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Thursday, February 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] squish102: hoping cvs works
[00:00:00] b_e_n_z (n=Mercedes@pcd259124.netvigator.com) Quit ("Spammers will go to jail for life")
[00:01:00] Yellow-Snow: so what can i do?
[00:01:00] squish102: cvs [checkout aborted] :(
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[00:01:00] squish102: what did i miss on mythburn?
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[00:03:00] squish102: great it is downloading
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[00:06:00] haj: what is closed captioning?
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[00:10:00] juski: haj: subtitles
[00:12:00] haj: ah.
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[00:19:00] BloodHawk: Is anyone using a USB audio solution?
[00:19:00] BloodHawk: looking for a well supported card.
[00:19:00] Yellow-Snow: so what now?
[00:26:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: Might wanna be a little more specific on what you want to know :)
[00:27:00] Yellow-Snow: it possible to get my ati tv wonder usb working?
[00:28:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: you might ask in #ati
[00:28:00] dtm: if you can ask extremely well reasoned, specific, technical questions
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[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: i c well thats a step
[00:29:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: which you need to do anyway ;)
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[00:45:00] Yellow-Snow: arg noone there to answer =\
[00:45:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what is the device id?
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[00:45:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: no, you're not asking the right question or you have to wait.
[00:46:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what chipset is it based on?
[00:46:00] Yellow-Snow: no clue guys.. im such a helpless noob when it comes to linux
[00:46:00] Yellow-Snow: tv wonder 1.0 usb is what it is
[00:47:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: See if the latest v4l drivers register it. If they don't, it most likely will not work.
[00:47:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: The 2.6.15 kernel should be sufficient. If you don't want to upgrade your kernel, you can get the latest v4l drivers from cvs at linuxtv.org.
[00:48:00] Yellow-Snow: V4L wiki?
[00:48:00] Yellow-Snow: New v4l/dvb Mercurial tree available, replacing CVS.
[00:48:00] Yellow-Snow: or that
[00:49:00] xpis: Yep, I guess they recently moved from cvs.. so you'll have to use that.
[00:50:00] xpis: http://linuxtv.org/cvs.php
[00:50:00] xpis: (the page that tells how to check out the current code... even though it's no longer cvs)
[00:50:00] Yellow-Snow: ah thanks.. i feel so bad b/c im sooo helpless
[00:51:00] Yellow-Snow: im guessing i have to do that via my linux box.. but i have yet to find a browser on KnoppMyth
[00:51:00] xpis: What does /proc/bus/usb/devices show?
[00:52:00] xpis: hm.. does knoppmyth come with kernel headers?
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[00:52:00] Yellow-Snow: um i have no idea.. i do know while it was booting up it said "massive usb device" found
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[00:53:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow i installed firefox on knoppmyth if i remember correctly
[00:53:00] xpis: (My irc client died, so I missed about 15 seconds.. if you said anything)
[00:54:00] Yellow-Snow: do you remember how? i found a command "apt-get update
[00:54:00] Yellow-Snow: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[00:54:00] Yellow-Snow: im guessing thats how i install it?
[00:54:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: for the most up-to-date version, use the binaries from mozilla.com.
[00:55:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow that should do it, just to get a browser
[00:55:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what do you need a browser for?
[00:56:00] Yellow-Snow: http://linuxtv.org/cvs.php
[00:56:00] Yellow-Snow: to do that
[00:56:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c im trying to get my ati tv wonder usb 1.0 working
[00:56:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you can reference that page on another computer.
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[00:58:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: You need mercurial. Try apt-get mercurial
[00:59:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I haven't checked out code with it before, so you'll need to talk to someone in #v4l if you have specific questions. My last checkout a few weeks ago was before they moved from cvs.
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[01:01:00] Yellow-Snow: ok so i load xterm right?
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[01:02:00] xpis: yes
[01:02:00] Yellow-Snow: ok well it gives me permission denied so i dont think im loged in as admin or something
[01:03:00] xpis: Have you compiled any program before? If not, compiling and installing this might be too arduous a task.
[01:03:00] xpis: You will have to nix the old v4l drivers in /lib/modules, being careful to not take out v4l-core.
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[01:03:00] Yellow-Snow: hm no and yes.. used knoppix and right clicked a file and it compiled/installed
[01:04:00] xpis: First, let's see if the kernel module would even help you.
[01:04:00] Yellow-Snow: ok
[01:04:00] xpis: Copy the entire contents of /proc/bus/usb/devices to pastebin, or paste it to me in a PRIVMSG.
[01:05:00] xpis: Since you don't have a web browser, pastebin is out of the question.
[01:05:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i get there?
[01:05:00] Yellow-Snow: *hides head b/t legs*
[01:06:00] Yellow-Snow: Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due
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[01:06:00] xpis: in xterm, type cat /proc/bus/usb/devices > ~/send.to.xpis
[01:06:00] defaul: good evening everyone
[01:06:00] Yellow-Snow: k
[01:06:00] Yellow-Snow: sup defaul
[01:07:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: let me enable the nick option to allow me to get PMs from unregistered users
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[01:07:00] Yellow-Snow: ok?
[01:08:00] defaul: hey guys, can you please check if my website is still accessible. Comcast changed my ip address very early this morning. http://24.14.2.172
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: www.whatsmyip.com
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: idk xpis no such file or directory
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[01:10:00] juski: defaul: seems to be ok here
[01:10:00] xpis: The server dropped my connection, so anything said recently I missed.
[01:10:00] Yellow-Snow: idk xpis no such file or directory
[01:11:00] xpis: Did you type the command exactly as I said?
[01:11:00] Yellow-Snow: cat/proc/bus/usb/devices > ~/send.to.xpis
[01:11:00] xpis: there is a space after cat
[01:11:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[01:11:00] defaul: juski, cool
[01:11:00] defaul: :D
[01:11:00] Yellow-Snow: k now what
[01:11:00] nasa: Hi guys, back again to try and get mythweb working...
[01:11:00] xpis: now, somehow send me the file.
[01:11:00] defaul: i was very worried that comcast block port 80
[01:12:00] defaul: i found out just about 10 mins ago that my ip address changed
[01:12:00] nasa: I was wondering if it's normal to have a path that goes .../mythweb/mythweb/
[01:12:00] defaul: so i had to modify my fw settings, dyndns.org
[01:12:00] xpis: The easiest would be netcat.
[01:13:00] defaul: cat somefile |nc 1.2.3.4. 4567 :)
[01:13:00] xpis: cat ~/send.to.xpis | 71.65.48.5 4444
[01:13:00] defaul: you forgot the nc
[01:13:00] xpis: er.. yes
[01:13:00] xpis: cat ~/send.to.xpis | nc 71.65.48.5 4444
[01:13:00] nasa: hmm... That is weird.
[01:14:00] defaul: nasa, what's weird?
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: did
[01:14:00] nasa: The default install of mythweb under mandriva is messed up.
[01:14:00] defaul: xpis is waiting on his end like this, nc -l -p 4444 > somefile.txt
[01:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: did you type that?
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[01:14:00] xpis: defaul: actually, -l and -p can't be specified together... but that's beside the point.
[01:15:00] xpis: ok, it worked.
[01:15:00] Yellow-Snow: wow now thats badass
[01:15:00] xpis: and I'm looking at the file now.
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[01:15:00] xpis: How many usb devices do you have plugged in?
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: 1
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: tho when i install it via windows
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: it comes up 2 usb devices b/c it has 2 inputs
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[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: 1 cable and one svid and i have to do the drivers for both
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: idk if that helps
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[01:17:00] ** nasa is happier — he got mythweb working... **
[01:17:00] ole_schoola: nasa: what was it?
[01:18:00] ole_schoola: i was wondering about that 2*mythweb
[01:18:00] ole_schoola: http://myserver/mythweb/mythweb able to do it?
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[01:19:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I can't find any information on your device id.
[01:19:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Did you say that this is usb 1.0?
[01:20:00] Yellow-Snow: yea .. they have tv wonder usb 2.0 mines the old one 1.0
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[01:20:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: any idea what compression it uses?
[01:21:00] Yellow-Snow: mpeg-2
[01:21:00] nasa: ole_schoola: I was just posting the problem back on the list. In short Mandriva's default settings has MYSQLD_OPTIONS="--skip-networking" in its my.cnf file
[01:21:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Are you sure about this?
[01:22:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[01:22:00] Yellow-Snow: avi
[01:22:00] Yellow-Snow: just looked it up
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[01:23:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: it's looking very unlikely your tuner is supported in linux
[01:23:00] Yellow-Snow: MPEG-1 video capture supported through the use of Multimedia Center
[01:23:00] Yellow-Snow: http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-TV-Wonder-USB-Edition . . . cmdZViewItem
[01:23:00] Yellow-Snow: thats the thing
[01:23:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: If it is mpeg2, it might be possible for v4l to support it. It is working on support for some mpeg2 devices not supported by ivtv.
[01:24:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: if it's mpeg-1, it will not be supported.
[01:24:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: There is no support for mpeg-1 capture devices in v4l or elsewhere.
[01:24:00] Yellow-Snow: aight so ill throw in the towel
[01:24:00] Yellow-Snow: what card would be best to buy?
[01:25:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: besides, mpeg-1 is low quality. You should either be using an mpeg-2 or mpeg-4 hardware encoder, or a cheap framegrabber if you have a fast cpu.
[01:25:00] juski: pvr150 is great.. pvr500 is 2 pvr150 cards in one
[01:25:00] xpis: How fast is your computer?
[01:25:00] Yellow-Snow: 1.2 is what im using
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[01:25:00] Yellow-Snow: hm xpis what about this
[01:25:00] xpis: 1.2 what?
[01:25:00] juski: you can get a pvr150 for not much more than a decent framegrabber now
[01:26:00] xpis: A pvr150 will be about $80. A framegrabber on sale can be as cheap as $10.
[01:26:00] juski: what?
[01:26:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what processor is in your computer?
[01:26:00] juski: pvr150 is on offer at compusa for $60 with a $20 rebate taking it to $40 according to a recent list posting
[01:26:00] Yellow-Snow: er 1.0 athlon
[01:27:00] xpis: ok, you probably don't want to attempt software encoding.
[01:27:00] xpis: go for teh pvr150.
[01:27:00] juski: video quality is like no other card I've ever seen
[01:27:00] xpis: *the
[01:27:00] juski: (very good)
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[01:27:00] Yellow-Snow: hm i have a rage 128 w/ tv.. could i use that as backend and use my main comp w/ the tv out?
[01:28:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c the rage 128 and my geforce 5500 are both agp and cant use them both
[01:28:00] Yellow-Snow: im not looking for anything fast.. just record 1 show at a time.. and while it is recording switch to direct cable on my tv instead of live tv through the comp
[01:28:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: The geforce should work well under linux for tv out. I have no idea what a rage 128 is... what chip is on it?
[01:29:00] Beirdo: rage 128!
[01:29:00] Beirdo: that is the chipset :)
[01:29:00] Beirdo: it's an older ATI card
[01:29:00] xpis: then it will probably work fine.
[01:29:00] Beirdo: you'd be better off using the nvidia for tv-out, I think
[01:30:00] Yellow-Snow: only way to get rage 128 to tv out is vga to rca
[01:30:00] juski: I've got an old rage pro & it's very very very (very!) sucky
[01:31:00] Yellow-Snow: yea man
[01:31:00] Yellow-Snow: i know.. i used it for about 2 years back in cs years
[01:31:00] Yellow-Snow: tweaked the fuck out of it and still couldn't get shit
[01:31:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[01:31:00] Beirdo: it will do great for non-X use though, or non-intensive X use
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[01:32:00] Yellow-Snow: shit its not that.. hm 1 sec
[01:35:00] Yellow-Snow: ATI RAGE PRO 128 ALL IN WONDER TV TUNER VIDEO CARD
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: has MPEG-2
[01:36:00] Beirdo: All in wonder is NOT supported for mythtv
[01:36:00] Beirdo: next
[01:36:00] xpis: All in wonder will not work as a tv tuner.
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: so..
[01:36:00] Beirdo: you can use the display part
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[01:36:00] Beirdo: but not the capture
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: well thats not what i need
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: hehe
[01:37:00] Beirdo: if you only need display, it will work such as it is :)
[01:37:00] Yellow-Snow: no i need the tv part
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[01:37:00] Beirdo: SOL :(
[01:37:00] Yellow-Snow: only 2 tv input is that and at tv wonder usb 1.0
[01:37:00] juski: time to buy a PVR card then
[01:38:00] juski: or use ATI's very crap software in windows... eesh
[01:38:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[01:38:00] juski: my 1st pvr experiments were with an all-in-wonder
[01:38:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont buy ati cards anymore
[01:38:00] Yellow-Snow: and it didnt work?
[01:38:00] juski: it kind of worked
[01:38:00] scottder: Odd I thought I had set some programs to use the "Low Quality" setting, but they look like they are taking up the same space as the Default...
[01:38:00] juski: for about 30 minutes
[01:39:00] scottder: should they be transcoed right after the recording ends?
[01:39:00] Yellow-Snow: wow these cards run ~100
[01:39:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[01:40:00] GreyFoxx: the pvr150's can be gotten as long as $60 if you look around
[01:40:00] GreyFoxx: us that is
[01:41:00] juski: it's pretty ironic that linux is open source, mythtv is open source, but when it comes to hardware to use, your choices are limited ;-)
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: lol best buy its 200
[01:41:00] scottder: I got a PVR-150 with the IR receiver and remote for $99
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: yea thats what im seeing.. i dont mind spending 100
[01:41:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: Are you sure you are looking at the 150 and not a 350 or 500 ?
[01:41:00] scottder: got it CompUSA
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: but i wonder how much im going to like this
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 114638478899
[01:41:00] juski: compusa have it on offer for a few days.. check them out
[01:42:00] GreyFoxx: Wow, very overprices
[01:42:00] GreyFoxx: s/s/d
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: i saw
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[01:42:00] Beirdo: www.worstbuy.com
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: 60$ @ comp usa
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: not bad
[01:42:00] scottder: Watching Colbert Report today, firs time trying the commercial skipping...worked like a dream :)
[01:42:00] juski: lucky for some
[01:42:00] Yellow-Snow: and PCI so i can use my geforce
[01:43:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: I just build a box with the PVR-150 and a Geforce FX5200...works great
[01:43:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: there are no dedicated tuner cards that use AGP
[01:43:00] Yellow-Snow: oh i c
[01:43:00] Yellow-Snow: i have fx 5500
[01:43:00] Yellow-Snow: so.. the remote worth it?
[01:44:00] scottder: Well i got because I new I'd need it one way or another
[01:44:00] scottder: if only for the IR receiver anyway
[01:44:00] juski: probably worth it for the IR blaster & receiver but not the remote itself... horrible $2 thing
[01:44:00] Yellow-Snow: so get the 60$ or the 99$
[01:44:00] scottder: Yeah...may look around fora replacement or somehow make my universal work with it :)
[01:45:00] juski: scottder: a lot of universal remotes have built-in codes for the hauppauge remote
[01:45:00] scottder: question is do you want the remote, you can add it later
[01:45:00] xpis: Hm.. what codecs do people use for super low bitrate transcoding?
[01:45:00] juski: if not, you can fettle them with a JP1 cable
[01:45:00] Yellow-Snow: o really scottder?
[01:45:00] scottder: juski: thing is I already have a Tivo programmed into the universal
[01:45:00] Yellow-Snow: pci cards for remotes?
[01:45:00] scottder: nope one I got is USB
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: ah that works
[01:46:00] scottder: for reciever/blaser
[01:46:00] scottder: Yeh give you options for placement
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho so yea that card w/ my 1.0 amd would be decent?
[01:46:00] juski: receivers usually plug into the tuner card or USB
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: i still have to get a h/d for it tho =\
[01:46:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: yup
[01:47:00] Yellow-Snow: hm what time does comp usa close
[01:47:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[01:48:00] Yellow-Snow: 9
[01:48:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: 10pm, iirc
[01:48:00] juski: 10pm?!
[01:48:00] Yellow-Snow: 9 central
[01:48:00] Yellow-Snow: woot i have time to go pick one up
[01:48:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: before you do, go to www.ivtvdriver.org & see what's involved in the install process
[01:49:00] xpis: I know they were open until 10, but that must have been during the holiday season.
[01:49:00] juski: it's not as 'bad' as it looks btw.. at least it can be done ;-)
[01:49:00] Yellow-Snow: wow h/d 60$ for a 40 gig
[01:49:00] Yellow-Snow: best buy had 120 for 60$
[01:49:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: in what country is that?
[01:49:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: oh really? not bad.
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: yea to bad it expired in the 31st
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: !
[01:50:00] dtm: :[
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[01:50:00] scottder: very odd that this show didn't get transcoded...hmm
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: i didnt get it b/c i couldn't set up my box
[01:50:00] xpis: outpost.com had a 160GB sata for $50 after rebate
[01:50:00] xpis: (a few days ago)
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: damn!
[01:51:00] xpis: With free shipping.
[01:51:00] scottder: next purchases for my myth, DVD burner and better case
[01:51:00] xpis: And no tax if you are in a state without a Fry's.
[01:51:00] juski: eheheheheheh... see this on amazon... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E19CY0/q . . . amp;n=284507
[01:52:00] xpis: uh.. wrong image?
[01:52:00] juski: slightly
[01:53:00] juski: installation instructions.. prepare vegetables, add a little salt and one pint of water.. bring to the boil
[01:53:00] Yellow-Snow: wow 300 gig
[01:53:00] Yellow-Snow: 150$
[01:53:00] juski: so _that's_ what you need these days to get mythrecipe to work
[01:54:00] Yellow-Snow: ok i can go get the pvr-150 but i suck when it comes to linux so i wouldn't know how to set it up
[01:54:00] Yellow-Snow: unless knoppmyth already does it
[01:54:00] juski: knoppmyth probably will
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[01:55:00] xpis: Has anyone built an IR blaster to use with lirc?
[01:55:00] Beirdo: I'm sure lots of people have
[01:55:00] juski: many have. how many of those people are here, I don't know
[01:55:00] xpis: (I've seen the specs in the documentation.. but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually done it)
[01:55:00] Yellow-Snow: so could i get some help if some reason it dosent work? so my money wouldn't be wasted? lol
[01:56:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: yes, you can get help.
[01:56:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: you can pretty much install ivtv following a document parrot-fashion
[01:56:00] Beirdo: polly wants a cracker!
[01:56:00] Yellow-Snow: lol juski u over estimate my linux knowlege
[01:56:00] juski: but then I say that about mythtv too & look at all the carnage
[01:56:00] xpis: Are there specs anywhere for building a serial interface to a tivo ir blaster?
[01:56:00] Yellow-Snow: that card has cable out.. thats what everyone uses to connect to tv?
[01:57:00] juski: 18 months ago I could cd & ls.. that was it
[01:57:00] juski: now I can ls -al too
[01:58:00] Yellow-Snow: hm has anyone made a custom box for their comp?
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[01:58:00] Yellow-Snow: i herd someone took a old vcr and screwed the computer into it
[01:59:00] juski: that's hardly making a custom case though
[01:59:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: nope, I got a super quiet antec case for $30 the day after thanksgiving.
[01:59:00] Yellow-Snow: er i mean smaller and more hiddden
[01:59:00] juski: imho the best way is to have seperate front & back ends
[02:00:00] Yellow-Snow: or have money
[02:00:00] Yellow-Snow: and buy a tivo?
[02:00:00] juski: no
[02:00:00] juski: or have money & spend a lot making a small, quiet, fast system
[02:00:00] Yellow-Snow: hey what about instead of a remote use a old ps controler
[02:00:00] Yellow-Snow: and use the usb adaption
[02:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: why would you want to do that?
[02:01:00] juski: mythtv can be controlled with a joystick, so maybe...
[02:01:00] Yellow-Snow: well xpis that way
[02:01:00] Yellow-Snow: u can play mario cart or anything of that sort
[02:01:00] juski: if you can get mythgame to work, yeh
[02:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: You may want to consider a wireless keyboard
[02:01:00] Yellow-Snow: oh mythgame is hard to get working?
[02:02:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: it requires setting up xmame.
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: ah ok
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho let me run to best buy.. thanks for the help guys
[02:02:00] nasa: So, any word on a release date for .19?
[02:02:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: best buy? or compusa?
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: er comp
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: both are right next to each other
[02:02:00] Yellow-Snow: =p
[02:03:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: And remember, if you can't find help.. just come back in a few hours.
[02:03:00] Yellow-Snow: oh yea.. 200 for pvr-150 is such a best buy
[02:03:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: wait for the people in Europe to wake up.
[02:03:00] Yellow-Snow: ahah aight i felt so bad asking at first b/c i suck with linux soooo much.. and i know how agervating it is trying to walk someone through something in windows
[02:04:00] Yellow-Snow: afk
[02:04:00] juski: windows is a pita even when you know what you're doing though
[02:04:00] scottder: I used Jarods guide for FC4 was pretty easy
[02:04:00] juski: why do you think I'm using mythtv instead of Showshifter? ;-)
[02:05:00] xpis: mythtv is the most complex PVR solution available.
[02:05:00] juski: I would happily have paid my £30 if it'd worked, but no... and now... how glad am I?
[02:05:00] juski: xpis: it's not you know
[02:05:00] xpis: juski: what's more complex?
[02:05:00] juski: try mediaportal
[02:05:00] juski: fuck me, that's terrible
[02:06:00] juski: MCE... does the same as mythtv... when you download all the 3rd party apps & plugins
[02:06:00] juski: apart from commercial flagging ;-)
[02:06:00] mchou: juski: my feelings exactly.....
[02:07:00] mchou: not to mention onerous DRM
[02:07:00] juski: there's not a single pvr solution where it's guaranteed you just put a disc in & install it
[02:07:00] mchou: Tivo? :)
[02:07:00] juski: in the UK?
[02:07:00] juski: nope
[02:08:00] mchou: well, you brits are screwed in more ways than one :)
[02:08:00] juski: even the standalone dvb-t HDD recorders are still rubbish
[02:08:00] juski: yeh but who in their right mind would pay just to record tv? it's crazy
[02:09:00] Beirdo: at least they don't have a shrubbery for a leader.
[02:09:00] Beirdo: just someone stuck to the shrubbery's arse
[02:09:00] juski: lol
[02:09:00] scottder: Yeah but who counts the UK?
[02:09:00] scottder: :)
[02:09:00] juski: to? I thought it was up...
[02:09:00] mchou: heh, they had shrubbery's lap dog :)
[02:09:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:09:00] Beirdo: sorry, juski.. up.
[02:10:00] Beirdo: need Thatcher back
[02:10:00] juski: wait, no... the shrubbery is up..
[02:10:00] mchou: and the lap dog didnt even pee on the bush
[02:10:00] juski: it doesn't go the other way I gather
[02:10:00] xpis: juski: isn't it a bit late for people in the UK to be on irc?
[02:10:00] juski: not when people don't have to be at work in the morning, no
[02:10:00] Beirdo: some people have no life :)
[02:10:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:11:00] juski: some people had a life earlier
[02:11:00] Beirdo: that too
[02:11:00] juski: it's either that or I go round robbing from people's houses
[02:11:00] Beirdo: nah, yer too busy here
[02:11:00] juski: cos they pinched by fkin parking space again....
[02:12:00] Beirdo: so run over their dog
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[02:12:00] juski: don't show me my word count – you won't see me for dust
[02:12:00] Ediehow: hi
[02:12:00] mchou: you guys hear that West virgining had more mining accidents that resulted in deaths today?
[02:12:00] mchou: virgina*
[02:12:00] Ediehow: yeah, they stopped all mining
[02:12:00] Ediehow: anyone using mythburn?
[02:12:00] juski: virginia, even
[02:13:00] mchou: juski: exactly*
[02:13:00] juski: Ediehow: mostly, no.. tis broken
[02:13:00] Beirdo: mchou: it's an occupational hazard of mining for coal
[02:13:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: a harper fan?
[02:13:00] Beirdo: I didn't hear though
[02:13:00] Beirdo: maybe
[02:13:00] xpis: At least this didn't occur in the summer, when demand for coal would be at its highest.
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[02:13:00] mchou: Beirdo: no doubt, but 3 accidents in 1 month or so is a tad excessive
[02:13:00] Beirdo: yeah, that's a bit sucky to be sure
[02:14:00] xpis: mchou: actaully, 4. Today it was 2 accidents.
[02:14:00] juski: bbc aren't carrying the story
[02:14:00] quantum__: does anyone have problems ripping dvds with mythtv?
[02:14:00] Ediehow: did you see the bbc story about the cartoon about muhammad?
[02:14:00] xpis: juski: try sky
[02:14:00] mchou: xpis: I'm only counting the fatal ones.....
[02:14:00] juski: big deal about the caracatures of that mohammed dude though
[02:14:00] quantum__: it doesn't rip the correct audio track
[02:14:00] Beirdo: mchou: they still shaft mine in WV?
[02:14:00] Ediehow: juski: in germany and france now
[02:14:00] mchou: xpis: ok, maybe it was 4
[02:14:00] juski: xpis: for all your USA news, tune to Fox.. er I mean $ky new$
[02:14:00] xpis: mchou: 4 fatal accidents, 5 total.
[02:14:00] Beirdo: woulda thought it'd be all strip mines now
[02:15:00] mchou: Beirdo: dunno, all I know is that ppl are dead
[02:15:00] Beirdo: yeah, I hear ya
[02:15:00] xpis: juski: I'm sure sky has it well covered, nevertheless.
[02:15:00] Beirdo: tis a shame to be sure
[02:16:00] juski: not on skynews.co.uk
[02:17:00] Ediehow: i heard bbc was joining with al jazeera
[02:17:00] Ediehow: ;)
[02:17:00] juski: not quite
[02:17:00] Ediehow: i am interested in where the caricature thing will go
[02:17:00] Beirdo: ah, so we'd get balanced news still?
[02:18:00] Ediehow: i wonder if xchat has some kind of as you type spelling plugin
[02:18:00] xpis: Well, there's always news.google.com
[02:18:00] juski: even more balanced, probably
[02:18:00] mchou: Ediehow: it's caused some serious diplomatic repercussions
[02:18:00] Ediehow: mchou: it may go beyond diplomatic
[02:18:00] juski: ffs some folks need to chill out a lot
[02:18:00] Ediehow: i'm surprised it would print in france after the riots
[02:18:00] mchou: Ediehow: like an oil embargo?
[02:18:00] mchou: hehe
[02:18:00] Ediehow: but that's what happens with a free press
[02:19:00] juski: just as well you guys don't have one in the USA eh?
[02:19:00] Ediehow: we don't?
[02:19:00] mchou: juski: we learned from Murdoch
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[02:19:00] juski: damn right you did
[02:19:00] mchou: "fair and balanced"
[02:19:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, no you don't, you have a well tuned propaganda machine
[02:20:00] juski: balanced? adjusted more like
[02:20:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: that's a pretty naive viewpoint. we have a huge diversity of news here.
[02:20:00] ole_schoola: shoot, we have left media, it's called PBS
[02:20:00] Ediehow: ole_schoola: CNN
[02:20:00] Beirdo: not really, Ediehow.
[02:20:00] mchou: juski: that's the faux news byline
[02:20:00] Ediehow: CBS
[02:20:00] Ediehow: michealmoore.com
[02:20:00] Ediehow: ;)
[02:20:00] quantum__: CBS come on
[02:20:00] ole_schoola: no, no, no, just PBS
[02:20:00] mchou: ole_schoola: PBS is not "left"
[02:20:00] juski: must just be another example of the extremes getting too much attention
[02:20:00] Ediehow: quantum__: that dan rather thing was pretty bad
[02:21:00] Ediehow: mchou: err, it isn't?
[02:21:00] quantum__: no national public radio
[02:21:00] mchou: Ediehow: nope.
[02:21:00] Ediehow: mchou: let me guess, you'd consider yourself left of center, correct?
[02:21:00] ole_schoola: PBS is most certainly left
[02:21:00] Ediehow: to liberal people, liberal news is not liberal
[02:21:00] quantum__: isn't it ironic that the gov. pays for liberal propaganda via NPR
[02:21:00] mchou: it gets equal number of complaints from liberals as conservatives
[02:21:00] ole_schoola: now NPR, that's Leeeeft
[02:21:00] Ediehow: it's "mainstream"
[02:21:00] xpis: Mythtv discussion turns to political debate.
