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Sunday, January 8th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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Rule:

Hello all. I cant get mythweb to work. Using latest svn I get

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Rule:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 22'

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Rule:

searched google etc, no clear solution found

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laga:

is your mythtv from svn as well?

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Rule:

yep

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Rule:

I read this http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2005-February/031637.html

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Rule:

which might be relevant

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Rule:

however it seems the mythweb conf.php has changed

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Rule:

I cant even find where to set db_host (or if theres a new name etc)

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laga:

there's a README included

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cesman:

it is in .htaccess

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Rule:

omg

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Rule:

that means changing the apache config then too, ok I will test

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jonK:

hello

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eiggirC:

*cry* it is possible to do video live on a palm over wireless ethernet! This is the proof! http://www.handmark.com/products/detail.php?id=593

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eiggirC:

now all we need is for someone to write the mythfrontend for palmos

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Juski:

this sed command looks interesting

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dasOp:

if you are using perl, you dont need sed :)

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jono:

heya

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Juski:

dasOp: I'm using bash now

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jonK:

yes, but then you'd have to be using perl

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Juski:

hiya jono

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jono:

hey Juski

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dasOp:

oh

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dasOp:

that sure is a step backwards

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rjune:

how goes it jono

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jono:

Juski, thanks for your post on my site :)

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jono:

hey rjune

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Juski:

np jono

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dasOp:

but since I missed it, what are you trying to do?

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jono:

Juski, which version of ivtv?

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jono:

Juski, and which dvb card and driver do you use?

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Juski:

right... I need a script to sift thru a text file, then do an http access with a string found as a resultof the search

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Juski:

jono: 4.1 and Leadtek lr6650 – it uses tveeprom too

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dasOp:

is the text file large?

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jonK:

awk

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Juski:

text file will be a bunch of numbers.. channel numbers.. followed by a string.. string is what I want passed into the URL

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Juski:

so I'll go ... script 135 ... it'll look for the line containing '135' then return the string, eg.. 12ef0200327

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Juski:

text file will be like 300 or so lines

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Juski:

kinda like a lookup table

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jonK:

anyone running 2.6.15?

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Rule:

yes

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jonK:

with the ivtv modules?

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Rule:

indeed

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dasOp:

juski: grep 135 myfile.txt | awk '{print $2-}' or some such

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jonK:

I'm building a new kernel now, anything special i should make sure to select?

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jonK:

awk

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Rule:

yes

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Rule:

the additional encoders bits

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Rule:

and bttv

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dasOp:

and I assume you'll be using curl for the http access

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Juski:

yep.. that bit's easy

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dasOp:

in perl you'd be using an LWP module

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jonK:

where is the bttv options?

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jonK:

i think i checked no to these something with bt8?? ?

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jono:

Juski, does it use the cx88 driver?

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Juski:

jono: yep

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jono:

Juski, interesting

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Juski:

all the DVB modules are just the bog standard kernel ones

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jono:

Juski, which distro?

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Juski:

buntu

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Juski:

breezy style

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jonK:

and... I'm thinking about rebuilding the backend machine completely

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jonK:

any suggestions for good board/cpu combo?

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jonK:

I have a athlon 2400 w/ a via chipset, and I think I have DMA problems

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Rule:

jonK: yeah the bt8x one

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jonK:

hmm... I'll have to recompile once it's done with the current run

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jonK:

i'm sure I excluded these

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jono:

Juski, very interesting :)

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jono:

ok, for those who are interested, I just posted my usability report findings at www.jonobacon.org

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jono:

also posted them to mythtv-dev

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GreyFoxx:

Cool. looks like the OpenGL VSync issue should be fixed in the next driver release

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GreyFoxx:

Did you write it based on SVN or on the 8month old 0.18 ?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: which will happen when? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Who knows :)

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jono:

GreyFoxx, 0.18

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jono:

good point, should have noted that

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jono:

arse

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laga:

GreyFoxx: right :/

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Juski:

heheh.. this just might work

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fir3st0rm:

good ht

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fir3st0rm:

good neight*

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Juski:

damn box.. why can't you just send it a ?zapto<channel number> rather than some obscure number?

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jono:

Juski, may need to pick your brains about the DVB thing – I should be able to get it to work :)

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laga:

night* ;)

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Juski:

night fir3st0rm

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Juski:

jono: no problem

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jono:

Juski, so letme get this right, you managed to get a cx88 and ivtv driver working together?

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Juski:

next I need a script to parse a webpage & make my textfile...

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Juski:

jono: yup

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jono:

Juski, do you have any module parameters?

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Juski:

jono: nope

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jono:

hmm

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jono:

and sound works ok in ivtv?

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jono:

maybe I need 0.4.1 then

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laga:

Juski: there are some tools out to do stuff to the dbox, might wanna check them out

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Juski:

laga: I'll stick with the good ole fashioned ways thanks.. I know what I'm doing this way ;)

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Rule:

jono: 0.4.1 uses the drivers in the kernel

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Rule:

you need a recent kernel though

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Juski:

Rule: nope

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Juski:

you got to build the drivers yourself.. they're not _in_ the kernel

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laga:

Juski: hehe

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Juski:

laga: there are things that I daren't mess about with, using the images I use

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laga:

hehe

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** laga currently messes with mythwiki.de **

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laga:

if you don't know any php, it's quite hard.

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Rule:

Juski: ok the chip drivers are, ivtv itself is still not

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laga:

i still don't know how to add meta tags to the html output. i found a function that does it, but it expects weird stuff.

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Rule:

I meant it reduces the conflicts between ivtv and kernel chip drivers

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Juski:

Rule: not quite.. make install still complained about needing to rename kernel modules

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Rule:

then you are not using 0.4.1 ?

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Juski:

[4294696.079000] ivtv: version 0.4.1 (tagged release) loading

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jonK:

so in addition to the kernel upgrade, if I'm not using ivtv > 4.1? ill need to upgrade ivtv"?

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Juski:

jono: just to confirm again.. both cards are happy happy joy joy :)

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Rule:

pvr:/usr/src/ivtv-0.4.1/driver# ls -al *.ko

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Rule:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 260010 2005-12–21 02:42 ivtv.ko

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Rule:

strange

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jono:

Rule, Juski cool :)

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Rule:

the only .ko buitl by ivtv is now ivtv.ko

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Juski:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

jono: You really should have done your doc against SVN, some of what you wrote no longer applies

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GreyFoxx:

like G1 for instance

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jono:

GreyFoxx, this is a user report and I didnt want to compile SVN – I am sure stuff is fixed, but I am sure there is still value in the report :)

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Rule:

just did a new make install... only ivtv.ko

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Juski:

Rule: read this http://pastebin.com/495786

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Juski:

it built those modules when I compiled it

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Juski:

so :-P

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Rule:

not here :/

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Rule:

wonder what is different

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Juski:

prolly config files

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Rule:

which ones :P

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Rule:

oh what kernel

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Juski:

or maybe you have everything built into the kernel

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Rule:

nope

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Juski:

in that case.... :-/

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Juski:

fuck it.. it works!

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Rule:

seriously, this is how Hans explained it

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v_thunder|out:

hey everyone. I'm having mythcommflag troubles

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v_thunder|out:

it seems to work fine on one frontend, but not the other

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v_thunder|out:

it says "Not Flagged" on the non-working one, when I hit q or z

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** Juski feels a bit thick.. needs to add 2 strings together **

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jcsmith:

juski: what is it that you're working on?

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Juski:

jcsmith.. a little script to do a lookup in a table, then access a URL with a result of the table lookup

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Juski:

I'll figure it out

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v_thunder|out:

hm.. anyone have any ideas about my comm flagging problem?

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dasOp:

juski: in bash? newvar="$var1$var2"

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Juski:

yeh I know that now thanks das0p

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Juski:

turns out the rest of my script isn't working as expected.. putting the result of a command into a variable

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i really should get registered with freenode again

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laga:

GreyFoxx: sorry, can't answer right now.

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v_thunder:

hrm

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Juski:

sorted

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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confusi0n:

hi, i wonder if someone could help me. i've downloaded the svn sources, installed and compiled, and im having trouble with running the mythtv-setup. it complains that Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist

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Juski:

oooo

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Juski:

./change 1 works

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Juski:

./change 2 works

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Juski:

(etc)

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Juski:

and no problems with leading chars confuddling it

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Juski:

thanks for your help folks

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Juski:

I did a program.. lol

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crouton:

howdy folks

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Juski:

howdy crouton.. stay away from my soup ;)

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confusi0n:

anyone?

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crouton:

i will, i'm researching the freezing job queue. :(

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: does it exist?

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Juski:

do the other tables exist?

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v_thunder:

does that database exist at all?

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: "mysqlshow"

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Scorp1us:

hellow all

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: see if mythconverg is listed

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Juski:

it's the busy hour, obviously

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Scorp1us:

is there a way to use mtd on another computer?

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: if it is, "mysqlshow mythconverg" – see if any tables are listed

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Scorp1us:

it seems to only use localhost?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: darn, sorry. overlooked that /invite. that's a sign that i should get some sleep, i guess :)

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laga:

night guys

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

night

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v_thunder:

night

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confusi0n:

v_thunder: thanks... a handful of tables are listed... ill pm you them

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v_thunder:

oh no

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v_thunder:

please don't

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v_thunder:

I really know nothing about mythtv

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Juski:

night laga

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v_thunder:

just trying to give helpful hints, is all

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confusi0n:

oops

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confusi0n:

sorry

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confusi0n:

lol

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crouton:

what window managers do you guys use?

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GreyFoxx:

I use IceWM on all my myth boxes

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: I am guessing the db wasn't created correctly

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: find out how to drop it and re-make it

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confusi0n:

k

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confusi0n:

ill give it a go

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v_thunder:

just my guess

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v_thunder:

I offer no warranty with my suggestion :P

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confusi0n:

lol aye

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crouton:

ugh

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crouton:

so mythtv-setup freezes in the 'Job Queue (Global) screen...

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confusi0n:

right done that, same happens again, but ive just noticed this error...

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confusi0n:

2006-01–08 02:02:44.567 DB Error (Performing database upgrade):

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confusi0n:

Query was: CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `jumppoints` ( `destination` varchar(128) NOT NULL default '', `description` varchar(255) default NULL, `keylist` varchar(32) default NULL, `hostname` varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', PRIMARY KEY (`destination`,`hostname`));

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confusi0n:

Error was: Driver error was [2/1071]:

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confusi0n:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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confusi0n:

Database error was:

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confusi0n:

Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes

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confusi0n:

(sorry for flood)

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crouton:

pastebin, yo

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GreyFoxx:

any reason the frontend can't do it ?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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confusi0n:

is mysql 5 supported by mythtv svn?

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: maybe your version of mysql doesn't like composite primary keys?

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: or it uses a different syntax for describing them

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crouton:

ooh. where do the mythtv-setup configurations get written to?

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v_thunder:

the database

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GreyFoxx:

crouton: All config is in the mysql database

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confusi0n:

v_thunder: maybe, i know nothing about sql though unfortunately :(

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crouton:

anybody know enough mysql code to help me display what's already present?

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v_thunder:

I don't know mysql

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v_thunder:

confusi0n: select

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v_thunder:

er.

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v_thunder:

crouton: select

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v_thunder:

e.g., select * from <table>;

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v_thunder:

(remember the semicolon)

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v_thunder:

that may be a huge list, so you'd want to limit it somehow

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v_thunder:

either:

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v_thunder:

select * from <table> where <conditions>;

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v_thunder:

and/or

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crouton:

i don't know any of the table names, though. how do i get a good list of those

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v_thunder:

select * from <table> limit <number of rows>;

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v_thunder:

crouton: from the shell, 'mysqlshow mythconverg'

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v_thunder:

I don't know how do it form the mysql shell

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v_thunder:

actually, I'd like to know. anyone know?

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v_thunder:

like \dt in postgres

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crouton:

i'm asking because everytime I get to the Job Queue screen, X freezes hard.

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v_thunder:

yow

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crouton:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . etup;#151339 has the same problem, no resolution.

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crouton:

I'm running blackbox, so maybe i'm missing a library.. but I can't find out what it is.

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v_thunder:

I haven't seen X freeze in a looong time

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crouton:

yeah, i'm slightly peeved

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crouton:

trying to figure out how to get the settings into the database anyway so I can move on

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crouton:

i really hope it doesn't create tables as it goes..

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v_thunder:

that's highly doubtful

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v_thunder:

I can't imagine writing a db schema that way

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v_thunder:

that'd be insane

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crouton:

i can't find any tables that seem to match the 'General' options.

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** v_thunder looks **

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crouton:

like where the recordings and buffer are stored.

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confusi0n:

shit

[02:08:00]

confusi0n:

i got it working

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confusi0n:

brb

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v_thunder:

select * from settings; returns a lot of rows

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crouton:

mine returns 7 rows

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v_thunder:

I can send you mine if you like, but I have 1400 rows :)

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v_thunder:

and you'll have to munge the hostnames and stuff

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crouton:

1400? oh dear

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v_thunder:

yeah, I have a few frontends on separate hosts

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v_thunder:

and I guess each one has about..

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** v_thunder checks **

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v_thunder:

~200 rows

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crouton:

i'm wondering if I just need to bite the bullet and install ubuntu proper, rather than the server version...

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crouton:

pretty sure this is a X library issue

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crouton:

oy.

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v_thunder:

if it's so flakey you can't even edit the settings

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v_thunder:

I'd guess it wouldn't do you much good even if you entered them manually

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crouton:

everything but that 'General' tab in mythtv-setup

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crouton:

and it dies as soon as I enter the 'Job Queue' page.

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crouton:

hmm... the settings are already pre-defined when I enter 'General' so it has to be pulling those values from somewhere

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v_thunder:

those might be defaults in the code

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v_thunder:

but I dunno

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v_thunder:

why am I giving any advice? I know squat about mythtv :P

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** v_thunder is just trying to figure out why commercial skipping only works from one host **

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** Juski writes another script **

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crouton:

hmm

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v_thunder:

$@!% os x mythfrontend won't run right from a terminal

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v_thunder:

so I can't really debug it

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crouton:

oh my. disabling renderaccel in xorg.conf lets me through.

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v_thunder:

heh

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** crouton scratches his head **

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crouton:

57 rows in table [settings], now.

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jcsmith:

hi all, i'm using a pvr150 and have played around with the 'live tv' recording profile, but still live tv quality is poor

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jcsmith:

especially things with lots of action tend to get blurrey

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jcsmith:

is this just the nature of the beast or is there a fix/workaround?

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Juski:

jcsmith: you need to deinterlace

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jcsmith:

juski: you are a geinus, i definitely could not have gotten this all put together with out all of the help you've given me over the past weeks, thanks a million for all of your help

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** Juski is hardly a genius **

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Juski:

but I'm glad the help is appreciated :)

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jcsmith:

i need to deinterlace even for a television?

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Juski:

jcsmith: except in special circumstances, yes

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jcsmith:

the "tooltip" below it makes it sound as if thats only for monitors

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Juski:

most graphics card tv encoders take progressive input & output it as interlaced...

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Juski:

interlaced modelines are _possible_, so you get proper interlaced TV out

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Juski:

but not all drivers & cards support interlaced modes, and not all TV encoders accept interlaced input

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Juski:

however if you have an RGB input on your TV it's possible to make a VGA-RGB adapter with some simple electronics.. in conjuction with a suitable modeline you get crystal clear, interlaced video on your TV :)

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jcsmith:

juski: wow, makes all the difference in the world, thanks again

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Juski:

know a way I can strip some text out of this line?

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jcsmith:

perhaps

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Juski:

<tr style="border-top: 2px solid #707070"><td colspan="2" class="a"> <a class="clist" href="switch.dbox2?zapto=81f020029b,">263. BBC ONE Wales</a> <a href="epg.dbox2?eventlist=81f020029b"><img src="../images/elist.gif" alt="Programme Guide " style="border: 0px" /></a></td></tr>

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jcsmith:

what is it you're wanting to strip?

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Juski:

I need to get BBC ONE Wales out of that

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jcsmith:

so if my tv has component (RGB) in, it'd be possible to go from VGA to that eaisly?

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Juski:

jcsmith.. relatively easy

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Juski:

component != rgb

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Juski:

component = colour difference signals... r-g g-b or something

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jcsmith:

oh

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jcsmith:

whoops

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Juski:

easy to convert RGB to component though

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Juski:

need 3 op-amps ;)

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jcsmith:

op-amps were about when i decided i was a cs major instead of a cs-ee dual major :-D

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Juski:

heh

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** Kelerion returns **

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Kelerion:

Juski.. how'd it go?

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Juski:

Kelerion: PVR150? working & co-habiting with my DVB card nicely ta

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Kelerion:

excellent.. not too much bother to setup?

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Juski:

nah

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Juski:

only issue I had was that I tested it ok in myth, when it was /dev/video1

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Juski:

but after making the ivtv module autoload, it appeared as /dev/video0.. naughty pixie

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

just on doing some bash scripts to mess about with strings

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Kelerion:

does the dvb card get installed under a /dev/dvb/xxx device?

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Juski:

yeh but since it has a video decoder onboard, that gets a /dev/video

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Kelerion:

ahh.. did you have to reconfigure the dvb card in myth then?

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Juski:

Kelerion: any good with string manipulation?

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Juski:

Kelerion: no.. dunno why

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Kelerion:

not with perl if thats what you mean

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Kelerion:

what you after?

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Juski:

<tr style="border-top: 2px solid #707070"><td colspan="2" class="a"> <a class="clist" href="switch.dbox2?zapto=12ef0200322,">131. BBC ONE England</a> <a href="epg.dbox2?eventlist=12ef0200322"><img src="../images/elist.gif" alt="Programme Guide " style="border: 0px" /></a></td></tr>

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Juski:

pull "BBC ONE England" out of that

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Kelerion:

if I was doing that in php I would find the str_pos of the 3rd ">" and the str_pos of the 4th "<" and substring inbetween

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jcsmith:

juski: cat test.txt | awk -F">" '{print $4}' | awk -F"<" '{print $1}' | awk -F"." '{print $2}'

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jcsmith:

where test.txt contains that line

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Juski:

jcsmith: cheers again.. owing you beers now

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Kelerion:

thats even nicer :)

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Juski:

oh yeh... -F being the seperator

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Juski:

ding!

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Beirdo:

oh jeez

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Beirdo:

man cut

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Beirdo:

awk is frigging overkill for that :)

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jcsmith:

Beirdo: ahh, cut, i knew there was another way, just couldn't pull it out of the brain

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redline-:

anyone having issues connecting to backend boxes with frontends?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

the cool thing with UNIX, there are like 101 ways to do the same thing :)

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redline-:

using mysql 4.1.14-log I had it working last night but now im getting a ton of unable to connect erros on my frontend box

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redline-:

i can mysql -d 10.1.1.210 -u mythtv -p and this works

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Beirdo:

you might need to upgrade the qt-mysql stuff

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redline-:

whtas that?

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Beirdo:

the mysql extensions for qt

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kcody:

anyone else had trouble with setuid root frontend?

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redline-:

emerge qt ... time to goto sleep

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kcody:

hiya Juski

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jcsmith:

kcody: why would you run the frontend setuid?

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kcody:

jcsmith: realtime scheudler priority

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kcody:

s/scheudler/scheduler/

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jcsmith:

ahh

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kcody:

it's not a pure myth box – i'm shooting for "real convergence", it's a full blown desktop box

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kcody:

but i set it chmod 4755, run it, and it acts like it's not setuid; ps aux shows it as user mythtv, and it gives the same warning about not being able to get RT

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Juski:

kcody: hiya kcody

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Juski:

kcody: there's a good section about that in the mythtv docs

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kcody:

Juski: where; web, sources, svn???

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Juski:

web

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v_thunder:

anyone know why I would be able to commercial-skip only from one host?

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v_thunder:

I've been trying to debug this for a while, I don't have any leads

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Juski:

v_thunder: what do you mean.. only one frontend will skip commercials?

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v_thunder:

in others, it says "Not Flagged"

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v_thunder:

when I press q/z

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Juski:

hrm...

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Juski:

dunno

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v_thunder:

yeah, it's bizarro

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v_thunder:

:(

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Kelerion:

anyone any ideas where I can start looking into why my plasma has horizontal banding (moving) under X? I've tried various modelines (but it could still be that) it happens on an X desktop (so OT for myth).. am I best to keep trying modelines?

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Juski:

jcsmith: sorry to be a hassle, but if I was then to extract the string following ?zapto= and the number preceding the dot... I've got grep 'href="switch' channellist.dbox2 | awk $1 '{print substr($10,39,4) substr($10,26,10)}' working but I'd like to pull it all together

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Juski:

Kelerion: sounds like mains hum

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jcsmith:

juski: brb phone is ringing

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Juski:

np

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Kelerion:

don't get it if I switch tv input back to Sky

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Juski:

Kelerion: I suspect a ground loop

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Juski:

pull the Sky box from the TV

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Kelerion:

ahh.. see what you mean.. one sec will try

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Kelerion:

nah.. thats not it.. nice idea though

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kcody:

Kelerion: how are you sending the signal from myth to the plasma?

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Kelerion:

pc input (dsub)

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Juski:

jcsmith: done it :)

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Juski:

Kelerion: is the plasma earthed?

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kcody:

Kelerion: are you -certain- that X is driving the display at its native hardware resolution?

