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    datetime:  2010-12-02 22:41:49 (UTC)
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Thursday, December 1st, 2005, 00:10 UTC
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[00:10:00] CanadaBoy: damit ...
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[00:11:00] CanadaBoy: why won't u htaccess ..
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[00:28:00] CanadaBoy: anyone wanna help me with htaccess/htpassword?
[00:31:00] poop: #linux might
[00:31:00] CanadaBoy: thx :-P
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[00:46:00] a1fa|64: yo
[00:47:00] a1fa|64: yo yo yo
[00:47:00] a1fa|64: man.. they messed up season finalle prison break
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[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: huh?
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[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: It was the fall finale, not the season finale I don't believe
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[00:50:00] a1fa|64: yeah
[00:51:00] a1fa|64: but they messed it up
[00:51:00] a1fa|64: i dont know if you watched it
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: I did
[00:51:00] a1fa|64: i dont want to ruin it for anybody
[00:51:00] a1fa|64: but i was expecting moe
[00:51:00] a1fa|64: more i guess
[00:52:00] GreyFoxx: that's not "messing it up" :)
[00:52:00] GreyFoxx: just personally dissapointing :)
[00:53:00] a1fa|64: you were not?
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: no
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: no more so than any mid season break
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[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: I hate having to wait months for new epps
[00:53:00] a1fa|64: two episodes left for lost
[00:53:00] a1fa|64: i cant wait
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[00:57:00] a1fa|64: good thing lost has two last episodes on
[00:57:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx: you got the whole season recorded, dont you?
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[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: yes
[01:01:00] a1fa|64: hehe
[01:01:00] a1fa|64: i was gonna privmsg you
[01:01:00] a1fa|64: but then i need to change my nick
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[01:02:00] psofa: anyone familiar with vdr?
[01:02:00] a1fa|64: vanerial desease?
[01:02:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx: can u share?
[01:02:00] a1fa|64: i missed one episode
[01:02:00] GreyFoxx: psofa: I used it one a few years ago
[01:02:00] kormoc: psofa, not preticularly, this is a mythtv channel, not a vdr channel
[01:02:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: I don't share out my recordings, sorry
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: bp
[01:03:00] a1fa|64: np.. do you transcode yours to mp4?
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: sometimes, not very often
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: I rarely keep shows beyond a single watching
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[01:06:00] psofa: well whats a good software output plugin?
[01:07:00] GreyFoxx: no idea
[01:07:00] psofa: softdevice gives me black and white video
[01:07:00] psofa: :(
[01:07:00] GreyFoxx: I used it with a hardware decoder, a nd only for acouple days
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[01:08:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx: but you kept the hole season of prison break for youw woman?
[01:09:00] GreyFoxx: yes
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[01:11:00] a1fa|64: how about lost?
[01:11:00] Krazylegz: Lost!
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[01:12:00] GreyFoxx: love that too
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[01:35:00] poop: Anyone running nvidia driver 1.0.7676? The s-video output is crap.
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[01:38:00] Dagmar: I was using it without much of an issue
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[01:51:00] frox: can someone explain the diffeence between commflag and cutlist?
[01:53:00] frox: i am writing an encoding script for mplayer and need a cutlist where the commercials are in the recording, but my recordings have commflags, but not cutlists, so i need to generate them somehow or something, not sure how to get the cutlist
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[01:56:00] xanderp: anyone here have much LVM knowledge? I successfully created a partition that spans 2 drives. I then formatted it and moved files from my 3rd drive to it. I then changed the 3rd drive to lvm and added it to the lvm group and that seems to have worked, but I don't know how to stretch the lvm out to the new FULL size of the partition space available.
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[02:06:00] \Grooby\: anyone here was able to use utf8 in their mysql and ran mythbackend to create the tables?
[02:08:00] kormoc: I switched to utf8 after myth was up and running
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[02:09:00] \Grooby\: just recompile mysql with utf flag?
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: (sorry..use gentoo here)
[02:09:00] kormoc: yup
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: ok
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: thank you
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: :)
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: i was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting error messages til I google out an old irc log
[02:09:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
[02:10:00] \Grooby\: kormoc, afterward, I *should* be able to see chinese characters in things like movie listing and such?
[02:10:00] kormoc: in theory, if myth supports it
[02:10:00] \Grooby\: ok
[02:11:00] \Grooby\: first time building this from scratch..had always use knoppmyth and it didn't like my chinese named movies
[02:11:00] kormoc: heh, well g'luck with it.
[02:12:00] \Grooby\: thanks :)
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[02:19:00] xanderp: is there a clean easy way to expand a lvm partition to the FULL available size? (like a lvm-tool or something that way i don't have to just 'guess' as to how big to grow it to?)
[02:20:00] kormoc: xanderp, not preticullarly
[02:20:00] xanderp: crap
[02:21:00] xanderp: was hoping for some sorta 'gui' slide the arrow to the right to grow, slide to the left to shrink type app
[02:22:00] kormoc: not only do you have to grow/shrink the partition
[02:22:00] kormoc: you'll need to grow/shrink the filesystem that is ontop of the partition
[02:23:00] xanderp: i created a lvm partition on the new disk, then added that disk to the lvm group.
[02:24:00] kormoc: and then what filesystem did you put on it? ext2? ext3? rieser? jfs?
[02:24:00] xanderp: the existing group was already formatted xfs
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[02:24:00] kormoc: you'll need to resize that xfs after you resize the lvm partition
[02:24:00] xanderp: and there's not a gui for the lvm partition resize?
[02:25:00] kormoc: nope
[02:25:00] kormoc: evms is a manager for lvm stuff and what not, but I'm not sure what all it involves to setup
[02:25:00] xanderp: just have to 'guess' how big, or is there a way to say 'grow to max size available'
[02:25:00] kormoc: donno, might wanna read up some lvm howtos on resizing
[02:26:00] xanderp: all the ones i found mentioned using something like +5G (add 5gig) etc for adding a specific amount of size...
[02:26:00] kormoc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html
[02:26:00] kormoc: you are using lvm2 btw
[02:27:00] xanderp: the problem is that I have 16 gig of data on that LVM and nowhere to move it to... or I would just blow it away and create 1 setup from scratch the full size...
[02:27:00] xanderp: ummm i don't know
[02:27:00] kormoc: no, that was a statement, you are using lvm2
[02:27:00] xanderp: ahh ok
[02:27:00] kormoc: you'll have to read the docs on what to do with this
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[02:28:00] xanderp: (xanderp is spoiled on gui tools... ) :)
[02:28:00] xanderp: I CAN move it off to another machine, but moving 16 gig of data at 100Mb is not that fun
[02:28:00] kormoc: heh, welp, guess it's a day to suck it up :)
[02:28:00] xanderp: aurghh
[02:29:00] xanderp: i need a lvm2 'partition magic' kinda tool... now if only i knew how to program.
[02:29:00] kormoc: welp, I'm off
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[02:39:00] mishehu: got mythtv 0.18.1 running on an amd athlon 3200+, running kernel 2.6.12.6. It has a pvr250, and is using ivtv 0.4.0. whenever mythtv is recording something, I can't play any dvds on xine, as the a52 passthru loses sync/timing, and causes the receiver to constantly drop from digital to stereo mode. anybody know what might be causing this?
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[02:40:00] mishehu: I somehow don't think it's an interrupt issue:
[02:40:00] mishehu: 193: 8856307 IO-APIC-level ivtv0
[02:40:00] mishehu: 201: 51128673 IO-APIC-level EMU10K1, SysKonnect SK-98xx
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[02:41:00] xanderp: mishehu: no clue, sorry :(
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[02:51:00] mishehu: how many jiffies should I set the kernel to?
[02:51:00] mishehu: 250 or 1000?
[02:53:00] \Grooby\: you mean frequency?
[02:53:00] \Grooby\: i had problem w/ my HD3K at 1000hgz
[02:53:00] \Grooby\: htz
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[02:55:00] mishehu: what problem did you have?
[02:56:00] mishehu: becuase I also have an hd3k in the machine, it's not used yet as I've not yet configured it.
[02:59:00] mishehu: what did you set it for, and what preemption did you set?
[03:05:00] quantm__: can mythtv stream video from the web interface yet?
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[03:10:00] \Grooby\: i have it set to standard
[03:10:00] \Grooby\: and for hd3k
[03:10:00] \Grooby\: at least w/ my mobo
[03:10:00] \Grooby\: I get funky irq errors in couple minutes with it
[03:10:00] \Grooby\: don't have that problem at 250hz
[03:11:00] \Grooby\: you can give it a try and see
[03:11:00] \Grooby\: I am still buidling the box (currently trying to merge the DD data and the DVB scan
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[03:23:00] johnny99: i can't find the answer on the lists: my live tv AND my recordings turned really dark over the last week – even though nothing has changed. I never made any adjustments – and settings are set to DVD 4500 bitrate
[03:25:00] \Grooby\: if you plug in the source directly to TV, is it still dark?
[03:25:00] johnny99: no
[03:25:00] \Grooby\: also how's the airflow in your case?
[03:25:00] johnny99: its wide open – so – no prob there
[03:25:00] \Grooby\: hmmm ok
[03:25:00] \Grooby\: in that case....i have no clue
[03:25:00] \Grooby\: lol
[03:25:00] johnny99: that was a suggestion on the lists — so i tried that.
[03:26:00] johnny99: ok – well thanks grooby ;)
[03:26:00] \Grooby\: what if you shut the box off for about 5 minutes
[03:26:00] \Grooby\: and turn it back on
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[03:26:00] johnny99: yup – i did that earlier – just for the heck of it – had it off for 30 mins
[03:27:00] FunkyELF: hey guys, I'm trying out this RR4 live linux cd. It has mythtv installed on it and I'm trying to connect it to my backend. I've never connected to my backend from another machine. I can't get it working...any ideas what could be wrong?
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[03:29:00] FunkyELF: anyone awake?
[03:30:00] johnny99: sorry funky – no idea here.
[03:31:00] FunkyELF: Database error was:
[03:31:00] FunkyELF: Access denied for user 'root'@'192.168.1.101' (using password: YES)
[03:31:00] FunkyELF: I'm getting that now while trying to start mythfrontend....possibly a mysqlerror
[03:35:00] johnny99: hmm
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[03:36:00] FunkyELF: I don't know where I would grant access
[03:37:00] johnny99: oh – I saw that before:UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=OLD_PASSWORD('mynewpass');
[03:37:00] johnny99: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
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[03:37:00] johnny99: you compile from source?
[03:37:00] FunkyELF: yea....well, gentoo did for me
[03:38:00] johnny99: i c
[03:39:00] johnny99: ok – and have you tried:
[03:39:00] johnny99: mysql> update user
[03:39:00] johnny99: mysql>set password = old_password ('your password')
[03:39:00] johnny99: mysql> where user = 'your user name';
[03:40:00] johnny99: its for sure a setup issue with mysql
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: It's more likely a problem because you haven't granted access to the database from that IP
[03:41:00] FunkyELF: that is what I was thinking
[03:41:00] FunkyELF: but I thought I did that a while ago when I tried using MythTV for Windows (forget what it is called)
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, but was WinMyth connected with the "mythtv" sql user or "root" like that error you just pasted ?
[03:42:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, do you know how to grant access from any IP address?
[03:42:00] FunkyELF: I forget
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: Well, you can change your mysql.txt to use the mythtv user rather than root
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: see if that works
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: or just do a grant for root from that IP
[03:43:00] mishehu: ah shit, lirc symbol problems – verify_area()
[03:44:00] johnny99: an example of it – would be to log onto your backend machine – then:
[03:44:00] johnny99:
[03:44:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx okay, now I'm using mythtv / mythtv and it seems to work, but now I'm getting an error about connecting to the master backend server
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[03:44:00] GreyFoxx: What is the error ?
[03:44:00] FunkyELF: h/o
[03:46:00] FunkyELF: Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: What IP for you have setup for the backend ip ?
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: 127.0.0.1 maybe ?
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: if so you would have to reconfigure to use the external IP of the box and not localhost in order for other machines to reach it
[03:48:00] johnny99: yah – need something other than localhost – good point grey
[03:48:00] FunkyELF: wow...i actually had a typo in there. Now that I have the correct address in there I can actually see the programs that I have recorded in the list, but I can't play them
[03:48:00] FunkyELF: I guess that is a different issue
[03:48:00] johnny99: well – that's kewl.
[03:48:00] FunkyELF: 2005-11–30 22:47:35.668 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file (myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1066_20051130220000_20051130223000.nuv)
[03:48:00] johnny99: so – what happens when you can't play them?
[03:48:00] johnny99: oh
[03:49:00] johnny99: you got any other kind of firewall?
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: make sure that the IP in mythtv-setup is the external IP
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: and make sure you restart aall frontend/ backends(softrware only) if you changed it
[03:50:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, do you have more than one frontend?
[03:51:00] GreyFoxx: yup, several
[03:51:00] GreyFoxx: 2 backends, 3 pc frontends, 1 mediamvp frontend
[03:52:00] FunkyELF: whats mediamvp ?
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: small little hardwar edecoder
[03:52:00] FunkyELF: ahh
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: size of a couple cd's
[03:53:00] jams: yeah I have one sitting on the shelf :)
[03:53:00] FunkyELF: I have a single machine with a dual tuner in it. It runs the database and mythbackend and mythweb and everything. I use mythfrontend on that same machine and it sits out by my TV
[03:53:00] FunkyELF: I just got this RR4 live gentoo linux DVD and wanted to try it out and saw that it had mythtv installed on it
[03:54:00] FunkyELF: If I wanted to have another frontend in my room what all do I need to set up?
[03:55:00] FunkyELF: when I launched mythsetup I just selected "leave my capture settings alone" ... and the same for the video sources
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: Make sure MySQL is accessible from the new box, and that mythtv is configured to talk to / listen on the actual ethernet IP of the backend
[03:58:00] FunkyELF: great, I ssh'd into the backend and restarted mythbackend and now I can't connect and even mythweb isn't responding
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[03:58:00] JoeyJoeJo: for some reason my backend has stopped flagging commercials. how can I tell what the problem is?
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[04:02:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, do you know what may have messed that up?
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[04:07:00] a1fa|64: duuudeee
[04:07:00] a1fa|64: mythtv cut off last minute and a half
[04:07:00] a1fa|64: of my lost episode
[04:07:00] a1fa|64: god damn it
[04:07:00] a1fa|64: Wed Nov 30 22:08:14 CST 2005
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[04:08:00] a1fa|64: GreyFoxx
[04:09:00] mishehu: ugh tonight is not my night
[04:09:00] JoeyJoeJo: where is the option to automatically transcode a show finished recording?
[04:10:00] a1fa|64: mythtv-setup
[04:10:00] JoeyJoeJo: ah, thats why I can't find it.. thanks
[04:11:00] a1fa|64: did anyone watch lost?
[04:12:00] a1fa|64: why did mythtv cut the end of my show early
[04:15:00] Chutt: show either ran longer than it was scheduled to, or your clock is off.
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[04:15:00] a1fa|64: shit.. i need to sinc my clock then
[04:15:00] _nero_: Chutt- didnt you specifically code in to cut off Lost on alfa|64's machine??
[04:15:00] a1fa|64: what time you got chutt
[04:15:00] Chutt: uh, use ntp.
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[04:16:00] Chutt: nero, indeed i did.
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[04:16:00] a1fa|64: i hate ntp.. i have to deal with that shit daily
[04:16:00] \Grooby\: grrrrrr
[04:16:00] \Grooby\: mysql now won't start
[04:16:00] _nero_: alfa- then your recordings are going to be off..
[04:16:00] _nero_: just install ntpd and be done with it.
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: _nero_: is there a specific debian package
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[04:17:00] a1fa|64: ntp
[04:17:00] _nero_: alfa|64- not sure.. I dont run deb..
[04:17:00] a1fa|64: yeah its ntp
[04:22:00] a1fa|64: how often should i sych my time?
[04:23:00] _nero_: ntpd is a dameon that will make sure your time stays synced..
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[04:26:00] JoeyJoeJo: my backend only has 1% of it's ram free. Is that bad?
[04:27:00] a1fa|64: see if this works
[04:27:00] a1fa|64: _nero_: which one do you use?
[04:27:00] a1fa|64: ntp server?
[04:27:00] _nero_: ns.nts.umn.edu
[04:28:00] _nero_: just pick one that is close by.
[04:31:00] Tristam: Grrr, this is really pissing me off. Any changes I make in mythtv-setup aren't getting saved.
[04:32:00] Tristam: I get: "Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database
[04:32:00] Tristam: already has 16 tables."
[04:34:00] a1fa|64: heh, it is not synching
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[04:39:00] a1fa|64: 80.74.132.178 130.149.17.21 2 u 27 64 3 151.261 -3.660 7.725
[04:39:00] a1fa|64: still not synching
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[04:40:00] mishehu: ok, this makes no sense to me... all I did was update the kernel... and now xine can play anything fine *except* dvd's with a52 passthru.
[04:40:00] a1fa|64: all you did?
[04:40:00] ** Tristam strings together a bunch of expletives. This damned thing installed seamlessly the last time I installed MythTV **
[04:42:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: a new install ?
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[04:43:00] NightMonkey: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/ . . . C3FVRUF1.DTL "Skip ads and satisfy viewers" – Tivo is rolling out a service for "Commercials On Demand*
[04:43:00] Tristam: Yeah, on a totally different box
[04:43:00] NightMonkey: Hilarious.
[04:43:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: Then just blow away the database and start from scratch with nothing in the mythconverg database
[04:43:00] Tristam: Totally different except for moving the tuner card.
[04:43:00] Tristam: GreyFoxx, I tried that three times already
[04:44:00] mishehu: a1fa|64:yeah, didn't change anything else on the system. it was working prior to the update
[04:44:00] mishehu: except that a52 was losing synch whenever mythtv was recording on the pvr250
[04:44:00] Tristam: I populated mythconverg with mc.sql
[04:44:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: How did you remove the tables ?
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[04:44:00] Tristam: Then run mythsetup
[04:44:00] GreyFoxx: mc.sql doesn't populate the databsae, just creates it and sets up the user
[04:44:00] Tristam: Oh
[04:45:00] GreyFoxx: the apps themselves will create the tables
[04:45:00] Tristam: mythsetup bitches about a bunch of tables not existing in the database.
[04:50:00] Tristam: I'm about ready to give up on this PoS
[04:50:00] Tristam: Pick it up tomorrow when I'm less pissed off at it.
[04:50:00] GreyFoxx: It's pretty trivial, I don't see how it can fail
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[04:52:00] Tristam: Neither do I, but it is
[04:52:00] a1fa|64: anyway
[04:52:00] a1fa|64: did anybody watch lost?
[04:52:00] Tristam: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes <---that might be the culprit
[04:52:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: Ummmm what version of MySQL ?
[04:53:00] Dagmar: NightMonkey: Tip... TiVo is dying because lawyers are sucking the life right out of it
[04:53:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Yup
[04:53:00] a1fa|64: ok
[04:53:00] a1fa|64: so wtf happened
[04:53:00] Tristam: 5.0.16
[04:53:00] a1fa|64: i misssed the last 5min of the show
[04:53:00] a1fa|64: mythtv cut off 5 minutes early
[04:53:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: And what version of myth ?
