| Friday, December 23rd, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | deebus (n=anon@cpe-071-068-008-152.carolina.res.rr.com) Quit () | |
| [00:00:00] | thechris: | first line: |
| [00:00:00] | thechris: | [playlist] |
| [00:00:00] | thechris: | file1=/pathtofile |
| [00:00:00] | thechris: | title1=title |
| [00:01:00] | thechris: | length1=anything(in seconds) |
| [00:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | do you have to specify the length? |
| [00:01:00] | thechris: | i think so, but you can specify anything without truncating the file |
| [00:01:00] | thechris: | for exmple, 1 would be 1 second, but you would still see the hour long file |
| [00:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok, then just file2/title2 etc etc ? |
| [00:02:00] | thechris: | yep |
| [00:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | does it seamlessly move to the next file? I used the vlc http interface to add a second file to my playlist and the already playing clients ll halted after the first file started |
| [00:03:00] | thechris: | i think that was all i needed. i can't find the output of my scripts. that was on my old server |
| [00:03:00] | thechris: | didn't think to back it up |
| [00:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool. I'll do up a shell/perl script to make them from the commandline... that format is easy enough :) |
| [00:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | thx |
| [00:03:00] | thechris: | not sure about that. in VLC i was able to watch the files sequentially |
| [00:04:00] | thechris: | i used mysqldump to get the listings from mysql |
| [00:04:00] | thechris: | but note that they are not in the database in cronological order |
| [00:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll just have the script access the database if it needs that info |
| [00:04:00] | thechris: | you people and your knowledge of SQL |
| [00:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [00:05:00] | thechris: | oh |
| [00:05:00] | thechris: | last two lines: |
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| [00:06:00] | thechris: | NumberOfEntries=num(counting from 1) |
| [00:06:00] | thechris: | Version=2 |
| [00:06:00] | thechris: | not sure why version = 2. |
| [00:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok, cool |
| [00:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll experiment with that later when I get home |
| [00:06:00] | thechris: | good luck |
| [00:07:00] | BloodyIron: | im gonna go shower guys, afk |
| [00:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use vlc every day to stream stuff to my office and then internall reflect it to the other coworkers |
| [00:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | but it would be much more handy to have a playlist done first |
| [00:07:00] | thechris: | now the playlist needs to point to the files as seen by the client |
| [00:08:00] | thechris: | eg \\server\file if on a samba share |
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| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I am going to setup the playlist on the server, not the client |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | the client wont have direct file access to the files |
| [00:09:00] | thechris: | hmm, that may be an issue. for my case, i made different playlists for each client |
| [00:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | But that should be easy enough |
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| [00:09:00] | thechris: | i assume you would set up a URL for each item |
| [00:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | I doubt it. The vlc on the "server" will read the playlist and have local access to the files, but the clients connecting to the http stream wont need access to the files |
| [00:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just needed the format of the playlist |
| [00:11:00] | thechris: | ok, cool |
| [00:15:00] | redline--: | anyone have any ideas for a good login/display mager for myth? |
| [00:15:00] | redline--: | gdm is failing to compile on my gentoo system |
| [00:15:00] | redline--: | mager = manager |
| [00:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | why use a login manager at all ? |
| [00:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Isn't there a kdm or something? |
| [00:16:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah! What GreyFoxx said!! |
| [00:16:00] | redline--: | how do i get a machine to autologin without a manager? |
| [00:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just setup your window manager to auto start myth and launch X from an init file or something |
| [00:17:00] | redline--: | i have xfce4 but i have to login first and manually run startxfce4 |
| [00:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I just added a few lines to the end of my init files to start x as my mythtv user, then my window manager auto launches mythfrontend |
| [00:17:00] | thechris: | redline--: you can just set up .xinitrc |
| [00:18:00] | thechris: | then run startx at the end of the boot process |
| [00:18:00] | redline--: | im a bit noobish on this one, do i use the default xinitrc? |
| [00:18:00] | thechris: | no |
| [00:18:00] | thechris: | unless you like twm |
| [00:19:00] | redline--: | no i dont heh |
| [00:19:00] | redline--: | how do i get to login as the user first though? |
| [00:19:00] | thechris: | IIRC the file is fairly easy to modify for whatever window manager you want |
| [00:19:00] | thechris: | actually, you can also use XDM and set it up to autologin |
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| [00:20:00] | thechris: | i know how to do this in gentoo. its in /etc/rc.conf IIRC |
| [00:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline--: Forget the idea of logging in. you don't have to login. You can set your init scripts to just start x as your user |
| [00:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline--: I have this as the end of my init scripts. It launches X as the user "mythtv" |
| [00:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://pastebin.ca/34651 |
| [00:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | my window manager auto launches myth |
| [00:21:00] | thechris: | IIRC XDM has the advantage of XDMCP — which is a remote X session a bit more advanced then just ssh -Y |
| [00:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | and if I pass a "noutologin" parameter during boot I can skip the auto starting of X if I want |
| [00:22:00] | redline--: | cool Grey Ill try this and see what happens |
| [00:22:00] | redline--: | this in your inittab script or startup dir |
| [00:23:00] | BloodyIron: | thechris how often do you come in here? |
| [00:23:00] | redline--: | init.d dir i mean |
| [00:23:00] | thechris: | BloodyIron: typically everytime i have problems... |
| [00:23:00] | BloodyIron: | cool |
| [00:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline--: You could add it to one of your init scripts. usually rc.local is the last one to get executed |
| [00:23:00] | BloodyIron: | as i said earlier, you should get the ppl for ivtv or mythtv to link to your 500 instructions :O |
| [00:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | but your distro may vary :) |
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| [00:24:00] | redline--: | its Gentoo |
| [00:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline--: I think they have and rc.local, but you would have to verify that :) |
| [00:24:00] | redline--: | there is justr a local file in there im pretty sure thats it |
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| [00:26:00] | thechris: | oh, its in /etc/init.d/local.start |
| [00:26:00] | redline--: | rebooting now to try it |
| [00:26:00] | thechris: | iirc |
| [00:28:00] | BloodyIron: | thechris? |
| [00:28:00] | redline--: | local was the file and that did the trick! |
| [00:28:00] | thechris: | BloodyIron: ? |
| [00:29:00] | redline--: | now what file is the autostart program file =p |
| [00:29:00] | BloodyIron: | do you think you will ask them to link to your documentation? i would hate to lose the link :/ (i dont keep favourites) |
| [00:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline--: That will depend on your particular window manager :) Google can help ya there |
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| [00:32:00] | thechris: | BloodyIron: i've asked them just now. |
| [00:32:00] | BloodyIron: | sweet |
| [00:32:00] | BloodyIron: | i hope they do :) |
| [00:33:00] | thechris: | BloodyIron: you know, yu could have asked them yourself, in #mythtv |
| [00:33:00] | BloodyIron: | oh |
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| [00:33:00] | redline--: | Got it GreyFoxx thanks again =) |
| [00:33:00] | BloodyIron: | well i figured since you wrote it, it might be a better idea for you, so you could coordinate updates or something |
| [00:33:00] | BloodyIron: | i dunno :O |
| [00:33:00] | thechris: | its pretty much not related to mythtv. |
| [00:34:00] | redline--: | i am about to launch 3 1ghz frontend boxes around my house to all of my tv's |
| [00:34:00] | thechris: | the only thing i say about mythtv is to restart the backend after reloading ivtv |
| [00:34:00] | BloodyIron: | well I would not have known that I needed ivtv for my 500 drivers if it wasnt linked by mythtv's website :O |
| [00:35:00] | ** GreyFoxx cries as he repairs a users SQL tables AGAIN........I hate these people ** | |
| [00:36:00] | BloodyIron: | heh |
| [00:36:00] | thechris: | yeah, my point was that i wouldn't need to coordinate updates between ivtv for pvr500 and mythtv. |
| [00:36:00] | BloodyIron: | uhh okay |
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| [00:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | this is a stupid question but im a little rusty with permissions, how do I allow the user "mythtv" to have full access to read/write/create files/folders in /media (a 290gb partition on /dev/hda3) |
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| [00:44:00] | evilbuny: | chown mythtv:mythtv /media |
| [00:44:00] | Molotov: | took the words right out of my fingers |
| [00:45:00] | OhNoNotHim: | evilbuny: should i have a group called mythtv? |
| [00:45:00] | evilbuny: | *shrug* |
| [00:45:00] | evilbuny: | up to you |
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| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | some distros auto create a group for every user, some just put them all in "user" |
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| [00:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | it's up to you really |
| [00:46:00] | evilbuny: | anyone here familiar with breezy and ivtv-0.4.1 |
| [00:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | didnt work |
| [00:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | when i try to run mythbackend |
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| [00:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | it says /media/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied |
| [00:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | unable to open lockfile! |
| [00:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | wait, i ran it as root to see if i could |
| [00:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | lemme make sure that users own that file |
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| [00:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | nope permission still deniee |
| [00:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | denied* |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | who owns /media ? |
| [00:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i did a chown -R mythtv:users /media |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | is that a mounted drive? |
| [00:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so it should be mythtv |
| [00:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yes |
| [00:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | do i need to add something in fstab |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | from a shell ... touch /media/blah |
| [00:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | to give users acess |
| [00:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | OhNoNotHim: Likely |
| [00:50:00] | OhNoNotHim: | GreyFoxx: Cannot touch: permission denied |
| [00:50:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i was able to run mythbackend as root |
| [00:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | you need to remount it with permissions for the user to write to it |
| [00:50:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ok, so how do i do that (both in fstab and now) |
| [00:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | man fstab ;) |
| [00:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [00:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't remember the exact syntax |
| [00:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | something like change the default options to rw,user=user,group=group... or maybe it's uid/gid |
| [00:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | what was noatime again |
| [00:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i forgot |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | it wont update the "accesstime" of a file |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | basically there is a "hidden" timestamp on every file that gets updated every single time someone opens the file... for reading or writing |
| [00:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | It use to be used by tar and such for archiving commonly accessed files but is just a waste of drive access for 99% of boxes out there |
| [00:54:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ah |
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| [00:58:00] | SqWaw: | 'ello |
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| [00:59:00] | BloodyIron: | hey check this out :D |
| [00:59:00] | BloodyIron: | http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.php?PageTa . . . 969&SID= |
| [00:59:00] | BloodyIron: | usb > cat5 > usb |
| [00:59:00] | BloodyIron: | extender |
| [00:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I have one of those at work, nifty :) |
| [01:00:00] | ** GreyFoxx heads home ** | |
| [01:00:00] | BloodyIron: | cool |
| [01:00:00] | BloodyIron: | how well does it work? |
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| [01:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | still cant get the user permission to be on /media |
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| [01:10:00] | thechris: | OhNoNotHim: did you manage to get past mythtv-setup segfaulting by changing themes? |
| [01:12:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yeah |
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| [01:12:00] | OhNoNotHim: | now im having trouble giving my mythtv user access to my /media partition |
| [01:12:00] | OhNoNotHim: | on /dev/hda3 |
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| [01:12:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its a reiserfs partition |
| [01:13:00] | thechris: | wait, /media parition |
| [01:14:00] | thechris: | that was probably a bad name... hal/dbus mounts things in /media nowdays |
| [01:14:00] | thechris: | chmod 777 /media |
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| [01:15:00] | OhNoNotHim: | thechris: heh, thats one of my probs, i was chmoding 666 ;-) |
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| [01:22:00] | ** deebus has never been so frustrated with an application... ** | |
| [01:22:00] | deebus: | my crappy pvr500 just records static |
| [01:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i just did mythfilldatabase and it seems to keep downloading the same file |
| [01:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | what n/m that filesize was a little different |
| [01:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | how many files does it d/l though |
| [01:22:00] | awstott: | my myth install broke my ubuntu install :( |
| [01:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i think im at around 15 |
| [01:23:00] | deebus: | my knoppmyth install broke my will to live... |
| [01:23:00] | deebus: | freakin KNOPPMYTH didn't work. that's like, fischer-price mythtv |
| [01:23:00] | awstott: | lol |
| [01:23:00] | deebus: | somehow I managed to cut myself on rounded, plastic corners |
| [01:23:00] | awstott: | I have a pvr 500 too |
| [01:23:00] | OhNoNotHim: | my knoppmyth didnt work either |
| [01:23:00] | deebus: | does it work? |
| [01:24:00] | awstott: | I dunno... I blew up my linux install trying to get it working |
| [01:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i have one of those older hauppage ones |
| [01:24:00] | awstott: | i havn't been successful yet |
| [01:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | WTF |
| [01:24:00] | deebus: | I'm this close: | | (not to scale) to switching to a real distro |
| [01:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | how many things does mythfilldatabase download |
| [01:24:00] | deebus: | lots and lots, I think |
| [01:24:00] | deebus: | give or take |
| [01:24:00] | awstott: | deebus http://www.abarbaccia.com |
| [01:24:00] | awstott: | thats what i'm following |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yay its done |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | awstott: the gentoo wiki on mythtv isnt too bad |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i had some problems in the mysql area |
| [01:25:00] | deebus: | yeah, I'm thinking gentoo, too |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | as well as the lirc thing as well |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i like gentoo |
| [01:25:00] | deebus: | er, gentoo-too |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i use it on my linux boxes |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | compiling takes forever |
| [01:25:00] | deebus: | it's just so bloody long to set up |
| [01:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but you dont have to think ;-) |
| [01:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ie you want something you are like emerge blah |
| [01:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and go outside *gasp* |
| [01:26:00] | deebus: | for true, yes |
| [01:26:00] | awstott: | gentoo scurred me the first time I tried installin it |
| [01:26:00] | deebus: | what is this "outside" you speak of? |
| [01:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | there are females out there i've heard |
| [01:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | never seen one in person though |
| [01:26:00] | deebus: | you mean, in plain view of the harmful UV rays and social interaction? |
| [01:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [01:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i always go outside in my tinted bubble |
| [01:27:00] | deebus: | boy, this is my favorite irc channel, and I'm not even using mythtv |
| [01:27:00] | deebus: | I always go outside my tainted bubble... |
| [01:27:00] | deebus: | but that's really gross |
| [01:28:00] | deebus: | what, I mention "taint" and the room falls silent? |
| [01:28:00] | deebus: | sheesh! |
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| [01:28:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [01:28:00] | deebus: | actually, I have a mythtv-related question... |
| [01:29:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im silent because i opened up my mythfrontend |
| [01:29:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and went to watch tv and saw blackness :-( |
| [01:29:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im emerging xv though, saw something in the error output about it when i hit esc |
| [01:29:00] | deebus: | I keep getting conflicting stories...are the two streams on pvr-500s supposed to both be on Tuner0, or video0 on tuner0, and video1 on tuner1? |
| [01:30:00] | deebus: | I get blackness too, btw |
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| [01:30:00] | thechris: | i'm not sure it matters. i use need vid0-tun0 and vid1-tun0 |
| [01:31:00] | deebus: | ok, so that's not the issue |
| [01:32:00] | deebus: | what would cause black static when trying to view tv? |
| [01:33:00] | thechris: | deebus: try a dmesg | grep tuner |
| [01:33:00] | thechris: | does it come up with "no tuner"? |
| [01:34:00] | thechris: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup <-- i've had various black screen issues as well |
| [01:34:00] | deebus: | no, it didn't, it saw the card |
| [01:35:00] | deebus: | it's now dead, though |
| [01:35:00] | thechris: | deebus: possibly it is set to PAL or SECAM? |
| [01:35:00] | deebus: | pal or secam? |
| [01:35:00] | deebus: | instead of ntsc, you mean? |
| [01:35:00] | thechris: | instead of NTSC |
| [01:35:00] | deebus: | no, it's set to ntsc |
| [01:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | deebus: have you hit the computer really hard on the side or yelled at it yet? |
| [01:37:00] | deebus: | no, I did the most heinous thing imaginable...I've switched to Windows |
| [01:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | *gasp* |
| [01:37:00] | deebus: | only problem is, windows can't see my 200gb hard drive as 200gb...only 173gb |
| [01:37:00] | ** OhNoNotHim covers up the windows xp in his bootloader ** | |
| [01:37:00] | deebus: | lame-ass OS |
| [01:37:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | 0wn3d |
| [01:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | well i can see a picture with xawtv |
| [01:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its in black and white though |
| [01:39:00] | deebus: | is there a command to create a fat32 filesystem on a partition? |
| [01:41:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | mkfs.fat32 |
| [01:41:00] | deebus: | oh. well, that would certainly have been intuitive.. |
| [01:42:00] | thechris: | OhNoNotHim: is it the correct channel? |
| [01:42:00] | thechris: | OhNoNotHim: i had an issue with the frequencies being incorrect and having it show the wrong channel in B/W |
| [01:44:00] | deebus: | how did you fix that? |
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| [01:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | thechris: um...im not sure |
| [01:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | thechris: i have it running off of analog |
| [01:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i have digital cable |
| [01:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but i dont know how i'd be able to used the digitial with the pvr |
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| [01:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ie the scheduling recording and such |
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| [01:58:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so far i can only get a picture with xawtv |
| [01:58:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh and now its frozen |
| [01:58:00] | OhNoNotHim: | sound is decent |
| [01:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh relatively.... |
| [02:05:00] | redline-: | anyone know if i run ./configure --disable-backend will this just allow me to setup a mythfront end and not break anything with just the frontend? |
| [02:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think that setting is more for portability with systems like Macos and such than to actually build a pc without the backend. |
| [02:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just a couple megs on your drive so it wont hurt to build the whole thing :) |
| [02:07:00] | redline-: | 1 ghz machine = 20 minutes extra copmpile time hehe |
