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Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] Bonkers: well I get 52MB/s buffered reads on my 2 good drives, and 43MB/s on my slightly older drive
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[00:02:00] jonK: then clearly, something is amiss
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[00:03:00] jonK: i got 3 mb/sec on another partition of the old drive that is not part of an lvm group
[00:04:00] jonK: diagnosis thoughts?
[00:04:00] poop: no kernel messages at all?
[00:04:00] Bonkers: dead drive? wrong ATA controller drivers?
[00:05:00] jonK: one sec...
[00:06:00] jonK: opended second shell window
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[00:07:00] jonK: wading through pile of ivtv-osd errors
[00:12:00] jonK: hmmm... some hal.hotplug timeouts "waiting for /block/dm-1
[00:12:00] jonK: and "device-mapper: error adding target to table"
[00:12:00] jonK: repeated 29 times
[00:15:00] jonK: should I just chuck the whole thing into the river?
[00:15:00] Bonkers: scotchguard it first
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[00:21:00] jonK: if you think it'll help
[00:21:00] jonK: but i bought the undercoating this may be uncesessarey
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[00:30:00] dhofstra: jonk most HD manufacturers provide a floppy that when booted will tell you if the drive is going bad, and then provide a warranty number if it is still under warranty for a return.
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[00:31:00] jonK: I would more likely believe it's a configuration problem
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[00:36:00] jonK: I think it's just time to start building a new system
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[00:38:00] poop: FWIW, this seems off-topic.
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[00:38:00] jonK: why only "seems"
[00:38:00] jonK: exceept that I think the VIA board i have now has problems with ivtv and dma
[00:39:00] jonK: that's more on topic
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[00:46:00] Mersault: I'm having difficulties with finding a functional xorg.conf for my gefore2 mx card. The one from fedora mythology doesn't work, and neither do any of the permutations I've tried...
[00:46:00] Mersault: anyone have one of their own that I could look at?
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[01:03:00] Ediehow: hi
[01:04:00] Ediehow: how do i edit a recorded show again in mythfrontend?
[01:04:00] poop: Mersault: Have you considered a linux channel?
[01:04:00] Ediehow: i mean, once i start playing it, i forgot the keys
[01:04:00] Ediehow: i wanted to remove some portions
[01:04:00] ** poop spots keys.txt **
[01:04:00] Ediehow: that's right
[01:05:00] Mersault: poop, I have a functional one for regular monitor x, it's the tv out that's not working
[01:06:00] fatmatt: Mersault: I've got one for a really old gforce card, not quite perfect
[01:07:00] Mersault: well, this isn't exactly a new card either.
[01:07:00] simcop2387: sphinx4 kicks serious booty
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[01:08:00] Ediehow: shoot
[01:08:00] Ediehow: i am looking in keys.txt
[01:08:00] Ediehow: i don't remember what it was called
[01:09:00] Ediehow: oh e
[01:09:00] Mersault: fatmatt, care to dcc it to me, or alternately, email?
[01:10:00] simcop2387: it only has a problem with fourty and fourteen (i have to spell fourty as fort tee and stress the T
[01:10:00] fatmatt: Mersault: gimme a sec, gotta get access to that box
[01:11:00] Mersault: cool
[01:12:00] Ediehow: ok, after i have selected the portions to delete in edit mode
[01:12:00] Ediehow: how do i "apply"?
[01:12:00] Ediehow: hit D?
[01:12:00] Ediehow: it says they are to be deleted
[01:14:00] Ediehow: how do i "apply" the cut points?
[01:14:00] fatmatt: Mersault: tryoing to dvv is it working?
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[01:16:00] Ediehow: can someone tell me, after selecting portions of the recording to delete in edit mode, how you apply this and physically remove them from the file?
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[01:17:00] Ediehow: anyone....
[01:18:00] Mersault: fatmatt, sorry, I was distracted. can you try again?
[01:19:00] fatmatt: now?
[01:20:00] Mersault: excellent, thanks
[01:20:00] fatmatt: I've got a couple of lines in the wm config as well to tweek the screen size
[01:21:00] Ediehow: duuuuuuuuude anyone? how do i have it physically remove the sections i wanted cut?
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[01:25:00] xris: Ediehow: mpeg files or nuv files?
[01:26:00] Ediehow: xris: nuv file, from a recording within mythtvfrontend
[01:26:00] Ediehow: i have the cut points where i want
[01:26:00] Ediehow: i just want them physically removed so i can send the file to someone
[01:26:00] xris: not the file suffix...
[01:27:00] pridkett: is there a way to be certain that mythtv is usinv XV for video output? Xorg uses a lot of CPU for hdtv. Or is that normal?
[01:27:00] xris: so it's a real nupplevideo file from a software encoder? just set up "transcode" profile, and press X while watching the recording.. it'll do a mostly-lossless cut.
[01:27:00] Ediehow: well, i told it to transcode
[01:27:00] Ediehow: when i hit X
[01:27:00] xris: pridkett: HDTV takes a LOT of power.. 2ghz machine to play back.
[01:27:00] Ediehow: oh no, i recorded it from mythtv
[01:27:00] xris: Ediehow: right.. but what kind of tuner card? hardware (mpeg) or software?
[01:27:00] pridkett: +xris: I've got an athlon 64 running at 2.4GHz
[01:28:00] Ediehow: hardware mpeg, 150pvrmce
[01:28:00] Ediehow: mpeg2, i believe
[01:28:00] xris: Ediehow: then your only option is nuvexport with mpeg2cut
[01:28:00] pridkett: it plays it back just fine, but I'm wondering if it's normal for Xorg to show high usage
[01:28:00] Ediehow: ok, i have nuvexport installed
[01:28:00] xris: which does not work with more recent systems (lve won't compile in the new gcc)
[01:28:00] Ediehow: ok, so i am running nuvexport now
[01:29:00] xris: Ediehow: with mpeg2cut?
[01:29:00] Ediehow: and i tell it to do mpeg2->mpeg2 cut only?
[01:29:00] xris: yes
[01:29:00] Ediehow: it says disabled
[01:29:00] xris: Ediehow: run it
[01:29:00] Ediehow: You need lvemux to use this.
[01:29:00] Ediehow: Press ENTER to continue.
[01:29:00] xris: pridkett: I don't know which process it takes to handle hdtv playback.. could be X.
[01:29:00] xris: Ediehow: you need to install LVE
[01:29:00] Ediehow: ok
[01:29:00] xris: pridkett: I don't think you could play it back without XV
[01:30:00] simcop2387: this is working splendidly! sphinx4 kicks all the others buts (but it uses a hell of alot of ram)
[01:30:00] Ediehow: hmm, what is the rpm for lve called?
[01:30:00] xris: Ediehow: lve
[01:31:00] xris: what distro are you running?
[01:31:00] Ediehow: hmm, yum couldn't find it
[01:31:00] Ediehow: fc4
[01:31:00] xris: last LVE that works is fc1
[01:31:00] xris: er, distro
[01:31:00] simcop2387: LVE?
[01:31:00] pridkett: xris: okay. It just seems odd that X is showing such high usage. Watching DVDs shows basically 0 Xorg usage. It should be that it will use more for hdtv, but i'm a little worried about how much it uses.
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[01:31:00] Ediehow: so what do i do?
[01:31:00] Ediehow: dag rpms
[01:31:00] pridkett: and xvmc has problems with ubuntu. at least using libxvmcw causes crashes
[01:31:00] xris: pridkett: hdtv is almost 6x the display size of dvd
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[01:32:00] xris: Ediehow: then you're stuck
[01:32:00] Ediehow: lve-0.040322–1.1.el3.rf.i386.rpm
[01:32:00] Ediehow: ?
[01:32:00] xris: won't work.. causes corrupt output
[01:32:00] Ediehow: what do i do?
[01:32:00] Ediehow: can i use fc1 rpm?
[01:32:00] xris: just do what I do and export to xvid .avi files with nuvexport and play them in mythvideo.
[01:32:00] xris: no, nothing you can do in fc4
[01:32:00] Ediehow: that's insane
[01:32:00] Ediehow: can i then convert it from .avi to .mpeg?
[01:33:00] xris: why would you want to? you'd lose even more quality.
[01:33:00] Ediehow: smaller file sizes, right?
[01:33:00] xris: Ediehow: or wait for the next version of mythtv, which should have lossless mpeg2.
[01:33:00] xris: Ediehow: .avi is about 350M per hour at the same quality as a 2G/hour mpeg2 recording.
[01:33:00] Ediehow: woops
[01:34:00] Ediehow: oh, when is that next version due?
[01:34:00] pridkett: xris: I'm aware of the size. But it seems odd that Xorg would go from 1% usage to 60% usage
[01:34:00] xris: well, --transcode xvid with the default options
[01:34:00] xris: Ediehow: no clue. not particularly soon, though
[01:34:00] Ediehow: ok, so what nuvexport option do i use?
[01:34:00] Ediehow: i have 1–11
[01:34:00] xris: Ediehow: nuvexport --transcode --mode xvid
[01:34:00] Ediehow: oh ok
[01:34:00] Ediehow: oh i see export to xvid
[01:34:00] Ediehow: can i just use that?
[01:34:00] xris: pridkett: no clue there. if I was at home, I could try to play back an hd recording and see what eats up my cpu.... bug me in a couple hours.
[01:35:00] xris: use --transcode. ffmpeg's xvid exporter sucks
[01:35:00] Ediehow: ok
[01:35:00] Ediehow: and i just tell it to enable myth cutlist, right?
[01:36:00] xris: yeah
[01:36:00] pridkett: okay, i'll see if I'm still up
[01:36:00] Ediehow: awwn shoot
[01:36:00] pridkett: xris, thanks for the offer
[01:36:00] Ediehow: i think this is the problem i had from before:O
[01:36:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 14715 frames (0.00%), 0 fps
[01:36:00] Ediehow: i think it stays on that
[01:38:00] xris: Ediehow: let it sit for a couple hours...
[01:38:00] xris: how fast/slow is your system?
[01:38:00] Ediehow: 2ghz
[01:38:00] Ediehow: 512mb
[01:38:00] Ediehow: ddr
[01:39:00] xris: you can also add the --force_mythtranscode option, which helps when transcode has issues reading the files.
[01:39:00] Ediehow: well, it's not progressing at all
[01:39:00] xris: yeah, and it won't while transcode seeks frames
[01:39:00] Ediehow: so should i cancel it and restart it with that option?
[01:39:00] xris: you could try
[01:39:00] xris: or could let it sit. sometimes the frame counter just doesn't work.
[01:39:00] xris: if you're doing a single pass, look and see if there is an output file.
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[01:40:00] Ediehow: i remember i had to get a diff libmpeg or something
[01:40:00] Ediehow: i don't remember
[01:40:00] Ediehow: that got past this
[01:40:00] Ediehow: Encode started: Mon Dec 12 19:40:28 2005
[01:40:00] Ediehow: First pass...
[01:40:00] Ediehow: Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.
[01:40:00] Ediehow: Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.
[01:40:00] Ediehow: Starting transcode.
[01:40:00] Ediehow: processed: 0 of 14715 frames (0.00%), 0 fps
[01:41:00] Ediehow: :(
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[01:42:00] Ediehow: is that what it is?
[01:43:00] xris: that's two-pass mode.
[01:43:00] xris: you won't see anything until the second pass
[01:43:00] Ediehow: libmpeg2_0–0.4.0b-1.rhfc4.at
[01:43:00] Ediehow: ok, cuz the whole thing is only like 8 minutes
[01:43:00] Ediehow: oh there it goes
[01:44:00] Ediehow: is that a bad version of libmpeg?
[01:45:00] xris: no idea
[01:45:00] Ediehow: k
[01:45:00] Ediehow: did you write nuv2disc?
[01:46:00] Ediehow: or just nuvexport?
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[01:48:00] xris: just nuvexport
[01:48:00] Ediehow: k
[01:48:00] xris: anyway, headed home... later.
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[01:53:00] Z-Morek: I hate to be the guy that logs on and immediately asks a question... but this is REALLY bothering the linux noob inside me
[01:53:00] Ediehow: ?
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[01:53:00] Z-Morek: you know... the guy that logs on and fires off a question immediately expecting an answer
[01:53:00] Z-Morek: anyways
[01:53:00] pridkett: okay
[01:53:00] pridkett: so ask your question
[01:54:00] Z-Morek: for one reason or another lircd doesn't work unless I create a link at /dev/lirc to /dev/lirc0
[01:54:00] pridkett: that's a lirc issue  :-)
[01:54:00] Z-Morek: and I am completely ignorant as to how to get that link created on every boot...
[01:54:00] pridkett: you've got to choices: one, change your lirc command line so it uses the proper device
[01:55:00] pridkett: two: add it to your boot scripts, caries by distro
[01:55:00] Z-Morek: is there a guide somewhere on the former?
