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Sunday, November 20th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] eidolon: you're a sick man :)
[00:00:00] DCG: nah, unemployed bum is more like it
[00:00:00] Netslayer: nice someone's auction title on ebay: "ATI Remote Wonder – USB MCE/MythTV"
[00:00:00] DCG: yea
[00:01:00] DCG: $9 + $5 ship
[00:01:00] DCG: ends in a little over 1hr:30min
[00:02:00] DCG: someone selling a pre-built mythtv box for $650–850
[00:02:00] eidolon: heh
[00:02:00] Netslayer: nice
[00:02:00] DCG: and someone selling cds of mythtv.
[00:02:00] eidolon: as it gets more stable (and it's getting there), you'll see more and more of that.
[00:02:00] eidolon: slackmyth :)
[00:02:00] DCG: hrm, i should burn linux cds and get my gf to list them on ebay
[00:02:00] Netslayer: wow good job, custom desktop case, automation system, remote wonder
[00:02:00] eidolon: mmm. custom case.
[00:02:00] ** eidolon is using el cheaso random case. **
[00:02:00] eidolon: looks like crap :)
[00:02:00] DCG: yea
[00:03:00] Netslayer: "HACKmyth Extreme"
[00:03:00] Netslayer: "Plus, your system will download updates automatically, saving you the time and trouble of frequently checking for new update availability."
[00:03:00] Netslayer: um ya ok
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[00:05:00] eiggirC: hey all – who runs the wiki?
[00:05:00] eiggirC: there's an error when doing a search
[00:05:00] eiggirC: SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM cur,searchindex WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('ivtv')) AND (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('firmware')) ) AND cur_namespace IN (0,9,11) LIMIT 0, 20
[00:05:00] eiggirC: from within function "SearchEngine::showResults". MySQL returned error "1016: Can't open file: 'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".
[00:05:00] eidolon: well, it's following the path linux did.
[00:05:00] eidolon: soon as linux because stable, people started putting out cds.
[00:05:00] Juski: nobody runs wikis do they? they just kind of happen or something
[00:06:00] eidolon: i run several wikis. :)
[00:06:00] eiggirC: Juski: someone has to administer it.
[00:06:00] Juski: poof! there's another wiki
[00:06:00] eidolon: no, those are blogs.
[00:06:00] eidolon: they breed like bacteria.
[00:06:00] eiggirC: anyway – the wiki isn;t helping me with this question... where do I find a firmware file for ivtv? its not on the CD anywhere
[00:06:00] Juski: I've seen a good amount of link collections masquerading as wikis
[00:06:00] eidolon: (i say this as someone who has bee running a blog for the last, oh, 2 years :)
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[00:08:00] DCG: http://www.compu-shack.net/ccp5/media/images/ . . . il/712ss.jpg <- one of my backends is in that ugly monster
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[00:08:00] eidolon: i just took a pic of my setup. moment.
[00:08:00] DCG: eiggirC: read the gentoo mythtv howto, it includes a link to the ivtv pvr*.zip file with the firmware
[00:08:00] eidolon: that's not a bad case.
[00:09:00] eidolon: i look forward to the day when i split my back end off my main machine.
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[00:10:00] DCG: i run a wiki/blog, a blog/forum, write code, and manage servers for some folks (and dont get paid often or near enough for any of it)
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[00:11:00] DCG: the one in that case acts as a firewire capture, and wifi ethernet bridge
[00:11:00] DCG: i've got 2 xbox frontends
[00:11:00] DCG: and a frontend on my main backend machine
[00:11:00] CanadaBoy: DCG .. u like them?
[00:11:00] DCG: like what/who?
[00:11:00] CanadaBoy: as in they work good
[00:11:00] CanadaBoy: the xbox frontends
[00:12:00] CanadaBoy: im looking at getting one
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[00:12:00] eidolon: http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/mythtv.jpg <-- that's my current setup. Butt ugly, but it's all working. the 21" monitor is there until i get the s-video nvidia card.
[00:12:00] DCG: uhm, they are slow, can't handle hd streams, and crash sometimes on mpeg2 ts streams
[00:12:00] DCG: heh
[00:12:00] CanadaBoy: o ya ... that isn't too hot ...
[00:12:00] CanadaBoy: what version of xbox?
[00:12:00] DCG: 1.0's
[00:13:00] CanadaBoy: o wonder if 1.6's would be any better
[00:13:00] DCG: prolly not.
[00:13:00] DCG: same guts for the most part, cept a crappier video encoder
[00:13:00] DCG: all they changed btwn 1.0–1.6 is the usb hub, video encoder, and bios rom
[00:14:00] DCG: none of the major onboard components changed
[00:14:00] eiggirC: DCG: thanks dude.
[00:14:00] DCG: still 733mhz celeron PIII mobile, 64mb ram, NV2A @ 233MHz
[00:14:00] CanadaBoy: DCG ... hmmm well
[00:14:00] CanadaBoy: ya doesn't cut it does it ...
[00:15:00] DCG: it works fine for lowend mpeg4 content from my bttv card
[00:15:00] DCG: havent tried decoding the mpeg2 stream from the ivtv stuff yet
[00:15:00] CanadaBoy: mabey i will go with: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/slim_p . . . .php?UID=431
[00:15:00] DCG: but i know it puked regularly on the stream from my hd box
[00:15:00] DCG: eek, P4
[00:15:00] DCG: i tend to stay away from intel right now
[00:16:00] DCG: nice case
[00:16:00] CanadaBoy: just need to see if it will run linux /w rmeote
[00:16:00] CanadaBoy: ya i know im amd also ... but that case is so right!
[00:16:00] DCG: i'd buy the black version though to blend in with other components
[00:16:00] bal00: I'm trying to compile lirc for an Avermedia DVB-T 771, but I allways get a "Too many levels of symbolic links"
[00:16:00] bal00: any ideas where the error is coming from?
[00:16:00] DCG: i'd be more comfortable with a C3 in a case like that for a frontend
[00:16:00] fir3st0rm: mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:17:00] fir3st0rm: i get that error after upgrading with svn
[00:17:00] DCG: fir3st0rm: your install is fubar, try running ldconfig to rehash the library cache, find where your libmythtv-0.18.so.0 is, and adding it to /etc/ld.so.conf
[00:17:00] fir3st0rm: what's wrong?
[00:18:00] DCG: its prolly in /usr/local/lib so you might have to add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf
[00:18:00] DCG: then run ldconfig again to rehash things
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[00:19:00] DCG: CanadaBoy: i also dont know if the lcd is supported in linux
[00:20:00] CanadaBoy: i think there is an mythlcd addon
[00:21:00] CanadaBoy: but ya i gues syour night i don't know about the lcd
[00:21:00] eidolon: CanadaBoy: friend of mine has that case.
[00:22:00] fir3st0rm: tnx it works :)
[00:22:00] DCG: fir3st0rm: np
[00:22:00] CanadaBoy: eidolon: with mythth on it?
[00:22:00] eidolon: nah. she runs xp on it.
[00:22:00] CanadaBoy: awk!
[00:22:00] eidolon: case is nice though :)
[00:22:00] dev-: sed!
[00:22:00] ** eidolon has a pair of shuttleX cases. **
[00:22:00] CanadaBoy: wuick run over and test linux+ mythtv
[00:22:00] fir3st0rm: now the frontend :)
[00:22:00] DCG: CanadaBoy: i'd be more likely to go with thisone: http://www.msi.com.tw/html/active/2004/mega/p . . . egapc180.htm
[00:22:00] Dibblah: Case? What's that?
[00:22:00] DCG: Dibblah: you use cardboard boxes?
[00:23:00] eidolon: ooo. thats nice.
[00:23:00] Dibblah: My test myth box has been upgraded. It's now got a motherboard tray.
[00:23:00] DCG: heh
[00:23:00] CanadaBoy: dcg nice ...
[00:23:00] eidolon: betcha a zillion bucks ther'es nothing even remotely linux-like for it.
[00:23:00] Dibblah: No case – Just the tray.
[00:23:00] CanadaBoy: but would have same issues ... remote and lcd
[00:23:00] CanadaBoy: is thry didn't work cse is kinda usless
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[00:24:00] CanadaBoy: o plus its amd
[00:25:00] Bjerre: Re the MSI cases : Please please check their noise level. It can be over the roof
[00:25:00] CanadaBoy: o ya
[00:25:00] DCG: thats why they make dynamat :)
[00:25:00] Netslayer: there just got two remote wonders.. hopefully they'll work better than these rfs
[00:26:00] eidolon: hey, anyone used the mythfrontend win xp stuff?
[00:26:00] ** eidolon has an xp box sitting right here. sort of curious how well it works. **
[00:26:00] Netslayer: there's such a thing?
[00:26:00] CanadaBoy: well .... i still need to decide xbox fronentd or barebones system
[00:26:00] eidolon: last time i tried it it was a zillion installs.
[00:26:00] DCG: eidolon: i tried it, it crashed like crazy
[00:26:00] DCG: i just use dsmyth + mythweb
[00:27:00] eidolon: dsmuth?
[00:27:00] DCG: directshow mythtv filters for demuxing .nuv's and playing rtjpeg & mpeg4
[00:27:00] DCG: not tried to get closed captioning yet, but it works for watching shows
[00:28:00] eidolon: whoah. huh. will they stream it?
[00:28:00] DCG: no good for streaming live tv
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[00:28:00] eidolon: livetv. eh. recorded shows would be okayu. but i had move the entire .nuv file t my machine before viewing.
[00:28:00] eidolon: big honkin files.
[00:28:00] fir3st0rm: there's no xmame error anymore :D
[00:28:00] fir3st0rm: but something's wrong with livetv
[00:28:00] fir3st0rm: i only get black/white and it's scaled wrong
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[00:28:00] DCG: i was able to stream files over http just fine from my mythweb
[00:29:00] eidolon: huh.
[00:29:00] DCG: fir3st0rm: check that you have the right firmware for your card if you use ivtv
[00:30:00] eidolon: i dont know directshow at all.
[00:30:00] fir3st0rm: i don't know what ivtv is so i guess i don't use it ;)
[00:30:00] DCG: eidolon: only prob i had with streaming the .nuv's over http was when the bitrate went over 3000mbit total for the stream + overhead cause my wifi couldnt keep up
[00:30:00] eidolon: heh
[00:30:00] eidolon: xp box and mythbackend are on hardwire :)
[00:30:00] DCG: eidolon: directshow = modern windows codec system, part of directx
[00:30:00] eidolon: only my laptop is on wifi.
[00:31:00] DCG: http://dsmyth.sf.net
[00:31:00] ** eidolon bookmarks :) **
[00:31:00] DCG: use those codecs with media player classic & videolanclient
[00:32:00] eidolon: my roomie will be wanting to record a ton of the olympics coming up. if she can watch them from her laptop, she'll be ecstatic.
[00:32:00] DCG: heh
[00:32:00] eidolon: mm. vlc.
[00:32:00] DCG: in svn/cvs/whatever theres support for live transcoding to vlc clients
[00:33:00] DCG: and mms:// windows media too i think
[00:33:00] DCG: brb
[00:33:00] eidolon: yeah, i'm a ways away from doing myth builds from svn.
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[00:34:00] fir3st0rm: woohoo i got mythgame and xmame working :D
[00:34:00] eidolon: fir3st0rm: cool!
[00:34:00] eidolon: tell me you did it on a knoppmyth install?  :)
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[00:35:00] fir3st0rm: i did it on a knoppmyth install
[00:35:00] eidolon: and now tell me you documented the steps you took so i can do it?  :)
[00:35:00] ** eidolon is running knoppmyth and has... um. some roms. **
[00:36:00] ** fir3st0rm was jokeling ;) **
[00:36:00] ** eidolon loses. **
[00:36:00] fir3st0rm: knoppmyth
[00:36:00] fir3st0rm: i hate livecds
[00:37:00] eidolon: i know knoppmyth hosed the xmame install... i haven't touched it in reality though yet.
[00:37:00] fir3st0rm: no way to customize your system
[00:37:00] squeegy: i'm changing my font size in the appearance section and nothing is changing... (OS X fwiw)
[00:37:00] ** eidolon just did a bunch of X tunings to get fonts to display right. **
[00:37:00] fir3st0rm: eidolon: you have xmame and mythtv running on knoppmyth?
[00:37:00] eidolon: i have mythtv running on it, i haven't even tried to start xmame yet.
[00:38:00] squeegy: eidolon: yeah that's what i think i did on my linux front end, but OS X is slightly different..
[00:38:00] ** eidolon nods **
[00:38:00] eidolon: i suppose i could try just running xmame from the command line. but i'd prefer to use mythgame.
[00:38:00] fir3st0rm: eidolon: just set up the emulator and rom path in the frontend games settings
[00:38:00] eidolon: there was something about a missing rom database...
[00:38:00] fir3st0rm: dunno
[00:39:00] eidolon: k. i'll noodle with it soon.
[00:39:00] fir3st0rm: atm i have just one rom in rom path and it's working
[00:39:00] eidolon: right now i'm pulling up oe of my ancient machines that has about 12 gig of mp3's on it.
[00:39:00] eidolon: gonna copy them over ;)
[00:39:00] fir3st0rm: do you have xmame roms eidolon btw?
[00:39:00] eidolon: yes.
[00:40:00] fir3st0rm: where did you get them?
[00:40:00] eidolon: er.
[00:40:00] eidolon: i own the roms to several games...
[00:40:00] eidolon: so i pulled the images off mame.dk originally...
[00:41:00] eidolon: (like, the physical roms i mean)
[00:43:00] DCG: heh
[00:43:00] DCG: i have a bootleg frogger rom, does that mean i can legally download the bootleg frogger romset?
[00:44:00] DCG: heh
[00:44:00] eidolon: heh. talking strictly legally here? no :)
[00:44:00] eidolon: i have the real roms (actually, the whole motherboards)
[00:44:00] eidolon: as much as you can call some of these things 'motherboards'. one is a 1981 Centipede game mainboard.
[00:46:00] fir3st0rm: i have problems with some roms when launching them with xmame
[00:46:00] eidolon: roms go through regular revisios.
[00:46:00] eidolon: or
[00:46:00] eidolon: more to the point, mame goes through revisions, and older rom mimages may not work.
[00:46:00] fir3st0rm: it says there are some files not found
[00:47:00] fir3st0rm: but with gxmame it works
[00:47:00] ** eidolon nods **
[00:47:00] eidolon: that's sort of its generic 'failure'mode
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[00:47:00] fir3st0rm: ?
[00:48:00] fir3st0rm: what can i do to fix the roms then?
[00:48:00] eidolon: i -think- they have to be re-generated.
[00:48:00] eidolon: i'm not a total rom expert.
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[01:16:00] mofu: any work going on for side-by-side Picture in Picture for Widescreens?? 2 4:3 pics in 16:9 ??
[01:17:00] Juski: mofu: I doubt it
[01:17:00] Juski: as I've seen people say before: we look forward to seeing your patch
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[01:23:00] Juski: anyway, what with everything going HDTV these days, and bearing in mind how CPU intensive playing back _one_ video stream of HDTV is...
[01:28:00] eidolon: heh
[01:28:00] sphing: Juski: is it that much/
[01:28:00] eidolon: i'd love to contribute code into myth, but i don't even know what it's written in. mythweb is php (that i know :) – but ...
[01:29:00] Juski: I'm not sure exactly how much CPU HDTV eats up, but I think 1080i will keep a 3GHz athlon very busy
[01:30:00] Juski: just going by what I've heard anyway
[01:30:00] sphing: so via C3 wont cut it?
