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Monday, January 23rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] juski: only ever noticed the one before
[00:00:00] nasa: juski: moved file, rebooted — nada.
[00:00:00] juski: :-/
[00:00:00] nasa: :{
[00:00:00] juski: nasa: maybe myth has been compiled without lirc support built in
[00:00:00] GreyFoxx: Juski ps/kernel never use to show individual threads but that behaviour has changed :)
[00:00:00] juski: heh
[00:01:00] nasa: that's why I have irxevent running...
[00:01:00] juski: nasa: if you've got mythtv binaries, then it _should_ have lirc compiled in
[00:01:00] juski: nasa: man irxevent
[00:05:00] ** juski listens to a FatboySlim live set **
[00:06:00] iggy: GreyFoxx: you sure? I see that 10M is shared, I thought the rest was per thread/process
[00:12:00] juski: put it this way.. is it working? is your hard drive doing overtime cos the system is swapping like crazy?
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: iggy: How much ram does free say is in use, and how much is in cache or buffers
[00:14:00] Axios: is teletext possible with mythtv?
[00:14:00] Axios: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext
[00:14:00] Axios: I've heard it isn't very big in the US, but in europe its pretty used
[00:15:00] Axios: especially in Scandinavia (thats where Im from ;))
[00:15:00] juski: it's still a throwback to the mid to late 70s though
[00:15:00] juski: should all be about MHEG now ;)
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[00:17:00] juski: I think there's a teletext/subtitles patch in SVN, but your tuner needs to support VBI for it to work.. and it doesn't work yet on some PVR cards
[00:17:00] Axios: but is it possible to view teletext with mythtv?
[00:17:00] Axios: ok
[00:18:00] juski: if it's been committed it could be out in 0.19
[00:18:00] Axios: nice
[00:18:00] juski: search the dev ML
[00:18:00] Axios: I dont need it right now
[00:18:00] Axios: I was just wondering
[00:19:00] Axios: it is pretty outdated, but there arent any alternative, as far as i know
[00:20:00] Axios: on the channels I watch, that is
[00:20:00] juski: ahh
[00:20:00] juski: with DVB you can get MHEG.. like a webpage with video on your TV over the air
[00:20:00] Axios: nice
[00:20:00] juski: they can even do simple games with that
[00:20:00] Axios: ;)
[00:21:00] nasa: juski: http://pastebin.com/518307 has my lircrc file — which is seen (I run irxevent from terminal and can see output)
[00:21:00] juski: some channels even use it for access control.. very flimsy PPV protection
[00:22:00] juski: nasa: I don't know how to use irxevent myself
[00:22:00] juski: might be easier just to build mythtv with native lirc support
[00:22:00] Axios: Digital tv isnt very big yet in Denmark
[00:22:00] nasa: oh, my bad.
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[00:23:00] Axios: thats most of the problem, but with all of these LCD tv's being sold, they are gonna have to shift from analog to digital
[00:24:00] JoeyJoeJo: I'm having a problem with my backend. It's local ip address changed from 192.168.2.31 to 192.168.0.6, and now I'm getting errors of things trying to connect to the old ip address.
[00:24:00] JoeyJoeJo: how do I tell mythtv to use my new ip address? I'm using svn if it matters
[00:25:00] juski: Axios: lots of people in the UK have bought 'HD ready' TVs, but we've not even got HD yet.. and there's every likelihood their TVs might not work with the 1st HDTV receivers on the market
[00:28:00] juski: Axios: reading from the ML I'm not entirely sure the teletext stuff would work for anything more than subtitles
[00:29:00] xpis: Is mythtv supposed to automatically save the vbi data in the nuv file?
[00:29:00] xpis: (or at least the captions part of it)
[00:30:00] juski: no idea
[00:30:00] juski: probably does for DVB recordings
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[00:31:00] FunkyELF: in Gentoo, some of the Myth packages are 0.18.1 and some are 0.19_pre8642 ... right now I'm on 0.18.1. If I upgrade MythTV to 0.19_pre8642 and MythMusic is only available in 0.18.1 will it break?
[00:32:00] xpis: Currently, captions are not working properly.
[00:33:00] juski: FunkyELF: yeah mythmusic will break if you can't get an SVN ebuild for it
[00:33:00] xpis: FunkyELF: You might want to just compile from svn rather than use that package
[00:33:00] juski: which will be a shame, because it's been vastly improved
[00:33:00] xpis: FunkyELF: Just checkout mythtv and mythplugins from svn.
[00:34:00] xpis: FunkyELF: You'll get all the latest features (more than 8642) and mythmusic.
[00:34:00] xpis: FunkyELF: Since a release is nearing, newer builds should be more stable.
[00:34:00] FunkyELF: xpis, and then everything will work?
[00:35:00] xpis: FunkyELF: yep
[00:35:00] FunkyELF: well...since a release is nearing, maybe I'll just wait for that
[00:35:00] FunkyELF: xpis, is it hard to upgrade to a different version? Are there scripts to run against the database if there were any changes?
[00:35:00] xpis: FunkyELF: I don't know when it will be released though. You can wait if you want, but it may be awhile.
[00:36:00] GreyFoxx: last estimate was ~1 week
[00:36:00] FunkyELF: NICE
[00:36:00] juski: last couple of releases it took a wee while for the gentoo ebuilds to get up to speed, but it was well worth the waiting
[00:37:00] FunkyELF: i can't wait....but how abot upgrading? I'm sure there were database changes. Will I lose everything or are there scripts in place for upgrading from 0.18.1 to the next release ?
[00:37:00] GreyFoxx: It's automatic
[00:37:00] GreyFoxx: but it's ALWAYS a smart idea to back up your database. Whether upgrading or not
[00:38:00] xpis: FunkyELF: The latest svn builds are MUCH better than 0.18.1. It is much more stable, and there are much more features.
[00:38:00] juski: smart idea to back up your DB every night for the amount of time it takes to set up
[00:38:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[00:38:00] FunkyELF: hrm....that just inspired me
[00:38:00] juski: I beg to differ
[00:38:00] GreyFoxx: I have a script that backs up and compresses every night, keeping 10 days of backups
[00:38:00] juski: on my ubuntu box 0.18 runs just fine
[00:38:00] juski: but SVN is awful on it
[00:38:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, would you mind sharring?
[00:39:00] GreyFoxx: already do
[00:39:00] FunkyELF: juski, what kind of video card do you have?
[00:39:00] GreyFoxx: www.phaze.org/mythtv/
[00:39:00] GreyFoxx: backupblah blah.gz
[00:39:00] juski: FunkyElf: 3 DVB-T tuners & a PVR150
[00:39:00] FunkyELF: I'm thinkiing about making another front-end box and I was thinking about ubuntu
[00:39:00] GreyFoxx: just put the script somewhere, make a directory for the dumps to go and edit the values at the top of the swcrupt
[00:40:00] xpis: juski: 0.18.1 doesn't like when v4l2 calls fail to properly respond to calls. The latest SVN is much more tolerant.
[00:40:00] juski: xpis: the latest SVN still hogs all my CPU
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[00:40:00] juski: can't playback MPEG2 without major stutterring
[00:40:00] xpis: juski: many people are using it..
[00:40:00] GreyFoxx: the eit stuff chewing it up ?
[00:41:00] juski: dunno what it is
[00:41:00] juski: not so sure its that on its own
[00:41:00] defaultro: justi, stuttering?
[00:41:00] GreyFoxx: well , how high is it even when not recording/playing back ?
[00:41:00] juski: get loads of prebuffering pauses
[00:41:00] juski: GreyFoxx: tends to be around 10%, then spikes to 90% when the EIT stuff kicks in
[00:41:00] defaultro: it only happens to me when I start watching a recording, but once I pause, and play it again, it goes away
[00:41:00] xpis: btw, does anyone with a framegrabber device have captions functioning? When I turn captions on during playback, I get nothing.
[00:41:00] GreyFoxx: juski: try my patches
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: specifically the eitcache patch
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[00:42:00] juski: was gonna do, but if they're not gonna be in 0.19 I can't see myself upgrading
[00:42:00] defaultro: i have seen other issues like the channel info, when I display other channel numbers, the program behind gets stutter
[00:42:00] defaultro: i didn't see it in 0.18.2
[00:43:00] defaultro: but i like the CC feature in .19
[00:43:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, I can record both at the same time now on my airp2c and fusion lite
[00:44:00] defaultro: I think Cardoe is also getting that card too
[00:44:00] defaultro: btw, M Krufky told me that this card can also do analog like PVR150. I just don't know how to set it in mythtv
[00:45:00] juski: problem is, I get the prebuffering pauses a lot even when I disable EIT scanning
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[00:45:00] defaultro: could it be poor signal?
[00:45:00] juski: and I know it's caused by changes in SVN, cos the same stuff works great in 0.18 from binary packages
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[00:46:00] defaultro: ok
[00:46:00] juski: unless I'm compiling it wrong
[00:46:00] juski: there's always that
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[00:46:00] juski: should I be using proc-opts or something?
[00:47:00] juski: don't know _anything_ about CPU optimising code
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[00:48:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, sql': Operation not permitted know what that might be?
[00:48:00] Kamy: I checked keys.txt but can't find anything related to this, when using the web browser in Information Center, if I type letter M, it brings up the menu, how do I get around this?
[00:49:00] juski: Kamy: I think mythbrowser is only designed to use sites you put in there.. not really for surfing
[00:49:00] juski: for displaying sites more than anything else
[00:50:00] Kamy: bummer, I want to use my logon to use some of the tols at dslreports.com
[00:50:00] Kamy: tools that is
[00:51:00] Kamy: Guess, I'll look for a port scanner that doesn't require a log in :)
[00:51:00] juski: so, any tips on getting rid of the prebuffering pauses? it'd be usable if it weren't for that
[00:52:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, ahh, I see what it was....that was left over from the line above. Why should this be chowned to root:root ?
[00:52:00] juski: all I did running .configure was enable the different features.. that should be enough shouldn't it?
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[00:55:00] ginvent: Anyone having issues with IRblaster... I can't get it to work with my DSS now. I used to be able too in R16.
[00:55:00] defaultro: are you familiar with this error guys in mythbackend? AFD Error: Unknown decoding error
[00:55:00] ginvent: I get SMP errors... but I think it is a timing error.
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[00:57:00] juski: GreyFoxx: apart from the EIT stuff is there anything else that'd be causing a slowdown? I ran mythbackend with the -v eit option to make sure it wasn't going for EIT data (which it wasn't) but I still got the start/stop playback
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[00:58:00] Goose-Npa: hello
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[01:09:00] shodan: is there a reason why changing any setting in the videomanager takes 31 seconds with the client and sql server being different computer both with cpu around athlon 2000s and otherwise completely idle ?
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[01:13:00] GreyFoxx: certainly not a good reason :)
[01:13:00] Kamy: mythbrowser has stopped responding, can I use putty to kill the frontend to avoid a hard boot?
[01:13:00] GreyFoxx: my updates happen basically instantly
[01:13:00] GreyFoxx: kamy sure you can
[01:13:00] Goose-Npa: when i click on a video to watch in mythtv it opens up the video with the volume al the way down. Im using xine
[01:13:00] Goose-Npa: any ideas how to set the default audio level?
[01:14:00] Kamy: Thanks GreyFoxx  :)
[01:14:00] Kamy: ummmm, whats the command <sheepish grin>
[01:14:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, could it be the number of entries ? I have 6809
[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: Goose-Npa: check the xine docs?
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[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: it still shouldn't take that long.
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: Kamy: learn about the kill command :) or killall :)
[01:15:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, my mythbackend is down (non-existant) does it try to query it while interacting with the mysql db ?
[01:16:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[01:16:00] GreyFoxx: not for mythvideo
[01:17:00] Kamy: GreyFoxx: Thanks for the tip, I'll go do that now ;)
[01:17:00] Kamy: Damn, sometimes linux makes too much sense
[01:17:00] juski: right – powered up the box with SVN on it
[01:17:00] shodan: any idea where I should start looking for the root of this problem ? I had this problem before , I wiped the database clean reinstalled linux and mythtv on all the boxes and it's exactly the same as before :\
[01:18:00] GreyFoxx: I'd check the sql logs to see exactly what happens when you make an up
[01:18:00] GreyFoxx: then look there
[01:18:00] GreyFoxx: maybe something needs to be indexed, still 31 seconds seems slow
[01:19:00] shodan: could it be some hostname resolving problem ? (even though my hosts file are probably the way they should be)
[01:21:00] juski: hmm could the slowdown be anything to do with having a VNC client connected?
[01:22:00] juski: yes! it's better but not perfect
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: nah, vnc wouldn't do it
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: I'd investigate the sql queries
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: turn on logging
[01:23:00] GreyFoxx: and slow-query logs as well
[01:24:00] juski: mythbackend is taking 40%, mythfrontend with livetv is taking 40+ percent, and this is with EIT disabled
[01:24:00] GreyFoxx: wow, 40% and you are using dvb ? That's really high
[01:24:00] GreyFoxx: dma not enabled to your drives ?
[01:25:00] juski: yes it is
[01:25:00] juski: same config as when it ran 0.18
[01:25:00] shodan: do you know what is the config option for that ? there are no comments about log verbosity in the my.cnf.sample and the logs I have right now only talk about the server turning on and off (downloading mysql's manual now)
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[01:26:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: There is no verbosity level. It's on or off :)
[01:26:00] GreyFoxx: log-slow-queries=SlowQuery.log
[01:26:00] GreyFoxx: That turns logs queries that take more than a couple second
[01:26:00] GreyFoxx: you can change the default . I havemine set to 1 second
[01:27:00] GreyFoxx: and just "log" to make it log all sql queries
[01:27:00] juski: GreyFoxx: got 27MB/sec with hdparm -t, so it aint that
[01:27:00] GreyFoxx: the logs will be located whereever your sql var directory is
[01:28:00] juski: wait a fscking sec.. EIT is still running
[01:31:00] juski: I disabled it in the video sources page though.. changed the grabber to uk_rt and unchecked the 'use EIT' box
[01:31:00] juski: just to make sure I've unset useonair guide for every channel
[01:32:00] Kamy: GreyFoxx: Check this out...
[01:32:00] Kamy: root@mythtv:/# pgrep mythbrowser
[01:32:00] Kamy: 6860
[01:32:00] Kamy: root@mythtv:/# kill 6860
[01:32:00] Kamy: Thanks much for the pointer ;)
[01:34:00] juski: www.pastebin.com/518409
[01:34:00] Kamy: oh yea, I learned about the pgrep command while researching kill and killall  :)
[01:36:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, I get no match , do I have to set long_query_time ?
[01:38:00] GreyFoxx: shodan go ahead and set it to 1
[01:38:00] GreyFoxx: juski: did you restart mythbackend after changing those settings just in case ?
[01:39:00] ** GreyFoxx starts the process of turning this laptop into a new frontend **
[01:40:00] juski: GreyFoxx: it wasn't even running when I changed those settings
[01:42:00] juski: doing a manually scheduled recording now.. mythbackend is taking 2–4% CPU
[01:42:00] juski: wait...
[01:42:00] juski: 90%
[01:42:00] juski: wtf?!
[01:44:00] juski: was there an issue with the SI parser as well?
[01:44:00] juski: have to look at that patch
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[01:49:00] kevin007: I'm not quite clear on how to delete commercials
[01:49:00] kevin007: anyone here that could help?
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[01:54:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, I set it to 1 still nothing , so none of the query take longer than 1 second then I turned on general logging !
[01:55:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, the resulting logs from just setting one entry browseable is 36000 lines long
[01:56:00] juski: shodan: maybe the primary key is screwed
[01:57:00] juski: don't know much about mysql, but 36000 lines is a lot of stuff going on
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: can you post that somewhere for me to look at ?
[01:57:00] kevin007: anyway to delete commercials once they're flagged?
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: And just to clarify, what version are you running ?
[01:58:00] shodan: yes just a sec
[01:58:00] kevin007: j
[01:58:00] kevin007: k
[01:58:00] shodan: http://domn.net/files/mysql.log
[01:58:00] shodan: wait still uplload
[01:58:00] shodan: uploading
[01:58:00] shodan: it's huge !
[01:59:00] GreyFoxx: when you go into the videomanager before you edit anything, I assume it takes 30+ seconds to show up?
[01:59:00] Kamy: kevin007: you have to enable it in utilities/setup
[01:59:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, yes every actions takes that long
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[01:59:00] GreyFoxx: It looks like it's rebuilding the tree after each update. The update is instant it is regrabbing all of the data
[01:59:00] GreyFoxx: What version are you running ?
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[02:00:00] Kamy: oh, didn't catch the "once there flagged" bit
[02:00:00] Kamy: not sure ;)
[02:00:00] shodan: 0.18.1 (can't use cvs safely)
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[02:00:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: I'll take a look at it under svn later, see if it's still doing that. If it is I'll see about cleaning it up
[02:02:00] shodan: what about that primary key being screwed ? I did salvage part of this database from an earlier database (all that metadata took forever to enter so I saved some, maybe there's something wrong with the primary key ?!)
[02:02:00] juski: maybe I was talking bollocks.. it's late
[02:02:00] GreyFoxx: certainly possible, but either way it should not be regrabbing ALL of the data for every video after each update
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[02:04:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, do I need to add more memory if playback stutters? But when I pause then play it again, stutter goes away.
[02:04:00] shodan: is it possible that it's always been that way ?
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: if it's in the code it's in the code
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[02:06:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: No idea.
[02:06:00] GreyFoxx: you;'d have to do a lot more diagnostics :)
[02:06:00] defaultro: ok
[02:06:00] defaultro: btw, cpu is at 4% by mythbackend. It's recording at the same time
[02:06:00] defaultro: that's cool
[02:06:00] GreyFoxx: nice
[02:07:00] defaultro: but was wondering why mythcomflagg gets triggered at normal hours
[02:07:00] defaultro: I wanted it to play or not play actually
[02:07:00] defaultro: or 3am
[02:07:00] defaultro: mythcom eats about 26% cpu
[02:07:00] defaultro: can it be set?
[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: I don';t commflag :)
[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know all of the options :)
[02:08:00] defaultro: :)
[02:08:00] juski: now if I can get the machine to stay up long enough so I can recompile SVN with the EIT patch...
[02:08:00] defaultro: why you doing EIT?
[02:08:00] juski: videocard is borked I think
[02:08:00] juski: defaultro: I'll need it for the DVB radio channels
[02:09:00] defaultro: cool
[02:09:00] defaultro: i haven't seen any changes on trunk mythtv lately
[02:09:00] defaultro: looks like a code freeze?
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[02:10:00] juski: plenty of commits though
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: uhhhh there was a commit like half an hour ago
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: and tons this morning
[02:10:00] defaultro: let me do an svn update
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[02:10:00] Kelerion: tons of commits over the last couple of days
[02:10:00] defaultro: ok
[02:10:00] defaultro: all I see now is, At revision 8695.
[02:10:00] defaultro: after doing an svn update
[02:11:00] defaultro: but i'm seeing different number
[02:11:00] defaultro: hey guys, the fusion card I have supports both analog and digital. Can we configure mythtv so that it also knows about analog?
[02:12:00] defaultro: currently, it's set to capture digital
[02:12:00] juski: defaultro: I read a ML post about that today.. it'd be tricky
[02:12:00] defaultro: oh ok
[02:12:00] defaultro: but is it working?
[02:12:00] defaultro: did he get it working?
[02:12:00] juski: nobody talked about it working
[02:13:00] defaultro: ok
[02:13:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: I just did some edits in video manager and it updated the entry but didn't reread the info from the database
[02:13:00] GreyFoxx: so it looks like it's no longer a problem
[02:13:00] GreyFoxx: in fact..... I think I might have fixed it or something similar months ago
[02:13:00] defaultro: how come guys, svn update does not pull it
[02:14:00] defaultro: oh shoot
[02:14:00] defaultro: i think it's OSI Layer 8 issue
[02:15:00] defaultro: Kelerion, I was able to pull the changes
[02:15:00] Kelerion: thanks for letting me know.. what changes?
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: shodan: Actually yes, I believe it was something I changed several months ago, so it shouldn't be a problem in 0.19 :)
[02:16:00] shodan: could it be rereading everything because there is something wrong with my setup ? (maybe rereading everything as a failsafe)
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: no
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: It was written that way
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: I changed it to cache the data and only read it the once
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: it was just so long ago I had forgotten about it :)
[02:17:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, looks like there are nice commits :)
[02:17:00] defaultro: I'm planning to recompile
[02:17:00] defaultro: did you recompile yours?
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: no use updating if you aren't going to compile the code :)
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: though mine is from around lunch
[02:18:00] defaultro: yep
[02:18:00] shodan: GreyFoxx, how far away is 0.19 ?
[02:18:00] defaultro: what do you think about it? better performace?
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: ~1 week assuming no majorr issues
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Nothing I'm away of
[02:19:00] defaultro: i think, this is what should be elevated
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: Other than the new telnet controls to control a mythfrontend
[02:19:00] defaultro: 2006-01–22 20:11:17.960 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error
[02:19:00] defaultro: [mpeg2video @ 0xb753d924]get_buffer() failed (stride changed)
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: which is what I was after
[02:19:00] shodan: k, it's worth waiting then
[02:19:00] shodan: thanks
[02:19:00] defaultro: i get that tons in mythbackend everytime a program is recorded
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[02:20:00] defaultro: i posted it in #mythtv
[02:22:00] defaultro: hey guys, is Alias worth watching?
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[02:23:00] Kelerion: watched it once.. never watched it again.. but others love it.. all personal preference
[02:23:00] juski: defaultro: for the eye candy, maybe
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[02:24:00] defaultro: what type of program is it? sci-fi?
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: drama/action
[02:25:00] Kelerion: defaultro: btw.. am not a developer.. but I'm pretty sure the developers would prefer you posting experiences to #mythtv-users rather than the #mythtv irc channel
[02:26:00] Kelerion: or even better..the mailing list
[02:26:00] defaultro: oh ok
[02:27:00] defaultro: i will post it then to ML
[02:27:00] Kelerion: good idea
[02:27:00] defaultro: Is it a good idea to select "Record at any time on any channel" when you have more than 1 tuner?
[02:28:00] Kelerion: I can't see a reason why not
[02:28:00] defaultro: it's my first time to have the second tuner and i'm fixing tons of conflicts :)
[02:30:00] Kelerion: GreyFoxx: looks like that crash in FE when you exit records isn't getting fixed.. must be a lot more complicated that it first seems
[02:36:00] defaultro: any cool locally broadcaster sci-fi you know guys?
