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Thursday, January 19th, 2006, 00:08 UTC
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[00:27:00] xris: anyone here know if windows media center ed. works like normal windows? just got a killer deal from intel that comes with MCE, but wonder if I also need to get XP to use it normally.
[00:27:00] xris: too bad I can't use it as a mythbox (my wife is going to steal it for gaming)...
[00:28:00] juski: xris: MCE is just home edition with a crippling bolt-on for the PVR stuff
[00:28:00] xris: nevermind, found it
[00:28:00] xris: crippling?
[00:28:00] juski: reboot a day etc
[00:28:00] xris: ahh
[00:29:00] xris: that's not a problem... my wife will only use it for gaming and photoshop... spends most of her time on her ibook.
[00:29:00] xris: and don't need the media center stuff because I prefer myth
[00:29:00] juski: whenever I see it mentioned in magazine articles the authors rave about it.. then mutter about it needing frequent reboots
[00:29:00] xris: comes with a nifty remote and keyboard I'll snag for myth, though
[00:29:00] juski: word on the street is that Vista will include PVR features as standard
[00:29:00] xris: heh
[00:30:00] juski: reboot a day, by default then ;)
[00:30:00] Baylink: Yup, and they just got a WMF patch out for it, so... :-)
[00:30:00] xris: heh
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[00:30:00] Baylink: Yes, that's right: the completely new, totally rewritten Longhorn... has the same WMF bug that all the *other* Windoze OSen di.
[00:30:00] rjune: which version of vista now? the lowend home edition? or the pro edition? or the starter edition?
[00:31:00] juski: as far as UK DVB cards are concerned I don't think they're (the BDA drivers) even close to being as stable as the linux drivers
[00:31:00] juski: might have improved since.. they couldn't have got any worse, that's for sure
[00:32:00] juski: rjune: the home edition I think
[00:33:00] xris: juski: my boss got a free mce and pvr-150 over a year ago at some conference.. pvr-150 is *the* mce card... never could get it to work.
[00:34:00] juski: heh
[00:34:00] xris: was too lazy to set up myth (kept asking me to do it but would never get me the hardware), so he finally just got a comcast pvr
[00:34:00] xris: I don't have high hopes for mce.
[00:34:00] juski: my cable provider are going to bring out a multi-room capable PVR STB in the future.. so they say
[00:34:00] juski: are/is
[00:34:00] xris: but if it'll run my wife's games then it means I get an upgrade (her old box)
[00:35:00] xris: how it is that *I* get the slowest box, I don't know.
[00:35:00] juski: xris: but with Linux on it, suddenly it won't seem so slow ;) that's been my experience anyway
[00:35:00] kormoc: xris, the whole, keeping her happy makes you happy bit is how you get the slowest box
[00:36:00] xris: juski: it's a 3Ghz HT p4.. not slow.
[00:36:00] juski: lol
[00:36:00] xris: just slowest (well, aside from the p3 fileserver and firewall boxes in the garage)
[00:37:00] xris: would swap those out for my dual athlon if the thing didn't suck so much electricity (100 watts at idle)
[00:37:00] xris: just want to get RID of that now...
[00:37:00] juski: I've never measured the consumption of the backend server.. scared to
[00:37:00] xris: we have a smart clamp meter here...
[00:37:00] xris: I borrowed it and measured all of my machines.
[00:38:00] juski: I've got a clamp meter & one of those plugin things I can borrow.. measures the power factor & all sorts
[00:38:00] xris: 100w for the three p3's in the garage (put together), 100w for the athlonmp, 30w for the p4
[00:38:00] juski: frontend only takes about 20W though
[00:38:00] xris: yeah, the plugin one does all that, but requires unplugging the box. normal clamp meter requires exposing a single wire, but this one will do it with standard grounded line cord.
[00:39:00] juski: really? that's nifty
[00:39:00] xris: couldn't reach the power cable on the mythbox.
[00:39:00] rjune: xris: she gets the fancy box because you want her box
[00:39:00] xris: rjune: I'd rather have the dual core 64bit p4 and btx case.
[00:39:00] xris: but she plays games, I don't
[00:39:00] rjune: LOL
[00:39:00] juski: dual-core.. hmm that'd rip through transcoding a bit
[00:39:00] xris: I need enough power to run a giant text editor, firefox, gaim, occasionally mythfrontend.
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[00:40:00] xris: my new toy is the lcd I just bought
[00:40:00] fryfrog: a 30" dell WS?
[00:41:00] juski: jees – all the fuss someone on the ML made about those Vera fonts.. my theme looks no different to my eyes
[00:41:00] xris: fryfrog: I wish. I'm not that rich. just a nice 19" dvi samsung
[00:41:00] juski: but I guess Vera can be classed as non-MS enough, so I'll stick with the change
[00:42:00] fryfrog: I'd like to get the ~24"? $350 dell ws lcd
[00:42:00] xris: need a new video card, though... I think the color quality on my radeon 7500 sucks.
[00:42:00] SqWaw: Anyone use mythtv with DirectFB ?
[00:42:00] xris: fryfrog: huh? 24" is $850
[00:42:00] xris: SqWaw: dunno if that even works anymore.
[00:42:00] SqWaw: oh it doesnt :( ?
[00:42:00] fryfrog: xris: is it? i swear i saw it for $350 afte rebates and wished that i could afford even $350
[00:43:00] juski: SqWaw: someone was starting out down that road the other day in here.. they had no end of problems, and might still be
[00:43:00] xris: fryfrog: no. 19" rarely drops that low in price.
[00:44:00] SqWaw: alrighty... 'emerge xorg' it is
[00:44:00] SqWaw: or w/e
[00:44:00] xris: 19" dell floats around $300–350, sometimes lower after stacked coupons (it's $275 at the moment)
[00:44:00] juski: SqWaw: I don't envy you emerging xorg..
[00:44:00] SqWaw: eh?
[00:44:00] ** juski used a packages CD last time he installed Gentoo **
[00:44:00] SqWaw: heh
[00:45:00] SqWaw: but when you emerge, you get the lastest stable for your architechture
[00:45:00] juski: 1st ever Gentoo install was a stage1.. **never again**
[00:45:00] SqWaw: a package cd could be outdated....
[00:45:00] juski: SqWaw: it's still running, a year later
[00:45:00] juski: upset its 6 month uptime to install a new PVR card last week
[00:46:00] SqWaw: of course it as, when all is said and done you are not using the package cd anymore anyways
[00:46:00] juski: I've not upgraded anything, apart from mythtv in the last 12 months
[00:46:00] SqWaw: i heard that they are tyring to make recorded cards illegal
[00:46:00] SqWaw: if so, i'd buy them up by the ton
[00:46:00] juski: yeah yeah
[00:47:00] SqWaw: you dont think it could happen?
[00:47:00] juski: they're trying to claim their lost revenue is down to piracy, not just the number of asses on seats going down cos they're churning out shite
[00:47:00] SqWaw: oic
[00:47:00] juski: SqWaw: in the USA, yep it could happen.. and probably will if you guys don't get off your asses
[00:48:00] SqWaw: i cant even vote yet
[00:48:00] SqWaw: so i cant really help
[00:48:00] Beirdo: like the average American CAN get off their asses
[00:48:00] SqWaw: ;)
[00:48:00] Beirdo: they can't be bothered to vote
[00:48:00] rjune: i can
[00:48:00] juski: you can hassle your erm.. political dude in congress
[00:48:00] SqWaw: im glued to this chair. or im at school.
[00:48:00] rjune: I waste my vote though, nether dem or pub
[00:48:00] SqWaw: or the gym.
[00:49:00] SqWaw: green party?
[00:49:00] SqWaw: the marijuana advocates party?
[00:49:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:49:00] SqWaw: is that a party?
[00:49:00] rjune: libertarian tendancies
[00:49:00] Beirdo: in Canada there IS a Marijuana Party
[00:49:00] SqWaw: i'd be on their side.
[00:49:00] Beirdo: at least there was last election, haven't checked in this one
[00:49:00] juski: that's it! I'm coming to Canada
[00:49:00] SqWaw: :)
[00:50:00] SqWaw: anyone in/around amsterdam?
[00:50:00] ** m1k3 sparks a bowl **
[00:50:00] juski: we've got a 2.5 party system (some say 3) here, but they're all the frickin same
[00:50:00] SqWaw: m1k3 ;)
[00:50:00] SqWaw: i wanna know what its like in amsterdam because this summer i think i may backpack through europe and i definately wanna stop there
[00:51:00] juski: but think.. if you were getting paid daft money and got away with only looking out for your own interests, wouldn't you be a politician?
[00:52:00] SqWaw: i hate politics. im impartial.
[00:52:00] Beirdo: politics are cool...
[00:52:00] Beirdo: politicians are slime
[00:53:00] kormoc: I could do without both
[00:53:00] rjune: libertarians are all for decrimming marijuana
[00:53:00] rjune: juski: where you at?
[00:53:00] juski: UK
[00:54:00] rjune: ahhh, here int he us we have our choice of 2 identical candidates, not 3
[00:54:00] juski: home of standard def. TV for the forseeable future
[00:54:00] juski: ironic, considering we just about invented it
[00:55:00] juski: I say "just about" cos I don't think John Logie Baird's invention can be classed as television ;)
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[00:59:00] juski: time to bring out the GIMP
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[01:01:00] Umaro: Hey guys.. anyone here using a ice1724 card with mythtv?
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[01:03:00] juski: do we do soundcard questions in here?
[01:04:00] juski: Umaro: you having problems with one or just thinking about getting one?
[01:05:00] Umaro: having problems.. :/
[01:05:00] kormoc: juski, if they are myth related, sure
[01:05:00] Umaro: apparently I got the "best buy" branded one
[01:05:00] Umaro: I mostly just want to know if anyone is using one, so I know if it's worthwhile or not
[01:06:00] juski: my google search has just returned with a whole bunch of issues you could be having.. not least of which the stock alsa driver being a bit iffy
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[01:17:00] Cromz: juski, everytime I google search anything it comes back with 'get a live ya bum' :/
[01:17:00] juski: yeh
[01:17:00] juski: Cromz: experimenting with my theme buttons atm
[01:18:00] Cromz: koolio
[01:18:00] juski: fancy blue ones?
[01:18:00] Cromz: oh..
[01:18:00] ** Cromz snickers **
[01:20:00] juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend.png
[01:21:00] juski: getting the hang of this image fettling lark, slowly
[01:22:00] Kelerion: juski: I saw Pulp Fiction too.. and that has to be a badly named piece of software :P
[01:22:00] Kelerion: ahhh.. I like those button
[01:22:00] Kelerion: s
[01:22:00] Cromz: nice.. but my opinion only.. I like the red ones. I would like to maybe not show any 'non highlighted' and show this on the current selected oh.. http://img.shopping.com/images1/di/65/78/41/4 . . . -100x100.jpg
[01:23:00] Cromz: have that beside the item that you want.. heheh :>
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[01:23:00] Kelerion: thats what we need.. a Goth theme! :P
[01:23:00] juski: taking the dark theme a step further
[01:23:00] juski: ;)
[01:23:00] Kelerion: lol
[01:23:00] Cromz: ya baby! MythGoth
[01:24:00] juski: BrinkOfDeath-wide
[01:24:00] Cromz: oooo I likes the name
[01:24:00] juski: change the menu text too...
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[01:25:00] Kelerion: juski: you do realise though that if Chutt sees that screenshot he'll say "make it so you don't need to scroll on the front menu"
[01:25:00] Cromz: and the font.. put in a bleeding red font.
[01:25:00] juski: Kelerion: good as done
[01:26:00] juski: and done
[01:27:00] Cromz: photoshop'd the arrow out? lol j/k :)
[01:27:00] juski: just need some 600x600 watermarks now
[01:27:00] Cromz: er.. gimp'd it out I mean.
[01:27:00] juski: Cromz: nah – made the button area biggerrer
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[01:28:00] Chutt: juski, hey, so, for that blue button
[01:28:00] Cromz: uh oh.
[01:28:00] juski: mmmmyes...
[01:28:00] Chutt: how hard would it be to make a set of images that would be a pulse animation?
[01:28:00] Kelerion: lol
[01:29:00] juski: Chutt: not that hard
[01:29:00] Chutt: cool.
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[01:29:00] Kelerion: the frontend handles gif anims?
[01:29:00] Chutt: mythui handles png anims
[01:29:00] Kelerion: or png's
[01:29:00] Kelerion: oh excellent
[01:29:00] juski: course it'd be easier to put an openGL texture behind a transparent box & cycle its colour
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[01:29:00] juski: easier for me, I mean
[01:30:00] Chutt: juski, well, things have to work on low end machines without opengl
[01:30:00] Chutt: ie, the pvr-350
[01:30:00] MrProper_: anyone here used the dvico mce remotes?
[01:30:00] Cromz: the 350 is low end :(
[01:30:00] Chutt: but, i think that could work, since the update area would be small
[01:30:00] juski: Chutt: either or...
[01:30:00] Chutt: it'd just be a solid rectangle?
[01:31:00] Chutt: (the colored part)
[01:31:00] juski: yeh
[01:31:00] Chutt: hrm
[01:31:00] Chutt: yeah, i like that
[01:31:00] juski: so long as it'd be behind a transparent button it should be fine
[01:31:00] Chutt: right
[01:31:00] Chutt: i'll add that to my notes
[01:32:00] Chutt: i just like the idea of a slowly pulsing button indicating 'here's where you are' on the menu =)
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[01:32:00] juski: is there going to be any erm.. juggling of buttons, a la (you know what) ? or at least smooth scrolling?
[01:32:00] Chutt: hadn't really planned on it, but it certainly could happen
[01:32:00] Chutt: stuff moving is relatively easy
[01:32:00] juski: I can understand if you're not going to go OTT on eye candy though
[01:33:00] Chutt: i more want simple effects
[01:33:00] Chutt: and not the huge performance hit of doing lots of blending
[01:33:00] Chutt: (as there is now)
[01:33:00] juski: right...
[01:33:00] Chutt: simple animations, _some_ small amounts of movement perhaps
[01:33:00] juski: you know you suggested I make the watermarks in this theme bigger.. how much bigger?
[01:33:00] Chutt: cross-fading screens on transitions
[01:33:00] Chutt: i dunno
[01:33:00] Chutt: they just looked small on my screen =)
[01:33:00] juski: they're currently 350x350
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[01:34:00] juski: bearing in mind each PNG is about 1MB when it's uncompressed
[01:34:00] Chutt: right
[01:35:00] Chutt: i dunno
[01:35:00] Chutt: as i said, it just seemed small
[01:35:00] juski: just occurred to me tonight that this theme could start eating up RAM
[01:35:00] Chutt: bah
[01:35:00] Kelerion: am just thinking aloud here.. couldn't "eyecandy code" be made part of the theme engine so that if a user has a machine that can't cope it would just cut out the fancy stuff? or am I talking rubbish? lol
[01:35:00] Chutt: Kelerion, that's what it does now.
[01:35:00] Kelerion: oh – right
[01:36:00] defaultro: hey guys, good evening. Just got my fusion lite card. I'm working on the kernel :)
[01:37:00] juski: infact.. if everything was mapped onto opengl rectangles you could do all sorts of fancy things.. perspective & the likes.. unless my understanding of 3d graphics is all wrong.. and even software GL wouldn't be that slow seen as everything'd just be rectangles (maybe)
[01:38:00] Chutt: it is, though
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[01:38:00] Chutt: it's the alpha blending that's slow
[01:38:00] juski: oops.. forgot about that bit
[01:38:00] Kelerion: what does it do at the moment (ie. what does it cut out) if a machine can't handle something?
[01:39:00] Chutt: Kelerion, the _running_ ui code is the same everywhere
[01:39:00] JohnP789: For a 50-foot run of composite video, what's a good, cheap type of cable?
[01:39:00] Kelerion: damn.. you type quick.. lol
[01:39:00] bronco1: how would one go about installing a SVN version of mythtv?
[01:39:00] JohnP789: I'm thinking about RG-6 with F to RCA adaptors.
[01:39:00] bronco1: FC4 x86_64 using atrpms
[01:39:00] Chutt: the stuff in libmythui / mythuitest turns off animations, color cycling, alpha level modification, etc
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[01:40:00] Kelerion: I haven't seen any animations... can you give an example?
[01:40:00] Chutt: you haven't run mythuitest
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[01:40:00] Chutt: that's the new ui code that's not active yet.
[01:40:00] ** Kelerion gets the feeling he's missing something interesting **
[01:40:00] Kelerion: ahh okies
[01:41:00] bronco1: anyone here with some firewire advice?
[01:41:00] bronco1: heh, I have been trying to get it working since Christmas..
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[01:41:00] bronco1: I can capture using test-mpeg2 randomly it seems
[01:42:00] bronco1: it only works about 50% of the time if I try it over and over and over and over and over...
[01:44:00] bronco1: I always seem to get: 2006-01–18 20:37:29.320 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping.
[01:45:00] xvalentinex: Hello, I'm new to MythTV, I got my Hauppage 500 up and running using ivtv `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg & mplayer test.mpg` works great. MythTV locks up when I go to watch livetv, console tells me "Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/media/local/livetv-buff . . . f2.nuv"
[01:46:00] xvalentinex: any ideas? It connects to the backend (same machine) just fine
[01:47:00] kormoc: is /media/local/livetv-buffers/ writable by the mythtv user?
[01:47:00] xvalentinex: yeah should be, i'll double check
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[01:48:00] xvalentinex: chmodded it to 777, testing now
[01:48:00] Kelerion: Chutt: just tried it.. that looks *nice* .. well the fades do.. I can't see the logo it mentions so I presume I don't have opengl running
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[01:49:00] redline-: anyone having a problem with myth not deleteing recordings after you chage channels?
[01:49:00] xvalentinex: yep, same thing
[01:49:00] defaultro: dopestee?
[01:49:00] defaultro: dopester?
[01:49:00] redline-: i was fairly alarmed today when i ran out of space and have 540 gig available
[01:49:00] juski: Chutt: http://www.juski.co.uk/animated.gif
[01:50:00] Kelerion: is that fading to a dark blue? or black?
[01:50:00] juski: black
[01:50:00] juski: just a tester
[01:50:00] Kelerion: I need new glasses it seems.. lol
[01:51:00] defaultro: Hey guys, I have air2pc card. I had B2C2/Technisat Air/Sky/CableStar 2 PCI listed in my 2.6.11.6 kernel. I'm in menuconfig of 2.6.15.1, however, I couldn't see it anymore. it's listed as Technisat/B2C2 FlexCopII(b) and FlexCopIII adapters. Is that the one?
[01:52:00] dopester: defaultro
[01:52:00] dopester: yes
[01:52:00] juski: and the fixed menu: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend.png
[01:52:00] Kelerion: you added a new one? phone?
[01:53:00] juski: no scrolly scrolly ;)
[01:53:00] defaultro: i need your help. I'm going to try out 2.6.15.1 however, air2pc driver that i was seeing before is not listed or as listed differntly
[01:53:00] dopester: i answered your question
[01:53:00] defaultro: oh
[01:54:00] defaultro: i thought, the yes was for, yes how can I help you :)
[01:54:00] defaultro: cool
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[01:54:00] defaultro: i hope the new card i bought works well with air2pc
[01:54:00] defaultro: i hope it doesn't conflict
[01:54:00] xvalentinex: does mythtv install the RTjpeg codec?
[01:55:00] GreyFoxx: juski: Looks nifty. I keep seeing the watermark and picture it as a moving video hehe
[01:55:00] dopester: what card?
[01:55:00] tanq: ok.. how do I control my master volume channel and pcm at the same time for volume
[01:55:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, I got the card today. I will keep you posted
[01:55:00] juski: Kelerion: that phone watermark has been in there since the year dot :)
[01:55:00] dopester: i got an air2pc 5th gen and a dvico one working at the same time
[01:55:00] defaultro: it's Fusion 5Lite
[01:55:00] kormoc: tanq, you don't
[01:55:00] tanq: apparently myth maps [] to pcm on my box
[01:55:00] defaultro: air2pc is expensive
[01:56:00] defaultro: i went down to $99 for lite
[01:56:00] Kelerion: I meant menu item
[01:56:00] tanq: well everytime i switch between a media player(mplayer, myth-tv, video, gallery) my master volume is reset to 70
[01:56:00] juski: GreyFoxx: well it's not impossible to map video onto opengl textures is it? ;)
[01:56:00] defaultro: dopester, how do I arrange channeling?
[01:56:00] dopester: what you mean?
