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Thursday, January 5th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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mikael:

my backend doesn't crash, by the way, and if I restart the frontend, I'm back on the same channel

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Juski:

back

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Juski:

Ediehow: what speed is your AGP bus set to, out of curiosity?

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

i am not sure it can be set with this bios:O

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Ediehow:

oh Juski did i tell you i moved the soundcard?

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Juski:

I just assumed you did & it's no different

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.com/491028

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Ediehow:

that's my interrupts now

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Ediehow:

do you see anything that would cause a problem?

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Juski:

right but still the same problem yeah?

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Ediehow:

oh also, i noticed something, at least with mythtv

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Ediehow:

yessir

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Ediehow:

if i have mythtv running

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Ediehow:

it reports the error when the jutting starts as

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Ediehow:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . 000d941c1b81

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Ediehow:

i posted that

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Juski:

Ediehow: silly question but how recent is your BIOS?

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Juski:

people say BIOSs arent used much by linux but that might not be the whole story

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Juski:

and what motherboard is it? gonna do some digging

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Ediehow:

well

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Ediehow:

it's a compaq computer, and the most recent bios they had on their page was 8/23/03

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Ediehow:

8/1/03

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Ediehow:

phoenix award v 6, 3.20 8/1/03 km266

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Juski:

the plot thickens

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Juski:

compaq, being well known for building high quality PCs.. :-/

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Ediehow:

well, it was a good deal;)

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Juski:

was it?

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Juski:

on reflection?

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Ediehow:

definitely. this is the only problem i am having, and it's limited to linux:(

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Juski:

alright then... model of machine

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Ediehow:

DK216A/S4120WM

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Ediehow:

i think the latter is model

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Juski:

snappy

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Juski:

FIC AM37 motherboard

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Ediehow:

i have wintv pvr 150mce, nvidia 6200 agp, and audigy2

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Ediehow:

768mb ddr ram, and 60gb 7200rpm HD

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Ediehow:

and a dvd burner

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Juski:

linux-tested.com reports a problem with the onboard LAN when ACPI is enabled in SuSe

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Ediehow:

i am using onboard lan

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Ediehow:

i had tried booting with nolapic pci=noacpi noapic a bit ago

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Ediehow:

before i changed sound card

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Ediehow:

Juski: did you see that post i made?

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Juski:

yeh

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Ediehow:

k

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Juski:

something is screwing up the bus.. I'm pretty sure of that

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Ediehow:

it's like the simplest multitasking

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Juski:

you're getting far too many interrupts

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Ediehow:

like switching a tab in firefox

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Juski:

yes we know

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Ediehow:

Juski: i think i get more interrupts when, for instance, i am watching mythtv

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Juski:

do you have any issues when you're not in dual monitor mode?

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Ediehow:

yes:(

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Ediehow:

that's what i was in when i used game knoppix, too

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Juski:

starting to get the feeling your system is junkworthy & in need of a proper motherboard

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Ediehow:

?

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Ediehow:

i think it must not just be the hardware, though, cuz it doesn't occur in windows

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Ediehow:

i could try taking out the soundcard and pvr and see if i get errors

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Juski:

did you compile your own kernel?

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Ediehow:

always

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Ediehow:

but i tried stock kernel, and i tried the game knoppix, which has it's own

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

that board has onboard VGA doesn't it?

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Ediehow:

yes, it does

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Ediehow:

err

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Ediehow:

i am pretty sure it does

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Ediehow:

yes, it does

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Ediehow:

i disabled LPT port

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Ediehow:

no need for it

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Juski:

always a good idea to disable unused shit ;)

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Juski:

well in windaz it used to be

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Juski:

aanyhew

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Ediehow:

well, i figured it'd free up an irq

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Juski:

on the FIC website, latest BIOS for that board has in the list of fixes...

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Juski:

"fixed M/B compatiblity with FDD"

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Ediehow:

fic makes the mb?

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Juski:

that doesn't strike me as being a very good board if they have to release a BIOS to fix the floppy interface

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Ediehow:

hmm, the floppy has always worked:O

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Juski:

http://www.fic.com.tw/support/motherboard/bios.aspx?model_id=107

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Juski:

does the BIOS have anything compaq specific in it?

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Ediehow:

i don't think so, i am not sure, but i know it barely has any features

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Ediehow:

i can reboot and look, if you can tell me anything i need to look for

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Juski:

is that how you disabled the onboard video?

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Ediehow:

yes

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Juski:

plugging a card in the AGP might not be enough, though usually is AFAIK

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Ediehow:

usb uses 3 irqs:O

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Juski:

you can download the manual

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Ediehow:

i'd be fine with updating the bios

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Ediehow:

as long as i know it wouldn't destroy anything:O

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Juski:

the BIOS flasher prolly lets you back it up first

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Juski:

and those things usually check the board rev & such anyway

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Ediehow:

well, what is the latest bios?

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Juski:

clicky the linky

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

mine is newer than that

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Kelerion:

just showed wife remote control bath – crap.. bad move

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Kelerion:

after 5 years of marriage.. should know better

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dtm:

Kelerion: lolz. what is it? x10?

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Juski:

Ediehow: thought yours was jan 2003

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Ediehow:

8/1/03

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Kelerion:

dtm.. bath with a sim card you can text when you want it to fill up

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Juski:

8th jan 2003

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Ediehow:

i am assuming that means 8 for the month

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Ediehow:

oh

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Ediehow:

hmm

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dtm:

Kelerion: :-o

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Ediehow:

let me reboot and see real quick

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Juski:

maybe.. damn date 'conventions'

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Ediehow:

do you want me to look at anything else in the bios?

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Juski:

agp speed

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Ediehow:

wait let me see

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Kelerion:

I hate date conventions.. and I blame the Americans

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Kelerion:

erm.. did I say that out aloud?

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Kelerion:

:P

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Ediehow:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareLi . . . s&os=228

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laga:

if you're european, it's totally ok to say you hate the americans. :)

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Ediehow:

BIOS update for AM37 and MS-6390 motherboards

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Ediehow:

09–2003

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Kelerion:

I don't hate 'em.. I hate how they handle dates.. lol

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laga:

hehe

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dtm:

laga: yeah we don't mind. we know you're referring to the bulk of the govt and the sheep, not even necessarily the majority.

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dtm:

we agree

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laga:

dtm: gee. man humour.

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Kelerion:

if it's the goverment that set date formats.. then yeah. it's them I hate :P

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Ediehow:

err

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dtm:

laga: what?

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

that says 9–2003

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Ediehow:

but it says 3.20

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Ediehow:

which is what i have, Juski

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Juski:

Ediehow: ok then

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dtm:

laga: sorry there's no manual entry for 'humour'. i think you're looking for 'humor.

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dtm:

'

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laga:

dtm: that was the british spelling.

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Juski:

and they invented speed dating

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Juski:

and the internet... infidels!

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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laga:

nothing wrong with american dates...at least nothing i'd admit while the GF is around

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Juski:

lol

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Kelerion:

how come *we* invented the language.. but they want to dictate how we use it?? :P

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Ediehow:

Kelerion: you are brit?

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laga:

Kelerion: well, *we* invented freedom... ;)

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dasOp:

keler: just remind them that they're using the *british* system for measurement

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Kelerion:

Ediehow.. you betcha :)

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Ediehow:

laga: the germans?

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Juski:

Kelerion: strange but true 'fact'.. the American spellings of certain words are actually the way we used to spell them here

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Kelerion:

Juski.. sshhh! lol

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laga:

Ediehow: well, not exactly. i meant, good old europe. ;)

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dasOp:

of course the british system is rather dumb but thats besides the actual point :)

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Juski:

doesn't make any sense not to have everything in nice easy to remember multiples

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epoch:

dasOp: that's only because the rest of the world uses the french system ;)

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Ediehow:

laga: were there any european democracies before US?

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Kelerion:

of 10.

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dasOp:

epoch: the *metric* system :P

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Juski:

18 of this, 14 of the other.. wtf planet were our forebears on?

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epoch:

dasOp: that's right

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laga:

Ediehow: might wanna check out the old greek and roman empires. and i believe the english with their house of commons were pretty early.

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laga:

Ediehow: democracy does not necessarily mean freedom, though :)

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Ediehow:

laga: well, the greeks and romans certainly invented it

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Juski:

Ediehow: if you believe the world we live in has any true democracies you're not fully aware yet

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Kelerion:

the romans were a democracy??

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Ediehow:

Kelerion: the senate was to be

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Kelerion:

oh yeah.. those

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epoch:

Kelerion: before the emperors got too greedy, sure they were

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Kabutor:

only "citizens" can vote wich were the rich ppl

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Ediehow:

Juski: i believe there are more democracies in the world now than at any other time in history

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Juski:

now it's like.. "who can pay me the most money?"... ahh wait

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Ediehow:

Kabutor: couldn't you be born a citizen then?

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D-side:

pfeh. what rips cds in windows, any clue? its been years since i've touched this thing. :)

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Ediehow:

i don't see russia being a democracy much longer, though

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epoch:

D-side: google cdex

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D-side:

in windows? interesting.

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Kabutor:

not sure.. but in Rome only the citizens can vote for sure.. more than propably to be citizen you have to be signed somewhere, so you have to be notable at least..

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Juski:

D-side.. audiograbber, soundforge, WMP (!) Itunes..

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epoch:

D-side: yeah, it's actually not bad.. uses LAME as a back-end for encoding mp3s

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Kelerion:

audiograbber is excellent

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D-side:

ooh, audiograbber. i totally forgot about that.

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Ediehow:

Juski: so, any ideas?

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D-side:

epoch: thanks, i'll look into that too.

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Juski:

nope. I'm stuckski

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D-side:

i know that was totally offtopic, thanks. :)

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Ediehow:

:(

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Ediehow:

Juski: but you think it's a bus issue?

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Juski:

if you have a spare motherboard lying round I'd give that a spin

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Juski:

starting to see where Via chipsets get a bad name now though

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Ediehow:

how can i test whether or not it's a bus issue?

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Juski:

you're getting shitloads of interrupts that the OS isn't expecting, so that's got to be bus related.. or PCI latency or something (again though bus related)

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

do you think there's still an irq conflict?

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Juski:

no

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Kelerion:

ok.. serious question.. can someone explain to me the big appeal of epia boards? I honestly don't get it..

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Juski:

Kelerion: small, silent, very capable frontends :-)

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Juski:

with the emphasis on small & silent

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Ediehow:

Juski: did you see that audio buffer error?

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laga:

Kelerion: hard to setup, grey-scale OSD, via chipset...

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** laga hides **

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Juski:

not sure I'd trust it as a whole platform though.. i.e. for backend duties

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Juski:

grey OSD goes with my grey theme, so uck foo ;-)

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Kelerion:

I can understand size issues.. but surely a full size board in a nice case.. that is perfectly capable of being a frontend and do *other* jobs at the same time would be preferable?

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laga:

hehe. ;)

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Juski:

Kelerion – I got one of them already.. upstairs shoved away in a corner

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laga:

Juski: you might wanna check out the whatchamacallit osd. darn. ticket #512 in SVN, anyways

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Ediehow:

http://www.bluetoothaccessories.com/ProductDe . . . amp;PageNo=1

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Ediehow:

that is a good deal

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Juski:

svn is going nowhere near my minimyth.. I've felt danieldk's pain

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Ediehow:

Juski: so how confident are you that all those interrupts are related?

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Juski:

I get really pissed off when things don't work

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Ediehow:

to my problemo

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Kelerion:

Juski.. I thought that was the beauty of rolling yer own.. *making* things work!

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Kelerion:

to a point.. admittedly.. I ain't gonna "roll my own" processor

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Juski:

Ediehow: it's down the the fact that only one thing can access the PCI bus at once.. interrupts are a way for things to send signals to alert your CPU

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Ediehow:

and normally many things can access pci bus at once?

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Juski:

Kelerion: I want a 99.9% reliable PVR ;-)

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Juski:

Ediehow: just one thing can drive the bus

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** Kelerion can't argue with that **

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Ediehow:

it's been a few years since my OS class:)

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Ediehow:

fwiw, my recordings, which use pvr 150mce, never have problems as far as performance

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Juski:

so it's the AGP side maybe... and that's all done by the chipset..

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Kelerion:

svn must be damn near .19: it's been running *solidly* for a week here now

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Juski:

which may or may not have programmable logic in it which is loaded up at power-on time.. which is why BIOS upgrades can sometimes fix bus issues

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Ediehow:

Juski: so why work ok in xp?

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Juski:

I dunno

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** Kelerion hates that question.. it's like "but it used to work fine! so why not now?" **

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Juski:

thing is – stuff like wait times etc can be put into drivers.. and linux drivers can be a little erm... generic.. a kind of 'best fit'

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Ediehow:

Kelerion: i am not sure this used to work

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Kelerion:

"generic".. love the euphemism

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Juski:

this might even be a case where a kernel rejig is needed – just nobody else has encountered the problem yet.. who knows?

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Juski:

all very plausible

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Ediehow:

"rejig?"

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Juski:

with so many possible combinations of hardware.. its really amazing stuff works half the time

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Kelerion:

true

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Ediehow:

Juski:

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Ediehow:

so if i remove my pvr and audigy2

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Ediehow:

and it still occurs

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Ediehow:

what does that mean?

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Juski:

try taking out the audigy altogether

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Juski:

just one thing at a time

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Ediehow:

k

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Juski:

you don't have the onboard audio enabled with that audigy card do you?

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Ediehow:

not as far as i know

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Ediehow:

but wouldn

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Juski:

check that too

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Ediehow:

it show up in proc/interrupts?

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Juski:

yeh

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Juski:

I remember my first SB card buggerring up my 1st attempts at video capture

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Ediehow:

it doesn't seem to show up there

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Juski:

then a creative video card regularly crashed my system...

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Kelerion:

I didn't know creative *made* video cards

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Ediehow:

sure they do

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Juski:

video blaster.. 3d blaster

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Ediehow:

video blaster!

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Juski:

bag of shit blaster

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Juski:

ATI All in wonder why it doesn't work

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Kelerion:

I remember an older dvd decoder card of theirs.. long time ago..

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Kelerion:

video blaster rings a bell.. but don't think I've ever hard one

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Kelerion:

had

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Juski:

brooktree framegrabber thing

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Juski:

rebadged

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Kelerion:

ah.. okies

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Juski:

now 3DLabs.. they made some video cards :-D

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defaultro:

hi guys

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Juski:

now pwn3d by Creative

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defaultro:

has anyone experience this, mythfrontend goes away but it is still showed when you do a ps

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Juski:

can't say I've seen that

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Kelerion:

doesn't ring a bell

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defaultro:

ok

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rjune:

defaultro: hit alt-tab

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rjune:

did that help?

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defaultro:

I guess, i have to assign alt-tab then to my remote :)

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Juski:

btw Kelerion: DVB radio is working quite well, though I need to sort out why Xv & XvMC arent available to me so I can better appraise it

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laga:

defaultro: yep, i've experienced this. a killall mythfrontend helps. (it gets automagically restarted)

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defaultro:

i don't have any keyboard right now

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laga:

did it help? wow. i have to try that.

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Juski:

ssh into the box

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defaultro:

laga, that's what i do to for almost 8 months now :)

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defaultro:

i just thought of it and hope that someone knows it

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defaultro:

why does it happen though?

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Juski:

window focus issue?

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defaultro:

ok

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Kelerion:

sorry.. am lost.. what does xv or xvmc have to do with radio? I thought thought those were video things? (never used either though so haven't a clue what I'm talking about)

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laga:

i think it's some kind of weird crash. but i really should work out if alt+tab helps

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defaultro:

i will try alt+tab later

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Juski:

Kelerion: system is very sluggish @ playing video,,, which by weird freak (the patch) dvb radio has

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Kelerion:

ahh okies. .gotcha

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Juski:

minimise the window and voila... no more breaking up :-/

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Juski:

I think there's some work to be done for my card too.. stuff like DVB lock timeouts & things messing stuff up.. that'll _have_ to be sorted if I ever wanna upgrade

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Kelerion:

never thought of that before.. having dvb radio would mean no more chewing up bandwith for digital download of radio

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Juski:

or is DVB still semi-broken?

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Juski:

scan still doesn't seem to work

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Kelerion:

Juski.. you on cable or adsl btw?

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Juski:

cable

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Kelerion:

got a leaflet through the post a few weeks ago from NTL saying they are now offering 10MB broadband.. when I ditch my BT's adsl at the end of Feb am gonna take them up on it

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Juski:

I find NTL to be pretty good

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Juski:

not many outages.. certainly less than my dad has had with BT (and shorter, too)

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Juski:

they're gonna be upgradifying everyone to 10MB before long too :)

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Kelerion:

I love NTL.. but I can't have them for my business account.. when I set it up I called them.. they're response was "sorry.. we don't do business accounts in your area".. and I needed a static IP so that meant a business account

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Juski:

I've had 213.106.185.8 for like 18 months now

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Kelerion:

but in Feb I can ditch BT because I'm moving my servers.. so I can switch to NTL again :)

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Juski:

only changed when I got a new STB/cable modem

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Kelerion:

I know they last for ages.. but couldn't take the chance on a business server

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Juski:

that's what paid for dyndns is for ;) (yak)

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Kelerion:

well true.. personal preference I suppose.. just always had static ip's for my accounts.. stems from when I left Uni and setup my ISP/Cybercafe.. just felt nice having static IP's :)

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Kelerion:

setting up an ISP was my first intro to linux as it happens

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Juski:

upstream bandwidth is the only limitation of my BB connection – takes about 20 mins to upload 8 megs to my webspace

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Kelerion:

yup.. thats the reason I had to go to SDSL.. but it's just too expensive.. so am relocating my servers and I get a lot better connection for a lot less cash

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Juski:

saw a post where a guy was moaning coz NTL had bollocked him for downloading 300GB in 2 weeks.. 'linux distros, game demos & patches' he saud he was downloading

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Kelerion:

divx movies more likely.. lol

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Juski:

aye

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supa_user:

anyone know if there's a searchable mythtv-users ML archive?

