Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 16th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Moe_:

any one from brisbane here? (Aussies)

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dscoular`:

I know this channel is logged at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2006-03-15 but is the developer channel (#mythtv) archived anywhere ?

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mac^:

hi, I am (still) getting very high cpu usage on my via epia board on livetv.. is there any where I can check if it uses xvmc?

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xris:

mac^: did you compile with xvmc enabled?

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xris:

I don't think any official packages enable the xvmc-vld stuff used by the epias

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mac^:

xris: yes, indeed. That is why it is so puzzling

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mac^:

I compiled it myself, took hours :)

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dscoular`:

Have you tried "mythfrontend --verbose all" or "mythfrontend --verbose playback"

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mac^:

Will it tell there? Ok

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xris:

then make sure that it's enabled for output... I vaguely remember playing with that on my setup in the frontend settings.

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dscoular`:

Suck it and see methinks

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mac^:

looking for playback settings, thanks

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mac^:

Thanks!!

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mac^:

That did it, I have no more choppy video

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mac^:

cpu usage=~40% now.. no more 90%

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dscoular`:

Sweet... now back to my question...

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dscoular`:

Is there an archive for the #mythtv developers channel ?

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mac^:

Sorry, dunno.. only know about the mailing lists

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dscoular`:

Ah... no worries.

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Syphn:

anyknow know if I can display filename and or ID3 tag info while using visulizations in mythmusic?

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ftp4:

hey. ok, so I have mythtv running now.. but when i try and watch tv, it says "mythtv is already using all available inputs for recording" blah blah

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ftp4:

i'm using the wintv pvr 350

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xris:

ftp4: .19?

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ftp4:

how can i tell which version. I used knoppmyth

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ftp4:

r5a30.2

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xris:

dpkg -l mythtv

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ftp4:

0.18.3-svn-2_km_i586

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xris:

ok, looks like knopmyth hasn't updated to .19 yet...

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xris:

have you rebooted recently?

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ftp4:

i JUST installed it

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ftp4:

so, yeah

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xris:

did you set up the capture card in mythtv-setup?

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ftp4:

i used the script they suggest... i didnt know i needed to do more than that

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xris:

yeah, you still need to configure your listings provider, preferred card input, etc.

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xris:

run mythtv-setup and look at the options there.

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ftp4:

ok

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ftp4:

what user do i run mythtv-setup as? root or mythtv?

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ftp4:

will mythtv (knoppmyth) work with usb wireless lan?

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kormoc:

ftp4, it can, if it's fast enough

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ftp4:

50mbs...

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xris:

ftp4: either user will work

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xris:

ftp4: "fast enough" depends on your recording settings...

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kormoc:

ftp4, my 802.11 g gets real world performance of about 5.3 megabits per second

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kormoc:

(680 kilobytes per second)

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xris:

50mbps LAN minus about 30–40% overhead means your recordings shouldn't be more than 30mbps

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ftp4:

thanks xris, now i need to finger out how to fix the video on the tv.. its to big for the screen

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xris:

ftp4: overscan/underscan

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ftp4:

i see

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** Beirdo watches the World Baseball Classic quarter finals **

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Beirdo:

Cuba at Puerto Rico... 1–1 top of the 4th

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Beirdo:

make that 2–1 Cuba.

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Beirdo:

nailed the batter in the ass with the pitch

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Beirdo:

with bases loaded

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Beirdo:

4–1 Cuba

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Beirdo:

well, I hope that Cuba smokes the USA after this if they win :)

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bio_:

02:20 < kormoc> ftp4, my 802.11 g gets real world performance of about 5.3 megabits per second

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bio_:

such a bad signal?

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bio_:

630KB/s is what i get with b

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bio_:

damn, left

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ip_goat_rodeo:

its very situation dependent, nearby APs, what channel's are in use nearby, etc.

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bio_:

yeah, thats what i meant with bad signal :)

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pac1:

I'm watching live tv in myth and there's this annoying flicker. What causes this?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

with g you really only have room for 3 channels without collisions

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bio_:

what channel you use can be influenced by yourself i suppose

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ip_goat_rodeo:

since most APs come preset at 11, moving to lowest number channel can help.

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ip_goat_rodeo:

get as far away from default-setting access points as you can

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bio_:

:)

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Moe_:

any one from brisbane here? (Aussies)

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ftp4:

when i installed knoppmyth, i screwed up and said i had the grey hauppauge remote when i have the silver.. is there a easy way to fix that?

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jams:

i think you would need to run lirc_config.sh

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jams:

or something close to that

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ftp4:

thanks

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Anduin:

ftp4 – I think they have their own whole channel as well.

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

Fidel's son is the team doctor for the Cuba team :)

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ftp4:

ok, i almost have everything working 100%. how do I fix the size of the mythtv menus on the screen? everything is a little to big, so i cannot see the top of the web browser, etc

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Moe_:

has anyone tried a MSI Digital@nywhere DVB-T card with mythtv?

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pac1:

Does anyone actually have mythtv working to record, playback and view live tv without flickering?

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Anduin:

pac1 – Flickering?

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pac1:

yeah. TV shows in window, but there's this annoying flicker.

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pac1:

also getting messages like 2006-03–15 21:38:28.900 rebuffering (4161 32768)

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pac1:

trying other X drivers

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bronson:

Trying to rip a DVD... I get "Cannot connect to your Myth transcoding daemon ... hit any number to start it..."

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bronson:

I mash on numbers but that dialog never goes away.

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bronson:

I was able to transcode last week.

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bronson:

How can I figure out what's going wrong?

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bronson:

Ah, found it.

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bronson:

It's called mtd.

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cout:

how can I tell whether mythtv is recording?

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Xhavier_5478:

it will tell you in the backend status screen

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cout:

where's that?

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Xhavier_5478:

are you in the mythfrontend?

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cout:

yes

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Xhavier_5478:

well if you click watch live tv

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Xhavier_5478:

it should tell you that it is recording and you don't want to interupt

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Xhavier_5478:

if it is infact

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cout:

that's what I would expect. It didn't, though. :(

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Xhavier_5478:

you could go to previously recorded programs

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cout:

the programs do show up there, but the file does not exist

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Xhavier_5478:

hmmm

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Xhavier_5478:

i just use the mythweb interfacce, so I haven't spent much time in the linux frontend

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cout:

does the backend keep a log file?

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Xhavier_5478:

not sure

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cout:

I have to fix mythweb too. somehow I have the wrong version installed.

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Xhavier_5478:

how did you build it?

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Xhavier_5478:

such as from scratch or binaries?

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cout:

yes

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Xhavier_5478:

ok

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cout:

(both, which is the problem)

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Xhavier_5478:

alright

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cout:

that I'm fairly certain I can fix on my own, though

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Xhavier_5478:

good luck with it

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cout:

any ideas on how to deal with choppy audio?

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Xhavier_5478:

on live or recorded?

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cout:

I want to find out if it happens on recorded, but I can't record :)

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Xhavier_5478:

alright, whats your card?

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cout:

pvr 150

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Xhavier_5478:

ok

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Xhavier_5478:

are you using AlSA?

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cout:

I'm not sure.

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cout:

oh, I know why I can't record

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cout:

2006-03–15 22:00:03.011 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Television on card when setting channel 36

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Xhavier_5478:

yeah that could be an issue

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cout:

funny that live works

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Xhavier_5478:

can you change the channel in Live tv?

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cout:

yes

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cout:

I think it has something to do with previously having had an older hauppauge card in the box before this one

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Xhavier_5478:

when you went into Mythtv-setup did you delete all old cards?

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cout:

no, I just changed the type of the existing one

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Xhavier_5478:

hmmm, i would have deleted the old one, and then added the new

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cout:

hmm, now I've deleted it, but I can't change the card type in mythtv-setup

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cout:

nm, got it

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Xhavier_5478:

hmm

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cout:

I think this problem will be better solved after I fill myself with lots of sugar.

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ftp4:

has anyone here connected a wireless kb and mouse to their mythtv?

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Beirdo:

of course

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Cardoe:

Beirdo: what distro you on right now?

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Cardoe:

hi btw

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Cardoe:

;)

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ftp4:

heh ;-) well, i was just wondering how you did it. since its not working for me

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Beirdo:

which machine?

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Cardoe:

just need some samples of what filesystem /var/run is on

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Cardoe:

a user is insisting that /var/run is tmpfs on all other distro

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Beirdo:

it isn't in ubuntu

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Beirdo:

or FC1

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Beirdo:

shite

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Beirdo:

4–3 Cuba

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Beirdo:

so the Cuban team's goin to San Diego :)

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Beirdo:

wanna count the defectors?

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Beirdo:

ftp4, plug it in, follow the syncronization directions that come with the keyboard/mouse, and it should just work

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Beirdo:

there's nothing to it

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Beirdo:

now cut to Japan vs Korea

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Beirdo:

0–0

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Beirdo:

in the bottom of the 4th

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hello everybody... Anybody here using mythstreamtv with .19? I've got it working fine, just want to resolve the "!!NoTrans: StreamTV!!" weirdness on the 'main' page. Any tips?

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ftp4:

beirdo, so i do that, then unplug my kb/mouse and it should work?

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Beirdo:

if it's USB, you shouldn't even need to unplug the other

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ftp4:

beirdo, ok, i will try again

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ftp4:

beirdo, holy crap, i must be so tired.. i had batteries in wrong!

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Beirdo:

OK, step one, power it right :)

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Beirdo:

2006-Mar-15 23:17:54.006479 Would Excess Flood: (NOTICE dopester :This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Beirdo:

)

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

!help

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MythLogBot:

Use "help" followed by a bot command. For a list of bot commands, use "list"

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Beirdo:

that's what I thought

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xris:

oops

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Beirdo:

still is saying it's excess flooding

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xris:

more overflows?

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xris:

oh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm :-/ — no ideas? Trying to resolve 'mythstreamtv' addin issue on welcome screen — displays as "!!NoTrans: StreamTV!!" — works fine, just looks strainge...

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Beirdo:

2006-Mar-15 23:19:53.753038 Would Excess Flood: (PRIVMSG #mythtv-users :Use "help" followed by a bot command. For a list of bot commands, use "list"

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Beirdo:

)

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A, you won't get an answer until you ask

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Beirdo:

that means it's missing a translation

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J-e-f-f-A:

I did... about 5 mins ago... Sorry, not trying to be rude at all, just puzzled. "<J-e-f-f-A> Hello everybody... Anybody here using mythstreamtv with .19? I've got it working fine, just want to resolve the "!!NoTrans: StreamTV!!" weirdness on the 'main' page. Any tips?"

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: languages/build_translation.pl

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xris:

just run it. it'll create the necessary translation entries

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Thanks. Is this a 'php' thing? I'm well versed in html, but php is new to me.

[04:23:27]

xris:

no, it's a mythweb thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Excellent! That did it! ;-) Thanks.

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xris:

:)

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xris:

that script is why I wrote my own instead of using something built into php like gettext

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J-e-f-f-A:

Can you point me in the right direction to learn how to create 'patch' files to help contribute to MythTV/MythWeb?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

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defaultro:

hi xris

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Excellent... Thanks.

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: and http://svn.mythtv.org/

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dscoular`:

Beirdo: any chance of archiving #mythtv instead of just #mythtv-users ?

[04:38:08]

Beirdo:

no

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dscoular`:

Ok... clear enough ;)

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Beirdo:

sorry, but at this point that's politically not possible

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dscoular`:

Erm... why not ?

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Beirdo:

because

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dscoular`:

It's a public discussion isn't it ?

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xris:

dscoular`: not when the one in charge of the channel says he doesn't want it logged

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dscoular`:

Ah... sorry I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to irc.

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Beirdo:

if you wanna log it, you go face Isaac's wrath :)

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Beirdo:

I won't be doing it

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xris:

Beirdo: not until the bot can run in complete silence, anyway. heh

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Beirdo:

heh

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dscoular`:

;)

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Beirdo:

which it can if I could be arsed to tell it to do so in a particular channel

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xris:

yes

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OmegaEvil:

hey all, can anybody point me in the right direction on a permission denied problem with a dvb card...mythtv says could not open card permission denied...

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dscoular`:

Ah... no if Isaac has deemed it unlogged then that's good enough for me

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OmegaEvil:

however i chmoded the dvb node in /dev

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OmegaEvil:

still nothing

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dscoular`:

Does the /dev/dvb/adapterX directory exist and have files in it ?

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OmegaEvil:

let me check

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OmegaEvil:

ohh doh

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OmegaEvil:

lolol

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OmegaEvil:

yes

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** OmegaEvil checks permissions on the nodes **

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OmegaEvil:

lol..idiot

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OmegaEvil:

k lets see

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OmegaEvil:

;-D

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xris:

I was already +v

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Beirdo:

not according to my dumb client

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xris:

ah

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Beirdo:

!trout irssi

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** MythLogBot slaps irssi with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

you still aren't according to it

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Beirdo:

dumbass irssi

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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xris:

heh

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Beirdo:

it gets itself into funky moods sometimes

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Beirdo:

OK, testing time

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OmegaEvil:

dscoular`, thanks mate

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dscoular`:

Anytime

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OmegaEvil:

its almost 5am here and i (idiot) didnt realise it was a dir lolol

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** OmegaEvil shakes his head **

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dscoular`:

Depends if you have a working udev or not

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OmegaEvil:

yah

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OmegaEvil:

i just looked and assumed a single node

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OmegaEvil:

early morning stupidity

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OmegaEvil:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, any 'uPNP media player' users here? Maybe even "Pinnacle Show Center 1000" users?

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Beirdo:

Argh

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Beirdo:

why oh why?

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Beirdo:

it's not logging everything I told it to during shutdown

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Beirdo:

I'm sure I missed something obvious

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J-e-f-f-A:

(btw: Using Pinnacle SC1000 w/mythtv... )

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J-e-f-f-A:

help

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops... meant to use irc help

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OmegaEvil:

hmmm now i get an error parsing parameters when i try to scan frequencies

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm using a Pinnacle ShowCenter 1000g as a 'primative' mythtv media player — Does anybody have a script to produce symbolic links by reading the program title/subtitle from the DB and creating a link for each .mpg file? (I use PVR 250+500)

[05:01:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

It works, it's just ugly not being able to know what program is what... "10773_20060227210000.mpg" is ugly and doesn't describe the program — I'd like to see "24 – Day 5: 4:00PM-5:00PM.mpg" (or similar) instead...

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OmegaEvil:

hmmm must be something stupid..

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J-e-f-f-A:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY Para11el

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A, might wanna change the password now :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

yikes. Yeah... I was just thinking the same thing. Ooops.

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Beirdo:

and there are scripts in contrib for the symlinking

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dscoular`:

for prog in /mnt/store/*.mpg; do [ -f $prog ] && mythname.pl $prog; done

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dscoular`:

That will list the program names. You can just embroider that to do ln -s

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dscoular`:

You might want to test for zero length mpg's too judging by current DVB reliability ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

eek. that sucked. password changed...

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dscoular`:

Oh... and Beirdo probly is right I haven't checked contrib in a while.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I'll check the contrib. Thanks.

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OmegaEvil:

k now I really dont know what the problem is hmm

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OmegaEvil:

any of you had that erro pop up ?

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OmegaEvil:

Error parsing parameters while trying to do a chan scan

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: What card are you using? (if you said already, I missed it...) I don't know if I'll be able to help, but I'll try... I use a HD3000 here in the US.

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dscoular`:

mythrename.pl looks like a candidate

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OmegaEvil:

its a hauppauge dvb-s card

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OmegaEvil:

if I would know what cuases that error then I prolly could find the problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had/have the same security issue with /dev/dvb — I'm pretty new to linux, but have my backend working great with a 3 Dish Network sat receivers (1xPVR-250, 1xPVR-500 via svideo), and a HD3000.

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OmegaEvil:

well it detects the card now sorry

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OmegaEvil:

hehe

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OmegaEvil:

it just wont scan

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OmegaEvil:

;-]

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OmegaEvil:

give me the error I mentioned

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OmegaEvil:

+s god my typing sucks tonight

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: Humm. I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I had any issues with my HD3000 — that is, once I set it up as a 'dvb' device instead of a 'hd3000'... ;-)

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OmegaEvil:

hehe

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OmegaEvil:

thanks anyway mate

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OmegaEvil:

any input is better than none ;-DD

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: no hits on google or the archives?

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OmegaEvil:

i looked

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OmegaEvil:

let me look again...but most looked unpromising to say the least

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... that's a bummer. I'll take a look too, maybe I'll get lucky and find someting you didn't...

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OmegaEvil:

ohh agerman guy had the issue..sec...thank god I speak german too haha ;-D

[05:15:30]

OmegaEvil:

he never had a reply

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OmegaEvil:

and it was posted 2 years ago almost

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OmegaEvil:

so I would imagine its something stupid on my part

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm.. found something on 'mysettopbox.tv', but I don't have a login to view it...

[05:16:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ahh... google cache works!

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OmegaEvil:

yep saw that too

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** OmegaEvil shudders **

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OmegaEvil:

brrr more spam

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OmegaEvil:

btw did ya set the nodes to execute permission too >

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J-e-f-f-A:

umm... I don't remember... I'll look now...

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OmegaEvil:

im not sure what effect that has on device nodes

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OmegaEvil:

cool cheers

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OmegaEvil:

hmmm looking at the source

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: hey you here?

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OmegaEvil:

might be something isnt set by the looks of it

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ftp4:

well crap, my wireless usb logitech mouse/kb do not work with knoppmyth! whats a good one that does work so I can go buy it tomorrow?

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Beirdo:

huh?

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OmegaEvil:

looking at these objects

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Beirdo:

if USB keyboard/mouse works, the wireless one will

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Beirdo:

the computer doesn't know the difference

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SlicerDicer-:

ftp4: perhaps turn on usb keyboard support?

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SlicerDicer-:

ftp4: also adctivate support for it in the bios

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SlicerDicer-:

bah my hands hurt like hell I cant type very well

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

exuse my typos

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SlicerDicer-:

bah

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mythNoob:

hello everyone

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: — didn't need execute... But the adapter0 branc needed +r (i did +w too, but does it really need that?)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(branc=branch)

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ftp4:

how do I turn on usb keyboard/mouse supprt?

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mythNoob:

when I try to import a CD it simply ejects the tray what's up?

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mythNoob:

ftp4 do your keyboard and mouse work before the os loads like for the mother board's setup screens?

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SlicerDicer-:

ftp4: you can do it in the bios as well as kernel

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J-e-f-f-A:

ftp4: Maybe your bios needs to have the 'enable usb keyboard/mouse' turned on? This will emulate a ps/2 kb/mouse automatically.

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OmegaEvil:

J-e-f-f-A, hmm k

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mythNoob:

or simply enable usb

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ftp4:

ic.. ok, i will play with it

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SlicerDicer-:

ftp4: I run all usb keyboards I just have to make sure its turned on in the bios and kernel support for it that is

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont own ps/2 keyboards anymore

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mythNoob:

be sure the usb port you are trying is actually bot turned on in bios and cabled to the mobo

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: Here's what my /dev/dvb/adapter0 looks like now:

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ftp4:

ok. plugging in a monitor ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

[root@mythbackend2 mythtv]# ls -al /dev/dvb/adapter0

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J-e-f-f-A:

total 0

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J-e-f-f-A:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Mar 14 17:47 .

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J-e-f-f-A:

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Mar 14 17:47 ..

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J-e-f-f-A:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 212, 4 Mar 14 17:47 demux0

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J-e-f-f-A:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 212, 5 Mar 14 17:47 dvr0

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J-e-f-f-A:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 212, 3 Mar 14 17:47 frontend0

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J-e-f-f-A:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 212, 7 Mar 14 17:47 net0

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J-e-f-f-A:

[root@mythbackend2 mythtv]#

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Beirdo:

if USB keyboards work, and the wireless one doesn't, it's likely not synched

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A, PLEASE use pastebin :)

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: next time please use a pastebin such as rafb.net/paste

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: goog point...

