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Monday, December 19th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] GreyFoxx: ok, you are a troll aren't you ?
[00:00:00] daddymak_: gotta be
[00:00:00] wesleyiscool: I took my computer to best buy
[00:00:00] wesleyiscool: and they wanted me to pay 260 dollars to install linux on it T_T
[00:00:00] GreyFoxx: What the hell is "T_T" ?
[00:00:00] daddymak_: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&hs=GBn& . . . define:Linux
[00:00:00] wesleyiscool: its a cute criyng smily
[00:01:00] daddymak_: wesleyiscool, go that url
[00:01:00] wesleyiscool: its kawaii
[00:01:00] wesleyiscool: ok
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: wesleyiscool: They might charge that to do it for you, but the distros and
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: "linux" is free
[00:01:00] heinola: having probs connecting to mysql threw mythtv
[00:02:00] daddymak_: what user is the front end running as?
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[00:04:00] Fony_Vaio: can someone help me please. When I load myth, and hit "watch tv" the screen goes blank for some seconds, and then i am returned to the myth home menu. console output here: http://pastebin.ca/34110
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[00:04:00] dagfinnr: hi
[00:05:00] wesleyiscool: once I had an STF
[00:05:00] dagfinnr: is there any way to clear the xmltv data?
[00:05:00] wesleyiscool: STD
[00:05:00] Hoxzer (n=niko@dsl-hkigw2-fe10de00-26.dhcp.inet.fi) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[00:05:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: try restarting the backend
[00:05:00] GreyFoxx: wesleyiscool: Lemme guess, you are a bored 14 year old ?
[00:05:00] dagfinnr: the date was one day slow, i fixed that, and now the epg is one day slow
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[00:05:00] wesleyiscool: GreyFoxx: No me not 14 me big boy!
[00:06:00] wesleyiscool: And me so horny me luv you long time!
[00:06:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: Running SVN or 0.18 ?
[00:06:00] wesleyiscool: Gonohreah
[00:07:00] wesleyiscool: such a beautiful word
[00:07:00] foobum: especially when spelt correctly
[00:08:00] dagfinnr: GreyFoxx, 0.18 i think..
[00:08:00] heinola: brb
[00:08:00] dagfinnr: atleast not svn :)
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[00:08:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: Ok, you would have to do it manually in the database then
[00:09:00] dagfinnr: darnit
[00:09:00] dagfinnr: can i clear the whole database?
[00:09:00] foobum: dagfinnr: something along the lines of 'truncate program;'
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[00:09:00] GreyFoxx: delete from program;
[00:09:00] ChanServ sets mode +v Chutt
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[00:10:00] dagfinnr: so i have to empty the program table?
[00:10:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: here's the output from restarting the db, and trying the app again (it still doesn't work, but now it hangs whilst bringing up menu's) http://pastebin.ca/34111
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[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: dagfinnr: Yes
[00:11:00] dagfinnr: ok
[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: then rerun mythfilldatabase to populate it again
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[00:11:00] dagfinnr: *installing phpmyadmin*
[00:12:00] GreyFoxx: why bother just to run a single command ?
[00:12:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: it looks like you're not allowed to connect to your X server
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[00:12:00] foobum: what user is your X server running as?
[00:13:00] dagfinnr: yeah, i can do it manually.. what is the command to empty a table GreyFoxx ?
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: I just told you
[00:13:00] foobum: dagfinnr: truncate
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: delete from program;
[00:13:00] foobum: (or delete from)
[00:13:00] GreyFoxx: by not specifying any match criteria it will match and remove every row
[00:14:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: but i've already run xhost +
[00:14:00] foobum: ok.. but are you running X as root?
[00:14:00] dagfinnr: ty GreyFoxx
[00:14:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: xorg is root, afaik
[00:14:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: that's a bad idea
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[00:15:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: run X as user and problem should go away
[00:15:00] Fony_Vaio: user@fony:~$ ps ax | grep X
[00:15:00] Fony_Vaio: 5532 ? S 26:26 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[00:16:00] dagfinnr: and then the programs is good again..was kindof funny when it already had recorded a program who was tomorrow, and starter re-recording yesterdays recordings and stuff
[00:16:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: ok
[00:17:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: so you log in via gdm as who?
[00:17:00] Fony_Vaio: my user
[00:17:00] Fony_Vaio: *never root
[00:17:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: and you're running mythfrontend from an xterm?
[00:17:00] Fony_Vaio: yes
[00:17:00] Fony_Vaio: i've tried running it as my user, and mythtv user
[00:18:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: odd.. can you bring up another xterm ok?
[00:19:00] Fony_Vaio: yes
[00:19:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: ok, are you sure the frontend and backend are the same version?
[00:20:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: your frontend is 0.18.1.20050510–1
[00:21:00] Fony_Vaio: i hope so! i got the debs from the same place
[00:21:00] Fony_Vaio: it's a well known build, afaik
[00:21:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: and I assume it's still not working
[00:21:00] dhofstra: ok, so now I am init 3 on live dvd; looking at my xorg.conf, the monitor section has horizsync and vertrefresh and modes[0]; the laptop has an LCD; is this why x is not starting?
[00:21:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: perhaps the backend wasn't quite up and running
[00:22:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists . . . /mythtv.old/ is where i got the debs
[00:23:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: i'm not sure, this is my first experience with myth, it's definitely running the backend, but fully or not, i'm not sure.
[00:23:00] dhofstra: oops, damn xchat
[00:23:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: well is it still failing?
[00:24:00] Fony_Vaio: yes
[00:24:00] Fony_Vaio: the screen goes black when selecting the watch tv button from the home screen
[00:25:00] foobum: oh.. so it's starting ok now?
[00:25:00] Fony_Vaio: no
[00:25:00] Fony_Vaio: as i explained at the beginning, the frontend starts without an issue
[00:25:00] foobum: oh.. the log you posted last suggested not
[00:26:00] Fony_Vaio: but when i select watch tv from the home menu, the screen goes black for some seconds, and then i'm returned to the home screen.
[00:26:00] foobum: something wrong with your input setup
[00:26:00] Fony_Vaio: well, that was the log i got from the console, but the front end works fine apart from live tv.
[00:26:00] foobum: what card are you using?
[00:26:00] tanq: so when you install the plugins do they show up on the menu
[00:26:00] Fony_Vaio: Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T USB2
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[00:27:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: i assume you have a /dev/video device for it and you can see video using mplayer or similar?
[00:27:00] Fony_Vaio: i've used scan to create a channels.conf and tzap to tune to a channel, and then used mplayer to plat the stream... it works perfectly.
[00:27:00] foobum: tanq: i think that's the idea, yes
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[00:27:00] Fony_Vaio: yes, this is the first thing i checked.
[00:28:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: ok.. and you've set it up properly in mythtv-setup?
[00:28:00] Fony_Vaio: I'm using /dev/dvb/adapter0
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[00:28:00] Fony_Vaio: well, i'm able to find all my channels in the setup
[00:28:00] foobum: in what context?
[00:29:00] Fony_Vaio: and it downloads the program listings fine for all the services it found
[00:29:00] foobum: yup.. you've told myth-setup it's a DVB card?
[00:30:00] Fony_Vaio: yes
[00:30:00] Fony_Vaio: else it wouldn't be able to find the channels?
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[00:30:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: and you've assigned the dvb adapter to a source?
[00:31:00] Fony_Vaio: yes
[00:31:00] Fony_Vaio: again, you need to do that in order to get the channels, afaik
[00:32:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: hmm.. not sure... i think the backend is unable to get data from the dvb adapter
[00:33:00] Fony_Vaio: ok, so it's able to communicate with it to scan, etc, but it's not able to open the stream, is what you're saying?
[00:33:00] Fony_Vaio: or not communicate with it at all?
[00:33:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: yes.. it would seem that way (to me, who doesn't really know)
[00:33:00] Fony_Vaio: hmm...
[00:34:00] heinola: well i got a little further today at least i can fire up the frontend  :)
[00:34:00] heinola: gn all
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[00:36:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: send the output of netstat --inet -anp | grep 6543
[00:37:00] Fony_Vaio: k
[00:37:00] Fony_Vaio: http://pastebin.ca/34112
[00:38:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: hmph, that looks ok
[00:39:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: and i guess that was obvious from your log :/
[00:39:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: have a look at the backend log
[00:41:00] Fony_Vaio: wow.. so much output
[00:41:00] Fony_Vaio: let me delete the log, restart the backend and try the frontend again, then i'll paste the results
[00:41:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: grep for (ERROR|WARNING)
[00:41:00] foobum: ok
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[00:42:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: couple of things – you should really use the address of your NIC for the master backend address (rather than 127.0.0.1)
[00:43:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: also, check you have a starting channel set in mythtv-setup
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[00:45:00] Fony_Vaio: http://pastebin.ca/34113
[00:46:00] foobum: QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket
[00:46:00] foobum: Failed to bind port: 6543
[00:46:00] foobum: looks bad
[00:46:00] foobum: sure it wasn't already running when you started it that time?
[00:47:00] Fony_Vaio: hmm
[00:47:00] Fony_Vaio: lemme try again
[00:47:00] Fony_Vaio: i'll kill any procs i find
[00:47:00] foobum: ok..
[00:49:00] Fony_Vaio: 5354 ? Zsl 0:04 [mythbackend] <defunct>
[00:49:00] Fony_Vaio: i can't kill it?
[00:49:00] foobum: kill -9?
[00:49:00] Fony_Vaio: hope
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[00:49:00] Fony_Vaio: *nope
[00:49:00] foobum: oh dear
[00:50:00] foobum: reboot :/
[00:50:00] Fony_Vaio: lol
[00:50:00] Fony_Vaio: ok
[00:50:00] Fony_Vaio: i deleted the log again
[00:50:00] Fony_Vaio: so i'll have a fresh one
[00:50:00] foobum: k
[00:50:00] Fony_Vaio: brb
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[00:55:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: ok, here's fresh output from the backend http://pastebin.ca/34114
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[00:56:00] Fony_Vaio: i'm going to try the frontend now
[00:56:00] foobum: that looks good
[00:57:00] Fony_Vaio: should i run the frontend with sudo or as mythtv user?
[00:57:00] foobum: as mythtv user
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[00:58:00] Fony_Vaio: w00t!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[00:59:00] ** Fony_Vaio bows unto foobum **
[00:59:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: congrats :)
[00:59:00] Fony_Vaio: thankyou thankyou
[00:59:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: np
[00:59:00] Fony_Vaio: audio doesn't work... but this is beautiful
[01:00:00] so_: Tried? /etc/init.d/alsa-autoconfig
[01:00:00] so_: I dunno it worked for me
[01:00:00] Fony_Vaio: so_: lemme try
[01:00:00] so_: I had to run alsamixer afterwards and bump the levels a bit :)
[01:01:00] so_: right now I just broke my video :)
[01:02:00] Fony_Vaio: my alsa is working fine
[01:02:00] Fony_Vaio: it's that i didn't specify an audio device...
[01:02:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: ALSA:<device>
[01:03:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: e.g. ALSA:default
[01:03:00] Fony_Vaio: and the mixer is /dev/mixer ?
[01:03:00] foobum: i suspect not, unless you have OSS emulation
[01:04:00] Fony_Vaio: i think i did compile OSS legacy support into this kernel
[01:04:00] foobum: not too sure on that since i don't use the internal volume controls
[01:04:00] jono: hi all, I installed a nova-t card in my box today (which already had a pvr-350 in it) – I reverted to the tveeprom kernel module from the kernel and both cards seem to load their modules fine now – the problem is that the pvr card doesnt seem to take any video in now – any clues?
[01:04:00] Fony_Vaio: but what is the native mixer device for alsa?
[01:04:00] foobum: i'm not sure there is a device... *shrug*
[01:05:00] Fony_Vaio: working :D
[01:05:00] foobum: :)
[01:07:00] Fony_Vaio: are there de-interlacing filters?
[01:08:00] Fony_Vaio: wow... the osd overlay is beautiful.. the alpha blending is so smooth
[01:08:00] foobum: yeah, turn on deinterlacing in the tv playback menu
[01:08:00] Fony_Vaio: ok
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[01:08:00] foobum: bob is probably the best bet if your cpu can keep up
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[01:09:00] foobum: y
[01:10:00] Fony_Vaio: use libmpeg2?
[01:10:00] foobum: what cpu?
[01:10:00] Fony_Vaio: it's a 3ghz celeron
[01:10:00] foobum: hmm.. dunno.. it's meant to be faster for most people but is slower for me on x86_64
[01:10:00] Fony_Vaio: i'm just interested in quality
[01:11:00] foobum: don't think there's a great deal of difference
[01:11:00] Fony_Vaio: whatever filters / decoders, etc, i can use to increase quality, that's all i care about. lol
[01:11:00] Fony_Vaio: it won't do any multitasking whilst playing back, so i think the proc can handle most things
[01:12:00] foobum: try without libmpeg2 first then i guess
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[01:12:00] Fony_Vaio: use xv controls?
[01:12:00] foobum: that just lets you alter playback brightness/contrast/etc
[01:12:00] foobum: why not
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[01:13:00] Fony_Vaio: i always remember xv was very important to scaling on videos
[01:13:00] Fony_Vaio: is it beneficial?
[01:13:00] foobum: it uses xv anyway
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[01:13:00] foobum: that switch just turns on the brightness/contrast/other controls
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[01:14:00] Fony_Vaio: aha
[01:17:00] Fony_Vaio: hmm.. i'm not convinced about the quality of the de-interlacing
[01:18:00] foobum: deinterlacing sucks, always
[01:18:00] foobum: you could try kerneldeint too
[01:24:00] jono: anyone here using a dvb and pvr-X50 card?
[01:24:00] Fony_Vaio: linear blend looks best to my untrained eye, tbh.
[01:25:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: AFAIK that should suck about the most :)
[01:25:00] foobum: jono: yup
[01:25:00] Fony_Vaio: then again, i'm not sure how good my panel is. it's a 15.4" WXGA 720p x-black
[01:26:00] jono: foobum, did you use the same tveeprom from the kernel for both cards?
[01:26:00] Fony_Vaio: it's not very flattering on things like this, perhaps.
[01:26:00] foobum: you could always try an interlaced modeline and turn off the deinterlacing
[01:27:00] foobum: jono: my dvb cards are cx88
[01:27:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: how?
[01:27:00] jono: foobum, mine is too – its a nova-t – I read that I needed to use the kernel tveeprom module instead of the ivtv one, so I reverted back to it and it works
[01:27:00] Fony_Vaio: i can't get over how good myth is... it was so worth the effort.
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[01:27:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: i have X setup with a PAL modeline
[01:27:00] tanq: where do you point mythmusic to the directory that contains the music?
[01:28:00] jono: the problem is that now I can't get any actual video through my pvr-350 card
[01:28:00] foobum: (720x576@50 interlaced)
[01:28:00] tanq: i didnt see anything in side the mythsetup
[01:28:00] foobum: jono: what does tveeprom.ko have to do with the cx88 driver?
[01:28:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: but won't running the lcd panel outside of it's native res make it look horrible, anyway, thereby defeating the object?
[01:28:00] Fony_Vaio: it's not like the lcd panel has a proper scaler, it just scretches the picture.
[01:29:00] jono: foobum, well that is what help it up before – because I installed the tveeprom from ivtv, the cx88 driver could not load it – I reverted to the kernel tveeprom and it was fine
[01:29:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: perhaps.. but at the moment you're scaling and deinterlacing the video (I assume)
[01:29:00] foobum: jono: you're right, cx88xx does depend on tveeprom
[01:29:00] foobum: jono: which ivtv version?
[01:30:00] jono: foobum, 0.4.0
[01:30:00] jono: foobum, I tried to cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and I just see gray
[01:30:00] Fony_Vaio: foobum: yes, i'm running @ 1280x800x32bpp but the point is that my radeon graphics chip is probably a thousand times better at scaling than my lcd panel. right? deinterlacing is a major pita, though.
[01:30:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: dunno.. any scaling is a bad thing
[01:31:00] foobum: Fony_Vaio: which is why driving the display at the same resolution / timing as the video seems like a good idea
[01:31:00] foobum: jono: i'm using 0.4.0 too
[01:31:00] jono: foobum, which pvr card?
[01:32:00] foobum: 350
[01:32:00] jono: foobum, same here – which dvb card?
[01:32:00] foobum: um.. a Nova-T
[01:33:00] jono: foobum, so its the new nova t, same as me
[01:33:00] jono: foobum, did you add anything to modprobe.d, any aliases?
[01:33:00] foobum: it's not that old... so guess so
[01:33:00] foobum: don't think so
[01:34:00] foobum: looks like i'm using ivtv's tveeprom
[01:34:00] jono: oh really?
[01:34:00] jono: mine wouldnt work with ivtv's one
[01:34:00] foobum: kernel version?
[01:34:00] jono: 2.6.12–9 on ubuntu
[01:34:00] foobum: 2.6.14 here
[01:34:00] jono: ahhhh
[01:34:00] jono: I heard its better with .14
[01:35:00] jono: maybe I need to upgrade
[01:35:00] foobum: but the only tveeprom.ko i have is in /lib/modules/2.6.14/extra, which is where ivtv installs its modules
[01:35:00] foobum: (on gentoo anyway)
[01:37:00] jono: hmmm
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[01:38:00] black_Nightmare: hey there ;)
[01:38:00] jono: so you used all of the ivtv modules and none of the kernel ones?
[01:39:00] foobum: jono: yup
[01:40:00] jono: hrm
[01:40:00] foobum: jono: i guess try 2.6.14
[01:40:00] jono: yeah
[01:41:00] black_Nightmare: it ok to ask about just movie hardware questions alone in here? just checking
[01:41:00] foobum: movie hardware?
[01:42:00] black_Nightmare: yeah like mpeg cards, etc
[01:42:00] black_Nightmare: hmm maybe I should have said multimedia hehe
[01:42:00] foobum: dunno.. ask anyway ;)
[01:43:00] black_Nightmare: mpeg2 decoder would take the full brute of playing back the retail movie in dvd drive so all the cpu would have to do is display the movie player software and proccess the audio tracks in general – right?
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[01:44:00] foobum: black_Nightmare: depends whether the decoder is happy to decode dvd mpeg2 and whether the software is happy to use it
[01:45:00] foobum: black_Nightmare: AFAIK myth doesn't use a decoder for dvd playback even if one is available
[01:46:00] foobum: black_Nightmare: and usually, a decoder chip would decode the audio for you too
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[01:47:00] black_Nightmare: well the decoder chipset is a mpeg1/mpeg2 one so surely it should do retail dvd movies just fine .. oh and no offense but I wasn't asking my question re mythtv as the os, its for a different os :->
[01:47:00] black_Nightmare: brb for a second
[01:48:00] foobum: black_Nightmare: not sure then
[01:51:00] tanq: where do i point MythMusic to the directory that has the music in it?
[01:51:00] black_Nightmare: back
[01:51:00] black_Nightmare: ty anyway foobum it was a worthy try
[01:52:00] tanq: i tried the docs on the myth site but either they are out of day or my plugins arent working right
[01:52:00] tanq: s/day/date
[01:54:00] tanq: when i select scan music it appears that a dialog is flickering on and off
[01:54:00] tanq: but i'm not sure if it is because i missed another part of the setup?
[01:55:00] Cromz: tanq, frontend, setup, general.. one of the screens there has 'Directory to hold music'
[01:56:00] Cromz: oops. it's frontend, setup, music settings, then general
[02:02:00] Cromz: so like.. tomarow I get the new lcd for my new myth box.. a sceptre 20.1 widescreen :) I'm excited..
[02:02:00] ** black_Nightmare wish someone could give me a particular crt I need hehe :-S :-P **
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[02:13:00] poonj: hey guys
[02:14:00] poonj: I want to edit a TV show that I recorded. However, when I push M, the menu doesn't come up
[02:14:00] poonj: is there something that I didn't install that I need to edit videos?
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: M should bring up the Generic menu and one of the options should be to Edit (You can also use E to go directly to edit mode)
[02:15:00] poonj: GreyFoxx: okay
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[02:42:00] tanq: hrm
[02:42:00] tanq: so in gdm.com i did AutomaticLogin=tanq
[02:43:00] tanq: but the .xinitrc doesnt seem to bexecuting mythfrontend
[02:43:00] tanq: even though it call fluxbox
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[04:13:00] poonj: hey greyfoxx
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[04:22:00] poop: I just cannot get either via sound or btaudio working.
[04:23:00] poop: Completely inconsistent results
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[04:30:00] penticlex: I feal stupid asking this but I thaught modprobe was a permanant change but afet i reboot I have to set it again.
[04:30:00] penticlex: afet = after
[04:30:00] poop: penticlex: No, it's dynamic.
[04:31:00] penticlex: how do I make it perm?
[04:31:00] poop: penticlex: You can configure it to load at boot or at runtime though.
