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| [00:02:00] | dgilmore: | dhofstra: who owns your mythfrontend binary? |
| [00:02:00] | dgilmore: | if its not root make it root |
| [00:03:00] | dhofstra: | dunno, havta check |
| [00:03:00] | dhofstra: | this is ubuntu where there is no root user |
| [00:03:00] | dhofstra: | BTW |
| [00:03:00] | psofa: | scan for channels is grayed out .ive set up input capture and video sources and i still cant scan for channels.Im trying to setup tv on a bttv card |
| [00:04:00] | psofa: | it worked fine in the past with a dvb card |
| [00:05:00] | dhofstra: | user:root group:root |
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| [00:08:00] | psofa: | what did i forgot to do? |
| [00:09:00] | dhofstra: | had a loud humming coming from the tv also, remembered an older amp manual I had said you could break a ground loop noise by using a 2 prong adapter... put a 2 pronger on the pc, and humming is silent.. |
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| [00:15:00] | psofa: | so noone knows the procedure to get a tvtuner installed on mythtv?i just need the steps incase i forgot something |
| [00:17:00] | dev-: | psofa: whenver i added new tuners to my boxes, twice, i just dropped the card in, ivtv saw it, went into mythtv-setup, assigned the input connection for it, and that was it |
| [00:17:00] | dev-: | fy, they were the same tuners |
| [00:18:00] | dev-: | 4x pvr 250's |
| [00:18:00] | psofa: | you are sick :D |
| [00:18:00] | psofa: | the tuner works fine with tvtime |
| [00:18:00] | dev-: | sick, maybe.. have a girlfriend that watches too much tv, definitely ;) |
| [00:19:00] | psofa: | lol |
| [00:19:00] | dev-: | at least now i always have a tuner free ;p |
| [00:19:00] | dev-: | did you go into mythtv-setup and into input-connections to do all that jazz? |
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| [00:24:00] | psofa: | i run mythtv-setup |
| [00:24:00] | psofa: | created the capture card |
| [00:24:00] | psofa: | the video source |
| [00:24:00] | psofa: | and linked them with the input |
| [00:24:00] | psofa: | when i go into channels |
| [00:24:00] | dev-: | that should be it then.. |
| [00:25:00] | psofa: | the buttons are grayed out |
| [00:25:00] | psofa: | ? |
| [00:25:00] | dev-: | hrm |
| [00:25:00] | psofa: | should i do mythfilldatabase or something before going into the channels? |
| [00:25:00] | dev-: | only if this is a new backend you're setting up |
| [00:25:00] | dev-: | adding a second capture card, no its not needed |
| [00:25:00] | psofa: | consider it a new |
| [00:25:00] | dev-: | what happens if you load up mythfrontend and go into system status? does it show 2 encoders? |
| [00:26:00] | psofa: | ive removed the old capture card |
| [00:26:00] | dev-: | oh, yeah, if its new and you havent filled the database with guide info, yeah, you'd need to run mythfilldatabase |
| [00:27:00] | psofa: | but i dont want any guide info |
| [00:27:00] | dev-: | oh? |
| [00:27:00] | psofa: | it isnt available for my country |
| [00:27:00] | dev-: | doh |
| [00:27:00] | psofa: | just want to tune into the channels |
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| [00:28:00] | dev-: | what happens in mythfrontend? |
| [00:29:00] | psofa: | i see tv :D |
| [00:29:00] | psofa: | but thats bcause its tuned already |
| [00:29:00] | psofa: | from tvtime |
| [00:29:00] | psofa: | cant change channels obviously |
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| [00:34:00] | psofa: | damn |
| [00:35:00] | psofa: | why scan for channels is still grayed out |
| [00:36:00] | dev-: | im not sure, i live in the us and use datadirect ;/ |
| [00:37:00] | psofa: | it does have any connection to that |
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| [00:37:00] | Ediehow: | hi |
| [00:37:00] | Ediehow: | what happened to nuvexport page? |
| [00:38:00] | dev-: | psofa: after i setup datadirect, i ran mythfilldatabase, then in mythtv-setup channels was auto-populated.. never had to do anmything in it.. |
| [00:38:00] | psofa: | oh |
| [00:38:00] | dev-: | ;\ |
| [00:39:00] | psofa: | then maybe mythtv cant really scan for regular antenna tv channels? |
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| [00:40:00] | |Slurpee|: | dev .... |
| [00:40:00] | |Slurpee|: | im still confused |
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| [00:42:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | omg i'm going insane |
| [00:42:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | i told mythtv to always show captions |
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| [00:42:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | and its driving me nuts, and now i cant find the option again to turn it off |
| [00:42:00] | mofu: | anyone using kernel 2.6.13 w/ Nvidia drivers?? I think I used this combo before, just wanted to double check, looks like 2.6.14 broke the Nvidia source compile |
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| [00:42:00] | dev-: | Ginsu_Squirrel: haha |
| [00:42:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | dev-: its not funny |
| [00:43:00] | dev-: | yeah i bet.. but its funny to hear |
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| [00:43:00] | dev-: | Ginsu_Squirrel: my first guess would be in the playback setup menu under setup->tv settings |
| [00:44:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | omg i swear |
| [00:44:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | i looked there a million times |
| [00:44:00] | dev-: | mofu: 2.6.14 broke alot of things apparently.. i couldnt compile lirc with it because of some changes they made to algo_bit, had to revert to 2.6.13, but apparently they applied the patch to an -rX whatever, so now its ok.. |
| [00:44:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | now i see it |
| [00:44:00] | dev-: | Ginsu_Squirrel: nice hehe |
| [00:44:00] | mofu: | dev-: thanks, |
| [00:44:00] | dev-: | mofu: but that box, useing a radeon9500, not nvidia.. |
| [00:45:00] | mofu: | ok |
| [00:45:00] | dev-: | have i mentioned ati sux? |
| [00:45:00] | dev-: | =] |
| [00:45:00] | mofu: | lol |
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| [00:45:00] | webbnetsys: | Greetings everybody!! |
| [00:45:00] | cosmo_: | indeed it does |
| [00:45:00] | dev-: | all my other boxes are useing 2.6.13 kernels, sorry.. |
| [00:46:00] | psofa: | anyone with a regular antenna tv that knows if mythtv can autoscan the channels? |
| [00:46:00] | webbnetsys: | Anybody know how to make MythTV get on both the monitor AND tv?? |
| [00:46:00] | webbnetsys: | I have a Haupage 350 w/ framebuffering running. |
| [00:46:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | psofa: i was having problems getting taht optino to enable... i had to start and quit the setup program a few times... it was wierd... |
| [00:46:00] | webbnetsys: | I finally got ivtv to be installed correctly. |
| [00:46:00] | dev-: | i dont think thats possible webbnetsys... |
| [00:47:00] | webbnetsys: | And now I can record from cable |
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| [00:47:00] | webbnetsys: | And display it as well. |
| [00:47:00] | dev-: | since they're seperate devices.. you could have 2 x sessions with 2 mythfrontends running, but cloneing the display, no, i dont think so.. |
| [00:47:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: You want to clone the X display? |
| [00:47:00] | dev-: | could be wrong.. |
| [00:47:00] | webbnetsys: | Yes. |
| [00:47:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: Yes. |
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| [00:47:00] | dev-: | Krazylegz: can you clone between 2 physically different cards? |
| [00:47:00] | webbnetsys: | But in the latest ivtv it doesn't include ivtvdev module. |
| [00:48:00] | webbnetsys: | So has ivtvdev been deprecated?? |
| [00:48:00] | dev-: | with nvidia its np.. but ive never tried with different hwardware |
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| [00:48:00] | Krazylegz: | dev-: I think so, yeah. Should be in the X config. |
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| [00:48:00] | Krazylegz: | dev-: I tried to do it a few months ago. I didn't get it working, but I didn't try too hard. |
| [00:48:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [00:49:00] | webbnetsys: | I think I have my xorg.conf files set up correctly but since the ivtvdev module isn't being loaded, I don't think it is working correctly. |
| [00:49:00] | dev-: | 2 x sessions and 2 mythfrontends is farely easy, but thats obviously not cloned |
| [00:49:00] | webbnetsys: | How do you guys have your systems setup?? |
| [00:49:00] | webbnetsys: | One monitor in addition to the TV?? TV only?? what? |
| [00:50:00] | webbnetsys: | TV running on one session, monitor on another Xsession?? |
| [00:50:00] | dev-: | i have 2 backends, 1 slave 1 master, 2 frontends connected directly to the tv, laptop that runs mythfrontend over 802.11g, and a gentoo desktop i run mythtv on (dual head) |
| [00:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Mine is TV-only. |
| [00:50:00] | Ediehow: | nuvexport's page died:O |
| [00:51:00] | dev-: | the boxes connected to the tvs are tv only |
| [00:51:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: So how does the MythTV get exported to the cards output?? |
| [00:51:00] | dev-: | 1 ati (DIE DIE DIE DIE) and 1 nvidia |
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| [00:51:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: How is your xorg.conf set up?? Are you using frame buffering?? |
| [00:52:00] | dev-: | dont use it, xsession starts up blackbox then mythfrontend |
| [00:52:00] | xris: | Ediehow: huh? thought I fixed it last night |
| [00:52:00] | dev-: | i have 4x 250's so the ati is one output, and an nvidia the other. dont have any 350's |
| [00:52:00] | xris: | odd, apache crashed |
| [00:52:00] | Ediehow: | ok, it works again |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | can i get some rpms for nuvexport? |
| [00:53:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: Huh?? xsession starts up. how is your TV hooked up then?? |
| [00:53:00] | Ediehow: | You don't have permission to access /nuvexport/ on this server. |
| [00:53:00] | dev-: | svideo from a radeon9500, and svideo from a gf4 mx |
| [00:53:00] | webbnetsys: | I am still confused, don't you need to export out through your card?? |
| [00:53:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: The TV is my only display. |
| [00:53:00] | NightBird: | hey, if you're useing a pvr-350's tv-out, would you still need a video card? |
| [00:53:00] | webbnetsys: | So your hooking up your TV as if it was a monitor through Svideo. |
| [00:54:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: yes |
| [00:54:00] | webbnetsys: | I just have a cheezy video card. How can I get it working then. |
| [00:54:00] | psofa: | anybody that knows if mythtv is capable of scanning for regular antenna tv channels or do i have to manually insert them? |
| [00:54:00] | xris: | blech... guess I never got trac back up and running again |
| [00:54:00] | webbnetsys: | Can't I export the extire Xsession through the 350 Svideo?? |
| [00:54:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: Well, I use what is basically an ATI 9100 tvout. |
| [00:55:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: Are you using a single video card to export, then?? |
| [00:55:00] | webbnetsys: | It has an SVideo on there?? |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | webbnetsys: pretty sure the 350 only works with mpeg data |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | needs all kinds of wrappers to get it working properly |
| [00:55:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: Yes. No SVideo, just composite. |
| [00:55:00] | webbnetsys: | xris: I am forcing it to go through there. |
| [00:56:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: composite is the coax cable correct?? That is where my cable connection is coming in on the Haupage card. |
| [00:56:00] | webbnetsys: | The ONLY SVideo is on the Haupage as well. |
| [00:56:00] | dev-: | composite is red/green/blue |
| [00:56:00] | webbnetsys: | The ONLY monitor connection is on my cheezy video card. Only has videe for monitor. |
| [00:57:00] | webbnetsys: | red/green/blue?? I don't see anything like that on the back. |
| [00:57:00] | Ediehow: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ |
| [00:57:00] | Ediehow: | won't work |
| [00:57:00] | dev-: | he's useing a different video card then you |
| [00:57:00] | webbnetsys: | Theire is one connection that allows you go to SVideo or VGA cables. |
| [00:57:00] | xris: | Ediehow: I know. I upgraded the machine yesterday and something f'd up and wiped the drive by accident.. I forgot to reinstall trac |
| [00:57:00] | Ediehow: | oh ok |
| [00:57:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: I am NOT using the PVR-350 output. |
| [00:58:00] | webbnetsys: | I currently have it hooked up going through the VGA cables. |
| [00:58:00] | xris: | I should say... ubuntu erased the partition even when it said it wouldn't |
| [00:58:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: So your just using another video card to go to your TV? If that is the case, how do you get the audio go go over as well?? |
| [00:59:00] | xris: | blech. now I need to figure out how to convert sqlite2 to sqlite3 database |
| [00:59:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: what would video have to do with audio? still comes out your soundcard regardless of how you ouput video.. |
| [00:59:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: and if you are using the other video card to show your video stuff, isn't it slower?? |
| [00:59:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: Yes, another video card. I get the audio to go through the sound card. |
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| [01:00:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: It is slower for MPEG2 content because the PVR-350 has a hardware decoder. However, for everything else it is faster and more flexible, and easier to setup. |
| [01:00:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: Showing the recordings, the sound and video are currently going through the Haupage 350. And I can hear the audio through the TV. |
| [01:00:00] | poop: | --enable-xvmc-pro enable XvMC for the unichrome pro (NOT unichrome) chipset |
| [01:00:00] | poop: | Hey, I have one of those on-board |
| [01:00:00] | poop: | Of course I had to disable it because the drivers didn't work |
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| [01:01:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: oh, didnt know the 350 had audio out on it.. |
| [01:01:00] | webbnetsys: | Crap, so what is a good cheap video card that I can get that has the VGA out. |
| [01:01:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: It has the VGA cables that provides it. |
| [01:02:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: so I am wanting ALL the video/audio to go out through it. Currenly, I can watch TV, and watch recordings. But the MythTV screen is still on the monitor. |
| [01:03:00] | dev-: | webbnetsys: look into x session cloning, if it can be done, you should be able to find a writeup on it |
| [01:03:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: So you don't have any problems with the audio lining up with the video then?? What sound daemon are you using?? |
| [01:03:00] | xris: | Ediehow: fixed |
| [01:03:00] | Ediehow: | thx |
| [01:03:00] | webbnetsys: | I would prefer to use ALSA. I hope that is what should be on there. |
| [01:04:00] | Ediehow: | nuvexport-0.2–0.20051118.svn.src.rpm 18-Nov is that recent? |
| [01:04:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: No, no problems with audio video sync. |
| [01:07:00] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport — that's the latest |
| [01:08:00] | Krazylegz: | webbnetsys: Yes, I use alsa. |
| [01:10:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: The problem with Xsession cloning is that the latest driver module that is supposed to come with ivtv doesn't |
| [01:10:00] | psofa: | i found that .http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tv.xmltv.devel/5575 how do i execute the script? |
| [01:11:00] | webbnetsys: | dev-: It is ivtvdev?? It is supposed to be loaded at boottime in the xorg.conf file |
| [01:11:00] | webbnetsys: | Krazylegz: what version of ivtv are you using?? 4.0?? |
| [01:12:00] | Krazylegz: | 0.1.9. |
| [01:12:00] | Krazylegz: | It doesn't matter though, since I only use the input side of the PVR-350. |
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| [01:16:00] | psofa: | could someone pls explain to me how will i see antenna tv channels? do i need to download listings first? i just want to tune to the channels.can i import tvtime lists or xawtv lists? |
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| [01:18:00] | mofu: | psofa: U.S? |
| [01:18:00] | webbnetsys: | psofa: In myth video setup somewhere, you specify us-bcast or us-cable. |
| [01:18:00] | webbnetsys: | You set it to us-bcast. |
| [01:19:00] | psofa: | greece :( |
| [01:19:00] | webbnetsys: | just as long as your IN the us. Ha! |
| [01:19:00] | mofu: | plus set up a broadcast list on zap2it |
| [01:19:00] | mofu: | never mind |
| [01:20:00] | psofa: | as i said i found this. but i hoave no idea how to use it.its a grabber for greecehttp://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tv.xmltv.devel/5575 |
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| [01:25:00] | psofa: | cant i do this manually with an external program? |
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| [01:27:00] | NightBird: | weee I'm out |
| [01:28:00] | weizur: | anyone know what options msp3400 once=1 simple=1 in the ivtv module does? |
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| [01:29:00] | mofu: | you real don't need any options for ivtv if you have the latest |
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| [01:32:00] | weizur: | what version is the latest? |
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| [01:32:00] | a1fa|64: | hey |
| [01:32:00] | a1fa|64: | survivor will go for 30 minutes pas the schedule |
| [01:32:00] | a1fa|64: | how do i tell mythtv to adjust? |
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| [01:35:00] | webbnetsys: | Found it everybody. |
| [01:35:00] | a1fa|64: | dudee |
| [01:35:00] | webbnetsys: | The Haupage 350 has it's own drivers: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/xdriver/0.10.6/ivtvdev_drv.o.bz2 |
| [01:35:00] | webbnetsys: | Go figure. |
| [01:35:00] | a1fa|64: | my database is down |
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| [01:36:00] | a1fa|64: | Fatal Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/programs.php, line 138: |
| [01:36:00] | a1fa|64: | SQL Error: Got error 127 from storage engine |
| [01:37:00] | a1fa|64: | wtf |
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| [01:37:00] | a1fa|64: | the database got corrupted looks like it |
| [01:37:00] | a1fa|64: | ;( |
| [01:37:00] | a1fa|64: | i am going to re-do my box |
| [01:37:00] | a1fa|64: | seriously |
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| [01:40:00] | weizur: | nice i have video now, somehow that option snuck in there to screw me over |
| [01:40:00] | psofa: | ffs someone must know how do i import the channels manually into mythtv |
| [01:40:00] | weizur: | anyone else get a slim blue line at the bottom of their screen while watching tv? |
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| [01:41:00] | a1fa|64: | hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| [01:41:00] | a1fa|64: | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| [01:43:00] | poop: | (crap) |
| [01:43:00] | poop: | wiezur: I used to get a line on the top, but you can overscan it away |
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| [01:46:00] | Linx: | whats a good card for doing output to tv? |
| [01:46:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | it used to work perfectly, but then all of a sudden it stopped |
| [01:46:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | my backend has all of a sudden started giving errors when it starts to transcode and commercial flag. |
| [01:46:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | it used to work perfectly, but then all of a sudden it stopped |
| [01:46:00] | a1fa|64: | good for u |
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| [01:50:00] | mofu: | JoeyJoeJo: what did you change? Did you update your system? |
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| [01:53:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | I don't think I changed anything, but I'll look |
| [01:55:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | in fact I did update my system. I run gentoo, so I did an emerge world |
| [01:58:00] | mofu: | tsk, tsk, updating a working system for anything but a security problem is generally a bad idea |
| [01:58:00] | mofu: | good luck figuring out what you broke |
| [01:58:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | now I know, and knowing is.. well, you know |
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| [01:59:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | I have a list of things that were updated, so hopefully it won't be too hard |
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| [02:02:00] | psofa: | ok im desperate.How do i manually setup the god damn channels.THere is no xml listings for greece.Cant mythtv autotune like tvtime does? |
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| [02:09:00] | mofu: | psofa: http://tassos.blogentis.net/2004/11/14/xmltv-grabber-for-greece |
| [02:10:00] | mofu: | the wonders of google . . . . |
| [02:17:00] | psofa: | oh yes |
| [02:17:00] | psofa: | and i have said i found that |
| [02:18:00] | psofa: | and i dont know how to use it |
| [02:18:00] | psofa: | and i dont know if that contains the channel frequencies too |
| [02:18:00] | psofa: | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tv.xmltv.devel/5575 |
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| [02:19:00] | psofa: | and im still asking: can mythtv autoscan antenna channels? |
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| [02:29:00] | tanq: | heh |
| [02:29:00] | tanq: | and i just found a screen scrape tool for greece. |
| [02:30:00] | tanq: | if psofa comes back.. http://tassos.blogentis.net/2004/11/14/xmltv-grabber-for-greece |
| [02:30:00] | tanq: | oh nm.. i see mofu already found it |
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| [02:30:00] | tanq: | hah.. that guy doesnt google apparently |
| [02:31:00] | tanq: | and i don't read .. |
| [02:31:00] | dhofstra: | ever see the site justf*ckinggoogleit ? |
| [02:31:00] | tanq: | because now i see where he said he already found it |
| [02:31:00] | dhofstra: | pretty cool for sending links |
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| [02:35:00] | a1fa|64: | omfg |
| [02:35:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [02:35:00] | a1fa|64: | who is going home? |
| [02:35:00] | dev-: | far too many ppl come in here before consulting the good ole rtfm addage (which includes google) |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | no |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | who is going home in survivor |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | that girl started crying |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | hahahaha |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | i cant believe it |
| [02:36:00] | a1fa|64: | :p |
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| [02:37:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | is there any way to easily have 2 different channel lists and switch between the two? |
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| [02:38:00] | a1fa|64: | anybody watching survivor? |
| [02:38:00] | dhofstra: | i do |
| [02:38:00] | dev-: | that show got old a few ytears ago |
| [02:38:00] | a1fa|64: | wanna bet who goes home? |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | paypal bets :P |
| [02:39:00] | eidolon: | who the fuck cares. |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | hhee |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | it is funy |
| [02:39:00] | eidolon: | it's assinine. |
| [02:39:00] | dev-: | it is gay |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | that beehotch started crying |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | it is gay |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | the gay guy wins it tho |
| [02:39:00] | eidolon: | do you have anything to add to #mythtv conversatio or are you just gonna blather? |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | blathhaa :p |
| [02:39:00] | a1fa|64: | n0 d00d.. |
| [02:40:00] | a1fa|64: | my disk has been crapping out on me |
| [02:40:00] | a1fa|64: | messing up the sql |
| [02:41:00] | a1fa|64: | what table cell contains "record xs before the actual show starts" |
