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Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 00:04 UTC
[00:04:00] riddlebox: has anyone installed mythv on ubuntu?
[00:04:00] Beirdo: no, it's never been done.... Duh, of course people have
[00:04:00] sphery: riddlebox: many of the devs are using it.
[00:04:00] sphery: Someone in here can definitely help you--but not me.
[00:04:00] sphery: (don't use Ubuntu)
[00:05:00] Juski: no, only the guy at http://www.abarbaccia.com/.. and a few others (or so)
[00:05:00] riddlebox: I cannot get ivtv to compile
[00:05:00] riddlebox: I get this error: http://pastebin.com/575807
[00:05:00] Juski: apt-get build-essential
[00:06:00] Juski: *install
[00:06:00] riddlebox: thats the site I am following, and I have done that
[00:06:00] Juski: oh well
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[00:22:00] peecee: heya all...
[00:24:00] peecee: I'm having a problem with upgrading my ivtv when I did a dist-upgrade of myth via atrpms
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[00:25:00] peecee: now I keep getting ivtv complaining about not being able to find the firmware
[00:26:00] Juski: peecee: they changed the names of the firmware files
[00:26:00] Juski: see www.ivtvdriver.org
[00:26:00] peecee: I've dug through that whole site, even tried compiling from source
[00:26:00] Juski: www.ivtvdriver.org/firmware
[00:27:00] peecee: followed things to the letter, and I've obviously done something wrong.
[00:27:00] Juski: whoops: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[00:27:00] peecee: why wouldn't atrpms have done that right?
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[00:33:00] nuxil: ZeroDiv, you still around?
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[00:39:00] ZeroDiv: nuxil: whats up?
[00:40:00] nuxil: well.. small probmel with mythstream.. the settings menu works fine.. but in music menu when im suppose to open and listen to the stream.. nothing happend when i press the button
[00:41:00] nuxil: anyideas?
[00:42:00] ZeroDiv: I think most of the default music streams are dead now
[00:42:00] nuxil: it wount open.. i checked the *xml files 100 times and they are just like the install me files say i should put in them..
[00:43:00] nuxil: ZeroDiv i tryed some of em in mplayer and they work there..
[00:43:00] nuxil: i dont habe mythsteamweb tho.. is that nessesary?
[00:44:00] ZeroDiv: no
[00:44:00] nuxil: thought so
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[00:44:00] ZeroDiv: I never really used the audio streams
[00:44:00] cacophony: hi, how do I set up the backend so the frontend can connect to it
[00:44:00] ZeroDiv: try it without my modified parsers and see if it works
[00:44:00] cacophony: I followed the instructions to the dot but it still says it cant connect to backend
[00:45:00] nuxil: k i'll try
[00:45:00] nuxil: ZeroDiv but pressing the button should open it anyway?
[00:46:00] nuxil: or not?
[00:46:00] ZeroDiv: nuxil: are you sure you have all the required perl modules installed?
[00:46:00] cacophony: hello
[00:46:00] cacophony: I am here
[00:47:00] nuxil: ZeroDiv yes
[00:47:00] nuxil: i can dobble check tho
[00:47:00] ZeroDiv: nuxil: give me one of the music links that isn't working
[00:48:00] nuxil: well i cant tell cos the menu dosnt open
[00:48:00] kormoc: cacophony, if you are there, then where am I? Oh noes! I am LOST!!! LOST I SAY! LOST!!!
[00:48:00] cacophony: I don't follow.
[00:51:00] kormoc: cacophony, you see, when people say something that seems rather strange, likely they were making what's known as a 'joke'. It's a play on words or a situtation that amuses some people at times. That was an example of a joke.
[00:52:00] cacophony: oh
[00:52:00] cacophony: I guess I was sort of distracted by my problem that you were joking about
[00:52:00] cacophony: my bad
[00:52:00] kormoc: heh, I have bad taste at times :P
[00:52:00] dtm: i liked it.
[00:52:00] dtm: fyi
[00:52:00] ** gardengnome blinks **
[00:53:00] cacophony: ok then
[00:54:00] peecee: hey Juski – thanks a lot...that's one link I hadn't seen before.
[00:54:00] cacophony: how do I scan channels in xawtv, I dont know the freqencies of each channel
[00:54:00] gardengnome: cacophony: scantv
[00:54:00] cacophony: I dont have that one
[00:55:00] gardengnome: it's part of the xawtv package, usually
[00:55:00] gardengnome: are you on suse?
[00:55:00] cacophony: gentoo
[00:55:00] gardengnome: oh.
[00:55:00] Juski: tvtime can be good for analogue scanning too
[00:56:00] kormoc: it's part of xawtv on gentoo
[00:56:00] kormoc: it's just likely not in your path
[00:56:00] kormoc: try /usr/sbin/scantv or /usr/bin/scantv or /bin/scantv or /sbin/scantv
[00:56:00] gardengnome: just fix your $PATH then
[00:57:00] kormoc: gardengnome, have to figure out which one is broken first
[00:59:00] cacophony: nope, not there
[00:59:00] cacophony: dunno whats going on
[00:59:00] cacophony: but this is unnecessarily complicated
[01:00:00] cacophony: I was under the impression that getting my hardware to work with linux would be the hard part, but it turns out the hard part is the software – tons of useless databases, multitudes of programs, all needed to do one task
[01:00:00] cacophony: is there a version of mythtv that isnt split in half or something?
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[01:01:00] xris: ok, DIsh sucks... I ask "is there any way you can notify me when you add/remove channels from my lineup?" and the gal tells me that yes, they can change which channels I get.
[01:01:00] peecee: one task? mythtv isn't exactly one task
[01:02:00] cacophony: I want to watch tv
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[01:02:00] cacophony: xawtv doesnt work, it wont find actual channels, so thats out
[01:02:00] cacophony: kdetv doesnt work, it doesnt do anything in fact
[01:03:00] cacophony: so mythtv is what I have, and I was wondering if there was a version of it that was one application, instead of a client, server, and database, that all ran on the same pc
[01:03:00] xris: cacophony: mythtv isn't for watching tv, it's for time shifting and recording tv.
[01:03:00] cacophony: so I cant watch tv with mythtv?
[01:03:00] xris: and no, there's no version that's just a single thing
[01:03:00] Juski: quittin time
[01:03:00] xris: cacophony: sure you can, but that's not its main purpose. if you want to watch tv, buy a tv.
[01:04:00] Juski: night all
[01:04:00] kormoc: cacophony, what tv card do you have?
[01:04:00] peecee: you can use it to watch tv, but that's like using a switchblade to whittle a stick
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[01:04:00] cacophony: kormoc: happauge wintv usb
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[01:04:00] kormoc: cacophony, you sure it's supported?
[01:04:00] cacophony: peecee: what would you suggest?
[01:04:00] peecee: I don't know if that is supported
[01:04:00] cacophony: kormoc: yes
[01:04:00] peecee: it is? wow, I must have missed that
[01:04:00] cacophony: my problem isnt with hardware, its with the frontend not connecting to the backend
[01:04:00] xris: cacophony: usb tuners are sometimes hard to get working.. does it use the ivtv drivers?
[01:05:00] riddlebox: wohoo found a great page, for ubuntu and ivtv drivers: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[01:05:00] xris: cacophony: what distro?
[01:05:00] cacophony: gentoo
[01:05:00] kormoc: cacophony, cause if xawtv/tvtime/kdetv doesn't work, it's hardpressed to get myth working.
[01:05:00] peecee: my thought too
[01:05:00] cacophony: tvtime you say?
[01:05:00] cacophony: ill try that out
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[01:05:00] peecee: tvtime would be a little better under gentoo I think
[01:06:00] xris: cacophony: how do you know the drivers/hardware work if you can't get any viewers working?
[01:06:00] cacophony: xris, because xawtv says "cannot connect to backend server", not "card not detected"
[01:06:00] cacophony: but I googled and found a driver for it
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[01:06:00] cacophony: loaded it up as a module, and the module loaded
[01:06:00] peecee: xawtv doesn't use a backend server, so that's confusing
[01:06:00] cacophony: udev detected it and it has its own respective device node in /dev/v4l
[01:07:00] cacophony: err sorry
[01:07:00] cacophony: mythtv said that
[01:07:00] gardengnome: cacophony: did you read TFM?
[01:07:00] cacophony: why yes I did
[01:07:00] peecee: lol
[01:07:00] kormoc: cacophony, the module loading doesn't mean squat if xawtv/tvtime/kdetv don't work
[01:07:00] xris: cacophony: that doesn't mean it works.
[01:07:00] cacophony: you seem to be attributing the problem to the hardwar
[01:07:00] peecee: have you given the frontend permission to use the mysql db?
[01:07:00] kormoc: cacophony, and until they work, myth won't work with it
[01:07:00] cacophony: when the issue is clearly the software
[01:07:00] xris: cacophony: no.. to the drivers.
[01:07:00] cacophony: it said it cant connect to the backend server
[01:07:00] kormoc: cacophony, basically, no point getting the backend working if your hardware won't work
[01:07:00] cacophony: that has nothing to do with drivers
[01:07:00] xris: cacophony: did you start the backend?
[01:08:00] cacophony: yes
[01:08:00] kormoc: cacophony, in your case, rerun mythtv-setup and set the backend ip to the correct value
[01:08:00] peecee: the backend will no work without a capture card
[01:08:00] cacophony: it is the correct value
[01:08:00] cacophony: localhost
[01:08:00] peecee: is the backend running?
[01:08:00] kormoc: cacophony, notice what ti says
[01:08:00] cacophony: it says localhost
[01:08:00] kormoc: cacophony, it says to put the ip, *not* the hostname
[01:08:00] cacophony: the console debug output translates it into 127.0.0.1
[01:08:00] cacophony: its a password issue
[01:08:00] xris: cacophony: there is no password for mythbackend
[01:08:00] kormoc: cacophony, there is no password to connect to the backend
[01:09:00] cacophony: that must be it
[01:09:00] cacophony: it keeps trying to use the password YES
[01:09:00] kormoc: cacophony, that's a mysql issue then
[01:09:00] kormoc: cacophony, not a backend issue
[01:09:00] cacophony: so do you know how to resolve it
[01:09:00] peecee: can you get into mysql via command line?
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[01:09:00] peecee: try that first
[01:09:00] xris: cacophony: locate mc.sql
[01:10:00] cacophony: I see it
[01:10:00] kormoc: /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[01:10:00] xris: did you run it? that's part of the setup procedure.
[01:10:00] cacophony: yes
[01:10:00] cacophony: I ran mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[01:10:00] peecee: what happens if you do: mysql -u root mysql
[01:11:00] kormoc: cacophony, in your console, run 'mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg'
[01:11:00] kormoc: cacophony, does it give you access to the database?
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[01:11:00] peecee: should be a > prompt or something
[01:11:00] cacophony: that dropped me off at a mysql shell
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[01:12:00] xris: cacophony: drop database mythconverg
[01:12:00] peecee: did you use -pmythtv ?
[01:12:00] xris: then paste in the commands from mc.sql
[01:12:00] cacophony: mysql> drop database mythconverg
[01:12:00] cacophony: ->
[01:12:00] cacophony: im not back at the prompt
[01:12:00] peecee: ; go
[01:12:00] cacophony: ok
[01:13:00] xris: cacophony: you need a ; at the end of that
[01:13:00] cacophony: ok got it
[01:14:00] cacophony: hold on recompiling mythtv to reset all the settings and such
[01:14:00] kormoc: cacophony, that won't help
[01:14:00] cacophony: with gentoo it does
[01:14:00] xris: cacophony: the settings are in the db
[01:14:00] kormoc: cacophony, all myth's settings are in the database, which you just removed, hence no need
[01:14:00] cacophony: it removes all old files
[01:14:00] cacophony: ok done
[01:14:00] kormoc: cacophony, doesn't matter
[01:14:00] cacophony: pasting the stuff into mysql
[01:14:00] xris: kormoc: he didn't remove it if he didn't add the ;
[01:14:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:14:00] kormoc: he also didn't recompile via the ebuild that fast
[01:15:00] xris: true
[01:15:00] cacophony: I sure did
[01:15:00] cacophony: with ccache
[01:15:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris, do you have any thoughts on the myth perl lib? I threw together some code the other night while I was in a hotel with no internet access. I have perl modules that can connect to the backend, get a list of recordings, lookup info for a single recording from the DB, schedule a job, delete a job, lookup a job, trigger a scheduler rerun, query the current program info on a recorder, and a few other tidbits. Care to take
[01:15:00] kormoc: cacophony, even with ccache, it should take about 8 to 10 minutes
[01:15:00] cacophony: ok
[01:15:00] cacophony: how do I get back into mysql shell
[01:15:00] xris: cacophony: mysql -u root
[01:15:00] cacophony: kormoc: thats absurd, its just copying compiled files
[01:15:00] cacophony: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[01:16:00] xris: Captain_Murdoch: haven't given it much thought.. for starters, I was just going to extract the code I use in nuvexport
[01:16:00] xris: cacophony: no -p
[01:16:00] kormoc: cacophony, ccache has to md5 every single source file, look it up to make sure the flags have not changed, and then it will spit out the output. ccache doesn't make things instant.
[01:16:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:16:00] cacophony: it must have something to do with a fast processor then
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[01:17:00] cacophony: alright
[01:17:00] cacophony: I pasted the output into mysql
[01:17:00] cacophony: wait..
[01:17:00] cacophony: mysql> CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;
[01:17:00] cacophony: ERROR 1007 (HY000): Can't create database 'mythconverg'; database exists
[01:17:00] Ryushin: Anyone heard of any work in QAM scanning over cable for unencypted channels. Thinking about getting another HD-3000 card and hooking it up to cable.
[01:17:00] cacophony: I thought i deleted that
[01:17:00] xris: cacophony: you missed the ;
[01:18:00] cacophony: alright
[01:18:00] cacophony: everything done
[01:18:00] cacophony: start mysql, then the backend, correct>
[01:18:00] cacophony: ?
[01:18:00] kormoc: mysql is already running
[01:19:00] xris: cacophony: no. run mythtv-setup first
[01:19:00] kormoc: I do beleive you run mythtv-setup now
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[01:20:00] cacophony: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[01:20:00] cacophony: Database error was:
[01:20:00] cacophony: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[01:20:00] cacophony: GRR
[01:20:00] cacophony: I told it to use a blank password
[01:20:00] cacophony: and it uses NO
[01:20:00] kormoc: a blank password is the same as no password
[01:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris, do you want to take a look at any of this to see what you think? I was thinking along the same line of being able to take some code out of and extend things like the myth_archive_job.pl script I have in contrib. The code I have right now for a sort of proof of concept mimics existing classes/code in libmyth & libmythtv. so for instance, I have a Myth::TV::ProgramInfo, Myth::TV::JobQueue, etc..
[01:21:00] cacophony: so why is it denying me access
[01:21:00] kormoc: that and the default password that mc.sql file uses mythtv
[01:21:00] kormoc: cacophony, set it to use the password mythtv
[01:21:00] xris: Captain_Murdoch: can't now (still at work)... maybe later, though
[01:21:00] cacophony: ok thanks
[01:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: ok, message me if you want sometime and I'll send a url to a tarball.
[01:22:00] xris: cacophony: that's NO as in "not using password"
[01:22:00] cacophony: ah
[01:22:00] xris: Captain_Murdoch: willdo
[01:23:00] cacophony: it keeps trying to connect to /dev/video32 and failing
[01:23:00] cacophony: Couldn't open /dev/video32 to probe its inputs.
[01:23:00] kormoc: cacophony, did you setup the tvcard correctly?
[01:23:00] gardengnome: *sigh*
[01:23:00] cacophony: thats what Im doing now
[01:23:00] gardengnome: no, he didn't
[01:23:00] cacophony: I select "add new card"
[01:23:00] cacophony: and it freezes
[01:23:00] kormoc: cacophony, cause your card is not a mpeg2 card, it created a v4l device, so it's a v4l card
[01:23:00] gardengnome: read the manual, please
[01:23:00] cacophony: and thats what the conbsole says
[01:23:00] cacophony: and I selected v4l card
[01:23:00] cacophony: not mpeg2
[01:23:00] kormoc: then it wouldn't be probing for a mpeg2 card
[01:24:00] cacophony: its not
[01:24:00] xris: cacophony: if xawtv didn't work, then either your drivers are set up wrong, or you don't have a v4l card.
[01:24:00] cacophony: is v4l a brand?
[01:24:00] xris: all of the usb tuners I know of are mpeg.
[01:24:00] xris: cacophony: no. it stands for "video for linux"
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[01:25:00] dtm: cacophony: no it's just an extremely dumb name that sounds like one for no reason
[01:25:00] xris: it refers to the drivers that support a particular type of tuner card
[01:26:00] kormoc: cacophony, what devices did it create in /dev/v4l?
[01:26:00] cacophony: alright
[01:26:00] cacophony: running mythfilldatabase
[01:26:00] cacophony: kormoc, /dev/v4l/video1 is the tv tuner
[01:26:00] cacophony: video0 is my webcam
[01:27:00] cacophony: argh now mythfill is acting up
[01:27:00] cacophony: it connects to the server twice
[01:27:00] GreyFoxx: It often does
[01:27:00] cacophony: the first time it gets a 401, the second time it starts downloading, stops in the middle
[01:27:00] kormoc: cacophony, that's not unusual
[01:27:00] cacophony: and restarts the whole process
[01:28:00] cacophony: do I just keep trying
[01:28:00] GreyFoxx: Did it drop back to the prompt ?
[01:28:00] cacophony: not yet
[01:28:00] kormoc: xap2it has load issues, if it's a high traffic point, it might take a few times before it works
[01:28:00] cacophony: it keeps retrying
[01:28:00] GreyFoxx: then leave it alone
[01:28:00] xris: cacophony: it's not retrying, it's grabbing different pages
[01:28:00] GreyFoxx: It has to connect to gather several days of info
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[01:29:00] cacophony: xris: its grabbing http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService every time
[01:29:00] gardengnome: gee, stop complaining about zap2it, i have to use xmltv ;)
[01:29:00] kormoc: with different post options telling it what data to get?
[01:29:00] GreyFoxx: cacophony: It's an xml feed
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[01:29:00] cacophony: ...
[01:29:00] GreyFoxx: It connects seperatly for each days worth of data
[01:29:00] cacophony: ok
[01:30:00] GreyFoxx: to the same url
[01:30:00] cacophony: it finished downloading, then I get this
[01:30:00] cacophony: oh wait
[01:30:00] cacophony: 2006-02–27 19:29:25.713 Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 1)
[01:30:00] cacophony: Connection timed out.
[01:30:00] cacophony: it says localhost, but I set 127.0.0.1 in mythtv-config
[01:31:00] kormoc: what mythtv-config?
[01:31:00] kormoc: you mean setup?
[01:31:00] cacophony: yea
[01:31:00] cacophony: that
[01:31:00] kormoc: did you set it to 127.0.0.1 for both the mysql server and the backend server?
[01:31:00] cacophony: yep
[01:32:00] cacophony: well
[01:32:00] cacophony: it says
[01:32:00] cacophony: ip address for [my machine] 127.0.0.1
[01:32:00] xris: cacophony: ps axf | grep myth
[01:32:00] cacophony: Master server ip address: 127.0.0.1
[01:32:00] cacophony: cacophony@tower ~ $ ps axf | grep myth
[01:32:00] cacophony: 9264 pts/3 S+ 0:04 | | \_ mythtv-setup
[01:32:00] cacophony: 9274 pts/1 S+ 0:00 | \_ grep myth
[01:33:00] cacophony: when did the backend die
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[01:34:00] dtm: cacophony: read the log
[01:34:00] cacophony: tower cacophony # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[01:34:00] cacophony: * WARNING: "mythbackend" has already been started.
[01:34:00] cacophony: tower cacophony # /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[01:34:00] cacophony: start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 8974: No such process
[01:34:00] cacophony: Im looking at the log
[01:34:00] cacophony: it says something about /mnt/store and an nfs lockfile
[01:35:00] cacophony: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[01:35:00] cacophony: Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[01:35:00] cacophony: of the general settings
[01:35:00] xris: cacophony: run manually: mythbackend -v all
[01:35:00] cacophony: ok
[01:35:00] cacophony: then refill database?
[01:35:00] cacophony: wait, it got killed
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[01:36:00] cacophony: ./mnt/store//nfslockfile.lock: No such file or directory
[01:36:00] cacophony: Unable to open lockfile!
[01:36:00] cacophony: Be sure that '/mnt/store/' exists and that both
[01:36:00] cacophony: the directory and that file are writeable by this user.
[01:36:00] cacophony: why is it trying to access nfs or /mnt/store
[01:36:00] laga: because you told it to.
[01:36:00] cacophony: where
[01:36:00] laga: mythtv-setup
[01:37:00] cacophony: ok
[01:37:00] cacophony: how do I fix it
[01:37:00] xris: cacophony: run it again and fill out everything correctly
[01:37:00] laga: xris: i'm impressed with your patience ;)
[01:37:00] cacophony: aha
[01:38:00] cacophony: laga: me too. Who would suspect somebody in a support channel would be patient with people they were supporting
[01:38:00] cacophony: its unheard of
[01:38:00] xris: laga: gives me something to distract my brain from parsing log files
[01:38:00] laga: cacophony: people who didn't even bother to read the manual carefully should not be allowed to use sarcasm.
[01:38:00] laga: xris: nice change ;)
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[01:39:00] cacophony: I read the manual perfectly, and it failed me, which is why I came here
[01:39:00] cacophony: had the manual worked, I wouldn't be here
[01:40:00] peecee: where's the $$ you paid to xris?
[01:40:00] laga: cacophony: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc9.1
[01:40:00] cacophony: thats correct laga
[01:40:00] kormoc: cacophony, everything we have said is in the manual or the wiki.
[01:40:00] laga: cacophony: any questions left?
[01:40:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:40:00] cacophony: that is the one that failed me
[01:40:00] cacophony: I didnt bother checking a wiki
[01:41:00] kormoc: your loss
[01:41:00] cacophony: I figured the instructions would be enough
[01:41:00] laga: cacophony: how could it fail you if you skipped it?
[01:41:00] cacophony: especially if the instructions didnt tell me to check a wiki first if I wanted a working install
[01:41:00] kormoc: and who said this was a support channel? this is a users channel
[01:41:00] cacophony: laga
[01:41:00] cacophony: the MANUAL failed me
[01:41:00] laga: cacophony: go install windows MCE or something.
[01:41:00] cacophony: I skipped the WIKI
[01:41:00] cacophony: wow
[01:41:00] kormoc: we're a bunch of random users who use the program
[01:41:00] cacophony: what a troll
[01:41:00] laga: i'm not a troll :)
[01:41:00] peecee: dude, we use it and help how we can
[01:41:00] kormoc: you don't pay for support, there is no support channel, welcome to the world of opensource
[01:42:00] cacophony: go fuck yourself laga, if you dont like helping people out then leave, this is a support channel
[01:42:00] peecee: lol
[01:42:00] GreyFoxx: Bullshit
[01:42:00] kormoc: cacophony, this is *not* a support channel.
[01:42:00] cacophony: so far everyone else has been nice to me
[01:42:00] ** laga snickers **
[01:42:00] cacophony: #mythtv says it is
[01:42:00] cacophony: so far everyone else has been nice to me except you laga
[01:42:00] cacophony: you are the odd one out
[01:42:00] laga: cacophony: must be a weird day in here then
[01:42:00] ** kormoc shrugs. **
[01:42:00] kormoc: laga, most people are afk :P
[01:42:00] peecee: cacophony: this is user supported, yeah, support channel, and you may even be here helping one day...
[01:43:00] laga: kormoc: i'd think so ;)
[01:43:00] laga: cacophony: anyways, the manual didn't fail on you, you failed on the manual. and watch your language.
[01:43:00] cacophony: anyways
[01:43:00] cacophony: video is working now
[01:43:00] cacophony: thank you very much
[01:44:00] peecee: so you're working?
[01:44:00] cacophony: ues
[01:44:00] cacophony: yes
[01:44:00] peecee: excellent
[01:44:00] cacophony: filled the database, it didnt die
[01:44:00] cacophony: and I get tv
[01:44:00] peecee: wow, time to check out the usb offerings. didn't know they were supported
[01:44:00] cacophony: kdetv automatically tried video0 and didnt give me any other choice
[01:45:00] cacophony: so its natural that it woulnt have worked, since thats my webcam
[01:45:00] cacophony: peecee: it wasnt officially supported, I found a 3rd party opensource driver
[01:45:00] ** kormoc recalls that under the settings, kdetv has a option for what videodevice to use **
[01:45:00] ** cacophony notices that it, in fact, does not **
[01:45:00] kormoc: cacophony, all drivers are 3ed party opensource unsupported drivers
[01:45:00] cacophony: kormoc: I mean, not in the kernel
[01:46:00] peecee: doesn't matter. common knowledge on the list has been that usb tuners won't work with mythtv.
[01:46:00] cacophony: I guess I got lucky :)
[01:46:00] cacophony: especially with a tuner this old
[01:46:00] kormoc: cacophony, http://www.kdetv.org/screenshots/kdetv-config_general.jpg
[01:46:00] peecee: it's excellent that you (a relative noob) managed to get it working
[01:46:00] cacophony: I would have been sol because I dual boot with x64
[01:47:00] cacophony: which of course has no drivers
[01:47:00] laga: peecee: i've heard reports about people who were happy with the hauppauge pvr usb 2
[01:47:00] kormoc: Cardoe, if you edit the device, the popup has the place to edit the device
[01:47:00] kormoc: cacophony, that was to you, sorry
[01:47:00] cacophony: oh ok
[01:47:00] cacophony: my mistake
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[01:48:00] peecee: that is cool. I think my local pc shop is trying to dump them
[01:48:00] peecee: just like when I picked up like 10 media mvp's for like $20 a piece
[01:48:00] laga: peecee: i'd suggest that you research a little bit further ;)
[01:49:00] laga: peecee: wow! you're a lucky guy :)
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[01:49:00] peecee: no need to, I've got like 5 250s, 4 150s and 2 500s
[01:49:00] cacophony: anyways
[01:49:00] cacophony: thank you
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[01:49:00] peecee: I've got no more slots, so I figured I needed to add a pc before I got more tuners
[01:50:00] peecee: I knew there wasa reason I wanted to start hanging out here again. My bank account was getting a little too full
[01:52:00] djohnson: Hey, does anyone have any advice on getting mythbackend to start at system startup?
[01:54:00] dtm: djohnson: on what distro
[01:56:00] djohnson: Suse 10
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[02:02:00] peecee: still there djohnson?
[02:02:00] djohnson: peecee: yes
[02:03:00] djohnson: peecee: mostly ;) Trying to get MythWeb to work as well, so starting/stopping services like PHP and apache
[02:03:00] peecee: ok, I don't think suse has chkconfig, so you'll need to do the setup manually
[02:03:00] achew22: hey all — does anyone know how to change the brighness and contrast on a pvr-150 or 250
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[02:03:00] peecee: I think h or g
[02:03:00] djohnson: As in write a script for rc.d? Or can I put it into something else?
[02:04:00] peecee: exactly...write a script, put it in /etc/init.d
[02:04:00] peecee: then do an ln -s from /etc/init.d to /etc/rc3.d
[02:04:00] djohnson: How complex does the script need to be? Does it need to check cases?
[02:04:00] djohnson: Like start/stop/reset etc. ?
[02:05:00] peecee: all depends on how fancy you want to get
[02:05:00] djohnson: Or can I just say #!/usr/bin/sh \nmythbackend
[02:05:00] djohnson: Mostly I'd just like it to start :)
[02:05:00] peecee: sure, that would be just fine
[02:05:00] djohnson: So I don't have a console window always on...
[02:05:00] achew22: there should be a prebuilt script for starting apache2 and php
[02:06:00] peecee: just copy the apache one and rename it mythbackend
[02:06:00] djohnson: Yah, I just hadn't started it yet, just copied the files over... is php4 ok? Or is php5 necessary?
[02:06:00] djohnson: Hmmm.... OK peecee I'll have a look at that....
[02:06:00] achew22: djohnson, don't be mean
[02:06:00] achew22: here
[02:06:00] achew22: cd /etc/init.d
[02:06:00] achew22: wget http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv/mythtv-backend
[02:06:00] achew22: chmod a+rx mythtv-backend
[02:06:00] achew22: do that
[02:06:00] achew22: as root
[02:07:00] djohnson: Thanks achew22
[02:07:00] djohnson: Then as peecee said I can ln -s that?
[02:08:00] peecee: should ne able to
[02:08:00] achew22: ignore him when you run that type /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[02:08:00] achew22: as root
[02:08:00] peecee: ?
