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Monday, January 16th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Lobo75025: is anyone here familar with importing the information from dvbscan into mythtv ?
[00:00:00] Beirdo: fcuk
[00:01:00] purplefrog: Tape? Who uses tape? disk is so cheap you just make backups to a second hard drive, maybe to a machine in your buddy's boston basement.
[00:02:00] Beirdo: anyone with a brain uses tape
[00:02:00] Goose-Npa: yea
[00:02:00] Goose-Npa: tape last longe
[00:02:00] TubularBell: Question: In the near future my cable-company will be giving me a 'free upgrade' to Digital Television. At this time I am considering giving MythTV a try. Will Myth work with Digital Television? (please.. keep the tech-jargon down to a minimum when answering.. I'm only slightly above Clueless Newbie)
[00:02:00] ** Led-Hed refers glue **
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[00:03:00] Led-Hed: I'm not getting sound with LiveTV or Recordings, but Videos (xine) have sound. Any Ideas?
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[00:04:00] Kabutor: Led-Hed, check alsamixer INPUT not output
[00:04:00] Kabutor: alsamixer -> press F4 select input channel and volume :)
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[00:06:00] nasa: Hi, I have an ati remote that I am trying to get to work with lirc – I have a mandriva system. I tried modifying instructions from here:
[00:06:00] nasa: http://www.fedoranews.org/contributors/yousse . . . emotewonder/
[00:06:00] nasa: and here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#auto
[00:07:00] nasa: error message: lircd-0.7.1[4884]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc0
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[00:08:00] nasa: /dev/lirc0 doesn't exist (i do have /dev/lirc/0)
[00:09:00] Led-Hed: Kabutor, nope. Its not recording sound.. must be the ivtv
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[00:09:00] Beirdo: muhahha
[00:09:00] Beirdo: amanda saves my ass
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[00:09:00] render1: nasa: ln -s /dev/lirc/0 /dev/lirc0
[00:09:00] Beirdo: I upgraded svn and forgot that the commit-email.pl had been modified
[00:09:00] Beirdo: I shoulda renamed my version
[00:10:00] Beirdo: now restoring my version from tape
[00:10:00] nasa: thanks render1, wish I had thought of that myself. Let's see what happens.
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[00:13:00] Beirdo: three cheers for amanda! :)
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[00:14:00] fatmatt: Beirdo: you have a tape backup?
[00:15:00] Beirdo: yup
[00:15:00] Beirdo: DDS3
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[00:17:00] Beirdo: YAY
[00:17:00] Beirdo: that fixed it
[00:18:00] Beirdo: of course... I just realized
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[00:18:00] Beirdo: I made a clone of that vserver before upgrading
[00:18:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[00:18:00] Beirdo: I suck
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[00:18:00] Beirdo: but it's good to remember how to use amrecover
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[00:19:00] nasa: what does irw do? It seems to delete my sym link to /dev/lirc/0...
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[00:20:00] TubularBell: Is there an organisation that sells out-of-the-box working MythTv setups?
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[00:27:00] stealth: Hi. I hear its possible to record from my SA3250 via 1394? atleast some digital channels..? in diag (select+exit) it says 1394 activated..
[00:27:00] render1: nasa: irw should just test your remote out
[00:28:00] render1: you need to have lircd running though
[00:28:00] nasa: render1: my logs show "lircd-0.7.1[4876]: lircd(any) ready"
[00:28:00] render1: try ps aux | grep lircd
[00:29:00] nasa: /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd &&
[00:29:00] nasa: /usr/sbin/lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc1 --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid
[00:29:00] render1: theres your problem
[00:29:00] render1: what distro are you using?
[00:30:00] nasa: mandriva
[00:30:00] render1: hrm, do you have a /etc/conf.d/lircd file?
[00:30:00] ** nasa notes he is trying to have both a remote and ir blaster **
[00:30:00] render1: if so edit it and change the dev in there
[00:30:00] render1: then /etc/init.d/lircd restart (on gentoo anyway) never much used mandrake
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[00:31:00] render1: or just kill lircd and then manually restart it
[00:31:00] render1: using the right device
[00:31:00] nasa: in /etc/sysconfig/lircd — DEVICE=/dev/lirc/0
[00:36:00] nasa: when I was setting up the ir blaster (http://www.lircsetup.com/lirc/blaster/index.php) it had me adding a couple of lines into modprobe.conf. Is this necessary given the /etc/sysconfig/lircd file?
[00:37:00] render1: i don't think so, it sounds like whatever script is starting lircd is trying to use a device that doesn't exist. i don't know why it'd delete your symlink though
[00:40:00] render1: http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic= . . . #entry219320
[00:40:00] render1: that might help you
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[00:41:00] nasa: thanks, reading it now
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[00:54:00] phiw: how does one determine where to put hotplug firmware files? I've got a vanilla kernel under fedora, and neither /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware nor /lib/firmware seems to do the trick...
[00:56:00] fdsd: (dependency required by "x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8" [ebuild])
[00:56:00] fdsd: !! I do not what it to upgrade mysql! gezz
[00:56:00] fdsd: !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "dev-db/mysql" have been masked.
[00:56:00] fdsd: why does it want it so badly
[00:56:00] fdsd: I stuck it in my USE
[00:56:00] fdsd: -mysql
[00:57:00] phiw: mysql is very important to the myth backend, as I understand...
[00:58:00] fdsd: Yeah but I am not upgrading mythtv
[00:58:00] phiw: oh, sorry. i'm pretty useless when it comes to gentoo :(
[01:03:00] Kabutor: fdsd, you are in testing right?
[01:03:00] fdsd: yeah
[01:04:00] Kabutor: I read that mysql5 problem is fixed in svn
[01:06:00] fdsd: good to know
[01:06:00] fdsd: we really need to get .19 out
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[01:09:00] xris: fdsd: soon
[01:09:00] xris: we've been in feature freeze/catchup for a few weeks now.
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[01:11:00] fdsd: cool
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[01:27:00] Kelerion: ok – got a couple of hours.. might as well do something constructive... like getting nuvexport working
[01:29:00] Kelerion: xris.. would you mind helping me a bit? just a quick question question really.. what command can I run from a user job.. to run a divx export, in a half decent amount of time, and will use a cutlist?
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[01:30:00] Kelerion: if it increases speed.. I don't even mind that isn't a divx.. anything is fine with me as long as it cuts it down from a 7gb file. .lol
[01:30:00] xris: Kelerion: dunno how the user jobs work, but I
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[01:30:00] xris: I use something like this from the cli:
[01:31:00] xris: nuvexport --transcode --require_cutlist --mode xvid --title show_I_want_to_export --force_mythtranscode
[01:31:00] xris: that bypasses the gui
[01:31:00] xris: or the tui
[01:31:00] ** Kelerion gives it a shot **
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[01:32:00] \Grooby\: hey all
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[01:35:00] xris: Kelerion: I think you'll need the --starttime and --chanid options for a user job
[01:36:00] Kelerion: xris.. an roughly.. on your system how long would that take to do, say, a 30 min show?
[01:36:00] xris: 4 hours with 2-pass
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[01:36:00] xris: and denoise
[01:36:00] Kelerion: and those are on by default?
[01:37:00] xris: denoise, yes
[01:37:00] xris: 2-pass is disabled by default, but I like my shows all ending up with about the same filesize on disk
[01:37:00] Kelerion: 75 frames a second doesn't sound too bad does it?
[01:37:00] xris: the other settings are pretty much the defaults (since I created them)
[01:37:00] xris: 75 or 7.5?
[01:37:00] Kelerion: 75
[01:38:00] Kelerion: gone down to 40 now.. and dropping.. lol
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[01:42:00] tdog565: hello is there anyone here who can help me i got some questions
[01:42:00] Kelerion: I think this is gonna average out about 15–16 fps
[01:42:00] Kelerion: and chewing up 90% processor while it's doing it
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[01:43:00] xris: Kelerion: that drop is probably from the initial commercial/cut block at the beginnig (if you have one)
[01:43:00] xris: tdog565: don't ask to ask, just ask.
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[01:43:00] Kelerion: yes.. trimmed out all the initial stuff before the film
[01:43:00] xris: Kelerion: you'll likely get 6–7
[01:44:00] tdog565: ok is it possible to run myth tv on one partion and windows xp on another or do i have to dedicate a whole hd to install myth?
[01:44:00] xris: depending on initial bitrate, output bitrate and resolution.
[01:44:00] xris: tdog565: mythtv doesn't care
[01:44:00] xris: it's just a program that runs under linux
[01:44:00] nasa: ok, while I try and solve my remote problem... Is there a way to start mythfrontend automagically after a wm (say enlightenment) starts?
[01:44:00] tdog565: ok im running xp now so can i install myth tv on it without losing my files under xp?
[01:45:00] Kelerion: ok.. second idea.. can I just use nuvexport to cut out the cutlist.. without transcoding? I can then use another machine to do the converting
[01:45:00] Kelerion: mpeg2cut?
[01:46:00] xris: tdog565: you'll need to read up on dual-booting linux
[01:46:00] tdog565: ok i will can u give me a link to that?
[01:46:00] xris: Kelerion: mpeg2cut sort of works.. but not with recent distros because LVE sucks.
[01:46:00] xris: tdog565: google.com
[01:47:00] tdog565: im sure to sound like a noob but i dont know linux like u guys just tryin to learn
[01:47:00] xris: Kelerion: would LOVE to figure out how to speed up encoding in linux... it really shouldn't be that slow.
[01:47:00] xris: tdog565: dual booting isn't really that hard... you DO need a spare partition or hard drive in your windows box...
[01:47:00] xris: I suggest you start with fedora for a distro, since its installer will detect windows and set it up so you can boot back into it.
[01:48:00] xris: but you can still accidentally wipe XP if you're not careful
[01:48:00] znoG: how does one watch a recorded show?
[01:48:00] xris: #fedora-users would be a good place to start for help with that.
[01:48:00] znoG: couldn't find the option in mythfrontend
[01:48:00] kormoc: tdog565, also, remember, video files are quite large
[01:48:00] xris: znoG: media library
[01:48:00] znoG: did that
[01:48:00] xris: znoG: watch recordings
[01:48:00] znoG: all it says is unknown and all programs, and none of the ones listed is the one I'm looking for
[01:49:00] kormoc: znoG, how did you record the one you want?
[01:49:00] znoG: kormoc: just scheduled it as per the mythtv howto
[01:49:00] znoG: gave it a title to identify it
[01:49:00] xris: znoG: and are you sure it recorded?
[01:49:00] znoG: and the 8GB file is there
[01:49:00] znoG: yep
[01:49:00] znoG: -rw-r--r-- 1 gs users 8253063290 Jan 15 00:20 5016_20060114222000.nuv
[01:49:00] znoG: i was hoping it would transcode it, as I set it to, but it didnt.
[01:49:00] kormoc: you sure you have your zap2it setup correctly?
[01:49:00] znoG: zap2it??
[01:50:00] kormoc: the program to download the guide info, so it knows what programs play when
[01:50:00] znoG: no, i have no guide available for my country, yet
[01:50:00] kormoc: Ahh, your not in the us
[01:50:00] znoG: nope
[01:50:00] kormoc: no XMLTV for your country?
[01:50:00] znoG: :( unfortunately, not
[01:51:00] kormoc: then that unknown is what it recorded as per your schedule
[01:52:00] znoG: strange as none of them looked like the recording, will look again
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[01:54:00] tdog565: Ive downloaded Knopp Myth r5a301 Can i dual boot myth using the Knopp distro?
[01:54:00] znoG: kormoc: nope, all the recordings on the list are a maximum of 10 mins long, the one I'm after is about 2 hours long and definately not on the list
[01:55:00] kormoc: odd
[01:55:00] twisted_one: Hey guys, can would I use LVM to create what basically is a JBOD? (Just a bunch of disks). I want to basically make one big volume across multiple drives
[01:56:00] znoG: kormoc: yep, infact they are all from jan 14th, and the one im looking for is from Jan 15
[01:56:00] kormoc: znoG, maybe it just barfed for some reason
[01:56:00] kormoc: znoG, there's a program called myth-rebuild.pl that can help fix that
[01:56:00] Kelerion: twisted_one: thats how I did it.. 2x120g drives became 1 big 240g volume
[01:56:00] kormoc: twisted_one, yes
[01:56:00] twisted_one: ok, thanks guys =) I'll have a look at it
[01:57:00] kormoc: twisted_one, keep in mind that LVM with ext3 that are over say 350 gigs have certain issues from time to time
[01:57:00] twisted_one: ouch ok
[01:57:00] twisted_one: because thi is going to be about 1.2tb
[01:57:00] kormoc: twisted_one, reiserfs and lvm is not good, xfs is currently the best, safe choice with lvm
[01:57:00] Kelerion: I use xfs.. and it's pretty quick too for files these size
[01:57:00] twisted_one: ok, perhaps I'll have a look at using xfs then. Thanks for pointing that out.
[01:58:00] kormoc: twisted_one, it /can/ work, but there's issues with it forgetting where the array ends and thus kills the usefulness when it writes to nothing
[01:58:00] twisted_one: yeah, that would most definatly suck
[01:58:00] znoG: kormoc: yea im seeing lots of "file not found" errors... also, should recordings auto-expire at some stage? my recordings dir is building up massively..
[01:58:00] twisted_one: would that be sovled by enabling large blcok devices support in the kernel?
[01:58:00] kormoc: znoG, if you set it up to, it can
[01:59:00] kormoc: twisted_one, nope, it's a ext3 bug with lvm
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[01:59:00] twisted_one: kormoc: ok thansk
[02:01:00] twisted_one: One more question, I have no idea what change I made, but I can no longer access my website from only the box its hosted on. all others can access it (WAN and LAN). any ideas on the cause?
[02:01:00] kormoc: odd
[02:02:00] twisted_one: my thoughts exactly
[02:02:00] twisted_one: it will respond if I use localhost, just not the domain name
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[02:02:00] twisted_one: I think it has to do with my new firewall setup, but as far as I can tell that is setup correctly seeing as how any other machine can access it, just not the host itself
[02:03:00] twisted_one: and its not an apache issue...
[02:03:00] twisted_one: ping wont find it either
[02:03:00] twisted_one: so I am fair certain its a NAT'ing issue.... but I dont quite understand it.
[02:04:00] Kelerion: or a dns issue?
[02:04:00] kormoc: tracepath ?
[02:10:00] twisted_one: hrmm I'll try tracepath
[02:10:00] twisted_one: dns resolves fine from all other boxes... hrmm maybe /etc/hosts =)
[02:11:00] twisted_one: sure enough =)
[02:11:00] twisted_one: lol, wow that was a dumb one
[02:11:00] twisted_one: my IP just changed for hte first time in over a year... that'll do it.
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[02:13:00] Kelerion: xris: is mythweb updated to protocol version 23?
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[02:14:00] xris: Kelerion: if that's the last change, then I think daniel updated it last week
[02:15:00] Kelerion: ok – thanks :)
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[02:21:00] stealth: Anyone use a scientific atlanta 3250hd stb with mythtv over firewire?
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[02:32:00] squish102: i have just installed knoppmyth after a failed FC4 attempt. how do i change my tuner loaded on this install?
[02:32:00] squish102: i have card=34 and tuner=43 Leadtek 2000
[02:35:00] squish102: and the only lines i see in modules.conf is a "post-install bttv insmod tuner"
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[02:39:00] Kelerion: I love this virtual keyboard.. I think it makes life a *ton* easier with myth and a remote
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[02:44:00] bronco1: hello all!
[02:45:00] Krazylegz: Kelerion: Do you mind giving me a quick link to this "virtual keyboard" you're referring to?
[02:46:00] Kelerion: it's in myth.. when your on a text box.. pressing enter brings up a virtual keyboard on screen
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[02:47:00] znoG: kormoc: AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file .... etc ... so it looks like autoexpire IS enabled, but I'm not sure where its getting its data from.
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[02:48:00] squish102: ok i guess i need to change /etc/mythtv/modules/bttv
[02:49:00] stealth: im trying to add my firewire card in mythsetup but it dosent add to the list, in the console i get stuff like: Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist
[02:49:00] stealth: ? ive ran mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[02:49:00] squish102: nope, still defaulted to tuner=5 :(
[02:52:00] znoG: i need help from a regular mythtv user
[02:52:00] znoG: why don't my liveTV recordings expireeeee :(
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[02:53:00] Kelerion: znoG: it should do when it requires the space
[02:54:00] kormoc: znoG, it expires based on space, and date usually
[02:54:00] GreyFoxx: There is also a setting for when it will expire them if space isn't required
[02:54:00] kormoc: znoG, your install could just be broke
[02:54:00] GreyFoxx: I thnk it defaults to 7 days
[02:54:00] GreyFoxx: but you can turn it down to 1
[02:54:00] sw_bluntman: znoG: Mine don't expire either. Continually fills up the drive. Are you using RPM install?
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[02:57:00] Chutt: live-tv in an rpm install wouldn't be 'continually filling up the drive'.
[02:57:00] znoG: sw_bluntman: nope, svn install
[02:57:00] Chutt: unless you set it to use more space than you actually had.
[02:57:00] sw_bluntman: Chutt: My fault. Not live-tv. Prior recordings.
[02:57:00] sw_bluntman: Chutt: which are set to auto-expire
[02:57:00] Chutt: and you enabled auto-expire?
[02:57:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: ahh right, ok.. cause its taken up 11GB so far
[02:57:00] stealth: how can i fix this? Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist
[02:58:00] stealth: im trying to add a capture card
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: You can set a Max LiveTV age and it will expire all older than that.l Plus when space is needed for another recording any livetv still there is auto expired first
[02:58:00] squish102: any1 use knoppmyth with a bttv card and knows how i change the tuner (debian)
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[02:58:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: i want liveTV recordings to be expired, say, after 1–2 days, and actual scheduled recordings to be kept unless I delete them manually
[02:58:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: can that be done?
[02:58:00] stealth: squish102, bttv as a module?
[02:59:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: What was the first sentence of the lsat thing I said ? :)
[02:59:00] stealth: should be modprobe bttv tuner=somenumber
[02:59:00] squish102: this knoppmyth and debian seems to be diferent to fc4
[02:59:00] Chutt: znoG, if you have _all_ scheduled recordings with autoexpire turned off, you're going to not be able to watch live-tv eventually
[02:59:00] stealth: wtf
[03:00:00] Chutt: since there won't be anything it can delete to make room =)
[03:00:00] stealth: where do i get the keybindings table?
[03:00:00] squish102: i have tried changing /etc/mythtv/modules/btt0, /etc/modules.conf none worked so far
[03:00:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: ok :) where can those settings be changed?
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[03:01:00] znoG: Chutt: yea, i only have one scheduled recording which already took place and I can't find it on the list under "watch recordings"
[03:01:00] stealth: crap
[03:01:00] GreyFoxx: stealth is this a new install or something? Cause the only w3ay I can see you missing tables is if you didn't complete the install or if you deleted them
[03:01:00] stealth: yep new install
[03:01:00] znoG: the 8GB file is sitting there and unlisted in mythtv
[03:01:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: Settings -> TV Settings -> General
[03:01:00] stealth: brand spaken new by the manual, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html
[03:01:00] cosmo_: kormoc, you around? What nvidia driver version did you say fixed the glx slowdows experienced in dual head configurations?
[03:01:00] Kelerion: just out of curiosity.. how's it calculate free space? on the whole drive? or the partition the recording folder is set to?
[03:01:00] kormoc: cosmo_, I think with what you're experencing, 7676 will work the best
[03:02:00] cosmo_: kormoc, I'll give that a try, thanks
[03:02:00] kormoc: yup, np
[03:02:00] sw_bluntman: Need some advice on where to spend money first on an upgrade. Current combo FE/BE is Athlon 1800+, 100GB hard drive, Leadtek TV2000, GeForce 3 output. I am having problems with jerkyness at higher res and filling up drive, and am outputting to HDTV, so I would like to record HDTV as well. Which would you guys upgrade first?
[03:02:00] GreyFoxx: stealth: My suggestion would be to drop the mythconverg database, create a blank one and then stat mythtv-setup
[03:02:00] GreyFoxx: basically, start frm the beginning
[03:02:00] kormoc: sw_bluntman, I would recommend a pci-e 6600 or higher for hd
[03:03:00] Kelerion: or is that a dumb question? lol
[03:04:00] sw_bluntman: kormoc: Interesting. I guess i would get video acceleration for decoding from that?
[03:05:00] stealth: GreyFoxx, no go
[03:05:00] stealth: same thing
[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: at what point are you seeing this message ?
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[03:06:00] stealth: right when i load up mythsetup
[03:06:00] GreyFoxx: and you did like I said and deleted and recreated a blank mythconverg database ?
[03:07:00] GreyFoxx: And I assume you are running 0.18 or above
[03:09:00] sw_bluntman: kormoc: Only AGP on this mobo. Is that going to be an issue. I see there is now an AGP 8x 6600
[03:10:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: cool, all changed, now i need to work out why one of the recordings in the recordings/ dir is not shown on the list when I go to watch pre-recorded stuff
[03:10:00] stealth: GreyFoxx, yes drop database mythconverg, let mythsetup create a new one.. same thing.. running 0.18.1-r1
[03:11:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup will create the tables, but not the database itself
[03:12:00] stealth: ok, droped database and reran mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[03:12:00] GreyFoxx: ok, that should create a blank mythconverg
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[03:14:00] stealth: I still get the same thing, and cant create a capture card.. it gives me all theoptions to but when i hit finish theres nothing there in the list
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: ummmmm
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: What version of mysql ?
[03:14:00] stealth: hmm.. 5
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: That could be your problem
[03:14:00] stealth: yea
[03:14:00] stealth: ill ago back to 4
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[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: Cause one of the columns had a name that became a reserved word in MySQL 5
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: and it could be causing your table creation to fail in the middle
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: SVN 0.18-fixes, and SVN HEAD don't have that problem, but 0.18.1 did
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[03:17:00] Kamy: anyone familiar with a WinTV pvr-500?
[03:18:00] stealth: GreyFoxx, so the SVN is mysql 5 compatable?
[03:18:00] Kamy: I've got it working mostly, but I'm not sure about the s-video connections
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[03:19:00] SerajewelKS: is there a kernel driver for the Philips Semiconductors SAA7133 (1131:7133) chipset yet?
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: stealth: yeah, and the fix was put into 0.18-fixes as well
[03:20:00] SerajewelKS: when detected, the kernel says: saa7133[0]: subsystem: 1131:0000, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: basically it was a change to a single column name I think
[03:20:00] SerajewelKS: google doesn't have a lot of info
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[03:26:00] SerajewelKS: grr, yay unsupported hardware!
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[03:28:00] fdsd: help my frontend isnt conecting to the mysql server, neither is mythsetup, any one know what I can do?
[03:29:00] red_fox_away: I just copied over the svn version of mythweb, and am getting an error about not finding program_listing.php... has stuff moved around since 0.18.1?
[03:29:00] fdsd: 2006-01–12 19:39:50.264 Unable to connect to database!
[03:29:00] fdsd: 2006-01–12 19:39:50.264 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[03:29:00] red_fox_away: fdsd, I had that once... I think I had to rebuid qt with mysql bindings
[03:29:00] red_fox_away: but that's just a guess
[03:30:00] fdsd: ah
[03:30:00] fdsd: thats what I did
[03:30:00] fdsd: I rebuilt fucking qt
[03:30:00] fdsd: damn
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[03:34:00] bronco1: fdsd: what distro are you running?
[03:34:00] fdsd: gentoo
[03:35:00] fdsd: qt wanted to upgrade mysql
[03:35:00] fdsd: so I put -mysql in the USE
[03:35:00] fdsd: and emerged qt
[03:35:00] fdsd: damn it
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[03:36:00] fdsd: this is why I wish there was more support for Macosx out there
[03:36:00] kormoc: fdsd...
[03:36:00] kormoc: fdsd, why not just say, mask mysql's newer versions?
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[03:36:00] fdsd: kormoc, wouldnt work it was requiring the newest version
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[03:36:00] kormoc: fdsd, you're wrong
[03:37:00] fdsd: kormoc, I just modified the ebuild,so hopefully it will emerge without a prob
[03:37:00] red_fox_away: mysql 5.0 doesn't work with myth 0.18.1
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[03:37:00] kormoc: fdsd, until you update your ebuild tree?
[03:37:00] kormoc: red_fox, that would be correct, it's fixed in svn
[03:37:00] fdsd: kormoc, thats fine
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[03:38:00] nasa: So has anyone any experiene with getting an ati remote working with lirc (gatos website says functionality is now in it) under Mandriva?
[03:38:00] kormoc: fdsd, if you want to be stupid about it, go for it, but it's not the distro's problem. This is why they allow /usr/portage/package.mask. Don't complain if you refuse to use the tools.