[02:36:00] juski: defaultro: depends how many channels you have
[02:37:00] juski: I had a few shows set to 'record at any time on any channel'... could've filled my disk up in 2 days with old repeats of them shows
[02:37:00] defaultro: gotcha
[02:37:00] juski: which reminds me...
[02:38:00] juski: done aaaand done
[02:38:00] Kelerion: lol.. what is?
[02:38:00] juski: missed shameless last week
[02:38:00] Kelerion: oh good grief
[02:39:00] Kelerion: you don't watch that do you??
[02:39:00] juski: accidentally deleted its recording schedule
[02:39:00] juski: it's a larf
[02:39:00] juski: low-brow
[02:39:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[02:39:00] Kelerion: any lower and it'd be targetting at cavemen!
[02:39:00] ** juski looks down on the proles **
[02:40:00] juski: it's a lot funnier than the royle family was.. gawd
[02:40:00] Kelerion: oh hell.. I hated that program
[02:40:00] Cromz: Kelerion, you have any issues with auth with that nx server?
[02:40:00] Kelerion: I honestly don't see what people saw in that
[02:40:00] juski: you wanna know why I hated that program?
[02:40:00] juski: used to go out with a girl whose family was just like them
[02:40:00] Kelerion: struck too many home truths?
[02:40:00] ** Kelerion grins **
[02:40:00] Kelerion: Cromz: not looked at it that seriously yet
[02:40:00] juski: yeah well – best shot of & all that
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[02:41:00] Cromz: hmm thought you knew all about it lol :)
[02:41:00] Cromz: ok
[02:41:00] Kelerion: Cromz: by default doesn't it just use the local passwd db?
[02:41:00] juski: anyway I'd have thought it'd be the middle classes who'd like Shameless more than the lower class
[02:41:00] Kelerion: Cromz: I only saw it last night! you were the one who asked if I worked for 'em! :P
[02:42:00] Cromz: lol
[02:42:00] Cromz: well the way you was pimp'in it.. ;)
[02:42:00] Kelerion: well it is cool! lol
[02:42:00] Cromz: I did try to get the server running but don't think it like my sshd
[02:43:00] Kelerion: I'm just using the default sshd in ubuntu.. worked fine with that
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[02:43:00] Kelerion: juski: you looked at the nx server stuff yet?
[02:43:00] Cromz: same with me. default sshd with fedora 3
[02:43:00] juski: no not yet but I need to
[02:43:00] ** Kelerion grins as he see's more pimpin' **
[02:43:00] Cromz: lol
[02:44:00] juski: use vnc at work, and it stinks at lunchtime when everyone's on the net
[02:44:00] Kelerion: I use vnc all the time.. and I do love it.. but I think it's speed sucks
[02:44:00] defaultro: vnc to home machine?
[02:44:00] Kelerion: handy as hell though
[02:44:00] juski: I take it the nx stuff just sends the screen drawing instructions or something
[02:44:00] juski: when it can I mean
[02:44:00] Cromz: I use putty to ssh home then tunnel vnc through it. :( blah!
[02:44:00] defaultro: what type of server are you connecting to?
[02:45:00] Kelerion: I presume so.. I don't see how it could work well over dialup otherwise
[02:45:00] Kelerion: the again.. thats what vnc is *supposed* to do
[02:45:00] defaultro: juski, why not use remote desktop if connecting to windows box
[02:45:00] juski: used to use vnc into my windows box til I got totally owned by some tw@ at work
[02:46:00] Kelerion: I like rdp to windows.. it's a lot faster.. but it has it's own issues too
[02:46:00] juski: defaultro: for the same reason I don't use vnc to it anymore
[02:46:00] Kelerion: and the rdp audio redirector *sucks*
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[02:47:00] juski: I don't even know how the bugger got in.. I had a go with ethereal & vnc doesn't seem to send plaintext passwords
[02:47:00] Kelerion: I'm lucky.. I run a business from home.. so all my pc's are on my lan.. but I'm lazy.. and won't get up and walk 6 foot to another machine.. lol
[02:48:00] nasa: when navigating the mythfrontend menus (with remote) what keys are used to move around? Right now my "ch+/-" moves up & down, what moves left & right?
[02:48:00] Kelerion: left and right.. up and down.. do what you would think they'd do
[02:48:00] FunkyELF: anyone know of a way of compressing shows into xvid in such a way that they'll still be playable though MythTV without having to go through Myth Video ?
[02:48:00] Kelerion: if you have your lircrc setup right
[02:50:00] ** nasa must have his lircrc screwed up **
[02:50:00] juski: FunkyELF: you running on an EPIA or something?
[02:50:00] FunkyELF: EPIA ?
[02:50:00] juski: no then
[02:50:00] juski: mine won't play transcoded recordings in mythtv either
[02:51:00] juski: xine plays them fine though
[02:51:00] FunkyELF: I just want to compress so that it is playable in MythTV and standard windows
[02:51:00] Kelerion: has someone been working on nuvexport lately? there seems to be a lot in the nuvexport svn
[02:51:00] FunkyELF: yeah...I could always just put them into Videos
[02:52:00] FunkyELF: I think Beirdo or Cardoe or both work on that stuff
[02:52:00] ** Kelerion thinks xris has been busy **
[02:53:00] juski: seen as I'm more or less done with my theme now I think it's soon gonna be safe to add the last of my DVB tuners into the backend & upgrade its hard drive
[02:53:00] Kelerion: juski: btw.. my wife prefers your new blue buttons :)
[02:53:00] juski: and stop recording fscking crap like Desperate Housewives & Cold Feet
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[02:53:00] juski: my wife says "oo that's nice" in a sarcastic way
[02:54:00] Kelerion: lol
[02:54:00] Kelerion: last time I said something like that was to Jarod.. and he said "well! always happy to please someone else's wife!"
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[02:55:00] juski: I wish to God that soap operas (and planet rock radio) didn't exist
[02:55:00] juski: heheh
[02:55:00] Kelerion: I wish to God "Most Haunted" didn't exist.. what a load of cobblers.. but she loves it
[02:56:00] Kelerion: beauty of myth.. she has a portable in the bedroom where she can watch all of "her" programs :)
[02:57:00] juski: oh yeah.. soon as the cable box was recordable...
[02:57:00] Kelerion: lol
[02:57:00] juski: derek accorah.. what a tit!
[02:57:00] ** Kelerion laughs **
[02:57:00] Kelerion: yeah! thats him!
[02:57:00] ** juski has a spirit guide too **
[02:57:00] Kelerion: and he has his own show now!
[02:57:00] juski: he's called Jack
[02:57:00] juski: surname Daniels
[02:58:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[02:58:00] Kelerion: how's that going? you recording from frontrow now?
[02:58:00] juski: infact.. if ITV was wiped out tomorrow I'd be a much happier man
[02:59:00] juski: frontrow? there's bog all on apart from stuff I saw at the flicks & straight-to-video movies.. like $ky movies
[02:59:00] Kelerion: we would need to have Living TV wiped here
[02:59:00] Kelerion: I thought you wanted to hook it up to record the movies on there
[02:59:00] Kelerion: but didn't think it's work
[02:59:00] Kelerion: because of encryption
[02:59:00] juski: and I'm not keen to pay £3.99 to rent a movie that's not in 16:9 with 5.1 surround
[03:00:00] juski: what I'm doing here is kind of in a grey area
[03:00:00] Kelerion: I thought that was why you got the pvr150! lol
[03:01:00] Kelerion: ahh.. yer the local DVD pirate huh? ;)
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[03:01:00] juski: I'm not using it to get anything I'm not already paying for, unlike some people with the same hardware
[03:01:00] Kelerion: I record all the time from Sky Movies.. but seeing as I have sky I don't see why I can't record it
[03:02:00] Kelerion: it's not like I'm selling it to all and sundry
[03:02:00] juski: mostly because there's nothing worth watching on the channels I don't already pay for.. and precious little of the stuff I'm entitled to is much cop anyway
[03:02:00] juski: was interesting seeing the star ratings for about 80% of Sky's movies when I had them though...
[03:02:00] juski: daytime they range from 0.5 to 2
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[03:03:00] juski: also interesting seeing how many I'd even heard of ;)
[03:03:00] Kelerion: lol
[03:04:00] juski: local drug dealer (or small time lottery winner) down the road has just got a plasma
[03:04:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[03:04:00] juski: you can see it as you drive past... stuck in the corner of the room... no idea
[03:05:00] Kelerion: I have a plasma stuck in the corner! lol
[03:05:00] Kelerion: I ain't a drug dealer lol
[03:05:00] juski: where do you put your surround speakers then?
[03:05:00] Kelerion: yeah yeah yeah.... I know.. and I *did* have it in the middle of my wall.
[03:05:00] Kelerion: but the wife wanted a change
[03:06:00] juski: one of the reasons I got this house is the shape of the livingroom ;)
[03:06:00] dtm: woooo mythtv 0.8.10 takes 5 hours to compile @ 233 MHz G3
[03:06:00] juski: get a telly wot's too big for a corner ;-) that's the trick
[03:07:00] GreyFoxx: dtm heh, not suprising
[03:07:00] Kelerion: you have *no* idea the amount of grief when I said to her.. "I want a surround sound setup".. she said "yeah! ok! it'll be like being at the cinema".. but when she heard I had to move the furniture??? "oh hell! no! I like it the way it is!"
[03:07:00] juski: lol
[03:07:00] dtm: Kelerion: :-o
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[03:07:00] Kelerion: so I did it anyways.. she lived with it for a month before I had to put it back
[03:08:00] juski: was in B&Q the other week when my wife piped up.. "this is just an idea.. I dunno if it's going to be easy to do or not... but could we have mythtv in more rooms or at least be able to listen to music in every room?"
[03:08:00] juski: !
[03:08:00] GreyFoxx: hahah cool
[03:08:00] Kelerion: bonus! lol
[03:09:00] FunkyELF: I'm reading some how-to's about burning DVD's from Myth recordings. I'm using nuvexport right now and I selected DVD and it is creating a .m2v file. The how-to's have .mpeg files. Are these the same thing or did I run nuvexport wrong? I ran it with --transcode
[03:09:00] Kelerion: I just wish my wife would think like that.. but she did say the other day.. "wouldn't it be nice if I could walk into a room and I hear – 'hello linda! nice of you to pop in – I've selected some music for you to listen to – sit back and enjoy!"
[03:09:00] juski: thinking about making an always on 'radio station' type player or 2.... have active speakers in every room & be able to switch between em
[03:11:00] Kelerion: I know i could write a program in windows to do that.. but not sure I could get something like that into myth
[03:12:00] Kelerion: maybe the telnet interface would work for it.. not sure
[03:12:00] juski: be interesting to see if you can get several player apps to use different output pairs of a multichannel soundcard at the same time
[03:12:00] txoof_: when I try to fire up myth-setup it complains that it can't find libmythavformat-0.18.1.so.0. libmythavformat-0.18.1.so.0 is in /usr/local/lib; /etc/ld.so.conf includes /usr/local/lib. ldconfig has been run again (linux 2.4.27 on 686 arch). Any ideas why it's complaining?
[03:13:00] juski: anyway I'd best go to bed.. new years resolution to stop having late nights has gone down the pan innit
[03:14:00] Kelerion: I stopped making resolutions years ago.. got pissed off with myself for breaking 'em.. lol
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[03:17:00] xpis: Does anyone used closed captioning with myth?
[03:20:00] Kelerion: Chutt uses Ubuntu? for some wierd reason I didn't picture that
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[03:21:00] Kelerion: I think I like the idea that developers still like the OS to be friendly but adaptable
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[03:32:00] darkdrgn2k: i hate 2 inputs on a pvr150, i have a CABLE TV coax and a SATALITE s-video. How do i set up so i can use both, without setting a guide for satalite (just want to watch. i have no way of changing channels yet)
[03:32:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, you need a guide for both
[03:33:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: well can i make a fake guide, like 1 channle, or somethign like that
[03:33:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, are you in north america? Zap2It is pretty easy...
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[03:33:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: yes but the problem is i have a satalite provide on s-video and i CANNOT change channels
[03:33:00] red_fox: you will probably want to change channels on the satalite box soon anyways
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: i have no means of doing it.. the pvr blaster doesnt support the box
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: and when i add the linup, it floods my normal guide with channels i cant watch w/o manually chaning the channel
[03:34:00] red_fox: the blaster that came with the 150?
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: yeh..
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: none of the codes work for it
[03:35:00] red_fox: hmm... I would say the best solution is to get the blaster to work ;-)
[03:35:00] red_fox: do you have an IR reciever?
[03:35:00] darkdrgn2k: yes
[03:35:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: problem is that it when i add the linup to the source.. my guide is FULL of channels oonly the satalite can pick up..
[03:35:00] red_fox: you can use it to record the IR from your sat remote, and transmit it
[03:35:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: the pvr 150 has a firmware that has the codes.. cant transmit custom ones!
[03:36:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: i already looked into that. i even have all the codes scematics for the sat box...
[03:36:00] red_fox: hmm alright sorry... I'm using a serial blaster
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[03:36:00] a1fa: MythBrowser plugin will not be built
[03:36:00] a1fa: lol
[03:36:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: maybe ill get one sometime...
[03:36:00] a1fa: why not?
[03:36:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: but can i create a lineup, with only 1 channel, that DOESNT download?
[03:37:00] red_fox: anyways, yeah you could probably just add one channel
[03:37:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: how???
[03:37:00] red_fox: I would go to zap2it, and you can disable all the channels except one
[03:37:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: but im scared that might screw up recording schedules, i have multiple tuners
[03:37:00] red_fox: if you log into zap2it, it lets you select which channels to put in your lineup
[03:37:00] red_fox: if you just change your sat lineup, you should be fine
[03:38:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: i guess pick a ussless channel or somethign.. damit there should be a differnt way then that :-S
[03:38:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: ok 2nd question, for some reason my settop box when it boots, it creasts the video files with wrong permissions, any idea why that is?
[03:38:00] Kelerion: a1fa: looks into configure script for has_library .. youll see the deps then
[03:39:00] a1fa: Kelerion: ok
[03:39:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, hrm no real idea there... what permissions is it giving them
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[03:40:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: rw for owner, (which is root) --- for rest
[03:40:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: i had to manual do a chmod a+rw on the /dev/v4l directory so that i could get anythign working
[03:40:00] red_fox: ah ok
[03:40:00] darkdrgn2k: first time its happend to me :-S
[03:40:00] red_fox: I thought you meant the .nuv files
[03:40:00] darkdrgn2k: i added it ot rc.local but still..
[03:40:00] txoof_: when I try to fire up myth-setup it complains that it can't find libmythavformat-0.18.1.so.0. libmythavformat-0.18.1.so.0 is in /usr/local/lib; /etc/ld.so.conf includes /usr/local/lib. ldconfig has been run again (linux 2.4.27 on 686 arch). Any ideas why it's complaining?
[03:41:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: the nuv files where a mystery for a while.. then i reazed NFS EXPORTS do not export a mounted drive within the structure
[03:41:00] red_fox: yeah there is a file that sets what permissions things in /dev start with.... what distro do you use?
[03:41:00] darkdrgn2k: ie -> /home/mythtv is exported
[03:41:00] darkdrgn2k: and /home/mythtv/store is a nother driver -> wont export
[03:41:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: got mandriva (redhat cloan basically)
[03:41:00] Kelerion: a1fa: probably libkhtml
[03:42:00] a1fa: ah
[03:42:00] a1fa: yes
[03:42:00] a1fa: i thought its mythweb
[03:42:00] a1fa: i got confused
[03:42:00] red_fox: hmm ok, I'm not sure where it is on redhat... let me see if I can find it on my box
[03:42:00] a1fa: i confused mythbrowser for mythweb
[03:42:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: i might just do a pxe box out of this anyway.. quite it down with no clunky hd!
[03:42:00] Kelerion: nope..completely different things
[03:43:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, yeah some people on here are booting off NFS and such
[03:43:00] Kelerion: mythbrowser allows you to browse the web from myth.. and mythweb allows you to control myth from a webbrowser
[03:43:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: thats what i wanna do, whats a good distro
[03:43:00] darkdrgn2k: .. imight haver ot compile my own X thogu ;(
[03:43:00] a1fa: Kelerion: yeah.. i know.. but i got confused.. i am tired man.. 2h of sleep today
[03:43:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, I'm a gentoo fan, but I've never messed with booting over network
[03:43:00] Kelerion: lol.. okies
[03:44:00] a1fa: red_fox: debian > gentoo
[03:44:00] a1fa: :P
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[03:44:00] ** a1fa stars a distro flame **
[03:44:00] Kelerion: when I finish this beer.. I'll also be confused as hell and I'll be going to bed :P
[03:44:00] red_fox: a1fa, hehe alright
[03:44:00] red_fox: a1fa, I'm not going to touch that one ;-)
[03:45:00] Kelerion: you beat me a1fa: I only had 4 hours of sleep.. but I've had a dozen beers so I figure am catching up :P
[03:45:00] a1fa: hehe
[03:45:00] a1fa: same here ;P
[03:45:00] a1fa: i got pulled over last night
[03:45:00] a1fa: luckally before getting drunk
[03:45:00] a1fa: speeding.. doing 60 in 45
[03:45:00] a1fa: fat ass fine
[03:46:00] Kelerion: I don't think I fancy installing half of KDE.. to get the mythbrowser to work
[03:46:00] a1fa: i dont even use mythbrowser
[03:46:00] darkdrgn2k: whats better
[03:46:00] darkdrgn2k: debian or slack?
[03:46:00] a1fa: ;P
[03:46:00] Kelerion: me either
[03:46:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, I found that file on gentoo... do you have /etc/udev ?
[03:46:00] a1fa: darkdrgn2k: imho, debian.. due to the system structure and package managment
[03:46:00] Kelerion: darkdrgn2k: depends on personal preference
[03:47:00] Kelerion: "better" is relative
[03:47:00] a1fa: ../../../../include/qt3/private/qucom_p.h:444: warning: 'struct QUType_QString' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
[03:47:00] a1fa: :P
[03:47:00] a1fa: so many of these warniings
[03:47:00] a1fa: i hate that
[03:47:00] Kelerion: but... does it compile?
[03:47:00] a1fa: yeah
[03:48:00] Kelerion: well then.. quit moaning :P
[03:48:00] a1fa: but i hate to see warnings
[03:48:00] Kelerion: I hate to see things not compile.. which is worse? :P
[03:48:00] a1fa: :P
[03:49:00] darkdrgn2k: ok one last question, when mouning of an NFS, how do you insall the OS originaly, seperate partition or something?
[03:49:00] Kelerion: darkdrgn2k: dunno..never done it
[03:50:00] a1fa: 2006-01–22 21:49:44.956 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 22 but we speak 26!
[03:50:00] a1fa: wtf
[03:50:00] Kelerion: mismatched versions
[03:50:00] a1fa: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=22, backend=26)
[03:50:00] a1fa: ;P
[03:50:00] a1fa: found it
[03:51:00] red_fox: battlestar galactica is pretty good
[03:51:00] red_fox: if any of you guys are looking for a new show to watch ;-)
[03:51:00] ** Kelerion decides to see if he can play poker at 4am with too many beers.. brb **
[03:51:00] a1fa: lol
[03:51:00] a1fa: Kelerion: where you at?
[03:51:00] a1fa: .EU?
[03:51:00] Kelerion: UK
[03:52:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: i searched teh code and changed the version on myth web :-P not the RIGHT way to do it but it worked :-P
[03:52:00] a1fa: Kelerion: uk is eu :P
[03:52:00] a1fa: Kelerion: you nationalist :P
[03:52:00] Kelerion: tell that to the politicians
[03:52:00] Kelerion: I ain't nuffin :P
[03:52:00] a1fa: darkdrgn2k: i installed the new version and it worked
[03:52:00] a1fa: mythweb is still broken
[03:53:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: yeh that works to
[03:53:00] a1fa: images are missing
[03:53:00] a1fa: in the menu bar
[03:53:00] Kelerion: works here
[03:53:00] Kelerion: make sure you have your hostname all setup right
[03:53:00] darkdrgn2k: any one ever use mythstream?
[03:53:00] Kelerion: and delete the mythweb.. then re-copy it over
[03:53:00] Kelerion: but backup .htaccess
[03:54:00] a1fa: that could be it
[03:54:00] darkdrgn2k: any one ever use mythstream?
[03:54:00] Kelerion: darkdrgn2k: your repeating yourself
[03:54:00] a1fa: http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test5pj.jpg
[03:54:00] darkdrgn2k: any one know how to use myth stream
[03:55:00] darkdrgn2k: (paraphrase)
[03:55:00] a1fa: http://mytivo/mythweb/themes/Default/img/spacer.gif
[03:55:00] a1fa: lol
[03:55:00] a1fa: this image is missing
[03:55:00] Kelerion: darkdrgn2k: if no one answered you the first time – they ain't gonna answer you 30 seconds later
[03:56:00] a1fa: Default vs. default
[03:56:00] Kelerion: mytivo???
[03:56:00] a1fa: :P
[03:57:00] Kelerion: what kinda hostname is that? :P
[03:57:00] a1fa: my hostname
[03:57:00] a1fa: its for the girlfriend
[03:57:00] a1fa: "my tivo"
[03:57:00] Kelerion: lol
[03:57:00] defaultro: a1fa, are you calling me? :)
[03:57:00] a1fa: no
[03:57:00] defaultro: i was just kidding
[03:57:00] a1fa: there is a bug in mythweb
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[03:57:00] a1fa: is trying to read images from "Default"
[03:57:00] a1fa: instead "default"
[03:57:00] a1fa: ln -s fixed the problem
[03:57:00] kcody: hi all... is there a known issue with pvr150's not getting any stereo separation?
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[03:58:00] xpis: Does anyone know exactly how captions in mythtv are supposed to work? Do they get saved in the nupplevideo files?
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[03:58:00] DSL_MTLCA: any nuvexport experts in here?
[03:58:00] DSL_MTLCA: (say that 10 times fast!)
[03:58:00] darkdrgn2k: does mythstream do streaming video?
[04:01:00] Excelsior: Should I use /dev/dsp or something else if I have Alsa emerged?
[04:01:00] kcody: excelsior: i'm using "ALSA:iec958" for sound output
[04:01:00] kcody: but i have an optical output
[04:01:00] Excelsior: Hmph...
[04:01:00] Excelsior: I have nforce2 chipset onboard sound
[04:02:00] a1fa: cool
[04:02:00] kcody: spdif or analog outputs
[04:02:00] a1fa: svn version is working great
[04:02:00] a1fa: i am glad i updated
[04:02:00] a1fa: lots of bug fixes
[04:02:00] Excelsior: kcody: analog
[04:02:00] Excelsior: normal 3.5MM audo jacks..