[04:31:00] penticlex: I tried that but it doesnt load
[04:31:00] poop: On debian, assuming nothing fancy was required, I'd add it to /etc/modules
[04:32:00] penticlex: Ill try it
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[04:38:00] penticlex: testing
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[04:41:00] penticlex: thanks poop it worked
[04:42:00] poop: Dear linux, die you stupid fuckup
[04:42:00] poop: Time to check out sagetv
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[04:42:00] abarbaccia: poop don't do it
[04:43:00] cesman: let him go...
[04:43:00] cesman: with comments like that, who need him
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[04:59:00] Flimzy: Does anyone here have experience getting X to work at 1366x768? I'm having difficulties finding a useable modeline.
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[05:05:00] heinola: ill have to try the kythtv install from scratch see where i messed up something to do with the user and db
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[05:12:00] defaultro: good evening guys. Anyone here uses fusion hdtv gold?
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[05:15:00] Flimzy: can't say I know what that is
[05:15:00] defaultro: can you guys see my message?
[05:16:00] defaultro: don't know if you saw my message earlier since I forgot to identify my pass
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[05:16:00] defaultro: was asking if anyone was using fusion hdtv gold card here
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[05:19:00] Flimzy: yeah, and I responded
[05:19:00] Caveman: i've got the fusion DVB-T plus, uncertain if that is similar to the gold
[05:19:00] defaultro: oh ok
[05:19:00] Flimzy: But I suppose I could have done that without having read what you said the first time
[05:19:00] defaultro: i don't think we have dvb signal here in US
[05:20:00] defaultro: but i guess, it will use dvb drivers
[05:20:00] defaultro: just like my other hdtv card, air2pc
[05:20:00] defaultro: but am very interested in adding another hdtv card and this time, I like to try fusion gold
[05:20:00] Caveman: no you don't have DVB
[05:20:00] defaultro: yep, but it will use the linux-dvb drivers
[05:21:00] defaultro: it's just gonna be atsc
[05:21:00] defaultro: btw, was there any update on putting close caption on air2pc here in US?
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[05:23:00] defaultro: also, regarding QAM. I'm not really well verse in QAM. I know that signal we get from tv providers like comcast are QAM. Can we get all QAM channels excluding those that are encrypted?
[05:24:00] cesman: yes, in theory
[05:25:00] sPiN: im shopping for a tv cap card right now.. want one with a hardware mpeg2 encoder and i need it to be under 100 bucks
[05:25:00] defaultro: OK
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[05:25:00] defaultro: spin, pvr150?
[05:25:00] sPiN: and i need it to work in linux very well
[05:25:00] sPiN: defaultro: yeah im looking at that one now...
[05:25:00] defaultro: then there you go :)
[05:25:00] sPiN: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625 is that a good price?
[05:26:00] sPiN: id really like it 15 or 20 bucks cheaper if there is another option
[05:26:00] defaultro: i think it's high
[05:26:00] defaultro: i heard it was $65 a year ago
[05:26:00] defaultro: buy.com
[05:27:00] defaultro: hey guys, what do you think guys if we buy via fatwallet.com?
[05:27:00] sPiN: there is also a pvr 150MCE that is around that price you just quoted, but it doesnt have the hardware encoder and has much higher sys reqs
[05:27:00] defaultro: i'm not updated
[05:27:00] defaultro: last time i was interested was way back february
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[05:27:00] sPiN: that card is apparently great
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[05:29:00] defaultro: get it
[05:29:00] defaultro: me, i'm into an hdtv card market
[05:30:00] defaultro: deciding if i should buy fusion gold or lite
[05:31:00] sPiN: how much is that?
[05:31:00] defaultro: around $99 lite and $139 gold
[05:31:00] sPiN: i got no hd and that wont be happening for me any time soon
[05:31:00] defaultro: it's an hdtv
[05:31:00] Flimzy: I'm trying to get X to display properly on my hdtv... can't get a good modeline :/
[05:31:00] defaultro: buy the 150,250 or 500
[05:31:00] sPiN: all i know about these things is you want to be sure you have a good hardware encoder
[05:32:00] defaultro: i'm using nvidia 6600GT for my output :)
[05:32:00] defaultro: never had any issues
[05:32:00] sPiN: ohh ive got one of those...
[05:32:00] Flimzy: default: what output resolution?
[05:32:00] sPiN: just got it a few days ago to replace a fried ati 9600xt
[05:32:00] defaultro: 1920x1080 :)
[05:32:00] sPiN: it smokes my old card
[05:33:00] sPiN: OHH using the hdtv output thats awesome
[05:33:00] defaultro: yep
[05:33:00] Flimzy: defaultpro: Does your TV hardware support that?
[05:33:00] sPiN: and you got a pimpin tv too
[05:33:00] Flimzy: My LCD is 1366x768
[05:33:00] defaultro: yep, i have mits 48313
[05:33:00] defaultro: it supports 480i/p, 1080i
[05:33:00] defaultro: i don't have 720p
[05:33:00] Flimzy: defaultro, that doesn't necissarily mean anything
[05:33:00] defaultro: but any 720p is sent as 1080i by nvidia
[05:34:00] Flimzy: My tv can take 1080i input, too
[05:34:00] Flimzy: But the LCD is still only 1366x768
[05:34:00] defaultro: mine is real 1080
[05:34:00] Flimzy: What are the _physical_ dimensions of your display?
[05:34:00] defaultro: 48 inches
[05:34:00] sPiN: if i do hdtv it will be because i finally scored a dell 24" lcd
[05:34:00] Flimzy: no
[05:34:00] Flimzy: in pixels
[05:34:00] defaultro: 1920x1080
[05:34:00] defaultro: oh the tv
[05:34:00] defaultro: i don't know
[05:35:00] defaultro: but i know that it supports 1080
[05:35:00] Flimzy: I bet it's not really 1920x1080
[05:35:00] Flimzy: yeah, but that doesn't mean crap
[05:35:00] Flimzy: I bet you're over-driving your video card
[05:35:00] Flimzy: and losing quality
[05:35:00] defaultro: nope
[05:35:00] defaultro: it's awesome
[05:35:00] Flimzy: How cna you be sure, if you don't know the physical capabilities of your display?
[05:35:00] defaultro: my card supports 2400x1900
[05:35:00] Flimzy: I don't give a crap what your card supports
[05:35:00] Flimzy: My card supports at least that high, too
[05:35:00] defaultro: so what do you want me to check
[05:35:00] Flimzy: I'm askingg what your display supports
[05:35:00] defaultro: my hdtv right?
[05:36:00] Flimzy: What is the actual, physical, resolution of your display
[05:36:00] Flimzy: yes, your hdtv
[05:36:00] defaultro: my mitsubishi
[05:36:00] defaultro: let me verify from google
[05:36:00] Flimzy: what's the model#?
[05:36:00] defaultro: it's a ws48313
[05:36:00] defaultro: help me find it please
[05:38:00] Nothingman: hey, all!
[05:38:00] defaultro: Flimzy, my capture 7 months ago – http://restricted.dyndns.org/simon.jpg
[05:38:00] Nothingman: happy to finally be able to control my mythbox with a frontend on other machines in the household (and there are plenty of those)
[05:38:00] Flimzy: defaultro: What you capture means nothing
[05:38:00] Nothingman: but I can't seem to access my mp3 collection still
[05:38:00] defaultro: my digital camera screenshot
[05:39:00] defaultro: the picture doesn't give justice. But if you look at it, it's quite clear
[05:40:00] defaultro: this is all i found, http://www.800bigscreens.com/html/silver_series2.html
[05:40:00] defaultro: it's not in mitsubishi-tv.com anymore
[05:42:00] defaultro: and another report from a tool I ran 7 months ago. It's about EDID. http://restricted.dyndns.org/moninfo.txt
[05:42:00] defaultro: BAM, your question is answered by that last link I gave you :P
[05:42:00] Flimzy: is that a lcd or plasma, or what?
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[05:43:00] defaultro: it's a CRT hdtv
[05:43:00] Chutt: it's a crt, so it doesn't really have a max resolution.
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[05:43:00] Flimzy: oh, it's a crt
[05:43:00] Flimzy: ha
[05:43:00] defaultro: hi Chutt, what's up
[05:43:00] Chutt: the quoted 'lines of resolution' is 1200, so it's max would be something like 2400x1020
[05:43:00] defaultro: what do you mean "no max res"
[05:43:00] sPiN: damn! best buy charges 199 for the pvr 150! its 89 on newegg.com
[05:43:00] Flimzy: and you're driving it at 1920x1080?
[05:43:00] Flimzy: that's insane
[05:43:00] defaultro: hmmm
[05:43:00] defaultro: :)
[05:44:00] defaultro: 1020?
[05:44:00] defaultro: where did you see that?
[05:44:00] Chutt: heh, meant 1080
[05:44:00] Chutt: analog doesn't do pixels :p
[05:44:00] defaultro: Flimzy, i'm not overdriving it. It's what it wants :P
[05:45:00] Flimzy: It's overdriving, in the sense that you're sending it far more quality than it can possibly display
[05:45:00] Flimzy: and thus wasting CPU cycles to upscale the image
[05:45:00] Chutt: flimzy, why's that more than it could possibly display?
[05:45:00] defaultro: hmm, i don't understand what you really like to point out
[05:46:00] defaultro: upscale? i'm getting an hdtv feed
[05:46:00] Chutt: crts have been doing > 1920x1080 for a long time.
[05:47:00] defaultro: flimzy, you can actually see the resoultion that's being sent in mythbackend.log
[05:47:00] sPiN: thats a 16:9 format
[05:47:00] defaultro: ;)
[05:47:00] sPiN: there are no wide screen crts, and widescreen lcds are 16:10
[05:47:00] sPiN: so 1920x1200 is the res
[05:47:00] Chutt: there are no wide screen crts?
[05:47:00] defaultro: never seen 16:10
[05:47:00] Chutt: what the fuck are you smoking?
[05:47:00] Chutt: and no, not all widescreen lcds are 16:10
[05:47:00] defaultro: spin, you've just seen my physical hdtv
[05:47:00] Flimzy: sPiN: WTF are you talking about?
[05:48:00] Flimzy: I've seen widescreen CRTs
[05:48:00] defaultro: LOL
[05:48:00] sPiN: were talking about computer monitors arent we?
[05:48:00] defaultro: no
[05:48:00] defaultro: we're talking about hdtv set
[05:48:00] sPiN: ohh my bad :P sorry
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[05:49:00] Chutt: flimzy, so, why's he 'overdriving' his display, again?
[05:49:00] defaultro: is there any DLP in the market that supports 1080p now? last product i saw about a year is that, it only supports upto 720p
[05:49:00] Nothingman: anyone here have the same problem I have?
[05:49:00] Flimzy: Chutt: I suspect he's sending it more information than it can meaningfully display
[05:49:00] Chutt: there are "1080p" dlps, but most of them are half res
[05:49:00] Chutt: flimzy, why do you suspect that?
[05:50:00] defaultro: half res? what does that mean?
[05:50:00] Flimzy: Chutt: It's not important
[05:50:00] Chutt: they do 1920/2 x 1080
[05:50:00] Chutt: and fake the extra horizontal res
[05:50:00] defaultro: gotcha
[05:50:00] Chutt: flimzy, sure it is
[05:50:00] defaultro: have you seen the quality though?
[05:50:00] Flimzy: Chutt: Only to you, then.
[05:50:00] defaultro: me too flimzy, i'm interested in your answer
[05:51:00] defaultro: coz I might ruin my display :)
[05:51:00] Chutt: you're just jealous that he has a higher res tv than you :p
[05:51:00] defaultro: lol
[05:51:00] Flimzy: Chutt: yeah... I'm jealous of a $1800 CRT
[05:51:00] Chutt: why?
[05:51:00] Chutt: better picture with a crt
[05:51:00] Flimzy: when I only got a measly $3000 LCD
[05:51:00] Chutt: deeper blacks
[05:51:00] Flimzy: that I paid $600 for
[05:51:00] Chutt: higher resolution
[05:51:00] defaultro: flimzy, you can't drive it right, here is a howto i wrote before, http://restricted.dyndns.org/hookingpc2hdtv.html
[05:52:00] Flimzy: defaultro: can't drive what right?
[05:52:00] defaultro: the higher res
[05:52:00] defaultro: you were asking about modelines
[05:52:00] Chutt: and the crt likely won't have a lamp burn out =)
[05:52:00] defaultro: you can get some tips off of that
[05:52:00] defaultro: :D BAM Chutt
[05:52:00] Flimzy: defaultro: I'm driving it at 1368x768 right now
[05:52:00] defaultro: i do have a convergence problem though
[05:53:00] Chutt: (i own a lcd front projector, btw)
[05:53:00] defaultro: but it's not so obvious
[05:53:00] Flimzy: I think that's the best nvidia can do with a vga output
[05:53:00] defaultro: Chutt, BAM
[05:53:00] Flimzy: and I'm apparantly losing one pixel on each side
[05:53:00] Flimzy: no big deal
[05:53:00] defaultro: I'm going to get a projector next year for my new house
[05:53:00] Flimzy: for a 1:1 pixel map
[05:53:00] defaultro: oh, front lcd projector
[05:53:00] defaultro: what i meant is the lightweight projector that we mount on ceilings
[05:54:00] Chutt: that's a front projector :p
[05:54:00] defaultro: :D
[05:54:00] Flimzy: If I go to DVI, rumor has it I may be able to do exactly 1366x768... but not sure, since I don't have the appropriate cable to test it with yet
[05:54:00] Flimzy: now I just need to tell X/mplayer about the aspect ratio of my screen
[05:54:00] Flimzy: it still thinks I'm using 4:3
[05:55:00] defaultro: tell X
[05:55:00] Flimzy: Is there an option I can put in the Monitors section that defines that?
[05:55:00] Chutt: DisplaySize
[05:56:00] Flimzy: ah, cool
[05:56:00] Flimzy: now to calculate...
[05:56:00] Flimzy: (or measure)
[05:56:00] defaultro: Chutt, what resolution does your projector support?
[05:56:00] Chutt: 1280x720
[05:56:00] defaultro: ok, very cool for sports ;P
[05:57:00] poonj: hey guys
[05:57:00] defaultro: how do you get your feed, air2pc, fusion or firewire?
[05:57:00] poonj: I have nuvexport, but then all of the options are disabled..
[05:57:00] Chutt: neither, don't do hd in myth with it
[05:57:00] poonj: what programs do I need to export files? I have ffmpeg installed...
[05:57:00] defaultro: ok
[05:57:00] poonj: and transcode
[05:57:00] defaultro: when are you planning to utilize HD :P
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[05:58:00] Chutt: oh, i get hd from the cablebox
[05:58:00] defaultro: ok
[05:58:00] Chutt: my frontend there isn't fast enough for playback
[05:58:00] Chutt: so i don't bother
[05:58:00] defaultro: which is directly connected to your tv
[05:58:00] Chutt: through a receiver, of course.
[05:58:00] defaultro: yep
[05:59:00] Flimzy: blah
[05:59:00] Flimzy: damn aliasing
[05:59:00] defaultro: do you know a regular member here that has fusion card?
[05:59:00] Chutt: nope
[05:59:00] defaultro: ok
[05:59:00] defaultro: mchou was planning too but last time i spoke to him was about 2 months ago
[05:59:00] Flimzy: and the aspect still is skewed
[06:00:00] defaultro: so dopester is still here though. Hi dops
[06:00:00] defaultro: did dopester ever release a newer version for the latest air2pc card?
[06:01:00] defaultro: Btw Chutt, where can I find the latest update news about mythtv?
[06:01:00] Chutt: dev list
[06:01:00] Nothingman: got a Q
[06:02:00] Nothingman: if I wanted to copy my .nuv files to another comp and play them elsewhere, how would I accomplish that?
[06:02:00] defaultro: scp?
[06:03:00] defaultro: i think mplayer can play nuv files
[06:03:00] Nothingman: can it?
[06:03:00] defaultro: i think so
[06:03:00] defaultro: but you have to recompile i guess so that it has support
[06:03:00] defaultro: i couldn't remember anymore
[06:03:00] defaultro: i have to read my notes again
[06:04:00] defaultro: in my case, I play nuv files via samba share and on my XP, i use vlc player
[06:04:00] Cromz: ewww xp
[06:04:00] defaultro: i modified one of the php file in mythweb and have it pointed to a mythtv:// something
[06:05:00] Flimzy: I don't think the DisplaySize option is working
[06:05:00] defaultro: i do that when i'm not in the basement :) coz my ht is in the basement
[06:07:00] defaultro: i was wrong with the link, here is the exact link in my mythweb, myth:\\192.168.1.50\mythtvrecs/1000_20051218230500_20051219000500.nuv
[06:08:00] Caveman: has anyone had any luck with nuv2avi or nuvexport? Trying to transcode to format windows can play at a reasonable filesize to send to a mate
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[06:09:00] Caveman: im using nuvexport to xvid at the moment, has been running for hours with no sign of stopping
[06:11:00] Caveman: my mythbox has only 256 ram so it is slow for transcoding, if i could get it onto my windows box with 2gb ram it would make a masive difference
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[06:14:00] Flimzy: You shouldn't need massive amounts of RAM for transcoding, should you?
[06:14:00] GTswagger: I think my mythgallery is hosed
[06:14:00] GTswagger: I try to enter it; nothing happens
[06:15:00] GTswagger: I try to go to setup --> media --> gallery
[06:15:00] GTswagger: nothing happens
[06:15:00] GTswagger: re-emerging mythgallery does not fix this problem
[06:15:00] GTswagger: ideas?
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[06:17:00] poonj: umm
[06:18:00] poonj: nuvexport isn't really working..
[06:18:00] poonj: well, which version of mjpegtools do I need?
[06:18:00] datix: could someone quick tell me what the default mplayer string is for "DVD Playback Command" in the Settings. I switched to xine but want to swtich back, I can't find the original command anywhere
[06:19:00] Caveman: [17:14] <Flimzy> You shouldn't need massive amounts of RAM for transcoding, should you? <-- uncertain, it just finished actually. 19 hours for a 2 hour recording to xvid. Got it down to 1Gb
[06:20:00] GTswagger: poonj; my nuvexport was hosed recently; I fixed it by downgrading ffmpeg
[06:20:00] poonj: which version?
[06:21:00] GTswagger: # eix ffmpeg
[06:21:00] Flimzy: Caveman, Transcoding is very CPU intesnive...
[06:21:00] Caveman: can virtualdub or similar handle .nuv files?
[06:21:00] Flimzy: shouldn't use much RAM at all
[06:21:00] Flimzy: I did transcoding on a machine with only 32mb for a while
[06:21:00] GTswagger: * media-video/ffmpeg
[06:21:00] GTswagger: Installed: 0.4.9_p20051120
[06:22:00] GTswagger: woops — ran that command on wrong machine
[06:22:00] poonj: umm
[06:22:00] GTswagger: the version that works for me is:
[06:22:00] poonj: 3277056
[06:22:00] GTswagger: 0.4.9_p20050226-r5
[06:22:00] poonj: ummm
[06:22:00] GTswagger: in portage
[06:22:00] poonj: okay
[06:22:00] poonj: I'm using debian unstable
[06:22:00] poonj: should I downgrade to testing or stable for ffmpeg?
[06:22:00] GTswagger: Gentoo stable here.
[06:23:00] Flimzy: cool... got the aspect ratio fixed in mplayer
[06:23:00] poonj: also...the weird thing is that nvexport is kind of hating yuvdenoise
[06:23:00] poonj: which version of mjpegtools are you using?
[06:23:00] Flimzy: now I think we're ready for our 12+ hour LOTR HD marathon on nye
[06:23:00] GTswagger: poon – try downgrading
[06:23:00] Caveman: 19 hours for a two hour recording seems a bit excessive. I have a 2Ghz P4
[06:23:00] Flimzy: Caveman: Depends entirely on the source media, target media, and transcoding options
[06:23:00] GTswagger: * media-video/mjpegtools
[06:23:00] GTswagger: Installed: 1.6.2-r4
[06:24:00] GTswagger: so — anybody here had issues with mythgallery mysteriously acting like it doesn't exist?
[06:24:00] Flimzy: My 2Ghz Athlon could transcode a fairly high-quality DVD to 700mb in about 120% realtime
[06:24:00] Flimzy: so 2 hours would take 2.4 hours to do
[06:24:00] Flimzy: roughly
[06:24:00] Caveman: i'm thinking i need to get it from nuv into another format as quickly as possible, move the file to my main pc with a bit more grunt and then transcode it down properly?
[06:25:00] Caveman: well the source file was just 2 hours of SDTV
[06:25:00] Caveman: i'm in Australia so its recorded from a DVB source
[06:25:00] Flimzy: you're probably using some funky transcode option(s) that are slow, then
[06:26:00] Flimzy: or a slow encoder
[06:26:00] Caveman: most likely
[06:26:00] Caveman: struggled to find any information on google, might have to have a proper fiddle
[06:26:00] Flimzy: what transcode program are you using?
