Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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DartmanX2:

pvr-150

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kormoc:

mogorman, that's sucky, donno then

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mogorman:

hrm

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DartmanX2:

my own box has a 150 as well, no problems

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mogorman:

guess i will just get another drive ^_^

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DartmanX2:

I went into setup and turned the svideo inputs to "None"

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aluicious:

dartmanx2, i have a pvr-500 and had the same problem. it turned out i had hooked the cable up to the FM tuner instead of the cable tuner, but i guess thats not your problem...

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DartmanX2:

no, no fm tuner on the 150

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DartmanX2:

wish it was that simple

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aluicious:

have you tried /usr/bin/ivtcctl -p with different values? and made sure its set for ntsc? i really dont know what im doing – just remembering how i set up my card...

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jarango:

When ripping DVDs with MythDVD the ripped copy does not have the same aspect ratio as the source. Is there a way to fix this ?

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aluicious:

has anyone had a problem ejecting a dvd after ripping it in myth?

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DartmanX2:

"Cant enable VBI Recording"

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DartmanX2:

thats in the mythtv logs

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of xris... **

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** xris chuckles **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

definitely need to add some random adjectives.

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nuonguy:

I wish I could get dvd ripping to work

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Beirdo:

it will happen sometime :)

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xris:

I just thought about adding "search ID" or other things to make the URL's smaller when searching via the channel

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xris:

like our own tinyurl

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

I'm working on user authentication (via s/key)

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xris:

I want to get the trac stuff hooked up, though.. at least get the db fields in so I can add links on teh web.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, that'll be next

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Pitchin_uk:

Evening – xris

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bio_:

hm, to save space on the harddisk postprocessing would be usefull? (using mencoder to encode it e.g. to divx)

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DartmanX2:

ok, I set off of the inputs besides "tuner0" to none, and Im re-running mythfilldatabase

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kormoc:

bio_, you can nuvexport it and use mythvideo to watch it

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DartmanX2:

and... nothing

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xris:

wow, nuvexport as a verb...

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bio_:

nuvexport. checking that out

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xris:

nuvexport really needs its own web page.

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bio_:

https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/

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bio_:

isnt that it?

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xris:

that's the closest thing it has to a web page, yes

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xris:

I'm still pondering merging it back into the mythtv svn tree, though

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rsquared:

whoa.. mythweb crashes my browser

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rsquared:

:(

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xris:

but won't do that until mythtv has a perl library to go with it... which I' need to write first.

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xris:

rsquared: huh?

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kormoc:

rsquared, opera?

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rsquared:

firefox

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rsquared:

i don't know

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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rsquared:

it just crashed it twice

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xris:

rsquared: which page?

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rsquared:

umm... good question

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rsquared:

maybe it was cuz i tried to watch a video

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xris:

could be

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rsquared:

and my mplayer plugin freaked

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styrmis:

Hey guys, I'm having trouble with GUI alignment using 0.19 (worked with 0.18)

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rsquared:

man.. i forgot how convenient all this was

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styrmis:

I originally used KDE, same problem in Gnome, and now Ratpoison doesn't want to play nice

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rever:

Hi I need some help wiuth my database. When I go to Program Guide to schedule a recording. Every program is displaying on one channel up. Ie what says is playing on ch 12 is actually on ch 11

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styrmis:

The problem in KDE is that after watching live tv, the menu window will jump down and to the right for some reason. The problem in Ratpoison is that it isn't honouring the offset settings. Anyone know what might be up?

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rsquared:

hrm... is there no mythstreamtv for the new mythweb?

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xris:

rsquared: search the mailing list for a match

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rsquared:

found it

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rsquared:

sorry

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xris:

s/match/patch/

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rsquared:

actually... looks like i found a full version

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xris:

cool

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xris:

would someday like to get that integrated with mythweb as a plugin

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rsquared:

http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

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rsquared:

it's sweet

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rsquared:

same w/mythstreamlive

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rsquared:

i used to use it for watching baseball games on my cellphone

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xris:

interesting

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** rsquared has a pdaphone **

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xris:

heh. my phone is black and white.

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styrmis:

Does anyone have their ratpoisonrc file handy? Perhaps I am missing something there

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kormoc:

my phone is more blue and silver... :P

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rsquared:

heh

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xris:

kormoc: you know I meant the screen. heh.

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xris:

all of you people with newfangled color-screen phones.

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rsquared:

newfangled?

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rsquared:

sheesh

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** kormoc laughs **

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rsquared:

i've had a color phone for like 3–4 years

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kormoc:

xris, well, my one screen is blue and light blue, it's the other screen that's in color :P

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xris:

rsquared: I'd rather have the battery life.

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xris:

my phone is 3 years old or so and still gets a week on a charge, with bluetooth enabled

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rsquared:

my battery lasts a couple days

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rsquared:

which isn't that bad considering how much i use it

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xris:

I don't really use mine much, either.

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** xris needs more friends. **

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xris:

I pretty much call my parents and my wife... everyone else is online.

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kormoc:

xris, well, you could always play dial-a-random-new-friend

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xris:

haha

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kormoc:

Hello 845-232–5545! How are you today?

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xris:

kormoc: that would work better if I sounded like a sexy girl.

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rsquared:

there's always drunk dialing

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** kormoc laughs **

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rsquared:

but.. you have to get drunk first

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xris:

rsquared: that works better if you like to get drunk.

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xris:

my alcohol is too expensive to do that, too.

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rsquared:

hah

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kormoc:

xris, very true, tho again, I guess it all depends on who you manage to call.

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rsquared:

what's your drink?

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xris:

rsquared: good rum, scotch, mead, really-hard cider....

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kormoc:

Mmm... Vodka...

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rsquared:

have you had capt morgan's tattoo?

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xris:

nope. my rum of choice is black seal

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rsquared:

ah

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rsquared:

tattoo is surprisingly good

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xris:

flavored?

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rsquared:

sorta

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rsquared:

well.. yeah

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rsquared:

it's extremely smooth

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kormoc:

xris, it's spiced, a lot

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kormoc:

it's good, but black seal is way better

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** rsquared has never had black seal **

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kormoc:

rsquared, it's right up there with the top rums I've had, if not the top

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xris:

rsquared: black seal won the international wine/spirits competition in 2004.

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xris:

about $18/bottle here in WA.. totally worth it.

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DartmanX2:

okay, the video problem is fixed. I chmod 777'd the /myth directory/partition, and reran setup, deleting and setting up new stuff, and it works

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DartmanX2:

BUT

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xris:

http://www.goslingsrum.com/products.asp

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DartmanX2:

the picture isnt very sharp... is there a way to sharpen the tuning without tedious trail and error?

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xris:

DartmanX2: depends on whether it's the input or the output causing the problem

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DartmanX2:

the channel is pretty sharp on a normal tv, but fuzzier on the myth box

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xris:

DartmanX2: that still doesn't help... it could be your tuner card causing the problem, or your video card outputting to the tv.

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xris:

could be your recording profile (eg. if you're only recording at 480x480, as is often the default)

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rsquared:

wtfbbq

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rsquared:

i think there's something borked on my box

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DartmanX2:

the video card isnt outputting to the TV, right now its just to the computer monitor

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rsquared:

transcode seems to not work

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rsquared:

for anything

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xris:

DarkBeer: ok, that answers the first question. now check the resolution for your recording profile of choice (LiveTV?)

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xris:

DartmanX2: sorry, tab-complete.. ^^^^

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DartmanX2:

okay, I havent tried to record yet, only watch tv. Would that be "default" or "livetv" by default?

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xris:

livetv

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xris:

livetv is always livetv

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DartmanX2:

ok, checking now

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DartmanX2:

okay, bitrate is set to 4500/6000

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DartmanX2:

resolution is 480x480

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DartmanX2:

there is a "finetune" oiption in the mythweb channel settings, but I dont know what to do with it

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rsquared:

2006-03–09 17:20:33.909 JobQueue::GetJobsInQueue: Ignore 'Transcode' Job for 1705 @ 20060223230000 in Errored state.

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Jusk1:

hey hey Kelerion

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phishman:

Have a quick question that I can't seem to find an answer to.

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phishman:

Anyway to get "ivtvctl commands" to run each time I watch LiveTV

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Jusk1:

phishman: not without modifying myth code.. why?

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** Kelerion waves :) **

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phishman:

Jusk1 – I need to adjust the hue/saturation because it really sucks at the defaul levels

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** Jusk1 glances at the PiP view of his cctv **

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Kelerion:

I was sitting there watching #mythtv like a plonker.... lol

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phishman:

the "F" button doesnt really do anything

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Jusk1:

phishman: I wouldn't have thought myth would reset them

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phishman:

the G button works but it is only working for recordings

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Jusk1:

unless.. you find settings which work & add them to every channel in the DB

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phishman:

ouch

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Jusk1:

Kelerion: heh

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Kelerion:

have had to lose linux on my machine... am gutted

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Jusk1:

why?

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Kelerion:

I need to actually do some work

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Jusk1:

ahhh

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Kelerion:

am just more productive on windows

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Kelerion:

am sorry.. but gimp<>photoshop and vi/nvu<>dreamweaver

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Jusk1:

btw Kelerion I've borrowed a couple of mono cameras from work... got 2 IR cams coming later today.. and I have to say one of these cams in a blacked out room... dark... but introduce a remote control to the mix.. and wahey!

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Kelerion:

a remote control cam?

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Jusk1:

and that's with one LED... wonder what it'll be like with 140 of em

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Jusk1:

no I used the remote as a torch ;-)

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Kelerion:

ahh.. lol

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rsquared:

Jusk1: why didn't you just make a ir cam?

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Jusk1:

rsquared: cos board cameras SUCK

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Jusk1:

that's why

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rsquared:

eh.. i got a pretty good picture out of my sony eyetoy that i hacked

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rsquared:

total cost was like $30

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Jusk1:

and home made cameras look shit & don't go well outside

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Kelerion:

pcb's don't handle rain too well huh? :)

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Jusk1:

not so much that, but when the lens or CCD gets rain on it...

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Kelerion:

you still building an IR illuminator?

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rsquared:

it's built

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Jusk1:

nah just ebaying

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rsquared:

i need some sort of lens to block the ir reflection off of glass

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Jusk1:

you can't buy IR LEDs this cheap: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . :B:WNA:UK:71

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Kelerion:

ahh yeah... you showed me that... thats damn cheap

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rsquared:

oh damn.. that's cheap

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Jusk1:

rsquared: you can't.. you'd have to put the IR outside

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rsquared:

Jusk1: then how does my sony still camera not reflect ir on glass?

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rsquared:

either that or the lens doesn't pick it up

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Kelerion:

thinner glass?

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rsquared:

same window

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Jusk1:

rsquared: if the camera can pick up images illuminated by the IR, it's gonna catch any reflections too

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Jusk1:

maybe it's coated on the inside

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rsquared:

i'm talking about the reflection of the IR on the glass

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Jusk1:

or at an angle

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Jusk1:

inside the box?

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Kelerion:

my IR cam simply does *not* work through a window... only works outside..

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Jusk1:

Kelerion: pesky double glazing eh?

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Kelerion:

I had to put it outside

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rsquared:

hrm.. well.. my sony 717 works through glass

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Jusk1:

'k' glass ;-)

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Kelerion:

nope nope... cheap 1970's single glazing

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Jusk1:

wow

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rsquared:

do i need to put oss in my use flags for transcode to work?

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rsquared:

oh wait

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rsquared:

i don't have a -oss

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rsquared:

so... it should be good

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Kelerion:

it just don't work...the whole image becomes a white canvas

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rsquared:

Kelerion: that's the problem that i have w/my homemade cam

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rsquared:

i'm gonna borrow some lenses from my friend to play around with

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Jusk1:

so put the camera outside then.. sorted

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Kelerion:

I did... it's an outside cam so I'm alright... so tried it inside in case the kids tried smashing it

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rsquared:

i've heard that polarizing filters work

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rsquared:

they're meant to block reflections

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Kelerion:

so=just

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Jusk1:

rsquared: ymmv

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rsquared:

when doing ir photography

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rsquared:

yeah

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xanderp:

help please! I'm trying to get the snapstream firefly remote to work with lirc. followed the examples i could find off google, but it still no workie :(

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Jusk1:

this is one camera with no IR illuminator.. £200 worth: http://www.juski.co.uk/cctv.jpg

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Kelerion:

did anyone notice snapstream liquidated?

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xanderp:

their assets?

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Jusk1:

showshifter are selling up too

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Kelerion:

*everything* they are even selling sourcecode IP

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xanderp:

wow

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Kelerion:

oh

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Jusk1:

xanderp: you tried the usual.. irw etc?

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Kelerion:

it might be showshifter I'm thinking off.. lol

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xanderp:

irw dies

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xanderp:

connection refused

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Jusk1:

xanderp: if irw dies, then your lirc daemon isn't running

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Kelerion:

yup... showshifter

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Jusk1:

maybe you've got /dev/lirc/0 instead of /dev/lirc0 or whatever...

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xanderp:

hmmm

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Kelerion:

I own the .co.uk of that domain.. there goes my chance of flogging it.. lol

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xanderp:

i have LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/lirc/0"

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Jusk1:

xanderp: do you have a /dev/lirc/0 though?

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xanderp:

i'm not getting any /dev/lirc at all other than /dev/lircd

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Jusk1:

so... set LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/lircd" then & try that

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styrmis:

Sigh. I am getting nowhere with these WMs! Can anyone tell me what might have changed between 0.18 and 0.19?

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Kelerion:

mind you.. I do own the snapstream one too.. so might have a chance

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rsquared:

does this make sense to anyone?

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rsquared:

http://russ.angrypacket.com/transcode.txt

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xanderp:

i'm not getting any lirc in lsmod either...

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Kelerion:

it's a 0 byte file? sounds like a tv-card problem

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rsquared:

that's the transcode

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rsquared:

the original file is 4gb

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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rsquared:

oh wait

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rsquared:

hrm

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rsquared:

i think it might be working

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rsquared:

aha

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rsquared:

that was dumb

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rsquared:

i had to change it from rtjpeg to mpeg2

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rsquared:

and/or mpeg4

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rsquared:

now i wonder if mythstream will work now

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rsquared:

i mean...

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rsquared:

mythstreamtv

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Ubongo:

hi folks

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Ubongo:

I have a Hauppage PVR-150....remote works with irw and I see the channel number in the mythfrontend window....but it doesn't change the channel on my ExpressVu 4100 stb.....help!

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Jusk1:

Ubungo: you need to get the IR blaster working

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Jusk1:

then use mythtv's 'external channel change command' facility

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Jusk1:

it's all in a howto somewhere

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styrmis:

Hey all, is my question regarding window managers an RTFM? My thread on mythtv-users drew no responses, and none here so far...

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Yellow-Snow:

hey guys.. i have a problem...

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Yellow-Snow:

i redid my room moving my tv.. it was on top of my dresser leaning forward for about 4 years.. well i plug it in while its flat and the color on the bottom is messed up... any ideas? fixable?

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Jusk1:

Yellow-Snow: get a de-gaussing coil, or find the de-gauss button on it if it has one

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Jusk1:

or the toob is fucked & you need to buy a new TV

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Yellow-Snow:

no tv dosent

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Jusk1:

prolly damaged the mask inside the tube

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Yellow-Snow:

how much does that de-gaussing coil cost? my friend said it happened to him but eventually went away

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Jusk1:

you can use a tape-head demagnetiser if you're careful

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Jusk1:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Repair-or-Fix-Your-TV-C . . . cmdZViewItem

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Ubongo:

thanks Jusk1....the blaster is working...I tested with irw

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Jusk1:

Ubongo: I imagine to change channels on the stb you'll need to learn (or download) its remote codes.. then read all about using the channel changer script

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Cromz:

evening everyone.. and Jusk1 ;)

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Ubongo:

ok...I'll see what I can find on the net....

