMHO |
| [14:56:52] | Juski: | JohnP789: those .nuv files are actually just mpeg2 PS |
| [14:57:14] | JohnP789: | I want to use a cutlist, though. |
| [14:57:32] | Juski: | ahhh.. you might wanna check out the wiki about nuvexport then |
| [14:57:44] | Juski: | or even mythburn |
| [14:58:23] | Juski: | mythburn _can_ be a royal pain to get working, but that's being worked on.. and lots of people use it |
| [14:58:24] | shuffle2: | juski: please check out the back of the breakout box, and/or tell me how to use a normal soundcard for recording from a turntable... |
| [14:58:33] | JohnP789: | Yeah, I've been using nuvexport 0.2, but I have to run in debug mode, then change the command lines to make them work. |
| [14:59:02] | JohnP789: | I just upgraded to nuvexport 0.3, and now it won't run. Guess the database schema has changed? |
| [14:59:16] | JohnP789: | Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' |
| [14:59:33] | Juski: | shuffle2: you don't need a fancy breakout box to record from a turntable – all you need is either a) a USB phono preamp (they exist and will work with Linux) or b) a regular phono preamp which plugs into your soundcard line input |
| [15:00:00] | Juski: | plenty of cheaper cards have low noise inputs like the audigy thing |
| [15:00:44] | shuffle2: | juski: what about the ground though? would that be connected to the preamp? |
| [15:01:12] | Juski: | shuffle2: yep |
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| [15:01:33] | shuffle2: | aha i am seeing the light |
| [15:01:38] | Juski: | as with everything else – the audidy breakout box might not be immune from ground loop problems |
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| [15:01:58] | Juski: | see past the Creative Labs marketing bullshit :) |
| [15:02:02] | theanorak: | hi all |
| [15:02:28] | theanorak: | seeing an error with mythbackend: unable to set initgroups with gid 117 |
| [15:02:35] | theanorak: | have checked /etc/groups |
| [15:02:47] | theanorak: | and mythtv user is a member of group 117 (mythtv) |
| [15:02:50] | theanorak: | any ideas? |
| [15:03:18] | Juski: | JohnP789: there'll be stuff about that on the users mailing list I imagine |
| [15:03:59] | JohnP789: | Juski, I've been out of the loop for several months, so now I'm trying to catch up. I'm running mythtv 0.18, so some new stuff won't work, I guess. |
| [15:04:20] | shuffle2: | so, by "normal soundcard", do you mean something like this: http://www.pcalchemy.com/index.php/cName/soun . . . b9bb138ba105 , or something like integrated AC97? |
| [15:04:35] | theanorak: | v0.19 from thehunter.ws on ubuntu 5.10 |
| [15:05:59] | Juski: | shuffle2: you want to make sure that the card is supported by linux before buying anything |
| [15:06:01] | theanorak: | running mythbackend as user mythtv just gives a segmentation fault message |
| [15:06:27] | Juski: | and there's really no need for fancy DSPs to do all that 7.1 – DTS passthru et al will suffice |
| [15:06:52] | Juski: | JohnP789: ahhh.. that'll be why the newer nuvexport is failing.. if you're still on 0.18 |
| [15:07:12] | shuffle2: | juski: i was really wondering if you meant a pci card, or if on-board sound would suffice |
| [15:07:42] | Juski: | onboard sound is normally noisy & shitty for analogue sound recording |
| [15:08:06] | Juski: | great for digital audio though ;) |
| [15:08:49] | JohnP789: | What version of MythTV are folks running? Is SVN typically usable? |
| [15:09:09] | shuffle2: | but who is there besides creative labs for pci cards? (in terms of quality/price) |
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| [15:14:06] | shuffle2: | nevermind i guess that was too much of a dumb question, eh? ;) |
| [15:14:12] | Juski: | shuffle2: names like Turtle Beach spring to mind |
| [15:14:26] | Juski: | Terratec are pretty serious too |
| [15:14:57] | Juski: | another thing to consider is that Creative's ALSA drivers ain't all that |
| [15:15:15] | Juski: | they're the ATI of the soundcard world |
| [15:15:23] | shuffle2: | bummer |
| [15:16:40] | Juski: | all you want is good quality line input and a SPDIF or optical output |
| [15:18:46] | Juski: | if you have a digital surround amp, you can use a very very cheap soundcard, then for the vinyl recording just buy a USB phono preamp :) |
| [15:18:51] | Chicago: | It doesn't look like my datadirect subscription with zap2it filled in the channel callsign and channel name correctly... should I manually set them, or can somebody help me figure out why it didn't happen automagically... |
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| [15:20:30] | Juski: | shuffle2: looky here: http://entertainuk.terratec.net/modules.php?o . . . mp;artid=179 |
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| [15:21:01] | Juski: | 90dB SNR is as good as it gets for a phono preamplifier |
| [15:21:43] | shuffle2: | juski: another thing to consider is that he'd like to listen to music that's on the HDs via this gizmo: http://www.nuvotechnologies.com/essentia.htm |
| [15:22:40] | shuffle2: | (since the htpc will have a ir reciever, and the nuvo has ir blasters, it _should_ work) |
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| [15:23:49] | Juski: | nice idea.. must be expensive though |
| [15:23:57] | Juski: | anyway – I got to pop out & get some stuff |
| [15:23:59] | Juski: | bbl |
| [15:24:16] | shuffle2: | later and thanks! |
| [15:29:08] | theanorak: | hmm. couldn't figure it out. will try compiling from source |
| [15:29:12] | theanorak: | bye all |
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| [15:40:03] | Berny_: | is there any way to change the list in watch videos? |
| [15:40:13] | Berny_: | i.e. get it to display directories? |
| [15:40:42] | Berny_: | At the moment, it's thrown all my music videos and all my episodes in together and it's an absolute mess |
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| [15:46:03] | imperfect-: | Morning. |
| [15:46:12] | Berny_: | morning |
| [15:46:15] | imperfect-: | How realistic is it for me to run MythTV in 480i ? |
| [15:46:22] | imperfect-: | I mean, will it be pointless? |
| [15:46:45] | GreyFoxx: | most people do |
| [15:46:53] | imperfect-: | realy? |
| [15:47:01] | GreyFoxx: | certainly |
| [15:47:04] | imperfect-: | I'd be using 1080i but the tv cuts off the corners |
| [15:47:14] | imperfect-: | Grey; What about DVD video and stuff? is that enough lines? |
| [15:47:35] | GreyFoxx: | dvd's already are x480 |
| [15:47:45] | GreyFoxx: | standard ntsc dvd is 720x480 |
| [15:48:06] | imperfect-: | yeah |
| [15:48:08] | imperfect-: | see the problem is |
| [15:48:12] | imperfect-: | my TV doesn't do 720 |
| [15:48:20] | imperfect-: | it only will does 640x480 |
| [15:48:27] | GreyFoxx: | thats fine |
| [15:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | it would bew scaled |
| [15:49:31] | imperfect-: | And all willbe wel? |
| [15:49:36] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:49:46] | imperfect-: | Everyting is just so damn BIG on my tb |
| [15:49:47] | imperfect-: | er tb |