| [02:41:00] | dev-: | that mean you're gonna be asking for tech support again soon? |
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| [02:42:00] | a1fa|64: | ? |
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| [02:42:00] | a1fa|64: | settings.what? |
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| [02:44:00] | a1fa|64: | mythweb really needs to support myth configuration |
| [02:45:00] | dev-: | learn php and make it so! |
| [02:45:00] | a1fa|64: | Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 64 bytes) |
| [02:45:00] | a1fa|64: | hm.. looks like mythweb craps out on those predefined searches |
| [02:45:00] | a1fa|64: | i know php |
| [02:46:00] | dev-: | well then there you go, i think you should write a patch — that would be beneficial to everyone |
| [02:47:00] | a1fa|64: | i dont think you want my php |
| [02:47:00] | weizur: | rm: cannot remove directory `lirc-ledxmit/': Is a directory |
| [02:47:00] | weizur: | wth is that error lol |
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| [02:47:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [02:47:00] | a1fa|64: | rm -f |
| [02:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | rmdir to remove directories, rm to remove files |
| [02:47:00] | a1fa|64: | you cant remove a directory :P |
| [02:47:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | is it possible to switch what video source is associated with an input connection easily on the fly? |
| [02:47:00] | weizur: | ah lol why does rm provide a directory option then :P |
| [02:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | gin |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ginsu_Squirrel: Nope |
| [02:48:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | damn |
| [02:48:00] | a1fa|64: | rm -d :p |
| [02:49:00] | a1fa|64: | Ginsu_Squirrel: i want that option too.. i want to hookup my dvd player into video source |
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| [02:49:00] | poop: | rm -rf / |
| [02:49:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [02:49:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | i was thinkin more like having 2 seperate channel lists |
| [02:49:00] | a1fa|64: | poop: that wouldnt work |
| [02:49:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | and being abel to switch between the 2 |
| [02:49:00] | a1fa|64: | bcos you would erase rm |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | and it would stop removing |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: It would work |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | no.. it would just messup the system |
| [02:50:00] | dev-: | thats why you need & |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | it wouldnt erase it all |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | ;P |
| [02:50:00] | dev-: | rm -rf / & — is the way to do it |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: Yes it would |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | you need to create a ram disk |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | get a clue |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: i've tried it before |
| [02:50:00] | mofu: | dev-: don't be evil . . . . |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | it craps out, once it erases /bin |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | the app running in ram doesn't require the file to still exist on disk |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | I |
| [02:50:00] | dev-: | not if you background it |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | 've done it to many machines |
| [02:50:00] | a1fa|64: | right |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | you neeed to background it |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | <dev-> rm -rf / & — is the way to do it |
| [02:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, you don't :) |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | hm.. let me try |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | nope |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | it crapped out :p |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | oh shit, |
| [02:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | whatever :) |
| [02:51:00] | a1fa|64: | hahaha, you really thought i did it? |
| [02:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [02:52:00] | dev-: | only wished you did |
| [02:52:00] | poop: | a1fa: It might bomb out when you hit libc |
| [02:52:00] | a1fa|64: | poop: it bombs out at some point of time |
| [02:52:00] | a1fa|64: | i use dd for all my shrubbing needs |
| [02:53:00] | a1fa|64: | and deeds :P |
| [02:53:00] | poop: | or would it, really, since libc would have an open file descriptor |
| [02:53:00] | dev-: | great, a l33t scriptkiddie in the channel |
| [02:53:00] | a1fa|64: | dev-: where? i got a gun |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | the main problem is going to be other processes starting to freak out as /dev and other entries disappear |
| [02:53:00] | dev-: | quick! point it at your head and pull the trigger! |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | but by then the damage is done |
| [02:53:00] | poop: | sure, but we just want rm to finish |
| [02:53:00] | a1fa|64: | ok.. n33d t0 f1n15h 5urv1v0r |
| [02:54:00] | a1fa|64: | 31337 |
| [02:54:00] | a1fa|64: | 3bcaa15415a17ea9f184756da22df6cf |
| [02:54:00] | poop: | svn doesn't like gcc-3.3 |
| [02:54:00] | a1fa|64: | md5sum :P crack it while i finish survivor |
| [02:54:00] | a1fa|64: | s......d | md5sum |
| [02:56:00] | a1fa|64: | hehe ;P |
| [02:56:00] | dev-: | id rather have an aenima |
| [02:56:00] | a1fa|64: | dev-: crapZ! i locked my rear wheel on my bike today.. it was fun when i released the break |
| [02:57:00] | dev-: | too bad you didnt break some fingers |
| [02:58:00] | a1fa|64: | nah dude :P |
| [02:58:00] | a1fa|64: | it was my boys that got hurt |
| [02:58:00] | a1fa|64: | i bumped them against the gas tank |
| [02:58:00] | a1fa|64: | ouch |
| [02:58:00] | eidolon: | hey! GreyFoxx isup. |
| [02:58:00] | a1fa|64: | not once but 4 times ;P |
| [03:06:00] | weizur: | anyone know how i can figure out which com port i have my ir blaster attached to? |
| [03:07:00] | mofu: | dmesg? |
| [03:08:00] | mofu: | would think it would mention a device on a com port |
| [03:08:00] | weizur: | with ttyS in it? |
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| [03:11:00] | phoner: | does mythbackend/mythfrontend have to be installed suid root to use priority threads? |
| [03:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a frontend thing, and yes. Either suid root, or run as root |
| [03:12:00] | kahuna_: | Hi, when making a modeline for my vidcard TV-out what refresh rate should I use? 60? |
| [03:13:00] | mofu: | as high as the monitor will take |
| [03:14:00] | kahuna_: | Hmm. What's safe for a standard TV? |
| [03:14:00] | mofu: | 60 |
| [03:14:00] | mofu: | for an SD tv? |
| [03:14:00] | kahuna_: | yup |
| [03:15:00] | mofu: | just use standard 640x480, should be fine |
| [03:15:00] | kahuna_: | At least until christmas I hope :) |
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| [03:16:00] | mofu: | most video cards will convert 800x600 to tv as well |
| [03:17:00] | mofu: | modelines are only needed when you use dvi/vga/component at HD resolutions |
| [03:18:00] | kahuna_: | My goal is to avoid scaling with the TV-out chip to get the best picture possible |
| [03:19:00] | mofu: | to avoid scaling you use 640x480 |
| [03:19:00] | mofu: | the Myth GUI prefers 800x600 or better though I think |
| [03:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | 800x600 is Myth's default res |
| [03:20:00] | kahuna_: | I'm using 640x480. My picture is a bit fuzzy though. |
| [03:20:00] | kahuna_: | I think it's because of my ATI card. I'm thinking of installing an Nvidia PCI card. The ATI is just too much trouble. |
| [03:21:00] | kahuna_: | The drivers suck, the support sucks, and ATI has pretty much indicated that they will never support DRI in linux for my specific card. |
| [03:22:00] | ** Cardoe just got an Nvidia GeForce MX today ** | |
| [03:22:00] | Cardoe: | 4 |
| [03:22:00] | poop: | If it's not the latest $400 model what do they care? |
| [03:22:00] | poop: | Cardoe: dumpster? |
| [03:22:00] | Cardoe: | nah |
| [03:22:00] | Cardoe: | $30 |
| [03:23:00] | Cardoe: | I bought it retail |
| [03:23:00] | kahuna_: | I'm thinking about a FX5200. Are those pretty good? |
| [03:23:00] | Cardoe: | because I wanted to test if it works for my system |
| [03:23:00] | Cardoe: | a ppc board |
| [03:23:00] | Cardoe: | that way I can return it |
| [03:26:00] | weizur: | what is the command to kill a process anyone? |
| [03:26:00] | kahuna_: | kill |
| [03:26:00] | mofu: | by name or by pid? |
| [03:26:00] | weizur: | pid |
| [03:26:00] | kahuna_: | zkill <pid> |
| [03:26:00] | Cardoe: | killall <name> |
| [03:26:00] | Cardoe: | kill <pid> |
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| [03:30:00] | stobor: | I was wondering if there was any way within myth (or from a separate tool) to watch true live video. Id like to be able to have my gamecube setup so that it runs though the pc. |
| [03:31:00] | eidolon: | uh |
| [03:31:00] | eidolon: | why? :) |
| [03:31:00] | eidolon: | just put in a video switch |
| [03:31:00] | eidolon: | flipside though, livetv is... livetv. |
| [03:31:00] | stobor: | yeah, but then its another switch i have to press |
| [03:31:00] | stobor: | and im lazy |
| [03:31:00] | Criggie: | yeah – $10 for a manual one |
| [03:31:00] | Criggie: | stobor: your TV has only one input ? |
| [03:31:00] | weizur: | yay my irblaster works! |
| [03:32:00] | stobor: | nope, but ive gotta change the tv and reciever input |
| [03:32:00] | Criggie: | does your receiver switch video too? Mine do |
| [03:32:00] | stobor: | i just know when i was fiddling around in ::gasp windows, there was a small util that worked great, so i figured somebody had done something similar in linux |
| [03:33:00] | eidolon: | well, livetv is just that. livetv. |
| [03:33:00] | eidolon: | just don't pause it. |
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| [03:33:00] | stobor: | no, theres a 3sec buffer in there (on my sytem anyway) |
| [03:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | there is a buffer on all that go through myth |
| [03:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | what kind of capture card ? |
| [03:34:00] | eidolon: | in that case, answer; "no, use a switch." |
| [03:34:00] | stobor: | hauppage 500mce |
| [03:34:00] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | yeah – the two second buffer is by design – so you can detect ads and rewind etc |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | or get another TV |
| [03:34:00] | eidolon: | quite. |
| [03:34:00] | eidolon: | or learn to predict your games. |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | a nice little 15" LCD TV with multiple inputs |
| [03:34:00] | stobor: | haha, ok. thanks |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | "I need to dodge in three seconeds so... *press*" |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | shit too early |
| [03:34:00] | Criggie: | :-) |
| [03:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | stobor: Your best bet is to pop a cheap ($20 and down) bttv card in, plug the gamecube into that |
| [03:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | and add a menu item to myth to launch a nonpvr app like tvtime or xawtv for playing the gamecube |
| [03:35:00] | Criggie: | no no no GreyFoxx tell him to use mythgame instead :) |
| [03:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | leaving the pvr cards to handle recordings |
| [03:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | just don't tell myth about the bttv card |
| [03:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it wont attempt to use it |
| [03:35:00] | stobor: | right, makes sense |
| [03:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | then you avoid the buffering without any real hassle |
| [03:36:00] | eidolon: | hey, so, asked this early, but the demi-god greyfoxx wasn't here. i'm having problems with joysticks under debian renumbering. if my usb bus resets or fiddles for some unknown reason, /dev/js0 and /dev/js1 (my 2 joysticks) become /dev/js2 and /dev/js3. anyone know how to fix "The first joystick you find is always js0. The second one is always js1" ? |
| [03:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | no idea |
| [03:36:00] | ** eidolon loses. ** | |
| [03:37:00] | Octane: | anyone know why there hasnt been a release in 7 months |
| [03:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | never ran into that |
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| [03:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Octane: Just cause |
| [03:37:00] | eidolon: | Octane: cuz folks are busy? |
| [03:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | if all goes well hopefully by the end of this month |
| [03:37:00] | Octane: | GreyFoxx: ive bene using mythtv for 2 years just wondering why the inconsistency |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | a little thing I call "summer break" :) |
| [03:38:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: do you contribute code? |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [03:38:00] | a1fa|64: | what code? |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | various, nothin massive other than the mythgame changes |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | sprinkles here and there |
| [03:39:00] | a1fa|64: | i havent looked at svn.. is this written in C? |
| [03:39:00] | eidolon: | hmm. hey, if i'm running knoppmyth (i am), if i go to SVN, am i goign to need to do kernel / driver updates? or are they seperate? i wouldn't mind having my knoppmyth back end and mfe, and a seperate 'svn build' back end and mfe. |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | that reminds me, I gotta run through and make sure everything still compiles and runs under OpenBSD |
| [03:39:00] | eidolon: | i'd hate to destroy my running machine |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: c++ |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | except for the libavcodec stuff |
| [03:40:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: what gui lib is it using? |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | qt |
| [03:40:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: i wonder how hard would it be to add mouse support with qt |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | qt has mouse support |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth doesn't take advantage of it in any of the widgets or classes |
| [03:41:00] | a1fa|64: | yeah, but how hard would it be to add it with myth |
| [03:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | try and find out ?:) |
| [03:41:00] | a1fa|64: | dont know nothing about qt |
| [03:41:00] | ** eidolon svn updates. ** | |
| [03:41:00] | eidolon: | man you guys've been busy. |
| [03:41:00] | a1fa|64: | hey GreyFoxx, is the sql password automatically generated or is it same for everybody? |
| [03:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | default is 'mythtv' which is contained in mc.sql |
| [03:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | so it will be that unless you change it |
| [03:42:00] | a1fa|64: | i have something different |
| [03:42:00] | a1fa|64: | debian package :P |
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| [03:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not a package user but that doesn't suprise me that they would change the default |
| [03:44:00] | a1fa|64: | mythtv.org/svn? |
| [03:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | svn.mythtv.org/trac |
| [03:44:00] | a1fa|64: | i might contribute |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | find an itch and scratch it :) |
| [03:45:00] | ** eidolon is starting a source build. i need to be tracking svn if i'm gonna work on mythweb. ** | |
| [03:45:00] | ** eidolon has a huge fscking itch. ** | |
| [03:45:00] | a1fa|64: | you guys dont do new features? |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | huh ? |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | If your itch happens to be a new feature then do it |
| [03:46:00] | a1fa|64: | new features go via tickets, right? |
| [03:46:00] | eidolon: | hmm. |
| [03:46:00] | eidolon: | can 'make install' be targeted into a 'work' binary dir structure? |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | tickets are for bug reports and submitted patches |
| [03:46:00] | eidolon: | i don't want to spank my existing run. |
| [03:46:00] | a1fa|64: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/791 |
| [03:47:00] | a1fa|64: | hm.. somebody added mouse support allready |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [03:47:00] | kahuna_: | Will a PCI video card swamp the PCI bus too much? |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Someone submitted a patch for it, It hasn't been "added" yet :) |
| [03:47:00] | a1fa|64: | right.. |
| [03:47:00] | a1fa|64: | thats what i meant :P |
| [03:47:00] | a1fa|64: | hm.. i wonder if it works |
| [03:48:00] | a1fa|64: | looks shitty |
| [03:48:00] | a1fa|64: | sequences.insert("258", MythGestureEvent::Down); |
| [03:48:00] | a1fa|64: | hm.. crazyass shit |
| [03:48:00] | a1fa|64: | just make the freaking buttons clickable |
| [03:48:00] | a1fa|64: | dont re-invent the wheel |
| [03:49:00] | dgilmore: | i just upgraded to svn mythweb is broken for me |
| [03:50:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | you have to read the README |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | done and its all setup right |
| [03:50:00] | ** GreyFoxx watches windows updates flow by ** | |
| [03:50:00] | a1fa|64: | wow |
| [03:50:00] | a1fa|64: | this code is nasty |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | PHP Notice: Undefined index: PATH_INFO in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 33 |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | PHP Notice: Undefined index: PATH_INFO in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 35 |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | PHP Notice: Undefined index: PATH_INFO in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 37 |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | PHP Notice: Undefined index: REQUEST_URI in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 39 |
| [03:50:00] | dgilmore: | PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PORT in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 49 |
| [03:50:00] | eidolon: | dgilmore: pleae don't paste. |
| [03:51:00] | dgilmore: | i get that and an error message saying that the databse isnt setup |
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| [03:51:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | sounds like your php is horribly scrwed up |
| [03:51:00] | a1fa|64: | ouch,.. my eyes.. omg.. my eye |
| [03:51:00] | a1fa|64: | omg... you poked me in the eyeeee |
| [03:51:00] | a1fa|64: | he didnt set it up |
| [03:51:00] | dgilmore: | Ginsu_Squirrel: php install is from rpm and worked with rpms |
| [03:52:00] | Ginsu_Squirrel: | well dunno, but i just got the svn and mythweb works fine here |
| [03:52:00] | dgilmore: | it was working before update |
| [03:52:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: will this get merged you think? |
| [03:52:00] | eidolon: | if you're tracking mythweb, xris is in the middle of doing some -major- overhauling htere. |
| [03:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | No idea, I haven't looked |
| [03:53:00] | Krazylegz: | eidolon: Define "in the middle of." :-) |
| [03:53:00] | eidolon: | well, last i talked with him it was "Don't start coding on mythweb until i finish this core change" – that was about 2 weeks ago. |
| [03:54:00] | eidolon: | i'm just now doing an svn build cuz i need to start coding. |
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| [03:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, he said that to me a few months ago. |
| [03:54:00] | eidolon: | heh |
| [03:54:00] | Krazylegz: | He's been busy, and he got hurt too. |
| [03:54:00] | eidolon: | oh? |
| [03:54:00] | eidolon: | i didn't hear that. |
| [03:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Shoulder, I think. |
| [03:54:00] | eidolon: | mythweb is -not- that complicated. i could fork it i suppose. |
| [03:55:00] | eidolon: | but it seriously needs some major work :( |
| [03:55:00] | eidolon: | ad i don't mind doing it :) |
| [03:55:00] | ** eidolon half-thinks in php. :-/ ** | |
| [03:55:00] | Krazylegz: | I was going to help too. |
| [03:55:00] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
| [03:55:00] | Krazylegz: | I just figured I would wait until xris was done with his huge API update. |
| [03:55:00] | eidolon: | well, if i get this svn build working, i'm going tos tart poking at it. |
| [03:55:00] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
| [03:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Though, I wonder why he doesn't want help with that. |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | hey, it's his baby :) |
| [03:56:00] | xris: | eidolon: you offered to redo the music stuff, right? I'm all for that |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | DOH! |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | there he is :) |
| [03:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | yah, mythmusic. |
| [03:56:00] | Krazylegz: | Speak of the devil. |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | but you said you were doing a bunch of core changes... |
| [03:56:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: how is that theme comming along? |
| [03:56:00] | eidolon: | so i didn't start digging into it yet. |
| [03:56:00] | xris: | yeah, but for now that just means moving stuff to the new mod_rewrite format. |
| [03:57:00] | ** eidolon nods. ** | |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | okay... which really shouldn't affect hax0ring on ti now. |
| [03:57:00] | xris: | moving the music stuff would be easy enough at the same time as rewriting it. |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | i just may have to change GET paths. |
| [03:57:00] | xris: | right now it works as the old way and the new way... for the most part. |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | heh. |
| [03:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | got the edit most stuff done on my vmware session, just haven't put it up for testing yet |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | is the 'new way' in svn? |
| [03:57:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: as for "hurt"... tendonitis. makes typing not-fun. |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | ow ow. |
| [03:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, that's what it was. |
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| [03:57:00] | xris: | eidolon: yeah, it's checked in... mod_rewrite-based. |
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| [03:57:00] | Krazylegz: | I knew it was something where you didn't want to be typing. |
| [03:57:00] | eidolon: | i spent a lot of money on ergonomics to make it psosible to code for 10–12 hours a day :( |
| [03:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | plus I think there was an additional osd program info screen added to svn which I wanna make sure I add |
| [03:58:00] | eidolon: | xris: okay. i'll work on this build, and see what i can see. i'll probably be on #mythtv in the next day or three if i can get this going. |
| [03:58:00] | eidolon: | i'm nervous about jumping from knoppmyth to svn... trying to figture out if i can 'parallel' it. |
| [03:58:00] | xris: | eidolon: I need to lower my desk at home by about 4 inches... but that requires dismantling my office. |
| [03:58:00] | eidolon: | the potential for shattering the entire system is high :) |
| [03:58:00] | Darby: | Hey all, I'm having a bit of a brainfart that hopefully somebody could give me a little smack upside the head to clear up. Just a problem getting mythweb authentication working. It works great on the other 4 installs I have working which is why I'm pretty sure it's a PEBKAC error ;-) |
| [03:59:00] | xris: | Darby: what error? |
| [03:59:00] | eidolon: | xris: *nod* well, i did 3 things. 1) got an aeron chair. they're expensive, but they're -awesome- ergonomically. 2) get a keyboard shaped right (for soem reason the microsoft '4000' ergo kb is really good. i don't know what they did :), and 3) i have a nice monitor stand. |
| [03:59:00] | Darby: | well, it doesn''t authenticate. When it seems to be set up perfectly, it just hangs |
| [04:00:00] | xris: | eidolon: would love aeron.. but well, expensive (I have a nice one from ikea for now) and I prefer high-back... looking for a better keyboard, though. |
| [04:00:00] | eidolon: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/65385905/ <-- my desk, when i was tinkering with 'transparent video' ;) |
