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| [00:00:00] | rjune: | · PAL (resolution 720 x 486) |
| [00:00:00] | rjune: | · D-1 PAL (resolution 720 x 576) |
| [00:00:00] | rjune: | · D-1 PAL Square Pix (resolution 768 x 576) |
| [00:01:00] | rjune: | one of those |
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| [00:02:00] | jono: | rjune hmm none work, gonna try rebooting :) |
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| [00:06:00] | iltechy: | hey guys im trying to use mythweb to download an mp3 on my mythtvbox... the problem is that mythweb is looking at the wrong directory (/var/www/mythweb/music) when i need it to look simple at /music.. can anyone tell me how i could get this done with a symlink or something else? |
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| [00:20:00] | harryk: | greets all |
| [00:21:00] | harryk: | anyone here have success with a pvr500mce? |
| [00:22:00] | harryk: | or even work with a pvr500mce? |
| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | a lot of folk have |
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| [00:24:00] | harryk: | looking at the mythtv forums... alot of people have worked with them, but success always seemed sparse |
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| [00:33:00] | PITABoy: | is there any way to get mythtv to record to mpeg 2 instead of nuv |
| [00:33:00] | Chutt: | sure, buy a card that records to mpeg2 |
| [00:35:00] | PITABoy: | i have a hupage pvr 350 |
| [00:35:00] | PITABoy: | i thought that it recorded in mpeg2 |
| [00:35:00] | Chutt: | it is. |
| [00:35:00] | PITABoy: | happauge |
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| [00:37:00] | PITABoy: | it has a built in mpeg encoder |
| [00:38:00] | Chutt: | yeah, that's why i said 'it is.' |
| [00:38:00] | PITABoy: | however mythtv likes to convert files to nuv |
| [00:38:00] | PITABoy: | is there a way to overide this |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | only if you configure it to transcode |
| [00:38:00] | Chutt: | don't configure it to transcode, then |
| [00:38:00] | PITABoy: | how do i do that |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise it's going to be mpeg2 file regardless of the .nuv extension |
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| [00:38:00] | Chutt: | well, the only way it's transcoding is if you set it up |
| [00:39:00] | Chutt: | so, i'd hope you could un-set it up |
| [00:39:00] | PITABoy: | well all i know is that windows wont run the files even if i change the name to .mpg or .mpeg or .mov or .avi |
| [00:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | PITABoy: Before you go hunting through the options, what is making you think the files are not mpeg files ? |
| [00:40:00] | PITABoy: | above post |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | got mplayer installed on your box |
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| [00:41:00] | jono: | hi all |
| [00:41:00] | PITABoy: | yeah |
| [00:42:00] | jono: | which PAL standard do we have in the UK? |
| [00:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | PITABoy: try mplayer -identify file.nuv to see what it says |
| [00:42:00] | jono: | anyone know? |
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| [00:45:00] | rjune: | jono: usually what I do, is get a video card with TV out(usually have a PAL/NTSC jumper on them |
| [00:45:00] | rjune: | I've never tried to use a TV card for it |
| [00:45:00] | xanderp: | jono: Ummm I believe that PAL is PAL... are you asking about SECAM? |
| [00:45:00] | PITABoy: | Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.4.0b |
| [00:46:00] | jono: | no its asking whcih pal to select – pal-b pal-d pal-g etc |
| [00:46:00] | xanderp: | Brazil has PAL-M, but the UK is (I believe) just straight up vanilla PAL |
| [00:46:00] | jono: | not sure which one to pick |
| [00:46:00] | jono: | there is no straight PAL |
| [00:46:00] | xanderp: | hrmmm |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | there is pal-scart |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | pal-cn |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | pal-k1 |
| [00:47:00] | jono: | and then pal-<letter> for b d g h i k l n m |
| [00:48:00] | xanderp: | i think UK is scart |
| [00:48:00] | xanderp: | although i thought that scart was a type of PLUG for the connection to the TV, not the broadcast format |
| [00:49:00] | jono: | a site says it is pal-i |
| [00:49:00] | jono: | now its asking for tv output standard selection – video, scart or yuv – I want to use the s-video output |
| [00:49:00] | rjune: | wow, it's way more complicated over ther |
| [00:50:00] | xanderp: | ahha!! scart IS a type of connection! |
| [00:50:00] | jono: | which one should I choose? |
| [00:51:00] | xanderp: | apparently the UK has 2 different PAL's one for VHF and one for UHF |
| [00:51:00] | xanderp: | PAL(B) and PAL(I) |
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| [00:52:00] | jono: | gonna try it now |
| [00:52:00] | jono: | brb |
| [00:52:00] | xanderp: | **assumption** video=s-video, scart="cable tv" and yuv=component (separate connections for each color) |
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| [01:02:00] | Wilberto: | anyone used an old CRT imac for a frontend? |
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| [01:06:00] | djperegrine: | Wilberto, its mac OS 9 right? |
| [01:06:00] | rjune: | djperegrine: os X too |
| [01:07:00] | djperegrine: | oh |
| [01:07:00] | rjune: | Wilberto: you should be able to do it, myth should build on yellowdog |
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| [01:14:00] | Goshen: | my dvd drive is on my frontend computer, which is seperate on the lan, which computer runs the transcoder daemon? |
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| [01:21:00] | Goshen: | The dvd-rom doesn't have to be in the backend does it? |
| [01:21:00] | Goshen: | my frontend tells me it can't connect |
| [01:21:00] | Goshen: | to the transcoder daemon |
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| [01:29:00] | poop_: | Wilberto: It'll probably be limited to very low resolutions. |
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| [01:31:00] | iltechy: | hey all has anyone had any success with mythstreamtv? i've got everything installed but am running into a strange vlc error: /usr/bin/vlc symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavformat.so: undefined symbol: dc1394_create_handle... any thoughts? |
| [01:32:00] | xanderp: | i really need some LIRC mentoring... i've checked everything i know to check and it appears to be correct, but when i modprobe lirc-i2c and lirc-dev then start lircd there are no /dev/lirc* devices created... |
| [01:37:00] | ** rjune is back ** | |
| [01:39:00] | harryk: | anyone using an ivtv driver, with analog cable WITHOUT a cable box? |
| [01:40:00] | harryk: | i'd like to take a look at some working ivtv config files |
| [01:40:00] | harryk: | preferablly with a PVR-500MCE user |
| [01:43:00] | poop_: | In the old days win* meant stay the hell away from it in linux |
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| [01:47:00] | iltechy: | hey if i yum remove ffmpeg will i break anything inside a stock mythtv install? |
| [01:47:00] | iltechy: | i need to download and recompile to get rid of an error |
| [01:48:00] | _nero_: | iltechy, it may cause issues, if you are running a version of a lib different from what mythtv was compiled against. |
| [01:48:00] | iltechy: | that's what i was afraid of |
| [01:49:00] | iltechy: | i need to force an annoying symbol call out of ffmpeg but i think it can only be done at build time |
| [01:49:00] | ** rjune is away: I forgot something ** | |
| [01:49:00] | iltechy: | there's no such thing as a yum upgrade with an srpm i guess |
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| [01:50:00] | _nero_: | iltechy, if you build the rpm, you can just use rpm to upgrade.. |
| [01:50:00] | _nero_: | though you may still have the same problems.. |
| [01:50:00] | iltechy: | i guess i'll pass on the streaming video then – better to have the box running |
| [01:50:00] | iltechy: | wife would kill me :) |
| [01:51:00] | _nero_: | heh.. oh yes, the wife friendly issues.. |
| [01:51:00] | iltechy: | definitely NOT something to mess with |
| [01:56:00] | poop_: | iltechy: Why can't you rebuild an rpm and install it? |
| [01:56:00] | iltechy: | not sure what the flags mythtv uses for ffmpeg so don't want to break anything |
| [01:56:00] | poop_: | ahh, just had to keep reading |
| [01:57:00] | iltechy: | it's a well founded concern i think, yeah |
| [01:57:00] | iltechy: | ? |
| [01:57:00] | poop_: | iltechy: You could get the source package that you're currently using ... |
| [01:57:00] | ** poop_ squints ** | |
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| [01:59:00] | iltechy: | i just don't see a clean way to pull the current rpm out and put the new one in with all the dependencies going on for ffmpeg |
| [01:59:00] | iltechy: | although according to some sets of instructiones it should be fine: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythStreamTV |
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| [02:09:00] | ** rjune is back ** | |
| [02:10:00] | Dagmar: | ffmpeg is a right _bastard_ about being dependent on specific things |
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| [02:11:00] | Dagmar: | iMacGyver: Euw that definitely seems to qualify as hackish |
| [02:11:00] | Dagmar: | wrong channel |
| [02:12:00] | poop_: | My wall will _just_ accommodate a 106" screen. |
| [02:12:00] | Dagmar: | Can you say the same for your girlfriend? |
| [02:13:00] | poop_: | My wife is very accommodating, especially since she can watch her goofy indian movies on the new screen. |
| [02:13:00] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [02:13:00] | Dagmar: | Clearly she doesn't read the channel logs |
| [02:15:00] | xanderp: | anybody have any suggestions for gentoo not creating the /dev/lirc* device when the modules appear to load correctly and dmesg reports that lirc has registered correctly? the danged device just won't get created when i start lircd |
| [02:15:00] | poop_: | I'm going to have to do some scary shit to ceiling mount my PJ. |
| [02:15:00] | poop_: | 3 stud finders to find there are no studs |
| [02:15:00] | xanderp: | poop_: if there are not studs in the ceiling, what is holding up the ceiling? |
| [02:15:00] | poop_: | nfi |
| [02:16:00] | Dagmar: | Air pressure, apparently. |
| [02:16:00] | xanderp: | hrmmm |
| [02:16:00] | poop_: | It's thick over here. |
| [02:16:00] | xanderp: | Dagmar: are you saying poop_ is full of hot air? |
| [02:16:00] | poop_: | No, no, it stays up whether I'm home or not. |
| [02:16:00] | Dagmar: | No, then he'd be wearing his ceiling for a har |
| [02:16:00] | Dagmar: | er hat |
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| [02:16:00] | Dagmar: | I recommend working from the attic down if at all possible |
| [02:16:00] | poop_: | I think it's plaster, lath, and some kind of metal backing. |
| [02:17:00] | poop_: | no attic |
| [02:17:00] | xanderp: | maybe it's pixie dust |
| [02:17:00] | Dagmar: | No attic? Are you in a condo? |
| [02:17:00] | poop_: | apt. |
| [02:17:00] | xanderp: | all the more reason for studs... any idea how HEAVY plaster/lathe ceilings are? |
| [02:17:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... You might want to ask the apt. mgr. if it's okay to go drilling in the ceiling |
| [02:17:00] | quacker: | Re: Dagmar |
| [02:17:00] | poop_: | heh |
| [02:17:00] | quacker: | <-- arnducky |
| [02:17:00] | poop_: | I'm an expert spackler. |
| [02:18:00] | xanderp: | poop_: may want to invest in a nice tall bookcase to set his pj on... |
| [02:18:00] | xanderp: | my training room at work has the pj mounted on the rear wall |
| [02:18:00] | Dagmar: | The ceiling might just be drywall over cement |
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| [02:18:00] | poop_: | xanderp: The layout prevents it |
| [02:19:00] | xanderp: | :( |
| [02:19:00] | poop_: | I did already test drill into another room's ceiling and didn't hit cement. |
| [02:19:00] | poop_: | Must have been > 1.5" |
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| [02:19:00] | xanderp: | i can just see poop_ sitting with the pj on his head watching LOTR marathon for 9 hours.... |
| [02:20:00] | xanderp: | poop_: deep scan stud finder? |
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| [02:20:00] | poop_: | It's on the coffee table now, but that's not ideal by any means :) |
| [02:20:00] | wooties: | hgi guys |
| [02:20:00] | Dagmar: | Maybe you have some of that nutritious lead paint |
| [02:20:00] | wooties: | I had a question |
| [02:20:00] | poop_: | xanderp: Mine does 1.5" |
| [02:20:00] | Dagmar: | There literally has to be some sort of beam in the ceiling |
| [02:20:00] | xanderp: | wooties: nice that it passed |
| [02:20:00] | poop_: | Well, the stud finder can't calibrate |
| [02:20:00] | Dagmar: | It would crack and fall on your head with so much as a 3.0 on the richter without it |
| [02:20:00] | _nero_: | ugh.. keep getting an ldconf cant find lGLU even though libGLU is in the ldconfig path.. |
| [02:20:00] | Dagmar: | Ah, lead paint. |
| [02:21:00] | wooties: | Im trying to install knoppmyth, and i have a 300 gig drive, I know i need 4 partitions but i dont knwo what size each should be,, I have a gig of memory |
| [02:21:00] | poop_: | It works on the walls though. |
| [02:21:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_: `ldconfig -v | grep GLU` ... See it showing up? |
| [02:21:00] | poop_: | I even managed to get a magnetic stud finder and it's no good on the ceiling. |
| [02:21:00] | _nero_: | yup |
| [02:22:00] | _nero_: | libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.502 |
| [02:22:00] | xanderp: | wooties: if it were me: 32M /boot 1024M swap 40G root and the rest as a video partition |
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| [02:22:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_: What's kvetching that it can't find it again? |
| [02:22:00] | poop_: | I'm going to try securing one end to a wall stud, then using ~6 molly bolts to put a plank on the ceiling from which to hang the mount |
| [02:22:00] | _nero_: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU when trying to build svn mythtv |
| [02:23:00] | Dagmar: | Not the line... _what_ |
| [02:23:00] | Dagmar: | A configure script? |
| [02:23:00] | xanderp: | you could suspend it from eye-bolts in each wall with airline cable strung between :) |
| [02:23:00] | _nero_: | libmyth.. |
| [02:23:00] | _nero_: | no.. a make script |
| [02:23:00] | poop_: | I'll know more after I drill the first big hole. |
| [02:23:00] | poop_: | xanderp: heh |
| [02:23:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_: Can you pastebin the last 5 or so lines of output from the make? |
| [02:23:00] | xanderp: | poop_: just take a wrecking bar to the ceiling and see what's there... then pay a GOOD handyman to fix it up for you!!! |
| [02:23:00] | _nero_: | sure |
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| [02:24:00] | poop_: | Actually, after enough waffling, I'll probably hire a handyman to just do it. |
| [02:24:00] | _nero_: | http://pastebin.com/445698 |
| [02:24:00] | xanderp: | and if he screws up the ceiling he has to fix it aye? |
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| [02:25:00] | xanderp: | poop_'s got his pj duct taped to the ceiling... :) |
| [02:26:00] | xanderp: | mine wouldn't be very good to ceiling mount... too danged heavy. (like about 50 pounds) |
| [02:26:00] | wooties: | xander get my message? |
| [02:26:00] | xanderp: | nope |
| [02:26:00] | wooties: | Im confused as myth tv tells me to name the drives "/" "swap" "/cache" "/myth" |
| [02:26:00] | wooties: | im not sure which relates to which |
| [02:27:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_: OKay, honestly, I just don't get what the heck it's problem is. libGLU should be sitting right there in /usr/X11R6/lib and that's even explicitly specified in the g++ invocation |
| [02:27:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_ I know it's not much consolation, but it really _should_ be working |
| [02:27:00] | _nero_: | Dagmar, and it is sitting right there.. |
| [02:27:00] | _nero_: | hehe.. I know it should.. ;) |
| [02:27:00] | Dagmar: | Madness |
| [02:27:00] | xanderp: | hrmmm /cache ??? maybe the livetv buffers? |
| [02:27:00] | wooties: | /cache is used for the live tvbuffer |
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| [02:28:00] | xanderp: | odd i just put that on my root |
| [02:28:00] | xanderp: | i have boot, swap, root, and video as my only partitions |
| [02:28:00] | wooties: | and your telling me for "/" just do 32 megs? |
| [02:28:00] | xanderp: | nope |
| [02:28:00] | wooties: | im trying to stay to the knopp directions |
| [02:28:00] | xanderp: | for /boot just need enough for a couple of kernel versions, so i use about 32M or 64M |
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| [02:29:00] | xanderp: | for root I usually use several gigs... (60–80) |
| [02:29:00] | wooties: | how much for "/" then? |
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| [02:29:00] | xanderp: | if you can spare it |
| [02:29:00] | Dagmar: | The location of storage and the location of the ringbuffer are trivially easy to set tho |
| [02:29:00] | xanderp: | (from the video directory that is) |
| [02:30:00] | xanderp: | you could even put your storage on a remote filesystem (NFS, SAMBA, etc...) |
| [02:30:00] | xanderp: | if your network is fast enough |
| [02:31:00] | dhofstra: | jarrod has a nice list of directory sizes on his walkthrough |
| [02:31:00] | wooties: | so "/" 40 gigs "swap" 1500m "/cache" 40 gigs "/mythtv" the rest? |
| [02:31:00] | dhofstra: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw |
| [02:32:00] | Dagmar: | 40Gb for /? Expansive... |
| [02:32:00] | wooties: | well dagmar |
| [02:32:00] | wooties: | tell me the sizes i should use for "/" "swap" "/cache" "/myth" |
| [02:32:00] | Dagmar: | This URL is way more reasonable. You can stick an entire mutliple-DE installation of Linux in 8Gb |
| [02:32:00] | wooties: | im trying to install knoppmyth |
| [02:33:00] | Dagmar: | That URL http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw covers what little is needed |
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| [02:33:00] | Dagmar: | ...and basically if you have new hardware, you can skip making /boot it's own partition |
| [02:33:00] | wooties: | ah ok the knoppmyth setup is tellign em somethign different for drive names |
| [02:34:00] | dhofstra: | I like the wilsonnet suggestion.. only maybe put a /var in there somewhere and it'd be perfect for a myth setup |
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| [02:34:00] | wooties: | Select partition and create 4 partitions using cfdisk. The first will be /, the second swap, the third /cache and fourth /myth. I recommend 2.5 gigs for /, swap should be 1.5 times memory, /cache is used for the live tvbuffer. I'd recommend 3 to 10 gigs depending how your tuner card and hard drive size |
| [02:35:00] | wooties: | ^^ so ignore that? |
| [02:35:00] | dhofstra: | cuz sometimes the logs in /var can go crazy man, crazy |
| [02:35:00] | Dagmar: | Just as long as you don't do something that forces /cache to be at the end of your disk |
| [02:35:00] | wooties: | do i even need cache? |
| [02:35:00] | Dagmar: | Not really. You can use the same space your video recordings go into if you like |
| [02:36:00] | wooties: | ah ok thats best |
| [02:36:00] | Dagmar: | I've had no problems with it, but then I'm nowhere near full |
| [02:36:00] | wooties: | dso really i only need 3 partitions |
| [02:36:00] | wooties: | swap |
| [02:36:00] | wooties: | and /video |
| [02:36:00] | Dagmar: | The only reason you'd want to separate them is because it might be problematic to watch TV if you fill up your disk |
| [02:36:00] | wooties: | ah ok |
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| [02:37:00] | Dagmar: | I'm close to 1/2 Tb now so I don't think I'm going to be running out of space anytime soon |
| [02:37:00] | dhofstra: | in fact 4 or 5 partitions: |
| [02:37:00] | wooties: | so for root 8 gigs is fine? |
| [02:37:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [02:37:00] | dhofstra: | boot, swap, / , and home (or video if you like) and optionally /var as a 5th |
| [02:37:00] | Dagmar: | 8Gb is enough to install like, ALL of FC4 or Mandrake |
| [02:37:00] | wooties: | cool |
| [02:38:00] | wooties: | i think ill do a cache would hate to not beable to watch tv |
| [02:38:00] | Criggie: | Dagmar: I got 480 Gb and I'm at 100% all round |
| [02:38:00] | dhofstra: | I have suse just loaded to the frickin brim with everything and I am using 10.5GB out of 15 for root |
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| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's interesting to see how people partition differently :) |
| [02:39:00] | wooties: | so i want to set root to primary and all the rest to logical? |
| [02:39:00] | Nothingman: | hi, all |
| [02:39:00] | dhofstra: | yeah, asking 'whats the best partitioning scheme' is prolly alot like 'what's the best distro' |
| [02:39:00] | Nothingman: | having trouble setting up a frontend on any comp but my main backend |
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| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | dhofstra: heh |
| [02:39:00] | wooties: | dhofstra: so i want to set root to primary and all the rest to logical? |
| [02:39:00] | _nero_: | dhofstra, you're right.. my distro and my partion scheme are both the best! ;) |
| [02:39:00] | Nothingman: | now, I shouldn't need anything in particular such as mysql on that second or third (etc.) machine, right? |
| [02:39:00] | dhofstra: | LOL |
| [02:40:00] | jams: | hey _nero_ hows that theme coming along |
| [02:40:00] | _nero_: | jams- I actually have a workable version of it available.. :) |
| [02:40:00] | _nero_: | its not complete, but very usable. |
| [02:40:00] | jams: | woohoo |
| [02:40:00] | dhofstra: | wooties: you can set 4 or 5 primaries I believe... I usually set the max as primary, and make the last available one logical and put all the remaining filesystems within the logical |
| [02:40:00] | Criggie: | Nothingman: you're having remote access tp mysql problems |
| [02:40:00] | jams: | only took 12 months =) |
| [02:40:00] | Nothingman: | Criggie: yup |
| [02:40:00] | _nero_: | haha.. I think it is more like 16.. ;) |
| [02:40:00] | Criggie: | Nothingman: check the howto for the fix |
| [02:41:00] | _nero_: | they kept changing the theme format on me.. lol |
| [02:41:00] | Nothingman: | which one? |
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| [02:41:00] | nickv111: | Hello |
| [02:41:00] | jams: | dhofstra- 4 primary |
| [02:41:00] | Nothingman: | been folloing abarbaccia's Ubuntu one |
| [02:41:00] | Criggie: | Nothingman: its something like "grant access to mysql for user mysql@yournetwork" |