[04:03:00] kcody: just the left and right? only using one output jack?
[04:03:00] Excelsior: yep
[04:03:00] kcody: then you probably just want ALSA:default
[04:03:00] Excelsior: okay
[04:03:00] Excelsior: if I change something in mythtv-setup I don't have to redo mythfilldatabase, do I?
[04:03:00] a1fa: you should
[04:03:00] Kelerion: depends what you change
[04:03:00] a1fa: if it is channel related
[04:04:00] a1fa: and source :P
[04:07:00] a1fa: i love the fact that mythweb lets you watch things online :P
[04:07:00] a1fa: makes work go much much faster
[04:08:00] Excelsior: what kind of upload speed should you have to make that bearable?
[04:08:00] Kelerion: I just put 5k on catching a diamond on the river.. I don't play too well when drunk apparently.. lol
[04:08:00] spiderworm: anyone know if there's a way to adjust the audio playback ? it's not quite synced right with the video...
[04:08:00] darkdrgn2k: any one know if its posible to stream wmv files of linux
[04:09:00] a1fa: Excelsior: my work is two hops away from the cable internet company
[04:09:00] spiderworm: it's possible to stream wmv files of any operating system...
[04:09:00] Kelerion: thank god it ain't real money!
[04:09:00] Excelsior: a1fa: AH
[04:09:00] Excelsior: ah*
[04:09:00] darkdrgn2k: ok is it posible to PLAY streamed wmv files on linux
[04:10:00] defaultro: Hey guys, I selected "24" program as "record at any time on any channel Now, Upcoming Recordings in mythweb is showing 2 rows or entries.
[04:11:00] defaultro: Is both going to be recorded at the same time?
[04:12:00] a1fa: check the time
[04:12:00] a1fa: it should say air date
[04:13:00] a1fa: they both should be recorded
[04:13:00] defaultro: oh
[04:13:00] defaultro: i only wanted one
[04:13:00] Kelerion: okies all – 4:15am.. night time.. g'night!
[04:13:00] a1fa: "record at any time on any channel"
[04:13:00] a1fa: Kelerion: cheers mate
[04:13:00] defaultro: yeah, that's what I selected
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[04:13:00] kcody: that means record the entire series, defaultro
[04:13:00] defaultro: however
[04:13:00] darkdrgn2k: well does nay one know how to get wmv files to play on linux?
[04:13:00] defaultro: what if i have another program, not 24, but same time that I want to record
[04:14:00] a1fa: any new tv shows?
[04:14:00] a1fa: that are comming out soon?
[04:14:00] defaultro: prison break
[04:14:00] darkdrgn2k: i keep getting "cannot open directshow codec wmvdr..."
[04:14:00] defaultro: i don't want both tuners to record the same program
[04:14:00] defaultro: i just want to make it safe so that a tuner is available to record a different program
[04:15:00] a1fa: if it is not at the same time
[04:15:00] a1fa: at two different channels,
[04:15:00] a1fa: your tuner should be free
[04:15:00] defaultro: choosing this, "record at any time on any channel", assigns both tuners which is not what I want
[04:16:00] defaultro: they're both on the same time
[04:16:00] defaultro: one is OTA and other is COMCAST
[04:16:00] kcody: are they the same episode?
[04:16:00] defaultro: again, same time, same show but different channel
[04:16:00] a1fa: you can force tuner
[04:16:00] a1fa: via recording profiles
[04:16:00] kcody: i know same show, but myth does try to distinguish one episode from another
[04:16:00] a1fa: methinks
[04:16:00] defaultro: yes, they are because it's the same feed
[04:17:00] defaultro: i created 2 channel lineup in zap2it, OTA and CABLE
[04:17:00] kcody: easiest out for you is probably to just change it to record at any time on the comcast channel only (or the ota channel only your choice)
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[04:18:00] chuggachu: Would someone be able to dump a listing of the RPMS dir from FC4 disc 4 to pastebin for me ? im in the boonies with dial-up and a bad iso :/
[04:19:00] defaultro: what does this mean, "Record at anytime on channel"?
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[04:23:00] kcody: anyone know what 'subchannels' are in ivtvctl?
[04:23:00] Excelsior: hey
[04:23:00] Excelsior: if I use alsa:default for my output audio
[04:24:00] Excelsior: should I change the mixer device to :amixer
[04:24:00] Excelsior: ?
[04:24:00] Excelsior: er amixer?
[04:24:00] kcody: Excelsior: don't know what to tell you, my sblive bypasses the mixer for pcm->spdif anyway
[04:25:00] defaultro: Excel, I don't remember setting the mixer
[04:25:00] Excelsior: Okay.
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[04:26:00] Excelsior: Question: when configuring mythfrontend
[04:26:00] Excelsior: Should I change the user or password at all?
[04:26:00] darkdrgn2k: Excelsior: depends.. did you change it?
[04:26:00] Excelsior: I did the mysql by mysql < the default myth.sql file
[04:26:00] Excelsior: no
[04:26:00] darkdrgn2k: then you dont touch it
[04:26:00] darkdrgn2k: you touch only what you have changed
[04:27:00] darkdrgn2k: holy x takes forever to compile :-P
[04:27:00] Excelsior: boo
[04:27:00] Excelsior: yeah it does
[04:27:00] Excelsior: "database error was: can't connect to MySQL server on 192.168.0.128' failed to init mythcontext exiting
[04:28:00] Excelsior: yes mysql is ruunning ;p
[04:30:00] darkdrgn2k: check to see if the database is there
[04:30:00] darkdrgn2k: run mysql and do show databases; at the >
[04:30:00] darkdrgn2k: is
[04:30:00] darkdrgn2k: mysql> show databases;
[04:31:00] spiderworm: anyone know of a yastsource for myth packages for suse 10?
[04:33:00] Excelsior: bah
[04:33:00] Excelsior: there's only a test database
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[04:33:00] Excelsior: for some reason
[04:33:00] Trimble: hi all
[04:33:00] darkdrgn2k: Excelsior: thast why your myth cant find the database :-P
[04:33:00] darkdrgn2k: try re-adding the database
[04:33:00] Excelsior: yeah..
[04:33:00] Excelsior: h/o
[04:33:00] Excelsior: Ah shit
[04:34:00] Excelsior: I forgot my root password for mysql kek
[04:34:00] darkdrgn2k: lol
[04:34:00] Trimble: hey guys, i think my database is corrupt. I tried doing the mysqlcheck command as listed in the mythtv docs and it failed to repair.
[04:34:00] Trimble: what should i do next?
[04:34:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: if you dont care what you lose.. re-create it
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: drop the database and re-add it
[04:35:00] Trimble: will I loose the shows that are recorded?
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: good question...
[04:35:00] Trimble: :(
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: the actual shows you wont loose..
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: but i donno if they will show up in the list...
[04:35:00] Excelsior: Fuck
[04:35:00] Trimble: i'm guessing it won't delete the FILES, but what if it can't access them?
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: but the files will still be there
[04:35:00] defaultro: which table gets populated by mythfilldatabase?
[04:35:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: ytou can ALWAYS play them manually :-P
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[04:36:00] defaultro: i mean, the schedules
[04:36:00] defaultro: the 1week+ schedules
[04:36:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble: you can also rename the database,, re-create the files and they try to move the recorded show entries over..
[04:36:00] Trimble: whoa, that sounds tricky
[04:37:00] darkdrgn2k: Trimble do you know what is cuppot
[04:37:00] darkdrgn2k: currpot
[04:37:00] Excelsior: okay hey DarkBeer
[04:37:00] Excelsior: under the root user
[04:37:00] Excelsior: the myth database exists
[04:37:00] Captain_Murdoch: if you're going to the same version, it's a simple "insert recorded select * from renamedDBname.recorded;" and the same for a couple other tables like recordedmarkup to save you time rebuilding seektables.
[04:37:00] darkdrgn2k: ummm enter your root login adn password in myth config :-D
[04:37:00] Excelsior: ah okay
[04:37:00] Trimble: when i do mysqlcheck -umythtv -pblahblach... it says.. well, several tables seem to show "Table is marked as crashed and last repair failed"
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[04:38:00] darkdrgn2k: <Captain_Murdoch> if you're going to the same version, it's a simple "insert recorded select * from renamedDBname.recorded;" and the same for a couple other tables like recordedmarkup to save you time rebuilding seektables.
[04:38:00] darkdrgn2k: that should copy over all your recorded stuff into the tables
[04:38:00] darkdrgn2k: just rename your db.. re-create.. re-mythfill then copy over the record shows
[04:39:00] Captain_Murdoch: might want to do the same for the record table to keep any scheduled recordings.
[04:39:00] Trimble: ok, let's start with rename.. how do I do that?
[04:39:00] darkdrgn2k: umm
[04:39:00] darkdrgn2k: google?
[04:40:00] darkdrgn2k: RENAME TABLE old_table TO backup_table,
[04:40:00] darkdrgn2k: uhh thast table..
[04:40:00] darkdrgn2k: i guess you could use it for db
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[04:41:00] Excelsior: WTF
[04:42:00] Excelsior: unable to connect to database
[04:42:00] Excelsior: I changed the username to root, appropriate pass
[04:42:00] Excelsior: and I still get unable to connect :<
[04:42:00] Excelsior: now whenever I rretry to start myth-frontend it forgerts my settings
[04:43:00] darkdrgn2k: Excelsior: it forgetrs canse it cant connect
[04:43:00] Excelsior: gay
[04:43:00] Excelsior: er
[04:43:00] Excelsior: gah
[04:43:00] Excelsior: it worked
[04:43:00] Excelsior: changing it from my router assigned ip to 127.0.0.1
[04:44:00] Excelsior: Okay
[04:44:00] Trimble: oh yeah, i stumbled onto that problem when i first started, excel :)
[04:44:00] Excelsior: now does anyone wanna tell me why I have a blank screen instead of TV? :P
[04:44:00] Excelsior: tvtime works :<
[04:45:00] darkdrgn2k: Excelsior: check firewall
[04:45:00] ** darkdrgn2k is away.. zzzz **
[04:45:00] Excelsior: It's connecting to itself
[04:45:00] spiderworm: is there a way to limit the amount of resources that commercial flagging is allowed to use?
[04:45:00] Excelsior: it's not going to get pissy through my firewall if it doesn't go outside of 127.0.0.1...
[04:46:00] Excelsior: this entire system is a bit complicated/weird to me, though
[04:46:00] wylie: anyone using athlon 64... was thinking again about the pundit-ae3 for a frontned
[04:47:00] xpis: wylie: I'm using a sempron 2800+, which is a 64-bit processor.
[04:47:00] xpis: (and I'm usinig 64 bit builds of everything)
[04:48:00] wylie: xpis good experience?
[04:48:00] tanq: soo..
[04:48:00] xpis: so far, yes. I've had tons of driver related issues due to using not-so-well supported hardware.
[04:48:00] wylie: for what kind fo hardware?
[04:49:00] xpis: I've had to use cvs builds of v4l and xorg.
[04:49:00] tanq: i need some suggestions on an hdtv card this is a great deal..
[04:49:00] tanq: s/this/that
[04:49:00] xpis: nforce3 chipset, saa7134 and cx88 framegrabbers, volari v3 (trident) graphics
[04:49:00] wylie: tanq dunno, but the air2pc hd5000, I would recommend. the hd3000 works, but does not perform as well and can be a hassle — then again, and hdtv card to do what
[04:50:00] wylie: xpis sounds like a hassle — hmmmm
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[04:50:00] xpis: wylie: just don't get those framegrabbers or an XGI video card
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[04:50:00] xpis: wylie: I built my box for $120.
[04:50:00] r00twayne: hey i'm having a little trouble getting mythtv to change my STB motorola 6200... any idea on how to do this?
[04:51:00] tanq: well if I get an hd card will i have to go from the hd card to tv for hd quality or will it be fine over vga via the graphics card
[04:51:00] wylie: xpis performs well? $120 is great price [also looking to do something inexpensive, too much invested already]
[04:52:00] xpis: It performs fine. My recordings are great.
[04:52:00] xpis: And, I use the machine as a vnc server, file server, and more.
[04:52:00] wylie: and will it play hd content ok?
[04:52:00] tanq: also i can't remember is is dvi or hdmi or both that carry sound
[04:53:00] inkypinky: I have a pvr-150 mce on my mythtv box and it was working fine but today it stopped worrking. Whenever I click on "watch tv " I keep getting errors 2006-01–22 22:54:39.164 Using protocol version 15
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:39.347 Disable DPMS
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:39.571 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:39.780 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:39.989 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.197 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.406 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.615 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[04:53:00] inkypinky: Couldn't read file: rbuf://192.168.2.8:6543/var/cache/mythtv//ringbuf1.nuv
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.629 LiveTV not successfully started
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.641 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[04:53:00] xpis: I haven't used it with HD content as of yet, but I suppose it would.
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.646 Changing from None to None
[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.655 Enable DPMS
[04:53:00] tanq: paste bin would help
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[04:53:00] inkypinky: 2006-01–22 22:54:40.668 Using protocol version 15
[04:53:00] xpis: inkypinky: pastebin
[04:53:00] inkypinky: sorry
[04:54:00] tanq: inkypinky: have you rebooted it ?
[04:54:00] r00twayne: anybody know how to get mythtv change channels over firewire?
[04:54:00] tanq: like shutdown for 10seconds and then boot back up
[04:54:00] inkypinky: yes I have rebooted. I was playing with ivtv-radio the last time
[04:54:00] xpis: wylie: The CPU use is quite low for what I'm doing. I don't have a HD card so I can't benchmark for HD.
[04:54:00] r00twayne: on a motorola 6200
[04:54:00] Goose-Npa: when i click on a video to watch in mythtv it opens up the video with the volume al the way down. Im using xine, anyone know how to set the default audio level?
[04:54:00] tanq: inkypinky: not just reboot but count to 10.. to make sure everything is cleared
[04:55:00] xpis: wylie: If you have a Fry's electronics, keep an eye on their AMD motherboard/cpu combos.
[04:55:00] tanq: xpis: outpost.com
[04:55:00] xpis: outpost.com's prices are higher
[04:55:00] tanq: they don't really have any good specials anymore on good stuff
[04:56:00] tanq: most of their specials are for things that are a notch below middle or you can't upgrade them
[04:56:00] tanq: the motherboards are usally pegged right at the processor
[04:57:00] tanq: so you not only have middle of the road but you get stuck buying a new motherboard everytime you want to upgrade the cpu
[04:57:00] Trimble: i reran mysqlcheck -r /umythtv /p... mythconverg and it seems to have repaired...
[04:57:00] xpis: Till, $70 for a motherboard with a Sempron 2800+ processor that pricegrabber has for $72 is a good deal.
[04:57:00] tanq: 2800+ 32 bit?
[04:57:00] xpis: 64 bit
[04:57:00] inkypinky: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130529 this board is pretty good
[04:57:00] tanq: i forget what sempron's are targeted for
[04:58:00] inkypinky: do they have sempron 939 out as yet ??
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[04:58:00] xpis: Semprons are cheaper processors targeted at those who don't want to spend much. AKA those looking for a $120 mythtv box.
[04:58:00] Trimble: i recently built a computer for my wife – and outpost.com BEAT the local fry's prices by about 100 bucks overall
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[04:59:00] xpis: I also got a Antec super-quiet case for $30 from Fry's.
[04:59:00] xpis: (incl. super-quiet PSU and fan)
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[05:00:00] xpis: And, I used tigerdirect the day after thanksgiving to get a 512MB stick of pc3200 ram for $17 shipped.
[05:00:00] tanq: yeah i need to put the sides of my case back on
[05:01:00] tanq: i also need to spraypaint my case black so it isn't an eysore in my living room
[05:01:00] xpis: With the antec case, I have the backend box sitting right next to my TV, turned on 24/7, and you can't hardly tell it's on.
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[05:01:00] tanq: what do you run the frontend on?
[05:01:00] xpis: the same box
[05:01:00] tanq: man i should put my frontend on my psd
[05:02:00] xpis: And in other places as well.
[05:02:00] tanq: /psd/ps2
[05:02:00] xpis: (I have multiple frontends)
[05:02:00] tanq: i only have one box right now..
[05:02:00] xpis: (on computers)
[05:02:00] tanq: i'm still trying to tweak my box and wifi
[05:03:00] tanq: the network blows half the time to my box.. i had to edit my init scripts for mysql and mythbackend to not worry about the network.
[05:03:00] xpis: Fry's had the top-of-the-line black antec silent case (normally $130) for $30 the day after thanksgiving. And they had tons – I got there late in the day and they were still piled high.
[05:03:00] tanq: i hate shopping.
[05:04:00] tanq: i used to spend a lot of money at fry's on upgrades
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[05:04:00] tanq: but i stopped noticing any differences
[05:04:00] tanq: so i'm holding out for a nother year or two
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[05:04:00] xpis: tanq: wait for the big sales before buying anything.
[05:05:00] tanq: i doubt anything about my next box will be on sale
[05:05:00] xpis: tanq: I'm only at Fry's a few times a year, as I live 100 miles away.
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[05:05:00] tanq: i live 15minutes away
[05:05:00] tanq: used to be 5
[05:05:00] tanq: heh
[05:06:00] nanoITX: I live about 40 miles from the local Fry's. It's still too close for my budget.
[05:06:00] xpis: So I only go when I go do Indianapolis (from Columbus, OH)
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[05:06:00] tanq: man i don't feel like going to work
[05:06:00] tanq: wake up in 6 hours bleh..
[05:07:00] tanq: i should go to sleep i guess...
[05:07:00] tanq: i still need to get a dvd burner for my box so I can back up videos
[05:07:00] Trimble: how do i watch a .nuv file manually? is that in the mythtv documentation?
[05:07:00] tanq: Trimble: yep
[05:07:00] xpis: hm.. you have to get up at 5am local time? That's quite early.
[05:08:00] tanq: indeed
[05:08:00] tanq: i'm used to it..
[05:08:00] Trimble: tanq – is it the section: I'd like to watch the files without using MythTV / I'd like to convert the files to some other format ??
[05:08:00] xpis: tanq: Officemax has a liteon for $25 after rebate
[05:09:00] tanq: Trimble: i think that has something about nuvexport
[05:10:00] xpis: tanq: http://officemax.shoplocal.com/officemax/defa . . . goryall&
[05:11:00] Trimble: so, is nuvexport what i need to manually view a nuv file? that sounds like transcoding to a different format... or, is that what I need to do? does mythtv call some viewer program to view them in their native format that I could just manually call?
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[05:11:00] xris: Trimble: nuvexport is for converting
[05:11:00] xris: Trimble: what kind of tuner card do you have?
[05:12:00] Trimble: it's an ATI tvwonder pro. does mplayer play nuv files natively?
[05:13:00] xpis: FYI: tv wonder pro uses a conexant chip, supported by v4l2's cx88 driver. It's a framegrabber.
[05:13:00] nanoITX: Am I the only one around who's building a myth frontend based on a Via nanoITX?
[05:13:00] xris: Trimble: it sort of plays them.. mythtv uses a modified format of nupplevideo, so mplayer freaks out if you try to ff or rw
[05:13:00] tanq: xpis: yeah that is terrible. the last dvd burner i got was a memorex 8x +/-R/RW and I payed about 200 for it
[05:13:00] defaultro: hi xris, i have a question re your mythweb
[05:13:00] xris: Trimble: (I asked what card because with hardware encoder cards and dvb cards, the .nuv files are actually mpeg)
[05:13:00] xpis: tanq: lite-on makes good drives.
[05:13:00] xris: defaultro: what's up?
[05:14:00] xpis: tanq: I'd buy it if I hadn't already got my (black) plextor 16x dual layer for $31.
[05:14:00] defaultro: i'm in Recording Schedules. I changed a program to "Record at any time on channel." Channel is blank. Is this normal when for a 2 tuner setup?
[05:14:00] tanq: xpis: have you looked into the hd drives that store 30 GB of data
[05:14:00] tanq: dvd drives
[05:14:00] Trimble: xris, i had configured mythtv to record in mpeg4. 2800 p4 processir.
[05:14:00] xpis: tanq: you mean HD-DVD/blueray?
[05:14:00] xris: defaultro: no... could be left over from a time when the channel wasn't encoded into the profile.
[05:15:00] xpis: tanq: Those won't be around for some time.
[05:15:00] defaultro: xris, i didn't understand
[05:15:00] xris: Trimble: yeah, then it's definitely nupplevideo. only way to play properly in linux is with mythtv.
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[05:15:00] xris: defaultro: is this a new schedule?
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[05:16:00] diode: hey, i'm having problems with lirc.. everytime i reboot i have to "make install" in order to get it working again
[05:16:00] defaultro: xris, this is what I did. I selected a program as record at any time on any channel. It said [Any]. Then I changed it to "Record at any time on channel." then it becamse blank
[05:16:00] diode: there is a link in ubuntuforums.org but its down again...
[05:16:00] xris: defaultro: ahh... sounds like the "any channel" thing isn't storing the chanid... so when you go back to edit it, it freaks out.
[05:16:00] defaultro: xris, i have 2 tuners
[05:16:00] defaultro: ok
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[05:17:00] defaultro: but if I go to upcoming records, it shows the channel
[05:17:00] Trimble: xris – ok, mythtv has definately dropped the recordings from it's database when i repaired it. am I out of luck to recover or just watch the videos then, since their mpeg4?
[05:17:00] xvalentinex: Anyone know of some themes for mythtv?
[05:17:00] tanq: xpis: hd-dvd and blu-ray are different aren't they?
[05:18:00] xris: Trimble: look in the contrib directory for a script called something like mythrebuilddb
[05:18:00] Trimble: ok
[05:18:00] xris: tanq: yes
[05:19:00] diode: any idea why i would have to make install lirc everytime i reboot?
[05:19:00] xris: defaultro: oh, sounds like a bug
[05:19:00] defaultro: and also xris, I'm in Upcoming Recordings. In the first column of a program, it shows C in color red. It's telling me that there is a conflict. I go inside and it tells me Possible conflicts. However, time is different
[05:19:00] Trimble: :/ not finding contrib... would it be under a subdirectory?
[05:20:00] xris: defaultro: the conflict stuff comes from the backend.
[05:20:00] Excelsior: hey
[05:20:00] Excelsior: I have this problem with mythfilldatabase: http://pastebin.com/518630
[05:21:00] Excelsior: it ends on that note
[05:21:00] xris: Trimble: something LIKE that name. I don't know the exact name. and yes, it might be in a subdir
[05:21:00] Excelsior: anyone got an idea?
[05:21:00] defaultro: now i see the conflict. I thought, having 2 tuners in myth allows the schedule to automatically be fixed
[05:21:00] Trimble: i googled mythrebuilddb, and the name is right – says it would be in contrib folder.. but, i don't have a contrib in root...