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OmegaEvil:

doesnt make sense

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mythNoob:

ja there is a little sync button on the bottom of the device right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops.. sorry — new to irc.

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OmegaEvil:

J-e-f-f-A, dont worry

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OmegaEvil:

its not that

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Beirdo:

gotta learn somehow :)

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jasta:

what an obnoxious nickname

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OmegaEvil:

looking at this source

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: which one – mine?

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jasta:

yes, yours.

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OmegaEvil:

its something to do with these objects...either they are not initialized or i dont know

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SlicerDicer-:

jasta: you use firewire right?

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: will you get mad at me for being cloned in here btw?

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Como|Lappy:

woot hoot

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Como|Lappy:

i see people

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mythNoob:

Beirdo? of Beirdo's FAQ fame?

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jasta:

SlicerDicer-: Possibly, did you have a specific question in mind?

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OmegaEvil:

Im open for suggestion about the "Error parsing parameters" error trying to do a scan on a dvb card

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: sorry — I didn't intend to tick anybody off with it...

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OmegaEvil:

any thoughts appreciated

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SlicerDicer-:

jasta: when I go to switch inputs by pressing Y I have to do it at least 2x cause it kicks me out to the main mythmenu

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Como|Lappy:

ok, i have a super-uber-basic question about mythtv before i start playing with it...

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Beirdo:

SlicerDicer, I wouldn't worry about it...

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:28:51]

SlicerDicer-:

jasta: I am just trying to figure out why it wont switch without timing out on creating the stream

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mythNoob:

hate to ask again but any thoughts on the CD tray opening as soon as I select import CD?

[05:28:55]

SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: thanks :)

[05:29:18]

OmegaEvil:

ugh 5:30 am

[05:29:18]

Beirdo:

god how f'ing STUPID this was

[05:29:20]

Beirdo:

heheh

[05:29:33]

OmegaEvil:

Beirdo, what did ya do ?

[05:29:40]

Beirdo:

I exit from the main thread then wonder why the last bit of code in that thread won't run

[05:29:43]

Beirdo:

well, DUH!

[05:29:49]

OmegaEvil:

hehe

[05:30:04]

Beirdo:

threaded applications are always a beotch

[05:30:19]

SlicerDicer-:

jasta: so yeah I am trying to figure out why its acting up like that and also I cant get HDTV specified to the firewire... it always defaults to my pvr350

[05:30:24]

Beirdo:

the pthread_join would never return. well DUH

[05:30:33]

mythNoob:

lol

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Como|Lappy:

anyone up to answering a few pre-install questions?

[05:30:58]

mythNoob:

so are you starting some IO then continuing other processing on another thread?

[05:31:05]

Beirdo:

nah

[05:31:14]

Beirdo:

stupid me

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ftp4:

is there a way to tell if usb is on in the kernel?

[05:31:19]

Beirdo:

I'll fix this :)

[05:31:20]

mythNoob:

fire away como

[05:31:24]

mythNoob:

coolies

[05:31:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Como — I'll try... Shoot...

[05:31:38]

Como|Lappy:

ok, here we go

[05:31:44]

Como|Lappy:

first and foremost, is X needed?

[05:31:58]

mythNoob:

there are those who have installed w/o X

[05:32:09]

mythNoob:

i'll drop a link in here for it please go on

[05:32:13]

Como|Lappy:

can you use it w/o x?

[05:32:26]

ftp4:

if i plug a usb mouse in, no light comes on. and usb is on in the bios

[05:32:41]

Como|Lappy:

because ive never been a big linux GUI fan

[05:32:48]

Como|Lappy:

that and ssh is way cooler

[05:33:03]

mythNoob:

link for myth sans X --- http://hawley.homeip.net/recycled-machine-mythtv.html

[05:33:42]

OmegaEvil:

ftp4, lsmod

[05:33:55]

OmegaEvil:

and lsusb to check if the device is there

[05:34:37]

mythNoob:

any reason why Windows XP Media player can play a particular DVD that the same system under fedora can not?

[05:35:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: is it actually possible to run a mythtv frontend without x? I know the backend doesn't need x...

[05:35:31]

mythNoob:

you have to build your own windows using window maker

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OmegaEvil:

mythNoob, you are new to liux right ?

[05:35:59]

OmegaEvil:

linux

[05:36:20]

mythNoob:

new to the admin side of it yes

[05:36:23]

OmegaEvil:

css is proprietry

[05:36:26]

mythNoob:

link for window maker

[05:36:28]

mythNoob:

http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/windowmaker.txt

[05:36:34]

mythNoob:

ahh

[05:36:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: thanks for the link.

[05:36:43]

mythNoob:

nps Jeffa

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OmegaEvil:

no distro puts it due to patent issues

[05:36:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

[05:36:56]

Como|Lappy:

...so to actually use a mythbox ill need x?

[05:37:00]

mythNoob:

so it tries to crack the CSS encryp and fails sometimes?

[05:37:09]

OmegaEvil:

crappy software patents

[05:37:19]

OmegaEvil:

no css my bet is

[05:37:25]

mythNoob:

ahh

[05:37:30]

OmegaEvil:

or the lib is buggy

[05:37:48]

mythNoob:

the message I got was something to the effect "cracking CSS failed"

[05:38:03]

mythNoob:

other DVD's play just swell

[05:38:06]

OmegaEvil:

if (!chan_opts.tuning.parseQAM <--- someboidy tell me what that does

[05:38:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: Are you using your HD tuner with cable tv or Over-the-air?

[05:38:38]

Como|Lappy:

does anyone know of a list of things ill have to build into the kernel before i try and install this?

[05:39:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think QAM is only for cable (at least in the states) — atsc is over-the-air in the states.

[05:39:01]

mythNoob:

Como what distro of linux are you looking to use?

[05:39:18]

Como|Lappy:

slackware is what i have on there, its all im familiar with

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OmegaEvil:

J-e-f-f-A, dvb satellite

[05:39:30]

OmegaEvil:

hmm

[05:39:38]

OmegaEvil:

thats the only line linked to parse error

[05:39:47]

OmegaEvil:

oops

[05:39:49]

OmegaEvil:

nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh. Humm... I don't think we have that here yet! Otherwise I'd swap from Dish -> S-Video -> PVR350 to a direct DVB tuner!!!

[05:40:10]

Como|Lappy:

i mean, i suppose i could download that one that was made specifically for mythtv

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mythNoob:

como read this to get at least an appreciation of what you are about to start on slackware — http://www.byopvr.com/Sections+index-req-view . . . -page-1.html

[05:40:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Como: Do you just want to 'dabble' with mythtv first? You could experiment with the Cd-boot KnoppMyth...

[05:41:27]

OmegaEvil:

looks like if something isnt set

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OmegaEvil:

it gives the error

[05:41:35]

Como|Lappy:

nah, im not really set up to dabble, ive been planning this for the better part of a year now and im getting tired of having this pvr-350 sitting around not being used

[05:41:41]

mythNoob:

tell me if I am spamming this question about the CD tray .... why does import CD fail right when it starts and eject the tray?

[05:41:47]

OmegaEvil:

now the question is what didnt i set

[05:41:51]

Como|Lappy:

i stay very busy so its hard to spend alot of time playing around

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twisted_one:

hey guys, I am having some issues building the ivtv ebuild in portage, its failing and I cannot figure out why, it built fine a few weeks ago but I had to nuke the hdd and start from scratch due to a power surge. Now its not building and I cannot figure out why

[05:42:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: cd tray — dunno... Any errors in the log? Maybe security or something?

[05:42:26]

mythNoob:

then I strongly suggest you give up on the idea of not using an X gui

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mythNoob:

Jeffa i'll cut and paste the error in a sec

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twisted_one:

http://pastebin.com/604865

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J-e-f-f-A:

Como: The only reason I'd prefer not to use an 'x' gui is on my X-box — it would probably help it to be a little faster since it's only 64mb ram... :-(

[05:44:08]

SlicerDicer-:

use X with fluxbox

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SlicerDicer-:

uses hardly any ram

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Como|Lappy:

the reason i perfer not to use x is i dont know where disk 2 is (which has x and all the gui's) and im very comfortable laying in bed on my laptop ssh'd to the box im working on

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Como|Lappy:

;)

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SlicerDicer-:

fluxbox blackbox or openbox any one

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J-e-f-f-A:

(xbox question) — Can I eliminate the 'xebian' background graphic, or set it to a single color or something to free up some memory?

[05:46:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

or even a 2-bit depth graphic with something like "Booting MythTV Frontend... One Moment" or something...

[05:46:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

(to be more wife-friendly, of course!)

[05:48:21]

Como|Lappy:

whats this zap2it datadirect service

[05:48:24]

Como|Lappy:

looks scary

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OmegaEvil:

im off to bed

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mythNoob:

error on CD rip is metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you.

[05:48:59]

mythNoob:

2006-03–16 00:44:18.155 Error opening output file: /media/music/Yes/YesYears (Disc 1)/01 – Something_s Coming.mp3

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J-e-f-f-A:

como: it provides the tv listings (at least in the states). It's not that big of a deal (to me anyways)

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OmegaEvil:

thanks J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

OmegaEvil: best of luck with your card... Hope you get it working soon.

[05:49:17]

OmegaEvil:

nn all ... i will return tomorrow ;-]

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Como|Lappy:

sounds like something to worry about later

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OmegaEvil:

cheers mate

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OmegaEvil:

nn

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J-e-f-f-A:

como: if you want listings to appear in myth, you'll need zap2it or some other method to get them... It's pretty easy to setup, and I haven't noticed any 'additional' spam since signing up.

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Como|Lappy:

maybe later, i dont even have the tv tuner in the computer at this point

[05:51:27]

Como|Lappy:

it needs some cooling modifications before i trust it in there

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Como|Lappy:

...and i dont know how im gonna get the signal to the tv yet

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ftp4:

yaaay, got usb to work

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only thing that ticks me off is that you can only have one lineup per zip-code. I had to use one zip code for my 'dish network' listings, and the zip of an adjacent city for my 'HDTV over-the-air' listings.

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mythNoob:

congrats, ftp

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J-e-f-f-A:

ftp4: What was it?

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ftp4:

so, how do i fix the size of the mythtv menus? the tv looks great, but when i goto the web surfing, its off the screen

[05:52:54]

ftp4:

bios, really weird, i have to set 6 usb ports in bios even though the mb only has 2

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ftp4:

very off

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ftp4:

but it works!

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Como|Lappy:

anyone here have a pvr-350?

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ftp4:

i do ;-)

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Como|Lappy:

how is it

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J-e-f-f-A:

ftp4: Strange... the other 4 are on the MB via header pins...

[05:53:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

I have a 350 too — not using it currently tho.

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Como|Lappy:

according to this site im looking at theres a tv out

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ftp4:

jeffa, they must be

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J-e-f-f-A:

Currently use a 250 and a 500 in the same box.

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Como|Lappy:

i must have not seen it

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J-e-f-f-A:

(tried a non-mce 150 with the 500 and couldn't get the stupid thing to work... anybody want a 150?)

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Beirdo:

Korea 2, Japan 1

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ftp4:

any ideas on fixing the screen size?

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Como|Lappy:

i got a 350 because i hate cpu overhead

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Como|Lappy:

in this case its saving me because im using a 500 celly

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dtm:

this just started happening today, a couple days after i upgraded to 0.19 --> 2006-03–15 21:22:28.623 RingBuf(/mnt/store//1041_20060314190000.mpg): Invalid file (fd 18) when opening '/mnt/store//1041_20060314190000.mpg'. 6 retries remaini

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mythNoob:

what's up with your screen size ftp4?

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twisted_one:

Well building from source worked just fine, dont really need that to be managed via portage anyways

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dtm:

all my recordings are 0 bytes. the schedule says they started and ended in the same minut.e

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was using my 350 in my first server. No issues in my opinion. Worked perfectly from 'day 1'.

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dtm:

what would do that?

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dtm:

/mnt/store is via nfs but nothing changed there, and i can read/write files there

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mythNoob:

did you use the TV out port Jeffa?

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J-e-f-f-A:

But if you don't need the 350's mpeg decoder (for tv out only btw), then a 250 is a better choice.

[05:55:40]

ftp4:

mythnoob, the screen is fine on tv, but when i am using mythtv menus and look at the web browser, i cant see the top of the browser, like none of the top buttons

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: I experimented with it for a while, but now I just use VGA.

[05:56:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

I got two 37" Mitsubishi Megaview 37" monitors from work for FREE! They had a few issues, but I've repaired one and it's in my living room now. That's a price I can almost never resist — Even if I don't need the item...

[05:57:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

(and in my BR I have a 21" monitor on a frontend)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ftp4: too much overscan perhaps? I've got the opposite problem with my x-box frontend — it's about 1/2" from the edge of the screen, and 'xvidtune' doesn't appear to have any affect (must be fixed timing in the NTSC encoder on the xbox)

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mythNoob:

ftp4 can you scroll up (it's up arrow on my remote)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: When I was playing with the 350's output, it was excellent quality. But VGA is better, so I haven't looked back since!

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J-e-f-f-A:

(especially at 37" — it's horrible to view an interlaced picture on a 37" screen!)

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mythNoob:

neat, J-e-f-f-a. in my reading up on myth it seemed that the only probs ppl had with 350's delt with tv out

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Como|Lappy:

yarr.

[06:01:38]

Como|Lappy:

i diddnt know it had tv out

[06:01:43]

Como|Lappy:

but if it does i hope i dont have problems

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J-e-f-f-A:

In my latest backend system, I'm running a 250 and a 500. I've got three Dish Network Sat receivers piped into the three tuners with S-video. I've also got a HD3000 with roof-top antenna – I get about 20 channels with it...

[06:01:57]

Como|Lappy:

stupid hp motherboard, no onboard lan and only three pci slots

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mythNoob:

ftp4 are you on a TV and are you at 320x240 res?

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Beirdo:

it (as of now) will shutdown cleanly. YAY

[06:03:49]

Beirdo:

the joy of messing with signals and threading

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mythNoob:

*golf claps for Beirdo*

[06:04:29]

Beirdo:

I actually had to create a thread to shutdown some threads

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Beirdo:

seems dumb, but such is life

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J-e-f-f-A:

como: Yep. 350 has an onboard Mpeg encoder that outputs NTSC video (svideo & composite [eek!]) The 250 is basically a 350 without the decoder. All of the hauppauge PVR-x50 cards have hardware encoders.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(oops... that should read Mpeg DECODER that outputs NTSC...)

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Como|Lappy:

i knew it had hardware encoding, i diddnt know it had decoders at all

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mythNoob:

I sent an email to Hauppauge sales before I bought my cards and asked why the 250 cost more when the 150 has the same specs

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mythNoob:

they said the 250 is being phased out the 150 will replace it

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Como|Lappy:

i got hte 350 for... $120 shipped?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah. Unfortunately it can only be used to decode mpeg the video outputs on the card. But if you use it in that capacity, it's said to have the best video quality.

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J-e-f-f-A:

como: I got my PVR-500 (dual-tuner, basically two PVR-150's on one card) for $145 shipped. $120 is a good price for the 350 though. I think I paid $75 or so for my PVR-250 from ebay about a year ago.

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mythNoob:

this CD rip thing is going to drive me crazy

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, i had to look around and use a coupon ;)

[06:07:25]

Como|Lappy:

i wanted the 500, but a friend told me it wasnt hardware encoding

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: did you try a different CD just for kicks — maybe it doesn't like that particular cd?

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Beirdo:

they were lying

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Beirdo:

the 500 is dual hardware encoders

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Como|Lappy:

then i realised i havnt watched TV in over three years, and i can handle only one channel at a time

[06:07:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: he was mis-informed. It is.

[06:07:58]

Como|Lappy:

well, thats good to know i guess

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mythNoob:

yep tried some that I made even

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mythNoob:

oh...

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J-e-f-f-A:

again — it's basically two 150's on a single card. I got it to free up a PCI slot, plus it was less than 2x150's (or 250's)

[06:08:23]

mythNoob:

they all work in other linux apps on this comp

[06:08:40]

Como|Lappy:

i diddnt know the 150 was hardware iether, but apparently it is

[06:09:00]

mythNoob:

I can rip and play them for example in Helix

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: humm... Hey — did you send the error — if you did, I didn't see it... (sorry)

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Como|Lappy:

but this card is what i have now and if the tv out works well then it should serve me perfectly

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Beirdo:

that's enough messing with the bot code for tonight

[06:09:13]

mythNoob:

I can send it again :)

[06:09:29]

Como|Lappy:

ill be able to watch stand up comedy now that we actually have the comedy channel

[06:09:30]

Como|Lappy:

:)

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mythNoob:

metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you.

[06:09:41]

mythNoob:

2006-03–16 01:07:39.700 Error opening output file: /media/music/Yes/YesYears (Disc 1)/01 – Something_s Coming.ogg

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think somebody else sent a log at the same time, and I must have missed yours. (oops!)

[06:09:48]

mythNoob:

myth user owns the folder

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mythNoob:

and permissions are set to everyone everything

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Como|Lappy:

gah, this walkthrough is using commands that dont exist

[06:11:02]

mythNoob:

FWIW I've tried to use both ogg and mp3

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mythNoob:

I can use both in other apps successfully

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mythNoob:

I have xmms installed

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: That looks like a simple permision error... Humm... What does an "ls -al /media/music" show for permissions? (and/or /Yes and /YesYears...)

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mythNoob:

grabbing it one sec...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey – just a though — make sure you started mythbackend as 'mythtv' user — check with "ps -ef |grep mythbackend" — perhaps you started it as another user?

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J-e-f-f-A:

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Como|Lappy:

man, i cant wait till i get my ghost server running

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Como|Lappy:

every time i do a project like this

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Como|Lappy:

first thing ill do when i get it working is ghost it

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Como|Lappy:

because im gonna end up breaking it

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Como|Lappy:

oh well, its bed time for now anyways. this looks like its gonna be a back burner project till i get my school senior project out of the way.

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Como|Lappy:

ill be sticking around here ;)

[06:14:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: It'll be worth it in the end...

[06:15:10]

Como|Lappy:

thats what i keep hearing

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Beirdo:

night all

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Como|Lappy:

unfortunately i have 6 or 7 projects like this

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm a newbie, and I played around with a system with just 40gb at first, and now I'm running 800GB...

[06:15:34]

mythNoob:

ok it's not permissions but checking that found it for me J-e-f-f-a

[06:15:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

mee too... That's what took me so long to get it all together..

[06:15:40]

** Como|Lappy looks at his 2 TB file server **

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Como|Lappy:

ehhhhh.

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mythNoob:

it was a capital M in music

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mythNoob:

*hides*

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythNoob: really? Awesome.

[06:16:04]

mythNoob:

thanks Jeffa :)

[06:16:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, we're only human!!!!

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Como|Lappy:

oh wait

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Como|Lappy:

its not a 2tb server anymore

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Como|Lappy:

i stole three 250s from it and the rest are powered down because i broke ssh

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mythNoob:

as you know by default windows doesn't care about case

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Como|Lappy:

and samba

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Como|Lappy:

theres another project, get fileserver back

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've been there lots of times. Looking at a piece of code, pullling my hair out trying to figure out what's wrong, and having somebody walk up and say "You're missing a period right here ->".

