| Wednesday, January 18th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | Cardoe: | so like 2.6.15.1 or 2.6.15.2 won't compile with ivtv 0.4.2 |
| [00:00:00] | Cardoe: | basically he applied my PPC patch |
| [00:00:00] | fryfrog: | xris: well, i should qualify that. first, 2.6.14 wasn't working at all for me with air2pc. also, its possible comcast changed some stuff *or* myth did |
| [00:00:00] | Cardoe: | but not my patches to fix his includes. |
| [00:00:00] | fryfrog: | doh :) |
| [00:00:00] | fryfrog: | epatch time? :) |
| [00:00:00] | fryfrog: | also, fyi lirc + bttv + ivtv suck |
| [00:01:00] | fryfrog: | you need bttv module to get all the ivtv required modules |
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| [00:01:00] | fryfrog: | and lirc is a bunch of bitches and *force* loading of bttv module if its detected |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | fryfrog: ahh |
| [00:01:00] | fryfrog: | which i find super-ghey |
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| [00:01:00] | xris: | yeah, no problems for me other than bad reception on one channel and NO reception (stupid airport in the way) on another. |
| [00:01:00] | kormoc: | if ivtv ever gets accepted into the vanilla kernel branch, it won't need bttv anymore |
| [00:02:00] | fryfrog: | xris: ah, then it was probably comcast or myth |
| [00:02:00] | fryfrog: | kormoc: if the dang kernel just had the option of getting the "extra" modules w/o bttv, it'd be fine |
| [00:02:00] | fryfrog: | and from reading, it *seemed* like that is what ivtv was working tward, no? (kernel inclusion i mean) |
| [00:02:00] | kormoc: | fryfrog, just rm /lib/modules/kernel-version/blah/bttv.ko |
| [00:03:00] | kormoc: | ivtv has been working towards that for a long time |
| [00:03:00] | fryfrog: | kormoc: ha, thats a good idea! |
| [00:03:00] | john34: | fryfrog were do i post my dmesy info |
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| [00:03:00] | fryfrog: | is there also like a reverse modprobe? |
| [00:03:00] | kormoc: | john34, http://pastebin.ca/, from the topic |
| [00:03:00] | kormoc: | fryfrog, rmmod? |
| [00:03:00] | awilkins: | fryfrog: rmmod |
| [00:03:00] | fryfrog: | so you could do "reverse_modprobe bttv" and have it remove all its modules? |
| [00:03:00] | fryfrog: | haha, almost eh? :) |
| [00:04:00] | kormoc: | no, you'll have to remove the unneeded ones yourself |
| [00:04:00] | fryfrog: | thats the conclusion i'd come to :/ |
| [00:04:00] | awilkins: | Can anyone tell me about WMA support in mythmusic? |
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| [00:09:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/510760 |
| [00:09:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: http://pastebin.com/510760 |
| [00:09:00] | Cardoe: | tasty |
| [00:11:00] | john34: | fryfrog can you please look at http://pastebin.ca/37138 |
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| [00:15:00] | fryfrog: | what is that against cardoe? |
| [00:16:00] | john34: | im going to just reinstall every thing thanx though fryfrog |
| [00:16:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: kernel |
| [00:16:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: the problem exists on amd64 & ppc |
| [00:16:00] | fryfrog: | which kernel version? |
| [00:16:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: basically the header is only present on i386 |
| [00:16:00] | Cardoe: | 2.6.15 |
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| [00:17:00] | fryfrog: | i compiled in 2.6.15-r1 on amd64 and x86 though? |
| [00:17:00] | fryfrog: | (not ppc) |
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| [00:20:00] | wswanson: | xris are you around? |
| [00:21:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: do you have a amd64 handy? |
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| [00:36:00] | nick3_: | Has anyone had a problem where "Enter" doesn't work on some buttons (for instance when you try to quit Mythfrontend and it asks if you are sure?) |
| [00:38:00] | wswanson: | nick3_ do you just get a black screen? or enter isn't accepted at all? |
| [00:39:00] | wswanson: | nick3_ I have experienced exit does not terminate the frontend and instead the screen goes black — but I have not experienced "enter" not being honored |
| [00:39:00] | nick3_: | Enter isn't accepted at all |
| [00:39:00] | nick3_: | I can hilite the button and click with the mouse |
| [00:39:00] | nick3_: | But Enter when the button is selected doesn't do anything |
| [00:40:00] | nick3_: | Also happens with the "Next/Finish" buttons on the setup screens |
| [00:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | does SHIFT-ENTER work ? |
| [00:40:00] | nick3_: | hmm |
| [00:40:00] | nick3_: | yes |
| [00:40:00] | Beirdo: | need... rum... |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like an old Fedora specific QT but. Something to do with some fedora patches they applied to QT |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/but/bug |
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| [00:47:00] | xris: | wswanson: what's up? |
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| [00:59:00] | jonK: | rum?!?! |
| [01:00:00] | kormoc: | O RLY? |
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| [01:10:00] | bronco1: | harro |
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| [01:25:00] | ** xris has good rum ** | |
| [01:25:00] | xris: | best in the world, even |
| [01:25:00] | Krazylegz: | Which? |
| [01:26:00] | xris: | black seal |
| [01:26:00] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, it is indeed one of the best rums out there, by far |
| [01:26:00] | xris: | has the award to prove it's the best |
| [01:27:00] | xris: | assuming that you like your rum tasty |
| [01:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. |
| [01:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Hard to come by, isn't it? |
| [01:28:00] | rjune: | so how long do they have to brew the seals? |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: not around here |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | rjune: wax seal |
| [01:28:00] | rjune: | that's what they want you to think |
| [01:29:00] | xris: | heh |
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| [01:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Gosling Black Seal Bermudian Rum: $13.99. That one? |
| [01:29:00] | xris: | yup |
| [01:29:00] | xris: | that's damn cheapo |
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| [01:29:00] | xris: | you must have a low liquor tax in PA |
| [01:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh, didn't know that was the one you guys liked. Didn't sell a whole lot of there when I worked at the store. |
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| [01:30:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Depends on the product. Some things are cheaper here, some things are cheaper in MD/DE/NY. |
| [01:30:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: that's because it looks cheap... non-fancy bottle, no añejo label, etc. |
| [01:30:00] | xris: | that bottle is $19 here |
| [01:30:00] | Krazylegz: | To the best of my knowledge, there is no "liquor tax." |
| [01:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Ouch. |
| [01:30:00] | Krazylegz: | That's a fifth (750ml). |
| [01:31:00] | xris: | http://liq.wa.gov/releases/pr051223.htm |
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| [01:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, since PA owns all of the liquor stores, ALL of the profit goes to the state treasury. ;-) |
| [01:32:00] | xris: | same here |
| [01:32:00] | xris: | I don't mind paying the taxes, though. goes to good things. |
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| [01:37:00] | Krazylegz: | To each his own. |
| [01:40:00] | Kelerion: | xris: your pretty good with mysql I presume.. mind if I pick your brain about something completly un-myth related? |
| [01:41:00] | FunkyELF: | anyone know the priority of nuvexport? Will it make mythbackend crap out if it's recording something? |
| [01:45:00] | Kelerion: | FunkyELF: nuvexport has a "nice=X" option |
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| [01:47:00] | FunkyELF: | Kelerion, and what is the lowest priority I can set? |
| [01:47:00] | FunkyELF: | is 0 low priority or is 20 low priority? |
| [01:49:00] | Kelerion: | I presume it just runs the "nice" command with a level.. so it's the same as the nice in most distro's |
| [01:50:00] | FunkyELF: | so.....is 0 low priority or is 20 low priority in most distro's? |
| [01:50:00] | Kelerion: | from "nice" manpage: Range |
| [01:50:00] | Kelerion: | goes from -20 (highest priority) to 19 (lowest). |
| [01:51:00] | FunkyELF: | weird because the nuvexport manpage says --nice sets the nicelevel for nuvexport to run at (values from 0–20) I'm wondering if 20 is valid |
| [01:52:00] | Kelerion: | well.. 0 will be high and 20 will be low |
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| [01:56:00] | Kelerion: | if you look at the code it extends that it.."--nice must be between -20 (highest priority) and 19 (lowest)" |
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| [01:56:00] | FunkyELF: | ahh...okay |
| [01:56:00] | _euphobot: | hello. I am getting this error Opening DVB frontend device failed. |
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| [01:58:00] | _euphobot: | I believe it has something to do with channels in db. How can I check to see if it is setup correctly |
| [01:58:00] | Kelerion: | what error? |
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| [02:03:00] | _euphobot: | backend log says |
| [02:03:00] | _euphobot: | .148 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [02:03:00] | _euphobot: | 2006-01–17 10:14:22.163 DVB#0 ERROR – Opening DVB frontend device failed. |
| [02:03:00] | _euphobot: | (2) No such file or directory |
| [02:03:00] | _euphobot: | 2006-01–17 10:14:22.165 Tuning Error — aborting recording |
| [02:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | well that is certainlya problem |
| [02:04:00] | Kelerion: | looks like it can't find the /dev entry |
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| [02:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | either the drivers for your DVB card are not loaded or your system isn't auto creating the /dev entries. |
| [02:04:00] | Kelerion: | woohoo! I got a problem right! :P |
| [02:05:00] | _euphobot: | well i have /dev/dvb devices and am using pchdtv |
| [02:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | /dev/dvb/adapter0/* ? |
| [02:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming it's adapter0 |
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| [02:07:00] | _euphobot: | oops! on restart of backend i get |
| [02:08:00] | _euphobot: | DVB#0 ERROR – Opening DVB frontend device failed. |
| [02:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | well like I said, either drivers are not loaded properly or device entries don't exist |
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| [02:11:00] | _euphobot: | thanks, I will have to check the driver loading after dinner |
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| [02:16:00] | stealth: | what does this mean? Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Backend locked up and not responding? Normally if it's a mismatched protocol version it would say so |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen that message before, but can't remember what it was |
| [02:20:00] | stealth: | both ips are the same in mythsetup.. docs say if i set one different it would do this |
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| [02:27:00] | Cardoe: | GreyFoxx: backend locked up |
| [02:27:00] | Cardoe: | or crashed |
| [02:31:00] | Beirdo: | now I just need my startup file |
| [02:31:00] | Beirdo: | and I should have my devel box running |
| [02:31:00] | Beirdo: | oh hell |
| [02:31:00] | Beirdo: | I forgot to rebuild on my PVR |
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| [02:39:00] | stealth: | anyone using gentoo with myth? do I need ieee1394 use flag.. i started mythbackend straight up and I get ERROR: FireWire Input configured, but MythTV was not compiled |
| [02:39:00] | stealth: | with FireWire support. ? |
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| [02:55:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: you around? |
| [02:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | select distinct seriesid from oldrecorded; |
| [02:57:00] | xris: | just let me know what the blank one looks like |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | nevermind, I just accounted for null or blank |
| [02:59:00] | xris: | ok, hopefully fixed your bug. let me know how it goes |
| [02:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll try it now |
| [03:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Did the protocol change again today ? |
| [03:02:00] | xris: | don't think so |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [03:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, I did an svn up and now get this Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=26, backend=25) |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | my master backend crashes. |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [03:03:00] | xris: | just about to install the latest, though |
| [03:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't notice another bump up from 25 so I thought maybe I had missed something L( |
| [03:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I manually edited it back to 25 and it's ok so far |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Looks like your fix did it |
| [03:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | looks like the protocol got bumped again 12 hours ago :) |
| [03:07:00] | Beirdo: | f'argh |
| [03:07:00] | Beirdo: | getting crap video, no audio |
| [03:07:00] | Kelerion: | hey.. cool.. I've never heard of in-wall speakers before.. |
| [03:07:00] | Beirdo: | perfect |
| [03:08:00] | Kelerion: | I'm in the process of re-doing my walls in my front wall.. might be worth considering |
| [03:08:00] | Kelerion: | my front room – I mean |
| [03:09:00] | xris: | ok, backend updated.. seems to work. hope it'll record my wife's shows tonight |
| [03:12:00] | Kelerion: | is it normal to get a "database is locked" error when looking at trac? I've never looked at it before (am presuming it ain't normal) |
| [03:12:00] | Beirdo: | is livetv still a bit borked in svn? |
| [03:13:00] | adante: | seems ok for me (8626) |
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| [03:13:00] | Beirdo: | do you use a slave backend? |
| [03:14:00] | adante: | nup |
| [03:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: I got the same error earlier today |
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| [03:14:00] | Kelerion: | okies.. will presume it's naffed out |
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| [03:15:00] | Kelerion: | ahh.. it's back |
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| [03:15:00] | bronco1: | hey all |
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| [03:25:00] | xris: | Beirdo: works for me, too.. but no slave backend |
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| [03:37:00] | defaultro: | good evening guys |
| [03:37:00] | macroexp: | ok i have a problem... i recently changed channel lineups on the zap2it site, so i dumped the channel defs in mythtvsetup and let it refill them with mythfilldatabase. the lineups and data look fine in the guide, mythweb, etc |
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| [03:38:00] | macroexp: | but myth says there is nothing to be recorded anymore. the schedules are still there, but it is apparently not applying them? i don't get it |
| [03:38:00] | defaultro: | for QAM256 on Comcast, which lineup should I add in zap2it? |
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| [03:39:00] | macroexp: | is there some way i can kick myth and tell it to re-evaluate the schedules? |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | One surefire way is to restart mythbackend :) |
| [03:40:00] | macroexp: | oh |
| [03:40:00] | macroexp: | :) |
| [03:40:00] | \Grooby\: | hello all |
| [03:40:00] | macroexp: | that sounds too easy, anything more complicated I can do? ;) |
| [03:42:00] | defaultro: | hi GreyFoxx, you've got multiple tuners right? |
| [03:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: yup |
| [03:43:00] | defaultro: | i'm a bit confused. I have analog comcast. Some guys who have analog are able to get digital channels. Which lineup in zap2it should I add? |
| [03:44:00] | travolta-: | the ones labeled "digital" ? |
| [03:44:00] | travolta-: | :) |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | If they are getting digital channels then they must be using a dvb card to do it |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | yeah, that's what they are using |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | but they only have analog subscription |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | That doesn't matter |
| [03:45:00] | defaultro: | that's what Michael Krufky told me |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless the cable company puts a filter on your line the data is still there |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just that people usually need a receiver to access it |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | I had a thinking that cable providers filter digital. SO if you are subscribe to analog, no digital data is sent. Am I correct? |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | oh, gotcha |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: It depends on how lazy the installer was |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | the filter is not there for sure |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | if they did or did not put a filter on the line |
| [03:46:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [03:47:00] | red_fox: | defaultro, I think most of the time they just regulate the cable boxes |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | most providers also encrypt the regular digital traffic |
| [03:47:00] | defaultro: | so then, i should get a signal tomorrow, W00T! |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | i remember my neighbor's lcd is able to get digital from comcast even with analog subscription |
| [03:48:00] | red_fox: | has anyone played around with firewire tv input? |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | this neighbor is just in front of me |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | however, he was only getting 3 digital channels |
| [03:48:00] | defaultro: | local channels :( |
| [03:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Likely then the only unencrypted channels |
| [03:49:00] | \Grooby\: | hmmm |
| [03:49:00] | \Grooby\: | digital filter |
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| [03:49:00] | \Grooby\: | forgot about that..maybe that's why i am not getting any QAM signals?!?! |
| [03:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Certainly possible |
| [03:50:00] | difeta: | hi all! Occasionaly, i get the wierd trwang sound on my recording when characters speak. Any ideas of what could cause this? |
| [03:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just like if you only buy certain analog channels/packages. The only reason you don't see the stuff you don't pay for is a filter on the line blocking the signal |
| [03:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm tempted to pickup a fusion card to try here |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [03:51:00] | defaultro: | mine is arriving tomorrow, woohoo |
| [03:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been told that my local cable providers sends all of their hdtv traffic in the clear |
| [03:52:00] | defaultro: | badabing |
| [03:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | if true it would be pretty sweet |
| [03:53:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | and if not I'll jus sell the card on ebay and get some of the money back |
| [03:53:00] | adante: | technically, would watching that without subscribing be illegal? |
| [03:53:00] | defaultro: | you're currently not getting any hd right now right |
| [03:54:00] | adante: | i'm not taking a moral stance here just curious |
| [03:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | adante: If it's sent in the clear how can they expect you not to watch it ? |
| [03:54:00] | defaultro: | adante, prolly, it's too much configuration/cost for them to filter each traffic per house |
| [03:55:00] | defaultro: | adante, and maybe, they're thinking that only 10% knows the work around |
| [03:55:00] | defaultro: | so they're sending it in clear. Just my guess :D |
| [03:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | The equipment is also not cheap :) |
| [03:55:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | one filter, $15-$30 times number of houses, wow, that's too much for them |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | plus the encryption device |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | plus the decryption device in the customer premise |
| [03:56:00] | defaultro: | not worth |
| [03:59:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, just in case, take note of these. These are the 3 things you need to enable for your future DVICO Fusion5 Lite card -> bttv and dvb-bt8xx and lgdt330x |
| [03:59:00] | defaultro: | I got that from mkrufky on the other channel, the driver coder |
| [04:00:00] | defaultro: | and 2.6.15 got support for it. Lower kernel, you have to cvs it |
| [04:00:00] | \Grooby\: | hmmmmm |
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| [04:01:00] | \Grooby\: | how do I tell if my mythtv is using xvmc? |
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| [04:01:00] | defaultro: | go to playback and check if it's checked |
| [04:02:00] | \Grooby\: | u mean "use xv picture control"?!?! |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | nevermind |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | found it |
| [04:03:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | \Grooby\: Is your OSD grey and not coloured ? |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | i'ts color |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | but i found the check box |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then you are not using xvmc |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | it wasn't checked |
| [04:03:00] | adante: | i don't understand – they'd need a filter if the hdtv stream was encrypted? |
| [04:03:00] | \Grooby\: | checking it now and see if it works |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | adante: No, the filter blocks the signal frm even reaching you |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | regardless of encryption |
| [04:05:00] | \Grooby\: | w00t! |
| [04:05:00] | adante: | right.. sorry way defaultro was talking sounded like you'd need one if it was encrypted |
| [04:05:00] | \Grooby\: | that helped a bit with my system load avg |
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| [04:05:00] | defaultro: | nope, decryption is prohibited here |
| [04:05:00] | defaultro: | that's not we were talking about |
| [04:05:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [04:06:00] | \Grooby\: | went from 8.xx to 4.xx |
| [04:06:00] | defaultro: | brb guys, I need to continue working on my master bath |
| [04:07:00] | Rakko: | Ugh, I have a really basic question here, and I don't see it in the FAQ... so, sorry... but anyway, the basic question is, what do I need to watch shows from digital cable on my PC and record them? I know that I can watch and record "regular" cable channels (those under 100 or so) with my WinTV card, but does digital cable require a certain kind of card? |
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| [04:07:00] | Rakko: | basically I'm not sure where to start with this |
| [04:07:00] | adante: | you were talking about filters, the encryption device, the decryption device and how it's not worth it – if you didn't mean it's not worth it to encrypt, then what where you talking about? |
| [04:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | For some markets it's not worth the time and or money to filter or encrypt it |
| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | depends on the size and of course your own evaluation of your users |
| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | the equipment to do the encryption, as well sa the cost of that measly little filter add up real quick in large markets |
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| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | It varies fom place to place of course |
