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Tuesday, February 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] squish102: but then i also managed to get an FC4 with http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/
[00:00:00] scopeuk: yeh knoppmyth rarly takes issue with my hardware
[00:00:00] squish102: and used yum install
[00:00:00] squish102: as per that website with little issues (after putting in a PVR 150)
[00:00:00] scopeuk: yum sound good
[00:01:00] topher: if you've compiled stuff before doing myth from source is pretty easy too. the hard part is getting dependencies for things like transcode wokring perfectly ; things like ffmpeg rarely compile exactly right
[00:01:00] scopeuk: does yum not avea dependancy fixer?
[00:01:00] squish102: yes it does
[00:01:00] topher: yea, yum does
[00:01:00] squish102: yum install myth-suite
[00:02:00] scopeuk: that prety much it?
[00:02:00] squish102: installs about 92 dependancies
[00:02:00] scopeuk: then yum install xmltv
[00:02:00] squish102: nope
[00:02:00] scopeuk: or is the yum one smart enough to do that
[00:02:00] squish102: that has it all in
[00:02:00] scopeuk: nice
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[00:03:00] scopeuk: the debain package is outside the official repositories and was obviously made by an ammerican who forgot the rest of the world use xmltv
[00:03:00] scopeuk: FC4 still 4 dvd images to download?
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[00:04:00] squish102: 5 cd's
[00:05:00] squish102: or 4
[00:05:00] scopeuk: oh ntb then
[00:05:00] scopeuk: not good but ntb
[00:05:00] squish102: if u have high speed internet u can try a ftp install
[00:06:00] scopeuk: i have 1 Mb
[00:06:00] squish102: i actually have all iso's on another linux box and install off it
[00:06:00] scopeuk: thats nice for you
[00:06:00] squish102: much quicker, then 5 time round
[00:06:00] scopeuk: yeh
[00:06:00] scopeuk: ive done 3 debain net isntalls wthsi wekend
[00:06:00] squish102: hate cd shuffle
[00:06:00] scopeuk: ill live
[00:06:00] scopeuk: think i have a copy of fc2 round here somewhere on cd
[00:06:00] scopeuk: but id rarther not go back that far
[00:07:00] squish102: FC 5 soon to be released
[00:07:00] scopeuk: yay knowing my luck ill get 4 installed then 5 will be released and will be all wiimafied
[00:08:00] squish102: http://dl.atrpms.net/all/mythtv-suite.spec
[00:08:00] squish102: ^^ shows that it requires xmltv
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[00:09:00] squish102: xmltv-grabbers-0.5.42–64.rhfc3.at
[00:09:00] squish102: xmltv-gui-0.5.42–64.rhfc3.at
[00:09:00] squish102: xmltv-0.5.42–64.rhfc3.at
[00:09:00] squish102: opps
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[00:13:00] lightx: when trying to setup mythweb, i get an error saying Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client... but i have mysql 5 !?
[00:13:00] RaYmAn-Bx: hi..Is it possible to run a headless master backend without any tv-card and with no content being stored on the server? Basically just so it coordinates (and wakes up with WOL if needed) the slave(s) who saves stuff locally with them...Obviously the db tv info filling and mythweb would be on the master as well..
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[00:17:00] lightx: where can i find more about errors with mythweb?
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[00:18:00] scopeuk: ok fc4 is downloading as wee speek
[00:18:00] scopeuk: speak*
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[00:19:00] scopeuk: any way im oign to go and sleep now
[00:19:00] scopeuk: later all
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[00:27:00] k-man: i have 2 dvb-t capture cards
[00:27:00] k-man: but one of them refuses to receive ABC correctly
[00:28:00] k-man: is there a way i can program mythtv not to use ABC on that tuner card?
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[00:31:00] madar: probably going to sound stupid here but how can I run myth inside a window (not fullscreen)
[00:31:00] madar: I figure there must be a switch but I can't find it
[00:31:00] jams: madar- adjust the settings under appearance
[00:32:00] jams: you can set the size of the window, and if it has borders or not
[00:32:00] madar: in mythtv-setup?
[00:32:00] jams: no, the frontend settings
[00:32:00] madar: I see
[00:33:00] madar: trying now, thanks
[00:35:00] madar: hmm that works I guess, sort of a pain to do on the fly
[00:35:00] madar: can this be done with a profile type set up
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[00:39:00] defaultro: hey guys, good evening
[00:40:00] defaultro: is there any feature in myth where we are able to protect each program that we record?
[00:40:00] defaultro: i mean, a program that should not be watched by kids or younger
[00:41:00] briand: yes.
[00:41:00] defaultro: ok. how do i do it?
[00:42:00] briand: would you like to get comfy? perhaps a cognac and a cigar? maybe a blanket and stoke up the fire? ..while I read the documentation to you?
[00:42:00] defaultro: oh, i thought it was not documented
[00:43:00] briand: sure, it's documented. Parental Controls
[00:43:00] briand: you can apply it to recordings, channels, specific times of day, and/or limit the number of accumulated hours per day that the kids can watch tv.
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[00:44:00] defaultro: cool
[00:44:00] defaultro: i will apply it to the recorded shows
[00:44:00] briand: it doesn't explicitly display a "Go do your homework!!" message, but you can code that program up separately, if required.
[00:46:00] defaultro: i just saw that it's still on the wishlist
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[00:48:00] Nitro: So
[00:48:00] Nitro: Any ideas why my sound sounds like this http://enos.ehpg.net/~nitro/sound.avi
[00:48:00] Nitro: If I do a test capture outside of mythtv it works fine
[00:48:00] Nitro: everything outside myth works fine
[00:48:00] Nitro: trying to watch tv in myth gives me that sound
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[00:50:00] xpis: Nitro: What mythtv version, what capture card, and what sound card?
[00:51:00] Nitro: Most recent mythtv version (Just installed) Hauppauge 150, Audigy 2
[00:51:00] xpis: Nitro: and do you have sound going through the soundcard?
[00:52:00] Nitro: yes, spidf throughput to my Z-5500 system
[00:53:00] Nitro: Like I said, works fine in KDE, playing a video, playing an mp3 file, capturing in a console and playing it back through mplayer
[00:53:00] Nitro: it just breaks trying to use mythtv
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[00:54:00] defaultro: hi xris
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[00:54:00] defaultro: I tried mythweb on apache2 and it doesn't behave properly
[00:55:00] Nitro: so I'm not quite sure what's going on, I've changed as many settings I can within mythtv, I've disabled arts as reccomended by a guide trying to get it fixed
[00:55:00] defaultro: The RewriteRule, RewriteEngine were invalid
[00:55:00] Nitro: and it just bugs me
[00:55:00] xris: defaultro: you need to enable the plugin
[00:55:00] defaultro: on the .htaccess file
[00:55:00] xris: mod_rewrite
[00:55:00] defaultro: ah
[00:55:00] defaultro: that's why i kept behaving like that
[00:55:00] defaultro: ok, i will recompile apache
[00:56:00] xris: it's all in the docs
[00:56:00] xpis: Ok, it sounds like a sampling rate mismatch.
[00:56:00] defaultro: what other plugin should I enable?
[00:57:00] xpis: Nitro: it sounds like you have 22050 stereo sound being interpreted as 44100 mono sound.
[00:57:00] Nitro: xpis, how would I fx it
[00:57:00] xris: defaultro: read the readme
[00:57:00] defaultro: :)
[00:57:00] xpis: Nitro: Are you using alsa or oss/dsp to get sound within mythtv?
[00:58:00] Nitro: alsa I imagine
[00:58:00] xpis: Nitro: are you using the latest kernel? It could be a buffer overrun problem.
[00:59:00] Nitro: yes, before my mythtv installation I did yum upgrade and I'm at the latest kernel
[00:59:00] xpis: Nitro: (Type cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp
[00:59:00] Nitro: for how long
[00:59:00] xpis: 10 seconds
[00:59:00] xpis: What, if anything, do you hear?
[01:00:00] Nitro: I hear nothing
[01:00:00] Nitro: and my z-5500 says no signal
[01:00:00] xpis: ok.. try cat /dev/dsp1 > /dev/dsp1
[01:00:00] Nitro: [root@localhost mythtv]# cat /dev/dsp1 > /dev/dsp1
[01:00:00] Nitro: cat: /dev/dsp1: input file is output file
[01:01:00] xpis: ok, that device doesn't exist... which means you only have one soundcard. Is myth set to get audio through the soundcard rather than through the pvr150?
[01:02:00] Nitro: It shouldn't becuase I don't have my sound plugged into my sound card, so if it tried to pull off my soundcard it would get nothing
[01:02:00] Nitro: but I can clearly hear something, it's just distorted all to hell, so it's pulling off my 150
[01:02:00] xpis: ah.. you told me you had it going through your soundcard.
[01:03:00] Nitro: oh did I? sorry, heh
[01:03:00] Nitro: I didn't mean to be unclear, my apologies
[01:03:00] Nitro: I only have my one sound card (Audigy 2) and I have the input on my 150
[01:04:00] Nitro: like I said, if I cat /dev/video0 outside mythtv in a console
[01:04:00] Nitro: it's fine
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[01:04:00] Netslayer: where does the in kernel dvb drives for pchdtv 3000 look for firmware?
[01:05:00] xpis: Type ivtvctl -a
[01:05:00] xpis: (Nitro)
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[01:05:00] Nitro: you want me to pastebin?
[01:05:00] Nitro: it's quite long
[01:05:00] Nitro: or are you looking for something specific
[01:06:00] xpis: the sample rate
[01:06:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42458
[01:06:00] Nitro: Frequency = 1076
[01:07:00] Nitro: I don't see a sample rate
[01:07:00] Nitro: oh
[01:07:00] Nitro: #
[01:07:00] Nitro: bitrate  : 4500000
[01:07:00] briand: that's video
[01:07:00] xpis: it has to be pulled out of the audio hexabyte.
[01:08:00] Nitro: would I have to start a recording before doing it
[01:08:00] xpis: it shouldn't matter.
[01:08:00] defaultro: xris, I recompiled apache and restarted it. This is what I got in error_log when I loaded mythweb -> Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace.
[01:08:00] Nitro: hm
[01:09:00] xpis: Well, you have it set to AC97 audio
[01:09:00] xris: defaultro: what's your mythweb setup like? anything weird?
[01:09:00] Nitro: ac97.. that sounds like the onboard sound..
[01:09:00] Nitro: how is that possible if it outputs to my z5500's via audigy 2 digial out
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[01:10:00] defaultro: it's simple
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[01:10:00] squish102: this may be a stupid question, but if i see one recording with "has commflag: No" can i do something to do now do the commflag?
[01:10:00] defaultro: right after clicking OK button on the authentication prompt, I get that error in error_log and on the webpage, Internal Server Error
[01:11:00] xpis: Nitro: your audio settings are: 48000hz mpeg layer 2 audio at 448kbps with no channel setting specified.
[01:11:00] briand: squish102: schedule commercial flagging for that recording.
[01:11:00] Nitro: it was a default myth install, so is that normal?
[01:11:00] xpis: Nitro: (yes, you are encoding audio at 448kbps...)
[01:12:00] squish102: briand, ok so i can do that through mythfrontend?
[01:12:00] Nitro: alrighty
[01:12:00] Nitro: I Could upload a sample of a cat capture outside of myth if that helps
[01:13:00] Nitro: as far as I could tell I'm not seeing anything abnormal, the only thing that captures and playsback wierd is myth
[01:13:00] Nitro: like I'm listening to an mp3 song now and it's perfect
[01:13:00] briand: squish102: yep.
[01:13:00] xpis: Nitro: it sounds almost like it is capturing 8 bit audio.
[01:14:00] Nitro: I didn't see any audio capturing settings in mythfrontend
[01:14:00] Nitro: would running mythsetup provide anything I could change
[01:15:00] briand: squish102: go into "Watch Recordings" and select the program in question. hit the 'Right Arrow' ... scroll down on the menu presented to "Job Options", hit 'Right Arrow' and then pick "Commercial Flagging"
[01:15:00] xpis: Nitro: you might want to check your tuner options in mythtv-setup
[01:15:00] Netslayer: or51132: No firmware uploaded(timeout or file not found?) ... what am i doing wrong
[01:16:00] xpis: Nitro: reducing the bitrate might fix the problem. Something is being truncated...
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[01:16:00] defaultro: xris, it worked when I put LimitInternalRecursion 500 :)
[01:16:00] Netslayer: got this in htere /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/dvb-fe-or51211.fw
[01:16:00] defaultro: that's rediculously large
[01:16:00] xris: defaultro: something else is wrong
[01:16:00] defaultro: ok
[01:16:00] defaultro: didn't work at 20, 50 and 100
[01:16:00] defaultro: then tried 500
[01:17:00] Nitro: in the setup there is nothing that lets me change the bitrate
[01:17:00] Nitro: It just asks me what tuner I want (svideo) and what card I have
[01:17:00] Nitro: two options
[01:18:00] xpis: ok, then you may have to change it in ivtvctl directly.
[01:19:00] xpis: (I don't use an ivtv device myself, so I am not entirely familiar with the configuration in mythtv for them)
[01:20:00] xpis: All tuner options would be in mythtv-setup though, not through the frontened.
[01:20:00] xpis: s/frontened/frontend/
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[01:20:00] Nitro: yeah I can change tuner settings in the setup
[01:20:00] Nitro: and nothing really in the frontend
[01:21:00] Nitro: but it doesn't make sense if I would have to change it through ivtvctl
[01:21:00] Nitro: becuase then I would have this problem outside of mythtv as well
[01:21:00] Nitro: wouldn't I?
[01:21:00] akira: where do i put the joystick config for xmame? i don't have joystick support
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[01:21:00] xpis: Nitro: do you watch video outside of mythtv?
[01:22:00] xpis: Nitro: this is a problem in the captured mpeg audio on the card.
[01:22:00] Nitro: Do you mean just a standard avi file?
[01:23:00] Nitro: or do you mean watching video captured form the card
[01:23:00] slaw123: hi i have a question about imbd. When I enter manually imbd number in MythVideo it finds all the info but it deos not display the cover
[01:23:00] xpis: Nitro: Have you used mencoder or something to capture video from the card without mythtv?
[01:23:00] Nitro: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg
[01:24:00] xpis: And that works fine?
[01:24:00] Nitro: perfectly
[01:24:00] xpis: Nitro: hm.. try ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099
[01:24:00] xpis: Then, try watching live tv again.
[01:25:00] Nitro: mythtv@localhost ~]$ ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099
[01:25:00] Nitro: ioctl IVTV_IOC_S_CODEC ok
[01:25:00] xpis: now try livetv
[01:26:00] xpis: (don't stop livetv if it is still messing up – just keep it running)
[01:26:00] Nitro: alright hold on, sorry, I have to repopulate the channel listings
[01:26:00] Nitro: I deleted my capture card and video source in the setup and put them back in again
[01:26:00] Nitro: so I have to populate it again so I can watch livetv
[01:26:00] slaw123: anybody has problems with retriving the covers for their vidoe files in MythVideo ? it works fine – i get all the info about the movies but no cover pictures.
[01:27:00] slaw123: anubody had this sort of problem before ?
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[01:30:00] Nitro: Sorry about this xpis, I wont be clearing it again as I know that's not going to fix anything heh
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[01:35:00] slaw123: hmmm
[01:35:00] slaw123: anybody here ?
[01:35:00] Juski: no
[01:35:00] DarkBeer: nope
[01:35:00] slaw123: hehe :)
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[01:36:00] Nitro: alrighty
[01:36:00] Nitro: just finished up
[01:36:00] spiderworm: hi all, can anybody help me figure out how to get the maximum resolution on my hdtv ?
[01:36:00] slaw123: did you see my question ?
[01:36:00] slaw123: about the mythvideo ?
[01:36:00] spiderworm: i have the product manual which gives me the max resolution of 1920x1080 and the vrefresh, but not the hsync
[01:38:00] Nitro: 2006-02–20 17:38:00.611 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, file not found: /video/recordings/1299_20060220173753.mpg
[01:38:00] Nitro: 2006-02–20 17:38:00.620 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec
[01:38:00] Nitro: 2006-02–20 17:38:00.690 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[01:38:00] Nitro: :/
[01:38:00] Nitro: backend is just flooding with
[01:38:00] Nitro: read: Device or resource busy
[01:38:00] Nitro: error reading from: /dev/video0
[01:40:00] Nitro: I wonder if a reboot will fix this
[01:40:00] Nitro: because there's nothing using it
[01:40:00] xpis: Nitro: do you have another proccess reading video?
[01:40:00] Nitro: not as far as I know
[01:40:00] xpis: Nitro: type killall -9 cat
[01:41:00] Nitro: there we go
[01:41:00] Nitro: back up watching live tv
[01:41:00] Nitro: still bad sound
[01:41:00] Nitro: I'll just leave the frontend running on desktop 3
[01:41:00] Nitro: backend looks normal again
[01:41:00] Nitro: video is fine
[01:41:00] xpis: ok.. is livetv still running?
[01:42:00] Nitro: yes
[01:42:00] xpis: type ivtvctl -a
[01:43:00] Nitro: patebin?
[01:43:00] xpis: no, just the audio byte
[01:43:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[01:43:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[01:43:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00e9
[01:44:00] xpis: Nitro: with frontend, type ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099
[01:44:00] xpis: s/frontend/frontened running/
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[01:45:00] Nitro: holy tapdancing christ
[01:45:00] Nitro: it's normal
[01:46:00] Nitro: Breakdown now
[01:46:00] Nitro: doop de doop de doop
[01:46:00] Nitro: *dance around*
[01:46:00] Nitro: I love you xpis
[01:46:00] xpis: Now, you just need to stop myth from resetting the audio to the highest possible bitrate.
[01:47:00] Nitro: would I throw that in a shellscript or something
[01:47:00] xpis: no, as they wouldn't work.
[01:47:00] Nitro: hm
[01:47:00] xpis: Go into recording profiles
[01:48:00] xpis: select the livetv recording profile and go through it to find audio options.
[01:49:00] Nitro: "Sampling rate 48000"
[01:49:00] Nitro: layer 2
[01:49:00] Nitro: 384kbps
[01:49:00] Nitro: I can't change the rate below 4800
[01:49:00] Nitro: 48000
[01:49:00] xpis: ok, the 384kbps is the offending settings
[01:49:00] Nitro: there are no other options
[01:49:00] Nitro: ah
[01:49:00] xpis: s/settings/setting/
[01:49:00] Nitro: 320?
[01:49:00] xpis: no, that's still to high
[01:49:00] xpis: try 240
[01:50:00] xpis: s/to/too/
[01:50:00] Nitro: I have a 256
[01:50:00] xpis: (I'm typing on a laptop keyboard over a vnc session with a slight delay.. quite quickly.. hense the typos)
[01:50:00] Nitro: went back to live, it's on bad
[01:50:00] Nitro: I don't mind :) You're perfectly understandable
[01:51:00] xpis: Try 192kbps
[01:51:00] Nitro: 192, still bad
[01:51:00] xpis: ok, go to 192kbps, save the settings, go into livetv, and do ivtvctl -a
[01:51:00] Nitro: 128, still bad
[01:52:00] Nitro: er
[01:52:00] Nitro: okay lemme go back
[01:52:00] squish102: briand thanks for the help above.. i have been wandering around mythfronted for 15 minutes
[01:52:00] briand: no problem, squish102  :)
[01:52:00] squish102: came in here and was about to ask u
[01:52:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[01:52:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[01:52:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00e9
[01:52:00] briand: Nitro: I think you want 160kbps
[01:53:00] Nitro: I went to 128 and it was still bad
[01:53:00] Nitro: 160 should be fine?
[01:53:00] xpis: ok, the setting change isn't working.
[01:53:00] Nitro: 160, still bad
[01:53:00] briand: 0x0090 L1: 288kbps, L2: 160kbps ... 0x0008 Layer 2 ... 0x0001 48,00Hz (AC97)
[01:54:00] briand: that's 0x0099
[01:54:00] briand: ...which is what you tried before and it worked, right?
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[01:55:00] Nitro: yeah
[01:55:00] xpis: yes, that's what I had him use that worked.
[01:55:00] Nitro: if I type that in a console
[01:55:00] Nitro: it starts working fine
[01:55:00] Nitro: "ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099"
[01:55:00] briand: okay.. so try Layer II, 160kbps, and 4800
[01:55:00] briand: save those settings in the LiveTV recording profile, and try live tv again
[01:56:00] Nitro: bad
[01:56:00] briand: (one you find the setting that works, you'll want to change your recording profiles, too)
[01:57:00] Nitro: I've tried changing everything in the recording profile
[01:57:00] briand: while still in LiveTV, with those settings 'saved', do `ivtvctl -C` and see what's set for the audio
[01:57:00] Nitro: from the highest, to the lowest
[01:58:00] briand: xpis: don't mean to be 'horning in' ... :)
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[01:59:00] Nitro: changed the settings in the recording profile
[01:59:00] Nitro: saved
[01:59:00] rachelc: hi all, i just set up mythtv and everything is great, but my video is stretched to the wrong aspect; tv is playing back like it's letter boxed
[01:59:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[01:59:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[01:59:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00a9
[01:59:00] Nitro: There is ivtvctl -C
[01:59:00] briand: hmm. a9 is wrong. should be 99
[01:59:00] Nitro: [mythtv@localhost ~]$ ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099
[01:59:00] Nitro: ioctl IVTV_IOC_S_CODEC ok
[02:00:00] Nitro: Doing that and it starts working fine again
[02:00:00] rachelc: any ideas?