| [15:49:54] | imperfect-: | I've got a 20 inch LCD i'd love to be running this on |
| [15:49:55] | imperfect-: | ;) |
| [15:49:55] | imperfect-: | but |
| [15:50:00] | imperfect-: | nvidia won't let that happen |
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| [15:50:43] | imperfect-: | it just makes everything hard to use |
| [15:50:46] | imperfect-: | cuz you know |
| [15:50:53] | imperfect-: | most of the windows are off the screen and stuff |
| [15:51:17] | GreyFoxx: | on your tv? |
| [15:51:21] | imperfect-: | Yep |
| [15:51:24] | imperfect-: | 640x480 |
| [15:51:27] | GreyFoxx: | thats normal |
| [15:51:31] | imperfect-: | like a terminal takes up most of the screen |
| [15:51:34] | imperfect-: | and since I can't use the LCD |
| [15:51:38] | imperfect-: | It's all I have ;0 |
| [15:53:48] | imperfect-: | well |
| [15:53:53] | imperfect-: | This is going to be a pain in the butt ;) |
| [16:08:13] | imperfect-: | wow |
| [16:08:22] | imperfect-: | abarbaccia is the shit |
| [16:08:31] | imperfect-: | I just got my TV card working in 10 minutes |
| [16:08:34] | imperfect-: | sweet ;) |
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| [16:18:46] | imperfect-: | Are there any huge issues with 0.18.1 that I should worry about? |
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| [16:58:22] | imperfect-: | I've changed all the font sizes to small and everything is still HUGE! |
| [16:58:24] | imperfect-: | any ideas? |
| [17:02:39] | shuffle2: | raise your res |
| [17:02:54] | imperfect-: | Yeah I can't |
| [17:03:01] | imperfect-: | if I run at 1080i everything is off the screen |
| [17:03:34] | shuffle2: | doesn't nvidia provide a utility to change overscan? |
| [17:03:44] | imperfect-: | Yeah but not in 1080i |
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| [17:03:56] | imperfect-: | when I have it in 1080i the overscan options is done |
| [17:04:02] | imperfect-: | er gone |
| [17:04:16] | shuffle2: | dont know then |
| [17:04:18] | shuffle2: | sorry |
| [17:06:44] | imperfect-: | wow. |
| [17:06:49] | imperfect-: | so I put it in 1080i |
| [17:06:52] | imperfect-: | and I can't watch TV |
| [17:06:53] | imperfect-: | heh heh |
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| [17:36:56] | Berny_: | I still can't see an answer to this. |
| [17:37:17] | Berny_: | Is there any way to change the view on the videos? |
| [17:37:41] | Berny_: | I see a list of all the episodes that I have converted to xvid and all the music videos that I have |
| [17:38:01] | Berny_: | It's a mess, but when it's in directories, it's perfectly navigatable |
| [17:38:04] | Berny_: | any ideas? |
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| [17:43:43] | mantisgb: | hi |
| [17:43:46] | jams: | Berny_- press the menu key, you should be able to change your view |
| [17:44:34] | mantisgb: | can I ask a question about mythfrontend? |
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| [17:44:57] | jams: | sure |
| [17:45:37] | mantisgb: | when I capture to a file (cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg (PVR-150) I get great picture and sound |
| [17:45:59] | mantisgb: | when I view output through a remote mythfrontend the picture is fine but he sound is tinny |
| [17:46:29] | mantisgb: | network is a crossover cable ;-) |
| [17:47:47] | jams: | some pvr-150's and myth have that problem |
| [17:48:18] | jams: | I beleive that was discussed on the -users mailing list |
| [17:48:58] | jams: | it's also on the ivtv-users listt |
| [17:49:27] | jams: | the suggested idea was to change versions of ivtv |
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| [17:56:36] | Puke2: | Is it 150 or 150mce? |
| [17:56:42] | mantisgb: | 150 |
| [17:57:35] | Puke2: | I didnt have any problems... But then i don't use a remote frontend. |
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| [17:58:08] | mantisgb: | I need to hook the box up to my tv and see if the sound issue occurs locally, afraid of the xorg.conf file though |
| [17:58:59] | Puke2: | Just make sure to make a backup |
| [17:59:47] | mantisgb: | indeed. there is talk on the list of making sure that nothing else is using /dev/dsp when myth tries to use it – how can I check what is using a particular device? |
| [18:00:13] | imperfect-: | Isn't a 150MCE just a 150 w/ the remote? |
| [18:00:20] | mantisgb: | I think so |
| [18:01:28] | Mobleman: | imperfect-: 150 MCE-kit is a 150 MCE w/ the remote |
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| [18:02:43] | imperfect-: | What is a 150MCE ? |
| [18:02:52] | imperfect-: | And how is different from a 150? |
| [18:03:20] | Mobleman: | imperfect-: http://hauppauge.com/pages/prods_pvrs.html |
| [18:03:30] | mantisgb: | thanks for the advice guys, I have to go now |
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| [18:03:33] | Mobleman: | I don't know... but maybe you can see eit there.. |
| [18:04:19] | Mobleman: | imperfect-: 150 got radio and phono-sound |
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| [18:04:58] | imperfect-: | I dunno |
| [18:05:00] | imperfect-: | shrug |
| [18:05:03] | imperfect-: | Looks the same to me |
| [18:05:04] | imperfect-: | but I dunno |
| [18:05:06] | imperfect-: | Maybe not |
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| [18:05:56] | imperfect-: | those extra ports are different |
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| [18:08:47] | AlefBet: | Hey, I have a database question. |
| [18:09:19] | AlefBet: | This MythTV box had a disk full problem that ended up corrupting the "recordedmarkup" information in the mysql database. |
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| [18:09:49] | AlefBet: | I've repaired the mysqldatabase using mysqlcheck, but is there a way to repair the information that should be stored in that table? |
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| [18:25:00] | Mobleman: | Juski: I still can't get connection to mysql from mythtv-setup.. :( |
| [18:26:01] | Mobleman: | http://pastebin.com/621935 |
| [18:31:02] | shuffle2: | i think it also has a fm tuner (?) |
| [18:31:12] | shuffle2: | ignore that^ |
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| [18:32:08] | imperfect-: | There seems to be a lot of lag between changing channels... is there any way to fix that? |
| [18:32:35] | Anduin: | Mobleman: Your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file is good? (You can do stuff with that same info with mysql) |
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| [18:37:31] | Mobleman: | Anduin: What do you mean? |
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| [18:45:44] | shuffle2: | hi again.... http://entertainen.terratec.net/modules.php?o . . . &sid=139 (like juski said a while ago) seems pretty good |
| [18:46:44] | shuffle2: | I just don't know where you'd hook up the ground wire, or how you could play records on your stereo system while this box is hooked up.... |
| [18:47:02] | imperfect-: | Hey |
| [18:47:14] | imperfect-: | Can I paly .cue/.bin combos natively with MythTV? |
| [18:48:25] | imperfect-: | Good god. I added my music directory and it's updating the music databse forever! |