[04:53:00] Dagmar: a1fa: You might want to check your clock then
[04:53:00] a1fa|64: i am running ntpd now
[04:53:00] Tristam: 0.18.1
[04:54:00] GreyFoxx: Tristam: That will not work with mysql5.x
[04:54:00] Tristam: Heh, lovely
[04:54:00] Tristam: Stupid portage
[04:54:00] Dagmar: a1fa: Are you having a problem with clock drift or something?
[04:55:00] a1fa|64: i dunno
[04:55:00] a1fa|64: Wed Nov 30 22:55:05 CST 2005
[04:55:00] a1fa|64: i guess it is fine now
[04:55:00] Dagmar: a1fa: Then just run ntpdate out of cron once or twice a week
[04:55:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: they ran it late
[04:55:00] Dagmar: That way there's nothing that could up and decide to abruptly change the time on your machine
[04:55:00] a1fa|64: Dagmar: i am running ntpd now
[04:55:00] a1fa|64: tetrawr: they did?
[04:56:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: it ended about five minutes late
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: tetrawr: those bastards.. i misssed 5 minutes of the show
[04:56:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: fuck ABC
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: fcuk ACB!
[04:56:00] Dagmar: a1fa: Yes, and if the program weren't just aired at the wrong time, the other likely culprit is that ntpd changed the time on you during the show
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: Dagmar: i just installed ntpd
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: :P
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: tetrawr: so do you know what happened ?
[04:56:00] Tristam: Thanks for the help GreyFoxx, I'll downgrade mysql tomorrow
[04:56:00] Dagmar: a1fa: your point being?
[04:56:00] a1fa|64: Dagmar: i missed 5minutes of lost
[04:57:00] a1fa|64: i doont know what happened
[04:57:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: i'm trying to remember...
[04:57:00] a1fa|64: Michael has a mysterious encounter with a computer.
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[04:57:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: i don't watch it too much, some guy from the other side of the island brought the missing piece of the tape from the scientist
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: It was scheduled to end at 5 minutes past the hour. It wasn't "late"
[04:58:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: in the missing piece he said to not ...
[04:58:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: was it really now
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: CBS had it from 10 to 11:04pm,
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: CTV had it from 10–11pm
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: CTV just had less commericials :)
[04:59:00] a1fa|64: hm
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: Lost is regularly scheduled by CBS to go at least 1 minute past the hour
[04:59:00] a1fa|64: Lost airs only on 1 channel with me
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: 7 KATV
[05:00:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: said not to use the computer for anything except entering the code, or it could lead to another 'incident'
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: "abc"
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: yeah yeah
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: and how the computer can decieve you
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: but then michael
[05:00:00] GreyFoxx: errr sorry IO said CBS and I meant SBC
[05:00:00] GreyFoxx: ABC
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: started talking to the computer
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: he started a chat session
[05:00:00] a1fa|64: hello
[05:01:00] tetrawr: yer scrolling
[05:01:00] a1fa|64: sorry
[05:01:00] tetrawr: so why didn't myth record it all if it was scheduled
[05:01:00] GreyFoxx: his clock is drifting
[05:01:00] a1fa|64: 1 hr 4 mins
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: or it did record it all and he is just thinking it was cut off :)
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: no dude
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: it cut off
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: right in the middle of the scene
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[05:02:00] a1fa|64: when the computer said hello
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: and check this out
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[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: you missed about 60 seconds of it then
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: it is scheduled for 8–9m
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: from 8–9pm
[05:02:00] a1fa|64: 1 hr 4 mins
[05:02:00] tetrawr: not here
[05:03:00] tetrawr: 8:00 to 9:05 here
[05:03:00] Dagmar: Ya gotta love how they do that
[05:03:00] a1fa|64: this also happened yesterday
[05:03:00] tetrawr: myth would have recorded it correctly if I did
[05:03:00] a1fa|64: my girlfriend recorded sex and the city
[05:04:00] a1fa|64: and it ended like before it was done
[05:04:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: heh
[05:04:00] tetrawr: you know you can set priorities
[05:04:00] GreyFoxx: and have you verified the time on your clock ?
[05:04:00] tetrawr: i have cron restart ntp-client hourly
[05:04:00] Dagmar: a1fa: I just have mine record an extra three minutes on each end. Saves me the hassle of worrying about networks shifting time aroud
[05:05:00] tetrawr: Dagmar: i used to do that until i saw how it overlapped incorrectly when switching channels
[05:05:00] a1fa|64: Dagmar: where do you set that option?
[05:05:00] tetrawr: (i only have one tuner)
[05:05:00] a1fa|64: i got two :P
[05:06:00] tetrawr: a1fa|64: then wtf, was it scheduled to record sex and the city AND something else at 9:00?
[05:07:00] Dagmar: a1fa: Man I can't tell you where to find anything in that nightmarish collection of Setup menus. I just work my way through them iteratively until I find what I was looking for
[05:07:00] tetrawr: the clock on my myth box runs fast by about 20 seconds per hour
[05:07:00] Dagmar: holy geez
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[05:07:00] tetrawr: Dagmar: the menus suck, not enough information on each screen
[05:08:00] Dagmar: tetrawr: I'm of the impression that there's too many damn things in there to set
[05:08:00] tetrawr: Dagmar: well i'm sure it could be stuffed into half as many screens, it would make it easier to find stuff
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: Actually I agree. It's TOO configurable
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: i've seeb that in myth-setup
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: i think
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: but i cant remember now
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[05:09:00] tetrawr: the menus just suck :)
[05:09:00] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: There's a lot of stuff in there that some people would never ever touch and probably should be more of a one-time setup thing than anything else
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: Dagmar: Totally
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: no no no
[05:09:00] tetrawr: ...because there are too many screens that only have three or four options on them
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: i just remembered
[05:09:00] a1fa|64: recording profiles
[05:10:00] tetrawr: but if you spend enough time you can find what you're looking for
[05:10:00] tetrawr: you just have to go in and out of menus until you find it
[05:10:00] Dagmar: Like, how often does one change their time zone offset, really?
[05:11:00] Dagmar: I may be able to get around to looking through it all next week tho
[05:11:00] tetrawr: but i guess those gigantic menus are for those who actually use a TV instead of a computer monitor
[05:11:00] Dagmar: I have to rebuild both partition sets on my workstation
[05:11:00] tetrawr: er, old style low resolution tv
[05:12:00] Dagmar: tetrawr: yeah, I didn't like the small number of items at first either until I started testing the s-video
[05:13:00] tetrawr: i run mythfrontend on three computers, 1600x1200, 1280x1024, and 1280x800, so far
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[05:15:00] tetrawr: ciao
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[05:25:00] a1fa|64: ciao
[05:25:00] a1fa|64: :p
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[05:35:00] JoeyJoeJo: my backend thinks that my tuner is watching livetv when it's not. can I change that, or should I just reboot?
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[05:54:00] Flimzy: JoeyJoeJo: Spray it with water when it misbehaves.... it works with cats, I hear, so why not try on mythtv?
[05:54:00] Flimzy: But seriously.. the one or two times I had that happen, I think I just rebooted.
[05:54:00] Flimzy: Or at least restart myth
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[06:15:00] cwsmith: ok so anyone having problems getting xine to work with the remote ?
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[07:24:00] Tired_: Hello. I'm currently using MythTV on a dual p3–550, with 512MB ram. I need to downgrade to 256MB of ram...what parts will be affected by this?
[07:25:00] Tired_: I use a hardware encoder (pvr-150)
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[07:31:00] Tired_: also, the system has a 3x9GB raid-0 array that has my swap on it, nice fast 10k SCSI disks...i'm hoping that will offset the ram loss, since it can swap faster than most...
[07:32:00] Tired_: basically, i'm wondering, whether it's practical to try mythtv with ram that low, any opinions?
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[07:35:00] Dagmar: Tired_: Yeah, it should be fine actually
[07:35:00] Tired_: :)
[07:35:00] Dagmar: Tired_: If you turn off unused nonsense like portmap, famd, sendmail and so forth it should be fine
[07:35:00] Tired_: awesome...i wasn't looking forward to buying more rdram
[07:36:00] Dagmar: Ouch
[07:36:00] Tired_: the 512 stick is dying though
[07:36:00] Dagmar: Well, it's still not much money to buy a 256Mb stick now, but being saddled with RDRAM is kinda evil
[07:36:00] Dagmar: I didn't even spend $100 for the 1Gb of RAM I put in my new desktop
[07:37:00] Tired_: yeah, i bought the box used...i wouldn't have gotten rdram otherwise...$100 for a dual 550, even with rdram is not bad
[07:37:00] Dagmar: Hey yeah that is nice
[07:37:00] Dagmar: You realize that means you could basically replace the board and RAM for about the same price as just RDRAM, right?  :0
[07:38:00] Tired_: yeah, but i have one 256 stick on hand
[07:38:00] Dagmar: 2Ghz CPU and motherboard combined plus some ram... About the same as 512Mb of RDRAM
[07:39:00] Tired_: i use gentoo, so i shpuldn't have too much in the way of extraneous stuff
[07:39:00] Dagmar: Just a note, you do realize that Myth is more or less a single-threaded thing, right?
[07:40:00] Tired_: i use the front and backend on the same box...
[07:40:00] Dagmar: You might have transcoding stuff going on one CPU while the other one is mainly obsessed with the front end, but for hte purposes of Myth, you're basically running a 500Mhz single CPU
[07:41:00] Tired_: true, but it's what I have available.
[07:41:00] Dagmar: I'd keep that machine for at least another 4–5 years tho
[07:41:00] Tired_: lol, i was thinking more like 20 years...i'm poor
[07:41:00] Dagmar: Multiprocessor boxes make good web servers and firewalls. The multiple CPUs make them mor tolerant of sudden changes in load.  :)
[07:42:00] Tired_: hmm, that's actually not a bad idea...i just got this nifty network card with four ports...thinking about using it in a router/firewall box
[07:42:00] Tired_: never seen anything like it before
[07:43:00] Tired_: i could probably run that simultaneously with myth on that box
[07:43:00] Dagmar: You got a 4-port NIC for cheap? That is nice
[07:43:00] Tired_: it was $40, not super cheap, but it was too cool-looking to pass up
[07:44:00] Tired_: i have a weakness for weird stuff i find in the bargain bin at the computer store  ;)
[07:44:00] Dagmar: That's still a nice price for it
[07:45:00] Tired_: what do they usually go for, roughly?
[07:45:00] Tired_: it's a tulip
[07:45:00] Dagmar: Depends on where you're getting them from. When they were new, over $100 each
[07:46:00] Dagmar: Now manufacturers have seen them as more htan just a niche product, so they've gotten cheaper by dar
[07:46:00] Dagmar: s/dar/far/
[07:46:00] Tired_: cool. i just bought it since i'd never seen such a thing before...didn't really think of a use
[07:47:00] Tired_: i wonder if, down the road, what with all the new dual-core cpu's coming out, if myth will be more optimized for threads....
[07:48:00] Dagmar: I can tell you a use...
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[07:48:00] Tired_: oh?
[07:48:00] Dagmar: Small/medium router/firewall machines
[07:48:00] Dagmar: I helped a guy put two in at Comcast about 7 or so years ago
[07:48:00] Dagmar: We stuck four of those in each machine and set them up as sixteen interface network separators
[07:49:00] Tired_: yeah, that was sorta what i was thinking. it's gotta be better than this unconfigurable netgear thing I have now
[07:49:00] Dagmar: They were like $265 apiece then, doing 100base-T
[07:49:00] Tired_: plus it'll give me a chance to learn more about networking
[07:49:00] Tired_: wow!
[07:50:00] Tired_: i suppose comcast has the money for stuff like that  ;)
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[07:51:00] Tired_: now that Lost is in reruns for a while, i have time to actually set things up proper and stable.  :)
[07:53:00] Tired_: anyways, thank you for the advice.  :)
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[09:11:00] wibbit: Good morning all.
[09:11:00] wibbit: I'm trying to find out how well supported the UK is by MythTV
[09:11:00] wibbit: Regarding things like online tv guides
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[09:21:00] juski: wibbit: I use the xmltv-based tv_grab_uk_rt and find it excellent, although it can be very (Very) wordy
[09:21:00] juski: like I don't want to see the director's biography.. just tell me what the damn film is about lol
[09:22:00] juski: it's very good otherwise though – 14 days' worth of programme data for just about every channel you can possibly think of :)
[09:24:00] juski: wibbit: if you use DVB-T there's not even any need to use xmltv – mythtv can use the Freeview EPG stuff
[09:24:00] juski: so to answer your question: the UK is very well supported :)
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[09:32:00] katom: hi people ...
[09:32:00] katom: has anyone used mythextras ?
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[09:33:00] katom: it includes.. mythmail
[09:33:00] katom: and mythrecipes
[09:33:00] katom: ?
[09:33:00] Netslayer: my pvr250 doesn't stop recording when the scheduler finishes the job, and i get missed following recordings:wanted to record: ... But current state is: 4
[09:34:00] Netslayer: any ideas?
[09:35:00] ** katom watches the spiders web in the corner of the room ..... **
[09:35:00] katom: :P
[09:43:00] juski: mythextras?
[09:43:00] juski: never heard of it
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[09:44:00] bigfella: hi everyone – question
[09:45:00] juski: katom: infact I just googled for mythextras.. not one single hit
[09:46:00] juski: ahhh.. http://mythextra.napsi.net/
[09:46:00] juski: unofficial plugins eh...
[09:46:00] bigfella: i have just downloaded the latest svn 8092 and removed my old installation (i hope), recompiled and now when i run mythtv-setup it comes up with: error while loading libraries libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory any ideas??
[09:48:00] juski: bigfella.. is /usr/local/bin in $PATH ?
[09:48:00] bigfella: i dont know
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[09:48:00] bigfella: how can i check?
[09:48:00] juski: echo $PATH
[09:48:00] bigfella: ta – im new to this
[09:49:00] katom: yeah the're unofficial...
[09:49:00] katom: but still wondering if anyone has used them ...
[09:49:00] juski: katom: why wonder? just try em ;)
[09:50:00] bigfella: juski.. yep sure is
[09:50:00] katom: i've tried to compile ... they had 1.18 patches ...
[09:50:00] katom: but they won't compile
[09:50:00] juski: bigfella.. did you follow the docs when you were building from source?
[09:51:00] wibbit: juski, thanks for that, What is DVB-T Digital Video Broadcast – Television?
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[09:51:00] juski: wibbit: DVB-T = Freeview (Digital Video Broadcast – Terrestrial)
[09:52:00] jono_: heya
[09:52:00] jono_: anyone here use a PVR-350?
[09:52:00] ** katom tihnks it's more to do with certain libraries on my box compiled for 32bit rather than my needed 64bit.... so before i go around compiling the libraries... **
[09:52:00] katom: i thought i'd see if they were worth it..
[09:52:00] katom: :)
[09:52:00] juski: jono_: you not got sound coming outta your $ky box yet?
[09:52:00] jono_: juski, no – but it seems there is no audio input on the PVR-350 card, so where does the sound from my sky phono outputs go?
[09:52:00] wibbit: juski, well I was close :)
[09:53:00] juski: jono_: sure there are audio inputs on the 350 card
[09:53:00] wibbit: juski, What sort of hardware would I need to use? Regarding picking up the DVB-T signal?
[09:53:00] bigfella: juski, yea... sort of- cause i followed the guide on wilsonet, and wanted to use the svn cause ive got a DVB-T.. so i then followed the docs for the svn one
[09:53:00] jono_: juski, where? there is only an audio output
[09:53:00] wibbit: juski, I don't suppose you know any thing regarding HDTV?
[09:53:00] juski: eek! only outputs? hang on
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[09:53:00] jono_: juski, there is a single mini-jack plug
[09:53:00] juski: wibbit: the UK doesn't have HDTV yet
[09:54:00] juski: jono_: that *might* be the audio input
[09:54:00] wibbit: juski, Sky should be trialing it shortly
[09:54:00] wibbit: juski, (what ever "shortly" means0
[09:54:00] juski: wibbit: the HDTV $ky will be doing, will be for $ky hardware ONLY. not a hope of getting into mythtv
[09:54:00] jono_: juski, AFAIK thats the output
[09:54:00] jono_: juski, do you have a 350?
[09:55:00] wibbit: juski, well that sucks, but makes sence.
[09:55:00] juski: and then when the UK DOES eventually get free HDTV chances are it'll be mpeg4, even more of a nightmare to decode than mpeg2 which already requires mega hardware (compared to decoding standard telly)
[09:55:00] wibbit: juski, Do you know any thing about BullDog's intention of providing digital TV via their 24Mbit broad band service?
[09:56:00] juski: wibbit: nope
[09:56:00] juski: jono: I can confirm the pvr350 has audio inputs
[09:57:00] jono_: juski, so where is it?
[09:57:00] juski: jono_: looks like you get a multiway connector thing that plugs into the card..
[09:57:00] jono_: hmmm
[09:58:00] jono_: it says on a spec site that the 3.5mm jack is the input and there are dual RCA outputs
[09:59:00] juski: so wibbit: you know all the hoo-harr about HDTV plasmas & big tellies right now on all the adverts? It's all GUFF. "Be HD ready".. haha.. the spec isn't even final yet
[09:59:00] juski: jono_: it probably _is_ the 3.5mm jack, but make sure that's not where the remote sensore plugs in
[10:00:00] jono_: juski, no thats a smaller jack
[10:00:00] jono_: I was sure the minijack is an output for the card
[10:01:00] juski: jono_: RTFM for the card ;) that's the way to make 100% sure
[10:01:00] jono_: juski, yeah, at work at the moment – so it seems it is the input
[10:01:00] jono_: cool :)
[10:02:00] jono_: is it best if I do tv out with my radeon card or the pvr card?
[10:02:00] juski: jono_: it's pretty unlikely you'd break anything if you plug something into the wrong socket anyway
[10:02:00] juski: jono_: don't ask me about ATI shit.. I'm totally ATI-phobic
[10:03:00] juski: I'd say bin the Radeon & get a £25 Nvidia card every time
[10:03:00] juski: but that's just me3
[10:03:00] jono_: right
[10:04:00] jono_: one other quick question, my video that comes in seems a little jittery and blocky – is there anything I can do to optimise it?
[10:04:00] juski: why did you even buy the 350 if you don't intend to use its output?
[10:04:00] juski: blocky? that's just what $ky is like lol
[10:04:00] juski: seriously though – yer bitrate is probably set too low
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[10:06:00] jono_: where do I set the bitrate? in mythtv-setup?
[10:07:00] jono_: juski, I just wondered which output is best – I assume I can choose either
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[10:14:00] juski: jono_: should be under recording profiles in the frontend
[10:14:00] jono_: juski, so wha does the bitrate affect?
[10:15:00] juski: jono_: bitrate affects file size & video quality. it's a tradeoff between good pictures & small files
[10:15:00] jono_: juski, with the PVR-350 I assume I can get maximum quality
[10:16:00] juski: set it as low as you can get away with
[10:16:00] jono_: the output from sky going to my tv and the output going to the mythtv box are different y'see, I want to get them aligned better
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[10:16:00] juski: there'll be a point where you stop noticing an increase in quality
[10:16:00] jono_: the quality going direct to tv is crisp, the output to the myth box is a bit blocky and jumpy
[10:16:00] jono_: ahhhh cool, so I can improve it a lot more then
[10:16:00] juski: _maybe_
[10:17:00] jono_: I haven noticed that if a camera pans, the myth video seems to go blurry – can I fix that?