| [04:10:00] | adante: | yep i can understand that |
| [04:11:00] | adante: | all i'm saying is, it sounded to me like defaultro was citing reasons NOT to encrypt, and one of them was 'filter' which seemed to imply you'd need a filter if it *was* encrypted, which i didn't understand, but the issue seems to be clarified now, so no matter :) |
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| [04:20:00] | FunkyELF: | perhaps a bit off topic...but does anyone here have a video iPod and know a good way to encode video for it? I have tried a windows solution called Videora iPod converter which works wonderfully on clips 5 minutes long like music videos, but when I encode a 40 minute episode of a TV show the audio and video get out of sync |
| [04:22:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: nuvexport works |
| [04:22:00] | xris: | supposedly |
| [04:22:00] | xris: | I still can't get ffmpeg to work |
| [04:22:00] | xris: | but the people I got the patch from seem to like it. |
| [04:22:00] | Rakko: | what's an ir blaster? |
| [04:23:00] | Rakko: | FunkyELF: Probably Quicktime would work, if you care to pay for it |
| [04:24:00] | xris: | Rakko: device your computer can use to send IR signals to a cable box |
| [04:25:00] | Rakko: | xris: oh, so that is how computers select channels? they can't just take the whole cable signal in and then use a tuner on the capture card to select the channel? |
| [04:25:00] | xris: | for analog stuff, sure |
| [04:25:00] | FunkyELF: | xris, I got ffmpeg to work okay for stuff that I record from MythTV using myth2ipod, but not stuff that I download that is HD widescreen |
| [04:25:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [04:25:00] | xris: | so.. not myth related |
| [04:26:00] | Rakko: | xris: lemme verify... for analog stuff they can use a tuner, but not for digital? |
| [04:26:00] | xris: | digital is encrypted |
| [04:27:00] | xris: | sometimes. |
| [04:27:00] | Rakko: | ok |
| [04:27:00] | Rakko: | do VCRs nowadays record from digital cable boxes? |
| [04:27:00] | xris: | but even if it's not encrypted, it takes a different kind of tuner |
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| [04:27:00] | xris: | Rakko: vcr's that do that have ir blasters |
| [04:27:00] | xris: | but not many do anymore.. which is why people get pvr's |
| [04:27:00] | Rakko: | and another question, are there ANY PCI (etc.) cards that actually can decrypt (or decode) digital signals? |
| [04:28:00] | Rakko: | PVRs can do it without using IR blasting? |
| [04:28:00] | Goldfisch: | Can anyone tell me the good/bad benefits of XvMC? I don't know if I should be pursuing usage of this. My system is nVidia GeForce MX 4000 with Athlon 64 3200+, using pcHDTV HD3000 card. |
| [04:28:00] | xris: | Rakko: the pvr you get from the cable (or satellite) company can, yes. |
| [04:29:00] | xris: | tivo uses an ir blaster |
| [04:29:00] | Rakko: | ok, thanks |
| [04:29:00] | xris: | as for pci cards... yes. atsc cards like the pchdtv or air2pc can |
| [04:29:00] | Rakko: | this stuff is really getting scary |
| [04:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Goldfisch: I would expect that CPU to be able to playback HDTV without having to use XvMC |
| [04:30:00] | Goldfisch: | Greyfoxx: Tnx. |
| [04:30:00] | Rakko: | with IR blasting, do you have to line up the devices in a certain way? |
| [04:31:00] | xris: | Rakko: depends on how powerful the blaster is. |
| [04:31:00] | xris: | I tape mine to the front of my dish receiver |
| [04:31:00] | xris: | Goldfisch: I can play back 1080i at "nice -0" on my relatively slow athlon mp 1900+ |
| [04:32:00] | red_fox: | I've never used XvMC... where is it useful? |
| [04:32:00] | red_fox: | just lower-end systems? |
| [04:32:00] | Goldfisch: | Athlon MP? Is that multi-processor, like dual-opteron? |
| [04:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline-: pretty much |
| [04:32:00] | red_fox: | kk |
| [04:34:00] | Rakko: | xris: so lemme see if I have this right... some boxes have serial ports, and those can ALSO be used to change the channel (if the evil cable company enables it)? |
| [04:34:00] | red_fox: | GreyFoxx, does it lower the picture quality? |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | yes |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | ^^ rakko |
| [04:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | red_fox: It shouldn't |
| [04:34:00] | Rakko: | anyone here using charter? |
| [04:34:00] | Rakko: | ok, xris. thanks for the help |
| [04:34:00] | Goldfisch: | I use the serial port on my Direct TV RCA receiver to change channels, as opposed to an IR blaster solution. |
| [04:35:00] | red_fox: | I'm using the firewire port on mine to change channels |
| [04:35:00] | Rakko: | who's your provider? |
| [04:35:00] | red_fox: | but my old IR blaster worked just as well |
| [04:35:00] | red_fox: | comcast |
| [04:36:00] | Rakko: | did you ask them to enable firewire, or was it just on? |
| [04:36:00] | Rakko: | I have Charter and my box is a DCT2224, and it does seem to have a serial port. Also, a "TV pass" slot — what is that? |
| [04:36:00] | red_fox: | I had to request the specific cable box |
| [04:36:00] | red_fox: | it was a pain |
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| [04:37:00] | red_fox: | I don't think the serial port worked on my 2224 |
| [04:37:00] | Rakko: | so you requested one with a working serial port, but they gave you firewire instead? |
| [04:37:00] | red_fox: | no I requested the firewire one |
| [04:38:00] | red_fox: | dct6200 |
| [04:38:00] | red_fox: | I got it because I was hoping to get HD over firewire, which isn't working very well for me |
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| [04:38:00] | Rakko: | the box has a hard drive? |
| [04:38:00] | red_fox: | nope |
| [04:39:00] | Rakko: | what did you mean 'HD over firewire'? |
| [04:39:00] | red_fox: | the box is capable of putting the tv signal out over the firewire port |
| [04:40:00] | red_fox: | it is the only good way I know of to get HD through a cable company |
| [04:40:00] | Rakko: | oh HD=high def |
| [04:40:00] | red_fox: | I believe all other HD cards are over-air |
| [04:40:00] | red_fox: | ah yeah |
| [04:40:00] | defaultro: | red_fox, what type of subscription? analog or digital? |
| [04:40:00] | Rakko: | what do you mean, over-air? |
| [04:40:00] | red_fox: | digital |
| [04:40:00] | red_fox: | broadcast, you pick it up with an antenna |
| [04:41:00] | red_fox: | defaultro, I don't think cable providers do non-digital HD... |
| [04:41:00] | Rakko: | oh... they don't have a connector for HD? (what connectors are used for HD, anyway — besides firewire?) |
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| [04:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rakko: DVI, HDMI, Component, and firewire |
| [04:42:00] | red_fox: | somebody needs to make a component mpeg4 card... |
| [04:42:00] | red_fox: | or dvi even |
| [04:42:00] | defaultro: | that's too expensive |
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| [04:42:00] | defaultro: | do you mean component input? if so, it's too expensice |
| [04:42:00] | red_fox: | why's that? |
| [04:43:00] | defaultro: | i just dn' |
| [04:43:00] | defaultro: | i just don't know, it's just expensive from what I've read somewhere |
| [04:43:00] | defaultro: | and it's not worth it |
| [04:43:00] | red_fox: | ah alright |
| [04:43:00] | red_fox: | sure it is... how else can you get HD content on your computer? |
| [04:43:00] | defaultro: | am using an air2pc |
| [04:44:00] | defaultro: | it's OTA |
| [04:44:00] | Rakko: | then how do HD cards record HD stuff that's only through cable? |
| [04:44:00] | red_fox: | what channels can you get? |
| [04:44:00] | defaultro: | but is QAM capable too, but haven't tried |
| [04:44:00] | defaultro: | Rakko, it's called QAM |
| [04:44:00] | Rakko: | I was just gonna ask what that is. |
| [04:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rakko: They are only recording unencrypted HDTV broadcasts over the cable |
| [04:45:00] | defaultro: | Broadcast is for OTA while QAM is for cable :) |
| [04:45:00] | red_fox: | from what I can tell with my firewire output, almost all the HD channels I get are encrypted |
| [04:45:00] | Rakko: | GreyFoxx: and there is no way for cards to capture those unencrypted cable broadcasts? |
| [04:45:00] | defaultro: | they;re all scrambled? |
| [04:45:00] | a1cyphe1: | Hey, is there a way to get mythtv to transcode into divx? |
| [04:45:00] | red_fox: | most of them |
| [04:45:00] | defaultro: | it should be that way :) |
| [04:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Rakko: reread what I just said |
| [04:45:00] | red_fox: | well, they won't output to firewire anyways |
| [04:45:00] | defaultro: | 5c |
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| [04:45:00] | Rakko: | oh, sorry. I did misread it :) |
| [04:46:00] | red_fox: | defaultro, yeah I believe so |
| [04:46:00] | red_fox: | defaultro, what HD channels do you get? |
| [04:46:00] | defaultro: | i've read somewhere about 169time |
| [04:46:00] | defaultro: | i get all the local channels in my area plus 2 in 70 miles away |
| [04:46:00] | red_fox: | ah ok |
| [04:46:00] | Rakko: | how does HD fare over airwaves, anyway? are there a lot of dropouts? |
| [04:47:00] | red_fox: | I'd really like to get hbo, tnt, etc |
| [04:47:00] | defaultro: | cbs, nbc, fox, wttw, wgn, |
| [04:47:00] | defaultro: | i forgot the other hd channels |
| [04:47:00] | defaultro: | upn |
| [04:47:00] | Rakko: | you're in the chicago area |
| [04:47:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [04:47:00] | defaultro: | and also some SDTVs too |
| [04:47:00] | red_fox: | I haven't looked into what we get over-air in KC |
| [04:48:00] | defaultro: | if I rotate my antenna, i would receive other channels |
| [04:48:00] | red_fox: | hehe |
| [04:48:00] | defaultro: | but am happy with my 22 degrees position |
| [04:48:00] | defaultro: | pointing to chicago |
| [04:48:00] | defaultro: | did you guys see 24 last sunday and yesterday? |
| [04:51:00] | intruz: | is there a good card guide? |
| [04:52:00] | intruz: | im really just looking for a tv-out card |
| [04:52:00] | Rakko: | I saw a tiny bit of it, defaultro, but I don't really "watch" it :) |
| [04:53:00] | defaultro: | k |
| [04:54:00] | Rakko: | so don't ask me for details |
| [04:54:00] | defaultro: | i wish i had DIY Network channel |
| [04:54:00] | defaultro: | topic is awesome. Building dedicated home theater |
| [04:57:00] | Rakko: | that is an actual channel? |
| [05:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [05:00:00] | Rakko: | hey, is there a way to check on a Motorola DCT2224 box whether serial port is enabled or not? |
| [05:00:00] | Rakko: | cool |
| [05:00:00] | red_fox: | Rakko, I think all you can do is hook up a serial cable and try |
| [05:00:00] | Rakko: | ok |
| [05:00:00] | Rakko: | serial seems so oldskool :) |
| [05:07:00] | Rakko: | thanks for the help, everyone |
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| [05:14:00] | defaultro: | first time I saw this, Out of Memory: Killed process 17113 (mythfrontend). |
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| [05:15:00] | defaultro: | prolly, i forgot to close gdb |
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| [05:33:00] | xris: | heh, sweet. I think I figured out why the nuvexport ipod exporter wasn't working. |
| [05:37:00] | Ryushin: | Anyone happen to know why my upgrade to 2.6.15 and ivtv-0.4.2, has resulted in now sound from the pvr-350 card. The HD-3000 card and the previou records have sound coming through fine. |
| [05:37:00] | Ryushin: | I'm going through the mailing list for ivtv now. |
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| [05:40:00] | Juski: | right.. that's the 'watch recordings' & 'delete recordings' menus using more of the screen area now |
| [05:40:00] | Juski: | morning |
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| [05:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: It's funny seeing how many shows in my guide are showing up as previously recorded :) |
| [05:43:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: but it's working properly now? |
| [05:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | At some point I must have recorded some of a "SIGN OFF" and a "Paid Programming" hehe |
| [05:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, seems to :) |
| [05:43:00] | xris: | heh |
| [05:43:00] | xris: | or some of that info is f'd up. heh |
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| [05:44:00] | Juski: | I really must try putting the new mythweb on my proper backend |
| [05:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I looked and early last year I recorded a bit of a time that was listed as "SIGN OFF" in the guide heh |
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| [05:47:00] | xris: | heh |
| [05:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe and 3 times I recorded "Paid Programming" |
| [05:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | must have been during some tests |
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| [05:52:00] | simcop2387: | grr my zaurus can't seem to decode video fast enough (or play it back, don't know which) |
| [05:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | try lowering the bitrate and framerate ? |
| [05:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | like if you record at 29fps, try dropping to 23? |
| [05:53:00] | simcop2387: | doesnt' seem to help much but i haven't play a whole lot |
| [05:54:00] | simcop2387: | that reminds me i never tried that last try with mencoder |
| [05:54:00] | Fenix-Dark: | where can if ind a guide on how to setup my ati tv wonder pro? I know it works in linux, but last time i had it working i had my friend set it up for me heh |
| [05:54:00] | Fenix-Dark: | and yes i did some googling first |
| [05:54:00] | simcop2387: | that i'm not sure about |
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| [05:58:00] | rhollan: | Grr. trying to compile liba52 / ffmpeg / transcode with no luck: I can't get ffmpeg/libavcodec to see liba52.so in /usr/local/lib for some reason |
| [05:58:00] | simcop2387: | rhollan: have you run ldconfig as root? |
| [05:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | or #ffmpeg :) |
| [05:59:00] | simcop2387: | dang the zaurus doesn't have the codec |
| [05:59:00] | rhollan: | sim...: yeah.. but that just fixes things at run time, not link time, no? |
| [05:59:00] | simcop2387: | both IIRC |
| [05:59:00] | Fenix-Dark: | any onw know? |
| [05:59:00] | rhollan: | I tried --extra-ldflags="-L/usr/local/lib -la52" to the ffmpeg compile to little avail. |
| [06:00:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: not off hand, i'd have to learn more about the card |
| [06:00:00] | simcop2387: | rhollan: you sure its just not finding the includes for it also? |
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| [06:01:00] | rhollan: | simp: don't think so... it's complaining about symbols at link time... |
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| [06:01:00] | rhollan: | gotta go run an errand to the store. BBIAB |
| [06:03:00] | jnewbigin: | Has anyone here got hdtv working in mythtv? |
| [06:03:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: looking at some pics it looks like a conextant chip, CX23883 |
| [06:04:00] | Fenix-Dark: | simcop2387, that sounds familiar |
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| [06:05:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: check this out |
| [06:05:00] | simcop2387: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x) |
| [06:05:00] | simcop2387: | looks like the standard kernel driver shoudl support it fine, which distro are you using? |
| [06:06:00] | Fenix-Dark: | slackware |
| [06:06:00] | koderpat_: | rock on |
| [06:07:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: do you know how to compile your own kernel? |
| [06:07:00] | Fenix-Dark: | simcop2387, yup |
| [06:08:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: its under the v4l configuration then |
| [06:08:00] | Fenix-Dark: | so just compile it w/that support and install an app that can use a tv tuner like tv time, xine? |
| [06:09:00] | a1cyphe1: | where do I configure myth to auto-transcode ? |
| [06:10:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: basically |
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| [06:10:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: mythtv can also use it if you really want recording, but you'll need a good cpu |
| [06:10:00] | topher: | is there any way to change the theme used for the video overlay? you know, the little pop up info when you change channels |
| [06:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | topher: you can change the OSD theme yeah |
| [06:11:00] | topher: | GreyFoxx, is that theme separate from the mythtv theme? i changed the menu theme and it looks hot but the osd theme didnt change |
| [06:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yes they are seperte |
| [06:11:00] | topher: | do you know where it is in the config? |
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| [06:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Settings -> TV Settings -> Playback I think |
| [06:12:00] | topher: | hrm, ok, so i just gotta dig around more |
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| [06:12:00] | topher: | cool. one last question: anybody else have a bug where the program guide doesnt show the current tv in a video in the upper right correctly? mine shows a distorted picture in the upper left inside |
| [06:12:00] | Fenix-Dark: | simcop2387, ok, an amd 3500+ should be enough, no? |
| [06:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Never seen that myself |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | but then I almost never use LiveTV |
| [06:13:00] | topher: | hrm, okay, it might be something for the ivtv folks |
| [06:13:00] | topher: | GreyFoxx, haha, i just got my mythtv box working almost perfectly today so i imagine ill be following the same idea of avoiding livetv :) |
| [06:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't avoid it as much as have no need for it :) |
| [06:14:00] | topher: | just got some video stuttering on normal tv and slightly worse on video playback ... not sure what that's about since the box is 3ghz with a pvr500 but im sure it's something stupid i forgot to configure |
| [06:14:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: plenty |
| [06:14:00] | ** GreyFoxx heads to bed ** | |
| [06:14:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: i used to do software encoding on an Athlon XP 1800+ |
| [06:14:00] | topher: | cya GreyFoxx |
| [06:14:00] | Juski: | topher: that's an issue caused by having no XV on the current display |
| [06:14:00] | Juski: | night GreyFoxx |
| [06:14:00] | topher: | Juski, hrm, so the nvidia drivers dont support xv overlay? |
| [06:14:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: you'll have to play with quality and such to suit your needs and your proc |
| [06:14:00] | topher: | Juski, or, i just have something fishy? |
| [06:15:00] | Fenix-Dark: | simcop2387, i know it didnt work on windows because of "macrovision" but is it possibile to hook up a dvd player to my tv card, and record a scene of the video and have it work w/audio and non-scrambled video in linux? it didnt work in windows so i called up the ati tech they told me its an anti piracy feature thats killing my audio and making my video recording of the move look like garbage |
| [06:15:00] | Juski: | you know in the livetv program guide screen.. not having XV on the current screen will cause the preview to be in the wrong place. found that out trying my theme edits out over a vnc connection to a desktop with no XV on it |
| [06:16:00] | topher: | Juski, oh, so that's the cause of both of my problems |
| [06:16:00] | Juski: | topher: could well be |
| [06:16:00] | topher: | Juski, do you know what might be wrong with my xv? this is a cheapo nvidia card + pvr500 |
| [06:16:00] | Juski: | do an xdpyinfo | grep xv (or XV) |
| [06:16:00] | topher: | hrm, im away from the box so ill have to come back in here when i hook it up proper again but what should i look for in that? |
| [06:17:00] | Juski: | have you got 'nv' or 'nvidia' in your xorg.conf in the 'driver' section? |
| [06:17:00] | topher: | yea, i think the video module uses driver "nvidia" |
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| [06:17:00] | topher: | i just modified the xorg.conf.nvidia made by the rpm |
| [06:17:00] | Juski: | not getting XV could be down to a multitude of things |
| [06:17:00] | topher: | alright, so i should prob come back later when i have the box in front of me? |
| [06:18:00] | Juski: | try the driver first.. that xdpyinfo command lists all the desktop extensions etc |
| [06:19:00] | Juski: | trying glxgears is usually a good idea to check the drivers out too.. if you get less than 1000fps on a recent card something's wrong IIRC |
| [06:19:00] | simcop2387: | Fenix-Dark: not sure but it might work |
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| [06:19:00] | topher: | ah, ok, thanks Juski , ill check it out and google it and come back here if i get stuck |
| [06:20:00] | Juski: | np |
| [06:21:00] | Fenix-Dark: | simcop2387, it was rahter dissapointing, i needed a 20 second clip of the battle scene in brave heart and a 20 second clip of the battle of helms deep for my english video project of macbeth, i would have liked to have it for extra effect lol |
| [06:21:00] | Juski: | it'll slow stuff down no end if there's no XV on your display ;) |
| [06:21:00] | Fenix-Dark: | rather* |
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| [06:24:00] | Fenix-Dark: | is the Theater 550 PRO chip supported in linux? |
| [06:25:00] | Juski: | Fenix-Dark: no, and is unlikely to be in future |
| [06:25:00] | Fenix-Dark: | thats too bad, i finally find a pcie x1 tv card lol |
| [06:26:00] | Juski: | a bit of a pity, because they get good reviews... but every review where those cards come out on top of PVR cards they've had to zoom way into the captured video to see any difference in quality |
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| [06:27:00] | rhollan: | I'm back strugling with lin liba52 link dependency |
| [06:29:00] | Fenix-Dark: | Juski, why do u say there wont be support for it in the future |
| [06:31:00] | ** rhollan hopes his ffmpeg compile will find liba52.so.... ** | |
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| [06:34:00] | rhollan: | Well, that's a bit more encouraging: one external dependency was resolved. |
| [06:34:00] | rhollan: | Now, I'm stuck with /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `please_use_av_log' Wonder if google knows anything... |
| [06:35:00] | Juski: | Fenix-Dark.. I didn't say 'won't' I said _unlikely_ |
| [06:37:00] | rhollan: | Hmm: "second, --enable-a52bin has apparently been borked for over a month" Perhaps I should not compile ffmpeg with --enable-a52bin |
| [06:38:00] | Juski: | right... ProjectGrayhem-wide theme version 1.2 is now available at www.juski.co.uk/pg-wide/ProjectGrayhem-wide_1.2.tar.bz2 |
| [06:40:00] | topher: | anybody have a recommendation on what remote + ir receiver i should buy for a linux mythtv box? |
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| [06:42:00] | rhollan: | Grr. Still geting /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `please_use_av_log' when compilig ffmpeg. |
| [06:42:00] | Juski: | topher: apparently ATI remote wonders will work, as will MCE remote & receivers |
| [06:43:00] | topher: | what's mce? |
| [06:43:00] | Fenix-Dark: | ati remote wonder works rather well |
| [06:44:00] | Fenix-Dark: | although the built in mouse on it moves a bit choppily |
| [06:44:00] | topher: | Fenix-Dark, good linux drivers? |
| [06:44:00] | Juski: | topher: you're kidding, right? |
| [06:44:00] | Fenix-Dark: | and u need xbindkeys (i prefer it to xmodmap) to get the extra buttons workin on the remote |
| [06:44:00] | Fenix-Dark: | topher, its supported on the kernel level |
| [06:44:00] | topher: | Juski, no, i dont know anything about this stuff |
| [06:45:00] | topher: | Fenix-Dark, oh ... that's rather supported |
| [06:45:00] | topher: | and they sell it separately from an all-in-wonder? |
| [06:45:00] | rhollan: | A ha! there's a conditional define on !(defined(LIBAVFORMAT_BUILD) || defined(_FRAMEHOOK_H)) that defines printf and fprintf as please_use_av_log. |
| [06:45:00] | Juski: | MCE is microsoft's PVR thing |
| [06:45:00] | topher: | Juski, oh... lol |
| [06:45:00] | Fenix-Dark: | topher, that i dunno |
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| [06:46:00] | topher: | Fenix-Dark, yay, it looks like they are sold separately |
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| [06:47:00] | topher: | does the remote wonder have a usb receiver or is it attached to the computer through a 5 1/4" bay or something? |