[02:00:00] briand: Nitro: yep... hang tight.
[02:00:00] Nitro: okay
[02:00:00] Nitro: rachelc, try changing the aspect in the live tv profile?
[02:00:00] briand: a9 is Layer II, 192kbps @ 4800
[02:01:00] briand: we want Layer II, 160kbps @ 4800
[02:01:00] rachelc: Nitro: hmm, this is on playback but i'll try forcing it there
[02:01:00] Nitro: let me change it again
[02:01:00] Nitro: but I set it on it before, and it still didn't work
[02:01:00] squish102: i am sooo close to having everything sorted out. one last problem, any1 know why i would have a small black stripe on left side. when viewd in small window, or after nuvexport
[02:01:00] xpis: Nitro: for some reason, myth doesn't seem to be able to change the setting.
[02:02:00] squish102: actually in edit too.. pvr 150
[02:02:00] xpis: Nitro: it seems to always set the bits to 'e', which is 384.
[02:02:00] squish102: in recording properties i have 720 x 480
[02:02:00] briand: xpis: we could shut down the frontend, do some SQL magic on the mythconverg tables and force the audio to 0x0099, then start the frontend back up....
[02:02:00] Nitro: back to 160
[02:02:00] coochan: rachelc: did you check to make sure the Settings -> TV -> Playback there's no aspect ratio set?
[02:02:00] Nitro: and bad sound again
[02:02:00] briand: xpis: ..hmm.. actually, front/backend
[02:03:00] briand: Nitro: ivtvctl -C
[02:03:00] briand: ...while it's still hissin' at ya
[02:03:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[02:03:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[02:03:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00a9
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[02:03:00] briand: hmm.. bumped it back up to 192
[02:03:00] rachelc: coochan: there isn't one, but it's strange — everything is too short and too wide (i've got a widescreen tv and it's making everything look like a movie, if you know what i mean)
[02:04:00] briand: Nitro: just for kicks... leave everything else the same, and set it to 288kbps
[02:04:00] briand: Nitro: then save, go into livetv, keep it running, and run `ivtvctl -C` again
[02:05:00] Nitro: 192, 224, 256, 320, 384
[02:05:00] Nitro: those are my options, I can't set it to 288
[02:05:00] briand: hmm.. can't set it to 160, either?
[02:05:00] Nitro: yeah I can
[02:05:00] Nitro: but 160 gave me the same thing as I pasted above
[02:06:00] Nitro: 0x00a9
[02:06:00] briand: 'k. stand by a sec, while i formulate a 'brute force' method to test out...
[02:06:00] Nitro: alright
[02:07:00] xpis: briand: With the number of people using the pvr150 that bugs in controlling the ivctl audio control would be worked dout
[02:07:00] squish102: pvr150 is a great card for the price
[02:07:00] coochan: rachelc: what do you mean, there isn't one?
[02:08:00] coochan: rachelc: TV Settings -> Playback, screen 1
[02:08:00] xpis: Anyone else currently watching livetv on a ivtv device: type ivtvctl -a and find the audio control integer.
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[02:10:00] briand: xpis: here, it's 0x00e9 (PVR-350) ...and the same on my PVR-500 (which is two PVR-150's)
[02:10:00] Captain_Murdoch: rachelc, is your DisplaySize setting in your X config set correctly to tell Myth that your display is widescreen?
[02:10:00] xpis: The highest audio bitrate is an awful default.
[02:10:00] squish102: my pvr150 is 0x00e9
[02:10:00] xpis: It seems there is a bug in the recording profile screen.
[02:10:00] Nitro: This is my second attempt at getting mythtv running, the last time I went through I got discuraged and just used a windows solution, but its time ran out a couple days ago
[02:10:00] Nitro: and it's 90 dollars :(
[02:11:00] briand: a Windows solution is never a solution.
[02:11:00] xpis: (specifically, interpretation of the setting into an audio setting)
[02:11:00] briand: {tm} briand, 2006
[02:12:00] briand: xpis: in the database, type "select name,value from codecparams where name like 'mpeg2aud%';"
[02:12:00] xpis: Nitro: well, if you can wait on someone to find the bug, and you don't mind applying a patch... (another solution would be to find out why you are getting a clipped buffer with that audio setting)
[02:12:00] briand: it'll spit out mpeg2audtype, mpeg2audbitrate1, mpeg2audbitrate2, and mpeg2audvolume x the number of profiles
[02:13:00] xpis: briand: I don't have an ivtv device...
[02:14:00] briand: Nitro, wanna do some "looking" at the SQL table?
[02:14:00] Nitro: I'm up for whatever you're up for
[02:14:00] Nitro: I've got nothing but time to get this fixed
[02:14:00] briand: Nitro: fire it up with `mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg`
[02:14:00] xpis: briand: I think you intended the comment with my name prefixed for Nitro.
[02:15:00] briand: at the SQL prompt, type "select name,value from codecparams where name like 'mpeg2aud%' and profile='1';"
[02:15:00] Nitro: should I close the frontend?
[02:15:00] xpis: (it gets confusing, with so many people talking at once about one thing)
[02:15:00] Nitro: or leave it going
[02:15:00] briand: no, we're just -looking- right now.
[02:15:00] Nitro: We could go to another channel if it's helpful
[02:15:00] briand: channel is irrelevant
[02:15:00] briand: (as long as it's tuned to a valid channel)
[02:15:00] squish102: leave it going for any1 that may have same problem
[02:15:00] Nitro: no I mean IRC channel
[02:15:00] Nitro: refering to xpis
[02:16:00] Nitro: mysql> select name,value from codecparams where name like 'mpeg2aud%' and profile='1';
[02:16:00] Nitro: Empty set (0.03 sec)
[02:16:00] xpis: briand: when you change your audio bitrate, does your ivtv audio setting change from 384/layer 2?
[02:16:00] briand: okay, leave out the "and profile='1'" part, then
[02:16:00] briand: xpis: haven't tried it.. ..but then, mine works at 0x00e9
[02:17:00] xpis: briand: but that's much higher than anyone would want audio encoded at.
[02:17:00] rachelc: coochan: aspect ratio override isn't set
[02:17:00] Nitro: mysql> select name,value from codecparams where name like 'mpeg2aud%'
[02:17:00] Nitro: ->
[02:17:00] coochan: rachelc: oh good
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[02:17:00] briand: Nitro: need to leave that trailing semi-colon in there... type one now, and hit <enter>
[02:18:00] briand: (on my system, it returns 52 rows)
[02:19:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42493
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[02:19:00] Nitro: Remember
[02:19:00] Nitro: I used that command
[02:19:00] Nitro: to get my sound to normal
[02:19:00] Nitro: and just left it there
[02:19:00] Nitro: so right now my sound is fine
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[02:19:00] briand: okay.. you have one card, right?
[02:20:00] sanmarcos: anybody else having issues with 0.19 freezing and leaking memory on show boundaries? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/182957 is tehre a trac ticket for it?
[02:20:00] Nitro: yes
[02:20:00] Nitro: one pvr 150
[02:20:00] briand: okay.
[02:21:00] Kelerion-flux: Nitro, what problem you having again?
[02:21:00] xpis: hm.. the problem could be that it is using the layer 1 setting instead of the layer 2 setting.
[02:21:00] briand: Nitro: if you could, run the same command again, but this time, use "profile,name,value" instead of just "name,value" ... you should have 3 profiles in there.
[02:21:00] rachelc: Captain_Murdoch: well, i have it set to 848x480 which i believe is the proper aspec
[02:21:00] xpis: Try setting the layer 2 setting to 320kbps
[02:21:00] coochan: rachelc: btw, have you determined whether the source video has the problem, or wehther it's a problem on playback?
[02:21:00] briand: xpis: actually, you see he's got one profile at Layer II 160, one at Layer I 160, and one at Layer II 448
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[02:22:00] yaaar: word
[02:22:00] Nitro: still 12 rows
[02:22:00] rachelc: coochan: well, things playback on another machine properly, it's just this monitor
[02:22:00] Kelerion-flux: word
[02:22:00] xpis: briand: but he was modifying the livetv profile.
[02:22:00] coochan: rachelc: ah
[02:22:00] briand: xpis: right.
[02:22:00] briand: Nitro: update your pastebin
[02:22:00] xpis: briand: So the third profile shouldn't come into play.
[02:22:00] rachelc: coochan: and of course this is the big tv ;)
[02:23:00] squish102: Nitro i pasted my values as a fyi
[02:23:00] squish102: http://pastebin.ca/42500
[02:23:00] rachelc: ah, i see this error, but i don't know exactly what it means: DisplayResX: Desired Resolution and FrameRate not found.
[02:23:00] squish102: i have a pvr150 MCE
[02:23:00] coochan: rachelc: hmm
[02:23:00] rachelc: SwitchToVideo: Video size 480 x 480: xrandr failed for 852 x 480
[02:23:00] coochan: rachelc: does xrandr work for you from cmdline ?
[02:23:00] coochan: rachelc: change your xrander settings then
[02:23:00] coochan: use a supported mode I guess
[02:23:00] Nitro: briand, it's the same as my old one
[02:24:00] coochan: xrandr without arguments hsould show the supported modes
[02:24:00] briand: Nitro: no, it should show three columns now, "profile" "name" and "value" instead of only 2
[02:24:00] Nitro: oh
[02:24:00] Nitro: yeah it does
[02:24:00] Nitro: sorry, hold on
[02:24:00] briand: np
[02:25:00] rachelc: coochan: thanks, this might actually be working
[02:25:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42502
[02:25:00] briand: xpis: we can determine whether it's a "not writing correct params to database" or "not reading correct params from database" by manually setting the values in SQL ... {thinking}
[02:26:00] xpis: briand: the correct parameters are being written to the database, quite evidently.
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[02:26:00] rachelc: coochan and Captain_Murdoch: woo hoo, thanks a lot
[02:26:00] coochan: np
[02:26:00] xpis: Nitro: go into the livetv profile, and change to level 1 mpeg. Change the bitrate to 320.
[02:26:00] sanmarcos: anybody else having issues with 0.19 freezing and leaking memory on show boundaries? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/182957 is tehre a trac ticket for it?
[02:27:00] xpis: Nitro: no, better yet, 352.
[02:27:00] Kelerion-flux: sanmarcos, nope
[02:27:00] Nitro: I don't hear any sound out of 320
[02:27:00] xpis: Nitro: save the settings, then go back into the livetv profile and switch back to level II. Change the bitrate to 160.
[02:27:00] briand: xpis: I don't think so... profile 6 should be "Layer II" "160" "288" and "90", according to ivtvctl parameters...
[02:28:00] xpis: briand: I am trying to make him use a "hybrid" profile, to see how it is setting the audio setting.
[02:28:00] Nitro: back at 160
[02:28:00] Nitro: bad sound again
[02:29:00] xpis: Nitro: did you cycle through level I at 352?
[02:29:00] Nitro: yes
[02:29:00] xpis: Nitro: update your postbin.
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[02:30:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42503
[02:31:00] xpis: Now, while watching livetv, do a ivtvctl -a
[02:31:00] xpis: no need to pastebin that, just get the audio integer.
[02:32:00] Nitro: ioctl IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC ok
[02:32:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[02:32:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[02:32:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00a9
[02:32:00] xpis: are you getting bad audio?
[02:33:00] briand: xpis / Nitro : 0x00a9 decodes as Level II, 192kbps @ 4800
[02:33:00] Nitro: which should work
[02:33:00] Nitro: oh
[02:33:00] Nitro: yes I'm getting bad audio
[02:34:00] xpis: Nitro: ok.. let's try this... reduce your video bitrate.
[02:35:00] Nitro: to what
[02:35:00] Nitro: it's sitting at 4400 right now
[02:35:00] Nitro: 2200?
[02:35:00] xpis: Nitro: Something less than 4.5mbps
[02:36:00] Nitro: alright 2200
[02:36:00] Nitro: and layer 2 160?
[02:36:00] xpis: yes
[02:36:00] Nitro: still screwed sound
[02:37:00] xpis: ok, it's not your PCI bus then most likely. Put it back to 4400.
[02:37:00] xpis: Go back into livetv, and do ivtvctl -a
[02:38:00] Nitro: ioctl IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC ok
[02:38:00] Nitro: Codec parameters
[02:38:00] Nitro: aspect  : 2
[02:38:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00a9
[02:39:00] xpis: change your audio to 160kbps. (aka the third bit should be 9. That's the highest bitrate you seem to be able to do)
[02:39:00] xpis: s/bit/8-bit character/
[02:39:00] Nitro: my audio is at 160
[02:40:00] xpis: In the livetv profile?
[02:40:00] Nitro: yep
[02:40:00] xpis: Make it 160 in all profiles.
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[02:41:00] xpis: Also, check dmesg for any pci bus related errors.
[02:41:00] Nitro: 160 all profiles
[02:41:00] Nitro: sitll bad sound
[02:42:00] Nitro: What do you mean by check dmesg
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[02:42:00] xpis: dmesg | less
[02:42:00] xpis: update your pastebin and do a ivtvctl -a during livetv
[02:43:00] xpis: (your mysql mpeg audio settings dump, that is)
[02:43:00] Nitro: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12 14 15)
[02:43:00] Nitro: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15)
[02:43:00] Nitro: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15)
[02:43:00] Nitro: I see that?
[02:43:00] xpis: That's not an error
[02:43:00] xpis: anything else with "PCI" in it?
[02:43:00] briand: just means that IRQ's 9,5 and 11 were picked for something on your PCI bus...
[02:44:00] Nitro: tveeprom 1–0050: audio processor is CX25841 (idx 35)
[02:44:00] Nitro: tveeprom 1–0050: decoder processor is CX25841 (idx 28)
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[02:44:00] Nitro: ivtv0 warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use version 0x02040011 or 0x020500
[02:44:00] Nitro: 32.
[02:44:00] briand: hmm. well, it probably wouldn't hurt to use current firmware...
[02:44:00] Nitro: I don't see anything else
[02:44:00] Nitro: relating to errors
[02:45:00] Nitro: let me update my pastebin.ca with that other deal
[02:45:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42515
[02:46:00] xpis: ok, and the mysql information?
[02:46:00] xpis: (you can update existing pastebins, instead of making new ones)
[02:47:00] Nitro: sure, sorry
[02:47:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42517
[02:47:00] briand: just post the link to the (newly updated) pastebin... for those of us {blush} who already closed the window
[02:47:00] Nitro: That will be the newest one
[02:47:00] Nitro: er
[02:47:00] Nitro: only one
[02:47:00] Nitro: I'll keep updating that one
[02:47:00] xpis: 42503
[02:48:00] briand: 42503 is 18 minutes old.
[02:48:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42517
[02:48:00] Nitro: That is the newest one
[02:48:00] Nitro: I will update that one
[02:48:00] Nitro: with information you request
[02:48:00] briand: okay.. run that SQL command and put that in 42517
[02:49:00] Nitro: I did, it's on the bottom
[02:49:00] Nitro: 16 rows
[02:49:00] briand: sure enough.. my bad
[02:49:00] Nitro: this bad sound is hurting my ears, haha
[02:49:00] briand: heh
[02:49:00] Nitro: it's like a high pitched squeel
[02:50:00] Nitro: Blech
[02:50:00] xpis: Hm.. that is quite odd. It is setting it to the 'a' character even though none of the settings corresponds to it.
[02:50:00] xpis: Nitro: it's truncation in action.
[02:50:00] briand: xpis: it may be bad bitwise arithmetic
[02:51:00] briand: Nitro: stand by a sec... i'm going to have you enter some things on the SQL prompt..
[02:51:00] Nitro: sure
[02:52:00] briand: first, you can exit out of live tv and save your ears... ;)
[02:52:00] briand: then, exit out of the frontend ... and then do a 'service mythbackend stop' (in other words, myth won't be running for a little bit)
[02:53:00] briand: then, on the SQL prompt, type the following:
[02:54:00] Nitro: shoot
[02:54:00] briand: update codecparams set value='288' where name='mpeg2audbitrate1';
[02:54:00] briand: (it should say "4 rows updated")
[02:55:00] Nitro: nope
[02:55:00] briand: what did it say?
[02:55:00] Nitro: mysql> update codecparams set value='288' where name='mpeg2audbitrate1';
[02:55:00] Nitro: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.06 sec)
[02:55:00] Nitro: Rows matched: 0 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0
[02:55:00] briand: sorry.. my bad.
[02:55:00] briand: name='mpeg2audbitratel1';
[02:55:00] briand: that's L 1 at the end
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[02:55:00] Nitro: mysql> update codecparams set value='288' where name='mpeg2audbitratel1';
[02:55:00] Nitro: Query OK, 4 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[02:55:00] Nitro: Rows matched: 4 Changed: 4 Warnings: 0
[02:56:00] briand: update codecparams set value='160' where name='mpeg2audbitratel2';
[02:56:00] Nitro: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[02:56:00] Nitro: Rows matched: 4 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0
[02:56:00] briand: update codecparams set value='Layer II' where name='mpeg2audtype';
[02:57:00] Nitro: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec)
[02:57:00] Nitro: Rows matched: 4 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0
[02:57:00] briand: okay... now start up the backend `service mythbackend start`
[02:57:00] briand: start up the frontend and go into live tv
[02:57:00] Nitro: [mythtv@localhost ~]$ service mythbackend start
[02:57:00] Nitro: bash: service: command not found
[02:57:00] xpis: Nitro: /sbin/service
[02:58:00] xpis: Nitro: also.. you must be root
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[02:58:00] Nitro: yeah, I just su'ed
[02:59:00] Nitro: still bad sound
[02:59:00] briand: then, back at the SQL prompt, let's do the original query again: "select profile,name,value from codecparams where name like 'mpeg2aud%';"
[02:59:00] briand: ...and let's see what the table looks like
[02:59:00] Nitro: hrm
[02:59:00] Nitro: I tried to update my old one
[02:59:00] Nitro: and it gave me a new url
[02:59:00] briand: that's alright.
[02:59:00] Nitro: http://pastebin.ca/42523
[03:00:00] Nitro: I thought it had to be at 192 or something didn't it?
[03:01:00] Nitro: bah, xchat doesnt keep logs long enough
[03:02:00] briand: what's the output of the ivtvctl -C (audio) now? paste that directly on channel (just that one line)
[03:03:00] Nitro: audio  : 0x00a9
[03:04:00] briand: that is just weird.
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[03:04:00] briand: Nitro... use the ivtvctl -c command and set your audio to 0x0099 like we did originally (waaaaaaaay back when) and you can hear good audio
[03:05:00] xpis: Nitro: then, exit and re-enter live tv after you have audio working.
[03:06:00] briand: right. :)
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[03:06:00] Nitro: uh
[03:06:00] Nitro: h
[03:06:00] Nitro: okay hold on
[03:07:00] Nitro: okay
[03:07:00] Nitro: good now
[03:07:00] Nitro: went out went in
[03:07:00] Nitro: bad again
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[03:07:00] briand: okay.. so it's setting it back to 0x00a9, every time it accesses the tuner
[03:08:00] Nitro: I did the command again just because my ears are bleeding
[03:08:00] Nitro: if I change channels on my satellite reciever
[03:08:00] Nitro: it stays good
[03:09:00] Nitro: even though the video changed
[03:09:00] Nitro: but that probably has nothing to do with it
[03:09:00] briand: Nitro: that's because myth is still accessing the card in the same manner...
[03:09:00] Nitro: ah
[03:09:00] briand: but when you exit/re-enter live tv, it resets the "bad" value in there.
[03:09:00] Nitro: That's so strange.
[03:10:00] xpis: Nitro: what motherboard do you have?
[03:10:00] Nitro: Damned if I know, some old s478, gigabyte I believe
[03:10:00] xpis: Nitro: what processor? (family)
[03:10:00] Nitro: Pentum 4
[03:10:00] xpis: which core?
[03:11:00] xpis: (Northwood, etc)
[03:11:00] briand: I'm running a Pundit (socket 478) with a Celeron (Prescott)
[03:11:00] Nitro: um.
[03:11:00] Nitro: I belive northwood
[03:11:00] Nitro: believe*
[03:11:00] briand: i'll brb.
[03:11:00] xpis: Do you have a free PCI slot?
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[03:12:00] Nitro: well it's damn close to the agp card
[03:12:00] xpis: Nitro: while this is a mythtv bug, in that it seems to limit your choices in audio bitrate, this is really a PCI bus issue that it won't let you use higher bitrates.
[03:12:00] Nitro: it might be able to fit, but my agp fan is going to be blowing directly on my 150
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[03:13:00] Nitro: Would changing the audo / 150 around change anything?
[03:13:00] Nitro: audio**
[03:13:00] xpis: You can try just taking it out and reinserting it.
[03:13:00] xpis: Make sure it is firmly seated in the slot.