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kcody:

Juski: if it wasn't he'd be seeing it on every analog input

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Juski:

oh yeah there's always the moire effect to consider

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Kelerion:

848x480.. yup

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kcody:

wtf?? that's hardware?

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Kelerion:

I don't see it all the time – just in certain scenes

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Kelerion:

thats it's native.. checked in the manual

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Juski:

Kelerion: check it with a monitor.. just to make sure it's not what's being captured

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kcody:

oh... wonder if you'd see it on a computer monitor as well then, i've got something odd coming over the cable line

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Kelerion:

it's not.. I can play it over the network and it looks perfect

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Juski:

ah

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kcody:

ok... what does the X startup grid look like?

[03:09:00]

kcody:

that was actually engineered to turn up analog monitor issues

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Juski:

another quickie.. how do you change the line length in bash?

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kcody:

Kelerion: has the issue -ever- shown up just working with the X desktop

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Kelerion:

kcody – always

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kcody:

oh? a gray solid would be a problem for it/

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kcody:

?

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kcody:

what's the sky coming in on, s-video?

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Juski:

grep 'href="switch' channellist.dbox2 | awk $1 '{print ":" substr($10,39,4) substr($10,26,10) " "$11 " " $12 " " $13}' | cut $1 -d "<" -f 1 >channels.txt ... ugly, innit?

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Kelerion:

I was thinking modelines because I ran a test this afternoon – booted from an ubuntu livecd.. it recognised everything fine.. but ran it at 1024x768.. it looks strange (pixels outta place on fonts etc) but there was no banding

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Kelerion:

kcody.. yup

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kcody:

describe the banding... one or two pixels wide? several wide? moves smoothly/jumpy? consistent/cyclical/random direction?

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kcody:

perfectly horizontal/diagonal?

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kcody:

this is sounding like moire

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kcody:

but i'm not sure yet

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Kelerion:

5/6inches thick.. moving downwards..

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Kelerion:

smoothly

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Juski:

always the same speed?

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Kelerion:

but can disappear on the next scene

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kcody:

Kelerion: vertical sync frequency is incorrect it seems

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

that sounds possible, kcody

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kcody:

remember that plasma is, in hardware, digital resolution and digital color depth

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kcody:

an analog cable means it has to do essentially the same processing to the RGB signal that a capture card does to the YCbCr

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kcody:

Kelerion: hopefully your specs have the right vsync in it

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Kelerion:

brb.. wanna check something

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** Kelerion goes to plug a dvi cable in **

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kcody:

definitely!

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hadees:

Can anyone recommend a wireless keyboard possibly with a built in mouse

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kcody:

hadees: i was pretty happy with the r/f wireless pair that came with my dell... older logitech model

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kcody:

i'd avoid i.r. keyboards/mice like the plague... too easy for your coffee to block the signal, and i don't want to think about how it might interact with a lirc receiver

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hadees:

kcody, do you have a model?

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kcody:

hadees: cordless itouch... but mine is a dell bundle, see what logitech has, look for radio frequency connection

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kcody:

Kelerion: did the cable make a difference?

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Kelerion:

back.. bugger

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kcody:

no luck?

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Kelerion:

not got a dvi cable.. have 3 monitors on my desktop.. all flatscreens.. thought one of them was dvi but it isn't.. it's vga with a vga-dvi converter going to the graphics card

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Kelerion:

nabbed the converter.. went to the tv but it won't plug into the back of the tv.. there's some extra pins on the side (near the flat bit)

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crouton:

hot diggity.. the mythbox rides again

[03:26:00]

Kelerion:

see this? http://www.cablestogo.com/resources/dvi.asp

[03:26:00]

Kelerion:

the end of the converter has the dvi type on the bottom

[03:26:00]

Kelerion:

the tv has the type 4th from bottom

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Kelerion:

but female version

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Kamy:

good evening :)

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Kamy:

Is this the line that controls the font size in an xterm window?

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Kamy:

Mod1 x :ExecCommand xterm -fn *18*

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Kamy:

that comes from

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Kamy:

etc/X11/fluxbox/keys

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cesman:

hello Kamy

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cesman:

yes it is

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Kamy:

HI cesman

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Kamy:

so the 18 should be the font size?

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cesman:

yes

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kcody:

Juski: do you have realtime working?

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Kamy:

ok then, where are the font size parameters kept for when I ctrl-alt-f2?

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kcody:

xris: what's the problem

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Juski:

kcody: nope.. don't need it

[03:36:00]

Kamy:

Oh, and cesman.... Knoppmyth rocks ;-)

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kcody:

Juski: the limits.conf approach seems to be broken

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Kelerion:

okies.. have just learnt something new.. there's different types of dvi! lol

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** Kelerion really should read up on this stuff more **

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** Kelerion often **

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Kelerion:

so.. my tv takes dvi-d input.. figures

[03:40:00]

** Kelerion needs a new graphics card **

[03:41:00]

Kamy:

how can I kill an xterm window that is not responding? (and I can't see the little "X" in the corner)

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Kelerion:

many ways.. ssh in and kill it.. or if you can run another program try xkill and click it

[03:43:00]

kcody:

Kamy: put a big frickin' magnet next to the offending window... (kidding, sleep dep talking)

[03:44:00]

kcody:

anyone know what the "ideal" dnr settings are for the pvr150?

[03:44:00]

Kamy:

lol

[03:45:00]

kcody:

Kelerion: or possibly just a new cable

[03:45:00]

Kamy:

Kelerion: all you wanted to know about video card interfaces... http://images10.newegg.com/UploadFilesForNewe . . . terfaces.pdf

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cesman:

Kamy: thanks :)

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Kelerion:

my video card doesn't have a dvi out.. so would rather stick with the vga if I can get away with it.. but if it's worth it I suppose I should get a new card (+cable)

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kcody:

Kelerion: yeah you will want a real dvi out -> real dvi in

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kcody:

and if you don't have a vsync issue, that's the only possible remaining source of your banding issue

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Kelerion:

so do most video cards have dvi-i ports? or dvi-d?

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Kamy:

This is my first experience with linux, can't imagine a better way to learn about it, I'm really having a blast

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jcsmith:

juski: still need help or have you knocked it out by now, sorry my very talkative aunt felt the need to call me for a chat

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Juski:

jcsmith: knocked it out

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Juski:

ugly as hell but it works

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jcsmith:

juski: hey working is what matters

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jcsmith:

not like you'll ever have to maintain any of the code :-P

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crouton:

argh. anybody got the faq for when irw doesn't show anything?

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Juski:

grep 'href="swit' channellist.dbox2 |awk $1 '{print "." substr($10,39,4) " " substr($10,26,10) " "$11 " " $12 " " $13}' |cut $1 -d "<" -f 1

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Kamy:

How can I adjust my font size when I use an alternate console? ctrl-alt-F2 etc...

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Kamy:

mine are huge and blinking

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Juski:

hrm.. only snag now is that I've ended up with some rogue > characters

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jcsmith:

hopefully they're all at one or the other end?

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Juski:

jcsmith.. just gonna do a dirty awk to replace em when I've written the file

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jcsmith:

juski: what are you doing this for?

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Juski:

jcsmith: got a cable box I can talk to with http

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Juski:

grab a list of channels from it – write them to a file channels.txt

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Juski:

channels.txt file is of the form ":channum. string name"

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jcsmith:

juski: thats pretty awesome, didn't realize such a thing existed

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Juski:

so I can use a further script within myth to change channels via a http request

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dasOp:

the above code looks like it should benefit from a straight regex

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Juski:

it's called a dbox2

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Juski:

there's already code to use it as a video source in SVN, but network streaming doesn't work too well, so I've got my own solution: dbox2 to pvr card.. external channel change script

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Juski:

might even make a script to put the channels in the DB too

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riddlebox:

does anyone know what you would insert into mysql to get a custom recording to work? I have inserted starttime,endtime,station,startdate,enddate, and run mythbackend --resched but mythfrontend never sees the schedule?

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Kel-kippin:

well.. gona 4am.. g'night all!

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riddlebox:

xris:did you write the mythweb scripts?

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xris:

most of it

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riddlebox:

what do you need to insert a custom program into the mysql record table?

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xris:

huh?

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Kamy:

I finally figured out how to use mythweb last night, man is that ever cool :)

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riddlebox:

I want to insert a custom show into mythv on my own through an app I want to create but am not sure what I need to add to the record table

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xris:

riddlebox: it should be pretty straightforward.

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xris:

title/subtitle/start/end/etc

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mocker_:

Woo.

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riddlebox:

I thought so, then run mythbackend --resched right?

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mocker_:

Just got another card for my MythTV system.

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mocker_:

Doesn't seem to want to give me sound though. :(

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Kamy:

mocker_: how many do you have now?

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mocker_:

Just two.

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mocker_:

PVR-250 is the old one.

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mocker_:

PVR-150 is the new.

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xris:

riddlebox: no clue. never done it

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Kamy:

this is my first box, I started with a pvr-500

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v_thunder:

anyone here know about/use the OS X frontend?

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v_thunder:

I can't figure out how to run it and get the console output

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v_thunder:

I can run the mythfrontend binary, and it comes up, but then the window doesn't accept any input

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v_thunder:

so I can't see if it is spewing out errors when I do certain things

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** xris kicks nfs again **

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mocker_:

Well, now I have sound.

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mocker_:

So that's a start. :)

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Juski:

marvellous

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Kamy:

hmmmm, when I'm playing music, sometimes the visualizer just displays a "?"

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Kamy:

whats up with that?

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darkdrgn2k:

Hi, i have a mythtv network related question

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darkdrgn2k:

i want ot move one of my tuners into a settop box,

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darkdrgn2k:

curently the box only has a 10 gig hd in there

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darkdrgn2k:

q1) do i need to put a bigger hd in the settop to do video recording

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darkdrgn2k:

q2) is there a way to record to a network drive

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darkdrgn2k:

q2b) if not is there a way to move the recordings of the local drive to the network drive AFTER recording is done

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: just use samba or NFS & mount a share on the set top machine.. then use that as the recording directory

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: but will that be fast enough?

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Juski:

if you have 100mbit ethernet, yeah

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Juski:

even for HDTV

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: really?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: that be nice..

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Juski:

I play recordings over the network all the time

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Juski:

writing files will be about the same

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: but save recodings ovr the network?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i want to move my pvr150 to the living room to make use of the Satalite receiver there :-P

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Juski:

don't blame you

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** v_thunder finds the logs **

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v_thunder:

in case anyone else asks

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: next step will maybe be getting a dvb card... so i can RECORD hdtv!

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v_thunder:

in os x, if you open mythfrontend normally (via the icon), and launch Console.app, you'll see the logs

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Juski:

I have a cable box linked to my myth box upstairs with CAT5 cable for audio & video feed.. I can now change channels on the cable box with an http request :)

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: nice... i the PVR has an IR Blaster :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: only problem is the settop boxc is LOUD!

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Juski:

jeeeeees is that the time?!?!?!?! must go to bed

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darkdrgn2k:

gatta do something about that

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: ivtvctl has a volume option I think

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Juski:

being a PVR150 owner now I should check it out ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i ment the box itself :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: stupid fans!!!

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Juski:

go big & slow, big and slow

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: Well the board has an integrated chip

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: yes an INTEGRATED processor chip

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: and the heatsinc is SCREWED on... soo yeh

[04:32:00]

Juski:

mini-itx?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: umm not really...

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Juski:

what is it then? I'm intruiged

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: its bascially a Elite Group board, with an onboard duron

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: +1800 duron

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Juski:

wow.. never heard of that done

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Juski:

aaanyway.. night all

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i mean board is kinda small itself... fits into a mini atx case... but DAM it heats up

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** Juski will need a lie in **

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: when i left the computer in the entertament set

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: beind the glass

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: the CASE reached 40 Celcuse

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Juski:

heh.. night!

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darkdrgn2k:

thats 105.8 degrees Fahrenheit

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL nite

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kcody:

darkdrgn2k: probably need forced circulation in the entertainment set anyway...

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darkdrgn2k:

kcody: i agrea.. i screwed on a fan at the back :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

kcody: but im gonna move the computer now outside but its to bloody loud

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darkdrgn2k:

kcody: fisr thing im gonna do is get rid of this dam sounblaster sound card.. it takes up space and its not 100% compatible with nix

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darkdrgn2k:

dam its the HD thats to loud

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darkdrgn2k:

Can a myth frontend boot diskless? :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

uh backend

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darkdrgn2k:

backend slave rather.. can it boot diskless

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GreyFoxx:

of course it can

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GreyFoxx:

the only difference between a diskless frontend and backend is the software it's running

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: how big can the image be though?

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GreyFoxx:

well I guess it would depend on how you are doing "diskless". Booting from CD, or off the network and nfs mounting everything

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GreyFoxx:

even if from CD you can gtet the CD to nfs mount another machine for storage

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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darkdrgn2k:

i m just tryign to quite this beast down

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GreyFoxx:

unless you have some nasty harddrives they shouldn't be that much of a problem

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darkdrgn2k:

its an old hd

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darkdrgn2k:

and its loud....

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GreyFoxx:

and there are settings that can be used in hdparm to set drives in "quieter" modes

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darkdrgn2k:

i might swap the drivbe though

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Kamy:

how can I log in as root from an xterm window?

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GreyFoxx:

su ?

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Kamy:

oh duh !

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Kamy:

thanx :)

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Kamy:

must be getting tired....

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Kamy:

should probably stop messing with this box before I break it again

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darkdrgn2k:

on the lines of stupid questiosn

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darkdrgn2k:

when you transcode a recording in myth

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darkdrgn2k:

say using nuvtranscode scripts

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darkdrgn2k:

the resuling files, are they stroed under VIDEOS or RECORDINGS

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GreyFoxx:

nuvexport?

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GreyFoxx:

They get stored whereever you tell it to. It asks you

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darkdrgn2k:

umm yeh that sit

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darkdrgn2k:

i guess what im asking is

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darkdrgn2k:

can you use that tool to automatically transcode to smaller format

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GreyFoxx:

I think it defaults to the same directory you are in when you run it

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darkdrgn2k:

and still fid int in myth

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GreyFoxx:

There are some commandline flags you can feed it, but no idea how comprehensive they are

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: you keep them in mpg2?

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GreyFoxx:

I delete stuff after I watch it

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GreyFoxx:

and the few things I transcode I do under windows

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GreyFoxx:

for various reasons I've never been happy with the nix tools

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

i tried beyond tv and it was nice enough to keep everythign small in wmv formats

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darkdrgn2k:

hey grey: how do you import a EPG fro your digical table into the box

[04:51:00]

darkdrgn2k:

still with zap?

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GreyFoxx:

ummm what ?

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darkdrgn2k:

the program guide

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darkdrgn2k:

how do you import it?

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GreyFoxx:

mythfilldatabase ?

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darkdrgn2k:

so you use zap2

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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\Grooby\:

ugh...horrible korean soap

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\Grooby\:

evening all

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mocker_:

Bleh.

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mocker_:

Need to restart mythbackend when making changes to the card setup.

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mocker_:

:)

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hadees:

can linux output dvi?

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crouton:

should

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kcody:

damn... either i've got a really nasty intermittent ivtv problem, or a really nasty intermittent signal issue.

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crouton:

but it's nasty and intermittent in any event

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v_thunder:

question for y'all -

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kcody:

crouton: yep. *growl*.

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v_thunder:

is there a way to disable the video in the program guide?

[05:26:00]

v_thunder:

the program guide is unusably slow, and I think that is contributing

[05:26:00]

kcody:

just for a little flavor, i think this -particular- station is having its own audio issues

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kcody:

v_thunder: if that's the case, it can only mean your video output is entirely unaccelerated... or you're just on way too slow hw

[05:27:00]

v_thunder:

no, it's network usage

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v_thunder:

I'm reasonably certain

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kcody:

what network type

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kcody:

what else is happening on it

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v_thunder:

both wireless or 100bT

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v_thunder:

no, it's always slow

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kcody:

full screen video slow?

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v_thunder:

no, the video is OK

[05:28:00]

v_thunder:

the program guide is what's slow

[05:28:00]

kcody:

are you sure xv and/or xvmc are working right?

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crouton:

it's always slow, i think

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GreyFoxx:

There is no more network usage during the EPG than during normal video playback only than the 1 query to get the program info

[05:28:00]

kcody:

yeah, it's not as snappy as a desktop app

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v_thunder:

I am not sure – this is on macs

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v_thunder:

all of my frontends are macs

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kcody:

and the query isn't any significant bandwidth

[05:29:00]

kcody:

oh

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kcody:

umm, help guys? xv/xvmc on a mac?

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GreyFoxx:

I have no idea about the video output on a mac

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v_thunder:

the whole app is never really very fast

[05:30:00]

v_thunder:

but the program guide is just ridiculously slow

[05:30:00]

v_thunder:

it takes about 10 seconds to come up

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GreyFoxx:

v_thunder: Try using the other way to get at the EPg that doesn't play video at the same time

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v_thunder:

and about 3 seconds every time you hit 'up' or 'down'

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GreyFoxx:

see if that is lagged

[05:30:00]

v_thunder:

just to redraw the little selection box :)

[05:31:00]

v_thunder:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that's what I wanted

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v_thunder:

how do I do that?

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v_thunder:

because I suspect that on top of general slowness, the video really isn't helping

[05:31:00]

kcody:

v_thunder: is your cpu usage going way up?

[05:31:00]

v_thunder:

let me see

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GreyFoxx:

Well if it's using Accelerated video output the video wont make a lick of difference

[05:31:00]

kcody:

GreyFoxx: i'm thinking it might not be

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GreyFoxx:

But there is a Program Guide option in the mythfrontend menus

[05:32:00]

kcody:

i've tried doing some unix-ish stuff under macosx, it's about as linux-compatible as, say, sunos 4.3

[05:32:00]

kcody:

apple really screwed the pooch imho

[05:33:00]

GreyFoxx:

For me it's "TV -> Schedule Recordings -> Program Guide"

[05:33:00]

crouton:

anybody know the trick to installing themes?

[05:33:00]

v_thunder:

okay, cpu usage is pretty high just playing video

[05:33:00]

crouton:

specifically the Titivillus theme?

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kcody:

v_thunder: your video output is unaccelerated.

[05:33:00]

v_thunder:

it hovers at about 50% mythfrontend

[05:33:00]

v_thunder:

plus an extra 30% system

[05:33:00]

kcody:

do you have a 'glxinfo' program?

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v_thunder:

nay

[05:34:00]

v_thunder:

but that's an X app

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kcody:

yeah it is... you do have the X11 dev kit installed?

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v_thunder:

nope, I'm not using X

[05:34:00]

v_thunder:

er

[05:34:00]

v_thunder:

actually, I may have the X11 server installed

[05:34:00]

kcody:

v_thunder: myth outputs video via X calls even on macosx

[05:35:00]

v_thunder:

hrm, really

[05:35:00]

kcody:

if you didn't have at least basic X, it wouldn't work at all

[05:35:00]

GreyFoxx:

You sure ?

[05:35:00]

v_thunder:

I think you're mistaken

[05:35:00]

GreyFoxx:

Surely there is some sort of accelerated video layer on MacOSX

[05:35:00]

v_thunder:

I don't have the X server running

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kcody:

yes there is, independently of the X11 code

[05:35:00]

v_thunder:

(you need to start it as an app on os x)

[05:35:00]

kcody:

i use macosx boxen all day long for commercial printing work

[05:36:00]

kcody:

they're a pain in the ass... and "real" macosx apps use the Carbon libraries, which are black-boxed by apple

[05:36:00]

kcody:

there is acceleration but it needn't have any relation to X

[05:36:00]

v_thunder:

there must be some glue that is translating mythfrontend's X calls without a server

[05:36:00]

v_thunder:

because I'm not running the server

[05:36:00]

kcody:

yes there is

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v_thunder:

aha

[05:37:00]

v_thunder:

ok

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kcody:

unless someone has some seriously huge macosx code in the mythtv tree that i haven't seen, it's calling qt which is calling x

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GreyFoxx:

X11 calls are not used for output on a mac, at least they should not be. If they are there is a bug

[05:37:00]

GreyFoxx:

* = DESCRIPTION

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GreyFoxx:

* Basic video for Mac OS X, using an unholy amalgamation of QuickTime,

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GreyFoxx:

* QuickDraw, and Quartz/Core Graphics.

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GreyFoxx:

That's from videoout_quartz.cpp

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kcody:

possible compile config issue then?

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GreyFoxx:

someone with a mac as a frontend would have to comment further as I don't have one :)

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v_thunder:

ah, good ol' unholy code

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kcody:

and i don't have a backend at work

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kcody:

wait, -basic- video... hardware scaling support/

[05:38:00]

v_thunder:

possibly my hardware is too crappy

[05:39:00]

kcody:

how old is it?

[05:39:00]

v_thunder:

I have a ~3 year old powerbook

[05:39:00]

kcody:

that shouldn't be over the top old

[05:39:00]

v_thunder:

no, but you never know

[05:39:00]

kcody:

unless it is in fact running unaccelerated

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v_thunder:

hrm

[05:39:00]

v_thunder:

os x doesn't really have any knobs for that sort of thing

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kcody:

which -could- be a config problem in the Quick*/Quartz toolchain, or it could be compiling against X emulation

[05:39:00]

v_thunder:

it just sort of runs

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kcody:

what does ldd say

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v_thunder:

hold

[05:40:00]

v_thunder:

-bash: ldd: command not found

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v_thunder:

haha

[05:40:00]

** v_thunder kicks os x **

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kcody:

wtf??