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Kelerion:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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supa_user:

oh man, i completely missed the search box there before, thanks

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Kelerion:

np

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woloi:

hi, having some trouble with mythtv and mysql

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woloi:

check this thread out: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-419085.html

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woloi:

i'm not the original poster, but my error is the same as far as i can tell

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Kelerion:

is mythtv binding to a specific IP?

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Kelerion:

mysql even

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a1fa:

hi

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woloi:

um, it's running on a gentoo box, all default setups

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woloi:

let me check, i don't believe anything is bound to specific addresses

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Kelerion:

check it's bindings

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a1fa:

nvidia released a new driver

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Kelerion:

I had that problem with ubuntu

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woloi:

it's bound to localhost

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Kelerion:

and are you using a combines Frontend and Backend?

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Kelerion:

combined

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woloi:

you mean everything running on the same machine? yes

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Juski:

a1fa: is opengl vsync any good this time?

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Kelerion:

sorry.. dont know then..

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woloi:

what do you mean?

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Kelerion:

unless you've told the frontend to connect to a specific IP

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woloi:

i'm not even to the frontend yet, i'm trying to get the setup to work

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Kelerion:

or backend

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a1fa:

Juski: supposaly

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woloi:

the backend does load

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woloi:

but i can't store anything in the database

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Kelerion:

what are you setting the backend IP to in mythtvsetup?

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Juski:

a1fa: it's not on their website yet

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a1fa:

www.happypenguin.org

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woloi:

let me go check, that computer is in another room

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a1fa:

NVIDIA Linux Display Driver 1.0–8178 Updated 22 Dec 05 16:47

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Juski:

it's still foobarred

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a1fa:

sucks

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a1fa:

i cant use opengl w/ tv-out

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woloi:

oh, well, that'd do it...

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Juski:

7676 is good though by all accounts

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woloi:

mythbackend says it's starting, but it doesn't actually start

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Kelerion:

yup.. that'd do it

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Juski:

woloi: start mythbackend in a terminal

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a1fa:

or use gdm

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Kelerion:

mythbackend -v all

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Kelerion:

and see what error it gives

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woloi:

says it couldn't upgrade database to new schema

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a1fa:

lol

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Kelerion:

is mysql running

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a1fa:

woloi: run mythfilldatabase

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woloi:

mysql is running

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Kelerion:

have you got a mythconverg db in there?

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woloi:

yes

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woloi:

mythfilldatabase fails, one because it doesn't have anything to fill it with (no channel data) and another query error

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woloi:

"Table 'mythconverg.videosource' doesn't exist"

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Kelerion:

are you getting a "mythtv: could not connect to socket "?

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a1fa:

lol

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woloi:

no

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Kelerion:

like in the post you posted?

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Kelerion:

well it ain't the same problem then!

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Kelerion:

or is that an lirc thing? I can't remember

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woloi:

i think this may be due to mythbackend not working

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a1fa:

gotta go

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woloi:

mythsetup is not dependant on mythbackend, right? it just changes mysql values

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Kelerion:

well..it's needs to find your capture card and stuff too

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woloi:

but is that dependant on mythbackend running at the time?

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Kelerion:

nope

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woloi:

because i can't even get mythbackend to run

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Kelerion:

how are you running it?

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woloi:

typing mythbackend into a console

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Kelerion:

does it give an error?

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woloi:

yes

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woloi:

well, i think so

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Juski:

time for bed.. hope to be back to work tomorrow

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Juski:

night all

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Kelerion:

g'night :)

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Kelerion:

how's the testing of the theme going?

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woloi:

grr

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woloi:

i'm pretty sure i had this exact same setup last summer and it worked fine

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woloi:

mythtv doesn't have problems with mysql 4.1, does it?

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Guyfromhe:

i'm using 4.1

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woloi:

so that's not the problem then

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woloi:

didn't think it would be

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woloi:

as far as i can tell it's trying to create new tables in a database that already has the tables it needs

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Guyfromhe:

whats it saying

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woloi:

is there a limit on how much i can copy into here?

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woloi:

i don't want to flood the room

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woloi:

actually, give me a second, i can put it in a text file on my webspace

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GreyFoxx:

just paste to pastebin.ca and post a link

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woloi:

http://pastebin.ca/35806

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woloi:

that's a neat website

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woloi:

when i start mythbackend after just putting the database into mysql, it's a slightly different output

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GreyFoxx:

Quite handy

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woloi:

it tries to do a query that fails

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GreyFoxx:

So, you are installing from scratch ?

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woloi:

well, it was installed on this computer over the summer

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GreyFoxx:

well, it sounds like tables are missing

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GreyFoxx:

so either you wll have to restore them or wipe and start pver

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woloi:

i was away at school and upgraded to mysql5/qt4 without realizing what it would do, so i tried to redo everything from scratch short of the OS

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woloi:

the database is from scratch

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woloi:

i just copied it in (mysql < /path/to/file.sql)

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GreyFoxx:

and what is file.sql ? The mc.sql that comes with mythtv or some backup you had ?

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woloi:

the mc.sql that comes with myth

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GreyFoxx:

well something is odd since mc.sql doesn't create any tables and that error claims there are some in there

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GreyFoxx:

drop the database, create it again and then launch mythtv-setup

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Guyfromhe:

that sounds like a plan

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Guyfromhe:

thats waht i'd do

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woloi:

k, give me one second to run to the other room to try mythsetup

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cosmo_:

anyone else spend 8 hours trying to get samba working for the first time? :(

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Guyfromhe:

the first time, yes

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woloi:

hmm, my dad and brother are watching tv on my mythbox's head

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woloi:

haha, samba...yeah

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Guyfromhe:

i need to get it up again

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Guyfromhe:

thats all I have left to do

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woloi:

would trying to start mythbackend suffice? i can do that from the terminal on my computer here

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cosmo_:

does uit have a reputation for being a pain? Im using the simplest examples possible on samba site, doesn't work

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kevin:

Does anyone know of a quick, easy to understand guide to nvtv?

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GreyFoxx:

wole: You can use x11vnc or export the DISPLAY to your machine ?

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woloi:

samba is great once you understand it, until you do, it sucks

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GreyFoxx:

but mythbackend would create the tables, but obviously wont populate the info you need from setup

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woloi:

i don't think i have an x11 server on this pc (it's windows)

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woloi:

good point

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woloi:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

You could run x11vnc on the box and then VNC into it ? :)

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woloi:

does windows have vnc clients?

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woloi:

like, built in

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cesman:

no

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woloi:

or do i need to download one?

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cesman:

download

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GreyFoxx:

download realvnc

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woloi:

any suggestions on one?

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

Windows come with VNC? heheh

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Beirdo:

Microsoft support something useful?

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woloi:

lol, well, one could hope

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kevin:

not in this life time

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Cromz:

http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ <-- another option. x forwarding. mount this with like deamon tools, then run it from cd. ssh to that box. and and and.. wait that's too much ;)

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Kelerion:

it works the other way.. linux supports windows functionality.. krdc etc..

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woloi:

x11 forwarding is a pain, heh

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woloi:

i'd rather setup samba...

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GreyFoxx:

nah, x forwarding rox

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Cromz:

not with this cd.

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GreyFoxx:

DISPLAY=ip:0 ./appname

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GreyFoxx:

what could be simpler ?

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kevin:

so anyone good with nvtv?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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o_cee sets mode -o o_cee

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o_cee:

there's been lots of dumbasses.. :)

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Beirdo:

way too many :)

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puetzk:

I already managed to answer my own question (Q:does mythtv 0.18.1 work with mysql5? A: no)

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supa_user:

current sources do plus there's a patch

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GreyFoxx:

0.18-fixes will

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supa_user:

if you so desire

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Beirdo:

oh wow, someone who actually helps themselves :)

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puetzk:

yeah, I saw that

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supa_user:

anyone using a plextor convertx2?

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puetzk:

debian is apparently eliminating 4.1 tonight, so there may be other supplicants about with that issue :-)

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puetzk:

I knew it didn't work in 0.18, so I hadn't let it upgrade yet

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supa_user:

it's not a huge change

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supa_user:

just a field or 2 that is now reserved in mysql5

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darkdrgn2k:

hey any one out there ever use a twinhan dvb card?

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Ryushin:

Oh yea, 2.6.15 has been released. Time to upgrade.

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GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: I do

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: Why? Got a problem with the kernel you have now ?

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: so it works well with myth?

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Kelerion:

I have one.. not used it for anything but the remote though

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GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: It works well with the dvb drivers, and as long as myth works with the dv drivers all is good :)(

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puetzk:

GreyFoxx: yep. It's suddenly old :-)

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Beirdo:

crazy ricers

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: where can i get info on the dvb driver

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GreyFoxx:

google ?

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: just wondering if you had a site handy.. im already googling

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: you dont happen to know if the dvb drivers accept keys do you?

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GreyFoxx:

You referring to camslots ?

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: i guess i am

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GreyFoxx:

or do you mean software to decrypt encrypted signals ?

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GreyFoxx:

camslots are physical devices

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: no not cams then

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GreyFoxx:

Softcams are explicitly not supported here :)

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GreyFoxx:

And no myth doesn't support them

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: I didnt think they where... but you never know right :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: just curiouse

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GreyFoxx:

It's not the drivers, it's software/hardware that handle the decryption. the drivers have no knowledge of it really

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: hmm i see..

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: LOL 10 bucks says some one has already done it though LOL

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GreyFoxx:

it has been done

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darkdrgn2k:

and no im not doing it..... this is all realyl curiosity

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GreyFoxx:

there are patches

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darkdrgn2k:

cool..

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Ryushin:

Greyfoxx: 2.6.15 and ivtv 5.1 work well together now. No cleaning out modules between each other.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: so? Your setup isn't working now?:)

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Ryushin:

Yea, it is.

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Ryushin:

But it will be nice to have the HD-3000, PVR-350, IVTV, and the kernel all play nice for a change.

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: do you use yopur pci for FTA?

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** Beirdo yaws **

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GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: I use to. Right now I'm using it for some dev work for a project for my uncle

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Beirdo:

yawns even

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: cool.. im thinkin of getting satalite.. feeling out the posabilitis :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: and i REALLY like myth so looking at the possabilites

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GreyFoxx:

my uncle wants a mythbox connected to his spare dishnet receiver, but has no internet connection

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm using the dvb card to grab the listings that his pvr250+myth will use

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: interesting

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GreyFoxx:

It's been interesting. Added support for the dish EIT info (it's compressed unlike other sat providers) and cleaned up a lot of needed db access and processing

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL fun fun fun

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darkdrgn2k:

i HATE parsing!

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GreyFoxx:

To me it is :)

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darkdrgn2k:

or revers engenearing databases :-P

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GreyFoxx:

gave me a reason to post through the myth dvb code

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GreyFoxx:

poke

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darkdrgn2k:

ive been working on reverse engenearing my telephone's calander to work with outlook

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

got 1/2 way done

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GreyFoxx:

I wrote my own phone book (php/mysql) and I sync that to my outlook and Blackberry

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GreyFoxx:

Gave me something better to do than work that morning

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: problem is i ahd to use BITPIM to pull the RAW data file form the phone :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

what does DN mean

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GreyFoxx:

dishnet

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darkdrgn2k:

aaaa

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darkdrgn2k:

duu

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: is there any way to get a legit hardware cam to work with myth?

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dasOp:

uh

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darkdrgn2k:

(like my local satalite provider)

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dasOp:

does that even have to do with myth?

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GreyFoxx:

not for a North American provider

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

there isn't for Expresspoop

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Beirdo:

unless Expresspoop provides it

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GreyFoxx:

I've spoken to them, they wouldn't even discuss providing one :)

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Beirdo:

of course not

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: LOL yeh i REALLY hate bell.. AND rogers

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: there is NO winning with iether righ tnow... i dont even know which internet to keep!

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GreyFoxx:

They own the playing field, they get to try and restrict who plays on it :)

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: you knwo what kinda $hit they do with e-mail

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darkdrgn2k:

BELL: blocks ALL other SMTP servers except their own

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darkdrgn2k:

and 2 of theirs is on SORBS black lists

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GreyFoxx:

most larger isps do that now

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GreyFoxx:

it's becoming more and more common

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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GreyFoxx:

for both incoming and outgoing

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darkdrgn2k:

but then listen to this:

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kados:

how do I tell what video modes my card supports?

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darkdrgn2k:

ROGRRES: did the same AND they ONLY allow e-mails with "@ROGERS.CA" as the SENDER to go trough

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kados:

anyone using a 16:9 resolution for a widescreen tv?

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darkdrgn2k:

so my client, who has a laptop and bell at the office rogers at home

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darkdrgn2k:

cant send e-mails

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darkdrgn2k:

i WONDER why

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Agrajag-:

kados: no but i use 16:9 on a normal tv

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Beirdo:

SORBS is pointless

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darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: yes... i have come to realize that..

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darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: but so is fighting spam!

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kados:

Agrajag-: what resolution do you recommend for a 40" tv ... supposing that my ati radeon 9100 will support it

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Beirdo:

SORBS isn't about fighting spam

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kados:

Agrajag-: I'm new to this stuff btw ... so go easy :-)

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Beirdo:

it's about a power trip for those who run it

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darkdrgn2k:

Beirdo: LOL thats funny... cause its true

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darkdrgn2k:

what does VDR stand for?

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darkdrgn2k:

video data recorder ?!?!

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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Beirdo:

very dumb retards?

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Agrajag-:

kados: no idea sorry

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Beirdo:

kados: I use 800x600 on my 36" XBR with a 9600 pro

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Beirdo:

1024x768 was also decent

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hpAuto:

mythfrontend crashes while using mythmusic every time that visual with the gears comes up

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kados:

Beirdo: I think I'm using 1024x768 now ... it's the wrong aspect ratio for my tv

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hpAuto:

anyone else notice that?

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kados:

Beirdo: how can I tell what resolution I'm running?

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Beirdo:

xdpyinfo

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kados:

yea, it's 1024x768 currently ... what would be a good 16:9 resolution?

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Beirdo:

dunno, get out a calculator :)

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Beirdo:

1024x576 is 16:9

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darkdrgn2k:

just out of curiosity, you mentioned mythtv doesnt support theres cam thingies... what do you mean by that?

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Beirdo:

dunno if it's a useful resolution

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neosmatrix:

hi all – has anyone installed mythtv 18.1 on mandriva2006.1.3 ?

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piksel:

neosmatrix: just tried, and couldn't get it working, so I went back to Mandrake 10.1

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darkdrgn2k:

neosmatrix: umm i run myuth on 200

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darkdrgn2k:

6

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neosmatrix:

piksel: hmm :/

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piksel:

I didn't try too hard, but the problem came when lirc wasn't working... though after reverting to my backup, I think the problem is actually my remote's batteries are dead

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neosmatrix:

darkdrgn2k: but not on the newest ? and do you use an x86_64 version ?

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL nop 32

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darkdrgn2k:

i installed from rpms

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neosmatrix:

darkdrgn2k: k I cannot find libqt3-mysql rpms :/

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neosmatrix:

and mythtv-setup gets no mysql connection

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darkdrgn2k:

libqt3-devel-3.3.4–23mdk

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darkdrgn2k:

libqt3-mysql-3.3.4–23mdk

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darkdrgn2k:

php-mysql-5.0.4–1mdk

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neosmatrix:

i have li64qt3–3.3.5–10mdk

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neosmatrix:

so i think i must wait

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neosmatrix:

:/

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darkdrgn2k:

neosmatrix: did you try urpmi

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darkdrgn2k:

neosmatrix: and easy urpmi site

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neosmatrix:

darkdrgn2k: i tried urpmi and a lot of rpm-sites

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neosmatrix:

darkdrgn2k: no luck

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quantum:

I am still trying to figure out how to get the voice track when I try to rip one of my DVD's. On newer DVD's I ususally can't get an english voice track to rip. Anybody know how to fix this? it just comes out silent. But I can play the DVD

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quantum:

has anyone been able to install dvd-rip on fc4?

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quantum:

is there a link for a searchable mtythv database

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quantum:

for help reqeusts etc

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quantum:

IS ANYONE ALIVE HERE

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KaiForce:

anyone know what tuner type the newer PVR-250s are ? ivtv is detecting mine as a pvr-150 tuner type 50 and all I see out of it is static

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KaiForce:

i also have an older 250 that is being detected correctly in the same box

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Ryushin:

KaiForce: I've been told hauppauge has changed tuners a lot.

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Ryushin:

Maybe they are sticking the 150 tuners in the 250's now.

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KaiForce:

possible, i'm researching it now

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Ryushin:

I think ivtv .5.1 and the latest 2.6.15 will fully support these cards now along with the hd-3000 card. At least this is what I read.

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jmfrei:

hey guys

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jmfrei:

whats an optimal value for vsync and hsync if using tv-out for a TV?

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KaiForce:

is 5.1 fairly stable? hey jmfrei

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jmfrei:

hey KaiForce

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Ryushin:

kaiforce: I've heard good things.

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Ryushin:

I haven't upgraded yet, but since the kernel came out yesterday, I'll be upgrading probably this weekend.

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Ryushin:

I also use myth svn.

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Ryushin:

Well, gotta run. sorry.