[01:56:00] Z-Morek: I actually tried adding it to a kde autostart script... but to no avail
[01:56:00] pridkett: Z-Morek: well, that depends on how you're starting up lircd
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[01:57:00] Z-Morek: I'm fairly sure it starts on boot
[01:57:00] pridkett: normally you just add "-d /dev/lirc0" to your startupt
[01:57:00] jonK: why not just start up lircd using the device that's there
[01:57:00] jonK: pridkett: ding ding
[01:57:00] mocker_: Z-Morek: Is this Fedora?
[01:57:00] Z-Morek: fc3
[01:57:00] jonK: and this is well covered in the lirc faq
[01:57:00] Z-Morek: I used the wilsonet guide
[01:57:00] mocker_: You might need the udev rule.
[01:58:00] Z-Morek: yeah I'm THAT GUY
[01:58:00] Z-Morek: I knew it
[01:58:00] ** mocker_ | http://pastebin.ca/33465 **
[01:58:00] mocker_: I have something like that.
[01:59:00] mocker_: Might help you.
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[01:59:00] Cromz: lol nice.. you call your mythbox boobtube lol I like that.
[01:59:00] Z-Morek: that makes sense
[01:59:00] Z-Morek: thanks
[02:00:00] mocker_: :)
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[02:00:00] SkramX: Hi All
[02:00:00] Z-Morek: I swear when anything breaks on my mythtv rig I learn something new about linux
[02:00:00] mocker_: Z-Morek: And if you are running Fedora you should definately check out Jarod's guide.
[02:00:00] Z-Morek: I did
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[02:00:00] Z-Morek: but it didn't cover things to do when something breaks
[02:01:00] Z-Morek: rather when references change
[02:01:00] SkramX: I have gentoo running with grub.. can i do a mythtv hdd install... so i select mythtv from grub?
[02:01:00] o_cee: SkramX, mythtv is not an OS.
[02:01:00] SkramX: hmm okay
[02:01:00] mocker_: SkramX: You could make it *say* mythtv though.
[02:01:00] mocker_: ;)
[02:01:00] SkramX: lol
[02:02:00] SkramX: so mythtv is purely a app?
[02:02:00] mocker_: Indeed.
[02:02:00] SkramX: hmm oka
[02:02:00] Cromz: SkramX, yes.. a awesome one tho ;)
[02:02:00] mocker_: I think you Gentoo people emerge it, or something like taht.
[02:02:00] SkramX: acer mark # emerge -av mythtv
[02:03:00] SkramX: yes, mocker_ .. we use portage :)
[02:03:00] SkramX: i see mythtv needs mysql..
[02:03:00] SkramX: does it have to?
[02:03:00] pridkett: SkramX: yes
[02:03:00] rjune: SkramX: only if you want it to work
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[02:04:00] Cromz: I get to go over kill on a new myth box :> 21.1 widescreen lcd.. and a new rackmount dual amd 2600 with a gig of mem. lol woots. my wife loves myth. wants me to move it off my system so she can record other shows bawhaha my evil plan worked.
[02:05:00] SkramX: i wish i had a tv tuner
[02:05:00] SkramX: but my only home-linux machine is thisgentoo laptop
[02:05:00] dev-: wont that be a little hard to watch tv on if you dont have a tuner? hehe
[02:05:00] SkramX: yes
[02:06:00] SkramX: i heard its a good regular mediaplayer aswell.
[02:06:00] mocker_: SkramX: You might want something like geexbox or whatever it's called.
[02:06:00] SkramX: oh shit
[02:06:00] mocker_: MythTV is more geared to be a PVR.
[02:06:00] dev-: dunno, id use xine to just play media files..
[02:06:00] SkramX: that was right
[02:06:00] dev-: yeah.
[02:07:00] SkramX: mocker_: does geexbox record stuff?
[02:07:00] dev-: what are you going to record without a tuner?
[02:07:00] pridkett: yeah, umm...mythtv is a little pointless without a tv tuner.
[02:07:00] mocker_: SkramX: No, but you don't have a tuner.
[02:07:00] SkramX: i am asking.. if i get one
[02:07:00] pridkett: I guess if you have firewire you can record from a comcast box
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[02:07:00] rjune: dev-: you can't watch tv, but you can watch pre-recorded stuff
[02:07:00] rjune: or rip dvds
[02:08:00] SkramX: geexbox is what i have been looking for
[02:08:00] SkramX: heh
[02:08:00] SkramX: sorry yal
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[02:08:00] dev-: rjune" true, but if you dont have previous recordings useing myth db info/filenames you might as well use xine instead..
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[02:08:00] mocker_: Heh.
[02:09:00] ** mocker_ wins. **
[02:09:00] dev-: woohoo =]
[02:09:00] mocker_: Keeping users from going to Myth one person at a time.
[02:09:00] dev-: cookie fer u
[02:09:00] mocker_: er.
[02:09:00] dev-: ;p
[02:10:00] Z-Morek: well ive managed to screw up again
[02:11:00] Z-Morek: trying to run thru the 2 commands in the pastebin I get "no such file or directory"
[02:12:00] Z-Morek: I wonder if it has anything to do with my lirc.rules file being empty
[02:12:00] simcop2387: i have a working mockup of voice control for mythtv, it really works, you'll need java, perl, and the perl module X11::GUITest
[02:12:00] Z-Morek: or if my computer just resents me
[02:13:00] pridkett: simcop2387: now the next step is to hook it into asterisk so you can call your mythtv box
[02:14:00] simcop2387: pridkett: right now it can only do things along the lines of "tv pause" or "tv play" or "tv channel eight eight"
[02:14:00] simcop2387: plugging it into asterix would be kickass though
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[02:15:00] mocker_: Wejust moved our call center to asterisk.
[02:15:00] mocker_: I have to go in and to testing this weekend. :(
[02:16:00] simcop2387: mocker_: how does it work?
[02:16:00] mocker_: It works well.
[02:16:00] mocker_: Flash Operator Panel is pretty slick too.
[02:18:00] simcop2387: cool
[02:18:00] pridkett: jcsmith: hello fellow pittsburgher
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[02:18:00] simcop2387: what'd really be neat is a bluetooth mic in the remote and the mythbox using it for speech recognition
[02:19:00] rjune: that would be cool
[02:19:00] Z-Morek: okay I'm set, thanks mocker_
[02:20:00] mocker_: Z-Morek: np, glad it worked.
[02:20:00] Z-Morek: I had to edit it in vi since the rules were empty
[02:22:00] jcsmith: pridkett: I'm actually not a pittsburger, my isp (adelphia) just services from me, I acutally reside in Morgantown, WV
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[02:25:00] pridkett: jcsmith: ahh, okay, my bad. you'd think that could start some fights during college football season. Saying your from Pitt in Morgantown and all.
[02:26:00] jcsmith: pridkett: i didn't figure i'd get too mad about it seeing as how we won this season
[02:26:00] pridkett: I'm not a native pittsburgher, so it doesn't really bother me.
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[02:27:00] jcsmith: I'm a WV native and migrated to Morgantown for college
[02:30:00] boonie: evening all
[02:30:00] boonie: have a problem I"d like some input on
[02:31:00] boonie: I have myth installed and all seems to be working fine except for the display when watching live tv
[02:31:00] boonie: the hue is WAY off
[02:31:00] boonie: I can adjust it so it's more normal but it's still not the best
[02:32:00] boonie: the thing is that I also have kdetv on my system and the color there is perfect
[02:33:00] boonie: what can i do to get myth to display colors more like the way kdetv displays them?
[02:33:00] fatmatt: is anyone here capturing realplayer audio streams?
[02:34:00] fatmatt: trying to record a local radio station that only stream real
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[02:41:00] gaasfet: mplayer -dumpstream
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[02:49:00] boonie: forgot to mention I am using an ATI TV Wonder Pro and running Suse 9.3
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[02:53:00] poop: boonie: You could try playing with the cable standard (e.g. Comcast needs hrc when tuning directly on my bttv)
[02:54:00] poop: boonie: Also consult keys.txt to find out how to tweak things like contrast, hue, etc.
[02:55:00] boonie: poop, I'll try the cable thing
[02:55:00] boonie: I have tried the picture adjust settings and it makes it better but it's no where near the picture that kdetv gives me
[02:55:00] boonie: I don't know what kdetv is reading that myth isn't
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[03:07:00] topher: anybody in here use the original ati all in wonder radeon?
[03:07:00] topher: circa 2001, 2002
[03:09:00] hpAuto: last I tried it in linux it sucked
[03:10:00] boonie: anyone know how to get the display adjustment tab up when you hit the "M" key when watching live tv?
[03:11:00] boonie: the tab has hue, contrast, color in it
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[03:15:00] topher: what's the most supported / best video card if i wanted to build a mythtv setup in whoever's opinion?
[03:15:00] topher: er, video card like tv in/out card
[03:16:00] poop: A very common setup these days is an FX5200 and PVR-150.
[03:16:00] topher: cool, thanks, thatll get me started
[03:17:00] boonie: you can get a pvr-500 for about 125 though
[03:17:00] topher: what's the big advantage to the pvr-500?
[03:17:00] boonie: dual tuner
[03:17:00] topher: ah. so you recommend using two separate cards for in and out and not something like the all in wonder?
[03:18:00] hpAuto: the pvr-250 gets really hot
[03:18:00] hpAuto: you can cook an egg on it
[03:18:00] topher: heh. does the fx5200 have (good) open source drivers or does one have to put up with nvidia's offerings?
[03:18:00] beata---: scrambled?
[03:19:00] boonie: topher, yeah, I haven't heard a lot of good things about the all in wonders
[03:19:00] topher: boonie: im just checking 'cause i have one lying around, heh
[03:19:00] topher: boonie: it doesnt sound too good
[03:19:00] boonie: I'm running an ATI TV Wonder pro and am having problems :(
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[03:20:00] poop: topher: You'll want to use nvidia's.
[03:20:00] xris: pridkett: you had the hdtv cpu usage question, right?
[03:20:00] boonie: well, the 250 and 500 are different cards so the 500 might not have the heat disapation problems that the 250 has
[03:20:00] topher: poop: do they work well? ive never had an nvidia card before. is tv out easy to get working on linux?
[03:20:00] boonie: but I am not sure because I am running an ati
[03:21:00] poop: topher: They're pretty sold. TV-out isn't horrible.
[03:21:00] poop: solid
[03:22:00] topher: hrm, and are the ivtv drivers in xorg or separate? er, ivtv for the pvr-150
[03:23:00] Krazylegz: Seperate. The ivtv drivers for a PVR-150 would have nothing to do with X.
[03:23:00] topher: oh. arent they x11 drivers though? i know the gatos tv drivers are in xorg
[03:24:00] topher: nm
[03:27:00] topher: crap, i thought an nvidia card would cost more than $60, hehe
[03:28:00] topher: does it matter which fx5200 or are the drivers the same regardless of manufacturer?
[03:28:00] poop: topher: They should all Just Work.
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[03:28:00] poop: I have a fanless MSI iirc.
[03:30:00] _kite_: okay, so the other day my gdm wouldn't load b/c my system drive was full, the result of ivtv filling my /var/log/messages file with crap messages, since then myth has been all pixilated when skipping forward and backward and no longer flags commercials, any idea how to fix this
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[03:33:00] pridkett: xris: yup, can you see how the usage is split between xorg and mythfrontend on an HDTV show?
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[03:35:00] xris: I popped one open with xine and got about 8% xine usage and 80% X
[03:35:00] xris: and it was stuttering like crazy on this slow bo
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[03:35:00] xris: box
[03:35:00] pridkett: watching monday night football right now it's about 55/35 split xorg/mythfe
[03:36:00] pridkett: and that was xine using XV output?
[03:37:00] xris: yes
[03:37:00] xris: my video card can't handle it, though.. 1/3 of the screen turns pink when I watch HD on this box
[03:38:00] topher: does agp vs. pci vs. pci ex matter for the tv out card in a mythtv box?
[03:39:00] xris: topher: not really
[03:39:00] xris: gpu and driver support is far more important
[03:39:00] topher: yea, thats what i figured
[03:39:00] topher: thanks xris
[03:40:00] pridkett: xris: you got ATI?
[03:41:00] xris: pridkett: yeah, in my desktop
[03:41:00] pridkett: yup, that's a problem with the ATI tring to do XV and really big images
[03:41:00] topher: anybody know anything about these nMediaPC barebone boxes they have on newegg? those cases any good?
[03:43:00] xris: pridkett: yeah... I don't really watch/record any HD, so it's not a big issue for me (and my mythbox is only 800x600, so it doesn't matter, anyway)
[03:43:00] xris: topher: depends on which ones specifally
[03:43:00] topher: xris: er, well, are any of them good? im shopping for pvr hardware atm, heh
[03:43:00] xris: well, what mobo form factor?
