Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 17th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

I know this from what I've picked up from the mailing lists & hints within mythtv's menus

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_mac:

ok

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_mac:

I'll try to figure it out, thanks

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Spida:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bjhDcO28.html <- anybody seen this before?

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dalibor:

Spida: me neither

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dalibor:

mythtv-setup hangs itself up for me grabbing the german listings ;/

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Juski:

that's the problem with page scrapers

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dalibor:

oddly enough tv_grab_de_tvtoday does work in the shell

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dalibor:

so ... if I knew how to configure it by hand ... I may get further

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dalibor:

ah, i see Spida got smashed into something else.

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dalibor:

he's a bit further ;)

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dalibor:

what does mythtv-setup do in step 3? where do the files go?

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dalibor:

~/.mythtv/someting-xmltv?

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FunkyELF:

how long does it take for a queued job to start?....it has been like 20 minutes and it hasn't started yet

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Moe_:

does the DVico FusionHDTV DVB-T LITE allow you to record one channel while watching another?

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kormoc:

Moe_, doubtful

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Moe_:

what card would you recommend then?

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JeffATL:

confused by "eselect mysql list" instruction in gentoo mythtv howto – get only "!!! Error: Can't load module mysql"

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kormoc:

Moe_, if you want to watch live tv and record at the same time, likely you should just get two tuners

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kormoc:

JeffATL, do you have eselect-mysql installed?

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Moe_:

kormoc: getting two tuners would also allow me to record to channels at once

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JeffATL:

kormoc: no, heh, that little bit was left out of the ever-helpful howto

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JeffATL:

as is the bit about "All ebuilds that could satisfy "eselect-mysql" have been masked." do I really even need this??

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kormoc:

JeffATL, it's used to switch between mysql versions, so not really

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kormoc:

Moe_, correct

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JeffATL:

kormoc: besides, all it says is "Available MySQL versions:

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JeffATL:

(none found)

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JeffATL:

", which is just plain stupid

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JeffATL:

i feel like i'm soldiering forward with basically no useful documentation

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JeffATL:

guess i'll just go thru the mythtv docs themselves

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kormoc:

JeffATL, what's the issue?

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Moe_:

now i just need to decide on a card wether to go hardware of software encode (FusionHDTV vs Leadtek Winfast DVT1000)

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kormoc:

if it's dvb, it's already encoded

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JeffATL:

kormoc: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV is just useless

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JeffATL:

and http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ is over a year old

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Beirdo:

so talk to Cardoe

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kormoc:

JeffATL, yeah, the myth docs should be enough for you

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** CyberKnet sticks with good old Jarod's guide **

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kormoc:

the gentoo-wiki was always useless, they never had it right and every time I fixed it, it just got reverted.

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JeffATL:

i've also had a month and a half gap in trying to get this going (the third attempt, btw) so part of the problem is just figuring out where the machine actually is in the process – at least i know the hardware is able to function

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: frustrating :|

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abarbaccia:

hey all – anybody use a wintv-go software encoding card?

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gentgeen__:

anyone happen to know if Hauppauge WinTV NTSC PCI TV Tuner Card Model 44001 happens to work with myth???

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, I used a similar one before

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abarbaccia:

gentgeen__ which model are you talking about

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abarbaccia:

most of them work gentgeen__ but find out which model – hte pvr150 does

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kormoc:

gentgeen__, you shouldlook up and see if it's supported by a driver (ivtv/bttv are common drivers)

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abarbaccia:

kormoc which one did you use?

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FunkyELF:

please, can someone tell me how user-jobs are scheduled? I scheduled one 45 minutes ago and it hasn't started yet.

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, a pixelview pro

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abarbaccia:

kormoc because i'm thinking of using it instead of a pvr150 and was wondering if theres a quality drawback by using on of those cards

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kormoc:

yes, there is

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gentgeen__:

abarbaccia, model 44001 is all I know... just stubled (sp?) on it on Ebay :)

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kormoc:

and a huge cpu hog as well

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abarbaccia:

crapola

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kormoc:

30% of my 2.4 ghz p4 went to encoding

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abarbaccia:

i use celerons so i'm wondering if they would be able to handle live tv

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gentgeen__:

it is a "878" base board... what ever that means :(

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abarbaccia:

since its a devoted machine i'm not really too worried about it

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, looking at 30% cpu or so on a 2.4 ghz celeron.

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abarbaccia:

gentgeen__ without model numbers i got nothing for you – msg the guy or search for something you want

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abarbaccia:

kormoc that's just for encoding – the decoding is usually around how much ?? another 30%?

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kormoc:

gentgeen__, it likely is supported by bttv, but you really don't want it. Same problem as the one I'mtalking about with abarbaccia

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, yeah, and toss on commflagging or anything else

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abarbaccia:

kormoc but isnt comm flag with a high nice value?

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abarbaccia:

so that shouldn't be too big of a deal

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, sure, but it will take much longer and you likely won't be able to realtime commflag

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abarbaccia:

kormoc do you use realtime comm flag? how is that with accuracy?

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abarbaccia:

i like how in .20 you can setup a MAX comm flag lenght. something like 5 min to make sure you dont jump half your show

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

.20?

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abarbaccia:

svn – read about it on the wiki

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abarbaccia:

i dont use it – but its a feature

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kormoc:

svn != .20 until it's been tagged so :P

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abarbaccia:

but lets think here – what about avermedia cards? they are mpeg2 encoding

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FunkyELF:

in .19 is there a place where you have to enable a user-job? I remember needing to do that in .18. Just typing the command in alone wasn't enough, you had to enable it on some other setup screen.

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abarbaccia:

kormoc its labeld that on the wiki!

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kormoc:

I have a pvr 179, and it's about 80% better then my pixelview pro

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abarbaccia:

FunkyELF just schedule a cron job youself

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abarbaccia:

kormoc is that an aver card?

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kormoc:

and the 150 is about 50% better then my 179

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, yeah, the 179 is the aver card

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abarbaccia:

kormoc aver 150 or pvr 150

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abarbaccia:

or hauppauge

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CyberKnet:

aver m179

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, happauge pvr 150

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, the aver only made the m179

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abarbaccia:

irght – aver conveniently named their card

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abarbaccia:

"pvr 150

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abarbaccia:

"

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kormoc:

there is no aver 150 afaik

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abarbaccia:

i'm looking at it on their webpage

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abarbaccia:

http://aver.com/2005home/product/tvtuner/pci/ . . . r150wb.shtml

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, and don't get me wrong, I love my 179 :)

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, that's just a rebrainded pvr 150

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: as long as you're still happy with the deal we made.

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, the m179 is a rebranded 250

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, ooh, I certainly am :)

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: very glad to hear it. I thought at first you were a little nonplussed with the cards

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kormoc:

more upset at my silly server not supporting pci 2.1 :)

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abarbaccia:

alright, looks like i'm gonna be sticking with happauge

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abarbaccia:

although i would want to look into the quality difference between the pvr-150 and the sw encoding version (wintv go?)

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abarbaccia:

beacuse if i could get by with 1 sw and 1 hw encoding card that would be most ideal

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abarbaccia:

as far as $$ goes

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abarbaccia:

brb guys – i got some HDTV questions later on – so be ready!

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, like I said, I got much worse encoding (a lot of static and bad sound, as well as slightly skewed sound) from my pixelview then the m179

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abarbaccia:

kormoc alright – i'm going to take your recommendation

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abarbaccia:

thanks

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FunkyELF:

abarbaccia, a cron job wouldn't be appropriate. What I'm running was made to be ran from mythtv as a user job. It converts the show into a video iPod format and puts it on a web site and builds xml files for podcasting

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, userjobs run right after a recording is done iirc

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, you sure the userjob is enabled and set to run on the recording?

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FunkyELF:

kormoc, yeah, that is what I have seen. But this one was ran against an existing recording

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kormoc:

ahh, donno bout that

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FunkyELF:

That is what I was asking about. Where do I enable it?

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kormoc:

under mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

under general options, there's a checkbox for allow userjob # 1 to run

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FunkyELF:

Yeah...that is where you type what the command is and give it a name

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kormoc:

and so on down the list

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FunkyELF:

there was another place where you had to enable it. Where is that?

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kormoc:

you need that checkbox checked for jobs to run

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kormoc:

under mythtv-setup->general, there's a checkbox to enable it to run

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FunkyELF:

okay, I found it....it was hidden ;-)

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JeffATL:

how OK is it to compile in " Default Linux Capabilties" as opposed to using the realtime module? same end result?

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kormoc:

JeffATL, for?

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JeffATL:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html – under "Enabling real-time scheduling of the display thread."

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

if you want to run mythfrontend suid root or as root, it works well, but meh, I don't see the point myself

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FunkyELF:

kormoc, I just typed in the command and didn't "enable it" and it was made visible in mythfrontend....then it just sits there and doesn't do anything. I don't think commands that aren't "enabled" should be shown

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JeffATL:

this was said to be an alternative to running it as root, which is not recommended. and, as an alternative to rlimits, but that requires pam 0.19, for which there is yet no gentoo ebuild

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, I ran into the same problem myself, and I agree. maybe we should put a ticket in

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kormoc:

JeffATL, meh, don't worry bout it

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FunkyELF:

kormoc, how do they show up now? When the string differs from the original, or when anything other than "" is in the command string?

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, when the command string isn't empty, aye

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FunkyELF:

also, the enable check boxes should be on the same page, or the one after it....not the one before it

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** FunkyELF likes to whine **

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kormoc:

I agree they should be on the same page

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FunkyELF:

there were new enhancements made to myth2ipod....now because it uses nuvexport and can do the cutlists, I wanted two scripts. One that used the cutlist if it existed and didn't use it if it didn't exist, and a 2nd user job for one that trusts the automatic skip list that gets created

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JeffATL:

now stuck at an inability to connect to mysql from localhost – who made this ebuild, anyway??

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kormoc:

JeffATL, can you try if -h 127.0.0.1 works better then -h localhost?

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JeffATL:

kormoc: "mysql -u root" gives "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'"

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kormoc:

JeffATL, you sure it's running? and try -h localhost and -h 127.0.0.1

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Beirdo:

try starting mysqld?

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Beirdo:

then check your my.cnf

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Beirdo:

anyways... back to my damn packing

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JeffATL:

kormoc: dang it – no, it wasn't running

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jerky_2:

is there a way to get mythcommflag to use more CPU?

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JeffATL:

kormoc: still get same error though

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jerky_2:

mine uses a max of about 20%, and it is 2 days behind on commercial flagging

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kormoc:

jerky_2, free up more cpu and it will use it

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kormoc:

JeffATL, with -h localhost and -h 127.0.0.1?

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jerky_2:

it's free, my box is about 75% idle

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jerky_2:

20% on mythcommflag, and 5% miscellaneous other stuff like waiting

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JeffATL:

kormoc: that either – turns out it's not really running even after the service appears to start ok

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jerky_2:

at least, according to top this is true

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dtm:

does it need more cpu or more I/O

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dtm:

?

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jerky_2:

i dunno... i didn't consider that it might not be able to access the disk fast enough

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 possibly top is reporting that you are not using 100% of your whole CPU but the parts that the com flag works on are completely utilized

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 i doubt that its about disk access – think – if you can watch livetv then the comm flag would take MAX the length of the show to complete which is why i doubt the IO is the bottleneck

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jerky_2:

yeah that's why i wonder why it's 2 days behind at this point... i record a max of a few hours of stuff per 24 hour period

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jerky_2:

and it can definitely render it in real time...

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 what type of processor is it?

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jerky_2:

p4 2.2ghz, 512mb ram

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abarbaccia:

holy crap

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jerky_2:

the cpu is at about 20% and ram at about 7%

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abarbaccia:

you should NOT have any problems

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Cardoe:

JeffATL: your socket is stale or MySQL isn't running

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Cardoe:

or you're not selecting the proper myql

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jerky_2:

that's with about 77% cpu idle, but no RAM free, maybe that is the problem?

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Cardoe:

you configured for sloted

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Cardoe:

but using non-slotted binary

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jerky_2:

my RAM says 515628k total, 509964k used

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Cardoe:

kormoc: hey

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Cardoe:

jerky_2: top is wrong

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JeffATL:

Cardoe: that's because it was failing after start w/o telling me

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abarbaccia:

my celeron 2.4 with 512 ram has no problem – takes about 1.5x the shows length to comm flag (i think)

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Cardoe:

jerky_2: it counts caching in there

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kormoc:

Cardoe, hihi

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jerky_2:

i have the simplest commercial flagging (blank frame) on, none of the fancy extra stuff

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 how big is your swap?

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jerky_2:

swap is 512MB, about 77MB used

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abarbaccia:

very odd

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abarbaccia:

you stumped me!

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jerky_2:

also says 445MB swap free, then 296MB swap cached

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abarbaccia:

how bout this – anybody use HD around here?

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jerky_2:

i use HD

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abarbaccia:

i have a sempron 2800+ with 512 ram and its having trouble with liveTV

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jerky_2:

top has got to be reportin gsomething incorrectly... is there a better task manager style program i should use?

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jerky_2:

abarbaccia: 720p or 1080i?

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abarbaccia:

its grabbing HD from the firewire so i dont even know!

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, what videocard?

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abarbaccia:

5200 nvidia

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kormoc:

xvmc?

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jerky_2:

hm.. you should be able to do 720p without a problem but 1080i might skip

[02:02:31]

abarbaccia:

see, i dont think its using xvmc

[02:02:35]

abarbaccia:

how do i enable xvmc

[02:02:40]

abarbaccia:

i think im using xv (is htere a difference)

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jerky_2:

yeah

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jerky_2:

first make sure you are on driver 7676

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jerky_2:

second make sure it's being used :) make sure you load driver "nvidia" instead of just "nv" in your xorg.conf

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JeffATL:

kormoc: si'm re-emerging mysql since it's picking up some new dependencies that it didn't have before

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jerky_2:

third, enable it in myth as your choice for decoder

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 how do i find out what driver i'm using

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abarbaccia:

i just grabbed the ubuntu packaged ones

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abarbaccia:

and i am loading nvidia not nv

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jerky_2:

do cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version

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abarbaccia:

7667?

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abarbaccia:

Kernel Module 1.0–7667

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jerky_2:

7667 is all right, 7676 is preferable

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jerky_2:

and anything past that has known issues

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abarbaccia:

alright – well lets just stick with this

[02:05:54]

jerky_2:

are you using myth-0.19?

[02:05:57]

abarbaccia:

hold on – i gotta get my firewire capture from the cable box working again

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abarbaccia:

yes

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abarbaccia:

broadband or point to point?

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abarbaccia:

anybody know

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Katmando:

Whats the best way to put your recordings (Commercials edited) to dvd?

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jerky_2:

ok, then go to setup, setup, tv settings, playback, and set "preferred mpeg2 decoder" to standard XvMC

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Katmando:

I used to use nuvexport. Is that the best tool for this?

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abarbaccia:

Katmando i use mythburn

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abarbaccia:

jerky_2 alright – i'll do it as soon as i get liveTV working again

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abarbaccia:

this firewire is so flakey

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Katmando:

abarbaccia: tHANKS i WILL CHECK THAT OUT

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bones10:

I have a question about 16:9 TV. When I view TV it looks fine. The GUI looks fine. When I use xine, or mplayer -monitoraspect 16:9, to view an .avi, it doesn't fill with width of the screen. This was true on my previous myth machine too. Anyone understand this?

[02:07:59]

MindHack:

one of my recent recordings has a very annoying high frequency hiss. Are there any sound equalizers that work at the system level? I know xmms has an equalizer, etc, but is there a way to flat out equalize the output of the master alsa out on the system via software?

[02:08:25]

jerky_2:

bones10, i just use "z" and "Z" in xine to zoom when necessary

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bones10:

jerky_2, what do you get when you use 'z' and 'Z' ?

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bones10:

MindHack, you try alsamixer?

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jerky_2:

z=zoom in a little bit at a time, Z=zoom out a little bit at a time

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abarbaccia:

anybody use firewire capture?

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bones10:

jerky_2, I'll give that a try. If I find a good zoom setting, is there a way to set that in the xine config file?