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| [18:53:26] | imperfect-: | Good lord |
| [18:53:40] | imperfect-: | is there no way to update the music database in the background? |
| [18:56:00] | Mobleman: | What is PAL-DK? |
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| [19:06:06] | zwaaa: | would anyone be available to field a quick Directv Q for a person thinking of doing a build later on this year? |
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| [19:52:48] | eiggirC: | coopster: the main backend is a P3 866, and I upgraded another box to a celeron 1.7 |
| [19:54:19] | eiggirC: | coopster: I want to keep myth away from my main server |
| [19:55:24] | eiggirC: | coopster: what do you think about adding the C1.7 as a slave backend with no tuner card |
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| [20:21:09] | jesusfish: | is it normal to get lots of query errors when using mythfilldatabase? |
| [20:21:59] | dtm: | jesusfish: what errors |
| [20:22:43] | jesusfish: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [20:22:43] | jesusfish: | Database error was: |
| [20:22:44] | jesusfish: | Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program' doesn't exist |
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| [20:23:19] | dtm: | jesusfish: did you google the error |
| [20:23:28] | jesusfish: | dtm: doing that right now |
| [20:23:45] | jesusfish: | dtm: first hit is relating to CVS and database schemas |
| [20:23:58] | jesusfish: | dtm: but I'm using Kubuntu/debs |
| [20:26:15] | Squidy: | hi guys.. i tried to compile lirc with pixelview_pro driver... my card is Pixelview MPEG2.. but when i run irrecord to configure my remote control i receive this: irrecord: gap not found, can't continue |
| [20:26:27] | Squidy: | could someone help me ? |
| [20:26:38] | Anduin: | jesusfish: dd_ if for datadirect, you probably don't have rights to create temporary tables. |
| [20:27:23] | jesusfish: | Anduin: ah, that sounds like it might be it.... |
| [20:27:45] | jesusfish: | Anduin: hmm...what privilege is temp again? |
| [20:28:17] | zwaaa: | dtm, got a sec? |
| [20:30:04] | Anduin: | jesusfish: I think it is lumped in with create. |
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| [20:31:20] | danieldk: | Do one of you guys know how to use the postprocess filter? |
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| [20:34:02] | madcat`: | hey |
| [20:34:16] | zwaaa: | anyhow, I am going to build a mithbox (probably on debian since that is my fav distro) and my only concern is control of my highes DTV receiver |
| [20:34:22] | zwaaa: | myth |
| [20:34:38] | zwaaa: | and hughes |
| [20:34:48] | madcat`: | zwaaa: my cable box has a serial port for that. does your DTV reciver have something simular? |
| [20:34:53] | zwaaa: | no |
| [20:35:10] | zwaaa: | so I will probably need to go the irblaster route |
| [20:35:27] | zwaaa: | I notice most of the new mobos lack an rs232 port |
| [20:35:52] | zwaaa: | how is lirc/myth support with the new usb tranceivers? |
| [20:36:18] | madcat`: | usb to serial devices? |
| [20:36:50] | madcat`: | i don't know what lirc is, but myth should be able to handle any usb to serial device with linux kernel support, i think, but i've never used it yet |
| [20:37:05] | jesusfish: | Anduin: hmmm...the myth user has full privileges |
| [20:37:25] | madcat`: | i think it was keyspan that makes really good and reasonably cheap usb to serial devices, windows/linux/mac, we use em at work all the time (embedded stuff, and gotta have the mac support cause we're wierd like that) |
| [20:37:48] | zwaaa: | and a usb to rs232 will work with an irblaster? |
| [20:38:31] | zwaaa: | and mythtv? sorry if these are totaly obvious questions but I have been poking around alot and just dont seem to get a definite feeling on this |
| [20:38:34] | madcat`: | i don't know what an irblaster is |
| [20:38:43] | madcat`: | i can guess but i don't know it's interface |
| [20:38:44] | Anduin: | jesusfish: create_tmp_table |
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| [20:42:10] | jesusfish: | Anduin: yup, user can create a table |
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| [20:51:16] | flaggz: | hey, is anyone here messing around with mythfrontend builds on the intel macs? |
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| [20:52:26] | dtm: | flaggz: did you google it? |
| [20:52:47] | flaggz: | yeah, I've got it working, just having some performance quirks |
| [20:53:24] | flaggz: | wanted to know if others are seeing them (they're not mentioned on the wiki or on the dev list) |
| [20:55:12] | madcat`: | this may be a stupid question, but are most digital cable channels unencrypted, the basic stuff like comedy central, the discovery channel, etc? |
| [20:56:51] | flaggz: | i'm running a core duo mini @ 1080p and mythfrontend is dropping frames like crazy, even for non-HD material. When I select 'don't scale video up' in the TV Settings, it works alright, but HD stuff is still screwy. Everything plays smooth as glass (even HD) via the latest VLC trunk build over the network. |
| [20:58:02] | x18c: | madcat`: in usa, the answer generally is 'yes' |
| [20:58:10] | madcat`: | cool |
| [20:58:46] | x18c: | of course, they are not really digital either |
| [20:58:55] | madcat`: | it's sad that i'm writing a dvr-app at work (even sadder cause i'm a hardware guy, with some embedded and no windows damnit) yet i don't own one, even though i've been meaning to get around to this for months |
| [20:59:08] | madcat`: | i dunno if my tv is either *shrug* |
| [20:59:13] | dtm: | madcat`: why would you write another dvr? |
| [20:59:21] | madcat`: | dtm; it's for stuff for work |
| [20:59:42] | dtm: | madcat`: are they not aware that it's been done? |
| [20:59:47] | madcat`: | not for our app |
| [20:59:52] | madcat`: | it's a special video format |
| [20:59:57] | dtm: | :-. |
| [21:00:12] | madcat`: | and basing it on anything open source would get us shut down and possibly thrown in jail for itar issues |
| [21:00:28] | dtm: | lol what's itar? |
| [21:00:43] | madcat`: | one sec whill i deacronym that, but it's a major pain in the ass at times |
| [21:00:54] | madcat`: | International Traffic in Arms Regulations |
| [21:00:57] | dtm: | 8-. |
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| [21:02:09] | madcat`: | there is only one program out there that supports this standard, it's harder to use, can't do a lot of things i'm doing in mine, does not have DVR, and costs like $1k/seat |
| [21:02:45] | dtm: | madcat`: what does free software have to do with ITAR (whatever that is) |
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| [21:03:22] | madcat`: | we'd have to make some modificaitons. then we'd have to follow the liscense and that'd have a ton of intresting questions |
| [21:03:42] | madcat`: | it might be doable in an ITAR compliant manner, but I think everyone from our customers to our managment would not really like that solution |