[03:44:00] topher: i dunno, they look mini atx
[03:44:00] pridkett: xris: thanks for letting me know though
[03:44:00] marcus2: hm
[03:44:00] marcus2: i'm playing back SD content at 1920x1080 on an ATI card
[03:44:00] topher: newegg doesnt say :(
[03:44:00] marcus2: it looks ok, but the scaling certainly could be better
[03:45:00] xris: marcus2: it's the size of the original video... 1080i converted to 1280x1024 on my 7500 causes 1/3 of the screen to go pink when in fullscreen mode
[03:45:00] pridkett: i had xvmc working for hdtv, but now it's dying with the new drivers. Unfortunately, I upgraded mythtv to SVN and intalled the 8174 nvidia drivers at the same time.
[03:45:00] marcus2: what card?
[03:45:00] xris: but 1280x1024 of video on the screen (ie. letting the rest run off the edge of the screen) works fine
[03:45:00] xris: marcus2: 7500
[03:45:00] marcus2: ah
[03:45:00] pridkett: marcus2: it's a problem with many many ati cards
[03:45:00] marcus2: sux
[03:46:00] xris: just another reason why we tell people here to get nvidia cards
[03:46:00] pridkett: the ati card in my laptop has the same problem
[03:46:00] marcus2: does anyone know if nvidia cards have better looking scalers than ATIs?
[03:46:00] xris: "better linux driver experience" is enough for me to side with nvidia
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[03:46:00] marcus2: see, i've never really had problems with my ATI cards under linux
[03:46:00] xris: topher: honestly, I don't know much about cases.. I like the silverstone lc-11, but I've never actually seen one in person
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[03:46:00] xris: marcus2: try dual head sometime
[03:46:00] poop: topher: I read a decent review of the nmediapc somewhere.
[03:47:00] marcus2: except for one system that has an nvidia motherboard chipset.. i can't get dri working with my 9800 on there
[03:47:00] topher: marcus2: my 3d accel and tv in work great w/ my ati, my tv out was a pain but that was years ago
[03:47:00] topher: hrm
[03:47:00] marcus2: and i run dualhead
[03:47:00] topher: i dunno, id be neat to set up a mythtv box in a set top box case :)
[03:47:00] marcus2: well, not at the moment on tihs system, but i have on more than one system
[03:47:00] topher: poop: hrm
[03:47:00] pridkett: I've had good luck with the Antec Overture II case
[03:47:00] ** poop eyes his Silverstone **
[03:47:00] pridkett: fits nicely in my entertainment center
[03:47:00] pridkett: for those of us with more moderate budgets
[03:48:00] marcus2: i have a silverstone case for my mythtv frontend
[03:48:00] topher: pridkett: looks nice
[03:48:00] marcus2: it looks like a piece of stereo equipment, more or less
[03:48:00] pridkett: topher: just beware, the blue light for the power is like a laser beam
[03:48:00] pridkett: you're better off not hooking it up
[03:48:00] topher: pridkett: haha
[03:48:00] marcus2: not really the best case for the money, but it looks nice
[03:48:00] xris: overture is full atx...
[03:48:00] xris: I like my asus pundit (sis)
[03:48:00] topher: do any of these set top boxes have ir receivers that work in linux?
[03:48:00] marcus2: pridkett; the blue power LED on my new 37" monitor is the same way :(
[03:49:00] marcus2: its SO bright.
[03:49:00] pridkett: xris: yup. A little cramped for drive space
[03:49:00] xris: pridkett: 120G is all I need
[03:49:00] xris: the rest gets archived to the server in my garage
[03:49:00] pridkett: i should get better at managing my disk space or put a server somewhere in the basement
[03:49:00] poop: topher: Silverstone and Ahanix use the iMON, which is supposed to (tell you later tonight I hope)
[03:49:00] marcus2: i have an antec p180 for my mythtv backend, it rocks
[03:50:00] marcus2: nicest case i've ever owned
[03:50:00] overseer: are there any useful tvtuner/mpeg-encoder cards at frys these days?
[03:50:00] poop: I wanted a regular-looking stereo profile with enough power to be self-sufficient.
[03:50:00] Chutt: the p180's nice, except for the cheapass latches on the side panels
[03:50:00] marcus2: chutt; yeah, true. but otherwise way nicer than any retailer here has
[03:51:00] marcus2: poop; i got a 150 at frys
[03:51:00] xris: overseer: pvr-150, probably
[03:51:00] marcus2: like 6mo ago
[03:51:00] Chutt: and the utterly useless vga duct =)
[03:51:00] marcus2: yeah my vga duct is sitting in the box
[03:51:00] overseer: pvr-150 was there...
[03:51:00] Chutt: i have that and the middle drive cage out
[03:51:00] marcus2: but i do have 1TB of usable space in the system, which is nice
[03:51:00] marcus2: and its so quiet
[03:52:00] marcus2: i took out the lower fan too
[03:52:00] marcus2: the one in the ps area
[03:52:00] overseer: pvr-160 was there too — as well as the wintv-pro — and a bunch of noname $35 bt848 looking pci devices
[03:52:00] marcus2: pvr-160 is useless for mythtv
[03:52:00] marcus2: i got one, fought with it for a while, and took it bakc
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[03:57:00] phoner: why do I not have a mythbackend logfile
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[04:02:00] _kite_: the other day my gdm wouldn't load b/c my /var/log/messages was full of messages from ivtv, since then myth has been all pixilated when skipping forward and backward and no longer flags commercials, any idea how to fix this
[04:03:00] phoner: I get scrolling messages about ivtv, restarting mythbackend stops them for a while
[04:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: _kite_: your recordedmarkup table is hosed up. google for "mysqlrepair recordedmarkup" for instructions on how to fix.
[04:04:00] _kite_: thank you sooooo much :)
[04:05:00] xris: _kite_: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_mist
[04:05:00] xris: wait, typo...
[04:05:00] xris: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/optimize_mythdb.pl.txt
[04:05:00] xris: grab that, run it. will fix your corrupted stuff
[04:05:00] xris: (it's also in mythtv's contrib dir, though that may not have made it into .18)
[04:08:00] _kite_: ^ my hero
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[04:11:00] pridkett: ::sigh:: silly xvmc output
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[04:13:00] pridkett: wish i knew where to start debugging it
[04:14:00] pridkett: well, I've got a vague idea, but not the skill overall
[04:14:00] pridkett: i think i'll just need to oc the machine a bit more
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[04:46:00] GreyFoxx: pridkett: What are you looking to debug ?
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[04:56:00] dmz: hey y'all, i think my recordings got out of wack with database, is there any easy way to make sure i don't have any .nuv files just sitting there taking up space that aren't in there?
[05:00:00] dmz: anyone?
[05:01:00] mandyblock: there is a perl script in the contrib
[05:01:00] mandyblock: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl
[05:01:00] mandyblock: sometimes it works
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[05:04:00] dmz: i can at least hack the script to check for me :)
[05:04:00] dmz: thanks
[05:04:00] mandyblock: I think it only adds files you don't already have in the database
[05:05:00] dmz: that's exactly what i want :)
[05:05:00] dmz: then i can go through interface & delete what i don't want
[05:06:00] dmz: egad 200gig goes way too fast!
[05:06:00] Flimzy: Can anyone tell me what "ivtv0 warning: Encoder mailbox not found" means?
[05:06:00] dmz: i just wish there was a "good" .nvu -> dvd converter
[05:06:00] mandyblock: I still can't figure out, in a later cvs you could delete a recording even with the file missing
[05:06:00] mandyblock: but you can't do that anymore
[05:06:00] mandyblock: it was so cool
[05:07:00] dmz: that would be helpful
[05:08:00] dmz: but you can "touch xxx.nuv" and then delete it ;)
[05:08:00] mandyblock: yea, after mythfrontend locks up
[05:10:00]
[05:10:00] mandyblock: there was a little box that said the file was missing, and asked if it should delete it anyways
[05:10:00] mandyblock: where'd it go
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[05:12:00] dmz: hmm anyone know of any good cable line signal boosters (up to 2ghz)?
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[05:19:00] Flimzy: Grrr
[05:20:00] Flimzy: Why am I having so much dang trouble with ivtv? :/
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[05:25:00] unkle: hello ?
[05:25:00] unkle: anyone ?
[05:28:00] fallenangel: I am using a pvr-350 and can't change channels, /dev/video0 and /dev/v4l/video0 both work for input. can somenoe pleae help me out with configuring something right to change channels?
[05:28:00] xris: ¿olleh
[05:28:00] fallenangel: Flimzy, what trouble?
[05:28:00] fallenangel: i just spent a day on it to get through it
[05:28:00] Flimzy: fallenangel: Can't get it to load the firmware
[05:29:00] fallenangel: oh, didn't have to deal with that, ivtv and lirc didnt' work to well with new kernels so i jumped back to 2.6.12.6 and it all started working
[05:29:00] Flimzy: Hmm
[05:29:00] Flimzy: I'm using 2.6.14.3
[05:30:00] Flimzy: I wonder if an older kernel would help me, too
[05:30:00] fallenangel: yeah, 2.6.14 gave me shit
[05:30:00] Flimzy: I'll try 2.6.12 next, then
[05:31:00] fallenangel: that is some documents on it that it has bugs with 2.6.14, what happens is there is a function call that changed and messes stuff up
[05:33:00] Flimzy: I see
[05:33:00] Flimzy: now I just need to find the documentation that told me how to manually install the firmware again...
[05:36:00] poop: This VFD fills me with unwholesome geeky joy.
[05:39:00] Flimzy: Okay, downloading 2.6.12.6 now
[05:41:00] fallenangel: anyone out there yet know how i can change channels in myth, using a pvr-350
[05:41:00] fallenangel: ?
[05:45:00] poop: fallen: Does it work in other apps?
[05:46:00] fallenangel: i only have myth
[05:46:00] poop: try mplayer
[05:46:00] fallenangel: if i do mplayer it captures channel 4
[05:46:00] fallenangel: if i start myth i set it for channel 2
[05:46:00] fallenangel: so that comes up
[05:46:00] fallenangel: can i change channels with mplayer?
[05:47:00] poop: Do you get anything on std{out,err} from mythfrontend?
[05:48:00] fallenangel: i have never ran it with a console, i can try, hold on (by the way, you know who to run it in just a window?)
[05:50:00] fallenangel: I am getting an error QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
[05:51:00] fallenangel: my tv schedule is 5 hours off, i have yet to figure out how to fix that
[05:51:00] fallenangel: i even set the the timezone offset
[05:51:00] fallenangel: instead of auto
[05:59:00] fallenangel: I am using a pvr-350 and can't change channels, /dev/video0 and /dev/v4l/video0 both work for input. can somenoe pleae help me out with configuring something right to change channels?
[06:02:00] Cromz: fallenangel, do you have an external cable box? or the cable plugged dirrectly into the 350?
[06:02:00] fallenangel: cable plugged directly into the 350
[06:03:00] Cromz: do you have anything in mythtvsetup for external channel changing?
[06:04:00] fallenangel: not sure, when press the keyboard or the changer the numbers show but the channels go no where, where do i checkt hat?
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[06:04:00] tetrawr: Ginsu_Squirrel: hi
[06:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: so both mythbackend and mythfrontend are using 100% cpu and mythfrontend is using 170mb of ram... is that normal?
[06:05:00] poop: fallen: Do your channel line-ups look okay?
[06:05:00] fallenangel: they look ok, but they are 5 hours off
[06:05:00] dev-: Ginsu_Squirrel: i find mythfrontend grows pretty big...
[06:05:00] fallenangel: i trie setting the time zone but that didn't fix it either
[06:05:00] dev-: chris 20904 0.0 16.6 203868 85884 tty1 S Dec05 2:18 mythfrontend
[06:05:00] fallenangel: but the channels and number are correct
[06:05:00] tetrawr: Ginsu_Squirrel: 100% CPU isn't right unless your computer is too slow
[06:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: my computer is 2.4ghz
[06:06:00] dev-: thats only an 8 day uptime for the frontend process.
[06:06:00] dev-: hdtv?
[06:06:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: no
[06:06:00] dev-: err heh
[06:06:00] Cromz: fallenangel, mythtv-setup under hmmm input source.
[06:06:00] fallenangel: and externel should be set to control it with a keyboard or remote?
[06:07:00] Cromz: fallenangel, no.. nothing should be in there
[06:07:00] fallenangel: ok, let me check
[06:07:00] Cromz: fallenangel, that's if you have a external box you need to control.
