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| [00:01:00] | majesty: | im extremely excited to build my myth box |
| [00:01:00] | majesty: | can't wait... |
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| [00:01:00] | \Grooby\_: | hi all |
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| [00:14:00] | enterusername: | man |
| [00:14:00] | enterusername: | oh man |
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| [00:14:00] | \Grooby\_: | ?? |
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| [00:27:00] | psofa: | how can i tell lirc that i want the next event to be ignore if its less that some ms after the previous event? my remotes are too sensible |
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| [00:31:00] | \Grooby\: | i'm getting a lot of prebuffering pauses...know what could cause that? |
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| [00:44:00] | psofa: | crappy performance maybe |
| [00:44:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [00:45:00] | \Grooby\: | didn't have that problem when using knoppmyth |
| [00:45:00] | psofa: | reduce the bitrate/resolution |
| [00:45:00] | psofa: | then i dont know |
| [00:45:00] | \Grooby\: | it's at 480x480 |
| [00:45:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [00:45:00] | \Grooby\: | both DVB and IVTV |
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| [00:56:00] | funkyelf: | hey guys, So I filled up my LVM volume. Now I am getting Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION when using MythWeb, and when I use mythfrontend and go into recording it is saying "Sorry ,there are no recordings available" |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | I thought that it was supposed to auto-delete |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | since I can't go in through mythweb or mythfronend....how do I solve this issue? |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | eric@myth ~ $ tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | ERROR: file I/O problem in safe_write(), errcnt = 2: No space left on device |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | ERROR: file I/O problem in safe_write(), errcnt = 3: No space left on device |
| [00:57:00] | funkyelf: | ERROR: file I/O problem in safe_write(), errcnt = 1: No space left on device |
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| [01:06:00] | psofa: | is there anythough on using the red/green/blue/purple button thing like in vdr? |
| [01:06:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [01:06:00] | psofa: | ? |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | how would we know how VDR does stuff? we aren't #vdr |
| [01:07:00] | Beirdo: | makes it hard for us to comment on your question :) |
| [01:07:00] | psofa: | when in an options window vdr says forexample |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | funkyelf, hmmm, now that kinda sucks, you should just delete some files |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | to be exact... |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | cat /dev/null > file |
| [01:08:00] | psofa: | GREEN :edit BLUE:accept RED:quit |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | that will make em 0 bytes, but it can still be seen by myth, and can get deleted |
| [01:08:00] | psofa: | so you see the red button on the remote and push it |
| [01:08:00] | psofa: | you dont have to remember which button does what |
| [01:08:00] | Beirdo: | no clue. |
| [01:09:00] | psofa: | and imho its a nice feature |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | and that would require everyone to use identical remotes, not likely |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | otherwise "which button is the red one again?" |
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| [01:09:00] | psofa: | most tv remotes for teletext tvs have the red/blue/green |
| [01:10:00] | psofa: | its a method for navagating in teletext |
| [01:10:00] | psofa: | like shortcuts |
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| [01:10:00] | Beirdo: | most mythtv users don't have teletext, I'd be willing to bet. we are in North America |
| [01:10:00] | mofu: | yep |
| [01:10:00] | psofa: | even the dvb-s card's remote has these buttons |
| [01:11:00] | psofa: | :( |
| [01:11:00] | mofu: | psofa: get over it |
| [01:11:00] | funkyelf: | so what is this auto-expire stuff and why didn't it work for me? Almost all of the stuff I have is set to auto-expire, but myth didn't delete anything, it just froze up when it became full |
| [01:11:00] | mofu: | my Radio Shack 6in1 doesn't |
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| [01:11:00] | Beirdo: | funkyelf, hard to say. |
| [01:11:00] | Beirdo: | what did you set your auto-expire threshold to? |
| [01:12:00] | funkyelf: | I'm not exactly sure where to set that |
| [01:12:00] | mofu: | funkyelf: set the limit so it starts deleting stuff before the disk is full |
| [01:12:00] | mofu: | Settings:TV:GEneral I think |
| [01:12:00] | funkyelf: | okay....I'll dig around in myth setup again |
| [01:12:00] | funkyelf: | thanx |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | but in the mean time |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | cat /dev/null > file |
| [01:12:00] | Beirdo: | for a few to clean up a bit of space |
| [01:13:00] | Beirdo: | especially if using xfs, it gets REAL bitchy when the filesystem fills |
| [01:13:00] | funkyelf: | yeah, I'm usin xfs |
| [01:13:00] | Beirdo: | if it hits 95%+ full it starts to really slow down |
| [01:13:00] | Beirdo: | not sure the exact number |
| [01:14:00] | funkyelf: | I need to switch over. I have two 300 Gb drives and only one makes up that volume |
| [01:14:00] | funkyelf: | I'm gonna format the 2nd drive, copy the files over, then redo that LVM on the first one to be anything but xfs and then put them back |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | xfs is still the best choice really |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | just don't let it get so full |
| [01:14:00] | ** funkyelf apologizes ** | |
| [01:14:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:15:00] | ** funkyelf used jfs ** | |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | I did it too |
| [01:15:00] | ** funkyelf thinkgs ** | |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | jfs works too |
| [01:15:00] | funkyelf: | jfs craps out whenever there is a power glitch and I have to run fsck.jfs |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | don't use ext3 though :) |
| [01:15:00] | Beirdo: | it's real bad with huge files and deletion |
| [01:15:00] | funkyelf: | what about reiser? |
| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | I've heard people with horror stories |
| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [01:16:00] | mofu: | <Beirdo> xfs is still the best choice really |
| [01:16:00] | funkyelf: | so xfs is that way to go? |
| [01:16:00] | mofu: | <Beirdo> xfs is still the best choice really |
| [01:16:00] | funkyelf: | gotcha |
| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | jfs is decent too from what I've heard |
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| [01:16:00] | Beirdo: | but xfs is great if you treat it right |
| [01:17:00] | mofu: | currently using xfs on RAID0, nice performance |
| [01:17:00] | mofu: | kernel RAID |
| [01:17:00] | \Grooby\_: | who knew building a mythtv from scratch is this hard |
| [01:17:00] | \Grooby\_: | sigh |
| [01:17:00] | funkyelf: | I was thinking of mounting a huge network drive and transfering some files over there then putting symbolic links to them in /mnt/store |
| [01:17:00] | Beirdo: | funkyelf, that could work too :) |
| [01:17:00] | funkyelf: | Beirdo, but deleteing them would only delete the symbolic links I guess |
| [01:18:00] | mofu: | funkyelf: i think it works ok unitl you try to delete them, |
| [01:18:00] | mofu: | yep |
| [01:18:00] | Beirdo: | yah, true |
| [01:19:00] | Beirdo: | it could work for a stopgap though |
| [01:19:00] | Beirdo: | while you transfer crap around |
| [01:19:00] | funkyelf: | I could have a cron job that checks for files that exist in one place without a link to them and delete them from the network drive |
| [01:19:00] | mofu: | gettin' fancy . . . |
| [01:19:00] | funkyelf: | hopefully over this winter holiday I'll be able to play around. |
| [01:20:00] | funkyelf: | I have a bunch of stuff I need to figure out yet, like how to burn these to DVD's |
| [01:20:00] | funkyelf: | and how to transcode them in such a way that they are playable in Windows |
| [01:20:00] | funkyelf: | right now the .nuv files play fine because they are mpegs from my hauppauge card |
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| [01:25:00] | dmz: | i'd be happy to have an easy way to archive my .nuv (hauppauge mpeg) into my video folder... |
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| [01:25:00] | dmz: | if I just moved it would my video player play it? or do i need to transcode it? |
| [01:26:00] | k-man: | hey |
| [01:26:00] | k-man: | is there a way to put the current time onto some of the screens in mythtv? |
| [01:26:00] | k-man: | ie, in the menus? |
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| [01:28:00] | mofu: | its in the program guide menu when your in live tv |
| [01:29:00] | k-man: | nofu, i mean i want to see the current time in all the main menus |
| [01:30:00] | k-man: | ie, where you select "Watch tv" or "media library" |
| [01:30:00] | k-man: | pretty much all the screens that are not watching tv if you see what i mean? |
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| [01:36:00] | psofa: | are the grabbers hardcoded in xmltv? |
| [01:36:00] | psofa: | arent they modular? |
| [01:36:00] | sphing: | is anybody using lvm? |
| [01:37:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | sphing: yup, its grewat |
| [01:38:00] | sphing: | so does it combines multiple partitions? |
| [01:38:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | um, sure |
| [01:38:00] | sphing: | ... is that a certain yes? |
| [01:38:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | i suggest you read the LVM howto |
| [01:38:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | it explains everyhtring |
| [01:39:00] | sphing: | will do |
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| [01:43:00] | \Grooby\_: | oi |
| [01:43:00] | \Grooby\_: | why am I getting this prebuffering pause with tons of audio buffer overflow |
| [01:43:00] | \Grooby\_: | :( |
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| [01:48:00] | sphing: | Ginsu_Squirrel: how hard is it to replace a disk in an lvm |
| [01:49:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | what do you mean replace? like move the data onto another disk? pretty simple i hear |
| [01:49:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | again... its all in the howto |
| [01:49:00] | sphing: | not introduce a new one |
| [01:50:00] | sphing: | i have 2 160gigs and an 80 gig |
| [01:50:00] | sphing: | so if in 3 months want to replace that 80 gig |
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| [01:52:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | you move the data off the 80 onto the new disk |
| [01:52:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | like i said, its in the howto |
| [01:52:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | just rad it |
| [01:52:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | read* |
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| [01:55:00] | dhofstra: | anyone got an opinion on how I could transmit my mythfrontend audio out to my hot-tub that is 40 ft away, but beyond a wall? I tried one of those fm transmitters, but sound was horrible, and limited distance... |
| [01:55:00] | rjune: | dhofstra: youcould run a cable. |
| [01:55:00] | dhofstra: | heh |
| [01:55:00] | rjune: | you got a laptop? |
| [01:55:00] | rjune: | put a wifi card in it and run the fronted on it |
| [01:55:00] | dhofstra: | I have had long minijack cable runs before, and you pick up alot of interference |
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| [01:56:00] | tyce: | what is the easiest/best way to transcode .nuv to .vob or .iso so that I can burn it to dvd? |
| [01:56:00] | rjune: | use an 8mil cable or whatever it is. |
| [01:56:00] | rjune: | the big ones. they can go for a while. |
| [01:56:00] | sphing: | dhofstra: try a stronger FM cable |
| [01:56:00] | dhofstra: | I am planning on doing that with the laptop for video, but wouldnt mind running the audio constantly so I could just bring the RF remote out with me instead of the whole laptop |
| [01:56:00] | sphing: | *transmitter |
| [01:57:00] | rjune: | but then you can't control what you hear |
| [01:57:00] | dhofstra: | sphing: I just never could get even 10 ft away, and the sound was horrible anyway. |