[03:13:00] Nitro: should I try the other slot
[03:13:00] xpis: Also, make sure the slot is undamaged.
[03:14:00] Nitro: alright i'll be back in a minute
[03:14:00] xpis: ok
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[03:14:00] xpis: I'll be trying to figure out why mythtv is limited to audio bitrates >160
[03:15:00] sean33: hi
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[03:15:00] Nitro: other box
[03:15:00] xpis: Nitro: I'll be trying to figure out why mythtv is limited to audio bitrates >160
[03:15:00] sean33: i have games now apearing in the mame list but i cant seem to run any of them ?
[03:15:00] Nitro: alright
[03:16:00] xpis: sean33: that would be a mame issue... Check your mame settings/parameters.
[03:16:00] sean33: is there any way to get it to log some where what the error is ?
[03:17:00] xpis: sean33: not really.
[03:18:00] xpis: sean33: try running mame from outside of myth.
[03:18:00] Nitro: alright
[03:18:00] Nitro: so I can move my sound card to the open slot
[03:18:00] Nitro: and move my 150 to the sound card slot
[03:19:00] Nitro: would that be sufficient?
[03:19:00] briand: Nitro: sure.. worth a try.
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[03:21:00] Nitro: alright booting
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[03:22:00] Nitro: I probably shouldn't have switched to this machine while booting, I think it missed my mouse, haha
[03:23:00] xpis: briand: btw, the code concerning the mpeg card bitrates is in mpegrecorder.cpp (libmythtv)
[03:23:00] xpis: briand: and the default is 384kbps.
[03:23:00] xpis: briand: (aka setting #14)
[03:24:00] briand: yeah.. i had just found that (directory-wide greppin')
[03:24:00] Nitro: still bad sound
[03:24:00] Nitro: even with switched pci slots
[03:24:00] Nitro: I moved the 150 into the empty slot
[03:24:00] Nitro: under the video card
[03:24:00] xpis: briand: here we go...
[03:24:00] xpis: if (audbitratel2 < 10)
[03:24:00] xpis: audbitratel2 = 10;
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[03:24:00] Nitro: using the command to get good sound still works
[03:24:00] xpis: briand: setting 10 is 192
[03:24:00] briand: yep.. now, i wonder why he did that?
[03:25:00] Nitro: did what?
[03:25:00] xpis: briand: so... that's our problem.
[03:25:00] Nitro: what's this? is this a breakthrough?
[03:25:00] briand: it's a mythtv problem, yeah.. not "our" because I'm not on the dev team. ;)
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[03:25:00] Nitro: hm
[03:26:00] xpis: briand: "our" would apply because we are trying to figure out the problem.
[03:26:00] briand: ah.. 'kay. ;)
[03:26:00] xpis: briand: since we have "adopted" the problem, that makes it ours, at least to some extent.
[03:26:00] Nitro: So does this mean I am officialy out of luck on all fronts?
[03:26:00] briand: no, not exactly.
[03:27:00] Nitro: Maybe I could bind the blue button on my remote to that command
[03:27:00] briand: it means we (well, xpis) found out why you can't set it to 160 like we want to
[03:27:00] xpis: Nitro: no, it means you'll have to apply a patch.
[03:27:00] Nitro: I could do that I think
[03:27:00] Nitro: I appreciate the work you guys have been doing
[03:27:00] Nitro: I really really appreciate it.
[03:27:00] Nitro: I'm sorry if I have been slow throughout the whole thing
[03:27:00] xpis: Nitro: have you rebooted the machine yet, after reinserting the PCI card?
[03:27:00] Nitro: Nope
[03:28:00] Nitro: I'm just sitting in the frontend now
[03:28:00] briand: Nitro: it's a hobby.... that turned into a career. I play with databases all day long... and programming/databases/linux/mythtv/etc/etc in my spare time.
[03:28:00] briand: believe it or not, this is considered "fun" for me.
[03:28:00] Nitro: haha
[03:28:00] briand: no, seriously.
[03:29:00] Nitro: I believe you :D
[03:29:00] xpis: Nitro: you haven't been having fun? :P
[03:29:00] briand: heheh
[03:29:00] Nitro: I've been having a blast
[03:29:00] xpis: Nitro: did you compile yourself?
[03:30:00] Nitro: nah, it came from yum's myth-suite
[03:30:00] xpis: you mean atrpms (yuk) myth suite.
[03:30:00] briand: xpis is not a fan of atrpms...
[03:31:00] ** Nitro blushes **
[03:31:00] ** Nitro runs **
[03:31:00] briand: Nitro: no biggie... my 0.18.1 install was from atrpms.. and when i tried to install 0.19 from source... well, let's just say it "wasn't pretty"
[03:32:00] squish102: Nitro, what tuner card u got again?
[03:32:00] Nitro: heh
[03:32:00] Nitro: Hauppauge 150
[03:32:00] squish102: MCE or nonMCE
[03:32:00] briand: Nitro: ...which is not to say it was all an "atrpms problem" ... certainly not.
[03:33:00] Nitro: squish102: nonmce I believe
[03:33:00] Nitro: came with remote and blaster
[03:33:00] xpis: briand/Nitro: atrpms installs packages that don't need to be installed, and the ones that are installed have bad dependencies. This can make installing other RPM packages difficult to impossible.
[03:33:00] squish102: i have just gone through a fresh FC4 install an yum install myth-suite (0.19) with a PVR 150 MCE
[03:34:00] Nitro: lucky you
[03:34:00] squish102: and have no sound issues
[03:34:00] briand: xpis: yes, which i suffered through... but my problem was exacerbated by the fact that my apt-get setup was somewhat hosed, too...
[03:34:00] squish102: but i do have a strip down left side of recording :(
[03:34:00] xpis: Nitro: has reinserting the card done anything?
[03:35:00] Nitro: No, it continues on the "bad sound" until I do that command
[03:35:00] Nitro: hold on, rebooting to get my mouse back
[03:35:00] briand: where'd your mouse go?
[03:35:00] xpis: Well.. you could compile from source and patch it to use mode "9".
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[03:36:00] xpis: Or, you could take the binary and disassemble it. Then NOOP the code that disables the mode you need.
[03:36:00] xpis: (no compile needed)
[03:36:00] Nitro: briand: I'm using a kvm, I changed machines while it was booting
[03:37:00] Nitro: and it figured I had no mouse
[03:37:00] briand: ah.
[03:37:00] Nitro: so now I'm just back
[03:37:00] Nitro: I wonder
[03:38:00] Nitro: can you identify to a nickname on this network without being on the specific nickname?
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[03:38:00] briand: xpis: heh... do you know the offset in the binary for that if(audbitratel2 < 10) audbitratel2 = 10; section?  ;)
[03:38:00] briand: Nitro: yes.
[03:39:00] briand: you'd type '/nickserv identify <password> <nickname associated with password>
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[03:39:00] xpis: briand: no, that would be like finding a needle in a barn full of hay.
[03:39:00] briand: xpis: indeed. i was being facetious.
[03:39:00] briand: thus, the smiley. ;)
[03:40:00] Nitro: briand: That command just said that the nick I was on is not registered
[03:40:00] Nitro: I have nitro registered, but I would liek to have this client on and my other client on
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[03:40:00] xpis: Nitro: link the two nicknames
[03:40:00] Nitro``: Actually, I forgot this channel doesn't force you to identify
[03:40:00] xpis: Nitro: register Nitro`` and link it to Nitro
[03:41:00] xpis: Keep in mind that privmsgs to people are disabled if you aren't registered.
[03:41:00] briand: well, you would be forced to identify if you were a chanop and wanted to be opped by chanserv when you entered the channel... but otherwise, no.
[03:41:00] Nitro``: Well some other channels I have visited on this network forced me to identify before I could speak
[03:41:00] Nitro``: but that's fine, I just linked to nitro, that was fairly painless
[03:41:00] Nitro: I'm used to more of an account system
[03:42:00] xpis: The thing is that other people are using the exact same card on the exact same setup without issue.
[03:43:00] briand: yeah, that's really strange...
[03:43:00] xpis: The only difference would be your motherboard.
[03:43:00] briand: ..and you're not seeing anything in 'dmesg' about an error or warning of any kind?
[03:43:00] Nitro: nope
[03:44:00] xpis: I've had issues like this before. It is caused by the motherboard not being capable of full throughput.
[03:44:00] briand: hmm.
[03:44:00] briand: latency issues?
[03:44:00] Nitro: something you figure that's in the bios?
[03:44:00] xpis: In my case, it was due to the card itself not supporting full throughput.
[03:45:00] briand: Nitro: do you get a message about "unreasonably low latency" anywhere in dmesg?
[03:45:00] xpis: Are there specs on the bandwidth requirements of the PVR150?
[03:45:00] Nitro: briand: nope
[03:45:00] nasa: briand: I have seen those messages...
[03:46:00] briand: ivtv usually sets the latency to 64, if it's not already
[03:46:00] briand: but to answer your question, I don't know the exact bandwith requirements for any of the capture cards
[03:47:00] Nitro``: oh wait
[03:47:00] Nitro``: hold on
[03:47:00] Nitro``: I see something here
[03:47:00] Nitro``: ivtv0: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card (cx23416 based)
[03:47:00] Nitro``: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:09.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[03:47:00] Nitro``: ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)
[03:47:00] Nitro``: ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=tveeprom, addr=50]
[03:48:00] briand: ...but no error saying that it _couldn't_ set it to 64, so that shouldn't be a problem..
[03:48:00] squish102: ivtv0: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card (cx23416 based)
[03:48:00] squish102: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.0[A] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ
[03:48:00] squish102: 5
[03:48:00] squish102: ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)
[03:48:00] squish102: Nitro that is in mine 2
[03:49:00] Nitro: that's the only thing I see in dmesg about low latency
[03:50:00] xpis: Nitro: do you have the exact model of your motherboard? (preferably a link to the spec sheet)
[03:52:00] Nitro: gb-asimlh
[03:53:00] Nitro: er
[03:53:00] Nitro: 8
[03:53:00] Nitro: not A
[03:53:00] Nitro: gigabyte
[03:53:00] Nitro: revision 2
[03:53:00] Nitro: http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-8SIMLH.htm
[03:55:00] xpis: ok, thanks
[03:56:00] xpis: It's definately not a PCI bus capability issue
[03:56:00] xpis: It says they are PCI 2.2 complient.
[03:56:00] briand: dunno.. seems odd.
[03:57:00] briand: nitro... what are you doing with the audio? where does it go (and how) when it leaves your mythtv box?
[03:57:00] xpis: It could be that linux has issues with this motherboard.
[03:57:00] Nitro``: what do you mean briand
[03:57:00] Nitro``: like the settings in the frontend?
[03:57:00] briand: i mean, is it just a plain-jane connection to your home theater amp or into your television, or something different?
[03:58:00] xpis: Nitro: are you running the botched Fedora 2.6.15 kernel?
[03:58:00] Nitro``: It goes from mythtv, to my audigy 2 ,which outputs via spdif into my Logitech Z-5500 system
[03:58:00] briand: xpis: if that were so, i'd expect to see *something* in /var/log/messages (and/or dmesg) generated during the bootup
[03:58:00] briand: ah. spdif.
[03:58:00] Nitro``: xchat:2.4.3:Linux 2.6.15–1.1831_FC4 [i686/2.41GHz]
[03:58:00] xpis: yep.. you have the botched kernel
[03:58:00] xpis: yum update kernel
[03:59:00] Nitro``: how did I manage that
[03:59:00] Nitro``: heh
[03:59:00] briand: heheh.. now, ask me again why I still have FC3 on my mythbox...
[03:59:00] briand: (if it ain't broke...)
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[03:59:00] xpis: SOMEONE remind me to always ask the exact kernel version whenever anyone even mentions the word fedora.
[04:00:00] Nitro``: Could not find update match for kernel
[04:00:00] Nitro``: No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion
[04:00:00] briand: 2.6.12–1.1381_FC3 here, for sake of argument
[04:00:00] briand: ;)
[04:01:00] xpis: Fedora has botched the initial 2.6.14 release, 2.6.15 release, AND the xorg packages shipped with FC4.
[04:01:00] Nitro``: Grr.
[04:02:00] Nitro``: so what options am I left with
[04:02:00] xpis: Nitro``: run sound directly through your soundcard, patch mythtv
[04:03:00] xpis: And you can decide for yourself whether you would rather disassemble or compile.
[04:03:00] Nitro``: Which do you think would be best
[04:03:00] xpis: compiling would be best, but it would require nixing your current setup.
[04:04:00] xpis: And it would require a journey through (at)RPM hell.
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[04:04:00] Nitro: How about a new distro
[04:05:00] xpis: Even more work.
[04:05:00] Nitro: well by nixing your current setup what does that mean
[04:05:00] briand: and Nitro / Nitro`` .. and anyone else who has been paying attention or logging... it is NOT advised to willy-nilly type SQL commands to make changes to any of the tables in mythconverg, despite the seeminly cavalier attitude that I may have exhibited in doing so. You can totally bork a MythTV installation in less than a second if you type the wrong thing. (ie, don't do it.)
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[04:06:00] briand: in other words: "These actions were performed by trained professionals. Do not attempt this at home."
[04:06:00] yaaar: anybody have tips on improving performance? my box is my normal desktop machine, and it looks like i'm thrashing the memory pretty bad a lot of the time and getting choppiness....
[04:07:00] Nitro: So I'm guessing there is no way to fix what I have now easily? I'm willing to spend the time doing it, I just don't know where to start
[04:07:00] xpis: Nitro: can you run the sound through your soundcard?
[04:08:00] xpis: Nitro: then, you can software encode it.
[04:08:00] Nitro: The last time I tried that I got sync errors
[04:08:00] Nitro: but I could try
[04:08:00] xpis: Is anyone else using ivtv/PVR 150 with the latest Fedora .15 kernel?
[04:08:00] briand: Nitro: you might browse thru Jarod's tutorial, in the 'tips and tricks' section, regarding changing to a compiled (it says from CVS, but now it'd be SVN) MythTV installation... but that's an evening's work, or more, for those not used to it.
[04:08:00] Nitro: How would I set it to run through my audigy now instead of the hauppauge.
[04:09:00] xpis: Nitro: with a cable
[04:09:00] Nitro: no I mean setting wise
[04:09:00] xpis: Nitro: there should be an audio out port on the PVR150, either on the outside or a pin connection on the inside.
[04:09:00] Nitro``: uh, what?
[04:09:00] xpis: Nitro: change the audio source in mythtv-setup
[04:10:00] xpis: Nitro: you must physically connect the PVR150 to your sound card first.
[04:10:00] xpis: brb
[04:10:00] briand: xpis: audio out on the pvr-150?? isn't a capture-only card?
[04:10:00] briand: s/a/it a/g
[04:10:00] xpis: briand: wouldn't the tuner have an audio output?
[04:10:00] Nitro``: I thought you were talking about having audio in via my audigy 2
[04:11:00] Nitro``: the tuner has an input
[04:11:00] briand: xpis: it has an input (video and audio)... but no outputs
[04:11:00] xpis: then I guess that is not an option.
[04:11:00] briand: the pvr-350 has the output (and hardware decoding)
[04:11:00] xpis: briand: there are no CD audio out pins on the card itself?
[04:12:00] Nitro: no
[04:12:00] briand: there's a couple headers on my PVR-500MCE ... but I never really looked at the spec sheet to see what was on them.
[04:12:00] briand: ...but i always figured they were "extra" composite video/stereo audio in ports.
[04:13:00] xpis: I thought all Hauppauge PVR cards had audio out pins for connecting to a sound card
[04:14:00] sean33: i have pin headers on my pvr-150's too and no idea what the pins are for
[04:14:00] briand: no.. i think you're thinking of getting "complete" audio (system + in-stream audio) working on PVR-350 systems.. need to build a patch cable to go from audio-out to soundcard line-in
[04:14:00] sean33: they were oem and had little to no documentation
[04:14:00] briand: pvr-150 system.. video-in, audio-in to the card... output is to video card and sound card.
[04:15:00] sean33: i thought they are probabaly for IR connection
[04:15:00] briand: sean33: if the card supports an ir receiver, there's a separate 3/32nds jack on the back of the card.
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[04:16:00] sean33: the header im talking about is umm about 9–12 pins in a line on a connector on the top of the card
[04:16:00] Nitro: So how would I go about patching mythtv
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[04:17:00] briand: yeah... that's for second composite video in and second stereo line in, i'm pretty sure, sean33
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[04:17:00] briand: Nitro: first, you'd need to have a "source install" of MythTV ... ie: built from source, rather than installing a package (like atrpms)
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[04:18:00] Nitro: arg
[04:18:00] Nitro: So I'm pretty much hooped
[04:18:00] sean33: briand so they have 2 seperate compsite inputs hmmm how cool , any idea where i can find a pin signal spec ?
[04:18:00] Nitro: Would there be any other distros that would work better? gentoo, etc?
[04:18:00] briand: sean33: actually, if you hunt around, you can find the "secondary input adapter" for your card...
[04:19:00] nasa: Nitro: don't worry about it — compiling from svn is rather painless
[04:19:00] sean33: i dont actualy need the IR anyways i have Imon working perfectly with a VFD display :P
[04:19:00] briand: sean33: basically, it sits in the space for an adapter card and a cable plugs into the header on your pvr-150
[04:20:00] Nitro: hrm, I've read that it's usually a pain and results in failure. Can I do it with this current distro (remember I already have all these things installed from the atrpms)
[04:20:00] yaaar: is there anything i can do to improve performance on a system with memory issues? i've got 256MB, and use the machine to do other things while I'm running myth. it tends to get pretty choppy...
[04:20:00] briand: sean33: and the slot-cover will have three RCA style sockets on it — yellow, red, and white. yellow = composite video, red = right channel audio, white = left channel audio
[04:20:00] briand: yaaar: yes. install more memory.
[04:20:00] briand: :)
[04:20:00] yaaar: system is a p4–2.4G, 256M ram, pvr-150
[04:20:00] sean33: hmmm interesting yea that was basicly what i was going to make up when i got the spec , being an electronics tech i have the ability to make up things like this
[04:20:00] yaaar: briand: well, right.....but software-wise...
[04:21:00] nasa: Nitro: 'rpm -e --nodeps " is your friend
[04:21:00] briand: sean33: well, i hear ya.. i'm an electronics engineer by education, and a software engineer by trade...
[04:21:00] sean33: i am actualy a reseller of these have not seen this connector with the distrubutor but i will ask them
[04:21:00] Nitro: Is there a walkthrough or something that I can follow along for reassurance instead of bits and piece of information from all sources
[04:22:00] sean33: im an electronics engineer too but i dont do much engineering these days
[04:22:00] briand: sean33: you could try hunting around for the pinout of the header, then build up your own secondary composite input card, or wire it into the case somwhere without taking up a card slot...
[04:22:00] nasa: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html
[04:23:00] nasa: After uninstalling all the ATRPMS
[04:23:00] briand: nasa: actually, you needn't uninstall -all- the atrpms...
[04:23:00] Nitro: How would I uninstall whats needed
[04:23:00] Nitro``: I guess I'll kill the backend
[04:23:00] Nitro``: heh
[04:24:00] briand: you _could_ just use rpm – e to remove selected packages, rather than the entire suite
[04:24:00] sean33: while its good to know whats on the pins I have 2 150's and realy dont at this stage need more inputs :)
[04:24:00] briand: but, to set up a system that'll compile myth, you'll need a buncha other stuff...
[04:24:00] Nitro``: so rpm -e mythtv-suite
[04:24:00] Nitro``: heh
[04:25:00] briand: sean33: i hear ya. I've got a PVR-350 (two composite and one s-video input already) and a PVR-500MCE (two more composite and two more s-video inputs) on my system... and I don't use any of 'em.
[04:25:00] briand: no no no
[04:25:00] Nitro``: then just having to compile dependancies like mad
[04:25:00] Nitro``: lnonon?
[04:25:00] sean33: i only got 150's for the onboard encoders they will be connected to two digital settop foxtel cable boxes as soon as i can figure out how to change channel on them via the serial port
[04:26:00] briand: "rpm -e" would be used to remove specific packages (*.rpm) from your installation... if you want to "start over" you can `yum remove mythtv-suite` and then start over from scratch building up a "from source" setup
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[04:26:00] briand: sean33: IRBlaster.  :)
[04:27:00] Nitro``: At this point would that be the best thing to do? I don't see what the point is in removing specific packages as I don't know what is wrong or what is right
[04:27:00] Nitro``: or I could remove just mythtv? and compile it, see if that fixes the problem?
[04:27:00] Nitro``: but I would still need the patch
[04:27:00] briand: sean33: but then, if you're on digital cable, why didn't you go with a couple DVB-C cards instead?
[04:28:00] briand: Nitro``: and you'd still need all the libs/etc that are required to compile mythtv
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[04:28:00] briand: eg: lame-devel, qt-devel, etc
[04:28:00] sean33: DVB-c ? digital bradcast ?