[01:30:00] Juski: hahahahahahaha
[01:30:00] squeegy: i'm no expert, but wouldn't the gpu handle some of hte processing?
[01:30:00] Juski: saying that though...
[01:31:00] Juski: there's a rumour going around that the newest EPIA board can juuust about do 1080 with its onboard decoder
[01:31:00] Juski: and its CPU is only 1.3GHz
[01:31:00] sphing: lol... i dont even have an HD tv so i'm not worried
[01:32:00] sphing: but i'm just curious...
[01:32:00] Juski: neither do I, sphing, but I know it's coming
[01:32:00] sphing: yea i know ha
[01:32:00] Juski: in Europe it's more likely to be MPEG4 than MPEG2 though.. and that's gonna be a bit of a headache to decode
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[01:33:00] Juski: much more complex to encode mpeg4, see
[01:35:00] sphing: mmm i cant wait til they get the xbox 360 modded
[01:36:00] sphing: for sure that will play hd content
[01:36:00] Juski: little question for yous.. I've got this avi.. it has two soundtracks & the primary one is Spanish. I haven't got enough keys on my remote to bind a 'switch soundtrack' button – so is there a way I can remove the extra audio?
[01:37:00] Juski: the 360 will be pwn3d before too long I'm sure
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[01:38:00] eiggirC: DCG: your hint about a firmware file for the pvr-150 at the gentoo mythtv howto page was wrong – theres firmware links for the pcHDTV3000 not the pvr-150
[01:39:00] sphing: yea... i'm not sure about your 2 avi problem... you could make a keybinding?
[01:39:00] Juski: sphing... I'd ideally just like to remove the Spanish audio if possible
[01:40:00] Juski: dont want to be messing around pressing buttons just to get it playing right
[01:40:00] sphing: yea... i dont kno i'm not much of a transcoding guru
[01:40:00] sphing: by any means
[01:41:00] eiggirC: dcg: sorry – you WERE right.... http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup . . . all_Firmware
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[01:42:00] Juski: ahh I think I just found the answer.. the morgan stream switcher.. failing that I guess I could make a custom player command linked to the file in mythvideo
[01:42:00] sphing: mm didnt know you could do that
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[01:44:00] sphing: Juski: the 360 has a tv encoder
[01:44:00] sphing: mmmm cant want til we can get linux on that
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[01:51:00] Juski: better than that – it's got a dvi output hasn't it?
[01:51:00] sphing: yup
[01:51:00] sphing: o i cant wait... its gonna be a couple months... but when it does...
[01:56:00] psofa: so any of u has a full mythtv pvr?
[01:56:00] psofa: and is it what u expected?
[01:57:00] Sean3899: MythTV is awesome. But I've been struggling with getting it working perfectly for eevverrr
[01:57:00] eiggirC: same Sean3899
[01:57:00] eiggirC: I just got a PVR card working so it should go better now
[01:58:00] univac: i've been using mythtv for about 2 years now... love it
[01:59:00] Juski: I've been using mythtv for just over 12 months.. love it to bits
[01:59:00] Juski: infact I love it so much I just made a new theme (watch this space)
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[02:00:00] univac: biggest problem i had was system crashes when using tv-out. i tried different kernels, versions of X, etc. turned out to be a bad mobo. now it just works, weeks on end
[02:01:00] univac: does anyone out there have both a PVR-150 and a PVR-250?
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[02:04:00] sphing: univac: i've heard alot ofproblem
[02:04:00] sphing: psofa: its unbelievable
[02:04:00] univac: with what, sphing?
[02:04:00] sphing: a 150 and a 250
[02:04:00] sphing: ivtv doest like them or so i hear
[02:04:00] univac: mixing them?
[02:04:00] sphing: yea
[02:05:00] psofa: and hows the quality ?
[02:05:00] sphing: of?
[02:05:00] psofa: the encoding
[02:05:00] psofa: and the live tv function
[02:05:00] univac: i have a 250, works great. looking to add a 2nd card.
[02:05:00] sphing: my one complaint is changing channels
[02:05:00] sphing: it takes a little while
[02:05:00] sphing: ... but i dont watch live tv except for sports
[02:06:00] Juski: can peeps give me their opinions on this please? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/images/ .. just previews mind ;)
[02:06:00] univac: is the PVR-500 more similar to the 150, or 250?
[02:06:00] Sean3899: There's no delay if you grab the video stream through /dev/video32, but I dunno if you can set mythtv up to work with it
[02:07:00] sphing: Juski: it looks goo
[02:07:00] Sean3899: it's raw, no compression
[02:07:00] sphing: Sean3899: yea, i kno but thats the problem
[02:07:00] sphing: it forces myth to do the encoding
[02:07:00] Juski: goo?
[02:07:00] Juski: what's goo?
[02:07:00] sphing: on a p3–500 not gonna be so good
[02:07:00] Sean3899: So you could use it then?
[02:07:00] sphing: good
[02:07:00] sphing: goo = good
[02:08:00] Juski: thanks... looking for constructive criticism.. one person has already said "but it's not blue" lol
[02:08:00] sphing: Sean3899: is that what you use?
[02:09:00] Juski: toying with the idea of making another one along the lines of Apple's Frontrow, though obviously without the flashy rotating, juggling icons
[02:09:00] Sean3899: No, I was just playing with it one day. Just to see if I could see any difference in video quality.
[02:09:00] squeegy: i wish i could hack frontrow to have an option to run mythtv
[02:09:00] squeegy: then have a mimiced mythtv theme
[02:09:00] Skaface: i want flashy juggling icons
[02:10:00] squeegy: so do i
[02:10:00] squeegy: :)
[02:10:00] sphing: anyone using firewire as input
[02:10:00] Sean3899: Juski: That frontend rocks.
[02:10:00] Sean3899: Some cable boxes have firewire outputs I hear?
[02:10:00] Juski: I might even get an idea of my own one day ;)
[02:11:00] Juski: thanks, Sean3899
[02:11:00] sphing: Sean3899: yes, its the only way of getting HD from cable
[02:11:00] Sean3899: Oohhhhh
[02:11:00] sphing: *from digital cable
[02:11:00] Sean3899: So that's how it's done.
[02:11:00] Juski: heh we can dream on the UK.. HD?
[02:12:00] sphing: anyone managed to use USB to control a cable box?
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[02:13:00] toom: morngin
[02:13:00] sphing: ... not for everyone
[02:13:00] toom: keep it for your next one :)
[02:13:00] sphing: will do
[02:13:00] eiggirC: is there a mythtv frontend for palmos ?
[02:14:00] Sean3899: There's mythweb, but I have no experience with that.
[02:14:00] Sean3899: I want linux on my tungsten c.
[02:14:00] sphing: eiggirC: look forward to your patch ;)
[02:15:00] Juski: there's the very barest of bones of a windows frontend
[02:15:00] Juski: I think that's as close as you'll get for now
[02:15:00] sphing: Juski: your mythvideo theme is phenominal
[02:16:00] Juski: sphing: totally lifted the idea & some of the graphics from GreyFoxx, who got the idea from Chokemanic, who did the Project Mayhem skin for Xbox Media Center
[02:16:00] briand: Juski: got screen shots of this theme?
[02:17:00] Juski: which theme? the one I've just (I think) finished?
[02:17:00] Juski: or Project Mayhem on the xbox?
[02:17:00] briand: yours
[02:17:00] Juski: scroll up, briand
[02:18:00] toom: Juski: i'm still waiting for the screenshoz
[02:18:00] Juski: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/images/
[02:18:00] toom: thx :) (no backlog)
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[02:18:00] Juski: it only has one dependency.. the Verdana font but that's not set in stone just yet
[02:19:00] Juski: it's the man himself :)
[02:19:00] Juski: hi GreyFoxx
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: yo
[02:19:00] Juski: Project Grayhem: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/images/
[02:19:00] Juski: that's the last time I'm posting the link now... or I might get kicked or something
[02:21:00] toom: thats the same link..
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[02:22:00] Juski: might need to play with the contrast a tad.. I calibrated my TV with a test DVD a while back & the new graphics look a little too light
[02:22:00] briand: Juski: looks nice.  :) what is your MythTV setup? output to??
[02:22:00] Juski: 16:9 32" TV
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Looks pretty nifty :)
[02:23:00] briand: nice.
[02:23:00] Juski: the lines QT draw look too flickery on my EPIA svid output though
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[02:24:00] briand: one of these days, I need to figure out why MythMusic crashes...
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[02:24:00] briand: probably, I just need to (re)set some playback options for xine/mplayer correctly.
[02:24:00] Juski: thanks GreyFoxx: waiting to hear from Mr Choke about permission to spread it around a bit
[02:25:00] Juski: it was tempting just to use google images for stock pictures, but I thought better of it & mangled my own and his
[02:26:00] Juski: thing is I've already thought about how it could be better.. if all the watermarks were at an oblique angle (depth-wise) and had reflections..
[02:28:00] eiggirC: sphing: -grin-
[02:29:00] eiggirC: right now I can't even get xawtv to work
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[02:29:00] eidolon: jeez. i'm moving my entire mp3 collection to the myth box. i was using an old 10bt hub, getting about 960k/sec throughpout. I swapped it out for my 100bt hub, and voila! 5.6mbit/sec. THATS better.
[02:30:00] eiggirC: interesting that its not 10x speed increase
[02:30:00] eiggirC: :)
[02:30:00] Juski: course it's not 10x speed increase
[02:30:00] eidolon: what juski said.
[02:30:00] Sean3899: Why isn't it?
[02:31:00] Juski: reflections, collisions...
[02:31:00] eiggirC: "overheads"
[02:31:00] eidolon: i could probably do better with a switch.
[02:31:00] eidolon: ethernet can never get past about 60% utilization before colliusions throttle it.
[02:31:00] eiggirC: eidolon: no – in a low-load environment a hub is actually superior
[02:31:00] eidolon: eiggirC: *nod* this is low-load. just me typing on irc and the transfer :)
[02:31:00] eiggirC: of course noone has a low load
[02:31:00] eidolon: actually, i'm on the wireless, which is segmented away.
[02:32:00] eiggirC: eidolon: low load is a couple packets a second.
[02:32:00] eidolon: heh
[02:32:00] eidolon: right. i mean, i could just go x-over cable and really scream the cable.
[02:32:00] eidolon: but going from 4 1/2 hours to transfer all my mp3's down to about 25 minutes is just fine by me.
[02:32:00] eiggirC: fair enough
[02:32:00] philobyte: newbie... got a Hauppauge 500. Can see & tune stuff with mplayer & ivtv, but mythtv is black...
[02:32:00] eiggirC: should xawtv work with a pvr-150?
[02:33:00] Juski: I've got more than 25GB of mp3s.. and it just keeps growing
[02:33:00] bobc: so is it normal with the new LiveTV in svn to get an invalid file handle for the file when starting LiveTV or changing channels? Works, but wondering about the comment.
[02:33:00] Juski: takes mythmusic a while to load up
[02:33:00] eiggirC: Juski: time to start purging
[02:33:00] eidolon: Juski: i stopped adding when we moved 5 months ago. this server that i'm offloading from had the archive on it (about 13gig). i added 4 gig from my laptop, now i can start ripping again.
[02:33:00] eidolon: i have like 500+ cd's. :(
[02:33:00] Juski: yeh the CD singles have been moved out of mythmusic
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[02:34:00] Juski: I need to start recording my vinyl again
[02:34:00] eidolon: http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/out.txt <-- note the performance jump in throughput. The pause is when i swapped to the 100bt hub :)
[02:35:00] univac: philobyte: did you look at the mythtv recorded stream to determine if it's just a playback problem?
[02:36:00] philobyte: I'm just looking at live tv... I look at mplayer -framedrop /dev/video0 and it's OK
[02:37:00] univac: philobyte: when you're watching live tv, myth should be saving the buffered info somewhere. try looking at that file with mplayer.
[02:37:00] univac: e.g. /mythvid/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv
[02:38:00] philobyte: It's never writing anything to the store... then only thing there is nfslockfile.lock
[02:39:00] univac: it's probably not seeing the device at all then.
[02:39:00] Sean3899: If you stop watching tv, the file is going to disappear
[02:40:00] philobyte: in stderr of mythfrontend it says... ''Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()."
[02:40:00] Skaface: does mythbackend report any problems?
[02:41:00] philobyte: Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles huh?
[02:41:00] univac: indeed
[02:42:00] philobyte: The card does mpeg decoding right? shouldn't I just get a raw stream... Why would I want to
[02:42:00] philobyte: re-encode it?
[02:42:00] univac: mpeg encoding.
[02:43:00] univac: decoding is done by the cpu
[02:43:00] univac: re-encoding is optional
[02:45:00] philobyte: So I put it in mpeg4 but another message is still around Error, cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp' device or resource busy. mplayer has no problem, but gmplayer does (cannot open either)
[02:46:00] univac: philobyte: why mpeg4?
[02:46:00] philobyte: haven't a clue, looked spiffier than rtjpeg
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[02:48:00] univac: philobyte: i think you need to go thru the card setup from the beginning, with mythtvsetup
[02:48:00] bobc: philobyte: did you set it up as 2 PVR-x50s in mythbackend?
[02:48:00] univac: make sure you have the right card type selected
[02:50:00] philobyte: It's the first time I've used any of this stuff. I've got /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, and with mplayer I can independently tune them, but I can't figure out where to enter anyy info in myth
[02:50:00] univac: you have run mythtvsetup?
[02:50:00] bobc: philobyte: quit mythbackend, then run mythtvsetup
[02:52:00] philobyte: ok... I've asked it to delete all my capture and channel settings. What is the card.. is it a) capture card or b) video source?
[02:52:00] bobc: capture card
[02:52:00] bobc: video source is your cable or satellite lineup
[02:53:00] philobyte: OK, I guess it is a standard V4L capture card?
[02:53:00] bobc: no, it is a PVR-x50
[02:53:00] bobc: mpeg2
[02:54:00] bobc: standard V4L would be bttv based
[02:54:00] philobyte: OK...
[02:54:00] philobyte: default input is tuner 0 then...
[02:54:00] bobc: if you're using the coax input
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[02:56:00] philobyte: yup. NTSC... us-cable ... OK so I did that, got out and There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program? So I am back in. No subscription yet. I just want to see if it works at all.
[02:57:00] univac: do you already have subscription to zap2it?
[02:58:00] philobyte: no, that's what I meant
[02:58:00] univac: right, sorry
[02:58:00] eiggirC: what if its the RF aerial input? whats that called?
[02:58:00] bobc: go ahead and get the subscription. it won't really work right without it and I promise it will work if it works with mplayer.
[02:59:00] eiggirC: I've managed to get mplayer to show static if I run mplayer /dev/video0
[02:59:00] toom: guys. when i do a mythfilldatabase, the chanids in the program table are 1001–1007 but when I scan using the channel editor, the chanids are different. how can i fix that?
[03:00:00] toom: i think they need to match to make the tv guide working
[03:06:00] univac: toom: my chanids are also numbered from 1001. not sure where you see chanid in the channel editor
[03:06:00] toom: you don't
[03:06:00] Juski: chanid is just a key used internally
[03:07:00] univac: right, i never had to worry about them
[03:07:00] toom: do you use mythweb and its guide?
[03:08:00] univac: yes
[03:08:00] toom: Juski: right, and it's used to map the channels from tv_grab to the channels that mythsetup scanned
[03:10:00] philobyte: OK... so now I exist on zaptoit, but when I go into video source it only wants to know about XMLTV How do I give it my account info?