[02:08:00] achew22: that will start mythbackend
[02:08:00] peecee: but that doesn't do anything on reboot unless you put it in a runlevel, right?
[02:08:00] achew22: no — it will just work...
[02:08:00] achew22: thats how things work round here
[02:08:00] Chutt: yes, please run scripts you download from random people on irc as root.
[02:09:00] peecee: lol
[02:09:00] achew22: chutt check out the script
[02:09:00] Chutt: no
[02:09:00] achew22: it the same thing that you wrote
[02:09:00] peecee: the script is fine
[02:09:00] achew22: but there are 2 changes so that it WORKS
[02:09:00] Chutt: then why not tell him to get it from the myth source?
[02:09:00] achew22: ha ha ha ha burn
[02:09:00] achew22: chut i'm just kidding
[02:09:00] Chutt: that's just plain stupid.
[02:09:00] achew22: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html thats the tutorial I got it from
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[02:10:00] peecee: wow, harsh people here tonight
[02:10:00] achew22: :D it happens
[02:10:00] laga: peecee: don't give me that look.
[02:10:00] peecee: lol
[02:11:00] djohnson: achew22: thanks, but it didn't seem to actually start
[02:11:00] peecee: just because cacophony didn't install windows...which I was personally hoping for
[02:11:00] achew22: really...
[02:11:00] djohnson: I get a "cannot connect to backend" message from the frontend
[02:11:00] achew22: djohnson, what does it do?
[02:11:00] peecee: ok, is the backend running?
[02:11:00] peecee: ps -ef|grep mythback
[02:12:00] djohnson: nope
[02:12:00] peecee: well, then, that's your problem.
[02:12:00] peecee: did you even look at the startup script?
[02:13:00] peecee: there may be some paths you need to modify
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[02:13:00] peecee: or some trojan you don't want to install
[02:13:00] djohnson: Yah, I looked at the startup script, but good advice
[02:13:00] djohnson: No, it's just a simple 2 cases, start and stop
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[02:14:00] djohnson: well, and *)
[02:14:00] djohnson: Ah!
[02:14:00] peecee: * checks around for funky scripts....
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[02:14:00] djohnson: Like for funky cases passed into the script?
[02:15:00] peecee: yeah, stuff like that
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[02:17:00] djohnson: ah, the script pointed to /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:17:00] djohnson: not /usr/local/bin/mythbackend
[02:17:00] [CSI]Octane: whats the best way to get nuv's playing on a networked box (windows)
[02:18:00] [CSI]Octane: using dsmyth?
[02:18:00] peecee: yeah, or copy them over and rename them .mpg
[02:18:00] xris: [CSI]Octane: if they're really nupplevideo, that's the only way
[02:18:00] achew22: anyone know how to change your brightness settings on a pvr-150?
[02:18:00] djohnson: achew22: Thanks, it's goin' now....
[02:19:00] djohnson: achew22: and I have the PVR-150 as well, last I read you couldn't change the brightness due to IVTV driver issue's
[02:19:00] djohnson: (But that was months ago, when If irst installed)
[02:19:00] achew22: djohnson, any time! By the way — Chutt is right you shouldn't install strange scripts
[02:19:00] achew22: i'll check the ivtv site
[02:19:00] [CSI]Octane: xris: thanks. i installed everything fine but wmc or wmp arent playing them
[02:19:00] [CSI]Octane: just stalls as it opens
[02:19:00] djohnson: achew22: no doubt, I actually admit that I did put it on before reading it, although I brought it up in Konquerer rather than wget to have a very very quick look at it
[02:20:00] djohnson: didn't notice any strange hex stuff ;)
[02:20:00] djohnson: Hopefully it comes up at startup now!
[02:20:00] achew22: dude djohnson you loose... http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl
[02:20:00] djohnson: oh no! New versions! I swear in 3.7 you couldn't ;)
[02:21:00] achew22: its gotta be in there if you help me look
[02:21:00] achew22: 3.7?!? dude how long ago was that
[02:21:00] djohnson: I'm looking through the keyboard command guide now
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[02:22:00] djohnson: achew22: "F to rotate between the various Picture adjustments (Colour, Hue, etc.) While Picture adjustment is on-screen,......."
[02:23:00] peecee: 3.7 is like what, 8 months or something?
[02:23:00] djohnson: peecee: I had it working, so I didn't want to change anything
[02:24:00] djohnson: now I reinstalled my system, and went with 4.3 or whatever the most recent stable was...
[02:24:00] peecee: I know what you mean. I just upgraded a working system and had major ivtv problems. I think I was on like 3.8 or something
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[02:25:00] djohnson: Actually, when I was installing a while ago, 3.8 or 3.9 was current, but didn't work for my 150, I found rolling back to the 3.7 fixed it
[02:26:00] peecee: that must have been the one I was on – I had a working 150, so it must have been 3.7
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[02:26:00] djohnson: Or maybe I just didn't get it working :(
[02:26:00] djohnson: Hmmm... OK, so it LOOKED like mythbackend was working, but just enough to fool me
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[02:27:00] djohnson: 2006-02–27 18:22:47.659 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Permission denied"
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[02:28:00] djohnson: Is there any advice on what permissions should be on /dev/video0 ? The current ones are "crw--------"
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[02:29:00] mos__: djohnson: just chmod it 744
[02:31:00] sphing: anyone know why commflagging isnt going on... I disabled it on the backend but enabled it on the slave backend yet recordings still arent being flagged
[02:31:00] sphing: (unless I manually set them to
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[02:36:00] djohnson: mos__: I did a 660 on it, mythtv had the right group, thakns
[02:36:00] djohnson: mos__: should it be "execute"?
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[02:37:00] mos__: doesnt need to be
[02:37:00] mos__: just needs read permissions
[02:37:00] djohnson: OK cool
[02:38:00] djohnson: And now... for the final touch... Mythweb!
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[02:39:00] djohnson: well, and then winmyth ;) It never ends!
[02:39:00] laga: winmyth? not sure if that's gonna work well with 0.19
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[02:47:00] VolVE: hey all, I'm confused on something regarding TV Tuners, anyone got any experience? If I pay the cable company for Premium channels, will a regular old PCI TV Tuner card be able to display them? (ignoring the HD content of course) ?
[02:48:00] rjune: from TV out on your cable box for sure I think
[02:48:00] VolVE: hmm
[02:48:00] dtm: VolVE: yes.
[02:48:00] dtm: VolVE: you have analog cable?
[02:49:00] VolVE: yeah
[02:49:00] dtm: VolVE: yeah all they do to enable those is they undisable them. they normally have analog filters enabled at your house or headend.
[02:49:00] dtm: for your circuit
[02:49:00] VolVE: do I need to keep my cable box then, and connect it to the TV Tuner card in the PC and hook up an IR blaster or something to actually be able to record, say, Comedy Central?
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[02:50:00] dtm: no because that's what a tuner is.
[02:50:00] dtm: it's a "cable-ready" decoder
[02:50:00] dtm: you'd need the box if you had a digital signal
[02:50:00] dtm: usually
[02:51:00] VolVE: ok, well other people are saying: when you pay for a channel, the cable company just enables the decoding in your cable box, it'll still be scrambled on a TV tuner
[02:51:00] VolVE: hence I'm confused
[02:51:00] VolVE: what happens if I have digital cable?
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[02:55:00] VolVE: basically, I just got one of those Comcast HDTV DVR boxes and it's not terribly reliable, and obviously if I have issues with it, the rest of the family is going to get annoyed with it pretty quickly, so I was thinking of throwing in the towel and just out-right building a dual-tuner HTPC but was confused on the whole "still need to keep cable boxes" issue... :(
[02:56:00] MaxPower: when I run "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg" i can then watch it with "mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test.mpg" but myth shows only a black screen
[02:56:00] MaxPower: what could cause this
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[02:58:00] EnterUsErNaMe: is zapit out of business or something
[02:58:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i cant connect to it
[02:58:00] EnterUsErNaMe: I didnt get my show :(
[03:00:00] EnterUsErNaMe: nevermind
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[03:02:00] EnterUsErNaMe: hmmk
[03:03:00] EnterUsErNaMe: zapit i cant log in for some reason
[03:04:00] peecee: I just logged into zap2it fine. can you bring up labs.zap2it.com ?
[03:04:00] EnterUsErNaMe: nope when i try to log on
[03:04:00] EnterUsErNaMe: itgives me
[03:04:00] EnterUsErNaMe: The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. Please inform the site administrator of the referring page
[03:04:00] EnterUsErNaMe: think they banned
[03:04:00] EnterUsErNaMe: me
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: but why?
[03:05:00] peecee: have you tried to create a new username?
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yup
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: o
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: erk
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: no i havent
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i will nw
[03:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i will now
[03:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: its givingt errors
[03:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: as a new user as well
[03:06:00] peecee: they were saying their servers are getting hammered at night.
[03:06:00] peecee: I can't even bring up labs now
[03:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: ill try tomorrow
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[03:19:00] riddlebox: wohoo, it was a long road tonight but I got mythtv running on ubuntu, now I just gotta do mythfilldatabase
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[03:22:00] awb4422: riddlebox: congrats
[03:23:00] awb4422: riddlebox: what are your specs?
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[03:25:00] riddlebox: 2.6 AMD with 2 80 gig hard drives and 512 of ram
[03:26:00] riddlebox: running ubuntu, mythtv,asterisk,and my own mysql stuff :) all I need is to get my drives to be LVM and I am set
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[03:26:00] riddlebox: can anyone else do a mythfilldatabase right now?
[03:27:00] chuggachu: riddlebox: no not here
[03:27:00] riddlebox: ok good!
[03:28:00] chuggachu: ERROR 500: etc
[03:28:00] riddlebox: yup thats what I get as well, I guess I will wait till later tonight
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[03:35:00] awb4422: im still torn between installing ubuntu on my mythbox
[03:35:00] awb4422: or gentoo
[03:35:00] riddlebox: I like ubuntu, all of my stations run it
[03:36:00] awb4422: i am a recent convert to debian (past year or so)
[03:37:00] awb4422: but ubuntu has been ok for the desktop
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[03:38:00] riddlebox: the easiest way to install myth is knoppmyth
[03:38:00] Agrajag-: don't use gentoo it's a waste of time!
[03:38:00] awb4422: haha yeah some of the guys i go to school with are gentoo dev's
[03:38:00] awb4422: theyve been trying to get me to drink the koolaid
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[03:40:00] awb4422: my buddy knows cardoe..the mythtv ebuild master
[03:40:00] awb4422: ;)
[03:40:00] dtm: awb4422: resist groupthink
[03:41:00] awb4422: dtm: haha..yeah..i remember watching those videos in middle school
[03:41:00] dtm: yeah they dont want any dissonant groupthink to distract you from their propaganda
[03:42:00] awb4422: #ubuntu is getting out of control...soooooo many questions just flying by
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[03:48:00] Cardoe: awb4422: wha?
[03:49:00] awb4422: cardoe: i go to school w/ a gentoo gnome dev – he spoke very highly of you when i said something about you coming out w/ the mythtv ebuild so quickly
[03:50:00] Cardoe: awb4422: cool. Who was it?
[03:50:00] awb4422: compnerd
[03:50:00] Cardoe: ah
[03:50:00] awb4422: (saleem)
[03:50:00] Cardoe: Good guy
[03:50:00] Cardoe: does some awesome work.
[03:51:00] awb4422: yeah, he's a diehard gentoo guy, thats for sure
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[03:58:00] dtm: i can't get mythcommflag to stop running. i disabled all semblance of commercial flagging in the frontend.
[03:58:00] dtm: so it's choking the backend's ethernet and cpu all the time
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[03:59:00] dtm: ha! i renamed the binary!! >:-)
[04:00:00] awb4422: lol
[04:00:00] dtm: ;]
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[04:02:00] Cardoe: awb4422: which ebuild are you running?
[04:02:00] Cardoe: 0.19_p9163?
[04:02:00] Cardoe: That should fix all problems with LiveTV, ALSA only systems, uh.. some other stuff.
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[04:04:00] awb4422: im not running gentoo ;)
[04:05:00] awb4422: i tried to switch over..unsuccessfully of course
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[04:05:00] Chutt: Cardoe, btw, the _only_ reason the disable-oss switch to configure exists is for macosx folk.
[04:05:00] awb4422: i went to emerge gnome, about 20 broken packages
[04:06:00] Cardoe: Chutt: mmk
[04:08:00] Chutt: using it turns off audio recording for people with bttv cards :p
[04:08:00] Chutt: generally not what people would want
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[04:15:00] riddlebox: well goodnight guys
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[04:18:00] marccd: is there a way to watch tv from a PVR-350 (mpeg2) wihtout using myth?
[04:19:00] marccd: rephrase, is there anything capable of watching live tv from a mpeg2 card?
[04:19:00] Beirdo: yes
[04:20:00] marccd: Beirdo: can you point me to an app?
[04:20:00] Beirdo: mplayer
[04:20:00] marccd: mplayer /dev/video0 ?
[04:20:00] Beirdo: I'm sure the ivtv resources on the web can help you
[04:21:00] marccd: ...
[04:21:00] Beirdo: or even man mplayer
[04:22:00] marccd: thats more useful
[04:22:00] Beirdo: jeez, if you don't know how to use man yet, it's a great time to start :)
[04:23:00] Beirdo: tis a very useful thing to know :)
[04:23:00] marccd: Beirdo: excuse me, I have 6 years of experience with UNIX
[04:23:00] marccd: I wasnt being sarcastic
[04:23:00] Beirdo: good :)
[04:23:00] Beirdo: man mplayer is an ocean of information... too much information sometimes
[04:24:00] a1fa: hey guys
[04:24:00] ** a1fa just upgraded **
[04:24:00] a1fa: i got Gigabyte mobo GA-K8NSC-939
[04:24:00] Beirdo: but yeah, I think it's something like mplayer /dev/video0. There are lots of howtos on the web, I'm sure
[04:25:00] Beirdo: a1fa, good mobo
[04:25:00] a1fa: really?
[04:25:00] a1fa: i over payed it tho
[04:25:00] a1fa: $100
[04:25:00] Beirdo: meh
[04:25:00] Beirdo: that's cheap for a good mobo :)
[04:25:00] a1fa: nah?
[04:25:00] a1fa: well, yeah
[04:25:00] Chutt: i paid like $200 for my last motherboard
[04:25:00] a1fa: i was over my head buying shit
[04:25:00] a1fa: i bought a wrong case
[04:26:00] a1fa: that mother trucker sold me a wrong case
[04:26:00] a1fa: i didnt even pay attention
[04:26:00] thechris: hmm, i must be ignoring someone. it seems like everyone is talking to themselves
[04:26:00] a1fa: i thought he knew what he was talking about
[04:26:00] Beirdo: heh. he coulda just made a mistake
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[04:26:00] Beirdo: or he could be a scam artist
[04:26:00] Cardoe: Chutt: alright. I'll tweak it.
[04:26:00] a1fa: no
[04:26:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: hey
[04:26:00] a1fa: CompUSA
[04:26:00] Beirdo: yeah, Cardoe
[04:26:00] a1fa: i have to drive 20miles to compusa tomorrow
[04:27:00] a1fa: to return this crap
[04:27:00] Beirdo: ahhh, incompetent fools
[04:27:00] a1fa: yes.. he sold me microATX case
[04:28:00] a1fa: i should've looked
[04:28:00] Chutt: Cardoe, thanks. i'd just now pass in that to configure at all :p
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[04:28:00] Beirdo: heh, I had a dumbass sell me an ATX board once when I specified a microATx
[04:28:00] a1fa: i am so pissed off
[04:28:00] Beirdo: he had it in the wrong box
[04:28:00] a1fa: $560 bucks later
[04:28:00] Beirdo: so I brought it back and bitched him out, and his manager
[04:28:00] Cardoe: Chutt: hmm?
[04:28:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:28:00] a1fa: 512 MB Ram – $70
[04:28:00] Chutt: Cardoe, the --disable-audio-oss
[04:28:00] Cardoe: not pass it in
[04:28:00] a1fa: AMD64 3200+ 939 – 189
[04:29:00] Chutt: not use it, etc
[04:29:00] stevenm: Hi. 0.19 weirdness – Live TV, shows that there's about 1:40 more show than there really is. Ie, if you jump into Live TV, it displays 0:03 of 1:43 or something like that. Skipping past this part results in blue screen and lockup
[04:30:00] a1fa: i just see it on the reciept
[04:30:00] a1fa: damn it
[04:30:00] a1fa: http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/files/master/antec_aria.jpg
[04:30:00] a1fa: this is the case i bought
[04:30:00] a1fa: it was $129.99
[04:30:00] a1fa: i am going to return it tomorrow
[04:30:00] Cardoe: I have an Antec Aria
[04:30:00] Beirdo: an excellent case
[04:31:00] Cardoe: I didn't pay that much though
[04:31:00] a1fa: Cardoe : yeah.. nice case wrong size
[04:31:00] Beirdo: but definitely microATX only
[04:31:00] Beirdo: I like the Sonata case too
[04:31:00] a1fa: CompUSA is over priced
[04:32:00] a1fa: and incompetent people work there
[04:32:00] a1fa: i blame myself tho.. i should've looked over
[04:32:00] Beirdo: and this isn't news to any of us :)
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[04:33:00] a1fa: yeah man
[04:33:00] a1fa: i am so pissed off
[04:33:00] a1fa: bcos i am going to take off work.. drive 25 miles to the place
[04:33:00] a1fa: replace the motherboard
[04:33:00] a1fa: and have to speed back to work
[04:33:00] Beirdo: I like my computer parts from a Chinese off-the-truck type shop
[04:33:00] a1fa: i wanted to fix my myth box tonight
[04:33:00] Beirdo: replace the motherboard?
[04:33:00] Beirdo: why?
[04:34:00] a1fa: they dont have a good selection of motherboards
[04:34:00] a1fa: i'd have to order it
[04:34:00] Beirdo: I don't get it
[04:34:00] Beirdo: return the case :)
[04:34:00] a1fa: yeah
[04:34:00] a1fa: i will
[04:35:00] a1fa: tomorrow
[04:35:00] a1fa: i am going to get a new case
[04:35:00] a1fa: but i am pissed
[04:35:00] stevenm: and, try to rip/transcode dvd. put one in, it says Checking/Waiting for DVD. Never gets off this screen
[04:35:00] a1fa: it is going to cost me $10 in gas
[04:35:00] Beirdo: that's the cost of living in the boonies
[04:35:00] a1fa: bcos i will have to drive ~100mph
[04:35:00] a1fa: to get there in 10 minutes
[04:35:00] a1fa: 10 minutes to replace the case
[04:35:00] a1fa: and 10 minutes to drive back
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[04:36:00] a1fa: +5/+5 each way for traffic, or police slowdowns
[04:36:00] Beirdo: heh, just tell the boss you're going for an hour, that's what I'd do
[04:36:00] a1fa: well, we have an hour long break
[04:36:00] a1fa: its no big deal
[04:36:00] a1fa: but i need to eat too :P
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[04:37:00] a1fa: i wanted to make this shit work tonight :(
[04:37:00] a1fa: thats why I payed $500
[04:37:00] a1fa: so i dont have to wait for damn shipping
[04:37:00] a1fa: :P
[04:37:00] Chutt: did some fucktard delete all the bugmenot logins to the knoppmyth forums?
[04:37:00] phar0e: Hello!
[04:37:00] xris: lol
[04:38:00] Beirdo: there's lots of fucktards out there, wouldn't surprise me
[04:38:00] Chutt: bad enough that they don't even allow reading the things without an account
[04:38:00] a1fa: fucktards like that assbite working at compusa
[04:39:00] a1fa: i am gonna bitch him out tomorrow
[04:40:00] a1fa: to his manager
[04:42:00] phar0e: what's wrong a1fa ?
[04:42:00] a1fa: phar0e : nada man! i bought a mobo at compusa, and i find this case that i really liked.. the guy tells me it will ft
[04:42:00] a1fa: phar0e : i didnt even check to see the form factor
[04:43:00] a1fa: i get home.. bad news.. i open the mobo its atx.. and the case is matx
[04:43:00] Captain_Murdoch: what can you expect, he was running the register at Mickey-Dees last week.
[04:43:00] a1fa: it was 100% my fault
[04:43:00] phar0e: lol that sucks, I do stuff like that all the time
[04:45:00] a1fa: yup
[04:45:00] a1fa: i was pretty darn pissed off
[04:45:00] a1fa: i thought i found this perfect case :P
[04:45:00] a1fa: and forgot the form factor
[04:45:00] a1fa: lol
[04:45:00] a1fa: but anyway..
[04:45:00] a1fa: anybody renting any appliances?
[04:45:00] a1fa: i am thinking of renting a huge ass tv?
[04:46:00] phar0e: a huge ass HDTV?
[04:46:00] a1fa: yup
[04:46:00] a1fa: rather than paying $1600 for it
[04:47:00] a1fa: i am thinking of renting one for ~ $20 a month
[04:47:00] phar0e: REALLY? they have those sort of deals?
[04:47:00] a1fa: yeah
[04:47:00] phar0e: are you committed for a certain number of months?
[04:47:00] a1fa: yup
[04:48:00] a1fa: i think its a bit more
[04:48:00] a1fa: let me check
[04:48:00] tetrawr: what made you buy a motherboard from compusa??
[04:48:00] phar0e: do they still have that product replacement plan at compusa?
[04:48:00] a1fa: tetrawr : the only place to buy it at 8:00 PM
[04:48:00] phar0e: I know people would get the top of the line video card every year or so
[04:49:00] a1fa: tetrawr : does bestbuy sell mobos
[04:49:00] stevenm: There, got mtd started, but go to rip a new dvd, Select some titles, hit 0, and it says there's nothing to do, press 0 for new rip. What gives?
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[04:49:00] tetrawr: a1fa: if you aren't in a hurry check a web site, perhaps newegg, and if you are in a hurry you could probably ship it overnight and STILL be cheaper and chumpusa
[04:50:00] tetrawr: s/and/than/
[04:50:00] phar0e: I love newegg
[04:50:00] phar0e: s/newegg/tetrawr
[04:50:00] tetrawr: pffft
[04:50:00] tetrawr: i love cheeseburgers
[04:50:00] phar0e: come on! show the love back
[04:50:00] tetrawr: come sit on my face
[04:51:00] phar0e: we're all mythtv-users here, no need to be shy
[04:51:00] phar0e: such hostility tetrawr
[04:51:00] tetrawr: how's that for shy
[04:51:00] phar0e: tell me about your mythtv setup, tetrawr
[04:52:00] ** Beirdo starts to hum the Monty Python "Sit on my face" song **
[04:52:00] tetrawr: Beirdo: yes
[04:52:00] stevenm: I select the title, Press 0 to rip and it just says, No jobs and nothing else to do. You could hit 0 to rip a DVD. What?? There was a job, Select was marked etc/
[04:52:00] tetrawr: phar0e: celeron D, 2.8 GHz, gig of ddr 400, 300 GB SATA 150, hauppauge pvr150mce
[04:53:00] phar0e: 1 recording source? analog cable?
[04:53:00] tetrawr: phar0e: that's what i have
[04:53:00] phar0e: that's cool
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[04:55:00] phar0e: what temperature does that celeron run at on average?
[04:55:00] tetrawr: um
[04:55:00] tetrawr: i never really checked recently
[04:55:00] tetrawr: i *do* have lm sensors working on it
[04:56:00] phar0e: yeah I need to get cacti and lm sensors via net-snmp working later tonight
[04:56:00] tetrawr: help me find a jetway 650df motherboard and i will show you the love
[04:56:00] tetrawr: sounds cool
[04:57:00] phar0e: well I hate ordering online computer parts anywhere but newegg to be honest, so if they don't have it... I usually won't buy it
[04:57:00] phar0e: such a hassle with other companies it seems
[04:57:00] tetrawr: i can't find anyone who has it in stock
[04:57:00] tetrawr: i order online all the time
[04:57:00] tetrawr: rarely have a problem
[04:58:00] tetrawr: i resell a lot
[04:58:00] xris: phar0e: zipzoomfly isn't so bad
[04:58:00] tetrawr: i like zipzoomfly
[04:58:00] tetrawr: i usually check pricewatch and google
[04:58:00] tetrawr: and ebay but often things through ebay are broken
[04:58:00] a1fa: i like zipzoomfly
[04:58:00] tetrawr: monarchcomputers is pretty good too
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[04:59:00] xris: tetrawr: just don't order hard drives from them
[04:59:00] a1fa: brb
[04:59:00] tetrawr: there are some really shifty companies listing on pricewatch
[04:59:00] phar0e: I live in socal, so ordering from newegg I always get the package next day if they ship from their CA warehouse
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[04:59:00] tetrawr: xris: i order hard drives a lot on ebay, so far so good
[05:00:00] tetrawr: xris: er, don't order hard drives from who?
[05:00:00] xris: tetrawr: from monarch..
[05:00:00] tetrawr: really
[05:00:00] xris: kormoc had an interesting time with that
[05:00:00] xris: badly packaged
[05:00:00] xris: afk
[05:00:00] tetrawr: i like seagate
[05:00:00] Beirdo: heh, can't be as badly packaged as some we got from our US office
[05:01:00] Beirdo: they just tossed them all in a big box which we got all dented
[05:01:00] kormoc: tetrawr, the main box was nice and packed
[05:01:00] Beirdo: no padding at ALL
[05:01:00] kormoc: but the small box had no padding at all
[05:01:00] phar0e: Started recording: 24 "Day 5: 4:00PM-5:00PM": channel 3111 on cardid 2, sourceid 2 :)))) HURRAY!
[05:01:00] kormoc: so there was three drives banging all around...
[05:01:00] Beirdo: nice
[05:01:00] tetrawr: morons
[05:01:00] tetrawr: hard drives must be wrapped individually
[05:02:00] Beirdo: at least bubble wrap em
[05:02:00] kormoc: and it wasn't like the small box was small or anything, it was large enough to fit maybe 8 drives or so
[05:02:00] tetrawr: i hate when people on ebay pack a lot of hard drives in pairs with nothing between them
[05:02:00] Beirdo: meh, that's usually OK
[05:02:00] Beirdo: not smart, but usually OK
[05:02:00] kormoc: as long as it's tight, it's ok
[05:02:00] Beirdo: just tossing em in a box?
[05:02:00] Beirdo: that's just fuckin dumb
[05:03:00] tetrawr: i need to finish cleaning some viruses off a windoze computer
[05:03:00] tetrawr: i need a beer ;)
[05:03:00] Beirdo: just insert a linux install CD
[05:03:00] phar0e: beer+cheeseburger+jetwayMB
[05:03:00] Beirdo: gets rid of the main virus
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[05:06:00] kormoc: hehe
[05:07:00] djohnson: Does anyone here have MythWeb working?
[05:07:00] djohnson: Perhaps someone has seen this error:
[05:08:00] djohnson: Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'config/conf.php' (include_path='/usr/share/php') in
[05:08:00] djohnson: I did indeed configure my config/conf.php
[05:08:00] djohnson: or so I believe
[05:08:00] Beirdo: make sure the user that runs apache has read permissions, etc
[05:08:00] kormoc: is it readable by php/apache?
[05:09:00] djohnson: the init.php? Yes, it is...
[05:09:00] djohnson: or something else?
[05:09:00] kormoc: the conf.php
[05:09:00] Beirdo: the file it complained about
[05:09:00] Beirdo: silly
[05:09:00] kormoc: well, every file in mythweb to be honest
[05:09:00] djohnson: Yup, it's readable by apache
[05:10:00] kormoc: welp, you're gonna have to debug that one, cause something is screwed
[05:10:00] kormoc: mythweb works fine for most of us.
[05:10:00] djohnson: Shoot
[05:10:00] djohnson: I had it working on fedora-core, but I changed to Suse and have been reinstalling everything... mythweb was as simple as an RPM on fedora
[05:12:00] djohnson: I don't suppose there's a way to set a breakpoint in a PHP file with Apache ;)
[05:13:00] kormoc: not preticullarly
[05:13:00] kormoc: you can run it though cli php if you have it
[05:14:00] djohnson: like "php filename.php' ?
[05:14:00] kormoc: yup\
[05:15:00] djohnson: Well, at least I get the error faster!
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[05:16:00] kormoc: well, it's eather a php bug or a permissions issue of some sort
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I love the authentication of mythweb :)
[05:16:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, ooh?
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah setting up the authentication rocks
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean not like anybody is going to use it that I dont want to but still its cool
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
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[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: well my venture with mythstreamtv was a bust kormoc
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I need to remove all the garbage it put on :/
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[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: kinda bummer but hey
[05:20:00] bcarlisl: Anyone have a Hauppauge PVR350?
