| Monday, November 28th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | JohnP789: | What's the preferred version of ffmpeg? |
| [00:00:00] | xris: | one not compiled by the distribution itself, so you can get mpeg exporters. |
| [00:00:00] | xris: | mpeg is not gpl compatible. |
| [00:00:00] | JohnP789: | I'm looking for a way to burn both DVD videos and xvid AVI files from nuvexport. |
| [00:00:00] | xris: | try --transcode |
| [00:01:00] | JohnP789: | xris, OK, I've tried building my own ffmpeg. --transcode does work, but it seems slow. |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | though there must be a "restricted" version of ffmpeg out there somewhere. |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | it's all slow |
| [00:01:00] | JohnP789: | hehe |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | ffmpeg is slightly faster for mpeg encoding. |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | its quality on xvid/divx is horrible, though |
| [00:02:00] | JohnP789: | I have a Philips MPEG4-compatible DVD player I'm trying to burn discs for. No luck so far. |
| [00:02:00] | JohnP789: | Any suggestions? --transcode? |
| [00:02:00] | xris: | there's a thing on the mailing list from about a year ago that tells you how to fix the string in the .avi file to make it work on players. |
| [00:02:00] | ** JohnP789 googles.... ** | |
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| [00:07:00] | JohnP789: | xris, Are you talking about "mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy"? |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | no |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | you have to hack the file with a hex editor and change part of the divx file header |
| [00:08:00] | xris: | at least, that's how I remember it |
| [00:08:00] | ** JohnP789 googles some more.... ** | |
| [00:08:00] | xris: | search the mailing list archives, not google |
| [00:08:00] | xris: | or try the model number or brand name of your player. |
| [00:08:00] | ** JohnP789 googles some more using "site:mythtv.org mythtv-dev".... ** | |
| [00:11:00] | xris: | mailing list isn't hosted on mythtv.org |
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| [00:11:00] | xris: | gossamer threads |
| [00:11:00] | JohnP789: | doh. Thanks! |
| [00:11:00] | JohnP789: | Really? |
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| [00:12:00] | xris: | pretty sure it's linked from the "mailing lists" section on mythtv.org |
| [00:16:00] | ** xris feels productive, having actually made some mythweb commits today. ** | |
| [00:20:00] | JohnP789: | xris, I'm not coming up with anything. Happen to remember any specifics? |
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| [00:27:00] | derrickp: | hello, my sound works with mplayer and xine but not with LiveTV. any ideas? |
| [00:28:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah it's in the docs |
| [00:28:00] | derrickp: | oh |
| [00:28:00] | derrickp: | i've looking could you point me where? |
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| [00:30:00] | sphing: | Didn't find any fields in table 'recordedmarkup' |
| [00:30:00] | sphing: | lovely |
| [00:30:00] | Agrajag-: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html |
| [00:36:00] | derrickp: | awesome, it works now. thanks much Agrajag-. |
| [00:38:00] | Agrajag-: | no worries |
| [00:39:00] | derrickp: | now i just need to get the remote working... |
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| [00:40:00] | morphix: | hi guys |
| [00:40:00] | morphix: | I managed to get Mythtv up and running, everything seems ok except I cant watch tv! |
| [00:42:00] | hadees: | morphix, um you need to provide alittle more information then just you can't watch tv |
| [00:43:00] | morphix: | sorry |
| [00:43:00] | ** eidolon retoins. ** | |
| [00:44:00] | morphix: | http://pastebin.ca/31471 |
| [00:44:00] | Agrajag-: | you have different frontend/backend versions happening |
| [00:44:00] | morphix: | I started mythbackend, and then started mythfrontend (on the same machine) |
| [00:44:00] | morphix: | is it? |
| [00:44:00] | eidolon: | hey anyone got a pointer to configuring xmame to resize properly on a low-end tv? the 'low raster' games seem to be forcing the screen to 300 vertical lines, and that's really making things unhappy. tunings to xmamerc are getting 'some'games to resize properly while others break entirely :( |
| [00:44:00] | Agrajag-: | or you dont have the backend going at all |
| [00:45:00] | Agrajag-: | or your ip settings are incorrect |
| [00:45:00] | morphix: | ok that was the frontend output you saw |
| [00:45:00] | morphix: | here is the backend now: |
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| [00:46:00] | morphix: | http://pastebin.ca/31473 |
| [00:47:00] | sphing: | is there a good program for video editing |
| [00:47:00] | morphix: | Movie Maker in Windows XP |
| [00:47:00] | sphing: | ... linux |
| [00:47:00] | morphix: | shrugs |
| [00:48:00] | JohnP789: | Cinelerra? |
| [00:48:00] | morphix: | I wanna watch tv, in bed :-/ |
| [00:48:00] | morphix: | phew, its took me all evening just to get my tvcard sorted out and working |
| [00:49:00] | morphix: | and then to setup mythtv, and now i cant even watch the damn thing |
| [00:49:00] | sphing: | JohnP789: is it decent? |
| [00:50:00] | JohnP789: | sphing, It's very powerful, but it wasn't very stable for me. Supposedly, it's used for production work. |
| [00:50:00] | JohnP789: | sphing, I think QuickTime is the preferred input/output format for it, but it might work with others, too. |
| [00:51:00] | JohnP789: | sphing, Kino is nice, but I think it's limited to DV video. |
| [00:51:00] | sphing: | uh.. no |
| [00:51:00] | sphing: | i need it for myth stuff |
| [00:51:00] | sphing: | i guess i could make a cutlist... export it, then re comflag it |
| [00:52:00] | sphing: | for now |
| [00:53:00] | hadees: | man i wish there was a way mythtv could adjust for football games running long |
| [00:54:00] | morphix: | http://pastebin.ca/31474 any ideas? |
| [00:54:00] | sphing: | hadees: lol |
| [00:54:00] | sphing: | giants? |
| [00:54:00] | hadees: | sphing, yeah, i am actually watching the game but now after it all my shows are going to be screwed up |
| [00:54:00] | SqWaw: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/TpoPKk14.html |
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| [00:55:00] | sphing: | morphix: .... something is your conf |
| [00:55:00] | SqWaw: | Anyone know why qmake wont work? |
| [00:57:00] | morphix: | any ideas? |
| [00:57:00] | sphing: | your environment variables are fuxed |
| [00:57:00] | morphix: | ah |
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| [00:57:00] | morphix: | how to fix that? |
| [00:57:00] | sphing: | that was for SqWaw |
| [00:57:00] | morphix: | oh |
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| [00:58:00] | sphing: | morphix: your xorg.conf or XF86config are messed up |
| [00:58:00] | morphix: | damn |
| [00:58:00] | SqWaw: | shpi: so, what to do? |
| [00:58:00] | morphix: | how so? |
| [00:58:00] | SqWaw: | sphing, so, what to do? * |
| [00:58:00] | sphing: | SqWaw: are you running this a root |
| [00:59:00] | SqWaw: | yes |
| [00:59:00] | sphing: | morphix: find the device that matches that information in your conf file and play ith it |
| [00:59:00] | morphix: | i didnt know i need to alter XF86Config to get MythTV to work |
| [00:59:00] | sphing: | SqWaw: you su'ed didnt you? |
| [00:59:00] | morphix: | I dunno what device its referring to |
| [00:59:00] | sphing: | morphix: wait... you can get into X... |
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| [01:00:00] | SqWaw: | sphing, Nope |
| [01:00:00] | morphix: | yeah, I got X running, and the backend and the frontend are running ok |
| [01:00:00] | SqWaw: | ssh'd right into root |
| [01:01:00] | morphix: | frontend doesnt seem to connect tho to master |
| [01:01:00] | sphing: | hadees: I hope you arent a giants fan |
| [01:03:00] | sphing: | SqWaw: have you googled that error |
| [01:04:00] | SqWaw: | Yep |
| [01:04:00] | sphing: | theres 100+ results |
| [01:04:00] | SqWaw: | im confused tho |
| [01:04:00] | hadees: | sphing, i am a redskins fan |
| [01:04:00] | morphix: | cant connect to backend from frontend :-( |
| [01:04:00] | hadees: | i want the giants to loose |
| [01:04:00] | hadees: | althoug hit won't do my team much good |
| [01:04:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 01:05:10.532 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.2:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [01:04:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 01:05:30.537 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| [01:05:00] | sphing: | hadees: well im a dolphins fan... so i'm going for a draft pick |
| [01:05:00] | sphing: | SqWaw: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-qu . . . /078150.html |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | sphing, you should be hoping for a draft pick in 2008 |
| [01:06:00] | SqWaw: | buuuut |
| [01:06:00] | SqWaw: | thats a freebsd list |
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| [01:06:00] | SqWaw: | export QMAKESPEC=freebsd-g++ |
| [01:06:00] | SqWaw: | should it be gentoo-g++ ? |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | although the dolphins have been getting better haven't they? |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | they used to be god awful |
| [01:06:00] | sphing: | SqWaw: well you know wants wrong at least |
| [01:06:00] | hadees: | Giants loose |
| [01:07:00] | sphing: | root@dell Movies # echo $QMAKESPEC |
| [01:07:00] | sphing: | linux-g++ |
| [01:07:00] | SqWaw: | okay |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | gentoo-g++? |
| [01:07:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:08:00] | sphing: | Didn't find any fields in table 'recordedmarkup' |
| [01:08:00] | sphing: | thats my sql error |
| [01:09:00] | kormoc: | sounds like your db is corrupted or wasn't created properly |
| [01:09:00] | morphix: | when I go to watch tv on frontend i get a black screen for like 5 seconds, then: |
| [01:09:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 01:10:08.288 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| [01:09:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 01:10:08.289 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [01:09:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 01:10:08.289 Changing from None to None |
| [01:09:00] | morphix: | any ideas? |
| [01:10:00] | sphing: | kormoc: yea i know... but it happened after a reboot |
| [01:10:00] | sphing: | and everything works fine |
| [01:10:00] | sphing: | weird |
| [01:10:00] | sphing: | morphix: run it in verbose |
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| [01:11:00] | morphix: | im wondering if my tvcard device is right |
| [01:12:00] | morphix: | how to run in verbose? |
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| [01:13:00] | morphix: | hi |
| [01:14:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 00:57:26.444 Enabled verbose msgs : important general |
| [01:14:00] | sphing: | morphix: -v all |
| [01:15:00] | morphix: | black screen + 2005-11–28 01:15:24.241 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.2:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | morphix, sounds like you have a issue connecting to your backend server |
| [01:15:00] | morphix: | yeah I think its an issue connecting to backend |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | just as your error message says. |
| [01:16:00] | morphix: | could be connection related, or the video device? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | why would it be the video device? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | does it ever sucessfully connect? |
| [01:16:00] | morphix: | i dunno |
| [01:16:00] | morphix: | nope |
| [01:16:00] | morphix: | not even once |
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| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | so then, why would you assume it's the video when you have a known issue connecting? |
| [01:16:00] | morphix: | should I change IP to local? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | I donno, depends on how you have your things setup |
| [01:17:00] | morphix: | well, i have backend and frontend on same machine |
| [01:17:00] | morphix: | no firewall to worry about |
| [01:17:00] | morphix: | so I should be able to connect eh |
| [01:18:00] | morphix: | someone mention X config |
| [01:18:00] | morphix: | what would I need to alter in that? |
| [01:19:00] | sphing: | morphix: nevermind... i thought that was a X error |
| [01:19:00] | sphing: | not a myth error\ |
| [01:19:00] | morphix: | ok |
| [01:20:00] | morphix: | Running as a slave backend. |
| [01:20:00] | morphix: | 005-11–28 00:57:27.461 Connecting to master server: 192.168.1.2:6543 |
| [01:20:00] | morphix: | 2005-11–28 00:57:27.475 Connected successfully |
| [01:20:00] | morphix: | does this make sense to you guys? |
| [01:21:00] | morphix: | why is there two progs, mythtv and mythfrontend, both seem to be same? |
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| [01:31:00] | sphing: | all new recordings have messed up times |
| [01:35:00] | SqWaw: | mythtv fails to compile: http://pastebin.ca/31476 |
| [01:35:00] | SqWaw: | whats wrong here? |
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| [01:42:00] | morphix: | ok i give up |
| [01:42:00] | morphix: | nite all |
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| [01:50:00] | cwsmith: | anyone play with fc4 with htimming with a PVR350 ? |
| [01:50:00] | cwsmith: | or timmings in general :) |
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| [02:00:00] | a1fa|64: | dude |
| [02:00:00] | a1fa|64: | guide keeps freezing up |
| [02:00:00] | a1fa|64: | it opens up on channel 2 |
| [02:00:00] | a1fa|64: | and then i go down two to channel 4 |
| [02:00:00] | a1fa|64: | and all my controls freeze expet exit |
| [02:02:00] | Kury: | have you restarted X? |
| [02:02:00] | SqWaw: | mythtv fails to compile: http://pastebin.ca/31476 whats wrong here? |
| [02:03:00] | a1fa|64: | wll reboot fixed the problem :P |
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| [02:05:00] | Kury: | a1fa I would just hit ctrl+alt+backspace... to reboot xwindows.. |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | i dont have a keyboard there |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | ;P |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | stand-allone box |
| [02:06:00] | Kury: | if that doesn't do it.. you could try rebooting... or just restart the myth services.. mysql... and whatnot.. |
| [02:06:00] | Kury: | lirc.. |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | well |
| [02:06:00] | Kury: | reboot it is.. (or ssh in) |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | i had to ssh to it |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | ;P |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | and reboot it |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | one more thing |
| [02:06:00] | Kury: | yup. |
| [02:06:00] | a1fa|64: | sometimes the sound is messed up |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | i have PVR-500 |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | and sometimes when i use guide, and then tune into a channel |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | the sound is all choppy and messed up |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | so i have to exit |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | and go back into "watch tv" |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | in order for sound to be back at nomral |
| [02:07:00] | Kury: | I have no idea... (I don't actualy use myth..) |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | :P |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa|64: | lol |
| [02:08:00] | a1fa|64: | what do you use? |
| [02:08:00] | Kury: | nothing.. I just hang out here because I deal w/ some of the same programs the myth ppl use.. |
| [02:08:00] | Kury: | lirc.. transcode...mplayer & such.. |
| [02:08:00] | Kury: | gui/programming idea.. |
| [02:08:00] | Kury: | ideas |
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| [02:08:00] | a1fa|64: | weeerd, but ok |
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| [02:11:00] | Kury: | :P I'm working on setting up a jukebox/tv/lirc deal... so... |
| [02:11:00] | Kury: | thats why I hide out here.. |
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| [02:11:00] | psofa: | well thats higly offtopic but do i need a full featured card for vdr? |
| [02:12:00] | Kury: | vdr? |
| [02:12:00] | kormoc: | psofa, full featured as opposed to? |
| [02:13:00] | Kury: | not so featured? |
| [02:13:00] | Kury: | kinda featured? |
| [02:13:00] | psofa: | a card that has a decoder and a tvout |
| [02:13:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [02:13:00] | kormoc: | ahh, well, there's a list of cards that work on myth's page |
| [02:13:00] | kormoc: | and no, you can use a software encoder card (not worth it, but you can) or a hardware encoder iwthout the decoder |
| [02:13:00] | psofa: | myth's page says which cards work on vdr? :D |
| [02:14:00] | ojin: | you can use xine with vdr and a budget card |
| [02:14:00] | a1fa|64: | :) |
| [02:14:00] | Kury: | buy a 350.. |
| [02:14:00] | kormoc: | psofa, myth is a vdr percey, unless you're talking bout a different peice of software |
| [02:14:00] | psofa: | yeah right |
| [02:14:00] | ojin: | hes talkin DVB |
| [02:14:00] | psofa: | ill sell a leg and buy it |
| [02:15:00] | psofa: | im talking about video disk recorder |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | the 350 isn't that much at all. |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | anyway... |
| [02:15:00] | psofa: | http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/index.htm |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | ahh, no ideas |
| [02:15:00] | psofa: | :D |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | I doubt anyone here has done anything like that |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | given we all run myth |
| [02:16:00] | ojin: | i have used vdr |
| [02:16:00] | SqWaw: | Anyone feel like helping me out?? |
| [02:16:00] | SqWaw: | http://pastebin.ca/31476 |
| [02:16:00] | SqWaw: | whats wrong here ^? |
| [02:16:00] | kormoc: | and looking at the screenshots, myth is more featured and what not |
| [02:16:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:17:00] | psofa: | well excuse me but for dvb uses mythtv seems lacking |
| [02:17:00] | kormoc: | SqWaw, you don't have qt-mt installed |
| [02:17:00] | psofa: | at least in stable version |
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| [02:18:00] | kormoc: | psofa, they redid the entire dvb code for the next release |
| [02:18:00] | ojin: | its still real buggy right now :) |
| [02:18:00] | SqWaw: | kormoc, do you know the ebuild name for gentoo? its not qt-mt |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | you need to compile qt with the correct use flags set |
| [02:20:00] | SqWaw: | What use flags would those be |
| [02:20:00] | kormoc: | SqWaw, in this case, you need the mysql flag |
| [02:20:00] | SqWaw: | okay |
| [02:20:00] | Kury: | excuse my stupidity guys.. but what does this vdr do that myth doesn't do for ya? |
| [02:20:00] | SqWaw: | my make.conf has the mysql use flag in the first place thought.... |
| [02:20:00] | kormoc: | SqWaw, emerge -pv qt |
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| [02:21:00] | SqWaw: | [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8 +cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird +gif -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 +mysql -nas -odbc +opengl -postgres -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB |