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: No idea :)
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[01:56:00] defaultro: i'm worried that it might overwrite the channels I have setup for my air2pc
[01:57:00] tanq: an ideas kormoc
[01:57:00] juski: Kelerion: yeh.. mythphone is installed... just for testing though.. never actually _used_ it yet
[01:57:00] dopester: just map the air2pc inoput to the other card as well
[01:57:00] kormoc: not really
[01:57:00] ** tanq sighs **
[01:57:00] defaultro: ok
[01:57:00] defaultro: i'm going to do qam for the dvico
[01:57:00] juski: I'll do a theme page for that if I ever get around to setting mythphone up properly
[01:57:00] tanq: where in myth does it say that [ and ] are mapped to the sound
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[01:58:00] Kelerion: erm.. I meant on your screenshot there.. you've added phone to the top level menu.. (I will explain myself properly at one point – I promise.. lol)
[01:58:00] defaultro: I can't find the BTTV selection in menuconfig
[01:58:00] defaultro: that's what the fusion card writer told me
[01:58:00] juski: Kelerion: eh?
[01:58:00] dopester: cx88
[01:58:00] Kelerion: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend.png
[01:59:00] juski: oh no, it's just cos all the menu items are viewable at once now
[01:59:00] Kelerion: phone isn't on the current themes top menu
[01:59:00] defaultro: oh, i have that then
[01:59:00] defaultro: did you change your firmware file?
[01:59:00] defaultro: for air2pc?
[01:59:00] juski: Kelerion: it might not be in SVN.. trying this out on my production box.. the 'bongo box is too loud to leave on
[02:00:00] dopester: no
[02:00:00] defaultro: cool
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[02:02:00] defaultro: i thought i had cx88, but I was sure i saw it earlier. it's like conexant. Now, I can't find it
[02:02:00] defaultro: is this it, Conexant 2388x (bt878 successor) support?
[02:02:00] defaultro: yep :D
[02:02:00] defaultro: CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88:
[02:02:00] defaultro: what's that driver for though?
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[02:04:00] defaultro: since mine is Lite, and chip is bt887, do I need that module?
[02:04:00] daedius_: hey all, is anyone familiar with mythtv on gentoo?
[02:04:00] defaultro: bt878 rather
[02:05:00] daedius_: i'm having a problem with qmysql3 connector
[02:05:00] defaultro: cx is only for Gold Fusion DVICO
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[02:07:00] Carl_1: Hey all, I have a cheapo wintv hauppage card (bt878) and am use knoppmyth but only get a green image with static on top
[02:08:00] Carl_1: It is auto detecting the card at card 10
[02:08:00] juski: try the knoppmyth forums then
[02:08:00] Carl_1: I did Juski
[02:08:00] Carl_1: this isnt really a knoppmyth issue other then thats the distro =)
[02:09:00] juski: Carl_1: probably got the wrong card/tuner type
[02:09:00] juski: try others til it works
[02:09:00] Carl_1: In mythtv-setup?
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[02:09:00] juski: Cromz: I can put different coloured buttons in the theme so peeps can choose.. won't add much to the size ;)
[02:10:00] juski: Carl_1: no... in the bttv module settings
[02:10:00] Carl_1: Oh
[02:10:00] Carl_1: Ok
[02:10:00] Carl_1: I was just using auto-detect
[02:10:00] Kelerion: hey.. not seen a spammer like that in here before
[02:10:00] juski: autodetect has never worked in my experience
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[02:11:00] tetra: hi
[02:11:00] tetra: anyone know what is up with prebuffering pause?
[02:11:00] juski: anyway... it's time for bedski..
[02:11:00] juski: night all
[02:11:00] Kelerion: g'night
[02:12:00] tetra: i'm using 0.18.1
[02:13:00] bronco1: anyone with some tips on firewire?///////////
[02:13:00] bronco1: err
[02:13:00] Kelerion: sorry.. don't use firewire here
[02:15:00] tetra: i'm running mythfrontend on a P4 2.4 GHz with 2GB of RAM and it's still sputtering just watching livetv
[02:15:00] tetra: the log spews tons of "prebuffering pause"
[02:17:00] tetra: i'm going to try 0.19
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[02:30:00] Kelerion: perfect timing.. got a question for you xris
[02:31:00] xris: sorry, afk
[02:31:00] Kelerion: it is easy for me to change the left-hand column of mythweb to display channel name istead?
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[02:31:00] Kelerion: okies
[02:31:00] xris: /msg me, will get back to you when I'm back
[02:32:00] Kelerion: thanks
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[02:33:00] defaultro: so dopester, all I have to do is add a new channel lineup in zap2it right and assign each card to where I want?
[02:34:00] Carl_1: Hey all, How do I tell Myth to take audio from linein on the soundcard? (Cheap wintv-go)
[02:35:00] dopester: defaultro: that im not sure
[02:36:00] defaultro: np
[02:36:00] defaultro: how are you using your 2 cards at the same time?
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[02:38:00] defaultro: does the stable svn gets modified lately too ?
[02:43:00] Majestik: xris (or anyone else), What do I need to have installed to use nuvexport to mp3?
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[02:45:00] xris: Majestik: ffmpeg
[02:45:00] xris: aren't you the one who's supposed to write the docs?  ;)
[02:45:00] Majestik: I might be :)
[02:45:00] xris: just select the option and it'll tell you why it's disabled
[02:45:00] Majestik: ah.. id3tag :)
[02:46:00] ** Beirdo pokes Majestik with a Liberal campaign sign **
[02:46:00] Majestik: Ewww
[02:46:00] Majestik: that's dirty
[02:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[02:47:00] Beirdo: slimy even
[02:47:00] Majestik: Hey, it took my money and sent it to Quebec, no more poking me with liberal signs
[02:47:00] ** Beirdo makes a liberal sign bonfire **
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[02:48:00] Majestik: Yay
[02:48:00] Beirdo: throw a few cabinet ministers in for good measure
[02:48:00] Kelerion: thats a brave nick
[02:48:00] Kelerion: :P
[02:48:00] Majestik: Any idea where debian hides id3tag?
[02:49:00] lirc: hey kelerion, when you are running irw do you get most of your key presses recognized??
[02:49:00] Beirdo: apt-cache search id3tag
[02:49:00] Kelerion: absolutely.. I love lirc :)
[02:49:00] lirc: man
[02:50:00] Majestik: Beirdo: really.. you think I didn't try that one already :)
[02:50:00] lirc: what ir receiver do you have kelerion?
[02:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:50:00] Kelerion: I use a few.. but mainly the one that came with my pvr250 for my kameleon remote.. and one that came with a twinhand dvb card which uses usbhid
[02:51:00] lirc: hmmm the one i bought off of irblaster.info is not being nice with two different remotes now
[02:51:00] lirc: :(
[02:51:00] Kelerion: and.. why'd ya pick on me? lol
[02:52:00] lirc: we were talking on monday night
[02:52:00] Kelerion: we were? was I drunk?
[02:52:00] lirc: ?? lol
[02:52:00] lirc: i was getting there
[02:52:00] Beirdo: aren't you always?
[02:52:00] Kelerion: I don't remember.. and Beirdo.. if I can help it.. yeah.. :)
[02:52:00] Beirdo: some Brit you are, Kelerion... go get pissed
[02:52:00] Beirdo: ;)
[02:53:00] Kelerion: am halfway through my case! I am trying to be the typical brit! lol
[02:53:00] lirc: does anyone else use the ir receiver from irblaster.info??
[02:53:00] Beirdo: OK, good
[02:53:00] Beirdo: I should go be a Scot...
[02:53:00] Beirdo: got some scotch calling my name
[02:53:00] Kelerion: oh please. no..!
[02:53:00] Beirdo: no kilts, no sheep
[02:53:00] Beirdo: just scotch
[02:53:00] Kelerion: drink it yeah.. become it.. nah
[02:54:00] lirc: scotch is a good drink minus the fanfare
[02:54:00] Beirdo: mmmm, scotch
[02:54:00] lirc: what kind?
[02:54:00] lirc: aberlour?
[02:54:00] Kelerion: aka gut-rot.. wonderful stuff
[02:54:00] Beirdo: I was thinking of having some Oban 14 year
[02:54:00] lirc: nice
[02:54:00] Beirdo: bah, gin's rot-gut :)
[02:55:00] lirc: none of it makes your gut better really...
[02:55:00] Beirdo: although it preserved the Queen Mom well for all so many years
[02:55:00] Kelerion: oh I don't get the old stuff.. it doesn't stay in me long enough to appreciate it :)
[02:55:00] Beirdo: it's all about the flavour
[02:55:00] Kelerion: I don't *taste* it!
[02:55:00] lirc: right into the vein huh?
[02:55:00] Beirdo: then you aren't drinking scotch right
[02:55:00] Beirdo: :)
[02:56:00] Kelerion: hell yeah.. iv-drip if I could get one
[02:56:00] Beirdo: if yer gonna slam it, just go for vodka or something
[02:56:00] lirc: you ever see tha jackass episode where they did that?
[02:56:00] Beirdo: no
[02:56:00] Beirdo: I don't watch jackass much
[02:56:00] Beirdo: meh
[02:56:00] lirc: well apparently you dont die
[02:56:00] Beirdo: I wouldn't trust jackass
[02:57:00] lirc: hence the name
[02:57:00] Kelerion: ok ok.. I don't slam it.. but I do like my jd as a change to my lager
[02:57:00] \Grooby\: hello
[02:57:00] Beirdo: heheh
[02:57:00] Beirdo: JD?!
[02:57:00] Beirdo: oh wow, that's SO not scotch
[02:57:00] lirc: hey kelerion do brits think hefeweissen is for sissies?
[02:57:00] lirc: no kidding
[02:58:00] Kelerion: never heard of it.. is it a lager?
[02:58:00] lirc: no its a type of beer made from wheat
[02:58:00] Beirdo: wheat beer rules
[02:58:00] Kelerion: is it german/austrian/etc?
[02:58:00] lirc: hoegaarden for instance
[02:58:00] Kelerion: if so yes :)
[02:58:00] lirc: german
[02:58:00] Beirdo: Hoegaarden's Belgian though :)
[02:58:00] Beirdo: yum
[02:59:00] lirc: well that is my fave there
[02:59:00] lirc: by far
[02:59:00] Kelerion: thats that nasty cloudy stuff.. I have an empty bottle a colleague brough me back.. urgh
[02:59:00] Beirdo: Duvel :)
[02:59:00] lirc: duvel is good and similar??
[02:59:00] Beirdo: wheat beer is good stuff, especially unfiltered
[02:59:00] Beirdo: Duvel is a STRONG beer, not wheat
[02:59:00] lirc: oh ok
[02:59:00] Kelerion: 6 bottles of "taste of germany" stuff.. .*shudders
[03:00:00] lirc: tripell style?
[03:00:00] Beirdo: aye
[03:00:00] Beirdo: yum yum yum
[03:00:00] lirc: chocolate syrup
[03:00:00] ** Kelerion goes to get it **
[03:00:00] lirc: ok off to try another remote on this crap receiver... ill be back with not-so-amazing results
[03:01:00] Beirdo: I will have to have me some Oban while I clean (blech)
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[03:03:00] Kelerion: "Hacker-Pschor", "Augustinor-BraeuMunchen-Edelstoff", "Hacker-Pschor Anno 1417", "Hacker-Pschor – Octoberfest Marzen", "Franziskauer Weissbier" and "Paulaner"
[03:03:00] Kelerion: if I can type all that.. I need more beer
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[03:03:00] Beirdo: woohoo, recording 4 shows at once
[03:03:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:03:00] Beirdo: that bttv card's getting some use
[03:03:00] tetra: sweet
[03:04:00] Beirdo: it's the "overflow recordings only" card
[03:04:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:05:00] Kelerion: I record about 7 hours of records a day – with one card.. there's no way in the world I'd be able to keep up with 4 cards!
[03:05:00] Beirdo: hehe
[03:05:00] Beirdo: well, I have occasional use for 4
[03:05:00] Kelerion: I'm just about to install a second.. and I know I won't keep up with just that
[03:05:00] Beirdo: the main one was last night
[03:06:00] Beirdo: but I couldn't get it working, and I bounced the backend during that time
[03:06:00] fatmatt: I've thought of a 3rd on occasion, mind you, tv is getting worse here so that hasn't happened for a while
[03:06:00] Beirdo: so I got none of the 4 properly
[03:06:00] Kelerion: I have 200 channels.. I watch no more than 5 of them
[03:06:00] fatmatt: Beirdo: are you in Australia?
[03:06:00] Beirdo: nah
[03:06:00] Beirdo: Canada
[03:07:00] fatmatt: ahh, thats right
[03:07:00] Beirdo: sorry, not down under :)
[03:07:00] Beirdo: no vegemite for me :)
[03:07:00] fatmatt: yup, your missing out, it's great here
[03:07:00] fatmatt: hows the snow?
[03:07:00] Kelerion: Beirdo: where you about earlier when I posted the "Elementary Bible School Test" thing?
[03:07:00] Beirdo: planning on moving to the Caribbean soon though
[03:07:00] Beirdo: yeah, I saw it
[03:07:00] Beirdo: no snow in Toronto, usually
[03:08:00] Kelerion: 11. Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then
[03:08:00] Kelerion: Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of geritol.
[03:08:00] Beirdo: it was snowing today, but it almost never accumulates here, just everywhere else in Canada :)
[03:08:00] Kelerion: I went to canada once.. beautiful place
[03:08:00] Beirdo: well, I'd better go clean.
[03:08:00] fatmatt: I'm trying to find ar IR keyboard here so I can train my remote to do all the shortcut keys for myth, nobody has one
[03:08:00] Beirdo: my fiancee will be here in 2 days with her parents
[03:09:00] simcop2387: is there an easy way to record a specific episode of a show if you don't care what time its recorded at, say "Secret Lives of Women" episode title "Women in porn" (its for my girlfriend HONEST!) and not any other episode of the show?
[03:09:00] Beirdo: need to get it a bit more presentable
[03:09:00] Kelerion: little place called "kamloops"
[03:09:00] Beirdo: Nice
[03:09:00] Beirdo: never been to Kamloops, but I'd love to
[03:09:00] Beirdo: Toronto is way overrated though
[03:09:00] Kelerion: was my only experience of canada.. I was impressed
[03:09:00] tetra: damn, 0.18 and 0.19 aren't compatible
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[03:09:00] Beirdo: anyways, I'll chat later, gotta clean
[03:09:00] Kelerion: have fun :P
[03:10:00] simcop2387: was 0.19 released?
[03:10:00] simcop2387: i'm seeing alot more face time for it lately
[03:10:00] Kelerion: "real soon now"
[03:11:00] Kelerion: simcop.. power search would cover that type of scenerio
[03:12:00] Kelerion: aka Custom Record
[03:15:00] Majestik: Beirdo: no snow here either
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[03:19:00] digitalb0y: Has anyone successfuly gotten an HD-QAM Card to work with Clear QAM Cable channels?
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[03:19:00] corey_: Hi. I am new to MythTV and was wondering what a good, cheap capture card would be for my first installation?
[03:21:00] digitalb0y: You can use the tried and true PVR-150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620
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[03:22:00] Ediehow: can i record something that is in my cache right now?
[03:22:00] Ediehow: i can rewind the livetv right now and get it
[03:22:00] Ediehow: it's a few seconds i want to record
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[03:22:00] lirc: anybody built their own ir reciever?
[03:23:00] lirc: i bought one and its a peice of garbage
[03:23:00] Kelerion: ok.. not asked this afore.. is the 150 *technically* better than my 250? ie... would it be worth considering as an upgrade? would picture quality/colors be better etc?
[03:24:00] Ediehow: i am using 150mce
[03:24:00] digitalb0y: Corey_: if thats too much you can try the Leadtek TV2000XP http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122221 but it's not easyto setup
[03:24:00] defaultro: dopester, dvico and air2pc detected properly. :D i2c_core 22784 14 tuner,tda9887,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_nforce2,b2c2_flexcop,mt352,bcm3510, stv0299,nxt2002,stv0297,lgdt330x,mt312
[03:24:00] corey_: Yeah i was thinking more along the lines of $30 to start
[03:25:00] corey_: what do you mena by not easy to setup?
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: Not really no
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: It's just newer, same features, and costs less
[03:26:00] Kelerion: just looking at a photo of it.. is that other coax input really for the remote?? there's a picture of the remote cable and it looks like it has a coax plug!
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: fm radio
[03:27:00] Kelerion: there's two of em
[03:27:00] Kelerion: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?M . . . ard+-+Retail
[03:27:00] digitalb0y: corey_:http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5157
[03:27:00] Kelerion: if you look at the 4th picture.. thats the remote wire right?
[03:27:00] Kelerion: no.. yer right
[03:27:00] Kelerion: the gm
[03:27:00] Kelerion: fm
[03:27:00] corey_: Thanks a lot.
[03:28:00] Kelerion: so whats that second coax for?
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: It's for the FM radio antenna
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: that 4th picture is the antenna that comes with it
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: wow, major wind storm outside
[03:29:00] Kelerion: yup.. on the first picture.. whats that coax? a real coax?
[03:29:00] digitalb0y: corey_: Sure.... its not that hard to setup the sound, just more annoying you have to have an separate Sound card for each TV Tuner and the sound cables that hook from the soundcard to the Tv card, and it make a mess in an small form factor case (if you can find the correct small audio cables, cause they don't come in the box) Unlike the WinTV-PVR's where everything is built on board.
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: On of the coax inputs is for the tuner, 1 is for the FM radio antenna
[03:29:00] Kelerion: okies.. just wondering... that type of coax input it fairly new over here
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: standard here
[03:31:00] corey_: I see, it sounds like I should shell out the extra 30 and go for the easy setup
[03:31:00] corey_: how does the cpu usage compare with these 2 cars?
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[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: corey_: a pvr cards takes 0% cpu to capture
[03:32:00] corey_: sorry for the dumb question, but what does pvr stand for?
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: a framegrabber is like 700MHZ or more to capture and encode in "realtime"
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: Personal Video Recorder
[03:32:00] corey_: thanks
[03:33:00] Kelerion: GreyFoxx: have a look at this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;doy=19m1
[03:33:00] Kelerion: thats what we'd call a coax
[03:33:00] digitalb0y: corey: the Leadtek uses software MPEG-2 Encoder and the PVR-150 uses MPEG-2 Encoder
[03:33:00] digitalb0y: (hardware)
[03:34:00] Kelerion: we'd call yours (apparently! just seen this!) a "F Socket" : http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;doy=19m1
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: ahh, yeah definately different
[03:35:00] eiggirC: GreyFoxx: double that – I have a philips SAA7134 card that required more than a P3 866.
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[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: eiggirC: the chipset would be irrelevant to howlong it takes your CPU To encode a video frame
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: but an 866 would certainly be more certain than a 700MHZ cpu
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: Yeah they are also called F connectors here, but only among cable employees
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: to the general public it's a "coax connector "
[03:36:00] eiggirC: GreyFoxx: fairn enough... My advice to everyone is get a Hauppauge PVR-x50 card... saves many problems
[03:36:00] Kelerion: when I got my dvb card.. it had one of your coax sockets on it.. which coincendally looks *identical* to our cable/sat box connectors
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: eiggirC: Good advice :)
[03:37:00] eiggirC: I wish I'd got a pvr-500
[03:37:00] Kelerion: coincidentally
[03:39:00] kormoc: anyone running svn myth, any ideas why my card would be 'not connected'?
[03:39:00] Beirdo: is it a slave?
[03:39:00] kormoc: Beirdo, that's the odd part, no, it's not
[03:39:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[03:40:00] Beirdo: the only time I've seen that is when you need to restart a slave backend
[03:40:00] kormoc: yeah, master backend, local card, all setup nice and neat, but it shows as not conencted via the status page, and unable to record.
[03:40:00] Beirdo: weird
[03:40:00] Beirdo: dunno
[03:41:00] Beirdo: reload?
[03:41:00] Kelerion: not seen that afore on my svn..sorry
[03:41:00] Beirdo: the status page that is
[03:41:00] kormoc: Beirdo, same thing, tho one thing that's really odd
[03:41:00] simcop2387: kormoc: what kind of card?
[03:41:00] kormoc: simcop2387, m179 (ivtv)
[03:42:00] simcop2387: last i checked (a while ago) dvb stuff was being messed with alot
[03:42:00] kormoc: Encoder 1 is remote on 192.168.1.11 (currently not connected).
[03:42:00] simcop2387: hmm
[03:42:00] kormoc: but .11 is the local computer...
[03:42:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[03:42:00] Beirdo: that should normally be a name
[03:42:00] simcop2387: wonder why its using an external addr, it should use 127.0.0.1
[03:42:00] Beirdo: did your /etc/hosts get borked (or DNS)
[03:42:00] Beirdo: and no it shouldn't use 127.0.0.1
[03:42:00] Beirdo: ever
[03:43:00] kormoc: Beirdo, nope, mythbox points to 192.168.1.11
[03:43:00] Beirdo: if you use localhost, you will have serious issues as soon as you want to expand
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[03:43:00] Kelerion: ok all – nearly 4am.. g'night!