[05:20:00] djohnson: kormoc: more likely a permission, or I figure at this time it's an apache configuration issue
[05:20:00] SlicerDicer-: yep bcarlisl
[05:20:00] kormoc: djohnson, running it via the command line bypasses apache totally
[05:21:00] bcarlisl: Is there a specific tuner type that I need to set? Dmesg keeps telling me that tuner type isn't set after I modprobe ivtv.
[05:21:00] bcarlisl: I'm using 0.4.2
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[05:22:00] djohnson: are you in north america bcarlisl
[05:23:00] bcarlisl: Yes.
[05:23:00] djohnson: Here, let me see what my tuner type is....
[05:23:00] bcarlisl: k
[05:24:00] djohnson: Damn, it's off of dmesg... :(
[05:24:00] djohnson: 47
[05:25:00] SlicerDicer-: bcarlisl: 0.4.2 is what I use with 2.6.13 kernel
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[05:26:00] SlicerDicer-: I would not use a 2.6.14 or 2.6.15 they get angry
[05:26:00] bcarlisl: oh :(
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[05:26:00] bcarlisl: I'm on 2.6.15
[05:26:00] SlicerDicer-: at least in my experience
[05:26:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah they hated ivtv and lirc
[05:26:00] SlicerDicer-: it would not work till I downgraded but its easy enough to downgrade
[05:27:00] bcarlisl: Yeah, I can just d/l it.
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[06:48:00] Shdwdrgn: anyone know off-hand how to turn off the screen blanking on xorg?
[06:48:00] tetrawr: xset dpms off
[06:48:00] tetrawr: i think
[06:48:00] tetrawr: man xset
[06:50:00] Shdwdrgn: wonder if I can put that into the option in xorg.conf? Guess I'll play with it and see. Thanks for the info
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[07:01:00] awb4422: i think there is a way to set it xorg.conf
[07:01:00] awb4422: its escaping me at the moment, but it involves dpms
[07:01:00] awb4422: wait no
[07:02:00] awb4422: jarod wilson wrote a script for the "auto startup"
[07:02:00] awb4422: "/usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms"
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[07:07:00] timbo_: hey everyone I've a weird problem with mythmusic, It plays some mp3's really slowly but if I mplayer something.mp3 it plays fine can anyone help...
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[07:11:00] timbo_: anyone....
[07:18:00] timbo_: ummm help....
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[07:32:00] Calroth: ok, time to upgrade to media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163
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[07:36:00] Calroth: ahh, gentoo 2006.0 is out
[07:37:00] jchome: yeah, since yesterday
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[07:45:00] tetrawr: Calroth: yay :)
[07:52:00] ** xris feels productive **
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[07:54:00] nuxil: moorning gents
[07:57:00] nuxil: i hate yet another issue with mythtv.. i tryed to play 3 dvd with myth now.. but each time i get this stupid langu. i cant understand,, eigther spanish or italian.. cant tell.. i never get i to english.. and i tryed to look in the settings all i see i some mplayer commans with some parameters.. anyideas anyone?
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[08:03:00] nuxil: oh sorry for bothering you guys fro such a simple thing :)
[08:03:00] nuxil: i fixed it by adding -alang en :)
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[08:08:00] xris: ok, down to 8 mythweb tickets again.. time for sleep.
[08:09:00] nuxil: DAMN.. now i have the same issue as i had last day the playing mysic
[08:09:00] nuxil: *music
[08:09:00] nuxil: Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.
[08:09:00] nuxil: damn.. why did u get that on every reboot
[08:10:00] nuxil: so anoying not beeing able to play music..
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[08:11:00] nuxil: last day i change the mixer to mixer0 and i was ok.. but now its not og anymore for some reason
[08:12:00] nuxil: 2006-02–28 09:08:01.354 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
[08:12:00] nuxil: Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.
[08:13:00] nuxil: why is it trying to use OSS ??
[08:13:00] nuxil: i use alsa
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[08:19:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: you here?
[08:19:00] nuxil: i shouldnt say this.. but im real stupid :P.. the reason i get that message is cos i have crypted my music on a seperat parition,, and i have to decrypt it before beeing able to accsess it :P done with a script tho :P but i have to run that script manualy after each reboot.. i just forgot to do so LOL
[08:26:00] SlicerDicer-: hey guys I got some serious issues with my backend/frontend since upgrading to .19.. I am having issues with commercial skipping it jams up and audio buffer overflows and then locks the frontend up totally.. I jams on fastforward for about 5 seconds or greater if I do it manually
[08:26:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know what to do about this
[08:26:00] SlicerDicer-: its AMD64 backend/frontends that I am having issues on
[08:26:00] SlicerDicer-: I havent built it for my x86 boxes yet
[08:32:00] SlicerDicer-: just finished compiling a x86 frontend its doing it as well
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: and for some reason my mythboxes are going crazy as well with buffers
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: Mem: 2054196k total, 2037368k used, 16828k free, 4k buffers
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: Swap: 506036k total, 336k used, 505700k free, 1838380k cached
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: they keep dropping to 0k buffers
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont understand it
[08:34:00] SlicerDicer-: only occurs with the dedicated mythboxes not with the others
[08:34:00] Kelerion: I don't use commercial detection – but the fast forward works perfectly here
[08:34:00] SlicerDicer-: it all worked fine in .18
[08:34:00] Dibblah: buffers 0 can be normal...
[08:35:00] Dibblah: What are you expecting?
[08:35:00] Kelerion: am running svn
[08:35:00] SlicerDicer-: Dibblah: well when it goes to 0k buffers the system goes batshit
[08:35:00] SlicerDicer-: so hey
[08:35:00] Dibblah: total used free shared buffers cached
[08:35:00] Dibblah: Mem: 515988 434296 81692 0 0 382668
[08:35:00] Dibblah: -/+ buffers/cache: 51628 464360
[08:35:00] Dibblah: Swap: 0 0 0
[08:35:00] Dibblah: ... Is one of mine...
[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: Mem: 904132k total, 432876k used, 471256k free, 42812k buffers
[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: Swap: 506036k total, 3760k used, 502276k free, 227556k cached
[08:36:00] phar0e: Mem: 1554484k total, 1520772k used, 33712k free, 8552k buffers
[08:36:00] phar0e: Swap: 995944k total, 476k used, 995468k free, 1174540k cached
[08:36:00] Dibblah: Youch.
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[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: Mem: 2059052k total, 1664268k used, 394784k free, 132676k buffers
[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: Swap: 522104k total, 280k used, 521824k free, 607544k cached
[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: those are my two main systems
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[08:36:00] SlicerDicer-: the buffers are realitively high they run and never crash
[08:37:00] SlicerDicer-: I notice when my mythboxes go to 0k buffers they go crazy and start doing stupid shit
[08:37:00] SlicerDicer-: not to mention they are right now with a low buffers
[08:37:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know
[08:37:00] Dibblah: http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/meminfo.html
[08:39:00] phar0e: what memory options do you have built into the kernel?
[08:40:00] SlicerDicer-: phar0e: they are all identical for all my systems due to using 1gb of ram or higher
[08:40:00] phar0e: what distro?
[08:40:00] SlicerDicer-: gentoo
[08:41:00] SlicerDicer-: phar0e: the systems were fine till I upgraded I am just trying to figure out whats going on and if I should report it as a bug or what
[08:41:00] phar0e: well if you are positive the only thing you've changed is the mythtv software?
[08:41:00] phar0e: no kernel changes, settings, hardware, etc?
[08:42:00] mchou: that is hardly dispositive
[08:42:00] phar0e: it is in my book
[08:42:00] phar0e: SlicerDicer- is an honest man
[08:42:00] mchou: more likely gentoo lusers flipped the wrong USE flags
[08:42:00] SlicerDicer-: phar0e: I have not changed anything that i can remember offhand
[08:43:00] SlicerDicer-: lol mchou
[08:43:00] mchou: I'm not kidding
[08:43:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean I have pretty mild useflags
[08:43:00] SlicerDicer-: [ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.19-r1 +alsa (-altivec) -arts -dbox2 -debug +dvb +dvd -frontendonly +ieee1394 -jack -joystick -lcd +lirc (-mmx) +nvidia -oggvorbis +opengl +oss -unichrome
[08:43:00] phar0e: no jack, lol
[08:43:00] SlicerDicer-: never have why?
[08:44:00] phar0e: no, I just think it sounds funny
[08:44:00] ip_goat_rodeo: you forgot --omg-optimized
[08:44:00] mchou: phar0e: you're too easily amused
[08:44:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean I did have a massive database crash but I do know for a fact that the database info is all correct
[08:45:00] SlicerDicer-: I spent a long long time to verify that it was all correct and putting it in manually
[08:45:00] Dibblah: For Gentoo optimisation tips: http://funroll-loops.org/
[08:45:00] ip_goat_rodeo: indeed
[08:46:00] Dibblah: Are you using Gentoo's patched kernel?
[08:46:00] mchou: my power went out for 1.5 hrs today during prime time.....
[08:46:00] Dibblah: Or vanilla?
[08:46:00] mchou: missed 24, dang it
[08:46:00] phar0e: did you miss `24` mchou ?
[08:46:00] phar0e: FUCK man
[08:46:00] ip_goat_rodeo: well, there's always bittorrent...
[08:46:00] phar0e: yeah hella fast for popular shows
[08:46:00] SlicerDicer-: Dibblah: I have not changed my kernel
[08:46:00] Dibblah: Good thing it's 2006. You can pay to download it legally. Oh. Wait. No.
[08:47:00] SlicerDicer-: Dibblah: its the same kernel
[08:47:00] mchou: think I may have missed CSI too, though that's no big loss
[08:47:00] phar0e: this 12 year old girl knows how to download her OC episodes from bittorrent
[08:47:00] phar0e: I totally made that up
[08:47:00] Dibblah: ... Uhuh. But Gentoo has some wierd ideas about what patches should and shouldn't be mainline. Some really hokey stuff in there.
[08:47:00] mchou: OC?? I thought OC is an "adult" shoe
[08:47:00] mchou: show*
[08:48:00] phar0e: only the first episode was an adult show, it showed 3somes in the bathroom, brawls on the beach, etc... now it's a moral show showing if you smoke pot you will neglect your life and not go to college
[08:49:00] mchou: sune when as brawls on the beach qualify as "adult?"
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[08:49:00] mchou: since*
[08:50:00] mchou: 3-some in the bath might be adult, but not beach brawls
[08:53:00] mchou: I'm sure lucky I wasn't screwing with my usb backup drive when the power failed......
[08:53:00] mchou: sure hate to have to do a fsck on that
[08:54:00] phar0e: how large is your usb drive?
[08:55:00] mchou: I put an old 120GB IDE in there\
[08:55:00] mchou: not too shabby for backup purposes
[08:55:00] phar0e: nope, when you transfer large files does it ever pause briefly?
[08:56:00] mchou: well, I havent really checked
[08:56:00] phar0e: is it usb2.0?
[08:56:00] mchou: seems to have decent thruput, for usb
[08:56:00] mchou: yup
[08:56:00] mchou: and I only transfer large files
[08:56:00] phar0e: I couldn't stream video files over usb2 without pauses during the video
[08:57:00] mchou: cause it's a backup device
[08:57:00] phar0e: I should try again with my new mobo that you can set the usb from fullspeed to hispeed(12mbps)
[08:57:00] mchou: forget about usb1.1
[08:57:00] mchou: no wonder it cant keep up
[08:58:00] mchou: usb1.1 is a joke
[08:58:00] mchou: never even took off
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[08:58:00] phar0e: no, it pauses in 2.0 480Mbps mode
[08:59:00] mchou: like how often are the pauses?
[08:59:00] phar0e: maybe once every 8 minutes for about 5 seconds
[09:00:00] mchou: is this hDTV or?
[09:00:00] mchou: i.e. what bitrate
[09:00:00] phar0e: xvid bitrate, hmm I guess that varies
[09:00:00] mchou: so low bitrate
[09:00:00] phar0e: nothing excessive, 350MB for a 42minute program
[09:00:00] phar0e: yeah very low, nothing USB should have a problem with
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[09:02:00] mchou: I'd be more inclined to think that's a kernel issue if it doent happen in windoze :)
[09:02:00] mchou: doesnt*
[09:03:00] mchou: usb subsystem in kernel leaves a bit to be desired......
[09:04:00] phar0e: well from what I read it's just another case of windows accepting shitty hardware
[09:04:00] phar0e: sort of like you being able to get away with shit memory in windows, but linux will panic
[09:04:00] mchou: that's bullshit
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[09:05:00] mchou: when has bad software ever compensated for bad HW?
[09:05:00] mchou: that's a complete fallacy
[09:05:00] phar0e: well maybe my wording was different
[09:06:00] phar0e: the additional checks linux does on hardware and memory, etc. are more strict
[09:06:00] mchou: the only reason you get away with crappy mem in windows is because it's still compile for i386 instructions :)
[09:06:00] mchou: compiled*
[09:06:00] mchou: phar0e: that's also BS
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[09:07:00] mchou: if linux is better at checking HW it wouldnt allow you to use marginal HW in the first place
[09:07:00] mchou: or at least tell you you are using marginal HW
[09:08:00] phar0e: I dont know , so you're saying linux isn't more particular about the hardware it accepts versus windows being more lenient?
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[09:08:00] mchou: I dont know what you mean by "particular"
[09:09:00] caitlin: that makes no sense, you dont accept hardware, you just talk to it with software
[09:09:00] caitlin: if software can detect failure it can flag it
[09:09:00] mchou: caitlin: that's my point exactly
[09:10:00] caitlin: windows used a hardware extraction layer anyway, so it's black boxed
[09:10:00] mchou: and since linux usb subsystem is a mess, it's surprising it even works.
[09:10:00] caitlin: linux tends to talk straight to hardware
[09:10:00] mchou: I dunno what dope you smoking
[09:11:00] caitlin: it#s good shit man, a degree in IT and a job in an isp.....
[09:11:00] mchou: linux has no HW abstraction layer??
[09:11:00] caitlin: i didn't say that
[09:11:00] caitlin: "tends" was too strong a word
[09:11:00] caitlin: but it can
[09:12:00] caitlin: for example, windoze uses the bios calls to find drives
[09:12:00] caitlin: you can happily lob an oversize drive onto a mobo, tell the bios there's no drive there and linux will still see it
[09:12:00] mchou: if linux didnt use a HAL there is no whay it would have been ported to so many diff architectures.
[09:12:00] mchou: way*
[09:12:00] caitlin: dont run off with a point i wasn't trying to make
[09:12:00] phar0e: I'm just an end user I don't understand how things work, I just make things up in my head that make sense to me and I'm happy with that
[09:13:00] mchou: caitlin: so? you think winnt uses int 13 to talk to disks? lol
[09:13:00] phar0e: mchou: you'll never win this argument, caitlin sounds like a girls name
[09:14:00] caitlin: hey it's dick waving tuesday, i'm gonna go do some work, laters
[09:14:00] phar0e: lol
[09:14:00] caitlin: :P
[09:14:00] caitlin: yeh, i'm a girl
[09:14:00] phar0e: and mythtv user?
[09:14:00] phar0e: or do you just pretend?
[09:14:00] caitlin: yep, it's running now
[09:14:00] phar0e: no wait, I know, your husband set it up
[09:14:00] mchou: caitlin: I dont let gender get in my way :)
[09:14:00] caitlin: but in fairness, it's on 0.18 because i couldn't get my card working in 0.19 so i do suck
[09:15:00] Kelerion: no – he's this argumentative with *everyone* :)
[09:15:00] caitlin: yeh, he set up my car pc too
[09:15:00] caitlin: because i'm weak and just shower next to the mirror all day
[09:15:00] phar0e: you're missing out... .19 has a crapload of new features
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[09:15:00] Kelerion: yeah yeah
[09:15:00] caitlin: yeh, i can see that, but my gf gets tetchy when the tv's being fiddled with
[09:16:00] caitlin: i need a clear weekend to kick it till it works
[09:16:00] phar0e: you're a lesbian too?
[09:16:00] caitlin: god damn?! no *all* the women in IT..........
[09:16:00] mchou: phar0e: you sure get personal in a hurry :)
[09:16:00] caitlin: yeh, riles the guys working here too
[09:17:00] phar0e: i'm so confused, but i like it
[09:17:00] caitlin: lol
[09:17:00] caitlin: mythtv rocks though
[09:17:00] phar0e: yeah
[09:17:00] caitlin: so lets all have a big hug and stop bursting into tears about software architectures none of us really understand :p
[09:17:00] phar0e: blaire would *not* approve of your personal life
[09:18:00] caitlin: and that's why it's personal.... so other people can butt the fuck out.. cheers
[09:18:00] caitlin: who's blaire?
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[09:18:00] phar0e: cheers mate
[09:18:00] phar0e: tony
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[09:18:00] phar0e: did I spell it wrong?
[09:19:00] Dibblah: 'Did I spell it incorrectly'.
[09:19:00] caitlin: oh, yeh, it's just "blair" i think
[09:19:00] caitlin: isn't it?
[09:19:00] phar0e: hi, english I can speak however I want
[09:19:00] caitlin: tony's alright with us, he let us get married
[09:19:00] Kelerion: yup.. just Blair
[09:19:00] phar0e: and if you speak it you can make sense of it or try to
[09:19:00] phar0e: wait
[09:20:00] phar0e: caitlin+kelerion?
[09:20:00] Kelerion: huh?
[09:20:00] Dibblah: Oh. Stop it. Please?
[09:20:00] caitlin: ?
[09:21:00] Dibblah: Sorry. The tongues hanging out bit really gets on my tits sometimes.
[09:23:00] ** Kelerion decides he's sufficiently lost.. so goes for a coffee **
[09:23:00] phar0e: you have something up your ass? you can't be the grammar police on the internet
[09:23:00] stuarta: its not about the grammar
[09:23:00] phar0e: oh shit, am I referring to an inter-network of networks or am I talking about the "Internet", did I miss my punctuation mark? did I speel punctuation correctly?
[09:24:00] Dibblah: Phar0e: Apologies. Stuarta: I actually deserved that ;)
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[09:25:00] stuarta: okay, think I'll join Kelerion & go have a cup of tea.
[09:25:00] Dibblah: Should I have my third cup of coffee for the day? It's only 9:00 here.
[09:25:00] Dibblah: Well, 9:25.
[09:26:00] caitlin: "phar0e : caitlin+kelerion?" << what?
[09:27:00] caitlin: oh
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[09:28:00] Dibblah: I'm guessing that Craig (assumptions made here) doesn't like that implication either.
[09:29:00] ** Kelerion returns **
[09:29:00] Dibblah: But anyway. Stupid discussion, let's move on. ;)
[09:29:00] Kelerion: I have no feelings about it whatsoever.. my wife on the otherhand might object :)
[09:30:00] phar0e: I only said that because Kelerion kept seeming to jump in right after something was said to caitlin
[09:30:00] Kelerion: Dibblah, treat yourself – nothing like caffiene to jumpstart your day :)
[09:30:00] Dibblah: Because some people don't enjoy watching people making a very public arse of themselves? In a logged channel?
[09:32:00] caitlin: this is logged?!
[09:32:00] caitlin: *runs away*
[09:32:00] Kelerion: up
[09:32:00] Kelerion: yup
[09:32:00] stuarta: hands up, who read the topic!
[09:32:00] Kelerion: -MythLogBot- This channel is logged – http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/
[09:34:00] ** Kelerion tries to figure out what he should be doing today **
[09:34:00] phar0e: good!
[09:35:00] Kelerion: phar0e, how old are you by the way?
[09:35:00] phar0e: I'm glad it's logged, so people can search it, and if they are a woman in a relationship with another woman they can find answers on how to dual with fiddling with the tv and not upsetting their mate
[09:35:00] phar0e: 21, you? it's obvious I'm not a true adult, isn't it?
[09:36:00] Dibblah: Yes.
[09:36:00] Kelerion: just a tad
[09:36:00] phar0e: how old are you two?
[09:36:00] nuxil: hmm the test in my music menu and programmguide menu is outide of the border.. how do i fix it? i have set the text size to small tho
[09:36:00] nuxil: */test/text
[09:36:00] Dibblah: Way too old to be in this discussion.
[09:37:00] Kelerion: nuxil, what dpi are you running at?
[09:38:00] nuxil: ehh?
[09:38:00] nuxil: who do i fix that out
[09:38:00] nuxil: *how
[09:38:00] Kelerion: try starting X with --dpi 100 and see if that fixes it
[09:39:00] nuxil: but i use kdm
[09:39:00] Kelerion: have no idea if it will – but lots of people seem to have success with that when they are having font/text issues
[09:39:00] nuxil: is it in my XF86Config?
[09:40:00] Kelerion: it's in your X startup scripts
[09:40:00] nuxil: xinirrc?
[09:41:00] phar0e: Kelerion: you ask a personal question and then dodge the same back directed back at you?
[09:41:00] nuxil: i need to invetegate :P
[09:41:00] Kelerion: 31
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[09:41:00] Dibblah: No, actually, I was the one dodging. And he's not the one acting immature.
[09:41:00] nuxil: Kelerion, its starting up at 100 already
[09:42:00] Kelerion: nuxil, not sure then
[09:42:00] nuxil: how high can i set the dpi?
[09:42:00] nuxil: 125?
[09:42:00] nuxil: can i safly try that?
[09:42:00] Kelerion: nuxil, in your xorg.conf do you have a DisplaySize setting?
[09:42:00] phar0e: so not acting immature gives you immunity against certain questions?
[09:42:00] Kelerion: nuxil, leave it at 100
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[09:42:00] nuxil: Kelerion, i dont use xorg
[09:43:00] nuxil: xfree
[09:43:00] Kelerion: ok – xfree then
[09:43:00] Kelerion: phar0e, I answered you – am 31.
[09:43:00] Brov: Anyone know how I get Myth Browser to use the correct fonts, firefox selects fixed pitch courier, I presume maybe there isn't one on the system, so whats the easiest way to add it? (xfree)
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[09:43:00] nuxil: Kelerion no not anything names DisplaySize
[09:44:00] nuxil: *named
[09:44:00] nuxil: but i see 2 things.. font bla bla 100 unscaled and font bla bla 75 unscaled
[09:44:00] Kelerion: nuxil, this going to a TV out?
[09:44:00] Dibblah: And just for completeness, I'm 31 as well.
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[09:44:00] nuxil: Kelerion, nop
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[09:45:00] nuxil: Kelerion, I only use the monitor
[09:45:00] Kelerion: nuxil, no idea then
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[09:45:00] nuxil: dang
[09:45:00] Dibblah: nuxil: http://www.acaciaclose.co.uk/28654/126538.htm . . . sion*id*val*
[09:46:00] Kelerion: good link
[09:47:00] nuxil: nice.. i'll read that
[09:47:00] Dibblah: Not really – This should be in the documentation. But I've not got time to make a patch.
[09:48:00] nuxil: i get sick
[09:48:00] nuxil: Heres mine for my 42inch plasma :(
[09:48:00] nuxil: damn.. i want one too :P
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[09:49:00] Kelerion: nuxil, they are worth saving up for – thats what I have in my living room
[09:49:00] Kelerion: I treated myself at christmas
[09:49:00] SlicerDicer-: well I have no fricken idea whats causing that Dibblah
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: I been running mythfrontend --verbose all and reading through and I cant see anything stupid going on... I do have one video that is working properly to some degree but the others are not so I compared them and nothing
[09:50:00] nuxil: Kelerion the cost about 3000$ here in norway.. and you get a cheap one then..
[09:50:00] nuxil: *they
[09:51:00] nuxil: i dont have that kida money :\
[09:51:00] Kelerion: I paid 990UKP (1,452 Euros) for mine
[09:51:00] nuxil: OO
[09:51:00] Dibblah: SlicerDicer-: Err?
[09:51:00] nuxil: your kidding
[09:52:00] Kelerion: nope
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: do you not recall me talking to you not more than 20 mins ago Dibblah
[09:52:00] nuxil: Kelerion what brand?
[09:52:00] Kelerion: one sec – will get the link
[09:53:00] nuxil: i wanna compare that prize to here innorway
[09:53:00] nuxil: brrb
[09:53:00] nuxil: does it support hdtv?
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[09:54:00] Kelerion: pretty similar to this: http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/Content/Product . . . ~Samsung.htm
[09:54:00] Dibblah: Ah. 1:30, in fact.
[09:56:00] ** nuxil wounder why he lives this this expencive contry "norway" **
[09:56:00] Kelerion: its not hd no – but I wasn't too bothered about that
[09:59:00] SlicerDicer-: but yeah fastforward is agonizing Dibblah
[10:01:00] Dibblah: No suggestions, I'm afraid.
[10:02:00] Kelerion: cool – just searched the archives and my first post was Dec 15 2003.. I didn't realise I'd been using myth that long
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[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: bloody hell
[10:07:00] SlicerDicer-: I guess I found the problem
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: nvm
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[10:15:00] Juski: mornin' yawnin
[10:15:00] stuarta: morning juski
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[10:18:00] Kelerion: morning Juski
[10:18:00] Juski: all booked up for lugradiolive now... not much left to do for that, bar build the demo box back up (software wise)
[10:19:00] Juski: btw Kelerion: good news on the hotel front – Jono is negotiating a deal at another hotel
[10:19:00] Kelerion: oh – good good :)
[10:20:00] Juski: I managed to get in the official hotel, seemingly after the announcement all the single rooms had gone – I used an online service.. being careful to make sure I don't fall foul there ;-)
[10:21:00] Juski: so its costing a bit more... it's only for one night anyway
[10:22:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: are you familar with a problem when you try to fastfoward with mythtv it takes eons? and can go beserk with autoskip commercials? when I do autoskip commercials it flatout locks up the frontend and makes the audio go at extreme speed/chipmonk voice
[10:23:00] Juski: nope, sorry
[10:23:00] Juski: oh wait – recordedmarkup table could be borked
[10:24:00] Juski: or if on a remote frontend, make sure the time is synced to the backend (yes, really)
[10:25:00] Kelerion: am patiently waiting for my 5200 to be delivered today.. then I can finally get to use my DVI in on my TV..
[10:26:00] Juski: cool. did you ever sort out the 'interference', or is DVI the solution?
[10:26:00] Kelerion: was modeline problems
[10:26:00] Juski: hang on when did you order that?
[10:27:00] Kelerion: it's running pretty nicely over vga in at the moment
[10:27:00] Kelerion: yesterday
[10:27:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: its on frontend/backend or frontend it dont matter
[10:27:00] Juski: so it was cos you weren't running at the native res, Kelerion?
[10:28:00] Juski: SlicerDicer – weird problem you got there, then... but check the recordedmarkup table anyway
[10:28:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: also all my frontends/backend sync with ntp so the times are same
[10:28:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: how do I check the record markup for borkedness
[10:28:00] Kelerion: I was.. 852x480.. but it was all messed up... I took my machine downstairs (only one powerful enough and running windows) and ran powerstrip.. it give me a modeline that worked perfectly
[10:28:00] Juski: erm mysqlcheck?
[10:29:00] SlicerDicer-: mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[10:29:00] Juski: ahh kay Kelerion :-)
[10:29:00] SlicerDicer-: I ran that a few mins ago it said ok ok ok ok for all tables
[10:29:00] caitlin: i wonder why it is i can never make htaccess work right
[10:29:00] Kelerion: am *presuming* that the same modeline will work over DVI too.. will have to wait and see..
[10:30:00] Kelerion: caitlin, htaccess is black magic
[10:30:00] Juski: and then some
[10:30:00] ** Juski mutters an incantation to change his mythweb password **
[10:31:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[10:31:00] ** stuarta passes juski a chicken **
[10:31:00] Juski: it's Tuesday, so I need a pig instead
[10:31:00] Juski: ;-)
[10:31:00] stuarta: sorry, I'm all out of pigs.
[10:31:00] LesterOfPuppets: mmm pork
[10:32:00] Kelerion: htaccess becomes even more wierd when you start messing with modrewrites too.. that has given me many a sleepless night
[10:32:00] Juski: getting mythweb to work is mostly easy though
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[10:33:00] Juski: if your system is internet facing, put a .htaccess file in your web root
[10:33:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: I am running mythcommflag --all to reflag everything
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[10:33:00] Jasper: hmm
[10:33:00] SlicerDicer-: hopefully that fixes it
[10:34:00] Jasper: my system got totaly irresponsive..
[10:34:00] Juski: SlicerDicer – might do
[10:34:00] Kelerion: woohoo.. my card just arrived :)
[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: Mem: 2054196k total, 2037944k used, 16252k free, 0k buffers
[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: yay it happend again
[10:35:00] Kelerion: hopefully this will be an improvement on my 9200SE
[10:35:00] Jasper: ok nice...