| [02:21:00] | surye: | Is there any way to watch live-tv or a currently recording program from a windows machine? |
| [02:21:00] | SqWaw: | +mysql is there... |
| [02:21:00] | SqWaw: | +imqt probably? |
| [02:21:00] | SqWaw: | right? |
| [02:22:00] | kormoc: | SqWaw, I have these useflags set: x11-libs/qt-4.0.1 -accessibility -cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird +gif +jpeg +mng +mysql -nas -nis -odbc +opengl +png -postgres +sqlite +xinerama +zlib |
| [02:23:00] | SqWaw: | should i do: |
| [02:23:00] | SqWaw: | # USE="-accessibility -cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird +gif +jpeg +mng +mysql -nas -nis -odbc +opengl +png -postgres +sqlite +xinerama +zlib" emerge qt |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | notice that #? |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | that means it's a comment and won't work |
| [02:23:00] | SqWaw: | root |
| [02:23:00] | cwsmith: | anyone have problems with sizeing x and pvr350 interlace problems :) |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | anyway |
| [02:23:00] | SqWaw: | root prompt |
| [02:23:00] | surye: | No, you should be using /etc/portage/package.use |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | easier would be |
| [02:23:00] | cwsmith: | everything i have read and tryied has not worked :( |
| [02:23:00] | surye: | =P |
| [02:23:00] | kormoc: | what surye said |
| [02:23:00] | SqWaw: | surye, and hows thaT? |
| [02:23:00] | surye: | man portage |
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| [02:24:00] | kormoc: | echo "x11-libs/qt gif mng mysql opengl png sqlite zlib" >> /etc/portage/package.use |
| [02:24:00] | Kury: | What video format(s) can myth record to.. I'm thinking about setting up a mythbox but I'm not sure |
| [02:24:00] | SqWaw: | Yea i got it :) |
| [02:24:00] | kormoc: | then everytime you emerge qt, with a update or what not, it will use those flags |
| [02:25:00] | kormoc: | Kury, myth uses rtjpeg/mpeg4 for software encoders or mpeg2 for hardware encoders |
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| [02:25:00] | kormoc: | Kury, the software encoders are enclosed in a nuv container |
| [02:25:00] | Kury: | kormoc the haupauge 350 is hardware encode isn't it? |
| [02:25:00] | kormoc: | surye, btw, winmyth is a windows 'port' of myth, but it doesn't work well at all |
| [02:25:00] | kormoc: | Kury, correct |
| [02:26:00] | surye: | Yea, especially when I follow the svn version =P |
| [02:26:00] | Kury: | kormoc: and is that the video format that the files stay in? .. so I can archive them?? (someone told me myth used some wierd video format..) |
| [02:26:00] | Kury: | but thats been a few years back.. |
| [02:26:00] | kormoc: | Kury, software cards are in a nuv container, so yeah, they are weird |
| [02:27:00] | kormoc: | Kury, hardware cards are direct to disk, so yeah, they stay as mpeg2 |
| [02:27:00] | kormoc: | Kury, nuvexport is a nice set of scripts that make archiving nice and easy |
| [02:27:00] | SqWaw: | kormoc, surye, thanks we'll see if this works |
| [02:27:00] | Kury: | is nuv the filetype for the software cards? |
| [02:27:00] | surye: | kormoc: I use mythweb for recorded shows, but live and recording won't work.. oh well, they can live with it =P |
| [02:27:00] | kormoc: | Kury, no, it's a video/audio format container, i.e. video.nuv |
| [02:28:00] | Kury: | I'm not following you.. you said no.. but then you say i.e. video.nuv.. :P |
| [02:28:00] | kormoc: | Kury, oops, yes, I misread what you said as filesystem :P |
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| [02:29:00] | kormoc: | Kury, reading up on rieserfs, so my minds on FS's :P |
| [02:29:00] | Kury: | so they store as a nuv file type? correct? |
| [02:29:00] | Kury: | lol |
| [02:29:00] | kormoc: | yes |
| [02:29:00] | Kury: | reiser is good shit.. |
| [02:29:00] | kormoc: | until it barfs on ya :P |
| [02:29:00] | Kury: | hope not.. |
| [02:30:00] | Kury: | what capture card are you running? |
| [02:30:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it's toast as far as I can tell, bout 500 gb of data |
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| [02:30:00] | kormoc: | I use a m179, which is a rebranded 250 |
| [02:30:00] | Kury: | haupauge 250? |
| [02:30:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [02:31:00] | Kury: | any idea of the video out is supported on the 350's yet? |
| [02:31:00] | Kury: | or the radio?? :) |
| [02:31:00] | kormoc: | video out has been supported for a long time |
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| [02:31:00] | kormoc: | the radio works fine too, afaik, but myth doesn't suport radio usage |
| [02:31:00] | kormoc: | and if you're using the radio, you can't use the tv |
| [02:31:00] | Kury: | off the card? ...hummm.. maybe it was direct output to the cards output.. |
| [02:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Someone was considering starting MythRadio. |
| [02:32:00] | Kury: | how about... MythMagic |
| [02:32:00] | surye: | Someone did start it |
| [02:32:00] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, a lot of people have, and a few tried. I even got it working slightly, before the issues of scheduling make it way too complicated |
| [02:32:00] | kormoc: | Kury, heh, direct output to the card works as well, afaik, but it's only certain formats and what not |
| [02:33:00] | Kury: | certain formats?? how so? |
| [02:33:00] | kormoc: | Kury, you'd have to look it up, I'd venture to say, to make sure. |
| [02:33:00] | Kury: | what formats does the card have to worry about? |
| [02:33:00] | kormoc: | Kury, it is a hardware mpeg2 decoder |
| [02:33:00] | dev-: | Kury: still at it? heh |
| [02:33:00] | Krazylegz: | I would like radio, but streaming Internet radio works well enough for me. |
| [02:33:00] | Kury: | O.. no I was talking.. direct TV in through coax.. and out... the s-video/rca port.. |
| [02:33:00] | kormoc: | Kury, it was ment to output only mpeg2, but I beleive it's all hacked to work with myth fine, not sure aobut other things tho. |
| [02:34:00] | Kury: | sup.. dev.. |
| [02:34:00] | kormoc: | Kury, ooh, uhh... |
| [02:34:00] | kormoc: | likly not, as you can do the same with a vcr perfectly fine and way cheaper |
| [02:34:00] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: The tv-out works with framebuffer if you want to do non-MPEG2 output. |
| [02:34:00] | dev-: | Krazylegz: ahh, thats cool |
| [02:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | The drivers support a limited XV output, so performance using the 350 to output regular content isn't horrible naymore |
| [02:34:00] | dev-: | Krazylegz: i havent looked into how it does it, i just know it works fine heh |
| [02:34:00] | Kury: | kormoc: true... |
| [02:35:00] | Krazylegz: | dev-: You mean the tv-out with non-MPEG2 content? |
| [02:35:00] | dev-: | Krazylegz: yeah. |
| [02:35:00] | Krazylegz: | dev-: Yeah, but I wouldn't do it. The performance sucked, and the quality of it wasn't so great. |
| [02:35:00] | k-man: | whats the stability of svn like at the moment? |
| [02:35:00] | Krazylegz: | dev-: I ended up buying a box with tv-out. |
| [02:35:00] | k-man: | good enough for production use? |
| [02:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Krazylegz: I don't know how long ago you trying, but it's been greatly improved by the added XV support to the ivtv driver |
| [02:36:00] | kormoc: | k-man, lots of people use it, but there are issues from time to time afaik |
| [02:36:00] | Kury: | kormoc: yeah.. look all the havoc I've created w/ this topic... (now we're getting into all the stuff I've heard..) |
| [02:36:00] | k-man: | kormoc, yeah, as i suspected |
| [02:36:00] | k-man: | i think i'll have to wait for the next stable version |
| [02:37:00] | k-man: | the gf doesn't like it if the "tv" is broken |
| [02:37:00] | dev-: | hopefully new stable soon |
| [02:37:00] | cwsmith: | when someone gets a chance i need some help with my pvr350 fc4 :) |
| [02:37:00] | k-man: | dev-, is that just a hope or is there some inside info behind your statement? |
| [02:37:00] | dev-: | just a hope |
| [02:37:00] | Kury: | k-man: she doesn't like it when you have to fight w/ drivers all day either.. |
| [02:37:00] | kormoc: | cwsmith, you really should just ask, if anyone can help, they will |
| [02:37:00] | dev-: | there have been alot of improvements, so i would hope for a new release soon. |
| [02:37:00] | k-man: | Kury, yeah, thats true |
| [02:38:00] | cwsmith: | :) |
| [02:38:00] | k-man: | dev-, yeah, i noticed there is a new myth burn plugin thing to burn dvds which looks good |
| [02:38:00] | cwsmith: | ok well here goes i have a pvr350 and on the tv its not that clear kinda like blury 1st problem |
| [02:38:00] | Kury: | OOOO DVD Burnner support! |
| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythburn is not a part of myth actually |
| [02:38:00] | Krazylegz: | GreyFoxx: I guess it was about 2 years ago now? |
| [02:38:00] | cwsmith: | or like kinda pixaly or something like that |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Krazylegz: It's very different not |
| [02:39:00] | cwsmith: | i am running tvout through the pvr350 |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | now |
| [02:39:00] | dev-: | cwswith: thats good it works. now begins the "tweak your settings" period :) |
| [02:40:00] | cwsmith: | like i guess where should i beging i have set evething in recorded prefs to dvd-special1 |
| [02:40:00] | dev-: | Setup->tv settings->recording profiles will now be your new friend |
| [02:40:00] | cwsmith: | which i thought would help |
| [02:41:00] | cwsmith: | and also the display is always out of the X (i tried everthing like playing with gui x and y stuff which helps but then i get the FC like start bar at the bottom in the way (and yes its in non windowed) |
| [02:42:00] | dev-: | i had to fiddle around with those settings for a while then finally settled on what looked good hehe |
| [02:42:00] | cwsmith: | so was there anything special you did to clear it up or just mess with those settings ? |
| [02:42:00] | dev-: | nvidia cards have special options for that problem |
| [02:43:00] | cwsmith: | k well the options done work cause i am going through tvout on the 350 so its dependent on frambuffer settings |
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| [02:43:00] | cwsmith: | i did however try to play with fbset |
| [02:43:00] | dev-: | thats a good point haha. |
| [02:43:00] | cwsmith: | so i can play with like htimmins and stuff but whenever i apply something and reboot it just goes back to the old setting |
| [02:43:00] | cwsmith: | even if i put the command in the xorg.conf and in /etc/rc.local :) |
| [02:44:00] | dev-: | what about the xinit for the user you're running mythfrontend as? |
| [02:44:00] | cwsmith: | the only file i have played with is /etc/X11/xorg.conf is there one for mythtv (the user i am loggin in as) |
| [02:45:00] | dev-: | there's an xinit you can put stuff in for x, dunno if thats where you put it or not, id have to look on google. |
| [02:45:00] | dev-: | but im not gonna do that, no offense lol. so, dunno |
| [02:45:00] | cwsmith: | lol |
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| [02:46:00] | dev-: | overscan is an x problem not a mythtv problem |
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| [02:46:00] | cwsmith: | well any clue why when you issuse a command like fbset -fb /dev/fb1 |
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| [02:46:00] | cwsmith: | which will show the correct setting of htimming and stuff applied |
| [02:47:00] | cwsmith: | but if you change those settgins like fbset -fb /dev/fb1 -hslen 116 the 116 will not stay it will change once rebooted ? |
| [02:47:00] | cwsmith: | or like if i change htimmings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf they dont stay either they will stay in file but will not change in X |
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| [02:50:00] | loopdee: | im about to download mythtv from the web site... should i ? is there anything i need to know first? |
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| [02:51:00] | Krazylegz: | loopdee: LOTS. |
| [02:51:00] | loopdee: | :0 |
| [02:53:00] | surye: | Hmm.. is there any way to have the commercials actually cut out automatically after mythcommflag runs? |
| [02:53:00] | Kury: | what is mythcommflag? |
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| [02:54:00] | loopdee: | Krazylegz: looks liek it... |
| [02:54:00] | alex777: | I have a problem when turning on Live TV |
| [02:54:00] | alex777: | screen goes black and X crashes |
| [02:55:00] | alex777: | I'm using a pvr250 and a geforce2 for output |
| [02:55:00] | loopdee: | brb |
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| [02:55:00] | Krazylegz: | loopdee: Which distro? |
| [02:56:00] | alex777: | one of the last error messages I see on the terminal before X crashes is "couldn't get the color key color" |
| [02:58:00] | alex777: | anyone ? |
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| [03:04:00] | IA-Outdoors: | hey, irrecord complains that lircd isn't running so I think something is really messed up (gentoo 2.6.13 lirc 0.7.2) how do I troubleshoot the daemon itself? |
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| [03:05:00] | loopdee: | should i install the ati drivers before install mythtv or not? |
| [03:06:00] | Agrajag-: | IA-Outdoors: is lircd running? |
| [03:06:00] | IA-Outdoors: | loopdee: yes |
| [03:06:00] | loopdee: | i wa safraid of that |
| [03:06:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Agrajag-: well, the init.d script says so |
| [03:06:00] | Agrajag-: | IA-Outdoors: that is no indication that it is currently running |
| [03:06:00] | IA-Outdoors: | but I don't think it is |
| [03:06:00] | \Grooby\_: | having trouble w/ lirc and gentoo 2.6.13? or .14? |
| [03:06:00] | IA-Outdoors: | lol, exactly |
| [03:08:00] | Agrajag-: | IA-Outdoors: start lircd with -n, then use irw to connect to it. no doubt it'll die because it can't findt he right device |
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| [03:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Agrajag-: precisely "lircd-0.7.2[7248]: could not open /dev/lirc" |
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| [03:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | "lircd-0.7.2[7248]: default_init(): Is a directory" |
| [03:10:00] | Agrajag-: | IA-Outdoors: well it's trying to use the wrong device |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | CD TOR |
| [03:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [03:10:00] | IA-Outdoors: | Agrajag-: hrm, k, how do I know what the 'right' device is? |
| [03:11:00] | itsonlyme: | hi |
| [03:11:00] | jams: | do you have a /dev/lirc/0 ? |
| [03:11:00] | itsonlyme: | I am trying to install the ivtv module as per the mythtv wiki guide. I ran into a problem when I modprobed the new module "FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10–686/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Invalid module format" Anyone know how to fix this? |
| [03:11:00] | IA-Outdoors: | jams: yes |
| [03:11:00] | IA-Outdoors: | so how do I tell lircd to use it? |
| [03:12:00] | jams: | lircd -d /dev/lirc/0 |
| [03:14:00] | IA-Outdoors: | jams: you, by chance, aren't a gentoo user, are you? |
| [03:14:00] | IA-Outdoors: | apparently my init.d script isn't right |
| [03:14:00] | jams: | nope won't touch gentoo |
| [03:15:00] | jams: | but if I were you I would look to see if you have a file in /etc/conf.d/lirc* |
| [03:15:00] | jams: | just a guess |
| [03:15:00] | IA-Outdoors: | jams: you da man |
| [03:15:00] | IA-Outdoors: | all I need to do is 'fix' it I bet |
| [03:18:00] | itsonlyme: | Does everyone use ivtv modules? Is there an alternative? |
| [03:19:00] | Dagmar: | ivtv works fine for me |
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| [03:20:00] | itsonlyme: | I keep geting invalid module format errors when I try to modprbe it... |
| [03:23:00] | poop: | itsonlyme: You probably used the wrong version of gcc to compile it. |
| [03:23:00] | poop: | Well, wrong in that it differs from what your kernel was compiled with. |
| [03:24:00] | itsonlyme: | I used gcc4 because thats what make defaulted to. Then I noticed an error about gcc3.4, and tried it... How do I know which one to use? And how do I force the make script to use it? |
| [03:25:00] | poop: | CC="gcc-3.3" make |
| [03:25:00] | IA-Outdoors: | k, now that lircd seems to be working fine (confirmed with irw) how do I tell mythtv to use it? It doesn't work on the menu at all so I assume that there is a setting to tell it which IR device to be watching? |
| [03:25:00] | itsonlyme: | I'll try that thanks. |
| [03:26:00] | poop: | np |
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| [03:27:00] | IA-Outdoors: | jams: any idea? I do have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [03:27:00] | alex777: | can anyone help me with my problem ? |
| [03:28:00] | poop: | alex777: Do the regular pvr250 tests work? |
| [03:29:00] | itsonlyme: | poop, is this the command "# CC="gcc-3.3" make && sudo CC="gcc-3.3" make install" ? |
| [03:30:00] | alex777: | I'm trying right now to output from /dev/video0 to a file and see if that works |
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| [03:30:00] | alex777: | but I notice that right before X crashes I hear the sound from the channel, for 1–2 seconds, and then it goes black |
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| [03:35:00] | alex777: | it appears that the problem is with the tvout settings |
| [03:35:00] | alex777: | even when I try to watch the recorded mpeg file X crashes |
| [03:36:00] | alex777: | I use an nvidia geforce2 mx400 as a video card, on ubantu 5.10 |
| [03:36:00] | xanderp: | ok, so how old a version of kernel do i need to revert to in gentoo to get lirc to compile correctly? My brand new 2.6.14-r2 seems to hate lirc... |
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| [03:42:00] | itsonlyme: | poop, the make picked the correct version of gcc. I forgot to copy the file to the correct directory after they were compiled. User error. |
| [03:42:00] | itsonlyme: | thanks |
| [03:43:00] | Adaba: | is anyone using a gigabit ethernet card? Or happen to know any that will run under linux? Google isnt turning up much... |
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| [03:49:00] | jb2: | i was wondering if mythtv supports live tv across a distributed setup ? |
| [03:49:00] | Agrajag-: | yes |
| [03:50:00] | Agrajag-: | you need multiple cards though of course |
| [03:50:00] | IA-Outdoors: | what is the first thing I can check when mythsetup won't even load the gui? the cli I run it from says it establishes a DB connection and then it hangs |
| [03:50:00] | jb2: | Agrajag-, so I can have say a mythtv box downstairs hooked up to the satellite receiver, and another mythtv box upstairs connected to a separate tv, and the tv upstairs can view the live tv from the mythtv box downstairs? |
| [03:50:00] | Agrajag-: | jb2: yes |
| [03:50:00] | Agrajag-: | that's the whole idea.. |
| [03:51:00] | jb2: | Agrajag-, excellent.. saves me knocking a hole in the wall to find a bad splitter :) |
| [03:51:00] | IA-Outdoors: | it's clearly not a X issue |
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| [03:51:00] | IA-Outdoors: | ...and it was working before all the lirc problems |
| [03:52:00] | simcop2387: | Adaba: check out the driver support in the kernel, other than that it should work fine |