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KaiForce:

ok take care, thanks

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

everytime i multitasking while watching a recording, i get a

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joev:

I am getting a blue screen when trying to play previously recorded shows that I have watched in thje past

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Ediehow:

2006-01–04 22:11:24.787 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Ediehow:

2006-01–04 22:11:24.880 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Ediehow:

2006-01–04 22:11:26.489 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Ediehow:

etc

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Ediehow:

i did a nice -20 mythfrontend

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joev:

the preview is fine and so is the audio

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kormoc:

Ediehow, that would point to a sound card issue

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joev:

any ideas?

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kormoc:

Ediehow, you sure your card is setup correctly?

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Ediehow:

kormoc: i am not sure how it would be incorrect?

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Ediehow:

kormoc: the video stutters at the same time, does that mean anything?

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kormoc:

Ediehow, from the lines you posted before, the video was stretched or dropped to keep the audio insync. Do you have aggressive buffering enabled?

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Ediehow:

no, let me see

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Ediehow:

shoot, where is that under again?

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Ediehow:

i thought it was playback

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Ediehow:

"extra audio buffering"?

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kormoc:

yup

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Ediehow:

it is not enabled, no

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Ediehow:

i should enable it?

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Ediehow:

...

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Ediehow:

kormoc: i should enable it?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

you should

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Ediehow:

ok

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Ediehow:

enalbed now

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Ediehow:

not giving that error anymore

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Ediehow:

wasn't that for slower machines?

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joev:

anyone help with a blue screen

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

it is for people with hardware mpeg encoders that have audio underrun problems

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Ediehow:

so it has nothing to do with how good machine is?

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kormoc:

nothing at all

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Ediehow:

k

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Ediehow:

brb

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cosmo_:

im using myth on a gentoo machine. Is it safe to remove /home/mythtv? also, how can I get the mythtv user to not show up in kdm?

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kormoc:

cosmo_, talk to Cardoe

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kormoc:

there's a reason for that existing

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cosmo_:

is he the maintainer or something?

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kormoc:

yes

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cosmo_:

I figured hed be in here ;)

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joev:

xris, can you help with a blue screen problem?

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piksel:

grrr... "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" and then "mplayer test.mpg" just gives me a blank screen for a while

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Guyfromhe:

just for a while?

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piksel:

I tried fiddling with "modprobe saa7127" parameters, and now "cat /dev/video0" produces an empty file

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: dependent on how long I wait until I hit ctrl+c

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: so it is recording something... just not anything I want it to record

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Guyfromhe:

better than nothing

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Guyfromhe:

do you get snow or just a blank screen?

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: blank screen

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Guyfromhe:

what input are you using

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Guyfromhe:

?

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piksel:

I know there is some solution that I read about before, but it doesn't seem to be working for me

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Guyfromhe:

and what card?

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: I think its called a composite (its a tv coax cable)

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: hauppauge 350

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Guyfromhe:

if it's a tv coax cable it's coax not composite

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: Mandrake 10.1, mythtv-0.16

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Guyfromhe:

ick

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Guyfromhe:

why not run 0.18?

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Guyfromhe:

.16 was alot less stable

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Guyfromhe:

.18 hasn't crahsed on me yet

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piksel:

I tried to update to 0.18, but everything broke, and I've spent the past like month trying to get everything back to working again

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Guyfromhe:

ouch

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Guyfromhe:

i just did a clean install in like 2 days

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Guyfromhe:

anyway um...

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Guyfromhe:

what input did you select before you started recording?

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bobc:

has anyone here been able to get closed captions displayed with ivtv? I don't see any cc info when I toggle cc using latest svn

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: ... I don't think I ever selected an input

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Guyfromhe:

bobc: I havn't

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Guyfromhe:

piksel: it's robably on svideo or composite

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kormoc:

bobc, I don't think it's supported with ivtv

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: my output is svideo I believe

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Guyfromhe:

your input is what matters

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bobc:

kormoc: it is with ivtv-0.4.0 and mythtv svn

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: but my input is from the tv coax looking cable

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kormoc:

bobc, ooh? so it works well?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: you

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Cardoe:

er yo

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kormoc:

Cardoe, mornin'

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kormoc:

bobc, I don't see anything about CC in the change log (http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/ChangeLog)

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Guyfromhe:

piksel: you need to select your input on the card

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bobc:

kormoc: only with PVR250/350, not with 150/500, been in while with ivtv

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Guyfromhe:

i've got a 350

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kormoc:

bobc, what version added it for the 250/350?

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: how do I select the input?

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Guyfromhe:

piksel: try this /usr/bin/ivtvctl -p 4

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Guyfromhe:

see if that works

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Guyfromhe:

if it doesn't give an error try capturing again

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Guyfromhe:

you should either get TV or snow

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Guyfromhe:

might need to try -p 0 but it's usually 4

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bobc:

kormoc: I have no clue, well before 0.4.0

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kormoc:

I set vbi to cc and it doesn't seem to do anything at all

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Guyfromhe:

does CC pass through non-coax?

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kormoc:

I don't beleive so

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kormoc:

but I could be quite wrong

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Guyfromhe:

i've never really tested it

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Guyfromhe:

but that could be why

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GreyFoxx:

Well, CC info is just embedded on certain scanlines, so it would depend on what was outputting the video

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: I LOVE YOU!!!

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bobc:

see this thread from the mailing list: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . vctl;#171192

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piksel:

Guyfromhe: it worked!

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Guyfromhe:

yay

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Cardoe:

kormoc: what's going on?

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kormoc:

not too much, what's up with you?

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bobc:

kormoc: ticket 368 also has a lot of info about cc with ivtv, but it appears to still be a work in progress http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/368

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jasta:

yawn

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piksel:

hmmm... now how do I get the computer to remember that "ivtvctl -p 4"? Is there a config file I can change, or do I need to have that run from a cron job or something?

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kormoc:

mythtv should set it automatically

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kormoc:

if you have set it up correctly

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piksel:

kormoc: then I guess its not set up correctly :(. Do you know where I would set this param?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

under inputs

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Guyfromhe:

it should be called tuner(0) i believe

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JeffATL:

i've hit a brick wall with nvidia drivers and getting "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" at startx time

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Guyfromhe:

don't have that card no idea

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Cromz:

hmmm Juski you here? :P

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JeffATL:

fwiw, card is the geforce mx 4000

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JeffATL:

spending too much time waiting for this one hottie to give a rat's ass about me (even though at one point she was coming ov to my apartment unbidden most every day), asking one girl to an ice cream social only to have her be taken to a psych ward a week or so later...

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JeffATL:

finally settling for this selfish brat my senior year...

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JeffATL:

(sharpening straight razor.,..)

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kormoc:

JeffATL, lsmod shows the nvidia module is loaded?

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kormoc:

JeffATL, as for the girls, just keep in mind, all girls are insane

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Guyfromhe:

good ol insane girls

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hpAuto:

does mythstream still work?

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Guyfromhe:

did you break it?

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hpAuto:

I dunno, I'm wondering if it works with latest version

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Guyfromhe:

no idea

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Guyfromhe:

whats mythstream?

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hpAuto:

listen to internet streams

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hpAuto:

doesn't work for me

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Guyfromhe:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

thats not good

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hpAuto:

can't even get it to show up in the menu

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Guyfromhe:

did you try harder?

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hpAuto:

tryed all I know

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JeffATL:

kormoc: module is loaded

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kormoc:

JeffATL, same version as the libs?

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hpAuto:

can you load a plugin manually?

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JeffATL:

kormoc: yes; only versin on machine

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GreyFoxx:

hpAuto: with modprobe/insmod

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hpAuto:

no I mean mythplugin

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Guyfromhe:

brb gotta lart someone

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kormoc:

JeffATL, throw up your xorg.log file?

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, no

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JeffATL:

kormoc: std by

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JeffATL:

kormoc: see http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sG1QLU41.html

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kormoc:

JeffATL, and dmesg says?

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JeffATL:

ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11

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JeffATL:

NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0–6629 Wed Nov 3 13:12:51 PST 2004

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kormoc:

6629 is rather a old version

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kormoc:

I don't think it supports the 6xxx cards

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JeffATL:

the 6xxx cards?

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kormoc:

6200, 6600, 6800

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kormoc:

you said you have a 6200 right?

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JeffATL:

no, mx 4000

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kormoc:

ooh

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JeffATL:

hence my confusion at your statement

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kormoc:

I would still try verion 7676 if I was you

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JeffATL:

although, it's being suggested on #gentoo that I unmask a newer driver

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Guyfromhe:

larting complete

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cosmo_:

so Ive finally gotten samba working so I can, theoretically, view recordings on my winbox, but the audio isn't working, and it says "unable to download appropriae decompressor". Ihave divx and dsmyth installed, what else do I need?

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Guyfromhe:

weird

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Guyfromhe:

how are they encoded?

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cosmo_:

just mpg2 files, I havent transcoded

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Guyfromhe:

shouldn't be an issue then

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Guyfromhe:

what do you have set for your audio in your reocrding profile

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Guyfromhe:

?

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JeffATL:

kormoc: i've got versions clear out to 8178!

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cosmo_:

sampling rate 32000, layer II, 384 kbps, 90

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cosmo_:

% volume

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cosmo_:

really, its just the default

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Guyfromhe:

weord

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Guyfromhe:

weird

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cosmo_:

should I maybe avoid the cvs version of dsmyth?

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Guyfromhe:

I have no issues

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Guyfromhe:

dsmyth?

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Guyfromhe:

i've had no trouble with mine...weir

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Guyfromhe:

d

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cosmo_:

the mythtv filters, that winmyth requires

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Guyfromhe:

winmyth?

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Guyfromhe:

that thing didn't work worht a damn for me

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Guyfromhe:

I gave up on it

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kormoc:

JeffATL, welp. might as well update

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cosmo_:

yeah, me too, but all the icons I see of the recordings in the samba share have the dsmyth icon, so I assumed it was a requirement

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Guyfromhe:

probably because their .nuv files

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Guyfromhe:

but no not requied

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Guyfromhe:

did you try opening the file in mplayer?

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JeffATL:

kormoc: looks like i'm getting a complain because nvidia framebuffer is enabled in kernel config

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JeffATL:

good thing i've got distcc running

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kormoc:

that would be a issue, aye

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cosmo_:

mplayer on the linux box? yup, works perfectly

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Guyfromhe:

how about on the winbox?

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cosmo_:

windows media player

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Guyfromhe:

yea

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Guyfromhe:

mplauer

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kormoc:

there is a port of the linux mplayer to windows

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Guyfromhe:

regular mplayer2

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cosmo_:

excellent, I'll try that then, and get rid of this dsmyth stuff

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Guyfromhe:

good

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cosmo_:

just trying to make this as non-techie freindly as possible for my gf, so, may I ask, has anyone tried this?

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cosmo_:

http://svn.wilsonet.com/projects/mythtvology/ticket/88

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Guyfromhe:

it doesn't seem to like sudden movements

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cosmo_:

dinosaurs?

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Guyfromhe:

mythtv

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Guyfromhe:

if I change something too fast it locks up sometimes

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cosmo_:

ah ;)

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jmfrei:

hey guys

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jmfrei:

I'm stumped..but I compiled lirc support into myth

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jmfrei:

however, when I start mythfrontend, it doesnt' look for lirc

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jmfrei:

is there something I am missing?

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cosmo_:

sweet, that works, too bad I dont have commerical skip though

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Guyfromhe:

why not?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: so what needs to be fixed?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: I've been battling other Gentoo developers so much

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kormoc:

ooh?

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jmfrei:

anyone here get lirc to work?

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cosmo_:

well, I got that neat hack that I posted the link for, so I can click a recorded program in mythweb on a winbox, and have it play in vlc. Theres no commerical skip, but I suppose I can cut the commericials out via transcode

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Cardoe:

kormoc: yeah. it's not fun

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kormoc:

Up until my mythbox lost a drive, it was working fine, other then the init.d script being borked

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jmfrei:

I'm trying to get myth to work with irxevent

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jmfrei:

but it doesn't react to any of the buttons

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jmfrei:

execpt Escape

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Cardoe:

kormoc: gotta figure that damn thing out.

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cosmo_:

hey Cardoe, I hear your the maintainer for gentoo? Is it safe to remove the /home/mythtv folder, and is it possible to not have the mythtv user show up in kdm?

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jmfrei:

well, the remote button that represents Escape

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Cardoe:

kormoc: I'm having modular X issues with 0.18.2

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Cardoe:

kormoc: 0.19 works...

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kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah... it's a head scratcher. Does the init.d script work with yours?

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

what sort of issues?

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Cardoe:

cosmo_: uh.. mask it using kdm stuff...

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Cardoe:

I dunno

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Cardoe:

I don't have kdm installed.

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Cardoe:

What created the mythtv folder?

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Cardoe:

cause only the masked ebuild does.

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cosmo_:

Cardoe, emerge mythtv did, or one of the dependencies

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Cardoe:

kormoc: the paths from the qmake files are ALL wrong

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cosmo_:

Cardoe, oh, well thats it, I unmased it

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Cardoe:

cosmo_: nope. Only the masked on does.

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** Cardoe ponders why. **

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cosmo_:

Cardoe, nevermind, your right

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kormoc:

it didn't create one for myself

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Umaro:

anyone here using knoppmyth R5A30 that can tell me the "fix" in KnoppMyth.sql? (sorry, tried asking in #knoppmyth but didn't get an answer, so am trying here.)

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Cardoe:

kormoc: yeah all the paths are wrong

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Cardoe:

cause modular changed some of the paths

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** kormoc nods **

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Cardoe:

but not really

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cosmo_:

Cardoe, so, why is there a home folder in the masked version?

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Cardoe:

cosmo_: because I'm making the ebuild more logical

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Cardoe:

rather then the stupid crap that people insist on sticking in the Wiki

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Cardoe:

like "install kdm"

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Cardoe:

"use kdm"

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Cardoe:

stupid...

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cosmo_:

id love to use xdm, but use lots of wm's......

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kormoc:

having /etc/mythtv for the config files

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Cardoe:

kormoc: well that's the plan

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Cardoe:

kormoc: the masked ebuild does that

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kormoc:

yeah, I love it

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Cardoe:

Basically

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Cardoe:

the qmake doesn't do -L/usr/lib/xorg/

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Cardoe:

so it can't pull in the seperately built libraries

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Cardoe:

like XRandr

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kormoc:

ahh, isn't that a easy patch?

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Cardoe:

yeah a patch to like all of the qmake files

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Cardoe:

I patched it

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Cardoe:

sent them to jarod

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Cardoe:

he hasn't commited it yet

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Cardoe:

Chutt says it's a waste of time

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

ooh?

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Cardoe:

I should start worrying about packaging 0.19

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Cardoe:

Since that's coming soon

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Cardoe:

So I'm thinking of doing that.

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Cardoe:

and Chutt fixed it in 0.19

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kormoc:

Yeah, I'd give a ebuild of .19 a try

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Cardoe:

ok

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** Cardoe is gonna work on it **

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Cardoe:

if my ppc box decides to boot

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kormoc:

heh

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Cardoe:

it suddently decided it's not gonna boot anymore

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kormoc:

hopefully I'll have a working webserver in a day or two again

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kormoc:

and then the data recovery can begin!

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Cardoe:

fun!

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cosmo_:

Ive been having a "nothing works all of a sudden" week.......

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kormoc:

luckly my important data is backuped nightly, and the drive should be able to be powered on readonly and read from

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cosmo_:

Cardoe, if you wouldn't mind me asking, would it be safe to merely move the home folder elsewhere? Ive got a weird multiple hd setup here

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Cardoe:

cosmo_: that's fine

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Cardoe:

kormoc: that's good.

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Majestic12:

Hello

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BlackJudas:

What's a good setup for wm/login manager? I see on the gentoo-wiki that evilwm and kdm are recommended. I'd rather not use kdm... will gdm be able to auto-run mythfrontend on login?

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kormoc:

gnome should be able to, aye

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BlackJudas:

Ok, that's good :)

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BlackJudas:

I'd like gdm to auto login the mythtv user and start mythfrontend. This has been done using gdm before, time to google ;)

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Ediehow:

hiya

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Ediehow:

so what's up with www.tvshows.org?

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Ediehow:

looks mighty interesting

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qupada:

i think the question is "how many countries is this actually legal in?"

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Ediehow:

it's legal here

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Ediehow:

in U.S.

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Ediehow:

i think it's like itunes

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qupada:

the fact they're charging a membership fee rather than for each item makes it seem a little fishy

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Ediehow:

well

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Ediehow:

it makes sense

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Ediehow:

it was advertised on a big media site

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Ediehow:

that's why i think it's probably legit

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Ediehow:

that's where i just saw it

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Umaro:

someone on the ML was talking about 0.19.. I assume they mean SVN?

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adante:

what window manager do people use with myth?

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adante:

i'm getting sick of fluxbox failing to give mplayer focus in mythvideo

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Juski:

adante: I use ratpoison – I can't remember ever having window focus problems with it

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adante:

alas the box still gets used with a keyboard/mouse, so i need a wm that actually allows more versatile window management, so to speak

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Juski:

adante: so you'll have to be more... inventive

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Juski:

I've seen a solution for window focus problems that uses a terminal... open the terminal, send the command into the terminal.. and that almost guarantees correct focus (allegedly)

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Juski:

Chromz: wakey wakey!

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cosmo_:

whenever I enable xvmc, and I seek during playback, I get a weird jittery effect for a few seconds, is this normal?

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Juski:

cosmo_: it's something I've seen before – on my gentoo frontend that I no longer have

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Merlin83b3:

Juski: I fixed the problem by disabling the deinterlace stuff.

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Juski:

Merlin83b3: but TV'll look awful

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Merlin83b3:

Yeah, it doesn't look as good as with it on.

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Merlin83b3:

That's for sure.

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cosmo_:

we can deinterlace permanently with a transcode right?

