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Monday, January 9th, 2006, 00:01 UTC
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[00:11:00] kyu_flux: ok here's a summary of what i've found regarding missing the "transcoder" profile group
[00:11:00] kyu_flux: select * from profilegroups = 0 rows
[00:12:00] kyu_flux: select * from recordingprofiles = 4 rows – default, livetv, high quality, low quality
[00:12:00] intgr: "You must not use ReiserFS v3 for your recordings. You will get corrupted recordings if you do." "Filesystems known to have problems with large files are FAT (all versions), and ReiserFS (versions 3 and 4)."
[00:12:00] kyu_flux: apparently i'm missing some codecs – any way I can reinstall them and then update mythconverg?
[00:12:00] intgr: Are these claims just made by a reiserfs-hater, or are they real?
[00:12:00] corpix64: hmm, systemstatus makes mythtv to bug
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[00:17:00] GreyFoxx: intgr: I don't know about the corruption stuff but reiser is not as fast with handling large files such as your recordings as others are
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[00:17:00] redline-: can anyone tell me how to start my rip after i got all the settings figured out?
[00:18:00] amuk: Quick question: I'm compiling kernel 2.6.15. Which is the best Preemption Model for a box dedicated to MythTV? It is running front and backend. I watch mainly HDTV.
[00:19:00] redline-: trying to rip a dvd got all the setting in dvd rip that i want i just down know hot get it started
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[00:21:00] intgr: GreyFoxx: Do you know about any considerable benchmarks?
[00:21:00] GreyFoxx: I've seen several but don't have links to any
[00:22:00] intgr: Ah, ok.
[00:22:00] GreyFoxx: and of course the personal experience and testomony of many users who have tried both including myself
[00:22:00] intgr: In terms of CPU overhead or I/O speed?
[00:22:00] GreyFoxx: I/O speed
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[00:22:00] GreyFoxx: reiser kicks ass if you are dealing with small files
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: but with large multi gigabyte files it's not as snappy as say XFS
[00:23:00] intgr: Right.
[00:23:00] redline-: i use xfs and it smokes larg files
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[00:23:00] Kabutor: same here xfs..
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: and with myth you will be talking large files
[00:23:00] intgr: Obviously
[00:23:00] GreyFoxx: and even more so with HDTV recordingds
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[00:27:00] confusi0n: hi there
[00:27:00] confusi0n: if anyone could hlep me with htis i'd be greatly appreciated, its driving me nuts
[00:27:00] confusi0n: any idea why svn mythtv would give me the following
[00:27:00] confusi0n: error, despite both the channels (in mythtv-setup) and
[00:27:00] confusi0n: the default channel are valid in the database?
[00:27:00] confusi0n: 2006-01–09 00:35:45.757 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '1' was not found in the database.
[00:27:00] confusi0n: Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.
[00:27:00] confusi0n: Could not start livetv.
[00:28:00] confusi0n: im using a dbox2 as the input, and channel changing etc is working fine
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[00:31:00] paulc37: Are others having sql problems with recent debian upgrade? Not sure if it's me or the upgrade
[00:31:00] paulc37: ?
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[00:33:00] paulc37: anyone else with sql errors?
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[00:34:00] crouton: holy god, what is wrong with lirc
[00:35:00] paulc37: I got it working with the cvs version, I believe it was ...local install
[00:35:00] paulc37: not debian packages
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[00:37:00] confusi0n: :(
[00:38:00] Arron: anyone know the package list for debian packages required for compile? like mysql, with qt? what package, qt-devel what package etc?
[00:38:00] Kabutor: no swl errors here, svn version.. try to check the database
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[00:40:00] Goose-Npa: hello
[00:40:00] Kabutor: where did I set the xmltvid ?
[00:40:00] Arron: hi
[00:40:00] eidolon: hi folks, fighting some disk space issues (quasi-unrelated), i note that /cache is full on my myth box. the ringbuf1.nuv file is the only file of substance there. can i nuke it? (i'm not interested in anything that's might be stored in it), or is it -always- full size?
[00:40:00] Goose-Npa: how do i get mythtv to play .avi or whatever, i have xine settings in but they dont seem to work
[00:40:00] Kabutor: Goose-Npa, with mythvideo plugin and mplayer?
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[00:41:00] Goose-Npa: like under the player settings i have default player
[00:41:00] Goose-Npa: xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd://$s
[00:41:00] Arron: Goose-Npa – http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . ght=avi#8388
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[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: Good: You don't use dvd:// for playing avi's That's for playing DVD's :)
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: and it's %s not $s
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[00:45:00] Goose-Npa: hmm
[00:45:00] Goose-Npa: ahh yea dvd://%s lets it plays .img and .iso
[00:50:00] confusi0n: how do i change a value in the mythconverg settings database?
[00:50:00] confusi0n: i need to manually change DefaultTVChannel
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[00:50:00] paulc37: Is anyone else having problems with mythdatabasefill?????
[00:50:00] paulc37: sry....mythfilldatabase....
[00:51:00] paulc37: I'm getting MYSQL errors...can anyone else confirm that their mythfill is or isn't working??
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: lemme guess, Myth 0.18(.1) and MySQL 5 ?
[00:52:00] paulc37: whatever runs on Debian unstable..yes for MythTV, not sure about MySQL
[00:52:00] paulc37: was that version of MySQL a recent upgrade
[00:52:00] paulc37: ?
[00:52:00] GreyFoxx: Odds are that is your problem
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: mysql -V
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: that should tell you the version you are running
[00:53:00] paulc37: --> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.18, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[00:53:00] tweak_st: yeah i think somebody else had probs when upgrading mysql
[00:53:00] a1fa|64: 2006-01–08 18:30:01.364 Invalid file handle when opening /home/mythtv/data//1016_20060108183000.mpg. 3 retries remaining.
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: some of the table names became reserved works in MySQL 5
[00:53:00] a1fa|64: ?
[00:54:00] paulc37: damn...I don't think I'm about to downgrade my mysql server
[00:54:00] paulc37: is there any other fix?
[00:54:00] GreyFoxx: then you could update myth to svn 0.18-fixes or latest svn
[00:55:00] paulc37: I guess that's what I'll do....thx
[00:55:00] paulc37: this problem just showed up in Debian unstable...I would think that a lot of people are going to have it
[00:56:00] GreyFoxx: likely
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[00:56:00] jcsmith: hi all, hows the video quality on everyone's live tv?
[00:57:00] paulc37: it's good here
[00:57:00] GreyFoxx: better than directly off my tv
[00:58:00] a1fa|64: hehehe
[00:58:00] a1fa|64: HighQuality
[00:58:00] a1fa|64: lol
[00:59:00] paulc37: Grey: WHat version do you recommend?
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: I only use svn
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: updated every couple days
[01:00:00] tweak_st: yeah i could only get svn to work for me =\
[01:01:00] jcsmith: i'm having some difficulity where things are a little fuzzy, especially if there is a lot of live action on the screen or horizontal scrolling text it gets very fuzzy, yesterday Juski suggested turning on deinterlacing which i did and it helped tremendiously but the quality still isn't great
[01:01:00] a1fa|64: it is crazy that LiveTV is being recorded
[01:01:00] a1fa|64: automatically
[01:01:00] GreyFoxx: can't please everyone
[01:02:00] a1fa|64: there should be an option to disable it
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: i personally like it, but i stiill need time to adjust it
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: why?
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: It will delete on it's own
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: cool
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: thanks man
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: my expiry date is set to 1 day
[01:04:00] GreyFoxx: It will also be delted when space is required for a new recording
[01:04:00] GreyFoxx: LiveTV recordings are always at the top of the to be expired list
[01:04:00] jcsmith: any suggestions?
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: wow
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: 1.0 GB for simpsons show
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: that is crazy
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: 1h – 1 gb
[01:05:00] GreyFoxx: that's pretty small for an hour
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: i need to put that into .avi
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: /dev/hda9 67812952 43097420 21270796 67% /home
[01:05:00] a1fa|64: wow
[01:05:00] GreyFoxx: I average 2 – 2.4G per hour
[01:06:00] a1fa|64: why so much?
[01:06:00] GreyFoxx: Because of my bitrate settings
[01:06:00] GreyFoxx: I would find something smallenough to stick to 1G per hour to be unwatchable
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[01:06:00] GreyFoxx: At least when recording from analog cable
[01:07:00] paulc37: My LiveTV settings are the highest quality
[01:07:00] paulc37: for recording have progressively lower quality settings
[01:07:00] paulc37: suggest you try that alf
[01:07:00] a1fa|64: ok
[01:08:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx: whats your url
[01:08:00] a1fa|64: phaze.org?
[01:08:00] paulc37: quality no problem here...
[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: that's my domain yes, what specifically are you looking for
[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[01:08:00] paulc37: I have many more problems with the cable itself than I do with mythtv
[01:09:00] jcsmith: paulc37: I have no problems when hooked up strait to my television, but the second i add myth into the mix stuff gets very fuzzy
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[01:09:00] a1fa|64: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/rc.ivtv
[01:10:00] a1fa|64: this
[01:10:00] a1fa|64: do you actually run this?
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[01:11:00] a1fa|64: how about mythtv
[01:11:00] GreyFoxx: Except I stopped using the dnr stuff
[01:11:00] a1fa|64: doesnt mythtv also adjust these settings
[01:11:00] a1fa|64: ?
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[01:11:00] GreyFoxx: It will if they are different that my recoridng profile
[01:11:00] a1fa|64: ok, so i need to set the recording profile
[01:11:00] kcody: hi all
[01:12:00] amuk: When copling a kernel for a dedicated MythTV box, which preemption model is best? (No Forced Preemption, Voluntary Kernel Preemption, or Preemptible Kernel)
[01:12:00] jemarcks_: longest uptime for a mythtv box?
[01:12:00] amuk: ....darn..."compiling" not "copling"
[01:13:00] amuk: At some time I was up to over 60 days, but that was before going DVB.
[01:13:00] jemarcks_: 28 days 19hrs here... power outages kill me. lol
[01:13:00] GreyFoxx: jemarcks_: months ?
[01:14:00] kcody: GreyFoxx: the crop plugin does remove the vbi data... but 1) blanks many more lines than necessary, 2) robs me of 1" effective diagonal viewing on the monitor
[01:14:00] jemarcks_: greyfoxx, whatever. just asking
[01:14:00] kcody: is there a mroe optimal approach or do i have to write a filter for this
[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: I wasn;t giving attitude, I was answering the question
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: kcody: just increase overscan so that it's off the screen ?
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[01:18:00] kcody: GreyFoxx: also, diagonal banding, even with dnr turned off at the card
[01:18:00] kcody: solved my signal strength problem by disconnecting the set top box's splitter, bleh
[01:19:00] GreyFoxx: I've never seen any diagonal banding. I've seen some horizontal bands but those were a firmware thing that would go away with a reload and have long since been fixed
[01:20:00] Arron: anyone know the package list needed to compile with debian?
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[01:23:00] tweak_st: mythdvd just rips the movie and transcodes it, but not the menu right?
[01:24:00] amuk: Arron, the MythTV docs tell you everything you need.
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[01:24:00] Arron: amuk – qt-devel is not a package for debian, neither lame, and there are several options for it
[01:24:00] tweak_st: or is there a way to get the menu to work as well?
[01:25:00] kcody: GreyFoxx: should probably be explicitly in the docs, "if you're watching mythtv on a monitor, set vertical overscan to +2%. Also, always set horizontal overscan the same as vertical to preserve aspect ratio."
[01:25:00] Arron: for example qt-devel = libqt3-mt-dev package in debian
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[01:25:00] Arron: thats the only one ive found so far on some forums
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[01:27:00] amuk: you can just download the lame source and compile it. also, that libqt3-mt-dev are the qt develompent libs so you want those
[01:28:00] amuk: then try compiling mythtv and if it doesn't you should be able to figure out what you need by the error
[01:28:00] Arron: im not even sure what lame package to start with
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[01:28:00] killfill: hi..
[01:28:00] killfill: hi..is there a liveCD mythtv around?.. so i can test it on my
[01:28:00] killfill: epia PC without messing with the dhcp/nfs of my network?...
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[01:29:00] jasta: killfill: there's knoppmyth, but i dont recall it working well
[01:31:00] amuk: aaron, download lame source at http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/download.html
[01:31:00] Arron: amuk – there is no package for it?
[01:32:00] cesman: IMO, KnoppMyth works VERY well
[01:32:00] cesman: the CD can be used as a live frontend, but you need a working backend
[01:32:00] amuk: there should be, but it should compile very easily.
[01:33:00] killfill: yah, its not a "autonomous liveCD"..
[01:33:00] Arron: amuk – thanks ill give it a try
[01:33:00] killfill: cesman: the backend is where the songs/videos are stored, right?...
[01:34:00] cesman: no, not really
[01:34:00] cesman: the songs/videos can be stored anywhere
[01:34:00] killfill: well right mounted via NFS..
[01:35:00] killfill: whats the backend? dhcpd/tftp ?
[01:36:00] Arron: has anyone compiled on a promt only backend?
[01:36:00] cesman: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall
[01:36:00] cesman: the backend has a tuner card, the db, etc
[01:37:00] cesman: it takes care of recording, etc
[01:37:00] killfill: hm..
[01:38:00] killfill: sorry.. im new to this thing.. so i need a linux mythtv-backend and the liceCD on the client?...
[01:38:00] amuk: Aarron, shouldn't be a problem. do ./configure --help and find out what you want to disable (such as the frontend)
[01:39:00] cesman: Arron: using SVN you can --disable frontend
[01:39:00] cesman: Why do you need to run it live?
[01:41:00] killfill: me? becouse i dont have any linux box avaible.. :-/
[01:41:00] amuk: Arron: currently SVN is working pretty well, but if you are new to MythTV and am not using it for HDTV/DVB, then I suggest starting with 18.1
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[01:44:00] robert_: my video and audio are out of sync... its close.. but a second or so off.. what could be causing this... tv works fine in other applications but not mythtv
[01:45:00] Arron: sorry what is svn? is that the webpage access?
[01:45:00] amuk: robert_: which version of MythTV and are you watching analog or DVB?
[01:45:00] kcody: wait, what other tv applications
[01:45:00] robert_: analog cable tv...
[01:45:00] robert_: tvtime.. xawtv
[01:45:00] robert_: they all work
[01:45:00] killfill: Arron: svn is where the source lives..
[01:46:00] robert_: mythtv is the only one that is out of sync
[01:46:00] amuk: Aaron: SVN is the most updated code (similar to CVS). http://svn.mythtv.org
[01:46:00] kcody: robert_: are you configured for direct line-in pass through audio?
[01:46:00] robert_: it should be..i can run through the setup to double check
[01:46:00] kcody: no, it shouldn't be, that's the problem
[01:46:00] robert_: hmm
[01:47:00] kcody: mythtv wants to actually capture audio and video to an mpeg stream
[01:47:00] robert_: hmm
[01:47:00] robert_: that makes sense
[01:47:00] kcody: you're hearing live analog audio, and mythtv is on a deliberate 1s or so delay
[01:47:00] robert_: sounds about right
[01:47:00] robert_: hmm..let me mess with that real quick
[01:47:00] kcody: so reconfigure to capture your audio, and not pipe it straight to the speakers
[01:48:00] Goose-Npa: how do i unmute my volume, im using alsa
[01:49:00] robert_: where is that all set at?
[01:49:00] kcody: your sound card mixer
[01:50:00] kcody: probably alsamixer
[01:50:00] robert_: piping the sound?
[01:51:00] kcody: by 'piping' i meant Line In is routing to Line Out with what amounts to a straight electrical connection
[01:51:00] robert_: oh
[01:51:00] kcody: so, no delay at all
[01:51:00] robert_: my capture card has a line out which goes directly to my line-in on my sound card
[01:51:00] kcody: which at the moment is then going directly to the line out on the sound card, you want it to not do that
[01:52:00] robert_: hmmm
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[01:52:00] robert_: where do i change that?
[01:52:00] kcody: go into alsamixer and poke around
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[01:53:00] Kamy: good evening all :)
[01:53:00] robert_: would this coincide with the problem of sound still playing after mythtv closes?
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[01:54:00] Kamy: I'm ahving a problem trying to get mplayer-k7 with apt-get
[01:54:00] kcody: i can't tell you what mixer settings to use, because i'm using an optical output – i'd have to screw with it to make it act the way yours does
[01:55:00] robert_: well i know my line in is Line2
[01:55:00] Kamy: Package mplayer-k7 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:55:00] Kamy: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:55:00] Kamy: is only available from another source
[01:55:00] kcody: press 'space' to put it in capture mode
[01:55:00] kcody: sound should have just gone quiet?
[01:56:00] robert_: neg
[01:56:00] kcody: mute it, see if mythtv picks up any sound
[01:56:00] kcody: make sure your 'pcm' isn't muted
[01:56:00] robert_: its not muted
[01:56:00] kcody: might also be called 'wave'
[01:56:00] Kamy: A thread I have been following said to add this to my sources.list deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:57:00] kcody: equivalence test: if you can play an mp3, mythtv can play sound as well
[01:57:00] robert_: hmmph... my volume control doesnt work either
[01:57:00] amuk: Kamy: sounds like a good thing to do
[01:57:00] Kamy: I did, ran apt-get-update
[01:57:00] robert_: using soundblaster audigy2 zs platinum if that helps
[01:57:00] kcody: GreyFoxx: is there any point trying to do synchronous output with bob deinterlace? or will kernel deinterlace to a 70Hz screen look better?
[01:57:00] kcody: i'm using an sb live
[01:57:00] kcody: with the digital dongle
[01:58:00] Kamy: and I get this error...
[01:58:00] Kamy: Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[01:58:00] Kamy: Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/unstable/ main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ' [IP: 62.4.17.14 21]
[01:59:00] Kamy: any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[01:59:00] robert_: the only mixer option that seems to affect sound is Line2
[02:04:00] Kelerion: anyone been following the "Usability Report" thread of the devel mailing list?
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[02:06:00] Kelerion: have just printed out the initial post and ask my wife to read it – but I suspect her response will be the same as mine – there's some good points in there – personally I don't think the unhelpfulness and sarcasm in the responses are warranted. if myth is going to be used by non-technical people then it needs to be usable.
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[02:09:00] paulc37: Hey Grey: Everything appears fine with svn version, at least it fixed the mythfill problem
[02:09:00] paulc37: thx
[02:10:00] paulc37: I hope Debian updates soon, I think there is some transition of the package management
[02:10:00] paulc37: cheers
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[02:31:00] robert_: my alsamixer shows "Capture All" how do i make it just capture Line
[02:31:00] robert_: amixer set line capture doesnt work nor does the space bar in alsamixer
[02:36:00] Kamy: does anyone know where to get mplayer-k7? I added
[02:36:00] Kamy: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:36:00] Kamy: to my sources.list but it keeps returning an error when I apt-get update
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[02:49:00] cesman: Kamy: perhaps you should read the recompiling mplayer on the KnoppMyth forum?