[06:27:00] Caveman: ffmpeg
[06:27:00] Flimzy: hmm
[06:27:00] Flimzy: I think I used that
[06:27:00] Flimzy: look at transcode
[06:27:00] Flimzy: it's a good tool
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[06:30:00] Caveman: do you remember if nuvexport was run with switches? i will start digging for info as i'm still pretty new to myth and linux
[06:31:00] datix: could someone quick tell me what the default mplayer string is for "DVD Player Command" in the Settings. I switched to xine but want to swtich back, I can't find the original command anywhere.
[06:31:00] Caveman: ta for help.
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[06:35:00] GTswagger: running mythfrontend in verbose mode, here's the error I get trying to enter Image Gallery
[06:36:00] GTswagger: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythgallery.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGLWidget16setMouseTrackingEb
[06:36:00] GTswagger: Unable to initialize plugin 'mythgallery'
[06:36:00] GTswagger: Unable to run plugin 'mythgallery': not initialized
[06:37:00] GTswagger: Same thing if I try to go to setup too
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[06:45:00] Gumby: does anyone know if there is any way to see which tuner a given program was recorded on?
[06:46:00] GTswagger: I thought the file name indicated that
[06:47:00] GTswagger: (tuner #) (channel) (start time) (end time) . nuv ... not sure if I got the end right, but I am pretty sure on tuner / channel at the beginning
[06:50:00] Gumby: 1031_20051212045000_20051212060000.nuv
[06:50:00] Gumby: doesnt look that way to me
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[06:57:00] fith: As a guess, Tuner 1, channel 031, start time 2005/12/12–20:45:00 , etc , etc
[06:57:00] fith: Not sure tho, never had more then one tuner :)
[07:00:00] netrix: i have two tuners, and all mine start with '10'.
[07:00:00] Gumby: yeah, same here
[07:00:00] Gumby: 3 tuners. all start with 10
[07:00:00] fith: So much for that theory then! :)
[07:00:00] Gumby: and the tuners start from 0 and count up
[07:01:00] netrix: fith: it was a good one tho. :)
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[07:25:00] Led-Hed: Anyone still awake?
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[07:40:00] fith: Hmm, has anyone looked at the icons for the weather in canada? On the current conditions page I don't get any graphic... I'm starting to dig through weather.cpp, and thought I'd check. Oh, and I'm using the 0.18-fixes branch
[07:41:00] fith: also the radar map seems a little off (first two frames cover two dates, then the last few are closer together...)
[07:41:00] fith: I'm guessing the weather source just doesn't have as much info (or differently formated info) for canada
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[07:42:00] Led-Hed: I thnik it just strips the images from the html..
[07:42:00] fith: Hmm, good to know, I'll take a look at the URL it's generating and see what's there
[07:44:00] Led-Hed: I believe it takes the Weather Info from weather.com
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[07:51:00] fith: Hmm, I'll have to look closer at this when I'm off over the holidays, maybe I can contribute something back :)
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[08:14:00] poonj: hey guys
[08:14:00] poonj: anyone here use nuvexport?
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[08:14:00] poonj: when I disable yuvdenoise during the transcode
[08:14:00] poonj: ffmpeg just craps out and stops
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[08:35:00] Gumby: anyone here use game emulators at all? looking for some good recomendations
[08:36:00] so_: game recommendations?
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[08:36:00] Gumby: no, emulator recommendations
[08:37:00] so_: I dunno, I always used Mame
[08:37:00] so_: no idea in the mythtv arena though, been a while since I used it
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[09:03:00] Ediehow: hi
[09:03:00] Ediehow: i am having some problems marking all the commercials in a movie so i can remove them on nuvexport
[09:03:00] Ediehow: no matter what, it is keeping a few portions of a second at the beginning and of the end
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[09:09:00] Ediehow: hi
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[09:10:00] Ediehow: i want to remove portions of commercials from a recording
[09:10:00] Ediehow: but it keeps a split second at the beginning of file and at the end
[09:10:00] Ediehow: of commercials
[09:10:00] Ediehow: how do i remove those?
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[10:04:00] eiggirC: I'm making a backup script for a mythtv backend. I've got /var/lib/mysql, /etc and home dirs.... what else needs to be backed up from a backend ?
[10:06:00] eiggirC: I'd rather not backup recordings, so I'm not getting /var/lib/mythtv
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[10:09:00] ** wole waves good morning **
[10:11:00] eiggirC: heya wole
[10:16:00] dagfinnr: seems like the hour format setting in mythweb doesent work..anyone know how i can set this manually?
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[10:20:00] wole: juski: mornin'
[10:21:00] juski: wole: is it?
[10:21:00] juski: suppose it is, though it's a monday (ugh)
[10:22:00] wole: aah, juski – still full of the joys of life as usual ;-)
[10:22:00] wole: it *is* nearly xmas..
[10:23:00] juski: nah I'm just a tad pissed off coz it took me almost an hour to get to work today.. fskin xmas shoppers
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[10:24:00] juski: anyhew, wole – how's it going? you got everything sorted yet, mythtv-wise?
[10:25:00] wole: juski, naah, not played over the weekend, been getting drunk (end of term and all that)
[10:26:00] juski: I've erm.. watched mythtv but not done any theme work. Just a tiny little bit to do & it's taking the longest amount of time
[10:27:00] juski: gonna find out how to block my website to IE users later.. people are still going there looking for my 'crazy frog in a microwave' video
[10:27:00] eiggirC: right now all of mythtv is screwed for all New Zealanders, cos one of the local broadcasters is cracking down on EPG "publication"
[10:27:00] eiggirC: even the EPG data from a DVB-S card
[10:27:00] eiggirC: its... "copyright"
[10:27:00] mchou: juski: huh?? crazy frog?
[10:28:00] juski: eiggirC: that's a bit anal of them
[10:28:00] eiggirC: and your average mythbox is kinda useless without a decent EPG datastream
[10:28:00] eiggirC: juski: yeah – they're probably australians
[10:28:00] juski: mchou: if you don't know what the crazy frog is, be glad! :)
[10:28:00] eiggirC: OH GOD NO NOT THE NING NING NING CRAP!
[10:28:00] ** eiggirC blocks ears and runs away screaming **
[10:29:00] juski: my vid went ding ding ding ding ding.. DING :)
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[10:30:00] juski: that sweety the chick met an early death too. got loads of emails complaining it was cruel. hmm. and playing out millions of adverts on TV & radio so you were incapable of avoiding it, wasn't cruel I suppose
[10:30:00] eiggirC: Is it possible to tell myth that on a certain calendar day, all channels will be commercial free?
[10:31:00] eiggirC: specifically 25th December
[10:31:00] juski: eiggirC: with a cron job that fuzzles some mysql, yeah
[10:31:00] eiggirC: okay thanks – will look into it
[10:32:00] eiggirC: one last dumb question – mysql stores all the myth databases in /var/lib/mysql/mythtvconverg right ?
[10:32:00] juski: yep
[10:32:00] juski: and it's just one database ;)
[10:32:00] eiggirC: thanks – for my backup scripts.
[10:32:00] eiggirC: databases --> tables then
[10:32:00] eiggirC: G;night all.
[10:33:00] eiggirC: thanks for the help juski
[10:33:00] mchou: I just watched the crazy frog. pretty lame
[10:33:00] mchou: axel f. That's so 80s
[10:34:00] juski: mchou: yup. got a bit much when you'd seen the ads for the millionth time though. and the people who actually had it as a phone rington,e – knee-capping is too good for em
[10:34:00] Caveman: someone from my work has it as their ring tone..it's not cool
[10:35:00] mchou: maybe they think they are Eddie Murphy :)
[10:35:00] juski: caveman: you could kill them & prolly get away with it on the grounds of diminished responsibility ;)
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[10:35:00] juski: erm.. shit did I just type that? oops
[10:36:00] Caveman: =)
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: hey all.. got a problem installing mythtv.. i keep getting the following errors when i try an watch tv 2005-12–19 05:37:32.979 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.203 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/tv/ringbuf1.nuv
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.243 LiveTV not successfully started
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.275 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.283 Changing from None to None
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.323 Using protocol version 15
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: 2005-12–19 05:37:33.499 Using protocol version 15
[10:37:00] mchou: wtf!!
[10:37:00] TylerGalus: anyone have any ideas what's causing this?
[10:37:00] juski: oo a chanel flood.
[10:37:00] mchou: TylerGalus: get a fucking clue
[10:38:00] TylerGalus: nice i come here for help and get cursed out
[10:38:00] juski: try reading the channel topic for a start ;)
[10:38:00] mchou: exactly
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[10:39:00] ** wole hands juski a small revolver **
[10:39:00] mchou: goober
[10:40:00] juski: lwole: lol
[10:40:00] juski: or wole, even
[10:41:00] juski: I think I played too much NFS underground at the weekend
[10:41:00] wole: anyone know if you can change the icons in mythweb? it has an icons directory.. Also, i have st the icons field in the database to point to the icon files that i have painstakingly downloaded, but it seems to make _no_ difference at all – how do i turn on icon display in the frontend?
[10:42:00] juski: wole: you very much need to put the icon location in, in the channel aeditor
[10:42:00] juski: *editor
[10:42:00] danieldk: juski: hehe know the feeling – i've been playing NFS MW BE most of my weekend
[10:42:00] mchou: danieldk: is the game any good?
[10:43:00] danieldk: oh – you bet! very addictive
[10:43:00] wole: juski: done that... still no joy
[10:44:00] mchou: danieldk: I like nfs underground. Nice eye candy
[10:44:00] danieldk: I didn't like nfs undergound – bacause of the fact that one is required rice out the rides
[10:44:00] maniacxs: hi yesterday i updated to 8307. now i am unable to use livetv when starting livetv i get this in logs: http://pastebin.ca/34158 i hear for ~1sec the audio of the channel and mythfrontend seems to get SIGKILL.
[10:44:00] mchou: danieldk: yeah, but the physics was good
[10:45:00] juski: wole: if pointing a location to each icon in the channel editor isn;t working, it has to be a permissions issue
[10:46:00] wole: hmmm.
[10:46:00] juski: wole: I have my icons in /usr/share/mythtv/icons – which is symlinked to /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/icons
[10:46:00] ** wole wanders off to check permissions **
[10:47:00] danieldk: mchou: if you liked nfsu and nfsu2 then your gonna love nfs mw! the eyecandy is nothing show of breathtaking
[10:47:00] danieldk: *short
[10:47:00] mchou: nfsu2??
[10:47:00] mchou: what's that?
[10:47:00] danieldk: need for speed underground 2
[10:48:00] mchou: that's the one I didnt like. Physics sucked on that one
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[10:48:00] mchou: danieldk: graphics were lousy too.
[10:48:00] danieldk: hmm i thought they looked the same :)
[10:48:00] Caveman: nfs:mw is tops, graphics are pretty awesome
[10:49:00] mchou: danieldk: no way. graphics on nfsu2 sucked in comparison with nfsu
[10:49:00] danieldk: Caveman: i've been playing it all day yesterday- i just had to get the corvette :-)
[10:49:00] mchou: danieldk: at least the demo of nfsu2 sucked
[10:50:00] poonj: mchou, you have luck with nuvexport?
[10:50:00] mchou: lost all interest in nfs after that demo
[10:50:00] mchou: poonj: dont use it
[10:50:00] poonj: okay
[10:50:00] danieldk: mchou: i've completed both of them.. and didn't notice any difference other than a bit better gameplay in nfsu2
[10:50:00] mchou: danieldk: no way.
[10:51:00] mchou: nfsu2 had this "fuzzy grainy" look.....
[10:51:00] mchou: nfsu was "crisp"
[10:51:00] danieldk: mchou: i HIGHLY recommend nfs:mw – also i didn't like nighter nfsu's
[10:52:00] TylerGalus: so i figured out what i did wrong.. so excuse me for being new.... i've posted my errors to http://pastebin.ca/34159 maybe now someone can help me?
[10:52:00] mchou: MW is daytime?
[10:52:00] danieldk: yes. and changeing weather
[10:52:00] danieldk: and time of day
[10:53:00] mchou: heh, you get rain too in MW?
[10:53:00] mchou: hehe, that sounds like fun.
[10:53:00] mchou: danieldk: you get the PC version or?
[10:53:00] ** wole feels silly cos he put the icons in /mythtv/icons not /usr/share/mythtv/icons **
[10:54:00] juski: TylerGalus: that doesn't tell us much about your setup & what you've done so far – it could be something as simple (erm) as the capture card not working properly. the backend output would be better (try running mythbackend in a console window)
[10:55:00] Caveman: does anyone here use ProjectX?
[10:55:00] juski: Caveman: I was running it yesterday & not having any luck demuxing some DVB-T recordings
[10:56:00] Caveman: where abouts are you based juski? Aussie/New Zealander?
[10:56:00] juski: these same recordings failed to transcode in mythtv btw. I stuffed it all & just deleted them in the end
[10:56:00] juski: Caveman: UK
[10:56:00] danieldk: mchou: yeah – i'm running it on my MAME cabinet= lots of fun — even the girlie likes it..
[10:56:00] juski: Caveman: if you wanna fix DVB-T streams to proper MPEG2 PS, try PVASTrumento :)
[10:57:00] Caveman: then you might appreciate, i'm trying to record the cricket and put them on a DVD for him as he has moved to the states
[10:57:00] TylerGalus: output here http://pastebin.ca/34161 this is new
[10:57:00] mchou: danieldk: ppl say xbox360 textures look better than PC......
[10:58:00] TylerGalus: hmm file is root:root should i delete the lock file?
[10:58:00] Caveman: considering whether i need projectx or whether mythburn will do
[10:58:00] Caveman: i havnt really looked into this before
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[11:00:00] danieldk: mchou: okay – didn't know that... i'll have to check one of those 360's out..
[11:00:00] juski: TylerGalus: does your recordings/ringbuffer directory even exist and does the user you're running mythtv as have permission to write to it?
[11:00:00] danieldk: mchou: start drooling: http://www.ea.com/nfs/mostwanted/us/gateway.jsp
[11:00:00] mchou: danieldk: I'm d/l demo right now.
[11:01:00] mchou: see if it's worth $40 :)
[11:01:00] mchou: or whatever it costs
[11:01:00] ** juski doesn't like uninvited PMs **
[11:02:00] TylerGalus: sorry
[11:02:00] juski: TylerGalus: it's very bad ettiquette to just PM people like that
[11:02:00] mchou: the guy is just full of faux pas :)
[11:04:00] TylerGalus: like i said i'm new.. and i thought the red messages in xchat were PMs i'm adjusting to non-windows stuff still
[11:05:00] juski: TylerGalus: whatever you said in the PM, repeat it in here
[11:06:00] danieldk: okay – so whats the deal with:
[11:06:00] TylerGalus: ok so the directory is set to be r/w by the user running myth but the lock file is root:root... should i not run mythtv-setup as root?
[11:06:00] danieldk: DVB#0 ERROR – Reading Section. (75) Value too large for defined data type
[11:06:00] danieldk: i know it's something with the eit data being too big but thats it..
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[11:07:00] juski: TylerGalus: you run mythtv-setup as a normal user. it says as much in the docs
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[11:07:00] TylerGalus: ok must've missed that.. i should probably remove the lock file that's there right?
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[11:13:00] TylerGalus: ok re-ran setup as normal user.. output from mythbackend at http://pastebin.ca/34164
[11:15:00] juski: TylerGalus: lines 24–25 speak volumes. now _please_ go back to the documentation and _read_ it. If you have problems understanding what you read there, then ask questions
[11:19:00] rordog: hey guys I have a question involving a KnoppMyth R5A26 setup and a DCT-6200 hooked up over firewire
[11:20:00] rordog: i can tune tv just fine on the 6200 input, but if i start recording on the other two inputs (a pvr-500) and then start recording on the 6200, the screen goes black (i can't back out by hitting esc or anything), but nothing has crashed as far as i can tell from the logs
[11:20:00] rordog: any ideas?
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[12:57:00] black_Nightmare: hey
[12:59:00] Fony_Vaio: hola
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[13:00:00] black_Nightmare: whats new fony?
[13:04:00] Fony_Vaio: not much.. actually watching tv finally
[13:04:00] black_Nightmare: ah heh ok
[13:04:00] Fony_Vaio: and finding that there's nothing on worth watching. haha
[13:04:00] black_Nightmare: books or magazines maybe? :p
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[13:07:00] Fony_Vaio: but how does that involve myth. lol
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[13:09:00] black_Nightmare: foxit or something? :p hehe
[13:09:00] black_Nightmare: or just use online articles
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[13:10:00] Fony_Vaio: heh
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[13:31:00] Fony_Vaio: are there any plugin filters or tweaks to increase quality of dvb streams?
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[14:07:00] danieldk: anybody else using sirc?
[14:09:00] danieldk: is tired – no more compiling for atleast a year
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:11:00] danieldk: it's still running tho'
[14:13:00] danieldk: so do they let u guys listen music at work?
[14:13:00] ** Krazylegz watches television at "work" **
[14:13:00] praet: eheh
[14:13:00] danieldk: nice
[14:14:00] Krazylegz: I work from home.
[14:14:00] danieldk: must be nice
[14:14:00] Krazylegz: It's interesting.
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[14:14:00] rjune: danieldk: nice is reletive.
[14:15:00] danieldk: why? you have Discovery?
[14:15:00] rjune: I bet he's got a family
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[14:15:00] Krazylegz: Nope, no family.
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[14:20:00] Fony_Vaio: where are listings held? in the db?
[14:21:00] danieldk: yeah in the programs table
[14:21:00] Fony_Vaio: i've downloaded them from scratch a few times now (seriously boring stuff, about 2hours each time) and still i don't have any program info in mythfrontend
[14:21:00] danieldk: what are you ysing to download them
[14:21:00] danieldk: *using
[14:21:00] Fony_Vaio: tv_grab_uk_rt
[14:21:00] danieldk: oh okay
[14:22:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: do you have the xmltv IDs for each channel set up in the channel editor?
[14:22:00] danieldk: if you are using DVB – then i would suggest grab_dvb
[14:22:00] Fony_Vaio: it does complain in --configure that a few channels aren't found, but it still downloads a huge amount of data when run.
[14:22:00] juski: for without doing that you'll have channels in the guide but no data
[14:22:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: i doubt it... how do i do that?
[14:22:00] juski: the grab will work fine but the net result will be for nought
[14:23:00] Fony_Vaio: danieldk: I'm using dvb-t in the UK.
[14:23:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup. there's a field for the xmltv IDs in there. You need to do that for every channel you wantguide data for
[14:23:00] juski: (or you can use a MYSQL mangler)
[14:24:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: ahh.... fun! how do i know the id's?
[14:24:00] danieldk: like "navicat"
[14:24:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: quite simple when you know where to look. There's a file called chanids which lives within /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt (maybe /usr/local/share... on your distro)
[14:25:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: ok, i'll try it
[14:25:00] juski: and there should be a file called (whatever).xmltv in your ~/.mythtv/ directory – which is where the results on you configuring the grabber in mythtv-setup were saved
[14:26:00] juski: oh sorry I think the file in tv_grab_uk_rt is actually called chan_ids
[14:26:00] juski: anyway you get the idea
[14:26:00] Fony_Vaio: ahh...
[14:26:00] juski: some of them are kinda cryptic, so watch out
[14:26:00] Fony_Vaio: /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids
[14:27:00] juski: that's it
[14:27:00] Fony_Vaio: i catch your drift
[14:27:00] juski: for example my bbc1 is called north-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk
[14:27:00] Fony_Vaio: that's annoying
[14:27:00] juski: it annoyed me until I figured it all out
[14:28:00] Fony_Vaio: else we could have created a global one for each country or something
[14:28:00] Fony_Vaio: ok... i'll trawl through them
[14:28:00] juski: I think folks just assume you know or something
[14:29:00] juski: either that or omni-cognic ;)
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[14:32:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: lol
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[14:33:00] Fony_Vaio: # following channels are only listed for registered users of the RT site :|
[14:34:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: that's rollocks.. the only condition of us using the xml feed is.. that we only use it for ourselves
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[14:34:00] juski: least it was last time I looked
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[14:37:00] Fony_Vaio: aha... good
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[14:38:00] juski: omfg.. Mrs Doubtfire is on this Boxing Day. And I'll be 150 miles away from my mythbox :-(
[14:39:00] rjune: Uhm, why not just rent it for a buck?
[14:39:00] Fony_Vaio: lol
[14:40:00] rjune: or schedule the mythbox to record it
[14:40:00] rjune: hell, I think it's in wal-marts $5 bin
[14:40:00] Fony_Vaio: amazon have a dvd rental service that works out to about £2 per dvd, iirc
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[14:42:00] Fony_Vaio: hmm... i'm getting some errors...
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[14:42:00] Fony_Vaio: i tried updating the xml id of BBC ONE, and it didn't show any data in mythfrontend
[14:45:00] Fony_Vaio: i'm supposed to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend as sudo, right?