| [01:57:00] | rjune: | build a frontend into the deck next to the hottub |
| [01:57:00] | dhofstra: | heh |
| [01:57:00] | ** dhofstra looks up the electrical code for an outdoor pc next to a tub of splashing water.... ** | |
| [01:58:00] | dhofstra: | I was thinking one of those audio/video transmitter thingys might make the distance (for room to room stuff) |
| [01:58:00] | sphing: | dhofstra: if you could listen 10 feet away... you had a shitty transmitter |
| [01:58:00] | sphing: | *couldn't |
| [01:59:00] | dhofstra: | well, I bought the most expensive one, and frankly most of them had poor reviews anyway |
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| [01:59:00] | dhofstra: | 'tinny' audio, poor reception at a distance.. etc |
| [01:59:00] | sphing: | o i was thinking a homebuilt on |
| [01:59:00] | dhofstra: | homebuilt rf transmitter? |
| [01:59:00] | dhofstra: | please .. do tell |
| [02:00:00] | sphing: | ive seen plans online before... i honestly have never built one though |
| [02:00:00] | dhofstra: | heh. the IR lirc homebrew was a huge enough project for me.. not sure I can tackle that.. |
| [02:01:00] | sphing: | but you could probably get some serious power i'd imagine |
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| [02:03:00] | dhofstra: | lol |
| [02:04:00] | sphing: | haha... dhofstra broadcasting his audio for like 3 mils |
| [02:04:00] | sphing: | *miles |
| [02:04:00] | dhofstra: | i always wanted to be a dj |
| [02:04:00] | dhofstra: | somehow I think radiomyth at 10pm and radiolinux at 11 wouldnt get a huge crowd |
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| [02:06:00] | fatmatt: | hmm, theres a mythtv option in the harmony880 configuration. |
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| [02:14:00] | zer0blivion: | hi all |
| [02:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | halo |
| [02:15:00] | zer0blivion: | anyone here using a homemade IR blaster? |
| [02:16:00] | zer0blivion: | I'm looking for some tips |
| [02:16:00] | \Grooby\_: | wish I can help...but i got my own set of wierd problem |
| [02:16:00] | \Grooby\_: | :( |
| [02:17:00] | zer0blivion: | what are your problems |
| [02:17:00] | \Grooby\_: | getting lots of prebuffering pauses and stuttering sound |
| [02:17:00] | zer0blivion: | what speed is your processor? |
| [02:17:00] | \Grooby\_: | amd64 3500+ |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | 1gb ram |
| [02:18:00] | zer0blivion: | nice specs |
| [02:18:00] | dmz: | dhofstra, have you checked out livesupport? (radio station sw) |
| [02:18:00] | zer0blivion: | that's my desktop machine |
| [02:18:00] | dhofstra: | hmm. I'll look thanks |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | so I am stumped |
| [02:18:00] | dmz: | zer0blivion yeah i was using one to control my dish receiver, not anymore though |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | was working fine on the older version of knoppmyth |
| [02:18:00] | zer0blivion: | what distro do you use? |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | gentoo |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | 2.6.13-r5 |
| [02:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | mythtv 0.18.1 |
| [02:19:00] | zer0blivion: | dmz what kind of serial connector did you use? |
| [02:19:00] | zer0blivion: | I have an old serial mouse I'd like to use |
| [02:19:00] | zer0blivion: | but I'm not sure if it carries the right pins |
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| [02:20:00] | zer0blivion: | I have the emitter circuit mocked up with a visible LED, all I need to do is get the thing connected to my serial port |
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| [02:40:00] | tyce: | what is the easiest/best way to transcode .nuv to vob,iso,etc... so that I can burn it to a watchable dvd? |
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| [02:42:00] | golly: | anyone got Knoppmyth working with Pal HDTV? If so, which video capture card you using? |
| [02:43:00] | zer0blivion: | NTSC here |
| [02:43:00] | zer0blivion: | know anything about IR Blasters? |
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| [02:49:00] | poop: | I bought this round ata cable but it has this black box with a molex power thing jacked into one end. |
| [02:49:00] | poop: | wtf if it? |
| [02:56:00] | zer0blivion: | s-ata? |
| [02:57:00] | poop: | No, it goes P.S.->black block->two-wires to primary cable interface. |
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| [03:01:00] | dmz: | zer0 hey sorry was busy |
| [03:02:00] | dmz: | zer0 did you make your own cable or purchase? and mine just plugged into com1 |
| [03:02:00] | zer0blivion: | it's cool |
| [03:02:00] | zer0blivion: | I'm making one |
| [03:03:00] | zer0blivion: | I think I just need to go to radio shack or whatever it's called now |
| [03:03:00] | zer0blivion: | I can't use the serial mouse cable because it doesn't carry the right pin |
| [03:03:00] | zer0blivion: | from the com port |
| [03:04:00] | dmz: | just purchase the parts @ radio shack |
| [03:04:00] | dmz: | should be easy enough to build |
| [03:05:00] | zer0blivion: | I have the emitter circuit all mocked up |
| [03:06:00] | zer0blivion: | just need the connector |
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| [04:41:00] | a1fa|64: | hi |
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| [04:55:00] | Kury: | Anyone using gentoo w/ a hauppauge pvr 350 card? |
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| [04:57:00] | pembo13: | is it possible to use irkick with mythtv? |
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| [04:57:00] | Kury: | Anyone using gentoo w/ a hauppauge pvr 350 card? |
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| [05:00:00] | cworth: | First, a huge thank you to everyone that has contributed to mythtv. It's fantastic and has been running almost entirely flawlessly ever since I first installed it several months ago. Well done! |
| [05:00:00] | cworth: | Now, my problem. ;-) |
| [05:01:00] | cworth: | Commercial skipping just isn't happening all of a sudden, (after a reboot a couple of days ago). Anyone have any tips for how I might diagnose this? |
| [05:03:00] | pembo13: | cworth, you tried pressing Z? I think that loads the commerial info or something, i am also a newbie |
| [05:04:00] | cworth: | pembo13: Hmmm... let me add that to a button on the remote and see what it does, (no convenient keyboard access to this machine just now). |
| [05:06:00] | pembo13: | ahh, ok |
| [05:06:00] | pembo13: | well you might want to check the docs first |
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| [05:08:00] | Zirka: | Hi. |
| [05:08:00] | Zirka: | Can I get some help with a tuner in a Hauppauge PVR-150? |
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| [05:10:00] | a1fa|64: | just ask |
| [05:11:00] | Zirka: | I'm having a problem getting my PVR-150 changing channels. |
| [05:11:00] | Zirka: | It seems stuck on one channel, and it won't change at all. |
| [05:11:00] | \Grooby\_: | Kury still here? |
| [05:12:00] | a1fa|64: | what driver |
| [05:12:00] | a1fa|64: | did u try rebooting |
| [05:12:00] | Kury: | I'm here.. |
| [05:13:00] | Kury: | who what? |
| [05:13:00] | Zirka: | Well, it's the Hauppage PVR-150, so I'm using the default driver. |
| [05:13:00] | \Grooby\_: | i'm using gentoo w/ pvr350 |
| [05:13:00] | funkyelf: | anyone here have a video ipod? |
| [05:13:00] | Kury: | Grooby: did you get your IR receiver working? |
| [05:13:00] | \Grooby\_: | i tested in irw but yeah it works |
| [05:13:00] | a1fa|64: | what default driver dude |
| [05:13:00] | a1fa|64: | what version |
| [05:13:00] | a1fa|64: | did u compile it yourself? |
| [05:14:00] | Zirka: | No, I'm using KnoppMyth R5A26 |
| [05:14:00] | a1fa|64: | not u |
| [05:14:00] | Zirka: | Oh. |
| [05:14:00] | a1fa|64: | Zirka |
| [05:14:00] | a1fa|64: | u are using ivtv? |
| [05:14:00] | Zirka: | According to dmesg, I am. |
| [05:14:00] | Kury: | Grooby: How did you get it installed? Whenever I install it from source... or emerge it as a hauppauge capture card... vs the serial driver... the make process fails.. |
| [05:15:00] | a1fa|64: | what version |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
| [05:15:00] | a1fa|64: | its like pulling teeth with you |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | I followed that |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | you need to edit your make.conf |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | also |
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| [05:15:00] | Kury: | Grooby: Already been there.. make fails every time.. |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | don't use kernel 2.6.14 |
| [05:15:00] | \Grooby\_: | use .13 |
| [05:16:00] | \Grooby\_: | there's a bug w/ lirc and changes made in .14 |
| [05:16:00] | Zirka: | a1fa|64, not too sure. It's been a while since I tinkered with a Linux module. |
| [05:16:00] | Kury: | Grooby: That would be why then... |
| [05:16:00] | Kury: | shit.. |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | Zirka: when was the last time u rebooted? |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | maybe that will fix it |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | i had a similar problem |
| [05:17:00] | Zirka: | I rebooted today. |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | you could also use ivctl |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | to tune somewhere else |
| [05:17:00] | Zirka: | Nyeh? |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | any new shows worth watching out? |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa|64: | or comming out? |
| [05:18:00] | Zirka: | Battlestar Galactica: Season 3 |
| [05:18:00] | funkyelf: | transcoding makes the files take less space, and so does commercial skipping. But commercial skipping requires my input and takes time. Can I transcode, then at a later time edit the commercial skips and save that space or would that loose more quality than doing it all in one step? |
| [05:18:00] | Zirka: | Jan. 6 (or Jan 9 I think) |
| [05:18:00] | Kury: | Grooby: K... Thanks Grooby for the info.. |
| [05:18:00] | a1fa|64: | i am not into that scifi |
| [05:18:00] | \Grooby\_: | np |
| [05:19:00] | Zirka: | Oh, then I'm not too sure of what's coming out. |
| [05:19:00] | a1fa|64: | skipping commercials really screws-up your sence of new shows coming out |
| [05:19:00] | a1fa|64: | what format is .nuv? |
| [05:19:00] | \Grooby\_: | nite peeps |
| [05:20:00] | Zirka: | a1fa|64, Do you meant ivtvctl (the program) or do you mean some kind of module. |
| [05:20:00] | Zirka: | a1fa|64, Isn't .nuv an RTJPEG file? |
| [05:20:00] | a1fa|64: | yeah |
| [05:20:00] | a1fa|64: | ivtvctl |
| [05:20:00] | a1fa|64: | RTJPEG |
| [05:20:00] | a1fa|64: | is that supported under winamp :P |
| [05:20:00] | Zirka: | I don't think so. |
| [05:21:00] | Zirka: | You're using Win32 or Linux? |
| [05:21:00] | a1fa|64: | both |
| [05:21:00] | Zirka: | Hmm... |
| [05:21:00] | Zirka: | MPlayer is available for both. |
| [05:21:00] | a1fa|64: | why doesnt mythtv export to mpg4 as it is or mpg2 |
| [05:22:00] | Zirka: | MPlayer will do NUV without any kind of convertion |
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| [05:26:00] | a1fa|64: | aha |
| [05:26:00] | a1fa|64: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/video_dir/1078_20051213205900_20051213220000.nuv on this server. |
| [05:27:00] | a1fa|64: | god i hate this |
| [05:28:00] | Zirka: | chmod 775 1078_20051213205900_2005121322000.nuv |
| [05:28:00] | a1fa|64: | nah |
| [05:28:00] | a1fa|64: | that wont fix it |
| [05:28:00] | a1fa|64: | its apache |
| [05:28:00] | a1fa|64: | trying to get to a file via symlink |
| [05:28:00] | Zirka: | Are you trying to access it as user mythtv or not? |
| [05:29:00] | a1fa|64: | http |
| [05:29:00] | a1fa|64: | apache is running as http |
| [05:29:00] | Zirka: | Uhh.... well, try adding mythtv to group www |
| [05:29:00] | a1fa|64: | -rwxrwxr-x 1 mythtv mythtv 2407339968 2005-12–13 22:01 1078_20051213205900_20051213220000.nuv |
| [05:31:00] | a1fa|64: | that didnt work |
| [05:31:00] | a1fa|64: | it doesnt like the symlinking |
| [05:32:00] | a1fa|64: | [Tue Dec 13 23:30:25 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.100] (75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /mythweb/video_dir/1078_20051213205900_20051213220000.nuv failed, referer: http://mytivo/mythweb/recorded_programs.php |
| [05:32:00] | a1fa|64: | gay |
| [05:32:00] | a1fa|64: | i am off to bed |
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| [05:32:00] | Zirka: | I can't seem to find control in ivtvctl to change the channel. |
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| [05:33:00] | Zirka: | Anyone else have experience with the PVR-150? |
| [05:34:00] | pembo13: | hey, how does mythtv store the information about recordings? eg. how do i know what file is which recording? |