[02:21:00] Ediehow: CNN is as far from conservative as it comes
[02:22:00] mchou: Ediehow: bullshit. look up the stats.
[02:22:00] Ediehow: but we all know the NYT is notoriously conservative;)
[02:22:00] ole_schoola: OK, it's pretty fair, but it clearly stands on the left
[02:22:00] quantum__: yeah good old Dan never even saw a problem with what was done
[02:22:00] juski: we got this guy called charlie wolf on talksport over here.. he's so pro-america it's really funny
[02:22:00] mchou: there is no basis for calling NPR "left"
[02:22:00] Beirdo: CNN is propaganda
[02:22:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: for which side?
[02:22:00] Beirdo: for the "America is perfect" side
[02:22:00] mchou: NPR just know how to ask deep journalistic questions.
[02:22:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: HAHAHA
[02:22:00] Beirdo: which is a load of shit
[02:22:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: that was a good one.
[02:23:00] ole_schoola: time spent on ciritcal left issues versus critical right issues
[02:23:00] Ediehow: they had a study out of a school in california
[02:23:00] juski: I still can't get over the stuff like, you can buy as many guns as you want in most states, but you can't go to a bar & get drink just anywhere
[02:23:00] Ediehow: showing US news is notoriously left
[02:23:00] ole_schoola: when i went to Purdue (circa '90) there were public intox laws but no open container laws
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[02:23:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: is the NYT "america is perfect?"
[02:24:00] Beirdo: right and left are bogus concepts anyways
[02:24:00] ole_schoola: if you could make it from the bar, to the car
[02:24:00] mchou: Ediehow: when you have conservative News you end up with abominations like Faux News
[02:24:00] Ediehow: "abominations?"
[02:24:00] nasa: ole_schoola: you see my earlier message to yah...
[02:24:00] Ediehow: mchou: so what are you saying, you should just have liberal news sources?
[02:24:00] juski: and the fact that US public schools weren't allowed to teach evolution until quite recently.. and now it's at risk again
[02:24:00] mchou: Ediehow: Wall St. Journal is "conservative"
[02:24:00] ole_schoola: nasa: that crappy default setting, no-nw? sheesh....
[02:24:00] Ediehow: juski: err, when were they not allowed to teach evolution?
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[02:25:00] Ediehow: mchou: not the editorial sections, and i didn't say the WSJ, i said the NYT
[02:25:00] ole_schoola: Ediehow: b-4 scopes trial
[02:25:00] juski: apparently, until the late 70s or something
[02:25:00] mchou: Ediehow: huh?? WSJ is not consevative in editorials?
[02:25:00] ** nasa agrees with ole_schoola **
[02:25:00] Ediehow: juski: most education policies are decided by local schoolboards
[02:25:00] xpis: By the way.. fox news has many viewpoints. Usually, the number of viewpoints on each side is the same. It's just that they put on voices such as Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, without giving Al Franken his own show, that gets people on the left upset.
[02:25:00] Ediehow: mchou: it's conservative in most other sections aside from editorials. that's what the study found
[02:26:00] Ediehow: xpis: gretchen whatsherface is pretty left
[02:26:00] mchou: Ediehow: and most school board are run by incompetent ppl who dont understand the difference betw. science and religion
[02:26:00] mchou: boards*
[02:26:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:26:00] Ediehow: mchou: is that an argument for you, the elite, to control "the little people?"
[02:26:00] Ediehow: mchou: do you think the NYT Is liberal?
[02:27:00] mchou: Ediehow: NYT is farr from liberal....
[02:27:00] quantum__: yikes
[02:27:00] Ediehow: HAHAHA
[02:27:00] mchou: far*
[02:27:00] Ediehow: that was awesome!
[02:27:00] juski: get a balanced view.. take as much in as you can & cherry pick ;-)
[02:27:00] mchou: look at the columnists there
[02:27:00] Ediehow: juski: i read all sorts of news
[02:27:00] Ediehow: bbc, WSJ, mm.com, etc
[02:27:00] juski: pravda is good for a laugh sometimes
[02:27:00] Ediehow: mchou: if you think they are far from liberal, you are pretty far out there.
[02:27:00] to3cutt3r: How can I change the lirc controls for mythmusic? Is there a list of commands online somewhere?
[02:28:00] mchou: Ediehow: NYT is conservative compare to BBC, as an example
[02:28:00] Ediehow: i mean, they just wrote this big thing calling for alito's filibuster
[02:28:00] xpis: By the way.. speaking of fox news... My mythtv backend got stuck on livetv viewing when the frontend crashed... and I got hours and hours of Fox News rather than my recordings.
[02:28:00] Ediehow: xpis: lucky you;)
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[02:28:00] juski: oh, the humanity
[02:28:00] Beirdo: xpis: I'm surprised you didn't smash the hell out of it
[02:28:00] Ediehow: they have site set up to counter the NYT every day with an objective look at their stories
[02:28:00] ole_schoola: xpis: kill yourself
[02:28:00] Ediehow: it's kind of funny
[02:28:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: so you may end up liking harper?
[02:29:00] Beirdo: whatever
[02:29:00] Ediehow: huh?
[02:29:00] quantum__: how about c-span
[02:29:00] juski: it'd be nice to see a u-turn on all the political correctness bullshit soon.. it's about to go too far
[02:29:00] Beirdo: he's a dweeb
[02:29:00] mchou: Ediehow: David Brooks from NYT is very conservative
[02:29:00] Ediehow: mchou: if you think the NYT is conservative, there's a bridge nearby you should look into buying
[02:29:00] mchou: Ediehow: like you're the authority on Journalism
[02:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:30:00] xpis: Shouldn't mythbackend forcefully stop live tv viewing – even if the frontend doesn't respond – if there is a scheduled recording? Instead of scheduled recordings, I got Fox & Friends.
[02:30:00] Ediehow: mchou: everyone knows the NYT is liberal
[02:30:00] Beirdo: no they don't, Ediehow
[02:30:00] to3cutt3r: This is BS! Are we in #Politics or #Mythtv-Users ...
[02:30:00] Ediehow: yes, they do, they regularly give a huge slant to news stories
[02:30:00] Beirdo: just seems to be you that knows it
[02:30:00] mchou: Ediehow: you forget NYT was GWB mouthpiece in the run-up to Iraq was (aka Judith Miller)
[02:30:00] Ediehow: http://www.timeswatch.org/
[02:30:00] mchou: war*
[02:30:00] quantum__: heh I can be a liberal to. bush hate bush hate bush. bad military be nice to the terriorists
[02:30:00] xpis: to3cutt3r: #politics apparantly.. until someone asks an on-topic question.
[02:31:00] Ediehow: the jason blair thing was hilarious
[02:31:00] to3cutt3r: How can I change the lirc controls for mythmusic? Is there a list of commands online somewhere?
[02:31:00] Ediehow: particularly because they ended up admitting he got the job for racial reasons
[02:31:00] juski: to3cutt3r: mythmusic lirc keys are pretty much the same as the rest of mythtv
[02:31:00] to3cutt3r: Again...
[02:31:00] mchou: Ediehow: NYT never asked the critical questions in the run up to the war.....
[02:31:00] Ediehow: and he's the one that said it
[02:31:00] mchou: Ediehow: so tell me how NYT is "liberal"
[02:31:00] Ediehow: mchou: i just showed you a site with a zillion examples
[02:31:00] to3cutt3r: I have nothing in my .lirc that mentions mythmusic and I want to change the way my remote controls it.
[02:31:00] quantum__: I have noticed a sick change in media reporting they are now trying to refer to the Islam god Allah as God when they do quotes and you know darn well they are saying Allah,
[02:32:00] juski: look up in the docs what key does what, and edit your lirc file accordingly... as people say... it's in the FM.
[02:32:00] mchou: Ediehow: lol, run by right wingers
[02:32:00] Ediehow: mchou: so right wingers are attacking a "right wing" newspaper?
[02:32:00] Beirdo: to3cutt3r, not sure, I don't use lirc
[02:32:00] Ediehow: that seems kind of strange
[02:32:00] Ediehow: quantum__: well, allah is God in arabic
[02:32:00] quantum__: nice try
[02:32:00] Ediehow: dude, it is
[02:32:00] juski: to3cutt3r: newsflash: all the mythtv plugins are still referred to in lirc config files as mythtv
[02:32:00] Ediehow: arabic christians say "allah"
[02:32:00] to3cutt3r: Hmm... I RTFM and didn't find anything re: mythmusic and lirc
[02:32:00] to3cutt3r: Ahhh
[02:32:00] mchou: Ediehow: extreme right wingers who think NYT is too "liberal"
[02:33:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, not the ones I know
[02:33:00] to3cutt3r: <juski> That helps
[02:33:00] to3cutt3r: Ok. I'll keep working with it.
[02:33:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: so the arab christians you know, when speaking arabic, all of the sudden blurt out "God?"
[02:33:00] quantum__: Ediehow, God in common usage refers to the Jedeo Christian God,not the god of Islam, big differance
[02:33:00] to3cutt3r: Sorry for the impatience...
[02:33:00] juski: treat mythtv as a whole app, not a collection of little programs glued together like MCE is ;-)
[02:33:00] Ediehow: quantum__: that's because muslims believe the arab language is holy, so they say allah even when speaking english
[02:34:00] Beirdo: Oh, it's good to know that Ediehow knows all
[02:34:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : if they do it is only because they don't want their head sawed off with a dirty knife
[02:34:00] Ediehow: ask an arabic christian what the arabic name for "God" is.
[02:34:00] to3cutt3r: l8r
[02:34:00] juski: np
[02:34:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: one of my best friends is lebanese.
[02:34:00] juski: ask me what the name for anyone's god is...
[02:34:00] Beirdo: my old boss is Lebanese and Christian
[02:34:00] Ediehow: quantum__: so you think arabic christians say the english word for God, even if they don't know english?
[02:34:00] juski: and I'll say oh I dunno... it's all made up ;-)
[02:34:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: ok, ask him what the arabic word for God is.
[02:35:00] mchou: Ediehow: there is no GOD but allah
[02:35:00] Yellow-Snow: lol last one
[02:35:00] Beirdo: anyways, you are missing the whole point
[02:35:00] mchou: Ediehow: so dont be stupid
[02:35:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: no, i'm not, allah is arabic for God.
[02:35:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : you thinki they refer to the god of Islam when they speak
[02:35:00] scottder: Religion and politics on the internet.....this never ends well
[02:35:00] juski: you don't need mind control when you've got religion
[02:35:00] scottder: kind of like real life
[02:35:00] scottder: :)
[02:35:00] Yellow-Snow: juski they had another card
[02:35:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Great. you're back just in time to join in the mythtv political debate of 2006.
[02:35:00] mchou: Ediehow: so there is no allah but allah?
[02:35:00] Ediehow: quantum__: when muslims refer to allah, they are referring to the god of islam, that's right. but i am telling you that "allah" literally means God
[02:35:00] mchou: Ediehow: you make a lot of sense. NOT!
[02:35:00] Yellow-Snow: that was basically comp usa's brand w/ mpeg-4 for ~50
[02:35:00] Yellow-Snow: tho i didnt get it
[02:36:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : I have heard arib Christians speak and yes they do not say Allah
[02:36:00] Ediehow: quantum__: were they speaking arabic?
[02:36:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: The compusa brand wouldn't work most likely
[02:36:00] kormoc (n=kormoc@c-24-19-148-45.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit ("Done with work, yay! ( http://www.openbash.org )")
[02:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yea thats what i figured
[02:36:00] juski: I just wonder what any jihadists would do in Manchester.. there ain't enough virgins to go round anymore
[02:36:00] scottder: Arib? do you mean Arab....
[02:36:00] scottder: at least spell it right
[02:36:00] Beirdo: juski, they'd go up to Scotland and find some sheep
[02:36:00] Beirdo: oh wait, that wouldn't help, would it?
[02:36:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : that is double speak Allah refers to the god of Islam....yes they difine him as "god", but that has nothing to do with God
[02:36:00] juski: they'd have a fight on their hands...
[02:37:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . p;pfp=BROWSE
[02:37:00] Ediehow: quantum__: err, all i am saying is that allah literally means God.
[02:37:00] Yellow-Snow: anyone ever seen it?
[02:37:00] mchou: Ediehow: for someone who thinks NYT is liberal, you're remarkably uninformed.....
[02:37:00] juski: rumour has it, that's what the Romans tried going there for
[02:37:00] Ediehow: mchou: what is the arabic word for god?
[02:37:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, who cares?
[02:38:00] quantum__: Ediehow, to put is simply Allah=god Mohammad wrote in Quran, God=Jedeo Chrisitan God,the Creator
[02:38:00] juski: wikipedia says it's Allah, so it must be true (tm)
[02:38:00] Beirdo: and I'm sure they have more than one word, much like most languages
[02:38:00] Ediehow: quantum__: i am not arguing about what is meant, i am just saying that allah is the arabic word for God
[02:38:00] Ediehow: just like matte is the japanese word for attention
[02:38:00] Ediehow: obe = belt
[02:38:00] Ediehow: etc
[02:38:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: That's just a framegrabber
[02:38:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : to say "god" fails to account for the lingusitc background that defines the word
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: i didnt get it
[02:39:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: good.
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . amp;pfp=cat3
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: is that a good deal?
[02:39:00] Ediehow: quantum__: look, if you don't agree with me, next time you see an arab, ask them what God is in arabic.
[02:39:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: So, you got the pvr 150?
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[02:39:00] quantum__: Ediehow, you don't seem to comprend logic, I give up
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: i had to look for it b/c it was not in the spot it was sposed to be
[02:39:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: it's a fair deal
[02:39:00] mchou: Ediehow: the arabic for god is "elahi"
[02:39:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: There have been better.
[02:39:00] Ediehow: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: 200 gig is enough tho eh?
[02:40:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the more the better.
[02:40:00] quantum__: I upgraded to 400, so I don't have to delete much any more
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: quantum do u save dvd's on your hd?
[02:40:00] mchou: Ediehow: you're so out of your depth.
[02:40:00] juski: 200 gig is about enough for 100 hours
[02:40:00] juski: ish
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: fuck thats enough for me
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i only need 3–4 shows
[02:40:00] Ediehow: mchou: it must be a conspiracy
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: watch and delete
[02:40:00] scottder: But please...beat the topic to death more Ediehow ...really please do
[02:41:00] quantum__: Yellow-Snow, some
[02:41:00] scottder: plenty of places for discussions like this..take them there
[02:41:00] quantum__: I have an extra 160 GB drive for DVDs
[02:41:00] ** juski waits for the "I'm not racist but.." remark **
[02:41:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: keep an eye on sites such as fatwallet.com for deals on hard drives.
[02:41:00] Ediehow: somehow, the arab chrisitans of the world conspired with the NYT to make it out to be liberal when it's conservative, and to confuse people as to what 'allah' means.
[02:41:00] mchou: scottder: Ediehow is hust strutting his ignorance :)
[02:41:00] mchou: just*
[02:41:00] Ediehow: mchou: being condescending isn't really helping your point
[02:41:00] Yellow-Snow: hm so you would sugest just wait and keep my eye open for a couple of weeks?
[02:41:00] Ediehow: i mean, after all, you believe the NYT Is conservative.
[02:42:00] Ediehow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
[02:42:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, so you coulda rewritten that
[02:42:00] mchou: Ediehow: I told you what the arabic word for god is, and it's not allah
[02:42:00] Beirdo: that's a wiki
[02:42:00] Ediehow: Arab Christians and various Arabic-speaking Jews (including the Teimanim, several Mizra?i communities and some Sephardim) also use it to refer to the monotheist deity.
[02:42:00] scottder: Ediehow: whats the arabic words for "Shut the hell up"
[02:42:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: that's why i refer to my friend in lebanon who said the same.
[02:42:00] scottder: go find that out for us, ok
[02:42:00] Ediehow: scottder: i'm not the only one talking about this.
[02:42:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: if you can, probably.
[02:42:00] Yellow-Snow: 400 gig usb for 40$?
[02:42:00] Yellow-Snow: wtf
[02:43:00] scottder: Ediehow: good point...hey guys....don't feed the troll...ok?
[02:43:00] juski: what what what?
[02:43:00] mchou: Ediehow: just because you know a palestinian that makes you an authority on Arabs?
[02:43:00] Beirdo: I'm sure there's more than one word, just like almost every other language.
[02:43:00] Beirdo: jeez
[02:43:00] Ediehow: err, a lebanese is a palestinian?
[02:43:00] mchou: Ediehow: at least I've lived in the Middle East
[02:43:00] Ediehow: mchou: you've lived in the middle east and you call lebanese people palestinians?
[02:43:00] mchou: Ediehow: ok, my mistake, lebanese. But the point stands.
[02:43:00] Beirdo: there are a lot of palestinians in Lebanon too
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: any brand for haddrive?
[02:44:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: there are also french people there
[02:44:00] Beirdo: Yellow-Snow, Seagate :)
[02:44:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: no.. only good brands.
[02:44:00] nasa: anyone tried to do this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/147745
[02:44:00] Ediehow: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Arab_Christians
[02:44:00] mchou: Ediehow: you happen to know one peron of aabic descent doesnt make you an "Arabic" expert.
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: www.pricewatch.com someone pick one out?
[02:44:00] Beirdo: ahah, another wiki
[02:45:00] Beirdo: heh.
[02:45:00] Ediehow: mchou: what country are you in?
[02:45:00] mchou: Ediehow: you think wikipedia is accurate?
[02:45:00] Beirdo: you know ANYONE can put misinformation into a wiki, right?
[02:45:00] Ediehow: mchou: i don't think you are accurate, that's the point.
[02:45:00] mchou: Ediehow: lol
[02:45:00] juski: or a newspaper, even
[02:45:00] quantum__: http://www.shaam.homestead.com/files/Allah_Miracle.jpg
[02:45:00] Beirdo: so true
[02:45:00] Beirdo: or onto TV news
[02:45:00] mchou: you dont think or you cant prove?
[02:45:00] Ediehow: mchou: you think lebanese are palestinians
[02:45:00] Ediehow: you also think the NYT is conservative
[02:46:00] Ediehow: what else can we expect?
[02:46:00] quantum__: important info
[02:46:00] Beirdo: oh for goodness sakes!
[02:46:00] mchou: noh, I just wasnt paying attention in that case.
[02:46:00] Ediehow: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9005770
[02:46:00] Ediehow: not a wiki
[02:46:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Fry's has that hard drive you were looking at for $70 with no rebates.
[02:46:00] Ediehow: so apparently the britannica is also a part of my grand scheme.
[02:47:00] Yellow-Snow: which one?
[02:47:00] mchou: Ediehow: and look what I said originally: [18:39:40] <mchou> Ediehow: the arabic for god is "elahi"
[02:47:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the 200GB maxtor
[02:47:00] Ediehow: "Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."
[02:47:00] scottder: Ediehow: now the lucky person to be the ONLY person on my ignore list....enjoy
[02:47:00] Ediehow: scottder: thx buddy
[02:47:00] mchou: Ediehow: like al ilah, get it??
[02:48:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis compusa has it for 40$
[02:48:00] Yellow-Snow: er 50$
[02:48:00] juski: time to hit-eth the hay-eth
[02:48:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : I have never heard an educated Arabic Christian talk about worshing Allah
[02:48:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: that's after a $65 Mail In Rebate.
[02:48:00] juski: night all.. hope this all fizzles out soon
[02:48:00] mchou: Ediehow: dumbass, you just proved yourself wrong with that citation from brittanica
[02:48:00] Ediehow: i did?
[02:48:00] Ediehow: Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims.
[02:48:00] Yellow-Snow: yea well i dont care about waiting for the rebates
[02:48:00] Ediehow: isn't that what i've been saying?
[02:48:00] Yellow-Snow: i just do them @ work
[02:48:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : I think the web page really shed some light on the issue
[02:48:00] Ediehow: quantum__: ask an arab christian how they refer to God in arabic.
[02:49:00] mchou: 'Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, "the God."'
[02:49:00] mchou: Ediehow: ^^
[02:49:00] Ediehow: err
[02:49:00] Ediehow: so you are saying because it means "the God" instead of "God".....
[02:49:00] quantum__: still looking the one god
[02:49:00] Ediehow: quantum__: err, that implies monotheism.
[02:49:00] quantum__: they keep saying but it is hard to find something that isn't biased
[02:49:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: there have been better deals though. I believe there was a 250GB for $40 PATA.
[02:49:00] Ediehow: which is what jews/christians believe.
[02:49:00] Yellow-Snow: i cant use pata
[02:50:00] mchou: allah and al-Ilah are not etymologically the same
[02:50:00] xpis: That one you were looking at was PATA
[02:50:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : yeah sure they claim to be monotheistic, but it is still not God they are talking about
[02:50:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[02:50:00] Yellow-Snow: ata
[02:50:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . amp;pfp=cat3
[02:50:00] mchou: Ediehow: you're such a dumbass
[02:50:00] Ediehow: quantum__: i am not saying it is the same god, i am just saying that christians use the same word.
[02:50:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: that *is* PATA
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[02:51:00] Ediehow: mchou: for the 10th time
[02:51:00] Beirdo: <mchou> Ediehow: you're such a dumbass
[02:51:00] Ediehow: Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims.
[02:51:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:51:00] Yellow-Snow: Ultra Series 200GB Hard Drive
[02:51:00] Yellow-Snow: 7200RPM, Internal, ATA/133
[02:51:00] Ediehow: that's what i've said the whole time.
[02:51:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah blah blah blah
[02:51:00] Ediehow: straight from the encyclopedoa./
[02:51:00] Ediehow: encyclopedia.
[02:51:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: which is PATA using modern terminology.
[02:51:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[02:51:00] Ediehow: mchou: and your response hasn't been anything more than calling me names and what not.
[02:52:00] Beirdo: OK, you're a deaf dumbass
[02:52:00] mchou: Ediehow: you're are so stupid. Allah is specific form of God. al-Ilah is "generic" god.
[02:52:00] Ediehow: mchou: you sound like a little kid
[02:52:00] Ediehow: you can't seem to form a sentence without an insult.
[02:52:00] mchou: Ediehow: and the two are not the same
[02:52:00] Ediehow: mchou: as i have repeatedly said
[02:52:00] ole_schoola: mythfilldatabase --do_channel_update ... er ... don't
[02:52:00] quantum__: "Here we can show you just how recent Muslim apologetics still falter in their efforts to prove that Allah is the God of the Bible"
[02:52:00] Ediehow: arab christians use the word "allah"
[02:53:00] Ediehow: that is all i have said
[02:53:00] xpis: May I suggest creating #mythtv-politics?
[02:53:00] Ediehow: and you have done nothing to prove that is not the case.
[02:53:00] quantum__: http://www.answer-islam.org/AllahisnotGod.html
[02:53:00] quantum__: still looking
[02:53:00] Ediehow: except keep insulting me and sound like some doofus who doesn't have a clue of what he is talking about.
[02:53:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, YOU disproved it
[02:53:00] Yellow-Snow: PATA requires what?
[02:53:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: i disproved what?
[02:53:00] Ediehow: Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims.
[02:53:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: motherboard IDE support
[02:53:00] Yellow-Snow: oh i thought PATA was the short pins
[02:53:00] Ediehow: quantum__: like i said, if you don't believe me, go ask an arabic SPEAKING christian what the word for God is in arabic.
[02:54:00] quantum__: read the web page, they refute what you are saying
[02:54:00] Ediehow: quantum__: dude
[02:54:00] Ediehow: for the 10th time
[02:54:00] Ediehow: i am not talking about the personhood.
[02:54:00] Beirdo: read the whole damn article, shut up and listen to logic
[02:54:00] Ediehow: i am saying the WORD
[02:54:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I think you're confusing SATA and PATA
[02:54:00] Ediehow: the WORD Is the same
[02:54:00] Ediehow: that is all i have said this whole time.
[02:54:00] Ediehow: i did not say they believe in the same being
[02:54:00] Yellow-Snow: oh yea
[02:54:00] Ediehow: sheesh.
[02:55:00] quantum__: Often the missionaries try to argue that the name for God is Yahweh, and that since Allah ( ) is not etymologically related to this name (though they sometimes reluctantly admit that Elohim is related), it therefore follows that Muslims worship a different deity.
[02:55:00] Beirdo: mchou has shown you repeatedly from your OWN "proof" that you are incorrect
[02:55:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: no he hasn't, he has repeatedly said something about al-lah
[02:55:00] Ediehow: i have repeatedly said that arabic christians use "allah" when referring to God.
[02:55:00] Ediehow: and i quoted britannica which said that
[02:55:00] mchou: Ediehow: no, I said al ilah
[02:56:00] Beirdo: which is right outta the britannica
[02:56:00] Ediehow: "Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."
[02:56:00] mchou: which is notr the same as al lah
[02:56:00] Ediehow: right out of the britannica.
[02:56:00] mchou: not*
[02:56:00] quantum__: Ediehow, how many of these Arabic Christians do you know
[02:56:00] xpis: Could the Allah/God discussion be boved elsewhere? (this is user to user support) May I suggest #mythtv-politics
[02:56:00] Ediehow: a bunch.
[02:56:00] Ediehow: do you want one of their email addreses?
[02:56:00] Beirdo: i.e. 1
[02:56:00] Ediehow: addresses?
[02:56:00] Beirdo: no
[02:56:00] Ediehow: he goes to UAB.
[02:56:00] Ediehow: he used to live here
[02:56:00] Ediehow: and left after 9/11.
[02:56:00] Beirdo: good for him
[02:57:00] quantum__: I think I saw one have a drink with Larry King
[02:57:00] mchou: Ediehow: ArabicAllahu la ilaha ila huwal hayyul qayyum
[02:57:00] mchou: which translates into English as: "God! There is no god but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal".
[02:57:00] Ediehow: quantum__: you keep arguing about what this and that means.
[02:57:00] Beirdo: quantum__, much of Lebanon is Christian, and Arabic
[02:57:00] Ediehow: i am telling you what word they use, specifically.
[02:57:00] mchou: Ediehow: you get it now?
[02:57:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: most of lebanon is still muslim.
[02:57:00] Ediehow: 70% or so
[02:57:00] Ediehow: since the civil war.
[02:57:00] Ediehow: which doesn't really have anything to do with what i am saying
[02:57:00] Ediehow: since it's still a majorly arabic speaking country
[02:58:00] ** nasa agrees with xpis.... **
[02:58:00] Ediehow: so if he and his family refer to God as "allah" that ,kind of proves my point
[02:58:00] Beirdo: no, that means HE does that
[02:58:00] mchou: Ediehow: notice the difference in case of God and god in the arabit statement
[02:58:00] mchou: arabic*
[02:58:00] Ediehow: "Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."
[02:58:00] Ediehow: mchou: how many times must i paste that?
[02:58:00] xpis: The topic of #mythtv-politics: "Discussion of politics, world events, and Fox/Faux news as it relates to mythtv users".
[02:58:00] Beirdo: if me and my family refer to GWB as "George W. Dumbass", that doesn't make it his name
[02:58:00] Ediehow: seriously?
[02:58:00] quantum__: Did you read page I posted, they refute quite well what you are tyring to say
[02:59:00] mchou: Ediehow: just because you pate it downt mean it's true.
[02:59:00] Ediehow: quantum__: again, you are talking about the personhood, not the literal word.
[02:59:00] Ediehow: mchou: i quoted that from the britannica!
[02:59:00] mchou: pasted*
[02:59:00] Ediehow: look at the first paragraph!
[02:59:00] xpis: This is user-user support. Political discussion in here makes the on-topic discussion scroll.
[02:59:00] Ediehow: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9005770
[02:59:00] mchou: Ediehow: you're being so dense*
[02:59:00] adante: IN SOVIET RUSSIA, RELIGION ARGUES ABOUT YOU
[02:59:00] Ediehow: look at the first paragraph.
[02:59:00] ** nasa wonders when the next release of MYTHTV will be... **
[02:59:00] xpis: nasa: soon.