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Merlin83b3:

Juski: What version of mythfrontend are you actually running? The full version with the date in. Maybe something got fixed since the binary I'm using.

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adante:

cosmo_: yep i get that

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Juski:

Merlin: just 0.18.1 – it's the one in minimyth

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Juski:

I'm not counting the SVN I'm playing with

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Juski:

trying to get mythvideo scripts to work at the minute.. got all the dependencies as far as I can tell, but I get "Can't locate XML/Simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at imdb.pl line 22."

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Merlin83b3:

Heh, XML Perl modules. Bane of my life.

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Juski:

ah. I don't _have_ a Simple.pm

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Merlin83b3:

That'd do it!

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Juski:

well rather I _do_ but not in XML

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Juski:

hmm missing dep

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Juski:

and there are quite a few perl libs to choose from

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Merlin83b3:

perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::Simple"

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Merlin83b3:

:-)

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Juski:

ugh it needs LYNX

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Juski:

lynx – got now

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Juski:

and ncftp

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Juski:

Merlin: does it normally take a while to fetch the gz files?

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Merlin83b3:

Shouldn't take too long – depends on your network link.

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Merlin83b3:

starting again, perl -MCPAN -e shell

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Merlin83b3:

It might ask you for configuration if so answer no.

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Juski:

yay

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Juski:

so now what do I do?

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Merlin83b3:

then do o conf urllist

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Merlin83b3:

What do you get?

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Juski:

ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/CPAN/

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Merlin83b3:

Demon's CPAN mirror hasn't been working for a while...

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Merlin83b3:

o conf urllist pop

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

yep

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Merlin83b3:

o conf urllist push ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/ftp.funet.fi/pu . . . s/perl/CPAN/

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Merlin83b3:

o conf commit

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Merlin83b3:

install XML::Simple

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Juski:

doing...

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Juski:

it's grabbing stuff

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Juski:

and done

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Juski:

ahh.. try it with the right case this time...

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Juski:

right – now it's done.. anything else to do?

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Merlin83b3:

exit

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Merlin83b3:

:-)

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Juski:

now perl imdb.pl doesn't error out :)

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Juski:

thanks Merlin

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Juski:

very muchly!

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Juski:

hmmm I wonder if any other Breezy users have run into that one

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Juski:

libperl etc were installed already.. just not XML::Simple

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Merlin83b3:

Happy to help :-)

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stuarta:

Juski: according to packages.ubuntu.com packages libtemplate-perl & libxml-simple-perl provide Simple.pm

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Juski:

stuarta: thanks

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Juski:

now if I can get shot of all these prebuffering pauses in livetv (svn)

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Merlin83b3:

Hey, that's what I'm getting ;-)

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Merlin83b3:

Try disabling deinterlace!

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Juski:

it's not enabled

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Merlin83b3:

Oh.

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Juski:

according to myth, I can't use xvmc (not supported by display)

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Juski:

but in the xorg log it's getting loaded

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Juski:

same for Xv

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Juski:

thing is – when I installed the myth binary packages (0.18) I didn't get this

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stuarta:

juski: does xdpyinfo show XMotionCompensation extension?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

but it's in the log

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stuarta:

Juski: must be some extra configuration required

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Juski:

that's what I think, but can I hell find any info about it

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stuarta:

juski: I ended up ignoring it as I have sufficient horsepower.

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Juski:

I don't, so I sort of need it :)

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stuarta:

suspect it is highly video card & driver dependant

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Juski:

in the "module" section of xorg.conf... I've got GLcore, i2c, bitmap, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, into10, type1 and vbe ... no Xv

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stuarta:

Xv != XVMc

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Juski:

I know that

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Juski:

but there's not even Xv

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stuarta:

I think it's part of the core, so it won't show as a module, as long as it's in xdpyinfo output

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Juski:

when I select libmpeg or something other than xvmc in mythtv's playback decoder prefs, mythtv complains there's not even xv support

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stuarta:

bugger.

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stuarta:

if it makes you feel any better I've only these modules in xorg.conf: dbe, extmod, fbdevhw, glx, record, freetype, type1, dri

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

well now myth isn't complaining about a lack of Xv

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** stuarta scratches his head bemusedly **

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Juski:

with the frontend window minimised, no more prebuffering pauses

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Juski:

so that's why I think I need some acceleration

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wole:

morning all

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laga:

morning wole

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stuarta:

it's till morning? going to be a long day....

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laga:

well, i got up at noon...

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Juski:

mornin

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Juski:

must be breakfast time

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Merlin83b3:

Blimey, it's nearly lunchtime!

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laga:

i've just had breakfast. what do you want? ;)

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Juski:

mmm toast

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** laga had real buns **

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jjholt:

can a Semprom 2400+/1.667GHz with 512MB of memory encode and do live tv?

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laga:

what capture card?

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Juski:

jjholt: an athlon 800 can do it, but it's crap at it.. so I expect a 1.6Ghz CPU is slightly less worse

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Juski:

just bite the bullet, spend bit of extra cash & get a PVR card instead

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jjholt:

SBT-TVFM FM Radio /TV Tuner PCI Capture Card

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Juski:

SAA based framegrabber tuner card.. probably not worth the money when you can get an encoding card for not that much more cash

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jjholt:

recomend any specific card?

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Juski:

PVR150 or PVR250, or PVR350

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Juski:

and PVR500 (dual tuner, dual MPEG2 encoder onboard)

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jjholt:

thanks

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Juski:

I'm not saying that Sabrent card won't be much cop – just that you can get much better for not much more money ;-)

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Juski:

unless you live somewhere where Hauppauge cards aren't widely available or cheap

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qupada:

they're cheap anywhere?

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Juski:

I can get a PVR150 for like £40 here

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Juski:

which isn't even twice as much as a crap framegrabber card

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jjholt:

I'll have to go by COmpusa or bestbuy later today

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qupada:

if only they were that cheap in this part of the world, would buy one from ebay but an ntsc version is just about useless

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** laga can get a pvr 150 for 60EUR **

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qupada:

the 150 is NZD$125 oem or $180 retail... USD$85/$126, as usual we get shafted for being 10,000km away from the USA

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Juski:

ouch!

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laga:

$85 is not that much...well, not when you keep in mind that the dollar sucks atm (IIRC)

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qupada:

i would probably buy a 500, i think it's $280 oem

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Juski:

wooooo I like the new mythweb :)

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laga:

me too :)

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stuarta:

think everything now works too :)

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Juski:

hmm I'm not getting EIT program data for every channel.. and useonairguide is set to '1' for everything

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psofa:

i want to add a new button in mainmenu.xml that launches a program.Can someone tell me how can i do that?

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stuarta:

juski: you need to set it on the cardinput as well.

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Juski:

stuarta.. I'm getting EIT data for some channels

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stuarta:

juski: takes a while to get a complete set of EIT data

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stuarta:

also some channels don't transmit epg

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Juski:

oh yeh

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Juski:

i think all the radio channels used to have data though

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stuarta:

they definitely did.

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stuarta:

haven't checked lately, will test when I test radio patch

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Juski:

any way to check which ones do?

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stuarta:

erm, tvgrab_dvb is a good checking tool.

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stuarta:

lots of things to fix in the EIT rewrite :-)

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psofa:

what should the <action>.....</action> part be in .xml inorder to launch a program?

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Juski:

stuarta: lots of stuff for the channels I'm not getting guide data for

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stuarta:

juski: are they only the radio channels

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Juski:

yes

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Juski:

oh hang on.. not just the radio channels

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Juski:

sky news.. sky travel (three), e4+1.. the hits, TMF...

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Merlin83b3:

I have guide data for those.

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stuarta:

same here. How long has the backend been running?

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Juski:

does the EIT get updated in the background whether or not you're using livetv/recording?

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Juski:

been going for a couple of hours now

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stuarta:

goes passive when the tuner is in use, active when not

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Juski:

ahh

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stuarta:

if the tuner's been in use all this time then you only have data being transmitted on that mplex

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Juski:

wasn't even getting that

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stuarta:

also for the uk, change the value of time to spend on a channel for eit data to 10mins

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Juski:

where's that set up again?

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stuarta:

believe it's in the backend setup.

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Juski:

ahh tis under 'general' settings

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** stuarta goes to lunch **

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Juski:

psofa: <action>exec progfile</action> iirc

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psofa:

ye found it out some minutes ago

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psofa:

:P

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psofa:

you are correct

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Juski:

what are you doing anyway?

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psofa:

Juski, ill use vdr for tv

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psofa:

bcause myth is not stable

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psofa:

and tuning takes ages

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psofa:

:D

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psofa:

wheres that option im myth " Use dvb card on demand"

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Juski:

in mythtv-setup

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D-side:

"myth is not stable" is one hell of a statement.

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psofa:

im there but cant find it

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psofa:

:D

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Juski:

0.18 is massively stable on my system

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psofa:

D-side, ok svn isnt stable

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psofa:

but i have to use it for dvb-s

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D-side:

i suppose you have a point then.

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GreyFoxx:

psofa, not stable for you maybe

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GreyFoxx:

most people have no problem with it

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D-side:

heh. let the flames begin.

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laga:

svn is quite stable for me, recording-wise ;)

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GreyFoxx:

but if you are finding bugs, or crashing you should submit bugreports and backtraces so that the problems can be fixed

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, ive found one little thing and its solution . ill send it sometime

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psofa:

btw wheres the card on demand option? im in mythtv-setup and cant seem to find it :(

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psofa:

lol found it

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psofa:

:D

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Juski:

what a combination though.. VDR lol

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laga:

yeah. someone posted a patch on de.mythtvtalk.com to do that. such an ignorant dumbass.

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laga:

not because of the patch, of course. his behaviour was just arrogant

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psofa:

to do what?

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laga:

to launch vdr from mythtv.

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psofa:

:D

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Juski:

rather than post problems & help get broken bits fixed

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Merlin83b3:

Juski: It gets cheaper... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AQFD42

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laga:

i probably should delete his posting.

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** laga angry **

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I assume it's not in english ?

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Juski:

there comes a point where cheapest isn't best though

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Merlin83b3:

I'm sure there does, but SanDisk are a known brand :-)

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psofa:

is ctrl+c the same as killall blabla ?

[13:49:00]

ivor:

gaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[13:49:00]

ivor:

why do people ask questions... then completely ignore the answers you give them.

[13:49:00]

ivor:

damint.

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Juski:

didn't realise it was sandisk..

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laga:

GreyFoxx: no, it's not. :)

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Merlin83b3:

Better brand than the one posted yesterday, I'd say.

[13:50:00]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: uhhhm no. CTRL-C will kill the single foreground app, killall under linux will kill every running app that matches the name

[13:50:00]

ivor:

I have now given someone the answer "if you've got xorg 6.9 you've got everything you need".... five times in a row now.

[13:51:00]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, okay except that the both kill though

[13:51:00]

psofa:

*they

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** ivor mutters something rude about stupid users. **

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** laga hands ivor the metal cluebat **

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GreyFoxx:

psofa: In different ways, but the ultimate goal is usually to kill a process

[13:52:00]

GreyFoxx:

Though killall can send other signals, not just SIGTERM or SIGKILL, could be a HUP, suspend, etc etc

[13:53:00]

psofa:

kk

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psofa:

works for me

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psofa:

:D

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** ivor cries. **

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redline-:

Creative Labs sucks!

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Juski:

no shit

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redline-:

I am sooo pissed off at them right now and dont even have their product yet

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Juski:

better cancel that order then eh

[13:55:00]

redline-:

already went through too much trouble with

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** ivor bangs head on table. **

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redline-:

it

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** ivor wonders if /kicking someone for being stupid would affect his karma. **

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D-side:

I've had luck with all my CL products.

[13:58:00]

D-side:

even the 20gb jukebox.

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laga:

the jukebox was a huge brick

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D-side:

its the size and shape of a cd player

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laga:

yeah. a huge brick. ;)

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D-side:

pfft.

[13:59:00]

laga:

though a spiffy gadget back then

[13:59:00]

D-side:

you're damn right it was

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D-side:

and boy did it cost me. :)

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laga:

hehe :)

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redline-:

i paid $51 with shipping and tax for a audigy 2 zs from ebay from creative, they charged me right away but never followed throug on the charge

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redline-:

then on the 3rd they recharged my account causing me to bounce 2 things and icur $54 worth of bounce fees

[14:05:00]

Juski:

so sue em

[14:05:00]

Juski:

turning out expensive for a PoS soundcard eh

[14:06:00]

rjune:

creative is selling on ebay now?

[14:06:00]

redline-:

exactly

[14:06:00]

redline-:

yes they sell refurb on ebay

[14:06:00]

** rjune weould be interested to see the URL **

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laga:

i don't like ebay anymore as well. i never seem to receive any e-mails from them.

[14:07:00]

Merlin83b3:

Is there anything you do like, laga?

[14:07:00]

redline-:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . m=6834094080

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Merlin83b3:

So far, myth, Creative and their jukebox all suck...

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laga:

Merlin83b3: well, i certainly don't like stupid questions

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D-side:

oh boy.

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Juski:

all your base belong to us. and they suck

[14:09:00]

Juski:

hang on a sec.. 24-bit 96khz.. there's not even a recorded format (other than DVD-A) that needs such silly things

[14:10:00]

Merlin83b3:

*snicker*

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Juski:

anyone tested one of them audigy2 things? with nothing at the inputs to see what the signal to noise ratio is... wonder if it's as bad as previous audigy cards

[14:10:00]

Merlin83b3:

Gotta love DVD-A.

[14:10:00]

Juski:

who needs 96khz anyway.. when your stereo goes up to 11

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Juski:

like any human can hear up to 40khz.. pfft

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stuarta:

?? 96k is the sample rate

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Juski:

ever been to a concert? or a nightclub? take your hearing down to <15khz if you've been a regular visitor

[14:12:00]

redline-:

im in it for 7.1 and thx

[14:12:00]

Juski:

why a 96k sampling rate is my question...

[14:13:00]

Merlin83b3:

Maybe it's for the dogs.

[14:13:00]

stuarta:

better D->A conversion

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Juski:

spoiling it by listening to it at home then

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stuarta:

at a 1sec sample rate anything would sound like a clock ticking

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Juski:

sounds like.. your own breathing mask the improvements :-)

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Juski:

all this stuff is just invented to shift more boxes anyway

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stuarta:

1/10th science, 9/10ths horse crap

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Juski:

how many albums (that _aren't_ musical wallpaper like Pink Floyd) can you buy on DVD-A anyway?

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rjune:

redline-: so callt hem up

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redline-:

yea but what do i say, there is really nothing they will do

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Juski:

say "you c***s charged me too many times for the goods, and I got charged by the card company... reimburse me the fees you ****s"

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Juski:

;)

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redline-:

very diplomatic Juski

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Juski:

ring the card company & say they defrauded you

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D-side:

cant cancel the charges?

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rjune:

redline-: call them ask to speak to a manager, and explain the situation

[14:21:00]

Juski:

you've got to say _something_ to them about it.. don't just let them get away with messing up like that

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redline-:

talked to them already and they told me they should have been more attentive to their own charges and charged it correctly on the 27 and not the 3rd

[14:21:00]

Juski:

don't let up until you have satisfaction

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rjune:

and they aren't giong to reimburse you?

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Juski:

it's _their_ fault you got charged extra, so it's their responsibility

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redline-:

my bank did already but now I am in bad standing with them

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D-side:

and the penalties?

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D-side:

hah

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D-side:

thats a tough spot

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redline-:

$54 was credited back to me but my bank is unhappy, and really all I use this account for is internet transaction, its a good thing it was in good standing for over 5 years

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Juski:

write to both of them outlining the situation. you've been put in bad standing through no fault of your own and you'd like to have that lifted.. they should be obliged to correct it

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redline-:

that may be possible

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Juski:

barclaycard have a nasty habit of sending me bills too late.. when I receive them the payment is already overdue

[14:24:00]

Juski:

so they've been fully paid off & axed

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D-side:

how can a bank be unhappy about a $54 charge thats already been labeled as accidental and taken care of?

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D-side:

i'd talk to a manager about the crap treatement youve received, and/or switch banks

[14:25:00]

redline-:

$54 was the overdraft fee's the back refunded to me

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redline-:

back = bank

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Juski:

I don't think being a little overdrawn for a few days is going to make all that much difference.. credit check agencies are more lenient than that... how do you think people get into $$$$$$$$$$$$$ debt?

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redline-:

its the whole point though Juski it should never of happened and because of Creatives poor service it did

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Juski:

I think you'd be within your rights to cancel the order

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Juski:

even if it's been shipped already

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Juski:

I hear consumer moan about bad service who never do anything about it.. companies only do it coz people let em get away with it

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Merlin83b3:

The process is called a chargeback and your bank will be happy to give you the form to fill in so long as you used a credit (rather than debit) card.

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redline-:

hehe they charged me $8.40 for shipping thats going on almost 12 dyas now

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** Juski loves complaining in stores **

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Juski:

best case ever was when I bought a motherboard from a vendor at a computer fair

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Juski:

didn't boot – took it back twice..

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Juski:

got another one.. this time marked it with a UV pen... handed another replacement... got my little UV light out... SHIESTERS! same board... they weren't gonna give me a refund til I started hanging round talking to prospective customers

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Merlin83b3:

Heh, nice one.

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redline-:

ive done that before

[14:30:00]

Juski:

RAM electronics, btw

[14:30:00]

psofa:

Juski, lol

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psofa:

nice idea

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redline-:

I am a computer show junkie

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Dibblah:

I'm an ebay junkie. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PSP-FAULTY-BROKEN-SPARE . . . cmdZViewItem

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Juski:

turned out, when I bought the same model of board from somewhere else, it had _fake_ cache ram on it

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redline-:

I never have problems returning anything with them becasue they all know me

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Juski:

CPU cache on board.. those were the days

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fryfrog:

or plug in cache!