| [05:35:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | its in the database |
| [05:35:00] | pembo13: | ahh, sweet, thank you |
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| [05:39:00] | java_4_ever: | i have an issue when changing channels — ivtv-tuner -c45 will change the channel, but mythfrontend does not |
| [05:39:00] | java_4_ever: | when i press any number key or up/down arrow |
| [05:39:00] | java_4_ever: | any ideas? |
| [05:47:00] | java_4_ever: | i have a pvr-150 on a pIII 800 with 512 MB memory |
| [05:48:00] | java_4_ever: | also when watching live-tv i noticed that the current program info of the current channel does not display |
| [05:49:00] | java_4_ever: | and yet, i can see the channels in the program guide and searching for programs to record |
| [05:51:00] | Chutt: | configuration error. |
| [05:51:00] | Chutt: | likely, you messed up the 'input connections' step of mythtv-setup. |
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| [05:55:00] | Flimzy: | Can anyone tell me what "Encoder mailbox not found" means when loading the ivtv drivers? |
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| [05:58:00] | simcop2387: | i'm installing a mythbox on a real tv for once |
| [06:02:00] | laga: | Flimzy: why don't you ask the ivtv guys? www.ivtvdriver.org |
| [06:02:00] | Flimzy: | laga: I'm doing just that |
| [06:09:00] | java_4_ever: | ok, i will try it again |
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| [07:19:00] | Kury: | can anyone make sence of this lirc problem.. http://pastebin.com/463398 |
| [07:24:00] | fallenangel: | kury? |
| [07:24:00] | fallenangel: | still there? |
| [07:25:00] | Kury: | I'm still here.. |
| [07:26:00] | fallenangel: | what do you have in your lircd.conf? |
| [07:27:00] | Kury: | are you talking /etc/conf.d/lircd or /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [07:27:00] | fallenangel: | conf.d ... |
| [07:28:00] | Kury: | LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/lircd" |
| [07:28:00] | Kury: | thats it... |
| [07:29:00] | Kury: | I'm not really sure where to go on this anymore.. |
| [07:29:00] | fallenangel: | run this: |
| [07:29:00] | fallenangel: | ls -la /dev/lirc* |
| [07:29:00] | fallenangel: | post it in pastebin and tell me what you get |
| [07:30:00] | Kury: | all one line... srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Dec 14 01:06 /dev/lircd |
| [07:31:00] | fallenangel: | did you modprobe it? |
| [07:31:00] | Kury: | modprobe? lirc? |
| [07:31:00] | fallenangel: | yeah for me i have a pvr so I did modprobe lirc-i2c |
| [07:33:00] | fallenangel: | i am not sure if that would be the correct module for you though |
| [07:34:00] | Kury: | what pvr are you running? I have the 350.. |
| [07:36:00] | fallenangel: | that is mine |
| [07:36:00] | fallenangel: | so run that command |
| [07:36:00] | fallenangel: | then see if you have more than 1 output on the ls command |
| [07:37:00] | Kury: | http://pastebin.com/463406 |
| [07:37:00] | fallenangel: | ok.....this sucks |
| [07:38:00] | fallenangel: | here is my story |
| [07:38:00] | fallenangel: | i was just in your shoes a couple days ago with lirc and ivtv |
| [07:38:00] | Kury: | ya.. no crap.. I'v been fighting this for days.. |
| [07:38:00] | fallenangel: | with kernel 2.6.13 and newer there is a function call that is wrong |
| [07:38:00] | Kury: | what kernel are you running.. |
| [07:38:00] | fallenangel: | i am using gentoo too |
| [07:38:00] | ** poop finishes his new remote conf ** | |
| [07:39:00] | ** poop e-mails ** | |
| [07:39:00] | Kury: | damn it.. I just down graded to .13... cuz someone said *it* was fixed.. :( |
| [07:39:00] | fallenangel: | so instead of trying to patch the files, i went to kernel.org and got 2.6.12.6 |
| [07:39:00] | fallenangel: | installed that |
| [07:39:00] | fallenangel: | and now its fine |
| [07:39:00] | Kury: | what are you running that you got it all to work? |
| [07:39:00] | Kury: | K |
| [07:39:00] | fallenangel: | after getting that kernel i re-emerge everything and it all worked |
| [07:39:00] | fallenangel: | and if you are using gentoo make sure your clock is set to UTC and not local |
| [07:40:00] | Kury: | whats the deal w/ the clock? |
| [07:41:00] | fallenangel: | after singing up with the XMLTV stuff, it was 5 hours off |
| [07:41:00] | Kury: | did you have to go to 2.6.12.6 for a reason? or should 2.6.12.10 work alright? |
| [07:41:00] | fallenangel: | i still can't change channels though.... |
| [07:41:00] | fallenangel: | that is my last problem i have |
| [07:41:00] | Kury: | .. not even w/ ptune.pl? |
| [07:41:00] | fallenangel: | .10 should work |
| [07:42:00] | fallenangel: | i thought i read some where that was depricated by somethign with ivtv, i am willing to give it a shot though |
| [07:42:00] | fallenangel: | do you know how to use that? |
| [07:42:00] | Kury: | .. try running ptune.pl -c 2 |
| [07:42:00] | Kury: | where 2 is the channle # |
| [07:43:00] | Kury: | or you can run.. ptunegui.pl I believe it is.. its ptune something.. |
| [07:45:00] | fallenangel: | i will try that then |
| [07:45:00] | fallenangel: | thanks |
| [07:46:00] | Kury: | thank you too.. |
| [07:46:00] | Kury: | I'm working on d/l the new source currently.. |
| [07:47:00] | fallenangel: | does ptune.pl work with Myth? |
| [07:47:00] | Kury: | ... its part of the ivtv drivers.. |
| [07:47:00] | Kury: | its comes w/ them.. |
| [07:47:00] | Kury: | he look what I just found... it must have been added here recently.. |
| [07:47:00] | Kury: | Also, if lirc still fails to compile, and you are trying a 0.7* lirc with a >=2.6.14 Kernel, this may never work. You have to get an unnoficial >=0.8 ebuild for the new lirc. I expect this will be resolved sometime soon though |
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| [10:38:00] | wole: | mornin all |
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| [12:52:00] | juski: | quiet in here today.. 'sup? |
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| [12:57:00] | laga: | nothing. ;) |
| [12:57:00] | laga: | juski: sup? |
| [12:57:00] | juski: | laga: nothing ;) not havin a Bud though |
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| [12:58:00] | laga: | sad. well, a german proverb says that you shouldn't have beer before 4pm, so it's acceptable. |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | I'd say well it's after 4pm, in a different timezone, so it's okay :) |
| [13:00:00] | laga: | right. cheers. ;) |
| [13:01:00] | ** laga is currently tinkering with portsentry on openwrt ** | |
| [13:02:00] | laga: | network stuff is always fun, i just wish that i'd understand it better |
| [13:03:00] | juski: | ahhh |
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| [13:41:00] | FairWtns: | Ho hum. |
| [13:48:00] | quacker: | Oh, huh? |
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| [13:50:00] | Pix: | hi pple, i'm having font size problems with 0.18.1 on fedora (i already did the urw-fonts-2.1–7.noarch.rpm thing), but no way. changing size of fonts in appearance doesn't change size of the menu's font, and i have some entries trunkated (using french translation). somebody heard about such issue ? |
| [13:51:00] | laga: | Pix: make sure that your display resolution is set to 100dpi |
| [13:52:00] | Pix: | i saw on a blog entry that it could be changed in xorg.conf, yeah, but i didn't found how to associate dpi with the two values of DisplayThingy |
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| [13:52:00] | Barni_: | hi all |
| [13:53:00] | Barni_: | i have an ASUS WiFI/TV card and i don't know which linux distributions would be the best for it |
| [13:53:00] | Barni_: | please help me |
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| [13:59:00] | Barni_: | please help me out |
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| [14:02:00] | laga: | Barni_: use google |
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| [14:15:00] | juski: | Pix: some themes don't allow you to change all the font sizes – they usually let you change the font size of text in the program guide etc, just not in main menus |
| [14:16:00] | juski: | for you to be able to edit the font size in the appearance menu, a theme must have definitions for <small> and <large> IIRC |
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| [14:18:00] | Pix: | aaah |
| [14:18:00] | Pix: | ty |
| [14:18:00] | Pix: | i'm gonna dive into xml then |
| [14:18:00] | Pix: | :) |
| [14:19:00] | Pix: | (coz i tried from 65 to 160 dpi and saw no change) |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | Pix: there will be a limit to how big you can make text in most themes – the button space is what limits that |
| [14:19:00] | Pix: | i want text to be smaller |
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| [14:20:00] | juski: | then you might experience some alignment issues |
| [14:21:00] | Pix: | fine :) i enjoy having fun |
| [14:22:00] | juski: | Pix: be careful editing the xml files anyway.. any syntax errors & mythfrontend may no longer load |
| [14:22:00] | Pix: | i learned the "backup before" lesson a long time ago :) |
| [14:23:00] | juski: | Pix: a wise move ;) |
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| [14:25:00] | juski: | oh here I go.. crash course introduction to Ethereal so I can test a new LAN IC |
| [14:26:00] | laga: | juski: ;) |
| [14:26:00] | laga: | juski: enjoy. knowledge is good for you. ;) |
| [14:28:00] | juski: | I've played with it before, so see if my webpage passwords are _really_ plaintext.. but I need to do some filtering to spot anomalies like retries & things |
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| [14:51:00] | FairWtns: | juski: You have to edit the xml files, otherwise any font changes are ignored. I'm hoping this is a bit more easily customizable in .19 as each theme determines it's font size |
| [14:52:00] | FairWtns: | I think it's like mainmenu.xml or ui.xml |
| [14:53:00] | FairWtns: | Usually in /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
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| [14:59:00] | Pix: | juski, ty very much |
| [14:59:00] | Pix: | it was a harcoded fontsize in the theme:) |
| [14:59:00] | juski: | Pix: which theme? |
| [15:00:00] | Pix: | MythCenter |
| [15:00:00] | juski: | aah |
| [15:00:00] | Pix: | i think font size is just ok for english language |
| [15:00:00] | Pix: | not for french :) |
| [15:00:00] | juski: | probably not for german either |
| [15:00:00] | Pix: | yeah :) |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | what size have you changed it to? |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | it was 16 point IIRC |
| [15:01:00] | Pix: | 20 to 16 |
| [15:01:00] | Pix: | in theme.xml, <genericbutton> |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | ahh. I think my own theme uses 16 point text anyway |
| [15:02:00] | juski: | perfectly readable on my TV |
| [15:02:00] | jams: | juski- is that at 100dpi? |
| [15:02:00] | juski: | yep |
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| [15:02:00] | juski: | PAL TV mind ;) |
| [15:03:00] | Pix: | :) |
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| [15:03:00] | Pix: | what's your theme, juski ? |
| [15:03:00] | juski: | Pix: www.juski.co.uk |
| [15:04:00] | Pix: | pretty cute, gz |
| [15:05:00] | laga: | what's "gz"? |
| [15:05:00] | Pix: | greetings :) |
| [15:05:00] | juski: | they had to shorten 'greetz' ? lol |
| [15:06:00] | juski: | I think eventually l337 haxx0r speek wil be reduced to a 26 word vocabulary... one char per word ;) |
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| [15:07:00] | moonie-work: | f |
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| [15:07:00] | juski: | y |
| [15:07:00] | laga: | hehe ;). ok, g2g. ttyl, cya. |
| [15:08:00] | rjune: | juski: nice, it work with .18.1 or just svn? |
| [15:08:00] | juski: | rjune: both |
| [15:08:00] | juski: | in version 1.7 anyway |
| [15:09:00] | juski: | post any problems to the mailing list or the email address in readme.txt |
| [15:11:00] | Pix: | f***ing french translation |
| [15:11:00] | Pix: | the guy made HUGE sentences for menu entries |
| [15:11:00] | Pix: | too much words :| |
| [15:12:00] | daieldk: | Does any of u guys know if theres an "official" release of mythtv due soon – 18.1 is getting a bit old |
| [15:12:00] | rjune: | daieldk: shh, Chutt pushes back the release whenever somebody asks taht |
| [15:13:00] | juski: | daieldk: patience is a virtue you don't seem to be blessed with ;) |
| [15:13:00] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [15:13:00] | fryfrog: | reminds me of mom |
| [15:13:00] | daieldk: | or maby just an "stabe" svn? |
| [15:13:00] | daieldk: | stable |
| [15:13:00] | fryfrog: | "every time you ask how long until christmas, i'm gooing to cut off one of your fingers" |
| [15:13:00] | fryfrog: | i can only count to 7 :/ |
| [15:14:00] | fryfrog: | there is a 0.18.2 stable svn branch |