| [21:04:10] | madcat`: | plus, it also has to be intergrated into another application that is decidedly not open source, and we don't own the rights too |
| [21:04:20] | dtm: | ok that was gonna be my next question |
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| [21:04:49] | madcat`: | ITAR dosent' just cover software/hardware. it has a lot to do with designs, drawnings, source code, etc |
| [21:05:30] | william: | hello people; can someone help me with a tricky mythweather plugin crash? |
| [21:05:38] | madcat`: | so with all that BS it's just easier to reinvent the wheel :( |
| [21:06:42] | dtm: | :-[ |
| [21:07:03] | william: | i have a problem when closing the mythweather window with my remote |
| [21:09:01] | william: | then the window closes and goes back to the info window but the bar does not get back. |
| [21:09:23] | william: | no messages what so ever in the logs even when i do -v all |
| [21:10:05] | william: | it completely freezes my frontend |
| [21:10:31] | william: | but when i do it with my keyboard all goes well !@@#$% |
| [21:11:42] | madcat`: | ah well, i should really get moving on the day i think |
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| [21:29:50] | benklop: | hello |
| [21:30:06] | benklop: | has anyone here tried the new 0.6.0 ivtv drivers? |
| [21:30:23] | benklop: | i am having an issue watching or recording after upgrading |
| [21:30:50] | benklop: | cat /dev/video0 >mpg.mpg works alright, |
| [21:31:01] | benklop: | and ivtv-tune tunes right |
| [21:31:07] | benklop: | i cant figure out the problem |
| [21:31:50] | benklop: | i hit watch TV and after a few moments of black it dumps me back to the main menu |
| [21:34:40] | benklop: | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| [21:35:27] | william: | what do the logs say? |
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| [21:36:14] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: you around? |
| [21:36:45] | william: | benklop: what do the logs say? |
| [21:37:32] | william: | does someone know something about debugging plugins? |
| [21:37:40] | william: | i have a problem with mythweather |
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| [21:37:55] | benklop: | william: nothing very useful |
| [21:38:44] | william: | when i press Esc on my keyboard it all works but when i press Esc on my remote the program crashes |
| [21:38:58] | william: | benklop: did you also check the backend log? |
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| [21:39:17] | benklop: | where is that kept? |
| [21:39:48] | benklop: | it must be a backend thing because it does this no matter what frontend i use |
| [21:39:56] | flaggz: | hmm. the mythfrontend code appears to have some multithreaded performance issues |
| [21:40:23] | william: | /var/log/mythbackend.log i gues otherwise start the backend with: mythbackend -d |
| [21:41:12] | benklop: | hold on a sec |
| [21:41:26] | william: | ok 1 sec :) |
| [21:41:30] | william: | done |
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| [21:41:55] | benklop: | let me try to watch now while i'm looking at mythbackend |
| [21:42:07] | william: | ok :) |
| [21:42:26] | william: | i had a few issues with ringbuf files |
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| [21:42:53] | william: | then i had the same problem you have |
| [21:43:06] | benklop: | mythfrontend is telling me somthing abuot ringbuf files... |
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| [21:43:42] | william: | in mythtv-setup do you have the right input sources? |
| [21:44:05] | sphing: | is there anyway to have mythweb work if apache server isnt mythbackend |
| [21:44:09] | benklop: | mythbackend says this: http://pastebin.ca/46965 |
| [21:45:24] | william: | ok check the input/output |
| [21:45:36] | benklop: | william: what do you mean? i did make sure that it is using video0 / 1 (pvr 500, so 2 cards) and tuner1 on both of those. seems the tuner changed names from tuner to tuner1 during the driver upgrade |
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| [21:46:51] | william: | so your video device is set to ? |
| [21:47:03] | william: | and your standard input is set to? |
| [21:48:26] | benklop: | set to /dev/v4l/video0 for tuner 1 and /dev/v4l/video1 for tuner 2 |
| [21:48:43] | benklop: | standard input means what |
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| [21:49:28] | william: | well in the setup window capture cards the most bottom! |
| [21:49:44] | william: | i have a different language set :) |
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| [21:50:13] | HeMan: | Hi! I have somewhat bleach colors on my TV, should I try to fix that with some ATI-driver tweaking or should I try to fix that with MythTV? |
| [21:50:52] | william: | HeMan: i guess the ati driver |
| [21:51:15] | benklop: | i have mine set to the only tuner available on both cards |
| [21:51:36] | benklop: | which is tuner1 |
| [21:51:36] | HeMan: | william: ok |
| [21:52:05] | benklop: | william: under input connections, if i tell it to scan for channels, that works |
| [21:52:43] | benklop: | it locates all channels |
| [21:53:11] | benklop: | it just seems to have a problem getting mpeg video from the card |
| [21:53:22] | william: | can you watch channels with eg awtv |
| [21:53:45] | benklop: | i dont have that... let me see.. and how would i go about that? |
| [21:54:00] | william: | well do you have mplayer? |
| [21:54:31] | benklop: | you mean xawtv? |
| [21:55:01] | william: | no i realy mean mplayer the media player |
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| [21:55:21] | benklop: | not on this box... i have it on another |
| [21:55:27] | benklop: | i can install it if i need to |
| [21:55:49] | william: | try it |
| [21:56:07] | william: | you can do mplayer /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [21:56:43] | william: | and set the channel with ivtv-tune |
| [21:57:00] | benklop: | well if i cat /dev/v4l/video0 i can copy it to a box that does have mplayer, and it plays just fine |
| [21:57:16] | benklop: | or is the way it works different than that |
| [21:57:21] | william: | ok then it realy is a mythtv thing! |
| [21:57:37] | william: | when you start mythfrontend with -v all? |
| [21:57:44] | benklop: | hmm? |
| [21:57:50] | william: | can you paste the output to pastebin |
| [21:57:59] | benklop: | yeah |
| [21:58:01] | benklop: | just a moment |
| [21:59:08] | benklop: | " mythfrontend -v all" is the command you want? |
| [21:59:16] | william: | yes |
| [21:59:22] | william: | then start the live tv |
| [22:02:00] | william: | mythtv did work with an older driver? |
| [22:02:05] | benklop: | yes |
| [22:02:23] | william: | did the new driver added features that you should have? |
| [22:02:24] | benklop: | but i needed to upgrade because this driver uses the in-kernel tuner module |
| [22:02:32] | william: | :) |
| [22:02:36] | benklop: | which i need to support another, non ivtv card |
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| [22:03:37] | benklop: | http://pastebin.ca/46968 before pressing live tv |