| [03:52:00] | xanderp: | does LIRC still work in gentoo kernel as recent as 2.6.13-r5? I can't get it to compile in 2.6.14-r2 and there's a known bug, so I'm wondering how far back in the kernels I need to go to get it working. |
| [03:52:00] | IA-Outdoors: | xanderp: that'll work fine |
| [03:52:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I'm using that very kernel |
| [03:52:00] | xanderp: | sweet, thanks |
| [03:52:00] | simcop2387: | xanderp: should work with 2.6.13, 2.6.14 is only fixed in lirc's cvs tree |
| [03:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | xanderp: note this, though |
| [03:53:00] | jb2: | Agrajag-, i've got a Hauppauge 350 card in the one mythtv box now, along with an asus video card doing tv out, do I need something like the 350 in the client box upstairs that'll just be outputting to the tv, or would something cheaper work just as well ? |
| [03:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | /etc/conf.d/lirc lists the device wrong |
| [03:53:00] | xanderp: | i tried to put in 0.7.3pre1 but it is broken for me too |
| [03:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | it has /dev/lirc0....I have pvr-250 and it had to be /dev/lirc/0 |
| [03:53:00] | IA-Outdoors: | xanderp: I'm using 0.7.2 fine |
| [03:53:00] | xanderp: | i had that before... not a problem |
| [03:54:00] | xanderp: | (the /dev misname problem that is) |
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| [03:54:00] | IA-Outdoors: | xanderp: wish the guys would let us edit the gentoo wiki on it |
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| [03:54:00] | IA-Outdoors: | stuff like that is *very* annoying |
| [03:54:00] | xanderp: | wish the guys would fix closed captions... |
| [03:55:00] | IA-Outdoors: | where does mythtv keep all it's config settings from mythsetup? |
| [03:55:00] | IA-Outdoors: | in the DB? |
| [03:55:00] | ** xanderp isn't a programmer, nor does he play one on tv... ** | |
| [03:56:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes, in the DB in the settings table. |
| [03:56:00] | IA-Outdoors: | thx |
| [03:56:00] | xanderp: | kernel builds take sooooo long on my epia... (sigh) I wish i didn't have so many problems with distcc... |
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| [03:57:00] | itsonlyme: | Hi again. |
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| [04:00:00] | itsonlyme: | I have good news and bad news. I have a great picture now, but no sound unless I plug the speakers directly into the pci tuner board. I think I have two options I have a cross plug that I guess can plug my tuner into my sound card, or there seems to be audio hardware built into the card, by looking at gnome's device manager, and audio manager. Could someone please advise me as how to set the audio up? |
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| [04:05:00] | Agrajag-: | jb2: just use a cheap video card with tv out. |
| [04:05:00] | xanderp: | jb2: or use a cheap mobo that has tvout (epia?) |
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| [04:07:00] | xanderp: | i don't really need a tuner in my frontend, but I don't have any other IR receivers for LIRC to control the frontend with. Shame really, I would like to put all my tuners in the AMD64 box... |
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| [04:08:00] | fatmatt: | itsonlyme: I've got a bt878 card thats like that, I've gone the cross plug into a sound card |
| [04:08:00] | itsonlyme: | how do you tell linux to play the tv tuners sound? |
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| [04:09:00] | fatmatt: | itsonlyme: there should be a device for it somewhere /dev/dsp1..2 etc.. try playing music through the various audio devices until you track it down? |
| [04:10:00] | itsonlyme: | I'll give it a shot |
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| [04:10:00] | fatmatt: | then there should be an option somewhere to use that as a capture device, maybe set it up to capture in alsamixer or aumix |
| [04:11:00] | fatmatt: | It's been a while since I did that though, YMMV |
| [04:12:00] | itsonlyme: | Alsa mixer sees my tuner as a sound card... I just know know how to make it play though the speakers.... I dont think the cross over cable is needed. |
| [04:15:00] | fatmatt: | F4 in alsamixer shows captute devices I think, is it set to capture? |
| [04:16:00] | jb2: | xanderp, what about this MediaMVP box, http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/ says you can use it to view live tv off a myth tv box, any idea if you can change the channel using the mediamvp box, or are you stuck watching whatever the mythtv box is tuned into? |
| [04:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | jb2: You can change channels |
| [04:17:00] | jb2: | GreyFoxx, excellent thanks |
| [04:17:00] | surye: | Hmm.. is there any way to have the commercials actually cut out automatically after mythcommflag runs? |
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| [04:18:00] | itsonlyme: | It only shows the soundcard... |
| [04:18:00] | itsonlyme: | huh |
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| [04:44:00] | xadin5: | hi |
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| [04:45:00] | xadin: | has anyone tried integrating a mythtv box with security systems, for example Elk security systems, Geovision, etc.. ? |
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| [04:52:00] | xanderp: | ok, i rebuilt my kernel at 2.6.13-r5 and build lirc 0.7.2, i can successfully modprobe lirc_i2c and get both that and lirc_dev to load, but I still don't get a /dev/lirc... (anything) to show up in the /dev folder... |
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| [05:05:00] | simcop2387: | well i've observed one problem with tcrequant and mythtv is that the requanted files don't always seek properly |
| [05:05:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | did you rebuild the seektable after running tcrequant? |
| [05:05:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | might be a good idea. |
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| [05:06:00] | simcop2387: | Captain_Murdoch: not sure how |
| [05:06:00] | Netslayer: | i just stuck in a pvr250 mpeg2 card, picture is nice and crisp but the UI is black and white and flickers the display |
| [05:06:00] | Netslayer: | any ideas? it worked fine when i had the bttv capture card |
| [05:06:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythcommflag --chanid CHANID --starttime YYYYMMDDHHMMSS --rebuild |
| [05:07:00] | simcop2387: | Netslayer: sounds like you're using xvmc |
| [05:07:00] | Netslayer: | simcop2387, hrm how do i disable that |
| [05:07:00] | Netslayer: | is that a build flag? |
| [05:08:00] | simcop2387: | Netslayer: its an option under mythfrontend->setup->tv settings->playback somewhere in there |
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| [05:09:00] | Netslayer: | simcop2387, nice |
| [05:09:00] | Netslayer: | thx.. do i need to leave on de interlacing filters? i'm mixing bttv/mpeg2 capture cards |
| [05:09:00] | simcop2387: | Captain_Murdoch: this isn't commercial skipping this is normal seeking |
| [05:09:00] | simcop2387: | Netslayer: that'd be up to you |
| [05:10:00] | Netslayer: | which gives the best picture for the pvr250, linear blend? |
| [05:10:00] | simcop2387: | usually |
| [05:10:00] | Netslayer: | gosh i can't stare at my normal tv anymore.. i've been spoiled |
| [05:10:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | simcop2387: I know, but mythcommflag is the tool you need to use to rebuild the seektable. believe me, I wrote the code. |
| [05:10:00] | Flimzy: | Can anyone tell me how much of a CPU is required for HD playback? Will an Athlon XP 2400+ have enough guts to do it with a GeForce 6200? |
| [05:12:00] | eidolon: | yes. |
| [05:12:00] | eidolon: | owait |
| [05:12:00] | eidolon: | hd? |
| [05:12:00] | eidolon: | dunno. |
| [05:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | simcop2387: the reason it is in mythcommflag is that you need a seektable in order to skip commercials effectively, so mythcommflag can also be used to make sure you have one |
| [05:12:00] | Flimzy: | I also have an Athlon 64 x2 3800+ I could use... but I'm thinking I'd rather use that as my desktop, or as a server |
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| [05:13:00] | simcop2387: | Captain_Murdoch: k i'll try that later then, i'm working on an automated script (cronjobable) to use tcrequant to keep more videos (lower the quality on old recordings) |
| [05:14:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | cool, would make a nice user job. is this HD or SD? |
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| [05:15:00] | Flimzy: | Are there any soundcards with 5.1-capable _inputs_ so I can get full audio quality from my digital setop receiver? |
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| [05:24:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: Does it do digital? |
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| [05:27:00] | Flimzy: | the set-top? It has a spdif output |
| [05:30:00] | tetra_: | is spdif necessarily fiber-optic? |
| [05:30:00] | Flimzy: | I don't know |
| [05:30:00] | Flimzy: | but the output port says "Optical SPDIF" |
| [05:30:00] | Flimzy: | so I'm assuming the port I have is |
| [05:31:00] | tetra_: | is there a noticable difference between three 3.5mm and fiber-optic for 5.1? |
| [05:31:00] | Flimzy: | I have no idea |
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| [05:31:00] | Flimzy: | But the only 5.1 output on my set-top is the SPDIF I think |
| [05:31:00] | Flimzy: | It's either SPDIF, or stereo RCA |
| [05:32:00] | tetrawr: | nice |
| [05:32:00] | tetrawr: | wish i new a card for ya |
| [05:32:00] | Krazylegz: | tetrawr: No, SPDIF is not necessarily optical. |
| [05:32:00] | Flimzy: | looks like the Turtle Beach Catalina 7.1 has a SPDIF input |
| [05:32:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: A few cards can do SPDIF 5.1 recording, I believe. |
| [05:33:00] | Flimzy: | I'd love even more to find a card that has two SPDIF 5.1 inputs... but I bet that will be impossible, or at least impossibly expensive, to find |
| [05:33:00] | tetrawr: | Krazylegz: what types of connectors does it use? I've also seen that little yellow connector that looks like RCA video, but smaller |
| [05:33:00] | Krazylegz: | That RCA one is coaxial digital. |
| [05:33:00] | tetrawr: | Flimzy: use two cards |
| [05:33:00] | tetrawr: | Krazylegz: i've seen it labeled S-PDIF |
| [05:34:00] | Flimzy: | tetrawr, I'll have to. But I only have 3 PCI slots... so 2 sound cards + 1 dual-tuner PVR will use them all up |
| [05:34:00] | tetrawr: | Flimzy: yeah, my myth box currently only has 3 PCI, that will change |
| [05:34:00] | Flimzy: | I wonder if there are any USB "sound cards" with SPDIF inputs that don't totally suck |
| [05:35:00] | tetrawr: | spdif or not, i wonder the same |
| [05:35:00] | Krazylegz: | tetrawr: SPDIF = Sony/Philips Digital Interface. |
| [05:35:00] | Flimzy: | I can imagine some possible a/v sync issues if using a USB sound card for input |
| [05:35:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: Creative Audigy? |
| [05:35:00] | tetrawr: | Krazylegz: cool, you read my mind, i was thinking about asking what it stands for |
| [05:37:00] | tetrawr: | Flimzy: i was thinking something from creative with one of those 5.25" front panels |
| [05:37:00] | tetrawr: | they look like they have connectors to connect anything to anything |
| [05:37:00] | Flimzy: | I'll look at the Audigy... |
| [05:38:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, Creative now has X-Fi, Audigy 4 and Audigy 2. |
| [05:39:00] | Flimzy: | The Audigy 2 Value has SPDIF input... not sure if it's optical or not. I suppose an optical->wired converter would be a possibility tho, right? |
| [05:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Not sure about that. |
| [05:39:00] | Krazylegz: | I'd stick to a card that did what you wanted to give it, without a converter. |
| [05:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: Do you have a receiver? |
| [05:39:00] | Flimzy: | probably a good call |
| [05:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Any newer, decent receiver should have digital coax AND digital optical outputs. |
| [05:40:00] | Flimzy: | Krazylegz: define receiver... I have a Motorola DCT6412 DVR set-top receiver. And I have a PVR-500 on order... |
| [05:40:00] | Krazylegz: | You could feed that into the computer, and then back out into the receiver. |
| [05:40:00] | Krazylegz: | I mean an A/V receiver. |
| [05:40:00] | Krazylegz: | Not your set-top box. |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | Ah, yes |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | it does have a SPDIF output |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | coax |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | didn't see it the first time |
| [05:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | so my directtv tuner has no usb/firewire...what's the best way to figure the model for one that will work fine under myth (i.e. has a usb/firewire port)? |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | A/V receiver... you mean the PVR-500 then? |
| [05:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | I plan to get one off ebay |
| [05:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: No, like a box that manages your inputs and outputs. |
| [05:41:00] | IA-Outdoors: | just don't know what I should get (or avoid for that matter |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | Oh |
| [05:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Flimzy: I'll try to find a picture, that might help. |
| [05:41:00] | Flimzy: | No, not really |
| [05:42:00] | Flimzy: | I have a silly $19.95 switch box from rat shack |
| [05:42:00] | Flimzy: | heh |
| [05:42:00] | Flimzy: | that's the only thing that does any managing |
| [05:42:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh, yeah, that's exactly what I have right now. |
| [05:45:00] | Flimzy: | Looks like a SB Audigy 2 Value should do what I want for about $70 |
| [05:46:00] | Flimzy: | So what's the best bang-for-the-buck for HDTV playback? |
| [05:46:00] | Flimzy: | CPU wise |
| [05:46:00] | Flimzy: | A64, P4? |
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| [05:52:00] | Krazylegz: | P4 != bang-for-buck, or does it? |
| [05:52:00] | tetrawr: | have you seen A64 X2 or Pentium D? |
| [05:52:00] | Flimzy: | Well, I was reading that some ppl _did_ have issues with HD playback on A64 |
| [05:52:00] | Flimzy: | But I'm not sure if that was hardware or software related |
| [05:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Ah. |
| [05:52:00] | Flimzy: | I have an A64 x2 right now |
| [05:53:00] | Krazylegz: | I don't do HD, so I can't speak on it. |
| [05:53:00] | Flimzy: | If I can get HD to work on my A32 2400+, that would be perfect |
| [05:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Of course, I don't do SPDIF or 5.1 recording, but I guess I opened my mouth about that. |
| [05:53:00] | Flimzy: | b/c then I can use the A64 x2 as my desktop |
| [05:53:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [05:54:00] | ** tetrawr is a have-not too ** | |
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| [05:56:00] | Flimzy: | What's the state of XvMC (is that the right term) in Myth currently? |
| [05:57:00] | Flimzy: | Can I count on it working? If so, it looks like I could do HD on my XP 2400+ without too much trouble |
| [05:58:00] | Flimzy: | Am I correct in assuming the PVR-500 cards only support stereo audio input? |
| [06:00:00] | Krazylegz: | PVR-500 cards only do your regular coax input, so yes. |
| [06:00:00] | Flimzy: | well, it also looks like it has S-Video in and component video in |
| [06:01:00] | Flimzy: | from this hard-to-distinguish picture I just found |
| [06:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, okay. |
| [06:01:00] | Krazylegz: | I'm thinking of my PVR-350 then. |
| [06:01:00] | Flimzy: | But all the same... that's not audio related :) |
| [06:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. I need to get to bed. |
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| [06:40:00] | rage-: | I've got a pc with mythtv up and running fine... and I have another pc that I'm trying to connect to the backend of the original machine... this was all working fine, but then I upgraded my version of mysql on both machines. The one running the backend works fine still, but I can't connect to the backend with the other machine now. When I try to run the frontend or mythtv-setup I get a bunch of funny errors like "Unabl |
| [06:40:00] | rage-: | e to connect to database!" and "a lot like: "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." I can manually connect to the mysql server from the second pc (not running the backend) just fine, and access the database and all.. any ideas? |
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| [06:42:00] | poonj: | hey gys, anyone here get mythgame to work? |
| [06:42:00] | poonj: | on a debian system? |
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| [07:00:00] | fatmatt: | poonj: not me, but if you do... |
| [07:01:00] | fatmatt: | rage-: have you looked at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt on both machines? |
| [07:02:00] | rage-: | fatmatt, yeah, the one with the backend running running has localhost for the hostname, the other has the network ip of the machine with the backend |
| [07:02:00] | rage-: | fatmatt, other than that they're identical |
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| [07:04:00] | fatmatt: | have you tried changing the hostname on the backend to its real one? Not sure what the updates were but I've seen a couple of non-mysql database type programs lately that need to have the same hostname on the server that the client is trying to connect to. |
| [07:05:00] | fatmatt: | in both /etc/hosts and the database server config |
| [07:05:00] | rage-: | fatmatt, I'll try that |
| [07:05:00] | fatmatt: | worth a shot... good luck. |
| [07:05:00] | rage-: | fatmatt, I also tried getting the second machine to use the mysql running on that machine |
| [07:06:00] | rage-: | so it would be using 'localhost' for that machine |
| [07:06:00] | rage-: | it wouldn't do that either |
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| [07:09:00] | rage-: | fatmatt, that didn't seem to work |
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| [08:04:00] | Gumby: | has anyone here compiled mythtv on debian and have a good init script for mythbackend? I've tried to use the one from knoppmyth but I cant seem to edit it to make it work |
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| [08:11:00] | poonj: | hey guys, anyone here build a debian package for mythgame? |
| [08:12:00] | poonj: | for some reason, in the debian source packages, the configure file was edited to include mythgame...but a .deb package isn't built... |
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| [08:30:00] | NeonLevel: | good evening everyone, i'm newbie and trying to setup a kworld usb tuner, but i'm having problems anyone has this kind of tuner and could please help me!!! |
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| [09:05:00] | vkangin: | Hi |
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| [09:50:00] | vkangin: | Did any one try to use MythTV with STB such as Amino or i3 ? |
| [09:51:00] | vkangin: | Is any development in that area? |
| [09:52:00] | vkangin: | Did any one try to develop MythTV middleware for STB such as Amino or i3 ? |
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| [10:16:00] | cwsmith: | anyone have problems with program_listing.php giveing a blank page ? |