| [15:14:00] | fryfrog: | and the normal svn actually tends to be pretty okay |
| [15:14:00] | ** _nero_ is running svn.. works well.. ** | |
| [15:15:00] | fryfrog: | the live tv shutdown (on purpose) from a month or so was probably the worst i've seen happen in svn |
| [15:15:00] | fryfrog: | but it was on purpose so, blah |
| [15:15:00] | _nero_: | yup.. and as long as you read the dev list/commits, isaac is good about warning you that it will not work for a while. |
| [15:15:00] | daieldk: | ok -catch is that i need to stay on protocol ver. 18 |
| [15:16:00] | juski: | dieldk: haha. no point upgrading then |
| [15:16:00] | ** _nero_ shakes his head and walks away.. ** | |
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| [15:16:00] | juski: | anyway, why the need to stay on that protocal version? |
| [15:17:00] | daieldk: | okay – i'll take this in another direction – anybody know of an minimyth dist. wich runs prot > 18 |
| [15:18:00] | juski: | there isn't one |
| [15:18:00] | juski: | but if you go linpvr.org & ask VERY nicely someone might just build one for you |
| [15:18:00] | daieldk: | yeah well – i could do it myself via gar..? |
| [15:19:00] | juski: | I dunno why I'm even answering this though -0 never seen the point in upgrading just for the pure sake of it |
| [15:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | daieldk: Why that specificl protocol number ? Not many packages or distros will be using that specific area of the svn code |
| [15:20:00] | daieldk: | GreyFoxx: because i'm running an minimyth frontend on a diskless epia mobo |
| [15:20:00] | daieldk: | wich runs 18.1 |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I thought 0.18.x was protocol 15 |
| [15:20:00] | juski: | daieldk: you could always try making your own build using GAR |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | but ok |
| [15:21:00] | daieldk: | yeah ur right it does run prot. 15 :| |
| [15:22:00] | daieldk: | Juski: yeah but suspect i'll be opening a whole other can o worms |
| [15:22:00] | juski: | just do what I'm doing & bide your time |
| [15:22:00] | juski: | a very good thing is never rushed ;) |
| [15:22:00] | daieldk: | ;-D |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | cross your fingers and you might have an Xmas or New years present :)9 |
| [15:23:00] | daieldk: | oh btw: is s*sc a nono here? |
| [15:24:00] | juski: | ? |
| [15:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | it is |
| [15:24:00] | daieldk: | oki |
| [15:24:00] | juski: | s*sc? |
| [15:24:00] | rjune: | juski: yeah, ? |
| [15:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski : softcam software |
| [15:24:00] | ** rjune is still lost ** | |
| [15:24:00] | juski: | ahh |
| [15:25:00] | rjune: | a company? |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, software for decrypting encrypted sat signals |
| [15:25:00] | daieldk: | rjune: you didn't hear anything... |
| [15:25:00] | juski: | rjune: project grayhem 1.7 is good with SVN,, or at least it was last week or so |
| [15:26:00] | juski: | try on the undernet, if it still exists |
| [15:26:00] | juski: | if they haven't all l3373d themselves to little bits |
| [15:27:00] | Beirdo: | agggggh |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | éééééééé |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | WTFÉ |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | who switched my keyboard to french? |
| [15:28:00] | NightBird: | .. |
| [15:29:00] | ** NightBird switches it back? ** | |
| [15:29:00] | daieldk: | bye – thanks for your help! |
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| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | that's actually funny in a lame way |
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| [15:30:00] | ** Beirdo starts deleting shows ** | |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | I need a more powerful desktop machine.. record the IT dept will give me a new one if I leave this one running with no fan over the weekend? |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | they'll just make you use it |
| [15:31:00] | moonie-work: | abacus |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | wtf? not 'record'... 'reckon'... is this thing spellchecking? |
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| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | mythweb needs a mode where it doesn't show the previews at all |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | this is obnoxious sometimes |
| [15:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | vi file.php |
| [15:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | ;) |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | I said SOMETIMES :) |
| [15:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | cp file.php file2.php; vi file2.php; vi index.php add linke to file2.php ;) |
| [15:34:00] | ** Beirdo waits for 200 pixmaps to update ** | |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [15:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think those are auto generated when a recording finishes now, so it should only have to create for those that don't have it yet |
| [15:35:00] | Beirdo: | well, it still recreates em |
| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | mine doesn't |
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| [15:36:00] | Beirdo: | I don't have time to fight with it, I just want to delete a pile of shows |
| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | only for files that don't have one |
| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | like inprogress recordings |
| [15:37:00] | Beirdo: | I think I pissed my server off :) |
| [15:37:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [15:37:00] | Beirdo: | I still have stuff from March! |
| [15:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | ehhe |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | gotta get off my ass and archive the old Monster Garage episodes and DELETE them |
| [15:39:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: I did it |
| [15:42:00] | Beirdo: | got plenty of shows to delete :) |
| [15:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:46:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [15:46:00] | Beirdo: | 14 episodes of Iron Chef America |
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| [15:49:00] | Beirdo: | oh screw it, I'm deleting them all |
| [15:50:00] | juski: | I still have 'how to sleep better' from last year to watch. think I've sussed it now though.. just _get mythtv working_, then sleep better |
| [15:51:00] | Beirdo: | another 14h of programming deleted |
| [15:51:00] | Beirdo: | wonder what my oldest show is now? |
| [15:51:00] | moonie-work: | I find I sleep best when I move my keyboard slightly left on my desk here at work |
| [15:51:00] | Beirdo: | Monster Garage from March 28, 2005 |
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| [16:01:00] | rjune: | moonie-work: more room for your head? |
| [16:01:00] | moonie-work: | ssshhhh! sleepin |
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| [16:03:00] | ** Beirdo belches ** | |
| [16:03:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm, coffee belch |
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| [16:40:00] | praet: | lo folks.. just wanted to say thanks for the help yesterday |
| [16:41:00] | wole: | anyone got any experience automating nuveport? |
| [16:42:00] | wole: | nuvexport |
| [16:43:00] | dmz: | have you gotten nuvexport to even work? |
| [16:43:00] | wole: | er... |
| [16:43:00] | wole: | no :-$ |
| [16:43:00] | dmz: | heh |
| [16:43:00] | wole: | has anyone? |
| [16:45:00] | dmz: | not that i know |
| [16:45:00] | wole: | oh |
| [16:45:00] | dmz: | i think that the more recent libraries break it |
| [16:45:00] | wole: | i see... |
| [16:45:00] | dmz: | i've always wondered if i could just rename my .nuv (pvr350 mpeg) and put in my video directory and if they would "just work" |
| [16:46:00] | wole: | do you know of any way of exprting the video? |
| [16:46:00] | dmz: | nope |
| [16:46:00] | wole: | well |
| [16:46:00] | dmz: | i've looked at mythburn which is part of mythweb but it doesn't work either (i've not dug into that as much as nuvexport) |
| [16:46:00] | dmz: | very annoying |
| [16:47:00] | dmz: | it's the 1 feature that makes mythtv not rock :( |
| [16:47:00] | wole: | i have had some success using mplayerc and samba |
| [16:47:00] | Krazylegz: | dmz: Renaming should work. |
| [16:47:00] | dmz: | i'm going to try that next |
| [16:47:00] | Krazylegz: | From a PVR-250, they are just MPEG files. |
| [16:47:00] | wole: | with the mythds filters installed |
| [16:47:00] | juski: | why do people even want to burn disks these days? |
| [16:48:00] | dmz: | if i could have multiple "recordings" directories and keep adding disks I'd go with that |
| [16:48:00] | wole: | i want to distribute the recordings around our lan (600 machines) |
| [16:48:00] | dmz: | however since i can't easily restripe disks every time my recordings fill up... |
| [16:48:00] | juski: | wole: talk to a TV company & tell them you wanna do that. see what they say |
| [16:48:00] | dmz: | wole mythtv can play them across the lan "on-demand" |
| [16:48:00] | fryfrog: | dmz, LVM sir :) |
| [16:49:00] | wole: | you could if you use LVM |
| [16:49:00] | wole: | heh |
| [16:49:00] | dmz: | fryfrog yeah but there comes a point when i can't add any more disks to a system :( |
| [16:49:00] | fryfrog: | no way! |
| [16:49:00] | fryfrog: | helloooo usb2 and/or firewire! |
| [16:49:00] | fryfrog: | i've got 7 drives in mine now |
| [16:49:00] | ** dmz wants it to "look nice" :) ** | |
| [16:49:00] | fryfrog: | mmmm, room for 1 more! |
| [16:49:00] | juski: | there never comes a point when disks stop getting inordinately big |
| [16:49:00] | dmz: | wife is barly putting up with it in the cabinet as it is |
| [16:50:00] | fryfrog: | thats true, just have two drives... throw in a double of your current, use lvm to move data off older small |
| [16:50:00] | fryfrog: | then put in another big one |
| [16:50:00] | juski: | fryfrog: I hope you're keeping em nice & cool |
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| [16:50:00] | dmz: | i'm actually going to build a file server in the garage |
| [16:50:00] | dmz: | but that'll have to wait til i get more $$ |
| [16:51:00] | dmz: | bbl, gotta go pick up parts for vw |
| [16:51:00] | sphing_: | dmz: does having a file server slow down myth? |
| [16:51:00] | juski: | I'm still on evaluating Maxtor's 500GB disks :) |
| [16:52:00] | sphing_: | how much are they |
| [16:52:00] | poop: | kaboom! |
| [16:53:00] | fryfrog: | why would a file server slow down myth? |
| [16:53:00] | fryfrog: | i'm done evaluating 5x 320G WD drives :0 |
| [16:53:00] | sphing_: | in the sense that now the files are on the nfs |
| [16:54:00] | sphing_: | backend <----> nfs would be the bottle neck |
| [16:54:00] | fryfrog: | not really |
| [16:54:00] | fryfrog: | 2mbit/sec <<<< 100mbit/sec |
| [16:54:00] | fryfrog: | HD is what, like up to 10mbit/sec? |
| [16:55:00] | fryfrog: | and if you *happen* to have 10 clients streaming HD... there is always 1000mbit network :) |
| [16:55:00] | sphing_: | hahah |
| [16:55:00] | sphing_ is now known as sphing | |
| [16:55:00] | sphing: | clear |
| [16:55:00] | sphing: | ^ meant for console |
| [16:55:00] | fryfrog: | ls |
| [16:55:00] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [16:56:00] | sphing: | fryfrog: do you use raid or lvm? |
| [16:56:00] | fryfrog: | just raid |
| [16:56:00] | sphing: | ah |
| [16:56:00] | fryfrog: | linux kernel software raid |
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| [16:58:00] | sphing: | a while back i read about some linux software that combined two nic cards |
| [16:58:00] | fryfrog: | its called bonding |
| [16:58:00] | fryfrog: | and its been around a while, afaik |
| [16:58:00] | sphing: | yea.... but it wasnt bonding |
| [16:58:00] | fryfrog: | oh? |
| [16:59:00] | wole: | teaming |
| [16:59:00] | sphing: | yea i thought it was too... but i remember reading in the faq "this is not bonding" |
| [16:59:00] | sphing: | wole... you got a link? |
| [16:59:00] | wole: | cisco call it teaming, or trunking |
| [16:59:00] | wole: | hp procurve switches call it teaming |
| [17:00:00] | sphing: | would be some serious hotness on a file server |
| [17:00:00] | sphing: | two $7 nics getting some ridiculous throughput |
| [17:01:00] | wole: | you have to have special nics |
| [17:01:00] | wole: | it's not cheap to set up |
| [17:01:00] | wole: | (unless there is some clever *nix software, there usually is ;)) |
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| [17:02:00] | sphing: | wole: i think there is... im searching for it now |
| [17:02:00] | wole: | http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global . . . en&s=biz |