| [04:01:00] | jonK: | I love my aeron chair |
| [04:01:00] | a1fa|64: | whats that |
| [04:01:00] | Darby: | xris: no error messages |
| [04:01:00] | eidolon: | it's a chair. called an aeron. stop me if i get too technical. |
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| [04:02:00] | a1fa|64: | stop |
| [04:02:00] | eidolon: | you can see the corner of mine in that picture. |
| [04:02:00] | jonK: | I never thought a chair could be sexy |
| [04:02:00] | eidolon: | heh |
| [04:02:00] | xris: | Darby: hard to help you without more information. |
| [04:02:00] | a1fa|64: | ah |
| [04:02:00] | a1fa|64: | its too dark to tell |
| [04:02:00] | a1fa|64: | :p |
| [04:02:00] | xris: | eidolon: coworker of mine got a bunch of them for like $50 apiece during the dotcom bust. |
| [04:02:00] | xris: | wish I had known him back then |
| [04:02:00] | eidolon: | yeah, there was a lot of that. |
| [04:02:00] | eidolon: | i paid $600 for mine. which was still a bargain (mine is a size C. i'm not a small guy :) |
| [04:02:00] | Darby: | xris: I know :-( |
| [04:03:00] | eidolon: | but i was hurting after only 3–4 hours of work. needed to do something. |
| [04:03:00] | eidolon: | the fold-in armwrests rock :) |
| [04:03:00] | a1fa|64: | suckz :P |
| [04:03:00] | a1fa|64: | too expensive.. you could've bought a glock17 9mm with 33 bullet clip |
| [04:03:00] | eidolon: | that would have helped my RSI, yup. |
| [04:04:00] | weizur: | we had them at my last job but they were all size A which is for like 120 lb or less guys |
| [04:04:00] | a1fa|64: | and 200 bullets |
| [04:04:00] | weizur: | they're overrated |
| [04:04:00] | Darby: | xris: what's the site to link to to show my config info as not to flood the channel? |
| [04:04:00] | xris: | sixapart just bought them for all of the livejournal people. |
| [04:04:00] | xris: | Darby: /topic |
| [04:04:00] | a1fa|64: | pastebin.ca |
| [04:04:00] | eidolon: | xris: all the chairs? really? |
| [04:04:00] | eidolon: | i have a friend who works for 6a. |
| [04:04:00] | eidolon: | (she already has an aeron :) |
| [04:04:00] | xris: | eidolon: 15" powerbooks, aerons all around. |
| [04:04:00] | eidolon: | rockin. |
| [04:05:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: please fight for this mouse support.. hopefully it works |
| [04:05:00] | a1fa|64: | anybody using svn daring to test this mouse support? |
| [04:05:00] | xris: | and after the colo move for livejournal, a week-long cruise to those who helped (one of my best friends is an SA for lj) |
| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: I don't care about mouse support :) If it's there fine, if not then it wont affect me :) |
| [04:05:00] | eidolon: | excellent. |
| [04:05:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: touch-screen dude.. |
| [04:05:00] | eidolon: | yah, i have no interest in mouse support either. i use joystickmenu |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: Still not a major push for me :) |
| [04:06:00] | a1fa|64: | GreyFoxx: i have that little pos |
| [04:06:00] | ** xris wonders how crappy a touchscreen would loon on top of his tv. ** | |
| [04:06:00] | simcop2387: | where would be a good place to go to learn how to write a plugin for mythtv? |
| [04:06:00] | xris: | s/loon/look/ |
| [04:06:00] | a1fa|64: | hehe, think of me as a lobbyst |
| [04:06:00] | eidolon: | i still want to write a client-app to talk to mfe remotely. |
| [04:06:00] | xris: | simcop2387: unfortunately, I think the answer is "the code" |
| [04:06:00] | a1fa|64: | lobbyist |
| [04:06:00] | eidolon: | so you can have a desktop app / webpage / ajax app / wahtever that i can run on the laptop that'll control the mfe being displayed *points* over there. |
| [04:06:00] | simcop2387: | xris: any plugins that are simplest to learn from? |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | eidolon: that's the whole point of mfe (actually mfd, if I recall) |
| [04:07:00] | eidolon: | well, no, not really. |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | simcop2387: since I don't know C++ very well, mythweb was easiest for me. |
| [04:07:00] | eidolon: | mfd, yes. |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | though it's more of a second frontend rather than a plugin. |
| [04:07:00] | eidolon: | mfe is coupled with the display system. |
| [04:07:00] | simcop2387: | xris: ah i need a frontend plugin |
| [04:07:00] | eidolon: | i want my 'controller' not to display the video stream. |
| [04:07:00] | eidolon: | i want it to control the video stream being displayed elsewhere. |
| [04:07:00] | a1fa|64: | how does joystickmenu work |
| [04:08:00] | eidolon: | think of a 7" touchscreen lcd next to you on the couch that shows current channel, schedule, other controls... but the big HDTV is on the other side of the room. |
| [04:08:00] | simcop2387: | eidolon: nice |
| [04:08:00] | xris: | eidolon: anyway, if you want to play with music code in mythweb, just let me know. I've been looking for someone to take over that part for ages (I don't use mythmusic, so it's hard to get up the energy to poke at it) |
| [04:08:00] | eidolon: | i'll defiantely do it. |
| [04:08:00] | eidolon: | i'm building svn now so i can. |
| [04:09:00] | xris: | anyway, I'm shutting down for the night.. later. |
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| [04:09:00] | eidolon: | ni.. er. night. |
| [04:09:00] | simcop2387: | well i guess for now i'll develope a stand alone perl script that makes dvd's |
| [04:09:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: i want to control my tv via vnc |
| [04:09:00] | eidolon: | man moves fast. |
| [04:09:00] | a1fa|64: | eidolon: remote-support! |
| [04:09:00] | ** eidolon sees a build warning. ** | |
| [04:09:00] | ** eidolon assumes it can be ignored. ** | |
| [04:09:00] | eidolon: | (videosource.cpp) |
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| [04:10:00] | Hal: | simcop2387: have you considered http://mythburn.sourceforge.net/? |
| [04:10:00] | simcop2387: | Hal: hadn't seen it i'll check it out |
| [04:10:00] | simcop2387: | well fsck |
| [04:10:00] | eidolon: | heh |
| [04:11:00] | eidolon: | hate it when soemone has already written your app? :) |
| [04:11:00] | Darby: | Me again, relevant config info is http://pastebin.ca/33348 |
| [04:11:00] | Hal: | simcop2387: looks like I gave you a bum pointer. At least, I can't find anything from there. But, such projects exist. |
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| [04:12:00] | simcop2387: | Hal: looks like he hasn't done a whole lot with it, but thats basically what i plan on making, but i need to learn how to make a mythtv plugin which i don't know how to do yet |
| [04:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: What's the problem? |
| [04:12:00] | Darby: | mythweb authentication doesn't authenticate |
| [04:13:00] | Hal: | simcop2387: nod |
| [04:13:00] | simcop2387: | hmm he's got a file release on sourceforge, wonder if he's usign cvs |
| [04:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: It just doesn't ask you for authentication? |
| [04:14:00] | poop: | Is there any way to get configure to set $LINK in the makefiles? |
| [04:14:00] | Darby: | yes |
| [04:14:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: lets anyone in |
| [04:14:00] | simcop2387: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythburn/ |
| [04:14:00] | Hal: | darby: at the risk of exposing my apache ignorance, isn't it "require valid-user"? |
| [04:15:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: Permissions on your .htaccess file? |
| [04:16:00] | a1fa|64: | who is running debian here and using precompiled packages? |
| [04:16:00] | simcop2387: | ooo nice |
| [04:16:00] | Darby: | Hal: yeah. I fixed it and it hangs |
| [04:16:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1509 Dec 11 20:15 .htaccess |
| [04:17:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: It hangs, or it just lets you in? |
| [04:18:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: It hangs, "Request Sent" using links2 |
| [04:18:00] | Krazylegz: | How long are you waiting for it? |
| [04:18:00] | a1fa|64: | omg |
| [04:18:00] | a1fa|64: | mdz is gay |
| [04:18:00] | Krazylegz: | Sometimes program_listing.php can take a long time. |
| [04:18:00] | a1fa|64: | he quit maintaining mythtv for debian |
| [04:18:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: not long enough, I guess... It's in now. no authentication |
| [04:18:00] | a1fa|64: | hehehe :P |
| [04:19:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, so it's still not authenticating. |
| [04:19:00] | a1fa|64: | brb |
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| [04:21:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: yeah, different apache versions, but I'm not trying to put the blame there yet |
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| [04:21:00] | Krazylegz: | Which versions? |
| [04:21:00] | Krazylegz: | Shouldn't be a problem, though. |
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| [04:22:00] | simcop2387: | Hal: thanks for the link, his interface is primarily with mythweb, i'll check it out some more (and get it setup myself) and contact the author about making changes and possible creation of a mythfrontend plugin to work with it so that you can burn from mythweb and from the frontend (and play with non-destructive commercial skip on dvd's, i have a working dvdauthor template for this) |
| [04:23:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: Sorry, same versions of apache (Apache/2.0.54) different kernel versions both gentoo |
| [04:23:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. Still shouldn't be a problem. |
| [04:23:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm guessing that your browser isn't sending the login information for some other reason. |
| [04:25:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: maybe, but I'm doing it locally sshd into the machine using links2 and my P in law is doing it from a different machine using IE or Firefox with the same result |
| [04:25:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: Does your error log show anything? |
| [04:26:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: nothing since :[Sun Dec 11 20:17:47 2005] [notice] Apache configured — resuming normal operations |
| [04:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. |
| [04:27:00] | Krazylegz: | You can try putting the auth directives into httpd.conf and see if that fixes it. |
| [04:27:00] | Hal: | Darby: presume you restarted apache since you editted httpd.conf? |
| [04:27:00] | Darby: | I've done it both ways, and I did restart it |
| [04:29:00] | Darby: | One difference between the 2 machines I'm looking at is that one has httpd.conf and one has apache2.conf + commonapache2.conf |
| [04:29:00] | Darby: | presumably it was a gentoo change between releases |
| [04:29:00] | Krazylegz: | My setup is like that, but I don't have any problems with auth. |
| [04:30:00] | Darby: | I don't either except in this case. That's why I figured I was just being reatrded on something simple |
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| [04:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: Everything in pastebin looks fine to me. |
| [04:31:00] | Kichigai: | Hello, anyone in here have any experience with MythTV front-end on the XBox? |
| [04:31:00] | Darby: | ok, well thanks for the help. I'll tweak with it a bit more and see what I can see ;-) |
| [04:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: Are you overridding anywhere else? |
| [04:32:00] | Krazylegz: | You could try pasting your whole httpd.conf. |
| [04:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, apache2.conf and commonapache2.conf. |
| [04:32:00] | Hal: | Another stupid question: you have the loadmodules lines for the authentication modules in httpd.conf? |
| [04:33:00] | Hal: | would expect an error if not, but never tried |
| [04:33:00] | Darby: | Hal: Yeah, they're all loaded by default |
| [04:34:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: it's the httpd.conf one that doesn't work |
| [04:34:00] | Hal: | Darby: I'm out of ideas. I declare it working. |
| [04:35:00] | Darby: | Hal: w00t!. Now ifonly the machine would believe you as much as I want to ;-) |
| [04:36:00] | Krazylegz: | Hal: I don't have any LoadModule lines for authentication. It may have been compiled into this distro's binary? |
| [04:37:00] | Kichigai: | Does anyone have any idea where I could find MythTV Debian packages? |
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| [04:37:00] | Kichigai: | All the sources I've ever seen point to an out-of-date source. |
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| [04:37:00] | Hal: | Krazylegz: dunno. Only learn apache configuration as I need to and haven't had much need. |
| [04:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. mdz went to my alma mater. |
| [04:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, probably I went to his. |
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| [04:40:00] | Kichigai: | So, no clue where to find DEBs? |
| [04:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Kichigai: Does this work: http://diy.prettymad.net/index.php/How_to_Bui . . . a_Repository ? |
| [04:41:00] | Kichigai: | I'll have a look at it. |
| [04:41:00] | Kichigai: | Yeah, those repositories are out of date. |
| [04:41:00] | Kichigai: | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu unstable/mythtv Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dijkstra.csh.rit.edu_%7emdz_debian_dists_unstable_mythtv_bin ary-i386_Packages) – stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| [04:42:00] | Kichigai: | It's not there any more. |
| [04:42:00] | Krazylegz: | What about the other one? |
| [04:42:00] | Kichigai: | You mean compiling myself? |
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| [04:42:00] | Krazylegz: | No. |
| [04:42:00] | Krazylegz: | http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ |
| [04:43:00] | Kichigai: | http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ ? |
| [04:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, Myth isn't in there. |
| [04:43:00] | Kichigai: | Yeah, that was my worry. |
| [04:44:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: full httpd.conf:http://pastebin.ca/33350 (mostly all default... long...) |
| [04:47:00] | Kichigai: | Well, anyone ever have any success with the MythTV torrent from ThePirateBay? |
| [04:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: Don't you need a DocumentRoot in here? |
| [04:52:00] | Darby: | Krazylegz: found the problem |
| [04:52:00] | Darby: | the default vhosts file needed to have Authoverride set |
| [04:52:00] | Darby: | Doh! |
| [04:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. |
| [04:53:00] | Krazylegz: | I didn't have that file. :-) |
| [04:53:00] | Darby: | Thanks for all the help |
| [04:53:00] | Krazylegz: | I tried. |
| [04:53:00] | Darby: | Yeah, it just recently got added to the newest gentoo builds I think |
| [04:54:00] | Darby: | you used to only need them for real vhosts |
| [04:54:00] | Darby: | I do appreciate your time though, Hal as well |
| [04:55:00] | Kichigai: | So it looks like I'll have to compile from source. |
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| [04:56:00] | Klowner: | I'm looking for debian etch packages, anyone know if they exist? |
| [04:57:00] | Kichigai: | Klowner, You have MythTV on Debian? |
| [04:57:00] | Klowner: | I'd like to.. |
| [04:57:00] | Kichigai: | Damn. |
| [04:57:00] | Klowner: | that's why I'm looking for packages |
| [04:57:00] | Kichigai: | Well, join the club. |
| [04:58:00] | Kichigai: | Are you trying to set up a MythTV set-up on a standard PC? |
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| [04:59:00] | Klowner: | ya |
| [04:59:00] | Kichigai: | Use KnoppMyth |
| [05:00:00] | Kichigai: | It's based on Knoppix which is basically Debian on a disc. |
| [05:00:00] | Klowner: | tried it, the installer was half busted |
| [05:00:00] | Kichigai: | I've *almost* got a system working with it (having some trouble with my tuner) but it's easier than trying to find Debian packages. |
| [05:00:00] | Kichigai: | Half-busted? |
| [05:00:00] | Kichigai: | Which version are you using? |
| [05:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. |
| [05:01:00] | ** Krazylegz uses KnoppMyth ** | |
| [05:02:00] | Klowner: | not sure |
| [05:02:00] | Klowner: | only the default partitiong mode would actually install |
| [05:02:00] | Kichigai: | Try R5A27 |
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| [05:02:00] | Kichigai: | That's the latest, and I've had no problems with the installer. |
| [05:02:00] | simcop2387: | i never had much luck installing any of the knoppix style distro's |
| [05:03:00] | Kichigai: | I've never tried to install a Knoppix style distro, nor have I ever tried to install MythTV. |
| [05:03:00] | Kichigai: | Had no problems. |
| [05:03:00] | simcop2387: | Hal: as nice as mythburn seems to be, it isn't very friendly in any way shape or form to setup, i think i'll make my own |
| [05:05:00] | Hal: | simcop2387: Nod. Never tried it myself, but a friend of mine likes it. |
| [05:06:00] | Hal: | simcop2387: Didn't want you to duplicate the effort if there was no need |
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| [05:22:00] | Kichigai: | Do I need to install MySQL on a system that's going to be a dedicated front-end? |
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| [05:26:00] | donofrio: | need some help with my "http://pastebin.com/460451" |
| [05:26:00] | donofrio: | but it still doesn't work |
| [05:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kichigai: You will need the MySQL client libraries at least |
| [05:27:00] | Kichigai: | Mm. |
| [05:27:00] | Kichigai: | Thankee |
| [05:28:00] | Kichigai: | I'm just worried because I'm installing this on my XBox. |
| [05:28:00] | Kichigai: | MySQL and 64 MB of RAM does not sound fun. |
| [05:29:00] | donofrio: | what using gentoox |
| [05:29:00] | Kichigai: | Huh? |
| [05:29:00] | donofrio: | what'ch running on your xbox? |
| [05:30:00] | Kichigai: | Xebian 1.1.3 |
| [05:30:00] | donofrio: | oh cool....enjoy |
| [05:30:00] | Kichigai: | I prefer Debian-like OSes |
| [05:30:00] | Kichigai: | apt-get is my god |
| [05:31:00] | donofrio: | anyone here aim's videohighway xtreme experts? |
| [05:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kichigai: you don't need to run the server, just have the client libraries installed , so it should be fine |
| [05:31:00] | Kichigai: | K |
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| [05:37:00] | donofrio: | anyone here aim's videohighway xtreme experts? |
| [05:38:00] | Kichigai: | Wha? |
| [05:40:00] | donofrio: | need some help |
| [05:42:00] | netrix: | donofrio: this thing? -> http://www.gamevortex.com/gamevortex/hard_rev.php/241 |
| [05:43:00] | donofrio: | yep |
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| [05:43:00] | netrix: | hm, never heard of it before. sounds just a capture card of sorts. |
| [05:43:00] | donofrio: | had to rmmod then modprobe bttv card=14 tuner=2 |
| [05:44:00] | donofrio: | just to get dmesg to work like http://pastebin.com/460451 |
| [05:44:00] | donofrio: | just thats as far as I've gotten on my box |
| [05:47:00] | netrix: | so whats wrong with it? try to use it in myth now. =) |
| [05:47:00] | donofrio: | but tvtime doesn't like it so whats to make mythtv like better? |
| [05:48:00] | netrix: | wierd, looks like it initializes properly. |
| [05:48:00] | netrix: | i haven't used any bttv based stuff in a long time. |
| [05:49:00] | donofrio: | yep.....but tvtime is unreadable, like its halfway wrapped |
| [05:49:00] | netrix: | so you do get some video? |
| [05:49:00] | donofrio: | no signal |
| [05:50:00] | netrix: | wish i could help, but i only use hauppage pvr cards these days. |
| [05:50:00] | donofrio: | ehheehhe ok |
| [05:52:00] | donofrio: | I see two times one on the left one on the right (sound familar to anyone....) |
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| [05:58:00] | Darby: | netrix: I have a hauppaugue, but bttv still shows up in lsmod. Am I doing something wrong, or are you talking about something else? |
| [05:58:00] | netrix: | Darby: which hauppauge? |
| [05:58:00] | Darby: | pvr-350 |
| [05:59:00] | netrix: | Darby: you shouldn't see bttv when you do lsmod then unless you have a bttv based capture card in your system too. |
| [05:59:00] | Darby: | It all works great, I'm jsut curious really |
| [05:59:00] | Darby: | The 350 is the only card in the system |
| [05:59:00] | netrix: | Darby: thats pretty wierd. see if bttv is in your /etc/modules |
| [06:00:00] | netrix: | i have a pvr350 in one of my systems and i just checked to be sure, no bttv. |
| [06:00:00] | Krazylegz: | Darby: I also have bttv anf PVR-350. |
| [06:01:00] | Darby: | huh. I just checked a totally different system, they're even intel/amd, and both show it |
| [06:01:00] | netrix: | okay, maybe it's me then 'cuz i don't have it. |
| [06:02:00] | Darby: | nothing in /etc/modules.d (gentoo) |
| [06:02:00] | Darby: | I think I compiled it into the kernel (read an old install guide) |
| [06:02:00] | netrix: | ah that would explain it. |
| [06:02:00] | Darby: | Well, nothing's broken, so |
| [06:02:00] | netrix: | i normally never compile stuff into my kernel. too lazy. |
| [06:03:00] | Kichigai: | You'd be surprised the level of optimzation you can get out of compiling your own kernel. |
| [06:03:00] | Darby: | ok. If it isn't necessary I might just ditch it ( on mine, not my mom's or P in laws. No need to break stuff on the other side of the country;-) |
| [06:04:00] | netrix: | i checked my other system, ubuntu breezy with a pvr500. no bttv either. |
| [06:04:00] | poop: | Kichigai: I'd be surprised. Where are the numbers? |
| [06:05:00] | netrix: | Kickigai: you mean in terms of booting up? or something else? |
| [06:05:00] | Kichigai: | Well, using a custom kernel, i managed to get a Pentium 166 MMX to play DivX files |
| [06:07:00] | netrix: | kickigai: so you set the processor type then in the kernel options? or somethign else? |
| [06:07:00] | Kichigai: | I'm not sure, could be a number of things, but I managed to get it to work. |
| [06:08:00] | laga: | CFLAGS="-omgigosofast" ;) |
| [06:08:00] | netrix: | lol. |
| [06:08:00] | Kichigai: | mind you, anything over 320x240 wasn't too pretty but it worked. |
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| [06:08:00] | netrix: | i never even see a different when i apt-get the right kernel for my hardware, but it makes me feel all fuzzy doing it. |
| [06:08:00] | Darby: | Personaly I don't like any loops that aren't funrolled ;-) |
| [06:08:00] | ** netrix shrugs. ** | |
| [06:09:00] | ** laga gives Darby dirty looks ** | |
| [06:09:00] | Darby: | it's a joke |
| [06:09:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [06:10:00] | Darby: | They're funner that way ;-) |
| [06:10:00] | ** laga snickers ** | |
| [06:12:00] | netrix: | finally got my nfsroot working this weekend. pvr500 in the backend, three frontends. works amazing! |
| [06:12:00] | Darby: | nice |
| [06:12:00] | netrix: | two 400gb sata's on tuesday for storage. |
| [06:12:00] | netrix: | is lvm the best way to set them up? |
| [06:13:00] | Darby: | It works great for me |
| [06:13:00] | poop: | netrix: raid them first |
| [06:13:00] | netrix: | poop: Raid 0? |
| [06:13:00] | poop: | netrix: vroom |
| [06:13:00] | Darby: | 600GB main tv record storage with another 300 for music and torrents |
| [06:13:00] | netrix: | it's like ~1gb per 1/2 hour right? |
| [06:14:00] | Darby: | about that |
| [06:14:00] | |Slurpee|: | damn |
| [06:14:00] | |Slurpee|: | i thought my 500 gig was going to be plenty big for my pvr |
| [06:14:00] | poop: | transcode to mpeg-4 |
| [06:14:00] | Darby: | poop: about transcoding |
| [06:15:00] | netrix: | i only set up lvm once, is it easy to extend a volume later? |
| [06:15:00] | netrix: | or can it be done. |
| [06:15:00] | netrix: | <- lvm noob. |
| [06:15:00] | Darby: | If it takes 17 hours to transcode a half hour show do I have a problem? |
| [06:15:00] | Darby: | LVM is pretty slick |
| [06:16:00] | Darby: | you can easily redo your sizing as long as your filesystem tools will resize partitions |
| [06:17:00] | netrix: | i ask 'cuz i was going to get 3 or 4 400mb drives, but i could only afford two right now. |
| [06:17:00] | netrix: | might wanna upgrade later. |
| [06:17:00] | Darby: | I've added a few different drives and never had an issue |
| [06:18:00] | Darby: | just remember pv, lv, vg |
| [06:18:00] | Darby: | type those letters and hit tab |
| [06:18:00] | netrix: | Darby: good to know. |
| [06:18:00] | Darby: | you should see the utils you need to use |
| [06:21:00] | netrix: | is there a limit to the number of pvr cards you can use in one system? |
| [06:22:00] | netrix: | thinking of hocking my pvr350 for another pvr500. |
| [06:22:00] | Darby: | can you easily run two tuners? |
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| [06:22:00] | Darby: | I'd need two cable boxes and two irblasters |