[02:59:00] Ediehow: mchou: again, you are the person who says the NYT is conservative, so truth seems to evade you.
[03:00:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, accroding to the CIA...
[03:00:00] xpis: nasa: "as soon as major bugs are fixed"
[03:00:00] mchou: Ediehow: haha, and I bet you believe Faux News as Gospel truth.
[03:00:00] Beirdo: 59.7% muslim, 39% Christian in Lebanon
[03:00:00] nasa: I figure I will wait till next release before I let family at the box...
[03:00:00] Ediehow: gospel truth?
[03:00:00] Beirdo: which is a significant portion of the population anywhere in the middle east
[03:00:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: 60 40 then
[03:00:00] xpis: nasa: are you using svn?
[03:00:00] mchou: Ediehow: read the first sentence from Brittanica quote.
[03:00:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: err, the main language is still arabic.
[03:01:00] nasa: no, I am using mandriva...
[03:01:00] Ediehow: mchou: what was my original claim?
[03:01:00] mchou: Nothe how they capitalize God
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[03:01:00] Beirdo: oh jeez, are you stupid?
[03:01:00] Ediehow: that arab christians use "allah" in reference to God.
[03:01:00] Ediehow: "Allah is the standard Arabic word for ?God? and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."
[03:01:00] mchou: Note*
[03:01:00] nasa: xpis: I would like to not do much *devel* on that box
[03:01:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: so you are saying most lebanese do not speak arabic?
[03:01:00] xpis: nasa: no.. mythtv version. Are you using 0.18 or svn.
[03:01:00] Beirdo: no
[03:01:00] nasa: oh, 0.18
[03:01:00] Ediehow: then what are you saying?
[03:01:00] ** scottder thinks Ediehow is just a script/bot repeating the same shit over and over **
[03:01:00] Beirdo: scottder, if only we were that lucky
[03:01:00] Ediehow: we're talking about arab christians use in reference to God.
[03:01:00] xpis: nasa: Yes, much improvement has happened since then.
[03:01:00] mchou: Ediehow: it doesnt say: "Allah is the standard Arabic word for *g*od and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."
[03:02:00] Ediehow: mchou: you're not serious, are you?
[03:02:00] quantum__: I have retained the word Allah throughout, because THERE IS NO CORRESPONDING WORD IN ENGLISH. The word Allah (the stress is on the last syllable) has neither feminine nor plural, and has never been applied to anything other than the unimaginable Supreme Being. I use the word "God" ONLY WHERE THE CORRESPONDING WORD ILAH IS FOUND IN THE ARABIC. (Pickthall, Mohammad M., The Glorious Quran, pg. 1; Translator's Note, Library of Islam; KAZI
[03:02:00] quantum__: Pub. Inc, 10th Revision, 1994; ISDN 1-56744-044–4)
[03:02:00] nasa: xpis: does svn break often?
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[03:02:00] mchou: Ediehow: the next sentence tells you what the generic for of arabic for *g*od is.
[03:02:00] mchou: Ediehow: how is that not serious?
[03:03:00] mchou: Ediehow: you're intentionally being dense.
[03:03:00] Ediehow: mchou: so let me get this straight, you are saying that arabic christians, when speaking arab, say what, when they are referring to God?
[03:03:00] scottder: Politics and Releigion need to get their own damned internet
[03:03:00] scottder: AnnoyNet
[03:03:00] mchou: they say "al-ilah" when reverring to god generically
[03:03:00] scottder: :)
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[03:03:00] quantum__: of course that is what Mohammad taught, not what God taught, He taught there is no other God besides Himself and proved it
[03:04:00] Ediehow: quantum__: for the 20th time, i am not talking about them meaning the same God.
[03:04:00] mchou: and the say Allah, Yahweh, for specific instantions of their own God
[03:04:00] Ediehow: yahweh is hebrew, mchou
[03:04:00] Ediehow: sheesh.
[03:04:00] Beirdo: so?
[03:04:00] Ediehow: so they just throw a hebrew word in there?
[03:04:00] Beirdo: it's also used in English
[03:04:00] Beirdo: what's your point?
[03:04:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: so you think arab christians say "yahweh" whenever referring to God?
[03:04:00] mchou: Ediehow: I used Yahweh as an example.
[03:05:00] Beirdo: oh good GOD
[03:05:00] quantum__: yeah the point is Muslims even admit that God in English does not refer to their god
[03:05:00] Ediehow: mchou: i don't understand what you don't understand about that page, it specifically says that arabic christians and muslims use "allah" when referring to "God"
[03:06:00] Ediehow: quantum__: do you know why muslims who speak english say "allah?"
[03:06:00] mchou: Ediehow: you also seem to forget not all arabs are not moslem or christian.
[03:06:00] Ediehow: mchou: uhhh
[03:06:00] Chutt: i think some people need to go talk in #religion_for_weenies
[03:06:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, because their religion dictates that they SHOULD speak Arabic.
[03:06:00] Ediehow: we're not talking about that, again we're talking about what christian arabs use as a word to refer to God.
[03:06:00] Beirdo: no, YOU are
[03:06:00] scottder: All this bandwidth that could have gone to something useful...like downling MMmm Bop
[03:06:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: you're right, i am.
[03:06:00] Beirdo: we are just feeding the troll
[03:06:00] Ediehow: that's all i have been talking about since the beginning of this.
[03:07:00] quantum__: Ediehow, : the last quote I posted responds to that question. did you read it?
[03:07:00] xpis: Chutt: it all started with discussion on news sources for the latest WV mining disasters about 40 minutes ago.
[03:07:00] Ediehow: quantum__: you are still talking about definitions.
[03:07:00] Ediehow: and whether or not christians and muslims believe in the same god
[03:07:00] Yellow-Snow: what does the ir transmitter do?
[03:07:00] adante: transmits ir
[03:07:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, we just don't really care, you realize that?
[03:07:00] adante: :D
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[03:07:00] quantum__: talking definitions? yeah maybe
[03:07:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: oh, i just figured you were usually this obnoxious.
[03:07:00] nasa: xpis: and it's like the energizer bunny — keeps going and going...
[03:08:00] quantum__: I am not presenting heresay
[03:08:00] BloodHawk: is there a common problem with the nvidia driver causing xorg to max out CPU usage while playing HD content?
[03:08:00] Ediehow: you and mchou anyway.
[03:08:00] Ediehow: quantum__: arab christians often refer to "Allah" when speaking about God. that's my entire point.
[03:08:00] Beirdo: who... cares?
[03:08:00] quantum__: who
[03:08:00] mchou: there are plenty of Zoroastrian, Baha'i
[03:08:00] scottder: Hey guys...how about moving this to another channel or something...
[03:08:00] scottder: there is #relgion....go there
[03:08:00] Beirdo: meh
[03:08:00] xpis: nasa: what's worse – it all started with me suggesting to juskii that Sky might be covering the story when he said the BBC was not. It hasn't stopped since.
[03:09:00] Beirdo: I suggest #Ediehow-knows-all
[03:09:00] Ediehow: xpis: it took off when mchou said the NYT was notoriously conservative.
[03:09:00] scottder: Beirdo: fine...long as it's NOT here
[03:09:00] Ediehow: look, don't take my word for it, ask an arabic speaking christian.
[03:09:00] quantum__: do you know why Arbic Christians don't refer to God as Allah when speaking
[03:09:00] Ediehow: i've siad that since the beginning.
[03:09:00] mchou: Ediehow: you think when Zoroastrian Baha'i faiths say "god" in arabic they use the arabic word "allah?"
[03:09:00] scottder: "Don't feed the troll" words to live by
[03:09:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Chutt
[03:09:00] Chutt: enough.
[03:09:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[03:09:00] Beirdo: I agree, Chutt :)
[03:09:00] Chutt: i seem to see your name participating.
[03:09:00] quantum__: do you know why CNN is now calling Allah God when they do the translations
[03:10:00] Ediehow: mchou: apparently it's a conspiracy that the britannica is a part of.
[03:10:00] Beirdo: I think I've done enough damage myself
[03:10:00] Ediehow: quantum__: there's diff reasons for that.
[03:10:00] Chutt: i'm going to start banning anyone continuing the conversation.
[03:10:00] Beirdo: Ediehow, discussion is over.
[03:10:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: why are you specifically addressing me?
[03:11:00] Yellow-Snow: hey how about instead we help yellow
[03:11:00] Yellow-Snow: yes yes great idea!
[03:11:00] Ediehow: ;)
[03:11:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what do you need help with? Anything you asked probably scrolled off the screen in 10 seconds.
[03:11:00] Yellow-Snow: haha
[03:11:00] Yellow-Snow: nothing yet!
[03:12:00] Beirdo: well that's easy to help with :)
[03:12:00] Yellow-Snow: reinstalling knoppmyth
[03:12:00] Yellow-Snow: lol no whats the point of the ir transmiter
[03:12:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: to control your cable box
[03:12:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
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[03:12:00] Yellow-Snow: dont have one
[03:12:00] Beirdo: generally to transmit channel changes to cable box/sat receivers
[03:12:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: then you don't need one
[03:12:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[03:13:00] Yellow-Snow: do the pvr-250 and such have cable out and in?
[03:13:00] Beirdo: well, cable in
[03:13:00] Yellow-Snow: anything have cable out?
[03:13:00] Beirdo: hmm, not that I've heard of
[03:13:00] Yellow-Snow: hm i wonder why not
[03:13:00] Beirdo: generally, you get svideo or composite out
[03:13:00] Beirdo: better quality
[03:13:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[03:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the PVR 350 has video out.. but not IR out.
[03:14:00] Beirdo: and fewer parts required
[03:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: er.. RF out
[03:14:00] Yellow-Snow: oh really? i would think cable out is better
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Uhhh no it doesn't
[03:14:00] Beirdo: not by a long shot
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: xvideo and composite
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: err svideo
[03:14:00] Yellow-Snow: hm to get this hd or not
[03:14:00] Yellow-Snow: my 2 10 gigs wont cut it!
[03:14:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: I never said it had RF out. I said it *didn't*
[03:14:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: sorry, missed read your correction heh
[03:15:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: As I said earlier, if you act at the right time you can get some excellent HD deals.
[03:16:00] Yellow-Snow: but we are not talking about much much better
[03:16:00] Yellow-Snow: maybe i can get my dad to upgrade
[03:16:00] Yellow-Snow: so i can get his old shit
[03:16:00] ** nasa has a problem... xine refuses to die... **
[03:17:00] Yellow-Snow: oh god not this shit again
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[03:18:00] Yellow-Snow: wow i add the other hd and install knoppmyth and it wont boot
[03:18:00] Yellow-Snow: some reason that other hd fucks it up
[03:18:00] xanderp: help please: working on a gentoo frontend box that is on an epia M10000 mobo. I have followed the epia howto's to get the video working, and it does work in xorg, but when i launch mythfrontend from a console and then try to playback video i get the following logged to the console: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.
[03:19:00] xanderp: the screen is black, and the local console is locked up. the only way i can get access again is to ssh in and reboot.
[03:19:00] quantum__: nasa use the solid rocket booster, when they go off nothing remains
[03:19:00] Yellow-Snow: hm why does that other hd stop it from booting up?
[03:20:00] ** nasa does usually like the brute force approach **
[03:20:00] Beirdo: Yellow-Snow, sure you have the slave/master settings on the drives correct?
[03:21:00] Yellow-Snow: hm remove it and it still dosent boot.. so im guessing that other hd fucks the install
[03:21:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: are they on the same IDE channel?
[03:21:00] Beirdo: oh
[03:21:00] Yellow-Snow: yea its right.. master hd second master hd second slave cd
[03:21:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[03:21:00] nasa: when doing "ps aux" what does "SL1" mean?
[03:21:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[03:21:00] Beirdo: man ps?
[03:21:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: doing a cdrom and a HD on the same IDE controller isn't the best of ideas.
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: oh so put both hd on same ide
[03:22:00] Beirdo: xpis: I've never had an issue
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: i thought i had that at first and it didnt work again
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: not sure
[03:22:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: is it a dvd recorder?
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: na
[03:22:00] mishehu: man woman
[03:22:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: (or a cd recorder)
[03:22:00] mishehu: make love
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: its a burner
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[03:22:00] quantum__: does anyone use myth to rip their dvds
[03:22:00] Yellow-Snow: old as fuck
[03:23:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Then you may have problems burning while accessing teh HD.
[03:23:00] xpis: *the
[03:23:00] Yellow-Snow: im not worried about burning atm
[03:23:00] xpis: (I'm typing over a VNC connection so everything is lagging)
[03:23:00] Yellow-Snow: idk i removed other hd and installing w/ just 1
[03:23:00] Yellow-Snow: gana add other hd after install
[03:23:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what does knoppmyth do?
[03:24:00] xpis: (what's the error)
[03:25:00] Yellow-Snow: um at the very end there is a shit load of txt on the screen.. (installing) that is.. idk if it does it w/ just 1 hd or not.. about ot find out..
[03:25:00] quantum__: at 100MB vnc works o.k.
[03:25:00] Yellow-Snow: anyways it says installed is complete.. well i reboot and it never boots up
[03:25:00] scottder: Ok right after a shoe records the commercial flagger runs....should the transcoder run after that (as in right away)
[03:25:00] scottder: or is there a built in delay
[03:25:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: ok.. check your bios boot settings after installing the 2nd hard disk.
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: aight
[03:26:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: make sure the drive with grub is set as the first one to try.
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: it is
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: hd-0
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: told u i have been trying to get this to work for days
[03:26:00] xpis: Also, you'll need to make sure that's where knoppmyth is putting grub
[03:26:00] quantum__: mythtranscode is basically running around the clock on my machine
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: first problem was it got stuck at 91%
[03:26:00] Yellow-Snow: come to find out it was a bad burn
[03:27:00] xpis: Make sure Grub is going in the MBR of hd0.
[03:28:00] quantum__: I have a 1.7 GHz processor. I think I need to upgrade to 64 bit or something. Does myth run on 65 bit CPU's
[03:28:00] Yellow-Snow: well it has to now xpis
[03:28:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[03:28:00] xpis: You can always boot with the knoppmyth cd after installing and run grub-install
[03:28:00] scottder: 65bit? magic new processor
[03:28:00] scottder: :)
[03:28:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[03:28:00] scottder: quantum__: mine is a 1.2ghz machine :)
[03:28:00] quantum__: ha, yah eatra bit for good measure
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[03:28:00] quantum__: like my amp goes to 13
[03:28:00] quantum__: or 11 I mean
[03:28:00] xpis: scottder: yes. It has the evil bit added.
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[03:29:00] scottder: and a sigh of relief hits the channel
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[03:29:00] Beirdo: heh
[03:30:00] quantum__: I feel like I got my money's worth out of this cpu though
[03:30:00] scottder: Me too...mine was free :)
[03:30:00] quantum__: cool
[03:30:00] Yellow-Snow: and u know what i was thinking?
[03:30:00] quantum__: does anyone else find that the frontend crashes pretty frequently
[03:31:00] scottder: shame the MB can only take 512MB :(
[03:31:00] Yellow-Snow: everytime you upgrade your cpu so do you also upgrade your pvr
[03:31:00] Beirdo: don't eat the Yellow-Snow?
[03:31:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[03:31:00] xpis: quantum: nope
[03:31:00] xpis: quantum: 0.18.x or svn?
[03:31:00] quantum__: 0.18
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[03:32:00] xpis: I never got 0.18 to work because it for some reason choked due to a "banned" video mode in my cx88 card.
[03:32:00] xpis: It was making v4l calls it shouldn't have... but the problem was fixed in the latest code.
[03:32:00] Yellow-Snow: creating ssh2 dsa key
[03:32:00] Yellow-Snow: shadow no such dir
[03:33:00] Yellow-Snow: missing destination
[03:33:00] Yellow-Snow: ect errors like that at the end
[03:33:00] quantum__: bummer
[03:33:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: looks like an error in the distribution
[03:33:00] quantum__: well time to go get some work done
[03:33:00] Yellow-Snow: yea but it still says it was successfully
[03:33:00] quantum__: if ediehow comes back make him read the web site before he speaks. ha
[03:34:00] Yellow-Snow: yup now it boots
[03:34:00] Yellow-Snow: go figure
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[03:35:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[03:35:00] Beirdo: bedtime
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[03:38:00] Yellow-Snow: DHCP
[03:38:00] Yellow-Snow: no right?
[03:38:00] Yellow-Snow: thats for eurpue eh?
[03:38:00] xpis: Do you use DHCP?
[03:38:00] Yellow-Snow: do i?
[03:38:00] xpis: Are you on a home network?
[03:38:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i have a route
[03:38:00] xpis: Is it turned on in your router?
[03:39:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[03:39:00] xpis: Do you manually set an IP for each computer?
[03:39:00] Yellow-Snow: no its all auto
[03:39:00] xpis: then you use DHCP
[03:39:00] Yellow-Snow: i just plug in the ethernet cables
[03:39:00] Yellow-Snow: k
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[03:39:00] Yellow-Snow: bootsplash no?
[03:40:00] xpis: no need for it
[03:40:00] Yellow-Snow: remote hauppauge
[03:40:00] xpis: Did you get the one with a remote?
[03:40:00] Yellow-Snow: 150 yea
[03:40:00] xpis: then yes
[03:40:00] Yellow-Snow: it came w/ one
[03:41:00] scottder: the MCE one with USB?
[03:41:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[03:41:00] Yellow-Snow: not the mce one
[03:41:00] Yellow-Snow: pvr-150 w/ remote for 60$ after rebates?
[03:42:00] scottder: Hmmm don't know that one...my CompUSA only ahd the MCE one and one without a remote
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[03:42:00] Yellow-Snow: yea they had them w/ mail in rebates
[03:42:00] Yellow-Snow: i chcked online said they had them in stock
[03:42:00] Yellow-Snow: go there and its empty
[03:42:00] Yellow-Snow: had to search b/c the last one was mixed in
[03:42:00] Yellow-Snow: use default i586 right?
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[03:44:00] xpis: For architecture? Yes.
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[03:48:00] Yellow-Snow: fuck
[03:48:00] Yellow-Snow: i hit esc when i was going through the myth setup
[03:50:00] xpis: mythtv-setup?
[03:50:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[03:50:00] xpis: just run it again
[03:51:00] mchou: anyone know how many write/erase cycles ipod nano is rated for? Just wondering if I should get a disposal mp3 player for daily podcasts......
[03:51:00] mchou: cheaper one, that is.
[03:51:00] xpis: ~1 million for flash memory
[03:51:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i run the setup again? when i run mythtv it just laods the main screen
[03:52:00] xpis: Just type mythtv-setup in a console window
[03:52:00] pdlnhrd: i am trying to use nuvexport and am getting an error... http://pastebin.com/534870 can anyone help?
[03:52:00] Yellow-Snow: k
[03:53:00] Yellow-Snow: input = tuner 0
[03:58:00] nasa: nite
[03:58:00] DarkBeer: I am trying to follow the howto for archiving to dvd. recording is with a pvr350. running avidemux2 (version 2.0.42) and saving video to 1.m2v works fine, but when I go to the save audio step, I just get a zero length file. any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong?
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[03:58:00] Yellow-Snow: i use the pvr-250 / 350 b/c they dont have 150 right?
[03:59:00] xpis: pdlnhrd: you're having fifo problems
[03:59:00] Yellow-Snow: and whats video sources exactly? tv guide?
[03:59:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: yes, it's ivtv just the same
[04:00:00] Yellow-Snow: LxM or datadirect
[04:00:00] dtm: mythtv.org says that mythtv has basic video editing in it. where's that? i didn't think you could even remove commercials.
[04:00:00] xpis: dtm: you can remove commercials with mythtranscode
[04:00:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: datadirect
[04:00:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: lxm is no more.
[04:00:00] Yellow-Snow: do i have to create an acount?
[04:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: yes
[04:01:00] Yellow-Snow: via website?
[04:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: labs.zap2it.com
[04:01:00] Yellow-Snow: thanks!
[04:01:00] Yellow-Snow: i hope its free
[04:01:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[04:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: it is.
[04:01:00] Chutt: next the guy's going to be asking how to sign up
[04:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you just have annoying surveys.
[04:01:00] Chutt: be easier to tell him where in the docs to look, you realize.
[04:01:00] xpis: He's using knopp myth.
[04:02:00] Yellow-Snow: im following the
[04:02:00] Chutt: they don't have any documentation?
[04:02:00] Yellow-Snow: guide also
[04:02:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1
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[04:02:00] Yellow-Snow: chutt i really suck at linux =\
[04:02:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[04:02:00] xpis: See, even he knows where the mythtv documentation is.
[04:02:00] Chutt: you skipped the earlier stuff
[04:04:00] Yellow-Snow: whats the myth code
[04:04:00] Chutt: it's in the docs.
[04:04:00] Chutt: the part you skipped.
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[04:05:00] Yellow-Snow: oh fun theyhave to have my email to keep sending me the codes?
[04:05:00] xpis: no, the code is in the mythtv documentation
[04:05:00] xpis: the surveys are e-mailed to you
[04:07:00] xris: yay for mythweb now producing backtraces.
[04:07:00] kormoc: yay!
[04:08:00] kormoc: boo for flaky 64 bit X org 7.0!
[04:08:00] Chutt: i've had no issues with 7
[04:09:00] Yellow-Snow: pimp it downloaded
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[04:10:00] xpis: Chutt: did you compile it?
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[04:11:00] xpis: Chutt: All I could make modular xorg do was freeze... but then again, I was using cvs.
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[04:11:00] rasto_: hello. im having problems with time offset. im configuring it through mythsetup. after i make change i run mythfilldatabase and then mythtv to check if something changed. im still 5 hours late. any idea how to solve this?
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[04:11:00] Chutt: why would i compile x?
[04:11:00] rjune: because you hate yourself
[04:12:00] xpis: Chutt: Well, if you had a video card that only got support last friday, you might.
[04:12:00] Chutt: why would i buy hardware without support? :p
[04:12:00] Yellow-Snow: skip he channel part?
[04:12:00] rasto_: is there some way on how is time offset set right now? mythsetup doesnt seem to do anything
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[04:13:00] xpis: Chutt: because the hardware had support, just the particular card wasn't declared in the proper driver.
[04:13:00] xpis: Chutt: And the fact that $10 for an AGP card with tv out is a good price.
[04:14:00] Chutt: if you say so
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: i typed $ mythbackend
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[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: didnt see anything that it worked
[04:15:00] xpis: Chutt: I've been using it without xv support just fine.
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[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis it keeps downloading over and over
[04:15:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: it's a daemon
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow: ? did i do it write?
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow: er right
[04:15:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: er.. it may or may not be.. I'm not familiar with knoppmyth
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow: k
[04:16:00] scottder: how doe MythTV decide when to do jobs like transcoding?
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[04:18:00] Nitro: When I install mysql-server, it asks me what kind of PostFix configuration I want to use with ubuntu. What would I choose?
[04:18:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: anyway.. I'm out. If you have more questions, I'm sure someone else can answer. Or, if you can't find anyone else who will give you an answer, leave me a PM and I'll respond when I return.
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[04:19:00] Nitro: No configuration, internet site, internet with smarthost, satellite system, local only
[04:20:00] Nitro: meh, I chose no configuration
[04:20:00] Nitro: hope it was right
[04:21:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis how do i set it up for tv only?
[04:21:00] Yellow-Snow: and what theme does everyone use?
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[04:22:00] corey_: Anyone encountered an issue with not being able to change channels using PVR 150?
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow: installing pvr-150 right now
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow: nope
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow: i can change channels via keyboard
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow: havent set up remote yet
[04:23:00] corey_: I get video just fine, but I cannot change channels using the keyboard
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow: im pressing up
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow: its slow chaning channels ..
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[04:26:00] corey_: is there anyway to test changing channels outside of mythtv, to see if it is the card or mythtv config?
[04:26:00] Radamis: Try TvTime
[04:27:00] Radamis: You can try the v4lctr command to.
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[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:29:00] xanderp: anyone here know if there's a channel for minimyth? I'm trying to see if i can get that working, but getting an error on boot.
[04:30:00] Yellow-Snow: why is the sound really low?
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[04:31:00] corey_: i am watching video using mplayer, but I am unable to change the channel using ivtv-tune
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[04:32:00] kormoc: Chutt, are you running 64 bit?
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[04:33:00] Dorao: how does one adjust coloring in mythtv? it look very blue
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[04:40:00] sportman: hey
[04:40:00] sportman: whats up?
[04:41:00] Dorao: hmmm apparently its a nvidia driver issue
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: hmmmm
[04:41:00] Dorao: my people are blue on tv
[04:41:00] sportman: ol
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i increase sound?
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: i have aumix
[04:41:00] sportman: get a hearing aid?
[04:42:00] Dorao: F10 F11 I think
[04:42:00] rjune: [ and ] for me
[04:42:00] rjune: 'cept xine, it's goofy
[04:42:00] Dorao: <- just went through all the keys, looking to fix colors...
[04:42:00] Yellow-Snow: volume @ 100%
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: and still not that loud
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: tv on 100% also
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:43:00] Dorao: get an amp? ;p
[04:43:00] rasto_: hello. im having problems with time offset. im configuring it through mythsetup. after i make change i run mythfilldatabase and then mythtv to check if something changed. im still 5 hours late. any idea how to solve this?
[04:43:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: you're deaf then :)
[04:43:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: is the mixer in linux turned up?
[04:43:00] Dorao: rasto_, timezone?
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: im using aumix
[04:43:00] rasto_: Dorao: local. was UTC
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: also
[04:43:00] rasto_: Dorao: no change in mythtv guide
[04:44:00] scottder: how not alsamixer?
[04:44:00] Dorao: hmmm
[04:45:00] Nitro: hrm
[04:45:00] Dorao: rasto_, well it was an 'idea'
[04:45:00] Nitro: ryan@nitro:/usr/src/ivtv-0.4.2/driver$ sudo make install
[04:45:00] Nitro: make -C /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/build M=/usr/src/ivtv-0.4.2/driver modules
[04:45:00] Nitro: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[04:45:00] Nitro: make: *** [all] Error 2
[04:45:00] Nitro: Anyone know how to fix that?
[04:45:00] Yellow-Snow: oh i fixed sound
[04:45:00] Yellow-Snow: bad wire connection
[04:46:00] scottder: hehe
[04:46:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c i spliced the wires
[04:46:00] Yellow-Snow: now how do i put it on my tv?
[04:46:00] scottder: hrrmm I don't know why these shows aren't transcoding, will have to take a look at settings when i get home
[04:47:00] Radamis: Is it possible to have mythtv do show skipping, like show the commercials but skip the show?
[04:47:00] rasto_: how do i clear channel information? so i can run mythfilldatabase
[04:48:00] scottder: Radamis: err why would you want that??
[04:48:00] Radamis: Cause I don't watch the Superbowl for the football
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[04:49:00] scottder: Ah....no I don't believe there is :)
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[04:50:00] Yellow-Snow: anyone get the remote working for pvr 150?
[04:50:00] scottder: Which remote? :)
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: grey one
[04:51:00] scottder: there are a few that have been bundled with
[04:51:00] scottder: the pvr150
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i selected it
[04:51:00] scottder: black back?
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: it still said
[04:51:00] scottder: say RC6 on it?
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: i had to config a few things
[04:51:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[04:51:00] Captain_Murdoch: Radamis: yes, inside the editor, copy the commercial skip list to the cutlist using the 'Z' key, then invert the cutlist using 'I'
[04:52:00] Radamis: ...
[04:52:00] Radamis: Sweet!
[04:52:00] Captain_Murdoch: I added that feature last year before the superbowl, just for that purpose. :)
[04:52:00] Radamis: That's freakin amazing!
[04:53:00] Yellow-Snow: hm i need to do 3 things.. set up remote.. put it on tv.. and stop it from saving when im just watching live tv
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[04:57:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: you don't want the live tv buffering?
[04:57:00] Nitro: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7881
[04:57:00] Nitro: Can someone tell me what's wrong here
[04:57:00] Yellow-Snow: no i dont scottder.. i dont have the room yet for it
[04:57:00] Nitro: and how to fix it
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[04:57:00] defaul: good evening guys
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[04:58:00] Yellow-Snow: sup
[04:59:00] defaultro: hey
[04:59:00] defaultro: just thought of this
[04:59:00] defaultro: is it possible to play continuous recorded show in mythtv?