| [02:09:00] | redline-: | Grey do you know any linux hd clone software? |
| [02:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | not likely, since all of the libraries are already built |
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| [02:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline-: rsync is what I use |
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| [02:10:00] | redline-: | format disk install base os and then rsync files? |
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| [02:12:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | MythTV is slow on my machine watching Live TV D: |
| [02:12:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I'm looking at a Hauppage PVR-150 for hardware encoding, anyone with any experience in that area? |
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| [02:12:00] | redline-: | what yea need hack i got a 500 and a 150 |
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| [02:13:00] | OhNoNotHim: | dammit |
| [02:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline-: Nope, if I'm "cloning" a drive I just rsync the entire contents of the old drive to the new one, then rerun lilo or whatever to make it bootable (after and fdisk of course) |
| [02:13:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i changed the theme and now i get that segmentation fault again |
| [02:13:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | redline-: cool, how easy is it to config? |
| [02:13:00] | redline-: | hahahah |
| [02:14:00] | redline-: | thats all i got to say pvr 150 and 500 should not have the word easy in them |
| [02:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | hackmiester[LT]: What exactly is the problem you are seeing? And on what kind of hardware ? |
| [02:14:00] | redline-: | if you can find the right guide you can do it easily on 0.3.8 |
| [02:15:00] | redline-: | currently testing is 0.4.1 but your best bet is to start at 0.3.8 ivtv |
| [02:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | hackmiester[LT]: Ok, sorry I misunderstood.... where you asking for card recommendations ? |
| [02:15:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | GreyFoxx: trust me, it's a 633mHz PIII, it's not enough to encode/decode at the same time. (right? if it can I'm highly impressed) |
| [02:15:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | basically yeah, I need hardware encoding |
| [02:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | hackmiester[LT]: That wouldn't do both at the same time with a software card |
| [02:15:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | and i was looking at the pvr150 |
| [02:15:00] | redline-: | that can do it if you had a hardware encoder |
| [02:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | basically cause it's cheap |
| [02:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | GreyFoxx: yeah, but if it did one the PIII can handle the other, just not both |
| [02:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I said :) |
| [02:17:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | oh |
| [02:17:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh |
| [02:17:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | hardware decoders don't really exist, right? |
| [02:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | they do, just not worth the money really |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | the pvr 350 is an encoder and decoder with tvout |
| [02:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh re emerging mythtv |
| [02:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | with xv as a useflag |
| [02:18:00] | redline-: | so are tyhe 150 and 500 without the tv out |
| [02:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | redline-: the 150 and 500 do not have a decoder |
| [02:19:00] | redline-: | right they dont have an out so the dont need a decoder |
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| [02:19:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | redline-: yeah, I am only looking for input, not out, I've got an output card |
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| [02:22:00] | redline-: | afk |
| [02:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ccccccexit |
| [02:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | whoops |
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| [02:33:00] | Slurpee`: | yo |
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| [02:49:00] | SeanW: | Hi, is there a bug tracker somewhere? |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | svn.mythtv.org/trac |
| [02:49:00] | Krazylegz: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [02:50:00] | SeanW: | thanks! |
| [02:57:00] | Slurpee`: | so i finally have all my hardware |
| [02:58:00] | Slurpee`: | going to start putting it together tomarrow |
| [02:58:00] | Slurpee`: | anybody have any words of wisdom ? |
| [02:59:00] | SeanW: | Slurpee: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
| [03:00:00] | Slurpee`: | thats mythtv fedora ? |
| [03:00:00] | Slurpee`: | i thought debian was best |
| [03:00:00] | SeanW: | That's a religious debate |
| [03:00:00] | SeanW: | Personally I won't touch it. IMHO, YMMV, etc |
| [03:01:00] | Slurpee`: | well what is your opinion |
| [03:01:00] | Slurpee`: | and why do u choose fedora |
| [03:02:00] | SeanW: | Short story is that I find it makes more sense to me |
| [03:02:00] | SeanW: | It's a lot like Solaris, which is where I started in with Unix |
| [03:02:00] | SeanW: | And it's easily controlled out of text files, it's easily maintainable if you have dozens of machines |
| [03:03:00] | SeanW: | (by text files I'm referring to /etc/sysconfig/*, since everything in linux is a text file) |
| [03:03:00] | SeanW: | Four of us bought the hardware together and all had success with the url I posted |
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| [03:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | man, being sick sucks |
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| [03:21:00] | Slurpee`: | is there any "ondemand" related stuff for mythtv ? |
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| [03:31:00] | kormoc: | Slurpee`, nopers |
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| [03:39:00] | cmt: | im having a few odd issues with my tuners.... mostly audio related |
| [03:39:00] | cmt: | first, i dont get any audio on one channel using my pvr-150 |
| [03:39:00] | cmt: | anyone have any thoughts? |
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| [03:44:00] | Slurpee`: | use a dif sound card |
| [03:44:00] | Slurpee`: | ? |
| [03:44:00] | BloodyIron: | yay i got my gentoo box installed :D |
| [03:44:00] | BloodyIron: | now to get mythtv up :O |
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| [03:44:00] | kormoc: | cmt, try a different ivtv version? |
| [03:45:00] | cmt: | im using 0.4.0 |
| [03:45:00] | cmt: | is it worth trying to go higher? |
| [03:45:00] | Nothingman: | having trouble with sound from any recorded stream — LiveTV or to disk — playing louder than anything else while recording, and then the channel continues long after the stream is closed |
| [03:45:00] | kormoc: | it might be |
| [03:45:00] | cmt: | ok |
| [03:45:00] | cmt: | ill give that a shot |
| [03:46:00] | cmt: | one other issue |
| [03:46:00] | Nothingman: | it even plays over the MPEG'd sound from the LiveTV stream |
| [03:46:00] | cmt: | i have a wintv-go as my secondary card (bttv) |
| [03:46:00] | cmt: | if i unmute it in the alsamixer, the audio comes through no matter what (even when watching the other card) and is abot 10 seconds delayed |
| [03:46:00] | cmt: | im a little stumped on this one |
| [03:47:00] | cmt: | any ideas? |
| [03:47:00] | kormoc: | cmt, you need to mute capture playback, but not the actual capture |
| [03:47:00] | cmt: | how do i do that? |
| [03:47:00] | kormoc: | it's in the myth docs |
| [03:47:00] | cmt: | ok.. just making sure its not an alsa thing |
| [03:48:00] | cmt: | thanks |
| [03:48:00] | Nothingman: | my card is an I/OMedia PVR something-or-other (bttv) |
| [03:48:00] | Nothingman: | sound card is an emu10k1-based PCI Live 512 |
| [03:50:00] | BloodyIron: | anyone familiar with Voodoo 3 3500's? |
| [03:51:00] | Nothingman: | no one else has had this problem? |
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| [04:12:00] | redline-: | anyone have any suggestions on best sound card to use with myth? |
| [04:12:00] | redline-: | wanna hook to my home theater |
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| [04:44:00] | thechris: | i wonder if i should put "installed mythtv" on my resume... |
| [04:45:00] | NightMonkey: | thechris: Maybe under the "Personal Projects" section. :) |
| [04:46:00] | thechris: | i do have a section for projects |
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| [05:04:00] | thechris: | hmm. seems Xorg 7 was released today. |
| [05:05:00] | thechris: | i may wait a bit before converting my desktop to 64 bit |
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| [05:12:00] | awstott: | lol |
| [05:13:00] | awstott: | my myth install blew up my installation... nothing works in my gui |
| [05:13:00] | awstott: | :( |
| [05:14:00] | thechris: | gnome? |
| [05:15:00] | awstott: | sorta |
| [05:15:00] | awstott: | I boot up and get an error saying HAL failed to initialize |
| [05:15:00] | awstott: | and nothing I click on the gui works |
| [05:15:00] | awstott: | stuff still works through the console tho |
| [05:16:00] | thechris: | hal failed to initialize... hmm. |
| [05:16:00] | thechris: | have you tried: grep hal /var/log/messages |
| [05:18:00] | awstott: | andrew@sarge:~$ grep hal /var/log/messages |
| [05:18:00] | awstott: | andrew@sarge:~$ |
| [05:18:00] | thechris: | hmm. thats no good. |
| [05:18:00] | thechris: | possibly hald never got called in init? |
| [05:19:00] | awstott: | it was working fine |
| [05:19:00] | awstott: | until I rebooted |
| [05:19:00] | awstott: | after setting up ivtv |
| [05:20:00] | thechris: | i've had ivtv and hal/dbus running before |
| [05:20:00] | awstott: | UT OH |
| [05:20:00] | awstott: | andrew@sarge:~$ su |
| [05:20:00] | awstott: | Sorry. |
| [05:20:00] | awstott: | andrew@sarge:~$ sudo pico /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| [05:20:00] | awstott: | sudo: no passwd entry for root! |
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| [05:20:00] | awstott: | I have no sudo access and no root pw anymore |
| [05:20:00] | thechris: | ok no problem |
| [05:21:00] | thechris: | just reboot with a liveCD (debian, switch to console 2 or 3) |
| [05:21:00] | thechris: | then mount the partions manually |
| [05:21:00] | thechris: | err mount them in /mnt/myinstall |
| [05:21:00] | thechris: | then chroot /mnt/myinstall |
| [05:22:00] | thechris: | finally issue passwd |
| [05:22:00] | awstott: | it shouldn't matter the version right? I have breezy installed but only hoary live cds |
| [05:22:00] | thechris: | just like getting ready to install gentoo |
| [05:22:00] | thechris: | shouldn't matter |
| [05:22:00] | awstott: | gentoo scared me |
| [05:22:00] | redline-: | no need to be scared of the best os out there =) |
| [05:23:00] | thechris: | in anycase you will need to re-add user andrew to the "wheel" group! |
| [05:23:00] | thechris: | for su to work. i never got used to sudo. |
| [05:23:00] | awstott: | I just set a pass for root |
| [05:23:00] | awstott: | so I Can sudo or su |
| [05:23:00] | awstott: | :) |
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| [05:24:00] | redline-: | ZZzzzZzZ waiting on compiles stink =( |
| [05:24:00] | awstott: | lol |
| [05:25:00] | awstott: | if I knew a bit more about linux I'd be more inclined to sit down and mess with gentoo |
| [05:25:00] | redline-: | 1 GHz box 512, myth current svn = long time |
| [05:25:00] | redline-: | once gentoo is installed you sont need to know anymore about linux =) |
| [05:25:00] | awstott: | my box is a 2500+xp with 1024mb of ram |
| [05:26:00] | redline-: | emerge everything |
| [05:26:00] | redline-: | similar to apt-get |
| [05:26:00] | awstott: | compiling stuff on there takes like no time at all |
| [05:26:00] | awstott: | oh ok |
| [05:26:00] | thechris: | man, i'm liking this new emerge --config |
| [05:26:00] | thechris: | could be ncurses/gtk based though |
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| [05:26:00] | redline-: | eh? whats it do? |
| [05:27:00] | thechris: | redline-: like emerge --config mysql |
| [05:27:00] | redline-: | <== opens ssh session to 1 of 5 gentoo boxes |
| [05:27:00] | thechris: | it asks for a root mysql password and sets things up |
| [05:29:00] | thechris: | kinda like dpkg |
| [05:29:00] | awstott: | livecds take forever to boot up |
| [05:29:00] | redline-: | dpkg for solaris? |
| [05:30:00] | redline-: | awstott depends on your cdrom speed |
| [05:30:00] | awstott: | it's a 16x dvdrom |
| [05:30:00] | redline-: | cant wait for mainstream usb booting |
| [05:30:00] | awstott: | think 48x cd |
| [05:30:00] | thechris: | redline-: debians dpkg package config tool |
| [05:30:00] | cmt: | is it possible to run something through the video in of a pvr 150 without cacheing it in mythtv? i.e. i want to run my xbox through it and the delay makes it worthless |
| [05:30:00] | redline-: | ahh |
| [05:30:00] | awstott: | oh oh oh |
| [05:31:00] | awstott: | it's almsot booted |
| [05:31:00] | redline-: | cmt: there may be a passthrough option |
| [05:31:00] | cmt: | in mythtv? |
| [05:31:00] | redline-: | i think its in the ivtv driver |
| [05:31:00] | cmt: | ok, ill look into that |
| [05:31:00] | cmt: | thanks |
| [05:31:00] | redline-: | np |
| [05:32:00] | cmt: | wait... would mythtv be able to switch to it like another input then? |
| [05:32:00] | redline-: | not sure |
| [05:33:00] | awstott: | k thechris I have my root partition mounted in /mnt/myinstall on the live cd |
| [05:33:00] | awstott: | now what? |
| [05:33:00] | redline-: | heh I had an xdestop running mythtv over tightvnc before was pretty cool but video was choppy even under ultra conditions |
| [05:33:00] | redline-: | chroot /mnt/myinstall /bin/bash |
| [05:33:00] | thechris: | awstott: and the root partition have /usr and /bin and /etc |
| [05:33:00] | awstott: | yup |
| [05:33:00] | thechris: | you should be able to chroot. |
| [05:34:00] | awstott: | just what redline- typed? |
| [05:34:00] | redline-: | im pretty sure thats the command |
| [05:35:00] | awstott: | I get a I have no name!@sarge:/# |
| [05:35:00] | awstott: | prompt |
| [05:36:00] | thechris: | yes |
| [05:36:00] | thechris: | now type passwd |
| [05:36:00] | awstott: | says can't determine my username |
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| [05:36:00] | thechris: | did you issue the chroot command? |
| [05:36:00] | awstott: | yup |
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| [05:38:00] | awstott: | I should just say screw it and reinstall |
| [05:38:00] | thechris: | type: whoami |
| [05:38:00] | redline-: | type passwd root |
| [05:38:00] | awstott: | tried passwd root |
| [05:38:00] | awstott: | cannot find username for UID0 |
| [05:39:00] | thechris: | heh, uid0 is root... |
| [05:39:00] | thechris: | hmm. not sure then. you should be able to use a liveCD to get in. |
| [05:41:00] | awstott: | meh.... I think I'll just do a quick reinstall (good thing /home is on it's own partition) |
| [05:41:00] | thechris: | sounds well enough |
| [05:42:00] | awstott: | I think there might be some other issues as well |
| [05:42:00] | awstott: | maybe i should just install gentoo and fight with it till i figure it out |
| [05:42:00] | awstott: | maybe i'll learn something |
| [05:43:00] | awstott: | I'll never use an RPM based distro tho |
| [05:43:00] | awstott: | what a pain in the a$$ |
| [05:44:00] | jelabarre: | so if the mouse is supposed to dissappera when it moves over fields on the mythtv screens, how are you supposed to select from a drop-down list with the keyboard? |
| [05:45:00] | thechris: | right arrow |
| [05:45:00] | thechris: | down arrow |
| [05:45:00] | thechris: | repeat |
| [05:45:00] | thechris: | enter |
| [05:47:00] | jelabarre: | let me try it again. The setup GUI keeps quitting when I try selecting items..... |
| [05:47:00] | thechris: | jelabarre: segfaulting? |
| [05:48:00] | jelabarre: | not sure. I'll have to bring up the window in VNC to see what happens |
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| [05:50:00] | awstott: | well i'm going to bed.... thanks for the help tonite and i'll fight with this tomorrow... hopefully I win |
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| [05:50:00] | jelabarre: | OK, that works, so I'm *definitely* missing the "Input" items for the capture card setup |
| [05:51:00] | jelabarre: | they *were* there, until I crashed the GUI a few times hitting <PgDn> at the wrong times |
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| [05:56:00] | jelabarre: | When I first tried to configure MythTV, I went into the "Capture Cards" screen, and it gave me the various card types, and defaulted with "Video Device: /dev/video0" and "Default Input: Television" (as I remember). |
| [05:57:00] | jelabarre: | I had selected "Finish" before I chanced the Input to Tuner0, so I tried to edit it, and that's when it started to screw up |
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| [05:58:00] | jelabarre: | at this poing both the Video Device and Default Input fields are blank for MPEG-2 Encoder Card |
| [06:00:00] | jelabarre: | I've tried uninstalling & re-installing MythTV package (Ubuntu 5.10), but that apparently doesn't clear it out even with the Purge switch |
| [06:01:00] | jelabarre: | I'm not sure what I'd need to remove from the system to *REALLY* make it re-explore the configuration (I even powered the system off & back on) |
| [06:03:00] | thechris: | you will need to re run mythtv-setup |
| [06:04:00] | thechris: | make sure to choose the correct card type (mpeg, mjpeg, ect...) |
| [06:10:00] | jelabarre: | mythtv-setup is what I'm trying to run |
| [06:10:00] | jelabarre: | and that's the app that isn't seeing the inputs |
| [06:11:00] | jelabarre: | according to the instructions I have, the Hauppague PVR150 is a "MPEG-2 Encoder Card) |
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| [06:19:00] | _EdmGuy__: | pain in the neck video flickering when the menu pops up |
| [06:19:00] | _EdmGuy__: | price I pay for xvmc? |
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| [06:29:00] | d3ity: | :) just ordered my hauppage PVR-150 |
| [06:29:00] | d3ity: | :D |
| [06:29:00] | d3ity: | mythtv is comin soon. |
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| [06:34:00] | _EdmGuy__: | gratz |
| [06:37:00] | sPiN: | ill be getting one on xmas, im trying to compile mythtv on my 64bit box right now |
| [06:44:00] | d3ity: | cool |
| [06:44:00] | d3ity: | so...reiserfs doesnt like mythtv? |
| [06:45:00] | d3ity: | what filesystem would you guys suggest me using? |
| [06:45:00] | d3ity: | ie, what would be the best |
| [06:45:00] | sPiN: | the docks said xfs or jfs |
| [06:45:00] | sPiN: | docs even |
| [06:45:00] | d3ity: | never used either of them |
| [06:45:00] | d3ity: | so basically, reiserfs refuses to work |
| [06:46:00] | d3ity: | damn, i'm a big fan of reiser |
| [06:46:00] | jelabarre: | let's try a power cycle again.... |
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| [06:47:00] | d3ity: | hrm, jfs or xfs, must look into this |
| [06:49:00] | _EdmGuy__: | I'm using XFS |
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| [06:50:00] | d3ity: | hrm, i just talked to my buddy who actually suggested that i finally spend the money on a capture card, he's using reiserfs 3 sucessfully with mythtv |
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| [07:18:00] | sPiN: | www.phpfi.com/93025 |
| [07:18:00] | sPiN: | don know what that means |
| [07:36:00] | sPiN: | im running suse 10 on a 64bit system... i wonder if it just doesnt like gcc4 |
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| [07:39:00] | Cardoe: | d3ity: it's not fast enough for deletes. use xfs |
| [07:40:00] | Cardoe: | d3ity: go for it... it'll just be crappier performance for deletes |
| [07:40:00] | Cardoe: | d3ity: and it won't clean up fully |
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| [07:55:00] | thechris: | i've been using xfs with evms |
| [07:55:00] | thechris: | or i guess, i just put evms on |
| [07:55:00] | Cardoe: | evms? |
| [07:55:00] | Cardoe: | outdated |
| [07:55:00] | Cardoe: | pssh |
| [07:55:00] | Cardoe: | lvm2! |
| [07:55:00] | thechris: | ? |
| [07:55:00] | thechris: | oh, ok, i guess its evms2 |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | it uses lvm2 for volume management |
| [07:56:00] | thechris: | and it works right with udev. a big plus |
| [07:56:00] | Cardoe: | ah |
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| [08:11:00] | NightMonkey: | d3ity: I run reiser3 on my Myth box – runs fine (I hear XFS is faster wrt deletes, tho). Have notail,noatime options set in fstab. |
| [08:11:00] | NightMonkey: | d3ity: Might depend on your disk/controller speed, of course. |
| [08:12:00] | d3ity: | hrm |
| [08:12:00] | d3ity: | thanks for the heads up NightMonkey, i really really didnt want to reformat |
| [08:12:00] | NightMonkey: | d3ity: Make sure you've got your hdparm/DMA settings kosher. |
| [08:12:00] | d3ity: | NightMonkey, rock solid. i love my nforce2 |
| [08:12:00] | Cardoe: | I used to use reiser |
| [08:12:00] | Cardoe: | sooo soo much happier with XFS |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | I used reiser with other stuff |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | Cardoe, really that dramatic? |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | for deletes yes |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | I would delete long shows |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | i use reiser because for what i use it for, its the fastest i need. |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | get a time out error |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | hrm |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | alas...i dont delete things. I buy more drives |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | I now delete stuff instantly. |
| [08:13:00] | Cardoe: | reiser is good for lots of small files |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | yeah, i have lots of relativley small files |
| [08:13:00] | d3ity: | music...etc |
| [08:14:00] | d3ity: | have 500GB of that stuff |
| [08:14:00] | d3ity: | so...i'd like to keep that around |
| [08:14:00] | kormoc: | reiser is not so good with LVM tho |
| [08:14:00] | d3ity: | plus once you pass the 180GB mark, there is no backup |
| [08:14:00] | d3ity: | i dont use lvm. i use mdadm |
| [08:14:00] | d3ity: | with shiny software raid |
| [08:14:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: How so? I use lvm2. |
| [08:14:00] | Cardoe: | music isn't small stuff |
| [08:15:00] | Cardoe: | small stuff is like 1–16kb |
| [08:15:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: (not doubting you – I probably don't have optimum) |
| [08:15:00] | d3ity: | Cardoe, thats x -->-infinity for me |
| [08:15:00] | d3ity: | i dont even bother counting files that small |
| [08:15:00] | Cardoe: | like a portage tree is amazing with reiser |
| [08:16:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: Indeed. :) |
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| [08:16:00] | d3ity: | portage...ew |
| [08:16:00] | d3ity: | gentoo. |
| [08:16:00] | d3ity: | ew. |
| [08:16:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, there's a issue with LVM2 and resier. When a disk goes offline, the LVM sets the array to readonly mode. which is fine, then Reiser goes to start up and needs to fsck the partition, and the issue is, reiser requires RW access to fsck, due to how it handle journal files, and because the array is RO at a lower level then reiser is, it can't fsck the partition and therefore refuses to mount, leaving a large mess. |