| [22:03:44] | styrmis: | Hi all, I am currently trying to setup a Myth box I've been making for my brother and I really need your help :-( |
| [22:03:59] | william: | benklop: ok is the driver the 0.6.1 |
| [22:04:10] | william: | back in twenty sec |
| [22:04:16] | styrmis: | I only have a few more hours here you see, and I'm having issues with integrating with a sky box |
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| [22:04:41] | imperfect-: | is your brother going to hit you if it's not done? |
| [22:04:46] | imperfect-: | SAY NO TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE |
| [22:04:57] | jesusfish: | is there any reason that my X Server would restart every time I try and Watch TV? |
| [22:05:14] | styrmis: | No, he isn't that bothered, I am though :-) |
| [22:05:41] | william: | back |
| [22:05:56] | styrmis: | The problem is that going from the sky box's scart output to a converter to svideo in on a PVR 350 is giving purple and green only |
| [22:05:58] | benklop: | http://pastebin.ca/46969 after watching live tv |
| [22:06:03] | benklop: | (trying to) |
| [22:06:10] | styrmis: | So, I'd like to use the RF out on the sky box |
| [22:06:36] | benklop: | so http://pastebin.ca/46968 then http://pastebin.ca/46969 this |
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| [22:07:09] | styrmis: | However, I'm not sure how to get the picture. The main problem is that I have a SkyControl box to switch the channels with, and that uses the freq id., so if I set that to the freq. of the sky box, then it will try and tune to that, which is not what I want |
| [22:07:12] | benklop: | jesusfish: i had that problem after upgrading a kernel: you need to recompile your video driver |
| [22:07:30] | benklop: | jesusfish: so that it uses your new kernel |
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| [22:08:12] | styrmis: | I've been searching for some time but haven't found anyone who details how they tuned into the channel which the sky box outputs on |
| [22:09:07] | benklop: | william: the driver is the 0.6.0 i think |
| [22:09:10] | Anduin: | styrmis: In the setup you can tell it to lock to a set channel (like 3) and setup an external channel changing script. |
| [22:09:11] | benklop: | not 0.6.1 |
| [22:09:22] | benklop: | i didnt see 0.6.1 yesterday |
| [22:09:26] | william: | try upgrading! |
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| [22:09:57] | benklop: | william: argh... |
| [22:10:10] | william: | but the log says something about /mnt/store/....mpg invalid file |
| [22:10:11] | styrmis: | Anduin: Thanks! I'll give that a go |
| [22:11:14] | william: | you still have write permissions on /mnt/store// |
| [22:11:16] | benklop: | william: according to the changelog the only difference between the 0.6.0 and the 0.6.1 is some version checking to make sure it is using the 2.6.16 kernel (which i know i already am) |
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| [22:12:24] | danieldk: | is there such a thing as a unsharp customfilter in mythtv? like the one i xine? |
| [22:12:37] | benklop: | william: yes, everyone has write access there |
| [22:12:49] | benklop: | drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 4096 Mar 25 15:06 store |
| [22:13:25] | benklop: | according to df, it has plenty of space too |
| [22:15:49] | william: | wel just a moment benklop |
| [22:15:49] | danieldk: | or do one of you know the best way of upscaling a 720x576 signal to 1280x720 in mythtv? |
| [22:16:00] | benklop: | william: thanks |
| [22:16:08] | william: | i will try the new driver |
| [22:16:36] | william: | but first i have to sync portage and then upgrade to 2.6.16 |
| [22:17:49] | imperfect-: | Hey. |
| [22:17:53] | william: | benklop: do you have a remote |
| [22:17:56] | imperfect-: | I'm using Myth .18 |
| [22:18:03] | william: | and mythweather? |
| [22:18:12] | benklop: | william: yes, but not set up on this box yet |
| [22:18:30] | william: | ok ;) |
| [22:18:41] | benklop: | william: have one ... doh..(TV card burned up recently) HAD one on another box |
| [22:19:11] | imperfect-: | Is there anything I can do to make changing channels less choppy |
| [22:19:17] | william: | someone else ? setup mythtv 0.18/0.19 with mythweather ? |
| [22:19:30] | benklop: | william: i have that |
| [22:19:43] | benklop: | having problems? |
| [22:19:49] | william: | oh sorry did not saw youre message |
| [22:20:07] | william: | yes i have a problem escaping from mythweather with my remote |
| [22:20:14] | william: | it crashes my frontend |
| [22:20:29] | william: | with my keyboard all goes well |
| [22:20:33] | benklop: | william: never had that issue... |
| [22:20:56] | william: | damn :( so that will be a bug in lirc!! |
| [22:20:57] | benklop: | i use a universal learning remote and a wireless keyboard though |
| [22:21:02] | imperfect-: | I'm using myth weather from a package |
| [22:21:20] | benklop: | it the same in.18 nd .19? |
| [22:21:29] | imperfect-: | I've got .18 and i can hit back |
| [22:21:33] | imperfect-: | and it works fine |
| [22:21:33] | imperfect-: | for me |
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| [22:21:45] | benklop: | .19 has built in support for lirc.... so it would be pretty different |
| [22:21:55] | william: | yes it happened in 0.18 and 0.19 |
| [22:22:17] | styrmis: | I'm currently trying to tune into the Sky box's signal on RF which is on 68 according to the sky box output |
| [22:22:25] | william: | but in .18 not always :( |
| [22:22:25] | benklop: | william: that is darned odd |
| [22:22:50] | styrmis: | The TV scans into easily when set to 68. Is the quickest way for me to tune this in on the myth box to change the fine tune value in myth setup and restart myth? |
| [22:22:58] | benklop: | william: in .19 do you have myth set up in the new way, or are you still sending keyboard events? |
| [22:23:15] | william: | i gues sending keyboard events |
| [22:23:26] | william: | did not change the lircrc |
| [22:23:33] | imperfect-: | How different is .19 from .18 ? |
| [22:24:01] | imperfect-: | Can anyone tell me why everything seems so sluggish? |
| [22:24:09] | imperfect-: | I mean, are there things I can do to enhance the performance? |
| [22:24:25] | benklop: | william: .19 supports lirc input directly, so you might try setting that up. i hav'nt done that myself yet, but it might fix the problem |
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| [22:25:10] | william: | i am reading it at the moment |
| [22:25:21] | benklop: | william: any idea what a solution to my problem might be? |
| [22:25:49] | benklop: | thx |
| [22:26:15] | william: | no not yet! |
| [22:26:26] | benklop: | aight |
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| [22:26:43] | william: | i can help you further when i have a 2.6.16 and the new driver |
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| [22:26:50] | benklop: | oh thats right |
| [22:26:51] | benklop: | :-p |
| [22:27:03] | benklop: | btw, i use gentoo as well |
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| [22:28:20] | william: | very good |