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Ubongo:

thanks again Jusk1

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Jusk1:

evening Cromz

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joelw23:

can lame be obtained through synaptic

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juski:

joelw23: just use apt

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juski:

first use apt-cache search lame

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juski:

then find the one you want in the list, then apt-get install it

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abarbaccia:

hey guys – any good documentation on compiling mythtv from svn with firewire support?

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abarbaccia:

the packages i downloaded don't have it built in!

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skipjack:

should I buy a soundblaster live! or an other soudncard for ym mythtv ?

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timekllr:

anyone else not able to fetch lineups from zap2it ?

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timekllr:

i can log into the web interface, but can't fetch anything through mythtv

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Optic:

hey, are there supported myth packages for debian sarge? the docs on the site seem to be old/outdated.

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Optic:

i'm sure that's your #1 FAQ :)

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grant___:

Hey, I have a quick question.. my volume seems to be quite low, even though I have alsamixer and mythtv volumes at 100%.. are there any other settings I might have missed?

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DartmanX2:

well, this sucks, switching to cable-hrc made the tuning much worse

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DartmanX2:

okay, Im declaring this box done, I guess

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DartmanX2:

thanks for all the help, everyone

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xanderp:

i'm running epios-sources 2.6.14-r501. How to see if it incorporates a patch i found for a different set of sources?

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Ubongo:

anyone using a PVR-150 blaster with an ExpressVu STB?

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bdquick:

hi everyone

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bdquick:

i'm trying to upgrade from .18 to .19. When I start mythbackend it starts upgrading the database. "Duplicate entry 'TV Playback-ADJUSTSTRETCH-linux' for key 1" This is probably common, but I've searched around, haven't found it listed.

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xris:

w00t. new super-quiet vga fan AND a dvb card...

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xris:

now if only I could figure out how to do a channel scan.. this worked so much better with my atsc card.

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defi_:

raid and lvm are pretty similar hugh?

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xris:

defi_: not even close

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xris:

well, lvm is kind of like raid0, but only vaguely

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Nothingman:

hi, all

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defi_:

but you can stripe it like raid

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defi_:

bassically combining two disks and writing to both, if I understand this correctly

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Nothingman:

since I upgraded to 0.19, I get "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?" errors

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xris:

defi_: except that it's not striped

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defi_:

?

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xris:

striped means data is written and read evenly across both disks, giving a speedup. LVM just fills up one disk at a time

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xris:

Nothingman: from where?

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defi_:

so what does the strip option in lvm do then?

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bdquick:

hey that's better than me. my db won't even upgrade

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Nothingman:

xris: from anywhere

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xris:

Nothingman: frontend? backend? mythweb?

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Nothingman:

frontend on any machine

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xris:

Nothingman: is the backend running?

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Nothingman:

yup

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xris:

Nothingman: are you sure?

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Nothingman:

hmmm

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Nothingman:

OK, I *swear* it was the last time I checked

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Nothingman:

OK, now it's doing it

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Nothingman:

when I select "Watch" (previously recorded) from the TV menu

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xris:

anyone here know the frequency and symbol rate for FTA channels on dishnetwork satellites?

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Nothingman:

and the guide

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Nothingman:

but that actually brings up the guide after

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Nothingman:

what are the default port settings in mythtv-setup?

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Nothingman:

I think I changed mine because of a supposed conflict

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xris:

huh?

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Shape_awy:

anybody running the plextor convertx?

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Nothingman:

"Port the server runs on" and all that

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xris:

I didn't know it could be changed

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Nothingman:

OK, things are starting to come together

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Shape_awy:

hehehe not for me

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Shape_awy:

myth really needs better docs

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joelw23:

what should i choose for postfix install??? local only???

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Shape_awy:

any better docs for myth then mythtv.org?

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joelw23:

http://www.abarbaccia.com

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Shape_awy:

thanks, losing my mind

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xris:

Shape_awy: lots for different distros.. the wiki should have info

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Shape_awy:

got everything running but configing it is killing me

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Shape_awy:

not detecting my convertx, cant connect to video source etc.

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joelw23:

2006-03–09 22:00:32.951 New DB connection, total: 1

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joelw23:

2006-03–09 22:00:32.985 Unable to connect to database!

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joelw23:

2006-03–09 22:00:32.985 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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joelw23:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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joelw23:

Database error was:

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joelw23:

Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)

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joelw23:

what is my problem now??

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feld:

backend and frontend on different pcs?

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joelw23:

no

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feld:

then its a permissions issue

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joelw23:

ok

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feld:

double check your username and password are correct

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joelw23:

for mythtv?

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feld:

or use the root user to give those perms

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feld:

yeah for the database

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joelw23:

mysql

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joelw23:

UPDATE user SET password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user="mythtv";

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joelw23:

that is what i did

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feld:

change mythtv to use your root user and root password and see if it works

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xris:

joelw23: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* to mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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feld:

if not, then there's a mysql issue

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joelw23:

ok

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AngryElf:

xris isn't that only true if the user running mythfrontend is 'mythtv' ?

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feld:

no...

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xris:

AngryElf: of course.. but he is, according to the error message.

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AngryElf:

ok

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Shape_awy:

anybody running a plextor convertx device?

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joelw23:

thanks

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joelw23:

got it

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xris:

any dvb users around?

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joelw23:

how do i change the pass for mythtv

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rightonbro:

hello

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rightonbro:

can somebody help with setting up an HD-3000 in MythTV?

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rightonbro:

anyone out there?

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monkeypet:

Nope.

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Optic:

mooo

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rightonbro:

lol

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rightonbro:

I'm trying to add a 2nd tuner to my MythTV setup, can you help?

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Surye:

When I create a new cutlist, nuvexport only sees the commercials, and when I quit mythfrontend, the cuts go away. Do I have to save them specifically?

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Beirdo:

oh sweet, the notification thread worked perfectly

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Beirdo:

2 per second

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

the logs have hit 800k lines now

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** xris kicks his dvb card again for good measure. **

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xris:

brb, new kernel

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Shape_awy:

2.6 is such a pain to compile

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xris:

stupid dvb scan always hanging at 3%

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Shape_awy:

just compiled 2.6 and hit a kernel panic. 2.6 blows goats

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subwaydude:

hi, how do i install the database access library for my frontend client?

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xris:

huh?

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subwaydude:

on this website: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html

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subwaydude:

search for Frontend-only configuration

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subwaydude:

it states: Other than the exclusion of the MySQL server and XMLTV, the MythTV compilation procedure is the same as when you're setting up both a backend and a frontend. However, you will need to install the database access libraries.

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xris:

subwaydude: that'd be the mysql-devel package, or whatever your distro calls it

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subwaydude:

xris, i love you so much

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xris:

that's why I just install everything from packages

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subwaydude:

yeah, i'm new to fedora core. and wasn't sure how to update my repositories.

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subwaydude:

so, i just figure i'd start compiling from scratch.

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xris:

subwaydude: wilsonet.com

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xris:

really good guide for fedora

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xris:

way better than compiling from scratch

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** xris kicks the dvb card again. **

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xris:

I wonder if this is a .19 bug

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phar0e:

nope

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phar0e:

.19 is free of any bugs , I checked

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SlicerDicer-:

hey phar0e

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phar0e:

yo yo

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SlicerDicer-:

I cant get this stupid thing to work haha

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phar0e:

firewire woes still?

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subwaydude:

I have my mythtv backend up and running on my debian box. I'm just trying to get a front-end client going on my laptop on fedora.

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SlicerDicer-:

I can manually record by specify with test-mpeg2 -r 0 > foo

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xris:

phar0e: s/.19/svn/

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SlicerDicer-:

but I cannot get myth to see it phar0e

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subwaydude:

I'm trying not to clutter it with things i don't really need to install.

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xris:

phar0e: I'm just trying to get this card to scan for FTA channels.

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phar0e:

no, there are 2 known bugs in svn, I checked

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: you around?

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: its a gentoo problem I think

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: it says when I debug it that firewire support is non existant

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phar0e:

but you built it with firewire support?

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SlicerDicer-:

but I used the ieee1394 support

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SlicerDicer-:

so I dont know whats the deal

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** xris needs GreyFoxx to help him... or dopester, but he hasn't been around in ages. **

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: yeah

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Cardoe:

libieee1394–0.5.0

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phar0e:

do you have ohci1394 and raw1394 modules loaded?

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Cardoe:

apparently myth needs it

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

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** Cardoe mumbles about people not updating the depend guide or any readmes since 0.17 **

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phar0e:

xris: what is FTA, chris?

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phar0e:

free something something

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: it's in the pipeline of fixes in the next ebuild

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: build of mythtv or ebuild?

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: the SVN & tarball

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SlicerDicer-:

:/

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SlicerDicer-:

so I cannot use HDTV with what I have?

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xris:

phar0e: unencrypted satellite channels

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xris:

I think it's "free to air"

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: just add sys-libs/ieee1394 ~x86

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xris:

got myself a dvb card to play with the free stuff... but I have no idea how to make it work

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: I dont have that ebuild

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SlicerDicer-:

I only have 4 ebuilds

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Shape_awy:

anybody running kernel 2.6?

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xris:

scan always stops at 3%

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: http://rafb.net/paste/results/opii8422.html

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: privmsg

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xris:

Shape_awy: most people these days are

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subwaydude:

grr

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subwaydude:

mythtv is having trouble connecting to the database.

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Shape_awy:

xris are there new commands for building kernels and modules?

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xris:

Shape_awy: no clue. I haven't built a kernel by hand since 2.2

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feld:

Shape_awy: make && make modules_install install

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SlicerDicer-:

Shape_awy: make && make modules_install

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: thats the cheat way!

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Shape_awy:

moduels gave me errors

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SlicerDicer-:

I manually copy haha

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Shape_awy:

use to be make dep;make clean; make bzImage

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SlicerDicer-:

well Shape_awy moduels would give anybody a error :)

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feld:

SlicerDicer-: why manually copy when u can just move them once they're already in boot? lol

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SlicerDicer-:

errm cause I am anal?

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feld:

lol what?

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feld:

I dont understand how moving and renaming the kernel, system.map, and config manually is necessary

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feld:

this way it even moves the current ones to *.old

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** kormoc only copys the kernel to /boot, he has his system.map stay static **

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kormoc:

actually, I think I stopped using system.map awhile ago

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xris:

w00t. looks like something wiped my tuner card database!

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kormoc:

yay, luck for those backups, right? :P

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xris:

not of that db, no

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kormoc:

ickyness

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xris:

the "delete all cards" button on a slave backend deletes all cards, even though the slave backend only lists its own cards.

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kormoc:

xris, yeah, I found that out myself

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SlicerDicer-:

hi kormoc

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kormoc:

hihi slicer

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SlicerDicer-:

was your boss nice to you at work today ;-)

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** SlicerDicer- prods xris ;-) **

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, He was a slave driver today, I'll tell you what! he actually expecteded me to show up and do this thing called coding! and he has the gull to pay me well! what is this? :P

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SlicerDicer-:

ok yeah that was a lame crack at humor indeed

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: ?

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xris:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: what a world what a world!

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** SlicerDicer- melts **

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kormoc:

xris, btw, this airstar does come with a cd, a DVB-PC TV Star PVR driver cd

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xris:

cool, that'd be for windows, so Ken can use it if you don't want it.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: sounds like jibberish to me

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SlicerDicer-:

whats airstar?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, Digital Cable/hdtv tuner card

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: aka air2pc

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SlicerDicer-:

does it do that 5c bs?

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kormoc:

well, the idea is it can just pull it direct from the wire, no cable box in the way

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kormoc:

for the over the air stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh ok

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah over the air is nice

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subwaydude:

thanks guys.

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SlicerDicer-:

but I cant get it out here in north bend like I said to xris

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kormoc:

xris, I'm gonna mess with it over the weekend a bit more, but I think I'll likely pass it onto Ken, as I don't have a hdtv, nor do I have the harddrive space to really record hdtv

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SlicerDicer-:

I got a mountain in my way

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: cable

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SlicerDicer-:

yeppers

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xris:

kormoc: true

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SlicerDicer-:

thats why I am doing this firewire thing

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SlicerDicer-:

its working good

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SlicerDicer-:

just the damn thing wont interface with myth but I am working on it

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: that card will do hdtv over digital cable.. just not encrypted stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

really?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: leeenux support?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, yeah, but most of it's encrypted, so most of it's foobar

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: tnt, tbs, and so forth work

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, but the idea is, I might be able to get digital cable for free.

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kormoc:

well, the digital signal

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SlicerDicer-:

as well as pbs, cbs, nbc, abc etc

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, well, after this weekend, I can tell you how well it works :P

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

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kormoc:

the card is in my one box, I just need another cable splitter

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xris:

great... mythtv is hosed

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kormoc:

and was too lazy to hit up a radio shack tonight

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.cyberestore.com/images/hd5000-combo-c.jpg

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SlicerDicer-:

is that what you have?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: minus remote

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SlicerDicer-:

cool

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** xris kicks his air2pc card **

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I dont think thats healthy for it

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xris:

it's lost. needs help

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SlicerDicer-:

well kicking it wont help it get found

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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kormoc:

sure it will

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kormoc:

a nice kick in the ass brings all hardware to it's senses

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SlicerDicer-:

thats old tv's kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

well Cardoe after using that newer version

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SlicerDicer-:

its sort of working better

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Cardoe:

hey kormoc

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xris:

biggest issue is that the stupid thing starts off with the air2pc card instead of the pvr-150... air2pc fails, livetv dies

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SlicerDicer-:

its not locking my backend/frontend

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kormoc:

hihi Cardoe

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Cardoe:

hasq x11-libs/libX11 virtual/x11 && die "you suck"

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Cardoe:

that's going in the new ebuild

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kormoc:

ooh?

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: its sort of working better anyway hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

kinda

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SlicerDicer-:

but not really

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kormoc:

Cardoe, I think I meet that :P

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Cardoe:

what were some of the spellings and phrasing you wanted me to change?

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** kormoc trys to recall **

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kormoc:

Cardoe, well, I had mentioned the idea of putting the contrib stuff into /usr/share/mythtv

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ooh, a warning if the nvidia driver is one of the two 8xxx drivers that have issues with opengl timing

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SlicerDicer-:

well it always helps if mythtv is set to the right node!

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

so its set now I will find out of HDTV works

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feld:

i'm going to try mythtv-0.19_p9163

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feld:

if it keeps locking up on my SlicerDicer- i will be very angry.

[06:43:00]

feld:

angry enough t kill.

[06:43:02]

feld:

*to

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

[06:43:10]

feld:

*me

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feld:

damn i cant type

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SlicerDicer-:

ooooooo

[06:43:44]

SlicerDicer-:

drool!

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Cardoe:

feld: I'm idiot proofing 9163 some more

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Cardoe:

please wait

[06:44:02]

feld:

Cardoe: dont worry, i'll idiot proof it with you

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** kormoc is amused **

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feld:

19-r1 is broken for me anyway

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SlicerDicer-:

wtf?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I can watch HBO but not HBO HD through firewire?