| [02:41:00] | nickv111: | I was wondering what the best way to get mythtv running on Debian would be |
| [02:41:00] | teevee: | hi |
| [02:41:00] | _nero_: | jams, you want a link? |
| [02:41:00] | Dagmar: | flush privledges; |
| [02:41:00] | jams: | _nero_- sure |
| [02:41:00] | dhofstra: | wooties: what size hard drive are you working with? |
| [02:41:00] | _nero_: | http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/m . . . eview.tar.gz |
| [02:42:00] | teevee: | i'm exporting using nuvexport-dvd, can anyone point me to some documentation or tell me a program I can use or what I might do to author this into actual DVD files? (ifo, buf, vob...) |
| [02:42:00] | wooties: | dh 300 gigs |
| [02:42:00] | jams: | teevee- nuv2disc, mythburn , dvdauthor |
| [02:42:00] | wooties: | dhofstra: i want to make the root bootable right? |
| [02:43:00] | jams: | simple dvdauthor instructions can be found in the mythtv docs |
| [02:43:00] | teevee: | jams: where does nuv2disc come from? is it its own package? |
| [02:43:00] | dhofstra: | I'd do PRIMARY: /boot=100mb swap=512mb or 1024mb /=10Gb , /var=3Gb , and LOGICAL: /home=all the rest. |
| [02:43:00] | Dagmar: | You sure you need a /boot partition? |
| [02:43:00] | jams: | teevee- you can find it on the forums or at extras.mythtvtalk.com |
| [02:44:00] | dhofstra: | wooties... not sure if you make / or /boot bootable. |
| [02:44:00] | jams: | if you can't get the gui running you can use the dvdauthor scripts that are included |
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| [02:44:00] | wooties: | dhofstra: Im not going to do a boot partition |
| [02:44:00] | wooties: | dhofstra: I dot see how to se the label of the drive |
| [02:45:00] | Dagmar: | You can make pretty much any or no partitions flagged bootable if you put LILO in the MBR. |
| [02:45:00] | nickv111: | Whenever I follow http://www.luci.org/luci-discuss/200409/msg00006.html, I get an error when I do an apt-get update |
| [02:45:00] | nickv111: | Err http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu unstable/mythtv Sources |
| [02:45:00] | nickv111: | 404 Not Found |
| [02:45:00] | teevee: | jams: thanks! |
| [02:45:00] | Dagmar: | Even if lilo only lives in a partition, if no partitions are flagged as bootable at all, the BIOS on anything recent will simply boot the first partition on the first IDE disk it finds |
| [02:45:00] | rjune: | nickv111: sounds like the repo doesn't exist anymore |
| [02:45:00] | nickv111: | rjune: Then how do I get mythtv running on debian? |
| [02:45:00] | wooties: | Dagmar: I still dont see how to set a label in cfdisk |
| [02:46:00] | rjune: | nickv111: dunno, I don't use debian |
| [02:46:00] | Dagmar: | wooties: I've never bothered to set labels at all |
| [02:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh, I generally do / 500–750Meg, swap varies based on OS and machines purpose, 3–5G on /usr, depending on box might have a /usr/local, 5–7G on /var, if box is a mail server a large /var/spool and the rest as /export (where I place /home) |
| [02:46:00] | jams: | _nero_- prescaling images now |
| [02:46:00] | _nero_: | ugh.. someone in #linuxhelp is trying to tell me that I need to make sure that the libGLU module is loaded in lsmod.. LOL |
| [02:46:00] | rjune: | I can tell you how to do it on fedora, or on knoppix. but not debian |
| [02:46:00] | rjune: | _nero_: I gotta be part of that |
| [02:46:00] | _nero_: | jams- let me know what you think.. |
| [02:46:00] | Dagmar: | _nero_: He must be a fan of that Krylon gold flake |
| [02:46:00] | nickv111: | rjune: How would you install it on knoppix? |
| [02:46:00] | rjune: | _nero_: who's the goober? |
| [02:46:00] | nickv111: | rjune: After all, knoppix is based on debian |
| [02:47:00] | rjune: | nickv111: use knoppmyth and be done with it |
| [02:47:00] | nickv111: | rjune: Ughh |
| [02:47:00] | nickv111: | rjune: Well, that doesn't help much |
| [02:47:00] | rjune: | sorry. |
| [02:47:00] | rjune: | check in the regular repos |
| [02:47:00] | nickv111: | rjune: I have |
| [02:48:00] | rjune: | _nero_: wtf? is that place stupider then normal today? |
| [02:48:00] | jams: | _nero_- you haven't done the fun screens yet =) |
| [02:48:00] | dhofstra: | nickv1111 ... this wouldnt be something that helps you http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists . . . ythtv/README |
| [02:48:00] | _nero_: | jams- oh, the video/music/etc?? |
| [02:48:00] | jams: | yeah |
| [02:48:00] | _nero_: | I have a new version with a few of those I am working on.. |
| [02:49:00] | jams: | and the program finder |
| [02:49:00] | _nero_: | trying to do an antique radio motif for mythmusic.. |
| [02:49:00] | jams: | and the guide..that one is a pain |
| [02:49:00] | nickv111: | dhofstra: Oh... |
| [02:49:00] | _nero_: | jams- it is still usable.. ;) |
| [02:49:00] | jams: | yes it is |
| [02:49:00] | _nero_: | so you like? |
| [02:50:00] | jams: | need to see it on the screen downstairs |
| [02:50:00] | jams: | it has the correct font installed |
| [02:50:00] | _nero_: | yup.. the font is key.. |
| [02:50:00] | dhofstra: | nickv111 I dont really know if that applies to you, but it affects my xbox for sure |
| [02:50:00] | _nero_: | gotta make a normal font version.. ;) |
| [02:50:00] | jams: | right now the font's are HUGE |
| [02:50:00] | nickv111: | dhofstra: I'm running Xebian, and I have no idea how to run MythTV now. |
| [02:51:00] | dhofstra: | heh |
| [02:51:00] | dhofstra: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/164736 |
| [02:51:00] | _nero_: | BWAHAHAHA _nero_ what happens when you insmod libGLU.so.1.3.502 |
| [02:51:00] | rjune: | _nero_: you like my response? |
| [02:51:00] | Nothingman: | also wondering if there's a way to set things so that I don't have to constantly hear the TV sound coming out of my comp from the moment Myth starts recording and thereafter |
| [02:51:00] | Nothingman: | in fact, since the "Live" TV option plays the pre-recorded MPEG (.nuv, whatever format exactly), I hear the station I want to watch twice |
| [02:51:00] | _nero_: | pretty funny.. like mine? |
| [02:52:00] | dhofstra: | jams and _nero_ : whatca talkin bout? |
| [02:52:00] | rjune: | yeah |
| [02:52:00] | rjune: | _nero_: so what's your actual problem? nvidia drivers? |
| [02:52:00] | MaxPower: | can i use the hauppauge remote with a pvr-500 |
| [02:52:00] | jams: | _nero_- started on a theme a long long time ago |
| [02:52:00] | _nero_: | rjune, ldconfig sees libGLU just fine, but ld does not. |
| [02:52:00] | jams: | dhofstra- _nero_- started on a theme a long long time ago |
| [02:53:00] | dhofstra: | yeah, the movie one? |
| [02:53:00] | _nero_: | dhofstra, and it is finally to a point where, while incomplete, can be used. |
| [02:53:00] | rjune: | where is libGLU? |
| [02:53:00] | jams: | yes |
| [02:53:00] | djperegrine: | rjune, libGLU is opengl |
| [02:53:00] | _nero_: | rjune- /usr/X11R6/lib |
| [02:54:00] | rjune: | djperegrine: very good. |
| [02:54:00] | rjune: | _nero_: you're trying to build something? |
| [02:54:00] | _nero_: | yup. |
| [02:54:00] | jams: | hehehe |
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| [02:54:00] | rjune: | try export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib" |
| [02:54:00] | nickv111: | dhofstra: So, how have you gotten around it? I'm thinking of just using freevo, but I'm not sure if it can record / watch TV remotely |
| [02:54:00] | djperegrine: | oh lol |
| [02:55:00] | djperegrine: | I didn't read the following messages my bad rjune :P |
| [02:55:00] | rjune: | djperegrine: no worries. |
| [02:55:00] | _nero_: | rjune- nope.. still the same error.. |
| [02:55:00] | dhofstra: | nickv111 .. I am the last 2 posters on that topic.. I havent gotten around it.. I have however downloaded that guys torrent of his E:/debian directory, but I dont know how to move the files there |
| [02:55:00] | rjune: | _nero_: whatcha building? |
| [02:56:00] | _nero_: | svn mythtv (libmyth is where it dies) |
| [02:56:00] | nickv111: | dhofstra: I'll just go with freevo, which is already installed. I just don't know how to get remove viewing / watching of TV, over a network. I don't want every machine to have a TV tuner |
| [02:56:00] | dhofstra: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . bian;#155248 |
| [02:56:00] | Dagmar: | rjune: He showed me this pastebin earlier... http://pastebin.com/445698 It *should* be working |
| [02:57:00] | dhofstra: | is about the torrent thing ... wayyyy down |
| [02:58:00] | rjune: | yeah, yeah it should. |
| [02:58:00] | rjune: | _nero_: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so |
| [02:59:00] | _nero_: | doesnt exist.. but libGLU.so.1 does. |
| [02:59:00] | rjune: | ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so |
| [02:59:00] | rjune: | then try |
| [03:00:00] | _nero_: | bingo.. |
| [03:00:00] | _nero_: | thanks rjune.. |
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| [03:00:00] | _nero_: | kinda confusing, since ldconfig lists libGLU just fine.. |
| [03:01:00] | rjune: | no problem |
| [03:01:00] | rjune: | your devel package should have done that |
| [03:01:00] | rjune: | _nero_: bear with it |
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| [03:04:00] | rjune: | _nero_: LOL GRUB? |
| [03:04:00] | _nero_: | hehehe |
| [03:05:00] | _nero_: | grub boot loader? Couldnt that fix it? |
| [03:05:00] | rjune: | he's got 500 computers? dear god |
| [03:05:00] | rjune: | well, I suppose, you're preloading it at boot right? |
| [03:05:00] | _nero_: | haha |
| [03:05:00] | _nero_: | make it more efficient that way.. x10 |
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| [03:06:00] | Criggie: | does a MS optical mouse have to be red ? |
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| [03:09:00] | MaxPower: | anyone know where i can buy a usb IR receiver |
| [03:10:00] | jams: | MaxPower- the streamzap remote/receiver is usb |
| [03:10:00] | jams: | $30 |
| [03:10:00] | rjune: | Criggie: I think there might possibly be a blue one. |
| [03:11:00] | MaxPower: | is it possible to get just the receiver... i bought the remote from the hauppauge website, and it didnt include a receiver |
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| [03:12:00] | rjune: | _nero_: LOL he was kidding about the pot |
| [03:15:00] | teevee: | did someone say 'pot?' ;-) |
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| [03:19:00] | nickv111: | dhofstra: Nevermind. I don't want to use freevo. I really can't believe that the debian people don't have mythtv in their repository |
| [03:20:00] | Chutt: | debian can't have myth in their repository |
| [03:21:00] | rjune: | non-free deps? |
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| [03:21:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [03:21:00] | nickv111: | Like? |
| [03:21:00] | rjune: | so it can go into nonfree |
| [03:21:00] | rjune: | mp3 |
| [03:21:00] | rjune: | Chutt: you chat with jono at all? |
| [03:22:00] | Chutt: | liblame's not in debian. |
| [03:22:00] | nickv111: | Chutt: So, do you know how to run MythTV on debian? |
| [03:22:00] | Chutt: | you compile it. |
| [03:22:00] | ** nickv111 shivers ** | |
| [03:22:00] | nickv111: | That's really the best way? |
| [03:22:00] | Chutt: | rjune, nope |
| [03:22:00] | bfree: | liblame from marillat |
| [03:22:00] | Chutt: | marillat's not debian. |
| [03:23:00] | Chutt: | things that depend on external packages can't go into debian. |
| [03:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | nickv111: Well, if you don't have apackage what other choice do you have ? |
| [03:23:00] | nickv111: | True |
| [03:23:00] | nickv111: | It just seems ugly |
| [03:23:00] | bfree: | no, it's not debian ... but it's very popular for debian based stuff ... and is nicely packaged to work with official archives |
| [03:24:00] | bfree: | but ymmv |
| [03:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | nickv111: Personally I dislike packages in general and prefer to compile.... but to each their own :) |
| [03:24:00] | Chutt: | bfree, doesn't matter, it still means that myth can't go into debian. |
| [03:25:00] | teevee: | i don't like binary packages |
| [03:25:00] | nickv111: | I suppose it's no wonder why Xebian uses freevo, then |
| [03:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can only imagine |
| [03:25:00] | teevee: | gentoo's emerge is really nice for compiling everything |
| [03:25:00] | nickv111: | The only problem with freevo is that I'm not sure if it can view TV when another machine has the TV tuner |
| [03:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though I know there are plenty of Xebian myth users |
| [03:25:00] | teevee: | i found that emerging mythtv was rather painless |
| [03:26:00] | nickv111: | teevee: I've done it before, but I'm running this on an Xbox, and I'd prefer to avoid GentoOX |
| [03:26:00] | nickv111: | GentooX* |
| [03:26:00] | teevee: | nickv111: yeah, i prefer computer monitors over tvs |
| [03:27:00] | wooties: | hmm im trying to install knoppmyth, i followe dall the instructions and rebooted now all im getting is a black blinking screen with a cursor |
| [03:27:00] | teevee: | i doubt i'll ever do the xbox thing, but good luck |
| [03:28:00] | wooties: | any clue anyone? |
| [03:28:00] | nickv111: | I want to have a TV tuner in one machine and have mythtv control that and do recordings and such. I then want to have mythtv running on another viewing TV and recordings |
| [03:28:00] | nickv111: | But I don't want mythtv anymore, if it's going to be that much of a hassle. The problem is, I don't know if I can do that with freevo |
| [03:28:00] | MaxPower: | When i try to watch Live tv i get this error in the console output "Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/storage/ringbuf1.nuv |
| [03:28:00] | MaxPower: | " i have a pvr-500 anyone seen this before |
| [03:28:00] | nickv111: | Grr... |
| [03:28:00] | Chutt: | so, quit bitching in the mythtv channel if you don't feel like compiling it. |
| [03:28:00] | nickv111: | Okay |
| [03:29:00] | nickv111: | Well, thanks for your time |
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| [03:29:00] | rjune: | Chutt: jono was looking for people to demo myth @ some uk thin |
| [03:29:00] | rjune: | thing |
| [03:29:00] | Chutt: | ... and? |
| [03:31:00] | teevee: | so far nuv2disc is pants, i'm stuck where it says you need to install eboxy plugins such as playlist and rcon, I went to the plugins list page and there are no links for those two (and no links for many of the other plugins listed on that page) |
| [03:32:00] | rjune: | Chutt: and I figured if anybody would know somebody capable of doing it in the uk, you would. I told him to ask you about it if he saw you |
| [03:32:00] | Chutt: | oh, no, i wouldn't :p |
| [03:32:00] | ** rjune shrugs, ok I was wrong ** | |
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| [03:33:00] | teevee: | nevermind, I see now, the one link "source" must be for all seven of the plugins not included with eboxy |
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| [03:35:00] | hadees: | So I just intalled a new version of the nvidia driver beta 8168 and now I am seeing a bunch of audio buffering problems on my frontend, |
| [03:36:00] | hadees: | how possible is it that these are related |
| [03:36:00] | Chutt: | don't use unreleased drivers? |
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| [03:38:00] | Chutt: | 8168's buggy |
| [03:38:00] | Chutt: | :p |
| [03:39:00] | rjune: | hadees: nvidia drivers taint your kernel, you won't find much love or support anywhere |
| [03:39:00] | rjune: | Chutt: any idea on the next myth? |
| [03:40:00] | rjune: | gah, when it'll fight it's way to the world? |
| [03:40:00] | wooties: | grr i hate trying to set all this up |
| [03:40:00] | Chutt: | i delay releases whenever people ask about em |
| [03:41:00] | rjune: | sweet, so if I wanted to really cause grief, I would ask every day |
| [03:41:00] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [03:41:00] | rjune: | how about if I ask once in my life, which I think is my track record |
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| [03:44:00] | Chutt: | hehe |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [03:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ack, and I asked today, so we both pushed it out! |
| [03:46:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: crap, why didn't you tell me |
| [03:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | But since I run svn it doesn't really affect me much anyway :) |
| [03:46:00] | rjune: | I don't run svn |
| [03:46:00] | rjune: | and I'm waiting for the next release to try and get it into livna |
| [03:47:00] | wooties: | ok so im creating the drive so now how to i set its tpe to ext2 and ext3? |
| [03:49:00] | Goshen: | Where do I change the config file for mythdvd to tell it to rip to /home/video not /var/lib/mythvideo ? |
| [03:49:00] | wooties: | ok so im creating the drive so now how to i set its tpe to ext2 and ext3? |
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| [03:50:00] | Goshen: | wooties: check this out for an in depth discussion about that...http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux . . . ddrives.html |
| [03:50:00] | Goshen: | I chose ext3, and I heard someone earlyer today do the same |
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| [03:52:00] | wooties: | i do i make it ext3 though? |
| [03:52:00] | Goshen: | how many video cards will be capturing? |
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| [03:52:00] | Pio: | i notice when i start mythfrontend, it seems to be restoring my mixer volume states from somewhere.. anyone know where the mixer data it restores from is stored? |
| [03:52:00] | Goshen: | hdtv or normal tv? |
| [03:53:00] | wooties: | hd |
| [03:53:00] | wooties: | gos: I read it doesnt tell me the command to make it ext3? |
| [03:53:00] | Goshen: | Pio: I saw a flag today in setup that makes it leave the sound level the same |
| [03:53:00] | Pio: | thanks ill check for that |
| [03:54:00] | wooties: | Goshen: my question is i have sda3 and right now its type is linux |
| [03:54:00] | wooties: | how do i make it linux ext3? |
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| [03:55:00] | Pio: | hmm 'Use Internal Volume controls' |
| [03:56:00] | Criggie: | wooties: sda3 means its the third partition on the first scsi drive |
| [03:56:00] | Pio: | oh nope thats not it |
| [03:56:00] | Criggie: | wooties: ext3 is a filesystem format applied to that partition |
| [03:56:00] | Goshen: | wooties: in my case...I open mandriva control pannel and click, and it does it |
| [03:56:00] | Criggie: | wooties: you need mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 as root, which will kill any existing files there. |
| [03:57:00] | Goshen: | why are the config files not in /etc ?....where are they? |
| [03:57:00] | Goshen: | mythdvd is trying to rip to /var/lib/mythvideo and I need it to go to /home/video |
| [03:57:00] | Chutt: | there are no config files. |
| [03:58:00] | Goshen: | Chutt: how do I tell mythvideo to use a different directory then? |
| [03:58:00] | rjune: | LOL |
| [03:58:00] | Goshen: | should I just make a symlink? |
| [03:58:00] | Chutt: | you use the settings screens? |
| [03:59:00] | Goshen: | aha! Man this has the steepest learning curve |
| [04:00:00] | Pio: | wow thats weird alsa actually has some kind of feedback look set up in my emu10k1 |
| [04:00:00] | Chutt: | what, it's a 'learning curve' in that it provides graphical settings for everything, instead of text files? |
| [04:00:00] | Chutt: | yeah, that makes sense. |
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| [04:01:00] | Pio: | man that is weird |
| [04:02:00] | Pio: | man i might just try and use btaudio, im having some whacky stuff with this new card.. |
| [04:03:00] | Pio: | when you select the 'do not adjust volume' option in your capture card config in setup, thats talking about an actual call it performs to the hardware that effects the volume it captures at or something, right? |
| [04:03:00] | Pio: | not just alsa levels |
| [04:04:00] | rjune: | Chutt: we're used to text files though |
| [04:05:00] | Pio: | because i'll start this system, and small tv apps like tvtime produce a nice clean sound on my capturing input on my sound card.. but then i start myth, and it instantly becomes very distorted, and even if i restore the alsa state that was being used when tvtime was working, it remains distorted |
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| [04:07:00] | otherconte: | anyone noticed 'choppy' playback with interlaced video (from an mpeg2 card)? I think its the front end, since it varies whether its choppy or not, and i've tried all the settings i could think of for playback, without luck. |
| [04:07:00] | otherconte: | Was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions |
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| [04:24:00] | hadees: | well it was the unreleased nvivdia drives, damn because i there were reports the the xorg lockups were fixed but for what ever it fscked up audio buffering mythtv, which I am guess is really an alsa problem |
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| [04:26:00] | Freddie is now known as Freddie511 | |
| [04:28:00] | Freddie511: | Hi all, I am in need of some suggestions... |
| [04:29:00] | Freddie511: | google hasn't been much help |
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| [04:30:00] | Freddie511: | my computer randoml locks up, usually during recording |
| [04:31:00] | Freddie511: | also, live tv has these intermmitant split-second pauses |
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| [04:31:00] | Freddie511: | and whenever I'm recording or watching live tv, my /var/log/messages is filled with the message "kernel: FIFO overrun ..." |
| [04:37:00] | Goshen: | Freddie511: I would suggest posting to the mailing list with as much detail as possible |
| [04:37:00] | Goshen: | Freddie511: it gets really quiet in here around this time |
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| [04:38:00] | Freddie511: | yeah, i'll probably do that |
| [04:39:00] | Goshen: | I am happy now that I got mythdvd working, its nice that you can keep ripping as it is transcoding other jobs |
| [04:41:00] | wooties: | i cant even get linux working lol |
| [04:42:00] | wooties: | i install knoppmyth and retart like it says |
| [04:42:00] | wooties: | only shows black screen with blinking cursor |
| [04:42:00] | Goshen: | wooties: at least it isn't the 1010101010101010101 that forever scrolls :) |
| [04:42:00] | wooties: | not x or whatever with knoppmyth |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | i guess |
| [04:43:00] | Goshen: | does it boot at all? |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | nothing does |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | just goes to a black screen with blinking cursor |
| [04:43:00] | Goshen: | sata drives or ide? |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | sata |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | http://www.mysettopbox.tv/doc.html |
| [04:43:00] | wooties: | folowed the instructions to the que |