| [08:16:00] | ** NightMonkey ducks ** | |
| [08:16:00] | ** d3ity tosses the distro grenade and ducks ** | |
| [08:16:00] | d3ity: | back to filesystem wars. |
| [08:17:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, it's not as bad as the issue with LVM2 and ext2/3 with arrays 350 gb+ tho :) |
| [08:17:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Yikes! |
| [08:17:00] | d3ity: | basically i just want to record a few shows i like, finally have some sort of tv-guide thing...and be able to rewind some crap. |
| [08:17:00] | d3ity: | or perhaps, pause. |
| [08:17:00] | d3ity: | and i'm a poor college student, i'm not paying for digital cable and a tivo |
| [08:17:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, there's a bug with LVM2 and ext2/3 that on large arrays, it looses track where the end of the array is and trys to write beyond the end, causesing some wonderful filesystem issues with missing data. |
| [08:17:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Wow, which jorunaled FSes doesn't have this issue with LVM2? |
| [08:17:00] | d3ity: | so...seeing as i'm a linux user, this sounds shiny to me, think reiserfs can handle that? |
| [08:18:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: (the first issue, that is) |
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| [08:18:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, From what I understand, the first issue is a resierfs only issue |
| [08:18:00] | Cardoe: | d3ity: it's ok... insult gentoo... they all do around here. |
| [08:18:00] | ** NightMonkey is afraid ** | |
| [08:18:00] | Cardoe: | all the uninteligent ones at least |
| [08:18:00] | d3ity: | Cardoe, yeah, its ok, trust me, i hear ALL kinds of crap about the distro i use bieng from 1998 |
| [08:18:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, other journaling filesystems can be forced to be mounted, even if unclean and data can be recovered, reiser is uniquie in that it can't be forced to do so |
| [08:19:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Wow, what's the "perfect" LVM2 FS combo, in your opinion? |
| [08:19:00] | Cardoe: | d3ity: and that is? |
| [08:19:00] | d3ity: | Cardoe, thats why i switched to a port of it that runs x64. |
| [08:19:00] | d3ity: | Cardoe, slackware! |
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| [08:19:00] | d3ity: | and slamd64 |
| [08:19:00] | ** d3ity hugs slackware ** | |
| [08:20:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, From the research I've done, XFS is the most bug free one at the moment. Ext2/3 is fine for arrays under 350 gb or so (I have a 320 gb array that doesn't have this issue, I have a friend with a 380 gb array who does, so the 'magic' number is somewhere inbetween) |
| [08:20:00] | NightMonkey: | d3ity: Cardoe is right about XFS – but if you don't wish to reformat, then tune it. Do you have notail,noatime set? |
| [08:20:00] | d3ity: | NightMonkey, yes. indeed i do |
| [08:20:00] | d3ity: | all that shiny stuff is setup |
| [08:20:00] | kormoc: | dir_indexing is a nice sweet speed boost to ext3 if anyone is running it |
| [08:21:00] | d3ity: | btw, can you guys do me a favor, can you guys rate how hard myth is to setup? say, scale of 1–10, 1 bieng installing a package, 10 bieng LFS |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I like ext3 for "normal" arrays |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: but ext3 for large stuff |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you mean single "partition" right |
| [08:21:00] | kormoc: | d3ity, I'd say a 3 to 4 |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: dir_indexing? |
| [08:21:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Yeah, I just heard of that. Does it "even up" ext3 vs. reiser3, in terms of performance with small files and large file deletes? |
| [08:21:00] | d3ity: | kormoc, so...somewhere around compiling a kernel with a patch or two? |
| [08:22:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, hrm? dir_index enables btree hash of the directory structure of the filesystem, speeding up loading of directorys with lots of little files a ton |
| [08:22:00] | NightMonkey: | I mean "tons of small files", rather. |
| [08:22:00] | NightMonkey: | And there's my answer. ;) |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | just add dir_index to the mount options? |
| [08:22:00] | ** d3ity anxiously awaits returning to college and getting back to his box with his shiny new PVR-150 ** | |
| [08:22:00] | kormoc: | d3ity, yeah, cause you need to compiule in your drivers. |
| [08:22:00] | d3ity: | kormoc, doesnt sound hard. |
| [08:22:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, actually it's a tune2fs -o dir_index option |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: and any needed patches? |
| [08:22:00] | kormoc: | d3ity, it's not really |
| [08:22:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, once you do that, fsck -D /dev/blah |
| [08:22:00] | d3ity: | so basically, new kernel...install program |
| [08:23:00] | d3ity: | this whole frontend and backend stuff confuses me. |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, -D builds the directory index |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, and then that's it |
| [08:23:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: so I can't quite do that on my / partition |
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| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, yeah, you can next time you reboot, just reboot to a live cd, do so, and boot right back |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, it took mine about 2 seconds to build the dir index the first time on my root |
| [08:23:00] | Cardoe: | I wanted to do it to my box in the living room |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [08:24:00] | Cardoe: | actually I'm putting the nvidia card in it next boot |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | I had a little script that demonistarted the speed difference based on loopback file systems |
| [08:25:00] | kormoc: | it was a large difference overall |
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| [08:25:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, if you're interested, I can post that script tomorrow (it's on my work box right now) |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | Invalid mount option set: dir_index |
| [08:25:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it's not a mount option |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | capital O |
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| [08:26:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, oops, I forgot |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | you're fired. |
| [08:26:00] | ** kormoc hangs his head and walks out the door sadly ** | |
| [08:27:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, man tune2fs has a little bit about the different features. I've been told filetype can speed up certain file ops (find) a lot, but can also eat up inodes a lot |
| [08:28:00] | ** d3ity sighs ** | |
| [08:28:00] | Cardoe: | how can we see what's turned on? |
| [08:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, dir_index was actually a ext2 feature that when ext3 rolled out, it was a bit flacky. It was fixed early in the 2.6.x kernels and recently decided that it was stable enough for RHEL and other big names to use it. |
| [08:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, one sec... |
| [08:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, tune2fs -l /dev/xxx |
| [08:29:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Thanks for the info, btw. |
| [08:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, the filesystem feature: line is the one you want to look at |
| [08:29:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, not a problem. |
| [08:33:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, you can turn on dir_indexes on a live filesystem with debugfs if you really trust it, btw |
| [08:34:00] | Cardoe: | I have filetype on already |
| [08:34:00] | Cardoe: | it got turned on automatically |
| [08:34:00] | kormoc: | ahh, coolness |
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| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | /dev/mapper/main-music |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | 8.9G 4.5G 4.0G 53% /media/music |
| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | wastes some space... |
| [08:37:00] | kormoc: | yeah. |
| [08:37:00] | kormoc: | but here, I had a local copy of the speed test if you want it |
| [08:37:00] | GTswagger: | Cardoe — is #gentoo-mythtv always so lonely? I felt I could fire a shotgun in there the last few months and not stir a soul. |
| [08:38:00] | ** kormoc is running it locally so he has some stats to show in a few min ** | |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | GTswagger: yep |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | I haven't had time lately. |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | and also on that note |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | I'm off to bed |
| [08:38:00] | GTswagger: | You can't go to bed yet |
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| [08:39:00] | GTswagger: | What about the screaming hordes on the gentoo chan that need help? ;) |
| [08:39:00] | NightMonkey: | GTswagger: It could be worse. It is pitiful to watch people try to get help in #ivtv-dev. ;) |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | your broken myth gallery |
| [08:39:00] | GTswagger: | yikes! |
| [08:39:00] | GTswagger: | Cardoe – lol – I fixed it by the way |
| [08:39:00] | GTswagger: | well – I didn't fix it per se |
| [08:40:00] | GTswagger: | I removed the broken portion |
| [08:40:00] | GTswagger: | USE="-opengl" emerge mythgallery |
| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | I'll have to look into that. |
| [08:40:00] | GTswagger: | OpenGL is hosed on mythmusic and mythgallery :( |
| [08:40:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, touching 100,000 files without dir_index takes 38 minutes, with dir_index, it takes 11 seconds. |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | nice |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it's handy to have enabled :) |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | I'll take a look in th emorning |
| [08:41:00] | GTswagger: | Cardoe – I'll file a bug report tomorrow |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | I'll seeya guys later |
| [08:41:00] | GTswagger: | Cardoe – already filed one on ffmpeg |
| [08:41:00] | Cardoe: | GTswagger: ok cool |
| [08:41:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [08:42:00] | GTswagger: | I can't get nuvexport to work with >ffmpeg-0.4.9-20040226-r5 |
| [08:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Cardoe: Nite. Happy kwanza. ;) |
| [08:42:00] | GTswagger: | go figure |
| [08:42:00] | GTswagger: | later cardoe |
| [08:42:00] | kormoc: | http://kormoc.homelinux.org/dirindexspeedtest.sh |
| [08:42:00] | kormoc: | chmod +x it and run it as root and wait awhile, and you can see the speed difference |
| [08:43:00] | GTswagger: | kormoc — this a ext2 / ext3 enhancement or something? |
| [08:43:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Is that large filesystem issue in LVM2 still extant in the latest vanilla kernel? |
| [08:43:00] | kormoc: | GTswagger, ext3 enhancement aye |
| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | NightBird, with ext3? I beleive so, it was as of 2.6.14 for sure. |
| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | erm, that was to NightMonkey |
| [08:44:00] | NightMonkey: | heh |
| [08:44:00] | ** GTswagger uses ReiserFS on 3 desktops, 2 laptops, and a production server ** | |
| [08:44:00] | NightMonkey: | Happens all the time. :) |
| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | GTswagger, heh, fair nuff, but Reiser has it's own set of issues :P |
| [08:44:00] | GTswagger: | I've found Reiser is very fast, efficient, and reliable... and as long as you don't need quotas or a dirty/unstable quota hack... does the job nicely |
| [08:45:00] | kormoc: | GTswagger, and it happens a lot of them tend to be related to recovery of data, which is when issues suck the most :P |
| [08:45:00] | ** d3ity sighs ** | |
| [08:45:00] | GTswagger: | The important data I have on a RAID 1 set :) |
| [08:45:00] | kormoc: | smart man :) |
| [08:45:00] | GTswagger: | Now if you really wanna talk about data recovery disaster |
| [08:45:00] | GTswagger: | Obliterate a file on a Macintosh |
| [08:46:00] | GTswagger: | To quote the Apple commercial parody.... |
| [08:46:00] | GTswagger: | "You run to the store... buy a copy of Norton.... install it... just for Norton to go..." |
| [08:46:00] | NightMonkey: | GTswagger: That might not save you if it is a filesystem code bug (rather than a hardware failure). Your RAID system will just blythely write the "bad" data to both disks. Just FYI. |
| [08:46:00] | GTswagger: | "YOU IDIOT!! YOU OWN A MACINTOSH!! THE FILE IS ****ING GONE!!!" |
| [08:47:00] | kormoc: | it's impossable on ext3 to undelete a file, to deal with the journal, it zeros out on deletes |
| [08:47:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, yeah. I've been looking into making block level diffs of filesystems, so I can just go backwards. |
| [08:47:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Snapshot, in other words? |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | yeah, but at a much lower level |
| [08:48:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Wow, you're a true filesystem hacker. ;) |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | nah, just for fun mostly :) |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | you see, there's these boxes called SANform that do that, only really cool |
| [08:48:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Like I said... :) |
| [08:48:00] | GTswagger: | kormoc — hack me up the following |
| [08:49:00] | quicksilver: | someone explain to me how tuning is supposed to work with analog channels? Does the driver layer (ivtv/bttv) handling the tuning and myth just picks it up? |
| [08:49:00] | GTswagger: | Reliability / data recovery of ext2 |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | block level file system diffs over inet and stuff, as well as true per file revision control |
| [08:49:00] | NightMonkey: | Hmm... SANform... time to go a-Googling |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | and I've just been playing with the basic concepts of how it works, it's nice |
| [08:49:00] | GTswagger: | Efficiency and journaling of ReiserFS |
| [08:49:00] | GTswagger: | Speed of large files of XFS |
| [08:49:00] | GTswagger: | And we'll be in buisness |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | quicksilver, yeah, myth requrests a freq or a channel, and ivtv tunes to it |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | GTswagger, indeed :) |
| [08:50:00] | kormoc: | GTswagger, I'll get right on that. |
| [08:50:00] | quicksilver: | kormoc: right, thanks |
| [08:50:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Could something like intermezzo/lustre do that sort of thing for you? |
| [08:50:00] | GTswagger: | good deal |
| [08:50:00] | ** GTswagger props feet up ** | |
| [08:50:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, SANform are awesome, but just really costly. |
| [08:50:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [08:50:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I see that... |
| [08:51:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, I've actually never heard of eather of the two you mentioned. They might very well be able to, but I've only recently found out some details of what SANform does. |
| [08:51:00] | quicksilver: | is saa7134 ivtv based or bttv based? |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, funny enough, the first hit for sanform is the company I work for :) |
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| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | quicksilver, likely bttv, but you'd have to google |
| [08:53:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Wow, then you don't need to pay to play, then. |
| [08:53:00] | kormoc: | heh, yeah, I would, as I'm just a coder, not a prod dev guy or anything :) |
| [08:54:00] | kormoc: | InterMezzo looks cool. I'm gonna have to check it out more in depth |
| [08:54:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: InterSync, built on top of InterMezzo, is designed to do snapshotting – however, it appears that development has stalled. |
| [08:55:00] | quicksilver: | kormoc: thanks |
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| [08:55:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: RedHat's Global File System might also be of interest: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/gfs_overview/ |
| [08:56:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Search in the page for "snapshot". |
| [08:56:00] | kormoc: | ooh! niceness :) |
| [08:57:00] | kormoc: | Lots of research for the long weekend! |
| [08:57:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I *think* RH might have just Open Source'd it, but I need to find that link... I might be confusing it with another RH press release. ;) |
| [08:58:00] | kormoc: | heh, yeah. I have a friend at RH who can tell me if it is or not as well |
| [08:58:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Found it. It is. |
| [08:58:00] | jasta: | hi kormoc |
| [08:58:00] | kormoc: | jasta, hihi |
| [08:58:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ |
| [08:59:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I was doing some research on it and iSCSI. Looks neat. |
| [08:59:00] | kormoc: | iSCSI is quite cool indeed |
| [08:59:00] | kormoc: | I really love learning bout all this high end stuff, it's so very cool :) |
| [08:59:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I need to get a Gib switch to do some real experimenting. |
| [09:00:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [09:00:00] | NightMonkey: | GigE, that is. |
| [09:00:00] | ** jasta just installed one :) ** | |
| [09:00:00] | kormoc: | I do a lot of my playing with loopback filesystems, as it's easer to setup and destroy when I'm done :) |
| [09:00:00] | NightMonkey: | Somehow I think experimenting on 100BT might be underwhelming. |
| [09:00:00] | jasta: | got a 900GB software RAID5 setup, with gigabit eth to the fileserver :) |
| [09:00:00] | quicksilver: | kormoc: oh, it's neither. It seems saa7134 is a whole separate driver family. |
| [09:00:00] | NightMonkey: | jasta: Nice. |
| [09:01:00] | NightMonkey: | jasta: What's your GigE switch? |
| [09:01:00] | jasta: | id love to stay and chat, but i gotta get up early |
| [09:01:00] | jasta: | tty folks later |
| [09:01:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [09:01:00] | NightMonkey: | doh |
| [09:01:00] | kormoc: | I should head to bed too |
| [09:01:00] | NightMonkey: | jasta: Nite. |
| [09:01:00] | kormoc: | nighty folks |
| [09:02:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Nite. Nice chatting! |
| [09:02:00] | kormoc: | ya, nice talking with ya as well |
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| [09:13:00] | quicksilver: | argh |
| [09:13:00] | quicksilver: | I can't work this out |
| [09:13:00] | quicksilver: | I have digital TV working fine on card 0 |
| [09:14:00] | quicksilver: | I'm trying to set up analog on car d1 |
| [09:14:00] | quicksilver: | it works fine in xawtv |
| [09:15:00] | quicksilver: | but myth doesn't seem to know what channels there are for it |
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| [09:32:00] | d3ity: | hrm |
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| [09:54:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | whats some kind of device i can use to get myth to send ir codes to a device in another room... some kind of IR blaster or something |
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| [10:52:00] | Peit|home: | has anyone here seen playback corruption like http://gallery.moreyc.me.uk/Misc/IMG_3830.JPG before? preview is fine, but playback goes a bit wierd, mplayer is playing videos back with xv, |
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| [11:31:00] | dagfinnr: | hello, anyone seen juski lately? |
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| [11:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't see him on last night, but he was here the night before |
| [11:40:00] | dagfinnr: | k |
| [11:41:00] | dagfinnr: | he has the epia m10k too..have a few questions for him |
| [11:43:00] | dagfinnr: | but theres something you ppl may be able to help me with .. when after i boot to x/kde i have to enter a rootpassword for mythbackend -session [something] to run..i dont think this have anything to do with the starting of mythbackend, as if i cancel this the backend runs perfect ..and the gaim messenger runs autmatically too..how can i turn this off ? |
| [11:43:00] | dagfinnr: | i imagine this would be very annoying when using only a tv and a remote control .. |
| [11:44:00] | Peit|home: | dagfinnr: do you have playback working on your epia? |
| [11:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | dagfinnr: Why not just launch the backend from an init script as root? No password needed |
| [11:45:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah, depends what you mean with playback,everything works fine here..play recordings etc..after theyre transcoded i have to enable timestretch 1.05x to get rid of some green stuff on the screen for some weird reason |
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| [11:46:00] | dagfinnr: | GreyFoxx, i do that, i imagine that that backend session stuff requiring a pass i something old x have saved to boot, along with auto start of gaim? |
| [11:46:00] | Peit|home: | dagfinnr: have you seen any corruption on the output? (mine turns everything into diagonal bands of colour), |
| [11:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | dagfinnr: It must be something KDE is going, I wouldn't know where to look to disable that since I don |
| [11:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | 't use KDE |
| [11:47:00] | dagfinnr: | Peit|home, sometimes when the singal is bad (i have a temp solutions with some weird connections of the antenna, gets fucked up if i move it, then i see some lines, but it stabilizes after some secounds .. |
| [11:48:00] | dagfinnr: | GreyFoxx, yeah, i think so too..what are you running then? |
| [11:48:00] | Peit|home: | so nothing http://gallery.moreyc.me.uk/Misc/IMG_3830.JPG ? |
| [11:48:00] | Peit|home: | what driver/X version are ou using? |
| [11:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | IceWM. KDE is a waste of memory and CPU for a dedicated myth box |
| [11:49:00] | dagfinnr: | Peit|home, nothing like that ... i get a decent picture altho my antenna is fucked up atm.. (just temp antenna to verify everything is working)..i use the stuff from http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia/ |
| [11:50:00] | dagfinnr: | but when i try to use the tvout, it become black and white when it enters x, before this (bios/startup) its color..so i tried to install the updated x stuff..gonna try a reboot soon |
| [11:50:00] | dagfinnr: | just have to finish a recording |
| [11:50:00] | Peit|home: | hmm, looks like unichrome and other stuff has been incorporated in mainstream X, perhaps i should see if there's an update |
| [11:51:00] | dagfinnr: | Peit|home, do you have settings for your tvout and stuff in x/kde/whatever ? |