[05:40:00]

kcody:

works on mine...

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v_thunder:

hrm, I don' have the dev tools installed

[05:40:00]

v_thunder:

I bet that's it

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v_thunder:

oh, I do

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kcody:

damn since when is ldd a 'dev tool'...

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** v_thunder shrugs **

[05:41:00]

kcody:

hrm

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kcody:

gotta find out what mythfrontend is linked against

[05:41:00]

v_thunder:

I totally can't find ldd

[05:41:00]

v_thunder:

how is this hard

[05:41:00]

v_thunder:

lol

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kcody:

v_thunder: ok sanity check, you are looking for a command-line ldd tool, not a gui app, right? (just checking)

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v_thunder:

haha

[05:42:00]

v_thunder:

yes

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v_thunder:

I know what ldd is :)

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kcody:

ok just making sure lol

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v_thunder:

hehe

[05:42:00]

v_thunder:

I do linux development for a living

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kcody:

ok

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kcody:

at the moment i'm supporting a print shop

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v_thunder:

it's just at home that I have macs :)

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v_thunder:

locate ldd is giving me no love

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kcody:

and i -have- pulled stunts like the hp tech support power outage incident... and kept my job

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** v_thunder baffles **

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kcody:

hmm

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kcody:

fsck

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v_thunder:

belleza:~/Apps/MythFrontend.app/Contents/MacOS thunder$ fsck

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v_thunder:

belleza:~/Apps/MythFrontend.app/Contents/MacOS thunder$ echo $?

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v_thunder:

0

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kcody:

let's change tacks

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v_thunder:

:-)

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v_thunder:

or were you just cursing? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Myth is uses Quicktimes ScaleMatrix() to scale the video if needed. I assume that's accelerated? Maybe it's done in CPU ?

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kcody:

does sound like it's happening in cpu

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v_thunder:

yeah, with this much cpu usage

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kcody:

either that or i'm really overestimating a 3 year old mac

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v_thunder:

hmm

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v_thunder:

it's a 867MHz G4

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v_thunder:

maybe I can borrow my brother's (much newer) powerbook

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kcody:

should be plenty, i'm playing back on a P3–800 laptop, savage chipset w/o acceleration, and it keeps up fine

[05:45:00]

kcody:

of course, it's only a frontend

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v_thunder:

yeah, this is only a frontend too, of course

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v_thunder:

and playback is generally okay

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kcody:

and i -am- forcing it to scale 720x480->1024x768

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kcody:

no serious responsiveness issue in the guide, but it clips the video rather than scaling it

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v_thunder:

oh? mine is scaling

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kcody:

isn't there a quicktime package? it's installed? no control panel/

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v_thunder:

it looks quite nice

[05:47:00]

v_thunder:

there's a quicktime pref pane

[05:47:00]

v_thunder:

but it's useless crap

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GreyFoxx:

Known problems:

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GreyFoxx:

- On my PowerBook G4 800, I have frequent "prebuffering pause" and "A/V

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GreyFoxx:

diverged" problems. Under v1, I couldn't draw enough frames to trigger

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GreyFoxx:

That's from an email on the -dev list from the guy who implmented that code

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v_thunder:

hmm

[05:48:00]

v_thunder:

the pb 800's are older

[05:48:00]

v_thunder:

I guess I'll have to set up a toolchain and start building this puppy myself

[05:48:00]

v_thunder:

ugh

[05:48:00]

v_thunder:

of course that also means upgrading the backend

[05:48:00]

v_thunder:

so I can run svn

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** crouton loves svn **

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v_thunder:

you love svn, or you love mythtv from svn? ;-)

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kcody:

oh.

[05:50:00]

kcody:

found it.

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v_thunder:

oh?

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crouton:

i love svn

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v_thunder:

really?

[05:50:00]

kcody:

http://www.petitiononline.com/atiapple/petition.html

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crouton:

I use it daily.

[05:50:00]

v_thunder:

I also love svn

[05:50:00]

v_thunder:

cvs was teh suck

[05:50:00]

v_thunder:

well, it was better than nothing

[05:50:00]

crouton:

i missed cvs, thankfully

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kcody:

apparently, the earlier graphics chipsets had substandard macosx drivers... and apple said 'fuck off'

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v_thunder:

aha.

[05:51:00]

v_thunder:

suck.

[05:51:00]

kcody:

yeah...

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v_thunder:

wait, those are older

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kcody:

can't be that much older though, macosx has been out for what, 2–3 years?

[05:53:00]

kcody:

about the age of the machine?

[05:53:00]

kcody:

it's earlier enough imo

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v_thunder:

much more

[05:53:00]

kcody:

check the chipset though

[05:53:00]

v_thunder:

OSX is like 6 years old

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** v_thunder checks **

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kcody:

i actually hadn't encountered it until like 2003, it was at 10.2 i think

[05:54:00]

kcody:

and sucked ass no matter what it was doing according to the graphics dept

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v_thunder:

"Chipset Model:ATY,RV250M9"

[05:54:00]

v_thunder:

I quite like it in general

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v_thunder:

though many specifics drive me crazy

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kcody:

it is a good chip

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kcody:

as a desktop i like it. as a unix, i vomit.

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v_thunder:

yeah, stop thinking about it as a unix :-)

[05:56:00]

kcody:

they just fucked with too much

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v_thunder:

that's step #1 when thinking about it

[05:56:00]

kcody:

don't try to think of it as a mac either

[05:56:00]

v_thunder:

right

[05:56:00]

kcody:

my job has demonstrated it's -MUCH- happier with unix protocols than appletalk or cifs

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v_thunder:

if only older macs didn't suck under the hood

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v_thunder:

(as in, protected memory, etc)

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kcody:

right

[05:57:00]

v_thunder:

because UI-wise, they're *so* good

[05:57:00]

v_thunder:

so usable

[05:57:00]

** v_thunder checks his version of X11.app **

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kcody:

are you doing much with that laptop or is it a mythtv toy?

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v_thunder:

it's my main laptop

[05:58:00]

v_thunder:

I also have a mac mini

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v_thunder:

hooked up to my tv

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v_thunder:

that is mostly a mythtv toy

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crouton:

ooh, mac mini

[05:58:00]

kcody:

is it having similar issues?

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v_thunder:

yes

[05:58:00]

v_thunder:

that one uses 100bT ethernet

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kcody:

same graphics hardware?

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v_thunder:

not sure

[05:58:00]

** v_thunder goes check **

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kcody:

i read somewhere, don't try more than one wireless frontend

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v_thunder:

yes, multiple wireless (b) frontends is too much

[05:59:00]

v_thunder:

oh crap

[05:59:00]

kcody:

crap what?

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v_thunder:

someone is sleeping in the living room :/

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kcody:

hahah

[05:59:00]

kcody:

'lol' is overused, but i did, i swear

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v_thunder:

haha

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kcody:

i'm thinking a ppc linux conversion might solve your acceleration problem

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kcody:

obviously not viable for the laptop

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v_thunder:

apple claims their x11 is accelerated on macs

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v_thunder:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/

[06:01:00]

v_thunder:

oh, maybe I could try that on some machine

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kcody:

the ati rv250 should be easy to get working for 2d,3d,video acceleration

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kcody:

guessing the other mac has something similar

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crouton:

there is a paucity of mythtv themes

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kcody:

-what- do they claim is accelerated

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kcody:

probably just 2d, maybe 3d

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kcody:

i doubt the Xv extension is even present

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v_thunder:

I still don't really understand how it's all glued together

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v_thunder:

since I'm not running the X11 server

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kcody:

yes you are

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kcody:

the "server" that handles the x11 calls is really just a dual api

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v_thunder:

there is no process on my machine that I can identify as the x11 server

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v_thunder:

is what I meant

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kcody:

there doesn't need to be one

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kcody:

the same process (kernel thread, however the hell they did it) that services the native OS X calls also responds to the X11 api

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kcody:

but not all the bells and whistles, at least not without the dev kit and i'm sure that isn't complete either

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v_thunder:

ooooh?

[06:05:00]

v_thunder:

no way

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kcody:

like you said, it's not unix

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v_thunder:

when you install X11 on the mac

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v_thunder:

(as an add-on)

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v_thunder:

it installs XFree86

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v_thunder:

it's XFree86 4.4.0

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kcody:

i'm pretty sure there's basic protocol support built in

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v_thunder:

huh

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kcody:

enough to handle, say, a gtk app getting redirected over an ssh tunnel

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kcody:

by no means a complete "X" system

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v_thunder:

no, I can't redirect over ssh

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v_thunder:

I have to start a terminal from the X11 app

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v_thunder:

then redirect works

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kcody:

?? didn't have that problem...

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v_thunder:

huh

[06:09:00]

v_thunder:

how odd/interesting

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kcody:

it -could- be that the unix layer stuff is changing more rapidly than windows 95 (orig->last), i'm sure you remember what i mean

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v_thunder:

you also have ldd :)

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kcody:

those systems haven't gotten a rebuild i a couple years, i could have installed some of that stuff then forgotten about it

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v_thunder:

oh, fink

[06:10:00]

v_thunder:

maybe you have fink

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v_thunder:

I don't

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kcody:

possible

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kcody:

i'm not near the machine to check

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v_thunder:

I don't know how that would magically make X redir work

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v_thunder:

anywho

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kcody:

if they dicked with the ssh client they could have added a conditional dll load

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kcody:

no redir without that client side library to handle the forwarding

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kcody:

conjecture of course, i'll check next week

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kcody:

for now i have to crash

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v_thunder:

allright

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kcody:

me, not my equipment lol

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v_thunder:

thanks for the help :)

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kcody:

i tried anyway

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v_thunder:

I'll keep poking at it

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v_thunder:

and check back tomorrow or something

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kcody:

hope you manage to run it down but it doesn't sound like it... i'd be looking for a driver update somehow

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kcody:

sure

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kcody:

catch ya later

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v_thunder:

nite

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t00m:

i need hammock music. any suggestions? :)

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sean33:

Hauppauge hvr1300 will it work with mythtv ?

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Kamy:

how do I untar this file, rp9codecs-20050115.tar.bz2

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Kamy:

I don't know which arguments to use

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Captain_Murdoch:

tar xvjf rp9codecs-20050115.tar.bz2

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Kamy:

okay, just a sec

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Kamy:

thanx much Captain

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Kamy:

:)

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Kamy:

I'm following a howto to install mythstream and I get an error right at the end trying to run apt-get

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Kamy:

apt-get install mplayer-k7

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Kamy:

Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main Packages

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Kamy:

(2 No such file or directory)

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Kamy:

does that mean it's an old version or something?

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Kamy:

okay, can someone help me with this? Package mplayer-k7 is not available, but is referred to by another package

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t00m:

when did you last run apt-get update

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Kamy:

just now

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t00m:

i'm out

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Kamy:

do I have to run it from the root directory, or can I run it from anywhere?

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Kamy:

I'm a noob

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t00m:

anywhere

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t00m:

why don't you just browse to that ftp and see what's there

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t00m:

or select a different one

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Kamy:

I'm googling for mplayer-k7 now, see what I can find

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Kamy:

how can I add this to my "sources" list ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main

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Kamy:

I'm assuming sources lists is where apt-get looks for stuff?

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Captain_Murdoch:

just edit sources.list and add that line, then rerun the update to fetch the package lists again.

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t00m:

jup

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Kamy:

I have sources.list in two locations, I'm guessing this one... /etc/apt/sources.list

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Kamy:

or should I edit both?

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t00m:

the manpage should tell you, which is going to be red

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t00m:

read

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Kamy:

okay

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Flimzy:

Does anyone here have experience using a DCT62xx with mythtv?

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topping:

anyone know offhand of a script for requeueing my shows for commflag and transcode?

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topping:

there's a bunch of files in there, i don't want to create all the rows by hand

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dtm:

how do i generate, or where do i find, a frequency/channel database for us cable? scantv wants a /dev/vbi which my pvrusb2 doesn't have. what provides /dev/vbi?

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xris:

yay, nfs issues fixed.. turns out some random machine on the net went down, and my dns just happened to be looking there to reverse my 10-net addresses.

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xris:

fyi for anyone else who uses 10-net and hosts their own dns.

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jasta:

yawn

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Guyfromhe:

damn dual tuners 0wn

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dtm:

xris: well done.

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dtm:

Guyfromhe: noted.

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xris:

dtm: wasn't me who solved the problem

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dtm:

k

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xris:

nice to have sysadmin friends

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Guyfromhe:

you have sysadmin friends?

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xris:

doesn't everyone?

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Guyfromhe:

i guess

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Guyfromhe:

woah cool

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Guyfromhe:

you can get it to start where you left off

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Guyfromhe:

uberw00t

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dtm:

does anyone know about mythtv on ppc? i need the backend alone working, with no video operations, just to capture from a hardware pvr and output via nfs

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dtm:

it's barfing on some cpu-specific functions

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dtm:

which i'm pretty sure it doesn't need.

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alc6379:

hey... anyone know how I could remove an entry for a recording that I deleted the .mui file for manually?

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alc6379:

the Delete function within MythTV doesn't do it

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Guyfromhe:

why not?

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alc6379:

it just isn't

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alc6379:

I hit Delete, and nothing happens

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Guyfromhe:

weird

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Guyfromhe:

what version of myth?

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alc6379:

If I were to delete a recording that the file is still available, it deletes normally

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alc6379:

lemme check

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Guyfromhe:

did you try restarting the backend?

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alc6379:

yeah

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alc6379:

I'm running 0.18.1

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Guyfromhe:

hrem

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alc6379:

Does anyone know how I could just perhaps remove that entry from the database itself?

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Guyfromhe:

i've done it on 0.16 fine but havn't tried doing it since I upgraded to 0.18

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Guyfromhe:

thats probably what you have to do

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Guyfromhe:

um

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Guyfromhe:

open mysql

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alc6379:

I'm not incredibly up on MySQL. If I knew what table I was looking for, etc, I could do that

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Guyfromhe:

recorded is the table

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Guyfromhe:

in the mythconverg database

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Guyfromhe:

you can either select * from recorded; and find it then delete frmo recorded where title='whatever';

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alc6379:

cool, looks like that's working

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Guyfromhe:

good

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Guyfromhe:

alternativly you could have made a blank file wiht the same name that it was looking for then deleted it]

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alc6379:

yeah, I reckon so

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alc6379:

This works well enough, though-- I know not to let it take up all my disk space, and I know how to do it this time

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alc6379:

appreciate the help

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alc6379:

you cats have a good eve, or morning, wherever you may be

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SqWaw:

does anyone have a gentoo init script for mythtv's mythbackend?

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Guyfromhe:

wow that sucks I guess i'm gunna have to write up a patch if I want that fixed

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Guyfromhe:

ah well maybe tomorrow

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dtm:

Guyfromhe: patch waht

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dtm:

Guyfromhe: what are you fixing

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Guyfromhe:

when i'm watching live tv when a recording comes up it takes over my live tv session instead of recording on the other tuner

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Guyfromhe:

I tried setting both tuners to the same priority

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Guyfromhe:

and it still did it

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dtm:

oic

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Guyfromhe:

thats just rude

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Guyfromhe:

so i'm gunna teach it to either record on the other tuner or change inputs and tune the other tuner to the same channel if their on the same source

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Guyfromhe:

shouldn't be too hard to implement that

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Guyfromhe:

unless theres some stupid option I missed, but i'm pretty sure I went through all of them several times

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Guyfromhe:

oh well I should get some sleep

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Guyfromhe:

have fun

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Guyfromhe:

hm theres a way to tell it to use tuner2 instead of 1 so it's less likely to interrupt your tv show

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Guyfromhe:

maybe thats the best way to go

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Guyfromhe:

oh well i'll take a look at a patch later, this will do for now...seems kinda hackish though to use the 2nd tuner rather than using the one thats avalible

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Guyfromhe:

oh well, not i'm off to bed

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dtm:

Guyfromhe: how rude. ok good luck

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thechris:

gentoo users abound?

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Dibblah:

Great. I'm a Gentoo user, but I don't use the ebuild, since they've historically (before Cardoe started maintaining them) useless.

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Dibblah:

Besides, I tend to track SVN.

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thechris:

hmm i may have found an issue with the ebuild

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thechris:

i keep getting ACCESS VIOLATIONS

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dtm:

does anyone know how to disable the asm building in the mythtv backend

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Dibblah:

thechris: Paste the result to pastebin.ca

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Dibblah:

dtm: asm?

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thechris:

Dibblah: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-420720-h . . . olation.html

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thechris:

i've been told it is a sandbox violation. notice the "/usr/compile" instead of "/var/tmp"

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thechris:

i set PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/usr/compile"

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thechris:

because my /var is only 1G

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Dibblah:

You're on a 64 bit platform?

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thechris:

yes

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thechris:

i compiled it fine last week though

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thechris:

on the backend

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Dibblah:

What changed? ;)

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sona:

hey, been compiling mythtv frontendonly for 11 hours on a 1,5Ghz celeron, is it normal to take this long ?

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Dibblah:

sona: Possible. Depends on the amount of RAM / swap usage. Is it scrolling at all?

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thechris:

sona: while i've never used a celeron, my guess is "no"

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SqWaw:

any reason why the initscript won't start the backend?...it doesn't output any error messages, and a simple ps ax | grep myth doesnt show it running

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thechris:

i guess it is possible, but not "normal"

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Dibblah:

thechris: Anything useful in the log file mentioned in the second code section?

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thechris:

SqWaw: for gentoo?

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SqWaw:

thechris yessum

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sona:

only ~100MB ram so maybe it takes a while...

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thechris:

SqWaw: type: "mythtvbackend"

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thechris:

it will list the error

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Dibblah:

mythbackend

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thechris:

that may also work

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thechris:

i just press tab...

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SqWaw:

its mythbackend

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SqWaw:

theres no such bin item as mythtvbackend

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Dibblah:

Hey, everyone makes mistakes :)

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thechris:

there is a myth[tab]b[tab] though

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SqWaw:

i checked the init script and it IS pointing to the binary

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thechris:

SqWaw: ok, but the initscript doens't log the error to the screen

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SqWaw:

nor to the logfile

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SqWaw:

i checked there too

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thechris:

in anycase i think i had to run myth[tab]setup first

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SqWaw:

eh?

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SqWaw:

my system is already up and running

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thechris:

mythsetup or mythtvsetup

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SqWaw:

thats irrelavant :)

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thechris:

you would think

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SqWaw:

it is.

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SqWaw:

i ran that weeks ago, ever since i did my system though, the initscripts wouldn't work

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SqWaw:

i always logged into tty2 and ran it manually

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thechris:

can you manually start mythbackend?

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SqWaw:

yep

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SqWaw:

just type mythbackend

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SqWaw:

thats how i always had my setup workin... ^

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thechris:

SqWaw: if nothing else you can add "mythbackend" to /etc/conf.d/local.start

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SqWaw:

i guess..

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SqWaw:

.

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thechris:

i have no issues with the init script. mythbackend crashes if i switch to a VC though...

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Dibblah:

thechris: Easy workaround: FEATURES="-sandbox" emerge myth...

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thechris:

well, if mythfrontend is running it does.

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thechris:

Dibblah: i just tried that. it seems to have compiled

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Dibblah:

There's too many doubledots in the path. I guess emerge is getting confused somewhere.

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thechris:

hmm, i forget how to set up mysql to accept connections.

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Dibblah:

Well, that'd be in the documentation. ;)

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thechris:

well, i tried it and it seems you can have that many ../../ in there and it will go to the correct place

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Dibblah:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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Dibblah:

thechris: Not really.

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Dibblah:

It's not /lib64, it's /usr/lib64

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thechris:

hmm, i have both i think

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Dibblah:

Yes, but the Myth libs should NOT be going in /lib64.

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thechris:

i don't see any mythtv libs in /lib64. it looks like i'm safe

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thechris:

err ssh window

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thechris:

hmm they are in /lib64

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thechris:

but mysql still won't work...

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thechris:

i hate sql

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thechris:

i get error 111

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thechris:

hmm. it appears i need to go to my campus IT department and stab someone in the eye...

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thechris:

apparently the computers, which are 20ft away aren't on the same network, and the firewal filters mysql...

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Juski:

morning

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thechris:

indeed

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thechris:

but not monday morning

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Juski:

certainly hope it's not monday morning.. I know I said I was having a lie in, but...

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thechris:

i woke up at 4pm...

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thechris:

i'm staying up all night so i can go to bed at 10pm and wake up on time

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thechris:

well, relatively

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Juski:

ouch

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** _willcooke_ yawms. Mornin' **

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_willcooke_:

yawns

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thechris:

so, i think i know too many geeks

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thechris:

and as it turns out, i'm good at connect four.

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thechris:

a classic board game

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term:

anyone know why a channel would appear all over the database, be set visible in the channels table, and yet not appear in the listings as available to tape from?

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term:

it plain doesn't appear..

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_willcooke_:

Juski, How are you getting on with the dvb-t radio patch?

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sona:

uh is it possible to listen to the available dvb-t radio channels ?

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Juski:

_willcooke_: still works

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Juski:

sona: yes, with SVN & a patch

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_willcooke_:

Juski, wasn't it juddering on playback?