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[15:07:00] Fony_Vaio: config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/default.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure
[15:07:00] Fony_Vaio: what am i supposed to be running?
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[15:12:00] danieldk: try running it as mythtv
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[15:13:00] Fony_Vaio: danieldk: dammit. What is the mythtv user password?
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[15:15:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: you don't run mythbackend as a cron job. Maybe mythfilldatabase, but not mythbackend
[15:16:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: after i run mythtv-setup, it asks me to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend
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[15:17:00] GreyFoxx: What is telling you to run that ? some guide ?
[15:17:00] danieldk: and that cron-job contains mythfilldatabase
[15:17:00] Fony_Vaio: GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup
[15:17:00] Fony_Vaio: danieldk: yes, i think so... let me check
[15:18:00] Fony_Vaio: su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: I find it hard to believe that mythtv-setup is specifically pointing to that file unless someone patched it.
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: It normally just says "be sure to run mythfilldatabase" or something similar
[15:18:00] danieldk: GreyFoxx: i think it's standard
[15:19:00] juski: mythbackend is the erm.. mythtv backend daemon, so you'd want that running all the time, not once per day ;)
[15:19:00] Fony_Vaio: GreyFoxx: i'm using the debian packages
[15:19:00] GreyFoxx: danieldk: It might be in someone's package, but "mythtv-backend" cronfile does not come with myth
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[15:20:00] danieldk: GrayFoxx: mine too is from the debian packages :-)
[15:20:00] danieldk: guess thats why..
[15:20:00] Fony_Vaio: GreyFoxx: ok, but the cronfile just contains the command su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"
[15:20:00] juski: I think a package maintainer needs to rename their cron file to prevent confusion
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: juski: I agree
[15:20:00] Fony_Vaio: true
[15:21:00] danieldk: fony: does /home/mythtv/.mythtv/default.xmltv exist
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[15:21:00] Fony_Vaio: danieldk: no
[15:22:00] danieldk:
[15:22:00] Fony_Vaio: in fact, there's no default.xmltv on the system
[15:22:00] danieldk: ahh
[15:22:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: in that case you either didn't run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user, or you haven't finished setting up a 'video source' in mythtv-setup
[15:23:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: umm... i'm sure i ran mythtv-setup as mythtv user
[15:23:00] Fony_Vaio: i did su and then su mythtv
[15:24:00] Fony_Vaio: 'cause the password mythtv doesn't work for the mythtv user.
[15:24:00] juski: I think 'video source' is a confusing term for what it actually is
[15:24:00] danieldk: Juski: yeah
[15:24:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: passwd mythtv ;)
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: Listings source is probably a better one'
[15:24:00] juski: (as su of course)
[15:24:00] Fony_Vaio: i know... but... it says it's the wrong passwd!
[15:25:00] GreyFoxx: Fony_Vaio: He's telling you the command to change the password
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[15:25:00] juski: Fony_Vaio: become superuser with 'su', then do passwd mythtv to change mythtv's password
[15:26:00] danieldk: :-D
[15:26:00] Fony_Vaio: ah, that's better
[15:26:00] Fony_Vaio: i only messed with it 'cause i couldn't login with gdm
[15:27:00] danieldk: Fony: didn't it ask you to change to the terminal windows oence you pressed "finish" in the video-sources
[15:28:00] juski: danieldk: that's just in the SVN version. 0.18 doesn't tell you to
[15:28:00] Fony_Vaio: danieldk: hold on, i'm re-running the setup as mythtv user after clearing settings.
[15:29:00] juski: just like 0.18 doesn't warn you that mythbackend is still running when you enter mythtv-setup
[15:29:00] mjmac: i know this is an ivtv question, but just wondering if anyone has gotten a newish pvr500 with Samsung tuners working...
[15:29:00] Fony_Vaio: yes, it did ask me
[15:29:00] Fony_Vaio: i added "all"
[15:29:00] danieldk: erhm.. i've been running nothing but 18.1 until last night...
[15:30:00] JoeyJoeJo: how do I get mythtv to download the logos for each channel?
[15:30:00] danieldk: Fony: what did you calll your video -source
[15:32:00] danieldk: 'cause it usually names the .xmltv-file <video-sourcename>.xmltv
[15:32:00] juski: JoeyJoeJo: depends which tv listings grabber you use. If you're using zap2it I think it grabs them itself – if not you have to download them yourself & point mythtv at each one on a channel-by-channel basis
[15:33:00] danieldk: time to go home – seeya
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[15:34:00] Fony_Vaio: danielk: I called it "default"
[15:34:00] Fony_Vaio: oh, he's gone.
[15:35:00] juski: so, Fony, you'll have a file called default.xmltv in /home/mythtv/.mythtv now
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[15:36:00] Krazylegz: juski: Mine hasn't downloaded icons, and I use Zap2It. Anything special I need to do?
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[15:36:00] sean33: hi
[15:36:00] juski: Krazylegz: no idea. I just remember reading somewhere that zap2it grabbed icons
[15:36:00] Fony_Vaio: so the XMLTV ID for BBC1 if i live in the SW would be south-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk:103:1 right?
[15:37:00] juski: no, Fony.. just south-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk
[15:37:00] GreyFoxx: There is a script for grabbing the icons. It's in the mythtv.org docs
[15:37:00] sean33: im looking at hardware at the moment to use with mythtv , does the win-tv-pvr-500 MCE work ?
[15:38:00] juski: 103 is a numeric identifier used by the RT website
[15:38:00] GreyFoxx: I'm looking hacking around with writing one to use the lyngsat icons site now which should produce higher res icons and work for a lot more people
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[15:38:00] sean33: there is also a wintv-hvr1300 but im not sure if that works with mythtv
[15:38:00] juski: sean33: allegedly it works very well for some people, but I can't speak from personal experience
[15:38:00] mjmac: sean33: maybe, maybe not. depends on the tuner you get. new(?) pvr500s seem to have Samsung tuners, which aren't supported by ivtv (yet?)
[15:39:00] mjmac: at least, this is my experience as of this morning
[15:39:00] juski: sean33: the hvr1300 isn't supported in Linux _yet_
[15:39:00] juski: but there has been traffic on the v4l mailing list about driver development for the hvr series of cards
[15:39:00] sean33: dam
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[15:39:00] mjmac: so i have this shiny new pvr500 sitting in my basement recording static.  :/
[15:39:00] juski: google can tell you all this
[15:40:00] juski: mjmac: I doubt that'll be the case for long
[15:40:00] mjmac: on TWO channels!  :)
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[15:40:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: thanks, was a tad confused!
[15:40:00] mjmac: juski: latest info i can find is that samsung isn't being forthcoming with specs
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[15:40:00] juski: mjmac: ask the ivtv developers
[15:40:00] mjmac: juski: yeah, i've been over there
[15:40:00] Fony_Vaio: will it download ALL listings whenever i run the dbfill script, or just update them?
[15:41:00] GreyFoxx: Fony_Vaio: First time grabs all, then just updates
[15:41:00] sean33: so how far off is the support for the PVR-500 ?
[15:41:00] juski: mjmac: I've no doubt it'll work in Windows, so it'd hardly be rocket science to sort it out
[15:41:00] mjmac: sean33: it depends... pvr500s with Philips tuners should work fine
[15:41:00] juski: sean33: loads of people are using em
[15:41:00] mjmac: sean33: hard to ask buy.com which tuners are in their pvr500s, tho
[15:42:00] Fony_Vaio: GreyFoxx: ok, thanks. I wouldn't want to have to wait so long each time! lol
[15:42:00] sean33: im buying it from one of my wholesalers in australia
[15:42:00] juski: and Hauppauge are actually helping the ivtv & v4l driver guys
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[15:43:00] sean33: so there are two different versions of the PVR-500
[15:43:00] juski: sean33: chances are the new tuners will be supported before too long
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[15:43:00] mjmac: sean33: well, if you can get them to peek at the card before they ship it, that'd be ideal
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[15:44:00] mjmac: sean33: at least two.  :)
[15:44:00] juski: you can get the tuner working in windows & snoop on what windows is doing with it.. thats how a lot of the video4linux stuff was done wrt tuner support
[15:44:00] mjmac: yeah... if i had time, and windows.  :)
[15:44:00] sean33: yea see im building a mythtv box for one of my mates that has two digital foxtel boxes and a couple of VCR's he has to use 5 remote controls and press 20 buttons to record a program while watching on the other
[15:45:00] mjmac: my myth-backend-to-be is a headless box sitting in the basement.
[15:45:00] sean33: so i was thinking that the PVR-500 would be ideal
[15:45:00] juski: you see my point though... it's quite easy so someone will do it already.. unless they're happy to sit there whining about samsung being no help
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[15:46:00] sean33: i dont supose there is any hardware to replace the foxtel recievers completley ?
[15:47:00] mjmac: juski: i do indeed. i am also confident that as more of the new tuners get out there that we'll have support one way or another. i was just trying to help someone else avoid my fate of wasting a few hours futzing with a card that won't work right now.
[15:47:00] juski: sean33: no way. Foxtel is owned by Murdoch, and his techies are non-too keen on on-foxtel receivers (same as they are about $ky TV)
[15:48:00] netrix: was that the pvr500 that has a samsung tuner that doesent work with ivtv?
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[15:48:00] netrix: i was going to pick up another pvr500, wanna make sure i get one that will work with my current mythtv setup.
[15:49:00] sean33: the tuners look like they have serial ports can they be used to change channels ?
[15:49:00] scanwinder: can someone please suggest a good howto for getting to work in ubuntu breezy with a tv tuner card with bt878 chipset
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[15:50:00] mjmac: netrix: i have a pvr500 with samsung tuners... no worky (right now)
[15:50:00] netrix: mjac: thanks for the tip.
[15:51:00] Fony_Vaio: i love mythtv
[15:51:00] netrix: mjmac: how can i tell which pvr500
[15:51:00] Fony_Vaio: once i've got this all set up nicely, i'm going to demo it to all my friends and try to get them using it, too :D
[15:51:00] sean33: anyone know if the thermaltake media LAB display can be used with mythtv ?
[15:51:00] netrix: er... which pvr500's have samsung and which have phillips tuners?
[15:52:00] mjmac: netrix: unless you can eyeball the card pre-purchase, it's a game of spin-the-wheel-and-pray
[15:52:00] netrix: mjmac: damn, i already played that game once i think when i bought the first one like 4 weeks ago.
[15:53:00] mjmac: netrix: although if you can be reasonably certain that it's been sitting on the shelf for a while you're probably safe.
[15:53:00] netrix: mjmac: is the tuner type written on the tuners on the card?
[15:53:00] mjmac: mind, i am mostly talking out my ass here... i really have no idea, but it's my guess that hauppauge only relatively recently switched to samsung tuners.
[15:53:00] mjmac: given the dearth of support for them
[15:54:00] mjmac: netrix: that is an excellent question. i assume so, but i'll go look at the one in the basement.
[15:55:00] netrix: mjmac: cool, let us know if what you find when you check out the card.
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[15:57:00] sean33: so the philips one works
[15:58:00] mjmac: doesn't say "Samsung" anywhere on the card... the tuners do have a decal identifying them as Rev D487, however. so something before that ought to work, but i don't know where the cutoff is.
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[15:59:00] mjmac: ahh... actually, if you peel back the Hauppauge decal a bit, there is the word "Samsung" stamped on the tuner case.
[15:59:00] foobum: ok, so i've upgraded to HEAD and now my scheduling appears worse than before
[15:59:00] netrix: mjmac: grr... thats what i figured. you'd have to peel back the sticker.
[16:00:00] foobum: i have 3 inputs – one with pref -1 (sky) and two with pref 2 (dvb)
[16:00:00] netrix: hard to get people to do that when you picking them up off ebay or something.
[16:00:00] foobum: and the callsigns match for matching channels
[16:00:00] mjmac: netrix: yeah... i wonder if there's a matrix anywhere on the intarweb of working/nonworking revisions
[16:00:00] foobum: but it insists on recording *everything* from sky
[16:00:00] foobum: anyone know why?
[16:00:00] netrix: mjmac: thanks for checking dude.
[16:00:00] foobum: in 0.18.1 it kinda worked as i expected
[16:03:00] mjmac: netrix: no problem. like i said, much as misery loves company, i'd hate for anyone else to have to experience the same frustration i did at discovering that they have a $140 static recorder.  :/
[16:03:00] mjmac: the static is very nice, though... kind of soothing. eases the pain.
[16:04:00] netrix: mjmac: where did you buy it from?
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[16:06:00] netrix: mjmac: maybe you could hock it on ebay and then pick up another with the proceeds.
[16:06:00] netrix: i was all set to buy another card on ebay myself today, but i am not so sure now. =)
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[16:07:00] quicksilver: Just got myth working for the first time last night. I'm trying to get my head around this XMLTV stuff. It seems that for UK users, the radiotimes XMLTV feed can't map properly to the chanids? or something like that?
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[16:09:00] mjmac: netrix: htpc.com or somesuch... i'm not too worried about it. i have so little free time that by the time i get around to messing with it again ivtv will probably support it.  :)
[16:09:00] jono: hi all
[16:10:00] jono: juski, you there pal?
[16:10:00] juski: quicksilver: it's not rocket science ;)
[16:10:00] juski: aye aye jono
[16:10:00] quicksilver: juski: is what I say approx the correct description?
[16:10:00] mjmac: i guess i can still play with the mediamvp thinger... dump a few DVDs on the myth backend
[16:11:00] mjmac: anyone else use the mvp?
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: I have one
[16:11:00] juski: quicksilver: each channel on the Radio Times website has a unique number. the xmltvID is a more user-friendly name for that number
[16:12:00] quicksilver: juski: ok, I see
[16:12:00] jono: juski, I reverted to the existing tveeprom from the kernel, and now the dvb card and pvr-350 drivers load, but no video on the pvr-350
[16:12:00] quicksilver: juski: and the default tools don't set up the mapping between those?
[16:12:00] juski: quicksilver: you can find a list of all the xmltv IDs for all the channels the radiotimes website carries in /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids
[16:13:00] juski: jono: bah :( try the ivtv mailing list
[16:13:00] mjmac: GreyFoxx: you've gotten mvpmc booted on it? is it usable?
[16:13:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: no, you have to do it manually. afaik
[16:13:00] jono: juski, I may just move to a newer kernel
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: mjmac: I've been using mvpmc with myth for a year now, works pretty well
[16:13:00] juski: quicksilver: you have to enter them by yourself. No great hardship seen as you only have to do it once
[16:13:00] quicksilver: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php <--- looks like a promising script for setting up the mapping
[16:13:00] mjmac: neat
[16:13:00] jono: juski, it seems 2.6.14 and ivtv 0.4.0 may fix these problems
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: haven't used it in the last month or so cause mvpmc isn't caught up to the svn changes
[16:13:00] quicksilver: juski: ok
[16:14:00] juski: jono: I said that ages ago ;)
[16:14:00] quicksilver: juski: when is the 'best' time to do this? after the first DVB scan and before the first time I runn mythfilldb?
[16:14:00] jono: juski, yeah, but I think I may actually do this
[16:14:00] jono: :)
[16:14:00] juski: quicksilver: yup
[16:14:00] quicksilver: thanks
[16:15:00] juski: or you can just use DVB EIT (aka 'use on air guide')
[16:15:00] quicksilver: juski: does that work in 0.18.1?
[16:15:00] juski: very much so
[16:15:00] juski: also works in SVN
[16:15:00] ** quicksilver nods **
[16:15:00] juski: but not for everybody
[16:15:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: the only thing to remember if use use a mapping script of some sort is that some channels have regional listings, such as bbc, etc.
[16:16:00] quicksilver: Auto-scan didn't work for me either
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[16:16:00] juski: only snag with EIT data is that you only get 7 days' data (at best), and movies don't get star ratings
[16:16:00] quicksilver: I had to manually set up some paramters according to my channels.conf file I got out of running 'scan' from the commandline
[16:16:00] juski: quicksilver: in my experience you need to tell the scanner to start at a mux.. which you can glean from a channels.conf
[16:17:00] quicksilver: Do you know how to workout a mux frequency from the published 'ch' numbers?
[16:17:00] quicksilver: I'd like to try sudbury, which is slightly closer to me than crystal palace
[16:18:00] jono: juski, where did you read about the fix in the newer kernel?
[16:18:00] quicksilver: but there isn't a uk-sudbury file coming with 'scan'
[16:18:00] juski: quicksilver: it's listed on the ITC website I think.. or is it OFCOM?
[16:18:00] quicksilver: I found something, but it wasn't the kind of number I was expecting
[16:18:00] quicksilver: Sudbury E/W H 49 – 7.0 68 – 8.1 48 – 5.0 39 – 7.5 54 – 1.5 50 – 1.1
[16:18:00] juski: and besides, the OFCOM & BBC sites tell you what the frequency is
[16:19:00] quicksilver: I must have been being stupid, but I couldn't find it
[16:19:00] quicksilver: I found the ofcom page for sudbury
[16:19:00] quicksilver: but it didn't have a 9-digit frequency number
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[16:19:00] quicksilver: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/reception_advi . . . teID=54.html
[16:19:00] juski: quicksilver: knowing the channels sometimes isn't enough – some TX sites are offset by 166khz
[16:20:00] juski: jono: was just a hunch.. can't remember where I read about it
[16:20:00] quicksilver: oops doubled up that URL :) that's the ofcom page for sudbury
[16:20:00] quicksilver: but I don't know how to extract freq info from those numbers
[16:20:00] jono: juski, oh, so has it been proven that it fixes it?
[16:21:00] juski: jono: no idea
[16:21:00] quicksilver: juski: for example: channel 49, offset + 167khz
[16:21:00] juski: quicksilver: there's a site to help with that
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[16:22:00] quicksilver: juski: any idea where?
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[16:22:00] juski: quicksilver: google for 'uk tv channel frequency'.. try the 1st hit
[16:22:00] Fony_Vaio: i got mine from the scan utility in mytheatre (windows).. so lazy i am.
[16:22:00] juski: clipboard isn't working over my vnc connection
[16:23:00] quicksilver: ok
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[16:25:00] quicksilver: so, chan 49 = 695.25 Mhz = 695250000 hz then add the offset to get 695416670 ?
[16:25:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: try 833000000 8MHz
[16:25:00] juski: quicksilver: yup
[16:25:00] Fony_Vaio: i had to give 8mhz manually in order to get mine to scan properly
[16:25:00] quicksilver: cool
[16:26:00] quicksilver: Fony_Vaio: yes, me too
[16:26:00] quicksilver: according to the BBC I'm not even in a reception area :( but I never knew this and I've been using my STB for 6 months happily...
[16:26:00] quicksilver: then recently I have lost one entire mux, losing ITV + chan $
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[16:26:00] juski: all UK DVB channels are 8MHz, 2k transmission mode
[16:27:00] juski: quicksilver: don't expect too much from your PCI card then.. they usually have less sensitive tuners than STBs
[16:27:00] quicksilver: My cards are hybrid, and I have two, I might have to get mythtv to treat one as an analogue card to record ITV + chan 4
[16:27:00] quicksilver: juski: so far it seems to be picking up all the channels that my STB can
[16:28:00] Fony_Vaio: # Anglea Region Sudbury
[16:28:00] Fony_Vaio: # T 833000000 8MHz 3/4 NONE QAM16 2K 1/32 NONE
[16:28:00] quicksilver: I have one of these cheap one-for-all signal booster/splitters
[16:28:00] juski: hybrid cards supported by Linux? since when?
[16:28:00] quicksilver: juski: ah? they aren't?
[16:28:00] juski: and boosters can make things much worse
[16:28:00] quicksilver: Fony_Vaio: where id you get that from?
[16:28:00] juski: quicksilver: which card?
[16:28:00] quicksilver: juski: compro videomate DVB-T300
[16:29:00] juski: ahh I think that one's ok
[16:30:00] quicksilver: juski: it's a saa7134 as I understand it with DVB being handled by a saa7146 but I might well have misunderstood
[16:30:00] quicksilver: I had to compile v4l/dvb from CVS, used one of their downloadable snapshots
[16:31:00] juski: who was it with the PVR500 and Samsung tuner earlier? try ivtv 0.5.0 or newer
[16:34:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: sorry, didn't see your message. about half way down this page: http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs/lofiversion . . . p?t4481.html
[16:34:00] quicksilver: Fony_Vaio: thanks
[16:35:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: np
[16:35:00] Fony_Vaio: it looks old, but i couldn't see a newer one to hand.
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[16:36:00] Krazylegz: juski: Would you mind helping me out for a minute?
[16:36:00] wole: can someone in the uk do me a favour?
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[16:37:00] wole: run ' mplayer -identify -frames 0 *filename.nuv* 2
[16:37:00] wole: replacing *filename.nuv* with one of your nuf files in the tv directory
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[16:38:00] wole: and tell me what values you get for ID_VIDEO_WIDTH and ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT
[16:38:00] Fony_Vaio: does anyone get a couple of MYSQL INSERT errors whilst running filldb?
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: Fony_Vaio: Running MySQL 5 ?