| [06:23:00] | Darby: | unless I'm completely retarded |
| [06:23:00] | netrix: | Darby: not sure what you mean. |
| [06:23:00] | netrix: | depending on the number of frontends in use, sure. |
| [06:23:00] | netrix: | i am using two right now. |
| [06:23:00] | Darby: | wel, I can only get like 5 channels unless I have a cable box |
| [06:23:00] | netrix: | oh... your using it with sat or something? |
| [06:23:00] | netrix: | i just have plain old cable hooked up to mine. |
| [06:23:00] | Darby: | no, stupid Chicago comcast |
| [06:24:00] | Darby: | I have 7 frontends hooked up to it counting laptops and all |
| [06:24:00] | Darby: | works perfectly |
| [06:25:00] | Darby: | but without a cable box, I can't record anything but a couple channels |
| [06:26:00] | Darby: | If you can, then great. To ditch your 350, you'd need another tv out, unless you're not even using a tv |
| [06:27:00] | netrix: | nah, never used that functionality on the pvr350. |
| [06:27:00] | Darby: | then ditch away. |
| [06:27:00] | netrix: | never got the sound to work with it, video out worked tho. |
| [06:27:00] | Darby: | huh. there's a setting to tell it to use the pvr 350 sound out |
| [06:27:00] | netrix: | all your frontends are linux based? |
| [06:27:00] | Darby: | yeah |
| [06:28:00] | netrix: | Darby: i didn't spend that much time on it. the backend was in the basement, and i'm never down there anwyays. =) |
| [06:28:00] | Kichigai: | Anyone have experience with ATI TV-Wonder VE cards? |
| [06:28:00] | netrix: | cool, thats a lot of frontends. |
| [06:29:00] | Darby: | I tried the windows frontend over Thanksgiving at my P in laws when I built them one, and it didn't work too well at all |
| [06:29:00] | netrix: | yeah i have it on my desktop. not that great yet, but promising. |
| [06:30:00] | Darby: | yeah, one for the kitchen where my wife likes to watch cooking shows, this machine where I watching the weather (cold) several laptops including a dedicated azureus client that saves them to the main backend ;-) |
| [06:31:00] | Kichigai: | netrix, Did you say you had an TV-Wonder VE, or was that talking to someone else? |
| [06:31:00] | netrix: | i was thinking about building one for my parents. was wondering if it would be easy enough for them to use. |
| [06:31:00] | Darby: | I'm seriously impressed by how good a job the people who built this did. |
| [06:31:00] | netrix: | Kichigai: not i. must have been someone else. |
| [06:32:00] | Kichigai: | Hmm. |
| [06:32:00] | Kichigai: | Well, I'm having a bugger of a time getting my card to tune at all. |
| [06:32:00] | netrix: | Darby: i know. it blows me away. |
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| [06:32:00] | Kichigai: | Anyone have experience with BookTree cards? |
| [06:32:00] | netrix: | Darby: i had my own little homebrew kind of thing using VLC and LTSP. it worked well, but i had to dump it in favor or using myth, its just too good and has so many features. |
| [06:33:00] | Darby: | netrix: Well, I mailed one to my mom for her birthday and that didn't work out too well. My brotehr was there at the time and set them up with wireless, but didn't bridge it so I couldn't log in :-( |
| [06:34:00] | Darby: | Netrix: I'll be back over Christmas and fix it though |
| [06:34:00] | netrix: | Darby: how do they control it? though a remote only? or with a keyboard too? |
| [06:34:00] | Juski: | mornin' |
| [06:34:00] | netrix: | Darby: using a 350 in that one? |
| [06:34:00] | netrix: | Juski: howdy. |
| [06:34:00] | Darby: | Netrix: My wife's dad is head geek at a major biotech, so he's happy as can be |
| [06:35:00] | Darby: | netrix: Yep, 350s in all |
| [06:35:00] | Juski: | heh I'd love to see my inlaws with mythtv.. I'd have to change my phone number |
| [06:35:00] | Darby: | lol |
| [06:36:00] | Juski: | set them up a dvd player, but it had to go in to the TV thru their video |
| [06:36:00] | netrix: | honestly, it's probably easy enough to work that if they have digital cable or satellite they can figure it out. |
| [06:36:00] | Juski: | that was unworkable |
| [06:36:00] | Juski: | channel up & down... volume up & down.. put that tape in.. rewind it.. that's all they know |
| [06:37:00] | netrix: | funny, i just came home from my parents house and was setting up their home theature and fishing cat5 for the computer. |
| [06:37:00] | Darby: | netrix: remote only hopefully. keyboard's plugged in just in case |
| [06:37:00] | netrix: | Darby: using the hauppage remote? |
| [06:37:00] | Kichigai: | Can I get any help with my tuner? |
| [06:38:00] | Darby: | netrix: yes, works pretty well. I haven't actually figured out how to get it to start the front end if that dies though |
| [06:38:00] | Juski: | I showed my Dad the other week when he was down here. "looks like a lot of hassle" he said. I was like "eh? compared to finding a blank part on a VHS tape, remembering to set the timer,, then managing to _find_ the recording from last week, you mean?" |
| [06:39:00] | netrix: | Juski: just tell him it's generational. |
| [06:39:00] | Juski: | I think he's just blinded by the stunning amount it can do ;) |
| [06:39:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: Brooktree cards aren't worth bothering with in this day & age |
| [06:39:00] | Kichigai: | Juski, All I need to do is figure out why the thing won't tune. |
| [06:40:00] | netrix: | i thought about setting one up for my parents. i wanted to get them a pvr last year and the selection here in canada is slim pickins. |
| [06:40:00] | Kichigai: | I've already sunk more money into my MythBox than I planned to, I'd rather not go out and spend more money on hardware and make due with what I've got. |
| [06:40:00] | Kichigai: | I deinfately plan to make a better Mythbox later, when I have more money, though. |
| [06:40:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: ok... have you set up the frequencies of the channels in the channel editor? |
| [06:41:00] | Kichigai: | I've set up the Zap2It channel information and filled the database if that's what you mean. |
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| [06:41:00] | Darby: | netrix: hmmm.. I'll be in Vancouver in a week and a half or so. I might have to build one for the wife's sister anything special about the cable up there? |
| [06:42:00] | ** Juski imagines all these poor people with standalone DVD recorders cursing cos the show they wanted to watch is on a scratched disc... muhahahahaha ** | |
| [06:42:00] | Kichigai: | lol |
| [06:42:00] | Kichigai: | Anyway, ideas on how to fix my tuner woes? |
| [06:42:00] | netrix: | Darby: nope. it will be Shaw Cable in Vancouver I think. very straight forward. |
| [06:42:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: I've no experience with Zap2It |
| [06:42:00] | Kichigai: | I meant I have the information for the EPG downloaded. |
| [06:43:00] | Kichigai: | Is that what you meant, or do you mean I'm going to have to tweak all this manually/ |
| [06:43:00] | Kichigai: | ? |
| [06:43:00] | Juski: | I think Zap2It also inserts the frequency data for channels too – not sure though |
| [06:43:00] | poop: | weird, using the XvMC decoder in svn just gives me hiccups from a ton of "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" |
| [06:43:00] | netrix: | Darby: your like a MythTV consultant, fly you all over north america to build myth boxes. |
| [06:44:00] | Darby: | netrix: cool. I actually have an interview at the bro in law's company. not sure if I want to live in an igloo ;-) but he says the sushi is great and cheap |
| [06:44:00] | Juski: | netrix: there's a series in that somewhere... Mythtv Man doing battle with his evil nemesis Gill Bates every week |
| [06:44:00] | Kichigai: | Juski, well, I've retreived my lineups, but it hasn't changed anything yet. |
| [06:45:00] | Darby: | netrix: honestly there's a possibility I might end up doing a seminar at the P in laws company. He's talking it up big since he's started playing with it |
| [06:45:00] | netrix: | Darby: vancouver is nice man. doesn't snow, beautiful place to live. |
| [06:45:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: look in the channel setup pages of mythtv-setup. If any channels have Frequency IDs I'd have said you were good to go (so long as they're the right IDs).. unless of course you're not using the tuner on the card (with a cable box maybe) |
| [06:46:00] | netrix: | Darby: if i didn't live in Toronto, then Vancouver would be next. |
| [06:46:00] | netrix: | or Montreal. |
| [06:46:00] | Darby: | netrix: I'm from San Diego, and live in Chicago. Chicago is awesome but I whine like a litle bitch come winter ;-) |
| [06:46:00] | Juski: | I was thinking Canada might be a nice place to live, til I started reading about them going mad with Political correctness like we are here |
| [06:46:00] | netrix: | Darby: heh... ok that makes sense. |
| [06:47:00] | Kichigai: | Juski, The channels have numbers, if that's what you mean, but all advanced options are grayed out. |
| [06:47:00] | netrix: | Juski: to escape that you need to leave north america. |
| [06:47:00] | netrix: | Juski: i'm sure people are saying "Seasons Greetings" down there too now. |
| [06:47:00] | Juski: | netrix: we have 'happy holidays' now :-/ |
| [06:48:00] | netrix: | Juski: same sh-t, different flies. =) |
| [06:49:00] | Darby: | if political correctness is getting you down, call virgin mobiles Chrismahanukwanzakah Help Line at 888-353–7667 |
| [06:49:00] | Kichigai: | It's all set up, complete with frequency IDs. |
| [06:49:00] | Kichigai: | I know I can tune this stuff since I just hooked my TV up. |
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| [06:49:00] | Darby: | “For help from a Jew, press 1” |
| [06:49:00] | Darby: | “For a Hindu Santa, press 2” |
| [06:49:00] | Darby: | “A gay Elf, press 3” |
| [06:49:00] | Darby: | seriously funny |
| [06:49:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: I've no idea in that case |
| [06:49:00] | Juski: | lol Darby |
| [06:50:00] | Darby: | it's actually real and funnier than just that |
| [06:50:00] | netrix: | kickigai: maybe your tuner type is set incorrectly? |
| [06:50:00] | Kichigai: | NTSC |
| [06:50:00] | Kichigai: | I've tried us-cable, us-bcast, and us-cable-hrc |
| [06:50:00] | Kichigai: | None have changed my situation in the slightest. |
| [06:50:00] | Kichigai: | Same garbled output. |
| [06:50:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: have you tested the tuner outside of mythtv? |
| [06:51:00] | netrix: | kickigai: no i mean the option you pass the driver to tell it what kind of tuner your have. |
| [06:51:00] | netrix: | Juski: good point. |
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| [06:51:00] | Kichigai: | Juski, I used to use it on another computer, and it seemed to work fine then. |
| [06:51:00] | Juski: | bttv has lots of different tuner type options – which one you need depends on which card you have |
| [06:51:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: yes, but was that on a Linux computer? |
| [06:52:00] | Kichigai: | It was running Debian with kernel 2.6.5 and 2.4.20 |
| [06:52:00] | Juski: | whether it works or not is not in question (yet) |
| [06:52:00] | Kichigai: | Both had no problems. |
| [06:52:00] | Kichigai: | using V4L |
| [06:52:00] | Juski: | sometimes bttv can't autodetect the tuner |
| [06:52:00] | Juski: | infact in my experience.. most times it can't autodetect it |
| [06:53:00] | Juski: | so you have to set it yourself |
| [06:53:00] | Kichigai: | Hmm. |
| [06:53:00] | Juski: | get it working in tvtime, then it follows that it _should_ work in mythtv |
| [06:53:00] | netrix: | Juski: mine too, i had to set it with all the bttv cards i had. |
| [06:54:00] | netrix: | Darby: you got me thinking of maybe using this pvr350 to build my parents a mythtv box for xmas. hmmm. |
| [06:54:00] | Juski: | you can get some good hints on what the tuner is by looking at the metal can.. that at least gives you the manufacturer name usually |
| [06:55:00] | Kichigai: | Ohhh damn it. |
| [06:55:00] | Kichigai: | tvtime doesn't want to run at all on my MythBox |
| [06:55:00] | Juski: | netrix: with a PVR350 can you still play divx/xvid etc? (but without hardware assisted decoding, obviously) |
| [06:56:00] | Darby: | netrix: it would make a great present as long as you have ssh acsess just in case ;-) |
| [06:56:00] | Kichigai: | Apparently my XVideo port doesn't support YUV2 overlays. |
| [06:56:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: #1 rule of hardware with mythtv.. check it works in other programs before starting out with mythtv ;) |
| [06:57:00] | netrix: | Juski: i don't see why not, never tried it tho. i betcha the D man would know tho.... |
| [06:57:00] | Kichigai: | What about mplayer? |
| [06:58:00] | netrix: | Darby: so can it? |
| [06:58:00] | Darby: | you can play all of that, on my main box I have to change the receiver (different component) to get the sound and have a seperate output from the sound card |
| [06:58:00] | Juski: | I think xine works with analogue tuners |
| [06:58:00] | Darby: | from all the frontends it works seemlessly |
| [06:59:00] | Darby: | main box being the onr that outputs to the tv that is |
| [06:59:00] | Juski: | I've got my EPIA M10k able to play xvid & divx.. which is nice |
| [07:03:00] | Darby: | has anybody noticed issues with JFS after a powerout? |
| [07:03:00] | Juski: | looking fwd to the time when there are good linux drivers for the new Via EPIA baby... the HDTV capable mpeg4 decoder .. when we get HD over here it'll be mpeg4 for sure |
| [07:03:00] | Juski: | Darby: I've heard tales of serious FS corruption |
| [07:04:00] | Darby: | I've seen on several occasions where I have to manually fsck it to get it to mount |
| [07:04:00] | Juski: | Darby: same with XFS.. the old "I had a powerout, and fsck hasn't worked" line |
| [07:04:00] | Darby: | nothing's died yet |
| [07:04:00] | Juski: | Darby: time to get a UPS ;) |
| [07:05:00] | Darby: | hmm... I was hoping switching to XFS would help |
| [07:05:00] | Darby: | Yeah, *i* have a UPS, but it gets expensive to include them with presents ;-) |
| [07:05:00] | Juski: | I'd have thought they'd all be more robust than that though.. like maybe you'd just lose some changes |
| [07:06:00] | Darby: | Me too. I haven't lost anything AFAIK, but it's annoying |
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| [07:06:00] | Juski: | I use ext3, and in a year there've been maybe 2 outages (one was something blowing a trip in the kitchen and one was a real power cut)... it just came back up every time |
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| [07:08:00] | Juski: | not sure what FS ubuntu uses by default.. maybe that won't take a powercut so well either |
| [07:08:00] | Darby: | Yeah, it was only since I started with Myth that I even used JFS and ony because I read it was good with big files. ext3 and resiserfs have worked great. Heck, even ext2 has a better record for me in that respect |
| [07:10:00] | Darby: | the whole rest of the system comes up fine, just the JFS partitions don't mount :-( |
| [07:11:00] | Juski: | I've been noted before as saying I don't know what all the fuss is about the time it takes to delete a large file on ext3 |
| [07:12:00] | Darby: | well, I haven't actually tried it in a while. reiser is notoriously good at tlots of small files and notoriously bad at big files |
| [07:12:00] | Darby: | maybe ext3 will do the trick |
| [07:13:00] | cosmo_: | Darby, what distributon are you using? |
| [07:13:00] | Darby: | gentoo |
| [07:13:00] | Juski: | I still can't get over the fact we Linux users never need to defrag :D |
| [07:13:00] | Kichigai: | Anyone know if KnoppMyth supports any drivers other than just V4L/2? |
| [07:13:00] | Darby: | lol |
| [07:13:00] | cosmo_: | sweet, I havent been hear for the conversation, but is JFS stable or unstable for you/ |
| [07:14:00] | Darby: | works like a charm until the power goes out |
| [07:14:00] | cosmo_: | Juski: thats because linux doesn't have a disk fragmentation deamon |
| [07:14:00] | Darby: | then it won't mount until you manually run fsck |
| [07:14:00] | cosmo_: | Darby: so the data is lost? |
| [07:14:00] | Juski: | Kichigai: ivtv, and that'll be about it |
| [07:15:00] | Juski: | lol cosmo_ |
| [07:15:00] | Kichigai: | Odd. |
| [07:15:00] | Kichigai: | I'm tinkering with MPlayer. |
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| [07:15:00] | Darby: | I don't think so. It always recovers fine, but if you don't notice you can fill up / |
| [07:15:00] | Kichigai: | If I use V4L, I get norm not supported |
| [07:15:00] | Kichigai: | If I use V4L2, I get a green screen with some garbled output near the top. |
| [07:15:00] | Kichigai: | bsdbt848 and ivtv don't exist. |
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| [07:16:00] | Juski: | I might've known this was a knottmyth system, Kichigai |
| [07:16:00] | cosmo_: | Darby, How notoriously bad is resier for deleting these large files. I like my resiser, but Ive got a fresh system here, so I have the opportuinity to switch to JFS without too much trouble, I didn't start with it simply because the gentoo handbook claims it to be untested. |
| [07:16:00] | Darby: | cosmo: it's entirely possible that I'm just missing the right mount options |
| [07:17:00] | Juski: | from now on when I see the letters k n o p p in that sequence I go to sleep ;) |
| [07:17:00] | Juski: | fair play to the makers of knoppmyth, but people treat it as some kind of 'magic bullet' |
| [07:18:00] | Darby: | cosmo: I've really only seen it when the aforementioned jfs issues happen. so /video (where I have it mounted) is actually writing to / and I have to delete the file. It takes a lot longer. I was worried I hung up the system for a while. |
| [07:19:00] | Darby: | cosmo: I can't really say how long, just that it was a lot longer than I expected |
| [07:20:00] | Darby: | you can keep all your system partitions on whatever you like, it's only where the recorded videos are that matter |
| [07:21:00] | cosmo_: | Darby, I guess I'll have to make a bigass file and delete it manually, I dont see why it wouldn't be a good simulation. Im still waiting for my haupagge to get in the mail |
| [07:21:00] | Darby: | you might take Juski's advice and try ext3 for that |
| [07:21:00] | Darby: | that should be a perfect test |
| [07:21:00] | Juski: | big play is made of how long ext3 takes, but if I rm a file I seem to get the space back in no time |
| [07:22:00] | Juski: | I mean this can be on a 4GB file... rm doesn't seem to take _any_ longer |
| [07:22:00] | cosmo_: | hehe, cat /proc/kcore >> test, repeat 100 times |
| [07:22:00] | Juski: | and ok.. so ext3 isn't a riser FS ;) |
| [07:23:00] | cosmo_: | how big should I make my test file if I intend on recording with modest mpg2 settings? 3–4 gig? |
| [07:23:00] | Juski: | yeh 4 gig file should be enough |
| [07:23:00] | Juski: | right.. time to shake it & get to work |
| [07:23:00] | cosmo_: | thank got for ca |
| [07:23:00] | Juski: | see you when I get there |
| [07:23:00] | cosmo_: | t |
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| [07:25:00] | cosmo_: | when myth deletes a recorded file through the frontend, does it prohibit additional user input, and wait, or does it background the job of deleting the file? |
| [07:25:00] | cosmo_: | I plan on having a remote backend running 24–7 |
| [07:25:00] | Darby: | it hangs for a bit |
| [07:25:00] | cosmo_: | yuck |
| [07:26:00] | Darby: | it goes pretty quick with jfs. |
| [07:26:00] | cosmo_: | I bet |
| [07:26:00] | cosmo_: | have you tried with resiser? |
| [07:26:00] | Darby: | only rm, not through the rontend |
| [07:26:00] | cosmo_: | I mean, if it takes 4 seconds, im not terribly impatient. Id test it, but geesh its taking an eternity to assemble a 4 gig testfile |
| [07:27:00] | Darby: | just to createthe file? |
| [07:27:00] | cosmo_: | yeah |
| [07:27:00] | Darby: | hmmmm... not much experience there. |
| [07:27:00] | cosmo_: | right now Im catting a 1 gig file 4 times |
| [07:28:00] | cosmo_: | there we go |
| [07:29:00] | cosmo_: | 4.7 gig file, reiser 3.6, took 5 minutes to make it, 4.322 seconds to rm |
| [07:29:00] | Darby: | huh. not too bad, but it could seem like a long time if you were waiting for your tv to respond |
| [07:29:00] | cosmo_: | thats not all that bad. Guess I'll stick with reiser, but that you for confirming to me that JFS is stable in gentoo. Nobody in #gentoo had an opinion of it, so I veered away, but I will definitely use it next time |
| [07:30:00] | cosmo_: | oh, likely |
| [07:30:00] | cosmo_: | and, the disk is likely not fragged |
| [07:30:00] | Darby: | well, now I didn't exactly call it stabel ;-) |
| [07:30:00] | cosmo_: | how does linux survive without defragging? |
| [07:30:00] | cosmo_: | well, not unstable ;p |
| [07:31:00] | Darby: | the only problem I have ever seen was a powerloss |
| [07:31:00] | Darby: | fsck, mount fixed it perfectly |
| [07:31:00] | cosmo_: | im assuming your referring to house power loss right? Not like a hard drive spindown? |
| [07:31:00] | Darby: | no, like yanking the plug out |
| [07:31:00] | Darby: | not that I did that |
| [07:32:00] | cosmo_: | yeah, then it looks like JFS performed admirably, reiser wil do that to me too, insist on a fsck |
| [07:32:00] | Darby: | it didn't ask though. |
| [07:32:00] | cosmo_: | just didn't mount? |
| [07:32:00] | Darby: | it booted all the way up and just never mounted |
| [07:33:00] | Darby: | probably makes sense since it wasn't a system partition |
| [07:33:00] | cosmo_: | oh, cause its not your root partition perhaps |
| [07:33:00] | Darby: | yes |
| [07:33:00] | cosmo_: | jinx |
| [07:33:00] | cosmo_: | thanks for the advice Darby, off to bed, finals tomorrow, night all |
| [07:34:00] | Darby: | yeah, it took a couple times, but that's the first thing I check now if ther's a problem |
| [07:34:00] | Darby: | I'm off to bed too, good luck |
| [07:34:00] | cosmo_: | ;) |
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| [07:57:00] | Kichigai: | Is there a way to mass-edit the fine tuning on channels? |
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| [08:25:00] | juski: | another day of DVR related 'fun' (yay – not) |
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| [08:26:00] | Xenna: | update channel set finetune=finetune+50; |
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| [08:52:00] | nuonguy: | I guess the right people know that http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page seems to be pwned? |
| [08:53:00] | Xenna: | That's the great thi9ng about wiki's eh |
| [08:53:00] | nuonguy: | Um, no, not really, I don't think |
| [08:54:00] | Xenna: | As long as the ivtv code isn't 0wned |
| [08:54:00] | ** Xenna imagines his recording full of v1agra ** | |
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| [08:58:00] | nuonguy: | With the latest 2.6.14 kernels, does the line "alias char-major-81 videodev" still need to appear in /etc/modprobe.conf? |
| [08:58:00] | juski: | see, wikis are fun! |
| [08:58:00] | nuonguy: | The ivtv driver seems to put in "alias char-major-81 ivtv" |
| [08:59:00] | Xenna: | I have alias char-major-81 ivtv |
| [08:59:00] | Xenna: | no clue is it's required |
| [08:59:00] | Xenna: | if it's required |
| [08:59:00] | nuonguy: | See, I have both an ivtv card and an saa7134 card |
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| [09:00:00] | nuonguy: | So, I have char-major-81 videodev |
| [09:00:00] | nuonguy: | char-major-81–0 saa7134 |
| [09:00:00] | nuonguy: | char-major-81–1 ivtv |
| [09:01:00] | nuonguy: | Is that why my system something crashes when I install the nvidia driver? |
| [09:01:00] | Flimzy: | woot... I finally got myth compiled on my amd64 w/ firewire support |
| [09:01:00] | Flimzy: | now to install my sound cards and tv tuner, and get the kernel drivers working for 'em |
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| [09:01:00] | juski: | so do the ivtv driver modules tend to sit okay with v4l drivers? I'm only asking because I'm considering getting a PVR150 |
| [09:02:00] | Xenna: | juski: I belive part of the ivtv-0.4.0 install is moving the v4l drivers out of the way |
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| [09:03:00] | Xenna: | but version 5.0 should be part of v4l IIRC |
| [09:04:00] | juski: | Xenna: by 'out of the way' I assume you mean relocating them as opposed to deleting em |
| [09:04:00] | Xenna: | Yes, but deleting would work as well |
| [09:04:00] | Xenna: | there are conflictig module names like tuner.ko |
| [09:04:00] | juski: | can ivtv not happily co-exist with other drivers then? |
| [09:05:00] | Xenna: | I would think so |
| [09:05:00] | juski: | or is it a case of hanging on for 5.0? |
| [09:05:00] | Xenna: | but i haven't tried |
| [09:05:00] | Xenna: | yes, hang on for 5 |
| [09:06:00] | juski: | I was just thinking about it this morning.. my DVB tuners use a similar chipset so there might have been conflicts – I dunno. |
| [09:08:00] | nuonguy: | Any FC4 users have a /etc/modprobe.conf they can share? |
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| [09:09:00] | Xenna: | http://pastebin.ca/33359 |