[03:11:00] univac: tell it to use datadirect
[03:12:00] univac: Listings Grabber->North America (DataDirect)
[03:19:00] toom: right, now i've updated the mysql table to match the ids in the channel tab to the ones in program
[03:19:00] toom: see what happens if i update
[03:21:00] philobyte: how does it take for the data direct service to work... I can log in at the website just fine, but 'retrieve listings' returns not authorized
[03:22:00] univac: run mythfilldatabase from a terminal, see what happens
[03:24:00] philobyte: uthorization failed
[03:24:00] philobyte: Authorization failed
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[03:25:00] univac: you gave it your zap2it username and password? (in setup)
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[03:25:00] philobyte: yup. and I used another to doublecheck same.
[03:26:00] univac: when you ran mythfilldatabase, did you see it try to fetch data from zap2it?
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[03:26:00] philobyte: onnecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com[206.18.98.160]:80... connected.
[03:26:00] philobyte: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized
[03:26:00] philobyte: Authorization failed.
[03:28:00] univac: when i run it, i also get a 401, but then it tries again and succeeds.
[03:29:00] univac: how many video sources do you have set up?
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[03:29:00] philobyte: one
[03:30:00] philobyte: I've tried dozens of times...
[03:31:00] univac: double check username and password maybe. make sure there are no extra spaces, etc.
[03:33:00] philobyte: It says --22:32:30-- http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService
[03:33:00] philobyte: => `-'
[03:33:00] philobyte: What is the => '-' ... Is that normal?
[03:33:00] univac: that's normal
[03:33:00] philobyte: nvrming stdio...
[03:35:00] univac: philobyte: go back to "Video Source Setup"
[03:36:00] philobyte: OK.
[03:36:00] univac: grabber is set to datadirect, right?
[03:37:00] philobyte: North America (DataDirect)... I did a wget putting my user/pw in the URL, got the same error.
[03:38:00] philobyte: Should I have to pay something? It never asked
[03:38:00] univac: no
[03:38:00] univac: what was the wget cmd, i'll try it with my info
[03:39:00] philobyte: wget http://<user>:<pw>@datadirect.web . . . /xtvdService
[03:41:00] univac: it give me "bad request" no auth problems
[03:41:00] univac: brb
[03:41:00] eidolon: hmm.
[03:42:00] eidolon: so...
[03:42:00] eidolon: music.php. seems... very limited. i see 'xris' is the maintainer (at least in the comments (s)he is. i'm wondering they'd be up for someone doing a bunch of hacking on it. i could make this a lot more useable.
[03:44:00] univac: philobyte: i don't remember, but maybe zap2it sent an email that you need to confirm
[03:45:00] philobyte: I did not receive any mail....
[03:46:00] univac: so, in the "Video Source Setup", does it show the lineup you signed up for?
[03:47:00] philobyte: No. the 401 Unauthorized prevents it from retrieving the lineups.
[03:47:00] univac: yet zap2it website accepts the username and pw, huh?
[03:48:00] philobyte: uhhuh.
[03:48:00] univac: both connections are coming from the same IP?
[03:49:00] univac: maybe they restrict it to a single location
[03:49:00] univac: i'm just grasping at straws
[03:50:00] philobyte: I'm on the same machine, running the browser in one window and myth in another. I just tried changing pw's, and it works on the web site, but not the XML service.
[03:51:00] univac: it sounds like they have a problem
[03:52:00] philobyte: can you do a 'retrieve lineups' in your setup?
[03:53:00] univac: yes
[03:54:00] philobyte: suspicious :-)
[03:54:00] eiggirC: in mythtv-setup, is the actual broadcast frequency supposed to go into "Frequency ID" under channel setup?
[03:54:00] philobyte: set to us-cable
[03:54:00] univac: i'm tempted to try changine my password, but i don't want to end up in the same boat as you :-P
[03:55:00] univac: philobyte: did you select your cable company/area at the zap2it website?
[03:56:00] philobyte: yes
[03:56:00] philobyte: I got a nice web page with my local listings appropriate to my cable company.
[03:57:00] univac: i can't think of anything else, except that they aren't syncing the website with the data server. broken til monday maybe?
[03:57:00] univac: i did email them with a problem once and got a helpful response
[03:57:00] philobyte: I just added a bogus channel, so that mythfilldatabase stops whining.
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[03:57:00] philobyte: Now I can see video!
[03:58:00] univac: cool!
[03:58:00] guru: does lircd work with built-in irda ports on laptops?
[03:59:00] philobyte: no sound, can't change channels... but i'm still psyched ;-)
[03:59:00] guru: i'm wanting to control my television (ok, the hotel's telivision) from my laptop
[03:59:00] eidolon: so... i'm puzzled. does cvs.mythtv.org have the 'latest' mythtv? i thought mythtv went to svn?
[04:00:00] jemarcks__: how do I restart my network deamon?
[04:01:00] guru: jemarcks__: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:01:00] jemarcks__: ahh...ok
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[04:01:00] guru: you might have to drop the ing depending on your distro
[04:01:00] guru: does anyone here have (or know where i can get) a working lircd.conf file for a zenith tv?
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[04:04:00] guru: i think i might be misunderstanding what lircd is for...
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: It it, many months ago
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: though the hostname might very well point to the same box
[04:04:00] jemarcks__: guru, thanks. i had to use /etc/init.d/network restart
[04:04:00] eidolon: interesting. okay.
[04:04:00] Juski: well I got the green light for unleashing Project Grayhem :)
[04:04:00] eidolon: i poked xris... i'd like to work on mythweb...
[04:04:00] jemarcks__: guru, i was also adding some stuff to my hosts.allow
[04:05:00] eidolon: but i'm not sure where he is on stuff :)
[04:05:00] eidolon: for example, music.php could sure use a heap of functionality :)
[04:05:00] jemarcks__: eidolon, get him to add an interface to nuvexport on mythweb :D
[04:05:00] eidolon: well he wrote both :)
[04:06:00] guru: jemarcks__: glad i could help :)
[04:06:00] univac: philobyte: you still there?
[04:06:00] guru: jemarcks__: do you know much about lircd and/or irda? :)
[04:06:00] philobyte: yup
[04:06:00] univac: did you try pointing your browser at http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService
[04:08:00] philobyte: 401 Unauthorized... the prompt is to enture a username for 'TMSWebServiceRealm" hmm...
[04:09:00] univac: when i go there, i enter uname/pw and it gives 405 (method not allowed). according to their forum, this is normal
[04:09:00] Juski: right... if anybody feels like _trying out_ a new theme, pick this up: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ayhem.tar.gz & unpack it into your themes folder. Feel free to email me if you have an issues with it (see the readme.txt file in the archive)
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Cool. Odds are I
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: 'll give it a shot
[04:10:00] Juski: a-thankyou :)
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: though I expect I mighyt end up editing the videolist in mythvideo to use the full page unless you did that already
[04:10:00] philobyte: I'd like a 405, pretty please.
[04:10:00] toom: 7MB?
[04:10:00] toom: wtf
[04:10:00] Juski: it's a biggie
[04:10:00] toom: i thought it's just a few pix
[04:10:00] Juski: just a few?!
[04:10:00] Juski: ahem
[04:11:00] univac: philobyte: right, i think that proves the problem is on their end
[04:11:00] Juski: I'll see what I can do about the size of it
[04:11:00] eiggirC: so – where do I fill into mythtv the channel frequencies? I can't find it.
[04:11:00] toom: where is that theme folder supposed to exist?
[04:11:00] Juski: but it's not like anyone is running on a 200MB HDD these days is it?
[04:11:00] univac: philobyte: there's interesting stuff at http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=369
[04:11:00] poop: eiggir: mythtv-setup?
[04:11:00] Juski: toom: usually /usr/share/mythtv/themes
[04:11:00] eiggirC: Juski: actually – I have a box at work with a 230 Mb drive and 16 Mb ram
[04:12:00] toom: aha
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: toom: If you compiled from source /usr/local/share/mythtv
[04:12:00] toom: shouldn't that be in my users homedir?..
[04:12:00] eiggirC: Juski: a 486 SX 25 running linux, as a time server and special clock
[04:12:00] Juski: ahh right, eiggirC
[04:12:00] poop: Not even worth the power to run it.
[04:12:00] eiggirC: poop yeah, but its all I have spare
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: toom: Themes are considered a global item, not user specific
[04:12:00] eiggirC: we still use P133 as workstations
[04:12:00] ** eiggirC struggles more with tuning **
[04:13:00] eiggirC: my PVR-150 shows double the inputs... tuner0 and tuner1
[04:13:00] toom: ok
[04:13:00] toom: it's done
[04:13:00] eiggirC: any idea why?
[04:13:00] Juski: I've tested as much as I can of it.. to be honest I'm a bit sick of looking at it
[04:13:00] philobyte: univac: won't let me log in there either :-(
[04:14:00] Juski: right I'm off to catch some Zs
[04:14:00] toom: good luck :)
[04:15:00] Juski: I still see the Gimp layer dialog when I shut my eyes
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[04:15:00] poop: Noone should ever have to see the gimp
[04:15:00] ** Juski puts the GIMP back in its box on the floor **
[04:15:00] ** GreyFoxx watches as the theme images resize **
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: What native res did you use? The default myth 800x600
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[04:16:00] Juski: yeh.. like *how big* ? ;)
[04:16:00] Juski: yes I did, GreyFoxx
[04:16:00] univac: philobyte: that figures
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: Cool
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[04:17:00] toom: is it unusual to run mythtv in 1024x768 on a tv?
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: toom: yes
[04:17:00] Juski: the font sizes possibly need looking at, but it looked ok from here.. anyway let me know what you think
[04:17:00] poop: toom: It will be scaled to something else
[04:17:00] toom: might that be the reason why i can't read the dialoges? :)
[04:17:00] Juski: and now.. it's 4:17AM.. time for bed
[04:17:00] univac: philobyte: did you sign up at zap2it, or labs.zap2it ?
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[04:18:00] philobyte: I signed up at zap2it, trying to sign up at labs.zapt2it, but labs wants a 'certificate number'' whazzat?
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[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: philobyte: Have you actually looked at and followed the documentation at mythtv.org ?
[04:19:00] poop: This is linux: details mean everything.
[04:19:00] poop: Nothing is Easy or Just Works
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[04:19:00] poop: If it's easy, it's not worth it!
[04:20:00] DCG: there a reason i'm seeing 2 tuner inputs on my pvr150?
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: poop: Actually overall I believe in that philosophy
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[04:21:00] poop: Grey: You must have infinite time
[04:21:00] poop: I believe in the wheel that someone else invented.
[04:21:00] univac: philobyte: are you doing the labs.zap2it signup?
[04:21:00] GreyFoxx: poop: No, but I believe that you should "earn" the easy road
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[04:23:00] poop: Grey: We specialize to be more efficient. I don't want or need to be expert-alsa-configuration-guy.
[04:24:00] GreyFoxx: poop: I find a lot of people, and I'm not specifically say you with regard to alsa, use the "saving time" excuse to be lazy
[04:24:00] GreyFoxx: or to hide a lack of knowledgre
[04:25:00] philobyte: I'm validated at labs.zaptoit now.. but still 401 Unauthorized
[04:25:00] GreyFoxx: and I can respect that as long as people are honest about what it is
[04:25:00] poop: Grey: I abhor helplessness, so must agree on some level.
[04:25:00] univac: philobyte: 401 from where?
[04:26:00] philobyte: datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com
[04:26:00] GreyFoxx: hrm... make something to eat or order some Pizza....hmmmm
[04:26:00] poop: My idiot s-i-l has finally stopped being surprised when I demand that she come to me with a certain level of knowledge before asking me computer questions, or when I drag her through painful lessons.
[04:27:00] univac: philobyte: that was in the browser, or wget?
[04:31:00] DCG: philobyte: you get 401 errors 1 right after the other or does it say 200 OK 2 lines down from the 401?
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[04:33:00] DCG: seeing 1 401 error per day of data pulled is normal, seeing 2 401 errors = your l/p is misconfigured for atleast one of your "input sources"
[04:33:00] philobyte: univac: I read the thread on there... I'm running Debian sarge, which has wget 1.9.1, and I set my mtu to 576 for laughs (sounds nuts) no joy.
[04:34:00] univac: yeah, those things sounded pretty far out
[04:34:00] ** eiggirC gives up for a while. I got different channels of static, but no sound **
[04:34:00] eiggirC: how can I test a ivtv card directly on the machine?
[04:34:00] univac: did you try authenticating with the browser again? http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService
[04:34:00] eiggirC: backend machine
[04:34:00] philobyte: yup. 401
[04:34:00] eiggirC: xawtv isn't finding anything
[04:35:00] univac: did it ask for the uname/pw?
[04:35:00] DCG: eiggirC: mplayer should be able to use it
[04:35:00] eiggirC: DCG: I get static from mplayer
[04:35:00] philobyte: yup. I gave it the correct values (that work on the web site)
[04:35:00] eiggirC: how can I tune a channel?
[04:35:00] Sean3899: eiggirC: Maybe the firmware responsible for sound isn't being loaded?
[04:35:00] DCG: eiggirC: xawtv doesnt do ivtv, it expects a true v4l device
[04:35:00] DCG: eiggirC: ivtvctl
[04:35:00] fir3st0rm: does one of you use mythgame/xmame and latest svn?
[04:35:00] eiggirC: DCG: gotcha – so mplayer is the thing for testing
[04:35:00] univac: philobyte: maybe now there's a confirmation email?
[04:36:00] DCG: eiggirC: and ivtvctl to set channels / inputs
[04:36:00] eiggirC: DCG: frequency is in Hz or MHz ?
[04:36:00] DCG: no idea.
[04:36:00] jemarcks__: guru, i just know how to install lircd
[04:36:00] fir3st0rm: i got so far that it displays the rom list
[04:36:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: I use mythgame, but don't currently use xmame
[04:37:00] fir3st0rm: but it alwas launches the same rom
[04:37:00] fir3st0rm: do you also have that problem?
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: Nope, but I haven't used it much in the last week or 2 other than to play the same game each time
[04:38:00] philobyte: univac: got an email, but there's nowhere to click.
[04:38:00] DCG: eiggirC: looks like its *10kHz
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[04:39:00] univac: philobyte: nothing that says you have to activate the service?
[04:39:00] DCG: eiggirC: looks like its so 'ivtv -r 1000' produces => 1000 *10kHz = 10MHz
[04:39:00] DCG: erg
[04:39:00] DCG: s/looks like its so '/'/
[04:39:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: could you tell me your emulator settings?
[04:40:00] eiggirC: I'm getting lots of static, so I don't know :(
[04:40:00] univac: philobyte: try authenticating again, maybe there's a delay
[04:40:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: I wiped all of my gameplayers and only re configured the ones I use most.
[04:40:00] eiggirC: time to give it a rest
[04:40:00] GreyFoxx: I just added an xmame just now and it's definately tryingf to launch the different games
[04:40:00] DCG: eiggirC: what mplayer cmdline you using?
[04:40:00] eiggirC: mplayer /dev/video0 -quiet
[04:41:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: could you tell me all the settings pls?
[04:41:00] eiggirC: I have a different machine for frontend and backend
[04:41:00] GreyFoxx: fire: In what I just setup It's simply the command "xmame"
[04:42:00] fir3st0rm: "player name"?
[04:42:00] philobyte: univac: doing it every couple of minutes no joy.
[04:42:00] GreyFoxx: command "xmame", setup my rompath, File Extensions "zip"
[04:42:00] GreyFoxx: fire: Just scrambled keys :)
[04:42:00] univac: LOL, SNL is doing "The Spammy Awards" with nigerian political prisoner
[04:43:00] fir3st0rm: working dir is empty?