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jerky_2:

i'm not sure, it seems like there would be

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jerky_2:

one thing iv'e been wondering about is how myth is so smart about 16:9 tv

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MindHack:

bones10, thats all soundcard dependent right? My soundcard has no bass/treble adjustments

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jerky_2:

i have my PC hooked up to my plasma and the regular X desktop is dumb – it runs in 800x600 mode stretched out all funky

[02:10:46]

jerky_2:

but yet, mythTV is smart and it knows about my widescreen

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jerky_2:

so i'm thinking xine just isn't that smart, and it runs in a 4:3 box no matter what because my X desktop is a 4:3 ratio

[02:11:16]

jerky_2:

and it's up to me to override it with a different level of zoom manuall

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bones10:

jerky_2, hm. I've set my xorg.conf file so it's a 16x9 aspect ratio on the TV

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jerky_2:

this is also true fo rmy emulators, they don't seem to know that i'm at 16x9

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jerky_2:

i need to do that... i tried to set it to 853x480 , which is the native res of my plasma, but no dice

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bones10:

jerky_2, yeah it's a bit tricky

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JeffATL:

what's the X res of choice for a plain 'ol tube tv?

[02:12:24]

jerky_2:

what res do you run at ? 1280x720 seems to be a resolution monitors and video cards like

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bones10:

jerky_2, I'm at 1920x1080 interleaved

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jerky_2:

JeffATL: a plain old TV? depends how big it is, but more than 640x480 and you are asking for blur

[02:13:41]

ftp3:

mplayer is not working, and I suspect my dvd is not mounted... i tried cd /dev/dvd and there is nothing there... (this is a knoppmyth install) is there a way to see if the dvd is being recognized? (it was recognized at one point because its how I installed mythtv)

[02:14:01]

bones10:

MindHack, maybe I didn't understand your question. I just thought you needed to turn down some of the levels on your audio card.

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jerky_2:

ftp3: you ahve a link from /dev/dvd to the proper driver?

[02:14:15]

jerky_2:

i mean, drive... like mine is a symlink to /dev/hdd

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JeffATL:

jerky_2: 31" diag

[02:15:03]

bones10:

ftp3 do you know what device the dvd drive is on? If not you can put in a DVD and 'cat /proc/partitions'. From there you should be able to guess what device it is

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jerky_2:

try 800x600 if you are feelin gadventurous, i used to use that on a 25" regular tv and it sucked so i went to 640x480

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ftp3:

jerky_2: /dev/dvd is -> dvd -> /dev/hdc

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JeffATL:

jerky_2: seems that it's more of an issue of what will/won't make the tv freak

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bones10:

I also have a question about digital audio out. I've got it working on my system, but it uses an older nforce2 soundstorm chip. I've got a friend who would like me to help him build a system, and nforce2 isn't available much any more. Do other sound chips work ok for using S/PDIF out from TV and Movies?

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jerky_2:

ftp3: is that right? try just linking /dev/dvd to /dev/hdc and mounting it if necessary

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ftp3:

bones10: this is what that cat shows: http://pastebin.com/606707

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jerky_2:

JeffATL: your TV will probably be fine, it depends on what's converting your nice pretty monitor signal to a crappy old RCA cable signal

[02:18:34]

jerky_2:

it will work, you will just lose a lot of pixels and it can make things illegible

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bones10:

ftp3, There's a DVD in the drive?

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JeffATL:

jerky_2: it's got s-video in

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jerky_2:

ok, video/s-video... same thing pretty much. it's a little better but it's still a significant downconversion

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ftp3:

bones: yep.. there is a dvd in

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abarbaccia:

hey all – what can you make out from this error? RingBuf (FILENAME): Invalid file (fd 18) when opening FILENAME. 2 retries remaing.

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abarbaccia:

then livetv quits

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bones10:

ftp3, try typing: mount

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JeffATL:

jerky_2: it's what i've got in the family room – geforce mx4000 output

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ftp3:

bones10: http://pastebin.com/606712 <- output of mount

[02:20:47]

Blymie:

is anyone here using a motorola dsr505hd (high def sat receiver) with myth?

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bones10:

ftp3, hm try mounting /dev/hdc

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ftp3:

bones10: mount: can't find /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

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abarbaccia:

bones10 – what type of filesystem is the drive?

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bones10:

abarbaccia, it's ftp3's dvd drive

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Blymie:

ftp3: you have to make a mount point if it isn't in fstab... mkdir /mnt/somedir ; mount /dev/hdc /mnt/somedir

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abarbaccia:

do what Blymie said- he beat me to it

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ftp3:

can i call "somedir" dvd?

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Blymie:

sure

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bones10:

ftp3 it has to be an existing directory

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ftp3:

ok

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bones10:

ftp3 pick an empty directory

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Katmando:

abarbaccia: Is mythbur for knoppmyth only? If not where can I find more info?

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bones10:

I'll be back later

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ftp3:

hey! it mounted it!

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abarbaccia:

Katmando no, what version of myth are you using?

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ftp3:

blymie, now how do I make mythtv see it? sylmink /dev/dvd to /mnt/mydvd ?

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Katmando:

.19

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abarbaccia:

ftp3 you should really just make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/hdc and not mount it – myth will just access it

[02:26:18]

abarbaccia:

Katmando – then download the latest cvs (check it out on sourceforge) and run the script to install it

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abarbaccia:

Katmando it works almost flawlessly on the install with .19

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ftp3:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 8 Mar 15 19:53 dvd -> /dev/hdc <-- thats what its like now

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Katmando:

abarbaccia: great thanks

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ftp3:

abarbaccia, but when i press "play dvd" in mythtv there is still nothing going on

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abarbaccia:

well, what dvd player command do you use

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abarbaccia:

start out by running that from a terminal – always get it to work outside of myth first

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ftp3:

ok

[02:29:22]

ftp3:

the command is : mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device %d -fs -zoom -vo -xv

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ftp3:

i will try that from a xwin

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abarbaccia:

well, not with %d

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abarbaccia:

use the symlink you just made

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ftp3:

i c

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ftp3:

ok

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JeffATL:

listen, while i'm in the process of getting mythtv working, i really need to use the same box to rip a VHS tape and burn it to CD – what apps should be used for that?

[02:31:20]

ftp3:

abarbaccia: libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO).

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abarbaccia:

alright, well the question is – are you using a commercial DVD?

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ftp3:

yep.. straight from netflix

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abarbaccia:

do you have libdvdread3 installed?

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JeffATL:

oops, i meant rip VHS tape and burn it to DVD

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ftp3:

abarbaccia: it wasnt, i just installed it now

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ftp3:

same error

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abarbaccia:

i private messaged you

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abarbaccia:

what distro are you using

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ftp3:

me? no one priavte msged me.. knoppmyth

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Beirdo:

holy CRAP is mythweb slow for me tonight

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Beirdo:

like 20s per page slow

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Cardoe:

why did kormoc leave

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Beirdo:

maybe he was goin home?

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dtm:

Beirdo: heyyyyy maybe your hardware's crap! ;) suddenly.

[02:37:25]

Beirdo:

nah

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dtm:

well it's the only explanation, isn't it?

[02:37:48]

Beirdo:

you're on crack, aren't you?

[02:37:54]

dtm:

i'm imitating you.

[02:37:59]

dtm:

so you tell me! ^_^

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Beirdo:

you're on crack, and whatever

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dtm:

<3 heheheh only serious.

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dtm:

yes. crack *must* be the only possible explanation.

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ftp3:

abarbaccia: do i need to reboot after installing libdvdread3?

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andrew_:

Hey, has anyone here been able to make the DirecTV D11–100 change channels using an IRblaster and LIRC?

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bones10:

Anyone else get S/PDIF out working on their system?

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bones10:

I'm curious what sound card/chipset people have gotten to work

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bones10:

it's gotten quiet in here

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abarbaccia:

hey guys – when i try to use standard xvmc with my nvidia card (drivers 7667) X just decides to quit

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abarbaccia:

any ideas?

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ThaJeepJerk:

just use xv

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ThaJeepJerk:

:)

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abarbaccia:

ThaJeepJerk im having trouble with HD playback...

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abarbaccia:

my 2800+ sempron is at 95% and it gets jittery

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Cardoe:

abarbaccia: 0.19 or 0.19-fixes?

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ThaJeepJerk:

I don't do HD

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ThaJeepJerk:

sorry

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abarbaccia:

0.19

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abarbaccia:

Cardoe is there a problem i don't know about that's been fixed and i've wasted 3 days on

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ThaJeepJerk:

but there were a lot of DVB fixes in .19

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abarbaccia:

its not dvb – just firewire off my cable box

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Cardoe:

abarbaccia: nah. I just got a gentoo bug report that's similar

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Cardoe:

but his is 0.19-fixes

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Cardoe:

but worked with 0.19

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abarbaccia:

Cardoe do you just think that my sempron is too slow

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abarbaccia:

i mean its not an athalon

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abarbaccia:

half the cache sizes and stuff

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Cardoe:

dunno

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Cardoe:

he had an athlon64

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abarbaccia:

well i htink with a 3000+ athalon i would be doing a little better

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andrew_:

this place sux.

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Beirdo:

nice attitude on him

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abarbaccia:

what REALLY sucks is how i just got a job with intel and get a discount on processors but i decided to go with AMD for my Myth box

[02:55:56]

abarbaccia:

yeah, seriously – we don't like you either

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bones10:

lol

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Cardoe:

abarbaccia: no that's called retarded

[02:56:05]

Cardoe:

;)

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abarbaccia:

Cardoe i built the box before i got the job

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bones10:

I just got my mythtv box working – mostly

[02:58:23]

abarbaccia:

bones10 way to go

[02:58:23]

dtm:

hahaaaa! #mythtv-users has defeated yet another soul! CRUSHED by the ravages of volunteer ambivalence!!!!

[02:58:24]

bones10:

here's a pic: http://bonesio.mynetb.com/main.php?g2_view=co . . . rialNumber=1

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abarbaccia:

very nice

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bones10:

thx :-)

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timekllr:

anyone here have an hd3000 ?

[02:59:48]

bones10:

I got one – haven't gotten it to work yet

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timekllr:

hehe – i don't think you can help me then :)

[03:00:22]

timekllr:

i've got mine 65% working

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bones10:

I couldn't tell if it was because it was set up wrong or if it's cuase I have a crappy antenna

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jerky_2:

timekllr, i've got one working

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timekllr:

jerky_2: i have mine installed, and recognized by myth – but there is a lack of knowledge on how to set it up for myth

[03:01:22]

timekllr:

i can scan for channels, and it finds them

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timekllr:

trouble is, i don't know which settings i SHOULD use – qam64/128/256 for example

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jerky_2:

depends on your tv source

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timekllr:

digital cable – comcast (NJ)

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jerky_2:

i just use an antenna so i don't use any fo that

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timekllr:

so you use broadcast / terrestrial – correct ?

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jerky_2:

also keep in mind that your dig cable is probably encrypted

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jerky_2:

right

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jerky_2:

you will only be able to use unencrypted chans

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bones10:

some digital cable is, some isn't

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timekllr:

i know things like hbo are encrypted – i'm just looking to get the public stuff for now

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jerky_2:

just because it's broadcast for free doesn't mean it's goign to be free and unencrypted over dig cable

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timekllr:

i scanned and it found channels, but the channels it found are in the form c83#0 etc

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timekllr:

when i hit live tv – i get a picture

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timekllr:

but it's choppy – with no sound

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jerky_2:

ok, then what is the problem?

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timekllr:

and since it enters @ channel c83#0 – myth has no idea what the show is

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jerky_2:

then you may have to do some editing on your channels, i had to

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timekllr:

problem is i think i'm doing something wrong – like using wrong qam or something

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jerky_2:

try each of the QAMs

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timekllr:

trying diff. qams now – was hoping someone would know the right things for comcast :)

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jerky_2:

google probably knows

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jerky_2:

but it can vary by region

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jerky_2:

also, every channel on your dig cable could be encrypted

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bones10:

I believe comcast now has unencrypted HD channels

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timekllr:

don't thin kthey are – i can get a good pic/vid from firewire (but it's too unstable)

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jerky_2:

i thought pretty much all HD is encrypted

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bones10:

I think it used to be

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jerky_2:

through firewire is different, that can be decrypted by your box

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timekllr:

to my knowledge the only encrypted HD is subscription – hbo/skinomax/showtime/etc

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bones10:

but I think some cable providers are now providing unencrypted content

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abarbaccia:

cable companies are going to be required by law to give streams (firewire) of all broadcast cable

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jerky_2:

i'm talking about taking a raw signal through a coax cable

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bones10:

right

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timekllr:

have you seen this in your backend logs:

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timekllr:

2006-03–16 22:06:45.233 DVBRec(0): Packet dropped due to uncorrectable error.

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timekllr:

2006-03–16 22:06:45.238 DVBRec(0): PID 0x841 discontinuity detected

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timekllr:

2006-03–16 22:06:45.265 DVBRec(0): PID 0x840 discontinuity detected

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timekllr:

2006-03–16 22:06:45.701 DVBRec(0): PID 0x840 discontinuity detected

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abarbaccia:

i ment to say HD broadcast

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abarbaccia:

so all OTA broadcast cable you can get off firewire

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bones10:

I forget the source, but I read online somewhere that comcast and some others are providing some channels unencrypted

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timekllr:

think it's what's causing choppyness/no sound

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JeffATL:

re-asking:

[03:09:06]

JeffATL:

listen, while i'm in the process of getting mythtv working, i really need to use the same box to rip a VHS tape and burn it to DVD – what apps should be used for that?

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jerky_2:

JeffATL, i have no idea. :)

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dtm:

JeffATL: do you have a hardware mpeg2 encoder?

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timekllr:

JeffATL : what kind of tuner ?

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bones10:

jeffATL, There's a mythtv addon module that's supposed to burn dvds

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jerky_2:

use whatever TV in program you like, like mythTV... save it to an mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 stream... transcode if necessary and burn with some burning app

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bones10:

jerky_2, you use digital audio on your system?

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abarbaccia:

alright – working on getting this xvmc running so i can enjoy my HD

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jerky_2:

bones10, no, just stereo... i have never been impressed with surround sound or HDTV's support of it

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jerky_2:

abarbaccia, how is it going?

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bones10:

jerky_2, hm ok thx

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bones10:

jerky_2, for movies 5.1 sound is pretty darn good.

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jerky_2:

i agree, a movie that has been recorded in 6 channels can be impressive

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jerky_2:

but HDTV is almost never mic'd properly for that, or can put it to any reasonable use

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JeffATL:

dtm: hardware – pvr150

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jerky_2:

and i don't watch movies often... so it's not a big priority for me

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bones10:

jerky_2, yeah – I haven't tried more than stereo on tv shows

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bones10:

jerky_2, I forget if it was you who answered my question earlier about 16x9 and playing movies. I'm trying the suggestion out to use 'z' or 'Z' to zoom in xine, but I'm not sure that's still producing pictures with the correct aspect ratio

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bones10:

jerky_2, if I use xine, or mplayer with the -monitoraspect=16:9, I see a picture with a border all the way round (top/bottom/left/right). If I start zooming in xine, it fills to the top before it fills left and right, and that just seems wrong to me for a 1.78 movie

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JeffATL:

okay, i seem to have an incompatibility btwn kernel version and ivtv – emerge ivtv complains about kernel config settings that my config just plain does not have

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JeffATL:

is mythtv installation this impossible for all distros or just gentoo?

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FairWitness:

Wow. I always knew screen was powerful, but until I forced myself to start learning how to use it, I had no idea *how* powerful.

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bones10:

I've got ivtv on my setup

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bones10:

I'm using fedora core 4

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awb4422:

I've been using ubuntu..never had a problem

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bones10:

I installed it using yum with repositories. I didn't try to compile it, but someone must have been able to compile it to build the rpm

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bones10:

FairWitness, screen is awesome :-)

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JeffATL:

it isn't the compiling per se – it's all the interconnections that are undocumented and unexplained

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FairWitness:

bones10: No doubt.

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bones10:

JeffATL, it's got a lot of dependancies?

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JeffATL:

bones10: unhandled ones and incomplete installations – i.e., emerging mythtv created a mythtv user but created it no home dir – ivtv needing config options that are undocumented – there are dozens of things like that and no doc contains all the answers

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JeffATL:

and what happened in my first attempt was, if something got screwed up, there was no fixing it – nuke/pave, only answer

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timekllr:

jerky_2: if yu're still here – in mythtv-setup is your hd300 capture card setup as a DVB DTV card, or pcHDTV DTV card ?