[10:35:00] Jasper: no free disk space left..
[10:35:00] Juski: great. firefox has hung with a massive e-req in it
[10:35:00] Kelerion: although that card does admirably well
[10:35:00] SlicerDicer-: Jasper: new harddrive? ;-)
[10:35:00] Kelerion: e-req?
[10:35:00] Juski: e-requisition. we have a great part ordering system here
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[10:36:00] Kelerion: ahh..
[10:36:00] Juski: for bits we use to build our kit, we use a paper req. which is put onto computer to make the order
[10:36:00] Jasper: SlicerDicer- I didnt know mythtv would just fill up your drive
[10:36:00] Jasper: and then stop funtioning
[10:36:00] Juski: to get stuff from RS & farnell we do electronic reqs.. which are printed out & faxed
[10:36:00] SlicerDicer-: Jasper: did you disable the function to auto-expire?
[10:36:00] Juski: :-/
[10:36:00] Jasper: nope
[10:37:00] Jasper: I just left watch tv on
[10:37:00] Jasper: all night I guess
[10:37:00] Juski: been leaving live tv on eh?
[10:37:00] Kelerion: 28 quid for a 5200.. I think thats a pretty decent price
[10:37:00] Juski: oops. won't be doing that again then eh?
[10:37:00] Jasper: juski, hmm
[10:37:00] Juski:
[10:37:00] LesterOfPuppets: 5200 agp, or pcie?
[10:37:00] Jasper: it can't handle that
[10:37:00] Kelerion: 7
[10:38:00] Juski: ouch
[10:38:00] Kelerion: agp.. passive cooled
[10:38:00] LesterOfPuppets: do they make pcie?
[10:38:00] ** Juski barfs in the direction of pcie **
[10:38:00] caitlin: stop letting me seeee my paaaaages
[10:38:00] caitlin: not what you normally yell at your webserver i know....
[10:38:00] Kelerion: fan was crapping out on the 9200SE and making a real racket.. so looking forward to quiet again.. lol
[10:38:00] Kelerion: lol
[10:38:00] LesterOfPuppets: I would've sold you mine cheeper, but shipping from Vancouverm, USA might've hurt a bit
[10:39:00] LesterOfPuppets: I put an aftermarket passive cooler on my 9800pro, very nice
[10:39:00] SlicerDicer-: Juski: I found the problem heh
[10:39:00] Kelerion: Juski, was from your favorite retailer too :P
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[10:39:00] Jasper: hmm but juski...can't you define max livetv file size?
[10:40:00] Juski: caitlin:... psst: http://pastebin.com/576392
[10:40:00] Juski: Japser no you can't. mythtv just assumes you'll never be stupid enough to leave live tv on all night ;-)
[10:40:00] Jasper: hmm
[10:40:00] Juski: sucky, huh? that's live tv for ya. get into good habits soon
[10:40:00] madar: Hello all, I foolishly deleted a video file from the directory that holds my recordings (manually not through the myth interface) and now I can't see how to get this listing to go away from within myth
[10:41:00] Juski: madar make a dummy file of the same name...
[10:41:00] Jasper: juski I left it on as a test
[10:41:00] Jasper: it didn't succeed I guess..
[10:41:00] Jasper: :P
[10:41:00] madar: I thought of that but how do I know exactly what to call it
[10:41:00] Juski: madar: look in the mythbackend log
[10:41:00] Jasper: anyways Juski, where does myth store transcoded items?
[10:41:00] madar: thanks
[10:42:00] Juski: what?!
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[10:42:00] Jasper: ?
[10:42:00] Kelerion: in the same place it stores all it's other recordings
[10:42:00] Jasper: hmm
[10:42:00] Jasper: then I guess it auto deleted it..
[10:42:00] Jasper: it finished transcoding
[10:43:00] Jasper: and recoridng is nowhere to be found :(
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[10:45:00] caitlin: bleh, what owner and permissions should be on .htaccess and htpasswd?
[10:45:00] caitlin: mine seem to be root and 777
[10:45:00] Kelerion: ok folks.. off to break my perfectly working frontend.. am gonna be popular when missus gets home :) brb
[10:46:00] madar: Sorry again Juski, where exactly is this log file? Not finding it...
[10:46:00] Jasper: ./var/log
[10:47:00] RaYmAn-Bx: can anyone recommend a good low-power small (and silent) motherboard for mythtv combined frontend/backend? I don't think I'll ever get this Hauppauge PVR-500 card working in my via epia sp-13000.
[10:48:00] Jasper: why not RaYmAn-Bx ?
[10:48:00] SlicerDicer-: damn I love grep :)
[10:49:00] RaYmAn-Bx: Jasper: DMA errors..and zero byte ouput from /dev/video0...I also tried installing windows on the box, but same thing..no frames captured
[10:49:00] Jasper: hmm that's weird
[10:50:00] Jasper: did you mess around in your bios?
[10:50:00] RaYmAn-Bx: plenty, also tried 3 different bios versions (Which is all there is)...disabled devices to free up irq's etc
[10:51:00] RaYmAn-Bx: I can't actually get it to assign unique irq's to the pvr-500 though..
[10:51:00] RaYmAn-Bx: it just wants to share even if there's free ones
[10:51:00] phar0e: taking wagers, who thinks an AMD 1GHz with GF4 MX w/ XvMC support(nvidia prop. drivers) will handle 1280x720 60FPS HD mpeg2 without problem?
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[10:52:00] RaYmAn-Bx: Jasper: I can't seem to find anyone who's gotten it working or even tried..only people saying they are planning to try...Lots of people with success on via epia boards with CLE266 chipset though
[10:53:00] madar: Okay cool now; thanks!
[10:53:00] Jasper: hmm
[10:53:00] madar: bye
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[10:54:00] phar0e: hey caitlin , your htaccess and htpasswd should be something like 600 with user/group the same as what the webserver is running as
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[10:58:00] caitlin: apache seems to be running as root and as www-data
[10:58:00] ** caitlin wonders if apache is being naughty **
[10:58:00] caitlin: all the mythweb files are root root
[10:58:00] caitlin: the symlink to the htaccess conf file is root root as well, as default install
[10:59:00] RaYmAn-Bx: it's pretty normal to have a single apache process run as root and a bunch as non-root (generally with apache)
[11:00:00] Catbert: phar0e: abandon all hope of getting a 1GHz CPU to play HDTV, even with XvMC
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[11:02:00] phar0e: seriously Catbert ?!!?!?! CRY
[11:02:00] Dibblah: VIA can.
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[11:03:00] Jasper: I got 40% cpu load with xvmc with normal pal tv on a800 mhz
[11:03:00] Catbert: Dibblah but the EPIA boards have full mpeg2 decoders, which isn't the same
[11:03:00] Catbert: Jasper: if you're talking transcoded recordings, they'll be in your recordings directory
[11:03:00] Dibblah: Yeah, I know. But it still meets the criterion of the question.
[11:03:00] Jasper: catbert no it aint
[11:03:00] Jasper: it's gone..
[11:03:00] Jasper: :(
[11:03:00] Calroth: is there a standard way of measuring cpu load?
[11:03:00] Catbert: Jasper: oops. another lesson learned then
[11:03:00] Calroth: i measure it 100% – idle time
[11:03:00] phar0e: well no big deal, not like I have a HD-TV, might as well just transcode everything down a tad
[11:03:00] Catbert: Calroth: top
[11:04:00] Calroth: i mean, top gives you a whole bunch of numbers
[11:04:00] Catbert: man top
[11:04:00] Calroth: if you get a certain % in the wait state, is that considered load?
[11:04:00] peecee: that's cpu state waiting for i/o
[11:04:00] phar0e: caitlin: the parent process is always root, then it has a bunch of child processes that run as www or nobody, or however you have it setup
[11:05:00] peecee: it means your disks are busy , making the cpu wait
[11:05:00] Catbert: or it means the system is just idle, doing nothing
[11:05:00] Calroth: yes, is waiting considered load? :-)
[11:05:00] peecee: no
[11:06:00] phar0e: EPIA boards are the motherboard or video card?
[11:06:00] Calroth: i guess what i'm getting at here is, when people say "load", some people measure "user time"
[11:06:00] Calroth: some people measure "user + system"
[11:06:00] Calroth: and some people measure "100 – idle"
[11:06:00] peecee: user time is part – yes, user+system is good
[11:06:00] Calroth: i'm not saying, what's correct, i'm saying, you'll get wildly varying "load" scores because people measure it differently
[11:06:00] Catbert: phar0e: EPIA motherboards. don't count on CN400 chipset support being easy to get working though
[11:07:00] peecee: generally, if my machines stay above 5% wait, I start looking at vmstat
[11:07:00] ** Catbert has 99.3% idle, 0% wa **
[11:07:00] k-man_: does mythgallery have any bizzare prerequisites?
[11:07:00] Catbert: and that's making a recording from a pvr150 right now
[11:07:00] peecee: does anyone know how to force yum to overwrite conflicting files?
[11:07:00] peecee: you're fine
[11:08:00] peecee: k-man_: what's the problem?
[11:08:00] k-man_: i installed the .debs of mythgallery but when i try and view an image i just get a blank screen
[11:08:00] k-man_: and i suspect its missing some librayry that it uses to display the images
[11:09:00] jchome: Why does my mythfrontend hang up without any log entry if a livetv recording is finished?
[11:09:00] peecee: myth needs write permission in the directory where the images are
[11:09:00] Catbert: jchome: known bug, already fixed in SVN
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[11:09:00] nuxil: damn.. how can i get this text not to go outside the boxes? http://octan.dynserv.net/screenshot/mythtv2.png .. i have tryed all sorts of dpi settings and tryed to adjust the small medium and big font size in mythtv with no luck .. so im staring to wounder if i need some sort of hack to fix it.. anyone else had the same problem and managed to fix it? pls tell me how
[11:10:00] jchome: Catbert: aah, cool .. i'd better do a svn snapshot ..
[11:10:00] Catbert: nuxil: bad theming?
[11:10:00] nuxil: no
[11:10:00] Catbert: nuxil: I think it is
[11:10:00] nuxil: same for all themes
[11:11:00] Catbert: you'd be surprised
[11:11:00] nuxil: im changing theme to one i havnt tryed yet
[11:11:00] nuxil: let me see how that works
[11:11:00] Catbert: nuxil: if the theme has any font requirements, and you've not installed them, you'll see stuff like that
[11:12:00] Catbert: also happens if your desktop DPI isn't set to 100
[11:12:00] peecee: I'm upgrading one of my frontends via yum, and I get conflicts with kdelibs...how can I force an overwrite?
[11:12:00] Catbert: all themes assume your DPI is 100
[11:13:00] nuxil: well i start up X with -dpi 100 tho
[11:13:00] k-man_: thanks peecee, ill give that a go
[11:14:00] nuxil: Catbert, i'll be damnd lillius theme dosent have this issue :\
[11:14:00] Kelerion: back.. that went suspiciously too easily
[11:14:00] Catbert: blue had similar problems for me when I used it, nuxil
[11:15:00] Catbert: since I started using ProjectGrayhem-wide, all is well (almost) ... :-D
[11:15:00] nuxil: so can i hack the theme file and set anithr font for it?
[11:15:00] Kelerion: mind you.. I'd forgotten I'd changed the card from a 9200SE to a MX440... so from MX440 to FX5200 was just a case of switching cards
[11:15:00] nuxil: *another
[11:15:00] Catbert: nuxil: you can try... look in theme.xml and ui.xml
[11:15:00] Catbert: heh Kelerion: all good though?
[11:15:00] Kelerion: will get the laptop later and take it downstairs and set it properly
[11:16:00] Kelerion: yeah.. it's fine
[11:16:00] nuxil: i'll do that,, cos i really like the blue theme
[11:16:00] Kelerion: bit too much overscan.. but thats neither here nor there
[11:17:00] Kelerion: the picture looks "softer".. bit hard to explain.. it's like the *whole* screen is antialiased..looks quite nice.. I figure that must be the dvi
[11:17:00] Catbert: got my minimyth frontend overscanning juuust right now. the bbc news24 ticker is slap bang on the bottom of the screen now, as it is on my cable box
[11:17:00] Catbert: 720x576Noscale ;)
[11:18:00] Catbert: it's exactly 1:1 and interlaced, so no need to deinterlace.. so happy about that
[11:18:00] Kelerion: yup :)
[11:19:00] Catbert: btw Kelerion: seen the message about $ky changing their channel numbers tomorrow?
[11:19:00] Catbert: be ready... be _very_ ready
[11:19:00] Kelerion: huh?? what?? again!!?!?
[11:20:00] Catbert: oh wait it's today!
[11:20:00] Kelerion: ahh crap
[11:20:00] nuxil: whats the comment sytax for xml files?
[11:20:00] nuxil: << sometxt !> ??
[11:20:00] Catbert: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28384.html
[11:20:00] greg_: Catbert I tried 720x576Noscale and it gave me a weird mixed up x display with lines out of order and parts of the display repeated
[11:21:00] greg_: did you do anything else apart from set move 720x576Noscale?
[11:21:00] greg_: mode even
[11:21:00] Catbert: nope... works for me (tm)
[11:21:00] Kelerion: thanks for the headsup.. missed that
[11:21:00] greg_: d'oh
[11:21:00] greg_: :)
[11:21:00] greg_: you got a widescreen or 4:3 tv?
[11:21:00] Catbert: minimyth takes care of lots of things...
[11:21:00] Catbert: greg_: 16:9 TV
[11:21:00] greg_: me too, weird
[11:22:00] Catbert: displaysize is set to 400, 225 in xorg.conf
[11:22:00] Catbert: www.juski.co.uk/xorg.conf
[11:22:00] greg_: i tried that too, no luck
[11:22:00] greg_: cheers, i'll compare xorg confs when i get home :)
[11:23:00] ** Kelerion backs up his db first.. **
[11:23:00] Catbert: BTW all Sky TV users.. take note – channel numbers change today: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28384.html
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[11:23:00] Kelerion: last time I used a lineup from digitalspy.. it was *completely* wrong
[11:23:00] Juski: best to suck it & see, methinks
[11:23:00] Kelerion: yup
[11:24:00] Kelerion: at least mythweb makes it easy to change stuff like this
[11:24:00] Juski: I'd personally script it
[11:24:00] Juski: I don't call hand-editing over 100 channels 'easy' ;-)
[11:25:00] Kelerion: I've done that before.. but 150'odd channels is a bit much
[11:25:00] Juski: when NTL do it I'll use the opportunity to slim my listings down
[11:26:00] Kelerion: I do wish mythwebs channel editor had a sort function though.. lol
[11:26:00] Kelerion: might look into doing that at some point
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[11:36:00] Juski: already cancelled my full package.. now just on the 'family' deal.. no sports, no movies, no pr0n.. no loss :)
[11:37:00] Juski: Sky Movies (you've never heard of, which tv_grab_uk_rt rates as 2 stars or less anyway)
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[11:47:00] Kelerion: ok – all done.. hopefully :)
[11:54:00] Juski: another use for livetv.. testing channel numbering ;)
[11:55:00] caitlin: what did the slug say to the snail?
[11:55:00] Juski: see that story about NTL testing 100mbit broadband? very interesting...
[11:55:00] Juski: caitlin: no idea. what did the slug say to the snail?
[11:55:00] caitlin: what did the slug say to the snail?
[11:55:00] caitlin: oop
[11:55:00] caitlin: "big issue?"
[11:55:00] Kelerion: yup yup ... it's already doing 30mb connections.. so it shouldn't be too long away
[11:55:00] caitlin: damn up button
[11:55:00] Juski: lol
[11:55:00] caitlin: well, i can't tell jokes, but never mind
[11:56:00] Juski: Kelerion: 30mb ? where?
[11:56:00] Juski: I knew about the 10mb ones.. but 30?!
[11:57:00] Juski: gimme one of them symmetric pipes so me & friends can go mythtv over WAN
[11:58:00] Kelerion: oops.. yeah.. 10.. I must have been thinking about something else
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[12:03:00] Juski: damn. I need to open a socket. ha
[12:04:00] Juski: 24'isms ;-)
[12:05:00] Kelerion: I still dont watch it.. lol
[12:05:00] Juski: series 5 is ace
[12:05:00] phar0e: yo yo yo yo yo
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[12:05:00] phar0e: what's everyone's favourite font?
[12:06:00] Kelerion: Tahoma
[12:06:00] Juski: ha-ha.. Kingston comms closes down its IPTV thingy. those boxen might make lightweight frontends
[12:06:00] phar0e: tahoma, very good choice
[12:06:00] Juski: Tahoma / Bitstream Vera
[12:06:00] Jasper: hmm Juski do they broadcast it in the uk yet?
[12:06:00] phar0e: mine is trebuchet MS
[12:06:00] Jasper: what episode are they at of season 5?
[12:07:00] Juski: Jasper: KIT were doing it years ago... nobody bought into it
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[12:07:00] Juski: Jasper: episode 10 aired last night
[12:07:00] Jasper: ah
[12:07:00] Jasper: same as US then
[12:07:00] Jasper: U.S.A
[12:07:00] Jasper: I mean
[12:07:00] Jasper: :P
[12:07:00] Juski: er... no
[12:07:00] Juski: UK is only on episode < 10
[12:07:00] Jasper: so is usa if I recall correctly?
[12:07:00] Kelerion: that'd be 9 then?
[12:08:00] Jasper: episode 10 last night in U.S.A ?
[12:08:00] phar0e: ahh, now I know why everyone hates america.. we make them wait to watch our great TV programming
[12:08:00] Juski: dunno. I'm not watching it from the UK
[12:08:00] Jasper: ah k
[12:08:00] Kelerion: yeah.. but we make you wait for coronation street :P
[12:08:00] Juski: feed I get doesn't have it in surround sound
[12:09:00] Juski: Kelerion: no deal ;-)
[12:09:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[12:09:00] phar0e: what is coronation street? a show about flowers?
[12:09:00] Juski: it's a show about life in a Northern English redneck-ish town
[12:09:00] Kelerion: it's a suburb of manchester!
[12:09:00] ** Juski hopes IPTV dies on its ass **
[12:10:00] phar0e: is it any good?
[12:10:00] stuarta: no
[12:10:00] Juski: phar0e: it's a soap opera.. so you decide
[12:10:00] phar0e: soaps are addicting
[12:10:00] stuarta: juski: iptv as a technology is good.
[12:10:00] Kelerion: it's been running what? 40 years now?
[12:11:00] Juski: stuarta: but all TV , based on fee-paying, on-demand? no thanks
[12:11:00] Juski: I see bad people ;-)
[12:11:00] ** GreyFoxx goes into an epileptic fit at the idea of watch Coronation Street **
[12:11:00] Juski: only Eastenders is worse than Coro' St.
[12:12:00] ** stuarta offers GreyFoxx a cup of tea **
[12:12:00] Kelerion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_Street
[12:12:00] johnp_: emmerdale ?
[12:12:00] Kelerion: Dec 9, 1960..
[12:12:00] Juski: that's like 46 years too long man
[12:12:00] stuarta: home & away? (funniest thing is the UK bought it)
[12:12:00] GreyFoxx: My Grandmother use to watch all the time.... it was painful. Though I was a kid
[12:12:00] Kelerion: I prefer Eastenders :P
[12:12:00] GreyFoxx: Home U& Away is just as bad
[12:13:00] Juski: I prefer gouging my eyes out with spoons
[12:13:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[12:13:00] phar0e: funniest UK show I know is Mr. Bean
[12:13:00] Kelerion: yeah.. but you can't do that 4 times a week
[12:13:00] Juski: OMFG.. not bean!
[12:13:00] ** Juski hides **
[12:14:00] GreyFoxx: God... and how many times did I see "Are you being served?" ... Which might have had a different name over there
[12:14:00] ** Kelerion laughs **
[12:14:00] Kelerion: nope.. that was it
[12:14:00] Juski: the 'good old days'.. 'narf
[12:14:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[12:14:00] Juski: ha-ha... El Reg.. review of a DVB-T dual tunery: "PowerCinema 4.5 crashed a fair few times during the time I tested the card, at random points of usage. It isn't uncommon for applications to crash"
[12:15:00] Juski: isn't uncommon? must be running the wrong distro or summink
[12:16:00] Juski: whoah.. it's a PCI-E tuner
[12:20:00] Juski: no prizes for guessing linux driver status of that card then...
[12:21:00] stuarta: 0?
[12:25:00] Juski: apparently so
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[12:55:00] Kelerion: ahh.. so thats what that button does :)
[12:55:00] caitlin: the secret alt-f4 combo?
[12:56:00] Kelerion: little dinky red button bottom right of my xchat window.. lol
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[13:17:00] Brov: why does myth browser display web pages all wrong, firefox, opera, ie all work fine
[13:18:00] Kelerion: don't know – I don't use myth browser.. so much hassle with a remote
[13:18:00] Brov: anyone else 'not know' :)
[13:19:00] Kelerion: I presume it uses the kde's konqueror stuff.. no sure
[13:19:00] Juski: internet on TV ... very big :-(((((((((((((( ;-)
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[13:19:00] Brov: so why is myth browser included at all then
[13:20:00] Juski: no idea. i never use it
[13:20:00] Kelerion: because some must obviously find it useful
[13:20:00] Juski: some sites look okay
[13:20:00] Juski: dilbert.com & stuff are good & work well
[13:20:00] Brov: why didnt they just integrate firefox or opera
[13:21:00] Juski:
[13:21:00] Brov: instead of something that doesn't really work
[13:21:00] Juski: Brov: uhhhh cuz it'd make it too damn big?
[13:21:00] Kelerion: and add more dependencies
[13:21:00] Juski: why do so many myth users never stop fucking _whining_ ?
[13:22:00] Kelerion: if you don't like it Bruv, either don't use it.. or rewrite it.. it's pretty simple
[13:22:00] Brov: why do people come on a myth help channel, ask a simple que and get answers from people who don't actually KNOW anything about the answer, then get bitched and whined at
[13:23:00] Brov: so you dont know the answer, why not just NOT answer
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[13:23:00] Kelerion: because then people like you start with "So?? doesn't anyone know?? is anyone here???"
[13:24:00] Brov: so are you a dev on myth
[13:24:00] Kelerion: nope
[13:24:00] Brov: are youa linux guru?
[13:24:00] Dibblah: You've had answers from 3 people who do know.
[13:24:00] Kelerion: I know a thing or two about linux yes
[13:24:00] GreyFoxx: Brov: The reason it uses konqueror was because the guy who sent in the patch chose to use it. I don't remember him giving much reason other than KDE being available on most systems. As far azs I know noone has looked to change that
[13:25:00] GreyFoxx: I think it's a feature that most of the main devs don't use
[13:25:00] Kelerion: oh.. so I was right then? it does use konqueror?
[13:25:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[13:26:00] Brov: so how do you make it pick up fixed pitch fonts properly
[13:26:00] GreyFoxx: Brov: I couldn't tell you. I've never installed it
[13:27:00] GreyFoxx: --disable-mythbrowser when I configure mythplugins :)
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[13:27:00] Brov: ok fair enough, and thanks for your polite answer
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[13:28:00] Brov: Is there anyone on the chan who DOES use mythbrowser
[13:28:00] Kelerion: and remember.. I did say it used konqueror too.. which *is* a well developed browser.. so you "why not integrate something that works" suggestion isn't really valid
[13:28:00] Brov: Kelerion: you dont know the answer so why continue on and on about it
[13:28:00] Brov: I wanna speak to someone who DOES know the answer
[13:28:00] GreyFoxx: Brov: Your question sounds familiar, might have seen it asked on the -users list, so there could be something in the archives
[13:29:00] Brov: Believe me I've searched and googled and experimented for 2 days before coming on here
[13:29:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[13:29:00] Kelerion: I suspect I *do* know the answer.. and i would suggest setting up konqueror outside myth with how you'd like it to work.. and then see if those settings transfer into mythbrowser
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[13:30:00] GreyFoxx: Very possible
[13:30:00] GreyFoxx: And probab ly very likely
[13:30:00] Cromz: so.. GreyFoxx.. have I told ya lately how much I like mythtv? :) heheh
[13:30:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[13:31:00] Shaamone: anyone had any joy with 0.19 and FC4?
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[13:31:00] Kelerion: Shaamone, as a frontend only I have
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[13:31:00] Shaamone: Kelerion, did you have problems running it as a backend?
[13:32:00] Kelerion: didnt try.. I have my backend running under ubuntu
[13:32:00] Shaamone: ah IC.. what hardware you running frontend on? I'm looking to use an epia M10000 that currently runs knoppmyth
[13:37:00] Shaamone: anyone else? My epia machine will be a slave backend with Hauppauge Nova-t DVB card.. Should it be powerful enough?
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[13:47:00] Juski: was just about to try mythbrowser in 0.19 and... KCrash: Application 'mythbrowser' crashing. so much for that then
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[13:51:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: any news on when those msntv's arrive
[13:51:00] sphing: i think i'm so excited
[13:52:00] Juski: I've asked an ebay seller about shipping to the UK
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[13:54:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Still waiting. The box that arrived yesterday was another toy I had on the way :)
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[13:59:00] greg_: you have to solder a serial connector onto those msntv boxes don't you?
[14:00:00] greg_: they only have the pins?
[14:00:00] Juski: 4 pins
[14:00:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: they're kinda expensive on ebay... like $20+$20 at the cheapest... where'd you get 4?
[14:00:00] Juski: and you need a TTL-rs232 converter
[14:00:00] greg_: cool, they look like great frontends
[14:00:00] sphing: I wonder if its possible to take off the msn logo
[14:01:00] Juski: remove the panel, paint over it
[14:01:00] Juski: (apply MythTV decal here)
[14:01:00] sphing: well I dont have one infront of me, so I'm not sure how easy it'd be to remove the panel
[14:02:00] Juski: fine sandpaper or solvents to remove the old paint, mask the metal.. spray then lacquer
[14:02:00] Juski: academic ;-)
[14:04:00] Cromz: which ones you get? the 2100 or the 4100? and huh whats the differance? beside 2000 number.
[14:04:00] Juski: different architecture
[14:04:00] Juski: the 2100 is the one to get
[14:04:00] sphing: Juski: i thought it was the 4100?
[14:04:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: 2 different ebay auctions
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[14:04:00] GreyFoxx: 1 was 3 of them for $27 :)
[14:04:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: ah I thought it was all in one
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: I'll just solder one together, I've got the gear for it
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[14:05:00] sphing: Juski: you want the 4100 according to http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: You want the 4100
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: the 2100 is the msntv1, mips based
[14:06:00] GreyFoxx: no ethernet, less ram, and so far noone has bothered to even look at hacking it
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[14:09:00] Juski: ahhh duh
[14:09:00] Juski: 50% chance I was wrong
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[14:10:00] johnp_: Juski, have you tried minimyth 19 beta 3 ?
[14:13:00] Juski: johnp_: not yet. beta2 mostly works ok
[14:14:00] johnp_: ah right, I got it booted up which is a good thing, I've not got any sound though.
[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: you know.... Mythtv decals would be kind of cool
[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: small/midsize ones you could stick on the front of the box
[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: (or any box)
[14:15:00] Juski: I have huge logo files ;)(
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: Wont what a small run of those would cost
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: wonder even
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[14:17:00] o_cee: we just made stickers.. we made ~300 pcs, size was 1/3 of a A4.. costed about 1$ pcs..
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[14:18:00] o_cee: just to give you a rough idea
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: hrm... might have to call around
[14:18:00] Juski: nice
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: not looking to profit or anything, but just a nifty type of thing I could see a bunch of people wanting. Should be cheap enough to ship too
[14:18:00] opello: heh, i'd want a mythtv case badge
[14:19:00] o_cee: GreyFoxx, what happened to your osd theme? made any improvements?
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: o_cee: Yeah, I just haven't updated the one of the site
[14:19:00] o_cee: GreyFoxx, allrighty
[14:19:00] o_cee: could probably add it to myththemes as well
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: I'll update that tonight so others can try it out
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: yeah I think I will
[14:19:00] o_cee: much easier
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[14:23:00] sphing: johnp_: whats minimyth?
[14:23:00] Cromz: opello, http://www.securisysagency.com/ have one made ;)
[14:23:00] Juski: www.linpvr.org/forum
[14:24:00] johnp_: sphing, what juski said.
[14:25:00] Cromz: doh 10 or mnore?!