[04:28:00] nasa: Nitro: use "rpm -qa | grep myth" to find what ATRPMS are installed for myth then "rpm -e --nodeps" each one of those. Then follow instructions from link
[04:28:00] briand: sean33: DVB-C = Digital Video Broadcast – Cable
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[04:28:00] Nitro``: ah jesus christ
[04:28:00] briand: sean33: -T is Terrestrial (local hdtv, etc) and -S is Satellite
[04:29:00] sean33: the settop box is connected to the foxtel cable , and encripted the digtial foxtel box decodes it and spits out composite
[04:29:00] Nitro``: okay I'll do that
[04:29:00] nasa: Nitro: I would walk you through this — but it late here, and I have to work in the morning..
[04:29:00] Nitro``: ill report back when they're removed
[04:29:00] Nitro``: I can follow that link I think
[04:29:00] Nitro``: but I'm still confused, would I need that patch you guys were talking about
[04:29:00] Nitro``: to fix the sound?
[04:29:00] briand: likewise... nearing 11:30 pm here.. and I'm up and out of hte house at 0630
[04:30:00] briand: Nitro: yes.
[04:30:00] Nitro``: is that something you would have to make?
[04:30:00] briand: but, after you've got the source install going at least as good as what you have now...
[04:30:00] nasa: Nitro: one set at a time. Get your souce install going — then worry about a patch
[04:30:00] briand: i (or xpis) could make the patch for you, or tell you what to edit in what file)
[04:31:00] Nitro``: Are you going to be around tomorrow night?
[04:31:00] briand: most likely, unless an asteriod hits my car on the drive home.
[04:31:00] xpis: btw, I'm back.
[04:31:00] Nitro``: how long are you around for xpis
[04:31:00] xpis: tonight – 10 more minutes
[04:31:00] briand: welcome back, xpis ... and g'nite.. i'm just about outta here.
[04:32:00] xpis: did you find anything that might explain his sound reverting to 8 bits?
[04:32:00] briand: nope.
[04:32:00] briand: unless that's all that his spdif card can handle as input...
[04:33:00] xpis: hm.. we need to figure out what the actual bits per sample is of the mpeg l2 audio stream
[04:33:00] nasa: nite fellows
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[04:33:00] xpis: Does that avi sample contain non-transcoded video and sound?
[04:33:00] briand: anyway.. i'll tune in tomorrow night... Nitro, xpis, et al... have a good evening/night...
[04:34:00] Nitro``: You too
[04:34:00] Nitro``: I'll be back tomorrow night
[04:34:00] Nitro``: hopefully with a working mythtv setup from scratch via that link
[04:34:00] briand: 'k.  :)
[04:34:00] briand: g'nite all, then...
[04:34:00] ** briand waves... **
[04:34:00] sean33: bye
[04:34:00] xpis: ok, cya
[04:34:00] sean33: sorry i was caught on the phone
[04:35:00] sean33: this DVB-C card could it decrypt foxtel ?
[04:36:00] sean33: im thinking with out a settop box no
[04:36:00] briand: decrypt? not if it is, indeed, encrypted. but if it's just standard MPEG2 video stream, then it'll tune it.
[04:37:00] briand: we can talk more about it tomorrow... i gotta get some sleep
[04:37:00] briand: ~~
[04:37:00] sean33: any sugested brands that work ?
[04:37:00] briand: google 'DVB-C'  ;)
[04:37:00] sean33: i will research
[04:37:00] Nitro``: [root@localhost mythtv]# rpm -qa | grep myth
[04:37:00] Nitro``: [root@localhost mythtv]#
[04:37:00] Nitro``: heh
[04:37:00] briand: and Hauppauge is always a safe bet, it seems.
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[04:44:00] xpis: Nitro: nix'd!
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[04:46:00] jnunez: Is there a method to hookup two MythTV masters and share recordings?
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[04:55:00] Octane: is there a way to change the mysql port that mythtv uses
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[04:59:00] Nitro``: ./configure: line 2958: qmake: command not found
[04:59:00] Nitro``: That's not good.
[05:01:00] Nitro``: where can I grab qmake from
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[05:12:00] Octane: anyone here successfully use mythweb to stream nuv's?
[05:12:00] Octane: when i open a URL in wmp it stalls
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[05:13:00] Octane: i think i need to give mythtv ds access to mysql
[05:14:00] euphobot: hello I am having trouble w/ OpenFile — myth can t start cuz it can open a .mpg
[05:14:00] euphobot: this is with .19
[05:15:00] euphobot: is there a command to check the recordings disk
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[05:17:00] euphobot: helo
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[05:18:00] euphobot: helo
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[05:19:00] jnunez: euphobot: I don't have .19
[05:19:00] jnunez: Octane: I just stream mpeg4 files I never tried nuvs into WMP
[05:19:00] euphobot: thanks I think I am looking for a gnu command
[05:19:00] jnunez: euphobot: stat?
[05:20:00] jnunez: stat will give to the status of a file
[05:21:00] ph10: hi
[05:21:00] euphobot: what about the whole directory?
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[05:23:00] ph10: has anyone here had to do any bitrate conversions for thier audio in order to get good quality audio in mythtv?
[05:24:00] ph10: with .asoundrc or something?
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[05:25:00] ph10: i've got squelchy audio both with the line out of my tv capturecard (bt878 wintv go), and with the digital capture in btaudio
[05:25:00] ph10: but regular tv apps the audio is ok
[05:25:00] Nitro``: ph10,
[05:25:00] Nitro``: does it sound like this
[05:25:00] Nitro``: http://enos.ehpg.net/~nitro/sound.avi
[05:26:00] ph10: hm.. this should be interesting..
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[05:26:00] ph10: ah yes
[05:26:00] Nitro``: Welcome to a world of pain my friend
[05:26:00] ph10: heh
[05:26:00] Nitro``: Do you have livetv running right now
[05:27:00] ph10: yippee \o/
[05:27:00] ph10: am i running myth you mean?
[05:27:00] Nitro``: are you running the frontend with a video
[05:27:00] ph10: not atm..
[05:27:00] ph10: i can
[05:27:00] Nitro``: start it up
[05:28:00] Octane: anyone here still use fc3 and has a solid source.list they're willing to share?
[05:28:00] Nitro``: then when you have a video and that squelchy sound
[05:28:00] Octane: half the servers in mine are dead
[05:28:00] Nitro``: do this command in a seperate shell window
[05:28:00] Nitro``: ivtvctl -c audio=0x0099
[05:28:00] Nitro``: I bet you a million dollars your sound goes back to normal, but it won't stay like that
[05:29:00] ph10: k
[05:29:00] ph10: sec
[05:29:00] Nitro``: once you leave livetv
[05:29:00] Nitro``: and go back in, the squelch will be back
[05:30:00] Nitro``: I was here all night diagnosing the exact same problem with a couple of smart guys
[05:32:00] Nitro``: let me know if it works
[05:32:00] Nitro``: if it does, you're in the same position as me
[05:32:00] ph10: what is ivtvctl?
[05:32:00] Nitro``: it's the control module for ivtv
[05:33:00] ph10: i don't think i have ivtv
[05:33:00] Nitro``: uh
[05:33:00] Nitro``: oh, maybe you don't
[05:33:00] Nitro``: You don't have a hauppauge card
[05:33:00] ph10: i do
[05:34:00] Nitro``: then you must have ivtv
[05:43:00] defaultro: hey Nitro
[05:43:00] defaultro: I've seen you here all day :D
[05:44:00] Nitro``: I'm amazing like that
[05:45:00] euphobot: my .19 has a new problem
[05:45:00] euphobot: Invalid file (fd 27) when opening '/video/recordings/1051_20060220214255.mpg'
[05:48:00] Shdwdrgn: is there any choice other than zap2it to get listings in the USA?
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[05:53:00] Octane: lol i think im the only one who still uses fc3 lol
[05:54:00] euphobot: fc5 is scheduled release in 30 days
[06:03:00] Octane: i know
[06:03:00] Octane: when its out ill redo my mythbox
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[06:03:00] Octane: unless i choose to go to ubuntu or something
[06:05:00] PoeticIntensity: HI, all...
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[06:05:00] PoeticIntensity: I just upgraded my box and now I'm getting something weird every time I load "mythbackend"
[06:05:00] PoeticIntensity: 2006-02–20 23:04:34.427 Channel(/dev/v4l/video0)::SetColourAttribute(): failed to set controls, error: No such device
[06:05:00] PoeticIntensity: anyone have a clue, or pointers as to what could be the cause?
[06:06:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm using ivtv 0.4.2
[06:06:00] PoeticIntensity: PVR-250
[06:06:00] PoeticIntensity: never had problems with it before, and google doesn't bring much help.
[06:06:00] PoeticIntensity: using gentoo.
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[06:07:00] Nitro``: is something using your device
[06:07:00] Nitro``: or is it even there
[06:07:00] PoeticIntensity: I've checked and the device is there... and it's not being used.
[06:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: using the ebuild? I think it's because gentoo used to run Myth as root, now it runs as some user and the user it's running as doesn't have perms on /dev/v4l/video.
[06:07:00] PoeticIntensity: and the permissions...... hmmm...
[06:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: somebody in here was talking about that the other day.
[06:07:00] PoeticIntensity: yeah... I read through the logs....
[06:07:00] PoeticIntensity: it seemed his problem had to do with the modprobe.conf.
[06:08:00] Shdwdrgn: arg mysql drives me nuts... it won't let me add user myth
[06:08:00] PoeticIntensity: but I couldn't find anything wrong with mine.
[06:08:00] PoeticIntensity: argh..
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: something else interesting...
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: ivtvctl -a gives the same errors mythtv does.
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: error getting ctrl Brightness
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: error getting ctrl Contrast
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: error getting ctrl Saturation
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: error getting ctrl Hue
[06:09:00] PoeticIntensity: so... that leads me to believe it's not a myth issue...
[06:10:00] PoeticIntensity: but I was just hoping someone else had the same problem and could point me in some direction to resolution.
[06:10:00] PoeticIntensity: I'm using myth.18.1, BTW.
[06:11:00] flindet: hi, is anyone here able to browse movies in mythflix and add them to their queue? I can't find the option to add them to the queue
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[06:18:00] ph10: nitro: i see some libs in the mythtv directory for ivtv.. but nothing else
[06:18:00] ph10: i had to go afk for a bit
[06:19:00] ph10: do i need to install that? i'm using the snd-bt87x module for my card right now
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[06:37:00] wakko: Hello folks
[06:37:00] wakko: Just got KnoppMyth working – WOW – that was easy!
[06:38:00] wakko: does anyone have experience getting a DirecTV reciever working via the serial port?
[06:40:00] defaultro: Octane?
[06:40:00] wakko: ?
[06:40:00] defaultro: Octane, I'm still on FC3 too. If ain't broke, don't fix it :D
[06:41:00] Octane: defaultro can you send me your sources.list
[06:41:00] wakko: ah – sorry
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[06:42:00] defaultro: huh?
[06:42:00] defaultro: what is sources.list?
[06:43:00] Shdwdrgn: what's it take to get DataDirect to work? I've got a login on the website, but myth can't seem to connect
[06:44:00] Octane: defaultro: do you ever upgrade your installation with apt-get?
[06:44:00] defaultro: nope
[06:44:00] defaultro: I always use tar.gz files
[06:45:00] Octane: okay, never mind then :-D
[06:45:00] defaultro: to me, updating or installing via tools like that is like destroying my system :P
[06:46:00] defaultro: what's your issue right now?
[06:47:00] Octane: defaultro im tring ot upgrade to .19 but i need to upgrade a bunch of other binaries
[06:47:00] Octane: unfortunately many of them are not found on the servers... which indicates to me im using old ones and need ot update it
[06:47:00] defaultro: try the .tar.gz files, it's much more easier :)
[06:48:00] defaultro: with tar.gz files, you don't have to wait for those packagers to package it for you
[06:50:00] sean33: having some issues getting xmame going :(
[06:50:00] sean33: says : xmame glide error cant open /dev/3dfx
[06:51:00] sean33: and also seems to have problems finding the roms
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[06:52:00] Octane: defaultro good idea
[06:57:00] defaultro: hey guys, i asked this earlier. How do we enable or implement parental control on a recorded show?
[06:58:00] Captain_Murdoch: defaultro: only way is to make a password protected Recording Group and put the show in that recgroup.
[06:59:00] Captain_Murdoch: mythvideo supports parental levels on videos, but MythTV doesn't have anything like that right now.
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[07:12:00] CrazyP: can mythtv automagically remove commercials?
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[07:14:00] dasOp: nah, but it can try to flag them
[07:14:00] CrazyP: okay, and what does flagging them do?
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[07:16:00] Captain_Murdoch: makes it so that you can skip them during playback
[07:17:00] dasOp: or remove them when transcoding
[07:17:00] CrazyP: okay.
[07:17:00] CrazyP: that was my next question was about transcoding... hehe
[07:17:00] dasOp: see, its not that easy to detect commercials 100%
[07:17:00] CrazyP: yeah, i know.
[07:18:00] dasOp: you'd be sad if it saved a commercial and removed 10 mins of the new 24/lost/whatever
[07:18:00] CrazyP: Yeah, that'd sucked.
[07:18:00] CrazyP: i just finished watching 24 :)
[07:18:00] dasOp: which is why it's called commflagging
[07:18:00] dasOp: it flags commercials
[07:19:00] CrazyP: you guys transcode your stuff?
[07:19:00] CrazyP: i just recorded an 1hr show, and its like 2.2 gigs,so kinda makes sense eh
[07:19:00] dasOp: not me, I dont have an mpeg2 card
[07:19:00] CrazyP: can it do it on the fly?
[07:19:00] dasOp: so I have to encode it straight away
[07:19:00] Captain_Murdoch: I transcode down my HDTV recordings down so I can watch them on my slow frontend on a regular TV
[07:19:00] CrazyP: i got a pvr250, that has the mpeg2 encoding ya?
[07:19:00] Captain_Murdoch: yes
[07:20:00] dasOp: yeah, you get an mpeg2 feed from it
[07:20:00] CrazyP: so, how do i get it to encode to mpeg2?
[07:20:00] defaultro: Captain_Murdoch, thanks for the idea regarding password Protected Recording Group
[07:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: only thing the pvr-250 will do is mpeg2 or mpeg1 (I think).
[07:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: defaultro: yw. I added that when I created the Recording Groups because I figured people might want to use it to keep some things out of their kids view. :)
[07:21:00] defaultro: do we create the password protected recording group in mythfrontend?
[07:23:00] CrazyP: hrmm i think mine is doing mpeg2, from what i can tell...
[07:23:00] sanmarcos: i hate all those fuckers that watch lost and are not hardcore fans
[07:23:00] sanmarcos: they can go to hell
[07:24:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, hah i actually live in hawaii, seen some of the cast around at times.
[07:24:00] sanmarcos: so?
[07:24:00] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, just move the recording into the group and then change to that group and use the MENU key to popup the menu and choose "change group password" then you'll have to type in that password to view that group from then on.
[07:24:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, i dunno was just saying...
[07:24:00] defaultro: ok, I will go to setup now to create a recording group. Right?
[07:25:00] sanmarcos: anyways does 0.19 lock up on show bounderies CrazyP ?
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[07:25:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, no clue, i've only used mythtv since last night heh
[07:26:00] Captain_Murdoch: defaultro: no, just highlight the recording in the Watch Recordings screen, hit the INFO key, select Recording Options, then Change Recording Group, then type in the new group name in the edit box
[07:27:00] Captain_Murdoch: CrazyP: have you seen these two? :) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html
[07:28:00] CrazyP: Captain_Murdoch, i've seent he mug shots, but not them in person
[07:28:00] Captain_Murdoch: :) that site is pretty funny.
[07:28:00] sanmarcos: cynthia wathros is so hot
[07:28:00] sanmarcos: shrinks turn me on..
[07:29:00] defaultro: Ok
[07:29:00] sanmarcos: althouhg in that mugshot she is totally wasted
[07:29:00] Captain_Murdoch: http://www.unoriginal.co.uk/mugshotsbillgates.html
[07:29:00] sanmarcos: but wait for ep Maternity Leave, when she gets to do some hypnotherapy with Claire.. I dont know why female psychologists turn me on
[07:30:00] sanmarcos: maybe because I've lost a few screws
[07:30:00] CrazyP: damnit i can't find transcode in deb's apt
[07:30:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: marillat has them
[07:31:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: if you installed myth from his rep.. you should have it
[07:31:00] defaultro: Captain, I've change it from All Programs into PG
[07:31:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, what is his info?
[07:31:00] sanmarcos: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[07:31:00] defaultro: Captain, now, how do I setup the password so that when I play it back, it asks me?
[07:31:00] sanmarcos: idem with src
[07:32:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, cool thanks
[07:32:00] sanmarcos: anyways dont know if you might want to compile transcode with arch specific flags
[07:33:00] sanmarcos: might give you a little boost... Last time I trasncoded Nuv to Xvid on all HQ settings it took me 8 hours on an A-XP 2000
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[07:33:00] sanmarcos: I was reencoding anyways, I should have encoded to MPEG4 not that crappy RTJPEG
[07:33:00] Captain_Murdoch: defaultro: scroll up, I already described that about 4 posts ago.
[07:34:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: anyways you dont have to use trasncode..
[07:34:00] sanmarcos: Mencoder from mplayer is VERY nice.. and fast
[07:34:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, ahh i'll try the deb packages first, and then see
[07:34:00] sanmarcos: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mencoder_Introduction_Guide
[07:34:00] CrazyP: Yeah, i have mplayer, but no mencoder which ifound kidna weird
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[07:35:00] sanmarcos: I think it is a compilation option anyways
[07:35:00] sean33: im haveing a hell of a time tring to get xmame working :(
[07:35:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, what do you feel is better mencoder or transcoder?
[07:35:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: CPU intensive shit like codecs, video players, etc, are much better off compiled with nice CFALGS
[07:36:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: transcode is ok, Ive never really used it that much, just used it through nuvexport.
[07:36:00] CrazyP: sanmarcos, yeah.. i use to run gentoo hehe
[07:36:00] sanmarcos: Mencoder is great, handles all you can imagine
[07:36:00] CrazyP: cool.
[07:36:00] sanmarcos: you give it a piece of crap, and it'll encode it
[07:36:00] sanmarcos: besides, once you get a handle of the syntax, see the Wiki link i've sent you, it is pretty easy
[07:37:00] CrazyP: gonna try to encode 24 that i just recorded, put it into xvid i think
[07:37:00] sanmarcos: you can set up a cron job to do the encoding automatically for you
[07:37:00] CrazyP: can't you set mythtv to do it too?
[07:37:00] sanmarcos: yep, xvid, mp3, pretty standard, although if you want more audio quality, go for AAC (faad), or AC3 (dvd)
[07:37:00] sanmarcos: mp3 above 192 is good quality
[07:38:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: I am not sure really, I think myth just handles MPEG4 and RTJPEG
[07:38:00] CrazyP: Yeah, i'm just going to fool around and see what I works best.
[07:38:00] sanmarcos: but If I was you, I'd google or checkout the excellent myth wiki
[07:38:00] CrazyP: okay.
[07:38:00] sanmarcos: RTJPEG is just images chained together.. its crap
[07:38:00] sanmarcos: MPEG4 is good for compression, you certainly dont want to keep 2.2 gb
[07:39:00] CrazyP: no, its a 200 gig drive, that'd go real quick
[07:39:00] sanmarcos: About the PVR.. it is MPEG2 by nature, so what you view in your Myrh screen is pure mpeg2
[07:39:00] sanmarcos: try cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg.. produces a mpg file playable by mplayer
[07:39:00] sanmarcos: the 350 can handle MPEG2 (Excellent quality btw) outputing (that is decoding)
[07:40:00] CrazyP: ok. i had it in a windows box before... got it free for testing out Beyond TV 3 for them heh
[07:40:00] sanmarcos: CrazyP: I have an 8gb drive for myth right now..
[07:40:00] sanmarcos: I seriusly need a hd,
[07:40:00] CrazyP: yeah i did cat /dev/video0 last night, to see if it was working.
[07:40:00] sanmarcos: oh, and about HD's, make sure you use a good FS
[07:40:00] sanmarcos: not fat, not ext*, the best choices are XFS/JFS.. you will feel the difference when handling big files
[07:41:00] sanmarcos: i.e deleting a big file in ext takes a while, in XFS it is instantaneous..
[07:41:00] CrazyP: Yeah, i wanted to go xfs, but forgot when i setup that drive hah
[07:41:00] sanmarcos: pretty useful because Myth's UI doenst handle blocking really well
[07:41:00] CrazyP: but, its /dev/hdb so i can redo it later w/o a problem.
[07:42:00] sanmarcos: yeah its a simple process, if you use gnome there is gparted which is really really niec and easy
[07:42:00] CrazyP: i use kde... but could put gparted on w/o trouble really
[07:43:00] sanmarcos: kde sure should have a partition app, it has everything
[07:43:00] CrazyP: Yeah.
[07:43:00] sanmarcos: I K3B and Filelight from KDE
[07:43:00] CrazyP: cool.
[07:44:00] CrazyP: yeah, some reason k3b is crashing on me atm, but i barely use this burner so dont care really... ill figure it out when i got time
[07:46:00] CrazyP: hrmm wow, the recording is 4/3 dont look good full screen
[07:47:00] sanmarcos: just change it to Fill
[07:48:00] CrazyP: how ya do that?