[10:17:00] jono_: or is that a bitrate thing?
[10:17:00] juski: blurry? you need to deinterlace then
[10:17:00] juski: use bob deinterlacing
[10:18:00] juski: not so much blurry actually, but you see comb-like lines on moving things
[10:18:00] jono_: thats right
[10:18:00] juski: yeh you need to deinterlace
[10:18:00] jono_: bob deinterlacing?
[10:18:00] jono_: it just doesnt look as crisp when the camera pans
[10:18:00] wibbit: juski, I thought that HDTV had been out and about in the US for quite some time now?
[10:19:00] juski: utilities/setup > setup > tv playback
[10:19:00] juski: wibbit: I meant HDTV hasn't been defined hard & fast in the UK yet
[10:19:00] wibbit: UGH!
[10:19:00] wibbit: juski, So we are not going to just go with an already defined standard?
[10:19:00] juski: nobody knows what form it's gonna be for sure.. whether it'll be mpeg2 or mpeg4, 1080i/720p or what
[10:20:00] wibbit: juski, I hope there is a good reason for it
[10:20:00] wibbit: juski, Do you have any recomendations for video capture cards that would work MythTV?
[10:20:00] juski: looking at how long it's taken digital to take hold, I hate to think how long it'd take HD to
[10:20:00] jono_: juski, thanks for that
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[10:21:00] juski: wibbit: depends what you're after. for analogue video, go for hauppauge PVR cards.. for freeview, you have loads of choice
[10:21:00] wibbit: Are there any that do both?
[10:22:00] juski: none currently supported by Linux
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[10:22:00] jono_: juski, any other tips for improving picture quality and stop motion blur?
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[10:23:00] juski: there's a new Hauppauge card which does hardware encoding _and_ DVB-T, but I've no idea if it'll work in Linux yet
[10:23:00] juski: jono_: you shouldn't have any motion blur now
[10:24:00] jono_: right – I am at work, so not tested it yet
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[10:24:00] juski: jono_: vnc ;)
[10:24:00] wibbit: juski, well it will be a while before I get to build any PVR system, I've just moved in and want my finances to settle before I start splashing out (want a new desktop PC as well)
[10:25:00] juski: wibbit: ahh right. I'm glad I bought my house when I did :)
[10:25:00] jono_: juski, hah, I wish pal :)
[10:25:00] jono_: juski, you are UK based right?
[10:25:00] juski: yep.. 'sunny' manchestorr
[10:25:00] jono_: juski, are you a mythtv dev?
[10:25:00] juski: lol
[10:26:00] juski: I did a teeny weent ickle patch a few months ago
[10:26:00] juski: and recently I've been working on a theme, but I'm no developer
[10:26:00] jono_: juski, do you fancy coming to LUGRadio Live to run a mythtv exhibition stand?
[10:26:00] juski: hmmm
[10:26:00] jono_: we are looking for exhibitors – I am sure you could get other uk myth people involved
[10:27:00] jono_: maybe run a live machine on the stand
[10:27:00] juski: probably worth considering though
[10:28:00] juski: not sure I'd be the man for the job in all honesty. I can write down what I know about linux on a sheet of A4
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[10:28:00] juski: brb
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[10:35:00] wibbit: juski, *shudder* I wish I had bought when my sister did (about 10 years ago)
[10:35:00] juski: wibbit: yeh you can always think like that... like "I wish I hadn't pissed all my disposable income against the wall when I still lived with my parents" etc
[10:36:00] wibbit: juski, Ahhh, but I hadn't done that :o)
[10:36:00] wibbit: little mini woot
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[10:41:00] juski: jono_: I'll see what I can do re making an appearance.. don't think I've got owt in my diary for next year yet ;)
[10:52:00] jono_: juski, wicked, see www.lugradio.org/live for more
[10:54:00] juski: jono_: just checked it out. been thinking about popping along to a local user group lately anyway – could have all kinds of benefits (not least of which expanding my knowledge all all things 'nux)
[10:55:00] jono_: juski, yeah, well LUGRadio Live is a really nice and loose show – really community focussed
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[11:08:00] juski: I used to have a radio show.. went out on the internet & on cable in Hull
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[11:19:00] rsdvd_: Hi.....is there any lirc gurus in today? I am having difficulty setting up lirc for my homebrew serial reciever
[11:20:00] juski: hi rsdvd_
[11:20:00] rsdvd_: hi Juski
[11:20:00] juski: irrecord is your friend ;)
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[11:21:00] rsdvd_: I am still fighting with this reciver.......irrecord seems to work fine......but even with valid lircd.conf and lircrc files it don't work elsewhere
[11:21:00] juski: how do you mean, rsdvd_?
[11:22:00] juski: do irrecord, save the lircd.conf in /etc. start the lircd daemon, then test it with irw
[11:22:00] rsdvd_: if i use irrecord.serial....when I press buttons I am getting the dots....so I assume that the circuit is working. But irw and Myth do not seem to recognise the remote ( I press buttons and nothing happens)
[11:23:00] rsdvd_: I have what I think is a valid lircd.conf from minimyth.....but irw.serial don;t see the keypresses
[11:24:00] juski: rsdvd_: did you put the lircd.conf in the 'conf' directory?
[11:24:00] rsdvd_: when you set the settings in minimyth.conf (from your version) it generats it's own lircd.conf form the lirc.d directory
[11:25:00] juski: no it doesn;t
[11:25:00] juski: it only does that if you specify an already-defined remote
[11:25:00] rsdvd_: yes....it has created a lircd.conf in /etc for the hauppage_R808
[11:26:00] rsdvd_: I have a normal Hauppague remote control
[11:26:00] juski: you'd probably be better recording it from scratch, then copy the recorded lircd.conf into the conf directory
[11:26:00] juski: then call it something of your own choosing
[11:26:00] rsdvd_: ok.....I find irrecord very difficult to use
[11:27:00] juski: eh? it's dead easy!
[11:27:00] juski: run irrecord, press return & follow the instructions :)
[11:27:00] rsdvd_: it times out everytime I use it......dont touch anything for 10 secs and it shuts down
[11:27:00] juski: yeh it'll do that
[11:28:00] juski: no good if it recorded 10 second pauses in a remote config file ;)
[11:28:00] rsdvd_: seeing as I have to do everything via VNC then 10 secs is very short
[11:28:00] juski: you got lirc serial working in notmyth though didn't you?
[11:29:00] rsdvd_: yes.....using the hauppague lircd.conf I was trying to use here....the remote worked fine with this serial reciver......just not under minimyth
[11:29:00] juski: rsdvd_: copy that lircd.conf to the conf folder where your minimyth files live
[11:30:00] Hoxzer: do you guys think I have no chance to get my knoppmyth box working and I should try mythdora?
[11:30:00] juski: then adjust the minimyth.conf file
[11:30:00] rsdvd_: I tried that.....it tftp'd the finle fine....jsut diodn;t work either
[11:30:00] Hoxzer: I should have to edit mysql database and xmtlv_id table there
[11:31:00] juski: Hoxzer: did you ever wipe that dodgy install off & download a knoppmyth that wasn't built from mythtv's SVN?
[11:31:00] Hoxzer: Juski: nope
[11:31:00] Hoxzer: should I try it?
[11:31:00] juski: most definitely YES!
[11:31:00] Hoxzer: download older version :D
[11:31:00] Hoxzer: ?
[11:32:00] juski: that knoppmyth you were (and still are?) using is BAD
[11:32:00] Hoxzer: ok
[11:32:00] Hoxzer: juski: lets think about this
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[11:32:00] Hoxzer: I had to to install new kernel before I got my TVcard working in this install
[11:33:00] Hoxzer: and I still have .deb of the kernel
[11:33:00] juski: no – I remember the whole thing from 2 weeks ago. Someone asked you which version of knoppmyth you were using and it turned out that it was built from SVN where many things were broken
[11:33:00] Hoxzer: when I have installed older version can I just install the .deb or do I need to compile and do everything agaiN
[11:33:00] juski: download the newer version – it's a proper version _now_
[11:34:00] Hoxzer: Juski: yep, but I'm afraid that I can't get my TVcard working on my own
[11:34:00] Hoxzer: thats why I didn't do it
[11:34:00] juski: all I meant was take that PoS version off ;)
[11:35:00] juski: Hoxzer: in the version of knoppmyth you have, your TV card works... but dvb support in the version of mythtv it uses is broken
[11:35:00] Hoxzer: ok..
[11:35:00] Hoxzer: but my card works with xine
[11:35:00] juski: the latest knoppmyth _should_ be fine
[11:36:00] juski: and it uses a _proper_ mythtv release
[11:36:00] juski: if you come here asking for advice, which people then give you – but then you ignore the advice what more can we do? ;)
[11:36:00] Dagmar: 5a22 has been replaced now?
[11:37:00] juski: Dagmar: the message about it being borked has gone, so I assume so
[11:37:00] Dagmar: Hmm... lemme look
[11:37:00] Dagmar: Ah yes.... r5a26 is up
[11:38:00] Dagmar: That's good. It would be hard to do worse than 5a22 was.  :/
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[11:40:00] juski: oh he's back
[11:40:00] Hoxzer: juski: what is the latest?
[11:40:00] juski: Hoxzert: r5a26, like Dagmar just said
[11:40:00] Orfeous: juski: who?
[11:40:00] Dagmar: Me
[11:40:00] Dagmar: I just Googled it up to see
[11:41:00] Dagmar: Magic Western Secret: Just type "Knoppmyth" in the URL bar of Firefox.
[11:41:00] juski: you're back Orfeous
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[11:41:00] Orfeous: juski: yes i am.. i can go if you want
[11:42:00] juski: well you ain't gonna be wasting any more of my time, so stay as long as you like
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[12:05:00] jono: juski, so, can you have a chat with some UK myth people to see about running a stand at lugradio live?
[12:06:00] juski: I dunno who's in the UK & who isn't
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[12:07:00] juski: apart from a select few
[12:07:00] juski: I'll ask around though
[12:08:00] juski: might be worth looking on the UK MUG wiki page
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[12:09:00] jono: juski, cool, if you could have with this, that would be cool – you know more myth folks than I do :)
[12:10:00] juski: http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UK_20MUG
[12:13:00] jono: :)
[12:15:00] rjune: ask Chutt
[12:15:00] rjune: you doing an article on myth jono?
[12:16:00] juski: I've got a spare box I can bring along too.. currently only a crappy athlon but by then I'm sure to have upgraded it
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[12:20:00] juski: getting an aerial feed to it could be tricky though
[12:20:00] juski: plenty time to plan for that
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[12:21:00] jono: rjune, I will when my box is finished
[12:21:00] jono: juski, yeah
[12:21:00] rjune: cool, whatcha using?
[12:21:00] jono: maybe LUGRadio Live could be a big UK-MUG meetup?
[12:22:00] jono: rjune, sathlon 64, silverstone case, pvr-350
[12:22:00] rjune: wow
[12:22:00] jono: s/sathlon/athlon
[12:22:00] rjune: that's way better then what I'm using
[12:22:00] juski: which silverstone case? not an LC02 I hope
[12:22:00] jono: just need to figure out a few final flaws
[12:22:00] jono: juski, no a LC-14M
[12:22:00] rjune: anything I can help with? I have everything but tivo functionality working
[12:23:00] juski: LC02 is crap for anything except probably mobile CPUs & itx boards
[12:23:00] jono: rjune, thanks, I may take you up on that – I have everything but tv out and tv sound working – the tv sound seems to be solvable with a new cable, but tv out I have not looked into yet
[12:23:00] jono: rjune, are you in the uk?
[12:23:00] juski: you'll never get tivo functionality – it's mythtv;-)
[12:24:00] rjune: no, .us
[12:25:00] juski: jono: did you see the videos from the big open source conference in London? BBC R&D were there demoing some new stuff they've been working on.. like a 7 day all-channel PVR
[12:25:00] rjune: jono: though I am a subscriber to LF, hence I knew who you were
[12:27:00] jono: juski, I was there :)
[12:27:00] jono: rjune, oh cool, cheers :)
[12:28:00] jono: rjune, I am gonna mail LXF to see if they want a series on it :)
[12:28:00] jono: brb, lunch
[12:28:00] rjune: :-) well, that and we've talked before. LTSP I think. or maybe it was tux4kids
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[12:34:00] juski: mmmm chilli :)
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[12:51:00] juski: here we go: Telewest in the UK is the first to trial HDTV to 400 users (! as many as that?!)
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[12:55:00] rjune: I thought the uk only had about 1000 people, so that's what, half the population?
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[12:58:00] juski: rjune: LOL
[12:59:00] juski: so the first HDTV in this country is a totally closed system.. oh dear God
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[13:05:00] juski: looks like it'll do 'multi-room' properly thought – i.e. you can have another box in a different room & play back content from the PVR box. wonder where they got that idea from
[13:05:00] rjune: Hmmmm dunno
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[13:15:00] juski: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticl . . . ID=173402762 capture THAT!
[13:17:00] juski: 7680 x 4320 resolution.. only 24Gb/sec too
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[13:18:00] t00m: gday
[13:19:00] laga: hi t00m
[13:19:00] t00m: did anyone experience missing audio in a recording?
[13:19:00] t00m: i had it 2 times now
[13:20:00] laga: t00m: dvb?
[13:20:00] t00m: just in the middle of the show audio drops away
[13:20:00] t00m: yes dvb
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[13:20:00] jono: juski, is there a uk mug mailing list?
[13:20:00] laga: t00m: did you try hitting "+"?
[13:20:00] t00m: you mean, +volume?
[13:21:00] laga: t00m: no, the "+" key on your keyboard.
[13:21:00] t00m: what does that do?
[13:21:00] laga: t00m: switches the audio channel
[13:22:00] t00m: ah, you mean accidently?
[13:22:00] t00m: anyway, i'll try
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[13:23:00] t00m: wtf
[13:24:00] t00m: it changes from audio1 to audio2 in the middle of the show
[13:24:00] t00m: how stupid is that?
[13:24:00] laga: t00m: ;)
[13:25:00] juski: jono: no Uk mailing list AFAIK
[13:25:00] jono: ahhh ok
[13:25:00] t00m: ok, it doesn't change
[13:25:00] t00m: audio2 is there the whole time, 1 just drops away
[13:25:00] t00m: still stupid
[13:25:00] t00m: could that be a cpu performance problem?
[13:25:00] laga: hehe. are you running SVN?
[13:25:00] t00m: or crappy reception
[13:25:00] laga: t00m: no, it don't think so.
[13:26:00] juski: t00m: is your capture card set to use TS or PS recording?
[13:26:00] t00m: PS? TS?
[13:26:00] laga: i*
[13:26:00] t00m: ehh?
[13:27:00] juski: and toom: it helps to enable 'hardware decoding' on your DVB card.. sounds silly but mythtv will treat it slightly differently if you do that and as if by some miracle the audio will be fine on future recordings
[13:27:00] t00m: i think i did that
[13:27:00] t00m: but i'll check
[13:27:00] t00m: is that in the setup or in the settings?
[13:27:00] juski: toom: in mythtv-setup there should be (in 0.18) a checkbox in the 'advanced' tab for your capture card
[13:27:00] t00m: yup, i remember
[13:27:00] juski: or you can just put it into the DB direct
[13:28:00] t00m: ah, where
[13:28:00] juski: worked for me
[13:28:00] juski: just do it in the setup page
[13:28:00] t00m: can't go to setup, cause it's showing sth
[13:29:00] juski: sth?
[13:29:00] juski: hang on I'll look in the DB for yer
[13:29:00] t00m: i guesss it's in settings
[13:29:00] laga: sth = something
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[13:30:00] juski: the capturecard table...
[13:30:00] juski: dvb_recordts
[13:31:00] juski: and dvb_hw_decoder
[13:31:00] juski: there you go :)
[13:31:00] juski: prolly need to restart mythbackend for changes to take effect
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[13:32:00] t00m: hm, seems i didn't do it
[13:32:00] t00m: | dvb_recordts | dvb_hw_decoder |
[13:32:00] t00m: +--------------+----------------+
[13:32:00] t00m: | 0 | 0 |
[13:32:00] t00m: can i update that or does myth go crazy?
[13:32:00] juski: it _should_ fix it. I've never seen an explanation as to why it works either
[13:33:00] t00m: should ts=1 as well?
[13:33:00] juski: stop mythbackend, then update the columns
[13:33:00] juski: ts=1 by default in SVN
[13:33:00] t00m: right, gonna watch the end of the show and then do it
[13:33:00] t00m: thx
[13:33:00] juski: it's never harmed mine, and now I no longer get BBC1's audio description channel messing things up
[13:34:00] t00m: how do i jump to the position i saved?
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[13:35:00] juski: t00m: I thought it always did
[13:35:00] t00m: while playing
[13:35:00] juski: just quit out of the playback, then go back in & mine takes off where I quit
[13:35:00] t00m: i press 'play' and then it sais: position saved
[13:36:00] t00m: or sth
[13:36:00] juski: yeh
[13:36:00] t00m: and continues playing
[13:36:00] t00m: now, how do jump back to that position without stopping and restarting?
[13:36:00] juski: I don't know
[13:36:00] t00m: ok, i'll stop :)
[13:36:00] juski: I didn't even know you can plylist recorded shows til the other day
[13:37:00] laga: t00m: i believe that it deletes the bookmark
[13:38:00] juski: laga: cheers for the tips last night.. juust about got it working
[13:39:00] laga: juski: no problem ;)
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[14:02:00] t00m: damnit
[14:02:00] t00m: recording stopped 1 minute before the show stopped
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[14:03:00] t00m: i hated it on my old vcr and i still do :)
[14:03:00] laga: t00m: you can make mythtv start/end the recording sooner/later
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[14:04:00] laga: duno how it's called in the english version, though
[14:04:00] t00m: i know
[14:04:00] laga: oh, ok
[14:04:00] t00m: but usually it should be ok cause they puts ads around the shows
[14:04:00] laga: not always :)
[14:04:00] t00m: looks like you're right
[14:05:00] Xenna: t00m: had the same thing last week
[14:05:00] Xenna: had to ask a colleague how the film ended
[14:05:00] Xenna: :(
[14:05:00] laga: hehe
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[14:06:00] Xenna: Is that the RecordOverTime field in the database?
[14:07:00] Xenna: I just changed it to 15
[14:07:00] Xenna: so I shan't forget
[14:07:00] t00m: does that change the default?
[14:08:00] Xenna: I think so
[14:08:00] Xenna: there's a setting in the setup
[14:08:00] t00m: which tables is that?
[14:08:00] Xenna: settings
[14:09:00] t00m: right
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[14:10:00] Xenna: I hope it's 15 minutes and not seconds
[14:10:00] t00m: hehe
[14:10:00] t00m: i set it to 5. see what the web thingy says
[14:10:00] Xenna: and that it's not domething totally different
[14:11:00] t00m: hm, empty field
[14:12:00] t00m: well, at least it accepted the autocomflag=0
[14:12:00] Xenna: No it's correct, see this page: http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/doc/glob . . . -source.html
[14:12:00] jono: there seems to be a few seconds of delay when changing channels on my box and the picture freezes – why is this?