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[03:06:00] crouton: it lives
[03:06:00] crouton: again
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[03:07:00] crouton: Kelerion: mythtv isn't exactly a 'joe user' application, though.
[03:08:00] Kelerion: but to some extent it's expected to be used by "joe user" – our wifes/girlfriends etc
[03:09:00] Kelerion: there's plent of people that use myth that have it as the center of their "families" media
[03:09:00] darkdrgn2k: how do you use WOL?
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[03:10:00] adante: anybody have issues with mythfrontend crashing madly with low bitrate mpeg4 transcodes?
[03:11:00] darkdrgn2k: how do you use WOL?
[03:11:00] adante: my frontend keeps dieing on about maybe 1/10 of various commands while watching tv – seek, change aspect ratio, save recording, exit recording..
[03:11:00] adante: watching recordings, i mean
[03:13:00] darkdrgn2k: how do you use Wake On Lan?
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[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: Dude, are you google impaired or something ?
[03:14:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: well i googled.. and i googled
[03:15:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: and it no wory
[03:15:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: so i wanted to know how WOL actualy works, cause one proggy i foud uses port 9 another 4000...
[03:15:00] darkdrgn2k: Uhh no worky
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: Uhhh, a google for LINUX WOL brings up Several docs
[03:16:00] darkdrgn2k: yes therse amonghts a few
[03:16:00] darkdrgn2k: http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonla . . . howto-3.html
[03:17:00] darkdrgn2k: i was actualy wondering if any onw knew if there is any reason why a magic packet wouldnt wak up a machine
[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: Some machines require some sort of "soft shutdown", but WOL is something I've never bothered with on any of my machines
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[03:19:00] GreyFoxx: a lot of PCI cards require a special cable to connect the NIC to the WOL port on the MB, integrated NIC's obviously don't need that
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: and in some cases I've seen people have to update their firmwared to fix bios bugs that prevented WOL from working
[03:21:00] ** GreyFoxx goes to the store **
[03:21:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: its an onboard sis900 with an oiptions in bios
[03:22:00] darkdrgn2k: i have an ONBOARD sis900 lan with "Power On by LAN" enabled but WOL wont work. any reasons why?
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: Sounds like a question for the sis people.
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: Could be a bios bug
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[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: news bios
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: So ? new software can't have bugs ?:
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: there was some talk about a driver patch for the sis900
[03:23:00] ** GreyFoxx goes to the store **
[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: but i donno how a driver could effect WOL?
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[03:40:00] d3ity: hey all, got a question for you...sorta mythtv related, sorta gatos related
[03:40:00] d3ity: I'm getting an error with apm_drv.so, undefined symbol XvRTPort
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[03:54:00] darkdrgn2k: any one get the IR Blaster to work yet?
[03:54:00] darkdrgn2k: on the PVR to send out?
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[03:59:00] defaultro: hey guys, will I get tons of better performance if I change from LVM XFS to software raid 5?
[04:00:00] sosumi: you have performance issues with LVM XFS?
[04:00:00] defaultro: not really
[04:01:00] defaultro: but am just thinking if i will have faster performance
[04:01:00] defaultro: i notice earlier that when i'm recording, and play a recorded show, sometimes show pauses a little bit
[04:02:00] defaultro: but when I pause the recorded show, then play it again, i don't get pauses anymore
[04:02:00] defaultro: so I'm thinking that my bottleneck is the disk
[04:03:00] Kamy: I finally got my apt-get working and I get this returned when trying to get mplayer-k7
[04:03:00] Kamy: Package mplayer-k7 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:03:00] Kamy: However the following packages replace it:
[04:03:00] Kamy: mplayer-nogui mplayer-k6 mplayer-586 mplayer-386
[04:03:00] Kamy: E: Package mplayer-k7 has no installation candidate
[04:04:00] defaultro: sosumi, did you have anything?
[04:04:00] Kamy: anybody know which package I should go for?
[04:04:00] sosumi: i dont have those pausing issues
[04:04:00] Kamy: this is for a mythstream injstall
[04:04:00] sosumi: amd 1ghz, 512 ram, pvr 250
[04:05:00] sosumi: probably mplayer-nogui and/or mplayer-586
[04:05:00] defaultro: that's why, you're not recording hdtv
[04:05:00] sosumi: ah
[04:05:00] sosumi: :)
[04:05:00] defaultro: it
[04:06:00] defaultro: it's not irritating though but i was hoping that when i migrate to software raid 5, it's going to be a boost.
[04:06:00] d3ity: can anyone help me out with gatos?
[04:06:00] defaultro: But i don't have any info about software raid5 in linux
[04:06:00] sosumi: don't you just use lvm to handle raid devices?
[04:06:00] defaultro: gatos is a pain in the ass
[04:06:00] d3ity: having a bear of a time getting it to work right on this system with X
[04:06:00] d3ity: defaultro, tell me about it, but its the closest thing i've got to working.
[04:06:00] d3ity: short of buying new hardware, i'd like to get it working so i can use my hauppage card
[04:06:00] defaultro: it could be that my card was really that supported
[04:07:00] defaultro: i worked very closely with the driver writer
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[04:07:00] defaultro: he was even wondering too why things happened to me very weird
[04:07:00] d3ity: defaultro, I've edited the xorg.conf file, set all the relavent options and gone through most of the troubleshooting..
[04:07:00] defaultro: he gave up on me after 2 weeks
[04:07:00] defaultro: i don't want to do it again
[04:07:00] d3ity: and whenever i startx, both displays go black and my system hangs
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[04:07:00] d3ity: as far as i can tell
[04:07:00] defaultro: that's one thing i remember
[04:08:00] defaultro: and i had to tweak a lot of things in the kernel
[04:08:00] defaultro: even passing params in boot
[04:08:00] d3ity: defaultro, is there a gatos channel on freenode somewhere?
[04:08:00] defaultro: mailing list there is
[04:08:00] d3ity: eh, mailing list
[04:08:00] d3ity: how wonderfully 1998
[04:09:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: i gave up on gatos
[04:09:00] defaultro: i got it to work however. If you notice, BT829 is not supported, but we got it working
[04:09:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: running my ati ni VESA
[04:09:00] defaultro: but it was not stable
[04:09:00] d3ity: DarkBeer, so....you have TV-out, without all this gatos bullshit?
[04:09:00] d3ity: pardon my language
[04:09:00] d3ity: but...you have working TV-out without this crap?
[04:10:00] a1fa: apt-get install mplayer-nogui
[04:10:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: yeh but also no accelleration what so over :(
[04:10:00] defaultro: trash gatos and buy a supported card for $66
[04:10:00] a1fa: gatos is ok
[04:10:00] darkdrgn2k: gatos is more work then its results!
[04:10:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: you got gatos working?
[04:10:00] a1fa: :P
[04:10:00] d3ity: defaultro, i'm in college, i have no money. I blew my last 50 bucks on a hauppage pvr-150
[04:10:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: HOW?
[04:10:00] defaultro: oh ok
[04:10:00] a1fa: i got gatos working 3 years ago
[04:10:00] defaultro: i got gatos working but it was unstable
[04:10:00] a1fa: on my ati all-in-wonder radeon box
[04:10:00] d3ity: a1fa, wanna try to help me?
[04:10:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: tell me whats the secret..
[04:10:00] a1fa: follow the instructions
[04:11:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: i gots a radeon 7000 VE
[04:11:00] defaultro: if my card had the bt878, gatos would have been fine
[04:11:00] a1fa: ati has some drivers for linux
[04:11:00] d3ity: its crashing right after detecting the embedded rage theater
[04:11:00] defaultro: mine was bt829 which was not supproted :(
[04:11:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: yeh for NEWER cards nt the old shit i have
[04:11:00] a1fa: i am sorry guys :(
[04:11:00] a1fa: not much help. its been years
[04:11:00] d3ity: a1fa, those drivers...are hell
[04:11:00] d3ity: let me just tell you that
[04:11:00] a1fa: dirty
[04:11:00] a1fa: for sure
[04:11:00] d3ity: and TV-out? forget it.
[04:11:00] a1fa: i had tv-out working
[04:11:00] d3ity: i've got fglrx working on this box
[04:12:00] a1fa: as a matter of fact
[04:12:00] darkdrgn2k: if you REALLY want tv out.. use VESA
[04:12:00] a1fa: i didnt even need a driver
[04:12:00] d3ity: and well, tv-out is a pipe dream
[04:12:00] a1fa: tv-out was working
[04:12:00] a1fa: fine
[04:12:00] d3ity: darkdrgn2k, dont see much of a choice
[04:12:00] a1fa: w/o driver
[04:12:00] riddlebox: I am trying to write an app to insert manual recording schedule, can someone help me?
[04:12:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: nor do i :(
[04:12:00] defaultro: anyways, are you guys familiar with Fusion DVICO hdtv PCI card?
[04:12:00] defaultro: which do you recommend gold or lite?
[04:12:00] d3ity: darkdrgn2k, so just swap out my xorg.conf with the vesa one, and it'll "JustWork"(tm)
[04:12:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: your cpu ussage will be high
[04:12:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: yeh...
[04:12:00] d3ity: DarkBeer, its an athlon xp 3200+, not too concerned
[04:13:00] d3ity: will that be able to handle the encoding and not be choppy as hell
[04:13:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: ati tv out kicks in from bios post screen
[04:13:00] ** a1fa is using an old 233mhz POS to irc **
[04:13:00] a1fa: :P
[04:13:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: encoding yes.. decoding... maybe
[04:13:00] a1fa: i am ircing sideways now
[04:13:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: xine KILLED it.. but i was able to watch dvds no problem with mplayer
[04:13:00] darkdrgn2k: xine was just too slow
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[04:13:00] adante: how's the current branch of code in the repository? is it useable?
[04:14:00] Kelerion: I'm using it without any major issues
[04:15:00] a1fa: dude
[04:15:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: make sure your res is NO MORE then 800x500
[04:15:00] a1fa: my LCD is sideways
[04:15:00] a1fa: and its killing my neck
[04:15:00] darkdrgn2k: LMAO
[04:15:00] darkdrgn2k: a1fa: get a mirror
[04:15:00] a1fa: anybody know a 3rd party
[04:15:00] adante: righto.. guess if i want to fix my problems i'm going to have to put down my ebuild crutch and give it a whirl :)
[04:15:00] a1fa: software that can rotate the sceen
[04:15:00] d3ity: darkdrgn2k, got that handled...now, i have to start installing mythtv :)
[04:15:00] adante: thought xrandr was supposed to do it
[04:16:00] a1fa: i got windows 200k on this POS tho
[04:16:00] darkdrgn2k: d3ity: do like me....... install mandriva and o urpmi mythtv
[04:16:00] a1fa: vmware
[04:16:00] darkdrgn2k: WOOT vm ware ROCKS
[04:17:00] opello: heh, just disable nat
[04:18:00] a1fa: anybody know how to rotate your picture in winy2k>
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[04:18:00] opello: paint?
[04:19:00] a1fa: ppp
[04:19:00] darkdrgn2k: i tyhough it had WINDOW SIMAGING in win2k
[04:19:00] darkdrgn2k: imageing
[04:19:00] darkdrgn2k: kodaks krppy pro
[04:19:00] opello: no idea
[04:19:00] a1fa: no dude my lcd is upright
[04:19:00] a1fa: my neck is killin gme
[04:19:00] Kelerion: a1fa: could try zenview
[04:20:00] a1fa: what is zenview?
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[04:20:00] adante: a1fa: whats the vid card?
[04:20:00] a1fa: some shitty 2mb
[04:20:00] adante: hm, good luck :)
[04:22:00] a1fa: nvidia settings can do it for any monitor tho and any card
[04:22:00] a1fa: :)
[04:22:00] Flimzy: What are you trying to do, alfa?
[04:23:00] d3ity: ok, first problem, xmltv hates me
[04:24:00] Flimzy: Is there any way to delete a channel from a specific tuner only?
[04:24:00] a1fa: i am trying to rotate my screen
[04:24:00] a1fa: on my lcd
[04:24:00] darkdrgn2k: Flimzy: create differnt sources :-P
[04:24:00] d3ity: can't locate Term/ReadKey.pm in @INC
[04:24:00] d3ity: anybody?
[04:24:00] Kelerion: Flimzy: re your post in the other channel – the only thing I could think of was to capture a silent video and then merge it with the audio from an alsa device.. but seeing as the audio won't have any timestamping then the sync between the two would be a nightmare
[04:24:00] Flimzy: I have diffferent sources
[04:24:00] a1fa: by 90degree
[04:24:00] darkdrgn2k: Flimzy: so whats the problem
[04:24:00] Flimzy: darkdrgn2k: I need to delete certian channels from one source. How do I do that?
[04:24:00] d3ity: anyone? xmltv not compiling?
[04:25:00] Flimzy: I know how to delete them from the lineup entirely
[04:25:00] Flimzy: but I only want to delete them for one source
[04:25:00] darkdrgn2k: Flimzy: mythtv-setup, last option is chenneld editor
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[04:25:00] Flimzy: Kelerion: That's how the WinTV 401 type cards work... the audio comes from another sound card. I never had sync problems there. But then those weren't compressed at first, either. Will that make a differnece?
[04:25:00] d3ity: :(
[04:25:00] Flimzy: darkdrgn2k: I don't see any option to delete a channel there, tho
[04:26:00] darkdrgn2k: Flimzy: then i dono
[04:26:00] darkdrgn2k: Flimzy: try editing the database manually
[04:26:00] d3ity: xmltv anyone?
[04:26:00] Kelerion: Flimzy.. but on your wintv card wasn't the audio patched to an external sound card? *from* the wintv card?
[04:26:00] a1fa: dude
[04:26:00] a1fa: i found this 3rd party software
[04:26:00] a1fa: that flips my windows around
[04:27:00] a1fa: by 90degrees
[04:27:00] a1fa: :P
[04:27:00] a1fa: awesome
[04:27:00] a1fa: now i can lay down
[04:27:00] a1fa: and irc upside down
[04:27:00] d3ity: awesome
[04:27:00] a1fa: true
[04:27:00] Flimzy: Kelerion: Yes. But the audio and video will be coming from the same source here, too.
[04:27:00] a1fa: i have this POS-586 system
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[04:27:00] a1fa: and old POS with touchsreen
[04:27:00] a1fa: 233mhz
[04:27:00] a1fa: bad arse
[04:28:00] Kelerion: Flimzy.. good luck.. but I doubt it's do-able
[04:28:00] Flimzy: Kelerion: Ultimately, I'm trying to get 5.1-channel audio.
[04:28:00] Flimzy: Kelerion: Everything is doable with open-source software :)
[04:28:00] ** Kelerion has been there – tried it **
[04:28:00] Kelerion: and got replies from people a lot more technical that me – all said it was a no-no
[04:29:00] a1fa: brb
[04:29:00] a1fa: need to reboot
[04:29:00] Flimzy: I'm surprised to be getting some of these channels over firewire... very pleasantly surprised
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[04:30:00] Flimzy: If I can get all these channels... then my PVR... and the whole audio issue, will become a non-issue
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[04:34:00] a1fa: aight dude
[04:34:00] a1fa: its fixed
[04:34:00] a1fa: its vertical
[04:34:00] a1fa: my pos is vertical now
[04:35:00] a1fa: it is so bad ass it is not even funny
[04:38:00] Kelerion: Cardoe: have you tried your suggestion you just made in the other channel? does it work?
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[04:42:00] defaultro: hey guys, can our 6600 GT do 1080p?
[04:42:00] d3ity: guys can i live without xmltv? or do i absolutley need it
[04:43:00] ** d3ity notes the next section states something about an alternate **
[04:43:00] d3ity: i cant get it to compile for the life of me
[04:43:00] Cardoe: Kelerion: why not?
[04:43:00] Cardoe: theoretically it should
[04:43:00] Cardoe: I've only used the video input + the sound input
[04:43:00] Cardoe: never tuner + sound
[04:44:00] defaultro: Cardoe, am I correct that EPG is included in the broadcast?
[04:44:00] Kelerion: I use video input too
[04:45:00] Kelerion: now you got me fascinated.. I spent days on trying to crack this and no one suggested using ivtvctl at all..
[04:45:00] Cardoe: defaultro: huh?
[04:45:00] Cardoe: EPG for?
[04:45:00] defaultro: ota
[04:45:00] Cardoe: yeah
[04:45:00] Cardoe: I believe so.
[04:45:00] defaultro: how many days do they send?
[04:45:00] Cardoe: no idea.
[04:45:00] defaultro: ok
[04:46:00] Cardoe: Kelerion: that's how I digitized some old camcorder stuff.
[04:46:00] Cardoe: connected it..
[04:46:00] Cardoe: ivtvctl'd
[04:46:00] Guyfromhe: yay mythtv :)
[04:46:00] Cardoe: cat /dev/video0 > professors-hoes-party.mpg
[04:46:00] Cardoe: 05
[04:46:00] defaultro: Cardoe, any tips on a multiple card tuners mythtv?
[04:46:00] Guyfromhe: their fun?
[04:47:00] Cardoe: defaultro: connect them
[04:47:00] Cardoe: configure them
[04:47:00] Cardoe: go!
[04:47:00] defaultro: Cardoe, :)
[04:47:00] Guyfromhe: worekd for me
[04:47:00] Kelerion: default input is currently "1: Audio Line In".. can I get a list of audio inputs from ivtvctl? can't see an option
[04:47:00] defaultro: i'm seeing users having issues with zipcodes in zap2it. how do we address them?
[04:47:00] Kelerion: -A found it
[04:48:00] Flimzy: Cardoe: The problem with that suggestion.... for my purposes... is my reason for using a separate audio input is b/c I want 5.1 channels... and the PVR's input is only 2-channel
[04:48:00] Kelerion: hang on a minute.. am already using line in
[04:48:00] defaultro: Flimzy, use an audio receiver then set it to ProLogic II
[04:49:00] Flimzy: defaultro: ?
[04:49:00] Kelerion: defaultro: thats what I ended up doing
[04:49:00] defaultro: BAM
[04:49:00] defaultro: ;)
[04:49:00] defaultro: it's not really 5.1 though
[04:49:00] Kelerion: exactly.. it's "pretend"
[04:49:00] defaultro: most HD OTA are sent as 5.