[06:09:00] fallenangel: external is blank
[06:09:00] fallenangel: nope i have the pvr-350 remote that came with it
[06:09:00] fallenangel: using the lircrc file in the .myth directory
[06:10:00] fallenangel: both that and the keyboard work with it
[06:11:00] mandyblock: anyone know you to turn off this realtime commercial flagging
[06:12:00] Cromz: fallenangel, beyond me sorry. I have a external box. I dont mess with changing the channel on the pvr 350.
[06:12:00] fallenangel: ah, i just read the the hours might be off becauwe of my bio clock, i am gonna check that
[06:13:00] tetrawr: hwclock
[06:13:00] fallenangel: ?
[06:13:00] tetrawr: try running it
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[06:17:00] fallenangel: it spit out the correct time, but my gentoo clock variable was set to local, could that had fucked it up?
[06:19:00] fallenangel: that just fixed that problem
[06:19:00] fallenangel: now i need to figure out this channel problem
[06:25:00] tetrawr: yeah
[06:25:00] tetrawr: i run clock="local" and mythfrontend's schedules are right on, but mythweb is off by 7 hours
[06:26:00] tetrawr: i run a pvr150mce and use it to change channels
[06:26:00] fallenangel: along with not being able to change channels, when my channel 2 comes up, there is no info in the bar
[06:26:00] fallenangel: but if i go to the a guide it is there
[06:27:00] tetrawr: can you look around in the guide? does it have all the correct channel programming information?
[06:27:00] fallenangel: yeah
[06:28:00] fallenangel: i am gonna trya recording something from 1:30–2:200 and see what happens
[06:28:00] tetrawr: did you try using the x key in the guide to change to the selected channel?
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[06:31:00] tetrawr: good luck
[06:32:00] JoeyJoeJo: where is the option to make mythtv transcode recordings after they are finished being recorded?
[06:33:00] xris: auto transcode? I think it's under the recording profile
[06:34:00] fallenangel: tetrawr: no
[06:39:00] poop: lcdproc is righteous
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[07:15:00] nuonguy: So, anyone wanna hear how I fixed my ivtv/nvidia crash problem?
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[07:20:00] Klowner: daah, gentoo installs mysql even if frontendonly is chosen
[07:26:00] poop: It probably wants libraries.
[07:26:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: doesnt the frontend need to connect to the mysql db?
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[07:33:00] Flimzy: Has anyone here gotten the ivtv drivers to work in kernel 2.4.16?
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[07:38:00] Gumby: there isnt any way to queue videos in mythvideo is there?
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[07:45:00] JoeyJoeJo: is the xbox powerful enough to display HD content? and also, is a 100mbps network enough speed to transfer hd content?
[07:46:00] JoeyJoeJo: Flimzy, why not try a 2.6 kernel?
[07:46:00] Flimzy: hrm
[07:46:00] Flimzy: that's what I meant
[07:46:00] Flimzy: 2.6.14
[07:46:00] Gumby: JoeyJoeJo: I would think so, and yes
[07:46:00] Flimzy: juxtaposed my 4 and 6, I guess
[07:46:00] JoeyJoeJo: no prob bob.. sorry can't help you there. I think I'm running like 2.6.11 or 12
[07:46:00] Flimzy: JoeyJoeJo: XBox 360 can display HD... I doubt the standard Xbox can
[07:47:00] Flimzy: I tried 2.6.12... But it doesn't support my SATA controller
[07:47:00] JoeyJoeJo: what controller do you have?
[07:47:00] Flimzy: so I'm thinking I may be a tad up a creek
[07:47:00] Flimzy: It's an ATI
[07:48:00] JoeyJoeJo: I see.. I use an nvidia one myself. Most likely that kernel will be supported by ivtv in the near future
[07:48:00] fatmatt: is anyone recording realplayer streams on their linux box?
[07:48:00] Flimzy: JoeyJoeJo: Yeah, probably. I should try the devel tree of ivtv
[07:48:00] Flimzy: fatmatt: Real player streams? yeck
[07:49:00] fatmatt: theres a radio staion I like that only has realplayer streams available...
[07:49:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, go for the cvs man.. maybe you'll get lucky
[07:49:00] Flimzy: ooh
[07:49:00] Flimzy: you mean capturing real video
[07:49:00] Flimzy: when you said recording, I thought you meant recording
[07:49:00] fatmatt: I can record, but I need the realplayer client running while I do it, having it run in a vncserver session/window isn't stable.
[07:50:00] Flimzy: as in taking input from an audio source, and creating a real media stream with it
[07:50:00] Flimzy: There's a CLI real media player available somewhere
[07:50:00] fatmatt: I'm only interested in capturing audio at the moment
[07:51:00] fatmatt: Flimzy: any idea what its called? saw something called pyplayer to do with helix, but I don't want to go in depth with that as I can;t find much documentation
[07:51:00] Flimzy: fatmatt: No idea
[07:52:00] Flimzy: I just know a friend of mine hacked it to play on the Zaurus
[07:52:00] Flimzy: that's the only reason I even know it exists
[07:52:00] Flimzy: hehe
[07:52:00] Flimzy: no.. wait, I'm confused
[07:52:00] Flimzy: another friend of mine hacked it to work for blind folks
[07:52:00] Flimzy: anyway
[07:52:00] Flimzy: that's immaterial
[07:52:00] Flimzy: I just know it exists
[07:52:00] JoeyJoeJo: do you guys know if ivtv can support the FM capabilites of hauppage cards?
[07:53:00] Flimzy: JoeyJoeJo: I think so... it detects it anyway
[07:53:00] JoeyJoeJo: hmm. I'm going to have to check into this
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[07:56:00] fatmatt: Flimzy: just stumbled across a page that claims you can move the codecs for RP into mplayer..
[08:04:00] Flimzy: fatmatt: Yeah, I think I've done that before
[08:04:00] dmz: yeah, cable signal amplifyer solved my problems!
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[08:07:00] atrius: hello all
[08:08:00] atrius: hmmm... seems the IRC faq search is broken
[08:08:00] Flimzy: blah
[08:08:00] Flimzy: can't get ivtv 0.5.1 to compile
[08:09:00] atrius: so... i was wondering what the best way to get some kind of commercial detection working.. without installing all of mythtv
[08:10:00] Flimzy: install commflag, I guess?
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[08:11:00] atrius: Flimzy: what would be the most straight forward method of doing that?
[08:12:00] Flimzy: *shrug*
[08:12:00] Flimzy: I've never felt the need to do that w/o installing mythtv
[08:13:00] atrius: i don't suppose there is a way to use mythtv with a straight off the dish signal on directv?
[08:13:00] Flimzy: nope
[08:13:00] atrius: yeah, didn't think there would be ;)
[08:13:00] Flimzy: Not unless you've written an illegal decoder software package
[08:13:00] ** atrius kicks directv **
[08:14:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: you can use ir blaster and all tha fun stuff to make myth contorl the receive tho... cna't you?
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[08:15:00] atrius: you can, but then you lose the direct to disk signal quality. right now, it goes from dish to disk with no AtoD or DtoA steps. i'm trying to preserve that
[08:16:00] atrius: err, i should say that with a tivo it does that
[08:16:00] atrius: directivo anyway
[08:16:00] zer0blivion: Does mythtv support Nagra2 providers, more specificly BEV?
[08:17:00] zer0blivion: I mean via DVB
[08:18:00] zer0blivion: I know I could use an IR blaster with my reciever
[08:19:00] zer0blivion: but I'd prefer to use a DVB card
[08:20:00] zer0blivion: is anyone here using mythtv with a satelite provider?
[08:22:00] zer0blivion: is anyone even here?
[08:22:00] atrius: i am
[08:23:00] ** poop trudges through irrecord **
[08:23:00] zer0blivion: cool
[08:23:00] poop: at least the iMON works though
[08:23:00] atrius: unfortunately, i have no information for you either :(
[08:23:00] zer0blivion: ok
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[08:34:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: top is so screwy
[08:34:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: it says mythbackend and mythfrontend are both using 99.9% cpu
[08:34:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: but my cpu stats says cpu0 and cpu1 are both 60% idle
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[08:39:00] banyan: Anyone willing to chat with me about the operational / performance differences between a PVR-150 and a PVR-250/350?
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[08:45:00] banyan: Somebody have experience with both the 150 and the 250?
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[09:00:00] overseer: i'm willing to listen to someone chat with you banyan — i'm interested in same
[09:01:00] banyan: or maybe the 500, which is like two 150s / 250s put together.
[09:02:00] banyan: and is apparently supported by ivtv.
[09:02:00] overseer: i thought that was the 350 — two tuners on a 250 board
[09:02:00] banyan: nope, the 350 is a 250 with a tv-out.
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[09:03:00] banyan: I have one and it's good quality capture as well as great quality tv-out.
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[09:05:00] JoeyJoeJo: do you guys know if ivtv can support the FM capabilites of hauppage cards? I have a /dev/radio, but I can't get any sound out of it
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[09:12:00] JoeyJoeJo: nvm, I got it with ivtv-radio
[09:12:00] JoeyJoeJo: is there any way to play the radio over mythtv?
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[09:19:00] Flimzy: There's a myth-radio plugin
[09:19:00] Flimzy: altho I've never used it
[09:20:00] Flimzy: I don't remember what it's called
[09:20:00] Flimzy: myth-radio, or myth-fm, or somesuch
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[09:20:00] Flimzy: Does IVTV require any special kernel options (other than hotpluggable firmware)?
[09:20:00] Flimzy: such as I2O, or anything else funny?
[09:21:00] Flimzy: or maybe specific I2C drivers?
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[10:00:00] ** wole arives at work **
[10:01:00] wole: mornin all
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[10:14:00] fatmatt: heyas, what time is it in the US now, EST?
[10:20:00] juski: isn't there a thing caled www.worldtime.com or something, fatmatt?
[10:23:00] fatmatt: thanks
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[10:47:00] fatmatt: has anyone managed to get mplayer to play realplay streams?
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[11:02:00] juski: fatmatt: yes, but only in XBMC
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[11:08:00] wole: ok guys, stupid question...
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[11:08:00] wole: i have loads of nuv files. How do i get mytht to transcode them to mpeg4?
[11:10:00] juski: wole: go into recording profiles.. set the transcoder to use whatever format you prefer (and bitrate etc).. then in 'recorded programs' select each recording in turn & queue a transcoding job. I'm sure all of this is in the documentation somewhere
[11:11:00] wole: juski: yeah, i'm trying to find it atteh moment, most of the docs deal with setting up myth, not useing it tho ^_^
[11:12:00] juski: the m,ailing list archive is a veritable _mine_ of usefull information
[11:12:00] juski: as are the logs for this channel.. this subject is always coming up
[11:12:00] wole: juski: k.
[11:13:00] ** wole wanders off to wade through the logs **
[11:13:00] juski: a pointer: a few days ago (thurs or fri) I helped someone out on this very issue
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[12:54:00] wole: Has anyone had any success with DVB topuptv in the UK (hauppauge nova-t pci)
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[13:25:00] juski: good afternoon
[13:27:00] poop: good morning
[13:30:00] laga: good afternoon
[13:35:00] GreyFoxx: good morning
[13:43:00] juski: got more plumbing to do when I got home :-/ Damn pipes
[13:43:00] laga: hehe
[13:44:00] juski: couldn't find my solder, so had to rely on the pre-solder in the joints. I needn't say it wasn't enough. bah
[13:45:00] juski: reasons why pg-wide isn't out yet #201 ;)
[13:45:00] laga: ugh. sometimes it's hard to make good bug reports
[13:46:00] juski: it's never easy to make a good bug report IMHO.. seemingly I can never provide enough of the right information
[13:46:00] laga: yep.
[13:47:00] laga: i forgot to state the actual problem in my last one
[13:47:00] juski: well it's better than just saying "help! broke!" ;)
[13:48:00] juski: or in my case "error: broken pipe"
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: "I'm getting a few sporadic reports that there are some problems, cna you look for me?" That's the kind of crap I get from customers
[13:49:00] juski: ugh
[13:49:00] juski: customers eh.. who needs em ;)
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: Of course no details on WHAT the problems are, what has been attempted to solve it, WHAT time it occured, or specific examples of problems I can zero it on to verify said problems
[13:50:00] juski: "try rebooting"
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: Unfortunately we have a couple that reboot first and ask questions later
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: and by that time they have either made it worse or the problem is "gone" so I can't attempt to figure out what was going on
[13:51:00] GreyFoxx: We have one moron that reboots his cable modem provisioning server to "fix" his problems. And invariably it doesn't fix the problem and leads to more...... we have told him 15 times now how to fix it, but he keeps rebooting
[13:52:00] GreyFoxx: I mean how f*cking thick do you have to be to not realize that rebooting hasn't fixed it in the 14 previous attempts and that maybe just maybe it might work this time ?