| [09:09:00] | Xenna: | fwiw |
| [09:09:00] | nuonguy: | And you have some hauppage card or two or three? |
| [09:09:00] | nuonguy: | :-) |
| [09:10:00] | simcop2387: | i'm very close to having voice control on mythtv! |
| [09:10:00] | Xenna: | I'm now running with one PVR500 |
| [09:10:00] | nuonguy: | cool |
| [09:10:00] | Xenna: | I also have a PVR350 but they won't work together |
| [09:10:00] | simcop2387: | they wont? |
| [09:10:00] | nuonguy: | the 500 is the one with two tuners, right? |
| [09:10:00] | nuonguy: | Xenna: which kernel are you running? |
| [09:11:00] | Xenna: | I started out with all the stuff from the howto but commented most of it out on request of Hand Verkuil |
| [09:11:00] | Xenna: | Yes two tuners |
| [09:11:00] | Xenna: | A custom compiled 2.6.14 |
| [09:11:00] | nuonguy: | but did you start with 1644? |
| [09:12:00] | Xenna: | 1637 |
| [09:13:00] | Xenna: | Well actually I started out with 2.6.13–1.1532_FC4 but I yum upgraded to 14 |
| [09:13:00] | nuonguy: | on a slightly different topic: are there any known issues when running a big LVM on one kernel, then rebooting with another kernel? |
| [09:14:00] | nuonguy: | I'm not sure yet, but doing that seems to foobar my LVM |
| [09:14:00] | nuonguy: | I built it with 1644, seemed ok |
| [09:14:00] | Xenna: | dunno |
| [09:14:00] | nuonguy: | rebooted with 1637, and that's when my troubles began |
| [09:14:00] | Xenna: | LVM is one oof these things that I should look into sometime ;) |
| [09:15:00] | nuonguy: | Well, I'm forging away |
| [09:15:00] | nuonguy: | And when the time comes, hopefully I'll be able to help |
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| [09:19:00] | simcop2387: | this is why i don't like binary kernels not compiled by me |
| [09:20:00] | nuonguy: | simcopy2387: um, I don't understand. Why? |
| [09:21:00] | simcop2387: | it seems like she/he updated her kernel and things broke |
| [09:21:00] | simcop2387: | i'm not paying attention either so i could be wrong |
| [09:21:00] | juski: | you never know for sure if everything you need is in there |
| [09:21:00] | juski: | and it means you can't 'rice' it lol |
| [09:22:00] | simcop2387: | does anyone else here think that speech recognition for jump points, channel changing, and other things would be neat? (i'll have a working demo using cmu sphinx and perl in a day or two) |
| [09:22:00] | nuonguy: | yeah! |
| [09:22:00] | nuonguy: | How do you make sure background/tv noise doesn't interfere? |
| [09:22:00] | simcop2387: | keep the microphone closer to you? |
| [09:22:00] | nuonguy: | ya think? |
| [09:23:00] | nuonguy: | duh! |
| [09:23:00] | nuonguy: | Does it require a good mic? |
| [09:23:00] | simcop2387: | dunno |
| [09:23:00] | juski: | does it take much CPU? ;) |
| [09:23:00] | simcop2387: | i borrowed one from my gf |
| [09:23:00] | simcop2387: | let me check |
| [09:23:00] | nuonguy: | Is it a studio mic or just a plain gaming headset? |
| [09:24:00] | simcop2387: | gaming headset should be fine |
| [09:24:00] | simcop2387: | doesn't even use 1% of my cpu continuously |
| [09:24:00] | simcop2387: | 2.4ghz athlon 64 in 64bit |
| [09:24:00] | nuonguy: | I love the fact that you wouldn't have to move at all to change channels! |
| [09:24:00] | simcop2387: | nuonguy: well speaking moves your jaw |
| [09:25:00] | juski: | I think I'll just stick with my remote if it's all the same. |
| [09:25:00] | Xenna: | Great for disabled people |
| [09:25:00] | simcop2387: | juski: i probably will too but its a neat idea and depending on how long it takes me to build a quick language model for it i could have it done in a day, imagine saying "TV weather" and it gives you mythweather |
| [09:26:00] | simcop2387: | or "tv porn" and it goes to videos |
| [09:26:00] | Xenna: | that's where handsfree operation would come in 'handy' |
| [09:26:00] | simcop2387: | lol |
| [09:26:00] | nuonguy: | heh heh heh |
| [09:26:00] | nuonguy: | I get it |
| [09:26:00] | juski: | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [09:26:00] | simcop2387: | pause, rewind, speed up, slow down, exit |
| [09:26:00] | juski: | gets misrecognised as delete lol |
| [09:26:00] | Xenna: | repeat! |
| [09:26:00] | ** nuonguy tries to keep from snickering ** | |
| [09:27:00] | simcop2387: | lol |
| [09:28:00] | simcop2387: | cmu sphinx doesn't seem to be doing a bad job of recognizing my voice, and the gentoo ebuilds seem to have set it up painlessly (only problem is building the language model i think) |
| [09:35:00] | simcop2387: | with a larger language model its about 75% accurate on words, i can't get it to understand "nine" at all |
| [09:37:00] | juski: | maybe you need the German language installed ;) |
| [09:39:00] | simcop2387: | lol |
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| [09:55:00] | Xenna: | change it into 'niner' |
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| [10:00:00] | Xenna: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FAA_Phonet . . . se_Chart.gif |
| [10:00:00] | Xenna: | Or make it understand morse |
| [10:02:00] | juski: | use a webcam & hand-gesture recognition ;) |
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| [10:04:00] | juski: | ahh that won't work so well for watching pr0n will it? lol |
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| [10:27:00] | Flimzy: | I'm unable to load the ivtv driver properly... complains that it can't locate the firmware. I've put the firmware images in /lib/firmware, and symlinked to /lib/modules as well, to be on the safe side... |
| [10:27:00] | Flimzy: | what am I missing? |
| [10:30:00] | Xenna: | what ivtv version? |
| [10:30:00] | Flimzy: | 0.4 |
| [10:31:00] | Xenna: | There's also a hotplug mechanism, maybe it's compiled to use that |
| [10:32:00] | Xenna: | mine are in /lib/modules |
| [10:32:00] | Flimzy: | I followed the instructions in the howto for Debian |
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| [11:35:00] | davro: | Just going to buy the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 350 PCI (993), any known problems with this hardware ? price £99.51 inc vat |
| [11:37:00] | juski: | davro: no known problems but why waste money on a pvr350? you can have a pvr150 & a proper graphics card for about the same money or less ;) |
| [11:40:00] | davro: | kinda limited space, mini itx, MII 12000 only have one pci space and agp space. |
| [11:41:00] | davro: | and no agp space |
| [11:41:00] | juski: | mini-itx? just use its onboard output then |
| [11:41:00] | juski: | I use an M10000 & find it excellent quality |
| [11:42:00] | juski: | svideo is very good. composite (as usual), much less so |
| [11:42:00] | juski: | and it copes _very_ well with my mpeg2 recordings (and divx/xvid files too) |
| [11:42:00] | juski: | for the same money you could get a PVR500 instead ;) |
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| [11:43:00] | juski: | 2 tuners in the space of one, and a PVR with only 1 tuner is kinda lame |
| [11:44:00] | davro: | right, will be using a lcd screen for watching output, just really wondering about the Hauppage card. |
| [11:44:00] | juski: | davro: the 350 doesn't have a VGA output anyway – just svid/composite |
| [11:45:00] | davro: | right so the 350 is really not that good, quite overated then ?, looking for the PVR 500 |
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| [11:46:00] | juski: | davro: I don't think you can go far wrong with the EPIA onboard video, especially with its onboard decoder ;) |
| [11:47:00] | fatmatt: | anyone using vncserver to start a script? |
| [11:47:00] | fatmatt: | actually forget that |
| [11:48:00] | davro: | juski, EPIA onboard video, in lost here ? but i still need the tv card right ? |
| [11:48:00] | juski: | davro: the EPIA board have onboard VGA |
| [11:48:00] | juski: | but you still need a tuner/capture card |
| [11:48:00] | juski: | and most EPIA boards also have TV outputs |
| [11:49:00] | juski: | but if your LCD has VGA you have no need to worry, and the quality will be very good |
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| [11:51:00] | davro: | Cool need tuner/capture card, LCD is standard PC screen no VGA, right see the problem i think. |
| [11:52:00] | juski: | LCD is standard PC screen, so in that case it will be able to take output straight from your motherboard |
| [11:53:00] | davro: | Just looking at the PVR 500 http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=176820 |
| [11:53:00] | juski: | they do a good deal there. not sure their postage costs are fair though |
| [11:55:00] | davro: | PVR 500 £120.44, inc vat inc carriage. |
| [11:55:00] | juski: | not bad at alll |
| [11:56:00] | juski: | davro: in all probability you'll be able to side-step using the TV output of the MII board altogether – & just hook the monitor up to the standard monitor port onboard |
| [11:57:00] | juski: | in which case you really would have been wasting money on the 350 card |
| [11:57:00] | davro: | Right need to purchace this monster, to give me something todo over christmas period. |
| [11:58:00] | davro: | Thank juski for the advice, after looking at the 350 it does seem a bit of a white elephant |
| [12:01:00] | juski: | davro: it's ok for some people, but it's looking a bit long in the tooth now I think |
| [12:02:00] | juski: | and you'll _really_ benefit having another tuner ;) |
| [12:06:00] | davro: | Yup quite a nice card, with radio and a groovy remote control and Infra red reciver, what more could i ask for christmas. |
| [12:09:00] | davro: | Damn Christmas comes early, Estimated Despatch Date Tuesday, 13 December |
| [12:10:00] | juski: | least they've got your card in stock, davro. I'm waiting for em to get some more 150 cards in.. cheapest price in the UK, even beateing 2nd hand sales on Ebay |
| [12:15:00] | davro: | Brilliant just ordered, and a good deal, buy the sound of it. |
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| [12:27:00] | juski: | lol @ 'some of these ebay sellers.. jack daniels bottles.. 'contents not intended for consumption'.. hmm maybe they're flogging cold tea in Jack Daniels' bottles then. |
| [12:30:00] | davro: | cold tea, proberly better for you in the long run. |
| [12:31:00] | juski: | hahaha |
| [12:32:00] | juski: | trying to find some Cachacha too |
| [12:33:00] | juski: | I think it's kinda lame collecting JD bottles if you never drink the stuff, but hey.. |
| [12:34:00] | juski: | to each their own ;) |
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| [13:49:00] | t00m: | anyone recorded surface 1x03? can't find it |
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| [13:55:00] | CyberSanta: | ah, i'd so love to own a tv tuner card :( |
| [13:56:00] | t00m: | so thought i |
| [13:56:00] | t00m: | now i hate it |
| [13:56:00] | ** laga loves his pvr 250 ** | |
| [13:56:00] | t00m: | cause i don't have enough money to buy a machine that is able to do hdtv |
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| [13:56:00] | t00m: | or play live tv at all |
| [13:56:00] | t00m: | encoding video at 1 fps really sux |
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| [14:07:00] | t00m: | does that --slow option in tv_grab do anything for australian tv guide ? |
| [14:07:00] | t00m: | i turned it on and there does not seem to be more information in the guide |
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| [14:08:00] | danieldk: | hello |
| [14:11:00] | eidolon: | t00m: there's a certain level of investment / committment you need to make when building a mythtv box. $500 is about minimum to get a functional machine and tuner card. |
| [14:11:00] | eidolon: | if you don't do that, you're never going to be happy with the results. |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | eidolon: well, many people already have at least some hardware lying around they can use for their mythtv box |
| [14:12:00] | eidolon: | i assumed the investment included scavaging :) |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | k ;) |
| [14:13:00] | eidolon: | i re-used an older Athlon box i had. but few folks have tuner cards just sitting in spare parts boxes :) |
| [14:13:00] | t00m: | eidolon: well, i paid 50 bucks for an old case having an amd700 with 640M RAM and a power supply, $139 for a dvb card, $69 for a tv out graphics card and $117 for a harddrive. that makes it 380 |
| [14:13:00] | laga: | hehe, yep. |
| [14:14:00] | Xenna: | I spent about 700 EUR for my box |
| [14:14:00] | t00m: | now, i could buy an amd 2000+ for20 bucks from ebay which would probably quite bored using 133MHz bus speed.. |
| [14:15:00] | eidolon: | yah, that's a fairly weak CPU. :( |
| [14:15:00] | t00m: | and also 1600MHz clock, cause that's probably all the board can do |
| [14:16:00] | t00m: | i'm just trying to decide what to buy first |
| [14:16:00] | danieldk: | well. depending on your requirements – one could use a much slover cpu and hauppauge 350.. |
| [14:16:00] | t00m: | but you can't buy hauppauge in australia |
| [14:16:00] | t00m: | i tried it |
| [14:16:00] | danieldk: | damn |
| [14:16:00] | Xenna: | weird |
| [14:16:00] | t00m: | well, you could have it shipped for 60 bucks or so |
| [14:17:00] | eidolon: | (i'm running a pvr150 on an athlon 1400 w/512meg) |
| [14:17:00] | Xenna: | that's only $30 per tuner if you get a PVR500 |
| [14:17:00] | eidolon: | heh |
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| [14:17:00] | t00m: | yeah, but about $300 more than i paid now |
| [14:17:00] | t00m: | or 100% |
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| [14:18:00] | t00m: | anyway, i don't want to complain |
| [14:18:00] | t00m: | it's all my fault :) |
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| [14:22:00] | Xenna: | t00m: http://www.newmagic.com.au/NM_FS_MAIN.html?ht . . . uppauge.html |
| [14:22:00] | Xenna: | Lots of Hauppauge sellers in AU |
| [14:22:00] | t00m: | hmh |
| [14:22:00] | Xenna: | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=hauppauge&a . . . amp;safe=off |
| [14:24:00] | t00m: | any of them in perth? |
| [14:24:00] | t00m: | or free delivery to.. |
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| [14:26:00] | t00m: | ok. maybe i'm too picky |
| [14:26:00] | t00m: | or maybe i assumed that the difference between a hauppauge and $sthelse couldn't be that big |
| [14:26:00] | Xenna: | Too lazy more like |
| [14:27:00] | Xenna: | You want me to find out if there are any in Perth? |
| [14:27:00] | t00m: | no |
| [14:27:00] | t00m: | i'm not going to get one anyway |
| [14:28:00] | t00m: | pvr500 has an mpeg decoder onboard right? |
| [14:29:00] | Xenna: | two encoders, no decoders |
| [14:29:00] | t00m: | hm, so why would it be better that the one i have now? |
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| [14:29:00] | t00m: | hm |
| [14:29:00] | t00m: | wrong button? |
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| [14:34:00] | juski: | yay! scan have pvr150s in stock again :) pity I have a radiator to fit in my livingroom tonight :-/ |
| [14:37:00] | laga: | hehe ;) |
| [14:37:00] | laga: | just overclock your mythtv box, should give you enough heat |
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| [14:39:00] | rjune: | LOL |
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| [14:57:00] | juski: | I saw a thing on overclocking TV cards a few months ago.. looks feasible ;) |
| [14:59:00] | fryfrog: | overclocking tv card is so last year and uncool. overclock your *sound* card for the real performance benefit |
| [14:59:00] | fryfrog: | make 5.1 surround sound in 5.8 |
| [14:59:00] | juski: | rice the damn lot! :D |
| [14:59:00] | t00m: | makes it 50 fps instead? :) |
| [15:00:00] | fryfrog: | my sound card is *SOOO* overclocked, i had to put a wing on it |
| [15:00:00] | juski: | everything works faster & better if it has flashing LEDs on it |
| [15:00:00] | fryfrog: | and yellow stripes |
| [15:00:00] | juski: | and if you subject it to UV light |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | all goes to nothing if you don't overclock the cabling though |
| [15:02:00] | dev-: | my type-r sticker on the case gives it an extra 50mhz |
| [15:03:00] | laga: | i use 100% oxygen-free copper wire for my hard disks. i'm talking about udma 266 here. |
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| [15:04:00] | juski: | I have oxygen free air in my server room :P |
| [15:04:00] | laga: | juski: wow. that rocks. i bet it flys (especially if it's propane) |
| [15:04:00] | juski: | methane's also good ;) |
| [15:05:00] | juski: | 'powered by Juski's chilli (tm)' |
| [15:05:00] | laga: | too much information ;) |
| [15:09:00] | juski: | lol |
| [15:10:00] | ** juski tries to look busy til hometime ** | |
| [15:10:00] | laga: | umm. try psdoom, network administration tool of choice |
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| [15:13:00] | juski: | I'm only the admin for 127.0.0.1 |
| [15:14:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [15:14:00] | juski: | it's big responsibility though |
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| [15:16:00] | psofa: | from the mythfilldatabase help |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | --xawchannels <sourceid> <xawtvrcfile> |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | (--manual flag works in combination with this) |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | Read channels as defined in xawtvrc file given |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | <sourceid> = cardinput |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | <xawtvrcfile> = file to read |
| [15:16:00] | psofa: | what do i put in sourceid i dont get it |
| [15:17:00] | juski: | psofa: what did you call the video source in mythtv? |
| [15:17:00] | psofa: | ok thanks :D |
| [15:18:00] | laga: | nope |
| [15:18:00] | fryfrog: | deos anyone know that ricer website? |
| [15:18:00] | laga: | the sourceid is, well, the id of the video sourc,e not it's name |
| [15:18:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: gentoo is for ricers http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| [15:18:00] | fryfrog: | with the pics of ricers seen in the wild? |
| [15:18:00] | laga: | psofa: if you only have one video source, "1" could work. check the mysql db |
| [15:18:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: that one? |
| [15:18:00] | fryfrog: | nah, the one about real ricers... not those retarded gentoo users :) |
| [15:18:00] | rjune: | or is this like that MILF hunter website? |
| [15:19:00] | juski: | laga: oopsie :) |
| [15:20:00] | laga: | juski: ;) |
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| [15:39:00] | fryfrog: | i didn't find the one i remember, but i found http://anti-rice.com |
| [15:39:00] | fryfrog: | it was plenty amusing :) |
| [15:42:00] | psofa: | i get some crappy pauses in livetv |
| [15:42:00] | psofa: | on an athlon 1200 with the default settings of mythtv |
| [15:43:00] | laga: | well, fiddle with the default settings then |
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| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | what kind of card? what is your cpu usage while playing? |
| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | does it happen when playing back recorded poop? |
| [15:46:00] | t00m: | what do you guys use to cut out commercials? |
| [15:46:00] | sphing: | myth? |
| [15:46:00] | opello: | edit mode? |
| [15:47:00] | t00m: | that does it frame per frame? |
| [15:47:00] | t00m: | never used that, cause i don't have nuvexport installed, yet |
| [15:47:00] | psofa: | fryfrog, 80% cpu usage, plain crappy bt8x8 card |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | Thunderbird ~ # hdparm -T -t /dev/hdf3 |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | /dev/hdf3: |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | Timing cached reads: 780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 389.98 MB/sec |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.04 seconds = 19.10 MB/sec |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | hmm |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | that seems bad |
| [15:48:00] | psofa: | isnt it? |
| [15:48:00] | dev-: | yes |
| [15:48:00] | dev-: | very bad |
| [15:49:00] | fryfrog: | not bad enough to stuter your video |
| [15:49:00] | laga: | should be sufficient, though |
| [15:49:00] | fryfrog: | 20MB/sec >>>>> 5mbit/sec |
| [15:49:00] | psofa: | 2005-12–12 19:45:26.993 prebuffering pause |
| [15:50:00] | psofa: | everytime i get a stutter that comes in the log |
| [15:50:00] | sphing: | psofa: try lowering your bitrate that worked for me |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | or the resolution |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | and consider buying a pvr 150, they're cheap and awesome |
| [15:50:00] | psofa: | ok ill fiddle with it |
| [15:51:00] | juski: | or try making your screen res closer to the size of the actual video. .scaling can have an impact too I think |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | scaling should only have an impact when Xv isn't avaiable, i think. or in DTV environments |
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| [15:52:00] | juski: | ah okees |
| [15:52:00] | psofa: | im using xv.or at least xv is working.what does mythtv use for live tv |
| [15:52:00] | psofa: | by default |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | (why does nobody tell me that i'm spelling available wrong?) |
| [15:53:00] | juski: | I'm keeping schtum – been talking crap all day |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | heheh ;) |
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| [15:54:00] | fryfrog: | i think most seasoned irc users have auto-spelling conversion |
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| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | i don't even flinch at "teh" :) |
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| [15:55:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [15:55:00] | laga: | i should use gaim for IRC, it has a spell checker ;) |
| [15:55:00] | sphing: | its not spelled teh? |
| [15:55:00] | laga: | sphing: nope, d00d |
| [15:55:00] | sphing: | ha |
| [15:57:00] | psofa: | erm isnt dma supposed to be faster even in an ancient 8gb hd?? |
| [15:58:00] | sphing: | jes |
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| [16:00:00] | psofa: | does this benchmark clearly show that i have no dma? |
| [16:03:00] | laga: | psofa: hdparm -d /dev/hdX |
| [16:03:00] | psofa: | hdparm says dma is on |
| [16:04:00] | sphing: | then its on |
| [16:04:00] | psofa: | but i dont believe it :( |
| [16:04:00] | laga: | 19mb/s is way toon fast for dma not being enabled |
| [16:04:00] | sphing: | toon? |
| [16:04:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [16:05:00] | laga: | too* ;) |
| [16:09:00] | sphing: | my deks has entirely too many cables |
| [16:15:00] | psofa: | where do i choose the livetv options? |
| [16:16:00] | juski: | right. that's it. time to go home & do my Super Mario impression |
| [16:17:00] | laga: | psofa: recording profiles |
| [16:17:00] | psofa: | for livetv too? |
| [16:17:00] | juski: | laters guys & gals |
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| [16:18:00] | laga: | psofa: i think so. |
| [16:20:00] | psofa: | what should i set resolution to? |
| [16:20:00] | psofa: | right now is 480 480 |
| [16:21:00] | laga: | try 320x240. |
| [16:23:00] | psofa: | hmm the quality was crap already |
| [16:24:00] | psofa: | why did it fall to 20% usage? it was 70% .can the resolution make that much difference |
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| [16:29:00] | psofa: | even at 50% usage the video isnt smooth |
| [16:29:00] | psofa: | i get no pauses |
| [16:29:00] | psofa: | but it doesnt feel smooth |
| [16:30:00] | sphing: | psofa: what card? |
| [16:31:00] | psofa: | bt8x8 |
| [16:31:00] | psofa: | tvtime complained that i didnt have rtc module anabled and that my video would be crappy that way |
| [16:31:00] | psofa: | does mythtv want that too? |
| [16:35:00] | poop: | psofaa: What codec are you using? |
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| [16:39:00] | psofa: | the default |
| [16:39:00] | psofa: | rtjpeg |
| [16:40:00] | poop: | I used to use rtjpeg on a dual celeron 500 with a 13GB IDE drive, but I had to keep my settings low. |
| [16:41:00] | psofa: | would mpeg4 be better? |
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| [16:46:00] | poop: | psofa: That machine probably couldn't do real-time mpeg4 |
| [16:47:00] | poop: | psofa: svn or 0.18.1? |
| [16:47:00] | psofa: | using 50% cpu and mpeg4 |
| [16:47:00] | psofa: | 0.18.1 |
| [16:48:00] | psofa: | the hd is farting constantly |
| [16:48:00] | poop: | HD? |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | stop feeding it beans |
| [16:48:00] | psofa: | nope |
| [16:48:00] | psofa: | regular crappy tv |
| [16:48:00] | poop: | I didn't know what you mean by "hd." |
| [16:48:00] | poop: | meant |
| [16:48:00] | psofa: | hard disk |
| [16:49:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [16:49:00] | poop: | psofa: Did you try all the audio settings? |
| [16:49:00] | psofa: | havent changed audio settings |