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fryfrog:

i had a board with plug in cache :)

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Juski:

and upgrading your VGA card.. plug some more ram into it ;)

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** stuarta remembers when coprocessors had to be plugged in separately **

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rjune:

Juski: nice.

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redline-:

486 dx 2

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redline-:

66

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t00m:

guys?

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stuarta:

386/387 & 286/287

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Juski:

t00m:?

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t00m:

can anyone explain mythmusic to me?

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t00m:

if you're listening to a song and then move the highlitebar further down

[14:33:00]

Juski:

yeah...

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redline-:

my first upgrade was an 8086 to a 386 dx 40

[14:33:00]

t00m:

how do you make it to play the highlited song?

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Juski:

press select

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fryfrog:

enter key or the sel...

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fryfrog:

yeah

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t00m:

select isn't on the key list in mythweb

[14:34:00]

t00m:

how do i configure the remote for that?

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fryfrog:

its the enter key

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fryfrog:

i believe

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redline-:

in your lircrc file

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t00m:

hm

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redline-:

in the .mythtv dir in your home dir

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t00m:

i configured 'return' to 'play'

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stuarta:

worked in a computer shop building xt, 286 & 386 machines :-)

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Juski:

couldn't even afford a PC til 486 was about 2 years old

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** ivor whips out a tiny violin, plays a tune and pretends to care. **

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Juski:

lol

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redline-:

that upgrade cost me $350, and that was the exact reason I got into the computer biz no way i was paying that again

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Juski:

hmm I think this theme is ready for beta release

[14:41:00]

D-side:

got screenshots?

[14:42:00]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg-wide

[14:42:00]

laga:

spiffy

[14:43:00]

Juski:

bah not quite.. got a couple of fonty issues in ui.xml

[14:43:00]

stuarta:

nice

[14:45:00]

Juski:

taken me bloody ages

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Juski:

gonna do another version though with a different colour scheme & buttons

[14:45:00]

t00m:

well, pressing enter on the keyboard does the same thing: play/pause

[14:46:00]

Juski:

a (pfft) blue one! might aswell, seen as the most popular are bluey tinged

[14:46:00]

D-side:

project mayhem inspired?

[14:46:00]

Juski:

catch everyone then – the naysayers who say grayhem is too dark

[14:46:00]

Juski:

D-side – spiffy XBMC skin

[14:48:00]

D-side:

indeed so

[14:48:00]

D-side:

the only one i'll use even.

[14:48:00]

D-side:

its amazing to me how fantastic it looks on HDTVs

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Juski:

looks damn fine on my LCD here

[14:49:00]

D-side:

indeed

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Juski:

less so on my CRT TV, but that's CRT TVs for yer

[14:49:00]

D-side:

i need an hdtv badly now. heh.

[14:50:00]

Juski:

good to have _choice_ in themes though

[14:50:00]

Juski:

a change from blue backgrounds ;)

[14:50:00]

t00m:

my fonts are still too small

[14:51:00]

t00m:

should changing the fontsize in the setup fix that?

[14:51:00]

Juski:

t00m: on what? the menu button text?

[14:51:00]

t00m:

anything

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D-side:

i havent been able to use the backend as a frontend since i just wrecked that box

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Juski:

I don't think any themes can change the size of menubutton text

[14:51:00]

t00m:

the lists – videos, music..

[14:51:00]

t00m:

error messages as well

[14:51:00]

Juski:

t00m: text size can be changed in setup

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Juski:

if the theme supports it – and most do

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t00m:

i'm using that stupid dark one :)

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Juski:

I support different font sizes

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neosmatrix:

JUSKI: really nice theme

[15:05:00]

Juski:

allegedly

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Juski:

(but thanks) :)

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closer:

can mythtv use unix socket for mysql connections instead of networking?

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Nichotin:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . e_medium.jpg – anyone got that working with lirc?

[15:13:00]

Merlin83b3:

Yep

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Merlin83b3:

See the remote control part of http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=37860

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GreyFoxx:

closer: The MySQL libraries will try that automatically if the IP you are connecting to is 127.0.0.1

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GreyFoxx:

and of course that you don't have any weirdness in your my.cnf blocking it

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Nichotin:

Merlin83b3: I have read that, but I havent found any specific lircrc for my remote

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Merlin83b3:

Follow a link out of it – it's there somewhere!

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Nichotin:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6089

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Nichotin:

that you thinking of?

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Merlin83b3:

Yes.

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Nichotin:

ah. I must have missed the model number on the remote, somewhere

[15:18:00]

Nichotin:

or, is there even a model number printed on it? perhaps behind the battery lid

[15:18:00]

Nichotin:

thank you :)

[15:19:00]

Merlin83b3:

It's in the battery bit, yeah.

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closer:

does mythtv not work with mysql4?

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Nichotin:

closer: it works here

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Nichotin:

humf, no /dev/input/event* here :/

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Nichotin:

I have all the i2c-stuff loaded

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closer:

setup is failing to connect for me for some reason

[15:28:00]

GreyFoxx:

closer: It must be giving you an error

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laga:

yay. i updated the bootrom stuff on my intel NIC and pxe finally works

[15:29:00]

Merlin83b3:

Ooh, laga approves of something!

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closer:

greyfoxx: just realized what it was...

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laga:

Merlin83b3: dammit, what's up with you? i've never seen you before.

[15:30:00]

closer:

greyfoxx: after guessing that qmysql is the qt3-mysql module... wasn't installed

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closer:

doh

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lithi:

Are there any cards that would take component or DVI as input (from say a set-top box). I have a HDTV set-top box and I want to have my own mythtv pvr.

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GreyFoxx:

that would definately be a problem :)

[15:31:00]

GreyFoxx:

lithi: I think I found 1 DVI input card once, but that was months ago, haven't looked since

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Merlin83b3:

What's up with you laga? I've never seen you before either.

[15:31:00]

psofa:

anyone here familiar with vdr?

[15:31:00]

neosmatrix:

closer: ihave the same problem :/

[15:31:00]

fryfrog:

lithi: that'd be an awsome card, but i believe they are SUPER expensive

[15:31:00]

lithi:

so is anyone doing HDTV (from a provider) with mythtv?

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neosmatrix:

closer: didn' solved it so far

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GreyFoxx:

lithi: Most do it either through Firewire out of their stb's or OTA

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lithi:

the HDTV box has coaxial out, but unless I am wrong that isin't a hd signal..

[15:32:00]

GreyFoxx:

It likely isn't

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lithi:

GreyFoxx: OTA?

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GreyFoxx:

Over the Air

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** laga slaps Merlin83b3 **

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lithi:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

freely broadcasted HDTV

[15:33:00]

lithi:

yea

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lithi:

So some HDTV stb's have firewire out?

[15:33:00]

GreyFoxx:

If you are USE based and in a major city there are often several free HDTV channels over the airwaves

[15:33:00]

GreyFoxx:

err US

[15:33:00]

GreyFoxx:

Yes, some do.

[15:34:00]

GreyFoxx:

Motorola 62xx is the one I see most talked about but others do as well

[15:34:00]

lithi:

and how would I hook that up to myth?

[15:34:00]

t00m:

we've got hdtv over dvb-t

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GreyFoxx:

lithi: Plug it into your firewire port and configure the port as a recording source

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lithi:

ah

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neosmatrix:

here in germany we have only a mpeg2 stream over dvb-t ://

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming of course that myth has been compiled to support firewire

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Kabutor:

neosmatrix, that is not HDTV?

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neosmatrix:

sometimes it gets dvd quality

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GreyFoxx:

neo....... mpeg2 is just a codec, HDTV is a set of resolutions...

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neosmatrix:

kabutor: no

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GreyFoxx:

HDTV is usually broadcast in mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

But they are moving to Mpeg4

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stuarta:

kabutor: dvb-t can support hdtv, it's just not done in GB, DE

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lithi:

I wonder if my cable company would allow me to provide my own stb..

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Kabutor:

we have dvb-t in spain

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t00m:

well, dvd isn't hdtv. it's less than half of the resolution.

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Kabutor:

im considering adding one to the mythtv box

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Merlin83b3:

lilo: No reason to use the one they provide if you don't have to! Let them deliver it and set it up, unplug it once the guy leaves :-)

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Juski:

kushdee.. time to pack it all up & make a webshite page for it

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GreyFoxx:

lithi: Most don't like to do that, but they might if your box is compatible with their broadcast system

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Merlin83b3:

Um, lithi even.

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t00m:

greyfoxx: one of the stations here even changed the framerate to 50 fps. how wicked is that? :)

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GreyFoxx:

nifty

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Kabutor:

BTW, where can I have a look to the xml format I need to supply to mythdatabasefill ?

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lithi:

mmm, might just have to try this

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Nichotin:

humf, I do "cat /dev/lirc/0", and only get output on a couple of the buttons

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GreyFoxx:

Kabutor: labs.zap2it.com

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GreyFoxx:

or go read the xmltv docs

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Kabutor:

I wnat to modify the tv_grab_es_digital from xmltv because its not working..

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Kabutor:

zap2it its not working in spain I think..

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GreyFoxx:

Kabutor: They still have docs on the format :)

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GreyFoxx:

But xmltv should have something, if not there is always the source

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stuarta:

kabutor: the output should still work, it's normally the source that changes something

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Juski:

mount

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Kabutor:

Ill have a look

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t00m:

Juski: usually i

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t00m:

ups

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stuarta:

kabutor: look for errors fetching data first.

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Kabutor:

stuarta, I cant look the output if its not working :)

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Kabutor:

the errors are that the website they fecth the data has changed

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t00m:

Juski: usually i'd answer, but i don't want to flood the channel

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stuarta:

well then you'd need to change that. :-)

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Juski:

come on slow mounty mount

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lithi:

are there any cards that do s-video IN?

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lithi:

is s-video even real HD?

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t00m:

no?

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stuarta:

lithi: you are confusing physical connection with logical formats

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lithi:

but I mean when the stb outputs via s-video is that signal truly hd?

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Merlin83b3:

It could be.

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stuarta:

maybe/ maybe not. Most likely downconverted to non HDTV

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Merlin83b3:

stuarta is right, you need to understand what you're talking about a bit more.

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Juski:

lithi: you can't have high definition over s video

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lithi:

thats what I was asking, thanks

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lithi:

Merlin83b: got a good article?

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Juski:

the box will downcovert it to NTSC

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Juski:

(eeew)

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Merlin83b3:

Sorry lithi, no. HDTV is about number of lines and such, S-video is a type of connection.

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Juski:

from 720p to 480i.. yuk-kee

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closer:

neosmatrix: verify that you have the qt mysql module installed. for example, I had to install qt3-mysql rpm

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lithi:

Merlin83b: I understand that. I was asking if the signal quality would be downgraded because your using a s-video connection.

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Merlin83b3:

Depends on the cable :-)

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closer:

what do you hit in the weather pluging to change the location?

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Juski:

it'd be about the same as a decent SDTV signal

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Juski:

oh FUCK I forgot about the damn clock in the theme

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Juski:

grrr

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Juski:

sod it.. beta's a beta

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GreyFoxx:

Man, the EIT stuff is like peeling and onion. Get through one thing only to find another that needs to be fixed too

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stuarta:

greyfoxx: that's why daniel & I are going to rewrite it post 0.19

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lithi:

so the easiest way to capture a HD signal from a stb would be if the stb had firewire out correct?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, I've got some changes I'm going to try and get in once I finish this

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stuarta:

what area?

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GreyFoxx:

Several, patch to EITHelper. It's not using it own cache for retrieved chanid's so it's hitting the DB over and over with the same queries,

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GreyFoxx:

added Dishnet EIT support,

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stuarta:

all helpful.

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GreyFoxx:

added precaching of channels we want eit data for and I ignore events for others

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GreyFoxx:

and now I have it ignoring events we've already processed

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GreyFoxx:

causes otherwise they all go all the way through

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stuarta:

that last bit was already in the plan :-)

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GreyFoxx:

the dishnet EIT data is compressed, but there are already routines in there to decompress it, I just had to glue it together

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GreyFoxx:

I want to add a config option to enable/disable the use of the dishnet 9day EIT data.

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GreyFoxx:

basically if it's allow I'd call addpid for it, otherwise stick to the regular stuff

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stuarta:

EIT needs it's own configuration page

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GreyFoxx:

I agree

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GreyFoxx:

IT's too spread out

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stuarta:

(should we take this to #mythtv?)

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GreyFoxx:

and honestly there should be another option. use onairguide for channels that you want to get eit data for, but a seperate list (which can default to the useonairguide if nothing is entered) of channels to specifically use for gathering the data

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GreyFoxx:

Sure

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t00m:

what's the command to send linux to sleep?

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t00m:

zzz on freebsd

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Merlin83b3:

apmsleep, t00m?

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t00m:

k, i'll try

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t00m:

doesn't exist

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t00m:

guess i need to install apmd or sth?

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Juski:

okees folks.. a beta of the new widescreen theme is now available at http://www.juski.co.uk/pg-wide/ProjectGrayhem-wide.tar.gz

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Merlin83b3:

I guess so :-)

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t00m:

and then probably compile sth into the kernel?

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Merlin83b3:

Not sure t00m, sorry.

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t00m:

i'll just try

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t00m:

launch mp3blaster and then send it to sleep for 8 hours

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t00m:

see what happens ;)

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t00m:

well, that was easy: apmsleep: Your kernel does not support APM.

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** neosmatrix thx juski for this great theme **

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t00m:

gn8

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Juski:

heheh.. cheers guys

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Juski:

report any problems/issues to /dev/null

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Juski:

sorry usual place ;)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

*excellent* work Juski.. damn nice theme

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Kelerion:

are you wanting problems reporting?

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Kelerion:

or want to wait for a bit?

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Juski:

report away

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laga:

and make up some stuff, that keeps him entertained

[16:37:00]

Juski:

lagaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Juski:

;)

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laga:

hehehe

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laga:

;)

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Kelerion:

not a problem really.. just layout it off.. on the "program details" page .. the box is too high.. overlay "Program Details"

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Juski:

hmm

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Kelerion:

or is it me? lol

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Juski:

oh right yeah I can see that

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Kelerion:

and maybe a suggestion.. on the upcoming recordings screen... is it possible to use a different color for "conflicts" than "will record"?

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Juski:

line 2410 in ui.xml... make it <area>30,80,745,500</area>

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Juski:

it's possible to make it a different _colour_ yes

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Juski:

I don't have any conflicts to check it with, see ;)

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Kelerion:

smartypants.. lol

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Kelerion:

where would it be changed? I could try out a color and screenshot it for you?

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Juski:

line 956: <color>#ffffff</color>

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Kelerion:

thanks

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Juski:

that is, if white is okay

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Juski:

hang on

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Kelerion:

well the "L" later recordings are in white too

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Kelerion:

maybe a red?

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Juski:

progdetails still int right

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Juski:

red is already the conflict colour

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Kelerion:

displaying as yellow here.. same as "will record"

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coolgurl4:

i have a little hardware question, my mythbox randomly locks up when i go to boot it, i can't even get it to install again because it locks up durring the install, what could be causing that?

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laga:

bad PSU/RAM probably

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Kelerion:

yes.. prog details *box* has shifted.. but not the text

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Juski:

line 2411: <textarea>55,80,655,462</textarea>

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coolgurl4:

ok, it's not ram, i ran memtest on it all night and it came up with nothing

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Merlin83b3:

Processor fan stopped

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coolgurl4:

i wonder if via will replace my epia mobo then?

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Merlin83b3:

perhaps.

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Merlin83b3:

Oh, epia. Might be the DMA fun.

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coolgurl4:

whats that?

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Merlin83b3:

Are you using SATA?

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coolgurl4:

neg

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Merlin83b3:

Hmm, ignore that.

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Merlin83b3:

Or answer :-)

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coolgurl4:

its an epia mII

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Merlin83b3:

Yeah, getting a link for you...

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ivor:

coolgurl4: 1 how often does it lockup.

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ivor:

2. what distro

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ivor:

3. are you using longhaul

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Kelerion:

thats better Juski

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Merlin83b3:

http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?c . . . nterthread=y

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coolgurl4:

ivor it does it every time i boot, i'm trying knoppmyth and longhaul??

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Juski:

Kelerion: do you mind having a play with the colours? lines 913–992 – I've not got much program guide stuff here

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Kelerion:

yup.. will do :)

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winga:

ivor it was running well for quite some time

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winga:

it had intermittent hardware lockups once a week or so

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winga:

but now i can't even boot

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Juski:

Kelerion: I'll deal with widening the program details details

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Kelerion:

okies

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Kelerion:

you don't mind me making these suggestions do you?

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Kelerion:

I do appreciate all your doing on this

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Juski:

course I don't mind

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Juski:

you didn't open up with "bah, this sucks" ;)

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Juski:

lines 1024 & 1025: <column number="2" width="210" context="-1"></column> ; <column number="3" width="690" context="-1"></column>

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Kelerion:

am I changing these in the right place? they only seem to change if I change them from line# 668 onwards

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Juski:

hang on I'l in the schdiff window

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Juski:

hehe

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Kelerion:

so I'm in the right place?

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Juski:

erm..

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Juski:

think so

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Juski:

lost track now

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Kelerion:

well.. it's working.. lol

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Kelerion:

have never used a schdiff window I think.. where is it?