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JeffATL:

I'm loath to turn back at this point, in part because i've done so much to get this far, and i actually have the nvidia driver, X, and mysql running

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bones10:

JeffATL, I thought I saw some howto's for getting mythtv on gentoo on the web. I think I set up gentoo once quite a while ago.

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JeffATL:

bones10: they're laughable incomplete and/or old

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bones10:

JeffATL, you might also try googling for ivtv and gentoo

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JeffATL:

bones10: oh, dont' worry – i have to google for about two dozen things plus gentoo

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bones10:

lol

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JeffATL:

oh, and LVM with the video store

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bones10:

JeffATL, you need to 'emerge' the LVM, or just need help setting it up?

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JeffATL:

bones10: no; i got it set up and working about 2 months ago

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bones10:

JeffATL, nice

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bones10:

JeffATL, why did you decide to use LVM, I'm just curious?

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JeffATL:

bones10: so when I ran out of room on my single 160GB drive, i could just extend the partition where i'll be storing video onto an addl drive

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bones10:

JeffATL, ok. That makes sense.

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bones10:

JeffATL, many people use LVM when they would be better off using Raid 0

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JeffATL:

bones10: that's not the case here

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bones10:

JeffATL, I can see that

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abarbaccia:

alright – can anybody help me here – when i try to use the xvmv acceleration on my vidia card X just dies

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bones10:

abarbaccia, what is xvmv?

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abarbaccia:

special nvidia video acceleration

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abarbaccia:

it would help because my processor is overloaded trying to do this HD crap

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bones10:

abarbaccia, you have the nvidia driver installed?

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abarbaccia:

yes

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bones10:

abarbaccia, I've got the nvidia driver installed, and it's using it. I didn't do anything special, that I'm aware of, for xvmv

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JeffATL:

i just hit an ivtv compile failure – had to go beyond current portage version – it wanted yet more kernel settings changed – thank goodness I've got four distcc nodes running

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JeffATL:

kernel compile <7 min, target machine is K7/1GHz

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djohnson:

Hey, does anyone here use XBMCMYTHTV?

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abarbaccia:

bones10 – in your xorg do you have nvidia or nv specified for the driver

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bones10:

abarbaccia, nvidia. I've got a file: /etc/X11/XvMCConfig. Contents are => libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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djohnson:

and if anyone call tell me where Myth logs to, that would be helpful :)

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abarbaccia:

bones10 what distro?

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bones10:

abarbaccia, fedora core 4

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abarbaccia:

alright -i m using ubuntu and i dont have that config

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abarbaccia:

its also getting late over here and the fact that i'm still trying to get by on a 70 dollar sempron is looming over my head

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abarbaccia:

i think i need to just man up and buy the damn 3200+ Athalon and call it a night

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bones10:

lol

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abarbaccia:

its just hard to justify when you work for intel! LOL

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djohnson:

Any quick notes on where Myth Logs to?

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monkeyBox:

Why does the mythvideo browser show the video's filename and not the video's title? Is there a way to change that?

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monkeyBox:

by browser I mean the "list" view

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abarbaccia:

monkeyBox did you get the data from imdb

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abarbaccia:

oh, because thats what list is for

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monkeyBox:

abarbaccia, yes

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bones10:

monkeyBox, go into setup/video manager

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abarbaccia:

alright

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abarbaccia:

goodnight guys

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abarbaccia:

gl with the myth setups

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bones10:

g'night

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timekllr:

just want to scream – for the record – setting up HD is the MOST annoying thing in the world.

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bones10:

I guess I'm headed for a screem then, 'cuase I'd like to set up for HD recording soon

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timekllr:

bones10: planning on going with hd tuner, or firewire ?

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JeffATL:

i would care about HD over-the-air but i watch almost no non-cable channels

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bones10:

timekllr, hd tuner

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JeffATL:

that is, i watch almost no local stations

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timekllr:

good luck

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timekllr:

OTA or cable ?

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JeffATL:

scifi, discovery, tlc, history – that's about it

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bones10:

timekllr, whatever works to start out with

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timekllr:

well good luck – i'm going to go continue to bang my head against a wall

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sanmarcos:

anybody know of a good tv watching software that supports mpeg2 encoder cards (ivtv), other than mythtv and mplayer/xine?

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Cardoe:

tvtime?

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sanmarcos:

doesnt support mpeg23

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sanmarcos:

I just want to watch tv, you know

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ftp3:

I am getting this error: libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO). when i try and run mplayer..knoppmyth distro.. has anyone else seen this?

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mchou:

ftp3: try running ifo_dump, see if it give valid output

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ftp3:

hmm, i dont have ifo_dump and I dont see an apt for it

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

ifo_dump should be part of libdvdread-utils

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mchou:

or whatver it's called in debian

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ftp3:

did i make you sigh?

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mchou:

ftp3: yup.

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mchou:

ftp3: what's the dvd?

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ftp3:

mchou, its doing it with every dvd. none work. and apt-cache search has no libdvdread-utils

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mchou:

search the apt-cache for ifo_dump

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mchou:

and use google if you are too otherwise handicapped

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ftp3:

that was the first thing i did when you mentioned it

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mchou:

so, wtf?

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mchou:

you want me to spoonfeed your or what?

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AngryElf:

has anyone here used irrecord to create their own lircd.conf file?

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Sembiance:

Hi everyone :)

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Sembiance:

How do I remove modules I'm not using from MythTV? I don't really need the myth weather and phone modules

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awb4422:

apt-get remove mythweather mythphone

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awb4422:

heh i use ubuntu tho

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ShockValue:

ok, i upgraded my kernel so i can use my new hd3000 card, but now i dont seem to get a lirc module... what am i doing wrong here?

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phar0e:

probably upgraded to a kernel without something lirc needs?

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phar0e:

maybe RF something, I'm not sure, never used lirc

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dscoular`:

Erm... didn't lirc modules go away in 2.6 most things now use the evdev kernel input stuff methinks.

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dscoular`:

ShockValue: see http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_TV_Input_f . . . HD-3000_Card it might help

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ShockValue:

hrmph

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ShockValue:

well i figured out the prob. i need to re-emerge lirc.. but i cant get it to go :9

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ShockValue:

keeps barfing trying to run automake

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achew22:

how do you setup lvm in gentoo?

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[R]:

google: lvm site:gentoo.org

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eiggirC:

Hi all – just got 0.19 working

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eiggirC:

now mythfrontend complains "2006-03–17 20:24:01.631 NVP: prebuffering pause

[07:25:33]

eiggirC:

"

[07:25:48]

eiggirC:

and I get a wee pause while watching

[07:25:51]

eiggirC:

whats wrong?

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eiggirC:

live or recorded TV makes no difference

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ShockValue:

how do i give my regular mythtv user access to use my new dvb HD devices in /dev?

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ShockValue:

cd /etc/udev

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ShockValue:

oops :)

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ShockValue:

booo.. i just did a channel scan for HD and got 0 channels :(

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Juski:

maybe ShockValue doesn't live in a HD neighbourhood

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dtm:

:/

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dtm:

i know i sure as crap don't

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dtm:

i think Cox cable has about 4 channels here.

[08:01:48]

dtm:

at the elite premium.. probably costs at least $80/mo.

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** xris kicks perl for being stupid **

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** phar0e kicks titsup **

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** Juski is having the Police come round to look at some cctv footage **

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phar0e:

good luck juski

[08:11:26]

Juski:

some twat knocked off my temporarily fixed door mirror last night

[08:11:36]

Juski:

but I got him on camera... heheh

[08:11:42]

xris:

heh

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xris:

w00t. rudimentary mythtv perl bindings committed. time to sleep.

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Juski:

ooo mythtv is gonna be PERL based now, like the mailing list guy implemented? ;-)

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phar0e:

juski you should post some pictures of your home and neighbourhood , I'm curious to see what it looks like

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phar0e:

I want to know what screams "come vandalize me"

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Juski:

just a car, parked on the street man.

[08:14:15]

DBO:

could someone help me with lirc?

[08:14:19]

phar0e:

do you have any enemies?

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DBO:

please =)

[08:14:23]

Juski:

a typical suburban street

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Juski:

enemies? not yet. not gonna be too popular with this bloke I got on camera but hey – like I care about him

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phar0e:

DBO, I know nothing about lirc but go ahead and ask anyways someone might come back from afk and reply

[08:15:34]

DBO:

well, I installed lirc, and actually had it running for a bit there

[08:15:37]

DBO:

then I rebooted...

[08:15:41]

Juski:

ahhh

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Juski:

it's been reincarnated as a different device

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DBO:

right /dev/lirc0

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DBO:

but I dont know what needs to be changed to adapt to that per say

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Juski:

I dunno why, but sometimes you get /dev/lirc/0 or /dev/lirc or /dev/lircd

[08:16:53]

Juski:

DBO you can edit the init script to use a certain device

[08:17:06]

Juski:

where that script is will prolly depend on your distro

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DBO:

mmm if I knew which script

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Juski:

something like /etc/init.d/lircd

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DBO:

doesn't lirc require the user to make the startup script... as far as I know I still have to modprobe it in

[08:18:45]

Juski:

it's a long time since I delved that deep into it, so I'm a little rusty

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Juski:

chances are it'll be in /etc somewhere

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eiggirC:

which stupid cunt invented time zones?

[08:19:50]

eiggirC:

why can't we all agree that 12 oclock is the same time everywhere on the planet?

[08:19:53]

eiggirC:

so much easier

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Juski:

lol

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DBO:

would fuck up tea time

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DBO:

and the british would never stand for that

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phar0e:

at long as that 12 oclock is when the sun is directly over my house i'm fine with that

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Juski:

too damn right

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** eiggirC watches the bacjkend bust adding 13 hours to every programme it knows about **

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Juski:

if files are changing all by themselves you might wanna use a different filesystem

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eiggirC:

I get the weirdest pauses in playback since upgrading to 0.19

[08:20:57]

eiggirC:

2006-03–17 21:10:45.356 NVP: prebuffering pause

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eiggirC:

see?

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Juski:

boo hoo. try 0.19-fixes

[08:21:24]

eiggirC:

Juski: yay thanks

[08:21:39]

eiggirC:

I'm || this close to compiling mythtv from source

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Juski:

0.19 wasn't ready enough for some people... quite a lot of people

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eiggirC:

Juski: so what tard packaged it for debian?

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Juski:

to use the fixes branch you'll have to compile from source

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Juski:

here's some news for ya... the debian packages aren't compiled with xvmc support, so if you rely on it – errrr.. you'll have to build from source anyway

[08:22:47]

eiggirC:

heh my gear is way too old to do xvmc

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eiggirC:

I'm lucky my stuff has SDRAM not 72 pin fast page ram

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eiggirC:

:-)

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Juski:

anyway 0.19-fixes erm fixes a lot of issues

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eiggirC:

understood

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Juski:

time to go re-duct tape my mirror back on so I can drive to work :-/

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eiggirC:

Juski: if I compile from source, will I loose my mysql databases?

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Juski:

eiggirC: no, but back up the DB anyway before upgrading to 0.19-fixes

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DBO:

so who might I ask about lirc Juski?

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eiggirC:

Juski: thanks dude.

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eiggirC:

is 0.19-fixes the same as the current download from www.mythtv.org ?

[08:32:30]

Juski:

no, you'll have to get it from svn

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phreekr:

hey guys, once my ivtv drivers are installed, how can i test my PVR-350 to see if it works?

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Juski:

phreekr: try the ivtv documentation. they cover most things

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Juski:

eiggirC: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv (etc)

[08:35:14]

eiggirC:

ooo thanks

[08:35:21]

eiggirC:

I was searching and couldn't find that

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phreekr:

Juski: alright thanks, im waiting on thhe output of ivtv-detect right now :)

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phreekr:

shoul this be taking a few minutes for ivtv to detect my card?

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Juski:

I wouldn't have thought so

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phreekr:

ivtv came up with a few warnings, but nothing i would think would make it take forever

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phreekr:

like you have this file, it isnt compatible with ivtv sort of thing, but i dont think im using any of the files they say

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phreekr:

think it would be safe to reboot mid ivtv-detect? i moved all the modules in the warning

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Juski:

phreekr: you'd do better posting the actual error message rather than be so vague, and let more experienced users be the judge of what is & isn't important ;-)

[08:45:37]

Juski:

anyway.. time to go to work

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phreekr:

Juski: hehe thanks :)

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achew22:

wow I am installing gentoo and it has been compiling for an hour...

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eiggirC:

achew22: right – only three weeks to go

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achew22:

crap...

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achew22:

so this isn't a system I want to trash cause it will take a long time to fix

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eiggirC:

achew22: thats why we have pre-compiled binaries

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eiggirC:

:)

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achew22:

my os is really fast...

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eiggirC:

so's my mouth

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eiggirC:

:)

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achew22:

what?

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achew22:

are you esl?

[08:47:45]

achew22:

wrong window

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achew22:

sorry

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eiggirC:

achew22: not that I know of – I'm just being a smart-arse... waiting for this svn to finish

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achew22:

that was intended for someone who was sp33k1ng in l33t sp33k

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achew22:

svn checkouts don't take that long

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eiggirC:

achew22: yes they do, at 128 K

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achew22:

also think of the irony about you telling me how much precompiled packages rock while you are getting ready to compile

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eiggirC:

-grin-

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achew22:

eiggirC I am just trying gentoo... I wanted to do it the hardcore way 1 time. from now on I will use precompiled packages for installing gentoo if I think tis better than ubuntu

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eiggirC:

achew22: what's your hardware?

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achew22:

athalon mobile xp gforce 4 integrated pvr-150/250 ---> 64" rear projection tv

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eiggirC:

heh

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eiggirC:

my best box is a P3 866

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achew22:

nice...

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achew22:

thats my work box — and i'm the head of it

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eiggirC:

heh

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achew22:

if you do the thing to find out the processing power of my chip it says 466mhz but I don't beleive it since it runs faster than the 2.2 I had in there

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eiggirC:

probably running in throttled mode

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eiggirC:

and bursts up when needed

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achew22:

ohh by the way — if you are going to build a box I reccomend a mobile processor, they run really cool so you can get a silent silent silent fan

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achew22:

your probably right

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phreekr:

woohoo! ivtv-detect just worked :)

[08:54:59]

achew22:

YAY!

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achew22:

I hate ivtv

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achew22:

ivtv is the reason I tried gentoo

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achew22:

eiggirC if this has done anything for me — it has helped my website.. I am squashing bugs in teh code left and right while this thing compiles

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eiggirC:

does svn compress automatically or something?

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achew22:

i think it gzips

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achew22:

don't swear by that though

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eiggirC:

95 Mb in 25 minutes on 128 K must have been compressed

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achew22:

thats a definite compression

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achew22:

why is it called bootstraping?

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dtm:

achew22: because you pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

[09:03:26]

dtm:

achew22: it's a cowboy term. their boots have straps you use to pull them on first thing in the morning as you roll off your bunk.

[09:03:33]

achew22:

cool

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dtm:

yeah.

[09:03:57]

eiggirC:

after you tip them upside down first

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eiggirC:

:)

[09:04:05]

achew22:

yes thats important

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dtm:

people often flip out when i use what they think is a computer term, but the dummies don't even think about the fact that they're regular English.

[09:04:17]

dtm:

eiggirC: oh yeah. and poke in em with sticks

[09:04:35]

dtm:

i just watched Survivorman do that as scorpion detection in the Costa Rican jungle

[09:04:46]

dtm:

i'm surprised i didn't think of that ^_^

[09:04:49]

achew22:

the gentoo tutorial was complaining about how he didn't know where the term came from

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dtm:

pffffft

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dtm:

that kinda stuff was actually in computer books when i was a kid. computer history and vernacular was as significant as anything in the days when all you had to say was 10 PRINT "HELLO, WORLD"

[09:06:11]

dtm:

coz you couldn't afford any software and your computer didn't come with any.

[09:06:14]

dtm:

literally.

[09:06:26]

eiggirC:

thats really the ultimate in open source

[09:06:43]

dtm:

hehee

[09:07:00]

dtm:

yeah man, typing in BASIC source code listings from magazines allllllll day.