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| [17:07:00] | wole: | If your NIC driver supports teaming (load balancing or trunking in meaning), you should connect it to a switch with LB or trunking capabilities. Teamed NICs form virtual NIC with single IP address. |
| [17:07:00] | wole: | If your onboard NICs don't have such capabilities, you should buy for example 3Com's NICs (100Mb or 1Gig). Moreover, if you want to make even more resilient server connection, then you could buy two 3Com's switches with XRN interconnect and connect each of your teamed NICs to diferent switch. This will form a very relieable aggregated link. |
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| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | NP: Extreme – Li'l Jack Horny |
| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:10:00] | wole: | sorry, on cisco's they call it fast etherchannel |
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| [17:11:00] | Krazylegz: | There comes a point when your hard drive budget looks funny. |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | budget?! |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | you on crack? |
| [17:12:00] | Beirdo: | just go buy drives like any other geek, no budgeting allowed |
| [17:12:00] | wole: | the best size to by (bucks per byte) is 300gb at the moment |
| [17:12:00] | wole: | you have to budget when you are going to make an attay, as they all have to be the same |
| [17:12:00] | wole: | array |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | no they don't |
| [17:13:00] | sphing: | they just have to be the same speed |
| [17:13:00] | Krazylegz: | wole: Good, that's what I just bought. :-) |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | not necessarily, sphing |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | if you do RAID6, then yes |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | or was it RAID3 |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | one of them requires spindle sync |
| [17:14:00] | wole: | uuh, raid5 |
| [17:14:00] | wole: | isn't it? |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | RAID5 doesn't require same size, speed, or anything like that |
| [17:14:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: i just took a file in my filesystems class... having diff hd speeds KILLS the performance of raid |
| [17:14:00] | sphing: | took a final* |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | sphing: depends on the type of RAID |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | completely depends |
| [17:15:00] | sphing: | 0 and 1 of course |
| [17:15:00] | sphing: | and at least 4 and 5 |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | and most people don't use RAID for the performance, they use it for redundancy |
| [17:15:00] | juski: | 0 isn't RAID.. more like AID |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | mirroring is damn slow |
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| [17:15:00] | wole: | i thought that there were raids 1, 0, 10, 01, 5 & jbod – the rest are proprietory aren't they? |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [17:16:00] | sphing: | nope |
| [17:16:00] | sphing: | no one uses 2 or 3 |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | just almost never used |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | and "jbod" isn't RAID |
| [17:17:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: i still dont understand exactly how raid5 is redundant |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | parity disk. |
| [17:17:00] | sphing: | there is no parity disk in raid 5 |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | except the parity disk is striped with the rest of the data |
| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | sure there is |
| [17:17:00] | sphing: | ever disk is a parity disk |
| [17:18:00] | ** Beirdo slaps sphing with a textbook ** | |
| [17:18:00] | wole: | in 5 the parity data is shared i tink |
| [17:18:00] | sphing: | wole... yes |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | logically, RAID5 has a parity disk |
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| [17:18:00] | sphing: | the parity is interleaved amongst the disk |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | but that "disk" is actually striped across all the disks |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | just like the data |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | but it still kinda has a parity disk |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | and that's how it's redundant |
| [17:18:00] | sphing: | raid4 has a parity disk... |
| [17:19:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: but if any disk in raid5 fails... |
| [17:19:00] | sphing: | you just lost data and parity... |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | then you still have valid data |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | as the parity stripes take over for the data that's missin |
| [17:19:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: but some of the parity was on the failed disk |
| [17:19:00] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [17:19:00] | Krazylegz: | Trust us, it works. |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | and that parity is for data on another disk |
| [17:20:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: o... i see.. |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | a two-drive failure will fuck ya good though |
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| [17:20:00] | sphing: | so if one disk fails... the parity on the other disk computes the lost data and the parity on the lost disk is just recomputed |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:20:00] | sphing: | that makes sense... |
| [17:20:00] | fryfrog: | sort of |
| [17:21:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: a two drive failure isn't happy for most raid configurations |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | and if you lose a second disk in the RAID5 set, you lose data |
| [17:21:00] | Krazylegz: | For the log: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/comp-c.html . |
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| [17:21:00] | rjune: | it's when you have hot backups that you don't have to worry about that |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | and it bloes |
| [17:21:00] | wole: | *but* if you have a disk fail on raid5 it takes ages to rebuild |
| [17:21:00] | Krazylegz: | They have their whole article here: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/ . |
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| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | wole: that depends on the controllers, etc |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | and all raid *benefits* from having identical drive specs |
| [17:21:00] | fryfrog: | size, spindle speed, etc |
| [17:21:00] | wole: | yeah, but generally raid 1+0 is much much quickr to recover |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | fryfrog: true :) but it ain't required for RAID0, 1, or 5 |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | makes life simpler though |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | its an implied requirement, but not a technical one |
| [17:22:00] | rjune: | there's just no point to not having identical drvies with the exception of raid0 |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | 4x 10k rpm disks with 1x 5400rpm disk will slow the WHOLE array down to the speed of the 5400rpm |
| [17:22:00] | xris: | rjune: sure there is... it's faster |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | fryfrog: actually, not precisely :) |
| [17:22:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, not that the 10k's will run slower |
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| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | the average speed will be lower |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | but it'll always be waiting for the 5400rpms's data |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | but not down to the 5400 speed |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | sure it will |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | and most people never max out their disks |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | it will *ALWAYS* have to wait for the 5400 rpm drive |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | no it won't |
| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | how? |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | only when the 5400 is going flat out |
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| [17:23:00] | rjune: | xris: if i have an 40GB 10k drive, and an 80G 10k drive, they're not identical, nor will they be slower or faster in RAID 0 |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | most people don't even get close to saturating their disk performance |
| [17:24:00] | sphing: | rjune: but they're both 10k |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | thats just not true, but let me finish some work real fast :p |
| [17:24:00] | xris: | rjune: raid5 vs raid1, thought you meant identical as far as data |
| [17:24:00] | rjune: | ah |
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| [17:24:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: statement was that hard drive specs should be identical. |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | if your array is relatively idle, the speed of the disks is nearly irrelevant |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | if it's busy, that's when it matters |
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| [17:25:00] | rjune: | one day I'll be cool enough to build a RAID array |
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| [17:25:00] | rjune: | one day. |
| [17:25:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: yes of course... if your machine is off then the drives speed are irrelevant |
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| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I didn't say OFF |
| [17:25:00] | fryfrog: | <+Beirdo> RAID5 doesn't require same size, speed, or anything like that |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | it doesn't |
| [17:25:00] | juski: | is ricers half hour over yet? |
| [17:25:00] | rjune: | no raid spec does. |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: not true |
| [17:25:00] | rjune: | it just doesn't make sense not to. |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | one of them requires spindle sync |
| [17:26:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: which one? |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | I think it was RAID3 |
| [17:26:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: yea i know... but if the raid isnt active then of course drive specs dont matter |
| [17:26:00] | rjune: | juski: naaa, we've not got into gentoo yet |
| [17:26:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: I know nothing of raid 3 |
| [17:26:00] | fryfrog: | thats like saying that your car doesn't *require* all 4 wheels/tires to be the same... |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | it's only really used for high-end video stuff |
| [17:26:00] | fryfrog: | well, i guess thats not a good example |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: it helps if they're roughly the same size. but you can vary width and not have much problem |
| [17:27:00] | juski: | yeh.. like _really_ high end video.. i.e. scanning & editing Hollywood movies |
| [17:27:00] | rjune: | it's when you vary diameter that your car really starts driving funny |
| [17:27:00] | fryfrog: | that was a bad example cause you can put big tires on the front and small on the back |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | juski: yup :) |
| [17:28:00] | fryfrog: | er, swapped |
| [17:28:00] | fryfrog: | er, not swapped if its FWD :) |
| [17:28:00] | rjune: | well, either actually |
| [17:28:00] | rjune: | just looks silly if the big-uns are on the front. kinda like them new hot wheels cars |
| [17:28:00] | fryfrog: | but i was *picturing* big wheels on the left, small on the right :) |
| [17:29:00] | rjune: | ifn you're driving around an oval you do that |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | it's more fun having big on the left in the front and on the right in the back |
| [17:29:00] | ** wole drives round in circles ** | |
| [17:29:00] | juski: | someone remember to never mention RAID again :) |
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| [17:29:00] | fryfrog: | ahhahaha |
| [17:29:00] | wole: | lol |
| [17:29:00] | Krazylegz: | fryfrog: They do that on oval tracks, it's called "stagger." |
| [17:29:00] | fryfrog: | okay okay its a bad exmple@! |
| [17:29:00] | rjune: | they use this thing called "camber" too |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | my point was... RAID doesn't REQUIRE the drives to be the same. It's likely smart to do so when possible though |