| [22:28:32] | william: | then we have minor system differences |
| [22:29:42] | benklop: | william: i just tried unmounting my FS for /mnt/store, and it makes no difference. the file is in fact being created, though |
| [22:29:57] | benklop: | i'm about to check if it is valid mpeg |
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| [22:30:45] | benklop: | the file has a 0 size |
| [22:31:05] | T`aZ: | hi, someone said maybe someone here could help me, i would like to know why video on my second X display isn't vsync'ed (or double buffered) , but it seems it is on the primary screen |
| [22:31:18] | T`aZ: | using mplayer |
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| [22:33:24] | benklop: | T`aZ, probably has to do with whatever video driver youare using. if they are the same card, i dont know; if they are nvidia, try using nvidia-config (i think thats the name of the tool) |
| [22:33:58] | styrmis: | Any hints on tuning in this sky signal? The TV doesn't give any values in khz. I have started at 68 and am moving up in 1khz steps which is quite slow |
| [22:34:15] | T`aZ: | i'm using a nvidia card, i already checked the vsync stuff for the display, doesnt seem to do anything |
| [22:34:21] | benklop: | styrmis: what channel do you want? |
| [22:34:47] | benklop: | channel 4 is 67.250 MHz |
| [22:35:02] | styrmis: | benklop: the channel that the sky box is outputting, which it claims is on frequency 68 |
| [22:35:06] | benklop: | channel 3 is 61.250 MHz |
| [22:35:34] | styrmis: | I tested this by plugging the aerial into a TV and simply telling it to tune the channel to 68 (no unit given) works perfectly |
| [22:35:44] | benklop: | channel 68 in the cabletv spectrum (US) is 487.250 MHz |
| [22:36:31] | benklop: | not sure in other spectrums... |
| [22:36:37] | styrmis: | I'm in the UK, and the TV is for UK use, does that make a difference? So the 68 doesn't translate to the setting in Myth? |
| [22:36:39] | imperfect-: | Is there anything I can do to lower the fonts in the channel/time ? |
| [22:36:41] | imperfect-: | It's so huge |
| [22:37:35] | benklop: | styrmis: what exactly are you hooking to what? a box that should output on channel 68 to a tv tuner? |
| [22:37:40] | benklop: | or to a TV? |
| [22:38:00] | styrmis: | ivtv-tune gives this value for 68: 487.250 – should I be using that in Mythsetup? |
| [22:38:20] | styrmis: | I am trying to get the RF output of a sky box to be shown on live tv using a PVR 350 (RF in) |
| [22:38:52] | RaYmAn-Bx: | styrmis: if ivtv-tune works directly with 68 mythtv should too..(Assuming you've told mythtv to use the correct frequency table..) |
| [22:39:13] | benklop: | ok, you should set it to tune the TV to channel 68, but it seems to me tay you are probably having mythtv use the wrong country table. |
| [22:39:31] | benklop: | does ivtv-tune say there is somthing there? |
| [22:39:46] | benklop: | mine says |
| [22:39:46] | benklop: | mythserver software # ivtv-tune -c 68 |
| [22:40:20] | benklop: | >/dev/video0: 487.250 MHz (Signal Detected) |
| [22:40:42] | benklop: | if it doesnt detect a signal, its not the right frequency |
| [22:40:45] | styrmis: | It doesn't say signal detected |
| [22:41:20] | benklop: | ok, 487.250Mhz is the US frequency table |
| [22:41:30] | benklop: | you need to tell it to use a differnt table |
| [22:41:41] | RaYmAn-Bx: | most likely europe-west |
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| [22:42:14] | styrmis: | I'll check what I'm using in myth now. |
| [22:42:29] | benklop: | ivtv-tune -t europe-west -c 68 |
| [22:42:32] | benklop: | try that command |
| [22:42:35] | benklop: | that should find it |
| [22:42:51] | benklop: | FYI its 847.250 MHz |
| [22:43:13] | styrmis: | benklop: I get that value too |
| [22:43:27] | styrmis: | Myth has been setup from the start to use europe-west though, just checked |
| [22:43:29] | benklop: | styrmis: does it say signal detected? |
| [22:43:47] | styrmis: | No, doesn't say anything about signal unfortunately |
| [22:44:15] | styrmis: | I am getting very strange behaviour with ivtvctl -I though |
| [22:44:17] | styrmis: | mythtv ~ # ivtvctl -I |
| [22:44:17] | styrmis: | check SAA7115 input signal |
| [22:44:17] | styrmis: | ioctl: Input detect failed (cannot read SAA regs) |
| [22:44:17] | styrmis: | ioctl: Input detect failed (cannot read SAA regs) |
| [22:44:59] | benklop: | not sure what that is... my card doesnt support that |
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| [22:45:23] | benklop: | i would suggest making myth try to detect available channels |
| [22:45:40] | styrmis: | I'll try that now |
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| [22:47:17] | styrmis: | Scanning didn't turn anything up |
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| [22:47:32] | Ediehow: | should i do standard decoding or libmpeg? |
| [22:47:36] | Ediehow: | if i have amd 2ghz |
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| [22:51:17] | styrmis: | I think 68 is a UHF channel, and is the default for these boxes. It is also the highest supported I think |
| [22:51:20] | styrmis: | Does any of that help? |
| [22:51:53] | benklop: | styrmis: try hooking it up to somthing you know has a usable signal on a known channel. if it doesnt detect anything still, you probably need to set your tuner type when you load the ivtv module to make the tuner work. |
| [22:52:34] | styrmis: | benklop: I unfortunately have nothing here at my brother's that gives an RF signal except the sky box. Svideo on this tuner works fine though |
| [22:53:05] | styrmis: | Should I paste my ivtv output from dmesg? |
| [22:53:17] | benklop: | sure |
| [22:53:23] | benklop: | pastebin |
| [22:54:05] | benklop: | thing is, the tuner is communicated separately from the rest of the card, so everything but that can work |
| [22:54:15] | benklop: | if you dont set the type correctly |
| [22:54:19] | styrmis: | http://pastebin.com/622398 |
| [22:54:43] | styrmis: | I did test the tuner some time ago using a regular analogue aerial and it worked ok |
| [22:54:59] | styrmis: | the configuration has changed since then. I can't see anything unusual in the dmesg output |
| [22:55:33] | benklop: | ok, it says you have this tuner: tuner model is Philips FM1216 ME MK3 (idx 57, type 38) |
| [22:55:46] | benklop: | you should check on the card and make sure it is really that |
| [22:56:03] | benklop: | i had some troubles in the past with a card mis-detecting the tuner |
| [22:56:14] | benklop: | er wait |
| [22:56:18] | benklop: | thats hte FM tuner |
| [22:56:22] | benklop: | :-P |
| [22:57:31] | benklop: | no... maybe that is the right one. it is the only tuner detected |
| [22:57:49] | styrmis: | :-) I'm just looking for a guide for a PVR 350. |
| [22:57:56] | styrmis: | I think it is the right one |
| [22:58:13] | benklop: | but it says here ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=(tuner unset), addr=61] |
| [22:58:30] | benklop: | you might want to check the tuner type its supposed to have just to be sure |
| [22:58:34] | benklop: | i had to manualy set mine |