[04:43:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[04:43:00] fir3st0rm: ok i've set it up like that:
[04:43:00] fir3st0rm: player name: mame
[04:43:00] fir3st0rm: type: mame
[04:43:00] fir3st0rm: command: xmame
[04:44:00] fir3st0rm: rom path: /media/usbdisk1/Spiele/neo-geo/roms
[04:44:00] fir3st0rm: screenshots empty
[04:44:00] fir3st0rm: working dir empty
[04:44:00] fir3st0rm: file extensions: "zip"
[04:45:00] fir3st0rm: allow games to.. unchecked
[04:45:00] GreyFoxx: pretty much what I have in what I just setup
[04:45:00] eidolon: ooo. mame work
[04:45:00] eidolon: hm
[04:45:00] fir3st0rm: ok let's see
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[04:47:00] bigslam: yo
[04:47:00] fir3st0rm: now games list is empty
[04:47:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: did you rescan ?
[04:47:00] fir3st0rm: 2 times
[04:47:00] GreyFoxx: Or clear the list and rescan ?
[04:47:00] eidolon: fir3st0rm: you reminded me to try out the xmame stuff. i'm gonna copy my roms over and give it a shot.
[04:48:00] fir3st0rm: np ;)
[04:48:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: no success :(
[04:48:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: Then either the files are not ending in "zip" (all lower case?) or your path is wrong
[04:50:00] fir3st0rm: i removed "zip"
[04:50:00] webbnetsys: To everybody who is using Haupage 350 with framebuffering. There is a known bug
[04:50:00] fir3st0rm: now there's 1 rom in the list
[04:51:00] webbnetsys: I have been tracking it down today.
[04:52:00] GreyFoxx: You could uncomment a line from gamehandler.cpp which will output from the mythfrontend console all of the files as it finds then
[04:53:00] eidolon: grrrr.
[04:53:00] eidolon: winscp is doing something funky
[04:53:00] philobyte: univac: no joy... but I've got SNL in mplayer with ivtv-tune... :-)
[04:54:00] univac: philobyte: you'll get there!
[04:54:00] univac: which distro, btw?
[04:54:00] fir3st0rm: could you tell me your rom path GreyFoxx ?
[04:54:00] GreyFoxx: in my case /data/emu/roms/mame
[04:55:00] philobyte: univac: Debian Sarge... mythtv from source.
[04:56:00] univac: do you have a handle on the sound problem?
[04:57:00] bigslam: 005-11–19 23:51:57.629 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[04:57:00] bigslam: how do i fix that?
[05:00:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: what did you set for "player name"?
[05:01:00] philobyte: univac: It's a long standing oddity... Some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. I have no OSS emulation. mythtv says it only wants ALSA so it <<should>> be fine.
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: The playername is irrelevant, but I just renamed it to "XMame" and rescanned
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: works fine
[05:03:00] fir3st0rm: what's wrong with this?...
[05:04:00] GreyFoxx: Can the user running mythfrontend access/read the location where the roms are ?
[05:04:00] Netslayer: just emailed 16:9 complaining for lack of linux firewire support
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[05:04:00] philobyte: Wohoo! the zap2it stuff is giving me 200 OK now!
[05:04:00] univac: excellent!
[05:05:00] univac: so now you can select the lineup in the setup screen
[05:06:00] philobyte: the lineup is correct, did filldatabase, and it crapped out, but it got a large number of channels.
[05:09:00] philobyte: ok... so now the sound thing... at one point I tried to fix it, by setting the 'something is using /dev/dsp' Continue without audio?
[05:09:00] simcop2387: ok i'm making a new user job script that uses tcrequant, i get same quality at half the bitrate, when i set my card to go to half the bitrate it doesn't work as well
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[05:11:00] fir3st0rm: ok i managed to get the games list again
[05:11:00] Captain_Murdoch: simcop2387: I've thought about trying that for some of my air2pc HD recordings, but my slave backend is down right now so I can't.
[05:11:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: What was it ?
[05:11:00] univac: philobyte: i'm using oss for sound. did you try changing the device in setup
[05:11:00] fir3st0rm: but it still just launches 1 game
[05:11:00] fir3st0rm: i had to enable the filename display
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[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: hrm
[05:14:00] GreyFoxx: Well if anything you can check the mythfrontend output. there will be a "launching" line that shows the exact commandline being executed including the rom
[05:14:00] fir3st0rm: very odd....
[05:14:00] GreyFoxx: But you shouldn't have had to enable the filename display
[05:14:00] fir3st0rm: in terminal it displays the right file
[05:15:00] simcop2387: Captain_Murdoch: i wouldn't recommend doing tcrequant several times though
[05:15:00] fir3st0rm: got to be somthing with xmame
[05:15:00] fir3st0rm: errr
[05:15:00] fir3st0rm: no it's the wrong name ;)
[05:15:00] philobyte: univac: I would rather avoid using OSS.. deprecated, mono, and no driver for my ICH5 on-board adaptor
[05:16:00] univac: i understand... i do have stereo though
[05:16:00] fir3st0rm: Launching Game : XMame : xmame -rompath "/media/usbdisk1/Spiele/neogeo/roms" "/media/usbdisk1/Spiele/neogeo/roms/ms4plus.zip"
[05:17:00] fir3st0rm: it should be mslug.zip or somthing else instead of ms4plus
[05:17:00] philobyte: I thought one had to pay money for that...
[05:17:00] GreyFoxx: I assume -rompath is something you placed there
[05:18:00] fir3st0rm: yep
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: try getting rid of it
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: I bet it's causing xmame to play the first rom it finds in that directory and ignore the filename being passed
[05:19:00] fir3st0rm: didn't fix my problem
[05:19:00] fir3st0rm: still says
[05:19:00] fir3st0rm: Launching Game : XMame : xmame "/media/usbdisk1/Spiele/neogeo/roms/ms4plus.zip" :
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: and if you run that manually what does it do ?
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: oh, sorry I missed where you said it was passing the wrong filename
[05:20:00] fir3st0rm: yeah
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: well if you want to sql me sql dumps of your gameplayers, and gamemetadata tables I can try to replicate that here
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: but you are the first to report anything like that
[05:22:00] fir3st0rm: much people don't use mythgame i guess that's the reason
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: I'm sure most don't, but enough that I would expect to have heard about it if it was a common problem :)
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: email me those tables and I'll try to reproduce it here
[05:23:00] fir3st0rm: dcc?
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: email is preferred
[05:24:00] fir3st0rm: dcc is faster ;)
[05:24:00] GreyFoxx: Irrelevant :)
[05:25:00] ** eidolon just spent 20 minutes trying to get a dvd to copy up to the mame box via winscp. whaddapain. **
[05:25:00] ** eidolon has no dvd-r drive on the myth box. only one is on the mrs' windows machine. **
[05:25:00] ** eidolon waches .chd files move. **
[05:26:00] simcop2387: heh
[05:26:00] simcop2387: why not just setup an ftp/samba share on the mame box and use that to manage it?
[05:27:00] GreyFoxx: woulda been easier :)
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[05:28:00] simcop2387: ooo transcode 1.0? kickass
[05:28:00] fir3st0rm: you got mail
[05:28:00] simcop2387: bullshit... oh wait i do
[05:28:00] eidolon: dunno if it would have been easier. didn't have samba on the myth box, and IN THEORY, winscp is very easy to use. and it is. except for this annoying bug involving problems with datestamps.
[05:29:00] fir3st0rm: do you see what's wrong about it GreyFoxx ?
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: Haven't looked yet
[05:33:00] simcop2387: w00t a chain of 40 tcrequants!
[05:33:00] simcop2387: lets see the quality and size of this file
[05:33:00] simcop2387: stupid law of diminishing returns
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[05:34:00] ** eidolon wonders what the heck simcop is talking about :) **
[05:35:00] simcop2387: tcrequant is a program that comes with transcode it'll allow you to requantize (basically shrink) an mpeg1/2 video stream
[05:35:00] simcop2387: it reduces the quality but it can still be acceptable (usually about 50% the size is the result with decent quality)
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[05:41:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: I do see some of that behaviour you described
[05:43:00] fir3st0rm: so i'm not crazy :)
[05:43:00] GreyFoxx: No, you aren't :)
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[05:44:00] Beirdo: argh, unscrupulous people piss me off
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: If I send you a patch will you apply it and try to scan again ?
[05:45:00] fir3st0rm: i'd do anything to fix this :)
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: Well, it's a simple one liner, so I guess instead of a patch I'll just tell ya
[05:46:00] fir3st0rm: xeah
[05:46:00] fir3st0rm: y*
[05:47:00] GreyFoxx: file mythplugins/mythgame/mythgame/gamehandler.cpp. Line 397 , change if (GameName == "Unknown") to if (GameName == QObject::tr("Unknown"))
[05:50:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[05:51:00] fir3st0rm: now i just have to do a "make" and "make install" right?
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: and of course restart mythfrontend (though I suppose you should close it first)
[05:52:00] fir3st0rm: closed since a long time ;)
[05:52:00] fir3st0rm: ok let's see
[05:54:00] fir3st0rm: do i have to rescan?
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: yes, clear and rescan
[05:54:00] eidolon: hmm. under 'Play games' – it has an 'all games' list. but that list is empty.
[05:54:00] eidolon: how does that get populated?
[05:54:00] eidolon: or... er... is that what you're asking right now?  :)
[05:54:00] eidolon: sorry, not watching backscroll.
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: By you setting up the game players and doing a gamescan in the game setup
[05:55:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: good job :D
[05:55:00] eidolon: wherezzat?
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: eid : In the same location as all of the frontend/plugin setup options
[05:56:00] eidolon: well, that's not a slam-dunk. the menu structure isn't completely intuitive.  :) is this in mythtv-setup or in the normal setup / tools windows?
[05:56:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: Fixed the problem? executing the right files now? And if you no longer require the display filenames option ?
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: Well, considering all of the plugins config menus are in mythfrontend. I would suggest looking there :)
[05:57:00] fir3st0rm: filename option...wait
[05:57:00] eidolon: yessir :)
[05:57:00] fir3st0rm: eidolon: you could be a recrut for #mame ^^
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: It might still show the file name though unless you have romDB+indepth scan enabled
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: dammit, my remotes batteries just died. How annoying
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[05:59:00] fir3st0rm: romDB scan where is that option?
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: RomDB is a set of data that you can import to allow you to get more detailed info about the roms
[05:59:00] hari_seldon99: hi
[06:00:00] hari_seldon99: does mythtv work with an ssl-encrypted sql database?
[06:00:00] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: I use one of those Packard Bell remotes on my main frontend so I picked up 2 spares off eBay just in case the remote ever died on me. :)
[06:00:00] hari_seldon99: trying to secure my box :)
[06:00:00] GreyFoxx: If you enable "Indepth Scan" and have the romdb data imported it will use the info
[06:01:00] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Heh. This is my favourite remote and they don't make them anymore. hehe Hopefully it's just a change of batteries :)
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[06:01:00] fir3st0rm: how can i import romdb data?
[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: In the mythgame source directory there is a zipped up romdb.sql file. unzip it and pipe the data into mysql
[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < romdbfilename.sql
[06:02:00] eidolon: oohhhkay. enabled an XMame gameplayer, gave it a path to /myth/games/xmame/ – told it to show 'full filenames'. I did a game scan, and i see my .chd files there, but hitting [enter] on them doesn't do anything. my run command is 'xmame %s'
[06:02:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: And what is outputted by the mythfrontend console ?
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: (or logs if you are logging it)
[06:03:00] eidolon: i have it on the console. sec. (Machine is *points* over there :)
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: yay, change of batteres did it
[06:04:00] eidolon: ohhhh....
[06:04:00] eidolon: xmame -did- try to start.
[06:04:00] eidolon: okay, i need to finish churning on my loadin. i was hoping to do a quicky test :)
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[06:05:00] GreyFoxx: I've also never tried it on roms that weren't zipped up
[06:05:00] eidolon: chds are disk images... for the Big Games.
[06:05:00] GreyFoxx: Gotcha
[06:05:00] eidolon: i... er.. have a lot more data to load in before i can really test it. *goes quietly to change dvds*
[06:08:00] eidolon: i believe that romdatabase you mentioned is what's missing from the knoppmyth distro :(
[06:08:00] GreyFoxx: well, it was only added in the last 2 weeks
[06:08:00] eidolon: see?  :)
[06:08:00] GreyFoxx: and if you are running svn then you can put it in there yourself :)
[06:09:00] eidolon: yah yah. i know. i'll ge tthere at some point.
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[06:10:00] fman: greyfoxx thanks for that mythgame update
[06:10:00] fman: mostly working now
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: fman: Np :) was an easy find once I had those example files
[06:11:00] fir3st0rm: GreyFoxx: ERROR 1050 (42S01) at line 11: Table 'romdb' already exists
[06:11:00] fman: well, I think there is some that still arn't working, but I need to look into it and make sure my database isn't screwed up
[06:11:00] eidolon: so in depth game scan is for xreffing into the rom dagabase?
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: pretty much
[06:11:00] fir3st0rm: that happens when i want to add romdb to mythdb
[06:12:00] eidolon: fir3st0rm: you can drop nd reload it.
[06:12:00] fir3st0rm: how?
[06:12:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: either drop the romdb table, or comment out the table creation at the top of that sql file
[06:13:00] ** fir3st0rm comments out **
[06:13:00] eidolon: OOOOOOOOO
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[06:13:00] eidolon: sreenshots are working
[06:13:00] eidolon: as i scroll thought games, i'm seeing hte screenshots on the bottom.
[06:13:00] eidolon: eggzellent.
[06:13:00] fir3st0rm: error in sql syntax
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: Just delect the table creation stuff from the file
[06:14:00] GreyFoxx: delete
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[06:15:00] fir3st0rm: i tried to comment out with # ^^
[06:15:00] GreyFoxx: No, in sql files you comment with 2 -'s so "-- comment here"
[06:15:00] fir3st0rm: i saw ;)
[06:16:00] eidolon: and in total random commentary. what's the status on mythtv-lcd? it looks like an external lcd driver for myth?
[06:16:00] fir3st0rm: converging takes quite long
[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: fir3st0rm: It's a lot of data :)
[06:16:00] eidolon: googling doesn't reveal a lot
[06:16:00] fir3st0rm: ok
[06:17:00] fir3st0rm: did you manage to start mame using fullscreen btw?
[06:17:00] DCG: if i install knoppmyth 5a16 will it give me a useable version of mythtv or that svn checkout thats worthless?
[06:17:00] eidolon: i haven't gotten mame started yet.
[06:18:00] GreyFoxx: DCG: That should give you 0.18(or 0.18.1)
[06:18:00] DCG: ok
[06:18:00] eidolon: dcg: i'm running that now, and it's workable and useable. if not cutting edge.
[06:18:00] DCG: i just had some catastrophic failure as a result of me removing preemptable kernel options, (yes i rebuilt everything)
[06:19:00] ** GreyFoxx starts playing with the new LiveTV stuff **
[06:19:00] DCG: lirc now crashes after doing anything, i can't get video up, and other bad things
[06:19:00] DCG: so its time to reinstall :P
[06:21:00] chuggachu: has anyone had trouble with their remote just stops working after a week or two of up time ?
[06:22:00] GreyFoxx: Man, I'd swear that channel changing is faster (or at least appears that way) now
[06:22:00] GreyFoxx: nice
[06:23:00] eiggirC: is ivtv-detect supposed to segfault ?
[06:27:00] eidolon: OKAY. xmame started.
[06:27:00] eidolon: NOT full srcreen though.