| [04:44:00] | wooties: | and set lilo to primary boot drive |
| [04:45:00] | Goshen: | thats rough |
| [04:45:00] | Goshen: | oh hey, try this |
| [04:45:00] | Goshen: | have you tried noapic? |
| [04:45:00] | wooties: | whats that? |
| [04:46:00] | Goshen: | apic is some kind of automatic primary interupt crap |
| [04:46:00] | Goshen: | it messes up my mandriva installs every time |
| [04:47:00] | Goshen: | try to disable it in the bios if you can |
| [04:47:00] | wooties: | i see |
| [04:47:00] | Goshen: | if not, boot knoppix and edit your lilo.conf file |
| [04:47:00] | wooties: | where int he bios would it be? |
| [04:47:00] | Goshen: | here is what mine looks like |
| [04:47:00] | Goshen: | no idea, I just saw it in mine today |
| [04:47:00] | Goshen: | and disabled it |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | image=/boot/vmlinuz |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | label="linux" |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | root=/dev/hda6 |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | initrd=/boot/initrd.img |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | append=" noapic splash=silent" |
| [04:48:00] | wooties: | see i dont even know how to set that up |
| [04:48:00] | wooties: | or edit it |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | in the mandriva boot manager there is a force no apic switch that I use |
| [04:48:00] | Goshen: | and I have to boot the install by pressing F1 then typing linux noapic |
| [04:49:00] | Goshen: | new to linux ehh? |
| [04:51:00] | wooties: | very |
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| [04:53:00] | Goshen: | if you are patient, and willing to learn, its completely worth it... |
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| [04:53:00] | wooties: | i am |
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| [04:53:00] | wooties: | just a pain ive tried install knoppmyth several times now it fails every time |
| [04:53:00] | wooties: | just goes to that black screen |
| [04:54:00] | Goshen: | my neibor does understand linux and still went with windows PVR |
| [04:55:00] | Goshen: | because of all of the problems with drivers and config files and such |
| [04:55:00] | wooties: | yeah |
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| [04:55:00] | wooties: | mythtv sounds liek the best hands down pvr though |
| [04:56:00] | Goshen: | I was happy to get my svideo out working on my ATI card today with the ATI drivers, of course it messed up the normal vga output, made it very very faded and white...but I can live with that as it is going to be connected to the tv |
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| [04:56:00] | Goshen: | wooties: it is :) |
| [04:56:00] | Goshen: | with the right hardware |
| [04:56:00] | Goshen: | I have a hauppauge PVR 500 coming tomorrow |
| [04:57:00] | Goshen: | the PVR 500 has two tuners on one card :) |
| [04:57:00] | Dagmar: | They're very nice. |
| [04:57:00] | wooties: | i have a pvr -150 the one witht he remote |
| [04:57:00] | Goshen: | wooties: that shouldn't be too hard to set up then |
| [04:57:00] | wooties: | any other programs liek knoppmyth? |
| [04:57:00] | Goshen: | I have a very old wintv card, and the audio doesn't work on it |
| [04:58:00] | wooties: | well issue is i cant even get knoppmyth to install right |
| [04:58:00] | Goshen: | unless you put a patch cable to the mic jack, and that is just really messy and can't get it working with recording |
| [04:58:00] | Goshen: | wooties: do you have an old ide drive hanging around? |
| [04:59:00] | Goshen: | might try it on there, to see if it is the sata drivers that is messing you up |
| [04:59:00] | wooties: | no i dont |
| [04:59:00] | wooties: | but ide would make it alot easier |
| [04:59:00] | wooties: | they have auto install with ide support |
| [05:00:00] | Goshen: | can't have too much space right? |
| [05:00:00] | wooties: | lol |
| [05:00:00] | Goshen: | well, you could try it this way...install mandriva 2006.. |
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| [05:00:00] | Goshen: | and urpmi mythtv |
| [05:00:00] | Goshen: | thats what I did |
| [05:01:00] | Goshen: | but you have to use the rpms listed on the mythtv.org page, not the plf ones, because they work better...the packages in plf have several different versions mixed together, its a mess |
| [05:01:00] | Goshen: | I thought I saw another knoppmyth like distro |
| [05:02:00] | Goshen: | nope, just one for specific hardare |
| [05:03:00] | Goshen: | heading to bed...good luck! |
| [05:04:00] | wooties: | thank man |
| [05:06:00] | FairWtns: | Latest svn is looking very interesting by the roadmap. |
| [05:07:00] | FairWtns: | Anyone having an OSD 'flicker' problem? Everything was moving nicely till I went with an LCD tv. |
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| [05:13:00] | poop_: | Fair: I get that too |
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| [05:14:00] | FairWtns: | Mine is now a sync issue. The screen (and the osd, with it's thin lines is most noticeable) will jump/flicker for 8 minutes or so, then be crystal clear for 3, then 8 of flicker, repeat. |
| [05:15:00] | FairWtns: | Before, when I was using s-video (now using direct vga) it was perfect. |
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| [05:18:00] | cwsmith: | anyone setup a myth xbox frontend ? |
| [05:19:00] | cwsmith: | also when using like vga to hdtv (composite or whatever) is it much more clearer like real tv or do you still have all the interlacing problems |
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| [05:21:00] | eiggirC: | cwsmith: depends if you're applying a filter or not. |
| [05:21:00] | eiggirC: | cwsmith: and how good your TV is anyway |
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| [05:21:00] | eiggirC: | and how much CPU you have |
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| [05:26:00] | dft: | oi |
| [05:26:00] | dft: | who's maintaining mythtv for debian now that mdz has dropped the project? |
| [05:26:00] | eiggirC: | fuck knows. |
| [05:26:00] | eiggirC: | I'm seriously thinking of changing distro for my mythbox |
| [05:27:00] | cwsmith: | running 2.8ghz p4 |
| [05:27:00] | cwsmith: | 1gb ram |
| [05:27:00] | dft: | eiggirC: are you currently running debian? |
| [05:27:00] | eiggirC: | cwsmith: well that'll have enough snot to run some filters if you want to |
| [05:27:00] | cwsmith: | and a crap load of space |
| [05:27:00] | eiggirC: | dft: yeah. Having strange dependancy problems |
| [05:27:00] | cwsmith: | tv is execellent |
| [05:27:00] | wooties: | any one have a second to help me install my video card drivers? |
| [05:27:00] | cwsmith: | used to run dish straight to tv and was beyond crystal clear |
| [05:27:00] | dft: | eiggirC: damn, I just finished a clean install too |
| [05:28:00] | eiggirC: | cwsmith: good man :) Mythers find that Live TV is something you watch less and less of. |
| [05:28:00] | ** dft eyeballs FC4 ** | |
| [05:28:00] | cwsmith: | now the closed i can get to clear is using a mx4000 |
| [05:28:00] | eiggirC: | dft: how did myth install for you? |
| [05:28:00] | eiggirC: | dft: some people have advised installing myth* from source on debian |
| [05:28:00] | cwsmith: | so should non live be more clear cause it seams the same to me and i have set up my recording profiles |
| [05:28:00] | dft: | eiggirC: it didn't.. I have no source for files using apt-get |
| [05:28:00] | cwsmith: | so i guress i figure i will try a vga to hd |
| [05:28:00] | eiggirC: | cwsmith: it will be the same quality |
| [05:28:00] | cwsmith: | to see if i can get max clear like i am used to |
| [05:29:00] | cwsmith: | and or try my xbox as a myth frontend |
| [05:29:00] | dft: | eiggirC: src seems to be my only choice |
| [05:29:00] | ** dft goes for src ** | |
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| [05:30:00] | _nero_: | humm.. what is the best way to do this- I have a front-end that I want to mount the music volume on my main mythtv box.. |
| [05:30:00] | _nero_: | I can have it mount at boot (say, NFS) but what if the backend is off when the machine boots? |
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| [05:30:00] | EnterUse1Name: | hi all |
| [05:30:00] | EnterUse1Name: | quick question which format is .nuv? |
| [05:30:00] | _nero_: | is it possible to set up a mount point to attempt to mount an NFS if the system tries to use /mnt/music? |
| [05:31:00] | cwsmith: | its the format of mythtv :) |
| [05:31:00] | EnterUse1Name: | oh |
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| [05:31:00] | EnterUse1Name: | well i cant put that into my dvd coder :( |
| [05:31:00] | cwsmith: | lol |
| [05:31:00] | Brixius: | Hello |
| [05:31:00] | EnterUse1Name: | it was saving in mpg format before :) |
| [05:31:00] | EnterUse1Name: | wonder why they changed it back.. |
| [05:31:00] | wooties: | ok so i have the volari v3xt video card... how do i install a driver for it? |
| [05:33:00] | Brixius: | I'm a bit stuck, I'm wondering if it's possible to setup mythbackend to use the same tuner if 2 frontends want to watch the same channel? |
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| [05:34:00] | bobb: | hello |
| [05:34:00] | bobb: | not sure if this is the place to ask this, but is there a mythrecipe release that compiles with mythtv 17 |
| [05:35:00] | Dagmar: | Why the old version? |
| [05:35:00] | EnterUse1Name: | hey |
| [05:36:00] | bobb: | got a computer that's got no internet access running mythtv .17. The only way I can get files to it until the wireless card arrives is by burning cds, and the wife is clamoring for mythrecipe |
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| [05:36:00] | ** EnterUse1Name sighs... nuvexport is so slow ** | |
| [05:37:00] | bobb: | so I got the latest (I think) release of mythrecipe to it, and it doesn't compile |
| [05:38:00] | EnterUse1Name: | hey which is better |
| [05:38:00] | EnterUse1Name: | any2vob or nuvexport? |
| [05:38:00] | EnterUse1Name: | which is quicker? |
| [05:39:00] | EnterUse1Name is now known as EnterUserNAme | |
| [05:41:00] | wooties: | any one here using a volari vx3t video card that can help me set it up? |
| [05:42:00] | FairWtns: | I can't believe LiveTv is a "blocker" for .19. I haven't watched LiveTv in my own home in well over a year now. |
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| [05:43:00] | Juski: | morning |
| [05:43:00] | EnterUserNAme: | wwhata blocker? |
| [05:43:00] | wooties: | any one have a second to help me install my video card drivers? |
| [05:43:00] | Juski: | wooties: what card do you have? |
| [05:43:00] | FairWtns: | EnterUserNAme:It's just something listed as "must fix" before the next release. |
| [05:44:00] | Dagmar: | Weird. LIveTV works here |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserNAme: | Livetv works for mine |
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| [05:44:00] | EnterUserNAme: | it was saving as .nuv files whihcv was annoying |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserNAme: | :) |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserNAme is now known as EnterUserName | |
| [05:44:00] | EnterUserName: | but i think its fixed now |
| [05:45:00] | EnterUserName: | does anyone nkow afaster decoder then nuvexporT? |
| [05:45:00] | EnterUserName: | is any2vob faster? |
| [05:45:00] | Juski: | trying to compile SVN (well not quite)... .configure is failing with big/little test failed |
| [05:45:00] | Juski: | error, no memalign() but sse enabled, either disable it or use --enable-memalign-hack |
| [05:45:00] | Juski: | - should I just --enable--memalign-hack ? |
| [05:45:00] | Pio: | i dont think nuvexport could really be any faster.. |
| [05:45:00] | Pio: | if you want faster exporting using a codec that takes less cpu |
| [05:46:00] | EnterUserName: | Pio: Where can i find this codec? |
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| [05:46:00] | EnterUserName: | i was using Main Actor but it dosnt support nuv :( |
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| [05:46:00] | ** rpete just ordered a 37" lcd hdtv...hope it fulfills expectations ** | |
| [05:46:00] | EnterUserName: | Pio: Where can i find a better codec? |
| [05:47:00] | Juski: | EnterUserName: Pio has left the building |
| [05:47:00] | EnterUserName: | oh |
| [05:47:00] | EnterUserName: | darn |
| [05:47:00] | wooties: | juski have a second? |
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| [05:47:00] | Juski: | the "Pio left the room" message could have been a clue ;) |
| [05:47:00] | EnterUserName: | ya |
| [05:48:00] | Juski: | wooties: what card do you have? if it's ATI I can't (won't) help |
| [05:48:00] | EnterUserName: | juski: do you know anything quicker then nuvexport or any2vob? |
| [05:48:00] | ** EnterUserName sighs. I can't believe i saved it as nuv :( ** | |
| [05:48:00] | wooties: | someone tell me im trying to get my video card drivers hooked up... I know one the net where the linux drivers are, but how do i get them and install them on my linux box.. all i have is the basic prompt command |
| [05:49:00] | Juski: | EnterUserName: nope. If you're exporting to anything MPEG4 based expect about 27–32fps on an Athlon 2Ghz |
| [05:49:00] | EnterUserName: | hrm |
| [05:49:00] | Juski: | wooties: if you'd tell me what make of video card you have I might be able to help |
| [05:49:00] | EnterUserName: | juski: i have an ahtlon 2.2ghz |
| [05:49:00] | EnterUserName: | 64 bit |
| [05:50:00] | wooties: | juski: http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download2.asp |
| [05:50:00] | EnterUserName: | and im getting 5.45 fps |
| [05:50:00] | EnterUserName: | any ideas how to make it go faster |
| [05:50:00] | wooties: | volari V3XT |
| [05:51:00] | laga: | Juski: you sure that you're talking about nuvexport? it's really slow. especially if you're using denoising. |
| [05:51:00] | Juski: | ahhh.. I only have experience with mythtranscode |
| [05:51:00] | Juski: | oops |
| [05:51:00] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [05:51:00] | Juski: | 5fps with nuvexport? yikes |
| [05:51:00] | EnterUserName: | ya |
| [05:51:00] | EnterUserName: | mainactor was pretty quick |
| [05:52:00] | EnterUserName: | juski: how do you use mythtranscode? |
| [05:52:00] | Juski: | it's the built-in transcoder.. just set a user job on a recording |
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| [05:52:00] | Juski: | errr.. I think |
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| [05:52:00] | EnterUserName: | juski: whats the paramters :) |
| [05:53:00] | wooties: | juski any clue? |
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| [05:53:00] | Juski: | wooties: I looked at that page.. and erm... eeeew! |
| [05:53:00] | wooties: | what? |
| [05:54:00] | Juski: | and wooties: if you've installed linux & all you have is a command shell on the screen, maybe you need to try startx |
| [05:54:00] | wooties: | im using knoppmyth |
| [05:54:00] | EnterUserName: | juski: nevermind im on he myth site.. lookign ati t |
| [05:54:00] | wooties: | so it runs mythtv |
| [05:55:00] | Juski: | wooties: it probably doesn't have drivers for your card anyway (maybe generic VGA drivers) |
| [05:55:00] | wooties: | yes that site does |
| [05:55:00] | wooties: | it has linux drivers |
| [05:55:00] | ** EnterUserName ponders.. ** | |
| [05:55:00] | Juski: | wooties: I meant knoppmyth probably won't |
| [05:55:00] | wooties: | i just need to figure out how to install them |
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| [05:55:00] | wooties: | yeah i know they dont |
| [05:55:00] | wooties: | so i need to install them |
| [05:55:00] | wooties: | so i can do tv out and all that |
| [05:55:00] | Juski: | wooties: without a graphical web browser it looks like that site has you screwed |
| [05:56:00] | Juski: | I could probably download something from there for you & put it on my webserver |
| [05:56:00] | Juski: | then you could use the _wget_ command to grab it |
| [05:57:00] | wooties: | sure if you dont mind |
| [05:58:00] | wooties: | http://www.xgitech.com/sd/sd_download3.asp?CT . . . D568C9D4EC2} |
| [05:58:00] | wooties: | does that work? |
| [05:58:00] | Juski: | wooties: those drivers will only work with 2.4 kernels. I think even knoppmyth is using 2.6 now |
| [05:58:00] | wooties: | cause thats wht i need |
| [05:58:00] | wooties: | serious? |
| [05:59:00] | Juski: | thats what it looks like |
| [05:59:00] | wooties: | can we try it anyways? |
| [05:59:00] | Juski: | yeh why not |
| [05:59:00] | Juski: | I'm downloading it now |
| [05:59:00] | wooties: | ok i cant startx |
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| [05:59:00] | wooties: | cause its active in slot0 |
| [05:59:00] | wooties: | so how do i stop it |
| [06:00:00] | Juski: | find the process (use ps) it's using & kill it (very messy way but it works) |
| [06:01:00] | Juski: | e.g. ps -ef |grep X |
| [06:01:00] | wooties: | its running on display 0 how do i kill it? |
| [06:02:00] | Juski: | erm... if the VGA drivers arent installed how is it even still running? when I have a problem like that it usually won't even start up |
| [06:02:00] | wooties: | i dont know |
| [06:03:00] | wooties: | when i start linux it shows the nice mythtv screen |
| [06:03:00] | wooties: | i press alt + f1 |
| [06:03:00] | Juski: | anyone any pointers on this big/little endian error ./configure tells me? |
| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | hrm |
| [06:03:00] | Juski: | right... |
| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | this logo needs to be transparent |
| [06:03:00] | Juski: | Chutt: which logo? |
| [06:03:00] | EnterUserName: | heyw heres the link that tells you hwo to get mythtv to automatically transcode yoru files? |
| [06:03:00] | wooties: | now im on command |
| [06:03:00] | EnterUserName: | i cant find it |
| [06:03:00] | _nero_: | damn.. autofs is nice.. :) |
| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | one for the wiki |
| [06:04:00] | wooties: | juski any uck on the drivers? |
| [06:04:00] | Juski: | wooties... moving it to my webserver now |
| [06:04:00] | wooties: | will you tell me exact commands to do im still really new to linux |
| [06:05:00] | Juski: | wooties: type wget http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/Volari-Linux-L1.04.06.zip |
| [06:06:00] | Juski: | and maybe knoppmyth isn't the best distro for a non-linux user |
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| [06:07:00] | Juski: | Chutt: was that a hint for someone to make it transparent for you? I've got a spare few minutes ;) |
| [06:07:00] | wooties: | hehe |
| [06:07:00] | wooties: | juski its getting now |
| [06:07:00] | Chutt: | oh, i guess |
| [06:07:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:07:00] | wooties: | what do i do after that |
| [06:07:00] | wooties: | shutt i can do it for you too |
| [06:07:00] | Chutt: | http://www.mythtv.org/oldsite/mythtv-logo.jpg |
| [06:07:00] | Chutt: | have at it |
| [06:07:00] | Chutt: | white needs to be transparent |
| [06:07:00] | EnterUserName: | Is there a way to make mythtv compress your files an encode thema automatically |
| [06:07:00] | wooties: | graphics is one thing im good at |
| [06:07:00] | EnterUserName: | i cant find it on the wiki |
| [06:08:00] | Chutt: | and it'd be nice if that fade didn't look like ass afterwards =) |
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| [06:12:00] | wooties: | Juski i got the file now what? |
| [06:13:00] | mishehu: | does anybody know what the difference between ffmpeg's mpeg4 encoding and xvid4 is as far as performance and quality? |
| [06:16:00] | wooties: | someone how do i install a tgz file? |
| [06:17:00] | Juski: | Chutt: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/mythtv/png |
| [06:17:00] | Juski: | oops |
| [06:17:00] | wooties: | juski how do i insatll the tgz? |
| [06:18:00] | Juski: | http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/mythtv.png |
| [06:18:00] | wooties: | it has 3 of them not sure which to do |
| [06:18:00] | Chutt: | nice |
| [06:18:00] | Chutt: | thanks =) |
| [06:18:00] | Juski: | np |
| [06:18:00] | dieman: | damn |
| [06:19:00] | wooties: | ? |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | if i knew getting hdtv to work on my box was as easy as getting a fx5200 |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | i would ahve done it from the start |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | tried using a ti4600 (no xvmc) and nforce2 igp |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | with no dice |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | throw in a fx5200 and start using xvmc and its super happy |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | 40% cpu |
| [06:19:00] | dieman: | (on a 2800+ sempron socket a) |
| [06:20:00] | dieman: | hrm |
| [06:20:00] | dieman: | its skipping sometimes |
| [06:20:00] | dieman: | probally go back to software |
| [06:20:00] | wooties: | Juski?? |
| [06:20:00] | Dagmar: | Sorry, didn't know you were fishing for that info |
| [06:21:00] | wooties: | Dagmar how do i install a .tgz? |
| [06:21:00] | Juski: | wooties: gunzip the file |
| [06:22:00] | Dagmar: | tar -zxvf filename.tgz |
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| [06:23:00] | wooties: | then what do i do witht he tar? |
| [06:23:00] | Juski: | untar it |
| [06:23:00] | Juski: | tar -xvf filename.tar |
| [06:24:00] | wooties: | it put out a bunch of files one called install.sh |
| [06:24:00] | wooties: | i think thats what i need to run how do i run it? |
| [06:25:00] | Dagmar: | You should perhaps focus your attention on the ones named things like "README" |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | juski, see wiki.mythtv.org |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | and thanks again =) |
| [06:26:00] | mishehu: | wooties: are you a slackware user? |
| [06:26:00] | wooties: | im using knoppmyth |
| [06:26:00] | Juski: | hey Chutt: every little thing helps ;) |
| [06:26:00] | mishehu: | ok, nm then |
| [06:26:00] | mishehu: | slack uses package-proc-index.tgz for its packages. |
| [06:27:00] | Juski: | damn.. that big/little endian test thing.. I haven't even got gcc installed.. rofl... must be too early in the a.m. |
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| [06:28:00] | Juski: | right. that's liblame-dev got |
| [06:29:00] | Juski: | make. command not found. yeeeea right |
| [06:30:00] | Chutt: | what distro? |
| [06:30:00] | Juski: | ubuntu |
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| [06:30:00] | Chutt: | grab build-essential |
| [06:30:00] | Juski: | aha! Thanks Chutt :) |
| [06:31:00] | Chutt: | should pull in all the compiler stuff you need |
| [06:31:00] | Juski: | knew there was summit I forgot |
| [06:31:00] | Juski: | sorted |
| [06:31:00] | Chutt: | and you can grab the build-deps for mythtv, too, if you're using the multiverse archives |
| [06:32:00] | Juski: | I think I've already got them (I hope)... |
| [06:33:00] | Juski: | I'll know as soon as the compiler spits something out |