[16:39:00] Fony_Vaio: GreyFoxx: not sure.. i'll check
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[16:41:00] Fony_Vaio: mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.15, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[16:41:00] Fony_Vaio: my system has slowed to a crawl due to the rt listings dl
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: ok, it's not the error I thought it might have been then
[16:42:00] Fony_Vaio: i have tried to run this a few times before, so... could be something to do with it
[16:42:00] Fony_Vaio: Duplicate entry 'Gaby Dellal, Stephen Hopkins, Bob Hoskins' for key 2
[16:42:00] Fony_Vaio: Error inserting person
[16:42:00] Fony_Vaio: doesn't look critical
[16:43:00] wole: fony_vaio: i get that, it's working...
[16:43:00] Fony_Vaio: wole: thanks
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[16:44:00] juski: Krazylegz: what's up?
[16:45:00] juski: wole: UK DVB-T is 720x576 and nothing else
[16:45:00] quicksilver: Fony_Vaio: that file is wierd, because 833 supposedly isn't one of the valid channel freqs :) still I will try it when I get home.
[16:46:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: should i run X in that resolution, will it increase quality (and remove the need for deinterlacing) on my lcd?
[16:46:00] juski: it'll never do away with the need to deinterlace
[16:46:00] juski: unless your display & video card can do interlaced display modes
[16:46:00] Fony_Vaio: quicksilver: lol – no idea... as i said, i ended up using a util in windows to go through loads of frequencies until i found one that worked, and then used it as my reference starting frequency in mythtv.
[16:46:00] wole: juski: yeah, so why does my system report w:544 h:576
[16:47:00] juski: wole: from which channel?
[16:47:00] wole: juski: all of them :/
[16:47:00] juski: hmmm
[16:47:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: i doubt it can. it's a laptop with an ATI M345 (Radeon 7500?) gpu and 15.4" wxga x-black tft.
[16:47:00] juski: maybe 544x576 is the 4:3 version of 720x576, but amorphic
[16:47:00] wole: juski: i mean, i could just hard code the transcoding to the correct res, but it's not right..
[16:48:00] wole: maybe this code is set up for ntsc..
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: wole: What kind of capture card ?
[16:49:00] juski: wole: I doubt it. NTSC is x * 480 lines
[16:49:00] juski: GreyFoxx: dvb-t
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[16:49:00] wole: juski:hauppauge nova-t pci
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, so it's not something under your control anyway
[16:49:00] wole: no..
[16:49:00] juski: wole: just don't tell it the res.. shouldn't it just do the transcode without resizing?
[16:50:00] wole: yeah, but it comes out all ... square
[16:50:00] juski: then it might need to know it's 16:9
[16:50:00] wole: displays fine with mythfrontend
[16:50:00] wole: aah
[16:51:00] wole: it reports that the aspect is 0.00000
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[16:51:00] juski: square pixels :)
[16:51:00] juski: which DVB-T aint
[16:51:00] wole: so if i hard code an aspect ratio...
[16:52:00] juski: err maybe not.. coz 4:3 DVB-T recordings will get screwed
[16:52:00] wole: true
[16:52:00] juski: and AFAIK the aspect ratio is present in the DVB-T stream
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[16:52:00] juski: I mean VLC player knows what aspect to display recordings in
[16:53:00] wole: maybe it's just mplayer not seing it in the file – i could try something else to analyse the file
[16:53:00] wole: yeah
[16:53:00] juski: erm.. VLC
[16:53:00] wole: ok, i'll have a go.
[16:53:00] juski: show stream info option
[16:54:00] Krazylegz: juski: Nevermind, I figured it out. Thanks.
[16:54:00] juski: that said, mplayer gets it right too
[16:54:00] juski: just maybe not on the commandline
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[16:57:00] juski: time to go home methinks. NFS-U is calling me
[16:57:00] Fony_Vaio: juski: later
[16:57:00] quicksilver: juski: thansk for all the help
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: w
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: oops
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[16:58:00] Fony_Vaio: lol
[16:59:00] Fony_Vaio: virc? :P
[16:59:00] GreyFoxx: BitchX
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[17:04:00] foobum: grr... myth seems to totally ignore my "input preference" settings :(
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[17:05:00] foobum: it happily schedules on input 1 despite two other inputs with higher input preferences
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[17:10:00] flexy: I just got dvb-t premium card... and about to change from .deb to svn version. DVB premium card has a spdif out and I'm wondering about the compilation... Do I need to get alsa support somehow activated in configure?
[17:11:00] Fony_Vaio: svn? what's the advantage of changing version?
[17:12:00] flexy: .debs have not upgradet in ages and the maintainer quit with the packages...
[17:12:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: yeah, that's what i'm using from the mythtv.old repository.
[17:12:00] Fony_Vaio: have there been many updates since?
[17:13:00] quicksilver: I'm using 18.1 built from source
[17:13:00] flexy: dunno, but I looked at the menus, did not find anything about using dvb-t premium cards tv out...
[17:13:00] quicksilver: what are the advantages of SVN from a user-perspective
[17:13:00] quicksilver: flexy: I doubt mythtv version has all that much to do with card support
[17:13:00] flexy: thought that in newer versions there might be something
[17:14:00] quicksilver: flexy: AFAIK that's all down to kernel
[17:14:00] quicksilver: if you kernel recognises your card, it creates the devices right and myth just uses them
[17:14:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: check the changelogs before you go through all that compiling, imho.
[17:15:00] flexy: quicksilver: yep, but in menus, there is a option to use pvr350 cards tv out. even though that one too is in kernel
[17:15:00] flexy: quicksilver: also the built in HW decoder?
[17:16:00] flexy: Fony_Vaio: well, there is one thing I would like to get... subtitling. they've got that one working, I believe.
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[17:16:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: ah, that'd be kewl. Does it work with livetv or only dvd's?
[17:17:00] quicksilver: flexy: ok I'm not sure then, but I'd certainly try to find out before tryign it :)
[17:17:00] flexy: livetv, from dvb stream
[17:17:00] flexy: quicksilver: I'm thinking that over, it seems
[17:18:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: that'd be really nice.. my fiance uses subs all the time. :D
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[17:18:00] flexy: but I payed a lot of money to get a premium card with tv out in rgb... would certainly like to use it also
[17:19:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: there's a lot of normal pc graphics cards that are capable of doing rgb out, but most of them don't have the physical output connections. I saw one site that were modding new (radeon, iirc) cards and selling them with rgb output. pretty kewl.
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[17:20:00] Fony_Vaio: still, if you have it now on your tv card i guess you want to use it :D
[17:21:00] flexy: Fony_Vaio: yes, and I've grown weary with these binary only cards... and already one tv out card (nvidia) stopped working... otherwise OK, but tv out went blank.
[17:21:00] flexy: yes, I do.
[17:21:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: really?? doesn't work in windows, either? like, hardware tv out death?
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[17:23:00] flexy: hw tv out died. I have no windows, so can't say much better
[17:23:00] flexy: it worked for 6 months, perhaps.
[17:23:00] flexy: cigarrette time now
[17:24:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: never come across that before. interesting. do you think it might have been the drivers fault or possibly some kinda hardware issue like cabling / grounding, etc?
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[17:27:00] Fony_Vaio: i've come across a few pieces of equipment where the a/v connections weren't properly grounded, you'd actually feel them grounding through you even.
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[17:33:00] flexy: Fony_Vaio: it worked for a long time, then it stopped working... I don't think I changed anything... it just stopped working. the display side continued to work, but I decided it's time to move on. Now I got a proper card, would like to get the most of it in to usage...
[17:34:00] Fony_Vaio: hmm... interesting
[17:34:00] Fony_Vaio: i work in a pc repair workshop, so i'm always interested in why things go wrong :D
[17:35:00] flexy: must be the HW side. Anyway, I won't play with these crappy cards anymore, want to get the premium card in full use
[17:35:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: good idea. anything about it in the changelogs?
[17:36:00] flexy: I'm also HW dude, but these bubble gum recipes, I don't want to play with them in the long run
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[17:36:00] EnterUserName: woo hoo
[17:36:00] Fony_Vaio: flexy: I know what you mean... it can be tiresome, especially when they're not stable.
[17:37:00] flexy: don't really know. debs have not upgraded in ages, that's why I thought of svn
[17:39:00] danieldk: jebus! i've been compiling since saturday and now i find that it's runnig in a loop every 2 minutes or so the same dir scrolls by .. jeesh
[17:39:00] Fony_Vaio: doh!
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[17:40:00] flexy: I really would like to stay with .debs, they're pretty easy, but I really want to use my new hw also
[17:40:00] danieldk: yeah well i'm compiling 5.5GB so i figured it just took time...
[17:40:00] _EdmGuy_: so I have a working setup where I can see the video on the computer monitor, but all I get on the tv is a dark blue screen, the menus, etc show up okay though
[17:42:00] _EdmGuy_: any ideas?
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[17:43:00] kothog: get a better video card. geforce mx4000/4400 is nice and cheap and works well.
[17:43:00] flexy: anyone here with dvb premium card?
[17:43:00] laga: kothog: you can't be sure his video card is broken.
[17:43:00] kothog: it's not broken.
[17:43:00] laga: kothog: suggesting him to buy a new video card without actually trying to troubleshoot his problem is silly.
[17:43:00] _EdmGuy_: interesting suggestion, :) been trying to do it on a budget so far :)
[17:44:00] _EdmGuy_: but that is certainly something I was looking at
[17:44:00] Fony_Vaio: _EdmGuy_: what is your graphics card?
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[17:44:00] poop: Anyone using spdif in on their soundcard?
[17:45:00] flexy: poop: I am, or atleast was
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[17:45:00] kothog: but I've been forced to deal with the blue screen stuff so often it's just not worth the effort to troubleshoot his problem. it's better worth his time to simply buy a 4000/4400. really: it's not worth the time involved in fixing the issue and tweaking xv to the user's satisfaction.
[17:45:00] poop: flexy: What card was it? Would it take both pcm and ac3?
[17:45:00] flexy: poop: oh, sorry, spdif out...
[17:45:00] kothog: mx4000 is less than $30. =]
[17:45:00] _EdmGuy_: about $50 here, the $40 version isn't available anyumore
[17:46:00] kothog: $50 what denomination?
[17:46:00] _EdmGuy_: the $30 -> $40 thing is US->CDN
[17:46:00] flexy: poop: really old sb live
[17:46:00] _EdmGuy_: too bad realy, for instance the program guide comes up, without the preview video on the TV :)
[17:47:00] Fony_Vaio: _EdmGuy_: sounds like an overlay problem...?
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[17:49:00] _EdmGuy_: yup probably some overlay problem, who knows
[17:50:00] _EdmGuy_: no idea how to fix it :)
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[17:50:00] Fony_Vaio: _EdmGuy_: maybe google your graphics chip + mythtv or something...?
[17:51:00] kothog: edmguy: the problem can be solved with a free xv tuning utility, the name of which escapes me at the moment, along with a tweak or two to your xorg.conf (depending on whether you're running nvidia or not). getting the outer annoying blue borders gone permanently, on the other hand, will be too difficult to be worth it. until those are gone, you'll always be disappointed with the results.
[17:51:00] _EdmGuy_: outer blue border?
[17:51:00] _EdmGuy_: okay sounds good
[17:51:00] laga: the outer blue borders? from what i'Ve heard, you can always fix them with xvattr.
[17:52:00] juski: howdy doody
[17:52:00] flexy: anyone here with dvb premium card?
[17:52:00] laga: guten tag juski ;)
[17:52:00] juski: flexy: is there an echo in here?
[17:52:00] laga: flexy: what's a premium card?
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[17:53:00] juski: hiya laga :)
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[17:53:00] juski: flexy: is your card one of them doozies with a video output on it? that is – it's like set top box on a PCI card...?
[17:53:00] flexy: juski: sure. laga: a dvb card with built in hw decoder for mpeg stream
[17:53:00] laga: hw decoder? you mean, including tv-out?
[17:54:00] flexy: juski: like pvr350, but to be used with digital tv
[17:54:00] juski: mythtv doesn't support em as far as I know.. well not the _output_ side at least
[17:54:00] kothog: laga: xvattr seems to be only temporary. running mplayer seems to make the borders come back. you have to fiddle with xorg.conf and the nvidia-specific tv parameters..
[17:54:00] flexy: laga: including tv-out and doing it with hw. the decoding of mpeg stream, I mean
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[17:54:00] juski: they're more for VDR I think (blech)
[17:54:00] laga: no, mythtv can't use its output. and these cards are umm rather obsolete. man vdr. ;)
[17:55:00] flexy: laga: I've been using myth over a year now, would like to stay with it... but perhaps I can't, it seems. in any case, .deb maintainer of myth has quit, so perhaps vdr would be a better choice for debian right now
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[17:56:00] laga: flexy: hehe. the .debs will be hosted on marillat. beavis can tell you more.
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[17:57:00] Beirdo: you don't need .debs
[17:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:57:00] Beirdo: compile it
[17:58:00] flexy: laga: ok, so, will the old repository move to marillat or will there be updates to packages also?
[17:58:00] laga: flexy: marillat will have mythtv packaged for debian, that's all i can tell
[17:58:00] flexy: Beirdo: yep, I'm thinking of it. seems that documentation for that is not clear enough for me...
[17:58:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:58:00] Beirdo: OK then
[17:59:00] Beirdo: anyways, I got a meeting
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[17:59:00] Beirdo: damn this work nonsense
[17:59:00] flexy: Beirdo: ok, perhaps I'll ask hints later :)
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[18:00:00] laga: flexy: compiling mythtv is quite easy. BTW, you can substitute "mythtv" with "mythtv.old" in mdz's repository URL. there, you can get the source packages
[18:00:00] flexy: Beirdo: does myth know how to use dvb premium tv out?
[18:00:00] laga: flexy: no, it does not. you've just been told that it won't work. by two people
[18:00:00] flexy: laga: yes, I know that. but the sources are still quite old, are they not?
[18:00:00] laga: flexy: mythtv 0.18.1 is 0.18.1 ;). 0.18.1 is the latest release
[18:01:00] flexy: laga: allways doubt the negative news a little... ;)
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[18:01:00] netrix: cool. i just got mythfrontend running under a nfsrooted frontend inside vmware.
[18:01:00] laga: netrix: ha! i've got mythfrontend on an nfsroot on a real computer! ;)
[18:02:00] netrix: laga: lol.
[18:02:00] flexy: laga: I have the same setup here :)
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[18:02:00] laga: netrix: you were the guy who was going to write a HOWTO on this subject, right?
[18:02:00] netrix: okay i have three frontends running on real computers, plus the vmware one. so double hah.
[18:02:00] netrix: laga: yeah. i have a lot of the rough docs done.
[18:02:00] laga: darn, you beat me. ;)
[18:02:00] netrix: laga: just not sure if they are good enough to post.
[18:02:00] laga: netrix: sounds cool.
[18:03:00] laga: netrix: are you working with the debian nfsroot packages?
[18:03:00] netrix: laga: yeah, ubuntu with the diskless package.
[18:03:00] flexy: laga: well, I thought (not knowing for real) that premium card is not so much different from PVR350... Do you know if there is work going on to get premium cards tv out included in myth?
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: flexy: No there isn't
[18:04:00] laga: netrix: that's what i ment. if you'd like, i could take a look at your stuff :)
[18:04:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: oh damn. bad news for me.
[18:04:00] netrix: laga: sure. maybe you can suggest where i can post it.
[18:04:00] laga: netrix: laga@laga.ath.cx  :)
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[18:04:00] netrix: laga: it's bascially just a dump of the commands i used to get it going on a ubuntu install with the server option.
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[18:05:00] netrix: laga: need to add the verbose information to make it more readable.
[18:05:00] netrix: laga: also, home directories are on nfs, but i need to refine the setup of them. i think i will need NIS.
[18:05:00] laga: netrix: make sure to be very verbose, some of this stuff can be confusing.
[18:06:00] netrix: laga: yeah, and it's even more confusing with the nfsroot stuff.
[18:06:00] laga: yep, NIS is very nice (from what i've read). but aren't there some umm security concerns?
[18:06:00] laga: netrix: right.
[18:06:00] laga: netrix: i'm quite glad you beat me to it. now i don't have the trouble ;)
[18:06:00] netrix: laga: where you thinking of making a similar one? ie, debian and diskless?
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[18:07:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: what's the main differences between dvb premium cards tv out and pvr350 tv out? In the SW side? Or is it just that nobody uses premium cards anymore?
[18:07:00] laga: netrix: right! we've been talking about it a few weeks ago
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[18:07:00] netrix: heh... i am watching live tv on my vmware based fontend.
[18:07:00] netrix: maybe i can finally get this test frontend box out of my office now.
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[18:07:00] laga: good luck
[18:08:00] netrix: laga: yeah i definately remember your nick.
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: flexy: 1 big difference is that the pvr350 has drivers that allow X to be displayed on the TV portion of the card, and unless I'm wrong there is no such driver/option currently with any of the dvb cards
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[18:08:00] netrix: laga: where is a good place to post my doc?
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[18:09:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: OK. so, I did a nice mistake... I bought a expensive card _presuming_ it would work with myth... :I
[18:09:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: learning money, it seems... :)
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: feel free to send it to me :) I'd play with it if I had one :)
[18:10:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: right :)
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[18:11:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: you've not gone back to work on getting X on dxr3 card tv out?
[18:12:00] GreyFoxx: Nope, I had it working before a drive failure lost all of the final source and haven't bothered to look at it again since
[18:12:00] GreyFoxx: It's not high on my list :)
[18:13:00] flexy: GreyFoxx: Yeah, I remember it... and I nagged something about backups to you... :D
[18:14:00] laga: netrix: umm. well, www.mythtv.info is the unofficial mythtv wiki, but it's a big mess. you could post it at www.mythtvtalk.com, on the mailing list (mythtv-users) and of course you could try to get it included into the official mythtv HOWTO
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: my backups of that particular directory were not current with what I lost. It just haven't bothered to look at it again since :)
[18:14:00] netrix: laga: okay, i will try to clean it up over xmas and post it to one of those.
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: and eitherway, if I took the time I could redo it, the hardpart was doing it the first time :)
[18:15:00] netrix: laga: i hope someone can run through it and find the gaps that need more info 'n stuff.
[18:15:00] flexy: I was waiting for your work to get done for quite a while... and the when I heard the bad news, I bought a nvidia card... it got borken some time ago, so I thought that money will make the difference... it seems that best thing would have been to buy a big tv with DVI input...
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[18:15:00] laga: netrix: sounds good :)
[18:16:00] netrix: laga: i take it you already have a whole mythtv+diskless system going?
[18:17:00] laga: netrix: more or less. i set it up, but i'm not using because i yet have to get nice playback out of this shitty machine ;)
[18:18:00] geoff__998e: laga: what machine?
[18:18:00] laga: netrix: but i'm quite interested in having it well-documented because it's just a very useful feature
[18:18:00] laga: geoff__998e: a p3 450mhz.
[18:18:00] geoff__998e: :)
[18:19:00] geoff__998e: I run on a celeron 450
[18:19:00] laga: i'm having trouble with XvMC on this machine. it used to work ;)
[18:19:00] geoff__998e: yay for shitty machines
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[18:19:00] geoff__998e: what version?
[18:19:00] laga: of mythtv?
[18:19:00] netrix: laga: no kidding. the hardest part was figuring out the order of the steps. when it's set up it's easy to add frontends and make adjustments tho.
[18:19:00] geoff__998e: yeah
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[18:19:00] laga: netrix: yep! and to get the kernel fixed ;)
[18:20:00] laga: geoff__998e: i'm usually running SVN head
[18:20:00] geoff__998e: but xvmc is broken for you?
[18:20:00] netrix: laga: even that is pretty easy when you know what opts. to turn on. thats in my doc too.
[18:20:00] laga: geoff__998e: not broken, it just uses way more cpu cycles than it should
[18:20:00] geoff__998e: hmmm
[18:20:00] geoff__998e: are you using the 8xxx series Nvidia drivers?
[18:20:00] laga: netrix: nice. well, i followed several docs at the same time which mislead me often.
[18:21:00] geoff__998e: because there is a known issue with high cpu use and the 8xxx driver
[18:21:00] laga: geoff__998e: nope. i believe i'm running 7xxx or 6xxx, it's been some since i got to play with this machine. i'll hopefully find some spare time during my christmas break
[18:21:00] geoff__998e: :)
[18:21:00] laga: geoff__998e: yeah, i know. broken opengl vsync
[18:21:00] geoff__998e: also, when you get a chance, turn on the chromakey osd
[18:21:00] laga: did that. doesn't help with playback, though.
[18:21:00] geoff__998e: gives the xvmc more buffers to play weith
[18:22:00] geoff__998e: with
[18:22:00] laga: it just uses more buffers to make the OSD, doesn't it?
[18:22:00] netrix: laga: grr, lost 'yer email. what is again?