[14:12:00] t00m: :)
[14:13:00] Xenna: Time to record past end of show (in seconds)
[14:13:00] Xenna: It is in seconds though
[14:13:00] t00m: cause the buffer has to fill, jono
[14:13:00] Xenna: update settings set data=900 where value='RecordOverTime';
[14:13:00] t00m: (i guess it's buffering)
[14:14:00] t00m: well, i'll do it with 300
[14:14:00] Xenna: you must live in a better country than me
[14:14:00] t00m: australia
[14:14:00] Xenna: you should be able to set it per channel
[14:14:00] t00m: :>
[14:14:00] Xenna: The Belgian channels are notoriously unreliable
[14:16:00] Xenna: 900 seconds should suffice in 90% of all cases
[14:16:00] Xenna: (i hope)
[14:17:00] rjune: what dose that say about belgians?
[14:18:00] Xenna: Perhaps they're in a different time zone and I never noticed ;)
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[14:20:00] bush_wack: Hello room I have a question about accessing composite and svideo using mythtv
[14:21:00] t00m: how does that look to turn a .nuv into an avi
[14:21:00] t00m: mencoder -oac copy -ovc xvid -vf crop=530:0,scale=720:576 -xvidencopts pass=1:bitrate=800 -o temp.avi $1;
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[14:21:00] Xenna: how does the rsesult look?
[14:21:00] t00m: audio is going to be merged in later with ogmmerge
[14:21:00] t00m: bit pixelish sometimes
[14:22:00] t00m: guess 800kbit isn't very much :)
[14:22:00] Xenna: bush: what tv card do you have
[14:22:00] juski: t00m: when wimbledon overran by 2.5 hours this summer, my 'Live8' recordings were screwed up
[14:22:00] laga: t00m: try nuvexport
[14:22:00] t00m: nuvexport has too many dependencies
[14:23:00] t00m: whats wrong with mencoder?
[14:23:00] bush_wack: I have 2 cards, a hauppauge pvr150 and the plextor convertx m402u
[14:23:00] jono: t00m, how do I fix that?
[14:23:00] Xenna: use ivtvctl for th ehauppauge
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[14:23:00] juski: babies have dependencies too – nothing stops people having them though
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[14:23:00] jono_: heya
[14:23:00] jono_: t00m, how do I fix thjis buffer problem?
[14:23:00] t00m: dunno
[14:24:00] bush_wack: on the hauppauge card I can access the television just fine (works great) but I have never been able to setup the composite or svideo to work
[14:24:00] t00m: juski: i don't have one ;)
[14:24:00] Xenna: ivtvctl -n lists inputs ivtvctl -N sets the one you want
[14:24:00] juski: jono_: maybe try myth from SVN.. livetv has been reworked to minimise channel change delays n stuff
[14:24:00] jono_: oh cool
[14:24:00] juski: I don't know how fast it is (I soon will though) – not that I even use livetv
[14:25:00] bush_wack: I recently added the plextor, based on a large part because mythtv added support for it
[14:25:00] Xenna: sorry: -p sets the input
[14:25:00] Xenna: I got an extra PVR500
[14:25:00] juski: doesn't mythtv already support the svid & composite inputs on PVR cards?
[14:26:00] Xenna: but big problems getting the PVR350 & 500 to work together
[14:26:00] bush_wack: the plextor m402u has no tuner. mythtv recognizes the card and assigns a composite and svideo to it but I am stuck with the same problem as in the hauppauge card, how do you access composite or svideo?
[14:26:00] Xenna: juski: I think so, you're right I was talking on the wrong level
[14:26:00] Xenna: ivtv instead of myth
[14:27:00] juski: why do so many people ask ivtv questions in here rather than in the ivtv channel?
[14:28:00] juski: not having a dig.. just curious
[14:28:00] rjune: jono_: so what was lunch?
[14:29:00] Xenna: Didn't take it that way. I just never tried it in myth, but I tried it with the ivtv utilities, that worked
[14:29:00] bush_wack: xenna were you recommending that I use ivtv – there are a couple of converstions going on here
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[14:29:00] jono_: rjune, subway mmmm :)
[14:30:00] rjune: subway?
[14:30:00] Xenna: try both and use what works best
[14:30:00] rjune: that have those over there?
[14:30:00] rjune: s/that/they/
[14:30:00] juski: rjune: yep
[14:30:00] rjune: I'm gonna have cracker barrell in a bit
[14:31:00] juski: better than kebabs :P
[14:31:00] juski: doner kebabs I mean (ugh)
[14:31:00] rjune: you try the chicken parmesean yet? that's pretty tasty
[14:31:00] juski: the smell of parmesan puts me off eating it
[14:32:00] rjune: LOL it's good stuff
[14:32:00] rjune: it's a hard cheese, so the smell isn't that bad
[14:32:00] rjune: bleu has a nasty smell
[14:33:00] juski: isn't that bad? the smell of the bottle bins outside the club where I used to DJ wasn't 'that bad' either
[14:33:00] juski: but I'm a Brit – what would I ever know about food? ;)
[14:34:00] juski: quite partial to a carpaccio de beouf though :)
[14:34:00] bush_wack: Does anyone in here know if mythtv can access either the composite or svideo ports of a capture card?
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[14:34:00] rjune: juski: indeed
[14:34:00] Hoxzer: ok, now I have latest version of knoppmhyth
[14:35:00] Hoxzer: right now configuring video source
[14:35:00] Hoxzer: lets see if it works like it is supose to work
[14:35:00] rjune: y'all eat 'spotted dick', you can't be right in the head
[14:35:00] laga: bush_wack: mythtv can do that
[14:35:00] Hoxzer: at least scan went whitout any problems
[14:35:00] bush_wack: How?
[14:35:00] laga: bush_wack: you can select it in the capture card setup
[14:35:00] juski: Hoxzer: see ;)
[14:36:00] juski: rjune: y'all make too many generalisations about other cultures
[14:37:00] rjune: LOL
[14:37:00] bush_wack: Ok, I am in capture card setup. I have never been able to figure this one out. What do i do next?
[14:37:00] rjune: juski: you're the one that said it, not me
[14:37:00] laga: bush_wack: for my pvr 250, i just select the default input.
[14:37:00] juski: I'm sure that not every US citizen is a Bush loving gun-toting Christian fundamentalist ;)
[14:38:00] juski: (at least I _hope_ not!)
[14:38:00] juski: rjune: I was being sarcastic.. but it's not a thing that comes across well in ascii
[14:38:00] bush_wack: I have composite selected but I get nothing but a blank screen on startup of livetv
[14:38:00] laga: bush_wack: and you can also choose something under "input connections" in the setup, i believe
[14:39:00] rjune: well, I'm gun-toting, but bush and kerry are both idiots
[14:40:00] ** juski ducks for cover **
[14:40:00] rjune: I'm a good shot too
[14:40:00] ** GreyFoxx is a non us, non bush loving, non gun toting, non christian non fundamentalist! woo **
[14:40:00] Hoxzer: !!! it works ;O
[14:40:00] rjune: I'm the best kind of Catholic, non-practicing
[14:41:00] Hoxzer: :D you guys should have forced me to do this before
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: You finally get your stuff working ?
[14:41:00] rjune: brb
[14:41:00] Hoxzer: :D yeh
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: Cool
[14:41:00] bush_wack: This is where i get stuck, under input connections I have my cable assigned as the video source for my television but what do I assign as the video source for composite and svideo? right now it is set to none.
[14:41:00] Xenna: I prefer the non-believing type
[14:41:00] laga: GreyFoxx: wow, spiffy. you sound pretty normal. ;)
[14:41:00] juski: Hoxzer: it's worth trusting me every once in a while ;)
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[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I certainly hope not :)
[14:42:00] laga: GreyFoxx: depends on the POV ;)
[14:43:00] Hoxzer: yeah, now lets see how crap tv out my mx400 has
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[14:45:00] poop: I was happy enough with my 5200FX s-video, but the latest drivers suck.
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[14:45:00] ** GreyFoxx loves his GF MX440's **
[14:46:00] Hoxzer: what would be good way to start configuring TV-out for nvidia, IVTV?
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: Ugh, my uncle wants me to setup a myth box for him to recording from a dishnet receiver, BUT he has no internet so it can't get listings from zap2it
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: Hoxzer: uhh no
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: ivtv is the driver for the pvr series of cards
[14:47:00] Hoxzer: :D oh forgot
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: you need to edit your X config
[14:47:00] Hoxzer: what was that software I meant
[14:47:00] Hoxzer: xorg.conf ->
[14:47:00] Hoxzer: at least in later version it didn't work with me
[14:47:00] laga: Hoxzer: there's an example config file in /etc/X11/
[14:47:00] bush_wack: GreyFoxx can you give me a little more advice on the plextor?
[14:47:00] Hoxzer: but I can try
[14:47:00] laga: afk.
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: bush_wack: Nope, never used one
[14:48:00] bush_wack: How about accessing composite or svideo on a hauppauge
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: outside of myth? just use the ivtvctl command
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[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: ivtvctl -p inputnumber
[14:48:00] Hoxzer: laga: what is its name?
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[14:49:00] Hoxzer: oh I see it
[14:49:00] bfree: bush_wack: in the mythtv setup I think you can setup the seperate inputs (e.g. tuner, svideo, composite)
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[14:50:00] t00m: how do i scale hdtv?
[14:50:00] bush_wack: can it be done in mythtv
[14:50:00] t00m: i tried -vf scale=960:786 but that looks a bit weird
[14:50:00] t00m: while encoding to avi
[14:50:00] GreyFoxx: bush_wack: You can configure myth to use the other inputs yes
[14:51:00] poop: t00m: Did you set the target resolution in your recording profile?
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[14:51:00] bush_wack: what do you use for the video source or do you leave it set to none
[14:51:00] t00m: poop: not using myth. maybe i should have a look at it
[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: bush_wack: What are you connecting to it ?
[14:51:00] bush_wack: A camcorder
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: Just to warn you myth is not designed or intended to be used as a "dumb vcr" . Which I think I told you the other day
[14:52:00] bush_wack: but mythtv will allow only televsion sources to be selected under video sources
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: You would need to setup a dummy video source, and possibly a dummy channel for it
[14:53:00] poop: bush: It doesn't matter if it can actually tune it ...
[14:53:00] bush_wack: I know but it the only app that will even access the wis go7007 chip
[14:53:00] poop: deja vu
[14:53:00] poop: bush: go7007 isn't v4l?
[14:54:00] bush_wack: setting up the dummy video source is my problem and the go7007 is v4l2 and sends a compressed stream
[14:54:00] bush_wack: over usb
[14:54:00] ** juski gets busy building a DoM **
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[14:55:00] poop: bush: If it's v4l you could use something like mencoder to capture from it.
[14:55:00] bush_wack: no apps out there at the moment will work with it at the moment which is why I am trying to get mythtv to do something it wasn't designed for'
[14:55:00] bush_wack: will mencoder support v4l2?
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[14:56:00] poop: bush: That I'm not sure about, but something else will for sure if it doesn't
[14:56:00] bush_wack: well, thanks
[14:56:00] poop: bush: v4l* is the API, so if a driver conforms, any program that uses the API will probably work
[14:57:00] juski: bush_wack: there might even be a test application supplied with the original driver source code
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[14:57:00] bush_wack: yes it is gorecord but the program doesn't keep video/audio in sync after about 10 minutes (on purpose I think)
[14:58:00] bush_wack: otherwise gorecord does a great job and the wis chip is excellent
[14:58:00] bush_wack: sort of frustrating
[14:59:00] bush_wack: seeing how I could just boot up on my xp side of the machine and use the device – but I am very stubborn about not doing that sort of thing.
[15:00:00] juski: if it's v4l can you not just cat the device into a file?
[15:00:00] juski: once it's been configured of course
[15:01:00] rjune: rjune: gentoo is for ricers http://funroll-loops.org/
[15:01:00] juski: not that again, rjune
[15:01:00] rjune: I needed the URL
[15:02:00] Xenna: I love that how you can use the simplest Unix utility to record tv programs :)
[15:02:00] Xenna: if you use tac instead do you get the program backward?
[15:03:00] juski: I prefer this one: http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/moregeeky.pdf
[15:04:00] juski: this is also quite thought-provoking: http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/last.pdf
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[15:04:00] nuxil: hello people
[15:04:00] nuxil: i need heelp
[15:04:00] juski: try the Samaritans
[15:05:00] nuxil: http://pastebin.com/444923
[15:05:00] nuxil: i cant start up mythtv
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[15:06:00] nuxil: msql is running
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[15:09:00] nuxil: anyone
[15:09:00] nuxil: can you help me
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[15:13:00] techer: hey everyone i'd like to stream my recordings to a windows machine running windows media player. i have mythweb installed already. do you know if the mythstream package will do this for me? any challenges?
[15:15:00] juski: nuxil: apart from checking mysql is running what else have you tried?
[15:17:00] juski: techer: if the recordings are mpeg2 you'll have more luck with vlc media player
[15:18:00] techer: juski: yup they are
[15:19:00] juski: and yes mythstreamtv will do what you want, but that's all I know about it. note mythstreamtv, not mythstream
[15:19:00] techer: ahhh ok thanks
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[15:20:00] techer: nice naming convention
[15:20:00] juski: blame the plugin writers (both unofficial btw)
[15:20:00] techer: yup
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[15:21:00] techer: thanks for the help
[15:21:00] nuxil: does mythtv allows me to record?
[15:22:00] sphing: nuxil: did you read the topic?
[15:22:00] sphing: Engage brain _before_ asking question
[15:23:00] juski: nuxil: what use would a PVR be that doesn't record?
[15:23:00] nuxil: sphing my brain is in reverse
[15:23:00] sphing: its clearly in neutral
[15:24:00] sphing: its pvr software.... of course it records
[15:24:00] nuxil: juski well i dont know.. all i know is that i need some app that can record from composite1 on my tvcard
[15:24:00] nuxil: i wanna make a dvd from the move i have on my camera
[15:25:00] nuxil: when i use tvtime and select composite1 i can wach the stuff on camera.. but not record it
[15:26:00] sphing: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html#recording
[15:26:00] sphing: i think its because the software doesn't offer recording?
[15:27:00] sphing: nuxil: mythtv is pvr software its meant to record from a cable stream, it can record from a camera, but theres better ways to record.... like cat /dev/video0 >> /tmp/abc123.mpg
[15:29:00] nuxil: cat /dev/video0 >> /tmp/abc123.mpg does not sound like a good way
[15:29:00] sphing: why not?
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[15:29:00] sphing: you're just recording what comes off your camera right...
[15:29:00] juski: nuxil: if you're only doing it once in a while, where's the harm?
[15:30:00] nuxil: yes,,, but how im i sure that its video0?
[15:30:00] nuxil: is that fro composite1?
[15:30:00] nuxil: *for
[15:30:00] juski: mythtv is _program based_, so that's why you can't just use it like a dumb vcr
[15:30:00] sphing: goodness... it was an example.. you change it to whatever you want
[15:30:00] juski: or whatever it *needs* to be
[15:31:00] nuxil: juski thats my probelm.. i dont know
[15:31:00] sphing: nuxil: thats the first time we hear about _that_ problem
[15:31:00] juski: nuxil: is it the first and only video input device on your system?
[15:31:00] juski: if so, then chances are it's video0
[15:32:00] sphing: nuxil: ls /dev/video*
[15:32:00] sphing: run a cat on each one, while playing something... until you find good video
[15:32:00] sphing: then you know which one
[15:33:00] nuxil: cat: /dev/video0: Input/output error
[15:33:00] nuxil: i only got video0 tho
[15:34:00] nuxil: erm
[15:38:00] sphing: nuxil: refer to topic....
[15:39:00] nuxil: yea and?
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[15:46:00] bfree: typical ... I get recording from composite working here on the plextor and bush_wack is gone :-(
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[15:53:00] juski: ahh well.. time to quit :)
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[16:09:00] mishehu: anybody know what is the difference between h263 and mpeg2 quantization methods for encoding video files?
[16:09:00] mishehu: I'm not sure which one is better for divx.
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[16:12:00] poop: h263 is newer (so probably better)
[16:12:00] poop: mpeg2 might be more "compatible" though
[16:12:00] ** poop speculates **
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[16:24:00] quantm__: is there any plan to add video streaming from the web interface
[16:25:00] Krazylegz: Can't you stream TV via MythStreamTV?
[16:25:00] quantm__: not sure, don't have mythstream
[16:26:00] jono_: anyone here use a pvr-350?
[16:26:00] quantm__: i use a 250
[16:26:00] sphing: quantm__: yes you can...
[16:26:00] jono_: quantm__, does the 250 have a special lead for the output so you can output s-video and phonos for the audio ?
[16:26:00] sphing: MythStreamTV i believe integrates with mythweb
[16:26:00] quantm__: sphing, : cool, is mythstream part of the std distribution
[16:26:00] sphing: jono_: 250 doesnt do output
[16:26:00] Krazylegz: I confuse mythstream with mythstreamtv.
[16:26:00] sphing: quantm__: no...
[16:27:00] quantm__: jono_, : 250 doesn't have video out fo TV, only 350 I think, I have to use a seporate video card
[16:27:00] quantm__: sphing, : I am running FC3 will I have to compile from source or is there a rpm do you know
[16:28:00] sphing: i have no idea... i have never used any fc
[16:28:00] quantm__: how about for your distribution
[16:28:00] rjune: quantm__: there's a package
[16:28:00] rjune: quantm__: first off, install fedora, then add the livna package
[16:28:00] rjune: quantm__: then do your updates
[16:28:00] sphing: i use gentoo
[16:29:00] rjune: quantm__: oh crap, you'er talking about mythstream, not myt
[16:29:00] ** rjune shuts his hole **
[16:30:00] sona: have you guys heard fi there are problems with lirc and kernel 2.6.13+?
[16:30:00] quantm__: rjune: what is livna
[16:30:00] nuxil: sona no
[16:30:00] nuxil: no problems
[16:30:00] nuxil: im running lirc atm
[16:30:00] nuxil: and im using k2.6.14
[16:30:00] rjune: quantm__: collection of packages for fedora, stuff which isn't open source or has patent issues, mp3 support and such
[16:30:00] quantm__: sona, : I am running 2.6.12–1.1381_FC3, seems to work pretty much
[16:31:00] sona: k, mine wont compile with driver hauppage, i2c error, some missing variables
[16:31:00] nuxil: sona its probely just your setup
[16:31:00] sona: I read they've done som i2c changes in 2.6.13
[16:31:00] nuxil: is it a usb or serial?
[16:31:00] nuxil: you dont need i2c
[16:31:00] sona: serial
[16:32:00] nuxil: just enable serial port in the kernel
[16:32:00] nuxil: hold 1 min i'll send you the setupscript for lirc
[16:32:00] quantm__: rjune, is there a repository for that so I an use apt-get
[16:32:00] nuxil: your setup is just screwed
[16:32:00] rjune: quantm__: yeah, go to rpm.livna.org
[16:33:00] rjune: though apt-rpm is deprecated
[16:33:00] nuxil: sona accept that file
[16:33:00] nuxil: run .setup.sh
[16:33:00] quantm__: yeah but yum won't run on my system for some reason, I get some bogus error
[16:33:00] nuxil: and find your remote there
[16:34:00] rjune: quantm__: that'll be a problem in the future,
[16:34:00] quantm__: yeah I having hopeing they realease and upgrade version that acually works
[16:34:00] nuxil: sona for god sake wer not using windows.. im not sending you some virus or other shit
[16:35:00] quantm__: I get No module named cElementTree
[16:35:00] sona: CC SEND from nuxil [0.0.0.199 port 0
[16:35:00] Beirdo: not everyone can use dcc
[16:35:00] quantm__: rjune, : googled for it, but couldn't find a straightforward fix for it
[16:35:00] nuxil: sona k,, looks like you cant accept it
[16:35:00] Beirdo: pastebin...