| [06:33:00] | Juski: | Chutt... that mythtv logo... you don't by any chance have a bigger version do you? |
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| [06:34:00] | Chutt: | nope |
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| [06:34:00] | Juski: | no worries |
| [06:35:00] | Juski: | how's wooties getting on there? |
| [06:36:00] | wooties: | yeah |
| [06:36:00] | wooties: | your right |
| [06:36:00] | wooties: | that driver only does 2.4 |
| [06:36:00] | Juski: | can I delete that file now? |
| [06:36:00] | wooties: | so now what am i suppose to do :( |
| [06:37:00] | Juski: | get a 'proper' video card I guess |
| [06:38:00] | Juski: | no choice, I reckon... mythtv will probably work with a generic VGA driver but chances are it'll be dog slow |
| [06:38:00] | wooties: | juski check this out |
| [06:38:00] | wooties: | http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/14/drivers/video/Kconfig |
| [06:38:00] | wooties: | search vx3t |
| [06:38:00] | wooties: | v3xt |
| [06:38:00] | Juski: | oh right |
| [06:39:00] | wooties: | that mean 2.6 support it? |
| [06:39:00] | Juski: | well maybe I went off on a tangent.. it's early after all |
| [06:40:00] | wooties: | ? |
| [06:40:00] | Juski: | twenty to seven in the morning & I'm compiling mythtv... reminds me of this time a year ago |
| [06:40:00] | wooties: | juski see that though? |
| [06:40:00] | Juski: | yep |
| [06:41:00] | wooties: | that mean my card supported? |
| [06:41:00] | Juski: | possibly |
| [06:41:00] | Juski: | not sticking my neck out too far though |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | well how do i get that stuff? |
| [06:42:00] | Juski: | wooties: knoppmyth already has a 2.6 kernel.. and quite a recent one I'll bet |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | config FB_SIS_315 |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | - bool "SiS 315/330 series support" |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | + bool "SiS 315/330/340 series and XGI support" |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | depends on FB_SIS |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | help |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | - Say Y here to support use of the SiS 315 and 330 series |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | - (315/H/PRO, 55x, 650, 651, 740, 330, 661, 741, 760). |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | + Say Y here to support use of the SiS 315, 330 and 340 series |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | + (315/H/PRO, 55x, 650, 651, 740, 330, 661, 741, 760, 761) as well |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | + as XGI V3XT, V5, V8 and Z7. |
| [06:42:00] | Juski: | whoah there... |
| [06:42:00] | wooties: | so how do i get it to pick up my card? |
| [06:43:00] | Juski: | that's only framebuffer support by the look of it |
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| [06:43:00] | Juski: | and you _ideally_ want accelerated support |
| [06:43:00] | wooties: | oh :( |
| [06:43:00] | Juski: | and a little tip so nobody yells at you for not using a pastebin... use a pastebin in future for more than 2 or 3 lines ;) |
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| [06:44:00] | wooties: | pastebin? |
| [06:45:00] | Juski: | yeh.. go to www.pastebin.com.. pop stuff in there, then post the link :) |
| [06:45:00] | wooties: | ah ok |
| [06:45:00] | Juski: | wooties: is this VGA thing on the motherboard? |
| [06:46:00] | wooties: | vga thing? |
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| [06:46:00] | Juski: | or is it an actual AGP card? |
| [06:46:00] | wooties: | agp |
| [06:46:00] | subbie: | my mythtv says its recording but now its not recording, however it used to work |
| [06:47:00] | wooties: | its suppose to be a kick ass tvout card |
| [06:47:00] | subbie: | :( |
| [06:47:00] | wooties: | has a mpeg2 decoder on it can do up to 20 megs/s |
| [06:47:00] | Juski: | right. and the manufacturer doesn't even have drivers for a 2.6 kernel.. sounds like they really kick ass :/ |
| [06:47:00] | wooties: | and its hdtv out |
| [06:47:00] | wooties: | i know that part is weak |
| [06:47:00] | wooties: | which knopp build uses 2.4? |
| [06:48:00] | Juski: | that's prolly going back a way |
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| [06:48:00] | subbie: | is there a way for me to check where mythtv is trying to save the video files to and how to check to see if it is or isnt |
| [06:48:00] | wooties: | to far back? |
| [06:49:00] | Juski: | subbie: where is mythtv configured to save video to? (tip: find out by running mythtv-setup) |
| [06:49:00] | Juski: | wooties: you might be altogether better off changing to nvidia.. their stuff just _works_ – and no I don't have any shares in em |
| [06:49:00] | subbie: | Juski: well, it had been saving to /var/lib/mythtv. what happened is i bought a USB hd, i moved the files over to it and mounted it at /var/lib/mythtv |
| [06:50:00] | subbie: | Juski: it recognizes the old shows, but the new ones dont seem to record. |
| [06:50:00] | Juski: | ahh.. then maybe the mount has broken |
| [06:50:00] | EnterUserName: | hey all |
| [06:50:00] | subbie: | Juski: but i am able to create files |
| [06:50:00] | EnterUserName: | how do i use avidemux2 |
| [06:50:00] | EnterUserName: | which format do i save it as |
| [06:50:00] | Juski: | subbie.. there's a minimum free disk space mythtv wants.. how much free space do you have on there? |
| [06:51:00] | subbie: | Juski: 240gigs |
| [06:53:00] | Juski: | hmmm |
| [06:53:00] | Juski: | well I gotta get ready for work |
| [06:54:00] | subbie: | :( |
| [06:54:00] | subbie: | anybody have any ideas? |
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| [06:57:00] | subbie: | has anybody ever had a simliar issue? |
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| [07:01:00] | Juski: | subbie: how much space does mythtv _think_ you have on there? |
| [07:01:00] | subbie: | Juski: it seems to see the whole drive |
| [07:02:00] | subbie: | Juski: "4 programs, using 5.5 GB (2 hrs 50 mins) out of 234 GB" |
| [07:02:00] | Juski: | ah ok |
| [07:02:00] | subbie: | and its weird because i can create files as mythtv user in that directory no problem |
| [07:02:00] | subbie: | i have all the proper permissions |
| [07:02:00] | Juski: | was just gonna ask that |
| [07:03:00] | subbie: | is there somewhere mythtv would dump error messages if there were any? |
| [07:03:00] | Juski: | in the mythbackend log |
| [07:03:00] | subbie: | i checked dmesg and var/log/messges and there was nothing out of the ordinary |
| [07:03:00] | Juski: | I think dmesg is more for the kernel |
| [07:04:00] | subbie: | yeah, but i figured if tehre were I/O messages they woudl be in there |
| [07:04:00] | Juski: | try /var/log/mythtv |
| [07:04:00] | Juski: | does livetv still work? |
| [07:04:00] | subbie: | yeah |
| [07:04:00] | subbie: | works fine |
| [07:04:00] | subbie: | and i can watch all the old shows i copied over |
| [07:04:00] | subbie: | heres something i see that isn't right |
| [07:04:00] | Juski: | the reason it's not recording any more might have had more to do with the capture/tuner card |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | 2005-12–02 02:01:52.159 Could not open /var/lib/mythtv//1050_20051202014000_20051202020000.nuv.png. 0 retries remaining. |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | double slashes |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | but |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | 2005-12–02 02:01:51.643 Could not open /var/lib/mythtv/1050_20051202014000_20051202020000.nuv. 0 retries remaining. |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | doesn't have them |
| [07:05:00] | Juski: | what's the difference? |
| [07:05:00] | Juski: | apart from the xtra slash I mean |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | thats it |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | oh wait |
| [07:05:00] | subbie: | i see something that seems out of place |
| [07:06:00] | subbie: | 2005-12–02 01:40:28.773 Started recording "The Colbert Report" on channel: 1050 on cardid: 1, sourceid 1 |
| [07:06:00] | subbie: | 2005-12–02 01:40:28.776 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory" |
| [07:06:00] | subbie: | 2005-12–02 01:40:28.778 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 50 |
| [07:06:00] | subbie: | but i can watch live TV fine |
| [07:06:00] | Juski: | so that's why you're not recording |
| [07:06:00] | subbie: | let me quickly go to the actual terminal and see what it says |
| [07:06:00] | Juski: | but live & recording are the same thing basically |
| [07:07:00] | Juski: | subbie... when you changed the disk over did you restart mythbackend? |
| [07:07:00] | subbie: | subbie: i dont think so, im not sure. |
| [07:08:00] | subbie: | i just checked and now live isn't working either |
| [07:08:00] | subbie: | im going to redo the card settings |
| [07:08:00] | Juski: | that'll be something to do with it then ;) |
| [07:10:00] | Dagmar: | Sounds like the driver didn't load |
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| [07:11:00] | Netslayer: | anyone know what package this would be in? v4l2-common.h |
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| [07:12:00] | Juski: | Netslayer: usually the kernel |
| [07:12:00] | Dagmar: | spomi: Why can't they install Mesa? It's prettye asy |
| [07:12:00] | subbie: | Juski: it seems my /dev/video0 just doesn't exist anymore. this is the firs ttime i've rebooted that PC |
| [07:12:00] | Dagmar: | *sigh* wrong channel |
| [07:13:00] | Dagmar: | subbie: Whose base distro are you using? |
| [07:13:00] | subbie: | Juski: i did an lspci and the card shows up so its there |
| [07:13:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: ubuntu |
| [07:13:00] | Juski: | subbie.. as Dagmar just said... maybe the driver didn't load |
| [07:13:00] | Dagmar: | You should have udev doing the work of creating that file |
| [07:13:00] | Dagmar: | Okay, udev should have definitely done it them |
| [07:13:00] | subbie: | 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [07:13:00] | Dagmar: | Lemme explain how that whole business fits together and then you can maybe troubleshoot it on your end more easily |
| [07:14:00] | Juski: | right now it's _really_ time to shake a leg... |
| [07:14:00] | funburn: | can someone help me get XvMC working? |
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| [07:14:00] | Dagmar: | Basically, when you boot up there's a facility called "hotplug" that begins managing USB and PCI devices... |
| [07:14:00] | funburn: | ldd shows that mythfrontend was complied with XvMC support |
| [07:14:00] | funburn: | but every time I turn it on I get "unable to initialize video" |
| [07:15:00] | Netslayer: | my custom ivtv 5.1 ebuild won't compile, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/445855 |
| [07:15:00] | Dagmar: | ...the first step of which is called "coldplugging" where hotplug scans your PCI bus and looks at all the devices and then modprobes the apprpriate drivers. At some point it'll load the driver for the USB controller, and then it'll do the same thing on that |
| [07:15:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: you know what, i just CD'ed into the /lib/modules directory and i think maybe ubuntu upgraded the kernel |
| [07:15:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: which would probably mean the old ivtv modules weren't copied over |
| [07:15:00] | Dagmar: | It's likely that _somehow_ the drivers you have for the video card have either gotten desynched from the kernel (unlikely unless you just rebuilt it), or depmod's database got broken |
| [07:15:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: sounds like from your description that could be the problem |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | subbie: Almost certainly if you just built things anew |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | ivtv is easy to install tho |
| [07:16:00] | subbie: | yeah i just have to remeber where i put it :) |
| [07:16:00] | subbie: | probably broke my lirc for my remote too right? |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | If you have the kernel source present (common requirement for building any modules basically) it's simple |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | Well, if your lirc required a kernel module it will need rebuilding now |
| [07:16:00] | subbie: | yeah im pretty sure it did. |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | ...same goes for the nVidia driver if you're using that. |
| [07:16:00] | subbie: | i'm not! :) |
| [07:17:00] | Dagmar: | I just scribbled a script for my machine to go and redo those things after I change kernels. |
| [07:17:00] | Dagmar: | I got tired of doing them all over again every time |
| [07:17:00] | subbie: | yeah i should probably do that, im not so good at the whole scripting thing |
| [07:17:00] | Dagmar: | Were you using ivtv 0.5.0 or 0.4.0? |
| [07:17:00] | subbie: | 0.3.8 it looks like :) |
| [07:18:00] | Dagmar: | Oooh... get 0.4.0 or 0.5.0 if you have the time |
| [07:18:00] | subbie: | this probably means i have to find that CD with my pvr250 drivers on it again too dont i |
| [07:18:00] | Dagmar: | 0.5.0 uses different names for the firmware, so you'll have to do a bit of reading to know what to rename to what, but 0.4.0 was working fine for me (within limits) |
| [07:19:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... when I grabbed 0.4.0 the docs told me where I could just go and download the firmware, actually |
| [07:19:00] | Dagmar: | There was some script that it has that extracted them from the downloadable file |
| [07:19:00] | Dagmar: | I had the CD for my pvr500 still, I just never had to touch it |
| [07:19:00] | subbie: | what would happen if i just copied the old modules over |
| [07:19:00] | subbie: | to the new kernel |
| [07:19:00] | subbie: | do you suspect explosions would occur? |
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| [07:22:00] | subbie: | we are about to find out :) |
| [07:23:00] | funburn: | has anyone got XvMC working on a amd64 gentoo with 71xx nvidia drivers? |
| [07:23:00] | funburn: | heck if you've got it working with 66xx drivers, I'd love to hear how |
| [07:24:00] | Dagmar: | subbie: If you didn't change your config much, they could very well work, *provided* you didn't turn on explict module versioning |
| [07:24:00] | subbie: | i used the stock ubuntu kernel |
| [07:24:00] | Dagmar: | funburn: When I last checked, XvMC with nVidia (any version) was still hit and miss. Popular symptoms include <10fps and the OSD being in black & white |
| [07:24:00] | subbie: | oh i did change a couple things now that i think about it perhaps |
| [07:24:00] | subbie: | crap |
| [07:24:00] | Dagmar: | *Sometimes* it'll just work fine tho |
| [07:25:00] | subbie: | this probably wont work anyway because |
| [07:25:00] | funburn: | Dagmar: I get "unable to initialize video" |
| [07:25:00] | Dagmar: | subbie: Oh yeah, *don't* enable the preemptive kernel locking stuff in 2.6.x |
| [07:25:00] | funburn: | I would be happy to get hit and miss :) |
| [07:25:00] | subbie: | i think i remeber changing like 1 or 2 things and when ubuntu install the new kernel im sure they didn't bother using my config :) |
| [07:25:00] | Dagmar: | funburn: Well, gentoo (gotta love it for this) may not have built libXvMC.so, or it may have not installed the nVidia driver |
| [07:25:00] | Dagmar: | This is why I don't much care for Gentoo |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | yeah its compiled in |
| [07:26:00] | Dagmar: | They have poor taste in choosing default settings for some things |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | $ ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend |grep Xv |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0x00002aaaac521000) |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | libXvMC.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1 (0x00002aaaac72b000) |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | I used nvidia's driver |
| [07:26:00] | funburn: | not gentoos |
| [07:27:00] | subbie: | i use gentoo on my desktop and generally i like it |
| [07:27:00] | funburn: | yeah, gentoo is fine. |
| [07:27:00] | Dagmar: | Well, if you have a decent machine you can at least get by without XvMC for now |
| [07:27:00] | subbie: | but i think ubuntu is just great too |
| [07:27:00] | funburn: | subbie: I'm with you |
| [07:27:00] | Dagmar: | I never even bothered to enable it with my 1800+ |
| [07:27:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: on a side note, i copied the modules over and it seems to work fine now! |
| [07:27:00] | funburn: | I use ubuntu for all my desktops, and gentoo for the servres |
| [07:27:00] | Dagmar: | Well...other than to say "black & white OSD... icky" |
| [07:27:00] | funburn: | I need XvMC |
| [07:27:00] | Dagmar: | subbie: Cool. You must not have changed anything they depended on |
| [07:28:00] | Dagmar: | funburn: You can't play video full screen withoout it? |
| [07:28:00] | Netslayer: | anyone here compile ivtv? |
| [07:28:00] | funburn: | I've got an HD tuner |
| [07:28:00] | Netslayer: | i've tried on two of my boxes with vastly different archs, and they both fail from source |
| [07:28:00] | subbie: | Dagmar: yeah, i mean it was an upgrade from 2.6.12–9 to 2.6.12–10 so |
| [07:28:00] | funburn: | and I like to have stuff running in the bg |
| [07:28:00] | subbie: | netrix i managed to compile it successfully |
| [07:29:00] | funburn: | when I turn on deinterlacing, things get ugly |
| [07:29:00] | subbie: | netrix: what distro are you using? |
| [07:29:00] | funburn: | even with nothing in the bg |
| [07:30:00] | Dagmar: | Netslayer: Can you pastebin what they said as they failed? |
| [07:30:00] | Netslayer: | http://pastebin.com/445855 |
| [07:30:00] | funburn: | on my previous mythbox, xvmc worked like a charm, but that was x86 |
| [07:30:00] | funburn: | and fedora |
| [07:30:00] | Netslayer: | Dagmar, ^^ |
| [07:31:00] | Netslayer: | i made a custom ebuild, and tried building it manually, same error |
| [07:31:00] | Dagmar: | Netslayer: Line 25 is the giveaway. You need to enable the Video4Linux stuff in your kernel |
| [07:31:00] | Netslayer: | it is, as modules |
| [07:32:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [07:32:00] | funburn: | okay, so it sounds like noone has figured out a fix for this "unable to initialize video" problem right |
| [07:33:00] | funburn: | M |
| [07:33:00] | ** funburn is going to sleep ** | |
| [07:35:00] | Dagmar: | Okay, my suggestion on this ivtv thing is go track down the punter who put this into portage and slap him until he comes up with an answer |
| [07:36:00] | Dagmar: | Lemme search more of my filesytsem |
| [07:37:00] | Dagmar: | I don't think 0.5.1 was ready for release |
| [07:37:00] | Netslayer: | is 0.5.0 better? |
| [07:37:00] | Netslayer: | mythtv isn't turning off the tuner when finished recording |
| [07:37:00] | Netslayer: | i'm getting tuner is busy state 4 messages |
| [07:38:00] | Netslayer: | figured i'd go from 0.4 |
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| [07:40:00] | Dagmar: | 0.5.0 is the _released_ version |
| [07:40:00] | Dagmar: | i.e., someone who develops it actually got it to build. |
| [07:40:00] | Netslayer: | i didn't realize it was marked as unstable release |
| [07:40:00] | Netslayer: | heh |
| [07:41:00] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't count on anything other than the 0.4.0 or 0.5.0 to compile at any given moment. |
| [07:41:00] | Netslayer: | well on this backend i replaced a bttv card with the ivtv pvr250. so i'm thinking that clearing the capture card settings may fix this |
| [07:41:00] | Dagmar: | ...and I don't have that media/v4l2-common.h header anywhere around myself, so I've *no* idea where it thinks that's supposed to be coming from |
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| [07:41:00] | Netslayer: | heh |
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| [07:42:00] | PaulWay: | #include <std-greeting.h> |
| [07:42:00] | PaulWay: | Has anyone here got SATA drives and BT878 cards and got them working nicely together? |
| [07:43:00] | Dagmar: | Netslayer: and I was checking bth 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernel sources |
| [07:43:00] | Netslayer: | heh |
| [07:43:00] | Netslayer: | i tried on my 2.6.13 and 2.6.11 boxes |
| [07:44:00] | Dagmar: | My *guess* is that that version requires the external devel Video4Linux2 or something |
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| [07:46:00] | PaulWay: | It's quiet in here tonight... |
| [07:46:00] | Netslayer: | is there a scheduled time frame for the next mythtv release yet? |
| [07:47:00] | PaulWay: | I don't know, Netslayer. |
| [07:48:00] | PaulWay: | I'm guessing, based on the mythtv-devel list, that they're trying to integrate the new LiveTV methodology, and that's the trunk of development. It's going slower than expected. |
| [07:49:00] | PaulWay: | I've just screwed up my system by adding a SATA drive, which seems to have IRQ conflicts between the sata_sil driver and the bt878 driver for the DVB cards I have... |
| [07:49:00] | PaulWay: | And now that I've grown my xfs partition, I can't shrink it back to not use that drive... |
| [07:51:00] | PaulWay: | So if anyone has SATA drives and no IRQ errors using BT878 cards then I'd love to know how... :-) |
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| [08:35:00] | PaulWay: | Yep; slooooow night... |
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| [08:41:00] | bobb: | anyone know if there's a good changelog for the upcoming .19 anywhere? |
| [08:42:00] | Dagmar: | Maybe pull a copy from SVN and look at it there |
| [08:42:00] | PaulWay: | There's a bad changelog, does that help? |
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| [08:43:00] | Dagmar: | It's been a naughty, naughty changelog. |
| [08:45:00] | Hoxzer: | could somebody help me to get DVB-C and Analog card work together |
| [08:45:00] | Hoxzer: | DVB-C works fine |
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| [09:00:00] | juski: | so much for getting into work early... |
| [09:01:00] | juski: | morning rsdvd. any joy with lirc yet? |
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| [09:04:00] | juski: | oh nice. svn has compiled cleanly. at least something has gone right today so far :) |
| [09:04:00] | ** juski touches wood ** | |
| [09:06:00] | Hoxzer: | you guys think I should build IR-Receiver on my own? |
| [09:06:00] | Dagmar: | Depends on the availability of your free time and how handy you are with a soldering pencil |
| [09:06:00] | juski: | Hoxzer: ask rsdvd about that ;) |
| [09:07:00] | PaulWay: | Have you done any soldering, Hoxzer? |
| [09:07:00] | Dagmar: | It's not very hard if you're versed in basic electronics |
| [09:07:00] | Hoxzer: | PaulWay: yeah, I have mod XBox |
| [09:07:00] | Hoxzer: | and something when in junior hight |
| [09:07:00] | Hoxzer: | *high |
| [09:07:00] | Dagmar: | ...but you can *buy* them from other geeks for ~$12, so that's kind of the high point on that |