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Como|Lappy:

also on the list: custom low-profile cases for a smoothwall router and a windows server

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mythNoob:

hehe yeah I know that one

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J-e-f-f-A:

But will that 2TB be just for myth? My 800 is! ;-)

[06:17:54]

Como|Lappy:

nah, i think this single 250 will be fine for it

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mythNoob:

is there a CSS solution that I can buy? like there are some DVD players for windows you can buy as well?

[06:18:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Although I've begun to realize that 800GB is pleanty — 300 hours of programming is ALOT!!!!

[06:18:06]

Como|Lappy:

i havnt watched tv in three years, 250 gigs should be fine

[06:18:11]

mythNoob:

lol

[06:18:26]

mythNoob:

TV is just the data stream :P

[06:18:38]

mythNoob:

I'm actually graduating from Tivo to Myth

[06:18:51]

mythNoob:

I've been commercial free for ages

[06:19:07]

Como|Lappy:

myth cuts out the commercials for you?

[06:19:14]

mythNoob:

hell yeah

[06:19:24]

Como|Lappy:

... ohhhhh so cool.

[06:19:27]

Como|Lappy:

how does it know

[06:19:34]

mythNoob:

blank screens and AI

[06:19:40]

Como|Lappy:

ah ha.

[06:19:50]

Como|Lappy:

i think i need a towel

[06:19:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: where it gets really neat/fun is if you get it setup to stream to the web (mythstreamtv), and to winblows... (the rest of the machines in my house) My buddy and I played one of my recordings at "Comp USA" the other day over the web.. I asked the lady "can any of your TiVO systems do this?" hehe...

[06:20:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: yes!!! it flags commercials!!

[06:20:13]

Como|Lappy:

heh

[06:20:16]

mythNoob:

actuall Tivo can do allthat

[06:20:18]

Como|Lappy:

i work at circuitcity

[06:20:20]

mythNoob:

+y

[06:20:27]

mythNoob:

but not off the shelf

[06:20:36]

Como|Lappy:

but i dont think i have enough bandwidth to stream tv

[06:20:49]

mythNoob:

convert it to shout and you can

[06:20:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

The only complaint I have is that if there's a commercial in the last few mintues of a show (Home improvement for example), it often skips the last minute of the show, figuring it's part of the commercial.

[06:20:55]

Como|Lappy:

man, no commercials

[06:21:29]

mythNoob:

comparing a 2006 Mythtv to a 1996 Tivo is like comparing DOS to solaris

[06:21:32]

Como|Lappy:

SNL would probly get botched

[06:21:42]

Como|Lappy:

it has lots of fake commercials

[06:21:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: and it's got a web interface.

[06:21:56]

mythNoob:

the PITA with Tivo is the speed of the CPU is sooo slow ~33mhz

[06:22:24]

Como|Lappy:

im basically building this for stand up comedy and to get my girlfriend off my back about recording crap for her

[06:22:32]

mythNoob:

lol

[06:22:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was over a friend's house watching the superbowl this year, and a friend asked me if I could record it for them as they wouldn't be able to watch it. I had forgotten to set it up, but just logged on to my server at home and set it up to record.

[06:22:41]

dtm:

2006-03–15 21:22:28.051 RingBuf(/mnt/store//1041_20060314190000.mpg): Invalid file (fd 18) when opening '/mnt/store//1041_20060314190000.mpg'. 7 retries remaining.

[06:22:43]

Como|Lappy:

shes all like, OMG you need to go download that show for me!

[06:22:47]

dtm:

do you guys have any idea whatsoever what that means?

[06:22:54]

mythNoob:

there was a shoutcast TV show about buuilding a Myth box on last night

[06:23:00]

Como|Lappy:

and then its a rerun and i dont know till after i find it, burn it, and give it to her

[06:23:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Then my wife used myth to record it to a set-top dvd recorder, and she was blown away when it automatically skipped the commercials for her. (I know the SB commercials are great, but her friend didn't want them...)

[06:24:08]

dscoular`:

dtm: looks like your tuner failed to tune perhaps

[06:24:12]

mythNoob:

DTM your ring buffer is how far back you can rewind your live TV

[06:24:12]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, skipping commercials will be cool.

[06:24:20]

dtm:

yeah.

[06:24:20]

Como|Lappy:

it really breaks up my comedy watching

[06:24:27]

mythNoob:

what do you have it set to in options and how much free disk space is there ?

[06:24:29]

dtm:

my /mnt/store is via nfs but nfs is working fine

[06:24:38]

dtm:

8GB free

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Como|Lappy:

ill be able to watch an hour long tv show in 40 mins :p

[06:24:51]

dscoular`:

Did the channel tune ok ?

[06:24:56]

Como|Lappy:

ok, i gotta go to bed. another project for another day

[06:24:58]

Como|Lappy:

night

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dscoular`:

nighty night

[06:25:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: yes, and without having to press the 'commercial skip' button like I have to on my Dish PVR's...

[06:25:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

(or HAD TO... ;-)

[06:25:25]

Como|Lappy:

heh, commercial skip.

[06:25:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

como: ttyl... ;-)

[06:25:37]

Como|Lappy:

i dont think that existed last time i touched a remote :p

[06:25:55]

Como|Lappy:

later

[06:26:11]

dtm:

i just got this error suddenly today .. i upgraded to 0.19 a few days ago. does anyone have any clues?

[06:26:46]

mythNoob:

dtm: have you looked here? http://pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=37885

[06:27:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: I just noticed two slashes in the filename — see "...store//1041..." I seem to recall something about that... Humm... let me think for a minute...

[06:27:22]

mythNoob:

according to that site it means the frontend is waiting on the streem and is only a prob if it reaches 0 retries

[06:28:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... Maybe in the setup, you specified "/mnt/store/" where you should have put "/mnt/store" (no trailing slash) ???

[06:28:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

(checking my config now to validate...)

[06:28:37]

dtm:

mythNoob: no, because that doesn't have a problem in it. however, my system reaches 0 and doesn't record anything anymore.

[06:28:43]

dtm:

i have not had a successful recording all day

[06:28:48]

Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A – It shouldn't be a problem really though.

[06:28:57]

dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: the number of slashes is irrelevant

[06:29:18]

dtm:

you can do as many as you want on any real OS

[06:29:25]

dtm:

they're just redundant

[06:29:38]

mythNoob:

can you make a small test regording to a local disk?

[06:29:41]

dtm:

without changing anything, it was working fine yesterdady

[06:29:44]

dtm:

yesterday

[06:30:07]

dtm:

2006-03–15 16:35:02.644 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(0, NTSC)

[06:30:10]

dtm:

while setting format (v4l v1)

[06:30:13]

dtm:

i also have that

[06:30:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: was it working fine yesterday with .19?

[06:31:04]

dtm:

yeah

[06:31:07]

dtm:

i upgraded on monday

[06:31:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

humm... strange.

[06:31:11]

dtm:

worked fine all week

[06:33:13]

dtm:

i restarted mythbackend, to no avail

[06:33:23]

dtm:

hmm i'll reload the pvrusb2 driver.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: pvrusb2 eh? How good does that work? So far I've only used PVR-350, then 250, then 150 and 500... I haven't ventured to USB or anything else yet...

[06:38:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

does it use alot of CPU? (my cards use virtually nothing...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

On a different subject — is there a video card that's got a hardware decoder capable of HDTV decoding in Linux? I'm trying to avoid having to build a 3Ghz frontend to watch HD recordings...

[06:41:18]

dtm:

at one point, mythtv claims i had a recording that was over 130000GB and the rest afterward are 0

[06:41:26]

dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: it uses no cpu

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dtm:

and it's totally awesome.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: awesome. And the quality is great too?

[06:41:49]

dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: my backend is 233 MHz G3 powerbook

[06:41:59]

dtm:

yeah quality is insane. goes up to about 20 Mbps

[06:42:17]

dtm:

i am using usb1.1 and it'll do at least 6Mbps

[06:42:24]

dtm:

i never tried higher because there's no poitn

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dtm:

point

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J-e-f-f-A:

I mean – with my PVR's, I've slowly lowered the rate to save on disk space, and find 400x480 @ 3600min/4800max to be incredible... Even on a 37" computer monitor. The video driver (or the vga card) does an incredible job at scaling the video with no obvious artifacts...

[06:45:46]

dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i was just thinking of doing that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: 233 powerbook backend, eh? Yeah, I guess you don't have any PCI slots in that for a PVR-250, eh?!?

[06:46:21]

dtm:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

My backend is a Dual PIII 866 w/512MB ram and 4x200GB drives in a 800GB(760 formatted) LVM and a 18GB scsi disk for the OS.

[06:47:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Funny thing is that since it's a dual-processor box, it runs smoother than my 'test' backend that was on an Athlon XP 1800... It's more responsive.

[06:48:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: wow.. just notice that you're only using usb 1.1 and it is still fast enough... awesome!

[06:49:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

(er, that should be "noticed", not 'notice'...

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: With my settings at 400x480 3600/4800 it ends up being about 1.6GB/hour. Much better than the 3GB/hr with the default 'out of the box' settings...

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mythNoob:

Thanks again Jeffa good night everyone

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: Were you able to get it working yet? Any new clues?

[06:53:46]

shellsage:

Hi. Does anyone have an lircrc file for mythtv and the new PVR-150 MCE remote?

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shellsage:

And does anyone know of a way to "page down" in MythMusic? Scrolling one by one is so slow.

[06:55:18]

armand:

page down doesnt do it? hehe

[06:56:15]

shellsage:

No, that fast forwards

[06:56:36]

dscoular`:

On 0.18.1 FF (or was it skip) and REW (or was it replay) did this but in mythtv 0.19 you'll probably need to bind it yourself

[06:56:59]

shellsage:

That doesn't just goto the next track?

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dscoular`:

I think it depends on your bindings... on 0.18 either FF or SKIP jumped down a page and the other went to the next track... can't really remember.

[06:58:13]

dscoular`:

Why not just check your bindings... what version are you talking about anyway

[06:58:17]

shellsage:

ok, I'm looking in mythweb for SKIP, is it a global?

[06:58:20]

shellsage:

.19

[06:58:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

shellsage: Humm... Is the 150 MCE remote the same as the 'standard' MS MCE remote? Probably not, eh?

[06:59:00]

shellsage:

J-e-f-f-A, not sure, sec I'll get a picture for you

[06:59:24]

shellsage:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 6-631-04.JPG

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dscoular`:

It depends what's defined in your /etc/lircd.conf methinks

[06:59:45]

dscoular`:

Do you have a lircd.conf specific for that remote ?

[06:59:56]

shellsage:

yep

[07:00:14]

shellsage:

oh, it's the Philips RC-6

[07:00:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

dscoular: I have one for the MS MCE remote... Not sure if it's the same as the 'pvr-150

[07:00:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

... MCE' remote

[07:00:32]

armand:

ooh i like that remote

[07:00:40]

shellsage:

and it uses the lirc_mceusb2 driver

[07:00:42]

shellsage:

armand, yeah me too

[07:00:52]

shellsage:

except for the windows logo on the green button

[07:00:57]

shellsage:

need to get some white out

[07:00:58]

armand:

the ones that came with mine are ugly ;/

[07:01:05]

armand:

haha it has a windows logo?

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dscoular`:

Ok... that should list the available keys which you can map to anything in your ~/.mythtv/lircrc and then you can bind them again to anything in mythtv itself

[07:01:10]

shellsage:

yeah, heh

[07:01:40]

shellsage:

dscoular`, right, but I need to know the key that mythmusic interprets as a literal page down in the list

[07:01:54]

shellsage:

or the function that I can bind that key to

[07:02:08]

armand:

mythmusic doesnt have a keys.txt included like myth does

[07:02:09]

armand:

?

[07:02:11]

dscoular`:

Can't you do that in the key bindings screen

[07:02:19]

armand:

(i dont use mythmusic at all, as you can tell i bet)

[07:02:22]

shellsage:

yes, but there isn't a page down function to bind

[07:02:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah- it has the winblows logo. But if you open the remote, it's just a piece of paper. I have two of these and opened one to clean it when somebody spilled soda on it (YIKES $40 remote!!!), and found the logo was just a little piece of paper. I printed up "MENU" on my little lable printer and put it there instead...

[07:02:27]

shellsage:

that's the thing

[07:02:37]

shellsage:

I just can't find a function that makes the list scroll down quickly

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dscoular`:

Oh...

[07:04:10]

dscoular`:

playbackbox.cpp: else if (action == "PAGEDOWN")

[07:04:35]

dscoular`:

So if you map any key on your remote to send PAGEDOWN

[07:05:02]

ip_goat_rodeo:

OK, how much does a 2m hdmi cable typically cost in the US these days?

[07:05:14]

dscoular`:

Isn't that what google is for ?

[07:05:18]

laga:

your soul, prolly ;)

[07:05:51]

shellsage:

aha, got it

[07:06:07]

shellsage:

dscoular`, the PgDown binding in MythMusic was overriding the global PgDown binding

[07:06:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

dscoular: humm... I just went into mythmusic and pgdown skips forward for me, just like shellsage is seeing...

[07:06:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

shellsage: Oh- which file is that in?

[07:06:53]

shellsage:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah mine did too, but then I removed the PgDown binding in MythMusic and it scrolled

[07:07:02]

shellsage:

J-e-f-f-A, I used MythWeb to do it

[07:07:08]

shellsage:

which has a nice key binding editor

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ip_goat_rodeo:

google doesn't typically differentiate the costs of the audiophile ripoff places and the realistic prices though unless its something that froogle tracks heavily though

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shellsage:

J-e-f-f-A, not sure which file though

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shellsage:

I'm glad I found that, because not having the page down ability was really starting to suck

[07:08:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

ip_goat_rodeo: try pricewatch.com — I think they've got cables there — they've got everhthing else...

[07:08:24]

shellsage:

thanks for the tip dscoular`

[07:08:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

shellsage: What section of the keybindings — I don't see one for mythmusic on my system.

[07:09:08]

shellsage:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah it was MythMusic for me

[07:09:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Just Global – TV Editing – TV Frontend – TV Playback ...

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shellsage:

in MythWeb?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I'll have to check why I don't have a 'MythMusic' section... Yeah, mythweb — "/settings/keys" page...

[07:09:54]

shellsage:

I have others, like Gallery, Game, Music, Netflix, News, etc.

[07:10:23]

ip_goat_rodeo:

yeah, that worked. the place that I was looking at does seem to be dedicated to seperating audiophiles from their cash.

[07:10:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Even for key bindings? Humm... wtf?!? Well then, anybody else got a clue on how to get my mythweb keybindings to show the bindings for all the myth modules I have installed?!?

[07:11:55]

dscoular`:

Why not use mythfrontend ?

[07:12:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oops... I was looking at the keybindings for a specific frontend, not the ones for my backend...

[07:12:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that looks alot better!!!!

[07:13:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

[I guess it's time to go to bed... I'm not thinking straight!]

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dscoular`:

[doug trundles off to pub]

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phar0e:

hello party peoples, it's time for mythtv-action!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Simple question perhaps — How can I map "Control-P" in the keybindings? Is it as simple as entering "Ctrl-P"? (I think I tried that and it didn't seem to work)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(I just found — I tried "Ctrl+P", and that doesn't work...)

[07:21:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

(re: mapping control-P) — Actually, I think the mapping of "Ctrl+P" works in Myth, but mapping a remote control button to "Ctrl+P" is what I was having an issue with... is this possible?

[07:22:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

I want the "Play" button on my remote control to only do the "Play" function, and the "Pause" button to do "Pause"/"Un-Pause"... So i want "Play" mapped to "Ctrl-P" and "Pause" mapped to "P". Ideas/suggestions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nobody, eh? well time for bed anyways... goodnight all...

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dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: hmmmm

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dtm:

checking

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dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: ok l8r

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dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: oh yay it's working. just reloading the driver did it.

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dtm:

i havent had to touch the driver in a month

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: strange...

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J-e-f-f-A:

dtm: but it's a mac, if you were on winblows it wouldn't have lasted a week! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Goodnight... it's 2:35am here, and I'm tired... I'd love to keep playing with Myth, but my body's shutting down on me... ttyl.

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dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: l8r

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dr_chad:

anyone here now?

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dr_chad:

don't see anyone chatting... anyone around this time of night?

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eiggirC:

oooo theres now a semi-official package of mythtv 19 for debian

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eiggirC:

do I risk it?

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maqe:

yesterday i installed the .19 fixes and that solves some of my problems but i get alot of this messages Ignoring livetv eof in decoder loop and ten the frontend seg faults. Is this a know bug or is it something on my system

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Juski:

eiggirC: if it ain't broke....

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Juski:

maqe: check the dev & users mailing lists, and have a look at svn.mythtv.org for open tickets on the fixes branch

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maqe:

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maqe:

it seems like the inbetween program bug has something todo with it but i have upgraded so it shouldnt be an issue anymore

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malaTG:

hmm maybe something for myth.......

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malaTG:

http://scan.coverity.com/

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Juski:

blasphemer!

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malaTG:

hehe

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djohnson:

Hey, has anyone here ever tried xbmcmythtv?

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maqe:

djohnson: im about to but the cvs for xbmcmythtv seems to be down

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djohnson:

maqe: Ah, ok! I've been trying to get it the last 2 days, and that's what I've been having problems with

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maqe:

me to :)

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djohnson:

As far as I can tell it's just a matter of putting the Python scripts in the right folders, setting up the passwords right, and having a smb share

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djohnson:

And I already have the SMB share, that's how I generally watch what I record anyhow, so I'm really hoping it works

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maqe:

yeah i think so, i have an older version of xbmcmythtv but it does not work with .19

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ftp4:

is there a webpage that will tell me where to get games/emulators/etc for mythtv?

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djohnson:

How was it? Pretty slick?

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malaTG:

how do you mean ftp4?

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maqe:

it dosent work with .19 so i havent tested it yet

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djohnson:

You had a previous version though?

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maqe:

it cant connect to the backend at all

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djohnson:

I read it won't work with .19, but if I had to downgrade, I would honestly consider it. XBMC support would be awesome

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maqe:

but it looks nice

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maqe:

:)

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djohnson:

Well, that's a good sign at least ;)

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malaTG:

if you mean how to set it up etc look here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:MythGame

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maqe:

the cvs versio should work

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djohnson:

That's what it seems to say in the forums

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djohnson:

If it's not up by tomorrow I might make a post on sourceforge

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maqe:

yes good idea

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Juski:

XBMC, python scripts & mythtv 0.19 are just fine here. Live TV won't work on it but I really **don't care** about live tv

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djohnson:

If it's as nice as it looks, I'll also make XBMC my dashboard

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djohnson:

Juski: did you have to install the python libs, or did your version of XBMC come with it?

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maqe:

Juski: ok that sounds great

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maqe:

live tv rules :)

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Juski:

live tv is like SO 20th century

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djohnson:

I'd like Live TV to work but it's not critical, rewinding to see a goal, or pausing for whatnot is awesome

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djohnson:

Juski: Can you do us a favour and see if you can see the CVS for xbmcmythtv ? Neither of us can conect

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ftp4:

malatg, i have it installed via knoppmyth, but i dont know where to find games or additional players

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Juski:

ftp4: there are legitimate places to _buy_ game ROM images

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malaTG:

exaclty

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malaTG:

but if you want emulators

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malaTG:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . me_Emulation

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ftp4:

juski, wow, i thought there were tons of FREE (as in legit free) games..

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Juski:

ftp4: people used to post a lot on the net, then they realised they weren't allowed to plonk em there because of copyright issues

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Juski:

some legit ones remain though AFAIK

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Juski:

oh look: http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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djohnson:

I've actually stored a bunch of old SNES and NES cartridges that I have the ROMS for.