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| [11:51:00] | dagfinnr: | im really new to this, so i actually dont know what drivers i have installed, all i know is that it works :ÅP |
| [11:52:00] | dagfinnr: | but im gonna reboot now, hope it doesnt fuck everything up |
| [11:52:00] | dagfinnr: | keep you fingers crossed ..lol |
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| [11:57:00] | cmt: | anyone know if theres a way to run my xbox through an input on my tv card and use it in mythtv without a delay |
| [11:57:00] | dagfinnr: | hello again |
| [11:58:00] | dagfinnr: | Peit|home, do you use tv-out on epia m10k? |
| [11:58:00] | cmt: | hello |
| [11:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | cmt: Not if Myth is recording it |
| [11:58:00] | dagfinnr: | or do you use the vga part? |
| [11:58:00] | Peit|home: | I don't at the momne,t butI have done |
| [11:58:00] | dagfinnr: | do you have any options for the tvout part in x? |
| [11:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | But if you have one of the older framegrabber cards you could add an icon to launch another app that doesn't use compression like xawtv |
| [11:58:00] | Peit|home: | i had the machine away for a new mobo and i think i lost a lot of working config before i moved it |
| [11:58:00] | cmt: | GreyFoxx: theres no way to do a passthrough or anything? in other words not have it record, just display it |
| [11:58:00] | dagfinnr: | / where do i find it? |
| [11:59:00] | Peit|home: | um, unichrome.sourceforge.net i think had one |
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| [11:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | cmt: Not with myth no, but as I mentioned you could (assuming you have one of the software cards) use an external app for game playing |
| [11:59:00] | cmt: | dagflnnr: check out jarrod's fedora docs... it has a lot of good info, even if you arent using fedora |
| [11:59:00] | cmt: | greyfoxx: i wonder if theres a way to have mythtv call that external app... like they call mplayer or xine |
| [12:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | cmt: Just edit the theme to add the menu option for it |
| [12:00:00] | cmt: | hmmm, sounds plausible |
| [12:00:00] | cmt: | cool |
| [12:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | then when you want to play games use that one |
| [12:00:00] | dagfinnr: | cmt, im using fedora :) |
| [12:00:00] | cmt: | thanks |
| [12:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | cmt: But if you have a hardware encoding card it wont be so easy :) |
| [12:01:00] | cmt: | dagfinnr, ahhhh |
| [12:01:00] | dagfinnr: | is there a big difference between fc2/3 and fc4? i found some neat rpms for fc2/3 |
| [12:02:00] | cmt: | you can probably get away with it |
| [12:02:00] | cmt: | what rpms are they? |
| [12:02:00] | cmt: | i actually have a fc3 yum archive added on my box... i think dag's archive |
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| [12:36:00] | corpix: | hi |
| [12:36:00] | corpix: | i got this one: 0000:05:06.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02) |
| [12:37:00] | corpix: | i tried to install mythtv* using apt, but this happened: |
| [12:37:00] | corpix: | Richte mythtv-database ein (0.18.1–6) ... |
| [12:37:00] | corpix: | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| [12:37:00] | corpix: | any ideas ? |
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| [13:25:00] | danieldk: | corpix: are u using debian |
| [13:27:00] | corpix: | yep |
| [13:27:00] | corpix: | kanotix |
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| [13:28:00] | corpix: | i think i fixed that, root had no mysql password (this should have been done by the apt postscripts |
| [13:28:00] | corpix: | but another problem now: |
| [13:29:00] | corpix: | i tried to configure my video source, but tv_grab_de_tvtoday doesnt exist |
| [13:29:00] | corpix: | i got this one: http://membled.com/bin/tv_grab_de_tvtoday and put it in $PATH |
| [13:30:00] | danieldk: | corpix: apt-get install xmltv |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | now this perl script fails to compile |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | hmm, alot packages |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | ok |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | well, while these ones are downloading, ... |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | how about LIRC on 2.6.14* |
| [13:30:00] | corpix: | ? |
| [13:31:00] | corpix: | the modules wont compile |
| [13:31:00] | danieldk: | corpix: i just used apt-get install lirc :-D |
| [13:32:00] | danieldk: | apt is your friend |
| [13:32:00] | corpix: | i apt-got this one, but i think i still need kernel modules ? |
| [13:32:00] | corpix: | no ? |
| [13:32:00] | danieldk: | hmmm idunno – apt should get everything you need |
| [13:33:00] | corpix: | hmm |
| [13:34:00] | corpix: | hmm, tv_grab_de_tvtoday fails http://pastebin.com/476570 |
| [13:34:00] | danieldk: | if you want to compile lirc u should do a apt-get dep lirc |
| [13:34:00] | beavis: | <-- kanotix too |
| [13:35:00] | corpix: | beavis: kannst dir mal den pastebin anschauen, irgendwas zickt da rum |
| [13:35:00] | beavis: | go to the german channel #mythtv-de |
| [13:35:00] | danieldk: | corpix: you should run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user |
| [13:35:00] | corpix: | danieldk: i did |
| [13:36:00] | corpix: | i cant mythfilldb --manual |
| [13:37:00] | beavis: | you don't need mythfilldb when you use a dvb card |
| [13:37:00] | corpix: | oh |
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| [13:41:00] | Juski: | 'afternoon |
| [13:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yo |
| [13:42:00] | Juski: | yo? you down wit da kidz now ? ;) |
| [13:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been saying "Yo" as a greeting for around 15 years. I was a kid at the time :) |
| [13:42:00] | Juski: | heh |
| [13:43:00] | Juski: | just popped in to kill some time while I wait for the xmas journey CDs I'm burning to finish |
| [13:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I woke up this morning and I lost my voice.... being sick sucks |
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| [13:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I came to work anyway cause I like to punish myself |
| [13:44:00] | Juski: | no carolling for you then, GreyFoxx, but being sick at this time of year sucks bad |
| [13:45:00] | Juski: | bad at any time, but at _this_ time.. ugh |
| [13:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [13:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Oh well, now I have a valid excuse for not talking to the people I don't care to talk to :) |
| [13:46:00] | Juski: | had 'flu at new years once.. was DJing, aided by a flask of coffee.. miserable |
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| [13:47:00] | Juski: | hmm I think this trip calls for some Bob Rivers |
| [13:47:00] | Juski: | :) |
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| [13:53:00] | Juski: | and.. some Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson too: "hey santa claus you c".. |
| [14:02:00] | Cromz: | no caroling for you.. but who is caroling? and is she cute? ;) |
| [14:04:00] | Cromz: | GreyFoxx, heh if I dont feel like talking to people.. I put my white-out contacts in.. it bothers them and they dont even try to talk to me ;) |
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| [14:05:00] | Cromz: | course funny thing. I find women like the contacts.. and the guys it just bothers them so they dont talk to me. ;) |
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| [14:11:00] | praet: | anyway to search the chat logs? |
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| [14:12:00] | Cromz: | praet, try google Beirdo and what your looking for. lol works for me sometimes. |
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| [14:13:00] | praet: | well im looking for the guy that had a problem with tv-out going greyscale |
| [14:13:00] | praet: | i just figured out the solution |
| [14:14:00] | Cromz: | [17:29] <Gumby> any rgb value seems to return a greyscale ... |
| [14:14:00] | Cromz: | that one? |
| [14:14:00] | praet: | he was using an s-vid to composit adapter, but probably in the config had output to s-video |
| [14:15:00] | praet: | [16:34] <quicksilver> ok this is weird. I got TV output working via S-video but it is all greyscale... |
| [14:15:00] | Beirdo: | MythLogBot: help |
| [14:15:00] | praet: | found it |
| [14:15:00] | Cromz: | heh kool :) |
| [14:17:00] | praet: | quicksilver if you are listening, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf make sure this is set to your final output type: Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE" or else your tv won't understand the svideo and you'll get greyscale :) |
| [14:18:00] | praet: | phew had to get that off my back |
| [14:18:00] | quicksilver: | praet: oh |
| [14:18:00] | quicksilver: | praet: hmmm |
| [14:18:00] | quicksilver: | well I bought a composite-s-video convertor from maplins |
| [14:18:00] | quicksilver: | and that did the trick |
| [14:18:00] | praet: | great.. you;re here |
| [14:18:00] | quicksilver: | are you sure the ATI drivers have a 'TVOutFormat' option? :) |
| [14:18:00] | praet: | well that works :) |
| [14:19:00] | quicksilver: | only cost a fiver anyhow |
| [14:19:00] | praet: | yeah i'm pretty sure it works for ati |
| [14:20:00] | quicksilver: | thing is the card only has an s-video socket on it |
| [14:20:00] | quicksilver: | or.. is it possible to send composite down the s-video wires? |
| [14:20:00] | praet: | yeah exactly.. you got that cheap converter right? |
| [14:20:00] | quicksilver: | there is much I don't understand about TV electrics |
| [14:20:00] | quicksilver: | yes, and it works |
| [14:20:00] | quicksilver: | all is colourful now :) |
| [14:21:00] | praet: | i mean a thin wire with s-video male to composite female |
| [14:21:00] | praet: | glad it works in any case, color is joy |
| [14:21:00] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [14:21:00] | quicksilver: | it's actually a tiny little double-female jobby |
| [14:22:00] | praet: | http://www.cablesdirect.com/prodimages/CSV1RCA_LR.jpg |
| [14:22:00] | quicksilver: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=28733 |
| [14:23:00] | praet: | thats the one i got with an older card and had the same problem |
| [14:23:00] | praet: | i think it was booting interactive mode in color, then as soon as x came up going to b/w |
| [14:24:00] | quicksilver: | hmm no even my BIOS boot was in B/W |
| [14:25:00] | praet: | now back to my ir blaser woes |
| [14:25:00] | praet: | s/blaser/blaster |
| [14:26:00] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [14:26:00] | quicksilver: | thanks for the help anyway! |
| [14:26:00] | Cromz: | praet, wut woes |
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| [14:26:00] | quicksilver: | For my next trick I have to get sound working for analog TV |
| [14:26:00] | quicksilver: | it works for digital... |
| [14:27:00] | praet: | anyone know how to test a serial port to make sure its working? or if there needs to be bios or mobo jumpers |
| [14:27:00] | praet: | Cromz ive got to set up an ACT-IR200L for a mate |
| [14:27:00] | quicksilver: | plug a computer into the other end of it? |
| [14:27:00] | praet: | the board has no serial com1, but i pull one out of another machine |
| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | if you have a cross-over cable |
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| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | (otherwise known as a 'null modem' cable) |
| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | or perhaps just plug a serial mouse into it if you have one of those... |
| [14:28:00] | praet: | hrmm yeah thats a good idea |
| [14:28:00] | praet: | will a serial mouse "Just work" |
| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | well what you can do is: |
| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | cat < /dev/ttyS0 |
| [14:28:00] | quicksilver: | in a window |
| [14:29:00] | quicksilver: | then move the mouse |
| [14:29:00] | quicksilver: | if it's working, you'll see garbage on the screen |
| [14:29:00] | praet: | man i have to try this right away |
| [14:29:00] | praet: | i wonder if he'll let me telnet in |
| [14:30:00] | praet: | quicksilver thats some quick thinking |
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| [14:30:00] | quicksilver: | glad to be of assistance |
| [14:30:00] | praet: | also, is there a way to throw an adaptor on the ltp and use that as a serial? |
| [14:30:00] | so_: | anyone know an Nvidia setting to get rid of this flickering with the OSD/Menu? |
| [14:30:00] | praet: | printer port > db9 |
| [14:30:00] | quicksilver: | well there do exist adapters |
| [14:30:00] | praet: | so_ are you deinterlacing playback? |
| [14:30:00] | quicksilver: | I have no clue how they work tho |
| [14:31:00] | so_: | Sorry, XVMC :) |
| [14:32:00] | so_: | praet, so no |
| [14:32:00] | praet: | did you enable the flicker filter in nvidia settings |
| [14:32:00] | \Grooby\_: | morning guys |
| [14:32:00] | jams: | hey Cromz |
| [14:32:00] | praet: | lo \Grooby\_ |
| [14:33:00] | \Grooby\_: | how's everyone doing on this Friday? almost xmas time too! |
| [14:33:00] | so_: | praet, the flicker filter has settings from 0 to 255, I have tried a number of settings inbetween |
| [14:33:00] | praet: | anyone drinking yet? |
| [14:34:00] | so_: | drinking what? :) |
| [14:34:00] | \Grooby\_: | started last night |
| [14:34:00] | so_: | coffee yes |
| [14:34:00] | \Grooby\_: | have to take a break |
| [14:35:00] | so_: | dman you liver...keep up! |
| [14:35:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehehehe |
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| [14:35:00] | Cromz: | hey'ya jams :) |
| [14:35:00] | ** Juski is finished doing a piss-take techno xmas mix ** | |
| [14:36:00] | Juski: | it's so awful I reckon people in my home town will love it |
| [14:36:00] | \Grooby\_: | <---- wants to ask for a dual core cpu for his xmas...... |
| [14:36:00] | \Grooby\_: | :( |
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| [14:37:00] | Juski: | why stop at just one dual core cpu? :-D |
| [14:37:00] | so_: | the reason I'm using xvmc is it's a Celeron 1000 :) What I could do with even a recent CPU in that box :) |
| [14:37:00] | \Grooby\_: | lol |
| [14:37:00] | \Grooby\_: | the $$$ stop me |
| [14:37:00] | so_: | DUAL-dual-core! |
| [14:37:00] | \Grooby\_: | :) |
| [14:38:00] | \Grooby\_: | let me go sell another pint of my blood |
| [14:38:00] | \Grooby\_: | for about 400 times |
| [14:38:00] | \Grooby\_: | then I can get the quad-core |
| [14:38:00] | \Grooby\_: | :P |
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| [14:40:00] | Juski: | \Grooby\_: pity you don't have oil in yer bloodstream – I hear it's worth even more than blood |
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| [14:40:00] | praet: | anyone using the ACT-IR200L successfully? |
| [14:40:00] | \Grooby\_: | lol |
| [14:40:00] | \Grooby\_: | how much pint are in a barrel? |
| [14:40:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehehehe |
| [14:41:00] | \Grooby\_: | how many pint |
| [14:41:00] | \Grooby\_: | sheesh..i can't even speak english |
| [14:41:00] | Juski: | drink some more, Grooby |
| [14:41:00] | \Grooby\_: | lol |
| [14:41:00] | so_: | I dunno, keep drinking need to thin the blood out a bit first |
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| [14:43:00] | praet: | 1 US gallon = 8 US pints 1 barrel = 42 gallons |
| [14:43:00] | Krazylegz: | A barrel is 288 pints. |
| [14:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, yeah. praet was getting there. |
| [14:43:00] | praet: | ahaha |
| [14:43:00] | quicksilver: | ok, who understand analog tuner cards? To get sound am I going to have to take the wire across from the card to some input on my MB? |
| [14:43:00] | \Grooby\_: | welp....even if I produce oil..it'll still take a while |
| [14:43:00] | Juski: | syphon that hobo, Groobster |
| [14:43:00] | quicksilver: | or can I persuade it to send the sound down the PCI bus? |
| [14:43:00] | praet: | a barrel is 31 to 42 gallons |
| [14:44:00] | praet: | morning Krazylegz |
| [14:44:00] | praet: | quicksilver what card is it? |
| [14:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Morning. |
| [14:45:00] | quicksilver: | praet: it's a compro videomate DVB-T300 |
| [14:45:00] | quicksilver: | praet: which is a saa7134 chip |
| [14:45:00] | quicksilver: | digital TV has sound no problem |
| [14:45:00] | quicksilver: | but analog TV has no sound :) |
| [14:45:00] | \Grooby\_: | aight peeps, gonna go drop some kids off at the pool (core dumping) and shower (i know..TMI) |
| [14:45:00] | \Grooby\_: | have a wonderful friday |
| [14:46:00] | praet: | same to you \Grooby\_ |
| [14:46:00] | Juski: | quicksilver: does it have an audio line out? if it does, I suspect you can't capture sound over PCI |
| [14:46:00] | praet: | Analog video/audio capture |
| [14:46:00] | praet: | audio line in |
| [14:46:00] | quicksilver: | so with digital the sound is in the mpeg stream? |
| [14:46:00] | Juski: | yep |
| [14:46:00] | quicksilver: | but with analog it's handled quite separately |
| [14:47:00] | quicksilver: | ? |
| [14:47:00] | Juski: | kinda inseperable |
| [14:47:00] | quicksilver: | so I shuold attach it to the 'CDROM sound' header on my M/B? |
| [14:47:00] | praet: | well could you capture analog tv and analog audio |
| [14:47:00] | quicksilver: | I can capture analog TV fine |
| [14:47:00] | quicksilver: | I recorded the simpsons, even |
| [14:47:00] | quicksilver: | but with no sound :) |
| [14:48:00] | Juski: | quicksilver: I presume you'll need to attach an audio cable to your soundcard (of some sort) from the tuner |
| [14:48:00] | quicksilver: | Juski: I'm using on-motherboard sound atm |
| [14:48:00] | quicksilver: | Juski: I think the MB has a header designed for audio from CDrom |
| [14:48:00] | praet: | where is your audio input coming from? |
| [14:48:00] | quicksilver: | praet: ? |
| [14:48:00] | quicksilver: | nowhere, at present, I suppose ;) |
| [14:48:00] | quicksilver: | since it doesn't work... |
| [14:49:00] | praet: | like from a cable box? |
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| [14:49:00] | quicksilver: | oh I see |
| [14:49:00] | quicksilver: | no, this is broadcast analog VHF |
| [14:49:00] | Juski: | doesn't look like it grabs analogue audio itself |
| [14:49:00] | quicksilver: | old-fashioned TV |
| [14:49:00] | so_: | POTV? :) |
| [14:49:00] | quicksilver: | I wonder if I can 'daisychain' my CD-rom and both tuner cards |
| [14:49:00] | Juski: | saying that I thought the saa chip did that.. but anyway... |
| [14:49:00] | quicksilver: | joining the audio from each one to the next... |
| [14:50:00] | Juski: | ugh |
| [14:50:00] | Juski: | if you can't grab sound over the PCI bus you'll need another soundcard |
| [14:50:00] | quicksilver: | hrmph |
| [14:50:00] | Juski: | otherwise you can't record audio independently from each tuner |
| [14:50:00] | quicksilver: | yes, good point |
| [14:50:00] | quicksilver: | that would suck :( |
| [14:51:00] | Juski: | you could still grab it from both but it'd be mixed |
| [14:51:00] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [14:51:00] | praet: | Audio in (Mini-DIN stereo) |
| [14:51:00] | quicksilver: | currently I'm using one card in analog mode and one in digital mode |
| [14:51:00] | quicksilver: | there's just two channels which I can't pick up on DVB (dodgy reception) but I can get them on analog |
| [14:52:00] | Juski: | hey quicksilver: quote from a wiki I found: |
| [14:52:00] | Juski: | "If you want to use the board's mixer device, make sure you pass oss=1 when loading the module. This will register /dev/dsp1 and /dev/mixer1. You can change the dsp and mixer number by passing dsp_nr=x and mixer_nr=x when loading the module as well." |
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| [14:53:00] | Juski: | they're talking about the saa7134 module btw |
| [14:53:00] | quicksilver: | Juski: ah nice work |
| [14:53:00] | Juski: | 2 seconds googling |
| [14:53:00] | Juski: | saa7134 audio linux |
| [14:53:00] | quicksilver: | is /dev/dsp an input device or an output device? |
| [14:53:00] | Juski: | can be either |
| [14:53:00] | Juski: | I think |
| [14:54:00] | Juski: | audio codec, so I presume so |
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| [14:54:00] | Juski: | (it's an) |
| [14:54:00] | quicksilver: | cool |
| [14:54:00] | Juski: | but I doubt they have the audio outs available |
| [14:54:00] | Juski: | if indeed there are any |
| [14:55:00] | Juski: | one more CD to do & then it's time to pack for my journey |
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| [14:56:00] | quicksilver: | Juski: ah right I found that, on the gentoo wiki? nice |
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| [14:57:00] | Juski: | see gentoo has its uses ;) |
| [14:57:00] | quicksilver: | I don't modprobe by hand, my 2.6 kernel does it automatically at startup time |
| [14:57:00] | quicksilver: | how do I add paramters in that case? |
| [14:59:00] | stuarta: | quicksilver: module options are set in /etc/modprobe.conf (fc4) or similar |
| [15:00:00] | praet: | Juski you put any self made racks on the cd? |
| [15:00:00] | praet: | tracks |
| [15:01:00] | quicksilver: | stuarta: thanks |
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| [15:02:00] | Juski: | praet: nope – just a bunch of compilations. but I've done a funny techno xmas mix thing |
| [15:02:00] | Juski: | it'll get played in my home town on xmas eve tho |
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| [15:03:00] | ** stuarta tries to look busy... ** | |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh my office is dead today |
| [15:06:00] | quicksilver: | hmm it's not working |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | so I'm taking the time to reinstall my desktop :) |
| [15:06:00] | quicksilver: | it doesn't complain about the option oss=1 |
| [15:06:00] | quicksilver: | but neither does it create a /dev/dsp1 |
| [15:06:00] | praet: | same here GreyFoxx not even enough spam to check through |
| [15:06:00] | ** quicksilver digs deepr ** | |
| [15:07:00] | praet: | ls /dev/dsp? |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | praet: I'm only hanging out til this is done, then I'm going shopping |
| [15:07:00] | quicksilver: | well all the nodes are actually there |
| [15:07:00] | quicksilver: | but cat < /dev/dsp1 says 'no such device' |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been meaning to reinstall for a while and this is a perfect oppurtunity |
| [15:07:00] | quicksilver: | cat < /dev/dsp works, but that's my sound card :) |
| [15:08:00] | Juski: | tiiiime to pack |
| [15:08:00] | praet: | GreyFoxx what distro? |
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| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Slackware 10.2 |
| [15:11:00] | praet: | ack go for knoppix livecd and go home ;) |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh, no :) |
| [15:11:00] | stuarta: | I'm trying to find time to go from Debian to Ubuntu |
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| [15:15:00] | quicksilver: | ah! |
| [15:16:00] | quicksilver: | there's a saa7134-alas now |
| [15:16:00] | quicksilver: | alsa |
| [15:17:00] | Juski: | alas poor saa7134 |
| [15:17:00] | Juski: | ;) |
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| [15:18:00] | Juski: | right it's time to skedaddle. see yous after xmas. have a good 'un folks |
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| [15:23:00] | PickleS: | hi folks, i have an old avermedia usb analog tv card (box), model: m026, can't find linux support for it, so before i give up thought i'd ask here. Anyone used it? |