[04:49:00] defaultro: 1
[04:49:00] defaultro: yep
[04:49:00] Flimzy: I'm confused, methinks
[04:50:00] defaultro: i'm using the SPDIF output on my mobo
[04:50:00] defaultro: then enabled AC3 passthrough in mythtv
[04:50:00] jasta: gah, im tired, im going to sleep
[04:50:00] Kelerion: Cardoe: the trick would be to get an mpeg stream from the pvr.. and the spdif input from an external sound card and mix 'em
[04:50:00] defaultro: i also configured sound for that
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[04:50:00] Chutt: if you're using a pvr-x50 card, you're recording in SD
[04:51:00] Kelerion: yup
[04:51:00] defaultro: hi Chutt, long time no see :)
[04:51:00] Chutt: how do you get a 5.1 audio track with sd programming?
[04:51:00] defaultro: i'm in the market to buy a fusion hdtv lite card. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a howto for it
[04:51:00] Flimzy: Chutt: resolution and audio are completely different things.
[04:51:00] Chutt: of course, but where is the source?
[04:51:00] Flimzy: Chutt: Many SD digital streams are sent with 5.1 audio
[04:52:00] Chutt: many?
[04:52:00] confusi0n: is the dbox2 supported in 18.1?
[04:52:00] Kelerion: my Sky Sat box broadcasts movies with 5.1
[04:52:00] Flimzy: Chutt: Indeed. Many.
[04:52:00] Chutt: so, recording from svideo?
[04:52:00] Kelerion: and that ain't HD till Feb
[04:52:00] Kelerion: yup.. svideo
[04:52:00] Chutt: the pvr-x50 has a 2 channel audio encoder
[04:52:00] Flimzy: I'd imagine the vast majority of the premium movie channels would fall into the category of SD video + 5.1 audio
[04:53:00] robert_: im awfully close to getting sound working in mythtv... i have 2 line-in's so ill describe what each one does (audigy2 zs plat) ... Line1 (if i mute it for playback, under capture it is supposed to assume under "Analog Mix" which has volume up for capture.. i then get no playback sound at all..if i unmute line1 in playback it is unsynched and is playing direct instead of recording through mythtv)... For line2 i can actually get syn
[04:53:00] robert_: c'd with the video however i get a decent echo... what can i do?
[04:53:00] Chutt: just grab the prologic stream
[04:54:00] defaultro: are you guys familiar with scalers?
[04:54:00] Chutt: syncing up two separate sources will be rather difficult.
[04:54:00] Chutt: i'd imagine manual resyncing of the audio stream, since delays would be different depending on the program, etc
[04:55:00] Kelerion: Chutt.. thats what I was thinking.. then I was wondering how it works with a framegrabber card.. because you'd be able to do that wouldn't you?
[04:55:00] Flimzy: audio sync was never a problem with my WinTV 401 + separate soundcard...
[04:55:00] Chutt: naw, everything's analog there
[04:56:00] Chutt: digital audio's a bit different, you can't just substitute it and assume everything's the same :p
[04:56:00] Chutt: now if you had a surround decoder somewhere in there, and were recording the 5.1 as analog, it'd be the same
[04:57:00] Flimzy: maybe I can do that if necessary
[04:57:00] Kelerion: is a surround decoder and hardware thing?
[04:57:00] Flimzy: I'm puzzled why some of the local broadcast stations are 5C encrypted in HD...
[04:57:00] Kelerion: and=an
[04:57:00] defaultro: flimzy, you should complain about that being encrypted
[04:58:00] defaultro: i guess, local broadcast should be sent in clear
[04:58:00] defaultro: FCC
[04:58:00] Flimzy: Kelerion: doesn't have to be... but not sure what the implications of doing that are in software
[04:58:00] Flimzy: defaultro: Indeed.
[04:58:00] Flimzy: defaultro: I work for the cable co... so it should be rather easier for my voice to be heard, methinks
[04:58:00] defaultro: BAM
[04:58:00] defaultro: I'm planning to do QAM too once i get my fusion lite card
[04:59:00] defaultro: but having a hardtime finding a good howto
[04:59:00] Flimzy: in fact, so far only ABC and Fox are decodable
[04:59:00] defaultro: i'm glad, I have a 120" external antenna :)
[05:01:00] Flimzy: oh, and Discovery HD works
[05:01:00] Flimzy: hrm
[05:01:00] defaultro: great
[05:01:00] Guyfromhe: are there any apps for using the pvr350 radio functionality?
[05:02:00] defaultro: but f@#$, the new house I'm moving, there is like 7 tall pine trees which are about 60 feet away from my house. I'm hoping that it's going to affect broadcast :(
[05:02:00] defaultro: oops, I'm hoping that it's not going to affect broadcast :
[05:02:00] robert_: what would cause an echo in mythtv?
[05:03:00] defaultro: robert, can you do, ps ax|grep mythfrontend
[05:03:00] Guyfromhe: robert_: mythv box in an echo chamber
[05:03:00] Agrajag-: robert_: not having the line muted that you're recording from?
[05:03:00] robert_: im not running the frontend
[05:03:00] robert_: as im typing
[05:04:00] robert_: well my line2 doesnt have the mute ability
[05:04:00] robert_: so i took volume in playback to 00
[05:04:00] robert_: which i figured == mute
[05:04:00] Flimzy: hmm.
[05:04:00] Flimzy: the "digital music" channels seem to be encrypted
[05:04:00] Flimzy: not that that really bothers me
[05:04:00] defaultro: ok, guys, got to continue finishing my master bath :)
[05:04:00] defaultro: talk to you later......
[05:04:00] kyu_flux: has anyone used an xbox as a myth frontend?
[05:04:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: well sort of
[05:05:00] kyu_flux: you use the xbmc script?
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: i've used the mythtv plugin for xbmc
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: i've never used the actual mythtv under linux on the xbox
[05:05:00] kyu_flux: how does it work for playing live tv?
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: works fine for me
[05:05:00] kyu_flux: what version of mythtv-backend are you running?
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: i pick the channel I want and select it and it tunes and plays it
[05:05:00] Guyfromhe: i was running 0.16 I upgrade to 0.18 though I havn't tried it since
[05:06:00] Guyfromhe: i can try it again but i need to reconfigure it a bit
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[05:06:00] Guyfromhe: are you having problems with it or something?
[05:07:00] kyu_flux: when I play, I get a ".... wow....
[05:07:00] Guyfromhe: you get what?
[05:07:00] kyu_flux: it actually works... all day today i've gotten an encoder / nohost issue
[05:08:00] kyu_flux: wow... nevermind... geez...
[05:08:00] kyu_flux: I mean yay!
[05:08:00] kyu_flux: hah
[05:08:00] Guyfromhe: ?
[05:08:00] Guyfromhe: now i'm really confused
[05:08:00] kyu_flux: what I got before was an "no playback encoder ... ['-1', nohost, '-1]"
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[05:10:00] kyu_flux: well, thanks anyways =)
[05:10:00] Guyfromhe: so it's fixed now?
[05:11:00] kyu_flux: looks like it fixed that issue... another one might be an issue – I was playing live and it just flat out stopped
[05:11:00] kyu_flux: but I think I know why that happens (buffering in xbmc + too high buffer in the xbmc script)
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[05:11:00] kyu_flux: i'll play around with it – at least it plays now
[05:12:00] Guyfromhe: thats good
[05:12:00] Guyfromhe: that buffering thing was my issue for a while
[05:12:00] Guyfromhe: theres a network buffer option in xbmc that has to be lower than the buffer number in the mythscript
[05:12:00] kyu_flux: this is awesome... I was thinking about installing the myth frontend (xebian)
[05:13:00] Guyfromhe: I forgot I don't even have my mythbox setup for remote access anymore
[05:13:00] Guyfromhe: i'll reconfigure it later
[05:13:00] kyu_flux: but I think I can live with the buggy scripts... sometimes the menus become unusable and I have to hard reset xbmc
[05:14:00] Flimzy: Hmm
[05:14:00] Guyfromhe: that happens occasionally
[05:14:00] Guyfromhe: most of the time I just use a samba share to access the mythstuff directly
[05:14:00] kyu_flux: yeah... hrm... let me try something else before I forget about it
[05:15:00] kyu_flux: I was getting some "textColor" issue while looking at the program guide
[05:16:00] kyu_flux: yeah that still exists... I choose a program in the program guide and it switches to 'Recording Schedule Details – "%s"' and says... (let me hard reset and then I can post it)
[05:17:00] kyu_flux: Error: 'textColor' is an invalid keyword argument for this function"
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[05:19:00] Flimzy: Seems the problem with most of the local HD channels isn't that they don't broadcast in HD... but rather that the zap2it info has the wrong channel numbers
[05:20:00] kyu_flux: Flimzy: haven't used mythtv with HD (I haven't gotten an HD card yet) but when I go "local" HD straight to my tv, the numbers are totally inconsistent
[05:20:00] Flimzy: it shows some channels that don't exist... and other channels it says don't exist do
[05:20:00] kyu_flux: for example 8 == FOX, 20.2 == FOXHD, 20.3 = Discover, somewhere above 70 is discover
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[05:21:00] Flimzy: I have a channel 606 = KSCC HD... Is there any way I could get Myth to use the guide data for channel 006 (which is the SD version of the same channel)?
[05:23:00] Flimzy: then I also get 2 other HD channels that don't exist at all on zap2it.. One of them is just a local weather map, tho, so I don't really care about that. hehe
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[06:04:00] hpAuto: all my recordings are being cut short
[06:06:00] hpAuto: hm, in myth the recordings say they are 30 minute, but if I play them in windows they are 19
[06:10:00] hpAuto: mythtv makes the baby jesus cry
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[06:21:00] Flimzy: hpAuto, perhaps your clock is skewed
[06:21:00] Flimzy: running too fast
[06:21:00] hpAuto: it's synced with ntp
[06:21:00] Flimzy: but is it staying in sync?
[06:22:00] hpAuto: it's correct whenever I check it
[06:22:00] Flimzy: okay
[06:22:00] Flimzy: I dunno then
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[06:43:00] cesman: amuk: low latency desktop, y to the other
[06:44:00] amuk: thanks, I was about to compile with No Forced Preemption and no on big kernel lock.
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[06:52:00] cesman: you're welcome
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[11:00:00] deadguppy: hello.
[11:00:00] tweak_st: umm..you don't want the big kernel lock, especially since most of your threads will be doing i/o, but it won't break anything just make it slower...
[11:01:00] deadguppy: anyone know if a P3–1000 board is fast enough for a myth ?
[11:01:00] dtm: hi
[11:01:00] dtm: deadguppy: for what about a myth?
[11:01:00] deadguppy: looking to use an old motherboard.
[11:01:00] dtm: a myth which does what exactly?
[11:01:00] deadguppy: uhm, you know, bilding a myth box.
[11:01:00] dtm: no, there's no way to know.
[11:01:00] dtm: tell us.
[11:02:00] deadguppy: ?
[11:02:00] dtm: how many tuners? watching while recording? do you have hardware codecs?
[11:02:00] deadguppy: 2 tuners,.
[11:02:00] deadguppy: more than likely.
[11:02:00] dtm: countless possible configurations
[11:02:00] deadguppy: 2) yes.
[11:02:00] deadguppy: dont know about hardware codecs.
[11:02:00] deadguppy: using that happuage card.
[11:02:00] deadguppy: wintV
[11:02:00] dtm: how do you not know? that's possibly the most critical facet
[11:03:00] deadguppy: just wondering if i should bother using old motherboard, or use more recent.
[11:03:00] dtm: there are tons of wintvs
[11:03:00] tweak_st: how fast is the processor
[11:03:00] dtm: deadguppy: come back when the question is answerable then
[11:04:00] tweak_st: does that mean that the question is able to answer itself
[11:04:00] dtm: if you're just talking about the motherboard alone, that doesn't really matter
[11:05:00] adante: tweak_st: was that comment re the kernel lock directed at me?
[11:05:00] dtm: unless you dont have enough IDE channels for your projected storage or something else we can't possibly know
[11:05:00] tweak_st: i donno who asked it
[11:05:00] tweak_st: amuk guy
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[11:05:00] adante: oh right
[11:06:00] Guyfromhe: yay finally done work
[11:08:00] deadguppy: i will be using a hauupage winTV go
[11:08:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: what? did you patch your system?
[11:08:00] Guyfromhe: no
[11:09:00] dtm: i have green sugar cookies.
[11:09:00] Guyfromhe: i decided I should probably do work so I can stay home tomorrow
[11:09:00] Guyfromhe: since I can't sleep
[11:09:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh.
[11:09:00] Guyfromhe: if I played with my system i'd have to go it to work at 8 tomorrow
[11:09:00] dtm: well good luck with all that.
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[11:10:00] jusk1: evening
[11:10:00] tweak_st: morning
[11:10:00] Camisa: I am trying to use my CDRW with myth and it's asking me to put ide-scsi kernel options in... and that breaks k3b for me... how am I supposed to use the cdrw?
[11:11:00] Camisa: morning
[11:13:00] dtm: Camisa: ide-scsi has been obsolete for cdrecord for a long time. are you sure you need it?
[11:13:00] Guyfromhe: dtm: theres actually an option in myth that makes it use tuner2 for watching livetv which basically eliminates conflicts with recordings anyway
[11:13:00] Camisa: I don't want it.
[11:13:00] Camisa: dtm: what's the correct way for my cdrw to showup in myth?
[11:13:00] Guyfromhe: so i'm not too concerned about patching it
[11:14:00] dtm: Camisa: i haven't ever used mythtv; sorry. still learning how to build it on ppc ;)
[11:14:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh so you figured it out?
[11:14:00] Guyfromhe: well it's not the ideal soloution, but it works
[11:14:00] Camisa: dtm: good luck, it's a great program. is it compiling for you?
[11:15:00] Guyfromhe: cause if somehitng is scheduled on tuner2 and tuner1 is free it will have the same problem
[11:15:00] Guyfromhe: never used myth?
[11:15:00] Guyfromhe: sucks
[11:15:00] dtm: Camisa: it compiles for several minutes and gets to foreign assembly, so i'll try compiling just the backend. they announced a few days ago support for macos. so i'm hopeful.
[11:15:00] Camisa: well...
[11:15:00] Camisa: what os are you running?
[11:15:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: yeah i've seen xbmc at a friend's house extensively and i've seen tivo so i'm excited.
[11:16:00] dtm: Camisa: YDL 3.0
[11:16:00] Guyfromhe: xbmc is 0wnage
[11:16:00] Guyfromhe: so is mythtv
[11:16:00] Camisa: I've never heard of it. Have you tried gentoo? I picked it at first because of how easy mythtv installs... "emerge mythtv"
[11:16:00] dtm: kinda is yeah
[11:16:00] Guyfromhe: tivo is also ok
[11:16:00] dtm: Camisa: no.
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: though it doesn't have anything on myth or xbmc
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: other than stability
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: myth is a bit unstable still
[11:17:00] dtm: hehe
[11:17:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: but it's worth it huh? :)
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: it's got alot better between .16 – .18
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: but it's not perfect yet
[11:17:00] dtm: i'd even take videolan for right now ;)
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: very worth is
[11:17:00] Guyfromhe: it
[11:18:00] Guyfromhe: i dropped like $700 on my mythbox
[11:18:00] dtm: asap, i'm setting up videolan client for a streaming server and i wrote a shell script to change channels.
[11:18:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[11:18:00] dtm: gotta do that coz my cable feed and my powerbook (backend) are across the building
[11:18:00] Guyfromhe: heh
[11:19:00] dtm: i colocated my mythtv backend-to-be in a data center
[11:19:00] Guyfromhe: i bet the stupid call center is going to wake me up at 8am
[11:19:00] dtm: oic
[11:19:00] Guyfromhe: it's not gunna be very useful there
[11:19:00] dtm: oh really
[11:19:00] dtm: should i move it away from the cable tv feed, then?
[11:19:00] Guyfromhe: most data centers don't have tv feeds
[11:19:00] Guyfromhe: at least where there servers are
[11:20:00] dtm: well then it's extremely fortuitous that, as i said, i colocated it in a data center which does.
[11:20:00] dtm: instead of in most data centers
[11:20:00] Guyfromhe: then it prolly is
[11:20:00] Guyfromhe: plus you'd need a damn good connection to the thing
[11:20:00] dtm: cat5 will do
[11:20:00] Guyfromhe: you live in a datacenter?
[11:21:00] dtm: above.
[11:21:00] Guyfromhe: you have a datacetner under you?
[11:21:00] dtm: a very small one, yes
[11:21:00] Guyfromhe: how small?
[11:21:00] dtm: with a T1
[11:21:00] Guyfromhe: oh
[11:21:00] Guyfromhe: that small
[11:22:00] Guyfromhe: well if it's that close than it's probably cool
[11:22:00] dtm: it's called "data center" when you're its sysadmin :)
[11:22:00] dtm: so it's ok with you now, then?  :)
[11:22:00] Guyfromhe: sure is
[11:22:00] dtm: yeah, i colocated my mythtv box somewhere with no possible video feed
[11:22:00] Guyfromhe: I thought you meant you colocated it at a major datacenter acorss the country
[11:22:00] dtm: sure whynot
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[11:23:00] dtm: i'll just have it record really good episodes of seti@home
[11:23:00] Guyfromhe: heh
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[11:24:00] Guyfromhe: mmm hopefully I can sleep in till like 3 tomorrow
[11:24:00] Guyfromhe: that'd be nice
[11:25:00] Guyfromhe: it's a pita being on call
[11:26:00] dtm: yeah.
[11:26:00] dtm: i hear that.
[11:26:00] dtm: i'm fixin to prolly get back into that.
[11:26:00] Guyfromhe: into being on call?
[11:26:00] dtm: yeah
[11:26:00] Merlin83b3: You're crazy.
[11:26:00] dtm: moving to a real data center
[11:27:00] Guyfromhe: then you have to be on call all the damn time
[11:27:00] dtm: well, it'd be google.
[11:27:00] dtm: there's plenty to go around
[11:27:00] Guyfromhe: speically when your boss won't hire another guy
[11:27:00] dtm: i dont think we'll have a problem with that, if i get in.
[11:27:00] Guyfromhe: don'tcha?
[11:27:00] dtm: nawwwww
[11:27:00] Guyfromhe: thats good
[11:27:00] dtm: i reckon not
[11:28:00] Guyfromhe: if theres another guy you don't have to be on call 24/7/365
[11:28:00] dtm: i am told that when the data center guys say 'jump', the VPs say "how high?"
[11:28:00] dtm: yeah there'd be like a bunch others.
[11:28:00] Guyfromhe: i'm not quite that fortunate
[11:28:00] Merlin83b3: dtm will own google!