[13:52:00] juski: just leave him to apply the same strategy when his gas boiler at home fails :D
[13:53:00] GreyFoxx: the worst part is he refuses to reboot properly. He just walks up behind the sparc and pulls the fscking power cable *cries*
[13:53:00] juski: fscking.. that's right word too lol
[13:54:00] juski: solaris is really bad for not liking nasty powerdowns too
[13:54:00] juski: least it used to be the last time I used a Sparc5
[13:55:00] GreyFoxx: It usually recovers, but manual intervention is often needed
[13:55:00] GreyFoxx: let alone the start of any apps that didn't shutdown properly
[13:57:00] juski: see this is one area where the commandline diehards have the right idea... give a user a friendly interface & they'll only screw it up more
[13:58:00] GreyFoxx: imho you should have to EARN the lazy/easy route
[13:58:00] GreyFoxx: and by that I mean do things manually so that you have an understanding of what the lazy tools do
[13:58:00] GreyFoxx: so you are still effective and not crippled when it's not there to wipe your *ss for you
[13:58:00] GreyFoxx: Wow, 9:58am and I'm already bitter
[13:58:00] GreyFoxx: sweeeet :)
[13:59:00] juski: and it's not even a Monday
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: my crankiness knows no date boundaries :)
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[14:03:00] wole: mornin' (well afternoon here)
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[15:13:00] rsdvd: Juski : are you around?
[15:15:00] juski: kind of
[15:15:00] rsdvd: lol – have you just bought a DVD on ebay?
[15:15:00] juski: yeh
[15:15:00] juski: problem?
[15:15:00] rsdvd: thank you forthe custom ;-)
[15:15:00] juski: np
[15:16:00] juski: got me out of a hole re a present I was looking for :)
[15:16:00] rsdvd: I have just packed it and recognised your name! it should be with you within 3 days
[15:16:00] fryfrog: crazy!
[15:19:00] juski: shit – now you know where I live!  ;)
[15:19:00] rsdvd: lol
[15:19:00] fryfrog: you should seal up a nice cat turd for him too :)
[15:20:00] rsdvd: I would never do that! :-)
[15:20:00] fryfrog: no cat?
[15:20:00] juski: it's not my fault my sister has no taste & insisted on madonna themed pressies
[15:20:00] Krazylegz: Whoa, Madonna.
[15:21:00] rsdvd: juski : no need to appologise....ther more madonna themed DVDs the better
[15:21:00] juski: hey yeah she used to be good once
[15:22:00] juski: before the Ritchie period I mean ;)
[15:23:00] juski: anyway rsdvd: no problem.. if you ever get 'it couldn't happen here' give me a buzz.. I know it's crap I just wanna see it
[15:24:00] rsdvd: never heardof it......but I will kep my eye out
[15:24:00] Krazylegz: Please tell me that it was "A League of Their Own."
[15:24:00] Krazylegz: Not that I have a problem with Madonna.
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[15:29:00] get_carter: madoneah
[15:32:00] juski: Krazylegs: Evita ... The Virgin world Tour on DVD would have been well, sweet, but it's not available
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[15:37:00] t00m: who's using gentoo?
[15:38:00] juski: t00m: I do
[15:38:00] ** juski blushes **
[15:38:00] t00m: i'm desperate
[15:38:00] t00m: i tried to install nuvexport
[15:38:00] juski: and?
[15:39:00] t00m: it installed about 20 dependencies and THEN failed to build nuvexport because transcode was missing mjpeg support
[15:39:00] t00m: so I added mjped and build the whole bunch again
[15:39:00] juski: hmmm
[15:39:00] t00m: now it's complaining again. ffmpeg is missing aac support
[15:39:00] t00m: I start hating it
[15:39:00] poop: I've been using irrecord on my (supposedly already working) iMON PAD remote, but I can only reliably get about 5 buttons.
[15:39:00] juski: so put aac in $USE, t00m
[15:40:00] juski: then re-emerge ffmpeg
[15:40:00] t00m: now, before I rebuild ffmeg and ALL its deps and then see it complaining about $donnoyet .. would you mind pasting your useflags?
[15:40:00] juski: t00m: never used nuvexport in my life
[15:40:00] t00m: but transcode?
[15:41:00] poop: t00m: ccache will save time on rebuilds
[15:41:00] juski: but I don't mind posting my USE list
[15:41:00] t00m: poop: tried ccache years ago. it didn't really save remarkable amount for me. maybe I was just doing the wrong stuff
[15:42:00] t00m: and I usually just compile apps once
[15:43:00] t00m: it's just annoying that it complains after installing everything instead of before ..
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[15:45:00] t00m: juski: it's emerge --info|grep USE
[15:45:00] t00m: just in case
[15:45:00] poop: t00m: You weren't using it correctly.
[15:45:00] juski: X opengl dvb kde gtk2 gtk gnome -gnome-games -office -spell alsa avi cdr v4l v4l2 dvd ipv6 transcode
[15:45:00] juski: nvidia mmx mozilla wxinwindows usb tcltk samba python perl pdflib mpeg mysql apache2 cdb divx4linux oggvorbis png
[15:45:00] juski: ssl arts encode lirc gd dba php mod_php session
[15:46:00] juski: dammit.. was just trying to open a pastebin
[15:47:00] juski: anyway transcoding to mpeg4 works on that system, so I'm guessing that when I built it, it just pulled everything together
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[15:48:00] Krazylegz: emerge apt-get
[15:48:00] Krazylegz: apt-get install portage :-(
[15:49:00] juski: I did a fair bit of yelling when I first installed Ubuntu but I'd definitely say I prefer it now
[15:52:00] poop: Maybe I should just forget about this iMON remote and setup my learning remote on the HTPC.
[15:56:00] |Slurpee|: yea i am confused about my remote
[15:56:00] |Slurpee|: i have to buy a special remote ?
[15:58:00] unkle: fallenangel ?
[15:58:00] juski: you don't necessarily need a special remote, no
[15:58:00] t00m: poop: what did i do wrong?
[15:58:00] |Slurpee|: i need a ir i/o ?
[15:59:00] poop: t00m: How would I know that?
[15:59:00] juski: t00m: I think he meant that if you didn't notice any improvement you mus've done something not quite right ;)
[15:59:00] poop: For some reason irrecord gives me inconsisent results.
[15:59:00] t00m: ah, it's about ccache
[16:00:00] t00m: i used it for building kernel on freebsd ..
[16:01:00] juski: poop: maybe it can't guess the protocol your remote uses. sometimes remotes don't stick with a known protocol & just do what they like
[16:02:00] unkle: hi all :) ...Ive been banging my head against the wall the last couple of days trying to get my PVR350 to change channel. It works with both ptune.pl and ivtv-tune but not inside the mythfrontend. The backend gives this message "CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "3" in the "setup" Channel Editor. Your database is most likely setup incorrectly". Is there some way to do an idiot-proof setup with the channel editor ?
[16:02:00] juski: OMG.. I'm away to Scan.. PVR150 £37.59 today only :)
[16:03:00] juski: laters
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[16:03:00] jonK: idiot-proof? very hard... idiots can be very clever
[16:03:00] unkle: i suspect it has something to do with the frequency ID which is left blank in the channel editor (shouldnt it have a value?)
[16:03:00] unkle: jonK > yeah i know... im trying my best to sound clever ;)
[16:04:00] t00m: damnit
[16:05:00] jonK: looking at my key bindings table, there is values for the frequid field
[16:06:00] poop: juski: This seems to be a new rev of an existing line at least.
[16:07:00] unkle: its quite frustrating... ive tried various different configs and setups of the ivtv-parameters during bootup but without success (my system is knopmyth R5A26)
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[16:08:00] unkle: jonK > your key-bindings table ? ...how do you check this ? (im VERY new to this scene)
[16:09:00] unkle: jonK > im also uncertain about the syntax of this frequency ID ...is it what is represented by K12, K13, K14, S3, S4, S5 and so on in the channel guide from my cable-provider ?
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[16:14:00] jonK: unkle, I was just looking in mythweb-->settings-->keybindings
[16:14:00] unkle: perhaps i can rephrase it :) ...here in DK my guide to channel-keys says "tv-channel: DR1, channel: K10, frequency 210250" ...which is to go in to what fields ? i mean, theres also a call-sign and stuff :)
[16:16:00] unkle: jonK > ah okay, ill have a look there (i checked it yesterday and im quite certain that theres no entrys in the FreqID-fields)
[16:18:00] unkle: jonK > found it, but no freqID :( ...the table has been populated by xmltv (i think(?) i ran mythtv-setup and it contacted a TV-stations webpage and received a lot of info and then i ran mythfilldatabase)
[16:19:00] unkle: there is a callsign (ie "1005") and a name (ie "TV3") but no channum and no freqid
[16:21:00] unkle: also the source-id is the same for all channels "1"
[16:25:00] unkle: it got -very- quiet in here... ?
[16:29:00] poop: -crickets-
[16:29:00] rjune: frogs
[16:29:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo.
[16:30:00] unkle: Cowboy Neal ?
[16:30:00] Beirdo: Krazylegz.
[16:30:00] unkle: could anyone give me some input as to what might be wrong ? (my config... yes... i know ! ;))
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[16:39:00] unkle: oh ! got it now ! :o)))
[16:40:00] unkle: used "ptune.pl --freqtable pal-europe --list-channels" to list the channels and then its all about matching the frequency to the ID of the channel and enter it manually into the database via mythweb.... brilliant !
[16:41:00] ** Krazylegz hands unkle a Guinness **
[16:42:00] unkle: Krazylegs > ...what a great idea
[16:42:00] unkle: fetches a beer from the fridge...
[16:43:00] unkle: someone should do a guide to this and put it on the web... for all the lost souls... (ie "me")
[16:44:00] Krazylegz: unkle: We look forward to your contribution.
[16:44:00] unkle: (i guess that "someone" should be me) ;)
[16:44:00] Krazylegz: Indeed. :-)
[16:44:00] unkle: ill do it within a day or two :)
[16:44:00] ** Krazylegz copies things down for when unkle forgets to post **
[16:44:00] unkle: id be happy to contribute (its a humble contribution i know i know...)
[16:45:00] unkle: Krazylegz > hehe... fair enough ;)
[16:46:00] unkle: Krazylegz > is there a particular wiki or a forum where i should enter this little howto ? (the alternative is to put it on my own site which is only viewed by google-bots...)
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[16:47:00] Krazylegz: I don't know, actually.
[16:47:00] Krazylegz: Someone else here would know better than me.
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[16:47:00] Krazylegz: In actuality, posting it here means that it is on the web, somewhere.
[16:48:00] unkle: Krazylegz > ok... ill add it to me website too
[16:48:00] unkle: Krazylegz > i dont know anyone else to ask for a wiki or forum adress...
[16:48:00] unkle: Krazylegz > youre my only friend in here !!!
[16:48:00] unkle: or...
[16:48:00] unkle: just kidding :p
[16:48:00] Krazylegz: mythtv.info is a wiki.
[16:48:00] Krazylegz: Heh.
[16:49:00] Krazylegz: http://www.mythtv.info/
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[16:49:00] unkle: Krazylegz > ok ill look into it... thanks
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[16:53:00] thinker: is it possible to play uk digital radio stations in mythtv? it picks up all the tv stations fine from my dvb-t card, but not the radio stations
[16:53:00] thinker: or, is there a mythradio project I should be looking for? :-)
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[17:00:00] rjune: Beirdo: you play with svn ya?
[17:01:00] Beirdo: I use it
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[17:03:00] ** poop declares irssi the winner **
[17:03:00] poop: I've been meaning to find a better client for about a decade.
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[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: I'll have to try that out one of these days
[17:10:00] poop: Actually, I can't get it to restore the window layout
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: Can't remember the last time I tried a different IRC client heh
[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: As long as I can do split screen windows and afew other minor things I'm happy
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[17:19:00] rjune: Beirdo: there a compelling reason to play with it over .18? or is it mostly bugfixes and such
[17:19:00] rjune: and more importantly, did the db layout change
[17:19:00] Beirdo: of course the db changed
[17:19:00] Beirdo: and it's been so long since 0.18 went by, I don't recall. I've been using CVS then SVN for over a year
[17:19:00] rjune: heh. ok.
[17:20:00] Beirdo: but for sure the db has changed
[17:20:00] Beirdo: and the protocol version too
[17:21:00] rjune: so I would have to do it wholesale.
[17:21:00] Beirdo: yup
[17:21:00] Beirdo: be sure to dump and backup the db first if you want any chance of backtracking
[17:21:00] rjune: bah
[17:22:00] Chutt: yay, 81.74's in ubuntu
[17:23:00] rjune: ?
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: nvidia drivers
[17:23:00] rjune: ah
[17:23:00] poop: Are they awesome?
[17:24:00] Beirdo: do they julienne fries?