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| [16:49:00] | poop: | aggressive this, extra that, mp3 vs. raw ... |
| [16:49:00] | psofa: | bcause i have not setted up the sound |
| [16:49:00] | psofa: | :d |
| [16:49:00] | psofa: | mp3 vs raw wouldnt make that much difference imho |
| [16:50:00] | psofa: | and it isnt a cpu usage issue |
| [16:50:00] | psofa: | its a synchronisation issue |
| [16:50:00] | poop: | It could be an IO issue, and you have to balance all this |
| [16:50:00] | poop: | mythtv is enormously complex |
| [16:51:00] | psofa: | so my hard drive scoring 19mb/sec could be holding it back? |
| [16:51:00] | laga: | i dont think so |
| [16:51:00] | psofa: | so whats the problem |
| [16:51:00] | psofa: | cpu usage is 50% |
| [16:52:00] | sphing: | i remember reading a thread about an sql command to fix the daily show listings... anyone have a link? |
| [16:52:00] | psofa: | no hd problem |
| [16:52:00] | poop: | psofa: Try _changing_ all the settings. |
| [16:52:00] | poop: | If you thought mythtv was going to work out of the box, you've learned your lesson. |
| [16:52:00] | psofa: | hmm yes its been 2 weeks since i installed it |
| [16:53:00] | psofa: | setting up the tv is the easiest part of the mythtv things |
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| [17:01:00] | xris: | morning, all... |
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| [17:02:00] | wole: | hello peeps. |
| [17:03:00] | wole: | after a little advice... |
| [17:03:00] | js2638: | morning |
| [17:03:00] | wole: | anyone know how to schedule myth to record everything on a channel? |
| [17:04:00] | laga: | wole: you can probably create a custom recording...wait a sec |
| [17:04:00] | poop: | The wole thing? |
| [17:04:00] | js2638: | spice? |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | .oO(...dutch porn channels?...) |
| [17:05:00] | wole: | laga: yeah, i had a look at thet, but it would be good if it could cut the rec up into progs, not just one big prog.. |
| [17:05:00] | poop: | Respect the perv^Wgentleman's privacy, please. |
| [17:05:00] | wole: | laga: lol, no I am a teacher, wanting o record teachers tv |
| [17:05:00] | laga: | poop: yessir, i'm sorry. |
| [17:06:00] | laga: | a teacher? i'm currently doing my homework which leads to some umm dislike concerning teachers ;) |
| [17:06:00] | js2638: | I try to watch spice from time to time, but I swear after a few minutes, I always seem to lose interst |
| [17:06:00] | ** laga prefers home shopping TV anyways ** | |
| [17:06:00] | wole: | *hides* ;-) |
| [17:06:00] | laga: | wole: well. you can set up recording rules using regular expressions. |
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| [17:06:00] | js2638: | but sometimes, an hour or so later, i go back to see how it ends |
| [17:07:00] | laga: | wole: using something like % or * (a wildcard, i mean), you would match all shows |
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| [17:07:00] | laga: | wole: on all channels, of course, but you can easily limit that to your favourite dutch...teacher channel. ;) |
| [17:07:00] | poop: | Exta sound buffering helps playback in svn, but doesn't completely fix it |
| [17:07:00] | poop: | (HD) |
| [17:07:00] | wole: | laga: but will that allow me to tie the start and end points of the recordings to the start and end of the progs in the listings? |
| [17:08:00] | js2638: | would it be easier to write an sql statement to record all where channel = x? |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | wole: yes, of course. it will match the programs as they are listed and umm record them. |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | js2638: that's basically what i'm talking about. it's an option in the frontend. |
| [17:09:00] | wole: | laga: cool, where in the frontend do i fin that? |
| [17:09:00] | wole: | loag: oops, not in front end.. |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | wole: umm. |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | no, it's in the frontend |
| [17:09:00] | laga: | but i'm running the german translation, so i can't tell you ;) |
| [17:10:00] | laga: | it's above "manual schedule" in the "schedule recordings" screen |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | you should be able to come up with something. it probably won't be easy but it's possible ;) |
| [17:13:00] | laga: | yay, there's already an example. "only on a specific station" ;) |
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| [17:14:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – if i want to get HDTV channels on my MythTV box – what's the easiest way? |
| [17:14:00] | poop: | abarb: firewire from your STB |
| [17:14:00] | sphing: | abarbaccia: have you tried firewire |
| [17:15:00] | poop: | Well, easiest in the sense that it doesn't work most of the time but it won't cost you much |
| [17:15:00] | wole: | laga: cool, i managed it. channel.callsign LIKE "Teachers%" AND (HOUR(program.starttime) <6 OR HOUR(program.starttime) >=24 |
| [17:15:00] | wole: | thanks |
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| [17:16:00] | sphing: | is there a reason duplicates arent matched by episode number? |
| [17:16:00] | js2638: | how about insert into record select chanid starttime title seriesid programid from program where chanid = x; ??? |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | wole: no problem. you don't happen to want to do my homework? ;)) |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | js2638: lame. ;) |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | js2638: and you would have to repeat that, wouldn't you? after some time, i mean. |
| [17:18:00] | js2638: | or just chron job it with mythfilldatabase |
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| [17:18:00] | laga: | js2638: there's already a facility in mythtv that does what he wants. why would he want to bother with 'ugly' sql hacks? |
| [17:18:00] | jonK: | i though you had concluded there was not the ability to do it from frontend |
| [17:19:00] | laga: | jonK: i don't think so |
| [17:19:00] | jonK: | then nevermind.. i'll get back to me real job |
| [17:19:00] | laga: | ;) |
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| [17:25:00] | Krazylegz: | laga: Do you work, or are you just a student right now? |
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| [17:26:00] | jams: | laga is more then "just a student" |
| [17:26:00] | Krazylegz: | He is the teacher. |
| [17:26:00] | Krazylegz: | Der Professor. |
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| [17:28:00] | wole: | laga: what subject? |
| [17:28:00] | laga: | i'm just a student ;). |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | wole: i was just kidding about that. i'm already done, wikipedia and my "print" button helped me a lot :) |
| [17:30:00] | laga: | jams: more than just a student? frankenstein's monster?! |
| [17:31:00] | poop: | I'd like to amend my earlier comment about firewire to "hardly ever works" |
| [17:31:00] | wole: | laga: lol, we check for that here. I did find a student who had written a script for word that changed words that he had cut and pasted using the thesaurus. Quite clever really. |
| [17:31:00] | poop: | Re: mythtv of course (since firewire is great) |
| [17:32:00] | laga: | wole: wow, that's quite sophisticated. but i don't have to turn my homework in, so i won't get in trouble. ;) |
| [17:32:00] | wole: | laga: thats ok then :-) |
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| [17:35:00] | wole: | Anyone know where the password file for avimanager is kept? |
| [17:36:00] | laga: | wole: in the mythconverg database, in the settings table. |
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| [17:39:00] | wole: | laga:hmm, can't seem to find it, what is the value? (maybe it's not there by default) |
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| [17:45:00] | abarbaccia: | guys – whats the easiest way to get firewire into my box if its not on my motherboard (which im really pissed about) and i have no pci slots avail |
| [17:45:00] | abarbaccia: | i could take out the wireless NIC but i would rather not have to hard wire it |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | ummm, likely by removing the motherboard and putting in a better one |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | if you have no PCI slots available, and it's not on the mobo, yer screwed |
| [17:46:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha – dammit – this is a brand new MB |
| [17:47:00] | abarbaccia: | shoulda thought about the FW potential when i bought it |
| [17:47:00] | abarbaccia: | oh well – maybe i should take out that wireless nic |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | we all get caught like that at times |
| [17:47:00] | abarbaccia: | pants down |
| [17:47:00] | abarbaccia: | yep |
| [17:47:00] | abarbaccia: | lets think here – are there any USB wireless NIC's that work well with linux? |
| [17:48:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | sounds like a job for super-google |
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| [17:48:00] | abarbaccia: | i'd say so |
| [17:49:00] | poop: | I bought a board with firewire, but linux can't use it. |
| [17:49:00] | poop: | So don't feel too bad |
| [17:50:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, that would make me more upset than i am right now |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | so would falling over |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:51:00] | wole: | abarbaccia: http://www.sbs.com/products/361/ |
| [17:52:00] | wole: | abarbaccia: there are cheaper 3 or 4 port versions |
| [17:52:00] | wole: | abarbaccia: but i dont know who make them. :( |
| [17:53:00] | abarbaccia: | woah |
| [17:53:00] | abarbaccia: | wole, i'm going for small form factor living room box here |
| [17:53:00] | wole: | aah |
| [17:53:00] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [17:53:00] | abarbaccia: | it would be a little overkill – nevermind the fact that the card is the size of my case! |
| [17:53:00] | poop: | Firewire doesn't work in mythv. Don't bother. |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | sure it does, last I heard |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | to specific cable boxes |
| [17:54:00] | poop: | Beirdo: Read the archives. |
| [17:54:00] | poop: | It rarely works. |
| [17:54:00] | abarbaccia: | are you sure? i think jarrod has it on his guide? |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | poop: archives of what? |
| [17:55:00] | poop: | Beirdo: The mythtv mailing lists. |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | you think people that have it working perfectly are going to post every day saying it works? |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | don't forget, many users are dumb |
| [17:55:00] | Bonkers: | abarbaccia: I bougth a UB-424B I think it was, it seems to work most of the time but needs ndiswrapper, it was supposed to have a zd1211 chipset which has native drivers, but I got version 2 of the thing which apparnetly uses the sis163u chipset that only has windows drivers currently |
| [17:55:00] | poop: | I'd be willing to wager that not many people are using it.` |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | don't discount the possibility of pebcalk |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | pebcak rather |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | stupid fat fingers |
| [17:56:00] | Bonkers: | heh, and for myth, that c could easily be couch |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | people bitching that it doesn't work may just mean they haven't figured it out, or can't read directions |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | I'm rather.. cynical... |
| [17:57:00] | laga: | wole: sorry, dunno much about mythvideo. |
| [17:57:00] | laga: | ndiswrapper isn't very nice. |
| [17:57:00] | poop: | um, there are no directions for firewire |
| [17:58:00] | abarbaccia: | thats why mythtv is a DIY project |
| [17:58:00] | abarbaccia: | its not susposed to just work – or else it would be no fun! |
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| [17:59:00] | abarbaccia: | i just bought a 32" LCD high def TV for my apartment at college (my roommates now love me to death) – but i'm thinking of building a projector from those online plans – what do you guys think |
| [17:59:00] | abarbaccia: | high def projector in your bedroom at college |
| [17:59:00] | poop: | I think you'll end up with a crappy projector. |
| [17:59:00] | laga: | whatever, you can donate the TV to me ;) |
| [17:59:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha |
| [18:00:00] | abarbaccia: | poop woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | poop needs to get back in the toilet |
| [18:00:00] | poop: | Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to spend your $500 to find out. |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | meeting time |
| [18:00:00] | poop: | Of course, you'll also have to go demo some real projectors to compare. |
| [18:01:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i mean it should only cost me like 400 |
| [18:01:00] | abarbaccia: | and it would be a sweet project |
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| [18:01:00] | abarbaccia: | i'm going on co-op next semester – working a real job instead of going to school – so i need something to keep me busy |
| [18:01:00] | abarbaccia: | it would be a challenge |
| [18:01:00] | laga: | .oO(..get a life?... ;) |
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| [18:02:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha – trust me – i have plenty of a social life – its just tough to party when u have work every weekday |
| [18:02:00] | laga: | hehe, it should be fun, of course. but it could also be very frustrating. what are you talking about, putting a laptop screen on an OHP? |
| [18:02:00] | abarbaccia: | nope – you take apart an LCD and build an enclosure around it |
| [18:02:00] | abarbaccia: | smaller – better bulbs and lenses |
| [18:03:00] | wole: | laga: found it, avimanager default user & pass is admin admin |
| [18:04:00] | abarbaccia: | http://www.lumenlab.com/ |
| [18:05:00] | ** wole is off home ** | |
| [18:06:00] | abarbaccia: | laga u check out that link? |
| [18:07:00] | laga: | wait a sec |
| [18:07:00] | laga: | For just $19.99, a Lumenlab Premium Membership will show you how! |
| [18:07:00] | laga: | sounds like scam. |
| [18:07:00] | abarbaccia: | nah |
| [18:08:00] | abarbaccia: | its actually legit – they've been around for a while – and they released a free version of the plans |
| [18:08:00] | abarbaccia: | its been /.'ed a few times |
| [18:08:00] | laga: | tomshardwareguide has a howto as well, you could check that out, too. though the lumenlab stuff might work better |
| [18:08:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i mean i'd probably use a combination of the two and go off on my own a bit too |
| [18:08:00] | laga: | ooh, quake. *drool* |
| [18:09:00] | abarbaccia: | i'm just thinkin where i can get the best screen for cheapest rice |
| [18:09:00] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [18:09:00] | laga: | yep, tinkering is fun. ;) |
| [18:09:00] | abarbaccia: | quake |
| [18:09:00] | abarbaccia: | if im not wrong you'd want the smallest LCD with highest resolution and contrast ratio |
| [18:09:00] | laga: | well, the tomshardwareguide guys use an old laptop. though you're going to be more flexible with a real lcd screen |
| [18:09:00] | laga: | sounds good |
| [18:09:00] | laga: | and cheap ;) |
| [18:09:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i don't have an old laptop |
| [18:10:00] | abarbaccia: | but i do have a real shitty lcd screen i've been dying to replace |
| [18:10:00] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [18:10:00] | laga: | hehe ;) you could use that for a start |
| [18:10:00] | abarbaccia: | yea |
| [18:10:00] | laga: | excuse me, i've got to get car into the garage before umm things freeze again (same for the cats ;)) |
| [18:10:00] | abarbaccia: | but i would wanna find a smaller LCD |
| [18:10:00] | abarbaccia: | lol – alright |
| [18:12:00] | Chutt: | just buy a real projector |
| [18:12:00] | abarbaccia: | i dont have another grand to spend on another TV toy |
| [18:12:00] | abarbaccia: | im a broke college student |
| [18:12:00] | Chutt: | why would it be a grand? |
| [18:13:00] | Chutt: | i've seen the infocus 4805 go for $500 |
| [18:13:00] | abarbaccia: | for a high def projector |
| [18:13:00] | abarbaccia: | ? |
| [18:14:00] | abarbaccia: | alight- i have to study for another final |
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| [18:22:00] | laga: | what should i use for an NES emulator? |
| [18:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Nesticle! |
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| [18:30:00] | laga: | ;) i'm about to try fceu. i hope it's any good |
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| [18:49:00] | xris: | thought I'd give xchat a try vs gaim |
| [18:49:00] | laga: | how do you like it so far? |
| [18:50:00] | xris: | not sure |
| [18:50:00] | xris: | looks like irc |
| [18:50:00] | xris: | I don't like having to split my screen into 2 windows |
| [18:50:00] | laga: | hehe |
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| [18:51:00] | xris: | this is just easier |
| [18:52:00] | laga: | hehe |
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| [18:54:00] | dmz: | anyone know who's hosting the .deb install files these days? |
| [18:55:00] | laga: | nobody at the moment |
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| [19:20:00] | banyan: | Is anyone else having updates on their mplayer, transcode and libquicktime packages held back due to a dependency on ffmpeg-libpostproc? |
| [19:21:00] | rjune: | no, but then I have no clue what distro/repo you're using to help you |
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| [19:21:00] | laga: | i betcha it's fedora core |
| [19:21:00] | rjune: | if so, then he's using atrpms |
| [19:22:00] | laga: | right |
| [19:22:00] | rjune: | maybe it's gentoo |
| [19:22:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe? |
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| [19:24:00] | fryfrog: | banyan: that was subtle prompting to get you to tell us your distro |
| [19:24:00] | banyan: | fc4. |
| [19:24:00] | fryfrog: | very subtle |
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| [19:25:00] | banyan: | my mythtv-suite is from atrpms, as is my mplayer package and my transcode package. |
| [19:25:00] | rjune: | bam. we called it |
| [19:25:00] | laga: | yep |
| [19:25:00] | rjune: | banyan: repeat after me. |
| [19:25:00] | Flimzy: | When I modprobe ivtv, it complains it can't locate the firmware... I'm using a PVR-500 on amd64, kernel 2.6.14.3, ivtv 0.4, firmware 2.0.24.23035. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| [19:25:00] | rjune: | atRPMS is evil. |
| [19:25:00] | rjune: | I will use it ONLY when I have to, lest it rape my system |
| [19:25:00] | fryfrog: | sorry, its been scientifically proven that FC is for bitches and only super-awsome cool people use gentoo :) |
| [19:25:00] | rjune: | fryfrog: gentoo is for ricers http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| [19:25:00] | Krazylegz: | REPOST. |
| [19:26:00] | banyan: | However they're the only package repository that has mythtv. |
| [19:26:00] | banyan: | (as an rpm) |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | hence the only when required. |
| [19:26:00] | FunkyStickman: | Flimzy: what kind of mobo is it? Via chipset? |
| [19:26:00] | fryfrog: | mythtv is for bitches! |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | banyan: basicly, here's what you gotta do. |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | install fedora. |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | configure livna |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | do all updates |
| [19:26:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: ATI chipset |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | add atrpms |
| [19:26:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: do you have the firmware where it can get it? |
| [19:26:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: In an HP pavillion |
| [19:26:00] | fryfrog: | like, in /lib/modules/<kernenanme? |
| [19:26:00] | rjune: | yum install mythtv-suite, but tell it no |
| [19:27:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: I have it in /lib/modules, and /lib/firmware (symlinked) |
| [19:27:00] | banyan: | I have done all that, with atrpms severely restricted as to packages. |
| [19:27:00] | rjune: | disable atrpms and manually install all the deps you can |
| [19:27:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Is it supposed to be in the kernel-specific directory? (none of the howtos suggested that, but I can try it) |
| [19:27:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: can you do the debug=? thing and get more detailed output? |
| [19:27:00] | rjune: | re-enable atrpms, install mythtv-suite, then disable it again and never ever let it back onto your system |
| [19:27:00] | FunkyStickman: | I tried compiling it in SuSE 10, and it crapped out... apparantly doesn't like gcc 4.x |
| [19:27:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: i checked, mine is /lib/modules |
| [19:27:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: FWIW, the kernel detects both tuners on the card... just can't locate the firmware |
| [19:28:00] | fryfrog: | ivtv-fw-dec.bin ivtv_init_mpeg.bin & ivtv-fw-enc.bin is what i have |
| [19:28:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Yah, that's where mine is at. I'll try the debug bit |
| [19:28:00] | rjune: | banyan: that process has been tested and works on fc2–4. |
| [19:28:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: I have all but the -dec one |
| [19:28:00] | banyan: | I've got it enabled but only for ivtv and atrpms. |
| [19:28:00] | fryfrog: | i think -dec is for pvr350 |
| [19:28:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: aye. that's why I didn't install it :) |
| [19:29:00] | fryfrog: | well, throw it in for shits and giggles |
| [19:29:00] | rjune: | banyan: you mean ivtv and mythtv? |
| [19:29:00] | banyan: | and apparently my transcode and mplayer are from atrpms also. |
| [19:29:00] | FunkyStickman: | Flimzy: just a suggestion, does the card work correctly in another system? |
| [19:29:00] | fryfrog: | if you haven't? |
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| [19:29:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: I don't have any other systems to try it on, ATM. |
| [19:29:00] | FunkyStickman: | crap |
| [19:29:00] | rjune: | banyan: yeah, because the repo is either on or off, I don't know a way to allow only specific packages |
| [19:29:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: But it's a brand new card... just installed it last night. |
| [19:29:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: are you using the firmware that the drivers suggest? |
| [19:29:00] | banyan: | yes I do rjune! Glad you know what I'm trying to say since I can't type. |
| [19:29:00] | Flimzy: | FunkyStickman: I don't think the problem is the card... I don't think "Unable to locate firmware" sounds like a hardware problem |
| [19:29:00] | fryfrog: | I think FunkyStickman is implying your ATI chipset |
| [19:29:00] | fryfrog: | not the card |
| [19:29:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: yeah |
| [19:29:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Ah |
| [19:30:00] | fryfrog: | but i doubt both |
| [19:30:00] | Flimzy: | Even so, I think if the problem (at this point) were the ATI chipset, it wouldn't be a problem of "can't locate firmware" |
| [19:30:00] | fryfrog: | i suspect debug output will reveal more ifno |
| [19:30:00] | banyan: | rjune: you use the includepkgs=<space-separated package list to include> |
| [19:30:00] | banyan: | in the .repo file. |
| [19:30:00] | Flimzy: | Once it finds the firmware, if it still isn't working, then the ATI chipset may be suspect |
| [19:30:00] | rjune: | banyan: apparently it's not working properly then. eh? |
| [19:30:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: How do you specify the debug level? modprobe ivtv debug=foo isn't happyt |
| [19:31:00] | banyan: | I've spoken to people who use freshrpms for all the other dependencies and still have the same issue. |
| [19:31:00] | fryfrog: | try "modinfo ivtv"? |
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| [19:31:00] | banyan: | It's apparently a bad provides/obsoletes in the ffmpeg-libpostproc package. |
| [19:31:00] | fryfrog: | you might also take a gander at the source, i don't think i've ever put my drivers into debug :)_ |
| [19:31:00] | fryfrog: | (or out) |
| [19:32:00] | banyan: | I was hoping someone here had worked their way around it. |
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| [19:32:00] | ricky: | hi everybody, someone speeck italian ??? |