[11:28:00] dtm: the last time i had official on-call status, i had about 12 others
[11:28:00] dtm: :-o
[11:28:00] Guyfromhe: theres me this other guy and my boss
[11:29:00] dtm: Merlin83b3: hi! thx
[11:29:00] Guyfromhe: my boss never answers his phone and the other guy is pretty much only an rf guy
[11:29:00] Merlin83b3: :-)
[11:29:00] dtm: :/
[11:29:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: is this at a wisp?
[11:29:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[11:29:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i've done 3 wisps
[11:29:00] dtm: done mah time
[11:29:00] Guyfromhe: and dvb provider
[11:29:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[11:30:00] dtm: been there done that; disassembled the trophy amp
[11:30:00] Guyfromhe: haha
[11:30:00] dtm: wow dvb? via what medium?
[11:30:00] Guyfromhe: wireless
[11:30:00] dtm: oh my
[11:30:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[11:30:00] dtm: now that's interesting
[11:30:00] Guyfromhe: isn't it
[11:30:00] dtm: that was on my roadmap but purely theoretical
[11:30:00] adante: i'm trying to start the backend by running this from the command line: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --chuid myth --exec /usr/bin/mythbackend — --verbose all --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[11:30:00] dtm: what's your content source
[11:30:00] Guyfromhe: wireless line of sight
[11:30:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i mean how do you license content
[11:31:00] adante: it's spitting back at me
[11:31:00] adante: QSettings: error creating /root/.qt
[11:31:00] adante: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log: Permission denied
[11:31:00] adante: Error opening logfile
[11:31:00] Guyfromhe: content comes from satelite
[11:31:00] adante: what's going on here?
[11:31:00] Guyfromhe: cband/ku
[11:31:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: in what country
[11:31:00] Guyfromhe: canada
[11:31:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: THAT's why you can do that.
[11:31:00] Guyfromhe: you can't do that elsewhere?
[11:31:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i flipped out when i read about that and then learned i can't do that in the US
[11:31:00] Guyfromhe: sucks
[11:31:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: well you can do it in free countries
[11:31:00] Merlin83b3: adante: Your user myth can't access /var/log/mythtv
[11:31:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: not in the US though, and i dont know where else
[11:32:00] Guyfromhe: thats too bad
[11:32:00] Guyfromhe: though were doing a bad job of it cause we don't wanna spend any money
[11:32:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: yes that quite literally is too bad
[11:32:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh really? how bad
[11:32:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: how many wifi nodes do you have?
[11:32:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: roughly
[11:32:00] Guyfromhe: well all our equipment is 7 years old or so, cheapest bidder stuff and their all out of business now
[11:33:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: all of it? all the wifi stuff or just the tv stuff?
[11:33:00] Guyfromhe: we've got 2 internet nodes in mb and 1 in bc
[11:33:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: what are you using for settopbox?
[11:33:00] Guyfromhe: all of it
[11:33:00] Guyfromhe: um, some company i've never heard of before
[11:33:00] Guyfromhe: um...
[11:33:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: how many wifi subscribers do you have?
[11:33:00] Guyfromhe: like a grand or something
[11:34:00] Guyfromhe: it's a pretty small company
[11:34:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: what?! you have 1000 wifi subscribers?
[11:34:00] Guyfromhe: somewhere around there
[11:34:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i've never heard of a wisp that big
[11:34:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: operated by three people?
[11:34:00] Guyfromhe: pretty much
[11:34:00] adante: ahh forgot i run backend as root..
[11:34:00] adante: thanks Merlin83b3
[11:34:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: * w t f *
[11:35:00] adante: is that.. still safe?
[11:35:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: that's pretty far out man
[11:35:00] Guyfromhe: isn't it
[11:35:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: bravo
[11:35:00] Guyfromhe: and pretty much every app is custom built
[11:35:00] ** dtm gives a standing golf clap **
[11:35:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: but not the settopbox? or is it running custom linux?
[11:35:00] Guyfromhe: no the settops are running crap
[11:35:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: do they have DVR functionality
[11:35:00] Guyfromhe: it works with our mpeg encoders
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: no
[11:36:00] dtm: oic
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: they don't even have guide functionality
[11:36:00] dtm: wow
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: their like 7 years old
[11:36:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: dude how is that even possible? 1000 subscribers with one RF engineer?
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: all of our equipment is old trash
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: he's not even a real engineer
[11:36:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: do you have dozens of tower and CPE techs?
[11:36:00] dtm: and installers
[11:36:00] Guyfromhe: um we have 3 or 4 CPE techs
[11:37:00] Guyfromhe: who are also installers
[11:37:00] dtm: ok that's outrageous :)
[11:37:00] dtm: are they constantly busy?
[11:37:00] Guyfromhe: the tower tech is the RF guy
[11:37:00] Guyfromhe: pretty much
[11:37:00] dtm: that's amazing, man.
[11:37:00] Guyfromhe: it takes like half a month to get an install
[11:37:00] dtm: lol
[11:37:00] Guyfromhe: were running a full docsis compliant system it's not 802.11
[11:38:00] dtm: oh? what, it's licensed?
[11:38:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[11:38:00] Guyfromhe: 2.6 ghz
[11:38:00] dtm: oic
[11:38:00] dtm: weird.
[11:38:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[11:38:00] dtm: that's not too close to 2.4GHz?
[11:38:00] dtm: do you use mythtv at all?
[11:39:00] Guyfromhe: it's 2000 mhz from 2.4 ghz
[11:39:00] Guyfromhe: do i use mythtv?
[11:39:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: no does the dvb system use it
[11:39:00] Guyfromhe: oh no
[11:39:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: does it use linux
[11:39:00] Guyfromhe: um the actual system itself is all propriatry crap
[11:40:00] Guyfromhe: it's made by BNI, I think the whole company went out of business
[11:40:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: so you're building a mythtv backup?  ;)
[11:40:00] dtm: DO IT
[11:40:00] dtm: <3
[11:40:00] dtm: i read an article about a guy in canada doing just that
[11:40:00] Guyfromhe: I don't have any type of RF output from my mythbox
[11:40:00] dtm: output? to what
[11:40:00] Guyfromhe: to the transmitters
[11:41:00] dtm: uhhh well. that's why it's a backup
[11:41:00] dtm: is ya swap it when that one blows up
[11:41:00] Guyfromhe: i think you have to encode it in a special way for the boxes to use the signal
[11:41:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: for the settopboxes?
[11:41:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[11:41:00] dtm: L O L
[11:41:00] dtm: oh man.
[11:42:00] Guyfromhe: i dunno, I havn't tried to talk to a settop directly
[11:42:00] dtm: so you need to start planning the migration ;)
[11:42:00] jusk1: wth?
[11:42:00] dtm: or do you have a cold standby
[11:42:00] dtm: a duplicate
[11:42:00] dtm: off of ebay ;)
[11:42:00] Guyfromhe: i'd need to be able to output mpeg frames out onto the cable
[11:42:00] Guyfromhe: um no
[11:43:00] Guyfromhe: were waiting for the whoel system to fail so we can panic
[11:43:00] dtm: yeah i bet it's $$$
[11:43:00] dtm: make that $$$$$$
[11:43:00] Guyfromhe: thats our company philosiphy
[11:43:00] dtm: yeah.
[11:43:00] dtm: dude i admonish you to research those settopboxes. dissect one if you must.
[11:43:00] dtm: and to research a myth-based alternative
[11:43:00] dtm: you can save on tuners that way ;)
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[11:44:00] dtm: haha i wonder how many pvrusb2's you can daisy chain  ;->
[11:44:00] Guyfromhe: how would that save on tuners?
[11:44:00] jusk1: dtm: a PPC based set top box won't be capable of doing much expect for play back its own format
[11:44:00] dtm: because myth would allow the customer to time-shift
[11:44:00] dtm: not requiring a tuner always
[11:45:00] dtm: jusk1: what???
[11:45:00] dtm: jusk1: sorry, that made no sense :)
[11:45:00] dtm: ppc has nothing to do with anything
[11:45:00] Guyfromhe: your saying give myth based settops to the customers?
[11:45:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: that is in fact what i'm saying, sir
[11:45:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: also offer streaming video so they can watch it on whatever they want
[11:45:00] Guyfromhe: we'd need to buy some kinda of pc based settop for that
[11:46:00] dtm: pricing tiers for multiple streams per CPE
[11:46:00] jusk1: dtm: mythtv is great & all that, but in no way is it ready for general consumption
[11:46:00] dtm: jusk1: they dont need the frontend.
[11:46:00] Guyfromhe: i guess I could try going IP tv for something like that
[11:46:00] jusk1: STBs have to be pretty much infallible, at least from the end-user's point of view
[11:47:00] jusk1: anyway what if the STBs don't have disk interfaces? kinda screwed then
[11:47:00] Guyfromhe: anyway doesn't matter, the company won't spend any money until the existing thing works
[11:47:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: do you know what codec your settopbox uses at all
[11:47:00] Guyfromhe: i believe it's mpeg2
[11:47:00] dtm: jusk1: you're simply making no sense, sir.
[11:47:00] Merlin83b3: Hi jusk1.
[11:47:00] jusk1: dtm: stfu
[11:47:00] dtm: jusk1: they can change channels or otherwise select content remotely
[11:47:00] jusk1: hiya Merlin83b3
[11:47:00] dtm: jusk1: oh ok thanks
[11:48:00] Guyfromhe: their happy holding the existing system together with bubblegum and string
[11:48:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i wonder if you could somehow bridge the existing settopboxes to a myth backend. you dont know what transport protocol they use?
[11:48:00] Merlin83b3: jusk1: I went out and grabbed an s-video cable and the picture is now soooooooooo much better. Next up is to try the AC3 straight to SPDIF and see if it fixes the prebuffering pauses.
[11:48:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: obviously it's tcp or udp, right?
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: no
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: their 1 way
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: they don't have and upstream
[11:49:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: yeah clearly but how do they get over your wifi network
[11:49:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: if not by tcp or udp
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: it's not a wifi network
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: it's a digital tv network
[11:49:00] Guyfromhe: it's like wireless cable
[11:49:00] jusk1: Merlin83b3: cool.. glad I could help :)
[11:49:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: yeah ok i dont mean literally wifi but it's an ISP right?
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: isp and cable provider
[11:50:00] Merlin83b3: jusk1: We'll see if you've helped yet ;-)
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: just like comcast
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: except without the cable
[11:50:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh you said it was a wisp. so i thought you meant this is over the same signal.
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: it's over the same spectrum
[11:50:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: so they're two separate carrier signals?
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: part of the spectrum is used for tv part for data
[11:50:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[11:50:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh!!!! ok.
[11:51:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: that's awesome.
[11:51:00] jusk1: dtm: do a bit of reading up on the DOCSIS standards ;)
[11:51:00] Guyfromhe: yeah if they were ip based it would make things more playable
[11:51:00] dtm: jusk1: i just learned how to change channels on US cable. i dont think i could handle DOCSIS ;)
[11:51:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: ahhhh. now it makes sense, so to speak ;)
[11:51:00] jusk1: heheh
[11:52:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: i assumed they were the same carrier signal, all IP
[11:52:00] Guyfromhe: but the STBs are built to pickup the video carrier off the air and decode it thats all they do
[11:52:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: ok so they're the same wireless CPE, right?
[11:52:00] Guyfromhe: so theres no really any wiggle room
[11:52:00] Guyfromhe: you'd have to elaborate
[11:52:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: wow so is your company planning on going out of business practically overnight someday?
[11:52:00] Guyfromhe: the same as what
[11:52:00] Guyfromhe: essentially
[11:52:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: oh i meant is it just using one CPE?
[11:52:00] dtm: for both tv and IP
[11:53:00] Guyfromhe: no
[11:53:00] dtm: k
[11:53:00] dtm: <----- noob
[11:53:00] dtm: <-- feer
[11:53:00] Guyfromhe: tv is a stb and ip is a modem
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[11:54:00] Guyfromhe: we've got a bunch of spare internet equipment and we've got a bunch of towers we don't have many customers on so we'd go out of business slowly
[11:54:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: ok so the stb is a cpe. and you have one antenna for both cpe?
[11:54:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[11:54:00] adante: su
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[11:54:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: sharpen up that resume, bro
[11:54:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: but you're fighting the good fight for now
[11:54:00] Guyfromhe: they've been in business 7 years so far
[11:55:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: you can fall back on wisp somewhat huh
[11:55:00] dtm: when tv goes dark
[11:55:00] dtm: ;]
[11:55:00] jusk1: why do you guys use the word 'resume'? what do you say if you want to 'continue from where you left off' ? ;)
[11:55:00] Guyfromhe: hopefully
[11:55:00] dtm: jusk1: we say "context"
[11:55:00] jusk1: lol
[11:55:00] dtm: i dont type silly marks, sorry
[11:55:00] dtm: i dont know how offhand.
[11:56:00] Guyfromhe: anyhoo their pretty good at getting themselves out of sticky situations
[11:56:00] jusk1: lunchtime, and time to work on my CAT video sender
[11:56:00] jusk1: *cat5
[11:57:00] Guyfromhe: anyhoo it's a fun job while it lasts
[11:57:00] dtm: yeah.
[11:57:00] adante: anybody running gentoo here?
[11:57:00] dtm: sounds like it
[11:57:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: you should consider becoming the mythtv hero
[11:57:00] Guyfromhe: and i get all this fun stuff
[11:57:00] Guyfromhe: the mythtv hero?
[11:57:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: get some embedded systems to R&D
[11:58:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: and get ready to provide a backup system ;)
[11:58:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: one CPE! maybe you can use the same antenna cable to the new stb, but for IP  ;) i dunno
[11:58:00] Guyfromhe: thats an expensive thing to start doing
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: well thats what it would be
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: pretty much tv over ip
[11:59:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: so how many more stbs do you have in stock? can more be bought?
[11:59:00] dtm: yeah.
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: like 100,000
[11:59:00] dtm: that's my point
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[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: we have a massive room full of them
[11:59:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: lol????!
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: stacked like 5 feet high
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: i should take a picture some time, it's actually pretty funn
[11:59:00] adante: anybody know if i can build the 18.1 mythvideo ebuild against 18.2_pre7882 ebuild?
[11:59:00] Guyfromhe: y
[11:59:00] dtm: Guyfromhe: ok well good luck;i'm crashin now, and hoping my videolan finishes compiling ;)
[12:00:00] Guyfromhe: heh well have fun
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[12:00:00] jusk1: adante: should be able to
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[12:00:00] jcsmith: morning all: I posted last night about some quality problems i'm having, i was wondering if anyone here now might have a suggestion? I truend on deinterlacing as juski suggested the other day
[12:01:00] jcsmith: however stuff is still kind of grainy especially if there is a lot of movement on screen
[12:02:00] jcsmith: i've narrowed it down to a definite problem on the input side by cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and playing it on another computer, the video is grainy and kind of choppy
[12:03:00] Merlin83b3: jcsmith: Checked that you have hdparm on for your hdd?
[12:03:00] Merlin83b3: jcsmith: Or perhaps check the data rate it can do?
[12:04:00] jcsmith: i've checked that dma is enabled
[12:04:00] jcsmith: how would i check the data rate it can do?
[12:05:00] Merlin83b3: hdparm -t /dev/hda
[12:05:00] Merlin83b3: I think
[12:06:00] Merlin83b3: Or whatever your hard disk is.
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[12:09:00] jcsmith: Merlin83b3: any idea what it should be at a minimum?
[12:09:00] Merlin83b3: 30Mbps + I think.
[12:09:00] Merlin83b3: Not sure really – what are you getting?
[12:09:00] Merlin83b3: Mine seems okay at 27Mbps or so.
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[12:10:00] jcsmith: Merlin83b3: /dev/hdb:
[12:10:00] jcsmith: Timing cached reads: 1208 MB in 2.01 seconds = 602.28 MB/sec
[12:10:00] jcsmith: Timing buffered disk reads: 172 MB in 3.03 seconds = 56.77 MB/sec
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[12:11:00] Merlin83b3: jcsmith: plenty :-)
[12:11:00] jcsmith: Merlin83b3: booger i was hoping this might be as simple as moving my storedge directory to another drive, guess that was too much to hope for
[12:15:00] jusk1: jcsmith... you say 'grainy'.. is it block at all on fast moving things?
[12:16:00] jcsmith: it doesn't really block things just don't seem to be as sharp as they should be
[12:16:00] jusk1: *blocky
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[13:08:00] adante: i've rescanned my channels, backend is giving me a "no pids set" error, I know I'm missing something critical here but what is it?
[13:08:00] adante: the channels seem to have scanned fine, how do i actually figure out where to set the initial channel, or change the pids?
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[13:20:00] znoG: question, if a capture card comes with a remote control, does it have to be supported by lirc?
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[13:21:00] znoG: Guyfromhe .. around?
[13:24:00] Ryushin: znoG: It doesn't have to be supported by lirc.
[13:24:00] Ryushin: But you better make sure there are drivers for it.
[13:24:00] znoG: ah, that's what I was gonna ask.. :)
[13:25:00] defaultro: morning guys! Anyone of you familiar with fusion hdtv card?
[13:25:00] Ryushin: lirc is the only software for remotes that I know of.
[13:25:00] znoG: Ryushin: so most likely i'll have to make sure lirc works with it
[13:25:00] znoG: Ryushin: or that some driver exists for it
[13:25:00] Ryushin: defaultro: Sorry now, I have a HD-3000 card.
[13:25:00] defaultro: Ok, np
[13:25:00] Ryushin: znog: yea.
[13:25:00] defaultro: I currently have air2pc but was planning to add a second hdtv card
[13:26:00] Ryushin: lirc supports a LOT of equipment.
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[13:26:00] znoG: the card is a no-name el-cheapo card, so i've no idea what chip it has to even check that a driver exists for it
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[13:26:00] defaultro: znoG, i think, lirc is preferrable sincce you can compile mythtv with lirc too
[13:26:00] znoG: Ryushin: my only hope is that lirc supports some widely-used chip that this card has
[13:26:00] defaultro: znoG, that's the reason I built my own lirc device :)
[13:27:00] Ryushin: defaultro: You might want to look at the hd-3000 card. Support is excellent in myth and the creators of the card provide development resources for myth.
[13:27:00] znoG: defaultro: electronics was never my strength, so I'd make a disaster if I tried :)
[13:27:00] defaultro: hd3000 is a bit pricey back when i was looking for a card. I ended getting Air2PC and very happy with the result. Now, I'm seeing this $99 fusion card which is almost 35% cheaper
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[13:33:00] Ryushin: defaultro: Did you get the 1 gen air2pc card? The Air2PC HD5000 is only a few dollars less than the HD-3000 card.
[13:33:00] Ryushin: I don't know, I might want to pay a little more to just have it work.