[09:07:13]

dtm:

maybe get one listing entered and debugged in a day

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eiggirC:

then you'd turn it off and have to type it all in again the next day cos you were'nt lucky enough to own a tape drive

[09:07:35]

eiggirC:

let alone a Real Floppy Drive

[09:07:51]

dtm:

i had a tape drive but never once could figure out how to get it to work.

[09:08:05]

dtm:

i had the floppy drive for another year or two before i figured out how to save a file.

[09:08:18]

dtm:

i was 8 yrs old :-/

[09:08:23]

eiggirC:

heh I'm not really that leet

[09:08:26]

eiggirC:

I started with a 286

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eiggirC:

which had a hard drive

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dtm:

:-o

[09:08:44]

eiggirC:

mind you – it had a mouse

[09:08:45]

dtm:

my friend had one of those when we were 13

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** dtm minds **

[09:09:02]

** eiggirC bitchslaps sourceforge **

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eiggirC:

HURRY UP DOGGAMMIT

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phar0e:

DOGGAMMIT!

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dtm:

i had an apple //gs at that point. mind you, it had a 4096 color palette, wysiwyg desktop publishing, and 15 channel digitized sound.

[09:10:28]

eiggirC:

heh

[09:10:42]

eiggirC:

did you have an imagewriter?

[09:10:48]

dtm:

yes. imagewriter II

[09:11:19]

dtm:

taking color printouts to school that came from an image digitizer in 1993, people freakin out going "did that come from ..A COMPUTER??!"

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eiggirC:

FJEAR THE COLOUR DOT MATRIX!

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eiggirC:

does lack of xvmc support matter?

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dtm:

it's just a performance issue

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DBO:

hmmm, ok, now that I GOT lirc working, how do I configure MythTV to use it?

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eiggirC:

dtm: thanks – I'm guessing my hardware is just too old.

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Merlin83b2:

Morning folks.

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stuarta:

Slaiche & top o' der morning to ya.

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eiggirC:

arse – my compile fails

[09:55:26]

stuarta:

or should that be slainche?

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eiggirC:

stuarta: depends how dead the cheese is

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eiggirC:

ever noticed how spoken jokes don't work in a text-based environment?

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** stuarta nods **

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eiggirC:

I'll go play qmake for a bit I thnk

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RockClimber:

some digital tv boxes let you put a card in for channels you've paid for, does anyone know of some linux supported hardware (or software, although that's probably a gray area) that can do this decoding?

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eiggirC:

no – just pay for it.

[10:01:44]

RockClimber:

yes

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eiggirC:

:-P

[10:01:50]

RockClimber:

but where to put the card

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RockClimber:

PCI tv tuners don't have the slots that set top boxes have

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eiggirC:

true

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RockClimber:

i'm not asking for a crack, I'm asking if there are usb tuners with card facility

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RockClimber:

In the UK digital terrestrial is okay, some channels need a card, but digital satellite is crap without one.

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eiggirC:

sorry I really have no diea

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stuarta:

short answer no.

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stuarta:

what you are talking about is a CAM

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stuarta:

they are only available on certain PCI models

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stuarta:

don't worry, most of what's on those channels is crap

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RockClimber:

Sky Sports, Sky 1+2

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stuarta:

that's not on terrestrial

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Juski:

morning

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stuarta:

slaiche & top o' der morning to ya Juski!

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McLane:

hello! is someone able to help me with installing/setup myth-tv with/in SuSE10?

[10:08:42]

Juski:

what's not on terrestrial? ;-)

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RockClimber:

stuarta, I didn't mean just terrestrial

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stuarta:

RockClimber is asking about conditional access stuff ie. Sky....

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Juski:

haha

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stuarta:

RockClimber: the problem there is there are NO CAMs for sky

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Juski:

You can't even decode Sky with a PC illegitimately

[10:09:55]

RockClimber:

what does the M stand for in CAM

[10:09:56]

Juski:

they

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stuarta:

Module

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Juski:

Module

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** stuarta SNAP! **

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McLane:

no one able to help me?

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RockClimber:

Juski, even in windows? What's the point of satellite pci cards?

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Juski:

RockClimber: Sky have made it nigh on impossible to watch their TV without their equipment

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Juski:

and the point of DVB-S PCI cards is for the free to air channels

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RockClimber:

Hence Alan Sugars millions

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Juski:

Alan Sugar? yeh and Robert Fatgreedybastard

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RockClimber:

Alan Sugar owns Amstrad

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eiggirC:

okay I'm getting mad. I'm trying to compile 0.19-fixes from source, and it looks like I'm having qt issues

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RockClimber:

Who make the SKy boxes

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Juski:

Pace make a lot of boxes, but they're not doing too well financially. something about $ky raping them

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RockClimber:

I'd seen PCI sat cards (not looked into them) and assumed they must get Sky and that led me to wonder if you do CA on terrestrial

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Juski:

eiggirC: I hope you're not trying anything with Qt4 ;-)

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eiggirC:

Juski: I'm not quite sure what I'm doing

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RockClimber:

turns out the only DVB-S card I can find talks about freesat, which I guess is those shows featuring fat german singers

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eiggirC:

Juski: the first line that is an error is mythdialogs.h:7:18: error: qdom.h: No such file or directory

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eiggirC:

/usr/include/qt4/Qt/qdom.h

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eiggirC:

I guess I am using qt4 then

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Juski:

everyone assumes you can get Sky with hooky kit – when in fact – you can't. Skycrypt is tight as a drum, partly cos they've not allowed anyone to make CAMs available for anything other than approved hardware

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phar0e:

what should I do? I'm bored

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eiggirC:

phar0e: dance

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Juski:

eiggirC: you better get Qt3 then ;-)

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eiggirC:

Juski: working on it now

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Juski:

phar0e: go down your street smashing people's cars up. that seems to be a popular way to pass the time

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RockClimber:

Juski, I'm after a non-hooky method. Although years ago you could decode the analogue sky using some homebrew stuff.

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Juski:

RockClimber: subscribe, get a STB and a PVR card

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Juski:

there's NO other way. Not even a HOPE of another way

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RockClimber:

Juski, STB?

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Juski:

set top box

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RockClimber:

and a TV too probably

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Juski:

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eiggirC:

all TV is crap

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eiggirC:

my 2 year old cries when ads come on TV now

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eiggirC:

he's addicted to myth

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RockClimber:

far too much just to watch reruns of Last Of The Summer Wine on UKGold

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phar0e:

I like Coronation St.

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RockClimber:

phar0e, admittion is the first step to recovery

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eiggirC:

admissioni

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eiggirC:

admission

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eiggirC:

admitting

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phar0e:

I have no problem, I can stop watching at any time

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eiggirC:

HAH

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RockClimber:

it's early

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phar0e:

UK is awesome, Simon Cowel, Ali G, Juski, James Bond

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RockClimber:

and I'd started type admitting and couldn't be bothered with backspace

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eiggirC:

apt-get die die die

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RockClimber:

"apt-get" wow blast from the past

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** stuarta wonders what eiggirC is doing to his machine **

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phar0e:

anyone here know anything about the vt8251 chipset?

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** McLane wonders if there is any help outa there.... **

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phar0e:

I wish the internet was fast and only mythtv users were allowed to use it and we could share all our HDTV recordings

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** McLane help **

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phar0e:

HELP HELP JOYSTICK BROKE

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** stuarta warms up the trout **

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phar0e:

!trout stuarta

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** MythLogBot slaps stuarta with a trout on behalf of phar0e... **

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phar0e:

BAM!

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** stuarta cooks the trout on the barbie **

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phar0e:

was that titsup or was that titsup?

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stuarta:

someone has a titsup fascination :)

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eiggirC:

I prefer an old-fashioned sledge, or a log splitter

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stuarta:

yes, but the bot only has a trout

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stuarta:

!trout phar0e

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** MythLogBot slaps phar0e with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Mudhoney:

I am looking into what hardware I should get for a mythtv backend, I know I want to use sata hard drives, does anyone recommend a motherboard chipset well supported by linux and plays well with a software raid?

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phar0e:

Mudhoney: just be sure to check that your chipset works well

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eiggirC:

Mudhoney: intel ICH7 is good for the southbridge

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phar0e:

I got a VT8251 and I don't know how to check if Linus has included it in recent versions of his kernel

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eiggirC:

locate qlayout.h

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stuarta:

phar0e: try searching the changelogs on ftp.kernel.org

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stuarta:

seems to be 2.6.15

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phar0e:

[PATCH] via82cxxx IDE: Add VT8251 ISA bridge

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phar0e:

cool

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phar0e:

thanks stuarta !

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phar0e:

I wonder if FC5 will include 2.6.15+

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stuarta:

you still run stock kernels?

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phar0e:

well I have to get it installed first, no distro will see my disks without the kernel

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phar0e:

and i'm not bright enough to boot to a kernel not included on a cd

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stuarta:

I had a similar problem with my SATA controller...

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stuarta:

well FC5 comes out monday...

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phar0e:

what'd you do about it?

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stuarta:

my machine had 2 different SATA controllers.

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stuarta:

so I used the slower SATA controller, plus my / is mirrored on an IDE drive.

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phar0e:

Ah I see

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stuarta:

then rebuild the kernel & moved the drives to the faster connetors

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stuarta:

which works because I setup the rest of the drive as lvm

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phar0e:

I might as well just wait until monday and save myself the headaches

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stuarta:

I'd do some research in the meantime, find out what kernel they're using.

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achew22:

What the fuck is a pvr-160

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phar0e:

well everything I've read has fc5 test1,2,3 all using 2.6.15x kernels

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stuarta:

should be okay then

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stuarta:

2.6.15 is a point of happiness in kernel land

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phar0e:

I just hope that I'll be able to compile mythtv svn from source on it, such a mess

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stuarta:

Quoting Jarod "FC5 is a car crash at the moment"

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stuarta:

that was about 1.5 months ago

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phar0e:

what else do you guys do besides mythtv? anything exciting?

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Juski:

fire-eating, rock-diving, you name it

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phar0e:

liar

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phar0e:

no one would f with a fire eater's car

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Juski:

I don't think the perp is considering any consequences of his actions

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stuarta:

Guiness!

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phar0e:

are you sure it's a male?

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phar0e:

could be an angry ex girlfriend of juski's

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phar0e:

!trout phar0e

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phar0e:

g'day adante

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Juski:

an ex? nah they all live much too far away. Anyway I got 'im last night knocking my mirror off at 00:38:41. the police are coming to examine the footage tonight

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Kelerion:

oh.. cool.. you got a camera up then? what did you end up going for?

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Juski:

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Kelerion:

you using ZM?

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Kelerion:

as you said though.. they don't even consider what they are doing.. let alone worry about consequences

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Juski:

no but I'm thinking about it. my D4 is pretty shit, as shown in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/scally.avi

[11:20:38]

Juski:

the pre-alarm for camera1 stole frame rate from camera2 :-(

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Juski:

lesson learned, I've turned off activity detection

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Juski:

I need 100fps recording I think

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Kelerion:

have a look at this: www.8010-hosting.co.uk/example1.mpg

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Juski:

yeh I saw it a while ago -looks good

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Kelerion:

not this one

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Juski:

oh

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Juski:

hang on I'll jump through some hoops to get it here

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Kelerion:

I've moved it over to a better machine that can handle it better

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Kelerion:

thats only between 15 and 20 fps.. but is plenty to identify someone

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Kelerion:

and it's the same in the dark

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Juski:

I've learned that I don't need images to be digitally signed, since evidence like that can't be used in court anyway unless the crime is of sufficient weight for the CPS to analyse it

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Juski:

I think what I have already should be enough to identify him

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Juski:

the ideal would be 25fps with a megapixel camera (not PAL)

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Juski:

it's so funny that our customers (end users usually) thing they can zoom into footage like you see on '24' or 'Spooks'

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Juski:

teletext man one minute, press a key & he gradually gets less blocky... yeah RIGHT

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stuarta:

that always amuses me

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Juski:

zoom in, look around the corner.. (!)

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stuarta:

haha!

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Juski:

like when jack Bauer gets real-time satellite data to his PDA.. oh ROFL

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Kel:

that was wierd

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Juski:

so Kelerion, how much CPU does 25fps recording take for just one camera with ZM ?

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Kelerion:

on my 1gig it's using 30%

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Kelerion:

but.. theres no reason that couldn't be reduced by putting a pvr150 in there

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Kelerion:

or even better.. a 500 and putting two cams on it.. but I don't need that to monitor what I need monitoring

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Juski:

hmmm...

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Juski:

2GB an hour... 160GB disk... nice. and much better quality too

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

and I'll be able to burn it straight to DVD

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Juski:

AND have audio

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

2 PVR150s are cheaper than one PVR500 though

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Juski:

does ZM work with ivtv gear, I wonder...

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Kelerion:

ZM auto expires old events anyways.. so no management.. just export the events you want to mpg and download them straight off the cctv server

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Kelerion:

I don't see why not.. it's only reading the /dev/videoX devices

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Juski:

wicked. and I can pay for that by selling my existing system (and then some!)

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Juski:

actually... and then a _lot_

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Juski:

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Juski:

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Kelerion:

nice profit then

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Juski:

indeed

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Kelerion:

and like you say.. *much* better results

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Juski:

none of that mjpeg _shite_

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Juski:

and it'll be _full_ PAL resolution

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Juski:

not 720x288

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

sorted

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Kelerion:

I've not done it yet.. but I don't see any reason it won't work

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Kelerion:

heres a question.. if your not using the tuner on a card.. and just say svideo and composite.. can you use a single card for two inputs?

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Juski:

no, not with an mpeg encoder

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. that makes sense.. the encoder would only do one at a time

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Juski:

ordinarily you can mux between inputs, which is what ZM does

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pjn:

does ubuntu ship with an apache that serves over 2G files by default (for mythweb)?

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Juski:

you could switch inputs mid-encode, but it'll look cack

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pjn:

s/apache/apache2/

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Juski:

pjn: not AFAIK

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pjn:

any pointers on where to go to compile my own?

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Juski:

www.apache.org ;-)

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pjn:

heh :)

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Kelerion:

isn't it just a config option in apache.conf?

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Kelerion:

*and* aren't you sure actually that it's a php option come to think of it?

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Juski:

there's a post_max_size option in php.ini

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Kelerion:

I have ubuntu on my backend.. and I don't have any problems downloading mpgs greater than 2mb

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Juski:

hmm... my gentoo box won't let me

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Juski:

but I've not got the 'proper' apache2 on that box yet – it's still the gentoo-format apache2 with its gentoo-specific config method

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Juski:

gah.. ZM doesn't support ivtv cards :-(

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Kelerion:

bugger

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Kelerion:

shared memory problem apparently

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Kelerion:

theres a workaround.. but it makes it sound naff

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Juski:

yup I read that one

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Juski:

just bloody cat the stream to disk ...

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Juski:

I might be able to make my own (who knows)

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stuarta:

myth-security?

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Juski:

I didn't need activity detection to find out when the event happenned.. I just used 'goto' on my DVR, stepping in one hour increments at first, then narrowed my seeking

[11:57:20]

Kelerion:

well set it up under a slave mythbackend then

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Juski:

dummy program guide.. one hour program blocks...

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Kelerion:

thats what I did at first

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Kelerion:

exactly

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Juski:

mpeg is ideal for doing activity detection anyway

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stuarta:

big file = activity, small file = boredom

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Kelerion:

plus... when the cops come to see it and you show it on your big tv using your remote.. they are impressed.. lol

[11:59:45]

Juski:

not so much that, but the actual I & P frames can be compared very easily.. not much delta information == low activity

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Kelerion:

I liked being able to pause my tv.. switch to the cctv.. make sure everything was alright..then switch back

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stuarta:

so instead of commflagging you have activity flagging.

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stuarta:

would be useful for live BB feeds

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stuarta:

for those who watch that crap

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Juski:

would be relatively easy to do for someone who can code

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** laga slaps Juski **

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laga:

re ;)

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** pinniped waves **

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pinniped:

anyone on? :)

[12:15:41]

pinniped:

bah... probably all watching tv...

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stuarta:

all in the pub drinking Guiness

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laga:

right, it's noon

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pinniped:

oooh... the doc won't let me drink. :(

[12:18:11]

pinniped:

23:18 here

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pinniped:

I get a Session management error: Could not open network socket

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pinniped:

that happens with backend as well as filldatabase

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pinniped:

any idea what causes that?