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| [06:47:00] | topher: | ah, nm, usb |
| [06:47:00] | Fenix-Dark: | a small usb dongle |
| [06:47:00] | Fenix-Dark: | its got great range |
| [06:48:00] | topher: | rad |
| [06:48:00] | Fenix-Dark: | since its RF |
| [06:48:00] | topher: | looks like what i want |
| [06:48:00] | topher: | oh cool, it's rf instead of ir? |
| [06:48:00] | Fenix-Dark: | yup |
| [06:48:00] | topher: | rad |
| [06:48:00] | Fenix-Dark: | dont have to worry about line of sight |
| [06:48:00] | topher: | thanks Fenix-Dark , that's pretty much exactly what im looking for |
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| [06:50:00] | Fenix-Dark: | topher, i highly suggest learning the xbindkeys syntax so u can get the tv/dvd/vol up down/ channel up down/ ff/rw/stop/mute/etc buttons working since xmodmap cant run applications, which as far as i know is needed to do most of the stuff you'd want |
| [06:50:00] | topher: | Fenix-Dark, is there a good site you can recommend to learn that or just "man xbindkeys"? |
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| [06:51:00] | Fenix-Dark: | hrm, xbindkeys website is down |
| [06:51:00] | Fenix-Dark: | just use man pages then |
| [06:51:00] | Fenix-Dark: | http://freshmeat.net/projects/xbindkeys/ |
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| [06:52:00] | topher: | ah, ok, cool. do you know if it matters if i buy the remote wonder ii or what? or, are these pages probably just mislabeled? |
| [06:54:00] | Fenix-Dark: | there's a remote wonder, a remote wonder II, and a remote wonder plus (i have the 'remote wonder') |
| [06:55:00] | Fenix-Dark: | i believe they're all supported, but you should do some googling first |
| [06:55:00] | topher: | ok, cool |
| [06:56:00] | topher: | thanks again Fenix-Dark |
| [06:57:00] | rhollan: | Hmm... some suggest that ffmpeg compilation with --enable-a52 is busted and that --enable-a52bin should be used if a52 is already built externally... trying... |
| [06:58:00] | rhollan: | nope... STILL busted on a reference to please_use_av_log |
| [06:59:00] | rhollan: | It looks like avformat isn't being built or something... |
| [06:59:00] | topher: | Fenix-Dark, wow, so the remote wonder just presses keys and creates mouse events for you and such? |
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| [07:10:00] | Juski: | right.. it's that time again... |
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| [07:25:00] | simcop2387: | rhollan: IIRC ffmpeg out of CVS worked fine for me but that was a few months ago |
| [07:25:00] | stealth: | anyone record from a sa3250 stb over 1394? |
| [07:27:00] | rhollan: | simc: yeah, I got ffmpeg to compile fine out of CVS just now... now fighting transcode. |
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| [07:35:00] | rhollan: | hmm, my libavcodec.so has no symbols defined now :-( |
| [07:35:00] | rhollan: | nm gives nothing |
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| [07:37:00] | rhollan: | This is so frustrating, just trying to get ffmpeg and transcode to play nice to gether |
| [07:38:00] | xris: | rhollan: what are you trying to do? |
| [07:38:00] | rhollan: | trying to build transcode so I can rip DVDs with mythfrontend |
| [07:38:00] | rhollan: | transcode needs livavcodec from ffmpeg |
| [07:38:00] | rhollan: | and ffmpeg needs liba52 |
| [07:38:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [07:38:00] | xris: | dependency hell |
| [07:38:00] | rhollan: | got liba52 built, then ffmpeg, now transcode is giving me grief |
| [07:39:00] | rhollan: | the funny thing is that myth wont rip without having a transcoder and I just wann rip, not transcode. |
| [07:39:00] | rhollan: | I'd be happy if it played raw ISO images off a hard disk (I do not want to compromise quality) |
| [07:40:00] | xris: | rhollan: that sucks... should submit a bug report. |
| [07:40:00] | rhollan: | xris: dunno, most people don't have oodles of disk space. |
| [07:41:00] | rhollan: | But, I want to set up a pristine server for my myth client I'm going to be building out: nano-ITX in a Silverstone LC08 case |
| [07:41:00] | xris: | rhollan: still might be worth a bug report.. likely wouldn't get fixed any time soon, but would be handy to know about |
| [07:41:00] | xris: | No pre-built packages for your distro? |
| [07:41:00] | rhollan: | xris: might do that if I can't figure it out myself. |
| [07:41:00] | rhollan: | FC3? Doubt it. Besides, I'd rather roll my own: I'll be porting to the nano-ITX |
| [07:41:00] | rhollan: | this is just a dry run on my desktop |
| [07:42:00] | xris: | freshrpms and atrpms both have good transcode/ffmpeg packages |
| [07:42:00] | rhollan: | xris: won't help when I have to target the nano-ITX hardware much. |
| [07:42:00] | xris: | atrpms also has myth packages (though if you want svn, I'm happy to share my specs so you could build your own) |
| [07:43:00] | xris: | rhollan: what does hardware have to do with it? |
| [07:43:00] | rhollan: | the nano-ITX sports a CN400 HD MPEG2 decoder chip... |
| [07:43:00] | xris: | in this case, the size of the hardware specifically... |
| [07:43:00] | xris: | ah |
| [07:43:00] | rhollan: | and there is already rudimentary myth support for it. |
| [07:43:00] | xris: | yes... what does this have to do with ffmpeg and transcode? |
| [07:43:00] | rhollan: | the CN400 drivers are a modified version of the CLE266. |
| [07:44:00] | rhollan: | Nothing directly, but as a prelude to targeting that platform, I'm building all the bits for an "easier" platform first: my dev desktop which is plain jane FC3 on an athlon |
| [07:45:00] | xris: | so install what you can from packages... |
| [07:45:00] | xris: | personally, I install as much as possible from packages.. makes things a lot easier. |
| [07:45:00] | rhollan: | I want to see the trouble spots before I through odd H/W at it. |
| [07:45:00] | rhollan: | I don't. I like to build from source. |
| [07:45:00] | rhollan: | habit, I suppose |
| [07:45:00] | xris: | then why aren't you using gentoo? |
| [07:46:00] | xris: | (btw, "building from source" and "using packages" are not incompatible) |
| [07:46:00] | rhollan: | spent too much time on RH. Old habits die hard. |
| [07:46:00] | rhollan: | xris: yes, but I expect I'll have to tweak a lot when I have to port it "for real". |
| [07:46:00] | xris: | I build most of my myth stuff from source.. INTO packages. |
| [07:47:00] | xris: | which is why I offered my myth specs to you |
| [07:47:00] | xris: | (which are unofficially the official specs) |
| [07:47:00] | rhollan: | Oh. |
| [07:47:00] | rhollan: | didn't catch that. |
| [07:48:00] | rhollan: | the big headache is that ffmpeg and transcode are not playing nice with eachother, |
| [07:48:00] | xris: | yeah. they're a PITA... |
| [07:48:00] | xris: | I strongly suggest that you grab the packages for those.. source packages if nothing else so you can see the compile options. |
| [07:48:00] | rhollan: | 'course it's confusing: some docs say ffmpeg is included in transcode, others say they're dynamically linked, and without delving deep, I can't figure out which is true, |
| [07:49:00] | rhollan: | good idea. |
| [07:49:00] | xris: | avoid atrpms if you can, since axel seems to like to put a lot of proprietary environment variable/build environment stuff in his specs |
| [07:49:00] | rhollan: | Do you have a definitive stable repository I should use? |
| [07:49:00] | xris: | I use freshrpms, dag, dries, livna and extras (which is available for fc3) |
| [07:49:00] | xris: | and turn on atrpms when I need something not in the others... |
| [07:50:00] | rhollan: | Agh! ffmpeg just blew up big time. |
| [07:50:00] | xris: | axel is the best source for mythtv stuff... but I disagree with how he sets up his source packages. |
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| [07:50:00] | rhollan: | So, you thing I should retry with a52dec, ffmpeg, and transcode from freshrpms? .src.rpm?? |
| [07:50:00] | xris: | the main issue is that he puts this %atrelease macro in all of his files, and all it does is print like the number 1 into the file... easy to remove if you know how to build from .spec, but annoying for the average user who just wants to --rebuild |
| [07:51:00] | rhollan: | been a while since i got deep into .spec files... I had once rolled an inhouse distro for Teradyne |
| [07:51:00] | xris: | shouldn't need src.rpm for this stuff. you won't really gain any performance improvements. |
| [07:51:00] | rhollan: | but that was way back in 00 |
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| [07:52:00] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc |
| [07:52:00] | rhollan: | Oh, I thought freshrpms just hosted, well, rpms. |
| [07:52:00] | xris: | huh? |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | those myth specs are designed for building against svn. will NOT work with .18 |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | but svn is better, anyway.... I think they got all of the livetv bugs worked out. heh |
| [07:53:00] | rhollan: | you mean the rest of myth out of svn? |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | myth and mythplugins |
| [07:53:00] | rhollan: | Hmm I see the plugins and mytv stuff, but what about the ffmpeg grief? |
| [07:54:00] | xris: | that's not myth... |
| [07:54:00] | xris: | freshrpms packages should have what you need for ffmpeg |
| [07:54:00] | rhollan: | right, but that's where my problem lies! |
| [07:54:00] | rhollan: | myth won't rip raw without transcode. Or, are you suggesting that out of svn it will? |
| [07:55:00] | xris: | I'm saying... install ffmpeg and transcode packages from freshrpms, et. al. then compile whichever myth you want. |
| [07:55:00] | rhollan: | good plan. |
| [07:55:00] | xris: | I offered my specs because I personally prefer to use packages for stuff when I can. |
| [07:55:00] | rhollan: | appreciate it. I generally like to make them too.. keeps the installed S/W database up to date |
| [07:56:00] | xris: | yup. and keeps /usr/local/ clear (I started with slackware, it was a pain) |
| [07:56:00] | rhollan: | But, I've installed so much crap on this box, being too lazy to make .spec files. |
| [07:56:00] | rhollan: | polish vs. haste, I suppose. |
| [07:57:00] | rhollan: | earlier this week I fought with a SATA drive and controller and finally gave up and got a 400 GB PATA drive. |
| [07:57:00] | xris: | ouch |
| [07:57:00] | xris: | fc3 is bad for such stuff.. I personally encourage people to stay away from fc2 and 3 (2 was worse, but 3 wasn't that great) |
| [07:57:00] | rhollan: | Turns out the Seagate SATA drive does not honor the SATA spec completely, and the Silicon Image controller "pushed" the spec to the limit |
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| [07:58:00] | rhollan: | There is a 2.6 kernel "blacklist" for sata_sil, but it was not reliable enough for me |
| [07:58:00] | rhollan: | I miss the RH6/7 days. Everything seamed to go down hill after 8 |
| [07:58:00] | rhollan: | I *hated* yum in FC... it was so busted – hitting a common set of overloaded servers |
| [07:59:00] | xris: | yum in fc4 is better |
| [07:59:00] | rhollan: | Anyway, a 400GB PATA drive for $218 seamed like a good deal. |
| [07:59:00] | xris: | but still sucks. |
| [07:59:00] | xris: | I hear the whole thing is getting replaced by something called smart in some future version |
| [07:59:00] | rhollan: | I always liked the BSD way of packaging: .tgz with some "special" files that handle the metadata |
| [08:00:00] | xris: | that's all rpm is |
| [08:00:00] | xris: | or .deb |
| [08:00:00] | xris: | deb is a bunch of special files, rpm is one (which is a lot nicer, imho) |
| [08:01:00] | rhollan: | yeah, but rpm can't be disassembled with classic tools, like tar |
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| [08:01:00] | rhollan: | you need rpm to read rpms, and that's a little bonkers. |
| [08:01:00] | rhollan: | you should only need rpm to *process* the metadata, not extract it. |
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| [08:01:00] | rhollan: | but that's just my NSHO |
| [08:01:00] | xris: | or rpm2tgz |
| [08:01:00] | rhollan: | right |
| [08:03:00] | rhollan: | Hmm. got a clean ffmpeg compile out of CVS (well, at least no hard errors, lots of sloppy type conversions) |
| [08:03:00] | rhollan: | BRB. Time for a beer :-) |
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| [08:06:00] | rhollan: | Ahh! The pause that refreshes |
| [08:06:00] | xris: | man, ffmpeg is fast to encode to ipod |
| [08:07:00] | rhollan: | what format does the ipod want? mpeg4 or 3g2? |
| [08:07:00] | ** rhollan has a cell phone that saves video as 3g2 ** | |
| [08:07:00] | rhollan: | WOO HOO Got a clean transcode build! |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | mpev4 in .mov |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | or mpeg.. whatever. heh |
| [08:08:00] | rhollan: | makes sence |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | trying to get a clean nuvexport module for it... the one people gave me doesn't work right. |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | I think I finally got it happy. |
| [08:09:00] | rhollan: | When I worked for ATI I *sooooo* wanted to port Myth to the Xilleon, but never delved deep enough into it... See the X225/226 chips were MIPS4k CPUs with H/W mpeg processors integrated |
| [08:10:00] | rhollan: | the problem was that everything wanted to demux the A/V streams themselves, and the chips just ate mpeg2 TS (or PS, or ES or PES, depending how configured). |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | oops |
| [08:12:00] | ** rhollan remembers to bookmark xris' site of spec files. ** | |
| [08:12:00] | adante: | is say the fonts in the regular menus (non epg/osd), are they hardcoded into the themes? |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | rhollan: I'm always here, too... |
| [08:14:00] | rhollan: | that's good to know. |
| [08:15:00] | rhollan: | So, i've got transcode built and installed... but i don't see how to run it as a transcoding daemon. |
| [08:15:00] | rhollan: | man transcode |
| [08:15:00] | rhollan: | oops |
| [08:15:00] | juski: | fdisk /dev/hda |
| [08:15:00] | juski: | oops |
| [08:16:00] | juski: | (phew) |
| [08:16:00] | rhollan: | sudo rm -rf / |
| [08:16:00] | rhollan: | OOPS |
| [08:16:00] | rhollan: | :-) |
| [08:16:00] | juski: | rhollan. i did that once.. bad move |
| [08:16:00] | rhollan: | fdisk isn't so bad... just remember your partitions and recreate them :-) |
| [08:16:00] | juski: | sort of thing you only ever do once ;) |
| [08:16:00] | rhollan: | juski: yup. we've ALL done that, I think. |
| [08:18:00] | xris: | ok, new nuvexport with working ipod support gettiung posted in 5 secs |
| [08:19:00] | stealth: | I believe I have the firewire all setup.. when I setup p2p connection for my 1394 stb plugreport n_p2p_connections changes from 0 to 1 .. but when i try to watch livetv I get Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv (which has a file size of 0) |
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| [08:22:00] | rhollan: | grr.. wife wants to check email... (Damn, shoulda gotten her a PC) |
| [08:23:00] | rhollan: | Self to wife: "xchat is NOT a firefox plugin... It *won't* 'just work'" |
| [08:24:00] | ** rhollan hates web-based chats without a plain IRC interface... ** | |
| [08:25:00] | SteveDaniels: | Juski: remixed that MythTV demo vid yet? ;-) |
| [08:26:00] | juski: | nah |
| [08:26:00] | juski: | I'm leaving it as is |
| [08:26:00] | SteveDaniels: | Nice one :-P |
| [08:27:00] | juski: | had to delete it from my webspace this morning to make room for a new upload though |
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| [08:27:00] | SteveDaniels: | I can see calls for the extraview/redhot patch to be incorporated into myth :P |
| [08:27:00] | juski: | I knew 50MB wespace wouldn't be enough |
| [08:27:00] | SteveDaniels: | lol |
| [08:27:00] | juski: | SteveDaniels: I can see it not being incorporated.. xtraview is going away soon |
| [08:28:00] | SteveDaniels: | right, must go to work... gah! |
| [08:28:00] | juski: | as for redhot... there's better available from erm.. other sources |
| [08:28:00] | SteveDaniels: | juski: I was joking.. anyway! laters! |
| [08:28:00] | juski: | laters indeed |
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| [08:30:00] | rhollan: | Sheesh: 50 MB web space... /me remembers when a 10 MB drive weighed 300 lbs, cost $14k, and took 15 amps to spin up... and here I just added 400 GB to my server... |
| [08:32:00] | xris: | lol |
| [08:32:00] | rhollan: | CDC Hawk, c. 1976 |
| [08:32:00] | xris: | seen coffee tables made out of platters like that |
| [08:32:00] | juski: | lol |
| [08:33:00] | juski: | my watch has more RAM than my first ever computer, but I bet everyone can say that |
| [08:33:00] | rhollan: | yeah, 14" platters. When those drives crashed, it was like a freight train running throught the machine room. |
| [08:33:00] | xris: | I can't |
| [08:33:00] | xris: | I don't have a watch |
| [08:33:00] | xris: | rhollan: I'm talking more like 30" platters |
| [08:34:00] | rhollan: | My Cell phone has a 512 Mb micro-SD flash chip 1/4" by 1/4" |
| [08:34:00] | rhollan: | xris: perhaps, but I thought the Hawks were 14". Oh well, memory fades... |
| [08:34:00] | xris: | rhollan: well, I don't know brands/etc... just that there were some that big |
| [08:34:00] | xris: | friend of mine always wanted to find one and make a table out of it. |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | found pics on the net recently of someone who had |
| [08:35:00] | rhollan: | 'course in 1976 to have one (on loan) while still living with parents, was, er, impressive, in a perverse way. |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | heh. before I was born (barely) |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | ok, time to sleep.... |
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| [08:54:00] | stealth: | how do I enable 1394 for svn? ./configure keeps saying firewire no |
| [08:57:00] | stealth: | even when i ./configure --enable-firewire |
| [09:03:00] | _euphobot: | hello? |
| [09:04:00] | _euphobot: | DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0 |
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| [09:09:00] | dasOp: | stealth: if configure says no, it means its not finding the necessary firewire libs (and/or headers) |
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| [09:13:00] | juski: | _euphobot: looks like somebody hasn't scanned for channels in mythtv-setup |
| [09:18:00] | _euphobot: | Juski: thanks. but now I get |
| [09:18:00] | _euphobot: | ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. |
| [09:18:00] | _euphobot: | how do i put in PIDS |
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| [09:20:00] | juski: | scanning should do that already |
| [09:20:00] | juski: | or rather mythtv determines the PIDs itself |
| [09:24:00] | johnp_: | _euphobot, you sure it's not the starting channel ? |
| [09:25:00] | _euphobot: | can I have a starting channel of 4_1? |
| [09:25:00] | _euphobot: | it is in the list |
| [09:26:00] | juski: | 4_1 won't be a valid channel number |
| [09:27:00] | johnp_: | juski, is that correct in the case of starting channels though ? |
| [09:28:00] | _euphobot: | that is what the channel editor calls it |
| [09:28:00] | juski: | as far as I know channel numbers have to be plain straight numbers.. no extra characters in them |
| [09:28:00] | juski: | so 4 would be valid |
| [09:29:00] | juski: | 1 would be valid... 41 would be valid.. but not 4_1 |
| [09:29:00] | rhollan: | O.K. I must be stupid. What is they keyboard shortkut to start ripping a DVD with myth? |
| [09:31:00] | _euphobot: | 4 doesn't work either |
| [09:31:00] | juski: | ahh wait.. channum in the channel table is a varchar, so doesn't need to be just numbers (i.e. it's not an int) |
| [09:32:00] | _euphobot: | and it refers to the "number" that channel editor uses? |
| [09:32:00] | juski: | yep |
| [09:32:00] | _euphobot: | so the problim is not the start channel |
| [09:33:00] | _euphobot: | backend says "no pids set" where is it looking? |
| [09:33:00] | _euphobot: | and it says to correct my channel setup |
| [09:34:00] | _euphobot: | doesn't appear I can edit the pids on backend setup |
| [09:35:00] | johnp_: | no, you can't it. It should be pulling them down from the transmission. |
| [09:35:00] | _euphobot: | from the scan not the filldatabase? |
| [09:36:00] | johnp_: | yup |
| [09:36:00] | johnp_: | (disclaimer it's a little while since I've looked at this area) |
| [09:36:00] | _euphobot: | and from the scan it puts them into the mysql? |
| [09:37:00] | _euphobot: | johnp_: at least you have been past this |
| [09:38:00] | johnp_: | I *think* it matches the pid in the channel definition to the one in the table from the transmission. (But that could be completely wrong and I can't remember what the db structure looks like) |
| [09:39:00] | _euphobot: | varchar would trim the chan num, so I guess a space before it is silly |
| [09:41:00] | johnp_: | Is it not the atscsrcid in the channel table ? assuming that you are using ATSC or possibly serviceid if you are using DVB ? |
| [09:42:00] | _euphobot: | say! I am not getting a message in backend log reporting that it is trying ANY start channel |
| [09:45:00] | _euphobot: | both of those columns are null in channel |
| [09:45:00] | johnp_: | that doesn't sound too good. |
| [09:47:00] | juski: | for DVB, mythtv takes the service ID of a channel, then looks up the PIDs of that serviceid in the SIT (service information table) within a DVB stream on a particular multiplex |
| [09:47:00] | _euphobot: | I have got name |
| [09:51:00] | _euphobot: | don't have a sit or SIT table |
| [09:52:00] | johnp_: | _euphobot, that's one of the OTA tables transmitted by DVB (does ATSC have it's own name for that ?) |
| [09:53:00] | johnp_: | _euphobot, are you DVB or ATSC ? |
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| [09:53:00] | _euphobot: | you mean sit is not suppose to be in mysql? |
| [09:53:00] | johnp_: | coorect |
| [09:53:00] | juski: | nope |
| [09:53:00] | johnp_: | (correct even) |
| [09:54:00] | juski: | when mythtv scans, it adds a number of multiplxes in the dtv_multiplex table |
| [09:55:00] | juski: | then it goes through each dtv_multiplex table entry, parses the SIT and adds channels into the 'channel' table, referenced to the dtv_multiplex |
| [09:56:00] | juski: | when myth goes to 'tune' to a channel, it looks for the service ID of that channel on the mux it has it assigned to... that's my understanding of it. ATSC will probably be similar but not the same |
| [09:57:00] | _euphobot: | well I think I am dvb. I mean i have the driver and thought I set it in backend setup |
| [09:57:00] | juski: | _euphobot: what kind of card do you have? |
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| [09:58:00] | SpumDiddy: | hi there :-) |
| [09:58:00] | johnp_: | _euphobot, where in the world are you ? |
| [09:58:00] | _euphobot: | pchdtv |
| [09:58:00] | juski: | ATSC in that case |
| [09:59:00] | SpumDiddy: | Hey there, is there any documented usages of MythTV in the UK |
| [09:59:00] | SpumDiddy: | All i saw on any screenshots was NBC and american channels |
| [09:59:00] | SpumDiddy: | :-/ |
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| [09:59:00] | _euphobot: | so I set it wrong on the backend setup? |
| [09:59:00] | Merlin83b: | Spum: juski And myself are in .uk. |
| [10:00:00] | Spum: | ah |
| [10:00:00] | _euphobot: | I am in los angeles |
| [10:00:00] | Spum: | Is there a guide as to what hardware is reccomended to receive TV? |
| [10:00:00] | Spum: | As in, supported |
| [10:01:00] | ** Spum 's eyes are in pain after seeing the wiki ** | |
| [10:01:00] | Merlin83b: | Spum: DVB or analogue? |
| [10:01:00] | Merlin83b: | Or something else... |
| [10:02:00] | Spum: | Hmm, analogue probably |
| [10:02:00] | Merlin83b: | THen you want Hauppauge PVR cards. |
| [10:02:00] | Merlin83b: | If you want two, your best bet is probably a PVR-500 |
| [10:02:00] | Merlin83b: | If you only want one then a PVR-150 will do you. |
| [10:02:00] | dasOp: | I wish I had a pvr card :P |
| [10:02:00] | Spum: | Two? |
| [10:02:00] | Merlin83b: | Spum: The PVR-500 has two tuners on it. |
| [10:02:00] | Spum: | Is that just to reduce the load? |
| [10:02:00] | dasOp: | no |
| [10:03:00] | Merlin83b: | ie. record one, watch another. |
| [10:03:00] | Merlin83b: | Or record two things. |
| [10:03:00] | dasOp: | one active channel = one tuner |
| [10:03:00] | dasOp: | there are no "soft tuners" |
| [10:04:00] | Spum: | Ah right |
| [10:04:00] | Spum: | Still, the EPG-type thing is great |
| [10:04:00] | Merlin83b: | It is. |
| [10:04:00] | Merlin83b: | But mythtv does a lot more :-) |
| [10:04:00] | dasOp: | I dont use it fully and still love it |