[13:34:00] Ryushin: What do you use for your NTSC card?
[13:39:00] adante: ok, is it POSSIBLE to set pids for autoscanned channels?
[13:40:00] adante: and is there a way to stop myth from resetting the "starting channel" field? i keep setting it, everytime it fails it blanks it out
[13:41:00] d3ity: hey all, trying to setup mythtv...having a few troubles
[13:42:00] d3ity: the mythtv setup program is looking for some kind of theme, and it cant find it, also, i can't run mythtv without cd-ing into the mythtv-0.18.1/setup directory
[13:42:00] d3ity: did i do something wrong in my install?
[13:42:00] d3ity: i had to make some symbolic links so it could find libs as well
[13:50:00] d3ity: anyone?
[13:51:00] jusk1: adante: no way to set PIDs manually – it's all done by the SIT parser iirc
[13:52:00] jusk1: d3ity: probably wrong environment variable or build location.. read the documentation
[13:57:00] adante: jusk1: righto, thanks
[13:58:00] adante: say where's hte option to revert to the old menu style?
[13:58:00] adante: at the moment the main menu has watch tv, media library..
[13:58:00] jusk1: utils/setup > setup > appearance.. you want the 'classic' style
[13:58:00] adante: thanks
[13:59:00] jusk1: adante: check the dtv_multiplex table.. make sure it's populated with valid looking data (compare it to the results of the dvb util 'scan')
[14:00:00] Cromz: bah use Project-Greyhem course I'm biased on the darker themes.. ;) I'm sorta goth lol would be cool if it had a graveyard across the top.. :>
[14:01:00] laga: nothing wrong with gothics, but isn't a graveyard too much of a clichee? ;)
[14:01:00] adante: jusk1: cheers once again
[14:01:00] GreyFoxx: shmat: Identifier removed
[14:01:00] GreyFoxx: oops
[14:01:00] GreyFoxx: stupid cut n paste
[14:01:00] Cromz: laga might be. but it's something I like.
[14:01:00] adante: jusk1: i gave up trying to reset, threw my old db back in (figured if it ain't broke..)
[14:01:00] laga: Cromz: :)
[14:03:00] Cromz: course I'd also want something like this for the item selector pointer.. http://img.shopping.com/images1/di/65/78/41/4 . . . -100x100.jpg
[14:03:00] Cromz: lol
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[14:15:00] jusk1: I'm gonna make a new theme & call it ass-hat, after the users who'll like it
[14:17:00] sphing: awesome
[14:17:00] Cromz: jusk1, bight and shiny theme?
[14:17:00] jusk1: it'll look a whole lot like a tivo gui
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[14:22:00] ** jusk1 stops being trollish **
[14:23:00] laga: no fun :/
[14:25:00] d3ity: hrm
[14:25:00] d3ity: do i need to compile a kernel for mythtv? do I need to add drivers for my hauppage card?
[14:26:00] laga: d3ity: what capture card?
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[14:26:00] d3ity: laga, PVR-150
[14:27:00] d3ity: so do i need video4linux compilecd into the kernel?
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[14:27:00] laga: d3ity: yep, you need that. make sure to read up here: www.ivtvdriver.org
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[14:30:00] d3ity: ah, so now, i get to compile a kernel, awesome
[14:30:00] d3ity: easiest part so far
[14:30:00] laga: most distro kernels already have video4linux
[14:31:00] confusi0n: laga: hi, i'll continue in here, lol. can i ask does the dbox tend to crash very often with mythtv, or simply just as often as it normally does (i find mine to be quite unstable anyway)
[14:31:00] d3ity: laga, heh, yes, perhaps they do, but the last time i used a distro's builtin kernel was 1992
[14:31:00] Merlin83b3: What's a dbox, confusi0n?
[14:32:00] laga: confusi0n: it's quite unreliable with mythtv. i've never used it as a stand-alone box before. i believe the dbox NIC just sucks. :)
[14:33:00] confusi0n: lol ic
[14:33:00] confusi0n: Merlin83b3: its a digital set top box
[14:33:00] Merlin83b3: Oh
[14:33:00] Ryushin: d3ity: You'll probably want to use 2.6.15 and ivtv 0.5.1.
[14:34:00] confusi0n: laga: thanks anyway, ill have a play... just to make certain before i carry on... you've definately got it working fine with svn mythtv? ;D
[14:34:00] Ryushin: d3ity: Did you get the pvr-150 with the remote?
[14:35:00] Ryushin: d3ity: If so, you will need lirc svn.
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[14:35:00] laga: confusi0n: i'm running revision 8498 at the moment.
[14:35:00] confusi0n: kewl
[14:35:00] d3ity: Ryushin, nope, no remote...yet
[14:38:00] Ryushin: d3ity: ivtv 0.5.x series is going to use the modules in the native kernel. I'm going to upgrade my setup to that later this week. I'm running 2.6.14 and 0.4.0. So far it's been very stable. But getting the modules sorted between the too is fun.
[14:39:00] Ryushin: two is fun.
[14:39:00] d3ity: ok, so...do i need to patch the kernel or is this magical ivtv driver in the kernel already
[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: no, ivtv is not part of the main kernel
[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: and you don't need to patch the kernel
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: you can just compile and install the ivtv modules
[14:40:00] d3ity: ok, cool
[14:40:00] d3ity: thats awesome as it makes my life much easier
[14:40:00] d3ity: now all i have to do is dig up my old .config
[14:40:00] d3ity: from this 2.6.14.3 kernel
[14:40:00] d3ity: to /proc/config.gz
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[14:46:00] d3ity: ok so BT848 is the chipset in the hauppage pvr-150 correct? so thats the only module i need from video4linux
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: no
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: the ivtv drivers have the modulesfor the chips on the 150
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: the bt848 is a regular old tuner chip
[14:47:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, so where is this ivtv driver found in the kernel?
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: It's not, like it has already been stated
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: <GreyFoxx> no, ivtv is not part of the main kernel
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: youhave to download it
[14:47:00] d3ity: oh, whoops, misread that then
[14:48:00] d3ity: so i have to patch the kernel?
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: No
[14:48:00] d3ity: or is it a standalone that taints the kernel like fglrx
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: Just download and compile
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: ivtvdriver.org I believe
[14:48:00] d3ity: ok, but I still need this bt848 videoforlinux driver in the kernel, correct?
[14:48:00] d3ity: or will that conflict with it
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: no
[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: It's not required and no it wont cause a problem if it'd there
[14:49:00] d3ity: so don't use this and just download from ivtvdriver.org and it will work
[14:49:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, so i don't even need to bother with adding Video4Linux to my kernel
[14:49:00] d3ity: ok
[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: no, you do need to add v4l
[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: Just don't need any of the built in v4l drivers
[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: you still need v4l support
[14:49:00] d3ity: ok
[14:50:00] d3ity: awesome.
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[14:50:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: did you ever get around to making the ati_remote module based on a config file?
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[14:50:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Nope, never bothered
[14:50:00] sphing: so to edit the buttons I need to edit the module?
[14:50:00] d3ity: 9:50 AM, exactly one hour from my first class
[14:51:00] laga: GreyFoxx: are you sure? ivtv 5.0 requires lots of stuff in the kernel, it only ships with the ivtv module i guess
[14:51:00] laga: d3ity: slacker. i had my first class at 9am. ;)
[14:51:00] laga: defaultro: hey, long time no see :)
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[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Correct
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[14:51:00] sphing: cool thx
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: laga: 0.5 might, but it certainly doeswn't require bt8x8 support
[14:52:00] laga: it's funny how jochen kuehner keeps requesting softcam support.
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: he does ? I've never noticed
[14:52:00] laga: GreyFoxx: right ;). but the tuner module and so on, and it's possible that you need bttv support in order to compile tuner.ko. not sure, though.
[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh true enough
[14:53:00] laga: GreyFoxx: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fe . . . p;oldid=4294 <- for example. or a recent post in the german mythtvtalk
[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: to get tuner you might well
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[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: What an idiot
[14:53:00] jd86: Ok my tuners are having some major wierd problems
[14:54:00] laga: GreyFoxx: right.
[14:55:00] laga: ok, this is very OT, but it keeps bugging me. is 'time bomb' one word or two words?
[14:55:00] GreyFoxx: I've seen it written as both
[14:55:00] laga: GreyFoxx: well, you mean as "timebomb" and "time bomb"?
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[14:56:00] laga: GreyFoxx: k, but i was more referring to the whole string "time bomb". consists of two 'units', but i've been told it's only one word.
[14:57:00] sphing: laga: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=timebomb
[14:57:00] laga: sphing: thanks.
[14:58:00] jd86: My first problem is i have these wavy lines going across the picture on one of my tuners..
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[14:58:00] laga: jd86: only on one of your tuners?
[14:58:00] jd86: some channels don't really come in at all... what could cause this
[14:58:00] laga: jd86: what tuners do you have?
[14:58:00] jd86: laga: i have different problems on my other tuners
[14:58:00] sphing: jd86: are the lines only on top?
[14:59:00] jd86: i have a PVR 150, i have a ati bt878 (like tv wonder) and a hauppague wintv i think it is
[14:59:00] jd86: well on this channel i cant see much of anything
[14:59:00] jd86: its all color lines across the whole thing but the bottom
[14:59:00] jd86: but
[14:59:00] jd86: on another channel
[15:00:00] jd86: ugh i'm having all sorts of problems now (i moved the tvbox and it no longe rhas a dct hooked up to it)
[15:00:00] jd86: alright
[15:00:00] jd86: for example
[15:00:00] jd86: this channel has these wavy lines from top to bottom and they're like bumps almost
[15:00:00] sphing: are they all connected to the same source, and does that channel not work on all the tuners
[15:00:00] jd86: allt he same source (now)
[15:00:00] jd86: lets see
[15:01:00] jd86: works perfectly on one
[15:01:00] jd86: and not at all on the other one
[15:01:00] d3ity: so this ivtv is just install the driver and firmware according to the howto, and boom, instant workage.
[15:01:00] jd86: i can try to record using this tuner for you to see it..... but i don't know if itll work
[15:01:00] jd86: is there a way of switching tuners (i have two frontends, and ive been running to one and back to see which one is doing what...)
[15:01:00] jd86: this isn't too good here
[15:02:00] jd86: ivtv0 warning: ENC Stream 0 OVERFLOW #1326: Stealing a Buffer, 512 currently allocated
[15:02:00] jd86: what is that?
[15:02:00] sphing: so it could be the drivers of whatever card thats the problem (since they are all using different cards) or the source coax cable (ie a shitty splitter)
[15:03:00] jd86: i have a splitter, but i don't know if its "shitty"
[15:03:00] jd86: it used to be downstairs
[15:03:00] jusk1: confusi0n: you using a dbox2 in the UK?
[15:03:00] jd86: hooked up to the dct
[15:03:00] sphing: 48 degrees outside and I have to bike ride to campus
[15:03:00] jd86: how do i find out what encoder number goes with what card?
[15:03:00] sphing: fun stuff
[15:03:00] jusk1: because... the english images for it are a PoS & don't do network streaming anywhere near reliably enough
[15:04:00] sphing: jd86: mythtv-setup or the manual way, that is unplug the source from one of the cards and see which input goes dead
[15:04:00] jd86: how do you check it in mythtv-seutp
[15:04:00] Beirdo: sphing: you complaining about 48F?
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[15:04:00] Beirdo: JEEZ
[15:04:00] sphing: i'm in florida
[15:04:00] sphing: yes
[15:05:00] sphing: and i'm bike riding
[15:05:00] Beirdo: 48F is still shorts weather
[15:05:00] jd86: its 36 here
[15:05:00] Beirdo: just barely
[15:05:00] Beirdo: you wanna complain, try -40F
[15:05:00] Merlin83b3: Or, for that matter, -40C
[15:05:00] sphing: youre in canada
[15:05:00] jusk1: try -273C :-D
[15:05:00] sphing: thats like 3000 miles north of me
[15:05:00] jd86: anyway lets not bitch
[15:05:00] Beirdo: Actually, I biked to work once in -39C plus wind chill a few years ago
[15:06:00] Beirdo: sphing: yes, and?
[15:06:00] jd86: thats my job..
[15:06:00] sphing: Beirdo: your nose turn black?
[15:06:00] Merlin83b3: jusk1: Making the point of -40 being the same on both scales ;-)
[15:06:00] Beirdo: no
[15:06:00] Beirdo: I just got to work, and then warmed up
[15:06:00] sphing: Beirdo: I'm in florida... I can almost throw a rock and have it hit the equator
[15:06:00] Beirdo: hah
[15:06:00] jd86: How do i tell what encoder number cooresponds with what input?
[15:06:00] Beirdo: you can almost hit the tropics you mean
[15:06:00] sphing: jd86: i just answered that
[15:06:00] jd86: sphery: i'm in mythtv-setup....
[15:07:00] sphing: yes and
[15:07:00] sphing: you've looked where?
[15:07:00] jd86: i guess i can go by last channel number
[15:08:00] sphing: ::: blank stare :::
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[15:08:00] jd86: alright... anyway #6 is a bttv card
[15:09:00] jd86: thats the one having all sorts of problems
[15:10:00] jd86: i don't even know how to go about fixing that
[15:10:00] jd86: i used to use the video input (not that coax in) for that one input from my cable box..
[15:10:00] jd86: so this could have been like that before. wonderful.
[15:12:00] jd86: anyone have any ideas?
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[16:22:00] sven: I'm curious, a making a specific device work in linux. I have read a little on it, but nothing was entirely clear. I think I have what's referred as a ATI tv wonder VE card 64. I haven't tried to enable V4L and have yet to install MythTV. I am in the research phase. I just wanted confirmation that the USB 2.0 TV wonder is supported.
[16:23:00] laga: is it an USB device?
[16:25:00] sven: Yes
[16:25:00] praet: sven: that card uses the bttv drivers and should work
[16:25:00] laga: it's likely it won't work.
[16:25:00] laga: oh, really?
[16:25:00] laga: well, i should shut up then ;)
[16:25:00] sven: Praet, wow. Laga, don't worry. When I bought it, it wasn't supported.
[16:25:00] adante: if i wanted to add dvb channels to myth manually, which tables do i need to look at?
[16:26:00] sven: I payed 50$ for it when I worked for CompUSA thinking, there will be linux support some day. ATI releases linux drivers. O_o
[16:26:00] adante: i thought i'd need dvb_channel but it's currently empty
[16:26:00] adante: and also is there any way i can get information about the resolution of a particular stream?
[16:27:00] adante: neither frontend or backend logs seem to have it
[16:27:00] rjune: sven: ATi tuners aren't well supported
[16:27:00] praet: well basically the card will be amess all around but i think it should work
[16:28:00] praet: the pci variation works..
[16:28:00] praet: options bttv card=64 autoload=0 radio=0
[16:28:00] adante: my bad, found it in frontend
[16:32:00] praet: sven: i think knoppmyth will find that card so you could boot off the live cd and try it before installing your os
[16:33:00] sven: what.
[16:33:00] sven: no
[16:33:00] sven: really
[16:34:00] sven: cool
[16:36:00] Ryushin: praet: I thought that knoppmyth won't even work in live mode. I thought it had to install to a drive first.
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[16:39:00] praet: Ryushin: well the frontend will get you into a working linux to test the card
[16:40:00] praet: i used it to test my pvr-150, (it uses the ivtv driver) .. not positive if it includes the bttv driver
[16:43:00] Ryushin: Oh, I didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.
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[16:47:00] sven: I've never had such quick and informed support for anything I've ever tried, since I was installing WindowMaker back in 98. You all rock
[16:47:00] sven: Thanks
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[16:56:00] praet: btw the livecd does run with the bttv driver (BTTV 9.15)
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[17:33:00] adante: anybody else using dvb?
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[17:41:00] ** Beirdo moves his mythtv source tree to be on the fileserver **
[17:42:00] Beirdo: enough of this nonsense, /usr/src/mythtv is half a gig :)
[17:42:00] Beirdo: likely as there are two compiled versions of the libs in there, but whatever :)
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[17:59:00] CraiZE: hi
[18:00:00] CraiZE: anyone about?
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[18:01:00] nadia007: hi craize...
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[18:08:00] dagfinnr: hello.. how can i redirect the mythtv box web service to a port (i.e 6666 on my debian server) ?
[18:08:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, change the port in apache?
[18:08:00] dagfinnr: what do you mean?
[18:09:00] kormoc: apache is what set's the port
[18:09:00] dagfinnr: the mythbox is behind a debian box..so i use nat
[18:09:00] kormoc: so you just tell apache to server on 6666 and then it iwll
[18:09:00] kormoc: then you just nat external ip:6666 to mythweb:6666
[18:11:00] dagfinnr: ok
[18:11:00] xris: kormoc: or external:6666 to mythweb:80
[18:11:00] xris: (or 443 in my case)
[18:11:00] kormoc: xris, ooh? how do you do that?
[18:11:00] xris: kormoc: that's how port forwarding works... source, destination
[18:12:00] xris: maybe cheapo routers don't do that, though.
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[18:12:00] xris: dagfinnr: do you already run a web server? if you do, mod_proxy is the easiest option.
[18:12:00] kormoc: yeah, but I was rather sure that (for https at least) the port had to be the same, as it was calculated into the key?
[18:12:00] xris: kormoc: nope
[18:12:00] dagfinnr: xris, yeah i do
[18:12:00] kormoc: wow.
[18:12:00] kormoc: welp then, time to read up and redesign my network when I move.
[18:13:00] xris: dagfinnr: mod_proxy
[18:13:00] xris: well, as long as you can do name-based stuff
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[18:14:00] dagfinnr: xris do you have a tutorial or something?
[18:14:00] Beirdo: muhahahah
[18:14:00] xris: dagfinnr: http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=ht . . . ;q=mod_proxy
[18:14:00] Beirdo: my mythtv build tree is now over NFS
[18:14:00] xris: Beirdo: my nfs broke this weekend.
[18:14:00] Beirdo: what did ya do to it?
[18:15:00] xris: nothing. turns out that some random server on the net handles reverse lookups for 10-net... it went down
[18:15:00] Beirdo: ummm
[18:15:00] Beirdo: you should have your own reverse DNS for any of those nets you use :)
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[18:15:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:15:00] xris: so I finally got the incentive to set up my own reverse
[18:15:00] Beirdo: but that could be an issue, yeah
[18:16:00] dagfinnr: xris, do you think this would work? because i use nat..so the mythbox (192.168.0.15) would not be available from internet..
[18:17:00] xris: oh, so your webserver isn't on your home net.
[18:17:00] xris: nevermind, then
[18:17:00] dagfinnr: yeah, both is on my home net
[18:17:00] xris: then you're already port forwarding to your webserver, right?