[03:38:00] fdsd: nasa, my nokia 770 is my remote, works best
[03:38:00] fdsd: kormoc, no it wanted a newer version of the mysql 4 I was using
[03:39:00] kormoc: fdsd, sure, which is why you mask it...
[03:39:00] kormoc: fdsd, what version of qt requires this newer version?
[03:39:00] fdsd: kormoc, yes but qt requires it
[03:39:00] kormoc: no
[03:39:00] fdsd: 4.1.0
[03:39:00] ** nasa wishes his remote was working **
[03:40:00] kormoc: fdsd, qt 4.1's depend is this
[03:40:00] kormoc: fdsd, mysql? ( dev-db/mysql )
[03:40:00] kormoc: fdsd, notice the lack of version
[03:40:00] kados: leave
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[03:40:00] kormoc: fdsd, it works with any version you have installed, it was just going update cause you don't have the newer ones masked.
[03:40:00] kormoc: fdsd, and second, myth is incompatable with qt 4.0+, so you're going to have issues with that as well
[03:41:00] red_fox: fdsd, you could also have done emerge qt --nodeps
[03:42:00] fdsd: kormoc, what version do you recommend then?
[03:43:00] kormoc: fdsd, I run 3.3.4-r8 quite fine
[03:43:00] kormoc: fdsd, but 3.3.5 is quite fine as well, as I know others run myth on that.
[03:44:00] fdsd: cool
[03:45:00] fdsd: good thing I backed up my database before doing any upgrades
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[03:46:00] a1fa: yo
[03:47:00] red_fox: Cardoe, you around?
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[03:57:00] stealth: I have mysql 4 now, and i dropped mythconverg, reloaded mc.sql and restarted mysql yet when I run mythsetup I get this: http://pastebin.com/507679
[03:58:00] Kelerion: got the qt mysql libs installed?
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[03:59:00] stealth: pretty sure.. how could i make sure? im using.. Gentoo
[03:59:00] Kelerion: on mine (ubuntu) it's libqt3-mt-mysql
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[04:00:00] Kelerion: I don't know anything about Gentoo
[04:01:00] Kelerion: are those errors from when you very first run mythtv-setup?
[04:02:00] red_fox: stealth, yeah you don't have the qt mysql bindings
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[04:02:00] red_fox: use="mysql" emerge qt should fix it
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[04:07:00] a1fa: yo guys
[04:07:00] squish102: has any1 encountered "remote encoder not responding" and after 10 secondes the frontend shuts down (and i have no sound) in mythtv
[04:07:00] squish102: using knoppmyth and a bttv driver
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[04:08:00] a1fa: bo
[04:08:00] a1fa: no
[04:09:00] a1fa: when I watch liveTV, and "exit" into menus.. the menus are shifted to the left
[04:09:00] a1fa: then i have to go to Setup->Display->General
[04:09:00] a1fa: and adjust offset
[04:09:00] a1fa: and then it will correct itself..
[04:09:00] a1fa: SVN version ;)
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[04:10:00] SpudGunMN: anyone able to help me with where the LiveTV cache in knoppmyth R5A30 or where on the disk it stores the data – trying to share it out for xbox but i cant find the settings
[04:12:00] a1fa: run mythtv-setup
[04:12:00] a1fa: i think its in /var/lib/data
[04:12:00] squish102: under general
[04:12:00] a1fa: by default
[04:13:00] SpudGunMN: cool thanks
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[04:16:00] cosmo_: kormoc, downgraded to 7676-r1, thing wont even load the glx module, but if I disable it, mythfrontend plays at 20% cpu. Is this the desired fix, or is the desired fix to not disable the glx module? Sorry for the dumb questions
[04:18:00] red_fox: cosmo_, what distro?
[04:19:00] SpudGunMN: i also wondering if anyone using xbmc and anything transcoded to MPEG4 ? i have no work and appears that others have the same issue but i have no answer yet... is it supported?
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[04:20:00] cosmo_: red_fox, gentoo
[04:21:00] red_fox: I had a problem with using too much cpu... it was because I built mythtv with opengl support
[04:21:00] cosmo_: hmmm....
[04:21:00] red_fox: it went down from 75% to 3–4% cpu when watching tv ;-)
[04:21:00] red_fox: evidently there is a problem with opengl support in myth and nvidia cards
[04:21:00] cosmo_: looks like I have it on too
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[04:22:00] red_fox: kormoc, are you around?
[04:22:00] cosmo_: well, kormoc told me there was a problem with nvidia and glx with dual headed setups, I just now switched to dual head
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[04:22:00] red_fox: ah that could be as well, I've never used dual head in linux
[04:22:00] cosmo_: and thats when the problems started
[04:22:00] red_fox: ok then I might be leading you down the wrong path...
[04:23:00] cosmo_: not neccessarily, no harm in recompiling ;0
[04:23:00] red_fox: hehe yeah guess not
[04:23:00] cosmo_: does opengl have any connections to glx? Im rather inexperienced with acceleration
[04:24:00] red_fox: I believe so, but I'm not sure what the specifics are
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[04:30:00] kormoc: red_fox, hihi
[04:30:00] red_fox: oh hey
[04:30:00] kormoc: cosmo_, glx is opengl
[04:31:00] red_fox: I was just going to say that the latest pre19 ebuild has problems with the mythbackend init script
[04:31:00] red_fox: don't know if that is my problem or not
[04:31:00] kormoc: red_fox, yeah, if you add in a single line, it's fixed...
[04:31:00] red_fox: ah ok
[04:31:00] red_fox: I would've asked Cardoe, but he isn't around
[04:31:00] kormoc: red_fox, if you edit it, you'll see a line with QTDIR=blahblah
[04:32:00] kormoc: red_fox, add this right under it
[04:32:00] kormoc: HOME=/etc/mythtv
[04:32:00] kormoc: and then mkdir /etc/mythtv
[04:32:00] kormoc: chown mythtv /etc/mythtv
[04:32:00] kormoc: you
[04:32:00] adante: anybody familiar with streaming recordings to windows computers?
[04:32:00] kormoc: 'll need to copy /root/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv and make sure it's readable by user mythtv
[04:33:00] red_fox: I already have chown -R mythtv /etc/mythtv
[04:33:00] red_fox: but I don't have mkdir /etc/mythtv
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[04:33:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[04:33:00] kormoc: red_fox, say again?
[04:34:00] red_fox: in the init file, it already had the chown, but no mkdir
[04:34:00] kormoc: ooh
[04:34:00] red_fox: the dir already exists, but it is empty
[04:34:00] kormoc: don't add them into the init.d file
[04:34:00] kormoc: just that HOME= line
[04:34:00] red_fox: kk
[04:34:00] red_fox: do I need to put anything in /etc/mythtv?
[04:35:00] kormoc: I recommend cp -r /root/.mythtv /etc/mythtv
[04:35:00] kormoc: so it can find the mysql.txt file
[04:35:00] red_fox: alright thanks
[04:36:00] cosmo_: kormoc, so if I remove opengl support from myth, would that dramatically reduce performance?
[04:36:00] kormoc: not really, no
[04:37:00] cosmo_: kormoc, maybe I'll try that then, I bumbed to nvidia-7676-r1, but xserv crashes unless I uncommend the glx line in the modules section, very confusing
[04:37:00] kormoc: ooh? whats it crash with?
[04:38:00] cosmo_: NVIDIA: Failed to load glx
[04:38:00] cosmo_: definitely beyond my expertise why the lower version would fail
[04:38:00] kormoc: what distro?
[04:38:00] cosmo_: gentoo
[04:39:00] kormoc: ooh, when downgrading you need to do a few extra steps
[04:39:00] kormoc: eselect opengl set xorg-x11
[04:39:00] kormoc: emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx
[04:39:00] kormoc: eselect opengl set nvidia
[04:40:00] kormoc: that will make sure it's downgraded properly
[04:40:00] cosmo_: hmm, portage did set xorg as the opengl, I didn't think twice about it
[04:41:00] cosmo_: &
[04:41:00] cosmo_: whoops, wrong window
[04:41:00] cosmo_: kormoc, thanks once again
[04:41:00] kormoc: np
[04:42:00] cosmo_: is there a particular thread that your referencing in the forums, Ive been googling for the problem
[04:42:00] cosmo_: ?
[04:42:00] kormoc: nah, just experence
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[04:42:00] SpudGunMN: if i am new to this which is better to use KnoppMyth or Fedora? i am building a backend – then connecting all front ends
[04:42:00] cosmo_: If only I didn't have college in the way, then Id ern my programming wings and contribute to this project
[04:42:00] kormoc: SpudGunMN, whichever distro you know the best
[04:43:00] SpudGunMN: k – thanks
[04:44:00] red_fox: kormoc, sorry to keep bugging you, I'm still having problems with the init script
[04:44:00] red_fox: here is the error:
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[04:44:00] red_fox: /mnt/storage/myth/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied
[04:44:00] red_fox: Unable to open lockfile!
[04:44:00] red_fox: Be sure that '/mnt/storage/myth' exists and that both
[04:44:00] red_fox: the directory and that file are writeable by this user.
[04:44:00] red_fox: it is strange, because I can touch /mnt/storage/myth/nfslockfile.lock
[04:45:00] kormoc: not as user mythtv
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[04:45:00] kormoc: chown -R myth /mnt/storage/myth
[04:45:00] hadees: So when a recording already starts you can't change the recording length so it stops like 10 mins later can you?
[04:45:00] kormoc: chmod u+rw -R /mnt/storage/myth
[04:45:00] kormoc: don't beleive so
[04:45:00] hadees: I tried it today because the nfl game ran long but I still missed the end of 24
[04:46:00] hadees: Please tell me I did it wrong because this sucks
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[04:56:00] red_fox: kormoc, ah I found the init problem
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[04:56:00] red_fox: it was wanting to use the user mythtv... I have mythuser
[04:56:00] ** kormoc nods **
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[04:57:00] Flimzy: Is there any way to get mythtv to use a user-specified file for video input rather than an actual device?
[04:58:00] kormoc: Flimzy, why would you want to?
[04:58:00] Flimzy: Not that the why really matters in answering the question...
[04:58:00] Flimzy: But because I want to do some fun things behind the scenes with the video input
[04:59:00] kormoc: so why not record it to a file and use mythvideo to play it?
[04:59:00] Flimzy: and want myth to just run an external channel changer (which I'll write), and trust that whatever data is being dumped to a file/fifo is what is on the desired channel
[04:59:00] Flimzy: Because that's completely not at all what I want to do
[04:59:00] kormoc: so you want to add filters to the input?
[04:59:00] Flimzy: not really
[05:00:00] Flimzy: I want MythTV to use a sort of 'virtual' device... that is a collection of scripts I'll write
[05:00:00] kormoc: honestly, likely if you just point the device to the file, it will read just fine, until it hits a EOF that is
[05:00:00] kormoc: but realistically, there's likely a easier way to do what you want to do
[05:00:00] Flimzy: Yeah, except it didn't do that
[05:00:00] kormoc: was it a FIFO file?
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[05:00:00] Flimzy: it complains it can't open the file to probe its inputs
[05:00:00] Flimzy: Yes
[05:01:00] kormoc: of course it can't
[05:01:00] Flimzy: well, yes, of course it can't
[05:01:00] Flimzy: so the question is... how do I get mythtv to play nice with a fifo?
[05:01:00] Flimzy: if it even can
[05:01:00] Flimzy: And honestly, I doubt there's an easier way to do what I want
[05:02:00] kormoc: did you just continue on even with that message?
[05:03:00] Flimzy: Well I can't very well continue
[05:03:00] Flimzy: since without assigning an input to a channel lineup, myth will ignore that input
[05:03:00] Flimzy: I need some sort of 'dummy' device definition, I think
[05:03:00] kormoc: set it up via the DB then
[05:03:00] Flimzy: perhaps I'll have to write one if I want it to work
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[05:04:00] Nothingman: hi, all
[05:04:00] Nothingman: wondering why my recorded shows don't show on my frontend machine, though nfs has mounted all of /myth to that machine
[05:05:00] kormoc: Nothingman, myth doesn't need the shows to be local, they will stream from the backend to the frontend
[05:05:00] Flimzy: Does myth care what format it gets from a device? If I set up a 'standard v4l' device (then change the device file to a FIFO), will myth panic when it receives an mpeg2 stream from it?
[05:05:00] Nothingman: kormoc: then it must be something else; the listing of recorded shows doesn't even come up
[05:05:00] kormoc: Flimzy, it will try to reencode it from raw frames to a mpeg4 or rtjpeg, so it would likely screw it up
[05:06:00] kormoc: Nothingman, can the frontend connect to the backend and the database?
[05:06:00] Nothingman: kormoc: last I knew
[05:07:00] Flimzy: kormoc: okay. So I need to use a definition for a device that does native mpeg2
[05:10:00] Flimzy: kormoc: How would I 'set it up via the DB' as you suggest?
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[05:10:00] Nothingman: kormoc: if I couldn't mythfrontend wouldn't run, right?
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[05:12:00] kormoc: Nothingman, it shouldn't, aye
[05:12:00] kormoc: Flimzy, I would set it up to use video0 and then in the db, change that to the fifo
[05:13:00] Flimzy: kormoc: oic
[05:13:00] Flimzy: kormoc: After the initial setup, does mythtv do any additional probing of the device? (which would fail, and thus confuse it further)?
[05:13:00] kormoc: not that I can recall
[05:14:00] Flimzy: perhaps it would be easier yet to set up the device as a symlink
[05:14:00] Flimzy: then in my custom channel-changing script, zap the symlink and set up the fifo right then
[05:14:00] Flimzy: then restore the symlink after the operation
[05:14:00] kormoc: sure
[05:14:00] kormoc: that would work as well
[05:14:00] Flimzy: then myth won't be confused if I ever rerun the config
[05:15:00] Nothingman: kormoc: so what else could be affecting it?
[05:15:00] Flimzy: now to learn how to write a channel-changing script
[05:15:00] Flimzy: hehe
[05:15:00] Flimzy: IIRC, it just takes the channel # as input
[05:15:00] kormoc: Nothingman, donno
[05:15:00] kormoc: tis da odd
[05:15:00] Flimzy: that will save some overhead anyway... b/c for several channels, I will be using the device directly
[05:16:00] Flimzy: and wont' have to bother with using a fifo for thsoe channels
[05:16:00] Flimzy: I can just use the symlink
[05:16:00] Flimzy: spiff!
[05:16:00] Flimzy: er... and then again, maybe not
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[05:19:00] jadams: I'm running a tv-out on my left screen at 640x480 and a CRT on my right screen, xinerama...I've got myth running on the tv, but when I play a video it runs mplayer on the right screen, which really cramps my style...any help?
[05:20:00] cosmo_: another stupid question, Ive got all the nvidia glx issues fixed now thanks to kormoc, but now qt fonts are too big, they overlap in mythtfrontend, and the font setting in the menu doesn't change the size. The font on kdm also appears large. Anyone have any ideas?
[05:20:00] kormoc: rm -rf ~/.qt fixes that for myself usually
[05:21:00] cosmo_: kormoc, thanks again ;)
[05:21:00] kormoc: np :)
[05:21:00] cosmo_: hmm, but kdm, certainly it wouldn't get settings from home folder...? ah well, I;; try
[05:21:00] kormoc: donno bout that one
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[05:22:00] cosmo_: crap, no good, a googling I go
[05:25:00] \Grooby\: can't wait for 0.19.....
[05:25:00] \Grooby\: QAM
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[05:26:00] nbcthreat: Anyone help with what might be a mysql problem?
[05:27:00] nbcthreat: I get the following when starting mythbackend "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed"
[05:27:00] nbcthreat: This is the initial install on Gentoo.
[05:27:00] \Grooby\: u using QT4?
[05:28:00] nbcthreat: hmm...
[05:28:00] nbcthreat: no
[05:28:00] nbcthreat: 3.3.4
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[05:28:00] \Grooby\: hmmmm
[05:28:00] \Grooby\: ok
[05:28:00] Flimzy: hrmph
[05:28:00] Flimzy: I need to get the 6200ch program to work on different ports
[05:28:00] Flimzy: that may be a bit icky
[05:29:00] \Grooby\: never encounter the problem.....but I do use gentoo here
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[05:29:00] nbcthreat: Hmm.
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: I'm using HD-3000
[05:29:00] \Grooby\: sames here
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: Really?
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: So there's hope.
[05:29:00] Flimzy: I'll probably just hack it, and run two independent binaries
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: I'm using the gentoo wiki
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: it's not great.
[05:29:00] \Grooby\: everything works great here...so far using OTA and 2 PVRs
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: Nice.
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: so...
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: here's a question.
[05:29:00] nbcthreat: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_TV_Input_for_MythTV
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: right
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: I can watch DTV using the test method mentioned there.
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: But HDTV crashes mplayer
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: symptom?
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: that's fine
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: well..actually
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: normal?
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: when you run azap -r <channel>
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: do you get the lock message?
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: My display is 1024x768
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: Yes.
[05:30:00] nbcthreat: It works.
[05:30:00] \Grooby\: ok
[05:31:00] \Grooby\: if mplayer crashes, don't worry too much about it
[05:31:00] nbcthreat: ok.
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[05:31:00] nbcthreat: You know, everything seems to configure okay.
[05:31:00] \Grooby\: when you run mythtv-setup and do channel scan
[05:31:00] nbcthreat: But watching TV doesn't work.
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[05:31:00] nbcthreat: on mythtv
[05:31:00] nbcthreat: yes?
[05:31:00] \Grooby\: you were able to scan the dvb right?
[05:31:00] nbcthreat: yes.
[05:31:00] nbcthreat: and it worked.
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[05:32:00] \Grooby\: did you also ran the script that merges datadirect channel and your channel scans?
[05:32:00] red_fox: is anybody here using firewire for hdtv input?
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: hmm....
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: I don't think so.
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: What's it called?
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: I just followed the instructions here.
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#mythsetup
[05:32:00] \Grooby\: hdtvscan2dd.pl
[05:32:00] nbcthreat: nope.
[05:32:00] \Grooby\: yeah..i used that and also added the HD3K stuff myself
[05:32:00] \Grooby\: but i can't find a place to host that perl script
[05:33:00] nbcthreat: Ah. good find then.
[05:33:00] nbcthreat: Hmm....
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[05:33:00] \Grooby\: hold on...i got an idea
[05:33:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:33:00] nbcthreat: I don't see that script on my system.
[05:33:00] cosmo_: font problem fixed, fix was to define DisplaySize paramteter in xorg.conf
[05:33:00] \Grooby\: someone in this channel wrote it
[05:33:00] \Grooby\: :)
[05:33:00] nbcthreat: nice.
[05:35:00] nbcthreat: standing by
[05:35:00] \Grooby\: check your message
[05:36:00] nbcthreat: ?
[05:36:00] \Grooby\: i just /msg you
[05:36:00] \Grooby\: dunno if you got the url
[05:36:00] nbcthreat: hmm.
[05:37:00] nbcthreat: don't see it.
[05:37:00] \Grooby\: http://www.linsvilla.com/hdtvscan2dd.pl
[05:37:00] nbcthreat: got it
[05:37:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:37:00] nbcthreat: so
[05:37:00] \Grooby\: less that file
[05:37:00] \Grooby\: it will tell you how to merge your dvb scan with your datadirect OTA info
[05:38:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:38:00] \Grooby\: but you HAVE to follow it step by step
[05:38:00] \Grooby\: i try to merge the steps and it does not work
[05:38:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
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[05:38:00] nbcthreat: ok.
[05:38:00] nbcthreat: executing
[05:39:00] nbcthreat: so..
[05:40:00] nbcthreat: where do you create a profil in mythsetup?
[05:40:00] nbcthreat: e
[05:40:00] \Grooby\: channels
[05:41:00] nbcthreat: is this in the frontend setup?
[05:42:00] \Grooby\: no
[05:42:00] \Grooby\: you need to terminate front end
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[05:42:00] \Grooby\: and run mythtv-setup
[05:42:00] nbcthreat: right
[05:42:00] nbcthreat: I'm in there
[05:42:00] \Grooby\: within X
[05:42:00] nbcthreat: under channels
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[05:42:00] nbcthreat: I see sort mode: video source:
[05:42:00] EnterUserName: what season is 24 nowadays?
[05:42:00] nbcthreat: scan for channels, advanced
[05:42:00] EnterUserName: what season is this of 2
[05:42:00] EnterUserName: 24
[05:43:00] \Grooby\: channel is the last option right?
[05:43:00] nbcthreat: yes.
[05:43:00] \Grooby\: what is the 3rd option in mythtv-setup?
[05:43:00] \Grooby\: profile?
[05:43:00] nbcthreat: Or Channel Editor
[05:43:00] nbcthreat: no.
[05:43:00] nbcthreat: 1. general, 2. capture cards, 3. video sources. 4. Input connections 5. Channel Editor
[05:43:00] \Grooby\: ok
[05:43:00] \Grooby\: video source
[05:43:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:44:00] nbcthreat: got it
[05:45:00] \Grooby\: here's the problem w/ this script
[05:45:00] \Grooby\: you have to clear out all your channel info first
[05:45:00] \Grooby\: and have only HDTV (DD) and HDTV (scan)
[05:45:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:45:00] nbcthreat: can do
[05:46:00] nbcthreat: how do I delete the old ones?
[05:46:00] nbcthreat: just have it delete everything at the beginning of the setup?
[05:46:00] \Grooby\: yeah
[05:46:00] \Grooby\: :(
[05:46:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:46:00] nbcthreat: doing that
[05:46:00] nbcthreat: no biggie
[05:46:00] \Grooby\: I assume you have a new box anyway..so it's almost like start from scratch
[05:47:00] nbcthreat: Yeah.
[05:47:00] \Grooby\: (supposely 0.19 can do QAM scan...can't wait for it)
[05:47:00] xris: anyone here have a PSP and want to test the PSP exporter for nuvexport for me?
[05:48:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:48:00] nbcthreat: it says "Associate the "scan" profile with your air2pc tuner card
[05:48:00] nbcthreat: "
[05:48:00] nbcthreat: Where do I do that?
[05:48:00] \Grooby\: 4th option
[05:48:00] nbcthreat: got it
[05:48:00] \Grooby\: input connection
[05:49:00] nbcthreat: OK
[05:49:00] nbcthreat: so I'm following these instructions exactly.
[05:49:00] \Grooby\: you have only hd3k right?
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[05:49:00] nbcthreat: yes
[05:50:00] \Grooby\: ok
[05:50:00] nbcthreat: Shoudl I be worried about this message I get at the beginning all the time? "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[05:51:00] nbcthreat: It's working by the way.
[05:51:00] nbcthreat: mythfilldatabase
[05:51:00] \Grooby\: if it works, don't worry about it
[05:51:00] \Grooby\: hehehehe
[05:51:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:53:00] nbcthreat: scanning now
[05:53:00] \Grooby\: :)
[05:53:00] \Grooby\: what CPU u got?
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: now that I've found someone who's actually gotten this working, I'll probably sty on until I can get the damn thing up.
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: P4 2.4G
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: HT
[05:54:00] \Grooby\: ok
[05:54:00] \Grooby\: once you have it up, you gotta tell me what your load is watching HD
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: ok
[05:54:00] \Grooby\: my system load jumps up to 6
[05:54:00] \Grooby\: which is really high
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: 6?
[05:54:00] xris: ok, new PSP-friendlier (hopefully) nuvexport just posted.
[05:54:00] nbcthreat: 6%?
[05:55:00] \Grooby\: no no..system load avg of 6+
[05:55:00] nbcthreat: hmm...
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[05:55:00] nbcthreat: not familiar with that measure
[05:55:00] \Grooby\: ok....
[05:55:00] \Grooby\: xris...wish I can get a PSP....
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[05:55:00] xris: \Grooby\: I'm not even that far...
[05:55:00] xris: just got a ps1 the other week (well, free from a friend)
[05:56:00] \Grooby\: hehehehe
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: I'm using a Palm TX for video now.
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: After having cycled through first the TX, then a Dell Axim X50v
[05:56:00] \Grooby\: got an old PS1 and a Dreamcast
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: then a pansonic toughbook cf-M34
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: then a Nokia 770
[05:56:00] \Grooby\: hahahahaha
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: :-D
[05:56:00] nbcthreat: It's been a busy month.
[05:57:00] \Grooby\: someone posted on the news group asking about using nokia 770 as the front end
[05:57:00] \Grooby\: got me searching on ebay for a cheap tablet pc
[05:57:00] \Grooby\: lol
[05:57:00] nbcthreat: Love the 770, but it's shit for video.
[05:57:00] nbcthreat: Great for web.
[05:57:00] nbcthreat: But the TX, for $100 cheaper, is substantially better with video.