[05:22:00] defaultro: This is what is in conflict
[05:22:00] defaultro: Nova: Deadly Ascent 111  – WTTW-HD Mon Jan 23, 2006 (07:00 PM)
[05:22:00] defaultro: C Surface: Episode 13 51  – NBC5-DT Mon Jan 23, 2006 (07:00 PM)
[05:22:00] xpis: Hm.. does anyone who uses nupplevideo (aka anyone who doesn't use ivtv) and svn have closed captioning working?
[05:22:00] defaultro: i had an impression that when you set schedules myth will automatically use the other tuner
[05:22:00] xris: defaultro: looks in conflict to me
[05:22:00] defaultro: it is
[05:23:00] defaultro: but like what i said, i though myth automatically assigns it to the second tuner
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[05:23:00] Trimble: do you have both tuners setup right?
[05:23:00] defaultro: i am able to record for both
[05:23:00] defaultro: same schedules
[05:23:00] Trimble: ah
[05:23:00] defaultro: but different source
[05:23:00] xpis: (mythtv-setup asks for the VBI device, but it doesn't seem to decode and store captions)
[05:23:00] Trimble: any chance they are conficting with a third program?
[05:23:00] defaultro: huh/
[05:24:00] xris: defaultro: that's why the page is "possible" conflicts...
[05:24:00] xpis: (and yes, my driver supports the vbi device. And data is coming across it)
[05:24:00] Goose-Npa: when i click on a video to watch in mythtv it opens up the video with the volume al the way down. Im using xine, anyone know how to set the default audio level?
[05:24:00] xris: as for the C, that comes from the backend.
[05:24:00] defaultro: but how can we let myth assign a program to a free tuner?
[05:25:00] xris: defaultro: no clue
[05:25:00] defaultro: I think this would be a nice selection. Let say, on channel 2, 7–8pm, Program A. Then on channel 5, i assign it again and have the same time, however, myth should automatically assign or a prompt that will tell us, tuner has been used, would u like to use the second tuner as I am seeing the same title
[05:26:00] defaultro: I didn't like the "record at any time on any channel" because both tuners have been assigned
[05:26:00] xpis: tanq: Yes, blu-ray and hd-dvd are different. blu-ray is more expensive and is backed by sony. HD-DVD is backed by many other companies including Microsoft. (which, while evil, is on the side of *hardware* competition, which is good)
[05:27:00] xpis: tanq: the cheap after rebate liteon from officemax would likely suit you well. I've used liteon drives that I have gotten cheap or free after rebate and have never had any problems.
[05:28:00] defaultro: who wins the format is the format that consumers will decide
[05:28:00] defaultro: it's always like that
[05:30:00] xpis: both, however, would be loaded with DRM and movies would NOT play on any open source software, barring someone breaking the strong protection (which will happen eventually... but perhaps after the next gen format is already out)
[05:31:00] xpis: So, the mythblu plugin may be slow in coming.
[05:32:00] xris: defaultro: blu-ray will stay around at least as long as the ps3.
[05:32:00] xris: xpis: and I believe that dvd jon has already (mostly?) cracked the new encryption
[05:33:00] xris: defaultro: I can't duplicate your no-channel thing
[05:34:00] xris: did find a typo, though. heh
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[05:37:00] wylie: anyone out there happily using a digimatrix?
[05:37:00] wylie: or has anyone reported back they have one and like it?
[05:37:00] defaultro: ok
[05:38:00] defaultro: xris, i was able to fix the conflict by selecting the program that is in conflict, then changing it to "record at any time on any channel"
[05:39:00] defaultro: xris, should I wait for ps3 or should I just buy xbox 360?
[05:39:00] defaultro: the specs of ps3 is awesome
[05:39:00] defaultro: what are your thoughts on it?
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[05:48:00] Trimble: arg.. so close.
[05:48:00] xris: defaultro: I won't buy microsoft game system...
[05:48:00] xris: the xbox sucked, don't expect the 360 to be that much better.
[05:48:00] xris: but then again, I'm not a gamer. just got a gamecube last year (used from a friend for $100)
[05:49:00] xris: I left out a few "I"'s in there...
[05:49:00] Trimble: ok, i can watch my /nuv files with "mplayer [filename] -vo x11 -fs" however, the aspect ratio isn't right. still researching how to tweak the aspect ratio.
[05:49:00] xris: Trimble: they'll play, just won't play right. you're likely to get AV sync problems
[05:50:00] Trimble: seems to be playing fine, just squished.
[05:50:00] Trimble: like inverted letterbox.. black boxes on left and right.. need to stretch the 480 horizontally to 640
[05:51:00] Trimble: oh, and the links for nuvexport seem to be down
[05:51:00] Trimble: or screwed up or something
[05:52:00] Trimble: well, the link to d/l it seems to be there :/
[05:52:00] xris: Trimble: hang on, lemme check the server
[05:52:00] defaultro: cool xris
[05:52:00] Trimble: nevermind, i googled some othe rlinks
[05:53:00] defaultro: xris, i love the pre .19 even if there are still some issues with it
[05:53:00] xris: Trimble: direct download at http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/
[05:53:00] defaultro: i like the closed captioning support
[05:53:00] Trimble: yeah, that's what i found xris :)
[05:53:00] xris: my trac setup appears to be down. I think yum or apt installed a version mismatched with my copy of python
[05:53:00] defaultro: where can we see a list of new features on pre .19?
[05:53:00] wylie: trac is cool, but bitchy
[05:54:00] Trimble: now to figure out how to download that right on my mythbox... not my windows box.. :( hate being such a n00b
[05:54:00] xris: Trimble: wget
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[05:54:00] ** xris kicks fedora for f'd up dependencies **
[05:55:00] Trimble: thx xris :)
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[05:56:00] defaultro: you guys seen a new cool theme?
[05:56:00] defaultro: juski's theme is nice but I'm experiencing issus when choosing Watch Recordings
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[05:56:00] defaultro: other themes doesn't experience it
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[05:58:00] dtm: AHOY.
[05:59:00] dtm: i'm confused by the mythtv-setup "custom identifier". i have a separate backend and frontend.
[06:00:00] dtm: is "custom identifier" for the case where i would have multipel frontends?
[06:00:00] xris: Trimble: if you WANTED to see the svn repo for trac, it's back now...
[06:01:00] xris: afk I go
[06:05:00] closer: what do I put in my /etc/fstab for an Apple Bootstrap partition?
[06:05:00] closer: I'm trying to setup yaboot
[06:05:00] closer: oops wrong channel
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[06:08:00] roiz: Hello all, Any Mysql experts here.. problem with ubuntu mythtv setup
[06:09:00] Agrajag-: roiz: that's a fairly useless statement. what's the problem?
[06:10:00] roiz: mythtv-setup is kicking out with mysql errors.. cant find the database
[06:10:00] kormoc: roiz, did you create it like the docs say to?
[06:11:00] r00twayne: Anybody know how to get MythTV to change the channel on a STB Motorola 6200
[06:11:00] roiz: yes.. and I read thru several docs.
[06:11:00] kormoc: you did something wrong, given it can't find the database.
[06:11:00] kormoc: are you sure that's the error it gives?
[06:11:00] Agrajag-: can you use pastebin and paste the exact error?
[06:12:00] roiz: Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[06:13:00] Agrajag-: isn't there more than that?
[06:13:00] roiz: sorry.. cut the wrong one..
[06:13:00] roiz: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[06:13:00] Agrajag-: you don't have the qt mysql driver
[06:13:00] Trimble: ok xris, you're right – AV sync problems.
[06:13:00] Trimble: i did manage to get the aspect ratio right, but after watching for 5 minutes, they do drift.
[06:14:00] roiz: thats what I thought, but I cany get-install the one that the docs say.
[06:14:00] Agrajag-: what distro?
[06:14:00] roiz: breezy amd 64
[06:14:00] Agrajag-: libqt3-mt-mysql
[06:15:00] Agrajag-: well that's what it is in debian. don't know about ubuntu
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[06:15:00] roiz: BTW I am not familiar with debian or ubuntu, which is better distro for muythtv?
[06:16:00] Agrajag-: none is 'better'
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[06:18:00] defaultro: hey guys, what does this do for us, HD ringbuffer? And is it in mythtv-setup?
[06:18:00] dtm: does anyone else here use a hardware mpeg codec
[06:19:00] nanoITX: dtm: I will be once I get it working (CN400)
[06:19:00] nanoITX: though, I'm having trouble rebuilding X 6.9
[06:19:00] dtm: nanoITX: i'm doing my first mythtv installation. i have had pvrusb2 working fine with vlc and whatnot.
[06:19:00] roiz: It installed!! Thanks alot that was great!!! I will reboot and move on.. thatnks again!
[06:19:00] nanoITX: dtm: my second, but the first trying to use an mpeg HW codec
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[06:20:00] dtm: why would mythtv-setup be unable to connect to the database? i have no password on the root user
[06:20:00] nanoITX: I'm stuck on getting X.orgs X11R6.9 to run right now.
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[06:20:00] nanoITX: dtm: firewall? iptables?
[06:21:00] dtm: the instructions said to simply install mysql, run 'mysql -u root < mc.sql', and run mythtv-setup
[06:21:00] nanoITX: did you start the mysql server?
[06:22:00] nanoITX: did you start the mythbackend?
[06:22:00] dtm: nanoITX: yes that mysql command worked. no i didn't do the mythbackend.
[06:23:00] nanoITX: drm: mythfrontend talks to mythbackend which talks to the sql server
[06:23:00] Trimble: damn im frustrated...
[06:23:00] Chutt: mythfrontend talks to the sql server.
[06:25:00] ** nanoITX is frustrated too, with a stupid X unresolved reference problem. **
[06:26:00] Trimble: how do I open a .tar.bz2 file?
[06:26:00] Trimble: tar says doesn't look like a tar file
[06:26:00] nanoITX: tar -jtvf
[06:26:00] Trimble: will try thx
[06:26:00] dtm: nanoITX: the howto says nothing about mythbackend at this point
[06:26:00] nanoITX: -j for the .bz2 extention, and the rest as usual
[06:26:00] nanoITX: dtm: you need to have mythbackend running
[06:26:00] dtm: nanoITX: it says to do the sql setup as i said, and then mythtv-setup
[06:26:00] Agrajag-: nanoITX: no he doesn't
[06:27:00] dtm: nanoITX: ok well why doesn't it say so? :)
[06:27:00] Agrajag-: nanoITX: you're wrong, stop confusing him
[06:27:00] Agrajag-: dtm: it doesn't say so because you don't have to
[06:27:00] dtm: i got an error though
[06:27:00] nanoITX: how is the frontend going to talk to the backend, then? I've always had to start the backend.
[06:27:00] dtm: ERROR 1064 at line 4: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'TEMPORARY TABLE
[06:27:00] dtm: S ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv"' at line 1
[06:28:00] Agrajag-: nanoITX: he's running mythtv-setup
[06:28:00] dtm: this is mysql 3.23.54
[06:28:00] dtm: i dont know what that means but it doesn't look mandatory to me
[06:29:00] dtm: there is no mysql user named mythtv
[06:31:00] xris: Trimble: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .pl?rev=8697
[06:31:00] xris: sorry, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ddatabase.pl
[06:32:00] dtm: isn't there supposed to be a mythtv user in mysql?
[06:33:00] ** nanoITX wonders if Agrajag ever built X... **
[06:33:00] Agrajag-: no, im not that silly
[06:34:00] nanoITX: I'm trying the get the DRI and XvMC drivers working with a Via CN400
[06:34:00] dtm: by what means is mythtv-setup trying to connect to mysql? a socket file or tcpip?
[06:35:00] Agrajag-: via whatever qt wants to do
[06:35:00] Agrajag-: probably tcpip
[06:35:00] nanoITX: So, I started with stock X11R6.9
[06:35:00] Agrajag-: so make sure your mysql's listen configure thing is right
[06:38:00] dtm: Agrajag-: trying to google how to do that.
[06:39:00] Agrajag-: set the bind-address in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[06:39:00] Agrajag-: and make sure skip-networking isn't set
[06:41:00] Bob-Laptop: I seem to be having troubles with my new PVR-500, all I can get is static
[06:41:00] dtm: Agrajag-: ok i can telnet to localhost 3306 and i get "Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server" but i can do "mysql -u root -h localhost" just fine.
[06:41:00] dtm: Agrajag-: so what are mythtv-setup's assumptions?
[06:42:00] Chutt: it has no assumptions.
[06:42:00] Chutt: except that you've run the mc.sql script and created the database + user it will be using to connect.
[06:42:00] dtm: Chutt: ok it has to have an assumption ofeither tcpip or socket, and of a username and of a database name.
[06:43:00] Chutt: err, no
[06:43:00] dtm: and that script does not create a user
[06:43:00] Chutt: sure does
[06:43:00] Chutt: it doesn't have any concept of tcpip or socket connections to mysql.
[06:43:00] Chutt: that's _all_ taken care of by the mysql client library
[06:43:00] dtm: Chutt: ok so the default should work
[06:44:00] Chutt: and the mc.sql script certainly creates a user.
[06:45:00] Trimble: anyone know – how bad is this: error  : Can't find file 'channel.MYI' (errno: 2)
[06:47:00] Trimble: i see that when doing mysqlcheck mythconverg ... all other files seem ok, but channel.MYI file is missing. this seems to cause mythfilldatabase from working.
[06:47:00] Chutt: well, yes. if the database is broken, myth apps can't talk to it.
[06:49:00] Trimble: does it mean that I have to delete the db and start over?
[06:49:00] Chutt: well, you've run mysqlcheck
[06:50:00] Chutt: did you tell it to repair the db?
[06:50:00] dtm: Chutt: ok so then do you have any suggestions? i can connect using this 'mysql -u mythtv -h localhost -p' with password 'mythtv'
[06:51:00] Chutt: dtm, what error are you getting from myth?
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[06:53:00] dtm: Chutt: 2006-01–23 00:52:42.049 Unable to connect to database!
[06:53:00] dtm: Chutt: its initial settings were correct though.
[06:53:00] Trimble: Chutt: no, it didn't tell me to repair.. it just lists many tables, each one shows "OK", except it has that one channel.MYI error in the middle
[06:53:00] Chutt: the whole thing?
[06:53:00] Chutt: not just part of it.
[06:53:00] dtm: Chutt: does that mean it can't do something in particular?
[06:54:00] Chutt: dtm, i have absolutely no idea, since you haven't shown the whole error.
[06:54:00] dtm: 2006-01–23 00:52:31.419 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...2006-01–23 00:52:31.419 Database not open while trying to load setting: Languagemythtv: could not connect to socket
[06:54:00] Trimble: Chutt: fyi, this is the state it's in AFTER doing a repair. it was worse.
[06:54:00] Chutt: Trimble, then, yes, you need to wipe and start over.
[06:54:00] Chutt: dtm, again, that's not all of it.
[06:54:00] Chutt: oh well, bed time for me.
[06:55:00] Trimble: ok. i'll go find the docs for wiping and starting over :(
[06:56:00] Trimble: I know this part... Deleting the MySQL database
[06:56:00] Trimble: NOTE: Performing this step will remove the entire database. You will lose all of your settings and will need to re-run the mc.sql script to setup the database structure before running the setup program.
[06:56:00] Trimble: where is the mc.sql script and how do i run it?
[06:56:00] Trimble: i'll go look..
[06:57:00] Trimble: im using knoppmyth, so i haven't had to mess with mc.sql before.
[06:57:00] dtm: ah i think that mythtv-setup requires a newer mysql than 3
[06:58:00] dtm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jSCgyl76.html
[06:58:00] Chutt: dtm, you don't have the qt mysql driver.
[06:59:00] Chutt: it works fine with mysql 3.
[06:59:00] dtm: ok.
[06:59:00] Chutt: so, um
[06:59:00] Chutt: you just needed to read the docs.
[06:59:00] dtm: Chutt: please don't tell me i have to recompile mythtv ;)
[06:59:00] dtm: yeah. i did.
[06:59:00] Chutt: no, you didn't.
[06:59:00] Chutt: that requirement is _clearly_ listed
[06:59:00] Chutt: that error message is as well
[06:59:00] Chutt: as well as the resolution
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[07:03:00] laga: re
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[07:04:00] dtm: Chutt: ok well where is it if not in http://mythtv.org/docs
[07:05:00] ** dtm googles **
[07:05:00] dasOp: its there
[07:05:00] dasOp: you just need a qt3-mysql package
[07:05:00] dasOp: or whatever its named on your distro
[07:05:00] dtm: k
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[07:06:00] dasOp: zero conf package, just install it
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[07:08:00] Bob-Laptop: can anyone here help me troubleshoot a PVR-500 that will only show static?
[07:09:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: did you perhaps not scan properly for channels
[07:10:00] dtm: scantv -o ~/.tv/stations -c /dev/video0 -C /dev/null -a
[07:10:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: like so?
[07:10:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, I will try that now
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[07:10:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: you do that.
[07:10:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: it took me about 30 minutes, but you can see the progress
[07:10:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: are you in the US doing cable?
[07:10:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, yes US Cable
[07:11:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: ok that worked for me.
[07:11:00] dtm: that was the only way i could find according to google and such
[07:11:00] Chutt: you don't need to run scantv with myth.
[07:11:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, I am not finding scantv on my Fedora/atRPMs system
[07:11:00] Chutt: the output's not used, etc.
[07:12:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, I was following the troubleshooting section of the ivtv site and also Jarod's site, all the tests I do get static.
[07:13:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: it comes with xawtv
[07:13:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: i mention it becuase i assume you're saying that you get nothing but static even with somethign other than mythtv.
[07:14:00] Chutt: static means you have the wrong tuner type selected.
[07:14:00] Chutt: or cabling bad
[07:14:00] Chutt: or a lot of other things, but most people have the wrong tuner type selected.
[07:14:00] dtm: you might have the wrong input selected, like coax vs. baseband
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[07:14:00] Chutt: baseband?
[07:14:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, first thing I checked was the cabling, the picture is fine on my PVR-150
[07:15:00] dtm: baseband is the cabling for RCA connectors
[07:15:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, where is the "tuner type" selected?
[07:15:00] Chutt: Bob-Laptop, when you load the ivtv module
[07:15:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: first, what app are you using to view static with
[07:15:00] Chutt: dtm, you have no idea how to help him, so stop trying.
[07:15:00] Chutt: so many people give crap for advice in here :(
[07:15:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, just cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg
[07:16:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, then view the file
[07:16:00] dtm: Chutt: aren't you just about ready to do your superiority dance, Church Lady?  :)
[07:16:00] dtm: Chutt: we dont even know his config or what he's looking at.
[07:16:00] Chutt: yeah, whatever. come back after you read the docs.
[07:16:00] Chutt: he said he was following jarod's instructions
[07:17:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, I found new ivtv packages from Axel, I will try these and ask again if I have no luck
[07:17:00] Chutt: what version?
[07:17:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, 1:0.4.2–101
[07:17:00] Chutt: also, depending on the newness of the board, hauppauge recently shipping a new tuner type that won't be supported in older drivers.
[07:17:00] Chutt: in the 500s
[07:18:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, I read that
[07:18:00] Bob-Laptop: Version of the 500, I would have to check
[07:18:00] Chutt: easier to try the new driver =)
[07:18:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, yes will do that
[07:19:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, I am hoping it is not the "new tuner issue" if it is my wife will freak out
[07:20:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, I sold two working 150's and bought to 500's, so she is missing TV all day today
[07:20:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: hehe.  :/
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[07:21:00] Trimble: how often does mythtv try to run mythfilldatabase? is that a setting i set? I ask because I haven't been leaving my mythtv connected to my router 24x7...
[07:22:00] Trimble: bob – you sold the 150's before the 500's were working? tsk tsk
[07:23:00] Bob-Laptop: Trimble, I know, but need the funds from somewhere
[07:23:00] Trimble: ah, i know about funds :(
[07:23:00] Bob-Laptop: between the wife and the kids, MythTV could be a lot cheaper if it was just me
[07:23:00] Trimble: lol
[07:24:00] Bob-Laptop: two tuners and not eight
[07:24:00] Trimble: my mythtv is still in the computer lab (my office) and not ready for living room – but the wife and kids are already coming into the office to watch things it's recording.
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[07:26:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, new driver fixed it
[07:26:00] Trimble: whew, eh?
[07:26:00] dtm: Bob-Laptop: lol 8 tuners?
[07:26:00] Bob-Laptop: yeah
[07:26:00] Chutt: you might not be able to use high-numbered channels
[07:27:00] Bob-Laptop: dtm, yeah 4 frontends/slaves with 150's and two 500s in the master backend
[07:27:00] dtm: :-o
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[07:27:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, is there documentation I can look at about this?
[07:28:00] Chutt: not that i know of
[07:28:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, my cable only goes up to 82, I checked that and it comes in
[07:28:00] Bob-Laptop: Chutt, anything above that you need a cable box here
[07:29:00] Chutt: probably good enough, then
[07:29:00] Trimble: is a tv capture card needed in a frontend machine to watch live-tv on it? or can a backend server provide a tuner to a remote frontend box?
[07:29:00] Bob-Laptop: I hate CHarter so I returned the boxes I had
[07:29:00] Bob-Laptop: Trimble, not required no
[07:29:00] Bob-Laptop: Trimble, the backend can provide
[07:29:00] Trimble: so, i could have a server with a few capture cards in it and a frontend box (like a used xbox) could pull live TV from the server in the closet?
[07:30:00] Bob-Laptop: Trimble, yes
[07:30:00] Trimble: ok cool, that's what I had been assuming.
[07:30:00] Bob-Laptop: Trimble, the only reason I am using the PVR-150s is the remote, well the added tuners is a bonus IMO
[07:30:00] Trimble: ahhhhh
[07:31:00] Trimble: that's what i was wondering
[07:31:00] Trimble: :D
[07:33:00] Bob-Laptop: Is there an FM radio bit for mythTV yet? I just noticed that these 500s have FM tuners
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[07:35:00] Trimble: can anyone point me in the right direction – how do I pull a file from my myth box to my windows box across my network?
[07:36:00] laga: Bob-Laptop: maybe there's something at mythextra.napsi.net, but i'm not sure if it works well
[07:36:00] adante: hrj.. anybody using svn ever had myth forget to stop recording on them?
[07:36:00] laga: Trimble: maybe using an ftp server, or with samba?
[07:36:00] laga: Trimble: you using knoppmyth?