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sona:

ah...

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Juski:

_willcooke_: yeah but so's all the DVB stuff.. EIT parser hogging my CPU etc

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_willcooke_:

Juski, ah!

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** Juski has made test recordings – all were fine **

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Juski:

currently fiddling with a script to change channels on my cable box

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** _willcooke_ wants to record The Essential Mix **

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Juski:

I haven't listened to that for aaaaaaaaages

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_willcooke_:

Juski, There was a goodun' at the end of last year, some 3-way scratch off between a load of DMC champions

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** Juski loves the wicky-wicky **

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Juski:

hmmm I need a way to use wget, that does actually _get_ a file

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Juski:

curl doesn't work all the time

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Juski:

sorted, I think

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Juski:

hmm now just need a script to import a channels.txt into the DB

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** _willcooke_ thinks a 300GB HDD isnt going to last long **

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jcsmith:

willcooke: yea, seems like I never have enough space no matter how much I have available for myth

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_willcooke_:

I thought I'd "backup" some dvd's so I had a nice online library, I think I might have to rethink that!

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jcsmith:

yea, eventually I want to make a dvd juke box out of my myth, but i think my home file server project will have to be completed first

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jcsmith:

its my plan to hopefully over the summer build a 2–3 terrabyte file server

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** Juski is gonna need some more storage when he gets the cable channels online **

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Juski:

can you still get motherboards with 8 PCI slots?

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** _willcooke_ has only seen MB's with 4 slots for a while now **

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_willcooke_:

I might look at those USB2 external disc jobbies.

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Juski:

4 slots? rubbish!

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_willcooke_:

250GB for 70 GBP

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Juski:

how are we all gonna build these mega tuner PVR machines then?

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_willcooke_:

a couple of slave backends?

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

not as good as all in one box though

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_willcooke_:

True.

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_willcooke_:

We've got some 19" rack mountable IDE RAID5 things at work. They plug in to a SCSI card but you can fill them up with cheap IDE discs.

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_willcooke_:

Slow as fsck mind

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gakalkag:

just ordered two technotrend dvb-s budget card to fill up my last pci slots

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gakalkag:

but i got one free isa slot i think . lol

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_willcooke_:

gakalkag, You can pick up an old watchdog card that'll plug in to an ISA slot, other than that I don't know what you could put in there!

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jcsmith:

i'm planning on using sata drives when i secure the funds to build my file server, i want to run solaris 10 on it to use ZFS (very cool stuff) then have a masterbackend with 3 or 4 tuners in it that mounts all of the storage over NFS

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_willcooke_:

What's the deal with SATA then? I've got two "ports" on my MB, does that mean I can only have 2 sata dicsc?

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gakalkag:

yes only two then

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_willcooke_:

boo

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_willcooke_:

Looks like SCSI RAID5 is the way then?

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jcsmith:

yes, i'm planning on buying a couple of nice sata cards that will support 5 drives each

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_willcooke_:

Ah, such things exist! Sounds like a good idea

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jcsmith:

yea, i'm just trying to decide if i want to use sata raid 5 orsolars 10 ZFS software raid-Z as they like to call it which is essentially software raid 5 with some interesting performance advantages

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** _willcooke_ is scared of software raid 5 :) **

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jcsmith:

its a little different than regular software raid-5 it always writes full stripes so there is no write hole, and it implements full copy on write semantics

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thechris:

does solaris 10 support any tv tuners?

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thechris:

or mythtv?

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jcsmith:

not that i know of, which is why this will be purely a file server, then i'll mount the storage with NFS over gigabit ethernet on my mythbackend

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gakalkag:

why not all in one box?

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jcsmith:

if i decide to use hardware raid-5 then i'll run linux on the file server but if i go with solaris 10, then i won't be able to run myth on that box

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Juski:

where I work we've got them massive SCSI2 raid boxes.. 16 IDE disks in one box... noisy as hell though

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Juski:

we rebadge em & sell as our own ;)

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_willcooke_:

Juski, jetstor ?

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Juski:

fibrenetix

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_willcooke_:

jetstor is arse

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Juski:

they do fiber channel stuff too, but we dont buy em

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Juski:

are SATA raid boxes starting to appear yet? as in external SATA in, to lots of cheap disks...

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jcsmith:

we've got plenty of cool toys where i work, unfortunately i don't get to play with them as much as i'd like because every little change requires massive ammounts of papperwork

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jcsmith:

because the pharmaceutical industry is so freaking heavily regulated

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jcsmith:

juski: i've seen a couple of sata raid boxes none look very nice and all seem to be rather hacked together

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Juski:

yeh.. it's just the prescription industry that's not

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jcsmith:

i work for one of the largest pharmaceutical manufactures in the US and so much as rebooting a system which is considered to have something to do with production requires 5+ pages of paperwork

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Juski:

dammit.. this script still isn't dead right

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_willcooke_:

Must be fun with windows then!

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** _willcooke_ needs a Nokia 770 to pair with mythweb **

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jcsmith:

i stay away from windows as much as possible, however we've had a couple of redundant disks fail, lately and replacing one of those in a disk array requires 7 pages of paperwork + you have to hash every file after the rebuild and ensure its identical to the files before

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_willcooke_:

eek

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term:

I'm guessing scripting is your friend more than most

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jcsmith:

scripting helps, however once you begin to use a script for testing, any changes to it require paperwork as well, its like a viscious cycle

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term:

hm, layered scripting :)

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term:

eventually, I'll figure out why a) some channels I marked visible don't appear for scheduling and b) why sometimes when I say "do NOT record this timeslot" it doesn't take

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term:

I wonder if there's a race between the code that replies to me and the code that actually marks it as not recordable..

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term:

or, maybe not.

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Juski:

agh.. why is my ssh session limiting lines to about 80 chars?

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term:

okay, there is definitely something wrong.

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term:

I keep setting this show NOT to tape, and it keeps ignoring me.

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term:

it actually says on mythweb, "Do not record this specific showing", and on the left of it, it says, "Notes: This showing will be recorded."

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term:

what good is saying "don't do that" if it's going to blow me off?

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term:

and just for kicks, if I close that page and load it again fresh, that I told it not to tape it isn't set anymore.

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Juski:

yay! sorted the COLUMNS variable out.. now got 130 char lines

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term:

okay, now I'm just getting angry.

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term:

isn't that great. mythfrontend can't convince it either.

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znoG:

guys, if I buy an AverMedia M179, I should be able to buy any IR receiver and make it work with MythTV, right?

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mocker_:

znoG: I would make sure the IR receiver is supported w/ lirc.

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znoG:

mocker_: yep, the IR transmitter would be the remote, right? and the receiver the bit that plugs into the serial port of the system running lirc?

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mocker_:

Right.

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znoG:

mocker_: thanks.

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znoG:

mocker_: there are some cards (like the PVR-350?) that come with a transmitter/receiver, right?

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virginia2:

hey i was wondering im looking into building a pvr and would love to use mythtv was wondering if a winfast tv2000 xp would work as my tuner card

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Cromz:

virginia2, a quick google search, it seems some people have it working.

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virginia2:

ok next questian i have ive gotten my hands on a Microsoft remote control and reciver

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virginia2:

would taht work also

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|Slurpee|:

anyone ever install a nvida fx5200 in debian ?

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Cromz:

no idea. but if you know the model.. you could google that with linux see if it shows up anything. heh

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|Slurpee|:

well ive been having problems

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virginia2:

its the one that comes standered with a media center

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|Slurpee|:

there is lots of linux stuff for the fx52--

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|Slurpee|:

i just cant get it to work correctly

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Cromz:

|Slurpee|, heh I was tell virginia2 that..

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Cromz:

|Slurpee|, I dunno Debian yet. I use fedora.

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|Slurpee|:

everyone uses fedora these days

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|Slurpee|:

ive been thinking about switching because it seems much easier

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|Slurpee|:

more support and everyone is using it

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gakalkag:

<-debian :)

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virginia2:

Fedora is nice

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Kel-kippin:

anyone any ideas why "mythtv ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in my sudoers is still making mythtv ask for a password?

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virginia2:

well i cant seem to find anything bout this remote control and linux

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virginia2:

anyone can recomend a RC for me

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sona:

lirc

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|Slurpee|:

gakal, what kinda tv tuner u got

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gakalkag:

got a pvr 500, but i gave it away. lots my cabeltv :(

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gakalkag:

just orders two technotrend s1500 :)

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jd86:

I"m taking the time to update my myth setup with a new checkout from svn. Now i'm wondering is there any way of speeding up the frontend overall?

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gakalkag:

dvb-s card

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|Slurpee|:

well i have no clue on how to setup my pvr-150

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|Slurpee|:

any links to guides or help ?

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gakalkag:

lots of guides around

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|Slurpee|:

any basic apt-get commands ? :)

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|Slurpee|:

is it it harder to do\

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Juski:

gakalhag: you do know you can't just use 2 sat tuners on the same dish, don't you?

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gakalkag:

twin lnb

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: I set up my 150 in less than an hour yesterday

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gakalkag:

i guess?

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Juski:

gakalkag: yep :)

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jd86:

Juski: hi

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Juski:

hiya jd86

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jd86:

Ugh what a pain if this doesn't go smoothly

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Juski:

in asnwer to your question about speeding up the frontend.. not really

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jd86:

well i have other problems as well

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jd86:

i wish it would work without dieing or anything :-\

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jd86:

hopefully if this update goes well, things will work better

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Juski:

not even mine falls over

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|Slurpee|:

juski, u running debian ?

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jd86:

and i'm having other problems now, i used to have a card hooked up to my digital box and now theres wierd card problems

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: ubuntu

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Juski:

same diff... just about

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jd86:

whats Big Endian when ./configuring?

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Juski:

if you don't know, you shouldn't be playing with it

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Juski:

;)

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jd86:

good answer

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Juski:

I dunno

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|Slurpee|:

juski, did u follow a guide ?

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jd86:

if this compiles i'll be a very happy person :)

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: yes... the ivtv guide and erm... the arabaccio guide.. google for ubuntu & mythtv

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|Slurpee|:

switch to ubuntu ?

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jd86:

have there been major updates from 10/26/2005 and today in SVN?

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gakalkag:

no need to switch to ubuntu just to get mythtv work. stay wit debian ;)

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Juski:

no don't switch to ubuntu

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Juski:

can I offer you some advice? well I will anyway... don't be scared... it's easy to get yourself in the mindset of "CAN'T" if it's new

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jd86:

i'm getting a cold. i CAN'T stand colds

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Cromz:

mornin Juski ( heh yeah I know it's like 3pm for you )

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: the process goes as follows.. download the ivtv source. download your kernel sources & headers.. compile ivtv & copy the newly built modules into the correct directory.. and don't forget to copy the firmware to where hotplug lives

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Juski:

mornin Cromz

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|Slurpee|:

juski, i suck ....

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: wrong attitude!

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|Slurpee|:

i dont know how to do that stuff

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Juski:

so.. do you want it to work or do you wanna give up & be a windows loser?

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Juski:

have you ever made your own kernel?

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Juski:

have you ever compiled anything?

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Juski:

if the answer to any of those questions is "no" ***do not panic !!!***

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|Slurpee|:

no and no

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|Slurpee|:

i want to work

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|Slurpee|:

i woke up early on this sunday to work on it all day

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Cromz:

lol

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|Slurpee|:

it was hard enough to get all my hardware to gether that i ordered and put it all together, now i got debian srage stable 3.1 loaded

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|Slurpee|:

with the 2.4 kernal

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Juski:

about this time last year right.. I'd never used linux, let alone compiled anything.. "it's too hard" I moaned.. "I'm not brainy enough" I wailed. BOLLOCKS

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Juski:

2.4 kernel? oh dear

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|Slurpee|:

i used linux every day as i work at an isp

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|Slurpee|:

but ive never really compiled something that wasnt already written in a script

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|Slurpee|:

someone in here told me to upgrade to 2.4 kernal to get my video working

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Juski:

it _looks_ more complex than it actually _is_

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|Slurpee|:

but i still havent gotten video working

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|Slurpee|:

willing to give me a helping hand ?

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Juski:

who told you to use a 2.4 kernel?

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|Slurpee|:

not sure it was a couple of days ago at like 3 am cst

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laga:

to upgrade to a 2.4 kernel? oh my god, are you running debian woody or something?

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|Slurpee|:

sarge

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Juski:

are you the guy with that weird video chipset, Slurpee?

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|Slurpee|:

i dont think so ?

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|Slurpee|:

i have an onboard video and fx5200

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|Slurpee|:

i wondered if that caused some issues, but no chipset problems

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darkdrgn2k:

why does mounting an NFS fs take so long?

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Juski:

there was someone who had a vid device that only had drivers for 2.4

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|Slurpee|:

that colda been me ?

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|Slurpee|:

but the fx5200 is a very popular card

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|Slurpee|:

lots of people in this channel said to use it

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|Slurpee|:

and ive seen it used in plenty of guides

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: cos.. you've not got erm... portmap running on the client

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: no way do you _need_ a 2.4 kernel for nvidia cards

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|Slurpee|:

k

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|Slurpee|:

must not be me then

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darkdrgn2k:

what does portmap do?

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|Slurpee|:

so were shall we start ...

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|Slurpee|:

switch to differnt kernal? do a fresh install of a dif distro? work on my cap card? work on vid card ?

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Juski:

whoever told you that was either being cruel or didn't know what they were talking about

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: apt get nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel

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Juski:

but change your kernel to a recent-ish 2.6 first

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|Slurpee|:

mythtv:~# apt-get nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel

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|Slurpee|:

E: Invalid operation nvidia-glx

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darkdrgn2k:

what does portmap do?

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|Slurpee|:

so that means go to 2.6 kernal

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: sets up some erm.. stuff that'll make nfs mounting much, much quicker

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: good enough i guess

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Juski:

needs to be running on both sides actually.. it is by default on gentoo (as I found) but not on ubuntu

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: portmap on both sides?

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|Slurpee|:

is there an easy apt-get command for kernal upgrade ?

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Juski:

yes.. each end needs to be running portmap.. helps a _lot_

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gakalkag:

apt-get linux-image-2.6.12-1–686 or someting

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gakalkag:

try to search: apt-cache search kernel 2.6

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: is nfs faster then smb?

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laga:

|Slurpee|: apt-get install nvidial-glx

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laga:

|Slurpee|: apt-get install nvidia-glx

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: dunno

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|Slurpee|:

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

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|Slurpee|:

E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: any particular reason why you're not running a noobish distro when you are so inexperienced?

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|Slurpee|:

i use debian at work everyday

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|Slurpee|:

i can figure out how to seutp mail and web servers in slack

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darkdrgn2k:

|Slurpee|: appernetly ony gui interfaces :-P

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Juski:

use != know about

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|Slurpee|:

no i dont kno how to use kde or gnome

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|Slurpee|:

all command

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|Slurpee|:

but its not very dificult to learn the commands i use

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gakalkag:

debian is easy. you can apt-get everything

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|Slurpee|:

exactly

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laga:

i got the nvidia-glx packages for my debian sarge from the debian package tracker, used dpkg -i to install them and apt-get -f install to resolve dependencies.

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|Slurpee|:

ive never setup nething outside of apt-get

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|Slurpee|:

maybe my source list needs updating ?

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|Slurpee|:

do i need to add nivida to the source list ?

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gakalkag:

sure

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|Slurpee|:

specific site ?

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laga:

|Slurpee|: it's possible that you have to add repositories like the non-free one

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|Slurpee|:

nvidia.com ?

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Juski:

nvidia don't host the packages

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|Slurpee|:

but like i said...im willing to switch distro

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gakalkag:

oh sorry I missunderstod

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|Slurpee|:

if someone has a distro they are happy with and can help me in that distro, i can switch no problem

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mocker_:

Are their keys to jump directly to things like MythVideo?

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: google for nvidia debian

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mocker_:

My remote has buttons like 'My Music', 'My Pictures', and 'My Videos' so I'm wondering if I can get those to function

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mocker_:

I looked in keys.txt but didn't see much.

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|Slurpee|:

juski, this comcast guy looks good

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|Slurpee|:

my problem is that i kept looking for my specific card and debian

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|Slurpee|:

i didnt think to search nvidia and fx5200

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|Slurpee|:

i mean

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|Slurpee|:

nvidia and debian

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|Slurpee|:

The libraries (sometimes called the "binary driver" or GLX libraries) are distributed in binary form by nVidia, and packaged for Debian in the nvidia-glx package.

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|Slurpee|:

<Juski> nvidia don't host the packages

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|Slurpee|:

nvidia makes the drivers n stuff but wont host it ?

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Juski:

|Slurpee|: don't you worry about that

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Juski:

they make binaries available but leave the packaging to everyone else

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gakalkag:

update4 ur apt sources.list deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free change "no" to ur contry :)

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gakalkag:

as said before the nvidia pacages ar in non-free

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|Slurpee|:

were is sources located ?

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gakalkag:

add non-free after "main" in deb and deb-src

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|Slurpee|:

ahh found it

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Juski:

woo! I fixed my script

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jcsmith:

juski: inserting the channels into the db?

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Juski:

jcsmith: no not yet

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Juski:

just reworked my other scripts to work better (i.e. all the time)

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|Slurpee|:

Once you've chosen a distribution, put its value into a shell variable NVDIST, by executing one of the following lines:

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|Slurpee|:

NVDIST=testing

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|Slurpee|:

NVDIST=unstable

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|Slurpee|:

im running stable

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|Slurpee|:

stables is testing ?

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riddlebox:

I want to write a script that will add manual recordings into mythbackend, I found the mysql database/table but after I insert the data, and run mythbackend --resched I never see my schedule?

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jd86:

wow it worked....

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Juski:

erm.. when you're working with external channel change scripts, can you have offsets? I need to have my external channels numbered in such a way as they don't conflict with anything else

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Juski:

eg. my cable channels might be 1 to 250 on the cable box, but I want them to be like 501 + in mythtv

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laga:

you could easily change that in your script, i guess

[16:01:00]

Juski:

hmmm...

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Juski:

or just put '500' in front of my 'real' channel numbers, and strip off the '500' in the script

[16:02:00]

Juski:

is there a limit to channel number length in mythtv?

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Kelerion:

5 chars

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Juski:

5 chars? wah!

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Kelerion:

but freqid is 10 chars.. and thats the field you need to pass to your changer script

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Juski:

ahhh

[16:05:00]

Juski:

nifty

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Juski:

so you can choose the field to pass?

[16:05:00]

Kelerion:

nope.. it passes freqid

[16:05:00]

Juski:

ahh

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Kelerion:

at least.. thats what I have to do with my 250

[16:05:00]

Juski:

kewl anyway :)

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i take it you got the ir blaster to work with your 150

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Kelerion:

the guys that use zap listings get that field filled into automatically.. we (well, I!) have to do it manually because the xml grammber doesn't do it right

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: not using an IR blaster

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: what are you using?

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Kelerion:

btw.. anyone using firefox under xp having problems with it freezing? I've noticed it for the last few weeks

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Juski:

my cable box can take an http request to change channels :-D

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darkdrgn2k:

wow

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Kelerion:

Juski.. does that dbox work fine with ntl? and where did you get it?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: what are the firmware files you need for pvr agian?

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darkdrgn2k:

how can i change the prefence order of my tuners

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Juski:

Kelerion: I'm not at liberty to answer that question

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: it's all listed on the ivtv howto

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Kelerion:

okies.. lol

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: does it include adding the tuners in a specific order?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: does the MASTER BACKEN need a tuner?

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: dunno

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darkdrgn2k:

is it posible to add multile lineups to one source?

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Juski:

right.. got my script working with '500' offsets.. as in '5001' to '500250'

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darkdrgn2k:

grrr how do you set the hostname in linux

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Juski:

/etc/hostname

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Juski:

write the hostname in that file

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jd86:

is mythweb in svn totally not working?

[16:20:00]

Juski:

jd86: yes it's totally working

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jd86:

like recently? ok then i need your help

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Juski:

jd86: read the readme.txt file

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jd86:

where do you set the mysql stuff now... i mean it wasn't in config/conf.php

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jd86:

you mean README?

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Juski:

yeh

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jd86:

i did

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jd86:

October 19, 2005

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jd86:

<< little outdated?

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Juski:

nope

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jd86:

well mythweb looks totally different now than it did a couple of months ago :-\

[16:22:00]

Juski:

you put the db parameters in .htaccess

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jd86:

oh

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jd86:

heh

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jd86:

ok sorry

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jd86:

i feel idiotic i didn't know they moved that stuff

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laga:

there's a README

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Juski:

hell .. Turkey is awash with bird 'flu :-O

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laga:

yeah. i saw a quote of some guy who said that he'd rather have his two wifes (sp?) taken away than his chicken

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jd86:

wow alot has changed

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Juski:

rather dubious.. wonder who he'd rather... ermm.. let's not go there ;)

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laga:

Juski: well. women cost money, birds bring money ;)

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jd86:

still slow but i guess theres nothing i can do about that

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Juski:

cost money? got the wrong one if that's the case

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Cardoe:

and we're not talking about a couple of bucks

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Cardoe:

Juski: wtf.. you got one that ends up in the positive column?

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laga:

Juski: well. turkey. this guy lived in the country somewhere and i suppose his women don't work ;).

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Juski:

proper partnership here.. nobody takes liberties with money ;)

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Cardoe:

ha!