| [22:59:10] | styrmis: | Ok, I'm just looking for it |
| [22:59:22] | benklop: | styrmis: the tuner type wil be different depending on the region |
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| [23:01:10] | imperfect-: | Anyone know what mtd is? |
| [23:01:22] | styrmis: | Yes, so far I have only found that tuner=2 should be set for NTSC |
| [23:01:28] | styrmis: | mtd = Myth Transcoding Daemon |
| [23:01:35] | styrmis: | It's for transcoding DVDs |
| [23:01:47] | imperfect-: | The version I have says it wasn't compiled w' transode so it won't do anything |
| [23:01:56] | imperfect-: | That man I need to get the source and build my own? |
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| [23:03:22] | styrmis: | What system are you on? I know how to do that for Gentoo only I'm afraid |
| [23:04:00] | imperfect-: | Yeah? |
| [23:04:02] | benklop: | i love gentoo |
| [23:04:05] | imperfect-: | emerge it or soemthing ;) |
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| [23:06:33] | benklop: | william: how are you doin? emerge taking a while?:) |
| [23:06:43] | styrmis: | You need to set the transcode use flag for mythdvd I think |
| [23:09:21] | benklop: | i havnt seen any real figures, but how many people do you think really use gentoo (% wise) out of the general linux population? |
| [23:09:43] | benklop: | for a fairly new distro, it is doin pretty darn good |
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| [23:11:45] | winga: | correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't my slave backend actually say what ip its connecting to when it tries connecting to the master backend |
| [23:11:49] | winga: | 2006-03–25 14:58:55.190 Connecting to master server: :6543 |
| [23:12:19] | winga: | it times out in less than a second and repeats over and over |
| [23:12:29] | winga: | all it's saying is the port |
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| [23:13:17] | benklop: | winga: you are correct, it should |
| [23:13:20] | xris: | winga: yeah, it probably should |
| [23:13:28] | winga: | haha thought so |
| [23:14:04] | benklop: | winga:on your master, under mythtv-setup, general config, |
| [23:14:04] | winga: | i've tried resetting up mythtv-setup |
| [23:14:13] | benklop: | you need to set what IP that machine is at |
| [23:14:13] | winga: | ok |
| [23:14:27] | winga: | just a sec |
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| [23:17:38] | winga: | same deal |
| [23:17:49] | winga: | it was already set |
| [23:17:57] | Chicago: | anybody make something like mythstream work with v.19? |
| [23:18:45] | winga: | benklop, the settings were already set so i retyped them anyways, still the same though |
| [23:19:29] | winga: | benklop, i'm using a backed up database file from a .18 install |
| [23:19:49] | imperfect-: | Anyone know where the config is for mythmusic ? |
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| [23:20:10] | imperfect-: | ls |
| [23:22:01] | benklop: | Chicago: whati s mythstream? |
| [23:22:19] | benklop: | winga: not sure what to tell you |
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| [23:22:33] | Chicago: | benklop: MythStreamTV is a MythTV plugin that allows live transcoding and streaming... http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/ |
| [23:22:55] | benklop: | Chicago: sounds excessively cool |
| [23:23:16] | Chicago: | benklop: that's what I was hoping to a chance to see for myself. |
| [23:23:21] | benklop: | Chicago: i watch tv over my LAN on boxes through mythweb |
| [23:23:33] | benklop: | but thats about the extent of the streaming i've done |
| [23:23:36] | Chicago: | benklop: are you on v.19 |
| [23:23:44] | benklop: | yes |
| [23:23:54] | Chicago: | benklop: have you tried mythburn? |
| [23:24:01] | benklop: | Chicago: not yet |
| [23:24:09] | benklop: | got a URL for that one too? :) |
| [23:24:25] | benklop: | j/k |
| [23:24:52] | Chicago: | http://mythburn.sourceforge.net/ |
| [23:25:55] | xris: | Chicago: you said mythstream (for watching web streams), not mythstreamtv .. google for a patch to make mythstreamtv work with .19 |
| [23:28:45] | styrmis: | I am getting nowhere with this tuning! |
| [23:29:37] | styrmis: | dmesg output still looks the same, i2c still complains of tuner being unset (not sure how relevant that is) |
| [23:30:19] | Chicago: | xris: found the patched one. :) |
| [23:31:12] | Chicago: | xris: and it says it installed correctly... so how do I use it? |
| [23:31:13] | william: | Chicago: thx for the burn link |
| [23:31:20] | william: | that is realy neat |
| [23:31:23] | william: | :/ |
| [23:31:23] | Chicago: | william: thank google. |
| [23:31:37] | william: | never tought about that |
| [23:31:57] | william: | do you happen to know a fm radio plugin ? :) |
| [23:32:10] | Chicago: | sorry, I dont |
| [23:32:24] | benklop: | i've been looknig for one of those too, but the one i found is for .18 |
| [23:32:45] | Chicago: | Here's a link to a good version of mythstreamtv patched for v.19... I can't test it yet because I don't know howto use it... but it did install successfully. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2006-January/044015.html |
| [23:33:04] | william: | benklop: building kernel right now. |
| [23:33:26] | william: | where can i enable the native lirc support in mythtv |
| [23:33:44] | benklop: | styrmis: thats the issue. .tuner unset |
| [23:33:50] | benklop: | how are you modprobing it? |
| [23:34:04] | william: | the solution you pointed me to irxevent does work. |
| [23:34:16] | william: | mythweather shuts down nicely |
| [23:34:24] | benklop: | great! |
| [23:34:30] | william: | :) |
| [23:34:48] | styrmis: | benklop: I was modprobing it with no options at all |
| [23:35:00] | benklop: | i havnt tried figuring out native lirc support yet, that is next after whatever is the problem right now |
| [23:35:08] | styrmis: | I'm now experimenting with options I have used in the past |
| [23:35:30] | mchou: | I really don't get it..... |
| [23:35:44] | benklop: | styrmis: you using gentoo? |
| [23:35:54] | styrmis: | Yes, Gentoo |
| [23:36:28] | mchou: | has the kernel changed so much that ivtv cant have one version of source for 2.6.15 and 2.6.16? |
| [23:36:35] | styrmis: | I installed this box once for analogue TV and it worked, but then wiped it and reinstalled thinking it would be used for svideo. So, I had it working a few weeks back |
| [23:36:40] | benklop: | okay, then you should make a file called /etc/modules.d/ivtv and include your options in there... that way they are automatically applied when you modprobe ivtv |
| [23:36:41] | Chicago: | xris: how do I use mythstreamtv??? |
| [23:36:49] | benklop: | but first you need the right options:) |
| [23:36:55] | imperfect-: | Anyone know if there is anything I can do to get MythTV to .... not take so long to change channels? |
| [23:37:08] | mchou: | I mean I guess a lot of modules have been folded into the kernel, but shhesh |
| [23:37:13] | benklop: | you will want tuner=?? as an option |
| [23:37:17] | william: | mchou: yes |