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| [15:56:00] | dagfinnr: | hello ppl |
| [15:56:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone using the via m10k online? |
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| [15:57:00] | PickleS: | dagfinnr: nadaa here |
| [15:57:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | dagfinnr: I have been |
| [15:57:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | in the past |
| [16:00:00] | dagfinnr: | what video drivers did you use hackmiester[LT] ? |
| [16:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | ati |
| [16:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | interestingly enough |
| [16:02:00] | dagfinnr: | huh |
| [16:02:00] | dagfinnr: | and you were using the built in card? |
| [16:02:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh, yeah |
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| [16:02:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | i don't get it either |
| [16:02:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | Fedora detected ati, but when I changed it the video quit working |
| [16:03:00] | dagfinnr: | hm |
| [16:03:00] | dagfinnr: | strange |
| [16:03:00] | dagfinnr: | did you use the tvout part too? |
| [16:03:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | no. |
| [16:03:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | well it worked |
| [16:03:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I just didn't use it |
| [16:03:00] | dagfinnr: | im using that now, but have troubles with the interlancing thing..the image hops around..not in myth tho.but in the other programs |
| [16:04:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | hrm |
| [16:04:00] | kslater: | dagfinnr: i use a via epia m9k |
| [16:04:00] | kslater: | have for years |
| [16:05:00] | kslater: | family couldn't live without that box, they've all forgotten how to use a vcr for crying out loud |
| [16:05:00] | dagfinnr: | hehe |
| [16:05:00] | dagfinnr: | kslater, do the m9k have the cle266 chipset? |
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| [16:06:00] | kslater: | yes |
| [16:06:00] | dagfinnr: | what videodrivers do you use? |
| [16:07:00] | kslater: | hrm. |
| [16:07:00] | kslater: | have to think about that |
| [16:07:00] | kslater: | I think I'm running via's drivers on a modified rh9 install |
| [16:07:00] | dagfinnr: | do you have an option in x/kde to modify the tvout settings? |
| [16:07:00] | dagfinnr: | or do you have to mess with it manually in xorg.conf? |
| [16:08:00] | kslater: | i've had to tweak it a little in x86conf. but I'm not happy with how it is. I'm just too lazy to upgrade the box. |
| [16:08:00] | kslater: | I have a HD tv and it doesn't take advantage of that at all. |
| [16:09:00] | kslater: | I mean for the linux desktop, not myth itself |
| [16:09:00] | dagfinnr: | ah |
| [16:09:00] | dagfinnr: | brb |
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| [16:11:00] | dagfinnr: | kslater, so you use the drivers made by via? |
| [16:11:00] | dagfinnr: | what sort of deinterlance stuff do you use? or do you use the vga-output? |
| [16:12:00] | kslater: | i do use the via drivers, but their older since the mate up with rh9. (binary) |
| [16:12:00] | kslater: | the deinterlace stuff – not sure on that – I use the svideo out on the card to hit the tv |
| [16:13:00] | dagfinnr: | k |
| [16:13:00] | kslater: | probably could do better with the vga out and converting it to an input the HD tv could take |
| [16:13:00] | dagfinnr: | yeah |
| [16:13:00] | dagfinnr: | restarting the x server..brb |
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| [16:22:00] | ** hackmiester[LT] uses Fedora Myth(tv)ology this time ** | |
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| [16:33:00] | kslater: | my linux desktop is overscanned and doesn't fit right at 800x600 resolution. i think it's a limitation of the svideo signal. maybe. |
| [16:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | no |
| [16:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | don't believe so anyway |
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| [16:38:00] | DonLKSAB: | Hi |
| [16:38:00] | DonLKSAB: | Anyone know how to add filetypes in MythVideo? |
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| [16:45:00] | quicksilver: | anyone used an analog tuner which pumps its sound through /dev/dspN? |
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| [16:45:00] | quicksilver: | My card in analog mode puts its sound out on /dev/dsp1 |
| [16:45:00] | quicksilver: | it appears to work |
| [16:45:00] | quicksilver: | if I cat /dev/dsp1 > /dev/dsp I hear something |
| [16:46:00] | quicksilver: | although it's a bit low presumably sampling rate is wrong |
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| [16:46:00] | quicksilver: | but, even though I tell mythtv-setup that /dev/video0 goes together with /dev/dsp1 |
| [16:46:00] | quicksilver: | I get no sound :( |
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| [17:05:00] | praet: | well i just found all the tools i need, ltp to db9 convertors, serial mouse and a yet unidentified video capture card |
| [17:06:00] | quicksilver: | :) |
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| [17:12:00] | ol_schoola: | i got all my shopping... |
| [17:12:00] | ol_schoola: | ...except for me! |
| [17:12:00] | ol_schoola: | any recomendations on a mobo chip for combined FE/BE? |
| [17:12:00] | ol_schoola: | 2 hd50000's, 1 pvr350, nvidia 5200 out (my card) |
| [17:13:00] | so_: | ah |
| [17:13:00] | so_: | mb isn't too important, choose sound support maybe? |
| [17:13:00] | ol_schoola: | mobo and chip ... thinking amd64 and a Venice 3500 |
| [17:13:00] | ol_schoola: | have riviera, works like a charm |
| [17:13:00] | quicksilver: | what are common sampling rates? for sound |
| [17:13:00] | ol_schoola: | just seeing if anyone knew what's available now and works ok, |
| [17:14:00] | ol_schoola: | nforce3?, via? |
| [17:14:00] | so_: | quicksilver, 44khz 22khz 11khz 8khz....etc |
| [17:14:00] | ol_schoola: | i use the riv for digital out to my rcvr |
| [17:14:00] | so_: | I choose asus mobos almost exclusively :) |
| [17:15:00] | ol_schoola: | i'm just concerned about which chipsets have the least issues |
| [17:15:00] | quicksilver: | so_: hmm it seems to be 32 khz... |
| [17:15:00] | ol_schoola: | ...in the amd64 world, new to me |
| [17:15:00] | so_: | quicksilver, I think that's a standard rate too |
| [17:16:00] | so_: | 12-bit at 32khz, 48 at 16bit |
| [17:17:00] | ol_schoola: | looking at the Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 right now, just not familiar the 64 arch |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | so_: OK this is weird |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | If I run xawtv I don't get sound |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | but.. if I just run aplay -r 32000 /dev/dsp1 at the same time |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | I get perfect sound |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | so that's great |
| [17:18:00] | quicksilver: | but it doesn't work from inside myth :( |
| [17:19:00] | quicksilver: | although my settings for /dev/video0 say "audio device: /dev/dsp1" "Audio sampling rate: 32000" |
| [17:21:00] | quicksilver: | And I know the backend is reading from /dev/dsp1 |
| [17:21:00] | quicksilver: | 'fuser' confirms it |
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| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | !!! |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | v4lctl -c /dev/video0 volume mute off! |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | that fixed it |
| [17:28:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | HEH |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | but wtf? how was aplay working? |
| [17:28:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | mute would be a problem yeah |
| [17:28:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | might have been sucking the video through a sound card somehow |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | how come aplay could play the TV sound by myth couldn't without unmuting it specifically? |
| [17:28:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | *audi |
| [17:28:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | *audio |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | I'm not using my sound card |
| [17:28:00] | quicksilver: | well obviously I am for output |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | but I haven't connected the little wire across to the input |
| [17:29:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | that's what I'm saying... meh |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | the audio is coming down the PCI bus |
| [17:29:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | actually I don't know what I'm saying any more |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [17:29:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | so never mind |
| [17:29:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | from the video card? |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | well TV card |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | there is a wire you can connect, but I'm not |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | because juski pointed out that would suck |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | you couldn't record two things at once |
| [17:29:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | it could've been that aplay was unmuting when starting and remuting when quitting |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | (only one wire) |
| [17:29:00] | quicksilver: | hackmiester[LT]: yeah I think it must be that |
| [17:30:00] | quicksilver: | sutpid too-clever aplay |
| [17:31:00] | quicksilver: | well I'm writing this all down |
| [17:31:00] | quicksilver: | I'll put up a HOWTO in the new year |
| [17:31:00] | quicksilver: | I know we alreayd have 1million howtos... |
| [17:31:00] | quicksilver: | but everyone seems to hit different problems... |
| [17:32:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | yeah |
| [17:32:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I only hit one problem: when I tried to get mach64 tv out working |
| [17:32:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | that trashed my X irripairably |
| [17:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | so I ended up just reinstalling fedora and starting over |
| [17:33:00] | quicksilver: | I've hit more problems than I can count |
| [17:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | shit. |
| [17:33:00] | quicksilver: | I have pages of notes to type up :) |
| [17:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | and I wanted my laptop to be a frontend, but yum won't behave |
| [17:33:00] | quicksilver: | hardware problems, software problems, fleshware problems |
| [17:33:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | that's the only two so far |
| [17:34:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | yeah, I'm just following Fedora Myth(TV)ology |
| [17:34:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I might add in what my problems were and say it's a supplement |
| [17:34:00] | quicksilver: | well I'm UK, we have our own special xmltv problems |
| [17:34:00] | quicksilver: | that occupied me for a while |
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| [17:34:00] | quicksilver: | and I have a weird setup since I'm mostly digital, but there are a few channels that my digital reception isn't good enough for |
| [17:35:00] | quicksilver: | and am tuning those on analog.. |
| [17:35:00] | quicksilver: | my cards are both hybirds |
| [17:35:00] | frederik_: | anybody here from belgium that has mythtv working with the tv-guide ? |
| [17:35:00] | quicksilver: | but I don't *think* myth is clever enough to know about hybrids |
| [17:35:00] | quicksilver: | so I've told it one is digital and one is analog, for now |
| [17:36:00] | praet: | wow that card i found is a WinTV-PVR-pci |
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| [17:36:00] | praet: | one mans junk another mans treasure |
| [17:37:00] | quicksilver: | ain't that the truth |
| [17:37:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone tried building the unichrome drivers from unichrome.sourceforge.net for the via m10k board? |
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| [17:45:00] | so_: | I tried running my desktop PC as a frontend, but sipping the video through a 802.11b adapter wasn't cutting it :) |
| [17:45:00] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [17:45:00] | dagfinnr: | lol |
| [17:45:00] | quicksilver: | 802.11g is suppose to be good enough |
| [17:46:00] | quicksilver: | haven't tried yet |
| [17:46:00] | so_: | it's over and hour to download a 2.2g stream, 802.11b is pretty close |
| [17:46:00] | quicksilver: | I plan to try with the frontend on this iBook |
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| [17:48:00] | dagfinnr: | anyone using m10k mb here online now? |
| [17:48:00] | ivor: | dagfinnr: yup |
| [17:49:00] | ivor: | well m9k actually. but same difference. |
| [17:49:00] | dagfinnr: | do you have a working xorg.conf for me? :) |
| [17:49:00] | dagfinnr: | what video drivers do you use? |
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| [17:50:00] | dagfinnr: | ivor, |
| [17:51:00] | ivor: | dagfinnr: there's not much config to do... you just need to select via for device. |
| [17:51:00] | dagfinnr: | hm |
| [17:51:00] | dagfinnr: | well, ive done that |
| [17:51:00] | dagfinnr: | but then the tvout becomes black when starting x |
| [17:51:00] | dagfinnr: | works in the boot, till x loads |
| [17:52:00] | dagfinnr: | and ive found another working config,but then the cpu load is much higher, so i guess thats the wrong driver |
| [17:54:00] | dagfinnr: | what driver do you use ivor? |
| [17:54:00] | ivor: | openchrome.org |
| [17:55:00] | quicksilver: | ok stupid usability question |
| [17:55:00] | quicksilver: | in the programme guide 'R' means 'record this' |
| [17:55:00] | so_: | how much is an m10k can't find anyone who sells it around here |
| [17:55:00] | quicksilver: | what is the key for 'I've changed my mind, don't record this?' |
| [17:55:00] | so_: | d I think |
| [17:56:00] | so_: | I don't actually know I have a remote :) |
| [17:56:00] | so_: | but it's my red key which goes to the delete menu |
| [17:56:00] | dagfinnr: | ivor, cool, have not tried that one..did you build the driver yourself, or did you use a rpm? |
| [17:56:00] | ivor: | if you have an m10k then you might as well just use a recent version of xorg instead of building the drivers yourself. |
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| [17:57:00] | so_: | ah they are m13k now :) |
| [17:58:00] | dagfinnr: | ivor, how do i use a recent ver of xorg? |
| [17:58:00] | dagfinnr: | im a newbie to this..so pardon me if i come with some stupid questions |
| [17:58:00] | ivor: | what distro? |
| [17:58:00] | dagfinnr: | fedora fc4 |
| [17:58:00] | dagfinnr: | running kde in x |
| [17:59:00] | ivor: | oh for fc4 there should be binary openchome rpms linked off the openchrome.org site. |
| [17:59:00] | ivor: | although I'd have thought fc4 would have recent enough drivers in for you already. |
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| [17:59:00] | psofa: | whens the new release expected? |
| [17:59:00] | psofa: | i mean is it close? |
| [18:00:00] | dagfinnr: | well..maybe..but it for sure doesent work the way i want it to now :P |
| [18:00:00] | dagfinnr: | i have used the rpms the openchrome site is linking to |
| [18:00:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| [18:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | opso |
| [18:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | *oops |
| [18:02:00] | psofa: | is what the docs say about reiserfs beeing bad true? |
| [18:02:00] | ivor: | psofa: ymmv |
| [18:02:00] | ivor: | Ive never had problems |
| [18:03:00] | psofa: | using it as a storage for mythtv? |
| [18:03:00] | so_: | ivor, which rpms you using? http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia/ ? |
| [18:04:00] | so_: | make that dagfinnr |
| [18:05:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | HEH |
| [18:05:00] | dagfinnr: | so_, thats what ive done |
| [18:05:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | nevermind |
| [18:05:00] | so_: | bummer |
| [18:05:00] | so_: | this guy mentioned using CVS, but that was 5 months ago |
| [18:05:00] | so_: | http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/mythtv.html |
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| [18:08:00] | dagfinnr: | so_, yeah i could try with that xorg.conf and see how it goes |
| [18:08:00] | dagfinnr: | brb |
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| [18:26:00] | _willcooke_: | what does "no tables" mean when you do a dvb scan? |
| [18:28:00] | xris: | so_: it's esy enough to build packages from svn |
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| [18:28:00] | deebus: | hey beirdo, I have good news. and it has nothing to do with car insurance... |
| [18:29:00] | deebus: | remember how I was getting all frustrated for the passed two days with mythtv not working and all? |
| [18:30:00] | deebus: | well it turns out the pin in the coax cable leading into my cable splitter was bent |
| [18:30:00] | deebus: | so instead of looking like this: (- |
| [18:30:00] | deebus: | it looked like this: (/ |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | awesome ;) |
| [18:30:00] | deebus: | so it wasn't even in the splitter o_O |
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| [18:34:00] | deebus: | hey krazylegz, I just told everyone I fixed my mythtv problem |
| [18:35:00] | deebus: | the pin in the coax was bent. now it works. yay. |
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| [18:38:00] | deebus: | boy, I thought more people would be excited to hear that. oh well, I'm still happpy |
| [18:38:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | well actually I sorta am |
| [18:38:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | because I make that mistake a lot |
| [18:39:00] | so_: | deebus, gratz! :) |
| [18:39:00] | laga: | what's miester supposed to mean? |
| [18:39:00] | so_: | not so excited about bent pins, more excited about myth working |
| [18:40:00] | deebus: | heh. thanks everybody |
| [18:40:00] | deebus: | no one is home right now, so I can't share my joy with others, atm |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | deebus: no neighbours? |
| [18:41:00] | so_: | come see my cool tv thingy |
| [18:41:00] | deebus: | no, I don't like my neighbors |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | who does? ;) |
| [18:41:00] | so_: | and here have an eggnog |
| [18:41:00] | quicksilver: | yes please |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | eggnog *puke* |
| [18:41:00] | quicksilver: | can you make one for my wife too? |
| [18:41:00] | deebus: | they're all not very social. I'm polite and friendly when I see them, but they're all rude |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | deebus: you could be one of my neighbours. ;) |
| [18:41:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | laga: master, it's spelled wrong because hackmeister.com was taken |
| [18:42:00] | laga: | hackmiester[LT]: oh, ok. |
| [18:42:00] | deebus: | one guy even had his car stolen awhile ago, and I offered to give him a lift somewhere if he was ever stuck for transporation, and he just laughed and said "no, that's ok" |
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| [18:42:00] | deebus: | so I was thinking to myself "eff this guy. what a dick". but what I actually said was "ok, offer's on the table" |
| [18:43:00] | laga: | deebus: you're too polite. |
| [18:44:00] | deebus: | no, it's ok. it's their loss. if they don't want to be cordial with me, then they won't get the benefits of being my friend |
| [18:45:00] | deebus: | benefits like not shitting on their cars, not pissing on their front doors, etc... |
| [18:45:00] | laga: | hehe ;) |
| [18:45:00] | deebus: | my neighbors used to be really cool. then they moved out and these jerks moved in |
| [18:46:00] | deebus: | one neighbor had a friend that was an honest-to-goodness cowgirl. and she was *really* hot. it was awesome |
| [18:46:00] | laga: | cowgirl? where do you live? |
| [18:46:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh |
| [18:46:00] | deebus: | in a big city, but we're close enough to the country if we want to get away |
| [18:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | d3ity: wha wha what?? |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh whoops |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i was looking way up and not down here |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so this is out of context |
| [18:47:00] | deebus: | haha |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but... |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | said something about reiserfs not working with mythtv? |
| [18:47:00] | deebus: | but back to the hot cowgirl for a second... |
| [18:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | cause thats what im trying to use |
| [18:47:00] | deebus: | she was blonde |
| [18:47:00] | deebus: | about 5'5"-ish |
| [18:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hot cowgirl! heh i like this topic better |
| [18:48:00] | deebus: | and very, uh, healthy, we'll say |
| [18:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [18:48:00] | deebus: | her name was |
| [18:48:00] | deebus: | um |
| [18:48:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | OhNoNotHim: read the howto |
| [18:48:00] | deebus: | shit, hang on... |
| [18:48:00] | deebus: | her name was...I want to say "big-ass boobies", but I know that's not it... |
| [18:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hackmiester[LT]: does it expicitly say no reiserfs |
| [18:48:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | OhNoNotHim: with versions <= 3 the files get corrupted |
| [18:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [18:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i did the gentoo portage one |
| [18:49:00] | deebus: | sorry. I'm off topic. |
| [18:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | lemme see what that is |
| [18:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | deebus: np, i like "big-ass boobies" more than linux anyway ;-) |
| [18:49:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: you don't belong here then. ;)) |
| [18:50:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: you say that, but wait till you get some "big-ass boobies" in your face...you'll be saying genwho? ;-) |
| [18:50:00] | ** OhNoNotHim assumed you were using gentoo :-p ** | |
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| [18:50:00] | laga: | ubuwtf? ;) |
| [18:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [18:51:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | Fed...omg |
| [18:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | lol, my lazy ass is installing mythtv in his recliner through ssh |
| [18:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its* |
| [18:51:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | what a coincidence |
| [18:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | on second thought that probably should have been an emotion :-/ |
| [18:52:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | except my fingers are doing the installing |
| [18:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm... |
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| [18:52:00] | deebus: | yeah, so I forgot the cowgirl's name, but she was really hot, and came in for a drink one night |