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laga:

Cardoe: though it's amazing how little money you have to spend to keep SWMBO happy ;)

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Cardoe:

she's pulled the veil over your eyes.

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Cardoe:

SWMBO?

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Juski:

she who must be obeyed

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** Cardoe can't follow all the acronyms **

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laga:

she who must be obeyed

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jd86:

Record at any time on channel 27. does this option mean record this show when ever its on that channel?

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Cardoe:

yes

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Juski:

that's generally what 'anytime' means isn't it? ;)

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Cardoe:

jd86: that's been in there for ages.

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jd86:

That specific show.. for instance if i do that for Law & Order, will it record that episode whenever or all Law & Orders that are on?

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jd86:

I know and i never really knew its functionality completely

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** Juski would like a 'record, even when the series has finished and there are no re-runs' **

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Cromz:

ugh I hope this stops the lockups on my myth / fileserver box. disabling the on-board network and using a pci network card. ( Cromz crosses fingers )

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jd86:

hopefully this fixes mythfrontend crashing when leaving "Watch Recording"

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Juski:

I'll have to resume development work on my CAT5 video sender this week

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jcsmith:

i have _lots_ of mp3's i've ripped from cd's in the past, can mythmusic lookup the album art for cd's which have been previously ripped or only cd's that mythmusic is used to rip?

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Cardoe:

It's called... rm -rf QT

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Cardoe:

that fixes so many problems

[16:45:00]

laga:

jcsmith: i don't think that mythmusic does artwork lookup at all

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jcsmith:

laga: i was under the impression it would do album art if it was used to rip the cd, but perhaps i am wrong

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laga:

jcsmith: try it :)

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laga:

i'm afk, see ya later

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jcsmith:

i don't have any cd's that need ripping right now

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jcsmith:

i'm more interested in getting and having mythmusic display the album art for the cd's i already have ripped

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tweak_st:

anybody know a stable svn?

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kcody:

off-topic quickie: anyone know why an idle network card would show 80% traffic load?

[16:52:00]

kcody:

yet, i fire up the frontend, and it doesn't seem to have bandwidth problems...

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tanq:

what are you using to get that information?

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kcody:

gnome system load applet

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kcody:

cpu load looks like an EKG readout too

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kcody:

could this be my culprit: (from cat /proc/interrupts)

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kcody:

11: 24476652 XT-PIC yenta, yenta, uhci_hcd:usb1, CS46XX, eth0, ltserial

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fdsd:

hey guys, is mythtv dead? They havent updated the website since May 2005? any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

no, just haven't had a release in a while

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GreyFoxx:

It's very much alive and actively being developed

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fdsd:

lack of interest?

[17:07:00]

GreyFoxx:

a new version will be out anytime now

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fdsd:

only for developers?

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fdsd:

are they going to put it on the website?

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GreyFoxx:

of course

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fdsd:

ok

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fdsd:

everyone thinks mythtv is dead

[17:08:00]

** _willcooke_ doesnt **

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GreyFoxx:

Everyone is wrong

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fdsd:

ok

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Cromz:

lol

[17:08:00]

fdsd:

the guys on engadget said it was dead on their podcast

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GreyFoxx:

You just have to watch the mailing lists, or the svn commit logs to see that

[17:08:00]

fdsd:

so thats why I was worried

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_willcooke_:

they lie

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GreyFoxx:

They haven't got a clue then

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fdsd:

really, they seem pretty up on things

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GreyFoxx:

Well they obviously don't in this case

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fdsd:

it even made it on to digg, not the front page of course

[17:10:00]

GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

[17:10:00]

fdsd:

so how is your winter going guys?

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_willcooke_:

MythTV was awarded "Coolest Software of the Year 2005" by LUGradio (www.lugradio.org)

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|Slurpee|:

r u serious ???

[17:10:00]

|Slurpee|:

nice

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_willcooke_:

:) yeah!

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GreyFoxx:

fdsd: I'd rather it was summer heh

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fdsd:

GreyFoxx, im in san diego, its so nice here

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kcody:

actually GreyFoxx they're absolutely right as well as dead wrong

[17:11:00]

fdsd:

its 80f right now

[17:11:00]

kcody:

one of those perception-is-reality problems

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|Slurpee|:

im in chicago, its 40 degrees and it seems sooooo nice !!

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fdsd:

kcody, thats what I thought

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fdsd:

hahahahh

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fdsd:

|Slurpee|, lol

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kcody:

fdsd i just got running a week or so ago but i can attest, it is FAR from dead

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fdsd:

I am from buffalo NY, so this is PARADISE

[17:11:00]

GreyFoxx:

No, they are wrong, just cause it's and undertstandable mistake don't make it less wrong :)

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kcody:

;) clearly a logical thinker, GreyFoxx. too bad people like us don't run the world.

[17:12:00]

fdsd:

GreyFoxx, yeah I guess the only activity is the irc channel

[17:12:00]

kcody:

fdsd: well, and all the work going into the source tree...

[17:12:00]

GreyFoxx:

And the couple hundred messages a day on the -users and -dev mailing lists

[17:12:00]

fdsd:

kcody, yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and all of the commits into the source

[17:12:00]

fdsd:

true

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kcody:

that still does not add up to a layman's perception that mythtv is viable... and this thread does raise a good point, more visibility would be a good thing

[17:13:00]

fdsd:

best part of living in san diego, besides the weather is the mexican food

[17:14:00]

kcody:

best part of living in boston, besides the weather, is the clean sparkling water and friendly people...

[17:14:00]

GreyFoxx:

kcody: No one really cares if people think it's dead, or use other software. Seriously.

[17:14:00]

fdsd:

we get that here too

[17:14:00]

kcody:

and the high standard of driving training

[17:14:00]

** GreyFoxx hasn't been to Boston in a couple years now **

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fdsd:

people get sun shine here so the are not grummpy

[17:14:00]

** kcody was definitely being facetious. **

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rjune:

our suicidal

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fdsd:

they

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rjune:

gah, or

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fdsd:

heh

[17:15:00]

GreyFoxx:

I liked San Diego

[17:15:00]

kcody:

GreyFoxx: wondering if that oughtn't change... more interest means more end users (guinea pigs) and probably more devs

[17:15:00]

fdsd:

kcody, true

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GreyFoxx:

kcody: I don't think so

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kcody:

not to mention wider hardware testing

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GreyFoxx:

more users sure

[17:16:00]

fdsd:

kcody, plus even an idiot can recommend it to a developer that can contribute. the idiots seem to be the ones sticking it on digg and making software more popular

[17:16:00]

kcody:

GreyFoxx: i haven't seen any other software that does anything REMOTELY like myth... other media centers sure, but not networked

[17:16:00]

kcody:

true

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fdsd:

I have a nokia 770, I do hacking on, if it wasnt for a random slashdot post, I would have never got into developing for it

[17:17:00]

kcody:

i'd been using xawtv with an all-in-wonder radeon (R100) for years

[17:17:00]

kcody:

was looking for software projects and stumbled across myth

[17:17:00]

fdsd:

I am putting together a deb for Minimo right now a mozilla based browser for it

[17:18:00]

fdsd:

kcody, i used xawtv and my bt878 card for years

[17:18:00]

kcody:

fdsd: remember the AIW can only do overlay... no "real" v4l support

[17:18:00]

fdsd:

I do miss the easy channel changing

[17:18:00]

_willcooke_:

fdsd, if you get firefox working on the 770 I think you'll be very popular!

[17:18:00]

fdsd:

_willcooke_, heh well not firefox but Minimo

[17:19:00]

_willcooke_:

fdsd, It comes with opera right?

[17:19:00]

fdsd:

yep

[17:19:00]

_willcooke_:

fdsd, Any good?

[17:19:00]

fdsd:

its not bad if you enable swap

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fdsd:

_willcooke_, needs to be slimmed down a bit, and the rendering speed could be improved, but over all its very good

[17:20:00]

_willcooke_:

I /need/ a 770! :) Everywhere in the UK is out of stock!

[17:20:00]

fdsd:

_willcooke_, ill go to the store right now pick one up for $359 and mail it to you

[17:20:00]

fdsd:

just pay for shipping

[17:21:00]

_willcooke_:

fdsd, You can buy them in stores??! We have to get them from online only

[17:21:00]

fdsd:

yes

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fdsd:

compusa and frys sells them

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kcody:

that's the u.s.a. for you – quick to market because they know there's a herd of cattle waiting to part ways with their money

[17:21:00]

fdsd:

of course

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fdsd:

money is to be spent

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fdsd:

live richly

[17:22:00]

** kcody doesn't have a high opinion of his countrypeoples' connection with reality. **

[17:22:00]

fdsd:

also if you know what your doing you have a couple grand in the bank at all times

[17:23:00]

GreyFoxx:

kcody: Heh

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topping:

or 10x that if you live in new york or sf

[17:23:00]

fdsd:

I love playing flash games on my nokia 770

[17:23:00]

kcody:

yup. actually i like the mattress approach, the gov't is beginning to get the attitude that all your money belongs to U.S. even while it's yours...

[17:23:00]

kcody:

they -will- reach right in and take what they want, and companies are following suit

[17:23:00]

fdsd:

and Gaim, Abiword, xchat, all work great

[17:24:00]

fdsd:

kcody, well of course

[17:24:00]

fdsd:

kcody, I dont mind it because I see a huge tax check every year

[17:24:00]

kcody:

phone company had the balls to process a payment on a credit card they happened to have on file, without authorization or even sending a bill

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen that happen

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kcody:

caused an overdraft of course... and now verizon wants me to pay them a fee for the failed fraudulent transaction!

[17:25:00]

kcody:

what i -ought- to be doing is indicting them for credit card fraud, but these days laws only apply to individuals.

[17:25:00]

fdsd:

heh, your bank doesnt have over draft protection?

[17:26:00]

kcody:

fdsd: wouldn't want it, i'd rather see the transaction bounce

[17:26:00]

fdsd:

yeah, but at my bank I can dispute it

[17:26:00]

fdsd:

and they typically refund me the money

[17:26:00]

kcody:

"With over draft protection, we'll be sure the credit card thief can take much more money than you actually have..."

[17:26:00]

fdsd:

dispute it

[17:26:00]

kcody:

valid until proven fraudlent.

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topping:

is there a way to get job queue functions to be more aggressive about using the CPU

[17:27:00]

fdsd:

I agree

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topping:

I have 175 job queue entries and would like to get done sooner

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topping:

load average is 0.02

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fdsd:

I bought some carne asada fries last night, and I couldnt finish them, I think I am going to eat them for breakfast

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fdsd:

lol

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furfurfur:

ok – silly question. Added a DVB-T usb stick to my DVB-S system. Seems to work OK, scan for channels was fine, channels were added

[17:28:00]

furfurfur:

But my frontend can't see the new channels!

[17:28:00]

fdsd:

http://homepage.mac.com/dstimm/Photo%201.jpg

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fdsd:

fun stuff

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furfurfur:

anyway idea what I need to do to kick it into action?

[17:30:00]

kcody:

here's a brain teaser: why would i be seeing cable signal problems at night but not during the day

[17:30:00]

fdsd:

kcody, someone is stealing your cable!

[17:30:00]

kcody:

manually connecting their wire at night????

[17:30:00]

fdsd:

yep

[17:32:00]

kcody:

hmm, could be... but the demarc is right outside my window, i'd see if someone was in it

[17:32:00]

** furfurfur grins **

[17:32:00]

kcody:

it's a largeish rooming house, like a dozen rooms

[17:32:00]

kcody:

has its own fiber feed i think

[17:33:00]

kcody:

thta pic you, fdsd?

[17:33:00]

Juski:

jcsmith: you mentioned album art earlier.. you not been keeping up to date with the users mailing list? somebody made a script

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fdsd:

kcody, yeah

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kcody:

looks like you're at work

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fdsd:

I was at work

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kcody:

ahh

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fdsd:

Im a tech for apple

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kcody:

should hope so anyway, so many i.d. badges at home can only mean a little side business....

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fdsd:

heh

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kcody:

you might be able to easily pin something going back and forth last night...

[17:35:00]

kcody:

powerbook G3 800, is that old enough to have the shitty graphics driver under osx

[17:35:00]

fdsd:

tibook?

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kcody:

not sure, someone was in here last night with symptoms that looked an awful lot like unaccelerated video

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fdsd:

yeah it would suck for mythfrontend

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fdsd:

it has a ati rage card

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kcody:

RV250 chipset, only excuse for sucking is a crap driver

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fdsd:

which BLOWS

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GreyFoxx:

Does Quicktimes ScaleMatrix() function use any sure or hardware acceleration or it all in CPU? I think that's what was killing him

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fdsd:

it does if you have quartz extreme

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kcody:

there's the guy's answer then, grey...

[17:37:00]

fdsd:

you need 10.3 or higher with at least a 9200

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh

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kcody:

9200? meaning radeon 9200?

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fdsd:

yes

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kcody:

then, R200 or better chipset

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GreyFoxx:

Then he's doing software scaling which is his killer

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fdsd:

there are ways to force quartz extreme

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fdsd:

yeah his gpu is not doing anything

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kcody:

surprised the software -display- isn't killing him, never mind with scaling

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fdsd:

Core Video is what makes it scale very well, I dont know if mythfrontend takes advantage of it though

[17:39:00]

fdsd:

it should

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kcody:

fdsd: went through this last night, mythfrontend uses quicktime for output on macs

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fdsd:

10.4 only with at least a 9250 or 5200 (Geforce)

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fdsd:

kcody, okay, then it should support corevideo

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fdsd:

meaning any new g5 or powerbook would fly using mythfrontend

[17:40:00]

kcody:

something that new should fly without hardware acceleration

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kcody:

apple's got their heads a bit up their ass about older hardware support, imho

[17:40:00]

fdsd:

yeah but it takes ALL the the strain off the cpu and memory

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kcody:

which is very valuable on older hardware, and qualifies only as 'cool' with bleeding edge silicon

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fdsd:

kcody, well steve jobs came back into the company to improve it, not to support legacy crap

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kcody:

<---- works in the printing industry. steve jobs is like -this close- to pissing off every single one of his best customers... because he's not supporting legacy crap.

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fdsd:

he wanted to get away from motorola, and he thought IBM would speed up his machines, which they did, but its costs apple so much while he could have just switched to intel..

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GreyFoxx:

how old do you consider legacy ?

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fdsd:

kcody, well, are you talking about os9?

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kcody:

me? i'd expect G3 to be solidly supported, and PIII in the pc world

[17:42:00]

kcody:

fdsd: no, we're on 10.3. we were happier on os9.

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fdsd:

I think anything before a tibook 800 is condidered legacy

[17:42:00]

fdsd:

10.3 at least!

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kcody:

yeah 10.2 wasn't worth the box it was shipped in

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topping:

fdsd: i was on the original PPC team... intel was a POS processor back in 1992

[17:43:00]

fdsd:

yeah horrid OS

[17:43:00]

fdsd:

topping, it was

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kcody:

9 was solid and did everything digital prepress could want, smoothly and reliably.

[17:43:00]

fdsd:

but PPC got out classed by faster buses and high cost

[17:43:00]

kcody:

but then 10.3 comes out, with a slew of no-longer-compatible apps, users start sending files from adobe creative suite and quarkXpress 6

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Cardoe:

topping: All the engineering in the world can't beat marketing

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kcody:

and literally, in one hour, our hardware goes from kickass to substandard

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fdsd:

kcody, maybe in your world, Extention issues, VM issues.. I hated OS(

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fdsd:

OS9

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kcody:

fdsd: as a desktop for myself i'd agree. for paper-graphics design, it couldn't be beat.

[17:44:00]

fdsd:

kcody, even with 10.3 OSX was very new

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topping:

intel is a better brute-force processor now. the underlying architecture still sucks rocks, but they have tuned the clunker to be better than ppc

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kcody:

fdsd: haven't tried 10.4, my boss is too cheap

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fdsd:

its nice

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kcody:

:p as a computer geek i'm sure i'd agree... i have my doubts whether they've addressed the print-sector's issues

[17:45:00]

fdsd:

but its nice though, 10.4 runs faster than 10.3 on any machine

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sPiN:

guys... panthers game in 15 minutes! i finally managed to get my 3 screens going, 2 crts on nvidia 6600GT and 1 tv on a pci g4mx

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topping:

kcody: i bet most of your problems are with the prepress software companies. OS9 was an application execution shell, not an operating system

[17:45:00]

kcody:

the geforce 4 mx good for myth output?

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fdsd:

topping, true, but developers are not writing their code for altivec and optimizing for the ppc cpu

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sPiN:

however whenever i start mythtv on the tv, it looks fine, but when i hit watch tv, it just says 1:tuner, and it worked fine on my crts last time i tried it before i got the tv hooked up

[17:46:00]

sPiN:

suggestions?

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topping:

fdsd: so isn't that also a developer problem?

[17:46:00]

kcody:

topping: most. in their defense, Extensis didn't have to deal with such an immature clusterfuck writing Suitcase for 9.

[17:46:00]

fdsd:

topping, sure

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topping:

developers need money, the mac is a small market ATM.... that's when things will change

[17:47:00]

kcody:

even with the 3rd party apps, font handling just sucks ass under 10.3

[17:47:00]

fdsd:

topping, I think for PPC its killer was the ablity to pump out faster cpus on a timely manner

[17:47:00]

topping:

kcody: i see what you are getting at now

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topping:

fdsd: yes, ppc is (or was) much more scalable

[17:48:00]

kcody:

800 MHz is still more than enough if all your I/O is hardware accelerated.

[17:48:00]

fdsd:

yeah but most of it isnt

[17:48:00]

kcody:

yeah.

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fdsd:

thats why I like the new ibooks

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fdsd:

they have a corevideo gpu, ddr2, 5400 rpm harddrive, 512mb default, and the machine FLYies

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kcody:

right. grab on to them now, with acceleration, and sooner or later some asshole will socially engineer a mass O.S. change which doesn't accelerate your hardware, mandating a new machine.

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kcody:

does sound like a decent set of specs

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topping:

kcody: OS-X is going to be around for a long time

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fdsd:

for $999, I cant wait to see what Macworld gives us

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kcody:

topping: i would hope so

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fdsd:

considering MACOSX on intel is soo fast, I would be surprised if they didnt release a intel ibook or mac mini on tuesday

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sPiN:

crap it used to work, i have no idea what happened

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kcody:

macosx on intel? what?

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kcody:

full carbon library support?

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sPiN:

it just says 1:tuner on the screen and doesnt show tv :(

[17:51:00]

fdsd:

but they better have Office, and all the main software people need as a universal binary

[17:51:00]

fdsd:

kcody, of course

[17:51:00]

kcody:

hadn't heard about this.

[17:51:00]

fdsd:

kcody, http://homepage.mac.com/dstimm/random.jpg

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topping:

fdsd: what's wrong with rosetta?

[17:51:00]

fdsd:

kcody, http://homepage.mac.com/dstimm/random.png

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fdsd:

wrong link

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fdsd:

topping, emulating an app is fine, but slow

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fdsd:

and people wont understand that

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kcody:

fdsd: an onboard coprocessor could work... be a cast iron bitch to deal with the bus sharing issues though

[17:53:00]

fdsd:

they will go buy a new ibook and use their old software from OS 10.2 and wonder why their new computer is performing like their old one

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topping:

i'd bet that office is ported cuz microsoft loves getting involved with new apple initiatives

[17:53:00]

fdsd:

topping, yeah I think it will be

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fdsd:

RIGHT away

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kcody:

fdsd: only viable way i think would be to offer software trade-ins, or discounted dual architecture licensing

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topping:

gives them an excuse to really understand them and emulate the good parts sooner

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fdsd:

and they better offer a free download to anyone that currenly bought it

[17:54:00]

fdsd:

kcody, I sure hope so

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topping:

when i was on the 6100/7100/8100 project, we got back a prerelease PPC machine that was on loan to microsoft... it didn't work

[17:54:00]

fdsd:

kcody, adobe does that now, if your a pc user and you want to trade that in for a mac version they will send you a new version for free as long as you mail them your old disk

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kcody:

if they aren't clear and generous about this, the move could wipe out what little customer loyalty apple has left

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topping:

on closer inspection, all of the chips had been desoldered so the PCB could be put on a "bed of nails"

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fdsd:

kcody, they have a huge loyal fanbase, trust me thats not an issue

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fdsd:

topping, lol

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fdsd:

kcody, and its growing at a huge huge rate

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kcody:

fdsd: a fanbase is something to think about. entire industries of business users are something to cater to.

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kcody:

and we ain't being catered to

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fdsd:

kcody, businesses dont care, they buy new software, its the college students and such I see having an issue

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sPiN:

anyone else ever had this problem? where myth just says 1:tuner when you hit 'watch tv'

[17:56:00]

kcody:

now, i don't personally think it's all that bad – until i have to explain to the computer illiterate bosses and support users that can't for the life of them understand why their computers are less reliable than their toasters

[17:56:00]

fdsd:

sPiN, nope

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fdsd:

kcody, but it shouldnt be less reliable maybe just slower than a native app

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kcody:

fdsd: thriving business buy new software. ailing businesses, which is the backbone of the economy at the moment, beg borrow steal and maybe upgrade if absolutely necessary.

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kcody:

fdsd: there are two reasons to buy a new computer (for a business): support some new software app customers are demanding, or buy an improvement in performance. there is no such thing as a good excuse here.