[18:17:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[18:17:00] dagfinnr: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 6666 -j DNAT--to 192.168.0.15:6666
[18:17:00] dagfinnr: i use iptables for that
[18:18:00] xris: do you use a domain name to access it, or is it by ip?
[18:18:00] dagfinnr: its by ip now
[18:18:00] dagfinnr: static ip
[18:18:00] dagfinnr: i thought http://ip:6666 would work
[18:18:00] xris: mod_proxy will only work if you have a way to separate your webserver from your mythbox. which means either a different name, or a different ip
[18:19:00] xris: if you can't do that, just setting up a new port forward is your best option.
[18:19:00] dagfinnr: but do you know why the port forward doesent work?
[18:19:00] xris: the one you pasted above? isthe mythbox listening on 6666?
[18:19:00] xris: try something like: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 6666 -j DNAT--to mythbox:80
[18:19:00] dagfinnr: its listening on port 6666 now
[18:20:00] xris: then it should work
[18:20:00] dagfinnr: lynx localhost:6666 gives me the server
[18:20:00] dagfinnr: yeah, i mean so too..but no luck
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[18:21:00] bjohnson: question: friend has a PVR recorded image (I think in PS/TS mpeg2 format) that is too big to copy to their FAT32 disk (over the 2GB limit). How can I split it in linux in such a way that they can copy it in two files and still watch them?
[18:21:00] dagfinnr: ive only tried portforwarding with applications before..so i havent tried it with apache/web things..maybe i have to set the apache on the main server to listen on 6666 to? no?
[18:21:00] Beirdo: heheheh
[18:21:00] Beirdo: use NTFS?
[18:22:00] Beirdo: gotta be a way to do that
[18:22:00] bjohnson: linux can't write to NTFS and I'm hoping to not setup up a share on the linux box
[18:22:00] Beirdo: other than to transcode it.
[18:22:00] bjohnson: (they don't know linux but the file is coming from a linux based box)
[18:22:00] xris: dagfinnr: please list out which machines you have and what their function is.
[18:22:00] bjohnson: since I can cat mpeg files together, I wondered if you could just split them too
[18:23:00] Beirdo: I think you can, but you might get glitches
[18:23:00] xris: bjohnson: sure... mpgtx
[18:23:00] bjohnson: mpgtx?
[18:23:00] bjohnson: is that a program?
[18:23:00] xris: it's a program
[18:23:00] bjohnson: oh
[18:23:00] dagfinnr: xris: main machine..ftp .. web.mail etc .. = 192.168.0.1, mythbox: only myth(apache mysql ++) = 192.168.0.15
[18:23:00] kyu_flux_: Anyone: comcast in Sacramento – any digital tv tuner cards that work?
[18:24:00] xris: dagfinnr: ok, so main webserver is also your firewall.. and the port 6666 thing is the mythbox
[18:25:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[18:27:00] xris: and you're forwarding firewall:6666 to mythbox:6666
[18:27:00] dagfinnr: thats right
[18:27:00] xris: and connecting to localhost:6666 on the firewall works.
[18:27:00] dagfinnr: atleast thats what i think im doing
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[18:29:00] dagfinnr: well no .. lynx localhost:6666 doesent work on firewall
[18:29:00] dagfinnr: cuz apache on firewall isnt listening on 6666, only on 80
[18:31:00] kyu_flux_: oh wait maybe I should read this, too
[18:31:00] xris: do you have any other port forwards set up so you know you're doing it correctly? I gave up on raw iptables a long time ago when I switched to shorewall
[18:31:00] kyu_flux_: ok so you're forwarding firewall:6666 to mythbox:6666 so you can use mythweb?
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[18:33:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[18:33:00] kyu_flux_: is there any reason why you don't just install mythweb on your firewall box?
[18:33:00] Beirdo: ahhh, this makes keeping my fileserver and my PVR synchronized SO much easier
[18:33:00] kyu_flux_: (I thought about this all the way into work today)
[18:33:00] Beirdo: too bad I didn't think of that earlier
[18:33:00] sphing_: Beirdo: what?
[18:33:00] jusk1: adante: you still around? to answer your question about DVB resolution:.. if you're using PAL or SECAM, it's 720x576 or bust
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[18:34:00] Beirdo: I now keep my myth source on the fileserver and NFS mount it
[18:34:00] dagfinnr: kyu_flux, yeah.. this is just a temp location for it
[18:34:00] Beirdo: rather than having two copies
[18:34:00] jusk1: hometime.. laters, ya'll
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[18:34:00] kyu_flux_: ok...
[18:34:00] sphing: Beirdo: that will only work if the compiled version is generic like 386 no?
[18:35:00] kyu_flux_: I wish I had my rc.firewall so I could share with you how to get it to work (I have the firewall forwarding to apache in an internal box)
[18:35:00] d3ity: hey all
[18:35:00] d3ity: got a question
[18:35:00] Beirdo: well, the PVR and the fileserver are both Athlons, both running FC1
[18:35:00] Beirdo: so it works well
[18:35:00] d3ity: just installed the ivtv driver
[18:35:00] kyu_flux_: but I am wired on coffee right now =)
[18:36:00] sphing: Beirdo: ahh ok, cause i have c3 so that wouldnt work
[18:36:00] d3ity: tried running mythtv-setup, and I cant use the driver, also, terminal is saying Couldn't open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs
[18:36:00] d3ity: is there anything else i need to modprobe besides ivtv
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[18:37:00] dagfinnr: lirc d3ity
[18:37:00] sphing: d3ity: lsmod and make sure it the modprobe worked
[18:37:00] Beirdo: sphing: you could still do it, but it would get messy real fast
[18:37:00] sphing: then check dmesg and /var/log/messages for errors
[18:38:00] sphing: Beirdo: yea, between my pentium-m, p3, centrino and celeron
[18:38:00] sphing: and c3
[18:38:00] sphing: - centrino
[18:38:00] Beirdo: eek
[18:38:00] Beirdo: yeah that would get messy
[18:38:00] xris: dagfinnr: apt-get install shorewall
[18:39:00] xris: really easy to use firewall config
[18:39:00] Beirdo: if ya wanna do it, sphing, I hope you like writing Makefile s;)
[18:39:00] xris: dagfinnr: don't do it unless you have 30 mins or so to read the docs
[18:39:00] xris: just in case... (usually takes 15 or so to set it up)
[18:39:00] dagfinnr: im not in that network now..so ive gotta do it later..hehe
[18:40:00] dagfinnr: just in case i fuck something up
[18:40:00] Coume: erm, anyone able to access mythtv.org? or is the site down due to the wiki being too busy?
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[18:42:00] xris: dagfinnr: a smart thing to do
[18:42:00] Beirdo: looks like there's a redirection error
[18:44:00] xris: ok, sysops alerted
[18:44:00] Beirdo: I had that once when I buggered my rewrite rules
[18:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:44:00] Beirdo: that was so fun
[18:45:00] d3ity: anybody? card isnt bieng detected by mythtv-setup
[18:45:00] Beirdo: to get awstats working and visible externally on a vhost that was proxied in apache to elsewhere
[18:45:00] Beirdo: it was fun
[18:45:00] Coume: lol Beirdo
[18:45:00] Beirdo: but I got it working
[18:45:00] d3ity: hauppage pvr 150
[18:45:00] Beirdo: and then I had to fix it INTERNALLY again :)
[18:46:00] Beirdo: the fun of split DNS
[18:46:00] Coume: out of curiosity does anyone know on which type or server rely mythtv.org??
[18:46:00] Coume: *of
[18:46:00] xris: Coume: you mean which distro? I think it's debian
[18:46:00] Beirdo: argh
[18:47:00] ** Beirdo bashes his head **
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[18:47:00] Beirdo: something broke awstats... again
[18:47:00] xris: ick
[18:47:00] kormoc: Coume, why don't you just look it up on netcraft?
[18:47:00] ** Beirdo gives his home server the finger **
[18:47:00] Beirdo: last run Christmas
[18:47:00] Coume: xris, nop the hardware behind it.
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[18:48:00] xris: no clue there
[18:48:00] Beirdo: Setup ('/etc/awstats/awstats.www2.beirdo.ca.conf' file, web server or permissions) may be wrong.
[18:48:00] Beirdo: grrrrr
[18:48:00] xris: something beefy since it handles slashdotting like a breeze
[18:49:00] Beirdo: WTF?
[18:49:00] Beirdo: why are all the apache logs owned by root:root now?
[18:49:00] Coume: but having the wiki there might be quite hard on the DB side :(
[18:49:00] sphing_: Beirdo: got haxed
[18:49:00] Beirdo: no
[18:49:00] sphing_: ..sure
[18:49:00] sphing_: one word: rootkit
[18:50:00] xris: Coume: which wiki?
[18:50:00] Coume: thxs for the link kormoc , never heard of it before :)
[18:50:00] Beirdo: rootkits don't mess with custom apache log files
[18:50:00] Beirdo: nice try
[18:50:00] Coume: xris, wiki.mythtv.org
[18:50:00] sphing_: no, but the user who logs in and tries to remove the evidence dos
[18:50:00] xris: Coume: didn't know it was up yet
[18:50:00] kormoc: Beirdo, sure they do, but they screw up the log files, thus breaking your stats rather then hiding their tracks
[18:51:00] Beirdo: no they don't
[18:51:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:51:00] Beirdo: this was a simple perms issue
[18:51:00] Beirdo: /var/log/apache2 was 700 root:root
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[18:51:00] Beirdo: some joker fucked it up in an apache upgrade
[18:51:00] Coume: xris, laga told me about it earlier... I manage to had a look for work but now nothing... I hope their server will handle the charge on the DB side :(
[18:52:00] Beirdo: that was when I upgraded the machine from hoary to breezy
[18:52:00] Beirdo: oops
[18:52:00] xris: shouldn't be any worse than anything else.
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[18:54:00] neuro|laptop: Coume: mediawiki isn't that hard on a well-maintained rdbms
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[18:54:00] Coume: neuro|laptop, would you say less ressource eating than a forum?
[18:54:00] _willcooke_: Hi guys, before I write something to do it, has anyone got a program to move recordings from one backend to another?
[18:54:00] neuro|laptop: yup
[18:55:00] neuro|laptop: sorry, Coume: yup
[18:55:00] neuro|laptop: _willcooke_: no idea :)
[18:55:00] _willcooke_: :)
[18:55:00] Coume: neuro|laptop, cos, I was surprise of the amount of ressource needed (DB side) by a forum....
[18:56:00] Beirdo: it can't be much worse than mythtv :)
[18:56:00] neuro|laptop: depends on the forum
[18:56:00] neuro|laptop: Beirdo: :)
[18:56:00] Beirdo: we get tons of database activity from myth :)
[18:57:00] Coume: yeah, that's why ... a very activities now I bet but adding the wiki, with thousands of users a day, bring a DB activities to an even higher level...
[18:57:00] Beirdo: also, mediawiki has provisions for db caching
[18:57:00] Beirdo: as wikipedia *requires* that
[18:57:00] Coume: but I'm sure everything will be more than fine on the mythtv.org
[18:59:00] neuro|laptop: ok, where the chuff do i tell a mythtvfrontend to use a backend on another box? :)
[19:00:00] kormoc: neuro|laptop, under settings?
[19:00:00] neuro|laptop: you'd think that
[19:00:00] neuro|laptop: unless i'm just not seeing it
[19:00:00] Beirdo: you point it at the backend when you setup the DB
[19:01:00] Beirdo: it will always use the master backend as defined in the DB (I believe)
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[19:01:00] kormoc: I thought it was under mythtv-settings.
[19:01:00] kormoc: yeah
[19:01:00] neuro|laptop: tried that
[19:01:00] neuro|laptop: unless ...
[19:01:00] neuro|laptop: my backend is set to talk to localhost
[19:01:00] kormoc: that would do it
[19:01:00] neuro|laptop: the frontend must be picking that up and trying to talk to itself
[19:01:00] neuro|laptop: doh
[19:02:00] Juski: evening
[19:02:00] neuro|laptop: hey Juski
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[19:02:00] neuro|laptop: hmm, very weird seeing mythtv-setup on my doze laptop :)
[19:03:00] ** neuro|laptop hugs x forwarding **
[19:04:00] neuro|laptop: cool, let's try this again
[19:04:00] Juski: got a quick question about LIRC... is there a way to get IR keypresses to repeat after a key has been pressed down a certain length of time? I've fiddled with the 'repeat' parameter (decreased it) but all that results in is keys being detected twice or more on a single short press.. any ideas? scrolling thru big lists is _very_ tedious right now
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[19:09:00] Juski: ahhh.. seems there's a 'delay' function, which can be used in conjunction with 'repeat' to do just that
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[19:18:00] Beirdo: lirc--
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[19:19:00] paq: is mythtv.org down or is it a problem with my internet connection?
[19:20:00] praet: paq: i have it down as well
[19:20:00] praet: Connection refused
[19:20:00] paq: dang :(
[19:20:00] paq: yup same here
[19:21:00] praet: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:gxOnX-OX . . . /+&hl=en
[19:21:00] Beirdo: it's being worked on
[19:21:00] praet: thx Beirdo
[19:21:00] Beirdo: we reported it to the powers that be, and they are looking into the issue :)
[19:21:00] praet: heh. anything we can do to help :)
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[19:29:00] neuro|laptop: site's back
[19:29:00] neuro|laptop: wiki still down
[19:29:00] neuro|laptop: chutt's looking into it
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[19:53:00] juergbi: hi. i've got the same problem as reported in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/946
[19:53:00] juergbi: i.e. "mysql server has gone away" with mysql 5
[19:53:00] juergbi: although mysql server itself works fine, only mythbackend has problems
[19:53:00] Filip^: downgrade to 4...
[19:53:00] Filip^: they don't play nice
[19:54:00] juergbi: is it really a mysql server bug?
[19:54:00] juergbi: i somehow doubt it as it works fine with all other applications
[19:54:00] Filip^: it's not really a bug, it's just that myth isn't ready
[19:55:00] Filip^: yet
[19:55:00] xris: juergbi: install mysql compat libs and recompile myth?
[19:55:00] juergbi: xris: it has been compiled with that mysql version, that's not the problem
[19:55:00] Filip^: has to do with an additional table used for advanced mysql5 permissions that is named the same as a table myth uses (I think; hardly an expert)
[19:55:00] juergbi: it's not like it doesn't work at all, it just periodically stops working with the posted error message
[19:56:00] xris: Filip^: that shouldn't matter.. different database
[19:56:00] juergbi: i'm using mythtv svn trunk, that has been fixed there, iirc
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[19:58:00] juergbi: i just don't under why the bug has been closed as wontfix "not a mythtv bug"
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[19:58:00] Filip^: xris: are you sure, that's what GreyFoxx told me last time (IIRC, of course)
[19:58:00] juergbi: i doubt it's a mysql bug, so whose bug is it then, qt?
[19:59:00] Filip^: is this channel logged? then I can look it up
[19:59:00] Beirdo: MythLogBot: help
[19:59:00] Beirdo: duh
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[20:01:00] Filip^: Beirdo: how can I ask him to find a conversation that includes both me and mysql 5?
[20:01:00] Beirdo: google?
[20:02:00] Beirdo: google does spider the logs
[20:02:00] Beirdo: I should put a local search on there after I redo it
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[20:02:00] Filip^: ah, thanks
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[20:04:00] Juski: dammit there's not enough light in here to be able to solder.. grr
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[20:06:00] Filip^: I can't find it... Now I'm worried I might have imagined the entire conversation...
[20:07:00] juergbi: Filip^: i've found something in http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/index.php?date=2005-11-26
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[20:11:00] Filip^: Here it is, from the gentoo mythtv wiki (hope it doesn't flood)
[20:11:00] Filip^: Note: If you end up with MySQL5 and plan on using zap2it you will need to rebuild MythTV. MySQL5 introduced a command called REPEAT which confilts with the repeat field in the channel database. This has already been fixed in the MythTV svn repository. However it has not made its way into a portage build yet. You will need to edit "datadirect.cpp" and change any SQL query things from "repeat",":REPEAT","repeat bool" to "isrepeat",":ISREPEAT","isrep
[20:12:00] Filip^: So it wasn't a conversation after all.
[20:12:00] juergbi: Filip^: thx for looking this up. unfortunately that's not my problem. i'm using mythtv svn and don't use zap2it...
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[20:13:00] Filip^: zap2it doesn';t matter, I think. But svn does
[20:13:00] Filip^: afk now
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[20:21:00] mxn: hello
[20:22:00] Juski: hi mxn
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[20:27:00] Guyfromhe: znoG: I am now
[20:27:00] Guyfromhe: znoG: I realize it's a bit late but here i am
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[20:37:00] d3ity: hey all
[20:37:00] d3ity: I'm trying to get mythtv working, but i can't get my capture card to show up in the setup
[20:38:00] Chutt: juergbi, i've confirmed that mysql 5 indeed has a problem that will cause what you're seeing.
[20:38:00] d3ity: can you guys help me out with that? I installed the drivers from ivtv...modprobed ivtv, and i can't get it to show up
[20:39:00] d3ity: anyone care to help me out?
[20:39:00] ** d3ity pokes the 173 denizens **
[20:39:00] juergbi: Chutt: thx. i've just read that optimizing the tables should help
[20:39:00] d3ity: sorry i'm in a slight hurry, i've got an hour till my next class
[20:39:00] juergbi: Chacabaou: do you know the real cause of the propblem or have you only seen the symptoms?
[20:39:00] Chutt: only seen the symptoms
[20:39:00] juergbi: sorry Chacabaou, I meant Chutt
[20:40:00] Chutt: since the exact same thing was breaking the wiki on mythtv.org
[20:40:00] Chutt: certain queries would cause the connection to die every single time they were run
[20:40:00] Chutt: retrying the connection didn't help
[20:40:00] juergbi: oh, so indeed a mysql problem
[20:40:00] Chutt: yes
[20:40:00] Chutt: a fairly serious one, i'd say.
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: inwhat kind of query would cause it ?
[20:40:00] Chutt: select page_id from page where page_namespace = '0' and page_title = 'Main_Page';
[20:41:00] Chutt: that was the query in mediawiki that was killing it
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: weird
[20:41:00] Chutt: 'page' is a simple table, too
[20:41:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, i installed the ivtv driver.
[20:41:00] Chutt: and only has 2000 entries.
[20:41:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, as usual, it didn't JustWork(tm)
[20:42:00] d3ity: i modprobed ivtv, and it still hasn't shown up, any further advice?
[20:42:00] Chutt: juergbi, that's a 'mysqlcheck -o <databasename>'
[20:42:00] d3ity: if theres anything i need to modprobe
[20:42:00] Chutt: note that doing a repair, or just a normal check reports everything is fine.