[05:00:00] defaultro: it's ok if it starts at the begining without intervention
[05:00:00] defaultro: i would like to play a very soothing show while I'm selling my house
[05:00:00] defaultro: just like how model houses do it
[05:01:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i put it on the tv
[05:01:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:02:00] sportman: ok
[05:02:00] sportman: so tomorrow im going to try setting up myth tv again
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[05:02:00] cesman: Nitro: ivtv cannot find the firmware
[05:02:00] Nitro: I am following the guide for ubuntu and it mentioned nothing about placing firmware in there
[05:02:00] cesman: Nitro: did you place them in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware?
[05:03:00] cesman: ok...you da man
[05:03:00] Nitro: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html
[05:03:00] Nitro: So now I'm looking at http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[05:03:00] Nitro: I assume I need to download something, I'm not sure what though
[05:04:00] cesman: if you read that last link you posted, it will tell all
[05:04:00] Yellow-Snow: If you have the system hooked up to a TV, then **ENSURE** that /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 contains:
[05:04:00] Yellow-Snow: HorizSync "30 – 50"
[05:04:00] Yellow-Snow: VertRefresh "60"
[05:04:00] scottder: what distro Nitro
[05:04:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i edit that file?
[05:04:00] Nitro: scottder, ubuntu 5.10
[05:04:00] scottder: errr with a text editor
[05:04:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow
[05:05:00] Yellow-Snow: aight
[05:05:00] Yellow-Snow: let me see
[05:05:00] cesman: I see Yellow-Snow is reading the phamplet
[05:05:00] scottder: I wonder if that setting applies to s-video output for nvidia cards
[05:06:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[05:06:00] Yellow-Snow: does it?
[05:06:00] Yellow-Snow: i still yet to figure out how to put it on my tv
[05:06:00] cesman: scottder: yes, it does
[05:06:00] Yellow-Snow: xedit work?
[05:07:00] scottder: cesman: really. that's weird
[05:07:00] cesman: Yellow-Snow: you are using KnoppMyth correct?
[05:08:00] Yellow-Snow: correct
[05:08:00] cesman: what is wierd about it?
[05:08:00] cesman: you'd want to ensure the right freqs when outputting to a TV
[05:08:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:08:00] cesman: Yellow-Snow: there is a sample tv out in /etc/X11/
[05:08:00] Yellow-Snow: ok well what do i do w/ that?
[05:09:00] cesman: assuming you have a nvidia w/ svideo
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: as in how do i get to it and what do i use from it
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[05:09:00] cesman: mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.original
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: ok
[05:09:00] sportman: any of you use a firewire insted of a tv tuner?
[05:09:00] sportman: like firewire to hd box?
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: nope
[05:09:00] sportman: damn
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: just got pvr-150 today
[05:10:00] sportman: i need to find someone who does it that way
[05:10:00] Yellow-Snow: after people on here told me
[05:10:00] cesman: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.nvidia-tvout.sample /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:10:00] Yellow-Snow: which one cesman?
[05:10:00] cesman: then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:10:00] cesman: should work...
[05:10:00] Yellow-Snow: type both in?
[05:10:00] scottder: just weird thatnit would put out bad freqs on the svideo port
[05:10:00] Nitro: okay
[05:10:00] cesman: type in everything I typed about starting w/ mv
[05:10:00] Nitro: so I followed the steps in that later link
[05:10:00] Nitro: How do I know if it worked
[05:11:00] Yellow-Snow: kk
[05:11:00] Yellow-Snow: kk
[05:11:00] cesman: time to cook dinner...
[05:11:00] Nitro: ie: How do I restart ivtv
[05:11:00] Nitro: so I can do dmesg and see if it's good
[05:12:00] Nitro: Should I just restart?
[05:12:00] Nitro: That's the next step in the guide
[05:12:00] Yellow-Snow: cesman permission denied
[05:12:00] Yellow-Snow: =\
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[05:14:00] cesman: you must be root
[05:14:00] Yellow-Snow: ok how do i do that
[05:14:00] cesman: su <ENTER>
[05:14:00] cesman: type in your root password
[05:15:00] cesman: once you've restart GDM, type exit
[05:15:00] sportman: shitter
[05:15:00] sportman: i cannot find info on this
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[05:18:00] Nitro: hrm
[05:18:00] Nitro: ryan@nitro:~$ sudo apt-get install mythtv
[05:18:00] Nitro: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:18:00] Nitro: mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.17–3) but it is not going to be installe d
[05:18:00] Nitro: Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.17–3) but it is not going to be installed
[05:18:00] Nitro: E: Broken packages
[05:18:00] Nitro: did I do something wrong?
[05:19:00] Yellow-Snow: omg cesman pimp!
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[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa it only uses the tv
[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: i guess i have to do vnc now eh?
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[05:23:00] cesman: that depends on what you are trying to do...
[05:23:00] cesman: you can use ssh or webmin perhaps
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[05:23:00] Yellow-Snow: er well i have to set up the remote
[05:23:00] cesman: or nxclient
[05:24:00] cesman: what remote do you have?
[05:24:00] Yellow-Snow: and change the settings so it dosent buffer or anything when im watching live tv
[05:24:00] Yellow-Snow: pvr-150 silver w/ black back
[05:24:00] cesman: lirc-reconfigure.sh
[05:24:00] cesman: 16
[05:24:00] cesman: d
[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: Enther.. then 16 then enter ect?
[05:25:00] cesman: c rather
[05:26:00] Yellow-Snow: command not found
[05:26:00] Yellow-Snow: i can bearly read it on my tv
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[05:28:00] ExUser2: hm
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[05:28:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:28:00] ** sportman shot **
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[05:29:00] Nitro: mythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.18.1 but it is not going to be installed
[05:29:00] Nitro: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3–3) but it is not installable
[05:29:00] Nitro: Can someone tell me how to get those?
[05:29:00] Nitro: ubuntu 5.01
[05:29:00] Nitro: 5.10**
[05:29:00] Yellow-Snow: GD i cant read it on my tv =\
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[05:33:00] Yellow-Snow: help!
[05:39:00] cesman: perhaps a trip to the eye doctor?
[05:39:00] cesman: ;)
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: die cesman!
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: lol no really
[05:40:00] cesman: die?!
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i have to do vnc or something or set it back to monitor
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[05:58:00] Captain_Murdoch: ssh in to your frontend and run "DISPLAY=:0.0 x11vnc" then connect with vncviewer. if you don't have x11vnc, google for it, it exports your existing X display via vnc
[05:59:00] kormoc: Captain_Murdoch, wouldn't x forwarding via ssh be simplier?
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: holy shit
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: i think i figured it out
[05:59:00] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, can run mythfrontend over ssh, I thought he wanted to see the actual display that was on the TV.
[06:00:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i do
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.orginal /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: i did that
[06:01:00] Captain_Murdoch: well, mythfrontend will be the same on the TV or over ssh if you run it from the same machine as the same user (so you're sure you get the same config file)
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: crap it didnt work
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: ARG =\
[06:04:00] Yellow-Snow: oh well.. bed time.. not bad for the first time ever using linux
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[06:15:00] kristok: whats the slowest processor i could get away with for HD, assuming I use a decent nvidia card for playback?
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[06:17:00] kristok: whats the slowest processor i could get away with for HD, assuming I use a decent nvidia card for playback?
[06:17:00] kormoc: kristok, 2 ghz is recommended, but slightly slower then that might be able to handle it
[06:18:00] kristok: even with a decent nvidia card?
[06:19:00] kristok: or a better-than-just-decent nvidia card
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[06:21:00] kormoc: kristok, I'd say a 6200 would likly be the lowest recommended card. the 5200 works, but the 6200 works quite a bit better
[06:22:00] kristok: kormoc: i'm planning to make a new fe/be combo with a 1.8GHz Turion
[06:22:00] kormoc: kristok, likely it will work
[06:22:00] kristok: I don't do any HD now, but I want it to be able to handle it in the future
[06:24:00] kristok: kormoc: thanks
[06:24:00] kormoc: np
[06:28:00] cesman: kormoc: perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't 3 GHz the recommended for HD?
[06:29:00] kormoc: cesman, I don't think so
[06:29:00] kristok: cesman: thats with no accelerated graphics i think
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[06:29:00] kormoc: cesman, my 2.4 ghz managed to do 1080i and 720p and sdtv at the same time with a 5200 without dropping frames
[06:29:00] kristok: kormoc: what do you mean "at the same time"?
[06:29:00] cesman: okie dokie....just making sure
[06:30:00] kormoc: kristok, ran all three at once. two montiors, three video files
[06:30:00] kristok: wow
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[06:31:00] cesman: wow is right!
[06:31:00] kormoc: kristok, required RT priority and xvmc and nothing else going at the same time, but it was just a stress test I did
[06:31:00] kristok: kormoc: its still impressive
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[06:45:00] Nitro: I've installed mythtv and it displays my television properly, however it is quite "studdery"
[06:45:00] Nitro: is there a way to fix that?
[06:47:00] Nitro: Also I need to figure out a way to get my remote and IR blaster working with my 150
[06:47:00] Nitro: is there a guide or something with that
[06:47:00] kristok: Nitro: what kind of graphics card are you using
[06:48:00] Nitro: kristok: 9600 xt
[06:48:00] Nitro: ATI
[06:48:00] kristok: do you have the ati drivers installed?
[06:48:00] Nitro: (I know, ati, shitty linux support, it's all I have though)
[06:48:00] Nitro: I assume so
[06:48:00] Nitro: what is the gears again
[06:48:00] kristok: glxgears
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[06:49:00] Nitro: i don't know how I can tell the fps but it's running very smoothly
[06:49:00] kristok: it tells you the fps in teh console you run it from
[06:49:00] Nitro: it's not giving me the fps
[06:50:00] Nitro: it just has glxgears where I hit enter
[06:50:00] Nitro: then a blank line
[06:50:00] Nitro: and the gears going
[06:50:00] kristok: and if you just let it run for 5–10 seconds it doesnt give you a number?
[06:50:00] Nitro: nope
[06:51:00] kristok: that's odd
[06:51:00] Nitro: ubuntu 5.10
[06:51:00] kristok: what if you try one of the gl screensavers
[06:51:00] kristok: is that smooth, or does it look choppy
[06:51:00] Nitro: smooth
[06:52:00] Nitro: ant spotlight is fine
[06:52:00] kristok: is this normal tv or HD?
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[06:53:00] Nitro`: * Your system is not capable of displaying the
[06:53:00] Nitro`: * full framerate at 1280x1024 resolution. Frames
[06:53:00] Nitro`: * will be skipped in order to keep the audio and
[06:53:00] Nitro`: * video in sync.
[06:53:00] Nitro`: I get that in my console running mythtv
[06:53:00] Nitro: uh
[06:53:00] Nitro: normal TV
[06:53:00] Nitro: through svideo
[06:53:00] Nitro: on a hauppauge 150
[06:53:00] kristok: 1280x1024 is overkill i would think
[06:54:00] Nitro: yeah I don't have it outputting to a TV yet
[06:54:00] Nitro: just to the monitor so it doesn't really matter the resolution
[06:54:00] Nitro: it's not going to be staying at 1280
[06:54:00] kristok: what if you run it in a window instead of fullscreen
[06:54:00] Nitro: How would I do that
[06:54:00] kristok: a window at 800x600 or even 640x480
[06:54:00] Nitro: adding --window to the end of runmythfrontend?
[06:54:00] Nitro: er
[06:54:00] kristok: its an option somewhere
[06:54:00] kristok: in the settings
[06:54:00] Nitro`: I'll check
[06:56:00] Nitro: I don't see it
[06:56:00] Nitro: I'm just switching between the ubuntu box and my windows box so nitro and nitro` are still me
[06:56:00] Nitro: just incase you were wondering
[06:57:00] kristok: yeah
[06:57:00] Nitro: it looks nice enough
[06:57:00] Nitro: it's just skiddish
[06:57:00] Nitro: and I'm not sure where I change it to run windowed
[06:57:00] kristok: run mythfrontend, go to utilities/setup->setup->appearance
[06:58:00] kristok: its on the second page
[06:58:00] Nitro: 800 600?
[06:59:00] kristok: set the GUI width to 800
[06:59:00] kristok: and height to 600
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[06:59:00] kristok: and check the box that says "run the frontend in a window"
[06:59:00] kristok: and probaly the one that says "use gui size for playback"
[07:00:00] Nitro`: hrm
[07:00:00] Nitro`: I accidentally set it to like 240 and hit enter
[07:00:00] Nitro`: and now it's all scrnched up and I can't see enough to change it
[07:00:00] kristok: oops
[07:00:00] Nitro`: heh
[07:01:00] Nitro`: removing stale cache dir: /home/ryan/.mythtv/themecache/blue.1280.1024
[07:01:00] Nitro`: can I set it back to default somehow
[07:02:00] kristok: you probably can, but I don't know how
[07:02:00] Nitro`: hmm
[07:02:00] kristok: i think it stores that stuff in the database
[07:02:00] kristok: so its not like you can just remove a file and fix it
[07:03:00] Nitro`: nevermind
[07:03:00] Nitro`: I got it
[07:03:00] kristok: what did you do?
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[07:03:00] Nitro`: I could see the descriptions just a little bit at the bottom
[07:04:00] Nitro`: I held the button for about 20 seconds till I could get a good viasble page
[07:04:00] Nitro`: now I'm changing it to 800 x 600
[07:05:00] Nitro`: ah
[07:05:00] Nitro`: that looks much better
[07:05:00] Nitro`: no more semi jitter
[07:05:00] Nitro`: once I kill some things loading with ubuntu it should look even better
[07:05:00] Nitro`: I've got a few things that are probably taking up resources
[07:05:00] kristok: so playback is smooth?
[07:05:00] Nitro`: Yes
[07:05:00] kristok: good
[07:06:00] Nitro`: Can I ask you a few more questions
[07:06:00] kristok: if you hook it up to a tv 800x600 is more than enough
[07:06:00] Nitro`: yeah
[07:06:00] Nitro`: That's going to be my next question
[07:06:00] Nitro`: How do I output to a television using an ATI card
[07:06:00] Nitro`: I see plenty of how-tos for nvidia cards
[07:06:00] kristok: no idea. does it have svideo out?
[07:06:00] Nitro`: but ati is left in the dust
[07:06:00] Nitro`: yes it does
[07:06:00] kristok: what card is it again?
[07:07:00] Nitro`: ATI Radeon 9600xt
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[07:07:00] kristok: did you look around at http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html
[07:08:00] kristok: i would expect they have forums somewhere
[07:08:00] Nitro`: Let's just skip that for now, that's not really important yet, If you're not familiar with ATI cards that's no problem
[07:08:00] Nitro`: How about getting the remote control and IR blaster to work
[07:08:00] kristok: yeah, i would just google stuff
[07:08:00] kristok: not sure there either – i built my own litle IR reciever that hooks into a serial port
[07:08:00] kristok: and i just use a cheapo universal remote
[07:08:00] Nitro`: hmm, heh
[07:09:00] Nitro`: I know I had another question..
[07:09:00] kristok: again, google is your friend
[07:09:00] Nitro`: Let's see if I can remember it
[07:09:00] Nitro`: I guess not
[07:09:00] Nitro`: Those are the only two things I need to get working
[07:09:00] kristok: i think the IR blaster should work pretty well
[07:10:00] Nitro`: hopefully
[07:10:00] kristok: but I just don't have any experience with it
[07:10:00] Nitro`: I've got my satellite guide all set in
[07:10:00] Nitro`: and looks like it's working
[07:10:00] Nitro`: but now I need the remote
[07:10:00] kristok: definitely google and search the mailing list archives
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[07:11:00] kristok: anymore questions?
[07:12:00] Nitro`: nope, my only concern was going to be the jittery playback
[07:12:00] Nitro`: but that's becuase I was running it at a crazy resolution
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[07:15:00] Nitro`: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . 150++blaster
[07:15:00] Nitro`: Wow
[07:15:00] Nitro`: He even has the same satellite system as me
[07:16:00] Nitro`: Which is surprising considering I'm in canada and everything is US usually
[07:16:00] Nitro`: heh
[07:17:00] Nitro`: What is LIRC
[07:17:00] Nitro`: oh
[07:17:00] Nitro`: shit he quit
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[07:22:00] markl: how well does mythtv work with RTSP broadcasts
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[08:19:00] eiggirC: so – how should I go about installing a mythfrontend on my spanking new (to me) OSX mac?
[08:19:00] eiggirC: compile from source? or use one of the package managers
[08:20:00] eiggirC: or are there pre-defined packages for OSX ?
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[08:25:00] NHIwerx: strange mplayer on my linux box plays nuv files, but mplayer from xbox xbmc jan29 doesnt, any idea what this can be ?
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[08:27:00] xvalentinex: <NHIwerx> I would say that it's a codec issue, I would get the essential codec package from the mplayer site, and put them in the codec folder on your xbox
[08:28:00] sc004: :) hi mythtv lovers
[08:29:00] sc004: my favorite TV show is 24
[08:29:00] NHIwerx: xvalentinex: sounds reasonable thx
[08:30:00] xvalentinex: np
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[08:30:00] xvalentinex: hi sc004 mine currently is My Name Is Earl
[08:31:00] sc004: oo that's a good one
[08:31:00] sc004: aren't they on break right now? or have I been missing out?
[08:31:00] NHIwerx: somene with a backend in the us and a 100mbit conection should let my master backend connect to his :)
[08:31:00] sc004: that's what the government is afraid of NHIwerx :)
[08:34:00] sc004: yeah I've only seen 10 episodes of earl
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[08:34:00] Nitro: Does anyone know where I can find mythsetup?
[08:34:00] sc004: oh wow! I've been missing out
[08:35:00] Nitro: I need to set a perl script to get my ir blaster working
[08:35:00] sc004: I would think /usr/local/bin let me check
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[08:35:00] sc004: yeah look for mythtv-setup
[08:36:00] sc004: or were you looking for mythsetup? not sure where that is
[08:36:00] juski: morning all
[08:36:00] sc004: hey juski
[08:37:00] juski: different distros sometimes call the programs different things :-/
[08:37:00] juski: hey sc004
[08:38:00] sc004: i'm excited for .19 :)
[08:38:00] juski: won't be long now... heheh
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[08:39:00] sc004: hei hoxzer!
[08:39:00] Hoxzer: no terve
[08:39:00] sc004: my finnish friend :)
[08:41:00] Hoxzer: ;)
[08:43:00] sc004: I can only use Slackware... I tried fedora, it was too confusing
[08:44:00] sc004: it wouldn't let me tell it to use a small portion of the drive for install it only said "ALL SPACE"
[08:45:00] Nitro: hm
[08:45:00] Nitro: sc004
[08:45:00] Nitro: I can't find it, I tried to do a find for a mythtvsetup it didn't find anything
[08:46:00] juski: it's mythtv-setup
[08:46:00] sc004: my version (0.18) on slackware has it as mythtv-setup
[08:47:00] Nitro: ah
[08:47:00] juski: tends to be the init.d names that vary from distro to distro
[08:47:00] Nitro: it is mythtv-setup
[08:47:00] Nitro: Thanks :D
[08:47:00] Nitro: I'm so close to getting this blaster done
[08:47:00] Nitro: it's not even funny :
[08:47:00] juski: the FM mentions it
[08:47:00] Nitro: :D
[08:47:00] sc004: yeah having a remote makes it not feel like a computer
[08:58:00] jvs: ich bin ein goldener gott!
[08:59:00] jvs: oh, umm, sry
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[09:03:00] ** juski 's frontend doesn't have a keyboard or a mouse **
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[09:07:00] jvs: neither has mine
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[09:08:00] jvs: I just connect a keyboard, when I need to configure stuff like zsnes
[09:08:00] Nitro: Alright
[09:08:00] Nitro: next question
[09:09:00] Nitro: Does anyone have a lircrc for a hauppage 150 / 350 remote?
[09:09:00] jvs: Western civilisations for 500
[09:09:00] jvs: umm, had one
[09:09:00] jvs: but there some online
[09:09:00] juski: nope.. google for one
[09:10:00] jvs: wilson should have one up
[09:10:00] jvs: or at least a link to fully working one
[09:10:00] jvs: can't reach his site though
[09:10:00] jvs: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/
[09:11:00] Nitro: I've been looking
[09:11:00] Nitro: but I can't find one
[09:12:00] jvs: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php?SID . . . ut=open#lirc
[09:12:00] juski: www.parker1.co.uk/myth/lircrc
[09:12:00] juski: they're everywhere dammit
[09:12:00] jvs: :)
[09:13:00] juski: it's not like they're hard to make either
[09:13:00] jvs: it's nice to have a functional example
[09:13:00] juski: true
[09:14:00] jvs: anyway, after some time I could not stand the remote anymore and got a kameleon
[09:14:00] juski: yeh the hauppauge remote is very cheap looking etc
[09:15:00] jvs: yepp
[09:15:00] juski: company I work for uses a standard $1 remote & it looks like the hauppauge one
[09:15:00] jvs: anyway, it does the job
[09:16:00] jvs: I remember, when configuring my first frontend...I did not care what type of remote it was, it just had to worked
[09:16:00] jvs: *work
[09:17:00] juski: I used an xbox remote at first
[09:21:00] jvs: damnit
[09:21:00] jvs: I cannot find this gamport-to-usb converter
[09:22:00] jvs: actually this motherboard does have midi/gameport connector...but gentoo doesn't recognize it
[09:23:00] juski: gentoo doesn't recognise much til you tell it, in my experience
[09:23:00] jvs: but it should appear when I do lspci
[09:24:00] juski: dunno where gameports would be listed in the kernel config.. that'd help
[09:24:00] jvs: the kernel config is fine
[09:24:00] jvs: it worked when using a sb live card
[09:25:00] laga: jvs: i'm not sure if gameports are exposed over pci. usually, they sit on the sound card
[09:25:00] jvs: I wonder...if this is a midi/gameport...could be, that it is somehow a feature of the onboard soundcard, thats disabled
[09:26:00] juski: check yer bios
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[09:26:00] jvs: laga, when having the sb live card, the gameport appeared when doing lspci
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[09:26:00] juski: yeh but that's not always the way
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[09:26:00] juski: if it's a feature of the motherboard chipset, you might only be getting to see the generic chipset info
[09:26:00] jvs: well, at least now I know what to hack today
[09:27:00] beau: anyone willing to help me solve a probelm regarding sound?
[09:27:00] juski: morning, laga, btw :)
[09:27:00] laga: morning juski ;)
[09:27:00] juski: beau: just ask
[09:27:00] beau: k
[09:27:00] beau: sweet
[09:28:00] laga: juski: so today is your mythburn day or did your plans change?
[09:28:00] beau: i can not change the mythtv-setup section regarding sound on my tv card, like its always /dev/dsp
[09:28:00] juski: could be mythburn day, could be hdd upgrade day
[09:28:00] beau: i need it to be ALSA:hw:0,0 but like each time i write that in, it never seems to work
[09:29:00] beau: i know alsa is intalled cos i installed it and use it for xmms
[09:29:00] juski: yeh but is myth compiled with alsa support hmm?
[09:29:00] beau: i use fedora
[09:29:00] laga: juski: :) both sounds cool ;)
[09:29:00] juski: probably is then
[09:29:00] beau: so it was yum install mythtv-suite
[09:29:00] beau: yea
[09:29:00] beau: i read about it pretty sure it is
[09:30:00] beau: yea i just dont understand why it wont change
[09:30:00] beau: like i change it, exit type mythfilldatabase then when i use mythtv it is still using OSS
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[09:32:00] juski: time for an emerge --sync I reckon
[09:32:00] beau: k
[09:32:00] beau: what will that do?
[09:32:00] juski: no, that's what I'm doing, silly
[09:33:00] beau: yea, thought so lol
[09:33:00] beau: damn mythtv cramping my style lol
[09:33:00] beau: everything works but audio
[09:35:00] beau: u guys ever have the same problem?
[09:36:00] juski: nope
[09:36:00] juski: everything just works for me (tm)
[09:36:00] beau: aww man, ur lucky lol
[09:36:00] beau: did u have to do any extra conf stuff?
[09:36:00] juski: I don't even know if my frontend has alsa or not
[09:37:00] beau: lol
[09:37:00] juski: did I? what.. apart from making the frontend diskless & making custom remote files etc
[09:38:00] beau: yea
[09:38:00] beau: i got the xbox as a frontend
[09:40:00] beau: well, its going to be just need to plug the cables in
[09:42:00] beau: just need to get this stupid audio program sorted
[09:42:00] juski: oss should work anyway I think
[09:42:00] beau: i used to use mandriva, it was heaps easier to set up audio/tv cards then fedora but the myth packages for it sucked
[09:42:00] beau: yea
[09:42:00] beau: OSS does
[09:42:00] beau: has troubles though, like crackly sound
[09:42:00] juski: what's so special about alsa anyway?
[09:42:00] beau: and its slower sometimes
[09:42:00] beau: direct hardware access
[09:42:00] juski: aha
[09:42:00] beau: it was more stable than OSS but now its basically they r both stable
[09:42:00] beau: ALSA supports a lot more cards to
[09:42:00] beau: alsaproject.org is the domain i think
[09:42:00] juski: doesn't alsa emulate OSS too?
[09:42:00] beau: yea
[09:42:00] juski: I think my xbox linux has alsa working
[09:42:00] beau: wait nope, alsa-project.org
[09:42:00] beau: what distro do u use on the xbox?
[09:42:00] juski: gentoo-x
[09:42:00] beau: yea, it uses alsa
[09:42:00] beau: do u have extra ram in ur xbox
[09:42:00] juski: was all a long time ago I installed that
[09:42:00] beau: yea
[09:42:00] beau: i did it once
[09:42:00] juski: no, but thinking about putting some in
[09:42:00] juski: not high on my list of priorities though
[09:42:00] beau: yea, xbox isnt that quick with linux
[09:42:00] beau: what is on ur high list of priorities? lol
[09:42:00] juski: xbox needs a smaller distro footpring
[09:43:00] jvs: hmm, shall I do a stage1 on a p90?
[09:43:00] juski: *footprint
[09:43:00] jvs: :P
[09:43:00] juski: jvs: might have finished comping gcc by xmas
[09:43:00] juski: ;-)
[09:43:00] jvs: what a nice present, then
[09:43:00] jvs: well, stage1 is obsolete anyway
[09:43:00] beau: lol
[09:43:00] beau: yea
[09:44:00] juski: was only ever for extreme ricers IMHO
[09:44:00] jvs: well...
[09:44:00] beau: maybe clock the p90 up before u do that
[09:44:00] beau: to like
[09:44:00] beau: 100
[09:44:00] jvs: is for architectures with no stage3 images available
[09:44:00] juski: or run distcc
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[09:45:00] jvs: it will just do some routing and act as a mailserver
[09:45:00] juski: this rsync is taking yonks
[09:46:00] jvs: upadting portage cache is, what is taking longer and longer
[09:46:00] juski: nah.. was the java stuff taking the time
[09:47:00] jvs: hmm, the backend must have some incorrect jumper settings
[09:47:00] jvs: from time to time, reboot to reboot, it does not detect hdd right
[09:48:00] juski: if they ever move to a different method I'll move away from it & put ubuntu on
[09:48:00] jvs: different method?
[09:48:00] juski: maybe the hdd jumper(s) is/are wrong
[09:48:00] juski: jvs: from portage
[09:48:00] jvs: juski, thats what I was thinking also
[09:49:00] jvs: I think, that will never happen
[09:49:00] juski: this install is over a year old now... it's happy. if they muck around changing too much it'll go
[09:49:00] jvs: probaly restructuring the portage tree will come
[09:49:00] jvs: but no major changes in portage, I guess
[09:51:00] jvs: well, no I'm stuck with my old problem
[09:51:00] jvs: whatever I tell alsa, it will not set the terratec card as default
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[10:01:00] sc004: probably need to tell modules.conf which card is dsp0
[10:03:00] jvs: hmm
[10:03:00] jvs: I have now played around with the slots
[10:03:00] jvs: dsp0?