| [18:52:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | and not my ass |
| [18:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | when i emerged mythtv i got "0.18.1-r1" |
| [18:52:00] | deebus: | but the story pretty much ends there. that's sad. |
| [18:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i take it thats an OLD version? |
| [18:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | deebus: harder liqour next time ;-) |
| [18:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | j/k |
| [18:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | also, i accidentally changed the theme back to the blue one |
| [18:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and im getting segfaults again |
| [18:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is there any config file i can edit |
| [18:54:00] | OhNoNotHim: | to set it to something else? |
| [18:54:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i downloaded the mythtv-themes ebuild(term?) |
| [18:54:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i emerged that :-p |
| [18:55:00] | OhNoNotHim: | mythtv isnt playing very nice, but i dont want to go get windows media center :-/ |
| [18:58:00] | deebus: | boy, it's great when everyone leaves town for the holidays...I'm getting crazy transfer rates on my cable modem right now :-P |
| [18:58:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [18:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | in y'alls mythtv opinion, should i just unmerge mythtv from gentoo, and just installing the newest version from the mythtv site? |
| [18:59:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: the newest version is likely to be 0.18.1 |
| [18:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | oh |
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| [19:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | when hackmiester[LT] said versions <=3 |
| [19:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | did he mean versions <= 0.3? |
| [19:00:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | crap |
| [19:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I'm obviously thinking of something else |
| [19:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | with the reiserfs corruption problems |
| [19:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | but its' in the howto |
| [19:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | sorry |
| [19:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | the gentoo wiki howto |
| [19:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | or a howto from mythtv.org |
| [19:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | mythtv.org |
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| [19:05:00] | OhNoNotHim: | does anyone know a way to change the theme without loading a program |
| [19:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ie change a config file |
| [19:06:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: edit the mysql database |
| [19:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh uh oh |
| [19:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im not too experienced with mysql |
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| [19:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | do i first log into mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg ? |
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| [19:07:00] | laga: | well, i use phpmyadmin for such tasks, but it requires a working lamp environment |
| [19:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im workin on ssh |
| [19:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh if anyone is curious |
| [19:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | http://www.mysql.com/documentation |
| [19:08:00] | laga: | phpmyadmin is basically just a web interface :) |
| [19:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | do i need to have apache running to use it? |
| [19:09:00] | laga: | yep |
| [19:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | from another computer on my network |
| [19:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | arg |
| [19:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh i guess i'll need it sooner or later |
| [19:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i'll probably wait until i get mythtv working before i do the fancy stuff though :-p |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i got all the way through all the install stuff |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and the watch tv |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | was blank |
| [19:10:00] | laga: | sad, but it happens :) looks like you didn't get something right |
| [19:10:00] | laga: | it's always useful to look at the backend logs |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | then i went into settings, and accidentally changed the theme in a blind change everything spree |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yeah |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i was able to get a picture with xawtv though |
| [19:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and sound |
| [19:11:00] | OhNoNotHim: | it was black and white though |
| [19:11:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i think it was trying to use european frequencies and pal though |
| [19:11:00] | OhNoNotHim: | when i changed too many things it froze |
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| [19:19:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh damn |
| [19:19:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i should have learned mysql earlier |
| [19:19:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh quite straight forward |
| [19:27:00] | psofa: | xawtv freezes for me too |
| [19:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | damn mysql is so easy |
| [19:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i dont know why ive been avoiding it |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | | RandomTheme | 0 | tux | |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | | MenuTheme | Default | tux | |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is this where i change the them |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | e |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | from the blue one that segfaults |
| [19:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i could change it to random |
| [19:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but that might fix it and if so, only randomly |
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| [19:38:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | yes |
| [19:38:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh, but when it DID come up you could change it back to default or sth |
| [19:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | do you know the name of the grey theme? |
| [19:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | the one that running mythfrontend changes it to |
| [19:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | before setup? |
| [19:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | also if i just change it to random |
| [19:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | will the theme in the table change too |
| [19:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | or will it just remain as default |
| [19:40:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | it'll remain as default, but you won't get default |
| [19:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | k |
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| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | before i hit enter |
| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i want to make sure this is correct syntax |
| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | pdate settings set data=1 where value=RandomTheme |
| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | |
| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ; |
| [19:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | update* |
| [19:44:00] | paul_: | Is there any way to get mythfrontend to use my PVR350 output without using X11? I want to keep X11 setup to use VGA output to my monitor. |
| [19:45:00] | paul_: | I've been reading some stuff about setting up multiple layouts in XF86Config, but it seems like it would be simpler if I could just tell mythfrontend to use /dev/fb1 directly as it's video output |
| [19:46:00] | paul_: | I think I've got my PVR350 setup correctly so that /dev/fb1 works as an output |
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| [19:56:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh fookin sweet |
| [19:57:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh i was curious if i could use ssh to play mp3s |
| [19:57:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so i just made my stereo play iron man through ssh :-) |
| [19:58:00] | laga: | i aaaaaaaaam iiiiroon maaaaaaaaaan! ;) |
| [19:58:00] | ** laga plays the air guitar ** | |
| [19:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [19:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | anyone use mp3blaster |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its a nice little console mp3 player i usually use when im compiling stuff ect |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | (happens a lot in gentoo ;-) |
| [20:00:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh |
| [20:00:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i wonder if i run mythfrontend over ssh |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | if everything will show up on my tv |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | well...more importantly |
| [20:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | startx |
| [20:00:00] | laga: | mp3blaster is quite nice, but it runs out of "threads" after a while and stops playing then. i used to use CAMP, but development has stopped |
| [20:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | too slow |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i use billy on windows |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | it is FAST |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its by sheepfriends |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its a TINY player |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | loads a whole library in under a second |
| [20:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | (maybe spills over a second depending on the size) |
| [20:02:00] | sPiN: | www.phpfi.com/93111 |
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| [20:02:00] | sPiN: | i have no ida what im doing wrong here, but building mythtv didnt make it far at all! |
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| [20:04:00] | OhNoNotHim: | sPiN: i didnt look at your output, but i'd bet its a dependency issue |
| [20:05:00] | OhNoNotHim: | because on gentoo portage downloaded roughly 20 ebuilds |
| [20:05:00] | sPiN: | well please look at the output and see if you can tell me what |
| [20:05:00] | sPiN: | cause ive tried very hard to satisfy the deps and as far as i know i have them all |
| [20:06:00] | sPiN: | i couldnt find a page that really clearly listed all of them |
| [20:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is there a way to use the xserver over ssh |
| [20:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | basically control the mouse |
| [20:06:00] | sPiN: | ssh -x |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | sometimes it's not that simple |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i can see the screen (its my tv) but im trying to control my myth box through ssh with my laptop :-) |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | google 'ssh x11 forwarding' |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | well im on windows |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and using an ssh client |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | putty will do it |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i'll go d/l that |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | you have to config it on the server though |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | so google that |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh fuck it |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i'll git off my ass |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | basically im laying on my bed |
| [20:07:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh |
| [20:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its 5 ft away ;-) |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | or |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | wait |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | use ... uh |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | what is that thing |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | synergy! |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | use that |
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| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | with your laptop as server |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | then mouse and keyboard support goes over to the server |
| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | *client |
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| [20:08:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
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| [20:19:00] | beavis: | xris: should the old translations still work with mythweb from svn or should we retranslate it ;) ? |
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| [20:22:00] | xris: | beavis: huh? same translation mechanism.. a few changed strings that will need to be updated |
| [20:22:00] | xris: | main changes in svn are layout of the code, not on the display side |
| [20:22:00] | beavis: | xris: hmm, does it switch languages for you? |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | haven't checked |
| [20:23:00] | xris: | might be a bug |
| [20:23:00] | OhNoNotHim: | SWEET ASS!!! |
| [20:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | synergy is easy to set up |
| [20:24:00] | \Grooby\_: | synergy?!?! |
| [20:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and works perfectly |
| [20:24:00] | beavis: | xris: there should be two themes at the moment right? default and .svn |
| [20:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hackmiester[LT] told me about it, i think i remeber seeing it on attack of th eshow/screensavers a while back |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
| [20:25:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehe..i found it |
| [20:25:00] | \Grooby\_: | :) |
| [20:25:00] | kormoc: | \Grooby\_, synergy allows you to share a mouse and keyboard accross different computers, similar to a KVM without the M part |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | lets you share monitors/keyboards/mice between keyboards over a network |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | beat me |
| [20:25:00] | \Grooby\_: | cool cool |
| [20:25:00] | kormoc: | not the monitor part, alas |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so now i can put my lazy ass back on my bed |
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| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and use my moniotr |
| [20:25:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laptop* |
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| [20:28:00] | _willcooke_: | Hmmmmm, DVB channel scanning on a Nova T seems broke in the latest svn. |
| [20:28:00] | _willcooke_: | Although I suspect it's a driver bug rather than a Myth bug |
| [20:30:00] | _willcooke_: | The Nova T doesnt report signal strength, so I think Myth is assuming that there's nothing worth looking at. Anyone else seen this? |
| [20:32:00] | sPiN: | anyone have any idea what is causing this? www.phpfi.com/93111 im thinking maybe gcc4 |
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| [20:32:00] | Santzes: | Hi |
| [20:32:00] | laga: | sPiN: yep, gcc 4. go to svn.mythtv.org and grab the fixes branch |
| [20:33:00] | Santzes: | What should I select for channel frequency table in Finnish terrestrial network |
| [20:33:00] | sPiN: | thanks laga |
| [20:33:00] | Santzes: | I tried europe-west and europe-east, but Scan Channel doesn't find any channels |
| [20:34:00] | _willcooke_: | Santzes, which version of Myth and which dvb card? (I ask because I think I've found a bug on this very topic) |
| [20:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | redoing the mythfilldatabase |
| [20:35:00] | Santzes: | 0.18.1–5 and Technisat Airstar2 DVB-T |
| [20:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | my god synergy is good |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: mythtv is better. |
| [20:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh its better than ssh |
| [20:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | all im doing is moving my mouse to the left and im on my xserver ;-) |
| [20:36:00] | sPiN: | laga: ive never used svn before... so i have no idia what to do here |
| [20:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: thats when its actually working :-p |
| [20:36:00] | _willcooke_: | Santzes, in which case, sorry don't know. :( |
| [20:36:00] | Cardoe: | any Gentoo-ers? |
| [20:36:00] | Santzes: | jep _willcooke_ just found my mistake |
| [20:36:00] | sPiN: | i got here http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-18-fixes |
| [20:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Cardoe: yep, i gentoo |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | sPiN: just do the "svn co" command listed there |
| [20:37:00] | Santzes: | I wrote the frequency in MHz :) |
| [20:37:00] | Cardoe: | laga: the issue at hand is really what to call the fixes branch if I was to package it. |
| [20:37:00] | _willcooke_: | Santzes, Ahhh! Yes, that'll do it! Good work! :) |
| [20:37:00] | laga: | Cardoe: 0.18.1-notsobroken? |
| [20:37:00] | Cardoe: | laga: yeah but from a package manager's persective |
| [20:37:00] | Cardoe: | I would usually do the rev # |
| [20:37:00] | sPiN: | ok thanks laga, ill try that and see what happens |
| [20:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Cardoe: get it working on gentoo yet? |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | laga: does the fixes branch have the mysql 5 patch? |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | OhNoNotHim: I'm the Gentoo guy |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | Cardoe: i have no clue |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | Cardoe: what about 0.18.2-unofficial? dunno |
| [20:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Cardoe: does the Gentoo guy have mythtv working on getntoo ? ;-) |
| [20:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | gentoo* |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [20:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Cardoe: heh, im still working on getting it working on my gentoo |
| [20:39:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | heh |
| [20:39:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | I have an idea. |
| [20:39:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | Suppose I were to install cygwin, right? And I installed RPM and yum on that... would yum get the deps for mythtv and install on windows? |
| [20:40:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | Possible trip ups, anyone? |
| [20:40:00] | Cardoe: | laga: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-18-fixes I was thinking of using the rev #s from that. |
| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heres a new problem |
| [20:41:00] | laga: | Cardoe: sounds like a plan |
| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Failed to bind port: 6543 |
| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | for mythbackend |
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| [20:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i just re-emerged mythtv and put xv in my use flags |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | OhNoNotHim: don't have other copies still running do you? |
| [20:42:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: it's possible that mythbackend is still running |
| [20:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [20:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh lemme go check consoles behind the xserver |
| [20:45:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yep |
| [20:45:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i forgot |
| [20:45:00] | OhNoNotHim: | the old install |
| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i had it set to the default run level |
| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so i just went ahead and restarted it |
| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | shit! |
| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh im using evilwm |
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| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and i hit ctrl alt backspace |
| [20:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | instead of ctrl alt enter |
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| [20:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hmm |
| [20:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i went to watch tv |
| [20:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and i got sound |
| [20:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but...the picture didnt work |
| [20:49:00] | OhNoNotHim: | it crashed |
| [20:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heres the output |
| [20:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | http://pastebin.com/476981 |
| [20:51:00] | ** OhNoNotHim REALLY loves synergy now ** | |
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| [20:51:00] | Santzes: | why does it take so long to scan channels with DVB-card? running for 15 minutes and Scan Activity 55%.. |
| [20:51:00] | Santzes: | And it has been 55% for like half of that time |
| [20:58:00] | Santzes: | oh man! this is just a great program! |
| [20:58:00] | Santzes: | thank you all, bye |
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| [21:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | pwned cable |
| [21:01:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i get hbo with my tunercard ;-) |
| [21:01:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | HEH |
| [21:03:00] | sPiN: | NOTE: Qt v3.1 or higher, but less than Qt v4.0, is required. |
| [21:03:00] | sPiN: | im running suse 10 and qt v4.1 :( im SOL arent i? |
| [21:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | sPiN: Correct |
| [21:03:00] | sPiN: | SOB :( |
| [21:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless you downgrade to asupported version |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | you should be able to install an older version, just look through suse's package management |
| [21:04:00] | sPiN: | i could goto 4.0, thats as far back as i can go on suse 10 |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | sPiN: check www.mythonsuse.org |
| [21:04:00] | sPiN: | ohhh thanks laga, had not found that site yet |
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| [21:06:00] | sPiN: | nope that sites pretty empty for 10.0 info |
| [21:06:00] | sPiN: | there are rpms for 10, but only for i386 :( |
| [21:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can also search the mythtv-users mailing list. I've seen plenty of posts with the subject of suse10 |
| [21:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't read them but they were ther e:) |