[05:57:00] \Grooby\: hehehe....i'll stay with my umm......errr..palm III
[05:57:00] \Grooby\: j/k
[05:57:00] nbcthreat: 81% on the scan
[05:58:00] \Grooby\: w00t
[05:58:00] ** xris has "brain, 1.0" **
[05:58:00] \Grooby\: lol
[05:58:00] nbcthreat: You can't do video on that!
[05:59:00] nbcthreat: Oh, 2GB SD cards are now $110
[05:59:00] \Grooby\: brain 1.0 is the best for video
[05:59:00] nbcthreat: on pricewatch
[05:59:00] nbcthreat: amazing
[05:59:00] \Grooby\: it auto fill in blanks
[05:59:00] \Grooby\: and has this wonderful module call "imagination"
[05:59:00] xris: nbcthreat: with the right drugs (or deep enough meditation), you can get great video
[05:59:00] nbcthreat: good point
[05:59:00] nbcthreat: ok, ready to run script
[05:59:00] xris: nuvexport work done for the evening. off to watch tv..
[06:00:00] xris: afk
[06:00:00] nbcthreat: hm.
[06:00:00] nbcthreat: ok
[06:00:00] cosmo_: ironic.....
[06:00:00] nbcthreat: ran the script
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[06:00:00] Cardoe: red_fox: ping
[06:00:00] Cardoe: kormoc: ping
[06:00:00] red_fox: Cardoe, oh hey
[06:00:00] \Grooby\: ok
[06:00:00] red_fox: I was going to say that I was having problems with the mythbackend init script
[06:00:00] Cardoe: red_fox: gonna be around in a little bit?
[06:00:00] red_fox: not sure if you handle that or not
[06:00:00] \Grooby\: ifi you run mythtv-setup again
[06:00:00] Cardoe: red_fox: what's the issue?
[06:00:00] \Grooby\: you should only have HDTV (DD)
[06:01:00] red_fox: eh I'm heading to bed soon
[06:01:00] red_fox: it ends up that it was wanting user mythtv
[06:01:00] red_fox: I have mythuser
[06:01:00] red_fox: not sure what the default is
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[06:01:00] nbcthreat: looking
[06:01:00] Cardoe: red_fox: mythtv
[06:01:00] Cardoe: red_fox: the ebuild should create that user.
[06:02:00] nbcthreat: yeah.
[06:02:00] nbcthreat: I only have HDTV (DD)
[06:02:00] nbcthreat: now what?
[06:02:00] nbcthreat: run mythbackend and mythfrontend?
[06:02:00] red_fox: Cardoe, ah ok... then the problem was that my mythtv folder was set with permissions for mythuser
[06:02:00] red_fox: so my problem, not yours ;-)
[06:02:00] \Grooby\: yup
[06:02:00] \Grooby\: and see if you can watch live tv
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: " taking too long to be allowed to read..
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: "
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: says the frontend in terminal
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again...
[06:03:00] \Grooby\: hmmmmm
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: backend says DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second.
[06:03:00] nbcthreat: over and over
[06:03:00] \Grooby\: wierd
[06:04:00] \Grooby\: can you change to a different channel?
[06:04:00] \Grooby\: or shift your antenna?
[06:04:00] nbcthreat: It won't let me change channels.
[06:04:00] nbcthreat: I'm going to do a rescan.
[06:04:00] \Grooby\: ok
[06:05:00] Cardoe: red_fox: the initscript should create it
[06:05:00] Cardoe: red_fox: which folder were you using?
[06:05:00] Cardoe: red_fox: oh the folder where all the recordings are?
[06:05:00] nbcthreat: maybe cut it down to the channels that I can actually get.
[06:05:00] nbcthreat: remove the variables.
[06:05:00] \Grooby\: oh yeah
[06:05:00] nbcthreat: So the only channels in there are ones that I can lock on.
[06:05:00] \Grooby\: i only have the channels that I know I can receive checked on zap2it
[06:06:00] nbcthreat: Ah.
[06:06:00] nbcthreat: Not here.
[06:06:00] nbcthreat: I should do that.
[06:06:00] \Grooby\: try it again and see
[06:06:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
[06:07:00] nbcthreat: But I figured I'd get it working first.
[06:07:00] nbcthreat: scanning still
[06:07:00] \Grooby\: (WETA PBS has some good shows)
[06:08:00] nbcthreat: yeah.
[06:08:00] nbcthreat: It does
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[06:09:00] \Grooby\: didn't know about it til recently....start recording some of the their HD programs..hehe
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[06:09:00] SerajewelKS: i cannot seem to get my tuner card to work, i've tried modprobing saa7134 with many different cards, and i can get it in a semi-working state
[06:09:00] nbcthreat: you in DC?
[06:10:00] SerajewelKS: semi-working as in, for composite input it displays one frame and never updates again, gui is laggy, etc
[06:10:00] \Grooby\: yeah I am
[06:10:00] \Grooby\: you?
[06:11:00] nbcthreat: yeah
[06:11:00] \Grooby\: lol
[06:11:00] SerajewelKS: kernel is 2.6.12
[06:12:00] nbcthreat: Hm.
[06:12:00] nbcthreat: Can I just try a "scan" profile
[06:12:00] nbcthreat: without listings?
[06:13:00] nbcthreat: to make sure that watching TV works?
[06:13:00] \Grooby\: nope..you had to do those steps over
[06:13:00] \Grooby\: :(
[06:14:00] nbcthreat: hmm.
[06:14:00] nbcthreat: So... I set up a second profile.
[06:14:00] nbcthreat: A "scan" profile.
[06:14:00] \Grooby\: scan profile and a dd profile
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: right
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: Can I just try out the scan profile?
[06:15:00] \Grooby\: dd profile should only have the channels that you know works
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: Right.
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: Ok.
[06:15:00] \Grooby\: as far as i know..no
[06:15:00] \Grooby\: :(
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: Can I set up the scan profile, delete the dd profile?
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: And then try to watch TV?
[06:15:00] \Grooby\: but you can't d/l the program guide
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: That's fine.
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: For now.
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: Just want to see if TV works.
[06:15:00] nbcthreat: because it hasn't yet.
[06:15:00] \Grooby\: and i think mythfilldata base does something else that's required for live tv
[06:16:00] nbcthreat: hmm.
[06:16:00] nbcthreat: well, I've never gotten anything but the "no signal from card" error
[06:16:00] \Grooby\: hmmmmm
[06:17:00] \Grooby\: just out of curiousity...where are you located in DC area?
[06:17:00] nbcthreat: arlington
[06:17:00] \Grooby\: i am at Alexandria near Ft. Belvoir
[06:17:00] \Grooby\: so I point my antenna north
[06:17:00] nbcthreat: Yeah.
[06:17:00] nbcthreat: same here.
[06:17:00] \Grooby\: you might have to point ENE
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: hmm.
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: Interesting.
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: We'll see what comes out of this scan.
[06:18:00] \Grooby\: btw
[06:18:00] \Grooby\: maybe the mplayer crashing is you are not getting good enough signals??!
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: meh
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: I don't think so.
[06:18:00] \Grooby\: (then again you have lock..so it shouldn't be a problem)
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: I get a solid lock.
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: Exactly.
[06:18:00] nbcthreat: It only crashes with HD
[06:19:00] nbcthreat: DTV is fine.
[06:19:00] nbcthreat: beautiful in fact.
[06:19:00] \Grooby\: DTV?
[06:19:00] \Grooby\: like regular channels?
[06:19:00] nbcthreat: Yes, non high-def.
[06:19:00] nbcthreat: Just digital.
[06:19:00] \Grooby\: ahhh
[06:19:00] \Grooby\: i don't even tune to DTV
[06:19:00] \Grooby\: didn't even know you can tune to DTV
[06:19:00] nbcthreat: :-)
[06:20:00] \Grooby\: i just use cable box for regular channel....
[06:20:00] nbcthreat: right.
[06:20:00] nbcthreat: damn.
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[06:20:00] nbcthreat: I think I'm going to have to go back out and delete
[06:20:00] nbcthreat: start over.
[06:20:00] \Grooby\: *nod*
[06:24:00] nbcthreat: scanning again
[06:24:00] nbcthreat: sans any dd linkage
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[06:25:00] \Grooby\: *sleepy*
[06:28:00] nbcthreat: I tilted further north and seem to be getting more channels
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: that's good
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: what about mplayer?
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: getting anything while with azap running?
[06:28:00] nbcthreat: nope
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: hmmm
[06:28:00] nbcthreat: I haven't tried
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: ahh ok
[06:28:00] \Grooby\: give it a try if you can
[06:28:00] nbcthreat: how?
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[06:29:00] SpudGunMN: anyone got experence with XBMC-XBMCMYTHTV? spicifically live TV stops after 2–4 seconds
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[06:31:00] nbcthreat: Hmm...
[06:31:00] nbcthreat: It seems like it's locked up.
[06:31:00] nbcthreat: During the scan.
[06:32:00] \Grooby\: hmmmmm
[06:32:00] Kamy: how can I force myth to use one tuner or another for recording?
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[06:32:00] SpudGunMN: Kamy set priority
[06:33:00] Kamy: priorty in mythtv-setup?
[06:33:00] nbcthreat: damn
[06:33:00] nbcthreat: still giving me the #0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second.
[06:34:00] nbcthreat: grrr.
[06:34:00] Kamy: SpudGunMN: I'm not sure I understand, I have a digital feed from my cablebox, and an analog feed also
[06:34:00] \Grooby\: hmmmm
[06:35:00] Kamy: the digital feed has a lot more channels
[06:35:00] nbcthreat: crap
[06:35:00] \Grooby\: is your hd3k sharing IRQ as other device?
[06:35:00] \Grooby\: cat /proc/interrupts
[06:35:00] mishehu: one of these days I need to get my pchdtv3k working properly.
[06:36:00] SpudGunMN: - i dont know much about mythtv yet, but i do know that in my reading about setup you can assign priority to which card is used
[06:36:00] SpudGunMN: i was looking thru my links for where i read that
[06:36:00] SpudGunMN: but havent found it yet
[06:36:00] nbcthreat: crap
[06:36:00] nbcthreat: no.
[06:36:00] nbcthreat: different IRQs
[06:36:00] \Grooby\: hmmmm
[06:36:00] \Grooby\: that's really wierd...
[06:36:00] nbcthreat: yeah
[06:37:00] Kamy: SpudGunMN: Yea, I've seen a reference to that also, that would be fine if both feeds were equal I suppose
[06:37:00] nbcthreat: any way other than mplayer?
[06:37:00] nbcthreat: to try it out
[06:37:00] \Grooby\: hmmmmmm
[06:38:00] \Grooby\: maybe xine?
[06:38:00] \Grooby\: are you mplayer DTV or HDTV?
[06:38:00] Kamy: but I don't want my analog feed tuner to try and record a show on the digital channels, I'm not even sure it would record
[06:38:00] Kamy: if all it saw was snow
[06:38:00] nbcthreat: dunno?
[06:38:00] \Grooby\: do you have weta-dt in your channel.conf?
[06:38:00] nbcthreat: let me look
[06:38:00] nbcthreat: this might be a clue
[06:39:00] nbcthreat: DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[06:39:00] \Grooby\: yeah
[06:39:00] \Grooby\: that's filled in via mythfilldatabase
[06:39:00] nbcthreat: Ahhhh.
[06:40:00] nbcthreat: ok
[06:40:00] nbcthreat: looks like I have to do this for real.
[06:40:00] nbcthreat: using your program I assume.
[06:40:00] \Grooby\: yup
[06:40:00] \Grooby\: there's no other way
[06:40:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
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[06:44:00] SpudGunMN: here is the answer to the Live TV fail after a few seconds BTW http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread . . . um_id=436331
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[06:56:00] \Grooby\: alrighty..i am crashing..good luck
[06:58:00] nbcthreat: night
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[07:00:00] dagfinnr: anyone awake?
[07:02:00] travolta-: yes
[07:03:00] cosmo_: im suddenly having a very odd problem with aspect ratios. On fill, it fills the screen but crops nearly a quarter of the video on either side, when the aspect override is off, the screen is only about 1/3 the height of my screen
[07:03:00] cosmo_: where should I look to resolve this issue, does mythfrontend look for parameters set by the DisplaySize setting in xorg.conf?
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[07:05:00] dagfinnr: how can i search for / tune channels?
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[07:07:00] dagfinnr: ive tried many freq's but i always get cartoon network :/
[07:10:00] dagfinnr: anyone?
[07:20:00] Kamy: dagfinnr: do you have a video source set up? Like Zap2it or something that feeds you a program guide?
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[07:22:00] dagfinnr: i did the mythfilldatabase --manual
[07:22:00] dagfinnr: zap2it doesent work in norway i think
[07:22:00] Kamy: probably not ;)
[07:23:00] Kamy: whatever your video source is, you have to set your tuner to use it in the input connections settings of mythtv-setup
[07:24:00] dagfinnr: yeah, all this is ok and up and running, its the tune process, is there a way to auto detect channels?
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[07:25:00] Kamy: oh, that I'm not sure about, I'm a new mythtv user
[07:25:00] Kamy: just completed building/configuring my first box
[07:25:00] Kamy: And I know nothing about linux
[07:26:00] dagfinnr: same here ..
[07:26:00] Kamy: I don't think there is a auto detect feature for setting up tunable channels
[07:27:00] Kamy: maybe that should go into a feature request for the next release ;)
[07:27:00] Kamy: what flavor of linux are you using?
[07:28:00] dagfinnr: fedora
[07:28:00] dagfinnr: if i use ivtv-tune -f[feq] , the frontend changes to the given freq ,and everything is ok
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[07:29:00] dagfinnr:
[07:30:00] Kamy: I bet the kids love it, cartoon network on every channel!
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[07:30:00] dagfinnr: hehe
[07:30:00] jadams: I can't get xine as my dvd player to run on the correct screen (dual monitor xinerama setup. One monitor is the tv-out, the other is a CRT)
[07:31:00] dagfinnr: hm
[07:31:00] jadams: I've tried the following line: xine -pfhq --no-splash --geometry 640x480+1280+0 dvd://
[07:31:00] dagfinnr: are you going to use that as a permanent solution jadams? i mean two screens?
[07:31:00] jadams: dag: yes
[07:31:00] dagfinnr: ok
[07:32:00] dagfinnr: i solved that just using the tv :)
[07:32:00] jadams: heh
[07:32:00] Kamy: dagfinner: I'm using knoppmyth, you might have some luck searching the forums there, http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/
[07:32:00] Kamy: lot of info there
[07:33:00] jadams: my ultimate goal for this project involved adding an lcd panel to replace this CRT, framing it so I can have it just display a flickr feed when it's not in use, and getting steam / macromedia freehand running on it
[07:33:00] Kamy: g'nite all
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[07:33:00] dagfinnr: knite kamy
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[07:33:00] dagfinnr: gnite even
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[07:48:00] xvalentinex: it starts fine if I run it from command line, but init spits errors at me about not being able to read the mysql.txt
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[07:54:00] dagfinnr: how do i enter the frequencies? i have tried almost every way.. is it in mhz or what?
[07:55:00] Arkkis_: E2 etc
[07:55:00] Arkkis_: I think xawtv has an scan feature that could help you out
[07:56:00] dagfinnr: Arkkis_: in my list i have only in mhz + (S)X
[07:57:00] Arkkis_: +(S)X ???
[07:57:00] dagfinnr: yeah.. some are listed at S 9 , S 8 .. K 4 ..etc
[07:58:00] Arkkis_: well, I had problems entering the channel positions in my analog tv card, until I realised that it wanted the codes in E2, E3, etc type format that xawtv uses, so I had to first get xawtv running
[07:58:00] Arkkis_: ah
[07:58:00] dagfinnr: seems like K equals to E
[07:58:00] dagfinnr: what does S equals to then :P
[07:58:00] Arkkis_: try the S9, S8 type format
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[08:00:00] dagfinnr: entering S[something] seems like not working
[08:00:00] dagfinnr: E[something] works, and seems to be equal to K[something] in my list from upc
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[08:02:00] dagfinnr: do you have anything else than E .. like another char?
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[08:08:00] topping: isn't the browsable flag in video manager supposed to toggle whether a video is visible in the 'watch videos' display?
[08:09:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[08:10:00] dagfinnr: but i had to turn on the filter too
[08:11:00] topping: ic, thanks
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[08:18:00] kormoc: Cardoe, pong
[08:18:00] kormoc: Cardoe, heading to bed tho, I'll be back tomorrow
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[08:18:00] dagfinnr: its kindof weird, every E[somethign] freq works, and 30–50, but theres just snow on the last ones, every else i cant get anything on ..
[08:18:00] adrock_: hey is there a way that you can adjust overscan and image positioning while viewing the image?
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[08:43:00] Pitchin_uk: Im having problems running the backend from the system runlevel – i cant enable the service.
[08:46:00] Pitchin_uk: it says "/etc/init.d/mythbackend start returned 2 (invalid or excess arguments)"
[08:47:00] dasOp: even when you start it manually?
[08:49:00] Pitchin_uk: it works fine if in the konsole i type mythbackend. it doesn't like it if i type mythbackend start
[08:50:00] Pitchin_uk: it says start is an unknown switch
[08:55:00] adrock_: which linux distro?
[08:55:00] Pitchin_uk: suse
[08:56:00] adrock_: hmm
[08:56:00] adrock_: i use ubuntu with the binary packages
[08:56:00] adrock_: the startup scripts jfw
[08:56:00] adrock_: maybe grab another startup script for something simple
[08:57:00] adrock_: and modify it to start mythbackend instead?
[08:58:00] Pitchin_uk: out of interest the stop service script works
[08:58:00] adrock_: the init.d scripts myth uses are pretty generic
[08:59:00] adrock_: there's probably some weird incompatibility between then and something suse
[08:59:00] adrock_: i'd retrofit another suse supplied init script
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[09:08:00] dasOp: pitching: try "sh -x /etc/init.d/mythbackend start"
[09:08:00] dasOp: that ought to show where it borks
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[09:25:00] Gumby: anyone have any idea how to fix this. "Can't locate mythtv/recordings.pm in @INC"
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[09:52:00] xvalentinex: Pitchin_uk, just had the same problem
[09:53:00] xvalentinex: Go here http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/contrib/Attic/ and download the suse.etc.init.d.mythbackend
[09:53:00] xvalentinex: rename it mythbackend and move it to /etc/init.d/
[09:54:00] xvalentinex: doh, he's gone
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[10:08:00] juski: xvalentinex: I'll try to make sure he sees it
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[10:08:00] xvalentinex: thanks
[10:09:00] Merlin83b2: juski: Improvmenets continue to happen – I posted to the users list about the problem I was having. Apparently SVN was broken for a few revisions. Working better now.
[10:09:00] juski: so is mythtv okay on suse apart from the default init script not working ?
[10:09:00] Merlin83b2: Recompiled last night with --enable-proc-opts so we'll see if the prebuffering pauses are totally gone.
[10:10:00] xvalentinex: seems to be working fine
[10:10:00] juski: Merlin83b2: yyeah I saw that. I'll bump my ubuntu box up to a newer svn soon
[10:10:00] xvalentinex: don't get my video tuners till wednesday, but everything else is working great
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[10:11:00] juski: xvalentinex: cool – I'd heard mythtv was a royal pain on suse.. but you've got the joy of making tuners work on it next ;)
[10:11:00] xvalentinex: lol, yeah it's been an experiencs
[10:11:00] xvalentinex: *experience
[10:11:00] dasOp: never had a problem *except* for gettin the tuner working properly, with sound
[10:13:00] xvalentinex: the main thing has just been that files are located in different places
[10:14:00] xvalentinex: if you know your way around suse, then it's fine
[10:27:00] juski: Merlin83b2: the system I've got SVN on is an athlon800 – would enabling proc-opts do anything for me? never quite understoood all that malarkey
[10:28:00] Merlin83b2: Nor me, it was a guess to get rid of a few remaining prebuffering pauses. Figured it couldn't hurt :-)
[10:28:00] Merlin83b2: I like the sounds of the ./configure --help output for it in any case.
[10:29:00] Merlin83b2: I didn't check too closely, but it does -O3 if you turn it on, not sure what if you don't.
[10:29:00] juski: I'll have a look at the script then
[10:29:00] Merlin83b2: Looking in the makefile now.
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[10:30:00] Merlin83b2: Hmm, -O3 seems to be on in any case.
[10:30:00] juski: what diff. would that make?
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[10:31:00] Merlin83b2: More optimisation in the code.
[10:31:00] Merlin83b2: Hmm, perhaps I should be telling it I have a c3.
[10:31:00] Merlin83b2: Instead of i586.
[10:31:00] Merlin83b2: i586 doesn't seem to include mmx...
[10:31:00] juski: right.. but if optimisations are in there and your CPU doesn't have em.. that'd be bad, right?
[10:32:00] Merlin83b2: I believe so, yes :-)
[10:33:00] Merlin83b2: For instance, when installing KnoppMyth first time up I chose i686 and it all fell apart.
[10:33:00] Merlin83b2: Had to reinstall.
[10:33:00] Merlin83b2: Okay, I need to recompile. Again.
[10:34:00] Merlin83b2: c3–2 for me as it's a m10000
[10:36:00] juski: heh
[10:36:00] ** juski does man proc-opts (finds out about them somehow anyway) **
[10:37:00] Merlin83b2: Let me know when you do :-)
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[10:46:00] Merlin83b2: juski: Look in configure and find proc_opt. Around line 1323 it seems if it's set to no it'll optimise?
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[10:55:00] juski: hmm.. what's an athlon800 chip gonna be then? athlon-tbird?
[10:57:00] Merlin83b2: Just athlon, I think.
[10:57:00] Merlin83b2: The athlons all seem to belong in the two (mmx, cmov) groups anyway.
[10:58:00] Merlin83b2: I'm just confused by proc-opt seeming to be backwards to what I'd expect.
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[11:25:00] Merlin83b2: Nice! SVN records the entire show you've been watching if you hit R (aliased to the record button on my remote control)
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[11:40:00] [Elvis]: can anyone help me...when I select picture in picture my keyboard hangs
[11:40:00] [Elvis]: like I can't control anything anymore
[11:41:00] juski: cd /
[11:42:00] juski: [Elvis]: do you have more than 1 tuner?
[11:42:00] [Elvis]: yeah juski
[11:42:00] juski: or are you using SVN?
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[11:42:00] [Elvis]: no
[11:42:00] [Elvis]: don't even know what SVN i
[11:42:00] [Elvis]: :p
[11:42:00] juski: erm.. don't use PiP then ;)
[11:42:00] [Elvis]: why not?
[11:42:00] ** stuarta wonders if that was how the keyboard stopped working last night **
[11:43:00] juski: my argument would be that you can only really concentrate on one thing at a time when it comes to TV
[11:43:00] [Elvis]: well that's true
[11:43:00] [Elvis]: but can I remove it from the menu's then somehow?
[11:43:00] juski: try running 2 mythfrontends in windows small enough to fit both on the screen
[11:43:00] [Elvis]: cuz if it freezes my system I rather remove it
[11:44:00] juski: never froze my system, even on a crappy 800mhz CPU
[11:44:00] [Elvis]: well
[11:44:00] [Elvis]: it freezes my keyboard input
[11:44:00] juski: only used it to quickly check both my tuners work
[11:44:00] [Elvis]: except for ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:45:00] juski: right.. but does the video freeze?
[11:45:00] juski: I mean is it just locking the keyboard out or does the whole system freeze?
[11:45:00] adante: hrm
[11:45:00] juski: ah sorry... I don't see how that coould be mythtv's fault
[11:46:00] stuarta: juski: quite easy to program a problem like that
[11:46:00] juski: stuarta: if you're suggesting it's a bug in 0.18 I've never seen it
[11:47:00] stuarta: 0.18! Nah, bleeding edge me.
[11:47:00] stuarta: Did something last night to get the same symptom (ie. keyboard not responding)
[11:47:00] juski: I think the future of PiP is in the balance anyway due to the livetv workings changing so much
[11:47:00] stuarta: but dunno what i pressed.
[11:48:00] stuarta: Danielk did some pip work recently.
[11:48:00] juski: no point me saying I wouldn't miss PiP or livetv ;)
[11:49:00] stuarta: I have enough trouble trying to watch what I do record.
[11:50:00] juski: yeh.. keeping up is hard to do
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[11:51:00] stuarta: timestretch is helpful :-)
[11:51:00] juski: yeh.. I managed to watch 2 shows at 2x yesterday (they were slow)
[11:52:00] stuarta: kickstart is giving me the willies.
[11:54:00] stuarta: refusing to play the game my way :(
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[12:09:00] adante: heard the average rate for mpeg2 recordings was ~2gb/hour... i'm averaging over 3.5 for a 704x576 stream.. is myth pickup up some extra data somewhere?
[12:09:00] stuarta: have you lots of audio streams?
[12:10:00] adante: there's 2 i think
[12:11:00] stuarta: just had a look at mine, 30min=1gb Movie, 1h44 1.6gb
[12:11:00] stuarta: but then another movie 2h13, 4.4gb
[12:12:00] dasOp: thats vbr for ya
[12:12:00] stuarta: yep.