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ftp4:

i am not really into games, but i thought it might be cool for my nieces.. i can't beleive people would be paying for a atari game :-)

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djohnson:

You'll find a lot of them are abandoned. I'd also do a search for abandonware

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djohnson:

Not sure about how legit they are wherever you live, but it's worth a websearch

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ftp4:

thanks, yeah, i dont want commercial stuff... the kids are young, they wouldnt know the difference ;-)

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Juski:

lol you'll be surprised how sophisticated kids are

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Juski:

they'll be like.. "so why isn't this in 3D?!"

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ftp4:

thats actually true.. :-D

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Juski:

the amount of people who've seen my mythtv & they ask what version of Windows I'm running on it :-/

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Juski:

then "can you make me one?"... ahem

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malaTG:

hehe

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ftp4:

i worked on it all day and the first thing my gf said was "i like the weather best"

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Juski:

lol

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ftp4:

damn weather.. her treo has that

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Juski:

got my wife trained to delete stuff she's watched now, so I no longer have girltv clogging up my HDD

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ftp4:

then we had to talk about "so, does that big box have to sit by the tv now"

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Juski:

and if it so much as sneezes.. "help! it's broken!!! stupid fucking thing. there I was pressing random buttons on the remote..."

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hydroksyde:

why is it that even if I have a valid config file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc (configfiles/hauppauge-lircrc-nativelirc from the source), and have compiled mythtv with --enable-lirc, the remote still wont work?

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hydroksyde:

it works in irw

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Juski:

hydroksyde: maybe the key definitions are wrong – not every ready made file out there is correctly made ;-)

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hydroksyde:

ok

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hydroksyde:

the "config = " lines appear to be keys

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hydroksyde:

eg config = esc

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Juski:

it's possible, using a keys.txt file, to make your own lircrc file with trial & error using irw & looking at the lircd.conf file. I did all my own files – was a bit tricky at first but it works fine

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hydroksyde:

ok

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Juski:

you can make a key layout more suited to your own preferences too.. some folks' idea of 'logic' is bewildering :-)

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ftp4:

ok, so, i downloaded a rom and i put it in the snes dir and when I click on it nothing happens.. where is the error log?

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hydroksyde:

so config = whichever key is correct?

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maqe:

what media player works with dvd iso playing and menus?

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maqe:

if i use mplayer i cant get pass the menus without forwarding

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maqe:

maybe not a myth problem :)

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phar0e:

hello titsup

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stuarta:

hi phar0e

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phar0e:

I'd pay juski to setup a mythtv box for me just so I could call and complain to him

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phar0e:

"HELP! my joystick is broke, i cannot FF through commercials with my joystick!"

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stuarta:

!trout phar0e

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** MythLogBot slaps phar0e with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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stuarta:

hey Merlin83b: you are no longer alone!

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ftp4:

ugh, how do I stop a game that is showing on the screen.. seems like no keys work

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Juski:

mornin

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coffee88:

morn

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Juski:

phar0e: I saw that. get someone else to do your dirty work :-)

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Juski:

I wouldn't mind a big deposit in my paypal account though (monetary only!)

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stuarta:

mornin juski

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Juski:

mornin stuarta

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Juski:

and it IS a good morning (for a change)

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stuarta:

hey Melin83b2: you are no longer alone!

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Juski:

morning Merlin83b2

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Merlin83b2:

Morning Juski.

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ftp4:

i keep getting the "this version of xmame is not supported" error.. I googled and my paths are correct..

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Merlin83b2:

ftp4: Does the error say anything about paths? ;-)

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pjn:

anybody got a link on a site discussing various transcoding options in mythtv?

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pjn:

I'm looking for something about 600 meg/hr with a standard definition digital tv input for good quality output

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ftp4:

merlin, nope, but when i googled the error thats what people said was the solution. and when i apt-get xmame it says i have the latest version

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Juski:

maybe you need a slightly older version

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Juski:

pjn: transcode to mpeg4, approx 900kbit/sec. very watchable at half PAL res. ;-)

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phar0e:

titsup

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phar0e:

I mean what's up

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stuarta:

utf8 handling

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Merlin83b2:

Morning stuarta.

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stuarta:

morning Merlin83b2

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stuarta:

btw, you are no longer alone with your problem

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Merlin83b2:

The file creation one?

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stuarta:

yup. was on the -dev list this morning

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Merlin83b2:

Haven't read yet today. Dammit, didn't get round to doing the tuner removal/re-add but really hoped that would solve it.

[11:27:28]

Merlin83b2:

Oh, just a guy saying he has it. Take it nobody had any idea why?

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stuarta:

no, but at least it proves it isn't just you :)

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Merlin83b2:

Posting now :-)

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** stuarta <aol> me too </aol> **

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Hoxzer:

guys

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Hoxzer:

Do you guys know what could be good way to cut commercials and then encode record to xvid?

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TarasBulba:

I have a probelm with my frequency settings (9,738,266) which says it is out of range (min/max 950000/2150000)... how can I fix this? googling gave me some results, but not that can cure my problem...

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roger55:

TarasBulba, dvb-s?

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Juski:

this one is always coming up

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roger55:

yeah hz versus khz

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Juski:

it asks for Hz but actually expects khz

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Juski:

or is it the other way round? anyway there's a discrepancy between what it asks for & what it really needs

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Juski:

for satellite frequencies, they're in the Ghz range, so you'd expect 2150000 to be Mhz (2.15Ghz)

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stuarta:

doesn't it take the LNB frequency?

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Juski:

yeh but even the LNB freq. is that high

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roger55:

there is a bug on this on svn.mythtv.org

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roger55:

I just added 000 to both symbol rate and frequency then scanned transports and it added the channels properly.

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roger55:

bbl

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TarasBulba:

roger55: yep..

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TarasBulba:

can I add it via phpmyadmin? is this information saved in mysqldb?

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TarasBulba:

Juski: the problem is, mine is not related to khz – hz.. the fist number is not 1000 times bigger than the latter.

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phar0e:

Juski: is it ok if I use letter-spacing 0.1em in my stylesheet or is that annoying?

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Juski:

phar0e: whatever

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cout:

can mythtv use mplayer for live tv or recorded shows?

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jadaz87:

hello everyone has anyone here used knoppmyth before?

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Juski:

only once & never again

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jadaz87:

are you able to share drives so you can access movies/mp3 from it on another computer?

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Juski:

of course you can, with NFS or SAMBA

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jadaz87:

is that easy to do in knoppmyth?

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Juski:

it's easy to do on any distro

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jadaz87:

oh ok thakn you for that information because i was wondering how i was going to get all my content on that machine haha lol

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Beirdo:

hmm

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stuarta:

even the bot has been sleeping

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Beirdo:

seems to trigger flooding on the 8th notice

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Beirdo:

that gives me something to work with

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stuarta:

add a coffee break after the 7th :)

[14:32:45]

Beirdo:

I'll need to do a leaky bucket type of algorithm

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Beirdo:

I was hoping not to have to :)

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Beirdo:

if 8 within 60s will trigger flood protection... make it calculate how much it's sent in the last 60s with a sliding window

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Beirdo:

blech

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stuarta:

pretty simple though

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Beirdo:

I don't want the bot flooding, and I don't want it to starve itself so we can't use the commands

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stuarta:

could just keep timestamps of last 8 send messages.

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Beirdo:

pretty sure that this network allows 1500 bytes in 60s

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Beirdo:

I protect at 1000 bytes

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Beirdo:

and each notice is around 100 bytes

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Beirdo:

well, the bot library I'm using doesn't make that too easy

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Beirdo:

but I'll find a way

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Beirdo:

or I could just make an output thread and force such control

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

it'd be one output thread per server. just what we need, more threads :)

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Beirdo:

something to think about later, I'm gonna go to work

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** stuarta waves **

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mmead:

I'm curious if anyone is having major issues with ivtv .0.4.{1,2,3} using a pvr350?

[15:02:09]

mmead:

ok... next one :)

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jadaz87:

this room seems dead

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mmead:

anyone have trouble with 1080i being shifted to the right?

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mmead:

jadaz87: yeah...

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mmead:

jadaz87: probably everyone stays up late and gets up late

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stuarta:

why do you think Myth was written :)

[15:03:29]

jadaz87:

hahaha lol

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mmead:

stuarta: to brag about on mythtv-users?

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jadaz87:

LOL

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jadaz87:

does anyone know if knoppmyth supports usd hard drives?

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stuarta:

I see more discussions on Beirdo's trout than bragging...

[15:05:23]

mmead:

jadaz87: no idea, but it's just another hard drive, should show up as sd{a,b,c,...}, so why not?

[15:06:01]

jadaz87:

i also have another question anyone know how to change the ethernet back to broadcast if you did not turn on dhcp :(

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mmead:

jadaz87: what do you mean turn it back to broadcast?

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jadaz87:

well in the setup it asks if you want to turn on dhcp broadcast which means the machine gets a dynamic ip

[15:07:38]

jadaz87:

i choose no, i was wondering how can i get it to turn back on dynamic ip

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mmead:

ahh, I really only know how debian configures its interfaces

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mmead:

on debian it's in /etc/networking/interfaces

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jadaz87:

oh ok thank anyway

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mmead:

auto eth0

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mmead:

iface eth0 inet dhcp

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mmead:

jadaz87: if knoppmyth is debian based it may follow that scheme

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Merlin83b2:

It is.

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mmead:

well there ya go :)

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jadaz87:

how do i even get to terminal to edit that file in knoppmyth?

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jadaz87:

lol

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Merlin83b2:

SSHing into the ox is easy, or ctrl-alt-f1 or whatever that key combinaton is.

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Merlin83b2:

You know about http://www.knoppmythwiki.org right jadaz87?

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mmead:

jadaz87: if you have X running, ctrl-alt-f1

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Beirdo:

GAH

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Beirdo:

got a Christmas song stuck in my head

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Beirdo:

die, song, DIE!

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stuarta:

bit early for that sort of music isn't it.

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Beirdo:

or a bit late

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Beirdo:

yeah

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** Beirdo drowns it out **

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stuarta:

think of happy thoughts & easter bunnies

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Beirdo:

no thanks

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Beirdo:

think of the wedding

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Beirdo:

more my style :)

[15:19:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[15:19:31]

Beirdo:

and it's consuming my thoughts a lot lately

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Juski:

dum dum de dummmmmm

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stuarta:

good thing marilyn mansons playing in the earphones.

[15:20:02]

Beirdo:

heh

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jadaz87:

oh no i did not know

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jadaz87:

how do i get back to X?

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stuarta:

alt-f7

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jadaz87:

thanks

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Beirdo:

anyone remember how to set the VGA mode again without rebooting?

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Beirdo:

for text console

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jadaz87:

i do not have windows anymore :-P so i have to get used to linux :-) i am running knoppmyth on the desktop and ubuntu on this laptop :-)

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

new work laptop

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Beirdo:

now I have to move all my shite over

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stuarta:

rsync ?

[15:25:46]

Beirdo:

it's Winblows

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stuarta:

:(

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Beirdo:

more like put shit onto fileserver, copy back off

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jadaz87:

winblows booooo

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jadaz87:

lol

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Beirdo:

it's work's computers

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jadaz87:

ahh they do not know the secret of linux yet :-)

[15:29:27]

Beirdo:

bah

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Merlin83b2:

<jadaz87> how do i get back to X?

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Merlin83b2:

Pot, kettle...

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Merlin83b2:

:-P

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Beirdo:

we aren't going to tell the sales dweebs to use Linux

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Juski:

if you could get autocad on Linux I still don't think I'd be allowed it at work

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Juski:

IT depts prolly don't want it – it'd put them out of jobs when everyone is used to Linux (seems to break less than windows)

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Venom_X:

hi all, I'm trying to setup mythtv backend on a slackware 10.2 server.. (no pvr 350, or anything). I want it to feed to a mac os x frontend. I've found the mac os x frontend info, and am not too scared about that. I'm having trouble compiling on the server, it chokes at libadvcodec, any tips?

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Beirdo:

I'm in the IT dept :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but not a Winblows guy. Solaris++

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Beirdo:

WinXP does OK for sshing though

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mmead:

Beirdo: do you use HDTV at all?

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Juski:

I could be making twice my salary doing solaris admin – even basic shite like user admin. but I don't want to move to a cultural wasteland (Slough)

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Beirdo:

no

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mmead:

Beirdo: have you heard of 1080i being shifted right on the screen?

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jadaz87:

merlin83b2 thank you so much for the wiki :-)

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Beirdo:

Juski: I'd rather be doing design work

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Beirdo:

mmead: no as I don't do HDTV, I don't pay attention

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** stuarta would like to know what he is doing... **

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mmead:

Beirdo: :) thanks

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Hoxzer:

...

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mmead:

Juski: switchover to new hardware went ok except for ivtv-0.4.{3,2,1} failing horribly on my pvr350 and some weird shifting right of 1080i

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Hoxzer:

I have nonthing to work out with my HTPC

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Juski:

currently designing a flightcase for our sales guys to hawk a mobile DVR around in

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Hoxzer:

maybe I should mess everything up again

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mmead:

Beirdo: you don't happen to use ivtv and a pvr250 or 350? :)

[15:34:30]

Beirdo:

yes

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Venom_X:

anyone?

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Beirdo:

I have 3 PVR250s

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mmead:

Beirdo: what kernel/ivtv version?

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Juski:

Venom_X: try grabbing some libadvcodec-dev

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mmead:

Venom_X: what OS?

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Juski:

what OS.. lol

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Juski:

windowsCE

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Merlin83b2:

Symbian.

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Beirdo:

old ivtv, old kernel

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Venom_X:

mmead linux, slack 10.2

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mmead:

Juski: s/OS/distro/ jeez

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Juski:

so I'm feeling pedantic today :-)

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mmead:

Juski: "linux" isn't an OS, it's a kernel :)

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Venom_X:

hahaha, gnu/linux then..

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Juski:

windows isn't an OS either. it's a PoS

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jadaz87:

LMAO ROFL

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mmead:

Juski: no argument here :)

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Juski:

aaanyway

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mmead:

Venom_X: you'll have to grab packages for the libavdcodec for development

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Venom_X:

Juski where to find libadvcodec-dev?

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stuarta:

though I wouldn't want to do POS on a PoS

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mmead:

Beirdo: thx

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mmead:

Beirdo: I get mpeg stream errors and after changing channels a few times the ivtv driver hangs, blocking the process reading /dev/video0, making it un-killable

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Juski:

Venom_X: where do you usually grab your sources from?

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mmead:

Beirdo: this is 2.6.13.1 w/ivtv 0.4.{3,2,1)

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mmead:

Beirdo: thinking about going back to 2.6.12 and ivtv 0.2.0

[15:40:30]

mmead:

Beirdo: it is PIO instead of DMA, but dammit it worked.

[15:40:40]

Juski:

I have ivtv 0.4.2 working with 2.6.12-rc4

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jams:

.5 and 2.6.15–3 works fine here

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Beirdo:

Umm, even back in 0.2.0, I'm pretty sure they used DMA

[15:40:57]

mmead:

Juski: capture card?

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Juski:

get the odd glitch in recordings but that's mostly down to the shitty cable box

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jams:

perhaps you should look at the firmware version

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Juski:

pvr150

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mmead:

Juski: ahh, I have pvr350

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mmead:

jams: capture card?

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jams:

500

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Juski:

mmead: you have my condolences

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jams:

and 250

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mmead:

Juski: what's wrong with 350?

[15:41:53]

mmead:

Juski: not well support anymore?

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Juski:

nothing, if all you're ever gonna do is play mpeg2

[15:42:36]

mmead:

Juski: do the others support mpeg4?

[15:43:13]

mmead:

jams: I've been looking at the Firmware page on the ivtv wiki, but can't really figure out what firmware is supposed to be used with my card.

[15:43:18]

Juski:

no, but seen as you're gonna be using CPU to do the decoding you may aswell save money & buy something else. that's the way I looked at it

[15:43:29]

mmead:

jams: I have tried the latest based on the downloads they list

[15:43:37]

mmead:

Juski: right, when I bought, was running myth on a celeron 533

[15:43:51]

mmead:

Juski: now I have amd64 and sw decoding, so the decoder is superfluous, but I can still use the encoder :)

[15:44:00]

Juski:

heh

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mmead:

Juski: no point in throwing the card away to buy something else (unless I can't get it working)

[15:44:33]

Juski:

very true.

[15:44:35]

mmead:

jams: I have also tried the firmware that I used with 0.2.0

[15:44:58]

mmead:

for some reason 0.2.0 works properly with the audio if I just modprobe ivtv

[15:45:16]

mmead:

but with 0.4.x I have to first modprobe msp3400

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Juski:

mmead: this might be one for the ivtv forums

[15:45:32]

mmead:

Juski: yeah

[15:45:38]

mmead:

Juski: #ivtv-dev is quite dead :)

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Beirdo:

OK, this should take a while

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Beirdo:

transferring 4G of WMA music over :)

[15:46:44]

Beirdo:

hehe

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[BreliC]:

anyone here install mythtv on Ubuntu Dapper?

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mac^:

Yeah, I compiled the source code yesterday

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[BreliC]:

any difficulties?

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mac^:

nope

[15:48:38]

[BreliC]:

i tried adding the repo from ftp.nerim.net sid for some deb packages

[15:48:45]

[BreliC]:

but that was causing way too many dependency problems

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mac^:

I didnt use the deps

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mac^:

Because I need xvmc and there are no pre-packaged packages for it

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[BreliC]:

hmm.. i've never compiled mythtv before. anything i should know?

[15:49:46]

mac^:

There is a short dependacy list on the wiki somewhere

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mac^:

that tells you what packages you need to have before the compile can work

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mac^:

Other than that, its easy

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[BreliC]:

did you install from stable or svn?

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mac^:

stable

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qu0zl:

[Brelic] you can also apt-get source mythtv

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qu0zl:

and then recompile the ubuntu debs

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Juski:

apt get build-dep mythtv

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qu0zl:

edit the debs/rule and add the xvmc options to the configure line

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[BreliC]:

Juski, on Dapper?

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mac^:

Took me a while until xvmc was working properly :)

[15:52:38]

[BreliC]:

what is xvmc? is it required?

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qu0zl:

what Juski said will work on dapper [BreliC]

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mac^:

only if you have a specific chipset

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[BreliC]:

qu0zl, didn't think so

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mac^:

and a slow cpu, that is

[15:53:01]

qu0zl:

oh sorry, i thought you needed xvmc. if you don't just use the ubuntu packagfes

[15:53:07]

qu0zl:

they're in either universe or multiverse

[15:53:13]

mac^:

I think its still 0.18

[15:53:27]

qu0zl:

ahh yeah, could well be

[15:53:33]

mac^:

what is the best way to finetune channels?

[15:53:38]

[BreliC]:

but i'm on dapper... can i use the breezy packages?

[15:53:41]

mac^:

(with some sort of preview, how it looks)

[15:53:49]

qu0zl:

there are dapper packages [BreliC]

[15:53:56]

qu0zl:

in universe or multiverse

[15:54:00]

Juski:

mac^ prolly quickest to set livetv going & use mythweb to make the finetune changes

[15:54:10]

qu0zl:

though they're probably .181 like mac^ said. (I use .181 myself happily)

[15:54:16]

[BreliC]:

qu0zl, not that i've found

[15:54:20]

mac^:

Juski: Ahh, can change the channel on the fly?

[15:54:24]

qu0zl:

i've installed them myself [BreliC]

[15:54:26]

[BreliC]:

i have all repos enabled and they're not there

[15:54:27]

[BreliC]:

hmmm

[15:54:31]

mac^:

I mean, the frequency, that is

[15:54:31]

qu0zl:

have you added universe and multiverse?

[15:54:34]

[BreliC]:

yes

[15:54:38]

qu0zl:

one sec

[15:55:06]

[BreliC]:

can you pastebin your sources.list?