[07:48:00] sanmarcos: in Myth?
[07:48:00] CrazyP: yeah
[07:48:00] sanmarcos: hold on
[07:48:00] sanmarcos: W
[07:49:00] sanmarcos: all modern video players can handle aspect ratio changing anyways.. just make sure that when you encode, IF you resize, make it proportional to the original size
[07:49:00] defaultro: Captain?
[07:49:00] sanmarcos: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt
[07:49:00] sanmarcos: that is not set an arbitrary size, but a fraction of the original
[07:50:00] Captain_Murdoch: yes?
[07:50:00] defaultro: Captain, I was able to put password
[07:50:00] defaultro: I clicked Menu rather than info, however, I have some issue
[07:51:00] defaultro: I click Change View Filter and selected the group I created. It prompted me for the password, and now, I'm not able to get out that prompt. keyboard keys just keeps on showing up everytime I hit enter key
[07:51:00] Captain_Murdoch: you have to cursor down to the OK button
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[07:52:00] defaultro: I don't see the OK button
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[07:52:00] Captain_Murdoch: are there any buttons on that popup?
[07:52:00] defaultro: on the other menus, down works
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[07:52:00] defaultro: it only showed the textbox
[07:52:00] defaultro: it was really weird
[07:53:00] defaultro: the change password was a complete window box
[07:53:00] Captain_Murdoch: that's because they made the editbox popup the keyboard if you hit enter. it used to allow you to hit enter to accept the input.
[07:53:00] ip_goat_rodeo: well, got every bit for new mythbox except a drive now.
[07:53:00] Captain_Murdoch: we need an OK button on that popup now.
[07:53:00] defaultro: when you get the password prompt, do you see other buttons?
[07:53:00] defaultro: ah ok
[07:54:00] defaultro: mine is a keyboardless myth
[07:54:00] defaultro: I'm relying on my remote control. virtual keyboard is awesome though. Good job! ;)
[07:55:00] Captain_Murdoch: I haven't used that screen since I wrote that code which was over a year ago. I don't have any kids so I don't have any passwords. virtual keyboard wasn't my work, can't remember who did that. I'm looking at the code to see what it takes to get an OK key on that popup.
[07:55:00] defaultro: cool ;)
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[07:56:00] Captain_Murdoch: try just typing in the password and then hitting ESCape. I think that will work.
[07:57:00] Captain_Murdoch: might not need an OK button.
[07:58:00] defaultro: My escape is mapped to Home button. It doesn't work
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[08:01:00] defaultro: and it becomes hard since the textbox disappears when the virtual keyboard is displayed
[08:02:00] defaultro: I will kill mythfrontend for now
[08:03:00] Captain_Murdoch: defaultro: create a ticket in trac and assign it to cpinkham and I'll fix it. mention that we talked on IRC so no one closes the ticket on you for not submitting a patch. I'm going to make it not popup the keyboard for the password dialog. it doesn't make sense to have a visual keyboard when we're hiding the keys typed. :) somebody could just follow the highlighting to see what keys you hit enter on. :)
[08:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: you can turn off the visual keyboard, but in this case it should be always off.
[08:04:00] defaultro: Ok. But don't know how to create a ticket there
[08:05:00] defaultro: I actually saw another issue on that same spot
[08:05:00] Captain_Murdoch: nevermind, that means you don't have an account either then.
[08:05:00] defaultro: ok
[08:05:00] defaultro: This is the other issue
[08:06:00] defaultro: I changed view filter and selected the password protected group. The password prompt popped up, but I hit escape key. It showed, "Sorry, no recordings". Now, keys doesn't work anymore even escape
[08:08:00] Captain_Murdoch: works fine here with current SVN and I don't think anything has changed recently in that code. I hit ESCape when the passwod prompt showed and it gave me the "no recordings" screen then I could hit ESCape again and get out of that back to the menu.
[08:08:00] defaultro: ok
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[08:09:00] Captain_Murdoch: I need to run, should have been in bed hours ago. I made a note in my TODO to fix that virtual keyboard thing, so it will be fixed soon and will be in SVN Head and I'll also put it in the -fixes branch since it is a bug. I know how I want to fix it, just don't have time right now.
[08:10:00] defaultro: ok
[08:10:00] defaultro: Have a great morning
[08:10:00] defaultro: I'm going to bed too
[08:10:00] defaultro: Thanks budyd
[08:10:00] defaultro: buddy
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[08:16:00] ph10: hi... i'm using a bt878 chip and have bad (squelchy) audio in mythtv but not in regular tv apps (tvtime)
[08:16:00] ph10: has anyone dealt with anything like this?
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[08:16:00] ph10: i've read a lot of documents and made tons of tweaks but cant seem to find the fix
[08:18:00] ph10: :/
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[08:45:00] ph10: had anyone had to do any audio rate conversions to get thier sound right using dmix/.asoundrc?
[08:56:00] Calroth: my analog audio has never sounded right
[08:56:00] Calroth: lots of highs and mids but no bass
[08:56:00] Calroth: but that's probably nothing to do with your problem :-)
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[09:36:00] Shdwdrgn: anyone have troubleshooting tips for getting audio out of a pvr-250?
[09:41:00] CrazyP: its all about the sound card... just make sure you got mythtv configured for your sound card...
[09:42:00] Shdwdrgn: well I've got alsa installed, aplay can play a wav file with no problems
[09:42:00] Shdwdrgn: I've got 75% volume and unmuted on master, PCM, and the capture and video devices
[09:42:00] CrazyP: okay.
[09:42:00] CrazyP: im new to mythtv myself, so probably not much a help hehe
[09:42:00] Shdwdrgn: what about in the frontend setup, what should I be putting in for the mixer?
[09:42:00] Shdwdrgn: ah ok
[09:43:00] Shdwdrgn: :-)
[09:43:00] CrazyP: been using it for 24hrs
[09:43:00] Calroth: try setting the sound output device to alsa:default
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[09:47:00] Merlin83b2: Shdwdrgn: Can you try playing a recorded file in another player?
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[09:47:00] Shdwdrgn: something other that aplay?
[09:48:00] Shdwdrgn: I can play a wav through aplay with no problem
[09:48:00] Merlin38b: A file that you've recorded in MythTV
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[09:48:00] Calroth: did you try the "alsa:default" output device?
[09:48:00] Calroth: in mythfrontend
[09:48:00] Shdwdrgn: yeah, that didn;t work
[09:49:00] Shdwdrgn: for both output and mixer
[09:49:00] Calroth: hmm
[09:49:00] Calroth: maybe it's case-sensitive
[09:49:00] Shdwdrgn: well if I aplay one of the mpg files from myth, I get white noise :-)
[09:49:00] Calroth: maybe "ALSA:default"?
[09:49:00] Shdwdrgn: the docs said ALSA:default but didn;t say anything about the mixer
[09:49:00] Shdwdrgn: already tried both ways
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[09:49:00] Merlin83b: Shdwdrgn: And you're recording something that should have white noise?
[09:49:00] Calroth: ahh
[09:50:00] Calroth: did your mythfrontend build with ALSA support?
[09:50:00] Shdwdrgn: it's an mpg file, not audio
[09:50:00] Shdwdrgn: errr
[09:50:00] Merlin83b: Then play it with something that'll play mpg files.
[09:51:00] Shdwdrgn: do I need to specify --enable-audio-alsa to get it to configure?
[09:51:00] Calroth: i can't remember if it picks it up automatically
[09:51:00] Calroth: but after you configure, it gives you a summary
[09:51:00] Calroth: you can check in that
[09:52:00] Shdwdrgn: oh yeah, here's the logs... error opening audio devaice alsa:default – no such file
[09:52:00] Merlin83b: Try /dev/dsp
[09:52:00] Shdwdrgn: doesn't exist
[09:52:00] Merlin83b: dsp0 ?
[09:52:00] Shdwdrgn: no
[09:53:00] Shdwdrgn: think I read something about it being removed in the latest kernels
[09:53:00] Calroth: anything in the /dev/sound directory?
[09:53:00] Shdwdrgn: ok after running ./configure, it does say alsa support is enabled
[09:54:00] Shdwdrgn: there's a /dev/snd
[09:54:00] Shdwdrgn: controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D1p timer
[09:54:00] Calroth: hrm
[09:57:00] Calroth: try turning internal sound controls off, then you don't need to deal with the mixer?
[09:57:00] Calroth: also make sure the AC3 to SPDIF passthrough is off, that interferes with things
[09:59:00] Shdwdrgn: yeah it is
[09:59:00] Shdwdrgn: what internal sound controls?
[09:59:00] Calroth: you're on 0.18?
[10:00:00] Shdwdrgn: .19
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[10:01:00] Calroth: I get an "internal sound controls" checkbox right above the mixer stuff, in my general prefs
[10:02:00] Calroth: sorry, "internal volume controls"
[10:02:00] Shdwdrgn: ahh found it
[10:03:00] Shdwdrgn: nope, still no sound
[10:04:00] Calroth: strange
[10:07:00] Shdwdrgn: hmm found some notes that the mixer should be set to "default" without the ALSA part... but still no audio
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[10:12:00] Shdwdrgn: I wonder if I need to install arts?
[10:13:00] Calroth: I don't have it installed
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[10:18:00] Shdwdrgn: what about OSS ?
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[10:21:00] Calroth: OSS would be a handy thing to try
[10:21:00] Calroth: but you should try other ALSA applications apart from aplay
[10:21:00] Calroth: like mplayer, perhaps
[10:21:00] Calroth: or xmms :-)
[10:21:00] Merlin83b: (aka, see what I said 35 minutes ago)
[10:22:00] Calroth: yeah ;-)
[10:25:00] Shdwdrgn: ok I'll try mplayer next
[10:25:00] Shdwdrgn: think it's bedtime though... 3:30am and I have to get up at 7 :-)
[10:26:00] Shdwdrgn: thanks for the help though!
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[10:41:00] juski: morning folks
[10:42:00] Merlin83b: Morning juski.
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[11:18:00] juski: heh. cloning a couple of slightly fire-damaged Maxtor drives for Police evidence.. first drive is going okay
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[11:19:00] juski: I say 'slightly'.. the unit was unrecognisable.. front panel totally melted & half the case paint was burnt off
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[12:24:00] oxo: hi
[12:24:00] ** oxo has a little problem concerning MythTV **
[12:25:00] oxo: for some odd reason LiveTV ``hangs'' with a blue screen. MythTV is "rebuffering" until infinity...
[12:25:00] oxo: (Myth 0.19/gentoo, pvr150/ivtv-0.4.2/gentoo)
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[12:32:00] oxo: ah, nevermind, I just discovered that this is not Myth's fault, but fglrx not overlaying video to my TV
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[12:33:00] madar: Hello not really a mythtv question but I'm wondering if anyone here might be able to help
[12:33:00] madar: I have a logitech quickcam that used to work just fine before I installed my pvr board
[12:34:00] madar: I know that it is being picked up as /dev/video1 now instead of /dev/video0
[12:34:00] madar: However I can't seem to get anything out of it
[12:35:00] madar: modules quickcam , videodev, and usbcore are all loaded
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[12:50:00] Dibblah: Okay. This is embarassing. I'm using streaming, but I'm not sure why. The recording directory is set the same on all FE / BEs...
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[13:45:00] whyz: hey ho.. i just installed a bttv card on a machine here. thought this would be a good place to ask how to find the channels.. I don't have a monitor connected to it, it's for streaming only
[13:51:00] whyz: heh
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: Are you using mythtv, whyz?
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[14:28:00] Dibblah: Ooooh! Teletext subtitles are now working properly :)
[14:28:00] Dibblah: Interesting commflagging options ahead, methinks :)
[14:31:00] juski: yeh if anyone codes for them
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[14:31:00] juski: do the broadcasters say "the adverts are coming?"
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[14:31:00] juski: that'd be nice of them
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[14:36:00] Dibblah: No, but subtitle -> no subtitle transitions are easy to spot.
[14:37:00] Merlin83b: And would cut out moments of no talking in programmes :-)
[14:37:00] Dibblah: Yeah. Just like the existing commflagger does. Oh. Wait.
[14:37:00] juski: and adverts with subtitles would break it
[14:37:00] Dibblah: It's all weighted.
[14:37:00] Dibblah: More data == good.
[14:38:00] juski: yes, commercials have subtitles. I was surprised to learn that
[14:38:00] Merlin83b: Some do, yeah.
[14:38:00] Dibblah: Besides, for those of us with crappy listings, it gives new and interesting ways to dupcheck ;)
[14:40:00] Dibblah: Ummm... Why on earth am I streaming, rather than reading off the NFS mount?
[14:41:00] juski: Dibblah: myth prefers to use its own protocol
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[14:41:00] juski: my frontend plays recordings without an nfs mount & I'm happy with that
[14:41:00] Dibblah: ... I thought it preferred mounted?
[14:42:00] Dibblah: And only fell back to streaming?
[14:42:00] juski: I thought the myth protocol was more efficient in any case
[14:43:00] Dibblah: Not AFAIK.
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[14:43:00] juski: anyway if it's working why moan? ;-)
[14:44:00] Dibblah: Because I'm trying to duplicate this damn slow DVB startup bug.
[14:44:00] Dibblah: Or just not starting DVB startup bug.
[14:44:00] juski: I've not even tried live tv in 0.19 yet
[14:45:00] Dibblah: Yeah, but my GF is rather attached to it :(
[14:45:00] juski: get a new one
[14:45:00] Dibblah: Besides, I get the feeling that if I dump streaming, I can get my 300Mhz laptop to play back...
[14:46:00] juski: 300mhz machine playing back mpeg2. you'll be lucky
[14:46:00] Dibblah: It manages with ~60% processor usage in Xine and mplayer.
[14:46:00] juski: really? cool
[14:46:00] Dibblah: With exactly the same recordings...
[14:46:00] Dibblah: But it just tops out the CPU in Myth.
[14:47:00] Dibblah: No deinterlacing or pp, of course.
[14:47:00] juski: PiP sucks anyway IMHO
[14:47:00] Dibblah: postprocessing
[14:47:00] juski: ah
[14:47:00] Dibblah: Oh! How recycled plastic is made.
[14:48:00] Dibblah: I like testing with the discovery channel.
[14:48:00] juski: tried using a different decoder method?
[14:48:00] Dibblah: Yup. No change.
[14:48:00] juski: you on a wireless network?
[14:48:00] Dibblah: Nope – Wired.
[14:49:00] juski: so yeah – looks like the myth protocol is letting you down to me
[14:49:00] Dibblah: Buggy e100, but it's still capable of maxing out the link with ~10% CPU...
[14:49:00] juski: that was another thing I was gonna suggest
[14:49:00] Dibblah: iperfed it.
[14:50:00] juski: you've done some legwork – more than a lot of people bother with ;-)
[14:51:00] Dibblah: Unfortunately, oprofile doesn't do proper perfcounters on that laptop :(
[14:51:00] Dibblah: It's a PII Celeron.
[14:52:00] juski: you said the recording directory pathnames are the same on both sides.. tried making so they're not?
[14:54:00] Dibblah: Good idea, thinks he.
[14:54:00] Dibblah: Goes to remount directory.
[14:54:00] Dibblah: .... Huh?
[14:54:00] Dibblah: Bugger. Thanks :)
[14:54:00] juski: was that it?
[14:55:00] Dibblah: Ummm... No. Forgot this is my isolated-from-the-main-system testbox.
[14:55:00] Dibblah: Which doesn't have the video directory automounted.
[14:55:00] Dibblah: Do I feel silly?
[14:56:00] Dibblah: Apologies for the noise.
[14:56:00] juski: oops
[14:56:00] juski: no problem
[14:56:00] juski: like I said at least you bothered to try stuff ;-)
[14:57:00] juski: better than coming here yelling "HELP!"
[14:57:00] Dibblah: Okay. Well, I still don't see the issue that some other vocal people are having.
[14:57:00] juski: yeh.. works for me (tm) syndrome
[14:58:00] Dibblah: That's nothing – You should see the new qmake stuff I've done. Seperate compilation directory, precompiled header support...
[14:59:00] Dibblah: Looked at doing 2.6 kernel style compilation prettyprinting (so errors stick out more), but qmake... Is not particularly fun for things like that.
[15:02:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... When a switch has more dead ports than working, is it time to buy a new one?
[15:02:00] juski: probably
[15:03:00] juski: I'll have to remember the NFS trick – could come in handy
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[15:04:00] quantum_: my frontend crashes pretty frequenty and it is a pain in the butt to restart it. I have to run up to another room, remotely log in and restart it. is there any better way to deal with this
[15:04:00] quantum_: I have seen this error: mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed
[15:04:00] Kelerion-flux: find out why it's crashing?
[15:04:00] wakko: can you ssh into it from another machine?
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[15:04:00] quantum_: wakko, yes
[15:04:00] wakko: then reboot remotely
[15:04:00] Merlin83b: No rebooting!
[15:04:00] quantum_: wakko, sometimes it gives a core dump
[15:04:00] Merlin83b: Bad plan.
[15:05:00] wakko: ah
[15:05:00] quantum_: wakko, : well I just restart the mythfrontend
[15:05:00] Merlin83b: while true; do mythfrontend; done
[15:05:00] wakko: I see.
[15:05:00] Merlin83b: If it crashes, it'll restart itself.
[15:05:00] Dibblah: Fatal IO error: client killed is when it loses connection with the X server, I think.
[15:05:00] Merlin83b: (I use that, probably crash once a week or so)
[15:05:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, heh that sounds pretty good, where shoudl I put that script?
[15:05:00] Merlin83b: Um, how do you start muthfrontend?
[15:05:00] Dibblah: Careful with that sort of thing if you're tracking SVN.
[15:05:00] juski: put it in place of whatever starts mythfrontend
[15:06:00] Merlin83b: Dibblah: Yep, I put a sleep in there. I do track svn
[15:06:00] quantum_: what is svn
[15:06:00] wakko: Does anyone here have any experience setting up serial-port control of a remote DirecTV receiver?
[15:06:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: Latest development version of mythtv
[15:06:00] Dibblah: make install will kill frontend, then backend very quickly – If both restart, then it's bad DB update time which is no fun for anyone.
[15:07:00] Merlin83b: Dibblah: I always stop FE and BE before make installing.
[15:07:00] Dibblah: And yes, I'm aware there's meant to be locking.
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[15:08:00] quantum_: I am using kde to start mythtv, wonder if I can put that command in that script. the problem is that the script expects the command to return...maybe I can make another script that it can call in the background
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[15:12:00] Dibblah: Never understood running Myth under a full KDE.
[15:12:00] Dibblah: Ratpoison, evilwm, both work without so much fluff...
[15:12:00] juski: some people must like slow startup times
[15:12:00] quantum_: yeah don't need a full kde, what do you use
[15:13:00] Dibblah: I use evil.
[15:13:00] quantum_: just easier for the intial setup and never have gotten around to changing it, too many other things to work on
[15:13:00] Dibblah: Because I like keyboard management of windows.
[15:14:00] quantum_: kde seems to behave better on some things. I tried another window manager but I ocassionaly ended up with the destop or somethig visible when switcihgn from the video player
[15:14:00] Dibblah: Ctrl-Alt-Enter – New shell. Ctrl-Alt-L – Move window right...
[15:14:00] quantum_: I just use an IR control
[15:14:00] quantum_: no keyboard
[15:14:00] Dibblah: Yes, well – That's when Myth is behaving itsself :)
[15:15:00] quantum_: well, except for the frontend dieing and no one knowing how to rip dvd's it is working pretty flawlessly
[15:15:00] Dibblah: Gee, thanks, Gentoo. Defaulting to +gnome on Distcc really makes sense.
[15:16:00] Dibblah: 37Mb of source downloads... Before it gets to distcc.
[15:16:00] quantum_: why doesn't anyone use the dvd rip utility on myth?
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[15:17:00] mocker: quantum_: I don't use it because it doesn't autocrop black borders.
[15:17:00] mocker: Or at least it didn't the last time I tried.
[15:18:00] juski: quantum_: I don't use it because it violates copyright laws in my country
[15:18:00] quantum_: juski, nah it is ok. to back up your own dvd's
[15:18:00] juski: no it's not. not in the UK
[15:18:00] Dibblah: I don't use it because I don't buy DVDs.
[15:18:00] juski: nor is it legal to rip cds to an Ipod in the UK
[15:19:00] juski: if they ever bothered to prosecute.. :-D
[15:19:00] scopeuk: yeh breacking digital protection schemes is illegal
[15:19:00] scopeuk: yet another example of an inept government pandering to big buissnes
[15:19:00] Dibblah: No – Just no fair use rights.
[15:19:00] juski: scopeuk: you're not even allowed to copy unprotected material in uk law
[15:19:00] juski: seriously – they just turn a blind eye
[15:19:00] ivor: juski: actually if you read the copyright act then it says you can make copies.
[15:20:00] quantum_: yeah that is what I thought ivor
[15:20:00] juski: ivor: no it doesn't. unauthorised duplication _prohibited_
[15:20:00] ivor: it's just the music industry trying to tell people otherwise.