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| [21:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | with xawtv, i see the tv in black and white (and hear it), and with myth tv, it crashes, although i have sound |
| [21:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | here is the output |
| [21:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | http://pastebin.com/476981 |
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| [21:08:00] | OhNoNotHim: | anyone know what might be wrong |
| [21:09:00] | sPiN: | i found this http://groups.google.com/group/mythtv |
| [21:10:00] | sPiN: | but i search for suse and got nothing, so i guess that not where i need to be |
| [21:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [21:11:00] | sPiN: | ahhh thanks |
| [21:12:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | okay. |
| [21:12:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | can you emerge myth? |
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| [21:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hackmiester[LT] are you talking to me? |
| [21:14:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | anyone who knows |
| [21:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i emerged mythtv |
| [21:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh got everything working but the erm....tv ;-) |
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| [21:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | hehe |
| [21:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | i just want a frontend |
| [21:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | and I'm gonna put emerge on my windoze box |
| [21:16:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | and tinker with that |
| [21:16:00] | OhNoNotHim: | lol MY GOD |
| [21:16:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh i did "USE='transcode' emerge mythdvd" |
| [21:17:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and....heh im on emerge 2 of 43 ;-) |
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| [21:17:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | ok thanks |
| [21:17:00] | redline-: | hey any mythweb gurus here? |
| [21:18:00] | redline-: | or even apache people? |
| [21:18:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: maybe. |
| [21:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh i have LIMITED apache experience |
| [21:18:00] | redline-: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/recordings/1248_20051223020000.mpg on this server. |
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| [21:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | chmod -R 777 / |
| [21:18:00] | redline-: | but i can listen to mp3's that are streamed |
| [21:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | j/k |
| [21:18:00] | _willcooke_: | redline-, which users is apache runnning as? |
| [21:18:00] | hackmiester[LT]: | redline-: you don't have permission to read that file |
| [21:18:00] | redline-: | apache:apache |
| [21:18:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Do you have a symlink in your MythWeb directory to /data/recordings/.... etc |
| [21:18:00] | NightMonkey: | ? |
| [21:19:00] | redline-: | yes the sym is there to /video |
| [21:19:00] | redline-: | mp3's ar symed to /home/elarkin/mp3 |
| [21:19:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: What are the permissions on /video ? |
| [21:19:00] | redline-: | video is symed direct to /video |
| [21:19:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: And ownership? |
| [21:19:00] | redline-: | 777 apache:apache |
| [21:20:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: And on the files themselves? |
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| [21:20:00] | redline-: | same 777 apache apche |
| [21:21:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Hmm... What's in the apache error logs? |
| [21:22:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Also, after you check the logs, what is the ownership/perms on the *symlink itself*? |
| [21:22:00] | redline-: | (75)Value too large f |
| [21:22:00] | redline-: | or defined data type: access to /mythweb/data/recordings/1248_20051223020000.mpg |
| [21:22:00] | redline-: | all syms and files arte 777 |
| [21:22:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Ah, have you got Large File Support in apache? |
| [21:22:00] | redline-: | does it have to be compiled in? |
| [21:22:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Is the file over 2GB in size? |
| [21:22:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Yes. |
| [21:23:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: And, only the 2.2.X apache branch "officially" supports it – though your distro might have patched it. |
| [21:23:00] | redline-: | ill try a smaller one i know its 517 meg |
| [21:23:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Good deal. |
| [21:24:00] | redline-: | thats was it NightMonkey |
| [21:24:00] | redline-: | 517 works but 2.2 didnt |
| [21:24:00] | redline-: | now is there any way to stream this contenet? |
| [21:24:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Sorry for the problem. What version of Apache are you running? |
| [21:25:00] | redline-: | sec |
| [21:25:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: With MythStreamTV. |
| [21:26:00] | redline-: | its apache2 |
| [21:26:00] | redline-: | is there a apache2 --v option for version? |
| [21:26:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: http://mythstreamtv.sf.net/ |
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| [21:26:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Yes, "apache2 -V" |
| [21:27:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: And, of course, mythfrontend. But are you wanting to stream over the Internet? |
| [21:27:00] | redline-: | version 2.0.54 |
| [21:27:00] | redline-: | yea over the net |
| [21:27:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Yeah, I'm in the same version boat as you. |
| [21:28:00] | redline-: | buddy of mine is redskin fan going to philly for his family this weekend and they not gonna have the game local |
| [21:28:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: MythstreamTV works for me, though configuring and tweaking VLC can be a bit of a pain, but the new version of VLC is better (0.84a) |
| [21:28:00] | redline-: | so im trying to record it and have him stream it to wathc it =p |
| [21:28:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: MythstreamTV would be your best bet. |
| [21:28:00] | redline-: | cool im dl now =) |
| [21:28:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Gonna be tough to get it working before the weekend, tho. |
| [21:29:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: :) |
| [21:29:00] | redline-: | boooo |
| [21:29:00] | redline-: | no easy installer !?!?! |
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| [21:29:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Nope. |
| [21:30:00] | redline-: | hehe |
| [21:30:00] | redline-: | yea i have recompile apache also |
| [21:30:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Not too hard, tho. Just backup your mythweb html directory before running – easy return to "known good". |
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| [21:30:00] | redline-: | unless this just lets you stream regardless of size |
| [21:31:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Yes, as long as everything else on your system in the "application chain" for VLC handles LFS, you're fine. |
| [21:31:00] | redline-: | nice |
| [21:31:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: What's your distro? |
| [21:31:00] | redline-: | I gotta run and pick up my kid ill be back to try this out =) |
| [21:31:00] | redline-: | Gentoo |
| [21:31:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Excellent. No problems, then. |
| [21:31:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: Cheers. |
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| [21:33:00] | redline-: | btw thank you ! |
| [21:33:00] | NightMonkey: | redline-: No problem! Happy to help. |
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| [21:41:00] | sPiN: | im trying to use anyone managed to compile mthtv on qt4 or newer? |
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| [21:49:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Does not work, yet. MythTV would need recoding. Stick with QT3. |
| [21:49:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: i dont have a choice suse 10 uses qt4 |
| [21:50:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Well, you have a choice of another distro, of course. :) Myth is not coded to work with QT4. |
| [21:51:00] | sPiN: | well i dont like the idea of using some other distro just to make myth happy |
| [21:51:00] | sPiN: | this is my main workstation |
| [21:51:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Sorry, thems the facts. |
| [21:51:00] | sPiN: | i read about people getting it to work on suse 10, there are even rpms, but they are for 32bit |
| [21:53:00] | sPiN: | is their any other prv software for linux i could try? maybe come back and try mythtv when you guys get it to work on qt4 |
| [21:54:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Freevo, VDR come to mind. |
| [21:54:00] | sPiN: | thanks ill look into those |
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| [22:01:00] | NightMonkey: | Hmm... Looks like Freevo is on life support, but vdr is still active. |
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| [22:05:00] | sPiN: | well those both look like ass next to myth :( |
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| [22:05:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh well i can watc stuff with mplayer |
| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | now i need to figure out how to load dvds |
| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i used to do it on my laptop |
| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | using ogle |
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| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | how do you use mplayer though |
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| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its nice :-) |
| [22:06:00] | OhNoNotHim: | gmplayer is what im using right now |
| [22:07:00] | sPiN: | id rather return this pvr card than deal with either of those |
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| [22:08:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Sorry for your pain. I'm not a SuSE guy – but there have been a few others here that might be able to help you. |
| [22:10:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: And, yes, I agree, they do look like ass – that's why I'm here. :) |
| [22:10:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: yeah this is really disheartening |
| [22:10:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: There must be some way to have both QT3 and QT4 installed in parallel, and somehow point Myth towards the QT3 libraries. |
| [22:11:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: I'm betting that's what other SuSE users have figured out. |
| [22:11:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: ive read about gcc3 and gcc 4 being on the same machine |
| [22:11:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: i see very little talke of suse 10 64bit, just talk of problems and ppl giving up |
| [22:11:00] | sPiN: | it seems all the suse 10 users i have found have used the rpms with their 32bit boxes |
| [22:12:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Yeah, that's easily done (gcc). |
| [22:12:00] | NightMonkey: | One sec. |
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| [22:13:00] | sPiN: | well i have the gcc 4 problem taken care of... the svn of mythtv has fixes for this and x86_64 |
| [22:13:00] | sPiN: | but nothing for qt4 |
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| [22:15:00] | immolo: | gcc4 and myth must be fun |
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| [22:16:00] | sPiN: | not as much fun as gut renching |
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| [22:17:00] | immolo: | why are you using gcc4 anyway? |
| [22:19:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Is this any help: http://pcpitstop.invisionzone.com/lofiversion . . . t103775.html |
| [22:19:00] | sPiN: | immolo: im on suse 10 which uses gcc4 and qt4 |
| [22:20:00] | ** immolo can't see why any distro would use gcc4 when it is just framework and bloats a distro ** | |
| [22:20:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: (bottom link, sorry) |
| [22:20:00] | Chutt: | gcc4's faster + more standards compliant than 3 is |
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| [22:20:00] | immolo: | It's not faster then gcc3 yet |
| [22:20:00] | ** NightMonkey ducks ** | |
| [22:20:00] | Chutt: | compile time, sure as hell is. |
| [22:21:00] | immolo: | maybe compile time |
| [22:21:00] | Chutt: | maybe? |
| [22:21:00] | OhNoNotHim: | synergy....oh so sweet |
| [22:21:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: thanks for your help man :) i tried to use those src.rpms that you just told me about earlier to rebuild for x86_64 but nada |
| [22:21:00] | Chutt: | it's almost twice as fast. |
| [22:21:00] | immolo: | but the end result is nowhere faster |
| [22:21:00] | Chutt: | so? |
| [22:21:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: src RPMS? Must have been someone else... :$ |
| [22:22:00] | immolo: | Chutt, so you would rather finish compiling faster then having a faster running system which you will be using more? |
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| [22:22:00] | Chutt: | considering that all i do all day is compile stuff. hmmmm. |
| [22:22:00] | Chutt: | i wonder what i'd rather have |
| [22:22:00] | laga: | a quad opteron? ;) |
| [22:22:00] | sPiN: | www.phpfi.com/93126 |
| [22:22:00] | NightMonkey: | Chutt: I don't think who knows who you are or what you do. ;) |
| [22:23:00] | immolo: | Chutt, still silly to me and I run gentoo so I also compile alot |
| [22:23:00] | NightMonkey: | think he knows, rather |
| [22:23:00] | Chutt: | and the performance difference isn't really noticeable. |
| [22:23:00] | sPiN: | NightMonkey: he has both his rpms, as well as SRPMS there, he only has 32bit rpms, som trying to rebuild with src rpms and have the problem i just posted |
| [22:23:00] | immolo: | Chutt, I build for alot of <600mhz systems so it shows up alot there |
| [22:24:00] | NightMonkey: | sPiN: Oh, oh, I see. My bad. |
| [22:24:00] | Chutt: | suure. |
| [22:24:00] | Chutt: | probably just bad cflags |
| [22:24:00] | Chutt: | since you said you're using gentoo :p |
| [22:24:00] | NightMonkey: | Mmmm.... burning ricer... so crispy. |
| [22:24:00] | immolo: | -march=pentium3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointers :P |
| [22:24:00] | immolo: | oh forgot the -O2 |
| [22:25:00] | immolo: | and yeah mixing a ricer and gcc4 is real fun :P |
| [22:26:00] | Chutt: | they make p3s < 600mhz? |
| [22:26:00] | immolo: | well I have a 600mhz p3 |
| [22:26:00] | sPiN: | ive got an old p3 433mhz here with 256 ram.. it is a desktop! but the specs on the pvr150 i ordered says 733 mhz pc or better |
| [22:26:00] | immolo: | others are celerons 344 p1 133 etc |
| [22:27:00] | NightMonkey: | bbl |
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| [22:29:00] | sPiN: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625 thats the card... |
| [22:30:00] | sPiN: | anyone think i could get away with a 433 p3 with 256 ram for knoppmyth box |
| [22:31:00] | sPiN: | ive got a 733, but it needs a new psu |
| [22:31:00] | eiggirC: | sPiN: sure – depends on your tuner card. |
| [22:31:00] | sPiN: | well right there is my tuner card and it says no |
| [22:31:00] | sPiN: | but ive also read else where that a p2 300 can run some cards |
| [22:31:00] | eiggirC: | sPiN: you're confused |
| [22:31:00] | eiggirC: | mythtv requires far less balls than windows |
| [22:32:00] | eiggirC: | those recommended specs are for windows |
| [22:32:00] | eiggirC: | the PVR-150 has a hardware mpeg encoder, so its good. |
| [22:32:00] | sPiN: | eiggirC: ohh thats good news man :) |
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| [22:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | crap, anyone in here use gentoo |
| [22:33:00] | eiggirC: | sPiN: build it and see what happens. The worst thing is that it won't work and you'll need a better box. |
| [22:33:00] | sPiN: | hopefully i can get knoppmyth loaded on that box then |
| [22:33:00] | immolo: | OhNoNotHim, yeah |
| [22:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | specifically know how to unmask a package |
| [22:33:00] | immolo: | nano /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| [22:33:00] | sPiN: | that box doesnt seem to want to boot from cd now, but i know it does cause i got winxp sp2 on there somehow |
| [22:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: what did i type wrong in /etc/portage/package.use |
| [22:33:00] | eiggirC: | In fact – I wonder if a 486 with PCI will be ballsy enough to run myth. I expect ram will be the bottleneck on such a machine. |
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| [22:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: media-plugins/mythbrowser-0.18.1 ~x86 |
| [22:34:00] | immolo: | .use is for adding useflags to a package :P |
| [22:34:00] | eiggirC: | sPiN: you could just move the installed hard drive from the 433 to another macine. easy. |
| [22:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: heh whoops |
| [22:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i havent been usin my gentoo recently ;-) |
| [22:34:00] | immolo: | can't tell :P |
| [22:35:00] | immolo: | haven't that stabled 18.1 yet? |
| [22:35:00] | OhNoNotHim: | nope |
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| [22:36:00] | paul_: | Any PVR350 users here? |
| [22:36:00] | paul_: | I think I might be overlooking something obvious |
| [22:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: crap, what do i need to put in there |
| [22:37:00] | immolo: | media-plugins/mythbrowser ~x86 |
| [22:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: i have media-plugins/mythbrowser-0.18.1 ~x86 |
| [22:37:00] | d3ity is now known as d3ity-ho | |
| [22:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ah the version number |
| [22:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh thanks |
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| [22:38:00] | immolo: | no problem |
| [22:38:00] | immolo: | OhNoNotHim, if you use the gentoo-wiki it will help you set everything up |
| [22:38:00] | paul_: | I selected the checkbox for using PVR350 video output and audio in the setup and it works for playing recordings, but the Myth menu screens still go to my monitor, not my TV |
| [22:38:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: yeah, i was just being lazy with that part |
| [22:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: my tv isnt working |
| [22:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so im getting other media working ;-) |
| [22:39:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: wait a tick, you use gentoo, lemme see if i can find that pastebin i had with the output |
| [22:40:00] | OhNoNotHim: | immolo: http://pastebin.com/476981 |
| [22:41:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i had xv as a useflag as well |
| [22:41:00] | immolo: | never seen that error |
| [22:42:00] | immolo: | myth worked pretty much out of the box |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i can get it to work with xawtv |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | in black and white |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and when i do it with mythtv |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | the sound works |
| [22:42:00] | immolo: | I don't use xawtv |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh but all mythtv does is unmute line i bet |
| [22:42:00] | immolo: | atleast I don't think I do :P |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | or something similar |
| [22:42:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i dont use xawtv either |
| [22:43:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im just saying i installed it to see if my capture card was installed right ;-) |
| [22:43:00] | paul_: | Anybody know why mythtv sends the video to the PVR350 but not the menus? |
| [22:43:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | heh, why's *mythtv*!*@* |
| [22:43:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | banned? |
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| [22:44:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh so people dont expose their mythtv account to possible attack? |
| [22:44:00] | OhNoNotHim: | since people would get the ip |
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| [22:44:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and guess the password to be mythtv |
| [22:44:00] | OhNoNotHim: | nah |
| [22:44:00] | OhNoNotHim: | they could do that anyway |
| [22:45:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | if your pass is mythtv on your mythtv acct you're not terribly clever (if you're going on irc with it anyway) |
| [22:45:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so what does mythtv use for all the data and all that stuff |
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| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | what folder |
| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is it /share? |
| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | because i need to go reset everything up |
| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so that it uses the big media partition |
| [22:46:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and not the small (10gb) os partition ;-) |
| [22:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i could be lazy and copy everything from /share |
| [22:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | to /media |
| [22:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and then start mounting /media at /share |
| [22:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | right? |
| [22:47:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | OhNoNotHim, that's set in the config app |
| [22:47:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | mythtv-setup |
| [22:47:00] | OhNoNotHim: | mmk |
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| [22:48:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ok going back through it i have directory to hold recordings and directory to hold the live-tv buffers on /media |
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| [22:50:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | good |
| [22:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | those were how it was initially set up |
| [22:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is there another setting to set to /media |
| [22:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | because i keep seeing remaining space on my os partition |
| [22:51:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | eyah lots |
| [22:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and not my /media one |
| [22:51:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | you have to go back to the frontend |
| [22:51:00] | OhNoNotHim: | mmk |
| [22:51:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | and go through lots of stuff |
| [22:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ok i'll do that a little later |
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| [22:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i shut down the back end |