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Juski:

mac^: you'll probably have to change channel then go back to see the change

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qu0zl:

sure

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Juski:

it's bollocks that you should even need to finetune in this day & age though :-/

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qu0zl:

http://pastebin.com/605588 [BreliC]

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qu0zl:

its the multiverse line you need if i remember correctly

[15:57:42]

[BreliC]:

qu0zl, thanks

[15:57:50]

qu0zl:

np, good luck with it

[15:58:40]

[BreliC]:

doh! i had multiverse only in backports

[15:58:58]

[BreliC]:

i see them now

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[BreliC]:

i'll try it and be back to tell you if it worked

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jadaz87:

Beirdo nooooo WMA runnnn......

[16:07:13]

Beirdo:

huh?

[16:07:24]

jadaz87:

you use wma format?

[16:07:28]

jadaz87:

ll

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Beirdo:

yes

[16:07:39]

jadaz87:

i really just had a question

[16:07:44]

Beirdo:

because I don't have to add anything at all to the corporate image to use it

[16:08:53]

jadaz87:

i have knoppmyth let i said before on one hard drive if i add another one that has content on it already will knoppmyth automatically add and recognize it?

[16:09:05]

jadaz87:

where i could go into movies and they whould be in there?

[16:09:41]

Merlin83b2:

If you mount it up and change MythVideo's configuration, yes.

[16:11:12]

[BreliC]:

qu0zl, wow, i got a crapload of errors on the mythfilldatabase step

[16:11:18]

[BreliC]:

strange, i had no problems under breezy

[16:11:24]

[BreliC]:

i must have done something wrong

[16:12:06]

jadaz87:

how whould i mount it? because it only tells you how to mount a hard drive for recording on that other wiki

[16:12:49]

Juski:

format it with fdisk, create a FS on it, then add it to your /etc/fstab

[16:13:21]

qu0zl:

hmm [Brelic] different versions of xmltv between the two ubuntu releases? The drapper drake xmltv plugin i use worked fine but breezy was too old and i had to replace it

[16:13:21]

jadaz87:

oh no i already have stuff on it that is the problem

[16:13:39]

Juski:

so

[16:13:44]

qu0zl:

grab the xmltv source, see if the plugin you need works from it, and replace the old one with it if thats the case

[16:13:57]

jadaz87:

if i format it all that content goes away lol

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[BreliC]:

well, it's getting the information just fine, but it is when it writes to the database that it gets strange...

[16:15:21]

[BreliC]:

http://pastebin.com/605626

[16:15:24]

qu0zl:

how so? what are the errors? does it have the correct username/pasword

[16:15:26]

qu0zl:

:)

[16:15:32]

[BreliC]:

that's the general error that keeps happening

[16:15:49]

[BreliC]:

has the correct username/passwd

[16:16:23]

[BreliC]:

i googled something that the new mysql has the word 'repeat' as a reserved word and that might cause a problem, but if you're using the same mysql as i am, then it should be fine

[16:16:33]

qu0zl:

hmm sorry to say no idea [BreliC] :( it looks like it's got a malformed sql query

[16:16:43]

[BreliC]:

crap

[16:16:43]

qu0zl:

if you've no better ideas you could try the latest xmltv source

[16:16:45]

qu0zl:

and hope :)

[16:16:52]

qu0zl:

or if you have the old breezy badger xmltv script try that

[16:17:06]

jadaz87:

juski does knoppmyth support fat32?

[16:17:13]

Juski:

I doubt it

[16:17:20]

Juski:

dump the lame filesystem

[16:17:20]

qu0zl:

well, it'll probably read it

[16:17:28]

[BreliC]:

qu0zl, what do you mean the old breezy script?

[16:17:38]

[BreliC]:

never mind

[16:17:44]

[BreliC]:

:) just realized what you meant

[16:17:47]

qu0zl:

:)

[16:18:00]

jadaz87:

juski well can i convert to ext3 without having to wipe the whole drive?

[16:18:00]

Juski:

not_myth MIGHT read it, if its kernel is configured for it... don't hold yer breath though

[16:18:07]

[BreliC]:

so you compiled xmltv from source?

[16:18:33]

Juski:

jadaz87: you'd be best copying the stuff off the fat32 drive onto something else in the meantime

[16:18:40]

qu0zl:

when i was using breezy i did, and then just replaced the one script i use for my tv source with the new one from the xmltv source

[16:18:42]

** laga slaps juski on the back (with a trout) **

[16:18:51]

qu0zl:

so i basically had ubuntus xmltv, with one replaced script

[16:18:58]

Juski:

burn some DVDs yer lazy arse! ;-)

[16:19:02]

Juski:

morning laga

[16:19:12]

qu0zl:

Juskis right, running linux on fat32 isn't a great idea tbh

[16:19:13]

** Juski cooks the trout & devours it **

[16:19:29]

qu0zl:

if you can save the files to another hd or something so you can wipe it, you'll be better off

[16:19:40]

jadaz87:

that drive is 160GB LOL

[16:19:41]

** stuarta lobs juski a beer **

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Juski:

cheers stuarta.. is it that time already? :-P

[16:19:57]

qu0zl:

heh thats not so bad

[16:20:01]

jadaz87:

i wonder if i can convert with partition magic

[16:20:16]

stuarta:

goes well with trout (and yes, it almost is :)

[16:20:18]

qu0zl:

how full is the drive jad?

[16:20:28]

Juski:

jadaz87: you're still advised to back it up before using that PoS program

[16:20:37]

qu0zl:

if it's less than half, resize the fat32, make a ext2, copy across, then resize the ext2 to full size

[16:21:51]

jadaz87:

no it is filled lol

[16:22:05]

jadaz87:

lets say it was ext3 already

[16:22:15]

jadaz87:

does linux not mount hard drives automatically?

[16:22:33]

jadaz87:

when it checks for new hardware at bootup?

[16:23:13]

Juski:

jadaz87: nope

[16:23:27]

Juski:

checks for new hardware at bootup? eh?

[16:23:36]

Beirdo:

it mounts when you tell it to with /etc/fstab

[16:24:06]

jadaz87:

how do i know what the right information is to put into /etc/fstab?

[16:24:10]

Juski:

half of what is wrong with Windows is what it tries to do for you

[16:24:34]

Juski:

jadaz87: you RTFM for fstab ;-) and absorb some wiki content etc ;-)

[16:24:57]

jadaz87:

what is rtfm?

[16:25:00]

Juski:

it all looks scary at first, but easy to grasp

[16:25:01]

qu0zl:

jadaz87, knoppmyth will take care of most of that for you, but the price you pay for that is letting it do what it wants with your hd. it's not going to be able to work out what to do with a full fat32 drive

[16:25:03]

Como|Lappy:

read the manual

[16:25:11]

Como|Lappy:

;)

[16:25:15]

Beirdo:

JEEZ

[16:25:16]

Como|Lappy:

basically google it

[16:25:27]

Beirdo:

this new laptop's sound card gets WAY louder

[16:25:41]

Como|Lappy:

or man fstab

[16:27:43]

Beirdo:

giving the laptop the Megadeth test

[16:28:04]

Beirdo:

and it's passing with flying colors

[16:28:09]

Como|Lappy:

megadeath teast for my laptop is using it for 6 mos

[16:28:23]

qu0zl:

lads, i just ordered "http://cgi.ebay.com/Silent-Pentium-Mobile-Win . . . ewItem"

[16:28:28]

qu0zl:

dead sexy!

[16:28:34]

Como|Lappy:

this one passedm but its not doing so well after a year

[16:28:35]

Juski:

necrophiliac!

[16:28:36]

qu0zl:

8 kilograms of passively cooling media case

[16:28:48]

jadaz87:

Como | Lappy most of the documentation is directed at advance linux users one of which i am not

[16:28:56]

qu0zl:

the fans on my pvr were doing my head in :))

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Merlin83b2:

I have one of those (the Tranquil T2e)

[16:29:03]

Merlin83b2:

It's excellent.

[16:29:12]

qu0zl:

cool, thats what I just ordered. can't wait

[16:29:14]

qu0zl:

:)

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Como|Lappy:

jadaz87 > pm

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Como|Lappy:

yeesh thats an expensive case

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Juski:

ouchio

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Juski:

you gonna cut the rackmount ears off it?

[16:30:33]

** Como|Lappy <3's his rackmount cse **

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Merlin83b2:

Mine doesn't have rackmount ears.

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qu0zl:

they're unscrewable apparently

[16:31:01]

qu0zl:

heh they betetr be :))

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qu0zl:

or i'll head to the UK with my dremel!

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Como|Lappy:

heh

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Como|Lappy:

dremeling a rackmount takes forever

[16:32:07]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:32:10]

qu0zl:

lol the dremel would be for the tranquilpc salespeople!

[16:32:13]

Beirdo:

get a real drill for doing that

[16:32:27]

Juski:

I've been wondering how much a metal fab. place would charge for making me a new front panel for my silverstone case

[16:32:41]

Beirdo:

probably more than it's worth

[16:33:01]

Juski:

haha. it's not worth what it cost me, that's for sure

[16:33:40]

Como|Lappy:

my htpc is probly gonna be a custom case with 5v 120mm fans

[16:34:08]

Como|Lappy:

bolting heatsinks to the hard drive seems like a terrible idea to me

[16:34:29]

qu0zl:

i dunno, my hd gets worringly hot in my little travala case

[16:34:50]

Como|Lappy:

oh yes, i have 7 or so hard drives that i refuse to run without cooling

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Mobleman:

Which resolution do you run with on your mythboxes?

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stuarta:

given my hdd's are hitting 47c and they are in a big case, heatsinks are a good idea

[16:35:21]

Como|Lappy:

unfortunately the heads also hit pretty hard, and bolting heatsinks seems like it would create that ringing vibrating heatsink noise

[16:35:37]

qu0zl:

it's suspended Como|Lappy to absorb noise

[16:35:43]

** qu0zl crosses fingers it works well **

[16:35:52]

Como|Lappy:

..then how does the heat transfer

[16:35:56]

qu0zl:

i just can't stand fans. i replaced the two in my pvr with 14db ones and they still annoy me

[16:36:01]

qu0zl:

lol good question Como|Lappy :)

[16:36:06]

coffee88:

Juski: which siverstone case do you have?

[16:36:14]

Juski:

lc02

[16:36:18]

Juski:

never again

[16:36:21]

qu0zl:

i assume the heat just transfers into the air around them which with big heatsinks should be a lot better than none

[16:36:24]

coffee88:

wiht an epia inside?

[16:36:26]

qu0zl:

Mobleman, 720x576 for me

[16:36:35]

qu0zl:

i've only sd tv

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Juski:

coffee88: yeh it just swims in there. lol

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coffee88:

Juski: any issues with a pci card and epia in there? Thinking of getting one...

[16:37:29]

Juski:

coffee88: only that you need a right angled riser card

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Mobleman:

qu0zl: sd tv?

[16:37:37]

qu0zl:

standard definition

[16:37:45]

qu0zl:

normal low res 720x576 pal tv

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** coffee88 wonders if it's worth upgrading his case.... **

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Mobleman:

qu0zl: Ahh ok...

[16:38:49]

Como|Lappy:

coffee88, build a custom

[16:38:52]

Como|Lappy:

always worth it

[16:39:13]

coffee88:

in a whisky bottle, maybe?

[16:39:22]

Como|Lappy:

heh, that project was a bit much for me

[16:39:23]

Mobleman:

Which type of television do you use for your MythTV?

[16:39:46]

qu0zl:

a jvc 100hz 28inch widescreen. pretty bogstandard

[16:39:48]

Juski:

panasonic TX32PK1

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** coffee88 thinks the siverstones look nice, if not pricey **

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Juski:

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Como|Lappy:

i dont have a mythbox yet, but ill be using the 8 year old magnavox sitting in the corner when i get to it ;)

[16:40:38]

Juski:

ugh. 4:3 :-(

[16:40:57]

Juski:

oh wait. most non-HD USA TV is still mostly 4:3 isn't it

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coffee88:

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jadaz87:

good day

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coffee88:

bye!

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Mobleman:

qu0zl: I have a tv like that. Does it look okay?

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qu0zl:

mostly. i can't for love nor money get rid of a half inch black on the LHS without going up to 800x600 instead of 720x576 but apart from that it's great. and that's probably my fault anyway

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qu0zl:

it looks the same as without the pvr in the way basically, except for that half inch of black :))

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Juski:

got perfect screen-fit here at 720x576Noscale

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qu0zl:

aye, seems to be peculiar to me :)

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Mobleman:

qu0zl: Is your tv a "picture tube" tv?

[16:45:55]

qu0zl:

yes, crt

[16:46:29]

Mobleman:

ok

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qu0zl:

does your tv have svideo mobleman?

[16:46:55]

Mobleman:

Yea

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qu0zl:

that's what i use to connect

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Mobleman:

qu0zl: With which GFX-card?

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twisted_one:

Hey guys, I just reformatted my mythbox and now whenever I play video its really choppy. I think I just need to change the driver to Xv or something like that, but I cannot find that option anywhere.

[16:48:09]

qu0zl:

an onboard via tv encoder, i've a via epia sp13000

[16:48:26]

qu0zl:

you set the correct server in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

[16:48:29]

qu0zl:

twisted_one,

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twisted_one:

correct server?

[16:48:46]

qu0zl:

driver even, and installed the correct xorg server

[16:48:58]

qu0zl:

it's not still using vesa ?

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twisted_one:

nope

[16:49:25]

twisted_one:

glxgears shows over 2k FPS so my driver is working

[16:50:26]

qu0zl:

if you type 'xvinfo' in a terminal you can see if xv is working

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qu0zl:

if it is, i guess search for an xv option in the setup menus. i thought it defaulted to on tbh

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twisted_one:

screen #0

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twisted_one:

no adaptors present

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twisted_one:

hrmm... wonder what I am missing in xorg.conf

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qu0zl:

check your driver section

[16:52:56]

qu0zl:

make sure it's the right one, then check /var/log/Xorg.log

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qu0zl:

i gotta head, good luck with it twisted one

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twisted_one:

thanks for pointing me in the right direction

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Mobleman:

Does any of you have a mouse for your mythtv

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stuarta:

yes, but only use the keyboard in the frontend

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laga:

nope, mice aren't supported by mythtv

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Juski:

why? that sucks! wah! I wanna use my mouse. screeeeam!

[17:08:22]

Juski:

;-)

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Chicago:

Mobleman: there's a mouse option in the setup... basically it's just good for a couple of the drop down menus in the config... and for clicking on buttons... you can enable it in the setup->appearance...

[17:08:59]

Juski:

someone did a bit of work on mousey support a while ago for SVN code, but it no longer works

[17:09:08]

Chicago:

that sucks...

[17:09:31]

Chicago:

I can still use it on gentoo... which is currently mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1

[17:09:41]

Juski:

yeh well. someone looks forward to someone's patch, presumably

[17:10:07]

twisted_one:

Hrmm, seems that my program guide data offset in time, wonder what I missed...

[17:10:18]

Mobleman:

I just thought if I should by my PVR card with a remote or without...

[17:10:39]

Juski:

you can use the mouse for some stuff – the qt widgets, but not main menu buttons

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jadaz87:

hello i am back again

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Juski:

there's no onscreen playback control buttons anyway

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Mobleman:

oh no

[17:11:28]

jadaz87:

does anyone know how to get a visual file manager through knoppmyth?

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Chicago:

jadaz87: how about samba, and then use a windows xp computer to browse it.

[17:12:02]

Juski:

Mobleman: mythtv is designed to be used with a remote control, from your armchair so why would it have?

[17:13:16]

Mobleman:

Saw a really nice mini-keyboard on CeBIT with a "mouse-joystick" an mouse-buttons on... :P

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jadaz87:

no becaise i need mount it

[17:13:52]

jadaz87:

is there a command that list the physical mount of drives

[17:13:53]

jadaz87:

?

[17:13:57]

twisted_one:

Mobleman: gotta link to it? +)

[17:13:59]

twisted_one:

=)

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Juski:

Mobleman: RE the 'to remote or not remote' depends on whether the capture card is going in a combined FE/BE system or just a BE

[17:14:09]

twisted_one:

jadaz87: mount

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jadaz87:

ok what if i just added a drive after i installed linuc

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Mobleman:

Juski...?

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jadaz87:

and i want to mount it but i do not know /dev/... is

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Juski:

Mobleman: whether you install a remote receiver into your PVR card depends on if it's in a combined front/backend machine or not. if it's just a backend there's no point

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jadaz87:

i think it is listed as /mnt/auto becuase i have not mounted it yet

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Juski:

mnt/auto might be your cd/dvd drive

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Juski:

hdds are usually hda hdb hdc hdd hde etc ;-)

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jadaz87:

oh so what whould be the secondary hard drive if i have two and the first main is already mounted

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Juski:

hdb

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jadaz87:

oh and the partitions are the numbers?

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twisted_one:

Anyone got any ideas my program data is offset by a number of hours? The time shows up correctly on my system, but the data itself is offset

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Juski:

yup

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jadaz87:

like hda1?

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twisted_one:

jadaz87: exactly

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jadaz87:

so if i wanted to mount tha fat32 drive i do

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jadaz87:

mount -t fat32 /dev/hdb1?

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twisted_one:

exactly

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twisted_one:

well

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twisted_one:

and then the point point

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Juski:

you have to tell it where to mount it to, jadaz87

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Juski:

mkdir /mnt/mywindrive

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jadaz87:

so mount -t fat32 /dev/hdb1 /windrive

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Juski:

then mount -t fat32 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mywindrive

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twisted_one:

yes

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jadaz87:

what does the -t flag do?

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Juski:

if it spits out that it can't use that filesystem type you'll have to use a different kernel. heheh

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Juski:

-t is the filesystem type

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Juski:

valid types are determined by what is included in your kernel

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jadaz87:

it says mount point /windrive does not exist

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Juski:

so make the directory

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Juski:

mkdir /windrive

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Juski:

then try mounting it

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Juski:

you cannot mount to a non existent mount point

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jadaz87:

DAMN fat32 not support :-Z

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jadaz87:

:'-(

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Juski:

told you not to hold your breath

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twisted_one:

Juski: any idea why my guide-data would be offset?

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Juski:

yep. you set up mythtv wrongly

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twisted_one:

lol, ok, I figured as much, any idea where I went wrong?

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Juski:

timezone setting, probably

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Juski:

as in linux timezone

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twisted_one:

yeah, I agree, just not sure where to find it...

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twisted_one:

oh hrmm, I might have forgottent o symlink it

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Juski:

twisted_one: that'd do it

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twisted_one:

sure would =P

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twisted_one:

trying that now, thanks for kicking in the right direction. I was too focused on mythsettings

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Juski:

heh

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twisted_one:

bah, that didnt work

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jadaz87:

does anyone know of a linux utility that allows you to convert between two file formats?

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twisted_one:

which two?

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jadaz87:

fat32 and ext3 :-Z

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_Zoom_:

oh, that isn't the file format really...

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twisted_one:

I think you would just have to copy it over to an ext3 part

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twisted_one:

but I dont know if you have the free space to do that.

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jadaz87:

the problem is i need to convert the whole drive

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jadaz87:

yeah i do not :-(

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Merlin83b2:

You can't convert, jadaz87. As has been said, you need to make new partition and copy data.

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jadaz87:

oh ok

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jadaz87:

too bad then

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twisted_one:

ah ha

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twisted_one:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2006-03–16 11:15 and ended on 2006-03–16 11:15. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

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dtm:

Beirdo: did you ever figure out why you got "TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end"

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dtm:

Beirdo: i'm getting those constantly

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Beirdo:

dunno

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dtm:

did it stop?