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[18:22:00] laga: netrix: laga@laga.ath.cx
[18:22:00] geoff__998e: Notorious, it takes the 2 buffers that were used for osd and returns them to the video decoding
[18:22:00] laga: netrix: i can't promise anything, though. ;)
[18:22:00] geoff__998e: then the osd is drawn on the background instead
[18:23:00] laga: geoff__998e: really? nice. but i actually took some benchmarks and it didn't show a difference between chromakey OSD and the normal one.
[18:23:00] geoff__998e: helps on slow machines like ours where latency is an issue
[18:23:00] geoff__998e: less likely to get a prebuffer pause
[18:23:00] netrix: laga: np. i will just fire over what i have thus far, tell me what you think. like i said it's just a step by step list of the commands i ran. but i could build the doc based on this pretty easily.
[18:23:00] geoff__998e: I can play dvd quality @ 55% with the chromakey
[18:24:00] laga: playback works fine with XvMC when i've overclocked the box to 600mhz, but that gives me problems with heat ;)
[18:24:00] netrix: i rean thru it myself like 5 times now, so it's pretty solid. but i am sure other people working from it will have questions.
[18:24:00] laga: geoff__998e: sounds good. what nvidia card, what driver?
[18:25:00] laga: netrix: maybe i'll just redo my setup following your instructions. with debian sarge, though, but it should be the same
[18:25:00] geoff__998e: umm 4mx maybe?
[18:25:00] geoff__998e: I forget
[18:25:00] laga: i have a 4mx as well ;)
[18:25:00] jams: netrix- want another pair of eyes to look at it?
[18:25:00] geoff__998e: but the 7676 driver is the best I've tried
[18:25:00] geoff__998e: agp?
[18:25:00] laga: yep, agpo
[18:25:00] laga: agp*
[18:25:00] laga: 7676. thanks. will try that one
[18:25:00] geoff__998e: make sure it is actually running at 2 or 4x
[18:26:00] geoff__998e: otherwise, all your pci bandwith will go down the drain
[18:26:00] laga: geoff__998e: ok ;)
[18:26:00] laga: why should it affect the PCI bus when i'm running the AGP bus at 1x speed?
[18:26:00] geoff__998e: thought I have had it working on another celeron 450 with a pci 4mx
[18:26:00] geoff__998e: because agp is part of the pci bus
[18:27:00] geoff__998e: just clocked faster
[18:27:00] geoff__998e: but still has to compete with the rest of the bus
[18:27:00] laga: really? sounds like shitty chipset design to me. ;)
[18:27:00] geoff__998e: heh
[18:27:00] geoff__998e: yeah
[18:27:00] kormoc: uhh
[18:27:00] laga: geoff__998e: what chipset/motherboard are you using?
[18:27:00] kormoc: it doesn't compete with the rest of the bus
[18:28:00] kormoc: while it is just a faster pci bus
[18:28:00] geoff__998e: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX – 82443LX/EX
[18:28:00] kormoc: it is it's a seperate bus and the pci is a seperate bus
[18:28:00] laga: 440lx? i have a bx, should be even better
[18:28:00] kormoc: if you don't beleive me, lspci and look at the major number
[18:28:00] laga: kormoc: thanks for clarifying
[18:28:00] geoff__998e: hmmm, then why do I have video problems when the pci bus is busy?
[18:29:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, donno... Might be IRQ conflicts, but agp at 2x will use twice the bandwidth at 1x, so it should cause your problems to worsen if that was the case
[18:29:00] geoff__998e: geoff@itchy:~$ lspci |grep Nvidia
[18:29:00] geoff__998e: geoff@itchy:~$
[18:29:00] geoff__998e: :( hmmm its not showing up at all, very strange?
[18:29:00] kormoc: not at all
[18:29:00] kormoc: try
[18:29:00] kormoc: grep -i nvidia
[18:30:00] kormoc: or grep nVidia
[18:30:00] geoff__998e: there we go
[18:30:00] geoff__998e: I guess you are right
[18:31:00] geoff__998e: this is the article that made me think they were all the same bus: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-hw2.html
[18:33:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, of course, what all do you have on your pci bus? it could just be waiting on a resource (raid/ide controler, or what not).
[18:34:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, yeah, irq's are shared by the agp/pci bus, but that's not related to bandwidth
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[18:35:00] geoff__998e: I have 17 devices under lspci
[18:35:00] geoff__998e: http://wireless.kicks-ass.org/phpsysinfo
[18:36:00] geoff__998e: but today is the last day on this system
[18:37:00] kormoc: so in what way do you have video issues?
[18:37:00] geoff__998e: I am moving from oregon to colorado and there is no room for it in the car
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[18:37:00] kormoc: that's crappy
[18:37:00] geoff__998e: well, I get all sorts of prebuffer pauses
[18:37:00] netrix: laga: sending it via email now.
[18:37:00] geoff__998e: yeah it is... but I 'm saving the 600 g of drives, my pvr 500 and my nvidia card
[18:38:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, that's more an issue with harddrive speed or capture cards stepping on each other. That buffer is not realted to the videocard.
[18:38:00] geoff__998e: when using a pci card however, there are way more of them
[18:38:00] juski: woo with this NFS I'm never gonna get anything done ;)
[18:39:00] geoff__998e: and when I turned on cromakey, there are way fewer when the extra 2 buffers are used for video decoding
[18:39:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, it might be a system ram being full issue too then, as that would offload more of the memory stuff to the gpu
[18:40:00] geoff__998e: I'm sure it is. this system is maxed out with 192 though
[18:40:00] geoff__998e: thats why I'm not sad to leave it behind
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[18:41:00] Ediehow: hi
[18:41:00] Ediehow: xris: u there?
[18:41:00] xris: sort of
[18:41:00] Ediehow: well, i was wondering, for purposes of nuvexport
[18:41:00] Ediehow: i have the cut things where i want
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[18:41:00] Ediehow: and i want to make a dvd
[18:41:00] Ediehow: but there is a .5 or 1 second at the beginning and end of movie file
[18:42:00] Ediehow: of commercial stuff, but i can't get it to be included in the rest of things i want cut
[18:42:00] Ediehow: how do i have those things also cut?
[18:42:00] geoff__998e: since I'm in the market for a new system, any suggestions?
[18:42:00] geoff__998e: kormoc: above was for you
[18:42:00] Ediehow: and what should i export the myth file as if i want to make a dvd?
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[18:43:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, for performance/price, I would go with a a64 box.
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[18:44:00] geoff__998e: I had my eyes on this one: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4674248
[18:45:00] EnterUserName: hey lilo
[18:45:00] geoff__998e: EnterUserName: I like your nic
[18:46:00] kormoc: geoff__998e, nforce is indeed the way to go imho
[18:47:00] geoff__998e: I was hoping for some pci express, but that just adds to the price really fast
[18:47:00] Ediehow: xris?
[18:47:00] geoff__998e: and this way, I can reuse my nvidia card
[18:48:00] ** EnterUserName chuckles **
[18:48:00] EnterUserName: Yes, i thought it was clever
[18:48:00] poop: The analog input on a bt87x card is mono at insanely high sample rates. I wonder who that's useful to.
[18:49:00] xris: Ediehow: --force_mythtranscode
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[18:49:00] xris: well, that only works if you're using transcode.
[18:49:00] xris: ffmpeg should cut it no matter what, as long as the cutlist has that thing.
[18:50:00] xris: do you have nupplevideo (mpeg4) files, or mpeg files?
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[18:59:00] laga: netrix: thanks
[19:00:00] Ediehow: mpeg files xris
[19:00:00] Ediehow: but i don't think they are actually in the cutlist
[19:00:00] Ediehow: that's the problem
[19:00:00] Ediehow: nuvexport --transcode --mode xvid --force_mythtranscode
[19:00:00] Ediehow: ?
[19:01:00] xris: Ediehow: you really need to put them into the cutlist.
[19:01:00] xris: if you want them cut.. that's sort of a given.
[19:02:00] xris: if you want them to be cut, you need to put them into the cutlist.
[19:02:00] Ediehow: xris: i know:O
[19:02:00] Ediehow: it's not letting me
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[19:02:00] Ediehow: that's what i am saying
[19:02:00] netrix: laga: don't thank me till you read it. =)
[19:02:00] Ediehow: it cuts from like .5 seconds to 1 min 30 seconds, then the movie starts
[19:03:00] Ediehow: but before that .5 i can't get it to cut
[19:04:00] xris: so it IS in myth's cutlist, then.
[19:04:00] xris: just make sure that the first cutpoint in myth cuts "everything before"....
[19:04:00] xris: then force_mythtranscode will run the cutlist through mythtranscode instead of trying to get transcode to do it (which seems not to be entirely accurage)
[19:04:00] xris: accurate
[19:05:00] Ediehow: well, the reason i don't think it's going to work
[19:06:00] Ediehow: is if i try to play the film in myth now, it plays that .5 seconds, then skips past the cut point to the movie
[19:06:00] Ediehow: and i have the same problem at the end of the file
[19:06:00] Ediehow: the last .5 seconds or so
[19:06:00] Ediehow: that i do not want there
[19:07:00] Beirdo: so fix your cutlist
[19:07:00] Ediehow: amazingly enough, i tried
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[19:07:00] Beirdo: have you looked in the SQL to see exactly what the cutlist is?
[19:07:00] Ediehow: i tried moving the cutlist, telling it do everything to the left, et
[19:08:00] Ediehow: etc
[19:08:00] Ediehow: all from edit mode
[19:08:00] Ediehow: there just doesn't seem to be a way in the gui to cut every portion of the file to the left, or something
[19:08:00] Ediehow: and to the right, for the other side
[19:08:00] Ediehow: even though i select "everything before" and "Everything after"
[19:08:00] Beirdo: so I take that as a no
[19:08:00] xris: Ediehow: try force_mythtranscode in nuvexport... it may work.
[19:09:00] xris: otherwise, it could just be a bug in .18
[19:09:00] Ediehow: xris: it may delete that .5 at the end and beginning?
[19:10:00] xris: Ediehow: if the cutlist says to start cutting at frame 0, it will start cutting at frame 0
[19:10:00] Ediehow: how can i check on that?
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[19:10:00] Ediehow: xris: if i want to make a dvd out of the movie, is this the best way?
[19:10:00] Ediehow: nuvexport --transcode --mode xvid --force_mythtranscode
[19:10:00] Ediehow: and accept all defaults?
[19:11:00] xris: if you want a dvd, you certainly don't want xvid
[19:11:00] xris: you want dvd
[19:11:00] Ediehow: oh ok
[19:11:00] Ediehow: what file format will it be?
[19:11:00] xris: and for dvd, you probably want ffmpeg, not transcode
[19:11:00] xris: dvd is ALWAYS mpeg2
[19:11:00] Ediehow: so i just do nuvexport --mode dvd
[19:11:00] Ediehow: ?
[19:11:00] xris: yes
[19:11:00] Ediehow: k
[19:11:00] laga: xris: heya! has any work been done on the transcode exporter with regard to overscan cropping?
[19:12:00] Ediehow: what is nuvexport-dvd symlink supposed to do?
[19:12:00] Led-Hed: I have choppy video when the OSD is on (Using XVMC) is there anything I can do to fix it (other than not use XVMC)?
[19:12:00] xris: it maps to mode=dvd
[19:12:00] Ediehow: k
[19:12:00] Ediehow: xris: how big would a 2 hr movie with commercials cut out be with dvd mode?
[19:13:00] foobum: Led-Hed: why are you using xvmc?
[19:13:00] Ediehow: 4gb?
[19:13:00] Beirdo: that depends on the bitrate and how much you cut out
[19:13:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: how do i check in the sql to see if the cut starts at 0?
[19:13:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, what's your videocard?
[19:13:00] Beirdo: look at the cutlist in the recorded table entry for the show
[19:14:00] Led-Hed: kormoc: MX400
[19:14:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, what driver?
[19:14:00] Led-Hed: err 440mx
[19:15:00] Led-Hed: not sure. lemme check..
[19:15:00] Led-Hed: how do I check the version on a nVidia driver (not RPM)?
[19:16:00] foobum: modinfo nvidia
[19:16:00] kormoc: yup
[19:17:00] foobum: does anyone know if the latest nvidia drivers still enforce the "modeline widths divisible by 8" thing?
[19:17:00] Led-Hed: doesnt give a version
[19:17:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[19:17:00] Led-Hed: ok
[19:17:00] Ediehow: i wonder why mythfrontend drops so many core files
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: open coredump and find out ? :)
[19:17:00] Led-Hed: looks like 7667
[19:18:00] foobum: Led-Hed: xvmc sucks ass – what are you displaying on?
[19:18:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, you might want to upgrade to the new 8xxx driver and see if that helps, if not, I seem to recall that the last 6xxx driver was best for cards similar to yours, might want to give that one a try.
[19:19:00] kormoc: foobum, I have to say, xvmc doesn't suck ass, it's quite nice
[19:19:00] Led-Hed: ok, so its most likely a driver issue then..
[19:19:00] foobum: except that it messes up the OSD, breaks PiP, etc, etc
[19:19:00] Led-Hed: foobum: I use xvmc because it has the best playback quality
[19:19:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:19:00] foobum: i use far less cpu by outputting a PAL modeline
[19:19:00] Ediehow: hey GreyFoxx
[19:20:00] Ediehow: i ordered an nvidia 6200
[19:20:00] Ediehow: didn't know what else to do
[19:20:00] foobum: best playback quality? really?
[19:20:00] Led-Hed: yes
[19:20:00] foobum: hmm.. never looked that way to me
[19:20:00] kormoc: foobum, difference on my box is from 90% cpu to 10% cpu with xvmc, that's enough to deal with the little issues imho
[19:20:00] foobum: kormoc: what are you displaying on?
[19:21:00] kormoc: 15" dvi lcd screen.
[19:21:00] Led-Hed: I didnt even watch live TV on my myth because video was so bad. now with xvmc its almost as good as my ReplayTV
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[19:21:00] foobum: kormoc: ah.. i guess you have to deinterlace and scale and stuff
[19:21:00] kormoc: foobum, yup, huge performance gain, so yeah, I really dig it
[19:21:00] Led-Hed: DVI LCD doesnt need deint
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[19:22:00] foobum: Led-Hed: odd.. i didn't think it made any real difference to quality
[19:22:00] Led-Hed: like night and day for me..
[19:22:00] foobum: Led-Hed: is that cause you were dropping frames and stuff without it?
[19:22:00] Led-Hed: now if I can get my OSD issue resolved I'll put a myth on every TV
[19:23:00] foobum: Led-Hed: or do you think the decoder is actually a better quality?
[19:23:00] Led-Hed: foobum: never had dropped frames...
[19:23:00] foobum: Led-Hed: hm.. fair enough
[19:23:00] Led-Hed: the quality just sucked..
[19:23:00] foobum: Led-Hed: in what way? noisy? smearing?
[19:24:00] Led-Hed: cant really explain it, except that video seemed laggy, not fluid. but there werent dropped frames.. it just didnt look like live tv
[19:25:00] Led-Hed: always had a synthetic feel to it
[19:25:00] foobum: Led-Hed: ah ok... sure you weren't chucking interlaced video to a progressive display or something?
[19:25:00] Led-Hed: with xvmc I use less CPU and it looks almost as good as livetc
[19:25:00] Led-Hed: foobum: nope. no progressive display.. I wish!
[19:26:00] Led-Hed: though I could have bought a 50" plasma for the money I've spent on Myth Hardware.  :s
[19:26:00] foobum: Led-Hed: for me, (PAL SDTV), i get the least cpu usage and the best quality by having X use an interlaced / PAL modeline
[19:26:00] Led-Hed: what do you capture with?
[19:26:00] laga: PAL modelines are no easy business, though
[19:27:00] foobum: dvb-t and a pvr350
[19:27:00] foobum: laga: easy enough.. except you can't be completely exact using nvidia's driver
[19:27:00] Led-Hed: well if you are using the pvr-350 for tv-out then you wont have any issues. the pvr-350's decoder can send the signal interlaced. nvidia 440mx cannnot
[19:28:00] laga: foobum: which sucks ;). i wonder if i could do it withg my sis chipset. but i've never been to successful with stuff like this
[19:28:00] foobum: Led-Hed: this way i don't have to deinterlace (which always sucks) or scale (at least i hope the driver turns off the scaler)
[19:28:00] foobum: Led-Hed: no.. nvidia out
[19:28:00] Led-Hed: but you can play any Mame games...
[19:29:00] foobum: Led-Hed: haven't tried but there's no reason why not AFAIK
[19:29:00] Led-Hed: wait, your nvidia card does TV-out interlaced?
[19:29:00] foobum: Led-Hed: yup
[19:29:00] Led-Hed: how?
[19:29:00] Ediehow: xris: is it ok that nuvexport-dvd has been here for about 15–20min?
[19:29:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 215685 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[19:30:00] foobum: Led-Hed: the nvidia card's are ok in that they can do a low dot clock
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[19:30:00] foobum: Led-Hed: you just need an appropriate modeline
[19:31:00] Led-Hed: When I've run modlines in the past, I have trouble with MythVideo. It locks up...
[19:31:00] foobum: works fine for me
[19:31:00] foobum: Led-Hed: http://pastebin.ca/34241
[19:31:00] Led-Hed: thanks. Will have to modify it for NTSC..
[19:31:00] xris: Ediehow: yes, it's probably fine
[19:32:00] Ediehow: k
[19:32:00] laga: pal modelines. spiffy. thanks :)
[19:32:00] foobum: np
[19:32:00] Led-Hed: foobum: what is the dotclock
[19:32:00] foobum: 13.875
[19:33:00] Led-Hed: I mean, what does the dotclock do?
[19:33:00] foobum: it's just the clock freq of the 'display'
[19:33:00] Led-Hed: how do I figure that out?
[19:34:00] foobum: it's determined by the mode
[19:34:00] ** laga really wonders if this will work with the sis chipset **
[19:34:00] laga: i might have to read up on it at www.winischofer.at ;)
[19:34:00] foobum: dotclock is just the number of pixels written to the screen per time
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[19:35:00] Led-Hed: I'll have to do some research on modlines. maybe I can get rid of deinterlacing..
[19:35:00] Led-Hed: lunch time. BBL
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[19:36:00] foobum: Led-Hed: worked well for me... no more deinterlacing, no more scaling (I hope at least) and no more xvmc
[19:36:00] laga: same for me, but i don't really believe in it
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[19:38:00] Ediehow: foobum: you are not using xvmc anymore?
[19:38:00] Ediehow: how do you hardware decode?
[19:38:00] foobum: Ediehow: i don't
[19:38:00] Ediehow: doesn't that use a lot more processor?
[19:39:00] foobum: Ediehow: no
[19:39:00] Ediehow: hmm
[19:39:00] kormoc: Ediehow, depends on what you are doing
[19:39:00] foobum: Ediehow: not compared to software deint + scaling + hardware decode
[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: It's only a lot of processor if you have a little processor :)
[19:39:00] kormoc: foobum, actually, xv hardware deals with scaling I beleive
[19:39:00] Ediehow: GreyFoxx: i just don't get why i only use 20% of the cpu when i use mythtv and stuff but it stops/stutters when i multitask
[19:40:00] foobum: kormoc: yeah.. but what does it when using xvmc?
[19:40:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, ooh? it eats up my 2.4 ghz like no tomorrow
[19:40:00] Ediehow: that's why i ordered the nvidia card
[19:40:00] kormoc: foobum, yes, it does, xvmc is a xv extention
[19:40:00] foobum: kormoc: ah ok..
[19:40:00] foobum: kormoc: could do with that on my mac then :)
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Well it depends on if you are talking about SDTV or HDTV. I use like 12% of my XP2500+ for SDTV
[19:40:00] kormoc: foobum, so xvmc is just xv with hardware mpeg decoding.
[19:41:00] foobum: kormoc: yeah.. unfortuantely it screws the osd, PiP, etc
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[19:41:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, std def, 480x480 mpeg2-ps from a m179, 2.4ghz p4 on a fx5200 uses ~90% cpu with just xv, and ~5–15% with xvmc.
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Any chance you are using Nvidia driver version 8174 ?
[19:42:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, indeed I am, is there an issue?
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Yes there is
[19:42:00] foobum: kormoc: std def, 720x576 mpeg2-ps from a pvr350/dvb-t card on an athlon 64 uses ~ 6% cpu with no xvmc
[19:42:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, cause I didn't remember it being that bad... So what's up?
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: 8174 + OpenGL VSync = CPU HOG
[19:42:00] Ediehow: 8174 is a bad driver?
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Either turn off OpenGL VSync or stick with 7676
[19:43:00] foobum: GreyFoxx: oh yeah, forgot about that... 8174 takes my cpu usage up to about 80% :/
[19:43:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, huh. yeah, I'm gonna have to, as the 8176 fixes a few issues with my multi gpu setup.
[19:43:00] kormoc: well, actually, I'll just stick with xvmc, but I'll keep that in mind
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Then just turn off opengl vsync and you should see a huge performance improvement
[19:44:00] ivor: is there no drm sync for nvidia?