[15:20:00] juski: unauthorised means without the company's permission
[15:20:00] ivor: juski: read sections 50,A,B and C.
[15:20:00] ivor: you are permitted even if the company doesn't give you permisssion.
[15:21:00] quantum_: yeah I think you are right ivor, it is just the industry trying to make people think they can't use what they paid for. why not chargethem twice for it, ha
[15:21:00] Dibblah: UK law != US law.
[15:21:00] Dibblah: Nope. Not allowable in the UK.
[15:21:00] juski: at all
[15:21:00] ivor: Dibblah: I thought we were talking about the UK law.
[15:21:00] Dibblah: We are.
[15:21:00] Dibblah: There is no fair use in the UK.
[15:22:00] quantum_: it you read the copywrite sections he posted
[15:22:00] ivor: Dibblah: yes there bloody well is.
[15:22:00] Dibblah: Ummm... Great!
[15:22:00] Dibblah: Show me the documentation.
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[15:24:00] juski: the MCPS website is a great place to start
[15:24:00] quantum_: anyway most people don't have the opion that it is against fair usage to backup dvd's, so my question still remains why don't people use the dvd rip option on myth
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[15:26:00] juski: looks like they've changed the rules recently
[15:26:00] Dibblah: ... Cool :)
[15:26:00] scopeuk: we could dowith a proerp fair use act
[15:26:00] Dibblah: Of course, I'm still a thieving scum because I don't watch adverts.
[15:27:00] quantum_: which way are you saying they changed it
[15:27:00] juski: they used to say NO NO NO
[15:28:00] quantum_: I think region coding is funny too. If you move ato a different region and your dvd player breaks, ha ha
[15:28:00] juski: now they're kind of saying yes, but as long as you only use copies yourself and don't give them to anybody
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[15:29:00] quantum_: I think they should start going door to door in the UK, sounds like the problem is rampent over there
[15:29:00] quantum_: just kidding
[15:29:00] scopeuk: there not far off
[15:30:00] quantum_: one problem with ripping dvd's is that people are no longer forced to watch the advirtisements
[15:30:00] scopeuk: yet they let peopel sell tablesd full of pirate cds and dvds in the council building jsut up the road from rading standards in my town
[15:30:00] quantum_: the movie industry would not like that
[15:30:00] Baylink: Short version: they built a business on the impracticality of several legal behaviours which are now practical, and they want to be protected for it.
[15:30:00] scopeuk: quantum_ ammuses me they thinkthat not only should we pay for the disc but we should fund them through watchign there adverts also
[15:30:00] juski: I have no idea why people pay for pirate DVDs
[15:30:00] quantum_: it has always been possible to copy movies or much, this is nothing new
[15:31:00] scopeuk: me either
[15:31:00] Dibblah: Because they're not on the intarweb.
[15:31:00] Baylink: Cheapness and stupidity. This isn't about piracy, folks.
[15:31:00] Baylink: Read the Doc Searls piece that Isaac made me take down off the news page.  :-)
[15:31:00] scopeuk: pirate dvds are guenuinly linked to organised crime
[15:31:00] quantum_: the music industry is so fricken stupid I would buy tons of music if I could download it in a loss-less unprotected format
[15:31:00] scopeuk: altough i find the downloadign movies is funding orgonised crime argumeant laughable
[15:32:00] scopeuk: buying legal dvds is fundign organised crime imho
[15:32:00] scopeuk: daylight robery
[15:32:00] Dibblah: Sure. So is prostitution. But you don't see the Wives Union complaining.
[15:32:00] scopeuk: lol
[15:32:00] Dibblah: I'm sorry – That socket doesn't seem to be HDCP-complient ;)
[15:33:00] quantum_: the music industry will always be pretty safe because movies are just too big, eventually they will switch to a new format with HD movies
[15:33:00] quantum_: movie industry rather
[15:33:00] scopeuk: heh ive piratedthings before and i know how the mind set works no matter how biga file is someone will downloadit
[15:34:00] juski: no matter how crap a film is people will download it ;-)
[15:34:00] scopeuk: nod
[15:35:00] quantum_: yes, some people will but post people won't pay a pirate for movies etc. if they are the sort the will they woud probably not buy it anyway
[15:35:00] Dibblah: I'd gladly pay for high-quality downloads.
[15:35:00] juski: I doubt there are many downloaders of things who don't do it just because _it's there_ – they don't necessarily _want_ it
[15:35:00] Dibblah: Like Lost, 24, ...
[15:35:00] juski: I buy more music now than I did 3 years ago. that's cos there's stuff I actually like
[15:36:00] Dibblah: The 640Mb rips of those are allegedly stunning.
[15:36:00] scopeuk: juski most people have gone the otehr way
[15:36:00] quantum_: I guess most people are just to stupid to figure out it isn't smart to download something that enslaves you to a pripriatary format with one company
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[15:36:00] juski: boo hoo. the music company shareholders can't afford enough champagne to fill their baths with anymore :-/
[15:37:00] quantum_: besides the fact that it is poorer than CD quality
[15:37:00] scopeuk: yeh wich is shocking
[15:37:00] juski: you know how much an artist actually makes from a CD sale?
[15:37:00] juski:
[15:37:00] quantum_: not to mention that new mucsic is pretty crapy compared with a decade ago
[15:37:00] scopeuk: yeh it takes the micky
[15:38:00] scopeuk: piracy is killing music sales heh try crapy manufactured talentless lifeless pop
[15:40:00] epictetus: To me, the funny part is that what you get if you pirate is always much better than what you get if you buy
[15:40:00] epictetus: like if you buy from an online music service or a CD in the store, you might get a rootkit installed on your system, or other awful DRM measures; you might end up with a song you can only burn to a CD once, or aren't allowed to burn at all, can't play in multiple places, can't rip and play on your ipod
[15:41:00] Dibblah: Why are joiners so much slower than brickies?
[15:41:00] scopeuk: which part of joinery
[15:41:00] Dibblah: Oops. Wrong window.
[15:41:00] epictetus: or if you buy a DVD, you get the macrovision and various other copy protection that means you can only play it in players in certain countries/regions, and can't make copies of it, and can't put it on a computer or whatever..
[15:42:00] Dibblah: ... Putting together some trusses for a roof.
[15:42:00] scopeuk: macrovision spoils the image quality also
[15:42:00] epictetus: but if you pirate it, you are free to innovate with it, use it in new and creative ways
[15:42:00] ivor: Dibblah: hahah. lol. depends on whether you're using Polish joiners.
[15:42:00] epictetus: you dont get spoiled image quality
[15:42:00] quantum_: yeah, it is like I want to be able to download and play songs on my linux box. how do you do this leagally?
[15:42:00] scopeuk: buy cd then download
[15:42:00] quantum_: what rip it?
[15:42:00] scopeuk: not nessaseily
[15:43:00] scopeuk: download the tracks off the net
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[15:43:00] scopeuk: you have purchased a license for the mucis
[15:43:00] scopeuk: music*
[15:43:00] quantum_: well not in the UK
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[15:43:00] Dibblah: There's this place that's legal in Russia – Quite cheap, too, I hear :)
[15:43:00] scopeuk: of course not
[15:43:00] scopeuk: uk === island for large companies and the share holders in governmeant who take care of them
[15:43:00] fir3st0rm: hi
[15:43:00] ivor: Dibblah: lol oh don't start on that can of worms.
[15:44:00] Dibblah: Heh.
[15:44:00] fir3st0rm: is it possible to start mythwelcome without the frontend?
[15:44:00] quantum_: but anyway the point is they don't make any way to do it, they force you to do something else if you want the music
[15:44:00] quantum_: fir3st0rm, try it
[15:44:00] fir3st0rm: try what?
[15:45:00] scopeuk: quantum_ oh no if they let linux users download music they would obviously be destroyig there sales becosue we all know that linux miraculosly fwarts all atemtps to control media
[15:46:00] quantum_: yeah it is no surprise their are no linux versions of nearly all major software, even itunes...go figure
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[15:46:00] ivor: juski: crap actually it isn't section 50... that's the one to do with copying software.. there's one in there somewhere about music.. bah bloody lawyers.
[15:47:00] quantum_: I think it is just common sense. if I paid for the music I can play it wherever I want, that is fair use
[15:47:00] ivor: oh well.....
[15:47:00] ivor: shall we talk about mythtv? :)
[15:48:00] wakko: I'd love to
[15:48:00] wakko: I have a question about DirecTV reciever control
[15:48:00] quantum_: people need to use their heads, laws are nice, but they don't necessary represent reality
[15:49:00] wakko: actually, bigger problem
[15:50:00] wakko: I cannot ssh into my Knopmyth box
[15:50:00] wakko: permission denied
[15:50:00] Dibblah: ssh -u ...
[15:50:00] wakko: my mythtv and su passwords are the same
[15:50:00] wakko: ok I'll try that
[15:50:00] Dibblah: ssh -l , even...
[15:50:00] Dibblah: Or ssh user@bob...
[15:51:00] wakko: damn – it's rejecting my password
[15:51:00] wakko: I did ssh mythtv@192.168.0.52
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: Arrgh, every I update this patch Daniel changes something in SVN so that I have to update it again heh
[15:51:00] praet: anyone know where to find a sub < 500 laptop
[15:51:00] Dibblah: ebay.
[15:51:00] ivor: GreyFoxx: yeah get used to it. :D
[15:52:00] wakko: craigslist/ebay
[15:52:00] Dibblah: Broken screen ones are nice and cheap.
[15:52:00] praet: hah
[15:52:00] praet: well i thought so..
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[15:52:00] ** GreyFoxx runs make again and crosses his fingers **
[15:53:00] ** scopeuk wonders why linuix hates him **
[15:54:00] wakko: scopeuk: don't worry – Linux hates everyone.
[15:54:00] praet: GreyFoxx: what are you up to now
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: praet: Updating some DVB EIT patches for the EIT rewrite
[15:57:00] scopeuk: well more specificaly linux hates my myth box
[15:58:00] praet: ouch
[16:01:00] ivor: who's running an EPIA/unichrome here? (apart from juski)
[16:01:00] Merlin83b: I am
[16:02:00] ivor: anyone using a "unichrome-pro"
[16:02:00] Merlin83b: Nope, CLE266 for me.
[16:03:00] scopeuk: any one got any experience with fedora messing aroudn and freezing just after loading initd.img
[16:04:00] RaYmAn-Bx: ivor: does planning to count? :)
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[16:04:00] ivor: nope.
[16:04:00] RaYmAn-Bx: damn :)
[16:04:00] Dibblah: GreyFoxx: You in the UK?
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[16:05:00] psofa: im in livfetv mode: how can i schedule a recording for the current channel? Its hard to do it through the custom recording menu because ive got dozens of channels+ the list contains all channels not only the visible
[16:06:00] psofa: *livetv
[16:06:00] Dibblah: Press R
[16:06:00] psofa: haha thanks
[16:06:00] psofa: srry
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: Dibblah: Nope, Canada
[16:06:00] psofa: Dibblah, ok now im recording
[16:07:00] psofa: but how do i tell it when ito stop
[16:07:00] psofa: *to
[16:07:00] epictetus: praet: there are new ones right around that price also
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: cool, so far it's compiling
[16:07:00] epictetus: praet: walmart.com has a $499 laptop i'm pretty sure
[16:07:00] praet: ooh
[16:07:00] ** praet saw a deal at bestbuy that sold out **
[16:08:00] epictetus: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4328420
[16:08:00] juski: ivor: do I not count cos I'm using a ready-made distro?
[16:08:00] epictetus: Refurb thinkpad t22, 900mhz PIII, $482.00
[16:08:00] epictetus: i think you can find a better deal than that, though,
[16:09:00] epictetus: like this, it's $598 though
[16:09:00] epictetus: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4661255
[16:09:00] praet: well i dont want to get a newbie looking through ebay ads so i figured id help
[16:10:00] epictetus: I really dont like getting used laptops
[16:10:00] praet: thanks thats a ngood recommndation
[16:10:00] praet: same here
[16:10:00] praet: i have plenty of used laptops that are given to me
[16:10:00] epictetus: especially without warrantees... people _beat_ on laptops like you wouldn't believe
[16:10:00] praet: never worked with an acer tho
[16:10:00] ivor: juski: I didn't think you had a unichrome-pro.
[16:10:00] epictetus: drop them, throw them, kick them, step on them, etc
[16:10:00] epictetus: acer is a cheapo brand
[16:11:00] epictetus: IBM on the other hand are usually solid as a rock
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[16:11:00] epictetus: in my opinion the best PC notebook brand for durability, engineering, etc
[16:11:00] quantum_: does anyone use yum to update their system?
[16:11:00] praet: yeah ive seen some older ibm pads that rock
[16:11:00] praet: quantum_: i do
[16:11:00] epictetus: but that's not such a great price for a 900mhz PIII
[16:11:00] dev-: i still use a 600x i got in 98
[16:11:00] quantum_: do you have issues with the video drivers after you update your kernel?
[16:12:00] dev-: all original parts except the hd, i couldnt live with 6gig anymore :)
[16:12:00] quantum_: seems like I always have to reconfigure stuff manually after updating the kernel
[16:12:00] praet: well ive just upodated kernel but not the video drivers yet
[16:12:00] quantum_: or swithc the nvidia drivers manually
[16:13:00] epictetus: quantum_: if you're using nvidia yeah
[16:13:00] epictetus: quantum_: not for other cards
[16:13:00] praet: this is the deal i saw on best buy thats sold out tinyurl.com/z9qqh
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[16:14:00] quantum_: hmm, it really sucks you reboot and the system is hosed, you have to log in from another system to fix it
[16:15:00] praet: quantum_: why not boot to an older kernel to fix whatever got messed up?
[16:15:00] Dibblah: It sucks even more when you can't.
[16:15:00] ivor: motto. don't hose the system.
[16:15:00] Merlin83b: secondary motto. Don't reboot.
[16:15:00] Merlin83b: Reboots are for hardware upgrades.
[16:16:00] quantum_: praet, I don't have a keyboard on the system
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[16:17:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, and kernel upgrades unfortuantely
[16:17:00] Dibblah: Simple. https://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=119 . . . ducts_id=779
[16:17:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: That, I will give you.
[16:17:00] praet: nice one Dibblah
[16:18:00] juski: aha – ivor I just have the puny unichrome
[16:19:00] quantum_: Fedora core 4 kernel seems really stable, I did have to reboot because the video seemed to lock up and I could not restart X, but the kernel was still rocking
[16:19:00] Dibblah: Although I am partial to https://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=119 . . . ducts_id=836
[16:19:00] ivor: juski: so noone's using one. :) oh well.
[16:19:00] scopeuk: any one ever tried takign debian from testing back to stable?
[16:20:00] quantum_: I want to upgrade to 64 bit, but it seems like they are not mainstreem yet
[16:20:00] scopeuk: amd64 kernals in debian are fine
[16:20:00] praet: backlit keys are nice
[16:20:00] epictetus: I can tell you that 64 bit is a pain. the kernels are fine, but when you're doing multimedia stuff you'll find that you end up having to do everything 32 bit anyways
[16:20:00] scopeuk: alright for some
[16:21:00] epictetus: like for your browser, you can't use 32 bit plugins in a 64 bit browser, so that needs to be 32 bit
[16:21:00] scopeuk: chroot is your friend
[16:21:00] scopeuk: i jsut use mine to mess aboutwith so i dont rearly notice
[16:21:00] epictetus: and for multimedia stuff, very few codecs have 64 bit versions available
[16:21:00] epictetus: and with mplayer you can't mix 32 and 64 bit codecs.. you either have 64, or 32
[16:22:00] epictetus: and in general for desktop stuff it's the same issue
[16:22:00] epictetus: 64 bit is great if you're running some kind of fluid dynamics or computational stuff that takes advantage of it
[16:23:00] epictetus: or if you need >4GB of ram and want it addressed flat
[16:23:00] quantum_: epictetus, Is there a myth plugin for that
[16:23:00] epictetus: haha
[16:23:00] epictetus: no, i dont think there are any CFD (computational fluid dynamics) myth plugins
[16:23:00] quantum_: yeah more ram would be very vool
[16:23:00] epictetus: most CFD software costs more than a brand new BMW
[16:23:00] quantum_: epictetus, well I need to model the airflow inside my case so I can stop it from overheating
[16:24:00] laga: umm
[16:24:00] Dibblah: Not worth doing CFD for that.
[16:24:00] laga: i think for home use, common sense is enough CFD for you
[16:24:00] quantum_: yeah, I am just kidding
[16:24:00] Dibblah: It's not accurate enough without some serious laser measuring stuff.
[16:25:00] quantum_: but when I would in my mach 4 fan I'll definetly need the modle to make sure I don't blow my house apart at that speed
[16:26:00] quantum_: seems like cpu speed increases have really slowed down
[16:26:00] quantum_: are they sleeping at AMD and intel for the last 6 months
[16:26:00] scopeuk: ad have been working on there new socket
[16:26:00] psofa: they are just reaching the limits of technology imho
[16:28:00] quantum_: hmm, I hope that isn't true or we are hosed. computers are still not fast enough for video stuff
[16:28:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: They really are...
[16:28:00] psofa: that doesnt mean the cant get faster
[16:28:00] scopeuk: then well go to the next level of silicon microtisationand they willget faster again
[16:28:00] Merlin83b: How do you think video produciton is done, these days?
[16:28:00] quantum_: well for compression and all that it takes a long time
[16:28:00] psofa: they just cant get faster by clock speed increases
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: See Hauppauge PVR cards and unichrome chipsets for an example. Realtime compression/decompression of MPEG2 streams.
[16:29:00] psofa: they must do architectural improvements
[16:29:00] scopeuk: yay my debain box is back
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: Specialised chips are good.
[16:29:00] psofa: see multicore
[16:29:00] quantum_: yeah, I have Hauppauge, it is pretty good but it doesn't do MPG4
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[16:30:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: Indeed, because there isn't a specialist chip for it yet. Once someone does, the load will be shifted off the CPU again.
[16:30:00] Merlin83b: And they'll make them once the demand is there.
[16:30:00] juski: ivor: there was a guy in here a couple of weeks ago by the handle Nano-Itx.. not seen him around for a while though
[16:30:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, ok.. but for reprocessing the video or if you are compressing stuff from your camcorder
[16:31:00] scopeuk: qt
[16:31:00] scopeuk: oops wront window
[16:31:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, editing and rendering takes tuns of CPU power
[16:31:00] Merlin83b: If you were doing it in a professional capacity, the chips are probably available already.
[16:31:00] Merlin83b: Also, I do edit camcorder footage so I know it takes time :-)
[16:31:00] juski: oh yeah – pro mpeg2 accelerators are available.. try looking at Miro's website
[16:31:00] Merlin83b: I have a box from a couple of years ago and onlt 512MB RAM that makes a pretty good go of it though.
[16:31:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, I think like one eposode of lord of the rings was like 30 TB or something
[16:31:00] scopeuk: From: stentz-binary-i386
[16:31:00] scopeuk: To: stentz-binary-i386
[16:31:00] scopeuk: Size: 2.6 GB (2,751,867,751 bytes)
[16:31:00] scopeuk: Transferred: 200.0 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
[16:32:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: 30TB is fine – go talk to EMC or NetApp :-)
[16:32:00] scopeuk: two keybaord == confusing
[16:32:00] quantum_: Merlin83b, : yeah must be pretty cool to crunch it to DVD size
[16:32:00] Merlin83b: quantum_: And welcome to render farms. Professionals have ways of making these things go faster :-)
[16:32:00] quantum_: definately time for a cup of coffee though
[16:32:00] juski: you can also buy mpeg2 accelerators that'll do HD resolutions.
[16:33:00] quantum_: mpeg2 is outdated now though
[16:33:00] juski: it's not
[16:33:00] Merlin83b: No
[16:33:00] quantum_: the files are hudge compared with mpeg4
[16:33:00] Merlin83b: Yes, but better raw quality.
[16:33:00] juski: broadcasters are using it still, internally
[16:33:00] Chutt: less than twice the size.
[16:33:00] Merlin83b: Compressing should only be done for the final output.
[16:34:00] juski: I doubt George Lucas' guys ever compress anything in production ;-)
[16:34:00] Merlin83b: If you're editing, keep things in their native format and at as high a resolution as possible until you're finished.
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[16:34:00] quantum_: I wonder if it is possible to do on the fly mpeg4 ?
[16:34:00] juski: quantum of course it is
[16:34:00] juski: mythtv can do it
[16:35:00] quantum_: oh, I use hauppage and have to recompress it
[16:35:00] juski: single-pass mpeg encoding is nowhere near as good as multipass though
[16:35:00] quantum_: yeah, I capture at really high quality and then recompress it
[16:36:00] juski: quantum_: that's the tradeoff. use a hardware encoder to keep your CPU usage down or use a V4L card & eat CPU cycles
[16:36:00] scopeuk: well you knwo some of us are barking crazy mad and picked a v4l card anda crap cpu
[16:37:00] juski:
[16:37:00] quantum_: yeah I don't think I could stand a card that didn't do the compression onboard
[16:37:00] quantum_: don't you miss frames and such?