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fdsd:

kcody, well typically those companies are not buying brand new intel macs

[17:58:00]

kcody:

fdsd: also true

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fdsd:

and keeping all their old software

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kcody:

fyi i won't allow macos9 emulation at the office, we keep a couple actual macos9 boxen for that

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topping:

kcody: eventually software businesses realize this and lower their software prices

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topping:

adobe CS is a pretty good value compared to a decade ago

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fdsd:

yeah the intel mac is not really an upgrade for exsiting mac users, because they will need to buy new software for it to be Native, but thats why apple made rosetta

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kcody:

topping: agreed about that, although i haven't gotten him to buy cs2 yet

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topping:

i can't even afford cs1 yet, if you see what i mean :-)

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Flimzy:

Does anyone here have experience using a DCT62xx with mythtv?

[18:00:00]

kcody:

Flimzy: no, i'm still waiting for comcast to drop off the box ;)

[18:01:00]

Flimzy:

kcody, heh

[18:01:00]

Flimzy:

I've had mine for ~4 months now

[18:01:00]

Flimzy:

free stuff is cool

[18:01:00]

kcody:

fdsd: anyway, i didn't plan on reenacting -that- civil war yet again...

[18:01:00]

fdsd:

I get every new imac or mac mini, and I have to say they rock

[18:01:00]

sPiN:

ohhh man i got !

[18:01:00]

kcody:

apologies for making you deal with work stuff on sunday...

[18:01:00]

fdsd:

kcody, no war here

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sPiN:

it was the damn channel! it was a blank one! i feel stupid now, if i hadnt noticed some fuzz i never would have realized

[18:02:00]

kcody:

i'm actually thinking i don't give a shit, these are my boss's problems and it's sunday.

[18:02:00]

kcody:

sPiN: may that be your stinkiest brainfart today.

[18:02:00]

fdsd:

heh

[18:02:00]

kcody:

now, where did i put that remote... lol

[18:03:00]

sPiN:

haha kcody

[18:03:00]

kcody:

Flimzy: so how's it working out?

[18:03:00]

sPiN:

just in the nick of time, the panthers game is starting

[18:03:00]

sPiN:

i would have hate to have loss face in front of my friends :P

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fdsd:

its like last night I am staying in a hotel in cupertino, and I only had a couch in my room, and I was like wtf, because the other bedroom was used by another roommate that is with me at mac world, so I just figured there was no bed, well I slept on the couch and when I woke up he came out of his room and said you do know that is a pull out right

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fdsd:

I felt like a newb

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kcody:

lol fdsd... i've done that but there was usually alcohol involved

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kcody:

right now even -text- is rock stable. ntsc can't look better than it is right now...

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kcody:

and last night it was doing everything short of tapdancing

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fdsd:

I was so mad, I forgot my nokia 770 in my car at the airport

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fdsd:

so I dont have it with me for macworld!

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fdsd:

arg!

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kcody:

that's a rough trip fdsd.

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Baylink:

Ick. How do you like it?

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fdsd:

I have my powerbook

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Baylink:

(and how much did you pay for it? :-)

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fdsd:

I love it

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fdsd:

$309

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Baylink:

THank ghod for early-adopters. :-)

[18:09:00]

fdsd:

$50 off from nokia

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fdsd:

heh

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kyu_flux:

i'm using knoppmyth and notice that according to the MythTV instructions, there should be "transcoders" and "hardware mpeg encoders" recording profiles...

[18:10:00]

kyu_flux:

i'm using a PVR-150... mine came blank, so I added a custom recording profile... I assume this isn't correct, and is some artifact of knoppmyth but i'd like someone to confirm...

[18:10:00]

Flimzy:

How can I determine what node I need to use to communicate with a DCT6200?

[18:10:00]

kcody:

GreyFoxx: what would be the "best" approach for eliminating the vbi data? should i be trying to crop it at the frontend?

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fdsd:

will the new version of Mythtv that is coming out, be able to talk to a data base from 18.1?

[18:11:00]

kcody:

fdsd: i asked this about the cvs awhile ago.

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kcody:

it is inline upgradable but you can't go back, and you have to upgrade all components at once.

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fdsd:

kcody, last time I was running cvs, then upgraded to 18 I had alot of issues

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kcody:

s/cvs/svn

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kcody:

i asked this the other day about going from 18.1 to the trunk

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fdsd:

yeah I wonder about that too

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fdsd:

its cool if I wanted to start over, but I have so much data

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fdsd:

I wish I had a high def card

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kyu_flux:

if anyone can tell me how to get the transcoders recording profile option, I'd appreciate it...

[18:16:00]

kcody:

kyu_flux: probably knoppmyth, my gentoo box autoconfigured that

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fdsd:

250 card still the best card to buy for mythtv right?

[18:17:00]

kyu_flux:

really... that's interesting kcody..

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kcody:

i'm satisfied with the 150mce

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fdsd:

I love my 250

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kyu_flux:

damn I just want to use knoppmyth to get a feel for myth – I was thinking about installing it from scratch on my slackware box

[18:17:00]

kcody:

major screwing with lirc to get the remote working, and i don't have i.r. blasting but don't need it

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fdsd:

kyu_flux, use gentoo

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fdsd:

kyu_flux, ivtv and mythtv are just a emerge away

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kcody:

ivtv 0.4.0 should be fine, i did write ebuilds for 0.4.1 but haven't posted them anywhere

[18:18:00]

darkdrgn2k:

does each myth backend have its own settings?

[18:18:00]

kyu_flux:

you know, not to slam knoppmyth, but the instructions for generic myth are a little inconsistent with knoppmyth...

[18:18:00]

fdsd:

why use knoppmyth

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fdsd:

I find it such a waste

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kcody:

not familiar with knoppix, but i don't see gentoo's ability to optimize being beat

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darkdrgn2k:

any ont here use a framgrabber tuner for myth?

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kyu_flux:

I mean it has its benefits – in particular it lets someone see if myth will be sufficient

[18:19:00]

kcody:

if you're going to actually -try- to do this with say a P3–500, gentoo's the way

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kyu_flux:

I've pretty much deteremined it will be [up to the XBMC issue but that's another story =)]

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fdsd:

gentoo is they way anyway:)

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Flimzy:

I'm getting errors from liiec61883 that say "No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63" What does this mean? Is it something to be concerned about?

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kyu_flux:

oh nah i'm running a P4/3.0 GHz – i'm not too concerned with speed

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kyu_flux:

mayme my 150MCE won't ever be able to get rid of the horizontal lines effect, but... that's what i'm testing out

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kcody:

horizontal lines effect?

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fdsd:

kyu_flux, but knoppmyth has no optimzations for a p4 3.0ghz, Hell I am running dual xeons at 3.0ghz and the only distro I would trust with that is gentoo

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kyu_flux:

yeah I recorded a show this morning and whenever the camera pans sharply I get these horizontal lines all over the place

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kcody:

sound like overly aggressive dnr?

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GreyFoxx:

kyu_flux: enable deinterlacing ?

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Flimzy:

Whhoo!

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Flimzy:

I can see TV over firewire

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Flimzy:

They're selling flavor injectors

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Flimzy:

woot!

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kcody:

oh wait... when it pans. that could also be bitrate.

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kyu_flux:

I was thinking it was the bitrate so I just maxed it out to mess around =) but it's not deinterlacing

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GreyFoxx:

It's likely interlacing effects

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kcody:

Flimzy: how does it react to the cable remote control being used

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kyu_flux:

well i'm fairly sure it's not interlacing – it's on a recorded show and I don't see any interlacing options for recorded profiles

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kcody:

hmm... which deinterlacer is in use

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Flimzy:

kdoy: haven't tried that yet

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Flimzy:

kcody: There is much I have not yet done.

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GreyFoxx:

kyu_flux: It comes in interlaced. Go to the playback settings and turn on deinterlacing

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kyu_flux:

how do I find out? (I just set this all up this morning)

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kcody:

'bob' really messed up on mine

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kyu_flux:

(I wasn't playing it on the myth box when I saw the issues)

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Flimzy:

It changes the channel successfully over fireweire

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Flimzy:

that's spiff

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kcody:

kyu_flux: deinterlacing occurs at playback. try playing the nuv file from the command line with something you know to work.

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Flimzy:

The biggest challenge I think will be to try to figure out how to record some channels over firewire, and others over the PVR, from the same DCT

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kcody:

Flimzy: why would you do that

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Flimzy:

kcody: Because I want to receive all my channels, not just the ones that aren't encrypted

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kcody:

Flimzy: try one of them, i think the comcast box decrypts?

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kyu_flux:

linear blend

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kyu_flux:

deinterlace

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Flimzy:

kcody: Sure it decrypts... But not over firewire.

[18:25:00]

Flimzy:

kcody: Over firewire, you can only get unencrypted channels. Which usually just means analog and broadcasted HD channels.

[18:25:00]

Flimzy:

kcody: Here, all of the digital channels that aren't bbroadcast off-air are encrypted. I'd be surprised if you found a cable provider that did it differently.

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kcody:

dunno where you are, but the comcast people told me they'd been ordered to turn firewire on for all channels

[18:26:00]

kcody:

could have been bullshitting me though

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Baylink:

Flimzy, they're encrypted as they come out *your* side of the box? Cause maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the FCC required the firewire to be usable, if downrezzed.

[18:27:00]

Baylink:

I *know* they're encrypted on the wire...

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the module for the SIS audio onboard thign

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kyu_flux:

you know I might just install a real distribution (ie: gentoo) and be done with it – i'm not really sure why I don't get any transcoders

[18:27:00]

Flimzy:

Baylink: It requires the firewire link, yes. But AFAIK, it doesn't require the firewire output unencrypted data.

[18:27:00]

kyu_flux:

it says "Automatically transcode" but I don't get an option on WHAT to transcode it to

[18:27:00]

Juski:

oh yeah.. got mythtv changing channels on my cable box with my custom script now

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Flimzy:

Baylink: I can't watch channel 101... which is encrypted

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banyan:

There's a kernel parameter that keeps the ivtv-fb from clobbering the consoles... anyone remember what the heck that was?

[18:28:00]

Flimzy:

Baylink: I can watch unencrypted streams, tho

[18:28:00]

Flimzy:

The firewire channel basically just outputs the raw stream

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Flimzy:

un-processed

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kcody:

hmm. ok, gotta ask... what encryption methods are they using

[18:29:00]

Flimzy:

5C

[18:29:00]

kcody:

5C??

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Flimzy:

I think I need to turn on some deinterlacing filter

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Flimzy:

but first I should shower, and get ready to go help my boss wire his new house

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Flimzy:

I have a feeling I'll need to use multiple tuners

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Flimzy:

b/c I don't think Myth is gonna work using 1 tuner box with 2 tuner inputts

[18:31:00]

Flimzy:

Man... ABC HD is great! I've never been able to watch HD paid programming before!

[18:31:00]

kcody:

Flimzy: what capture card do you have?

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Flimzy:

kcody: PVR-500

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Flimzy:

and an old WinTV 401, too

[18:32:00]

Flimzy:

hehe

[18:32:00]

Flimzy:

don't think I'll be using that, tho

[18:32:00]

banyan:

PVR 500 does hd?

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Flimzy:

banyan: no

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kcody:

no it doesn't, his firewire is doing that

[18:32:00]

banyan:

Oh, ok.

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Flimzy:

I'll probably get a total of 3 6208's

[18:32:00]

Flimzy:

and set 1 to firewire

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Flimzy:

and the other 2 into the PVR-500

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kcody:

Flimzy: i'd say go grab a pchdtv3000, and use -it- for the unencrypted QAM

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Flimzy:

kcody: Hmm... those cost, what? $300 or so?

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Flimzy:

versus my practically free 6200?

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Flimzy:

no thanks

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

I'll stick with my 6200

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kcody:

170 last i asked

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banyan:

Anyone remember how to load ivtv-fb without kyboshing the console sessions?

[18:33:00]

** Flimzy gets free cable service **

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kcody:

no set top box, no extra subscription charge, no need for external tuner control

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

being an employee of Cox

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kcody:

oic

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kcody:

that's a little different lol

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

I pay like 50% of the box rental

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

but the service is fre

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

hehe

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kyu_flux:

damn auto transcode to divx/xvid seems a little strange

[18:33:00]

Flimzy:

so withh 3 6208's, my monthly bill will be around $15 or so

[18:34:00]

Flimzy:

maybe $20

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kcody:

which means you'd pay for a pchdtv3000 in 9–14 months

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Flimzy:

Right now I have a 6412 phase III (DVR), a 6208, a 2000, and a 2500

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Flimzy:

gonna take screen shots of them

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Flimzy:

kcody: No, the pchdtv3000 would only pay for 1 of the 3 6200's

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Flimzy:

kcody: I still need something to feed the PVR-500

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Flimzy:

rental on a 6200 is normally $9.95

[18:35:00]

Flimzy:

I pay roughly $5

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kyu_flux:

are you kidding me – gentoo's installation is _THIS_ simple?

[18:35:00]

kyu_flux:

I mean `emerge mythtv` installs MySQL and everything?

[18:35:00]

Flimzy:

Are you kidding me – debbian's installation is _THIS_ simple?

[18:36:00]

Flimzy:

I type apt-get mythtv

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kyu_flux:

ok fine debian also

[18:36:00]

Flimzy:

and it installs MySQL and everything?

[18:36:00]

Flimzy:

and doesn't require me to recompile everything arbitrarilly?

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Flimzy:

:P

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** Flimzy likes the Debian gentoo emulator... it writes random stuff to the disk and deletes it over and over again, to emulate the waste that is gentoo's recompile process **

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Flimzy:

kcody: So I would pay for a pchdtv in roughly 36 months.

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banyan:

yum install mythtv also does it for fc4

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Flimzy:

kcody: By then, the DCT6200, and the pchdtv will both be obsolete, no doubt.

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Flimzy:

kcody: the pchdtv will certianly be cheaper by then :)

[18:38:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: what recompile process?

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Cardoe:

it compiles it just once.

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Cardoe:

don't be ignorant

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Cardoe:

and cause debian is sooo simple

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banyan:

So nobody in here is running fc4 with a monitor as well as the tv-out?

[18:38:00]

Cardoe:

because it's maintained in main debian

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Cardoe:

;)

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: Once is one more time than necessary for most people :P

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Flimzy:

(I admit, I did recompile mythtv on my box... but that's b/c I wanted some specific features, and amd64 optimization)

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kcody:

5C doesn't look -that- robust...

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Flimzy:

kcody: Well when you find a crack for it, let us all know :)

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: oh a shock..

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kcody:

Flimzy: i chose gentoo because i want -every- binary to be that optimized.

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: And Gentoo would do that for you out of the box and no dicking around

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: Not if the extra features I wanted didn't exist in gentoo

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Cardoe:

kcody: it's not about optimization... don't be a ricer.

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Cardoe:

it's about customization

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: Name a specific feature you wanted that didn't exist in Gentoo.

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kcody:

Cardoe: it is for me. i want just about everything installed anyway, if that was my logic it would have been fedora.

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: I don't know specifically what exists in Gentoo. but I'm not stupid enough to believe that gentoo, or any other distro in existence, contains every possible feature a person would want.

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: And no, gentoo isn't about customizability. B/c Debian, RH, and any other distro can do that just as well... if not better.

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: all with recompiling and extra repos.

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: Gentoo is about obligatory recompiling.

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kyu_flux:

ok one last question for now – automatic commercial skipping

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: and actually yes, every MythTV feature is available

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Cardoe:

Flimzy: and it's not recompiling... because it's never initially compiled.

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: _true_ customizability and flexibility is about recompiling _when you need to_

[18:42:00]

kyu_flux:

I have it flagging the commercials – does "Automatically transcode" mean it removes them as it has time?

[18:42:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: and unfortunately you're wrong... because binary packages are available

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: So you're telling me that _nobody_ has ever compiled MythTV on Gentoo?

[18:43:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: what? you don't even make sense.

[18:43:00]

kcody:

shoot that one down now; i did – but i had reason, i'm running cvs r300 drivers

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: You're telling me it's not a recompile. I'm telling you it is... b/c somebody has already compiled it, somewhere. The idea of a binary distribution is that we can share that work.

[18:43:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: Stop trying to change the meaning of works to make yourself sound right.

[18:43:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: Anyway, it's obvious we disagree.

[18:43:00]

kcody:

Flimzy: it's not like you have to flip the bits yourself

[18:43:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: and Gentoo is not a binary distribution

[18:43:00]

Cardoe:

so it's not recompiling

[18:44:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: Blah. You're the one changing meanings of words. But nonetheless, it doesn't matter.

[18:44:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: You can use gentoo, and I can avoid it like the plague. And we'll neither be worse off for it. So lets drop it?

[18:44:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: Go grab a dictionary and check every word I used.

[18:44:00]

darkdrgn2k:

whats the module for the SIS audio onboard USE

[18:44:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: and you can just be an ignorant Debian moron.

[18:44:00]

Cardoe:

so yep. I'll drop it.

[18:44:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: Yeah... that'll happen.

[18:45:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: We don't need to call names.

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kcody:

Cardoe: this isn't exactly good p.r.

[18:45:00]

** Cardoe shrugs at kcody **

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Cardoe:

I have no time for ignorant Debian people.

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Flimzy:

Cardoe: I can use Debian, and even believe it to be "better", without calling other people names.

[18:45:00]

kcody:

seems like you've had several minutes here

[18:45:00]

kyu_flux:

all: this kinda started for me – let me take a stab at it

[18:46:00]

kcody:

that, i might add, you've spent like a housewife in a mall

[18:46:00]

** Cardoe shrugs. **

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kyu_flux:

Flimzy: you might have your right to think debian is better than gentoo (or any other distribution) but your smart ass response to my comment was completely unnecessary

[18:46:00]

kyu_flux:

Flimzy: that much you have to agree

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kcody:

are you cute? you can come be my housewife, and blow the dust off my cpu fans when you're bent over. quit being a dick.

[18:46:00]

Flimzy:

kyu_flux: hehe... probably so. I don't even remember the comment any more.

[18:46:00]

kyu_flux:

<kyu_flux> are you kidding me – gentoo's installation is _THIS_ simple?

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the module for the SIS audio onboard USE

[18:47:00]

Cardoe:

kcody: fuck off.

[18:47:00]

kyu_flux:

<Flimzy> Are you kidding me – debbian's installation is _THIS_ simple?

[18:47:00]

Cardoe:

kcody: Who really cares what you have to say.

[18:47:00]

Flimzy:

kyu_flux: Ah, yes

[18:47:00]

Flimzy:

kyu_flux: I guess I wasn't expecting anyone to jump on that smartass comment with a troll war

[18:47:00]

kcody:

thank you for making my point for me.

[18:47:00]

Cardoe:

kcody: Go tweak your CFLAGS to high holy hell.

[18:47:00]

darkdrgn2k:

whats the module for the SIS audio onboard USE

[18:47:00]

kcody:

i really miss human channel ops.

[18:47:00]

kyu_flux:

me, neither

[18:47:00]

Cardoe:

kcody: Go ahead. Ask them to kick me.

[18:48:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: Can you do us all a favor, and treat the people on this channel with some respect? Either by being less annoying to us, or by being quiet?

[18:48:00]

darkdrgn2k:

i feel invisible

[18:48:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k, I think it's called sis-something

[18:48:00]

Cardoe:

Flimzy: if they have no respect to return, why?

[18:48:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: they shoudl be under /lib/modues/version/kernel/sound right?

[18:49:00]

Flimzy:

Cardoe: you have no respect for me, but I'm not returning the disrespect by calling you names. Maybe you could try to be a bigger person, too.

[18:49:00]

kyu_flux:

yeah this knoppmyth won't transcode automagically cause there aren't any transcoders profile groups... wow...

[18:49:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: OSS or ALSA?

[18:49:00]

laga:

kids, play nice!

[18:49:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: i have no idea.. last time it auto detected them...

[18:49:00]

kyu_flux:

guess play time with knoppmyth is over =)

[18:49:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: i though it was alsa but im no longer sure

[18:49:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: hehe. I always compile my own kernels... with the specific spport I need, which narrows down the number of options very easily

[18:50:00]

kcody:

Cardoe: i started with backing you about gentoo. you're a dick. do the world a favor, and never issue another utterance in any venue, ever again.

[18:50:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: i know im lazy

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darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: and cause of that im screwd.. why didint it auto detect!

[18:50:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: whats teh diff between oss and alsa

[18:50:00]

darkdrgn2k:

aside from alsa being the standard now

[18:50:00]

Flimzy:

what sis chipset?

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

OSS is old...

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

has limited features

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

but is also the best/only option for certian chipsets (usually some pretty old ones)

[18:51:00]

darkdrgn2k:

wellt the sound is SIS audio accel rev 2

[18:51:00]

** fdsd would never buy a Sis or via chipset **

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

heh

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

I hate SiS, too

[18:51:00]

** kcody did once... makes a good headless box. **

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

I used to live VIA

[18:51:00]

Flimzy:

but I think I hate them now

[18:52:00]

Flimzy:

VIA was the bomb back when my K6–3 was new

[18:52:00]

Flimzy:

:)

[18:52:00]

fdsd:

I had a vp6 which is a smp p3 board, but it was unstable

[18:52:00]

darkdrgn2k:

i donno what chopset

[18:52:00]

darkdrgn2k:

730 5513

[18:52:00]

Flimzy:

I have some VIA board across the room... I finally just replaced it

[18:52:00]

Flimzy:

ready to throw it away

[18:52:00]

Cardoe:

fdsd: I had one of those.... it was awesome... too much heat though

[18:52:00]

kyu_flux:

clean... nice...