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twisted_one:

it seems that mythfilldatabase is having trouble connecting to my backend, they are running on the same machine

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Beirdo:

I don't think I was getting those

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Beirdo:

anyways, lunch

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dtm:

Beirdo: you pasted it on jan 16

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Kelerion:

evening all :)

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Juski:

evening Kelerion

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Juski:

you're up & about early

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

well ya know.. gotta make an appearance :)

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Kelerion:

have been sorting out cat fleas all day.. damn they are pesky critters

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Kelerion:

dog fleas are easy.. these bugger just won't die

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dtm:

Kelerion: ya know, i say don't even bother sorting em out. there's no point in organizing them, they don't have names, and they sure can't be reasoned with. just kill em.

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Beirdo:

oh hell

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Beirdo:

like I remember stuff from January

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** kormoc blinks **

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dtm:

Beirdo: ok it looks like it's TFW_DEF_BUF_SIZE

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** kormoc sings the log song... **

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Beirdo:

I barely remember yesterday

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dtm:

which i can't find in 0.19

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kormoc:

'Itttttt rolls down stairs,..'

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dtm:

still grepping

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Kelerion:

dtm. thats the plan... and it's why I can't go into my living room at the moment – set a flea bomb off in there

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I wouldn't be in the house when a flea bomb goes off.

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kormoc:

Fleas would go everywhere!

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dtm:

you'd *really* be blinking then

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dtm:

kormoc: your blinking problem would be exacerbated by the poison

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Kelerion:

these bombs aren't the areasol types you have over there (a-la mythbusters) more like smoke bombs.. you light them and then get out for a couple of hours

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Kelerion:

although you do have a point.. I didn't think of them evacuating

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dtm:

yeah don't you have to do the whole house coz the fleas will flee

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kormoc:

dtm, your eyes much be very dry if you think blinking is a problem :P

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Beirdo:

you could ask the IRA to do it tomorrow...

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dtm:

kormoc: if i was blinking so consciously and/or compulsively that it affected my typing, i'd consider seeking help

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Kelerion:

bomb my house? it's market value might be deterioted if it has no walls though

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

good point

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Kelerion:

or is that "built in air-conditioning"?

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dtm:

it'd have to be some pretty compulsive and/or violent blinking to move clear to my fingertips in a verbally concerted format

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Beirdo:

"open air concept"

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Kelerion:

lol

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Kelerion:

" the new breed in open plan design"

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kormoc:

dtm, haha, fair nuff

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dtm:

holy crap i hope i can just recompile this one file when changing ThreadedFileWriter.cpp, because it takes 7 hours to compile all of mythtv here

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dtm:

i'm gonna increase the write buffer by a factor of 4

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Beirdo:

maybe you should increase your CPU by a factor of 4 :)

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Beirdo:

or at least get ccache running :)

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dtm:

if i change TFW_DEF_BUF_SIZE in ThreadedFileWriter.cpp, do i i need to rebuild more than just that file?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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kormoc:

dtm, if the rest of the files are .o files, likely not

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kormoc:

meaning if you already compiled it once

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dtm:

none of them contain that variable

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dtm:

that's the only file that contains that variable

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dtm:

but i don't know if that value somehow transfers

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kormoc:

dtm, sure, but .o files are already compiled and ready to link, .c files need compiling to .o before linking

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kormoc:

dtm, make will figure all that out

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dtm:

do i also need to delete the final binaries such as mythbackend?

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dtm:

in order for make to detect a need to relink it

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kormoc:

dtm, shouldn't need to, but wouldn't hurt

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astra-x:

http://www.supergooddeal.com/ProductDetails.a . . . ;Click=17583

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astra-x:

has anyone had any luck with a chipset like that?

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dtm:

so sad to have cool shows totally destroyed by mythtv ^_^

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kormoc:

astra-x, sure, likely will work with the bttv driver, but keep in mind, it's a frame grabber, so it uses the cpu to encode the video (lots of cpu power required) and tends to look a bit worse then the hardware encoder cards.

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twisted_one:

My guide data is still offset, the time is correct, date shows that I am set to CST (Centeral Standard Time). I set the offset to auto as well as -0630 and I am still not seeing the correct data.

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astra-x:

that is the difference from a 70 dollar card as to a 20 dollar card

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astra-x:

anyone know of a good card they recommend besides the hd-3000

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kormoc:

astra-x, for standard def analog tv, a pvr 150 or 500 is the most common

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Juski:

it's time...

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dtm:

shouldn't i have the largest possible nfs buffer for my ringbuffer too? 32768kB instead of 4096?

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dtm:

or is that totally redundant?

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timekllr:

anyone with a sec to answer some hd3000 questions ?

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astra-x:

pvr150 is the happauge card?

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timekllr:

pvr150/250/350/500 are all hauppauge cards

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astra-x:

gotcha

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dtm:

ha! g++ is taking no cpu but ld is taking 77MB of RAM

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astra-x:

any other inexpensive recomendations?

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dtm:

at the final linking of libmythtv

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timekllr:

astra-x: if you have a cable box with firewire out, that is really cheap

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astra-x:

negative on that, timekllr

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Kelerion:

the pvr150 is about as cheap as you can get with decent quality

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Kelerion:

just look about for a good deal.. or try ebay

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timekllr:

nobody has experience with an hd3000 card ?

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Kelerion:

timekllr: not me

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Kelerion:

no real HD in the UK

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McLane:

hello there ;)

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ftp4:

hey, when i click on "play dvd" nothing happens. how do I troubleshoot that?

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Kelerion:

run frontend from a console

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uiuiuiu:

hello

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uiuiuiu:

can someone tell me what mythMusic is using in the background?

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uiuiuiu:

ie is it maybe mplayer?

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Kelerion:

libmad I believe.. but don't quote me

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Kelerion:

at least when it cna't play something thats what complains

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ftp4:

kelerion, how do I "run frontend"?

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uiuiuiu:

okay. i think i'm looking for a way to have mplayer handle audio files in this case...

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Kelerion:

in a console type mythfrontend!

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ftp4:

heh :-) thanks

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armand:

i think this channel needs a quotes bot

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armand:

<ftp4> kelerion, how do I "run frontend"?

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armand:

would be an excellent addition

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ftp4:

running that just restarts mythtv

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** Kelerion gives in and goes for dinner **

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kormoc:

uiuiuiu, mythmusic doesn't launch an external player to play the music

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bagleabuse:

when you download data from datadirect and it says its a movie, does it know what year it was made from data direct? is it parsed out?

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kal_:

plop

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Beirdo:

ahhhh. debug logs will now have thread name

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achew22:

yay!

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** Beirdo is a geek **

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** achew22 high fives Beirdo because he doesn't' know what that means! **

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Beirdo:

well, in debugging mode, the bot's debug log contained sourcefile, line number, function

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Beirdo:

I added thread name

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achew22:

ooh

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Beirdo:

which was a pain

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kal_:

i have a problem with mythweather, i cant select any option in his screen (like celcious / faraneight, town etc)

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Beirdo:

but makes debugging easier

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kal_:

the test isnt colored :/

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kormoc:

Beirdo, thead name or pid?

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kal_:

seems to be a bug

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Beirdo:

thread name

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** kormoc didn't know you could name a thread **

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Beirdo:

which I register when I create the thread :)

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kormoc:

ooh! hehe :P

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Beirdo:

as I said, it was a bit of a pain

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Beirdo:

2006-Mar-16 13:41:53.339440 Added Thread 32771 as "thread_notify"

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Beirdo:

for instance

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achew22:

ooh...

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kormoc:

gotcha

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achew22:

berido is this an eggdrop or from scratch?

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Beirdo:

from scratch

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achew22:

good work

[18:45:10]

Beirdo:

screw eggdrop :)

[18:45:20]

achew22:

I hate eggdrop... I wrote one from scratch too

[18:45:37]

Beirdo:

using the poorly named botnet C library

[18:45:51]

Beirdo:

not at ALL related to the nasty-ass botnet that kills servers

[18:46:06]

achew22:

ohh... I didn't — I used winsock then parsed everything

[18:46:11]

Beirdo:

win!?

[18:46:12]

Beirdo:

heh

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achew22:

it was painfull

[18:46:19]

Beirdo:

you poor guy

[18:46:29]

Beirdo:

this is a pthreads program, runs in Linux

[18:46:32]

achew22:

its okay when I wrote my mailclient I wrote a good wraper for it

[18:47:07]

achew22:

you wrote this in python?

[18:47:10]

Beirdo:

root 5551 0.0 1.0 11136 1220 pts/3 S+ 13:41 0:00 ./beirdobot

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Beirdo:

in C

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Beirdo:

screw python

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dtm:

okay so that got rid of the errors in the log, but the stream still skips@*%@#

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achew22:

what does pthreads have to do with this

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Beirdo:

using 1.2MB resident

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Beirdo:

what does pthreads have to do with python?

[18:47:49]

Beirdo:

pthreads is the POSIX Threading library

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achew22:

usualy when p is preappended to words it means python perl or some other p thing

[18:48:04]

achew22:

I don't code for postix

[18:48:10]

Hoxzer:

but what do you guys think

[18:48:15]

achew22:

about what?

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Hoxzer:

shoudl I help somebody?

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Beirdo:

of course you should

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Beirdo:

:)

[18:48:35]

achew22:

i'm with Beirdo on this one

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Beirdo:

BRB

[18:48:49]

Hoxzer:

do you think that helping peapol is the way to get some respect?

[18:49:29]

armand:

no, more like a headache

[18:49:38]

kal_:

nobody has a problem with MythWeather 0.19 ?

[18:49:44]

achew22:

I haven't

[18:49:45]

armand:

kal: nope.

[18:50:02]

achew22:

is backend supposed to be running when you fill the database?

[18:50:12]

armand:

yes

[18:50:14]

kal_:

achew22: yep i think

[18:50:29]

achew22:

damnit — I did 5 min of download to have it fail...

[18:50:36]

kal_:

armand: mine doesnt display color on text, i cant select anything

[18:50:43]

kal_:

so i cant configure the location :/

[18:50:57]

armand:

that sucks

[18:51:01]

kal_:

indeed

[18:51:02]

kal_:

:/

[18:51:17]

achew22:

are you pushing enter or right to change the selector

[18:51:24]

kal_:

tried both

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achew22:

did you try kicking it?

[18:51:54]

kal_:

kicking ?

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kal_:

what do u mean ?

[18:52:07]

Kelerion:

use the tried and tested method – stick your head outta the window... since when has weather prediction been accurate anyways?

[18:52:08]

achew22:

look down... its an appendage on your body....

[18:52:32]

achew22:

should I put dapper?

[18:52:32]

kal_:

lol

[18:52:39]

achew22:

on my box

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ftp4:

hmm, so if i just run mplayer from xwin (i installed mythtv from knoppmyth) nothing happens.. isnt there some kind of error file?

[18:53:20]

armand:

on that note

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armand:

goin to lunch!

[18:53:26]

armand:

=]

[18:53:31]

achew22:

yay lunch

[18:53:36]

achew22:

i cant afford lunch :(

[18:53:50]

laga:

skip straight to dinner then

[18:54:05]

achew22:

good idea

[18:54:36]

dtm:

the only thing that ever made my recording time video skip before was when mythcommflag was running during recording because it's stored via 10Mbps ethernet

[18:54:56]

achew22:

owch....

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dtm:

and now the systems are completely unloaded

[18:55:13]

dtm:

before today, it was good enough when i simply renamed mythcommflag.

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Beirdo:

back

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

dtm: you should really use switched ethernet

[18:57:53]

Beirdo:

half-duplex sucketh

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dtm:

Beirdo: i am.

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Beirdo:

OK, try to push less than 10mbit :)

[18:59:07]

Beirdo:

hehe

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dtm:

i am. :)

[18:59:18]

dtm:

it's 2.5 Mbps

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achew22:

does anyone have any experience with mythstream?

[19:00:05]

dtm:

unloaded lan, unloaded backend, unloaded frontend. why is my recording permanently skipping?!

[19:00:37]

Beirdo:

what CPU?

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dtm:

Beirdo: unloaded ones!

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Beirdo:

whatever

[19:02:19]

dtm:

backend is 233 MHz g3; frontend is 1300 MHz duron

[19:02:29]

Beirdo:

so..

[19:02:35]

Beirdo:

underpowered and underpowered

[19:02:36]

Beirdo:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

the frontend won't be unloaded when playing video, especially if it's MPEG4

[19:03:36]

Beirdo:

my Sempron 2200+ pegs on SDTV sometimes with MPEG2 playback

[19:03:48]

dtm:

not underpowered in the slightest

[19:03:53]

Beirdo:

and MPEG4 takes more CPU to play

[19:03:54]

dtm:

and never having had a problem before today.

[19:04:11]

dtm:

not since i disabled mythcommflag

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dtm:

it's only a recording problem, not a playback problem, as playing mpeg2 could never go beyond 33% cpu

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dtm:

the backend cpu will never go above 8% utilization

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Beirdo:

yes it could go beyond 33% if you include X usage

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dtm:

tcpdump shows no more than about 10% lan usage

[19:06:18]

dtm:

Beirdo: no. it doesnt.

[19:06:25]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:06:32]

dtm:

the cpu is by far mostly idle

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dtm:

at all times

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Beirdo:

if it's a recording problem, the chances are your backend is too wussie

[19:06:54]

Beirdo:

in IO or something

[19:06:54]

dtm:

no, that's not a chance

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dtm:

as it's worked fine for 2 months

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Beirdo:

well, have fun then

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dtm:

in fact it's worked fine all week even after upgrading to mythtv 0.19

[19:08:03]

dtm:

no variables have changed to my knowledge

[19:08:39]

dtm:

i'll try rebooting in case it's a driver problem

[19:09:43]

Juski:

well that was a perfect way to ruin a perfectly good day. fucking clueless delivery arseholes. I wasn't in when they tried to deliver, so I'll be having to pay another £5 + VAT for another attempt. I pity their receptionist tomorrow.

[19:10:15]

Beirdo:

gonna ship em a box of dog turds?

[19:10:49]

achew22:

J-e-f-f-A are you still in the room

[19:11:03]

achew22:

nope — nevermind

[19:11:30]

Juski:

Beirdo: I'm gonna ship em a 6 pack of whoop-ass, for sure

[19:12:06]

kormoc:

Juski, whoopass is just about the same taste as red bull

[19:12:20]

laga:

kormoc: really? that would be too cruel

[19:12:40]

kormoc:

laga, don't underestimate the power of redbull and vodka!

[19:13:34]

Juski:

well they still come in cheaper than anyone else, but I'm still gonna rant a lot

[19:14:06]

Beirdo:

don't underestimate the power of a box of over-ripe dog turds to express your dissatisfaction

[19:14:28]

Beirdo:

that reminds me

[19:14:37]

Beirdo:

I need to get pricing from UPS and FedEx

[19:15:15]

Juski:

heheh. I can collect them from outside my door.. oops.. not since I put my cameras up

[19:15:43]

Beirdo:

shut the cameras off... have technical difficulties :)

[19:16:48]

Juski:

another good thing about having cctv – keeps the turds at bay ;-)

[19:17:28]

Beirdo:

good thing :)

[19:18:24]

laga:

fuck. i'm a moron. when i wanted to shut down my mythtv box, i accidentally logged onto my server. and i didn't even notice for half an hour...

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Juski:

we have a bye-law prohibiting the filth.. and if I catch anyone letting their dog do its biz I'll send photos to the council :-D

[19:18:41]

Juski:

muhahahahahhahahaha

[19:18:50]

twisted_one:

Hey guys, I have been playing with this all day. I cannot figure out why my tv listings appear to be offset by a number of hours. Its 1pm and they appear to be from early morning right now. I have set the offset to auto as well as set it manually t -0600. I have my /etc/localtime setup correctly. Any ideas on what else could cause this?

[19:19:47]

twisted_one:

they appear to be from around 6am

[19:20:17]

twisted_one:

actually 7

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twisted_one:

so they are offset by six hours

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Beirdo:

in all your messing around, did you restart your backend to see the changes?

[19:20:45]

twisted_one:

yes

[19:20:53]

Beirdo:

dunno if it's necessary any more though

[19:21:04]

twisted_one:

the one thing that I think might be causing this when I re-run mythfilldatabase I get this...

[19:21:45]

twisted_one:

(lost the buffer, re running it now to get the message)

[19:22:17]

twisted_one:

===============================================================

[19:22:17]

twisted_one:

| Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. |

[19:22:17]

twisted_one:

| If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when |

[19:22:17]

twisted_one:

| the master backend is restarted. |

[19:22:17]

twisted_one:

===============================================================

[19:22:32]

Beirdo:

dunno

[19:22:35]

dtm:

that's pretty

[19:22:36]

** kormoc restarts his master backend. **

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twisted_one:

this is soo weird

[19:22:51]

** Beirdo restarts kormoc with a trout **

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twisted_one:

Any ideas whatsoever? this is really got me confused.

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Beirdo:

does date from a console show the right date and timezone?

[19:24:03]

twisted_one:

yes

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twisted_one:

mythril mmschnei # date

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twisted_one:

Thu Mar 16 13:24:07 CST 2006

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Beirdo:

maybe dump your programs database and re-fill

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twisted_one:

ok I dont know mysql at all, how do I do that?

[19:24:57]

Beirdo:

if you changed the timezone since that stuff was grabbed, that could be the issue

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twisted_one:

I ahve

[19:25:18]

Beirdo:

Hmmm

[19:25:26]

Beirdo:

truncate table programs;

[19:25:27]

Beirdo:

I think

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twisted_one:

I was hoping that regrabbing it would work, but I think that it sees the same data, and just the offset as a var

[19:25:31]

Beirdo:

xris?

[19:25:44]

Beirdo:

well, if the data's still there, it won't grab

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twisted_one:

ok

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kormoc:

TRUNCATE TABLE programs; or DELETE FROM programs; will both clear out the table

[19:26:46]

twisted_one:

hrmm, that tosses a syntax error

[19:26:49]

kormoc:

TRUCATE is faster by a little.

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twisted_one:

ok thanks kormoc i'll give that a try

[19:27:21]

Beirdo:

I always just do it in phpmyadmin

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Beirdo:

heh

[19:27:35]

Beirdo:

just wanted to make sure my syntax was right :)

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xris:

Beirdo: ?

[19:28:58]

Beirdo:

never mind, your minion helped :)

[19:29:08]

xris:

oh. good minion.

[19:29:08]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:29:21]

Beirdo:

how's it going today?

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twisted_one:

mysql> DELETE FROM programs;

[19:29:45]

twisted_one:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.programs' doesn't exist

[19:29:55]

Beirdo:

people say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes, yeah

[19:29:58]

xris:

sorry, still dealing with the aftermath of the colo migration

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twisted_one:

hrmm, same thing with truncate

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[19:30:03]

Beirdo:

um, try program

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Beirdo:

rather than programs. I think that was a typo on my part

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twisted_one:

ok, that wroked

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twisted_one:

thanks

[19:30:35]

** Beirdo apologizes **

[19:30:38]

twisted_one:

s' ok

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twisted_one:

=)

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Beirdo:

xris: ah, yes, those can be tiring

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twisted_one:

I am at the end of my rope on this, so I'll take whatever I can get =P

[19:31:14]

xris:

Beirdo: not so bad.. a lot of stuff I've been wanting to do for ages (since the move means we upgraded to php/mysql 5)

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Beirdo:

eek

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kormoc:

not a fan?

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Beirdo:

I'm not a fan of upgrading :)

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kormoc:

heh, the features make it workthwile :)

[19:33:40]

Beirdo:

too many things to fix after :)

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kormoc:

ahh, we already have them all fixed :)

[19:34:02]

Beirdo:

cool

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** Beirdo is enjoying Paul Simon – Graceland once again **

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ftp4:

so anyway... can anyone assist me in fixing my mplayer? its on a knoppmyth install..