| [10:17:00] | juski: | nope |
| [10:19:00] | juski: | cwsmith: have you made sure apache & php are configured properly? And also that mythweb is configured? |
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| [10:54:00] | cwsmith: | well i have done apache and php but i am not quite sure mythweb is done right its werid cause every other fucntion works |
| [10:54:00] | cwsmith: | except that program_listing |
| [10:54:00] | cwsmith: | i can view recording, schd them, and everything else |
| [11:00:00] | adante: | Agrajag-: hey is that your q3ra3 server? |
| [11:01:00] | Agrajag-: | ahah |
| [11:01:00] | Agrajag-: | yeah |
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| [11:01:00] | Agrajag-: | you play? |
| [11:01:00] | adante: | on and off |
| [11:01:00] | Agrajag-: | heh |
| [11:01:00] | adante: | just fired it up for the first time in ages |
| [11:02:00] | Agrajag-: | cool. bbl dinner |
| [11:02:00] | adante: | saw the name and was trying to figure out where i knew that from |
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| [12:33:00] | juski: | hi rsdvd. that RS stuff come in yet? |
| [12:34:00] | rsdvd_: | Hiya.....yes just arrived |
| [12:34:00] | rsdvd_: | but I have made a booboo |
| [12:34:00] | juski: | oopsie |
| [12:35:00] | rsdvd_: | I seem to have ordered a surface mount power regulator....instead of the 'transistor' type |
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| [12:35:00] | Dagmar: | Mmmm.... toxic gases |
| [12:36:00] | Dagmar: | rsdvd: You didn't use digikey? |
| [12:36:00] | rsdvd_: | whats digikey? |
| [12:36:00] | Dagmar: | I like them for ordering parts. They have detailed diagrams of their parts. |
| [12:36:00] | Dagmar: | www.digikey.com |
| [12:36:00] | juski: | digikey: a US based, expensive for UK users electronics company |
| [12:36:00] | Dagmar: | Been usin' em for years and years when I need components. |
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| [12:37:00] | rsdvd_: | Yes....we are in the UK |
| [12:37:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... good luck then |
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| [12:37:00] | juski: | they've been trying to make inroads into the UK market though |
| [12:37:00] | rsdvd_: | Juski : do you think I will be able to use this IC? or wilI have to reorder the right one? |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | I think they have a ridiculous minimum order quantity though |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | rsdvd.. if you're using stripboard it shouldn't be too much hassle |
| [12:38:00] | ** juski has mounted SMD on stripboard lots of times ** | |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | jeez this fscking theme!!! argghhh |
| [12:39:00] | rsdvd_: | I bought some stripboard........but I had itended to build it insode the D-sub hood (as per www.manoweb.com).....but that can;t happen now |
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| [12:43:00] | juski: | rsdvd: getting it all to fit in there would be a major job anyway |
| [12:44:00] | juski: | and IMHO you need a bit of flexibility so you can one day mount it inside the main box ;) |
| [12:44:00] | rsdvd_: | :-( I did not buy any boxes though |
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| [12:44:00] | juski: | rsdvd: mine is on a bit of stripboard 10x3 holes in size, and is blu-tacked to the underside of a shelf |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | you can hardly see it :) |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | I plan to mount it inside the computer case eventually |
| [12:45:00] | rsdvd_: | LOL.....very tidy.....I will try and do it that way then |
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| [12:45:00] | juski: | when I change it from the hulking LC02 case |
| [12:45:00] | juski: | the little EPIA board looks lost in there |
| [12:46:00] | rsdvd_: | I was thinking about fixit it to the back of a floppy drive cover (I don;t have a floppy drive) then drilling a little hole for the IR part |
| [12:46:00] | juski: | aaand it's snowing again. I wouldn't care but people round here couldn't drive in snow for toffee |
| [12:46:00] | rsdvd_: | been snowing here all morning...just stopped |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | (bunch of pussies, the lot of em) |
| [12:47:00] | rsdvd_: | :-) |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | they get an inch of snow & you see abandoned cars ffs |
| [12:47:00] | rsdvd_: | well most mancs drive battered old fiestas.....they can't make it in the snow |
| [12:48:00] | juski: | lol |
| [12:48:00] | rsdvd_: | although as an ex-manc I have never had a fiesta (battered or otherwise) |
| [12:49:00] | juski: | it's all about the bling on HP these days though |
| [12:49:00] | juski: | too much style round here, not nearly enough substance |
| [12:50:00] | rsdvd_: | lol.....I know that feeling! at least I have a nice shiny Lexus lots of substance |
| [12:51:00] | juski: | you wouldn't know the place these days. looks nice, but that's about it (the centre anyway). |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | can you tell it's a Monday? lol |
| [12:53:00] | rsdvd_: | I can tell it's a Monday......I have too much work to do! I am writing Perl code :-( I want to get the soldering iron out and start playing |
| [12:54:00] | juski: | btw did you get that PM I sent? |
| [12:55:00] | rsdvd_: | Yes thanks......it started me off writing a script......not get round to finishing that either! I life is just a litter of unfinished projects |
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| [13:01:00] | rsdvd_: | juski : how do you solder a surface mount IC to stripboard...they are differnt pitches |
| [13:01:00] | juski: | with extreme care and dexterity ;) |
| [13:01:00] | rsdvd_: | lol...thanks for that |
| [13:02:00] | rsdvd_: | thats what I get for accepting their 'reommended replacment' when they were out of stock |
| [13:04:00] | juski: | ah, so it's their fault.. typical of them |
| [13:04:00] | ** juski ponders updating the theme site with version 0.15 ** | |
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| [13:17:00] | rsdvd_: | juski : has much changed in your theme since the second edition? |
| [13:19:00] | juski: | rsdvd: quite a bit |
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| [13:19:00] | rsdvd_: | let me know when you next update it ...and I wil re-install! I think it is the best theme out there at the moment |
| [13:20:00] | juski: | it's updated now |
| [13:20:00] | rsdvd_: | remind me of thr URL? |
| [13:20:00] | juski: | www.juski.co.uk |
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| [13:21:00] | rsdvd_: | it was on an ntlworld address wasn't it? have you splashed out on a domainname? |
| [13:21:00] | juski: | yeh.. all £3.99 plus VAT for 2 years |
| [13:21:00] | t00m: | good eventing |
| [13:21:00] | t00m: | eh.. evening :) |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | got to do the SVN stuff this week. I wanna submit it on a ticket |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | aaanyhoo.. time for w**king |
| [13:25:00] | Orfeous: | hmm.. |
| [13:25:00] | Orfeous: | trying to get the v4l-dvb installed |
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| [13:31:00] | ExitMenu: | Hello all, I have managed to sucesfully set up a mythtv which has made me very happy, however I am using a PVR-350 and when recording programs I cannot watch live tv |
| [13:31:00] | ExitMenu: | have I done somthing wrong or is this normal |
| [13:32:00] | ExitMenu: | anyone?? pls? |
| [13:33:00] | rsdvd_: | ExitMenu.......your Capture Card will only capture a single channel at any one time.....it you are using it to record a program then it will not be free for Live Tv |
| [13:33:00] | rsdvd_: | if you want to watch what you are recording.....you can do that in the recorded programmes menu |
| [13:34:00] | ExitMenu: | oh ok kewl, so if I put a second PVR-350 in (which I have on my desk) will I be able to watch one while recording, and will I need to split the arial feed to both cards ?? |
| [13:34:00] | rsdvd_: | yes |
| [13:35:00] | rsdvd_: | or record 2 channels |
| [13:35:00] | ExitMenu: | kewl second card it is then |
| [13:36:00] | rsdvd_: | if you are going to split your aerial feed....make sure you either have a very strong signal or use a powered splitter......degredation in the signal is more obvious in PVR than directly on a TV (in my expeience) |
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| [13:43:00] | ExitMenu: | I dont think that will be an issue for me, the signal is very strong here |
| [13:43:00] | rsdvd_: | Good Luck then :-) |
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| [14:11:00] | ExitMenu: | ta |
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| [14:40:00] | ExitMenu: | has anyone come across this issue, when ising nvuexport I get the message "Waiting for Mythtrancode to setup the fifos" and then it ends saying waited to long |
| [14:41:00] | ExitMenu: | can any one point me in the direction of how to fix this |
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| [14:57:00] | rsdvd_: | ExitMenu.....is the myth transcode deamon running? (mtd) |
| [14:59:00] | ViViD: | anyone know why my mythtv-backend wont start with system init? |
| [15:00:00] | ExitMenu: | yeh I have sorted the first probelm now I get ffmpeg errors "bitrate, width or height" |
| [15:00:00] | ExitMenu: | I will google away |
| [15:01:00] | rsdvd_: | "google is your friend" |
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| [15:02:00] | ExitMenu: | well more of an aquatence really lol |
| [15:02:00] | rsdvd_: | LOL |
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| [15:06:00] | tactless: | I want to use mythtv solely for playing back files, for the timestretch feature (I'd use mplayer if it supported this). Everything currently works, but I have to have mysql running. Is there a way to have mythtv just play the file I tell it without having mysql running? (I'm not using the DB anyway...) |
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| [15:07:00] | juski: | tactless: there are other, better suited, media playback frontends |
| [15:07:00] | laga: | like www.freevo.org |
| [15:07:00] | tactless: | juski: One that does timestretch? |
| [15:07:00] | juski: | hiya laga |
| [15:08:00] | laga: | hello juski |
| [15:08:00] | juski: | tactless: you can only timestretch recorded video with mythtv |
| [15:08:00] | laga: | juski: are you sure? you can use the Internal player in mythvideo. |
| [15:08:00] | juski: | can you? |
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| [15:08:00] | juski: | (ahem) |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [15:08:00] | tactless: | juski: Timestretch has absolutely nothing to do with recording. |
| [15:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use the internal player for all of my stuff |
| [15:08:00] | tactless: | juski: Timestretch means using libsoundtouch to modify the playback speed without altering pitch, all of this at playtime. |
| [15:08:00] | juski: | so why isn't the internal player the default ;-) |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | though I've never specifically tried to timestretch a non recording |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | juski: No idea :) |
| [15:09:00] | tactless: | juski: Other media players (that I know of) can, at best, modify the speed while bending pitch. |
| [15:10:00] | tactless: | What does mythvideo do? Is it a standalone player? |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | ts works with nonrecorded stuf as well |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a plugin for accessing non recorded content |
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| [15:10:00] | tactless: | Oh, no, I just run mythtv [filename]. |
| [15:10:00] | tactless: | But that requires mysql to be running. |
| [15:10:00] | tactless: | So I reiterate – can I use mythtv (the player) without mysql running? |
| [15:11:00] | tactless: | Is there some sort of --without-mysql flag? |
| [15:11:00] | juski: | mysql isn't *that* much of a drain on system resources |
| [15:11:00] | juski: | mythfrontend will always complain if it doesn't find a DB |
| [15:11:00] | tactless: | juski: It is on a laptop. |
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| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | so ? |
| [15:11:00] | juski: | tactless... so? |
| [15:11:00] | tactless: | juski: I'm not talking about mythfrontend, I'm talking about mythtv. |
| [15:11:00] | tactless: | juski: ...and this is a laptop! |
| [15:12:00] | juski: | what's allt he fuss about? |
| [15:12:00] | sphing: | i think he wants to be able to watch tv away from his system |
| [15:12:00] | juski: | tactless: mythfrontend is the er... front end of mythtv |
| [15:12:00] | tactless: | No no no |
| [15:12:00] | tactless: | Let me try again... |
| [15:12:00] | tactless: | mythtv's built-in player has this very nice timestretch feature |
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| [15:12:00] | tactless: | Basically I want to use it (the built-in player) as I would mplayer or xine or vlc |
| [15:12:00] | juski: | I give up |
| [15:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | tactless: mythtv gets a lot of information from the database when playing, I doubt very much you will get this working withing mysql running at least when playing starts |
| [15:13:00] | tactless: | Is there any way to use the builtin player separately from the frontend? |
| [15:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's not designed to really be used that way, but "mythtv filename" might work, but you are basically guaranteeing yourself problems, why not just run a small sql database and mythfrontend ? are you THAT LOW on resources ? |
| [15:14:00] | tactless: | "mythtv filename" works. And yes, I'm THAT LOW on resources, this is a laptop. |
| [15:14:00] | sphing: | what does the mythplayer offer than mplayer doesn't? |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | dude, just cause it';s a laptop is irrelevant |
| [15:15:00] | tactless: | sphing: Timestretch. |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm using mythtv on this laptop right now |
| [15:15:00] | tactless: | GreyFoxx: It's relevant on this one. |
| [15:15:00] | sphing: | tactless: then no it can't be done |
| [15:15:00] | sphing: | if you dont want a sql database... it cant work |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | then say so,m don't say "It's a laptop" like that somehow means it's a lowend piece of crap |
| [15:15:00] | tactless: | OK, thanks, that was the answer I was looking for |
| [15:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | I ran myth happily on my old P3 800 laptop |
| [15:16:00] | sphing: | tactless: its never been tried that I know of... give it a shot and let us know you're results |
| [15:17:00] | sphing: | *your |
| [15:17:00] | tactless: | Bah, finally |
| [15:17:00] | tactless: | Only sphing understood what the heck it was I was trying to do |
| [15:18:00] | tactless: | GreyFoxx, juski, you've been wholly unhelpful |
| [15:18:00] | sphing: | tactless: they understand |
| [15:18:00] | sphing: | and they think its just as ridiculous as i do |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | I understood completely, and I told oyou that it gets data from the database at start and would likely not work |
| [15:18:00] | tactless: | It's quite ridiculous, mplayer should do this. |
| [15:18:00] | tactless: | Guess that's a patch I'll have to write myself. |
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| [15:48:00] | laga: | afk, guys. |
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| [15:57:00] | ExitMenu: | ok I think I have found my probelm knoppmyth does not have the wmv codec installed does any one know where I would put this codec to installit |
| [15:57:00] | ExitMenu: | assuming I can just use the mplayer pack |
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| [16:14:00] | onetwo: | Hi, has anybody heard of success using usb capture devices? |
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| [16:32:00] | juski: | heheheh how's this for a firmware bug in a hard drive? sent it some data in write multiple commands, the disk stops responding.. why? the HDD thinks it's sent an IRQ to the controller, but the controller hasn't seen one. I won't be buying any drives from *that* manufacturer again |
| [16:32:00] | juski: | and I've had the manufacturer confirm it's a firmware issue |
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| [16:33:00] | amorphix: | hi guys |
| [16:34:00] | amorphix: | does anyone know if Hauppage WinTV-PVR is compatible with Linux/MythTV? |
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| [16:37:00] | sphing: | amorphix: i think so |
| [16:37:00] | sphing: | but dont quote me |
| [16:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: It's the most recommended brand of card (assuming you mean the pvr 150/250/350/500) |
| [16:38:00] | Chutt: | the regular wintv-pvr is not support, nor is it made anymore. |
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| [16:44:00] | amorphix: | no i mean the pvr-pci |
| [16:44:00] | amorphix: | oh |
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| [16:45:00] | amorphix: | not supported, that sux |
| [16:45:00] | Chutt: | why? |
| [16:46:00] | Chutt: | it's obsolete. |
| [16:46:00] | amorphix: | looks good card |
| [16:46:00] | Chutt: | uh |
| [16:46:00] | Chutt: | it's 2 whole generations old |
| [16:46:00] | Chutt: | it was replaced by the pvr-250, which was replaced by the pvr-150. |
| [16:47:00] | Chutt: | it's _not_ a good card. |
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| [16:47:00] | amorphix: | ok |
| [16:48:00] | amorphix: | these 150's sure do hold their prices |
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| [16:48:00] | juski: | eh? the PVR150 not cheap enough? |
| [16:48:00] | amorphix: | right now im using a very ancient WinTV card, bt848 chipset |
| [16:48:00] | amorphix: | |
| [16:49:00] | juski: | you get what you pay for though |
| [16:49:00] | juski: | I've seen the output of cards costing similar prices which *don't* have audio capture onboard or do hardware encoding |
| [16:49:00] | amorphix: | you can buy a proper dvb machine for not much more, or a dvd rw |
| [16:49:00] | Chutt: | the pvr-150 is $60, here. the only place i can find that sells the pvr-pci sells it for $180 |
| [16:50:00] | juski: | amorphix: so do that instead ;) |
| [16:50:00] | amorphix: | |
| [16:50:00] | juski: | hey I want everything to be free.. but we all know how well that'd work |
| [16:50:00] | amorphix: | |
| [16:51:00] | juski: | is it even worth *that*? |
| [16:51:00] | amorphix: | it plays pretty good |
| [16:51:00] | amorphix: | sure! |
| [16:51:00] | amorphix: | not for capturing of course, but its fine for just watching tv |
| [16:51:00] | juski: | but it needs a soundcard so you can hear the audio no doubt |
| [16:52:00] | amorphix: | thats all I need to do, but it would be good to do some capturing occasionally |
| [16:52:00] | amorphix: | no way |
| [16:52:00] | amorphix: | i got audio right off the card, just needs a speaker or loop wire to soundcard |
| [16:52:00] | juski: | or rather so you can record the audio from it ;) |
| [16:53:00] | amorphix: | why would you wanna record audio tho? |
| [16:54:00] | amorphix: | like music you mean? |
| [16:54:00] | cwsmith: | anyone have problems with program_listing.php giveing a blank page ? |
| [16:54:00] | amorphix: | what is that file? |
| [16:54:00] | cwsmith: | mythweb main page :) |
| [16:54:00] | amorphix: | does anyone know where to get a UK tv listing feed? |