| [10:05:00] | dasOp: | mythweb = great |
| [10:05:00] | Spum: | Heh, it works with sky as well? |
| [10:05:00] | dasOp: | winmyth = not so great but I still use it |
| [10:05:00] | juski: | Spum: do you really wanna be messing with analogue seen as it'll be switched off sometime in 2010/2100/2200 |
| [10:05:00] | juski: | Spum: it'll work with your $ky set top box |
| [10:05:00] | dasOp: | there are people here with like 200 sky channels |
| [10:05:00] | dasOp: | so I guess it does |
| [10:06:00] | Spum: | why did you use $ky :-P |
| [10:06:00] | Spum: | Sky is quality |
| [10:06:00] | juski: | is it shite! |
| [10:06:00] | Spum: | Yeah it is |
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| [10:06:00] | Spum: | I bet you just don't have it |
| [10:06:00] | ** dasOp remember the days of 10 years ago when I had free sky via sat ** | |
| [10:06:00] | juski: | oh I have it.. dunno ffor how much longer though |
| [10:06:00] | Spum: | I couldn't live without sky sports |
| [10:06:00] | Merlin83b: | I don't have it and honestly don't want it. |
| [10:07:00] | Merlin83b: | |
| [10:07:00] | juski: | since I added it to mythtv I've seen the star ratings for 99% of the movies thhey show.. 2 stars or less |
| [10:07:00] | Spum: | heh |
| [10:07:00] | Spum: | You added sky to mythTV without paying? |
| [10:07:00] | Spum: | yeah, but they show 9 channels of movies 24/7 |
| [10:07:00] | juski: | ahem! did I say I don't pay for it? |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | You didn't really say anything |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:08:00] | juski: | Spum: yeah and 99% of them are less than 2 star rated |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | Not really |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | 99% is a bit of a bad estimate |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | if you had watched 99% of them, maybe |
| [10:08:00] | juski: | alright.. it's probably more like 99.9% of them then |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | nah |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | Probably a lot less |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:08:00] | Spum: | there is such a thing as "someone else" |
| [10:09:00] | juski: | depends what you like. |
| [10:09:00] | Spum: | If they just put porn on all day for you, you'd be happy as larry |
| [10:09:00] | juski: | if you like Vin Diesel unplug brain action you'll be happy :) |
| [10:09:00] | Spum: | heh, shows how much you watch it |
| [10:09:00] | dasOp: | god bless digital cable |
| [10:09:00] | Spum: | they haven't had a film with vin diesel in it for weeks |
| [10:09:00] | dasOp: | where I can pay for exactly the chans I want and nothing more :P |
| [10:10:00] | Spum: | so, now i know you're talking out of your arse |
| [10:10:00] | Spum: | :-OP |
| [10:10:00] | juski: | you get my drift though.. unplug brain.. stop thiking.. watch |
| [10:10:00] | Spum: | But anyway, how would i "route" Sky TV through MythTV? |
| [10:10:00] | dasOp: | you would use an ir blaster and an external channel change script (or so I think) |
| [10:11:00] | Spum: | i was asking juski :-/ |
| [10:11:00] | Spum: | seen as he did it |
| [10:11:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:12:00] | juski: | PVR150 card into the cable box.. then change channels with a script |
| [10:12:00] | Spum: | There's like 900 channels :-/ |
| [10:12:00] | Spum: | hope i don't have to type them all in :-P |
| [10:13:00] | juski: | oh but you do.. LOL |
| [10:13:00] | Spum: | :'( |
| [10:13:00] | juski: | just put the ones in that arre worth seeing.. that narrows it down quite a bit |
| [10:13:00] | juski: | cut out the non-english & the shopping channels... |
| [10:14:00] | Spum: | heh |
| [10:14:00] | Spum: | shopping channels are dog shit |
| [10:14:00] | Spum: | but, the wife watches them now and again |
| [10:14:00] | Spum: | So, how much do these cards cost? |
| [10:15:00] | juski: | about £40.. without a remote control |
| [10:16:00] | juski: | or up to £50 with remote (PVR150).. don't pay PC World or Ebay prices for them |
| [10:16:00] | juski: | PVR500 costs about £110 |
| [10:16:00] | Spum: | And that has the whole shabandg? |
| [10:16:00] | Spum: | shabang* |
| [10:16:00] | juski: | oh and if you wanna record 2 $ky channels at the same time you need to have 2 $ky boxes |
| [10:17:00] | juski: | PVR500 doesn't come with a remote |
| [10:17:00] | Spum: | booo |
| [10:17:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [10:17:00] | Spum: | I only have 1 |
| [10:17:00] | Spum: | Sky+ |
| [10:17:00] | Merlin83b: | If you have Sky+, why do you want MythTV? |
| [10:17:00] | juski: | just keep use that then |
| [10:17:00] | Merlin83b: | In essence, they perform the same functions. |
| [10:18:00] | Spum: | The skins |
| [10:18:00] | Spum: | The freedom |
| [10:18:00] | Spum: | The control ;-) |
| [10:18:00] | juski: | apart from mythtv doesn't stop you watching stuff if there's no signal ;) |
| [10:18:00] | juski: | Skins? Themes, you mean |
| [10:18:00] | Spum: | With this, i can play around with the source code |
| [10:18:00] | juski: | this isn't Winamp |
| [10:18:00] | Spum: | I didn't say it was winamp |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | Skins/themes, whatever |
| [10:19:00] | juski: | :-P |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | You sure are pedantic :-P |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | Are you sure you shouldn't just stop moaning about everything and enjoy life |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:19:00] | juski: | yeh well.. but not as pedantic as linux |
| [10:19:00] | juski: | fuck off |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | Oh dear |
| [10:19:00] | Spum: | another one |
| [10:20:00] | juski: | aaanyway... |
| [10:20:00] | Spum: | Hmm, still |
| [10:21:00] | Spum: | I'm using it because i want to get a neat little function in |
| [10:21:00] | Spum: | I know that on sky, with any sitcom |
| [10:21:00] | Spum: | or program in a series, they use the program name, then add the episode title at the start of the description |
| [10:21:00] | Spum: | If i could use that to get say, a still of the program from the net |
| [10:22:00] | Spum: | then i could have a little gallery view of what's on the channel :-) |
| [10:22:00] | juski: | Spum: in mythtv you can have 'title' and 'subtitle'.. where 'subtitle' is the episode name |
| [10:23:00] | juski: | I think the only thing mythtv doesn't have that $ky does is channel grouping |
| [10:23:00] | Spum: | Hmm, does it usually "fill in" the subtitle |
| [10:23:00] | Spum: | or only if sky supplies it |
| [10:23:00] | juski: | mythtv doesn't get anything from Sky |
| [10:24:00] | Spum: | It doesn't? |
| [10:24:00] | Spum: | How does it get the program info ? |
| [10:24:00] | juski: | only listings grabber you can use for that is from the radio times (tv_grab_uk_rt) |
| [10:24:00] | Spum: | you are having a laugh |
| [10:24:00] | Spum: | Sky has it's own listing |
| [10:26:00] | Spum: | But still, MythTV is ace |
| [10:27:00] | Merlin83b: | ...and the Sky+ box uses it. Almost like they don't want you using competing products! |
| [10:27:00] | juski: | how would mythtv get the listings off the sky box? |
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| [10:27:00] | Spum: | Sky+ uses mythTV? |
| [10:27:00] | Spum: | juski, the sky box does it ;-) |
| [10:27:00] | Merlin83b: | Um, no. Sky+ uses the EPG data. |
| [10:28:00] | Spum: | they don't say "hang on a sec, just reading the TV times" then type it up |
| [10:28:00] | Spum: | it's already in there |
| [10:28:00] | juski: | it uses the same EPG data that all Sky boxes get AFAIK |
| [10:28:00] | Merlin83b: | No, they broadcast it and then keep it to themselves. |
| [10:28:00] | Spum: | Can't MythTV do the same? |
| [10:29:00] | Merlin83b: | It can and does for other things. |
| [10:29:00] | Merlin83b: | Sky doesn't give out the EPG data though. |
| [10:29:00] | juski: | Spum: Sky have closed their system to everyone but themselves.. there'd be no way for myth to gett program guide stuff from a sky box |
| [10:29:00] | Spum: | so how does the sky box get it |
| [10:29:00] | juski: | Sky transmit it |
| [10:29:00] | juski: | on their satellites |
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| [10:29:00] | Merlin83b: | It's made my Sky. They broadcast the EPG. They don't give that data out to Myth or any other thing. |
| [10:30:00] | Spum: | Can't you reverse engineer it? :-P |
| [10:30:00] | Merlin83b: | No, can't you? |
| [10:30:00] | Spum: | I know they have a EPG channel |
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| [10:30:00] | Spum: | I was only joking Merlin83b, don't get upset |
| [10:30:00] | Merlin83b: | I'm not upset, I was answering your question. |
| [10:31:00] | Merlin83b: | It's beyond my capabilities, but someone else probably could grab it from the EPG channel. |
| [10:31:00] | Spum: | It'd probably be encrypted, right? |
| [10:31:00] | juski: | oh yeah.. then some |
| [10:31:00] | Merlin83b: | If they put it on screen then MythTV could "see" that screen and potentially rip the content into its database. |
| [10:31:00] | Spum: | Hmm |
| [10:32:00] | Spum: | Hmm |
| [10:32:00] | Spum: | I think i'll make my own theme :-/ |
| [10:33:00] | Spum: | But still, MythTV is a nice piece of kit |
| [10:33:00] | juski: | heh good luck with that |
| [10:33:00] | juski: | I'm still on with mine |
| [10:33:00] | Spum: | Well, i'll get my daughter to do it |
| [10:33:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [10:33:00] | Spum: | But she's at school, so |
| [10:34:00] | ** Merlin83b completes yet another build of SVN ** | |
| [10:34:00] | ** juski unleashed ver 1.2 of his theme today ** | |
| [10:35:00] | Spum: | which theme? |
| [10:35:00] | juski: | www.juski.co.uk |
| [10:35:00] | juski: | shite website, I know... |
| [10:36:00] | Spum: | looks alright |
| [10:37:00] | Spum: | Still, it's amazing the stuff it can do |
| [10:37:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, http://www.whizzy.org/movefile.py.html |
| [10:37:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: nice :) |
| [10:38:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, it's very rough at the moment, but it works! |
| [10:38:00] | Spum: | What's that? |
| [10:39:00] | Kelerion: | morning :) |
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| [10:39:00] | Kelerion: | whats new if this version juski? |
| [10:40:00] | Merlin83b: | I'd suggest you password protect that if it actually does anything, _willcooke_ :-) |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | Spum: mythv uses slightly less than friendly filenames, so if you want to deal with them with other machines, it's good to have them renamed, or at least shown in a more user friendly form ;) |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | Kelerion: uses more screen space |
| [10:40:00] | Spum: | Heh, i can sort that out |
| [10:40:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:40:00] | Kelerion: | ahh.. the stuff I saw Chutt mentioned? |
| [10:40:00] | _willcooke_: | Merlin83b, :) That's only a mock-up of the real thing that lives in my network, not on t'internet |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | Kelerion: yeh.. bigger watermarks are coming eventually |
| [10:41:00] | ** Kelerion goes to download it ** | |
| [10:43:00] | Spum: | :-O |
| [10:43:00] | Spum: | MythPhone! |
| [10:44:00] | juski: | yep |
| [10:44:00] | Spum: | Wow, sensual |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | wouldn't go that far... but yeh it's good ;) |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | <afk> |
| [10:46:00] | Spum: | It' pretty damn sexy |
| [10:46:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [10:47:00] | Kelerion: | ooh.. you widened the channel names column in the epg.. excellent :) |
| [10:47:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
| [10:51:00] | Kelerion: | juski: nice work dude.. would it be a big change for me to make the recorded list shorter so I could have more space underneath the the program info? I can see chutts' point but I prefer to be able to read what an episodes about |
| [10:58:00] | Kelerion: | it's ok.. found the section.. will play with it later... another excellent released :) |
| [10:58:00] | ** Kelerion is just happy to be able to see the channel names in the epg! ** | |
| [10:58:00] | Spum: | ;-) |
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| [11:07:00] | juski: | Kelerion: what.. you mean undo the big change I've just done in the recorded list? ;) |
| [11:07:00] | Spum: | I thought you were away :-/ |
| [11:07:00] | juski: | I decided last night that 2 or 3 lines of program description should be enough.. radio times need to stop writing frickin' essays |
| [11:08:00] | Spum: | heh, nah |
| [11:08:00] | Spum: | Just have a cut-off |
| [11:08:00] | Spum: | eg, first 50 words |
| [11:08:00] | juski: | thats basically what I've done |
| [11:08:00] | Kelerion: | well.. I like everything else you've done! allow me one gripe huh?!? :P |
| [11:08:00] | juski: | lol |
| [11:09:00] | Spum: | :-D |
| [11:09:00] | juski: | you'll need to change the xml file and the graphic used to outline the list |
| [11:09:00] | Spum: | Well, i've already ordered the PVR500 |
| [11:09:00] | ** Spum rubs hands ** | |
| [11:09:00] | Spum: | Well, almost |
| [11:09:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [11:09:00] | juski: | or just use bits from the older theme version ;) |
| [11:10:00] | Spum: | Which one has the remote control |
| [11:10:00] | Kelerion: | yup.. thats the approach I was thinking.. lol |
| [11:10:00] | juski: | Spum: the 500 doesn't come with a remote.. and the PVR150 MCE doesn't come with a remote either |
| [11:11:00] | Spum: | Argh :-( |
| [11:11:00] | Spum: | Which one has on-board encoding and decoding |
| [11:11:00] | Kelerion: | juski: you use windows too right? have you had any problems with firefox locking up for about 20 seconds on a very regular basis? (like every few minutes) |
| [11:11:00] | Spum: | Kelerion: Which version |
| [11:11:00] | Kelerion: | 1.5 at the moment |
| [11:12:00] | juski: | Kelerion: (blushes).. yes.. and no I don't get the locking up |
| [11:12:00] | Spum: | :-O |
| [11:12:00] | juski: | also on 1.5 |
| [11:12:00] | Spum: | Bad! |
| [11:12:00] | Spum: | Ahh, well |
| [11:12:00] | juski: | Spum: you can't run Sony Vegas in Linux |
| [11:12:00] | Spum: | Vega? |
| [11:12:00] | Kelerion: | I'm more productive work-wise under windows.. so sue me.. lol |
| [11:12:00] | Spum: | Heh, i hate windows :-/ |
| [11:12:00] | juski: | Spum: neither the 150 or 500 have mpeg decoders on them |
| [11:13:00] | Kelerion: | I didn't say I liked it.. I'm just more productive |
| [11:13:00] | Spum: | Okay |
| [11:13:00] | Kelerion: | and I use whatever I need to to get my work done |
| [11:13:00] | juski: | I hate windows too, but love my sony vegas.. add the fact that nothing OSS even comes close to it & you see my argument ;) |
| [11:13:00] | Spum: | is there a card that; Has a remote, has onboard encoding/decoding, and is supported |
| [11:13:00] | Spum: | "sony vegas" ? |
| [11:14:00] | Kelerion: | sony vegas is a video editing suite |
| [11:14:00] | Spum: | Ahh, yeah |
| [11:14:00] | Spum: | I'm with you on that one then |
| [11:14:00] | Spum: | Can't hold a torch on the linux front, unfortunately |
| [11:14:00] | juski: | Spum: PVR350.. but it's a waste of space if you have a recent video card & a reasonable CPU |
| [11:15:00] | Spum: | Well, i would prefer t hat |
| [11:15:00] | Spum: | that* |
| [11:15:00] | juski: | reasonable as in > 600Mhz |
| [11:16:00] | Spum: | heh |
| [11:16:00] | Spum: | This one is dual xeon :-/ |
| [11:16:00] | juski: | and the pvr350 only has one tuner/mpeg encoder, unlike the pVR500 |
| [11:16:00] | Spum: | I forgot the name, but it's the new AMD CPU |
| [11:17:00] | juski: | dualcore 64 bit effort? nice |
| [11:17:00] | Spum: | yeah |
| [11:17:00] | Spum: | I have too much money :-P |
| [11:17:00] | juski: | so you won't be needing the mpeg decoder the 350 card has then |
| [11:17:00] | Spum: | Hmm |
| [11:17:00] | Spum: | Still, i want it |
| [11:17:00] | Spum: | :-) |
| [11:18:00] | juski: | if you're short of PCI slots (too many boards now only have 3 ffs) you'd be better off with a pvr500 I reckon |
| [11:18:00] | Kelerion: | I don't have too much money – but I'm really good at justifying to myself whatever I spend on my computer stuff |
| [11:18:00] | Spum: | What's the pvr500 good for? |
| [11:18:00] | Spum: | Just sheer brute force? |
| [11:19:00] | juski: | well you'd be able to record off the sky box and terrestrial analogue at the same time |
| [11:19:00] | juski: | on one card |
| [11:19:00] | _willcooke_: | Kelerion, I have that firefox problem at work. Looks like it hangs while doing dns lookups |
| [11:19:00] | Kelerion: | the 500 is to tuners in one card.. like having two pvr250's on one card |
| [11:19:00] | Spum: | ahh |
| [11:19:00] | juski: | 2 tuners.. 2 mpeg encoders |
| [11:19:00] | juski: | pvr150 is the single tuner/encoder version |
| [11:20:00] | Kelerion: | _willcooke_.. hmmm ... thats wierd |
| [11:20:00] | juski: | can't find 250s in the UK for love nor money now... going for stupid prices on Ebay (think £60+) |
| [11:20:00] | Spum: | :-( |
| [11:20:00] | _willcooke_: | Kelerion, I was looking to fix it last Friday, but I went home for 2 weeks holiday instead! arf arf arf |
| [11:20:00] | Kelerion: | mine is freezing even when a page is fully downloaded and I'm trying to scroll down to keep reading |
| [11:21:00] | _willcooke_: | Kelerion, yeah, I get that too |
| [11:21:00] | Spum: | Kelerion: Win or Linux |
| [11:21:00] | Spum: | Source or Binary |
| [11:21:00] | Kelerion: | willcooke – how were you planning on addressing it? |
| [11:21:00] | _willcooke_: | Juski, what font size are you using for "small" |
| [11:21:00] | _willcooke_: | Kelerion, google ;) |
| [11:22:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: dunno |
| [11:22:00] | Kelerion: | lol |
| [11:22:00] | juski: | different sizes for different things |
| [11:22:00] | juski: | no smaller than 12pt as far as I can remember |
| [11:24:00] | juski: | here's a question: can you use includes in mythtv's theme xml files? |
| [11:24:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [11:24:00] | Spum: | If you dont tell me what you're using, i can't help you Kelerion |
| [11:24:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, I've tried it on 10, and I still get a bit of overrun, a la.....http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled5rm.png |
| [11:24:00] | Spum: | It's like saying in a doctors "HELP! I'm ill!" |
| [11:24:00] | Spum: | "Yeah, but what are your symptoms?" |
| [11:25:00] | Spum: | "IM ILL!!!!" |
| [11:25:00] | Spum: | "Yeah, but what are your symptoms?" |
| [11:25:00] | Spum: | "i'm ill." |
| [11:25:00] | Merlin83b: | Woo, mythweb's back up and running :> |
| [11:26:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: that screengrab tells me you're not running in a 16:9 video mode |
| [11:27:00] | _willcooke_: | It's vnc'd if that makes any difference? If not, then... ? |
| [11:27:00] | Kelerion: | willcooke: do you have ms antispyware installed at work? |
| [11:27:00] | juski: | and btw.. changing the font size in mythtv doesn't affect most themes' menu text |
| [11:27:00] | juski: | I'll look at that at lunchytime, k |
| [11:28:00] | _willcooke_: | Juski, ahh I think I know whats going on... isn't widescreen still 720 x 576, then just flagged as widescreen on the telly to make it stretch, remember I'm using vga to scart |
| [11:28:00] | _willcooke_: | Juski, no worries, i'll fiddle with it |
| [11:28:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: yeah |
| [11:29:00] | juski: | I'm gonna do an amorphic version of the theme |
| [11:29:00] | juski: | line 40 of theme.xml is where I set the menu text to be 21 point |
| [11:29:00] | juski: | so dink that down a tad & it should be okay ;) |
| [11:30:00] | _willcooke_: | so, my screen res is 720x576 and then the display size is set to 400 by 225 |
| [11:30:00] | _willcooke_: | cheers juski, I'll look at the xml |
| [11:30:00] | Spum: | Heh |
| [11:30:00] | Spum: | Can you set the resolution above 640x480? |
| [11:31:00] | juski: | course you can |
| [11:31:00] | Spum: | what's the max you can push terrestrial TV to |
| [11:31:00] | juski: | but mythtv scales its graphics etc based on base sizes of 800x600 for 4:3 themes and 1280x720 for 16:9 themes |
| [11:31:00] | juski: | Spum: PAL TV is 720x576.. no point going past that |
| [11:32:00] | Kelerion: | willcooke_ I think I've fixed the problem in firefox :P |
| [11:32:00] | juski: | some sat/cable channels are only 504x576 |
| [11:33:00] | Spum: | hmm |
| [11:33:00] | juski: | oh, and when sky start their hd service, no getting that intoo mythtv |
| [11:33:00] | Spum: | Thing is, i'm trying to make a minescule MythTV player |
| [11:33:00] | juski: | *into.. damn keyboard |
| [11:33:00] | Spum: | that looks like a digibox, not like a computer |
| [11:34:00] | Kelerion: | why no getting that into myth? |
| [11:34:00] | juski: | Kelerion: no means of capturing HDMI |
| [11:34:00] | juski: | and below that, no means of capturing component either |
| [11:34:00] | Spum: | Oh yeah |
| [11:34:00] | Spum: | does mythTV support HDTV and all that |
| [11:35:00] | juski: | Spum: yeh but it won't with Sky.. they're gonna be locking it down pretty heavily (HDCP etc) |
| [11:35:00] | Spum: | they're broadcasting HDTV sometime this year aren't they |
| [11:35:00] | juski: | and terrestrial HDTV is just a pipedream right now |
| [11:36:00] | ** _willcooke_ takes the dog out ** | |
| [11:36:00] | juski: | so they say.. and a lot of plasma/LCD owners are in for a shock when the 2nd generation HD sky boxes come out.. :-D |
| [11:36:00] | Spum: | heh |
| [11:36:00] | dasOp: | they're doing dvb-t hd tests here in .se right now |
| [11:36:00] | Spum: | most plasma boxes dont support HDTV here |
| [11:36:00] | juski: | what? it doesn't work! wahhhh! |
| [11:36:00] | Spum: | Blu-ray any day |
| [11:36:00] | Spum: | :-D |
| [11:36:00] | dasOp: | altho actual chans are dvb-c or dvb-s |
| [11:37:00] | juski: | "whatdya mean no HDCP? what does that mean?" |
| [11:37:00] | juski: | I'll laugh my arse off when that happens.. suckers |
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| [11:37:00] | Spum: | http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http . . . %3D%26sa%3DN |
| [11:37:00] | Spum: | That looks nice |
| [11:38:00] | juski: | anyway it looks likely UK HDTV will be based on MPEG4 or h.264. Good luck decoding that on your 3GHz CPU |
| [11:38:00] | Spum: | Hmm, does mythTV support the sky-like thing, where you can scroll through programs whilst watching them |
| [11:38:00] | Spum: | you know, the little blue box in the bottom-center |
| [11:39:00] | juski: | Spum: EPG over live tv? yeah it's called browse mode |
| [11:39:00] | Spum: | yeah thats it |
| [11:39:00] | juski: | or you can go into the full programme guide & have a little video window at the top right |
| [11:40:00] | Spum: | Wow, this theme is quality; http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/ |
| [11:41:00] | juski: | spiffy, but not finished |
| [11:41:00] | Spum: | Not finished? |
| [11:41:00] | juski: | wait til you see my next one |
| [11:41:00] | Merlin83b: | Next? |
| [11:41:00] | Merlin83b: | Oh, I tried retro but didn't really like it. |
| [11:42:00] | juski: | oh yes. my _next_ theme.. working on it in dribs & drabs |
| [11:42:00] | Spum: | :-) |
| [11:42:00] | Merlin83b: | I'll carry on with http://www.fotoniq.nl/projects/mythtv/ for now. |
| [11:42:00] | Spum: | the nuvola theme looks great |
| [11:42:00] | Merlin83b: | I haven't tried Prject Grayhem yet. |
| [11:43:00] | ** juski is sick of his theme now ** | |
| [11:43:00] | Spum: | seems that MythTV works in Japan as well |
| [11:45:00] | juski: | heh.. the Japanese have been able to buy amazing stuff that just works out of the box for ages though |
| [11:46:00] | Spum: | Heh :-) |
| [11:46:00] | Spum: | So all this high tech stuff is great, but there's a catch. The tuner card that receives the signal from the TV station and lets the computer write it, in its transmitted form to the hard disk will be illegal to make or import after June of this year, 2005. |
| [11:46:00] | Spum: | What a bummer |
| [11:47:00] | Spum: | Oh yeah |
| [11:47:00] | Spum: | http://www.martinm-76.dk/mythtv/mythweb-bigicons1.jpg <-- can you get the network logos in normal MythTV? |
| [11:47:00] | juski: | yes |
| [11:47:00] | juski: | it's all in the FM |
| [11:47:00] | Spum: | FM? |
| [11:48:00] | juski: | as in RTFM ;) |
| [11:48:00] | Merlin83b: | As in RTFM. |
| [11:48:00] | Spum: | ? |
| [11:48:00] | Spum: | What is RTFM? |
| [11:49:00] | juski: | google it ;) |
| [11:50:00] | Spum: | heh |
| [11:50:00] | juski: | basically Spum, mythtv can do everything yer Sky+ box does except charge you just for having it |