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: I moved back to 7676
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[17:25:00] Chutt: naw
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[17:27:00] poop: I need to pick up 2 longish firewire cables and one narrow IDE cable.
[17:27:00] poop: I have to drive there :(
[17:27:00] poop: Well, maybe not
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[17:35:00] poop: woo, figured it out
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[17:49:00] |Slurpee|: yoooo xris
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[17:49:00] xris: morning
[17:50:00] |Slurpee|: its 10 till noon here
[17:50:00] |Slurpee|: afternoon ;/
[17:52:00] xris: still morning
[17:52:00] Krazylegz: 10 till 1pm here.
[17:52:00] Krazylegz: |Slurpee|: How is 11:50am 'afternoon'?
[17:53:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, it's afternoon somewhere!
[17:54:00] Krazylegz: Indeed, it's afternoon here.
[17:54:00] kormoc: so there ya go
[17:54:00] Krazylegz: There YOU go. :-P
[17:55:00] laga: it's evening here. that's even better than afternoon.
[17:56:00] |Slurpee|: stop being so technical ;/
[17:56:00] kormoc: we're geeks! It's what we do!
[17:56:00] laga: kormoc: talk geeky to me.
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[17:58:00] kormoc: uhh... I'm gonna interface the mysql database with the php scripts in a double teired multidirectional replication system with redundant offsite backups this weekend.
[17:58:00] poop: hah
[17:58:00] poop: .topic <laga> kormoc: talk geeky to me.
[17:59:00] wole: ARGH! help! I just ran mythtv-setup, and now everytime i run the frontend it rubs the setup prog. Where do i have to set the password for the database, and tell myth not to reinitialise the database?
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[17:59:00] wole: or am i screwed *sob*
[18:00:00] laga: kormoc: ;)
[18:00:00] kormoc: wole, is the mysql.txt file correct?
[18:01:00] kormoc: poop, http://www.openbash.org/quote/171
[18:01:00] wole: kormoc: probably not, but i dont want to gove it the right password in case it wipes my db. Supose i should back up the db first then let it go..
[18:02:00] kormoc: wole, you should be using the myth user you created in the install step
[18:02:00] kormoc: wole, this user only has access to the mythtv database, so worse comes to worse, it will wipe the mythtv stuff and that's it
[18:03:00] wole: kormoc, ok – i'll have a look..
[18:03:00] ** wole calms down slightly **
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[18:08:00] Beirdo: ahhhh, Megadeth, just what I need to help me debug this amavisd config
[18:08:00] kormoc: hehe
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[18:09:00] Beirdo: and it drowns out the loud cow-workers too :)
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[18:18:00] poop: <ThinkingMan> ]what's the hardest part about learning to rollerblade?
[18:18:00] poop: <ThinkingMan> telling your dad you're gay
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[18:22:00] FunkyStickman: Chutt: the *.fixes version seems to compile okay with gcc 4... ironing out a few things, but I think I'm close
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[18:29:00] psofa: http://www.ram-shop.gr/showproduct.jsp?prodid=6601 -> will that work with linux/mythtv
[18:29:00] psofa: ?
[18:33:00] FunkyStickman: crap. It's giving me "joystick.h: unexpected BITS_PER_LONG"
[18:35:00] FunkyStickman: compiling without joymenu support, we'll see if it completes or not
[18:38:00] kormoc: psofa, there's a hardware compatability list on myth's website, you should likely look there.
[18:43:00] FunkyStickman: well, in psofa's defense, the hardware compat list isn't exactly in a bright red link on the front page (but should be)
[18:43:00] Chutt: cuz the 'documentation' link is just _so_ obscure.
[18:44:00] FunkyStickman: again, 3–4 clicks to get to it, and should be reachable within 2, in my opinion
[18:44:00] FunkyStickman: but then again, what do I know? LOL
[18:46:00] kormoc: FunkyStickman, it is at 2
[18:47:00] Chutt: documentation -> hardware.
[18:47:00] kormoc: well, the main hardware compat list.
[18:47:00] Chutt: that's 2 clicks.
[18:47:00] FunkyStickman: plus the click to the off-site database
[18:47:00] Chutt: what off-site database?
[18:48:00] Chutt: the hardware compatability list is in the docs.
[18:48:00] Chutt: the hardware database at pvrhw.goldfish.org is shit.
[18:48:00] FunkyStickman: what he's looking for is a specific capture card list, which isn't in the docs, at least not on the hardware requirements page
[18:49:00] GreyFoxx: And why would it be. Myth supports drivers, not cards
[18:49:00] GreyFoxx: tomorrow 50 more cards might come out that work with the supported drivers, should myth someone know and add them to a list ?
[18:50:00] kormoc: FunkyStickman, listing every card's info would be teadious to keep up to date, there is a list of recommended hardware and links to find out more about specific hardware, seems the best solution to not give old info, imho.
[18:50:00] FunkyStickman: this is true, but what if you're looking for that specifically?
[18:50:00] GreyFoxx: google is your friend
[18:50:00] kormoc: then you click hardware, read a bit and click into a driver link?
[18:51:00] kormoc: the person who's using a nonstandard card should be expected to need to research more imho.
[18:51:00] FunkyStickman: what is "nonstandard?"
[18:51:00] FunkyStickman: you see where I'm going with this? I'm not trying to be an ass
[18:51:00] GreyFoxx: non dvb, non bttv, non ivtv ?
[18:51:00] kormoc: most people (90%+?) use a bttv or a ivtv card, yeah.
[18:52:00] GreyFoxx: google for the hardware name + linux, and almost invariably within the first couple links you will know if it's supported and what the driver is
[18:52:00] FunkyStickman: again, are those things listed on the box? If you're diving into Linux in general, you're in for some fun, but Myth is sucking in a lot of non-linux people
[18:52:00] kormoc: (90% is a guess, given what most people ask about in the channel)
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[18:52:00] GreyFoxx: Those who maintain the drivers often have lists of smesort of the hardware that it applies too
[18:53:00] kormoc: FunkyStickman, the ivtv hardware is listed on the site, as it's the recommended hardware.
[18:53:00] FunkyStickman: at the bottom of the hardware page?
[18:53:00] FunkyStickman: I saw that
[18:53:00] FunkyStickman: "The most common inexpensive cards available use the Bt848 or Bt878 video capture chip; examples are the "Hauppauge WinTV Go" card and the "AverTV Desktop PVR" card, both of which use the bttv kernel module."
[18:54:00] kormoc: FunkyStickman, look under hardware MPEG-2 encoders
[18:54:00] laga: if anyone in here has nuvexport (from SVN) running with mythtv (from SVN as well) working, could they please tell me what versions of ffmpeg or transcode they are running? thanks.
[18:56:00] fryfrog: FunkyStickman: if you are picking a card, go for a pvr 150, 250 or 500
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[18:56:00] fryfrog: 150/250 are just as good, 150 is newere and should be cheaper
[18:56:00] FunkyStickman: again, not trying to be an ass. Well, I was mostly concerned with people that already have a card.... like me
[18:56:00] fryfrog: 500 is 2x 150 on one card
[18:57:00] fryfrog: oh, you *have* a card already :/
[18:57:00] psofa: well i cant find the god damn pvr150 in a local greek shop
[18:57:00] FunkyStickman: if I were building one from scratch, yes, I'd get a PVR 500 or something equivalent... but that isn't the case
[18:57:00] Chutt: that's what the interweb is for
[18:57:00] kormoc: FunkyStickman, realistically, it's a hard task to keep a up to date hardware list. Maybe you want to tackle it?
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[18:58:00] fryfrog: FunkyStickman: that'd be one hard as *fuck* list to maintain
[18:58:00] FunkyStickman: I woulnd't say it's required, but would probably help the project in the long run
[18:58:00] Chutt: hardware lists are for driver authors.
[18:58:00] Chutt: not for app software.
[18:58:00] GreyFoxx: FunkyStickman: How?
[18:58:00] fryfrog: FunkyStickman: i bet the myth devs have maybe 2–3% of all the possible cards, but most of the popular ones at least
[18:59:00] fryfrog: also, 87% of statistics are made up on the spot!
[18:59:00] dmz: anyone know where the .deb's might be found now that matt isn't maintaining them?
[18:59:00] Chutt: you don't see kde having a list of supported motherboards, now, do you?
[18:59:00] GreyFoxx: Links to the main driver site where a user can attempt to find out are one thing, but spending time and money to keep a list is not worth it
[18:59:00] dmz: fryfrog, but only 50% of the time
[18:59:00] psofa: can the mpeg2 encoder of pvr150 be used independently?
[18:59:00] Chutt: no.
[18:59:00] GreyFoxx: psofa: To encode non captured content ?
[19:00:00] kormoc: well, you could loop back though it...
[19:00:00] psofa: yes
[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: no
[19:00:00] psofa: :(
[19:00:00] kormoc: tvcard tv out to pvr input and capture off of that.
[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: the encoder is connected directly to the tuner/caspture inputs
[19:00:00] kormoc: erm, videocard tv out to capture card input
[19:00:00] psofa: yes i got it
[19:01:00] psofa: but i can get the mpeg2 stream through pci and do whatever i want with it
[19:01:00] psofa: yes?
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: from the card? certainly
[19:01:00] kormoc: sure, cat /dev/video0 > blah blha
[19:01:00] psofa: nice
[19:01:00] Chutt: what would the point of the card be if you couldn't?
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: ;)
[19:02:00] psofa: :D
[19:02:00] Chutt: helps to think about questions first, before asking them
[19:02:00] psofa: srry ur right
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[19:03:00] psofa: and how the reception quality? is it on par with a regular tv?
[19:03:00] fryfrog: it depends a lot on the quality of your signal
[19:03:00] Chutt: buy one and see.
[19:03:00] fryfrog: most of my chans look great, but a few suck donkey balloks
[19:04:00] fryfrog: commedy central, channel 2...
[19:04:00] psofa: Chutt, think of your answers too
[19:04:00] GreyFoxx: stuff through my mythboxes look better than the cheap tuners in my TV's
[19:04:00] Chutt: they're $70
[19:04:00] psofa: and who told you that i can spend 70$ just to find out that it wont do for me
[19:05:00] Chutt: uh, returns aren't exactly difficult.
[19:05:00] fryfrog: the hardware mpeg2 cards look MUCH better than the software tv cards
[19:05:00] Chutt: quality is very subjective.
[19:06:00] Chutt: and _very_ dependent on what you're feeding it and how you're displaying it.
[19:06:00] psofa: Chutt, if i buy it of the internet i will have to pay the sending fees and not all shops allow you to return back the product
[19:06:00] Chutt: so buy it from someplace that will
[19:07:00] Chutt: you're either going to buy a hardware encoder card, or spend at _least_ the difference in price for a more powerful cpu with a software encoder card.
[19:07:00] psofa: ill buy the encoder
[19:07:00] psofa: :D
[19:08:00] fryfrog: no quality worries from HDTV though
[19:08:00] fryfrog: or if you use sat and svideo link
[19:08:00] FunkyStickman: anyway, be back in a few, need to do something before I finish testing the new compile
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[19:13:00] praet: i've got a general question... i've used the fedora guide and am looking to build a new machine.. is there any major differences between Knoppmyth and Ubuntu (with guide)
[19:13:00] Beirdo: I wanna kick some ass
[19:14:00] psofa: and what about the decoder of the pvr350? can i use it only if i output to the cards tvout? or i can get the decoded stream back from the pci bus?
[19:14:00] Beirdo: amavisd-new config is not a pleasant thing to be tasked with
[19:14:00] psofa: i think thats a valid question
[19:14:00] GreyFoxx: psofa: Only to the tvout
[19:14:00] psofa: damn thats not good
[19:14:00] praet: i think the pvr350 is just two pvr150s
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[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: no, the 500 is 2 150's
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: the 350 is a 250 + decoder/tvout
[19:15:00] praet: oh i see
[19:15:00] Bonkers: ok, clrealy you can get the mpeg2 from the card and do whatever you want
[19:15:00] Bonkers: you think the card has a hard drive to store it?
[19:15:00] Juski: evening
[19:15:00] praet: is there a diff between the 150 and 250 drivers
[19:15:00] psofa: Bonkers, i didnt ask that
[19:15:00] kormoc: praet, same driver
[19:16:00] Juski: Bonkers: a hard drive on a tuner card hmmm...
[19:16:00] praet: hehe
[19:16:00] praet: thanks kormoc
[19:16:00] Bonkers: Juski: it's called a tivo pretty much ;)
[19:16:00] kormoc: Bonkers, what he was asking was to be able to do things like cat blah.mpg > /dev/video0 > blah.raw
[19:16:00] praet: has anyone used ubuntu for a mythbox?
[19:16:00] Juski: wtf is a tivo?
[19:16:00] Chutt: nobody has, ever.