[20:43:00] Juski: d3ity: you been following the ivtv howto?
[20:43:00] juergbi: Chutt: i've just done that, let's see whether it helps here too
[20:43:00] d3ity: Juski, followed it to the letter
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: d3ity: My first suggestion would to look at the kernel log for errors
[20:43:00] Chutt: other than that, i'd just downgrade to mysql 4.x
[20:43:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, /var/log/messages then
[20:43:00] Chutt: it actually works mostly =)
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: only if that is logging kernel messages
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: otherwise "dmesg" would do it
[20:43:00] juergbi: ;)
[20:43:00] Juski: d3ity: sometimes with how-to guides you need to know how & when to read between the lines
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[20:45:00] eiggirC: my frontend was all in mono – turns out something had died with the x server, and it needed restarting.
[20:45:00] d3ity: Juski, care to help me go through it again?
[20:45:00] Juski: d3ity: been compiling it from source?
[20:45:00] d3ity: Juski, yes, on slackware 10.2
[20:45:00] Juski: what kernel?
[20:46:00] d3ity: 2.6.14.3
[20:46:00] Juski: I'll assume you have the kernel source & headers.. that right?
[20:46:00] d3ity: Juski, yep, all here
[20:46:00] Juski: no errors when you compiled it?
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: have you actually looked at the kernel log to see what it said ?
[20:46:00] d3ity: Juski, nope, all clean
[20:46:00] d3ity: GreyFoxx, i checked messages, didn't see anything
[20:46:00] Juski: do a modprobe ivtv
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: dude, I told you dmesg
[20:47:00] Juski: then dmesg |grep ivtv
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: you can't assume that everything gets logged to messages
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: but all klog messages can be accessed (if only breifly) from dmesg
[20:48:00] d3ity: hey! an error.
[20:48:00] d3ity: Error -3 initializing firmware
[20:48:00] Juski: what flavour error is it?
[20:48:00] d3ity: guess it cant find it
[20:48:00] Juski: hmmm
[20:49:00] Juski: you need to find out where hotplug wants it
[20:49:00] d3ity: Juski, I thought i did
[20:49:00] d3ity: slackware wants it in /lib/firmware from what i could tell
[20:49:00] Juski: erm.. won't that be /lib/firmware/ivtv ?
[20:50:00] Juski: only did this yesterday & I've already forgotten :-/
[20:50:00] d3ity: Juski, it wants its own directory?
[20:50:00] Juski: not sure
[20:50:00] Juski: not got my box powered on at the mo
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[20:51:00] Juski: did you copy _all_ the firmware files in there?
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[20:51:00] d3ity: Juski, as far as i could tell i did
[20:51:00] Juski: are you running hotplug?
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[20:51:00] d3ity: Juski, yep
[20:51:00] d3ity: hotplug is running
[20:52:00] Juski: is the firmware the right filename for the version of ivtv you want to use?
[20:53:00] d3ity: yes. 0.4.1...going through the howto again now
[20:53:00] Juski: as in v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw for 0.4.1
[20:53:00] Juski: there's another firmware file I think, for the PVR150
[20:54:00] Juski: v4l-cx25840.fw iirc
[20:55:00] d3ity: well, thats the card i have
[20:55:00] d3ity: just did the first step
[20:55:00] d3ity: moving to step 2
[20:55:00] Juski: did make install copy the modules to the right location? didn't do that on mine
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[20:56:00] d3ity: Juski, i dont know
[20:56:00] Juski: ok.. worry about that later ;)
[20:56:00] d3ity: ok, now it refers to a diffrent directory
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[20:56:00] d3ity: its referring to /lib/modules in step 2
[20:56:00] d3ity: should i change that to /lib/firmware like the others?
[20:57:00] Juski: no no no no
[20:57:00] d3ity: so that needs to be in /lib/modules
[20:57:00] Juski: /lib/modules is where the kernel modules live
[20:57:00] d3ity: right, thought so
[20:57:00] Juski: /lib/firmware is where the firmware goes
[20:57:00] d3ity: rm /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[20:57:00] d3ity: thats what its telling me to do
[20:57:00] d3ity: shalt i go ahead with that?
[20:57:00] Juski: ?
[20:58:00] d3ity: step 2...http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[20:58:00] Juski: but the pvr150 doesn't have an mpeg decoder
[20:58:00] d3ity: two files are redundant...blah....dealing with ivtv 0.4.0 or earlier just overwrote our existing /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin... clean up redundant...
[20:59:00] redline-: Juski ...
[20:59:00] d3ity: If you have ivtv 0.4.1 or later, you also need to move the decoder firmware file to the correct place, and clean up the redundant ivtv-fw-enc.bin:
[20:59:00] d3ity: so remove that.
[20:59:00] redline-: do you have optical audio working for all your sound on your myth box?
[20:59:00] d3ity: correct?
[20:59:00] Juski: optical? no.. coaxial digital
[20:59:00] redline-: does that work for all sound?
[20:59:00] Juski: d3ity: that's what the guide says
[20:59:00] Juski: redline-: yep
[21:00:00] redline-: i got optical to work for mplayer only
[21:00:00] Juski: don't ask me about configuration because I use an all-in-one-everything-done-for-me distro called minimyth
[21:00:00] redline-: is there a specific setting for it?
[21:00:00] redline-: ahhh
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[21:01:00] redline-: gonna check that out
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[21:01:00] Guyfromhe: w00t
[21:01:00] Guyfromhe: socre'd 1 DB!
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[21:01:00] d3ity: ok, time to try the card
[21:02:00] Guyfromhe: anybody can try the card
[21:04:00] d3ity: got it :)
[21:04:00] d3ity: I think
[21:04:00] ** Juski 's CAT5 video sender/receiver is almost done **
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[21:04:00] d3ity: nope...mythtv wont let me watch TV yet
[21:04:00] d3ity: although i think its starting to like the card
[21:04:00] d3ity: as cat produces things
[21:05:00] Guyfromhe: aww
[21:05:00] Juski: d3ity: is your pvr150 the only card?
[21:05:00] Guyfromhe: I have a pvr150 and a 350
[21:06:00] d3ity: Juski, yes, only tv tuner
[21:06:00] Gr0mit_home: hig guys....why qt packages do I require for Debian in order to compile? I have been searching for ages....I run mythtv-setup and I get the error QMYSQL3 driver not loaded. Goole etc has not assisted...
[21:06:00] Juski: qt3-mysql
[21:06:00] d3ity: ok, input connections question
[21:06:00] Gr0mit_home: thanks Juski
[21:06:00] d3ity: Tuner is the option for the coax input right?
[21:06:00] Chutt: generally.
[21:06:00] Juski: yes, d3ity
[21:07:00] Juski: though Chutt's answer was more correct
[21:07:00] Guyfromhe: yup
[21:07:00] d3ity: ok, video source: (none)
[21:07:00] Juski: can't always be taken for granted that the inputs are labelled correctly ;)
[21:07:00] Gr0mit_home: Juski – apt-get can't locate this file
[21:07:00] Beirdo: so apt-cache search mysql | grep qt
[21:07:00] Juski: libqt3-mysql ?
[21:07:00] Beirdo: jeez
[21:07:00] ** Gr0mit_home lloks... **
[21:07:00] Juski: or something like that
[21:08:00] d3ity: so is that ok? that it says /dev/video0 (Tuner) -> (None)
[21:08:00] Juski: d3ity: assign a 'video source' (i.e. source of tv listing data' to it
[21:08:00] d3ity: ok
[21:09:00] d3ity: ok, um...whenever i hit enter when i have the box selected...it just goes back
[21:09:00] Juski: but before you even bother with mythtv-setup, you should _really_ be trying out the card
[21:09:00] Juski: cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg
[21:09:00] d3ity: Juski, cat /dev/video0 gave the appearance that the card is getting data
[21:09:00] Gr0mit_home: I see libqt3c102-mt-mysql – is this the one I need?
[21:09:00] d3ity: Juski, ok, its running that cat command
[21:10:00] d3ity: and...sitting.
[21:10:00] Juski: after a while.. hit CTRL C
[21:10:00] d3ity: ok
[21:10:00] Juski: then try to play test.mpg in something like mplayer or VLC
[21:10:00] Beirdo: Gr0mit_home: looks like it's worth a try
[21:11:00] Guyfromhe: what do you get?
[21:11:00] Gr0mit_home: ok – do I need to compile with this in place? (please forgive dumb questions)
[21:12:00] d3ity: its working
[21:12:00] Gr0mit_home: coz I already installed this but still get the errors when I run mythtv-setup
[21:12:00] Juski: d3ity: how you doin there?
[21:12:00] d3ity: Juski, ok, the card indeed works, I got a test.mpg of judge joe brown....
[21:13:00] d3ity: now... All i need is to get mythtv to accept channel listings and whathaveyou
[21:13:00] Juski: d3ity: wicked.. proceed :)
[21:13:00] d3ity: Juski, quick one, does xmltv need to be installed even with the zapdirect thingy?
[21:13:00] Guyfromhe: judge joe is on?
[21:13:00] Guyfromhe: w00t
[21:13:00] Juski: wtf is Judge Joe?
[21:13:00] d3ity: Guyfromhe, hehe
[21:13:00] Guyfromhe: like judge judy
[21:13:00] d3ity: Juski, white trash TV
[21:13:00] Juski: d3ity: I'd imagine so
[21:13:00] Guyfromhe: but a knockoff
[21:14:00] Guyfromhe: a cheap knockoff
[21:14:00] Beirdo: umm
[21:14:00] Gr0mit_home: Beirdo – do I need to recompile the whole thing again?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: I think he was doing it before she was
[21:14:00] Juski: the words 'white' 'trash' and 'tv' are kind of synonymous anyway
[21:14:00] d3ity: Juski, so i need xmltv? joy...it failed to compile for me
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[21:14:00] Guyfromhe: it's not on for another 45 mins
[21:14:00] d3ity: shall we fix this problem?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: I dunno, Gr0mit_home. if it compiled, you likely have all you need
[21:14:00] Juski: d3ity: what distro you running?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: otherwise you'd get compile errors, no?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[21:14:00] Gr0mit_home: Beirdo – it all compiled.
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[21:14:00] Gr0mit_home: eventually.
[21:15:00] Juski: I've had countless problems with xmltv compiling on gentoo in the past – broken dependencies & stuff
[21:15:00] d3ity: Juski, slack 10.2
[21:15:00] Gr0mit_home: I needed to tweak all the makefiles to add -lqt and -lqui
[21:15:00] Beirdo: you shouldn't have needed to tweak squat
[21:15:00] Gr0mit_home: I think the configure script did not run correctly
[21:15:00] Juski: d3ity: no binaries for that?
[21:16:00] Beirdo: if the script doesn't run right, STOP and get it working
[21:16:00] d3ity: Juski, it says here
[21:16:00] d3ity: If you are in North America you will use the DataDirect grabber which is built-in to MythTV. You do not need to install XMLTV (so you may skip XMLTV-related instructions), but you need wget version 1.9.1 or higher
[21:16:00] Gr0mit_home: well the script ran, and it started the compile
[21:16:00] Juski: d3ity: you're off the hook then
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[21:16:00] d3ity: Juski, so then why doesnt it seem to like to work
[21:16:00] Gr0mit_home: but then as soon as it started looking for qt libraries it bombed out
[21:17:00] d3ity: and why doesnt it want my channel listings
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[21:17:00] d3ity: i got class in 15 mins...damn
[21:17:00] d3ity: gonna run outta time.
[21:17:00] Juski: d3ity: do you have a subscription to datadirect?
[21:17:00] Juski: d3ity: don't rush.. mythtv is worth taking your time over ;)
[21:17:00] Guyfromhe: yeah
[21:17:00] Guyfromhe: it took me a month the first time
[21:17:00] d3ity: Juski, yes,
[21:17:00] d3ity: just wanna check something out
[21:17:00] d3ity: how do i delete some channel listings
[21:18:00] Juski: go to the channel editor, highlight a channel you want rid of & press D
[21:18:00] Gr0mit_home: frustrating thing is I had everything working on another box which died
[21:18:00] Beirdo: backups are a good thing :)
[21:18:00] Juski: or to remove them from the list they give you, I think you'd have to change your preferences on their site
[21:18:00] Gr0mit_home: and am having major hassles now re-installing....
[21:19:00] Guyfromhe: weird
[21:19:00] Guyfromhe: I got mine up and running in about 10 hrs
[21:19:00] d3ity: ok, got the channel listing selected
[21:19:00] d3ity: i can record stuff from TV using cat
[21:19:00] d3ity: but...i cannot seem to get mythtv's watch tv thing to work
[21:19:00] d3ity: ugh
[21:19:00] Juski: d3ity: one thing at a time
[21:20:00] Juski: go to your class & concentrate on that.. it's good to have a break
[21:20:00] Guyfromhe: i was suprised my second tuner started working without much hastle
[21:20:00] d3ity: Juski, but...but...
[21:20:00] d3ity: i'm soooo close
[21:20:00] Guyfromhe: skip class and fix your mythbox then
[21:20:00] Juski: lol
[21:21:00] d3ity: Guyfromhe, its the first day of class...
[21:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:21:00] Guyfromhe: thats the best day to skip
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[21:21:00] Guyfromhe: nothing ever happens on the first day
[21:21:00] d3ity: Guyfromhe, trust me, i know
[21:22:00] d3ity: but yeah, i'll fix that when i get back i suppose. See you all at 5:45 PM
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: tyhen why bother going?
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: ok then
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: have fun
[21:22:00] d3ity: because, if i dont go now
[21:22:00] d3ity: and i get mythtv working
[21:22:00] d3ity: i wont ever go
[21:22:00] d3ity: mythtv will control my life
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: why?
[21:22:00] d3ity: forever.
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: thats the whole point of myth
[21:22:00] d3ity: i know
[21:22:00] Guyfromhe: you can do things and tv won't get in the way
[21:22:00] ThomsonC3_: hi
[21:22:00] d3ity: so i'd like to get something beforehand
[21:22:00] Juski: be gone already.. this can wait til later
[21:23:00] dagfinnr: hello. is it possible to install mythweb on a machine, and everything else on another pc? (both pcs in lan of course)
[21:23:00] Juski: it took me a long time to make up all the wasted time I had in my college days
[21:24:00] laga: nothing ever happens on the first day? i pissed off lots of people had two class tests returned. that's not nothing
[21:24:00] ThomsonC3_: i cant change channels on mythtv, its always on the last channel i watched with my tv viewer program, any ideas?
[21:24:00] Juski: d3ity: bloody hell – you got your tuner working in the space of a few minutes... more than some visitor can in a whole weeks' worth of moaning ;)
[21:24:00] ThomsonC3_: ive tried restartin the backend, and repopulating the database
[21:25:00] ThomsonC3_: but no luck
[21:25:00] Guyfromhe: do you have a source selected for the tuner?
[21:25:00] Guyfromhe: that ALWAYS gets me
[21:25:00] Juski: ThomsonC3_: standard question time.. any of your channels in mythtv have frequency ID entries?
[21:26:00] ThomsonC3_: yes, i have programmed the frequncies with mythtvsetup
[21:26:00] Juski: laga: hi btw :)
[21:26:00] Guyfromhe: i like constantly forget to select the source and sit there pulling my hair out then I realize what an idiot i am
[21:26:00] ThomsonC3_: i set both frequencies and finetunning with settings from my tv viewer
[21:26:00] laga: Juski: heya Juski :)
[21:27:00] laga: Juski: saw my posting in the lounge?
[21:27:00] ** Juski is just about to blow up the video output of his xbox **
[21:27:00] Juski: laga: no?
[21:27:00] ** Juski looks **
[21:27:00] laga: Juski: k, just checking. i'm still quite annoyed :)
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[21:28:00] Juski: laga: aye – they did gone steal our thunder :(
[21:28:00] laga: Juski: make sense, please? :)
[21:29:00] Juski: they've nicked our idea!
[21:29:00] laga: Juski: what idea?
[21:29:00] laga: Juski: look in the sticky thread, dammit ;)
[21:29:00] Juski: ahh
[21:30:00] Juski: yogi made a boo-boo? ;)
[21:30:00] laga: hehe
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[21:31:00] Juski: there's gonna be a raft of that kinda shit coming our way before too much longer, mark my words
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[21:32:00] laga: Juski: right. it's gonna be awesome. i was so annoyed today. i'd rather have worked on the wiki or something
[21:33:00] GreyFoxx: what sorta stuff?
[21:33:00] Juski: I was modding a similar thread, but didn't want to make it obvious like saying "post edited by moderator".. so I deleted the thread
[21:33:00] laga: GreyFoxx: jochen kuehner, softcams.
[21:33:00] Juski: ill-eagles
[21:33:00] laga: darn, i said it the bad word. sorry.
[21:33:00] GreyFoxx: ahh right
[21:33:00] Chutt: jochen's a moron
[21:34:00] Chutt: i wouldn't worry about anything he's doing :p
[21:34:00] Beirdo: jochen sounds like someone coughing up lunch
[21:34:00] ThomsonC3_: can anyone help with with my mythtv now changing channels?
[21:34:00] Juski: anyone who uses em are doing themselves a disservice as well as everybody else who pays for stuff
[21:34:00] GreyFoxx: laga: got a link?
[21:34:00] laga: Chutt: well, i don't want any letters from cable-co lawyers. ;)
[21:34:00] GreyFoxx: or jus the wiki wishlist ?
[21:35:00] laga: GreyFoxx: sorry, it's german only. but i can tell you what measures i took :)
[21:35:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[21:35:00] Juski: laga: the renaming was most amusing :)
[21:35:00] GreyFoxx: lemme guess, he doesn't understand why it's not officially supported ?
[21:35:00] laga: Action taken: I've edited his post and changed any occurance of 'softcam' to 'Gartenzwerg' (garden gnome). I will PM him to tell him he can consider himself warned. Maybe I will yell at him. Besides that, I will post some sarcastic remarks in his thread. I think I will yell at him there as well.
[21:36:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[21:36:00] Beirdo: nice
[21:36:00] laga: GreyFoxx: not sure, but dibblah got it right. "How many times are you going to ask the same question? "
[21:36:00] Beirdo: should change his description to Gartenzwerg
[21:36:00] laga: Beirdo: muhaha
[21:37:00] Juski: what I'm wondering is, what's the significance of that guy Jochen?
[21:37:00] Chutt: he keeps mucking up my wiki with misspelled words and bad grammar
[21:37:00] Juski: ah
[21:37:00] Beirdo: hehehe :)
[21:37:00] laga: Juski: well, he's an 'early adopter' of wiki.mythtv.org...made some great patches for mythgame as well.