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laga:

umm, google it, it's quite common i believe

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laga:

and it probably doesnt even hurt

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** stuarta thinks todays standard problem fix is 'more Guiness'; **

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pinniped:

I keep getting pages in German... und ich sprechen nicht deutsch!

[12:20:32]

** Juski is about to tuck into a nice tasty duck wrap :-P **

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stuarta:

mmmm duck

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quitte_:

hi. i made a g400 to rgb scart cable and now would like to test if it works. i could really need some help with it.

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** Kelerion chuckles.. **

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Kelerion:

was just talking to a friend of mine and he didn't believe I had 3 monitors.. so I took a screenshot

[12:29:48]

Kelerion:

http://www.8010-hosting.co.uk/screenshot1.jpg

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Merlin83b2:

Heh.

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Merlin83b2:

I have two – how do you get the taskbar to go across all 3?

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Kelerion:

ultramon

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Merlin83b2:

Ah.

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Juski:

edit xorg.conf, presumably. 'narf

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Merlin83b2:

Very good, Juski :-P

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Kelerion:

I've given up, temporarily, on getting linux working properly on this machine

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Juski:

that's erm... impressive length of desktop

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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rui:

hi

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Kelerion:

hi

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rui:

what are the minimal requisites to run mythtv

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rui:

?

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rui:

hardware ones?

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Merlin83b2:

Many and varied. Depends what you want to do, rui.

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Juski:

you need a CPU, prolly some RAM and a motherboard... possibly a hard drive or two.. oh and a PSU

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rui:

imagine that I want to take full advantage of it

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Juski:

do you wanna record standard or HDTV?

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Merlin83b2:

What do you mean by full advantage though? Do you have HDTV? Do you want to do much transcoding? Commercial flagging? Do you care more about quietness than speed of these operations?

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stuarta:

then you might need a keyboard too....

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Juski:

there's a lame list (I'm on it) of people's working mythtv configurations on a webpage somewhere

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Juski:

just to give you an idea what you need

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Juski:

basic mpeg2 SDTV recording & playback can be done on a 1Ghz system

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Juski:

(with a hardware encoding tuner card)

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Kelerion:

http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php

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Juski:

what I am saying? read the mythtv.org website's FAQ

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quitte_:

Merlin83b2: i'm close to giving up the g400 and use a different card. but the geforce2 can't do interlacing so it won't work for a vga-rgb cable,too?

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Juski:

can't do interlacing? who says?

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Juski:

interlaced modes have been dropping in & out of nvidia drivers since the dawn of time.. YMMV

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Juski:

ooo! Mr Hat is gonna be at lugradio live....

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laga:

who is mr. hat?

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quitte_:

ok then. so ill begin with normal vga out on g400. but i'd prefer using composite sync by the xserver instead of soldering the vsync hsync merging part.any idea what resistor should be in the csync line then?

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Juski:

laga: Mr Garrison's puppet thing. Or the Red Hat guy I dunno

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Juski:

quitte_: point me at a schematic

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laga:

Juski: oh, nice

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Juski:

brb.. going to the lab to play Kelerion's mpeg

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Kelerion:

okies..lol

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quitte_:

Juski: http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/circuit.html

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Juski:

Kelerion: hmmmm mpeggy

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Juski:

quitte_: you actually need most of that circuit

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Juski:

Kelerion: but as you say – pretty good quality – how far away is your camera?

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Kelerion:

definately clear enough ID someone.. it's about 5 meters

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Kelerion:

narrow lense on that cam

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Juski:

what size?

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Kelerion:

4.3

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** laga should call siemens to see if his 20yr old tv supports rgb input **

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Juski:

4.3mm – that's not very narrow

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Kelerion:

it isn't?

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Juski:

3mm is almost a fisheye lens

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Kelerion:

ahh.. not seen those

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quitte_:

Juski: http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart

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Juski:

mine are 8mm – get good framing for the distance the camera is from the subject

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quitte_:

but as i understand it when using csync only the voltage level is too high from vga

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Juski:

quitte_: probably not

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Kelerion:

I wasn't so much bothered about that as being able to capture in near total darkness.. which was the primary reason I got that cam

[12:53:27]

Kelerion:

I have a 110foot garden.. and am thinking of getting a second one to look over that.. I think it'll work quite well

[12:53:29]

Juski:

quitte_: the syncs might well be TTL (0 to 5V) level, so you'd need to get them down to 100mV or so

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quitte_:

Juski: this one seems the easiest to me that does it properly so far but i want to use csync instead – so one resistor should be enough:http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~pfeffer/tvout/

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Kelerion:

Juski.. that clip you sent .. is the cam inside looking through glass? or outside?

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Juski:

Kelerion: outside

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Juski:

after it's been munjed up by my D4's mjpeg

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Juski:

quitte_: I dunno then... I don't think nvidia cards output csync though

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quitte_:

Juski: no problem i'd use g400 then. that one definately can do it

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Kelerion:

do you recognise the kid?

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Juski:

Kelerion: I don't, but the police may very well

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Juski:

and it's no kid

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

oh.. thought it was a tall kid

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Juski:

I was up at that time too

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Juski:

maybe it's a good job I didn't find out til this morning though

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Juski:

anyway the material looks much better than 3/4 of what's shown on crimewatch :-D

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Kelerion:

definately

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Juski:

my replacement mirrors arrive on Monday

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Juski:

I might just effect a repair til then – make em look new

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Kelerion:

were they completely snapped off?

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Juski:

one was

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Juski:

the driver's side

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Juski:

in that clip he twats it & the gaffer-tape comes away

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Juski:

thing is the metal bracket is snapped

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Juski:

shitty die-cast rubbish :-/

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laga:

i think i need a camera, too. some stupid kid *always* puts it candy wrapping on my car. sucker

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Juski:

see what mister copper says tonight... if it's not good enough _then_ I'm gonna buy another PVR.. wait a minute

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Juski:

I've got a leadtek pvr2000 card doing nowt.. only snag is audio doesn't work

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Juski:

the video encoder works.. (mmm)

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stuarta:

your security comes with audio?

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Juski:

laga: rig your car to explode when something lands on it.. it'll have the added bonus of keeping the birds off it too ;-)

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Juski:

stuarta: yeah

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laga:

Juski: good idea ;)

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stuarta:

guess i'm used to nightclub security, no point in having audio :)

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laga:

but HDTV cameras?

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** Juski attached a mains cable to his car. the scally is now suing him cos although there was a notice saying "do not touch this car, you will get a big shock", he can't read... **

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Juski:

(pretendy situation)

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Juski:

"hey I smashed your window open & a big pane of glass came down & cut my arm off... I'm gonna sue"

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Juski:

</soapbox>

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Kelerion:

brb

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Hoxzer:

Dont you guys I should compile myth plugins

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Hoxzer:

yeah, I should

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Hoxzer:

vittu jalka ihan vitun kipee

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Hoxzer:

oops sry finnish

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Hoxzer:

I was just saying my leg is sooo huuurt

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Hoxzer:

I will never again keep it in that possios

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Hoxzer:

*position

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** Merlin83b2 tries a bulid of latest SVN to see if BE has stopped crashing on tuning. **

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Merlin83b2:

Poo. It hasn't.

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: You around?

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stuarta:

just got back

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** stuarta pokes Merlin83b2 **

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Merlin83b2:

WB :-)

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Merlin83b2:

Any clues on the tuning = crash thing?

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stuarta:

hrm, that the one somebody opened a ticket with a backtrace last 12hrs

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Merlin83b2:

Not sure, let me go have a look in trac...

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quitte_:

cable is ready i think. has someone got a pal fb.modes definition for me?

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quitte_:

never mind

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: Not really, that's during a channel scan (ticket 1531) this is just normal operation and tuning to a channel – the BE tuning to do an EIT scan does it, for instance.

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stuarta:

ooo, nasty. Probably due to the ffmpeg resync

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stuarta:

dk, put in one fix already, but maybe it needs more

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Merlin83b2:

That's just over my head...

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stuarta:

over my time allowance before next week :)

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stuarta:

just find the changeset by ijr that say ffmpeg resync and use the previous

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stuarta:

but please find a nice useful backtrace first :)

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stuarta:

you still using the debug build?

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Merlin83b2:

9260 and 9378 say that. This started happening between 9300 and 9310

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Merlin83b2:

This doesn't have debug in it but I can easily rebuild with debug on if you'll be around to help me get useful information out of it when it's finished building :-)

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stuarta:

I have 3 hours before I go to the pub for lots of Guiness

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Juski:

oh yeah it's plastic paddy day again

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Juski:

;-)

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** stuarta doesn't need much excuse for a party **

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Merlin83b2:

In that case, stuarta, I'll set the build going now and cross my fingers :-)

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stuarta:

Sounds easily repeatable, which is handy

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Merlin83b2:

Very easily – fire up BE, wait a few seconds for it to try tuning into anything, be that for a recording or for an EIT scan.

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Juski:

whoah – _that_ easy to make it fall over? v.v. bad

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Merlin83b2:

Yeah, happened as I say at around changeset 9300

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stuarta:

wasn't as easy to kill before though was it?

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Merlin83b2:

I did come and talk about it at the time, but we were also talking about the nonexistent recordings. That, at least, has been repeated elsewhere now.

[14:13:50]

Merlin83b2:

It was, stuarta. I just rolled back to a version that didn't do it.

[14:14:02]

stuarta:

ahhhh

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Merlin83b2:

Confusing, that talking through two probably unconnected issues at once :-)

[14:14:29]

stuarta:

okay 9300 works, 9310 doesn't?

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Merlin83b2:

9300 falls over every now and then and I haven't worked out a pattern to it.

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Merlin83b2:

Correct.

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stuarta:

ahh, the big evil one is 9305

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Merlin83b2:

Looks likely :-)

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stuarta:

that's the one that needs all the debugging. since it is the future

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stuarta:

we'll just assume thats the problem and debug head...

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Merlin83b2:

And I'm happy to help with that, I just lack the experience to do it all alone – always happy to run the failing version and submit whatever logs and bts I'm asked to :-)

[14:18:09]

stuarta:

how goes the compile?

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Merlin83b2:

It does go.

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stuarta:

do you use ccache? it helps.

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Merlin83b2:

I do, it does :-)

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stuarta:

can you do the setup as per http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc22.2

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Merlin83b2:

I can do – as in run it from inside gdb rather than attach gdb once it's running?

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Merlin83b2:

I'd sooner attach it since it's then using the same init scripts etc as in normal usage.

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Merlin83b2:

Unless you want the -v options in there...

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stuarta:

since this one is repeatable & happens quickly that is the best way

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stuarta:

the -v options are very important.

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Merlin83b2:

Okay.

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Merlin83b2:

we're onto make install..

[14:26:09]

Merlin83b2:

Right, here we go...

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stuarta:

me 10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1. Blast Off!!!!

[14:27:07]

** stuarta trouts himself **

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Merlin83b2:

Heh.

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Merlin83b2:

Just waiting for it to pick a channel...

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Merlin83b2:

Okay, what now? It's dropped me back to the (gdb) prompt.

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stuarta:

quit

[14:31:16]

Merlin83b2:

The program is running. Exit anyway? (y or n)

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stuarta:

check if you have a gdb.log

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stuarta:

or gdb.txt even

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Merlin83b2:

gdb.txt, yeah

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stuarta:

if it's got the current date, continue with the quit

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stuarta:

then pastebin

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Merlin83b2:

http://pastebin.com/607417

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Merlin83b2:

Erm, did I need to do a distclean before the make?

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stuarta:

erm yes, and looks like you may have a type on the 'thread apply all bt full' line

[14:35:51]

stuarta:

but it does look like some of the other backtraces around

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stuarta:

even that scanning one from last night

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Merlin83b2:

Want me to run it again and do the thread apply all bt full ?

[14:37:15]

stuarta:

quicker than a full rebuild

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stuarta:

worth a try

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Merlin83b2:

Waiting for the channel tune...

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Merlin83b2:

Wheeeeeee

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Merlin83b2:

Lots of output.

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stuarta:

sorry, can you do 'set logging on' and rerun thread apply all bt full

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stuarta:

then it'll be in the logfile

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Merlin83b2:

Seems to be already: http://pastebin.com/607433

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Merlin83b2:

(And I can't see a typo on the 'thread apply all bt full' line, but I agree it seems like it should be there.

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stuarta:

can I get the myth.log too please?

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Merlin83b2:

http://pastebin.com/607437

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stuarta:

that's it?

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Merlin83b2:

Yep, that's it.

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stuarta:

fancy trying valgrind?

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Merlin83b2:

I do not know what that is.

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stuarta:

memory access checking tool :)

[14:49:20]

stuarta:

have you a decent amount of memory in that box?

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Merlin83b2:

Just 256MB

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stuarta:

no point then.

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Merlin83b2:

Does the information I've managed to glean help at all?

[14:50:38]

Merlin83b2:

Would valgrind be needed to get anything worthwhile?

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stuarta:

it tells me it's in the av_crc routines which is what dk tried to fix before

[14:51:36]

stuarta:

valgrind would say something like "invalid memory access at blah.cpp:232"

[14:51:44]

stuarta:

with nice call traces too.

[14:52:01]

Merlin83b2:

Ah

[14:52:07]

Merlin83b2:

But it needs shedloads of memory to run?

[14:52:15]

stuarta:

but you don't have the memory for it,

[14:52:35]

stuarta:

yes, loads, valgrinding the BE needs about 1–1.5Gb mem

[14:52:39]

Merlin83b2:

Ouch.

[14:52:58]

stuarta:

if you don't want to go out for dinner while waiting for it

[14:53:12]

Merlin83b2:

I was going to I could put 512 in it by stealing from my normal box but I guess that's no good.

[14:53:21]

stuarta:

also runs a lot slower...

[14:54:13]

Merlin83b2:

Afraid I don't think I'll be able to help on that one.

[14:54:21]

Merlin83b2:

SO no more output I can usefully provide?

[14:55:04]

stuarta:

you can try the distclean first, to see if we can get a non corrupted backtrace

[14:55:16]

stuarta:

but apart from that it's keep an eye on the mailing list...

[14:55:52]

stuarta:

Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) <- don't want to see that

[14:56:01]

Merlin83b2:

Would a non corrupted backtrace narrow the problem down further?

[14:56:34]

stuarta:

yes, but if it's still corrupted, it needs to be looked at from the other way...

[14:56:59]

Merlin83b2:

As in the valgrind way?

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stuarta:

valgrind or eyeball method.

[14:57:30]

Merlin83b2:

Still over my debugging head :-)

[14:57:48]

stuarta:

debugging is an artform :)

[14:57:58]

Merlin83b2:

Build following distclean going now.

[14:58:28]

Merlin83b2:

Heh, debugging IP networks I'd be able to help with but it's a long time since I did any proper coding and debugging.

[14:59:04]

stuarta:

same theory.

[14:59:28]

Merlin83b2:

Yeah, but you need the experience to know what you're being told :-)

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mmead:

anyone watch 1080i on their myth box?

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mmead:

720p works well for me, but 1080i gets "shifted" right

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: New bt without the corrupt stack thing: http://pastebin.com/607545

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: The myth.log to go with it: http://pastebin.com/607562

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scopeuk:

have to say myth is the only thing thats made the text feature on my tv card work properly

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Juski:

text feature? teletext?

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Kelerion:

just looking at some HD samples from Sky.. *damn* they're clear

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scopeuk:

Juski yeh it pulls the cc data off with it

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Juski:

ahh just CC.. so not teletext

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Juski:

HD samples? what format are they in?

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scopeuk:

can i do proper tele text?

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scopeuk:

im onlyusing .18

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Juski:

scopeuk: don't think so

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Juski:

like you'd be missing anything anyway ;-)

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scopeuk:

stickign iweth .18 becouse knopmyth has it nd i complelty lack any ability with linux

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scopeuk:

with teletext or .19?

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Kelerion:

1080i

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Juski:

Kelerion: yes, but what format? mpeg2?

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Kelerion:

wmv3

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Juski:

I downloaded some HD samples from apple.com a while ago – couldn't play them in QT or in wmv format on my Athlon 2800

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Juski:

and that's with a nvidia fx5200 & all the directx bollocks

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Juski:

found some proper mpeg2 & it was lovely though

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scopeuk:

all i know is my 3200 64 cope and my 1. duron doesent

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Kelerion:

beautiful colors

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Kelerion:

pity I'll never get that with my setup here.. lol

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Juski:

heh. I bet that 'planet earth' thing on BBC1 would love a bit orgasmic in HD

[16:04:53]

stuarta:

Merlin83b2: ooo interesting...