| [11:50:00] | Spum: | read the fucking manual |
| [11:50:00] | Spum: | Sky+ doesnt do that |
| [11:50:00] | Spum: | thats why i "fucking" mentioned it |
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| [11:53:00] | juski: | Sky+ doesn't have icons for the channels? oh dear.. |
| [11:54:00] | juski: | suppose it doesn't need to though |
| [11:54:00] | juski: | Spum: another thing you can do with mythtv... schedule yer recordings from t'internet |
| [11:55:00] | juski: | and stream recordings if you have a fast enough connection |
| [11:56:00] | Spum: | stream recordings? |
| [11:57:00] | Spum: | from where |
| [11:57:00] | juski: | from wherever |
| [11:57:00] | Spum: | so, to watch TV through MythTV, you need an internet connection? |
| [11:58:00] | juski: | no |
| [11:58:00] | juski: | oh wait.. yes |
| [11:58:00] | juski: | mythtv gets the program guide data from the internet |
| [11:58:00] | Kelerion: | or eit |
| [11:58:00] | juski: | but you don't need the internet to be able to watch stuff you've recorded |
| [11:59:00] | Spum: | So, does it cache the program guide data? |
| [11:59:00] | Spum: | and for how many days in advance does it get the data..? |
| [11:59:00] | juski: | Spum: you've got up to 14 days worth |
| [11:59:00] | Spum: | sweet |
| [11:59:00] | juski: | updated every day, or less often if you like |
| [12:00:00] | juski: | doesn't catch schedule changes like when the sport overruns by 10 hours or something.. that's the one thing the Freeview EPG has over tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [12:01:00] | Spum: | heh, yeah |
| [12:01:00] | ** jnewbigin solves one problem only to find a new one ** | |
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| [12:02:00] | juski: | another thing to be careful of is recording stuff that's split in two halves by news.. dunno if sky plus catches those kind of things though |
| [12:02:00] | Spum: | Ebay prices are a joke |
| [12:02:00] | Spum: | £149 for one |
| [12:02:00] | jnewbigin: | I finally set up .asoundrc which fixed most my audio issues, and now I can watch HD. But... now I am getting tearing :( |
| [12:02:00] | juski: | Spum: there's about a dozen born every minute ;) |
| [12:03:00] | ** juski sold his old VHS deck for £60 on Ebay a while back.. five year old thing.. sixty quid! ** | |
| [12:03:00] | Spum: | Heh, i'm not buying that shit :-P |
| [12:04:00] | juski: | needed new heads too, but I didn't say that :-D |
| [12:04:00] | juski: | still got positive feedback though :-/ |
| [12:04:00] | Merlin83b: | Oh yeah, I really should get tv_grab_dvb going. I only have 1 day of EPG data left which isn't much use. |
| [12:05:00] | Spum: | dvb? |
| [12:05:00] | Merlin83b: | Digital TV. |
| [12:06:00] | Merlin83b: | DVB-T aka freeview in my case. |
| [12:06:00] | Spum: | ahh |
| [12:06:00] | Spum: | Freeview :-P |
| [12:07:00] | Spum: | £102.21 |
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| [12:07:00] | Spum: | For a PVR350 |
| [12:08:00] | juski: | Spum: try www.scan.co.uk |
| [12:08:00] | juski: | they've got the best UK price for most PVR cards |
| [12:09:00] | Spum: | Ooh, apparently |
| [12:09:00] | Spum: | there's a 500 with remote control |
| [12:09:00] | Spum: | yeah, it has! |
| [12:09:00] | Spum: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=319320 |
| [12:09:00] | ** Spum sees .asp ** | |
| [12:09:00] | ** Spum spits ** | |
| [12:10:00] | juski: | so windows based webadmins are cheap ;) |
| [12:10:00] | Spum: | Yep |
| [12:10:00] | Spum: | And stupid ;-) |
| [12:11:00] | Spum: | "Hey, why use encrypted passwords when flatfile unencrypted will do" |
| [12:12:00] | juski: | Spum: the remote pictured there is the M$ MCE remote.. the IR receiver doesn't plug into the tuner card – it's USB |
| [12:12:00] | Spum: | :-( |
| [12:13:00] | juski: | I'm guessing you won't wanna have 'Microsoft' tatooed on yer remote ;) |
| [12:13:00] | Spum: | :-( hell noes |
| [12:15:00] | Spum: | £99 is the cheapest |
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| [12:17:00] | Spum: | http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . v=2#infoarea |
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| [12:23:00] | juski: | omg... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/17/kent_killer_not_killer/ |
| [12:23:00] | laga: | hi juski |
| [12:25:00] | juski: | hiya laga.. how's things? |
| [12:26:00] | Spum: | :-O |
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| [12:29:00] | juski: | heh.. DAB radio has been outed as being worse than FM (finally) |
| [12:30:00] | laga: | juski: so far, so good. still alive :) and for you? |
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| [12:31:00] | juski: | erm.. not bad.. very cranky today though.. more than usual |
| [12:32:00] | Spum: | http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/38/35583 . . . ng-Fight.htm |
| [12:32:00] | Spum: | "Lion Mutilates 42 Midgets in Cambodian Ring-Fight" |
| [12:32:00] | juski: | woke up too damn early today.. so did some theme ediiting.. rolled 1.2 out at 7am |
| [12:33:00] | juski: | Spum: stranger than fiction |
| [12:33:00] | confusi0n: | hi |
| [12:34:00] | juski: | hey now |
| [12:34:00] | confusi0n: | its phone the bank day today |
| [12:34:00] | confusi0n: | wish me luck |
| [12:34:00] | Spum: | juski, it's fake |
| [12:34:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [12:35:00] | Spum: | Cambodian Midget Fighting League :-P |
| [12:35:00] | juski: | CMFL? |
| [12:36:00] | juski: | wossat? |
| [12:36:00] | laga: | juski: hehe |
| [12:36:00] | Spum: | guess :-P |
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| [12:36:00] | Spum: | http://cmfl.wordpress.com/ |
| [12:37:00] | juski: | shit! not work safe |
| [12:37:00] | Spum: | :-P |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | still dont get it |
| [12:38:00] | Spum: | It's a joke |
| [12:38:00] | Spum: | Midgets fight a lion |
| [12:38:00] | Spum: | it's madness |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | never mind.. |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | not with it today |
| [12:40:00] | Spum: | :-) |
| [12:41:00] | Spum: | http://lionvs40midgets.uk-directory.com/ |
| [12:41:00] | Spum: | there |
| [12:41:00] | Spum: | read |
| [12:43:00] | juski: | hmm |
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| [12:46:00] | _willcooke_: | Juski, the fine black lines in the pictures (the speaker, the camera etc) make my TV squeel. Sorry dude, I can't use it. :( |
| [12:48:00] | Spum: | Japan's second-largest tourist agency was mystified when it entered English-speaking markets and began receiving requests for unusual sex tours. Upon finding out why, the owners of Kinki Nippon Tourist Company changed its name |
| [12:48:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: oops |
| [12:49:00] | juski: | don't apologise – I've been within an inch of stopping all work on it anyway – can't stand the look of it anymore myself |
| [12:50:00] | _willcooke_: | I expect it's the modeline I'm using (50.1hz) |
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| [12:50:00] | juski: | or you could just soften the watermarks in the GIMP |
| [12:50:00] | _willcooke_: | The best thing about it is the TV guide, it's actually viewable, some of the others I have to squint at |
| [12:50:00] | juski: | they're supposed to be anti-aliassed anyway |
| [12:50:00] | GregM: | Hi has anyoen successfully used one of these ? DViCO FusionHDTV DVB-T Plus |
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| [12:51:00] | juski: | has anyone had an answer when they asked a metaquestion? |
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| [12:51:00] | GregM: | yes |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | that'll be the first ever time, then ;) |
| [12:52:00] | GregM: | :P |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | and hopefully the last time |
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| [12:52:00] | laga: | meta questions deserve nothing but disdain |
| [12:54:00] | juski: | gonna try doing some work – see if I feel any better |
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| [13:01:00] | sona: | I'm using mythtv 18.1 with a nova-t and all my tv-shows's time is 2hours wrong, I'm not using xmltv, any clues why it's so ? |
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| [13:05:00] | [Elvis]: | is there anyone here having a weird line on the bottom of tv-input...or a kinda vague right side? and if you do....could it be the tuner settings ? |
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| [13:21:00] | [Elvis]: | can you guys tell me what kind of remotes you ues? |
| [13:25:00] | [Elvis]: | is anyone using the remote which came with a PVR card? |
| [13:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a Niveus RF+Universal IR remote, and some Philips regular universal learning IR remote trained to IR keyboard codes |
| [13:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | My PVR 250 remotes are still in the boxes |
| [13:27:00] | [Elvis]: | you think they're crap? |
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| [13:27:00] | [Elvis]: | the microsoft ones? |
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| [13:27:00] | Kelerion: | I'm using a twinhan remote (usbhid) from one of my dvb cards.. and a kameleon 10 in 1 (urc9960) |
| [13:27:00] | Spum: | Microsoft is the best! |
| [13:27:00] | Spum: | Hurray for Patenting breath |
| [13:28:00] | [Elvis]: | well |
| [13:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Microsoft what ? |
| [13:28:00] | [Elvis]: | they don't look too bad |
| [13:28:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | My PVR ares are in the boxes as the machine with my PVR cards is in my basement in a closet :) |
| [13:28:00] | [Elvis]: | Microsoft Remote Control voor Windows MCE |
| [13:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know anything about them :) |
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| [13:29:00] | Kelerion: | and my backend is in my kithen! (in a closet!) lol |
| [13:29:00] | [Elvis]: | http://www.informatique.nl/pic500/412099.jpg |
| [13:30:00] | Kelerion: | Greyfoxx.. did you hear me mention I was having a problem with firefox under windows? |
| [13:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: Nopew |
| [13:31:00] | Kelerion: | every few minutes it would freeze for about 20 seconds.. then all was normal.. then it'd happen again |
| [13:31:00] | Kelerion: | you'll *never* guess what the problem was |
| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Looks nice enough, Though personally I wont consider a remote that I can't also use to control other devices. Or does that one also allow you to control a TV/Receiver/DVD player etc ? |
| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | No idea |
| [13:32:00] | Kelerion: | apparently theres a bug in firefox when your using a HT processor.. |
| [13:32:00] | [Elvis]: | don't think so GreyFoxx but I got other remote devices to do that for me :P |
| [13:32:00] | Kelerion: | run it in, for example, a win98 compatibility mode.. and all is fine |
| [13:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Cool. I've just a big fan of not carrying around 10 remotes :) |
| [13:32:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:33:00] | [Elvis]: | well if I buy that one..it would only make it 4... |
| [13:33:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:33:00] | [Elvis]: | correction 5 |
| [13:33:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:33:00] | [Elvis]: | but the site says it's for windows 2005 only |
| [13:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | As it is now, in my main room I have 1 remote that controls everything and all of the others are on the entertainment unit incase I loose that one :) |
| [13:34:00] | [Elvis]: | but I guess that's a lot of crap? |
| [13:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: That just means they only provide drivers for 2005 |
| [13:34:00] | juski: | I use just the one reemote.. one for my TV, one for mythtv, one for cable, one for my surround amp |
| [13:34:00] | Kelerion: | my kameleon controls everything if my room, sat box, amp, myth, dvd, tv |
| [13:34:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm so greyfoxx ...you think I can find drivers for it? |
| [13:35:00] | [Elvis]: | isn't it like there's 1 drivers for all those remote shit |
| [13:35:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was looking a tthe Harmony remotes last night when I was at a store. They look nice enough but I didn't have time to look a tthe feature set |
| [13:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: No idea, I would be suprised if there wasn't an lirc driver for it, but it's up to you to find out and roll the dice |
| [13:35:00] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx: thats what I'm after.. |
| [13:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's not my money after all |
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| [13:36:00] | Kelerion: | Jarod was saying he has one and he loves the fact you can customise the display.. on his he actually has a menu item called "MythTV".. |
| [13:36:00] | [Elvis]: | Kelerion I've also seen this remote..so lovely |
| [13:36:00] | [Elvis]: | only 500 dollar |
| [13:36:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:37:00] | [Elvis]: | touchscreen shit and eveeything on it |
| [13:37:00] | [Elvis]: | :) |
| [13:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool. It's not a colour display on those is it? It would be nifty if you could upload custom icons/graphics to appear |
| [13:37:00] | Kelerion: | you can get a color one I think |
| [13:37:00] | [Elvis]: | I believe it is |
| [13:37:00] | juski: | the 880 is colour I think.. costs a load of money though |
| [13:37:00] | Kelerion: | http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . acturer_id=0 |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | but not as much as a colour proonto ;) |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | *pronto |
| [13:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I saw a 628 and a 688, but not the 800 |
| [13:38:00] | Kelerion: | 150 quid is *just* about justifiable |
| [13:38:00] | juski: | fsking keyboard.. grr |
| [13:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | the 688 is already more than I'd wanna pay anyway :) |
| [13:38:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm so I have to take the gamble of ordering a remote...which potentiolly could be crap and unsupported |
| [13:38:00] | [Elvis]: | nice prospects |
| [13:38:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:39:00] | juski: | ATI remote wonders are supported, as are the MCE remotes |
| [13:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | My Niveus and the ATI Remote Wonders are both variations on the same base design |
| [13:40:00] | Kelerion: | a grand for a remote is *not* however justifiable.. lol |
| [13:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Except the remote wonders I looked at don't have the IR stuff |
| [13:41:00] | juski: | maybe for a TV a grand is justifiable ;) |
| [13:41:00] | juski: | not for the zapper though :-/ |
| [13:41:00] | Spum: | :-O |
| [13:41:00] | Kelerion: | thats what I paid for my tv yeah.. lol |
| [13:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I can get off the couch and push a button for $1000 :) |
| [13:41:00] | [Elvis]: | juski the mce's are? |
| [13:41:00] | ** _willcooke_ bought his telly from Aldi. For shame.... ** | |
| [13:42:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: shame would be buying an Aldi PC ;) |
| [13:42:00] | Kelerion: | kwiksave are doing 28" widescreens for about 80 quid I saw the other day |
| [13:43:00] | _willcooke_: | 80 quid!?! That's very good |
| [13:43:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [13:43:00] | [Elvis]: | so is it also an option to just by a receiver and use a television remote? |
| [13:43:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, Did you see that one they had advertised with about 8 tv tuners in it |
| [13:43:00] | juski: | yeh.. none of them supported by Linux |
| [13:43:00] | _willcooke_: | :( |
| [13:44:00] | Spum: | aww |
| [13:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Sure, or just make one. It's like $15 in Radio shack parts and 15 minutes of your time |
| [13:44:00] | [Elvis]: | are they the same quality? |
| [13:44:00] | [Elvis]: | and on what port do you connect them? |
| [13:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Depends on what you buy, some are serial, and some are usb |
| [13:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | the ones I've made have been serial |
| [13:45:00] | [Elvis]: | I mean self made |
| [13:45:00] | [Elvis]: | the problem is...I wanna put the box in another room |
| [13:45:00] | [Elvis]: | so I'm wondering how to get the remote signal there.. |
| [13:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can buy IR extenders |
| [13:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | It picks it up in one room and transmits it to another room |
| [13:46:00] | [Elvis]: | do they need line of sight? |
| [13:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Again, a product you can get from Radioshack |
| [13:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [13:46:00] | [Elvis]: | so they can go through walls? :P |
| [13:46:00] | Kelerion: | there's still a bug in svn when you ESC out of recorded programs |
| [13:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | the unit picks up the IR from the remote, sends and RF signal to the other unit which duplicates the IR signal in the other room |
| [13:47:00] | Kelerion: | it kills the gui but the process is still there |
| [13:47:00] | [Elvis]: | GreyFoxx they send it in another format? |
| [13:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: It has something to do with the Preview Generator, I have no idea about the status of it. |
| [13:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: How else do you plan to send IR when you don't have line of sight ?:) |
| [13:47:00] | [Elvis]: | :p; |
| [13:48:00] | Kelerion: | I saw some commits last night about the preview generation code.. I wonder if it's worth doing another svn update |
| [13:48:00] | [Elvis]: | through a wire GreyFoxx :P |
| [13:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: I planned to update this afternoon and try it out tonight. I've seen the same problem a few tims |
| [13:48:00] | Kelerion: | okies – I'll give it a shot.. |
| [13:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: You get much more distance using the Rf extenders |
| [13:49:00] | [Elvis]: | so what price class should I be thinking off? |
| [13:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* |
| [13:49:00] | [Elvis]: | ;p; |
| [13:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I never really looked at the cost of them |
| [13:49:00] | [Elvis]: | prolly expensive |
| [13:49:00] | juski: | depends |
| [13:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't think they would be more than $60CDN, but your local pricing can vary |
| [13:50:00] | juski: | you can get those wireless video sender jobbies which relay IR signals for about £50 |
| [13:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | $26.99 US on radioshacks sight |
| [13:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | site even |
| [13:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | $100 for the Video and IR senders |
| [13:51:00] | [Elvis]: | they send the video also? |
| [13:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | There have been RF a/v sender/receiver sets out for years |
| [13:52:00] | [Elvis]: | I also still have to find something to transform s-video to tuner.... |
| [13:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Pardon ? |
| [13:52:00] | Kelerion: | compiling |
| [13:52:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [13:52:00] | [Elvis]: | was that so weird?: |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | be warned.. wireless video senders tend to be pretty shitty |
| [13:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm unclear on exactly what you want to do |
| [13:53:00] | [Elvis]: | transform my s-video out back to tuner cable |
| [13:53:00] | [Elvis]: | if that's what you call it? tuner cable? |
| [13:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I've seen several crappy ones, poor range, dropouts, colour waves |
| [13:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Coaxial cable ? |
| [13:53:00] | Kelerion: | svideo-coax? |
| [13:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Should be able to get an RF Modulator or something to do it |
| [13:54:00] | juski: | they'd call that an RF Modulator |
| [13:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | svideo/composite in, Coax out with the signal on channel 3 or 4 |
| [13:54:00] | juski: | problem with them is they generally can't do stereo audio |
| [13:54:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah that's what I mean GreyFoxx |
| [13:55:00] | juski: | or youcould be a geek & build your own CAT5 video sender-fyer |
| [13:55:00] | [Elvis]: | because I don't wanna change all the wiring |
| [13:55:00] | juski: | ;) |
| [13:55:00] | [Elvis]: | so just wanna put a computer in between coax and caox |
| [13:55:00] | [Elvis]: | coax and coax even |
| [13:56:00] | Spum: | coax and hoax |
| [13:56:00] | Spum: | :-) |
| [13:56:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [13:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I know what guy that has the output of his frontend going into an RF Modulator and the output of it sent over the cable to all the tv's in his house |
| [13:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | so channel 110 or something is myth on all the TV's |
| [13:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | And he uses the same RF remote as me to control it from anyroom |
| [13:57:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah that's what I need |
| [13:57:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [13:57:00] | juski: | you can also get things to relay IR remote signals down a coax cable |
| [13:58:00] | [Elvis]: | huh? |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | yeh.. 2 little boxes.. one goes near your TV & has an IR receiver on it.. you plug one end of the coax into that |
| [13:59:00] | juski: | the other end has an IR transmitter.. that plugs in the other end of the coax |
| [14:00:00] | juski: | and both pass the coax thru on either end so you can still use the cable for TV aswell |
| [14:00:00] | confusi0n: | lvm. good or bad? |
| [14:00:00] | Dibblah: | confusi0n: Yes. |
| [14:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [14:00:00] | [Elvis]: | juski any idea what they're called? |
| [14:00:00] | [Elvis]: | cuz that's ideal |
| [14:00:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [14:00:00] | confusi0n: | yes? what the hell kind of answer is yes? |
| [14:01:00] | Dibblah: | It's good for something, I'm sure. |
| [14:01:00] | juski: | [Elvis].. something like multi-room remote extenders.. :-/ |
| [14:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | It means it's not a yes or no answer. |
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| [14:01:00] | juski: | [Elvis]: any audio/visual shop folks should know by my description |
| [14:02:00] | [Elvis]: | googlin now :p |
| [14:02:00] | juski: | unless the guys you have are as bad as the ones we have here... |
| [14:02:00] | juski: | (brainless morons) |
| [14:03:00] | Spum: | where :-P |
| [14:03:00] | Dibblah: | Everywhere. It's on the salesdrone job requirements. |
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| [14:04:00] | [Elvis]: | http://cache.smarthome.com/images/8195.jpg |
| [14:04:00] | [Elvis]: | wonder what the pricing is |
| [14:04:00] | juski: | Spum: you're not a Dixons/Currys/Comet droid are you? ;) |
| [14:05:00] | confusi0n: | does tdlp.org even _exist_ anymore? |
| [14:05:00] | Dibblah: | Uhuh. Like one of them would be on da intarweb. |
| [14:05:00] | juski: | if so I'll keep my distance.. could end up with an extended warranty I'll never need.. |
| [14:05:00] | laga: | confusi0n: tldp.org |
| [14:05:00] | _willcooke_: | gah! I've been chasing a bug in my "move files" script all bleedin day, I've finally found it! When you're doing a mysql command in python you don't need quotes around the %s, it puts them in buy itself. So all day I've been searching for ' ""<name>"" ' instead of ' "<name>" ' . argh! |
| [14:06:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: Do you use tv_grab_dvb? |
| [14:06:00] | ** Dibblah ** | |
| [14:06:00] | juski: | Merlin83b: used to |
| [14:07:00] | Merlin83b: | Where do you get your guide data from now? |
| [14:07:00] | juski: | I'll no doubt use it again when I resume fiddling with SVN on my spare machine |
| [14:07:00] | juski: | tv_grab_uk_rt ;) |
| [14:07:00] | confusi0n: | sorry, tldp.org even |