[07:36:00] Trimble: yes, knoppmyth
[07:37:00] laga: samba is installed there by default, i suggest that you look around in the knoppmyth wiki
[07:37:00] Bob-Laptop: laga, thanks for the link I will check it out
[07:37:00] Trimble: database died, im running out of time to troubleshoot, and just want to pull the .nuv files out, reformat, reinstall, and push them back.
[07:37:00] Trimble: thanks laga, i can do that.
[07:38:00] laga: push them back? that works best if you use nuvexport's dump mode
[07:39:00] Trimble: nuvexport isn't working.
[07:39:00] dtm: i can't exit the capture card setup screen of mythtv-setup.
[07:39:00] dtm: i'm getting no command line errors
[07:40:00] Trimble: i found, downloaded, and installed nuvexport; tried to export a recording, and it got stuck waiting for .. something.. forgot what now.
[07:40:00] dtm: oh ok i got it. must have been an invisible 'cancel' button.
[07:41:00] Trimble: nuvexport seems to rely on mythtv's database, which in my case, is corrupt.
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[07:41:00] laga: Trimble: yeah, but the dump thingie will just cp the file and the dump the related entries in the recorded table so you can easily 'push them back'
[07:41:00] UncleBill: hello friends
[07:41:00] laga: Trimble: oh, ok
[07:41:00] Bob-Laptop: Hi UncleBill
[07:42:00] UncleBill: what I need to do seems so obvious, but I've gone round and round for a week now. I want to convert a move from a perfect rip from mythvideo into an mpeg with mpeg2 video and mp3 audio. can anyone suggest a command line to do this?
[07:43:00] UncleBill: I've played with transcode, ffmpeg, mencoder, but I just can't figure it out
[07:44:00] dtm: UncleBill: hello sir
[07:44:00] UncleBill: heya dtm
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[07:45:00] buu: Hallo people. What is the easiest way to make the myth run ont he debian?
[07:46:00] xvalentinex: UncleBill, I don't believe it is possible to have an mpeg2 video with mp3 audio. I don't think any codec will support it.
[07:46:00] UncleBill: I don't follow the question, buu. are you asking for general installation instructions?
[07:46:00] buu: Yeah, basically.
[07:46:00] buu: I'm trying to install just the front end
[07:47:00] buu: I found the mythtv package at the main website, but I wasn't sure if this was the frontend or the backend. Also it's not detecting my X
[07:48:00] UncleBill: xvalentinex, I'm looking to play videos on a hauppage media mvp. it plays other mpeg files fine, but files with audio as ac3 (the encoding used on cds) don't sync well. I was assuming that mpeg2/mp3 was the standard in other mpegs that play fine. how can I find out what format a given file is in?
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[07:49:00] UncleBill: buu, the "package" contains both front end and backend
[07:49:00] r00twayne: Does anybody know how to get MythTV change the channels on a Motorola 6200 STB over firewire??
[07:49:00] xvalentinex: UncleBill you can run mplayer from command line, and it will tell you what codecs were used
[07:49:00] buu: UncleBill: Hrm. Ok.
[07:49:00] xvalentinex: typically mpeg uses mp2 audio
[07:49:00] UncleBill: buu, if you install both, just don't startup the backend
[07:50:00] UncleBill: xvalentinex, can you suggest a command line (any utility) to convert a mythvideo perfect rip (mp2/ac3 I believe) to the format you propose (mp2/mp2, yes?) ?
[07:51:00] xvalentinex: what format are you wanting in the long run?
[07:51:00] xvalentinex: tovid is an excellent script for converting movie fiels
[07:51:00] xvalentinex: *files
[07:51:00] UncleBill: anything that will play smoothly on the media mvp (it has a tiny cpu, so divx and such aren't possible)
[07:52:00] xvalentinex: tovid will convert to DVD standard MP2's you can also specify to use stereo instead of ac3
[07:52:00] buu: Ya know, you really should have named the channels differently =/
[07:53:00] xvalentinex: if you don't need dvd resolution that it can do an SVCD standard mpeg2, which is a lower res
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[07:56:00] UncleBill: I'm checking out tovid now. was hoping for command line, but any solution is better than what I have now. it's mandating a bunch of other packages; looks like it's a x-based wrapper to others such as dvdauthor, transcode, etc.
[07:56:00] xvalentinex: I'm sorry my typing is incorrect tovid will convert to a standard mpeg2, you can specify the audio to be stereo (MP2) or surround (AC3)
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[07:57:00] xvalentinex: tovid is commandline, and is a basically an ellaborate script for mencoder
[07:58:00] xvalentinex: or transcode
[07:58:00] xvalentinex: I forget
[07:58:00] xvalentinex: but the GUI is optional, I don't use it, and find it confusing
[07:58:00] xvalentinex: the command line is very simple though
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[07:58:00] benh: hi !
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[07:58:00] benh: so I installed it all on debian, configured (though I had a hard time with the mysql part so I may have screwed something there)
[07:59:00] benh: now, I can start the front end
[07:59:00] benh: but if I do, for example, "watch TV" it complains that it lost connection to the master backend
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[07:59:00] benh: I'm getting "connection timed out" errors in the console
[07:59:00] benh: not sure what's up
[07:59:00] xvalentinex: is your backend also your frontend?
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[08:00:00] benh: I'm using full IP acdresses (not localhost), currently on the same machine but the goal is ultimately to move the frontend elsewhere
[08:00:00] benh: xvalentinex: it's the same box yes
[08:00:00] benh: xvalentinex: for my tests
[08:00:00] benh: xvalentinex: I'll setup a front-end later
[08:00:00] UncleBill: xvalentinex, tovid wants me to install a bunch of stuff, none of which is available by yum or apt (spumux, dvdauthor, and vcdxbuild for starters). before I go there you're pretty sure this will do what I'm after?
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[08:01:00] Trimble: gah... wtf, i can't start samba. i see it right there in the directory, but i type samba and it says it can't find it. wtf
[08:01:00] xvalentinex: UncleBill, are you just after mpeg2's with stereo (MP2) audio?
[08:01:00] UncleBill: yep
[08:01:00] xvalentinex: and what are you converting from?
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[08:01:00] UncleBill: the vobs that come from mythvideo perfect rips. I believe they're mp2/ac3
[08:02:00] xvalentinex: benh, have you set up the mysql database, and ran mythfilldatabase?
[08:02:00] UncleBill: it seems like a simple thing I'm after. and I already have mencoder, ffmpeg and transcode. seems there should be a command line with what I have
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[08:02:00] benh: I might have screwed something there...
[08:02:00] xvalentinex: from vobs huh? not sure if it can handle that one
[08:02:00] benh: the database exist, it seems like the deb packages created it
[08:02:00] benh: anyway... I'll try a few more things and will come back, thanks for the tips
[08:02:00] xvalentinex: have you set up the password and such?
[08:03:00] laga: Trimble: /etc/init.d/smb start or something like that.
[08:03:00] laga: Trimble: but you really should read the knoppmyth docs, it should be all explained there
[08:03:00] UncleBill: Trimble, what does it say it an't find?
[08:05:00] Trimble: smb start? the wiki says samba start
[08:05:00] benh: xvalentinex: ok, it wasn't a mysqlk problem
[08:05:00] UncleBill: what do you try and what does it say, Trimble?
[08:05:00] benh: xvalentinex: looks like the backend died
[08:05:00] benh: in fact, if I do "watch TV", I get a black screen
[08:05:00] benh: and the backend dies
[08:06:00] benh: (the DVB card works fine with other apps and the channels have been scanned properly)
[08:06:00] xvalentinex: what do the backen logs say?
[08:06:00] xvalentinex: /var/log/mythbackend.log
[08:06:00] Trimble: if I do either smb start or samba start, i get bash: samba: command not found
[08:06:00] Trimble: and i can see it right there when i do ls
[08:06:00] dtm: it is the mighty benh !
[08:06:00] Trimble: it's like some of the stuff in that directory just ins't there.
[08:06:00] xvalentinex: Trimble ./smb start
[08:07:00] Trimble: no such file or directory
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[08:07:00] benh: dtm: hehe !
[08:07:00] dtm: benh: h0h0 !
[08:07:00] Trimble: i think my box is totally hosed... arg...
[08:07:00] dtm: i have no idea where mythfilldatabase intends to get its tv channel data
[08:08:00] benh: xvalentinex: ok, there's was an error about missing file/dir in my tv cache, I think I had a permission problem on the lvm storage
[08:08:00] benh: xvalentinex: now it can't get data from the DVB... getting better :)
[08:09:00] ** benh goes back to mythtv-setup to check his dvb settings **
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[08:10:00] benh: suggestion for developers: have a "preview" option in mythtv-setup so that one can test the TV :)
[08:12:00] xvalentinex: UncleBen, I don't believe tovid will do what you want. If you want to rip a DVD to mpeg2, then I suggest using DVD::RIP and skip the MythTV built in ripper.
[08:12:00] xvalentinex: or rather MythTV module
[08:13:00] xvalentinex: dvd::rip has a lot of dependancies as well though
[08:13:00] benh: works now :)
[08:13:00] xvalentinex: and it is GUI
[08:14:00] benh: now if only I had a working remote ....
[08:14:00] Trimble: hot damn... i had to start samba from the root, I had CD'd into the directory..
[08:14:00] benh: that divco one doesn't work
[08:14:00] Trimble: so, it's started.. i think.
[08:14:00] benh: looks like they have a new revision that doesn't quite work with the lirc divco stuff... oh well
[08:15:00] xvalentinex: Trimble, you have to be root to start most services
[08:16:00] Trimble: ok... now, how do i find the damned mythtv box from my windows XP machine's network neighborhood.. gah, more research...
[08:17:00] xvalentinex: Trimble, easy, and less secure version?
[08:17:00] dtm: Trimble: the quickest way is to do "start | run | \\hostname"
[08:18:00] Trimble: ah, got it, thanks dtm
[08:19:00] dtm: k
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[08:21:00] Trimble: valentine i didn't mean i have to BE root, I meant i had to be in the root directory and spell out the whole path.
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[08:42:00] benh: ok, the mac mini seems to work reasonably as a front end
[08:42:00] benh: I yet have to see what it does with the apple TV adapter... I hope it can do proper interlaced output
[08:43:00] benh: out of curiosity, the DVD capture plugin works on OS X? it needs libdecss installed somewhere ?
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[08:59:00] dtm: so why would i want to pick xmltv, zap2it, or DataDirect?
[09:02:00] dtm: what's the difference?
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[09:17:00] Cardoe: zap2it & datadirect are the samething
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[09:17:00] Cardoe: they're for the US
[09:17:00] Cardoe: xmltv is for anywhere else
[09:19:00] dtm: Cardoe: oh. so in the US for cable tv, i need zap2it?
[09:19:00] dtm: or what? any preference?
[09:19:00] Cardoe: yes
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[09:37:00] stuarta: dibblah: you around?
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[09:43:00] dtm: i'm not sure where to get a zap2it account
[09:50:00] Gumby: http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html
[09:51:00] dtm: Gumby: thanks
[09:51:00] Gumby: dtm: google is your friend
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[09:53:00] dtm: Gumby: yeah i'm surprised i couldn't find it on zap2it.com
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[10:09:00] juski: morning
[10:10:00] stuarta: morning.
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[10:15:00] dtm: Gumby`: i can't find anything via google either
[10:16:00] dtm: regarding the certificate, i mean. is it needed?
[10:24:00] dtm: oh i got it.
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[11:04:00] juski: hi Merlin83b
[11:04:00] Merlin83b: Morning juski.
[11:05:00] juski: what ultimately made your system work, I mean how did you do away with the prebufferring pauses? was it just GreyFoxx's patch?
[11:05:00] juski: btw how's your system in general now? all going okay?
[11:06:00] Merlin83b: I compiled with arch=c3 and GreyFoxx's patches at the same time so it could have been either.
[11:06:00] Merlin83b: Or both :-)
[11:06:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, all going well. FE crashes every now and then but I now have it started inside screen inside a while loop so it'll jsut fire up again if it does.
[11:07:00] juski: I improved my SVN system by using proc-opt, so maybe I just need the SI table parse patch
[11:07:00] Merlin83b: Got a coule of pauses last night during Invasion, watching a recording but I think ot was commflagging at the same time. I've decided I'll do without commflagging.
[11:07:00] Merlin83b: Oh, proc-opt helped you? This latest compile has no proc-opt.
[11:07:00] Merlin83b: Looking through configure, I think proc-opt made it -O3 and not using it did -Os
[11:07:00] Merlin83b: -Os is good for Epias :-)
[11:08:00] Merlin83b: Which table are recording schedules stored in? (not record – the ones et to be scheduled that will be)
[11:10:00] juski: can't remember
[11:10:00] juski: should be easy to work out though
[11:11:00] juski: yeh the prebuffering pauses when I enabled proc-opt were for shorter periods, but it still pauses every 2 seconds for about half a second
[11:13:00] juski: so when I bag a new video card & PSU for this system I'll give it a spin with the patch
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[11:15:00] Merlin83b: Let me know how it goes.
[11:16:00] Merlin83b: Do you happen to have the make output with you?
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[11:21:00] juski: erm...
[11:22:00] juski: no I don't.. machine is ppowered down.. don't trust it – video card is overheating a lot (been run for too long wihtout a fan)
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[11:28:00] Merlin83b: Oh right.
[11:28:00] Merlin83b: WHen you can, take a look at what -O setting it used.
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[11:38:00] juski: will do Merlin
[11:39:00] juski: think it was using Athlon though
[11:39:00] Merlin83b: Oh right
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[11:41:00] juski: hmm that's not good. 2 hard drives out of the box, in bags... clicking & generally not working :-/
[11:43:00] stuarta: seem to be having hardware problems juski.
[11:44:00] Freman: I've got this one chan that is either constantly running half an hour slow – or the guide is half an hour fast – anyone know how I can make the guide for that chan move half hour?
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[11:48:00] juski: stuarta: this is a work problem
[11:48:00] juski: the SVN box at homee just needs a new PSU & VGA card cos it's a donkey machine
[11:48:00] stuarta: ahh
[11:49:00] juski: fan failed on the GPU about 4 years ago
[11:49:00] juski: and I have no idea how old the PSU is
[11:50:00] galorin: I checked on the mailing lists for my problem, and the suggestion is to change the resolution/bitrate for livetv. I can't figure out how to do this on svn.
[11:50:00] stuarta: had the same problem with my GPU fan a few months ago
[11:50:00] stuarta: ended up killing the card :-(
[11:50:00] juski: and the motherboard it's on – I repaired its bad caps about 4 years ago
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[11:51:00] galorin: only had the jittery video problem after puting svn on.
[11:53:00] stuarta: I have to beat up the channel scanner tonight
[11:53:00] stuarta: Doesn't properly find the tables on all my muxes.
[11:54:00] stuarta: suspect it doesn't work for quite a few people.
[11:59:00] juski: you're not wrong there
[11:59:00] stuarta: doesn't work for you either?
[12:00:00] juski: nope
[12:00:00] juski: give it a mux to tune to... gets a lock
[12:00:00] stuarta: finds no tables
[12:00:00] juski: usually doesn't find any tables
[12:00:00] stuarta: Took me an hour to find all the channels last week when I added another card.
[12:00:00] juski: importing a channels.conf doesn't help much cos the dtv_multiplex table doesn't get network ID info etc from that
[12:01:00] stuarta: I suspect the tables are turning up
[12:01:00] juski: how did it get so broken?
[12:01:00] stuarta: dunno. worked 3mths ago.
[12:02:00] stuarta: think I'll go put another ticket in trac....
[12:02:00] juski: the thing is.. recent versions of the DVB scan util don't work so well either..
[12:03:00] stuarta: you have non DVB scan problems too?
[12:03:00] juski: so maybe the problem lies more with the DVB libs
[12:03:00] stuarta: we don't use them
[12:03:00] juski: I mean when I use the DVB scan utility, sometimes it doesn't get the tables
[12:04:00] stuarta: mm, perhaps it's in the kernel then?
[12:04:00] juski: don't use them? so why the need to point ./configure at the libraries?
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[12:04:00] stuarta: which libraries do you mean?
[12:05:00] juski: forget it..
[12:05:00] stuarta: okay....
[12:08:00] galorin: grr, gotta get kid ready for playgroup, and my video is still choppy. :S
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[12:10:00] stuarta: think it's a different problem to Dibblahs #744
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[12:15:00] juski: oh no.. big announcment at work in 15 mins.. they've got a PA system in too.. I hate these kind of things
[12:15:00] juski: it's never good news
[12:15:00] stuarta: break out the asbestos suit.
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[12:21:00] galorin: Anyone got any suggestions for jittery video under SVN? Already checked DMA, and it's enabled, CPU usage is at 100% though
[12:21:00] GreyFoxx: nvidia ?
[12:22:00] galorin: on-board video. LOL though the jittery video only started after I went to SVN
[12:22:00] galorin: I'm expecting a new nvidia card today though
[12:23:00] juski: oo they've got a projector screen up now.. this gets worse
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: but is it an onboard nvidia card is my question :)
[12:23:00] galorin: no, it's not.
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: ok, wouldn't be what I suspected then
[12:23:00] juski: galorin: using DVB-EIT perchance?
[12:24:00] galorin: Yep.
[12:24:00] galorin: it doesn't work LOL
[12:25:00] stuarta: what doesn't work about it?
[12:25:00] stuarta: apart from hammering the machine
[12:26:00] juski: galorin: get the patch for it & all will be better.. I've yet to try it, so I've got my fingers crossed
[12:26:00] juski: galorin: check your dtv_multiplex table & make sure all the muxes have network & service IDs.. EIT scanning won't work without therm but strangely TV will
[12:26:00] tanq: will air2PC also capture hd over cable
[12:26:00] tanq: anyone know?
[12:27:00] galorin: ok Juski, I'll do that. .. after I get back from playgroup.
[12:27:00] tanq: i'm guessing no since they have a cable4pc?
[12:29:00] galorin: would that also account for the choppy/slow video?
[12:29:00] stuarta: constantly slow or in patches?
[12:32:00] stuarta: if it's patchy then it could help.
[12:34:00] galorin: just in patches
[12:34:00] stuarta: try and see, let us know how it goes.
[12:35:00] stuarta: we are rewriting eit handling soon.
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[12:38:00] galorin: ok will do that
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[12:42:00] juski: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!
[12:46:00] ** juski calms down **
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[12:47:00] juski: bad news, and they tried calling it good news. I don't call adding travelling time onto my working day 'good' news
[12:47:00] laga: huh?
[12:47:00] laga: --verbose
[12:47:00] juski: good news everyone! we're moving you 30 miles down the road
[12:48:00] laga: that sucks :/
[12:48:00] juski: or in alternative terms, adding an hour's travelling time each way
[12:49:00] laga: any way you can get compensated for that?
[12:49:00] juski: no idea yet
[12:50:00] juski: it's either that or I walk. not that I know where I'd walk _to_
[12:50:00] juski: expenses were mentioned, but it's the time I'm concerned about
[12:51:00] juski: gonna go get some air.. still fuming here
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[12:52:00] laga: do that
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[13:35:00] Rule: Hello folks. Can anyone please enlighten me a bit about how mythfilldatabase handles the 'credits' xmltv tags ? Im looking at filldata.cpp but I can't figure out how this part (adding 'persons') works.
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[13:48:00] juski: laga: might not be so bad.. talk of compensation, both financial and in working hours but nothing concrete yet
[13:49:00] Rule: darn seems mythfilldatabase is broken for xmltv :-(
[13:52:00] r00twayne: Does anybody know how to get MythTV on Fedora core 4, to change the channels of a Motorola 6200 Set to box over firewire?
[13:53:00] GreyFoxx: juski: I assume the company is saving money by moving you all ?
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[13:56:00] laga: juski: sounds cool
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[14:00:00] Caveman: can someone suggest the best way to delete an orphaned recording, I fear it is causing a database corruption
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[14:01:00] laga: Caveman: what do you mean by 'orphaned'?
[14:01:00] Caveman: well its showing in recorded programs but the files are no longer on the drive
[14:01:00] Caveman: i can't delete, it just stays there
[14:01:00] Rule: touch the file or delete in the database
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[14:03:00] rav3r: can anyone help me with the /video lvm/jfs partition?
[14:03:00] znoG: once a new recording profile is created, how does one tell MythTV to use it for, for example, LiveTV?
[14:03:00] Freman: ahhh bugger, my coolcommand remote chan up turns my sound system volume down
[14:03:00] Freman: guess I'm gonna have to pick another remote
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[14:04:00] Merlin83b: Moving to where, juski?
[14:04:00] rav3r: i've been googleing for about 3 days now
[14:04:00] Merlin83b: Freman: Or alter your .lircrc file
[14:04:00] Cromz: Caveman: do you webmin on your myth box? it comes in handy for stuff like this.
[14:05:00] Merlin83b: rav3r: Help you in what way? You haven't actually said what you want to do.
[14:05:00] Caveman: [01:04] <Cromz> Caveman: do you webmin on your myth box? it comes in handy for stuff like this. <-- no i don't, just SSH
[14:06:00] Freman: tis got nothing to do with the .lircrc file – the remote it's self triggers the sound system amp to volume down on chan up
[14:07:00] rav3r: i need to set up the partition. fedora is installed and i left the rest of my drive (about 180g) as LVM as described in jarod's guide and now I need to do as it instructs and create a logical volume over the top of it, formatted JFS
[14:07:00] Freman: good thing I have the programmable remote
[14:07:00] stuarta: caveman: select title from recorded where basename=whatever.mpg
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[14:07:00] laga: stuarta: that only works with SVN
[14:07:00] stuarta: true...
[14:07:00] Rule: or "touch /videodir/whatever.mpg" in the shell
[14:07:00] Rule: then delete from gui :)
[14:09:00] Cromz: Caveman: do like Rule says, that'll work too.
[14:09:00] Caveman: excellent, ta. I was missing mythconverg.recordedmarkup – how can i replace this?
[14:11:00] rav3r: in my google searches, i've tried several things in the linux console like lvmdiskscan and most come back no such file or directory
[14:11:00] rav3r: from my google searches, i should say
[14:11:00] Caveman: im experiencing issues with fast forward not working and the recordings skipping, from what I can find it could relate to database corruption
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[14:14:00] Cromz: rav3r, lvm isn't so easy, there are a few commands you have to do. like creating a group, naming it. adding the dev to it, then formatting it to the filesystem you want, if you have the support for it on your system.
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[14:16:00] rav3r: i'm trying to follow http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Exp . . . VM_partition
[14:16:00] Cromz: rav3r, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ is the best help you can get. under 11. common tasks. is where I learned
[14:17:00] Cromz: rav3r, looks like the same stuff..
[14:17:00] rav3r: it is possible that my installation of fedor core 4 is missing some packages or something that is causing me to have trouble?