| [17:29:00] | fryfrog: | i almost emailed Beirdo's line cause it was in paste :) |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | but it ain't needed |
| [17:30:00] | wole: | think of a horse with different length legs |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | and in RAID4 with a parity disk, it makes sense to have the parity disk faster than the others |
| [17:30:00] | fryfrog: | its SOP |
| [17:30:00] | fryfrog: | its not just smart, its SOP :) |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | it's people who don't know shit about shit and think that they MUST |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | its better than them mixing a bunch of crap :p |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | if they do the right thing for the wrong reason... |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | I know people who refused to swap in a 7200RPM drive to their array and waited for the 10k RPM drive |
| [17:31:00] | rjune: | OBEY THE OPRAH! YOUR RAID DRIVES WILL MATCH!!! |
| [17:31:00] | fryfrog: | is that *bad*? |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | and the array failed while they waited |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | "but they HAVE to be the same" |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | no they DON'T retard |
| [17:31:00] | rjune: | nope. |
| [17:32:00] | rjune: | if you got no reason to make them different, don't bother. |
| [17:32:00] | juski: | today on the Jerry Springer show.. "My friend uses Gentoo" |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, but thinking they have to be the same leads to such idiocy |
| [17:32:00] | rjune: | juski: LOL |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | throw in a 4500RPM drive while you wait for the replacement for god's sakes |
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| [17:33:00] | rjune: | heh, my 2 year old is dancing his ass off to buster poindexter |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | then when the replacement shows, yank it and put in the "proper" drive |
| [17:33:00] | wole: | if you really want to think, what is better RAID 1+0 or RAID 0+1? |
| [17:33:00] | rjune: | all the while screaming hot hot hot |
| [17:33:00] | rjune: | wole: raid 10 |
| [17:33:00] | wole: | yeah |
| [17:33:00] | rjune: | you can loose a larger number of drives and more possible combinations then with raid 0+1 |
| [17:33:00] | fryfrog: | okay, in *that* situation its bad |
| [17:34:00] | rjune: | RAID 50 is for the truely paranoid |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | RAID5 with about 3 hot spares |
| [17:34:00] | fryfrog: | RAID6 with 2! |
| [17:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Group Buy for #mythtv-users on 300GB Maxtor SATA drives. |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | ewww |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | Maxtor?! |
| [17:34:00] | fryfrog: | maxtor is for bitches! |
| [17:34:00] | fryfrog: | go for seagates :) |
| [17:34:00] | jcsmith: | at the pharmaceutical company i work for we have several critical systems running raid 5 over raid 1 |
| [17:34:00] | Krazylegz: | "Live the Dream! Build your RAID5+1 NOW!" |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | fryfrog has it there :) Seagate |
| [17:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Fine, Seagate. |
| [17:34:00] | fryfrog: | wait, two raid 5s? |
| [17:34:00] | fryfrog: | or 5 raid 1s? |
| [17:35:00] | Krazylegz: | 2 RAID5s is what I meant. |
| [17:35:00] | Krazylegz: | RAID 1ed together. |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | 2 5's, raid 1nd? |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [17:35:00] | jcsmith: | no a raid 5 where each volume is raid 1 |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | hardware or software? |
| [17:35:00] | jcsmith: | hardware |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | jcsmith: doesn't surprise me, the logical end to this silliness is raid 5 over raid 5 over raid 1 |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | spiffy |
| [17:35:00] | Krazylegz: | There is no group buy on the controllers.... |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | you'll be able to loose 3/4s of your drives before a failure |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | controllers are for sizzys! |
| [17:35:00] | fryfrog: | sissys :) |
| [17:35:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: controllers are for hotswaps |
| [17:36:00] | fryfrog: | hotswap is for sissys too! |
| [17:36:00] | jcsmith: | controllers are for hotswap+performance |
| [17:36:00] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [17:36:00] | jcsmith: | hardware raid is much faster than software |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | silly rabbit. trix are for kids |
| [17:36:00] | fryfrog: | depends |
| [17:36:00] | fryfrog: | but *real* hardware is better :) |
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| [17:36:00] | ** rjune imagines how cool his 10TB array will be ** | |
| [17:37:00] | Krazylegz: | jcsmith: What about if you have a dual-processor system, run software RAID, and mostly single-processor applications? Hmm? |
| [17:37:00] | fryfrog: | I'd be happy for someone to give me a $600 SATA raid card :) |
| [17:37:00] | juski: | 10TB of telly. shit! |
| [17:37:00] | fryfrog: | but software was cheaper :/ |
| [17:37:00] | rjune: | Krazylegz: if you have multiple processes running, you're gonna use two procs |
| [17:37:00] | rjune: | juski: you don't wanna know how much I 've got now |
| [17:37:00] | fryfrog: | Krazylegz: with todays CPU speeds, software raid isn't going to be an issue until you get *WAY* up into the stratosphere of server usage |
| [17:38:00] | jcsmith: | well if several single-processor applicatiosn are running at once why not save the cpu for the applications let the parity calculations happen in asic |
| [17:38:00] | juski: | TV is like completely disposable. you're never more than 3 months away from a whole series repeat in a lot of cases |
| [17:38:00] | Krazylegz: | I know, it was a joke guys. :-) |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | why can't we all just get a bong? |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
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| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Unlike you, we don't all live in Canada! |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | suckers |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:39:00] | juski: | so has anyone here ever considered making an archive of everything they ever recorded? |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | no thanks, I record too much |
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| [17:40:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: you canucks are strange folk |
| [17:40:00] | jcsmith: | all of this raid talk has got me wondering, what sort of storage do you guys have for your myth? |
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| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | whatever, rjune :) |
| [17:40:00] | rjune: | I've got a 400 GB drive |
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| [17:41:00] | juski: | jcsmith: 180GB for TV recordings, then my mp3 & movies are on a 250GB HDD |
| [17:42:00] | fryfrog: | 5x 320G RAID5, 1.2TB |
| [17:42:00] | fryfrog: | I tell Myth it can use all but 100G, but I use up about 300G+ for other misc. stuff |
| [17:43:00] | jcsmith: | i have a 120 and 160 gb drive in the box i'm planning on using for myth when my pvr-150 arrives, hopefully sometime in the near future i can build a dedicated file server with 2–3tb of storage |
| [17:43:00] | juski: | hometime... see y'all :) |
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| [17:43:00] | fryfrog: | I've got an *awsome* case with 8 slots and great cooling |
| [17:43:00] | fryfrog: | have room for 1 more drive, but i'd prolly make it another 320G and do hotspare |
| [17:44:00] | fryfrog: | or maybe RAID6 if MD supports going from raid5-raid6 |
| [17:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | vim |
| [17:44:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/Toys/ChenbroSR10769/ |
| [17:45:00] | fryfrog: | thats the best non-rack mount case i've ever worked with (not that i work with a lot of server cases) |
| [17:45:00] | jcsmith: | hopefully in the nex year i can find the $$ to build my file server, want to run solaris10 with ZFS on it with the drives in there raid-z (pretty much software raid 5) configuration |
| [17:45:00] | fryfrog: | slowlaris on x86? |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | fryfrog: Sol10 is a lot more advanced than Linux, and Sun sells AMD64 boxes now |
| [17:45:00] | jcsmith: | i've gotta run ttyl |
| [17:46:00] | jcsmith: | indeed solaris on AMD64 |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | there's nothing slow about Solaris |
| [17:46:00] | fryfrog: | bah, but its a fun name! |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | I used to call it that too |
| [17:46:00] | fryfrog: | wait, didn't sol go OSS recently? |
| [17:46:00] | fryfrog: | or something? |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | until I started using it, and realized just how... ignorant... I was being |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | I think they opensourced a version of Sol10, yes |
| [17:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo: Don't you mean.....Canadian? |
| [17:47:00] | ** Beirdo wants a 96-way Sun box ** | |
| [17:47:00] | fryfrog: | stereotypes are more fun thatn the truth :/ |
| [17:47:00] | ** Krazylegz takes a stab at Beirdo's nationality ** | |
| [17:47:00] | fryfrog: | you mountie! |
| [17:47:00] | poop: | excellent, apparently just need broadcast for firewire |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | Krazylegz: get it right. Americans are the ignorant ones :) |
| [17:47:00] | fryfrog: | no no@! |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | Canadians just complain a lot |
| [17:48:00] | fryfrog: | american *elect* the ignorant ones! |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | he's not ignorant |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | he's STUPID |
| [17:48:00] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [17:48:00] | fryfrog: | did you read the onion's recent "story" on him and chaney? |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | I don't read that stuff |
| [17:48:00] | fryfrog: | theonion? |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | I got too many other distractions :) |
| [17:48:00] | fryfrog: | how can you *not* read it! |
| [17:48:00] | Krazylegz: | Cheney. |
| [17:49:00] | fryfrog: | its almost as good as Daily Show |
| [17:49:00] | Krazylegz: | Chaney was some black guy who started a school around here. |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | don't have time for that either |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, Jon-o, but you take too much of my time |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | I'm currently lucky to get to watch 3h of TV a week |
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| [17:54:00] | poop: | spoke too soon |
| [17:55:00] | poop: | Linux will start doing firewire when noone cares anymore. |
| [17:55:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: americans are the ignorant ones? don't let a little thing like reality get in your way. :-) |
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| [17:55:00] | laga: | reality is overrated anyways |
| [17:56:00] | rjune: | indeed |
| [17:56:00] | rjune: | my mother in-law doesn't let reality distract her from what a jerk I am. |
| [17:56:00] | laga: | hehe ;) |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: yes, the Yanks are the ignorant ones :) |
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| [18:05:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: watch it now... you're gonna be one yourself |
| [18:05:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [18:08:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: he just doesn't want to admit that canada is the 51st state |
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| [18:09:00] | Chutt: | geez, this nokia 770 has a crappy battery |
| [18:09:00] | Cardoe: | rjune: heh |
| [18:09:00] | rjune: | everybody seems to have one of them |
| [18:09:00] | Cardoe: | rjune: It's like living in the loft apartment over a really great party. |
| [18:09:00] | Chutt: | i've got 2 :p |
| [18:10:00] | Chutt: | shipping mistake, probably will have to send one back |
| [18:10:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: and not going because you're too cool |
| [18:10:00] | Chutt: | only got one because of the 'open source developers' program they had a while back |