| [14:07:00] | confusi0n: | i havn't been able to get to it for months now |
| [14:07:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: One thing to be wary of, apparently it puts program subtitle in the description in the form subtitle:description. |
| [14:08:00] | Merlin83b: | So episode matching is ballsed :< |
| [14:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: or you can try out the EIT patches I put in SVN and see how they help your load :) |
| [14:08:00] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: Ooh, new things? What revision? |
| [14:08:00] | juski: | Merlin83b: I've gone off using the xmltv grabber – it inserts the channels into mythtv... and I don't want it to do that |
| [14:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: I put in several patches yesterday that should apply to at least 8612 |
| [14:08:00] | juski: | GreyFoxx: spot on! I'll be rolling me up one of them |
| [14:08:00] | Merlin83b: | Yeah, I didn't really want that but I put the xmltvid stuff in manually and it's not too bad now. |
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| [14:09:00] | juski: | so does that mean it'll make it into 0.19? |
| [14:09:00] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: So they're not actually in SVN yet? |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | gah... patches != commits |
| [14:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: No, currently they are slated for after it |
| [14:10:00] | Merlin83b: | I know patches != commits but wanted to be sure. |
| [14:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Normally I would just commit my patches, but the DVB section is Daniels territory so I'm just sending patches for now |
| [14:10:00] | Merlin83b: | "the EIT patches I put in SVN..." had me wondering though. |
| [14:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: Sorry, my bank I should have said trac |
| [14:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | err bank/bad |
| [14:10:00] | Merlin83b: | K, makes sense. |
| [14:11:00] | Merlin83b: | And idea when they might make it into SVN? How is Daniel at getting them into there? |
| [14:11:00] | ** juski mutters something about stuff needing testing ** | |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well, he changed the milestone on them to 0.20 so they wont likely be in there pre0.19 |
| [14:11:00] | Merlin83b: | Right. |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | but people can still use them if they like |
| [14:11:00] | juski: | very true |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been running them for the last couple weeks |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | made a big difference |
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| [14:12:00] | juski: | oo actually... since it won't affect the frontend, when 0.19 is released I could just build a one-off for that :) |
| [14:12:00] | Merlin83b: | In that case, I'll gladly give them a whirl. |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | Merlin83b: my 800mhz box was dead happy when EIT wasn't grabbing data |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | which wasn't very often |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | until then it was prebuffering pauses every 2 or 3 secs |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | the eit patches brought the load on my p3 640 from 50–70% down to an average of 11%. |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | But ymmv |
| [14:13:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: Compile as of this morning is running LiveTV at 40% or so. |
| [14:14:00] | Merlin83b: | And still hitting the prebuffering pauses. |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | Merlin83b: the EIT patch should lower the usage on the backend though – leaving more spare for the frontend process |
| [14:14:00] | Merlin83b: | Backend happily sits at low usage. |
| [14:14:00] | [Elvis]: | yo use a 640 greyfoxx? |
| [14:15:00] | ivor: | what does the patch do? just run the eit less often? or change the regexp stuff? |
| [14:15:00] | Merlin83b: | LiveTV, backend is sitting at <5% at the moment. |
| [14:15:00] | ivor: | (excuse – at work don't have code or time to look) :) |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/eitload.png Before and after the patches |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Typo, a 650 |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | One of my dev boxes |
| [14:16:00] | Merlin83b: | Nice. |
| [14:16:00] | [Elvis]: | ah I thought you mythtv |
| [14:16:00] | Merlin83b: | Load is sitting at >2 on my Epia right now while it's displaying LiveTV. |
| [14:16:00] | [Elvis]: | since I'm running on 800 :p |
| [14:16:00] | [Elvis]: | wondering if it's capale enough |
| [14:16:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: It's a slavebackend/dev machine for playing around |
| [14:16:00] | [Elvis]: | capable |
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| [14:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | For a backend it would be fine, for a frontend it "should" be ok for sdtv but you are getting a little low :) |
| [14:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've used the 650 as a frontend, so your 800 would likely work |
| [14:18:00] | Merlin83b: | I'm getting closer and closer to buying something meatier to use as a combined FE/BE next to my TV. I really want the little Epia to do it but it's just not :-( |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | Merlin83b: tried using xine to play back a DVD? should get no more than 20% CPU when using XVMC |
| [14:19:00] | Merlin83b: | No DVD drive. |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | try getting xine to play back a previous recording then ;) |
| [14:19:00] | [Elvis]: | greyfoxx I use it combined frontend backend |
| [14:19:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [14:20:00] | Merlin83b: | Playing back recordings has been working fine, it's just LiveTV that seems to cause the problem. |
| [14:20:00] | juski: | using xvmc on EPIA shouldn't result in 40% CPU usage |
| [14:20:00] | Merlin83b: | Yeah, but it is doing :-( XvMC is definitely going – FE output and X logs say so. |
| [14:21:00] | juski: | maybe the rest of linux needs to be optimised to your CPU... |
| [14:21:00] | juski: | can't see that being the case though.. just a shot in the dark |
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| [14:22:00] | _willcooke_: | Would MTRR have anything do with that? |
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| [14:23:00] | juski: | don't even know what that is... google here I come |
| [14:23:00] | [Elvis]: | do you guys know anyone who has had lines on the bottom of tv-input? and a bit of a distorted side? |
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| [14:24:00] | juski: | [Elvis] I already told you the other day, what's causing that |
| [14:24:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: Could be I suppose, I did think of that this morning. I don't fancy building the lot on the Epia though. I am starting to wonder if it's worth it. |
| [14:24:00] | [Elvis]: | juski? you did? |
| [14:24:00] | juski: | do you want aa little, quiet, pretty box, or do you want a PC? |
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| [14:24:00] | [Elvis]: | you only told me aout overscan? |
| [14:24:00] | juski: | [Elvis]: yep |
| [14:24:00] | juski: | that's the story |
| [14:24:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah but I mean what's the problem ...why am I getting it |
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| [14:25:00] | [Elvis]: | I don't want to solve it with tv-output...just want a clear input :P |
| [14:25:00] | juski: | [Elvis] there's no cure |
| [14:25:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: Little quiet and pretty to sit next to the TV, but primarily it has to work. |
| [14:25:00] | [Elvis]: | weird shit..I mean a tv doesn't have that problem? |
| [14:25:00] | juski: | [Elvis] that's coz TVs overscan by default |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | it's there, you just never see it cos it's outside the screen area |
| [14:26:00] | [Elvis]: | so juski anyway to find out the exact screen resolution and overscan? |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | you judge it with your eyes |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | or use a test DVD |
| [14:27:00] | juski: | use a video mode that's as close to the TV resolution as possible.. 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for PAL |
| [14:28:00] | _willcooke_: | the blur might also be reflection from too much overscan? |
| [14:28:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah still having prolems with the fullscreen too.....I don't get it how windows automatically resizes it to fit the tv-screen exactly |
| [14:28:00] | [Elvis]: | too bad linux doesn't do that |
| [14:29:00] | Spum: | :-) |
| [14:29:00] | juski: | deselect 'use gui size for TV playback' in the appearances settings |
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| [14:29:00] | [Elvis]: | does that solve it? |
| [14:29:00] | _willcooke_: | [Elvis], which vid card? |
| [14:29:00] | [Elvis]: | geforce 2 gts |
| [14:29:00] | [Elvis]: | kinda ols |
| [14:29:00] | [Elvis]: | old |
| [14:29:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [14:29:00] | juski: | this is frustrating cos there's nothing in the mythtv docs |
| [14:30:00] | juski: | [Elvis] get hold of nvtv – you can fine tune the TV out using that |
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| [14:30:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah I got nvtv juski |
| [14:30:00] | _willcooke_: | thats nvidia right? If so, look at the 'nvidia-settings' (I think thats what its called) program, that might let you shift the display about until it's correct |
| [14:31:00] | laga: | i get best results with maximum overscan. you can use mythtv's internal overscan control to make the gui fit the screen then |
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| [14:32:00] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx: that recorded screen problem.. is there a reproducable condition to make it crash you know of? or is it hit and miss? |
| [14:33:00] | Kelerion: | it's ok.. I crashed it |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: As you are exiting a recording, hit escape several times quickly |
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| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's how I've been able to reproduce it |
| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | If I hit Escap eones to exit the recording and wait for the recordings screen to redraw it's fine |
| [14:34:00] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: Do you know where in the code dealing with the DVB EPG data is? |
| [14:34:00] | Kelerion: | latest svn hasn't fixed it.. in case thats why you were going to svn update this afternoon |
| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | if I hitt escape several times before it redrew the screen it would cause the problem |
| [14:34:00] | Merlin83b: | Looking to compare tv_grab_dvb and the mythtv code to see how easy grabbing the subtitle is. |
| [14:34:00] | Kelerion: | yes.. I can get it each time now.. lol |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: It's in several locations actually, the subtitle is already being grabbed I believe |
| [14:35:00] | Merlin83b: | It is in mythtv, but not in tv_grab_dvb. |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Oh |
| [14:35:00] | Merlin83b: | I'd like, as an interim measure, to patch that so I can get the right guide data in now. |
| [14:36:00] | Kelerion: | we're up to protocol 26 now? it's shooting up lately |
| [14:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [14:37:00] | Merlin83b: | Any pointers on which file to look in, GreyFoxx? |
| [14:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: libs/libmythtv/siparser: Event_Subtitle value in SIParser::ProcessShortEventDescriptor and in the EITFixUp routines |
| [14:37:00] | Merlin83b: | Excellent, thank you. |
| [14:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | There re several places it could be processed based on a few things |
| [14:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think the title is split by a : or something |
| [14:39:00] | Merlin83b: | Seems to be – is it just in the desc field then? |
| [14:40:00] | Merlin83b: | Can't see the code splitting on a : anywhere. |
| [14:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | EitFixUpStyle2 does |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Like I said, it could possibly be coming out of several places |
| [14:42:00] | Merlin83b: | Is the subtitle broadcast in its own place though, or is it derived by splitting on a colon? |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think it's amandated part of the spec |
| [14:44:00] | Merlin83b: | SIParser::ProcessShortEventDescriptor is pretty much identical to the code in tv_grab_dvb |
| [14:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking through a couple of docs I have here to see if it's specifically located in there |
| [14:44:00] | Merlin83b: | Except tv_grab_dvb ends up with the full desc and mythtv ends up with the sutitle and the desc :-/ |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, but that assumes that the sort even gets called. a Short event happens "rarely". Normally a longer full event occurs |
| [14:45:00] | Merlin83b: | Oh. |
| [14:46:00] | Merlin83b: | That seems to be the only type tv_grab_dvb deals in. |
| [14:46:00] | Merlin83b: | Guess I'll have to try your patches then. |
| [14:46:00] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx: that confirms it.. if I disable previews.. cant make it crash |
| [14:47:00] | Merlin83b: | trac #1057 GreyFoxx? |
| [14:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | #1057, and #943 |
| [14:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is a ratelimiting patch as well that you can try, but I would try those 2 first |
| [14:49:00] | Merlin83b: | Applied in any particular order? |
| [14:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | shouldn't matter |
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| [14:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hmm, I just assumed we were gathering parent rating info from zap2it and off the EIT info as well |
| [14:57:00] | Kelerion: | not getting it? |
| [14:57:00] | Merlin83b: | Wow, the eitcache patch is taking a long time to apply. |
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| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Definately not processing the parental_rating EIT descriptor, and it doesn't look like we even have a field in the programs table to store it so we likely are just ignoring it from the xmltv/zap23it stuff |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: .... Can you show me the commandline you are using to apply the patch ? |
| [14:58:00] | Merlin83b: | root@myth:~/mythtv/mythtv# patch -p0 eitcache_8612.patch |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [14:58:00] | Merlin83b: | Balls. |
| [14:58:00] | Kelerion: | I have 1534 programratings and about 37,646 programs.. I don't think uk_rt is grabbing them all either |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | patch -p0 < eitcache_8612.patch |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | <GreyFoxx> no |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops didn't mean to quote myself |
| [14:58:00] | Merlin83b: | Oh, d'oh! |
| [14:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: Where are you seeing the program rating ? |
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| [15:00:00] | Merlin83b: | Applies fine to 8633, fyi. |
| [15:00:00] | Kelerion: | programrating table |
| [15:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Duh, ok. I was just looking in "program" |
| [15:00:00] | ** GreyFoxx slaps himself ** | |
| [15:00:00] | Kelerion: | lol |
| [15:01:00] | Kelerion: | why there's a seperate table I have no idea.. it's only storing one field |
| [15:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm, ok, we are pulling the rating info from somewhere. I think rather than process the partental_prating descriptor we are parsing it out of the EIT description |
| [15:02:00] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: Once applied, turn on EIT thingy in mythtv-setup and tell channels to use OTA data, right? |
| [15:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: Yeah. Enable it in your video source and of course the channels you want data for must have useonairguide set |
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| [15:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, I correct myself again. We are NOT processing the parental rating for EIT data at all, I was seeing data from the zap2it channels in my system |
| [15:04:00] | ** GreyFoxx places that on his todo list ** | |
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| [15:08:00] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: Since I'm not at the mythtv box now, I've enabled useonairguide for the channels in the database, any idea where the videosource EIT value is stored in the database? |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm |
| [15:10:00] | Merlin83b: | So I can get it tested/working before I go home :-) |
| [15:10:00] | Merlin83b: | I've had a good poke around in the db and can't find anything which seems to be it to my mind. |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | videosource table, useeit column |
| [15:11:00] | Merlin83b: | Oh yeah. |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | set it to 1 |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | and restart the backend |
| [15:11:00] | Merlin83b: | Yep |
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| [15:14:00] | Merlin83b: | Tsk, the amount of times I've looked at that table and somehow not seen that column. |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:15:00] | sona: | I need to clear all tv-shows+their info in the db, which tables needs to be cleared ? |
| [15:15:00] | Merlin83b: | program, sona |
| [15:15:00] | sona: | only that one ? |
| [15:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | sona: Are you referring only to the program guide or to your list of recorded programs ? |
| [15:17:00] | sona: | My tv-shows are stored with the wrong time so I need to delete them all |
| [15:17:00] | sona: | maybe some timesettings changes which I hope now will give tv-shows their correct time |
| [15:18:00] | sona: | Made* |
| [15:18:00] | Merlin83b: | program then sona. |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yup |
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| [15:31:00] | [Elvis]: | omg...I hate studying |
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| [15:43:00] | _willcooke_: | anyone think of a better way to allow a cgi script to delete recordings other than setting it suid? |
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| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Why not just use mythweb |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | It can talk to the mythbackend over the myth protocol and the backend does the deletion |
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| [15:47:00] | _willcooke_: | mythweb doesnt allow me to move recordings from one backend to another, but.. I might look at the mythweb code and see how it's done |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | why would you move them from one to another ? |
| [15:47:00] | _willcooke_: | :) – it's a long story |
| [15:47:00] | juski: | might also be handy to be able to do a block delete |
| [15:48:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, good idea, i'll stick that in as well |
| [15:48:00] | juski: | took me ages to delete half a disk's worth of Frasier this morning |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yuck, the PArental ratings codes are left up to the broadcaster to define |
| [15:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | so they could vary from place to place |
| [15:49:00] | juski: | depending on the state ;-) |
| [15:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I suppose it makes sense but adds complexity :)_ |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | i know it's possible to copy theme .xml files to ~/.mythtv/ to edit them on a per-user base. can i do the same for osd themes? what kind of directory strcuture woudl i have to use? |
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| [15:50:00] | juski: | is it?! niftee :-) |
| [15:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Hehe I didn't know you could do that :) |
| [15:50:00] | juski: | laga: do you know if you can also use includes in the xml? |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | yep :). but i have to find out what directory structure to use :) |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | juski: i have no clue, sorry. |
| [15:51:00] | juski: | I'll try it when I get a chance then |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: it was you who did the grayosd, right? |
| [15:53:00] | juski: | 'Here I am, brain the size of a planet.. and they get me to make some null-modem cables' :-/ |
| [15:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Yeah |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: nice work :) |
| [15:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | danke |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | If anything it's nice for users to have more choices |
| [15:55:00] | juski: | can there be wide OSDs? |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | I believe they get auto stretched |
| [15:56:00] | juski: | oh yeah.. they change aspect with the video too |
| [15:56:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: well, it wasn't my only intention to tell you that i really like it. i'm also wondering if you could tell me how i can adjust osd.xml files to make the OSD fit my screen. i use overscan and i've adjusted the GUI in mythtv to fit my screen. however, i don't use "use gui size for playback" because i want the overscan to take care of any distortion on the edges. |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | if I play something in 16:9 rather than my default 4:# the OSD is adjusted |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I enver looked into it really |
| [15:56:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: it works well, but the OSD is a little bit off the screen, the edges on the left and on the right get cut |
| [15:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh When I had done it I was very careful to try and stay within the limit of overscan, but I suppose some TV's will do it moreso than mine |
| [15:57:00] | juski: | I think 10% is a good benchmark |
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| [15:57:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yep, i have a lot of overscan. my resolution is 720x576, but only 640x545 are visible |
| [15:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i looked through the osd.xml of blueosd, but i couldn't find a magic setting that would allow me to set the size of the OSD. |
| [15:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well, the OSD is defaulted to myth's default res of 800x600. I assume it's scaling it accordingly to fit your 720x576, but other that I don't think there is a single specific setting for what you want |
| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | there are however several settings for each of the containers and elements :/ |
| [16:00:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yep. it's scaling it to 720x576 and it works fine if i use the "gui size for playback" settings. |
| [16:00:00] | ivor: | yeah I believe OSD coords are relative to 800x600 |
| [16:00:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: oh well, i'll just try your theme and see if it works better for me :) |
| [16:00:00] | Chacabaou: | GreyFoxx: So you can't _easily_ shrink the whole OSD? |
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| [16:01:00] | juski: | 670x547 for mine.. yikes |
| [16:01:00] | ivor: | Chacabaou: well only by editing the osd theme and changing all the values. :) |
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| [16:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chacabaou : No :/ It scales it to the res you are running in but there is not "easy" method for shrinking it further |
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| [16:02:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: But that could be the hell lot of work, right? ;) |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | ivor: which, kind of, sucks. :) |
| [16:02:00] | juski: | laga: that's not much over 5% overscan by my reckoning |