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[03:43:00] Beirdo: I always see the hostname in there, somehow maybe your host identifier changed?
[03:44:00] Beirdo: as myth sees it
[03:44:00] kormoc: I can try...
[03:44:00] ** kormoc scratches his head **
[03:44:00] Beirdo: dunno, just tossing out ideas
[03:45:00] kormoc: yeah, it's just odd
[03:46:00] Beirdo: maybe go through some backend logs a bit...
[03:46:00] kormoc: yeah, I have -v all and been running it in a term, but everything looks right
[03:46:00] Beirdo: hmm. how odd
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[03:47:00] kormoc: 2006-01–19 19:47:14.969 AutoExpire: Found 0 recorders w/max rate of 0 MiB/min
[03:47:00] kormoc: I'm assuming that should be more then 0, correct?
[03:47:00] Beirdo: usually :)
[03:48:00] Beirdo: something got bent, dunno how
[03:48:00] kormoc: 2006-01–19 19:47:14.956 MSqlQuery: SELECT NULL FROM capturecard;
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[03:49:00] kormoc: booya
[03:49:00] kormoc: seems like in capturecard, the hostname was Mythbox, and elsewhere it was set to mythbox
[03:49:00] kormoc: not sure how that happened tho
[03:49:00] Beirdo: aha
[03:49:00] Beirdo: told ya ;)
[03:50:00] kormoc: yeah :)
[03:50:00] Beirdo: dunno how that woulda happened :)
[03:50:00] Carl_1: Would it be safe to assume a pvr350 is better then a pvr250
[03:50:00] ** kormoc looks at the ground. **
[03:50:00] kormoc: Carl_1, not really, no
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[03:50:00] kormoc: Carl_1, the 350 is only good if you want to use it's hardware tv out to display on a tv, else you might as well get a pvr 150 or 500
[03:50:00] Carl_1: kormoc: Ok, Then PVR250 better then 150?
[03:50:00] Carl_1: Ahh
[03:50:00] kormoc: Carl_1, the 150 is the 'new' 250, and is quite nice
[03:50:00] Beirdo: don't worry, kormoc, we all do silly things at times
[03:50:00] kormoc: Carl_1, the 500 is dual 150's
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[03:51:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, I was just beating my head against the wall for awhile over it :)
[03:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[03:51:00] Beirdo: well, I guess I should get back to cleaning (ick!)
[03:51:00] angryelf: hey all, still having FF/RWD issues here, i'm watching a recording now that was FFing fine earlier but now at 45min it won't FF at all
[03:52:00] Carl_1: kormoc: OK, So I only need one output, going to use TV-out on the video card, PVR-150 is the best bet?
[03:52:00] kormoc: Carl_1, yup, imho
[03:53:00] Carl_1: kormoc: ok, saying that price isnt an issue, what would be the best single-head TV tuner?
[03:53:00] Carl_1: non-hd
[03:54:00] kormoc: Carl_1, I would get the pvr 500. it's 2 150's on a single card, so you can record two shows at the same time, or watch live tv on one and record off of the other
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[03:54:00] JeffATL: are there any modern knoppix/mythtv isos? knoppmyth seems to have stopped almost 2 years ago
[03:54:00] GreyFoxx: JeffATL: They put out a new one in the last month or so
[03:54:00] GreyFoxx: and not very long before that
[03:55:00] Carl_1: kormoc: Aye, But then I need another reciver, and another single splitter, and pay another fee for the additional reciver =()
[03:58:00] Cardoe: kormoc: yo
[03:58:00] Cardoe: kormoc: did you test out those ebuilds/
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[04:03:00] JeffATL: i had taken a stab at mythtv on gentoo a couple weeks ago and nearly got it working – then when i hooked it up to my tv to continue working on it, i couldn't get any s-video output anymore and the backend wouldn't even start
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[04:04:00] JeffATL: the available docs just didn't support figuring out what was wrong so I figured i'd try something a bit more plug-and-play just to see if the basic premise even worked
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[04:21:00] siwelwerd: hello
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[04:24:00] jjazz: hello
[04:25:00] siwelwerd: so someone is alive in here after all
[04:25:00] jjazz: Barely.
[04:26:00] ** siwelwerd was hoping to get help **
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[04:27:00] jjazz: I won't be of much help. I've never used myth. Just stopped by to eavesdrop because I'm thinking of hooking my projector to a myth box.
[04:27:00] eiggirC: jjazz: works perfectly – except that if you have a remote, its weird to point the remote in a different place than where the projection is
[04:27:00] eiggirC: and projectors are bloody cheap now
[04:28:00] jjazz: eiggirC: They are cheap indeed. I was just wondering about getting the signal up to the ceiling if the box is far from it.
[04:28:00] eiggirC: well – use a high quality VGA cable and you get 20 metres of run easily
[04:29:00] jjazz: eiggirC: Is that an s-video cable?
[04:29:00] eiggirC: no – a 15 pin VGA cable
[04:29:00] jjazz: eiggirC: Or is that the standard monitor cable?
[04:29:00] jjazz: ah, ok
[04:29:00] eiggirC: yes – standard monitor cable
[04:29:00] eiggirC: then you get a better image on screen than if you used composite video or S-Video
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[04:29:00] jjazz: How do I know if a cable is high quality?
[04:30:00] eiggirC: if it is fairly solid, and has a balun at one or both ends
[04:30:00] jjazz: cool
[04:30:00] eiggirC: here a 20 metre cable is about $50 NZ
[04:30:00] eiggirC: so it would be ~$20 USfor you
[04:31:00] jjazz: That's not bad at all.
[04:31:00] jjazz: The obstacle here is probably effort more than money. Running power and video through the ceiling will be a pain.
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[04:33:00] eiggirC: its worth doing well if you're doing it at all
[04:33:00] eiggirC: does your projector rotate the image?
[04:34:00] jjazz: Agreed, especially because my gf has to approve all the work.
[04:34:00] eiggirC: get a universal mount if your projector has mounts
[04:34:00] jjazz: eiggirC: I don't know. I haven't tried. Why does it matter?
[04:34:00] eiggirC: or if its a smallish room put it on a shelf up above head (ouch) height
[04:34:00] eiggirC: some projectors can rotate the image, but don't have holes for upside-down mounting
[04:35:00] eiggirC: sony ones don't mount upside down
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[04:35:00] jjazz: It's not a small room, so a shelf won't do. Ah, yes, mounting it upside-down makes sense. I will definitely consider that. I was thinking of a shelf attached to the ceiling, but your way makes more sense.
[04:35:00] jjazz: This thing is a Hitachi.
[04:35:00] rhollan: what a projector?
[04:36:00] eiggirC: yeah – they're good ones
[04:36:00] jjazz: rhollan: I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.
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[04:36:00] rhollan: native res?
[04:36:00] rhollan: are you describing a projector to mount from the ceiling?
[04:36:00] jjazz: rhollan: Yes.
[04:36:00] eiggirC: yeah – always run a projector or LCD at it's native resolution
[04:37:00] rhollan: Ah. (a) what's the res? (b) color wheel or no?
[04:37:00] eiggirC: http://www.boyd.co.nz/product.html?p=8480_5300
[04:37:00] jjazz: rhollan: I don't know the answer to those questions. It's a Hitachi CP-RS55
[04:37:00] eiggirC: jjazz: there's an example of the stand I mean
[04:38:00] jjazz: eiggirC: Yeah, that's cool. It will keep things looking neat.
[04:38:00] eiggirC: http://www.boyd.co.nz/product.html?p=8480_5550
[04:38:00] eiggirC: another one
[04:38:00] eiggirC: I'm sure you'll find them more local to you
[04:38:00] rhollan: Ah, 800x600
[04:39:00] ** rhollan would love to find a 1280x720 **
[04:39:00] eiggirC: *shrug*
[04:39:00] jjazz: rhollan: Why is it bad to run at higher than native res?
[04:39:00] eiggirC: video is fine at 800x600
[04:39:00] eiggirC: its better than broadcast quality :)
[04:39:00] rhollan: down/upsampling introduces artifacts
[04:39:00] rhollan: down as well as up
[04:39:00] eiggirC: true
[04:39:00] rhollan: eiggirC: not HD
[04:39:00] eiggirC: rhollan: heh I live in the sticks – we have four channels of useful FTA TV
[04:40:00] rhollan: The big pain in non-CRT HD sets is whether to go 720 or 1080 (though few non-CRTs will do 1080)
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[04:40:00] tanq: ah.. figured out what was wrong..
[04:40:00] rhollan: eiggirC: psst: DirecTV
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[04:41:00] a1cypher: I have a quick question.. how do I get back to the guide from livetv?
[04:41:00] eiggirC: rhollan: never heard of it.
[04:41:00] rhollan: I was thinking when my current Sony HD CRT dies, to get a small 30" LCD, a Stewart screen, and a projector, for the theatre look when "getting serious"
[04:42:00] rhollan: eiggirC: nebbber mind the A or S, but what's your L if you've never heard of DirecTV
[04:42:00] eiggirC: rhollan: here in the arsehole of the internet, we have data caps. Streaming video is bloody expensive on data.... hence why the bittorrenters aren't really from here.
[04:42:00] eiggirC: rhollan: New Zealand
[04:42:00] rhollan: Ah! Good fishing there.
[04:42:00] eiggirC: yeah – sometimes :)
[04:42:00] rhollan: DirecTV is a U.S. Satellite TV company
[04:43:00] eiggirC: oh okay – sorry I was thinking of mobiTV (sp?)
[04:44:00] rhollan: eiggirC. Heh. I once lived in a well-populated place right smack dab in the middle of ISDN (pre-DSL) "no man's land" too far from any of the 5 CO's around me
[04:45:00] ** rhollan thinks about this projector: http://www.fotoconnection.com/viewitem.php?In . . . fTag=froogle **
[04:47:00] rhollan: but, it has a color wheel.
[04:48:00] rhollan: the 7210 is better but still uses a color wheel
[04:51:00] rhollan: Anyway, my *new style* LC08 case arrived and I've got a nano-ITX mobo to install in it. So, gotta go.
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[05:02:00] tetra: hello
[05:03:00] tetra: what key changes the channel to the one selected while in the program guide?
[05:03:00] tetra: it used to be x
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[05:14:00] tetra: 0.19 is much better than 0.18.1
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[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: Well there really isn't a "0.19" quite yet... sitll in the pre0.19 stage :) hehe
[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: I'm quite happy with it though :)
[05:18:00] tetra: you know
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: I know what ? :)
[05:19:00] tetra: pre...
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[05:20:00] tetra: oh
[05:20:00] tetra: do you know the key to set the channel while in the program guide? it used to be x
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: M
[05:20:00] tetra: without exiting the program guide?
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: I don't remember ever using X for that, but M should do the trick for you
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[05:21:00] tetra: it was x in 0.18.1
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: oh, I didn't know oyu wanted to change while staying in the EPG
[05:21:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, am able to scan via QAM256 now using my Lite card ;D
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: I've never attempted to do that
[05:21:00] topher: can somebody help me with mythweather? i dont understand how i configure it basically ... lol, i fixed ivtv and built the box but the mythweather interface makes no sense
[05:22:00] topher: it says "press right to select unit conversion" and when i press right it selects both entries
[05:22:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Cool. I hope you are making notes
[05:22:00] defaultro: yep D
[05:22:00] defaultro: :D
[05:22:00] defaultro: it's really simple
[05:22:00] defaultro: i'm still at azap stage
[05:22:00] GreyFoxx: find many channels in the clear ?
[05:22:00] defaultro: 107 services
[05:22:00] defaultro: WooT
[05:22:00] defaultro: szap says there were 107 services found
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[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: sure, but do you have an indication of how many you can actually get in the clear? or do you have to try and tune each one at a time to find out ?
[05:23:00] defaultro: that i will find out later
[05:23:00] topher: if i go to settings -> info center -> weather settings, it constantly selects all options, even when i try and tell it what city im in. anybody understand that interface?
[05:24:00] GreyFoxx: topher I use it, but I've never seen it highlight every entry
[05:25:00] topher: GreyFoxx, hrm, ok, ill switch themes and see what happens
[05:25:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: I'd love to see your notes when you are done
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[05:27:00] tanq: well i think i have my volume problem solved now
[05:27:00] topher: anybody else get weird lockups when mythweather tries to access the web?
[05:29:00] xris: ok, mythweb should hopefully work on wml phones again
[05:34:00] topher: GreyFoxx, is there a way to change the weather settings without using the weather dialog? it keeps locking up
[05:35:00] topher: or, to make the grabbing of weather data nonblocking?
[05:35:00] Cromz: hmm sceduling recording on a phone. some how that seems wierd. :)
[05:36:00] Cromz: ut kool
[05:36:00] Cromz: er but
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[05:37:00] Beirdo: I wish my POS phone would let me authenticate on sites :)
[05:38:00] Cromz: Beirdo, get a bluetooth phone and a pda ;) use the phone as a modem lol
[05:38:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: ? phone?
[05:38:00] topher: ok, i fixed all that
[05:39:00] topher: does mythtv grab my weather in the background so it's ready? it seems like there's a 15–20 second delay when i first hit weather
[05:41:00] Beirdo: Cardoe, yes, phone
[05:41:00] Cardoe: authenticate on sites?
[05:41:00] Beirdo: it does WAP, but in a busted-ass way
[05:41:00] Cardoe: is this a * phone?
[05:41:00] Beirdo: no
[05:42:00] Cardoe: I need to get an * phone
[05:42:00] Beirdo: it does WAP... cellphone
[05:42:00] Krazylegz: Hmm. Power went out earlier today, a few times. Now, when the MythBox records something, it can't figure out the length and I can't RW or FF. Where should I start looking?
[05:42:00] Beirdo: mythcommflag --help
[05:42:00] Beirdo: tell it to rebuild the indexes or whatever
[05:42:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: what do you use for *
[05:42:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: Thanks.
[05:42:00] Krazylegz: Will check.
[05:43:00] Beirdo: Cardoe: Sipura ATA devices and real phones
[05:43:00] Cardoe: work out good?
[05:43:00] Beirdo: Krazylegz, I think it's just --rebuild
[05:43:00] Beirdo: yeah, works fine
[05:43:00] Beirdo: as long as my f'ing wireless is working
[05:43:00] Beirdo: as my ATAs are connected over 802.11g so I don't need to run wires everywhere
[05:44:00] Cardoe: ah cool
[05:44:00] Cardoe: how expensive were they?
[05:44:00] ** Cardoe should probably just check on Ebay **
[05:45:00] Beirdo: don't recall
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[05:47:00] earth-ox: hello
[05:48:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: Not to drag this out or anything, but where would I have found that solution?
[05:48:00] Beirdo: not sure. :)
[05:48:00] Beirdo: heh
[05:48:00] Beirdo: anyways, I'm going to bed, I'm zonked
[05:49:00] Krazylegz: Later Beirdo. Thanks!
[05:49:00] earth-ox: can mythtv be used for twinhan dvb-s cards?
[05:49:00] Beirdo: no prob
[05:49:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: hrm. they're pretty expensive.. not to many on ebay
[05:50:00] Beirdo: ah well
[05:50:00] Beirdo: anyways, bed
[05:50:00] Beirdo: night
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[05:52:00] earth-ox: i guess not
[05:52:00] earth-ox: ?
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[05:54:00] topher: my mythtvsetup program cuts off the bottom. i specified --geometry 400x400 and it made a 400x400 window but the same content is still cut off. anybody know how to fix this?
[05:55:00] earth-ox: can mythtv be used for twinhan dvb-s cards?
[05:56:00] travolta-: topher, what is your capture resolution?
[05:58:00] topher: travolta-, uhm, im not sure, how would i check?
[05:59:00] Cromz: earth-ox, http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /005262.html
[05:59:00] Cromz: that guy says he's been using those with myth for some time. so I'd say yeah.
[06:00:00] travolta-: in the program mythtv-setup
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[06:00:00] tetra: default res should be 720x480 i believe
[06:01:00] earth-ox: cromz well i see
[06:02:00] earth-ox: but can it handle dishnet
[06:02:00] Cromz: dunno I'm still in digital cable with pvr-350.. heh
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[06:03:00] topher: sorry, got disconnected. is the option to auto-transcode in the frontend or the setup program?
[06:03:00] travolta-: setup
[06:04:00] travolta-: i think
[06:04:00] topher: ok, so the video being cut off is prob why i cant find it
[06:04:00] topher: travolta-, yea, the setup program is cut off ... i specified a new geometry so i can see the whole thing but the next buttons are still cut off. are their themes or something in the setup program?
[06:05:00] travolta-: use a different geometry size
[06:05:00] topher: travolta-, hrm
[06:05:00] travolta-: this is output to montior or tv?
[06:05:00] topher: travolta-, it just streches the setup program
[06:05:00] topher: travolta-, this is in a vnc session
[06:06:00] topher: the setup program is stretching, so changing geometry doesnt help
[06:06:00] topher: im guessing the transcode option is cut off b/c i cant find it, and i also cant see the back, next buttons in the setup program
[06:07:00] tetra: is vnc very good?
[06:07:00] topher: tetra, well, if you need a desktop and cant turn off the mythtvfrontend and have a laptop and are a few feet away and dont wanna mvoe ... yea, lol
[06:08:00] tetra: i see
[06:09:00] tetra: computers make nice tables
[06:10:00] topher: heh
[06:10:00] topher: ah, ill have to figure this transcode thing out later
[06:10:00] earth-ox: tetra
[06:10:00] earth-ox: lol
[06:10:00] topher: later guys
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[06:11:00] earth-ox: tetra whatz better for me mythtv or vdr
[06:11:00] tetra: wtf is vdr
[06:11:00] tetra: lol
[06:11:00] tetra: you mean dvr?
[06:12:00] earth-ox: no vdr
[06:12:00] earth-ox: linux video disk recorder
[06:12:00] tetra: never heard of it
[06:13:00] earth-ox: i tring to firgure out if mythtv will do dishnetwork
[06:13:00] kormoc: if you have a ir blaster, it will do dish quite well
[06:14:00] earth-ox: ir blaster?
[06:14:00] alpha255: what about the hauppauge remote?
[06:14:00] alpha255: on the 250 card?
[06:14:00] kormoc: earth-ox, it's a ir trasmitter, so it emulates a remote and can change the channel on dish's external cable box
[06:15:00] alpha255: hauppauge wont' control the dish box
[06:15:00] alpha255: right?
[06:15:00] kormoc: earth-ox, you can't get the dish stream directly, so you need a dish box and myth uses the ir blaster to change the channel
[06:15:00] kormoc: alpha255, correct
[06:15:00] kormoc: hence the need for the irblaster
[06:15:00] earth-ox: i see it don't support dvb-s cards
[06:16:00] kormoc: myth supports a lot of dvb cards, it's just dish's stream is encrypted
[06:16:00] alpha255: can't unencrypt w/o gettting into legal hot water
[06:16:00] earth-ox: it can be decrypted
[06:16:00] alpha255: right?
[06:17:00] earth-ox: well there plugins
[06:17:00] earth-ox: softcams
[06:17:00] kormoc: earth-ox, if you know how to, then it's a valid option
[06:17:00] kormoc: earth-ox, not myth plugins, no
[06:17:00] kormoc: and none that are legal
[06:17:00] tetra: see, i can stack these computers to make the table as high as i want it :)
[06:17:00] earth-ox: kormoc well vdr can be setup for dish
[06:17:00] alpha255: geesh.... i pay my bill every month
[06:18:00] kormoc: earth-ox, it very likely uses a ir blaster as well, to be honest
[06:18:00] alpha255: and don't share the video stuff
[06:18:00] earth-ox: nice app but not gona do what i thought it could do
[06:19:00] alpha255: it's really good
[06:19:00] alpha255: and more stable tahn winmce
[06:19:00] earth-ox: i use vdr
[06:20:00] kormoc: welp, enjoy
[06:20:00] alpha255: vdr?
[06:20:00] earth-ox: yeah
[06:20:00] earth-ox: linux
[06:20:00] kormoc: alpha255, a oldish video disk recorder program that hasn't been kept too upto date iirc
[06:20:00] alpha255: aahhh
[06:21:00] earth-ox: upto date
[06:21:00] kormoc: last updated in 2003 it appears
[06:21:00] earth-ox: VDR-1.3.39 is Out!