| [16:54:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [16:55:00] | amorphix: | i didnt know they published tv listing |
| [16:56:00] | amorphix: | we need more feeds for mythtv eh, why isnt the mythtv dev group providing one for users? |
| [16:56:00] | Chutt: | uh. |
| [16:56:00] | Chutt: | you want to pay for the data for me? |
| [16:56:00] | amorphix: | i dont mind paying |
| [16:56:00] | Chutt: | no, for the entire feed |
| [16:57:00] | cwsmith: | i'd pay for help lol |
| [16:57:00] | Chutt: | seeing as you don't want to spend any money on a tuner card, i doubt you'll pay for the data |
| [16:57:00] | rsdvd_: | amirphix......there are many feeds for listing data....RadioTimes for one |
| [16:57:00] | stuarta: | why bother if you are in the uk. |
| [16:57:00] | amorphix: | well theres plenty of sources out there for free eh, it just needs someone to grab and format the data and make it available |
| [16:57:00] | amorphix: | I could do it myself |
| [16:57:00] | stuarta: | EPG works well |
| [16:57:00] | juski: | amorphix: uk users can scrape tv guide data from the Radio Times website usint tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [16:57:00] | Chutt: | amorphix, data's copyrighted. |
| [16:57:00] | Chutt: | you can't redistribute it without paying for the data. |
| [16:57:00] | amorphix: | sure |
| [16:57:00] | Chutt: | which is rather expensive. |
| [16:58:00] | amorphix: | there is a service called Digiguide in the UK also |
| [16:58:00] | juski: | Digiguide sucks |
| [16:58:00] | Dibblah: | juski: tv_grab_uk_rt is not a scraper. |
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| [16:58:00] | amorphix: | why? |
| [16:58:00] | juski: | and it's not compatible with xmltv |
| [16:58:00] | Dibblah: | It's a direct XML feed. |
| [16:58:00] | beavis: | stuarta: do you see correct SNR/SIG values with daniels latest patch? |
| [16:59:00] | rsdvd_: | Amorphix.......the uk_rt routine is all you need....like everyone else who uses Myth in the Uk |
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| [16:59:00] | juski: | Dibblah: parses/scrapes... pretty similar imho |
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| [16:59:00] | stuarta: | beavis: haven't tried live tv for a few days :-) |
| [16:59:00] | amorphix: | ok |
| [17:00:00] | juski: | oh and the other thing about Digiguide – NO plans to release a Linux version whatsoever |
| [17:00:00] | stuarta: | once I've finished watching this I will. |
| [17:00:00] | beavis: | hmm, I thought paulh's patch (r8068) now allows to shutdown a FE/BE combination, but it's stll not allowed :/ |
| [17:00:00] | Dibblah: | The BBC is providing a raw XML file. That's not even close to scraping :) |
| [17:00:00] | stuarta: | 8068 looks like the first half. |
| [17:01:00] | amorphix: | |
| [17:01:00] | Chutt: | it won't allow manual shutdown |
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| [17:01:00] | amorphix: | http://tvguide.idnetuk.com |
| [17:01:00] | beavis: | Chutt: what's the reason for not allowing it? I just turn off my pc every night (BE/FE combination) |
| [17:01:00] | juski: | why would we need *another* tv guide website? |
| [17:02:00] | Chutt: | because the user doesn't know what the backend's doing? |
| [17:02:00] | amorphix: | incase the others block you for nicking their data ;-) |
| [17:02:00] | Dibblah: | Has anyone seen any recent issues / commits that affect DVB saving the default input as "Television" rather than dvbinput? |
| [17:02:00] | juski: | amorphix: when that happens I'll go back to using the DVB guide |
| [17:02:00] | rsdvd: | Amorphix...feel free to go to the trouble of writing another way of getting your data......the rest of us just use the perfectly good uk_rt routine and save the time to work on something else |
| [17:03:00] | amorphix: | I couldnt get the uk_rt to work |
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| [17:03:00] | beavis: | Chutt: I know what it's doing, but it's ok, I just tell everyone who wants to see the "Exit and Shutdown" in BE/FE which file to modify |
| [17:03:00] | juski: | now we get to the crux of the matter, eh amorphix |
| [17:03:00] | amorphix: | heh |
| [17:03:00] | Dibblah: | You need a recent xmltv for tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [17:03:00] | rsdvd: | well that is a differnt issue......if you need help getting it to work – you should ask |
| [17:06:00] | beavis: | Chutt: would you accept an option which allows to activate it (with a warning message). All my friends shut their PCs (BE/FE) down every night. |
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| [17:07:00] | Chutt: | no. |
| [17:07:00] | rsdvd: | amorphix : was it something we said :-) |
| [17:14:00] | stuarta: | beavis: Consistent 1.4db SNR. Guess my cards drivers are broken in that respect. |
| [17:16:00] | cwsmith: | PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 16 bytes) in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/programs.php on line 349 |
| [17:16:00] | cwsmith: | thats why my program_listing.php or whatever is comming up blank |
| [17:17:00] | cwsmith: | cause i get that error in error_log |
| [17:17:00] | cwsmith: | but i dont know why :) |
| [17:17:00] | cwsmith: | or how to fix |
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| [17:37:00] | NeonLevel: | good morning everyone, i'm newbie and trying to setup one of two tuners kworld usb tuner or a encore enltv-fm , but i'm having problems anyone has this kind of tuner and could please help me!!! |
| [17:38:00] | a1fa: | i got pvr-500 sorry |
| [17:38:00] | kormoc: | NeonLevel, are they on the list of supported hardware on myth's site? |
| [17:38:00] | NeonLevel: | does the pvr-500 work flawlessly? |
| [17:39:00] | a1fa: | besides some jitter, related to my pci chipset, yes |
| [17:39:00] | a1fa: | audio flakes out sometimes, when i tune into a channel on live tv, but besides that, its worth th emoney |
| [17:39:00] | NeonLevel: | kormox: no they both dont appear |
| [17:40:00] | NeonLevel: | oops, so you have problems right? |
| [17:40:00] | a1fa: | it is not pvr-500 related.. my pci chipset is shit |
| [17:41:00] | a1fa: | i recomend that card |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | NeonLevel, if they don't appear, they arn't supported and are likely not going to work without /a lot/ of work |
| [17:41:00] | bill2or3: | are there any pci-e cards available? |
| [17:41:00] | NeonLevel: | thanks kormoc |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | NeonLevel, get a pvr 150/500 if you want good quality and ease of use. |
| [17:42:00] | NeonLevel: | yeah but i live in mexico and that card is not easy to find here |
| [17:42:00] | NeonLevel: | though i'm thinking in buying it |
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| [17:48:00] | NeonLevel: | hey guys i was wondering if buing the pvr500 would work my pc which is a Pentium II 533Mhz, running Slackware 10.2 |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | as long as it supports pci 2.1, then yes, it should |
| [17:49:00] | NeonLevel: | is there an easy way to know that, or should i look dor the manual? |
| [17:50:00] | kormoc: | check the manual |
| [17:50:00] | NeonLevel: | ok thanks kormoc |
| [17:51:00] | NeonLevel: | got go see you soon |
| [17:51:00] | NeonLevel: | really thanks for the support |
| [17:51:00] | NeonLevel: | ;-) |
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| [18:34:00] | Lightnin: | afternoon |
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| [19:02:00] | zaps: | Hi room , any chance i could get help with an LIRC issue here ? |
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| [19:05:00] | beavis: | which distibution? |
| [19:05:00] | zaps: | slackware , I got it working but i have an issue with the "0" button |
| [19:06:00] | zaps: | seems "0" doesnt send |
| [19:07:00] | zaps: | but if I use the remote it "sees" 0 but its like the IR transmitter cant send a "0" to my DCT1700 |
| [19:07:00] | beavis: | just use irrecord to test if it sends the correct freq |
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| [19:26:00] | Flimzy: | Should I get a 37" LCD HDTV that supports up to 720p, or a 42" rear projection HDTV that supports up to 1080i? |
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| [19:30:00] | Flimzy: | or... a projector? |
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| [19:31:00] | fryfrog: | Flimzy: probably depends entirely on your setup, budget and taste |
| [19:31:00] | Flimzy: | My budget is roughly $2000 |
| [19:31:00] | fryfrog: | i got a 30" CRT HDTV WS for ~$800 |
| [19:32:00] | fryfrog: | i like it a lot :) |
| [19:32:00] | fryfrog: | i think i'd skip LCD and Plasma technology, but thats just personal taste |
| [19:32:00] | fryfrog: | projector sounds neat, but i think you need a relativly *un*bright environtment |
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| [19:33:00] | fryfrog: | $2k sounds like you'll be right at the low end of projectors and big screen tvs though |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | projectors are much cheaper for the size |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | i could spend up to $3500 if I wanted to forgo buying my G4 powerbook |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | hhe |
| [19:33:00] | Flimzy: | I see a $1000 projector that supports up to 1080i, but output resolution maxes out at 1400x1050 |
| [19:34:00] | Jelte: | Hi there... I've just managed to get my mythtv setup going and it's looking very good. But i have got just two questions: 1- is it normal for changing a channel to take about 3 to 4 seconds? what is the bottleneck there? can i speed that up by lowereing the minimum live feed buffer setting? (i'm a little confused what that one does).. 2- any UK freeview users here using the Hauppauge Nova T? |
| [19:34:00] | Jelte: | Although it's looking ok, some channels are a bit juttery. A good example is BBC news 24, where the ticker along the bottem of the screen does not move as smooth as on my setop box .... what would the bottleneck be there? memory and CPU seem to not be maxing out... |
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| [19:35:00] | mace: | does colin guthrie frequent these parts? |
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| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | Jelte: channel changes are not fast, i'd guess 1–3 sec is a normal average |
| [19:37:00] | fryfrog: | Jelte: and for the jitteryness, its probably due to interlacing / deinterlacing or something like that? are you viewing on tv or computer? do you run any of the "deinterlace" filters? |
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| [19:38:00] | Goshen: | What card should I get for recording from comcast cable? PVR-350? |
| [19:38:00] | Flimzy: | what is XGA resolution? Is that only 1024x768? |
| [19:39:00] | Jelte: | fryfrog: the jitteryness is both if i watch it on my computer monitor (where the interlacing is obvious) and also when i play it over my frontend which runs on a Roku Photobridge... since the latter has its own mpeg decoders, i'm assuming its the stream that Nova T brings in that is bad |
| [19:39:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: That can record the analog channels. |
| [19:39:00] | Netslayer: | Goshen, i'd recommend pvr250/350 or whatever pvr cards are out now |
| [19:39:00] | Flimzy: | To record the digital channels, you'll need a set-top box, too |
| [19:39:00] | Goshen: | no cards can tune digital channels? |
| [19:39:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: No. |
| [19:39:00] | Jelte: | fryfrog: its not so much the interlacing, but more things just ...well.. stuttering i s'pose a bit |
| [19:39:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: It's not possible (legally) right now |
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| [19:40:00] | Netslayer: | Goshen, that's where you got the idea of the pchdtv from |
| [19:40:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: The vast majority of digital channels are encrypted |
| [19:40:00] | Netslayer: | it can capture (copy) atsc hdtv off the air |
| [19:40:00] | Goshen: | Netslayer, what about the pchdtv? that only does broadcast right? |
| [19:41:00] | bill2or3: | it does QAM |
| [19:41:00] | Goshen: | QAM? |
| [19:41:00] | Flimzy: | fryfrog: Why would you skip LCD/Plasma? B/c they're more expensive? |
| [19:41:00] | bill2or3: | the encoding for digital cable. |
| [19:41:00] | bill2or3: | but only stuff that's in the clear. |
| [19:42:00] | Goshen: | does comcast have their QAM in the clear for normal channels? |
| [19:42:00] | Netslayer: | Goshen, i think QAM is broadcast |
| [19:42:00] | vkangin: | Could any one advice is the SkyStar1 & SkyStar1 CI both are supported? |
| [19:42:00] | Netslayer: | good q... |
| [19:42:00] | Netslayer: | i always thought all comcast/directv was encrytped |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | vkangin, check myth's website, it lists supported hardware |
| [19:42:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: I believe legally they have to rebroadcast the local over-air channels in clear QAM |
| [19:42:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: But all other digital channels are likely to be encrypted |
| [19:43:00] | vkangin: | kormoc: I did, but I could not find the SkyStar1 CI |
| [19:43:00] | Goshen: | of the hauppauge cards, which one would I have the least trouble setting up and have the least cpu requirements? |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | vkangin, then it's not supported |
| [19:43:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, would that mean that local channels like 2, 4, etc are supposed to be available in hdtv unencrypted through cable? |
| [19:43:00] | Goshen: | what is the difference between PVR-250, 350 ect? |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, a 150/250/350/500, all are about the same |
| [19:43:00] | Netslayer: | Goshen, output |
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| [19:43:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: If they are broadcast over-air in HDTV format, then yes. |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, 350 is the 250 with hardware output |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, 150 is the new version of the 250 |
| [19:43:00] | vkangin: | kormoc: Is any card that you could recommended with CI ? |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, 500 is a duel tuner 150 |
| [19:44:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: In my area, ABC, for instance, broadcasts HDTV on-air. I can get it from my cable provider (Cox) on channel 601, I think, and it's unencrypted |
| [19:44:00] | Goshen: | they went down in numbers for thir versions? |
| [19:44:00] | Goshen: | can mythtv use both tuners on the 500? |
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| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | vkangin, sadly, I can only say to use what's on the site |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, yes, to both questions |
| [19:44:00] | Flimzy: | I just ordered a PVR-500 |
| [19:44:00] | Goshen: | so if I only need to capture, I need a 250 |
| [19:44:00] | Flimzy: | should be here on Thurs |
| [19:44:00] | Goshen: | or 500 |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, get a 150 or 500 |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, the 150 is cheaper then the 250 |
| [19:45:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: I'd get the 150 instead of the 250. Word on the street is the 150 has better image quality |
| [19:45:00] | {aaron}: | hi guys, i hope to create a mythtv-based pvr soon. is it feasible to use something like an embedded via system, or are full fledged components (cpu, separate tv card/encoder/decoder) warranted? |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, and same or better quality |
| [19:45:00] | Goshen: | where did you find the best deal on the 500? |
| [19:45:00] | Flimzy: | {aaron}, Depends on what you're doing with it. |
| [19:45:00] | Goshen: | 500 sounds nice because it only takes one slot :) |
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| [19:46:00] | Flimzy: | {aaron}, If you're doing software MPEG encoding, then you'll want a good CPU (my 2.0Ghz Athlon XP 2400+ did it okay, with one tuner) |
| [19:46:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, how do u getit on channel 601? ie pchdtv? (does it have cable inputs) |
| [19:46:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: I have a set-top box |
| [19:46:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: Then have to stream it to the PC over firewire |
| [19:46:00] | {aaron}: | Flimzy: hmm, ok. i was really hoping for a small/quiet system :/ |
| [19:46:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, nice! |
| [19:46:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: Which, incidentally, I have not gotten to work in Linux yet. But I haven't tried very hard yet, either. |
| [19:46:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, oh is that how the firewire works? so if the channel is encrypted than the firewire won't work |
| [19:47:00] | Flimzy: | {aaron}: You could set up a quiet frontend, and a bigger/noiser backend in a closet |
| [19:47:00] | {aaron}: | don't codecs on the tv card offload work from the main processor? i thought I could have a relatively weak processor |
| [19:47:00] | Goshen: | Flimzy, Where did you order your pvr-500? I found a 500MCE on ecost for $139 |
| [19:47:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: Aye |
| [19:47:00] | {aaron}: | Flimzy: yeah, that's true |
| [19:47:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen, newegg |
| [19:47:00] | Goshen: | newegg of course :) |
| [19:47:00] | Goshen: | what is MCE? |
| [19:47:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, i've never really understood what capabilities the cable boxes firewire provides |
| [19:47:00] | Flimzy: | {aaron}: Also, if you're just doing standard def, and have a hardware encoder, a 600Mhz might be good enough |
| [19:48:00] | {aaron}: | can one generally record more than one (simultaneous) program at a time, or is that were multiple tuners come in? |
| [19:48:00] | Netslayer: | Flimzy, does it allow you to stream anything or just unencrypted channels |
| [19:48:00] | poonj: | hey guys.. |
| [19:48:00] | poonj: | anyone here build a debian package for mythgame? |
| [19:48:00] | {aaron}: | Flimzy: yeah, that's what I figured |
| [19:48:00] | poonj: | for some reason, in the debian source packages, the configure file was edited to include mythgame...but a .deb package isn't built... |
| [19:48:00] | Flimzy: | Netslayer: Just unencrypted. It might stream the encrypted ones, but it would be worthless |
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| [19:49:00] | Netslayer: | i hate how there's no solution for hdtv.. i'm a mountain over from atsc availability |
| [19:49:00] | Netslayer: | i talked with 16:9 time and they're making a mythtv driver right now |
| [19:49:00] | Flimzy: | I'm really hoping I can hack together a suitable HDTV myth box |
| [19:49:00] | {aaron}: | i read an elaborate HOWTO on all the proper method for sizing clusters on filesystems (basically: make gigantic honking cluster size)...is that still relevant these days? |
| [19:49:00] | Goshen: | Flimzy, I don't see the pvr-500 on newegg |
| [19:49:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: It was there last night :P |
| [19:49:00] | Netslayer: | but the new directv mpeg4 receivers are coming out this month.. so i'll probably wait |
| [19:50:00] | Flimzy: | Maybe I got the last one! |
| [19:50:00] | Goshen: | Flimzy, must have, I don't see them |
| [19:51:00] | Flimzy: | No, I'm sure they still have it |