[16:36:00] sona: never had problems with dcc
[16:37:00] poop: Well, I got spdif on the via 8337 working last night
[16:37:00] nuxil: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lirc/lirc-0.7.2.tar.bz2
[16:37:00] poop: But I think my poor single ide drive can't keep up with firewire capture.
[16:37:00] nuxil: sona
[16:37:00] sona: nuxil: yes yes thank you I know whwre to find lirc
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[16:37:00] nuxil: run ./setup.sh
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[16:38:00] nuxil: do not ./configure
[16:38:00] nuxil: ./setup.sh -> mane -> make install
[16:38:00] nuxil: and offcource run lircd after
[16:41:00] sona: yes, same error, whines on i2c stuff
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[16:43:00] nuxil: sona you should not need i2c stuff
[16:43:00] xnor_: i have lirc working and if i run irw i get up down ok etc.. but when i start mythtv only ok works. How do i map the buttons, i have tried changing lircrc in home dir but dont really get it
[16:44:00] nuxil: xnor_ are you using kde?
[16:44:00] xnor_: fluxbox
[16:44:00] nuxil: if so use irkick
[16:44:00] nuxil: ok
[16:45:00] xnor_: hmm.....
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[16:48:00] nuxil: xnor_ lirc.conf
[16:49:00] xnor_: i have /etc/lircd.conf it looks like begin codes up and some hexnumber and so on
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[16:52:00] poop: or at least QTFU`
[16:52:00] poop: woops
[16:52:00] nuxil: xnor_ yes
[16:53:00] nuxil: thouse are the codes from you contoll
[16:53:00] sona: nuxil: I for sure need i2c, in the setup where I choose hauppage it says I must have latest i2c
[16:54:00] nuxil: what does /usr/local/bin/irw say?
[16:54:00] nuxil: try to start it up
[16:54:00] sona: cant connect
[16:54:00] sona: or something similar, compiling a new kernel now
[16:55:00] nuxil: might be another path on your system
[16:55:00] nuxil: /usr/local/bin/irw
[16:55:00] nuxil: 000000000000000d 00 Play PinnacleSysPCTVRemote
[16:55:00] nuxil: 000000000000000b 00 Stop PinnacleSysPCTVRemote
[16:55:00] nuxil: i get that
[16:55:00] xnor_: nuxil, why dont mythtv understand the commands except ok?
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[16:56:00] nuxil: idont know mythtv.. i use kdetv.. i use all the commands trough dcop
[16:56:00] Hoxzer: hi
[16:56:00] Hoxzer: can I edit channel numbers without damaging anything?
[16:56:00] sona:
[16:56:00] sona:
[16:56:00] sona: .p
[16:57:00] Hoxzer: :D
[16:57:00] Hoxzer: I think I figured out reason of my problem
[16:57:00] Hoxzer: or my past problem
[16:58:00] Hoxzer: tv_grab_fi and scan made dublicated channels
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[16:59:00] sona: Hoxzer: could be true, I had the same problem
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[17:00:00] sona: just dont do the grab thing and only choose scan
[17:00:00] sona: Hoxzer: you probably have a dvb device ?
[17:00:00] Hoxzer: yep
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[17:01:00] sona: got epg working ?
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[17:05:00] Hoxzer: even dunno what it is
[17:05:00] Hoxzer: do you know how irda IR-receiver works with lirc?
[17:06:00] Hoxzer: or what would be good place to order one that works with it (in EU)
[17:06:00] sona: thats why Im here right now, trying to get irc to work :)
[17:06:00] sona: ir*
[17:06:00] Hoxzer: irs? :D
[17:06:00] Hoxzer: irc
[17:06:00] sona: oh irc-reciever you wrote
[17:06:00] sona: hmm why do I write the c ?
[17:07:00] sona: need coffey
[17:07:00] sona: and sauna
[17:07:00] Hoxzer: :D
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[17:09:00] rsdvd__: can anyone help me get lirc to work with Myth? please
[17:10:00] rsdvd__: irw works fine and recognises all the keys on the remote......but myth does not do anything
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[17:10:00] jono: heya
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[17:26:00] ViViD: how can i set my recordings to consume less disk space?
[17:26:00] ViViD: default has 1hr of tv at 4gb
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[17:28:00] Goose-Npa: go into recording profiles
[17:30:00] MrHanky: My new htpc case is ordered: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc10m.htm
[17:31:00] Hoxzer: do you guys know any good online shop in eu that can ship good and cheap Ir-receiver to anywhere in EU?
[17:32:00] rsdvd__: Hoxzer......build one yourself......I could not find any decnet (cheap) ones in the uk.......so I built one
[17:33:00] Hoxzer: :D im not verry good with "do it your self" stuff
[17:33:00] ViViD: Goose-Npa, what is a good space saving config?
[17:33:00] rsdvd__: :-)
[17:33:00] ViViD: i think default is rtjpeg at 480x480 mp3 audio
[17:33:00] Goose-Npa: i have a mpeg2 card
[17:34:00] Goose-Npa: i use 720x480 mpeg2 4000kbs
[17:34:00] ViViD: so the settings are card specific?
[17:34:00] ViViD: the only options i have are RTJpeg and Mpeg4
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[17:35:00] ViViD: Goose-Npa, about how big is an hour of video on your settings
[17:35:00] Goose-Npa: 1.5gb/30minutes
[17:36:00] MrHanky: vivid: If your machine can't manage real-time mpeg-4, you can always transcode after recording
[17:37:00] ViViD: thats pretty close to what im getting, i wanna cut it down to around 1gb/hr as long as it looks fairly decent
[17:37:00] Goshen: What screen resoution does a normal tv want?
[17:37:00] MrHanky: 480i
[17:37:00] ViViD: MrHanky, it can handle anything, i just dont want 4gb videos
[17:37:00] ViViD: all tvs are in 640x480
[17:37:00] Goshen: I set it for 640X480 60hz and I can almost see the desktop but it is black and white and distorted
[17:38:00] MrHanky: Goshen: nvidia?
[17:38:00] Goshen: heh, wish, no ATI 9000 pro, using mandriva powerpack ATI drivers
[17:38:00] Goshen: using svideo out
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[17:39:00] ViViD: 640x480 @ 60 is standard for tvs
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[17:39:00] ViViD: my tv out is playing at 1024x768 and its impossible to read anything on the screen
[17:39:00] MrHanky: That's usually what you use with s-video
[17:40:00] MrHanky: It used to be the only option, but newer hardware scales for you (and it's often fuzzy)
[17:40:00] MrHanky: Thank G-d for HDTV
[17:40:00] ViViD: my tv was all garbled before i had the dual monitors set up correctly
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[17:40:00] kahuna_: What's the best res. to use then?
[17:40:00] kahuna_: If you don't mind me jumping in to ask a stupid question...
[17:41:00] ViViD: i use the same as my monitor, but it you want to read websites and such on a tv, youll want it at 640x480
[17:41:00] ViViD: it=if
[17:42:00] kahuna_: I keep reading that the happuage cards spit out 720x480
[17:42:00] kahuna_: But I do keep my res @ 640x480
[17:42:00] kahuna_: My picture is a bit fuzzy with small items too.
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[17:43:00] ViViD: Goose-Npa, do i change the Defautl settings under recording profiles?
[17:43:00] MrHanky: kahuna: They can capture at 720x480, but regardless anything going into SDTV has to be 480i
[17:44:00] kahuna_: Gotcha
[17:44:00] ViViD: a standard tv can support a max of 1024x768 @ 60hz
[17:45:00] ViViD: anyone know which profile myth is using when recording?
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[17:46:00] Goshen: Sorry, I lost my connection
[17:46:00] Goshen: The last thing I saw was the question if it was nvidia
[17:46:00] Goshen: I said no, it is unfortunately an ATI 9000 pro using svidio output
[17:47:00] MrHanky: Goshen: I think we'd recommend 640x480 if you're using s-video
[17:47:00] MrHanky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
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[17:49:00] GTswagger: Trying to use nuvexport to XviD (or any other format for that matter), I get the following: yuvdenoise: invalid option — r
[17:49:00] GTswagger: processed: 0 of 224640 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[17:49:00] kahuna_: Goshen: The ATI card sucks doesn't it? I have a 9100 IGP
[17:49:00] GTswagger: and it then just SITS there at 0 frames processed
[17:49:00] kahuna_: I'm going to get an Nvidia card for christmas.
[17:49:00] sphing: yuvdenoise isnt being lauchned correctly
[17:50:00] GTswagger: What particular program could be the problem child?
[17:50:00] Goshen: kahuna_: it seems that people are having more luck with nvidia
[17:50:00] sphing: ... yuvdenoise
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[17:50:00] GTswagger: sphing — I mean, as in, is it nuvexport calling yuvdenoise wrong.. or just plain yuvdenoise?
[17:51:00] GTswagger: yuvdenoise is, IIRC, a part of mjpegtools
[17:51:00] sphing: nuvexport calling yuvdenoise
[17:51:00] sphing: nuvexport has alot of debugging built in
[17:51:00] GTswagger: I've tried the stable and the latest unstable in portage.... the stable doesn't vomit the -r error, but it still sits at 0 frames processed
[17:51:00] sphing: i think --debug triggers it... check the docs
[17:51:00] Goshen: The annoying part is that the svideo output almost worked out of the box, I can almost read it, but it is scrolling, black and white, and distorted :P
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[17:52:00] kahuna_: Goshen: what version of the fglrx driver?
[17:53:00] Hoxzer: how I can watch my records?
[17:53:00] GTswagger: hmmm.. Loading MythTV recording info. DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at /usr/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 66.
[17:53:00] GTswagger: 80%
[17:53:00] sphing: GTswagger: i get that also... i think the db changed and hasnt update nuvexport
[17:53:00] MrHanky: The pizza cometh anon
[17:53:00] sphing: i dont use yuvdenoise... because its problematic
[17:53:00] kahuna_: my biggest problem with ATI's driver is that their XV implementation sucks compared to xorg's radeon driver.
[17:55:00] GTswagger: forking:
[17:55:00] GTswagger: /usr/bin/nice -n19 ffmpeg -f rawvideo -s 480x480 -r 29.970 -i /tmp/fifodir_18903/vidout -f yuv4mpegpipe – 2> /dev/null | /usr/bin/nice -n19 yuvdenoise -r 16 -f -b 10,10,-10,-10 | (blah blah blah blahhhh)
[17:55:00] GTswagger: wonder wtf the 16 is in there for...
[17:56:00] sphing: GTswagger: you could just run nuvexport without yuvdenoise
[17:56:00] GTswagger: :(
[17:56:00] GTswagger: I'll run... emerge --unmerge nuvexport mjpegtools ; emerge nuvexport
[17:56:00] Goshen: kahuna_: it just says Ati Radeon fglrx
[17:56:00] GTswagger: Then give nuvexport a shot
[17:56:00] sphing: GTswagger: no
[17:56:00] GTswagger: If it doesn't work, I'll just skip the denoise bit
[17:56:00] sphing: just run nuvexport
[17:57:00] sphing: then when it asks for denoise hit no
[17:57:00] sphing: and it'll skip it
[17:57:00] GTswagger: sphing — I have unstable mjpegtools in portage installed ATM
[17:57:00] sphing: ahh well then
[17:57:00] GTswagger: Stable mjpegtools still hung at 0 frames, but didn't give the -r error
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[17:58:00] kahuna_: Goshen: Where did you get the driver? Erly versions of that driver have the same problem that you describe.
[17:58:00] Goshen: kahuna_: Mandriva powerpack 2006 installed it
[17:59:00] GTswagger: ahhh Mandriva... nostalgia
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[17:59:00] GTswagger: I first learned linux on the old Mandrakes... 8.0 .. 9.1 ... 10.0...
[18:00:00] rjune: old mandrakes?
[18:00:00] kahuna_: Probably an old driver then. Does madriva use xorg or xfree86?
[18:01:00] Goshen: xorg
[18:01:00] kahuna_: definitely get the newest driver then.
[18:01:00] kahuna_: from ati.com
[18:02:00] GTswagger: rjune --> Mandriva use to be called Mandrake Linux. It merged with Connectiva to form Mandriva. Around 2002 or so Mandrake 8.0 ... 9.0 was their latest offering. A real good solid distro for newbies like myself at the time.
[18:02:00] rjune: GTswagger: I know the history of mandrake
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[18:02:00] GTswagger: sphing — without using yuvdenoise.....
[18:02:00] GTswagger: ffmpeg died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong.
[18:02:00] GTswagger: :(
[18:02:00] rjune: I just wouldn't allk version 8 an old mandrake
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[18:03:00] Ryushin: Anyone know if a unichrome pro motherboard that has dvi out that has at least 3 pci slots and a agp slot?
[18:03:00] Ryushin: Or, I guess the best question would be what open alternative exist for xvmc that is not nvidia beside the unichrome pro?
[18:03:00] Goshen: kahuna_: I will give it a try, thanks
[18:04:00] GTswagger: Ryushin — out of curiosity, why are you avoiding nVidia?
[18:05:00] xnor_: is it possible to edit lircrc so that when i press volume- the volume decreases with 10 ?
[18:06:00] ivor: Ryushin: afaik the intel i810 is the only other xvmc implementation... no idea if it works though.
[18:06:00] GTswagger: xnor_ http://lug.ncaabbs.com ---> georgia_tech_swagger's ~/.lircrc
[18:07:00] GTswagger: judging by that file, i'd say not..... lirc is merely mapping buttons on the remote to keybinds for MythTV... and I'm unaware of such a keybind
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[18:07:00] kahuna_: Id live HDTV possible on a 2.8Ghz Celeron?
[18:07:00] kahuna_: s/id/is
[18:08:00] GTswagger: kahuna_ --> depends on the RAM, I'd think
[18:08:00] Juski: kahuna_: not judging by what I've heard & read
[18:08:00] GTswagger: kahuna_ --> Celeron's have very very very little on-chip memory, and thus hit up RAM much harder than say a PIV.
[18:08:00] kahuna_: Looks like a P4 upgrade is in order then.
[18:09:00] GTswagger: That's why Celeron's are so cheap.. they have miserly amounts of on-chip memory which is expensive
[18:09:00] ivor: Nah, hdtv's possible on 900Mhz. :P
[18:10:00] kahuna_: Sure, recording HDTV anyway.
[18:10:00] kahuna_: :P
[18:10:00] Juski: Quad CPU @ 900Mhz maybe
[18:10:00] xnor_: GTswagger: okey
[18:10:00] GTswagger: lol
[18:10:00] ivor: unichrome-pro. :D
[18:10:00] ivor: passively cooled.
[18:11:00] Juski: I heard something about that – it HAD to involve a hardware decoder
[18:11:00] xnor_: Does anyone know where to put mythbackend so it starts when linux boots, i use knoppix/debian
[18:11:00] kahuna_: what's so special about the unichrome besides the xvmc support?
[18:11:00] ivor: well I didn't say without cheating.
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[18:11:00] ivor: kahuna_: nothing at all. cheap. low power. small.
[18:11:00] GTswagger: xnor_ I use Gentoo, so the following may not (probably won't?) work, but you can give it a try:
[18:11:00] GTswagger: xnor_ # rc-update add mythbackend default
[18:12:00] xnor_: GTswagger: it didnt :/
[18:13:00] laga: xnor_: check update-rc.d
[18:13:00] Juski: xnor_: try googling for adding runlevel services in knoppix
[18:13:00] GTswagger: :( Do a Google. The command I gave you was Gentoo's slick way of doing that sort of thing, but I didn't know if that was a gentoo-only setup
[18:14:00] Juski: I've tried googling for ubuntu tips & not found much
[18:15:00] laga: Juski: you mean, hints on ubuntu in general?
[18:15:00] bfree: xnor_: you should have a script in /etc/init.d which will start/stop the backend ... you need to make symlinks to start it at the correct runlevels e.g. to start it in runlevel 3 do "ln -s /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend /etc/rc3.d/"
[18:15:00] Goshen: what is a xinerama extension?
[18:16:00] trans_err: Goshen: allows for display on multiple screens
[18:16:00] laga: Juski: digg.com has a lot of those. brb.
[18:16:00] Juski: laga: I mean specifics on doing certain things.. like getting my hardware working .. stuff that's normally all automatic (such as compiling SVN mythtv & getting all the dependencies)
[18:16:00] Goshen: hmm, perhaps I will try that
[18:17:00] Juski: I just realised tonight that when I was fiddling with my kernel it borked my DVB card kernel modules.. so rather than mess about again I'm gonna flatten it
[18:17:00] xnor_: bfree: great thanks, ill try it!
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[18:17:00] GTswagger: My goodness that's how Debian manages startup scripts?
[18:17:00] Juski: I just cant see any reason why so many linux distros have to do everything differently :/
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[18:18:00] bfree: there's probably a nicer way to do it ...
[18:18:00] GTswagger: I realize this will sound homer-ish — but I really wish Linux desktop distros would use some of Gentoo's conventions.
[18:18:00] Juski: I'm sure some distros are different just for the sake of it
[18:18:00] GreyFoxx: Distros are different, just like the users :)
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[18:19:00] GTswagger: Gentoo is a pain in the butt to install; but they have VERY nice helper scripts like rc-update, to use a very recent issue.... and they maintain a common style in terms of putting files where they should be and keeping similar files there as well
[18:19:00] ** Juski is just bitter coz he's on the lowest part of the learning curve again **
[18:19:00] GTswagger: Well — Linux Standard Base (LSB) is allegedly going to solve these problems.
[18:20:00] Juski: I'll beleive that when I see it (call me cynical)
[18:20:00] GTswagger: And there's major players on LSB now... Adobe.. Debian.. Mandriva.. Xandros... Linspire... Ubuntu... Novell.. .IBM...
[18:20:00] Chutt: debian uses update-rc.d
[18:20:00] GTswagger: The fundamental problem with LSB is this: RPM
[18:20:00] Juski: there'll probably be some new 'purer' distro comes out that throws it all out of the window
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[18:21:00] ** GreyFoxx is happy with his distro as is **
[18:21:00] GTswagger: LSB desperately needs some convention for source-based software management.
[18:21:00] subbie: does anybody have the problem where when they click on the video images in mythweb they get the following error, You don't have permission to access /mythweb/video_dir/1066_20051127200000_20051127210000.nuv on this server.
[18:22:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, that means that the recordings aren't where MythWeb thinks they are.
[18:23:00] GTswagger: And while we're compiling a dream list, a nice way of managing wifi spots would be great ;)
[18:23:00] Beirdo: subbie: apache2 can't serve files > 2GB in size
[18:24:00] Beirdo: that is likely the core issue, it will give odd errors if you try
[18:24:00] Juski: if you google the exact error message in the apache log, you'll find out
[18:24:00] GTswagger: Ahhh the great Beirdo; he who helped me find, after 4 days of head-bashing, that my MythTV was broken due to IRQ conflicts.