[16:05:05]

Juski:

it was produced in HD, so maybe one day...

[16:05:36]

** Kelerion looks suspiciously at the BT van parked outside and wonder what they're up to **

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Merlin83b2:

It's really MI5, Kelerion.

[16:06:08]

Kelerion:

oh crap.. I hope not.. lol

[16:06:24]

Kelerion:

ok..they've gone and nothing is broken

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** Juski waits for the cries of being abducted by MiB **

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: Hope it helps. I've put 9300 back on for now, but have both non-debug 9300 and debug HEAD ready to go.

[16:06:43]

Merlin83b2:

Kelerion: That's because they realised you were on to them.

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Kelerion:

I don't trust BT in my street.. they always break stuff

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Dibblah:

Dya think anyone reads the ticket howto?

[16:07:32]

Juski:

nah

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Kelerion:

I read it the one time I actually submitted a ticket

[16:07:47]

Juski:

it's for insulting people & suggesting features, isn't it? ;-P

[16:08:04]

Dibblah:

1534–1537. All noise.

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mmschnei__:

Hey guys, I am trying to setup mythweb on a remote frontend (my webserver), but I cannot find what I need to change to tell it to connect to another IP for the back end.

[16:08:30]

Kelerion:

.htaccess

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Juski:

.htaccess

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Dibblah:

.htaccess maybe?

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Dibblah:

;)

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Kelerion:

probably :)

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mmschnei__:

Did that change in .19?

[16:09:08]

Kelerion:

yup

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mmschnei__:

ah, I was looking for a conf file somewhere, I did it long ago

[16:09:23]

mmschnei__:

Thank you =)

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Kelerion:

or 18.2

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** Kelerion goes for more coffee **

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mmschnei__:

hrmm

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mmschnei__:

getting an error still...

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mmschnei__:

Can't connect to the database server. Lost connection to MySQL server during query [#2013]

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: Is giving you this information enough to get it through to dk (unless it's you who's going to hack on the code)?

[16:14:47]

mmschnei__:

I granted access to the DB and flushed the privilegs

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stuarta:

Merlin83b2: the backtrace looks like it contains some useful info.

[16:16:48]

stuarta:

I'm assuming this is with current svn? If so then post it to -dev

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Merlin83b2:

It is current SVN (or as of a few hours ago at any rate)

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Kelerion:

Juski – it's alright.. they'll soon tell you if you have any outstanding warrants :P

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stuarta:

then it's good to send.

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Kelerion:

mmschnei make sure you mysql isn't just allowing access from localhost

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stuarta:

he'll want the log file too.

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Merlin83b2:

Is the done thing to post links to pastebin on the -dev list or to include the text in the mail?

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Juski:

pastebins aren't kept long enough

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stuarta:

gzip the backtrace & log and attach it

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Merlin83b2:

This could be entertaining, got to get that text from my BE, through my gateway at home to my machine here, gzipping it somewhere along the route :-)

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Merlin83b2:

But will do – post should be up in 5 or 10 mins

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mmschnei__:

Kelerion: I have run grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"90.0.0.%" identified by "mythtv";

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mmschnei__:

Is that what you were referring to?

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Kelerion:

nope

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mmschnei__:

what else do I need to do then?

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Kelerion:

my.cnf has some networking stuff by default (at least on mine) that binds it to localhost

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Juski:

Kelerion was referring to your my.cnf file, mmschnei__

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mmschnei__:

oh yeah.

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stuarta:

fozi: you around?

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mmschnei__:

forgot about that one, thanks

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: That stuff I mentioned the other day about running as root killing the system that I thought I'd read is in section 22.2 of the HOWTO along with the debugging info :-)

[16:30:05]

mmead:

Juski: the HD samples from apple were H.264, right?

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fozi:

stuarta: yeah

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stuarta:

would your caching of av_codecs be affect by the recent ffmpeg resync?

[16:31:42]

stuarta:

see Merlin83b2 backtrace above

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stuarta:

http://pastebin.com/607545

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stuarta:

either that or daniel's missed a sport where the av_codec's need initializing

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Merlin83b2:

Just mailed -dev, stuarta.

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stuarta:

now we shall see what happens :)

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mmschnei__:

Ok, I change my.cnf now I am getting a new error that I haven't seen before.

[16:35:38]

mmschnei__:

Can't connect to the database server. Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client [#1251]

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mmschnei__:

mythweb is .19 so is the backend, not sure what the fuss is about.

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stuarta:

have you upgraded mysql recently?

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fozi:

stuarta: i think the backtrace is not related to any of changes i've done

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mmschnei__:

its a fresh install

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stuarta:

didn't think so, it just popped into my head while looking at it...

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mmead:

mmschnei__: sounds like the php mysql lib is old

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g-ram:

hey, in knoppmyth, what folder can I dump videos into, to have them appears in the "watch videos" section"

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g-ram:

?

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Juski:

mmead: I dunno what format they were, presumably h.264 – I could play mpeg2 no problem though

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Juski:

g-ram: depends on where you configure mythvideo to expect to find your videos

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mmead:

Juski: yeah, H.264 takes a bit more cpu to decode, so HD resolution is harder. mpeg2 is relatively easy

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g-ram:

i figured it out i think. i have to drop them in /myth/videos/ then enter the configure videos page and it adds them to the database

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Juski:

a bit more CPU? like a lot harder I think

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mmead:

Juski: my athlon xp 1733mhz was capable of mpeg2 at HD resolutions using a geforce5200/6200

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mmead:

Juski: bit more -> QUITE a bit more :)

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Juski:

anyway VLC media player coped with HD mpeg2 on my windows machine

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mmead:

cool

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mmead:

I just found my issues with ivtv were a result of my overclocking, I think

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Juski:

it didn't have enough bite to deinterlace

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mmead:

was getting corrupt mpeg streams from it

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mmead:

dropped back to stock (athlon 64 @1800mhz) and it's much better

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mmead:

Juski: have you had to tweak pci latencies?

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Juski:

mmead: thankfully not

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Juski:

overclocking is baaad, m'kay...

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mmead:

Juski: I just tried to set those up – as well as vm.min_free_kbytes

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mmead:

Juski: the athlon 64 is pretty stable at higher speeds, but not in this case... going to try to re-overclock it with the pci latencies set... the board was setting everything but video to 64, so the pvr350 could have been sending data more quickly than the drives could cope

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Juski:

I can record 3 streams (2 DVB-t, one PVR150) and watch recordings over my network without any problems – and I've got a Via motherboard in the backend :-)

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kgbudz:

whats the deal with mythtvs mp3 player?

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mmead:

Juski: are you in europe?

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Juski:

mmead: UK

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kgbudz:

cause the sound quality off of it is horrible

[16:57:28]

kgbudz:

at best

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mmead:

Juski: so true dvb-t

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mmead:

Juski: not US HDTV hack

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Juski:

mmead: yup

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kgbudz:

i play the same mp3s off of winamp and it sounds great

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mmead:

Juski: what is the typical bitrate on the dvb-t streams?

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kgbudz:

anyone else getting this, or is it just me?

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Juski:

kgbudz: blame mythmusic's mp3 libraries, libmad or whatever they are

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mmead:

Juski: what does hdparm -T /dev/hda give you?

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** Juski 's mp3 playback over SPDIF output sounds pretty schweet **

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Juski:

mmead: Timing cached reads: 1148 MB in 2.00 seconds = 573.80 MB/sec

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mmead:

Juski: cool

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mmead:

Juski: I should be capable of similar then

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Juski:

and -t gives me : Timing buffered disk reads: 128 MB in 3.02 seconds = 42.40 MB/sec

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mmead:

Juski: getting 1780MB/s

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Juski:

I only have a 400Mhz FSB though

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mmead:

Juski: and 49MB/s with -t

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Juski:

whatever ;-) it's enough for me

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mmead:

Juski: yes

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mmead:

Juski: the highest bitrate HDTV I've been grabbing is about 100MB/min

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Juski:

/dev/hdd gives me : Timing buffered disk reads: 198 MB in 3.01 seconds = 65.83 MB/sec

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mmead:

it varies a lot for me on specific drives too

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mmead:

my sata is the fastest

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Juski:

all of these are PATA. I don't trust SATA to be up to the job on this motherboard

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mmead:

Juski: what mobo?

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Juski:

Gigabyte 7AVX or something

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mmead:

Juski: I have an Asus A8V, seems ok so far, but has via chipset.

[17:04:02]

Juski:

some people rant on about Via being a PoS, but I've yet to see evidence in my own experiences

[17:04:23]

mmead:

Juski: I've had a number of asus via chipset motherboards and they all seem to be ok

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Juski:

personally I think it has more to do with motherboard design – obviously your cheap shitty makes like PCCHIPS are worst ;-)

[17:05:10]

mmead:

it's all anecdotal, obviously, but FoxConns have all failed for me

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Juski:

it's in the name

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mmead:

heh

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mmead:

I have a work P4 HT/3Gz system just sitting in a box because it's not worth the time to diagnose.

[17:06:14]

mmead:

new systems are so cheap

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Juski:

I have a board I repaired to test when I can get round to it... might be gonna build a CCTV recorder with it

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mmead:

surveillance cameras?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

some via chipsets are ok..there are just too many that has serious problems

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Juski:

yeh I have a purpose made CCTV DVR but it's quite sucky

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ls

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RaYmAn-Bx:

uh

[17:07:30]

RaYmAn-Bx:

wrong window (i'm sure you all guessed that)

[17:07:32]

Juski:

only records at 25fps over 4 cameras (shared) at 720x288 resolution in MJPEG

[17:07:46]

Juski:

what does the 'uh' command do?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the same as ls just more fancy

[17:08:10]

Juski:

I see ;-)

[17:08:25]

mmead:

I used to know someone who would alias any mistype so it never happened again

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Juski:

dangerous

[17:08:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it's a bit unfortunate when you end up with a lot of things aliased to rm :S

[17:09:10]

mmead:

yes :)

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Juski:

after wiping a whole system I considered aliasing rm to something less harmful

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Juski:

but I think I'd only do a rm -rf /* once

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mmead:

whenever I do an rm -rf *

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mmead:

I catch myself

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the really nasty thing to do is rm -rf / some/path or rm -rf ~ /some/other/path

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mmead:

I usually then enter a full patch rm -rf /path/to/dir/*

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that evil extra space

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mmead:

otherwise I might accidentally select it out of history

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mmead:

s/patch/path/

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Niklas_E:

does dvb-s epg work with mythtv?

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Niklas_E:

(on astra)

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Juski:

Niklas_E: I think so, but can't be sure

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Niklas_E:

is ther any settings to do? can't make it work

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Juski:

in mythtv-setup, make a video source & have it set to EIT Only

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Juski:

then for every channel you want the guide data for, make sure the useonairguide box is ticked

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Juski:

and make sure the video source is linked to the satellite tuner card

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Juski:

(again in mythtv-setup)

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Juski:

restart mythbackend and it _might_ just work

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Niklas_E:

hmm, I think it is so I have done, but gonna do it again

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Juski:

mythtv needs to be built with --enable-dvb-eit configured, too

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Juski:

some binaries might not include that

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Niklas_E:

ah,

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Niklas_E:

tnx

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Juski:

you can run mythbackend with an EIT debug option though

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Juski:

mythbackend --debug help to find out which option it is ;-)

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Niklas_E:

ok thanks so mych

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Juski:

np

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Juski:

time to go home & wait for the nice policeman to arrive I think

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Juski:

laters, all

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l0s3c:

has anyone had any sucess with getting DVB subtitles from a twinhan ter ci in myth? i'm able to get teletext subtitles on the channels that support that but with dvb nothing, i have tried .19 and svn. Provider is Boxer in Sweden

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GreyFoxx:

I live!

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GreyFoxx:

Just crazy busy at the new job

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I know the feeling... just did a colo migration...

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drdaz:

meh... it seems that the "Myth wants to record" prompt defaults to the wrong option if you're watching a programme which is being recorded... this is in 0.19-fixes

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drdaz:

can anyone confirm this behaviour?

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drdaz:

to clarify, if you're in LiveTV it correctly chooses "Record and watch while it records"

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Andreax:

2006-03–17 19:45:27.555 Bad ANN query

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Andreax:

Idea what that means?

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Chacabaou:

I'm using the current SVN and since switching to opengl (imho), I can't access the setup menu anymore. The frontend says "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" and nothing happens. Any ideas?

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drdaz:

the "Myth wants to record..." prompt... if I were looking for the code governing that, where should I look?

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drdaz:

I'm figuring that changing it's default value can't be too hard :)

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Anduin:

drdaz – tv_play.cpp

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drdaz:

thx

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** drdaz gets a cup of coffee and an aspirin :D **

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jblake:

hi

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** xris digs this belgian music... **

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bagleabuse:

xris, are you the one who is running gentoo

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xris:

bagleabuse: god no... (points at kormoc and Cardoe)

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drdaz:

there can be only one

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drdaz:

oh

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drdaz:

2 then

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jblake:

xris, this is jblake2, you've emailed me regarding several issues with mythweb

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Achew22:

okay... i'll thank them. this thing is running really fast

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xris:

jblake: suse?

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jblake:

yes

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xris:

were you able to fix the gzip thing?

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kormoc:

yay for fast gentoo

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jblake:

yep, that worked

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xris:

ok, first... do you have the new .htaccess file?

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Achew22:

kormoc but it did take 10+ hours to install

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jblake:

just the .htaccess that came with the .19 install, is there another?

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kormoc:

Achew22, patience is a virtue

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kormoc:

:)

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xris:

jblake: a lot of people had the .htaccess from .18, which doesn't have enough options for .19

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Achew22:

meh — I started writing a website I have been meaning to write for a long time and finished it... so its not really a virtue its a reason to not play with mythtv

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Juski:

yeh you never rush into much with Gentoo ;-)

[19:21:31]

Achew22:

I have aquestion about emerge though — when you emerge something does it automaticly find dependancies that it needs and adjust for them or will it give you a list

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jblake:

ahh ok, y, it changed significantly. I am all set, except recorded programs listing is still blank?

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Juski:

Achew22: always best to try emerge -pt first ;-)

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Achew22:

what does the -pt switch do?

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Juski:

pretend and erm.. something else

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Achew22:

lol

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drdaz:

heh... perhaps changing that default is not quite so simple without knowing C++

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kormoc:

-t is tree?

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xris:

jblake: ok, time to figure out why you're not getting any... is the page completely blank, or just says that there are no recordings?

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kormoc:

Achew22, yes, if you update a package and it has new depends, it will recalc it all out

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Achew22:

nice....

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Achew22:

thats sexy

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jblake:

just showing no recordings, when I have like 26

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Achew22:

if they made install easier then it would be really easy to give this to people who knew little about linux. The hardest part to pick up, in my oppinion, was to learn how to compile

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kormoc:

Achew22, emerge package was hard?

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Achew22:

no

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Achew22:

thats really easy — as opposed to the apt-get system where it wouldn't have a dependancy listed and I would have to go get it and compile from source

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Achew22:

emerge does the get it and compile automaticly so thats really cool

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xris:

jblake: ok.. do you get a javascript alert that says "No matching programs found." ?

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jblake:

xris no I do not get a javascript box,

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xris:

ok, that's a start

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jblake:

xris, I am just noticing a javascript error on page that probably is preventing alert box

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xris:

hmm

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xris:

what's the error?

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Achew22:

Kormoc I have a gentoo question do you mind if I pm you?

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jblake:

xris recorded.php, line 338 invalid argument supplied foreach()

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kormoc:

Achew22, go for it

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jblake:

which is this line in the code foreach ($row_count as $count) {

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xris:

jblake: ok, that's definitely a bug... but only because there are no recordings.

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xris:

modules/tv/recorded.php, before line 155, add: debug($record);

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jblake:

well, I populated the $all_shows arrays, with select * from recorded, using that array gets some data out there

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jblake:

that all_shows array seems to be empty

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xris:

yeah, that's not the right thing to do.. need to get the data from the backend.

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xris:

so I need to figure out why you're not getting anything.