| [16:02:00] | juski: | same for mine |
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| [16:02:00] | ivor: | laga: kind of. :) |
| [16:02:00] | laga: | juski: well, i'm only missing one letter or so in blueosd. |
| [16:03:00] | Chacabaou: | GreyFoxx: Maybe it's possible to manipulate the OSD scaling process in general? |
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| [16:03:00] | ivor: | have to buff up epiaosd again. |
| [16:03:00] | Chacabaou: | ...independant of the OSD theme itself. |
| [16:03:00] | juski: | ' |
| [16:03:00] | juski: | oops |
| [16:03:00] | laga: | another option would be hacking the source to scale the OSD to the size set in the 'appearance' screen. |
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| [16:03:00] | laga: | this looks buggy to me, actually. |
| [16:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chacabaou: Someone could certainly add new "OSD size" settings, just like the cuirrent guix/y settings |
| [16:03:00] | Chacabaou: | laga: Exactly what I said. ;) |
| [16:03:00] | laga: | though it may be the intended behaviour :) |
| [16:04:00] | juski: | laga: if you're gonna do that, put my ideal feature in while you're at it ;) |
| [16:04:00] | laga: | Chacabaou: yeah, but i used the work "hacking" :) |
| [16:04:00] | Chacabaou: | GreyFoxx: Would appreciate that... |
| [16:04:00] | ivor: | well... a properly designed/written osd would only have visible components in the "safe area" taking into overscan |
| [16:04:00] | laga: | juski: gee. i don't know any c++ :) |
| [16:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chacabaou: I'm not interested in doing it, feel free |
| [16:04:00] | ivor: | s/taking into overscan/taking into account overscan/ |
| [16:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I see the value in it, but it's not exactly an itch I have the urge to scratch |
| [16:04:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: Well, that varies...some people might not use overscan for some reason... IMHO, this should be adjustable by the user. |
| [16:05:00] | ** juski needs to write an app to move two triangles around the screen, using C++ and QT (or openGL) ** | |
| [16:05:00] | ivor: | ? if you don't use overscan then everything will be visible. |
| [16:05:00] | laga: | juski: that would rock |
| [16:05:00] | laga: | ivor: overscan is a good thing. |
| [16:05:00] | ivor: | laga: I didn't say any different |
| [16:05:00] | juski: | it can't be _that_ difficult |
| [16:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | ivor: I use full overscan on my boxes and the entire OSD is visible, but each TV/card have different potential overscan values |
| [16:05:00] | laga: | ivor: err, yes. i should learn to read :) |
| [16:05:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: Yeah...but an OSD which takes overscanning into account automagically would not display over the fullscreen, in that situation. |
| [16:06:00] | juski: | if I put somethhing together could I have some help getting the code up to standard, so it can be included? |
| [16:06:00] | ivor: | laga: lol |
| [16:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I agree with Chac: that it should be more in the use5rs control without editing the xml |
| [16:06:00] | ivor: | perhaps. |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | duh – the behaviour Chacabaou and i are describing here, does this happen as well when you are *not* using xvmc and chromakey osd? |
| [16:06:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: You have to consider that some OSDs are using the whole visible width of the screen (like mine). |
| [16:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use eithyer of those :) |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | let's put a feature request into trac then. *hides* |
| [16:07:00] | Chacabaou: | laga: Sure. |
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| [16:07:00] | ivor: | Chacabaou: but that's wrong. |
| [16:07:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: Why? It's just a matter of design. |
| [16:07:00] | ivor: | the OSD is an overlay over the video image.... it should be designed to display over an overscanned picture |
| [16:07:00] | ivor: | and bleed nicely to the edges |
| [16:07:00] | ivor: | like all the stations overlays and graphics do |
| [16:08:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: Then it needs to know _exactly_ how much overscanning is used. That's impossible. |
| [16:08:00] | ivor: | No it doesn't |
| [16:08:00] | laga: | Chacabaou: the author could do some guesstimating. |
| [16:08:00] | ivor: | there's a protocol for what a "safe area" of a video image is |
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| [16:08:00] | Chacabaou: | laga: But that would probably depend on the country or at least on the tv standard. |
| [16:08:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: where can i download your theme? i can't seem to find it. |
| [16:09:00] | ** GreyFoxx thinks myth is too configurable as it is, and some of the options should be merged/removed and the settings pages reorganized ** | |
| [16:09:00] | laga: | Chacabaou: well, 5% is 5%. :) |
| [16:09:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yep. |
| [16:09:00] | ivor: | the idea being "this bit will be off screen", "this bit might be off screen" "this bit will be on screen" |
| [16:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ |
| [16:09:00] | Chacabaou: | ivor: Doesn't that even differ from PAL standard to PAL standard? |
| [16:09:00] | ivor: | very little. |
| [16:09:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: there's a lot of features, but some important stuff is still missing. though i don't remember what made me angry before |
| [16:09:00] | ivor: | the "grey area" generally is wooly enough |
| [16:09:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: thanks a lot! |
| [16:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | missing feature or missing config options ? |
| [16:10:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: well, we should just have an option that would make the OSD scale to the GUI size and leave the video alone. |
| [16:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I agree |
| [16:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrmm |
| [16:11:00] | juski: | I think it'd be _fine_ if the OSD graphics hang over the screen edges |
| [16:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | shouldn't be that hard to implement that |
| [16:11:00] | laga: | juski: the *graphics*. not the content, like statio name or so. |
| [16:12:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: well, i should put a feature request into the Userwishlist at wiki.mythtv.org and hope that someone takes care of it |
| [16:12:00] | juski: | then we just need to make it less of a PiTA to set up ;) that's where my hack.. err code would come in if it ever happens |
| [16:12:00] | laga: | juski: :) |
| [16:13:00] | juski: | last time I programmed a blob to move around the screen it was in 6800 assembler |
| [16:14:00] | laga: | and the option where you can select the OSD theme should be in the 'appearance' menu, dammit. but that's probably just me :) |
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| [16:15:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: you are the man. your OSD is almost perfect. i miss only a few pixels on the left :)) |
| [16:22:00] | simcop2387: | GreyFoxx: how well does mythtv work in vmware |
| [16:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: It actually looks like it would be fairly simple to make the OSD visible area match the gui size |
| [16:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | simcop2387: It's certainly not perfect but it's usable for me |
| [16:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's fine for the rarely used frontend that I use it for |
| [16:24:00] | juski: | right.. homeski.. laters y'all |
| [16:25:00] | simcop2387: | GreyFoxx: the OSD doesn't look bad, nice, plain, but informative, though i don't think i like the progress bar in the upper right for some reason, but thats just me |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | sim prefer it there, not covering up any of the "real" action space which is normally in the middle to lower portioins of the screen |
| [16:25:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: cool. are you gonna do it? ;) |
| [16:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | but to each their own |
| [16:26:00] | simcop2387: | hmm |
| [16:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Maybe :) |
| [16:26:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: :) |
| [16:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking at exactly where it would go, wouldn't be too dificult |
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| [16:28:00] | darkfrog: | Hey guys, I was having problems with my MythTV using Xine to play DVDs where it was crashing on certain encrypted DVDs and I installed w32codec and a few other updates to Xine and now for some reason my mythbox doesn't have sound any longer. MythMusic still works though... |
| [16:28:00] | darkfrog: | (btw, I never got the dvds to work either) :o |
| [16:29:00] | darkfrog: | I searched the forums and the only thing I found was about the AC3 Passthrough and I tried toggling that but it didn't help. |
| [16:30:00] | darkfrog: | Sound goes directly through my PVR-250 |
| [16:31:00] | darkfrog: | anyone have an idea of what I can check next? |
| [16:31:00] | darkfrog: | I even updated it hoping that might help, but to no avail. |
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| [16:36:00] | Ryushin: | Hello all. I upgraded my myth box last night to that latest svn. Mythweb is being wierd when showing listings. It shows the whole channel name streched across the screen. An idea why this happening? |
| [16:37:00] | simcop2387: | darkfrog: the pvr250 shouldn't have anything to do with your dvd playback, what i'd need to see is the output from xine playing the dvd in a terminal, e.g. run xine dvd:// in a terminal and paste the output in the pastebin |
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| [16:37:00] | Kelerion: | darkfrog: I'd presume if your music is fine.. and the 250 just dumps the audio as part of the stream.. then the only thing I can think of is that either your not actually feeding any audio to your 250 or the default audio input isn't set right on your 250 card |
| [16:38:00] | Kelerion: | Ryushin: I updated my svn install this afternoon – didn't notice anything like that |
| [16:38:00] | simcop2387: | Kelerion: IIRC the 250 doesn't support output, only recording |
| [16:39:00] | Ryushin: | Weird. |
| [16:39:00] | Kelerion: | darkfrog: you saying that your don't get any audio in your recordings now? or still talking about dvd? |
| [16:39:00] | simcop2387: | Ryushin: the sound issue might be the mixers being turned down, run alsamixer on a terminal and see if they are muted/down |
| [16:39:00] | Ryushin: | I cleaned out my mythweb directory and did a fresh copy of the mythweb from svn. |
| [16:39:00] | simcop2387: | er Kelerion |
| [16:39:00] | simcop2387: | er not them |
| [16:39:00] | Merlin83b: | So GreyFoxx: I put your patches on, compiled, installed and backend is using something like 25% CPU since I started it up. |
| [16:39:00] | simcop2387: | i'm half awake, that was meant for darkfrog |
| [16:40:00] | Ryushin: | Yea, I was wondering about that. :) |
| [16:40:00] | ** Kelerion just looks lost and gives in – losing track of problems ** | |
| [16:40:00] | simcop2387: | i'm losing track of problems and people |
| [16:41:00] | Ryushin: | Does it IE and firefox. |
| [16:41:00] | Ryushin: | I wonder if it's a problem with PHP and debian sid? |
| [16:42:00] | simcop2387: | on top of that i'm trying to run a program in cedega and pull apart the OPIE source to make a program for my zaurus to beep loudly in GPE |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Merlin83b: Is that higher or lower than before ? |
| [16:42:00] | Merlin83b: | Before was 0 as I had the EIT stuff turned off. |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | of course :) |
| [16:43:00] | Merlin83b: | I guess the figure you want is before with EIT turned on. |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:43:00] | Merlin83b: | Except now I've patched :< |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | no worries |
| [16:43:00] | Merlin83b: | I'll let it finish populating program and then see where it sits. |
| [16:43:00] | Merlin83b: | Then I may get round to unpatching and trying again. |
| [16:44:00] | Merlin83b: | I did empty program so it's having to fill all that in. |
| [16:44:00] | Ryushin: | Bummer. I gotta fix this or my wife is going to get upset. |
| [16:44:00] | Ryushin: | I did copy over my old config file. Let me try the new one. |
| [16:46:00] | Ryushin: | That was it. Dummy me. |
| [16:47:00] | Ryushin: | Have fun. Off to run. |
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| [17:00:00] | stealth: | I have the svn compiled, and trying to use a sa3250hd stb... but when i try to exit it says no channel 3 found? and in channel scan it says unable toopen card i have host and node both set to 0 and in plugreport it shows stuff like oPCR[0] online=1, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=2 .. is this my cable box? |
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| [17:08:00] | stealth: | when i start mythbackend.. it changes to my box to channel 49.? |
| [17:08:00] | stealth: | but i still cant watch live tv |
| [17:08:00] | stealth: | AutoExpire: Found 1 recorders w/max rate of 138 MiB/min |
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| [17:22:00] | stealth: | what chanel do i set myth to, to record from my cable box? |
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| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | depends on how your shit is setup |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | if you use RCA cables, attach the "channel line up" to that input on the card |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | if you use svideo, use that |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | if you use RF, tell it to only tune to channel 3 and set it to use an outside script to change channels |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | of course, for the first 2 you'll also need the outside script to change channels |
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| [17:25:00] | stealth: | im using 1394 |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | and the cable box usually has a switch to choose between channels 3 and 4, typically |
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| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | then you'd add a firewire device in mythtv-setup |
| [17:25:00] | stealth: | yes |
| [17:26:00] | willcooke_laptop: | juski, have you got a nova-t? |
| [17:26:00] | stealth: | fryfrog, when i start mythbackend my cable box changes to channel 48 .. so i know my comp is talking to my box over firewire |
| [17:26:00] | fryfrog: | super |
| [17:26:00] | fryfrog: | and when you tune, does it change channels? |
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| [17:27:00] | fryfrog: | on mine, i had to find that outside "over firewire" channel change script, but i think its "internal" for a lot of them now |
| [17:27:00] | stealth: | no.. when i click watch live tv it just flashes back to the main screen.. |
| [17:27:00] | stealth: | when in mythtv-setup i go to channel scan it says cannot open card |
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| [17:28:00] | stealth: | and I got this TVRec(1): Channel: '3' was not found in the database. |
| [17:28:00] | stealth: | Most likely, the default channel set for this input |
| [17:28:00] | stealth: | cardid 1, input 'MPEG2TS' |
| [17:28:00] | stealth: | in setup is wrong |
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| [17:31:00] | stealth: | ? |
| [17:31:00] | stealth: | :( |
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| [17:34:00] | darkfrog: | Kelerion, sorry, I was away...I don't get any audio on recordings or live tv, but MythMusic works...I don't care about DVD stuff now as that is far less important at the moment. :o |
| [17:36:00] | darkfrog: | simcop2387, the DVD stuff can wait...I'm baffled as to how updating some stuff related to Xine killed my sound... |
| [17:36:00] | darkfrog: | fryfrog, help out a fellow frog. :-p |
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| [17:39:00] | stealth: | argh |
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| [17:43:00] | willcooke_laptop: | anyone got the "silver" remote working with the up/down/left/right keys for a new nova-t? |
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| [17:43:00] | dkdundas: | hey I want to figure out if there is a way to watch video blogs from the internet on a mythbox |
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| [17:45:00] | dkdundas: | because I would like to download videos from the web |
| [17:45:00] | dkdundas: | maybe by accessing an rss |
| [17:45:00] | juski: | _willcooke_: no I've not got a nova-t |
| [17:45:00] | dkdundas: | I am a newbie so I am not that familiar |
| [17:45:00] | willcooke_laptop: | juski, bum. |
| [17:46:00] | ** juski repeats for the billionth time he has a bunch of LR6650 cards, OEM jobbies by Leadtek usually stuffed in HP PCs ** | |
| [17:46:00] | Kelerion: | not got a nova-t then? |
| [17:46:00] | Kelerion: | :P |
| [17:46:00] | Kelerion: | hey.. anyone noticed that uk_rt has broken? |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:47:00] | juski: | wot? |
| [17:47:00] | juski: | uk_rt broken? |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | nor would I care, not being in the UK :) |
| [17:47:00] | Kelerion: | I have only 10 days guide left |
| [17:47:00] | Kelerion: | Beirdo: smart-ass :P |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:47:00] | juski: | erm... I checked this morning.. got 14 days.. last ran @ '6am |
| [17:47:00] | Kelerion: | channel gmtv.co.uk (1801) not seen on site at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 203. |
| [17:47:00] | Kelerion: | HASH(0x8d03184) |
| [17:47:00] | stealth: | do i need DVB support in my kernel for a cable box? |
| [17:48:00] | Kelerion: | and freezez |
| [17:48:00] | Kelerion: | freezes |
| [17:48:00] | stealth: | firewire of course |
| [17:48:00] | juski: | Kelerion: gmtv? it's never seen that on mine AFAIK |
| [17:48:00] | Kelerion: | never seen that hash before |
| [17:48:00] | Kelerion: | there's a few messages like that before |
| [17:48:00] | juski: | Kelerion: I get that hash all the time on my 'bongo box |
| [17:49:00] | ** Kelerion tries to remember what he was doing 4 days ago that might have naffed it up ** | |
| [17:49:00] | juski: | oh fack... must have been imagining stuff.. |
| [17:50:00] | Kelerion: | broken for you too? |
| [17:50:00] | juski: | only got 12 days' worth |
| [17:50:00] | juski: | trying it now |
| [17:50:00] | dkdundas: | does anyone know the address for the myth dev room? |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | 127.0.0.1? |
| [17:51:00] | Kelerion: | nope.. it's running.. populating the temp file.. |
| [17:51:00] | Kelerion: | will see what it falls out at |
| [17:53:00] | juski: | http://pastebin.com/511696 |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | dkdundas: The dev irc channel ? |
| [17:53:00] | dkdundas: | yes |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | #Mythtv |
| [17:53:00] | Kelerion: | yup.. looks like mine |
| [17:53:00] | dkdundas: | oh ok |
| [17:53:00] | dkdundas: | thanks!! |
| [17:53:00] | Kelerion: | is it populating the xml file under /tmp ? |
| [17:53:00] | stealth: | anyone use a digital cable box over firewire ? |
| [17:55:00] | stealth: | the docs only say "You may use the Firewire output of the Motorola DCT6200 or the SA3250." |
| [17:55:00] | stealth: | nothing on "This is how you setup the Firewire output..." |
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| [17:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | no firewire here |
| [17:57:00] | Kelerion: | definately no firewire here |
| [17:57:00] | stealth: | :( |
| [17:58:00] | juski: | Kelerion: says it's inserting program data |
| [17:58:00] | Kelerion: | yup..same here |
| [17:58:00] | Kelerion: | hang on a sec.. why would "auto run mythfilldatabase" option be an option on a frontend? shouldn't it be on a backend? |
| [17:59:00] | Kelerion: | or does it actually *run* on the backend? |
| [17:59:00] | ** Kelerion disables that option and sets up a cronjob on the backend instead ** | |
| [17:59:00] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [18:00:00] | juski: | Updated programs: 1302 Unchanged programs: 15778 |
| [18:00:00] | Kelerion: | still running |
| [18:01:00] | Kelerion: | Updated programs: 2017 Unchanged programs: 17948 |
| [18:02:00] | juski: | what do you reckon to these as new buttons? http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/mockup.png |
| [18:02:00] | Kelerion: | they're bigger and turned 45 degrees? |
| [18:03:00] | juski: | I mean how do they look? okay? |
| [18:03:00] | juski: | moving away from the project mayhem graphics |
| [18:04:00] | juski: | but keeping the look ;) |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | Looks good |
| [18:04:00] | Kelerion: | ok ok – look alright.. but personally prefer smaller buttons |
| [18:04:00] | juski: | the buttons are too small at the moment |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I like the bigger ones:) |
| [18:04:00] | juski: | maybe mid-way then |
| [18:04:00] | juski: | the original ones won't scale up at all |
| [18:05:00] | Kelerion: | ok – so I ran mythfilldatabase.. and the logs said it did those updates.. but the System Status in Info Center says I still only have 10 days.. "Result mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert blah" |
| [18:05:00] | juski: | learning how to make glossy icons ;) |
| [18:05:00] | juski: | Kelerion: I think it's more or less normal |
| [18:05:00] | juski: | seems to go up & down |
| [18:05:00] | willcooke_laptop: | Kelerion, mine did that the other day |
| [18:06:00] | ** willcooke_laptop just ignored it, seems ok ** | |
| [18:06:00] | Kelerion: | "There's guide data until 2006-01–28 04:00 (10 days)." |
| [18:06:00] | juski: | it's the EIT data thats iffy.. sometimes goes down to 3 days |
| [18:06:00] | juski: | well it used to |
| [18:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Odds are only certain transponders have the longterm data |
| [18:07:00] | juski: | apparently there's a PVR out with 14 days' guide from EIT now :-/ |
| [18:07:00] | willcooke_laptop: | I thought freeview epg only did 8 days |
| [18:07:00] | ivor: | juski: it all depends on what the broadcaster puts out |
| [18:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | You just need to find out what transports they are getting it from |
| [18:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | and then tune to the same |
| [18:07:00] | juski: | I thought it did.. and then only 8 days on good days |
| [18:07:00] | willcooke_laptop: | :) |
| [18:08:00] | willcooke_laptop: | Maybe it's 8 days in to the future and 6 days past? |
| [18:08:00] | juski: | heheh |
| [18:08:00] | lightx: | is it possible to run stable rls and also the svn release on the same box? |
| [18:08:00] | ivor: | juski: I'm sure I got 14 days off eit when I tried. |
| [18:08:00] | ivor: | will have to take a look |
| [18:09:00] | juski: | lightx: yep.. with some jiggery-pokery |
| [18:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | lightx: I suppose you could but I don't see it as worth the large effort |
| [18:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | the database structure is different so you would have to keep reverting when you switch versions |
| [18:09:00] | darkfrog: | Not trying to be impatient or anything, but does anyone have any ideas about why I can play MythMusic with sound but watching live tv and recordings doesn't have any sound? |
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| [18:10:00] | juski: | darkfrog: using a PVR card or a framegrabber? chances are it's a mixer setting thing |
| [18:10:00] | lightx: | ok, is the svn version livetv working ok? |
| [18:10:00] | juski: | (if it's a framegrabber) |
| [18:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | darkfrog: Well, both of those have different setup menus for the audio out don't they ? So they could be using different outputs... one Alsa and one OSS ? |
| [18:10:00] | Kelerion: | I saw that in a msg a few days ago – would it be possible to run as two different uses.. and have two different ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt files? presuming you had two mysql servers? |
| [18:10:00] | Kelerion: | users..even |
| [18:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | lightx: I have no problem with it, but I rarely use livetv |