[06:27:00] GreyFoxx: sounds like you will need to edit your commandline then :)
[06:28:00] fir3st0rm: yeah
[06:28:00] eidolon: yeah. i think its -f or -fs o something. i ran xmame on my laptop a lot :)
[06:28:00] fir3st0rm: i thought that too
[06:28:00] fir3st0rm: -fullscreen is not working
[06:28:00] fir3st0rm: the docu says you have to set some rights
[06:28:00] eidolon: hm.
[06:29:00] eidolon: sound is working though :)
[06:29:00] ** eidolon blows some shit up first. **
[06:29:00] fir3st0rm: yeah
[06:29:00] ** fir3st0rm wants fullscreen **
[06:30:00] eidolon: what the heck ar ethe keyboard bindings?
[06:30:00] eidolon: they'r enon-standard.
[06:30:00] eidolon: fine
[06:30:00] eidolon: i'll read the config files for a while.
[06:34:00] eidolon: ok. bed. night :)
[06:34:00] simcop2387: Beirdo: why what'd they do now?
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[06:39:00] Beirdo: oh some dicksmack sold me an xbox modchip (or so he said)
[06:40:00] Beirdo: but there's no modchip in there, he just reflashed the bios, which is expressly what I DIDN'T want
[06:40:00] Beirdo: I'm gonna see if I can get it all working, but I'm not impressed
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[06:42:00] bobc: GreyFoxx: do you ever see "Invalid file handle" errors in mythfrontend when you start Livetv now with the new stuff? I don't always get it, but often. it still works though.
[06:43:00] GreyFoxx: bobc: I hadn't noticed but yeah, when I first launch it I do see that
[06:44:00] bobc: always nice to know you aren't the only one seeing something
[06:44:00] GreyFoxx: Almost like it's looking for the last file from mthe queue
[06:44:00] bobc: I thought it was looking for the file before creating it
[06:44:00] GreyFoxx: Looks like you are right
[06:46:00] Beirdo: YAY
[06:46:00] Beirdo: relocked the original drive
[06:46:00] Beirdo: now for some fun
[06:47:00] Beirdo: hotswap the drives with the xbox on
[06:47:00] Beirdo: PLEASE let this work
[06:50:00] Beirdo: oops
[06:50:00] Beirdo: did I leave this bish locked?
[06:54:00] Beirdo: yup
[06:55:00] Beirdo: take 2
[06:57:00] DCG: Beirdo: theres no need for that mess.
[06:57:00] DCG: use a supported usb key, and the appropriate software.
[06:57:00] Beirdo: oh yes there IS a need
[06:57:00] Beirdo: believe me
[06:57:00] DCG: heh
[06:57:00] Beirdo: hmm
[06:57:00] Beirdo: this really doesn't like me tonight
[06:58:00] DCG: hot swapping ide devices == stupid
[06:58:00] DCG: its so easy to blow the southbridge on your pc
[06:58:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[06:58:00] DCG: and potentially the powersupplies in both the xbox and pc
[06:58:00] Beirdo: you got a better idea?
[06:58:00] DCG: 007 or mech assault & a memcard.
[06:59:00] Beirdo: too late
[06:59:00] DCG: heh
[06:59:00] Beirdo: good, now it's just giving a 05
[06:59:00] Beirdo: much better :)
[06:59:00] Beirdo: I swear I'm gonna beat that dumbass to a pulp
[06:59:00] DCG: or i can sell you a linux-flashed cheapmod for $5 + shipping
[07:00:00] Beirdo: solderless modchip?
[07:00:00] DCG: no, easy to solder 10 wires.
[07:00:00] DCG: 9 thru holes and 1 via / test pad
[07:01:00] DCG: works on all but xbox 1.4/1.5
[07:01:00] Beirdo: I'm not soldering on this
[07:01:00] Beirdo: that was the whole point of it
[07:01:00] DCG: heh
[07:01:00] DCG: you'd have to solder to flash the onboard chip
[07:02:00] Beirdo: um, no
[07:02:00] DCG: and if you dont flash it you have a kluge
[07:04:00] Beirdo: now to try this again
[07:09:00] rusig: hi folks
[07:09:00] rusig: i've just finished compiling mythrecipes
[07:10:00] rusig: would anone know the stability of this plugin?
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[07:15:00] nemas: Hey everyone
[07:15:00] nemas: I have a DCT2224 box and a serial connection to it showes it is enabled. changechannel.py works but the numbers come up real slow. So changing the channel to 33 results in me getting channel 3. Anyone know how I can speed this up?
[07:17:00] chuggachu: nemas: there is usually a sleep line or pause in the code of your channel change script
[07:18:00] nemas: I see thanks. I am really sucky at python. I learned there is a C version of it. I am gonna try that also
[07:19:00] DCG: nemas: thats a pre-firewire box, right?
[07:21:00] nemas: Ya
[07:21:00] DCG: no wonder its being dumped on ebay
[07:21:00] bobc: with the new livetv in svn I see NVP: prebuffering pause with every channel change. sometimes it doesn't seem to recover and gets stuck. anyone else seeing this?
[07:22:00] bobc: I also see QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range along with the prebuffering pauses occassionly. any idea what that may mean?
[07:24:00] nemas: chuggachu: I dont see and pause or sleep function in either changechannel.py or in crcgen.py. Any ideas?
[07:25:00] chuggachu: nemas: in my shell script its called an interdigit delay
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[07:26:00] nemas: That command isnt in changechannel.py (
[07:27:00] chuggachu: can you dump those files somewhere like a pastebin
[07:27:00] nemas: It looks pretty stright forward. Could it be caused by the serial port itself?
[07:27:00] nemas: sure
[07:28:00] nemas: Seems that pastebin is down (
[07:28:00] nemas: looking for another
[07:29:00] nemas: changechannel.py is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/2cT1Ks47.html
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[07:31:00] nemas: crcgen.py is located at http://rafb.net/paste/results/lUhQMm69.html
[07:37:00] DCG: ARGH
[07:37:00] DCG: WARNING: This backend is low on free disk space!
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[07:37:00] DCG: Space Free: 105,513 MB
[07:37:00] chuggachu: nemas: those are huge .mine is a 5 liner . I dont see it either .. do you know of anyone running that box ? do they see the same issue.
[07:37:00] nemas: I found one person online witha that issue but there were no responses.
[07:38:00] nemas: Can you paste your script?
[07:40:00] chuggachu: nemas: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TJmaia65.html
[07:41:00] nemas: Is that for irblaster? Cause I am using a direct cable connection to the serial port on the back.
[07:42:00] chuggachu: nemas: im thinking that that wont work on your box though ... thats for a serial IRBlaster . PC based.
[07:43:00] nemas: I wounder where the slowdown could be at. Any ideas on how I can test the ports?
[07:44:00] chuggachu: nemas: can you run it interactively
[07:46:00] nemas: I use the commandline to do that. I think I need to change the script so it doesnt send the exit key after each key is pressed
[07:48:00] nemas: When I run it usinf ./changechannel.py 45 my box shows 0...time...4... and thats it
[07:52:00] nemas: chuggachu: do you know much about python?
[07:53:00] chuggachu: nemas: i havent done much in it .. I would try putting in some echo commands to see what the script is actually sending as digits
[07:54:00] nemas: It seems that it is doing a foreach when I probally shouldn't be. Maybe if I take out the foreach and just set the exit code at the end that will work
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[07:58:00] chuggachu: nemas: I would put in a line before the last 2 .. that says print CHANCODE
[07:59:00] chuggachu: nemas: that should display whats being sent to the unit
[08:00:00] nemas: Odd it seems that when i leave it a bit now and run it again it speeds up and works
[08:01:00] nemas: This is werid now. It is runing super fast
[08:01:00] nemas: I commented out get_response(ser) and it seems faster just not all the time
[08:03:00] chuggachu: nemas: comments in the code say you need that .. or the next one will fail
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[08:05:00] nemas: That is where most the bottleneck is
[08:06:00] nemas: I put it back in and wham slowed down again.
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[08:07:00] nemas: should this be changed from byte = ser.read(7) to byte = ser.read(len(response))?
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[08:09:00] nemas: Oh well. I will try again tommrow. It is sleeptime for me
[08:09:00] nemas: Thanks for all your help buddy.
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[08:16:00] compwiz312: Hi, I'm having a problem with my mythbox, I recently moved the hard drive with my linux install into a new computer. I changed all the drivers and such (including ivtv for my PVR-150s) and everything works. However wheneven I try and either watch a recording or hit "Watch TV" the computer completely freezes and must be rebooted. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
[08:17:00] simcop2387: not bad 40% reduction on a given input in general
[08:22:00] compwiz312: anyone?
[08:24:00] simcop2387: compwiz312: sounds like an issue with either X11 and the graphics drivers or a kernel issue possibly (more likely a an X issue)
[08:26:00] simcop2387: i'm not at all sure how you'd go about fixing it, maybe try another video player like mplayer and see if it has the same problem?
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[08:32:00] simcop2387: yesh, mpgdemux is the bottleneck almost
[08:39:00] simcop2387: now i'll find out how long it takes per 1hour of video to requantinize the who thing
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[08:52:00] univac: mmm
[08:53:00] TeleF2k: anyone know why my guide data wont show up in program guide (just says "unknown") but program finder works?
[08:56:00] univac: TeleF2k: missing days worth of data?
[08:56:00] TeleF2k: il take a look, dont think so I just ran the update
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[08:58:00] TeleF2k: actually I know its there finder sees shows from today
[08:59:00] TeleF2k: same thing in both directions all channels ... datas all there though
[08:59:00] TeleF2k: everything is working fine but the program guide
[09:00:00] univac: are the channels all there?
[09:00:00] TeleF2k: yea
[09:00:00] univac: turn on all the verbose flags
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[09:01:00] TeleF2k: mythfrontend -v?
[09:03:00] TeleF2k: with what number
[09:04:00] univac: not knowing just where to look, i'd try with '-v all' for both the frontend and backend
[09:04:00] univac: maybe it's puking on some bad data in the database
[09:04:00] TeleF2k: ok that works
[09:09:00] TeleF2k: what am I looking for?
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[09:09:00] univac: TeleF2k: anything that stands out as an error
[09:11:00] TeleF2k: frontend has a cannot connect to socket / connection refused just before it tries (and fails) to start lirc, and joystick isnt working
[09:11:00] TeleF2k: but other than that nothing special
[09:14:00] TeleF2k: when I start up the guide I get "write->9 19 QUERY_GETALLPENDING:" on the frontend and something related to a program ive scheduled ti record on the backend
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[09:17:00] cblackbu: Can anyone point me in the right direction. I just installed knoppmyth, and my tv listing is incorrect. Where do I go from here?
[09:17:00] univac: TeleF2k: that sounds normal
[09:19:00] TeleF2k: hmm
[09:20:00] TeleF2k: someone on the forums has the same problem no replies yet
[09:24:00] Dagmar: Where you go from here is you either describe exactly in what _way_ the listings are incorrect, or you start reading the documentation
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[09:25:00] Dagmar: All I can really say about why your listings are incorrect, with no more detail than that, is to surmise that quite possibly, God hates you.
[09:25:00] Dagmar: Unless Uri Geller is around, no one else is going to be in all that better shape.  :./
[09:26:00] cblackbu: Well, I have not figured out exactly in what way they are incorrect. The channel names are correct, just the shows currently on and scheduled are not. I checked my computers date and all that, and it all seems ok.
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[09:27:00] Dagmar: *sigh*
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[09:27:00] Dagmar: \So you can't tell if you're on the right channel? And you can't tell if maybe the shows are just listed at the wrong time?
[09:28:00] Dagmar: These are kinda important and semi-obvious details.
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[09:28:00] Dagmar: I know you can figure out the answers to those two issues
[09:29:00] Dagmar: ...unless you don't watch TV much at all, which would not make sense for running a myth box.
[09:29:00] ** Dagmar chants encouragement **
[09:30:00] cblackbu: I am trying to look it up compared to tv.yahoo.com and I cant tell if its just off by an amount of time or not
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[09:31:00] cblackbu: But yes, channel is correct, and I know those shows are on this channel
[09:31:00] Dagmar: Okay, that's good
[09:31:00] Dagmar: That means the problem is almost certainly one of time
[09:31:00] Dagmar: Is there some show you regularly watch on a particular channel that you know what time is on?
[09:32:00] Dagmar: ...cuz that would be the thing to look for to check that the time isn't improperly set
[09:32:00] cblackbu: I will look
[09:32:00] simcop2387: well there go all of my recordings!
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[09:33:00] simcop2387: tcrequant and toolame on all of the files older than 24 hours to reduce their size by 50%
[09:33:00] TeleF2k: univac: know of anything in the config that might relate to the program guide and nothing else?
[09:33:00] cblackbu: Ok, I see it! Looks like the listings are 8 hours behind
[09:33:00] cblackbu: utc offset?
[09:34:00] simcop2387: sounds like a timezone issue
[09:34:00] simcop2387: cblackbu: you live on the west coast of the US?
[09:34:00] Dagmar: OKay, from a shell what time does the box think it is?
[09:34:00] simcop2387: yep
[09:34:00] univac: TeleF2k: did this used to work, or first time setup?
[09:34:00] TeleF2k: univac: first time
[09:35:00] cblackbu: damn! Sun Nov 20 01:34:09 UTC 2005
[09:35:00] Dagmar: dingdingding
[09:35:00] cblackbu: Thanks guys!
[09:35:00] Dagmar: Set TZ and/or /etc/localtime properly
[09:35:00] Dagmar: Ya just gotta break down the problem by degrees
[09:36:00] cblackbu: I was just having a hard time figuring out the shows being 8 hours apart
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[09:36:00] TeleF2k: univac: installed on SuSE 10 from some apt-get binaries probably meant for 9.3 if that makes any difference
[09:36:00] Dagmar: I suppose I would have it a little easier since I pretty much only watch the SCiFi channel
[09:37:00] Dagmar: I used to watch TechTV as well, but G4 had to go and ruin it
[09:38:00] simcop2387: cool works great
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[09:39:00] simcop2387: i've got a set of scripts that are suitable for cronjobing for requantinizing mpeg2 recordings (a script that goes through the mythtv recordings, and a stand alone general mpeg2 script)
[09:39:00] simcop2387: though they assume alot of things (file location, audio formats etc
[09:40:00] Dagmar: You shouldn't need cron to do that
[09:40:00] Dagmar: I was under the impression that the frontend let you define custom jobs to run after every program
[09:45:00] cblackbu: Wow, this is much nicer now with all the correct times for the shows ;)
[09:45:00] Dagmar: heh
[09:47:00] TeleF2k: are all the settings for mythtv stored in the database?
[09:47:00] TeleF2k: so if I reinstall it will all still be there
[09:48:00] Dagmar: Just about all of them are, afaik
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[10:19:00] directhex: mythgame's snes handler appears to only add games to its database with a valid checksum. is there a way to convince it that checksums are overrated, without sanitising that bit of the source?
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[10:30:00] TeleF2k: cant build mythtv :-/ I think its a distcc problem and I cant figure out how to uninstall it
[10:30:00] TeleF2k: was messing with it the other day
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[10:33:00] toom: lol, you can't figure out how to uninstall distcc?
[10:33:00] anxt: distcc rocks
[10:33:00] TeleF2k: no clue how ... im used to gentoo
[10:34:00] TeleF2k: yea I gotta get it set up sometime ive got 3 computers here
[10:34:00] toom: just change the CC in your make.conf
[10:34:00] toom: to whereever your real cc is rather than the distcc
[10:35:00] TeleF2k: eck which one
[10:35:00] toom: CC
[10:35:00] toom: there is only one
[10:36:00] toom: well.. should
[10:36:00] TeleF2k: in suse?