[10:07:00] sc004: sorry :<
[10:07:00] jvs: huh?
[10:07:00] sc004: i'm horrible at helping people, so some things I say may make no sense
[10:07:00] sc004: you know how devices get assigned names when you connect them?
[10:07:00] sc004: like hard drives get /dev/hda /dev/hdb, etc.
[10:07:00] sc004: I think the problem is alsa just uses dsp0 as the main sound device no matter what, so if you want it to see your other soundcard as default
[10:07:00] sc004: you need to tell your computer to assign it dsp0 and the other one dsp1
[10:07:00] sc004: orrrrrrr
[10:08:00] sc004: maybe you could link dsp => dsp1 and that'd solve it
[10:08:00] jvs: right
[10:08:00] jvs: I understand that
[10:08:00] jvs: I also got when you just say dsp0
[10:08:00] jvs: :)
[10:08:00] jvs: but, I dunno where to set this, you know
[10:08:00] sc004: ls -la /dev/dsp
[10:08:00] sc004: does it point to dsp0?
[10:09:00] jvs: /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp
[10:09:00] sc004: oh
[10:09:00] jvs: there is dsp0 and dsp1
[10:09:00] sc004: does sound/dsp link to dsp0 maybe?
[10:10:00] jvs: I'll check
[10:10:00] jvs: I think so
[10:11:00] jvs: /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp
[10:11:00] jvs: /dev/dsp1 -> sound/dsp1
[10:11:00] jvs: now, dsp1 should link to sound/dsp
[10:11:00] jvs: right?
[10:11:00] sc004: and you want alsa to see dsp1 as default?
[10:11:00] jvs: yeah
[10:11:00] sc004: one sec
[10:11:00] jvs: I just need the gameport of the other card
[10:12:00] jvs: I want to surprise my babe, she is a SNES fanatic :)
[10:14:00] sc004: I don't want to say to do something then it not work
[10:15:00] jvs: its not working atm
[10:15:00] jvs: we can fix it, or fail
[10:15:00] sc004: because there might be a better way of doing it, but for a quick fix if the program is using /dev/dsp then I'd point /dev/dsp => sound/dsp1
[10:15:00] jvs: thats what I thought of too
[10:15:00] jvs: the nice way would be to tell alsa which is the default
[10:15:00] sc004: yeah
[10:16:00] jvs: that is why I tried it configuring the slots
[10:16:00] sc004: I dont have alsa installed or I'd look in the man page
[10:16:00] jvs: I'll quickcheck the gentoo forums
[10:16:00] jvs: but thanks for the help
[10:16:00] jvs: if I can't get it working, I'll do it "our" way :P
[10:16:00] sc004: # ALSA portion
[10:16:00] sc004: alias snd-card-0 snd-interwave
[10:16:00] sc004: alias snd-card-1 snd-card-es1370
[10:17:00] sc004: you see there, that guy is telling it main sound card is snd-interwave and secondary is snd-card-es1370
[10:18:00] jvs: thats what I did
[10:18:00] jvs: buuuut
[10:18:00] jvs: my two soundcards require the same module
[10:18:00] sc004: oh
[10:18:00] sc004: but only one of them has the game port hmm
[10:18:00] jvs: I have to figure out if I can add a PCI adress or smthg like that
[10:19:00] jvs: ohhhh wait!
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[10:20:00] jvs: hmm
[10:20:00] jvs: sc004, you know I have tried several combinations, since I cannot adress the cards by using different modules
[10:21:00] jvs: but I'm pretty sure the gameport card is the first one
[10:21:00] jvs: otherwise I'd have sound, no?
[10:22:00] sc004: right
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[10:23:00] jvs: I have done some editing, lets check
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[10:24:00] sc004: The keyword default is defined in the ALSA lib api and will always access hw:0,0 – the default device on the default soundcard. Specifying the !default name supercedes the one defined in the ALSA lib api.
[10:24:00] sc004: .asoundrc is your answer I think
[10:24:00] jvs: hmm, fine
[10:24:00] sc004: pcm.!default {
[10:24:00] sc004: type hw
[10:24:00] sc004: card 0
[10:25:00] sc004: oops
[10:25:00] sc004: tried to past something
[10:25:00] sc004: pcm.!default {
[10:25:00] jvs: where is .asoundrc?
[10:25:00] sc004: your home directory, whoever is running the alsa app
[10:26:00] sc004: you have to create it and then you specify what you want your alsa programs to see the default card as
[10:26:00] sc004: pcm.!default {
[10:26:00] sc004: type hw
[10:26:00] sc004: card 1
[10:26:00] sc004: }
[10:26:00] sc004: normally it would be card 0
[10:26:00] jvs: k :)
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[10:27:00] sc004: brb
[10:30:00] sc004: any luck/
[10:30:00] jvs: well
[10:30:00] jvs: another tr
[10:30:00] jvs: y
[10:31:00] jvs: no
[10:31:00] jvs: sound coming from the other card
[10:31:00] sc004: switch it to card 0 then
[10:32:00] jvs: whatever I set, sound comes from the gameport card
[10:33:00] jvs: both cards are detected
[10:33:00] jvs: they are even on the same irq, *ouch
[10:33:00] sc004: !!!
[10:33:00] sc004: that's probably your problem
[10:33:00] jvs: 0 [CMI8738 ]:
[10:34:00] jvs: onboard card, its 0
[10:34:00] jvs: 1 [CMI8738MC6 ]
[10:34:00] jvs: 5.1 channel pci card, its 1
[10:34:00] jvs: I'll check if I have the option to switch irqs
[10:34:00] jvs: or try another pci
[10:38:00] jvs: k, thanks to this board I could set the IRQs of the PCI slots
[10:39:00] jvs: two multimedia devices still share the same irq, but I think these are not the soundcards
[10:41:00] jvs: hmm, I have to check how powerful this .asoundrc file can be
[10:42:00] jvs: noooo!
[10:42:00] jvs: irq 5
[10:42:00] ** jvs goes and puts the card into another slot **
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[10:51:00] ** juski makes some very abstract video 'art' **
[10:52:00] jvs: well, different irqs now
[10:52:00] jvs: found another mistake, I wrote the .asoundrc as root, not user
[10:52:00] jvs: fixed that now
[10:53:00] laga: juski: i still have to figure out why mythburn doesn't like your intros – tried a different one and i barfed at a different occasion
[10:54:00] juski: weird
[10:55:00] juski: wonder if I use ffmpeg to make the mpeg instead of mainconcept
[10:55:00] laga: i haven't investigated yet
[10:56:00] jvs: sc004, still not working :(
[11:01:00] jvs: kkk
[11:01:00] jvs: ok
[11:01:00] jvs: I have told mythtv to use dsp1 now
[11:01:00] jvs: now there is no sound at all
[11:02:00] stuarta: laga: wonder if it's resolution dependent
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[11:31:00] jvs: lustige zombies in der strassenbahn!
[11:31:00] jvs: working now :)
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[11:47:00] juski: still emerging projectx.. hope it's not compiling all that java ;-)
[11:47:00] stuarta: hah!!
[11:47:00] stuarta: johnp_: any success?
[11:49:00] johnp_: stuarta, I got distracted. I think I'll try Daniels verbosity patch and see if I can get some proper information back to him.
[11:49:00] stuarta: fair enough.
[11:50:00] juski: reet.. onto the next stage.. whatever that is
[11:50:00] fryfrog: wth is projectx?
[11:51:00] stuarta: evil piece of java that's very good at mpeg handling
[11:51:00] johnp_: stuarta, things I noticed, and this is all very subjective, switching of browse mode helps. it only happens on sky 3 which could be down to reception issues.
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[11:52:00] stuarta: I had quite a bit of trouble on e4+1
[11:52:00] ** juski grabs the cvs of mythburn **
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[11:52:00] juski: I find livetv in DVB very sucky, but recordings work fine all the time
[11:53:00] stuarta: juski: problem is, used to work perfectly.
[11:53:00] juski: it's mostly channel changing delays I can't live with.. even in svn they're terrible
[11:53:00] juski: and the 'should have gotten a lock by now' error on channels I know aren't on air yet
[11:54:00] stuarta: that bit needs to be nice'd up
[11:54:00] johnp_: juski: If that proves to be the case I *might* upgrade when it's released.
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[11:54:00] juski: that said, the system I was testing SVN on had a newer kernel... unbelievably the DVB drivers are worse than they used to be
[11:54:00] juski: or rather, not as good
[11:55:00] juski: on 2.6.11 my dvb card gets a lock everytime & dvbscan succeeds.. not always the case with 2.6.12
[11:55:00] directhex|work: juski, the DVB drivers in the kernel have been a constant mess
[11:55:00] directhex|work: juski, they don't even compile half the time
[11:55:00] stuarta: found 2.6.15 quite good.
[11:55:00] juski: I wouldn't go that far – never had any issues compiling, even with 2.6.9
[11:56:00] directhex|work: juski, cx88xx?
[11:56:00] juski: yup
[11:56:00] juski: I love ubuntu, but mangling the kernel seems to be harder than in gentoo
[11:57:00] stuarta: the future's looking brighter since v4l & linuxdvb merged trees
[11:57:00] juski: very very true :)
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[11:57:00] juski: and when ivtv gets fully onboard... no more bloody module conflicts
[11:57:00] stuarta: anything specifically evil about cx88xx?
[11:57:00] juski: stuarta: just the demuxer part I think
[11:58:00] juski: maybe the frontend
[11:58:00] directhex|work: stuarta, and, in my experience (but not juski's, compilation trouble)
[11:58:00] stuarta: I picked one up cheap a few weeks ago, been fine.
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[11:58:00] juski: got 2 LR6650s I got very cheap in my main 0.18 backend.. been no trouble on 2.6.11
[11:58:00] stuarta: few odd messages in syslog, but same with my nebula..
[11:59:00] juski: but my 3rd one in the ubuntu box on 2.6.12 sometimes doesn't get a lock for aaaages
[11:59:00] juski: and dvb scanning, even with dvbscan is tricky
[12:01:00] juski: I'll try a newer kernel one of these days
[12:01:00] juski: have to wait til ivtv settles down a bit with 2.6.15
[12:01:00] stuarta: 2.6.15 is the first I found works 'out of the box'
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[12:03:00] directhex|work: i ought to redo my whole mythtv setup. when i have cash.
[12:03:00] juski: I was initially surprised ubuntu just worked with a dvb tuner
[12:03:00] juski: so one card had more than one entry in /dev/dvb but hey
[12:05:00] juski: ooo a veritable raft of errors with ./install.sh
[12:05:00] juski: marvellous
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[12:12:00] juski: this script is crap.. looking for stuff in all the wrong places I think
[12:14:00] juski: and there are missing files – nice
[12:20:00] directhex|work: sounds like an intel installer
[12:35:00] juski: heh
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[12:39:00] juski: hahaha.. something copied a file called *.php into a mythweb directory.. wonder what that could've been
[12:39:00] juski: eh? it's a symlink
[12:40:00] juski: now I can't just go doing a rm *.php
[12:41:00] jvs: does zsnes support lirc?
[12:42:00] directhex|work: jvs, not AFAIK. annoyingly
[12:42:00] jvs: damnit
[12:42:00] jvs: need to use irexec then...
[12:53:00] juski: gahhhh.. this stupid, stupid thing!
[12:53:00] juski: fuck it. I can make dvds myself
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[12:55:00] ** stuarta remembers swearing at mythburn just like juski... **
[12:55:00] juski: why is it so damn convoluted?
[12:56:00] stuarta: pile of dog turn comes to mind...
[12:56:00] stuarta: turn/turd
[12:56:00] juski: so it gets the names of recordings out of the DB
[12:56:00] juski: it demuxes em or whatever, then cuts em, then authors a DVD with a commandline
[12:57:00] stuarta: that's the theory...
[12:57:00] juski: no doubt there's some code worth nicking in it, but it _should_ just install without any jumping through hoops
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[12:57:00] juski: I'm not too concerned about cutting just yet anyway
[12:57:00] stuarta: think my mythburn script will become
[12:58:00] stuarta: mythtranscode (+dvd support) lossless transcode -> dvdauthor...
[12:59:00] stuarta: had a crazy idea last night.
[12:59:00] juski: yeh?
[12:59:00] stuarta: ability to set while editing film, chapter mark & title image mark
[13:00:00] juski: that'd be pretty easy to do I'd have thought
[13:00:00] stuarta: then much of the crap behind mythburn could be automated the way you want.
[13:00:00] juski: are there enough types in recordedmarkup?
[13:00:00] stuarta: a few more won't hurt...
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[13:00:00] stuarta: or one freeform field.
[13:01:00] juski: heh
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[13:02:00] juski: here I go.. upsetting my uptime again
[13:03:00] ExUser2: hola
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[13:08:00] Yellow-Snow: anyone awake?
[13:08:00] laga: no, lo siento.
[13:08:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[13:09:00] Yellow-Snow: gd being sick blows
[13:10:00] juski: hmm need my gentoo cd
[13:11:00] juski: or g4l
[13:11:00] juski: g4l it is
[13:12:00] laga: what's wrong with people? i point them to documentation and they don't read it properly and come back with stupid questions.
[13:12:00] Yellow-Snow: no comment
[13:12:00] juski: dunno laga
[13:12:00] juski: english section of the forums have been quite good lately
[13:12:00] laga: hehe
[13:12:00] Yellow-Snow: is there anyway to make the tv guide font bigger?
[13:13:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: i think you can set that somewhere in the settings
[13:13:00] juski: no
[13:13:00] juski: not without changing a setting ;-)
[13:13:00] Yellow-Snow: via the frontend?
[13:14:00] juski: yup
[13:14:00] Yellow-Snow: hm idk this is getting annoying b/c i cant see anything on my tv and wish i could put it back to my monitor to set it up
[13:14:00] juski: utils/settings > settings > appearance
[13:14:00] juski: hrm.. how big should I maketh this recording partition?
[13:15:00] juski: 300GB will do I think
[13:15:00] juski: nah.. 250GB
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.original
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.nvidia-tvout.sample /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: hey this guy told me to do that to put it to my tv.. what do i type to put it back to my monitor?
[13:16:00] juski: work it out
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: im guessing mv is change file name
[13:16:00] juski: you copy your xf86config to a new file...
[13:16:00] Yellow-Snow: and cp is copy?
[13:16:00] juski: mv is move
[13:17:00] Yellow-Snow: hm so he moved the orginal to .orginal
[13:17:00] Yellow-Snow: then what is cp?
[13:17:00] laga: cp = copy
[13:17:00] juski: no
[13:17:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: do you know about the 'man' command?
[13:17:00] Yellow-Snow: laga 2nd day w/ linux
[13:17:00] juski: you renamed the xf86config-4 file to xf86config-4.original
[13:17:00] juski: mythtv & linux – a baptism of fire.. muhahahahahaha
[13:18:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: :) type 'man cp' or 'man mv' for example, and it will give you the manual. nifty, huh? start with 'man man' :)
[13:18:00] Yellow-Snow: can't i copy my .orginal to config-4
[13:18:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: also note that file names are case-sensitive
[13:18:00] laga: anyways, gotta run, bye :)
[13:18:00] Yellow-Snow: aight
[13:18:00] Yellow-Snow: later
[13:19:00] juski: later, laga ;-)
[13:21:00] juski: wtf? this g4l cd has no mke2fs
[13:21:00] directhex|work: juski, reiser4!
[13:22:00] juski: sod that
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[13:22:00] juski: had good results with ext3 so far & I'm keeping that
[13:23:00] ivor: oh dear. bad jokes in popbitch this week.
[13:23:00] juski: popbitch still going? I unsubscribed ages ago.. they got too unshocking
[13:23:00] ivor: Q: What do Charles Kennedy & Mark Oaten have in common?
[13:23:00] directhex|work: juski, is it called anything else, like mkfs.ext2?
[13:24:00] ivor: A: They both liked to get shit-faced.
[13:24:00] directhex|work: juski, though it's a gentooish CD – ricers only. you're lucky if it has anything but reiser4
[13:24:00] Yellow-Snow: arg it still didnt work
[13:24:00] ivor: juski: yeah it seems to be back on top form recently.... lots of good material from big-brother and the lib-dems.
[13:25:00] Yellow-Snow: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.orginal /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[13:25:00] Yellow-Snow: why didn't that work
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[13:27:00] juski: Yellow-Snow... cos you got a filename wrong?
[13:27:00] Yellow-Snow: how so?
[13:28:00] juski: orginal
[13:28:00] juski: instead of original
[13:28:00] Yellow-Snow: oh my
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[13:30:00] juski: ugh... this g4l cd has mkfifo.. but no formatting tool it would seem
[13:32:00] directhex|work: juski, like anyone ever "formats" disks
[13:32:00] juski: course they do
[13:32:00] juski: alright then.. no file system making tools on the CD :-/
[13:34:00] tweak_st: anybody having problems compilint mythdvd with the newest svn?
[13:34:00] juski: aha found my gentoo cd
[13:34:00] Yellow-Snow: once you restart gdm how do u get back into the system?
[13:34:00] tweak_st: compiling*
[13:34:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: normally you log back in
[13:34:00] Yellow-Snow: i do and it just text
[13:35:00] Yellow-Snow: not the whole gui
[13:35:00] tweak_st: dvdprobe.cpp:545 error: `DVDUDFVolumeInfo' undeclared (first use this function)
[13:36:00] tweak_st: seems like a programming error to me
[13:36:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa it worked
[13:36:00] tweak_st: or maybe i gotta co mythtv also..doh
[13:36:00] juski: tweak_st: not a programming error. a user error
[13:37:00] tweak_st: yeah..lol
[13:37:00] GreyFoxx: Compiles for me
[13:37:00] tweak_st: sorry long night for me
[13:40:00] Yellow-Snow: insert the following after the PATH line where xxxx is the desired password:
[13:41:00] Yellow-Snow: does that mean right after? no spaces? or the line under
[13:43:00] GreyFoxx: What is it for ?
[13:44:00] Yellow-Snow: nvc
[13:44:00] tweak_st: with a dualcore processor, does make -j do anything? all i see is it keeps complaining about a hostlist
[13:44:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: nvc? Or do you mean vnc ?
[13:45:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[13:45:00] Yellow-Snow: thats what i mean
[13:45:00] laga: tweak_st: that would likely be distcc complaining about the hostlist
[13:45:00] tweak_st: should i just add 127.0.0.1 a few times?
[13:45:00] GreyFoxx: I would expect you need a space, but there is one way to find out
[13:45:00] GreyFoxx: tweak_st: Just ignroe it
[13:46:00] Yellow-Snow: can i vnc via windows machine?
[13:46:00] GreyFoxx: sure, vnc is vnc
[13:47:00] Yellow-Snow: k it refuses connect so i gues it didnt work
[13:47:00] GreyFoxx: sounds like the vnc server isn't running
[13:47:00] GreyFoxx: Or at least not listening on the IP you are connecting too
[13:48:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i run the vnc server
[13:48:00] Yellow-Snow: as in command or find it
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: Well, if it'
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: s just a quick one off
[13:48:00] Yellow-Snow: ?
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: x11vnc -display :0 -passwd MOOOO
[13:48:00] Yellow-Snow: in xterm?
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: Or in an ssh session
[13:50:00] Yellow-Snow: blah still wont let me connect
[13:51:00] GreyFoxx: Same error as before ?
[13:51:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[13:51:00] Yellow-Snow: i tried 192.168.1.100 1 2 3 ect
[13:51:00] GreyFoxx: So 192.168.1.100 is the IP or are you saying to don't klnow the IP of the machine ?
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[13:52:00] Yellow-Snow: idk its 192.168.1.101 or 192.168.1.102 or 192.168.1.100
[13:52:00] Yellow-Snow: 1 of those
[13:52:00] GreyFoxx: find out for sure
[13:52:00] Yellow-Snow: why does it mattter?
[13:53:00] Yellow-Snow: 102
[13:53:00] GreyFoxx: So that we know you are talking to the correct machine ?
[13:53:00] Yellow-Snow: i can try every ip
[13:53:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh*
[13:53:00] Yellow-Snow: er ok well its 102
[13:53:00] Yellow-Snow: and unable to connect
[13:53:00] GreyFoxx: And x11vnc is still running ?
[13:53:00] juski: ugh... set it to something & dump the DHCP
[13:54:00] Yellow-Snow: i typed x11vnc -display :0 -passwd aaaa
[13:54:00] GreyFoxx: And after you hit enter a ton of stuff scrolled by and you were NOT dumped back to a commandprompt right ?
[13:54:00] Yellow-Snow: im still in the commandpromp
[13:55:00] Yellow-Snow: back to root
[13:55:00] GreyFoxx: So after you hit enter stuff scrolled by and then you were dropped back to a commandprompt ?
[13:55:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[13:55:00] GreyFoxx: And did you by change read any of the scrolling stuff to see if there was an error message ?
[13:56:00] Yellow-Snow: none
[13:57:00] GreyFoxx: place the entire output of the command onto www.pastebin.ca
[13:58:00] Yellow-Snow: trying to find
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: And.... X is already running that machine that you want to vnc to I assume
[13:59:00] Yellow-Snow: im using knoppmyth
[13:59:00] Yellow-Snow: so i guess
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: Well, either is a gui or it's not :)
[14:00:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
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[14:01:00] Yellow-Snow: oh well im lost.. i gata go to school anyways so ill work on it later
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[14:02:00] Yellow-Snow: thx for attempting mission impossible
[14:02:00] GreyFoxx: have fun
[14:02:00] Yellow-Snow: yea right
[14:02:00] Yellow-Snow: school + sick
[14:02:00] Yellow-Snow: blows
[14:02:00] juski: like I said.. baptism of fire ;-)
[14:03:00] juski: omfg.. Goobuntu? is nothing sacred?!
[14:03:00] laga: sounds adult to me
[14:03:00] juski: el reg strikes again
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[14:04:00] juski: just outta curiosity, is there any way to get cp to show a progress indicator?
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[14:05:00] juski: duh no, course not
[14:05:00] Yellow-Snow: just wondering.. this password stuff gets annoying.. anyway to remove it?
[14:05:00] juski: heh. you don't really wanna do that
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[14:05:00] Yellow-Snow: hah aight
[14:06:00] juski: if it'll let you, just set blank passwords. but as I said, you really dont wanna
[14:06:00] Yellow-Snow: i tried a lready
[14:06:00] Yellow-Snow: and it said it didnt match passwords
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[14:08:00] juski: well by my reckoning this massive bunch of cp -R should be done soon
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[14:23:00] shadsash: anybody know what the status of the next Myth release is?
[14:23:00] shadsash: seems like I've been waiting forever
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[14:23:00] squish102: has any1 moved from a FC4 to a knoppmyth and then used knoppmyth as a general linux platform to do notmal linux stuff on?
[14:25:00] squish102: i am running FC4 day to day, but fighting soo much with mythbutn to get it working on FC4, i'm thinking of chaning to knoppmyth as it is easier to get mythtv up and running
[14:26:00] juski: heh.. I don't think moving to knoppmyth will make it any easier
[14:26:00] juski: I tried it this morning.. it's borked
[14:27:00] juski: fixable, but broken all the same
[14:27:00] squish102: ahhh, maybe i should continue using nuvexport then ?
[14:28:00] squish102: i just dont have it connected to my tv, so i need a way wife can record stuff and dump to dvd
[14:29:00] squish102: either that or go install windows and some other pvr software (although that would be last resort)
[14:30:00] juski: dvd writing is only a very rare occurrance in this house anyway, so I don't care either way really
[14:32:00] squish102: juski, what tuner card u run?
[14:32:00] juski: pvr150 & 2 dvb-t tuners
[14:33:00] johnp_: shadsash: I think Isaac said in one weeks time but he said that last week. I think either "real soon now" or "when it's done" are the two appropriate phrases.
[14:33:00] directhex|work: johnp_, how about "just before Duke Nukem Forever"?
[14:34:00] squish102: juski, do u have any sound issues with your pvr150 (record too soft or sound not controlled by mythtv)?
[14:35:00] juski: sound is pretty quiet, but that's down to my cable box... adverts blast out really loud
[14:36:00] squish102: ok thanks, i have to put my sound way up with pvr150 (like full on tv) mythtv somehow records at a low level :( still trying to fix it
[14:41:00] juski: look in the recording profiles if you haven't already
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[14:44:00] shadash: johnp_: thanks
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[14:57:00] tweak_st: any way to change the libdir in svn version?
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[15:05:00] BloodHawk: is there an alsa mixer device?
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[15:06:00] tweak_st: alsamixer..
[15:06:00] BloodHawk: not command.
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[15:06:00] BloodHawk: but like .. /dev/mixer
[15:06:00] BloodHawk: or is it the same?
[15:08:00] BloodHawk: i.e., ALSA:default is to ALSA audio as /dev/dsp is to OSS, I thought /dev/mixer may be an OSS device and there would be an ALSA-specific alternative to it?
[15:09:00] GreyFoxx: try just "default" ... failing that "ALSA:default"
[15:10:00] BloodHawk: those should work with Myth as the mixer device?
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[15:10:00] BloodHawk: excellent. thank you.
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: "default" should work
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[15:25:00] aep: hi
[15:26:00] aep: anything new about the xmltv tv_today problem? is it soved?
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[15:33:00] hans0lo: How can I find out what version of mythbackend I am running?
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[15:36:00] juski: mythbackend --version
[15:36:00] juski: yay.. cp _does_ have a progress indicator option
[15:38:00] hans0lo: juski: ty
[15:38:00] juski: mythbackend --help tells you all you need to know ;-)
[15:40:00] hans0lo: juski: I'm trying to get my iMac to work as a frontend. I have the right backend and frontend version combination, but I can't watch recordings, or live tv. I can only view recording schedules.
[15:40:00] juski: no idea with that one, sorry
[15:41:00] hans0lo: juski: I just found another build for OSX.. about to try it out.
[15:42:00] juski: oh man I'm only getting 20MB/sec copying across disks... should have had a spare controller
[15:43:00] hans0lo: juski: is DMA enabled?
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[15:44:00] hans0lo: juski: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda will enable it.
[15:44:00] juski: already enabled
[15:44:00] juski: both disks are on the same channel – that'll be why
[15:44:00] kjon: I need to enable saa7130 support for 2.6.15-r1 (gentoo) kernel. Where is the option to enable this module? I can't find it anywhere.
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: Try #gentoo maybe ?
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[15:54:00] tweak_st: any way to change where myth installs its libs? there is no option in configure...
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[15:56:00] juski: prefix, isn't it?
[15:56:00] tweak_st: thats just for the base
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: And for libs
[15:56:00] tweak_st: libs go into prefix/lib
[15:56:00] sphing: thats for everything
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: But if you are trying to put libs under /whasudhaskjdhaskjhdjklashdjklashdlkashdlshasd/libs and everything else under PREFIX/ then no
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: unless PREFIX is set to /whasudhaskjdhaskjhdjklashdjklashdlkashdlshasd
[15:57:00] tweak_st: i want it in prefix/lib64
[15:57:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: was that many random character necessary?
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: I felt it was
[15:58:00] sphing: fair enough
[15:58:00] tweak_st: cant even modify the makefiles?
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: You could likely edit the various .pro files which are used to generate the makefiles
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[16:00:00] tweak_st: i was hoping i could add some random option like --libdir :(
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: There is some stuff about a libdir in the configure script, but it looks like it's disabled and everything is forced under the prefix
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[16:07:00] aep: how can i put the station list from xawtv into mythtv?
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[16:16:00] juski: can you even do that?
[16:16:00] directhex|work: with a mile-long list of perl doodads and mysql trickery, sure!
[16:17:00] johnp_: is it not mythfilldatabase -xawtv or something like that ?
[16:17:00] johnp_: I'm sure it's in the doc.
[16:20:00] juski: now here's a general linux question... can you linux ide drivers work two devices at independent speeds? or is the slowest device on the bus still what sets the pace?