| [19:51:00] | {aaron}: | and has anybody experienced significant hard-drive issues...for such a system i'd expect i'd want to wind down the hard drive most of the time...but i have actually burnt out motors (i suspect) with too-aggressive power saving modes |
| [19:52:00] | kormoc: | Flimzy, he's right |
| [19:52:00] | fryfrog: | {aaron}: now a days, you'll not need to worry about hd anything. |
| [19:52:00] | kormoc: | Flimzy, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . factory=1772 |
| [19:52:00] | Juski: | {aaron}: the HDD manufacturers don't lie (much) in their spec sheets. Overheating and mis-handling are the biggest causes of premature HDD death |
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| [19:52:00] | Juski: | you can quite safely spin a disc up & down well over 100,000 times if you keep the drive in-spec |
| [19:52:00] | {aaron}: | cool |
| [19:53:00] | fryfrog: | {aaron}: might choose xfs or jfs over ext3 for the much faster deletes, but even then you'd prolly be fine with ext3 |
| [19:53:00] | kormoc: | http://www.pcalchemy.com/ is a good palce, or so I've heard. |
| [19:53:00] | Juski: | infact for drives that aren't rated for 100% duty cycle (i.e. always spun up), I'd recommend power saving |
| [19:53:00] | kormoc: | http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . rdstv-tuners |
| [19:53:00] | Goshen: | so it is ok that the card is labeled MCE for Media Center Edition? |
| [19:53:00] | fryfrog: | Netslayer: i'm looking forward to DTV's new MPEG4, I think I'd like to get one of their DVRs if the non-tivo units don't suck donkey penis |
| [19:54:00] | {aaron}: | Juski: hmm. i turned it off completely on my current workstation because I think i killed my last hard drive that way. but it was getting old too |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | HDDs have a design life of 5 years |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | Wow |
| [19:54:00] | kormoc: | Goshen, as far as I know, it doesn't matter |
| [19:54:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | I just pulled up my order form... searched for the exact same item |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | it's not there any more |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | Sorry, Goshen. Try pricewatch, then I guess |
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| [19:54:00] | Goshen: | Flimzy, thats ok, what did you pay for it? |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | but as far as how long you can *expect& them to last – look at the warranty period |
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| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: "MCE" just means it does'nt come with a remote control, AFAIK |
| [19:54:00] | Goshen: | I am going to order from ecost.com they have always been good to me |
| [19:54:00] | grnfvr: | is there hardware support drivers for geforce 6200 video cards? |
| [19:54:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: I paid $138 + shipping |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | try www.nvidia.com, Flimzy ;) |
| [19:55:00] | Flimzy: | ? |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | sorry I meant grnfvr |
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| [19:55:00] | grnfvr: | i haven't bought it yet |
| [19:55:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: As far as I know. I could let you know in a couple days... I have one here I'm gonna instal soon. And just ordered a 6200TC (which I hear is also supported) |
| [19:55:00] | kormoc: | grnfvr, yes, nvidia makes drivers for all their cards |
| [19:55:00] | Flimzy: | kormoc: I don't think that's _entirely_ true. |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | Flimzy, what cards dont' have support? |
| [19:56:00] | Flimzy: | kormoc: I think there may be some TC cards that don't work in Linux yet |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | TC? |
| [19:56:00] | Flimzy: | "Turbo Cache" |
| [19:56:00] | Flimzy: | they use system memory instead of onboard RAM |
| [19:56:00] | Juski: | eeks |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | ahh, my understanding is they work fine |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | (i.e. incredibly low end) |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | just arn't fast |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | maybe so |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | I just bought one |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | so I'll find out soon enough |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | but all the TC cards have their own onboard RAM – at least a certain amount don't they? |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | I got a 6200TC... someone suggested that other TC's don't work |
| [19:57:00] | grnfvr: | i figured someone in here had done it already |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | Juski, yup |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | but ATM, I'm not finding any other TC models on pricewatch |
| [19:57:00] | grnfvr: | flimzy, are you doing hidef? |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | juski: yeah |
| [19:57:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: I intend to be... but not yet |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | should be fine as long as you don't need 1.5TB texture RAM |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | (I would've thought) |
| [19:58:00] | Flimzy: | Juski: that's my hope. I got one with 64mb... hoping that will be enough it won't touch my system RAM, and will still be fast enough for myth |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | Flimzy, hi-def is cpu and memory nasty. |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | 64MB should easily be more than enough |
| [19:58:00] | Flimzy: | kormoc: I have a dual-core 3800+, 1gb RAM |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | very well then :P |
| [19:58:00] | Flimzy: | I'm hoping that will be sufficient :) |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | you know all this speculation about how much CPU etc you need for HDTV.. is that just for MPEG2 or does that count MPEG4 too? |
| [19:59:00] | Flimzy: | and it looks like with XvMC, HD can be done even on a 1.8Ghz CPU |
| [19:59:00] | Flimzy: | but XvMC seems to be flaky ATM |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | what I mean is.. when people talk about HD, are they talking about MPEG2? |
| [19:59:00] | Flimzy: | Juski: MPEG2, AFAIK. Converting HD to MPEG4 would be nightmarish |
| [19:59:00] | Goshen: | thanks guys, I am really glad I checked here, I was going to get the pvr-350, and now I am going to get the pvr-500MCE instead and get two tuners for the price of one :) |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | Flimzy: when we get HD in the UK it's likely to be MPEG4 |
| [20:00:00] | Flimzy: | Juski: HD broadcasts are MPEG2. So methinks most ppl just leave it like that (that's my intention) |
| [20:00:00] | Flimzy: | that'd be cool, I guess. But would probably require a heftier CPU |
| [20:00:00] | Flimzy: | There's only 4 channels I'll even be able to get in HD anyway |
| [20:00:00] | Flimzy: | (thru myth, that is) |
| [20:00:00] | Flimzy: | and most of them I don't watch |
| [20:00:00] | Juski: | or a Chipwrights software configurable codec on a PCI card |
| [20:01:00] | Flimzy: | Juski: Do they make those? and are they supported by myth? |
| [20:01:00] | Juski: | nope |
| [20:01:00] | Flimzy: | well then I guess you'll need a hefty CPU :) |
| [20:01:00] | Juski: | they don't even exist yet (except on development boards).. so a linux driver.. that's but a dream ;) |
| [20:01:00] | Flimzy: | hehe |
| [20:01:00] | grnfvr: | yeah, my understanding is that broadcast hidef will be mpeg2 forever it's talk of satelite moving to the mpeg4 standard |
| [20:02:00] | grnfvr: | in the US anyway |
| [20:02:00] | Juski: | grnfvr: DVB-T HDTV in Europe is more than likely going to be MPEG4 |
| [20:02:00] | grnfvr: | ic |
| [20:02:00] | Juski: | <shudder> |
| [20:02:00] | Flimzy: | I should probably start installing Linux on the 3800+ x2 sometime soon |
| [20:02:00] | grnfvr: | man, that does make live tv really hard |
| [20:02:00] | Flimzy: | XP MCE is making itself too much at home |
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| [20:03:00] | Juski: | the thing which gives me some consolation is the fact that there are gonna be a lot of consumer level MPEG4 decoders out there before too long |
| [20:03:00] | grnfvr: | myth does offer off hours mpeg2 -> mpeg4 conversion doesn't it? |
| [20:03:00] | Juski: | oh yeah |
| [20:03:00] | grnfvr: | and for non live playback mpeg4 should be fine |
| [20:03:00] | Flimzy: | Yeah |
| [20:04:00] | Juski: | and I've seen there are the makings of a GPU-assisted video codec system on sourceforge |
| [20:04:00] | Flimzy: | but you'll naturally lose some quality |
| [20:04:00] | Flimzy: | and hard drives are cheap |
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| [20:05:00] | Juski: | but – this tlak of HD in the UK... it's taking us lot an age to take to digital TV as it is |
| [20:05:00] | Flimzy: | So does anyone have an opinion on whether I should get a 37" LCD HDTV up to 720p, or 42" rear projection, up to 1080i? |
| [20:07:00] | Flimzy: | If you end up with a better spec, it'll be worth the wait, IMO |
| [20:08:00] | grnfvr: | my plan is to go 62 inch rear 1080p |
| [20:08:00] | Flimzy: | 1080p? you mean 1080i? |
| [20:08:00] | grnfvr: | i wasn't familiar with that mce card, it doesn't look like it does hd |
| [20:08:00] | a1fa: | how much, grnfvr |
| [20:08:00] | a1fa: | how much, grnfvr ? |
| [20:08:00] | grnfvr: | yup, we have 1080p here in US |
| [20:08:00] | Flimzy: | what MCE card? |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | I'm in the US |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | never saw 1080p |
| [20:09:00] | Juski: | well what we have now with digital TV isn't exactly as good looking as decent analogue – nasty MPEG artifacts galore – the bitrate could do with a hike.. (lose some of the shopping channels, people!) |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | can't imagine it would be useful |
| [20:09:00] | kormoc: | grnfvr, it doesn't do hd afaik |
| [20:09:00] | grnfvr: | Hauppauge TV PVR-500 MCE |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | Of course the PVR doesn't do HD |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | There are only like 2 cards in the world that do... |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | (that work with myth) |
| [20:09:00] | grnfvr: | DLP rear 62 inch on pricescan.com is around $2600 w/shipping |
| [20:09:00] | Flimzy: | mythtv.org points you to them if you care |
| [20:10:00] | grnfvr: | yeah |
| [20:10:00] | Flimzy: | I hafta get my HDTV at CompUSA, unfortunately |
| [20:10:00] | grnfvr: | happaugue makes one the 350 isn't it, that's the one i was planning on |
| [20:10:00] | a1fa: | i just bought a $3k bike.. tv will wait |
| [20:10:00] | Flimzy: | Don't get a 350 if you intend to use MPEG4 |
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| [20:10:00] | grnfvr: | i don't plan to watch live in mpeg4, live will be mpeg2 |
| [20:11:00] | kormoc: | grnfvr, the 350 doesn't do hd |
| [20:11:00] | Flimzy: | If you're using HD, don't get the 350, either |
| [20:11:00] | Flimzy: | b/c the 350 output is only STD def |
| [20:11:00] | Flimzy: | You'd be better off using software decoding, and a vid card with DVI output |
| [20:11:00] | grnfvr: | and oly require decoding as all my content will already be mpeg2 either DTV broadcast or digital cable (via firewire) |
| [20:11:00] | Flimzy: | Unless you just like wasting all the capabilities of your HDTV by sending it 640x480 data |
| [20:12:00] | kormoc: | grnfvr, you don't even need a capture card to do firewire capture |
| [20:12:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: 99% of digital cable is worthless over firewire b/c it's encrypted |
| [20:12:00] | a1fa: | i hate mpeg2 |
| [20:12:00] | a1fa: | it is crazy sick |
| [20:12:00] | grnfvr: | sorry this is the card ive been looking at pcHDTV. HD-3000 |
| [20:12:00] | a1fa: | i need to transcode all my nuv's into mp4 |
| [20:12:00] | kormoc: | a1fa, then don't use it, get a bttv card |
| [20:13:00] | a1fa: | i am not familiar with bttw |
| [20:13:00] | a1fa: | bttv |
| [20:13:00] | grnfvr: | flimz, no you do not need capture card the remote firewire device is the capture device |
| [20:13:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: You're not using a firewire capable setop box then? |
| [20:13:00] | Flimzy: | alfa: You can have my bttv card for $10 |
| [20:13:00] | a1fa: | nah |
| [20:13:00] | Goshen: | ok, I just ordered the PVR-500MCE from ecost.com for $148.93 total |
| [20:13:00] | a1fa: | Goshen : u got ripped off |
| [20:13:00] | Flimzy: | Goshen: cool |
| [20:14:00] | Flimzy: | alfa: Only $5 more than I paid on newegg |
| [20:14:00] | grnfvr: | i want to do some dtv broadcast on the pchdtv card then some off the digital cable set top box, via firewire |
| [20:14:00] | a1fa: | i got mine for $142 w/ next day shipping |
| [20:14:00] | Goshen: | I couldn't get my bttv card to work, it worked fine with tvtime with the external audio cable patch |
| [20:14:00] | Flimzy: | I used my bttv card w/ myth for several months |
| [20:14:00] | Goshen: | but I couldn't ever get audio with mythv |
| [20:14:00] | Flimzy: | until I started getting free digital cable |
| [20:14:00] | Flimzy: | now I'm ordering all the parts to get that workin' |
| [20:15:00] | grnfvr: | im pretty sure i can get the DCT6200 from my cable provider |
| [20:15:00] | grnfvr: | don't have it right now |
| [20:15:00] | Goshen: | a1fa, from who? |
| [20:15:00] | Flimzy: | I have a DCT6412... which is the dual-tuner version of the DCT6200 |
| [20:15:00] | Goshen: | ecost has good customer service |
| [20:15:00] | Flimzy: | haven't gotten it working with myth yet |
| [20:15:00] | Flimzy: | but will try |
| [20:16:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr, who's your cable co? |
| [20:16:00] | grnfvr: | yeah looks like 6200 is the only one mentioned in the docs, you would think the dual tuner version would work as well |
| [20:16:00] | grnfvr: | it will be comcast |
| [20:16:00] | grnfvr: | don't have cable right now |
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| [20:16:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: It should. It uses the same driver in XP... and I got the 6200 'change the channel over firewire' bit to work in Linux |
| [20:17:00] | Flimzy: | just haven't gotten streaming working yet |
| [20:17:00] | grnfvr: | the 6200 does support hidef, right? |
| [20:17:00] | Flimzy: | yes |
| [20:17:00] | Flimzy: | But... only the local broadcast channels will work w/ myth |
| [20:17:00] | Flimzy: | b/c the others are encrypted |
| [20:17:00] | grnfvr: | ok, i was pretty sure, so yeah, sounds like we are after similar systems |
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| [20:17:00] | Flimzy: | (as are 99% of the digi channels) |
| [20:17:00] | grnfvr: | are you planning on doing DTV broadcast as well? |
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| [20:17:00] | grnfvr: | oh, i see what you are saying |
| [20:17:00] | grnfvr: | crap |
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| [20:18:00] | grnfvr: | i need espn |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | So I'll be trying to get HD-over-firewire to work for the available HD channels... everything else will have to go thru the PVR-500 |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | ESPN is analog here |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | atho ESPN-HD isn't |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | and probably won't worth thru myth w/o doing a HD->analog->SD Dig conversion |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | which really sucks |
| [20:18:00] | Goshen: | how much space does a dvd take when you put it in myth? |
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| [20:18:00] | grnfvr: | oh wait, so you are saying we can only capture local broadcast channells through the 6200? |
| [20:18:00] | Flimzy: | I'm hoping the 6412 will output in PAL... b/c it has better resolution than NTSC |
| [20:19:00] | Goshen: | does myth let you strip the extras and previews from dvd movies when you put them in? |
| [20:19:00] | Flimzy: | Then I can hopefully at least get that resolution |
| [20:19:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: Over firewire, you can only capture the unencrypted channels. Which is usually only the ones they're required to unencrypt by law... which means the local HD channels |
| [20:19:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: And the analog channels, which aren't encrypted anyway |
| [20:19:00] | grnfvr: | right |
| [20:20:00] | grnfvr: | ok, i wasn't aware of this, that really messes me up, but i see how it works not |
| [20:20:00] | grnfvr: | now* |
| [20:20:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: So for me, that means I can get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, and UPN HD (if/when they're all avialable in HD) |
| [20:20:00] | Flimzy: | HBO, ESPN, Discovery, etc, will all be encrypted HD |
| [20:20:00] | Flimzy: | and thus unuseable by me |
| [20:21:00] | Flimzy: | If you can find a capture card with DVI/HDMI inputs, you could capture the raw HD data... but then you'd have to compress it all again with your CPU. |
| [20:21:00] | Flimzy: | And AFAIK, such a card does not exist yet (at least not on the consumer market) |
| [20:21:00] | Flimzy: | and it certianly isn't supported by Linux |
| [20:21:00] | Flimzy: | :) |
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| [20:22:00] | Flimzy: | DRM sucks |
| [20:23:00] | Flimzy: | 1080p is not part of the HD standard |
| [20:23:00] | Flimzy: | I didn't think it was... but you puzzled me when you said you were getting a TV that supports it |
| [20:23:00] | Flimzy: | so I had to check |
| [20:23:00] | dant: | lots of TVs say they would support up to that |
| [20:24:00] | dant: | but most can't even manage 720p in native |
| [20:24:00] | grnfvr: | yeah this really sucks for me, cause i can get almost* everything i need off air, but not espn and fox sports |
| [20:24:00] | Flimzy: | I think I'm leaning toward the 37" LCD w/ 1366x768 resolution, over the 42" rear-projection |
| [20:25:00] | a1fa: | you can decrypt them |
| [20:25:00] | grnfvr: | ok, reading thru the part about 1080p, i thought there are like 5 or so versions of hd, one or two of which are 1080p |
| [20:26:00] | Flimzy: | alfa: Yeah, if you pay the licensing fees for the decryption keys |
| [20:26:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: The HD spec itself I think supports only up to 1080i |
| [20:26:00] | Flimzy: | grnfvr: But that doesn't mean a TV can't support things beyond the spec (altho it's probably mostly useless if they do, since there won't be any 1080p content to display... at least not for a long time) |
| [20:27:00] | grnfvr: | right, im with you, trying to find the link to the various hd standards |
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| [20:28:00] | grnfvr: | keep in mind possiblity of 1080p dvd content |
| [20:28:00] | grnfvr: | not sure what those formats look like |
| [20:28:00] | Flimzy: | yeah, but that'll still be a while |
| [20:28:00] | Chutt: | '1080p' is ambiguous. |
| [20:29:00] | grnfvr: | why? |
| [20:29:00] | Chutt: | there are, in fact, 2 1080p's in the atsc standard (what you probably meant by the 'HD spec'. |
| [20:29:00] | grnfvr: | yes it is, thanks, my delicious links are down so i can't find my stuff |
| [20:30:00] | grnfvr: | but those are what im talking about |
| [20:30:00] | Flimzy: | hmm, interesting |