[18:52:00]

Flimzy:

the onboard LAN sucks...

[18:52:00]

darkdrgn2k:

K7SEM

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Flimzy:

everything sucks, actually, come to think of it

[18:53:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: the sounblaster was over kill for it thoiygh so i took it out

[18:53:00]

Cardoe:

kcody: "do the world a favor and never issue another utterance"... Now who's the whiny bitch? you.

[18:53:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: Is this a Myth box?

[18:53:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: Why is SB overkill?

[18:53:00]

kyu_flux:

god i'm sorry I made such a simple comment

[18:53:00]

Cardoe:

darkdrgn2k: is it a Crystal chip for sound?

[18:53:00]

** Flimzy has 2 SB Audigy's in his Mythbox... + the onboard ATI sound chip **

[18:53:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: cause 1/2 of its features DONT WORK!

[18:53:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: heh... that's better than 2/2 not working on the SiS currently :P

[18:54:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: which SB card do you have?

[18:54:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: Sound Blaster LIVE! 5.1 Platium

[18:54:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: and the SIS SHOULD WORK .. it kept pissing me off when i had the sb installed.. now its MISSING!

[18:54:00]

** kcody is unimpressed with copy-paste responses. **

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Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: IF it was me... I'd recompile :)

[18:54:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: Oh, but wait... I'm using Debian, that's not possible! </troll>

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darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: im using MANDRIVA

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darkdrgn2k:

(yes im TAKT lazy)

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Flimzy:

hehe

[18:55:00]

Flimzy:

I've never used mandriva

[18:55:00]

Flimzy:

but I'm sure it's possible to recompile your kernel there

[18:55:00]

kyu_flux:

it's gotta be better than knoppmyth

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darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: i spent enough time tryign the f-n RADEION 7000 VE to tv out... i siad IM TAKING THE SHORT ROAD FROM NOW ON

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

hehe

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

I wouldn't touch an ATI card with a 10-foot pole

[18:56:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: BTW i running it in VESA mode

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

especially not for myth

[18:56:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: and i got tones of ATI cards i ran on windows

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

Yeah, ATI is okay for windows, I guess

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

but I don't use windows

[18:56:00]

Flimzy:

so that means little to me

[18:57:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: im ready to WACK the ATI with a 10 foot pole!

[18:57:00]

Flimzy:

I do have an onboard ATI POS 800 something

[18:57:00]

kyu_flux:

kcody: when's the last time you installed gentoo?

[18:57:00]

Flimzy:

I thought about using it to free up the PCI-Express slot for a gigabit LAN

[18:57:00]

kcody:

kyu_flux: last week, new laptop.

[18:57:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: what do i need to install to get sound working? just the driver right

[18:57:00]

Flimzy:

But I don't think the ATI cards support hardware MPEG2 acceleration, which I pretty much need for HDTV output

[18:57:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: probably.

[18:57:00]

kyu_flux:

fizzlewizzle-fosdem-x86 / dvd ?

[18:58:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: what gfx card ya got

[18:58:00]

kcody:

Flimzy: ati supports hardware scaling and YUV->RGB, but not mpeg2

[18:58:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: GeForce 6200 TC

[18:58:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: cause i want to get a DVB card soon to do hd

[18:58:00]

kcody:

huh what huh?

[18:58:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: Pretty much a POS... but the cheapest PCI-Express card I could find... and should work for what I need

[18:58:00]

kyu_flux:

hahaha i'm getting the gentoo distribution off of their bittorrent tracker

[18:58:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k, I'm not using a dvb card

[18:58:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: fire waire?

[18:59:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: aye

[18:59:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Flimzy: with a digital box?

[18:59:00]

kyu_flux:

kcody: they have literally no information regarding what these are – but I see install_*_minimal, install_*_universal

[18:59:00]

Flimzy:

looks like currently, Myth is using 37% CPU to display HD MPEG2 in 4:3

[18:59:00]

Flimzy:

and only 8% for SDTV

[18:59:00]

Flimzy:

darkdrgn2k: yes

[18:59:00]

kyu_flux:

but I see this fizzlewizzle stuff and it doesn't have any docs to say what it is

[18:59:00]

darkdrgn2k:

to bad the bell basters wont get me a CAM so i wan use SATALITE on my pc

[19:00:00]

kcody:

kyu_flux: use the universal, unless you really do want to deal with building the entire system up from the ground

[19:00:00]

kcody:

kyu_flux: i wouldn't get gentoo off bittorrent, either, use an official mirror

[19:00:00]

Flimzy:

time to shower

[19:00:00]

darkdrgn2k:

maybe ill just use a soft cam instead :-P

[19:00:00]

Flimzy:

and find my punch tool

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kyu_flux:

kcody: it's off the bittorrent tracker available from the gentoo web site

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darkdrgn2k:

oops did i say that outloud

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kcody:

kyu_flux: oic, haven't used it

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kyu_flux:

thanks for the help – this knoppmythBS is going down the crapper

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kcody:

later all

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jcsmith:

hi all, quick question, i was watching/recording a basketball game earlier, the program guide had it ending at 2 pm so it quit recording, i quickly hit the record button again so as not to miss the last few minutes of the game, now is there any way i can get it to stop recording the program its currently recording with out deleting it?

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Flimzy:

Is there any way to prevent 4:3 recordings to be stretched to 16:9 in the preview window?

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Flimzy:

not that it's particularly important... but would be nice.... hehe

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_willcooke_:

Flimzy, I think you can choose the aspect ratio. Press M then go down to the aspect ratio option, then right, then choose

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Flimzy:

I'm talking about in the recordings manager

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Juski:

Flimzy: not really – just live with it

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Flimzy:

Juski: figures. hehe

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SteveWrightNZ:

anyone using the Pixelview PlayTV 400 USB ?

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Juski:

it's not such a big deal ;)

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Flimzy:

Juski: no.. just a tad annoying

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Flimzy:

I guess I could always turn off the preview window...

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Flimzy:

hhehe

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Kelerion:

okies.. here's one.. on the program guide – can the lefthand "channel name etc" column be extended?

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Juski:

why aren't all the pairs adjacent in CAT cables & sockets? is there a good reason for that?

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Juski:

Kelerion: yup

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Flimzy:

Juski: they go from inside out

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Flimzy:

Juski: to be backward compatible with older cables with fewer pairs

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Juski:

Flimzy: not all do

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Kelerion:

Juski.. is it a theme thing?

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Juski:

Kelerion: yup

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Juski:

ui.xml

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Kelerion:

thanks

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Flimzy:

Juski: Pair one is the center... pair 2 is outside of that. Pairs 3 & 4 are on the outside there

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

Kelerion: there are 2 areas you'll need to change

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Flimzy:

Juski: That way you can plug a Cat3 cable in (which has only 2 pair), and the pairs line up

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darkdrgn2k:

why am i missing a dsp?

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Juski:

that's dumb!

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Flimzy:

Juski: why?

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Juski:

Flimzy: who uses CAT3 anymore?

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Flimzy:

Juski: practically every office building in the world

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Flimzy:

Juski: For phone

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL

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Juski:

small thing to fix on my CAT5 video/audio sender then

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Baylink:

Flimzy, that's only true about USOC (telephone) pinning: 568A and B do it differently.

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Flimzy:

Juski: In the walls, they run CAT5... then they're free to use CAT5 or CAT3, depending on whethere they're using that port for ethernet or phone

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Juski:

who needs wireless & coax when you have CAT5 going all around the house? ;)

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Baylink:

And yes, no one *recommends* buying new Cat3 for installs.

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Flimzy:

I should ammend mmy statement... s/world/U.S./

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Flimzy:

Is there any v4l support for firewire devices?

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Flimzy:

Or do I have to use mythtv's native 6200 support to access that device?

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Juski:

CAT goes.. (pair to pair).. 1&2, 3&6, 4&5, 7&8 IIRC

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Juski:

Flimzy: no v4l for firewire

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Flimzy:

Are there any tools that can dump a raw MPEG stream from a firewire port to a file then?

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Flimzy:

other than dvgrab, which doesn't think I have a camera :P ((which I don't)

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Juski:

Flimzy: dunno.. should be some mention of it in the firewire setup guides out there

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Flimzy:

maybe I can fool dvgrab into thinking I have a camera, tho

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Kelerion:

anyone have a "convert to xvid" userjob setup?

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Kelerion:

or similar

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_willcooke_:

Kelerion, does it have to be a user job? You can change your transcode job to conver to xvid

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Kelerion:

I want to be able to specify on a per-recording basis from the recorded screen

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Juski:

time to eat I think

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darkdrgn2k:

ok i got my sound drivers installed but im misisng /dev/dsp

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darkdrgn2k:

why?

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dtm:

darkdrgn2k: maybe coz you didn't load them

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, maybe you need to mknod /dev/dsp?

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: isitn udev sopposed to do that

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darkdrgn2k:

dtm: the mod ARE loaded

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darkdrgn2k:

snd_trident

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, yeah, it should do. Maybe then you need a udev script

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, what distro?

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darkdrgn2k:

mandriva 2006

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dtm:

darkdrgn2k: what about the oss compat module

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, I've never used that sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

dtm: what about it?

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: i knwo it worked befor i formate

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dtm:

darkdrgn2k: what do you think, what about it :) is it loaded? that's what provides /dev/dsp

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, cat /proc/asound/cards

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darkdrgn2k:

0 [SI7018 ]: SI7018 – SiS SI7018

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darkdrgn2k:

SiS SI7018 PCI Audio at 0xd800, irq 10

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darkdrgn2k:

and alsamixer works

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, In which case try setting the audio device in myth to ALSA:default (just type it in)

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: where do i set that?

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: cause its a PVR in there.. it has no audio setup part

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, this is for playback?

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: yeh

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: but stupid question, im trying ot basically move my PVR from the BACKEND to a FRONTEND that im turning into a slave

[20:19:00]

_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, setup -> general -> next until you see Audio, then Audio Output Device

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, I think you might be asking the wrong person here!

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: hmm cause the backend doesnt see the slave's card.. in mythtv-setup

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darkdrgn2k:

WHAT my main comp lost dsp too now

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darkdrgn2k:

you say

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darkdrgn2k:

ASLA:default

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, ?

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: my backend has a framegrabber

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darkdrgn2k:

_willcooke_: and i lost /dev/dsp on it too

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, Sorry dude, I'm all out of ideas

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** _willcooke_ is only a noob **

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darkdrgn2k:

darkdrgn2k, In which case try setting the audio device in myth to ALSA:default (just type it in)

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darkdrgn2k:

ARGH!!!

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darkdrgn2k:

di /dev/dsp OSS?

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darkdrgn2k:

*is

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_willcooke_:

darkdrgn2k, I think it's alsa emulation of oss

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darkdrgn2k:

i wonder why it would disapear like that

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a1fa|64:

yo

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CyberKnet:

no

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a1fa|64:

hehe

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** a1fa|64 is sad.. **

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a1fa|64:

lirc_streamzap is still defuctored with 2.6.15 :(

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CyberKnet:

aaah

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** CyberKnet is reinstalling cacti to get back his pretty graphs **

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a1fa|64:

cacti is nice

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a1fa|64:

:P

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a1fa|64:

but i want my streamzap to work

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laga:

fix it

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a1fa|64:

laga: how?

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laga:

dunno

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a1fa|64:

there was a patch on the mailing list

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a1fa|64:

but that didnt fix it

[20:43:00]

CyberKnet:

pound keys

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a1fa|64:

pound a$$

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CyberKnet:

if that fails, get a hammer

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a1fa|64:

i got a hummer

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CyberKnet:

If it doesn't fix it, you'll at least feel better

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CyberKnet:

*sigh*

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a1fa|64:

everybody is reporting problems regarding 2.6.15 and lirc

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a1fa|64:

but nobody is making a patch

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laga:

do you see the problem with that?

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a1fa|64:

Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000

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a1fa|64:

printing eip:

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a1fa|64:

yeah, i do... :* makes me sad

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Kelerion:

laga – how's the integration going?

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laga:

Kelerion: what integration?

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Kelerion:

paper airplane integration

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laga:

oh, right

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laga:

Kelerion: i think i've got to go back to the drawing board. the paper just wasn't the right one for my purposes

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Kelerion:

bugger

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redline-:

guys, any suggestion on why rip dvd wont work but gives no errors in myth?

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_willcooke_:

laga, what sort of paper do you have on the drawing board? ;p

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laga:

Kelerion: nice monkey! :)

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laga:

_willcooke_: top-secret.

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Kelerion:

thanks!

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_willcooke_:

redline-, I've had a load of problems with DVD rip, so I just created a shell script to mencoder it

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_willcooke_:

monkey??

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laga:

redline-: probably mtd not running

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redline-:

mencoder is the program that does it?

[20:50:00]

redline-:

whats mtd?

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_willcooke_:

encodes m's (movies)

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redline-:

ok ill check it out

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_willcooke_:

myth transocde deamon

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confusi0n:

TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '1' was not found in the database.

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

Could not start livetv.

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

any idea why this would happen?

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

hi

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

i do have a channel '1' in mythtv-steup

[20:51:00]

confusi0n:

its confusing me greatly, lol

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redline-:

willcooke: is that built by default in myth?

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a1fa|64:

confusi0n: what version?

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a1fa|64:

change the default channel

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_willcooke_:

redline-, dunno – if not ./configure --enable-mtd

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redline-:

i dont have transcode installed

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confusi0n:

a1fa: its the svn version, latest, do you mean the default channel in the videosource section?

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redline-:

emerg'ing it now

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_willcooke_:

redline-, that'll do it!

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redline-:

im a total newb when i comes to manuipulating videos

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znoG:

guys, a PVR-350 card is worth about US $150 right?

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a1fa|64:

ya

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a1fa|64:

znoG: $120

[20:54:00]

a1fa|64:

i bought my PVR-500 for $130

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redline-:

get a pvr 500 and a cheal nvidia card

[20:54:00]

redline-:

cheap

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a1fa|64:

my cheap nvidia was $20

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znoG:

why the PVR-500? how is it better than the 350?

[20:55:00]

znoG:

i know the 150 doesn't have any hardware encoding/decoding

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redline-:

same i got a mx440 for 15 off emay

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znoG:

and the 350 has a remote

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confusi0n:

any ideas?

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redline-:

150 has encoding not decoding

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a1fa|64:

PVR-500 – dual tuner

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znoG:

they're ripping people off in .au for the 350.. charging above AU$350 (US$250–300 or so)

[20:55:00]

redline-:

confusion did you run mythfilldatabase?

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redline-:

or even mythtv-setup

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confusi0n:

redline-: yeah

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confusi0n:

redline-: both... its steup for recieving from dbox. mythbackend is changing the channel fine, but when i try live tv i get that error from TVRec

[20:56:00]

redline-:

run mythtv-setup again and goto you capture card, set starting channel to 2 or 3 or 4 etc..

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confusi0n:

i will, i'll give that a go now

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redline-:

i just need to say Giants SUCK, and im a Giants fan!

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js2638:

why? what did they do?

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Beirdo:

probably lost?

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a1fa|64:

anybody running 2.6.15?

[21:00:00]

Beirdo:

just the fact that they exist is enough for some to say they suck

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js2638:

how existentialist of you

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confusi0n:

redline-: just tried that. changed it to '3', but tvrec still gives the same error...

[21:01:00]

confusi0n:

2006-01–08 21:10:47.487 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '1' was not found in the database.

[21:01:00]

confusi0n:

Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.

[21:01:00]

confusi0n:

Could not start livetv.

[21:01:00]

confusi0n:

2006-01–08 21:10:47.487 TVRec(1) Error: CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed

[21:01:00]

confusi0n:

2006-01–08 21:10:47.487 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to create RingBuffer 2

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Juski:

oo.. that'll be because a channel of number '1' doesn't exist.. however did that happen?

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Beirdo:

confusi0n, did you restart the backend after the setup change?

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confusi0n:

yeah, im stopping the backend before i run mythtv-setup, then im running mythfilldatabase when im finished

[21:03:00]

confusi0n:

Juski: channel number 1 does exist in the setup though, its assigned to bbc one england

[21:03:00]

confusi0n:

i dunno whats going wrong

[21:03:00]

confusi0n:

is something corrupt?

[21:03:00]

Beirdo:

the US government is

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js2638:

I'm fairly corrupt

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_willcooke_:

:)

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confusi0n:

lol

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Beirdo:

walked right into that one

[21:04:00]

confusi0n:

indeed :D

[21:04:00]

confusi0n:

is there anyway i can directly check the database for that default channel value?

[21:05:00]

confusi0n:

i mean, when i start mythtv-setup, everything is as i left it, so surely the database is saving correctly?

[21:06:00]

Juski:

I changed the default channel on my box today.. restarted mythbackend & it took the change happily

[21:06:00]

Beirdo:

sounds like it

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Beirdo:

you sure you didn't forget to restart the backend just this once?

[21:07:00]

** _willcooke_ passes Juski a handbag **

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confusi0n:

is there a particular way i should be starting mythbackend?

[21:07:00]

Beirdo:

a barf-bag?

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confusi0n:

im running it from the command line

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confusi0n:

as i installed from svn sources

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Beirdo:

kill it and restart it

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_willcooke_:

Beirdo, they have been used a barf bags in the past

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confusi0n:

no process killed

[21:08:00]

confusi0n:

so i am restarting it successfully

[21:08:00]

confusi0n:

would running it as root cause any problem?

[21:08:00]

Juski:

not necessarily

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confusi0n:

nah, no difference

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** confusi0n pulls his hair out **

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Juski:

confusi0n: the setting is stored in 'DefaultTVChannel' in the 'settings' table

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darkdrgn2k:

hey, im trying ot move a PVR150 from my BACKEN server into a FRONTEND settop

[21:10:00]

darkdrgn2k:

What do i have to do to get this done

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darkdrgn2k:

i ASSUEM i need ot install the BACKEND on the front

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_willcooke_:

way to type! ;p

[21:11:00]

Juski:

darkdrgn2k: yeh you need the frontend to run as a slave backend

[21:11:00]

confusi0n:

Juski: should i be typing 'mysqlshow mythconverg settings'? as it shows no DefaultTVChannel, only 'value', 'data', and 'hostname'

[21:11:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: is there any docs that explain how to do that

[21:11:00]

confusi0n:

Juski: sorry, i dont know anythig about mysql :/

[21:11:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: cause i cantsee, tp get ot tp wprl

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Beirdo:

heheheh

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** Juski uses webmin, but many people opt fot phpmyadmin **

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: do i just install the backend on the computer, then run mythtv-setup?

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Beirdo:

your right hand is off by one, darkdrgn2k

[21:12:00]

** Juski dsfghj ergwhj fdsghjg eg egrhj **

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darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: keep jumping from keybord to keyboard :-P

[21:12:00]

darkdrgn2k:

sory

[21:13:00]

Beirdo:

and yes

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** Juski labels his cat5 sockets **

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darkdrgn2k:

i cant seem to catch the tuner on the slave!

[21:13:00]

Beirdo:

point it at the same database and run the setup for the slave backend

[21:13:00]

Beirdo:

be sure to set the "master backend" to the master backend's IP

[21:13:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: i did that but cant seem to get it to work

[21:14:00]

Beirdo:

always used to work for me

[21:14:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: :(

[21:14:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: maybe youll know then why i dont have a /dev/dsp even though i installed the sound driver

[21:14:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: is there a module that does OSS emulation on alsa?

[21:14:00]

** Juski is sick of asking if people have verified the tuner works on their system before going into mythtv to set it up **

[21:14:00]

Beirdo:

yes

[21:14:00]

Beirdo:

but I don't know what it is

[21:14:00]

Beirdo:

I don't do ALSA

[21:15:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: always.. mpeg card you can use mplayer, otherwaswy xwatv

[21:15:00]

confusi0n:

grr

[21:16:00]

confusi0n:

they're all in the database

[21:16:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: when you run mythtv-setup from the slave, are you sopposed to see the cards on the master

[21:16:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: and when you run it on the master are you sopposed to see the salve?

[21:16:00]

darkdrgn2k:

cause i am not either way

[21:17:00]

Beirdo:

no

[21:18:00]

darkdrgn2k:

ok good..

[21:18:00]

Beirdo:

you setup only the local cards

[21:18:00]

darkdrgn2k:

but i still cant catch the PVR card!

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znoG:

does the PVR-150 MCE remote control work with lirc?

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redline-:

hey is the current svn checkout stable?

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_willcooke_:

redline-, it's working for me

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redline-:

i gotta recompile again and was gonna update

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_willcooke_:

redline-, I compiled about 3 hours ago and all is good so far

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redline-:

cool

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redline-:

will a .configure see transcoade installed and auto do it or do i need to specify in the command line?

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rachel:

anyone here have both HD recordings and regular recordings? my regular recordings get stretched to the width of the tv on playback

[21:31:00]

darkdrgn2k:

ok.. how do you switch tuners in MYTH?

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redline-:

c on the keyboard

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darkdrgn2k:

GRRR id DOESNT work :(

[21:32:00]

redline-:

did you assign a video source to you extra tuner?