[16:22:00] directhex|work: it's a limit in the hardware, not the drivers
[16:23:00] aep: watching tv with xawt works very fluently, but if i use mythtv it slows down, and is unuseable
[16:23:00] juski: ahh the controller limits it then.. if anything does
[16:24:00] juski: aep: so don't use mythtv ;-)
[16:24:00] aep: wat did i do wrong?
[16:24:00] aep: but i want to use myth juski
[16:25:00] aep: what do i have to do, to make it working fluently?
[16:25:00] directhex|work: aep, what tv card, what CPU?
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[16:27:00] aep: 697.872 mhz p2 Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture , directhex|work
[16:27:00] aep: graphics card is nvidia gf4mx
[16:28:00] directhex|work: so, pretty much everything is CPU dependant then
[16:28:00] aep: load average: 5.89, 3.90, 2.17
[16:28:00] directhex|work: bear in mind that myth doesnt just "view" TV per se – it records to disk, then plays back that recording
[16:28:00] directhex|work: six? holy shit
[16:29:00] aep: oh i see my hardrive dows realy loud noise
[16:29:00] directhex|work: that might be it then, old sucky hard disk
[16:29:00] aep: true
[16:29:00] directhex|work: usually, i'd suggest changing the codec myth is using to record
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: aep: Unlike xawtv myth is a pvr, and is capturing to disk and playing back frm there. As well in your case with a old framegrabber it is encoding the video before writting
[16:30:00] directhex|work: but the ones with less CPU use make more disk use – and it sounds like that would have a bad effect
[16:30:00] directhex|work: conversely, one with lower disk use would increae cpu use. which would also be bad
[16:30:00] directhex|work: i'm guessing you're on PIO or ATA33 for your disk, you cpu is gonna be getting hammered by disk access to a (slow, small) disk
[16:31:00] directhex|work: is there a digital TV service in your country, i.e. DVB-T ?
[16:31:00] aep: hm maybe software raid would solve my problem?
[16:31:00] aep: directhex|work, yes but not in my city
[16:32:00] directhex|work: no, software raid would worsen the problem, as your CPU would be doing RAID calcilations, as well as IO processes and media encoding
[16:32:00] aep: i see
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: And 700MHZ is tweak: Since I assume you are trying to that 700MHZ would likely not be able to handle both software compression and playback at the same time, regardless of how fast you can read/write to the drive
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: oops, stupid cut n paste
[16:32:00] aep: shit
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: that 700MHZ would likely not be able to handle both software compression and playback at the same time, regardless of how fast you can read/write to the drive
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: Recording in the background it might be okd
[16:33:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, presumably it'd depend on the codec. rtjpeg is hardly the most demanding – but it'll gobble I/O, which on that age of hardware will requirte a lot of CPU to manage
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: and playback might be fine
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: but not both at the same time
[16:33:00] ** directhex|work smells PIO **
[16:34:00] aep: shure, what did you expect on an old p3
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: directhex|work: I've tried both on an old machine which was using a PCI based IDE controller
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: the CPU just didn't cut it
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: the 700MHZ machine I did it one was "close" but not quite enough
[16:34:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, fair enough then. i've done software-based tests before, but on a 2.26 p4
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: a 800 or so was fine
[16:34:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, as for my current machine, a 1.7ghz pentium-m can just about manage dvb-t.....
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: If it's just playback with a hardware card like a pvr150 then that 700mhz would be ok
[16:35:00] jvs: aep, I got a pvr-250 for my PIII
[16:35:00] aep: would a ramdisk help?
[16:35:00] directhex|work: oh, that's an option. good point jvs
[16:35:00] wjp79: I just installed Ubuntu, now trying to upgrade mythtv --> svn. I did ./configure, now it sais lame is not installed.
[16:35:00] aep: jvs, whats that?
[16:35:00] jvs: this would solve your problem...my old PIII 866 did serve well as backend/frontend in the living room
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: aep: your biggest limiting factor is cpu
[16:35:00] aep: ok
[16:35:00] directhex|work: aep, not unless you had about 4 gig of ram, and only wanted an hour of recording
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[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: With ahardware card it should do the job fine
[16:36:00] jvs: pvr cards are equipped with a hardware encoder that will do the encoding
[16:36:00] aep: expensive?
[16:36:00] directhex|work: aep, jvs raises an excellent point – the hauppauge pvr series do hardware video encoding, so all your cpu needs to do is i/o and playback, not encoding too
[16:36:00] jvs: so all the cpu does, is decoding the mpeg stream from the cards
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: aep a pvr150 is $60-$80US depending on where you buy
[16:36:00] jvs: well, thats the point
[16:36:00] directhex|work: aep, more expensive than your bt8x8 – but not neccessarily *too* expensive
[16:37:00] jvs: 1 month ago I got a pvr-250 for 30 Euros at ebay :)
[16:37:00] aep: 30eu would be ok
[16:37:00] jvs: it must have been overlooed though
[16:37:00] jvs: overlooked
[16:37:00] wjp79: sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know how to install Lame-devel for ubuntu?
[16:37:00] jvs: now I got two of em, which allows Picture in Picture and recording two shows at once
[16:37:00] directhex|work: wjp79, do you have multiverse sources?
[16:38:00] jvs: aep, I would say 50–60 bucks
[16:38:00] jvs: but its worth the money, especially if there is no dvb available at your city
[16:38:00] aep: " HAUPPAUGE WinTV PVR 250" that thing?
[16:38:00] jvs: for example
[16:38:00] directhex|work: wjp79, also, "devel" is for redhat. the package will be called "liblame-dev"
[16:38:00] jvs: the new pvr-150 is the same card, but cheaper
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: aep: The 150 is cheaper and does the same stuff
[16:39:00] aep: ebay 15 eu
[16:39:00] jvs: it is also equipped with an infrared receiver, so you can use a remote control
[16:39:00] aep: works with linux? how nice
[16:39:00] directhex|work: wjp79, lo and behold – http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libdevel/liblame-dev
[16:39:00] jvs: this receiver and its remotes are well supported and widely used
[16:40:00] directhex|work: i like my remote. it's sexay
[16:40:00] jvs: I replaced the hauppauge remote with a kameleon :)
[16:40:00] Arkkis: jvs, what version?
[16:40:00] jvs: it starts glowing when touched, now this is sexy :)
[16:40:00] jvs: kameleon 4
[16:41:00] wjp79: thats the one.. tnx
[16:41:00] Arkkis: how much did you pay for it?
[16:41:00] aep: yeah i got one. it just says " Hauppauge PVR-PVR-PCI winxp compatible "  :D
[16:41:00] aep: but it looks ok
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: make sure it's a 150/250/350/500
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[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: The PVR PCI is a different beast I believe and is not supported driverwise
[16:42:00] jvs: Arkkis: I got it for 30 Euros on ebay
[16:42:00] Arkkis: huh
[16:42:00] aep: oh
[16:42:00] wjp79: didn't know that about the devel and lib thing. ..
[16:42:00] jvs: GreyFoxx, yes, not supported
[16:42:00] aep: thats the picture http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/19/fe/6f_2.JPG
[16:42:00] directhex|work: kam4 is about £25 if you know where to look
[16:42:00] jvs: pvr-150 is fine, it you can get a pvr-250 for the same, get this one
[16:42:00] aep: cant see anything
[16:42:00] jvs: its older and even more supported, at least by myth
[16:43:00] directhex|work: http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=thre . . . img_0486.jpg
[16:43:00] jvs: directhex|work, I have seen the kam4 for 60–70 Euros in stores here
[16:43:00] jvs: directhex|work, yeah thats mine
[16:43:00] directhex|work: jvs, yeah, it *retails* for £50
[16:43:00] directhex|work: jvs, www.dalepakdirect.com, £25
[16:43:00] jvs: 50 Pounds sterling?
[16:44:00] aep: " Leadtek PVR 2000" would that work?
[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: aep:I don't think that does the hardware compression
[16:44:00] jvs: aep, honestly: just try to get a hauppauge 150/250/350/500
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[16:45:00] rav3r: if i want to use vobcopy to rip a full dvd, where do i store it and how can i play it (with the menus) in mythtv, do i change the video player to xine like i did the dvd player?
[16:45:00] jvs: its worth the money, and lots of people got one
[16:45:00] aep: ok thanks i'll try to get one from ebay
[16:46:00] directhex|work: isn't the PVR2000 a dvb-t card?
[16:46:00] jvs: myth 0.19 supports this cards pretty well, directly stores the recordings as mpeg2 and supports loseless editing
[16:46:00] directhex|work: i'm sure my wintv nova-t's are detected as something leadtekky
[16:46:00] juski: do _not_ buy a PVR2000 for linux
[16:46:00] jvs: so you can directly burn it to dvd
[16:47:00] juski: pvr2000 is a clone of pvr250, but so different it won't work at all.. well – it'll do mpeg2 video encoding, but you don't get audio with it
[16:47:00] jvs: directhex|work, 25 pounds sterling are 36 Euros...thats what I got my card for
[16:47:00] jvs: card=remote
[16:47:00] aep: yes i'll try to get something thats name includes "PVR 150"
[16:47:00] juski: heh
[16:48:00] directhex|work: hm. i wonder what it was my cards are detected as
[16:48:00] juski: nano /etc/fstab
[16:48:00] juski: pvr2000 probably, like mine are
[16:48:00] juski: lspci lies though
[16:48:00] aep: good to know about compatible _before_ buy something ;-) thank you
[16:48:00] directhex|work: CURSE YOU, LSPCI!
[16:49:00] jvs: aep, as I said, get anything like pvr *50
[16:49:00] jvs: well, Im off to get some tortillas
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[16:49:00] aep: hm. just one question. does the "pvr" indicate that it has hw compression?
[16:50:00] directhex|work: aep, basically, yes
[16:50:00] juski: aep: not quite
[16:50:00] aep: juski, explain, please
[16:50:00] juski: some shitty cards also have pvr in their names
[16:50:00] jvs|foodhunt: aep, regarding hauppauge, yes
[16:50:00] juski: best buy a branded hauppauge card ;-)
[16:50:00] rav3r: anyone else use vobcopy to rip?
[16:51:00] directhex|work: rav3r, only as part of a process, never on its own
[16:51:00] aep: ok so "haupauge *pvr*150" should be a hw – compression card even if this stupid $MS users didnt write it to the ebay description
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[16:51:00] juski: yes
[16:51:00] juski: I've seen ebay prices & I won't pay that much
[16:52:00] aep: nice :) its at 5 euro, and just 1 day left
[16:52:00] aep: and it hase a remote includet
[16:52:00] rav3r: juski: www.salescircular.com is a good site to find local stores with sales
[16:52:00] juski: it'll go up & up & up
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[16:52:00] juski: I paid £40 for my pvr150MCE
[16:53:00] rav3r: but it might just be US
[16:53:00] rav3r: idunno
[16:53:00] juski: best price in the UK.. they were going for £50 to £70 on ebay that week
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[16:53:00] juski: nice way to make pocket money, that
[16:53:00] directhex|work: aep, "MCE" models have no remote, for your reference
[16:54:00] aep: ok good to know
[16:54:00] directhex|work: i.e. "MCE" cards are for Windows XP Media Center edition, which includes its own remote
[16:54:00] aep: i see
[16:54:00] juski: but as I already had a remote & receiver.. just got the card on its own in an anti static bag ;-)
[16:54:00] aep: hm this one is a mce but _has_ a remote
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[16:54:00] aep: directhex|work, http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . photohosting
[16:54:00] juski: some are 'MCE kits'
[16:55:00] aep: dont know what it means, but does it work with linux?
[16:55:00] directhex|work: that's... weird
[16:55:00] juski: MCE remotes do, as do MCE cards (if they're support by ivtv)
[16:55:00] directhex|work: looks like the windows MCE remote (usb) and a card
[16:55:00] directhex|work: juski, don;t the latest MCE remotes not work?
[16:56:00] directhex|work: anyway, theyre ugly compared to the kameleon
[16:56:00] aep: ok i'm confused. wtf is a mce-card? do i need it to use the remote?
[16:57:00] juski: the kameleon doesn't have enough buttons iirc
[16:57:00] rav3r: i have the 150 mce with remote, got it this past x-mas, so i'm guessing it isnt too old, the remote works fine, and i really like the feel of it
[16:57:00] scottder: Hey all, what would cause my remote to NOT work at all ine Xine, working fine in MythTV though?
[16:58:00] juski: w00t.. new HDD installed, all recordings copied over.. 30% free now
[16:58:00] juski: oops.. 70% free now
[16:59:00] rav3r: scottder> ~/.mythtv/lircrc  ?
[16:59:00] rav3r: does it have commands for xine in it?
[16:59:00] scottder: i have the same .lircrc and .mythtv/lircrc
[16:59:00] aep: rav3r, so you have the haupauge pvr 150 _mce_ with the remote like this one http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/13/f4/7a_1_b.JPG and no extras like an mce -card and it works out of the box?
[16:59:00] scottder: Yup
[17:00:00] rav3r: yea, that's the one. i had to do irrecord to get it to work, but that might be just because i couldnt find the right conf for the remote (not because it didn't already exist)
[17:01:00] rav3r: also, when i did the record, i named the buttons different then the ~/.mythtv/lircrc had them
[17:01:00] rav3r: so, i had to change that to use my names
[17:01:00] rav3r: like volup instead of vol+
[17:01:00] aep: ok but you had no driver problems
[17:01:00] rav3r: wait, mine looks a little different
[17:02:00] rav3r: i is the same shape, but doesnt have those colored buttons
[17:02:00] rav3r: at the bottom
[17:02:00] rav3r: here is a picture i took of mine after i cracked it open and replaced the windows logo with mythtv
[17:02:00] rav3r: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1498/868/640/100_0567.jpg
[17:03:00] aep: where is the remote connected? has the card on the image the same connector (dont know the name)
[17:03:00] scottder: things seem to match up with the xine keymap
[17:03:00] aep: hehe nice
[17:03:00] rav3r: you can see it's a little different then the image you sent me
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[17:03:00] rav3r: i don't know if the dirver would be different or not
[17:03:00] scottder: rav3r: how hard was it to crack open
[17:04:00] rav3r: i was afraid, i thought i was breaking it
[17:04:00] aep: rav3r, ok where is the ir – receiver conectet to the card?
[17:04:00] rav3r: you just have to pry it apart along the seem
[17:04:00] rav3r: my reciever is usb
[17:04:00] rav3r: looks like the one in your picture is too
[17:05:00] rav3r: im guessing that what that is in the black bag with the cord
[17:05:00] aep: oh. so the receiver isnt includet in the card?
[17:05:00] rav3r: no, it has a usb connection
[17:05:00] rav3r: doesn't connect directly to the card at all
[17:05:00] aep: and that works with linux?
[17:06:00] rav3r: and it also came with a blaster, but i havn't gotten that far yet
[17:06:00] rav3r: yes, the usb worked great
[17:06:00] rav3r: as soon as i did the irrecord
[17:06:00] scottder: wth now i can't even control xine on the keyboard
[17:06:00] aep: you have the same black box ?
[17:06:00] rav3r: it looks the same, but it's hard to tell in that bag
[17:07:00] rav3r: but the cord looks the same, and it seems to be of simmiliar size
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[17:08:00] aep: yes ok. thank you very much for your " field report" . i'll try that out
[17:08:00] nuxil: whats the diff between irtv and bttv ? and does mythtv support both types of card?
[17:08:00] aep: is "field report" the corrct word? (not an native english speaker)
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[17:09:00] UBL: nuxil, yes
[17:09:00] kormoc: nuxil, bttv is for cards with the bt8xx chips, which are a software frame grabber that uses the cpu to encode the frames
[17:09:00] nuxil: ok,,
[17:09:00] kormoc: nuxil, ivtv is for the hoppauge pvr cards, which are a hardware mpeg2 encoder
[17:09:00] kormoc: nuxil, and yes, myth supports both
[17:10:00] nuxil: thxz,,
[17:10:00] rav3r: good luck, aep
[17:11:00] squish102: rav3r, i think that should be said to any1 that attempts to install mythtv "good luck"
[17:11:00] aep: rav3r, thx
[17:12:00] scottder: hrrmmm this is messed up
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[17:14:00] nuxil: now.. i have another issue,, when i try to run mythtv i dont start.. i dont get access to mysql i guess.. since it works with the user mythtv.. but i dont wanna use the mythtv user.. so how do i grant myself in the SQL database with my username?
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[17:16:00] rav3r: squish102: amen
[17:17:00] rav3r: i've been working on this since x-mas
[17:17:00] Beirdo: I think anyone who doesn't have a strong Linux background, perhaps. It took some of us only a couple hours first time out.
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[17:18:00] Beirdo: but we aren't necessarily the average users
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: grant all on mythconverg.* to 'youruser'@'localhost' identified by 'yourpassword';
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: flush privileges;
[17:19:00] rav3r: yes, this is my first true linux expeirence
[17:19:00] rav3r: before this, i played a little with "damn small linux"
[17:19:00] rav3r: but not much
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[17:19:00] Beirdo: Linux is not an easy learning curve for many
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: Nothing is
[17:19:00] Beirdo: true enough
[17:20:00] Beirdo: but it's worth it in the end, I think :)
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: If I sit my mom down infront of a windows box and hand her a CD and nothing else and say "Install and configure that", then walk away ...she will have problems
[17:20:00] rav3r: like that joke, about windows users, mac users, and linux users wanting to fly somewhere
[17:20:00] Beirdo: well, I got my mom comfortable with reinstalling Windows
[17:20:00] Beirdo: she had to do it SOOO many times
[17:21:00] nuxil: rav3r yea i heard that one.. it a good one :d
[17:21:00] rav3r: i don't remember all of it, just the part about the linux user said he would build his own plane
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: When my grandmother first asked me to set her up a computer to do some web surfing aznd email the other grandkids I set her up with a Slackware 7.1 box, runng KDE 2.x at the time I think. She's got a newer install and such now but she has never had a problem using it
[17:22:00] aep: /j #freevo
[17:22:00] aep: ops
[17:22:00] Beirdo: good work, GreyFoxx :)
[17:22:00] aep: dont beat me i'm not changing ;-)
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[17:23:00] Beirdo: you do what you want, aep :)
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[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: She finds it oddly amusing that the other members of the family running windows always complain about problems she's never seen
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[17:24:00] scopeuk: ok guy wit a seperate front end/backend system should a 433 celeron with 256 ran and a single bt876 card be useable (backend that is)
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[17:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: scopeuk: Nope
[17:24:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx, she can be smug knowing that she's using a nice safe OS :)
[17:24:00] rav3r: freevo, havn't heard that in a while
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: assuming that bt card is a regular framegrabber
[17:25:00] scopeuk: whould that not be able to handel capture to uncompresed d oyou not think?
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: scopeuk: Myth doesn't do uncompressed video
[17:25:00] scopeuk: spsoe regardless of whats said i will try it later
[17:25:00] scopeuk: well minimum compresion
[17:25:00] Beirdo: it's *possible* to use the 433, but you will have to severely tweak the settings to use less CPU, and will end up with fugly results
[17:25:00] scopeuk: heh im jsut playing its not a critical system
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: scopeuk: I still say the amount of effort to get it running wouldn't be worth your time, but it's your time to use
[17:26:00] scopeuk: im jsut lookign at what hardware i have spare atm
[17:26:00] Beirdo: my boss used a celeron 450 or so with a frame grabber for over a year
[17:26:00] Beirdo: but his video quality, audio quality... was ass
[17:26:00] scopeuk: gonan say accoring to docs it whould be able to work
[17:26:00] Beirdo: then he bought a PVR-250 and never look back
[17:26:00] scopeuk: yeh liek i say this is a spare componants mission
[17:27:00] Beirdo: if you're going to try it: reduce the capture resolution to 352x288 (half PAL size)
[17:27:00] scopeuk: yeh
[17:27:00] juski: that'll be about vhs quality
[17:27:00] Beirdo: you may need to use RT-JPEG
[17:27:00] Beirdo: and will need mucho disk space
[17:27:00] scopeuk: i have a 60 gig drive roudn here somewhere
[17:27:00] Beirdo: and also reduce the audio quality slider a bit to save CPU
[17:27:00] aep: ust wanne look tv until i got my pvr 150, rav3r
[17:28:00] scopeuk: liek i say this is just to play
[17:28:00] Beirdo: you'll see the limitations soon enough
[17:28:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:28:00] scopeuk: yeh
[17:28:00] scopeuk: ive used old hardware long enough :-p
[17:28:00] juski: the thing to remember is with hardware like that you're more likely to have a negative experience
[17:28:00] Beirdo: it's technically possible, but don't expect beautiful results. :)
[17:28:00] scopeuk: im not
[17:28:00] Beirdo: K :)
[17:28:00] scopeuk: there are only 2 systems in this house that run faster tha na gig
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[17:29:00] scopeuk: adn there are 8 – 10 overall
[17:29:00] Beirdo: as a proof of concept, it might be just enough to get you hooked :)
[17:29:00] scopeuk: yeh
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[17:29:00] juski: spend weeks playing with windows & get nowhere fast, or spend weeks playing with mythtv & end up with a system you love
[17:29:00] scottder: Ok, my remote works fine in mythtv, lircrc seems to match up...I wonder if it's because I am using fluxbox for my wm
[17:29:00] juski: ;-)
[17:29:00] scopeuk: yeh
[17:30:00] scopeuk: is there a bootable cd front end avaliable any where
[17:30:00] scopeuk: or a pxe solution
[17:30:00] juski: knoppmyth
[17:30:00] scopeuk: preferably with some from of walk through
[17:30:00] scopeuk: ok
[17:30:00] Beirdo: knoppmyth should be bootable
[17:30:00] scopeuk: i thought myth tv was jsut an instalation method
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[17:30:00] scopeuk: knoppermyth*
[17:30:00] Beirdo: if not, they screwed up :)
[17:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:30:00] scopeuk: lol
[17:30:00] juski: again
[17:30:00] scopeuk: argh has happened before then
[17:31:00] Beirdo: nobody's perfect
[17:31:00] scopeuk: any one tried the levels of stupidity im considerign and tri booted a desktop to have the front end on there too
[17:31:00] scopeuk: im far from it
[17:31:00] juski: yeh a while back they accidentally released a development version of mythtv – like when livetv was disabled
[17:31:00] scopeuk: ouch
[17:32:00] scopeuk: how is knopper myth as an instalatio nmethod
[17:32:00] squish102: juski, can i rephrase your quote above " spend weeks getting mythtv working, or in windows double click setup.exe and have it running in 10 minutes" :P
[17:32:00] juski: ugh.. multiboot... if your systems are that slow you want linux on all of them
[17:32:00] scopeuk: yeh i know
[17:32:00] scopeuk: im considerign it
[17:32:00] juski: squish102: maybe, yes, but it breaks in about 10 minutes
[17:32:00] scopeuk: rest ofthe family are xp addicts though
[17:32:00] juski: xp on <1Ghz.. wtf?!
[17:32:00] scopeuk: hence i have a hosue full off 433 mhz systems with win xp running
[17:33:00] scopeuk: ive had xp down to 266 mhz
[17:33:00] Beirdo: and hopefully have hidden all the hammers, guns and other implements of destruction
[17:33:00] juski: I don't like XP at 3GHz on a p4 at work
[17:33:00] juski: so slooooow
[17:33:00] squish102: lol juski, i still hopefully one day will get mythtv running so i can see if breaks in 10 minutes
[17:33:00] Beirdo: I'd beat the living hell outta a WinXP box if it were < 1G :)
[17:34:00] scopeuk: the 800 is resonable
[17:34:00] scopeuk: but the 433's are painfull
[17:34:00] juski: I bet
[17:34:00] Beirdo: 800 would be marginal for me
[17:34:00] juski: you need 512mb ram just for it to tick over
[17:34:00] squish102: 3 tuner cards later, and 3 distros and i will not let this thing beat me
[17:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:34:00] scopeuk: there all 128 or 64
[17:34:00] scopeuk: xp with 64 meg of ram and a 433 procesor is painfull
[17:34:00] juski: forking chuff!
[17:34:00] juski: is that why you need like 10 machines?
[17:34:00] juski: to do the work of one linux box?
[17:35:00] Beirdo: I guess you're used to the sound of grinding hard disks
[17:35:00] scopeuk: yeh escape
[17:35:00] scopeuk: i have my own furtunately
[17:35:00] scopeuk: yup
[17:35:00] scopeuk: have acollection of 4.3 gig drives that kinda sound like a train driving through your head
[17:35:00] xpis: You should really just install a vnc client on each of the 433mhz processor computers with 64MB of ram.
[17:35:00] scopeuk: if you can hear em over the hub
[17:35:00] juski: go over 40% duty cycle on a desktop HDD & take its lifespan down a lot ;-)
[17:35:00] scopeuk: yeh
[17:36:00] scopeuk: found out tio my peril
[17:36:00] scopeuk: only dead hdd ever was in a system that had 95% up time for 4 years
[17:36:00] scopeuk: and the hdd had been abused before i got it
[17:36:00] juski: I've got 46 mins of uptime right now
[17:36:00] scopeuk: yeh this system is only 1.5 horus atm
[17:37:00] juski: was 2 weeks, and before that.. over 6 months... I keep tinkering
[17:37:00] scopeuk: this one goes off at night but the main faimly pc gets left on a hell of a lot
[17:37:00] scopeuk: lol
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[17:37:00] jvs: my backend once had 4 monts uptime
[17:37:00] jvs: *months
[17:37:00] juski: cleaning the fans too.. always wise in domestic situations
[17:37:00] juski: I plan to swap the disks before they get near their design life too
[17:37:00] scopeuk: yeh i knoticed that
[17:38:00] juski: retire them gently ;-)
[17:38:00] Beirdo: [gjhurlbu@pint gjhurlbu]$ uptime
[17:38:00] Beirdo: 12:38:08 up 363 days, 10:02, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[17:38:00] scopeuk: i basicaly run hardware into the ground
[17:38:00] Beirdo: my mythtv box :)
[17:38:00] scopeuk: then replace it with more out of date salvaged hardware
[17:38:00] jvs: n1ce
[17:38:00] scopeuk: ncie mate
[17:38:00] scopeuk: what spec is that box
[17:38:00] Beirdo: 2 more days and it's a year
[17:38:00] ** scopeuk prepares to feelhsi main system is in adequate **
[17:38:00] Beirdo: I hope I didn't jinx the thing
[17:38:00] scopeuk: bye bye box :-p
[17:38:00] juski: I still don't understand all that load average stuff
[17:39:00] xpis: Beirdo: just hope that you don't get a really long power outage tonight.
[17:39:00] Beirdo: it's a Sempron 2800+, runs at 50C year round
[17:39:00] Beirdo: or higher
[17:39:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:39:00] juski: 50'C is cool for an AMD cpu
[17:39:00] Beirdo: well, Athlon XP-class
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[17:39:00] xpis: Beirdo: Mine's a Sempron 2800+ too. I got it bundled with a motherboard for $70.
[17:39:00] juski: I've still got Skype installed... that's going off
[17:39:00] scopeuk: mine hits 38C at gfull load
[17:40:00] Beirdo: my AMD64s never go above 30C. ever
[17:40:00] scopeuk: adn thats a 3200+ amd 64
[17:40:00] scopeuk: thats in warm weather
[17:40:00] scopeuk: as it is now it wont even reach 30
[17:40:00] Beirdo: OK, one hit 33C
[17:40:00] Beirdo: make that I've only ONCE seen them above 30C :)
[17:40:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[17:40:00] scopeuk: lol
[17:41:00] Beirdo: wonder what I was doing at 8–9pm last night on my devel server
[17:41:00] scopeuk: next thing that nees to go in my setup is the router
[17:41:00] scopeuk: bloody useless
[17:41:00] scopeuk: thing looks weekly
[17:41:00] juski: so erm... sleeping hard drives.. is it worth the effort, and does mythtv play ok with that?
[17:41:00] juski: looking to reduce house power consumption
[17:41:00] Beirdo: https://www2.beirdo.ca/cacti/graph.php?local_ . . . p;rra_id=all
[17:42:00] Beirdo: that's the PVR :)
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[17:43:00] Beirdo: and we had a HOT summer
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[17:44:00] juski: time to get back to the ironing.. it'll keep me warm.. gas supply is still disconnected :-/
[17:44:00] Beirdo: have some burritos
[17:44:00] scopeuk: un lucky
[17:44:00] jvs: haha juski !