| [18:10:00] | Chutt: | cost me $100 instead of msrp |
| [18:11:00] | rjune: | well, two |
| [18:11:00] | rjune: | heh |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: we shall see |
| [18:11:00] | Chutt: | so far, the UI is crappy |
| [18:11:00] | Chutt: | it's _slow_ |
| [18:11:00] | Chutt: | and things don't always work as you'd expect them to |
| [18:12:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: re-sell? |
| [18:12:00] | Chutt: | naw |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | skeet shooting? |
| [18:12:00] | Cardoe: | So how have you guys been? |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | tired |
| [18:13:00] | Cardoe: | Now to try to pop in this Nvidia card I got cheap into my ppc box to see if TV out works. |
| [18:13:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: tell me about it. |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | other than that, not too bad |
| [18:13:00] | Cardoe: | I work 50 hours a week plus class. |
| [18:13:00] | Chutt: | bah, 50 hours? |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | working over Christmas on the non-days-off |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | I did 84h/week for 6 weeks straight once |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | 12h/day, 7days/week |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | and the fuckers didn't pay me overtime |
| [18:14:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: I have a crappy retail college job. |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | so I took 3 weeks off with pay on my manager's say-so |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | then told the president of the company to shove it up his ass when he complained... |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | "don't make me call the Ministry of Labour on you!" |
| [18:15:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: btw.. Just to give you some tips |
| [18:15:00] | Cardoe: | when you come down here. |
| [18:15:00] | Cardoe: | Don't spell it Labour |
| [18:15:00] | Cardoe: | :-D |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I gotta spell everything wrong |
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| [18:15:00] | laga: | i feel with you |
| [18:15:00] | Krazylegz: | Labore. |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | but anyways :) |
| [18:16:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | dammit, I need coffee |
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| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | dougl: how's life in Winterpeg? |
| [18:17:00] | dougl: | not too bad today... on the plus side of 0 anyway |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:18:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: I did 12h/d 6 days a week for 3 months, for $8/hour |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | just below freezing here at the centre of the universe |
| [18:18:00] | rjune: | working for your father sucks. |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: yeah, but that was 6days/week :) try 7, it sux |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | but yes, working for family can really suck |
| [18:25:00] | Krazylegz: | My friends thought it was cold last night. It was like 20. |
| [18:25:00] | Krazylegz: | 20F, that is. |
| [18:25:00] | Krazylegz: | Barely any wind too. |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | 3 cheers for Cardoe |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | He just got Modular X with specific depends working on x86 and ppc on Gentoo. |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | Krazylegz: not too bad. |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | Every package is modularized. |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | it's like 23F here right now |
| [18:26:00] | exstatica: | so anyone really familiar with vlc? |
| [18:26:00] | exstatica: | i got my mythstreamtv to work, but i want to stream it to a relay server |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure someone is |
| [18:26:00] | laga: | Cardoe: excellent. ;) |
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| [18:36:00] | darkfrog: | What's a good low-profile case I can use to build a Mythbox in? |
| [18:37:00] | Krazylegz: | Pundit-R. |
| [18:38:00] | darkfrog: | Thanks, but I'm looking for a case, not a full machine |
| [18:38:00] | FunkyStickman: | micro-ATX? |
| [18:40:00] | darkfrog: | no....standard |
| [18:40:00] | xris: | antec overture |
| [18:41:00] | xris: | (if "standard" is "full ATX") |
| [18:41:00] | FunkyStickman: | I love the Lian-Li 800... awesome case, but it's $130 |
| [18:41:00] | FunkyStickman: | and it's not low-profile |
| [18:41:00] | FunkyStickman: | just regular desktop |
| [18:43:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/ |
| [18:43:00] | fryfrog: | try that one, super-low profile ;p |
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| [18:44:00] | sphing: | does anyone know a case similar to the macmini? |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | the mac mini perhaps? |
| [18:45:00] | sphing: | wow... i hadn't thought of that |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | good luck finding stuff similar to Apple |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | they are superb at industrial design |
| [18:45:00] | fryfrog: | awsome at it! |
| [18:45:00] | darkfrog: | thanks guys |
| [18:45:00] | sphing: | i meant just a small case... essentially big enough for a mini-itx or micro-itx |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | Antec Aria |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | not all that "small" |
| [18:46:00] | poop: | sphing: Silverstone has some itx cases iirc |
| [18:46:00] | FunkyStickman: | The morex Cubid cases are really popular |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | but it's about as small as you can get for micro-atx with drives |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | unless you want it overheating too :) |
| [18:46:00] | sphing: | haha.. no drives |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | I know Lian and a few others make small microatx cases |
| [18:47:00] | sphing: | just a netbooted mobo |
| [18:47:00] | darkfrog: | I like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119100 the best so far for the price. The only problem is I guess it takes a special motherboard |
| [18:48:00] | darkfrog: | it says standard ATX, but the cards have to go sideways |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | likely comes with a riser |
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| [18:48:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: ot question: why does reiser3 corrupt recordings? |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | never used it |
| [18:49:00] | sphing: | i just saw that in the mythtv docs.. this is after i've been using reiser3 for like 6 months |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | note to all... xfs is good for recordings. :) |
| [18:49:00] | sphing: | yea i'm switching to that today... but i was just curious |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | reiser's been known to have various problems over the years |
| [18:50:00] | praet: | is there an ir transmitter port on the pvr-250 |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:51:00] | praet: | but ther is one on the 150 |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | perhaps |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | hauppauge's website can tell you all about it |
| [18:51:00] | sphing: | praet: transmitter.... or receiver |
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| [18:52:00] | praet: | transmitter.. from the pic on neweggs site of the 150, there is a reciever AND transmitter in the box |
| [18:55:00] | praet: | dang its just the 150 |
| [18:55:00] | praet: | is the snapstream blaster easy to set up? |
| [18:59:00] | fryfrog: | i don't think there is a transmitter port on either? |
| [19:00:00] | fryfrog: | just reciever |
| [19:00:00] | fryfrog: | 150/250 |
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| [19:00:00] | praet: | i dint think so either. but looking at it now.. it seems they've added it to the 150. |
| [19:00:00] | praet: | http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html |
| [19:01:00] | Krazylegz: | This looks neat: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882169001 . |
| [19:01:00] | praet: | neweggs product photos show it too.. i wonder if there are ways to set it up for myth |
| [19:02:00] | praet: | Krazylegz yea the sling box is getting great reviews |
| [19:02:00] | sphing: | whats a good extent size with lvm? |
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| [19:08:00] | FunkyStickman: | I can't tell you how stoked I am that I finally got everything compiled... was the biggest PITA for the last 2 weeks |
| [19:08:00] | praet: | 32 mb? |
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| [19:29:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | how much total memory (RAM + swap) is a good amount for a dedicated myth box... 3ghz no kde or any of that resource hogging crap |
| [19:29:00] | rjune: | 512 is good |
| [19:30:00] | rjune: | I've got a box with 256MB, and it takes afew seconds for it to figure out the database |
| [19:30:00] | rjune: | and/or start a movie |
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| [19:30:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | well i've got 512mb ram |
| [19:31:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | so just like 256 swap would be more then enough? |
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| [19:40:00] | rjune: | prolly |
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| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | unixfag: fix your nick, that's offensive |
| [20:15:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo | |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo sets mode +b unixfag!*@* | |
| [20:16:00] | unixfag was kicked from #mythtv-users by Beirdo | |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo | |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | heya laga. |
| [20:18:00] | laga: | hi beirdo. 'sup? |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | not much :) |
| [20:19:00] | laga: | good. ;) |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | just want the day to be over. :) |
| [20:19:00] | laga: | mine is almost over, just have to finish an email to the ML ;) |
| [20:20:00] | laga: | darn developers, they want logs and backtraces all the time. ;) |
| [20:20:00] | ** Cromz changes nick to DogKicker ** | |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | well, that's the way it is, laga |
| [20:21:00] | poop: | drat, composite video from the STB looks _much_ better than tuner |
| [20:22:00] | poop: | heh, this irssi theme underlined much |
| [20:22:00] | laga: | _yep_ |
| [20:22:00] | poop: | overall I like irssi |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | *metoo* |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | _of course_ |
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| [20:47:00] | laga: | Beirdo: hehe. |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | come ON, firefox, you whore... DIE! |
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| [20:49:00] | laga: | you can have mine. it crashes quite often. |
| [20:49:00] | laga: | i should upgrade to 1.5, i think |
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| [20:50:00] | pearcec_com: | What is the technical specification name for Closed Captioning? |
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| [20:51:00] | pearcec_com: | Something like MVT? |
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| [20:54:00] | praet: | teletext? |
| [20:55:00] | praet: | Closed Captioning: American term for teletext often abbreviated to CC. A ROM chip within the |
| [20:55:00] | praet: | TV receiver converts lines of VITC into a burned in picture subtitle display, often for the |
| [20:55:00] | praet: | convenience of the hard of hearing. |
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| [20:58:00] | pearcec_com: | VBI? |
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| [20:59:00] | pearcec_com: | I just found where to set the stuff in mythtv-setup |
| [20:59:00] | pearcec_com: | well it doesn't work |
| [21:00:00] | Chutt: | depends on your capture card. |
| [21:01:00] | pearcec_com: | PVR150 |
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| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | CC doesn't work at all on that card. |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | ivtv driver doesn't support it. |
| [21:07:00] | Beirdo: | apparently they support some method of capturing it (so I heard), but not in a useful way, I guess |