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: It's just a config option on the deinterlace playback settings page
[19:44:00] kormoc: yeah
[19:44:00] kormoc: I wonder if turning it on via the shell command will do the same thing or not
[19:44:00] ** kormoc ponders **
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: took me several hours of pouring through code to track that down
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: turning what on ?
[19:45:00] kormoc: opengl vsync.
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: When you say via the commandline, are you referring to using the nvidia-settings app or changing the myth databse setting? In my tests the nvidia-settings app had no effect either way
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[19:47:00] kormoc: nvidia-settns just sets a ENV var, which would be what I was refering to, aye
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[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: That had no effect in my tests but YMMV. I just disabled it in the mythfrontend settings page
[19:47:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: well, I did before I just moved back to 7676 and turned it back on :)
[19:48:00] kormoc: just sorta a ponderance of if the drivers were broked or if it was something inbetween :)
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[19:52:00] {alejandro}: hello everybody
[19:53:00] {alejandro}: I am having a few probs
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[20:01:00] dagfinnr: hi again, im having some troubles when the recordings are transcoded, after this theyre not playing smooth..any tips on how i can fix it?
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[20:01:00] will: Hi all, anyone know which lib's are needed to get vcd playback as part of the plugins compile?
[20:02:00] {alejandro}: nobody is answering
[20:02:00] {alejandro}: I say bring on the revolution
[20:03:00] Ediehow: xris:(
[20:03:00] Ediehow: core dump
[20:03:00] Ediehow: yuvdenoise: invalid option — r
[20:03:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 215685 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps sh: line 1: 9544 Aborted (core dumped) /bin/nice -n19 mythtranscode --showprogress -p autodetect -c 1035 -s 2005-12-10-20-00–00 -f "/tmp/fifodir_9462/" --honorcutlist 2>&1
[20:03:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 215685 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[20:03:00] Ediehow: mythtranscode finished.
[20:03:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 215685 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[20:03:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg finished.
[20:03:00] Ediehow: Encode finished: Mon Dec 19 14:03:00 2005
[20:03:00] Ediehow: Encode lasted: 49m 13s
[20:03:00] Ediehow: woops
[20:03:00] Ediehow: sorry
[20:03:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/470586
[20:04:00] Ediehow: wow, a 3gb core file
[20:04:00] {alejandro}: damn
[20:04:00] dagfinnr: {alejandro}, you should maybe state your problems before complaining that nobody is answering?
[20:04:00] {alejandro}: I can't build on an amd64 ubuntu box
[20:05:00] {alejandro}: I am using 0.18.2 from subversion
[20:05:00] {alejandro}: and have tried both g++ 4.0 and 3.4
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[20:08:00] xris: Ediehow: disable yuvdenoise
[20:08:00] Ediehow: xris: how do i do that?
[20:08:00] Ediehow: tell it not to denoisify?
[20:08:00] Ediehow: in nuvexport?
[20:09:00] Ediehow: Enable noise reduction (slower, but better results)? [Yes]
[20:09:00] Ediehow: tell it no?
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[20:10:00] Ediehow: now ffmpeg dies early
[20:10:00] Ediehow: Loading MythTV recording info.
[20:10:00] Ediehow: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 67.
[20:10:00] Ediehow: 75%
[20:10:00] Ediehow: :O
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[20:12:00] xris: Ediehow: you'd get that "basename" error regardless... though the latest nuvexport shoud have no problem with that (would show a warning, but not die)
[20:13:00] Ediehow: when --debug of nuvexport says "forking"
[20:13:00] Ediehow: does that mean i should issue the command with a &
[20:13:00] Ediehow: ah hah
[20:13:00] Ediehow: /bin/nice -n19 ffmpeg -hq -y -f s16le -ar 48000 -ac 2 -i /tmp/fifodir_14636/audout -f rawvideo -s 720x480 -aspect 1.33333333333333 -r 29.970 -i /tmp/fifodir_14636/vidout -aspect 1.3333 -r 29.97 -deinterlace -croptop 10 -cropbottom 10 -cropleft 14 -cropright 14 -s 720x480 -b 6000 -vcodec mpeg2video -qmin 5 -ab 384 -ar 48000 -acodec mp2 -f dvd "./CodeBreakers.mpg" 2>&1
[20:13:00] xris: http://svn.forevemore.net/nuvexport/wiki/debug
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[20:13:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-hq'
[20:13:00] Ediehow: i wonder why it tries to use -hq
[20:13:00] Ediehow: i told it not to denoise like u said
[20:13:00] kormoc: -hq isn't related to denoise I don't beleive
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: xris: Does mythweb-current still show items from the LiveTV recording group?... I haven't updated mythweb in a while though I see you've been commiting a lot of changes
[20:14:00] Ediehow: well, it tries to use -hq for some reason
[20:14:00] xris: Ediehow: dunno... could be ffmpeg version incompatibilities
[20:14:00] _willcooke_: If I install the libdvdread lib's do I also need dvdcss lib's?
[20:14:00] kormoc: Ediehow, gentoo?
[20:14:00] Ediehow: fc4
[20:14:00] Ediehow: rpmq ffmpeg
[20:14:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg-libpostproc-0.4.9–0.3.20051207.2.fc4
[20:14:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg-0.4.9–0.3.20051207.2.fc4
[20:16:00] davro: hi all, have just setup an machine with ubuntu, and a hauppauge pvr 500, now im looking into setting up mythtv, is anyone running with the ubuntu multiverse pacakges, is it that simple..
[20:16:00] Ediehow: xris are those bad versions?
[20:17:00] Ediehow: well, it seems the -hq option is causing it to die
[20:17:00] Ediehow: so i don't know why nuvexport is trying to use -hq
[20:18:00] laga: same for me with transcode -j.
[20:19:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong.
[20:19:00] Ediehow: see
[20:19:00] Ediehow: the -hq option
[20:20:00] xris: Ediehow: I have no clue... I just know that some versions don't work
[20:20:00] Ediehow: well, nuvexport is trying to tell ffmpeg to use -hq for some reason
[20:20:00] kormoc: Ediehow, edit nuvexport and remove the -hq flag then
[20:21:00] Ediehow: kormoc: it's not in there:O
[20:21:00] kormoc: it's in there somewhere
[20:21:00] Ediehow: i searched for -hq
[20:22:00] Ediehow: nowhere in /etc/nuvexportrc either
[20:22:00] kormoc: look for hq
[20:22:00] kormoc: without the -
[20:22:00] Ediehow: grep -hq *
[20:22:00] xris: no, it's an option that nuvexport passes to ffmpeg
[20:22:00] Ediehow: i just did that for my whole /usr/local/bin/ dr;)
[20:22:00] kormoc: okay
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[20:22:00] kormoc: grep -hq tells grep to...
[20:23:00] xris: Ediehow: most of nuvexport is in /usr/share/nuvexport (or local)
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[20:23:00] Ediehow: [root@home nuv_export]# grep -hq *
[20:23:00] Ediehow: [root@home nuv_export]# pwd
[20:23:00] Ediehow: /usr/local/share/nuvexport/nuv_export
[20:23:00] kormoc: Ediehow, -hq is, suppress the prefixing of filenames and quiet, don't write anything to standard out
[20:23:00] kormoc: Ediehow, put it in quotes
[20:23:00] kormoc: Ediehow, grep '-hq' *
[20:23:00] Ediehow: [root@home nuv_export]# grep "hq" *
[20:23:00] Ediehow: grep 'hq' *
[20:24:00] Ediehow: [root@home export]# grep 'hq' *
[20:24:00] Ediehow: ffmpeg.pm: $ffmpeg .= "$NICE ffmpeg -hq";
[20:24:00] xris: Ediehow: it's in export/ffmpeg.pm
[20:24:00] Ediehow: ok, trying again:)
[20:25:00] Ediehow: seems to be running now, haha
[20:25:00] xris: the problem with ffmpeg is that they keep changing the CLI options without documenting them
[20:25:00] Ediehow: processed: 737 of 215685 frames (0.34%), 27.30 fps
[20:25:00] Ediehow: let's see
[20:26:00] Ediehow: if i can try viewing this now
[20:26:00] Ediehow: and if it has the thing removed from the beginning
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[20:26:00] Ediehow: xris: it removed it OK
[20:26:00] Ediehow: it's just within myth, apparently
[20:28:00] Ediehow: xris: so what was with ydenoise or whatever?
[20:29:00] dagfinnr: hi again, im having some troubles when the recordings are transcoded, after this theyre not playing smooth..any tips on how i can fix it?
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[20:32:00] Krazylegz: I'm confused about tv_grab_na_icons . It seems that I should run tv_grab_na_dd after that, but I don't think that will actually do anything for me.
[20:32:00] Krazylegz: I tried entering mythtv-setup and grabbing my channel listing again, but that didn't add the icons either.
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[20:40:00] dagfinnr: hi again, im having some troubles when the recordings are transcoded, after this theyre not playing smooth..any tips on how i can fix it?
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[20:44:00] dagfinnr: nobody knows why this happends? xvid movies and livetv are playing smooth..and non-transcoded files too..but when the files is transcoded its not playing smooth at ALL. cpu usage is sky-high!
[20:44:00] Krazylegz: Which format are you transcoding into?
[20:46:00] dagfinnr: mpeg 4..bitrate of 2220
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[20:46:00] dagfinnr: standard setttings of the mpeg4 thingie
[20:47:00] Krazylegz: CPU speed?
[20:47:00] dagfinnr: is RTjpeg a better option?
[20:47:00] Krazylegz: I don't think so. I transcode to MPEG4, no problems here.
[20:47:00] dagfinnr: via epia m10000 mb..1ghz via cpu
[20:47:00] Krazylegz: Ah, maybe the CPU is too slow?
[20:47:00] Krazylegz: I can play MPEG4 content fine on my 800mhz P3, but I don't think I could do much else if it was running full-screen.
[20:47:00] dagfinnr: its not the fastest cpu. but it plays dvd and xvid/divx without a problem (10–20% cpu)
[20:47:00] Krazylegz: Not to mention that none of my videos there would be that high quality.
[20:48:00] dagfinnr: hm
[20:48:00] dagfinnr: what is RTjpeg?
[20:49:00] dagfinnr: better than mpeg4?
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[20:53:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, less processor intensive to encode
[20:55:00] beavis: xris: Recorded Programs takes ages when there are more than 100 recorded shows, is there a way to select a group before displaying the whole list or just to disable livetv recordings in there?
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: Question: Is it better to build transcode from source, or stick with the ubuntu package (this is for the dvd plugin)?
[20:57:00] Krazylegz: I'll ask a more generic question. Does anyone here have icons in their EPG?
[20:57:00] Krazylegz: Channel icons, that is.
[20:57:00] juski: yup
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: Me too!
[20:57:00] ** beavis too **
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[20:58:00] ** laga too **
[20:58:00] Krazylegz: _willcooke_: You're in the US?
[20:58:00] _willcooke_: UK
[20:58:00] dagfinnr: kormoc, is MPEG4 more cpu intensive to play than dvd/xvid? i though xvid was MPEG4?
[20:59:00] Krazylegz: Ack. Out of the four of you, 2 are DE and 2 are UK! :-)
[20:59:00] juski: Krazylegz: if ya put your icons in /usr/share/mythtv/icons you might have some joy – then point mythtv at the icons – either in the channel editor or by mysql mangling
[20:59:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, but I wanted a way to do it automatically. I already figured out how to do it manually.
[20:59:00] _willcooke_: Krazylegz, Do you have a seperate front end?
[20:59:00] ** _willcooke_ sniggers. OOoer! **
[20:59:00] juski: Krazylegz: stop being so damn lazy ;)
[20:59:00] Krazylegz: _willcooke_: No, combined BE/FE.
[21:00:00] juski: you'll be wanting mythtv to _watch_ the recorded shows next
[21:00:00] Krazylegz: Watch the recorded shows?
[21:00:00] Krazylegz: Oh, so that I don't have to. Excellent idea.
[21:00:00] juski: AFAIK only zap2it does auto icon stuff
[21:00:00] juski: and that's only a vague recollection I have
[21:01:00] Krazylegz: I'm using zap2it.
[21:01:00] laga: mythfilldatabase together with tv_grab_de_tvtoday automagically gives me the icons.
[21:01:00] dagfinnr: if i change the transcode coded in mythfrontend, do i have to restart the backend for the settings to take effect?
[21:01:00] juski: heh. so why doesn't tv_grab_uk_rt? wah!
[21:01:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, xvid is a style of mpeg-4
[21:01:00] Krazylegz: juski: You said you did get icons, presumably automagically?
[21:02:00] juski: nope
[21:02:00] _willcooke_: juski, there's a tar file of all the freeview icons on t'internet
[21:02:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, and yes, mpeg4 is more cpu intensive to playback then rtjpeg
[21:02:00] Krazylegz: juski: What did you have to do to get them?
[21:02:00] juski: laga said he did
[21:02:00] Krazylegz: Manual input?
[21:02:00] dagfinnr: kormoc, ok. is there a way to automatically transcode to xvid?
[21:02:00] juski: _willcooke_ I know about them already
[21:02:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, xvid won't make that more or less cpu intensive to playback
[21:02:00] _willcooke_: juski, furry muff
[21:03:00] juski: also found out about some more icons.. not just the shitty freeview ones... see the mailing list
[21:03:00] _willcooke_: juski, will do, cheers
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[21:03:00] xris: beavis: it should remember the last group you looked at.
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[21:04:00] _willcooke_: juski, any thoughts on transcode, build from source or use packaged version?
[21:04:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: Do YOU have channel icons in your EPG? :-)
[21:05:00] dagfinnr: kormoc, yeah, thats what i would suppose too..but its strange why xvid is og, but transcoded mpeg4 is very not smooth .. :/
[21:05:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, that'd be a negative. Never could figure out how
[21:05:00] ** Krazylegz tries to spend more time finding an automatic solution than it would take to do it manually. **
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: I just followed the instructions from the mythtv page and it worked
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: (for icons that is)
[21:05:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, likely it's cause it's encoded in real time to mpeg-4 and thus it has to throw out frames, but can take the time to encode xvid, as it's not real time?
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[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: and it looks like that lyngsat site mentioned on the list is an even better option
[21:06:00] kormoc: of course, I never use live tv, so they sorta are a mote point
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: They show up in the Info OSD screens, and mythweb :)
[21:06:00] Krazylegz: Still neat-o when setting up recordings.
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: extra eyecandy :)
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[21:07:00] kormoc: ooh, fair nuff
[21:07:00] kormoc: I shall have to look into it
[21:07:00] dagfinnr: kormoc, hm..so that would mean i would get the same problems with RTjpeg?
[21:08:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I'll walk you through it. :-)
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: The main problem I see at the moment with pulling them from lyngsat is that nowhere on the lynsat page do they list (in a clear way) the channels callsign. Some icon names/titles have it mixed with the station name, others don't have it at all
[21:08:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, no, rtjpeg takes a lot less cpu to encode, so your cpu could keep up and not toss frames
[21:09:00] dagfinnr: cool
[21:09:00] dagfinnr: did you know if i have to restart the backend for the settings in mythfrontend to take effect? (change from mpeg4 to RTjpeg) ?
[21:10:00] kormoc: shouldn't have to
[21:11:00] dagfinnr: k
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[21:23:00] galorin: My brother-in-law is looking to get a new stereo system, and I suggested that MythTV might be able to meet his needs. I'm trying to find a DVB-t reciever card that'll work, and (since he's persnickety) a sound card that can hook up to an amp, using normal stereo leads, not the 3.5mm plugs
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: galorin, the Nova-T works for most people, as for a snd card, dunno, my MB has a phono SPDIF on it
[21:28:00] juski: galorin: if the stereo is much cop it should have at least one digital input.. spdif is the way to go.. none of that analogue rubbish :)
[21:28:00] xris: galorin: why not just get 3.5mm -> rca cable like the rest of the world?
[21:28:00] xris: or spdif, like juski said
[21:29:00] juski: I've got my EPIA's spdif going into my Yamaha 6.1 amp.. it kicks arse
[21:30:00] galorin:
[21:30:00] juski: oh an 'emperor's new cable' worshipper eh?
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[21:30:00] galorin: hmm, ok so I just need a sound card with a SPDIF out on it...
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[21:31:00] juski: yeah.. but make sure you use a gold-plated optical lead
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[21:31:00] galorin:
[21:32:00] galorin: LOL I wonder if I could find one to make him feel better about himself..
[21:32:00] juski: there _is_ a difference between a £40 stereo and a proper hi-fi though.. and it's a very big difference
[21:32:00] juski: proper hi-fi costs a bloody arm & a leg
[21:33:00] juski: I once borrowed some £150 leads to see if I could tell the difference.. my home-made ones sounded better
[21:33:00] _willcooke_: You can get a fair startup Hi Fi from Richer Sounds for little money
[21:33:00] ** juski turns off the xbox **
[21:33:00] _willcooke_: Better than most "all in one" jobs
[21:33:00] galorin: _willcooke_, I'll look for the Nova-T then.. and look for the documentation for station listings etc.
[21:33:00] juski: enough already, NFS
[21:34:00] galorin: I use my PC for my music needs, and it's usually only background music.
[21:34:00] juski: I've seen nova-t cards for around £50 – don't pay much more than that
[21:35:00] _willcooke_: Worth checking Maplin (if you're UK), they had AverMedia 771 for 40quid a while back
[21:35:00] _willcooke_: or ebay I guess
[21:35:00] juski: I got all 3 of my dvb-t tuners from ebay
[21:36:00] juski: all of them £25 or less
[21:36:00] _willcooke_: bargin! I paid 70quid for my first nova-t
[21:36:00] galorin: It's all UK stuff here. I don't think he'll mind ebay'ed stuff, since I aint getting paid for this job.
[21:37:00] juski: last one I got was only £15 inc postage :D
[21:37:00] _willcooke_: blimes!
[21:38:00] galorin: I wonder if an audigy sound card would work. I plan on scavenging as much as possible from his current computer. No spdif on it.
[21:38:00] juski: just find some sucker who couldn't get it to work in Windows :-D
[21:38:00] _willcooke_: I've just bought a s-video to scart with a 3.5mm jack for sound from ebay for 4quid
[21:38:00] juski: you can get a soundcard with digital out for not much dosh.. SB cards are way overrated anyway
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[21:38:00] kormoc: juski, ooh? why's that?
[21:39:00] juski: kormoc: who the hell needs fifty million SFX going at once? they're way over spec'd
[21:40:00] quicksilver: ok, now I'm confused
[21:40:00] quicksilver: I thought my ATI was going to need the special gatos drivers to do tv output
[21:40:00] quicksilver: but, it seems to do TV output by default
[21:40:00] _willcooke_: My SB Live (which was pretty cheap, about 20quid I think) works, and hasn't given me much bother over the years.
[21:40:00] kormoc: juski, hardware mixing is just a godsend tho, as for the number of mixing channels, big firefights with bullets making sound where they hit and all that would use a lot of channels at once.
[21:40:00] quicksilver: ...but then none of the PAL modelines I try seem to sync my TV
[21:40:00] galorin: Might be over-rated but if I can get it dirt-cheap.... I'll definately need to find somethng for it.
[21:40:00] quicksilver: it syncs fine for text-mode though
[21:41:00] kormoc: sb live 16 bit cards are grand
[21:41:00] kormoc: sb live 24 bit cards are not grand
[21:41:00] _willcooke_: agreed
[21:42:00] galorin: the live16 have spdif?
[21:42:00] quicksilver: fFFc
[21:42:00] quicksilver: oops sorry wrong keyboard error :(
[21:42:00] juski: my SBLive has digital in & out *now* ;-)
[21:43:00] juski: old IDE cables come in handy
[21:44:00] quicksilver: my motherboard has digital out but of course my amplifier doesn't have digital in
[21:44:00] quicksilver: juski: by the way, my hybrid card does appear to be working in analog mode
[21:44:00] galorin: If I can get away without HW hacking, that'd be good...
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[21:45:00] juski: quicksilver: no big surprises there
[21:45:00] quicksilver: will I be able to teach myth that they're hybrid?
[21:45:00] Curus: When I record from DVB-C, it seems myth records all channels in the mux at once
[21:45:00] Curus: This makes the files rather large
[21:45:00] juski: but take solace in the fact that if you were running in Windows, it wouldn't work very well anyway
[21:45:00] quicksilver: or will I have to pretened one is analog and one is digital?
[21:46:00] _willcooke_: Bum! I've just compiled myth from svn (which is a big deal in my world!) but now it says it can't find libmythtv-0.19.so.0, which exists in /usr/local/lib
[21:46:00] juski: quicksilver... prolly have to tell it that it has an analogue card aswell.. that's if you can use it as a bttv card at all
[21:46:00] laga: _willcooke_: make sure to have /usr/local/lib/ in your /etc/ld.so.conf
[21:46:00] Curus: _willcooke_: /usr/local/lib is probably not in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:46:00] Beirdo: _willcooke_: add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf
[21:46:00] Beirdo: muhaha
[21:46:00] Curus: Heh
[21:46:00] Beirdo: in triplicate
[21:46:00] _willcooke_: HEY! Thanks!