| [09:07:00] | Dagmar: | er high water mark |
| [09:07:00] | juski: | if you've done an xbox mod, a lirc receiver should be quite easy |
| [09:07:00] | Hoxzer: | :D I broke my Xbos |
| [09:08:00] | Hoxzer: | Xbox |
| [09:08:00] | juski: | lol |
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| [09:08:00] | Hoxzer: | shouldn't have tried to empty LPC place |
| [09:08:00] | Hoxzer: | had tin in the holes |
| [09:08:00] | juski: | eesh |
| [09:08:00] | Hoxzer: | I would do it easily without mistakes if I had done it with wires |
| [09:09:00] | juski: | those PTH (plated thru holes) need quite a lot of heat, some of them |
| [09:09:00] | Hoxzer: | but didn't want to waste money |
| [09:09:00] | juski: | there's a knack to cleaning solder from points on power planes |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | Actually there's a few tools for it |
| [09:10:00] | juski: | helps to have a friend on the other side of the PCB with their own soldering iron |
| [09:10:00] | juski: | or use a hotplate |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | A desoldering braid is good, and the little vacuum bulb radio shack sells is another |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | I've used a heat gun for that. Not recommended. |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | wow |
| [09:10:00] | Dagmar: | Might as well pop the thing in the oven |
| [09:10:00] | juski: | Dagmar: even wit braid groundplanes can be pigs |
| [09:10:00] | Krazylegz: | Much more useful when you just want everything off the board. Now. |
| [09:10:00] | PaulWay: | Anyone had any success getting SATA drives and BT878 cards to work together? |
| [09:11:00] | Krazylegz: | PaulWay: I saw that earlier. Is it just an IRQ conflict? |
| [09:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Not sure that I can help, but I'm curious. |
| [09:11:00] | PaulWay: | Yep. |
| [09:11:00] | PaulWay: | Unfortunately. |
| [09:11:00] | juski: | PaulWay: methinks your SATA controller is either a) a crappy chipset or b) hogging all the PCI bus (see answer a) |
| [09:11:00] | Dagmar: | You've tried moving the card to another slow? |
| [09:11:00] | Dagmar: | er slot? |
| [09:12:00] | PaulWay: | I've tried moving the cards to different slots, and it hasn't made it any better. |
| [09:12:00] | Dagmar: | Rather frequently boards have certain IRQs tied to particular slots |
| [09:12:00] | juski: | yeh I've had that – can be a pain to sort out.. then there's the old riddle of which PCI slot is capable of bus mastering |
| [09:12:00] | PaulWay: | I read a post somewhere that said that the BT878 driver has a rather low buffer size. |
| [09:12:00] | PaulWay: | And relating board order to bus order. |
| [09:15:00] | PaulWay: | I also have a theory that the SATA driver (which is either sata_nv or sata_sil) doesn't support ATA passthrough and hasn't enabled DMA on the drive. |
| [09:18:00] | juski: | is there any way to see how much bus bandwidth a device is using? |
| [09:18:00] | PaulWay: | That'd be useful... |
| [09:18:00] | juski: | without a PCI bus analyser I mean |
| [09:21:00] | Dagmar: | You could do like Intel and just speculate about the theoretical limits to the press |
| [09:21:00] | Dagmar: | 8D |
| [09:22:00] | juski: | righty-o... now got SVN mythtv on my ubuntu box. work on Project Grayhem can recommence tonight :) |
| [09:24:00] | juski: | must've just been having a bad day yesterday |
| [09:25:00] | PaulWay: | The worst thing, BTW, is that I've already extended the LVM and grown the FS over the new drive. |
| [09:25:00] | PaulWay: | Fortunately, SWMBO has approved the purchase of a PATA 200GB drive to replace the SATA. |
| [09:29:00] | juski: | ahh the chief purchasing authority ;) |
| [09:31:00] | PaulWay: | True. The one who I'm currently annoyed at, and yet wanting to watch Firefly with. |
| [09:31:00] | PaulWay: | man girlfriend |
| [09:31:00] | PaulWay: | No manual entry for girlfriend |
| [09:32:00] | Krazylegz: | PaulWay: Where are you? |
| [09:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Geographically. |
| [09:33:00] | phoner: | yur backyard |
| [09:33:00] | ** Krazylegz looks out past the deck ** | |
| [09:33:00] | Krazylegz: | I don't see him. |
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| [09:34:00] | PaulWay: | Canberra, .au |
| [09:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Ack. |
| [09:34:00] | PaulWay: | Don't worry, it's not contagious. |
| [09:34:00] | Krazylegz: | I was going to make you an offer on the SATA drive. I need to break down and get one. |
| [09:34:00] | Pio: | mythmusic is sure slow to update a music database of 18,000 songs.. how often is it going to need to perform this update procedure? |
| [09:34:00] | juski: | dammit why can our metalwork company *never* cut prototypes right? every screwhole in this box is like 0.5mm off |
| [09:35:00] | phoner: | I'm using sata now |
| [09:35:00] | juski: | Pio: every time you add or remove music |
| [09:35:00] | PaulWay: | Krazylegz: Where are you, then? |
| [09:35:00] | Pio: | but it will only scan the new tracks right? |
| [09:35:00] | juski: | or rather every time you scan, Pio |
| [09:35:00] | juski: | I think it checks everything is still there |
| [09:35:00] | PaulWay: | juski: that could suck large amounts of alligator droppings. |
| [09:35:00] | Pio: | doh |
| [09:35:00] | Pio: | its been 15 minutes so far and im at 48% heh |
| [09:35:00] | Pio: | well i'll just scan infrequently i suppose |
| [09:36:00] | Krazylegz: | PaulWay: .us |
| [09:37:00] | Pio: | heh imagine how slow this would be if i didnt turn on 'ignore id3' |
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| [09:37:00] | PaulWay: | Feh – your SATA drives are cheaper anyway. |
| [09:38:00] | Krazylegz: | I'll pay you in dingoes. :-) |
| [09:40:00] | PaulWay: | I already have too many of those. |
| [09:40:00] | PaulWay: | I'd give it to you for a brace of dunnarts. |
| [09:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Dunnarts are marsupials. |
| [09:41:00] | PaulWay: | And, apparently, feisty. |
| [09:41:00] | ** Krazylegz checks Froogle for a brace of dunnarts ** | |
| [09:42:00] | ** PaulWay watches Krazylegz' mad shopping skillz. ** | |
| [09:43:00] | Dagmar: | Gimme sugar gliders any day |
| [09:43:00] | Dagmar: | They're cute, and they're pocket-sized. |
| [09:43:00] | PaulWay: | And they glide so neatly! |
| [09:45:00] | Krazylegz: | So sweetly. |
| [09:45:00] | PaulWay: | So utterly completely! |
| [09:45:00] | PaulWay: | I should google for it, but does anyone have any good links to SELinux tutorials? |
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| [09:51:00] | Pio: | wonder how hard it'd be to hack my mythmusic not to scan track lengths |
| [09:53:00] | PaulWay: | What would be better would be to guess, and then to store it for real when you play the track. |
| [09:53:00] | Pio: | yeah, or have it just show file sizes in absence of length |
| [09:53:00] | Pio: | if im not mistaken it actually looks pretty easy to hack out the length checking.. so long as it doesnt flip out when it has a lot of 0:00s |
| [09:54:00] | Pio: | 80%.. heh |
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| [09:57:00] | PaulWay: | Pio, I take it you know vaguely how to write C++? |
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| [09:57:00] | Pio: | yes, exactly.. vaguely :) |
| [09:58:00] | Pio: | enough to hack up other peoples code but not enough to write it so well myself |
| [09:58:00] | PaulWay: | I'm trying to write an IPTV backend driver for Myth, but, though I know C, I know about as much of C++ as I do of eating live octopii. |
| [09:59:00] | simon_c: | Hi All. I've a problem transcoding stuff from mpeg2 to mpeg4. |
| [09:59:00] | simon_c: | THe bottom 10 or so lines of the picture is garbled for some reason. |
| [09:59:00] | juski: | PaulWay: did you look at the dbox recorder stuff? that might help |
| [09:59:00] | Krazylegz: | I need to do more C. I need to learn that fun stuff like jump tables. |
| [09:59:00] | PaulWay: | 'jump tables' = |
| [09:59:00] | simon_c: | it looks fine in the native mpeg2 stream. The card is a Hauppage nova-t DVB card |
| [09:59:00] | simon_c: | anyone any ideas what could be the problem ? |
| [10:00:00] | PaulWay: | "jump tables" != "fun stuff" |
| [10:00:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha. |
| [10:00:00] | Krazylegz: | I think it's neat. |
| [10:00:00] | PaulWay: | I use them when I have to, not because I can... |
| [10:01:00] | ** simon_c checks to see if he stumbled into #mythtv not #mythtv-users ** | |
| [10:01:00] | simon_c: | ;-) |
| [10:01:00] | PaulWay: | Duff's Device is a classic example of how C can be bizarre and yet very very useful. |
| [10:01:00] | PaulWay: | And have a read of Simon Tatham's observation about coroutines in Putty. |
| [10:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Good reads? |
| [10:03:00] | PaulWay: | Excellent coding ideas, but stuff that will bend any debugger's brain. |
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| [10:04:00] | PaulWay: | Or, on the other hand, http://mindprod.com/jgloss/unmain.html |
| [10:04:00] | phoner: | who came up with mythcommflag? |
| [10:04:00] | phoner: | that thing is pretty smart |
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| [10:05:00] | PaulWay: | It doesn't do so well in Australia, from my experience... |
| [10:05:00] | simon_c: | Can you change your mythcommflag settings for different channels ? |
| [10:05:00] | phoner: | I'd like a setting that turnes them on/off for specific programs |
| [10:06:00] | phoner: | even transcodes on only specific programs |
| [10:06:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, you can do that in your recording settings, by show. |
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| [10:14:00] | PaulWay: | simon_c: what's the problem with the mpeg4? |
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| [10:15:00] | jono_: | juski, ping |
| [10:15:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: THe bottom 10 lines or so are blocky on playback. They seem to eventually line up with the main image, if it stays on the same sceen. If it jumps to a new sceen, then they are all blocky again. |
| [10:16:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: The blocks seem to be the default mpeg "block size" whatever that is. It's the same size block you see when you start playing back an mpeg file from somewhere other than a key frame. |
| [10:16:00] | PaulWay: | That's pretty bizarre. Does anything else that is in a similar format (e.g. a transcoded DVD or downloaded file) have the same problem? |
| [10:16:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: So it seems to be about one block high. |
| [10:16:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: No. I've got another TV card in the box (v4l based card) and that can encode in mpeg4 file. |
| [10:17:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: And the origanal recording is fine. I'm testing on other recordings from the same card at the moment. |
| [10:17:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: So right now, I can only say if effects one show, but I suspect it will be all shows recorded on that card. |
| [10:18:00] | PaulWay: | That's pretty bizarre. I have no idea. |
| [10:18:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: I think the DVD rip was fine too, but I'll check that again |
| [10:18:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: Ahh well. |
| [10:18:00] | PaulWay: | This is using Myth's internal transcoding? |
| [10:18:00] | simon_c: | Yes |
| [10:18:00] | PaulWay: | I'm just wondering how to isolate it. |
| [10:18:00] | PaulWay: | Anything in the backend logs? |
| [10:18:00] | ** simon_c saves the conversation to ask again later. ;-) ** | |
| [10:19:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: Not that I've noticed, but I'll check again. |
| [10:19:00] | simon_c: | It doesn't seem to make a difference if I use the default resolution, for the transcoder, or change it to DVD resolution. |
| [10:20:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: I'm wondering if it may be some missmatch between the resolution on the default mpeg2 stream, and what I'm trying to transcode it into. But I dont' know enough to figure that out. |
| [10:21:00] | PaulWay: | I don't suppose you have nuvexport installed? |
| [10:21:00] | simon_c: | I do, yes. |
| [10:22:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: Are you sugesting exporting it with nuvexport, and see if it has the same artifacts ? |
| [10:22:00] | PaulWay: | Basically. |
| [10:22:00] | simon_c: | PaulWay: Good idea. Thanks. |
| [10:22:00] | PaulWay: | It'll use mythtranscode to convert out to the raw YUV, and then ffmpeg or whatever to convert back. |
| [10:23:00] | PaulWay: | Just trying to find other ways of doing the same thing to isolate what's causing the problem. |
| [10:23:00] | simon_c: | I'll try that, thanks. |
| [10:24:00] | PaulWay: | I should print this out and look at it every time I put off coding: http://mindprod.com/jgloss/tharn.html |
| [10:28:00] | simon_c: | Just read that coroutines doc. Scairy stuff !! I know just enough C to follow it (no where near enough to make use of it) |
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| [10:34:00] | psofa: | when's a new versopm expected? |
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| [10:34:00] | psofa: | *version |
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| [10:35:00] | PaulWay: | I don't think there's a date set. |
| [10:35:00] | PaulWay: | They're working on integrating the Live TV rework into the main system. |
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| [10:41:00] | juski: | simon_c: just read your comment about resolution of the stream.. DVB MPEG2 is 720x576 in Europe |
| [10:42:00] | simon_c: | juski: Yes, just found that out from nuvexport. |
| [10:42:00] | simon_c: | juski: So that is the same as the resolution I've set for the transcoder profile. |
| [10:42:00] | simon_c: | juski: I'm trying to get nuvexport working on this box (it's always a bit flakey for me for some reason) |
| [10:43:00] | juski: | one more thing ruled out then |
| [10:43:00] | simon_c: | juski: :-) |
| [10:43:00] | simon_c: | juski: Thanks anyway. |
| [10:43:00] | juski: | I've never had occasion to use nuvexport. only discs I've burnt since last year have been distro images |
| [10:44:00] | simon_c: | something screwy between the options nuvexport is giving to ffmpeg and the options ffmpeg is expecting. I've never had time to get to the bottom of it. |
| [10:44:00] | juski: | oh – and that inlaws' nightmware holiday video |
| [10:49:00] | simon_c: | ;-) |
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| [11:56:00] | juski: | is this for real? someone at Hauppauge is working on linux support for the HVR1100 card... http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=31852 |
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| [11:59:00] | juski: | and: http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=31852&n bsp;– looks like it _is_ for real. good on ya, Hauppauge |
| [12:00:00] | simon_c: | I knew there was a reason the nova-t was reduced. There's the new combined analogue/dvb card out now. |
| [12:00:00] | simon_c: | Ahh well. |
| [12:08:00] | t00m: | hey guys, where are the aussies? |
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| [12:12:00] | Ethics: | anyone know what it means when you built kernel modules and the depmod -a says that all your new kernel modules are not "elf" files....is it gcc version issues? |
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| [12:17:00] | juski: | simon_c: one snag with the HVR1100 is that it doesn't have a hardware encoder, but the HVR1300 does, and they're apparently working on that too |
| [12:18:00] | simon_c: | Ahhh. But if DVB is your main source of TV, then no hardware encoder isn't a problem is it. |
| [12:19:00] | Ethics: | anyone know what it means when you built kernel modules and the depmod -a says that all your new kernel modules are not "elf" files....is it gcc version issues? |
| [12:26:00] | simon_c: | Ethics: I suspect it means what it sais. |
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| [12:31:00] | psofa: | anyone willing to check if athens,greece is ok in mythweather? |
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| [12:33:00] | juski: | psofa: I'd book a flight & go check it out myself if I had time |
| [12:33:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [12:35:00] | Ethics: | simon_c, what exactly does it mean tho...gcc built it wrong or something else is missing? |
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| [12:40:00] | juski: | off-hand, does anyone know the name of the package I need for ubuntu so I can get all the dependencies for compiling mythplugins, in one go? |
| [12:41:00] | laga: | juski: apt-get build-dep mythplugins would be the command, but apt needs to know this package. i can give you the names of all packages you'll need, ok? |
| [12:41:00] | juski: | okee laga.. that'd be good also :) |
| [12:42:00] | laga: | give me a second, gotta finish my "double cheeseburger" first ;) |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | actually.. I just did an apt-cache search & it knows mythplugins |
| [12:42:00] | laga: | juski: try apt-get build-dep then |
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| [12:43:00] | juski: | duh.. unable to find a source package for mythplugins it says |
| [12:43:00] | laga: | :) |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | nope.. it's saying there's no source package for mythplugins. |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | s'ok |
| [12:44:00] | laga: | do you want the list? |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | please :).. I'll give you 5 |
| [12:46:00] | laga: | juski: BTW, are you building SVN? |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | built svn mythtv.. just doing the plugins |
| [12:47:00] | laga: | k |
| [12:47:00] | laga: | i'm usually rolling my own debian packages from SVN |
| [12:48:00] | laga: | http://pastebin.ca/32097 <- that should be a very complete list. |
| [12:48:00] | juski: | you mean I coulda just used.. lol |
| [12:48:00] | laga: | hehe. no, sorry, no packages for ubuntu yet. i build for debian sarge ;) |
| [12:49:00] | juski: | laga: thanksly very muchly :) |
| [12:50:00] | juski: | the experience is doing me some good anyway |
| [12:50:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [12:50:00] | juski: | got over my sulk last night quite quickly. from flat HDD to working mythtv 0.18 in less than 2 hours |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | wow, that's nice! it usually takes me a day or so for a complete setup |
| [12:51:00] | juski: | try doing that with nottmyth ;) |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | hehe ;) |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | knoppmyth is a bitch ;) |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | install ubuntu... erm... set up mysql right.. mangle the package manager to look in the right place and wahey |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | nice |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | there's a howto & it's like one page |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | maybe i should try ubuntu on my mythtv boxen, but it's running so great with debian sarge. |
| [12:53:00] | juski: | I _knew_ it'd be quicker than trying to sort out my borked kernel |
| [12:53:00] | laga: | hehe :) |
| [12:53:00] | juski: | yeh laga: age old adage.. if it aint broke |
| [12:53:00] | laga: | i'm not going to build my own kernels anymore. it's nothing but a call for trouble ;) |
| [12:53:00] | Ethics: | laga theres a nasty way to crossgrade as ubuntu is way infront of sarge versioning wise ion most things |
| [12:54:00] | Ethics: | laga etch to ubuntu is messy |
| [12:54:00] | laga: | juski: righto. but i'm going to have to do something to my frontend box here. diskless is the way to go :) |
| [12:54:00] | laga: | Ethics: that sounds like it tends to break things :) |
| [12:55:00] | Ethics: | laga, start withthe configs from in your boot folder...it ticks all the boxes...just andd new things or build them in dont take stuff out 8) |
| [12:55:00] | t00m: | who's from australia? can't find au-Perth with access31 frequency in it |
| [12:55:00] | laga: | Ethics: i know how iu can build a kernel, but thank you :) |
| [12:55:00] | laga: | s/iu/i/ |
| [12:56:00] | Ethics: | laga, ahh cool...8) some people never know about config in there 8) |
| [12:57:00] | laga: | Ethics: hehe. i've been using gentoo for two years, so i have some experience with unnecessary fiddling ;) |
| [12:57:00] | Ethics: | t00m, im melb,agrajag is sydney not sure of perthies.. |
| [12:57:00] | Ethics: | laga hehe gentoo scared me...i didnt like seeing all the compile spam heheh.... |
| [12:58:00] | t00m: | hmh |
| [12:58:00] | t00m: | Ethics: do you have access31 in your file? |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | okee that's dem plugins compilering |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | I owe you another beer laga :) |
| [13:00:00] | psofa: | the damn mythweather image keeps tmiing out |
| [13:00:00] | psofa: | although the link works on firefox |
| [13:00:00] | juski: | psofa: is it the last frame of the satellite image? |
| [13:01:00] | psofa: | its the sat image yes |
| [13:01:00] | juski: | I was getting that earlier in the week. dunno what it's like now |
| [13:01:00] | Ethics: | t00m not that ive ever seen...i remember it on one of the pay for guides tho... |
| [13:01:00] | psofa: | im still getting it |
| [13:01:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [13:02:00] | juski: | I might get it tonight if I can drag myself away from theming for 10 minutes |
| [13:02:00] | t00m: | hm, seems to be free here, cause i can tune it with the analog tv |
| [13:02:00] | t00m: | maybe they don't transmit digitally |
| [13:03:00] | t00m: | i was trying to find anything on their website but it's just crap :) |
| [13:03:00] | Ethics: | t00m, possibly...my reception is pretty average on analog so i dont try anymore heheh...flats suck like that\ |
| [13:04:00] | t00m: | hmm |
| [13:04:00] | t00m: | juski: still doing themes? |
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| [13:15:00] | t00m: | when the channel editor asks for an xmltv id, is that the one out of the tv_grab.conf? |
| [13:15:00] | t00m: | $channels = { |
| [13:15:00] | t00m: | 'ABC WA' => 'abcwa.free.au', |
| [13:15:00] | t00m: | 'ABC WA' in that case? |
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| [13:20:00] | jono: | juski, what is your name? are you working on project grayhem? |
| [13:20:00] | juski: | toom: not 'still doing'... but I'm gonna be getting Project Grayhem up to speed with SVN and then cracking on with the widescreen version |
| [13:20:00] | juski: | jono: www.juski.co.uk |
| [13:20:00] | t00m: | hm, might be the secound string, cause guide.xml sais: <channel id="abcwa.free.au"> |
| [13:21:00] | juski: | obviously not my given name lol |