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jblake:

xris, which line is 155 near, .. hold on, I have to get the origian recorded.php, so it matches your line 155

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xris:

need to be using the original

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jblake:

xris, ok, got original and added debug($record);

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jblake:

xris, where do I see that

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xris:

reload the pager

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xris:

page

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xris:

it should pop up a big window full of debug code

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xris:

if you're still getting js errors, it'd be at the top of the source...

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jblake:

xris, its not showing up, still javascript error, and I dont see it in source

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xris:

ok, that's a start

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xris:

remove that, and now before line 129, add: debug($record);exit;

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jblake:

ork, got this

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jblake:

Line #129 in file /web/docs/mythweb/themes/default/tv/recorded.php

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xris:

put the rest of that into a pastebin

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jblake:

debug_window("Array ( [0] => 0 ) <hr> Line #129 in file /web/docs/mythweb/themes/default/tv/recorded.php ");</script><noscript><pre>Array

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xris:

woah

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xris:

empty

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xris:

hmm

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xris:

ok, try this... before line 118: debug($recordings);exit;

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jblake:

where should I see that in the source, I am not seeing it

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xris:

add that before line 118

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Achew22:

does anyone else in here enjoy compiling programs just to watch the screen change?

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jblake:

do i need <?php ... ?>

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jblake:

, ok,,, debug_window("Array ( [offset] => Array ( [0] => 0 ) ) <hr> Line #119 in file /web/docs/mythweb/themes/default/tv/recorded.php ");</script><noscript><pre>Array

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xris:

ok, that tells me that the backend is returning zero recordings on file.

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xris:

that's really weird

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xris:

recordings show up in the frontend?

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jblake:

y, i have like 26 recorded programs.

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jblake:

y

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kormoc:

you don't have two backends?

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Beirdo:

isn't one ass enough?

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Achew22:

you can never have too much ass

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kormoc:

Beirdo, depends on if baby got back or not

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

the master backend should return ALL recordings, regardless of how many slave backends there are. Only thing I can think of is if you're running two backends and somehow one of them has no recordings.

[19:56:28]

Achew22:

woudln't there be a port conflict?

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jblake:

the web server is on a different machine, I am connectcing to a remote backend

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jblake:

the webserver does have a mythbackend running that probably does have no recorded progrs

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xris:

jblake: and all of the other information (schedules, etc is correct?)

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jblake:

y

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jblake:

its like its missing one of the global settings to get to the mythbackend

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xris:

jblake: and db is probably returning that the no-programs backend is the master, which it shouldn't

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xris:

jblake: re-run mythtv-setup on that host and make sure it's pointing to the IP of the master backend.

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jblake:

I am not using the mythbackend on the web server...

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xris:

jblake: right... but the database is telling mythweb that you are

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jblake:

I turned it on becuasd I get this /web/docs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 109:

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xris:

just re-run mythtv-setup so it has the proper IP for the master backend, and then stop the backend on your web box

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jblake:

ok, I will have to try that when I get home, I am telneted to my machine from work..

[20:00:13]

jblake:

xris, Thanks you very much and I will let you know how it goes.

[20:00:18]

xris:

:)

[20:00:20]

xris:

good luck.

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jblake:

thanks

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jblake:

bye

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xris:

w00t, I love being right. heh.

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

cool.. electric guitar + bagpipes....

[20:03:26]

xris:

sucks that this band broke up.

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drdaz:

hmm I'm looking @ the AskAllowRecording function in tv_play... the default option for the prompt seems to not be stored there (I may be mistaken of course). Where would I look to find that?

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drdaz:

default value*

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Anduin:

drdaz – sel?

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imperfect-:

Hey, anyone tell me the best entry level hardware encoding card I can buy?

[20:08:54]

eiggirC:

hauppauge PVR 150

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praet:

i second that

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imperfect-:

eiggirC: that's what I've been looking at

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eiggirC:

imperfect-: or get the 500 if you can

[20:09:14]

eiggirC:

imperfect-: I wish I'd got a pvr500

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imperfect-:

I can't find anyone who sells it locally

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praet:

newegg

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imperfect-:

_locally_ ;)

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drdaz:

Anduin: sel would be the default value?

[20:09:35]

imperfect-:

I want to get a solution together tonight ;)

[20:09:35]

praet:

hehe

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drdaz:

apologies, since I am not au fait with C++

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imperfect-:

I've got a 3.6ghz P4 mcahine with a NVidia 6600GT PCI-Express card w/ component out

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eiggirC:

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:10:02]

eiggirC:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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imperfect-:

did you ldconfig after oyu bult qt-mt ;)

[20:10:26]

eiggirC:

imperfect-: I have a 2 Mb trident PCI card – works great for mythtv :)

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Anduin:

drdaz – Yes, it sets the default to either 0 or 2 based on hasrec.

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imperfect-:

eiggirC: well, I want to output to my HDTV

[20:11:04]

imperfect-:

Can I run the Mythbackend without a encoder card in the box?

[20:11:10]

imperfect-:

to serve my mp3's and videos and such?

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eiggirC:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8240752 2006-02–24 14:07 /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.5

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drdaz:

Anduin: ahh ok... hard to understand why mine is getting set to 3 when I'm watching an in progress recording

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drdaz:

very odd indeed..

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Spida:

anybody had problems with tv_grab_de_tvtoday lately?

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imperfect-:

Has anyone run MythTV headless? with just a video card hooked up to a tv ?

[20:11:44]

xris:

imperfect-: that's not headless

[20:11:52]

imperfect-:

xris: headless in terms of monitor.

[20:11:54]

xris:

headless is "no video card"

[20:11:55]

Spida:

since two weeks I get "Code point u0011 is not a valid character in XML at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/XMLTV.pm line 1754"

[20:12:01]

xris:

yeah, I think most people do

[20:12:12]

drdaz:

Anduin: if I'm watching Live TV it defaults to 1 as I'd expect

[20:12:15]

imperfect-:

How do you get X to not run a WM and just display Myth??

[20:12:26]

xris:

imperfect-: huh? you need a WM

[20:12:36]

imperfect-:

xris: You can't just start myth Full screen ?

[20:12:40]

xris:

you get all kinds of focus problems without one

[20:12:42]

eiggirC:

imperfect-: you run mythfrontend from ~/.xsession

[20:12:43]

Anduin:

drdaz – 2

[20:12:43]

krope32:

any one had the problem where sometimes there is "Tuner 0" in the Device setup and then other times there is just "Tuner" there?

[20:12:45]

Spida:

you don't NEED a wm

[20:12:56]

xris:

Spida: you get tons of focus problems if you don't.

[20:12:58]

imperfect-:

eiggirC: Does it take up the whole screen and stuff?

[20:13:10]

xris:

imperfect-: fullscreen mode is configured in the frontend.

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eiggirC:

imperfect-: yes

[20:13:18]

Spida:

xris: yes. you want a wm, but you don't need

[20:13:27]

Beirdo:

xris: let them find out the hard way if they wanna argue :)

[20:13:31]

xris:

Spida: true enough. "need" for me is "getting all functionality"

[20:13:32]

imperfect-:

xris: I see. so tell me this.. if I have a backend running on another box over wireless, will it stream content effectively?

[20:13:48]

xris:

imperfect-: G, probably, B, probably not fast enough

[20:13:56]

imperfect-:

I've got G

[20:13:59]

Spida:

xris: ok. need for me is "doesn't do anything without"

[20:14:01]

imperfect-:

But it's so damn choppy

[20:14:07]

krope32:

When I try to show video i just get a blank screen for a little while until it jumps back to the frontend, anyone know why it might be doing that?

[20:14:08]

xris:

imperfect-: then depending on the bitrate you record at, you should be ok.

[20:14:10]

imperfect-:

it would seem to me that there would have to be a way to like cache it

[20:14:14]

xris:

imperfect-: then you just answered your question.

[20:14:20]

Spida:

so.... anybody here using tv_grab_de_tvtoday ?

[20:14:37]

imperfect-:

xris: I assumed there was just some sort of cache I needed

[20:14:41]

imperfect-:

I mean, I try to play over SMB

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imperfect-:

which i bet doesn't cache at all

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drdaz:

Anduin: I can see that's what it says there... but for one reason or another, if I'm watching a scheduled recording and another recording is scheduled immediately after, when the dialog comes up, "Dont let it record..." is selected. I have to manually change it to get the show to record...

[20:15:00]

imperfect-:

but I'm wondering if myth actually uses a streaming technology and thus removes the choppiness.

[20:15:14]

xris:

imperfect-: nope, it just plays the stream

[20:15:14]

imperfect-:

I mean I can get 2megabytes a second across the wireless

[20:15:19]

xris:

no buffer

[20:15:29]

xris:

imperfect-: turn down your recording bitrate

[20:15:32]

imperfect-:

You'd think it would be able to buffer 1 minute of show or something

[20:15:42]

imperfect-:

xris; this is stuff I'm not recording myself

[20:15:46]

imperfect-:

xris: and mp3's and stuff

[20:15:50]

drdaz:

Anduin: I assume that is option is '3'

[20:15:55]

krope32:

Hey i was wondering if anyone could help me through a problem with my myth playing live tv

[20:16:04]

krope32:

or not playing

[20:16:18]

xris:

imperfect-: could put up a feature request for buffered playback... might get done someday

[20:16:25]

Anduin:

drdaz – Counting starts at 0, and the behavior is intentional if you are behind LiveTV I believe.

[20:17:36]

imperfect-:

I guess i"ll go pickup a PVR-150

[20:18:01]

imperfect-:

The only problem is Linux doesn't seem to like HDTV output

[20:18:07]

imperfect-:

When I've got an LCD plugged in as well

[20:18:23]

imperfect-:

What distro is best for this?

[20:18:41]

imperfect-:

what I'd like to do is have my LCD plugged in and the TV plugged in

[20:18:48]

imperfect-:

and then have myth run fullscreen on the TV display

[20:18:55]

imperfect-:

and leave my desktop on the LCD intact

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xris:

imperfect-: huh?

[20:19:08]

xris:

why would linux care about hdtv output?

[20:19:16]

drdaz:

Anduin: ahh ok... further down the code I see http://pastebin.com/607961

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xris:

wait, you're streaming HD over wireless? that just won't work.

[20:19:23]

imperfect-:

xris: It breaks ;)

[20:19:31]

imperfect-:

no I'm not

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xris:

imperfect-: breaks how? what video card do you have? how are you connecting to the tv?

[20:19:37]

imperfect-:

I'm using my HDTV as output

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drdaz:

Anduin: that's what threw me I think..

[20:19:41]

imperfect-:

to watch TV on and stuff

[20:19:56]

imperfect-:

xris: Nvidia 6600GT, coponent out

[20:20:23]

krope32:

can i get a little help with a problem?

[20:21:02]

xris:

imperfect-: I wonder if that component is HD or not...

[20:21:30]

imperfect-:

xris: not composite

[20:21:35]

imperfect-:

xris: component ;)

[20:21:35]

xris:

you'll probably have to dig around for X config options... I recommend running `X -configure` with the tv connected

[20:21:38]

xris:

imperfect-: component != hd

[20:21:46]

xris:

component *can be* hd

[20:21:48]

imperfect-:

imperfect-: it does 1900x1080...

[20:22:00]

imperfect-:

Well this component _is_ and _does_

[20:22:28]

xris:

imperfect-: apparently not, since you said it's not working. the card very well could be downsampling (but you'd know more than me since it's your card)

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drdaz:

Anduin: the thing is that in this case, I was 'current' with LiveTV... IIRC in 0.18 no prompt was issued in this situation

[20:23:00]

drdaz:

certainly no action was necessary

[20:23:12]

krope32:

My problem is that in the devices setup I only get the Option to choose "Tuner 0" for my PVR-150 and video doesnt show but for some reason I had "Tuner" listed before and the video showed just fine. Has anyone ever seen anything like that before?

[20:23:33]

Anduin:

drdaz – Yeah, I actually never use LiveTV enough to notice if it changed, just remember reading something about in on -dev.

[20:23:50]

xris:

anyway, the X -configure stuff should detect your tv and the component plug, as long as the video card drivers are set up correctly.

[20:24:05]

ftp3:

I am getting this error: libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO). when i try and run mplayer..knoppmyth distro.. has anyone else seen this?

[20:24:18]

drdaz:

Anduin: ahh ok... it was changed recently then... I'll go sniff around the dev archive

[20:24:38]

ftp3:

I believe the problem is with my mplayer install not the dvd since I have tried several commercial dvds

[20:25:39]

Dibblah:

Must try not reacting badly to people that don't read the ticket howto sometime.

[20:26:39]

imperfect-:

xris: I use it w/ windows all the time.

[20:26:45]

krope32:

Hey, Linux is detecting a PVR-250 but I have a 150. How can i get linux to recognize that

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Dibblah:

get the latest ivtv drivers. Reboot with a cold power-off. Pray.

[20:27:17]

xris:

imperfect-: thus, your linux configuration may not be set up properly.. Are you using the nvidia drivers?

[20:27:22]

xris:

afk, lunch

[20:27:24]

imperfect-:

xris: yes.

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imperfect-:

xris: latest

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drdaz:

Anduin: hasrec would indicate whether the system is currently recording?

[20:33:22]

Anduin:

drdaz – it is determined by pseudoLiveTVRecording over in tv_rec.cpp

[20:35:05]

drdaz:

Anduin: under a different name I presume?

[20:36:06]

drdaz:

ahh nm :)

[20:36:08]

drdaz:

I see now

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drdaz:

Anduin: I'm just thinking... wouldnt it be a reasonable idea to run a check on the current LiveTV channel and if it's the same as the channel of a pending recording, not fire off the prompt?

[20:44:26]

drdaz:

there's probably a very good reason somebody hasn't already done this :p

[20:44:46]

armand:

maybe because if its recording the show, most people would want ot start from the beginning. not in the middle of it

[20:45:35]

drdaz:

armand: I'm not sure I follow..

[20:46:23]

drdaz:

LiveTV splits recordings per programme as it is and doesnt bodge anything while watching

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Anduin:

drdaz – I hate that part of the code and avoid it.

[20:48:03]

drdaz:

lol :p ok

[20:48:29]

drdaz:

out of curiosity, what do you fiddle with?

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Anduin:

drdaz – Nothing, I just watch TV, and not LiveTV.

[20:49:42]

drdaz:

oh I meant in the code.. I understood you help develop myth?

[20:49:55]

Anduin:

drdaz – Nope.

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drdaz:

heh my bad :)

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drdaz:

thx for the pointers tho

[20:53:39]

Filip:

Does anyone here have a separate frontend on Gentoo working?

[20:53:49]

Filip:

I don't understand how to access the mysql database

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kormoc:

Filip, I have before, what's the issue?

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Filip:

I tell mythtv-setup to access the database not on localhost but on 192.168.1.1. But access is denied both on the backend/frontend and frontend machine. I did tell mysql to grant user mythtv@"192.168.1.%" all the necessary privileges

[20:58:00]

Filip:

Does gentoo somehow disable network mysql by default?

[20:58:05]

kormoc:

Filip, did you edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and enable remote access to the mysql server?

[20:58:11]

kormoc:

Filip, yes, it does

[20:58:24]

Filip:

one sec

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Filip:

that's one very interesting file. Never seen it before

[21:00:04]

Filip:

I don't mind reading some more, but do you by chance know what ewxactly to edit there?

[21:00:29]

kormoc:

there's a line like

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kormoc:

skip-networking

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kormoc:

and

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Filip:

yes, it's commented

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kormoc:

bind-address = 127.0.0.1

[21:00:53]

Filip:

yes, that one isn't

[21:00:54]

kormoc:

both of them need to be commented out

[21:01:01]

Filip:

trying now, thanks

[21:01:04]

kormoc:

np

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krope32:

So my problem is that ivtv recognizeses my pvr-150 on a hard reboot but it thinks it is a pvr-250 on a soft reboot, any idea what might be causing that?

[21:01:43]

krope32:

Or any way that I can force it to recognize a 150

[21:01:58]

drdaz:

anybody got any idea why bookmarks in my recordings arent working atm?

[21:02:09]

drdaz:

0.19-fixes...

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kormoc:

krope32, cardtype=6 in your module options

[21:03:43]

krope32:

i'll try that

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Filip:

kormoc: That worked brilliantly. I'm going to add your tip to the gentoo mythtv wiki immediately!