[14:25:00] Cromz: er more
[14:25:00] Cromz: forget that. lol
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[14:25:00] Juski: I could use some case badges for the lugradiolive show
[14:25:00] opello: heh, i'm sure i could find a few friends that would want one too, it's an idea anyway
[14:33:00] Hoxzer: After I installed SVN version of mythtv I noticed all my records were gone in my "view records" menu and I also tried to record something but seems like it can't still find any records
[14:33:00] Hoxzer: Mythtv says that the program I tried to record was recorded
[14:33:00] Hoxzer: althought I cannot find it
[14:33:00] Hoxzer: where does mythtv save records?
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[14:33:00] Juski: in the database, Hoxzer. jesus
[14:34:00] Hoxzer: god...
[14:34:00] Juski: GreyFoxx & folks... http://www.computercasebadges.com/customised_badges.html#prices
[14:34:00] Hoxzer: caN i somehow check are they there?
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[14:35:00] opello: Hoxzer: maybe try looking in manage recordings > previously recorded
[14:37:00] Hoxzer: opello: it is there
[14:37:00] Hoxzer: but I can't see it in media libary
[14:39:00] Hoxzer: any clues?
[14:40:00] johnp_: hit the menu button and change the group view ?
[14:42:00] johnp_: hmm so if we were to order 50 that would be £42.50
[14:42:00] Hoxzer: I'm really confused
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[14:42:00] Hoxzer: it says I have 00.00GB left
[14:42:00] Hoxzer: altought I have over 270GB hard driver space left
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[14:44:00] o_cee: Hoxzer, what does mythtv-setup say for the recording dir then?
[14:46:00] gremlin484: Is it possible to remove commercials that have been flagged and edited, without transcoding the video to an alternate format?
[14:46:00] o_cee: with 0.19 yes.
[14:46:00] stuarta: provided you record dvb
[14:46:00] o_cee: guess you're talking about mpeg2
[14:46:00] o_cee: or using PVR-x50/500
[14:47:00] gremlin484: well, I have a PVR-150, So I believe it's MPEG1 or 2
[14:47:00] o_cee: mpeg2. look at the transcoding profiles, there's some setting about lossless
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[14:47:00] gremlin484: and I have a script that will create a vcd, but I only want to get rid of commercials
[14:48:00] gremlin484: i'll do so. Thanks
[14:48:00] Hoxzer: o_cee: is it possible it changes the record dir after reinstall?
[14:48:00] greg_: anybody manage to get their pvr500 to record 720x576? If I try that mythtv aborts as soon as I go to live tv. I assume if the tv signal is 720x576 and my tv is 720x576 recording at any other rez means a fair picture quality decrease?
[14:48:00] o_cee: Hoxzer, why don't you just check it?
[14:49:00] Hoxzer: o_cee: it is /var/lib/mythtv/
[14:49:00] o_cee: greg_, of course it should be 720x576. did you change all profiles?
[14:49:00] o_cee: Hoxzer, right.
[14:49:00] greg_: it makes the frontend crash o_cee
[14:49:00] greg_: if i set a profile to use it
[14:49:00] o_cee: greg_, PAL I guess?
[14:49:00] greg_: yep
[14:50:00] o_cee: greg_, then there shouldn't be any problems.
[14:50:00] greg_: lol i know that o_cee
[14:50:00] greg_: but it crashes, thats why I'm asking :)
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[14:50:00] o_cee: greg_, you asked if anybody did it, i'm saying i've always done it.
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[14:50:00] greg_: cool
[14:50:00] greg_: with a pvr500?
[14:50:00] Hoxzer: o_cee you still helping me?
[14:51:00] o_cee: greg_, yes
[14:51:00] greg_: k
[14:51:00] o_cee: Hoxzer, i don't see how i can help you.
[14:51:00] o_cee: Hoxzer, how am i supposed to know how you partitioned your hd?
[14:52:00] Hoxzer: I have
[14:52:00] Hoxzer: but I dont understand how my records are not in that dir and I could watch those files after reinstall
[14:56:00] Juski: my pvr150 records fine in 720x576
[14:57:00] greg_: thanks Juski
[14:57:00] greg_: mine works fine at 640x480, 720x576 crashes. I'd guess i should try a new ivtv
[14:57:00] Juski: greg_: yup
[14:58:00] Juski: which version are you currently on?
[14:58:00] greg_: .18.1
[14:58:00] Juski: no, ivtv
[14:58:00] greg_: one sec
[14:58:00] greg_: trying to find out :)
[14:58:00] greg_: 0.4.3
[14:59:00] Juski: hrm
[15:00:00] o_cee: greg_, make sure with dmesg that it's initialized properly with a pal tuner and so on
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[15:00:00] Juski: should be fine since it's not having to rescale the video, I'd have thought
[15:00:00] greg_: it is o_cee
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[15:00:00] o_cee: greg_, does recs work? sounds strange that the frontend would crash since it's the backend that's doing the recording part. anyway, you should upgrade to 0.19
[15:00:00] greg_: recs?
[15:01:00] greg_: i'd like to leave .19 for a while, lot of bug reports at the moment on the mailing list
[15:01:00] Juski: recordings
[15:01:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: is there a way to use the msntv without a CF?
[15:01:00] greg_: oh yeah, work perfectly at 640x480
[15:01:00] Brov: Can someone on myth 0.19 confirm whether or not splitartist1 works for mythmusic so sort is A,B,C.. not A-D,E-H... Settings is here (setup|media settings|music settings|general settings|tree sorting = splitartist1 artist album title)
[15:01:00] Juski: Brov: AFAIK it's never done that
[15:02:00] Brov: its never done what? splitartist1 was added to the source at some point
[15:02:00] Juski: mythmusic is another plugin that doesn't get much dev attention
[15:02:00] Brov: i noticed it a few weeks back
[15:02:00] Juski: it's never gone a,b,c,d,e.. always a-e, f-h AFAIK
[15:03:00] Brov: YES thats what splitartist1 is for (with a 1 on the end)
[15:03:00] Juski: so you're saying it's not working...?
[15:03:00] Brov: if someone is running 0.19 and they edit this settings adding a 1 to the end, they'll soon find out
[15:03:00] Juski: I'd say RTFM but I'd be joking
[15:03:00] Brov: NO I'm on 0.18
[15:03:00] Kelerion: Brov, works here
[15:03:00] Juski: ahh
[15:03:00] Brov: cool
[15:04:00] Brov: so it has been added
[15:04:00] Kelerion: yes
[15:04:00] Juski: another reason to upgrade.. as if you need any
[15:04:00] Brov: OK well i wont change the genre of all my mp3's to A,B,C as a workaround I'll wait til I upgrade to 0.19
[15:04:00] Kelerion: btw.. am on svn.. not .19
[15:05:00] Kelerion: gotta head out..back in a bit
[15:05:00] Brov: well i did have a myth on svn BUT then xbox running a myth front end wouldnt communicate cos of diff protocol so back to 0.18
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[15:06:00] Brov: mind u it'd be a doddle to upgrade myth on xbox as the while file sits in a 2gb file so is backedup like ghost very easily
[15:06:00] Juski: I wonder how the proposed changes to mythmusic playlist management went.. or if they did or not
[15:07:00] Juski: looked a bit messy with 4 bins on screen IMHO
[15:07:00] Brov: I have been used to XBMC and didnt like myth )at first) though i can see it has its advantages
[15:07:00] Brov: Mind u all my mp3's are properly tagged
[15:08:00] Juski: it has its limitations – but I rekon it does well for what it is – not being able to drag & drop with a remote ;-)
[15:08:00] Brov: well i think its not far off being perfect
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[15:09:00] Juski: maybe a GUI-based playlist manager would be an idea.. something you run on a desktop
[15:09:00] Brov: yer if you;re on .19 you should give splitartist1 a go (if u have big collection)
[15:09:00] Juski: huge collection here
[15:09:00] Juski: 2/3 the way through sorting all the tags & album art out
[15:10:00] Brov: my OWN collection is sorted 0,A,B,C... I find a single number 0 is all u need for ALL artists who's names begin with a number ie 0..9
[15:11:00] Brov: I wrote a windows program to autotag 95% of mine
[15:11:00] Juski: mine are sorted by artistname/album/titles
[15:11:00] Brov: well yer mine is same but i have the 0,a..z folder as well
[15:11:00] Juski: genres are still pretty much all to hell – defining can be difficult
[15:12:00] Juski: then there are cddb mistakes to take into account
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[15:12:00] Brov: yer the reason for my original que was whether I wanted to just write over the genres with the first letter of artist (to workaround old splitartist) as i dont use them BUT as 0.19 has the extra splitartist1 option, no need
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[15:13:00] Juski: also would be nice not to tie up the whole frontend listening to musak.. that might come in future
[15:13:00] Brov: that said ideally that would just use a 0 for all artists starting 0..9 not have 0,1,2,3 as there simply never is that many artists beginning with a number to warrant needing a sep number for each
[15:14:00] Brov: yer XBMC is very good in this respect
[15:14:00] greg_: i just use xbmc for my music
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[15:14:00] greg_: though getting rid of that extra box would be handy
[15:15:00] Brov: if the XBMC mythttv frontend script was not so flaky then i would probably just use xbmc for it all with myth back end for tv
[15:16:00] Juski: flaky? was ok for me when I hacked it not to show subtitles of show names (too long & it crashes)
[15:16:00] Brov: and if i run the proper full mythtv fronend on xbox, obviously all the xbmc stuff is not loaded (in fact mythtv wont even boot from xbmc, u need to shell out to evox)
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[15:17:00] Juski: I think you could probably write a nigh-on full frontend in python
[15:17:00] Brov: flaky as in it often left stuff running on backend
[15:17:00] Brov: and much other stuff
[15:17:00] Brov: it was a good effort though
[15:17:00] Juski: oh the live tv... well it doesn't work for 0.19 anyway
[15:17:00] mxn_: there is a standard xbox frontend avaible without using linux?
[15:17:00] Juski: mxn_: no
[15:18:00] Juski: very good way to watch recordings though
[15:18:00] Brov: yer i'm not knocking it
[15:18:00] mxn_: hrm, " if i run the proper full mythtv fronend on xbox" sounded like that
[15:18:00] Juski: I watch recordings more than I do anything else with myth
[15:18:00] Brov: mxn : yer thats running regular mythtv frontend on my xbox
[15:19:00] Brov: As in just like any other myth install so on linux
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[15:20:00] Brov: it takes about 1.5 mins to boot up, but does all work just like any other myth frontend
[15:21:00] Juski: 1.5 mins? ouch
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[15:21:00] Juski: if you could program a better frontend for xbmc.. ;-)
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[15:22:00] Brov: obviously the xbmc script method is preferable as then you have all the other xbmc stuff so the script ONLY needs to do tv as all the other sbmc stuff just dup's what is in myth and is better than myth
[15:23:00] Brov: well obviously xbox cannot really do hidef (though does handle 960x5??)
[15:23:00] Juski: I think it'll do 720p
[15:23:00] Brov: yer it does, BUT it wont playback 720p properly
[15:23:00] Juski: aha
[15:23:00] Brov: i have the hidef pack
[15:24:00] Juski: I'm not missing anything there yet.. no HDTV in the UK yet, and none a consumer can record himself for a long time
[15:24:00] Brov: as in it does 720p, 1080i resolutions but does not have the cpu power to pla back much above 960x564
[15:25:00] ** Juski wonders if the GPU can do xvmc **
[15:25:00] Brov: Well u can dl hidef
[15:25:00] greg_: heh same Juski, least it means we can get by with cheaper hardware
[15:26:00] Juski: yeh I can download hidef... nice if you like 'lost'
[15:26:00] Juski: :-/
[15:26:00] Beirdo: get 'lost'
[15:26:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:26:00] Brov: hidef is deffo good for projector dunno about on a TV though, dunno if you can relaly see that much diff to a dvd
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[15:27:00] Juski: I don't think it's that much of a leap from good PAL TV.. seen some horrendous demos
[15:27:00] Juski: dvd upscaling... eew
[15:27:00] Brov: well THOSE hidef lost 960x544 (are the ones I was saying xbmc can output in 720p)
[15:28:00] Juski: can't help but wonder what 1080i will look like on a plasma with a native res. of 1024x720
[15:28:00] Juski: (hd ready)
[15:28:00] Brov: its prolly on the cusp of its cpu power
[15:29:00] Brov: a projector (110" screen) hidef deffo looks a lot lot better than dvd but i dunno about a telly even a 42" one if it makes much diff to a GOOD dvd
[15:30:00] Brov: then again XGA projector is 1024x768 native so even 720p stuff is overkill for that
[15:30:00] Juski: yeh but none of it is the native res. of the display
[15:30:00] Juski: == bad
[15:31:00] Brov: i dont think its bad
[15:31:00] Juski: not so bad with progressive content, but scale interlaced stuff and erm... oh dear
[15:31:00] Brov: i think lost at 960x544 looks excellent at 110" on XGA projector
[15:32:00] Brov: I mean its all been compressed and filtered and had all sorts done by the time I view it anyway, so adding abother GOOD resize filter
[15:32:00] Juski: 1080p is like 1960x1080 – I don't see many displayus being able to do that
[15:33:00] a1fa: hi
[15:33:00] a1fa: ;P
[15:33:00] Juski:
[15:33:00] Brov: as i said I reckon over 720p is IMHO overkill even for a domestic projector, as in diminishing returns after that, god knows how much the cheapest 1080i (native) projector is
[15:34:00] a1fa: hi kids, do you like violence?
[15:34:00] Brov:
[15:34:00] a1fa: expensive
[15:34:00] Juski: a1fa: wanna see you shove nince inch nails thru each one of your eyelids? :-P
[15:34:00] a1fa: 1080p rear projector — $899 here
[15:34:00] Brov: I truly cannot think that at 32" a 720p would look much diff to a DVD
[15:34:00] a1fa: HDTV, DMI
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[15:35:00] Juski: methinks HD is slightly hyped
[15:35:00] Brov: yer but in RIP OFF BRITAIN everything is overpriced
[15:35:00] a1fa: sure is
[15:35:00] ** a1fa feels sad.. I spent $800 yesterday **
[15:35:00] Brov:
[15:35:00] a1fa: Well, $700
[15:35:00] Juski:
[15:35:00] a1fa: XBOX, and AMD64 box
[15:35:00] a1fa: :(
[15:36:00] Brov: and if you've ever imported stuff from U.S its a pain aint it
[15:36:00] a1fa: you guys have same electricity
[15:36:00] a1fa: in UK?
[15:36:00] a1fa: same current?
[15:36:00] Juski: by the time taxes & duty have been paid it's almost the same price
[15:36:00] Brov: mind u TWICE I've chatted to customs and been let off!
[15:36:00] Juski: a1fa: 220V AC, 50Hz
[15:36:00] a1fa: hehe
[15:36:00] a1fa: its 110V here
[15:36:00] Juski: we know
[15:36:00] a1fa: :O
[15:37:00] a1fa: I love 220V
[15:37:00] Juski: a lot of stuff has universal PSUs
[15:37:00] Brov: ours is TWICE as good
[15:37:00] a1fa: you can only fuck up once!!!
[15:37:00] a1fa: Brov : yes.. and you only get 1 screw up.. and then you are toast
[15:37:00] Juski: kaboom
[15:37:00] a1fa: i got electrecuted once with 220V
[15:37:00] a1fa: never again
[15:38:00] a1fa: for some reason it didnt kill me
[15:38:00] a1fa: but i felt the pain
[15:38:00] caitlin: i've been electrocuted a few times in the uk
[15:38:00] a1fa: my heart sqeueezed
[15:38:00] Juski: no, if you'd been electrocuted you'd be dead
[15:38:00] Brov: yer that happened to my gas boiler once when i changed the timer – BANG! (live wire came loose when rescrewing it in)
[15:38:00] caitlin: depends what it goes through, i've only been hit across my hand
[15:38:00] Juski: you had an electric shock ;-)
[15:38:00] caitlin: if you earth with a leg or something, you're fucked
[15:38:00] a1fa: yeah
[15:38:00] a1fa: it shocked me all right
[15:38:00] Brov: I've been electrocute a few time too, im still here
[15:38:00] a1fa: i was 5 years old
[15:38:00] a1fa: i put my hand in the light fixture
[15:38:00] ** Juski has had too many jolts to mention **
[15:39:00] a1fa: ouch that hurt sooo bad
[15:39:00] Juski: TV HT coils, mains wiring...
[15:39:00] Juski: (no fear)
[15:39:00] a1fa: how about licking a phone wire?
[15:39:00] a1fa: i licked a phone wire one time
[15:39:00] Juski: only 50V
[15:39:00] a1fa: omfg!
[15:39:00] a1fa: that stings like a bitch
[15:39:00] a1fa: 12V
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[15:39:00] Juski: so does a TENS machine on yer.. ahem
[15:39:00] Brov: so is a shock in the US not so bad then?
[15:39:00] a1fa: it is
[15:40:00] a1fa: but not as intence
[15:40:00] a1fa: 110V is more deadlier then 220V
[15:40:00] a1fa: 220V shocks you
[15:40:00] a1fa: 110V sticks with you
[15:40:00] rjune: 110 hurts
[15:40:00] a1fa: yeah
[15:40:00] Juski: try 100V DC
[15:40:00] a1fa: 220V just knocks you
[15:40:00] rjune: it's the amperage that'll get ya
[15:40:00] Juski: AC knocks you off
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[15:40:00] Juski: DC, you stick (or move away, depending on the polarity)
[15:40:00] rjune: I caught a live phone line once, that wasn't too much fun
[15:40:00] a1fa: dang dude
[15:41:00] a1fa: rjune : same here
[15:41:00] Brov: I poked a guitar string into the reverb pedal swich on an amp once and it shocked me, the guitar string had a bball of metal on the end after (i was young errr 18 wasnt it!)
[15:41:00] a1fa: rjune : i licked the jack
[15:41:00] rjune: I was wiring it up.
[15:41:00] Juski: people who die licking live wires == natural selection
[15:41:00] rjune: my father decided it would be funny to ring the line while I was doing it
[15:41:00] a1fa: Juski : no
[15:41:00] Brov: what does UK phone line carry i thought it was like nothing?
[15:41:00] Juski: oh yes. respect the electricals folks
[15:42:00] Juski: Brov: 50 volts AC
[15:42:00] phar0e: hmmm, where are the doubters?!?!
[15:42:00] a1fa: i thought it was 12V
[15:42:00] a1fa: anyway
[15:42:00] ** a1fa is thinking of going full x64 **
[15:42:00] Brov: i thougt uk phone like was about 5 or something
[15:43:00] Juski: 50VAC pretty much world wide
[15:43:00] a1fa: i will need to precompile everything
[15:43:00] a1fa: re-compile, rather
[15:43:00] rjune: I think US phone is something like 90VDC
[15:43:00] a1fa: ouch
[15:43:00] Juski: a1fa: yup
[15:43:00] phar0e: HDTV playback on a 1GHz frontend with xvmc works QUITE well and uses 80% cpu
[15:43:00] Brov: just to make a ding ding noise
[15:43:00] a1fa: Juski what you got running?
[15:43:00] Juski: phar0e: with nvidia xvmc? not using a via mpeg2 decoder?
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[15:44:00] Juski: a1fa: athlon 32 bit on the backend
[15:44:00] phar0e: yeah nvidia xvmc, some cheap geforce4 mx
[15:44:00] Juski: wow
[15:44:00] phar0e: yeah I was impressed, no playback problems whatsoever and uses between 40–80% CPU
[15:44:00] Juski: still no hope for us when we get h.264 hdtv
[15:44:00] phar0e: what is h.264 hdtv?
[15:44:00] a1fa: Juski : i got this amd64, i dont know if i should port all my software to x64 as well
[15:45:00] a1fa: it will take me a lot of time to get it working
[15:45:00] a1fa: like, 40min or so :P
[15:45:00] Juski: phar0e: what we're getting in Europe – mpeg4 hdtv
[15:45:00] a1fa: who has 40minutes these days
[15:45:00] phar0e: how many lines of video is that?
[15:46:00] Juski: 1080i
[15:46:00] Juski: and 720p
[15:46:00] Brov: why is 1080i a new standard when everything is going progressive
[15:46:00] phar0e: won't most cable providers broadcast in 720p like the americans?
[15:46:00] Juski: nope
[15:46:00] greg_: Juski the cn400 on the newer via mini-itx has mpeg4 acceleration, not full decoding tho
[15:46:00] greg_: guess it won't be enough tho
[15:46:00] Brov: i doubt in 10 years time there will be any interlaced display devices
[15:46:00] Juski: mpeg4 at those sizes will be a bitch to decode
[15:47:00] phar0e: so is that h.264 "true hdtv" ?
[15:47:00] Juski: Brov don't kid yourself
[15:47:00] Juski: phar0e: yes, just uses mpeg4 rather than mpeg2 to deliver it
[15:48:00] phar0e: that's cool, can't wait until more and more cable networks start broadcasting in high-def
[15:48:00] phar0e: lots of good programming on cable
[15:48:00] phar0e: like my favorite show, coronation street
[15:48:00] Juski: all broadcast flagged, all non-recordable..
[15:48:00] Juski: all HDCP protected
[15:49:00] Juski: lovely. the networks will have it all sewn up if they get their way
[15:49:00] Brov: well i know a few people who have thrown their tellies out, they just download
[15:50:00] Brov: no thats not right, they kept their tellies but dont watch tv channels
[15:50:00] Juski: I figure I can live without TV if it all gets locked up
[15:51:00] Brov: i mean i guess eventually all houses will just have a video port and a sound port ner ceiling height that will just porject the audio & video where its required
[15:51:00] Juski: there'll be those who can afford it, those who can't, and those who refuse to pay for it (and therefore won't have it)
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: It's a harsh reality, but by putting more and more restrictions they just give the people who would crack it more and more motivation
[15:52:00] bob832: broadcast flags only apply to HD content, correct?
[15:53:00] Juski: for now, bob832
[15:53:00] Juski: but since analogue tv will be gone one day, they'll have to opportunity to lock everything down
[15:54:00] Juski: I can't see HDCP lasting long when the chips are down though ;-)
[15:54:00] Brov: yer but somewhere in the chain it has to exist as unencrypted frames for display so it could just be re-encoded to be recorded, a slight quality loss but given how HighQ it is in the first place, maybe not noticeable
[15:54:00] bob832: (sigh) and then there goes my myth-box
[15:54:00] Juski: bob832: only if people stand by & let it happen. oh dear they are
[15:55:00] a1fa: ah :P
[15:56:00] Juski: I read too many US news stories.. it's nowhere near as bad in Europe – we're still relatively free here
[15:58:00] Juski: but, we digress ;-)
[15:58:00] dtm: Juski: as long as you stay off the streets maybe
[15:58:00] dtm: away from big brother's cameras
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: Or off the phonein the US :)
[15:58:00] Juski: heh
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: And don't send email :)
[15:58:00] Juski: or SMS messages
[15:58:00] sphing: anyone know why my recordings arent being commflagged... I disabled it on the master backend but enabled it on the slave
[15:59:00] bob832: IMO, hollywood is too concerned about loosing money by allowing this
[15:59:00] bob832: same for the music industry, they should look for ways to embrace technology changes, not ways to ban them
[15:59:00] Juski: they're losing money becuase they're making shite ;-)
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[16:00:00] dtm: they're not losing money; they're not gaining fictitious potential revenue which exists in their imaginations
[16:00:00] dtm: just to nitpick ;)
[16:00:00] Juski: good call
[16:00:00] Juski: profits not as predicted.. it's them pesky downloader kids!
[16:01:00] dtm: they think they're not increasing their RATE of GROWTH FAST enough
[16:01:00] bob832: if someone likes something, they will buy it
[16:01:00] bob832: movie and music industry don't see that though
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[16:05:00] bob832: juski, you mentioned that broadcasting flags would spell the end for mythtv if people just "stand by", what can one do to?
[16:05:00] bob832: just write to congressmen, women?
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[16:05:00] Juski: bob832: lobby politicians not to allow it
[16:06:00] Juski: it's a protectionist, anti-competitive move
[16:07:00] Juski: or you could buy shares in the DRM companies & be like congressmen ;-)
[16:07:00] bob832: :-D
[16:07:00] scopeuk: i think you guys over rate the hardware requirements of myth
[16:07:00] scopeuk: my 433 seams to cope better than expected
[16:08:00] bob832: question, didn't this same thing occur when VCRs first came out? not so much broadcast flags but the worry over recording and loosing control over material?
[16:08:00] scopeuk: yeh then we got the beta max ruling
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[16:09:00] Juski: and it didn't spell the end of anything
[16:09:00] Brov: hmmm i just realised i dont need to upgrade to 0.19 OR nobble the genre settings of my mp3's I can just write an SQL command to copy the first letter of artist name to the genre field in musicmetadata – cool
[16:09:00] Juski: made ratings harder to work out, probably
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[16:09:00] scopeuk: governmentspander to the companies they hold shares in and exist for
[16:10:00] scopeuk: no modern government truly exists for the suport of its citizens
[16:10:00] scopeuk: suporting buissness is far more lucrative
[16:12:00] Juski: fscking politicians
[16:13:00] scopeuk: polititions == shit on my shoe
[16:13:00] Brov: thats WHAT the internet is for, just ignore politicians
[16:15:00] Juski: ignoring a politician is like turning a blind eye to a tumour
[16:15:00] Brov: no it isnt
[16:16:00] Brov: thay can pass as many laws as they want, if people just ignore them then they are rendered impotent (the war on drugs being a classic example)
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[16:17:00] Juski: okay – you can ignore em so long as you have a choice
[16:17:00] Brov: governments want to ban them, but people want to take them so they ignore the law, a minority get locked up for it, but there are now more drugs than ever, its a fialed law
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[16:19:00] Brov: well they dont even lock people up in UK for violent attacks much anymore, UK IS the most violent country in the developed world, so if they cannot police them i dont think the rest of us have anything to worry about for minor indescressions
[16:19:00] a1fa: Brov : is that why the 5–0 carries mp5 sub machine guns?
[16:20:00] a1fa: 5–0 is cool here
[16:20:00] Brov: 5–0 ?
[16:20:00] a1fa: I was going 85mph in 45mph
[16:20:00] rjune: police
[16:20:00] a1fa: i got pulled over
[16:20:00] a1fa: he let me go
[16:20:00] rjune: where are you that your cops carry submachine guns?
[16:20:00] a1fa: i was on a motorcycle.. freezing my ass
[16:20:00] a1fa: rjune : UK
[16:21:00] Brov: yer in U.S they have some emblance of law and order, UK has gone down the pan, everyone I know including myself has been attacked and no one ever goes to prison for it EVER
[16:21:00] rjune: damn, her they're issued a pistol, and shotgun
[16:21:00] rjune: Brov: we can carry guns here.
[16:21:00] a1fa: Brov : how did you get attacked?
[16:21:00] Juski: some cops in manchester are armed... they post armed officers in the city centre quite often now
[16:21:00] a1fa: i got attacked in Chicago
[16:21:00] a1fa: some guys chased me
[16:21:00] a1fa: wanted a dime
[16:21:00] rjune: it happens here too
[16:21:00] a1fa: i didnt give it to them
[16:21:00] Brov: well mine was admittedly quite a few years back
[16:21:00] a1fa: so they chased me with a knife
[16:21:00] a1fa: hehee
[16:21:00] a1fa: thats why i cary expandable batton
[16:22:00] Brov: but i just wastched my friend court case last week, it was a joke
[16:22:00] a1fa: first sign of trouble... i whip it out and start swinging.. and ask questions later
[16:22:00] Juski: heh. i blame it all on the fact that perps apparently now have 'human rights'
[16:22:00] a1fa: fuck that shit
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[16:22:00] rjune: until they're conviced, they're still citizens
[16:23:00] Juski: yeh and when they are convicted – no more rights...
[16:23:00] Brov: 'SHE' had a broken jaw, head glued together, brusies everywhere, took TEN months to get to court, the PIGS had not bothered to do DNA had NOT bothered to aske for previous to be taken into account til the DAY of the trial!!!
[16:23:00] a1fa: Juski : i like to go by napoleon law.. you are guilty, and that is a fact
[16:23:00] rjune: many states here in the US don't apply the death penalty because of so many wrongful convictions
[16:23:00] a1fa: Juski : you try to prove your inocence at the court of law
[16:24:00] a1fa: Juski : we dont try to prove you are guilty.. you have to prove you are innocent z:) but defacto guilty you are
[16:24:00] Juski: yeh but when they're found guilty sod all happens to them
[16:24:00] a1fa: i love napoleon (dynamite)
[16:24:00] Brov: AFTER she had given her evidence a NEW witness suddenly came forward who said he was the one who did it, jury got confused and they got let off
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[16:24:00] Juski: Brov – very sad
[16:24:00] Brov: THEN the judge said to the jury "thats a shame as one of tyhe defendants had TWO previous convistions for doing exactly the same thing!"