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[14:17:00] Caveman: have you added support in the kernel?
[14:18:00] rav3r: im sorry, im not sure what u mean?
[14:19:00] Cromz: rav3r, I doubt it. only ones that might be is the jfs support. but I run ext3 only cause I can do a data recovery on that filesystem ;)
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[14:21:00] rav3r: would i be better removine the lvm stuff i have done and just doing a jfs partition?
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[14:25:00] Cromz: rav3r, work your way through what you got ;) learning experance.. just remember pysical disk, volume group, logical volume. in that order.
[14:26:00] rav3r: i feel like i am in over my head
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[14:26:00] rav3r: this is the first time i've ever worked with linux
[14:26:00] Cromz: jump in both feet.. lol
[14:27:00] stuarta: lvm does sort of fall under advanced linux....
[14:27:00] rav3r: i am seeing that
[14:27:00] rav3r: but i just don't know what i should do at this point
[14:28:00] stuarta: if you want to be able to add storage for myth in the future, persist with lvm
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[14:28:00] benh: hrm... stupid question
[14:29:00] stuarta: otherwise, go simple and just use ext3
[14:29:00] benh: MythDVD isn't client/server... I mean, the DVD has to be in the drive of the machine runnig mtd
[14:29:00] benh: which itself has to be the machine where the movies are stored
[14:29:00] benh: or did I miss something ?
[14:29:00] benh: Can I put the DVD in the front end and have the mpeg2 data sent over the network for transcoding on a backend
[14:30:00] benh: or transcoded on the front-end and stored on the backend ?
[14:30:00] rav3r: when i do at fdisk p, i see /hda4 ... extended and then /hda5 ... linux LVM, can you tell me if that sounds right so far?
[14:30:00] stuarta: yep. correct
[14:31:00] rav3r: so that would be the volume group in pysical disk, volume group, logical volume mentioned before?
[14:31:00] stuarta: hda5 = physical
[14:31:00] stuarta: which becomes part of a volume group
[14:32:00] stuarta: which is used to make a logical volume
[14:32:00] stuarta: which can contain a filesystem.
[14:32:00] rav3r: k
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[14:34:00] stuarta: a very ugly picture is here http://www.feep.net/AIX/lvm/big-picture.html
[14:36:00] Cromz: that's not ugly. it's fugly ;)
[14:36:00] stuarta: :)
[14:36:00] rav3r: thanks for the visual
[14:36:00] rav3r: ok, i tried vgcreate video /dev/hda5 (and i tried hda4) and i get "no such file or directory"
[14:37:00] stuarta: vg=volume group, hda5=physical.
[14:37:00] stuarta: try pvcreate
[14:38:00] rav3r: i thought that command was to create the vg "video" on the physical "hda5"
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[14:38:00] rav3r: ok, i'll try that
[14:38:00] stuarta: hda -> pv -> lv -> lg -> ext3, jfs etc...
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[14:40:00] rav3r: ok, just tried pvcreate /dev/hda5 and got the "no such file or directory"
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[14:41:00] rav3r: i saw this on the top of http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipethreescsi.html#AEN1036
[14:41:00] Cromz: rav3r, you are root and in the lvm konsole part?
[14:42:00] rav3r: i am root in the linux console
[14:42:00] Cromz: rav3r, type lvm
[14:42:00] Cromz: you get the lvm> prompt. then use the commands :)
[14:42:00] rav3r: command not found
[14:42:00] Cromz: /sbin/lvm
[14:43:00] rav3r: > /sbin/lvm gets "no such file or directory"
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[14:43:00] stuarta: pvcreate /dev/hda5 should work...
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[14:44:00] Spum: Hey there
[14:44:00] Spum: say i wanted to take some screenshots from my TV, of a Ps2 game
[14:44:00] Spum: How would i do that exactly
[14:44:00] Cromz: rav3r, do a locate or find for pvcreate
[14:44:00] Spum: well, just of the TV
[14:44:00] Cromz: rav3r, it might be in /usr/sbin/ dir.
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[14:50:00] rav3r: whohoo! found it in usr bin, "/dev/hda secessfully created" !!!
[14:50:00] stuarta: hmmm, hope you meant to type hda5
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[14:50:00] Cromz: ok back to you stuarta ;) lol where was you last week when I was looking at this for my yam server ;) j/k
[14:51:00] stuarta: around somewhere. Not always here daytime.
[14:51:00] rav3r: yea, hda5
[14:51:00] rav3r: oops
[14:51:00] stuarta: if you did pvcreate /dev/hda then insert your installation disk and begin again.
[14:52:00] stuarta: otherwise, we can proceed.
[14:52:00] stuarta: :)
[14:52:00] Cromz: lol
[14:52:00] rav3r: lol, yea
[14:52:00] rav3r: ok, then i did vgcreate video /dev/hda5
[14:52:00] rav3r: that said video was created
[14:52:00] rav3r: is that all i have to do?
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[14:53:00] stuarta: still 1 more step in the howto before filesystem creation.
[14:53:00] rav3r: oh, the lvcreate?
[14:53:00] stuarta: yep.
[14:53:00] Spum: Okay; what kind of card should i get
[14:54:00] Spum: which will have stuff for plugging into your TV, so you can capture from it
[14:54:00] rav3r: what is -L1G, is that just whatever I want to call it?
[14:54:00] stuarta: size
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[14:55:00] Cromz: there is a command to get the info for the blocks. hmm vgdisplay video
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[14:58:00] rav3r: can the size just be like "fill the disk" or something?
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[15:00:00] stuarta: I don't think there is
[15:01:00] stuarta: use vgdisplay, and find the num of PE's
[15:01:00] stuarta: then use lvcreate -l<num of extents> ......
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[15:02:00] rav3r: it says vg size 177.89 GB and PE 4.00 MG
[15:02:00] stuarta: total PE?
[15:03:00] rav3r: 45541
[15:03:00] stuarta: use that
[15:03:00] rav3r: is that going to be the size? 45541k?
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[15:04:00] stuarta: the PE 4Mb tells you each physical extent is 4Mb
[15:04:00] rav3r: what is a physical extent?
[15:04:00] sphing: that you make that bigger
[15:04:00] sphing: rav3r: the way the data is stored on disk
[15:05:00] sphing: that = can... can you make that bigger?
[15:05:00] rav3r: i need to make it bigger?
[15:05:00] stuarta: and we are telling it to use 45541 of them
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[15:05:00] sphing: rav3r: you dont _need_ to do anything
[15:06:00] sphing: i'm saying, if you could make it bigger it could potentially speed things up
[15:06:00] rav3r: how big should it be, and how do i change it?
[15:06:00] stuarta: sphing: that's in LVM201, not LVM101
[15:06:00] stuarta: rav3r: don't worry about that
[15:06:00] sphing: i dont know how to change, and how should it be is like "what is the meaning of life"
[15:07:00] rav3r: ok
[15:07:00] sphing: stuarta: lol...
[15:07:00] stuarta: just lvcreate -l45541 -n<logical volume name> <volume_group_name>
[15:07:00] sphing: anyway i got class
[15:07:00] stuarta: lvm201?
[15:07:00] sphing: lol.. that was last semester
[15:08:00] sphing: network security and digital design :)
[15:08:00] stuarta: must be up to lvm202
[15:08:00] stuarta: :-)
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[15:08:00] rav3r: i did lvcreate -145541 video
[15:09:00] rav3r: and it said lvo10 created
[15:09:00] stuarta: default name
[15:09:00] rav3r: that cool?
[15:09:00] stuarta: means you will end up with /dev/video/lvo10 mounted as /video
[15:09:00] rav3r: you guys rock
[15:10:00] stuarta: don't forget the filesystem.
[15:10:00] rav3r: i have to run to work now, i'll check that later
[15:10:00] rav3r: thanks again!
[15:11:00] stuarta: no probs
[15:12:00] znoG: strange, my LiveTV recordings are being expired shortly after I finish watching liveTV ??
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[15:14:00] GreyFoxx: If they are under 2 minutes they will be
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: or if you are extremely low on disk space they will be
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[15:16:00] znoG: ahh under 2 minutes
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[15:16:00] znoG: thanks GreyFoxx  :)
[15:16:00] GreyFoxx: under 2 minutes are deleted almost immediately
[15:19:00] znoG: yep
[15:19:00] znoG: and that works well :)
[15:20:00] znoG: i've been changing my settings for the encoding (tried RTJPEG, MPEG4) and the .nuv file still grows at 1MB/sec approx... is that normal or does it take place *after* the recording?
[15:20:00] znoG: (the encoding, that is)
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[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: No, it's encoded as it comes in
[15:22:00] znoG: right, so I don't get it then why the changes aren't making any difference
[15:22:00] stuarta: znoG: you using dvb?
[15:22:00] znoG: i tried going from best quality to poorest
[15:23:00] znoG: stuarta: no, standard analog v4l
[15:23:00] GreyFoxx: I assume you have a framegrabber/bttv card
[15:23:00] Kel-kippin: sure your changing the right profile?
[15:23:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: yes
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[15:24:00] znoG: Kel-kippin: no, i'm not actually :) i'm modifying the LiveTV profile under "software encoders (v4l based)"
[15:24:00] znoG: but I'm seriously doubting it's the right profile
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: Honestly I haven't looked at those setting in years since I took the last framegrabber out of my setup
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: And your are seeing a livetv recording frow like that or a non livetv recording ?
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: frow/grow
[15:25:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: a liveTV rec, yep
[15:27:00] GreyFoxx: I honestly don't know why you wouldn't see a difference, do you see a visual difference ? And I assume you are starting/stopping livetv in between these changes
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[15:29:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: yes, of course, I go into TV settings, make changes, and watch TV again
[15:30:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: check this out -> i made big changes to the profile between these tests, for the same duration, and check out the size of the files:
[15:30:00] znoG: -rw-r--r-- 1 gs users 181M Jan 23 12:20 5013_20060123121713.nuv
[15:30:00] znoG: -rw-r--r-- 1 gs users 183M Jan 23 12:29 5013_20060123122713.nuv
[15:30:00] znoG: practically the same
[15:30:00] znoG: no big difference on what I see either
[15:31:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: do I need to enable "transcoding" on the profile for the changes to take effect?
[15:31:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[15:31:00] GreyFoxx: No
[15:31:00] GreyFoxx: the recording profile settings are read from the database before each recording is started
[15:31:00] GreyFoxx: transcoding is not part of that process
[15:32:00] znoG: ok, cool
[15:32:00] znoG: then, the only thing I can think of is that I'm modifying the wrong profile
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[15:34:00] ivor: gaaah why do people report bugs, ask for help and then only give you half the information.
[15:34:00] ivor: is it just to be annoying and waste time? or just stupidity?
[15:34:00] m1k3: how are you getting dated .nuv files by watching live tv? live tv is usually stored in the ringbuf?
[15:34:00] ivor: rant rant rant
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: m1k3: Not in SVN
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: the ringbuffer is no more
[15:35:00] m1k3: ah... good to know
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[15:44:00] rjune: at the main menu, when I hit 'esc' the UI freezes for about 30 seconds, then shows the do you want to quit screen. Does anybody have any idea whyit would do that?
[15:44:00] Merlin83b: Because quitting is bad, mmkay?
[15:45:00] rjune: LOL
[15:45:00] rjune: it doesn't do it on all my mythboxes, just some
[15:45:00] rjune: and I wish I knew why.
[15:50:00] ivor: rjune: random stabs in the dark.... dns timeout of some sort? hard disk spin up?
[15:51:00] rjune: hostname is in /etc/hosts.
[15:51:00] rjune: I would think it's a database thing, but I can't see db access for exit
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[15:55:00] stuarta: generic hdd thrashing?
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[15:56:00] ivor: lazy computer?
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[16:01:00] Ediehow: anyone upgrade to lirc .8?
[16:05:00] juski: GreyFoxx: you asked if it's a cost-saving move onthe part of the company.. no idea, but whatever it is, it's pissed everybody off
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: I can imagine
[16:07:00] Ediehow: i still get output when i cat /dev/ttyS0 and i hit buttons on my remote
[16:07:00] Ediehow: but nothing from lirc .8?
[16:07:00] laga: who needs satisfied workers nowadays? :/
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[16:09:00] Ediehow: wait, it's just for certain buttons
[16:09:00] Ediehow: that's screwed up
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[16:09:00] juski: worked out I'll be doing 15,000 miles a year when the move happens
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: A friend of mine worked for a company that moved it's offices, they claimed it was a better location, and several other BS reasons. later he came to find out from a disgruntled executive assistant that the main reason of the move was a much cheaper rental cost which made profits that higher and got the CEO a larger bonus :)
[16:11:00] juski: 21.5 days a year spent in the car. I don't get much more than that in holidays
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: The fact that it threw 150 employees into turmoil didn't matter :)
[16:12:00] juski: yeh well we've already summised it's so we can be near our esteemed tyrannical leader
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[16:12:00] Merlin83b: juski: Didn't catch where the move was to?
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[16:13:00] juski: Merlin83b: warrington – ish
[16:13:00] Merlin83b: Oh right, t'other side of Manchester for you then.
[16:13:00] juski: yeh.. the wrong way round the m60
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: My commute home is 15km, and both ends of the journey are next to the highway, so on a good day I'm home in 15–20 minutes max
[16:13:00] Merlin83b: My commute home is a 5 minute walk :-)
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: I use to live closer and it literally took 3–4 minutes
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[16:13:00] Ediehow: hi
[16:13:00] stuarta: one side of London to the other :(
[16:14:00] juski: but hey at least they're working out the logos that'll be on the sign
[16:14:00] Merlin83b: 5 minutes includes the ride in the lift at each end :-)
[16:14:00] juski: heh
[16:14:00] juski: this is the furthest away from work I've ever lived and it can take an hour to get here sometimes (10 miles)
[16:14:00] Merlin83b: Blimey.
[16:15:00] stuarta: traffic sucks.
[16:16:00] juski: if there were any jobs in electronics where I used to live I'd move back there
[16:16:00] juski: houses are cheaper. it'll cost less to insure my car & house....
[16:16:00] Merlin83b: Where was that?
[16:17:00] juski: County Durham
[16:17:00] Merlin83b: Oh, quite a move!
[16:17:00] juski: still not sure if I like it here
[16:17:00] ** GreyFoxx is pondering going back to his previous employer. I'm quite bored here **
[16:17:00] Merlin83b: How long ago did you move?
[16:18:00] juski: whenever we talk about having kids we've always been quite horrified to realise they'll grow up speaking Mancunian
[16:18:00] juski: bout 9 years ago
[16:18:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:18:00] Ediehow: hey if you get audio buffer underruns in myth
[16:18:00] Ediehow: despite turning on extra audio buffering?
[16:18:00] Merlin83b: I know people who've had kids here and they don't sound Mancunian.
[16:18:00] Merlin83b: I moved here 8 years ago and have similar concerns :-)
[16:19:00] juski: heheh
[16:19:00] Merlin83b: Ediehow: Using 0.18.1 and DVB by any chance?
[16:19:00] juski: maybe speaking mancs is small fish compared to the worst case scenario (being red)
[16:19:00] Ediehow: mythtv-0.18.1–117.rhfc4.at
[16:19:00] Ediehow: how do i determine dvb?
[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: Ediehow: You likely wouldn't have to ask if you were using a DVB card
[16:20:00] Ediehow: i
[16:20:00] Ediehow: 150mce
[16:20:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[16:24:00] Ediehow: dude, what HAPPENED to lirc
[16:24:00] Ediehow: sheesh
[16:25:00] bjohnson: here's a bunch of video experts .. I have a .ts file sent to me from someone who got it from their PVR. Is there any way I can watch it? Tried mplayer, xine, avidemux, and vlc
[16:26:00] stuarta: at a guess, I'd say it needs demuxing to a PS stream.
[16:27:00] sona: mplayer should play both ? xine aswell
[16:27:00] galorin: Well, following on from advice recieved from juski and others, re dvb-eit, and dtv_multiplex table... None of the muxes have a transportid or networkid, and I'm not able to find the patch for dvb-eit.  :(
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[16:31:00] bjohnson: stuarta: how can I do that? I thought avidemux would handle that type of thing
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[16:35:00] flithm: hey everyone... I know this isn't mythtv related, but I figured I'd ask anyway... I'm trying to configure lirc and the remote from my hauppauge wintv 150... I've loaded the kernel module and can see it attaches itself to the card... I've started lircd, but I don't get any output from the sensor when I press buttons... anyone got any ideas for me?
[16:35:00] stuarta: you would need a dvb demuxer.
[16:36:00] ivor: bjohnson: grab the utils from linuxtv.org
[16:36:00] flithm: I just checked the remote with a digital camera and I can see it transmitting codes, so the batteries definitely work :)
[16:37:00] ivor: bjohnson: you can then pipe the PS from the TS into mplayer.
[16:38:00] bjohnson: ok. I'll check it out
[16:39:00] ivor: googoogogoogggle.... viola: http://www.carfax.org.uk/docs/DVB/ has some example dvbstream command lines.
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[16:39:00] bjohnson: is linuxtv-dvb-1.1.1.tar.bz2 the file containing the utils?
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[16:58:00] coffee88: Anyone around who's a hardware hacker? I'd like to add some i2c stuff to my myth box....
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[17:01:00] wibbit: Hello All
[17:02:00] wibbit: Looking for some advice
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[17:02:00] wibbit: Does any one have any recomendations for Speakers to go with a myth setup?
[17:02:00] wibbit: I'm looking for 5.1 and above
[17:02:00] wibbit: price range £200 -> £400
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[17:03:00] galorin: wibbit, my bro-in-law just bought speakers for his myth setup
[17:04:00] wibbit: galorin, I don't suppose you know the make/model?
[17:04:00] wibbit: Ideally looking for some thing that would use the digital out (optical) from the soundcard on the motherboard.
[17:05:00] Merlin83b: Logitech and the like do crappy ones (okay, not totally crappy) but it depends on what you're looking for.
[17:05:00] galorin: He got Wharfdale ones, but not a 5.1 setup. Here's what the expert said. The DAC in most 5.1 theater systems is crap. As well as you can't get enough speakers with enough range to do a 5.1 setup for your price range if you want good sound.
[17:06:00] Merlin83b: You're probably better off going to a hifi shop and taking advice.
[17:06:00] Merlin83b: If your budget is fixed and you really want 5.1, go to somewhere like Richer Sounds.
[17:06:00] wibbit: Okay, I shall modify my question slightly.
[17:07:00] wibbit: In the myth setup, it's got a section that seems to suggest that Myth acts as nothing more than a passthrough, to send certain data down the optical cable.
[17:07:00] wibbit: I'm assuming this is to send the encoded data to an Amp, which would then decode the data, and forward it on to the speakers
[17:07:00] Merlin83b: Direct AC3 passthrough thing.
[17:07:00] wibbit: That's the one
[17:07:00] Merlin83b: Yes, you need an amp with optical in.
[17:07:00] Merlin83b: If they have that they'll be fine.
[17:08:00] Merlin83b: Some of those cheap 5/6 speaker sets have that but you get what you pay for really.
[17:08:00] wibbit: I'm not sure what AC3 stands for, but how would that work with things like Dolby Digital etc.
[17:08:00] Merlin83b: AC3 is Dolby Digital :-)
[17:08:00] wibbit: is a £200 ->£400 range cheap?
[17:08:00] Merlin83b:
[17:09:00] galorin: a 5.1 amp with optical in and a decent digital decoder is going to be pricey
[17:09:00] wibbit: yes, well, lets stay a little relative
[17:09:00] galorin: wibbit, yes
[17:09:00] Merlin83b:
[17:09:00] wibbit: arse
[17:10:00] Merlin83b: It really depends on what you want.
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[17:10:00] wibbit: Though, saying that, I'm not an audiophile
[17:10:00] wibbit: If that's spealt correctly
[17:10:00] Merlin83b:
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[17:11:00] wibbit: That's the main thing I don't want, overly tiny, or distortion
[17:11:00] sPiN: hello all, can anyone tell me why mythweb spits out gibberish when i try to view it in a browser?
[17:11:00] wibbit: But, I am in a block of flats, so I wouldn't feel comfortable having it ramped up at full volume.
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: Go to Richer Sounds, tell them your budget and tell them what you want to use it for (watching films from DVD they'll understand) and see what they can do.
[17:11:00] sPiN: i have followed the directions in the readme and had no obvious trouble doing so
[17:11:00] wibbit: Merlin83b, Thanks for that, there is one just up the road from me.
[17:12:00] Merlin83b: sPiN: Gibberish isn't much use. Post it somewhere so we can have a look.
[17:12:00] wibbit: My only other concern is whether or not optical out from my motherboards sound card will work.
[17:12:00] sPiN: it wont let me post...
[17:12:00] sPiN: it is all funky characters
[17:12:00] Merlin83b: wibbit: That we can't answer. Open the plug and see if it glows red :-)
[17:12:00] wibbit: I'm assuming that if I'm just passing the data un-modified to the amp, it doesn't matter what sound card I use.
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[17:12:00] Merlin83b: sPiN: a URL would be good...
[17:12:00] kormoc: sPiN, try disabling gzip in the php.ini
[17:12:00] wibbit: if it's glowing it's working?
[17:12:00] Merlin83b: Yep
[17:12:00] wibbit: wooooooo
[17:12:00] sPiN: ahhhh kormoc that would make sense of the gibberish!
[17:13:00] sPiN: muchos gracias
[17:13:00] kormoc: tis the thought, aye. You can thank me if it works :)
[17:13:00] juski: 5.1 amp with coax & optical in, 80Watts per channel, better than Technics shite (Yamaha).. less than £200 from Superfi.co.uk
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[17:14:00] juski: £200 100W active sub, £300 floorstanding speakers, £100 centre speaker, £200 surrounds.. sounds mighty damn fine
[17:15:00] wibbit: that's £800
[17:15:00] juski: that's £800 worth of speakers
[17:16:00] sona: are there any built-in login system for mythweb ?
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[17:16:00] wylie: is enabling xv picture controls the same as enabling xvmc ?
[17:16:00] juski: you're never gonna get good quality 5.1 sets for less than £500 IMHO, not if you like your action films & loud music
[17:16:00] juski: wylie: no
[17:17:00] sPiN: i agree with juski, id rather have good 2.1 than bad 5.1
[17:17:00] wylie: juski: I don't see the option to enable xvmc specifically in tv settings | playback.... where is that?
[17:17:00] wibbit: juski, did you ever notice if you go to http://superfi.co.uk/ it asks for a username/pass?