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Juski:

'preview schedule changes'

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Juski:

Kelerion.. just email me the file when you're done, but with lines 1024 & 1025 changed

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Kelerion:

okies

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unkle:

Hello people :) ...When i use MythWeb to browse my videos, the URLs to the videos are missing the first 5 characters (now is this weird or what !?!) ...has any of you seen anything like that ? ...the URLS to the videos in "recorded programs" are OK and also links to my mp3s in the music-page are OK... I really cant figure this one out ! ...Im using KnoppMyth R5A26

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unkle:

The problem appears both in IE and Firefox, so i doubt it being a browser-problem

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unkle:

if i press the link i (naturally) get a 404, if i then manually enter the 5 missing characters it works.... I can live with it, but it is kind of weird though...

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unkle:

maybe the something gets truncated in the PHP-script handling the result from the database-query (?)

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unkle:

i guess nobody has any ideas about this issue ?

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Juski:

unkle: or nobody cares, cos you said 'knoppmyth' ;)

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laga:

knoppmyth doesn't get much love in here, i think

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unkle:

Juski, Oh ! my apologies for that then ! ...i didnt know that it was a "no no"

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Juski:

how long is the URL?

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laga:

Juski: do you see an increasing rate of people using suse 10.0 on the forums?

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unkle:

laga, how come ?

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Juski:

laga: not really

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laga:

unkle: dunno, don't ask me ;)

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unkle:

sorry if i insulted the channel users ! ...please bare with me :)

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laga:

Juski: k. i've just seen many people who can't get their cute little novell crap to work ;)

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laga:

unkle: you didn't insult us, i was kidding ;)

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unkle:

laga, :)

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Juski:

suse.. it's like linux, but you have to pay for it...

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unkle:

Juski, how long ? ...i'll paste an example on pastebin if youd like it ?

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Juski:

that long?!

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laga:

Juski: not quite. it's like windows but you don't have to pay for it

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Juski:

maybe it's a limitation of php

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Juski:

I think there's a config thing for the max length of that

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unkle:

Juski, LOL ...no no, its just that im worried about getting flamed for pasting links in here ;) ...anyway, ill risk it ;) "http://192.168.0.117/mythweb/video_url/el%20M . . . 11.avi"

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Juski:

oh that's what you mean...

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Juski:

oh dear

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unkle:

Juski, hmmm... it just seems weird to me that if its a limit in URL-length that it truncates the first part of the URL and not the last...

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Juski:

true

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unkle:

Juski, as you probably noticed it should read "Michael%20Moore..."

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Juski:

he's too fat to fit in the URL :)

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ivor:

lol

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Juski:

install mod-php-lard-ass

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unkle:

Juski, LOL ! yeah ! it also happens with my "bowling for columbine" so you might be on to something there ;)

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laga:

or too much of an idiot. "germany still hasn't paid for its sins, and i intend to collect" that's in one of his books. darn idiot.

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Juski:

it makes for entertainment though. i really enjoyed "stupid white men"

[17:13:00]

unkle:

Juski, perhaps i should try a Tarantino film... he seems pretty slim ;)

[17:13:00]

Juski:

I'll check my vid URLs

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unkle:

Juski, thanks :)

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Juski:

all okay

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unkle:

id really like to know why "the unmentionable distribution" is unmentionable... i think its fantastic... i fought with mythtv on a gentoo for 14 days without succes, then i switched to the dark side (the knop-thing) and it took my 2 hours to get it working...

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Juski:

all broken, but all the right length

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Juski:

unkle: I have an axe to grind with it because every time I've tried the live side of it, it crashes the backend

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Merlin83b3:

unkle: I use it, it works (mostly)

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unkle:

Juski, weird... maybe i could try making php-script that mimics the database querys and check the results to see if the name of the movie is stored correctly in the database or if its a limitation in PHP (which i doubt very much)

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Juski:

and them releasing a snapshot of svn as a proper release was pretty silly

[17:17:00]

Merlin83b3:

Or just fire up mysql and look in there!

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Juski:

or try renaming the offending files to have proper linux filenames ;)

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Merlin83b3:

Heh

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Juski:

spaces in filenames...

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Juski:

yuk

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unkle:

Merlin83b3, good idea, though i dont know which table to search for... im not that familiar with surfing databases :)

[17:18:00]

Merlin83b3:

SHOW TABLES;

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Merlin83b3:

:-)

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unkle:

Juski, yep i hate it too... but from my point of view it does not provide a valid reason for cutting 5 chars

[17:19:00]

unkle:

Merlin83b3, Okay... (damn i feel stupid ! LOL)

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unkle:

Merlin83b3 Thanks ;)

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Merlin83b3:

Heh, no problem.

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Kelerion:

just looked at this through vnc so far.. gonna go play with it on the tv now.. will let ya know if I find anything else Juski :)

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unkle:

Merlin83b3, got the tables listed now, – and then its something like "select * from table bla-bla" right ?

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Juski:

cheers Kelerion

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Merlin83b3:

That's the one unkle, yeah

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Juski:

I'll hang on til the weekend til the big ****announce****

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Juski:

*for the

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unkle:

Merlin83b3, ok, thanks mate :)

[17:24:00]

unkle:

Juski, Merlin83b3 > the paths and filenames are okay in the videometadata-table

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Merlin83b3:

Looks like a problem with MythWeb, then.

[17:25:00]

unkle:

so i guess its a php-problem (not necessarily PHP itself but perhaps the script has a little "issue")

[17:25:00]

unkle:

Merlin83b3, yep

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unkle:

Merlin83b3, ill take a look at the "video.php" script

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Juski:

all on line 128

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Juski:

sorry 121

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unkle:

Juski, yes it must be happening at the bottom where the comment says "// Figure out the URL"

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unkle:

Juski, and this one looks a bit suspicious to me "strlen($videodir))"

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Juski:

ah

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unkle:

Juski, i dont know for sure if thats where it goes bye-bye... im definitely not a PHP-expert

[17:32:00]

Juski:

nor am I

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unkle:

i wish there was some way of debugging this... (there probably is a way to do it...)

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Juski:

you could ask xris when he comes in

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unkle:

Juski, he's a PHP-expert ? :)

[17:33:00]

Juski:

you could say that

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ivor:

he's the perpetrator

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unkle:

oh !

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stew_b:

I found a symlink real_path_to_videos -> music_dir works

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Juski:

try renaming a troublesome file though.. replace the spaces with underscores – see if that helps any

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stew_b:

err, -> video_url, rather

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Juski:

then rescan the video DB

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unkle:

Juski, yes i will have to try some more before troubleing xris, as i see it im the only one having this problem so the chances are pretty big that im the one who needs a mental check ;)

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Juski:

well I gotta shake a leg... food shopping – which means.. I can go back to work tomorrow (yay!)

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Juski:

bye bye ucking cold!

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unkle:

Juski, hehe, nice ! :) ...thanks for your attention :)

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unkle:

for what its worth... i renamed one of the videos to "test.avi" and updated the database via the video-manager in the frontend. The path inside videometadata is OK but now the url is chopped down from "test.avi" to "avi"... so... still the same problem

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poonj:

hey guys

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poonj:

when i rip a DVD, individual chapter files are saved on the machine

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poonj:

so when I play it, it stops after each chapter...is it possible to chain them together and have it play as one continuous file?

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unkle:

oh well... time for some food ! ...thanks for your time guys :)

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Juski:

I think you can just cat mpeg files together

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Juski:

np unkle

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unkle:

:)

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titanium_platypu:

arg!

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titanium_platypu:

I just recorder a Jessica Alba thing

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titanium_platypu:

I had the capture on the line-in on

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titanium_platypu:

it picked up no sound!

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titanium_platypu:

what the crap?

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xris:

titanium_platypu: did you have the sound plugged in?

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titanium_platypu:

yes

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titanium_platypu:

recorded*

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titanium_platypu:

not recorder

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titanium_platypu:

:-P

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Coume:

hiya

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fryfrog:

I suspect you are probably better off w/o any Jessica Alba...

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titanium_platypu:

eh?

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fryfrog:

OMG

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fryfrog:

nm

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fryfrog:

she's hot

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fryfrog:

i hope she isn't a singer?

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titanium_platypu:

I was like....are you castrated?

[18:14:00]

titanium_platypu:

:-P

[18:14:00]

titanium_platypu:

no

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titanium_platypu:

she's an actress

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titanium_platypu:

Sin City

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titanium_platypu:

Fantastic 4

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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fryfrog:

okay, i take back my previous statement :)

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titanium_platypu:

lol

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titanium_platypu:

k

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fryfrog:

she just sounded like a britney speas or clone of previously mentioned person

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titanium_platypu:

oh

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titanium_platypu:

no

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xris:

fryfrog: "dark angel"

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fryfrog:

ohhh, my gf liked that show

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xris:

titanium_platypu: what kind of card, what kind of hookup for audio?

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fryfrog:

and has it worked previously?

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titanium_platypu:

it always works, until just now

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titanium_platypu:

and it's an ATI TV Wonder VE

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xris:

titanium_platypu: reboot?

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titanium_platypu:

with a short sound cable going straight from the tv card to the sound card's line in

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titanium_platypu:

huh?

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titanium_platypu:

reboot?

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titanium_platypu:

why?

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kormoc:

you sure your capture is unmuted and playback is muted for the line-in?

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titanium_platypu:

yes

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titanium_platypu:

now I'm not getting sound at all

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titanium_platypu:

not from playback or anything

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titanium_platypu:

(as far as Myth goes)

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_willcooke_:

+

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titanium_platypu:

my old recordings have sound

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titanium_platypu:

but my Jessica one doesn't

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titanium_platypu:

:'(

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titanium_platypu:

and I don't get sound from "Watch TV"

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_willcooke_:

Sorry, but you're certain that it's not muted, or selected another audio input as the default, or that the cable hasn't fallen out?

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_willcooke_:

hi Kelerion

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titanium_platypu:

ugh what a bunch of stupid crap

[18:44:00]

titanium_platypu:

okay I went down to make sure it was plugged in securely

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titanium_platypu:

it was

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titanium_platypu:

but in jiggling it to make sure, I accidentally loosened my monitor-to-video-card cable

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titanium_platypu:

and thought the computer had crashed

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titanium_platypu:

and gave it a cold restart before figuring out what I had done X(

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titanium_platypu:

then for some reason when I got back into my OS I had video driver problems

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titanium_platypu:

anyhow

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titanium_platypu:

I'm back now

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titanium_platypu:

the sound cable is secure

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titanium_platypu:

brb

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titanium_platypu:

back

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titanium_platypu:

sound cable is secure, and capture is enabled for line-in

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_willcooke_:

Ok, so sound everywhere else but myth?

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titanium_platypu:

yes

[18:46:00]

titanium_platypu:

I get sound in my old recordings, too

[18:46:00]

titanium_platypu:

just not my new one and not when I "watch TV"

[18:46:00]

titanium_platypu:

so it worked fine before.

[18:47:00]

titanium_platypu:

now it works....

[18:47:00]

titanium_platypu:

after that reboot....

[18:47:00]

titanium_platypu:

I didn't change anything; I just rebooted

[18:47:00]

titanium_platypu:

what the crap?

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titanium_platypu:

if it was windows, I could understand

[18:47:00]

titanium_platypu:

but it's Linux....

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_willcooke_:

?

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_willcooke_:

something holding on to the soundcard

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titanium_platypu:

well, that's 73h 5ux0r

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titanium_platypu:

and I still don't have sound on my new recording, since it wasn't picking up sound then :'(

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_willcooke_:

that's why god invented repeats

[18:50:00]

Krazylegz:

There is no MythTV Frappr.

[18:50:00]

laga:

Krazylegz: there's on for mythtv-users

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laga:

and for knoppmyth

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Krazylegz:

I saw knoppmyth, but not mythtv-users.

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titanium_platypu:

anyways thanks for helping me out

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Juski:

only one thing wrong with going food shopping after being ill.. you buy loads of feel-good junk :)

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laga:

Juski: ever been shopping when you're hungry? ;)

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Juski:

yeh that too

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laga:

Juski: BTW, i've just managed to upload a picture of mine onto mythtvtalk ;)

[19:19:00]

Juski:

wahey!

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Juski:

bah my monitor broke :(

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D-side:

wha!

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laga:

suckers.

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Juski:

heheh

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laga:

;)

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Coume:

I got a beep.... due to mythtvtalk...

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Coume:

and woohoo let me go to the gallery :)

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** Juski hides laga's photo from mrs juski.. just in case **

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** laga yells MYTHTVTALK at coume **

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Juski:

pizza time

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laga:

Juski: why? i know i'm hot, you know i'm hot. the wife can know, too.

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Juski:

she has a thing about geeks tho... (obviously)

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laga:

hehe

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Coume:

yep let's hope other people will post know :)

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laga:

yep, that would be nice

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Coume:

yep, and let's hope we will get more system pics too :)

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laga:

usually, the people are more interesting, dunno why ;)

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Coume:

eheh

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Coume:

still have to say that Justin was the first to dare! lol

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laga:

yep ;)

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laga:

and you're the only one to be sober ;)

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Coume:

lol I got a career in front of me, I'm careful of my pics available on Internet :)

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laga:

bah, careers *raises the glass*

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Coume:

eheh, I could have posted a pics in suit but did not ;P

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Coume:

speaking about career, got to decide tonight if I move to Spain or not :(

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laga:

spain sounds cool

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Coume:

yep but salary goes down... with more responsabilities... so... lol

[19:29:00]

Coume:

tricky question...

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laga:

women may be prettier

[19:29:00]

laga:

and maybe you like their language better

[19:29:00]

laga:

and the weather is better, depends on where you're going to live

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Coume:

are you saying that I have a bad English accent?

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laga:

i've never heard you talking

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laga:

i can only say that i love the spanish language

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Coume:

but I do have a crappy accent... and got this same crappy accent when speaking Spanish...

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Coume:

god I'm so happ yto be French!

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laga:

haha ;)

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** laga has a strong german accent with lots of american influence and some british **

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laga:

talking about hsitty... ;)

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laga:

shitty*

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** Coume got a STRONG french accent, with FRENCH root and French leaf and everything French basically... **

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laga:

we definitely should phone sometime ;)

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Coume:

lol

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rjune:

and a strong french law to screw with OSS

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Coume:

yep rjune :(

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jd86:

i recently pulled the tuner which had all of my digital channels (upper chans) and now only have available a certian (less than 100 channels) and some things (one show inperticulaly) didn't record... is there some reason the two have anything together (when the show is on a low chan)

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Coume:

bye all

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Juski:

anyone happen to know where this new clock UI item appears?

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Juski:

ahh it's just a patch – it hasn't been committed

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Juski:

pfft

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laga:

hehehe

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** Juski puts the clock on the back burner **

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Juski:

I think that makes this theme about ready then

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Juski:

wb _willcooke_

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_willcooke_:

Hmm, dunno what happened there!

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Juski:

time to put t' kettle on.. then get bashing some webshite

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_willcooke_:

plan!

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** _willcooke_ listens to the Zutons albu **

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_willcooke_:

m

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Juski:

I have a sneaky feeling this site of mine is gonna become a monster & tricky to maintain

[20:37:00]

Juski:

any idea when the Arctic Monkeys' album comes out?

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_willcooke_:

Dunno actually, I would have thought that they'd let you download it before its released, paid for though I guess

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** _willcooke_ hates maintaining websites **

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Juski:

30th jan

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_willcooke_:

As sson as it turns in to work I can't be arsed any more

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** _willcooke_ amules **

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laga:

Juski: get a CMS

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Juski:

I can't

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laga:

why not?

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Juski:

have to put up with NTL's shitty webspace

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laga:

Juski: gee. mythtvtalk is hosting lot of stuff, why not your theme?

[20:40:00]

Juski:

heh

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_willcooke_:

Juski, I've got a virtual sever you can use, christ knows there's nothing else on there

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, added some rate limiting and now the EIT stuff is livable

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_willcooke_:

GWF!

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GreyFoxx:

Juski how much bw does your site use up ?

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_willcooke_:

HAHAHAHA! http://www.frappr.com/doggingsites

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Rule:

Hello all. I'm wondering if something is even possible in mythtv. I have set up a second backend with a DVB-C card to complement my existing analog cable backend. For the channels that are available on both, can mythtv do automatic sheduling and decide which tuner to use ? The reason I am unsure is that a channel using analog has an entry in the database with frequency etc, but the DVB-c scanned channels create a second entry in the db... a

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Rule:

ny hints/insights are appreciated

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Rule:

I guess what I want to know is how do 2 tuners of a different type relate to eachother for overlapping channels

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Dibblah:

Yes. As long as the channel numbers and names match.

[21:09:00]

Dibblah:

Look at it in Mythweb and you'll see the result.

[21:09:00]

Rule:

do they both have to match ?

[21:09:00]

Rule:

I have

[21:09:00]

Dibblah:

I'm pretty sure they do.

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kormoc:

you can set up different channels for different tuners

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Rule:

there are 2 different entries... the DVB-c channels get a channum that matched the PID

[21:10:00]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: dunno... get around 30 hits a day.. more if people are looking for the crazy frog videos :-/

[21:10:00]

kormoc:

it's all done in myhttv-setup

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Dibblah:

I think the question is if Myth will consider a channel duplicated if it's split across sources.

[21:10:00]

Rule:

yes

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Rule:

or

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Rule:

if I can mix sources

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Rule:

probably not

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Dibblah:

You can alter the DVB card channel numbers without affecting anything.

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Rule:

an additional question I have is what the DVB entries actaully accomplish... they dont contain frequency of transport info or anything like that

[21:11:00]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: Ok, was just gonna offer to host it if you need a place

[21:12:00]

GreyFoxx:

Saw you mention not liking the current spot :)

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Dibblah:

They contain a transport ID.

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Juski:

current spot is okay – just doesn't allow any more than plain html

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GreyFoxx:

Cool :)

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kormoc:

Cardoe, so what's the secret to getting xvmc under modular X?