[21:46:00] Beirdo: then ldconfig
[21:46:00] quicksilver: juski: it works from xawtv, does that mean it's working as a bttv card?
[21:46:00] laga: i hope he got it. ;)
[21:46:00] Beirdo: then try again
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[21:47:00] Curus: Now I'd like a triplicate, telling me how to make myth only record one channel in a DVB mux
[21:47:00] galorin: Oh, as I've never installed MythTV before, should I start with knoppmyth, or a base of some distro, and put mythtv on top?
[21:47:00] juski: quicksilver: maybe
[21:47:00] Beirdo: Curus: no clue, I don't use DVB
[21:47:00] quicksilver: juski: ok I'll experiment :)
[21:47:00] _willcooke_: Hmm, I dont have a /etc/ld.so.conf
[21:47:00] juski: galorin: I installed ubuntu & mythtv the other week.. from blank HDD to working mythtv system (just TV mind you).. 2 hours
[21:47:00] _willcooke_: just make one?
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[21:48:00] _willcooke_: or a LD_LIBRARY_PATH set
[21:48:00] Curus: _willcooke_: Just make a file with one line, /usr/local/lib
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[21:49:00] galorin: juski, Hmm, I like Ubuntu for new users. Not linux-y enough for me, but it's for a windows guy.
[21:49:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I've installed ubuntu and compiled myth from svn in... about 2 days
[21:50:00] Beirdo: yeah, make one if it doesn't exist. ;)
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[21:50:00] Beirdo: not linuxy enough?!
[21:50:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[21:50:00] Beirdo: it's frigging debian
[21:50:00] kormoc: if it doesn't exist, that's like... deadly broken...
[21:50:00] galorin: Slackware here
[21:50:00] Beirdo: what's not linuxy about ubuntu?
[21:50:00] galorin: ;)
[21:51:00] _EdmGuy_: it has naked people
[21:51:00] juski: galorin: snob!
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[21:51:00] _willcooke_: HA!!!! mythtv-setup has loaded!
[21:51:00] Curus: Beirdo: It has a proper package system, unlike in the good old days of say Solaris patchkits...
[21:51:00] ** _willcooke_ does the linux victory dance **
[21:51:00] galorin: Yeah, so?
[21:51:00] juski: lol
[21:51:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:51:00] Beirdo: I still do that :)
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[21:52:00] galorin: Hey, I've got Ubuntu installed on a laptop that I use to demo Linux, and I've got it running in qemu for screenshots that go into training manuals that I put out.
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[21:52:00] juski: don't be like that guy who was having boatloads of trouble getting mythtv working – I said just use a different distro – but he wanted to do it all the hard way. ended up failing for weeks – then finally got it working, said it sucked and was never seen again
[21:52:00] _EdmGuy_: I have to say Nvidia GF4000MX way slicker setup to the TV, but I had to buy a $20 adapter :)
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[21:53:00] Curus: MythTV can be hard enough on its own, without needing additional difficulties...
[21:53:00] laga: juski: hoxzer?
[21:54:00] _EdmGuy_: like a dog wrestling me behind the tv here while I try to hook this stuff up?
[21:54:00] Curus: Like, is it Myth or the kernel at fault when I can't watch encrypted channels, even though I have card and CAM and everything...
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[21:54:00] juski: laga: nope
[21:55:00] _willcooke_: Bum. No dvb cards!
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[21:55:00] galorin: hmm, need to ask google where I put my laptop.
[21:56:00] Beirdo: ask Jeeves
[21:56:00] juski: laga: that wuz orfeous
[21:56:00] Curus: ssh into it and use the accelerator measurements to figure it out galorin?
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[21:56:00] Curus: (Only works on thinkpads, so far)
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[21:57:00] patrik: Hi, im trying to install mythtv but Im getting this error: http://pastebin.com/470807
[21:57:00] kormoc: you need QT with mysql support
[21:58:00] patrik: Huh? But QT has nothing to do with databases.
[21:58:00] galorin: Curus, It's turned off.
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[21:58:00] kormoc: patrik, sure it does
[21:58:00] juski: anyway galorin: knoppmyth isn't a 'proper' linux either ;)
[21:58:00] _willcooke_: patrik, which distro?
[21:59:00] kormoc: patrik, mythtv uses qt's mysql object to do all it's querys
[21:59:00] patrik: _willcooke_, slamd64
[21:59:00] _EdmGuy_: knoppmyth has been good to me so far
[21:59:00] kormoc: patrik, hence why it's giving the QTmysql error
[21:59:00] _willcooke_: patrik, sorry never heard of it, debian based?
[21:59:00] patrik: Ok, I believe you. You learn something every day.
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[21:59:00] patrik: _willcooke_, slackware for AMD64
[21:59:00] _willcooke_: eek.
[22:00:00] patrik: :)
[22:00:00] galorin: juski, It aint for my personal use, so it doesn't really matter, as long as it does the job. Heck, I installed SMEserver for a customer. Worst. Distro. Ever.
[22:00:00] _willcooke_: Sorry, I was going to suggest the libqt3c102-mt-mysql package, I was missing that
[22:00:00] _willcooke_: But that probably wont help you!
[22:00:00] patrik: _willcooke_, Where can I get the source. Is it a part of the QT source or is it a add-on?
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[22:01:00] _willcooke_: patrik, sorry – my knowledge pool is a little shallow
[22:01:00] Chutt: it's included with the qt source.
[22:01:00] Curus: By the way, why does MythTV switch to a new file every half hour (about 1GB) when watching live TV?
[22:01:00] Krazylegz: New file?
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[22:01:00] patrik: Chutt, So I can just compile QT with some configuration options?
[22:01:00] _EdmGuy_: I would think so that when it runs out of space it can delete the old one?
[22:01:00] Chutt: yup
[22:02:00] Krazylegz: It should be a ringbuffer. When it gets "full", it will start overwriting the beginning of the file.
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[22:02:00] _EdmGuy_: hmmm
[22:02:00] Chutt: -qt-sql-mysql, iirc
[22:02:00] Curus: Hmm, in my case everything I've ever watched is in my myth directory
[22:02:00] Chutt: or -plugin-qt-sql-mysql
[22:02:00] Chutt: something like that :;
[22:03:00] Curus: Admittedly myth I've had myth running for less than a week, so the space usage isn't extreme
[22:03:00] _EdmGuy_: running three days, two different machines, two different video cards, third install
[22:04:00] _EdmGuy_: almost there
[22:04:00] patrik: Curus, yes I found it. Thanks
[22:04:00] patrik: _willcooke_, thanks!
[22:04:00] Curus: Either way, it causes a 10–15 seconds break when watching live TV, every half hour
[22:05:00] ** _willcooke_ compiles myth AGAIN **
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[22:06:00] Beirdo: _willcooke_: welcome to the fun :)
[22:06:00] Beirdo: ccache would be a good investment for your machine :)
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[22:08:00] juski: ubuntu buggers.. why do they have to call stuff different names?! /etc/init.d/mythbackend not found. Ah no, that's because it's /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
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[22:09:00] Beirdo: wah wah wah :)
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[22:10:00] juski: oh – and that'll teach me to update stuff.. 'latest' kernel has screwed by DVB card
[22:10:00] juski: argghhh
[22:10:00] Beirdo: nice
[22:10:00] juski: now listing FOUR cards in /dev
[22:10:00] juski: and they all have 'OSD'... interesting
[22:11:00] juski: ah well.. time to reinstall
[22:11:00] juski: glad this isn't my _real_ system though
[22:12:00] davro: hi all, im a first time mythtv user, using ubuntu with the using PVR-500 card, just installed mythtv* do i need this ivtv drivers ?
[22:12:00] Chutt: yes
[22:13:00] poop: Anyone not using the tuner on the pvr cards?
[22:13:00] juski: lesson learned folks – turn that damned update notification shit off ;)
[22:13:00] poop: s/the/their/
[22:13:00] ivor: hmm interesting my dad's just got himself one of these: http://www.medion.co.uk/ media pc's and it's got an interesting capture card in it. one pci card with 2xdvb-s, 2xdvb-t and 2xanalogue. has anyone else seen such a card?
[22:14:00] juski: ivor: been to Aldi eh? nice
[22:14:00] laga: medion *blech*
[22:14:00] ivor: I'm not commenting. :) I'm just intrigued by the card
[22:15:00] Curus: Are you sure it's just one card?
[22:15:00] ivor: haven't seen such a card sold by anyone else.
[22:15:00] ivor: yup single pci card.
[22:15:00] ivor: hence my intrigue.
[22:15:00] Curus: I'd love any card with two DVB tuners, except if they're DVB-S
[22:15:00] juski: hmmm
[22:16:00] juski: Terratec make the tuner card I think
[22:17:00] Curus: Hmm, there are claims that the only software that works with it is the software that comes with it
[22:19:00] ivor: hmm can't see a terratec cart with both dvb-s and dvb-t.
[22:20:00] davro: just out of intrest does mythfilldatabase take along while todo its thing ...
[22:20:00] juski: so long? Ive got about 20 channels and tv_grab_uk_rt takes about 5 mins
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[22:20:00] _EdmGuy_: depends on cpu speed I think
[22:20:00] juski: that's on a crappy 2ghz athlon
[22:21:00] kormoc: and depends on xmltv or zap2it or what not as well
[22:21:00] _EdmGuy_: I have a 1ghz Celeron, I dunno 10–15 mins for my 200 channels
[22:22:00] davro: 750 athlon running for about 10 mins, waiting on HASH(0x8ce96ac), i ll just wait slow puter.
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[22:23:00] quicksilver: xmltv can take quite a while
[22:23:00] _willcooke_: davro, remove all the channels you dont want from the xmltv file
[22:23:00] quicksilver: depending how many channels are in the file
[22:24:00] _willcooke_: Juski, sorry just reading back up the screen a bit.. I noticed my dvb cards b0rked after the last upgrade!
[22:24:00] Curus: Which table is the program guide kept in by the way?
[22:25:00] juski: _willcooke_: they botched the fskin kernel! grrrr
[22:25:00] poop: You just need to replace your slow puter with a fast lappy to run all your proggies.
[22:25:00] juski: right – got some gen on that triple tuner doozie... it'll be a lifeview PoS
[22:25:00] _willcooke_: juski, I spent ages yesterday trying to work out what went wrong, reinstalled in the end
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[22:26:00] juski: _willcooke_: that's what I'm doing now
[22:26:00] _willcooke_: juski, will it be the equiv. of 3 times dvb cards, or 1 dvb demux with 3 frontends?
[22:26:00] davro: just came up End of XMLTV output, New DB Connection, think its still doing something ...
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[22:26:00] quicksilver: davro: you're nearly there now
[22:27:00] quicksilver: davro: you do have your backend running, right?
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[22:27:00] juski: http://www.lifeview.com.tw/html/products/inte . . . dvb_trio.htm
[22:27:00] _willcooke_: start it bleedin' quick if not!
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[22:28:00] juski: no idea, but judging by their blurb it can do digi & analogue at the same time
[22:28:00] juski: and it's erm.. PCI-E
[22:28:00] juski: oops no it's not. that was a dual DVB-T tuner I saw somewhere
[22:28:00] davro: Next i need install the ivtv stuff just found this out, would following this http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto be best for an ubuntu install
[22:29:00] juski: ujhytgyujkl;/'.x ncpolx es;'x5zjikuq
[22:29:00] _willcooke_: juski, oh yeah 1 x analogue, 1xsat, 1xdvb-t,
[22:29:00] Curus: Maybe I'm missing something basic, but how does myth figure out which channel corresponds to which set of listings?
[22:30:00] Curus: Am I suppose to rename them until the names match?
[22:30:00] _willcooke_: I think there's a UID for each channel, 4 digit number
[22:31:00] ivor: juski: I'll get him to take a photo of the board.
[22:31:00] juski: ivor: it won't work in Linux, whatever happens
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[22:32:00] juski: and they're all silicon tuners – the least sensitive of all tuners if they cut corners
[22:32:00] ivor: juski: heh. well it's a little hard to determine that without knowing what card and chip it is surely?
[22:32:00] _willcooke_: juski, cheap crap!
[22:32:00] juski: ivor: I wouldn't have one anyway – not if it's a lifeview thing
[22:32:00] davro: _willcooke_, where is that xmltv file ?
[22:33:00] juski: see www.tv-cards.com/messageboard & do a search on 'lifeview' ;-)
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[22:33:00] _willcooke_: davro, in your mythtv users home, in a folder called .mythtv, <name of video source>.xmltv
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[22:34:00] _willcooke_: Can anyone help here, I've just compiled myth from svn again, I have --enable-dvb, and the headers are in the right place (I think), put when I go to capture cards I can only have "Analogue V4L Capture Card", it wont let me select dvb-t
[22:34:00] davro: _willcooke_, cheers mate i was in /etc/ damn theres alot of channels =>
[22:34:00] juski: _willcooke_: I saw that bug
[22:34:00] _willcooke_: davro, :) Hence the time!!
[22:35:00] _willcooke_: juski, bug?!?!? NOOOOOOOOO Don't tell me that.
[22:35:00] juski: I think something's wrong with the theme.. you _can_ select it
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[22:35:00] _willcooke_: AHHHH!!! You beauty!
[22:35:00] Curus: Hmm, let me guess, xmltvid is supposed to be set to something useful in the channel table
[22:35:00] _willcooke_: Moved the mouse, click, et voila!
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[22:36:00] juski: Curus: every channel has somewhere to put its xmltv id
[22:36:00] juski: it's the erm.. xmltvid field
[22:36:00] Curus: juski: Yes, except it's empty in my case
[22:37:00] juski: it will be, until you populate it
[22:37:00] Curus: ...
[22:37:00] Curus: How?
[22:37:00] juski: I'd say RTFM but it's not in there
[22:37:00] _willcooke_: juski, that's another beer I owe you! I just assumed since I compiled it my self it must not be working!
[22:37:00] juski: lol
[22:37:00] Curus: ...
[22:38:00] ** _willcooke_ didnt actually compile myth himself, in his head, he used a computer **
[22:38:00] juski: Curus.. in /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids you'll find all the xmltv ids
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[22:39:00] Curus: Except there isn't one for Denmark, juski
[22:40:00] dagfinnr: is there a list over the config for each function using lirc with myth? assigning buttons..
[22:41:00] Goshen: dagfinnr: I hear you can change it with mythweb, haven't tried myself yet
[22:42:00] _willcooke_: Juski, if you're interested.. I've made a list of all the packages you need in ubuntu to get myth to compile
[22:42:00] _willcooke_: in svn
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[22:42:00] _willcooke_: FROM svn
[22:43:00] Beirdo: It's Ride The Lightning time
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[22:43:00] \Grooby\: hallo evybody
[22:44:00] _willcooke_: hello
[22:44:00] \Grooby\: how's everyone doing?
[22:45:00] dagfinnr: Goshen, well its easy to define the remote buttons in the lirc config file, but i dont know what the functions in myth are called .. anyone?
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[22:46:00] jams: dagfinnr- look in keys.txt
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[22:48:00] _willcooke_: Bah! Still no aac in mythmusic
[22:49:00] Curus: juski: Anyway, if I figure out the id's, what do I do with them?
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[22:50:00] ** _willcooke_ compiles the plugins **
[22:52:00] _willcooke_: and the themes! Done!
[22:52:00] _willcooke_: Right, full bare metal to svn compiled mythtv in 2 days!
[22:52:00] _willcooke_: And 1 day of that was because ubuntu is broke!
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[22:54:00] toresbe: _willcooke_: I'd love to get a copy of that list... Is it online anywhere?
[22:54:00] Beirdo: mmmm, crunchy bass
[22:54:00] _willcooke_: toresbe, can be, hold on a sec. Be warned, it's rough!
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[22:56:00] dagfinnr: jams, wheres keys.txt located?
[22:56:00] Chutt: apt-get build-dep mythtv should get you most/all of them
[22:57:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, locate keys.txt
[22:57:00] dagfinnr: i found it
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[23:00:00] _willcooke_: toresbe, http://www.whizzy.org/mythinstall.txt
[23:00:00] _willcooke_: toresbe, and, comming soon ..... http://www.whizzy.org/mythsvn.html
[23:01:00] dagfinnr: thnx kormoc
[23:02:00] dagfinnr: where do i put the subtitles to get it working? and what should it be called? what kind of subtitles is supported?
[23:02:00] _willcooke_: toresbe, there's a few blanks, and probably some stuff that doesnt need to be there. I'll test it all again and tidy it up one day, probably xmas day, the wife has her parents visiting.
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[23:04:00] _willcooke_: and you'll need to make a /etc/ld.so.conf file with "/usr/local/lib" in, then ldconfig (or something)
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[23:05:00] _EdmGuy_: I have a Nvidia 4000MX, I have it set up and while things are booting I get the kernel scroll, but once X starts the Video to the TV gets cut off and I get a blue screen
[23:05:00] toresbe: _willcooke_: cheers, mate
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[23:05:00] _EdmGuy_: horizsync set to 30–50 and vertrefresh to 60
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[23:10:00] _willcooke_: laters skaters, bed time
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[23:12:00] davro: im trying to compile ivtv, do not do much compiling getting this *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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[23:15:00] davro: this /lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386 does exists download the kernel source or something ?
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[23:17:00] _EdmGuy_: got it working!!! :)
[23:19:00] \Grooby\: ??
[23:19:00] \Grooby\: got what working?
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[23:20:00] kormoc: irc
[23:20:00] \Grooby\: ahhh
[23:20:00] \Grooby\: w00t
[23:22:00] davro: Is ivtv normally a pain in the butt to compile ?
[23:22:00] kormoc: nope
[23:22:00] \Grooby\: not really
[23:22:00] kormoc: usually very simple
[23:22:00] \Grooby\: then again my experiene is limited to knoppmyth and gentoo
[23:23:00] davro: running ubuntu, have lib/modules/ do i need the kernel-source
[23:23:00] \Grooby\: to compile ivtv, yes
[23:24:00] davro: right i will download linux-source-2.6.12 and try again
[23:24:00] \Grooby\: there's no kernel source for ubuntu?
[23:26:00] davro: hmm, how would i go about doing the ivtv thing ?
[23:26:00] \Grooby\: haven't dont it in a while..but isn't it just ./configure
[23:26:00] \Grooby\: make
[23:26:00] \Grooby\: make install?
[23:26:00] netrix: download it and run make
[23:26:00] kormoc: follow the instructions that comes with ivtv?
[23:27:00] netrix: kormoc: that works too
[23:27:00] davro: make install
[23:27:00] davro: make -C driver install
[23:27:00] davro: make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mythtv/ivtv/ivtv-0.4.1/driver'
[23:27:00] davro: make -C /lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386/build M=/home/mythtv/ivtv/ivtv-0.4.1/driver modules
[23:27:00] davro: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[23:27:00] netrix: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[23:28:00] kormoc: actually, isn't the build file generated on make modules_install?
[23:30:00] davro: netrix , it doing something now ... =>
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[23:40:00] foobum: it expects that to be a symlink to your kernel sources davro
[23:41:00] \Grooby\: anyone have experience getting mythstreamtv to work on a gentoo built mythbox?
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[23:41:00] davro: when compiling ivtv, it come up with this, v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin needs copying to the hotplug firmware
[23:41:00] davro: directory if needed for PVR350 mpeg initialization
[23:41:00] davro: , im using a PVR500 where would this firmware directory be ?
[23:41:00] mofu: davro: you can use kernel-source or kernel-headers to compile ivtv against.
[23:42:00] nereus1: ive got a similar issue to davro
[23:42:00] mofu: the ivtv website has info about the firmware
[23:42:00] davro: i think the compiling when fine, just have to mv the new drivers across, just getting confused now with the firmware ?
[23:42:00] foobum: davro you can ignore that message
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[23:43:00] foobum: that's a little mpeg used to initialise the decoder on a 350
[23:43:00] foobum: you don't have a decoder
[23:43:00] mofu: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[23:43:00] davro: nice, cheers /lib/hotplug/firmware
[23:43:00] netrix: davro: you will also need two files from the cd to make the audio work
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[23:44:00] netrix: look for HcwMakoA.ROM and HcwFalcn.rom on the cdrom
[23:45:00] netrix: copy both to /lib/modules
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[23:45:00] netrix: then mv ivtv-fw-enc.bin ivtv-fw-enc.bin.old; ln -s HcwFalcn.rom ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[23:46:00] davro: netrix, i will be happy with moving stuff, will do that once the ivtv is done
[23:47:00] davro: will take notes on that, thanks
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[23:56:00] praet: whats the best way to image an install as a backup
[23:57:00] Beirdo: google
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[23:57:00] Beirdo: that's so not even close to a mythtv question :)
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[23:59:00] praet: :)

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