[17:17:00] juski: wylie: you only get it if it's compiled into mythtv
[17:18:00] juski: and wylie: in the SVN version there's no check box for it... it's under setup > tv > playback > decoding method (definitely in tv playback settings)
[17:18:00] juski: wibbit: never noticed
[17:18:00] wylie: ah, ok. will check that out
[17:19:00] wylie: and xvmc-pro is ?
[17:19:00] juski: there if you built mythtv with support for that
[17:21:00] juski: right I'm off home. had enough today
[17:21:00] ivor: juski: whoa nearly half five. blimey a long day for you.
[17:25:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[17:33:00] qfour20: Hi everyone. I'm having some trouble with mythmusic getting unresolved symbols (_ZNK9QGLWidget9classNameEv) after a fresh emerge and am wondering if anyone has seen this behavior before?
[17:33:00] qfour20: if i build mythmusic *without* opengl support, it will work, but the fft visualizations don't work :-(
[17:33:00] qfour20: any ideas?
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[17:38:00] wylie: welp, looks like my nVidia Corporation NV18GL [Quadro4 380 XGL] (rev a2) does NOT like XvMC
[17:39:00] qfour20: is xvmc used for post processing, or just display filters?
[17:40:00] sPiN: wylie: WTH are you using a quadro 4 card for a mythbox
[17:40:00] ivor: mosaic video wall? :)
[17:41:00] qfour20: "professional" quality dvd watching
[17:41:00] wylie: mympain productivity workstation (almost never reboot it) is also my primary mythbackend. It's a dual Xeon and occasionally I use it as a frontend.
[17:43:00] wylie: since my main frontend (driving a plasma) is an ATI X300 (unfortunately, because I needed PCI-X SFF) doesn't do XvMC — so thought I would see if the Quadro4 could — it can't
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[17:47:00] kormoc: wylie, what do you mean it can't?
[17:47:00] galorin: rats, I'm stil getting really slow video playback on SVN. DMA is on, stopped using the on-air guide, and tried using RadioTimes, What am I missing?
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[17:48:00] wylie: kormoc; well, when XvMC is selected — as soon as it goes to play recorded or livetv, the nvidia bootup screen pops up and the system bumps me back to the gdm login
[17:52:00] kormoc: wylie, what does your xorg logs say?
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[17:58:00] wylie: kormoc; I didn't parse right after trying (to capture relevant xorg logs)... I'll have to circle back and try it again later today (paying closer attention to what is happening on the system, what is logged).
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[18:28:00] galorin: juski, could you point me towards the dvb-eit patch you mentioned earlier? I tried switching across to the radiotimes grab plugin, but that didn't stop the slowdowns. Still getting "prebuffering pause" messages.
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[18:55:00] xris: heh, realnetworks is getting into the pvr market (maybe)
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[18:58:00] dc: anyone here good with lirc?
[19:01:00] juski: galorin: there's an SVN ticket for it
[19:02:00] juski: number 1057 I think
[19:04:00] juski: well I've done all my sums now.. that workplace move is going to cost me £2000 a year or more, and a months' worth of travelling. Great. And a search of all the employment agencies has shown no vacancies in things I can do here or anywhere I want to be. So it looks like I'm staying with this employer for now :-/
[19:04:00] GreyFoxx: Are they planning to compensate employees in anyway ?
[19:05:00] GreyFoxx: Or is it one of those "your having a job is compensation enough" kind of things ?
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[19:07:00] dc: can someone tell me where mythtv looks for lircd? i think i broke mine
[19:08:00] juski: GreyFoxx: nothing is clear yet, though it's been said they're 'looking at different things'
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: :/
[19:08:00] juski: I'd say give me a payrise or less working hours, a satnav with traffic avoidance ;-) and I'll be happier
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
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[19:09:00] juski: and of course getting those 3 extra hours a day back that I'm going to lose.. that'd be nice too
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[19:09:00] GreyFoxx: 3 extra hours just to travel 30 extra miles each way ?
[19:09:00] GreyFoxx: Wow
[19:10:00] juski: yep
[19:10:00] laga: get them to pay for you speeding tickets :)
[19:10:00] juski: Great British traffic
[19:10:00] GreyFoxx: Crazy
[19:10:00] GreyFoxx: Hehe My GF is constantly wanting me to look for work over there, or try to get a tranfer over there.
[19:10:00] juski: why?
[19:11:00] GreyFoxx: She's been over a few times and loves it. Wants to move there
[19:11:00] laga: they drive on the wrong side of the street o_O
[19:11:00] juski: hmmm.. she ever thought it's just a great place to visit? ;-)
[19:11:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I lived in Australia, I had to deal with that already :)
[19:11:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i'm sorry for ya. ;))
[19:11:00] GreyFoxx: juski: That's what I said heh
[19:12:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I'd go back there easily
[19:12:00] juski: like America – great place to visit.. wouldn't wanna live there
[19:12:00] kormoc: where would you want to live?
[19:12:00] GreyFoxx: I lived there for a year (back in 96). Loved it
[19:13:00] laga: juski: i'm probably gonna spend august in the US. sounds like fun, but no way i'm gonna live there
[19:13:00] juski: be nice to get out of bed and be at work. and no that doesn't mean living & working in a sports shoe factory in the Far East
[19:13:00] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't mind going to Europe just for the change, plus I enjoyed my last trip to Belgium/Amsterdam
[19:13:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Heh I agree
[19:14:00] juski: the grass is always greener on the other side, so they always say
[19:14:00] laga: GreyFoxx: come to germany and live in my neighbourhood so i can come over and drink your beer ;)
[19:14:00] juski: looked at train timing & prices.. it'd take half the time to travel but cost 5 times as much
[19:14:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Actually I wouldn't mind Germany for a while either
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: juski: Doh, that regular costs or for a travel pass ?
[19:15:00] juski: travel passes aren't valid on that route
[19:15:00] juski: good eh?
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Though I don't drink, so I'd have to buy beer for you to drink. But only if you help me learn the language
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: juski: Wow that sucks
[19:15:00] kormoc: juski, get your job to pay for the train
[19:15:00] juski: there's an option
[19:16:00] laga: GreyFoxx: that'd work, i have experience with that. the gf's german is coming along nicely ;)
[19:16:00] juski: and buy me a video ipod so I've got something to do on the journey to work ;-)
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: the GP2X looks like it might be nify
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: nifty
[19:16:00] juski: probably be able to watch TV in the car actually, since I won't technically be moving much
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.gbax.com/indexgp2x.html
[19:17:00] juski: btw rebuilding SVN from a couple of days ago with your EIT patch
[19:17:00] laga: yep, the gp2x sounds like a nice geek toy. much easier to hack than the darn psp
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Exactly
[19:17:00] juski: gonna see if that improves things.. if it does I'll be a slightly happier bunny
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: plus in a few days they are releasing all of their source
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: portable unit for games, video, tv out, mp3, etc etc
[19:18:00] juski: get some USB network driver on it... nifty mobile mythfrontend ;)
[19:19:00] laga: GreyFoxx: do you know anything about the quality of the tv-out?
[19:19:00] dc: is there a good place to go for mythtv help?
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Nope, took a few looks at some open source forums about it, but noone actually mentioned the tvout quality
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: dc: Here if someone is around that can help you, or of course the mailing list, and google
[19:20:00] laga: GreyFoxx: sad. well, i hope they did a good job at it
[19:20:00] juski: it's bound to use a recent device, so it should at least be 'good'
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[19:21:00] juski: when the source emerges, it'll be revealed anyway :)
[19:21:00] GreyFoxx: If I could get a couple gigs of storage for xvid files and so on I'd could see buying one
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[19:22:00] juski: £125 inclusive... seems like a good buy to me
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, and very hackable
[19:22:00] juski: wonder what the battery life is like though
[19:23:00] GreyFoxx: runs linux, they use mplayer for video playbackand it looks like there is a large following of people wanting to develop there own stuff for it
[19:23:00] GreyFoxx: especially once all of the source is out
[19:23:00] juski: I expect the TV out adapter is just to bring connections out to stuff you can use
[19:23:00] juski: it's not expensive at all
[19:24:00] juski: so maybe the TV encoder is built into the media processor.. in which case it's likely to be pretty damn good quality
[19:24:00] ** GreyFoxx wonders how much they would nail me to ship here :( **
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: juski: I think it is
[19:24:00] juski: wonder whose codec chip they've used
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[19:26:00] juski: magiceyes.. whoever they are
[19:26:00] juski: probably another fabless chip company like ChipWrights
[19:27:00] juski: www.mesdigital.com/english/Products/product_mmsp2.asp
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[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: I want one
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: Funny, it Mentions Mpeg1 and Mpeg4, but not Mpeg2
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[19:38:00] galorin: juski, ok, I've patched it, and am compiling, but it's dinnertime. You mentioned something about a tabl in the database. the dtv_multiplex table. transportid and networkid are missing for all entries.
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[19:45:00] juski: galorin: unless you've got another DB handy with good entries you might be a bit stuck unless you're good with the DVB scan util
[19:46:00] juski: GreyFoxx: MPEG1, 4 but no MPEG2? weird city
[19:46:00] wole: 'evnin all. Does anyone know how to get to the epg from watching tv mode (documentation says it's m, but it isn't)
[19:46:00] juski: wole: oh yes it is
[19:46:00] juski: press 'm' to get the menu up
[19:47:00] juski: then select the 1st entry on the menu which comes onscreen
[19:47:00] wole: juski: i get a menu that starts, edit recording, begin transcoding, aommercial auto skip etc...
[19:47:00] juski: that'd be the 'i' key normally I think
[19:48:00] juski: you've messed with the keybindings haven't you?
[19:48:00] wole: juski: no, i just pressed 'r' while looking for 'm' so it started recording (D'oh)
[19:49:00] juski: don't know if you can access the guide in record mode
[19:50:00] wole: you can't (unless you go the long way around) – as i just realised ;-)
[19:51:00] juski: problem solved then ;-)
[19:53:00] wole: indeed :)
[19:54:00] juski: this daft ubuntu box booted in 640x480 mode again.. guess that means the nvidia driver didn't load
[19:54:00] juski: heh.. quick restart of gdm put that right
[19:55:00] juski: got to show these buggers who's the boss
[19:55:00] wole: juski:I've been considering ubuntu, how are you getting on with no root account?
[19:55:00] juski: eh?
[19:55:00] kormoc: wole, there's a root, you just use sudo to do it more often then not
[19:56:00] juski: or just use root
[19:56:00] wole: you can't su -,i thought that oyou had to sudo everything
[19:56:00] Chutt: sudo -s
[19:56:00] juski: you can.. or just use root
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[19:57:00] kormoc: wole, sudo passwd. set the password, su – works
[19:57:00] juski: if I break it, it's my fault ;-)
[19:58:00] wole: fair enough, the guy that told me that must be confused. It was the only thing that has been putting me off. I should give it a go as everyone keeps raving about how wonderful it is.
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[20:11:00] Pitchin_uk: evening all
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[20:14:00] juski: hey Pitchin_uk
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[20:14:00] Pitchin_uk: juski: ive installed the plugins. How do i setup the web console??
[20:15:00] juski: mythweb?
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[20:15:00] Pitchin_uk: yeah
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[20:15:00] juski: unpack it (or copy it) into your webserver root directory
[20:15:00] juski: e.g. /var/www/htdocs/ .. put the mythweb directory in there ;-)
[20:16:00] juski: you need apache2 & php4 with MYSQL support for it to work..
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[20:17:00] GreyFoxx: well, php and mysql, but apache 1 or 2 is fine
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[20:17:00] juski: woo.. make install.. here goes erm.. something
[20:20:00] juski: lovely jubbly :)
[20:20:00] juski: GreyFoxx: you is indeed da man
[20:20:00] juski: mythbackend down to less than 10% CPU
[20:21:00] juski: mythfrontend is at about 50% playing live TV without xvmc
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[20:22:00] GreyFoxx: cool :)
[20:22:00] juski: channel change is still slow as hell but who cares.. it works
[20:22:00] juski: and no prebuggering pauses that I can see
[20:22:00] dtm: juski: mine takes 7 seconds on my silly setup due to playback buffering. but i dont have mythtv set up yet ;)
[20:22:00] juski: pity that patch isn't gonna make it into 0.19 or is it?
[20:23:00] juski: either way I'll need it to run 0.19
[20:23:00] juski: so at least there's been _some_ good news today :)
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: ehh
[20:24:00] juski: realised I could be a lot worse off actually
[20:24:00] laga: just have 0.19 + your custom patch set ;)
[20:24:00] juski: still gonna screw the company for everything they'll give me though ;)
[20:25:00] juski: btw.. been thinking of more stuff UI wise
[20:27:00] laga: you should down your ideas somewhere
[20:27:00] juski: played about with the idea of styling mythmusic along the lines of looking like some sort of front panel... it'd be pretty cool if the text could be behind a transparent texture, like a window
[20:27:00] juski: and if things go down the lines of having an OSD 'control panel' .. i.e. have a theme with buttons rather than menus there's even more scope for eye candy
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[20:28:00] nuxil: why is mythtv such a bicth to setup
[20:28:00] juski: it can be, but you've got to make it _your_ bitch ;)
[20:28:00] laga: yes
[20:28:00] laga: and it'll love you for it
[20:28:00] ** wole laughs **
[20:29:00] nuxil: lol
[20:29:00] nuxil: i just installed it,..
[20:29:00] juski: time for some cake
[20:29:00] nuxil: why doesnt it scan for my tv channels?
[20:30:00] juski: and I can power this hairdryer down
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[20:31:00] nuxil: mm sounds good.. fried hairdryer caked :P
[20:31:00] wole: mmmm, cake.
[20:32:00] juski: emergency fan on a GPU
[20:32:00] nuxil: err,,, crap
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[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: I believe there is some sort of analog cable scanning function in the there, I've just never used it
[20:33:00] laga: the analog scan only works in SVN
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: And it might not be in 0.18.x .. Might be in SVN only
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[20:33:00] laga: :)
[20:33:00] nuxil: is it worth the effort getting mythtv up and running?
[20:33:00] nuxil: im currently using kdetv
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: of course not, we all jst like to sit here and trick users into wasting their time
[20:33:00] nuxil: k.. thought so..
[20:34:00] wole: anyone know where i can find a more up to date tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids file?
[20:34:00] nuxil: i'll stic to kdetc then
[20:34:00] laga: and it doesn't save you work, ihmo. with mythfilldatabase --manual, you have to map stations to frequency ids. with the channel scan, you map frequency ids to stations. same difference :)
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[20:35:00] galorin: nuxil, mythtv is great for what it's designed for, but if you want to watch tv in a window while working, mythtv is a bit overkill.
[20:36:00] nuxil: galorin dont.. i eighter watch tv or not.. i dont work and watch tv.. no work gets done then
[20:36:00] nuxil: *i dont
[20:36:00] nuxil: but why is it so anoying to setup
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: I think he means if all you want is to watch TV, and not use it as a PV then it's not worth the effort
[20:37:00] nuxil: someone should make it easer to use :P
[20:37:00] nuxil: ahh,,
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: We anxiously await your patchesIf you want a PVR/Media machine, it's just about the best out there
[20:37:00] galorin: I'm sure they'd welcome the help nuxil ;)
[20:37:00] nuxil: well i would like to use that pvr
[20:37:00] wole: nuxil: go onthen ;-)
[20:38:00] nuxil: well i have installed it for now.. and i got alot of tools.. with it.. i dont know what to use
[20:39:00] nuxil: myth
[20:39:00] nuxil: mythbackend, mythfilldatabase, mythprogfind, mythtv-setup
[20:39:00] nuxil: mythcommflag, mythfrontend, mythtranscode, mythtvosd
[20:39:00] nuxil: mythepg and mythjobqueue
[20:39:00] nuxil: so many
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup configures the base backend setup, vidoe sources and capture cards
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: then mythbackend runs in the background actually controlling the capture cards and recorfing
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: mythfrontend is the gui interface for the user
[20:41:00] nuxil: k.. lemme try to set it up
[20:41:00] wole: nuxil: run mythtv-setup first
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: You might consider looking over the documentation on mythtv.org
[20:44:00] nuxil: yea i probealy need to do that..... i'll be back soon
[20:46:00] galorin: One of these days this PC needs a new CPU.
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[20:55:00] wole: :sigh: I'm really confused here. I have got this working before, but i have no idea how i managed it.
[20:55:00] wole: i scan for channels ok, look in database, channels all there, all good
[20:56:00] bjohnson: I'm now informed what I thought were ts files are actually pes files
[20:56:00] bjohnson: now I need to research ways to convert pes files to something useful
[20:57:00] wole: run mythfilldatabase, and all of a sudden there are loads of extra channels (from the .mythtv/xmltv file)
[20:57:00] Pitchin_uk: Juski: i now have apache running. how do i link it to mythweb
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[20:58:00] wole: and no program info.
[20:58:00] wole: do you have to have a really good antenna for the onairguide to work?
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[21:01:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: do what I did.. look at the mythtv.org docs & use google to find how-to guides. An apache tutorial for your distro would be a good read too
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[21:04:00] galorin: juski, that's me patched, about to see how livetv does with that patch.
[21:05:00] juski: it makes the world of difference, galorin
[21:05:00] juski: mythbackend went from 50–90% CPU to less than 10%, as it should be
[21:05:00] juski: should be lower by rights, but you can live with that
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[21:06:00] Freman: I need to work out how to shift a whole channel's guide backwards 30 minutes... the chan runs half an hour slower then the guide )c;
[21:07:00] Merlin83x: juski: That GreyFoxx's patches?
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[21:11:00] juski: yep
[21:13:00] juski: GreyFoxx's patch saved the day.. again
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[21:13:00] galorin: hmm..
[21:16:00] galorin: well, that didn't work. Last channel the tv was on was CBeebies, but it's no longer on-air and I can't change the channel.
[21:17:00] juski: galorin: oopsie
[21:17:00] juski: I thought that was fixed
[21:18:00] galorin: It gave me an error then dumped me back to the main menu. I guess it's been un-fixed...
[21:20:00] juski: so erm.. what's the 'default' channel for then?
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[21:21:00] Pitchin_uk: im getting php errors when i run http://localhost/mythweb
[21:22:00] galorin: Let me check that...
[21:22:00] juski: no I'm saying why is there a default channel option if livetv starts up on the last channel you watched?
[21:24:00] galorin: I suspect it's a user error now that you've pointed that out. I suspect I set the default to the number that CBeebies got re-assigned to.
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[21:29:00] Merlin83x: juski: Not sure, but I've seen the same behaviour as galorin in the past.
[21:29:00] Merlin83x: Those patches should get checked in right away, not wait for 0.20, GreyFoxx!
[21:29:00] laga: Merlin83x: looks like 0.19 won't have all the good stuff. :/
[21:30:00] Merlin83x: Apparently not. We'll have to carry on running SVN+patches.
[21:30:00] laga: yeah. :/
[21:31:00] galorin: According to mythtv-setup, the default channel gets changed to the last channel that you viewed. I set it to 1, (BBC One Scotland) and was then able to tune in, and the video is fine.
[21:31:00] galorin: Now I just need to get suspend2 working
[21:31:00] Chutt: the eit stuff is still completely optional
[21:31:00] Chutt: there's nothing forcing to use it, so it's not a priority to fix by 0.19.
[21:32:00] juski: Chutt: it's still needed for things like DVB Radio, but then that's not made it into 0.19 either
[21:32:00] juski: no big sweat ;)
[21:32:00] juski: it'll still be the best PVR bar none, open source or not
[21:32:00] Merlin83x: Chutt: Just that the patches seem to solve a lot of people's problems.
[21:32:00] galorin: I'd like DVB radio... bro-in-law is going to throw a fit over not getting it.
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[21:33:00] Merlin83x: I'm happy to carry on with SVN myself but quite a few people have tried them out and reported success.
[21:33:00] juski: galorin: the answer's simple.. just get 0.19 when it's out & patch it yerself
[21:33:00] juski: or just use SVN.. apart from this EIT issue it's been stable for me
[21:33:00] Merlin83x: Me too.
[21:33:00] wylie: Me 3.
[21:34:00] galorin: Also, eit isn't optional for him. He aint getting a net connection for 6 months
[21:34:00] Merlin83x: SVN and patch works galorin – he doesn't have to know it's not a proper release ;-)
[21:35:00] galorin: He already thinks it's a proper release. Thinks I should start selling 'em.
[21:35:00] Merlin83x: Hehe
[21:35:00] Merlin83x: I'm certain you wouldn't be the first to have considered it.
[21:35:00] juski: even if it needed a reboot a week it'd still be better than MCE, and it's unlikely it'd ever crash so bad you lose all your recordings like Sky Plus can
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[21:35:00] galorin: I'm not even considering it. Labor alone would be £300+
[21:35:00] juski: now have four friends who've got Sky Plus, and not one of them is still on their first box
[21:35:00] galorin: and that's at a discounted rate
[21:35:00] Pitchin_uk: excuse my ignorance but im confused. Do i put a index.html in the document root path
[21:36:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: you using SVN or 0.18 mythweb?
[21:36:00] Pitchin_uk: 0.18
[21:36:00] juski: if you put the mythweb directory in the root of your web server directory, you need to use
[21:37:00] juski: http://ip.address/mythweb/
[21:37:00] juski: the last slash is important
[21:37:00] juski: like when you've had too much to drink ;)
[21:37:00] galorin: ok, so how do I get this eit working? I set it up, and ran mythfilldatabase, but it didn't retrieve any channel data.
[21:37:00] juski: galorin: it works in the background
[21:38:00] juski: set 'useonairguide' for each channel in the channel editor or your favourite SQL mangler
[21:38:00] Pitchin_uk: i do and it tries to jump to program listing .php which errors
[21:38:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: okay, which error?
[21:38:00] buu: So, I've got a basic myth install going on
[21:38:00] Pitchin_uk: where can i paste it??
[21:38:00] buu: I can see myth front end and all that good stuff. How do I get svideo out?
[21:38:00] juski: could be that you don't have php with mysql support, or that php isn't being loaded by apache
[21:39:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: pastebin.com
[21:39:00] galorin: ok, let's try that then.
[21:40:00] Pitchin_uk: http://pastebin.com/519729
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[21:41:00] juski: uh.. seen that before. damned if I can remember how to fixumify it though
[21:42:00] black_Nightmare: any of you had any experience with the via epia boards?
[21:42:00] black_Nightmare: for mythtv distro that is yeah
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[21:42:00] juski: black_Nightmare: I use minimyth on my M10k
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[21:43:00] black_Nightmare: juski..nice..is that the MII10000 or just M10000?
[21:43:00] juski: just the 10k
[21:43:00] juski: love it..
[21:44:00] black_Nightmare: heh what kind of recording you do with it? (and what format?)