| [20:30:00] | Chutt: | 24fps + 30fps |
| [20:30:00] | grnfvr: | i was saying "hd" cause not all atsc formats would be considered hd |
| [20:30:00] | grnfvr: | some are sd |
| [20:30:00] | grnfvr: | are you UK, flimz? |
| [20:31:00] | Flimzy: | no, Kansas |
| [20:31:00] | grnfvr: | k |
| [20:32:00] | Juski: | woo! all this time I'd been trying to do a <<wide>> theme and I hadn't called it with a name ending in -wide |
| [20:33:00] | grnfvr: | now here's the question, chutt, or anybody, do you know of a guide that identifies the format so you could find such 1080p programming were it to actually be broadcast |
| [20:34:00] | Chutt: | no one broadcasts it. |
| [20:34:00] | Chutt: | if it's not in the data from zap2it, then, i dunno. |
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| [20:37:00] | Flimzy: | Hmm, there's a 32" LCD I could get, too |
| [20:37:00] | grnfvr: | this link is good |
| [20:37:00] | grnfvr: | http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html |
| [20:37:00] | Flimzy: | looks like they're out of stock at my local store, tho |
| [20:38:00] | grnfvr: | stupid delicious is down, so i can't archive it, is anyone else not able to get to http://del.icio.us |
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| [20:38:00] | Flimzy: | The 26" is in stock... but that's smaller than my current SD CRT |
| [20:39:00] | Flimzy: | I might wait a while to find a better deal on an HDTV |
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| [20:43:00] | teevee: | I'm getting an error message that says something like "Can't create AudioOutput" and it asks to continue without sound |
| [20:43:00] | teevee: | it says to not disable OSS but it is enabled and working with xmms, mplayer, sound works fine |
| [20:44:00] | teevee: | It's an athlon64 laptop on gentoo emerged with frontendonly enabled |
| [20:44:00] | bfree: | teevee: is something else (like arts) holding the card open? |
| [20:44:00] | teevee: | hang on |
| [20:45:00] | teevee: | thanks, let me check to see if I can find anything like artsd, esd, etc. |
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| [20:46:00] | Chutt: | don't build frontend only. |
| [20:47:00] | Chutt: | and if you got the 'No useable audio output method found' message, you disabled OSS and you shouldn't have. |
| [20:47:00] | piksel: | I am using mythtv-0.16, and when I try to change settings, using the keyboard in mythfrontend, the screen just moves to the "Next" screen. I just want to check some of the boxes in the music ripping section. How can I do this? <space> and <enter> select "Next" instead of the item hi-lighted. |
| [20:47:00] | teevee: | Chutt: no, i have /dev/sound/dsp and it works |
| [20:47:00] | bfree: | piksel: right-left |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | no, in mythtv's configure script. |
| [20:48:00] | teevee: | Chutt: i built frontendonly on another computer here and it works fine |
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| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | i don't give a damn if you think it works fine, don't build it frontend only. |
| [20:48:00] | teevee: | Chutt: heh |
| [20:48:00] | Chutt: | the _only_ reason you should do a frontend only build is if you're on osx. |
| [20:50:00] | piksel: | bfree: the right-left keys aren't checking the check boxes for me. Do you know where the settings file might be (or its name) so I can edit these settings manually? |
| [20:51:00] | teevee: | Chutt: it wasn't frontendonly |
| [20:51:00] | teevee: | Chutt: but thanks, you helped me figure it out |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | there is no settings file, and 0.16 is too old to ask questions about. |
| [20:51:00] | teevee: | and btw, frontendonly works just fine |
| [20:51:00] | Chutt: | no, it doesn't. |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | Chutt: why not? |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | doesn' |
| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | it disables more than just the 'backend' stuff |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | t it break dependency checking or something? |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | oh, ok |
| [20:52:00] | Chutt: | the only reason it exists is for people porting to other operating systems. |
| [20:53:00] | teevee: | Chutt: Thanks, I'll remember you told me about that if I ever run into problems |
| [20:54:00] | Juski: | hey laga: starting to get a widescreen theme sorted now ;) |
| [20:54:00] | laga: | Juski: awesome :). sad that i don't have a widescreen system, though. do you have a prewview online? |
| [20:55:00] | Juski: | steady on... though I might do a grab of the main menu |
| [20:55:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [20:56:00] | grnfvr: | another good one.... http://tinyurl.com/dazuu |
| [20:57:00] | Juski: | here ya go : http://www.juski.co.uk/widehem.png |
| [20:57:00] | laga: | Juski: nice!! |
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| [21:00:00] | tweak_st: | anybody know a place that documents all the options for the xml files? |
| [21:00:00] | Juski: | thanks laga :) |
| [21:00:00] | Juski: | tweak_st.. what do you need to know? |
| [21:01:00] | tweak_st: | just the layout and stuff so i can mess around with it :) |
| [21:01:00] | Juski: | I've found 2 guides on theming.. none of them was much good beyond what I worked out for myself |
| [21:01:00] | tweak_st: | maybe you should make one! |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [21:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | mac mini 1.4ghz won't work for HDTV playback right? |
| [21:02:00] | Juski: | tweak_st: most of the screen areas' definitions – you'll see 4 coordinates. The 1st two are the start X & Y coordinates. The last two are the size in pixels (related to a 800x600 screensize for 4:3 or 1280x720 for 16:9) |
| [21:02:00] | Juski: | tweak_st: maybe you shouldn't be so cheeky! lol |
| [21:03:00] | tweak_st: | hehe |
| [21:03:00] | Netslayer: | nice — on the gossamerthreads site: "Why build a mythtv pvr – save the hassle with beyond tv pc magazines editors choice" |
| [21:03:00] | Juski: | oh, you mean in between updating my current project, having a side project, a job AND a life... heheheh |
| [21:03:00] | tweak_st: | you can always squeeze a little more in |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | Netslayer: got an url? |
| [21:04:00] | Juski: | tweak_st: yep. to the detriment of one of them |
| [21:04:00] | Netslayer: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | thanks. |
| [21:04:00] | Netslayer: | laga, the ad just appeared for me |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | Netslayer: oh, ok |
| [21:05:00] | Juski: | http://www.snapstream.com/products/beyondtv/d . . . gn=googlecpc |
| [21:05:00] | rage-: | I've got a pc with mythtv up and running fine... and I have another pc that I'm trying to connect to the backend of the original machine... this was all working fine, but then I upgraded my version of mysql on both machines. The one running the backend works fine still, but I can't connect to the backend with the other machine now. When I try to run the frontend or mythtv-setup I get a bunch of funny errors like "Unable |
| [21:05:00] | rage-: | to connect to database!" and "a lot like: "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." I can manually connect to the mysql server from the second pc (not running the backend) just fine, and access the database and all.. any ideas? |
| [21:05:00] | Juski: | ROFL |
| [21:07:00] | laga: | Juski: cute, isn't it? hehe |
| [21:08:00] | Juski: | rage: your question answered your question: it's to do with the mysql version |
| [21:09:00] | Juski: | either downgrade your mysql to the previous (working) version or grab the 0.18-fixes source from SVN (I think) |
| [21:09:00] | Juski: | ffs.. HOW long is the menu selection bar in BeyondTV? |
| [21:10:00] | rage-: | Juski, the pc running both a backend and frontend works fine, the other pc with just the frontend doesn't |
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| [21:11:00] | rage-: | if it was a myth not agreeing with a newer mysql, wouldn't the backend machine be effected too? |
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| [21:12:00] | Juski: | rage-: do both machines have the same version of mythtv? |
| [21:12:00] | rage-: | yes |
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| [21:14:00] | Juski: | hmm.. in that case, I don't know – sorry |
| [21:15:00] | tweak_st: | could be that qt library for communicating with sql (think its libqsqlmysql.so) is not there or a different version |
| [21:17:00] | rage-: | both computers have that file in the same spot |
| [21:17:00] | rage-: | :| |
| [21:17:00] | tweak_st: | the one that doesnt work has the newer version of mysql right? |
| [21:18:00] | rage-: | I updated mysql on both pc's |
| [21:19:00] | tweak_st: | same versions of qt as well? |
| [21:20:00] | rage-: | hrm |
| [21:21:00] | rage-: | why is qt even needed? (just wondering) |
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| [21:21:00] | tweak_st: | cuz thats what myth uses to make graphical menus and such |
| [21:21:00] | rage-: | ish :x |
| [21:21:00] | rage-: | why qt :x |
| [21:21:00] | tweak_st: | ask the devs :) |
| [21:22:00] | Juski: | Qt isn't only used for graphical stuff. A lot of the string handling & suchlike is done with QT |
| [21:22:00] | tweak_st: | yeah and database transactions |
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| [21:22:00] | jono: | hi all |
| [21:22:00] | Juski: | why reinvent the wheel? ;) |
| [21:22:00] | jono: | can anyone help me get my sound working on my pvr-350? |
| [21:23:00] | tweak_st: | cuz it shows your leet skillz |
| [21:24:00] | jono: | anyone? |
| [21:24:00] | jono: | I have video working fine, but no audio |
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| [21:36:00] | sona: | could anybody point me to a good howto for mythtv and dvb ? Im having problems with configuring the channels. |
| [21:37:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | yo, I have a fully functional MythTV box (woohoo) but problem is I can't change channels...no daggum usb/firewire on the directtv tuner |
| [21:37:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | what are my options? |
| [21:37:00] | \Grooby\_: | I would be interested in the DVB and channel thing |
| [21:37:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | obviously buying a new tuner |
| [21:37:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | is there one in particular anybody here an recommend |
| [21:38:00] | sona: | \Grooby\_: yeah, I now have listed every channel twice, first the tv_grab thingie wanted me to add channels and then I used the scan thingie and found all the same channels again.. dont know how this should owrk |
| [21:38:00] | sona: | frontend is black when I try to watch and no messages in/var/log/mythtv/ |
| [21:38:00] | laga: | sona: you need to assign the corresponding xmltv ids to the channels you've scanned |
| [21:39:00] | \Grooby\_: | I read somewhere that we need to manually modify the dvb scan channels's channel ID with the ones from zap2it (or wherever you get your program guide) |
| [21:39:00] | \Grooby\_: | i've not done this myself yet since I am still in the process of building the box |
| [21:39:00] | \Grooby\_: | but i wonder if there's a more clear instruction out there |
| [21:39:00] | sona: | laga: thank you, \Grooby\_ where did you read that ? |
| [21:39:00] | laga: | Juski: have you heard anything from coume lately? |
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| [21:40:00] | \Grooby\_: | I can't remember..i want to say the mailing list archive but I can be wrong |
| [21:40:00] | Ryushin: | sona: If you're in the US, did you QAM scan or OTA scan? |
| [21:40:00] | \Grooby\_: | ryushin, I use OTA |
| [21:41:00] | \Grooby\_: | (dunno about Sona tho) |
| [21:41:00] | sona: | Im in finland and did QAM scan |
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| [21:41:00] | sona: | is epg supported ? |
| [21:45:00] | stuarta: | sona: yes. |
| [21:45:00] | sona: | so hmm Id rather use that than tv_grab then if possible |
| [21:45:00] | stuarta: | sona, what version are you using. |
| [21:45:00] | sona: | 0.18.1 |
| [21:46:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: I use OTA for my myth box too. Though I just bought a new Samsung DLP that had a built in ATSC tuner, and it was able to find about 8 HD stations over standard cable. So I want to try the QAM scanning thing to try and get HD over cable as well. |
| [21:46:00] | stuarta: | you may still have to use tv_grab until a newer version comes out, lots has been fixed. |
| [21:46:00] | Juski: | laga: I've not seen coume for ages |
| [21:46:00] | Ryushin: | Is it possible to combine OTA signals with cable signals? Can I run both on the same wire? |
| [21:46:00] | \Grooby\_: | ryushin, how did you sync your zap2it program guide to your channel scans? |
| [21:51:00] | laga: | Juski: neither have i. sad. |
| [21:51:00] | Juski: | I hope his work situation is better now |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: Are you using SVN or 18.1? |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | 18.2 |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | i think |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | the newest in gentoo |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | The autoscan feature is fixed and MUCH improved in the current svn. |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | You may want to check it out. |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | (it's emerged..just haven't had the time to run the mythtvsetup yet, but I can mplay the HD stuff via azap tunning) |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | so autoscan will get me the channels |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | now how do I get the program guide? |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | or it grabs that off the air too? |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | But to fix it in 18.x, you need to do this run this fixup program that I downloaded that maps the xmlid's to the scanned channels. |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | ok |
| [21:51:00] | laga: | night guys. |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | that's the perl script i've read about |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | They have made so many improvements to DVB, that you really need to upgrade to SVN. |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | Yea. |
| [21:51:00] | Juski: | night laga. see you soon :) |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | night laga |
| [21:51:00] | laga: | Juski: maybe tomorrow ;). bye |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | Ryushin: probably my script |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | I got it from knopmyth. |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt |
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| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: There you go. Grab it and have fun. |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | really should start putting copyright info in my code. heh. |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | thanks! |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | hahahaha |
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| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | now i can really get the box up and running again |
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| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | (and my gf will not kill me by end of this weekend) |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | It looks like my replacement motherboard should be here in a few days. Then I can get my myth box turned back on. |
| [21:51:00] | Ryushin: | Is LiveTV fully fixed now in SVN? |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | \Grooby\_: haven't used this in AGES.. when I first ran it, it worked all automagic-like, though |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | ok..now being dumb..what's SVN? |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | svn == subversion (like cvs, but better) |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | xris, i'll give it a whirl tonight |
| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | ahh ok |
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| [21:51:00] | \Grooby\_: | we are now talking about bleeding edge here |
| [21:52:00] | sona: | ok, now I have added the xml-id to all my dvb channels, now I have 2 of every channel, how do I remove them from the channellist ? |
| [21:52:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: You'll just need to edit each scanned channel and remove the "_" between the channel names. 18.1 doesn't like "_",".","-" between channel names. |
| [21:52:00] | stuarta: | ryushin, it's a "work in progress" (TM) |
| [21:53:00] | Ryushin: | stuarta: Still huh? LOL |
| [21:53:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | anybody irblasting using directtv? |
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| [21:53:00] | stuarta: | It works, just has rough edges... :-) |
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| [21:53:00] | Ryushin: | I'm hoping XvMC is fixed. |
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| [21:53:00] | \Grooby\_: | ryushin, you talking about that perl script? |
| [21:54:00] | IA-Outdoors_: | hrm, so how is everybody here controlling channel changes with digitical cable/directtv? |
| [21:54:00] | stuarta: | dunno, are you keeping an eye on the relevant trac tickets? |
| [21:54:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: After running the script, you will need to edit the channels in mythtv-setup and remove the underscore. |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | ahh ok |
| [21:54:00] | Ryushin: | Or upgrade to svn and all your problems are solved. |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | I keeps my underscore there |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | i think it should still work |
| [21:54:00] | Ryushin: | Doesn't work with 18.1. I had to remove it in order for it to work. |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | at least when I was running knoppmyth R5A12 with ATSC driver instead of DVB |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | no kidding |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | hmmmm |
| [21:54:00] | \Grooby\_: | ok |
| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | thanks for warning me |
| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | :) |
| [21:55:00] | Ryushin: | knoppmyth may be different though. |
| [21:55:00] | Ryushin: | They make a good distro. |
| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | yeah |
| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | was using A12 for a good while |
| [21:55:00] | Ryushin: | I was just using the debian packages. |
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| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | til the backup/restore start running automagically and lost everything |
| [21:55:00] | \Grooby\_: | then I decided to redo the whole box with gentoo |
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| [21:56:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: Good idea. Is there checkinstall for gentoo? |
| [21:56:00] | \Grooby\_: | what's checkinstall? |
| [21:57:00] | Ryushin: | from the man page: checkinstall is used to build packages from the `make install' process, which then can be installed or uninstalled. |
| [21:58:00] | \Grooby\_: | you can just emerge --unemerge <package> |