[21:38:00] Chutt: 'great'?
[21:38:00] laga: Chutt: so? he does the same to mine!! just in a different language.
[21:38:00] Chutt: none of his patches went in
[21:38:00] laga: Chutt: i was being sarcastic.
[21:38:00] Chutt: ah
[21:38:00] Chutt: heh
[21:38:00] laga: i loved the patch that didn't do anything but add another menu entry
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: I am going to implement that feature, but the patch was just silly
[21:38:00] laga: hehe
[21:39:00] laga: BTW, he's offering other people to set up their myth boxen, IIRC :)
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[21:40:00] Beirdo: SPLaT1
[21:40:00] Juski: nice... pre-r00ted boxen
[21:40:00] laga: hehe
[21:40:00] Beirdo: "you must leave jochend running at all times"
[21:41:00] laga: rotfl
[21:41:00] laga: poor guy, actually.
[21:43:00] Beirdo: OK, I'm outta here
[21:43:00] Beirdo: screw you guys.... I'm going home
[21:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:43:00] laga: dito. cya tomorrow.
[21:43:00] Beirdo: that's actually what I usually tell my coworkers :)
[21:43:00] laga: s/home/to bed/ for me
[21:43:00] Beirdo: Cartmen rules
[21:43:00] laga: Beirdo: they must love you.
[21:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:43:00] Beirdo: "screw you... home.."
[21:43:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:44:00] Beirdo: you've never watched South Park?
[21:44:00] ** Juski 's fave episode is the one with Timmy & Jimmy **
[21:44:00] Beirdo: hahahah
[21:44:00] Beirdo: anyways, the evening is disappearing, I'm going hime
[21:44:00] Beirdo: home
[21:45:00] laga: Beirdo: only in german ;)
[21:46:00] laga: well, night people.
[21:46:00] Juski: night laga
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[21:47:00] Juski: okees.. just about time for the inaugural switch-on
[21:48:00] ThomsonC3_: Help, mythtv wont change channels and the backend gives me "CheckChannel failed" errors
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[21:52:00] ivor: oh dear. I can't help laughing at bruce markeys latest mail. does that make me a bad person?
[21:53:00] ThomsonC3_: hi
[21:53:00] ThomsonC3_: i think i have the freqid wrong
[21:53:00] ThomsonC3_: my freqid's are 110, 116 etc.
[21:53:00] ThomsonC3_: does this sound right?
[21:54:00] ThomsonC3_: should they be in a different format?
[21:54:00] Baylink: ivor: taxonomy of bullshit?
[21:55:00] ivor: Baylink: yup, "Could you please enumerate all the different ways you are full of shit so we can evolve a proper taxonomy"
[21:55:00] Baylink: :-)
[21:55:00] ivor: that's going in my quote file
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[22:13:00] nuxil: hello people
[22:13:00] nuxil: does anyone use a remotecontroll here? lircd wirh irxevent? i could use some help with it
[22:14:00] nuxil: i cant assign 2 key to/for an event
[22:15:00] nuxil: i have tyed with config = Key Alt_L+N $myapp or config = Key Alt_L-N $myapp
[22:15:00] nuxil: */or/and
[22:15:00] nuxil: last one only prints out letter n
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[22:16:00] nuxil: but if i use singel letter/key everything works fine... but i need to assign 2 keys
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[22:24:00] praet: theres a new digg frontpage article about mythtv
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[22:28:00] eiggirC: is it normal for transcoded recordings to be 480x480?
[22:28:00] eiggirC: I can't watch them on anything but mythtv cos the aspect ratio is all wrong
[22:28:00] xris: eiggirC: if you set your transcode profile that way, yes.
[22:29:00] eiggirC: I'm still getting to grips with myth
[22:29:00] xris: eiggirC: you can't watch them in anything but mythtv because they're modified nupplevideo files.
[22:29:00] eiggirC: xris: I have a PVR card so they're mpeg2 when first saved
[22:29:00] xris: eiggirC: but not after you transcode
[22:30:00] eiggirC: what resolution should I set them to be transcoded to ?
[22:30:00] xris: whatever you want
[22:30:00] eiggirC: and divx or xvid ?
[22:30:00] xris: huh? myth encodes to divx/mpeg4
[22:30:00] eiggirC: well its PAL here – 702x576 ?
[22:30:00] xris: eiggirC: whatever you want. the point of transcoding is to get smaller files.
[22:30:00] xris: personally, I don't transcode in myth... nuvexport -> xvid avi
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[22:32:00] eiggirC: okay
[22:33:00] eiggirC: 480x320 sounds like a good compromise
[22:33:00] xris: it's more about bitrate than frame size.
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[22:34:00] xris: 1000kbps is 1000kbps, whether it's 1920x1080 or 160x120
[22:34:00] dasOp: or use a viewer that handles a change of aspect ratio
[22:34:00] xris: only myth can play mythtv nuv files correctly
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[22:34:00] Azariah: I try to tun nuvexport within a php script from cron...I get TERM not set at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/nuv_export/shared_utils.pm any idea why?
[22:34:00] dasOp: xris: dsmyth?
[22:34:00] xris: dasOp: ok, good point. I don't use windows.
[22:35:00] dasOp: doesnt vlc handle nuv as well?
[22:35:00] xris: Azariah: probably because you're not running in a terminal.
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[22:35:00] xris: dasOp: mythtv doesn't use normal nub
[22:35:00] xris: nuv
[22:35:00] dasOp: I'm using dsmyth with media player classic and just force 4:3 aspect ratio
[22:35:00] Azariah: any workaround?
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[22:35:00] xris: Azariah: run it as `TERM=xterm nuvexport ...`
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[22:36:00] xris: and make sure you're running in full cli mode and not missing something that causes it to go interactive
[22:36:00] Azariah: it runs fine from a terminal by hand
[22:36:00] xris: because you have a terminal
[22:36:00] xris: cron doesn't have a terminal
[22:37:00] xris: Azariah: what line in shared_utils is the error on, though?
[22:38:00] Azariah: so my script copy the comflag list to cut list then convert to divx...Line 68
[22:38:00] xris: upgrade nuvexport. line 68 is a }
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[22:39:00] Azariah: nice -n 19 nuvexport --infile='$spath' --cutlist --path='$outputdir'";
[22:40:00] Azariah: change TERM=xterm nice -n 19 nuvexport --infile='$spath' --cutlist --path='$outputdir'";
[22:40:00] xris: and --cutlist doesn't copy the commflag list over.
[22:41:00] xris: Azariah: first, upgrade nuvexport.,
[22:41:00] Azariah: mythcommflag -f " . $spath . " --gencutlist
[22:41:00] defII: Im curious does the pvr-350 encode audio into the file it makes?
[22:41:00] xris: ah, separate script
[22:41:00] xris: defII: yes.
[22:42:00] defII: xris, sweet, think i solved my problem
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[22:51:00] EricL: Does anyone know what the apt lines should be so I can apt-get install mythtv, the dijkstra things that I googled for keep giving me a 404.
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[22:51:00] defII: If I dont compile frambuffer support in my kernel then the ivtv driver wont build the ivtv-fb module, right?
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[22:53:00] Beakster: please help, how do i find the frequencies for my analog channels?
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[22:57:00] d3ity: ok
[22:57:00] d3ity: i'm back
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[22:57:00] d3ity: who wants to help me continue my oddysee
[22:57:00] d3ity: i've got all the settings i can think of right
[22:57:00] d3ity: but...mythtv kinda just crashes when i try to watch TV
[22:58:00] d3ity: just blackscreen on both the TV and the monitor. TV flickers when i press the up button...ctrl-alt-backspace is the only way I can exit
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[23:00:00] d3ity: I have a PVR150, set in my caputure config as a standard v4l capture card
[23:00:00] d3ity: ivtv is working, and i can save a video through cat
[23:00:00] praet: d3ity: can you change channels? ivtv-tune
[23:01:00] d3ity: praet, yes
[23:02:00] praet: if you run mythfrontend from a terminal, is there any backtrace?
[23:03:00] d3ity: praet, couldnt tell you, I cant see that terminal as i have to exit X after i start mythfrontend and try to watch TV
[23:04:00] d3ity: praet, any suggestions as to why this may not be working properly?
[23:04:00] praet: after you exit frontend what is logged to the terminal?
[23:04:00] Juski: d3ity: you should set your capture card to be...
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[23:04:00] Juski: an MPEG card in mythtv-setup
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[23:05:00] d3ity: Juski, so set it as an MPEG card? for the PVR-150
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[23:05:00] Juski: because... (fanfare)... it's not a standard V4L capture card
[23:05:00] Juski: d3ity: yep
[23:05:00] d3ity: MPEG-2 Encoder card?
[23:05:00] Juski: so no wonder myth is crashing ;)
[23:05:00] Juski: that's the one, d3ity
[23:05:00] d3ity: ok cool
[23:06:00] d3ity: Just ran mythfrontend
[23:06:00] d3ity: hit watchtv
[23:06:00] d3ity: same...stuff
[23:07:00] Juski: d3ity: did you restart mythbackend?
[23:07:00] d3ity: restarting x
[23:07:00] d3ity: Juski, good point.
[23:07:00] Azariah: does myth backend stop?
[23:07:00] Juski: I think that should just about nail it
[23:07:00] Juski: restart = stop, then start it up again
[23:08:00] Azariah: askin if the service stop when mth crashed.
[23:08:00] Juski: Azariah: mythbackend can be stopped
[23:08:00] d3ity: working! albeit poorly.
[23:08:00] d3ity: choppy as hell.
[23:08:00] Juski: generally it's just the frontend that goes down
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[23:08:00] Juski: d3ity: choppy? like how?
[23:08:00] d3ity: well....got horizontal lines scrolling up the TV
[23:08:00] d3ity: slight delay on sound and video
[23:09:00] Juski: eew
[23:09:00] d3ity: yeah....
[23:09:00] Juski: d3ity: maybe you need to clear out all the previous settings
[23:09:00] d3ity: pretty sure its because i'm using software instead of gatos
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[23:09:00] Juski: ah.. ATI eh?
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[23:10:00] Juski: no sympathy from me for that I'm afraid... ATI is no good unless you use the newer cards that have linux drivers provided by ATI
[23:10:00] Juski: d3ity: what CPU do you have?
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[23:12:00] d3ity: Juski, Athlon XP 3000+
[23:12:00] d3ity: perhaps i should set the process to realtime
[23:12:00] EricL: Does anyone know where to get the debs for MythTV for Debian sarge?
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[23:13:00] Juski: d3ity: that should be _more than enough to decode mpeg2 without help
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[23:14:00] Kabutor: j #ogre3d
[23:14:00] Juski: d3ity: it's possible that your recording profile (for livetv) is screwed... it might still be set to record @ 480x480, which doesn't work (AFAIK) in the current ivtv driver
[23:14:00] Kabutor: ops sorry
[23:16:00] Juski: d3ity: quit out of livetv, but not out of mythfrontend.. go into utilities/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles & verify there's an entry there called Hardware MPEG encoders
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[23:22:00] Guyfromhe: d3ity: haev fun at class?
[23:25:00] Juski: d3ity: then when you've verified that, make sure the LiveTV & recording profiles (default etc) are set to 720x480 resolution. Because if they're not... you'll have problems with the video etc acting funny (afaik)
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[23:42:00] riddlebox: has anyone written their own app to add record times into myth?
[23:43:00] Guyfromhe: to do what?
[23:43:00] riddlebox: to record shows
[23:44:00] Guyfromhe: thats what mythtv does
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[23:44:00] riddlebox: yeah but I want to add another functionality to it, which I will have to write a script to add custom record times into myth
[23:44:00] Juski: riddlebox: wth?
[23:44:00] Guyfromhe: why not just use manual record option?
[23:45:00] Guyfromhe: manual sechedule
[23:45:00] fryfrog: what chu talkin bout willis?
[23:45:00] Juski: riddlebox: what exactly will you be doing?
[23:45:00] Guyfromhe: or if your really desperate to generate work for yourself you could manually insert it into the database
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[23:45:00] riddlebox: ok I want to use asterisk to call into my system which will have menus to setup record times and stations.
[23:45:00] fryfrog: you can already setup recordings based on shows and just setting specific times
[23:46:00] fryfrog: OHHHH
[23:46:00] fryfrog: you mean a phone based interface to myth
[23:46:00] Guyfromhe: that wouldn't be too hard
[23:46:00] fryfrog: christ, i hate to be a bastard but that would SUCK to do :)
[23:46:00] riddlebox: now I have found the mythconverg/record table, I have manually add stuff into it
[23:46:00] fryfrog: make a recording that points them to the URL of mythweb :)
[23:46:00] riddlebox: then did mythbackend --resched, but myth does not see the added time
[23:47:00] Juski: "to record Lost press 1. to record American Idol, press 2. To record..."
[23:47:00] fryfrog: if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball
[23:47:00] Balders: hah
[23:47:00] Guyfromhe: that actually sounds kinda like fun
[23:47:00] fryfrog: "please enter the starting date, or press * to use today
[23:47:00] Guyfromhe: I should do that
[23:47:00] fryfrog: "please enter a starting time
[23:47:00] Guyfromhe: you could use festival to read out the epg
[23:47:00] fryfrog: please enter an ending time
[23:47:00] riddlebox: that is exactly how I want to do it
[23:47:00] Guyfromhe: you could search
[23:47:00] fryfrog: please enter the channel
[23:48:00] fryfrog: it'd take for-FREAKING-ever to enter in anything
[23:48:00] riddlebox: but I cannot get myth to see the added in recordng stuff
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[23:48:00] Juski: riddlebox: a dodgy workaround could be to make a script parse through mythweb to schedule the recording
[23:48:00] fryfrog: "to hear all shows starting with the letter a,b,c press one
[23:48:00] Juski: riddlebox: yeah have a look in the mythweb code to see how it's done there
[23:48:00] fryfrog: "to record I love lucy, press 1...... to record Franks Dogpants 648" :)
[23:49:00] riddlebox: I did, but all it says is Save and reschedule
[23:49:00] Balders: hmmm asterix meets myth
[23:49:00] Balders: mytherix
[23:49:00] riddlebox: well if one of you guys does this now, let me know lol
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: i've got an asterisk server
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: several asterisk servers
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: and a t1
[23:50:00] Balders: well you are almost there!!
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: i am
[23:50:00] riddlebox: t1, wow I have asterisk and broadvoice
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: I just have to write all the code to do something like that
[23:50:00] Guyfromhe: it's not my t1 technically
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[23:51:00] Juski: riddlebox: did you also look in mythbackend.php?
[23:51:00] Balders: hey is it usuall for myth to stuff something up say 1 in 20 recordings?
[23:51:00] riddlebox: Juski:yes I did
[23:52:00] Guyfromhe: Balders: not mine
[23:52:00] Balders: i lose audio on the transcode to mpeg-4 on about 1 in 20
[23:52:00] Guyfromhe: oh i don't transcode
[23:52:00] Balders: ahh
[23:53:00] Balders: I had grand plans of being able to use the winmyth front end on some machine's so I go to mp4.. however the winmyth barely works at best and regularly crashes mythbackend.
[23:53:00] Balders: so I should probably give up on winmyth and not transcode..
[23:54:00] Guyfromhe: heh
[23:54:00] Guyfromhe: winmyth is awful
[23:54:00] kormoc: Balders, software or hardware tvcard?
[23:54:00] Balders: yep
[23:54:00] kyu_flux_: Balders: you can get winmyth to work?
[23:54:00] Juski: winmyth _is_ awful
[23:54:00] Balders: hw
[23:54:00] Balders: dvb
[23:54:00] Guyfromhe: terrible terrible
[23:54:00] kyu_flux_: I get some DSMyth error
[23:54:00] Guyfromhe: the xbox ver is ok
[23:54:00] Juski: dsmyth is cool though
[23:54:00] d3ity: god that video quality is crappy
[23:54:00] d3ity: and laggy
[23:54:00] Balders: dvico fusionhdtv
[23:55:00] d3ity: anybody care to help me get the gatos drivers working?
[23:55:00] Juski: d3ity did you read what I said?
[23:55:00] d3ity: Juski, sadly no, i must have missed it
[23:55:00] Juski: scroll up ^^^^
[23:55:00] Juski: d3ity: it's possible that your recording profile (for livetv) is screwed... it might still be set to record @ 480x480, which doesn't work (AFAIK) in the current ivtv driver
[23:55:00] kormoc: Balders, that's really odd, there are a lot of people who transcode just fine.
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[23:56:00] Juski: d3ity: quit out of livetv, but not out of mythfrontend.. go into utilities/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles & verify there's an entry there called Hardware MPEG encoders
[23:56:00] Juski: Balders: I've had some BBC recordings from my DVB setup not be able to be transcoded
[23:56:00] Balders: well transcode works most times, it is just the odd occassion where something glitches and then from that point on in the show / movie the audio is gone..
[23:57:00] Juski: d3ity: then when you've verified that, make sure the LiveTV & recording profiles (default etc) are set to 720x480 resolution. Because if they're not... you'll have problems with the video etc acting funny (afaik)
[23:57:00] d3ity: Juski, you nailed it on that, any other settings i should try?
[23:57:00] Balders: kyu_flux: kinda.. but it crashes the backend when you try to do to much
[23:58:00] Juski: d3ity: is your livetv profile set as 720x480?
[23:58:00] d3ity: yes
[23:58:00] Balders: is there any page somewhere on the net with a list of the bugfix / new features that are expected to be in the 0.19 rel?
[23:58:00] d3ity: now it is
[23:58:00] defII: on the pvr-350 the mpeg decoder is video16?
[23:58:00] d3ity: its still choppy.
[23:58:00] d3ity: reminds me of playing CS on dialup
[23:58:00] kyu_flux_: Balders: what version of mythtv-backend, winmyth and and the ds filters are you using?
[23:58:00] d3ity: gotta be video lag
[23:58:00] kormoc: Balders, look at the milestone at svn.mythtv.org
[23:58:00] Balders: 0.18.1 backend
[23:58:00] Juski: d3ity: did the mpeg you recorded using cat play back ok?
[23:59:00] Balders: kormoc: thanls will do..
[23:59:00] d3ity: Juski, yeah
[23:59:00] kyu_flux_: that's probably my problem – even though 0.18.2 is supposed to work fine
[23:59:00] d3ity: Juski, perfectly fine
[23:59:00] Juski: d3ity: hmmm
[23:59:00] Juski: are the nasty lines gone now though?
[23:59:00] d3ity: yes. nasty lines go bye bye.
[23:59:00] d3ity: now its just a little fuzzy.
[23:59:00] d3ity: kinda like dots everywhere

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