[12:12:00] dasOp: size of the recording will depend on the complexity of what you're recording
[12:12:00] adante: hurr, hardly seems variable on my system :|
[12:12:00] stuarta: adante: I'd say that's about right.
[12:12:00] adante: seems to be capping at the ceiling
[12:13:00] stuarta: Think a commercial DVD is about 7G
[12:13:00] Merlin83b2: That really depends on the production of the DVD.
[12:13:00] stuarta: definitely
[12:13:00] Merlin83b2: They can hold over 9G if it's crammed full of stuff.
[12:13:00] adante: stuarta: well you're averaging ~2.2gb/hour, thats ok
[12:14:00] adante: i'm averaging about 3.7, that's a 50% increase
[12:14:00] stuarta: sure that's not HDTV?
[12:14:00] adante: yeah
[12:15:00] adante: probe the file it's 704x576 25fps
[12:15:00] adante: probed
[12:15:00] stuarta: mine are just SD 16:9 or 4:3
[12:15:00] stuarta: play with ffmpeg, it can identify extra streams for you IIRC
[12:18:00] adante: http://pastebin.com/508036
[12:18:00] adante: well, quality's really nice i'll give it that :]
[12:26:00] juski: depends on the content I think
[12:27:00] stuarta: looks a fairly standard stream
[12:29:00] juski: if you're talking about DVB stuff, the bitrate can vary a lot
[12:29:00] juski: sometimes only 1GB an hour.. sometimes twice as much
[12:30:00] adante: yeah it is dvb
[12:30:00] juski: there you have it then
[12:30:00] adante: guess so.. just seems odd, my recent recordings have all been higher than i'm used to
[12:31:00] stuarta: been playing with the quality setting in the recording profiles?
[12:31:00] juski: erm.. you shouldn't ever play with DVB card recording profiles
[12:31:00] adante: don't think i have one for dvb
[12:31:00] stuarta: juski: disk space savings :)
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[12:32:00] adante: i mean i've had 1hr recordings go up to around 2.6/2.7 before.. but suddenly i've got a whole batch at 3.6–3.8
[12:32:00] juski: stuarta: no – myth won't recompress the MPEG2 it gets from the DVB card.. and there's no way to reconfigure any of thhe MPEG parameters – the broadcasters choose them
[12:32:00] znoG_: how can I re-create the list of recordings in my recordings dir? there are 4 recordings out of 5 in the list when I go to "watch recordings"
[12:32:00] stuarta: funny, seem to remember it making a difference.
[12:33:00] juski: stuarta: on DVB cards? I doubt that very much
[12:33:00] stuarta: yep.
[12:34:00] adante: well, that would be odd because they've taken those options out for dvb in the latest svn :]
[12:34:00] ** stuarta makes a note to go retest... **
[12:34:00] juski: better had, eh...
[12:34:00] adante: only option that should matter for dvb in the profile is auto-transcode (which, incidentally, seems to broken in svn)
[12:34:00] adante: znoG_: could create a dummy entry in the recordings table
[12:35:00] juski: there's a script for restoring recordingss to the DB
[12:35:00] stuarta: adante: did the recordings increase when you went to this new version without those settings?
[12:35:00] juski: stuarta: did you even read anything I just said?
[12:35:00] stuarta: yep.
[12:36:00] adante: stuarta: actually now that you mention it, there was a correlation yes..
[12:36:00] juski: I'm not being pig-headed here.. the broadcasters choose the bitrate & frame size
[12:36:00] adante: digital is digital eh
[12:36:00] juski: not just that
[12:36:00] adante: but still.. seems like a quirky coincidence
[12:37:00] juski: the space the recordings occupy is determined by the stream parameters. mythtv isn't doing a quick & dirty demux & remux on the streams – you'd notice that in the CPU usage when you record
[12:37:00] ** stuarta underlines & highlights note to restest dvb quality setting. **
[12:37:00] ** juski rests his case :) **
[12:38:00] juski: it's Monday alright
[12:38:00] adante: stuarta: well, let me know how that goes, i'd be interested to see :]
[12:39:00] znoG_: if I set a scheduled recording to "transcode", what format would it be using to encode the recording?
[12:39:00] adante: znoG_: the one you set in your recording profiles
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[12:39:00] znoG_: ah
[12:39:00] adante: i have to admit, after upgrading, it does seem like i'm picking up a bigger stream than usual – quality has been MUCH better (but I originally put that down to improved av library), and so has the recording size
[12:40:00] fryfrog: could your broadcaster have changed their settings?
[12:40:00] stuarta: juski: I agree with what you have said.....
[12:40:00] fryfrog: if you have an old and a new recording, maybe you could use some mpeg info tools to see what they are
[12:40:00] juski: I'd put it down to the broadcaster myself.. seen as it can't be anything else ;)
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[12:43:00] znoG_: adante: the strangest thing is that the recorded table in mysql contains the missing .nuv file!
[12:44:00] adante: fryfrog: yeah possibly..
[12:44:00] znoG_: adante: the only difference between the missing recording and the rest is the "recgroup".. it is set to "default" for the missing file, the rest are "LiveTV"
[12:45:00] adante: i know its logically impossible but the coincidence factor has me baffled
[12:45:00] juski: znoG_: hit the M key and select 'filter options'.. get it to show ALL
[12:47:00] adante: alright queued some test transcodes, gonna take the motorcycle for a spin so bbl
[12:50:00] znoG_: juski: that was it!! thank you :)
[12:50:00] znoG_: juski: another question – is it possible to transcode a .nuv file once it has been recorded?
[12:51:00] juski: znoG_: of course it is
[12:51:00] znoG_: juski: good :) 8GB is a little big for a 2hr recording :)
[12:51:00] juski: 8GB? from a framegrabber card? yikes
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[12:55:00] fryfrog: znoG_: if you are getting 8G from something that is *not* an HD card... you need to make some adjustments :)
[12:57:00] stealth: i reinstalled mysql from 5 to 4, and also reloaded mc.sql but when I run mythsetup I still get Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist
[12:57:00] znoG_: juski: hehe yep
[12:57:00] znoG_: fryfrog: i haven't touched my recording profiles, maybe that is why
[12:57:00] znoG_: its a standard framegrabber card
[13:00:00] stealth: arg
[13:03:00] stealth: Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist?
[13:03:00] znoG_: hrm, so would a .nuv file be just an uncompressed bunch of JPG frames?
[13:04:00] juski: JPG is compressed.. that's the nature of JPEGiness
[13:04:00] znoG_: yes, sorry that's what I meant.
[13:05:00] znoG_: what's a good encoder to use, juski ?
[13:05:00] znoG_: rtjpeg or some other?
[13:05:00] juski: mpeg4 is good
[13:06:00] znoG_: what do I need installed to use mpeg4 compression?
[13:07:00] juski: dunno :-/
[13:07:00] juski: I know I've got mpeg4 available to me though...
[13:08:00] znoG_: heh :)
[13:08:00] znoG_: just wanna make sure it can transcode
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[13:08:00] znoG: as i would imagine it uses an external app to do that
[13:08:00] juski: nope
[13:09:00] juski: uses mythtranscode, and internal app
[13:09:00] juski: not to be confused with mtd (myth transcode daemon)
[13:09:00] znoG: i see...
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[13:14:00] znoG: juski: i've set a video (through mythfrontend) under job options to "transcode" .. would it start transcoding it immediately? i can't see any process or anything running that looks like a transcoding process
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[13:23:00] adante: znoG: check system status (under tv)
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[13:29:00] juski: hiya _willcooke_
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[13:31:00] _willcooke_: Alright Juski! How's it going? I've got a 2 weeks off work, huzzah!
[13:32:00] juski: heheh alright for some. got to build some machines up for a bunch of shows.. IIPSEC being one of them
[13:32:00] _willcooke_: Myth machines?
[13:32:00] juski: sadly not
[13:32:00] _willcooke_: :(
[13:32:00] ** juski wonders if mythtv was at CES this year **
[13:32:00] _willcooke_: When's IPSEC?
[13:33:00] _willcooke_: Are you going?
[13:33:00] juski: next week
[13:33:00] juski: not going
[13:33:00] juski: I just get to build the stuff
[13:33:00] _willcooke_: Shame, I might go along, get some free pens!
[13:33:00] _willcooke_: See if I can get work to pay for the train ticket
[13:33:00] ** juski will miss all the scantily-clad dolly-birds modelling DVRs **
[13:33:00] juski: ;-)
[13:34:00] _willcooke_: rent-a-dolly's are all good!
[13:34:00] juski: visited IFSEC a couple of years ago.. found it amusing how little people took notice of stands with the models in their scanties
[13:35:00] _willcooke_: :)
[13:35:00] _willcooke_: nerds are scared of them!
[13:35:00] juski: yeh true lol
[13:35:00] ** _willcooke_ is supposed to be fixing the dishwasher **
[13:35:00] juski: or want nowt to do with them coz they don't look like 6 of 9 or whatever
[13:35:00] _willcooke_: Every time I turn it on it trips the rcd
[13:36:00] _willcooke_: :))
[13:36:00] juski: must be wet somewhere then ;-)
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[13:36:00] juski: either that or a motor winding is touching the case housing
[13:37:00] _willcooke_: I've searched uk.d-i-y and they say it might also be where the wires go up the door to the control switch might have worn tru the insulation with the door opening and closing
[13:37:00] juski: yeh.. or that...
[13:37:00] _willcooke_: If it's the motor I'll just buy a new dishwasher
[13:38:00] juski: heheh
[13:38:00] ** juski IS our dishwasher **
[13:38:00] _willcooke_: oo, wife's home for lunch better look busy. bbl
[13:38:00] laga: juski: the wife taught you well, huh?
[13:38:00] juski: laga: I arrived pre-domesticated
[13:39:00] laga: juski: wow, nice. can i borrow you?
[13:39:00] juski: took mrs J ages to get used to seeing me doing my own ironing
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[13:41:00] Caveman: I was hoping someone could offer some suggestions as to why my playback has started to skip, live TV works fine. When a watch a recording a press the fast forward button it will only skip a second at a time. Very strange.
[13:41:00] Caveman: Havn't changed anything on the box of late
[13:41:00] Ryushin: Where can I change the fast forward and rewind amounts in svn? I originaly had them set for 15 seconds. But after a svn update, fast forward is set to 30 seconds and rewind is set to 5 seconds.
[13:42:00] adante: Ryushin: they're in playback groups now
[13:42:00] Ryushin: Oh, okay. Thanks.
[13:43:00] adante: Ryushin: do you do auto transcoding in svn? i'm trying to figure out if my settings are bust or if it's stopped working
[13:45:00] Ryushin: Stopped doing auto-transcoding because the quality was worse than the original. The originals are in mpeg2 for both ntsc and atsc for me. It would be nice if transocding would look good for both. Can't transcode atsc because I don't have enough horsepower to play 720p in mpeg4.
[13:45:00] Ryushin: sorry.
[13:45:00] adante: rats.. no worries
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[13:47:00] Ryushin: I wonder how much power you need to play 720p in mpeg4? I can barely play 720p at 85% on a 2 ghz proc.
[13:48:00] juski: mpeg4? lots!
[13:48:00] juski: talking dualcore there.. maybe dual, dualcore
[13:49:00] juski: we need a linux hardware developer who's good with DSP chips & PCI design ;)
[13:51:00] juski: or.. nvidia and/or ATI to do a linux version of their new h.264 decode acceleration.. I wonder who'll be 1st with that
[13:53:00] Merlin83b2: Say juski, aren't you that guy?
[13:57:00] Ryushin: I wish ati and nvidia would get their heads our of their asses and open source their drivers.
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[14:01:00] juski: am I disconnected again? not usually this quiet
[14:02:00] laga: juski: WAKE UP
[14:02:00] stuarta: it's monday
[14:02:00] juski: !ping
[14:02:00] laga: juski: !pong
[14:02:00] stuarta: timeout
[14:02:00] juski: heh
[14:03:00] juski: open source their drivers? what, and have all the competition going & adding similar features to their hardware? oh wait.. that already happens
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[14:04:00] adante: Ryushin: if you're around.. are you able to view the "program details" screen in recordings?
[14:07:00] juski: anyway what's the big deal about the drivers not being open source if they work well?
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[14:10:00] adante: sometimes, that's a big if :]
[14:11:00] Ryushin: adante: Yea, I can connect vnc to my box at home if you like.
[14:12:00] Ryushin: juski: It's just that the via unichrome pro is open source. Or did the community reverse engineer the chip?
[14:14:00] Ryushin: adante: You mean where it gives you the program description in recordings?
[14:15:00] adante: Ryushin: yeah (i think).. like if you're in the epg, press enter on a program, goto schedule information, then goto programme details
[14:15:00] Ryushin: I've stayed on SVN 8295 since it's been very stable. Waiting for a feature to come out to make me want to upgrade. The new stuff in XvMC is thinking I might want to try.
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[14:16:00] adante: ahh right, hrm
[14:16:00] adante: i'm sitting on 8620 or something now
[14:16:00] Ryushin: Okay, let me try it in the program guide.
[14:17:00] adante: been a couple of kooky things i've been trying to figure out whether i've got something configured wrong or it's an actual bug
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[14:18:00] Ryushin: The description field works fine for me.
[14:18:00] Ryushin: For the most part, my wife and I don't use the guide. We use mythweb instead.
[14:18:00] adante: hurr, maybe it's my themes
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[14:19:00] znoG: ahh shame, all was going well with knoppmyth until it tried to connect to my backend, which is running protocol version 23, and knoppmyth only understands 15 :(
[14:19:00] Ryushin: Just for reference, I was reading in the myth-devel mail, that someone solved their XvMC stuttering problem by increasing their ring buffer size. How large are some people setting their ring buffer size for HD content using XvMC?
[14:21:00] Merlin83b2: znoG: It's not hard to build SVN on KnoppMyth...
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[14:23:00] znoG: Merlin83b2: oh, good idea.. might do that actually
[14:23:00] Ryushin: znog: It's better to move to SVN and set your compile options for your system. Only way I got hd content to play without hardware accerlation.
[14:24:00] znoG: Merlin83b2: you know of any links to doing that?
[14:24:00] znoG: Ryushin: yep, cool.
[14:24:00] Merlin83b2: znoG: Same way you would on anything else, check it out, configure with --prefix=/usr then make install.
[14:24:00] Ryushin: I have a sempron 64 processor, and after I set the compile options, hd playback is possible with a 2 ghz sempron.
[14:25:00] znoG: Merlin83b2: oh, but i'm running off the CD. I thought you meant re-building the ISO with mythtv SVN
[14:25:00] Merlin83b2: Oh, haven't done that.
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[14:26:00] Ryushin: znog: I think it's time to load the hard drive.  :)
[14:27:00] znoG: Ryushin: oh but it would be so nice to grab any box and stick the CD in and watch TV :)
[14:27:00] Ryushin: znog: Oh, you haven't made a dedicated htpc box yet?
[14:28:00] _willcooke_: juski, Gah!! Why is it always the same. I've taken the thing to pieces and found nothing obviously wrong, stuck the meter over the bits I can get to, and all seems well. Turn it on, et voila! It works. Now, the question is, why didnt I test it before I took it apart! :)
[14:28:00] znoG: Ryushin: htpc ..?
[14:29:00] znoG: Ryushin: my workstation is the mythtv server for now
[14:29:00] Ryushin: htpc – home theater pc.
[14:29:00] znoG: oh
[14:29:00] znoG: just an athlon XP 2800+ with a bt878 card
[14:29:00] znoG: not the ideal htpc
[14:29:00] [Elvis]: is there a faster way to finetune the channels ?
[14:30:00] znoG: would have preferred using a PVR card but eh.. gotta start with something
[14:30:00] [Elvis]: then going to mythtv-setup changing and then go back?
[14:30:00] GreyFoxx: [Elvis]: Nope :(
[14:30:00] [Elvis]: hmm
[14:30:00] [Elvis]: then this is gonna take me a long time
[14:30:00] [Elvis]: :P
[14:30:00] GreyFoxx: hwh
[14:30:00] Ryushin: znog: Yea. I did research for a year before I purchased all my bits and pieces. It was my bday present to myself.
[14:30:00] znoG: Ryushin: haha nice, best present I bet :)
[14:31:00] znoG: looks like I can use a mplayer encoder to transcode
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[14:31:00] Ryushin: Wife thought it was good at first. Until it took six weeks to get the thing in a usable state. Thanks much to the help on this channel and the mailing lists.
[14:31:00] [Elvis]: Greyfoxx how did you finetune them?
[14:32:00] [Elvis]: what's the best way to start finetuning?
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[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: [Elvis]: I didn't
[14:32:00] [Elvis]: you got digital
[14:32:00] jhihn: is MythTV only 15fps?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: in fact very few people do
[14:32:00] [Elvis]: :(
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: [Elvis]: Nope
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: Analog
[14:32:00] [Elvis]: you got external tuner ?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: Nope
[14:32:00] [Elvis]: what then?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: Analog cable into PVR250's
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[14:33:00] znoG: Ryushin: i've only just started the fun. Still have much to go until I can get stuff transcoded to a decent size and good-enough quality, etc.
[14:33:00] [Elvis]: GreyFoxx you live in america and get frequency's supplied through zap2it?
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[14:34:00] GreyFoxx: [Elvis]: No, Canada, and the frequencies are standardized
[14:34:00] [Elvis]: damn
[14:34:00] [Elvis]: :P
[14:34:00] [Elvis]: GreyFoxx do you have to run the mythfilldatabase after every change in mythtv-setup
[14:34:00] sphing: no
[14:34:00] [Elvis]: when do you have to run it then?
[14:34:00] GreyFoxx: No
[14:34:00] GreyFoxx: Only if you change video sources
[14:35:00] GreyFoxx: Like if you add a video source, or change your lineup
[14:35:00] [Elvis]: so not if I finetune?
[14:35:00] GreyFoxx: No :)
[14:35:00] jhihn: i think filldatatabase only doe program info
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[14:37:00] GreyFoxx: jhihn: For the most part yeah. Pulls in program info, adds new channels as needed, pulls down channel icons if they are configured, and removes old program info from the database. Maybe other stuff I don't remember
[14:38:00] znoG: Ryushin: what did you end up purchasing in the end?
[14:39:00] [Elvis]: damn
[14:39:00] [Elvis]: this finetuning is gonna take hours
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: [Elvis]: run both mythtv-setup and mythfrontend at the same time
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: make a change in setup
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: then go into mythfrontend
[14:40:00] GregM: Hi, Im using knoppmyth is it possible to enter sub dirs of /myth/video/ for movies in folders
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: the freq/finetuning info is read everytime you launch livetv / record
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: no need to open/close the apps until you are done
[14:40:00] Merlin83b2: grantm: I use subdirs of that...
[14:40:00] Merlin83b2: Um, GregM.
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: GregM: For MythVideo? Certainly
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: I place evertything in subdirectories
[14:41:00] [Elvis]: is that possible GreyFoxx ?
[14:41:00] [Elvis]: najs
[14:41:00] [Elvis]: :P
[14:41:00] GregM: ok im using nfs but i wouldnt have thought that would matter, I can only browse foles not folders
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: Is what possible ?
[14:42:00] GregM: s/foles/files
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: My mythvideo stuff is nfs mounted to my frontends, works fine. Probably just a setting somewhere
[14:42:00] GregM: even locally the same
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: I personally only use VideoList and I have it set to browse the file system
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[14:46:00] [Elvis]: do you guys think there's a big quality difference between geforce2 tv-out and tv-out we have nowadays?
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: Most of the time yes
[14:47:00] [Elvis]: cuz I have the feeling my vision is kinda distorted
[14:47:00] [Elvis]: compared to monitor screen
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[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:48:00] [Elvis]: on some points
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[14:48:00] Ryushin: znoG: A Silverstone LC17 case, HD-3000, PVR-350 (with remote), Nvidia FX5200 fanless, Gig ethernet card. I bought a cheap sempron 64 2600+ which ran at 1600 mhz and a cheap socket 754 board until the dual core 64's came down in price.. This little chip has a potential in it and I overclocked it to 2 ghz with complete stability using the stock cpu fan which is silent. Some people have gotten 2600 mhz out of these chips. I have si
[14:48:00] Ryushin: nce transplanted three 200 gb SATA drives in a RAID 0 config, and have 120 gb paralle drive for mythtv which gets backed up every night from my main server. 600 GB has been very nice to hold all the recordings.
[14:50:00] Merlin83b2: Is it quiet, Ryushin?
[14:50:00] Ryushin: Oh, and a promise TX4 SATA card for the sata drives.
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[14:51:00] Ryushin: The case is perfectly quiet and the cpu fan. The fan in my samsung DLP TV make more noise than this setup does.
[14:51:00] Merlin83b2: Nice.
[14:51:00] ** Merlin83b2 continues tryig to beat his Epia into submission. **
[14:51:00] Ryushin: If the TV is off, I can sometimes hear the SATA drives seek if it's recording two programs at once.
[14:52:00] Merlin83b2: Yeah, I'm considering a big, quiet case and putting it behind the TV. There a bit of room there and Hauppauge's remote receiver has a decent length of wire on it :-)
[14:52:00] znoG: Ryushin: hah, ok, some birthday present :)
[14:53:00] znoG: very serious about your HDPC eh.. :)
[14:53:00] Ryushin: The LC17 is a awesome case. It looks like a AV componet. Very resonable cost too.
[14:53:00] znoG: here I am with an ugly case, framegrabber card and no remote... hehehe
[14:53:00] Ryushin: znoG: Yea. I wanted to do it right, so I took my time.
[14:53:00] Merlin83b2: Yeah, just had a look on froogle.
[14:53:00] Merlin83b2: Seems good.
[14:54:00] Ryushin: Oh, did some research on newegg and bought a power supply that was silent for about $60.
[14:54:00] Merlin83b2: Case is PSU-less I take it?
[14:55:00] [Elvis]: didn't any of you guys have problems with fitting tv-out on the screen normally
[14:55:00] [Elvis]: with resolution
[14:55:00] Ryushin: yea.
[14:55:00] [Elvis]: I have the idea that there's always something falling of the screen
[14:55:00] [Elvis]: :(
[14:56:00] Ryushin: I think all htpc cases don't come with a power supply.
[14:56:00] stuarta: ryushin: Do the hard drives get hot?
[14:56:00] znoG: ah, you guys get HDTV in the US... none of that here
[14:56:00] Ryushin: I have hdtemp looking at them, and they don't get over 38 celcius.
[14:56:00] stuarta: znoG, doesn't mean we can't prepare :)
[14:57:00] stuarta: ryushin: nice, cooler than my normal case.
[14:57:00] Ryushin: The case has space for 80 mm fans in front of the drives. I put a temp controlled fan in front of them and it's never turned on.
[14:57:00] znoG: i'll be preparing for a long time here if I expect to see digital TV in this country :)
[14:57:00] stuarta: that's not the point :)
[14:58:00] znoG: i guess hope is that last thing we loose eh
[14:58:00] [Elvis]: where znoG?
[14:58:00] Ryushin: znoG: Were do you live?
[14:58:00] stuarta: ar
[14:59:00] adante: well that was a bit insane
[15:00:00] adante: tried to update to the svn themes, and somehow whenever my mythfrontend tried to watch tv it caused my backend to fail
[15:00:00] znoG: .ar
[15:00:00] znoG: stuarta: and you?
[15:00:00] stuarta: in .uk orig from .au
[15:00:00] Ryushin: znoG: Are you going to make me google .ar?
[15:00:00] znoG: ah, i used to live in .au before moving back here
[15:00:00] adante: i still do :D
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: http://www.phaze.org/tldlist.txt
[15:01:00] znoG: Ryushin: hehe, i sincerely doubt digital TV is on the plans but yeah, go ahead. Maybe you'll pleasantly surprise me
[15:01:00] Ryushin: From what I understand, the UK is going to get HD real soon.
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: It's a few years old but it still has all of the TLD's
[15:01:00] stuarta: they might be doing hdtv properly in .au by the time I get back.
[15:01:00] znoG: Ryushin: oh, you meant what .ar is. .ar is argentina
[15:02:00] stuarta: ryushin: they don't have the bandwidth on terrestrial at the moment
[15:02:00] Ryushin: GreyFoxx, I know, I didn't want to have to google it.
[15:02:00] GregM: ah got it sorted had to set the video browse option from gallery to list and allows drop down to lower dirs
[15:02:00] Merlin83b2: Ryushin: Not real soon – the beeb are trialling it soon...
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: Now that is lazy :)
[15:02:00] stuarta: apparently one of the sat's has the bbc hdtv test chan.
[15:02:00] juski: yeh the beeb are trialling it, and it's going to be mpeg4
[15:02:00] Ryushin: stuarta: I was jsut reading on slashdot a couple of weeks ago that the BBC was going to start HD broadcasting.