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SlicerDicer-:

its working so I am testing

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: HBO encrypts

[06:45:11]

SlicerDicer-:

I am watching HBO itself

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SlicerDicer-:

channel 555

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Cardoe:

if has x11-libs/libX11 virtual/x11; then

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Cardoe:

echo

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Cardoe:

eerror "Congratulations. You've unmasked modular X but somehow managed"

[06:45:50]

Cardoe:

eerror "to royally screw up its installation. This means you've broke"

[06:45:51]

Cardoe:

eerror "dependancy checking for ALL your X based apps. You don't have"

[06:45:51]

Cardoe:

eerror "to believe me but don't insist the dependancies for MythTV are"

[06:45:53]

Cardoe:

eerror "broken, because it is you that is broken."

[06:45:55]

Cardoe:

die "You are broken"

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Cardoe:

fi

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Cardoe:

HBO encrypts HD

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kormoc:

Cardoe, heh, fair nuff

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SlicerDicer-:

HOLY SHIT

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SlicerDicer-:

hbo hd is working

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phar0e:

fuck you SlicerDicer-

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phar0e:

that's all I have to say

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kormoc:

Cardoe, I overrode x version checking myself, due to everything wanting to downgrade x

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:47:25]

SlicerDicer-:

mmm this is sexy!

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feld:

Cardoe: how much worse could it possibly get, Cardoe ? it 19 locks up randomly when watching livetv and brings the box to its knees and makes it unresponsive after eating 99% cpu for a while. its the frontend that does this. randomly... commercials, scene changes, sometimes the end of a show and BAM screen frozen 99% cpu.

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feld:

*in 19 it...

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Cardoe:

feld: Don't look at me

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kormoc:

feld, system stats?

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Cardoe:

That was the brand new lets shove it into the 0.19 release 7 days before actual release code

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Cardoe:

then release it's broken

[06:48:39]

Cardoe:

and put all the fixes in release-fixes-0–19

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Cardoe:

and not reroll the tarball

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feld:

athlon xp 3000+ nf2 mobo 512 pc 2700 ram nvidia mx 4000 pvr 250 emu10k1

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: so HDTV HBO works :)

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kormoc:

feld, and I assume your video drivers are less the 8000 or you are not using opengl timing?

[06:49:19]

feld:

kormoc: correct :)

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** kormoc ponders **

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feld:

i've done with and without xvmc, libmpg2 (or whatever that is), default, and never interlacing each with and without opengl on 6xxx to 7xxx drivers

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kormoc:

screwyness

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feld:

it has been a long time testing and i could never fix it.

[06:50:29]

feld:

this is with ivtv 0.4.2 and *3

[06:51:00]

kormoc:

if you can predictably do it, you might want to run iv though strace and see if you can see what's locking it up

[06:51:05]

phar0e:

!slap SlicerDicer-

[06:51:09]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:51:10]

phar0e:

oh wait

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phar0e:

!trout SlicerDicer-

[06:51:12]

** MythLogBot slaps SlicerDicer- with a trout on behalf of phar0e... **

[06:51:12]

feld:

release 18 does not have this problem at ALL. Oh, and Slicerdicer recommended I remove ACPI, which I have, and it did not fix it. Also, APIC has been disabled and it still did it.

[06:51:24]

feld:

kormoc: ivtv isnt what locks up

[06:51:29]

feld:

its mythfrontend :)

[06:51:30]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: why you so angry?

[06:51:35]

feld:

the backend is fine

[06:51:52]

kormoc:

feld, you can strace the frontend as well

[06:51:53]

phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: well let's see... I get 4 HD channels over firewire... and you get EVERYTHING

[06:51:53]

feld:

if i catch it when it locks up quick enough I can exit back to the main menu and then continue watching livetv again

[06:52:01]

SlicerDicer-:

lol phar0e

[06:52:05]

kormoc:

feld, by iv I ment it

[06:52:11]

SlicerDicer-:

why should it be any differnet? ;-)

[06:52:12]

feld:

kormoc: yah...

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phar0e:

it shouldn't, man HBO HD would be nice... good movies

[06:53:04]

SlicerDicer-:

might be the box I have

[06:53:07]

SlicerDicer-:

I have the DVR box

[06:53:13]

** kormoc blinks **

[06:53:20]

phar0e:

what model#/cable company?

[06:53:21]

SlicerDicer-:

they ran out of the others

[06:53:28]

SlicerDicer-:

so they gave me the DVR with the DVR part disabled

[06:53:30]

feld:

kormoc: I'm hoping the "Fixed segfault when attempting to skip commercials in LiveTV

[06:53:35]

feld:

has something to do with it

[06:53:41]

kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

[06:53:44]

phar0e:

SA8300HD?

[06:53:50]

SlicerDicer-:

I dunno

[06:53:53]

SlicerDicer-:

let me look

[06:53:55]

phar0e:

okok

[06:54:31]

SlicerDicer-:

dct 3412

[06:55:23]

phar0e:

the world would be so much better if everyone was perfect

[06:55:31]

feld:

phar0e: amen!

[06:55:32]

feld:

lol

[06:55:45]

xris:

so weird. delete my cards, recreate the cards.. twice. then everything works again

[06:56:11]

SlicerDicer-:

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! baby!

[06:56:16]

SlicerDicer-:

Discovery HDTV works

[06:56:25]

phar0e:

cry, they took my DHD away :(

[06:56:30]

phar0e:

and my TNTHD

[06:56:38]

SlicerDicer-:

I have TNT

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phar0e:

PBS?

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SlicerDicer-:

havent checked

[06:56:56]

Cardoe:

someone try this

[06:56:59]

phar0e:

I hope you don't get PBS

[06:57:00]

SlicerDicer-:

serious though I can touch this!

[06:57:01]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:57:05]

Cardoe:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1.ebuild

[06:57:21]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: on it in a sec

[06:57:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I want a HDTV now

[06:57:45]

SlicerDicer-:

hah

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phar0e:

I use my 19 inch LSD monitor and it works great, placed it right at the foot of the bed

[06:58:26]

feld:

oh LSD

[06:58:27]

feld:

can i have some

[06:58:33]

SlicerDicer-:

I am using my 20 inch LCD hd dispaly

[06:58:34]

phar0e:

oops, I mean LCD

[06:58:48]

feld:

phar0e: darn i was looking for another dealer :( mine got shot :(

[06:58:54]

phar0e:

:<

[06:59:01]

Cardoe:

kormoc: try that ebuild?

[06:59:06]

kormoc:

feld, just go lick toads a bit

[06:59:08]

Cardoe:

it should give you a contrib folder

[06:59:11]

kormoc:

Cardoe, shall do

[06:59:22]

feld:

Cardoe: whats with the -r1 u got there? anything super important?

[06:59:52]

Cardoe:

feld: like I said

[06:59:53]

Cardoe:

idiot proofing

[07:00:01]

feld:

k :)

[07:00:10]

feld:

i know i'm already an idiot. would you like proof?

[07:00:11]

Cardoe:

adds a contrib directory

[07:00:20]

Cardoe:

some more checks on your configuration

[07:00:27]

Cardoe:

some insults for stupid things

[07:00:34]

feld:

ahh, nice

[07:00:34]

Cardoe:

some dependancy tweaks

[07:00:40]

Cardoe:

oh it changes around the USE flags.

[07:00:43]

Cardoe:

forgot about that

[07:01:25]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah, it did a bit

[07:01:29]

phar0e:

anyone have tips for managing 100,000+ files and directories?

[07:01:36]

Cardoe:

phar0e: rm -rf /

[07:01:41]

feld:

phar0e: hire your help?

[07:01:46]

kormoc:

phar0e, a very logical strict structure

[07:02:16]

Cardoe:

kormoc: only nvidia and unichrome got dropped

[07:02:19]

Cardoe:

in favor of xvmc

[07:02:22]

feld:

anyone here know file recovery on XFS? my gf thought it would be "funny" to delete my 20gig porn collection :(

[07:02:32]

phar0e:

lol

[07:02:35]

kormoc:

Cardoe, what's up with the VIDEO_CARDS section?

[07:02:38]

feld:

now no more mythtv porn :(

[07:02:52]

Cardoe:

feld: maybe she wants you to pay more attention to her?

[07:02:58]

Cardoe:

kormoc: it's for the xvmc

[07:03:02]

feld:

Cardoe: she watches some of it with me

[07:03:14]

feld:

i dont ignore her lol...

[07:03:20]

phar0e:

tell her I thought it was pretty funny, so mission accomplished

[07:03:22]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah, I have nvidia set in my videocard secion, and xvmc was disabled

[07:03:37]

kormoc:

feld, she's just tired of the stuff you got, get new, more exciting stuff

[07:03:40]

feld:

phar0e: yeah next time i'm changing rights so its read only

[07:03:53]

phar0e:

who taught her how to delete anyways?

[07:03:56]

kormoc:

feld, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Disadvantages

[07:04:03]

kormoc:

feld, "Recovering deleted files and such off an XFS filesystem is almost impossible"

[07:04:07]

phar0e:

disadvantages, uh oh

[07:04:12]

feld:

kormoc: but I just got "My Daughter is Dating BlackZilla". I thought she'd enjoy that one. It was quite hilarious.

[07:04:37]

kormoc:

basically, most journaling filesystems have very hard times dealing with recovering deleted files

[07:04:56]

kormoc:

as they need to mark the space as free in a way the journal won't accidently bring back to life

[07:05:17]

Cardoe:

kormoc: well.. do you have xvmc support?

[07:05:19]

kormoc:

most of them do this, by zeroing the entire file's filesystem descripters, so it's really hard to find it and bring it back

[07:05:27]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yes, I do

[07:05:37]

Cardoe:

so use the xvmc

[07:05:40]

Cardoe:

USE flag

[07:05:42]

Cardoe:

it's more standard

[07:05:43]

Cardoe:

;)

[07:06:07]

kormoc:

fair nuff :P

[07:06:29]

feld:

oh well, I can find more lol. XFS rules though. I love it.

[07:06:58]

feld:

I use it extensively on my boxes with reiserfs only in places where necessary... portage, ccache, tmp dirs....

[07:07:13]

xris:

wow, suddenly I can't edit any recordings.

[07:07:16]

** kormoc shudders **

[07:07:39]

kormoc:

feld, I stick to ext3 cause I enjoy knowing my filesystem well enough to recover from my screwups :P

[07:07:50]

feld:

kormoc: i've had ext3 eat it self several times

[07:07:55]

kormoc:

ooh?

[07:08:02]

feld:

as have others...

[07:08:13]

kormoc:

wanna explain more?

[07:08:56]

feld:

if you want some interesting stories (50% of these are probably ricers, so not every situation is likely for most users), go read the gentoo forums. Lots of horror stories about ext3, as well as reiserfs. I guess shit is bound to happen to someone.....

[07:09:22]

feld:

kormoc: couple hard poweroffs and it was unrecoverable. fscking did not do anything but make things worse. that's all I remember...

[07:09:25]

kormoc:

ext3 is considered the most stable of all the journaling filesystems, resier is considered the lest stable.

[07:09:30]

Cardoe:

Are we testing p9163-r1?

[07:09:31]

kormoc:

feld, interesting.

[07:09:35]

mogorman:

ext3 is as stable as it gets

[07:09:36]

kormoc:

Cardoe, I'm compiling it, aye

[07:09:36]

** Cardoe cracks the whip **

[07:09:44]

mogorman:

reiserfs 4 is probably best

[07:09:50]

feld:

omg what?

[07:09:53]

mogorman:

and xfs is in the middle

[07:09:53]

feld:

reiser4?

[07:09:56]

feld:

are you on crack?

[07:09:57]

mogorman:

as its very stable

[07:10:03]

mogorman:

go read benchamrks feld

[07:10:05]

kormoc:

xfs is more stable the reiser.

[07:10:07]

mogorman:

its the fastest

[07:10:21]

kormoc:

xfs is now the default in the redhat enterprise linuxs I beleive

[07:10:24]

mogorman:

its more cpu intensive as you are moving more data

[07:10:25]

feld:

reiser4 is NOT stable, supports very VERY few arches, and is not upgradable unless you create a new filesystem

[07:10:31]

mogorman:

i agree

[07:10:38]

mogorman:

if you want stable use ext3

[07:10:44]

mogorman:

its what i always use

[07:10:53]

kormoc:

but ext3 is very much the most stable and all around good filesystem.

[07:11:01]

feld:

I used reiser4 for 2 months... 1 year ago exactly, and found it no faster than ext3 + dir_index or reiserfs

[07:11:17]

mogorman:

i dont think anything is worth the risk

[07:11:22]

mogorman:

ext3 is tried in true

[07:11:23]

kormoc:

feld, I've done stuff like destroying the supernodes on my ext3 filesystems, and I've recovered from that.

[07:11:43]

kormoc:

hard poweroffs, accidently pulling the power on a drive while it was writing, etc.

[07:11:56]

feld:

Hanz Reiser has dropped the ball. Once again he failed to create a filesystem that doesnt fragment and destroy itself over time.

[07:11:57]

kormoc:

I've really nailed ext3 hard, and it's been happy and nice for me

[07:12:46]

feld:

He claims Reiser4 uses the same methodology as XFS for preventing fragmentation, but it doesn't. It's a half assed attempt that doesnt work correctly.

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tfm:

long live ext3 !

[07:16:20]

feld:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

[07:16:20]

feld:

Database error was:

[07:16:21]

feld:

Duplicate column name 'generic'

[07:16:26]

feld:

uhh how does one fix that?

[07:19:10]

Cardoe:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

[07:19:10]

Cardoe:

better

[07:19:22]

** Cardoe sighs. **

[07:19:26]

Cardoe:

feld: what DB?

[07:19:31]

Cardoe:

5.0.18-r30?

[07:19:33]

Shape_awy:

myth is a real pain in the ass to install setup

[07:20:54]

Gumby:

Shape_awy: not if you read the docs its not

[07:21:20]

Shape_awy:

the docs are problem, no two are alike and too many dist.

[07:21:32]

Gumby:

use the official docs

[07:21:47]

Gumby:

its not the creators of mythtv problem that different distros do all sorts of wacky things

[07:22:05]

Gumby:

if you compile from source it'll be the same everytime

[07:22:10]

Gumby:

no matter the distro

[07:23:24]

feld:

Cardoe: nah 4.x and I fixed it

[07:23:35]

feld:

mysql administrator... found the "generic" column and deleted it

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eiggirC:

tfm: ext3 is slow to delete large files, and has issues with files over 2 Gb afaik

[07:24:35]

Gumby:

ext3 doesnt have issues with files over 2GB

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feld:

eiggirC: it was a general filesystem discussion, not related to mythtv if that's what you're thinking

[07:25:05]

feld:

XFS can have a max filesystem size of 18 million terabytes

[07:25:09]

feld:

w00t

[07:25:10]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: I've cleaned the doc a bit

[07:25:18]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: unfortunately there's more deleting then adding going on

[07:25:21]

Cardoe:

kormoc: how's the emerge?

[07:25:39]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: on the phone I will have to do it after I am done

[07:25:40]

eiggirC:

feld: okay fair enough.