| [23:37:25] | william: | the tuner things have merged into the kernel! |
| [23:37:35] | benklop: | the tuner numbers are in .. lets see... ithe ivtv driver folder somewhere |
| [23:37:43] | styrmis: | I am editing /etc/modules.d/ivtv — not sure of the right options yet. Just tried the 'old' ones and so far no different |
| [23:37:48] | benklop: | william: yep |
| [23:38:04] | mchou: | william: yeah, so? in the make file if 2.6.16 dont compile tuner mods, etc. |
| [23:38:06] | benklop: | william: still usese the same numbers though i think |
| [23:38:18] | styrmis: | Progress! Unset message is gone |
| [23:38:34] | benklop: | styrmis: great! |
| [23:38:55] | styrmis: | http://pastebin.com/622446 |
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| [23:39:11] | styrmis: | No picture from the sky box yet though (but still, thanks for getting me this far!) |
| [23:39:18] | william: | mchou: dont know further why :) |
| [23:39:28] | styrmis: | That is the new output from dmesg (pastebin) |
| [23:39:54] | benklop: | what line are you using to modprobe ? |
| [23:40:13] | benklop: | styrmis: it looks like it isnt getting the tuner type right yet.. |
| [23:40:41] | benklop: | styrmis: first try 'rmmod ivtv tuner' |
| [23:41:04] | styrmis: | http://pastebin.com/622449 |
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| [23:41:10] | imperfect-: | Anyone know how I can tune from the program guide? |
| [23:41:11] | benklop: | then try modprobe ivtv tuner=(pick a number:P) |
| [23:41:11] | styrmis: | (module settings) |
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| [23:41:41] | styrmis: | ERROR: Module ivtv is in use by ivtv_fb |
| [23:41:41] | styrmis: | ERROR: Module tuner does not exist in /proc/modules |
| [23:42:23] | benklop: | styrmis, rmmod that then :) according to dmesg tuner is not liking getting type=2 as an option |
| [23:42:45] | benklop: | in my setup, i am setting tuner=?? as an option for ivtv |
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| [23:43:16] | benklop: | e.g. |
| [23:43:16] | benklop: | options ivtv ivtv_std=1 tuner=68,68 |
| [23:43:28] | benklop: | (i have 2 tuners) |
| [23:43:47] | benklop: | you may try setting it that way |
| [23:43:50] | benklop: | then try again |
| [23:44:01] | styrmis: | I'll try tuner=2, that seems to be a common one |
| [23:44:30] | william: | benklop: i had to do that to. but it seems to like my pvr-150 so i could remove those options |
| [23:44:55] | benklop: | i don't see a need to:) |
| [23:44:58] | benklop: | options ivtv ivtv_debug=1 ivtv_std=2 tuner=2 |
| [23:45:05] | benklop: | is what you want styrmis |
| [23:45:12] | styrmis: | That is the line I am just trying now |
| [23:45:21] | benklop: | okay |
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| [23:45:40] | styrmis: | Thanks for all your help, I'm working flat out to try and get this setup for my brother and his wife as a gift. If only their Sky box had svideo out! |
| [23:45:41] | Ediehow: | should i do standard decoding or libmpeg? |
| [23:45:53] | zoomorfo: | hello |
| [23:45:58] | benklop: | styrmis glad to be of help |
| [23:46:06] | benklop: | (or try anyway) |
| [23:46:31] | benklop: | well it annoys me to not have things working, even if i dont need them:-P |
| [23:47:02] | benklop: | any tuner is better than no tuner |
| [23:47:10] | william: | benklop: kernel recompiled rebooted the system |
| [23:47:22] | william: | rebuilding modules |
| [23:47:46] | benklop: | dont forget to rebuild video drivers...i always forget that part |
| [23:48:16] | william: | yes i have |
| [23:48:18] | william: | :/ |
| [23:48:30] | eiggirC: | Whats wrong with running nuvexport as root ? |
| [23:49:17] | zoomorfo: | I've a "little" problem: trying to connect to mysql (default values) tells me "Database not open while trying to save setting: ..." and "Unable to connect to database!" |
| [23:49:25] | zoomorfo: | I have mysql running |
| [23:49:44] | eiggirC: | zoomorfo: separate FE and BE ? |
| [23:50:06] | zoomorfo: | eiggirC, you mean different computers? |
| [23:50:28] | eiggirC: | zoomorfo: yes – mysql defaults to not allowing network access to the database |
| [23:50:31] | styrmis: | http://pastebin.com/622461 |
| [23:50:38] | eiggirC: | zoomorfo: or are the FE and BE on the same box ? |
| [23:50:48] | styrmis: | Picture hasn't changed at all (still wild static), but I can't see anything wrong in dmesg now |
| [23:50:59] | zoomorfo: | same box |
| [23:52:35] | eiggirC: | zoomorfo: okay thats not the prob. Tried mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p |
| [23:52:38] | eiggirC: | ? |
| [23:52:43] | eiggirC: | then type mythtv's password |
| [23:52:57] | benklop: | styrmis: still not working? |
| [23:52:58] | zoomorfo: | trying now, eiggirC |
| [23:53:00] | eiggirC: | styrmis: what kind of capture card is it? |
| [23:53:53] | eiggirC: | styrmis: I'm picking firmware problems at a guess |
| [23:54:23] | imperfect-: | jeez |
| [23:54:26] | styrmis: | it's a PVR350. Under a previous install the tuner worked perfectly, with the same firmware I think |
| [23:55:14] | eiggirC: | styrmis: hmmm fair enough. Have you changed the version of ivtv ? |
| [23:55:25] | eiggirC: | a PVR350 is old enough to be well supported |
| [23:55:32] | eiggirC: | even the newer 150 is well supported, |
| [23:55:36] | imperfect-: | Is there anything at all I can do to improve channel changing speed? |
| [23:55:57] | styrmis: | Yeah, that's what's so annoying. It worked out of the box pretty much the previous time |
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| [23:56:22] | Kel: | evening all |
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| [23:56:52] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: no idea sorry |
| [23:57:08] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: the "record live TV as you watch it" function seems to have slowed down stuff like that. |
| [23:57:13] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: got a fast machine? |
| [23:57:19] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: time to upgrade :))) |
| [23:57:30] | ** eiggirC attempts to nut out nuvexport ** | |
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| [23:58:04] | imperfect-: | I've got a 3.6ghz p4 with a gig of ram |
| [23:58:07] | imperfect-: | it's pretty fast |
| [23:58:10] | eiggirC: | whats the best output format for nuvexport so I can fit a show on a CDR ? |
| [23:58:16] | imperfect-: | and a 10kRPM Sata drop |
| [23:58:18] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: yeah – you should be fine with that. |
| [23:58:26] | imperfect-: | is just changing from one channel to another is sloe |
| [23:58:31] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: mine's a P3 866 with similar old crap |
| [23:58:34] | imperfect-: | and about once a minute the sound stutters |
| [23:58:45] | eiggirC: | imperfect-: don't watch live-TV... just watch pre-recorded stuff :)))) |
| [23:59:38] | benklop: | styrmis: if you try to change channels while watching, does it do anything at all? |
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