[06:21:00] earth-ox: last night
[06:22:00] kormoc: welp, guess it's a different homepage then
[06:22:00] kormoc: the one I know of is cadsoft.de/vdr
[06:22:00] earth-ox: yeah linuxtv.org
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[06:23:00] earth-ox: http://www.hoochvdr.info
[06:24:00] kormoc: fair nuff
[06:25:00] earth-ox: i don't think mythtv will do what i want it to
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[07:35:00] defaultro: hey guys, forgot what parameters we need to use when compiling svn
[07:35:00] defaultro: can anyone share please?
[07:38:00] defaultro: i remember now, qmake mythtv.pro :)
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[07:51:00] Rux: I'm setting up mythtv on gentoo, but I was wondering what the easiest distro to get mythtv to work on is?
[07:51:00] Rux: I'm just using it for a media center no tv feed or anything
[07:54:00] tfm: rux: I would say FC4
[07:55:00] tfm: rux: pratically no maintenance, as everyting is prepackaged
[07:55:00] tfm: rux: you should be able to setup it up in 30 mins
[07:55:00] Rux: any problems with amd64?
[07:55:00] tfm: nope, there is support
[07:55:00] Rux: yay!
[07:56:00] tfm: just link to atrpms.net repository
[07:56:00] Rux: thanks
[07:56:00] kormoc: Rux, the best distro is the one you know best
[07:56:00] kormoc: gentoo is a fine choice if you're comfrontable with it
[07:56:00] tfm: it has x86_64 rpm's
[07:57:00] tfm: if you want to play and see how everything works --> go for gentoo
[07:57:00] tfm: if you just want to have it quickly work and automatically maintained by a repository system with 0% --> fc
[07:57:00] defaultro: i use FC3 but don't use the prepackaged programs
[07:57:00] defaultro: fc3 is stable too
[07:57:00] tfm: or another distro with centrally managed package systems
[07:57:00] kormoc: tfm, gentoo's emerge -u world keeps things easy
[07:57:00] defaultro: hi kormoc, how are you?
[07:57:00] tfm: kormoc: but it takes time ;)
[07:57:00] kormoc: quite well, how are you defaultro?
[07:57:00] tfm: defaultro: yup, very stable ;)
[07:58:00] Rux: I usually use mandriva and i saw there was support for it, but i was just wondering if there was one distro that had less problems than the others
[07:58:00] defaultro: kormoc, my new hdtv card is working now with linux
[07:58:00] defaultro: i'm doing ok
[07:58:00] ** tfm uses fc4 with cvs rpm's **
[07:58:00] tfm: amazing stable and fast
[07:58:00] xris: kormoc: happy new system?
[07:59:00] defaultro: i assisted michael krufky testing his driver
[07:59:00] defaultro: hi xris, what's up?
[07:59:00] xris: defaultro: not much. just about to ponder sleep
[07:59:00] defaultro: cool
[07:59:00] xris: or put nuvexport back into svn at mythtv.org
[07:59:00] xris: can't decide which.
[07:59:00] defaultro: it's going to take me 30 mins more to finish installation
[08:00:00] defaultro: are there any updates on nuvexport specifically on hd program
[08:00:00] tfm: sleep ?, its 9am ;)
[08:00:00] defaultro: it's 2am here
[08:00:00] tfm: do know, just kidding
[08:00:00] defaultro: :D
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[08:01:00] tfm: soit, off to work
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[08:01:00] tetra: sleep is for people without deadlines or coffee
[08:01:00] tfm: or work ;)
[08:01:00] defaultro: LOL
[08:01:00] tetra: sure
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[08:03:00] xris: defaultro: I haven't been able to get ANYTHING to encode HD.
[08:03:00] defaultro: ok
[08:03:00] xris: well, 720p and smaller works.
[08:03:00] defaultro: is anyone's mythbox connected to comcast or cable providers?
[08:03:00] defaultro: gotcha
[08:03:00] xris: but transcode, ffmpeg and mencoder all freak out in similar ways when I try 1080i
[08:03:00] xris: t's really pissing me off, actually
[08:03:00] defaultro: ok
[08:03:00] defaultro: xris, i have a new card that i added
[08:03:00] xris: cool
[08:04:00] defaultro: but it's my first time to connect it to my cable provider and it works great using azap
[08:04:00] defaultro: i know that i need to run mythsetup to add it
[08:04:00] defaultro: i also need to add a new channel lineup in zap2it
[08:04:00] defaultro: however, my concern is the channel numbers
[08:04:00] defaultro: I haven't seen anyone explain in detail how to go about it
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[08:05:00] defaultro: i'm afraid that I might screen up my existing OTA channels
[08:05:00] defaultro: hmmm
[08:05:00] tetra: would be great to be able to configure channels manually.
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[08:05:00] defaultro: s/screen/screw/
[08:05:00] defaultro: that's what i would do too
[08:06:00] defaultro: but i need just one step
[08:06:00] defaultro: and i'll figure out the rest
[08:06:00] defaultro: i mean, step to change channels for cable
[08:06:00] tetra: yeah
[08:07:00] tetra: like channel 42
[08:07:00] tetra: it's not in the system but
[08:07:00] defaultro: ok
[08:07:00] tetra: and so it won't let me change to it
[08:08:00] tetra: i think that's crap
[08:08:00] defaultro: k
[08:09:00] tetra: can't edit channels in mythtv
[08:09:00] defaultro: i think by modifying directly from mysql, it's possible
[08:09:00] defaultro: i remember early last year, I modified my channels to have underscores
[08:10:00] tetra: i still don't want to fsck with mysql
[08:10:00] tetra: might be nice for those few out there that have expert experience with sql
[08:11:00] defaultro: i do sql
[08:11:00] defaultro: but i need to know which fields to modify
[08:11:00] xris: defaultro: me, too. not good for a remote, though
[08:11:00] defaultro: yep
[08:11:00] xris: tetra: mythweb channel editor
[08:11:00] tetra: would be better if mythtv didn't use mysql or any sql
[08:11:00] defaultro: huh?
[08:12:00] defaultro: it's a lot of help
[08:12:00] xris: tetra: as opposed to what? proprietary file format?
[08:12:00] defaultro: especially management
[08:12:00] tetra: plain text
[08:12:00] defaultro: that sucks
[08:12:00] defaultro: it's slow
[08:12:00] tetra: mhm, anyway
[08:12:00] xris: tetra: you haven't seen some of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes
[08:12:00] xris: sql is a blessing.
[08:12:00] tetra: mythweb was always 7 hours off for me
[08:13:00] defaultro: then wrong setting
[08:13:00] xris: tetra: sounds like your clock was wrong, then
[08:13:00] defaultro: i love xris' mythweb
[08:13:00] tetra: not really
[08:13:00] tetra: get this
[08:13:00] tetra: mythtv works fine
[08:13:00] defaultro: took me 5 mins to set it up
[08:13:00] tetra: program guide shows correct times
[08:13:00] xris: tetra: apache is more picky about proper timezone setup
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[08:13:00] tetra: so you think it's apache
[08:14:00] xris: well, that's where mythweb gets the time from
[08:14:00] xris: apache -> php -> mythweb
[08:14:00] ** defaultro just got his latest mythtv version, 0.18.2 W00T **
[08:14:00] tetra: i use local time not UTC
[08:14:00] tetra: since UTC breaks many more things
[08:14:00] xris: defaultro: just in time for .19 to come out soon. heh
[08:14:00] tetra: pre0.19 is nice
[08:15:00] xris: tetra: dunno what to say... works fine on every system I've installed it on.
[08:15:00] tetra: at first .19 seemed faster at changing channels but now it's even slower
[08:15:00] tetra: xris: i haven't found a system it works on yet
[08:15:00] tetra: xris: well, it works, but the time display of viewings are minus 7 hours
[08:16:00] tetra: it's weird because on the exact same computer mythbackend runs on all mythfrontends connecting to it shows correct times in their program guides
[08:17:00] tetra: i don't remember seeing any time configuration in apache2.conf
[08:17:00] tetra: any recommendations?
[08:17:00] defaultro: oh, .19 is coming out soon? When though?
[08:17:00] xris: tetra: that's a timezone issue. I've seen it before. don't remember how to fix it, though.
[08:18:00] defaultro: where can I see change log of .19?
[08:18:00] defaultro: i want to know what updates have been made
[08:18:00] tetra: xris: my timezone is just fine.
[08:18:00] xris: defaultro: dunno if I can say (not finalized yet)... probably within a month, depending on bugs and other stuff. feature freeze starts this weekend.
[08:18:00] defaultro: ok
[08:18:00] defaultro: any change log link?
[08:18:00] kormoc: xris, seems to be happy, aye
[08:18:00] tetra: xris: if you're referring to /etc/localtime
[08:19:00] xris: tetra: dunno. is the clock in mythweb correct?
[08:19:00] tetra: xris: minus 7 hours
[08:19:00] tetra: i am GMT-7
[08:20:00] tetra: and /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Arizona
[08:20:00] tetra: i hate how certain programmers think everything should work with CLOCK=UTC
[08:21:00] kormoc: but it's bed time, night folks
[08:21:00] tetra: it doesn't
[08:21:00] tetra: kormoc: later
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[08:21:00] xris: tetra: I'm not particularly familiar with how timezone stuff is set up. but there
[08:21:00] xris: there's definitely something not quite right with yours
[08:22:00] tetra: yeah
[08:22:00] tetra: i fought with it for a couple weeks
[08:22:00] tetra: and gave up
[08:23:00] xris: yeah, that's quite odd
[08:23:00] tetra: odd that mythweb is the only thing I have found that has the time off
[08:24:00] tetra: it isn't getting the time correctly
[08:24:00] xris: tetra: mythweb calls time()
[08:24:00] xris: that's it
[08:24:00] xris: or are you saying that other php programs work fine?
[08:26:00] tetra: something like that, i'm really not sure
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[08:29:00] xris: ok, time for sleep.
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[08:38:00] defaultro: is it really possible in FC3 for root autologin? I've tried many times but it doesn't work
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[09:14:00] poonj: hey guys
[09:15:00] poonj: I'm running into a couple of problems.....I've setup an autologin through gdm and I'm trying to autostart a couple of programs, irxevent, irexec, mythbackend, and mythfrontend. For some reason, irxevent doesn't load and mythfrontend takes forever to load
[09:15:00] poonj: any idea what the reason for that can be?
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[09:20:00] topher: how do i find out why a transcode failed?
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[09:21:00] topher: my mythweb interface shows both transcodes i started failed but i do not know why. is there an error log somewhere?
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[09:46:00] juski: poonj: you should really run mythbackend, irxevent and irexec as services.. definitely mythbackend as a service annyway.
[09:46:00] juski: *anyway
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[09:48:00] poonj: juski: yeah
[09:48:00] poonj: juski: but it doesn't load up when I enter them in the scripts
[09:48:00] poonj: its reallyt weird
[09:48:00] poonj: it doesn't work with autologin
[09:56:00] juski: poonj: there are various init.d scripts for mythbackend in the contrib directory
[09:57:00] juski: what distro are you using anyway?
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[10:26:00] fatmatt: poonj: where are you putting the startup scripts?
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[10:48:00] ** _willcooke_ has Jaffa Cakes for breakfasy **
[10:48:00] _willcooke_: t
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[10:53:00] lesshaste: are there any program guides for satellite?
[10:54:00] juski: lesshaste: depends what channels you want and where you live
[10:54:00] lesshaste: how about Arte?
[10:54:00] lesshaste: I am in the UK
[10:55:00] juski: try tv_grab_uk_rt.. that can do lots of channels
[10:56:00] lesshaste: sorry I am new.. is that a command line?
[10:56:00] juski: full channels list the rt grabber can do is at: http://xmltv.radiotimes.beeb.com/channels.dat
[10:57:00] juski: oops make that http://xmltv..beeb.com/xmltv/channels.dat
[10:57:00] lesshaste: that url is not working
[10:57:00] lesshaste: ok :)
[10:57:00] juski: that script (uk_rt) is the default grabber in mythtv for the UK
[10:57:00] lesshaste: hmm.. still not a valid url is seems.
[10:58:00] lesshaste: s/is/it
[10:58:00] juski: remove a dot before the beeb.com
[10:59:00] lesshaste: http://xmltv.beeb.com/xmltv/channels.dat ?
[10:59:00] lesshaste: not valid either
[10:59:00] lesshaste: http://xmltv.beeb.com/ doesn't exist
[11:00:00] _willcooke_: http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat
[11:00:00] lesshaste: ok.. so that is not relevant to satellite
[11:00:00] lesshaste: this is a french channel
[11:01:00] lesshaste: which you can pick up by satellite from the uk
[11:02:00] _willcooke_: you'll need a french listings grabber then (tv_grab_fr perhaps, just a guess)
[11:04:00] lesshaste: the satellite is astra
[11:04:00] lesshaste: astra 1... shouldn't it be called tv_grab_astra?
[11:04:00] lesshaste: I am a bit confused
[11:04:00] juski: lesshaste: that site does tv5, so doesn't just do English
[11:04:00] lesshaste: juski: right.. but it doesn't do the channels on astra 1 it seems for example
[11:04:00] juski: and most DVB-S channels have an EPG in the stream anyway
[11:05:00] lesshaste: juski: interesting! How do you get mythtv to find that?
[11:05:00] lesshaste: that sounds like what I need
[11:07:00] lesshaste: anyone know?
[11:09:00] _willcooke_: in mythtv-setup, the channel editor, there is a check box for using the over-the-air data (EIT I think), just tick that
[11:09:00] _willcooke_: assuming you have a dvb-s card
[11:09:00] juski: yeh but also – mythtv has to have been compiled with support for EIT data.. most binary packages have been, if not all
[11:10:00] lesshaste: thx very much!
[11:10:00] lesshaste: I will play around and report back :)
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[11:28:00] _willcooke_: juski, hit a major snag with my file-moving script! Not unsuprisingly, you cant tell scp to copy a file from A to B when initiating that command on C, if you see what I mean.
[11:28:00] juski: ah
[11:28:00] _willcooke_: looks like NFS it is then!
[11:28:00] juski: or SMBFS
[11:29:00] _willcooke_: could do, I have no windows machines in my house anymore, so I dont know there is a benefit, unless SMB is more efficent than nfs?
[11:29:00] juski: nah
[11:29:00] juski: NFS it is then
[11:29:00] _willcooke_: :)
[11:29:00] lesshaste: nfs is fine as long as you do it over tcp
[11:29:00] lesshaste: nfs over udp is dodgy
[11:29:00] _willcooke_: I assume TCP is the default? Why would anyone want to use it over UDP??
[11:30:00] juski: aye TCP is by default IIRC
[11:30:00] ** _willcooke_ also needs to look at extending an LVM **
[11:30:00] ** juski is assembling an IP camera **
[11:30:00] _willcooke_: ubuntu nfs howto breezy
[11:31:00] _willcooke_: oops, that was meant for google!
[11:31:00] juski: apt-get install nfs
[11:31:00] juski: then make an /etc/exports file
[11:31:00] _willcooke_: isnt there a load of portmapper crap to sort out?
[11:31:00] juski: apt-get instal portmap
[11:31:00] _willcooke_: :)
[11:31:00] juski: ' /etc/init.d/portmap start
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[11:32:00] juski: ' /etc/init.d/nfs start (iirc)
[11:33:00] _willcooke_: seems to start automagically
[11:35:00] juski: one of the beauties about 'bongo, is that
[11:36:00] sjaakz0r: hello, people
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[11:50:00] BockBilbo: hello
[11:52:00] BockBilbo: can anyone tell me if it is possible to watch DVB-C in mythtv using the keys from a funcard?
[11:52:00] _willcooke_: juski, are you using sync or async for your nfs
[11:53:00] _willcooke_: BockBilbo, sorry – never heard of a funcard
[11:53:00] _willcooke_: BockBilbo, also I dont know anything about dvb-c
[11:53:00] BockBilbo: _willcooke_, a funcard is the card used in the digital tv decoders in order to watch pay per view, for instance
[11:54:00] _willcooke_: BockBilbo, Ahh, right. In which case you will probably need a dvb-c (pci)card with a "CAM" slot
[11:55:00] _willcooke_: if they exist, then I would say Yes, you can watch it
[11:55:00] juski: sync
[11:56:00] juski: BockBilbo: no talking about such things in here
[11:56:00] BockBilbo: see _willcooke_ i have an usb card, a Plextor Convertx... ive read on the internet that some programs simulate the functions of such a card without having to use one directly on the computer
[11:56:00] juski: oops.. if it's a valid hardware CAM with a compatible receiver then yeh it might work
[11:56:00] BockBilbo: ok juski , i wasnt talking about anything illegal though ;)
[11:57:00] juski: using non-hardware decoding is still legally dubious, since they have both kinds of uses
[11:57:00] BockBilbo: ok, i wont ask about it again
[11:58:00] BockBilbo: sorry about that
[11:58:00] juski: BockBilbo: a proper card with a CI interface & a hardware CAM would be supported though (I think)
[11:58:00] _willcooke_: BockBilbo, the easiest thing to do is buy a card with a CAM, problem solved then!
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[11:59:00] BockBilbo: alrite , so i guess im gonna buy that
[11:59:00] juski: YMMV though
[12:00:00] BockBilbo: do you guys of any CAM supported by linux and mythtv
[12:00:00] ** _willcooke_ doesnt **
[12:00:00] _willcooke_: there will be some, somewhere
[12:00:00] juski: BockBilbo: I think it's more a case of the card having to support the CAM.. if it uses the common interface all should be well
[12:01:00] BockBilbo: thanks
[12:01:00] BockBilbo: gonna take a look on google
[12:01:00] _willcooke_: the linux-dvb mailing list should throw up some answers
[12:01:00] juski: the CI is a standard, so they say
[12:01:00] _willcooke_: The great thing about standards is there's so many of them.
[12:01:00] _willcooke_: :)
[12:02:00] juski: then whether the CI slot is supported or not depends on the card driver
[12:02:00] _willcooke_: Aha! NFS up an running
[12:02:00] juski: lunchytime
[12:02:00] juski: no jaffa cakes for me :-/
[12:02:00] _willcooke_: I'm having Big Macs today!
[12:02:00] _willcooke_: got some vouchers for free ones
[12:02:00] juski: eew
[12:03:00] _willcooke_: note macs, not mac
[12:03:00] _willcooke_: Mmmmmm. Greasy
[12:03:00] juski: who's Mac ? ;)
[12:03:00] _willcooke_: The King Of Lard
[12:03:00] _willcooke_: Are you having some seeds, and wholemeal bread, followed by a carrot juice
[12:04:00] juski: nah.. gannin' t' tesco
[12:04:00] _willcooke_: :) Enjoyt
[12:05:00] ** juski fancies some doughnuts today **
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[12:36:00] juski: time to go trawling for some free stuff for my new watermarks
[12:39:00] _willcooke_: mmmmmm. That's better! I'm stuffed now, full of maccy goodness.
[12:47:00] juski: dammit.. every single 3d model site I find is blocked by Surf Patrol.
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[12:51:00] _willcooke_: :) can you use an external proxy?
[12:52:00] juski: yeh but can't be bothered
[12:54:00] Rux: i finally got mythtv working and it's reporting that it's using 990MB of ram leaving 10MB free. is that normal?
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[12:55:00] Rux: and it's not using any of the swap
[12:56:00] juski: linux will take up as much RAM as you've got, if it sees fit
[12:56:00] juski: and it it's not using swap, that means it's not short on RAM ;)
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[12:57:00] Rux: hmm i guess it works then
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[13:40:00] Merlin83b: juski! I watched TV for over about 45 minutes over lunchtime and no stuttering!
[13:41:00] laga: juski: hey, ya there?
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[13:46:00] GreyFoxx: Merlin83b: What did you do to fix it ?
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[13:47:00] Merlin83b: I applied your patches :-)
[13:47:00] GreyFoxx: oh, heh :)
[13:47:00] Merlin83b: Oh, and I put use video for timebase option on
[13:47:00] Merlin83b: But I've tried that before.
[13:47:00] GreyFoxx: cool stuff :)
[13:47:00] Merlin83b: The difference is a new SVN and your patches as far as I'm concerned.
[13:47:00] Merlin83b: I will give it a day or two running as it is now and then the big spend will begin.
[13:47:00] Merlin83b: Another tuner and a silent case :-)
[13:48:00] Merlin83b: Oh, and a stonking great hdd.
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[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: cool. I love new toys
[13:50:00] juski: laga: here (just)
[13:50:00] juski: Merlin83b: great news!
[13:51:00] laga: juski: have we ever banned someone for being an annoying idiot?
[13:51:00] juski: laga: I dunno
[13:51:00] juski: I haven't.. yet
[13:52:00] Merlin83b: juski: You're telling me. Thanks for all the help over the past couple of weeks :-)
[13:52:00] laga: juski: maybe i'll make a precedence here.