[07:25:45]

eiggirC:

feld: sorry for butting in

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kormoc:

eiggirC, there's no issues with files over 2 gb with ext3, I've delt with plenty before

[07:26:09]

kormoc:

Cardoe, still going, it's updating the work as well

[07:26:21]

eiggirC:

kormoc: oh okay – I remember thinking when I made my backup server raid "thank christ I didn't use ext3"

[07:26:29]

eiggirC:

cos some of the files exceed 110 Gb

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feld:

eiggirC: not butting in at all, just wanted to make sure you didnt have the wrong view of the conversation :)

[07:28:47]

kormoc:

eiggirC, as long as you have large file support enabled, ext3 supports files as large as 8 exabytes

[07:30:24]

Guybrush:

good thing my largest file is only 5.4 exabytes

[07:31:19]

kormoc:

Guybrush, that's a lot of porn

[07:31:29]

Guybrush:

its very high res

[07:31:55]

Guybrush:

a nipple takes up like 8 megapixels

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: INHD, DHD, TNTHD, HBOHD, ABC, PBS, NBC, CBS, NWCN so far tested :)

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kormoc:

Guybrush, I'd love to see the building you keep those hard drives in

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Guybrush:

kormoc: ive created a rift in the space-time continuum

[07:33:31]

kormoc:

ahh, I see

[07:33:53]

SlicerDicer-:

cinemax looks nice too

[07:33:55]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: this kicks ass

[07:34:09]

Guybrush:

i installed mythtv just for emulators

[07:34:17]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: every last channel works

[07:34:20]

SlicerDicer-:

no matter whats on it

[07:34:21]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[07:34:25]

Guybrush:

then i found out fce ultra doesnt support remapping keys

[07:34:28]

Guybrush:

...

[07:37:06]

feld:

Cardoe: if i wake up tomorrow morning and mythtv didnt lock up, I think that your version is pretty good to go hehe

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tfm:

eiggirC: I have numerous amounts of files over 2GB on ext3 and have _no_ issues at all

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hello_man:

hi guys

[07:41:51]

hello_man:

I have a question..

[07:42:07]

hello_man:

I have debian dith dvb drivers for budget card.

[07:42:23]

hello_man:

it used to hang because of Twinhan eeprom corruption so i needed to give bttv options

[07:42:39]

hello_man:

i have it in a state where I could boot with my card installed

[07:42:51]

hello_man:

my question is, what will it take to have mythtv install now

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris is kcts pbs?

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Shape_awy:

anybody running the plextor convertx?

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: 14 hd channels is what I have

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** SlicerDicer- ducks **

[08:01:14]

eiggirC:

I've changed EPG source, and one of my FTA channels has dropped considerably in quality. Are they connected ?

[08:02:22]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: emerge it?

[08:02:32]

SlicerDicer-:

not yet sorry Cardoe I am going out of my mind here hehe

[08:02:33]

SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvhbo.jpg

[08:02:40]

SlicerDicer-:

I got 14 hd channels :)

[08:04:18]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: yes

[08:04:22]

** Cardoe pokes SlicerDicer- with a stick. **

[08:04:38]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: I will do it :)

[08:04:42]

SlicerDicer-:

can you link me the ebuild plz

[08:04:59]

Cardoe:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1.ebuild

[08:05:04]

Cardoe:

xris: poke kormoc with a stick too

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of xris... **

[08:05:29]

Cardoe:

he's not here.

[08:05:32]

xris:

Cardoe: pretty sure he went to bed

[08:05:33]

Cardoe:

he was testing the ebuild for me

[08:05:39]

Cardoe:

told me it was still compiling

[08:05:42]

Cardoe:

then just went to bed

[08:05:43]

SlicerDicer-:

alright Cardoe will test it

[08:07:15]

xris:

I think I'm going to go to bed, too.

[08:07:18]

xris:

later.

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dtm:

why does the fedora mythtvology process want kino?

[08:24:24]

dtm:

is that normal?

[08:25:59]

SlicerDicer-:

hi dtm

[08:26:03]

dtm:

SlicerDicer-: herrow

[08:26:17]

SlicerDicer-:

dtm: you use the firewire right?

[08:26:24]

dtm:

negatory. usb2

[08:26:28]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh

[08:26:43]

SlicerDicer-:

what HD channels do you get?

[08:26:49]

dtm:

none! why?

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[08:27:35]

dtm:

i have analog US cable.

[08:28:00]

dtm:

actually i have only a usb1.1 host adaptor so my pvrusb2 is in usb1.1 mode.

[08:28:17]

dtm:

and i keep it at 2500kbps

[08:28:19]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh I thought you had HDTV haha

[08:28:19]

dtm:

mpeg2

[08:28:24]

SlicerDicer-:

my molesteak

[08:28:29]

dtm:

:-.

[08:30:25]

dtm:

well congrats on yours.

[08:30:29]

dtm:

i saw that pic

[08:31:10]

bio_:

what the heck is a molesteak?

[08:31:12]

bio_:

:)

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bio_:

ah, mistake? ^^

[08:35:57]

dtm:

^_^

[08:37:03]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: emerge work?

[08:37:35]

bio_:

Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 168, <STDIN> line 13.

[08:37:44]

bio_:

anyone ever saw this when using nuvexport?

[08:37:51]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: my myth system is recording atm I will be done in 23 mins :)

[08:38:04]

SlicerDicer-:

sorry hehe

[08:45:04]

SlicerDicer-:

cardoe ok time to test :)

[08:46:51]

shiznix:

any clues on howto debug the 'no sound' (tm) problem with mythtv when no errors appear on stdout or in any logs ?

[08:47:05]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: got a moment?

[08:47:57]

Cardoe:

yes

[08:48:08]

SlicerDicer-:

You've unmasked modular X but somehow managed to royally screw up its installation

[08:48:10]

SlicerDicer-:

you rock :)

[08:48:28]

SlicerDicer-:

anyway I was wondering is that backendonly and video_cards* thing new?

[08:48:37]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: did you get that error msg?

[08:49:03]

SlicerDicer-:

nah of course not I was just reading it and got a good laugh :)

[08:49:15]

Cardoe:

the video cards thing is for XvMC

[08:49:55]

Cardoe:

backendonly uses the backend only ./configure call

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SlicerDicer-:

emerging

[08:50:03]

SlicerDicer-:

alright

[08:50:13]

SlicerDicer-:

well I am doing xvmc :)

[08:50:40]

SlicerDicer-:

ebuild seems to be working

[08:50:59]

Cardoe:

you should have the right video card setting

[08:51:03]

Cardoe:

and xvmc set

[08:51:07]

Cardoe:

and you'll get xvmc support

[08:51:09]

Cardoe:

hopefully

[08:51:16]

SlicerDicer-:

I have a 4800SE so I been meaning to do it anyway

[08:51:41]

SlicerDicer-:

I heard the 6*** and 7*** gfx cards dont like xvmc

[08:52:18]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: now to figure out why I cannot set a recording profile for firewire input hehe

[08:53:00]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm I dont understand it :/

[08:53:11]

SlicerDicer-:

it gives me the blank spot to enter in the name but wont let me enter a name

[08:53:23]

Cardoe:

odd

[08:53:28]

SlicerDicer-:

any ideas?

[08:53:49]

Cardoe:

nope

[08:53:52]

Cardoe:

gimme hardware

[08:53:54]

Cardoe:

;)

[08:53:58]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[08:54:08]

SlicerDicer-:

I will send you a firewire cable :)

[08:54:25]

** Cardoe ponders what he's suppose to plug it into **

[08:54:44]

SlicerDicer-:

well you got to get a cablebox with firewire!

[08:55:52]

SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvhbo.jpg Cardoe check that out though

[08:55:58]

SlicerDicer-:

its very odd cause everybody says they are encrypted

[08:56:03]

SlicerDicer-:

I wonder if its the box I have

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phar0e:

I dont think that's HD

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: it is

[09:03:31]

SlicerDicer-:

just that was not a HD program on the HD channels

[09:03:43]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: let me get a new pic hang on

[09:05:36]

Cardoe:

what are you using to take the pic?

[09:05:54]

SlicerDicer-:

my piece of shit fone cam

[09:06:25]

SlicerDicer-:

tis all I got

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shiznix:

aah...i think i've found the problem – mythtv-0.19-r1 sound works, mythtv-0.19_p9163 sound does not work

[09:07:13]

shiznix:

the latter including some patchset to LiveTV

[09:07:19]

** Cardoe just deleted -r1 **

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** shiznix files a bug **

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Cardoe:

shiznix: it's patches from the myth stable branch

[09:07:34]

Cardoe:

er release-0-19-fixes

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SlicerDicer-:

holy shit phar0e a car crash on hbo looked scary as hell

[09:07:47]

SlicerDicer-:

that was not nice

[09:07:51]

Cardoe:

shiznix: logs?

[09:07:57]

SlicerDicer-:

this is a pretty gruesome movie lol

[09:08:19]

shiznix:

<shiznix> any clues on howto debug the 'no sound' problem with mythtv when no errors appear on stdout or in any logs ?

[09:08:23]

SlicerDicer-:

makin me look at it EWWW ;-)

[09:09:01]

shiznix:

has been compiled with usual USE flags, including +arts

[09:09:12]

Cardoe:

ugh.

[09:09:13]

Cardoe:

arts

[09:09:25]

Cardoe:

what are you using for sound output?

[09:09:37]

shiznix:

/dev/dsp

[09:09:41]

shiznix:

alsa OSS emul

[09:09:45]

Cardoe:

did you try "ALSA:default"

[09:09:47]

Cardoe:

or "ARTS:"

[09:09:55]

SlicerDicer-:

refresh that image phar0e sorry for it being so dark I will take a pic again when its not so dark

[09:11:17]

shiznix:

myth does not give me those options, either /dev/dsp, /dev/sound/dsp, /dev/adsp or /dev/sound/adsp

[09:11:36]

bio_:

enter it yourself

[09:12:12]

shiznix:

ok

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: so how's that emerge?

[09:12:36]

SlicerDicer-:

still goin

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Internat:

howdy.. i think mythtv is what i want, but ill explain anyway.. i have a tv capture card, ive used it in kunbut so i know it works.. what i want to know is if i put it in my linux server, can i use mythtv to stream it to other computers? obviously the other computers can only watch whatever channel the server is set to.. but im hoping that can be changeable by the users etc.. is mythtv the solution im looking for

[09:14:52]

Cardoe:

probably

[09:15:07]

Internat:

probably?

[09:16:32]

greg__:

it can do what you're asking for Internat

[09:16:49]

greg__:

you run the backend on your server, and the frontend on the clients

[09:16:55]

greg__:

the frontends can control what the backend tunes to

[09:17:00]

greg__:

the frontends are linux too right?

[09:17:05]

Internat:

ok thats a start.. now the next question is does the server need to run x11 or xorg

[09:17:08]

Internat:

no they arent

[09:17:10]

greg__:

d'oh

[09:17:16]

Internat:

i have a mac and a xp box..

[09:17:21]

Internat:

problem?

[09:17:29]

greg__:

i think there's a mac frontend but i've never tried it

[09:17:32]

greg__:

i've no idea about xp

[09:17:37]

Cardoe:

get an mpeg2 based card and stream it

[09:17:48]

shiznix:

Cardoe: that's actually worse, ARTS: crashes mythtv, ALSA:default does not work at all

[09:18:05]

Cardoe:

shiznix: well then not point in USE=arts

[09:18:21]

shiznix:

agreed, will take that out

[09:18:37]

shiznix:

however, the original problem still remains

[09:18:47]

Cardoe:

shiznix: something's wonky with your alsa

[09:18:49]

Internat:

so mythtv only really works with linux frontends?

[09:18:54]

greg__:

nope Internat

[09:18:56]

Internat:

err mythtv frontends*

[09:19:11]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: lemme know... ;)

[09:19:22]

SlicerDicer-:

just finished

[09:19:30]

Internat:

maybe vlc then..

[09:19:46]

SlicerDicer-:

worked fine it seems Cardoe

[09:19:48]

greg__:

not vlc

[09:19:59]

greg__:

you want the backend to watch tv and the frontend to control ti?

[09:20:07]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: got a /usr/share/mythtv/contrib directory with stuff in it?

[09:20:09]

shiznix:

the device (/dev/dsp using alsa OSS emul.), is accessed correctly as the audio can just slightly be heard if the volume is cranked all the way

[09:20:24]

greg__:

well, actualyl Internat, vlc may do it

[09:20:29]

greg__:

you can control vlc over a telnet socket

[09:20:30]

Internat:

greg__: i want the clients to watch it, and be able to control it to a certian degree

[09:20:44]

greg__:

and you can get vlc to stream video

[09:20:52]

Cardoe:

shiznix: so the problem is on the recording end

[09:20:56]

greg__:

the client would need to control it via either the telnet or the rc (remote control) interface

[09:21:13]

greg__:

would be my first guess. i've done similar sort of stuff but using the rc interface from a gui app

[09:21:16]

shiznix:

the mixer settings are correct afaict (ie. they haven't changed between mythtv-0.19-r1 & mythtv-0.19_p9163)

[09:21:18]

greg__:

on the same box as vlc is on

[09:21:31]

shiznix:

and have confirmed this with http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html

[09:21:33]

greg__:

it's not going to be easy tho

[09:21:36]

Cardoe:

shiznix: what kind of card?

[09:21:44]

Internat:

*ponders how well his switches support multicast

[09:21:47]

SlicerDicer-:

yep Cardoe

[09:21:52]

shiznix:

Cardoe: audio or tv tuner ?

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: cool

[09:21:54]

greg__:

i'd honestly check if theres a mythtv frontend for osx

[09:21:57]

greg__:

and use that, i think there is

[09:21:59]

Cardoe:

shiznix: v

[09:22:00]

Cardoe:

tv

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Internat:

my main concern is winxp actually

[09:22:15]

greg__:

vlc can do unicast streaming as well Internat

[09:22:23]

shiznix:

Cardoe: analog Hercules

[09:22:27]

Internat:

yes it can

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Internat:

multicast works tho if i have multiple clients

[09:22:34]

greg__:

ive no idea about mythtv frontends on winxp. even to wheether they exist or not. you check the website?

[09:22:52]

shiznix:

Cardoe: it's not a hardware problem, as i mentioned before, downgrade mythtv, sound works, use lateset, sound doesn't

[09:23:09]

Internat:

looking at the moment

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: whats the purpose of the /usr/share?

[09:23:41]

shiznix:

but i've not had a problem up until now

[09:23:51]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: it's got the stuff from the contrib folder in it

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greg__:

oh, Internat, if i remember right the rc interface/telnet don't support tuning the channel vlc is watching

[09:24:03]

greg__:

so you'd need some sort of remote way of doing that. how i dunno

[09:24:08]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: sweet

[09:24:22]

greg__:

maybe the #videolan guys can help. but i think it's gonna be a big project

[09:24:24]

Internat:

hmms that could be nasty

[09:24:38]

shiznix:

i'll downgrade for now & file a bug, maybe the Gentoo devs. will fix

[09:24:51]

greg__:

try a post to the mythtv list asking what you can do with a winxp frontend and a mythtv backend. maybe somebody can suggest something

[09:24:56]

Internat:

does mythtv actually stream it? could i use something like a vlc front end for mythtv

[09:24:57]

Cardoe:

shiznix: I am the Gentoo dev

[09:25:02]

Cardoe:

there is no one else

[09:25:03]

Cardoe:

just me

[09:25:05]

shiznix:

thanks for the help anyhoo

[09:25:14]

Cardoe:

file a bug

[09:25:17]

stuarta:

greg__: there is no windoze frontend

[09:25:26]

Cardoe:

all you're gonna get is more patches from release-0-19-fixes

[09:25:31]

greg__:

i mean client machine

[09:25:42]

greg__:

what can he do with a winxp client machine with a mythtv frontend?

[09:25:52]

greg__:

you can record the shows and then access via nfs or http

[09:25:53]

Cardoe:

and mythtv-0.19-r1 got deleted before you mentioned it

[09:25:57]

greg__:

but is there anything better he can do?

[09:26:11]

stuarta:

not much, download recordings from mythweb, thats about it.

[09:26:14]

greg__:

he could control the recording with mythweb or telnet

[09:26:21]

greg__:

k Stuarta

[09:26:23]

stuarta:

mythweb yes.