[17:44:00] scopeuk: jsut gather roudn the backend server
[17:44:00] scopeuk: keep your hands warm :-p
[17:44:00] jvs: thats what I'm doing right now too
[17:44:00] Beirdo: how ODD
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[17:45:00] Beirdo: the temperature in my apartment.. is highest right around midnight
[17:45:00] Beirdo: I don't get it
[17:45:00] scopeuk: some pilock has the front dor open so the tmep in my room hasd droped
[17:45:00] Beirdo: must be when I'm watching TV :)
[17:45:00] scopeuk: its very cold here today for he uk
[17:46:00] LonEagle: so after doing some upgrades on my myth box I can't seem to make it watch live tv. it shows about 5 seconds of live tv and then goes back to the main menu
[17:46:00] LonEagle: i can cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg just fine, so I don't think it's the driver
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[17:49:00] scopeuk: is it normal for knoppmyth to only run at 20 k/s
[17:49:00] scopeuk: im havign difiulty finding a good mirror
[17:50:00] scopeuk: fixed it
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[17:52:00] squish102: LonEagle, i'm no expert, but i would check the mythbackend log
[17:53:00] squish102: and start the frontend from a terminal
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[18:07:00] scopeuk: how will knoppmyth deal with two network cards?
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[18:09:00] LonEagle: ah i think mythtv is having trouble tuning
[18:09:00] LonEagle: ivtv-tune works so there must be something wrong with the channel setup
[18:09:00] butabi: would you guys suggest debian sid as backend system?
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[18:14:00] Beirdo: are you used to using sid?
[18:14:00] Beirdo: then yes, use it.
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[18:21:00] butabi: im used to sarge
[18:22:00] butabi: ill just give it a try
[18:26:00] Beirdo: it will likely be just fine
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[18:28:00] woodwizzle: Anyone here use knopmyth?
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[18:32:00] juski: anyone here know how to answer a metaquestion? ;-)
[18:33:00] woodwizzle: juski what?
[18:34:00] juski: just ask direct questions :-)
[18:34:00] woodwizzle: I need to install nvidida graphics drivers, but I don't know how to do so in knoppmyth
[18:34:00] juski: it doesn't come with them?
[18:35:00] woodwizzle: i dont know if I should use apt, or the nvidia download script or some other method because i don't want to screw up the kernel
[18:35:00] woodwizzle: doens't come with the LATEST ones
[18:35:00] woodwizzle: and it didn't autodetect it at all and certainly didn't set up my XF86Config for them either :(
[18:35:00] juski: you don't necessarily want the latest drivers
[18:35:00] juski: 7667 is fine
[18:36:00] juski: there's a bug in the latest drivers that affects mythtv users quite badly.. using opengl vsync hogs the CPU big style
[18:37:00] juski: anyway.. apt-get install nvidia will work according to the knoppmyth doc I've just looked at
[18:37:00] woodwizzle: ok cool thanks
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[18:40:00] LonEagle: how come the myth backend isn't scheduling anything any more? it seems to be confused as to whether it has a capture card or not
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[18:55:00] sphing: LonEagle: make sure you still have epg data
[18:57:00] wylie: can anyone recommend an nvidia video card for a (sff) PCI-X slot
[18:57:00] LonEagle: PCI-X is probably not what you mean.
[18:58:00] LonEagle: you probably mean PCIe
[18:59:00] LonEagle: sphing: i think i do.
[19:01:00] sphing: can you watch live tv?
[19:01:00] sphing: i about to do a phone interview... i'll be back in 30 mins
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[19:06:00] _willcooke_: "so, when did you first want to be a phone?"
[19:07:00] scopeuk: :D
[19:12:00] juski: hey hey hey _willcooke_
[19:14:00] _willcooke_: s'up juski!
[19:14:00] LonEagle: nah, i can't watch any tv. in the frontend, in Tuner Status it says "Tuner 1 is not available"
[19:14:00] LonEagle: and i'm really not sure why it says that
[19:15:00] juski: got da gas back on finally, yay
[19:15:00] _willcooke_: mmmm, warmth
[19:15:00] Beirdo: kaBOOM
[19:15:00] juski: LonEagle: you only have one tuner, and is it already recording perchance?
[19:16:00] LonEagle: i have only one tuner and it is not recording.
[19:16:00] ** _willcooke_ has to go walkies **
[19:16:00] juski: heh
[19:16:00] juski: one tuner... so is it configured?
[19:16:00] stuarta: heh ho
[19:16:00] LonEagle: in mythtv-setup? yes, i think it is.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: what is this, the British Invasion? :)
[19:17:00] Beirdo: almost all the active people here right now are in the UK
[19:17:00] juski: you _think_, LonEagle, or you _know_ ?
[19:17:00] LonEagle: juski: well i'm not sure how i could have screwed it up
[19:18:00] stuarta: Beirdo: it's that home from work, play with the computer thing
[19:18:00] LonEagle: and also, in the listings status it has Result: mythfilldatabase ran, but did not in...
[19:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:18:00] Beirdo: must be
[19:18:00] stuarta: prior to going to the pub... :)
[19:19:00] juski: pub? on a school night? joking?
[19:19:00] stuarta: bored...
[19:19:00] stuarta: need beer.
[19:19:00] ** stuarta suspects he's part alcoholic **
[19:20:00] stuarta: juski: thu night out is the best one of the lot
[19:20:00] stuarta: the only people out, want to be out
[19:20:00] stuarta: tossers tend only to come out fri & sat.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: only the people who need AA are out on Thurs night?
[19:21:00] juski: hmmm used to be mondays for me
[19:21:00] stuarta: mondays are too quiet.
[19:21:00] juski: monday nights in Newcastle.. fake student ID, on the Tuxedo Royale.. £1 a double.. blammo
[19:22:00] stuarta: student towns have a different pub for each night of the week...
[19:22:00] Beirdo: juski: you realize that was logged, right?
[19:22:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:22:00] stuarta: I reckon half the UK has had a fake id...
[19:22:00] juski: I was in full time work and didn't qualify for an NUS card.. discrimination
[19:23:00] DGnome: echelon reads your logs!
[19:23:00] juski: prolly does more than that
[19:23:00] stuarta: I got a student card because I did a course at my local college.
[19:23:00] juski: probably filters nigh on every damn packet now
[19:23:00] stuarta: wonder how often they kill disks from thrashing them...
[19:24:00] alpha_geek: Hi all
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[19:24:00] juski: I wonder how many more civilians are gonna be detained for days without charge & have their IT kit confiscated, but hey...
[19:24:00] Beirdo: google reads the logs
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[19:24:00] stuarta: If I had a pet hamster I'd teach it to read logs...
[19:25:00] alpha_geek: juski: too many
[19:25:00] SqWaw`: Hola! =]
[19:25:00] SqWaw`: stuarta lol
[19:25:00] alpha_geek: be thankfull you are alowed to have IT kit in the firstpalce
[19:25:00] SqWaw`: I have a strange problem... my video playback is very skippy and the audio speeds up and slows down sparatically...
[19:25:00] juski: another way to look at the whole eschelon thing is.. it's a huge government IT project... since when did they ever work all the time (or at all) ? ;-)
[19:25:00] alpha_geek: lol
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[19:27:00] juski: SqWaw': 1st class symptom of something wrong, that.. like wrong/no video driver, no DMA.. too little CPU... etc etc etc
[19:27:00] juski: there's a woman on Channel 5 who reads people's logs, so I hear
[19:27:00] SqWaw`: i've got video drivers....
[19:27:00] SqWaw`: dma doesnt work correctly for my hdd...
[19:28:00] Beirdo: that would be it
[19:28:00] DGnome: no dma, no fun.
[19:28:00] SqWaw`: i definately have enough cpu... :)
[19:28:00] Beirdo: you really need DMA to the drive to have proper functionality
[19:28:00] SqWaw`: its not working correctly on from the kernel
[19:28:00] juski: yeh but if you can only get data off the HDD at 6MB/sec...
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[19:29:00] SqWaw`: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument :(
[19:29:00] juski: be even worse if you don't have a hardware encoding tuner card
[19:30:00] DGnome: SqWaw`: try booting some livecd and see if DMA works with another kernel?
[19:30:00] juski: what chipset is the motherboard?
[19:31:00] Beirdo: you likely just need a recompiled kernel
[19:31:00] Beirdo: with the drivers in
[19:31:00] Beirdo: OR make sure the drivers get inserted before the generic IDE one
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[19:31:00] juski: yeah – if the motherboard has a DMA'able controller
[19:32:00] juski: wait a sec.. it'd have to be pre pennium pross-esser to not have it
[19:32:00] Beirdo: not necessarily :)
[19:32:00] juski: or a PC Chips motherboard
[19:32:00] Beirdo: some mobos are craptacular
[19:33:00] DGnome: craptacular :D
[19:33:00] juski: I'm gonna try to spread that word around.. like it :)
[19:34:00] juski: 'gash' is catching on at work now
[19:34:00] jgiceman: how do i close a ticket on the nuvexport svn?
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[19:34:00] kormoc: jgiceman, if you have to ask, should you?
[19:34:00] LonEagle: lol
[19:34:00] juski: just leave it to whoever slams the door in your face for not attaching a big log to it ;-)
[19:35:00] Beirdo: I also often use "borked"
[19:35:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:35:00] SqWaw`: maybe dma is screwed up in the bios
[19:35:00] jgiceman: well there was a fix that i implemented and it worked so the issue i was having is no longer an issue
[19:36:00] juski: jgiceman: someone'll close it
[19:36:00] kormoc: jgiceman, at the bottom of the ticket, change the dropdown to closed and hit the submit button
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[19:37:00] juski: oh good. I got rid of that nasty 'burn dvd' menu item from mythweb
[19:37:00] Beirdo: SqWaw: what distro?
[19:37:00] jgiceman: i did it semi-anonymous...i don't have an account set up, but i put in my email...i don't have the option to close the ticket
[19:38:00] kormoc: jgiceman, then you can't close it.
[19:39:00] kormoc: jgiceman, just comment that the fixed worked and it can be closed now and someone will close it
[19:39:00] woodwizzle: jusk did you mean apt-get install nvidida-glx?
[19:40:00] juski: woodwizzle: apt-get install nvidia-glx will get everything you need – in theory
[19:40:00] juski: it's in the knoppmyth FM anyway
[19:40:00] jgiceman: kormoc: that's what i figured but i figured i should check! thanks!
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[19:42:00] nuxil: when i run mythfilldatabase i get this error
[19:42:00] nuxil: tv_grab_no
[19:42:00] nuxil: it cant dinf it
[19:42:00] nuxil: nice: tv_grab_no: No such file or directory
[19:42:00] nuxil: i think that is not so nice,,
[19:42:00] woodwizzle: juski... well that seems to install the new drivers you say are b0rked
[19:42:00] nuxil: damn myth beeing ironic with me :P
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[19:43:00] nuxil: i also get: Failed to fetch some program info
[19:43:00] nuxil: but that probealy due to tv_grab_no
[19:43:00] juski: woodwizzle: you can probably still get earlier versions
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[19:44:00] woodwizzle: juski how?
[19:44:00] nuxil: so how do i fix this?
[19:44:00] Beirdo: move to the USA.
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[19:44:00] nuxil: LOL
[19:44:00] Beirdo: oh wait, that's not a good option :)
[19:45:00] nuxil: right
[19:45:00] Beirdo: that's likely an xmltv change, but I don't use xmltv
[19:45:00] Beirdo: find the other tv_grab_*
[19:45:00] Beirdo: maybe it just got renamed?
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[19:45:00] juski: google
[19:46:00] Beirdo: well, yeah there's google too
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[19:46:00] juski: I'm not gonna be doing any more search monkey work for peeps who can't or won't RTFM
[19:46:00] juski: used up all my nice time today
[19:47:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:47:00] Beirdo: I used a pile on a dude in #cacti who couldn't grasp the concept of a path
[19:47:00] juski: heh. there are people out there who shouldn't be allowed to have computers.. or sharp things
[19:48:00] stuarta: sounds like we I never ever want to work in support.
[19:48:00] sphing: concept of a path
[19:48:00] stuarta: we/why
[19:48:00] stuarta: path = thing that wanders through the woods.
[19:48:00] woodwizzle: how do you apt-get a specefic version? like 7667
[19:48:00] Beirdo: man apt-get
[19:49:00] Beirdo: that, my friend, is why man pages were written :)
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[19:49:00] juski: I found out something about the cp command today.. cos I'd never done 'man cp'
[19:49:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:50:00] juski: handy, when you're copying a shitload of huge files across disks, to know how it's getting on ;-)
[19:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:50:00] juski: so you use -g
[19:50:00] Krazylegz: Oooo, cp with status?
[19:50:00] woodwizzle: I tried apt-get install nvidida-glx=7667 but that didn't work
[19:50:00] ** Krazylegz mans **
[19:50:00] Beirdo: I just use rsync -av
[19:50:00] Beirdo: or a funky tar invocation
[19:50:00] Beirdo: depending on my mood that day
[19:51:00] juski: ok... lil' hint here... try doing apt-cache search nvidia
[19:51:00] stuarta: I like funky tar....
[19:51:00] Beirdo: then apt-cache policy packagename
[19:51:00] Beirdo: that will get the exact version number
[19:51:00] Beirdo: and list all the ones that are available from the repos
[19:52:00] juski: someone write all this down ;-)
[19:52:00] Beirdo: the logbot is
[19:54:00] Beirdo: yeah, tar is a great program.
[19:54:00] juski: nuxil: have a look at this page: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=230934 .. there's something in there you might find interesting
[19:54:00] woodwizzle: ok, but ther is still only one version of nvidia-glx
[19:55:00] woodwizzle: unless I use nvidia-glx-legacy
[19:55:00] woodwizzle: which apt informs me is broken
[19:55:00] juski: well if you run into the glvsync CPU hogging issue you can always turn it off
[19:55:00] juski: nvidia are gonna fix it 'soon'
[19:56:00] Beirdo: which means "before ATI drivers are better than ours"
[19:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:57:00] juski: I'm a bit of a whore in that respect... a fair-weather user if you like
[19:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:57:00] Beirdo: I've been using ATI drivers for 2.5 years
[19:57:00] Beirdo: they behave... mostly
[19:58:00] Beirdo: just don't ask too much of them. Don't look at them funny, and don't expect low CPU usage.
[19:58:00] juski: I'll go with whoever gets HDTV h.264 decoding first
[19:58:00] stuarta: with working drivers of course...
[19:58:00] juski: working _linux_ drivers
[19:58:00] Beirdo: getting a bit particular, aren't we?
[19:58:00] stuarta: who uses windoze anyway???
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[20:00:00] ** Beirdo glowers at his Windows laptop at work **
[20:00:00] stuarta: I had a 2hr fight with it yesterday. Wasn't happy at all....
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[20:01:00] Beirdo: 2h? that's a short fight
[20:01:00] stuarta: it was a 5min job..
[20:01:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:04:00] woodwizzle: well now X doesn't work
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[20:04:00] woodwizzle: and after removing the drivers it still doesn't work
[20:05:00] Beirdo: ya borked it?
[20:06:00] woodwizzle: yes
[20:06:00] scopeuk: cant find my 60 gigdrive :-(
[20:06:00] Beirdo: time to invest in a big bottle of your favorite booze. It's debugging time
[20:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:06:00] _willcooke_: scopeuk, down the back of the sofa?
[20:06:00] scopeuk: possibly
[20:06:00] scopeuk: ill cheack round
[20:06:00] scopeuk: have to cheack all the boxes stacked aroudn the place
[20:07:00] stuarta: Beirdo: does that make us part of ADA???
[20:07:00] scopeuk: im gonan test my ardware
[20:07:00] stuarta: Alcoholic Debuggers Anonymous...
[20:07:00] scopeuk: need to dig out the 256 stick of ram 2
[20:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:07:00] scopeuk: thats mia
[20:07:00] Beirdo: best way to debug a problem is half-pissed
[20:07:00] ** stuarta goes in search of a stiff drink... **
[20:08:00] Beirdo: even if it's just because it makes ya feel better :)
[20:08:00] scopeuk: lol its complainig nabout ram
[20:08:00] woodwizzle: any ideas
[20:09:00] ** stuarta now has a stiff drink. **
[20:09:00] ** laga has some orange juice **
[20:09:00] stuarta: It helps reduce the swearing at the computer...
[20:09:00] ** stuarta offers laga some vodka **
[20:10:00] Beirdo: have a screwdriver
[20:10:00] ** laga takes the whole bottle **
[20:11:00] stuarta: what's the other ingredient in a screwdriver??
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: Orange Juice
[20:11:00] Beirdo: OJ + vodka = screwdriver
[20:11:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:12:00] stuarta: pah!!! Stupid naming a drink with only 2 ingredients...
[20:12:00] stuarta: that's not a shot.
[20:12:00] Beirdo: yeah, who named the martini anyways?
[20:12:00] stuarta: better question, who drinks that crap...
[20:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:13:00] Beirdo: not me. gin I hate.
[20:13:00] woodwizzle: is there a way to force install a broken package?
[20:13:00] Beirdo: yes
[20:13:00] Beirdo: apt-get can force installation
[20:13:00] woodwizzle: how?
[20:13:00] stuarta: begins with — and ends with force
[20:13:00] woodwizzle: I tried -m
[20:13:00] woodwizzle: ok lemme try that
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[20:13:00] Beirdo: begins with man, ends with apt-get
[20:13:00] ** stuarta goes searching for his cluebat.... **
[20:14:00] laga: forcing is baaaaaaaaad.
[20:14:00] Beirdo: having a fux0red computer is also baaaaad
[20:14:00] stuarta: not knowing what you are doing is bad.
[20:14:00] woodwizzle: stuarta, that is not what force does
[20:15:00] woodwizzle: --force=yes is for making apt awnser yes to all the install questions, not forcing an install
[20:15:00] scopeuk: is knoppmyth about the easist instalation method?
[20:15:00] Beirdo: or you can try apt-get -f upgrade to fix what's borked
[20:15:00] Beirdo: aka --fix-broken
[20:15:00] woodwizzle: Beirdo, I don't need that
[20:16:00] woodwizzle: I need to force an install of something with a missing dependency
[20:16:00] stuarta: apt-get --help.......
[20:16:00] woodwizzle: stuarta, looked there, doesn't seem to be any force options
[20:17:00] stuarta: -f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
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[20:29:00] juski: that's my machine all nice, clean, tidy & sides replaced :)
[20:30:00] woodwizzle: -f does not work
[20:31:00] meushi: woodwizzle: you can force the install with dpkg
[20:31:00] meushi: woodwizzle: not recommended tho
[20:32:00] juski: another possibility is --ignore-missing
[20:32:00] meushi: woodwizzle: dpkg --force-depends yourpackage.deb
[20:32:00] meushi: or --ignore-depends=package_name
[20:33:00] juski: google truly is a remarkable thing
[20:33:00] juski: so is dogpile, yahoo... (etc)
[20:34:00] meushi: I still miss infind
[20:50:00] meushi: hmm, I'm seriously starting to regret upgrading the ivtv driver
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[21:10:00] phoner: anyone know why the preview pictures don't load in mythweb?
[21:13:00] scottder: Is there a setting to have shows auto-transcode after they finish?
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[21:13:00] xris: phoner: what version?
[21:14:00] xris: scottder: yes. it's called "auto transcode"
[21:14:00] phoner: latest cvs
[21:14:00] phoner: although it hasn't worked in the last few versions
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[21:15:00] xris: mythweb hasn't used cvs for months
[21:15:00] ** laga wonders if there really are people who are running mythtv from CVS ;) **
[21:15:00] phoner: me!
[21:16:00] Chutt: they've gotta be wondering 'why can't i update anymore?'
[21:16:00] xris: laga: I expect that there are, and I will continue bugging people about it when they incorrectly say cvs instead of svn.
[21:16:00] phoner: svn whatever
[21:16:00] scottder: xris: hrrm I must have missed that...where is that set?
[21:16:00] laga: Chutt: i didn't notice you took the pserver offline. well, they should have noticed then ;)
[21:16:00] xris: scottder: I think it's in the recording profile setup. but honestly, I don't remember.
[21:16:00] phoner: then why is it still cvs.mythtv.org?
[21:16:00] Chutt: because that's what the machine is named.
[21:16:00] xris: phoner: it's svn.mythtv.org, too
[21:16:00] Chutt: svn.mythtv.org works as well.
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[21:17:00] xris: phoner: anyway, pixmaps work fine in mythweb. it should now even complain when permissions are set up incorrectly.
[21:17:00] phoner: I see the files in the cache directory of mythweb
[21:17:00] phoner: can delete them and they are recreated
[21:18:00] xris: there is no more cache directory
[21:18:00] xris: wait, sorry, I guess it's still called cache. heh
[21:18:00] phoner: data/cache
[21:18:00] xris: anyway, what about them isn't showing up, then?
[21:19:00] phoner: they don't load in the webpage, just an empty spot where they should be
[21:19:00] xris: view source?
[21:19:00] xris: is there ANYTHING in that spot?
[21:19:00] phoner: yea it's in the source, no it's not a broken icon or anything, just empty
[21:21:00] phoner: should you be able to view the cache directory from a web browser?
[21:21:00] xris: yes
[21:21:00] phoner: If i try that it says unknown module was specified
[21:22:00] xris: then mod_rewrite isn't set up properly
[21:22:00] xris: make sure .htaccess has this line: "RewriteRule ^(css|data|images|js|themes|skins|[a-z_]+\.php)(/|$)  – [L]"
[21:23:00] xris: that should make sure that stuff to /data/ get mapped to the actual file, rather than hitting the php catchall
[21:24:00] laga: xris: are there plans on making mythburn an official part of mythweb?
[21:24:00] xris: laga: I don't even know what mythburn is
[21:24:00] phoner: I have that line, but it's not in quotes
[21:24:00] xris: phoner: no quotes is correct
[21:24:00] xris: then it should be working properly
[21:25:00] xris: are you running from /mythweb/ ? or from a root directory? (not that it should matter)
[21:25:00] phoner: from /mythweb
[21:25:00] xris: and .htaccess is in /mythweb, not in / ?
[21:25:00] laga: xris: so the answer is 'no' :). mythburn is basically a bunch of bash scripts that create DVDS with a frontend in mythweb that lets you select recordings to write to DVD
[21:26:00] xris: laga: probaly not. I think dvd creation from a web browser is kind of dumb.
[21:26:00] phoner: yea just mythweb, no .htaccess in /
[21:26:00] xris: phoner: odd.
[21:26:00] phoner: hehe, that's what I was thinking
[21:26:00] laga: xris: yes, it is – but it's one of the better options for dvd creation within mythtv at the moment :). well, you're right *shrug*
[21:27:00] xris: phoner: yeah, weird. I just moved mine into a subdirectory and it works fine
[21:27:00] xris: maybe remove your .htaccess and grab a new one from svn?
[21:27:00] phoner: hm, yea it is an old .htaccess
[21:28:00] xris: laga: would be better to have that built into a frontend.
[21:28:00] xris: need nuv2disk or something like that
[21:28:00] xris: I'd like to get mythstreamtv into the main module list, though.
[21:28:00] xris: with a few modifications
[21:28:00] laga: xris: i'm currently using mythburn-ui which again is a frontend for those bash scripts but integrated within mythtv :)
[21:28:00] laga: xris: that'd rock.
[21:29:00] xris: I also want to get nuvexport better integrated into mythweb
[21:29:00] xris: maybe for .20
[21:30:00] xris: phoner: did that fix it?
[21:30:00] laga: xris: that would be nice, too. might be cool to have access to the jobqueue as well.
[21:31:00] xris: laga: the new module layout for mythweb should make it a lot easier to add more stuff like that
[21:31:00] phoner: ha, yea that fixed it
[21:31:00] xris: phoner: cool
[21:31:00] phoner: I was using an old .htaccess carried over from old version
[21:31:00] laga: xris: oh, cool. maybe i should get myself a php book :)
[21:31:00] xris: laga: no. php.net is far better
[21:32:00] xris: I bought a php book, have opened it like twice.
[21:32:00] xris: the online manual is great
[21:32:00] laga: hehe. reminds me of my 'linux in a nutshell'. never really opened it.
[21:33:00] Beirdo: the book is useful for during power failures when you are BORED
[21:33:00] phoner: is there a way to get preview icons for mythvideo?
[21:33:00] laga: Beirdo: you, sir, are a geek. ;)
[21:33:00] Beirdo: your point being?
[21:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:34:00] laga: Beirdo: you should know by now that everything is say is quite pointless.
[21:34:00] laga: :)
[21:34:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:34:00] phoner: yea I got a big ups for power outtages
[21:34:00] phoner: and laptop
[21:34:00] Beirdo: I wasn't gonna say it, laga.
[21:34:00] laga: Beirdo: you're too nice. here, have a cold one. :)
[21:34:00] Beirdo: thanks
[21:34:00] ** kormoc has too many books to worry about being bored without a computer **
[21:35:00] ** Beirdo chugs **
[21:35:00] xris: phoner: the video/music stuff sucks. I keep having people offer to rewrite it(I don't use either of them)...
[21:35:00] xris: unlikely to get previews unless the backend supports it, though.
[21:35:00] phoner: I don't like the menu for mythvideo, I'd have it just the same as the recorded videos menu
[21:36:00] laga: that shouldn't be too hard...duplicate the code and change a few SQL statements? :)
[21:37:00] phoner: well, it can be a mix of formats to play the files though
[21:37:00] xris: phoner: me, too. shouldn't have accepted the patch.
[21:38:00] phoner: the mythmusic visual with the gears still crashes my frontend
[21:38:00] laga: disable it :)
[21:38:00] laga: and/or report a bug if it happens with recent SVN
[21:38:00] phoner: grr, what's the way to do that
[21:39:00] laga: phoner: somewhere in the mythmusic settings, there's a box where you can input your favourite visualisations
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[21:40:00] xris: phoner: at least you can use mythmusic. I have so many tracks that it's unusable
[21:41:00] laga: mythamarok would be nice :)
[21:42:00] phoner: my music sucks anyways
[21:42:00] xris: laga: yeah, that'd rock
[21:43:00] xris: really wish amarok would store covers in the album directories. and use the original jpg format instead of converting things to much larger png files.
[21:44:00] laga: phoner: huh? not many people say that :)
[21:44:00] phoner: I mean my music selection sucks
[21:45:00] ** xris just wishes that he could BUY half the music he listens to **
[21:46:00] xris: I'm *not* paying $27 to ship a cd from .be
[21:46:00] laga: xris: betcha the artists wish the same :)
[21:46:00] xris: laga: I'm happy to buy music from the artists I like. and I do when I can (usually direct from the artist at a concert)...
[21:47:00] xris: but I like a fair amount of obscure-for-the-US stuff that you just can't get here.. particularly two blegian groups: Urban Trad and Laïs
[21:47:00] xris: Belgian, even
[21:48:00] laga: and there are no obscure underground distributors?
[21:49:00] xris: only direct from .be
[21:49:00] xris: it's like 23 euros or something like that
[21:50:00] xris: for cd and shipping
[21:50:00] laga: ouch. well, you might get a deal if you order more than one disk
[21:50:00] xris: maybe. it's still too much
[21:51:00] phoner: I like mythstreamtv, if I could find good stations
[21:51:00] xris: huh?
[21:51:00] phoner: or mythstream I mean
[21:51:00] xris: ah, heh
[21:51:00] phoner: damn that name
[21:51:00] xris: yeah
[21:51:00] xris: want to just integrate mythstreamtv into mythweb and get it over with.
[21:51:00] xris: another thing on my .20 wishlist.
[21:51:00] xris: but the author has *never* contacted me directly about it.
[21:52:00] phoner: the thing seems pretty old
[21:52:00] xris: which one?
[21:53:00] phoner: just the options that it gives for vlc, I think could be redone
[21:54:00] xris: yeah, that's one of the conditions for my including it
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[21:55:00] phoner: I still don't understand, "video speed" does that mean it will play faster?
[21:55:00] xris: phoner: in the frontend?