[15:02:00] stuarta: prob with h264
[15:03:00] juski: or maybe only terrestrial will be that
[15:03:00] stuarta: did they give you a timeframe?
[15:03:00] juski: sometime
[15:03:00] juski: they're already done a lot of test broadcasts
[15:03:00] juski: seen some grabs of them..
[15:03:00] juski: 1080i
[15:03:00] stuarta: terrestrial hdtv basically requires the analogue switch off.
[15:03:00] Ryushin: Hey, for those in the UK, I was watching a show a month ago that was about a guy that was super hero. It was a riot. What was the name of that show?
[15:03:00] Merlin83b2: My Hero?
[15:04:00] Ryushin: That may be it.
[15:04:00] Merlin83b2: with Ardal O'Hanlon?
[15:04:00] Merlin83b2: (Irish guy)
[15:04:00] adante: mpeg4, that's quite aggressive
[15:04:00] juski: yep
[15:04:00] juski: and the talking baby
[15:04:00] juski: eesh
[15:04:00] Ryushin: Don't know for sure. Just laughed for a 30 minutes. It was great.
[15:04:00] Ryushin: yea, thats it.
[15:04:00] stuarta: adante: that's before you play with h264 encoding
[15:04:00] juski: adante: mpeg4, when you have a dedicated chip is a doddle
[15:05:00] Ryushin: Have to go add that into mythweb.
[15:05:00] juski: so what's the deal with h264?
[15:05:00] juski: I thought that was just a derivative of mpeg
[15:05:00] stuarta: takes about half the space for the same quality
[15:05:00] stuarta: it's a codec
[15:06:00] stuarta: for compression
[15:06:00] juski: wiki I found says h.264=mpeg4 part 10
[15:06:00] [Elvis]: how can I enable the webinterface for mythtv?
[15:06:00] stuarta: there are other possible compression schemes for mpeg4
[15:07:00] Ryushin: Darn, it's not on pbs anymore. Must have just been a special. Maybe I have to get a sat dish setup to get dvb-s.
[15:08:00] juski: oo Conexant are making an h.264 decoder IC
[15:08:00] juski: I bet that requires signing an NDA though
[15:08:00] adante: [Elvis]: its should be running with the backend: http://backend:6544 – but if you meant the other web interface, look for mythweb :]
[15:10:00] adante: is anybody experencing this sort of behaviour with their epg: adante.11011.net/pics/epg.png  – i ask it to show 8 channels, but it disobeys me!
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[15:13:00] fryfrog: rar, 0.4.2 of ivtv released, compiles on my 2.6.15 and works!
[15:14:00] stuarta: h264 paper: http://www.dspr.com/www/technology/csvt_overview.pdf
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[15:32:00] hfghfh: Has anyone had this problem before, my mythbackend says: ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 10
[15:32:00] hfghfh: but i can change the channel through ivtv-tune without any problems
[15:34:00] Ryushin: sounds like your have a config problem in mythtv-setup for your card.
[15:35:00] hfghfh: I've tried that, in mythsetup i can only select Tuner, not Tuner0 or Tuner1 as before
[15:35:00] Ryushin: Do you have a pvr-*50 card?
[15:36:00] hfghfh: So when mythbackend says it cannot find Tuner 0 its because there is no Tuner 0. And it does that even if i select just Tuner in mythsetup
[15:36:00] hfghfh: yes/no, i have a pvr 500mce
[15:36:00] Ryushin: Which version of ivtv and kernel are you using?
[15:37:00] hfghfh: ivtv-0.4.1 and kernel 2.6.14–1.1656_FC4
[15:37:00] Ryushin: Oh, you don't compile your own kernel?
[15:37:00] hfghfh: The problem started with the new ivtv and kernelversion. the old one worked
[15:38:00] Ryushin: I guess that won't be a problem if you use ivtv-0.5.1.
[15:38:00] hfghfh: does that version exist
[15:38:00] hfghfh: i thought 4.1 was the latest
[15:38:00] Ryushin: The new ivtv uses the modules in the kernel.
[15:38:00] Ryushin: 0.5.1 is development.
[15:38:00] Ryushin: But it's the way they are heading.
[15:39:00] Ryushin: ivtv was compiling modules that conflicted with the kernel modules. 5.1 uses the kernel modules directly now.
[15:39:00] Ryushin: Is there a 2.6.15 kernel for fc yet?
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[15:40:00] Ryushin: I compile my own kernels so I know exactly what is in there. You may want to try that as well.
[15:40:00] hfghfh: no, not yet
[15:40:00] hfghfh: but compiling your own version also means you are on your own when problems arise
[15:40:00] jonase: i get a "libhal.c 767 : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceDoesNotExist raised "service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist"
[15:40:00] jonase: when trying to stream
[15:41:00] Ryushin: Try 5.1 and give it a go. You will probably have to reinstall your kernel rpm because some of the kernel modules got over written.
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[15:41:00] confusi0n: sup
[15:42:00] stuarta: sky
[15:42:00] confusi0n: o rly?
[15:43:00] jonase: anyone know what to do? *frustrated*
[15:43:00] Ryushin: space
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[15:43:00] confusi0n: jonase: knit a sweater
[15:43:00] hfghfh: do you know if any one has binary rpm of ivtv 0.5.1 suitable for fedora 4
[15:44:00] juski: oh come on it's not _that_ hard to compile ivtv
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[15:44:00] Ryushin: hfghfh: I would use the source one.
[15:44:00] Ryushin: In fact, you should go source on all of the pieces that you need.
[15:45:00] jonase: confusi0n: than my granmother would be out of buisness
[15:45:00] juski: takes about 5 mins to compile it even on a slow CPU
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[15:45:00] confusi0n: supply and demand jonase
[15:45:00] juski: confusi0n: how's the (ahem) box?
[15:45:00] confusi0n: lol
[15:45:00] confusi0n: its in the garden
[15:45:00] confusi0n: i had a go at it with my hammer
[15:46:00] juski: lol
[15:46:00] stuarta: theraputic?
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[15:46:00] Ryushin: hfghfh: You really need to go source. It's the only way you're going to truely control what is going on with your system.
[15:46:00] confusi0n: nah, im giving up and keeping an eye on the dev ml and the svn site for updates
[15:46:00] confusi0n: then when i get a job if its still not fixed ill get a 150
[15:46:00] _willcooke_: juski, It's washing dishes! Now I have to wait and see if it finshes the program without tripping out...
[15:46:00] hfghfh: but still this seems as its a problem with mythtv since i insists on trying to find "Tuner 0" and not "Tuner". It doesnt mattar what you select in mythsetup it still tries to open "Tuner 0"
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[15:46:00] juski: _willcooke_: that's some achievement. is that with SVN? ;)
[15:47:00] _willcooke_: It's a special patch I've made!
[15:47:00] Ryushin: hfghfh: What version of myth are you using?
[15:47:00] hfghfh: 0.18.1–116 from atrpms
[15:47:00] juski: hey I can't find the 'make my tea' option in the frontend menu...
[15:48:00] _willcooke_: juski, I'm still working on that
[15:48:00] _willcooke_: I've got it to hot water with sugar in
[15:48:00] Ryushin: You will probably want to switch svn as well.
[15:48:00] _willcooke_: but the tea is prooving tricky
[15:49:00] juski: Ryushin: there's no need to switch to SVN to use a newer version of ivtv
[15:49:00] confusi0n: myth needs an 'over the livetv feed' news ticker
[15:49:00] juski: confusi0n: we're looking forward to your patch already ;)
[15:49:00] confusi0n: lol
[15:50:00] juski: easy solution.. put news24 on
[15:50:00] confusi0n: hey, im learning python before i delve into C, give me a break
[15:50:00] confusi0n: maybe ill do a patch in a year or so
[15:50:00] juski: maybe I'll finish my theme work before 0.19
[15:51:00] confusi0n: oh you're working on a theme?
[15:51:00] juski: two
[15:51:00] juski: wide and normal
[15:51:00] confusi0n: kewl
[15:51:00] Ryushin: juski: Actually, I think there is. They made some changes to .4 that required a new version to work.
[15:51:00] juski: all done bar the shouting www.juski.co.uk
[15:51:00] juski: Ryushin: eeew.. that's not what I wanted to hear
[15:51:00] Ryushin: .3 should work find for 18.1.
[15:51:00] juski: got 0.4.1 working with 0.18
[15:52:00] confusi0n: that looks quite nice
[15:52:00] ** Merlin83b2 consider grabbing the 16:9 theme... **
[15:52:00] confusi0n: bit dark
[15:52:00] confusi0n: but nothing wrong with that
[15:52:00] hfghfh: what distro are yoy using
[15:52:00] Merlin83b2: Looks better on the TV if juski is to be believed :-)
[15:52:00] confusi0n: ws version looks good
[15:52:00] Ryushin: juski: Then I could be off my rocker. But what I was reading in the ivtv mailing list, they changed how things worked in ivtv 4, which caused problems with 18.
[15:53:00] Ryushin: hfghfh: debian.
[15:53:00] juski: compiled, loaded ivtv & added it into myth as a new capture card – been working nicely for a few days now
[15:53:00] confusi0n: its nice that actually
[15:53:00] confusi0n: i'd use it. might do when i get a pvr card, in about six f'in years
[15:54:00] juski: confusi0n: heh... wait til I combine the wide & 4:3 themes into one download
[15:54:00] confusi0n: yeah
[15:55:00] Ryushin: I've been marking down which svn revisions have been stable. At least for me. Revision 8295 has been rock solid for me.
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[15:55:00] sjaakz0r: I'm getting an error running
[15:55:00] sjaakz0r: chgrp -R apache /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/{image_cache,php_sessions}
[15:55:00] sjaakz0r: where apache = www-data
[15:55:00] confusi0n: can you checkout old svn revisions like?
[15:55:00] sjaakz0r: it says it can't find image_cache and php_sessions
[15:55:00] Ryushin: Oh yea.
[15:55:00] confusi0n: kew
[15:55:00] confusi0n: ;l
[15:55:00] Ryushin: I think it's just the -r and you're off and running.
[15:56:00] Ryushin: sjaakz0r: Did you edit the .htaccess and config file.
[15:57:00] sjaakz0r: not .htaccess
[15:57:00] Ryushin: Did you make the directories and give ownership to www-data?
[15:57:00] sjaakz0r: well
[15:57:00] sjaakz0r: I'm trying to now
[15:57:00] sjaakz0r: aint I?
[15:57:00] sjaakz0r: with chgrp -R www-data dir
[15:57:00] Ryushin: You have to do it by hand.
[15:57:00] Ryushin: That will do it.
[15:58:00] Ryushin: You might want chgrp -fR www-data: dir
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: and then?
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: ok I have everything in /var/www
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: so I did chgrp -fR www-data /var/www
[15:58:00] sjaakz0r: right?
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[16:00:00] Ryushin: confusi0n: I think it's svn co -r 8295
[16:00:00] Beirdo: I think it's svn help checkout :)
[16:00:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:01:00] Beirdo: and yes, you're right
[16:01:00] sjaakz0r: Ryushin still doesn't work
[16:01:00] juski: Beirdo: sorted out that issue wi me cat5 sender thing: was a DC offset on the vid output :-)
[16:02:00] juski: not the cabling
[16:02:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[16:02:00] Ryushin: sjaakz0r: I don't think you want everything owed by www-data. But I don't now if that will cause a problem or not (probably not)
[16:02:00] Beirdo: that could be an issue :)
[16:02:00] Beirdo: forgot the capactive coupling?
[16:02:00] Ryushin: sjaakz0r: Check your config file.
[16:02:00] juski: I just assumed the TV / PVR input would have a cap at their inputs
[16:02:00] Beirdo: ass-u-me
[16:02:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:02:00] juski: lol
[16:03:00] TubularBell: Anyone from the Netherlands here? I've got a (simple) question. Soon UPC will be upgrading me to Digital Television, despite my protests. Will MythTV still work?
[16:04:00] Beirdo: if you can display it on a normal TV, you can record it
[16:04:00] Beirdo: the only potential issue is controlling channel changes via an IR transmitter
[16:04:00] TubularBell: Ok.. sounds good. But how do I switch channels, then? Through the decoder box?
[16:04:00] Ryushin: TubularBell: If cable works kinda like here in the US, you will need a new DVB card that can get the digital stations. If it exists.
[16:05:00] Beirdo: yes, through the box
[16:05:00] TubularBell: Beirdo: is there a how-to on how to do that?
[16:05:00] fryfrog: anyone using 0.4.2 ivtv with success?
[16:05:00] Beirdo: not sure, never looked for one
[16:05:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: yea.
[16:05:00] fryfrog: spiffy :)
[16:05:00] fryfrog: distro?
[16:05:00] TubularBell: Alright, I'll resort to my good friend Google for that, then. Thanks for the info!
[16:05:00] Beirdo: no prob
[16:06:00] Ryushin: debian. I'll be moving to 5.1 after next week though.
[16:06:00] Beirdo: it MAY be possible to use a DVB-C card, but I wouldn't guarantee it
[16:06:00] juski: it'd probably be encrypted
[16:06:00] Ryushin: TubularBell: Yea, do what Beirdo says. Control your cable box using firewire/serial/whatever and do it that way.
[16:07:00] ** TubularBell scratches head and wonders what DVB means. Acronym Hell. **
[16:07:00] Ryushin: I forgot that we won't see cable cards for pc's until the end of this year.
[16:07:00] laga: digital video broadcast(ing)
[16:07:00] fryfrog: Ryushin: why move to 0.5.1?
[16:07:00] TubularBell: Aah, ok :)
[16:07:00] juski: fryfrog: because it's there?
[16:08:00] TubularBell: Is it just me or does it seem odd that you can't use DIGITAL television directly on a computer? ;)
[16:08:00] fryfrog: but isn't 0.5.1 the "unstable" branch?
[16:08:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: ivtv starts using the native kernel modules instead of compiling their own with conflicts with certain kernel modules.
[16:08:00] Ryushin: True.
[16:08:00] fryfrog: 0.4.2 uses native kernel modules in 2.6.15 currently
[16:08:00] juski: so was I just lucky getting 0.4.1 to work?
[16:08:00] fryfrog: very :)
[16:08:00] juski: that's the impression I',m starting to get
[16:08:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: It uses a few. But it will also replace some.
[16:08:00] fryfrog: 0.4.1 does the same, but didn't work for most people
[16:08:00] juski: in that case then... PHEW!
[16:08:00] fryfrog: Ryushin: in 2.6.15, it doesn't replace *any*
[16:09:00] juski: ;-)
[16:09:00] fryfrog: you just get ivtv and ivtv-fb
[16:09:00] fryfrog: well, before i open my fat trap, lemme make sure
[16:09:00] stuarta: with 2.6.15 linux-dvb & v4l linux have merged as well
[16:09:00] Ryushin: fryfrog: There should bee conflicts between the tuner module, msp(something), and another.
[16:10:00] Ryushin: Hince, use 0.5.1 with 2.6.15.
[16:10:00] fryfrog: ah, i see what you mean
[16:10:00] fryfrog: 0.4.0 used its own modules
[16:10:00] fryfrog: with any kernel
[16:11:00] fryfrog: 0.4.1 (and .2) will only compile ivtv and ivtv-fb if used with kernel 2.6.15 (but will build the old ones for .14 and younger)
[16:11:00] fryfrog: I believe from reading ivtv, they plan on using 0.6.x with the .16 kernel, 0.7.x with .17 kernel
[16:11:00] fryfrog: i dunno why :)
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[16:14:00] fryfrog: and here goes what i should never do... remote reboot + kernel update!
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[16:15:00] hfghfh: i have partly solved my problem now, i cleared all capturecard settings one more time and now it no longer complaines about not finding the noexistent "Tuner 0". But still something is weird
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[16:16:00] black_Nightmare: hey
[16:19:00] juski: heyyyy now
[16:19:00] black_Nightmare: was just wondering but think that 300Amhz with 128mb of ram could possible capture 320x240 raw to the hd? (short clips anyhow)
[16:20:00] juski: doubt it
[16:20:00] black_Nightmare: hm ty anyhow
[16:20:00] black_Nightmare: does mythtv support smp anyhow?
[16:20:00] juski: with a hardware encoder you'd be fine with that CPU though
[16:20:00] juski: more CPUs the better I think
[16:21:00] rtsai: anyone using DVB with EIT in the US?
[16:21:00] stuarta: rtsai: does such a thing exist?
[16:21:00] black_Nightmare: juski..hm... dual-433mhz? :-)
[16:21:00] juski: USA's is ATSC innit?
[16:22:00] juski: black_Nightmare: maybe using rtjpeg you could do it in mythtv
[16:22:00] rtsai: I'm getting OTA HD using DVB drivers
[16:23:00] rtsai: and the carriers *do* send programming information over EIT, except that it appears to be messed up (spelling errors, etc.) and I'm wondering if it's just me
[16:23:00] stuarta: they pay monkeys to type that stuff in.
[16:23:00] rtsai: and what does zap2it do?
[16:23:00] stuarta: advanced monkeys?
[16:23:00] rtsai: heh
[16:24:00] stuarta: here in the uk, it changes daily as they update their stuff ups.
[16:24:00] rtsai: It was weird. mythfilldb would fill in new data, then when the EIT crawl started, it would overwrite stuff with "Nighly News" and stuff.
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: doh
[16:24:00] stuarta: but was the new info correct?
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: If the title/subtitle differ it would update the info :)
[16:25:00] rtsai: well, that was the more benign example. Worst case is "NO DATA", and the previously-fetched mythfilldatabase info is gone.
[16:25:00] GreyFoxx: EIT wouldn't do that
[16:25:00] rtsai: So I ended up compiling out EIT again.
[16:25:00] stuarta: GreyFoxx: it would.
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[16:25:00] rtsai: What if the EIT info is garbled?
[16:25:00] GreyFoxx: Then garbage would go in
[16:25:00] rtsai: Yeah, my guess is that there is no "backup" for mythfilldatabase filled info
[16:26:00] rtsai: so if EIT gets scrambled or something, you're hosed until you re-fetch
[16:26:00] stuarta: We have a long list of things to work on with EIT
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: stuarta: How? If we only process evens we get from the source, how would it remove the existing info? Overwriting sure, but removal and nothing more ?
[16:26:00] stuarta: if the OTA EIT data is different from the database, it is updated on the assumption that
[16:26:00] black_Nightmare: juski..think that 2x-433mhz would be enough to encode to mpeg1 or mpeg2 on their own?
[16:26:00] stuarta: it is correct..
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[16:26:00] stuarta: correct = newer and therefore better.
[16:27:00] stuarta: in this case.
[16:27:00] rtsai: Ah, so kind of what I want is if the database grabber is missing (e.g., my zap2it account expires), *then* fall back to EIT, not the other way around
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: stuarta: Sure. but unless you are getting blank EIT events it would overwrite it, but not empty the entry
[16:27:00] rtsai: I think EIT here in the US is less reliable
[16:27:00] rtsai: at least where I live
[16:27:00] stuarta: maybe they are getting empty events?
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: If we are pusing blank titles into the system that definately is a flaw
[16:28:00] rtsai: well, like you said, garbage in == garbage out
[16:28:00] rtsai: not much myth can do then
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: But I have yet to see an example of that occuring
[16:28:00] stuarta: rstai: can you try getting EIT info with tv_grab_dvb and see if the info is good.
[16:29:00] rtsai: I might play with it, but the zap2it stuff is reliable enough here that I'm not that motivated.
[16:29:00] stuarta: don't need to kill your db with it.
[16:29:00] stuarta: it will even run without shutting down the backend
[16:29:00] rtsai: "kill"?
[16:30:00] stuarta: as in what it was doing to your data before.
[16:30:00] rtsai: It only takes a few minutes to run ...
[16:30:00] rtsai: oh i see what you mean
[16:31:00] juski: how do STBs do it?
[16:31:00] stuarta: it'll just make an xml listing of the data
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: juski: Do what?
[16:31:00] rtsai: stuarta: yup, thanks
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[16:32:00] stuarta: juski: if it's a thompson, not much at all.
[16:32:00] juski: lol.. I mean how do _working_ STBs use the EIT data?
[16:33:00] stuarta: to make something like myth's on screen guide
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[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: Most STB's only keep now/next data, which is not much at all. They preallocate the memory and just fill it in as they see it. But they are constantly evaluating and reading the data. You just don't notice as most of the other work is done on other chips. Demuxing/decode/etc
[16:34:00] black_Nightmare: juski..did you noticed my Q? just wondering
[16:34:00] stuarta: greyfoxx: most of them now have 7day epg (in uk at least)
[16:34:00] juski: there are boxes that'll give you a weeks' worth of data though
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: stuarta: Most I've seen don't
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: juski: Note the term "most", not all :)
[16:35:00] stuarta: I wouldn't buy one without it.
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: If they are grabbing 7 days they are likely still preallocating the slots and filling them in as they get it
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: and unless you have really different STB's than I have seen they do not store that info in a database so they are not concerned with updating anything but the memory slot
[16:36:00] juski: hmmm
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: They just relearn it on the next power up
[16:37:00] hfghfh: black_Nightmare even the slowest computer has enough to encode, its just a matter of how long you want to wait for the result. but a 433mhz wont do very good if its realtime you are after
[16:37:00] GreyFoxx: Makes me curious about thekind of pid filtering they have available and just how much CPU is spent processing it
[16:37:00] juski: GreyFoxx: do the frontend chips not do all that for them?
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: the filtering?
[16:38:00] juski: yeh
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: some do it on the main processor, some filterit before so it never makes it to the main cpu
[16:39:00] juski: but as you've found out it's not the filtering that whacks the CPU is it?
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: Like budget and ff cards, some do hardware pid filtering, others do software and the driver is the one that does the filtering
[16:39:00] stuarta: rtsai: can you gzip up a copy of tv_grab_dvb output and stick it on a website?
[16:40:00] black_Nightmare: hfgh...hm so I guess this could do fine with realtime mpeg1/2 encoding? 2x-433mhz processors, ATA66 5400rpm hd, 256mb to 768mb of ram (3 sdram slots), and lastly 7500AIW card
[16:40:00] GreyFoxx: juski: several things all added together drive up the load, including reprocessing events you've already seen, keeping the database up to date and several other things
[16:41:00] juski: I thought you said it was dozens of mysql transactions/sec that was doing it
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: Several things, that being one of them
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: This pie has more than one peice :)
[16:42:00] juski: hmmm.. so would that mean that even by taking all those extra sql hits out, it's still less than efficient?
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: very much so
[16:42:00] juski: maybe that'd call for a new method then... DVB programs table
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: the biggest savings was gotten by not processing events we;d already handled
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[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: the current way is to process every event, even if we handled that same one a minute ago
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: and EIT info is constantly broadcast over and over
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: so lots of wasted cycles
[16:43:00] stuarta: it's a carousel, and we were forgetting to get of when we'd finished :-)
[16:43:00] juski: wtf? this PC has started fscking talking!
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[16:44:00] juski: narrator? never seen that in win2k
[16:45:00] Merlin83b2: Heh.
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[16:46:00] fryfrog: boy, remote kernel reboots suck... but thank god for "smart hands and feet"!
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[16:48:00] fryfrog: with 2.6.15 and ivtv-0.4.2 do you need a bttv driver compiled to get some of the modules?
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[16:48:00] juski: sounded like a currah u-speech with a sore throat :-/
[16:48:00] juski: fryfrog: I imagine so
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[16:48:00] fryfrog: or does <M> Add support for additional audio chipsets and <M> Add support for additional video chipsets take care of it?
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[16:52:00] juski: fryfrog: whichever ones will build the modules ivtv needs to live ;-)
[16:53:00] hfghfh: does any have any idea why picture in picture does not show the second picture. Both tuners are active but only one of them is showing
[16:55:00] s34n: I'm looking for recommendations on video capture and tv-out
[16:56:00] s34n: I've used hauppauge before, but on the new system, I have enough CPU to handle the encoding
[16:56:00] s34n: is there a preferred capture card?
[16:56:00] Merlin83b2: Why bother? PVR cards are pretty cheap if you want to capture analog stuff.
[16:56:00] hfghfh: s34n by a haupage pvr150 or 500 and a geforce card for tv out
[16:56:00] fryfrog: juski: its just that the stupid lirc_dev/lirc_i2c cause bttv module to get loaded :/
[16:56:00] fryfrog: s34n: pvr 150,250,350,500 FTW
[16:57:00] fryfrog: s34n: or for HDTV, get an air2pc HD5000 or ummm, one of the others?
[16:57:00] fryfrog: FTW is "for teh win" right?