[10:36:00] anxt: fuck i am drunk
[10:36:00] TeleF2k: ive got qmake.confs thats it
[10:36:00] anxt: who is running svn shit
[10:37:00] anxt: does it mod the db
[10:37:00] anxt: i got 3 frontends
[10:37:00] TeleF2k: ok its different now no distcc looking stuff ... still doesent build :P
[10:37:00] anxt: is there a new "schema"
[10:41:00] anxt: waht are you trying to build
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[10:43:00] TeleF2k: mythtv
[10:44:00] TeleF2k: /tmp/ffmpeg-conf-32536-30303–3534.c:1:21: error: altivec.h: No such file or directory
[10:44:00] TeleF2k: In file included from /tmp/ffmpeg-conf-32536-30303–3534.c:1:
[10:44:00] TeleF2k: /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/include/xmmintrin.h:34:3: error: #error "SSE instruction set not enabled"
[10:44:00] TeleF2k: getting that from ./configure
[10:44:00] anxt: set it for i586 then
[10:45:00] anxt: i think it fuck up for most gentoo flags
[10:45:00] anxt: i just use the source luke
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[10:45:00] TeleF2k: im not on gentoo
[10:46:00] TeleF2k: its a suse box
[10:53:00] anxt: sse2 is p4
[10:53:00] anxt: i think k7 has sse
[10:53:00] TeleF2k: I think its just the altivec thing thats preventing it from compiling
[10:55:00] anxt: remind me altivec
[10:55:00] anxt: is that like cle266
[10:55:00] TeleF2k: no clue
[10:55:00] anxt: unichrome?
[10:55:00] anxt: ahh
[10:55:00] TeleF2k: altivec.h is supposed to be part of ffmpeg
[10:55:00] TeleF2k: which ive installed I think
[10:56:00] anxt: i can send you binaries and libs if you want
[10:56:00] TeleF2k: ok
[10:56:00] TeleF2k: for what?
[10:56:00] anxt: myth
[10:57:00] TeleF2k: installed from binaries and I was having a problem with the guide so I figured try installing from source dont know what else to try
[10:57:00] anxt: well you could try my binaries
[10:57:00] anxt: but be warned
[10:58:00] anxt: running binaries from irc is bad practice
[10:58:00] anxt: i swear mine are good
[10:58:00] anxt: ...but...
[10:59:00] TeleF2k: yea
[10:59:00] TeleF2k: any idea why the program guide might not show any data?
[10:59:00] TeleF2k: the finder and other stuff works fine but the guide just says unknown
[10:59:00] anxt: yep
[11:00:00] anxt: mythfilldatabase
[11:00:00] TeleF2k: what about it?
[11:00:00] TeleF2k: done that, the datas all there
[11:00:00] anxt: did you run it?
[11:00:00] TeleF2k: yea
[11:00:00] TeleF2k: all the shows show up in the finder
[11:00:00] TeleF2k: but the guide is empty
[11:02:00] anxt: have you used myth at all?
[11:02:00] TeleF2k: this is my first time
[11:02:00] TeleF2k: and I think I figured it out
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[11:02:00] TeleF2k: the date on the computer was wrong
[11:03:00] TeleF2k: woohoo there it is
[11:03:00] Juski: good morning folks
[11:04:00] TeleF2k: hey ninja turtles is on
[11:04:00] TeleF2k: morning
[11:04:00] Juski: hehe Ninja turtles... now I've got a second chance to _not_ watch it
[11:04:00] anxt: no shit
[11:05:00] anxt: wow i am so high
[11:05:00] anxt: and irc is on 16x9
[11:05:00] anxt: 30"
[11:06:00] Juski: so you've got a cerebral plugin called goom now eh
[11:06:00] anxt: goom is ok
[11:07:00] anxt: yew wanna lick my gooch?
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[11:08:00] ** anxt offers a gooch lickin to all interested **
[11:14:00] ** laga slaps anxt **
[11:15:00] laga: hello Juski
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[11:18:00] Juski: good morning laga
[11:18:00] laga: how's things?
[11:18:00] Juski: don't download that theme yet, laga.. just made another change
[11:18:00] Juski: this is it now I think
[11:18:00] laga: Juski: ok :)
[11:19:00] Juski: chokemaniac has given me the go-ahead :)
[11:19:00] laga: not gonna tinker with my myth box today, i think. i've got the hangover from hell ;)
[11:19:00] laga: Juski: awesome!! :)
[11:19:00] Juski: he says the theme looks good, and that's surely a compliment coming from him
[11:19:00] laga: it does look spiffy
[11:20:00] Juski: already had someone say "but it's like 7 megs!"
[11:20:00] laga: Juski: man bzip2 ;)
[11:20:00] Juski: out last night were you laga?
[11:20:00] Juski: I dunno how to bzip2 lol
[11:21:00] toom: *whistle*
[11:21:00] toom: i installed it and it looks nice
[11:21:00] laga: Juski: i was, indeed. till 4am ;).
[11:21:00] toom: allthough, it's a bit too dark
[11:21:00] malaTG: Hi everyone
[11:21:00] toom: looks quite evil
[11:21:00] laga: Juski: tar cvjf theme.tar.bz2 theme-directory/
[11:22:00] Juski: do'h
[11:22:00] Juski: toom: it looks a little light on my TV
[11:22:00] Juski: and I calibrated my TV the other week
[11:23:00] laga: i believe that regular computer screens are less bright
[11:23:00] toom: i'm running it on tv
[11:23:00] Juski: yeh they're more contrasty too
[11:23:00] toom: i don't complain about contrast
[11:23:00] malaTG: I saw that the blocker on the mythtv-trac was closed does it smell like a new version is coming out? :-)
[11:23:00] laga: malaTG: yep, i think so.
[11:23:00] Juski: wow... maybe....
[11:24:00] Juski: maybe the themes tarball could be a few megs bigger this time ;)
[11:24:00] malaTG: yeay
[11:24:00] laga: hehe :)
[11:24:00] Juski: that would SO make my day
[11:25:00] toom: i'm just recompiling myth with --tune=athlon-tbird --enable-proc-opt
[11:25:00] toom: see if I can get less skippy playback :)
[11:25:00] laga: toom: --enable-proc-opts helps, usually :)
[11:25:00] malaTG: my week easily
[11:25:00] toom: i'd hope so
[11:25:00] malaTG: have waited for this release for a while now :-)
[11:25:00] toom: i wonder what the gentoo use flag for that is
[11:26:00] laga: Juski: i dont know why they wouldn't include it.
[11:26:00] toom: laga: i also added mmx to the configure options. that gives it another boost I hope :)
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[11:27:00] toom: yesterday I compiled mplayer with dvb
[11:27:00] toom: that rocks
[11:27:00] toom: it can play livetv without skipping
[11:28:00] laga: toom: should work ;)
[11:28:00] Juski: there.. now got a tar.bz2 archive uploading to my webserver
[11:28:00] laga: Juski: how big is it now?
[11:28:00] toom: is it much smaller?
[11:28:00] Juski: 6.9mb
[11:29:00] Skaface: hey has anyone got these leaked nvidia drivers?
[11:29:00] Skaface: 8xxx
[11:29:00] laga: what can they do for me?
[11:29:00] Skaface: im not sure what they can do for Me yet
[11:29:00] toom: wow, 1MB saved compared to no compression :)
[11:29:00] laga: hehe
[11:30:00] Juski: the thing is there are a lot of graphics in it, something like 38 high quality watermarks, then gradient filled buttons etc
[11:30:00] Skaface: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 15&num=1
[11:31:00] laga: don't make me drool, i've got the laptop on my lap...
[11:31:00] Juski: SLI.. the Emperor's new graphics :-/
[11:32:00] Juski: how to make a video card more expensive 101: require that you buy two at the same time
[11:33:00] toom: :)
[11:33:00] Skaface: heh yeah
[11:33:00] Skaface: i think that SLI thing is a joke
[11:33:00] Skaface: but im wondering if the driver fixes xvmc on my card
[11:34:00] Juski: I thought xvmc & nvidia were like Paris & Nicole
[11:35:00] laga: who is nicole?
[11:35:00] Skaface: supposedly
[11:35:00] Juski: nicole hilton
[11:35:00] laga: oh, ok.
[11:36:00] Juski: simple and work together ;)
[11:37:00] toom: is there a good howto that explains how setup remote control?
[11:37:00] toom: i sort of came across a few but they all seem to miss the point
[11:38:00] Juski: if there is I've not seen one yet
[11:38:00] anxt: you mean re ceiveing commands?
[11:38:00] Skaface: what is the point?
[11:38:00] Skaface: that they miss
[11:38:00] anxt: i should write one
[11:38:00] Juski: not when you're high lol
[11:39:00] toom: well. when i run irw and press buttons it sais things like: 0001004600000af9 00 power DVICO
[11:39:00] anxt: hah
[11:39:00] Skaface: shakespere was high when he wrote his stuff
[11:39:00] toom: when i press the power button
[11:39:00] anxt: i still know how it works
[11:39:00] Skaface: so they say anyway
[11:39:00] toom: and i've got this file ..
[11:39:00] anxt: i got a transcvier
[11:39:00] anxt: for 10$ cdn
[11:39:00] Juski: toom: that looks like the output of irw
[11:39:00] anxt: jetway some shit
[11:39:00] toom: .mythtv/lircrc
[11:39:00] anxt: but the gain sucjks
[11:40:00] toom: which has things like: prog = mythtv
[11:40:00] toom: button = power
[11:40:00] Juski: toom: yeah
[11:40:00] toom: do I have to add DVICO to that line?
[11:40:00] Juski: toom: no
[11:40:00] Juski: irw outputs the raw code, then the key name, then the remote name
[11:41:00] Juski: or just the key name, depending on which version you're using
[11:41:00] anxt: fuck i need a hooker
[11:42:00] toom: Juski: well, you see what it outputs.
[11:42:00] toom: saw
[11:42:00] Juski: yes, but I think the user is expected to make some connections about things by themselves
[11:43:00] toom: like what?
[11:43:00] Juski: when I first started out with lirc I found the documentation seriously hard going
[11:43:00] Juski: well – you see the output from irw, right... and there's a name of a button in there... so that must be the....
[11:43:00] anxt: sniffies
[11:43:00] Juski: and DVICO could only be the name of the remote control, right?
[11:43:00] toom: well, that's what I just said
[11:44:00] toom: yes, thats the remote name
[11:44:00] toom: i thought, the button is called 'power DVICO'
[11:44:00] Juski: so what you're saying is – how the hell are you supposed to know what the output of irw means when it's (apparently) not documented
[11:44:00] anxt: jp1 remot4es suck
[11:44:00] Juski: I got a jp1 remote.. it's the dogs'
[11:44:00] Juski: as in... it's great
[11:45:00] anxt: i just rubn them on muy tis
[11:45:00] anxt: my tits are only b
[11:46:00] anxt: jp2
[11:46:00] anxt: feed the trooolz
[11:46:00] Juski: time to post on the dev-list methinks
[11:47:00] Skaface: javascript:popdetails('details.php?id=f4075064c4dc76d63068074dcc30dd7e3a65f802') ;
[11:47:00] Skaface: er
[11:47:00] toom: Juski: so what do i have to read (do) again?
[11:47:00] Skaface: haha
[11:47:00] Skaface: http://torrentz.burn.myvnc.com:5454/
[11:47:00] Skaface: theres a torrent link to those leaked nvida drivers there if anyone is interested
[11:47:00] anxt: what nvidia
[11:47:00] Skaface: 8168
[11:48:00] anxt: hmm
[11:48:00] anxt: what is md5
[11:48:00] anxt: do you sniff?
[11:49:00] toom: it's an algorithm that turns numbers into encoded numbers
[11:49:00] anxt: mmm
[11:49:00] toom: of the same length
[11:49:00] anxt: yummy sniffs
[11:54:00] Juski: toom: whatever irw outputs, the stuff seperated by spaces _before_ DVICO is the name lirc has for the keypress. you assign these to functions in your lircrc file
[11:54:00] toom: Juski: ~/.lircrc or ./.mythtv/lircrc?
[11:54:00] Juski: in the mythtv one
[11:55:00] toom: ok, done
[11:55:00] toom: this is basically my file, except that i replaced the irxevent with mythtv: http://www.users.on.net/~jani/lircrc.example.DVICO-irxevent
[11:56:00] toom: or does it need to be mythfrontend?
[11:56:00] Juski: no just mythtv
[11:56:00] toom: good, so it should work?
[11:57:00] Juski: in theory
[11:57:00] Juski: here's mine: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/lircrc
[11:57:00] toom: fine
[11:58:00] toom: looks quite similar
[11:59:00] Juski: and now it's gone :)
[12:00:00] toom: ok
[12:00:00] toom: see if it works better with irxevent
[12:01:00] Juski: how do you mean.. works better?
[12:01:00] toom: dunno
[12:02:00] toom: i just noticed that i had a ~/.lircrc which was dodgy
[12:02:00] toom: see, if it works better now
[12:07:00] Juski: actually I'm just about to compile lirc
[12:07:00] Juski: I need to re-record my remote
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[12:11:00] toom: i surrender
[12:12:00] Juski: what's up?
[12:12:00] toom: if irw is running, does it catch the events or can mythtv still see them?
[12:13:00] Juski: I dunno
[12:13:00] toom: right.. i'll try again :)
[12:15:00] toom: not a difference
[12:16:00] Juski: if irw is picking up buttons but mythtv isn't, chances are something is wrong with the lircrc file
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[12:16:00] Juski: toom: does irw respond to every single keypress?
[12:16:00] toom: yes
[12:19:00] Juski: toom: post your lircrc and your lircd.conf files into pastebins
[12:19:00] Juski: I'll take a look
[12:19:00] toom: ok
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[12:22:00] toom: Juski: http://pastebin.ca/29558
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[12:24:00] Juski: the button names don't match
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[12:24:00] Juski: well the number buttons do, but that's about it
[12:25:00] toom: the lircd.conf has two entries
[12:25:00] Juski: there are 2 lircrd.conf files there.. which one are you using?
[12:25:00] toom: it's all in one
[12:25:00] Juski: two entries?
[12:25:00] Juski: ahhh
[12:25:00] toom: should remove one?
[12:26:00] toom: different names..
[12:26:00] Juski: you could do
[12:26:00] Juski: which one do you think?
[12:26:00] fir3st0rm: could someone tell me how i can play vcds?
[12:26:00] Juski: there's probably a way to leave it as it is, but I dunno what that is
[12:27:00] toom: i guess i'm using the first one, because irw sais: power DVICO rather than on DVICO_MCE
[12:27:00] Juski: yep
[12:29:00] toom: right, it's back on
[12:29:00] toom: i'll try
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[12:31:00] toom: nope
[12:35:00] Juski: hang on
[12:36:00] Juski: aha!
[12:36:00] toom: *hang*
[12:36:00] Juski: "config = Key P CurrentWindow".. should be config = P
[12:37:00] toom: so, remove 'Key ' from everywhere?
[12:37:00] Juski: and the CurrentWindow bits
[12:37:00] toom: how could i not see that..
[12:38:00] toom: do i need to restart anything?
[12:41:00] Juski: ermmm.. probably just mythtv
[12:46:00] toom: yay
[12:46:00] toom: gold
[12:47:00] toom: it's configuration is fucked up but some keys work :)
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[12:54:00] Skaface: hmmmm, my high definition tv is really jerky, but botht he front end and also the backend are only at around 20% cpu usage each
[12:54:00] Skaface: hard drive too slow?