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| [21:09:00] | poop: | I hope zap2it doesn't get tired of me filling my channel tables. |
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| [21:18:00] | F1uffy: | So running into a problem.. I installed myth via the document. And all was working. I got a sound problem so I rebooted the system. Now it wont show the video.. Can anyone offer some insight? |
| [21:19:00] | F1uffy: | more /var/log/messages I get this |
| [21:19:00] | F1uffy: | Dec 14 13:16:55 mythtv kernel: ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for command 0x40446472! |
| [21:21:00] | poop: | Sounds like an ivtv issue. |
| [21:22:00] | kormoc: | F1uffy, try mplayer /dev/video0 and see if it plays |
| [21:22:00] | F1uffy: | no same thing.. Even trying to cat /dev/video0 it dumps that message to me |
| [21:23:00] | kormoc: | then yeah, it's a ivtv issue |
| [21:24:00] | F1uffy: | So can someone point me to a place to look for a fix? |
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| [21:33:00] | kormoc: | F1uffy, ivtv mailing list |
| [21:33:00] | pearcec_com: | Beirdo: what method exists for capturing it? |
| [21:34:00] | pearcec_com: | Or which cards do support any of the hauppauge? |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | dunno, dude |
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| [21:43:00] | poop: | amen! |
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| [21:44:00] | ** Beirdo thinks poop needs to be flushed... ** | |
| [21:44:00] | Beirdo: | why'd ya choose "poop"? |
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| [21:45:00] | sphing: | probably cause its a palendrome |
| [21:46:00] | jcsmith: | i think the term palendrome should be made a palendrome |
| [21:46:00] | jcsmith: | maybe palennelap |
| [21:47:00] | praet: | heh |
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| [21:57:00] | praet: | is a p3 450 enough for a backend/fe? |
| [22:00:00] | dmz: | matters if you are using decent encoder |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | depends on the encoder and decoder/videocard |
| [22:03:00] | rjune: | praet: backend yes. |
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| [22:04:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [22:04:00] | rjune: | I had problems with my P3 533 for a frontend though |
| [22:04:00] | fir3st0rm: | someone here using nvram-wakeup? |
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| [22:06:00] | praet: | was deciding where to put the p3 1.0 and the p3 450 ( i only have one pvr-250) |
| [22:06:00] | praet: | i guess the backend should be built up with the card and 1.0 ghz |
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| [22:09:00] | poop: | praet: Make the 1GHz your front-end |
| [22:12:00] | praet: | ok, so recording will be ok with the 450, and the faster 1.0 in the frontend |
| [22:13:00] | hadees: | I haven't been around for a while, is there any plugins that download podcasts? |
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| [22:26:00] | a1fa: | exit |
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| [23:08:00] | praet: | do those s-video to composite adaptors make the vid lose quality? |
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| [23:09:00] | mofu: | does s-video look better than composite?? |
| [23:10:00] | praet: | well i need a new pci video card with tv out.. |
| [23:10:00] | praet: | i could get one cheap with s-vid out, but then you need an adapter |
| [23:10:00] | praet: | or, get one with composite out. |
| [23:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | mofu: Yes |
| [23:11:00] | mofu: | unless you have a BigAss TV (tm) its probably not going to matter, if you have a BigAssTV you should go DVI/VGA/Component |
| [23:11:00] | praet: | thc GreyFoxx. |
| [23:11:00] | mofu: | GreyFoxx: I was being sarcastic |
| [23:11:00] | praet: | the bigass tv is not mine :) |
| [23:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [23:11:00] | praet: | but it is old, huuuge, has a projector style setup |
| [23:11:00] | praet: | i am not sure if its got s-vid in.. |
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| [23:12:00] | mofu: | an s-video to composite convertor will probably be no worse than a card w/ twin outputs, what do you think is on the card |
| [23:13:00] | praet: | ok |
| [23:13:00] | mofu: | at that level the TV bridge chip is not involved |
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| [23:13:00] | praet: | I normally work with fx5200s through svideo |
| [23:14:00] | praet: | but this mobo doesnt have agp :( |
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| [23:15:00] | mofu: | i'd be careful how much you load the pci bus if you are going to put a video card on it |
| [23:15:00] | mofu: | is the MB super-new or super-old, no agp?? |
| [23:15:00] | praet: | let me check |
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| [23:16:00] | praet: | its a P6STMT |
| [23:16:00] | praet: | http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/amptron/P6STMT.htm |
| [23:17:00] | praet: | i just noticed the agp 4x on it from that website doh |
| [23:17:00] | mofu: | the integrated graphic is 4x AGP, SIS |
| [23:18:00] | praet: | im using this board to put together a new mythbox, fe/be together |
| [23:18:00] | praet: | if it wont work then i'll have to dig deeper |
| [23:18:00] | mofu: | just use these drivers: http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| [23:19:00] | mofu: | you don't need an extra video card |
| [23:19:00] | praet: | to output to tv? |
| [23:19:00] | mofu: | oh, yeah, that's what we started talking about |
| [23:20:00] | mofu: | vga to tv convertor?? |
| [23:20:00] | praet: | damn this is from 2003 |
| [23:20:00] | praet: | hey thats an idea.. will it work? |
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| [23:21:00] | praet: | im going to look for other mobos lying around |
| [23:23:00] | mofu: | http://cgi.ebay.com/VGA-to-TV-CONVERTER-S-VID . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [23:23:00] | mofu: | this ebay piece looks super simple, probably force you to run 640x480 only |
| [23:25:00] | praet: | heh i just turned up a voodoo 3 |
| [23:25:00] | praet: | thats a nice converter |
| [23:25:00] | mofu: | pci video card? |
| [23:26:00] | praet: | nope agp |
| [23:26:00] | praet: | when 3dfx was in charge |
| [23:26:00] | mofu: | not sure how good the linux support would be |
| [23:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | not perfect but it works |
| [23:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | it's also an agp 2x card only |
| [23:28:00] | mofu: | xv ? |
| [23:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [23:29:00] | mofu: | good 'nuff for SD |
| [23:29:00] | praet: | i just found s-vid to composite converter |
| [23:30:00] | praet: | ill try it out tonight and post about it later |
| [23:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | my svideo <-> composite adapter cost like $10 at Radio shack |
| [23:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | or get a svideo -> rca cable |
| [23:30:00] | praet: | oh right |
| [23:30:00] | praet: | well this came with a mobo (abit) |
| [23:31:00] | praet: | i bet its only monochromatic or something |
| [23:31:00] | mofu: | no s-video is s-video |
| [23:31:00] | praet: | can i put a pci video card and a pvr-250 on that board |
| [23:32:00] | praet: | ? |
| [23:32:00] | mofu: | I wouldn't put more than that, you might have to play with slot locations to make everything happy |
| [23:32:00] | praet: | or maybe get the 350 or whatever the one is with tv out built in |
| [23:32:00] | praet: | oh ok |
| [23:32:00] | praet: | will have to try it |
| [23:33:00] | mofu: | if you go with the 350 you don't need another video card |
| [23:33:00] | ** rjune is back ** | |
| [23:33:00] | praet: | is a gforce 5200 the general card everyone uses |
| [23:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | or the gf4 mx 440 |
| [23:33:00] | mofu: | yep, but good luck finding a pci version at this point |
| [23:34:00] | praet: | yeah im hunting the old boxes and also looking at newegg |
| [23:35:00] | feld: | i use the mx 4000 |
| [23:35:00] | praet: | for the price of the 350 i could get the 250 + 5200 |
| [23:35:00] | feld: | works grrrrreat! </tony> |
| [23:35:00] | praet: | ahahah |
| [23:35:00] | praet: | is that a new card? |
| [23:35:00] | feld: | not really |
| [23:35:00] | feld: | just a bit newer than the 4xx series |
| [23:36:00] | praet: | mx4000 vs fx5200 |
| [23:36:00] | feld: | not by much though |
| [23:36:00] | feld: | fx5200 has more beef than the mx4000 |
| [23:36:00] | feld: | but the tv out looks beautiful on it |
| [23:36:00] | feld: | thats all i care. i cannot tell the difference between that and regular tv. |
| [23:36:00] | praet: | true |
| [23:37:00] | feld: | passive heatsink on it |
| [23:37:00] | praet: | i just need a stable tv out with drivers :) |
| [23:37:00] | feld: | no fan |
| [23:37:00] | praet: | of course :) |
| [23:37:00] | feld: | the nvidia drivers have been performing well on it |
| [23:37:00] | feld: | i currently have a problem i'm investigating... putting the box under stress can cause it to hardlock. |
| [23:38:00] | feld: | which keeps me from distributed compiling and folding on it.... |
| [23:38:00] | feld: | i think its the kernel maybe. i dont know. i'm trying to find information confirming ivtv & lirc working on 2.6.14 + |
| [23:38:00] | praet: | you could limit the cpu use |
| [23:39:00] | feld: | i do |
| [23:39:00] | praet: | and still freezes |
| [23:39:00] | feld: | using the fahlimit program i limit folding to 50% cpu time |
| [23:39:00] | feld: | and distcc will eat up the rest if i need it |
| [23:39:00] | feld: | but even without distcc it will hardlock. |
| [23:39:00] | praet: | nasty |
| [23:40:00] | praet: | i keep away from new kernels |
| [23:40:00] | mofu: | voltage/heat ?? |
| [23:40:00] | feld: | its gentoo x86 with only necessary things unstable. X is stable. |
| [23:40:00] | feld: | heat is fine |
| [23:41:00] | feld: | voltage *could* be the issue as the power supply is not something i would regularly trust, but i am on a budget. dont have the dough to shill out for an Antec. |
| [23:41:00] | mofu: | what cpu? |
| [23:41:00] | praet: | ive switched out power supplies just for testing.. might be worth it |
| [23:41:00] | feld: | its 400w power supply... xp 3000+ 333fsb pc 2700 ram mx4000 pvr-250 300gb maxtor sb live 5.1 and a dvd drive |
| [23:42:00] | mofu: | that's up there on power required but a decent 400w supply should be ok |
| [23:42:00] | feld: | i dont have another power supply available to me at the moment. |
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| [23:43:00] | feld: | yeah it should be half way decent... i wouldnt think it should suck up too much though..... cpu doesnt eat as much as a power hungry GPU AFAIK |
| [23:43:00] | praet: | btw thansk for the info/help mofu, GreyFoxx, feld |
| [23:44:00] | praet: | anything writeen to the logs after rebooting the box? |
| [23:45:00] | feld: | nope |
| [23:46:00] | feld: | i was having problems with TV signal corruption and hardlocks and found out its because the mobo had no heatsink on the southbridge chip. it was HOT HOT HOT!!! |
| [23:46:00] | feld: | heatsink + arctic silver adhesive cured that. |
| [23:49:00] | praet: | hehe |
| [23:49:00] | praet: | fry an egg on it hot |
| [23:51:00] | Beirdo: | hot hot hot |
| [23:51:00] | Beirdo: | use a frying pan as a heat sink |
| [23:52:00] | rjune: | the people singin' the people dancin' feelin' hot! Hot! HOT! |
| [23:53:00] | praet: | a mate of mine installed a p4 2.53 and put the fan on incorrectly.. it was beeping like a fire alarm.. I took the fan off, the silver was barely touched |
| [23:54:00] | praet: | it was less than a milimeter off.. and it was almost the end of that processor |
| [23:58:00] | feld: | no way |
| [23:58:00] | feld: | i dont believe that... pentiums are too safe-guarded. they auto shutdown in situations like that |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [23:59:00] | feld: | if it was an AMD i'd believe it because they have no safety systems |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | praet, other then the fact that you could have removed the entire heatsink without killing the proc? |
| [23:59:00] | Beirdo: | and AMD does have safety in the newer ones AFAIK |
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| [23:59:00] | feld: | maybe in x2's and fx57's |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | feld, the cool thing is, they don't auto shutdown, they just underclock to an acceptable heat level, so you can still save and shutdown safely |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | feld, nah, newer xp's and mp's also have good thermal protection, if the mobo supports it |
| [23:59:00] | feld: | kormoc: ah, yeah, you're correct. i exagerrated the situation. |
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