[16:24:00] a1fa: Brov : you take justice in your own hands then
[16:25:00] a1fa: Glock 17 is only $400
[16:25:00] a1fa: 9mm
[16:25:00] a1fa: aim high :P
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[16:25:00] a1fa: you cant miss
[16:25:00] Brov: we (but not the jusry) heard a whole list of violent offences they had done before as awell as drug dealing, robbery etc etc
[16:25:00] rjune: first off, an SKS is cheaper, and better suited to longer ranges, which means less likelyhood of getting caught
[16:25:00] Brov: the defense lawyers in the UK can get anyone OFF any crime and they do as they are totally corrupt
[16:26:00] rjune: second off. killing somebody is probably not something you wnat to do.
[16:26:00] ** Beirdo shoots rjune's mythbox with a 50cal **
[16:26:00] Beirdo: BLAM
[16:26:00] rjune: you got a 50cal?
[16:26:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:26:00] Beirdo: no
[16:26:00] Juski: can't learn their lesson if they're dead, right, rjune ;-)
[16:26:00] a1fa: i got a deagle
[16:26:00] caitlin: we also run the precedence system
[16:26:00] a1fa: gold plated deagle
[16:26:00] Beirdo: but think of the damage it would do to a computer
[16:26:00] rjune: heh
[16:26:00] caitlin: first conviction for a crime stands as teh benchmark
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[16:26:00] Beirdo: or an engine block
[16:27:00] nuxil: hi
[16:27:00] a1fa: you cant hide from a .50
[16:27:00] rjune: shove a potato up his tailpipe
[16:27:00] a1fa: that brick wall will not help
[16:27:00] rjune: I mean up his car's tailpipe
[16:27:00] caitlin: unless you fire it at the sky 'cause of the kick
[16:27:00] caitlin: i hate guns
[16:27:00] Brov: In U.S are previous convictions taken into account when on trial?
[16:27:00] rjune: not usually
[16:27:00] a1fa: yes they are
[16:27:00] rjune: but they are in conviction
[16:27:00] rjune: or sentancing
[16:27:00] a1fa: yes they are
[16:27:00] nuxil: is it posseble to set the audio cache for livetv ? cos im experianse some cut in the audio
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[16:27:00] Juski: they take previous into account & they get a lesser sentence here don;t they?
[16:27:00] a1fa: ok.. if you can prove that this person was a repeated fellon
[16:27:00] Brov: and is it really 3 strikes and you're locked up forever?
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[16:28:00] Brov: in UK they dont even mention the previous
[16:28:00] a1fa: 3 strickes and you are fucked in the fed pen
[16:28:00] a1fa: s/strickes/strikes/
[16:28:00] a1fa: you don't want to be in federal penetentary
[16:28:00] Juski: shariah law is good in that respect
[16:28:00] Brov: THOUGH there has been slight law change to permit previous to be said to the jusry in certain cases
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[16:28:00] a1fa: Juski : you rape my goat, i will rape yourd
[16:28:00] a1fa: Juski : you rape my goat, i will rape yours
[16:28:00] Juski: apart from all the praying...
[16:29:00] Juski: you steal a penny, I will chop your hand off :-)
[16:29:00] a1fa: chap-whack!@
[16:29:00] ** stuarta thinks everyone has gone raving mad. **
[16:29:00] nuxil: does anyone know
[16:29:00] ** a1fa turns up — Benny Bennassi **
[16:29:00] Brov: the law change in UK came after "Roy Whiting" served only 2 years for raping a 9 year old, when release he went on to kill a 6 year old. BUT the jury were not told of this, until AFTER the case, so they might have thought he was just some regular guy and let him go
[16:29:00] a1fa: :p
[16:29:00] Beirdo: oh, they have been there for a while, stuarta
[16:29:00] a1fa: i want your sex
[16:29:00] Juski: it's that crazy tuesday feeling
[16:30:00] a1fa: tada tada tada... ta ta.. tada tada.. tat ata ta ta
[16:30:00] a1fa: I hate mondays
[16:30:00] a1fa: i have a court date next monday
[16:30:00] Brov: yer what for?
[16:30:00] stuarta: Beirdo: I know :(
[16:30:00] a1fa: take a guess
[16:30:00] a1fa: :)
[16:30:00] Juski: benny bennassi ripping off george michael now? LOL
[16:30:00] a1fa: speeding
[16:30:00] Brov: oh yer u said
[16:30:00] a1fa: i was going 60 in a 45
[16:30:00] Beirdo: a1fa: reminds me of a line from Liar Liar
[16:30:00] Brov: is that in the U.S?
[16:30:00] a1fa: yes
[16:30:00] Beirdo: "stop breaking the law, A$$hole!"
[16:30:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:30:00] a1fa: hehe
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[16:31:00] a1fa: i dont break the law
[16:31:00] Beirdo: yes you do
[16:31:00] Beirdo: speeding is breaking the law
[16:31:00] a1fa: i think their design is flawed
[16:31:00] Beirdo: we all break the law
[16:31:00] Brov: I thought in U.S you just got fined and if you could afford to keep paying the fines you could just SPeeeeeeeed anytime
[16:31:00] a1fa: the street was designed to do 80mph
[16:31:00] a1fa: and they put a speed limit to 45mph
[16:31:00] a1fa: there is no body on the road
[16:31:00] a1fa: its flat
[16:31:00] a1fa: boring
[16:31:00] coffee88: "<a1fa> Juski : you rape my goat, i will rape yours" This is a very odd line to join the channel on!....
[16:31:00] a1fa: no intersections
[16:31:00] Beirdo: so the law is an ass
[16:31:00] Beirdo: it's still the law
[16:32:00] a1fa: it is my right to disobey the law if it is illogical
[16:32:00] Juski: coffee88: for the record, I didn't rape anybody's goat. it was consensual
[16:32:00] a1fa: non-the-fact, i will plead no-contest
[16:32:00] nuxil: ok since non of you are paying attantion i'll ask again
[16:32:00] Beirdo: heh, not really, but have fun
[16:32:00] nuxil: is it posseble to set the audio cache for livetv ? cos im experianse some cut in the audio
[16:32:00] a1fa: :PO
[16:32:00] a1fa: i am pleading no-contest.. please judge, forgive me
[16:32:00] Brov: so what happens in court do u just get fined? in UK u get 3 points for doing 31 in a 30 zone, once you have 12 points u r banned
[16:32:00] a1fa: it was late
[16:32:00] Beirdo: Brov: depends on the state
[16:32:00] a1fa: Brov : who cares.. then you drive w/o license
[16:32:00] nuxil: erm not set the.. but set a
[16:32:00] Beirdo: some are like that, some aren't
[16:32:00] a1fa: it would be cheaper anyway
[16:33:00] a1fa: no insurance, no license, no tags, no taxes
[16:33:00] a1fa: w00t!
[16:33:00] a1fa: you only have to pay for gas
[16:33:00] Brov: what happens if u get caught doing that?
[16:33:00] a1fa: you dont stop
[16:33:00] Beirdo: and for huge legal bills
[16:33:00] a1fa: you gunn it
[16:33:00] a1fa: Get 'R' DONE!
[16:33:00] Juski: nuxil: high CPU usage? you using a software encoder?
[16:33:00] nuxil: Juski no pvr 500
[16:33:00] Juski: select 'use aggressive audio bufferring'
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[16:33:00] Juski: tv playback setup screen I think
[16:33:00] ** Beirdo shakes his head. **
[16:34:00] Beirdo: not all Americans are that... crazy
[16:34:00] Beirdo: thankfully
[16:34:00] nuxil: Juski, ok ill se if i find it. thxz so far :)
[16:34:00] a1fa: shit, i dont have the balls not to stop
[16:34:00] Brov: check this guy in UK drove without license and killed a 3 year old gilr, hit n run and he got only 12 weeks in prison
[16:34:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i know a guy who drove 160mph on his Honda VTR
[16:34:00] a1fa: and got away from the 5–0
[16:34:00] a1fa: they cant follow you that fast
[16:34:00] Beirdo: sure they can
[16:34:00] a1fa: you endanger everybody
[16:34:00] Beirdo: planes
[16:34:00] a1fa: we dont have that in arkansas
[16:35:00] Beirdo: BFN
[16:35:00] a1fa: its only in metro that they have helicopter
[16:35:00] Beirdo: I was in Arkansas for all of 5 minutes :)
[16:35:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:35:00] a1fa: but not here in the boonies
[16:35:00] Beirdo: we turned the wrong way in Memphis and crossed the bridge
[16:35:00] a1fa: they dont chase a motorcycles
[16:35:00] Juski: jus' wait til you kill someone's kid. oh how they'll lurve you
[16:35:00] Beirdo: turned around and went right back
[16:35:00] rjune: a1fa: I thougth you were in the uk
[16:35:00] a1fa: rjune : no sir
[16:35:00] Brov: here's the mirror headline it was only last week: He'd never taken a driving test and had no insurance. He killed a 3-year-old girl while speeding and didn't even bother to stop. But he was jailed for JUST 12 WEEKS
[16:36:00] a1fa: wow
[16:36:00] a1fa: that shitty
[16:36:00] a1fa: if i was her dad
[16:36:00] a1fa: i would've killed him myself
[16:36:00] rjune: you would be going after him
[16:36:00] a1fa: yeah
[16:36:00] a1fa: but if you are speeding
[16:36:00] Brov: 12 weeks is quite long for murder in the UK, Normally you get an ASBO (antisocial behaviour order)
[16:36:00] a1fa: and they start chasing you for speeding
[16:36:00] Beirdo: a1fa: yeah, but yer a southern... never mind :)
[16:36:00] a1fa: they wont follow you
[16:36:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i am EURO
[16:36:00] ** Beirdo calls a1fa a Yankee **
[16:36:00] a1fa: wrong again :P
[16:36:00] rjune: he's southern
[16:36:00] Beirdo: exactly
[16:36:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:36:00] rjune: I'm more a yankee
[16:37:00] a1fa: I am from Bosnia
[16:37:00] a1fa: :P
[16:37:00] Juski: hmmm
[16:37:00] Beirdo: I take great pleasure calling my friend in TN a Yankee and hearing him sputter for a while :)
[16:37:00] Brov: i visited sarajevo soon after the war
[16:37:00] a1fa: Brov : its nice?
[16:37:00] Beirdo: nothing pisses off a southerner quite like being called a Yankee
[16:37:00] Beirdo: ;)
[16:37:00] a1fa: Brov : did you eat cevapi?
[16:37:00] rjune: Beirdo: no shit
[16:38:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: true
[16:38:00] a1fa: and burek?
[16:38:00] Brov: yer girls v pretty and well dressed
[16:38:00] a1fa: yes.. they take care of themselves
[16:38:00] Beirdo: but it's SO fun
[16:38:00] rjune: damn frog
[16:38:00] a1fa: Brov : the reason why.. there is more women then men.. so there is competition
[16:38:00] Brov: it was after yugo war but b4 kosovo
[16:38:00] a1fa: Brov : cevapi and burek are my favorite ;P
[16:38:00] Brov: um what did i eat
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[16:39:00] ** coffee88 wonders if this is a good time to seek confirmation that mythweb 19 works just fine with php5, or if it's a bit OT? **
[16:39:00] a1fa: i cant wait to go home
[16:39:00] rjune: so I should move to bosnia and start a harem?
[16:39:00] a1fa: :(
[16:39:00] Brov: i cant remember to be honest
[16:39:00] a1fa: i havent been home for 2 years
[16:39:00] Beirdo: coffee88: you dare be on topic :)
[16:39:00] a1fa: :P
[16:39:00] Brov: so did u leave and move to U.S cos of war
[16:39:00] Beirdo: never used PHP5, so I couldn't confirm, sorry
[16:39:00] a1fa: Brov : employment/school
[16:39:00] coffee88: Just wondering if it was ok to be....
[16:39:00] rjune: up here in IN, if you don't pull over the cops will follow you.
[16:40:00] ** Cardoe waves his new PVR-500 around **
[16:40:00] nuxil: Juski, thxz it helped,, no more cut in the audio while i watch tv :)
[16:40:00] rjune: and they *will* radio ahead
[16:40:00] a1fa: rjune : not if you are on a bike
[16:40:00] Brov: I went to yugo before war as well
[16:40:00] a1fa: and if you are going faster than a 100
[16:40:00] a1fa: Brov : the sea side?
[16:40:00] Brov: well i travelled around a bit
[16:40:00] a1fa: nice
[16:40:00] rjune: sure they will.
[16:40:00] Brov: just croatia i think
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[16:41:00] a1fa: yeah.. croatia is nice
[16:41:00] a1fa: 1/4th of the population is fucked up tho
[16:41:00] Brov: split, dubrovnik, zagreb
[16:41:00] a1fa: very nationalistic
[16:41:00] Beirdo: a1fa: you can say that for the whole world
[16:41:00] a1fa: dubrovnik > *
[16:41:00] a1fa: Beirdo : yeah!
[16:41:00] Brov: i wnet about 1 year before war began
[16:41:00] ** coffee88 figures it was a bad time after all.... **
[16:41:00] Brov: everyone seemed really nice
[16:41:00] a1fa: 1989?
[16:41:00] a1fa: to you
[16:41:00] Brov: yer
[16:41:00] a1fa: but not to us neighbours
[16:41:00] Beirdo: coffee88: wait about 30 more minutes for xris to get to work
[16:42:00] Beirdo: he'd likely know better than most of us fools
[16:42:00] Brov: do u classify as serb/croat/muslim
[16:42:00] Juski: nuxil: np.. trying to get sane now
[16:42:00] a1fa: neither
[16:42:00] a1fa: :P
[16:42:00] coffee88: Beirdo: Suits me. That's about how long apache and pho will take to rebuild anyway....
[16:42:00] a1fa: I want to be anonymous
[16:42:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:42:00] a1fa: hahahaha
[16:42:00] Brov: did u grow up in bosnia
[16:42:00] a1fa: yup
[16:43:00] a1fa: i moved out when i turned 17
[16:43:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/576871
[16:43:00] Beirdo: Brov: you're assuming he grew up
[16:43:00] a1fa: i've been traveling the world sicne
[16:43:00] Juski: lesson for the century – don't wear your religion on your sleeve ;-)
[16:43:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i am 23 now
[16:43:00] nuxil: Juski :) heh yea i'll
[16:43:00] a1fa: i hate religion
[16:43:00] Cardoe: in fact... anyone... http://pastebin.com/576871
[16:43:00] Beirdo: heh, age has nothing to do with it
[16:43:00] a1fa: its stupid and pointless :P
[16:43:00] Brov: so u lived thru the war in bosnia then crikey!
[16:43:00] a1fa: yup
[16:43:00] Beirdo: Cardoe: not sure, dude
[16:44:00] Beirdo: I use 0.2.something of ivtv
[16:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:44:00] Brov: It must put in perpective the patheticness of our 'free' liberal societies that just help crims and screw everyone else
[16:44:00] a1fa: i hate liberals
[16:45:00] a1fa: and i hate radicals
[16:45:00] a1fa: and i hate conservative people
[16:45:00] a1fa: lets all be neutral
[16:45:00] Brov: yer when i visited sarajevo it really changed me
[16:45:00] a1fa: man.. they had it the worse
[16:45:00] a1fa: they shot them with granades and snipers
[16:45:00] rjune: hate isn't neutral
[16:45:00] a1fa: the place i lived at only got bombarded
[16:45:00] Brov: cos correct me if I'm wrong, but it was the liberal pathetic euro policies that enabled the violence to carry on for so long and it was the yanks arming the other side that ended it all
[16:46:00] a1fa: i think, we need to focus more on the economy
[16:47:00] a1fa: of the entire world
[16:47:00] a1fa: so we can all enjoy prosperity and peace
[16:47:00] Brov: it showed me a CND flag doesn't actually stop someone who's out to slaughter people, only a bullet will stop evil people
[16:47:00] a1fa: i think arabs need to chill out
[16:47:00] a1fa: us needs to back off their tail
[16:47:00] scopeuk: Brov ive noticed acorrolation te more police officers i personaly know the less i want to have them armed
[16:47:00] a1fa: and i also think they should sell us that goddam oil for $0.5/gal
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[16:48:00] a1fa: i like cheap oil
[16:48:00] Brov: at the end of the day, violence IS the only thing that will stop mad violent people who you cannot reason with
[16:48:00] a1fa: so we can polute more of the earth
[16:48:00] a1fa: who cares about the people that will use it after us
[16:48:00] a1fa: right?
[16:48:00] Juski: well, if you die before me, yeh I care
[16:49:00] a1fa: i was sarcastic ;P
[16:49:00] Chutt: cut the political crap in here.
[16:49:00] a1fa: Chutt : viva la revolution.. down with the dick-"tater!"
[16:49:00] a1fa: ok.. back to work :P
[16:49:00] a1fa: all joking a side
[16:50:00] ** a1fa benny bennassi **
[16:50:00] Brov: I think U.S got it wrong by trying to win the P.R war in Iraq, they should have just imposed martial law, kicked journo's out and fought a proper war not some P.C softly softly nonsense, either that or not gone in
[16:51:00] Brov: anyway i must away, nice chatting
[16:51:00] dtm: Brov: you must be thinking of the first iraqi war
[16:51:00] a1fa: most def
[16:51:00] Juski: join #mythtv-users
[16:52:00] dtm: Juski: why hello there!
[16:52:00] Juski: hello.. got held up in some politics channel there.. phew
[16:54:00] dtm: welcome back, then
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[17:00:00] scopeuk: :D
[17:04:00] a1fa: pvrusb
[17:04:00] a1fa: A Linux driver for the WinTV PVR USB (USB MPEG2 encoder).
[17:04:00] a1fa: wooot
[17:04:00] a1fa: :P
[17:04:00] a1fa: omfg
[17:04:00] a1fa: xbox_wintv_usb anyone?
[17:04:00] scopeuk: er no
[17:04:00] scopeuk: does itrequire usb 2 by any chance?
[17:04:00] a1fa: d0nt kn0w
[17:05:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: you know the MythTV 0.19 protocol version #?
[17:05:00] sphing: 26
[17:05:00] Beirdo: not off hand, sorry
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[17:05:00] coffee88: I just can't believe after all the horror stories, and after following the guides carefully letter by letter...
[17:05:00] sphing: i'm fairly certain its 26
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[17:05:00] Cardoe: sphenxes: thx
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[17:06:00] coffee88: how completely borked my gentoo apache upgrade has gotten.
[17:07:00] coffee88: xris: I hear you're the man to put my mind at rest that mythweb plays nice with php5?
[17:07:00] a1fa: gentoo <<<<<<<< debian
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[17:08:00] scopeuk: a1fa dont go there its not worth it
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[17:08:00] coffee88: I'm leaving that one alone...
[17:08:00] a1fa: scopeuk : i hate you, remotely
[17:09:00] a1fa: later guys
[17:09:00] a1fa: need to take that case back
[17:09:00] scopeuk: not to say weather i agree or not i personaly use debian but its a debate that never ends
[17:09:00] scopeuk: every tim it comes up god kills a kitten
[17:09:00] scopeuk: please think of the kittens
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[17:14:00] bob832: does the hardware decoder in the PVR350 have anything to do with picture quality or is it just a performance enhancer?
[17:16:00] Juski: coffee88: this is gonna sound weird, but when I ended up with a new php & apache on gentoo a while back (not on my current backend) I had to add more entropy to get php to work
[17:17:00] Juski: bob832: pvr350 has an actuall mpeg2 decoder
[17:17:00] coffee88: Say what!?
[17:17:00] Juski: coffee88: random number generator
[17:17:00] Juski: ummm what was it called...
[17:18:00] Juski: looking
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[17:19:00] bob832: so the decoder just takes the work load off of the cpu?
[17:19:00] sphing: yes
[17:19:00] Juski: bob832: yeh – like a lot of load... and it has a proper PAL/NTSC TV encoder
[17:20:00] coffee88: yay! It's snowing here finally!
[17:20:00] coffee88: But the sky is blue?!
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[17:21:00] scopeuk: coffee88 sub freezing high atmospher conditions causing water to crysalise into snow flakes
[17:21:00] scopeuk: heh jsuta guess
[17:21:00] Juski: coffee88: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Apache2_Install – seen that?
[17:22:00] Juski: they mention how to fix a lack of entropy
[17:23:00] coffee88: Juski: cool. I'll see how I go. I seem to have a basic server working, and serving a pho page, but I can't find mod env for mythwen in the new config....
[17:23:00] coffee88: *phP
[17:24:00] Juski: I know where it used to be, cos I'm still running the older version of apache2
[17:24:00] Juski: but I can tell you it's in the _standard_ place now ;-)
[17:26:00] coffee88: Don't upgrade! It's not worth it!!!
[17:26:00] Juski: I know! not if I can help it :-)
[17:26:00] xris: coffee88: huh? mod_env should be right in the main config — afaik it's built into apache's default install
[17:26:00] coffee88: It's there, and seeming active, but I get errors in mythweb... Database setup errors...
[17:27:00] xris: coffee88: what errors?
[17:27:00] coffee88: The database environment variables are not correctly set in the
[17:27:00] coffee88: included .htaccess file
[17:27:00] Juski: easy
[17:27:00] coffee88: But I havent changed anything from when it used to work?
[17:27:00] xris: coffee88: you sure it's mod_env and not that other mod_env_somethingelse ?
[17:27:00] Juski: edit the .htaccess file & look for the DB variables
[17:27:00] coffee88: just upgraded apache and php....
[17:28:00] xris: and that AllowOverride is configured properly?
[17:28:00] coffee88: xris: That could be it....
[17:28:00] djohnson: I have a different MythWeb problem :(
[17:28:00] Juski: ah so you already had 0.19 mythweb working before upgrading apache2?
[17:28:00] xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . DME?rev=9205
[17:29:00] djohnson: I get this error in my apache log
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[17:29:00] coffee88: Yeah, it was all great....
[17:29:00] xris: I made some changes to the readme after so many people had trouble figuring out how to do AllowOverride properly
[17:30:00] djohnson: [client 10.1.1.1] PHP Fatal error: main() [<a href='function.require'>function.require</a>]: Failed opening required 'config/conf.php' (include_path='/usr/share/php5') in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 59
[17:30:00] djohnson: But it comes after this:
[17:30:00] djohnson: [client 10.1.1.1] PHP Notice: Undefined index: PATH_INFO in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 37
[17:30:00] djohnson: anybody have any thoughts?
[17:31:00] xris: djohnson: the notice can be ignored, it's just a notice
[17:32:00] xris: for some reason your php installation isn't updating the include path properly (which init.php does)
[17:32:00] djohnson: OK, but shouldn't matter?
[17:32:00] coffee88: Pefect! It was the dir overrides... Thanks guys.
[17:32:00] xris: the notice is fine. everyone gets it
[17:32:00] djohnson: the config/conf.php is readable, and I went through and checked the lines that needed checking
[17:32:00] xris: coffee88: you and 90% of people who don't read the entire httpd.conf file
[17:33:00] xris: djohnson: yeah, it's like php isn't adding the extra include paths I tell it to
[17:33:00] coffee88: xris: I try! But I get crosseyed...
[17:34:00] coffee88: Now I just have to turn off all the other default modules I don't want while not borking things again...
[17:34:00] coffee88: Oh, and check ssl access...
[17:34:00] djohnson: xris: OK, but what about the other line? Failed opening
[17:34:00] xris: coffee88: well, there's a reason that I updated the readme. and at least atrpms will be adding that little directory config to a special file at conf.d/mythweb.conf so people who use that repo won't run into issues
[17:34:00] xris: djohnson: that's the one I'm talking about.
[17:34:00] xris: your include path has ONE path in it... should be at least 3, since I add 2 more in init.php
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[17:35:00] coffee88: xris: I think it was just that I upgraded that got me. I obviously got it right somehow the first time...
[17:35:00] djohnson: xris: Ah, I thought you meant the PATH_INFO one
[17:36:00] djohnson: But it fails there, and nothing shows up when I try to view the web?
[17:36:00] xris: djohnson: ok, for some reason it's NOT altering the includes path where I thought it did. will look it up.
[17:36:00] djohnson: xris: thank you!
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[17:37:00] xris: ok, it's at the top of mythweb.php. that makes sense.
[17:37:00] xris: oh, geesch, I bet I know what it is.
[17:37:00] xris: djohnson: are you running .19 or .19-fixes?
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[17:38:00] xris: either way... paste this at the top of mythweb.php, just underneath the main comment: http://pastebin.ca/43618
[17:38:00] xris: let me know if that helps.
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[17:39:00] djohnson: OK, doing it now....
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[17:39:00] Cardoe: anyone use xbmcmythtv?
[17:41:00] Juski: Cardoe: yup
[17:41:00] Cardoe: Juski: against 0.19?
[17:41:00] djohnson: xris: No luck, the same error appears in error_log.
[17:41:00] Juski: not since upgrading, but I will be trying it
[17:41:00] Cardoe: Juski: I just installed it
[17:41:00] djohnson: I'm running 0.19 I believe, I just downloaded the .19 tarball this weekend and compiled from source
[17:41:00] Cardoe: I get mysql errors
[17:41:00] Cardoe: it connects to mythtv though :(
[17:41:00] Juski: hmmm
[17:42:00] Cardoe: and I had to use CVS
[17:42:00] Juski: mythlink & the likes still work, so I'd imagine xbmcmyth would
[17:42:00] Juski: I'll have a play when I get home
[17:42:00] Cardoe: lemme know
[17:42:00] Cardoe: what's mythlink?
[17:42:00] Juski: will do
[17:42:00] Juski: mythlink spits out a bunch of friendly-named symlinks to recorded files
[17:42:00] Cardoe: oh
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[17:45:00] xris: Juski: mythlink is gone
[17:45:00] xris: djohnson: anything weird about your mythweb setup? aliases/etc?
[17:46:00] Juski: xris: not gone from my machine, and it works in 0.19 – I'm happy enough not to rename all my recordings
[17:46:00] xris: Juski: mythrename has --link
[17:46:00] Juski: oh
[17:46:00] xris: and works much better than mythlink ever did
[17:46:00] xris: grab from svn, though.. added a few new features like subdirectories
[17:46:00] Juski: mythlink seems to be just dandy to my eyes
[17:47:00] djohnson: xris: not that I know of... I used the readme to go through and check configs.
[17:47:00] xris: djohnson: what distro?
[17:47:00] djohnson: Set the permissions according
[17:47:00] djohnson: Suse 10.0
[17:47:00] xris: installed from rpm? src?
[17:47:00] djohnson: src
[17:48:00] djohnson: while there isn't anything to compile for mythweb, I had still run a ./configure && make && make install from the mythplugins dir
[17:48:00] xris: heh. didn't know it installed mythweb like that
[17:48:00] djohnson: Then I went to mythweb/ cp -R . /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb
[17:48:00] Chutt: it doesn't
[17:48:00] xris: anyway, all of the files are in one directory somewhere under /var/www/wherever?
[17:48:00] djohnson: It doesn't, it just compiles some of the other plugins
[17:49:00] djohnson: Yup.... /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb And they're all there
[17:49:00] djohnson: Made mythweb/data writeable by the apache user
[17:49:00] xris: djohnson: ok, then that's not too weird.
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[17:49:00] djohnson: Didn't seem to weird :(
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[17:50:00] xris: djohnson: at the top of mythweb, put: echo ini_get('include_path');exit;
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[18:02:00] Tommck: I upgraded to 0.19 yesterday and tried to use the internal dvd player and it tells me that it can't open /dev/dvd. If I do an "ls" in the mounted directory, I can see that the DVD is readable. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this is happening?
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[18:14:00] coffee88: How hard is it to add searches to mythweb to pull up, say, all upcoming documentaries?
[18:14:00] Dibblah: Tommck: Do you actually have a /dev/dvd?
[18:14:00] Tommck: yes
[18:14:00] Dibblah: And is your DVD drive actually attached to the device that symlink points to?
[18:14:00] Tommck: Dibblah – I can mount it and list its contents
[18:15:00] Tommck: yes
[18:15:00] Dibblah: Device doesn't need to be mounted. Don't think that'd affect things.
[18:15:00] xris: coffee88: conf/searches.php
[18:15:00] Dibblah: Are you using a precompiled package?
[18:15:00] Tommck: I've tried it both ways anyway
[18:15:00] xris: if you add some nice ones, I'm more than happy to add them to the code.
[18:15:00] Tommck: Dibblah – for Myth? no
[18:15:00] Dibblah: Cool. What does configure say?
[18:15:00] Tommck: what do you mean?