[18:24:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:25:00] Beirdo: computers have a way of being stupid in unique ways
[18:25:00] Juski: just like users eh?
[18:25:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:25:00] subbie: Beirdo: ahhh, thast unfortunate :-\
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[18:26:00] Beirdo: yes, it is.
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[18:26:00] Juski: saw a press article today about the future of HDTV
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[18:26:00] Juski: it's looking like 24Gb/sec
[18:26:00] Juski: (uncompressed)
[18:27:00] Juski: seven thousand and something pixels across by four thousand and something pixels down (!)
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[18:27:00] Juski: decode that, P4 3GHz
[18:28:00] iltechy: hey again guys – is there any way to get mythtv to play mythmusic output to the tvout on a pvr350?
[18:28:00] Chutt: no.
[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: iltechy: Nope
[18:28:00] iltechy: ok thanks much
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[18:29:00] Juski: buy a cheap LCD display & fit it into the case :)
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[18:30:00] GTswagger: sphing — I got nuvexport working, but only by not using yuvdenoise, and by downgrading ffmpeg :(
[18:31:00] GTswagger: woah — actually, ffmpeg is the full culprit
[18:31:00] GTswagger: I can do it all by downgrading ffmpeg
[18:31:00] GTswagger: Time to file a bug report
[18:32:00] Goshen: Mandriva 2006 install as amazing...I set up two partitions as raid 1, then set up three other partitions for LVM all with the graphical installer
[18:32:00] Beirdo: uh huh
[18:32:00] Beirdo: ubuntu can do that too :)
[18:32:00] Beirdo: think Fedora can too
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[18:33:00] Goshen: bet its not as pretty :)
[18:33:00] Beirdo: bet it works
[18:33:00] Beirdo: if you want pretty, use Windoze
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[18:34:00] GTswagger: Bet Gentoo can do it and never require reinstallation for major upgrades again. And I bet it packs 4 more inches of manhood and a trophy wife too.  :D :P
[18:34:00] xxnor: I have a pvr350 card with a composite out, it it possible to get the turner and myth overlay on composite out?
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: xxnor: Yes
[18:34:00] Juski: xxnor: supposedly
[18:34:00] GTswagger: xxnor --> I sounds doable but like it'd beat up on your graphics card / cpu
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: You can use the ivtv drivers to output X (and therefore mtyh) to the card, and then just tell myth to use it for playback
[18:35:00] xxnor: GTswagger i have amd64 4000+ 1gb ram
[18:35:00] GTswagger: xxnor — good good... graphics card?
[18:35:00] xxnor: gt6800
[18:35:00] GTswagger: That should work nicely.
[18:35:00] GTswagger: I have a GeForce 5200 FX.... managed to play Doom III on it too.
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: If he's using the 350 for output then the graphics card is kind of irrelevant
[18:36:00] GTswagger: Now, to pull that off, I had to put on a MASSIVE overclock on it and then point a USB fan onto the heatsink; but I digress :D
[18:36:00] Beirdo: if he has that kinda CPU and GPU, the 350 is kinda irrelevant
[18:36:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Certainly, but if he already has the card and wants to use it, it's his choice :)
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[18:37:00] Beirdo: yup
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[18:37:00] xxnor: i have a nice composite out cable from the pvr350 that i would like to use, how do i try it more concrete iam a n00b, just got mythtv running
[18:38:00] Juski: does the 350 still win on video quality though? my EPIA's s-vid output is.. well absolutely perfect
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[18:38:00] nuxil: http://www.stacken.kth.se/lists/best-forestry . . . jpg00000.jpg
[18:38:00] GTswagger: S Video? Try playing that on a big HDTV and see how perfect it is :)
[18:38:00] iltechy: juski: i think it'll be pretty much close.. the pvr350 output is exceptional
[18:38:00] nuxil: funny
[18:38:00] GreyFoxx: Juski It often looks cleaner, but ymmb. the video out from my box looks great
[18:39:00] Juski: HDTV? wossat? ;)
[18:39:00] \Grooby\: hey guys..I got pvr 350,150 and hd3k on a gentoo box
[18:39:00] MrHanky: I have to use old school DVI instead of HDMI to get teevee
[18:39:00] GTswagger: If you're not using a huge HDTV with HDTV playback and such; then yes, SVideo will do for you then
[18:40:00] \Grooby\: and so far i can change channels on my hd3k but pvr's are stuck at channel 3 and can't be tuned
[18:40:00] \Grooby\: even with multiple mythfilldatabase
[18:40:00] GTswagger: Speaking of mythfilldatabase
[18:40:00] \Grooby\: when I emerge ivtv, I didn't delete ther kernel's tuner.ko and bunch of stuff...
[18:40:00] \Grooby\: could that be cause of my problem?
[18:40:00] GTswagger: Imagine my surprise, after not using mythtv for 6 months, to see permission denied on mythfilldatabase runs around 3 in the morning
[18:41:00] xxnor: how do i redirect the output to the composite out?
[18:41:00] GTswagger: going to Zap2It to renew my subscription, I soon discovered how mad they must be at folks like me who have had myth going unchanged for so long .. banging on their server all at once in the AM
[18:42:00] MrHanky: It costs less to deny access
[18:44:00] subbie: how do you renew the subscription, mine expires in 2 months
[18:44:00] GreyFoxx: subbie: Got to their site, login and fill out the survey
[18:44:00] GreyFoxx: it will renew for 3 months
[18:45:00] subbie: ah ok, i dont have a survey yet, im guessing it will show up soon?
[18:45:00] GreyFoxx: 1 week from expiry I think
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[18:49:00] Goshen: ntsc-m or ntsc-n for output to tv in the US?
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[18:51:00] kcid: howdy, i'm having issues with my pvr350, i can watch live tv for about 2 seconds then the backend spews: 2005-12–01 08:45:03.801 6 128000
[18:51:00] kcid: 2005-12–01 08:45:18.811 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping.
[18:51:00] kcid: 2005-12–01 08:45:18.811 1 0
[18:52:00] kcid: and i'm left with zeros until it chages from livetv to none
[18:52:00] MrHanky: kcid: Does the mplayer /dev/video test work?
[18:52:00] GTswagger: kcid — offhand things to check:
[18:53:00] iltechy: kcid – i'm going to take a guess and say you're running an smp kernel
[18:53:00] GTswagger: 1) Disk full?
[18:53:00] kcid: iltechy: no
[18:53:00] GTswagger: 2) Do you have proper permissions?
[18:53:00] kcid: disk is empty
[18:53:00] kcid: user is root for test purposes at the moment
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[18:53:00] GTswagger: e.g. – depending on your distro, are you in the "video" group? If not, you won't be able to do that sorta thing
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[18:53:00] iltechy: are you using the 350's tvout
[18:54:00] kcid: iltechy: no, my nvidia geforce ti4200 to a 720p hdtv
[18:54:00] kcid: via d-sub
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[18:54:00] kcid: emerging mplayer now for the test =)
[18:54:00] GTswagger: kcid — try this: # echo /dev/video0 > /test.mpg (after 15 seconds, hit Ctrl C) ... now do mplayer /test.mpg .... does it play?
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[18:54:00] GTswagger: kcid — Gentoo.... you get puntos
[18:55:00] GTswagger: kcid.distroChoice++;
[18:55:00] poop: Flame on!
[18:55:00] GreyFoxx: GT do you mean cat /dev/video0 ? :)
[18:55:00] GTswagger: GreyFoxx – yes, thanks for pointing out my lack-of-coffee error
[18:55:00] kcid: actually i defined my card in mythsetup as /dev/v4l/video0
[18:55:00] kcid: should it be /dev/cideo0?
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[18:55:00] kcid: *video
[18:55:00] GTswagger: kcid --> #gentoo-mythtv ... just for your knowledge
[18:56:00] GTswagger: kcid – let me see where mine is
[18:56:00] GTswagger: since we both use Gentoo, it should be the same
[18:56:00] GTswagger: kcid --> /dev/video0
[18:57:00] GTswagger: That assumes you have no other potential V4L devices. I have a quickcam, so for me /dev/video0 is the quickcam, and /dev/video1 is the PVR-250
[18:57:00] kcid: alright
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[18:59:00] kcid: 13 packages before mplayer merges i'm going for a smoke ;p
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[19:02:00] kcid: heh i'll scp the mpg over
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[19:10:00] Goshen: yea! the new ATI driver fixed the tv out :)
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[19:10:00] Kury: What kernel drivers do I need to turn on to use an haupauge 350 card? (IVTV drivers?)
[19:11:00] Kury: And what about for the radio portion of the card?
[19:12:00] Beirdo: goooogle
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[19:20:00] Beirdo: oO
[19:20:00] Beirdo: keep it in yer pants
[19:21:00] laga: hehe
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[19:25:00] kahuna_: Goshen: I'm glad to hear that you're fixed.
[19:25:00] sphing: how can you get the nice of a process
[19:26:00] kahuna_: top os ps
[19:26:00] kahuna_: that's or, not os.
[19:26:00] sphing: ahh forgot about top
[19:26:00] Kury: .. whats the best filesystem for a mythbox??
[19:27:00] kahuna_: Kury: I use ext3 on my system partition, but xfs on my recordings partition.
[19:27:00] kahuna_: There's lots of speculation on what's
[19:27:00] kahuna_: "best"
[19:27:00] Kury: why xfs? what does it offer that makes it better for the recording partition?
[19:27:00] Kury: well.. I'm looking for opinions of actualy myth user..
[19:28:00] Kury: users...
[19:28:00] kahuna_: File delete times are much faster.
[19:28:00] sphing: Kury: xfs and jfs use extents
[19:28:00] kahuna_: You don't have the cpu chewing away at deleting a huge file for 13 seconds while you're recording.
[19:29:00] kahuna_: well Kury, im an "actually" myth user.
[19:29:00] Kury: ... what about reiserfs?
[19:29:00] Kury: does it have this delete overhead?
[19:29:00] kcid: so yeah the mplayer test works beutifully
[19:29:00] Goshen: kahuna_: now the tv output is perfrect,but the monitor is very very washed out
[19:29:00] kahuna_: Reiser is good too.
[19:29:00] Kury: and what would someone actualy be deleting durring a recording anyways?
[19:29:00] sphing: reiser is a journalling
[19:29:00] sphing: so theres overhead with writing
[19:30:00] kahuna_: Goshen: Sucks. I don't have a monitor hooked up to mine.
[19:30:00] kahuna_: xfs, jfs and ext3 are also journalling.
[19:30:00] Goshen: kahuna_: guess I don't need a monitor hooked up to it :)
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[19:30:00] FITH: heh, if you're box is busy, would you want to wait for the next gap in recording to delete a show you just watched? :)
[19:30:00] Goshen: I wound what that fglrxgama program does, lets see :)
[19:30:00] kahuna_: Try the rage3d forums to see if there's an issue. rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=88
[19:31:00] sphing: kahuna_: but reiser doesnt do extents i dont think
[19:31:00] kcid: so yeah, /dev/video0 outputs fine but mythtv won't play it
[19:31:00] FITH: Or worse, wait until all of the backends stop recording to delete a show? (A problem I don't have yet!)
[19:31:00] kcid: writestringlist: bad socket
[19:32:00] kahuna_: Goshen: Be aware that anything after 8.4.13 you cannot adjust the TV position. The aticontrol program simply does not work for TV out.
[19:32:00] Kury: .. humm is there a recommended mixture of the 2 fs's to gain the best of both worlds?
[19:32:00] sphing: although reiser4 is pretty sweet
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[19:32:00] Kury: Whats new in reiser4?
[19:32:00] sphing: ...alot
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[19:33:00] Goshen: kahuna_: the TV position?
[19:33:00] iltechy: kury: i use ext3 for everything but the mythtv libraries which use jfs – everything works great
[19:33:00] kahuna_: Kury: Just pick one of the faster ones. If you don't like it, then back up your data and switch.
[19:33:00] kahuna_: Goshen: Like overscan and that sort of thing.
[19:34:00] Goshen: oh shesh, its set for 43 HZ!
[19:34:00] kahuna_: lol. there's your problem.
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[19:35:00] kcid: hrmmm
[19:35:00] Goshen: hmm, got it to go 60 and 70hz and still way too bright
[19:36:00] Goshen: on the montitor, not the TV
[19:36:00] mofu_: since when did #mythtv get jacked as a Dev-Only Channel, was still user friendly over Thanksgiving . . . . .
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[19:37:00] kahuna_: mofu_: AFAIK it's always been a dev channel
[19:37:00] sphing: mofu_: no it wasnt
[19:37:00] GTswagger: kcid – you rang?
[19:37:00] Goshen: mofu_: only thing I ever get in there is a reminder that I am not in #mythtv-users
[19:37:00] sphing: its always been dev channel
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[19:37:00] Goshen: dev channel should be #mythtv-dev :)
[19:37:00] kahuna_: I agree
[19:37:00] sphing: so do I, but its not our decision to make
[19:38:00] kahuna_: It ives the impression that mythtv is not ready to be used yet
[19:38:00] mofu_: It's not that big a deal, but you don't change a channel when its been a certain way for months/years
[19:38:00] sphing: mofu_: it wasnt a user channel
[19:39:00] kahuna_: how do you know it wasn't always a dev channel mofu_?
[19:40:00] mofu_: sphing: whatever, I'me fairly certain my default login channel has been #mythtv and I have help lots of newbs, and answered stupid questions in that room (to the point I could stand it anyway . . . .)
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: mofu_: You are incorrect
[19:40:00] sphing: mofu_: you're wrong
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: #mythtv has not been -user friendly for a long long time
[19:41:00] fryfrog: mofu_: *EVER* since i started playin with myth, it was mythtv-users
[19:41:00] Beirdo: yup
[19:41:00] fryfrog: and that was *at least* a year ago
[19:41:00] Beirdo: forever
[19:41:00] mofu_: like I said, no bigg
[19:41:00] Beirdo: your memory sucketh
[19:41:00] mofu_: lol
[19:41:00] mofu_: Have I been in this room Beirdo??
[19:42:00] fryfrog: but i do agree, it'd be *smarter* to make it #mythtv and #mythtv-dev :/
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Many times
[19:42:00] fryfrog: mofu_: yes, i've talked to you many times in here
[19:42:00] Beirdo: yes, you've been here many times
[19:42:00] Beirdo: and it's a channel :)
[19:42:00] sphing: mofu: yea i recognize you also
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[19:42:00] mofu_: Yes, my memory must sucketh . . . . . just like the Canadian Govt . . . .
[19:42:00] fryfrog: somebody is getting old and losing their memory :)
[19:42:00] rjune: chanel, room, whatever
[19:42:00] mofu_: lol
[19:43:00] Beirdo: all government sucks
[19:43:00] Beirdo: it's a prerequisite of being a government
[19:43:00] mofu_: just too bad we don't have the No Faith Vote available
[19:43:00] sphing: attention Bierdo will no gives us his solution to government
[19:43:00] sphing: now*
[19:43:00] Beirdo: we have the solution
[19:43:00] Beirdo: another election
[19:43:00] mofu_: true
[19:44:00] Beirdo: which will vote the same crooks right back in, I bet
[19:44:00] mofu_: I wish we could do the same
[19:44:00] mofu_: lol
[19:44:00] mofu_: I can't see Canada w/ a Conseravtive Right Wing Govt
[19:44:00] Beirdo: I can
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: mofu_: I agree with the liberals more on the big public issues than the pc
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: err that was for Beirdo
[19:44:00] Beirdo: we had them many many times in the past
[19:45:00] sphing: my tv has a black border on top and bottom.... do I need overscan or underscan
[19:45:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: too bad they are such obvious crooks
[19:45:00] mofu_: sphing : over
[19:45:00] Beirdo: and it ain't "PC" anymore
[19:45:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: I'd rather the crook who gets me what I want than crooks for change public policy to go along with their nutso ideas
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[19:46:00] mofu_: sphing: does the menu have the borders also??
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[19:46:00] Beirdo: ummm, the libs just change their minds every 3 months and have no real policy
[19:46:00] Beirdo: as such, they represent Canada ALL too well :)
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: Again, I'd rather that then see the conservatives come in and remove a lot of the stuff I agree with
[19:46:00] mofu_: guess I yanked the chain a bit to hard . . . .
[19:46:00] Beirdo: like the GST?
[19:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:47:00] Beirdo: which they now say they will get rid of... and they put it in
[19:47:00] Beirdo: hey, didn't Chretien promise to remove it too?
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: No, if the C's get in goodbye samesex marriage, goodbye legal abortion, good bye a host of other things
[19:47:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:47:00] Beirdo: nah
[19:47:00] Beirdo: they'll never get a big enough majority to pull that off
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: HArper was here in town yesterday saying it
[19:47:00] jono: any idea why I can only see tv on my tv as opposed to the mythtv menus – this is the tv out of my pvr350 – is it because the menus don't go through the pvr?
[19:47:00] Beirdo: yeah, but he's a dolt
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: the fact they want too is enough to make me want to keep them out
[19:47:00] Beirdo: he'll get a minority at best
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: but of course this isn't #politics
[19:48:00] Beirdo: they are all slime
[19:48:00] mofu_: jono: u need to read the HOWTO docs for the 350
[19:48:00] Beirdo: and Harper's STUPID slime
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: I see a lot of "my god is better than your god" zealotry in that mans eyes
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[19:48:00] jono: mofu_, do you have an url that you would recommend?
[19:49:00] kahuna_: jono: You need the X server for the 350 I believe. And yah, read the HOWTOS.
[19:49:00] kahuna_: s/server/driver
[19:49:00] kahuna_: sorry
[19:49:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: true enough. and Layton's a freak
[19:49:00] jono: kahuna_, oh, and x server for the 350, interesting...
[19:49:00] jono: oh right
[19:49:00] poop: More and more X stuff isn't working remotely these days
[19:49:00] Beirdo: and Martin's a criminal
[19:49:00] Beirdo: take your pick :)
[19:49:00] kahuna_: poop: Huh?
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: I'll take the criminal :)
[19:50:00] poop: kahuna: xine in this case
[19:50:00] Beirdo: I'll take a job in PR and say the hell to them all
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:50:00] jono: so can I run the x server on my screen with my normal driver AND on the TV with the 350 driver?
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: You mean clone them ?
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: Or do you mean completely seperate X serversd ?
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: 1 for the regular card and 1 for the 350 ?
[19:51:00] jono: just so I can see the output of mythtv on my monitor and on my tv – wither either two drivers or jus 1?
[19:52:00] sphing: couldn't you just use xinerama?
[19:52:00] mofu_: jono, you might want to google for mythtv your distro 350 for most relevant info
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: Nope, doubt you will make that happen
[19:52:00] kahuna_: cloning would be the best bet.
[19:52:00] jono: GreyFoxx, ahhh ok, well just tv x output is fine too :)
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: you could use vnc or something to "See" it but it wouldn't really be watching vid3eo
[19:52:00] poop: The only option I found for cloning is the nvidia Twinview stuff and it wasn't very flexible.
[19:52:00] jono: thanks guys – gonna reboot to fix a module and then I will be back to try and fix up my audio problem too
[19:53:00] jono: you are fecking stars :)
[19:53:00] jono: brb
[19:53:00] kahuna_: fecking?
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[19:53:00] mofu_: e/u
[19:53:00] mofu_: ?
[19:53:00] kahuna_: weird people.