| [22:52:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so that gentoo can emerge mythbrowser in peace |
| [22:52:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | that's hte best idea |
| [22:53:00] | OhNoNotHim: | as for the problem with my mythtv, anyone know what i could do/some output that might be helpful? http://pastebin.com/476981 |
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| [22:54:00] | fir3_: | hi |
| [22:54:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hi |
| [22:54:00] | fir3_: | i changed the profile settings but the recordings are still too big |
| [22:55:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | get a bigger hard disk |
| [22:55:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | :-P |
| [22:55:00] | fir3_: | the settings for the bitrate are not set |
| [22:55:00] | fir3_: | changing the resolution works |
| [22:55:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | OhNoNotHim, you need a video driver that supports XVideo |
| [22:56:00] | fir3_: | any ideas what's wrong? |
| [22:56:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hackmiester[MTV]: what do you mean by that? |
| [22:56:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | no fucking clue |
| [22:56:00] | OhNoNotHim: | hackmiester[LT]: right now im using the bttv kernel module |
| [22:56:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | but that's the problem |
| [22:56:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | no, your output card |
| [22:56:00] | OhNoNotHim: | oh |
| [22:56:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | mine had it initally so I didn't have to worry about it |
| [22:56:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | *initially |
| [22:56:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im using a nvidia geforce4 440mx |
| [22:57:00] | OhNoNotHim: | with the nvidia module |
| [22:57:00] | OhNoNotHim: | perhaps its an option in nvidia-settings ? |
| [22:58:00] | OhNoNotHim: | nope |
| [22:58:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | possibly |
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| [22:59:00] | teevee: | hi |
| [22:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | teevee |
| [22:59:00] | teevee: | i'm running mythfrontend on a P3–1000 and MX4000 svideo to tv at 640x480, shouldn't that be fast enough? |
| [22:59:00] | OhNoNotHim: | did you realise that the term TV has been deprecated as of yesterday |
| [23:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and replaced with DPS |
| [23:00:00] | OhNoNotHim: | Digital Picture Screen |
| [23:00:00] | teevee: | both the backend and frontend are on 802.11g connections, but on the frontend the load average is soaring above 1.00 |
| [23:01:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | teevee, normal |
| [23:01:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | mythtv is horribly intensive |
| [23:01:00] | teevee: | it's stuttering though |
| [23:01:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | ah |
| [23:02:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | well obviously it's not fast enough |
| [23:02:00] | teevee: | for both livetv and recorded playback |
| [23:02:00] | laga: | teevee: what TV card are you using? |
| [23:02:00] | teevee: | laga: gf4 mx4000 at 640x480 |
| [23:02:00] | laga: | teevee: i mean, for capturing... |
| [23:02:00] | teevee: | ah |
| [23:02:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | I suggest a Hauppage PVR-x50, they've got hardware encod.... oh, for recorded too? that might be because it can't encode fast enough, like i said, get those cards for hardware enc |
| [23:02:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | oding |
| [23:03:00] | teevee: | pvr-150 on a cel-D 2.8 GHz |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | ah, shit |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | that is a hardware encoder |
| [23:03:00] | laga: | well, everything should be fine then |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | :x |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | hmmmmmmmmm... |
| [23:03:00] | teevee: | the problem isn't on the backend, i'm sure |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | do you have the option 'Use the PVR-350-style hardware encoder'? |
| [23:03:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | turned on |
| [23:04:00] | teevee: | i run frontend on the backend computer fine, as well as two other computers on the lan |
| [23:04:00] | laga: | teevee: check 'xvinfo' on the frontend |
| [23:04:00] | teevee: | ah |
| [23:04:00] | teevee: | thanks, brb |
| [23:06:00] | teevee: | wow, there's a ton of info there |
| [23:06:00] | teevee: | but it gave me an idea |
| [23:06:00] | teevee: | maybe turning off sync to vblank might speed it up |
| [23:06:00] | laga: | well, you need Xv to have nice playback |
| [23:06:00] | laga: | teevee: oh yeah, are you running nvidias latest drivers? 8xxx? |
| [23:07:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: i was having an Xv error |
| [23:07:00] | teevee: | 6629 |
| [23:07:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: Xv really needs with playback |
| [23:07:00] | laga: | teevee: oh, ok. because some 8xxx drivers had a bug with regard to opengl vsync |
| [23:07:00] | bagpuss_thecat: | where would be the best place to file a bug about the debian packaging of Mythtv? |
| [23:07:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | with the packager |
| [23:07:00] | bagpuss_thecat: | from Marillats repository |
| [23:08:00] | teevee: | laga: how do I know with xvinfo if xv is activated? |
| [23:08:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | with Marillat |
| [23:08:00] | paul_: | Does anybody run mythtv with a monitor in addition to separate TV output? |
| [23:08:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | paul_, me |
| [23:08:00] | bagpuss_thecat: | hackmiester[MTV]: ta |
| [23:08:00] | teevee: | paul_: that's what i was just trying but it's chopping |
| [23:08:00] | paul_: | What sort of hardware? I'm trying it with Dell builtin video plus PVR350 TV out |
| [23:08:00] | laga: | teevee: it usually says something like "no Xv adaptors found" |
| [23:09:00] | laga: | teevee: if it's not working |
| [23:09:00] | teevee: | laga: i was also considering the latest kernel with certain realmode timings enabled |
| [23:09:00] | teevee: | laga: ok |
| [23:09:00] | laga: | that's one of the possibilities, i mean. start mythfrontend with -v playback |
| [23:09:00] | teevee: | laga: i'm using the xv use flag if you're familiar with gentoo, so i have a feeling xv is ok |
| [23:09:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: how do i use xv, i have this error http://pastebin.com/476981 i have xv in my use flags, as well as xv installed on my system, is there some parameter i need to add in my xorg.conf i am using the "nvidia" driver for a geforce4 440mx |
| [23:09:00] | laga: | teevee: yep |
| [23:09:00] | paul_: | hackmiester, I'm not having problems with it chopping, but I think I'm missing something obvious in the config |
| [23:09:00] | teevee: | on a side note, i have a computer that mysteriously won't use xv for mplayer, keeps using -vo x11 |
| [23:10:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: thats the error when i try to "watch tv" |
| [23:10:00] | teevee: | laga: anything else i can do to speed it up? |
| [23:10:00] | laga: | teevee: nothing else comes to my mind, sorry |
| [23:11:00] | teevee: | laga: maybe i can try to lower the res even lower than 640x480 |
| [23:11:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: doesn't look good, make sure your drivers are good |
| [23:11:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: i can get it to work on xawtv |
| [23:11:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but there is no color |
| [23:12:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: so? what's that got to do with Xv? ;) |
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| [23:12:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh just saying that so that you can see that at least some stuff is installed right ;-) |
| [23:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | im going to go socialize in a few minutes |
| [23:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | leave my house *gasp* |
| [23:14:00] | OhNoNotHim: | j/k |
| [23:15:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i'll probably come back later to fix this prob |
| [23:15:00] | OhNoNotHim: | that just doesnt want to get resolved :-/ |
| [23:15:00] | laga: | have fun :) |
| [23:16:00] | ** OhNoNotHim attempts to face his fear and steps outside, but then quickly scurries back inside ** | |
| [23:16:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | heh |
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| [23:17:00] | ** laga struggles with apache ** | |
| [23:17:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [23:17:00] | OhNoNotHim: | why stuggle with apache when you can get hopped up on firewater and raise hell? |
| [23:17:00] | OhNoNotHim: | j/k |
| [23:18:00] | laga: | because the xmas gift for the GF is up there ;) |
| [23:18:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [23:19:00] | OhNoNotHim: | wow synergy is king |
| [23:19:00] | laga: | do they give you money? |
| [23:20:00] | OhNoNotHim: | synergy is sweet though |
| [23:20:00] | paul_: | hackmiester, I mean running a full desktop with IRC, web browser, etc on a monitor while having the same machine also power a PVR display on the TV. Is that feasible? |
| [23:20:00] | OhNoNotHim: | basically, i can startx, and start synergy on ssh |
| [23:20:00] | paul_: | I don't know if I'm wasting my time here |
| [23:20:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and then use synergy with the computer and control it with my laptop |
| [23:21:00] | OhNoNotHim: | only think on the myth box i have to do is log in when i initially turn it on |
| [23:21:00] | laga: | OhNoNotHim: wow. that's a very new concept. |
| [23:21:00] | OhNoNotHim: | new to me :-p |
| [23:21:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i've sshed a lot |
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| [23:21:00] | laga: | you should ssh -X. ;) |
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| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh im using a winders box though |
| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so im just using a no frills ssh client |
| [23:22:00] | laga: | well, you'd need an X server for windows then ;) |
| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | winders laptop |
| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh but what im trying to use is 6 ft away |
| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | basically my laptop is an ADVANCED remote control |
| [23:22:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ;-) |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | is there a command to see whats currently emerging in gentoo? |
| [23:24:00] | laga: | turn it into a real computer: www.ubuntulinux.org ;) |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ie which dependency? |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | laga: heh i got gentoo installed on it |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | dual boot |
| [23:24:00] | laga: | umm, just look at the output of emerge? |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i just happen to be booted in windows :-p |
| [23:24:00] | OhNoNotHim: | since i broke my "hibernate" on gentoo after my last kernel upgrade :-( |
| [23:25:00] | laga: | hehe. i broke that all the time. then i switched to ubuntu and it worked out of the box. and i was like "zomg! so easy!" and switched completely |
| [23:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh i would switch |
| [23:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many hours invested into the gentoo install |
| [23:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i got all sorts of good stuff working |
| [23:26:00] | OhNoNotHim: | wireless card isnt too hard to set up anymore, but i still dont want to have to do it again ;-) |
| [23:26:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | same with my intel |
| [23:26:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | in my ibm |
| [23:26:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | took me days to figure that out |
| [23:27:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | when I finally did it wasn't that hard |
| [23:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | yeah |
| [23:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | centrino right? |
| [23:27:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | but if I have to redo my fedora it'll take me more days to relearn it |
| [23:27:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | yeah |
| [23:27:00] | OhNoNotHim: | same |
| [23:27:00] | laga: | yeah, i spend countless ours fiddling and optimizing things. then i found ou it just works with ubuntu. and started screaming :) |
| [23:28:00] | redline-: | booo |
| [23:28:00] | redline-: | mythstream not gotnna work with 0.19 |
| [23:30:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh funny thing about my mythtv is that tv isnt even that big of a part of it ;-) |
| [23:30:00] | OhNoNotHim: | btw...anyone else not getting their netflix |
| [23:30:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | yeah |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i just switched mine over to a post office box |
| [23:31:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | it's moving more towards a media center |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | that i just got |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | but...i havent been recieving anything |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | its my primary entertainment content |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | and my computer is hungry |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i havent fed it any dvd's in about a week :-/ |
| [23:31:00] | OhNoNotHim: | (off topic) |
| [23:31:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | off topic is ok |
| [23:32:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | noone is saying anything, it needs to be alive |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | anyone have netflix |
| [23:32:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | guess in most time zones everyone's asleep |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i have more expensive things coming to that box this week |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | or early next week |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | so it bothers me that nothing at all has come to my box |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | not even junk mail |
| [23:32:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i verified that it was the right zipcode |
| [23:32:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | Heh |
| [23:32:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | call em up! |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i did |
| [23:33:00] | transplant (n=nothanks@ip68-97-221-130.ok.ok.cox.net) Quit () | |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i guess i'll go in tomorrow |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | if its not there |
| [23:33:00] | ** evilbuny wonders how many people did myth installs using LVM ** | |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i just verified the zip and asked if mail was sluggish though |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | LVM, refresh my memory whats that? |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | linux virtural machine? |
| [23:33:00] | evilbuny: | allows you to join multiple partitions into one big one |
| [23:33:00] | OhNoNotHim: | ah |
| [23:33:00] | evilbuny: | linux volume management |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | Logical Virtual Management |
| [23:34:00] | OhNoNotHim: | coo |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | er |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | logical volume |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | rather |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | not virtual |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | AAH |
| [23:34:00] | ** hackmiester[MTV] explodes ** | |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | anyway |
| [23:34:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | why can't you use it? |
| [23:34:00] | evilbuny: | i didn't say i couldn't |
| [23:34:00] | evilbuny: | i just wondered how many are using it :) |
| [23:34:00] | ** OhNoNotHim sells hackmiester[MTV] parts for profit ** | |
| [23:35:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | oh |
| [23:35:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | I am |
| [23:35:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | heh, I've got enough crap in my server room atm |
| [23:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | heh |
| [23:36:00] | evilbuny: | i hate myth tutorials/installs that don't do the main myth partition and tell people about LVM |
| [23:36:00] | evilbuny: | cause it was such a PITA having to move data about when I needed more hdd space |
| [23:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i hate myth tutorials that dont set up your mysql :-p |
| [23:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | i figgered it out though |
| [23:36:00] | OhNoNotHim: | mysql is easy |
| [23:36:00] | hackmiester[MTV]: | <3 Fedora Myth(tv)ology |
| [23:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | g2g |
| [23:37:00] | OhNoNotHim: | social people contact time |
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| [23:44:00] | paul_: | On the Mythvideo screen, what does NFO – Action Menu mean? |
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| [23:44:00] | paul_: | How do I get it to play a file? All I can get it to do is bring up an edit screen |
| [23:45:00] | evilbuny: | nfo is usually a small txt file |
| [23:46:00] | kormoc: | short for iNFO |
| [23:46:00] | paul_: | ok, what I did was I copied a divx encoded AVI file into the appropriate mythvideo directory. That's the only file in the directory. I don't have an nfo text file |
| [23:47:00] | paul_: | Is that something I need to create manually? |
| [23:47:00] | laga: | no |
| [23:47:00] | kormoc: | paul_, did you run the mythvideo setup? |
| [23:47:00] | laga: | you're probably just in the wrong screen ;) |
| [23:47:00] | paul_: | kormoc, yes, but before doing apt-get install mythvideo |
| [23:48:00] | stealth_: | anyone good with lircd? |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | paul_, how'd you manage to run the mythvideo specific setup before installing mythvideo? |
| [23:49:00] | paul_: | kormoc, no sorry. I ran mythtv-setup, then later apt-get install mythvideo, then mythfrontend and navigated to the setup section for mythvideo |
| [23:49:00] | evilbuny: | stealth_: what about it? |
| [23:49:00] | stealth_: | evilbuny, i ran irrecord for my digital box remote and learned all the keys except no when I irsend SEND_ONCE AT8550 1 .. nothing happens on my box |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | paul_, okay, once you run the video scanning setup in the frontend, you go back to the main screen, watch recorded stuff, watch videos and then watch the video from there |
| [23:50:00] | evilbuny: | stealth_: common remote? |
| [23:50:00] | paul_: | ah, whoops |
| [23:50:00] | stealth_: | evilbuny, its a Scientific Atlanta AT8550 digital box remote |
| [23:50:00] | evilbuny: | reason i ask is there might already be a config for it |
| [23:50:00] | stealth_: | na |
| [23:51:00] | stealth_: | closest is like explorere 8000 |
| [23:51:00] | stealth_: | and it just dosent work |
| [23:51:00] | stealth_: | either |
| [23:51:00] | evilbuny: | i have a mce remote and was able find a config for it on google :) |
| [23:51:00] | paul_: | hmm, that doesn't work either. Does mythtv understand xvid/divx? I've recorded lots of TV shows on my Windows box, mostly in divx |
| [23:52:00] | evilbuny: | paul_: no |
| [23:52:00] | evilbuny: | you need myth video |
| [23:52:00] | stealth_: | whats the difference between finding a config on google.. or using irrecord and making my own.. shouldent making my own be more ... i dunno how to say.. better? |
| [23:52:00] | evilbuny: | stealth_: why reinvent the wheel when someone has already perfected it |
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| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | stealth_, sure, it's better if you understand what's going on |
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| [23:53:00] | paul_: | evilbuny, I may be missing something subtle here, but isn't that what I got by running "apt-get install mythvideo"? It added a few more icons in the mythtv screens |
| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | evilbuny, he is using mythvideo |
| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | paul_, you might need to set the player to say, mplayer or xine |
| [23:53:00] | evilbuny: | paul_: you need to config it to point to the dir of files |
| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | evilbuny, he did, it shows up, just doesn't play |
| [23:54:00] | evilbuny: | did he install mplayer + xvid/divx codecs? |
| [23:54:00] | evilbuny: | (and check log files) |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | ... |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | evilbuny, by default, myth uses the internal video player for mythvideo |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | evilbuny, I just sudgested he try mplayer/xine |
| [23:54:00] | evilbuny: | ummm |
| [23:55:00] | paul_: | evilbuny, I just ran apt-get install mplayer, but I'm not sure how that's going to interact with my PVR350 output |
| [23:55:00] | laga: | kormoc: are you sure that mythvideo uses the internal player by default? |
| [23:55:00] | kormoc: | laga, I beleive so, as of .18.1 |
| [23:55:00] | kormoc: | I can check for sure... |
| [23:55:00] | evilbuny: | paul_: i have a funny feeling i rebuilt mplayer to enable divx/xvid |
| [23:55:00] | laga: | kormoc: oh, ok. i haven't done a vanilla install in ages |
| [23:55:00] | evilbuny: | since they disable it |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | paul_, you just need to install the win32 codec pack to get mpeg4/xvid/divx support |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | evilbuny, xvid is opensource and not disabled in anycase. |
| [23:56:00] | paul_: | kormoc, I think I may be on the trail of the solution |
| [23:56:00] | stealth_: | ok searched google.. no remote. i tried the two sa configs that came with the lircd pacakge and they didnt work either |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | paul_, hrm? |
| [23:56:00] | paul_: | kormoc, running mplayer from the command line plays the xvid file in a window |
| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | it could be behind, aye |
| [23:57:00] | kormoc: | paul_, you are running a window manager, correct? |
| [23:57:00] | paul_: | kormoc, I know that my PVR350 is /dev/fb1, now I just need to figure out how to connect the two |
| [23:57:00] | kormoc: | paul_, you really should be using the generic pvr350 X drivers, and with that, it will show up just fine |
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| [23:58:00] | paul_: | kormoc, I'm trying (with limited success) to run a desktop Linux on the VGA output of the onboard video while running MythTV (including video) on the PVR350 output |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | paul_, you can just setup both cards and that would work fine |
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| [23:59:00] | evilbuny: | paul_: it's not hard |
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