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xris:

Beirdo: we have a very healthy dev cycle... been running 5 on the dev server for months, and 4 on the old dev server to maintain compatibility....

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

code was running in backwards-compatible mode for months, so now we can FINALLY start using the new db/php stuff (ooooh, subqueries)

[19:37:46]

Beirdo:

my PVR is still on mysql 3.whateverCameWithFC1

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twisted_one:

Oh when I watch TV there is a little line at the top, that is one scanline of static, is the the overscan that is alloted on most tvs?

[19:38:23]

meushi:

twisted_one: overscan probably

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twisted_one:

What is the best way to remove that?

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Beirdo:

ignoring it works :)

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meushi:

hehe

[19:39:08]

twisted_one:

I have for a while now, just wondering if there was an easy fix

[19:39:15]

Beirdo:

probably tweaking your overscan settings a bit

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meushi:

twisted_one: I had that when my capture resolution was wrong

[19:39:39]

meushi:

but it was more than 1 line :)

[19:39:42]

twisted_one:

I'll poke around and see what I can figure out

[19:40:05]

twisted_one:

hoping this mythfilldatabase finishes soo so I can test it out =)

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meushi:

talking of mythfilldatabase, any user of tv_grab_fr here?

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twisted_one:

YES, my data is correct, thanks guys!

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Beirdo:

enjoy :)

[19:44:45]

twisted_one:

and that overscan was an easy fix, you guys rock =)

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_mac:

Hi.. my picture in mythtv (and all other programs) show some "snow" – ie the picture is not clear.. is there any way I can boost picture quality?

[19:47:23]

dtm:

_mac: make sure your cable is screwed in or whatever

[19:47:41]

_mac:

I have that ;)

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laga:

try one of the denoising filters

[19:48:51]

_mac:

Where do I find them, exactly?

[19:49:28]

laga:

take a look at the docs

[19:49:43]

_mac:

found the wiki page

[19:49:44]

_mac:

thanks

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Juski:

try fine tuning your trout

[19:52:03]

Juski:

tuner.. thingy.. whatever

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Fredde87:

anyone know the url for the ftp site which has alla tar files of every single little pacakge needed by mythtv? I cant seem to find it, I dont know if you know what site I am talking about but I found it a couple of months ago and its very good since you dont need to search everywhere for all the stuff needed.

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Juski:

Fredde87: are you by any chance thinking of the MythTV based distro they call Knoppmyth ?

[19:58:30]

Fredde87:

no

[19:58:36]

Kelerion:

atrpms?

[19:58:41]

Fredde87:

no nothing like that

[19:58:46]

Fredde87:

the tar files with the source

[19:58:59]

Fredde87:

probebly is I am running netbsd, otherwise its easy to install mythtv

[19:59:15]

Fredde87:

but its a hassle to find every single source package for mythtv

[19:59:24]

kormoc:

Fredde87, there isn't anything like that. You can get the sourc eto myth in one place, but the libarys are just too many to gatther together and keep updated

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Fredde87:

they werent updated, when I found it 0.19 wasnt released so all the packages was stable once that worked together and functioned with 0.18

[20:00:27]

laga:

umm, mythtv doesn't have many dependencies

[20:00:34]

Beirdo:

doesn't nearly every distro provide some method of resolving dependancies anyways?

[20:00:50]

Fredde87:

yes but I am running bsd

[20:00:51]

kormoc:

laga, I think he wants all the depends of the depends and so on down the chain

[20:00:59]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:01:02]

Beirdo:

well have fun then

[20:01:06]

laga:

wow, heh

[20:01:08]

kormoc:

Fredde87, and you can't just install them via the bsd package manager?

[20:01:12]

Fredde87:

there is for bsd as well but bsd isnt made for running myth

[20:01:19]

Juski:

the blue screen of death distro? ;-)

[20:01:21]

_mac:

Hmm, I tried the invert filter .. however, it does not show in livetv.. anything I am doing wrong?

[20:01:22]

kormoc:

laga, by my quick count is about 145 packages.

[20:01:30]

Fredde87:

kormoc nope it pkgsrc doesnt feature most of them

[20:01:40]

Beirdo:

use... linux...

[20:01:41]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:02:28]

Fredde87:

just like kormoc said I need the dependencies for the dependencies. Netbsd comes with nothing at all

[20:02:33]

Fredde87:

not even ssh comes standard

[20:02:38]

Beirdo:

so don't use netbsd

[20:02:46]

Fredde87:

thats not very helpful :P

[20:02:51]

kormoc:

sure it is

[20:02:56]

Beirdo:

seriously, if you are using it for mythtv, Linux is the way to go

[20:02:59]

dtm:

Fredde87: yes actually that's the most helpful thing anyone could say to a netbsd user.

[20:03:00]

Fredde87:

I wont change dist just for myth, I'd rather hunt down all 200 packages

[20:03:07]

kormoc:

myth was designed for linux, it's not gonna be easy for a os it wasn't designed for

[20:03:14]

Beirdo:

if you wanna get it working under netbsd, you have a LOT of downloading to do

[20:03:23]

dtm:

and probably a lot of porting to do

[20:03:33]

Beirdo:

likely

[20:03:35]

dtm:

and a lot of apologizing to do

[20:03:48]

dtm:

as you try to drag other people through the mud to support your pointless mission

[20:03:48]

Beirdo:

although for frontend only, the porting should be minimal

[20:04:01]

Beirdo:

for backend use, use Linux

[20:04:05]

kormoc:

Fredde87, you have tuner drivers for your tuner card that works under bsd?

[20:04:06]

Beirdo:

full stop

[20:04:18]

Fredde87:

kormoc yes

[20:04:29]

kormoc:

Fredde87, and they give out a video 4 linux interface?

[20:04:46]

Fredde87:

no because its dvb

[20:05:04]

kormoc:

does it provide a dvb interfacet that myth will understand?

[20:05:09]

Fredde87:

yes

[20:05:13]

kormoc:

how do you know?

[20:05:39]

Fredde87:

or I would think, same (but compiled under netbsd) module which I have used in knoppmyth

[20:05:54]

Fredde87:

no way to know without trying :P

[20:05:58]

kormoc:

Fredde87, that's unlikely. the BSD kernel and the linux kernel afre very different

[20:06:01]

dtm:

yes actually there is

[20:06:03]

Beirdo:

!trout Fredde87

[20:06:03]

** MythLogBot slaps Fredde87 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[20:06:03]

dtm:

it won't.

[20:06:06]

dtm:

coz that's insane.

[20:06:16]

Beirdo:

have fun :)

[20:06:33]

_mac:

Are the filters working in livetv? I don't seem to get them to work

[20:06:34]

Fredde87:

mythtv 0.11 is avaiable in pkgsrc so I dont se why 0.19 wouldnt be possbile to get to run

[20:06:44]

Beirdo:

when you're all done, installing Gentoo would be a lot easier

[20:06:50]

dtm:

Fredde87: then you didn't read this conversation

[20:06:53]

Beirdo:

and still BSD-like (ish)

[20:06:55]

kormoc:

Fredde87, ooh, maybe a few yeasrs of development going off in a different direction...

[20:07:02]

Fredde87:

:P

[20:07:11]

Fredde87:

I know there is a big difference in 0.11 and 0.19

[20:07:17]

Fredde87:

im just saying that it isnt impossible

[20:07:25]

dtm:

Fredde87: and we're just saying that it is.

[20:07:29]

dtm:

obviously.

[20:07:32]

Fredde87:

you wont get anywhere if people just give up and dont even try

[20:07:35]

kormoc:

Fredde87, and given noone has compiled myth for netbsd yet, so you're gonna likely have to code a few fixes...

[20:07:36]

Beirdo:

it may not be impossible

[20:07:44]

dtm:

yeah, you will. you'll get on a real OS that works.

[20:07:47]

Beirdo:

but it's gonna be a lot of work.

[20:07:47]

Fredde87:

i'd rather spend a week fiddling with it and learning stuff than just give up without trying

[20:07:59]

Beirdo:

netbsd works fine, dtm

[20:08:08]

dtm:

Beirdo: not with linux kernel interfaces!

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dtm:

which is what we're talking about

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kormoc:

Fredde87, given you think linux and bsd use the same kernel modules, I think likely the coding required to get myth working will be beyond your skill level at the moment.

[20:09:10]

Fredde87:

the bsd kernel supports my dvb box

[20:09:16]

drdaz:

hello all... running 0.19-fixes... recently bookmarking recordings has stopped working for me... anybody else finding the same?

[20:09:18]

Fredde87:

so I just compiled that module and then used the fw file for it

[20:09:22]

kormoc:

Fredde87, but likely not in the same way linux does...

[20:09:23]

Fredde87:

and it was detected

[20:09:31]

kormoc:

Fredde87, and myth requires the linux style...

[20:09:35]

dtm:

i've never heard of a netbsd user having a different mindset. it'll work because they declared it to be so, and they'll enjoy bludgeoning themselves, and anyone else within reach, to death in the process of proving that it doesn't.

[20:09:42]

kormoc:

Fredde87, that's like saying windows supports blah, why doesn't linux

[20:09:46]

Fredde87:

dont se why I would have to write my own module when there is one in the netbsd kernel?

[20:09:59]

kormoc:

Fredde87, no, likely you'd need to write in bsd support into mythtv

[20:10:01]

dtm:

Fredde87: yes and your inability to see that is the problem

[20:10:16]

dtm:

linux dvb != bsd dvb

[20:10:29]

Fredde87:

ok I am sorry to have brought this up

[20:10:32]

dtm:

they're kernel interfaces. if they had the same kernel interfaces, they'd be either microkernels or forks of each other.

[20:10:47]

laga:

don't kill the boy, please (or at least hide the body afterwards)

[20:11:11]

Kelerion:

personally.. I think it's admirable he's willing to take it on.. even if he's not completely aware of how big a job it will be

[20:11:29]

Fredde87:

I probebly wont succed but hopefully I will learn something

[20:11:39]

kormoc:

ooh, I'm not saying not to try, but just saying it's a very big task

[20:11:44]

Fredde87:

I dont see why people have to start bashing because they dont think its possible

[20:11:47]

kormoc:

and google is full of people tring and failing.

[20:11:51]

Beirdo:

I wish you luck, Fredde87. Have a bottle of Motrin IB to keep you company, you will have headaches

[20:11:53]

kormoc:

Fredde87, we're not bashing... least I'm not.

[20:11:56]

Fredde87:

I respect your opinions that I wont succed and I wont argue against it

[20:11:59]

Kelerion:

failing.. but still learning by failing

[20:12:00]

Fredde87:

but why cant I try+

[20:12:16]

kormoc:

Fredde87, but you're gonna have to start a bit lower then you think, tis all

[20:13:20]

dtm:

Fredde87: you get static because you WERE arguing against it, baselessly. you were asserting nonsense as fact.

[20:13:27]

dtm:

that's not really a surprise

[20:13:42]

Kelerion:

I had the same issue thinking I could get a pvr250 to overlay an external audio stream... it's not *technically* impossible but I learnt a lot about it while I failed miserably :)

[20:13:53]

dtm:

and asking why you can't try is simply whining, and is covered in ESR's howto on asking smart questions without pissing people off ^_^

[20:14:11]

Beirdo:

dtm: you need some Valium

[20:14:14]

Beirdo:

chill dude

[20:14:21]

Fredde87:

ok Im sorry dtm

[20:14:29]

dtm:

Beirdo: i'm not in the least unchilled. i'm literally answering his question

[20:14:44]

dtm:

it's not bashing, berating, or insulting

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dtm:

and is, in itself, covered in that howto

[20:16:15]

** Beirdo desires booze **

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kormoc:

you do have a bottle of 151 to finish off!

[20:17:01]

** meushi dccs some Umeshu to Beirdo **

[20:17:02]

Beirdo:

it's at home

[20:17:44]

Beirdo:

and I won't finish that bottle

[20:17:45]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:17:57]

Beirdo:

that's enough booze to kill me

[20:18:12]

Beirdo:

or make me wish it did

[20:18:17]

laga:

if it won't kill you, it'll make you harder. and helluva drunk.

[20:18:30]

Beirdo:

750ml of 75.5% alcohol?

[20:18:33]

Beirdo:

that would kill me

[20:18:38]

laga:

i don't think i've had a beer in the last two weeks

[20:18:44]

laga:

yeah, ok. it could kill you ;)

[20:18:56]

Beirdo:

OK, there's 2 shots missing

[20:18:58]

Beirdo:

but still

[20:19:05]

kormoc:

hehe

[20:19:19]

Beirdo:

it's good stuff. makes normal rum taste like water after

[20:19:24]

laga:

well, 0,5l of 40% alcohol didn't kill me, and you have a little bit more weight than my 70kg ;) (or 60 at that time)

[20:19:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:19:53]

drdaz:

I'm running 0.19-fixes... recently bookmarking recordings has stopped working for me... anybody else finding the same?

[20:20:04]

Beirdo:

I've drank > 750ml of 40% in an evening before

[20:20:11]

Beirdo:

was still drunk the next morning

[20:20:16]

_Zoom_:

yuck

[20:20:24]

Beirdo:

yummy rum

[20:20:37]

Beirdo:

yummy vodka too

[20:20:42]

laga:

yummy tea

[20:20:49]

Beirdo:

jagertee?

[20:20:58]

laga:

nein, fenchel

[20:21:01]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[20:21:06]

Beirdo:

Ooooh

[20:21:20]

Beirdo:

I need to make gluhwein before I move

[20:21:23]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:21:44]

Beirdo:

1.5L of that is good drinkin

[20:22:03]

meushi:

'tis no longer gluhwein season, normally

[20:22:11]

Beirdo:

still cold enough

[20:22:22]

Beirdo:

but yeah, end of the season

[20:22:39]

Beirdo:

I have to find my spice mix list

[20:22:40]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:23:24]

Beirdo:

wehn we got back from Vienna Dec 2001, my friend and I experimented until we got the taste to very nearly approximate what we drank on the streets of Vienna

[20:23:28]

Beirdo:

red only

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meushi:

then again... even outside the season... as long as it freezes/snows

[20:23:34]

Beirdo:

never bothered with the white

[20:23:58]

Beirdo:

and with about 30 bottles of Merlot around....

[20:23:59]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:24:40]

Beirdo:

yummy

[20:24:51]

Beirdo:

make packing a whole lot more fun too

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meushi:

I'll try the next time I move

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Rsx024:

have any of you guys got an hd-3000 workin with a cable signal?

[20:27:32]

laga:

i wish. i only saw my first hdtv stream last weekend, and boy, it rocked

[20:28:59]

Rsx024:

yea when get my box functioning properly i wanna take it to my brothers house were he has sony hdtv

[20:29:19]

Rsx024:

at this rate it may take me a year to get this thing working correctly

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laga:

heh. we boughta sony bravia or however they're quite called. it's a nice TV

[20:32:17]

Rsx024:

those are sweet looking tv's

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris how hard would it be to implement a function in mythweb that would allow you to specify what tuner you wanted to record on?

[20:34:14]

Beirdo:

SlicerDicer-: wasn't that asked yesterday?

[20:34:29]

Beirdo:

there's no support for that in the backend yet is there?

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: no I did not ask that nor did I see it asked ;-)

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Beirdo:

someone asked

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Rsx024:

i just dont get it when i installed my pvr-150 it seems like my hd-3000 just stop functioning all together i only get static

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meushi:

damn... not my day for grabbers

[20:49:47]

Rsx024:

would you guys suggest knoppmyth for some one who doesnt really know linux or is it better to maybe try some thing like ubuntu or fedora4

[20:50:56]

Juski:

you won't necessarily learn much by using ubuntu or knoppmyth – do you want to learn linux or just get mythtv running?

[20:51:45]

Juski:

ubuntu is prolly better than knoppmyth because it has a nice balance of doing stuff for you & making you learn some things

[20:51:54]

Juski:

(IMHO)

[20:52:34]

Rsx024:

i see

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laga:

if you wanna learn, go got slackware ;)

[20:53:46]

Rsx024:

lol thats what i was told i tried installing debian a while back what a nightmare for a noob like myself

[20:53:58]

Juski:

blindly following a howto I got ubuntu & mythtv working in about 2 hours

[20:54:20]

laga:

Juski: you still follow howtos? ;)

[20:54:23]

Juski:

I could watch & record TV.. everything else adds a little more time

[20:54:27]

Juski:

I did for umbongo

[20:54:38]

Juski:

pays to RTFM ;-)

[20:54:56]

laga:

heh ;)

[20:55:35]

Rsx024:

i knew that installing knoppmyth i would run into some snags but damn this is not how it was made out to be lol

[20:56:18]

Juski:

yeh they make out like it's some kind of automagical cure-all don't they

[20:56:24]

meushi:

hehe

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Rsx024:

lol

[20:56:59]

Juski:

snake oil would be a better description IMHO

[20:57:24]

Rsx024:

like i said i knew i would run into "snags" but i had my hd-3000 recievin some cable channels and then my pvr-150 came in the mail i install it and now all iget from the hd is static

[20:57:26]

Juski:

don't get me wrong, I bet thousands of people have installed knoppmyth & got it working real easy, but it's not for everyone

[20:57:44]

Rsx024:

yea i envy those setups :)

[20:57:49]

Rsx024:

after all this time

[20:58:04]

meushi:

anyone using tv_grab_fr and/or tv_grab_nl and/or tv_grabe_de awake?

[20:58:27]

Juski:

well, I'll wager that the pvr150 install has inserted some kernel modules which aren't compatible with your hd-3000 card, Rsx024

[20:58:42]

meushi:

Juski: I tried knoppmyth twice... it almost put me off myth twice...

[20:58:52]

Juski:

meushi: same here

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Rsx024:

yea thats what im kinda figuring after reading some guides

[20:59:00]

Rsx024:

its gona be that much more editing

[20:59:01]

Juski:

FC almost put me off linux

[20:59:45]

Rsx024:

i basically in the end would just like my myth to run like i see in pictures of it running on tv they all look sharp with vivid colors like it is an actual tivo or some thing

[21:00:33]

Juski:

it's not impossible ;-)

[21:00:39]

Juski:

YMMV

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meushi:

once properly configured, mythtv results are simply amazing

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laga:

meushi: *raises hand* tv_grab_de_tvtoday, yessir

[21:01:13]

Rsx024:

yea i think i gotta start by installing my video cards drivers correclty

[21:01:24]

Rsx024:

i just reinstalled knoppmyth for afresh install now

[21:01:32]

Juski:

amazing? I'm pretty blasé about it now in all honesty, though I'd happily kill to keep my mythtv ;-)

[21:01:45]

Rsx024:

im bout to pay-pal some one to vnc my box and get it workin ;)

[21:02:05]

Juski:

payment comes AFTER worky worky

[21:02:10]

Rsx024:

lol

[21:02:10]

meushi:

laga: ah, I'm using the tv_grab_de one and now it's not doing anything... displays grabbing... left it running like 20 minutes and nothing happens :( I just upgraded xmltv, too

[21:02:15]

laga:

Rsx024: BTW, your issue could be related to a bad tuner module

[21:02:41]

laga:

meushi: tv_grab_de has been broken since i started using xmltv which is like 2 years

[21:02:55]

meushi:

laga: it was still working last night for me :)

[21:02:56]

Rsx024:

ive tried the module -r cx88_dvb

[21:02:59]

Rsx024:

the module cx88_dvb

[21:03:05]

Juski:

later versions of ivtv only use a couple of modules of their own now since they've been shoe-horned into working with standard kernel modules

[21:03:14]

Juski:

(and a bit the other way too)

[21:03:19]

laga:

meushi: wow. are you sure it's not the tvtoday one?