[16:58:00] fryfrog: i don't wanna give anyone the wrong idea about an acryonym... when i was on the interweb first i thought "lol" was "lots of love" :/
[16:58:00] hfghfh: the 250 is not made anymore and is just much hotter than the 150
[16:58:00] fryfrog: yar, i'd go 150 or 500
[16:58:00] fryfrog: actually, 500 for sure
[16:58:00] fryfrog: 2 tuners, 1 pci card *super-duper(
[16:58:00] s34n: I've used the 250, and wrestled with ivtv
[16:58:00] hfghfh: i agree
[16:59:00] fryfrog: now-a-days, ivtv is spiffy
[16:59:00] fryfrog: actually, even back in the day it wasn't too bad
[16:59:00] fryfrog: i've had 4x pvr250's in one box, no problemo
[16:59:00] fryfrog: currently have 2x in one box, 1x in another and an air2pc card i'm fooling with
[17:00:00] hfghfh: why that many in one box
[17:00:00] fryfrog: i got a good deal on 3 cards
[17:01:00] fryfrog: then a friend gave up on myth and gave me 1
[17:01:00] fryfrog: in retrospect, 2 tuners is plenty :)
[17:01:00] hfghfh: or do you use to encode the signal from an external settop box
[17:01:00] fryfrog: nah, no external set-top yet
[17:01:00] fryfrog: tried it, but wasn't worth the hastle
[17:02:00] hfghfh: yeah, two tuners are a minimum since you may want to record two channels at the same time
[17:02:00] hfghfh: but four?
[17:02:00] Beirdo: four isn't enough :)
[17:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: I have 3 in one box, sometimes (though very rare) even then I can't record something cause all are in use
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[17:05:00] hfghfh: thats sick, then you must live to television :-)
[17:05:00] hfghfh: *for
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: No, they just schedule everything that I , My Fiancee and My daughter watch at the same time :)
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[17:06:00] juski: s34n: I tried a framegrabber card between xmas & new year.. I won't be bothering again.. rtjpeg on my CPU looked more like VHS. My 150 card on the other hand... wow :)
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[17:07:00] fryfrog: yeah, thats the big problem
[17:07:00] fryfrog: the networks put all the good shows on at the same time
[17:07:00] fryfrog: or, all the shows i like and others think are good :)
[17:08:00] Beirdo: a lot of stuff is on at say 10pm
[17:08:00] fryfrog: speaking of good shows, did anyone see BSG?
[17:08:00] Merlin83b2: Gotta love the +1 channels though :-)
[17:08:00] fryfrog: +1 channels?
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: yeah, I loved watching them kick Cyclon butt
[17:08:00] Merlin83b2: fryfrog: My mates all say it's ace and I will be borrowing the DVDs from one of them.
[17:09:00] fryfrog: I can't think of another sci-fi tv series that is better
[17:09:00] fryfrog: i think its even better than ST:TNG
[17:10:00] Merlin83b2: Best we don't start talking Trek. Things could get ugly since this is the internet.
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, cause you know someone will start in about Babylon 5 :)
[17:10:00] fryfrog: I think most will agree that ST:V, ST:DS9 and ST:E all sucked (cept for 7of9duh!)
[17:10:00] ** Merlin83b2 refrains from replying to either of those. **
[17:11:00] fryfrog: i rewatched that series a while ago...
[17:11:00] fryfrog: good, but looking back i can't believe i thought the special effects were "awsome" back then :)
[17:11:00] hfghfh: yeah, dont miscredit the trek franchise or you will probably be hunted down by some lunatic trekkie :-)
[17:11:00] Merlin83b2: fryfrog: That's Amigas for you :-)
[17:12:00] fryfrog: ever watch eps of space above and beyond?
[17:12:00] fryfrog: compared to now-a-days, the graphics are childish :)
[17:12:00] fryfrog: does anyone watch that "veronica rose" show?
[17:12:00] fryfrog: or something like that?
[17:12:00] Merlin83b2: Yep, seen all of Above and Beyond. Along with all of the listed so far.
[17:12:00] Merlin83b2: Veronica Mars
[17:12:00] fryfrog: what kind of show is it?
[17:13:00] Merlin83b2: Meant to be quite good, haven't seen it. PI in an authoritarian environment.
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[17:13:00] Merlin83b2: Who happens to be a hot chick.
[17:14:00] fryfrog: so a crime type show?
[17:14:00] Merlin83b2: Something like that, yeah. Chick investigates mysteries.
[17:14:00] Merlin83b2: She's at school during the day, does her saving the world bit at night. Sound familiar?
[17:15:00] fryfrog: a little... buff?
[17:15:00] fryfrog: buffy? :)
[17:15:00] Merlin83b2: Yeah, but less supernatural stuff.
[17:16:00] Merlin83b2: It did fill the hole in the market when Buffy finished though.
[17:16:00] fryfrog: highschool? :)
[17:16:00] Merlin83b2: I believe so. She's 18.
[17:20:00] Merlin83b2: Come on poor little Epia! Been compiling all afternoon, it has 10 minutes or so until I go home and I'd like a new optimised Myth to go home to.
[17:21:00] fryfrog: distcc and/or ccache!
[17:21:00] Merlin83b2: I have but one linux machine to compile on.
[17:21:00] stuarta: ccache
[17:21:00] Merlin83b2: Sounds like a plan – hadn't heard of it before.
[17:22:00] Merlin83b2: Reading a little now.
[17:22:00] stuarta: although you will still need to go through an entire compile cycle to populate the ccache
[17:22:00] Merlin83b2: :<
[17:22:00] stuarta: hence the *cache* part of the name
[17:23:00] Merlin83b2: Yeah, thought it might cache small parts from earlier in the compile to use again.
[17:23:00] Merlin83b2: What happens on a make (dist)clean?
[17:23:00] Merlin83b2: Does it clear out the cache too?
[17:23:00] stuarta: ccache is outside the compile tree, so no.
[17:24:00] stuarta: must go, new video card to test.....
[17:24:00] Merlin83b2: I'll get that going for next time, thanks.
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[17:26:00] fryfrog: are you using gentoo?
[17:26:00] fryfrog: ccache just knows if you are compiling something new or old
[17:26:00] Merlin83b2: I am not.
[17:26:00] fryfrog: if its old, its instant
[17:26:00] fryfrog: if its new, it takes just as long as normal but *next* time it'd be instant
[17:26:00] Merlin83b2: Yeah, makes sense having read a bit about it.
[17:27:00] fryfrog: for instance, compiling QT (for me) the first time took like 45min... 2nd compile (slightly newer version) took about 10min
[17:27:00] Merlin83b2: Well Myth last night took 2h45.
[17:27:00] fryfrog: wowsa!
[17:27:00] Merlin83b2: This afternoon it has so far been going for 3h25
[17:27:00] fryfrog: thats one poor slow cpu :(
[17:27:00] Merlin83b2: Welcome to the wacky world of Epia :-)
[17:27:00] fryfrog: is it lacking ram or something?
[17:28:00] fryfrog: how long does a kernel compile take?
[17:28:00] Merlin83b2: 256MB.
[17:28:00] Merlin83b2: Never done one :-)
[17:28:00] Merlin83b2: Never intend to :-)
[17:28:00] fryfrog: hehe
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[17:28:00] fryfrog: even my Athlon XP 1800+ is n't that slow :)
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[17:28:00] Merlin83b2: Correct – this is a 1GHz C3 processor.
[17:29:00] fryfrog: blech :)
[17:29:00] fryfrog: does it run your FE and BE?
[17:29:00] Merlin83b2: It does :-)
[17:29:00] Merlin83b2: On board MPEG2 decoder and DVB card so no encoding needed :-)
[17:29:00] fryfrog: surely has a pvr card though?
[17:29:00] fryfrog: ah
[17:29:00] Merlin83b2: So no need (hopefully once this build is done) for a beefy CPU.
[17:30:00] sphing: Merlin83b2: so you're m10k runs both?
[17:30:00] Merlin83b2: sphing: It does.
[17:30:00] sphing: nice... i just have my 10k running just the fe
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[17:31:00] Merlin83b2: For FE I'd go with an m6k or something.
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[17:31:00] sphing: i'm trying to find a case just for the mobo, Id like just have the mobo
[17:32:00] fryfrog: They sound spiffy, except that I'd like to be able to do HDTV
[17:32:00] sphing: yea, they cant do HD i've read
[17:32:00] fryfrog: i spose that little built in decoder isn't up to HDTV? or?
[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: sphing: Plenty around :-)
[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: No HD in .uk for a while.
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[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: I don't know, probably not.
[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: CLE266 if you want to google.
[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: aka unichrome.
[17:32:00] sphing: Merlin83b2: ... just to be clear, literally Just the mobo, no HD, no drives, nothing
[17:32:00] fryfrog: i'm to lazy :)
[17:32:00] Merlin83b2: There are the MII boards...
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[17:33:00] juski: bah
[17:33:00] fryfrog: wb, we missed you
[17:33:00] juski: like a hole in the head, I bet
[17:34:00] fryfrog: our aim is getting better ;)
[17:34:00] juski: how am I supposed to keep myself from doing work if I get chucked out?
[17:34:00] Beirdo: I thought we only winged him?
[17:35:00] fryfrog: i have two minor issues to deal with now: 1) for some reason, my slave backend looks in /var/run/mythtv/.mythtv/ for mysql.txt
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[17:35:00] fryfrog: 2) i get a buzzing from audio :/
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[17:35:00] fryfrog: if dvi/hdmi is disconnected, it stops (and of course if i do the same with audio cable)
[17:35:00] juski: ground loop
[17:36:00] Beirdo: fryfrog: what's the mythtv user's homedir set to?
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[17:36:00] Beirdo: or whoever you run the backend as
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[17:37:00] fryfrog: i *think* gentoo's init.d is setting it to that /var/run
[17:37:00] fryfrog: which is what i think the problem is
[17:37:00] fryfrog: and now i have to "real" work, afk
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[17:45:00] fryfrog: how can i solve a ground loop?
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[17:54:00] hfghfh: try to turn your power plug 180 degrees, i might help depending on how your electrical system is wired
[17:57:00] SteveDaniels: Who here has the M10K booting off the network?
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[18:01:00] sphing: SteveDaniels: i dont, but i've seen plenty of howtos
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[18:07:00] s34n: hfghfh: which geforce would you recommend for a lower budget?
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[18:08:00] travolta-: cheapest you can get
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[18:11:00] hfghfh: a low budget geforce 6xxx card. select one without fan to keep the noise down
[18:11:00] kormoc: s34n, MX4000 is good for just normal watching of SDTV
[18:12:00] kormoc: s34n, the MX4000 runs about $30 or so
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[18:13:00] kormoc: s34n, the next step up would be the 5200 cards, running at about $45 for 2x the memory of a MX4000 and a bit faster.
[18:13:00] kormoc: s34n, my 5200 can deal with HDTV quite well
[18:14:00] kormoc: s34n, the 6200 is the next step up, runs about $70, usually 2x the ram of a 5200 and another nice bump in speed
[18:15:00] Beirdo: need.... rum...
[18:15:00] s34n: kormoc: Newegg has the 6200TC for $50
[18:15:00] kormoc: s34n, niceness. they went down sense the last time I looked then :)
[18:15:00] kormoc: Beirdo, need... black... seal... rum... :)
[18:15:00] Beirdo: need.. Bacardi 151...
[18:15:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:16:00] s34n: kormoc: ok. they have 1, then an AOpen at $70, then they go to $95
[18:17:00] s34n: I've never done HDTV. How do you bring it into your HTPC?
[18:18:00] kormoc: I don't, I've just watched some hdtv quality shows to see if my card could do it
[18:18:00] kormoc: Some people here buy HDTV cards to capture HDTV
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[18:19:00] Beirdo: some people need to go have lunch :)
[18:19:00] JoeyJoeJo: how can I browse the folders in svn? is it possible?
[18:19:00] Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org
[18:19:00] GreyFoxx: Man, QMap gets pretty slow when you are using a 5 dimensional Qmap
[18:20:00] GreyFoxx: hehe time to redo this
[18:20:00] GreyFoxx: JoeyJoeJo: I assume you mean browse the SVN source ?
[18:21:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, just to see whats in there without having to download everything
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: There is a Browse Source link on the URL Beirdo just posted
[18:21:00] JoeyJoeJo: on svn.mythtv.org?
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: Yup
[18:21:00] JoeyJoeJo: ok, sweet
[18:21:00] GreyFoxx: Look under Trunk
[18:23:00] JoeyJoeJo: what's mythmovietime?
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[18:24:00] xris: JoeyJoeJo: for subscribers of lxmsuite.com (shortly becoming defunct), local movie times
[18:24:00] JoeyJoeJo: ah, ok
[18:24:00] xris: someone really should write a scraper for local movie times.. would be awesome.
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[18:26:00] JoeyJoeJo: so is the frontend becoming a daemon?
[18:27:00] xris: parts of it
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[18:30:00] JoeyJoeJo: in gentoo's portage I've installed mythtv .19-pre8554, but mythweb is not in portage. is there a way to get the 8554 version of mythweb still?
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[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: svn co -r 8554 http://svnblahblahblah
[18:30:00] cortezdapimp: i just got an hdtv
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: totally psyched
[18:31:00] JoeyJoeJo: sweet, thanks greyfoxx
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: so i got a video card with dvi output and hooked it up via an hdmi adapter.
[18:31:00] fryfrog: cortezdapimp: thats how mine's hooked up :)
[18:31:00] fryfrog: i hope you didn't buy your DVI->HDMI cable at a retail store :/
[18:31:00] cortezdapimp: but now my myth menu font size is tiny (unreadably small), even though i changed it in the appearance settings
[18:32:00] cortezdapimp: fsck no, i got it from newegg
[18:32:00] cortezdapimp: 5m cable for 25$
[18:32:00] fryfrog: cortezdapimp: in your X config, change your DPI
[18:32:00] fryfrog: lemme look
[18:32:00] cortezdapimp: ahhhhh ok,
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[18:33:00] fryfrog: DisplaySize 320 180
[18:33:00] cortezdapimp: so i exit out of mythtv frontend, and then what? I can open an xterm but the font size is too small on the menu so i cant read any other options
[18:33:00] fryfrog: thats what i use
[18:33:00] fryfrog: use ssh from another server?
[18:33:00] cortezdapimp: oh ok from the xfree86config file
[18:33:00] fryfrog: er, system?
[18:33:00] cortezdapimp: got it
[18:33:00] cortezdapimp: ya that i can do
[18:33:00] cortezdapimp: i was hoping it wasnt a gui setting :)
[18:33:00] fryfrog: that was in the "Monitor" section in xorg.conf
[18:34:00] cortezdapimp: i know xorg and xfree are similar, is that gonna be in the monitor section of xfree86config?
[18:35:00] cortezdapimp: hmm i dont see it in there...
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[18:39:00] cortezdapimp: ok cool thanks for the tip
[18:39:00] cortezdapimp: i went and searched google for dpi xfree86config and found i just need to change the order of the font sizes searched for.
[18:39:00] cortezdapimp: i bet they're gonna be huge now since i cranked them up lol
[18:40:00] xris: cortezdapimp: X -configure
[18:41:00] xris: helps a lot to detect settings like that (may or may not help your case)
[18:41:00] cortezdapimp: word
[18:42:00] cortezdapimp: my only other problem is finding a good modeline
[18:42:00] cortezdapimp: i have one that works ok but has a ton of overscan
[18:42:00] SuperLag: We all just got given a free motherboard here at work, and I'm wanting to build a MythTV box, but I think this might be overkill. Never having done it, I'm not sure. It's an Intel D945Pvs motherboard.
[18:42:00] cortezdapimp: what kind of work gives out motherboards?
[18:42:00] xris: SuperLag: you suck. intel's been holding back on their deals for us.
[18:43:00] xris: and yes, it's total overkill. upgrade your desktop, and use that for your mythbox.
[18:43:00] SuperLag: cortezdapimp: we sell hardware, and we get deals every so often. Plus it's Intel trying to butter us up, since we're primarily an AMD shop.
[18:43:00] SuperLag: xris: haha. My desktop is a Mac Mini :)
[18:43:00] xris: SuperLag: what company?
[18:43:00] xris: SuperLag: ahhh...
[18:43:00] SuperLag: xris: www.advancedclustering.com
[18:43:00] cortezdapimp: makes sense
[18:44:00] xris: ooh, competitor.. (siliconmechanics.com)
[18:44:00] xris: intel used to give us $200 mobo/proc/XP deals... hasn't been one in ages, though, and I want a system upgrade
[18:45:00] SuperLag: xris: do you guys actually do clustering though? I don't think we're direct competitors.
[18:45:00] xris: we do some, but it's definitely not our usual thing
[18:45:00] SuperLag: that's our usual thing :)
[18:47:00] xris: will have to bug our sales dept to bug intel....
[18:47:00] kormoc: yeah, maybe we can poke intel enough that it will rain enough mobos that I can get a cheap upgrade!
[18:47:00] xris: heh
[18:48:00] jams: Hey SuperLag you were on my list of companies to possibly inquire about a job. Course that was a few years ago
[18:48:00] SuperLag: man.... building this box isn't going to be cheap
[18:48:00] SuperLag: DDR2, PCI Express video
[18:49:00] SuperLag: jams: yeah, I've been here about 4 months.
[18:49:00] SuperLag: good company to work for, but they're not hiring right now
[18:50:00] jams: well i'm not looking, nor am I in the area anymore =)
[18:50:00] kormoc: SuperLag, (btw, your SSL certificate has expired)
[18:50:00] jams: heh, almost been a few year since it expired
[18:50:00] kormoc: yeah
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[19:01:00] SteveDaniels: Anyone know Aran Cox
[19:01:00] SteveDaniels: ?
[19:02:00] beavis: Alan Cox?
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[19:03:00] SteveDaniels: Definately Aran
[19:04:00] SteveDaniels: Just seen a post from him saying he was just about to do a FC4 diskless boot mythtv frontend from about October, was going to ask him for some pointers, I just don't seem to be grasping it all..
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[19:11:00] kormoc: SteveDaniels, not many people in here go by their real names
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[19:13:00] SteveDaniels: I kinda notice that..
[19:13:00] Kelerion: anyone know what package "tcmplex" would be in? I know I had it at one point.. I have mplex but not tcmplex
[19:14:00] Beirdo: transcode
[19:14:00] Kelerion: I have transcode.. lol
[19:15:00] Beirdo: [gjhurlbu@barrel gjhurlbu]$ rpm -ql transcode | grep tcmplex
[19:15:00] Beirdo: /usr/bin/tcmplex
[19:15:00] Beirdo: on my machine, that's where it comes from
[19:15:00] Beirdo: it's part of transcode
[19:15:00] Kelerion: can I copy/paste 7 lines? or is that too much?
[19:15:00] Beirdo: you really should pastebin that much
[19:16:00] ** Beirdo feels his back go CRUNCH... **
[19:16:00] Beirdo: grrr
[19:16:00] Kelerion: http://pastebin.com/508532
[19:16:00] Kelerion: wierd huh?
[19:16:00] Beirdo: that's debian or RH-based?
[19:17:00] Kelerion: ubuntu
[19:17:00] Beirdo: so debian-based
[19:17:00] Beirdo: OK
[19:17:00] Kelerion: yup
[19:17:00] Beirdo: dpkg -L transcode | grep tcmplex
[19:17:00] Kelerion: nothing
[19:17:00] Beirdo: dpkg -L transcode | less
[19:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:18:00] Beirdo: and see what's in it :)
[19:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:18:00] xris: Beirdo: it's apparently not in ubuntu
[19:18:00] xris: apt can't find it
[19:18:00] Beirdo: well that's retarded
[19:18:00] xris: it's patent-encumbered
[19:18:00] Kelerion: a good few tc* binaries.. but not tcmplex
[19:19:00] Beirdo: tcmplex is?
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[19:19:00] xris: mpeg
[19:19:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:19:00] jeff01: anyone know if the ati 9000 is supported?
[19:19:00] Beirdo: that doesn't stop ffpmeg, etc from being in multiverse
[19:19:00] Kelerion: http://pastebin.com/508538
[19:19:00] xris: jeff01: supported by what?
[19:19:00] Beirdo: jeff01: yes, with the ATI drivers
[19:19:00] dasOp: xris: I belive ubuntu can use nerims multimedia dpkg archive
[19:19:00] Kelerion: thats the contents
[19:20:00] Beirdo: that's retarded
[19:20:00] jeff01: Beirdo: good; i remember reading somehwere that no ati cards were supported; mustve been old info
[19:20:00] Beirdo: they put in demux but not mux?!
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[19:20:00] xris: dasOp: that's cool. doesn't affect me, I only use ubuntu at work.
[19:20:00] Kelerion: I know I had it at one point! lol
[19:20:00] Beirdo: jeff01: no, what's NOT supported is AIW capture
[19:20:00] xris: jeff01: ati released "ok" linux drivers that support everything past 8xxx
[19:20:00] xris: which means my 7500 is stuck with the crappy OSS drivers.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: "OK" = "as good as many of nvidia's binary drivers"
[19:21:00] xris: Beirdo: but nvidia is still better/easier to deal with.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:21:00] Beirdo: easier to deal with, but the ATI cards are actually technically better for TV-out until the last year or so
[19:22:00] kormoc: jeff01, hardware mpeg decoding (xvmc) is not supported at all on ATI cards, but it's not required.
[19:22:00] Beirdo: if you can make the *#$@ing drivers behave
[19:22:00] Beirdo: Kelerion: what version of transcode is that?
[19:23:00] Kelerion: one sec.. checking
[19:25:00] Kelerion: transcode_2%3a1.0.1–0.0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[19:25:00] Beirdo: ooh yay, another apache update?!
[19:26:00] Beirdo: hmm, hmm
[19:26:00] Beirdo: maybe they took tcmplex out upstream?
[19:27:00] Beirdo: beats me
[19:27:00] Kelerion: it's possible.. like I say, I remember having it at one point.. so maybe the new install didn't get it if they'd taking it out
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[19:28:00] JoeyJoeJo: are there any mythweb themes yet
[19:28:00] JoeyJoeJo: ?
[19:28:00] xris: no
[19:28:00] xris: well, yes
[19:28:00] xris: old ones.
[19:28:00] kormoc: there is default!
[19:28:00] xris: not for svn, though
[19:28:00] xris: svn mythweb is skinnable.
[19:28:00] xris: should really work on the compact/light theme for mythweb svn now that I've standardized stuff
[19:29:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, but the default is ugly
[19:29:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:29:00] ** xris takes personal offense to that **
[19:29:00] Beirdo: the default is fine
[19:29:00] Beirdo: I like it
[19:29:00] xris: it's ugly in some technical ways, but I like the look
[19:29:00] JoeyJoeJo: it works great, but I'd just like something different looking
[19:29:00] Kelerion: xris: can nuvexport use mplex instead of tcmplex?
[19:30:00] Beirdo: you think you can do better, I'm sure a contribution would be appreciated once the structure's ready :)
[19:30:00] kormoc: JoeyJoeJo, you could do your own skin
[19:30:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, I thought about looking into that. how are skins handled in svn? css?
[19:30:00] xris: Kelerion: for vcd/svcd? I had AV sync issues with mplex
[19:30:00] Kelerion: dvd
[19:30:00] xris: JoeyJoeJo: upgrade to svn and give me some css for a new skin
[19:30:00] xris: Kelerion: same issue
[19:31:00] xris: use ffmpeg for dvd, though
[19:31:00] xris: much faster
[19:31:00] Kelerion: 16 hours to convert it.. then it deleted the .mpv and .mpa files after not finding tcmplex! lol
[19:31:00] Beirdo: you upgrade transcode during those 16h?
[19:31:00] Goose-Npa: what are you tryin to convert?
[19:31:00] Kelerion: nope
[19:31:00] JoeyJoeJo: I'll give it a go, but don't hold your breath.. I'm not to great at these kinds of things
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[19:31:00] marc_in_lux: good evening
[19:32:00] marc_in_lux: is there a way for mythweb to go to another port for its mysql needs?
[19:32:00] marc_in_lux: I have a tunnel to mysql on my mythtv server, but that cannot come out at 3306 on the mythweb webserver
[19:33:00] Kelerion: ok.. so will "nuvexport --ffmpeg --require_cutlist --mode dvd --title="$1" --force_mythtranscode --path=/video/Videos --nice=10" try to use tcmplex again?
[19:33:00] xris: marc_in_lux: no, but put a ticket in at svn.mythtv.org and I'll make sure it gets added before .19
[19:34:00] xris: well, if I can
[19:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:34:00] Beirdo: so xris...
[19:34:00] Beirdo: found something my trac update borked
[19:35:00] Beirdo: my commit-email.pl changes went bye-bye
[19:35:00] Beirdo: had to restore from tape :)
[19:35:00] xris: yeah, looks like adding port is easy... marc_in_lux, just add it to the hostname
[19:35:00] xris: oops
[19:35:00] Beirdo: and renamed my modified version this time... and symlinked to it
[19:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:35:00] Beirdo: ain't gonna have THAT happen again
[19:36:00] Beirdo: I was like "where the hell are all the commit messages!?"