| [19:33:00] | rjune: | banyan: I use livna for everything else, and don't have any problems |
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| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | Looks like all the debug added to syslog was: ivtv-iTVC15_16_mpg2_encoder_card: probe of 0000:03:09.0 failed with error -12 |
| [19:33:00] | fryfrog: | very descriptive ;) |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | (which I alredy knew, based on the previous output which said ivtv0: Error -12 on initialization |
| [19:33:00] | banyan: | Not sure livna provides *all* the other packages, but I do agree with the general philosophy of using atrpms as a repo of last resort. |
| [19:33:00] | fryfrog: | did you say it was ivtv 4.x? |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | 0.4 |
| [19:34:00] | fryfrog: | er, yeah thanks |
| [19:34:00] | Flimzy: | is something possibly broken with hotplug, or some other utility that modprobe depends on to find the firmware? |
| [19:35:00] | fryfrog: | what distro? |
| [19:35:00] | Flimzy: | debian |
| [19:35:00] | Flimzy: | unstaable |
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| [19:35:00] | fryfrog: | i doubt it would help, but maybe try the 0.5.x branch and see what happens? |
| [19:36:00] | PITABoy: | weird question but here it goes |
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| [19:36:00] | fryfrog: | could you be lacking the "firmware" options in kernel? i've no idea if they actually *apply* though :/ |
| [19:36:00] | Flimzy: | The fact that I'm using amd64 wouldn't render the firmware useless, would it? |
| [19:36:00] | Flimzy: | The firmware shouldn't depend on the host CPU, right? |
| [19:36:00] | poop: | CPU Temp: +63.8?C (low = +0.0?C, high = +70.0?C) |
| [19:36:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: No, I checked, that's in the kernel |
| [19:36:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: two trains are traveling towards eachother, one at 20MPH and one at 40MPH. How far will the first train travel by the time they eant? |
| [19:36:00] | poop: | I don't believe you, crappy sensor |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: i'm doing amd64 and using the firmware |
| [19:37:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Okay, that's encouraging :) |
| [19:37:00] | PITABoy: | i have the hauppage pvr350 and use mythtv to record it saves the files as nuv files but they are really mpeg files. however windows can still not play them an i would really like to play them in windows so that i can stream them to my xbox 360 |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | i could show you a *working* firmware? :) |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | oh, well i have a pvr 250 |
| [19:37:00] | Flimzy: | lemme do a dist-upgrade now, to make sure something else isn't breaking stuff |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | not 500 |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | send me yours, i can test ;) |
| [19:37:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [19:38:00] | Flimzy: | what are the md5sums on your firmwares? |
| [19:38:00] | Flimzy: | pvt msg them to me, pls? |
| [19:38:00] | fryfrog: | sure, sec |
| [19:38:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: recent SVN release names them ".mpg" i think |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | Flimzy: i believe you may find the md5 sums on ivtvdriver.org |
| [19:38:00] | Flimzy: | laga: Yes, but I'm curious which version he's using |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | Flimzy: oh, ok |
| [19:39:00] | PITABoy: | ok sounds good i read that too but i cant find where to get the svn release |
| [19:39:00] | fryfrog: | d85cb08382395390dc95ac6ebc2205f9 ivtv-fw-enc.bin |
| [19:39:00] | fryfrog: | oops |
| [19:39:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: thats easy! |
| [19:39:00] | fryfrog: | http://svn.mythtv.org/ |
| [19:39:00] | PITABoy: | what do i do to download it or "checkout" it |
| [19:40:00] | PITABoy: | svn ... http://svn.mythtv.org/ ... |
| [19:40:00] | fryfrog: | pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip and pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip are what my ebuild downloads |
| [19:40:00] | fryfrog: | the directions are right there |
| [19:41:00] | PITABoy: | do you have a svn ebuile? |
| [19:41:00] | Flimzy: | I have a perhaps odd question.... Does MythTV support the option to output it's video and sound over firewire rather than to video/sound cards? If so, I could get rid of my PCI-E video card, and plug firewire directly into my HDTV, and use the PCI-E slot for something else... hehe |
| [19:41:00] | PITABoy: | ebuild* |
| [19:41:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: do you use gentoo? |
| [19:41:00] | PITABoy: | yes :D |
| [19:41:00] | PITABoy: | :) |
| [19:41:00] | poop: | Flimzy: no, it only records from firewire |
| [19:42:00] | Flimzy: | I figured as much |
| [19:42:00] | fryfrog: | you might try #gentoo-mythtv for some ebuilds |
| [19:42:00] | Flimzy: | ... and thus far, I haven't gotten even that to work |
| [19:42:00] | Flimzy: | Someone should make an X server for firewire |
| [19:42:00] | fryfrog: | there are some svn ebuilds, on bugs.gentoo.org and i've taken those and "fixed" them for recent ish svn changes |
| [19:42:00] | fryfrog: | but i don't have time to pack em up |
| [19:42:00] | PITABoy: | how do i download the svn? |
| [19:43:00] | Krazylegz: | PITABoy: It should still be a simple rename. |
| [19:43:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: do you have a problem loading up "http://svn.mythtv.org" and reading? |
| [19:43:00] | Krazylegz: | I can try one here if you'd like and get back to you on it. |
| [19:43:00] | fryfrog: | Krazylegz: a rename? |
| [19:44:00] | PITABoy: | ok thanks i didnt know that it was a website i thought that it was the svn server |
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| [19:44:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/my.portage.tar.bz2 |
| [19:44:00] | PITABoy: | which one saves in mpeg the stable or unstable |
| [19:45:00] | Chutt: | neither of them 'save in mpeg' |
| [19:45:00] | fryfrog: | the one you get from just grabbing the normal |
| [19:45:00] | PITABoy: | mpg* |
| [19:45:00] | fryfrog: | he means saves with .mpg extension |
| [19:45:00] | Chutt: | yeah, because renaming files is hard! |
| [19:45:00] | PITABoy: | i like the miles per gallon extention |
| [19:45:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah. |
| [19:45:00] | fryfrog: | renaming *every* file just so you can watch it? |
| [19:45:00] | Chutt: | why would you have to do that? |
| [19:45:00] | fryfrog: | on xbox 360? |
| [19:46:00] | PITABoy: | winbloze |
| [19:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Then install VLC on Windows. |
| [19:46:00] | PITABoy: | yeah very picky |
| [19:46:00] | fryfrog: | we could cut this discussion short if you'd scroll up ;P |
| [19:46:00] | Chutt: | any player that bases its format detection completely on file extension is broken. |
| [19:46:00] | Chutt: | and wmp doesn't, btw. |
| [19:46:00] | fryfrog: | Helllooooo nurse :) |
| [19:46:00] | fryfrog: | PITABoy: that is my customized mythtv-svn ebuilds, and some other stuff |
| [19:46:00] | fryfrog: | you might want to extract it and nuke some of the stuff |
| [19:47:00] | fryfrog: | i'm to lazy to do that |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | suggesting someone use svn just for the file extension chane is moronically stupid. |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | since that person has absolutely no idea what they're getting in to. |
| [19:47:00] | PITABoy: | what is nuv export? |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | it would be better to tell them to use the file link/renamer script. |
| [19:47:00] | fryfrog: | exporter? |
| [19:48:00] | Chutt: | which can be set to run automatically, and give every file better names. |
| [19:48:00] | fryfrog: | there ya go, that sounds like a better solution |
| [19:50:00] | FunkyStickman: | does anyone know if the code has been checked to compile with gcc 4? |
| [19:51:00] | Chutt: | of course it has. |
| [19:51:00] | FunkyStickman: | hmmm... then I must be missing something somewhere |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | and it has to be found to be incompatible. at least 0.18.1 ;) |
| [19:51:00] | FunkyStickman: | lovely |
| [19:52:00] | FunkyStickman: | what about 1.18.2-ish? |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | not sure. you could always check the commit messages for that one |
| [19:52:00] | Chutt: | the fixes branch compiles with 4.0. |
| [19:52:00] | FunkyStickman: | I'm pulling the CVS version right now, I'll check it |
| [19:53:00] | FunkyStickman: | most excellent. I'll definitely give it a shot |
| [19:53:00] | exstatica: | anyone ever done streaming with mytv, I want to stream live tv to the web |
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| [19:53:00] | FunkyStickman: | I've only got one other problem, and it's not really related to mythtv, but the capture card |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | SVN head would be even better ;) |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | exstatica: check mythstreamtv |
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| [19:53:00] | exstatica: | nice thank you |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Are you using ivtv 0.4 as well? |
| [19:56:00] | Flimzy: | Grr |
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| [20:02:00] | banyan: | Any idea how many PVR-250s out of 100 do that cute "no decoder mailbox" thing? |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | how the hell would we know that/ |
| [20:03:00] | dev-: | lol |
| [20:03:00] | banyan: | I should buy a new PVR-250 but I don;t wanna be going through 3 or four of them before I get one that works. |
| [20:03:00] | laga: | yay, segfault goodness in mythfrontend. |
| [20:03:00] | laga: | banyan: why don't you get a pvr 150? |
| [20:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never seen that message and I have 3 here and installed 24+ |
| [20:04:00] | Flimzy: | banyan: My 500 is doing that |
| [20:04:00] | banyan: | Hmm, maybe...? what's the diff? |
| [20:04:00] | banyan: | between a 150 and a 250? |
| [20:04:00] | Flimzy: | Is that a fatal problem? |
| [20:04:00] | laga: | 150 is cheaper and based on a newer design. |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | www.hauppauge.com |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | why ask us what you can find out yourself? :) |
| [20:04:00] | banyan: | I thought it was cut down and didn't have the mpeg hardware encoder. |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | nyet |
| [20:05:00] | Flimzy: | banyan: You thought wrong. |
| [20:05:00] | dev-: | google must be broken again |
| [20:05:00] | banyan: | Because the salesy brochure info doesn't explain the actual experience of using the thing. |
| [20:07:00] | banyan: | In case you didn't notice, salesmen lie a lot and never talk to the technical people about what it's good at versus not so much. |
| [20:08:00] | dev-: | there are these things that were invented to help find information |
| [20:08:00] | dev-: | they're called "search engines" |
| [20:08:00] | Chutt: | yeah, they lie so much that they put the pvr-150 in the entirely wrong section of the website, and include completely made-up information about it. |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | and these things called "web pages" |
| [20:09:00] | dev-: | you might be amazed at what you'd find with even a minutes worth of looking |
| [20:09:00] | banyan: | Wow, when I grew up, we had these things called conversations. |
| [20:09:00] | dev-: | banyan: you have any idea how many people come in here and ask the same shit over and over and over again? |
| [20:09:00] | dev-: | banyan: any idea how old it gets when you can spend not even 5 minutes looking it up on your own? |
| [20:10:00] | banyan: | When I ask you, though, dev-, I know where it's coming from and I know I can trust it. If you have a wiki that google can hit, that's good.. |
| [20:10:00] | dev-: | sigh |
| [20:11:00] | poop: | You trust dev-? |
| [20:11:00] | poop: | Now we know you're defective. |
| [20:11:00] | banyan: | Chutt: are you serious about the 150 being all misinformation on the hauppauge website? |
| [20:11:00] | banyan: | lol |
| [20:11:00] | dev-: | recall! take him back, replace him |
| [20:11:00] | Chutt: | no, i'm lying. |
| [20:11:00] | Chutt: | obviously. |
| [20:12:00] | Chutt: | sheesh, people are dumb. |
| [20:12:00] | dev-: | amen |
| [20:12:00] | banyan: | Sarcasm doesn't translate well in ASCII. |
| [20:12:00] | dev-: | did this start happening when multiple /. articles talked about myth? |
| [20:12:00] | Chutt: | but stupidness does, apparently. |
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| [20:12:00] | dev-: | ive only been coming to this channel for a couple of months.. i cant believe its been this bad forever though? |
| [20:13:00] | Chutt: | why do you think i made #mythtv developers only? =) |
| [20:13:00] | laga: | dev-: there are good times and there are worse times |
| [20:14:00] | dev-: | i hear ya.. somtimes i just want to strangle these idiots |
| [20:14:00] | dev-: | the best is the os tech support everyone wants... wtf... this is a mythtv channel not #os-training-for-morons heh |
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| [20:15:00] | laga: | dev-: the problem is that mythtv is quite complex and it depends on many things, that's why we get all kinds of questions here |
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| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | dev-: this is BETTER than it used to be |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | Beirdo: remember torq? |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | don't remind me |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | hehe. |
| [20:16:00] | ricky: | someone have a pinnacle pctv stereo with a telecontrol included ???? |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | he poked his head around again a few weeks ago |
| [20:16:00] | dev-: | better?!? heh |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | really? and i missed it. |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | darn. |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | it might have been in the dev channel, not sure |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | idiots come, and idiots go. |
| [20:17:00] | eskil: | and comedy in irc persists... |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | thankfully, most users are sane |
| [20:18:00] | ** laga is not entirely sane ** | |
| [20:18:00] | laga: | but i can hide it pretty well ;) |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | OK, present company excluded |
| [20:19:00] | dev-: | hehehe |
| [20:20:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [20:21:00] | thinker: | could someone tell me where mythtv 0.18.1 gets the audio and video pids please. I am getting errors that are very common when I google, but I can't really find an answer to my problem |
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| [20:23:00] | ** laga slaps PIXxy-afk ** | |
| [20:23:00] | thinker: | and would ~mythtv/.mythtv/channels/channels.conf be the correct place to put my channels.conf? |
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| [20:24:00] | ** piccolo99 takes it street.. ** | |
| [20:24:00] | piccolo99: | oi.. |
| [20:24:00] | piccolo99: | :P |
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| [20:37:00] | psofa: | how do i tell mythtv that i dont want livetv? |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | what dod you mean? |
| [20:38:00] | psofa: | i want to turn of the live aspect of the tv |
| [20:38:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [20:38:00] | psofa: | no save to mpeg4/rtjpeg |
| [20:39:00] | psofa: | just plain tv like tvtime xawtv etc |
| [20:40:00] | psofa: | ??? |
| [20:42:00] | Chutt: | you don't. |
| [20:42:00] | psofa: | ? |
| [20:42:00] | psofa: | i cant turn it off? |
| [20:42:00] | Chutt: | nope. |
| [20:43:00] | psofa: | omg |
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| [20:43:00] | laga: | you can edit the menu xml files to start your favourite TV app instead of mythtv's internal stuff. look for mainmenu.xml |
| [20:43:00] | laga: | (good that I'm not getting bored of answering the same questions over and over) |
| [20:43:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [20:43:00] | psofa: | ty |
| [20:44:00] | psofa: | hm |
| [20:44:00] | psofa: | but i dont want another app |
| [20:44:00] | psofa: | tvtime has crap colours |
| [20:44:00] | psofa: | and xawtv hungs |
| [20:45:00] | laga: | i'm sure you can fix the colors in tvtime |
| [20:46:00] | psofa: | id stick with mythtv's tuner if i could make it work ok |
| [20:46:00] | psofa: | the video is stuttery |
| [20:46:00] | Chutt: | buy a faster machine. |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | fiddle with the livetv profile then |
| [20:47:00] | psofa: | Chutt, its using 50% cpu and its stuttery |
| [20:47:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : sup |
| [20:47:00] | psofa: | thats not a cpu matter |
| [20:47:00] | psofa: | im trying |
| [20:47:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : you think you will merge that mouse patch with 0.19? |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | uh |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | did you _read_ the patch? |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | i can merge it in, but you won't see any changes. |
| [20:47:00] | a1fa: | yeha.. it looks stupid |
| [20:47:00] | a1fa: | its non functional |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | no, it only applies to the new ui code. |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | which nothing uses. |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa: | ouch |
| [20:48:00] | a1fa: | i just want touch screen support |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | start coding, then. |
| [20:48:00] | ** a1fa starts, but stops ** | |
| [20:49:00] | laga: | a1fa: the new ui code is supposed to be used in 0.20 ;) |
| [20:49:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : is there a place on svn that tells you what will be merged into 0.19? |
| [20:49:00] | Chutt: | uh, the commits log? |
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| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | so gotta wait for 0.20 |
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| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | i am guessing you will release the new gui after you release 0.19? |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | maybe. |
| [20:50:00] | a1fa: | the rumor has it, 0.19 will be in a week or two? |
| [20:51:00] | psofa: | and the capture quality of the sound is crappy.Theres a hell of a difference between direct lineout and mythtv capturing the sound |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | then you've got other issues |
| [20:51:00] | psofa: | like? |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | i wouldn't know. |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | but that's certainly not standard. |
| [20:51:00] | psofa: | then how u know its other issues |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | because it's not normal? |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa: | lol.. arguing with the main man :p |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa: | psofa : pssst |
| [20:52:00] | dev-: | psofa's been tooling it up in here for a couple days noiw |
| [20:52:00] | psofa: | by other issues i thought you meant its not mythtv's fault |
| [20:52:00] | a1fa: | psofa : ya think i'd be able to run mythfrontend on K6–400mhz with 200mb ram? |
| [20:53:00] | psofa: | by running you mean? see the background ? :D |
| [20:53:00] | a1fa: | s/psofa/chutt/ |
| [20:53:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [20:54:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : what ya say regarding the rumor for .19? |
| [20:54:00] | dev-: | i want the last 2hrs back... doom the movie fraking sucks |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | it'll be released whenever it's released. |
| [20:55:00] | ** laga likes the "release early, release often" philosophy ** | |
| [20:55:00] | a1fa: | that matt zimmerman is not maintaining debian packages anymore |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | i like the 'release working stuff' often. |
| [20:55:00] | a1fa: | its from source now |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | philosophy :p |
| [20:55:00] | Chutt: | no releases when things are broken |
| [20:55:00] | laga: | Chutt: doesn't have to be mutually exclusive ;) |
| [20:56:00] | laga: | Chutt: talking about broken things, the new mpeg2fix stuff doesn't work for me. should i complain to -dev? |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | and 'release early, release often' reflects not having public cvs access |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | laga, sure |
| [20:56:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : new UI preview? |
| [20:56:00] | laga: | Chutt: k. |
| [20:56:00] | ** laga prepares the hate mail ** | |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | a1fa, no. |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | a1fa: check mythtv/programs/mythuitest/ |
| [20:57:00] | a1fa: | hm.. maybe i can contribute some graphics? |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | no. |
| [20:57:00] | a1fa: | thanks laga |
| [20:58:00] | dev-: | im guessing 0.19 will come out on the 1yr anniversary of .18.1 heh |
| [20:58:00] | Flimzy: | Can anyone tell me what "Encoder mailbox not found" means? |
| [20:58:00] | laga: | a1fa: i had some trouble getting it running, you might have to copy some stuff from /usr/share/themes to ~/.mythtv/ |
| [20:58:00] | a1fa: | man.. al devs deserve a thanks for a working version |
| [20:59:00] | a1fa: | i wonder how long did it take them to build a functional tivo |
| [20:59:00] | laga: | SVN is usually fairly stable for me, but i only upgrade every two weeks or so |
| [21:02:00] | a1fa: | i might build a theme for mythtv :P |
| [21:02:00] | a1fa: | there.. i will contribute something |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | a1fa: talk to juski, he's been complaining about theming a lot lately ;) |
| [21:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Chutt: Write the "History Behind MythTV." |
| [21:03:00] | a1fa: | laga : they are kind of complicated to write |
| [21:03:00] | a1fa: | not really |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | ok |
| [21:03:00] | a1fa: | what is the default screen .xml? |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | 'i was semi-bored with my job, so i wanted something else to work on in my spare time. the end.' |
| [21:04:00] | a1fa: | theme.xml |
| [21:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Good read. :-) |
| [21:04:00] | rjune: | pulitzer material |
| [21:04:00] | Flimzy: | grr |
| [21:04:00] | Flimzy: | stupid ivtv |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | Chutt: i feel quite lost in -dev and -commits, is it ok if i just open a new ticket? can't find any tickets regarding my issue |
| [21:04:00] | Krazylegz: | I guess it would be a bit pointless to know the history, since no one in here but you would have used the first version, and know of its greatness/suckiness. |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | i don't think there are any wrt mpeg2 reencoding |
| [21:05:00] | laga: | Chutt: awesome. ;) |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | first version did live-tv only |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | no gui, no osd, etc. |
| [21:05:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: web.archive.org has a www.mythtv.org from a few years ago, it's quite amusing to read ;) |
| [21:05:00] | ** laga realizes that he's a mythtv fanboy ** | |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | www.mythtv.org has all the old entries, too |
| [21:06:00] | Krazylegz: | Interesting. |
| [21:07:00] | Chutt: | and there's www.mythtv.org/oldsite/ |
| [21:07:00] | Krazylegz: | Wow, that's hilarious. :-) |
| [21:07:00] | Chutt: | though i don't think the images work anymore from there |
| [21:08:00] | laga: | "0.8 release". that sounds very scary ;) |
| [21:08:00] | ivor: | I hate seeing old cached copies of my sites. |
| [21:09:00] | jams: | Chutt speaking of the website, shall I tar up the htdocs and mysql backup? |
| [21:09:00] | Chutt: | sure |
| [21:09:00] | ivor: | (especially when I think hmm that looks better than the current one) |
| [21:09:00] | laga: | can we expect a new mythtv.org soon? ;) |
| [21:09:00] | a1fa: | wow |
| [21:09:00] | a1fa: | i remember that site |
| [21:09:00] | jams: | ok will send you the link when I'm done. |
| [21:09:00] | Chutt: | thanks |
| [21:09:00] | psofa: | Chutt, maybe the crappy sound has something to do with sampling frequency? |