[18:15:00] coffee88: xris: ta. I'll see how I go and let you know...
[18:16:00] Dibblah: DVD Navigation support, I think it's called.
[18:16:00] Tommck: where?
[18:16:00] Dibblah: When you run configure
[18:16:00] Tommck: which configure? myhtv? mythplugins?
[18:16:00] Dibblah: mythtv
[18:17:00] Tommck: is there an output file I can check?
[18:17:00] Tommck: I ran it with a bunch of command line options
[18:18:00] Tommck: if I just run "./configure", it says: DVD playback "yes"
[18:19:00] Dibblah: Okay.
[18:19:00] Dibblah: Do you have mplayer installed?
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[18:19:00] Tommck: I'm using "internal" for the setting
[18:19:00] Tommck: yes, mplayer is installed
[18:19:00] Dibblah: mplayer /dev/dvd
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[18:20:00] Tommck: well, it started fine, but had a problem with the audio codec... (I never use MPlayer)
[18:21:00] Tommck: ogle works fine
[18:21:00] gremlin484: Anyone know if Mythtranscode will offer support for anything other than mpeg4 or rtjpeg?
[18:21:00] Dibblah: Do you use an automounter, etc? Is it possible something's already grabbed the device?
[18:22:00] Tommck: Dibblah – it's not mounted (i.e. "mount" doesn't show it mounted)
[18:22:00] Tommck: I have automounting off
[18:23:00] Dibblah: What does mythtv /dev/dvd
[18:23:00] Dibblah: do?
[18:23:00] Tommck: huh? is mythtv and executable ?
[18:23:00] Dibblah: Yup.
[18:24:00] Tommck: oh.. weird.. what's it do?
[18:24:00] Dibblah: It doesn't do anything useful. It's for testing.
[18:24:00] Tommck: hmm... it tried...
[18:24:00] Dibblah: Launches the internal player. Defaults to livetv with no file specified.
[18:24:00] Tommck: coudlnt' find a matching devoder for /dev/dvd
[18:25:00] Dibblah: Are you using a "real" DVD?
[18:25:00] Tommck: yes
[18:25:00] Dibblah: And libdvdnav has support for decss?
[18:25:00] Tommck: yes... because I can play it with ogle
[18:26:00] Dibblah: Does ogle use libdvdnav?
[18:26:00] Tommck: as far as I know... what else would it use?
[18:26:00] Dibblah: ldd `which ogle`
[18:27:00] Beirdo: oh wow, I sense brain cells at work :)
[18:27:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:27:00] Dibblah: Cmon... Put me out of my mystery ;)
[18:27:00] Tommck: not a dynamic executable
[18:27:00] Dibblah: Um... What?
[18:27:00] Beirdo: check if it's a wrapper script
[18:27:00] Beirdo: it likely is
[18:27:00] Tommck: that's what it returned
[18:28:00] Dibblah: Good plan :)
[18:28:00] Dibblah: file `which ogle`
[18:28:00] Tommck: script :)
[18:28:00] Beirdo: right :)
[18:28:00] Beirdo: ldd the binary it calls :)
[18:29:00] Tommck: it's a 10K script :)
[18:30:00] Dibblah: cat `which ogle` |xargs -n 1 ldd
[18:30:00] Dibblah: ;)
[18:30:00] Dibblah: Don't do that, obviously.
[18:31:00] Tommck: hmm... interesting
[18:31:00] Tommck: no libdvdnav in there... o
[18:31:00] Tommck: I could have sworn it used hit.
[18:31:00] Tommck: how's it decoding?
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[18:33:00] Dibblah: libdvdcss, I think.
[18:33:00] Tommck: that's not in the list either
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[18:34:00] Tommck: there is libdvdread
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[18:35:00] Tommck: libdvdcontrol
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[18:37:00] Tommck: hmm... I was looking forward to using the internal player... guess I need to install a new version of libdvdnav?
[18:37:00] Tommck: (there is an existing version
[18:39:00] akira: does anybody have a Hauppauge WinTV DVB-C?
[18:39:00] ** Tommck wonders where Dibblah went **
[18:40:00] bob832: are there any motherboard chipsets i should stay away from?
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[18:42:00] Juski: bob832: some people slate Via all the time but I never had any issues
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[18:43:00] bob832: hmm, ok, thanks
[18:43:00] Juski: stay with only mobo manufacturers you've heard good things about though ;-) (so no PC-CHIPs for you)
[18:43:00] Juski: anyway – hometime
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[18:44:00] Dibblah: Sorry – Doing other stuff.
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[18:45:00] Tommck: Dibblah – no problem. You think I need to replace my libdvdnav?
[18:45:00] Dibblah: Yes, try and find out where your libdvdnav comes from. And get it to install with css support.
[18:45:00] Dibblah: decss
[18:45:00] Tommck: will do
[18:45:00] Dibblah: - I think :)
[18:45:00] Tommck: :)
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[19:12:00] a1fa: i am back
[19:12:00] a1fa: I got a new case
[19:12:00] a1fa: all black :P
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[19:21:00] Beirdo: congrats
[19:21:00] Beirdo: we all know that the color of the case is the most important thing
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[19:24:00] xris: mac mini mythfrontend is going to get a boost from the new x86 mini's
[19:24:00] a1fa: yes siiiiiiir
[19:25:00] xris: Beirdo: my new case is all black.  :) makes the computer faster, it does.
[19:25:00] a1fa: no
[19:25:00] a1fa: xris : makes it stealth
[19:25:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:25:00] a1fa: mine goes invisible
[19:25:00] a1fa: kaboom!
[19:28:00] xris: a1fa: mine would be almost completely silent if it wasn't for the video card.
[19:28:00] Beirdo: I like my Antec Sonatas
[19:28:00] Beirdo: nearly completely silent
[19:28:00] Beirdo: and just happen to be black :)
[19:29:00] xris: Beirdo: btx is nice.  :)
[19:29:00] xris: except for my whiny 6800gt
[19:29:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:30:00] xris: will likely get a zalman heatsink for the video card at some point...
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[19:47:00] bird603568: will a 8mb cache harddrive be noticable better than a 2mb one?
[19:47:00] rsquared: probably
[19:47:00] rsquared: man.. so i figured out part of my issue w/capturing SD via my dct6200's firewire
[19:47:00] rsquared: well.. capturing's not an issue
[19:48:00] rsquared: it's myth's playback ability
[19:48:00] rsquared: since mplayer plays the files back just fine
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[20:00:00] rtsai1111: what will you do if the last 20% has exceptions and other C++ crap?
[20:00:00] rtsai1111: oops
[20:01:00] ** Dibblah **
[20:01:00] Tommck: that's not that bad
[20:01:00] Dibblah: Anyone played with X and software suspend?
[20:02:00] Beirdo: X, yes.
[20:02:00] Beirdo: software suspend, no
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[20:02:00] Dibblah: Sorta need both together to save power the easy way :)
[20:03:00] bird603568: so i have a 20 gig hdd already so you are telling me go with a 8mb cache hard drive? is 80 gigs a good size?
[20:03:00] Beirdo: you'll fill 80G quite quickly if you are like most of us
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[20:05:00] Tommck: if you use HD, get about 1500GB :)
[20:05:00] rsquared: so... does myth use an internal player for live tv?
[20:05:00] m1k3: 250gb works well for my SD setup
[20:05:00] Dibblah: Heh. 208 programs, using 266 GB (200 hrs 9 mins) out of 1.3 TB (617 GB free).
[20:06:00] Dibblah: Sorta explains the electricity bill, really.
[20:06:00] rsquared: i've got like 4 shows recorded and i'm using 41G
[20:06:00] rsquared: HD uses an assload of space
[20:06:00] ** Dibblah doesn't have access to HD yet. **
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[20:06:00] Dibblah: Metric or imperial?
[20:06:00] rsquared: so... yeah... can anyone give me a hand w/this?
[20:06:00] rsquared: since it's driving me nuts
[20:07:00] Dibblah: Internal.
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: rsquared: Yes, it has it's own internl\al player
[20:07:00] rsquared: is there anywhere to set how it plays back?
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: Which you can also use with MythVideo if you want
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: how to set what ?
[20:07:00] rsquared: well.... check it out... I watch livetv...
[20:07:00] rsquared: if it's an HD channel, it plays fine
[20:08:00] rsquared: if it's an SD channel coming off my HD box, it stutters like crazy
[20:08:00] rsquared: also does it if i watch recordings
[20:08:00] rsquared: but the file plays fine in mplayer
[20:08:00] Dibblah: Unusual. Which version of Myth?
[20:08:00] rsquared: 0.19
[20:08:00] rsquared: running gentoo
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[20:08:00] Dibblah: Accessing recordings on the same machine?
[20:08:00] rsquared: Latest version installed: 0.19_p9163
[20:08:00] rsquared: yup
[20:08:00] Dibblah: Local hard disk?
[20:08:00] rsquared: yup
[20:09:00] rsquared: sata2
[20:09:00] dev-: hd plays fine, but sd stuffers. hrm
[20:09:00] rsquared: dual core 64 bit Pentium D 630
[20:09:00] rsquared: yeah... it's weird
[20:09:00] rsquared: 1GB ram
[20:09:00] Dibblah: Do you have HT enabled?
[20:09:00] rsquared: yeah
[20:09:00] Dibblah: Disable it.
[20:09:00] rsquared: well... i'm running an smp kernel
[20:10:00] dev-: why would disabling hyperthreading do anything?
[20:10:00] Dibblah: HT is overhyped... Well. Try turning it off.
[20:10:00] rsquared: i'm not 100% sure I can
[20:10:00] rsquared: since it's dual core
[20:10:00] rsquared: not HT
[20:10:00] Dibblah: You don't see 4 processors?
[20:10:00] rsquared: nope
[20:10:00] Dibblah: Okay. Not that, then.
[20:10:00] rsquared: and i'm not running a 64 bit distro
[20:11:00] Dibblah: dev-: Seen similar issues before, with sata and specific drivers.
[20:11:00] rsquared: but.... the weird thing is.. how can it play fine in mplayer?
[20:11:00] rsquared: but not myth
[20:11:00] rsquared: and HD works
[20:11:00] rsquared: since both HD and SD come from the same input source
[20:11:00] Dibblah: What does top show?
[20:11:00] rsquared: can't tell you right now... I'm at work
[20:12:00] rsquared: but it's not bad
[20:12:00] Dibblah: how much CPU usage...
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[20:12:00] rsquared: around 30%
[20:12:00] dev-: hd uses a heck of alot more cpu than sd does anyway
[20:12:00] rsquared: yeah exactly
[20:12:00] rsquared: that's why it's confusing the hell out of me
[20:12:00] Dibblah: Should do. Wierd inverted problems :)
[20:12:00] rsquared: yeah... well.. the file sizes are the same for both HD and SD when doing FW capture
[20:12:00] rsquared: since they're both raw mpeg2 streams
[20:13:00] Dibblah: What's your native display resolution?
[20:13:00] rsquared: 720p
[20:13:00] Dibblah: And what are you outputting to?
[20:13:00] rsquared: i've got a geforce 6800xt pciE dvi->HDMI
[20:13:00] Dibblah: Latest NVidia drivers?
[20:13:00] rsquared: to a 34" widescreen sony HD
[20:13:00] rsquared: yup
[20:14:00] Dibblah: If so, step the drivers back.
[20:14:00] rsquared: 1.0.8178-r3
[20:14:00] rsquared: i guess i can try that out
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: try going back to 7676
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: Or disable OpenGL Vsync in the frontend
[20:15:00] GreyFoxx: see if your problem goes away
[20:15:00] rsquared: i think I tried that
[20:15:00] rsquared: but i'm not sure
[20:15:00] Dibblah: Problem there may be that it's a fairly recent card :(
[20:15:00] rsquared: haha
[20:15:00] rsquared: well.. my mobo has no agp slots
[20:15:00] Dibblah: So you can't step back too far.
[20:15:00] GreyFoxx: I'd try turning off the GLVsync option, just to be positive
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[20:15:00] rsquared: and there's no way in hell i'm gonna power up my old box
[20:16:00] rsquared: http://russ.angrypacket.com/gallery/2006-01-20-nooblet/dsc00755
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[20:18:00] rsquared: that's the gist of my setup
[20:19:00] a1fa: messy
[20:19:00] rsquared: haha.. that was the day after i bought all the parts
[20:19:00] rsquared: my living room was a disaster
[20:19:00] a1fa: i see you are using windows
[20:19:00] a1fa: gr0ss!
[20:19:00] rsquared: uhh.. where?
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[20:20:00] rsquared: i see no windows
[20:20:00] a1fa: :P
[20:20:00] a1fa: dont lie to me
[20:20:00] a1fa: :P
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[20:20:00] rsquared: lol... seriously... i don't run windows on anything except one of my work machines so i can connect to our exchange server properly
[20:20:00] rsquared: and on my phone
[20:20:00] rsquared: but i have no choice on that one
[20:23:00] rsquared: actually.. i wonder if i'm running the nvidia opengl
[20:23:00] rsquared: ok.. i am
[20:23:00] rsquared: good
[20:35:00] a1fa: woot
[20:35:00] a1fa: i feel good.. tana nna nana
[20:35:00] a1fa: so w00t... omfg
[20:35:00] a1fa: sooo w00t
[20:35:00] a1fa: yeaahh i feel g00d
[20:38:00] rsquared: heh
[20:38:00] rsquared: oh yeah?
[20:38:00] rsquared: well......
[20:38:00] rsquared: .......................
[20:38:00] lars-ut-away is now known as lars-ut
[20:38:00] rsquared: ....... i got out of jury duty this morning
[20:38:00] rsquared: so take that!
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[20:44:00] a1fa: nice
[20:44:00] a1fa: thats a good day
[20:44:00] a1fa: i am privileged not to go to jury duty
[20:46:00] bird603568: well after i recford the show im not going to keep it on my drive and if im going to keep it im going to burn it to a dvd also im trying to keep it under 400$
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[20:48:00] bird603568: because i need a sound card more ram a dvd drive a graphics card and a tv tuner
[20:48:00] bird603568: but i really want a pvr350 because im rocking a p3
[20:49:00] Niklas_E: is it common that you can scan for channels and find the dvb channels, but not be able to tune them in?
[20:51:00] bird603568: also is 512 enough ram or can i get away with 256mb if i have a hardware encoder?
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: People run frontends on a xbox's with 64meg of ram, so 256 should be fine :)
[20:52:00] meushi: ditto
[20:52:00] bird603568: well it will be all in 1 box
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: Should be fine
[20:52:00] rsquared: i should sell my old box
[20:52:00] rsquared: pay some bills
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: personally I find ram so cheap now than I wont even look at anything less than 512 now
[20:53:00] rsquared: seriously
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: at least not when I have to buy it
[20:53:00] Criggie: I just pull ram from my shitpile
[20:53:00] Criggie: I tend to save stuff.
[20:53:00] rsquared: yeah.. same
[20:53:00] bird603568: well it has 128mb and im getting a free 128mb stick
[20:53:00] rsquared: but unfortunately, it's not worth keeping some of it
[20:53:00] Dibblah: I used to... When I was single.
[20:53:00] Criggie: I happened to have 2x512 Mb sdram waiting around when I scored an imac with 64 Mb. Loved it.
[20:54:00] rsquared: i'm over having old computer hardware sitting around
[20:54:00] rsquared: i have like 2 servers and 3 cases in my garage
[20:54:00] bird603568: well its not that old
[20:54:00] rsquared: and no room to park
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: I got rid of most of my old stuff
[20:54:00] bird603568: its a p3933mhz with 256mb of ram
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: still have some laying awround, but it was getting to be too much :)
[20:55:00] meushi: bird603568: forget about transcoding on that one, believe me
[20:55:00] ** rsquared agrees **
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[20:55:00] bird603568: i had a 166 but i tossed taht shit
[20:55:00] bird603568: meushi, even with a pvr350?
[20:55:00] rsquared: anything that won't work in a p4+ i put on craigslist
[20:55:00] meushi: bird603568: pvr350 won't help when transcoding
[20:55:00] Dibblah: I have a Celery 300 that's so _almost_ working as a frontend...
[20:55:00] meushi: bird603568: for recording and watching, you won't have any problems
[20:56:00] Dibblah: Works on some channels.
[20:56:00] meushi: bird603568: my current backend (which was also a front before) is a cely 667 pushed to 830 with a pvr250 and an old nvidia...
[20:56:00] Dibblah: Can't overclock – It's a laptop.
[20:56:00] meushi: bird603568: recording/flagging/playback is OKish
[20:56:00] bird603568: well im getting a fx5200 and a pvr350
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[20:57:00] meushi: bird603568: transcoding 45 minutes from full PAL 8mbps to xvid takes a bit more than 19h
[20:57:00] bird603568: and doesnt the pvr350 convert it to mpeg2 by default?
[20:57:00] meushi: it does, but it takes so much space
[20:57:00] RaYmAn-Bx: anyone have a recommendation for a motherboard/cpu combo for mythtv that's low-power and silent..Preferably microAtx? :) (and has a PCI port for my PVR500)
[20:58:00] bird603568: so your saying save my money and just make it a file server?
[20:58:00] meushi: if you have boatloads of disks, you can use it... recycle recordings often
[20:58:00] bird603568: all im going to do is use it to watch live tv and record a sports gmaes when im gone
[20:58:00] otwin: bird603568: why not get a pvr-150 instead of 350. you can use tv-out of your nvidia.
[20:59:00] meushi: oh, should be OKish then... as long as you don't intend to keep a lot of recordings
[20:59:00] bird603568: im going to a crt monitor
[20:59:00] bird603568: i have no TV
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[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: A 350 wont help you then
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: since the decoder ONLY goes to the tvout of the card
[20:59:00] bird603568: really?
[20:59:00] meushi: a 150 and an old nvidia will be enough
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: go with a 150 and a regular nvidia card
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: the nvidia card can be used to help decode and will be able to output to the monitor
[21:00:00] bird603568: so a hardware encoder it pointless because im optputting to a monitor?
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: no
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: We're currently speaking about the DECODER
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: hardware encoding is what you want
[21:01:00] meushi: the encoder is still useful, thus the 150 (encoder) instead of 350 (encoder/decoder)
[21:01:00] bird603568: does the 150 have dual in?
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: You cannot use the decoder on the 350 to output to a monitor
[21:01:00] bird603568: because durring football season i want to do picture in picute
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: bird no, the 500 does
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: well the 500 is 2 150's
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: a 150 with 2 coax connectors is 1 for the tuner, and 1 for fm radio
[21:03:00] bird603568: well the 500 is cheaper than the 350
[21:03:00] bird603568: but its out of stock
[21:04:00] bird603568: also can i use a 5.1 card and not use the pvr's sound out?
[21:04:00] bird603568: because i have 5.1 speakers
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[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: Well, only the 350 has audio output, so if you are not using a 350 for decoding/output then sure you can use a regular sound card
[21:04:00] rsquared: aha!
[21:04:00] rsquared: It is highly recommended if you are using the Nvidia binary VGA drivers that you use version 7676 or earlier as later revisions have serious problems with features like XvMC and OpenGL sync which can result in poor performance or lockups."
[21:05:00] bird603568: i think im going with the 500 now
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: rsquared: Which is why I mentioned it earlier :)
[21:05:00] bird603568: ya the 8xxx sucks
[21:05:00] rsquared: i guess i missed that
[21:05:00] rsquared: hehe
[21:05:00] rsquared: hopefully 7676 supports my card
[21:06:00] kormoc: only would need to worry if you have a turbo cache pci-e card
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: Normally you can just disable OpenGL Vsync (it's configurable in the setup menus) . But if the problem is xvmc related you would need to revert to the earlier version....or just not use xvmc
[21:06:00] rsquared: i'm not using xvmc
[21:06:00] rsquared: i dont' even have it compiled in
[21:06:00] bird603568: its 2 gigs an hour for mpeg2 correct?
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: then you "should" be able to turn off OpenGL Vsync in the frontend menus
[21:07:00] rsquared: werd... i'll try that when i get home
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: bird603568: I get around 2.2g to 2.4g the average is around 2g
[21:07:00] kormoc: bird603568, depends on your bitrate
[21:07:00] rsquared: what does mplayer use for vsync by default?
[21:07:00] xpis: Does anyone who uses software encoding in mythtv 0.19 ever have issues with very badly encoded sound? (using the release version of lame) I'm trying to figure out where this problem resides...
[21:07:00] kormoc: rsquared, no, that's a myth feature
[21:07:00] meushi: bird603568: depends of your resolution and bitrate
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: rsquared: Just the rtc clock
[21:07:00] rsquared: ah.. ok
[21:07:00] bird603568: so that will give me over 35 hours
[21:07:00] rsquared: so turning off the opengl vsync will just make it use rtc?
[21:07:00] bird603568: its non HD
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: rsquared: yup
[21:08:00] bird603568: i would be fine with even 15 hours
[21:08:00] rsquared: sweet
[21:08:00] ** GreyFoxx packs up to go pickup his kid **
[21:08:00] rsquared: i wonder if i should go home for lunch
[21:08:00] rsquared: ya know what myth needs?
[21:09:00] Beirdo: more disk space?
[21:09:00] rsquared: to be able to just watch whatever's recording if all tuners are in use via watch tv
[21:09:00] bird603568: also is a fx5200 128mb too much for a graphics card, i asked some people and they said that they wouldnt go less than a 1128mb card
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: rsquared: Why ?
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: Just go to Watch receordings
[21:09:00] bird603568: but i could save some money witha 64mb
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: and you can watch the inprogress recordings
[21:09:00] rsquared: so i don't have to back out and go to watch recordings
[21:09:00] bird603568: also its a PCI card not agp or pciE
[21:10:00] GreyFoxx: bah :)
[21:10:00] rsquared: hehe
[21:10:00] kormoc: bird603568, I use a 6200, but sure, 64 megs is quite fine for non 3d games
[21:10:00] rsquared: it would be nice though
[21:10:00] bird603568: i wont be gaming
[21:10:00] bird603568: i will be watching dvd and tv and recording some tv
[21:10:00] rsquared: is there no more option for dvd ripping in mythdvd?
[21:11:00] rsquared: or was that pipe dream that i had?
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: There is
[21:11:00] rsquared: hrm.. i wonder if i didn't set the use flag
[21:12:00] bird603568: sorry im just trying to get my shit together before i spend money on this because im on a tight budget
[21:12:00] kormoc: bird603568, you can do all that on a 32 meg card likely
[21:12:00] rsquared: that would be correct
[21:12:00] bird603568: ill be safe and get a nice 64mb card
[21:12:00] kormoc: bird603568, going with a 5200/6200 will give you access to xvmc, which is nice, but not usually needed
[21:12:00] kormoc: bird603568, pci 5200 works quite well, I had one for awhile
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[21:13:00] bird603568: i was looking at that card actually
[21:14:00] rsquared: i got one of those in my garage that i used to use in my carpc
[21:14:00] bird603568: when you say pci you mean PCI and not pciE
[21:15:00] rsquared: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . p;pfp=SEARCH
[21:15:00] rsquared: right there
[21:15:00] rsquared: $59.99
[21:15:00] rsquared: 128mb pci card
[21:15:00] bird603568: newegg has it cheaper
[21:16:00] rsquared: well yeah
[21:16:00] rsquared: but newegg is like 100 miles from me
[21:16:00] Beirdo: those will some day come in handy if I ever get time to do the gputrans stuff
[21:16:00] rsquared: where compusa is around the block from my house
[21:16:00] bird603568: true
[21:16:00] bird603568: but i wont have time to build it until the semester is over
[21:16:00] rsquared: then order online
[21:16:00] bird603568: so ill order it have it shipped to my house and when i get back ill make it
[21:16:00] rsquared: :)
[21:17:00] rsquared: speaking of newegg
[21:18:00] bird603568: because i dont want to buy a tv and a dvd player and a sound system
[21:18:00] rsquared: i really hate how their promotional emails are dated from yesterday
[21:18:00] bird603568: i have a 21" crt at home and i was like that would make a nice tv
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[21:18:00] rsquared: ugh... crt
[21:18:00] rsquared: even though my tv is crt
[21:18:00] rsquared: but .. i can't stand them as monitors
[21:19:00] bird603568: why?
[21:19:00] Juski: try lifting a 32" widescreen CRT onto its stand ;)
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[21:19:00] rsquared: they give me headaches
[21:19:00] mxn_: 22:18 -!- kSh was kicked from #egocrew by Byte [Byte]
[21:19:00] mxn_: 22:18 < goodvirus> thx
[21:19:00] mxn_: 22:19 < goodvirus> wurde auch langsam zeit, das der solange hier war.....
[21:19:00] mxn_: 22:19 < goodvirus> wieder friede
[21:19:00] mxn_: argh
[21:19:00] mxn_: wrong channel, sorry
[21:19:00] rsquared: Juski: it took 3 people to put my 34" crt onto it's stand
[21:19:00] Juski: whoah
[21:19:00] bird603568: ya the 21" is like 35 lbs
[21:19:00] rsquared: tv weighs 200+lbs
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[21:19:00] bird603568: if not more
[21:20:00] rsquared: stand weighs about 100lbs
[21:20:00] rsquared: so.. i got over 300lbs worth of tv
[21:20:00] bird603568: but i will have the 3rd biggest tv on my floor
[21:20:00] rsquared: and people wonder why i don't move
[21:20:00] rsquared: lol
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[21:20:00] mxn_: how much did that cost rsquared?
[21:20:00] rsquared: you can pick up my tv for 999 now
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[21:20:00] Juski: be nice to see hdtv CRTs
[21:21:00] rsquared: it's a nice tv
[21:21:00] Juski: I bet
[21:21:00] rsquared: my dad's got a full projector setup w/hd at his house, and he's jealous of my contrast
[21:21:00] rsquared: esp my blacks
[21:21:00] Juski: mine cost £800 4 years ago
[21:21:00] rsquared: what's that equal in USD?
[21:21:00] Juski: no way I'm upgrading til it dies
[21:21:00] rsquared: haha
[21:21:00] Juski: about $1500 USD now
[21:21:00] rsquared: i'll upgrade once i'm out of debt
[21:21:00] rsquared: oh wow
[21:22:00] rsquared: i got this one
[21:22:00] rsquared: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enf . . . 22to36%22TVs
[21:22:00] bird603568: it will be sweet watch dvds in 5.1
[21:22:00] rsquared: it is
[21:23:00] rsquared: i have my myth box outputting 5.1 via spdif to my receiver
[21:23:00] rsquared: HD is way better than dvd though
[21:23:00] mofu: so do we think a new Mac Mini Intel Solo will do full MPEG HDTV??
[21:23:00] bird603568: but my 5.1 card is a pos
[21:23:00] bird603568: it was like 10$
[21:23:00] rsquared: mofu: not sure... i have an original mac mini overclocked, and it's pretty slow
[21:23:00] kormoc: mofu, it has the cpu to do it, just not sure if it has the drive thoughput
[21:24:00] kormoc: rsquared, dual core, 2 ghz will be fast enough
[21:24:00] rsquared: probably
[21:24:00] rsquared: what's the fsb on that?
[21:24:00] xris: kormoc: it's not 2G
[21:25:00] xris: it's 1.67
[21:25:00] kormoc: rsquared, 800 (200 mhz quad pumped) or 533 (166 quad pumped)
[21:25:00] rsquared: 1.66
[21:25:00] mofu: kormoc: it has Gigabit Ethernet, who needs drive thru-put
[21:25:00] xris: mofu: and firewire
[21:25:00] kormoc: xris, ooh? I thought it was 1.67 with a upgrade possability to 2
[21:25:00] rsquared: man... why did i get my mac mini when i did?
[21:25:00] rsquared: haha
[21:25:00] xris: kormoc: no, just 1.67 dual, or 1.5 single
[21:25:00] mofu: 1.5 Solo or 1.66 Duo
[21:26:00] bird603568: thanks guys you saved me about 80$
[21:26:00] bird603568: thats like 1 book for next semester :(
[21:26:00] mofu: this assumes the Intel 950 will play well with Intel Linux drivers
[21:26:00] mofu: err, scratch that
[21:26:00] mofu: not thinking
[21:27:00] rsquared: man.. the new mini has optical audio?
[21:27:00] ** rsquared shakes his head **
[21:27:00] mofu: Apple hopefully has a decent video driver
[21:27:00] mofu: rsquared: yep
[21:27:00] rsquared: yeah.. the video on the original mini sucks
[21:27:00] ** xris ponders buying an airstar hd5000 tuner **
[21:27:00] rsquared: and the g4 cpu isn't that great
[21:28:00] rsquared: ugh
[21:28:00] xris: rsquared: the slowdowns with the original mini are almost entirely drive-related, though
[21:28:00] rsquared: i have a 7200rpm drive in mine
[21:28:00] xris: boot from a firewire disk and it goes like 2x faster
[21:28:00] rsquared: and i couldn't get my mini to display on my tv via dvi->hdmi
[21:29:00] bird603568: also do you recommend jfs or xfs?