[13:52:00] Merlin83b: Just one more issue ;-)
[13:52:00] GreyFoxx: Sounds like a fine reason to do it
[13:52:00] Merlin83b: As ever.
[13:52:00] Merlin83b: Relatively often, particularly after starting up LiveTV or changing channels, the remote inputs are ignored for a time.
[13:52:00] juski: seems my theme has run into another snag... overscan considerations... grrr
[13:52:00] laga: GreyFoxx: yeah, but it would be against our rules. i'll just tell him politely that he sucks as a human being and should go away
[13:52:00] Merlin83b: Oh, and the fact it takes a serious amount of time to change DVB channels.
[13:53:00] juski: here's me thinking that was what the GUI size options were for
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[13:53:00] juski: Merlin83b: not much can be done about that
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: Changing channels was much quicker under .18.1.
[13:54:00] Merlin83b: But that's just a niggle – the system as a whole is workable now :-)
[13:54:00] GreyFoxx: laga ahhh
[13:55:00] juski: Merlin83b: might be tweakable.. could be something to do with waiting for a valid packet start or summat
[13:55:00] juski: laga: go get him :-D
[13:56:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, I may play with it at some point but I'm going to leave it as is for a few days I think!
[13:56:00] laga: juski: :)
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[14:08:00] juski: laga: that isn't the guy who keeps on talking about Garden Gnomes is it?
[14:09:00] juski: in any case, we can always get the rules changed.. other forums ban people for going off-topic, thread hijacking & all sorts
[14:09:00] juski: I think we're very liberal
[14:09:00] laga: juski: nope, some other guy from the vdr community. he's made a project that integrates vdr into mythtv (vdr for dvb, mythtv because of the plugins). when people ask him about it, he gets rude and stuff. i can't stand his behaviour.
[14:10:00] laga: juski: we are, and i'd like to keep it that way. i'm gonna appoint another moderator for the german forum ASAP because i'm afraid i overreact.
[14:11:00] juski: vdr into mythtv.. half-bred bastard son of the devil (and mythtv).. or something
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[14:11:00] juski: laga: you're at least in touch with the fact you might overreact ;)
[14:13:00] juski: not looking fwd to resizing all these bloody theme elements _again_ I can tell you. might make a temporary 'safe area' overlay for the graphics to make life easier
[14:13:00] laga: juski: yeah. i need some control ;)
[14:13:00] juski: just take it out on people here like I do ;)
[14:13:00] juski: vent!
[14:13:00] laga: juski: why do people complain about overscan? they should use mythtv's gui size setting.
[14:13:00] laga: juski: yeah, flaming is fun.
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[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: juski: It would be nice if there was a gui based theme designer. Let you dragstuff around and edit elements, with an overscan grid overlay, and when you are done spit out theXML needed to generate what is currently on screen
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[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: would make theme creation and edits trivial
[14:14:00] juski: leaving only the PNG files.. that'd be neat. I'll get right on it...
[14:14:00] juski: .. there.. finished...
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: sweet
[14:16:00] juski: damn.. now where did I put all that code?
[14:16:00] juski: someone else wil have to do it now ;)
[14:16:00] laga: darn instant hdd failures ;)
[14:17:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[14:17:00] laga: wow, mythtvtalk costs me over one hour per day. weird. i should take a break ;)
[14:17:00] Cromz: did you put it on a pen drive and got washed in the washer and then it wash all your data off it?
[14:17:00] juski: I had it all cached in my head.. thenit just.. vanished :-/
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: tsk tsk, backups are your friend
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[14:18:00] juski: oh here we go again... brain the size of a planet.. and they're asking me to make some 10 way ribbon cables... duh. that assistant drone I'm getting can't arrive too soon
[14:18:00] laga: binge@drinking:/pub/> flush cache
[14:18:00] laga: ;)
[14:19:00] Cromz: ok that pen drive story. true.. in our japan office that was on one of the recoveries. not the part about juski.. the washer
[14:19:00] laga: juski: have you read the hitchhiker's guide recently?
[14:19:00] juski: laga: never read.. fan of the radio series though
[14:19:00] ** laga hands juski some good ol' jaanx spirit **
[14:19:00] laga: juski: nice. i'm currently finishing the last book or so
[14:22:00] juski: I enjoyed the theory about everything in the universe being ruled by resteraunt bills
[14:22:00] laga: italian bistros, to be more specific
[14:22:00] laga: i really loved slartibartfast and his starship bistromath :)
[14:22:00] juski: heh
[14:22:00] laga: did you see the movie?
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[14:22:00] juski: last thing I read was John Peel's Biog
[14:23:00] juski: laga: yeh... wasn't so bad.. not as good as I thought it'd be though
[14:23:00] laga: juski: yep. they had this love story going on between trillian and arthur. that really killed the movie for me.
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: so that wasn't in the books I assume ?
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: I've only seen the movie and vaguely remember some TV stuff from manym any years ago
[14:26:00] juski: no it wasn't in the book. It was invented to get the film made I think
[14:26:00] laga: nope, it was not in the books. arthur never got trillian, except that she gave birth to a child whose father he was – he'd donated sperm and she didn't notice it was his sperm when she went to the sperm bank.
[14:27:00] _willcooke_: that's a lot of sperm laga
[14:27:00] _willcooke_: :D
[14:27:00] juski: heh.. so I suppose they _did_ get it together in the end.. if only by proxy ;)
[14:27:00] laga: he had a relationship with some girl called fenchurch, but she vanished because of multidimensional oddities.
[14:28:00] _willcooke_: did you both hear the latests radio series?
[14:28:00] juski: as often happens when you're out on the razz
[14:28:00] laga: juski: hehe. yeah, probably. but the movie actually didn't cover the last book so i'd really like to have the script author shot.
[14:28:00] juski: I heard bits of it, always planning to listen again online, but got sidetracked with something or other
[14:28:00] laga: _willcooke_: nope, i have never heard them. i prefer reading
[14:29:00] laga: sorry for ranting, but i'm quite a fanboy ;)
[14:29:00] juski: maybe reading something other than XML would do me some good
[14:29:00] _willcooke_: radio series is, I think, the best. (And also the original)
[14:29:00] juski: yep.. Stephen Fry is no Peter Jones, that's for sure
[14:29:00] laga: juski: stuff like douglas adams or terry pratchett is the right distraction for geeks ;)
[14:29:00] _willcooke_: so true
[14:31:00] juski: used to like reading James Paterson.. but since his last 2 books (collaborationswith other authors) I've no interest any more
[14:31:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think Iv'e read a single Terry Pratchett book
[14:31:00] GreyFoxx: juski: I agree
[14:32:00] juski: might try Kafka.. could make me feel better about living in the UK under Blair
[14:32:00] laga: GreyFoxx: try it. it'S weird stuff, but quite entertaining
[14:32:00] laga: juski: muhaha :)
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I read so many books now I don't think I could fit another author into my lineup :)
[14:32:00] laga: i really like hermann hesse, but i don't know if the translations are any good.
[14:32:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i will get back to you into a few months or so ;)
[14:33:00] juski: read aTom Clancy book once.. that's 6 hours of my life I'll never get back
[14:35:00] juski: get that O'Reilly book: Sed & Awk.. nice bedtime reading ;)
[14:35:00] ** juski finds some other way to look busy **
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[15:16:00] coffee88: Hi. Anyone had any sucess getting nuvexport to export a DVBt recording into a state to throw on a DVD? I just get errors....
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[15:17:00] juski: coffee88: every time I've had cause to do that I just copy the recording to my desktop machine & use PVASTRUMENTO to remux it
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[15:18:00] coffee88: juski: I suspect I may have to do that, but the mythbox is on a very slow network link.... Trying to avoid copying over if I can.
[15:19:00] dagfinnr: hi :) my channels are now working, but the colors are kindof "colorless", especially the red color aint that "sharp/good"
[15:19:00] juski: ahh.. I think someone here will be able to help...
[15:20:00] juski: dagfinnr: framegrabber card? I think that's a symptom of using the jtpeg codec
[15:20:00] dagfinnr: juski, prv150, is that framegrabber card?
[15:20:00] galorin: Is anyone in here outputting to a 16:9 format tv?
[15:20:00] juski: nope.. there'll be an ivtvctl to boost the colour a bit
[15:20:00] juski: galorin: yep
[15:20:00] dagfinnr: and the sound is a slight out of sync
[15:21:00] juski: in 720x576 with a display size of 400:225 in xorg.conf
[15:21:00] galorin: juski, you seem to do everything LOL
[15:21:00] galorin: I thought that'd be all I needed to do, but I wanted to double-check.
[15:22:00] laga: hehe. yeah, juski is da man ;)
[15:22:00] juski: galorin: you can't use a wide theme though.. they're designed for 16:9 resolutions (which 720x576 is not)
[15:22:00] juski: laga: yeh, right
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[15:23:00] dagfinnr: is there an own ivtv channel?
[15:24:00] galorin: My in-law just forked out £600 for a 26" widescreen that he wants this mythbox hooked up to. Any reccomended themes, or just stick with one of the 2 that comes with it
[15:24:00] juski: ivtv-dev or just ivtv (def. the 1st one)
[15:24:00] juski: galorin: www.juski.co.uk
[15:24:00] coffee88: juski: Using PVAetc... do you the edit the processed file to remove ads etc before burning?
[15:24:00] fryfrog: #ivtv doesn't exist
[15:24:00] _willcooke_: 600quid for a 26" telly??? Is it made of gold?! ;)
[15:24:00] fryfrog: its prolly an lcd
[15:24:00] fryfrog: or plasma?
[15:24:00] juski: _willcooke_: maybe it's a decent one ;)
[15:25:00] fryfrog: i got my 30" WS tube for $850, and its a very nice one
[15:25:00] juski: or B&O :-P
[15:25:00] _willcooke_: Pah! There's nothing wrong with my Bush telly!! ;p
[15:25:00] fryfrog: did he get a Bose system to go with it?
[15:25:00] galorin: It's actually a LCD monitor, with DVI-D input, and about half a dozen others.
[15:25:00] _willcooke_: ahh, nice!
[15:25:00] _willcooke_: Good picture then, from a pc
[15:26:00] ** juski admires _willcooke_'s Bush ;) **
[15:26:00] galorin: fryfrog, no, but he did spend $500 on his speakers, and £300 on a factory-soiled amp that normally goes for £1000
[15:26:00] ** _willcooke_ trims his bush **
[15:26:00] dagfinnr: will using another firmware on ivtv (i now have 0.4.1) solve the bad color problem?
[15:26:00] fryfrog: I'd <3 one of those 24" dell monitors :/
[15:26:00] fryfrog: galorin: good for him, bose is the suke!
[15:26:00] fryfrog: dagfinnr: firmware or *driver*?
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[15:27:00] fryfrog: dagfinnr: cause they do-bie different things
[15:27:00] galorin: I can't remember what he got, but it was one of 2 from Dabs. I'm waiting for delivery
[15:27:00] galorin: He needs some bass traps in his room though. Leather sofa, but the walls are bare and he has hardwood flooring
[15:29:00] dagfinnr: fryfrog; in dmesg i get that i should change firmware .. so i guess its the firmware i have to change, but i dunno if that would solve the color problem?
[15:30:00] defaultro: hey guys, any ideas why i'm getting "Failed to open card" in mythtv-setup for a card that is not in use? It only happened when I started scanning channels
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[15:34:00] fryfrog: dagfinnr: its worth a try using the firmware they recommend
[15:35:00] _willcooke_: defaultro, is the backend running?
[15:37:00] juski: time to install python (yay!)
[15:37:00] fryfrog: i have a ball python, does that coutn?
[15:37:00] defaultro: i have it running
[15:38:00] fryfrog: backend should be stopped
[15:38:00] defaultro: i should kill it?
[15:38:00] fryfrog: when you run setup
[15:38:00] dagfinnr: what values do you guy have at ivtvctl -Y ?
[15:38:00] defaultro: of, i forgot about it
[15:38:00] defaultro: thanks
[15:38:00] defaultro: trying it now
[15:38:00] fryfrog: i think lsmod might give you an idea if something is using the ivtv driver too
[15:38:00] fryfrog: ie, with backend stopped and nothing going it should have a "0" i think?
[15:38:00] fryfrog: could be wrong on that though
[15:39:00] fryfrog: oh, well i spose you might not even be talking about ivtv :0
[15:39:00] galorin: fuser /dev/whatever/the/device/is will tell you what's tying up the device
[15:39:00] fryfrog: ah
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[15:39:00] dagfinnr: fryfrog, what values do you got at ivtvctl -Y ?
[15:40:00] defaultro: it's working now
[15:40:00] defaultro: it's scanning
[15:40:00] coffee88: juski: PVAStrumento windows only? :-( Still, looks simple compared to ffmeg or transcode methods.....
[15:40:00] fryfrog: http://pastebin.com/513094
[15:41:00] defaultro: i was wondering why my lirc does not work anymore with the stable svn versoin
[15:41:00] _willcooke_: coffee88, it does run under wine, sort of
[15:41:00] coffee88: _willcooke_: "sort of"?
[15:41:00] defaultro: i remember the last time i configured my mythtv, i specified native-lirc. It's not there anymore. It's actually enabled
[15:41:00] _willcooke_: coffee88, :) – Try it, you'll see!
[15:41:00] defaultro: but was wondering how I can tell mythtv to use specific lirc directory
[15:42:00] dagfinnr: thy fryfrog
[15:42:00] juski: coffee88: projectX is pretty good too
[15:42:00] fryfrog: np, i've not tweaked any settings
[15:42:00] dagfinnr: k
[15:42:00] coffee88: _willcooke_: so far tried to avoid wine altogether..... Still trying to do that....
[15:42:00] _willcooke_: coffee88, good idea! In which case, as juski said, try projectX
[15:43:00] coffee88: Cool. Checking it out now...
[15:43:00] defaultro: anyone please, I have a non-standard dir of my lirc. It's /usr/local/lirc-ledrecvd
[15:43:00] dagfinnr: is there any good videofilters to use?
[15:46:00] defaultro: was wondering why I'm getting this kind of message specifically DVB#0
[15:46:00] defaultro: 2006-01–19 09:45:36.346 DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!
[15:47:00] defaultro: I'm doing a QAM256 scan btw. It should be DVB#1 right
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[15:48:00] juski: dagfinnr: just use the video as-is.. looks pretty good, does DVB-T
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[15:50:00] dagfinnr: k, im using regular antenna, one channel has some small lines horizontally
[15:50:00] juski: ah
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Any luck getting data from your channels ?
[15:51:00] juski: dagfinnr: change the recording profiles to use 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL/SECAM).. it'll look much better
[15:51:00] juski: oh and bump the audio sampling rate on all profiles to 48khz
[15:52:00] Tommck: hey defaultro
[15:53:00] dagfinnr: ok
[15:55:00] defaultro: hi Tomm
[15:55:00] dagfinnr: seems like when i use ivtvctl --set-ctrl=hue=40
[15:55:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, with azap, it's fine
[15:55:00] juski: dagfinnr: also, it won't inc3rease the filesize much either ;)
[15:55:00] defaultro: but am having a hard time w/ mythtsetup
[15:55:00] Tommck: defaultro – long time no chat
[15:55:00] defaultro: yep
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: How many channels were you able to get access to out of the 107 ?
[15:55:00] defaultro: I still don't know
[15:55:00] dagfinnr: seems like when i use ivtvctl --set-ctrl=hue=something, and get the colors correct, and exit livetv, and when i enter it again, the colors is back to the old ones
[15:55:00] defaultro: am still in mythtvsetup
[15:55:00] Tommck: defaultro – you're having issues with Myth still?
[15:55:00] defaultro: nope
[15:55:00] dagfinnr: how can i save my color settings in ivtvctl?
[15:56:00] defaultro: it's a new card i added yesterrday
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Ok, I assumed you would go through several with azap :)
[15:56:00] defaultro: oh sorry
[15:56:00] defaultro: i tried FOX-HD and it worked
[15:56:00] Tommck: defaultro – I havent' hung out in here in a long time... been contemplating upgrading my software because of a few nagging bugs that may or may not be fixed
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Sweet
[15:56:00] defaultro: i just upgraded 5 hours ago
[15:56:00] coffee88: heh! does anyone know an easy way work out what nuv file is what programme to take a copy?!
[15:56:00] Tommck: my stuff's been pretty stable for a while, but I'm on some older stuff...
[15:56:00] defaultro: i did ./azap -a 1 FOX-HD -r then cat /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0 > somefile.mpg
[15:57:00] defaultro: -a 1 for adapter1
[15:57:00] juski: coffee88: google for mythlink ;)
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Picture looked sweet I assume ? :)
[15:57:00] defaultro: It was ok
[15:57:00] juski: it's a script that makes symbolic links to your recordings, and it gives em friendly names ;)
[15:57:00] defaultro: I only captured 5 secs
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: Of course it could have been a non HD show :)
[15:58:00] defaultro: yep
[15:58:00] defaultro: i just need to get one channel working with mythtv and I can follow the next channels
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: man , I want one more than ever now to see if it's in the clear here
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: what is azap?
[15:58:00] fryfrog: defaultro: you tryin to get QAM working?
[15:58:00] defaultro: tuning tool for atsc/dvb
[15:58:00] defaultro: yep fryfrog
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: ah ok
[15:58:00] defaultro: i have scanned 107 services
[15:58:00] fryfrog: I got myth tuning a *ton* of QAM channels, but now i need to get em assosiated correctly
[15:59:00] defaultro: me too
[15:59:00] defaultro: exactly, that's my issue
[15:59:00] defaultro: association
[15:59:00] coffee88: juski: sweet. Thanks.
[15:59:00] fryfrog: i *think* i want to merge my cable line up with the scanned channels
[15:59:00] defaultro: i haven't done any thing yet
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: Associating a chnnel/name with them ?
[15:59:00] defaultro: yep
[15:59:00] fryfrog: so "841" is what myth found at like 7#21
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[15:59:00] defaultro: let me look at my screen again
[15:59:00] defaultro: brb
[15:59:00] fryfrog: so i need to stick the channel number *and* xmltv id in i think
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[16:00:00] fryfrog: but its a pain in the *ass* to tune to 7#1, figure out which stupid cable channel it is...
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: My not just make a new video source, associate the card with that source, scan for channels, and use the channel editor to change the channelname/info ?
[16:00:00] dagfinnr: hmm .. the ivtvctl --set-ctcl color settings is beeing reset everytime i change a channel .. how can i save it?
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: I'm suprised it doesn't pick the channel name or callsign from the broadcast info
[16:00:00] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: thats the idea, but just changing the chan name/info isn't enough, i need the xmltv id too?
[16:00:00] defaultro: i selected the Finish button after scanning channels, I didn't see any newly added channel :(
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: no
[16:00:00] fryfrog: its cable QAM :(
[16:00:00] defaultro: I did that GreyFoxx
[16:01:00] defaultro: i had no issues with menu 2,3 and 4
[16:01:00] fryfrog: if it was OTA, i'd already have the channel line up from zap2it
[16:01:00] defaultro: but on Channel Editor, I scanned using cable
[16:01:00] ** GreyFoxx will be going through this once he gets one of those cards **
[16:01:00] defaultro: but stdout shows it's DVB#0 which is the first adapter
[16:02:00] defaultro: it should be DVB#1 right?
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: I assume, but I've never had more than 1 dvb card in a box :)
[16:02:00] defaultro: ok
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[16:05:00] juski: here's a thought.. maybee adding the new card has changed the order of the devices.. modules loading in a different order (or summat) can do that, can't they?
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[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: could very well be
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: I hate it when Iv'e had NIC's that did that heh
[16:06:00] defaultro: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/161800?
[16:07:00] defaultro: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2005-July/003617.html
[16:08:00] defaultro: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2005-July/003842.html
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[16:13:00] Beirdo: I hate stupid people
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: Ahmen
[16:13:00] Beirdo: people that put in a ticket saying they have a bug, then describe the bug... then put in a feature request
[16:14:00] _madis: hi, does somebody know some dvb-c tv card and where i can buy it
[16:14:00] Beirdo: put in TWO TICKETS, tard-boy
[16:14:00] Beirdo: and they did it anonymously
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[16:15:00] Beirdo: _madis: google, and google
[16:15:00] AndyCap: _madis: or linuxtv.org wiki and google.
[16:16:00] dagfinnr: how can i avoid recording programs with (rerun) ? If i choose to record one showing of the program every day, it selects the rerun, cus thats beeing showed first ..
[16:16:00] Beirdo: heh, google woulda found linuxtv.org
[16:16:00] Beirdo: but yeah
[16:16:00] Beirdo: isn't there a "new programs only" setting?