[21:04:30]

kormoc:

yay! glad to hear it

[21:05:13]

Juski:

was that not already in the gentoo wiki? blimey

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Juski:

I wonder how I ever managed to get myth going on gentoo then

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Filip:

kormoc: I'm ashamed to say it was already in there...

[21:06:23]

Juski:

read, read & read again ;-)

[21:06:36]

Juski:

anyway – time to watch some mythtv

[21:07:21]

Beirdo:

should go deface the gentoo wiki to say "Abandon all hope ye who enter here!"

[21:07:25]

Filip:

Juski: yeah, but those pages are a real mess. I've posted some discussion on that, because I'd really like to (see them cleaned up/clean them up)

[21:07:44]

Filip:

Actually, myth on gentoo has become quite easy compared to 0.16 and 0.17

[21:07:58]

dtm:

Beirdo: ^_^

[21:07:59]

Filip:

I was amazed at how much of the defaults worked for me

[21:08:17]

Filip:

ivit was real easy compared to the hoops you had to jump through before

[21:08:33]

Beirdo:

over 75% of the people who come here with crazy-ass questions are gentooers

[21:09:06]

sona:

that's wierd

[21:09:31]

sona:

emerge mythtv, create the database and ur done

[21:10:43]

kormoc:

Beirdo, that's not quite true. There's a ton of ubuntu/debian/fedora nuts as well

[21:11:01]

Beirdo:

heh

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Filip:

the question of course is, what distros do the users use

[21:11:04]

Beirdo:

if you say so :)

[21:11:11]

Filip:

if it's 75% gentoo, then I'm not surprised

[21:11:51]

Beirdo:

gentoo STILL has a higher dumbass quotient than most other distros, I think

[21:12:06]

** kormoc hrms on that one **

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** kormoc ponders making a distro dumbass counter **

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Filip:

sjees, now I don't dare ask my next stupid question anymore

[21:15:18]

Beirdo:

go for it

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jams:

dang 4 hours wasted because the powersupply came shipped with 230V selected instead of 115

[21:15:27]

Beirdo:

I'm just grumpy and tired

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Filip:

yay, solved it myself!

[21:16:32]

Filip:

just in time too

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Filip:

I had a second soundcard, so I had to change /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1, but I thought it was going to be something like hw:1,0 or ALSA:1,0

[21:20:55]

RaYmAn-Bx:

jams: be happy it wasn't the other way! A friend of mine managed to fry his mobo by setting the switch to 110V...the psu wasn't even plugged in :P

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dtm:

why is mythfrontend trying to take all my cpu while sitting there idly at a menu?

[21:24:18]

kormoc:

dtm, are you using a nvidia card?

[21:24:27]

kormoc:

ooh, wait, at a ment?

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** kormoc blinks **

[21:25:14]

dtm:

kormoc: yeah i am. geforce 4 440MX AGP

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kormoc:

dtm, 8xxx drivers?

[21:25:31]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Anyone know what is required to change to a different xmltv source? (hence with different channelid's etc)..Just wipe the channel table?

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** xris kicks imagemagick **

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** MythLogBot slaps imagemagick with a trout on behalf of xris... **

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dtm:

kormoc: i dont know what that means. i'm using the nvidia.com drivers

[21:26:15]

kormoc:

dtm, what version of the drivers?

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Filip:

RaYmAn-Bx: yes, wipe the config from ~/.xmltv, symbolically link the new tv_grab_* to the old one (back the old one up first), run tv_grab_* --configure, and get all your ID's straight again. Unless you don't use tv_grab_*, in which case I have no idea

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dtm:

kormoc: 1.0.8178 i think

[21:28:26]

dtm:

kormoc: i could update them. but nothing's moving and it's on another virtual desktop.

[21:28:59]

kormoc:

dtm, there's a known bug with those drivers and mythfrontend's opengl timing method

[21:29:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Filip: I was more thinking database wise...i.e. making sure I don't completely screw up my mythbox by deleting to little or too much

[21:30:07]

dtm:

kormoc: :-o

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Filip:

RaYmAn-Bx: What I just described to you, I did once today and twice yesterday. Get some more opinions, but I think it should work

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Filip:

RaYmAn-Bx: Run mythfilldatabase afterwards though, otherwise your data isn't updated

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Filip: okay..I guess I was just expexting things to mess up due to the different channel ids...I guess I'd have to modify all the id's in the db then

[21:33:35]

Filip:

That's how I did it

[21:33:49]

Filip:

but do get some more opinions, especially if you're in doubt

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Filip:

But the xmlid's are not used in the database, they're only used to get the guide info in the right place, as far as I know

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weirdo:

Greetings, I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a problem with UI elements (specifically in my case the clip information in the MythVideo screens) being offset from the background.

[21:51:29]

weirdo:

I read the FAQ and did some google searching with minimal success

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Anduin:

weirdo – bad DPI settings and/or bad fonts can cause that

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weirdo:

Thanks, let me google around a bit and see if I can find a solution.

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krope32:

hey what do i need to do to config mythweb, it is already installed but i cant navigate to it over my network

[22:13:11]

krope32:

i get a 404 error

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eiggirC:

YAYAYAY progress!

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eiggirC:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm

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thebrasse:

Hello! I am trying to compile mythtv, but the configure script keeps telling me that DVD playback won't be compiled in. Can someone tell me what libs I need in order for DVD playback to be compiled in?

[22:19:13]

eiggirC:

thebrasse: try ./configure --help ?

[22:20:31]

thebrasse:

eiggircC: as far as I can see I can only disable dvd playback...

[22:20:40]

eiggirC:

hmmm

[22:20:49]

eiggirC:

sorry – I don't even own a DVD player

[22:21:20]

kormoc:

thebrasse, dvdread/dvdnav iirc

[22:21:23]

krope32:

how do i config mythweb to work?

[22:21:29]

krope32:

i just get a 404 error?

[22:21:41]

kormoc:

krope32, well, you'd need to install it to the path you're tring to access...

[22:21:49]

krope32:

ok

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krope32:

actualy, i should probably check to see if apache is running

[22:22:22]

krope32:

i have it installed to the path already

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kormoc:

if you get a 404, then apache's running, if it's timed out, then apache's not running

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krope32:

ok

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krope32:

good to know

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kormoc:

krope32, no you didn't. a 404 is file not found, so obviously it's not there

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thebrasse:

kormoc, thanks! that solved my problem!

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krope32:

actually, i dont get a 404, i just dodnt look close enough with it failed to load

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kormoc:

your welcome

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krope32:

apache is probably not running

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krope32:

how can i check to see if it is even installed

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kormoc:

krope32, you should likely read up on your distro a bit

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krope32:

i thought i had it installed

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drdaz:

anybody know of a good way of limiting the speed of your optical drive under linux?

[22:33:10]

drdaz:

mine screams all the way to max speed when watching DVDs... far from ideal

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dtm:

drdaz: why is this an issue?

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drdaz:

its noisy as hell

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drdaz:

it doesnt do it when playing purchased DVDs... it stays quiet then

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drdaz:

but anything that isnt professionally pressed...

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drdaz:

vrrrrrroooooom

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eiggirC:

hdparm might have something?

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drdaz:

tried it.. had no effect

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drdaz:

allegedly AnyDVD can do this sort of thing in windoze

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drdaz:

so it should be possible from software

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eiggirC:

About how long should a mythtv compile take? on a P3 866 ?

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dtm:

eiggirC: just about all the way clear til it's done, and then just a little bit more

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kormoc:

eiggirC, a few hours perhaps

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eiggirC:

dtm: how long in fathoms per fortnight ?

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kormoc:

eiggirC, no more then a day

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eiggirC:

kormoc: okay thanks – its not a all-day thing?

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eiggirC:

:)

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dtm:

takes only 7 hrs on a 233 MHz G3!

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dtm:

why bother asking?

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eiggirC:

dtm: cos there's no progress bar in the compiler :-P

[22:53:51]

dtm:

sure there is. it's stdout. as long as there is stdout with no controlling tty, it's not done yet.

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Juski:

on my athlon 800 it takes about 90 minutes to compile mythtv

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dtm:

that's the progress: "not done yet"

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eiggirC:

dtm: smartypants

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dtm:

then, and you have to watch very carefully for this, the stdout ceases and your controlling tty returns. that's how you know that the status has changed to "done!"

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dtm:

and there is nothing else one could possibly need to know about it

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eiggirC:

dtm: thanks for that

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dtm:

kthx

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eiggirC:

make: *** [sub-programs] Error 2

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eiggirC:

does that mean its done now ? (innocent)

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kormoc:

sure does!

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eiggirC:

awww poohs.

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kormoc:

the compile is done, but it might not work :P

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eiggirC:

../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.19.so: undefined reference to `XVMC_pack_pblocks'

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xris:

f'ing icq spammer

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krope32:

ok, so i got have apache running and all now my problem is a database setup error when i try to run mythweb

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krope32:

any ideas on how to fix that

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kormoc:

krope32, read the readme and follow it's directions

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** xris smacks kormoc with the apostraphe trout **

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** xris smacks himself with the spelling trout **

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eiggirC:

greengrocer's apostrophe

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Juski:

if we all had a beer for every time we've seen that Q since 0.19 was released.. we'd all be waiting for liver transplants

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xris:

Juski: yeah. and here I thought I was making it easier on people to have fewer places to look for config options.

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xris:

I think the main problem is that people upgrade their installations but put their old .htaccess back in.

[23:03:44]

Juski:

it'll just take a while for people to get used to the change, is all

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kormoc:

actually, in this case, the gentleman hasn't ever had it setup and hasn't read anything about setting it up

[23:04:17]

xris:

Juski: well, the updated readme in the fixes branch will help a bit, too.

[23:04:17]

Juski:

I got very angry when I upgraded apache2 on Gentoo a while back because they'd changed it to the 'normal' config method

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xris:

.19.1 will probably be released next week

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eiggirC:

xris: nice – now my present install will be guaranteed to work :)

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xris:

eiggirC: are you compiling from source, or using packages?

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eiggirC:

xris: from source

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Juski:

.19.1 ? ooo nice. Pending the DVB stuff being repaired, I hope...

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Juski:

that said, 0.19 works just fine here with DVB-T.. I guess I got off lightly

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xris:

eiggirC: you should just grab the fixes branch from svn, then... always be up to date

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xris:

Juski: I've not had issues with it for a long time.. but I run svn and upgrade every few weeks

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eiggirC:

my wife is not talking to me till I get it working again

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eiggirC:

:-(

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Juski:

xris: I've not had issues with it, to speak of – but a few people I know are having problems – big ones at that

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xris:

eiggirC: ouch

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xris:

mine's pretty calm about it. mythfrontend isn't even running half the time, but she knows how to run it from the terminal window I leave open

[23:13:36]

xris:

I really need to get mythvideo running better so I don't have to use xine on the commandline anymore

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Juski:

press the up arrow key then enter ;-)

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kormoc:

xris, the internal player is quite nice

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kormoc:

I just wish mythvideo was a bit better

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xris:

kormoc: well, my main issue is that the browser never shows my videos... I have to go into tree mode and then I can sometimes find them, but since half are in directories, I don't know how to get it to play the directory rather than an individual file

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ftp3:

hey... i can see dvds on mplayer, but i get no sound.. has anyone else experienced this?

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kormoc:

ftp3, fix your mplayer's audio settings

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kormoc:

xris, yeah, I understand

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** xris kicks the stupid icq spammer **

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ftp3:

kormoc... am i warm looking at this output: mplayer -ao help

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kormoc:

ftp3, run gmplayer and right click, under options or prefs or what not, select the audio tab and configure it

[23:25:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

anyone know if there is a limit to the length of "short names" in myth?

[23:26:22]

ftp3:

i do not have an option for gmplayer.. under: Apps -> Viewers -> I have MPlayer.. when I click it, nothing happens.. I have to run mplayer from a terminal for it to work

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kormoc:

ftp3, try just running gmplayer from a term

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xris:

ftp3: what distro?

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xris:

it's often a separate package

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ftp3:

knoppmyth

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ftp3:

i typed gmplayer from the xterm and it gave command line output.. options, etc

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

ftp3, well, obviously it's not compiled in...

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ftp3:

lmao, i see now, mplayer was compiled with no

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ftp3:

heh

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ftp3:

i was just typing that

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kormoc:

xris, you see, gmplayer is just normally a symlink to mplayer, and it just goes off of the command name to launch a gui or not

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xris:

ah

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** kormoc is annoyed with knoppmyth for not compiling that in. **

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xris:

kormoc: so it is. nice

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ftp3:

so, i uninstall mplayer?

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ftp3:

or apt force reinstall?

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kormoc:

ftp3, nah, you'll just need to figure out how to do it via the command line

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phar0e:

Juski: what happened last night with the Scotland yard?

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grant:

Hey, so is there a way to see the exact fps I'm getting on playback?

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ftp3:

well, i looked at mplayers output from the command.. it appears it was not compiled correctly anyway: http://pastebin.com/608294

[23:31:49]

grant:

I feel like I'm dropping frames.. it's real noticable during fast-paced action like a sports game

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kormoc:

ftp3, runtime cpu detection is very common for general distros that run on a lot of different hardware

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ftp3:

kormoc, i see... so does that output look like what I am looking for?

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kormoc:

ftp3, sure

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Juski:

phar0e: nothing happenned. still waiting for our rozzers to pop round & pay me a visit (as expected)

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ftp3:

kormoc. ok, i will just start trying them :-)

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phar0e:

Juski: that's too bad

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Juski:

yeh yeh

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Juski:

oh fuck. the bad bwoi is on the prowl wit his homies :-o

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Juski:

watching cctv is bad for you, I'm sure of it

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xris:

Juski: I think I need a better camera plugged into my server. all I ever get a pictures of me getting stuff out of my garage.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mmead:

anyone know how to specify the xv port?

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kormoc:

mmead, you don't

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mmead:

my fx5200 cannot scale 1080i with the default scaler

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mmead:

but the blitter can

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kormoc:

mmead, the code needs to request that

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mmead:

mplayer -vo xv:port=245 works perfectly

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mmead:

but the overlay fails to scale

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mmead:

I have played with mplayer sw prescaling – it seems to stop working about 1600x

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mmead:

1080i is 1920x

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** kormoc would assume that's cause the blitter can't scale. **

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mmead:

and it chops the right half of the picture

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kormoc:

mmead, that's cool that mplayer allows args for the xv port

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kormoc:

mmead, have you tried xvmc?

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mmead:

kormoc: yes, but not getting any difference

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mmead:

I have used it in the past with great success to get HD to play on underpowered systems

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kormoc:

odd

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mmead:

but can't get it all hooked up properly on this deb amd64

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xris:

mmead: what gpu?

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kormoc:

xris, 5200

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mmead:

kormoc: nv fx5200

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xris:

ah

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xris:

damn, thought I could bitch about ati again. heh

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kormoc:

hehe

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mmead:

I think the blitter should scale

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kormoc:

mmead, what drivers?

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mmead:

afterall, it's designed to scale textures

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mmead:

it outta do 30–60 textures / second, no?

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mmead:

kormoc: nv 8178

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mmead:

kormoc: I could see it being a problem because the blitter isn't synchronized to the vsync

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kormoc:

mmead, my understanding was the blitter was just basically a memory copy that could do operations on the memory, but not enlarge or shrink it

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mmead:

kormoc: ahh

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mmead:

kormoc: I'm unsure, obviously :)

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kormoc:

mmead, and I do beleive that the video you're using is likely under 30 fps

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mmead:

kormoc: when I build myth, should it have decided to link against -lXvMCNVIDIA?

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mmead:

kormoc: 29.97 :)

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kormoc:

mmead, well, did it link to any XvMc libs?

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mmead:

kormoc: yes

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mmead:

ldd /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend | grep -i xvmc

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mmead:

libXvMCW.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCW.so.1 (0x00002aaaad057000)

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mmead:

libXvMC.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMC.so.1 (0x00002aaaad15b000)

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mmead:

kormoc: so I think it doesn't use it

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kormoc:

mmead, same with mine, that's fine

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mmead:

| UseXVMC | 1 | mythbox |

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kormoc:

mmead, the X11 libs will forward to the driver specific ones, in this case the nvidia ones

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mmead:

let me try

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mmead:

kormoc: should I use standard xvmc?

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mmead:

with bob 2x

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