[09:26:42]

stuarta:

!see Merlin83b

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stuarta:

!seen Merlin83b

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MythLogBot:

Merlin83b is here and has been idle for 4 hours 11 minutes 2 seconds

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greg__:

hehe Internat, basically you're shafted trying that with mythweb, and i'd say at least as shafted with vlc :( sorry

[09:26:57]

greg__:

mythtv even

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stuarta:

if someone ever finishes mfd then maybe...

[09:27:42]

Internat:

bugga

[09:28:39]

greg__:

give mythtv and mythweb on your server a go Internat. It';s cool being able to schedule recordings from outside your home :)

[09:28:45]

greg__:

least you can watch the saved mpegs

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Internat:

i hate lose lose situations :/

[09:32:27]

greg__:

Well, you could dual-boot the frontends with Linux as well as Xp. then it's a win-win :)

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stuarta:

greg__: work has been done on an OSX frontend however...

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greg__:

yeah i mentioned that to him, but he says the XP client is the important one unfortunately

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: mind helping me for a moment?

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bio_:

hm, my idea would be installing linux in vmware on the xp-client

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: if your still awake :)

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: I know your mad at me but hey!

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greg__:

the vmware video card is a crappy S3 isn't it? How much does that slow things down?

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bio_:

not a nice solution, but should probably work i suppose

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greg__:

if it's play that'd be a good solution

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greg__:

an emulated crappy s3 even :)

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** stuarta cringes **

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bio_:

hmm dont know what video card it is

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Internat:

lol

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Internat:

recording would work.. but yeah.. hmms

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bio_:

recording is done on the backend

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daktak:

i get No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. but i have run mythtv-setup and made sure the box and the backend have the correct ips

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: I forgot I could take screenshots haha!! http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvmax.png

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SlicerDicer-:

somebody should slap me with a spoon or something

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SlicerDicer-:

!trout SlicerDicer-

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** MythLogBot slaps SlicerDicer- with a trout on behalf of SlicerDicer-... **

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Merlin83b:

Morning stuarta

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phar0e:

we aren't on speaking terms..

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phar0e:

hey SlicerDicer- MAXHD? i'm moving in, I hope you have a comfy couch

[09:46:27]

stuarta:

morning Merlin83b

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SlicerDicer-:

haha phar0e I got 14 channels buddy

[09:47:10]

SlicerDicer-:

max, hbo, starz and whats that other one?

[09:47:14]

phar0e:

well I have 4

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phar0e:

NBC, ABC, FOX and PBS

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: question for ya now!

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phar0e:

let's hear it !

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SlicerDicer-:

how do I setup a firewire recording group lol

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Chicago:

does surround sound on an emu10k1 get configured in /etc/modules.d/alsa or in mythtv?

[09:47:46]

SlicerDicer-:

when I try to do it wont let me

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phar0e:

you can't have a recording group for firewire AFAIK...

[09:48:13]

SlicerDicer-:

then how do I record it?

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phar0e:

it's mpeg2 TS, take it or leave it

[09:48:39]

phar0e:

well maybe I'm wrong, hmm

[09:48:56]

phar0e:

you tell it to record, assign a data source to it

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Merlin83b:

Find anything in your investigations, stuarta?

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stuarta:

nothing pretty thats for sure...

[09:49:56]

SlicerDicer-:

how did you set yours up to record phar0e

[09:50:04]

phar0e:

hey for windows, is it bad if your pagefile is 100% and memory is only 80% used?

[09:50:33]

Merlin83b:

Nothing that might cause the crashes, then?

[09:50:38]

phar0e:

I setup the firewire device as a capture card, I pointed my DD channel sources to it under input connections

[09:51:11]

stuarta:

no, it refuses to crash when I'm looking at it, and waits till early in the morning...

[09:51:22]

Merlin83b:

Heh, tried the setting recordings to go thing?

[09:51:35]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: is that your only input?

[09:51:38]

phar0e:

brb need to heat up some disgusting food i must eat

[09:51:41]

phar0e:

no I have two inputs

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Chicago:

anybody ever seen any sound device settings like ALSA:plug:surround50?

[09:51:46]

phar0e:

i'll tell you about it in a few minutes, brb

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stuarta:

Mine died an 710am this morning when it was doing nothing...

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SlicerDicer-:

ok phar0e

[09:52:11]

SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: whats it doing?

[09:52:26]

stuarta:

if I could work that out i'd fix it...

[09:52:36]

SlicerDicer-:

well the behavior

[09:53:22]

Merlin83b:

Mine went at 6:45 or so, doing nothing.

[09:53:27]

Merlin83b:

(Apart from EIT scanning)

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stuarta:

just dies. generally no errors, tho did have one glib error

[09:54:15]

Merlin83b:

No errors, yeah.

[09:54:20]

Merlin83b:

Would the debug build thing still help?

[09:54:25]

stuarta:

suspect memory corruption...

[09:54:40]

Merlin83b:

Plus I'd love to know why a load of my recordings are coming out with no files :<

[09:54:54]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: debug build helps when you can catch it in gdb or it dumps core.

[09:54:58]

Merlin83b:

I can always wrap backend so it starts up again, but missing recordings is bad, mmkay?

[09:55:04]

Merlin83b:

I'll sort a debug build out now.

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stuarta:

i think I might have to improve janne's patch a bit....

[09:56:05]

Merlin83b:

Which one's that?

[09:56:29]

stuarta:

ticket 1482

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phar0e:

I have firewire to record any show on my 4 HD channels, then I have svideo on a tuner card to capture everything else on the stb, so 2 sources, encoder 1 = svideo encoder 2 = firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: your firewire cant capture those channels too?

[09:57:07]

phar0e:

no

[09:57:08]

SlicerDicer-:

I can capture anything with the firewire?

[09:57:16]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[09:57:24]

phar0e:

only 4 channels via firewire, that's all they allow me, well technically 6, they give me 2 SD channels(CBS and KTLA)

[09:57:39]

phar0e:

well then you're what I refer to as a lucky fuck

[09:57:52]

SlicerDicer-:

You have roadrunner?

[09:57:55]

SlicerDicer-:

I have comcast hehe

[09:57:58]

phar0e:

yes

[09:58:11]

phar0e:

what's your upload/download rate?

[09:58:18]

SlicerDicer-:

12/1

[09:58:27]

phar0e:

what's that?

[09:58:49]

SlicerDicer-:

you mean in actual speed? like ***kb/sec?

[09:58:51]

phar0e:

12mbps up 1gbps down?

[09:58:56]

phar0e:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh its 12mbps down 1mbps up

[09:59:15]

phar0e:

i can't believe i'm forcing myself to eat such nasty food

[09:59:26]

phar0e:

I want comcast

[09:59:39]

SlicerDicer-:

I pay out the ass for my internet

[09:59:48]

SlicerDicer-:

179$ a month heh

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phar0e:

what city?

[10:01:03]

SlicerDicer-:

North Bend WA

[10:01:27]

phar0e:

I have relatives in Yakima

[10:01:41]

phar0e:

I will come visit and watch SKIN-A-MAX HD

[10:02:04]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[10:02:31]

SlicerDicer-:

I am addicted to this now heh

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SlicerDicer-:

I have been watching it nonstop for 4 hours

[10:03:21]

phar0e:

I've heard many good things about comcast, wish I had them instead of road runner

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SlicerDicer-:

well they have dogshit customer service

[10:05:16]

phar0e:

doesn't matter when they give you everything!

[10:05:33]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[10:05:42]

phar0e:

"um... is this the number for customer service? yes... i'd like to complain i'm having trouble dealing with everything"

[10:05:44]

SlicerDicer-:

my work order has so much shit on it that its 2 pages long

[10:05:51]

SlicerDicer-:

I cant say I dont use them ;-)

[10:06:23]

phar0e:

who was I talking to about Ali G in here? I want to say Gumbi

[10:06:44]

phar0e:

Gumby sir

[10:07:00]

SlicerDicer-:

oooo I think I followed frooo

[10:07:05]

phar0e:

let's compare hardware SlicerDicer-

[10:07:17]

SlicerDicer-:

lol no dont! you will be sorry ;-)

[10:07:22]

phar0e:

tell me what you have

[10:07:25]

Gumby:

yes, it was I

[10:07:36]

phar0e:

Gumby: I picked up both season 1 & 2 on DVD today at bestbuy

[10:07:44]

Gumby:

phar0e: lol, nice

[10:07:51]

phar0e:

i'm excited!

[10:08:01]

SlicerDicer-:

3500+ AMD with 2gb ram 500gb storage, 4800SE, audigy 2 and a dvd recorder in mythbox

[10:08:28]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: its pretty much a clone system with my desktop :)

[10:08:33]

phar0e:

I can beat that!

[10:08:39]

phar0e:

well some aspects

[10:08:51]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont have a dual core yet cause I am waiting for AM2 hehe

[10:09:02]

phar0e:

I ordered a 3700+ AMD64 and they sent me a 4000+ instead

[10:09:05]

SlicerDicer-:

no need to upgrade considering 939 is a dead platform pretty much

[10:09:19]

phar0e:

939 is dead? ugh just bought 2 939 processors + mobo

[10:09:32]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah my 3500+ that I got first I got like 6 days after release

[10:10:03]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah phar0e 939 is dead the last CPU made for it the FX 60 I think is what it was

[10:10:13]

SlicerDicer-:

its all going 940 with AM2 in june according to toms harware

[10:10:48]

SlicerDicer-:

but its known that AMD is doing away with 939 and everything is going 940 and then opterons are not going to be 940 anymore they will be 1206 or something like that

[10:11:21]

phar0e:

argh I hate computers

[10:12:12]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean 939 cpus will still be around thats for sure

[10:12:18]

SlicerDicer-:

but nothing new will be around for it

[10:12:57]

** stuarta is still on the one before 939 :) **

[10:13:06]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[10:13:23]

stuarta:

but my specs are almost the same as yours...

[10:13:43]

SlicerDicer-:

in june I am thinking about getting the AM2 5000+

[10:13:56]

stuarta:

that dual core?

[10:14:01]

SlicerDicer-:

dunno depends on cost of course

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SlicerDicer-:

yer stuarta

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SlicerDicer-:

is there any way to specify what tuner will record what?

[10:48:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean I cannot seem to get my firewire input to be specified for HDTV

[10:49:03]

SlicerDicer-:

so it seems that my SDTV hauppauge is trying to capture HDTV with nothing happening lol

[10:54:09]

stuarta:

you have to make sure the hdtv channels only exist on 1 card from myth's point of view

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SlicerDicer-:

how do you do that?

[10:54:47]

stuarta:

i believe you would have to setup a different datasource for the hdtv card.

[10:55:12]

SlicerDicer-:

alright thanks :)

[10:55:14]

SlicerDicer-:

I will do that

[10:55:35]

SlicerDicer-:

delete the HDTV channels from the other datasource and add them on the hdtv one

[10:55:59]

stuarta:

you most likely need 1 sd datasource & 1 hd datasource.

[10:56:05]

SlicerDicer-:

alright

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah the HDTV one can record all the same channels as SDTV :) just it has hdtv capability hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

alright I am off to sleep

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stuarta:

damn backend, die when I debug you!!!

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_athen:

hi every1

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_athen:

is any1 with a dvb (FF card) setup around?

[11:23:32]

stuarta:

ppl with std dvb cards are around

[11:24:05]

pjn:

what is a FF card?

[11:24:29]

stuarta:

Full Featured, has support for a CAM

[11:30:59]

_athen:

and also has mpeg2 decoder on board and most of the cases also tvout

[11:31:22]

stuarta:

anyway, what was your question.

[11:32:50]

_athen:

I`m about to build a myth box around a dvb FF card setup and I`m mainly interested in a quiet and not too warm box...so my q is what load should I expect under a p3 cpu with a dvb FF card?

[11:33:47]

_athen:

does myth uses card`s hw features (mainly its mpeg decoder)?

[11:34:28]

stuarta:

for recording the dvb stream is already in mpeg format, so it's simple operation

[11:34:30]

Merlin83b:

Woo. I now have a debug ridden backend running, stuarta.

[11:34:55]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: lets hope it breaks then :) Mine is refusing....

[11:35:23]

stuarta:

_athen: not sure about the playback side tho...

[11:35:30]

_athen:

stuarta: watchin live tv with a ff card under myth how much cpu load puts on?

[11:36:07]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: If the debug build stops it breaking (watched pot...) then I'll be happy ;-)

[11:36:15]

stuarta:

that part i don't know...

[11:36:27]

Merlin83b:

Now I just have to attach a gdb to the running backend...

[11:36:30]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: sometimes it takes longer....

[11:36:46]

Merlin83b:

Oh crap, I don't have gdb installed.

[11:36:48]

_athen:

a vdr setup takes about 1–2% from a p3@500 with a ff card

[11:37:31]

Merlin83b:

apt-get install gdb

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stuarta:

_athen: hopefully, you should see similar numbers, but I don't know...

[11:39:23]

_athen:

what dvb cards ppl use here?

[11:39:28]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: So how do I attach gdb to mythbackend?

[11:39:51]

Merlin83b:

_athen: Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T (x2)

[11:40:13]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: gdb /<path to>/mythbackend <pid>

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stuarta:

then type cont, and it'll resume running..

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_athen:

Merlin83b: that`s budget card (no mpeg2 decoder on board) so cpu load must quite high

[11:41:40]

Merlin83b:

It now is. Fingers crossed for a crash :-)

[11:42:03]

Merlin83b:

_athen: I'm using a VIA Epia, which has an MPEG2 decoder.

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stuarta:

_athen: I use 2x dvb-t cards (basic), no mpeg decoder, but lots of cpu.

[11:43:12]

_athen:

Merlin83b: oh I see, and how much cpu it takes to watch live dvb (mpeg2) material?

[11:43:39]

Merlin83b:

Something like 30%, _athen.

[11:44:13]

_athen:

Merlin83b: when decoding is done by mpeg2 chip or by cpu only?

[11:44:34]

Merlin83b:

_athen: MPEG2 chip via XvMC.

[11:44:56]

Merlin83b:

Bearing in mind it's a 1GHz C3 processor, so it's not altogether beefy :-)

[11:44:58]

greg__:

if it's a cle266 they only have mpeg2 acceleration,

[11:45:06]

greg__:

not full decode like the cn400

[11:45:08]

Merlin83b:

It is, greg__.

[11:45:16]

greg__:

thought so from the 30% cpu uasge

[11:45:25]

greg__:

still, plenty of head-room there :)

[11:45:36]

Merlin83b:

Indeed, 30% doesn't worry me :-)

[11:45:50]

stuarta:

room for debugging :)

[11:46:13]

Merlin83b:

Hasn't crashed yet...

[11:46:17]

greg__:

haha

[11:46:24]

Merlin83b:

A recoding is set for 12–12:30 so that might kill it.

[11:46:38]

Merlin83b:

recording even, since that's a different thing altogether!

[11:47:01]

greg__:

my final year project would crash inside gnome-terminal, but not inside xterm or gdb

[11:47:12]

greg__:

so if you're really unlucky even running it inside gdb could stop the crash :))

[11:47:20]

greg__:

i've only seen that very very rarely tho

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Merlin83b:

I attached gdb once it was already running.

[11:47:36]

Merlin83b:

But, if that fixes it I'l just run from inside gdb all the time ;-)

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_athen:

interesting though,...as I told you under vdr watching live tv takes no more than 2%

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greg__:

hehe

[11:47:58]

greg__:

whats vdr?