[16:16:00] Beirdo: I thought I saw one at one point
[16:16:00] sphing: yes
[16:17:00] sphing: then the ability to match "new"
[16:17:00] dagfinnr: Beirdo, where?
[16:17:00] Beirdo: "somewhere"
[16:17:00] sphing: in the recording options
[16:17:00] sphing: its there, I'm positive I use it daily
[16:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:17:00] sphing: 18.1 at least
[16:17:00] Beirdo: I just let my machine record everything
[16:17:00] Beirdo: but I do recall having seen it
[16:17:00] sphing: not all of use have a 1tb
[16:18:00] dagfinnr: hehe
[16:18:00] Beirdo: that's what more drives are good for
[16:18:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:18:00] sphing: <-- college student
[16:18:00] Beirdo: and I don't have 1TB
[16:18:00] sphing: <--- poor
[16:18:00] Beirdo: only 960GB
[16:18:00] dagfinnr: Record new and expire old:
[16:18:00] sjaakz0r: hmm hard to find those IR injectors over here..
[16:18:00] dagfinnr: like that one?
[16:18:00] Beirdo: you are close though
[16:18:00] dagfinnr: does that option only record new ones?
[16:18:00] sphing: ... so close.. i graduate in 4 months
[16:18:00] Beirdo: dagfinnr: no not that one
[16:18:00] sphing: dag.. its there "record new episodes only" i believe is the exact text
[16:20:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[16:20:00] dagfinnr: in check for duplicates thing
[16:21:00] sphing: i love gaim.. i switched from wireless to wired like 10 mins ago... i just got disconnected now
[16:21:00] dagfinnr: looked like that worked, thanks ppl :)
[16:21:00] Beirdo: No problemo :)
[16:22:00] dagfinnr: now its just the ivtvctl color settings left..how to save them to work on every channel, and if i exit / enter livetv
[16:23:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[16:23:00] defaultro: hey guys, i'm in watch tv using adapter0, is it possible to transfer to the other card?
[16:23:00] Beirdo: ???
[16:23:00] Tommck: defaultro – hit "y", I believe
[16:23:00] defaultro: ok
[16:23:00] Beirdo: oooh
[16:23:00] defaultro: tyring
[16:23:00] Beirdo: that's what he was asking
[16:23:00] Tommck: that's the default key, I think
[16:23:00] sphing: defaultro: look at the docs in
[16:23:00] sphing: keys.txt
[16:24:00] ** Tommck wishes someone would make him a sandwich **
[16:25:00] laga: hi Tommck
[16:25:00] Tommck: hey laga
[16:25:00] defaultro: it changed it but have issues tuning to it :)
[16:25:00] laga: Tommck: i've just had three sandwiches. ;)
[16:25:00] ** GreyFoxx wishes he could find a place to download or buy the full version of a song clip he has *sigh* **
[16:25:00] defaultro: 2006-01–19 10:23:50.410 DVB#1 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using PS mode).
[16:25:00] ** sphing slaps Tommck with a trout sandwich **
[16:25:00] Tommck: laga – oink!
[16:25:00] Beirdo: nice. #1052 is a critical (sometimes) defect. and it was put off to 0.20?!
[16:25:00] defaultro: this is my only error, 2006-01–19 10:23:50.413 DVB#1 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[16:26:00] Beirdo: I dunno, I think I'd call previews crashing the backend something I'd want to fix ASAP :)
[16:26:00] sphing: Beirdo: thats a myth ticket?
[16:26:00] Tommck: sphing – did you get permission to borrow Beirdo's trout?
[16:26:00] Beirdo: yeah
[16:26:00] defaultro: i wish someone has written a clean HOWTO for QAM256 configuration with MythTV including mysql tables
[16:26:00] Beirdo: defaultro: go for it :)
[16:26:00] sphing: defaultro I look forward to your patch
[16:26:00] defaultro: I actually don't know where to start :D LOL
[16:26:00] defaultro: one channel that works, I can do the next
[16:27:00] laga: Beirdo: they postponted some good stuff to 0.20. among of these things was a bug that would crash mythtv with a certain german channel, but it's possible they fixed it
[16:27:00] ** Beirdo wonders sometimes **
[16:27:00] Tommck: when's 0.19 coming out?
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: soon
[16:27:00] laga: Tommck: soonish. when-it's-done-ish
[16:27:00] Tommck: is it another it's-not-more-stable-it's-just-a-new-feature-set releases?
[16:28:00] Tommck: or is it a nice stable release?
[16:28:00] Beirdo: still 16 tickets open on 0.19 release. I would assume they will want to fix them or punt them to 0.20 before releasing
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[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: I hear rumours of a code freeze this weekend
[16:28:00] juski: cheeky ****!
[16:28:00] Tommck: cool
[16:28:00] Tommck: me?
[16:28:00] Beirdo: there's a lot of cool new stuff, and SVN is quite stable for me
[16:29:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: Mind a question question, since you helped me last night? :-)
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[16:29:00] Beirdo: you can always try :)
[16:29:00] defaultro: i have issue with 0.18.2, lirc doesn'
[16:29:00] defaultro: native lirc doesn't work
[16:29:00] Tommck: I tried hunting down what was new in it and failed... Is there a nice clean "here's the cool new stuff" list somewhere?
[16:29:00] Tommck: Krazylegz – what's a "question question" ?
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck: Not unless some user has been watching the -commits list and keeping track oni their own
[16:30:00] Tommck: is that a question _about_ a question?
[16:30:00] Krazylegz: Tommck: Ugh, 'quick question'.
[16:30:00] Tommck: ahh :)
[16:31:00] sphing: lol
[16:31:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: Turns out the reason my seektables were messed up was because my recordedmarkup table had crashed. I fixed it with myisamchk. Now, do I need to just do mythcommflag --rebuild, or should I do mythcommflag --all to rebuild seektables and commflag all shows that were recorded but not commflagged in the meantime?
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[16:31:00] Krazylegz: Maybe I should just do mythcommflag --rebuild and then commflag the ones that weren't saved properly.
[16:31:00] Beirdo: probably both
[16:31:00] sphing: Krazylegz: just backup before each step
[16:31:00] Beirdo: yeah, as much as that will suck
[16:32:00] Krazylegz: Okay, thanks guys.
[16:32:00] Beirdo: good luck, dude
[16:32:00] Krazylegz: Looks like it's fine after mythcommflag --rebuild now.
[16:32:00] galorin: yay! modpost has started.. in a few minutes I can see if my nova-t can withstand a suspend
[16:32:00] Led-Hed: Does Xine support reverse? I can jump backward in the stream, but I cant get it to reverse.
[16:32:00] Beirdo: man xine
[16:33:00] Krazylegz: I'll see how just commflagging the new ones goes.
[16:33:00] Beirdo: NEXT
[16:33:00] Beirdo: muhahah
[16:33:00] Tommck: Beirdo – is that like the Manssiere?
[16:33:00] Tommck: or the "Bro" ?
[16:33:00] Beirdo: Tommck: put down the bong :)
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[16:34:00] Tommck: :)
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[16:37:00] Tommck: Beirdo – what are your favorite changes in 0.19?
[16:37:00] Beirdo: jeez, I dunno
[16:37:00] Merlin83b: More goodness :>
[16:37:00] laga: i like mpeg2fix
[16:37:00] Tommck: ok... np. Just figured something might jump out at you :)
[16:37:00] sphing: Beirdo: if I took to meet my mom, how you win her over?
[16:37:00] Beirdo: I can't remember when 0.18.1 came out, I've been running CVS/SVN for a LONG time
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[16:37:00] Merlin83b: I like the fact it works on my Epia and 0.18 didn't :-)
[16:37:00] Merlin83b: .18.1 was like last April or something.
[16:38:00] Tommck: I am running a pre-SVN copy right now
[16:38:00] sphing: Merlin83b: 18.1 works on my epia
[16:38:00] Tommck: ivtv version 0.3.2z :)
[16:38:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: And mine.
[16:38:00] Merlin83b: sphing: FE and BE on one machine with DVB?
[16:38:00] dagfinnr: Merlin83b, on mine too, running it as both backend and frontend
[16:38:00] sphing: ah, its just the fe
[16:38:00] Tommck: and the v4l-based version of the HD 3000 driver
[16:38:00] Merlin83b: dagfinnr: DVB-T?
[16:38:00] dagfinnr: Merlin83b, no pvr150 cable
[16:38:00] Led-Hed: man xine = zip
[16:39:00] Merlin83b: DVB-T on an M10k works for me with SVN (and GreyFoxx's patches) where .18.1 didn't. ymmv.
[16:39:00] dagfinnr: seems like the color settings is beeing reset if i change a channel, or after a while watching the same channel
[16:40:00] Beirdo: 2006-01–18 22:30:00.159 Finished recording The Simpsons: channel 1004
[16:40:00] Beirdo: 2006-01–18 22:30:00.545 Finished recording The Simpsons: channel 1004
[16:40:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: DVBT (nova-T) works fine on my M6000 as both a front and back end.... Even watch recording and record at the same time...
[16:40:00] Beirdo: hmmm, wonder why that was double-logged.
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[16:42:00] Merlin83b: coffee88: And no stuttering or anything?
[16:43:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: Nup. All good. Was stuttering until I changed the record resolution to native from 640x480
[16:44:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: runs at about 20% load watching, 15% just recording.....
[16:44:00] Merlin83b: 720x576 for native PAL I'm on. That stuttered for you?
[16:44:00] juski: coffee88: bet that's using xvmc though ;)
[16:45:00] Led-Hed: ok, read the man page & the Readme for xine. Nothing about reverse. I just want to know if it has this function.
[16:45:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: I'm runnig that now, and it's fine.
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: Led-Hed: Then maybe ask in #xine ?
[16:45:00] juski: no Merlin83b: he changed it TO native ;)
[16:45:00] dagfinnr: any suggestions to my ivtv-ctrl color save problem? please ;)
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[16:45:00] Beirdo: 2006-01–18 22:30:19.368 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(1195
[16:45:00] coffee88: juski: yup. It was a pain in the ass to get working right though!
[16:45:00] Beirdo: oh wow
[16:45:00] Beirdo: )
[16:45:00] Beirdo: I haven't seen THAT for a while
[16:45:00] Merlin83b: Weird. How much RAM, coffee88?
[16:45:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: 640x480 stuttered...
[16:46:00] Merlin83b: Did for me too, but that didn't stop at 520x576.
[16:46:00] Merlin83b: 720, even.
[16:46:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: 256mg
[16:46:00] Merlin83b: Well sod all idea why mine didn't work then :-(
[16:46:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: running a semi-tuned gentoo though.
[16:47:00] Merlin83b: That may have helped. What makes it semi-tuned?
[16:47:00] juski: proc-opts, I bet ;)
[16:47:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:47:00] Merlin83b: My latest build is without that, juski.
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[16:48:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: just trying to tune the kernel as much as poss, and some "use flags" to tune things like xine...,
[16:48:00] Merlin83b: I saw what it does, I think. Changed between -O3 and -Osmall.
[16:48:00] Merlin83b: We want small :-)
[16:48:00] juski: BTW if you have a DVB tuner do NOT mess with the recording profiles
[16:48:00] coffee88: Merlin83b: yup Os
[16:48:00] Merlin83b: coffee88: I wonder if a copy of your kernel would help?
[16:48:00] EricL: If I have something in the ring buffer (like I am watching it right now) and I want to save like 10 minutes of it to watch at a later time, how do I do that?
[16:48:00] Merlin83b: juski: I tried that – made no difference.
[16:48:00] Merlin83b: EricL: RUnning SVN, press R.
[16:49:00] juski: not that you can in SVN anymore ;)
[16:49:00] EricL: Merlin83b: SVN?
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: The recording profiles should have no effect with dvb, since you are just recording the incoming stream. You don't really have any control over the resolution and bitrate
[16:49:00] Merlin83b: You can't, juski?
[16:49:00] coffee88: I can send you one if you like. running Linux version 2.6.13-gentoo-r3
[16:49:00] EricL: Merlin83b: I am just in watching live TV mode.
[16:49:00] Merlin83b: That's what I figured, juski.
[16:49:00] EricL: Merlin83b: I don't know what SVN is.
[16:49:00] Merlin83b: EricL: What version are you running?
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: EricL: In SVN you can hit record and save the entirety of the current show
[16:50:00] Merlin83b: coffee88: I'll be back to you if I get any more trouble with what I have already.
[16:50:00] dagfinnr: whats xv picture controls? what can i do with it?
[16:50:00] coffee88: GreyFoxx: I thought that, but it did seem to help. Shrug.
[16:50:00] Merlin83b: EricL: SVN is the latest development version, as yet unreleased.
[16:50:00] EricL: Merlin83b: .18–1
[16:50:00] Merlin83b: Then I'm afraid you can't save it.
[16:51:00] GreyFoxx: EricL: BUT you could manually go and copy the ringbuffer file and then use a video editor to get those couple minutes if you really want the video
[16:52:00] Beirdo: OMG, that's cool
[16:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:52:00] EricL: GreyFoxx: Is the ringbuffer file a complete working file by default. Meaning it won't come up as an unfinished file if I try to video edit it?
[16:53:00] Beirdo: recording MPEG4 took only 6% of my AMD64 3200+ last night
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: EricL: It's a complete file, but it is a ring buffer, so the data loops inside. You can likely still get what you want out of it
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: if it's still in the buffer of course
[16:54:00] EricL: GreyFoxx: Right, I just lost what I wanted to record when I tried hitting 'R' a minute ago, but I will try it later.
[16:54:00] EricL: GreyFoxx: What's a good video editor for this? Kino?
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: EricL: *Shrug* I don't have any favourites. The few times I've editted a recording I used avidemux, or did it under windows
[16:55:00] EricL: I don't usually edit videos, does anyone have any preferences as far as usability for video editing?
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[16:59:00] NightMonkey: Hi, all. I'm looking to hear of some ivtv version <-> ivtv firmware rev <-> kernel version <-> ivtv card model success stories. I'm still running ivtv 0.2.0-rc3k/pvr_1.18.21.22168_inf.zip/2.6.12-gentoo-r9/PVR-350 model 990. Anyone else?
[16:59:00] Merlin83b: ivtv 0.2? I thought they were up to 4.1 or 5.0 now?
[17:00:00] NightMonkey: Merlin83b: Yep.
[17:00:00] NightMonkey: Merlin83b: 0.2.0 takes a lickin', but keeps on tickin'
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: Then why do you want to hear anything? If it works for you, stick with it!
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: Unless there are new features you want.
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[17:01:00] EricL: NightMonkey: Successfully running kernel 2.6.12/ivtv.4.1/Debian Etch/PVR-250
[17:01:00] NightMonkey: Merlin83b: Because I want to have VBI, not be blocked from bumping the kernel, speedier OSD, etc.
[17:02:00] NightMonkey: EricL: Cool. Thank you. How long have you been running w/ivtv 4.1?
[17:02:00] EricL: NightMonkey: About 2 weeks (that's about the extent of my experience with any linux video anything).
[17:03:00] NightMonkey: EricL: I had trouble upgrading, where I bumped to kernel 2.6.14, and ivtv 4.1, and, while it worked, I experienced some freezes. And I hate freezes. ;)
[17:03:00] NightMonkey: EricL: Perhaps bumping the kernel wasn't the best idea (keep the variables low).
[17:04:00] EricL: NightMonkey: Understandable. I am using a Debian stock kernel 2.6.12-686-smp and it works fine.
[17:04:00] EricL: NightMonkey: IMHO, I would bump the firmware version before bumping the kernel again.
[17:04:00] NightMonkey: EricL: Ah, you didn't mention your firmware rev. Please?
[17:05:00] dagfinnr: iik! the simsons suddenly turned blue! all other colors is right, just the faces are blue..lol
[17:06:00] EricL: NightMonkey: pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip
[17:06:00] NightMonkey: EricL: Noting... thank you again.
[17:06:00] EricL: NightMonkey: No problem.
[17:07:00] EricL: Merlin83b: Any idea on a release time for the next release?
[17:07:00] juski: any idea when people are just gonna accept 0.19 will be out when it's ready?
[17:08:00] EricL: juski: Fair enough. I can do that
[17:08:00] coffee88: Maybe that should be in the channel topic?!
[17:09:00] NightMonkey: Yeah, that should be in the topic – something like "0.19 will be ready when it is ready" instead of the useless "Don't be a dumbass, dammit" and "Engage brain before asking question". :)
[17:10:00] NightMonkey: I mean, when people ask stupid questions, or are already dumbasses, you can't really think that a statement telling them not to be what is in their nature will work, right?
[17:10:00] juski: yeh like anyone reads the topic
[17:11:00] juski: have a script to say "mythtv 0.19 will be released in.. hours".. using a random number
[17:11:00] NightMonkey: Heh
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[17:12:00] EricL: Better yet...have that same script randomly say: Don't be a dumbass.
[17:12:00] coffee88: Could be more fun if it just counted upwards?
[17:12:00] EricL: It'll be much better for laughs.
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[17:36:00] Led-Hed: is there a way to increase the buffer time for LiveTV streams?
[17:41:00] GreyFoxx: Running 0.18.x ?
[17:41:00] Led-Hed: yes
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[17:41:00] Led-Hed: 0.18.1
[17:41:00] GreyFoxx: the size of the ringbuffer is configurable, so you can just increase the max file of the ringbuffer
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: I assume that is what you are referring to
[17:42:00] Led-Hed: I think thats it. I'm getting a bit of jittery Video on Live Streams.
[17:42:00] Led-Hed: recorded shows play fine
[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: Oh, what I'm describing is how large the total buffer is
[17:42:00] Led-Hed: so I assume that increasing the buffer might help
[17:43:00] GreyFoxx: that wouldn't have an effect on any jitter
[17:43:00] Led-Hed: ;(
[17:44:00] Led-Hed: I'm looking for something to increase the (currently 2 sec) buffer that exists when starting a livetv stream
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[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: vi file.cpp
[17:48:00] GreyFoxx: Though I don't see why you would get jitter with livetv only
[17:48:00] Led-Hed: all other playback is fine.
[17:48:00] Led-Hed: DVD. Recorded shows, DVD-Rips
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[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: I can only suggest log some playback with -vall and look for anything weird in there
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: Is your LiveTV buffer stored on a different drive or partition than the regular recordings ?
[17:49:00] Led-Hed: I'll do that.
[17:49:00] Led-Hed: what is file.cpp?
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: I was saying "edit the code"
[17:50:00] travolta-: it was a joke
[17:50:00] Led-Hed: ahh.
[17:50:00] Led-Hed: Ya, I'm far from editing code..
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: Is your LiveTV buffer stored on a different drive or partition than the regular recordings ?
[17:50:00] Led-Hed: no
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: ok
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[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: That's the most obvious difference
[17:51:00] Led-Hed: its a 7 disk RAID5 array, 3Ware
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[17:55:00] Dibblah: Anyone seen anywhere where running a master backend with no capture cards breaks?
[17:55:00] earth-ox: is mythtv easy to install
[17:55:00] earth-ox: ?
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: earth-ox: That would depend on you
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: It's far from a click/auto install
[17:56:00] earth-ox: i don't know linux at all
[17:56:00] Beirdo: yeah, there's no installshield
[17:56:00] Dibblah: If you can follow a step-by-step guide (with lots of steps) then yes, it's easy enough :)
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: Then I would not say it's easy
[17:56:00] earth-ox: so get some to install it?
[17:57:00] earth-ox: someone
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[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: earth-ox: There is a distro out there called Knoppmyth which does automte the install a lot, and for some people it made their install very easy. I've never personally tried it but it might be what you want
[17:58:00] earth-ox: i tried it
[17:58:00] earth-ox: no see my dvb card
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[18:00:00] kormoc: earth-ox, didn't you want to use VDR because of it's dish decoding stuff?
[18:00:00] ** Beirdo slaps kormoc with a trout **
[18:00:00] laga: the technically correct term is 'garden gnome'
[18:01:00] kormoc: oops
[18:01:00] |Pir8|: Beirdo no interest at all?
[18:01:00] kormoc: in any case, I seem to recall he was very dead set against myth last night.