[21:13:00]

Rule:

ah in the serviceID field, I see it now

[21:13:00]

Rule:

could I just update the existing records with a serviceid and get a clean overlap that way ?

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GreyFoxx:

What are you trying to accomplish ?

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Dibblah:

The scheduler to realise that the channels are identical, I think.

[21:14:00]

GreyFoxx:

2 channels with identical names(or was it callsigns) are considered the same channel even accross different sources with different channel numbers

[21:15:00]

Rule:

ah thats perfect thanks

[21:15:00]

Rule:

what I wanted to know

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... Didn't seem to work until I merged the channel numbers...?

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GreyFoxx:

The channel numbers are irrelevant

[21:15:00]

Dibblah:

Cool.

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Rule:

I also thought it was channum to be honest... but was wondering about chanid

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Beirdo:

o_cee, you in?

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o_cee:

you beeped?

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Beirdo:

got a Sweden question for ya :)

[21:16:00]

o_cee:

oh?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: good question... I dunno.

[21:17:00]

Beirdo:

on Swedish stamps, what does "Brev" mean?

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o_cee:

no, we don't have blonds running around nude everywhere..

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GreyFoxx:

ASN on my analog tuner, or ASN on my card connected to my bell receiver were considered the "Same" channel despite very different channums/chanids

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o_cee:

:)

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Beirdo:

the Sverige is obvious

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o_cee:

Beirdo, Brev means Letter

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Rule:

oh, btw, I see 3 different values for sourceid in my channels table even though I only have 2 tuners and 2 sources

[21:17:00]

Dibblah:

Hmmm... chanid is referenced on each recording schedule...

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Beirdo:

so letter rate ;)

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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o_cee:

allright :)

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Beirdo:

soaking a load of stamps right now

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o_cee:

oookay

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Beirdo:

most of which are Swedish in this portion of the big container :)

[21:18:00]

o_cee:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

and I figured you'd know the answer and all :)

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Dibblah:

So it won't schedule on the other tuner, even though it 'looks' the same, unless I missed a join...

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o_cee:

let me know if you find any shilling blanco or whatever they're called

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I have quite literally thousands of stamps

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Beirdo:

likely nearing hundreds of thousands

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o_cee:

cool, i've got a bag in the basement you can have :)

[21:19:00]

Beirdo:

it's one of those life-long hobbies :)

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Beirdo:

you serious? :)

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o_cee:

"TerraTec Cinergy 2400i", wonder if there will be linux drivers for that card

[21:19:00]

Beirdo:

I can always use donations :)

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Dibblah:

Is that what you've been up to philately, Beirdo?

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Rule:

GreyFoxx : thanks for the pointers, I will try if its name or callsign

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Beirdo:

nah, I'm home with a nasty headache that's mostly worn off

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Beirdo:

and I felt like being a philatelist for the day, it relaxes me

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Juski:

Beirdo: try some theming.. it's very theraputic.. narf

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Juski:

;)

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

I'm not a graphically inclined person

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Beirdo:

language notwithstanding

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Juski:

didn't stop the creator of ... shh

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

so the next load of stamps should be just about parting from the paper :)

[21:22:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

there were some UK stamps at the top of the bin

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Dibblah:

Nah. We're boring over here.

[21:23:00]

Beirdo:

God save the Queen

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Juski:

nah – you should be more worried about the future King... lol

[21:23:00]

Beirdo:

and God help us if Camilla becomes Queen

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Dibblah:

From what, I've always wondered.

[21:23:00]

Beirdo:

Dibblah, isn't it obvious?

[21:23:00]

Beirdo:

from pissed off Irish

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Juski:

nah – royals need protecting from themselves

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Beirdo:

true enough

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Beirdo:

and from ugly women... oops, too late

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Dibblah:

It's OK – We've now pissed off the Iraqis too. And they're known for being *so* much more laid back than the Irish.

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

but they are a WEE bit further away on average

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Rule:

anyone with DVB experience that can tell me what is needed for HDTV (not ATSC) ? can any DVB card do it (I suppose a 'full' card would need support for the high res to encode it properly)

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Juski:

depends where you live ;)

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Dibblah:

Actually, FF cards are worse.

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Beirdo:

heh, maybe not in London

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Rule:

FF ?

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Dibblah:

The av7110 is just not designed for DVB streams.

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Dibblah:

Fully Featured.

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Dibblah:

HD streams, I mean.

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'll go back to me stamps for a bit, I'll be back later :)

[21:26:00]

Rule:

well yeah thats what I mean

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Dibblah:

It may in fact have been designed (badly) for DVB streams ;)

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Juski:

laters then Beirdo

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Dibblah:

Have fun!

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Rule:

I got confused when reading the webpage on the twinhan VisionDTV Mini Cab DVB-C

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Rule:

http://www.twinhan.com/product_cable_2.asp

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Rule:

are those references to HDTV misplaced ?

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Dibblah:

Pretty much any card'll support HDTV.

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Rule:

ic

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Dibblah:

As long as it's not fully-featured, which puts the decoding hardware on the card.

[21:30:00]

Rule:

yep I thought as much

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Dibblah:

And some HDTV is not mpeg2, but mpeg4 – Which FF cards can't do.

[21:30:00]

dasOp:

yeah, leave the decoding to the comp and make sure its fast enough

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Rule:

yeah

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Juski:

european HDTV is mostly gonna be MPEG4

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Juski:

iirc

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Rule:

not really

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Rule:

we only have HD1 through HD5 here... of which only 3 are now active... looks mpeg2 to me

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Juski:

where's 'here', Rule?

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Dibblah:

Yeah! We're still technically ahead of the yanks! It's PAL / Never The Same Color all over again!

[21:32:00]

Rule:

Belgium

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Rule:

Oh sorry they simulcast mpeg2 and mpeg4

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Juski:

Never Twice (the) Same Colour

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Dibblah:

Damn. :)

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Rule:

so you can pick either I guess

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Juski:

red and yellow and pink and green... orange and purple and blue... damn this ****ing HUE control...

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Dibblah:

:)

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Juski:

okay... come and geddit... the beta widescreen version of my Project Grayhem theme is now available at www.juski.co.uk

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Rule:

well Im happy with my current FF card so far anyways, keeps the pc specs down

[21:35:00]

Juski:

suppose I'll have to resubscribe to the users list..

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Dibblah:

Rule: Personally, I'd be suggesting http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . control.html

[21:35:00]

Juski:

set top box on a PCI card.. what _were_ they thinking?

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Rule:

hmm thats where I got my technotrend

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Dibblah:

Umm... Wait. Myth doesn't support the DVB card (av7110) output, does it?

[21:36:00]

Dibblah:

That's only VDR, really.

[21:36:00]

Rule:

I got a technotrend C2100 in my myth box

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Rule:

I flagged the option for FF cards and it works fine

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Dibblah:

But no OSD?

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Dibblah:

Oh. You're not using the TV out feature on the card.

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Rule:

indeed

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Rule:

no need

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Dibblah:

So, in fact, you're using it as a dumb card.

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Dibblah:

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Rule:

well myth doesnt do that indeed

[21:39:00]

Rule:

just testing with it

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Dibblah:

;)

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Rule:

I wonder if my pvr350 will play back the DVB stuff.. any idea ?

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Dibblah:

Should do.

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Dibblah:

(I have 2 FF cards here as well, which I still have to ebay)

[21:40:00]

Dibblah:

Bought 4 Skystars and couldn't be happier with them.

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Rule:

ic

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Dibblah:

The FF cards had a horrible tendency to crash.

[21:40:00]

Rule:

they have a CI interface too ?

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Dibblah:

And also didn't like outputting undecrypted streams.

[21:41:00]

Rule:

thats redundant CI ;)

[21:41:00]

Dibblah:

The SkyStar? No CI. I don't need it.

[21:41:00]

Rule:

k

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Rule:

so the twinhan one is also not a FF, right ?

[21:41:00]

Dibblah:

I only watch freeview ;)

[21:42:00]

Rule:

I love the new EIT parser btw

[21:42:00]

Rule:

works like a charm

[21:42:00]

Rule:

could do with automatic transport scanning though

[21:42:00]

Juski:

it used to have that.. was it taken out?

[21:43:00]

Rule:

well it doesnt work I guess

[21:43:00]

Rule:

not looked at the code

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Dibblah:

Twinhan is not FF. It doesn't decode (MPEG -> raw) the stream. It does decrypt the stream if you have a valid CAM and software support for high-level CI (Which myth does not)

[21:43:00]

Rule:

I can select full tuned scan or full scan of existing transports

[21:43:00]

Juski:

I mean I used to get channels added automagically

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Dibblah:

Juski: No, that was turned off.

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Dibblah:

"Principal of least surprise"

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Dibblah:

Rule: You're looking for a blindscan? No, Myth doesn't.

[21:44:00]

Rule:

hmm but can it detect all transports automatically during mythtv-setup ?

[21:44:00]

Juski:

right.. this thing has been sitting dormant all day & I still don't have EIT data for lots of channels

[21:44:00]

Rule:

I saw some comment on -dev about it..

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** Juski runs mythbackend with verbose option thingies **

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Rule:

Juski : it scans all transports, takes about 5 mins per transport, including pauses in between

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Dibblah:

Not all transports. You give it a 'seed' transport and it'll tune to all of the (non-technical term) linked transports on that bouquet...

[21:45:00]

Dibblah:

5 mins is unusual...

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dasOp:

so mythtv doesnt suppoert non-free dvb?

[21:46:00]

Juski:

a 'seed' transport?

[21:46:00]

Rule:

I think it matches the housekeeping jobs that run

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dasOp:

my plans just went out the window then

[21:46:00]

Rule:

thats what it looks like in backend debg anyway

[21:46:00]

Dibblah:

dasOp: Yes it does, through a CI and CAM.

[21:46:00]

dasOp:

thats what I thought

[21:46:00]

Rule:

I can see the CI handler kicking in on myth

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Dibblah:

Just not the Twinhan cards. They're 'special'. And not in a good way.

[21:47:00]

Rule:

oic

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dasOp:

I'll be getting TT or Hauppauge methinks

[21:47:00]

dasOp:

if the latter can evern be found, its DVB-C card seems to have disappeared

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Rule:

Its available in germany iirc

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Rule:

though the TT is cheaper I *think*

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dasOp:

yeah, I dont doubt that

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Dibblah:

I'd suggest the same card I suggested to Rule.

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dasOp:

I hear good things about the TT

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Rule:

it Just Works (tm) ;-)

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dasOp:

with the one you pasted, I need to buy both a CI and a CAM

[21:50:00]

Rule:

it doesnt have a CI connector either I gues

[21:50:00]

Rule:

s

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Dibblah:

Nope. It doesn't.

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Rule:

A pity of all those skipped dvb-c radio channels... I thought I had read commits that added dvb radio channel support ?

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Dibblah:

Nope. That was a patch in Trac.

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Dibblah:

It's not in mainline.

[21:51:00]

Dibblah:

head, whatever you want to call it.

[21:51:00]

dasOp:

can I even add a CI to the technisat card?

[21:51:00]

Dibblah:

Nope.

[21:51:00]

dasOp:

then I guess I wont be using it

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simon_c_home:

Hi All

[21:52:00]

Rule:

what about the TT budget ?

[21:52:00]

Rule:

hello simon_c_home

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Dibblah:

Depends. Some of the budgets had a CI connector.

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simon_c_home:

I've got some recordings that were origanally captuered with a v4l based card, and have been transcoded into mpeg4 (I presume) I'm now trying to edit them, but it won't go into edit mode. Anyone any ideas ?

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Rule:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . -PCI-CI.html

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Juski:

Rule: it's not committed to 0.19, that patch

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Juski:

it works though :)

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Rule:

Im running svn

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Rule:

so its in a branch ?

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Dibblah:

Nope. Not committed at all.

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Juski:

just download the patch & apply it to the source

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Dibblah:

It's a standalone patch in Trac.

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Rule:

ok

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Dibblah:

Nice teamwork, Juski ;)

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Rule:

too bad my micropatch hasnt made 0.18.2 :)

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dasOp:

Rule: the TT budget seems to have a CI interface

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Rule:

dasOp : yeah check the link I pasted

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Rule:

Juski, Dibblah, got a trac ticket for that patch ?

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Rule:

found it

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Rule:

its DVB regardless if its DVB-T or DVB-C I guess

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

Or even -s...

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Juski:

dtv_multiplex table... in mine I've got transport & network IDs in the 1st six, but not in the last two.. would that hurt?

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Rule:

I alo have 2 transports where they are NULL, they are transports where I didnt detect any channels

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Juski:

hmmm EITHelper: chanid not found for atscrcid = 25792 and mplexid = 8

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Rule:

forgot to plug in the laptop :P

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Juski:

multiplex 8 is one of the things that doesn't have the transport IDs in the dtv_multiplex table hmmm

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Rule:

actually I seem to be missing some channels

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Pelalil`:

I'm using mythvideo and I have lots of files sorted into dirs called a, b, ... y and z. To see these dirs, I use the "listings" view (apose to browser or gallery). The problem is the list of dirs is not sorted, how can I get it to list them in order? (or how can I get the gallery view to display folders)

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Rule:

the gallery view used to do folder iirc... I was disappointed when it was changed

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fryfrog:

anyone tried ivtv 0.4.1 yet?

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Rule:

yes

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Rule:

kidn of had to with the latest kernel

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Rule:

s/kidn/kind

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fryfrog:

where did all the modules go?

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fryfrog:

like tuner, etc?

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Rule:

you need to use the kernel ones

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fryfrog:

oh, spiffy

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fryfrog:

what do you use to get em? just turn on a BT card?

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Rule:

CONFIG_VIDEO_AUDIO_DECODER=m

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Rule:

and CONFIG_VIDEO_DECODER=m

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fryfrog:

<M> Add support for additional video chipsets

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fryfrog:

ah

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Rule:

yes

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Rule:

those :)

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fryfrog:

spiffy

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Rule:

sorry too lazy to go in menuconfig ;)

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fryfrog:

good enoguh :0

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Rule:

actually

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Rule:

it didnt give me everything

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fryfrog:

gonna have to muck with ebuild now :/

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fryfrog:

maybe still need the BT stuff to get tuner?

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Rule:

for now you still need to select the BT848

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Rule:

yeah

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Rule:

and eeprom iirc

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Rule:

tveeprom rather

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fryfrog:

gotcha

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Rule:

also, the firmware files have changed names

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Rule:

watchout :)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

thanks, gotta reboot for kernel config to be detected

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Rule:

?

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Juski:

aha!

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fryfrog:

ebuild checks for correct kerel options

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Juski:

since putting the missing numbers into the dtv_multiplex fields.. I'm getting guide data where there was previously none

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Juski:

god, I'm good :-D

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laga:

Juski: just call me laga.

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Juski:

heheh

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** Juski starts to mock up a new theme **

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GreyFoxx:

What was missing ?

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Juski:

serviceID & network ID

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** GreyFoxx is happy. I've got the CPU usage on my EIT stuff down from 99% of the CPU to around 30% gathering 9days work of info for hundreds of channels **

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: you is da man

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GreyFoxx:

just a couple memory issues to clean up and some better caching for event info and it should drop more

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GreyFoxx:

none of this will make it to 0.19 though :)

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Juski:

why not?

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GreyFoxx:

too many changes which will require more testing

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GreyFoxx:

0.19 is too close I think

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laga:

because 0.19 is supposed to be released this year

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Juski:

fairy muffs

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** GreyFoxx heads out shopping **

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Juski:

spose I'll hold off til 0.20 then..

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laga:

Juski: how are you going to help all those helpless puppies at mythtvtalk if you don't upgrade?

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Juski:

if the EIT grabber hogs all my CPU I _can't_ well use it

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laga:

well, you dont have to use it

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Juski:

that's true of course

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laga:

all power to the mighty xmltv

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Juski:

if the radio stuff makes it in.. and support is building for that...

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Juski:

wait a sec.. I can always cron tv_grab_dvb :)

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laga:

you could just run your own 0.19 with some special patches applied ;)

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Juski:

so long as it won't mean I've got to build my own minimyth, yeh

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laga:

hehe

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Juski:

though there might be a way around that now I've got the cramfs tools

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laga:

just compile it and put the binaries into the rootfs, shouldn't be that hard

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Juski:

there's a little job for the weekend

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adante:

anybody else have issues with mythbackend dropping into 100% cpu utilisation?

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Juski:

adante: you using SVN & DVB-EIT?

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adante:

nup and nup

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Juski:

nope

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adante:

using whatever the 18.1-r2 gentoo ebuild is.. dvb yeah

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adante:

don't know what EIT is :)

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Juski:

EIT is the 'over the air' program guide

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adante:

ah.. no australia is not kind enough to offer one

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Pelalil`:

EIT is that how freeview gets a epg?

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adante:

too much effort apparently.. yet they do offer a seperate channel dedicated to broadcasting upcoming programs for another channel

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Juski:

Pelalil`: yup

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Pelalil`:

cool

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Rule:

I havent noticed any EIT cpu hogging...

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Rule:

I didnt look either ;P

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Dibblah:

Rule: Depends on the provider.

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Rule:

oh

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Rule:

hmm it seems that 1 transport provides the EIT data for all the channels

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Rule:

about 1300 entries

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Rule:

but the other transports are parsed too and report things like 7 entries :P

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fryfrog:

okay, so where does ivtv 0.4.1 expect to find its firmware?

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fryfrog:

it is *in* /lib/firmware/

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Rule:

it uses hotplug

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fryfrog:

but its complaining about not finding it :/

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Rule:

you have the userspace part installed right ?

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Rule:

and changed the names ?

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fryfrog:

erm, userspace part of... hotplug?