[11:48:11]

greg__:

live tv takes about 14% cpu on my cn400 via

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greg__:

but thats 14% of 1.3ghz, so it's not tonnes of cycles

[11:49:50]

_athen:

http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ a quite popular pvr setup here in europe...but not so many features like myth

[11:50:28]

_athen:

greg__: live tv with what source?

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stuarta:

_athen: I'd ask again in 4–5hours when a few more people wake up

[11:51:26]

stuarta:

the difference is with a ff card you just feed it the entire stream.

[11:51:40]

stuarta:

no xmvc etc etc

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greg__:

a pvr500 athen

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greg__:

hard encode and hard decode on my system. lets me have a low power system

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_athen:

what do you mean by "hard encode"?

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greg__:

though i wish i'd bought the 800mhz sp8000 now instead, as it's fanless and 800 mhz would have done me i think

[11:53:02]

greg__:

the pvr500 does hardware mpeg encoding. i get analogue signals

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_athen:

mpeg2 I guess?

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greg__:

yep

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greg__:

the via has mpeg4 decode acceleration, not full decode

[11:53:55]

greg__:

dunno if mythtv lib supports that. i've never tried it

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_athen:

anyway if I want a quiet/cool box I`ll go for no transcoding at all, but a large hdd on top of the ff card

[11:55:02]

_athen:

just plain mpeg2

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greg__:

i'd recommend a via with mpeg2 decode, for quiet/cool. if you replace the fan that comes with it with a even quieter one. but they're quirky as hell to setup

[11:56:00]

greg__:

so i'm not sure i'd wish them on someone without a touch of guilt :)

[11:56:13]

_athen:

ff cards have their onw mpeg2 decoder

[11:56:18]

greg__:

ahh cool

[11:58:34]

_athen:

my q was if the myth system can take full advantage of these boards features

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_athen:

not to mention that mobo has (sigma em8400) mpeg2 decoder too...anyway is useless due to the poor support/open source openness of sigma

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Jasper:

morning people

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Merlin83b:

Hi Jasper.

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: So this recording claims to be going on but it's not creating the output file :<

[12:20:57]

Merlin83b:

(not crashed yet)

[12:22:20]

stuarta:

that's an interesting one...

[12:22:26]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, it's not good.

[12:22:34]

Merlin83b:

/myth/tv is set to 777

[12:22:41]

Merlin83b:

/myth iss 755

[12:22:57]

Merlin83b:

Plenty of free space.

[12:25:18]

Merlin83b:

Hmm, wonder if it's the thing making preview images...

[12:25:18]

Merlin83b:

http://pastebin.com/594278

[12:26:23]

stuarta:

that one might be worth popping over to #mythtv & seeing if there is someone alive who knows what to chase with that...

[12:27:53]

Merlin83b:

See if anyone responds :-)

[12:28:06]

stuarta:

apart from me :)

[12:28:25]

Merlin83b:

Unless seeing in that channel helps you!

[12:33:56]

Merlin83b:

afk for a while for someone's leaving gathering, back in a bit.

[12:34:51]

Roey:

hey

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Merlin83b:

Just before I do, the recording has finished and the BE didn't crash.

[12:35:05]

Roey:

what do you guys think of blu-ray and hd-dvd requiring HDCP??

[12:35:21]

Merlin83b:

I think it's got very little to do with MythTV ;-)

[12:36:26]

Roey:

yes yes but this being a media-oriented channel I think you guys might have an opinion about it

[12:38:11]

Roey:

at the very least, it'd make it hard to take an HD-DVD and hook the output to a Myth box

[12:38:18]

Roey:

to distill it into a cdrom or something

[12:38:23]

Roey:

(the video and sound, at least)

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Guybrush:

hey, does anyone know how to set up mythtv to be controlled by a USB gamepad?

[13:10:49]

bio_:

does anyone has mythtv working with bemused?

[13:10:54]

bio_:

have

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joelw23:

if my pc has a mp3 share of \servermymusic

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joelw23:

how do i get that to mythtv

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joelw23:

what path do i use in mythtv to get to the share

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joelw23:

anyone??

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greg__:

that looks like a samba share, if it is you can add a mount point for that on your linux box. then just browse to it through the normal filesystem

[13:40:19]

bio_:

and i just wanted to answer

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greg__:

have a google for "samba and fstab"

[13:40:27]

bio_:

allready started typing :)

[13:40:34]

greg__:

hehe sorry ;)

[13:40:50]

Jasper:

joelw23 just make a link?

[13:40:50]

stuarta:

too late, he left b4 either of you answered :)

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greg__:

oh lol

[13:40:57]

greg__:

blind

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bio_:

hmm, the detection for duplicate recordings, when does it take place? at least in the recording schedule, the recording is listed twice

[13:49:20]

greg__:

it doesn't say anything like 'will be recorded earlier' in one of them?

[13:49:29]

greg__:

that's what mine does

[13:49:53]

greg__:

in mythweb anyway, i don't really use the normal interface for scheduling recordings

[13:49:54]

bio_:

nope, doesnt

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bio_:

maybe i have to switch the type of recognition

[13:50:28]

greg__:

mine includes description, and the same program can havea different description based on the channel its on

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greg__:

eg if it's a one liner or some reviewer

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greg__:

it even can have different descriptions on the same channel for the repeat with the radiotimes feed

[13:50:51]

bio_:

yeah, thats the problem

[13:51:05]

greg__:

i leave it like that so i don't miss battlestar two parters :)

[13:51:05]

stuarta:

subtitle matching seems to work okay

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bio_:

its on one channel, the first appearance has title and description

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greg__:

aye stuarta, but not for 2 part episodes

[13:51:20]

bio_:

the rerun has only title

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greg__:

it's the fault of the xml source not mythtv

[13:51:40]

greg__:

they should said part 2 in the subtitle

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bio_:

and its not in the subtitle menu but in description

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stuarta:

yeah, the monkeys type the same thing 5 different ways...

[13:52:46]

greg__:

hehe yep :)

[13:52:52]

greg__:

they should upgrade to chimps

[13:53:01]

stuarta:

same for the eit data.

[13:53:30]

stuarta:

last week e4+1 had the same times as e4

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bio_:

theres nothing like substring-matching? :)

[13:55:22]

stuarta:

seen what's in eitfixup???

[13:55:39]

stuarta:

most of that is trying to fix monkey output to be consistent

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stuarta:

afternoon juski

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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Juski:

tfif :-)

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stuarta:

mmmm.... almost beer o'clock too....

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bio_:

beer *dream*

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Juski:

not far off

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bio_:

what time is it at your location?

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Juski:

2:10pm

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Juski:

yeh wossit to ya?

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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bio_:

lol. 15:10 ;)

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** Beirdo pokes MythLogBot **

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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Beirdo:

stupid flood protection.

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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bio_:

oh beirdo, maybe you can answer me a question to nuvexport

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

maybe so :)

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bio_:

hmm, damn. works now ^^

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bio_:

but i chose different settings. one moment plz

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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Beirdo:

OK, I still have some work to do on the flood protection side, it seems

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bio_:

ok, there it is. when i enable noise reduction i get: "use of uninitialized value in numeric lt(<) at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 168, <STDIN> line 12."

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Jasper:

Beirdo :P

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Jasper:

Beirdo I thought it was only gonna be logging ?

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bio_:

stuarta: cause i would like to see the differences in quality, as it mentions it would bring better quality

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stuarta:

are you on dvb?

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Beirdo:

need to be able to search the logs too

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bio_:

me not

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Beirdo:

the authenticate only is in privmsg, and will be used for things like plugin unload/load, etc

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Beirdo:

uses s/key one-time-passwords

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dinki:

Hi guys, can someone give me a push with a problem I'm having? I just added a pvr150 to my system that previously only had an Avermedia M179 (running mythtv .18.1). When I go to watch live tv, I get a black screen on the 150, but the 179 works fine. I've swapped the cards around and I get the same results. /dev/video0 always works while /dev/video1 always goes to black. What should I check?

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bio_:

both configured in mythtv-setup? ;)

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bio_:

ah damn, left allready

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Juski:

ooo just got this in my email.. simpsons fans.. watchy: http://www.themailout.co.uk/video/simpsons.mpg

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bio_:

:) i have 3 pcs named springfield, shelbyville and ogdenville

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stuarta:

anyone ever heard of cpudyn stopping bring the kernel down?

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Juski:

stuarta: sounds feasible to me

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stuarta:

that why my machine dropped off the net yesterday :(

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stuarta:

used to work, now it doesn't.

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stuarta:

probably means my cpu is dying...

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Breeze_:

Could someone point me to info to speed up my mythtv. Everything works, but there's a 10 second lag -_-

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DGnome:

10 second lag on ABSOLUTELY everything?

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Breeze_:

Well I only tested the Composite thing on my PVR-500

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Breeze_:

And I can't play any ps2 games :p

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Beirdo:

you won't be able to with an MPEG encoder

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Juski:

won't be able to with a framegrabber in mythtv either

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Beirdo:

if you want to play games on a capture card, you will need a frame capture type, and run tvtime on it from a menu

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Breeze_:

Got any tutorials/keywords/etc?

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Beirdo:

don't know of any, but I know others have done it

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Beirdo:

with a PVR-500, there will ALWAYS be delay in the MPEG encoder on-card

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Juski:

it's easy enough to make a menu item to open tvtime

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Juski:

buy a $10 tuner & use that in the machine but don't use it for myth

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Beirdo:

precisely

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Juski:

you don't want recordings to conflict with game playing now do you? ;)

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Beirdo:

tvtime and xawtv both just overlay the video from the framegrabber to the video card

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Beirdo:

that's the only way you'll get nearly lag-free operation

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Juski:

there'll be a teeny bit of lag but you won't notice it

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Beirdo:

mythtv always records and plays back, even in live-tv mod

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Beirdo:

mode

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Breeze_:

ah they're different from mythtv?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Juski:

Breeze_: mythtv records _everything_

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Beirdo:

but you can run tvtime from a meny in myth easily enough

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Beirdo:

menu even

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Juski:

even livetv, which is why it's so great

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Breeze_:

and tvtime and mythtv cant work together on one card?

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Juski:

Breeze_: no

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Juski:

not at the same time. one has the device or the other, not both

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Breeze_:

ah, makes sense now

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Juski:

anything else would be bad programming

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Juski:

just buy a real cheap TV card & use that for your gaming

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Juski:

tuners on cheap cards are usually crap, but you don't want it for its tuner

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Breeze_:

ok

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Beirdo:

as long as it has the inputs you need and working linux drivers, should be good :)

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Breeze_:

gona see how fast tvtime is now, thanks for the help :)

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Shape_awy:

anybody running the plextor convertx?

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gboutwell:

I have an old TV Tuner card... AverMedia TV Phone 98 I believe (from memory)... I'm wonder what sort of specs I'm going to need to put together to get resonable livetv from this card.

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gboutwell:

I didn't see much in the MLs about this particular AverMedia card... most things where on new or what I believe where newer cards.

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gboutwell:

Anyone have experience with this card and a set-up that worked reasonably well for livetv and/or game emulators?

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Beirdo:

you'll have to find if it has working Linux drivers

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Beirdo:

it's likely to be bttv

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gboutwell:

Beirdo: Yes it's bttv... I believe I'd had xawtv working with it in linux at one point.

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Beirdo:

OK. well, generally speaking, you want > 1GHz for bttv to be useful

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Beirdo:

it will be encoding video to MPEG4 (usually) in software

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Beirdo:

and playback requires a wee bit too, but it's the recording that will be the biggest issue, generally

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gboutwell:

Hmm... Ok.

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gboutwell:

What sort of RAM would be a good base line? 512? more?

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Beirdo:

I've seen it done in way less than 1GHz, but there are many compromises needed then

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Beirdo:

yeah, 512MB should be decent

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Beirdo:

that's what my PVR has

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Shape_awy:

i love howto's that list kernel options that are not even in the menu config

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gboutwell:

Well my TV isn't big... It's actually a typical TV/VCR combo... Probably like 13", so my expections of large resolutions isn't that big.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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Beirdo:

my boss had myth working for a year on a Celeron 450 or so

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Beirdo:

with a bttv card

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gboutwell:

What are some typical base-line disk space requirements.... I figure on probably using Ubuntu and it's mythtv packages.

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Beirdo:

but it was painful to setup, and needed mucho compromise

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

baseline for system is dependant on the distro, etc

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Beirdo:

for recordings... as much as you can :)

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Beirdo:

trust me, you'll fill it

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gboutwell:

Yeah I figured I would.... I don't know how much recording and saving the recording we'll be doing initially...

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Beirdo:

I'd start at 120G for recordings as a minimum, but you'd fill that pretty quick once you are into it

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Beirdo:

I use 400G for recordings and rarely am under 300G used

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** Juski agrees, with some 220GB of recordings still to watch or delete **

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Juski:

my my, these new cameras I got have manuals... I better R the F them

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ivor:

lol. no-one reads manuals.

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Juski:

I didn't RTFM before plugging it in though

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Roey:

ha

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Roey:

hahaha

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** Roey gets himself like that, too. But with many things. **

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Shape_awy:

anybody running the plextor convertx?

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mog_work:

i do Shape_awy

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Shape_awy:

and it works?

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mog_work:

great

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mog_work:

only thing that sucsk

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mog_work:

is audio is raw

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mog_work:

and i cant find anyway to transcode just audio

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Shape_awy:

2.6 kernel?

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mog_work:

so my files end up being 700mb

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mog_work:

2.6.15

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Shape_awy:

what kernel opts did you select?

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mog_work:

none

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mog_work:

just stock debian kernel

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mog_work:

and their driver

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mog_work:

i modprobed the device

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mog_work:

and built mythtv from deb-src packages

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mog_work:

and it all worked on my mac mini

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Shape_awy:

i have the drivers but i myhth will not detect it

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mog_work:

hmm

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mog_work:

it might not be loaded properly

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mog_work:

that was my first problem

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mog_work:

or run dmesg

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mog_work:

and make sure the firmware loaded

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mog_work:

i had a problem with that at first

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Shape_awy:

maybe i just get a pvr250

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mog_work:

hehe if you want to get rid of the tv402u

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mog_work:

id love another one

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Shape_awy:

mog_work its telling me driver loaded but no Go7007 devices found?

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dtm:

is it possible to have a 0.18.1 backend and a 0.19 frontend?

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dtm:

or is that a pointless pursuit?

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bio_:

hm, trying to connect from work using mythfrontend to my mythbackend at home. connection is via vpn. do i have to enable allowed subnets somewhere in the backend?

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Hoxzer:

where do I set time that mythtv waits untill it starts recording

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bio_:

wait until recording?

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Hoxzer:

like if movie starts 3:00 pm

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Hoxzer:

I could set mythtv to start 3mins later to start record

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Hoxzer:

and record would start 3:03 pm

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bio_:

hm dont think later works. by now i saw only recording earlier

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Hoxzer:

geez

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bio_:

who wants that anyway ;)

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Hoxzer:

because some channels here use dynamic subtitles

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bio_:

you could turn your clock back 3 minutes ;)

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Hoxzer:

that means subtitle string (or what they call it) starts every time again when something new happens

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Hoxzer:

and mythtv doesn't grab subtitles :(

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Hoxzer:

maybe I try to set "start ealier" to 0

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Hoxzer:

bio_: btw where do I set that "start ealier"?

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bio_:

you can do it for every film, when you set the recording properties

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bio_:

and there is a general config somewhere, but dont remember right now with that vast amount of menus

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Hoxzer:

k

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bio_:

its under tv settings

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bio_:

and there general

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Juski:

dtm: you can't have a 0.18 anything with a 0.19 something else

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bio_:

4th page or something like that

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dtm:

Juski: noted. set sail for upgrade!!