[18:02:00] earth-ox: some say u can use mythtv with dishnet
[18:02:00] Beirdo: |Pir8|: read the FAQ
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: earth-ox: Not standard myth you can't
[18:02:00] |Pir8|: ok letme do that
[18:02:00] Beirdo: you can. You plug in a svideo out of the Dish receiver to an analog capture card
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: Well, yes, that's very true
[18:02:00] earth-ox: no no
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: and use and IR blaster to change channels :)
[18:03:00] Beirdo: you wanna go digital, go use something illegal, and we don't discuss that here
[18:03:00] earth-ox: i mean with a dvb-s card
[18:03:00] kormoc: earth-ox, there is no way to do that with myth
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: but no, myth does not support using a dvb card to grab and decrypt the dishnet signal
[18:03:00] earth-ox: it uses a cam card with it
[18:03:00] Beirdo: it will grab, but not decrypt, so you'd get squat
[18:03:00] kormoc: Beirdo, this is why I asked, didn't want to bother having him go do all this stuff and find it's useless.
[18:04:00] Beirdo: heh.
[18:04:00] ** Beirdo tries to force the lid back onto the can of worms :) **
[18:04:00] kormoc: earth-ox, doesn't matter, your card won't decode dish's stuff, and myth won't eather, so you'll be better off cat /dev/urandom > /dev/video_card
[18:05:00] Beirdo: you might even get a more valid video stream from /dev/urandom :)
[18:05:00] _willcooke_: if you had an infinite number of /dev/udrandom's could you watch Shakespear?
[18:06:00] Beirdo: yup, and it'd even be in modern English!
[18:06:00] kormoc: _willcooke_, you only need one, just infinant time
[18:06:00] _willcooke_: :)
[18:06:00] meushi: and in 1080p
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[18:09:00] meushi: 'quick' question... there's no grabber covering all the channels I get, but I can get them all through 3 sources
[18:09:00] meushi: is it possible to associate 3 sources to 1 input?
[18:10:00] meushi: or would it be better to tv_grab the 3 sources, then tv_split them into one file and mythfilldb from that file?
[18:10:00] Beirdo: the latter, I think
[18:10:00] meushi: yay :)
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[18:20:00] meushi: oh, another one... any elegant solution for shared frequencies?
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[18:28:00] Beirdo: meushi: not that I've heard of
[18:29:00] GreyFoxx: mes: Other than multiple capture cards wioth multiple video sources
[18:31:00] coffee88: Thanks for everyone's help today, and huge thanks to anyone who's involved in producing Mythtv,
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[18:32:00] sHisHa^afk: deutschsprachige anwesend??
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[18:33:00] xnor: Hi all, does anyone know a simple way of moving a installed mythbox to a new bigger harddrive?
[18:33:00] Krazylegz: sHisHa^afk: Laga spricht Deutsch. Ich spreche ein bischen.
[18:34:00] sHisHa^afk: laga da??
[18:34:00] Beirdo: GAH
[18:34:00] Beirdo: #mythtv-de ain't enough fer you Germans? :)
[18:35:00] Beirdo: xnor: if you used LVM, it's dead easy
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[18:38:00] |Pir8|: have some one tried running KnoppMyth on a intel ViiV ?
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[18:43:00] ** juski thought Viiv was still vapourware **
[18:44:00] |Pir8|: i have one here :)
[18:45:00] |Pir8|: but i hate xp..crap
[18:45:00] exstatica: anyone know of a way to update the music library from console
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[19:03:00] xris: exstatica: don't think you can
[19:04:00] xris: would be nice if you could just set a db field and have every frontend do it.
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[19:04:00] Carl_1: Hey all
[19:04:00] Carl_1: Do ATI TV wonder elite cards work?
[19:05:00] xris: Carl_1: what chipset is on the card?
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[19:09:00] Carl_1: theater 550
[19:09:00] Carl_1: I know the other TV -wodners are supported by the bttv series but Im not sure if this one is
[19:10:00] exstatica: i'm gonna write a perl scrip to update the library
[19:11:00] exstatica: i keep getting segmentation fault while tryign to update the library on the frontend
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[19:12:00] exstatica: the point of the whoel thing is to actually write a script to export the mythmusic library to an itunes xml file so i can update my library in one place
[19:14:00] Chutt: could just, you know, help fix the crash.
[19:15:00] exstatica: seems to work just fine on my other frontend
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[19:16:00] exstatica: but it doesn't add bitrate and a few others things to the database
[19:16:00] xris: Carl_1: sorry, no clue... do you have it, or are you still shopping?
[19:17:00] _willcooke_: is joining two avi's simply a case of cat ing them both to a new file?
[19:17:00] kormoc: _willcooke_, sure, if you want it to be a broken file.
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: argh
[19:18:00] Carl_1: xris: shopping
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: I missed a recording:
[19:18:00] kormoc: mplayer will play it, but the length of the video will be off, so seeking will be off, as well as a few other issues here and there
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: reason:
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: Database error was:
[19:18:00] _willcooke_: kormoc, That's not /really/ what I'm after ;)
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: MySQL server has gone away
[19:18:00] xris: Carl_1: pvr-150
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: how can I fix that?
[19:18:00] Arkkis_: it keeps happening to me, and restarting mythbackend helps
[19:18:00] Carl_1: xris: was first though, but ATi TV elite has better picture
[19:19:00] xris: Carl_1: really? I haven't heard of any bttv card having better quality than the pvr-150
[19:19:00] _willcooke_: kormoc, ok, I'll keep searching, cheers!
[19:19:00] kormoc: Carl_1, no it doesn't.
[19:19:00] kormoc: Carl_1, where did you hear that it did?
[19:19:00] Carl_1: A review I read
[19:19:00] kormoc: link?
[19:19:00] Carl_1: It has an onboard comb filter etc.
[19:19:00] Carl_1: Uhh I lost it
[19:19:00] xris: so does the pvr-150
[19:19:00] Carl_1: will get it just a sec
[19:20:00] xris: actually, I think most cards do
[19:20:00] Carl_1: http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review2351.html
[19:20:00] kormoc: yeah, it's standard now
[19:20:00] _willcooke_: Aha! google for join avi, not much luck, but merge avi = much better
[19:20:00] Carl_1: err maybe that wasn't it
[19:21:00] Carl_1: But I have to go back to school
[19:21:00] Carl_1: Cya all
[19:21:00] kormoc: Carl_1, and that review was before the pvr 150 was out I beleive.
[19:21:00] Carl_1: Ahh
[19:21:00] Carl_1: ok
[19:21:00] Carl_1: but yea, school, thanks and cya
[19:21:00] ** kormoc waves **
[19:22:00] xris: kormoc: maybe I should put my old pctv pro into my wife's new windows mce box to see how it compares with myth. heh
[19:22:00] exstatica: _willcooke_: use avimerge
[19:22:00] _willcooke_: Gah!!! I just found it this second! Already installed as part of transcode|!
[19:23:00] _willcooke_: cheers exstatica
[19:23:00] exstatica: use it like avimerge -o output.avi -i infile.avi infile2.avi
[19:23:00] _willcooke_: easy peasy!
[19:23:00] kormoc: xris, would be cool to see, aye
[19:24:00] ** xris wishes someone would tell him how to make ANYTHING encode from a 1080i source into a smaller format. **
[19:25:00] exstatica: that all you need?
[19:25:00] _willcooke_: xris, in real time?
[19:25:00] xris: _willcooke_: no.. just to work at all.
[19:26:00] xris: ffmpeg, transcode and mencoder all produce bad output when resizing/encoding to xvid
[19:26:00] exstatica: really?
[19:26:00] xris: 720p and smaller work fine
[19:27:00] _willcooke_: what happens if you just resize without encoding to mp4?
[19:27:00] xris: and all similarly bad. green/red hue changes scrolling vertically
[19:27:00] xris: haven't tested other exporters... maybe I'll do that tonight.
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[19:29:00] xris: esp. now that I got the ipod exporter working in nuvexport. it's fast.
[19:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: how's that mythtv snapshot working?
[19:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: it might become the ~arch version reallll quick.
[19:31:00] kormoc: Cardoe, so far so good, except for one odd thing
[19:31:00] ** xris chuckles in anticipation of kormoc's story **
[19:31:00] Cardoe: oh god
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[19:31:00] kormoc: Cardoe, my zap2it looks correct, and it's recording the shows correctly, but at 2 am, it recorded the x-files, but put it in the database with the title charmed.
[19:32:00] Cardoe: uh
[19:32:00] ** Cardoe blames xris and is done with it. **
[19:32:00] kormoc: Good Eats became Iron Chef America, Home Movies became Aqua Teen Hungerforce, etc.
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[19:33:00] kormoc: That 70's show stayed correct tho.
[19:33:00] Csigaa: hi
[19:33:00] kormoc: mornin'
[19:34:00] kormoc: Cardoe, so not sure if it's the snapshot, or my inport of oldrecorded, but it's a little screwy.
[19:34:00] Csigaa: I switched from kernel 2.6.10 to 2.6.14.6, and the new BTTV driver (0.9.16) doesnt work very well with my PCTV Pro (bt878/mt2050)...
[19:35:00] Cardoe: kormoc: uh
[19:35:00] Cardoe: kormoc: I need a good snapshot in like the next 2–3 days
[19:35:00] Csigaa: no sound at all, and I cant change channels, the only it shows is the channel I watched before reboot from the old kernel...
[19:36:00] xris: Csigaa: downgrade?
[19:36:00] Csigaa: the old BTTV (0.9.15, the one in the 2.6.10) doesnt compile with the new kernel
[19:37:00] xris: again... downgrade?
[19:37:00] xris: or do you need the new kernel for something specific?
[19:37:00] Csigaa: kernel downgrade? Ive just upgraded :)
[19:37:00] Csigaa: (ca 2 hours ago ...)
[19:37:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I'll try redoing the entire db and not inport the old shows and see if it still does it
[19:37:00] Cardoe: if it isn't broke... don't fix it.
[19:38:00] xris: Csigaa: listen to cardoe.. and he's a hard-core bleeding edge gentoo user. heh
[19:38:00] kormoc: Csigaa, I'm all for upgrading, but with this issue, it's best to report it to the bttv devs and downgrade, cause it will likely be awhile before it gets fixed.
[19:38:00] xris: if the bttv driver is broken in the new kernel, the obvious solution is not to use the new kernel
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[19:39:00] Csigaa: okay
[19:39:00] Cardoe: xris: ask kormoc... I'm the first one to punch someone in the face for upgrading to broken crap.
[19:39:00] kormoc: hehe
[19:39:00] Cardoe: or for cracked out CFLAGS
[19:39:00] Csigaa: I just hoped that there are users that encountered yet with this, and there is a workaround/patch/idonno
[19:39:00] Cardoe: kormoc: how many bug reports did I yell at people about the ivtv 0.4.1 release?
[19:39:00] kormoc: I'll upgrade to broken crap, realize it's broken and downgrade.
[19:39:00] kormoc: Cardoe, quite a ton, ya
[19:40:00] Cardoe: kormoc: same here
[19:40:00] kormoc: Csigaa, yeah, not that any of us know about at least
[19:41:00] xris: Csigaa: I avoid upgrading my mythbox unless I have to. 0.3.2y ivtv driver works perfectly for what I use it for, and I'm not about to touch it on the off chance that it'll break
[19:42:00] kormoc: yup, tis one of the reasons I wanted a dedicated box, so it can sit there, all happy and safe and working while I break my desktop to shreads.
[19:43:00] Csigaa: I see :( then 2.6.10 again, binutils downgrade, etc... It was a while ago when I last upgraded something, now I wont do it again for ages ... :p
[19:44:00] kormoc: binutils downgrade?
[19:44:00] kormoc: why?
[19:44:00] Csigaa: yes, Debian SID, newer binutils, assembly errors in kernel compile
[19:44:00] Csigaa: there is a patch but I was too lazy ;)
[19:44:00] kormoc: Usually binutils is backwards compatable
[19:45:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ooh, tvtv 0.4.2 is working quite nicely
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[19:46:00] Csigaa: is bytesex.org the current official site of BTTV?
[19:46:00] Csigaa: or where can I report it? The main kernel devel site?
[19:47:00] Csigaa: (on bytesex the newest package is 0.9.15 – the good one – dated 2003)
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[19:50:00] Csigaa: some Hungarian user said also that "bt878 doesnt seem to work over 2.6.13" the answer was "probably udev incompatibility", but then turned out that he had used udev since 2.6.9 so it didn't matter...
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[19:50:00] Csigaa: (but that wasnt the official mailing list, just HUP)
[19:52:00] Csigaa: bye, i wont upgrade again :(
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[19:54:00] kormoc: I wonder if he thinks we honestly care or not if he ever upgrades again
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[19:55:00] wswanson: kormoc; I know I don't
[19:55:00] wswanson: ;)
[19:56:00] wswanson: xris is backend log coming back?
[19:56:00] xris: wswanson: huh?
[19:56:00] wswanson: I seem to recall a backend log next to backend status... but its been gone for a while now
[19:58:00] xris: it's there if you have it turned on
[19:58:00] Beirdo: works for me
[19:58:00] wswanson: ah, ok — i wiped my mythweb tree with a fresh update not too long ago — probably used to have it turned on and now don't. makes sense — i'll turn it back on
[19:58:00] xris: mythweb is now smart enough to detect what stuff you have enabled... backend log shows up if you have it turned on in the backend, mythmusic/video/weather only show up if you have them installed somewhere.
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[19:59:00] wswanson: [i reset my backends too — probably around the same time when adding 2 firewire tuners — i must not have turned backend logs back on.... thx
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[20:12:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I know what's up
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[20:12:00] kormoc: Cardoe, snapshot is fine
[20:12:00] kormoc: Cardoe, my clock on the computer is a day off
[20:13:00] sphing: wswanson: hd over firewire?
[20:13:00] ** Cardoe pokes kormoc **
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[20:14:00] ** Beirdo swings a trout at kormoc **
[20:14:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:14:00] Beirdo: you need to use ntpd :)
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[20:19:00] meushi: it would be so nice if the TV channels also used ntpd... no more bits missing from recordings
[20:21:00] juski: it'd be great if they used a 'flag' to signify the start & end of shows.. and ad breaks.. but then the whole reason they brought the broadcast flag in was so you'd have to watch what they want you to watch _when_ they want you to watch it
[20:21:00] juski: you wants shows with no commercials without any bits clipped off? buy the DVD.. that's what they'd say
[20:23:00] poonj: I'm running into a couple of problems.....I've setup an autologin through gdm and I'm trying to autostart a couple of programs, irxevent, irexec, mythbackend, and mythfrontend. For some reason, irxevent doesn't load and mythfrontend takes forever to load
[20:23:00] poonj: I'm trying to startup these programs in gnome under Sessions
[20:24:00] poonj: for some reason, mythbackend doesn't start as a script when I use autologin as well...
[20:24:00] poonj: juski: I'm still stuck
[20:25:00] juski: poonj: what distro are you using?
[20:25:00] poonj: debian
[20:25:00] juski: I'll say this again.. mythbackend needs to run as a service.. which means it should start before anyone even logs in
[20:26:00] poonj: juski: I know..but for some reason..the script that I am using doesn't start it up..
[20:26:00] poonj: I'll look into it
[20:28:00] _willcooke_: poonj, are you auto-loging in as mythtv user (assuming you're using the binary myth)
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[20:30:00] wswanson: sphing, on the phone, but yes, HD and non-HD digital
[20:30:00] juski: heheh.. just looked at cropping my theme to the 'safe action area'... there's NO way I'm doing that in my lifetime.. if peeps want the GUI to fit they can use the GUI size options
[20:30:00] meushi: juski: agreed on the flag... that would be sooo nice
[20:31:00] _willcooke_: Hmm. I need mythvideo to understand the concept of a series so I can have just one entry for, say, CSI NY, and then drill in to that to see an episode. Yes, I could use list view, but it's not the same. I'll go and find my C++ for Dummies book....
[20:33:00] poonj: _willcooke_, yeah I am...but I'm using a compiled version of myth
[20:36:00] juski: time for a question for everybody... if your mythfrontend screens don't fit on the screen, what do you do? I'd resize it in the appearance menu – I'm asking what _you_ would do ;)
[20:37:00] ** _willcooke_ would moan about it to Juski but never bother to change anything **
[20:37:00] _willcooke_: juski, you mean where something is just out of sight, or where text doesnt fix in to a box
[20:38:00] juski: I mean where you can't see stuff cos it goes off the screen edges
[20:38:00] _willcooke_: stuff being menus?
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: juski: That's exactly what I would do
[20:38:00] juski: stuff being the GUI.. menus, programme info, etc
[20:39:00] _willcooke_: yeah, I'd make the gui settings slightly smaller until it fits
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: Some people turndown overscan, I just use Myth's gui size controls
[20:39:00] juski: I'm looking for a consensus here ;)
[20:39:00] juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/overscan.png
[20:39:00] _willcooke_: change the gui settings
[20:40:00] juski: red lines are the 'safe action area'.. where _nothing_ is allowed outside of if it's meant to be seen on TVs
[20:41:00] meushi: juski: it can't fit anyways... XBox 1.4 Pal, with unsupported nv chipset :( but I'd resize it in appearance menu
[20:41:00] juski: green box is the 'title safe area' where anything intended to be read by the viewer should be
[20:41:00] juski: we have a consensus then... :)
[20:43:00] juski: and it was the answer I wanted (less work)
[20:43:00] meushi: hehe
[20:43:00] kormoc: Beirdo, normally I do, just this is a new install and I havn't gotten around to it yet
[20:43:00] _willcooke_: do we get a prize then juski?
[20:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:43:00] juski: yeh.. free downloads of my theme
[20:44:00] Beirdo: I don't install any crap before ntpd, personally, but I'm anal that way
[20:44:00] juski: btw _willcooke_ I'll be toning down the 'scanlines' in the watermarks, next release
[20:44:00] _willcooke_: juski, cool! I'll give the non-widescreen version a go then!
[20:44:00] juski: (if not doing away with them altogether)
[20:45:00] juski: sourcing some new photos to use as watermarks.. might take a while to get permission though
[20:46:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah.. it was a case of, I wanted myth now
[20:46:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:46:00] Beirdo: I can understand that
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[20:46:00] juski: I wonder how many pre-built myth boxes have been sold, and what kind of issues the tech support peeps get
[20:47:00] _willcooke_: I would guess if they are sold as a unit, then there won't be lots of updates, so if they work when they leave the shop, they should carry on working. I would think most questions are "how do i...." rather than "I've broken it...."
[20:48:00] juski: that's a good point actually.. wonder what kind of documentation they ship with
[20:48:00] Beirdo: I'd never buy one
[20:49:00] _willcooke_: I bet you could make some cash selling training
[20:49:00] juski: god no.. don't start that
[20:50:00] _willcooke_: :)
[20:50:00] juski: had a bit of a discussion with my other half about this.. "so what do you get out of doing all this then... and that lugradio thing.. who gets the cash?"
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[20:50:00] _willcooke_: power to the people
[20:50:00] juski: "what cash?" I said ... "what?!?!?!"
[20:51:00] _willcooke_: :)
[20:51:00] _willcooke_: jono uses all the money to buy beard products
[20:51:00] juski: heheh
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[20:52:00] _willcooke_: oh, he's up your way at the mlug
[20:52:00] Beirdo: I wouldn't want to get paid to train
[20:52:00] Beirdo: that would make me a teacher
[20:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:52:00] _willcooke_: :)
[20:52:00] Beirdo: and I doubt any of ya wanna pay my rates
[20:52:00] ** _willcooke_ charges 1 meat pie an hour **
[20:53:00] juski: agreed.. and I'd feel guilty about making chumps part with their money... but NO amount of cash would help you deal with the numpties
[20:53:00] Beirdo: precisely, juski
[20:54:00] juski: well.. got to scoot soon to watch some live tv (!)... myth's 3 tuners are working overtime tonight.. need... more... tuners....
[20:54:00] _willcooke_: whats on?
[20:54:00] juski: bbc1 – that hotel effort
[20:54:00] juski: itv – partick stewart in the new drama thing
[20:55:00] juski: c5 – House
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[20:55:00] juski: Disc channel – mythbusters
[20:55:00] meushi: grr, can't wait for my dvb-s cards to get there now
[20:55:00] _willcooke_: :) – I'm watching mythbusters at the moment!
[20:55:00] dagfinnr: in the channel table, how is the usage of the different color settings? why so high values? 30 000 something
[20:56:00] juski: recorded one yesterday during the day & it had a guy doing signs plastered all over it.. I thought they had subtitles now
[20:56:00] _willcooke_: I wonder if signing is better than subs?
[20:57:00] juski: probably is, but they had the chance to make the signing a seperate stream (just like channel logos)
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: I find if I'm watching a foreign language film I spend more time reading the subs that watching the action
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: that would be goo
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: d
[20:58:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[20:58:00] juski: how big are 40x40 GIFs? easy put them in the data stream
[20:58:00] Beirdo: depends on the kinda "action" I guess, _willcooke_
[20:58:00] _willcooke_: very true
[20:58:00] juski: as for the signing.. subtitles are already video streams aren't they?