[19:16:00] praet: better to run knoppmyth?
[19:16:00] laga: Juski: like mythtv for lazy americans.
[19:16:00] Bonkers: kormoc: ah
[19:16:00] Juski: praet: my testing system runs on ubuntu
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: praet: best to use whatever distro you are most comfortable with, whatever that may be
[19:17:00] Juski: hiya laga. pipes are sorted & I am warm again (yay!)
[19:17:00] praet: thanks guys
[19:17:00] laga: Juski: nice ;).
[19:18:00] Juski: praet: there's a pretty good ubuntu howto available
[19:18:00] praet: right i've seen it
[19:18:00] praet: just wondereing if there is benefits to use that over knoppmyth
[19:18:00] Juski: I was gonna dash down to Scan & snap up a PVR150 but got my priorities right instead
[19:18:00] praet: etc.
[19:19:00] Juski: praet: too many people regard Knoppmyth as some kind of magical solution
[19:20:00] laga: Juski: went to town to shop for christmas presents. didn't find anything. ;)
[19:20:00] praet: well my WAF wont let me destroy the machine to upgrade
[19:20:00] praet: so im off to rebuild
[19:20:00] praet: ive got myself in a bind tho
[19:21:00] Juski: laga: oh dear.. how many shopping days left now? eesh. That said I came up against a snag with an online order today.. ended up buying something more expensive (duh)
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[19:21:00] laga: Juski: hehe. well, there will be enough time to get presents, it's just that i've been busy with other stuff lately.
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[19:22:00] praet: how nice would a new mythbox be for the holidays
[19:22:00] Juski: I'm gonna get _so_ slaughtered this Friday on my department night out.. been thru the mill of late
[19:22:00] Juski: praet: don't rush it ;)
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[19:23:00] psofa: what would a french site most probably sell? a ntsc or a pal model?
[19:23:00] Juski: prolly SECAM
[19:23:00] laga: psofa: a pal model.
[19:23:00] laga: err, right. SECAM!
[19:23:00] psofa: ?
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[19:23:00] Juski: psofa: SECAM is the French TV standard
[19:23:00] psofa: theres no secam model for pvr150
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[19:23:00] laga: Juski: i'm going to sleep thru the weekend ;)
[19:24:00] poop: yay
[19:24:00] Juski: 50Hz, like PAL, but the colour is handled differently
[19:24:00] poop: I just need to work a little formatting and color into my theme and I'm all set.
[19:24:00] praet: poop: you got a preview on a site yet?
[19:24:00] Juski: looks like I started something. Will I live to regret it?
[19:24:00] psofa: model 01046: WinTV-PVR-150 with Hauppauge remote control, IR Blaster and PAL/SECAM tuner -> oh im idiot
[19:25:00] poop: praet: preview?
[19:25:00] Juski: screenshots, poop
[19:25:00] poop: oh, not a mythtv theme :)
[19:25:00] praet: dang
[19:25:00] poop: I'm not terribly useful at visual artsy things`1
[19:25:00] Juski: thank fuck for that. don't you dare go stealing my thunder
[19:25:00] Juski: ;)
[19:25:00] praet: Juski what os does your 'production' mythbox use?
[19:25:00] poop: more wide themes
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[19:25:00] Juski: Gentoo
[19:25:00] praet: hrmm
[19:26:00] Juski: my excuse goes as follows:
[19:26:00] Juski: I was a total noob & had gentoo help on tap
[19:26:00] praet: does gentoo have apt?
[19:26:00] Juski: no, but it has portage
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[19:26:00] praet: i mean, is it easy to upgrade the kernel
[19:26:00] praet: oh
[19:27:00] poop: praet: pseudo "ports" (bsd-like) system
[19:27:00] praet: im running fedora core 1 and cant get my lady away from the box long enough to update it porperly
[19:27:00] rjune: LOL
[19:27:00] Juski: praet: even on my crappy 800mhz machine, a custom kernel compile only took like 30 mins or so
[19:27:00] poop: heh
[19:28:00] praet: so i guess ill have to "oops it formatted"
[19:28:00] Juski: but you can get binary kernels
[19:28:00] rjune: praet: that's mean
[19:28:00] Juski: praet: stay up late ;)
[19:28:00] praet: jus like the lamp trophy in 'a cristmas story'
[19:28:00] rjune: then she stays up
[19:28:00] Juski: don't go using an excuse like that though.. I forsee drainage of the WAF if you do
[19:28:00] praet: well im worried that my lack of skills and custom kernel will mess up on the upgrade
[19:29:00] praet: even running apt on mythtv .16 to 18.1 gives dep errors
[19:30:00] praet: i feel like a complete reinstall would fare better... but i have to assure the lady that "my precious" recordings wont get stolen
[19:30:00] Juski: back up the database
[19:30:00] praet: already have :)
[19:30:00] Juski: and the recordings
[19:31:00] praet: not going to touch that partition
[19:31:00] Juski: infact – do you have a spare HDD lying round?
[19:31:00] praet: yea just grabbed an 160 gb out of a repair
[19:31:00] Juski: that's how I upgraded my system... and then when it all works clone it ;)
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[19:32:00] rjune: praet: I thought you were using fedora
[19:32:00] praet: you mean make a backup clone, work on the system (incase a problem restore it) then once the beast is done clone that for future fixes?
[19:33:00] praet: yeah im on fedora core1
[19:33:00] Juski: praet: yup
[19:33:00] rjune: praet: so why are you using apt?
[19:33:00] praet: running synaptic or apt get
[19:33:00] praet: what am i supposed to use?
[19:33:00] rjune: well, yum is the default. and apt-rpm is deprecated
[19:34:00] praet: oh dang
[19:34:00] rjune: aka, no longer actively maintained. as far as I know
[19:34:00] praet: what is synaptic based on>
[19:35:00] rjune: apt
[19:36:00] rjune: yumex is the yum gui
[19:36:00] rjune: but you need fc3 or later for it
[19:36:00] praet: oh i see
[19:36:00] praet: rjune what os you on?
[19:37:00] rjune: I use fc3 for my mythboxes
[19:38:00] rjune: fc4 for my desktop, and sles9 for my fileserver
[19:38:00] praet: did you start with fedora 1?
[19:38:00] praet: i am trying to figure out if i need to add the kernel drivers if i yum upgrade to fc3/4
[19:39:00] rjune: no, I started with fedora 2
[19:39:00] rjune: don't yum upgrade like that
[19:39:00] rjune: grab the CDs and use them
[19:40:00] praet: is there upgrade paths from the cd installs?
[19:40:00] praet: or wipe/reinstall a better option
[19:40:00] praet: i think i used atrpms with apt get to install this box.. things have changed a bit it seems
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[19:42:00] Juski: ah well... tea-time (finally)
[19:42:00] psofa: is a new release on the works for that month?
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[19:59:00] rjune: praet: cds have an upgrade path.
[20:00:00] rjune: general consensus in #fedora is to use atrpms as little as possible
[20:01:00] praet: wow. thanks for the info
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[20:03:00] Beirdo: of course it is
[20:04:00] kormoc: Juski, if you dislike gentoo so much, just switch
[20:04:00] Beirdo: the #fedora crowd is anti-atrpms as they have been in a feud for a long time
[20:06:00] laga: Juski: why does coume think i'd want to own a lada?
[20:06:00] Beirdo: because it goes well with you nick
[20:06:00] laga: umm, right.
[20:06:00] Beirdo: and because we all know that Germans love shitty Russian cars
[20:06:00] Beirdo: heheh
[20:07:00] laga: yeah, of course. actually, i wanted a lada niva. ;)
[20:07:00] Beirdo: oooh, even shittier
[20:07:00] laga: hehe
[20:07:00] Beirdo: my cousin had one for a while
[20:07:00] Beirdo: what a lada crap
[20:07:00] laga: well, at least it's not a french car. ;)
[20:08:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[20:08:00] Beirdo: I wouldn't mind a Peugot
[20:09:00] Beirdo: no Renaults please...
[20:09:00] Beirdo: and no Citron... er Citroen :)
[20:10:00] laga: hehe
[20:10:00] Beirdo: too bad Coume ain't here to witness the abuse of French cars
[20:10:00] laga: hehehe
[20:10:00] laga: well, i'm quite satisfied with mine, i just enjoy bashing the french
[20:10:00] Beirdo: of course you do
[20:10:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:11:00] laga: who doesn?T ;)
[20:11:00] Beirdo: the French?
[20:11:00] laga: probably.
[20:12:00] Beirdo: OK, now I need water
[20:12:00] Beirdo: mmmm, dark chocolate
[20:12:00] Beirdo: BRB
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[20:24:00] praet: is there any way to run a vncserver on the "0" monitor
[20:25:00] praet: wait forget that one.. lo priority
[20:26:00] praet: what i really need is to figue out how to open myth recordings dir from a win box
[20:27:00] praet: samba keeps asking for a password with the share that i cant seem to figure out
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[20:32:00] The_Jaymz: my samba is doing that too
[20:32:00] praet: lets figure this out
[20:32:00] The_Jaymz: i give it the pw 2 or 3 times and then cancel....it usually goes through
[20:32:00] praet: besides setting up smb.conf
[20:33:00] praet: hos do yuo set up users etc
[20:33:00] The_Jaymz: i
[20:33:00] praet: smbpassword
[20:33:00] The_Jaymz: i've only done it with webmin
[20:34:00] praet: the mythtv web ?
[20:34:00] The_Jaymz: no, webmin is a web based gui config for samba and lots of other things
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[20:35:00] praet: gotta look that up.. whats your os?
[20:35:00] The_Jaymz: FC4
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[20:36:00] praet: did you set up a netbios name and then connect to \\mythtvbox\
[20:38:00] praet: check this: www.webmin.com/samba-howto.html
[20:38:00] praet: that program can do it all.. i wonder what the conf files end up looking like tho
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: You could possibly check out samba's website and documentation
[20:40:00] Krazylegz: GreyFoxx: Yes, but then his head would explode.
[20:40:00] Krazylegz: As would mine.
[20:41:00] praet: yeah i have and some ideas elude me... cuasing a massive head explosion
[20:41:00] rjune: praet: set the security type to share instead of user
[20:42:00] praet: doesnt share mean you proxy login requests to another server?
[20:43:00] praet: man, i learn more from this channel in one minute than i do talking to my sister for an hour
[20:44:00] rjune: no, it means the passwd is per share, like windows 98 rather then per user
[20:44:00] praet: interesting.. thanks
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[20:57:00] Juski: laga: Lada? I'd have had you done as a Skoda kinda guy ;)
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[20:59:00] Beirdo: nah, I was thinking the old East German car
[21:00:00] Beirdo: what was it again?
[21:00:00] Beirdo: on the tip of my tongue, can't remember it
[21:00:00] laga: the old east german one was a trabi ('trabant')
[21:00:00] Juski: Trabant or something
[21:01:00] Juski: the ones U2 'ecologically' re-used by putting 10,000Watt lights inside for a tour they did
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[21:02:00] Beirdo: Trabant. that's the one
[21:02:00] Beirdo: screw Lada
[21:02:00] laga: hehe
[21:02:00] Beirdo: I saw some old commie cars when I was in Budapest a few years ago
[21:02:00] Juski: nothing wrong with a 206 though.. they're better than frickin' Yaris
[21:03:00] Beirdo: interestingly crappy cars :)
[21:04:00] laga: hehe
[21:05:00] Beirdo: almost busted my ass taking a picture of one
[21:05:00] Beirdo: wet marble very VERY bad
[21:05:00] laga: ;)
[21:05:00] Beirdo: and icy wet marble... EEEK
[21:10:00] Juski: Beirdo: scary.. no staying upright
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[21:10:00] Beirdo: I managed
[21:10:00] Beirdo: but barely
[21:11:00] earthworm: hello all, i'm wondering what input devices people use with mythtv, i am supposing i will need some sort of waving mouse / remote control hybrid, and a wireless keyboard, is that about right?
[21:12:00] Beirdo: ummm
[21:12:00] Beirdo: no
[21:12:00] Chutt: remote's all you need, after initial setup.
[21:12:00] Beirdo: a remote control OR a wireless keyboard
[21:12:00] Beirdo: your choice
[21:12:00] xris: yay, self-eval
[21:13:00] Beirdo: wireless keyboard's way easier (driver wise), but not nearly as sexy
[21:13:00] Juski: or the best of both worlds, maybe: http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1311914.jpg
[21:13:00] earthworm: Beirdo: will you be able to surf the net like that?
[21:13:00] Beirdo: surf? wha?
[21:13:00] Beirdo: mythtv != firefox
[21:13:00] earthworm: look at web pages on it ...
[21:14:00] Beirdo: there is a browser available, but I don't know how many people actively use it
[21:14:00] earthworm: i thought there was a web browsing mythtv module?