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Rule:

yea

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fryfrog:

actually, i think thats the prob

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fryfrog:

back to ebuild editing

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fryfrog:

thanks

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Rule:

not sure why its needed actually

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Juski:

time for bed

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fryfrog:

v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw

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fryfrog:

i have those :/

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Juski:

night night all.. and don't forget to check out the new themeski (www.juski.co.uk)

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fryfrog:

ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

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fryfrog:

ivtv0 warning: Encoder mailbox not found

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fryfrog:

those are the errors i'm getting

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fryfrog:

and a decoder mailbox not found :/

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Rule:

strange

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Rule:

I have seen those before though

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Rule:

might be a FAQ in the wiki

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fryfrog:

lots of stuff on mailing list :/

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fryfrog:

i hope i don't have to drop down to 2.6.14

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.com/492524

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Rule:

I'm running 15-rc6-git1

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Rule:

not much changed since then

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Rule:

pretty sure it should work

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fryfrog:

is there a freenode irc chan for ivtv?

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fryfrog:

#ivtv it is not :)

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laga:

#ivtv-dev prolly

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kormoc:

what about #this_is_not_ivtvs_channel

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Rule:

:P

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kados:

ok ... anyone here know how I can convert a horizontal frequency: 47.712 to the four 0000 0000 0000 0000 I need for the modeline?

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kados:

how exactly do you derive those four numbers from the horizontal frequency

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kcody:

if i (stupidly) deleted a recording's disk file, how do i get rid of the entry

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Kelerion:

kados.. try a program called videogen

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Kelerion:

kcody.. find the entry in the recorded table in the db

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Rule:

or touch the file and delete it ?

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Rule:

if you remember the name ;P

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Kelerion:

or it's in your bash history

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Rule:

indeed

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Rule:

unless you deleted from a samba folder or so ;)

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kcody:

rule: tried touching and deleting

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kcody:

apparently it checks file size etc.

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Kelerion:

okies.. you win.. lol

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Rule:

correct permissions ?

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Rule:

well it shoudl delete the entry anyways

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kcody:

rule: yes, i even verified the filename by turning on 'file' debugging

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Rule:

strange

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kcody:

rule: it wouldn't. that might qualify as a bug.

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Rule:

db it is then

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kcody:

kelerion: that worked fine, delete from recorded where subtitle = 'Urgo';

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kcody:

never liked that episode anyway lol

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Rule:

subliminal purging

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Kelerion:

stargate?

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kcody:

kelerion: yes, lol... but in any series, searching by episode name seems the most intuitive

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DaSkreech:

Ok Two questions

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DaSkreech:

Can I hack the MythTV interface to filter out or highlight TV channels?

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kcody:

has anyone had ghosting issues with watching comcast on demand via composite input?

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Kelerion:

or "delete from recorded where basename='xxx.mpg'" if you know the name (because you just deleted it)

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DaSkreech:

So when I click on TV I get a list of preferred channels

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kcody:

kelerion: that too... you know, a sanity check script might be in order

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Kelerion:

it's in mythvideo.. might be an idea to put it in the frontend

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Rule:

DaSkreech : yes you can select to hide a channel

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Pitchin_uk:

Evening all

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kcody:

which component is mythvideo? something internal?

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Kelerion:

ut oh.. "evening all"? british bobby's are in town

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DaSkreech:

Rule: Not quite that

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Kelerion:

kcody "Media Library/Watch Video's".. that part

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DaSkreech:

Rule: CAn I Have TV -> List of preferred Channels -> Schedule

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Pitchin_uk:

Kelerion : British bobbys say ello ello ello

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kcody:

oic... actually the sanity check should probably be in the backend...

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kcody:

when i highlight the deleted video, the backend spins trying to open it

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fryfrog:

arg, why does this ivtv 0.4.1 not work :/

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kcody:

i can hear the drive crunching from my couch

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Kelerion:

fryfrog: working fine and dandy for me

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Pitchin_uk:

Im just drawing up my spec for my mythtv box and i wanted to know what tv cards ppl are using

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kcody:

it ought to be notifying the frontend that the file has disappeared, should it remove the entry, rerecord, or ignore

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Kelerion:

am using a pvr250

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Rule:

fryfrog : sorry it worked for me :-/

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kcody:

pichin_uk: pvr150mce

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Kelerion:

kcody: as mythvideo does

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DaSkreech:

can I browse the net from the MythTV interface?

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kcody:

right... but it would have to be a backend component; if i understand right, mythvideo is for watching files local to the -frontend-

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Kelerion:

yes.. install mythbrowser

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DaSkreech:

Sweet!

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Kelerion:

kcody: right

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kcody:

i'm actually running a separate backend – i don't like daemons on my living room box

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Kelerion:

same here

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Rule:

DaSkreech : not sure... all my preferred channels are at the top of my list :-)

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Pitchin_uk:

because im after free to air digital tv im looking at the WinTV-HVR-1300 MCE -will that work??

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Rule:

there are cheaper options

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Rule:

DVB-T right ?

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Kelerion:

the nova-t seems to be the most popular for dvb

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kcody:

i can also report acceptable viewing performance on a thinkpad t21 p3–800, savage video w/o xv

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Kelerion:

but most any card supposed by linux should work

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Pitchin_uk:

yer dvb-t

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kcody:

pitchin_uk: take a look at the pchdtv 3000

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kcody:

www.pchdtv.com

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Beirdo:

umm

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Rule:

if you are american :P

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kcody:

if it supports euro standards it would definitely be the choice – vendor is a pure linux outfit, their drivers are kernel mainstream i think

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Beirdo:

that's ATSC, not DVB-T

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Rule:

indeed

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Kelerion:

the hd3000 isn't for dvb

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Kelerion:

am presuming he's british from the -uk in his nick :P

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kcody:

sorry, hadn't checked... all the analog cards now are worldwide

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kcody:

shouldn't say all; the prominent ones

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Rule:

I dont think so

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Rule:

PVR cards are PAL/SECAM or NTSC afaict

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Rule:

not both

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Pitchin_uk:

shame i was almost convinced

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Rule:

please correct me if Im wrong

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kcody:

the 150mce appears to be ntsc/ntsc-j/pal, not sure about secam

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Kelerion:

Pitchin_uk.. I have a twinhan card thats pretty ok.. and the nova-t cards seem popular

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DaSkreech:

How many terminals can one server support?

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Rule:

terminals ?

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laga:

frontends

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Kelerion:

DaSkreech: depends usually on your network bandwith

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Rule:

oh :)

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laga:

and on disk i/o

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Rule:

sorry my job involves TTY terminals ;)

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Kelerion:

yup

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Rule:

I have read about recording multiple programs on the same transport stream... does myth support that ?

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kcody:

question is, how would it -get- multiple transport streams from the same source... except maybe hardware dvb or firewire?

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Kelerion:

Rule: mythtv can record multiple streams if the tuner can change channels.. so thats hardware dependant

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DaSkreech:

So

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Rule:

erm not sure what you mean by changing channels

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DaSkreech:

Can a backend be a front end to multiple backends?

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Agrajag-:

Rule: you talking dvb? no, myth doesn't do that yet

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Rule:

you mean change PID ?

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Kelerion:

well.. if there are multiple tuners available.. which is better way to phrase it

[23:22:00]

Rule:

DVB yes

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kormoc:

DaSkreech, yes

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Agrajag-:

Rule: but someone is wokring in it apparently

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Rule:

yeah I read that

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Rule:

that would be ace ;)

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Agrajag-:

in .au they have all the chanenls on different transport streams so doesn't really help me :P

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kcody:

i'm going to have a look at the command handling structure; programming lirc in terms of keypresses is clunky (see xine's approach)

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Agrajag-:

but the one channel sometimes has multiple channels – like in sport they might have different camera angles or something (which are on the same TS)

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Kelerion:

huh? myth can't record from multiple dvb cards?

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Agrajag-:

Kelerion: yes it can

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DaSkreech:

kormoc: So I can have 5 computers with 3 tuners each getting channels and a backend which serves that to 18 frontends

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Kelerion:

thought so

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Pitchin_uk:

would it make much difference to go for the hvr 1100 instead

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Agrajag-:

Kelerion: can't record multiple channels on the TS though

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kormoc:

DaSkreech, sure

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Agrajag-:

Kelerion: which is possible with the one tuner

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kormoc:

DaSkreech, if you have enough network bandwidth that is

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Kelerion:

ok.. got what yer on about now

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Rule:

sorry for not being clear :)

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DaSkreech:

kormoc: Should

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DaSkreech:

And it supports touch screen TVs?

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dasOp:

no

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Kelerion:

nope

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dasOp:

mythtv interface isnt mouse based

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kcody:

daskreech: that's asking a lot; myth is deliberately mouse blind, and touchscreens are essentially mice

[23:26:00]

dasOp:

its keyboard or remote

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DaSkreech:

DAmn

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DaSkreech:

Well there goes that idea

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laga:

i believe there have been efforts to make mythtv support mice. but nothing went into SVN, i guess

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kormoc:

it hasn't been able to be done while keeping the simple interface

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kcody:

would be pissah but it would mean an input interpretation layer to map mouse coordinates to theme-placed pictures of buttons

[23:27:00]

kcody:

kormoc: it can be, the themer already has to be aware of what's being placed where. all that's required is a list of rectangles, to map coordinates to commands... but see my earlier comment about the command structure.

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DaSkreech:

kcody: So if there is a known theme it;s possible to get mythtv to recogonize a touch screen for that theme

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kcody:

daskreech: no.

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Rule:

darn I _am_ missing channels

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DaSkreech:

Damn

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kcody:

this code doesn't exist, i'm talking theory.

[23:28:00]

DaSkreech:

ah well

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kormoc:

kcody, okay, it hasn't been able to be done yet by the people who tried.

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DaSkreech:

kcody: Can I ask in #mythtv

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kcody:

daskreech: don't ask me; i'm not on the devel team

[23:29:00]

DaSkreech:

kcody: I'm asking if thats a valid question to ask in #mythtv. They are a bit touchy about what gets said there\

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kormoc:

DaSkreech, you can ask, but you might get yelled at or told the same thing.

[23:29:00]

DaSkreech:

Thanks :)

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Kelerion:

or told to ask here :P

[23:29:00]

DaSkreech:

If not it's back to nvidia media center

[23:29:00]

DaSkreech:

As usual :)

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kcody:

seriously though, the code isn't there... wouldn't ask them unless you're planning to write it yourself

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Rule:

never heard of it :)

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DaSkreech:

kcody: I'm willing

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Rule:

and able ?

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kormoc:

so write away!

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Rule:

:)

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DaSkreech:

Only got a few months for this

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DaSkreech:

Don't want to start on a road to nowhere

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Pitchin_uk:

anyone here have 64bit cpus with mythtv

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Kelerion:

there's a few using 64bit

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Rule:

I know some people that have

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Kelerion:

at least on the mailing list

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Rule:

in person :)

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Rule:

since my mythtv setup, about 15 people at work have now built one

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Pitchin_uk:

is it worth it or is it a bit ott

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Rule:

I dont see the advantage tbh

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Kelerion:

works pretty well here without it

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Rule:

mind you, the amd64 cpu runs fast in 32bit :)

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Pitchin_uk:

would my athlon xp 2800 cope?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Rule:

I run all my myth stuff on epias, so I would say yes

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kormoc:

Pitchin_uk, yes, and if you have a hardware card, it'd be under next to no load at all

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Pitchin_uk:

also when looking at a tv card does it matter about software or hardware decoding

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Kelerion:

DaSkreech: btw.. #mythtv usually is empty

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Kelerion:

Pitchin_uk: hardware is always best

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Pitchin_uk:

ah you answered my question kormoc

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kcody:

Pitchin_uk: -decoding- is for output

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Rule:

depends on the POV :)

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Pitchin_uk:

i always get the to mixed up :)

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Kelerion:

encoding=capturing

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kormoc:

Pitchin_uk, make sure to get hardware encoding, decoding is much more optional

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kcody:

i'm getting .15 load on a 3.06 HT with xv, but not xvmc – in other words, hardware scaling and color conversion, but software MPEG2 decoding

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

kcody, what videocard?

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Rule:

Kelerion : actually I think ivtv uses the reverse

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kcody:

radeon 9600 pro

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kormoc:

odd...

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kormoc:

.15 is way lower then it should be

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kormoc:

it should be more akin to 15

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Pitchin_uk:

what are the sound inputs on the hvr cards for?

[23:36:00]

Rule:

Kelerion : well at least I always get confused on their maillist

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kormoc:

unless you mean .15 as 15%

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kcody:

actually a little higher, it's more like .8 (system load)

[23:36:00]

kcody:

i'm seeing a 60% free cpu

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kcody:

was lower earlier

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Rule:

always near 0 here

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kcody:

yeah now load is at .6, must have been a cron job

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Rule:

unless we are talking xvid ;P

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kcody:

i'm talking about displaying the 720x480 that came out of the pvr150, playing while recording

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Rule:

using pvr350 for that at near 0 cpu :)

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Rule:

is it 720x480 or 720x576 btw

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kcody:

720x480; it wouldn't go higher

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kcody:

i think ntsc uses 240 lines?

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Rule:

oh ntsc

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Rule:

ok

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Rule:

it must be getting late

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kcody:

lol

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Rule:

;-)

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Pitchin_uk:

does the nova-t have a hardware encoder

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D-side:

I don't think so. I think it merely accepts mpeg2 input

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kcody:

dvb (and atsc) -are- a broadcast mpeg stream – no encoding required

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kcody:

for that matter, so is the stream coming over comcast cable, and probably most satellite as well

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DaSkreech:

Kelerion: Cool

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Rule:

I have some DVB channels in mpeg4 here

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kcody:

really

[23:42:00]

Rule:

hdtv euro1080

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kcody:

that's cool... but does screw up hardware decoding

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Rule:

well HD1 is what its called now

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Rule:

it broadcasts both mpeg2 and mpeg4

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kcody:

IIRC, mpeg4 is really only advisable when bandwidth is at a premium

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Rule:

Yes I think they are migrating to mpeg4

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Rule:

or h.264 I should say maybe

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Pitchin_uk:

so if i wanted a decent freeview pci card the nova-t would be a good choice??

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kcody:

-that- has hardware support in the avivo chipset, but god only knows how long it will be before someone writes a driver

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Rule:

yeah the latest ati and nvidia cards handle them

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kcody:

expect nvidia to support it promptly

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Rule:

they do in the windows drivers I think

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Rule:

not sure

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kcody:

scuttlebutt has it, nvidia is right on top of feature support

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kcody:

and i know from personal experience, ati only barely tolerates the existence of linux, and then only when the cameras are watching

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fryfrog:

i wish the lirc modules were force programmed to load bttv :/

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Pitchin_uk:

anyone in here in the uk

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Rule:

fryfrog : rather not :/

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Rule:

Pitchin_uk : sorry, across the channel... lots of friends in the UK though

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Kelerion:

I'm in the UK

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fryfrog:

Rule: oops, i meant "weren't"

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Pitchin_uk:

Kelerion: whihc tv card did you say you had again?

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Kelerion:

pvr250.. but that ain't freeview

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Kelerion:

I use mine to record from Sky

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Pitchin_uk:

thats what i thought – so you use the composite to link it to your sky box??

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Kelerion:

svideo actually.. but same idea

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Pitchin_uk:

ok cool

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kcody:

4gb per hour *shudder*

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kcody:

time for some more space...

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Kelerion:

sounds about right

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kcody:

that's ntsc... good thing i decided to hold off upgrading my cable service to high def

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Kelerion:

I don't use HD (we don't use it in the UK) but I think thats about 10gb/ph

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Pitchin_uk:

my problem is i dont know if my xp 2800 would work smoothly with the nova-t card?? my main aim is freeview and a machine that is not overloaded

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Kelerion:

Pitchin_uk: 2800 would be be fine with the nova-t

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Rule:

yes it would

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Kelerion:

all it does is dump the stream directly to hardrive.. no encoding.. then your frontend plays it

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Pitchin_uk:

my other thought is it better to have to tv cards or two backends

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Kelerion:

plenty of people use it with a lot slow proc

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Kelerion:

but two nova-t cards in the same machine.. and I bet you still wouldn't have a prob

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Kelerion:

but=put

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dasOp:

nova-t does use the cpu for some things according to hauppauge page

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Pitchin_uk:

cool cheers kelerion. Final thought for this evening is which gprahics card to go for – im guessing nvidia is better with linux??

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Juski:

back

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Kelerion:

most people prefer nvidia yeah

[23:56:00]

Juski:

damn insomnia

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dasOp:

oh, winuser info. just that it doesnt have any hw decoder

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Kelerion:

wb Juski.. been using the theme since I left.. all good so far :)

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Pitchin_uk:

i currently have an ati 9250

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Juski:

Kelerion: noticed any more issues with the theme? received a few comments about it

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kcody:

pitchin: keep it

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Kelerion:

dasOp: is that for the directdraw stuff?

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kcody:

that's an r200 card, should be well supported for 3d and Xv

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kcody:

just won't do hardware mpeg, and you probably don't need it: it's the scaling that's a bitch on the cpu

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Kelerion:

Juski.. comments about what?

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Pitchin_uk:

ok cheers kcody

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dasOp:

kelerion: no, I meant that the "use of cpu" is irrelevant as its for playback

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Pitchin_uk:

kcody – what do you mean about the scaling being a prob

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Kelerion:

ahh okies.. yup

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DaSkreech:

Kelerion: Nova-t is a hardware encoder?

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Kelerion:

no it ain't

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dasOp:

daskreech: no, its a dvb-t so it's not doing any encoding, just saving the mpeg2 stream

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Kelerion:

dvb-t doesn't get encoded

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kcody:

Pitchin_uk: applies to cards with no video playback acceleration whatsoever

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