[16:37:00] Dibblah: Yeah! And why doesn't Myth do huffyuv yet? ;)
[16:37:00] scopeuk: i have no idea
[16:38:00] juski: is there a linux driver for the miro DV500 card? ;-)
[16:38:00] quantum_: if your cpu load is high
[16:38:00] scopeuk: ive not had it rnnign properly long enough to cheack
[16:38:00] scopeuk: my cpu laod only goes to 50% tops
[16:38:00] quantum_: yeah, but what if you are running other stuff
[16:38:00] scopeuk: i dont
[16:39:00] quantum_: I use my myth system as a server etc. so it is always doing something
[16:39:00] quantum_: sometimes the cpu is way loaded down, but I never loose a frame
[16:40:00] Dibblah: lose
[16:40:00] Dibblah: Sorry :)
[16:40:00] juski: eeks.. what's happenned to all the hardware accelerated pro capture hardware Avid used to do?
[16:40:00] quantum_: yeah
[16:40:00] Dibblah: "Let loose the frames of war!"
[16:42:00] juski: they seem to have done away with custom hardware & just throw loads of CPU at it now
[16:42:00] quantum_: definately not for video cards
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[16:44:00] juski: there used to be a capture card that could encode/decode 2 DV streams at the same time & encode to mpeg2 in realtime
[16:46:00] quantum_: yeah doesn't haugge have one that does that
[16:48:00] quantum_: PVR 450 I thought
[16:48:00] juski: no they don't do pro editing cards
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[16:49:00] juski: aha. Matrox still do em
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: :w
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: oops :)
[17:03:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[17:05:00] Dibblah: Smiley speak with forked tongue.
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[17:11:00] yaaar: word
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[17:12:00] yaaar: my tv-tuner card killed my refridgerator
[17:13:00] yaaar: i know it sounds crazy.....but check it out....
[17:14:00] juski: lesson learned. if you're overclocking it you know that liquid helium makes more sense
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[17:14:00] yaaar: i plugged the tuner card into the computer a few days ago, but didn't plug coax into it or install myth yet. then i did that yesterday afternoon. when i first plugged the coax in, i saw a smallish blue spark, but didn't think much of it.
[17:15:00] yaaar: then i turned on myth, and after a couple seconds i heard really loud static
[17:15:00] yaaar: even though my stereo (where my pc sound runs through) was *off*
[17:15:00] yaaar: and after about a second of the static....i saw a flash of light from behind the desk
[17:16:00] yaaar: i imediately turned the machine off, and sniffed around for the burnt component, to no avail....the whole room smelled like burnt electronics, but no one thing more than the rest
[17:16:00] yaaar: turned it back on, myth and the tuner have worked fine since........but my fridge no longer gets cold
[17:16:00] yaaar: juski: note i'm neither overclocking, nor using the fridge for any application other than its intended purpose of cooling foods
[17:17:00] yaaar: it just happens to be a few feet from the computer
[17:17:00] juski: I was joking
[17:18:00] yaaar: yeah, i figured....still, weird stuff, no?
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[17:18:00] juski: not so weird
[17:18:00] yaaar: ?
[17:18:00] yaaar: it's not like the fridge is cable-ready....
[17:19:00] juski: I bet your PC PSU was faulty, put a huge spike on the mains, that killed your fridge & would explain the flash of light behind the desk
[17:19:00] yaaar: juski: shouldn't that just blow the circuit?
[17:19:00] juski: oh wait.. it works?
[17:19:00] juski: your pc still works?
[17:19:00] yaaar: juski: the computer, tuner, stereo all work fine
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[17:20:00] juski: maybe the fridge's compressor went pop
[17:20:00] juski: wouldn't explain the flash of light though
[17:20:00] yaaar: that's what it seems like to me.....the fridge still blows air, it's just not cold
[17:20:00] juski: call in the myth.. erm.. ghost busters
[17:20:00] dev-: good luck trying to figure out this guys problem ;p
[17:21:00] yaaar: and that's the other thing....it really looked to me like the flash of light came from around the computer/stereo, not from behind the fridge
[17:21:00] dev-: its the alians man.
[17:21:00] juski: if the pc still works it rules out the PSU
[17:22:00] juski: just put it down to one of those things / smoking too much weed during the day / whatever & get your fridge fixed :-)
[17:22:00] yaaar: luckily i brew beer, so i just moved all my food into the keg fridge
[17:22:00] yaaar: juski: that's the worst part....i wasn't even baked
[17:23:00] juski: well never mind. your mythtv works – that's the main thing
[17:23:00] juski: oh wait you've not even installed that yet
[17:24:00] dev-: he did didnt he. kept thinking his mysql.txt was overwritten
[17:24:00] ** juski wonders what'd happen to a PC fitted with a TV tuner card if the antenna gets struck by lightning :-) **
[17:24:00] dev-: fries the card
[17:24:00] dev-: well, more specifically, the tuner
[17:24:00] xris: that's why some surge protectors have rf plugs on them
[17:25:00] xris: and why your antenna should be grounded
[17:25:00] dev-: zippittyzippitty zap
[17:25:00] yaaar: juski: nope, myth was installed before i plugged the coax in. and it works great
[17:25:00] juski: heh
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[17:26:00] yaaar: hmf. figure radio sack has coax-only surge supressors?
[17:27:00] juski: I'll wager lightning would fry more than the tuner. seen some nice CCTV gear with melted PCBs because something _near_ a camera got struck
[17:27:00] xris: yaaar: likely not
[17:27:00] Merlin83b: Telephone cable outside my house got hit a few years ago.
[17:28:00] juski: bye bye modem?
[17:28:00] Merlin83b: Literally shattered the modem (internal) and the mobo had burn marks, but everything apart from that PCI slot worked fine.
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[17:28:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, it kind of exploded all over the inside of the case.
[17:28:00] juski: your master socket should've stopped that
[17:28:00] Merlin83b: It didn't :-)
[17:28:00] juski: heh
[17:29:00] yaaar: had a strike at work blow up 5 out of the 8 ports on a cisco 1548 once
[17:29:00] yaaar: think it was all the ports that had stuff plugged in
[17:30:00] yaaar: but see, all those events have to do with extraneous electrical current......yesterday was a bright/sunny day....
[17:30:00] wakko: I'd give my left nut to be able to replace the boot screen and desktop on Knoppmyth.
[17:31:00] wakko: gotta find them on the HD
[17:31:00] yaaar: wakko: keep the left nut; it'll do more for you in the long run
[17:31:00] wakko: heh – I'm on kid #3
[17:31:00] yaaar: forget i said anything
[17:31:00] wakko: ;)
[17:31:00] yaaar: ;-)
[17:32:00] juski: what's the big deal about boot screens?
[17:32:00] wakko: oh – KnoppMyth's boot screen is just plain fugly.
[17:32:00] juski: my cable box shows a huge NTL logo for 5 minutes while it boots/not boots
[17:41:00] wakko: On KnoppMyth, I should be able to run the setup by typing "mythtvsetup", right?
[17:41:00] wakko: without quotes
[17:42:00] Merlin83b: wakko: Remotely or from a keyboard on the box?
[17:42:00] wakko: local – keyboard on the box
[17:42:00] Merlin83b: Then yes.
[17:42:00] wakko: I'm tryingto add a directory path for DirecTV tuner control via serial cable
[17:43:00] wakko: I get a "command not found" when I type mythtvsetup
[17:43:00] juski: mythtv-setup ?
[17:43:00] wakko: aaah
[17:43:00] wakko: that's it
[17:43:00] wakko: thanks
[17:44:00] Merlin83b: Oh, oops :-)
[17:44:00] Merlin83b: Sorry
[17:44:00] wakko: ;) thanks
[17:44:00] Merlin83b: myth <tab> <tab>
[17:44:00] Merlin83b: Will help, though...
[17:45:00] juski: you can auto-complete commands?
[17:45:00] wakko: with tab? yes
[17:45:00] wakko: that works for exaqcuting?
[17:45:00] juski: oops!
[17:45:00] wakko: I thought it was just for ls
[17:45:00] ** juski types man linux **
[17:45:00] Merlin83b: lol
[17:45:00] Merlin83b: Works for everything :-)
[17:45:00] wakko: kewl
[17:46:00] wakko: <--- newbie
[17:46:00] juski: pathnames too? suppose it would
[17:46:00] Merlin83b: Hey, gotta start somewhere, right?
[17:46:00] wakko: I use it when using cd
[17:46:00] Merlin83b: Yes, juski.
[17:46:00] juski: I'm no fscking noob though – just very embarrassed
[17:46:00] Merlin83b: Hehe
[17:46:00] Merlin83b: I couldn't tell if you were kidding or not.
[17:46:00] Merlin83b: Man, I'd be lost without tab completion!
[17:46:00] yaaar: no kidding
[17:47:00] Merlin83b: Tab may be the next most pressed key on my keyboard after space.
[17:47:00] wakko: heh
[17:47:00] wakko: I can see why
[17:47:00] juski: or next most used key after CTRL ALT DEL in my case
[17:47:00] Merlin83b: tab, /, space, enter, backspace. Very popular keys.
[17:47:00] juski: keyboard used to be used on a windows box ;-)
[17:48:00] wakko: question: when the MythTV docs reference the mythbackend configuration GUI, are they talking about mythtv-setup?
[17:48:00] juski: yes george
[17:49:00] wakko: I'm looking all over the mythtv-setup and not seeing where I'd type a directory path to mt rca.pl script for changing channels on my DirecTV box
[17:50:00] juski: external channel change command
[17:50:00] juski: capture card setup, I think
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[17:51:00] wakko: nope
[17:51:00] wakko: seeing video device and video input there – nothing else
[17:51:00] wakko: I don't see it under vide sources either
[17:52:00] wakko: ooooh found it!
[17:52:00] Cromz: under input connections?
[17:52:00] wakko: yeah – I'm thinking about this too hard.
[17:53:00] wakko: I need a break!
[17:53:00] Cromz: no breaks till you get it working :)
[17:53:00] Cromz: hehe
[17:53:00] wakko: ok biss ;)
[17:53:00] wakko: boss
[17:53:00] wakko: jesus – I can't even type anymore
[17:54:00] Cromz: ok bo{tab}
[17:54:00] Cromz: er..
[17:54:00] Cromz: lol
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[18:00:00] psofa: are there alternatives to hauppauge pvr cards?
[18:01:00] psofa: AVERMEDIA TV PVR-MCE M150  ?
[18:01:00] psofa: srry for the caps.it was a copy paste
[18:04:00] juski: depends what chipset they use
[18:05:00] juski: ivtv supports a small number of non-hauppauge cards, but I thik that only applies to pvr250 clones
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[18:08:00] psofa: :(
[18:09:00] juski: psofa: what's the big deal? PVR150 cards can be found quite easily in most places
[18:10:00] juski:
[18:11:00] psofa: well i cant drive to another country
[18:11:00] psofa: :)
[18:11:00] psofa: damn ill have to order
[18:11:00] juski: lol
[18:12:00] juski: or wait until linux supports more hardware mpeg2 cards
[18:12:00] juski: I got my leadtek pvr2000 encoding mpeg2 in linux, but without audio :-/
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[18:14:00] wakko: has the PVR 250 been discontinued? I have not seen it available lately
[18:14:00] juski: wakko: yup
[18:15:00] juski: psofa: look at the ivtvdriver.org page to see which cards are supported
[18:15:00] wakko: awww
[18:15:00] wakko: I love my 250
[18:15:00] wakko: I had to get a 150 as a second card
[18:15:00] juski: so? 150s are great too
[18:16:00] wakko: I'll find out – this its its first use
[18:16:00] wakko: apparently, the encoder is different somehow in the newer 150s?
[18:16:00] juski: yeh
[18:16:00] juski: integrated video decoder and mpeg2 encoder
[18:16:00] juski: video decoder == what converts video to digital signal
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[18:18:00] juski: whoah no wonder hauppauge cards are so good. they've made a hell of a lot of em
[18:18:00] wakko: yeah
[18:22:00] juski: hometime
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[18:41:00] wakko: Cannot seem to get input connections working
[18:41:00] wakko: to control the DirecTV receiver
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[18:46:00] jd86: anyone here play with free to air satellite tv?
[18:46:00] psofa: me
[18:46:00] jd86: how much did it cost to get it going, is it hard?
[18:46:00] wakko: It was a pain in the ass
[18:46:00] wakko: I did the pansat thing for a while
[18:47:00] psofa: Well placing the dish was the most difficult
[18:47:00] jd86: are there any like cards for the computer that work with mythtv that you can use with free to air satellite tv?
[18:47:00] jd86: and how much is the dish and thingy ?
[18:47:00] wakko: nope
[18:47:00] wakko: I wish.
[18:47:00] wakko: I'll sell ya a PanSat and diSeqc
[18:48:00] jd86: well, i'm not usually one to give people in chat rooms money for supposed devices, but how much?
[18:48:00] wakko: heh
[18:48:00] wakko: I don't know what they are going for these days. I bought it about a year ago
[18:49:00] wakko: I understand your mistrust
[18:49:00] wakko: yeah
[18:49:00] wakko: Are you SF bay area?
[18:49:00] jd86: no
[18:49:00] jd86: new england :)
[18:50:00] wakko: heh
[18:51:00] jd86: too bad it wasn't easier
[18:51:00] jd86: or cheaper :(
[18:51:00] wakko: I'd be happy to part with it
[18:51:00] wakko: it's been on my shelf for a year
[18:51:00] wakko: I'm looking at it right now
[18:51:00] jd86: well how much, maybe we can do it thru ebay or something
[18:52:00] jd86: or i dont know
[18:52:00] jd86: ...
[18:52:00] wakko: pansat 2500a
[18:52:00] wakko: (I just got it off the shelf)
[18:53:00] jd86: heh
[18:53:00] jd86: the prices really range on them, looks interesting tho
[18:54:00] wakko: ebay auction #5867478150
[18:54:00] wakko: that's the one I have
[18:54:00] jd86: that oreo didn't have any cream filling... :(
[18:54:00] jd86: cool
[18:55:00] wakko: yeah – it came through as a link – don;t know why
[18:55:00] wakko: http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-PANSAT-2500A-FTA . . . cmdZViewItem
[18:55:00] wakko: that's the exact model
[18:56:00] wakko: 2500a
[18:56:00] jd86: cool
[18:56:00] wakko: that's what it says on the front of the case
[18:56:00] wakko: looks identical also
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[18:57:00] wakko: sorry for delays – also chatting with a pal on iChat
[18:57:00] wakko: he's helping me find a Myth directory in Linux
[18:57:00] wakko: I'm not sure if the PanSat is useable with Myth
[18:57:00] wakko: I never tried
[18:57:00] wakko: I know you canot use it with BeyondTV
[18:57:00] wakko: but that's different
[18:57:00] jd86: heh i don't even know what beyondtv
[18:57:00] jd86: is
[18:58:00] wakko: oh – PVR app for Windows
[18:58:00] wakko: sucks
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[18:58:00] wakko: but easy setup – I used it for about a year
[18:58:00] jd86: i don't know if i have the money for such a thing at the moment. seems pretty cool tho
[18:59:00] wakko: I'd let it go for $50
[18:59:00] wakko: just hate for it not to get used – it's not getting used here :)
[18:59:00] jd86: then i need to find a dish and so on and so forth
[19:00:00] wakko: yeah – it's not easy
[19:00:00] wakko: I have 3 dishes in my closed
[19:00:00] wakko: closet
[19:00:00] wakko: but they're hard to ship
[19:00:00] jd86: i don't heh
[19:00:00] jd86: yea i imagine they would be
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[19:01:00] jd86: although comparitivly thats a wonderful price, i need to figure out my current funds :)
[19:01:00] wakko: no prob
[19:01:00] jd86: and if i can get a dish, with no dish theres not much of a sense of getting it
[19:01:00] wakko: info
[19:01:00] wakko: at dorseygraphics
[19:01:00] wakko: .com
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[19:03:00] jd86: yea i don't really have the money to spend right now... too bad too. maybe some time in the future i'll see ya when i have some money heh
[19:06:00] wakko: no prob
[19:06:00] wakko: heh – I should sell it on ebay ;)
[19:06:00] jd86: yea
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[19:14:00] yopla: hello
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[19:18:00] laga: i used 'startx — -dpi 100' to start X. my fonts are still too small. what else could i do?
[19:18:00] laga: (this is a very minimal gentoo install so i may be missing some fonts)
[19:19:00] Chutt: microsoft's core fonts
[19:19:00] laga: oh, thanks.
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[19:32:00] laga: thanks, that fixed it
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[20:15:00] shadash: Is there any documentation for firewire capture?
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[20:20:00] ph10: anyone ever have a problem with squelchy audio? I'm using a bt87x card
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[20:20:00] ph10: aka wingo tv
[20:23:00] wakko: noob question – how to I set exacute permissions on a .pl script?
[20:24:00] laga: chmod +x
[20:25:00] wakko: chmod +x script.pl
[20:25:00] wakko: ?
[20:25:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[20:25:00] wakko: taks
[20:25:00] wakko: thanks
[20:28:00] ph10: man.. i can't belive i've the only one here thats had to deal w/ this.. :P
[20:28:00] Led-Hed is now known as Led-Hed_
[20:28:00] Dibblah: Is anyone here with the DVB pause on live TV start problem?
[20:28:00] Led-Hed_ is now known as Led-Hed_[Out-To_
[20:29:00] Led-Hed_[Out-To_ is now known as LedHed[Out2Lunch
[20:29:00] Dibblah: Well, if anyone is and sees this, try turning off OpenGL sync.
[20:29:00] LedHed[Out2Lunch is now known as LedHed_Out2Lunch
[20:30:00] LedHed_Out2Lunch: anyone here know of a good Sega Genesis Emulator for MythGame? I can t get dGen to compile on FC4
[20:31:00] ** laga slaps LedHed_Out2Lunch **
[20:32:00] LedHed_Out2Lunch: lol
[20:32:00] LedHed_Out2Lunch: was that for my question or nick change
[20:33:00] laga: nick change.
[20:33:00] LedHed_Out2Lunch: I never changed my nick before. didnt realize there were character limits
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[20:35:00] quink: any of you get mythstreamtv working with .19 yet?
[20:36:00] dev-: just need to get the patch off the list and it works fine
[20:36:00] quink: hm. does not
[20:36:00] dev-: dev or users, one of them, dont remember wthich :) search both.
[20:36:00] dev-: does to, many people have done it
[20:36:00] dev-: :)
[20:36:00] quink: .98 is out and is supposed to have hte patch builtin now
[20:36:00] quink: unless i misunderstood
[20:36:00] quink: to patch init.php?
[20:38:00] electrichamster_: does anyone know how hard it is to get mythtv up and running on pure debian?
[20:38:00] coochan: hmm
[20:39:00] coochan: ok, why in myth 0.19, is it keeping files in the 'recordings' directory for every bit of liveTV we've seen?
[20:39:00] coochan: is that by default or a bug?
[20:39:00] coochan: (by design I mean)
[20:39:00] quink: coochan: dunno but i noticed that
[20:39:00] dev-: because thats what .19 does
[20:39:00] dev-: they're expired after a day, by default
[20:39:00] quink: and after you change channels if you rewind you can see stuff from previous channels
[20:41:00] coochan: dev-: interesting...
[20:41:00] coochan: nuvexport should probably not show those by default
[20:41:00] coochan: why does it do that anyhow?
[20:42:00] dev-: most people think this way is better than the way it worked before.
[20:42:00] quink: hm can't find the patch
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: coochan: LiveTV was changed from a ringbuffer to basically a string of "Recordings". It allows you to say hit record 20 minutes into a show and save the whole show, or at least as far back as you have been watching. Or say tomorrow morning you decide you wish you had recording somethign you saw on LiveTV last night... now you can go back and save it
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: LiveTV auto expires quickly, and channel changes/recordings under 2 minutes in size expire almost immediately
[20:45:00] dev-: default is 1 day.
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: plus LiveTV stuff is at the top of the expire list if space is needed for a regular recording
[20:45:00] dev-: GreyFoxx: you sound just like the readme
[20:45:00] dev-: are you pasting? hehe
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: No, but enough people have asked the question
[20:45:00] dev-: lots of people who dont read changelogs ;/
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: Or mailing lists
[20:46:00] dev-: hey now
[20:46:00] dev-: isnt that what the wiki's for.
[20:46:00] dev-: id think people who track svn or dev on the thing should be all up into the mailing lists :P not a requirement for users
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: Did I saw it was a requirement? I just said they aren't reading them
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: Even people who are ON the lists don't read them
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: cause for weeks the same bloody questions over and over :)
[20:47:00] dev-: it sounded like a shot at me from like a week ago when i was upgrading to .19 and someone was like "ITS ON THE MAILING LIST" :P
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: Like I remember something about you from that far back :)
[20:48:00] coochan: GreyFoxx: ok
[20:48:00] dev-: ahd this argument then, about how just plain users shouldnt be expected and required to search through/keep up with the mailing lists hehe
[20:48:00] dev-: GreyFoxx: so if its the same bloody question it should be put on the wiki ;/
[20:48:00] coochan: how is the recording flagged in the DB so the system knows not to show it as sa recording?