| [21:09:00] | dmz: | anyone else here use pvr350? |
| [21:09:00] | Chutt: | could, sure |
| [21:09:00] | psofa: | what should i set that to for a crap bt8x8 card |
| [21:10:00] | Chutt: | whatever works. |
| [21:10:00] | psofa: | :/ |
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| [21:10:00] | a1fa: | dmz |
| [21:10:00] | dev-: | so chutt, are you isaac? |
| [21:10:00] | ** jams has no plans to replicate all the archives =) ** | |
| [21:11:00] | a1fa: | i used to use pvr-350.. it sucks |
| [21:11:00] | a1fa: | i upgraded to pvr-500 |
| [21:11:00] | laga: | jams: you don't have any spare copy & paste monkeys? ;) |
| [21:11:00] | xris: | dev-: yes |
| [21:11:00] | jams: | nope i'm fresh out |
| [21:11:00] | laga: | darn |
| [21:11:00] | dev-: | nice.. i give mad props to you.. great program. |
| [21:11:00] | dev-: | =] |
| [21:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Don't give props. Give beer. |
| [21:12:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [21:12:00] | laga: | yep. beer me. ;) |
| [21:12:00] | xris: | laga: you drink too much, anyway |
| [21:12:00] | Flimzy: | has anyone here had difficulties getting ivtv to load for a pvr500? |
| [21:12:00] | dmz: | a1fa, howdy! |
| [21:12:00] | laga: | xris: only had one beer today. |
| [21:13:00] | dev-: | myth is a huge part of my house. all the tvs use it, all my friends love it (and want boxes of there own, but i refuse heh) |
| [21:13:00] | ivor: | xris: chutt is isaac? damn I thought it was a bot. |
| [21:13:00] | dev-: | the girlfriend absolutely loves it.. |
| [21:13:00] | dmz: | a1fa how's it going? |
| [21:13:00] | a1fa: | not bad bubba |
| [21:13:00] | dmz: | my damn cable works great on my tv (sony wega 55") but through pvr 350 i get no signal on like 15 channels (commedy central being most important:) |
| [21:13:00] | jams: | grr i lost the ticket I was tracking |
| [21:13:00] | a1fa: | whats your question on the pvr350? |
| [21:14:00] | a1fa: | hm |
| [21:14:00] | jams: | blasted kmail |
| [21:14:00] | a1fa: | you need to set cable frequency in mythtv-setup |
| [21:14:00] | xris: | ivor: you have that wrong. I'm the bot. |
| [21:16:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : anyway to make those rca inputs part of mythtv.. |
| [21:16:00] | a1fa: | Chutt : kind a like "RCA INPUT" menu.. for dvd, game consoles etc |
| [21:16:00] | Chutt: | that's what a 'receiver' is for. |
| [21:17:00] | dmz: | a1fa what i just posted, channels work great on my tv, but through pvr i get horizontal trace lines on some channels and others are almost 100% static |
| [21:17:00] | dmz: | 80% of channels work great, the rest are just hard to watch |
| [21:17:00] | xris: | a1fa: won't work for gaming. |
| [21:17:00] | a1fa: | dmz : you use mythtv? right? |
| [21:17:00] | xris: | still a .5–1 second encoding delay |
| [21:17:00] | dmz: | a1fa yeah :) |
| [21:17:00] | a1fa: | dmz : run mythtv-setup |
| [21:17:00] | psofa: | hmm i did some more investigation |
| [21:17:00] | a1fa: | go to Source |
| [21:18:00] | a1fa: | xris : wow.. that sucks |
| [21:18:00] | psofa: | 32khz fixed the crappy sound i think |
| [21:18:00] | dmz: | a1fa, ok, whatcha need from there? |
| [21:18:00] | a1fa: | and make sure you are using a right frequency table.. i had the same problem |
| [21:18:00] | a1fa: | i forgot what is it called |
| [21:19:00] | dmz: | where is the frequency table? |
| [21:19:00] | xris: | a1fa: hard to encode something in perfect realtime. there will always be a delay. |
| [21:19:00] | psofa: | but with uncompressed audio o get more crappy stuttering |
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| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | use mp3, then |
| [21:19:00] | psofa: | which leads me to the conclusion that the hard disk sucks |
| [21:19:00] | dmz: | ahh got it |
| [21:20:00] | dmz: | what is us-cable-hrc? |
| [21:20:00] | psofa: | and cant keep up |
| [21:20:00] | dmz: | and is "default"="us-cable"? |
| [21:21:00] | a1fa: | ok.. try using that one |
| [21:21:00] | dmz: | do i need to reset mythbackend if i modify the frequency table? |
| [21:21:00] | a1fa: | nope |
| [21:21:00] | a1fa: | rerun mythfilldatabase |
| [21:21:00] | dmz: | really? egad that takes forever! |
| [21:22:00] | psofa: | is my theory correct? or else why would uncompressed my slower than mp3 |
| [21:23:00] | Chutt: | psofa, it's likely, sure. |
| [21:23:00] | psofa: | then ill try another hd |
| [21:25:00] | otwin: | psofa: check that dma is enabled on that disk |
| [21:25:00] | psofa: | it is |
| [21:25:00] | psofa: | or so hdparm says |
| [21:25:00] | psofa: | but in the benchmark the hd scores 19mb/s |
| [21:25:00] | psofa: | :/ |
| [21:30:00] | sunny: | hey, besides shuttle, who are some other good mini-itx companies ? |
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| [21:33:00] | dmz: | is there a frequency table for us-cable but for digital cable? (comcast specifically)? |
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| [21:35:00] | sunny: | (or is it called micro-atx?) |
| [21:37:00] | dmz: | a1fa you still there? any suggestions? us-cable kinda works but still has a horizontal scan line that goes across the screen and it's a little staticy |
| [21:38:00] | jams: | bah still can't find the ticket, guess I will have to just upgrade and find out |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | what was the issue? |
| [21:39:00] | jams: | changing channels across inputs |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | ah |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | works with C |
| [21:39:00] | jams: | it will change to the correct input but it not change channels |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | apparenlty doesn't with the guide, but i don't really care about that =) |
| [21:39:00] | jams: | also doesn't work by punching in the numbers |
| [21:40:00] | jams: | however once it's on the correct tuner it works fine |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | punching in numbers should only work for the current input. |
| [21:40:00] | jams: | ok |
| [21:41:00] | dmz: | :( |
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| [21:41:00] | dmz: | guess mythtv doesn't like comcast in the sf bay area |
| [21:41:00] | dmz: | oh well, guess i need to go price a tivo |
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| [21:43:00] | laga: | do that then |
| [21:43:00] | dmz: | :( |
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| [21:44:00] | dmz: | it's just frustrating when all channels work except the 1 i want (comedy central) |
| [21:44:00] | laga: | we don't care if you're going to use a tivo instead of mythtv. wrong attitude, dude ;) |
| [21:44:00] | dmz: | heh |
| [21:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Try a different ivtv version? |
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| [21:45:00] | PaulWay: | Hi all! |
| [21:45:00] | Krazylegz: | It's PaulWay. |
| [21:46:00] | PaulWay: | Any ideas on how to stop "prebuffering pause" on the frontend? |
| [21:46:00] | PaulWay: | The frontend is chmod +s... |
| [21:46:00] | dev-: | prebuffering pause is kind of like a default message for alot of things, ranging from system slowness to network slowness |
| [21:46:00] | PaulWay: | There's no way this is system or network slowness... |
| [21:46:00] | dev-: | k |
| [21:46:00] | dev-: | ;) |
| [21:47:00] | dev-: | do some google searches on that +mythtv you'll see what i mean |
| [21:47:00] | PaulWay: | Mythfrontend at full playback is ~25% CPU, and the files are on local disk. |
| [21:47:00] | PaulWay: | Yeah, I haven't googled it yet... |
| [21:48:00] | dmz: | krazylegs, ahh good idea, thanks |
| [21:48:00] | Krazylegz: | dmz: I have to do that too. ivtv-0.1.9 gives me some fuzziness in some channels. |
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| [21:48:00] | dev-: | PaulWay: have you tried verbose logging on the frontend? alot of times that can give you some more clues.. |
| [21:48:00] | PaulWay: | Good thinking. Will do. |
| [21:49:00] | dev-: | prebuffering pause is so generic its hard to say what it could be |
| [21:49:00] | PaulWay: | I just have to wait for Kate to finish her aerobics... |
| [21:49:00] | rjune: | should I ask why you're here and not watching her? |
| [21:50:00] | dev-: | hehehe |
| [21:50:00] | dev-: | that could be his daughter for all we know :P |
| [21:50:00] | rjune: | true. |
| [21:50:00] | rjune: | which would explain it |
| [21:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Perhaps even his mother. |
| [21:51:00] | rjune: | that's just oedipal |
| [21:51:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, so you presume it's not his mother, because he isn't watching her. |
| [21:51:00] | PaulWay: | It's my partner, but she's shy about aerobics... |
| [21:51:00] | PaulWay: | Little does she know about the webcam... |
| [21:51:00] | rjune: | LOL |
| [21:52:00] | PaulWay: | *tee hee* |
| [21:52:00] | rjune: | you're not broadcasting it are you? |
| [21:52:00] | Krazylegz: | rjune: Relax. :-) |
| [21:52:00] | PaulWay: | No :-) |
| [21:52:00] | rjune: | Krazylegz: I am relaxed. |
| [21:52:00] | PaulWay: | Just to torment you, she's not shy about walking around the house naked... |
| [21:52:00] | rjune: | I'm making dinner at the moment. |
| [21:52:00] | rjune: | LOL |
| [21:52:00] | PaulWay: | Buuuut, anyway, I' |
| [21:52:00] | PaulWay: | ll go and try the verbose flag. |
| [21:53:00] | rjune: | as long as she does her aerobics naked 'cept for high heels. |
| [21:53:00] | PaulWay: | It's -verbose isn't it? |
| [21:53:00] | ** Krazylegz hides ** | |
| [21:53:00] | rjune: | Uhm, lemme check |
| [21:53:00] | dev-: | -verbose all |
| [21:53:00] | dev-: | wouldnt leave that on for too long though, output is huge |
| [21:53:00] | dev-: | but its a good thing to help debug a problem |
| [21:53:00] | PaulWay: | I'll tee it off to a file JIC. |
| [21:54:00] | dev-: | you can redirect, its stdout |
| [21:54:00] | dev-: | or tee, whichever you prefer :D |
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| [21:59:00] | PaulWay: | Hmmmm. |
| [21:59:00] | PaulWay: | It looks like it's waiting for the audio. |
| [21:59:00] | PaulWay: | BRB, shower. |
| [22:00:00] | Krazylegz: | Sounds like "Kate" is done with aerobics. |
| [22:00:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: great minds think alike. |
| [22:00:00] | rjune: | LOL |
| [22:01:00] | rjune: | or dirty minds |
| [22:01:00] | laga: | just being pragmatic, my friend... |
| [22:01:00] | dev-: | man you guys with all the crazy words... ive had to look up 2 words on dictionary.com in the last 10minutes |
| [22:01:00] | dev-: | ;/ |
| [22:02:00] | laga: | dev-: where are your from? |
| [22:02:00] | laga: | you* |
| [22:02:00] | dev-: | im in the us, new joisy |
| [22:02:00] | laga: | umm, ok. |
| [22:02:00] | Krazylegz: | There's no 'noise' in New JERSEY. |
| [22:02:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [22:02:00] | dev-: | im not really from here, so i make fun of all the people with accents. i was born and raised in southern california |
| [22:03:00] | rjune: | Nwe Jersey, the armpit of america |
| [22:03:00] | Krazylegz: | Whoa. |
| [22:03:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, I don't drive into NJ. |
| [22:03:00] | rjune: | dev-: which two? |
| [22:03:00] | dmz: | quick question , ivtv-0.4.0 or try latest unstable? |
| [22:03:00] | dev-: | the oephircal one and pragmatic heh |
| [22:03:00] | laga: | dmz: 0.4.0, unstable means you'll have to use a very new kernel |
| [22:03:00] | rjune: | oedipal you mean? |
| [22:03:00] | dev-: | i knew what pragmatic meant after i looked it up, but the other one i had no clue |
| [22:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Pretty funny, since laga is Mr. Germany. :-) |
| [22:04:00] | laga: | dev-: that's a little bit embarrassing ;) |
| [22:04:00] | rjune: | if you still havent' gotten it, look up oedipus |
| [22:04:00] | dev-: | i know i know ;/ |
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| [22:05:00] | dmz: | laga how "new" i'm on 2.6.12 currently |
| [22:05:00] | dev-: | whats even sadder is i got credit with honors in eng115 in college ;/ |
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| [22:08:00] | rjune: | dev-: especially since Oedipus was covered in high school |
| [22:08:00] | dev-: | i knew about the god, but not oedipal, the adjective |
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| [22:09:00] | dev-: | obviously not bright enough to put 2 and 2 together either heh |
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| [22:10:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [22:10:00] | dmz: | :( 0.4.0 didn't get rid of scan lines |
| [22:10:00] | rjune: | oedipus wasnt' a god |
| [22:11:00] | laga: | dmz: i dunno, but they started merging some of their modules back into upstream, that's why ivtv unstable comes without them |
| [22:11:00] | laga: | rjune: right. |
| [22:11:00] | laga: | here in germany, even the psychological side of this story is covered, including freud's theories. this stuff made me sick ;) |
| [22:11:00] | dev-: | man i should just shut the f up, i dont remember any of the greek crap we learned back then heh |
| [22:12:00] | dev-: | im an idiot ok, heh, computers are my thing ;\ |
| [22:12:00] | laga: | dev-: i've never said you were an idiot ;) |
| [22:13:00] | dev-: | you an architecture designed and imnplemented that can handle 4million sessions a day, i can do that for ya |
| [22:13:00] | dev-: | you want me to talk about greek mythology, im an idiot |
| [22:13:00] | laga: | dmz: umm, what scanlines? like, when things move fast? |
| [22:13:00] | dev-: | no i admit it laga hehe |
| [22:13:00] | laga: | dev-: who needs greece anyways ;) |
| [22:13:00] | dmz: | laga, no like a horizontal line going slowly across screen; or some channels having lots of static, when others look good |
| [22:14:00] | laga: | dmz: does it happen on your TV as well? |
| [22:14:00] | laga: | when you plug the rf directly into the TV, i mean |
| [22:14:00] | dmz: | laga, nope |
| [22:14:00] | dmz: | laga my tv has a hdtv cable tuner |
| [22:14:00] | dmz: | laga sony wega 55" |
| [22:14:00] | laga: | dmz: weird. you should try and tinker with the finetune settings. |
| [22:15:00] | laga: | dmz: can it tune normal, analog cable? hdtv streams are digital ones and they're less prone to this kind of artefacts |
| [22:15:00] | dmz: | laga what is valid range for finetune settings, and is there any easy way to modify other than via mythweb (or db)? |
| [22:15:00] | rjune: | greeks need greece |
| [22:15:00] | laga: | rjune: right. and they have good cheese. |
| [22:15:00] | dmz: | laga the normal channels look ok (my example test is comedy central, not digital) |
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| [22:16:00] | dmz: | laga and when i modify finetune setting do i need to do anything or just change to that channel to test? |
| [22:16:00] | laga: | dmz: it could be possible that you're using the wrong tuner type. |
| [22:16:00] | dmz: | pvr350 |
| [22:16:00] | laga: | but i'd look after that at the end. |
| [22:16:00] | dmz: | i've got a 550 i'm about to test out |
| [22:16:00] | laga: | dmz: i think you should restart mythbackend after setting the finetune value. just to be on the safe side. |
| [22:17:00] | dmz: | k |
| [22:17:00] | laga: | hauppauge pvr 550? there is no such thing, imho ;) |
| [22:17:00] | dmz: | and what range can i test w/finetune settings? |
| [22:17:00] | dmz: | 500 then |
| [22:17:00] | dmz: | :) |
| [22:17:00] | laga: | dmz: well, it accepts the same values as xawtv does. |
| [22:17:00] | ** dmz goes to google xawtv finetune ** | |
| [22:18:00] | laga: | xawtv won't work with your pvr cards, unfortunately. and using the 500 may be worth a try. |
| [22:18:00] | laga: | and i'm off to bed now, i hope. cya. |
| [22:18:00] | dmz: | thanks |
| [22:18:00] | laga: | np |
| [22:18:00] | PaulWay: | Now there's an idea – let's try the frontend on a different machine. |
| [22:18:00] | dmz: | and is web best way to tune finetune settings? |
| [22:20:00] | jonK: | dmz: i've had some problems getting the 350 and 500 to play nice in the same box |
| [22:20:00] | dmz: | jonk using 2 differnet boxes |
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| [22:22:00] | jonK: | cool — just wanted to warn you what happens is the first tuner of the pvr500 is unusable |
| [22:22:00] | jonK: | or at least that's my experience |
| [22:22:00] | jonK: | i have 2 500s both work fine, but any combination with the 350 and the first 500 tuner won't function |
| [22:23:00] | dmz: | what do you use for remote with the 500 in there? |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | so i have 4/5 usable |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | i have th pvr350 remote |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | all in one box |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | i alsho have an hd3000 card but have not got it working |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | (not that i've really tried) |
| [22:23:00] | jonK: | for another frontend I use the snapstream firefly remote |
| [22:24:00] | PaulWay: | Well, the other frontend is working just fine. |
| [22:25:00] | PaulWay: | I'll have to delve into the ghastly voodoo that is sound on Linux. |
| [22:25:00] | PaulWay: | xmms works fine on the machine. |
| [22:25:00] | PaulWay: | from that I gather that ALSA is fine. |
| [22:25:00] | PaulWay: | But I note that the gnome volume control has quit a couple of times saying that it doesn't have something or other. |
| [22:25:00] | mofu: | spdif? |
| [22:26:00] | PaulWay: | No, just standard 2-channel onboard NVidia sound. |
| [22:26:00] | mofu: | i've found the gap between the two can be significant |
| [22:27:00] | PaulWay: | ? gap between left and right? |
| [22:27:00] | mofu: | between 2ch and spdif |
| [22:27:00] | PaulWay: | Well, yes, spdif is quite different. |
| [22:29:00] | PaulWay: | According to hwbrowser it's still detected correctly. |
| [22:29:00] | PaulWay: | Is there any other utility I can use to check the system configuration? |
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| [22:29:00] | PaulWay: | kudzu or anaconda? |
| [22:30:00] | ** PaulWay goes and checks what type of sound interface Myth is using on that machine ** | |
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| [22:35:00] | PaulWay: | Well, that seems to be successfull. |
| [22:35:00] | PaulWay: | I turned on "Use Aggressive Sound Buffering" in the setup options and it works now. |
| [22:36:00] | PaulWay: | I'd be happier if it Just Worked, but... |
| [22:36:00] | PaulWay: | Anyway got to go to work, thanks for the help! |
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| [22:53:00] | exstatica: | vlc is going to make me kill myself |
| [22:53:00] | Krazylegz: | What's so bad about vlc? |
| [22:53:00] | exstatica: | to compile it you need soooooo many things |
| [22:54:00] | exstatica: | and the configure takes forever |
| [22:54:00] | dev-: | you think that takes long, just wait till it starts compiling ;) |
| [22:55:00] | exstatica: | yay |
| [22:55:00] | dev-: | vlc is a beast, but thats because it rules |
| [22:55:00] | exstatica: | i just want to use mythstreamtv |
| [22:55:00] | dev-: | its very useful, especially for doing things like watching tv at work ;) |
| [22:56:00] | exstatica: | atrpms needs to do a rpm of it |
| [22:56:00] | exstatica: | haha |
| [22:56:00] | Krazylegz: | exstatica: Heh. I never got mythstreamtv working to my liking. |
| [22:56:00] | exstatica: | yeah i want to watch on my way to work with my smartphone |
| [22:56:00] | Krazylegz: | The way it tries to do things isn't too fantastic, but it works okay once you edit the PHP to make it simpler. :-) |
| [22:57:00] | dev-: | yeah, i also had to modify the shell scripts to even work correctly |
| [22:57:00] | Krazylegz: | I basically set it up to be a streaming video server, instead of a streaming video server + reencoder. |
| [22:57:00] | dev-: | forget what was wrong with them now, been so long, heh, think it was pathing |
| [22:57:00] | dev-: | need reencode if you have a limited upstream, like alot of providers |
| [22:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Might have been that too. I don't remember. |
| [22:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, but reencoding was taking too many cycles. |
| [22:58:00] | dev-: | big time |
| [22:58:00] | Krazylegz: | You'd be better off reencoding at an off-peak time, instead of on-demand. |
| [22:58:00] | exstatica: | i wonder if i can stream it to my mms windows box and let that do the encoding and broadcasting |
| [22:59:00] | Krazylegz: | You could probably do that with two installations of vlc, or with vlc and some network file system. |
| [22:59:00] | dev-: | my master backend is also a frontend, only way to stream tv is when the frontend was idle. was fine during buisness hours with the woman at work and me at work, but if she was home or got home early, id have to turn it off so she could watch on the bigscreen. or shed have to go in one of the rooms and watch off that frontend |
| [22:59:00] | exstatica: | well i have nfs setup and samba |
| [22:59:00] | dev-: | xp3200, uses 90% cpu to reencode on the fly |
| [22:59:00] | exstatica: | why i have everyone here, i'm having wierd freezing issues with my frontend |
| [22:59:00] | exstatica: | it hanges for a minute |
| [22:59:00] | exstatica: | gets waiting for buffer |
| [23:00:00] | exstatica: | on the backend with the frontend it's fine, but the frontend only has issues with life and prerecorded |
| [23:00:00] | dev-: | sounds like network |
| [23:00:00] | dev-: | what speeds do you get ftp'ing back and forth? |
| [23:01:00] | exstatica: | i'm not sur elet me test, my cisco switch doesn't show any errors |
| [23:01:00] | dmz: | what table holds the channel finetune settings? |
| [23:01:00] | exstatica: | when i play something from mythvideo it's fine |
| [23:01:00] | exstatica: | but those are smaller video files i guess |
| [23:01:00] | dev-: | you need pretty decent throughput for livetv and the recorded raw mpeg2 files |
| [23:02:00] | dev-: | i require 6.5mbit throughput at my bitrates |
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| [23:05:00] | exstatica: | i'm getting 10.4 MB/s |
| [23:07:00] | dev-: | both ways? |
| [23:07:00] | exstatica: | that was downloading from the backend to the frontend |
| [23:08:00] | dev-: | thats fine, hrmph, gotta be somethuing else then |
| [23:08:00] | exstatica: | same speed uploading to the backend |
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| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | man, talk about bad design |
| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | got one of those nokia 770 'internet tablet' thingies for cheap |
| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | there's a plastic cover for it, and when the cover's on, you can't _quite_ remove the stylus |
| [23:21:00] | dmz: | does anyone know the range channel finetune values are? (-100–100, 1–20, ??) |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | same as xawtv |
| [23:22:00] | dmz: | i searched google & only saw postings on "press up or down to finetune" |
| [23:22:00] | dmz: | no values |
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| [23:34:00] | psofa: | nice |
| [23:34:00] | psofa: | i tried another hd |
| [23:34:00] | psofa: | and the stuttering is gone |
| [23:34:00] | psofa: | this one scores 35mb/s |
| [23:34:00] | ** dmz wonders if there is any easier way to tune a pvr350 :( ** | |
| [23:34:00] | psofa: | the problem is that im going deaf now |
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| [23:37:00] | Krazylegz: | That's a disturbing quit message. |
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| [23:44:00] | ** poop patches ieee1394 ** | |
| [23:45:00] | _nero_: | man.. what a crappy patch job.. |
| [23:45:00] | ** poop applies bondo liberally ** | |
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| [23:48:00] | jonK: | what utility are you using to score hd transfer speeds |
| [23:49:00] | jonK: | and should coping a 555 mb file from one direcotry to another take ~3.5 minutes? |
| [23:50:00] | poop: | jonK: hdparm -t gives you a very basic test, but copying to and from the same drive can take a while |
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| [23:51:00] | poop: | That's pretty slow |
| [23:53:00] | jonK: | buffered reads gave 3 mb/sec |
| [23:54:00] | jonK: | an then an ioctl error |
| [23:54:00] | poop: | Does dmesg tell you you're disk is dying? |
| [23:54:00] | poop: | your |
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| [23:55:00] | davro: | quite slow disk could be on the way out, my myth hard disk timings are 82MB in 3.02 seconds 27.17 MB/sec if anything to go by. |
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| [23:57:00] | jonK: | hmmm.... |
| [23:58:00] | jonK: | it's an lvm partition with physical regions on three drives |
| [23:58:00] | jonK: | 2 new and 1 old |
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| [23:58:00] | jonK: | but not that old... (2–3 years at most) |
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