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| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: You could install 2 different databases on the same server, and point one version and 1 and 1 at the other |
| [18:11:00] | lightx: | GreyFoxx, my wife watches it something from her laptop when im playing on the xbox |
| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUT they wont interoperate |
| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you record a show with one version the other will not see it |
| [18:11:00] | lightx: | yeah, i think that will be more of a pain two have two setup |
| [18:12:00] | Kelerion: | yup.. makes sense.. doesn't seem worth the hassle |
| [18:12:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx it was working until I updated some stuff relating to playing DVDs |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | darkfrog: *shrug* go check the settings see how they differ |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | odds are one is Alsa and one is OSS. And one of those things is currently busted on your system |
| [18:13:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, how do I determine what uses what? |
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| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ummmm look at the setup menus ? |
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| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | I had some fun last night getting my slave backend to behave right |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | first it was bttv options |
| [18:14:00] | lightx: | is their a timeframe for the next release? |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | then it was me being a dumbass and reading audio from the wrong soundcard |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:14:00] | lightx: | stable |
| [18:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | lightx: "Any time now" |
| [18:14:00] | lightx: | oh great. |
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| [18:15:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, all I see is that the audio device for MythMusic is set to /dev/dsp |
| [18:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, so that's OSS |
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| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | and I bet if you continue looking you will find that your TV playback is using Alsa |
| [18:16:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, okay |
| [18:17:00] | darkfrog: | Under the general tab for audio output it also says /dev/dsp |
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| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | Oh GOD I hate berkeleydb |
| [18:20:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, am I looking in the wrong place? |
| [18:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, sounds like you have the right place |
| [18:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Are you 100% sure myth isn't muted ? And that the audio in playback isn't just turned way way dow n? |
| [18:23:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, I've rebooted, it wouldn't stay muted after reboot would it? |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | well myth does store previous volume and such in the database, I don't know if it stores the mute state or not |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | start playing something and try to mute/unmute |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | turn up thej volume as well |
| [18:25:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, nope...not doing any good |
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| [18:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* |
| [18:25:00] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, I'll probably go through all my settings tonight...I'm having to relay to my wife. :o I'm at work and she's at home without sound. :o |
| [18:25:00] | darkfrog: | ...and I'm in trouble. :-p |
| [18:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hah |
| [18:26:00] | xris: | Beirdo: got ipod export working in nuvexport last night. |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | nice :) |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | I got my devel PVR running real quick |
| [18:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm lots of tickets having milestones changed from 0.19 to 0.20.... |
| [18:27:00] | ** GreyFoxx sniffs the air for the scent of 0.19 ** | |
| [18:27:00] | xris: | it's funny.. you set flags like -4mv and ffmpeg suddenly decides that it can't encode xvid. |
| [18:27:00] | Kelerion: | nope.. absolutely uk_rt is not giving out all the info it was doing |
| [18:27:00] | Kelerion: | at least not at the moment |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | note to whoever made the mythtv debs... you need qt-mysql as a dependancy! |
| [18:27:00] | xris: | Beirdo: that's likely someone porting mdz's stuff |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | no, mdz makes em |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | for ubuntu |
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| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | mind you, I WAS using hoary |
| [18:28:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: crap... I got an ICE. :( |
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| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | maybe it's right in breezy |
| [18:28:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: hah. stupid distro ;) |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | don't throw too many stones, Cardoe :) |
| [18:29:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I was just making a joke. |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehe :) |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | I did apt-get build-dep mythtv to pull in the deps, it missed qt-mysql |
| [18:29:00] | juski: | heheh: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/newmockup.png |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | which, I guess technically ISN'T needed to build it |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | just to use it after |
| [18:29:00] | Cardoe: | juski: 404 |
| [18:30:00] | juski: | try now |
| [18:30:00] | juski: | just messin about |
| [18:32:00] | juski: | .. as everyone & his dog hits my poor connection.. |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | so my bttv card is there as an emergency "oh HELL" tuner |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | running on an AMD64 box too |
| [18:34:00] | juski: | I think I might try that other DVB tuner soon.. conflicts sometimes stack up.. either that or put the terrestrial channels I can get on cable, back in |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | I had a 5-way conflict last night |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | too bad I couldn't get the f'er working before that |
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| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | and it just happens that I got NONE of the programs as I was restarting the backends, etc |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [18:35:00] | juski: | gonna have to learn to use rec priorities so I never miss the new 24 when it starts up here |
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| [18:38:00] | ** Cardoe hits juski's connection again for good luck. ** | |
| [18:39:00] | juski: | who's using windows98? :-P |
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| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | who'd admit to that, juski? |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | it bet beirdo is using windows me |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | aww, was gonna ask ViViD for free pr0n |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | s/it/i/ |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | Win2k and XP Pro |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | and 98SE on a pull-out drive for doing firmware upgrade on CD drives, etc |
| [18:49:00] | laga: | no comment :) |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | for those fuckers that only give out 'blows updaters for firmware |
| [18:51:00] | juski: | I can publish the IP address... but that wouldn't help anyone ;) |
| [18:54:00] | Kelerion: | I just gotta show ya'll this.. http://pastebin.com/511787 |
| [18:55:00] | Kelerion: | my favorite is #24 :) |
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| [18:56:00] | juski: | that'd be the most telling one ;) |
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| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | oh look, the pr0n producer's back |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:59:00] | juski: | did he make A**l teens? |
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| [18:59:00] | juski: | or f**k truck... (noticed that was in my video today) |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | vivid is one of the leading pr0n producing companies in the US last I heard |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | and why anyone would know that, I dunno. comes from having a friend with too much money to spend on pay-per-view, I guess |
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| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | red_fox: kormoc: and everyone else interested in Gentoo SVN ebuilds: New ebuilds. |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | yay! |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | hopefully it will fix my issue. |
| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | what's the issue? |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | remote frontend can't talk to the backend |
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| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | I can telnet into the backend and get stuff, but the frontend never 'connects't |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | it just 'times out' instantly |
| [19:09:00] | Cardoe: | odd |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | fcuk |
| [19:10:00] | ** Beirdo beats cfengine with a club ** | |
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| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | User Notice at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 163: |
| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=26, backend=23) |
| [19:11:00] | ** Cardoe sighs. ** | |
| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | latest SVN |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | then you don't have the latest SVN for the backend |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | I just did svn up |
| [19:12:00] | laga: | what about make; make install? :) |
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| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | it worked for me yesterday, you sure you installed? |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | doh |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | wait |
| [19:12:00] | Kelerion: | I svn'd up today.. all is working on 26 now |
| [19:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | the backend was bumped to 26 yesterday morning |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | forgot to restart |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | pebcak :) |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | meh |
| [19:12:00] | ** Cardoe blames Debian. ** | |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | bitchin |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | the latest cfengine won't compile on older than Sol8 |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | uses IPv6 crap, not optional to shut off |
| [19:13:00] | ** Beirdo kicks Mark Burgess in the nuts ** | |
| [19:14:00] | Kelerion: | I noticed something unusual today (for linux anyways!) .. I had frontend running... and I did a "make install" of mythplugins.. frontend segfaulted.. I restarted it and all was well.. but thought it would have just ran the plugins it had already loaded |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | Shdwdrgn: /var/log/mythfilldatabase.log: Permission denied |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | any idea where to change the directory it tries to write to? |
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| [19:17:00] | laga: | Kelerion: i have experienced that a few times as well *shrug* |
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| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | 2006-01–18 14:18:27.982 Channel(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(-1, NTSC) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | while setting input (v4l v2) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | 2006-01–18 14:18:27.984 Channel(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(-1, NTSC) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | while setting input (v4l v2) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | 2006-01–18 14:18:27.988 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 58 |
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| [19:27:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: well mythtv & mythweb is in and working |
| [19:27:00] | kormoc: | kk |
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| [19:28:00] | kormoc: | when will it hit the portage servers? |
| [19:29:00] | Cardoe: | next sync |
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| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | got a direct link to them perchance? |
| [19:30:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/med . . . 8642.ebuild\ |
| [19:31:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/med . . . e8642.ebuild |
| [19:31:00] | kormoc: | coolness, thx |
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| [19:39:00] | rjune: | .19 pre? is that even semi blessed? |
| [19:40:00] | Cardoe: | rjune: it's SVN snapshots. |
| [19:40:00] | rjune: | so that's a no |
| [19:40:00] | Cardoe: | rjune: considering that now users are told to "try SVN" when they have an issue with the current stable release. |
| [19:40:00] | Cardoe: | to see if it exists anymore.. |
| [19:41:00] | Cardoe: | And I won't support Gentoo users who use raw SVN |
| [19:41:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, hrm, any way to find the mythtv-0.19_pre8642.tar.bz2? |
| [19:41:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: should be on the mirrors... it's not there yet? |
| [19:41:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [19:41:00] | willcooke_laptop: | Aha!!! Fixed it. Finally got the up, down, left and right keys working on the Hauppauge remote! |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | connected a keyboard? |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:42:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I ahve it right here. |
| [19:42:00] | willcooke_laptop: | for anyone searching the irc logs you need to edit ir-common.c and add the new key codes in. |
| [19:42:00] | rjune: | I want joystick control |
| [19:42:00] | rjune: | then I can use my cordless ps/2 controllers as a remote |
| [19:42:00] | willcooke_laptop: | rjune, it does exist |
| [19:43:00] | rjune: | that in X or in mythtv? |
| [19:43:00] | willcooke_laptop: | I seem to remeber seeing an option when compiling myth |
| [19:43:00] | rjune: | Ooo, I may ahve to look at that. |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, coolness. anychance you can toss it somewhere? |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:44:00] | rjune: | leave it alone Beirdo |
| [19:44:00] | ** Beirdo eyes the trashbin ** | |
| [19:45:00] | rjune: | oh good, you're better then me, I was thinking british slang |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno if there's enough room in the trashbin. I already tossed berkeleydb and cfengine in there |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, or off... |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:45:00] | ** Beirdo tosses cfengine 2.1.17 too ** | |
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| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | is it too much to ask to get a version that will compile under Sol7? |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | evendently it is |
| [19:47:00] | rjune: | sol7? Solarus 7? |
| [19:47:00] | rjune: | solaris 7 rather |
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| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | 2.1.18, 2.1.17 won't |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | trying 2.1.16 |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | make your shite code conditional for IPv6, please! |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | 2.1.16... nope |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | may i suggest something? |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | 2.1.15 :) |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | trying it |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | they are gonna hear from my bunghole in a bit |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | then I have to compile in Sol 26. |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | 2.6 rather |
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| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | 2.1.15 compiled |
| [20:06:00] | laga: | see? |
| [20:06:00] | laga: | you should have listened to me. |
| [20:07:00] | Krazylegz: | Sounds like he did. |
| [20:07:00] | laga: | he should have asked me earlier, that's what i mean |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | I was already compiling when you said it, silly |
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| [20:12:00] | laga: | Beirdo: i'm just messing with ya ;) |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:30:00] | willcooke_laptop: | oh, I've just noticed in the "virtual keyboard" the "i" is in (it appears) upper case, everything else is lower |
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| [20:56:00] | Beakster: | hi |
| [20:56:00] | Beakster: | when i try to run xmame it complains it cant find some rotox bin files |
| [20:56:00] | Beakster: | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| [21:35:00] | _madis: | hi, i have little problem with TV card. I want to buy hauppauge pvr500, but i have cable TV what send digital signal to me and i use digibox to wach TV. does this tv tuner has digi tuner or i must use dixibox to watch digi television from computer? |
| [21:40:00] | kormoc: | you must use dixibox to watch digi television from computer |
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| [21:41:00] | _madis: | but some are digital tuners or sint? |
| [21:41:00] | _madis: | isn't* |
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| [21:52:00] | doublehelix: | i have a problem with skipping on any program that is over an hour in length.. whenever i reach the one hour mark, any number of "crazy" things can happen... |
| [21:53:00] | doublehelix: | it usually skips to the end, etc... i have done everything ive found through google, including completely deleting recordedmarkup and rebuilding the seek tables |
| [21:53:00] | doublehelix: | but it still happens for any recording over an hour |
| [21:53:00] | doublehelix: | oh and by skipping, i mean seeking or skipping |
| [21:54:00] | doublehelix: | can anyone shed any light on this? |
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| [22:05:00] | KungPhoo: | hi |
| [22:05:00] | KungPhoo: | how long can I expect xmltv-grab to take? |
| [22:05:00] | KungPhoo: | I got DSL 2000 |
| [22:06:00] | kormoc: | DSL 2000?!?! Get with the times man! It's 2006! :P |
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| [22:16:00] | KungPhoo: | yeah, very helpfull, thank you. |
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| [22:17:00] | KungPhoo: | it does not print anything for 10 minutes now – is that OK? |
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| [22:24:00] | beavis: | KungPhoo: #mythtv-de |
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| [22:31:00] | Beirdo: | I can call you Betty, and when you call me, you can call me Al... |
| [22:33:00] | juski: | how is it that I can never reproduce problems people say they have with this theme of mine? :-/ |
| [22:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [22:33:00] | stealth: | /join #linux1394 |
| [22:33:00] | kormoc: | cause your are cursed with the most evil curse of all, the curse of no problems |
| [22:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have the sameproblem with one guys OSD problem |
| [22:33:00] | stealth: | /join #linux1394 |
| [22:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | stealth: ummm no ? |
| [22:33:00] | ** Beirdo pokes stealth with his spacebar ** | |
| [22:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | cept in the OSD case I think I know what's going on |
| [22:34:00] | juski: | someone's reported myth spewing out errors about missing theme objects |
| [22:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like pebcak to me |
| [22:35:00] | juski: | I only edited 2 lines in the xml file & uploaded it.. nothing was changed anywhere else... |
| [22:36:00] | kormoc: | juski, when I delete half the images to free up another 4 megs so I can get another .2 seconds of tv recorded, myth doesn't show your theme right! It's a POS! Blasted computers! |
| [22:36:00] | juski: | kormoc :) |
| [22:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | you store recordings on the same partition as /usr ? Silliness! |
| [22:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh ;) |
| [22:36:00] | juski: | from now on I think I'll stop posting updates to the users list then |
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| [22:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I force users to send me logs and screenshots or I wont even look :) |
| [22:37:00] | juski: | good plan! |
| [22:37:00] | ** juski takes notes ** | |
| [22:39:00] | stealth: | anyone know about firewire output from a cable box? |
| [22:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | You should email the -users list |
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| [22:40:00] | stealth: | ok |
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| [22:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | And document it when you are done on the wiki :) |
| [22:42:00] | juski: | oh yeh the wiki's not off-limits anymore |
| [22:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nope, I'm going to encourage everyone to fill it in as much as possible |
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| [22:48:00] | kyu_flux_: | maybe this is a basic linux question, but ... |
| [22:48:00] | kyu_flux_: | I can't burn dvd's because mythburn is under the same "myth" partition... is there a way I can make mythburn use a different tmp directory? |
| [22:52:00] | juski: | er... just edit the script? |
| [22:53:00] | kyu_flux_: | maybe let me restate my question – is there any reason why I shouldn't do that... is there any reason why a specific tmp directory was used instead of /tmp |
| [22:53:00] | kyu_flux_: | ? |
| [22:54:00] | b_e_n_z: | i am trying to setup 0.18... when i configure my capture card in mythtv-setup, i choose the correct settings and when i press Next>, the card information is not saved (still says New Capture Card)... is that a known bug? |
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| [22:57:00] | b_e_n_z: | also i see that the keybindings table is not being created and in the log some process is trying to insert a bunch of stuff to that table |
| [22:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | kyu_flux_: not everyone has space on /tmp to build an image, but you would half to ask the author of mythburn why he wrote it the way he did :) |
| [22:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | benz |
| [22:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Gentoo ? |
| [23:00:00] | kyu_flux_: | GreyFoxx: good call... thanks... although I would've thought that the typical scenario would be where you have a full box of shows and want to burn some off onto DVD to free some space up... =) |
| [23:00:00] | kyu_flux_: | anyways i'll switch it up |
| [23:00:00] | kyu_flux_: | thanks alot =) |
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| [23:22:00] | juski: | another report about missing elements.. gah... why do I bother? |
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| [23:44:00] | juski: | aha! looks like a downloading error.. or a webspace problem :-/ |
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| [23:49:00] | juski: | bloody domain forwarding service!! I'm not gonna use 1&1 ever again |
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