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: The wiki is a "new" thing
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: coochan: as a recording group I believe
[20:49:00] dev-: the wiki should alleviate the "go search the mailing lists" crap ;p
[20:49:00] dev-: replaced with "did you read the fucking wiki/"
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: I agree and disagree
[20:49:00] dev-: lol.
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: Yes, check the wiki, but don't expect someone to site down and reinterate years of mailing list archives into the wiki
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: It should be a two pronged approach
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: "new" stuff, including new commonly asked questions and such can get added to the wiki
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: But if you want a complete picture, use both
[20:51:00] dev-: wow thats not what im saying, that would be a hellava lot of work. the item i got asked and told to go search the mailing lists, was when zap2it stopped giving out 2weeks of guide data and started giving out 3 — honestly, that sounds like an announcement that might want to be made on mythtv.org, especially since tom at zap2it had no idea when it would be back to normal
[20:51:00] dev-: even though it only took a couple days ;p
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: The Wiki is too new to expect it to be a replacment for searching the lists
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[20:51:00] dev-: 3+days
[20:52:00] dev-: but its not myth fault that happened, just could have informed the users who noticed it thats all
[20:52:00] yopla: hello!
[20:52:00] dev-: honestly zap2it should have sent out an email, but yes yes people complained they 'spammed' but still...
[20:52:00] dev-: these are important events worth notifying people about :P
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: I never got an email from zap2it on the subject, who are the ones who should be informing the users
[20:52:00] dev-: yup, asi said
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: but I thought I had seen something appear on the wiki, but honestly I've spent like 3 minutes total looking at it
[20:53:00] dev-: but if im the billionth person to ask in this channel whats the deal with guide data, that kind of shows mythtv might want to make an announcement :P
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: a few edits for the changlog page before 0.19
[20:53:00] dev-: the funny part was, i asked about guide data and noone answered. several said they had no idea
[20:53:00] yopla: does somone know an easy to transcode nuv files into mpeg2? I've tried avidemux withiut success...
[20:53:00] dev-: it wasnt until hours later that chutt said to search the mailing lists
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: devel: Please, people don't go looking to help themselves first. 99% of people will find it "easier" to come in and ask rather than go look first
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[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: Wiki's, FAQ's, searchable mailing list archives, etc etc have existed for a hell of a long time, yet people still don't bnother doing their own research :)
[20:54:00] dev-: i know at least 75% of people who use mythtv are morons who want shit spoonfed to them, but still, there is at least a decent sized group of people you never hear from and who know their shit
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[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: yes, and most of them already search the archives and such :)
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[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: I don't disagree with something like that showing up on the wiki though
[20:55:00] dev-: ok ok lets drop this hehe
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: makes sense
[20:56:00] dev-: ive had a poop day so far dont mean to start a venting session
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: But whether the user has to use a browser to get to a wiki, or use a browser to search a list archive. The user still has to do the work :)
[20:56:00] yopla: errrr.... My question is stupid then?
[20:56:00] coochan: yopla: nuvexport works for me
[20:57:00] dev-: yopla: i do not believe i mentioned you or your question. self concious are we?
[20:57:00] yopla: coochan: thanx. I think it was an abandoned project
[20:58:00] wakko: Woohooo!
[20:58:00] dev-: avidemix isnt a transcoder, transcode or mencoder is what i use.
[20:58:00] coochan: yopla: definately not
[20:58:00] coochan: avidemux ?
[20:58:00] wakko: I bought a DirecTV tuner off ebay – I had the card that came with it set to bill to me, and they didn't change the location, so now I get east coast channels on one DTV box, and west coast on another!
[20:58:00] coochan: yopla: gthere are also transcoding options integrated to myth
[20:59:00] coochan: yopla: which see the main manual for Myth
[20:59:00] wakko: this ROCKS!
[20:59:00] yopla: mythtranscode?
[20:59:00] coochan: yopla: not even
[20:59:00] coochan: I mean, yes, but...
[20:59:00] yopla: I've tried it too but quite diificult
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[21:00:00] yopla: OK i'll have a look at nuveexport then
[21:01:00] yopla: THanks :)
[21:01:00] coochan: mythtv has built in transcoding options
[21:01:00] coochan: I didn't find them very difficult to configure
[21:02:00] yopla: My tuner is analog only
[21:03:00] yopla: So GUI porpose me nuv or mpeg4 if I remember
[21:05:00] yopla: see ya
[21:05:00] coochan: yopla: oic, no MPEG2 option
[21:06:00] coochan: yopla: k
[21:06:00] coochan: yopla: not sure if nuvexport does MPEG2 specifically other than dVD output?
[21:07:00] yopla: hummm I'll have to do many tests.
[21:08:00] yopla: bye
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[21:31:00] shadash: Is there any documentation for firewire capture?
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[21:56:00] ph10: anyone here consider themselves an audio expert w/ mythtv?
[21:57:00] ph10: or maybe knows someone who is, that I could get a little assistance from?
[21:58:00] ph10: are there any other mythtv related irc channels?
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[21:59:00] feld: okay so I want to upgrade to ivtv 0.4.2 but it's giving me hell
[21:59:00] feld: 2.6.15 kernel
[22:00:00] briand: ph10 what kind of assistance?
[22:00:00] dev-: 'make it go'
[22:00:00] briand: feld: 0.4.3 is the latest ivtv stable release, isn't it?
[22:00:00] feld: any suggestions? Black screen, X msgs indicate it's not getting any input. I did redo mythsetup because I know the inputs changed.
[22:00:00] feld: briand: really/
[22:00:00] feld: ?
[22:00:00] feld: i'll check
[22:00:00] briand: www.ivtvdriver.org
[22:01:00] feld: well blow me down
[22:01:00] dev-: shiver me timbers
[22:01:00] feld: ahoy!
[22:02:00] briand: avast, ye mateys.. thars wirk te be dun
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[22:04:00] briand: g'evenin, isaac
[22:04:00] feld: ahh crap no wonder
[22:05:00] briand: heheh.. figured you'd say that. :)
[22:05:00] feld: stupid irc settings (no, not that briand )
[22:05:00] feld: i'm like "why am I still connectd. This is magical!"
[22:05:00] briand: oh, well, keep readin' there, then...
[22:05:00] feld: my irc proxy is on my mythtv box
[22:05:00] ph10: briand: when playing live tv, i have have bad audio.. it has a lot of squeclh / high pitched whine to it
[22:05:00] ph10: i'm using a wintv go card
[22:06:00] briand: ph10: from a root prompt on your mythtv box, type `ivtvctl -C` and tell me what it says for "audio"
[22:06:00] ph10: i dont have ivtv
[22:06:00] briand: what driver are you using, bttv?
[22:06:00] ph10: isnt' that for the pvr models?
[22:06:00] ph10: yes
[22:06:00] ph10: bttv, snd-bt87x
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[22:07:00] ph10: i've given btaudio a try too, although in the end i belive snd-bt87x is the newer alsa version
[22:07:00] briand: I've never played with the bttv stuff — is there a utility, similar to ivtvctl, that'll show you (and/or optionally allow you to set) the various card settings?
[22:07:00] ph10: in apps like tvtime, the audio is perfect
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[22:08:00] ph10: that i've tried to find out, and i can't find anythign thus far :/
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[22:08:00] ph10: i guess i could try to install ivtv and see if it recognizes my card..
[22:09:00] briand: what kernel are you running?
[22:11:00] ph10: 2.4.29
[22:11:00] feld: briand: LiveTV not successfully started
[22:12:00] feld: I get the invalid file junk; is there a fix for that?
[22:12:00] briand: hmm... well, you might try ivtv 0.4.0 (tagged release), and see if it'll support your card. you may have to rename your bttv.ko file to bttv.ko.HIDE or somesuch so that it won't load up when you're trying the ivtv drivers
[22:12:00] ph10: ok
[22:13:00] briand: feld: do you get any error or warning messages before that?
[22:13:00] briand: feld: say, maybe in /var/log/messages and/or dmesg ?
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[22:13:00] feld: 2006-02–21 16:11:30.795 RingBuf(/mnt/mythtv//1002_20060221161130.mpg): Invalid file (fd 16) when opening '/mnt/mythtv//1002_20060221161130.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.
[22:13:00] feld: the perms work fine with 2.6.13 + ivtv 0.4.0
[22:13:00] ph10: have you used dmix at all briand? some of the documents i've read point towards maybe needing to do some rate conversions at some point
[22:13:00] feld: so its not that
[22:14:00] briand: feld: perhaps not.
[22:14:00] briand: feld: did you notice that it's trying to access /mnt/mythtv//1002...  ?
[22:14:00] feld: thats a file
[22:14:00] briand: that'd be an invalid filename, even in a fairly permissive system like linux.
[22:15:00] feld: no // works fine
[22:15:00] briand: really.
[22:15:00] feld: but i'll fix it and try again
[22:15:00] feld: yeah I see // quite often
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[22:16:00] briand: ph10: no, i've never used it... and i was thinking you might need some sorta conversion... but without knowing what it's currently set at... and, optionally, what it's set at when other apps successfully play...
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[22:16:00] feld: mnt/mythtv/1002_20060221161637.mpg'. 3 retries remaining.
[22:16:00] feld: 2006-02–21 16:16:42.647 RingBuf(/mnt/mythtv/1002_20060221161637.mpg): Invalid file (fd 16) when opening '/mnt/mythtv/1002_20060221161637.mpg'. 2 retries remaining.
[22:17:00] feld: see, the // didnt matter
[22:17:00] epictetus: feld: i can tell you what that is
[22:17:00] briand: feld: what version of MythTV are you running?
[22:17:00] feld: 0.19
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[22:17:00] epictetus: feld: at least in my experience when you get that error it has to do with the recorder/input not working
[22:17:00] epictetus: if the input was working it would create and start filling that file
[22:18:00] epictetus: like i had that last week and it was because the Firewire node of the cable box had changed
[22:19:00] epictetus: feld: also that error is from the mythfrontend; what also might be more helpful is watching the mythbackend log/running mythbackend by hand and watching the output
[22:19:00] epictetus: mythbackend will tell you what is going wrong with getting data from whatever video source it's failing to get data from
[22:19:00] JimBowen: Hi, I have mythtv more-or-less working now, but when I try to add the mistings for the channels that do not have listings, using the "fetch channels from listings source" button in mythtv-config, xmltv says it has been passed an undefined parameter.
[22:19:00] feld: well yeah but why the hell doesnt it work epictetus
[22:19:00] feld: perfectly fine with 0.4.0
[22:19:00] feld: but anything higher it refuses to work
[22:19:00] JimBowen: I have run mythtv-config with -v all, but it still doesn't tell me what these parameters were.
[22:19:00] epictetus: feld: well I don't know, i just made some suggestions..
[22:20:00] epictetus: feld: what does the mythbackend say?
[22:20:00] feld: (well not perfectly fine, i've been having some lockup issues and i'm working on em)
[22:20:00] briand: feld: what kernel revision are you running?
[22:20:00] epictetus: those frontend errors dont mean much, the whole invalid FD/can't open something-or-other.mpg is just a fancy way of saying "hey, the frontend can't read data from the backend"
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[22:20:00] feld: mythbacked has no errors epictetus
[22:20:00] feld: briand: 2.6.15.4
[22:20:00] epictetus: well what does mythbackend say when that is happening?
[22:21:00] feld: epictetus: nothing
[22:21:00] epictetus: did you try running it by hand and watching the output?
[22:21:00] epictetus: run it by hand so you get full output
[22:21:00] feld: what I pasted in the channel comes from X
[22:21:00] briand: feld: i would recommend re-installing ivtv 0.4.0, then.
[22:21:00] feld: yeah...
[22:21:00] briand: if you read up what's happening with ivtv > 0.4.2, you'll see why you're having problems...
[22:21:00] feld: i'll have to try
[22:21:00] feld: i can't believe they'd break this that badly though
[22:21:00] briand: conflicts between tuner.ko, tveeprom.ko, etc...
[22:21:00] epictetus: feld: i'm tell8ing you, mythbackend DOES say things, it prints TONS of output if you run it by hand
[22:22:00] briand: they're moving into the kernel
[22:22:00] epictetus: feld: so you're definitely wrong when you say it's printing nothing
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[22:22:00] feld: "this is our stable release" but yet nobody get it to work lol
[22:22:00] epictetus: feld: if should be doing a ton of stuff and giving you messages about all of it
[22:22:00] epictetus: if you run it by hand
[22:22:00] briand: feld: it's stable for the -bleeding-edge- folks, yes..
[22:22:00] epictetus: do you understand what i mean by "run it by hand"
[22:22:00] feld: epictetus: yes
[22:22:00] epictetus: did you try that?
[22:22:00] briand: feld: and it *requires* that you are running the latest kernel
[22:23:00] epictetus: because if you did, you would have a lot of output
[22:23:00] epictetus: and some of that output will probably tell you more about the problem.
[22:23:00] briand: well, if he read the README in ivtv 0.4.3, he'd know the problem, too...
[22:24:00] feld: briand: you mean the input devices changing order?
[22:24:00] epictetus: feld: what kind of capture card do you have?
[22:24:00] briand: feld: i mean what I said above, about the migration of various modules, used by ivtv, to the kernel.
[22:24:00] feld: pvr-250
[22:24:00] feld: briand: i know that they're trying to make it into the kernel
[22:24:00] briand: tveeprom.ko, tuner.ko, msp3400.ko, etc, etc
[22:24:00] epictetus: feld: and have you tested the driver for it and made sure you can record from it _not_ through myth?
[22:24:00] feld: but I hope they never do
[22:24:00] briand: well?
[22:25:00] briand: simply ignoring something that's stated all over their web pages and development forum as a caveat, simply because you hope they fail in their mission is just... well, asking for problems like you're experiencing.
[22:25:00] epictetus: like just read from it with a video-dump/video-capture program?
[22:26:00] epictetus: what's ivtv?\
[22:26:00] briand: end result is: you do not have a proper ivtv 0.4.3 installation. fix that, and your problem will go away.
[22:26:00] epictetus: ohhh it's your capture driver
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[22:26:00] epictetus: yeah. frontend not reading from the backend could be because backend can't talk to the capture driver
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[22:30:00] sean33: hello meat babies
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[22:35:00] sean33: cant get snes to go full screen , first has a problem opening /dev/mem so i suid snes9x binary it then fails on " x Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode "
[22:35:00] sean33: any clues ?
[22:36:00] briand: none here.. i've never even loaded MythGame
[22:36:00] sean33: dam
[22:37:00] JimBowen: Fixed it. /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt had a couple of lines that are broken under a newer version of PERL. Thanks anyway though. :@
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[22:44:00] unkle_: its quiet today...?
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[22:45:00] Juski: evening
[22:46:00] cschrader: hello
[22:46:00] unkle_: evening :) ...its quiet in here
[22:47:00] Juski: makes a change
[22:48:00] unkle_: yep
[22:48:00] unkle_: and now im gonna xrew it by asking ;)
[22:48:00] unkle_: (dont say i didnt warn you)
[22:48:00] unkle_: ...using 0.18.1 on a remote frontend and added mythmusic, tried to play some but got MADdecoder error, fiddled around (uninstalling/installing drivers and mythmusic again) which i obviously shouldnt have 'cause now cant fetch any music from the backend (was possible a couple of hours ago so not a backendproblem)...
[22:49:00] unkle_: i get an error from the frontend reading: "metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you."
[22:49:00] Juski: did the frontend's hostname change by any chance?
[22:50:00] unkle_: but thats probably just a consequence of a previous error (which i havent been able to track down in any log)
[22:50:00] unkle_: no the hostname is the same
[22:50:00] Juski: never had any issues with mythmusic in 0.18.1 myself
[22:51:00] unkle_: ok, im also very confused about this issue... when googling for that error-message i get 1 exact hit...
[22:53:00] unkle_: earlier tonight my backend ran out of space (again... popular box eh ;))... i had to reboot it and it was at about that time i lost the playlist on the frontend... could this somehow make a difference ? (on the backend, mythmusic works fine after rescanning)
[22:56:00] unkle_: heh... i guess im on my own here... thanks for the attention :)
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[22:59:00] jasta: oops
[23:00:00] sona: you probably wont be kicked
[23:04:00] jasta: Is the search feature in mythtv new as of 0.19?
[23:04:00] jasta: or new as of 0.18.1?
[23:04:00] Juski: as of 0.19
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[23:04:00] jasta: It is a useful feature, but implemented in a profoundly stupid way :)
[23:04:00] Juski: mythmusic's search is new in 0.19
[23:04:00] jasta: I have fixed it.
[23:05:00] Juski: looking forward to seeing your patch then
[23:05:00] Juski: ;-)
[23:05:00] cschrader: i just upgraded to .19 remotely from work – cant wait to get home and try it
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[23:06:00] jasta: Juski: You iterate on the keywords instead of using CONCAT().
[23:06:00] Juski: erm... so how does it work better now then? seems fine to me
[23:06:00] jasta: Replacing spaces with '%' after performing escaping and using CONCAT(artist, album, filename, title) LIKE '%query%' is more sensible.
[23:07:00] jasta: And more efficient, as well.
[23:07:00] jasta: It also implicity orders the significance of your keywords.
[23:07:00] jasta: Or rather, applies significance to the order.
[23:07:00] Juski: still possible to use a remote to enter the search words?
[23:08:00] jasta: Juski: The interface would be unaffected.
[23:08:00] Juski: my frontend will be unaffected as well – can't be bothered messing around with SVN with minimyth ;-)
[23:09:00] Juski: jasta: you submitted it yet?
[23:09:00] jasta: Juski: No, I literally just did it.
[23:10:00] jasta: Tested it on my Myth box and then came here.
[23:10:00] Juski: fair enough
[23:10:00] jasta: It is a very useful feature. I am very happy that the search capability was added.
[23:10:00] Juski: yeh me too
[23:10:00] jasta: Actually, there are quite a few simple (but significant) new features that help me manage my music collection in 0.19.
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[23:10:00] jasta: Like how it now divides by alphabetical blocks in the edit playlist view.
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[23:11:00] Juski: I thought it already did that
[23:11:00] Pitchin_uk: hi guys im having real problem with the backend service not starting
[23:11:00] jasta: Before I upgraded, it organized by alphabit, but not by alphabetical blocks.
[23:11:00] jasta: alphabet*
[23:11:00] jasta: Although I think I was 2 versions behind.
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[23:12:00] Kyler: I've been frustrated for months by dropped frames on my recordings. The worst part is that it was never a problem when I first started using MythTV. Recently I started using ivtv 0.6 and I finally realized I need to change the buffer settings. I thought I had it solved a couple of times only to get more drops shortly after reporting "success" here. Well...this time I think I've really got it. I'm loading ivtv with "mpg_buffe
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[23:12:00] jasta: Juski: BTW, I have a work in progress hack to MythMusic that invokes a Jukebox-style display :)
[23:12:00] jasta: showing an album coverart flipbook and stuff with a "voting" system.
[23:12:00] Juski: yeh 0.18 groups by numbers, then the alphabet in letter groups
[23:12:00] jasta: I did it for parties. It's pretty cool :)
[23:12:00] Juski: jasta: sounds cool
[23:13:00] jasta: Juski: It did by individual letter before. It now does by blocks of letters, which is more useful. So like A – F, H – ...
[23:13:00] Juski: yeh 0.18 did that
[23:13:00] jasta: Hmm, strange, because I am certain that it was not configured that way before. Perhaps I fumbled something in the preferences.
[23:13:00] jasta: Oh well, I like it anyway :)
[23:14:00] jasta: On an unrelated note, what is the deal with the rating default of 5 in the schema for MusicMetaData?
[23:14:00] jasta: rating should default to 3, I'd think.
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[23:16:00] Pitchin_uk: any suse users in here
[23:17:00] Pitchin_uk: hi juski
[23:18:00] Juski: hi Pitchin_uk: why you on suse now? coulda told you not to use that distro for myth.. it's a pig
[23:20:00] Pitchin_uk: ive always been on suse
[23:20:00] Pitchin_uk: its been fine so far
[23:22:00] Pitchin_uk: what do in need to check / config to get the backend service working
[23:23:00] Pitchin_uk: from boot
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[23:25:00] jasta: Is there still a Debian maintainer problem with MythTV? I may offer to become the maintainer.
[23:25:00] jasta: I had to setup the dev environment for this source hack so I might as well just use the Debian control files and upload them ;)
[23:25:00] jasta: Plus, I have so many Debian boxes that I actually end up with at least one of sid, etch, and sarge :)
[23:26:00] Kyler: jasta: Now that I have my system under control I'd like to switch to a Debian package.
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[23:30:00] Pitchin_uk: juski – you still there??
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[23:38:00] jasta: Kyler: There are Debian packages packaged by marillat, but last I checked they were out of date or somehow unusable.
[23:38:00] jasta: I think he packaged them only for unstable or something; can't recall.
[23:39:00] Kyler: jasta: Right, I've been using svn trying to ensure that I'm using the latest and greatest to eliminate my dropped frames problem. I'd be fine with 0.19 though. (I use unstable.)
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[23:39:00] jasta: I use etch on my media box. sarge on my server. sid on my workstation.
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