[19:53:00] mofu_: lol
[19:53:00] sphing: ha
[19:54:00] mofu_: so livetv is working in latest SVN??, Need to recompile tonight me thinks
[19:54:00] kahuna_: I wonder if I could get away with telling my boss to feck off?
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: mofu_: I've been using it for the last couple weeks
[19:54:00] mofu_: doubtful, but let us know how that goes ok?
[19:54:00] kahuna_: nice to know that it's getting stable.
[19:55:00] mofu_: GreyFoxx: 8000 series . . . .?
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: 79xx I think it was
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: currently using 8077
[19:56:00] kcid: hey now it works
[19:56:00] iltechy: what's livetv? channel surfing? worth grabbing from svn?
[19:56:00] kcid: but it's freezing every few seconds for a split second
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: iltechy: Well the more testers the better :)
[19:57:00] iltechy: hey i'm up for helping out lord knows i got a lot of hand holding too
[19:57:00] mofu_: iltechy: yeah, not really different from 0.18.1, but they revamped the code/process
[19:57:00] mofu_: no live ring buffer required
[19:57:00] iltechy: cool
[19:58:00] kahuna_: So then channel changes should be faster right?
[19:58:00] iltechy: yeah i was reading up on that.. i thought the ring buffer wasn't such a bad solution really
[19:58:00] mofu_: GreyFoxx: is there a limit to the amount of space LiveTV will take up??
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: kahuna_: I find them much faster, but some don't
[19:58:00] kahuna_: Is the some of video buffered in memory then?
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: mofu_: I haven't specifically looked for the menu options but livetv is not really any different than a recording except that the stuff gets expired faster
[19:59:00] mofu_: kahuna_: sounds like only people who were having real issues are seeing an improvement based on some comments I saw on the mailing list
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: I had fairly quick changes to start and find it much faster now
[20:00:00] mofu_: I guess my question is, if I accidently leave "LiveTV" playing on a 1080i channel, do I loose everything . . . .
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: probably
[20:00:00] mofu_: lol
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: since it all goes into the same location and is just like a recording
[20:01:00] mofu_: yep
[20:01:00] Chutt: livetv recordings are expired first.
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: sweet
[20:02:00] Chutt: so, no, you wouldn't 'loose' everything.
[20:02:00] mofu_: Chutt: for new recordings . . . . .
[20:02:00] Chutt: uh, what does '. . . . .' mean?
[20:02:00] mofu_: but if I'm close to max'd out does LiveTV auto expire stuff to make space?
[20:02:00] Chutt: what did i _just_ say.
[20:04:00] dieman: yo
[20:04:00] mofu_: you said livetv is expired first . . . . so if I'm out of space the second LiveTV show will autoexpire the first? and so on?
[20:04:00] Chutt: obviously.
[20:04:00] dieman: anyone here using chromakey osd with nvidia successfully?
[20:04:00] dieman: and what card do you use?
[20:04:00] kcid: oh wtf why isn't my drive in udma
[20:04:00] dieman: can't get it to work with nforce2 IGP, so was thinking of grabbing a fx5200
[20:04:00] mofu_: i understand, but some might see this as a bug if they were expecting to go back later and save the first program
[20:04:00] laga: dieman: i used to use it, worked fine with my geforce 4 mx 440. dunno if it still works, though
[20:05:00] dieman: hmm
[20:05:00] dieman: ok
[20:05:00] Chutt: how could it _possibly_ be thought to be a bug?
[20:05:00] Beirdo: mofu_: then they can make some diskspace
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[20:05:00] Chutt: you're out of space, it removes the least important programs
[20:05:00] jono: hey all
[20:05:00] dieman: the nforce2 igp it says that it can't do 32bit overlays so im guessing its just too old of a card or something
[20:05:00] mofu_: Beirdo: obviously
[20:05:00] iltechy: anyone have a good site for nice looking mythtv themes?
[20:05:00] Chutt: if someone wants to keep a live-tv recording, it's just a one button keypress.
[20:05:00] jono: ok, there is no audio from pvr-350 it seems
[20:05:00] dieman: ive got a ti4600, but that can't do xvmc :)
[20:05:00] dieman: the 5200 can, and its cheap
[20:06:00] dieman: i wish the sempron 2800+ (socket a) was enough to hdtv :)
[20:06:00] dieman: via software
[20:06:00] jono: does anyone know of a way to test if audio is coming into a pvr-350?
[20:06:00] poop: My athlon64 3000+ does hdtv w/o breathing too hard ...
[20:06:00] jono: or a way to test if audio is coming out?
[20:07:00] kahuna_: jono: mplayer /dev/video0
[20:07:00] kahuna_: If you get no audio in the mpeg stream, then you have a problem.
[20:07:00] jono: there is no audio
[20:07:00] mofu_: jono: sitck a set of PC speakers in the jack
[20:07:00] jono: hmm
[20:08:00] jono: mofu_, hah – I did that, but wanted to be sure there was no other problems in the way
[20:08:00] jono: will there be no audio if esd is running?
[20:08:00] mofu_: you asked
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[20:08:00] kahuna_: Is sound configured properly for everything else?
[20:08:00] mofu_: jono: you cleared the msp3400 conflict?
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[20:08:00] dieman: poop: what video format do you output in?
[20:09:00] dieman: poop: and what video format do you usually record? (1080i or 720p?)
[20:09:00] dieman: poop: im fine if its all 720p video, its 1080i->720p that sucks.
[20:09:00] jono: oops I killed esd and now that mplayer command won't run – I run it again and it still won't run
[20:09:00] jono: mofu_, cleared the conflict?
[20:09:00] poop: dieman: It's just a TS now, 720p usually
[20:09:00] mofu_: dieman: in HD you don't get to pick the format, the station either broadcasts 1080i or 720p
[20:10:00] mofu_: jono: stock kernel modules for bttv have a msp3400 module that conflicts w/ ivtv
[20:10:00] mofu_: its responsible for sound
[20:10:00] dieman: mofu_: yes, i know that, i just wanted to know what hes usually recording and outputting to
[20:11:00] jono: mofu_, oh, I think I renamed that
[20:11:00] jono: let me check
[20:11:00] dieman: mofu_: i could see that someone who outputs to 1080i most of the time needs less hw
[20:11:00] dieman: since 1080i deinterlacing and scaling to 720p is a bit heavier
[20:12:00] mofu_: dieman: not sure witch is worse but scaling 1080 to a 720 set or scaling 720 to a 1080 set, you're going to be doing heavy lifting at least part of the time
[20:12:00] jono: mofu_, I still have the msp3400 module, but that should be from ivtv as I also have a module in there that I renamed
[20:12:00] mofu_: does it date stamp match what you expect??
[20:13:00] poop: I was getting audio hiccups during playback last night. I'm surprised even the IDE disk can't write 6–7MB/hour reliably.
[20:13:00] mofu_: jono the ivtv module should not be in the same place as the kernel module
[20:14:00] jono: mofu_, oh really? its in /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/kernel/drivers/media/video
[20:15:00] jono: but I renamed the kernel modules to module_old
[20:15:00] mofu_: poop: can you box handle recording 1080i, while playing back a different 1080i??
[20:15:00] mofu_: or is you backend separate?
[20:15:00] kahuna_: what do I have to do to not have to deinterlace in software? Is it possible to set up interlacing that way?
[20:16:00] mofu_: just flip the switch in setup options/ playback area
[20:16:00] jono: mofu_, hmmm so where should my ivtv modules be? the video works fine incidentally, its just the audio that won't
[20:17:00] mofu_: jono: dont have access to my box right now, something like /lib/modules/kernel/extra ????
[20:17:00] kahuna_: jono: There's always the excellent wiki at ivtvdriver.org
[20:17:00] kahuna_: Look in the troubleshooting section.
[20:18:00] jono: would you think there is a problem with the modules being in the wrong place if I get vid but no sound?
[20:18:00] jono: kahuna_, gonna check into it again
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[20:20:00] kahuna_: well specifically the msp4300
[20:20:00] kahuna_: err that's msp3400
[20:20:00] Juski: kahuna_: you can probably buy an external video scaler for $$$$$
[20:21:00] kahuna_: make sure that you rename the v4l one to something else then run depmod -a
[20:21:00] ViViD: what programs are available to transcode into xvid
[20:25:00] Juski: right here I go.. reinstalling umbongo.. and this time I won't be fscking with the kernel to get some funny old capture card supported
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[20:26:00] Juski: ooo I see there's another mythtv theme available.. 'retro' it's called... but what it is with the colour BLUE?!?!?!
[20:27:00] laga: Juski: could you give us an URL?
[20:27:00] Beirdo: blue rules
[20:27:00] Beirdo: it's soothing and stuff
[20:27:00] Beirdo: if you want non-blue themes, you can always make some :)
[20:28:00] Juski: http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/
[20:28:00] Juski: Beirdo – I have been doing
[20:29:00] Beirdo: good :)
[20:29:00] Juski: I don't need soothing when I watch telly.. mythtv shouldn't need to calm the user down
[20:29:00] laga: the retro one reminds me of mythcenter
[20:30:00] Juski: apart from the fact the selection bar isn't pukey green ;)
[20:30:00] Juski: Beirdo: www.juski.co.uk
[20:30:00] Beirdo: not bad
[20:30:00] Beirdo: but I prefer blue :)
[20:31:00] Juski: to each their own :)
[20:35:00] kahuna_: I like GANT, but the wife likes the standard blue theme.
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[20:39:00] Juski: funny isn't it? no new themes for ages, then 2 come along at once
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[20:39:00] Juski: not one of them wide either
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:49:00] Juski: once I get SVN running here I'll soon be able to call the 4:3 grayhem finished
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: I gotta sit down and do up the editmode stuff on Gray-OSD
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: and add in any new OSD changes from SVN
[20:51:00] Juski: I noticed someone had filed a ticket for a 'bug' in the UI which was caused by my theme not having a menu element
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[20:54:00] Juski: just so I'm forewarned about this... the new ui element.. the schedule changes screen.. what's it all about? (i.e. will I have to persuade it to appear or something?)
[20:54:00] mofu_: what do you guys think about this possible a la carte cable that might get pushed by the FCC??
[20:54:00] Beirdo: meh
[20:55:00] Juski: who cares about the FCC if they live in the UK?
[20:55:00] kormoc: if it saves me mulah, grand
[20:55:00] Juski: ;)
[20:55:00] mofu_: the problem is it means the cable company has to lock down everything except maybe already OTA stations
[20:55:00] kormoc: if not, meh
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Haven't looked at it myself. I'm just gonna check trac and look at the changes there
[20:55:00] mofu_: none of our internal tuners will work if this goes forward
[20:56:00] kormoc: then that's shitty
[20:56:00] mofu_: yep
[20:56:00] Beirdo: of course they will
[20:56:00] Juski: there's too much talk of what _might_ happen anyway.. not enough action on what they _are_ doing
[20:56:00] Beirdo: our "internal tuners" do the same thing as a standard TV
[20:57:00] mofu_: how, if they have to control access on a channel-by-channel basis
[20:57:00] mofu_: cable ready TV's will not work either if they do this
[20:57:00] Juski: look – the technology exists to lock everything down & make us all watch TV on-demand, but have they? not yet
[20:57:00] Beirdo: exactly
[20:57:00] Beirdo: which is why they won't do it
[20:57:00] mofu_: you will have to have a cable box for every set
[20:57:00] Beirdo: people won't pay for it
[20:58:00] Beirdo: and it will take a long time before all cable plants are turned digital
[20:58:00] mofu_: the theory is its supposed to save consumers money, I don't see how
[20:58:00] Juski: you know instead of sitting in an IRC channel whining about it, people could be building up a campaign to defeat it
[20:58:00] bill2or3: I dunno, I'm pretty bullish on whining..
[20:58:00] Beirdo: it's just not economical to toss out billions of dollars of equipment
[20:58:00] kormoc: mofu_, so I don't have to pay for the say, 70 out of 80 channels I currently pay for?
[20:59:00] Juski: the theory about encryption is that it's intended to prevent piracy, but it doesn't. It just makes it harder for people to watch what they want
[20:59:00] Beirdo: you can be sure that all the cable providers will fight that hard
[20:59:00] Beirdo: except the ones that are all purely digital now
[20:59:00] Beirdo: but fuck them
[20:59:00] Juski: oo a login screen.. better get back to it
[20:59:00] mofu_: kormoc, that's the theory
[20:59:00] Beirdo: it won't be cheaper
[21:00:00] Beirdo: they would charge rental on the box
[21:00:00] Beirdo: then charge the same for "basic" cable
[21:00:00] mofu_: yep, at least $5 each/month
[21:00:00] Beirdo: which will now be 5 channels or some such shit
[21:00:00] Beirdo: instead of 50+
[21:01:00] mofu_: will force the cable industry to adopt a closed and controlled model compared to what we have today which is fairly open
[21:01:00] Beirdo: hah
[21:02:00] Beirdo: it will cause them to go bankrupt or die trying
[21:02:00] kormoc: dish network ++
[21:03:00] Beirdo: reading books ++
[21:03:00] kormoc: leaving the house ++
[21:03:00] mofu_: of course the drive for this is from the right, for "Decency" on TV, because parents can't take 10 minutes and learn to use the V-chip controls on the new tv they boaught, or spend 5 minutes with their kids talking about what they are watching
[21:03:00] Juski: that's rich, coming from one of the most morally corrupt nations on the planet ;)
[21:03:00] Beirdo: parents use the TV as a babysitter
[21:03:00] Beirdo: we all know that
[21:04:00] Juski: yeh that's why so many parents who own plasmas moan about screen burn
[21:04:00] Beirdo: if they don't like the programming, maybe they should give a shit about their kids and spend time with them
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[21:04:00] Juski: no Beirdo.. blame the system.. it's much easier :)
[21:04:00] mofu_: but then get offended when a breast is exposed for a half second on national tv, prudes . . . .
[21:04:00] Beirdo: or maybe they should write nasty letters to the networks and their advertisers
[21:05:00] Beirdo: that will get shit changed a lot faster
[21:05:00] mofu_: maybe we should just skip the commercials, that'll teach them
[21:05:00] mofu_: lol
[21:05:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:05:00] Beirdo: but then you wouldn't know which advertisers to send letters to saying you'll boycott them for advertising in corrupt shows :)
[21:06:00] mofu_: damn them, I guess they got us . . . .
[21:06:00] Beirdo: but seriously...
[21:06:00] Beirdo: if you don't like what's on TV being around your kids...
[21:06:00] Beirdo: get rid of the TV
[21:06:00] Beirdo: dead simple
[21:07:00] mofu_: the thought would never occur to most stupid 'mericuns
[21:07:00] Beirdo: or take the time to filter it yourself
[21:07:00] Beirdo: as you said... V-chip, etc
[21:08:00] mofu_: why when you can legislate for someone else to do it for you?
[21:08:00] Beirdo: yeah, why take care of your kids anyways
[21:08:00] Juski: there's _actually_ a DVD censoring system available now.. great if you wanna watch a movie like 'goodfellas' in like 2 minutes
[21:08:00] Beirdo: let the system take care of them
[21:08:00] Beirdo: give them to foster care right after they are born. problem solved
[21:10:00] Juski: lol
[21:10:00] Juski: neuter the damn lot of them
[21:10:00] Beirdo: TV and children REALLY isn't a good mix
[21:11:00] kahuna_: I agree.
[21:11:00] kahuna_: TV is the quickest way to make your kid stupid and socially inept.
[21:11:00] Beirdo: yeah
[21:11:00] Beirdo: look at the lot of us :)
[21:11:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:11:00] Juski: next to the internet of course
[21:11:00] Beirdo: MSN does a pretty good job of it too
[21:11:00] kahuna_: Juski: wat ru talkin bout?
[21:12:00] Beirdo: but uncensored TV with no parental guidance... that can really warp kids
[21:12:00] laga: counterstrike is the worst thing you can do to a kid, imho
[21:12:00] Beirdo: so the current "solution" seems to be government-enforced censorship
[21:12:00] Beirdo: never works
[21:12:00] kahuna_: I remember one of my kids walking in when I was playing q3a and I felt really guilty about it
[21:13:00] mofu_: gotta get out of here, later guys
[21:13:00] Juski: kahuna_: I'd say the internet has a lot to answer for.. taking some of the lame-arse stuff I've seen in forums recently as a guide
[21:13:00] Beirdo: and the penis-enlargement spam...
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[21:14:00] Beirdo: and the pr0n
[21:14:00] bill2or3: it's not the internet's fault, it's the parents who expose thier kids to it.
[21:14:00] Beirdo: nah
[21:14:00] bill2or3: any solution that involves the entire world behaving better is inherently flawed..
[21:14:00] Beirdo: of course
[21:14:00] bill2or3: have you seen that "CP80" initiative?
[21:14:00] bill2or3: more stupid idea ever.
[21:15:00] Beirdo: C3PO initiative?
[21:15:00] kahuna_: well there's some things that can be controlled and then there's that which cannot. I only hope that I've instilled the right values in my kids so they can make good decisions.
[21:15:00] Beirdo: bingo
[21:15:00] bill2or3: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635164664,00.html
[21:15:00] Juski: agghhh this theme can rot til someone updates it
[21:15:00] bill2or3: kahuna, that's all you can do, really.
[21:15:00] Beirdo: and a big part of instilling the values is explaining to the kids why what's on TV is crapola
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[21:16:00] Beirdo: hahahaha
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[21:17:00] kahuna_: Yah. Sometimes I'll think that a program is decent for kids but then I'll watch it with them and have to turn it off halfway. Then the kids are dissapointed about not being able to watch it.
[21:17:00] Beirdo: he wants to move pr0n off port 80?
[21:17:00] Beirdo: good luck
[21:17:00] bill2or3: yeah, exactly.
[21:17:00] bill2or3: people in utah county are retards
[21:17:00] Beirdo: I think the term is "mormon"
[21:17:00] bill2or3: I live about 40mi from there, so I hear about all thier antics
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[21:17:00] kahuna_: That will create a wealth oppurtunity for those who want to proxy tunnel through port 80
[21:17:00] Torq: yo you lovely people
[21:17:00] bill2or3: yeah, there's a lot of overlap between the two.
[21:18:00] laga: yay. Torq is back.
[21:18:00] kahuna_: So people will get rich allowing kids and spouses to view porn without being filtered
[21:18:00] Beirdo: just stupid
[21:18:00] mishehu: bah.
[21:18:00] bill2or3: well, it'll never work, of course, but I'm baffled that they didn't figure that out in 3 minutes.
[21:19:00] mishehu: pr0n.
[21:19:00] Beirdo: because they are STOOOOPID
[21:19:00] Torq: mythtv has been so slow lately, so ive not been checking on it. is it still 0.18.1?
[21:19:00] mishehu: pr0n on port 31337
[21:19:00] Beirdo: slow?
[21:19:00] Torq: in dev terms
[21:19:00] Beirdo: you obviously don't follow the checkins list
[21:19:00] Torq: no i dont.
[21:19:00] kahuna_: Well it makes the legislators look like good people and it creates a launchpad to outlaw certain software that can circumvent this.
[21:19:00] mishehu: Torq: that may be good too you know.