[20:59:00] juski: anyhoo.. it's time.. bbl
[20:59:00] _willcooke_: laters
[20:59:00] Beirdo: I'd make the 40x40 GIF of ..|._
[20:59:00] Beirdo: and leave it on the screen for the whole show
[21:00:00] dagfinnr: lol
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[21:04:00] dagfinnr: but how do you guys edit the color settings for livetv?
[21:05:00] dagfinnr: i use ivtvctl, but it doesent save the setting,resets after a while, and if i change channel :/
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[21:10:00] DarkBeer_: anyone using mythburn?-oct2005?
[21:13:00] leonardo_gavilan: i want to capture tv signal from a bttv supported card with ffmpeg (Hauppauge WinTV Go, bt878 chip)
[21:13:00] leonardo_gavilan: but with no results
[21:13:00] leonardo_gavilan: any idea?
[21:14:00] leonardo_gavilan: my O.S. = Fedora Core 4
[21:17:00] leonardo_gavilan: please...i need help
[21:17:00] Beirdo: this isn't a ffmpeg support channel.
[21:18:00] leonardo_gavilan: yes, i know, but ffmpeg it's a part of mythv suite...
[21:18:00] leonardo_gavilan: so i think that anybody can help's me
[21:18:00] Beirdo: what seems to be the problem?
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[21:20:00] leonardo_gavilan: really i don't know..i'm a little lost....but, when i try to capture tv with "ffmpeg test.mpg", ffmpeg send's me the next message: "could not find video grab device"...
[21:20:00] leonardo_gavilan: instead...xawtv or tvtime, works fine!
[21:21:00] Beirdo: no clue
[21:21:00] Beirdo: as I said, this isn't an ffmpeg support channel
[21:22:00] Beirdo: nobody here is likely to have a clue how to capture with ffmpeg directly, we use mythtv
[21:22:00] Beirdo: if it were the card not capturing at all, we might be able to help some. But if xawtv and tvtime are working, your problem is with ffmpeg itself
[21:23:00] Beirdo: someone in #ffmpeg may be able to help if they are in
[21:23:00] leonardo_gavilan: something like ffmpeg don't support video4linux2 API?
[21:23:00] Beirdo: dunno if it does or not
[21:23:00] Beirdo: never looked
[21:23:00] leonardo_gavilan: :(, ok thank's too
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[21:24:00] Beirdo: good luck
[21:25:00] leonardo_gavilan: thanks
[21:27:00] kormoc: leonardo_gavilan, mplayer/mencode supports v4l
[21:27:00] kormoc: leonardo_gavilan, you could say, have mencode pull raw data to stdout and pipe it into ffmpeg perhaps?
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[21:28:00] SlicerDicer: hey everybody I got a pretty serious problem
[21:28:00] SlicerDicer: I need to stop myth from transcoding a video
[21:28:00] SlicerDicer: its running right now and I need to stop it before it destroys my video
[21:28:00] leonardo_gavilan: yes, thank's i know it, but i need to use ffmpeg with ffserver for streaming project
[21:28:00] laga: SlicerDicer: killall mythtranscode a few times?
[21:28:00] SlicerDicer: laga: did not work
[21:28:00] laga: SlicerDicer: keep in mind that it will restart the job two times or so.
[21:29:00] SlicerDicer: laga: ahh it errored :)
[21:29:00] SlicerDicer: good stuff thanks
[21:29:00] laga: SlicerDicer: :)
[21:29:00] laga: not the clean way, but hey – it was quick :)
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[21:29:00] SlicerDicer-: what do you mean clean?
[21:29:00] laga: as opposed to 'quick & dirty'
[21:29:00] SlicerDicer-: what do I need to do to make it "clean"
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[21:31:00] laga: SlicerDicer-: you can stop transcoding if you go the recording in the "watch recordings" screen and hit 'i' there.
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[21:32:00] psofa: anyone around using vlc?
[21:33:00] laga: no, this is the ffmpeg channel
[21:33:00] psofa: :D
[21:33:00] psofa: ffs
[21:33:00] laga: ;)
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[21:33:00] Beirdo: xris: nuvexport ticket #84 is nuts
[21:33:00] psofa: btw whens the new myth expected?
[21:33:00] xris: psofa: few weeks
[21:33:00] laga: psofa: soon.
[21:33:00] psofa: :)
[21:34:00] Beirdo: the guy complains of a potential bug, then adds a feature request on the end
[21:34:00] Beirdo: or rather, a feature demand
[21:34:00] xris: yeah
[21:34:00] xris: which is a DUMB request
[21:34:00] xris: file was created now, not back then
[21:34:00] Beirdo: I felt like bitching him out
[21:34:00] Beirdo: but didn't want to bother
[21:35:00] amy-21: wow that was very nice of you Beirdo!
[21:35:00] amy-21: :)
[21:35:00] psofa: vlc is my last hope in media playing
[21:36:00] psofa: after that im installing windoze :(
[21:36:00] psofa: nothing fully works
[21:37:00] xris: psofa: huh?
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[21:37:00] psofa: everything is full of little annoying bugs which wont be noticed by a regular desktop user but are pretty irritating for htpc use
[21:38:00] xris: "everything"?
[21:38:00] psofa: im talking about mplayer/xine
[21:38:00] psofa: :)
[21:38:00] Beirdo: psofa: you bothered to report any of these bugs?
[21:38:00] psofa: Beirdo, ive seen some of these reported
[21:38:00] psofa: but in the end noone bothered to fix them
[21:39:00] psofa: for example some anwers would be:
[21:39:00] Beirdo: I'm sure they look forward to your patches
[21:39:00] psofa: just rip the subtitles convert them to blabla and they will play fine
[21:39:00] psofa: id look forward to write patches if i was experienced
[21:40:00] Beirdo: ahh :)
[21:40:00] psofa: the only thing im able to do is little hacks
[21:40:00] psofa: which im pretty sure wont be accepted :)
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[21:41:00] xris: Beirdo: there, ticket fixed.
[21:42:00] Beirdo: hehe :)
[21:42:00] Beirdo: nice
[21:42:00] xris: man, now that I have the ipod exporter working, I almost wish my ipod could play video
[21:43:00] psofa: and btw why dont people write decent docs? why do i have to browse the source for .h files
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[21:43:00] xris: psofa: do you code?
[21:43:00] psofa: i suppose they are just bored
[21:43:00] psofa: :D
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[21:44:00] psofa: xris, ok ok i dont code, dont go on
[21:44:00] xris: documentation is boring to write, and very difficult to do properly.
[21:44:00] xris: and it's hard enough to get coders to document their code, let alone the final product
[21:45:00] xris: that's why non-OSS documentation is written by technical writers... programmers just won't do it.
[21:47:00] Beirdo: I think psofa just volunteered
[21:47:00] Beirdo: and would you rather have the person fixing code or writing crappy docs?
[21:48:00] xris: hey, I'
[21:48:00] xris: I'm finally documenting mythweb's code... that's a big step
[21:48:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:48:00] Beirdo: yeah, it's a PITA
[21:48:00] xris: and I think a lot of the core of mythtv is now doxygen-friendly.
[21:49:00] xris: Beirdo: yes. that's why I make my minions do it at work. heh
[21:49:00] Beirdo: the MUD code I an rewriting is getting doxygenated too
[21:49:00] Beirdo: as much for my benefit as anyone else's
[21:49:00] ** xris wants his new dual core box to show up... **
[21:49:00] laga: there are lots of places where the official mythth docs could use some enhancements as well, i really should get my lazy ass up and get some work done ;)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:49:00] xris: laga: I'm hoping the wiki will get used for that.. make things easier to keep updated
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[21:50:00] ** Beirdo hands laga ein bier **
[21:50:00] xris: nur EIN bier?
[21:50:00] SqWaw: Can i have some IVTV help please ?
[21:50:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/37477
[21:50:00] laga: xris: yep. but it might be hard to get wiki content into the official docs. licensing issues and stuff.
[21:50:00] Beirdo: hey, he can have another once he's done chugging this one
[21:50:00] laga: xris: beirdo knows that i usually keep a case or so in the freezer. ;)
[21:51:00] SqWaw: "ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?" Where's the hotplug firmware directory?
[21:51:00] xris: laga: I'm hoping that the wiki will become the official docs.
[21:51:00] xris: but maybe Chutt has other plans.
[21:52:00] laga: xris: well, that would take a long time – and there will be license schlamassels as well :)
[21:52:00] laga: if you'd want to incoporate the official docs into the wiki.
[21:52:00] xris: how is that? the person typing in the wiki info will know that it's a wiki
[21:53:00] laga: there would have to be stable revisions as well.. i kind of like the idea of having official docs and additional information in the wiki.
[21:53:00] SqWaw: no one....?
[21:53:00] laga: xris: well, wiki content is under some creative commons licence. the mythtv docs are licensed under the GPL
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[21:53:00] laga: and i actually have no clue how the GPL applies to documentation. ;)
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[21:54:00] xris: ahh
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[21:54:00] xris: depends on who owns the rights to the documentation, then
[21:54:00] laga: xris: everybody who has contributed.
[21:54:00] laga: even me, but i'm not sure if my name showed up
[21:54:00] xris: SqWaw: mine is in /lib/modules
[21:54:00] xris: dunno if that'll help you, though
[21:55:00] xris: laga: depends on whether or not submissions are given over to the maintainer or maintain the copyright of the contributor
[21:55:00] SqWaw: xris okay and its just plopped right in there?
[21:56:00] laga: xris: and actually..we're currently in the progress of translating the mythtv docs into german. it's way harder to translate a whole wiki.
[21:56:00] SqWaw: v4l-cx2341x-BLAH.fw
[21:56:00] laga: xris: isn't that covered by the GPL as well?
[21:56:00] xris: SqWaw: I used an rpm, but seemingly, yes
[21:56:00] SqWaw: okay
[21:56:00] xris: laga: yes
[21:56:00] xris: laga: right.. but the copyright owner can change the license at any point.
[21:57:00] laga: xris: he would have to ask every contributor.
[21:57:00] xris: for instance, I relicensed the javascript in mythweb under the LGPL because it's my code.
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[21:57:00] xris: laga: no, not if the contributors gave up their copyright when they submitted the changes.
[21:57:00] laga: yes, it is your code.
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[21:57:00] laga: xris: i don't think any of the contributors did that and i haven't found a reference to that.
[21:58:00] xris: it's a legal conundrum, though... were you informed when you made submissions that you'd retain your rights? or would the project have to explicitly state that you'd be turning your rights over to them?
[21:58:00] laga: good questions.
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[21:58:00] xris: this is a problem with trac right now.. they relicensed from GPL to BSD. technically, I don't think they can do it.
[21:59:00] xris: I got permission from people when I relicensed the javascript to LGPL
[21:59:00] laga: licences give me a headache.
[21:59:00] laga: yes, asking contributors for their permission would be the best way. even if it's not necessary, it's nice.
[22:00:00] xris: yes
[22:00:00] xris: in my case it was easy, since it was only 1 or 2 people for the javascript stuff
[22:01:00] laga: i have the german wiki licensed under the GFDL. wiki.mythtv.org uses a different licence...now i'd have to find out if i am allowed to put derivate works (read: translations) into wiki.mythtv.org and vice-versa.
[22:01:00] laga: and i can't ask all contributors since many people were not logged in when editing. i'd have to rewrite this stuff
[22:02:00] xris: yeah
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[22:03:00] laga: to summarize: it sucks ;).
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[22:03:00] xris: yes
[22:05:00] kormoc: I wish wiki could do wiki.mythtv.org/language/install and show the install docs in the specd language trnasparently
[22:05:00] kormoc: of course, it would rock if it auto translated it correctly on the fly too...
[22:05:00] ** kormoc dreams of things never to be... **
[22:05:00] laga: in case you've been wondering why people complain on the lists that they can't unsubscribe..i have been waiting for the arrival of the confirmation email for like one hour now
[22:06:00] laga: it worked for -dev, though, where i could remember my password. looks like mailman doesn't feel like giving me a new pass, or it's lost somewhere in my inbox
[22:06:00] laga: kormoc: auto-translating works...but not correctly :)
[22:06:00] meushi: wow, 3MB xmltv import... and that's just for the cable...
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[22:13:00] timolol: hello. is sby interested in mythstream, because i have exchanged some mails with the main programmer about listing the shoutcast streaming station list. if sby want's to program a parser, we have a begin of protocol analysis.
[22:16:00] dagfinnr: how can i get ivtvctl to save the color settings? it just resets if i change channel or afer a while watching the same channel
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[22:19:00] dagfinnr: sorry if im annoying you ppl
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[22:24:00] dagfinnr: where can i find mythburn ?
[22:25:00] Beirdo: CanadaBoy: don't forget to vote for some slimeball in a few days :)
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[22:25:00] Beirdo: google, maybe?
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[22:26:00] dagfinnr: has anyone tried mythburn?
[22:27:00] juski: dagfinnr: wouldn't you just put the colour setting into each channel's settings in the channel table? i.e. using mythtv-setup or some SQL jiggery ;)
[22:28:00] ** juski adds yet another show to record every Thursday & hopes there are no conflicts **
[22:28:00] dagfinnr: juski, yeah, but i dunno what is the max and min values for those values, they seem to be weird values? very high ones..
[22:29:00] dagfinnr: like 32768
[22:29:00] juski: so erm.. experiment
[22:30:00] juski: though I can understand if you're scared of breaking something ;)
[22:31:00] dagfinnr: im getting tired of experimenting :P someone should write a documentation for it, but i understand that noone wants to, must be boring.. ;)
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[22:32:00] juski: I'm tired of working on a theme that I'll never even use, but I keep sticking at it
[22:32:00] dagfinnr: hehe
[22:32:00] dagfinnr: have you tried mythburn juski?
[22:33:00] juski: nope.. not burnt a DVD for my own use since 2004
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[22:33:00] juski: might need to soon if I don't find time to put 300GB disks in my backend
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[22:37:00] dagfinnr: time, or money?
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[22:37:00] Beirdo: bah, 300G drives aren't much
[22:37:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:37:00] dagfinnr: it takes like 3 minutes to take it in
[22:37:00] Beirdo: it would take me about an hour to install a new drive
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[22:38:00] Beirdo: I'd have to reroute power, etc, then re-tie-wrap everything
[22:38:00] Skenvoy: I have a question about exporting video from .nuv files, specifically using mythtv with DVB support
[22:38:00] Skenvoy: DVB is basically MPEG-2, so how can I export the raw video whilst retaining mpeg-2 format and NOT re-encoding it
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[22:41:00] dagfinnr: how dows the finetune field work?
[22:42:00] laga: Skenvoy: man cp
[22:42:00] Skenvoy: ha ha
[22:42:00] laga: Skenvoy: and take a look at mythlink.sh or mythlink.pl
[22:42:00] laga: Skenvoy: or nuvexport with the export option
[22:42:00] Skenvoy: k
[22:42:00] laga: or the dump option? dunno
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[22:43:00] dagfinnr: laga; have you tried mythburn?
[22:44:00] Skenvoy: it would help if my pvr was actually functioning....
[22:44:00] Skenvoy: i.e. able to boot...
[22:44:00] laga: dagfinnr: nope
[22:45:00] juski: Skenvoy: you need to remux DVB recordings... DVB streams have lots of error correction in them which can make them difficult for 'standard' players to deal with. Remuxing is pretty quick, easy & usually painless
[22:45:00] Skenvoy: aha, so mythtv dumps the whole lot?
[22:46:00] Skenvoy: wait, the FEC and reed-solomon is carried out by the demodulator chip
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[22:47:00] juski: okay then... try something about packets in the MPEG TS stream not being in sequence... you certainly can't just take a DVB file & author it onto a DVD
[22:47:00] Skenvoy: i have loads of tools on windows that can convert a dvb mpeg file to a DVD-compliant bunch of VOBs in about 20 minutes
[22:47:00] Skenvoy: main limitation: IO speed of drives
[22:47:00] juski: Skenvoy: 20 mins is a long time
[22:47:00] Skenvoy: think 2 hour movie :P
[22:47:00] juski: projectX takes about a couple of mins to do an hour
[22:48:00] Skenvoy: yep, but then i cut the ads, convert to VOB
[22:48:00] juski: ah
[22:48:00] Skenvoy: anyway – can i feed the .nuvs into my well-sorted windows routine
[22:49:00] Skenvoy: e.g. my PVR records stuff to $massive_fileserver, I do editing on XP
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[22:51:00] dagfinnr: is there a way to change to a 24-hour clock?
[22:52:00] Skenvoy: it's in the general setup menu somewhere
[22:52:00] Skenvoy: mythsetup (?)
[22:52:00] juski: try in Appearance
[22:52:00] juski: in mythfrontend
[22:52:00] juski: no sorry.. General.. in mythfrontend
[22:54:00] dagfinnr: juski, sure its in general?
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[22:55:00] dagfinnr: it was in apperance ;)
[22:55:00] juski: I was right the first time
[22:55:00] juski: damn noobs, making me 2nd guess myself
[22:55:00] juski: :-P
[22:55:00] dagfinnr: lol
[22:55:00] Beirdo: any way to change to a metric clock?
[22:56:00] juski: analogue clock?
[22:56:00] Beirdo: there should be 100 minutes per hour, and 100 seconds per minute
[22:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[22:56:00] juski: actually an analogue clock in the OSD would be spiffy
[22:56:00] juski: and on the menus
[22:57:00] dagfinnr: hm
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[22:58:00] lawnchair: "* MythWeb, which allows you to control your MythTV system using a web browser. " – it really doesnt , i wanna be able to change music and video tracks from a browser — possible?
[22:59:00] juski: er.. why?
[22:59:00] lawnchair: well i odnt have a remote
[22:59:00] lawnchair: but i have a laptop and im on my couch
[22:59:00] dagfinnr: if i want to remove the phone plugin, how do i do this?
[22:59:00] lawnchair: and it beats getting up to use the keyboard
[22:59:00] juski: lol
[23:00:00] Dibblah: Easiest way is to fake the keypresses into lirc.
[23:00:00] lawnchair: ahh, not a bad idea
[23:00:00] Dibblah: I'm sure there was a recipe somewhere.
[23:00:00] lawnchair: nice one
[23:00:00] Dibblah: Or x11vnc...
[23:00:00] juski: lirc, being socket-able
[23:00:00] lawnchair: ill look into lirc
[23:01:00] lawnchair: thats a great solution, thanks guys
[23:01:00] juski: or if you bother to read the devs list....
[23:01:00] juski: I'll say no more than that
[23:01:00] lawnchair: okay
[23:01:00] Dibblah: It's not commited yet ;)
[23:01:00] lawnchair: heh
[23:01:00] meushi: good night
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[23:01:00] Dibblah: And I don't remember it having that functionality.
[23:02:00] juski: you'd still need to write a program to send the commands though
[23:02:00] Dibblah: Assuming you're meaning the remote control socket stuff that was 'rewarded'...
[23:02:00] ** lawnchair nods **
[23:02:00] juski: there's a PDA app for the very job somewhere
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[23:09:00] dagfinnr: if i want to remove the phone plugin, how do i do this?
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[23:11:00] dagfinnr: if i remove the MythPhone dir from .mythtv it just re-generates when i restart my frontend ..weird..
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[23:26:00] dagfinnr: juski, you got your tempsensor working on m10k?
[23:26:00] juski: dagfinnr: already built into minimyth.. I just point a web browser at its IP address & see all
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[23:38:00] juski: right you overscan lovers.. program guides, watch & delete recordings now have 5% borders
[23:39:00] dagfinnr: juski, ah
[23:39:00] dagfinnr: but i run fedora :/
[23:39:00] juski: got lmsensors, and support for lmsensors in your kernel?
[23:40:00] juski: I think that's all you need
[23:40:00] juski: probably some other config to do.. google for lmsensors ;)
[23:41:00] dagfinnr: how can i check if i got it in my kernel? ;)
[23:43:00] juski: google for lmsensors and fc4 or whatever
[23:43:00] juski: there'll be a setup guide
[23:44:00] dagfinnr: ;)
[23:44:00] juski: afaik fc kernels have pretty much everything lumped in – they have to be so generic
[23:47:00] dagfinnr: yep
[23:47:00] dagfinnr: you use module vt1211 for your sensors?
[23:47:00] juski: dunno
[23:48:00] dagfinnr: k
[23:48:00] dagfinnr: do you have it in your modprobe.conf file?
[23:49:00] juski: erm... I just so happen to have the deconstructed image of minimyth handy.. I'll have a looksy
[23:50:00] dagfinnr: ;)
[23:50:00] juski: vt1211 or vt8231
[23:51:00] juski: can't tell which it is
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