[21:55:00] phoner: on the mythstreamtv plugin for mythweb
[21:56:00] xris: ah. that I don't know. I only looked at it briefly when it was first released. emailed the author and never heard back.
[21:56:00] phoner: I don't think it's change since
[21:56:00] laga: i never got it to work ;)
[21:56:00] phoner: it's a bitch
[21:56:00] laga: vlc was running, but my mplayer wouldn't connect
[21:56:00] laga: phoner: yep
[21:56:00] ole_schoola: it works(ed) sometime ago for me
[21:56:00] phoner: I have it working nicely though
[21:57:00] phoner: but the options for the stream are weird
[21:57:00] ole_schoola: i'm not back to that point yet
[21:57:00] ole_schoola: still trying to build myth with dvb
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[21:58:00] laga: i don't think mythstreamtv would work well with only 128kbit/s anyways. i could upgrade my upstream to 8xxkbit/s, would that work?
[21:59:00] phoner: I've always been limited to CPU speed, not network
[21:59:00] ole_schoola: 800 kb? that's quite alot
[21:59:00] laga: ole_schoola: i'd have to switch from adsl to cable :)
[21:59:00] phoner: I'm at 95% of a 1GHz at < 40kbit
[22:00:00] ole_schoola: laga: cable @ that speed? you sure? where you at again?
[22:00:00] laga: how much over 40 kbit/s do you go? doesn't sound like it'd look good :)
[22:00:00] laga: ole_schoola: germany
[22:01:00] phoner: actually, for ever the web, it's quite decent
[22:01:00] mik3: my cable is at 768kbps, and pushes 768 whole kilobits at any given time of the day... it's comcraptic!
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: ahh, typical US headends are configured for typ max 380
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[22:01:00] laga: hehe
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[22:02:00] ole_schoola: my brother has business class DSL 8000M/3M
[22:02:00] laga: well, our cable stuff is brand-spanking-new. in most parts of germany, the necessary infrastructure was installed last year
[22:02:00] laga: ole_schoola: wow, not bad
[22:02:00] ole_schoola: oh, it's not tech limits, it's $$$ and influence
[22:03:00] ole_schoola: really big upstream pipes should NEVER be mass marketed
[22:03:00] ole_schoola: ^^ facituos
[22:03:00] laga: yep. MPAA/RIAA would go nuts :)
[22:03:00] ole_schoola: you gotta pay big bucks for fast up stream
[22:04:00] ** meushi weeps at the mad pipes you both have **
[22:04:00] laga: i totally want that 8.200kbit/s up / 820kbit/s down pipe, but it's a bit expensive at EUR50
[22:04:00] laga: meushi: my current pipe is 1mbit/128kbit
[22:05:00] meushi: laga: capped? price?
[22:05:00] ole_schoola: try sweden, like 18 USD equivalent for craaaazy speeds
[22:06:00] laga: meushi: what's 'capped' mean? i'm actually not sure what i pay at the moment, gotta be 30–40 EUR
[22:06:00] dasOp: not really
[22:06:00] dasOp: you'll be spending around $50 for the fast lines
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[22:06:00] dasOp: I pay around $54 for mine
[22:06:00] meushi: laga: monthly transfer limit :)
[22:06:00] laga: meushi: of course not :)
[22:06:00] juski: capped usually means they limit how much you download befor they cut you off to a trickle
[22:06:00] meushi: shit
[22:06:00] ** meushi is jealous **
[22:06:00] ole_schoola: that 8000/3000 my bro has is USD110
[22:06:00] dasOp: I'm at 12/9
[22:07:00] ole_schoola: 12000/9000? where?
[22:07:00] meushi: laga: 2Mb/192k with a limit of 15GB for 47E/month here... :(
[22:07:00] dasOp: not 12000, 12mbit
[22:07:00] dasOp: stockholm, sweden
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[22:07:00] dasOp: its vdsl so its not available just everywhere
[22:07:00] dasOp: it was either 12/9 or 24/1
[22:07:00] dasOp: I didnt think long
[22:07:00] xris: I pay about $130/month for 2M/600k DSL (should be 3/768 but I'm too far from the CO) ....
[22:08:00] laga: meushi: ouch, that sucks. 100gb would be acceptable, but 15gb is almost nothing
[22:08:00] Caveman: 24Mbit/1Mbit here in Aus for AU$60 – 20Gb cap though
[22:08:00] xris: but I get voip with free calling to like 20 countries, reverse dns, static IP and permission to run whatever services on my line that I want to.
[22:08:00] laga: reverse dns? wow, cool stuff :)
[22:08:00] ole_schoola: i spoke with a swede talking of fiber-to-the-curb 100Mb connections going for chump change
[22:08:00] dasOp: aus/nz seems to have caps all over the place
[22:08:00] meushi: laga: tell me, before I was on a business line without quota for less...
[22:08:00] dasOp: I dont have any cap at all
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[22:09:00] dasOp: only thing my isp caps is the 100mbit lines
[22:09:00] laga: Caveman: what are you gonna do with a line like that with a 20gb limit?
[22:09:00] dasOp: for obvious reasons
[22:09:00] Caveman: i guess just the cost of international links we get capped muchly
[22:09:00] Caveman: laga – no much :P
[22:09:00] laga: Caveman: :)
[22:10:00] Caveman: standard is about 1.5/256 atm, but a couple of ISPs putting in own ADSL2+ infrastructure
[22:10:00] dasOp: damn cheap isps
[22:10:00] juski: it's be great to live somewhere where they're just putting networks in.. all shiny & new.. and fast :)
[22:11:00] dasOp: adsl2+ is all about downstream
[22:11:00] dasOp: which helps them with their peering deals
[22:11:00] ole_schoola: dasOp: DING!
[22:11:00] juski: that said, I'm getting upgraded to 10mbit later in the year
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[22:11:00] dasOp: ole_schoola: DONG?
[22:12:00] ole_schoola: dsOp: you get the gold star
[22:12:00] Caveman: what sort of download limits do you guys have and where u live?
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[22:12:00] dasOp: sweden, none
[22:13:00] ole_schoola: 6k/340 for USD55
[22:13:00] ole_schoola: no limits
[22:13:00] Caveman: christ, we get shaped back to 64kbit after 20Gb limit
[22:13:00] ole_schoola: Comcast, the lock down certain ports, not a true ISP
[22:13:00] Caveman: i'm on the lowest though, can get upto about 80Gb for $100+
[22:14:00] dasOp: I've got port25 blocked
[22:14:00] ole_schoola: hell, i move 20 Gb in just a few days
[22:14:00] dasOp: I used to have bbb-100mbit
[22:14:00] dasOp: and that was limited at 300gb per month
[22:14:00] dasOp: just to discourage the things one could imagine doing with a 100mbit connection
[22:15:00] ole_schoola: i used to work at a major telco R&D with triple redundant OC-3
[22:15:00] ole_schoola: but then, the transport cost almost nothing to them
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[22:15:00] Caveman: curse our being so far from everything :)
[22:15:00] mik3: ole_schoola, they must do that only in certain areas.. my comcast is entirely unrestricted
[22:16:00] ole_schoola: port 80 open?
[22:16:00] mik3: absolutely
[22:16:00] mik3: use it all the time
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[22:16:00] mik3: 25 as well
[22:16:00] ole_schoola: figures, just like the "freebie" unencrypted QAM chanels (ESPN, INHD, etc..)
[22:17:00] ole_schoola: they're shutting those in select areas now
[22:17:00] juski: just sacked my bank :-D
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[22:18:00] ole_schoola: must switch soon, finally need to use a production apache box for work crap
[22:18:00] ole_schoola: so i may as well throw up an asterisk box then
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[22:20:00] juski: woohoo.. been accepted at my new bank.. bye bye unethical profiteering bastards :)
[22:21:00] dasOp: you found an oxymoron?
[22:21:00] Caveman: arn't all banks unethical profiteering bastards!
[22:21:00] phoner: there are banks that turn people down?
[22:21:00] dasOp: that was my point :P
[22:21:00] juski: yup
[22:21:00] juski: some are more ethical than others
[22:22:00] dasOp: yeah, who said hell holds an even temperature? :P
[22:22:00] juski: current bank was charging me a monthly fee just for having an account with money in it
[22:22:00] juski: then they publish outrageous profits year in, year out
[22:22:00] dasOp: uh
[22:22:00] dasOp: never heard of that
[22:23:00] dasOp: I just pay for my debit card
[22:23:00] juski: they can afford samuel l jackson in their ads too
[22:23:00] dasOp: I'll bet he's not actually using that bank
[22:23:00] juski: course not
[22:23:00] phoner: I thought they got rid of all banking fees years ago
[22:24:00] juski: nah.. banks now charge for 'extras' that people never tend to use
[22:24:00] Chutt: my bank doesn't charge me anything for anything
[22:24:00] phoner: yea I'd never pay for anything, hell they pay me
[22:24:00] dasOp: I pay a total of $1 every month for a debit card and the web based access to just about anything
[22:25:00] phoner: damn, I'd drop that bank quick
[22:25:00] dasOp: I would, if I was willing to move to a country where the situation is different :P
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[22:26:00] dasOp: I dont mind that damn dollar. the service is excellent, they've got an office in just about every town here and the web page works great
[22:26:00] phoner: what country is that?
[22:26:00] dasOp: sweden
[22:27:00] dasOp: and they gave me a sweet deal on my loans as well
[22:27:00] phoner: I bet they got some hot teller girls in sweden
[22:27:00] dasOp: perhaps they do
[22:27:00] dasOp: I havent been to an office in ages
[22:27:00] phoner: I'd never use the web page
[22:27:00] dasOp: why not?
[22:28:00] dasOp: oh
[22:28:00] phoner: checkout the sweedish girls
[22:28:00] dasOp: haha
[22:28:00] juski: tellers? do they still have them? like in real building where you can come face to face with a human being?
[22:28:00] dasOp: yeah, in some places :P
[22:28:00] meushi: juski: depends of your definition of human being
[22:28:00] juski: like the local branch hasn't been closed & isn't now a trendy wine bar??
[22:28:00] phoner: if it weren't for collage aged tellers, there wouldn't be a reason to visit a bank
[22:29:00] dasOp: if you want the collage aged tellers, why not just go grab a cup of coffee somewhere instead of going to a bank?
[22:30:00] phoner: the money makes the look rich
[22:30:00] phoner: them
[22:30:00] dasOp: I visited my bank when I switched to them and when I got the loans approved
[22:30:00] dasOp: thats about it
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[22:30:00] dasOp: otherwise I just call my contact like everyone else under the age of 50 :P
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[22:48:00] sw_bluntman: A while back I saw a package that goes with mythweb and allows you to stream recorded programs over the web. Can't find it now. Could someone tell me what it is called?
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[22:53:00] beau: dudes and girls
[22:53:00] beau: anyone know how to make my mythtv use alsa?
[22:54:00] phoner: it's called mythstreamtv
[22:55:00] beau: k..
[22:55:00] phoner: not to be confused with mythstream, which allows you to listen to internet streaming
[22:55:00] beau: i use fedora core
[22:55:00] kormoc: beau, did you read the mythtv docs?
[22:55:00] beau: yea
[22:55:00] beau: not really helping me though
[22:55:00] kormoc: and what they said didn't work?
[22:55:00] beau: ive read several docs
[22:55:00] beau: yea
[22:55:00] beau: basically
[22:56:00] beau: one trouble ive had is i can never change /dev/dsp as the audio device
[22:56:00] kormoc: beau, you sure your version of mythtv was compiled with alsa support?
[22:56:00] beau: and i have no idea why, cos i know alsa is enabled for my myth setup and i know alsa is working cos it works in xmms
[22:56:00] beau: yep
[22:56:00] beau: its the fedora packages, rpm packages built with alsa support
[22:57:00] sw_bluntman: phoner: TY
[22:57:00] kormoc: I didn't know fedora packaged myth
[22:57:00] xpis: Using /dev/dsp for sound will work fine with the oss emulation libraries. There is no real advantage to having full rpm support.
[22:57:00] xpis: er.. full alsa support
[22:57:00] beau: nah, its not u have to get it from ATRpms
[22:58:00] beau: k
[22:58:00] beau: hmm
[22:58:00] beau: yea
[22:58:00] kormoc: xpis, sure there is, dmix, as well as other alsa plugins don't always work with oss emulation
[22:58:00] beau: i muted the line in and done all that stuff but i couldnt hear any audio when i played it
[22:58:00] xpis: The atrpms distribution is filled with bugs.
[22:58:00] beau: yea
[22:58:00] xpis: The packages don't play nicely together.
[22:58:00] xpis: I'd suggest compiling.
[22:58:00] beau: yea, i didnt use any bleeding packages though
[22:58:00] meushi: good night
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[22:59:00] beau: is it easy u think to compile myth with like, extra plugins
[22:59:00] beau: i compiled it once before on mandriva, didnt go very well lol
[23:00:00] beau: mainly cos im not that flash with linux, i know enough to do a lot of things though
[23:00:00] xpis: When I tried to use the x86_64 atrpms packages, I got *both* i386 and x86_64 libraries. This really messed things up.
[23:00:00] beau: what distribution did u use?
[23:00:00] xpis: fedora
[23:00:00] beau: hmm thats odd
[23:01:00] kormoc: xpis, you don't have a /lib32 directory?
[23:01:00] xpis: The dependencies were all screwed up. In addition, 0.18.1 has quite a few v4l2 bugs... so I just compiled the latest svn code.
[23:01:00] xpis: (which I'm using now)
[23:02:00] beau: yea
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[23:02:00] xpis: Also, if you are using packages, you'll have to wait awhile for 0.19 when it's released.
[23:02:00] beau: have any of u guys tried to use the xbox as a frontend?
[23:02:00] xpis: If you compile from source, you can get it in about 4 hours.
[23:02:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:03:00] kormoc: 4 hours seems awefully long.
[23:03:00] xpis: to compile.
[23:03:00] beau: its a big program
[23:03:00] kormoc: it takes a lot less then that for myself.
[23:03:00] beau: depends on the speed of ur puter n that
[23:03:00] xpis: On my machine, it takes about 2 hours. I have a Sempron 2800+.
[23:03:00] kormoc: about 15 minutes on my 2.13 ghz celeron
[23:03:00] xpis: (64 bit)
[23:04:00] kormoc: about 5 minutes on my p-d 820 64 bit
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[23:04:00] beau: so yea.....anyone had any experience with the xbox as a frontend? if u need i can provide the py extensions so u can all mess with it lol
[23:04:00] xpis: kormoc: are you sure you are compiling the whole thing?
[23:04:00] kormoc: xpis, yup
[23:04:00] kormoc: xpis, gentoo user, I compile the entire thing all the time.
[23:04:00] xpis: kormoc: I only compile xorg, v4l drivers, and mythtv.
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[23:06:00] kormoc: ooh, wait a sec, I have ccache...
[23:06:00] kormoc: no wonder it's way different
[23:06:00] ** kormoc peers at pre ccache speeds **
[23:07:00] beau: my audio problem: possible modprobe.conf im testing it out
[23:07:00] beau: let u know, in case more lamers like me end up in here lol
[23:07:00] Chutt: my machine compiles myth from scratch, without ccache, in 6 minutes.
[23:07:00] dtm: Chutt: :-o
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[23:08:00] kormoc: looks like right around 7 for the first emerge without ccache on the 64 bit proc
[23:08:00] xpis: Chutt: just what are you compiling on?
[23:08:00] Chutt: you cleared the ccache?
[23:08:00] Chutt: xpis, 4400+
[23:08:00] stuarta: chutt: not everyone has a duel core athlon...
[23:09:00] Chutt: but it's the amount of ram you have that tends to _really_ slow compiling down.
[23:09:00] kormoc: Chutt, gentoo logs all the emerges into /var/log/emerge.log, with timestamps, so I just pulled up the first compile I did, and calculated the trom from the end timstamp – start timestamp
[23:09:00] ** stuarta makes note to self "get that extra ram..." **
[23:10:00] xpis: Chutt: Do you have 4 framegrabbers?
[23:10:00] Chutt: no?
[23:10:00] xpis: Chutt: then why such high specs?
[23:11:00] Chutt: because this is my dev box?
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[23:11:00] xpis: Chutt: ah.. so that's not the one you have sitting by your tv.
[23:11:00] Chutt: of course not
[23:11:00] Chutt: why would i compile on that machine?
[23:13:00] xpis: Chutt: If mythtv supported realtime xvid encoding, then having a dual core athlon as a backend might not be such a bad idea.
[23:13:00] Chutt: err
[23:13:00] Chutt: it does
[23:14:00] xpis: msmpeg != xvid
[23:14:00] Chutt: it's not doing msmpeg.
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[23:14:00] xpis: It's using ffmpeg..
[23:14:00] Chutt: mpeg4
[23:14:00] Chutt: same exact thing as xvid.
[23:15:00] Chutt: same exact thing as divx.
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[23:15:00] xpis: But without the extensions.
[23:15:00] Chutt: what extensions?
[23:15:00] xpis: Xvid supports quite a few features.
[23:15:00] tiger: Hey there anyone can give me info on mythconverg.videosource table I need to create it manually as mythfilldatabase combined with mythtv-setup doesnt create it as mythtv-setup returns am error ""
[23:15:00] Chutt: so does ffmpeg.
[23:15:00] Arkkis: umm, doesnt myth use nuppelvideo ? I mean I'm currently converting a show to xvid, to get it to take smaller space and work on windows
[23:15:00] juski: xpis I think you mean that myth is unencumbered by the avi file container :-)
[23:16:00] dasOp: tiger: read the docs on sending mc.sql to mysql
[23:16:00] jonase: whats the keyboard command to change between f.eks "Television" "Camera" "s-video"?
[23:16:00] tiger: that doesnt create anything but the db
[23:16:00] dasOp: tiger: mythfilldatabase doesnt create the database and its tables, it *fills* them :)
[23:17:00] tiger: I have done all that
[23:17:00] xpis: Chutt: doing high quality xvid encoding takes up quite a bit more processor time then ffmpeg mpeg4 encoding.
[23:17:00] Arkkis: xpis, you can say that again
[23:17:00] Chutt: err
[23:17:00] Chutt: with the same options enabled?
[23:17:00] Chutt: i highly doubt that
[23:17:00] jams: jonase- if you have a src attached to the input it's either c or y. The file keys.txt has all the keyboard commands
[23:17:00] Chutt: and when _exactly_ did 'amount of processor time' equate to quality?
[23:18:00] tiger: My problem is that myth-setup returns No error type from QSqlError? Strange... when trying to configure source
[23:18:00] Arkkis: (I mean about taking time to convert to xvid, it seems to take quadruple the time of the show on my machine to export to xvid .avi)
[23:19:00] Arkkis: (I do not know much about the video stuff, but if you can share a way to get mythtv doing this thing faster, I'm all ears)
[23:19:00] tiger: My problem is that myth-setup returns this errormsg "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." when I trying to configure source
[23:19:00] juski: erm.. so google for the error, tiger. It's pretty common
[23:19:00] xpis: Chutt: The xvid codec is generally considered superior to ffmpeg's.
[23:19:00] Chutt: it's generally considered about the same.
[23:19:00] jonase: jams: ok, but i try to connect a webcam here, should i add a videosource to it?
[23:20:00] tiger: Yeah but google doesnt provide the answer
[23:20:00] Chutt: it's all mpeg4.
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[23:20:00] tiger: I looked alreaqdy
[23:20:00] tiger: Do you have an url ill happy jump there
[23:20:00] SqWaw: I have a strange problem... my video playback is very skippy and the audio speeds up and slows down sparatically... || (juski) SqWaw': 1st class symptom of something wrong, that.. like wrong/no video driver, no DMA.. too little CPU... etc etc etc
[23:20:00] SqWaw: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[23:20:00] xris: xpis: ffmpeg can do xvid
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[23:21:00] xris: though I agree that ffmpeg's output isn't as good as say transcode's..
[23:21:00] jonase: jams: when i type c or y nothing happents other then it "hangs" for 1 sec
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[23:21:00] xpis: Chutt: Not all mpeg4 implementations are created equal.
[23:23:00] xpis: Chutt: See a comparison: http://www.compression.ru/video/codec_compari . . . ison_eng.pdf (warning, huge pdf)
[23:23:00] juski: tiger: do you get the error as soon as you start mythtv-setup or just during during to configure a video source?
[23:24:00] juski: if it's the first, you're probably missing qt-MySQL
[23:24:00] xpis: Chutt: the point is, msmpeg4 results in about 30% usage of my Sempron 2800+ in my backend. Xvid with default settings takes hours to transcode a short program.
[23:25:00] juski: just get a bigger hdd & quit whining ;)
[23:25:00] xpis: Chutt: live mpeg2, for comparison, is about 40%.
[23:25:00] Chutt: why are you comparing 'msmpeg4'?
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[23:25:00] xpis: Chutt: whatever the name of the mpeg4 codec in ffmpeg is.
[23:25:00] Chutt: and the defaults in myth which are set so as to reduce cpu?
[23:26:00] Arkkis: hey, about encoding video, is there any way to share the load between computers on lan?
[23:26:00] tiger: juski I get therror at setup of source only!
[23:26:00] tiger: I have added my card happily to the db
[23:26:00] Chutt: that pdf doesn't have ffmpeg in there at all
[23:26:00] Chutt: so, uh...
[23:26:00] Chutt: not really sure what you're going on about
[23:26:00] juski: hours to transcode to mpeg4 on a 2800+? get your money back. on my xp2000 box it's almost realtime
[23:26:00] xris: juski: linux encoders SUCK
[23:27:00] xris: dunno why no one fixes them
[23:27:00] juski: true... I had a huge DV file I needed to mpeg, and ffmpeg couldn't hack it
[23:27:00] xpis: juski: you are obviously using different encoder settings
[23:27:00] juski: xpis: I set it to great quality... looks good to me
[23:28:00] tiger: juski: qt-mysql is all there and workinf
[23:28:00] tiger: juski: qt-mysql is all there and working
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[23:28:00] juski: tiger: in that case I have no idea
[23:29:00] juski: right I'm off... looking forward to a weekend away :)
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[23:29:00] tiger: juski: anywhere where i can see the layout/ definition of that table so I can create it myself and see if that gets me further?
[23:31:00] tiger: gone :-)
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[23:33:00] xpis: Chutt: Yes, all mpeg4 encodings look similar – it's just that some encoders are marginally better. If plain mpeg4 was good enough for everyone, how does divx make money? Anyway... when H.264 is supported by myth.. then the mega processors will be handy. Try transcoding HD mpeg2 into that.
[23:33:00] Chutt: how does divx make money?
[23:33:00] Chutt: by licensing their logo to hardware manufacturers
[23:33:00] xpis: By selling ad-free versions of its windows codec.
[23:33:00] Chutt: i doubt they make jack shit off their sales to individual users.
[23:33:00] xpis: for $30 a pap.
[23:33:00] xpis: *pop
[23:34:00] Chutt: ok, so, that'll net a few hundred grand a year.
[23:34:00] Chutt: that's not worth staying in business over.
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[23:38:00] xpis: And speaking of codecs.. when is myth going to support something other than patent-encumbered lame?
[23:39:00] xpis: (for those of us unfortunate enough to be in countries where software patents are legal)
[23:40:00] Beirdo: when are you gonna make a patch to do it?
[23:40:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:40:00] Chutt: when someone supplies a patch to do so?
[23:40:00] Chutt: and, uh
[23:40:00] Chutt: might as well rip out anything mpeg
[23:40:00] Chutt: so that'll leave you with... raw video!
[23:40:00] Beirdo: yeehaw
[23:40:00] xpis: or jpeg files, the default video encoding method.
[23:40:00] Beirdo: or you can just invent your own video codec
[23:41:00] Chutt: jpeg's covered
[23:41:00] Chutt: oh, so's the epg
[23:41:00] Chutt: gotta remove that as well
[23:41:00] xpis: Or there's theora.
[23:41:00] Beirdo: jpegs are patent-encumbered too, no?
[23:41:00] xpis: The jpeg patent was thrown out.
[23:41:00] Chutt: if you seriously think theora's not patent encumbered...
[23:41:00] xpis: Theora is patent encumbered – but on3 licensed the patents to theora to use for any reason.
[23:41:00] Chutt: they don't have all the patents
[23:42:00] xpis: Then how do they sell their own codecs?
[23:42:00] Chutt: same way everyone else does
[23:42:00] Chutt: hope they don't get sued
[23:42:00] Chutt: last i checked, theora was utter crap, too
[23:43:00] Chutt: extremely slow, horribly designed container format
[23:43:00] Chutt: oh, and extremely slow =)
[23:43:00] xpis: Yes, it does suffer from slowness.
[23:43:00] Chutt: you'd have to stuff it in another container, since ogg doesn't work for live recording of audio and video
[23:44:00] Chutt: without doing nasty things to compensate for it's crappiness
[23:45:00] xpis: Chutt: well, what's so wrong with doing a few "nasty things"?
[23:45:00] rjune: chutt is very opinionated
[23:45:00] Beirdo: Chutt has the right to be opinionated
[23:45:00] Beirdo: it comes with knowing what you are talking about
[23:46:00] rjune: I would say theora is young. vorbis wasn't so great at first either.
[23:46:00] xpis: Theora is still in alpha status. It hasn't been optimized.
[23:46:00] Chutt: the container isn't young
[23:46:00] Chutt: alpha status?
[23:46:00] Chutt: after how many _years_?
[23:47:00] Chutt: hell, the very first thing they did was throw out all the mmx optimization they got from on2.
[23:47:00] rjune: IIRC theora is the codec, Ogg is the container
[23:47:00] Chutt: yes, it is.
[23:48:00] Chutt: theora alpha 2 was released in december of 2002.
[23:48:00] rjune: yes it is as in I am correct?
[23:49:00] Chutt: about what the names are, sure
[23:49:00] rjune: heh
[23:49:00] Chutt: it's certainly not a young codec, though
[23:49:00] Chutt: it was virtually obsolete when on2 gave it to the vorbis people
[23:49:00] Chutt: 3 years ago :p
[23:49:00] rjune: ok.
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[23:53:00] Yellow-Snow: ohla
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[23:54:00] ** Beirdo frowns at Puzzle Pirates... patch already, you lousy game **
[23:54:00] Beirdo: I guess I'll just have to pay more attention to TV
[23:54:00] Beirdo: Java games are such a joy
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: correction
[23:55:00] scottder: Java and joy have no place in the same sentence
[23:55:00] scottder: :)
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: java games on a phone in class is such a joy
[23:55:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: <3 my 500$ phone
[23:55:00] Beirdo: well, one thing it has going for it... Java is quite cross-platform
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: can't go wrong learning java eh?
[23:55:00] Beirdo: ick
[23:55:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:55:00] Beirdo: I'll stick to C and C++
[23:56:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[23:56:00] Arkkis: applets suck, and the gui librarys have darn ugly components, other than that java is good imo
[23:56:00] Beirdo: and assembly and Ada
[23:56:00] Arkkis: eclipse rocks
[23:56:00] ** stuarta disagrees... **
[23:57:00] Arkkis: stuarta, disagree, with what?
[23:57:00] Beirdo: I think I might just update my svn tonight
[23:57:00] stuarta: eclipse, has the most horribly organised interface i've seen since MS software....
[23:57:00] Beirdo: oooh. patching...
[23:58:00] Arkkis: uhm, have you really tried to use it? and compare it to other opensource cross platform editors?
[23:58:00] Beirdo: vi
[23:58:00] Beirdo: all the cross platform editor I need
[23:58:00] stuarta: quite like anjuta
[23:58:00] Arkkis: stuarta, what's your tool of choise?
[23:58:00] stuarta: and vi
[23:59:00] Beirdo: vim vim vim :)
[23:59:00] stuarta: fte has its moments.
[23:59:00] rjune: vim vim vim vim
[23:59:00] stuarta: vim^5
[23:59:00] GreyFoxx: vim here as well
[23:59:00] Beirdo: can't go wrong learning vi and Makefiles :)
[23:59:00] GreyFoxx: vim+ctags
[23:59:00] Beirdo: been a while since I used ctags
[23:59:00] Beirdo: it's pretty nice though if I remember right

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