[21:19:00] Torq: question: has anyone got an xbox 360? I have a query about it
[21:19:00] kahuna_: I'd look into the possibility that porn isn't the reason at all that they want this law.,
[21:20:00] mishehu: Torq: I won't spend a dime on a 360 unless I can easily use it as a frontend for mythtv
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[21:20:00] Beirdo: kahuna_: of course it is... the horndog wants to move porn to another port so he can intercept it all for himself.
[21:20:00] Torq: mish: that was one query... the other query is, is it possible to have multiple gamer tags on one system?
[21:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:20:00] kahuna_: Torq: why would we know that?
[21:20:00] Beirdo: Torq: do we look like an xbox360 channel?
[21:21:00] Beirdo: sure we are retards at times, but damn
[21:21:00] Torq: i will see if i can find one
[21:21:00] Beirdo: there likely are some :)
[21:22:00] Torq: Beirdo: I cant find any on freenode. any ideas?
[21:23:00] Beirdo: not off-hand. maybe efnet (shudder!)
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[21:24:00] mishehu: Beirdo: speaking of which, I have this problem with Microsoft Bob...
[21:24:00] mishehu: heh
[21:24:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:24:00] ** Beirdo hands mishehu a hammer **
[21:25:00] ** mishehu promptly hits his thumb using the hammer... OUCH! I'm suing you. **
[21:25:00] mishehu: you didn't put a warning label on the hammer.
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[21:25:00] Beirdo: nah, it had a disclaimer on it
[21:25:00] Beirdo: they all do (crazy world)
[21:25:00] mishehu: no no, disclaimers must be signed.
[21:25:00] Beirdo: blah
[21:25:00] Beirdo: :)
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[21:25:00] jono: hi all
[21:25:00] kahuna_: You sign it by opening the wrapper :)
[21:25:00] Kury: Has anyone in here gotten LIRC to work in Gentoo?? I keep getting an error about not having /dev/lirc0 when I try and start the daemon
[21:25:00] Beirdo: my cousin managed to nail himself in the forehead with the claw of a hammer once
[21:25:00] FITH: it was a EULA... you know... since THEY'RE so effective :)
[21:25:00] kahuna_: it's /dev/lirc/0
[21:26:00] kormoc: mishehu, actually, disclaimers don't, wavers are what need to be signed :)
[21:26:00] kahuna_: put that in your conf.d/lirc file
[21:26:00] Beirdo: he had two welts on his forehead for a while, and I couldn't stop laughing at him
[21:26:00] mishehu: kormoc: sssshhhh!! this is irc, not reality!
[21:27:00] Kury: I don't have one of them either...
[21:27:00] Kury: . /dev/lirc/0
[21:27:00] mishehu: Beirdo: how old was he at the time?
[21:27:00] Beirdo: about 35
[21:27:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:27:00] Beirdo: got himself on the backswing
[21:27:00] mishehu: Beirdo: what braincells alcohol won't kill, a claw hammer to the head will
[21:27:00] Beirdo: gotta be talented to do that
[21:28:00] mishehu: yeah no shit
[21:28:00] mishehu: I hit my hand and left a welt on the heel just below the thumb. was hammering in a nail on a funny angle to rig the mouse tray on an old computer cart I still use.
[21:29:00] mishehu: but I'd never get myself on a backswing
[21:29:00] Beirdo: yeah, that's understandable
[21:29:00] Beirdo: the business-end of the hammer will hit you occasionally
[21:30:00] Chutt: hheh
[21:30:00] mishehu: even if careful ;-)
[21:30:00] Beirdo: yup
[21:30:00] Beirdo: my cousin's SUCH a loser :)
[21:30:00] Chutt: i've got a fingernail halfway through the regrowth process from wacking it with a hammer a couple months back
[21:31:00] Beirdo: that just hurts like crazy too
[21:31:00] mishehu: I wouldn't have hit myself if I didn't have to put my weight on the mouse tray runner... it wasn't laying flush to the keyboard tray.
[21:31:00] Beirdo: needless to say, we didn't let him use the air-nailers much
[21:31:00] Kury: Can someone help me with my LIRC setup please... the daemon keeps croaking after I close irw or any thing that accesses the daemon.. it works fine for that one time though..
[21:32:00] mishehu: wow, what a useful day I've had today... taking out individual episodes of t&j from recordings... that's time consuming, even with avidemux2.
[21:32:00] Beirdo: t&j?
[21:32:00] mishehu: Kury: what lirc version and what module are you trying to use?
[21:32:00] iltechy: anyone know how to get thumbnails to show up instead of boxes for the pictures in mythgallery?
[21:32:00] Beirdo: is that like T&A?
[21:32:00] Kury: what module?
[21:33:00] mishehu: Beirdo: yeah, tom and jerry. I sometimes collect shit like that. sadly, it's often one of the more intelligent non-educational programs on tv.
[21:33:00] Beirdo: ahhhh
[21:33:00] Beirdo: right
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[21:33:00] Kury: LIRC version 0.7.0-r1
[21:33:00] mishehu: Kury: well, some devices require an lirc module.
[21:33:00] Juski: that's better
[21:33:00] Kury: O.. like what IR receiver?
[21:33:00] Kury: pctv..
[21:33:00] mishehu: gentoo has that old of an lirc?
[21:34:00] mishehu: sheesh.
[21:34:00] Kury: I might be able to update it.. but what wrong w/ this one?
[21:34:00] mishehu: Kury: I'm not sure about pctv. I know that my irblaster requires one, but my sblive audigy 2zs remote doesn't...
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[21:34:00] mishehu: Kury: but if it doesn't use an lirc module, you need *some* device to point lircd at.
[21:35:00] Kury: require what? .. what are these modules you are talking about? my irw.. works.. the recieve works... the daemon just shits out on me..
[21:35:00] Kury: its currently pointed at /dev/ttyS0
[21:36:00] mishehu: you might need the lirc_serial module.
[21:36:00] mishehu: I don't know.
[21:36:00] mishehu: check the docs, check google... check #lirc
[21:36:00] jono: hio all
[21:37:00] jono: is there a way to determine if the correct module is being loaded?
[21:37:00] mishehu: or try pointing lircd at /dev/ttyS0...
[21:37:00] mishehu: *shrug*
[21:37:00] Juski: if you need lirc_serial, probably best to download & compile lirc yourself.. I could never get it to work in gentoo otherwise
[21:37:00] jono: my sound isnt working
[21:37:00] jono: its driving me nuts
[21:37:00] Juski: yeh jono: if the hardware works, generally ;)
[21:37:00] Kury: .. I already have the device working guys..
[21:37:00] Juski: so you've gone in through the pvr350's line input now have you jono?
[21:39:00] jono: Juski, yeah
[21:39:00] Juski: okees.. I'm lost from there on in
[21:39:00] jono: I know sound is coming out of my sky box – and that is plugged into the input
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[21:40:00] mishehu: ok, if kury had his device already working, what was the issue?
[21:40:00] jono: I cant unload the module as it says it is in use, but I killed everything that used it
[21:41:00] mishehu: that he wasn't smart enough to point lircd at /dev/ttyS0 ?
[21:41:00] ** mishehu scratches his head. **
[21:41:00] Juski: jono: you might be more likely to get an answer in #ivtv
[21:41:00] Torq: looked all over the place, cant find an xbox channel
[21:41:00] jono: there is noone there
[21:41:00] Juski: bit hard to chat with a gamepad, Torq ;)
[21:42:00] mishehu: Torq: maybe some weird hardware hacking channel?
[21:43:00] Juski: Torq: what's your query? linux or XBMC related?
[21:43:00] Torq: My query is about usage of the standard device :)
[21:43:00] Beirdo: email microsoft
[21:43:00] kahuna_: jono: you really have to type the line exactly as it appears on the HOWTO part of the ivtv wiki to unload the module
[21:43:00] Torq: yeah right
[21:44:00] Juski: Torq: if it's a modding question, head over to www.xbox-scene.com
[21:44:00] Beirdo: http://www.bash.org/?287414
[21:44:00] Beirdo: muhahaha
[21:44:00] Torq: not modding, want to know if you can have several gamertags on the same box.
[21:45:00] kahuna_: Torq: You can have as many as you want as long as it's no more than 1.
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[21:45:00] jono: kahuna_, I did but it wont unload
[21:46:00] Torq: kahuna: pah, so what if two people want to share one xbox...
[21:46:00] Juski: Torq: SHARE an xbox? and NOT buy another one? lol
[21:46:00] jono: is there a place where ivtv debuggin information is displayed?
[21:47:00] kahuna_: jono: ivtvctl --log-status
[21:47:00] kahuna_: then look at dmesg
[21:47:00] kahuna_: You're running a PVR-350 right?
[21:48:00] jono: yeah
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[21:49:00] nuxil: howdy
[21:49:00] kahuna_: Torq: I think you have to send a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope to MS to get the multi-tag passtrhough card.
[21:49:00] kahuna_: They don't want just anybody playing the Xbox.
[21:49:00] Torq: kahuna: now i know youre shitting me
[21:49:00] kahuna_: lol
[21:49:00] mishehu: hmm nothing I ever said ever ended up on bash. I must not be very funny.
[21:49:00] nuxil: when i start mythtv, and press R it sais recording.. but how do i stop the recording and where does it save the recording?
[21:49:00] jono: this is confusing as I don't know what it wrong – I am not sure if it is because the wrong module is being loaded or anything else
[21:49:00] kahuna_: you're too serious, or you have a life and don't waste all your time on IRC
[21:50:00] nuxil: anyone
[21:50:00] nuxil: i managed to get myth to use my composite as input instead of televison
[21:50:00] nuxil: so i want to rcord the movie from my camera
[21:50:00] mishehu: kahuna_: probably both.
[21:51:00] nuxil: but where is it saved
[21:51:00] Juski: wtf kind of default password does ubuntu like to put in mysql.txt? what's wrong with 'mythtv' ?
[21:51:00] Chutt: use another program to record from a camera
[21:51:00] Chutt: mythtv is a pvr, not a generic recording app.
[21:51:00] Juski: next thing you know someone will ask for direct to DVD disc recording
[21:51:00] kahuna_: That would be nice.
[21:51:00] nuxil: Chutt sure just tell me one.. not transcode and not mencode and absolutly not xawtv
[21:52:00] nuxil: so where does it save the file when i press R
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[21:52:00] nuxil: /mnt/store??
[21:52:00] Chutt: you just said 3
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[21:52:00] Chutt: so, why should the mythtv users channel suggest programs to use which are beyond the scope of myth?
[21:52:00] nuxil: i sais non of em works for me.. xawtv was the closes one,, but it crashes
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[21:53:00] a1fa: mythgallery doesnt respond to lirc
[21:53:00] a1fa: or remote
[21:54:00] nuxil: Chutt just tell me simpe stuff,, like how do i stop a recording and save it,, and where is it saved?
[21:54:00] Chutt: no.
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[21:54:00] Chutt: it's not a generic recording app.
[21:54:00] nuxil: ok.. i was lying
[21:54:00] Chutt: use something meant for that.
[21:54:00] nuxil: i watch tv
[21:54:00] Chutt: suuure you were.
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[21:54:00] jono: hi
[21:54:00] nuxil: how do i record a tvprogram on the fly "R" right
[21:55:00] Chutt: nope.
[21:55:00] Juski: yay! now got mythtv fully working in ubuntu
[21:55:00] Juski: in like er.. 2 hours
[21:55:00] nuxil: well when i press R it sais recording
[21:55:00] jono: anyone here use the unstable ivtv?
[21:55:00] Juski: nuxil: then it'll prolly stop because it doesn't have any program guide data for the time period you're recording
[21:56:00] iltechy: not bad juski
[21:56:00] Juski: now you _could_ maybe get round this by scheduling a custom recording carefully
[21:56:00] nuxil: so how can i tell it to record on the fly and stop it when i want to with usage of hotkeys
[21:56:00] Chutt: you can't.
[21:56:00] Chutt: it's not a generic recording application.
[21:56:00] nuxil: thats pure stupid
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[21:56:00] Chutt: why?
[21:56:00] Juski: oh dear oh dear. oh dear
[21:57:00] Chutt: this isn't a vcr.
[21:57:00] Beirdo: I hear someone volunteering to write new code to fix something he considers stupid
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[21:57:00] nuxil: well lets sai somthing exiting is on tv and you havet made a scheduling
[21:57:00] Krazylegz: Exciting?
[21:57:00] nuxil: and you really want that on tape "disk"
[21:57:00] Krazylegz: Pretty record. Myth will record the show.
[21:57:00] Juski: as long as there's program guide data
[21:58:00] Chutt: no guide data, no recording.
[21:58:00] Juski: there's another way you can con myth into doint it for you
[21:58:00] Krazylegz: Oh.
[21:58:00] Krazylegz: Well, there's that.
[21:58:00] Krazylegz: Manually schedule a recording?
[21:58:00] Beirdo: no guide data, you need to use manual scheduling if I remember right
[21:58:00] Chutt: for recording crap off of a vcr, or a video camera
[21:58:00] nuxil: hmm it should have a record on the fly function
[21:58:00] Chutt: just use a regular recording application.
[21:58:00] Chutt: nuxil, i disagree.
[21:58:00] nuxil: why?
[21:58:00] Chutt: because it's not a vcr
[21:59:00] nuxil: well it is alomuist already
[21:59:00] Chutt: alomuist?
[21:59:00] nuxil: so why not add 1 more function
[21:59:00] ** Juski stops reading **
[21:59:00] nuxil: *almost
[21:59:00] Juski: must... resist...
[22:00:00] Chutt: there are lots of other applications that do exactly that.
[22:00:00] Chutt: myth doesn't need to.
[22:00:00] jono: gonna reinstall the driver again
[22:00:00] nuxil: heh when your finished making that scheduling.. the thing you wanted is over
[22:00:00] Juski: righty.. I need to get me some svn code
[22:00:00] Krazylegz: What are you recording, commercials?
[22:00:00] mishehu: commercials are so fun to record
[22:01:00] nuxil: Krazylegz funny stuff
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[22:03:00] nuxil: its a really good app.. exept that it cant record on the fly only with scheduling
[22:03:00] Juski: nuxil: so code it to do that then
[22:03:00] Juski: if any of the devs wanted it, it would already be done
[22:04:00] nuxil: yea. learn me c/c++ first ;P'
[22:04:00] Juski: and you sitting here begging for it isn't gonna change anyone's mind ;)
[22:04:00] Krazylegz: nuxil: Well, #mythtv-users is not the correct forum for your wishlist.
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[22:13:00] Juski: jono:.. damn
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[22:21:00] dhofstra: if you watch livetv and press record, doesnt this do exactly like a vcr would (except of course you need guide data)
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[22:22:00] Juski: dhofstra: yup.. just that one teeeeeny lickle snafu about needing guide data
[22:22:00] dhofstra: if you intend to use myth without guide data, you dont need to complain about what it cant do.. thats silly
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[22:22:00] dhofstra: myth is a PVR app. PVR apps need guide data
[22:23:00] dhofstra: Juski . .. do you have some moral conflict with getting guide data? or are you just unable to do so?
[22:23:00] rjune: dhofstra: pvr app? I would go with pvr environment
[22:23:00] dhofstra: Damn, this Ford Mustang I got doesnt go fast at all.. silly car thinks I need to give it gas...
[22:24:00] Juski: dhofstra: I'm not the one whining cos I can't use mythtv like a VCR
[22:24:00] dhofstra: oh
[22:24:00] dhofstra: sorry
[22:24:00] rjune: LOL
[22:24:00] Juski: no problem
[22:24:00] dhofstra: rjune how about HTPCDVR
[22:24:00] rjune: sure, whyt nto
[22:24:00] dhofstra: or GNUHTPCDVR
[22:24:00] Juski: while we're on the subject though.. why not make mythtv record CCTV too?
[22:24:00] ** Juski ducks **
[22:25:00] rjune: I wanna know how to make a CC file for mplayer
[22:25:00] dhofstra: or GNUHTPCPVR in leet would be G|\|U|-|TPCDVR
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[22:25:00] dhofstra: lol, ok I'll stop
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[22:33:00] Juski: right.. my work is done for the night... see you tomorrow :)
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[22:34:00] riksta: hiya im having problems with the new mythweb-svn saying something about me having the wrong AllowOverride settings but I cant find anywhere to read about how to fix it
[22:34:00] riksta: any ideas?
[22:35:00] Krazylegz: That's an Apache setting.
[22:35:00] riksta: I know but i don't know what to put
[22:36:00] riksta: just AllowOverride all ?
[22:36:00] riksta: guess that worked ;)
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[22:40:00] Krazylegz: That will work, yes.
[22:40:00] Krazylegz: You might want to limit it more if you are using that machine for webserving or on the Internet, and not just for MythTV/MythWeb.
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[22:48:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: is there any way to run mythtv in a window with a border so that I can move it around on the fly
[22:49:00] nuxil: yea.. install kdtv :P
[22:49:00] nuxil: *kdetv
[22:49:00] kormoc: q_u_a_n_t_u_m, use the window mode
[22:49:00] kormoc: it's an option somewhere in the frontend settings
[22:49:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: kormoc, how do I do that?
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[22:49:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: kormoc, : in a configure menu or something
[22:49:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: I have not been able to find it
[22:50:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: I figured it woudl be an option on thecommand line when you launch t
[22:50:00] kormoc: don't think so...
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[22:51:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: ahh think I found it it is
[22:52:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: up it was under the general setup menu thanks
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[22:52:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: it stay the size you launched it as but you can move it around which is what I want
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[22:53:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: wicked now I have two frontends working well
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[23:04:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: it would be cool if there was a way to capture frames as bitmap during playback like you can on some dvd player software
[23:06:00] rjune: q_u_a_n_t_u_m: I believe mplayer can
[23:07:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: yeah but it can't play nuv files right
[23:08:00] q_u_a_n_t_u_m: why does mythtv use nuv format, seems like nothing else supports it
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[23:22:00] jono: woo! got my sound working
[23:22:00] jono: question, in my box I have a single PVR-350 – when a show is recording, it says I can't view the TV because an input is being used – can I record and watch the channel at the same time?
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[23:23:00] kormoc: jono, go to the recorded programs and select the currently recoding one, it will play while it's recording
[23:24:00] jono: ahhh ok
[23:24:00] jono: so, I have tv going to my actual tv, but none of the interface – I believe I need to use the ivtv xserver driver right?
[23:25:00] kormoc: I would venture to say so, aye
[23:25:00] jono: hwo does it differ from the ivtv-fb driver?
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[23:31:00] jono: anyone use ivtv x driver?
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[23:52:00] jono: hi all
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[23:52:00] jono: I think I have the ivtv xdriver working, and it starts x but my tv has a blurred green image -anyone know what settings/resolution I need?
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[23:54:00] jono: anyone?
[23:54:00] jono: anyone use ivtv x driver?
[23:55:00] rjune: there's an X driver for it?
[23:55:00] jono: rjune yep
[23:55:00] rjune: resolution is prolly the PAL res
[23:56:00] jono: and its half working
[23:56:00] jono: what is the pal res?
[23:56:00] jono: I cant really check as I am in the console right now
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[23:58:00] rjune: jono: PAL is your native TV format I think, in North america we get NTSC, which is 320x240
[23:58:00] rjune: this is all from memory, google pal ntsc resolution and you should get it
[23:59:00] jono: rjune yeah we pal here, but could you dig out what it is for me as I have no browser here
[23:59:00] rjune: yeah, give a sec
[23:59:00] jono: cheers :)

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