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bio_:

damn im sure there was a menu where one could set the subnet frontends are allowed to connect from

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Jasper:

hmm

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Juski:

bio_: it's more likely a mysql thing you need to configure. mythtv will accept connections from anywhere AFAIK

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bio_:

hm yeah, mysql was the first i did and dont know by now, where there should be a problem with mysql. then i thought i could remember that there was an option in mythtv, but maybe im wrong. at least i cant find anything neither in frontend, nor in mythtv-setup

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xris:

any dvb users in here?

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xris:

preferably FTA users in the US...

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xris:

s/dvb/dvb-s/

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Juski:

xris: dvb here in the yoo-kay

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xris:

Juski: -s?

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Juski:

evenin Kelerion.. cameras have come & they're bobby dazzlers :)

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Juski:

xris: nah dvb-t

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xris:

I'm having trouble doing a channel scan.. I think I just need to know the satellite numbers, though... but whatever scan I try to do hangs at 3%.

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nuonguy:

Has anyone used one of these things with Linux or MythTV before? http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 53&type=

[18:32:00]

nuonguy:

How do these things work? What kind of driver support do you need?

[18:32:13]

bio_:

is there any way to get mythfrontend into verbose mode or something like that. the information regarding the connection to the sql-server is not very much

[18:32:19]

rsquared:

a friend of mine has one but uses it with windows

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rsquared:

but it works great

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nuonguy:

Why does it have both ethernet and wireless?

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rsquared:

i think it comes w/a winamp plugin

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xris:

bio_: -v all

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rsquared:

in case you don't have wireless

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** xris is still waiting for the page to load **

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nuonguy:

yeah, obviously

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bio_:

yeah thanks xris: thats really obvious but i looked through the switches before and overlooked it :/

[18:33:31]

nuonguy:

but, it's sold as 'wireless'

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rsquared:

i would imagine it's really inexpensive to add the chip for wired

[18:33:51]

** xris will stick with the airport express **

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nuonguy:

xris: why?

[18:34:19]

xris:

nuonguy: becuase it perfectly integrates with itunes on my wife's ibook

[18:34:32]

nuonguy:

How does it work? Do you stream via mythstream or something or does it should up as a sound card or what?

[18:34:34]

xris:

and it's a great wireless base station

[18:34:49]

xris:

airport? no. it only works with itunes

[18:35:09]

xris:

my mythbox is plugged into my stereo if I wanted to do that, but I really don't like mythmusic.. it's too slow.

[18:35:09]

nuonguy:

These 'music bridge' devices in general, or this one specifically...

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xris:

nuonguy: the airport express... apple's wireless base station with integrated audio.

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xris:

totally unrelated to the linksys one

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dtm:

i don't suppose that mythbackend needs to be compiled with -O3

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rsquared:

ok... mythstreamtv works

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rsquared:

now i just gotta do mythstreamlive and i'm ready for baseball

[18:36:44]

kormoc:

dtm, not at all

[18:36:53]

xris:

rsquared: someone really needs to email the author of that and get him to submit it for inclusion in mythweb

[18:37:03]

Led-Hed:

when watching livetv from mythtv, is there a way to increase / decrease the delay between the stream and "Ture" Live TV broadcast?

[18:37:03]

rsquared:

i've talked to him via yahoo before

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dtm:

kormoc: if i do "

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rsquared:

but as far as he said, he just sorta hacked it together

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dtm:

kormoc: if i do "--extra-cflags=-O2" willl that take precedent over the eexisting -O3?

[18:37:38]

xris:

rsquared: I have just a few feature requests and once those are done I really want to get it into mythweb

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kormoc:

dtm, it should

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rsquared:

sweet... want me to get you in contact w/him?

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xris:

Led-Hed: pause for a few seconds?

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dtm:

kormoc: there is no CFLAGS in the Makefile.

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kormoc:

they get autodetected

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Led-Hed:

xris: I was hoping for another solution

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xris:

Led-Hed: why do you want a longer delay?

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Led-Hed:

xris: I want to increase it a few seconds.

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xris:

why, though?

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kormoc:

so you can beep out the swear words?

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dtm:

kormoc: gcc -c -pipe -O2 -w -O3 <-- which one is active? ;)

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Led-Hed:

xris: sometimes I get hickups when watching livetv, where if I pause for 3 sec or so, the hickups go away

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kormoc:

dtm, it should go left to right, so -O3 should override -O2

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Led-Hed:

xris: so I wanted to increase the delay 3 sec, to I dont have to to it all the time

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dtm:

kormoc: my mythbackend 0.18.1 dies without terminating the process occasionally so i was wondering if it's coz it was compiled with -O3 on a wicked old RH9 era compiler.

[18:40:35]

dtm:

kormoc: it happens about once a week or month

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gboutwell:

What seems to be the most hassle-free distro/method for getting MythTV on a computer?

[18:40:59]

kormoc:

dtm, perhaps. You could always upgrade your compiler

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dtm:

gboutwell: i just did the fedora method

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kormoc:

gboutwell, fedora seems the most popular, followed by knoppmyth

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xris:

Led-Hed: odd

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dtm:

gboutwell: i manually installed one package, perhaps coz i'm on centos and not on fedora, and it was fully auto

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dtm:

now in the process of upgrading from 0.18.1 to 0.19

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Led-Hed:

xris: what is? the hickups / lag?

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xris:

gboutwell: whatever you're most familiar with... fedora, knopmyth, ubuntu and gentoo are all pretty easy to set up.

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rsquared:

that's weird... i have a recording in my mythstreamlive that's not in my recorded programs on mythweb

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xris:

Led-Hed: the hiccups, yes

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gboutwell:

Ok... I prefer debian-based.... I'll probably go then wtih Ubuntu... Thanks.

[18:43:13]

Led-Hed:

xris: its not as though they happen 100% of the time. but when I get them, they stick around till I change channel or pause / skip back

[18:43:45]

Led-Hed:

xris: happens about 25% of the time with LiveTV

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dtm:

i suppose i'll have problems if i configure the src to not build the frontend, on my system which only runs the backend, but it is 233 MHz and will take a long time to build ^_^

[18:44:48]

Led-Hed:

wasn't a big issue for me before, because I only used my Myth as a DVD Jukebox, but now that my ReplayTV took a crap I use it for TV watching also.

[18:45:15]

Led-Hed:

4 pvr-250 in backend, 5 frontends

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rsquared:

dang

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xris:

gboutwell: knopmyth is debian

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kormoc:

dtm, perhaps it's the 233 mhz that's the issue? :P

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dtm:

kormoc: :-o

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Led-Hed:

rsquared: 3 of the frontends are actually my kids computers, set to Dual Boot WinXP or MythTV. When they want to watch TV or DVD's they boot into Myth.. Works out well

[18:47:44]

rsquared:

nice

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rsquared:

i'd totally have something like that setup if i had more roommates/bigger place

[18:48:13]

rsquared:

i need to install frontend on my mac in my room

[18:48:19]

rsquared:

since i have no tv in there

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rsquared:

and i have a 20" cinema

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rsquared:

since i have no more office :(

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Led-Hed:

TV/DVD on computer monitor looks great

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rsquared:

oh! i know why my mythbox was kinda lagging last night

[18:49:20]

rsquared:

i had the backend set to verbose=all

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rsquared:

heh

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rsquared:

but yeah.. this is weird.. i have an oddball recording in mythstreamtv

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rsquared:

that i didnt' tell to record

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rsquared:

and doesn't show up in the frontend, nor mythweb

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rsquared:

man.. my dad's HD camera is sweet

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xris:

rsquared: livetv recording?

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rsquared:

whussat? the random recording?

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xris:

y

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rsquared:

it could be

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rsquared:

like the buffer maybe?

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rsquared:

but it starts at teh beginning of the show

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rsquared:

and ends ... at the end

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xris:

weird

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rsquared:

man... my p4 2.0 can barely play 720p

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Led-Hed:

dont say that

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rsquared:

************************************************

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rsquared:

**** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****

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rsquared:

************************************************

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rsquared:

at least that's what mplayer tells me

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kormoc:

xris, speaking of which, how's your new box handling hdtv?

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Led-Hed:

I was thinking of moving to HD

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** rsquared <3 HD **

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kormoc:

rsquared, if you have an nvidia card, might want to try the xvmc video display lib

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rsquared:

yeah.. it's just my work machine

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rsquared:

so i'm like whatever

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xris:

kormoc: I think the recording system is too slow, and my reception sucks

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xris:

mostly the reception

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rsquared:

sounds like you need more cowbell

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xris:

2.4G is too slow to record and play back at the same time, though

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rsquared:

xris: i was able to barely w/xvmc

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rsquared:

on my p4 2.8

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** kormoc blinks **

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xris:

rsquared: xvmc made it worse on my 2.8 64bit p4

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xris:

er, p-D

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** kormoc really wonders why it worked so much better on his 2.4 **

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rsquared:

hrm

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xris:

my 2.4 doesn't have xvmc (pundit w/SiS chipset)

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rsquared:

cuz i got it running at home now on a 3.0 p-D

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rsquared:

no xvmc and it works great

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rsquared:

xris: i talked to the guy that did mythstreamlive, and he says he hasn't had time to update it for 0.19

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xris:

HD doesn't really do me much good, though

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xris:

heh

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rsquared:

how come?

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rsquared:

i have issues watching SD

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xris:

rsquared: I don't have an hd-capable tv

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rsquared:

which is why i'm so pissed about 5c

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rsquared:

ah

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rsquared:

yeah... i'm outputting 720p from my computer to my tv

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xris:

and not really anything I watch is HD, anyway.

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xris:

though scifi and foodtv should *eventually* be HD

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** kormoc drools **

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xris:

heh

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kormoc:

good eats in hdtv

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kormoc:

yummy

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rsquared:

hehe

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xris:

kormoc: it's already being shot in HD as of this season

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kormoc:

sweet

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xris:

people complained because the new cameras make things look too crisp and "digital"

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kormoc:

xris, so you recorded it once in sd, then again with the 150, and gonna again with the dvb card, and then again with hdtv? :P

[19:04:37]

xris:

but mandate came down from above to start shooting all new shows with HD gear

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kormoc:

ooh?

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xris:

kormoc: nah. I'm not going to be archiving it in HD

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xris:

and I can't record it with the dvb card, that'd be illegal.

[19:05:16]

xris:

that, and I can't even get FTA to work.

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** xris hopes GreyFoxx comes back soon to help him set up that channel scan **

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Krazylegz:

xris: Hey.

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Krazylegz:

xris: Want to enlighten me about your cookware? :-)

[19:10:06]

xris:

oh?

[19:10:15]

xris:

what kind of cookware?

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kormoc:

xris, he's looking for a sauce pan, nonshallow, 2.5 qt or so

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rsquared:

that sucks... i had a gift card for viking home chef, and they don't offer classes at the one near me anymore :(

[19:11:32]

xris:

to cook what? le creuset is my fav for that sort of thing, but they're expensive.

[19:11:35]

Krazylegz:

xris: What kormoc said.

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Krazylegz:

Yeah, I don't want to spend that much.

[19:12:03]

Krazylegz:

Rob recommended the Calphalon hard-anodized ones.

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rsquared:

maybe i'll buy a rabbit corkscrew

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dtm:

what do you use to compile mythtv on a G3 with linux? --cpu=750 ?

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kormoc:

dtm, it should autodetect iirc

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xris:

Krazylegz: those are good. esp. if you have a Ross nearby you can get them from the clearance bin

[19:13:15]

Krazylegz:

Hmm.

[19:13:20]

Krazylegz:

I didn't know Ross had that stuff.

[19:13:28]

Krazylegz:

kormoc: Does he mean the same Ross that's around here?

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dtm:

kormoc: yeah it does and then totally fails on the asm

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, likely

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xris:

Krazylegz: they do in the clearance section sometimes. my mom got a whole set for like $100

[19:13:43]

Krazylegz:

Cool.

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xris:

Krazylegz: "dress for less"

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dtm:

kormoc: in cpu_accel.org

[19:14:21]

Krazylegz:

xris: That's the one.

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dtm:

kormoc: ha!! cpu_accel.o

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rsquared:

ok.. i'm gonna go battle the new tape library some more

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xris:

rsquared: blech on the corkscrew... they don't work on all corks, the screws bend and have to be replaced... waiter's helper is the best imho (even my ah so! one tears up corks)

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kormoc:

dtm, PowerPC 750 > up: this works on G3's and G4s, -mcpu=750 -mpowerpc-gfxopt -mmultiple -mstring

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dtm:

kormoc: i've never heard of those options.

[19:15:24]

dtm:

kormoc: do you konw what they do? where'd you find this?

[19:15:49]

dtm:

kormoc: mythtv 0.18.1 built before just with '--cpu=750'

[19:16:09]

dtm:

kormoc: of course a backend doens't need any cpu opts of any kind afaik

[19:16:19]

kormoc:

dtm, gentoo's cpu database :)

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dtm:

oic

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kormoc:

dtm, -mpowerpc-gfxopt can build in specific graphic optimizations, mmultiple and mstring I have no idea about

[19:17:48]

kormoc:

dtm, depending on your tv card, the backend might need to be rather beefy

[19:18:15]

dtm:

kormoc: it's a hardware usb encoder so it doesn't.

[19:18:34]

dtm:

i got mad raging usb 1.1, 10baseT, and 233 MHz

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xris:

dtm: um, is 1.1 fast enough?

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dtm:

xris: the very question boggles the mind. i just said i built a whole myth setup around it, and i presume that you know that usb 1.1 is 12Mbps.

[19:25:32]

bio_:

anyone has his frontend standing in another room then his television? if so, how do you control the frontend. thinking of buying a bluetooth keyboard

[19:25:33]

dtm:

:)

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dtm:

far higher than any DVD i've ever heard of

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xris:

bio_: bluetooth will likely be too short range

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kormoc:

dtm, 12 MBps minus overhead

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xris:

dtm: I record at about 2.6G/hour.. I've never really seen more than about 2M/s from usb 1.1.. but that should still fit.

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bio_:

hm, the distance is not that far

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xris:

bio_: 10 feet?

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bio_:

my mobile has connect to the computer when im lying in bed

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xris:

that's impressive.

[19:27:53]

bio_:

no, more, but the adapter is one of those 100meter things

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bio_:

well, he doesnt reach that far, but more than 10 feet

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bio_:

even through the wall thats inbetween

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xris:

bio_: I can't even have my phone in my back pocket when using my headset. but I do know that a lot of computer peripherals are toned down as a security thing (so your neighbor can't steal keystrokes, etc)

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bio_:

have to check if i can get the signal when standing on the street

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xris:

anyway, there's also the ATI rf remote... I have a logitech rf keyboard that I really like.

[19:29:51]

feld:

mmmm Bluetooth... HomeRF was actually better than bluetooth, but bluetooth made it to the market first.

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bio_:

rf?

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SirPrize:

Is there anybody here from the UK? I'm having problems getting my Avermedia card to give a good signal for Channel 4, E4, E4+1, etc. BBC one and others are rock solid :(

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xris:

bio_: radio frequency... like bt, but proprietary

[19:30:20]

bio_:

ah

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dtm:

xris: well, thanks for your permission :)

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bio_:

got to check that

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SirPrize:

tzap gets an snr of at least 9a9a

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bio_:

hm, but with bt-keyboard id really have a huuuuuge remote control and all the functionality ;)

[19:31:10]

SirPrize:

went out and bought an amplified antennae today too, but that hasn't made any difference :-(

[19:31:14]

xris:

dtm: just wanted to make sure you knew what you were getting into. usb 1.1 is slow, no matter what you do.