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darkdrgn2k:

yep

[21:32:00]

redline-:

cat /dev/video1 > test1.mpg

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redline-:

mplayer test1.mpg

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redline-:

actually you can mplayer /dev/video1

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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darkdrgn2k:

its /dev/video0 :-D

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Beirdo:

you did tell the setup that it's a PVR-150 right, not a V4L card?

[21:34:00]

redline-:

well if you only video0 then your extra tuner may not be seen from my understandings

[21:34:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Yep

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darkdrgn2k:

well.. 250

[21:34:00]

Beirdo:

OK, whatever :)

[21:34:00]

darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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Beirdo:

have you restarted the master backend since you added the slave backend?

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darkdrgn2k:

not showing :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

rebooted both

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shacha:

i thought it was y, not c...

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shacha:

to switch tuners

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Beirdo:

one changes tuners, the other inputs (I think)

[21:40:00]

_willcooke_:

y changes cards on my box

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darkdrgn2k:

which one is which

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shacha:

y is tuners – my bad

[21:43:00]

shacha:

i mean cards

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shacha:

wow – out of it today

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darkdrgn2k:

any ever get ati tv out working on an older card

[21:46:00]

thechris:

darkdrgn2k: have you tried hooking it up to the tv?

[21:47:00]

darkdrgn2k:

thechris: yes.. it only works in VESA mode

[21:47:00]

topping:

is there a way to gracefully shutdown mythbackend? i want to finish the jobs that are currently running

[21:48:00]

thechris:

darkdrgn2k: there is an ati gatos module

[21:48:00]

thechris:

darkdrgn2k: this module can be built, and will be included in future versions of Xorg

[21:49:00]

darkdrgn2k:

thechris: umm gatos is ANCIENT

[21:49:00]

darkdrgn2k:

it SHOULD of already been included if it would ahve been :-P

[21:50:00]

thechris:

darkdrgn2k: eh, i just spent $20 for an nvidia card

[21:50:00]

darkdrgn2k:

20 bucks only??? argh

[21:50:00]

darkdrgn2k:

id rather save my money and get a card that does mpeg2 decoding

[21:51:00]

darkdrgn2k:

can any one suggest anythign

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thechris:

darkdrgn2k: i think gatos does have the tv support.

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darkdrgn2k:

thechris: "December 2, 2001"

[21:56:00]

darkdrgn2k:

if its not in Xorg yet, then it never will be

[21:56:00]

darkdrgn2k:

any one know if gatos has been merged into Xorg?

[21:56:00]

Beirdo:

I'm sure the xorg people or the gatos people would know

[21:57:00]

thechris:

last i checked it was moving into xorg7

[21:57:00]

darkdrgn2k:

gmm

[21:57:00]

darkdrgn2k:

sept 2004 is the last driver

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thechris:

http://gatos.sourceforge.net/

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darkdrgn2k:

im already there

[21:58:00]

darkdrgn2k:

"Radeon TV-input code has been merged into X.Org CVS, to appear in release 7.0.

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Juski:

wth would TV input code be doing in X.org?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: AIW

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Juski:

surely v4l would be a better prospect

[21:59:00]

Juski:

v4l for the input side

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thechris:

in anycase, i think you have options of: vesa, radeon, ati-gatos. that is all.

[21:59:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: but AIW dont have to much v4l extension thast why myth wont work with it

[21:59:00]

thechris:

Juski: you would think... but this is ati.

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Juski:

exactly

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darkdrgn2k:

thechris: gatos IS merged into xorg

[22:00:00]

Juski:

what does ATI stand for anyway?

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Beirdo:

who knows

[22:00:00]

thechris:

a texas instruments?

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bronco1:

There seems to be some issues with x86_64 and QMYSQL3...

[22:00:00]

bronco1:

you cannot run mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

they have nothing to do with Texas Intruments

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thechris:

bronco1: yes

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thechris:

bronco1: does it segfault?

[22:00:00]

Juski:

so much for 64-bit being ready, then

[22:01:00]

bronco1:

thechris: no, it just complains that Qt is not installed

[22:01:00]

thechris:

bronco1: what distro

[22:01:00]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: Advanced Tehcnoliogu Inc ?!?!?

[22:01:00]

bronco1:

I have found about 3–4 posts for this issue on google, but no resolutions yet

[22:01:00]

bronco1:

thechris: Fedora

[22:01:00]

Beirdo:

go to ati's website and see if you can find out if you care, Juski :)

[22:01:00]

** Juski is trying to think of a suitably insulting acronym **

[22:01:00]

thechris:

bronco1: do you have the qt-mysql package installed?

[22:01:00]

darkdrgn2k:

hmm wierd.. i cant find my con f file

[22:02:00]

thechris:

not sure what fedora calls it

[22:02:00]

bronco1:

thechris: check out http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=431937#post431937

[22:02:00]

Beirdo:

ATI rules. bite me :)

[22:02:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:02:00]

a1fa|64:

ati suckZZZZZZZZZZz

[22:02:00]

a1fa|64:

:p

[22:02:00]

thechris:

i have never said "i like this ATI product"

[22:02:00]

bronco1:

thechris: yeah, I have been trying to fix this since for a few weeks now and am pretty stuck

[22:02:00]

a1fa|64:

i steel need a patch for lirc_streamzap and 2.6.15

[22:02:00]

Beirdo:

not my fault you people can't get it working, my 9200SE always worked, and so does my 9600pro

[22:02:00]

thechris:

i have said other things about ati though

[22:02:00]

bronco1:

thechris: the above link explains the issues in detail

[22:02:00]

a1fa|64:

Beirdo: what driver?

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** a1fa|64 ports mythtv to windows **

[22:03:00]

Beirdo:

the ATI-provided ones, of course

[22:03:00]

a1fa|64:

good for you neegur

[22:03:00]

darkdrgn2k:

wha conf file does xorg normaly use

[22:03:00]

a1fa|64:

NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!

[22:03:00]

a1fa|64:

crazy ass

[22:04:00]

thechris:

Beirdo: heh, 9200. lets talk about unsupported cards like 7000s

[22:04:00]

** Juski gives in to the fact ATI cards _are_ slightly better than nvidia ones, if only because with the right modeline you can hook up VGA to RGB/component very easily **

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

thechris, so get a modern card

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:04:00]

thechris:

Beirdo: like an nvidia one!

[22:04:00]

a1fa|64:

oh wow

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Beirdo:

no like Radeon 8500 or newer

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

or an nvidia

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Beirdo:

the Radeon 7000 is ancient

[22:05:00]

thechris:

bronco1: possibly mythtv does not know where qt is

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Beirdo:

hell, the 8500 is ancient

[22:05:00]

a1fa|64:

this shit just loaded my streamzap driver w/o error

[22:05:00]

darkdrgn2k:

hey i have a 7000!

[22:05:00]

thechris:

i've had to set that before for some compiles in gentoo

[22:05:00]

thechris:

what command shows env?

[22:05:00]

Beirdo:

that's like trying to get a Voodoo3 working, not many people will care

[22:05:00]

thechris:

hmm...

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thechris:

bronco1: env | grep qt

[22:06:00]

thechris:

do you get anything?

[22:06:00]

a1fa|64:

how do i see if lirc is enabled w/ mythtv

[22:07:00]

bronco1:

thechris: nothing

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thechris:

bronco1: that is your issue. mythtv cannot find qt

[22:07:00]

bronco1:

I know!

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bronco1:

heh

[22:07:00]

a1fa|64:

how do i tell if mythtv is compiled with lirc support

[22:07:00]

thechris:

bronco1: using bash?

[22:08:00]

bronco1:

yeah

[22:08:00]

bronco1:

fedora FC4

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thechris:

bronco1: $PATH

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Chacabaou:

a1fa|64: mythbackend --version|grep --color lirc

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thechris:

or echo $PATH

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bronco1:

"/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11 R6/bin:/home/mythtv/bin

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a1fa|64:

sweet

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thechris:

bronco1: you will need to: export PATH="${PATH}:/usr/qt/3/bin"; export QTDIR="/usr/qt/3"

[22:10:00]

thechris:

or whatever is appropriate

[22:10:00]

thechris:

make sure /usr/qt/3/bin exists

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a1fa|64:

lol

[22:11:00]

a1fa|64:

kernel failure is gone

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splat1 is now known as splAt1

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a1fa|64:

ok

[22:13:00]

bronco1:

thechris: /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin & /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin

[22:13:00]

a1fa|64:

another problem

[22:13:00]

a1fa|64:

lirc is loaded

[22:13:00]

bronco1:

thechris: which one should I add?

[22:13:00]

a1fa|64:

but mythtv is not responding to remote

[22:13:00]

thechris:

bronco1: it should be safe to add both. i'd probably add lib64 first

[22:13:00]

bronco1:

thechris: ok, trying...

[22:14:00]

thechris:

export PATH="${PATH}:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin"; export QTDIR="/usr/qt/3"

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

this is unbeliavable

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

:P

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

thanks god

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

:P

[22:14:00]

thechris:

works?

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

what works :P

[22:14:00]

thechris:

lirc

[22:14:00]

a1fa|64:

lirc was giving me kernel freeze ups

[22:15:00]

a1fa|64:

for some reason

[22:15:00]

a1fa|64:

it works now

[22:15:00]

a1fa|64:

i dont know why

[22:15:00]

_willcooke_:

voodoo

[22:15:00]

thechris:

devine intervention

[22:15:00]

thechris:

in your favor

[22:15:00]

a1fa|64:

thechris: deus ex machina

[22:15:00]

a1fa|64:

the driver works

[22:16:00]

a1fa|64:

but mythtv is not responding

[22:16:00]

a1fa|64:

to lirc

[22:16:00]

thechris:

have you set up the keybindings?

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bronco1:

thechris: no dice

[22:16:00]

thechris:

bronco1: different error?

[22:17:00]

bronco1:

nope, same

[22:17:00]

a1fa|64:

Jan 8 16:16:32 mytivo lircd: lircd(streamzap) ready

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thechris:

bronco1: can you post the error message from mythtv?

[22:17:00]

a1fa|64:

thechris: lircrc?

[22:17:00]

darkdrgn2k:

any one ever get GATOS to work?

[22:18:00]

bronco1:

thechris: check out http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=431937

[22:18:00]

thechris:

a1fa|64: not sure what it is called. the guide at www.gentoo-wiki.com for mythtv explains that part

[22:18:00]

Juski:

what's the point of even trying gatos if it's not even V4L compliant?

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: for the video out

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Juski:

ahh yeh

[22:20:00]

darkdrgn2k:

damit

[22:20:00]

darkdrgn2k:

gatos outputs w/ horizontal lines

[22:21:00]

thechris:

bronco1: that was the best i could think of. maybe reinstall qt-mysql

[22:21:00]

thechris:

Juski: tvout. limited tv-in

[22:22:00]

bronco1:

thechris: this is on a clean install of FC4

[22:22:00]

bronco1:

thechris: I have tried re-installing about 4x from fedora, mythtv-suite, mysql, and qt

[22:22:00]

darkdrgn2k:

any idea why gatos outpouts with horoozntal lines

[22:22:00]

thechris:

bronco1: you've managed to get further then i did with FC. i got white screens instead of the installer

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thechris:

darkdrgn2k: i think that might be expalined on the gatos website

[22:23:00]

thechris:

not sure if there was a soluton

[22:23:00]

darkdrgn2k:

thechris: damit... i cant find it

[22:23:00]

darkdrgn2k:

is ATI.2 the same as tv_output

[22:24:00]

thechris:

i think those have been merged, but the website is confusing

[22:24:00]

thechris:

which is why i just went to a new video card

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a1fa|64:

dud

[22:25:00]

a1fa|64:

some idiots tried to prank call me

[22:25:00]

a1fa|64:

they got all confused

[22:25:00]

a1fa|64:

now it is time for them to feel the wearh of voip and 3 way calling

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a1fa|64:

* 10

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a1fa|64:

i'll just pipe a police scanner

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a1fa|64:

or porn

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a1fa|64:

they hang up

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a1fa|64:

they didnt like my sweenska police scannner

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bronco1:

thechris: any more advice on what I should try?

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thechris:

bronco1: i'm thinking something was wrong with the qt-mysql package. it didn't set env up, and it seems not to work

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darkdrgn2k:

what video card will do mpeg decofing?

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js2638:

do you mean decoding?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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jonK:

hauppage pvr-350

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darkdrgn2k:

ok lets try that again

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darkdrgn2k:

what video card will do mpeg decofing?

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thechris:

i hear someone used a mpeg decoder card ($10 on ebay)

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darkdrgn2k:

i have an mpeg decoder card....

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thechris:

you mean decoding?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh decoding

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darkdrgn2k:

i have an mpeg decoder card....

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thechris:

have you tried using the overlay features on it?

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darkdrgn2k:

thechris: the point is.....

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darkdrgn2k:

thechris: i want a decoder in a vid card!

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GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: well most any nvidia card (less than 2 or 3 years old) has mpeg decoding abilities

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a1fa|64:

dude ;P

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laga:

judging by this quit message, he spent most of his uptime in front of the 'puter ;)

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** GreyFoxx decides it's time to make suppoer **

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GreyFoxx:

-o

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GreyFoxx:

I finally put my dxr3 back into a machine, maybe one day I'll look at it again

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kyu_flux:

damn and I thought that slackware was a vanilla install

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GreyFoxx:

How do you mean ?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: that would rock! my poor p3 450 just can't do mpeg2 playback, even with xvmc.

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Hehe I could resurrect my P166 fr5ontend heh

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laga:

GreyFoxx: dude, don't make me get out my 80286. :)

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GreyFoxx:

I dumped all of the older hardware I was collecting. The P166 is the smalled I have here now

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GreyFoxx:

smallest

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kyu_flux:

I was gunna try out gentoo for my myth box (knoppmyth pisses me off – missing transcoder profiles/etc) and ... wow.... this is ... format your own stuff (ok that's fine) – mount it up chroot – woah

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kyu_flux:

haha

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kyu_flux:

I mean it's not bad i'm just lazy

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

If you want something that does everything for you Slackware is likely not a good choice :)

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kyu_flux:

and seeing as how I have a working knoppmyth box I'm just trying to decide if I wanna go get a beer today

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kyu_flux:

no I use slackware already it's great

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kyu_flux:

it's gentoo that has the more involved install process

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GreyFoxx:

It's been several years since I last installed Gentoo

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GreyFoxx:

2–3

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kyu_flux:

what do you use now?

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GreyFoxx:

I set it up on a laptop for a month

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kyu_flux:

just outta curiosity

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GreyFoxx:

I use slackware for all my Linux boxes. It's been my distro of choice since it first came out

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kyu_flux:

people were raving about gentoo, and I'm like, eh... why not give it a try... I think i'm gunna try it out – but I totally hate init-style scripts

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GreyFoxx:

Never hurts to try new stuff

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GreyFoxx:

I often dump something on a little box or vmware session to try it out

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing grabs my interest

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kyu_flux:

honestly before I try this though I'd really like someone to give me some ideas why there are no transcoding profiles under knoppmyth

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Kabutor:

I use gentoo, and Id love it, but its a question of personal tastes.

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kyu_flux:

just incase I experience it somewhere else i'd like to know how to fix it without a full reinstall

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GreyFoxx:

kyu_flux: *shrug* you could try asking i n#knoppmyth

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kyu_flux:

hah... good call...

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kyu_flux:

thanks...

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Juski:

note to self: don't put liquid polish on a rotary polishing bit ever again

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crouton:

hey guys, I'm trying to install ivtv-0.4.1 and in preparation I removed a lot of modules in /lib/modules pertaining to tveeprom, tda9887, etc... but when I ran the ivtv make install, only ivtv.ko was built.

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crouton:

anybody know how to get ivtv to compile and make drivers for everything?

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crouton:

just curious if anyone else has run into this issue.

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Juski:

couton: I compiled them yesterday – didn't run into those issues.. maybe you don't have a confile file where v4l is meant to be built as modules

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crouton:

oh?

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Juski:

confile file? I mean config file.. as in kernel config file

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crouton:

hmm

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crouton:

v4l is marked as a module, i thought

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Juski:

I was following the guide at www.abarbaccia.com

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Juski:

you've obviously got the kernel headers & source, or it would have complained, big style

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Juski:

ahhh... did you do depmod -all after removing the modules?

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crouton:

nope, i'll try that.

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Juski:

incidentally – you _can_ use tveeprom from v4l, among others (I think)

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Juski:

definitely tveeprom

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laga:

haha. bloody spammers. i've just implemented the spam block extension on my wiki :)

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crouton:

ah hell

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Juski:

crouton: you didn't go beserk with the module deletions did you?

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crouton:

i need to grab the files from the /usr/src directory, put them back in

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crouton:

Juski, no just the ones mention in the guides

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Juski:

cool ;)

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Juski:

laga: spammers suxor

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crouton:

Juski, now that i'm reading abarbaccia's guide again, he doesn't say to remove the modules anymore.

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crouton:

at all.

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Juski:

crouton: the install script will tell you to

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crouton:

it didn't, because i had already removed them.

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laga:

Juski: yeah. and it's actually pointless to spam in mediawikis (newer ones, at least) since google won't care about external links. oh well

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Juski:

it'll moan about conflicts if there are any

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crouton:

but it's not compiling the ivtv versions to replace them.

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tweak_st:

what is dts passthrough?

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redline-:

main.o: mtd was built without transcode support. It won't do anything. is there a configure option i can use to get this compiled in?

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crouton:

so my /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video directory is missing those removed modules entirely.

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Juski:

crouton: I have a vague recollection of editing the makefile

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laga:

redline-: cd mythplugins; ./configure --help

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tweak_st:

anybody use that?

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redline-:

doh

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Juski:

tweak_st: taking digital sound from a media file & passing it straight to a soundcard's digital out

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** Juski uses AC3/DTS passthru **

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tweak_st:

so how does it normally go in myth?

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Juski:

erm... not sure what you're asking.. anything digital audio stream just goes direct to the digi output I think

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tweak_st:

digital..is that sometimes called optical out or is that a different thing?

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tweak_st:

im trying to figure out if i need it but i want best sound possible

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Juski:

digital = coaxial (spdif) or optical (toslink)

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Juski:

if you have an amplifier with digital inputs, go for it.. it's _way_ better than analogue sound

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tweak_st:

ah so i do need it

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Juski:

and you get the benefit of having proper 5.1 surround from DVDs

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tweak_st:

cool thanks

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redline-:

Juski what sound card do you use?

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Juski:

don't waste money on a fancy soundcard though – they're not worth it if you're just going to use digital out

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Juski:

redline: onboard on my EPIA-M10000

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tweak_st:

yeah i have a pretty good onboard one

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crouton:

Juski: copying the .ko files out of my /usr/src/linux directory seems to have done the trick.

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redline-:

I have a soltek mainboard and does not have a digital out

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Juski:

crouton: cool

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Juski:

redline-: not even on a header?

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redline-:

pretty much the main reason I got the audigy 2 zs

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redline-:

I will have to check

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Juski:

waste of money IMHO, if you're using digital outputs

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Juski:

a $10 card will probably sound the same

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redline-:

this was a refurb board and digital sound outputs were removed and replaced with a second serial port

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redline-:

its a socket 754 board i paid 30 bucks for from tigerdirect

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Juski:

so it doesn't even have a digital sound header on the board anymore? bahhh

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redline-:

checking manual now

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Juski:

cos for not many bucks (<$10) you can buy a connector plate for most motherboard digital sound signals

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redline-:

yea i think i actually have a few laying around from other boards

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ltibor65:

I just installed Mythtv on Ubuntu, but problem with database access. How to resolve it?

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redline-:

did you yun the mc.sql?

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ltibor65:

No.

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redline-:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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a1fa|64:

hey

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a1fa|64:

.lircrc was supposed to be in /home/mythtv/lircrc or

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a1fa|64:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/.lircrc or lircrc?

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ltibor65:

I start with mythtvfrontend command.

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a1fa|64:

where?

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redline-:

its not .lircrc it just lircrc

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a1fa|64:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc?

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redline-:

yes

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a1fa|64:

i have that file

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a1fa|64:

and mythtv wont respond

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crouton:

did you update /etc/lircd/lircd.conf?

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redline-:

look in the startup output of mythfrontend to see if it connect to lirc

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a1fa|64:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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a1fa|64:

mythtv: Permission denied

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a1fa|64:

yes i did

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redline-:

then you have issues with lircd

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redline-:

ls -la /dev/lirc*

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crouton:

yeah, check if you've got more than one lirc device

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redline-:

chmod 777 /dev/lirc*

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redline-:

Juski no audi header for external digital =(

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Juski:

redline-: never mind

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redline-:

and its an nforce 3 board, i guess i now see why this was refurbished

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Juski:

time for bedski

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a1fa|64:

chmod 666 /dev/lircd

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a1fa|64:

:)

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redline-:

im bad i 777 everything

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jasta:

yawn

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jasta:

wow, slept in :)

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Kabutor:

if xmltv gets me <programme start="20060109105000 +0100" channel="21.elpais.es"> I need in mythtv to have defined the name of the channel as 21.elpais.es ?

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|Slurpee|:

my video card still wont work !

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Kabutor:

I get Updating icons for sourceid: 1 Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 0 so Im wondering Im doing sommething wrong..

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corpix64:

hi, where can i set how much gigabytes will be used for recordings ?

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