[21:14:00] Beirdo: I used it once, like 2 years ago
[21:14:00] Juski: browsing the internet on a TV is something of a painful experience
[21:14:00] Juski: scroll... scroll.. scroll some more
[21:14:00] earthworm: i thought it might be okay with one of those wavey mice things
[21:15:00] Beirdo: I tried it once, then said "BAH, I'll use my laptop to browse"
[21:15:00] earthworm: that Sky remote looks right funky, does that work with mythtv?
[21:15:00] Juski: earthworm: can do, with the right config
[21:16:00] Juski: I _was_ gonna get one, but I've managed to avoid using the keyboard altogether with myth now
[21:16:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:16:00] Beirdo: I only use a keyboard
[21:16:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:16:00] Beirdo: IR one, though
[21:16:00] Beirdo: just think of it as a HUGE remote
[21:17:00] earthworm: i kind of want the thing more to watch films i already have, listen to music and grab pics from my camera etc than for pausing live tv etc, is mythtv okay for that too?
[21:17:00] Juski: mythvideo, mythmusic & probably mythgallery will do all that
[21:18:00] Beirdo: may not be the ideal use of mythtv, but you should be able to use it that way
[21:18:00] Beirdo: to each their own :)
[21:18:00] earthworm: groovy, maybe the mention of browsing makes more sense now, you see we have sky plus already
[21:18:00] Juski: the loading time for mythmusic in 0.18 is ridiculous for big collections of tracks but it's much better in SVN I hear
[21:18:00] Moulinex: When i'm scanning channels i get this on terminal window "DVB#0 WARNING – Unsupported bandwidth parameter." Any hints?
[21:19:00] earthworm: i suppose i am trying to do some of the stuff the xbrick360 does with linux  :)
[21:19:00] Juski: Moulinex: probably the wrong parameter entered in the bandwidth field, or maybe just something the driver reports & is nothing to worry about (google)
[21:20:00] Juski: earthworm: the xbrick360 as you call it does nothing useful _yet_ ;)
[21:20:00] Filip^: finalkly got my myth back online. I had to downgrade my nvidia drivers though. I'm catching snippets of conversation here. Is this what we were talking about?
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[21:20:00] Filip^: o wait, those timestamps were four hours ago!
[21:21:00] Juski: I dunno if they'll ever fool it into running unsigned code.. maybe they will but it'll take a whizz with an SMD rework station to do it
[21:21:00] Moulinex: Juski: ok, i'll try somethig else for bandwith
[21:21:00] earthworm: Juski: so called because the old one looked like a brick and took up half your lounge compared to the PS2  :)
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[21:21:00] Juski: Moulinex: which country are you in?
[21:22:00] Moulinex: Juski: I'm in Finland
[21:22:00] earthworm: okie doke, so can somebody tell me a remote i can buy that works with linux?
[21:23:00] Juski: Moulinex: 8MHz is the one you want
[21:23:00] Moulinex: Juski: ok, thanks
[21:23:00] Juski: if you still get warnings, just ignore them if the scan works... after all warnings are _usually_ just that
[21:24:00] Juski: earthworm: I think even the MCE remote works in Linux... and certainly the ATI remote wonder thing does
[21:25:00] Moulinex: Juski: I have not_so_good indoor antenna, but my digibox can show all channels with that antenna..
[21:25:00] Juski: Moulinex: rule #1 about digiboxes: they tend to be more sensitive than a lot of PC tuners
[21:25:00] earthworm: well i wouldn't wan't to give MS any dosh, so maybe the ATI one is a good bet, can i just buy the ATI thing on its own, or does it come with a graphics card or something?
[21:25:00] Moulinex: Juski: my pc tuner is Hauppauge USB2 NOVA-t
[21:26:00] Juski: Moulinex: you might be ok.. but rather than use mythtv straight away, see if the dvb-utils scan utility works first
[21:26:00] Juski: (might save you some time) ;)
[21:27:00] Juski: earthworm: the remote wonder can be bought on its own
[21:27:00] earthworm: groovy
[21:29:00] Moulinex: Juski: ok i'll try. btw. When i'm scanning progressbar is not moving at all in mythtv-setup
[21:30:00] Juski: Moulinex: it can sometimes take a while to do a complete scan
[21:31:00] Juski: and before even going into mythtv I'd have advised you to test the DVB hardware first.. just to make sure your drivers are ok
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[21:31:00] Moulinex: Juski: It will stop scanning and this appears in terminal window "DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!"
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[21:32:00] Moulinex: Juski: Driver seems to load ok, or at least light appears in tuner when i plug it in my pc.
[21:33:00] Moulinex: Juski: ..and mythtv setup can see my tuner
[21:33:00] Juski: maybe you don't have enough signal then
[21:33:00] Moulinex: Juski: Yes, could be :)
[21:33:00] Juski: you can't beat a good proper antenna :)
[21:34:00] Juski: indoor ones suck really badly
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[21:40:00] earthworm: this 'ere remote wonder thing looks pretty groovy
[21:40:00] earthworm: Juski: you actually got one?
[21:42:00] Juski: earthworm: nope. I won't have anything made by ATI in this house
[21:42:00] Juski: not after they ripped me off with their All-In-'Wonder' rubbish
[21:42:00] earthworm: hehe
[21:42:00] Juski: wonder? wonder why it never worked like they said it would
[21:43:00] earthworm: maybe i should try the logitech one, they have been good to me with mouse/keyboard stuff
[21:43:00] Juski: plenty of howto guides for the ATI thang tho
[21:43:00] earthworm: Juski: lol
[21:43:00] earthworm: that's what we like
[21:43:00] earthworm: pioneering such things on linux is never going to be fun
[21:44:00] Juski: ugh.. not the logitech harmony thingy... still I bet those efforts have enough buttons for every function even in mythtv
[21:48:00] Juski: right I'm off to do some reading. laters folks
[21:49:00] earthworm: cheers mate
[21:49:00] earthworm: thanks for shopping tips  :)
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[21:51:00] Chutt: my harmony 880 rocks.
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[22:10:00] xris: Chutt: I just can't justify $200 for a remote. heh.
[22:11:00] psofa: anyone here familiar with lirc?
[22:11:00] psofa: i have an ir dongle that came with my skystar2
[22:12:00] psofa: the card's devs have included drivers for winlirc
[22:12:00] psofa: but i dont know which driver to choose for lirc
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[22:21:00] Chutt: xris, $170 or so for mine
[22:21:00] Chutt: and, one very easy to use remote for everything made it worth it :p
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[22:22:00] Juski: and deny yourself the 'fun' of re-programming a JP1 remote? pah.. you dunno what you're missing ;)
[22:23:00] Chutt: took about 15 minutes to get the harmony working perfectly with everything
[22:23:00] mishehu: the harmony is in harmony with everything
[22:23:00] Chutt: projector, receiver, dvd, vcr, myth
[22:23:00] mofu: lirc or IR keyboard for your mythbox?
[22:24:00] Juski: still – has all the benefits of a Pronto without any of the snags I suppose
[22:24:00] Chutt: even had a 'mythtv' component type, with settings that match the sample lircrc for the pvr-250
[22:24:00] Chutt: my old universal remote wouldn't learn the rc5 codes from the hauppauge remote
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[22:25:00] ** poop orders a dual-layer burner and an enclosure **
[22:25:00] Juski: my 'one for all' wouldn't learn any new tricks either til I sorted it with a JP1 cable.. it's one powerful little remote for not much money, that
[22:26:00] Juski: not got enough gear to need macros, and I don't ever plan to have. Being able to turn on the frontend with the remote is the next job.. and that needs the services of a PIC
[22:26:00] xris: Chutt: wouldn't work for me, unfortunately... my Dish receiver is RF
[22:26:00] mofu: i have a RS 15–2104 JP1'd to work with IR Keyboard receiver
[22:26:00] Chutt: they have an rf version now, but it's more expensive
[22:26:00] Juski: yeh the 8900 or something
[22:27:00] Chutt: macros are necessary with the projector, since i'm using multiple inputs on both that and the receiver.
[22:27:00] Chutt: ie, most things use the component in, but myth uses the hdmi input, and my receiver doesn't switch hdmi
[22:28:00] Chutt: but the harmony takes care of all that automatically :p
[22:28:00] Juski: time to call it a day I think.. knackered.. night all
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[22:33:00] poop: Chutt: Happen to know what kind of serial cable you need for a projector?
[22:34:00] ** poop is making a cable run **
[22:34:00] SPRNTRL^: is there support for IEEE1394 to capture transport streams under mythtv?
[22:34:00] poop: SPRNTRL^: yes, but it's flaky
[22:34:00] SPRNTRL^: flaky as in?
[22:35:00] Chutt: nope
[22:35:00] SPRNTRL^: it doesnt work with all hardware... or with it only working sometimes
[22:35:00] psofa: Chutt, do u have the harmony?
[22:36:00] psofa: oh i see you do
[22:36:00] psofa: is it as good as it looks?
[22:36:00] Chutt: yup
[22:36:00] psofa: and most importantly can you programm it exactly as you want?
[22:36:00] Chutt: depends on how you define 'program'
[22:37:00] psofa: i mean
[22:37:00] psofa: if my remote isnt on the database
[22:37:00] Chutt: yes, you can add remotes
[22:37:00] Chutt: but it very likely is in there
[22:37:00] psofa: nice :D
[22:37:00] Chutt: it's setup through a web app
[22:37:00] psofa: im thinking of buying the 70$ version
[22:38:00] Chutt: so the database isn't limited to what can be stored on the remote itself
[22:38:00] psofa: looks sleek
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[22:53:00] MrFluffy: Hi, is there anyone here using xbmcmythtv as the frontend?
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[23:01:00] praet: MrFluffy a lot of people have success with xbox as a front
[23:02:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: so mythtv isn't muting my bttv card on exit... is there an option for that i'm missing somewhere?
[23:03:00] MrFluffy: praet, I run mythfrontend under linux, but its a dog to be honest
[23:03:00] MrFluffy: Im looking for somoene who uses xbmcmythtv as Im told its a much faster performer
[23:04:00] MrFluffy: in fact, I have it set up, but I cant seem to get livetv to work in it..
[23:04:00] praet: Ginsu_Squirrel do you have the line in set to mute and record?
[23:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: praet: yup
[23:05:00] MrFluffy: praet, Its a dog under xebian or xfedora, as the xbox only has 64mb of ram and by the time its shoehorned fedora into that...
[23:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: like tvtime mutes "the card" on quit
[23:05:00] MrFluffy: before anyone thinks im having a go at mythfrontend in general :)
[23:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: and myth doesnt so when i use skype the otehr peroson can hear it
[23:05:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: quite loud i think
[23:06:00] praet: MrFluffy i think for live tv you have to share out /cache/cache
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[23:06:00] praet: Ginsu_Squirrel oes skype have a feature to mute other sounds while connected?
[23:07:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: aparently not
[23:07:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: i think the linein is sneaking thru somehow
[23:07:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: its not really a big deal, just an annoyance
[23:08:00] MrFluffy: praet, I have my location where the .nuv ringbuffers are created shared out, and ive seen livetv once, for about a second.. maybe its just broken
[23:09:00] MrFluffy: I was hoping to find someone who could say yes or no to livetv working :)
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[23:29:00] robthebob: hi guys, was just wondering why the mythvideo listings view is sorted by the filename (not the full path) so that directories appear completely out of order
[23:29:00] robthebob: any way around this?
[23:29:00] robthebob: such as sorting by full pathname
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[23:52:00] h3r13: Hey, can anyone here answer a question about support for a TV tuner card?
[23:53:00] h3r13: I have a GeForce FX 5200 Personal Cinema card in my current HTPC running wind0ze, and wanted to make the switch to MythTV. The documentation doesnt list these cards as supported or not supported.
[23:54:00] GreyFoxx: It has a tuner on it ?
[23:54:00] h3r13: Its similar to an all in wonder, but with an nvidia chip. I know that the All in wonders arent supported though.
[23:54:00] h3r13: Yea it does.
[23:54:00] GreyFoxx: I'd be suprised if it was supported under Linux
[23:54:00] h3r13: It has a TV Tuner and it has A/V in and out.
[23:55:00] GreyFoxx: I'm seen talk on the nvidia forumns asking for support for it, so I doubt it works
[23:56:00] h3r13: I guess I can always add a PCI tuner if it doesnt work. Any cheap ones that work fairly well?
[23:56:00] GreyFoxx: standard def tv ?
[23:56:00] h3r13: Yea, thats fine.
[23:57:00] GreyFoxx: The pvr series is your best bet, cheapest being the pvr 150
[23:59:00] h3r13: Thanks for the help! I will try to get the nvidia card to work, but when it fails (as im sure it will), I will give the PVR a try.

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