[21:44:00] juski: I don't record with it
[21:44:00] black_Nightmare: oh hm...ty anyhow
[21:44:00] juski: but.. there's someone not a million miles away from here who does, isn't there Merlin83b ? ;)
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[21:45:00] black_Nightmare: me just wondering about the idea of if an epia with 90 degree riser encoder card could be used as a low-noise small recorder box. its only thoughts so far
[21:45:00] juski: black_Nightmare: people are using them with 2 slot PCI riser cards & 2 DVB / PVR tuner cards
[21:46:00] black_Nightmare: I'll just need one card alone probably..catv-in with onboard encoder
[21:46:00] juski: and careful you don't go too small with the case.. or at least ventilate it carefully
[21:46:00] black_Nightmare: juski...heh you should see the cases for the fanless epia's
[21:46:00] juski: I know.. teeny tiny
[21:47:00] black_Nightmare: some are quite small (and even one car 12V one has a funny oval ends shape to it)
[21:47:00] juski: every time someone's DVD player breaks I open it up to see if I could fit my board in there
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[21:47:00] black_Nightmare: hehe
[21:47:00] black_Nightmare: tell you something
[21:47:00] juski: not much point making it smaller than a regular DVD player IMHO
[21:47:00] galorin: ok, all the channels have the on air guide checkbox checked. So can I force a channel update?
[21:48:00] black_Nightmare: I tried start a project with old vcr (the wider type) case...never got beyond just loosely fitting the parts in .. gave up interest (because no way an ATX psu could shoe in and I didn't even know what a dc-dc psu was back then meh)
[21:48:00] black_Nightmare: the motherboard and one low pci video card DID fit..together with one hd and zip drive (cdrom was too bulky) ... only the psu did not
[21:48:00] black_Nightmare: :->
[21:48:00] juski: heh. you should see the 250W PSU I sourced for one of my company's products a while back
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[21:49:00] juski: and you can do amazing things with external power bricks & DC-DC converter boards these days
[21:50:00] Niklas_E: does mythtv-0.18.1 support mysql5? or do I need the cvs for that?
[21:51:00] Freman: http://www.elx.com.au/item/ELS4102 <- mobo, dc-dc, in box with external psu : room for 1 ide and one pci card, and one slim line cd
[21:51:00] juski: need SVN for mysql5 support I think
[21:53:00] juski: gonna look into getting a custom-machined front for my frontend one of these days
[21:53:00] juski: need an IR window
[21:53:00] black_Nightmare: hm that reminds me
[21:53:00] laga: Niklas_E: i think you could use the 0.18.2 branch, http://svn.mythtv.org – i'm not sure, though.
[21:53:00] black_Nightmare: I wish there was some way to find a source AT ALL for these generic slimline disk drives :-|
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[21:53:00] laga: Niklas_E: look at related discussions at www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[21:54:00] black_Nightmare: one itx store I knew of has limited their stocks to only for prebuilt systems :-/
[21:54:00] Freman: http://www.elx.com.au/srch?searchwords=slimli . . . artial=exact <- slimline drives
[21:55:00] juski: I could probably mod the box so I can fit a full size drive.. it's just the slot that needs to be slim in an LC02 case really
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[21:56:00] Freman: http://www.elx.com.au/item/bfOP70144 <- this slimline will burn dvd's for yah (c:
[21:56:00] Niklas_E: tnx
[21:56:00] black_Nightmare: $66aud??? that is WAY too much
[21:56:00] black_Nightmare: :-|
[21:56:00] black_Nightmare: bleah
[21:56:00] Freman: Or for something realy trendy – a slot loading dvd dual layer: http://www.elx.com.au/item/bfOP70143
[21:57:00] Freman: 66 aud is like 40 usd
[21:57:00] Freman: we still pay as much as $150 aud for full sized burners (c:
[21:58:00] juski: you could always go out & buy a Blu-Ray 8-Track/Betamax drive next year
[21:59:00] wole: it looks like the blu-ray hd-dvd thing is gonna ba like dvd+r and dvd-r, everyone is going to support both
[21:59:00] Freman: hi ho – off to work i go
[21:59:00] juski: yeah yeah
[21:59:00] black_Nightmare: freman.... a standard disk drive is like $5-$8cdn
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[22:00:00] black_Nightmare: ugh
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[22:00:00] juski: we need an alien invasion.. they can do away with religion, distro & desktop wars.. and they can sort out the next DVD format while they're at it
[22:01:00] laga: we need aliens who are hot chicks
[22:01:00] juski: never mind 6 of 9... just plain old 69
[22:01:00] laga: yummy
[22:02:00] pld: hi all
[22:02:00] pld: was curious if anyone had any information/help on modelines for use on a dvi-hdmi hdtv connection
[22:03:00] kormoc: did you look at the modeline database?
[22:03:00] dtm: do i need xmltv in order for zap2it to work?
[22:04:00] pld: i wasn't aware a modeline db existed :(
[22:04:00] pld: could you point me to it?
[22:04:00] kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database
[22:04:00] dtm: doesn't mythtv need xmltv in order to make requests via soap to zap2it.com?
[22:04:00] Chutt: no.
[22:05:00] Chutt: why would it need xmltv to generate the request?
[22:05:00] dtm: Chutt: that's what i just asked.
[22:05:00] dtm: Chutt: so, ok.
[22:06:00] pld: thx kormoc
[22:06:00] dtm: zap2it.com's signup questionnaire implies that it operates in tandem with xmltv somehow
[22:06:00] Chutt: there's an xmltv grabber for it, sure
[22:06:00] Chutt: but i don't see why anyone would think it's tied to xmltv.
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[22:12:00] nuxil: how do i set up this mysql thing for mythtv?
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[22:13:00] nuxil: mysqld not started.. it FAIL's
[22:14:00] nuxil: 2006-01–23 23:14:23.528 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[22:14:00] nuxil: blah
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[22:14:00] kormoc: niceness! I love it when it fails!
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[22:14:00] nuxil: pff
[22:15:00] nuxil: omg,, what to do
[22:15:00] pld: PART
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[22:15:00] kormoc: nuxil, you could just say, read the documentation!
[22:15:00] galorin: It looks like setting up suspend2 is going to be a right pain to set up. Anyone use suspend to disk?
[22:15:00] nuxil: kormoc dudh..
[22:16:00] pld: PART
[22:16:00] kormoc: pld, it's /part
[22:17:00] pld: yeah, i tried it
[22:17:00] pld: strange it won't work
[22:17:00] pld: PART
[22:17:00] kormoc: pld, you're not putting the slash on it
[22:17:00] kormoc: we're seeing you say part over and over again
[22:18:00] pld: sorry, i am putting the slash, but its getting stripped i think
[22:18:00] pld: \/part
[22:18:00] pld: grr
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[22:18:00] Ediehow: some doofus on viaforums said my hardware is too old to multitask for video and such
[22:19:00] black_Nightmare: edie..its not :p
[22:19:00] Ediehow: i know it's not, i don't know what he was smoking
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[22:19:00] kormoc: Ediehow, oddly enough, I had the same thing happen to my box as what happens to yours, but a restart of X fixed it.
[22:19:00] Ediehow: kormoc: which is what?
[22:19:00] kormoc: skippy when scrolling in a web browser
[22:19:00] Ediehow: oh ok
[22:20:00] Ediehow: i don't know what the deal is:O
[22:20:00] Ediehow: it's not using that much cpu
[22:20:00] Ediehow: kormoc: are you familiar with audio buffer underrun error?
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[22:20:00] kormoc: yeah, you need to enable the extra audio buffer thing in the frontend setup
[22:20:00] Ediehow: i did:O
[22:20:00] Ediehow: but i sometimes still get it when i multitask
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[22:20:00] kormoc: ooh
[22:21:00] kormoc: it just means it can't get or decode the data fast enough
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[22:21:00] Ediehow: ok, when i multitask, it drops frames to keep audio in sync?
[22:21:00] kormoc: you're not via wireless, are you?
[22:21:00] Ediehow: no sir
[22:21:00] defII: can you place files in the recording dir, and have them listed; or is that controlled by Myth/mysql
[22:22:00] kormoc: controled by myth/mysql
[22:22:00] Ediehow: 2006-01–23 16:22:08.797 A/V diverged by -4.12576 frames, dropping frame to keep audio in sync
[22:22:00] kormoc: you can inport them into the db or you can use mythvideo to view them
[22:22:00] Ediehow: i get that when i drag a window
[22:22:00] Ediehow: any ideas on that, kormoc?
[22:22:00] nuxil: blbl i'll reinstall mysql.. i think its screwed up.. it only fails to start up
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[22:23:00] Ediehow: 2006-01–23 16:23:20.869 WriteAudio: buffer underrun
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[22:26:00] GreyFoxx: defII: If you want them to show up in the Watch Recordings seciton you would have to add them to the database, otherwise use mythvideo and just view the contents of the directory
[22:28:00] defII: GreyFoxx, ok thought I would have to do that
[22:28:00] defII: GreyFoxx, thx
[22:28:00] mlehrer: is there a way to play a video (mpeg2 TS) with mythtv's internal player?
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[22:28:00] mlehrer: mythvideo seems to want to execute mplayer or vlc or some other program
[22:28:00] GreyFoxx: mlehrer: just put whereever you have mythvideo pointed and configure mythvideo to use the internal player
[22:29:00] GreyFoxx: configure mythvideo to use "Internal" and it will use the same player as is used for recordings/tv
[22:29:00] mlehrer: ok cool thanks
[22:29:00] mlehrer: i never set up the tv part, hopefully that won't matter
[22:29:00] juski: if you edit the metadata for the video in the video manager you can have a different player used for each one
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[22:30:00] jonase: any way to configure my (via82xx) easy? it works with other programs, but in mythtv i only get "bzzz" :P
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[22:31:00] SteveWrightNZ: jonase: your distro should take care of that
[22:32:00] jonase: the sound is working, only not with mythtv
[22:32:00] SteveWrightNZ: ahh, dont know sorry
[22:32:00] SteveWrightNZ: <-- mythtv noob
[22:33:00] dtm: SteveWrightNZ: ITS YOU
[22:33:00] GreyFoxx: jonase: What audio device have you go myth configured to use ?
[22:33:00] dtm: SteveWrightNZ: ahoy, intrepid gpl explorer
[22:33:00] jonase: ok, good it's not only me :)
[22:33:00] SteveWrightNZ: dtm: hey hey
[22:33:00] jonase: greyfoxx: /dev/dsp
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[22:33:00] GreyFoxx: And are you using OSS for audio in the other working apps or Alsa ?
[22:34:00] jonase: greyfoxx: dunno..
[22:35:00] GreyFoxx: well, what apps are working ?
[22:35:00] SteveWrightNZ: anyone running iMedia Embedded MythTV ?
[22:35:00] jonase: it works in xine and tvtime
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[22:35:00] GreyFoxx: jonase: Look through either their configuration or console output and see if they mention audio
[22:35:00] jonase: ok
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[22:39:00] kormoc: Ediehow, sadly, no idea
[22:39:00] jonase: in /home/mythtv/.xine/config it says "audio.mixer_name:/dev/mixer" if that helps?
[22:40:00] Ediehow: thx kormoc ;)
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[22:41:00] roiz: Hello all, Got some great help here yesterday and am *almost* there! I have one error on live TV concerning ringbuffer errors and need to get pointed in some direction
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[22:43:00] jonase: greyfoxx: they're using ALSA
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[22:43:00] roiz: Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[22:44:00] GreyFoxx: jonase: Try changing myth to use ALSA:default and ALSA:default for the mixer (if that fails use just "default" for themixer)
[22:44:00] SteveWrightNZ: Results 1 – 10 of about 738 for Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()
[22:46:00] roiz: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/MYTH/ringbuf2.nuv
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[22:53:00] jonase: greyfoxx: the settings are ok, cause the sound are working when i play music in mythtv.
[22:54:00] jonase: the problem is to get sound from the tv-capture card
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[22:55:00] Pitchin_uk: juski: ive worked where im going wrong
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[22:56:00] Pitchin_uk: apache is working fine i think the issue is with php and or the link to mysql db
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[22:58:00] benh: hi folks !
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[22:59:00] benh: any MacOS experts around ? I got the stable branch to build with a recent xcode after a few twaks (using qt 3.3.5, fixing a build bug in libexif, etc..) but it fails building the app bundle. osx-packager.pl
[22:59:00] benh: dies with a regexp issue it seems
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[23:00:00] benh: "Nesterd quantifiers in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m//Version/A//usr/lib/libstdc++ <-- HERE .6.dylib at ./osx-packager.pl line 1056
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[23:01:00] benh: now I'm no perl expert, but I suppose there is a problem with those plus signs no ?
[23:01:00] benh: the line is something like
[23:02:00] benh: next if ($file =~ m,/Version/A/$dep,);
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[23:07:00] jarango: Is there a wildcard for mythvideo that represents the files's directory ? similar to how %s represents the complete file name ?
[23:08:00] GreyFoxx: jaren: I don't think so
[23:08:00] GreyFoxx: at least none I've ever noticed
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[23:09:00] Agrajag-: benh: i think you want next if ($file =~ m,/Version/A/\Q$dep\E,);
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[23:12:00] jarango: How could I pay dvds saved on my harddrive using mythtv and mythvideo ?
[23:12:00] benh: Agrajag-: thanks, I'll try that
[23:12:00] jarango: GreyFoxx: that;s why I need the directory name
[23:14:00] buu: benh: you want \Q
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[23:14:00] GreyFoxx: jarango: I know some people do, no idea how as it's not something I've ever tried
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[23:16:00] jarango: GreyFoxx: The idea that I have is to associate *.IFO file with the command "mplayer -device-name %d dvd://" where %d would be the directory name of the IFO file
[23:16:00] jarango: But then I need the directory name
[23:17:00] dtm: i have a pvrusb2 (Hauppauge WinTV PVR USB2) which is a v4l device with a hardware mpeg2 stream. does mythtv know how to change channels on such a device or do i need an external script?
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[23:18:00] benh: dtm: don't tell me you are using that on a wallstreet ! :)
[23:18:00] GreyFoxx: jarango: I know that people do it, either via directories or having the dvd as an iso, but I've never really looked at it
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[23:18:00] dtm: benh: Y E S
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[23:18:00] benh: btw, nobody heard of any progress with the "new revision" dvico remote that comes with FusionHDTV nowadays ? doesn't seem to quite work with current lirc
[23:18:00] dtm: benh: vlc takes 10% cpu to copy the stream via http
[23:19:00] GreyFoxx: jarango: you could always put a shell/perl wrapper and have mythvideo call that. Parse out the direcotry from there and call mplayer
[23:19:00] benh: dtm: and to display ?
[23:19:00] dtm: benh: a 350 MHz blue/white with macos running vlc client
[23:20:00] dtm: benh: the wallstreet could stream DVD quality but this guy can't play it ;)
[23:20:00] benh: dtm: the b&w have a hw mpeg2 decoder no ?
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[23:24:00] dtm: benh: weeellllllll i don't know. it has no dvd drive. it has an ATI Rage 128 Pro 16MB PCI
[23:25:00] Dittohead: I've got RatPoison, mythtv/mythvideo and mplayer going but when I run mplayer with the -fs switch (for fullscreen) mplayer doesn't seem to grab focus properly and I can't control mplayer. Is there anyway to fix this?
[23:25:00] dtm: benh: but my pismo could play a dvd
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[23:25:00] benh: dtm: ahh... the r128 might have some IDCT & MC hardware, though linux can't use it afaik
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[23:25:00] dtm: benh: this b/w is running macos.
[23:26:00] GreyFoxx: Dittohead: make sure you re running at least a basic wm :)
[23:26:00] benh: wow, it's me or release-0-18--fixes uses a _much _higher protocol version than 18.1 ?
[23:26:00] ** benh goes rebuild the backend too **
[23:26:00] dtm: benh: and all this free playback software is using quartz output so i would assume that's not enough to have access to the mpeg2 decoder if any.
[23:26:00] dtm: benh: i've been using vlc client and mplayer
[23:26:00] benh: dtm: quicktime output would
[23:26:00] GreyFoxx: sorry didn't see th bit about ratpoision
[23:26:00] benh: dtm: might work
[23:26:00] Dittohead: GreyFoxx, I am. I mentioned I'm using ratpoison, which from what I've read should work just fine with mplayer and xine.
[23:26:00] dtm: benh: would it?
[23:27:00] Dittohead: GreyFoxx, ahh, was busy typing then I read your second reply ;)
[23:27:00] dtm: benh: i've never heard a peep about it anywhere
[23:29:00] benh: dtm: well. radeons certainly have hw assist
[23:29:00] benh: dtm: I think some r128's too (some mach64 even)
[23:30:00] benh: argh... fucker ignored my -svnbranch and just checked our HEAD
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[23:31:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[23:33:00] Dittohead: You gave him HEAD?
[23:33:00] benh: -svnbranch release-0.18-fixes
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: alas, without sufficient money involved no :)
[23:34:00] benh: but it still checks out trunk (after looking for revision HEAD)
[23:34:00] GreyFoxx: then try svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv  ?:)
[23:35:00] GreyFoxx: of course if you are already running HEAD you might as well stick to it :)
[23:36:00] benh: GreyFoxx: nah, I know how to get svn branches ;) I'm trying to fix osx-packager.pl
[23:39:00] benh: ok, it's getopt isn't working
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[23:40:00] ** xris curses people who don't comment their code **
[23:40:00] dtm: benh: ha! mach64 with mpeg2 decoder?
[23:41:00] benh: dtm: yes, I think the rage M1 at least has mpeg2 assist (not full decoder, but IDCT at least)
[23:41:00] dtm: benh: weird.
[23:41:00] Dittohead: GreyFoxx, You probably don't care but I got it fixed. I added -ontop and -zoom, not sure which one did the voodoo but it works now
[23:43:00] GreyFoxx: stiil good to know to get others to try :)
[23:43:00] benh: argh
[23:43:00] benh: my fault !
[23:43:00] benh: stupido
[23:43:00] benh: -plugins takes an arg and I was mixing up
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[23:44:00] dtm: so we seriously have to renew our zap2it manually every 3 months?
[23:44:00] kormoc: yup
[23:44:00] dtm: benh: d0h what are you doing
[23:45:00] dtm: benh: oh you're hacking on the mythtv frontend on macos?
[23:45:00] benh: dtm: not hacking... building the release-0-18-fixes branch
[23:45:00] benh: dtm: hacking... well, maybe later :)
[23:45:00] dtm: woo hoo filling database!!
[23:45:00] benh: dtm: though I'd rather get the TV out adapter working in linux than hack too much in MacOS :)
[23:45:00] dtm: i have no idea what zap2it's business model is but i think i might like it
[23:46:00] dtm: benh: ha!
[23:46:00] dtm: benh: you da man.
[23:46:00] dtm: benh: if you have any ideas on how to get vlc client or mplayer to use any local mpeg2 decoder hardware, please fill me in
[23:46:00] benh: damn.... building on the Mac Mini is really slow ... I htink I'll go to work and pick up a quad g5 :)
[23:47:00] benh: dtm: they use quicktime for output ? if they do, it's transparent
[23:47:00] dtm: benh: did i mention that it takes 5 hours and 5 minutes to build mythtv on my wallstreet :)
[23:47:00] benh: dtm: ugh ,,, in fact no
[23:47:00] benh: dtm: sorry, I'm saying crap there. ..
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[23:47:00] dtm: it apparently isn't coz vlc is taking 50–90% cpu
[23:47:00] benh: dtm: think the OS X API is private for that ... only Apple DVD player can use it
[23:47:00] dtm: and i can't go above 320x240 4Mbps
[23:47:00] dtm: yeah i figured so.
[23:48:00] benh: dtm: does it work on your machine ? (Apple stuff, you can feed it a .vob)
[23:48:00] dtm: benh: i haven't tried that
[23:48:00] benh: ATI never released any spec on how to use the MPEG2 acceleration (it's well known..l only evil movie pirates need to decode MPEG2 !)
[23:48:00] dtm: holy cow mythfilldatabase is still running ;)
[23:48:00] dtm: benh: yes they do, those bastages
[23:49:00] dtm: why does mythfilldatabase need to download and populate so many times?
[23:49:00] GreyFoxx: It fills in like 12–14 days worth the first time you fill it
[23:50:00] xris: dtm: once for each day?
[23:50:00] GreyFoxx: from then on it updates tomorrow and 12or so days in the future
[23:50:00] dtm: xris: oh yes that's it.
[23:50:00] dtm: fascinating, captain.
[23:50:00] benh: I'll have to figure out how to get working tv programs feed here in canberra too ... bah, after I have setup a decent frontend
[23:50:00] dtm: benh: word.
[23:50:00] dtm: benh: i have no frontend yet
[23:50:00] dtm: benh: i need to rebuild my centos4 system for that
[23:51:00] dtm: well, rebuild my destroyed fc3 into a centos4 system.
[23:52:00] ** benh wonder if somebody tried to build a front-end on one of those nokia PDA thingies :) **
[23:52:00] benh: that would be fun
[23:52:00] ** GreyFoxx is setting up a new frontend as soon as my little one goes to bed **
[23:52:00] benh: hrm... how long before my gf asks me to put more tuners in the box ... I wonder
[23:53:00] GreyFoxx: Didn't take long here
[23:53:00] benh: yeah... I made a mistake I think
[23:53:00] benh: got myself a shuttle thinking it would do nice front+back in the living room
[23:54:00] dtm: benh: dude, fyi, pvrusb2 absolutely rules
[23:54:00] benh: but at the end of the day, it makes too much noise and I may just use a mac mini as front end
[23:54:00] benh: and the shuttle has only 1 available pci slot ...
[23:54:00] juski: it's allegedly possible to mod a shuttle to be quiet
[23:54:00] benh: yah well.. I may look into usb solutions later
[23:54:00] dtm: benh: it was $130 at newegg
[23:54:00] juski: head it involves pulling the power cord out & keeping it out
[23:54:00] dtm: benh: the driver is awesome
[23:54:00] benh: juski: I think the main culprit here is the fan on the video card =P
[23:55:00] benh: he, no joke, my quad g5 makes less noise than this shuttle !
[23:56:00] benh: hrm... libmythsoundtouch doesn't build
[23:56:00] ** benh digs **
[23:57:00] SteveWrightNZ: dtm: which pvrusb2 device ? o.O
[23:57:00] benh: ah no, it's libmythmpeg2
[23:57:00] benh: cpu_accel.c
[23:57:00] juski: god I hope I never have to redo any more iD3 tags ever again
[23:57:00] juski: some people's definitions of genres are just stupid
[23:58:00] benh: doh ! a copy of mpeg2dec in there
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