[19:36:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:36:00] marc_in_lux: ticket just submitted, xris
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: marcus2_: You can just add the port to the hostname string
[19:36:00] Juski: Kelerion: got that video uploaded.. www.juski.co.uk/videos/
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: so rather than "localhost" make it "localhost:3333"
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: or whatever the IP/host should be
[19:36:00] ** Kelerion goes to look **
[19:36:00] Beirdo: beerme.com:1234
[19:37:00] xris: marc_in_lux: going to close it with the solution I just mentioned
[19:37:00] marc_in_lux: ok :-) I'm just trying that out
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[19:42:00] Beirdo: Van Halen is bad for my hearing
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[19:44:00] Kelerion: Juski: *excellent* job! I very impressed dude!
[19:44:00] Kelerion: makes me want to have a myth box
[19:45:00] Juski: heheh cheers :)
[19:45:00] Kelerion: oh.. I had one! woohoo!
[19:45:00] Juski: I'm in the wrong job.. several times over
[19:45:00] Kelerion: lol
[19:45:00] Beirdo: I think mythweb was the clincher for me :)
[19:45:00] Beirdo: being able to schedule, etc from work... WAY better than a damn VCR plus tape rotation
[19:45:00] Kelerion: yup
[19:46:00] Kelerion: ok – food time..bbl
[19:46:00] Juski: I think the fact I got it working in less time than it took to figure out showshifter was a PoS, did it for me
[19:46:00] Beirdo: you forget something, you can schedule anywhere you have authenticated web access
[19:46:00] Beirdo: I love it
[19:46:00] Juski: 'away from home' just about sums it up though
[19:46:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:47:00] Beirdo: even at home, I use mythweb for about 99% of my scheduling, etc
[19:47:00] Juski: same here
[19:47:00] Juski: we only power up the frontend when we wanna watch something
[19:47:00] Beirdo: usually have the TV playing a show :)
[19:47:00] Chutt: Juski, there seems to be tons of dead space in the grayhem wide theme
[19:47:00] Beirdo: so if I want to schedule, I use the laptop :)
[19:48:00] Juski: Chutt: I know.. gonna work on that when I can
[19:48:00] JoeyJoeJo: is 802.11G fast enough to do 1080i recordings from backend to frontend?
[19:48:00] Chutt: JoeyJoeJo, no.
[19:48:00] Juski: not all the pages have been made wide yet.. not sure how some of them can be made to work in a wide mode but I'll have a stab at it
[19:48:00] JoeyJoeJo: I didn't figure.. is 100mb lan even fast enough, or should I get 1GB?
[19:48:00] Chutt: 100mb should be fine.
[19:48:00] Chutt: Juski, like, even the main menu :p
[19:49:00] Juski: there's _still_ not enough room to accomodate UK channel names in the program guide
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: There is a new time element that a theme can put onscreen now isn't there ?
[19:49:00] Juski: the clock element?
[19:49:00] Chutt: GreyFoxx, nope
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, I'd love to have somesort of time indicator on screen
[19:50:00] Juski: I checked ... it was just a patch & wasn't checked in
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: I thought I had read about one recently being added in a commit
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok
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[19:50:00] Chutt: better handled in mythui
[19:50:00] Juski: that could've changed of course
[19:50:00] rtsai: Juski: nice video, except that I think it makes MythTV look too exciting. I know I don't feel that c00l Mything from my couch ...
[19:50:00] JoeyJoeJo: does anyone have a link to a guide on how to get channel logos to show up in the tv guide?
[19:51:00] Beirdo: umm, isn't that in the FM?
[19:51:00] Beirdo: RTFM as in?
[19:51:00] laga: Juski: where can i get that video?
[19:51:00] Juski: laga: scrolly upwards
[19:51:00] rtsai: 14:36 <Juski> Kelerion: got that video uploaded.. www.juski.co.uk/videos/
[19:51:00] rtsai: heh
[19:51:00] laga: thx
[19:51:00] laga: Juski: too lazy :)
[19:52:00] Juski: sorry it's an avi folks..
[19:52:00] Juski: (too lazy)
[19:52:00] laga: hehe
[19:52:00] rtsai: gmplayer handled it just fine
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: Quick, saturate his upstream!
[19:52:00] rtsai: charge!!!!
[19:52:00] Juski: so Chutt: are you kidding or do you have a suggestion to make grayhem better?
[19:53:00] rtsai: Juski: I agree with his comment about dead space. I've been playing with the theme files myself.
[19:53:00] Chutt: well, the main menu could easily fit another item
[19:53:00] Chutt: and it's _empty_
[19:53:00] Chutt: the watermarks are tiny
[19:53:00] Chutt: the watch recordings screen
[19:53:00] Chutt: well, that takes up about 2/3 the available space :p
[19:53:00] Chutt: vertical space, that is
[19:53:00] Juski: yeh point taken
[19:55:00] Chutt: the preview could be made bigger, as well as the selection area
[19:55:00] Juski: ahh.. didn't know the preview could be made bigger.. never played with that
[19:56:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: LMAO A**L Teens ring any bells? A great MythTV Demo vid btw!
[19:56:00] Juski: the watermarks are 300x300 though.. I thought they'd be big enough :-/
[19:57:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: A**L Teens?...
[19:57:00] Chutt: they look tiny on my tv
[19:57:00] SteveDaniels: Program finder
[19:57:00] Juski: rotflmao
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[19:57:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: 2:09 into the clip!
[19:57:00] Juski: oops... have to rework that one then
[19:57:00] Juski: trust you to spot that
[19:57:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: Leave it!
[19:57:00] Juski: damn pesky adult channels
[19:58:00] SteveDaniels: It adds a bit of humour :-P
[19:58:00] Juski: did you run that frame by frame or something, or is it just how your mind works? ;)
[19:58:00] Chutt: you pause on that program name for a while
[19:58:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:59:00] Juski: lol
[19:59:00] Beirdo: shoulda hit play
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[19:59:00] Juski: I honestly didn't notice
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: hehehe saw that hehe
[19:59:00] Juski: freudian edit?
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: Cool video though :)
[19:59:00] SteveDaniels: It only "clicked" in my mind because as I was demo'ing the program guide to my mum the other day I had to scroll past that very fast...
[20:00:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:00:00] Juski: actually.. it was porn that made VHS so popular.. maybe the same'll happen with mythtv ;)
[20:00:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:01:00] kormoc: nah
[20:01:00] kormoc: porn made the inet popular
[20:01:00] xris: not until myth has better support for ppv
[20:01:00] Beirdo: oh good god
[20:02:00] redline-: hey guys anyone know why Myth would change to a black screen while I am watching tv but another program is about to record?
[20:02:00] JoeyJoeJo: for some reason my mkiconmap.pl isn't working, or I'm not using it correctly.. every time I run it, I get a blank xml document
[20:02:00] kormoc: redline-, watching tv or watching a recorded show?
[20:02:00] SteveDaniels: Well with the extraview/redhot patch... ;-)
[20:02:00] redline-: watching regular tv then a timed recoding comes on and the OSD pops up giving me options
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[20:03:00] redline-: even if i choose record and watch it just goes black
[20:03:00] SteveDaniels: redline-: how many tuners do you habe?
[20:03:00] SteveDaniels: oh..
[20:03:00] redline-: I have a pvr 500
[20:03:00] redline-: dual tuner
[20:03:00] redline-: all i get in output is switching from live tv to none
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[20:06:00] redline-: then i have to restart mythtv again to get a picture
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[20:08:00] Juski: JoeyJoJo: it might be that your grabber doesn't support downloading icons.. it's easy enough to add icons yourself.. download em to a directory somewhere, then edit each channel in the channel table & point the entry at each icon. Job done
[20:08:00] laga: Juski: i'm really impressed. nice video.
[20:09:00] Juski: cheers laga :)
[20:09:00] ** Juski loves his Sony Vegas **
[20:09:00] laga: hehe
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[20:10:00] laga: would you mind if i posted that in our LinuxTag discussion?
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[20:10:00] Juski: checkout me lip-syncing the crazy frog to Tony Blair too...
[20:10:00] laga: lol
[20:10:00] Juski: course not laga.. my webspace can take a hammerring
[20:10:00] laga: k ;)
[20:10:00] laga: k
[20:11:00] Juski: took over 2GB of downloads in a day for it to get pulled a while back
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[20:13:00] _willcooke_: Juski, what did you use to create it? All OSS stuff?
[20:14:00] _willcooke_: Juski, Tunem BTW.
[20:14:00] _willcooke_: tune even
[20:14:00] Juski: _willcooke_: I'll be crucified for this, but no
[20:14:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I didnt think so, 'cos I've never seen anything on linux that would let you make that
[20:15:00] Juski: I'm not even gonna try OSS video editing til I've had some more money's worth out of Vegas
[20:15:00] _willcooke_: well, without a f'ing command line anyway
[20:15:00] Juski: lol
[20:15:00] Juski: there _is_ a linux video editor that does all that stuff, but it costs serious money
[20:15:00] Juski: and the hardware requirements they talk about... rendering farm etc
[20:16:00] _willcooke_: Blimey!
[20:17:00] znoG: would anyone happen to know if there is some "decoder" tool for mythtv to decode codified channels?
[20:17:00] Juski: znoG: no
[20:17:00] Juski: as in NO there isn't and NO there never will be
[20:17:00] znoG: oook :)
[20:19:00] Juski: the only way to do it is by using legit hardware
[20:20:00] topping: hey guys, what fonts/config am i missing so that foreign film titles with wacky glyphs render correctly in mythvideo?
[20:22:00] topping: is this a RTFM question?
[20:22:00] Juski: _willcooke_: I just realised.. I encoded it with ffmpeg ;)
[20:23:00] Juski: that makes _all_ the difference
[20:23:00] ** laga slaps znoG with a garden gnome **
[20:25:00] _willcooke_: Juski, :)
[20:25:00] _willcooke_: does anyone know off the top of their heads which ubuntu (or debian) packages I need for the IMDB script?
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[20:28:00] _willcooke_: FWIW, libxml-simple-perl
[20:28:00] Juski: erm.. there's more than that
[20:29:00] Juski: someone in here helped me sort it out on my ubuntu box....
[20:29:00] _willcooke_: is there, oh! Well, it's stopped giving me an error about XML:Simple.pm so thats a start
[20:29:00] Juski: ah... put it that way.. XML:Simple.. that might be the only one then
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[20:30:00] Juski: oops
[20:30:00] Juski: I think it might need the perl sql stuff too
[20:30:00] _willcooke_: still wont find anything, but that is probably the titles things have
[20:31:00] _willcooke_: where is says manually enter an IMDB number, is that number the last part of the url on the imdb site?
[20:31:00] Juski: yeh... l337_the_gun5_0f_n@v@r0n3.proper.xvid.avi doesn't work too well on the searches
[20:32:00] _willcooke_: :) – or "BBCDVD001212"
[20:32:00] Juski: last part of the IMDB URL, yeh
[20:32:00] Juski: or just change the metadata to say what it is, then search
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[20:34:00] _willcooke_: WTF does this mean.. "Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string "
[20:35:00] _willcooke_: I'm guessing that means I need more perl libs
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[20:37:00] Juski: I think it'll be in the logs from erm... early in the new year... hang on I'll find it
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[20:38:00] _willcooke_: Juski, Did you download your movie posters manually?
[20:39:00] Juski: nope
[20:39:00] _willcooke_: The script should do it?
[20:39:00] therp: does mythtv support regular X output? without XVideo? it seems xvideo isn't provided for my tvout .. any hints how to solve?
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: therp: It will fall back to regular X if it can't use xvideo
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: but you can also force myth to not use xvideo with the NO_XV environment variable
[20:41:00] therp: greyfoxx: is there any runtime switch so I can disable it for mythtv? like mplayer -vo x11? I haven't found anything from grep-ing
[20:41:00] _willcooke_: Ahh! It works! For "Ghosts Of Mars" (I haven't watched it yet, so don't go thinking I like it!!!!)
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: therp: just set the variable NO_XV before calling myth and it wont attempt to use xvideo for output
[20:42:00] therp: greyfoxx: many thanks
[20:45:00] therp: hm unfortunately it's way too slow for my 500mhz thing..
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: It would be
[20:46:00] therp: xvideo works, but regular X11.. hmm no luck..
[20:46:00] Juski: can't find it – so just aswell you fixed it yourself _willcooke_ ;)
[20:46:00] therp: I thought mpeg4 would be the main problem..
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: therp: Without Xvideo the writes to the screen are slower and I believe all scaling it done in software rather than hardware.
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: and mpeg4 takes more CPU to decode than mpeg2 in general. A 500mhz is pretty low on the totem pole
[20:47:00] therp: greyfoxx: yes, I know.. hm too bad.
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[20:47:00] ** therp will try with mplayer **
[20:51:00] JoeyJoeJo: does anyone in here have any experience with recording hdtv from a directv receiver over fireiwire?
[20:54:00] xris: directv does firewire?
[20:54:00] Juski: aha! http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/index.php?date=2006-01-05
[20:54:00] JoeyJoeJo: i don't know if they do or not
[20:54:00] Juski: found it meself.. damn you google
[20:54:00] xris: JoeyJoeJo: pretty sure they don't
[20:54:00] xris: I think for that, you have to buy a hacked-up box with firewire output
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[20:55:00] JoeyJoeJo: like that motorola dct box?
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[20:56:00] Caveman: where does Myth save its cover files for IMDB?
[20:56:00] xris: cable providers are required by FCC mandate to provide firewire-accessible boxes (with SD only) to paying HD customers that request it. some providers don't bother to downsample to 480p.
[20:56:00] Juski: mythtvtime :)
[20:56:00] Juski: byeeee
[20:56:00] Juski: /wuit
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[20:57:00] xris: JoeyJoeJo: afaik, http://www.169time.com/ is the only place to get one... and they're not cheap (or guaranteed to work)
[20:57:00] JoeyJoeJo: are there any copy protections on firewire ports yet, like the broadcast flag?
[20:57:00] JoeyJoeJo: ok, I'll check out the site
[20:58:00] xris: broadcast flag is just for broadcast
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[20:58:00] xris: but no, the fcc mandate is for unencrypted SD, *not* HD over firewirew
[20:59:00] JoeyJoeJo: gotcha
[21:00:00] xris: dunno about the 169time receivers... probably decrypted, since they'd have to be to be playable
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[21:05:00] Lobo75025: hello. can anyone help my figure out why all I see is a black screen when I click watchTV?
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[21:08:00] poser: so if I use a pvr 250 to copy video.. not through myth.. would I get mpeg2 video?
[21:08:00] Beirdo: 1) not a mythtv question 2) yes
[21:08:00] poser: thanks beirdo
[21:09:00] Beirdo: no problem
[21:10:00] jam: i have my pvr setup, and i can view output from the tuners on it
[21:10:00] poser: having some trouble creating a dvd from mpeg2 video, figure that I should mplex it but it doesn twork
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[21:10:00] jam: but i can't manage to covert this into viewing via myth, i think i'mstruggling with the channels aspect, does anybody have pointers for me
[21:12:00] HELP_blackscreen: When I click watch TV, I just get a black screen. (at least for a few seconds) Then it goes back to the mythtv menu. If I exit mythtv, I get the following message: RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()
[21:12:00] HELP_blackscreen: can anyone help?
[21:12:00] jam: not really, but i can symapthise cos that's about what i'm seeing
[21:13:00] kormoc: poser, might want to go ask in the channel of the tool you are using
[21:13:00] HELP_blackscreen: hmm. the mythbackend.log says : DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[21:14:00] HELP_blackscreen: I let it autoscan in channel setup and it found the channels I was expecting to see.
[21:14:00] HELP_blackscreen: did I miss a step ?
[21:14:00] poser: kormoc: kinda hard to figure what channel to use.. since Im using mplex
[21:14:00] jam: dvb-t?
[21:15:00] HELP_blackscreen: jam: me?
[21:16:00] jam: yeah
[21:16:00] HELP_blackscreen: its an hd3000 connected to the antenna in my attic.
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[21:18:00] HELP_blackscreen: jam: I though that was ATSC
[21:18:00] xris: HELP_blackscreen: mythfilldatabase
[21:18:00] jam: i was just guessing
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[21:19:00] xris: HELP_blackscreen: first, sign up for a zap2it listing and get it imported with mythfilldatabase... then grab and run http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt
[21:19:00] HELP_blackscreen: xris: I thought I did that. would I get that msg if there was a network failure ?
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[21:20:00] xris: HELP_blackscreen: if you ran mythfilldatabase you'd see it grabbing the listings
[21:21:00] HELP_blackscreen: xris: I think it was a network failure. I didn't see that. let me figure out my network issue. (easy enough :D )
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[21:24:00] jam: xris, given that i've sucessfully filled my db, with what i *think* are the right channels, what should i look at next?
[21:25:00] jam: (i'm uk based, so no nice easy way to fill DB)
[21:26:00] xris: jam: dvb vard?
[21:26:00] xris: card?
[21:26:00] jam: pvr 500
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[21:27:00] jam: i didn't get dvb reception so had to scrap that plan
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[21:34:00] jam: i can `cat /dev/video1 | mplayer -vo xv -` but anything via myth still eludes me
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[21:42:00] kormoc: Cardoe, pong
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[21:43:00] xris: jam: there's no xmltv for the uk?
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[21:44:00] therp: can anyone recommend a cheap setup box that can connect to mythtv and play mpeg4? (so that's not haupauge's mediamvp)
[21:45:00] glide: question about wiring, would I connect my digital tv set top box to the tv capture card, then connect the pc to the LAN and be able to run everything from another PC?
[21:45:00] Beirdo: governments suck
[21:45:00] therp: glide: you need to control the set top box somehow for channelswitching and so on.. have a look at irblaster
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[21:47:00] glide: therp: so what's the most common wiring?
[21:48:00] jam: xris, there is but i don't see any sucess having run through it
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[21:51:00] jam: scantv from the xawtv suite tells me it thinks there is stuff on 50, 53, 56 and 60 and i can tune to them using ivtv-tune
[21:52:00] jam: the bit i think i'm struggling with is getting that info into myth, but i could be on the wrong track
[21:52:00] xris: jam: but mythtv needs channel listings in order to work
[21:52:00] jam: is there a mini howto showing me what to dump?
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[21:52:00] jam: (in the setup i can see 4 channels listed)
[21:54:00] xris: unfortunately, I only know how to deal with xmltv or datadirect... it gets messy without either of those.
[21:55:00] jam: i'll go run through the script again
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[21:57:00] therp: glide: I presume most common is: kick your setup box and connect your cable/dvb carrier directly
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[21:59:00] Chacabaou: xris: Finally, you're around. I got a request concerning mythweb...I was told to contact you. (wait...I'm searching my logs)
[21:59:00] Juski: just a quick question: anyone in the UK record 'invasion' last night? had something weird happen after the last ad break.. still frame of a tyre with the right audio for almost a minute.. anybody else see that? maybe channel 4's fault.. could see interlace jitter on the still :-/
[21:59:00] glide: therp: i need to do more reading, methinks, thx
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[22:00:00] Pitchin_uk: hi juski
[22:00:00] Chacabaou: xris: It looks like mythweb's constant 'hostname' gets defined twice (in conf.php
[22:00:00] Chacabaou: and init.php).
[22:01:00] Juski: hi Pitchin_uk: check todays log for a solution to your init script problem :)
[22:01:00] Chacabaou: xris: And could you tell me if the 'hostname' constant is intended to reflect the machine's hostname or the backend's name? (that info should be added in the comment, imho)
[22:01:00] Pitchin_uk: juski: i worked out what it was
[22:02:00] Pitchin_uk: i needed to configure the script for the user who is running it
[22:02:00] Juski: xvalentinex> Go here http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/contrib/Attic/ and download the suse.etc.init.d.mythbackend
[22:02:00] Juski: right time for more mythtv watching...
[22:03:00] Juski: afk
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[22:13:00] Pitchin_uk: for the backend startup script – should the script in init.d be the same as the script in sysconfig
[22:13:00] ** jam stabs himself **
[22:13:00] jam: permissions on my /media dir were fudged
[22:13:00] jam: sorry for being a peon :|
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[22:19:00] quantum_: holy smokes what a pain in the ass, I was trying to get dvd ripping set up on linux to copy my dvd's onto my linux box. I tried all the different options on freshmeat and they don't install no mater what on FC3
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[22:19:00] quantum_: FC4 I mean
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[22:23:00] _willcooke_: quantum_, to get you started install mencoder (part of mplayer) and then:
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[22:24:00] _willcooke_: mencoder dvd://<dvd tracknumber> -ovc frameno -o frameno.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=96 -dvd-device <dvd device>
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[22:25:00] _willcooke_: mencoder dvd://<track> -ovc xvid -vf pp=hb/vb/dr -xvidencopts max_bframes=1:pass=1:bitrate=1500:trellis:vhq=1:me_quality=6
[22:25:00] _willcooke_: :hq_ac:turbo -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=96 -o <filename> -ffourcc DX50 -dvdangle 1 -dvd-device <device>
[22:25:00] _willcooke_: and then again with pass=2
[22:26:00] quantum__: what does that do
[22:26:00] _willcooke_: quantum_, ignore than first line
[22:26:00] _willcooke_: quantum_, it will convert a dvd to a xvid
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[22:28:00] quantum__: I'll give it a shot. I had myth dvd rip working for a while kind of, but it would only rip the french audio track or the english commentary. the actual audio track it would not rip, though it would sometimes play the correct track in the dvd player. any idea how to fix that
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[22:29:00] _willcooke_: I've had loads of problems with myth dvd rip, so I've simply given up and gone back to my old shell scripts to do it with mencoder.
[22:30:00] quantum__: sounds like the best choice
[22:30:00] _willcooke_: I've had the lip sync waaaay out, I've had aspect ratio's all wrong, I had it simply refuse to transcode for no obvious reason, all in all I've given up on it!
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[22:31:00] quantum__: yeah, and I think he said he had stopped all developement work on the DVD stuff a while back
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[22:44:00] znoG: what do you guys use to convert a .nuv file to .avi?
[22:45:00] timolol: hello, I'd like to know in mythtv, when we play a recorded video, does the frontend calls mplayer or is it coded into mythfrontend ? (I'd like to change vo=xv to vo=gl to have the synck on opengl)
[22:46:00] xpis: Is anyone using the development snapshot of mythtv? Are there any major stability problems?
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[22:48:00] jams: xpis yes and no
[22:50:00] xpis: I couldn't get the release to compile, so I used precompiled rpms from atrpms. However, I'm getting all sorts of crashes and bad v4l2 api accesses that I'm having a terrible time debugging.
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[22:51:00] xpis: What do you mean by 'yes and no'? Are there showstopper problems?
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[22:51:00] jams: 1) yes I am 2) no major problems
[22:52:00] kormoc: xpis, Yes and no for myself as well
[22:52:00] xpis: ok, I'm going to upgrade to it then. I hate not being able to use gdb.
[22:52:00] znoG: i compiled svn a few days ago and its working OK
[22:52:00] xpis: Does it support vorbis for recordings yet?
[22:54:00] LedHed: anyone here using xvmc?
[22:54:00] timolol: QUESTION : how can i change mplayer settings in mythfrontend to use mplayer with vo=gl in place of vo=xv ?
[22:54:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, I do
[22:54:00] timolol: (for playing recorded files)
[22:55:00] LedHed: kormoc: you have any video issues when the OSD is displayed?
[22:55:00] kormoc: timolol, under the player settings, just tack on -vo=gl
[22:55:00] kormoc: LedHed, other then it going greyscale, nope
[22:55:00] LedHed: kormoc: what videocard?
[22:55:00] kormoc: FX 5200 and FX 5800
[22:55:00] LedHed: humm.
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[22:56:00] LedHed: I get bad screen tearing when the OSD is on screen. What driver version for the nvidia cards?
[22:56:00] kormoc: 7676
[22:56:00] LedHed: same here..
[22:56:00] LedHed: strange
[22:57:00] kormoc: If it tears, I havn't noticed it at least
[22:57:00] timolol: (kormoc) : "player settings" is for video plugin, not the "play recorded"
[22:57:00] kormoc: timolol, play recorded doesn't use mplayer to play it
[22:57:00] timolol: kormoc: noooooo :( it's what I was afraid of ;p
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[22:58:00] LedHed: kormoc: you deinterlace?
[22:58:00] kormoc: LedHed, I think so, aye
[22:58:00] LedHed: the only difference then is that my card is a GF440mx.