| [21:58:00] | \Grooby\_: | unless we are talking about something different |
| [21:58:00] | Ryushin: | This way you can use SVN and roll back to previous version if necessary. You can also check out older versions easily as well in case something is broken in current SVN. |
| [21:58:00] | sona: | yes gentoo can do that |
| [21:58:00] | Ryushin: | Talking about compiling the myth source. |
| [21:58:00] | sona: | emerge* can do that |
| [21:59:00] | Ryushin: | Very cool. |
| [21:59:00] | \Grooby\_: | if you want to downgrade, you can just emerge <package-version> |
| [21:59:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: Then you should absolutely try svn. Just backup up your mysql database, just in case. |
| [21:59:00] | \Grooby\_: | i got nothing in the database |
| [21:59:00] | \Grooby\_: | it's a clean box |
| [21:59:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehehe |
| [22:00:00] | \Grooby\_: | is there a changelog for svn? |
| [22:00:00] | Ryushin: | I use svn to check out which version I want. |
| [22:00:00] | sona: | nah no picture yet :/ |
| [22:00:00] | sona: | 2005-11–29 00:00:07.608 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. |
| [22:00:00] | sona: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [22:00:00] | sona: | that seems to be the problem |
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| [22:01:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: You'll need to subscribe to the developers mailing list to see what is going on. Very, Very valuable. |
| [22:01:00] | Ryushin: | There is a lot going on with DVB now. |
| [22:01:00] | \Grooby\_: | looking through svn.mthtv.org right now |
| [22:01:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehehehe |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | i'll get the basic default up and running first |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | else my gf will have my head |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | if I have a sparebox to goof around with, then i'll try the svn |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | hehehehe |
| [22:02:00] | Ryushin: | It will still probably be easier using svn. |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | really? |
| [22:02:00] | Ryushin: | What cars do you have? |
| [22:02:00] | \Grooby\_: | wow |
| [22:03:00] | \Grooby\_: | 1 hd3k, 1 pvr350, 1 pvr150 |
| [22:03:00] | \Grooby\_: | (another pvr 150 sitting in the box since I ran out of pci slot) |
| [22:03:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: Almost my exact same set up. I have a hd3k, pvr350, pvr500. |
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| [22:04:00] | Ryushin: | Get ivtv 0.4, kernel 2.6.14, the beta version of lirc and you should be off in running. |
| [22:04:00] | \Grooby\_: | yeah |
| [22:04:00] | Eruantalon: | You guys know of anywhere I can get working/STILL working debian packages for mythtv |
| [22:04:00] | \Grooby\_: | i have almost everything running |
| [22:04:00] | Ryushin: | Eruantalon: What version of debian are you using? |
| [22:04:00] | \Grooby\_: | i just didn't know how to merge the dvb channel and my zap2it channels |
| [22:04:00] | \Grooby\_: | :) |
| [22:04:00] | Eruantalon: | Debian testing |
| [22:05:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: You won't have to using svn. |
| [22:05:00] | Eruantalon: | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian <-- this guy doesn't work for me |
| [22:05:00] | \Grooby\_: | after all these, i'll just have to hunt down a good modline for my tv |
| [22:05:00] | \Grooby\_: | lol |
| [22:05:00] | Ryushin: | Eruantalon: I got the 18.3–4 source packages and compiled thouse. Only way I could get it to wokr. |
| [22:06:00] | Ryushin: | Grooby: What kind of TV do you have? |
| [22:06:00] | Eruantalon: | Bummer |
| [22:06:00] | \Grooby\_: | ehhhh |
| [22:06:00] | Eruantalon: | well I suppose that is what I will have to do so.... |
| [22:06:00] | \Grooby\_: | panasonic LCD projector...forgot the model number |
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| [22:07:00] | \Grooby\_: | i am outputting via VGA |
| [22:07:00] | Ryushin: | Erantalon: I suggest getting the source packages, do a apt-get build-dep mythtv to install the necessary libraries. |
| [22:08:00] | Ryushin: | Then using the current SVN with checkinstall. From what I've been reading on the developers list, the deb packages are in a state of flux right now. |
| [22:08:00] | ** mace struggles with alsa ** | |
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| [22:09:00] | Ryushin: | Oh, install the compiled 18.1 deb packages, then remove them (don't use the purge command) and use svn. You'll just need to modify the init script to use /usr/local/bin/mythtv-backend instead of /usr/bin/mythtv-backed. His debian package will take care of a lot of the initial setup. |
| [22:10:00] | Ryushin: | mace: What does alsaconf do? |
| [22:11:00] | mace: | says it can't find any drivers |
| [22:11:00] | Ryushin: | mace: What distro are you using? |
| [22:11:00] | mace: | i do get sound, but only if i tell mplayer to use the -ao device=ens1371 |
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| [22:11:00] | mace: | debian, but it's a custom kernel'n'stuff so that's mostly irrelevant :) |
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| [22:15:00] | mace: | oh well, i'll stick with writing to ens1371 – i wanted to get the software mixer working but it just doesn't want to play ball |
| [22:16:00] | mace: | least i can switch tracks now without it sticking for 10 secons |
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| [22:16:00] | Eruantalon: | Ryushin: Ok, when you say his do you then mean dijkstra? |
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| [22:18:00] | Ryushin: | mace: I use debian too. Did you compile the necessary alsa drivers in your kernel? I had to for my custom 2.6.14. |
| [22:19:00] | Ryushin: | Eruantalon: Yea, that sound like it. Let me double check. |
| [22:19:00] | mace: | yeah, did that – as i said stuff's working if i specifically access ens1371 as specified in my .asoundrc config file, but if i try to set it up to default to that device, or indeed if i don't, i just get the looping effect |
| [22:20:00] | Eruantalon: | k thanlks |
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| [22:20:00] | Ryushin: | Erantalon: Oh, that's nice. he took them down. |
| [22:21:00] | Eruantalon: | Yeah, thats what i thought |
| [22:21:00] | Ryushin: | Let me see if I have them up on my server. |
| [22:22:00] | Ryushin: | Eruantalon: Boy, this is your lucky day: https://www.chrisdos.com/mythtv-18.1-9_debs.tar.bz2 |
| [22:22:00] | Ryushin: | http |
| [22:23:00] | Ryushin: | Not https. |
| [22:23:00] | Eruantalon: | thanks alot |
| [22:23:00] | Ryushin: | They are compiled against athlon though. |
| [22:23:00] | Ryushin: | What chip are you using? |
| [22:23:00] | Eruantalon: | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists . . . binary-i386/ <-- what about theese packages is this something else altogther? |
| [22:24:00] | Eruantalon: | Athlon 2600+ |
| [22:24:00] | Ryushin: | Those are it. |
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| [22:24:00] | Eruantalon: | ok |
| [22:25:00] | Eruantalon: | It seems he just renamed the directory |
| [22:25:00] | Eruantalon: | But why? |
| [22:25:00] | Ryushin: | My packages should be perfect for you then. I even compiled XvMC for nvidia in there for you. |
| [22:25:00] | Eruantalon: | |
| [22:25:00] | Ryushin: | He's not using debian anymore and he's not going to maintain them. |
| [22:26:00] | Eruantalon: | oh |
| [22:26:00] | Ryushin: | He posted to the developers mailing list to see if anyone wanted to take them over. There were a lot of volunteers but I don't know what came out of it. |
| [22:26:00] | Eruantalon: | I think I saw that actually |
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| [22:27:00] | Ryushin: | You will be in a much nicer situation if you install my packages. Play with it a bit. And then uninstall the deb packages and move over to svn. Just back up your mysql db just in case. |
| [22:27:00] | Kleptophobiac: | hey |
| [22:27:00] | Eruantalon: | The advantage with svn is that just that it is newer? |
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| [22:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | newer features, more bugfixes, nicer themes |
| [22:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | etc |
| [22:28:00] | Kleptophobiac: | badass new livetv mode |
| [22:28:00] | Ryushin: | Way newer and huge improvements in DVB, etc. |
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| [22:28:00] | Ryushin: | Myth development is happening quick. |
| [22:28:00] | Eruantalon: | Ok |
| [22:29:00] | Eruantalon: | Can you recommand a good tvtuner card? |
| [22:29:00] | Eruantalon: | Cheap preferably |
| [22:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | depends on what you want to do |
| [22:29:00] | Ryushin: | What were the new advantages in livetv mode? I know channel changing has been sped up at least with the PVR-x50/500 cards. |
| [22:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | bttv cards are cheap, but use lots of CPU power |
| [22:29:00] | Kleptophobiac: | the channel change speed and audio sync are about the only visible improvements |
| [22:29:00] | Eruantalon: | Yeah so i've heard |
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| [22:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | but more than one frontend can now watch the same livetv channel |
| [22:30:00] | Ryushin: | Do they make a PVR-500 with the remote control? |
| [22:30:00] | Kleptophobiac: | don't think so |
| [22:30:00] | Juski: | right.. time for bedski.. I'm going theme-blind |
| [22:30:00] | Juski: | night all |
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| [22:30:00] | Ryushin: | Then I think a pvr-250 card with the remote would be the best option for him. |
| [22:31:00] | Kleptophobiac: | or a 150 card with the remote – cheaper |
| [22:31:00] | Eruantalon: | I am thinking of putting together a box with mini itx onboard cpu(about 800 mHz), I am going to need a hardware enoder for that right!? |
| [22:31:00] | Ryushin: | night. |
| [22:31:00] | Kleptophobiac: | bbl, food |
| [22:31:00] | Ryushin: | Eruantalon: Oh, you're going to want that board that has the unichrome pro chipset with the dvi out. |
| [22:31:00] | Eruantalon: | dvi out? |
| [22:31:00] | Eruantalon: | Why? |
| [22:32:00] | Ryushin: | Oh yea. |
| [22:32:00] | Ryushin: | What country do you live in? |
| [22:32:00] | Eruantalon: | Denmark |
| [22:32:00] | Ryushin: | You don't have HD then right? |
| [22:32:00] | Eruantalon: | Everything is goddamn expensive |
| [22:32:00] | Eruantalon: | No |
| [22:33:00] | Eruantalon: | They are beginning to roll it out, but it is not anything i am looking to invest in |
| [22:33:00] | Ryushin: | Well, this is what I would do. |
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| [22:34:00] | Ryushin: | Find an inexpensive htpc case. Buy a motherboard that takes the AMD sempron 64 chipset. You will probably want one that has the unichrom pro chipset. Buy the PVR-350 card with the remote. You're done. |
| [22:35:00] | Eruantalon: | What does the unichrome do? |
| [22:35:00] | Ryushin: | I don't know what the prices in denmark would be, but this would be an inexpensive set up that would look nice and run great. |
| [22:36:00] | Ryushin: | The unichrome pro (you need that pro part) does mpeg2 decoding. Off loads your cpu. Lowers your CPU a lot for standard PAL and HD. |
| [22:36:00] | sona: | Im stuck :/ http://ior.sytes.net/~sona/mythtv.txt thats what happens when I start the frontend and watch tv, a blank screen, I tried chmod 777 on /mnt/store and /dev/dvb* but didn't help me at all, any suggestions ? |
| [22:36:00] | Eruantalon: | How big of a cpu would you recommend? |
| [22:37:00] | Ryushin: | Though, the PVR-350 card as a mpeg2 decoder, and if you TV takes a s-video, it will run right out of the pvr-350 card. No HD though. |
| [22:37:00] | cosmo_: | smaller cpus are better, so they can fit on your tv ;) |
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| [22:37:00] | Ryushin: | I got the sempron 64 2600+, which runs at 1600 mhz, which overlocks with the stock fan to 2000 mhz and runs perfectly stable. There is a lot of headroom in that chip. |
| [22:38:00] | Eruantalon: | How mouch noise in that setup? |
| [22:38:00] | Ryushin: | The motherboard with the unichrome pro chipset will cost about the same as the other 754 boards. |
| [22:38:00] | Eruantalon: | much* |
| [22:39:00] | Ryushin: | almost zero. That fan is silent. I could not hear it. I just made sure I got a power supply that was quiet. The fan in my DLP TV makes more noice than my pvr. |
| [22:40:00] | Eruantalon: | ok |
| [22:40:00] | Ryushin: | If I turn everything off, and sit down five feet from my pvr, I can just barely hear it. My case actually has a lot of ventalation in it and the noice is pretty much from the rear two 80mm fans. |
| [22:41:00] | Eruantalon: | Well I am going to save this conversation. Look at it tomorow and maybe come back and ask some more questions. |
| [22:41:00] | Eruantalon: | thanks again |
| [22:41:00] | Eruantalon: | It is getting late in Denmark |
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| [22:41:00] | Ryushin: | You might want to take a look at this case: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc17.htm |
| [22:43:00] | Eruantalon: | Godnight all |
| [22:43:00] | Ryushin: | night. |
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| [22:45:00] | jonK: | perchance is xris around? |
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| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | jonK, he's busy at the moment |
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| [22:51:00] | jonK: | thanks... I am wondering if some change has occured to mythweb, im getting a "call to undefined function" error, and wonder if it might be realted to some recent changeset |
| [22:51:00] | Ryushin: | Does xris and kormoc work together? |
| [22:51:00] | jonK: | in all kinds of weather |
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| [22:54:00] | SqWaw`: | I have like a million things listed in /dev/video* |
| [22:54:00] | SqWaw`: | There are close to 25 devices.... |
| [22:55:00] | SqWaw`: | And when I'm in mythtv-setup, none of them work.... |
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| [22:55:00] | Exiles: | ok, what distro is best suited for mythtv? |
| [22:55:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I'm having an interesting database problem — after a while I lose connection to the db, but only sortof |
| [22:56:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I can still read mythvideo/mythmusic, but not recorded tv or mythweather |
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| [22:56:00] | Kleptophobiac: | I have to restart the the mythbackend process to make it work again |
| [22:56:00] | SqWaw`: | Weird how everyone starts asking questions at the same time.... |
| [22:57:00] | Kleptophobiac: | lol |
| [22:57:00] | Exiles: | lol, but mine should be easy |
| [22:57:00] | Exiles: | I just need to know which distro is best for mythtv |
| [22:57:00] | SqWaw`: | Exiles are you linux experienced? |
| [22:58:00] | Exiles: | some, more FreeBSD though |
| [22:58:00] | SqWaw`: | Tried gentoo? |
| [22:58:00] | SqWaw`: | I use it... works great |
| [22:58:00] | Exiles: | no, bit on the lazy side |
| [22:58:00] | xris: | Ryushin: yes |
| [22:58:00] | AndyCap: | Exiles: knoppmyth? |
| [22:59:00] | Kleptophobiac: | anyway, here's what happens |
| [22:59:00] | Kleptophobiac: | http://pastebin.com/441583 |
| [22:59:00] | Kleptophobiac: | seems to happen at the start of a recording |
| [22:59:00] | Exiles: | yeah, thats more what I need |
| [22:59:00] | Exiles: | danm cd only |
| [22:59:00] | SqWaw`: | Exiles LOL. How about knoppymyth or mythdora? |
| [22:59:00] | SqWaw`: | Or one of those other releases.../ |
| [23:00:00] | SqWaw`: | AndyCap beat me to it... nm |
| [23:00:00] | SqWaw`: | BBL |
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| [23:01:00] | sona: | seriosly, how do I remove channels in the mythsetup ? |
| [23:01:00] | Kleptophobiac: | it's easier to do it in mythweb or by editing your datadirect account |
| [23:01:00] | Exiles: | mythdora, now that looks cool |
| [23:02:00] | Exiles: | thanks |
| [23:03:00] | AndyCap: | knoppmyth is installable on harddrive as well iirc. |
| [23:03:00] | AndyCap: | I use fedora core myself though |
| [23:03:00] | ** Kleptophobiac is an arch linux person, and is probably suffering for it ** | |
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| [23:07:00] | koderpat: | the logbot sucks |
| [23:07:00] | koderpat: | it needs search |
| [23:07:00] | Kleptophobiac: | ctrl-f |
| [23:07:00] | Kleptophobiac: | or |
| [23:07:00] | Kleptophobiac: | "/" |
| [23:08:00] | koderpat: | anyone know how to start a transcode from command line? |
| [23:08:00] | Kleptophobiac: | using mythweb and links |
| [23:08:00] | Kleptophobiac: | :p |
| [23:09:00] | Kleptophobiac: | oh wait, nvm |
| [23:09:00] | ** Kleptophobiac is retarded ** | |
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| [23:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | anyone want to postulate why I lose db connection on the recording after datadirect downloads? |
| [23:15:00] | Kleptophobiac: | http://pastebin.com/441583 |
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| [23:26:00] | Flimzy: | I postulate it's because you have a bad memory chip!! |
| [23:26:00] | Flimzy: | I'm sure I'm wrong |
| [23:26:00] | Flimzy: | but then you didn't ask for _intelligent_ postulations |
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| [23:34:00] | koderpat: | ooOoo theres a mythweb? |
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| [23:39:00] | mace: | anyone know what the "ivtv picture start overflow" message is all about, and whether i should be concerned? |
| [23:39:00] | mace: | also i'm running latest svn and general remote response seems to have really dropped off – i have to press buttons on the remote a number of times to get any response |
| [23:41:00] | koderpat: | irxevent method for the remote? |
| [23:42:00] | mace: | the what now? :) |
| [23:43:00] | koderpat: | I set it up from http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.6 |
| [23:43:00] | koderpat: | they said to use irxevent |
| [23:43:00] | koderpat: | and you can change the repeat value |
| [23:44:00] | mace: | ah |
| [23:44:00] | mirak (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-151-1-38-153.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:47:00] | koderpat: | if I wanted to remove a bad transcoded job, would I have to tear it out of mysql? |
| [23:50:00] | Flimzy: | that probably depends on whether or not the db is also corrupt |
| [23:50:00] | Flimzy: | you may be able to remove it from the program list even if the transcode is bad |
| [23:50:00] | Flimzy: | I've been able to do that on a few occasions in the past |
| [23:51:00] | hadees (n=hadees@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/hadees) Quit (Connection timed out) | |
| [23:52:00] | squeegy (n=mike@cpe-24-33-74-234.cinci.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:56:00] | mace: | koderpat: ok tried reducing the repeat time, but looks like myth is blatantly losing ir events, i've set it to 2 and still have to hammer away at the remote |
| [23:56:00] | Kleptophobiac: | my remote doesn't do auto repeat... I have to hammer even on regular tv |
| [23:57:00] | mace: | this has only changed in the last week or so of svn |
| [23:58:00] | Chutt: | aabsolutely nothing's changed wrt lirc in svn. |
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