[19:31:31]

dtm:

xris: i'm not getting into anything. i've been in this channel, using this, for months

[19:31:36]

xris:

oh

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xris:

thought it was a new system

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dtm:

xris: it's 12Mbps. no idea what you're talking about.

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dtm:

12Mbps is about double overkill for analog cable

[19:32:05]

dtm:

i use 2.5Mbps.

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dtm:

begging your pardon, sir

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dtm:

^_^

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kormoc:

dtm, just a FYI, usb 1.1's overhead is approx 4 Mbps or so

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dtm:

kormoc: w o w. i had no idear

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kormoc:

for a fully saturated device

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dtm:

that's a lot.

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dtm:

kormoc: how can that be

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kormoc:

dtm, http://www.usb.org/developers/whitepapers/bwpaper2.pdf

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dtm:

has anyone build mythtv 0.19 on qt3?

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dtm:

i think i'm gonna try disabling the frontend, coz i'm getting a bunch of QT gui errors

[19:38:51]

dtm:

on my RH9 equivalent

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dtm:

i may upgrade it as a last resort

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gboutwell:

xris: Yes knopmyth is... It it particularly newer or easier to set-up than Ubuntu for MythTV?

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xris:

gboutwell: doesn't really matter... I don't know if it's updated for .19 yet, either

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gboutwell:

xris: :) Ok... Been kind looking for an excuse to check out Ubuntu then... Hear lots of hype and haven't had much of an excuse to check it out.

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xris:

I'm not particularly impressed with it.. been using it for a few months at work, but will be going back to fedora when core5 comes out next week. would be a step up from debian, though.

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dtm:

does '--disable-frontend' prevent the backend from working?

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dtm:

it says it breaks things, but doesn't say what

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dtm:

where can i edit the CFLAGS?

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dtm:

oh they're in configure!

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DGnome:

dtm: :o

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Pitchin_uk:

Evening

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k-man:

anyone know how to set up auto shutdown and wakeup on mytthv?

[22:00:03]

k-man:

or a mythtv box i should say?

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Juski:

wow. everyone else has lives tonight ;-)

[22:09:02]

mog_work:

nah they are just watching tv

[22:09:17]

Pitchin_uk:

nah not me juski ;) – evening!!

[22:10:01]

Juski:

evenin Pitchin_uk

[22:10:21]

Pitchin_uk:

Mythweb is working a treat!!!!

[22:10:21]

Juski:

jus been watching Hustle.. not bad telly

[22:10:43]

Juski:

so, what you doing in here? miss us or is something else broke? ;-)

[22:10:59]

Juski:

come to think of it – wtf do I keep coming here for? lol

[22:11:32]

Pitchin_uk:

nah nothing is broke at the mo – (touch wood) just been left on my tod this evening)

[22:11:51]

Juski:

cool

[22:12:02]

** Klatuu wishes there were a script to run to automagically update mythvideo **

[22:12:34]

Juski:

got one of my new cameras rigged up temporarily (hanging out of a window).. looks fantastic – better than the expensive 'pro' one work lent me

[22:13:02]

Juski:

Klatuu – shouldn't be too hard to do

[22:13:14]

Pitchin_uk:

im cool with myth at the mo – its recording, mythweb is working with auhentication, music is importing – my next plan is to look at ssl but in no rush

[22:13:16]

Juski:

a bit of PERL should do the trick I reckon

[22:13:29]

Juski:

I've not even tackled ssl yet

[22:13:49]

Juski:

main reason being is that work's firewall blocks ssl in core time

[22:14:37]

Juski:

unless someone's on your subnet and they know your IP address there's not much anyone can do

[22:15:14]

Juski:

your average script kid won't get far I bet

[22:16:21]

Pitchin_uk:

so i shouldn't worry about those nasty ppl on the internet hacking me??

[22:16:24]

Juski:

I get lots of this though: [Fri Mar 10 18:05:36 2006] [error] [client 24.183.238.197] client denied by server configuration: /var/www/localhost/htdocs/

[22:16:44]

xris:

Pitchin_uk: ssh is easy enough, as long as you're not compiling by hand

[22:16:55]

Juski:

if you know the IP addresses you're gonna use to access your machine remotely just add 3 or so extra lines to your .htaccess file

[22:17:26]

Juski:

adds another layer – yeh it's 'easy' to spoof IP addresses but hardly worth it

[22:17:41]

Pitchin_uk:

xris – i using suse – so i have apache on by rpms and all the guides i find confuse the hell out of me

[22:18:22]

Pitchin_uk:

idealy i just want to feel sucure and not worry that i have ports open on my firewall!!

[22:18:59]

Juski:

you got to have open-ish ports or you'll never get in

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Juski:

I look at it this way.. it's not windows XP, so if someone gets in it'll be a damn sight harder to wreck stuff – maybe I'm being naeve

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Pitchin_uk:

exactly – is it worth worrying about anti – virus software??

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** Juski surfs bareback **

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Juski:

virus free since erm... well more than 12 months anyway (touch wood)

[22:20:33]

Pitchin_uk:

juski – i'll follow your lead :)

[22:21:13]

Juski:

ah well – I'm sitting behind a router with NAT, so that's my ports blocked.. not as good as SPI for sure but better than nothing

[22:21:52]

Juski:

and I don't go to any dodgy sites & I don't download random executables.. oh and I don't use MS IE or outlook

[22:22:18]

Pitchin_uk:

same here

[22:22:32]

Juski:

do the occasional online scan & always get a clean bill of health...

[22:22:59]

Juski:

plus I'd rather take the hit of having to reinstall / lose a bit of stuff – than lose system speed to some crummy AV program

[22:23:07]

Pitchin_uk:

juski – where do you do the online scans??

[22:23:20]

Pitchin_uk:

yeah def

[22:23:23]

Juski:

trendmicro, & another one

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Juski:

so I'm not exactly being cavalier – I know the risks & I'm willing to take them

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Juski:

nothing's ever 100% secure anyway. you can only ever do your best

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Juski:

that is – next to a PC with no input or network devices :-/

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lesshaste:

are reception issues on qam_64 in the uk well known?

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Pitchin_uk:

the only machine that is 100% secure is one that isnt on the internet!!!

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mog_work:

heh Pitchin_uk thats only secure as the locks on your door

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Pitchin_uk:

yeah def mog_work!!!

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Juski:

lesshaste: qam64 is a pile of shite

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Juski:

less error correction so they can stuff more channels in

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beavis:

mythtv review on linux.com: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/02/1756255

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Juski:

I dunno if this is coincidence, but I've just been looking back at my cctv event log. not a single youth has gone past my house tonight on this side of the road

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Pitchin_uk:

no target practice then!!

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Juski:

they better get a setup over the road too ;-)

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Nothingman:

hi, all

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Nothingman:

mythfrontend crashes with errors pertaining to opening my sound card

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Nothingman:

this is only since I upgraded to 0.19

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lesshaste:

Juski: ok.. but I have a tv that picks up the channels fine next to my pc that can;t

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lesshaste:

can't

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Juski:

lesshaste: if your signal isn't 100% pukka then yeh qam64 muxes won't work as well as the qam16 ones I'm afraid. might be time to upgrade your aerial and/or coax

[22:31:44]

lesshaste:

Juski: right.. internal aerial on pc card and no aerial on tv

[22:32:06]

Juski:

lesshaste: you should know that tv tuner cards are sometimes poo compared to set top boxes

[22:32:28]

Juski:

oh jesus you'll never get owt with an indoor aerial, not in the same room as a PC

[22:32:51]

lesshaste:

Juski: I know that now.. are there reviews I can look at to see which digital tv tuner cards are any good for reception?

[22:32:55]

Juski:

indoor aerials are bad enough on their own

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lesshaste:

Juski: tell me more about that... The tv has no aerial remember

[22:33:06]

Juski:

lesshaste: sadly not

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kormoc:

lesshaste, you can't hook up a aerial to the tv card?

[22:33:37]

Juski:

well, if you live in an old house, bugger all radio signals get thru the walls

[22:33:55]

lesshaste:

kormoc: I have an indoor aerial on the tv card. No aerial on the tv. The tv reception is great. The pc reception is bad on the qam_64 channels

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Juski:

if you have modern double glazing your windows block radio waves to a large extent too (K glass)

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Juski:

oh wait a sec.. NO aerial on the TV & you get a picture?

[22:34:19]

lesshaste:

Juski: I am on the NE corner of a tower block with the transmitter due SW of me

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lesshaste:

Juski: yes

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Juski:

or do you have a freeview box plugged into the TV?

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lesshaste:

TV is fine without an aerial

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lesshaste:

the freeview box is plugged into it yes

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Juski:

are you living like 2 foot away from the mast or something?

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lesshaste:

is that effectively an aerial?

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Juski:

aha that'll be it then

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lesshaste:

sorry.. what?

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Juski:

well of course if you have the freeview box in the TV you'll get a picture

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lesshaste:

why is that?

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Juski:

well the picture comes from the freeview box not the aerial socket of the TV ;-)

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lesshaste:

I understand.. but that has no aerial either

[22:38:13]

lesshaste:

so unless the freeview box is an aerial itself...

[22:38:39]

lesshaste:

tv+freeview box + no aerial = good picture

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lesshaste:

pc+tv tuner = bad reception

[22:38:56]

lesshaste:

pc+tv tuner +indoor aerial = = bad reception

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lesshaste:

Juski: am I missing something simple?

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Juski:

maybe the signal's too strong then

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Juski:

can you see the mast looming large outside?

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lesshaste:

http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe?DX=M& . . . p;OS=e14+8ps

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lesshaste:

it's 6 miles away :)

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lesshaste:

do any freeview boxes have digital outs? Maybe I could get one of those

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Juski:

nah

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lesshaste:

grrr

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Juski:

you got an aerial socket in your flat?

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lesshaste:

Juski: yes but it doesn't seem to work

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Juski:

get onto the landlord then

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lesshaste:

hmm... :)

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lesshaste:

that is what they call a long term solution ;)

[22:44:31]

UBL:

anyone here have the problem where mythfrontend just quits at the end of a show?

[22:44:34]

lesshaste:

could it just be a firmware problem

[22:44:35]

lesshaste:

?

[22:45:23]

Juski:

bbl – gonna watch some more telly

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lesshaste:

swine! :)

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xris:

holy crap, I got this thing scanning for channels

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kormoc:

booya!

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xris:

no idea what that means

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xris:

but at least it found SOMETHING

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charger`:

can I adjust the bitrate and dnr_mode, or does mythtv configure those automatically?

[22:54:24]

charger`:

or is there somewhere to adjust them that I'm missing?

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kormoc:

bitrate is in the recording profile

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kormoc:

donno what dnr_mode is

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charger`:

Dynamic Noise Reduction

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kormoc:

I didn't know myth did that

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charger`:

its a setting on my PVR-150

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kormoc:

ooh, likely you'd use ivtvctl to set that

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kormoc:

or in the module param list

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charger`:

I can set up the driver to do it, so if I cat /dev/video0 > temp.mpg, that file looks better

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charger`:

well I used ivtvctl to set it...then ran a mythfrontend, watched livetv, and checked...and mythtv had changed it back

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charger`:

my problem is I'm getting artifacts on fast movement

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kormoc:

it's not a setting I'm familar with myth setting

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kormoc:

but that doesn't say much

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xris:

charger`: is there a checkbox for it in the recording profile?

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xanderp:

i'm trying to get a snapstream firefly remote working on gentoo... anyone here doing that that can give me some help please?

[23:03:59]

charger`:

do you think the frame size could be causing jitter (not really sure what to call it, its "blocks" that look like they trail behind horizontal movement, sort of like a vertical square wave) ? its set at 480x480 (I would think it should be 640x480, or something that matches 4:3)

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charger`:

xris: is the recording profile in the frontend or backend?

[23:06:34]

xris:

charger`: the configuration for it is in the frontend setup

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kormoc:

xanderp, did you check the wiki?

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charger`:

well my only frontend I use is through xbmc...if I change it in the frontend, will it carry over to when the xbox sets up recordings and watches TV?

[23:08:16]

xanderp:

i tried some stuff i found off gentoo, but it said that it should work as an ati_remote. it didn't. I think i have a newer version of hardware PNP id, and it isn't recognized.

[23:09:18]

xanderp:

i meant stuff i found off google... not gentoo

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xanderp:

kormoc: which wiki were you suggesting i look at? mythtv?

[23:10:19]

kormoc:

xanderp, yeah, mythtv's wiki

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xanderp:

will check.. usually if it's there i get it from google, but didn't get any hits. will manually search the mythtv wiki

[23:11:39]

xris:

charger`: recording profiles are per tuner type... global

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xanderp:

kormoc: beirdo's wiki, or another one?

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kormoc:

xanderp, wiki.mythtv.org, the offical one

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xanderp:

ahh

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charger`:

thanks xris...testing ;)

[23:12:59]

xanderp:

off to read... thanks

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xanderp:

nada on the wiki... :(

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: how went the tester with the air2pc?

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kormoc:

none yet, as I said I would this weekend :P

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Beirdo:

it's the weekend, what's taking so long? :)

[23:26:17]

Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

heh, this thing called... uhh... starts with a w.... ends in a rk....

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Beirdo:

no, don't think I've heard of it

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Beirdo:

w...nk?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xanderp:

kormoc: thank you. i checked again on the wiki this time not for my remote, but for one of the ones i have seen that is supposed to be somewhat compatible, and found a different module to try to load. i tested that and after some small tweeking, my remote seems to be working now! Thanks again!

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kormoc:

xanderp, no problems :) glad to have helped :)

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xanderp:

now i just need to get my bluetooth keyboard and mouse to auto-associate and i'm golden!

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xanderp:

off to research... :)

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Pitchin_uk:

any ipod experts in here

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xris:

Pitchin_uk: depends on what about

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Beirdo:

xris: let your minion play :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

Beirdo, he is loaning me the card :P

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Pitchin_uk:

trying to connect it to my pc

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Beirdo:

now to think of how to do trac stuff efficiently...

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Ryushin:

I'm just trying to uprade to svn 9320. It seems that the protocal version has changed again and mythweb isn't working. Is anyone else having this issue? Is xris around for this right now?

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Beirdo:

you updated mythweb too, I hope?

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Ryushin:

Yea.

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Ryushin:

Erased my old installed (except for my .htaccess file) and copied everything over.

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xris:

Ryushin: if it changed, just bump it up in mythbackend.php until someone does it officially

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Ryushin:

I'm getting a compile error for mythplugins too for dvdnav. I know they have been doing a lot with that lately.

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Ryushin:

xris: Okay. Thanks. I'll do it right now.

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Ryushin:

Worked like a charm. Thanks.

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Ryushin:

Now to figure out the dvdnav problem.....

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Ryushin:

It looks like the myth plugins in svn are fairly broken right now.

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

still need to work on that flood protection crap

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Ryushin:

Does anyone else who is running want to upgrade to see if it's just me.

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Ryushin:

running SVN.

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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SlicerDicer-:

!trout Beirdo

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Beirdo:

wake UP, you dillhole bot

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Beirdo:

fine then

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

authenticate, help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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Beirdo:

gotta fix the flood control still

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Beirdo:

ah well

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Ryushin:

No other guinea pigs beside me eh running SVN?

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Beirdo:

not current SVN

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Beirdo:

mine is pre 0.19, I think

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Beirdo:

have too many other things on the go

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Ryushin:

C'mon, what's the worse that could happen. You wife would yell and make you spend the next few hours fixing it.

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Ryushin:

Would it do any good to post this on the mythtv channel?

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