[22:59:00] LedHed: if I turn off xvmc it goes away
[22:59:00] kormoc: odd
[22:59:00] kormoc: bug me later tonight and I'll see if it's just myself not noticing
[22:59:00] LedHed: ohh, trust me you'd notice. Its real bad. Laggy video too
[22:59:00] xris: Chacabaou: that does indeed seem like a bug
[23:00:00] LedHed: only when ODS is up. otherwise it plays smooth
[23:00:00] Chacabaou: xris: I'm surprised that I'm the only one who noticed that error message in mythweb. ;)
[23:00:00] jasta: hey kormoc.
[23:00:00] xris: yeah. I was even running with the error reporting turned up for awhile.
[23:01:00] Chacabaou: xris: What about my second question?
[23:01:00] xris: anyway, I'm not really sure which file it SHOULD go into... probably conf.php, though I really just want to get rid of that.
[23:01:00] kormoc: jasta, hihi
[23:01:00] xris: ask again, missed it in the scrollback
[23:01:00] timolol: kormoc: nvidia gforce II mx, tv ou, gl extension, export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 in .bash_profile and KnoppMyth-run (knoppyth distrib)... mplayer with vo=gl is perfec... I enabled vsync on opengl in main settings of mythfrontend and there is no change... always problems in frame sync on watching recorded stuff... an idea other than ln recorded dir and video plugin dir ? :)
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[23:02:00] kormoc: timolol, is a lot of cpu being used when viewing the recorded tv in myth?
[23:02:00] Chacabaou: xris: And could you tell me if the 'hostname' constant is intended to reflect the machine's hostname or the backend's name? (that info should be added in the comment, imho)
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[23:03:00] Juski: frontend hostname
[23:03:00] Juski: oops.. in mythweb.. backend's hostname
[23:03:00] Chacabaou: xris: The answer to that should help you to chose between conf.php and init.php. ;)
[23:03:00] xris: Chacabaou: backend's IP is stored in the database
[23:03:00] xris: comment in conf.php says "this" machine.
[23:03:00] Chacabaou: xris: So it's the backend's "virtual" name?
[23:04:00] Chacabaou: Oh...
[23:04:00] xris: the only reason you'd want to override the setting is if `hostname` returns something like "localhost"
[23:04:00] Chacabaou: Well, I didn't thought of a backend!=mythweb situation. (quite unrealistisc, though)
[23:04:00] timolol: kormoc: no : Cpu(s): 19.3% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 79.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si
[23:04:00] timolol: M
[23:04:00] xris: Chacabaou: large number of people run mythweb on a separate box
[23:05:00] Chacabaou: xris: Yeah? I got apache, mysql and mythbackend on one box, which "feels" good together. ;)
[23:05:00] znoG: what do you guys use to convert a .nuv file to .avi?
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[23:06:00] kormoc: znoG, nuvexport
[23:06:00] xris: Chacabaou: many people already have a dedicated web/db server
[23:06:00] Chacabaou: xris: Nevertheless, would you change the comment to something like "hostname of this machine (where mythweb runs)"?
[23:06:00] xris: Chacabaou: I'd like to just get rid of the one in conf.php
[23:07:00] Chacabaou: xris: Well...good, too. ;)
[23:07:00] xris: but dunno if people will freak out much
[23:07:00] Chacabaou: Why?
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[23:07:00] xpis: Is there a way to change the aspect ratio of recordings from 480x480 to standard 4:3?
[23:07:00] xris: because if a machine incorrectly identifies itself as "localhost" and their backend is on a different box, it'll screw stuff up
[23:07:00] timolol: kormoc: there are 4 error potentially boring message when using verbose on playback :
[23:07:00] timolol: Realtime priority would require SUID as root.
[23:07:00] timolol: nVidiaVideoSync: VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this driver?
[23:07:00] timolol:
[23:07:00] timolol: OpenGLVideoSync: GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info GLX_EXT_visual_rating GLX_SGIX_fbconfig GLX_SGIX_pbuffer GLX_SGI_video_sync GLX_SGI_swap_control GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
[23:08:00] xris: xpis: aspect ratio has nothing to do with resolution
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[23:08:00] xris: 480x480 *is* 4:3
[23:08:00] kormoc: timolol, as for this one "<timolol> DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, Aucun périphérique ou adresse" You shouldn't use DRI with nvidia cards
[23:08:00] xris: or 16:9
[23:08:00] kormoc: xris, 480x480 is 1:1 actually...
[23:08:00] Chacabaou: xris: This would only happen if someone really named his box "localhost". How dumb is that? ;)
[23:09:00] xris: kormoc: depends on what aspect ratio it's set with
[23:09:00] xris: svcd is 480x480, but can be 4:3 or 16:9
[23:09:00] kormoc: hrm
[23:09:00] xris: avi files are all 1:1
[23:09:00] Chacabaou: xris: Just leave it in init.php and tell the user to fuckin' change his hostname if it's ==localhost. ;)
[23:09:00] kormoc: how does it manage that?
[23:09:00] xris: mpeg has the aspect encoded into the file.. not square pixels.
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[23:10:00] timolol: kormoc: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, section Modules : # Load "dri" :) -> so the drm is not loaded...
[23:10:00] xris: Chacabaou: "localhost" is default for some installs... but I agree.
[23:10:00] xris: and will probably pull it from conf.php mainly because I want to get rid of conf.php itself.
[23:10:00] kormoc: timolol, could you put your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.log into www.pastebin.ca ?
[23:10:00] Chacabaou: xris: On the other hand... does mythweb need to be so OS-dependant?
[23:10:00] Pitchin_uk: how do i setup the web console for myth
[23:10:00] xpis: xris: hm.. so is there any way to encode in full VGA resolution?
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[23:11:00] xris: xpis: sure. just turn up the res for the recording profile
[23:11:00] timolol: kormoc: i use xfree, not xorg... still wants the paste .
[23:11:00] xris: max analog of 720x480 (ntsc) or 720x576 (pal)
[23:11:00] kormoc: timolol, yes
[23:11:00] angryelf: hey all, what program does myth use to playback recordings?
[23:11:00] Chacabaou: xris: I don't exactly know, on which exotic plattforms (by means of operating systems) PHP would run, but they certainly don't all have /bin/hostname, do they?
[23:11:00] xpis: I couldn't find a way to do that in the release version.. is there a way in the development version?
[23:12:00] kormoc: angryelf, it's own internal player
[23:12:00] xris: Chacabaou: no.. if the user does NOT put in a hostname when they install the OS, it defaults to localhost.localdomain
[23:12:00] Chacabaou: Ok...
[23:12:00] Chacabaou: xris: But that wasn't my point. ;)
[23:12:00] xris: xpis: huh? myth has had resolution in the recording profiles since before I started using it (.13)
[23:13:00] EricL: Can someone point me to the howto on setting up MythTV with multiple TV cards?
[23:13:00] angryelf: k, recently i've been getting serious lag when trying to FF or RWD, it gets very pixilated and takes a while to move start playinga gain
[23:13:00] xris: Chacabaou: true, missed that
[23:13:00] angryelf: but the files playback fine and FF and RWD fine when i use mplayer to play them outside of myth
[23:13:00] xris: dunno what to do there..
[23:13:00] kormoc: EricL, follow the normal howto only continue adding tv cards after you add the second one...
[23:13:00] Chacabaou: xris: What does mythweb need this value for, anyways? It should be all in the webserver's environment.
[23:13:00] xpis: xirs: hm.. the interface was playing games with me. Buttons would come and go. I must have missed the option.
[23:14:00] EricL: kormoc: Alright.
[23:14:00] xris: Chacabaou: it's certainly not in the server environment....
[23:14:00] angryelf: i was wondering if anybody had that problem before, and knew a way to fix it
[23:14:00] kormoc: angryelf, is mythfrontend using up all your cpu?
[23:14:00] xris: the backend needs host/ip info for knowing where to send data
[23:15:00] timolol: kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/37015 (i had never used pastebin but it's nice :)
[23:15:00] xris: xpis: setup -> tv -> recording profiles (or something like that-- I don't use the frontend much anymore)
[23:15:00] angryelf: not sure, to check should i start a recording and then run top to see?
[23:15:00] Chacabaou: xris: Hum...can't it just answer back to the source IP?
[23:15:00] EricL: kormoc: It doesn't talk about what devices need to be created in order to use the 2nd TV card.
[23:15:00] EricL: That's why I am looking for a HOWTO.
[23:15:00] xris: Chacabaou: machines can have multiple IP's
[23:15:00] xris: my webserver reports itself as "forevermore.net" internally, but its hostname is "indra"
[23:16:00] Chacabaou: xris: "internally" to the webserver?
[23:16:00] Chacabaou: ...or to the LAN?
[23:16:00] xris: and to other machines on my internal network
[23:16:00] kormoc: EricL, the tv card's driver creates the devices, not myth
[23:16:00] angryelf: kormoc, according to top it's only using 12% of the cpu
[23:16:00] xris: webserver reports the role name, server knows itself as a specific name
[23:17:00] angryelf: kormoc, when i FF it jumps to ~25%
[23:17:00] kormoc: timolol, that's really odd, as it shouldn't be probing the dri card0 unless dri is loeaded, and it's not reporting that it loads.
[23:17:00] xris: SERVER_ADDR is unreliable at times, too, since it could report the external IP when mythbackend needs the internal IP
[23:17:00] kormoc: angryelf, odd
[23:17:00] xris: dunno why the windows users haven't complained about the hostname call
[23:17:00] angryelf: kormoc is that low?
[23:17:00] EricL: kormoc: I had to create the devices on my own for the PVR-250 that is currently working right now. But since I don't know what kind of card the new one is (all I know is that bt878 compat), I don't know what devices to create.
[23:18:00] kormoc: EricL, what distro are you using?
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[23:18:00] Chacabaou: xris: But mythbackend would definitely see the internal IP as the source of the requests, wouldn't it?
[23:18:00] EricL: kormoc:
[23:18:00] EricL: kormoc: Debian, but I built Myth from source.
[23:19:00] xris: Chacabaou: backend is told where to send data, doesn't necessarily send to the originating server
[23:19:00] EricL: kormoc: And I built the ivtv drivers from source.
[23:19:00] xris: A can say "send data to B"
[23:19:00] timolol: kormoc: i agree. i check if i didn't put an option somhere which would be dependant...
[23:19:00] Beirdo: I fucking hate the NFL
[23:19:00] Pitchin_uk: how do i get the web console in myth to work
[23:19:00] xris: or maybe I'm not remembering that right....
[23:19:00] xris: Pitchin_uk: huh?
[23:19:00] kormoc: EricL, that shouldn't matter, as long as you have devfs or udev, ivtv and bttv will create the devices for you
[23:20:00] Beirdo: the fucking NFL caused 24's *PREMIERE* to be pushed by 5 minutes, and the networks, of course, didn't update the schedules as they didn't know it would happen
[23:20:00] stuarta: beirdo: itv (uk) coverage is worse than the game itself
[23:20:00] Pitchin_uk: xris: it hought i read you could have a web interface for myth
[23:20:00] Chacabaou: xris: Do you _need_ to tell this mythbackend, or would it try to contact the source IP otherwise? I can't imagine a probable situation where the latter would fail.
[23:20:00] angryelf: Beirdo tonight?!
[23:20:00] xris: yes.. mythweb.
[23:20:00] EricL: kormoc: devfs didn't create anything and I am not running udev.
[23:20:00] xris: but there's also a web status page built into the backend.
[23:20:00] Juski: new series of 24?!?!?!?!
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[23:20:00] kormoc: EricL, then there is something wrong with your install. what kernel version are you using?
[23:20:00] Beirdo: yeah, it was today, I think it's episodes 3 & 4 back to back
[23:21:00] Beirdo: both pushed by 5 min
[23:21:00] Pitchin_uk: xris: if there any thing i need to configure
[23:21:00] xris: Chacabaou: for the moment, you need to tell the backend which IP to connect to... protocol requires it, even if you want it to talk right back to you.
[23:21:00] Beirdo: or was it yesterday?
[23:21:00] Beirdo: whatever
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[23:21:00] angryelf: it was yesterday
[23:21:00] xris: Pitchin_uk: it's php. download the tarball and instlal
[23:21:00] angryelf: it was bumped like 10 minutes
[23:21:00] LedHed: ok, I've done some searching on the xvmc OSD stutter and others are having the same issue. But no solutions. says it has something to do witht he xvmc buffers..
[23:21:00] EricL: kormoc: 2.6.12, I am using hotplug instead of udev. Debian etch (Testing).
[23:21:00] angryelf: so you missed the end? :(
[23:21:00] xris: Chacabaou: there MUST be some OS-independent way to get the hostname
[23:21:00] Chacabaou: xris: Well that's sad...
[23:22:00] kormoc: EricL, hotplug works with udev to create device entries
[23:22:00] Juski: erm... using XVMC on my EPIA box I never seem to get OSD flicker
[23:22:00] Beirdo: I know as I'm watching the show that was on AFTER 24
[23:22:00] EricL: kormoc: According to apt, they are mutually exclusive.
[23:22:00] Beirdo: and the first 5–10 min were 24
[23:22:00] Beirdo: fuckers
[23:22:00] LedHed: anyone know what this setting does for the nvidia drivers? --xvmc-uses-textures
[23:22:00] angryelf: that sucks
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[23:22:00] timolol: kormoc: the gl vsync and the hard XvMC optons in the video play config didn't change anything :(
[23:22:00] Chacabaou: xris: But the protocol could be changed in that manner? Or has it any other sense?
[23:22:00] xris: Chacabaou: I'll leave it in init.php, but add override stuff in the .htaccess file
[23:23:00] xris: Chacabaou: beats me there... I just do what the other devs tell me to put in there to make it work.
[23:23:00] kormoc: EricL, I would recommend you install udev, and convert to it, as it is much nicer then devfs
[23:23:00] xris: I know that there is some desire to upgrade the protocol to be smarter and more robust, though.
[23:24:00] kormoc: timolol, I wonder if maybe your card is too old. what card was it?
[23:24:00] EricL: kormoc: Alright, but that still doesn't help me with which devices need to be created for the second TV card to function.
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[23:24:00] Chacabaou: xris: Well, this wouldn't be a great impact on the protocol. If there are no reasons NOT to change it, why don't you just suggest it?
[23:24:00] kormoc: EricL, udev will create them on ivtv/bttv module load
[23:24:00] timolol: kormoc: yes, it is old, lspci : nVidia Corporation NV11DDR [GeForce2 MX 100 DDR/200 DDR] (rev b2)
[23:24:00] Chacabaou: xris: Still soon enough to get it into .19? ;)
[23:25:00] kormoc: EricL, that's the entire point of udev/devfs was to stop the manual creation of devices
[23:25:00] kormoc: timolol, what nvidia driver version?
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[23:25:00] angryelf: kormoc, any ideas on the stuttering FF/RWD? Can I test the player outside of myth??
[23:25:00] kormoc: angryelf, not really, no
[23:26:00] Chacabaou: kormoc: mythtv <file>?
[23:26:00] EricL: kormoc: That's what I thought. Alright, it looks like I ahve a temporary problem with Debian since udev and hotplug shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
[23:26:00] timolol: kormoc: packaged by last knoppmyth : "NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 1.0–7174"
[23:26:00] EricL: I'll have to figure that one outon my own since its not a myth problem. Thanks.
[23:26:00] LedHed: where can I find info on the next release of Mythtv (0.19)
[23:26:00] kormoc: Chacabaou, my understanding is mythtv just loads the live tv and runs that, but it still does allt he backend communication
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[23:27:00] kormoc: timolol, might want to downgrade to a 6xxx driver, they tend to support older cards better
[23:27:00] timolol: kormoc: i have the choice between 1.0–6629 and 1.0–7174
[23:27:00] Juski: angryelf: what do you mean by 'stutterring' ? not fast forwarding/rewinding – time indicator jumping around? either the recordedmarkup table needs fixed, or you have a time/timezone problem on the frontend
[23:27:00] timolol: kormoc: ok i try
[23:27:00] kormoc: EricL, svn.mythtv.org
[23:27:00] Chacabaou: kormoc: Dunno...just heard that recently. ;)
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[23:27:00] xris: Chacabaou: plenty of time
[23:28:00] Chacabaou: ;-)
[23:28:00] kormoc: EricL, oops, that svn.mythtv.org was to LedHed
[23:28:00] LedHed: got it
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[23:28:00] Chacabaou: How would mythfrontend react if I enabled XvMC which doesn't work as expected? Failure or fallback?
[23:29:00] Chacabaou: (to Xv?)
[23:29:00] angryelf: Juski, FF/RWD lags real bad, it gets pixilated and takes much longer than it should.....for a 10min jump it can take 10–15 seconds, for a short jump it takes less time, but still not 'normal'
[23:29:00] angryelf: Juski it happens on all my recordings.....not sure what the rrecorded markup table is, where would i check the time/timezone settings?
[23:30:00] timolol: kormoc: shit, the script has replaced my XF86Config-4 ! :(
[23:30:00] kormoc: timolol, it should have backed it up
[23:30:00] Juski: angryelf: sounds like a problem I described just now.. is the frontend on the same machine as the backend? if not, the time needs to be syncd between them... if yes, mythtv isn't marking its recordings' seek points... maybe
[23:31:00] timolol: kormoc: i know, i have been trapped :)
[23:31:00] xris: Chacabaou: fyi, even windows has "hostname" (just need to not include the /bin/ part)
[23:31:00] Chacabaou: xris: "Good" to know. ;)
[23:31:00] angryelf: Juski, yes it is, but i have had remote frontends in the past
[23:32:00] angryelf: how do i check to the recordings' seek point??
[23:32:00] Cardoe: who pinged me?
[23:32:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I ponged you earlier
[23:32:00] xris: Chacabaou: fix is in svn now
[23:32:00] Chacabaou: xris: Thanks.
[23:32:00] Cardoe: kormoc: sup?
[23:33:00] kormoc: Cardoe, not too much, yourself?
[23:33:00] Chacabaou: xris: BTW...is it normal that
[23:33:00] Chacabaou: Oops.
[23:34:00] Chacabaou: xris: BTW...is it normal that 'Recorded Programs' loads very, very slow with preview pixmaps enabled?
[23:34:00] timolol: kormoc: i rebuild the xfree conf and i come back :)
[23:34:00] Juski: angryelf: you might want to do a repair on the recordedmarkup table... possible with a command I can't remember right now.. or by commflagging all your recordings
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[23:34:00] xris: Chacabaou: the first load, yes
[23:34:00] angryelf: juski, i have them all to automatically comm flag
[23:35:00] angryelf: although i never enable it
[23:35:00] Chacabaou: xris: Nope, every.
[23:35:00] xris: if you have a lot of them... has to pull them from the backend, which has to generate them
[23:35:00] angryelf: it happens with liveTV also
[23:35:00] xris: Chacabaou: no, it's usually pretty fast for me
[23:35:00] Juski: angryelf: eew.. no idea then
[23:35:00] xris: not that I keep THAT many programs around.
[23:35:00] xris: are you running .18 or svn?
[23:35:00] Chacabaou: xris: Wait...I'll check it again (turned that feature of, some time ago).
[23:36:00] angryelf: actually, it doesn't happen with liveTV
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[23:36:00] Juski: damn.. reduce the size of my theme by making the watermarks JPG, now it takes forever to scale it... cant win!
[23:37:00] adrock_: so i turned on bob deinterlace- and now the image quality is a lot better- but the on screen display guide "buzzes" now... is there something i can do about that?
[23:38:00] kormoc: Juski, look at it this way, how often do you download it, and how often is it scaled?
[23:38:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: You could try XvMC (if available).
[23:38:00] adrock_: is that video out supplied by my encoder card?
[23:39:00] Juski: kormoc: point taken.. gonna leave images as PNG
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[23:40:00] xris: kormoc: that'd be "once" and "once", no?
[23:40:00] kormoc: heh, I've scaled themes more then once
[23:40:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[23:40:00] kormoc: usually by mistake tho
[23:41:00] Juski: seriously.. making the watermarks jpg takes aaaaaaaaaaaages to scale em
[23:41:00] Chacabaou: xris: Looks like the backend still opens several recordings, although every recording has it's preview generated.
[23:41:00] rinkle: "WinTV PCI-FM" Rev.B121 (Model 718)
[23:41:00] Juski: it's murder when you're setting your screen size up in the 'appearance' menu
[23:41:00] rinkle: is this card supported? nothing on the mlist :S
[23:42:00] timolol: kormoc: job's done. no change :(
[23:42:00] kormoc: timolol, icky :/
[23:42:00] Juski: and this is like a 2Ghz machine. I'll just have to live with the fact it'll never be included in the themes tarball
[23:42:00] Cardoe: kormoc: not much
[23:42:00] Chacabaou: xris: Actually, every file is opened and scanned. Why?
[23:42:00] Cardoe: installing XP in a VMWare
[23:43:00] kormoc: Juski, how large is it?
[23:43:00] timolol: kormoc: i think i have forgetted someting in my XF86Config-4 because mythfrontend doesn't tell anymore : OpenGLVideoSync: GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info GLX_EXT_visual_rating GLX_SGIX_fbconfig GLX_SGIX_pbuffer GLX_SGI_video_sync GLX_SGI_swap_control GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
[23:43:00] Juski: kormoc: 8MB
[23:43:00] kormoc: timolol, glxinfo in a terminal and pastebin the output
[23:43:00] Juski: bigger than the other themes put together...
[23:43:00] kormoc: Juski, ahh, what theme is this?
[23:43:00] xris: Chacabaou: the mod date on the file should be checked... dunno why it'd be opening the file
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[23:44:00] Juski: kormoc.. project grayhem & the -wide version
[23:44:00] timolol: kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/37017 updated.
[23:45:00] Chacabaou: xris: Even if I view one(!) recording and reload...I get those AFD:... messages, opening the file.
[23:45:00] Juski: I dunno.. I know png is compressed already but can the compression be changed?
[23:45:00] adrock_: i can't run xvmc, i'm on an ati card
[23:45:00] adrock_: is there anything else i can do to keep the on screen display from buzzing with bob deinterlace on
[23:45:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: Bad luck.
[23:45:00] adrock_: like disable the alpha blending or something
[23:45:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: You could try chromakey-osd, but AFAIK it's only working with XvMC. ;)
[23:46:00] xris: Chacabaou: svn or .18?
[23:46:00] stuarta: kernel deinterlace?
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[23:46:00] kormoc: timolol, GLX_SGI_video_sync is under GLX extensions, so your card does support it, tis odd that it's not working
[23:46:00] Chacabaou: xris: SVN, bleeding.
[23:46:00] adrock_: hmm lemme try
[23:46:00] kormoc: Juski, sure can, but it might look crappier
[23:46:00] xris: odd... was something like that a long time ago, but thought it was fixed.
[23:47:00] xris: mythweb requests the last-modification date from the recording, and if different, requests a new thumbnail
[23:47:00] Juski: hmmm seems I'm gonna have to bring out da GIMP then
[23:47:00] xris: or rather, if newer than the current thumbnail
[23:48:00] Chacabaou: xris: The thumbnail is much newer, for sure.
[23:48:00] xris: that's really weird
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[23:48:00] timolol: kormoc: yep :( but thi thread let's me thinking that i am not at the end of the problem : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv
[23:48:00] adrock_: kernel deinterlace definitely fixes the osd
[23:48:00] Chacabaou: xris: Indeed.
[23:49:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: Yeah...the buzzing OSD is a known effect of Bob.
[23:49:00] adrock_: cool
[23:49:00] adrock_: how do i know that kernel deinterlace is actually working
[23:49:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: It disappears with XvMC and chromakey-osd. ;)
[23:50:00] adrock_: hmm
[23:50:00] kormoc: timolol, odd
[23:50:00] adrock_: where can i get chromakey-osd?
[23:50:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: Normally, it does. Try it out.
[23:50:00] Chacabaou: adrock_: It wouldn't work without XvMC, AFAIK.
[23:50:00] adrock_: it doesn't look as god as bob
[23:50:00] adrock_: good
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[23:50:00] timolol: kormoc: lol :) in any case thanks you to have interested in my problem and tryed to solve it with me.
[23:51:00] kormoc: timolol, yeah, sorry I couldn't help more
[23:51:00] adrock_: is bob generally regarded as the most effective deinterlace algorithm?
[23:54:00] xris: adrock_: I hate bob.. kernel_deint works best for me
[23:54:00] xris: bob is all jumpy for me
[23:54:00] timolol: kormoc: bad luck :)
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[23:56:00] adrock_: ok coo.l
[23:56:00] adrock_: l
[23:57:00] adrock_: another question regarding quality
[23:57:00] adrock_: is there a way i can set settings like saturation
[23:57:00] adrock_: that will stick across the board
[23:57:00] adrock_: as opposed to changing values for all channels
[23:57:00] xris: adrock_: press G while watching livetv
[23:57:00] adrock_: will they stick for recording as well
[23:57:00] adrock_: ?
[23:57:00] xris: I think so
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[23:59:00] adrock_: sweet
[23:59:00] adrock_: are there any other filters i should try?
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