[12:56:00] Juski: toom: you're on your way then
[12:57:00] toom: yes
[12:57:00] toom: just trying to decide if I want to override the volume keys with left/right or use them as volume and make the funny colored keys to the new left/right buttons
[12:58:00] toom: what do you reckon? do you use volume up/down very often?
[12:58:00] fryfrog: Skaface: i doubt it, unless you don't have UDMA on or something
[12:58:00] toom: because my remote doesn't have extra navigation keys
[12:58:00] fryfrog: HDTV is what, like 10mbit / sec? Even the shittiest hard drives do about 10mb/sec
[12:59:00] Skaface: yeah, thats true
[12:59:00] Skaface: i just dunno what the problem is then
[12:59:00] fryfrog: yeah, humm but what does that leave :/
[12:59:00] fryfrog: what kind of video card?
[12:59:00] fryfrog: and how *fast* is the cpu?
[12:59:00] Skaface: gforce 4 MX
[12:59:00] Skaface: backend is 2.8ghz
[13:00:00] Skaface: fromend is 1.5ghz
[13:00:00] fryfrog: it'd be the fe that matters
[13:00:00] Skaface: frontend even
[13:00:00] fryfrog: have you tried hdtv on the backend?
[13:00:00] Skaface: yeah, its choppy as well
[13:00:00] Skaface: exactly the same
[13:00:00] fryfrog: i spose it'd be *hard*, but i'd make the 1.5 the be and 2.8 the fe :)
[13:00:00] fryfrog: ah, humm
[13:00:00] Skaface: yeah thats the plan eventually
[13:00:00] fryfrog: what about recording a bit of hdtv with cmd line tools then playing with mplayer?
[13:01:00] Skaface: i could do that i guess
[13:01:00] fryfrog: it'd rule in/out myth at least
[13:01:00] Skaface: i wouldnt know how to tune in and record digital tv though
[13:02:00] fryfrog: dvb-apps
[13:02:00] fryfrog: dvbtune, azap, czap, etc
[13:02:00] Skaface: ah yeah ive used those zap programs
[13:02:00] fryfrog: then its like ivtv, just "cat /dev/adapter0/blah0 > file.mpg"
[13:02:00] fryfrog: i *think* you need to get it tuned to the right channel and pid, *then* cat from the adapter
[13:03:00] Skaface: hang on, thats strange, i just ran myth again, went to watch tv, and the picture isnt jerky
[13:03:00] Skaface: oh, its an ad
[13:03:00] Skaface: lower resolution i assume
[13:05:00] Skaface: uh ok, it doesnt seem to be jerky anymore
[13:06:00] univac: maybe it needs a larger buffer, but i forget if there's a setting for that
[13:06:00] Skaface: there is, i saw it before
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[13:08:00] Skaface: nope, didnt help
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[13:12:00] Skaface: oh, i had it set to 16 bit colour
[13:12:00] univac: Skaface: is it jerky regardless of whether the OSD is on?
[13:12:00] Skaface: changed it to 24 bit
[13:12:00] Skaface: and it seems to be better
[13:15:00] Skaface: nah its not actually
[13:15:00] Skaface: nah doesnt matter if the osd is on or off
[13:15:00] univac: X was running at 16 bit?
[13:15:00] Skaface: the picture goes terribly jerky when i bring up the osd though
[13:15:00] Skaface: its jerky in a different way though
[13:15:00] Skaface: kindof vibrates
[13:16:00] univac: i found that one of the OSD settings helped that, i think i got rid of transparent
[13:16:00] Skaface: i am using xvmc by the way
[13:16:00] univac: try disabling that
[13:16:00] Skaface: you read my mind, im doing that now :)
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[13:17:00] bigslam: hmm for the mysqldb the sql does it just have a table in it?
[13:17:00] Orfeous: hi everyone again ;)
[13:17:00] bigslam: i import it and just see a table nothing is inside the database
[13:19:00] Skaface: AH, you know how i kept saying that i think its working now
[13:19:00] Skaface: ive noticed why
[13:19:00] univac: Skaface: i'm listening
[13:19:00] Skaface: ive got 2 tuner cards, analog and digital, it defaults to analog...
[13:19:00] Skaface: i got to watch tv
[13:19:00] Skaface: then switch to digital and it works fine
[13:19:00] Skaface: i change down a channel
[13:19:00] Skaface: then back up
[13:19:00] Skaface: and it goes jerky
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[13:19:00] Skaface: i switch back to analog then back to digital
[13:20:00] Skaface: and the picture is fine again
[13:21:00] Skaface: i think its something to do with when the stream changes resolution
[13:21:00] Skaface: as the different channels are different resolutions
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[13:27:00] Skaface: ok
[13:27:00] univac: what was it?
[13:27:00] Skaface: when i change from analog to digital, mythfrontend shows the following
[13:27:00] Skaface: im not sure yet :)
[13:27:00] Skaface: 2005-11–21 00:33:58.549 Using protocol version 15
[13:27:00] Skaface: 2005-11–21 00:33:58.622 Disable DPMS
[13:27:00] Skaface: adding pes stream at pid 0x341 with type 2
[13:27:00] Skaface: adding pes stream at pid 0x342 with type 3
[13:27:00] Skaface: adding pes stream at pid 0x343 with type 129
[13:27:00] Skaface: then the picture is good
[13:27:00] Skaface: ill change down then up a channel
[13:28:00] Skaface: 2005-11–21 00:35:21.712 streams_changed() — stream count 2
[13:28:00] Skaface: 2005-11–21 00:35:21.892 AvFormatDecoder: Video has changed from 0x0 to 720x576.
[13:28:00] Skaface: that looks odd to me
[13:28:00] Skaface: changed from 0x0 to 720x576
[13:29:00] univac: so this is moving between channels on the same card?
[13:29:00] Skaface: yes
[13:30:00] univac: both the same type of channels right?
[13:32:00] Skaface: oh, im getting heaps of "prebuffering pause" messages in time with the pausing on the screen
[13:34:00] Skaface: i changed to yet another channel
[13:34:00] Skaface: 2005-11–21 00:41:24.377 AvFormatDecoder: Video has changed from 0x0 to 1440x1080
[13:34:00] Skaface: and it is fine, not slow or jerky at all
[13:35:00] univac: where did you find that buffer setting?
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[13:35:00] Skaface: settings/tv settings/general
[13:35:00] Skaface: i think
[13:35:00] Skaface: on the frontend
[13:36:00] univac: ringbuffer?
[13:36:00] Skaface: yeah thats the one
[13:36:00] univac: ok, that's not what i was thinking of
[13:36:00] Skaface: ah ok
[13:36:00] Skaface: would it be in the backend settings?
[13:37:00] univac: i wouldn't think so
[13:37:00] toom: wow
[13:37:00] toom: happiness
[13:37:00] toom: it's finally doing what i want
[13:37:00] toom: now i need to get the font a bit bigger
[13:38:00] Skaface: i am very curious as to which buffer you mean univac :)
[13:38:00] univac: i can't swear it has this setting, i'm thinking of one that works like mplayer's -cache option
[13:39:00] univac: it helps to increase it when IO is slow
[13:39:00] Skaface: yeah
[13:39:00] bigslam: i cant find where mysql put my .cnf file
[13:40:00] Skaface: but i can change back to analog then to digital again and its fine... its like.. a bug or something
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[13:41:00] univac: which kernel module does your card use?
[13:41:00] Juski: right.. that's my lirc stuff fixed
[13:41:00] Juski: been missing a menu button for ages
[13:41:00] Juski: next!
[13:43:00] Skaface: cx88
[13:43:00] Skaface: im not sure if thats the name of the module, as i have it compiled in
[13:44:00] univac: are there any options for that module e.g. tuner=
[13:46:00] Skaface: checking out eh kernel docs
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[13:54:00] Skaface: argh 1am
[13:55:00] Skaface: damn computers
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[13:59:00] Skaface: im off, ill research the module options tomorrow
[13:59:00] Skaface: thanks for your help univac
[13:59:00] univac: we tried
[13:59:00] univac: good luck
[14:00:00] Skaface: at least i can view HD tv, now that ive worked out to change sources to analog then back to digital
[14:01:00] Skaface: but im going to work out why its doing it, and find a messy hack to get it working properly
[14:01:00] Skaface: :)
[14:01:00] univac: is this OTA HD?
[14:01:00] Skaface: yeah
[14:02:00] univac: are you in a major city?
[14:02:00] Skaface: pretty close
[14:02:00] univac: i have no idea what I'd be able to receive here... one of these days
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[14:07:00] psofa: wheres the documentation about the lirc actions for writing my lircrc?
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[14:15:00] Juski: psofa: look in the lircd.conf file to find out the button names
[14:15:00] psofa: not my remote's buttons
[14:16:00] psofa: mythtv's actions that i can map to buttons
[14:16:00] Juski: then assign them to keys (i.e. button = enter) in the lircrc file
[14:16:00] Juski: use existing lircrc files to find out what does what
[14:16:00] psofa: okay i found something
[14:16:00] Juski: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
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[14:41:00] Orfeous: Agrajag-: are you here?
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[15:16:00] t00m: what's the size of a standard tv image?
[15:16:00] t00m: must be something like 530 pixels in width
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[15:21:00] JvH: hello, anybody running dsmyth?
[15:21:00] JvH: i'm having problems that it only plays a couple of seconds when i try to watch live tv with mediaplayer classic
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[15:28:00] Predits: hi
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[15:42:00] Predits: hello
[15:43:00] KillerBunny: hi
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[15:43:00] Predits: does anybody have troubles with dsmyth?
[15:44:00] t00m: who is encoding recorded stuff with mencoder?
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[15:44:00] KillerBunny: You did a sec ago, when you joined with another user =)
[15:44:00] t00m: i don't use dsmith
[15:44:00] KillerBunny: Was talking to Predits.
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: Haven't used dsmyth in a couple years (or so it seems)
[15:45:00] KillerBunny: Ohh so myth records to nuv, and you can stream them to mediaplayer?
[15:46:00] Predits: i'm to get it to run and it is more or less running. the thing is that it only plays a live show for about 5 secs
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: dsmyth is a direct show filter for windows to play the mpeg4/rtjpeg nuv files
[15:46:00] Predits: and then it loops
[15:47:00] KillerBunny: are you sure that the nuv contains more then 5 secs
[15:47:00] KillerBunny: ?
[15:47:00] Predits: i try to watch a live show
[15:47:00] KillerBunny: Try reading in the forums http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/
[15:48:00] Predits: i did... nothing there about this problem
[15:48:00] KillerBunny: hmm...
[15:48:00] Predits: that's why i'm here.... hoping to find the answer...
[15:48:00] Predits: somebody recommended to go to this channel
[15:49:00] Predits: it's my first time here
[15:49:00] Predits: are there any dsmyth channels?
[15:49:00] KillerBunny: But this chan is for mythtv, so you might not find the anwser to that here.
[15:50:00] Predits: so why are there many people in this chatroom but only a couple are responding and i don't see any other messages?
[15:50:00] KillerBunny: Its called Idling, wellcome to IRC.
[15:50:00] KillerBunny: =)
[15:51:00] Predits: what the heck is that? :-)
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: cause not everyone is sitting at their computer right now, and some are in other channels, or doing other things. not every person on IRC is active 100% of the time
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: I leave my IRC client connected 24/7 and I am certainly not here responding all of that time :)
[15:52:00] Predits: but the users i see in the right column are that all the users or the users in this chatroom?
[15:52:00] KillerBunny: Yes.
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: users in this channel (the proper name)
[15:53:00] KillerBunny: The support on that DSMyth is very poor, maybe send the maker a mail, and hope he likes supporting.
[15:53:00] Predits: and why do i only see messages from you 2?
[15:53:00] KillerBunny: Cause we are the only 2 typing?
[15:53:00] KillerBunny: Try joining a more active chan like #debian or #gentoo
[15:54:00] Predits: ohhh yeah that's a good idea... i'll try to send him an email...
[15:54:00] KillerBunny: Dont ask dsmyth related stuff there though
[15:54:00] Predits: so what r u using as a frontend for mythtv?
[15:54:00] KillerBunny: Im using mythfrontend.
[15:55:00] Predits: running on debian?
[15:55:00] KillerBunny: The one included with mythtv.
[15:55:00] KillerBunny: Yeah.
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: I have 3 PC based mythfrontends and 1 mvp
[15:55:00] Predits: on the same box?
[15:55:00] KillerBunny: Yeah both frontend and backend on same box here.
[15:55:00] KillerBunny: mvp ?
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: KillerBunny: MediaMVP
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: a small embedded network based video player with tvout
[15:56:00] KillerBunny: Ohh i remember you guys talking about that
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[15:56:00] Predits: i have that running as well but i want it to run on my laptop so i can watch tv outside
[15:57:00] squeegy: do those mediamvps work with mythtv?
[15:57:00] GreyFoxx: sqee: They do if you use the MvpMC software and not the hauppage provided stuff :)
[15:57:00] KillerBunny: Hehe.
[15:57:00] KillerBunny: How much space does it have?
[15:58:00] squeegy: nifty
[15:58:00] squeegy: i just got my mac mini working as a frontend, so i'm looking for other small options as well
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: KillerBunny: None, all network based
[15:58:00] KillerBunny: Ohh so you dont have anything installed on it, it only forwards ?
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: It boots off the network, and can nfs mount stuff or play via the mythtv protocol
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: It can also play from a ReplayTV
[15:59:00] KillerBunny: Hmm but whats the point then ?
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: but I tend to ignore the non mythtv stuff
[15:59:00] KillerBunny: Why not just get a long cable ?
[15:59:00] squeegy: i think i'm going to go out and buy a PVR-500 or whatever it is with two tuners and use that in addition to my pvr-250
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: KillerBunny: To play back recordings?
[15:59:00] KillerBunny: Yes, i mean you still need one computer on to make tat mvp run ?
[15:59:00] KillerBunny: that even.
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: IT's a small, quiet, cheap lowpower frontend
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[16:00:00] KillerBunny: I which power was cheap here, so i could have a farm of backends.
[16:00:00] KillerBunny: =)
[16:01:00] GreyFoxx: KillerBunny: Yes you would still require a backend to stream the recordings from. Just like you do with a remote mythfrontend
[16:02:00] KillerBunny: I guess im not use to thinking in the mythtv way, cause i have everything on one computer to save power.
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[16:03:00] amorphix: which is better, PVR 150,250 or 350
[16:03:00] ** eidolon yawns **
[16:04:00] eidolon: mornin.
[16:04:00] Predits: what kind of irc client r u using?
[16:04:00] amorphix: I have timeshifting TV and I like it!
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: Depends on what you are doing. the 350 has a mpeg decoder+tv out, the 150 is cheaper than the 250, but the 250 tends to have the most stable driver support
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: Predits: Who are you asking ?:)
[16:04:00] amorphix: but I want to make tv come onto my laptop
[16:05:00] eidolon: er. the 350 has tv out? wait. *confused*
[16:05:00] Predits: anyone
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: Yes it does
[16:05:00] amorphix: cool
[16:05:00] amorphix: 150 is cheapest then
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: the 350 is a 250 + mpegdecoder+tvout
[16:05:00] eidolon: er... okay, what stream goes tot hat then? mythfrontend uses vga drivers... so what goes out the 350?
[16:05:00] ** eidolon noobs. **
[16:05:00] eidolon: pvr150 is perfectly good for most folks (i use one)
[16:05:00] eidolon: and is easily gotten for $85 or so.
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: You can tell mythfrontend to output via the 350s decoder
[16:06:00] amorphix: I have limited timeshifting and tv on demand on my set top box now from cable
[16:06:00] Juski: hi again GreyFoxx
[16:06:00] amorphix: does anyone have this?