| [13:21:00] | juski: | ..which is justin btw |
| [13:21:00] | t00m: | widescreen.. |
| [13:21:00] | jono: | ahh! |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | oh forks... mythmusic compile has failed. how do I find out which gcc I've got? |
| [13:22:00] | t00m: | juski: do you also pick the colors for mythvideo? if i try to select a movie i can't read the text of the highlitet one. bit unfortunate |
| [13:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: gcc -v |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | yes t00m I know about that one |
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| [13:22:00] | t00m: | good :) |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | hmm 4.0.2 |
| [13:22:00] | jono: | juski, it looks awesome pal :) |
| [13:23:00] | juski: | this calls for a pastebin methinks |
| [13:24:00] | juski: | http://pastebin.com/446061 |
| [13:24:00] | juski: | cheers jono |
| [13:26:00] | juski: | any ideas on that? I remember having a similar problem trying to compile mythmusic when I was on Gentoo |
| [13:26:00] | juski: | would I be better downgrading gcc to gcc-3.4 ? |
| [13:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've not had that same problem, but then I don't run GCC 4.x |
| [13:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | so I can't say offhand if it's compiler or just a bug |
| [13:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | what svn revision # ? |
| [13:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll make sure I have the same |
| [13:28:00] | juski: | ermmm I just checked it out last night |
| [13:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [13:28:00] | Ethics: | juski, depending on how yours is setup jou may be able to point the gcc symlink at olde version binary...see /bein/gcc is a link or file... |
| [13:29:00] | juski: | 0.19.20051128–1 is the version I think |
| [13:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: go into the source and type "svn info" to get the revision number |
| [13:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I don't need it |
| [13:30:00] | juski: | 8093 |
| [13:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | nothing has changed in mythmusic since my last update |
| [13:31:00] | juski: | last changed author: ijr |
| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | All I can say at the moment is "it works for me" :) |
| [13:31:00] | juski: | heheh |
| [13:31:00] | juski: | so.. if I was to downgrade gcc, could I expect any hiccups doing that? |
| [13:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never had to go to an earlier GCC Revision, |
| [13:33:00] | juski: | I'll leave it for now then |
| [13:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | 99% of the time what Slackware provides does the trick, or on a couple rare occasions I had to upgrade. Never gone the other way |
| [13:34:00] | juski: | I wouldn't care – I don't even want mp4 support |
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| [13:36:00] | juski: | aha.. maybe disabling aac support will get it to compile |
| [13:36:00] | juski: | it'd be enough for me if that'll work |
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| [13:37:00] | Hoxzer`: | somebody can help me with knoppmyth |
| [13:41:00] | laga: | Hoxzer`: why don't you ask a real question? |
| [13:43:00] | Hoxzer`: | laga: I need to enable SSH connection |
| [13:44:00] | Hoxzer`: | but I can't find /home/niko/.ssh/ |
| [13:44:00] | Hoxzer`: | or there isn't it |
| [13:44:00] | laga: | you want to connect to your knoppmyth machine over ssh? |
| [13:44:00] | Hoxzer`: | yeah |
| [13:45:00] | Hoxzer`: | before we got this work VNC connection would also be cool |
| [13:45:00] | Hoxzer`: | *after |
| [13:46:00] | laga: | Hoxzer`: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| [13:46:00] | Hoxzer`: | thx |
| [13:46:00] | Hoxzer`: | is that command? |
| [13:47:00] | laga: | yep. |
| [13:47:00] | Hoxzer`: | ok, but I need to be able to use SSH connection after boot |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | Hoxzer`: rc-update.d then |
| [13:48:00] | Hoxzer`: | so I write rc-update.d? |
| [13:48:00] | Hoxzer`: | only |
| [13:49:00] | laga: | so you learn to use debian or knoppmyth or whatever your favourite distro is. and you also learn to ask questions in the right channel. |
| [13:49:00] | laga: | dammit. |
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| [13:50:00] | juski: | I think I know what it is |
| [13:51:00] | laga: | dumbness? |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | no.. what the compile problem I had is |
| [13:53:00] | laga: | ok. |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | ;) |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | well – disabling aac seems to have done the job |
| [13:55:00] | Hoxzer`: | what do I do? |
| [13:55:00] | laga: | Hoxzer`: you write "man man" and hit enter. and read. (in your terminal) |
| [13:56:00] | Hoxzer`: | ... |
| [13:56:00] | Ethics: | rcconrf maybee hoxzer |
| [13:57:00] | Ethics: | rcconf may be in your system..its like tick to run on boot thingy |
| [14:01:00] | quacker: | Heh, who wants to help me install and conf video capture for an original Radeon All-In-Wonder tuner card? |
| [14:01:00] | quacker: | =oD |
| [14:03:00] | laga: | quacker: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo <- read there. |
| [14:03:00] | Ethics: | what can i use to pipe video0 to screen other than mplayer...testing new card setup..i can tune already but want realtime via xine or something.. |
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| [14:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | quacker: I don't think that will work |
| [14:04:00] | Ethics: | quacker, setp one install crap windows OS |
| [14:05:00] | t00m: | whats wrong with mplayer? |
| [14:05:00] | Ethics: | quacker, step two install closed souce tricky quirky video card and capture drivers.. |
| [14:05:00] | quacker: | Ethics, that's not very ethical! |
| [14:05:00] | quacker: | ;-) |
| [14:05:00] | Ethics: | nothing but the packages for etch are broken atm...cant install it i normally use xine etc... |
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| [14:06:00] | t00m: | you're not supposed to use packages |
| [14:06:00] | t00m: | packages suck |
| [14:06:00] | Ethics: | quacker, ati dont really like writing things for linux and they cant open source their code for licensing reasons to glint and diamond.... |
| [14:06:00] | t00m: | they do realtime cpu detection and leave away features |
| [14:06:00] | poop_: | rebuilding packages isn't so bad |
| [14:07:00] | t00m: | and they're i386 compatible |
| [14:07:00] | Ethics: | shrug...cpu to burn i dont care heheh...its not like im squeezing my cpu...quad xeon with 4 gb ram.. |
| [14:07:00] | laga: | rebuilding mplayer sucks, i can't wrap my head around the debian/rules |
| [14:08:00] | t00m: | *slap* |
| [14:08:00] | Ethics: | laga i just figured there would be an alternative hehe |
| [14:08:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [14:08:00] | t00m: | Ethics: in that case it's even worse, cause they don't come with mutlicpu support |
| [14:09:00] | laga: | does mplayer or xine have smp support? |
| [14:09:00] | quacker: | Ethics, I found a howto by someone with my card who says he did it... =P |
| [14:09:00] | quacker: | (it's jsut a little 'obtuse' is all — heh) |
| [14:09:00] | laga: | quacker: good luck with it :) |
| [14:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | quacker: Used an All-In-Wonder with Myth? Not if he used the GATOS drivers |
| [14:09:00] | quacker: | He used DRI Project drivers |
| [14:10:00] | laga: | DRI is only for the vga part |
| [14:10:00] | laga: | i believe. "direct rendering interface" or something like that. |
| [14:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | *nod* |
| [14:10:00] | quacker: | I've the used GATOS driver for just plain video under XFree86, and the FireGL driver under Xorg |
| [14:11:00] | quacker: | But I've never used the DRI Project drivers at all. |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | The GATOS drivers is what the All-In-Wonder use for accessing the tuner |
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| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | or I should say, what users use to access those functions of the AiW |
| [14:12:00] | quacker: | (I tried to compile their replacement kernel module for the DRM but it didn't insmod for me since it was ~.so mod files for 2.4.x kernels and I needed ~.ko mods for 2.6.x (I had just wiped my 2.4.23 kernel image too!)) |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | woohoo.. that's everything from svn compiled. might have to report that ickle problem with faacDecInit2 though |
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| [14:19:00] | juski: | it's been nice today. thanks for your help everyone, especially you laga :) |
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| [14:25:00] | quacker: | GreyFoxx, and what do you mean '...not if he used GATOS drivers', then. Is there another NTSC stream capture application that works with GATOS tuner drivers? |
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| [14:26:00] | poop_: | GATOS drivers aren't v4l? |
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| [14:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | poop_: Not fully V4l no |
| [14:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | quacker: Well, there is a TV viewing app that comes with GATOS, no idea if it captures as well |
| [14:32:00] | quacker: | Even viewing would be nice sicne there is a dirty way to catpture ANY data being sent to an x-window — muahahaaa... |
| [14:32:00] | quacker: | cpio |
| [14:32:00] | quacker: | ;-D |
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| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | well, video playback(usin g XV for instance) doesn't get sent to the X Window |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | it's overlayed, but the data is set to the card, not as X11 events |
| [14:33:00] | quacker: | oh well |
| [14:33:00] | quacker: | so what about getting the card even set up correctly in the first place |
| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | but you would have to look at the app, I have no idea if it has any capture abilities, but last time I used it the player worked well enough |
| [14:34:00] | Dagmar: | Quacker it works well if you are fond of the color blue |
| [14:34:00] | quacker: | I'm using Xorg X11 now, not the XFree86 and kernel 2.6.12, not 2.4.x crap the howtos were written for |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | Dagmar, what do you mean? |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | 'Blue Screen of Death'? |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | pR0n? |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | Depression? |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | err... tinting? |
| [14:35:00] | Dagmar: | I mean I think it uses that wack make a window into video memory and transfer right into it technique |
| [14:35:00] | laga: | hmm, pron. |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | the XV video windows are generally just a blank blue window and the video is overlayed on top |
| [14:35:00] | Dagmar: | So X basically just has it kind of mentally filled in like a demented chromakey |
| [14:35:00] | quacker: | kewl! |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | kinda of like how chromavideo works when you watch a weather person on tv :) |
| [14:36:00] | quacker: | tHAT'S REALLy h4ck7 |
| [14:36:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but without the hellishly expensive lamp |
| [14:36:00] | Dagmar: | That's how they get rid of the funny edges on that |
| [14:36:00] | quacker: | So what's my first step? |
| [14:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Google ? |
| [14:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | or http://gatos.sourceforge.net |
| [14:36:00] | ** quacker cringes at the thought of being told to get CVS from some rickety p-server... ** | |
| [14:37:00] | quacker: | LOL |
| [14:37:00] | Dagmar: | I think maybe that applies doubly to sourceforge |
| [14:37:00] | Dagmar: | ...although they've gotten better |
| [14:37:00] | quacker: | GreyFoxx, can I send you my xdpyinfo output? |
| [14:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Why ? |
| [14:38:00] | quacker: | for $#17z & 6166L3z? |
| [14:38:00] | Dagmar: | I started to put hooks in the DLG build engine for automatic CVS updating, but every damn time I tried to start testing on it, their CVS server had fallen over |
| [14:38:00] | Dagmar: | Very bad luck |
| [14:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Quak: No thanks |
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| [14:44:00] | sphing: | quacker: wtf is that |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | shits and giggles |
| [14:45:00] | sphing: | shitz and giiggl |
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| [15:05:00] | t00m: | what's that streaming thing url again? |
| [15:05:00] | t00m: | something with v |
| [15:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythstreamtv? vlc ? |
| [15:06:00] | t00m: | vlc |
| [15:06:00] | t00m: | how is mythstreamtv working? |
| [15:06:00] | t00m: | ok? |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Wouldn't know |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I used it for a week or 2 and it was "ok" |
| [15:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | now I just do it via some commandline scripts |
| [15:06:00] | t00m: | don't you have to stop the backend everytime? |
| [15:07:00] | t00m: | to get access to the device |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | the backend only opens the device when it needs it |
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| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I use it primarily for streaming recorded or downloaded material |
| [15:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | but sometimes for livetv as well |
| [15:07:00] | t00m: | well, i can watch recorded stuff or downloaded stuff via samba |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I only stream acrross the net to my office, not around my local lan |
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| [15:08:00] | t00m: | yeah, i'll use it just for local lan |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | err I should say my local home lan |
| [15:10:00] | t00m: | hm, there isn't even an ebuild for mythstreamtv |
| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't know :) |
| [15:13:00] | poop_: | I don't know if I should be hiring contractors via craigslist. |
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| [15:21:00] | t00m: | wtf, what does vlc need ghostscript for? |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Dunno, does it have some printing option? I don't remember requiring it, but then I wouldn't have compiled in any printing related options |
| [15:23:00] | t00m: | gentoo wants to install it and i can't get rid of it |
| [15:23:00] | t00m: | maybe because i haven't completely understood emerge yet |
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| [15:23:00] | t00m: | but is sais: [ebuild N ] app-text/ghostscript-7.07.1-r8 -X -cjk -cups -emacs -gtk 5,273 kB |
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| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can only guess at looking at the ebuild script and alter your USE as needed. |
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| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | You know, for all of the supposed benefits of prebuilt packages, dependancies and build scripts people seem to spend a hell of a lot of time and frustration trying to get around the dependancies or build options just to avoid compiling or making their own packages as needed :) |
| [15:29:00] | t00m: | i can't find ghostscript in the ebuild |
| [15:29:00] | t00m: | but that's annoying, i agree |
| [15:29:00] | t00m: | it's just installing too much by itself |
| [15:29:00] | t00m: | i should just set USE="-all" :) |
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| [15:45:00] | poop: | entertainment infastructure growing too complex |
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| [16:25:00] | t00m: | GreyFoxx: i can't figure it out, i've been running emerge with use=-all and it still depends on ghostscript and graphviz |
| [16:27:00] | sphing: | t00m: http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/use-index.xml |
| [16:27:00] | sphing: | i dont see all there... is that a valid flag? |
| [16:27:00] | t00m: | well |
| [16:27:00] | t00m: | i did: USE="x86 -3dnow -3dnowext -X -alsa -apache2 -apm -arts -audiofile -avi -berkdb -bitmap-fonts -bzip2 -crypt -curl -dvb -eds -emboss -encode -expat -ffmpeg -flac -foomaticdb -fortran -gd -gdbm -gif -gpm -gstreamer -imlib -ipv6 -jpeg -lcms -libg++ -libwww -lirc -mad -mhash -mikmod -mmx -mmxext -mng -motif -mp3 -mpeg -mysql -mythtv -ncurses -nls -nvidia -ogg -oggvorbis -opengl -oss -pam -pdflib -perl -php -png -python -readline -ruby -sam |
| [16:28:00] | sphing: | USE="-ghostscript" emerge vlc |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | try that |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | USE="-ghostscript" emerge -p vlc |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | rather |
| [16:29:00] | t00m: | i think, that was my 1st try, but i'll do it |
| [16:29:00] | t00m: | jep, still in |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | then its required for the vlc package |
| [16:30:00] | t00m: | but it's not in the ebuild dep list |
| [16:30:00] | sphing: | hit up #gentoo |
| [16:30:00] | t00m: | they don't answer |
| [16:30:00] | t00m: | i've been asking 3 times now |
| [16:30:00] | sphing: | thats the shittest chan ever |
| [16:31:00] | sphing: | but i gotta run so I cant help |
| [16:31:00] | t00m: | i'll give the .de one a try |
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| [16:41:00] | oblib: | just tried installing myth, and when I run mythfrontend, my X displays a pretty background, but no menu or buttons to choose from. Is this a common problem, did I miss something? |
| [16:42:00] | poop: | Sounds like your theme is hosed. |
| [16:43:00] | poop: | Maybe you could change it somewhere other than the gui. |
| [16:43:00] | oblib: | that's kind of what I thought too. |
| [16:43:00] | oblib: | I take it that it is usually set up in the GUI? |
| [16:43:00] | oblib: | Do you know how to set it up from command prompt? |
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| [16:44:00] | poop: | The "maybe" has certain implications (wrt me anyway) :) |
| [16:44:00] | Tristam: | Blarg...damned mythtv-setup is not working. :P |
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| [16:46:00] | poop: | oblib: I wonder what would happen if you nulled the theme in the db. |
| [16:46:00] | poop: | mysql> select * from settings where value='Theme'; |
| [16:47:00] | oblib: | Would that delete the theme values, or show them (I don't know sql) |
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| [16:48:00] | poop: | oblib: show them |
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| [16:49:00] | poop: | | Theme | Titivillus | mivo | |
| [16:50:00] | oblib: | that's weird, now mythtv-setup doesn't work either. |
| [16:50:00] | oblib: | I'm trying the sql now |
| [16:50:00] | poop: | Maybe Qt is hosed |
| [16:51:00] | oblib: | It used to give errors trying to create .qt/ so I made the directory. |
| [16:51:00] | oblib: | Was that wrong? |
| [16:51:00] | poop: | I think those .qt errors are harmless, always ignored them |
| [16:52:00] | poop: | What is mythtv-setup doing? |
| [16:53:00] | oblib: | har har har. Left the '-' out of it (mythtvsetup) |
| [16:55:00] | oblib: | hmm. setup is hosed too. It gives me two questions (about preserving settings) and then goes to a blank screen. |
| [16:55:00] | oblib: | how do I get into mysql? |
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| [16:57:00] | poop: | mysql -u root mythconverg |
| [16:57:00] | poop: | -p if you have a password :) |
| [16:57:00] | oblib: | yeah, just got it |
| [16:57:00] | t00m: | (which you should) |
| [16:57:00] | poop: | indeed |
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| [16:58:00] | oblib: | unknown database mythconverge |
| [16:58:00] | oblib: | sorry I gotta type more accuratelyu |
| [16:59:00] | poop: | cut-n-paste if you're visually impaired ;) |
| [16:59:00] | oblib: | Theme | G.A.N.T. | media |
| [17:00:00] | oblib: | so that means it's using the GANT theme? |
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| [17:00:00] | poop: | Does anything actually complain about themes if you start it from a terminal? |
| [17:01:00] | oblib: | where would I see any complaints? |
| [17:02:00] | poop: | In the terminal |
| [17:02:00] | poop: | among the normal spew |
| [17:02:00] | oblib: | .xsession-errors has this:2005-12–02 10:01:49.748 Switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.) |
| [17:02:00] | oblib: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [17:02:00] | oblib: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [17:03:00] | oblib: | lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages |
| [17:03:00] | poop: | enough, enough |
| [17:03:00] | poop: | Just look for themes |
| [17:03:00] | oblib: | The lack of socket is for lirc right? |
| [17:03:00] | arnducky: | If it's not out of line to mention: <http://www.aver.com/2005home/product/tvtuner/tvtuner.shtml> TV Tuners (I can sell these tuners) |
| [17:03:00] | poop: | yeah |
| [17:03:00] | arnducky: | I'd be interested to n=know which if any have been used successfully with mythtv |
| [17:04:00] | poop: | irc isn't the best for gathering such data |
| [17:04:00] | oblib: | poop, I don't see anything for or against themes working |
| [17:05:00] | oblib: | arnducky, so you will give us tuners to test with MythTV? |
| [17:05:00] | poop: | oblib: Do you have a themes package installed? |
| [17:06:00] | oblib: | poop, not explicitly. There is a GANT directory in /.mythtv/themecache but it's empty. |
| [17:06:00] | oblib: | I'm using Ubuntu, and just did apt-get install mythtv |
| [17:06:00] | poop: | oblib: It'd be installed system-wide |
| [17:06:00] | arnducky: | Uhhh... did I mention that my business is just getting restarted and that I'm too broke to donate $100s in new hardware these days? |
| [17:06:00] | poop: | $ dpkg -l mythtv-themes |
| [17:06:00] | poop: | ii mythtv-themes 0.18–1 Additional themes for MythTV |
| [17:07:00] | oblib: | there is GANT in /usr/share/mythtv/themes as well. It has .png files |
| [17:08:00] | oblib: | doesn't show up in my repository |
| [17:08:00] | poop: | Try this: |
| [17:09:00] | poop: | mysql> update settings set data='default' where value='Theme'; |
| [17:09:00] | poop: | And, if that doesn't work, mysql> update settings set value='' where value='Theme'; |
| [17:09:00] | poop: | errm |
| [17:09:00] | poop: | And, if that doesn't work, mysql> update settings set data='' where value='Theme'; |