[21:29:00] ** rsquared runs reiser **
[21:29:00] bird603568: in the guide it says reiser wont work
[21:29:00] rsquared: for?
[21:29:00] bird603568: recording
[21:30:00] rsquared: does for me
[21:30:00] rsquared: and i'm doing HD
[21:30:00] mofu: xris: first HD card??
[21:30:00] xris: mofu: no. I have one of the original air2pc cards already
[21:31:00] xris: jarod gave it to me when he switched to firewire and didn't need it anymore (it was given to him for free)
[21:31:00] mofu: Is the processor in the Mini in a Socket like the iMac or soldered to the board?
[21:31:00] kormoc: bird603568, xfs would be better
[21:31:00] kormoc: bird603568, reiser has some... issues from time to time
[21:32:00] xris: bird603568: xfs, then jfs....
[21:32:00] rsquared: sweet
[21:32:00] xris: mofu: just bought a dvb card, though. going to try playing with the FTA thing...
[21:32:00] mofu: I know people have reported successfully upgraded iMac proc w/ of the shelf Intel Duo's
[21:33:00] mofu: xris: have an HD3000 and HD5000 here . . .
[21:33:00] rsquared: i think i'm gonna run home for lunch and see if turning off openglvsync works
[21:33:00] xris: mofu: my biggest issue is that I don't get the greatest reception.. back side of a hill, with an airport in between me and at least one of my channels.
[21:34:00] xris: that and it's mostly useless to me until I can get nuvexport to encode 1080i
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[21:40:00] Jasper: hmm
[21:40:00] mofu: anyone have a 1920x1080 LCD??
[21:44:00] dasOp: monitor yes, tv no
[21:45:00] mofu: how big?
[21:45:00] dasOp: 23"
[21:46:00] mofu: looking for bigger . . .
[21:46:00] dasOp: then you want a tv, not a monitor
[21:46:00] dasOp: or its not gonna be a native res
[21:46:00] mofu: didn't specify, just said LCD . . . .
[21:47:00] mofu: maybe the Westinghouse 37
[21:47:00] dasOp: yeah I know but you still triggered when I said monitor :)
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[21:50:00] xris: mofu: for a tv? I think costco will be getting something in soon for that... at least 37"
[21:50:00] xris: in the $2–2.5k range
[21:51:00] mofu: anyone see that Quad HD LCD panel last week, 3840x2160 . . . .
[21:51:00] mofu: Westy is under $2K
[21:51:00] xris: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Pro . . . =&browse
[21:51:00] xris: $1600
[21:51:00] xris: with the costco warranty. :)
[21:52:00] mofu: decent price
[21:52:00] xris: 42" for $2k
[21:52:00] xris: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Productgroup.asp . . . wse=&s=1
[21:53:00] mofu: Anyone seen that DirectTV March Madness commericial, with 4 full video streams, use the remote to switch audio between pics
[21:53:00] xris: mofu: Dish does that for the olympics, too
[21:53:00] xris: I think there were 6 (probably just to one-up DTV)
[21:53:00] dtm: mofu: wow.
[21:54:00] dtm: mofu: they must have switched to mpeg4 already huh ;)
[21:54:00] mofu: anychance of Myth doing 4 SD streams on playback??
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[21:56:00] mofu: gotta keep up with the joneses . . . .
[21:56:00] m1k3: on my directv it's not 4 full pics, but the pic is divided into 4 quadrants
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[21:57:00] m1k3: you can select the audio stream, but afaik it's still mpeg2 with aux audio streams
[21:57:00] mofu: m1k3: yeah, that's the commerical
[21:57:00] dtm: m1k3: ahhhh. that's a lot less intensive :)
[21:57:00] m1k3: you can "zoom" to a full pic, but all it does is tune to the "real" channel
[21:58:00] dtm: m1k3: oh so it's like a preview pseudo-channel
[21:58:00] dtm: ingenius.
[21:58:00] m1k3: yup
[21:58:00] dtm: so it's being encoded as such from the headend huh
[21:58:00] mofu: just need Myth to spawn 4 video players, dump three of the audio stream to /dev/null and pipe the selected audio to your primary audio idevice
[21:58:00] dtm: as opposed to the receiver decoding 4 video streams
[21:58:00] dtm: neat
[21:59:00] xris: dtm: Dish is the same way... they have a number of "interactive" channels like that.
[21:59:00] dtm: yeah they're fairly innovative compared to cable
[22:00:00] mofu: regardless of how they do it, can we do it?
[22:00:00] dtm: always neat to see their tech
[22:00:00] dtm: quite novel
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[22:00:00] mofu: not now, obviously, but is there hope?
[22:00:00] dtm: mofu: a vlc backend certainly could
[22:00:00] ole_schoola: xris: you got mail
[22:00:00] xris: ole_schoola: oh?
[22:00:00] dtm: assuming you have the capturing capacity or timeshifting
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: xris: if the contacts at nevermore still work
[22:01:00] mofu: if you have capacity for HD you can handle 4 SD streams . . .
[22:01:00] xris: what's nevermore?
[22:01:00] xris: I'm forevermore.net
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: er... forevermore
[22:01:00] mofu: lol
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: sumpin like dat
[22:02:00] xris: nothing showed up
[22:02:00] mofu: just think of its as PIP on steroids
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[22:02:00] xris: dtm: I just like that it's significantly cheaper than cable for better service.
[22:02:00] dtm: mmhmm.
[22:03:00] dtm: they gotta work for their moneys
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[22:03:00] dtm: IN SPACE
[22:03:00] ole_schoola: xris: it's *your* code ;)
[22:03:00] xris: ole_schoola: did you hit "submit"?
[22:04:00] xris: oh, it got marked as spam. lol
[22:04:00] ole_schoola: prolly gmail filter
[22:04:00] xris: http://forevermore.net/donations.php
[22:04:00] ole_schoola: xris: check
[22:04:00] xris: though I try not to ask for goodies... charities are a good option, too.
[22:04:00] ole_schoola: i'm blind
[22:05:00] xris: I don't think that page is linked anywhere.
[22:05:00] jan2600: Since I upgraded to 0.19 last week, I have this weird 'skip forward' problem. There's a post on the mailing list about it (http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-July/094987.html), unfortunately no answer...
[22:05:00] mofu: a post from last July related to your 0.19 problem?
[22:06:00] jan2600: Yes.. The mail also refers to version 0.17, although I have used up until 0.18 without any problems..
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[22:07:00] jan2600: Other than that, it describes exactly what my problem is
[22:07:00] xris: jan2600: never heard of that... corrupt recordings, maybe?
[22:07:00] ole_schoola: xris: still need a refractometer?
[22:08:00] mofu: PAL releated then??
[22:08:00] xris: ole_schoola: yes, but isn't that a bit expensive? I feel bad when people spend lots of money on me.
[22:08:00] mofu: did you check in the bugzilla
[22:08:00] jan2600: I use PAL yes..
[22:08:00] xris: jan2600: have you tried wiping the cutlists and recordedmarkup? (only thing I can think of)
[22:08:00] jan2600: xris: It happens with both new recordings as with all the recordings made with previous versions
[22:08:00] ole_schoola: xris: compared to the ease of managing myth from a browser? besides, brewing is a noble artform
[22:09:00] jan2600: mofu: I didn't check bugzilla yet.. Will do that..
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[22:10:00] xris: ole_schoola: well, I'll let you decide all of that. it does feel weird to get donations, esp. since I know isaac hates the idea.
[22:10:00] xris: jan2600: trac, not bugzilla
[22:10:00] jan2600: xris: just 'delete * from ...'
[22:10:00] xris: jan2600: DELETE FROM recordedmarkup;
[22:10:00] jan2600: xris: Forgot the ?
[22:11:00] xris: cutlist is just a specific row in the recorded table..
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[22:11:00] xris: but if you say it happens with new recordings, neither of those is likely the issue
[22:11:00] jan2600: xris: If that's the problem, shouldn't new recordings be ok ?
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[22:12:00] jan2600: Don't know if it's related but I also see a lot of these in the logs since 0.19: [mpeg @ 0xb7676740]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !
[22:13:00] xris: jan2600: have you tried changing ivtv driver versions?
[22:14:00] jan2600: xris: No, it's still at 0.2.0
[22:14:00] xris: jan2600: pvr-150?
[22:14:00] xris: or was that just the one in the message you posted?
[22:15:00] jan2600: xris: pvr-350
[22:15:00] jan2600: xris: It's an old version. I had a lot of problems with ivtv in the past. Since than I've been reluctant to upgrade as long as that version remained working..
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[22:16:00] xris: jan2600: yeah, it should be fine with that card.
[22:16:00] xris: I think you're probably best off putting in a bug report and hoping someone knows what to look for.
[22:18:00] jan2600: xris: I just checked trac and found an entry about.. Should've checked it first.. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1358
[22:18:00] xris: ah, cool.
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[22:20:00] jan2600: xris: Anyway.. Thx a lot !
[22:21:00] xris: hope someone fixes it for you soon...
[22:21:00] xris: then again, I really hope daniel took a break after the amount of work he did getting .19 out the door.
[22:21:00] SlicerDicer-: jan2600: just remember that ivtv hates 2.6.15 and 2.6.14 in my experience :)
[22:22:00] SlicerDicer-: no worky with my 350
[22:23:00] jan2600: SlicerDicer-: Currently at 2.6.11, no problem there, but thanks for the tip!
[22:23:00] SlicerDicer-: question for ya xris if you got a moment. If your busy dont worry about it. Anyway I was wondering if you have ever run into a issue with LIRC acting weird and doing the keystrokes of the remote slowly it takes about 2 seconds holding down the button to make it activate and shift the position of the keypress so to speak
[22:23:00] SlicerDicer-: jan2600: no problem I had things barf good with those kernels
[22:24:00] SlicerDicer-: jan2600: I use 2.6.13 myself
[22:24:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: haven't used lirc in ages
[22:24:00] kormoc: 2.6.14 is fine with ivtv 0.4.0
[22:24:00] xris: and my remote was iffy at best when I used it.
[22:24:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: ok
[22:24:00] jan2600: xris: np, I can wait.. Or maybe fool around myself in the code If I find some time..
[22:24:00] xris: haven't had time to hook up my new one.
[22:24:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: was not for me heh it puked bad with lirc/ivtv combo
[22:24:00] Esotericisms: anyone know how i can go about figuring out if I used YUM or APT when I originally installed mythtv on my fedora install? It was like almost a year ago, so I don't really remember :(
[22:25:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, tis what I run on :P
[22:25:00] SlicerDicer-: heh well hey
[22:25:00] SlicerDicer-: each to their own!
[22:25:00] xris: Esotericisms: find /var/cache/{apt,yum} | grep myth
[22:25:00] xris: if you cleared your cache, you're SOL
[22:25:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: have you ever seen lirc slowdown like that... its like there is a lag of 2 seconds in the signal
[22:25:00] xris: why does it matter, though?
[22:25:00] Esotericisms: xris ... apt it looks like ..thanks
[22:26:00] Esotericisms: I don't know does it matter?
[22:26:00] Esotericisms: I was just going to do a "yum upgrade" or a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:26:00] Esotericisms: to get the latest mythtv and fedora packages installed
[22:27:00] xris: Esotericisms: either works.. just a matter of having the right repos enabled
[22:29:00] ** jan2600 is going to bed... Goodnight everybody... **
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[22:31:00] peecee: anyone used smart to upgrade their system instead of yum?
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[22:32:00] bird603568: so what you guys are saying is that the pvr350s decoder only works with its tv out?
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[22:33:00] bird603568: peecee, i dont use yum apt or emerge
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[22:33:00] bird603568: i dont use any packagemanager persay
[22:33:00] Juski: bird603568: yep – pvr350 mpeg decoder is only good for its tv out.. for what _that's_ worth
[22:34:00] mos__: bird603568: the 350 works fine
[22:34:00] bird603568: well im not tv outing
[22:34:00] mos__: just the hardware decoding is for tv out
[22:34:00] Juski: no good for hd when it comes along either ;)
[22:34:00] mos__: if your not doing tv out you might as well have bought the 250
[22:34:00] Esotericisms: what do you mean enabled, ... I just want to make sure I don't screw anything up :) ...
[22:34:00] bird603568: well i dont have hd anyway
[22:34:00] Esotericisms: oh
[22:35:00] Esotericisms: duh .. which repos you suggest?
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[22:35:00] ** mos__ uses a 350 just fine **
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[22:35:00] bird603568: what about a 250?
[22:35:00] ** Juski doesn't use a pvr350 just fine ;) **
[22:35:00] bird603568: becuase i really want a remote
[22:35:00] Esotericisms: I had a moment of stupidity there with the repos ... xris, whic repos you suggest so I can verify I have the correct ones ...
[22:35:00] mos__: bird603568: are you looking for a good card?
[22:35:00] xris: Esotericisms: atrpms is the only one that does mythtv.
[22:36:00] mos__: bird603568: http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html
[22:36:00] Blammo[work]: afternoon all.... My question for the day: Anyone here able to get MythStreamTV working with ATSC/DVB sourced files? I have been unable up to now, and am looking for hints/help. It works fine with PVR-x50 recorded programs...
[22:36:00] Juski: bird603568: pvr150, pvr500 ... LIRC serial receivers... USB LIRC receivers...
[22:36:00] bird603568: well im told that i shouldnt get a 350
[22:36:00] mos__: thats a good card
[22:36:00] Esotericisms: bird603568, get a 150 or 250 ... then get the niveus media rf/ir remote ... and I will give you the driver to compile into the kernel so get it to work .. :)
[22:37:00] Juski: if you don't need TV out, don't buy a PVR350
[22:37:00] xris: bird603568: only get a 350 if you intend to use the tv-out. otherwise, it's a waste of the extra $100
[22:37:00] Juski: buy a pvr500 for the same money if you're only gonna be using SDTV
[22:38:00] Juski: anyway.. early night
[22:38:00] lane: Hi all. Got a db question. I've been running 0.18 on FC2, and I just installed 0.19 on a new partition (booting LFS). I'd like to transfer over my old data (oldrecorded, recorded, etc...).
[22:38:00] lane: I followed the instructions here (http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7) but I got an error: ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 1: Duplicate entry '3' for key 1. I'd appreciate any tips on how to insert data from a 0.18 db backup into a 0.19 database.
[22:43:00] bird603568: wait the 500 doesnt have a ermote
[22:43:00] bird603568: remote*
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[22:44:00] rsquared: well that sucks... downgrading nvidia drivers didn't work :(
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[22:50:00] bird603568: im thinking the 250 because it has a remote
[22:50:00] kormoc: bird603568, get a 150 with a remote instead
[22:50:00] kormoc: bird603568, the 150 is a newer, better, cheaper version of the 250
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[22:50:00] SlicerDicer-: hey is anybody aware if the 6200 HDTV box from comcast does SDTV as well as HDTV?
[22:50:00] bird603568: really ok
[22:50:00] rsquared: SlicerDicer-: yes, but i'm currently struggling w/it
[22:51:00] SlicerDicer-: I am not wanting to use it for myth
[22:51:00] SlicerDicer-: I am wanting to convert all my boxes but my mythbox and then add one to play with for firewire
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[22:51:00] kormoc: bird603568, and if you get the pvr 500 mcekit, it comes with a remote: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mcekit.html
[22:51:00] rsquared: SlicerDicer-: yeah.. it works, and it does both SD, and HD, and the firewire can capture both from it
[22:51:00] bird603568: no its way too much
[22:52:00] rsquared: my current issue is that it won't capture SD properly, but that's kinda unrelated
[22:52:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[22:52:00] bird603568: so this is what i want? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625
[22:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I will still keep my SDTV one and use it with svideo/rs232 for channel change
[22:52:00] kormoc: bird603568, looks good, aye
[22:53:00] rsquared: SlicerDicer-: that shouldn't be necessary
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: rsquared: no but thats how I am going to do it :)
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
[22:53:00] rsquared: you should be able to do it w/the 6200 and just use the firewire for the channel change
[22:53:00] rsquared: oh... ok then :P
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: for simplicity sake
[22:53:00] bird603568: hell ya all of my upgrades total under 300$ so i will have a spare 100$
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: till I get everything working right
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[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont want to switch then be dead in the water for a few days and miss Lost
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I will be forced to kill at that point
[22:53:00] rsquared: heh
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: I am sure you understand :)
[22:55:00] rsquared: I do to an extent
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: rsquared: I wana use firewire for video capture
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[22:56:00] rsquared: umm.. yeah
[22:56:00] rsquared: firewire also controls the channel change
[22:56:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[22:56:00] SlicerDicer-: what I am wanting to do I want to do experimental
[22:56:00] rsquared: so why you telling me you wanna use firewire for capture?
[22:56:00] rsquared: oh
[22:56:00] rsquared: heh
[22:56:00] SlicerDicer-: its not going to go on my main mythbox till I know its not going to explode it  :)
[22:57:00] SlicerDicer-: I want to do firewire capture of HDTV lost and then SDTV capture of lost as well heh
[22:57:00] SlicerDicer-: ;-)
[22:57:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont have a HDTV but my computer screens are fully capable *grin*
[22:57:00] rsquared: gotcha
[23:04:00] Jasper: hmm
[23:04:00] Jasper: this is weird
[23:04:00] Jasper: libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.
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[23:07:00] Icemaann: does anyone know where to get a datadirect zap2it account for movie times (trying to user mythmovietime)?
[23:08:00] Jasper: do I need a differnt package for encrypted dvd's maybe?
[23:09:00] Dibblah: You as well? Yes, you probably do.
[23:10:00] Jasper: hmm which?
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[23:17:00] awilkins: Damn, hadn't realised just how much CPU juice the EIT parsing was taking.. I've gone back to xmltv for my guide data
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[23:18:00] awilkins: backend was sitting there eating 15–20% CPU on a Sempron 2800 just idling
[23:19:00] janneg: look at ticket 1420, there was an huge bottle neck in dvb_decode_text
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[23:20:00] awilkins: Whoo
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[23:21:00] awilkins: Not rolled into the trunk yet, is it though
[23:21:00] awilkins: I like the quality of the Radio Times data better anyway ; I only switched the EIT on because xmltv was broken and I couldn't get the new version to build.
[23:22:00] janneg: no, but i'm using this whole evining without problems
[23:23:00] awilkins: I've not decided whether the extreme consumption of CPU is why my playback is also twitching.
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[23:23:00] awilkins: I'll run with it off for a few days and see if it improves any
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[23:23:00] awilkins: it's nice to see the base CPU consumption at 0.0%
[23:24:00] awilkins: Does the EIT stream contain information about when the programme starts and ends? (aside from the guide, like PDC does in Teletext)
[23:24:00] FunkyELF: hey guys, I was wondering if there is a way to delete a capture card or a video source?....the only option I see is to delete them all.
[23:25:00] awilkins: FunkyELF: phpmyadmin
[23:25:00] janneg: but less than 2% is not much worser
[23:25:00] awilkins: janneg: Nope, not bad at all.
[23:25:00] janneg: yes, but not all channels implement it
[23:25:00] FunkyELF: awilkins, is that safe to do? I don't like touching the database directly
[23:26:00] awilkins: FunkyELF: Safety is a relative thing.
[23:26:00] awilkins: FunkyELF: Backup your database first, and you're pretty safe
[23:26:00] janneg: i think pressing 'd' should delete a single card
[23:26:00] ** FunkyELF tries it **
[23:28:00] awilkins: janneg: EIT / PDC – does the stream announce that the feature is supported?
[23:29:00] FunkyELF: http://68.204.165.215/eric/myth.jpg anyone know what this error message is about?
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[23:30:00] awilkins: Perhaps your store path shouldn't have the slash at the end? Or maybe the user that myth is running under does not have rights to /mnt/store
[23:30:00] janneg: the user running mythtv-setup can't write to the video dir
[23:30:00] FunkyELF: but what is with that extra slash?
[23:30:00] janneg: the double slash is no problem
[23:31:00] rsquared: how bout VideoOutputXv errors?
[23:31:00] rsquared: :)
[23:31:00] FunkyELF: okay....I had that problem before when I upgraded to 0.19 and running the backend as a user
[23:31:00] FunkyELF: ...my solution : run the backend as root (it worked fine for 4 months before I upgraded to 0.19)
[23:33:00] rsquared: the Xv stuff?
[23:33:00] FunkyELF: so I delete my digital video source and go back into mythweb and I still see channels from that video source I deleted (using the d button)
[23:33:00] FunkyELF: ...and this is after I re-ran mythfilldatabase and restarted the backend
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[23:35:00] awilkins: mythfilldatabase wont remove programs, I don't think
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[23:36:00] FunkyELF: dang ..... mythweb listings take forever on the local network because there are so many channels
[23:37:00] awilkins: You must be in America.
[23:37:00] FunkyELF: yeah
[23:37:00] aluicious: does anyone know if mythvideo in 0.19 support full dvd rips?
[23:37:00] FunkyELF: I'm thinking there must be a way to delete all records for channels over 70 or so
[23:38:00] awilkins: DELETE FROM program WHERE channid > 70;
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[23:38:00] awilkins: (note ; actual WHERE clause may differ :0)
[23:38:00] jrbm689: Hello, everyone.
[23:38:00] FunkyELF: is there another table that holds all of the channel numbers?
[23:38:00] FunkyELF: ...I mean, is there another table where I'd have to delete things?
[23:38:00] awilkins: FunkyELF: channel, spookily enough
[23:39:00] awilkins: channid is not necessarily the same as your visible channel number
[23:40:00] awilkins: Since you're using WIndows, you might check out SQLyog as well as phpmyadmin
[23:41:00] FunkyELF: select chanid, channum, name from channel order by chanid; works for me
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[23:42:00] FunkyELF: delete from channel where chanid > 2000;
[23:42:00] FunkyELF: Query OK, 350 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[23:42:00] FunkyELF: do you only see that in America?
[23:42:00] awilkins: What, 350 channels?
[23:42:00] FunkyELF: yeah
[23:42:00] FunkyELF: you said I must be in America
[23:42:00] awilkins: Here in the UK we have about 42
[23:43:00] awilkins: Well, on our DVB-T transmissions anyway
[23:43:00] awilkins: Analogue is 5. Cable might be a bit more, satellite, maybe.
[23:44:00] awilkins: America is just the stereotypical "lots of channels" place, to us
[23:44:00] FunkyELF: hrm....I never ran commit; after running that delete
[23:44:00] FunkyELF: and I ctrl-c'd out of mysql and it seems to have committed
[23:45:00] jrbm689: Channels channels everywhere, but nothing but infomercials.
[23:45:00] awilkins: I can't say that I mind ; you try out all the TV for us and we pick the best stuff and distill it onto fewer channels.
[23:45:00] awilkins: :-)
[23:45:00] awilkins: We don't get the lingerie bowl though.
[23:45:00] jrbm689: By fewer channels, I assume you mean Channel 4?
[23:46:00] awilkins: BBC2 used to show some good American sitcoms
[23:46:00] janneg: awilkins: PDC is implement by the running status of events
[23:46:00] awilkins: Farscape, 'Trek
[23:46:00] FunkyELF: awilkins, do you get American Idol, 24, Family Guy, and American Dad? Those are the only 4 shows that matter.
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[23:46:00] awilkins: We do.
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[23:46:00] awilkins: And we invented Pop Idol, so we get the British one too.
[23:47:00] FunkyELF: wow...I just realized how 3 of the shows I like have the word american in them. (cuz I forgot to mention American Chopper)
[23:47:00] janneg: VDR implements it and calls it VPS
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[23:47:00] awilkins: Family Guy and American Dad are shown back to back on the same channel, with no commercials.
[23:47:00] jrbm689: That's nice to hear.
[23:48:00] jrbm689: I guess you don't need MythTV then, do ya, punk?
[23:48:00] awilkins: janneg: I've been using the dvbdate util to set the clock, but even that doesn't guarantee you not clipping the ends off programmes, it would be nice to have that feature.
[23:48:00] kormoc: FunkyELF, what about stargate?!?!
[23:48:00] FunkyELF: I liked the movie but I never got showtime, or hbo, or whatever channel it was on
[23:49:00] kormoc: FunkyELF, it's on scifi now
[23:49:00] jrbm689: It's a SCI-FI original series, yes?
[23:50:00] jrbm689: The show has gone completely to pot since Richard Dean Anderson (MacGyver) left.
[23:50:00] awilkins: It's shown at 0300 here, which is why you need MythTV
[23:50:00] jrbm689: He could always get them out of a situation with a grain of sand, some Clove gum, and a toothpick
[23:51:00] kormoc: jrbm689, it was originally made for HBO, then HBO sold it to scifi and it became a SCI-FI original serise.
[23:51:00] janneg: at least for germen channels it is unfortunately not 100% reliable, if the channel implements it
[23:51:00] awilkins: I liked the one where he fixed a sulphuric acid tank with a bar of chocolate
[23:51:00] jrbm689: Is that so? I never knew.
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[23:51:00] sillysally: hey guys anyone using xine?
[23:51:00] jrbm689: He lost his touch after a while. The later episodes he could only think of getting out of prisons with big heavy mattresses.
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[23:52:00] FunkyELF: sillysally, how about aaxine ?
[23:52:00] kormoc: jrbm689, that's cause he can't use the same trick twice
[23:52:00] jrbm689: Says who? The advertisers?
[23:52:00] kormoc: jrbm689, says the fans!
[23:53:00] sillysally: don't know it... i am having some trouble with my lircrc commands for xine and was wondering if anyone had the same probs.. i check the ML and i am using the ones there.. but mine aren't working
[23:53:00] jrbm689: Bah! I'll bet the fans didn't want to see him turn water into a WINdows Emulator either
[23:53:00] kormoc: jrbm689, other then the fact it's Wine Is Not a Emulator? :P
[23:54:00] sillysally: the command i am having trouble with is the forward/reverse searches
[23:54:00] sillysally: anyone run into that?
[23:54:00] jrbm689: I'm off to reconfigure my knoppmyth box. I shall return, though, with a witty comeback
[23:54:00] jrbm689: Toodles
[23:54:00] kormoc: I shall await!
[23:54:00] awilkins: So if MacGyvers gone, have they shameless tried to increase ratings with immense amounts of fanservice alá Jeri RYan?
[23:54:00] ** kormoc waves **
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[23:54:00] kormoc: awilkins, not really, just got some of the farscape people in to liven it up
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[23:55:00] awilkins: awilkins: Claudia Black?
[23:55:00] awilkins: Hmm, talking to myself
[23:55:00] kormoc: awilkins, cladia black and the human lead guy
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[23:55:00] awilkins: Claudia Black I could watch all day without blinking.
[23:56:00] xris: kormoc: yup. it's now turning into Fargate.
[23:56:00] rsquared: @#($*&@#$(
[23:56:00] FunkyELF: so the mac mini now comes in 'intel'....I'm thinking about putting my HTPC into a full tower and get rid of the HTPC case that I have for it (gets too hot) and using the mac mini as my frontend
[23:56:00] rsquared: i seriously don't understand how I'm getting buffering
[23:57:00] FunkyELF: people say that MythTV runs natively on OSX....but will it work with the brand new intel mac mini? Is it a "universal binary"?
[23:57:00] Chutt: they've been showing off amanda tapping's new baby-given assets a lot
[23:57:00] Chutt: FunkyELF, afaik, no one's manged to compile it on intel yet
[23:57:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Hah oh yeah :) I';m not complaining :)
[23:58:00] GreyFoxx: they even had her in a bra in the water in Atlantis showing them off
[23:58:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[23:58:00] xris: Chutt: true. even on atlantis.
[23:58:00] sillysally: oh geeze guys.. get a date
[23:58:00] ** kormoc chuckles. **
[23:59:00] FunkyELF: Chutt, do you think it will work in it's emulated mode on the new intel mac mini until it is compiled for it?
[23:59:00] GreyFoxx: haha
[23:59:00] Chutt: hey, i was just answering a question – they _are_ turning to more fanservice
[23:59:00] xris: sillysally: I watch stargate+atlantis+bsg weekly with my wife and two gay friends... I *get* to stare at amanda tapping's breats if I want if they get to swoon over Jamie Bamber.
[23:59:00] FunkyELF: Chutt, and do you mean to say that people have tried it and it doesn't work right out of the box?
[23:59:00] Chutt: FunkyELF, no idea, and yes

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