[21:03:23]

meushi:

laga: last night, I just had broken _fr and _nl

[21:03:33]

meushi:

laga: in fact, yes it is :)

[21:03:41]

laga:

meushi: ;)

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meushi:

I think _fr is seriously borked ATM... --slow just brings back the channel icons and normal brings programs up to 3 days ago

[21:05:16]

meushi:

laga: you don't have any problem with _de_today at the moment, then?

[21:05:38]

laga:

meushi: let me check

[21:05:50]

Rsx024:

if ir blaster is too close to settop (taped to it) would it not work

[21:06:43]

** Juski ignores another dumbo question on the forum **

[21:07:03]

meushi:

laga: never mind, working again now... weird

[21:07:30]

meushi:

laga: relaunched my custom grabber 3–4 times in the last hour, and it finally worked again a few secs ago

[21:07:33]

laga:

Juski: each user should have a counter and when they ask a good question, other people would mod them up....

[21:07:50]

laga:

meushi: tv_grab_de_tvtoday tends to break, unfortunately

[21:08:07]

Juski:

laga: good plan :-D

[21:08:30]

Juski:

let there be a negative scaling function too.. muhahahahaha

[21:08:35]

meushi:

laga: they all do :) I had to use _fr because _be was broken... now I have to go back to _be because _fr is broken...

[21:09:09]

meushi:

ok, the fun begins

[21:09:23]

meushi:

fixing the db manually so that programs match channels again

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: would have to add that feature to the backend first.

[21:21:30]

mchou:

sigh......

[21:21:35]

mchou:

this sucks

[21:22:04]

mchou:

creator of my distro has been FIRED by his company.

[21:22:21]

_Zoom_:

meh, go use Ubuntu, heh

[21:22:43]

_Zoom_:

kind of sucks about that Mandrake thing though

[21:22:48]

mchou:

_Zoom_: Ubuntu is a unstable POS in comparison

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Beirdo:

hah

[21:22:57]

_Zoom_:

I haven't used either

[21:23:30]

_Zoom_:

though I thought the general consensus was that Mandrake could be pretty flakey

[21:23:45]

Beirdo:

VERY

[21:23:46]

meushi:

mandrake has been very flakey in the past

[21:23:46]

_Zoom_:

maybe that is just the latest Mandriva

[21:23:48]

Juski:

well that's my pet lip fixed.. the theme is back to stay. you worthless nay-sayers (you know who you are), I _dare_ you to do better ;-)

[21:23:58]

mchou:

_Zoom_: naw, mandrake is OK. No stellar, but not crappy either

[21:24:24]

mchou:

I guess it's finally time to move to debian

[21:24:37]

Beirdo:

use ubuntu.

[21:24:43]

mchou:

I think that's the most robust distro

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_Zoom_:

I haven't really tried anything except Gentoo

[21:25:05]

mchou:

I tried Ubuntu. it's a crashfest

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** kormoc loves gentoo **

[21:25:29]

Juski:

crashfest? aaaaay? never found it so, myself

[21:25:33]

Beirdo:

then you must be incompetent. crashfest?!

[21:25:37]

_Zoom_:

only issue I have with Gentoo is sometimes the config file updating sucks... but I guess its best if it notifies you about the changes instead of just mucking everything up

[21:25:39]

meushi:

wtf? :)

[21:25:59]

mchou:

I'm not joking about crashfest

[21:26:12]

_Zoom_:

maybe it didn't like your hardware

[21:26:25]

mchou:

Beirdo: you know I test everything thoroughly

[21:26:33]

xris:

Juski: I find it full of all kinds of little annoying issues.

[21:26:37]

Beirdo:

I have never seen ubuntu crash

[21:26:43]

mchou:

_Zoom_: lol, it didnt like all 4 of my machines? :)

[21:27:01]

Beirdo:

and don't kid yourself. ubuntu is debian with more frequent updates

[21:27:11]

Juski:

I never quite figured out how to turn off that fucking annoying 'updates are available' bollocks

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

don't run X

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kormoc:

Termites praise the trees.

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mchou:

Beirdo: more frequent means less stable

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Beirdo:

I'm sure there are more efficient ways too

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Beirdo:

no it doesn't

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Juski:

YMMV with any distro

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_Zoom_:

yeah, if it updates more frequently then Debian, it must cease to be Debian at some point... unless they synch up every so often

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Beirdo:

frequency of updates and stability of them are nearly unrelated

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Beirdo:

they do plenty of testing

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mchou:

Beirdo: that's bullshit

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mchou:

try Kubuntu, it's truly a piece of stinking dogshit

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_Zoom_:

harsh

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Beirdo:

who said anything about kubuntu

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Beirdo:

tard

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mchou:

_Zoom_: not harsh at all. Just reality

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Beirdo:

KDE and gnome both suck

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Beirdo:

but as a distro, ubuntu is practically identical to debian

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_Zoom_:

I used to use Kahakai when I used Gentoo on my desktop in school... not sure what happened to that

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Beirdo:

if you don't install gnome or KDE, they are very difficult to tell apart

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mchou:

Beirdo: lol

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mchou:

Beirdo: that statement applies to virtually any linux distro

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Beirdo:

no it doesn't

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mchou:

if you dnt install Gnoke/KDE

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mchou:

dont*

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Beirdo:

any fool can tell FC* apart from debian or gentoo

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Beirdo:

or slackware, etc.

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Beirdo:

they are all pretty distinct in flavor

[21:33:10]

Beirdo:

but ubuntu is very hard to tell apart from debian without trying a lot harder

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Beirdo:

and any system is only as stable as you make it

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mchou:

Bullshit. I can tell because ubuntu crashes every 5 minutes

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Beirdo:

I have FC1 running still, for over a year

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mchou:

that's mean time to discern difference

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Beirdo:

my ubuntu machines will last just as long if I weren't powering them down to move

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Beirdo:

16:34:34 up 128 days, 8:38, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.04

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Beirdo:

on my linode running ubuntu

[21:35:11]

Beirdo:

your incompetence or bad luck aside, ubuntu is pretty stable

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mchou:

Beirdo: lol. yeah, I'm incompetent running a liveCD. Lol

[21:37:01]

Beirdo:

well, you and the distro are the common threads

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Beirdo:

and others have no issues with the distro

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mchou:

haha....

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mchou:

other ppl have no problems with bugs I found in other distros either

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mchou:

including yourself

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mchou:

so how likely do most ppl stretch and test their systems?

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Beirdo:

heh

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mchou:

anyways, based on the liveCD of kubuntu I tried, I'd rather use windows first.

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mchou:

flamesuit is on, my man :)

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Beirdo:

kubuntu != ubuntu

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mchou:

Beirdo: I didnt say kubuntu==ubuntu

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Beirdo:

anyways... you think what you want

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meushi:

mchou: I don't know... running ubuntu at work 5 days a week... not a *single* OS crash in the last 12 months... machine runs Jboss, Postgres, Mysql, Apache, KDE, OOo2, 3 instances of samba, is integrated in Active Directory. The only problem I have is Evolution exchange storage crashing from time to time...

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Beirdo:

many many people have no issues

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wh|tey:

anyone in here knwo why after I go into the mythtvfrontend and exit out after that I get a weird aspect ratio on my transcoded movies?

[21:42:27]

wh|tey:

like 480x480- instead of fluuscreen

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wh|tey:

:-(

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mchou:

50 billion flies eat shit. Doesn't mean shit is good to eat

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lotia:

folks anyone experiencing buffering problems with 0.19 and ivtv 0.4.3 when watching livetv

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Beirdo:

it is if you are a fly

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Beirdo:

dumbass

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lotia:

problem begins after first channel change

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meushi:

mchou: proof being you love MDK

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mchou:

meushi: huh??

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wh|tey:

I have a winpvr-150 card and if I rmmod ivtv, and modprobe ivtv and ptune-pl and set the channel back to 3 and start capturing again w/ cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and transcode that down to xvid again it is fullscreen

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wh|tey:

:-(

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Juski:

ahhh you see – you need a linpvr-150 card, not winpvr

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wh|tey:

I think I am missing a setting in mythtv-setup

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wh|tey:

ha ha

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Anduin:

wh|tey – Myth sets codec params

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mchou:

meushi: love? I dont "love" MDK. It is just sufficiently usable and not annoying.

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wh|tey:

no no it works beautifully besides this lil;' quirk

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wh|tey:

so I can manually manipulate that back w/ mencoder or transcode?

[21:45:04]

wh|tey:

the raw mpeg2 filel that is

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Juski:

wh|tey: so set your capture profile to a higher resolution for future recordings

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meushi:

mchou: you seem to think mandriva is perfect... it's far from it as well... used to use it until I got burned on several issues... like not installing on a laptop or the corporate edition I used at work way back got dropped by mdk after 3 months

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wh|tey:

so is this an issue w/ mtd? or what?

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mchou:

meushi: read my comments. I never said mdk is perfect

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mchou:

more like it's the least bad choice (in my specific case)

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wh|tey:

Juski- is the higher res a setting I setup in mythtv-setup ?

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nuxil:

how does mythtranscode work? i cant get it to work.

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mchou:

like voting for politicians

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meushi:

mchou: it might perfectly match your needs, doesn't mean it matches other people's needs... just like Ubuntu might do weird stuff for you while it works perfectly fin, thank you, for the rest of us

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nuxil:

i get this message Must specify -i OR -c AND -s options!

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Anduin:

wh|tey – Just don't assume the card has specific settings, if you are using some other tool to do the capture make sure you set everything you care about.

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wh|tey:

works for me but it is a strange beast to me as I am familiar w/ mencoder, transcode, and ffmpeg, I knwo it is essentially the same IIRC but still learning liek mad

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nuxil:

but when i try using -i i get 2006-03–16 22:46:03.712 Couldn't deduce channel and start time from 2006-03–16 22:46:03.897 Could not open . 12 retries remaining.

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nuxil:

-c & s dosent do anything

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wh|tey:

will do, it's just that w/ the way I do it now I do a 'mencoder testing.mpg -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts bitrate=863 -o testing.avi' adn that ALWAYS works if I just do it from CLI and not in mythtv

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wh|tey:

the aspect ratio always fullscreens out even after transcoding the raw mpeg

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wh|tey:

will play w/ more tonight

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wh|tey:

thanks for the help/ideas

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Beirdo:

OK, home time

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stuarta:

bored now

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jams:

yep

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stuarta:

power watching recordings & still bored

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jams:

heh already did that

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jams:

now i'm watching stuff compile

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stuarta:

i'm thinking about coding stuff, but that's boring me

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kormoc:

wh|tey, there is a capture res setting in myth

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_mac:

hey.. I installed mythvideo plugin, but its not showing up in mythfrontend.. Checked --verbose all, I am not seeing anything.. do I need to do anything else other than "make install" ?

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jams:

did you restart the frontend?

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kormoc:

_mac, did you restart the frontend?

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_mac:

Yes, many times. Even the backend

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kormoc:

you installed it on the machine the frontend is on?

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_mac:

How does it exactly detect the plugin? By looking at the new .so file in /lib/mythtv/plugins/ ?

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_mac:

Yes, its all on the same box

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kormoc:

_mac, yup, it scans them from that location or similar, depending on where myth was installed to

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_mac:

I think it is not scanning /lib/mythtv/plugins then

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_mac:

for whatever reason – can I put it to the other libs?

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jams:

is that where the .so file is? /lib/mythtv?

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_mac:

Yes, the curious thing is that /lib/mythtv is completly empty other than THIS .so file

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_mac:

the rest is in /usr/local/lib/

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Anduin:

_mac – sounds like a prefix issue

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_mac:

(libmyth-0.19.so etc)

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jams:

sounds like it picked up the wrong prefix

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Anduin:

_mac – do you have any other plugins?

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_mac:

No, not yet

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Anduin:

_mac – they would be in lib/mythtv/plugins

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_mac:

There is only this file so far

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kormoc:

_mac, if myth is installed in /usr/local/blah, you'd need the plugin to be installed in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins

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_mac:

Any way I can check what directory it is looking for plugins?

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_mac:

as far as I can see, that would be /share/mythtv (weird)

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scopeuk:

ok finaly got my myth box where i want it

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scopeuk:

its sat happily i na corner

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kormoc:

_mac, basically if myth is in /usr/local, everything else needs to be in /usr/local/blah

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_mac:

looking where its installation dir is

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_mac:

certainly isnt /usr/local/include/mythtv/

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kormoc:

_mac, which mythfrontend

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_mac:

0.19 release

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Anduin:

now litterally

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_mac:

got it

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_mac:

copied the file to /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins

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_mac:

(had to create it)

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_mac:

Thank you all

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kormoc:

_mac, which is a unix command that gives the path of mythfrontend in this case, which tells you where it installed to

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_mac:

Yeah, I know... I am just puzzled it chose the wrong prefix

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_mac:

its /usr/local/bin

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riksta:

./configure --prefix=/usr

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riksta:

etc

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xris:

_mac: generally, /usr/ is intended for package-installed files, and /usr/local/ is for self-compiled stuff...

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_mac:

Thanks

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_mac:

It works now

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ftp3:

in my setup -> appearance -> video screens.. it has the GUI resolution set as 720x480, thats too big for my tv but the drop down does not have any options.. how do i get that to be smaller, because the GUI is set to large for my tv screen

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kormoc:

ftp3, I don't think that's a drop down, I beleive that the arrow keys left and right change that value

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ftp3:

kormoc, when i press the right and left, it does not change

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ftp3:

the video output does change if i do that, but its already at 320x240

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kormoc:

ftp3, do you have randr support?

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xris:

kormoc: you sure you're not thinking of the recording profiles?

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kormoc:

xris, I thought gui/playback res was the same as the recording profile

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kormoc:

as in left/right to change

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ftp3:

kormoc i do not know what randr is.. i just installed the knoppmyth cd.. and here I am ;-)

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ftp3:

kormoc is this something i can edit in x?

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kormoc:

ftp3, it's a x lib that allows resizing of the display

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SlapFight:

howto get xmltv to put data into the program guide – when i run /usr/bun/mythfilldatabase no chanels get update – why??

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kormoc:

SlapFight, well, if it's a standard distro, the binarys are not stored in /usr/bun

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SlapFight:

it's mythdora 2.1 from g-ding.tv

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SlapFight:

and mythfilldatabase is running but i'm not sure what to do when i run tv_grab_dk --configure

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RaYmAn-Bx:

SlapFight: I'd say you're better off running mythtv-setup from an xterm and then setting up the channel fetching from there..when it waits for the channels to fetch you have to switch to the xterm to answer it's questions..

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Beirdo:

where the fuck did I JUST put those scissors?!

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Ryushin:

I'm building another frontend. Does anyone know what the main difference is between the PVR-250 and the PVR-150?

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Beirdo:

there they are

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meushi:

Ryushin: price, availability, closed captions support

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achew22:

does 250 have CC?

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meushi:

it is supposed to

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achew22:

I have a 250 and I have tried to get it to work but to no avail

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meushi:

early 250's might be easier to get working tho

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achew22:

I got it when it first came out

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Ryushin:

My PVR-350 card work like a champ. I'm just buying a new one so I don't know what to get.

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Beirdo:

02340315061492101

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Beirdo:

shite

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Beirdo:

I keep doing that

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achew22:

get a 150,,, cheaper

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achew22:

or get a HDTV3000

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Ryushin:

True. But if the quality isn't as good, then the 250 should be the way to go.

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Beirdo:

they should be about equivalent in quality

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Ryushin:

I have a HD-3000 in my main box. This is just another frontend.

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achew22:

I have a 150 and a 250 — I can't tell the difference between the too

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achew22:

well — once you adjust teh hue saturation etc. the difference isn't noticible

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Ryushin:

Answers that question then I guess. Does the remote in the 150?

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achew22:

what?

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achew22:

does it what?

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achew22:

does anyone know the folder that firmware is saved to in ubuntu for IVTV?

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Ryushin:

Does it work. :)

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Ryushin:

I need to get a remote with it.

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Ryushin:

achew22: which version of ivtv. The new version uses a different location.

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achew22:

4.0.3

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Ryushin:

should be /usr/share/hotplug/firmware, I think.

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Ryushin:

Or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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achew22:

its in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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achew22:

it cant find v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw and its in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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RaYmAn-Bx:

achew22: presumably ubuntu has a place that says where it is..On gentoo the dir is defined in /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent..perhaps it's the same? (or similar at least)

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achew22:

so look in /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent

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achew22:

no such file or folder... no such folder as /etc/hotplug

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achew22:

RaYmAn-Bx are there any good tutorials to get .19 up and running on ubuntu?

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achew22:

carp

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achew22:

gentoo

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RaYmAn-Bx:

try putting the firmware in /lib/hotplug/firmware...http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html seems to suggest that's the right place

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RaYmAn-Bx:

well..there is this guide for installing mythtv on gentoo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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FunkyELF:

anyone know if MP4Box is part of a larger package? I need to get it to use myth2ipod correctly. I'm on gentoo and couldn't find a MP4Box package

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RaYmAn-Bx:

gpac perhaps? (at least that's what google seems to indicate :P)

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achew22:

okay — i'm going to put gentoo on there. I have always heard that gentoo is hard to install — is there an easy way or is it not really that bad?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's harder (and takes longer) than most other distros..But it's not that hard if you follow the guide...Obviously it takes a lot longer since everything has to be compiled

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FunkyELF:

I heard the new graphical installer is nice but not perfect

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FunkyELF:

I like to install it the manual way.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

oh yeah..they made one of those..I still haven't tried that..It's only on the big livecd version I think? I usually only get the minimal one

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achew22:

so... do it old school or graphical?

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achew22:

ohh I have a question for someone... when I get to the part where I download teh stages — which one do I get? or do I get them all?

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kormoc:

achew22, you pick one, usually stage 3

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ftp3:

kormoc, so i got and installed ranr.. where do I find it in xwin?

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achew22:

kormoc, what is the difference?

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kormoc:

ftp3, edit the log file and make sure it loaded, and then it should be happy

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kormoc:

achew22, read about them in the gentoo manual, they have a nice speal about them, which you should be using

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ftp3:

kormoc, yeah, but i mean, where do i find randr now that its installed.. is there an option in the gui?

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kormoc:

ftp3, nope, it's just a libary that myht hooks into to resize the screen

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Spida_:

anybody here using tv_grab_de_tvtoday? I don't get any listings....

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[R]:

is there any way to search the tv listings and be able to tune to the channel? if you do a searhc from the schedule menu you can't tune to the channel

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Juski:

woohoo! I just saw mythtv skip a whole commercial break! (after a bunch of 5 second skips)

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dtm:

:-o

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dtm:

o/

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dtm:

DEATH TO UNWANTED ADS

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Juski:

the 5 sec skips are kind of beguiling though.. yeh jump past the channel bumpers... lol

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dtm:

Juski: what's a channel bumper

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Juski:

channel bumpers are like an animated logo of the channel between show segments.. shown before & after ad breaks

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Juski:

we in the UK must need a different detection pattern or something

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_mac:

hi.. question about Commercial Cutting.. is this only happening on transcoding, or is it supposed to cut away ads while doing a livetv playback?

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Juski:

_mac: mythtv can skip commercials on playback of recorded shows, or given enough buffer time, even livetv

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Juski:

..if realtime commflagging is enabled

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_mac:

So enabling it on a playback should be enough to recognize it

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_mac:

Right?

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Juski:

not for livetv, no – you'd need to enable realtime commflagging

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_mac:

so it flags it while doing live tv, and in the playback, the ads can be skipped then

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_mac:

right

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Juski:

it'll only flag livetv if you enable realtime flagging, AFAIK

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_mac:

Is there some sort of documentation where all of it is documenated.. I havent found anything about it yet

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