| [17:09:00] | oblib: | it changed the Theme to default |
| [17:09:00] | oblib: | the first one worked |
| [17:09:00] | poop: | It's visible though? |
| [17:09:00] | oblib: | apparently anyway |
| [17:10:00] | oblib: | haven't tried yet |
| [17:10:00] | oblib: | just looked at mysql Theme |
| [17:10:00] | poop: | Well, try it ;) |
| [17:10:00] | oblib: | is there any easier way to kill startx than manually killing each process? |
| [17:11:00] | poop: | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| [17:11:00] | oblib: | from ssh? |
| [17:11:00] | poop: | heh, no |
| [17:11:00] | oblib: | it died |
| [17:11:00] | poop: | startx is so 90s :) |
| [17:12:00] | oblib: | Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default |
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| [17:12:00] | poop: | A login manager makes things a bit simpler. |
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| [17:12:00] | oblib: | yeah |
| [17:13:00] | oblib: | there is /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default though. Weird |
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| [17:13:00] | poop: | $ dpkg -S /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default |
| [17:13:00] | poop: | mythvideo, mythbrowser, mythgallery, mythweather, mythdvd, mythtv-common, mythmusic, mythnews: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default |
| [17:14:00] | poop: | Make sure you hae mythtv-common installed |
| [17:15:00] | oblib: | yeah it's there |
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| [17:16:00] | oblib: | I did dpkg -S /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default |
| [17:16:00] | oblib: | and got: mythtv-common: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default |
| [17:16:00] | oblib: | tried again and it still claims not to see the theme |
| [17:17:00] | poop: | try nulling the theme |
| [17:18:00] | oblib: | with just '' for the value? |
| [17:18:00] | poop: | yeah |
| [17:18:00] | oblib: | still failed. |
| [17:19:00] | oblib: | Couldn't find usr/.../themes/ |
| [17:19:00] | oblib: | still null in mysql |
| [17:19:00] | Chutt: | why do people reopen tickets? |
| [17:19:00] | poop: | When that fails, install mythtv-themes and try 'Titivillus' |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: Because how dare someone close a ticket before they said so! |
| [17:19:00] | poop: | Chutt: It's easier than typing I guess |
| [17:20:00] | oblib: | mythtv-themes doesn't show up in my repository |
| [17:20:00] | Tristam: | I'm getting the following error when I run mythtv-setup: |
| [17:20:00] | poop: | oblib: Where are you getting mythtv? |
| [17:20:00] | Tristam: | Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes |
| [17:20:00] | Tristam: | Anybody with ideas? |
| [17:20:00] | Chutt: | dibblah, why did you reopen #740? |
| [17:20:00] | oblib: | Ubuntu multiverse |
| [17:20:00] | Chutt: | tristam, mysql with utf8 turned on is broken. |
| [17:20:00] | poop: | oblib: ahh, try apt-cache search mythtv |
| [17:21:00] | Tristam: | Ah, I guess I better figure out how to turn off utf8 then...heh |
| [17:21:00] | oblib: | poop, just has all the add-on modules, no themes |
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| [17:22:00] | poop: | oblib: Do you have any other themes you can try in /usr/share/mythtv/themes? |
| [17:22:00] | oblib: | http://pastebin.ca/32119 if you want to see them |
| [17:23:00] | oblib: | yeah, I tried classic as well, same result |
| [17:23:00] | Chutt: | if a backtrace in one ticket is absolutely identical to a backtrace in another ticket, wouldn't that _tend_ to mean that the one ticket is a duplicate of the other? |
| [17:23:00] | poop: | oblib: Time to file an ubuntu bug report :) |
| [17:23:00] | oblib: | bah, humbug |
| [17:23:00] | oblib: | :) |
| [17:24:00] | poop: | I built my debs from the usual (defunct) debian archive. |
| [17:24:00] | poop: | deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.old |
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| [17:26:00] | oblib: | that's what one walk-through gave as the source, but he hasn't updated to the latest Ubuntu release |
| [17:26:00] | oblib: | why mythtv.old? |
| [17:27:00] | poop: | I guess he's not maintaining it anymore. |
| [17:27:00] | poop: | I rebuilt the packages myself anyway, since I need more stuff turned on. |
| [17:27:00] | Tristam: | What charset should I use? |
| [17:28:00] | poop: | ooh, I have delicious hummus with olive oil! |
| [17:28:00] | ** poop runs away ** | |
| [17:29:00] | oblib: | poop what distro? |
| [17:29:00] | ** oblib catches poop and brings him back ** | |
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| [17:31:00] | poop: | debian |
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| [17:39:00] | Tristam: | I'm having hell trying to figure out how to ditch the utf8 |
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| [17:40:00] | oblib: | poop, so turns out the 'blue' theme works |
| [17:40:00] | oblib: | yeah |
| [17:43:00] | poop: | Tristam: You probably have to recreate your tables ... |
| [17:45:00] | Tristam: | Yeah, but how do I do that AND make sure they aren't utf8...this I don't know |
| [17:45:00] | Tristam: | It's just frustrating...the first time I installed all this, it went so smooth...and now I can't get crap to work. |
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| [17:50:00] | poop: | Db characterset: latin1 |
| [17:50:00] | poop: | I guess the backend creates the tables as needed. |
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| [17:52:00] | xnor: | I have a perfectly running mythtvsetup except that i dont get audio out on the pvr350 to work, all sounds come from my mainboard soundcard. Is it possible to get audio from the card? |
| [17:55:00] | poop: | xnor: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#PVR-350 |
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| [17:57:00] | xnor: | poop:great ill read it |
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| [17:59:00] | Dibblah: | Ugh. I pissed off Isaac again by being stupid. How many times'll that be now? |
| [17:59:00] | xnor: | poop: I get that, but i have a pair of headphones connected to the audio out and i get no audio at all. |
| [17:59:00] | Juski: | xnor: headphones tend not to work in line outputs |
| [18:00:00] | xnor: | Juski: ahh ill test it in the video... brb |
| [18:00:00] | Juski: | and the 3.5mm stereo jack socket on the PVR350 is a line input. the output is on a red & a white socket (left is white, right is red) |
| [18:05:00] | Juski: | woops.. have I been having a bad day & talking outta my ass again? |
| [18:05:00] | Juski: | apparently not, according to this: http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/manuals/qi-pvrpci-250350.pdf |
| [18:08:00] | xnor: | Juski: I have it connected to my video now, still no sound :/ i have tried switching red/white |
| [18:09:00] | Juski: | well at least now you're not trying something that'd never work ;) |
| [18:10:00] | xnor: | Juski: :) maybe some ivtvctl commands will fix it |
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| [18:13:00] | xnor: | Juski: I had to run ivtvctl -K 1 now it works :) |
| [18:17:00] | is02430: | Curious: Mythweb takes over a minute to load on an AMD 2400w256meg. Running fedora 3 l+latest CVS myth. Is this normal or do I have something really weird? |
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| [18:17:00] | sphing: | is02430: is your computer the AMD of the server |
| [18:17:00] | sphing: | *or |
| [18:18:00] | is02430: | Huh... |
| [18:18:00] | sphing: | which is the AMD2400 the computer or the server |
| [18:18:00] | sphing: | generating the page |
| [18:18:00] | is02430: | The server. |
| [18:18:00] | sphing: | hmm... shouldn't take that long.. |
| [18:19:00] | sphing: | i dont regularly use mythweb but on a p3–500 it was under 30 secs |
| [18:19:00] | sphing: | iirc |
| [18:20:00] | is02430: | select * from oldrecorded; |
| [18:20:00] | is02430: | 5721 rows in set (0.04 sec) |
| [18:20:00] | kormoc: | is02430, mythweb on my p3–500 is well less then 10 seconds usually. |
| [18:20:00] | is02430: | Doesn't seem to be a mysql thing. |
| [18:20:00] | kormoc: | what's the load on the box? |
| [18:20:00] | is02430: | load average: 0.05, 0.45, 0.30 |
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| [18:21:00] | kormoc: | is02430, mysql db is on the same box as apache? |
| [18:22:00] | t00m: | hm, myth refuses to record a show from 11:11–11:12 if something's recording from foo:bar-11:11 ? |
| [18:23:00] | is02430: | Depends. When I access it from work I hit my gateway box which had apache. When from home I go directky to the myth box which has mysql and appache. Both are slow. |
| [18:23:00] | kormoc: | t00m, do you have ti set to record any bit of time after the end of recording? |
| [18:23:00] | Juski: | okay.. I've got svn mythtv installed so I can work on my theme, so where in the world is the schedule changes page? I'm using svn that I checked out last night |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | or maybe it's because it's a few seconds into 11:11, and thus thinks it's foobared? |
| [18:24:00] | t00m: | kormoc: i've set it to 0 to test it |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | is02430, odd. |
| [18:24:00] | is02430: | very...:( |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | t00m, donno then, sounds quite odd |
| [18:24:00] | t00m: | it certainly needs a few secs to tune in but it shouldn't skip a whole minute though |
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| [18:30:00] | kcid: | anyone know the keyboard button to bring up the program guide? |
| [18:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | M |
| [18:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | kcid: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 |
| [18:33:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: do you have any idea where this new menu item I was urged to add into my theme is? |
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| [18:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think it hsa to do with scrolling list itemsI think |
| [18:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | uCheck out trac and just look at the revision history of Gant and s oon to see what has been changed in the last week or 2 |
| [18:34:00] | Juski: | righty-o |
| [18:35:00] | johnny99: | anyway to get a ppv guide working – I'm actually looking for NHL and NFL guides to work – as i'm sure it would work the same as the ppv guide...and the ppv.pl does not work correctly. |
| [18:35:00] | johnny99: | sorry – on dishnet here. |
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| [18:36:00] | sphing: | then your assumption is probably wrong... it doesnt work the same as ppv |
| [18:36:00] | Juski: | there... <window name="schdiff"> |
| [18:37:00] | johnny99: | how does it work? i get the same – SIGN OFF for NFL and NHL...and PPV for all the ppv chans...never a description. |
| [18:37:00] | Juski: | can't find it in the menus though.. or am I right in thinking I have to make a schedule change to see it? |
| [18:37:00] | johnny99: | as zap2it – actually works the same – for both ppv and NHL chans – is what they emailed me back with. |
| [18:37:00] | sphing: | johnny99: i have no idea... but you're trying to use a perl app for somehing it wasnt meant for... you might just have to write your own |
| [18:38:00] | sphing: | i gotta run... |
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| [18:38:00] | johnny99: | so – since the ppv.pl is getting from the tvguide menus – it is possible to get it for the NHL dammit sphing you dumbass. |
| [18:38:00] | johnny99: | my assumption is right – now fix it. |
| [18:38:00] | johnny99: | haha |
| [18:39:00] | ** GreyFoxx wishes that Myth's EIT code supported the Dishnet compressed EIT data ** | |
| [18:40:00] | t00m: | is it possible to disable the preview movie in 'watch recordings'? |
| [18:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | it would save me a lot of hassle since I have to setup a box for my uncle that doesn't have a net connection so my only source ogf listings is an old dvb card |
| [18:40:00] | johnny99: | what wouldl that do GreyFoxx? |
| [18:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | t00m: Yes, it's configurable |
| [18:40:00] | t00m: | excellent |
| [18:40:00] | johnny99: | oh i see. |
| [18:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | JohnnyST: Allow it to grab the listings over the air |
| [18:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | inclouding ppv channel info |
| [18:40:00] | t00m: | that eats a lot of cpu, cause people tend to forget it |
| [18:41:00] | Juski: | aha! found it |
| [18:41:00] | johnny99: | wow -that'd be neat. |
| [18:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | JohnnyST: Currently I've got his mockup doing it with a shellscript heh but it's a pain, I'd rather myth's EIT supported it. I might have to look at the EIT code and patch it |
| [18:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | err johnny99 sorry |
| [18:42:00] | johnny99: | sounds like trouble. |
| [18:42:00] | johnny99: | who the hell doesn't have an internet connection? ;) |
| [18:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | johnny99: I said that too him. His only net connection is a dialup from his windows laptop |
| [18:42:00] | johnny99: | yikes! |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | he should get a wireless card – and just steal someone elses net...like i do. |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | hah |
| [18:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | BUt if I could grab the listings from the dish then it owuld be fine |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | different IP everyday – depending on who's router is up. |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | lol |
| [18:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | he lives in a nice house way off themain roads, no local wireless to connect to :) |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | oh |
| [18:43:00] | johnny99: | darn |
| [18:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | no broadband that doesn't cost insane amounts of money |
| [18:44:00] | johnny99: | up here in canada – lots of broadband...that is pretty cheap – but that's canada – most people are away from anything hahaha |
| [18:44:00] | t00m: | johnny99: how do you connect without having the passwords? |
| [18:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | johnny99: I'm Canadian :) |
| [18:44:00] | johnny99: | t00m – what are you talking about? |
| [18:44:00] | ** t00m has 3 wirelesses and they're all not mine ** | |
| [18:44:00] | johnny99: | Grey: by calgary here. |
| [18:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | <<-- In Halifax |
| [18:45:00] | johnny99: | t00m: all you do is search for unencrypted ones....or if they're WEP wireless – it's an easy hack...there's even downloadable bootable cd's haha – all linux |
| [18:45:00] | t00m: | hm, i have to investigate |
| [18:46:00] | johnny99: | ya – do a google search – ... |
| [18:46:00] | johnny99: | within 2 hours – i was able to get into 4 encrypted networks in neighborhood...now if they're not WEP – that is a different issue...i don't know anything about. |
| [18:47:00] | t00m: | i guess one of mine is wep |
| [18:47:00] | johnny99: | yup – most are. |
| [18:47:00] | t00m: | that's the one with the stupid standard password 12345 isn't it? |
| [18:47:00] | _beavis is now known as beavis | |
| [18:47:00] | johnny99: | no |
| [18:48:00] | t00m: | the very first password you need |
| [18:48:00] | t00m: | to connect to the wlan |
| [18:48:00] | t00m: | rather than to the actual router to obtain an ip |
| [18:48:00] | johnny99: | could be....i don't knowl; |
| [18:49:00] | t00m: | hhm, i'm quite new to wlan |
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| [18:49:00] | johnny99: | sorry – back later. |
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| [18:52:00] | Juski: | almost done :) |
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| [18:58:00] | Juski: | just have to add a keys watermark, a thingy for mythflix and do some iddy biddy tweaks... |
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| [19:23:00] | xnor: | Is it possible to have mythtv outputted to pvr350:s video out? any tips how to do it |
| [19:23:00] | dagfinnr: | hello. how can i check if i have installed the right drivers for my videocard in x/kde ? (i have via epia m10000 mb) |
| [19:24:00] | EnterUserName: | perror |
| [19:27:00] | Pio: | anyone ever have problems getting proper audio capturing on a SB Live? |
| [19:27:00] | Pio: | i was getting weird left-channel-only recordings, but I could fix it by monkeying with the alsa EMU10k1 PCM Send mixer controls.. but now i upgraded to 2.6.14 and those controls never show up anymore |
| [19:27:00] | Pio: | maybe i'll try the oss emu10k1 driver :( |
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| [19:36:00] | dagfinnr: | hello. how can i check if i have installed the right drivers for my videocard in x/kde ? (i have via epia m10000 mb) |
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| [19:48:00] | Juski: | ding and ding! |
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| [19:48:00] | Juski: | almost there :) |
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| [19:51:00] | MrFluffy: | I have a weird issue, live tv changes channel fine on my external sky set top box, but scheduled recordings arent changing to the correct channel, any ideas? |
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| [19:53:00] | eiggirC: | Pio: OSS is deprecated |
| [19:54:00] | eiggirC: | make ALSA work |
| [19:54:00] | Pio: | eiggirC, you make it work :P |
| [19:54:00] | Pio: | ive already spent a loong time on it |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | t00m: you around fella? |
| [19:54:00] | eiggirC: | Pio: I'm having similar problems on a plain debian box. |
| [19:54:00] | MrFluffy: | Theres two sky boxes, feeding 2 pvr250's, so perhaps somethings getting confused about inputs. But I dont get why live is ok.. |
| [19:54:00] | t00m: | Juski: just about to go to bed. 4am now.. i feel a bit sleepy. why? |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [19:55:00] | eiggirC: | Pio: fair enough.... My patch was to mknod /dev/mixer c 14 0;chmod 660 /dev/mixer;chgrp audio /dev/mixer on boot. |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | just wondering – you pointed out my theme had a colouring bug today.. which version are you talking about? I'm up to 1.5 now |
| [19:55:00] | t00m: | i was trying to figure out the best option for mencoder for 16:9 tv |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | soon to be 1.6 |
| [19:56:00] | Pio: | eiggirC, yeah on this box, its like in alsa, I can unmute the input i have audio ccoming in on, and it sounds beautiful, perfect.. I can record from the audio device, and it sounds perfect again.. but when myth records off the input, it suddenly becomes left-channel-only |
| [19:56:00] | Pio: | and a little crackly |
| [19:56:00] | t00m: | Juski: how do see that |
| [19:56:00] | Juski: | t00m: was it in 'list view' in mythvideo? |
| [19:56:00] | t00m: | readme doesn't say |
| [19:56:00] | Pio: | and previously I used to be able to then go into alsamixer and these 'EMU10k1 PCM Send' controls would show up (where they didnt before) and I could fiddle with them and by raising the levels of some of the sends I could get real stereo recording again |
| [19:57:00] | t00m: | Juski: tv's off |
| [19:57:00] | t00m: | and stais |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | t00m: since 1.5 it does ;) |
| [19:57:00] | Pio: | but now in the 2.6.14 bundled alsa, those controls dont even show up |
| [19:57:00] | t00m: | stays |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | ah well.. give it a go again when you have the time... it'll be 1.6 in about an hour's time |
| [19:57:00] | Pio: | anyway it sounds better in OSS.. i would really really prefer ALSA over OSS. as well, but I mean.. I dont have a choice |
| [19:57:00] | t00m: | there's also a README.txt~ file. quite dodgy |
| [19:57:00] | Pio: | unless i want to debug mythtv and alsa |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | that's also gone in 1.5 |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | I was in a hurry.. didn't have time to do much cleaning up |
| [19:57:00] | t00m: | Juski: where can i download it in an hour? |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | www.juski.co.uk |
| [19:58:00] | t00m: | :set nobk |
| [19:58:00] | t00m: | you know .. ;) |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | shouldn't you go to bed anyway? lol |
| [19:58:00] | t00m: | yes, but i'll download it later |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | 4am.. gawd yer as bad as me |
| [19:58:00] | t00m: | while you were sleeping |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | right time to check it oot :) |
| [19:59:00] | t00m: | so that the dust settles until youre awake again |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | yeh well once 1.6 is there it'll stay like that for a while |
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| [20:04:00] | Juski: | right.. before I wrap this lot up are there any Project Grayhem theme users around who have issues with the theme? |
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| [20:09:00] | rjune: | jono |
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| [20:15:00] | Juski: | okee then... time to wrap it up & upload it |
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| [20:25:00] | poop: | Need more 16:9 themes |
| [20:26:00] | phoner: | did mysql change the default ports it uses or something |
| [20:28:00] | poop: | That would be bad. |
| [20:28:00] | Juski: | alright p00p |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | you mean.. we need more than ONE 16:9 theme ;) |
| [20:29:00] | jams: | phoner- doubtful |
| [20:30:00] | phoner: | hm, why can't mysql just connect |
| [20:32:00] | poop: | phoner: Maybe it's not actually listening on the interface you expect. |
| [20:32:00] | poop: | Juski: Is Titivillus the only one? |
| [20:32:00] | jams: | or maybe he didn't enable networking |
| [20:32:00] | poop: | That's what I said. |
| [20:32:00] | Pio: | anyone know where i can find a list of keys for mythmusic? |
| [20:32:00] | jams: | Titivillus is not a wide theme |
| [20:33:00] | Pio: | i cant figure out how to skip forward/back by tracks when playing |
| [20:33:00] | poop: | oh yeah, the wide one didn't work, but Titivillus did *shrug* |
| [20:33:00] | Juski: | poop: only minimalist-wide is a wide theme |
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| [20:33:00] | jams: | minimalist-wide Syth-wide and Midnight-wide are the only ones I know of |
| [20:33:00] | Juski: | infact.. only themes ending in -wide are wide |
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| [20:34:00] | Juski: | Syth-wide is one of them LXM ones isn't it? |
| [20:34:00] | poop: | lxm? |
| [20:34:00] | jams: | yes |
| [20:34:00] | Juski: | saw those, then decided to do my own |
| [20:34:00] | jams: | well syth-clean-wide is another |
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| [20:35:00] | jams: | it's syth without the large watermarks |
| [20:36:00] | jams: | phoner- check my.conf make sure that you have networking-enabled |
| [20:36:00] | jams: | Juski- where is you theme? |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | www.juski.co.uk |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | excuse the piss-poor website ;) |
| [20:40:00] | Juski: | I'm no CSS guru |
| [20:41:00] | poop: | You mean a black magician |
| [20:41:00] | Juski: | lol |
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| [20:41:00] | laga: | hi Juski |
| [20:41:00] | Juski: | hiya laga. had a nice day? |
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| [20:43:00] | laga: | Juski: oh yes :) and what about you? |
| [20:44:00] | Juski: | very good thanks... got loads done... svn mythtv installed & (kind of) working.. rolled out a new theme iteration |
| [20:45:00] | laga: | nice. i spent my afternoon in "real life", so to speak ;). maybe i'm going to fiddle with stuff tomorrow if i can get my lazy ass out of my bed before noon ;) |
| [20:45:00] | Juski: | think I'll relax for the rest of tonight.. going xmas shopping tomorrow |
| [20:45:00] | laga: | ouch. make sure to bring enough pain killers |
| [20:45:00] | Juski: | if I can nail it all tomorrow, then I have monday & tuesday to do nothing at all :) |
| [20:46:00] | Juski: | nah... we're heading out early.. be there when the shops open.. be home by 1pm |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | sounds like a masterplan. |
| [20:46:00] | jams: | heh, we should place bets on that home by 1 statement |
| [20:47:00] | laga: | Juski: right ;) |
| [20:47:00] | ** laga is going to catch up on recordings and beer tonight ** | |
| [20:48:00] | Juski: | I've been up since 5.30am.. if I have a beer I'll just Zzz |
| [20:48:00] | Juski: | jams: we managed it last year |
| [20:48:00] | laga: | i usually get up at 6am, stop complaining ;) |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | i woke up at noon today. |
| [20:48:00] | Juski: | I usually get up at 8am.. dunno what happenned today |
| [20:49:00] | Chutt: | but then i was up & working until 4 am. |
| [20:49:00] | laga: | Chutt: good boy ;) |
| [20:49:00] | Juski: | that's what I call dedication, Chutt |
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| [20:49:00] | Chutt: | naw, it's just a messed up sleeping schedule |
| [20:50:00] | jams: | Chutt- don't know if you saw the message but those items have been fixed |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | ah |
| [20:50:00] | Chutt: | i'll check |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | i dunno, i'm still worried about the caching :p |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | oh yeah.. had one little issue today about svn mythmusic not compiling.. the compiler whining about not being able to convert one type to another |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | and the current website looks a little nicer, i think. |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | I disabled aac & it went well after that, so maybe it can wait |
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| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | jams, the next button at the bottom of the page doesn't work |
| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | neither do the numbers |
| [20:52:00] | jams: | konq? |
| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [20:53:00] | Chutt: | they don't work in ie, either |
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| [20:53:00] | jams: | bet they work now |
| [20:53:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [20:54:00] | ** jams turned off the cache ** | |
| [20:54:00] | Chutt: | heh, figured |
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| [20:55:00] | laga: | the new website looks spiffy, indeed. |
| [20:56:00] | laga: | Chutt: do you plan on updating the new website more often if it's there? |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | that's the idea |
| [20:56:00] | jams: | Chutt- do you want those little icons in the corner? |
| [20:56:00] | Chutt: | naw, i don't care about those |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | nice. would be cool to let people know what features are currently being developed, for example. |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | just, stuff doesn't line up at all |
| [20:57:00] | Chutt: | i don't know if it's my lcd display, but the blue background of the 'main menu' looks all funky |
| [20:57:00] | gratuit: | I'm having a problem with mythmusic, whenever I select Scan for new music, nothing seems to happen, so I haven't been able to add any songs to it, what program does it use to scan? or is there any other reason for me not to be able to add music? |
| [20:58:00] | poop: | Anyone use this nvidia twinview to clone their display? |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | and i _need_ it to cache stuff :p |
| [20:58:00] | jams: | hmm things line up here, in all the resolutions except really small ones |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | else the site will go down under a slashdotting |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | things don't line up in ie, firefox, or konq, here |
| [20:58:00] | Chutt: | all at 1600x1200 |
| [20:59:00] | jams: | full screen? |
| [20:59:00] | Chutt: | 'Home' is higher than 'Main Menu' |
| [20:59:00] | Chutt: | the articles are slightly higher than the menu.. |
| [20:59:00] | Pio: | where can i get a list of the key commands that myth supports in an lircrc? |
| [21:00:00] | jams: | ok mostly likely that's because of the missing lastest news box =) |
| [21:00:00] | laga: | Pio: check the file keys.txt |
| [21:00:00] | phoner: | doesn't seem to be a mysql.conf on my system, but I can connect to the database from another machine |
| [21:00:00] | Pio: | yeah, i saw that, is that all of them? |
| [21:01:00] | oblib: | is there a good place to learn about mythvideo? I can't seem to control the video while it's playing |
| [21:01:00] | Pio: | mythmusic uses . and , to skip forward/back in a playlist, but i cant figure out what myth key would do that for me |
| [21:01:00] | Chutt: | jams, how hard's it to tweak stuff, layout-wise? |
| [21:01:00] | Pio: | maybe theres F-keys that do the same thing.. |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | Pio: well, you can use any of the keys listed in there. and if that's not enough, you can create keybindings in mythweb |
| [21:01:00] | Chutt: | and, is the only way to fix the long text in the menu by just using shorter names? |
| [21:01:00] | Pio: | oh, huh, interesting |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | Pio: well, the myth key is "." and "," then. you just send the keys to mythtv via lirc as if you pressed them on the keyboard. |
| [21:03:00] | oblib: | Are there default keyboard commands for mythvideo? |
| [21:03:00] | oblib: | poop, you mean clone as in show the same thing on both monitors? |
| [21:03:00] | poop: | oblib: yeah |
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| [21:04:00] | oblib: | poop, I haven't. Are you having probs with it? |
| [21:04:00] | poop: | oblib: No, since I haven't tried it |
| [21:05:00] | xnor_: | anyone know how to pipe mythtvGUI to a pvr350 tvout? |
| [21:05:00] | oblib: | poop, I've done dual screen, and tv only, but not clone |
| [21:07:00] | Juski: | right... one post to the user's list and my work is over for the day (yay!) |
| [21:08:00] | Juski: | time to slump on the couch :D |
| [21:08:00] | Juski: | night all |
| [21:09:00] | laga: | bye Juski |
| [21:11:00] | jams: | Chutt- for the long names it was just quicker to make them shorter then "fix" the problem |
| [21:11:00] | Pio: | ah thanks laga, this myth keybindings table editor is way cool, dont know how i missed it before |
| [21:12:00] | jams: | My impression of this was to mock up something to see if you wanted to switch or not |
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| [21:15:00] | xnor_: | if i run modprobe saa7127 debug=1 test_image=1 i see grayscale bars, but the picture "jumps" any ideas? should it be colour? |
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| [21:20:00] | gratuit: | is there a way to manually create a playlist for mythmusic? |
| [21:20:00] | gratuit: | I can't seem to add any of my music to it |
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| [21:23:00] | _nero_: | Anyone here running Logitech Z5500 speakers? |
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| [21:27:00] | phoner: | heh, mythtv-setup won't connect to database, is there some dependency that could be missing? |
| [21:29:00] | poop: | phoner: Can you connect to mysql manually? |
| [21:30:00] | phoner: | yes, localhost and from a remote machine |
| [21:30:00] | poop: | phoner: What error are you getting from mythtv-setup? |
| [21:31:00] | phoner: | unable to connect to database |
| [21:31:00] | phoner: | no error type from QSqlError? |
| [21:31:00] | mishehu: | anybody here good with ffmpeg? I am trying to transcode a file, and I'm using -vcodec mpeg4, but the resulting file always reports a codec of FMP4, which xine does not know how to handle... am I doing something wrong trying to transcode an mpeg2 to mpeg4? |
| [21:31:00] | poop: | phoner: Make sure you have qt3-mysqsl installed |
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| [21:32:00] | Nothingman: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [21:33:00] | Nothingman: | Failed to bind port: 6543 |
| [21:33:00] | Nothingman: | what does that mean? |
| [21:33:00] | Nothingman: | could that be why my other frontend machines can't access my server? |
| [21:33:00] | Goshun: | Phoner: what distro? On Mandriva by default the connection from the outside is blocked to mysql and you have to delete a file in sysconfig for it to accept connections |
| [21:34:00] | poop: | Nothing: something else has it bound (lsof) |
| [21:34:00] | Scuzzle: | You may have something else already bound to that port, do a 'netstat -an' to find out. |
| [21:35:00] | phoner: | FC4 |
| [21:36:00] | oblib: | Are there default keyboard commands for mythvideo? |
| [21:36:00] | kormoc: | oblib, depends on the media player used |
| [21:37:00] | kormoc: | internal, the key commands are the same as watching a recording, otherwise, they are the ones of the media player used |
| [21:37:00] | Tristam: | If I ever get this damned thing to work, I am going to sacrifice a goat. |
| [21:38:00] | rjune: | Baaa |
| [21:38:00] | oblib: | kormoc, I'm using mplayer, and it doesn't seem to respond to any keypresses |
| [21:38:00] | oblib: | does myth have an internal player you can use with mythvideo? |
| [21:39:00] | rjune: | oblib: space bar doesnt' do anything? |
| [21:39:00] | kormoc: | yes, it does, as to mplayer not working right, do you have a wm? |
| [21:40:00] | oblib: | rjune, nothing |
| [21:41:00] | oblib: | kormoc, what is wm? windows manager? just xorg |
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| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | wm is window manager |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | yeah, you need one with myth, or you get issues like that |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | the keyboard focus is on myth, but mplayer is on top |
| [21:43:00] | oblib: | I think tmw was installed default. Is that good enough? |
| [21:43:00] | oblib: | How can I check to see if it's running? |
| [21:43:00] | kormoc: | it should be, aye |
| [21:43:00] | kormoc: | not sure about that one |
| [21:43:00] | oblib: | I guess I could look at the processes |
| [21:44:00] | oblib: | would alt+tab switch the focus? |
| [21:44:00] | kormoc: | without a WM, no |
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| [21:44:00] | kormoc: | you see, x just draws windows, the WM is what deals with focus and all that jazz |
| [21:45:00] | oblib: | So would I have to start twm first, and then have it fire up myth? |
| [21:45:00] | kormoc: | yup |
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| [21:46:00] | oblib: | that would be the problem then, the computer runs mythfrontend right off the bat |
| [21:48:00] | kormoc: | yeah, that would do it |
| [21:49:00] | oblib: | xdm would work too, right? |
| [21:49:00] | oblib: | Do you know how to configure xdm to run mythtv on startup. If not I can google it easy enough |
| [21:50:00] | kormoc: | I don't know, sorry |
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| [21:53:00] | phoner: | google can't find everything |
| [21:57:00] | phoner: | after installing qt3-mysql think i'd have to recompile mythtv? |
| [21:57:00] | laga: | i don't think so. |
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| [22:01:00] | poop: | phoner: no |
| [22:03:00] | oblib: | Anyone know how to configure xdm to run mythtv on startup? |
| [22:03:00] | Scuzzle: | Hmm, if I want to recompile Myth for my XBox Frontend, do I need to recompile on the XBox, or will an unmodified compile on a standard PC work? I would think it should but not sure... |
| [22:08:00] | poop: | Scuzzle: It's just x86, so you can build binaries on another x86 |
| [22:09:00] | Scuzzle: | Thanks poop, I'm not an expert at this and wasn't sure about libraries and such as well. But I'll give it a go. |
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| [22:10:00] | Scuzzle: | I've been searching for a week or so to a crash when my frontend plays certain streams, and found a small change in SVN that I should be able to patch into my current version with no other side effects. (Fingers crossed). |
| [22:11:00] | Juski: | ach well.. so much for relaxing |
| [22:12:00] | Scuzzle: | My last line made very little sense, but if anyone can extract sense from it then good for them. ;) |
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| [22:13:00] | Juski: | just had an interesting few minutes trying to watch an HD video.. seems a 2.8GHz athlon with 1GB RAM can't keep up with mpeg4 720p |
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| [22:14:00] | laga: | Juski: *sigh* it needs a lot of horsepower. |
| [22:14:00] | ** Juski writes a nice letter to santa ** | |
| [22:14:00] | Juski: | looks bloody pretty though :) |
| [22:14:00] | laga: | Juski: i wish it helped. |
| [22:15:00] | laga: | Juski: hehe, yep. unfortunately. |
| [22:15:00] | s34n: | here's a super vaque question: what is the average filesize for a ripped DVD? Let's say 90 minutes, decent quality, you pick the codec :) |
| [22:15:00] | Juski: | well seen as I'm here I may aswell crack on with this wide thing |
| [22:16:00] | laga: | Juski: right. |
| [22:16:00] | oblib: | s34n from 2–4 gigs depending on rate |
| [22:16:00] | Juski: | is there a cure for being a mythoholic? |
| [22:17:00] | Krazylegz: | More Myth! |
| [22:17:00] | Juski: | heheh thought as much |
| [22:17:00] | Juski: | just what the doctor ordered, in that case |
| [22:17:00] | oblib: | s34n, Single layer max is just over 4 gigs and they try to get near that |
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| [22:18:00] | Juski: | decent quality with xvid takes my rips to about 1.4–2GB |
| [22:18:00] | Juski: | I mean stuff that looks good on panoramic landscape shots & dissolves |
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| [22:18:00] | s34n: | thx |
| [22:19:00] | Juski: | mpeg isn't very good at doing solid areas of colour unless it's been really well optimised |
| [22:23:00] | oblib: | Anyone know how to configure xdm to run mythtv on startup? |
| [22:23:00] | laga: | oblib: put mythfrontend in your .xinitrc |
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| [22:24:00] | oblib: | in home dir? |
| [22:24:00] | phoner: | awesome, it was qt-MYSQL i needed, what's qt3? |
| [22:25:00] | laga: | oblib: right. |
| [22:25:00] | oblib: | then run /etc/init.d/xdm restart? |
| [22:29:00] | oblib: | mplayer still doesn't respond. Can you help laga? |
| [22:29:00] | oblib: | When I do mythvideo (mplayer), the player does not respond to the keyboard |
| [22:29:00] | laga: | oblib: sounds like a focus issue |
| [22:30:00] | oblib: | I used to just run mythfrontend from the .xsession file |
| [22:30:00] | oblib: | Now I have .xsession run xdm, and .xinitrc run mythfrontend |
| [22:30:00] | kormoc: | doesn't .xinitrc override .xsession? |
| [22:30:00] | laga: | xdm is a display manager. not a window manager ;) |
| [22:31:00] | oblib: | d'oh |
| [22:31:00] | oblib: | how do I work a wm into it? I have twm, can I use that? |
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| [22:32:00] | xnor_: | if i run modprobe saa7127 test_image=1 debug=1 it defaults to NTSC, how do i change it to PAL ? |
| [22:33:00] | laga: | oblib: dunno, i use ratpoison or fluxbox |
| [22:34:00] | oblib: | those are both wm's? |
| [22:34:00] | laga: | yep |
| [22:34:00] | oblib: | is fluxbox easy to configure? |
| [22:34:00] | laga: | yes |
| [22:35:00] | laga: | ratpoison is less user-friendly. but both work quite well out of the box, i believe |
| [22:36:00] | meowphil: | Scuzzle, im runnin mythfrontend on Xfedora... |
| [22:36:00] | meowphil: | Its pants... |
| [22:36:00] | Scuzzle: | My XBox frontend runs on Xebian, and it has a few problems, but I wouldn't call it pants... :) |
| [22:36:00] | oblib: | laga so do I startx and then run fluxbox, or what? |
| [22:36:00] | meowphil: | Just thought you'd like to know that if you was taking the Xfedora/myth route |
| [22:36:00] | meowphil: | I ran xebian for a while, its much better imo |
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| [22:37:00] | meowphil: | In fact, tommorow im going back to xebian :) |
| [22:37:00] | laga: | oblib: put fluxbox in your .xinitrc and run startx |
| [22:37:00] | meowphil: | the fedora install is just too memory hungry and it takes half its time to swapfile... |
| [22:37:00] | oblib: | Is there a difference between xinitrc and .xsession? |
| [22:38:00] | Scuzzle: | The two issues I have at the moment, are 1) Some streams crash the frontend, but I've found a fix in SVN for that (I think) and 2) Playback stops and you can see a 'player timeout' if you're watching the console output of mythfrontend. |
| [22:38:00] | poop: | Is svn better for firewire? |
| [22:39:00] | meowphil: | I have mythfrontend on xfedora crash about 10 times a session, and lock up on epg, playback, randomly ignore the dvd remote |
| [22:39:00] | meowphil: | Id be happy to have it so only some streams caused it to crash :) |
| [22:39:00] | Scuzzle: | Switch back to Xebian. :) |
| [22:39:00] | oblib: | laga, that's pretty slick |
| [22:40:00] | meowphil: | Scuzzle, Latest downloading as we speak ;) |
| [22:40:00] | Scuzzle: | I'm thinking about upgrading the RAM in my XBox to 128Mb to see if that speeds things up a little though. Maybe cure the 'player timeout'. |
| [22:41:00] | Scuzzle: | USed to be lots of people selling the memory chips, seems to be alot less around now. Maybe the XBox is jsut old technology... :p |
| [22:41:00] | oblib: | laga, one last q. How to make flux start myth right away? |
| [22:41:00] | meowphil: | Im itching for someone to break the 360 for that very reason ;) |
| [22:41:00] | Scuzzle: | I'm watching the Wiki for that as well, meowphil. |
| [22:42:00] | Juski: | meowphil: you checked out free60.org ? |
| [22:42:00] | laga: | oblib: just put a & after fluxbox and write "mythfrontend" in a new line |
| [22:42:00] | meowphil: | Can u install xebian natively in a ext2 partition now? last time I ran it, I ran a loopbackfs install and the loopback device took lots of cpu |
| [22:42:00] | meowphil: | Juski, watching it carefully ;) |
| [22:43:00] | Scuzzle: | Mine is running from the loopback driver at the moment. |
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| [22:43:00] | Scuzzle: | But, yes, I'm pretty sure you can. |
| [22:43:00] | meowphil: | have u ran a top when its running livetv or something? mine seemed to be fighting between myth and loopbackdevice when i did that |
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| [22:44:00] | Scuzzle: | It's currently in use watching a DVB recording. Pretty much running flat out. |
| [22:45:00] | Scuzzle: | See the top at http://pastebin.ca/32166 |
| [22:45:00] | meowphil: | yeah its a fine balancing act... |
| [22:47:00] | Scuzzle: | Have you upgraded the RAM in yours? |
| [22:47:00] | meowphil: | Let me fire up my xfedora install, and you can marvel at how much of the swap its consuming :) |
| [22:47:00] | meowphil: | No |
| [22:47:00] | Scuzzle: | Any idea if it'll help? |
| [22:47:00] | meowphil: | I thought about it , if I met someone who had done it and got a definate myth advantage, it'd be done |
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| [22:48:00] | Scuzzle: | I might just do it anyway, but does leave a lot of scope for knackering the XBox. |
| [22:48:00] | meowphil: | Ive got two, so who dares wins its going to be :) |
| [22:48:00] | oblib: | laga, any way to speed up load times? |
| [22:49:00] | laga: | oblib: umm. take a look at prelink ;) but it will probably won't help much |
| [22:50:00] | meowphil: | Scuzzle, they said that to me about the modchip on a 1.6 |
| [22:50:00] | meowphil: | which before anyone has a go, is only on as a convienient way to boot linux.. |
| [22:51:00] | Scuzzle: | Yup, but the soldering involved is alot more detailed than what I had to do to install the Modchip. |
| [22:52:00] | Scuzzle: | I'm going to head off just now for a bit, hope to see you on again meowphil and we can compare XBox notes. :) |
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| [22:57:00] | meowphil: | haha during my top mythfrontend took a dive and is now consuming 99% cpu :) |
| [22:57:00] | meowphil: | so thats why it ignores the dvd remote! |
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| [22:58:00] | meowphil: | http://pastebin.ca/32171 if anyones interested.. |
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| [23:24:00] | Servo888: | If I reinstall mythtv will I need to run setup again? |
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| [23:27:00] | Juski: | whoah... that's just not on... http://centerstageproject.com/index.php?id=111 why do mac users always get the prettiest UIs? |
| [23:28:00] | Chutt: | their ui is crap. |
| [23:28:00] | Chutt: | it's not useable without a mouse + keyboard. |
| [23:28:00] | Juski: | ah |
| [23:28:00] | Juski: | looks a bit too head-on for PAL TV resolutions too |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [23:29:00] | laga: | but it's shiny. |
| [23:29:00] | Juski: | laga: that's my point |
| [23:29:00] | Juski: | the reflections etc... :P |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | still doesn't mean it's not crap :p |
| [23:30:00] | Juski: | fairy snuff ;) |
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| [23:32:00] | Juski: | grass is always greener (at first glance) & all that |
| [23:32:00] | ** Juski goes back to slaving over a hot bitmap editor ** | |
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