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: and you can configure X to work with the ivtv x driver to display x on there
[16:06:00] Juski: been messing again: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/frontmyth.png
[16:06:00] eidolon: innnnnteresting.
[16:06:00] amorphix: I can pause/rewind/fastforward tv programs
[16:07:00] amorphix: and i can watch shows +/- 7 days
[16:07:00] amorphix: but I want tv elsewhere around the home
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Cool
[16:08:00] amorphix: is mythtv what I should be looking into?
[16:08:00] eidolon: GreyFoxx: zo.... what happens while playing video through the 350? on the vga? is this the 'dual screen' mode i've been looking for?
[16:08:00] Juski: well, people posted links to Apple's frontrow, but I've not seen any action on it yet
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[16:08:00] KillerBunny: Predits, i use xchat on a windows machine.
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: all video sent to the 350's decoder goes out it's tvout. It doesn't interact with your vga card in anyway
[16:09:00] Juski: amorphix: if you're prepared to do a bit of work, mythtv could be for you
[16:09:00] amorphix: ok
[16:09:00] amorphix: im prepared
[16:09:00] eidolon: okay, so if i have a small vga display, running mythfrontend. and i hit [Watch LiveTV], what happens to mythfrontend? (assuming my tv is on the video out on the 350)
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[16:09:00] Juski: you don't have to be _that_ picky about hardware, but be careful what you try to use
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: Most people configure everything, X included to go out the 350, so nothing would be on your VGA display unl;ess you configured a second X server
[16:12:00] t00m: who is encoding recorded stuff with mencoder?
[16:13:00] eidolon: okee
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[16:36:00] bal00: hi
[16:37:00] bal00: is there any mythtv-devel channel anywhere?
[16:38:00] laga: bal00: #mythtv
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[16:38:00] bal00: thanks
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[16:58:00] DCG: dangit, why doesnt the pvr150 do 320x240?
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[17:02:00] Juski: rescaling hasn't worked in the driver since way back, DCG
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[17:02:00] DCG: that sucks
[17:02:00] Juski: capture full rez or not at all
[17:02:00] DCG: and my audio is tinny
[17:03:00] Juski: wah
[17:03:00] DCG: wah?
[17:03:00] Juski: boo-hoo
[17:03:00] laga: Juski: ?
[17:04:00] DCG: ok, its not just mildly tinny
[17:04:00] DCG: it sounds like its coming out of the tin man's butt
[17:04:00] Juski: probably need to try changing the firmware then
[17:04:00] DCG: i've done that several times
[17:04:00] DCG: with 5 min powerdowns btwn boots
[17:05:00] Juski: and remember that support for the pvr150 is still relatively new
[17:05:00] Juski: lots of people have em working & lots don't
[17:05:00] DCG: is it?
[17:05:00] Juski: it's not as mature as say, the pvr250 driver
[17:05:00] Juski: and even that is still ongoing I think
[17:06:00] DCG: cause i've tried the default driver that comes with knoppmyth 5a16, i;ve tried 0.4.0, 0.5.0
[17:06:00] DCG: and with 0.5.0 i get *nothing* out of either of my tv cards now
[17:06:00] DCG: the 150 or the 878
[17:07:00] Juski: ouch
[17:07:00] DCG: yea
[17:07:00] DCG: and whats that header on the cards for
[17:07:00] Juski: DCG: try in #ivtv-dev
[17:08:00] Juski: someone in there might be able to help ;)
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[17:15:00] DCG: :P
[17:15:00] DCG: who needs 10 tuners in a system
[17:16:00] DCG: its not like theres 10 worthwile shows on at the same time
[17:16:00] ** laga raises his hand **
[17:16:00] Krazylegz: There aren't 10 worthwhile shows on at anytime.
[17:16:00] DCG: heh
[17:16:00] Krazylegz: laga lives in Germany. They may have better television there.
[17:16:00] DCG: the beyondtv folks built a box with 5 pvr500's
[17:17:00] laga: Krazylegz: hehe.
[17:17:00] Krazylegz: Maybe they want to record the SAME show 10 times at the same time.
[17:18:00] laga: Krazylegz: eleminates the capture card as a point of failure
[17:18:00] rusig: or maybe they ant a security system (cameras etc)
[17:19:00] rusig: similar to my system.. watch TV and record the junkies dealing on the otherside of the street
[17:19:00] rusig: :P
[17:20:00] DCG: i can't believe ppl pay for junk pvr software thats lower quality than mythtv
[17:21:00] DCG: i tried out one windows app that just started being free "GotAllMedia" i dont know how anyone justified paying for that.
[17:22:00] squeegy: because they can't setup mythtv ?
[17:22:00] squeegy: :)
[17:23:00] DCG: and for some reason beyondtv decided to not allow you to have more than one tuner in a machine if one of the tuners is a software-encoding card
[17:23:00] DCG: i can remember using cyberlink powervcr on a 300mhz machine when i got my wintv-go
[17:24:00] DCG: how is it that they could encode a decent mpeg2 stream in realtime but this new stuff wants a 1.5Ghz or better
[17:24:00] simcop2387: DCG: thats actually a decent assumption but a very stupid limitation (software encoders take ALOT of cpu power for some video)
[17:24:00] Krazylegz: Blame KDE.
[17:24:00] Krazylegz: It's not really KDE's fault, but I'm not a fan of KDE.
[17:25:00] simcop2387: DCG: because rarely do they do mpeg2 they usually do mpeg4
[17:25:00] DCG: which i feel is stupid
[17:25:00] simcop2387: yea
[17:25:00] DCG: esp if the hardware cards are still doing mpeg2
[17:26:00] simcop2387: it also has to do with the bitrates you want to go with
[17:26:00] simcop2387: along with resolution
[17:26:00] DCG: well i aim for lowend most the time cause of streaming
[17:27:00] simcop2387: i've actually made a script now that'll reduce the file size in half of mpeg2 streams (uses mp2 audio at 112kb/s and tcrequant to half the video)
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[17:43:00] Juski: hey laga thanks for your comments :)
[17:43:00] Juski: those icon placements are bastards
[17:44:00] laga: Juski: hehe ;)
[17:44:00] Juski: up a bit... save, quit, reload
[17:44:00] Juski: there's got to be an easier way
[17:46:00] laga: hehe
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[17:53:00] Juski: wow this really is better with colour
[17:56:00] Juski: laga: was it the down arrow you were talking about?
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[18:01:00] difeta: hi all! I'm using the rtjpeg codec for livetv but I get this wired overlay of past frames when it plays. Any ideas what causes this?
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[18:08:00] rsdvd: Good Evening All.....is there any problems when changing a backend into a slave backend?
[18:08:00] phoner: slavery was abolished
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[18:10:00] rjune: phoner: only in some parts of the world
[18:10:00] rjune: and hear in the US we moved on to wage slaves, which is pretty close
[18:11:00] phoner: everyone's a wage slave
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[18:12:00] phoner: except for the mythtv producers
[18:12:00] rjune: I'm hoping not to be w/in a year or two
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[18:14:00] phoner: remember me when you win the lotto
[18:14:00] rjune: heh, nothing like that.
[18:14:00] rjune: I'll still work. and still have to work to support my family.
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[18:15:00] rjune: just actually have money to do shit, and not be financially on the ropes all the time
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[18:45:00] laga: Juski: yep, it was
[18:46:00] Juski: sorted
[18:46:00] Juski: also sorted out the odd text colours
[18:47:00] Juski: and am now making nice colour watermarks
[18:47:00] Juski: lucky I kept the original files ;)
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[18:48:00] Juski: hmm what can I use to represent 'channels' for 'search channels' ?
[18:49:00] Juski: ah sod it there's only so much a man can abstract
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[18:53:00] rsdvd: Hiya Juski
[18:53:00] Juski: hiya rsdvd
[18:54:00] Juski: I tested the IR modules.. they're fsckd
[18:55:00] rsdvd: in what way......the ICs are knackered?
[18:55:00] Juski: I dunno
[18:56:00] Juski: if I knew, they would be working
[18:57:00] rsdvd: I guess :-
[18:57:00] rsdvd: :-)
[18:58:00] rsdvd: Do you know anywhere I can buy a ready built one?
[18:58:00] laga: ebay, probably
[18:59:00] otwin: rsdvd: are you looking for a ir receiver?
[19:00:00] rsdvd: otwin : yes
[19:00:00] otwin: i got mine from here: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=buy
[19:00:00] otwin: works great
[19:01:00] rsdvd: I was going to build the 'home brew' from lirc.org.....I actually need a few.....but I cannot get to any electronics store to buy the bits
[19:01:00] rsdvd: I will have a look at the link  – thanks
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[19:02:00] Juski: rsdvd.. you tried Maplin ?
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[19:02:00] Juski: you're never too far away from Maplins
[19:03:00] rsdvd: unfortunatly the nearest Maplin is tiny and in the middle of Nottingham ( nearly an hour away)
[19:03:00] Juski: ouch
[19:03:00] otwin: Juski: btw, thanks for that theme – it's my new default one :-)
[19:04:00] rsdvd: Juski : I tried their website......it is as much use as a chocolate teapot
[19:04:00] laga: chocolate *drool*
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[19:05:00] Juski: otwin: I'm currently working on making it better
[19:05:00] Juski: taken on board the comments people made
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[19:06:00] rsdvd: juski : have you released a theme?
[19:06:00] Weezey: I ordered a PVR-350 on their site it says it comes with: Infra-red remote control receiver with a 1 meter extender cable and Infra-red remote control transmitter. I haven't seen too many docs about the transmitter, everyone documents the recevier though.
[19:06:00] Juski: yup
[19:06:00] otwin: great – can't wait to get it v2
[19:07:00] Weezey: does it actually come with a transmitter, or should I look into buying something else for that?
[19:07:00] rsdvd: juski : where can I get it :-)
[19:07:00] Juski: making the volume indicator for mythmusic transparent
[19:07:00] Juski: rsdvd.. don't yet...
[19:07:00] Juski: version 2 is almost done
[19:07:00] rsdvd: :-( I will wait for version 2
[19:07:00] Juski: give me an hour
[19:08:00] rsdvd: lol......wow fast worker
[19:08:00] otwin: :-)
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[19:08:00] Locke: hi
[19:08:00] laga: hi Locke
[19:09:00] Locke: anyone familiar with mythweb?
[19:09:00] laga: what's the problem?
[19:09:00] Locke: i have setup a symbolic link to my record folder
[19:09:00] Locke: in the mythweb directory
[19:09:00] Locke: it has permissions 755
[19:09:00] Locke: but i get a 403
[19:09:00] Locke: when trying to download a record
[19:10:00] Locke: if i manually create a folder, give it 755 and copy the nuv file into it, it works
[19:10:00] rsdvd: probably apache as opposed to mythweb....you will need the FollowSymLinks option on the directory
[19:10:00] Locke: oh
[19:10:00] Locke: where "options indexes" is, add "FollowSymLinks"?
[19:11:00] rsdvd: yes....just checking the syntax for you
[19:11:00] Locke: has it to be in the Options?
[19:12:00] laga: Juski: hey. did you read michael t. dean's message? about the icon placement?
[19:12:00] rsdvd: yes....it is an option for the location/virtualhost/directory containers.....just add +FollowSymLinks to the end of the options line and restart apache
[19:13:00] Locke: i did
[19:13:00] Locke: still 403
[19:14:00] Locke: Options -All -Multiviews +Indexes +FollowSymLinks
[19:14:00] Locke: this is set
[19:14:00] rsdvd: check the apache logs............there will be a line explaining why it 403
[19:14:00] Juski: I did, laga
[19:14:00] Juski: ;)
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[19:14:00] laga: Juski: my resolution is 75x75 dpi :)
[19:15:00] Juski: ah
[19:15:00] Juski: it was off on mine though
[19:15:00] Locke: it is: (75)Value too large for defined data type:
[19:16:00] Juski: check out: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/frontmyth.png
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[19:16:00] Juski: that's next ;)
[19:16:00] Locke: maybe because the file is larger than 2GB
[19:17:00] rsdvd: arh......there is a limit in Apache of 2gb for all file access.....there are patches out there to change that
[19:17:00] Locke: okay
[19:18:00] rsdvd: try accessing a smaller file in the directory....and that will prove the symlink/permisssions are ok
[19:19:00] Locke: yes
[19:19:00] Locke: i tried to access the preview picture
[19:19:00] Locke: the .nuv.png
[19:19:00] Locke: this works
[19:19:00] rsdvd: ok....the size limit looks promising then
[19:20:00] Locke: gotta wait for apache 2.2
[19:20:00] Locke: don't know if there are patches for gentoo
[19:20:00] Locke: or patched ebuilds
[19:22:00] rsdvd: Locke : a quick google found this......http://www.mailarchives.org/list/apache-httpd . . . g/2005/00016 should show you how to up the limit to 4gb
[19:24:00] Locke: thanks, have a look at it the next days
[19:25:00] Locke: i'd have to do an emerge --fetchonly and compile manually
[19:25:00] Juski: right I think this lot is ready for a packing
[19:25:00] rsdvd: I use fedora....and i build all my applications
[19:25:00] Locke: gentoo builds them, too
[19:25:00] Locke: but automated
[19:26:00] Locke: an emerge <program name> fetches the source and builds it
[19:26:00] rsdvd: ok
[19:26:00] Locke: it is my home server
[19:26:00] Locke: it has a web and music player daemon server
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[19:26:00] Locke: for streaming music to university
[19:26:00] Locke: to listen to it when there
[19:27:00] Locke: and in my home lan it's a tv server with mythtv
[19:28:00] Locke: but i will simply patch mythweb
[19:28:00] Locke: if i access it from outside, it will not give me download links to the nuv files
[19:28:00] mace: anyone any thoughts about why when mythmusic changes track, the whole frontend hangs, and the audio loops for around 10 seconds, before the track changes?
[19:28:00] Locke: if in the lan, it will point me directly to the nfs mount i did on my iMac
[19:29:00] Locke: i mounted my record folder via nfs on my mac
[19:29:00] rsdvd: locke – sounds good
[19:29:00] Juski: new screenshots @ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/images/new/
[19:29:00] Locke: so, if accessing from the 192.168.1.238 which is my mac, the link is file://Volumes/192.168.1.244/media/record/filename.nuv
[19:30:00] simcop2387: well i just found out that my script has a flaw, i needed -mtime +1 on the find command not -mtime 1
[19:30:00] Locke: if accessing from 192.168.1.251, which is my second comp and from the 252 which is the notebook of my parents (windoze boxes) the link points to file://Z|/record
[19:30:00] Locke: the media share is mounted via samba as Z: permanently
[19:31:00] Locke: i think this is a better solution
[19:31:00] simcop2387: that is completely unportable
[19:31:00] Locke: it's only a small fix for my home lan
[19:31:00] Locke: and every other comp which has no entry will simply get no links
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[19:32:00] Locke: just the name of the file displayed
[19:32:00] Locke: i could incorporate a setting screen for this
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[19:32:00] Locke: it's then more portable
[19:32:00] simcop2387: a better solution would be a small php script that works like this, http://mywebserver.tld/retrieve.php?show=file.nuv and then you can manage it alot easier the php script can get a list of files from the database (though this'll put more load on apache and possibly the network if they are on different servers)
[19:33:00] Locke: i mean this in this manner
[19:33:00] simcop2387: you can then even have access outside alot easier with authentication if you wanted
[19:33:00] simcop2387: thats how i would have done it anyway
[19:33:00] Locke: just do a <a href="<?php echo link-dest(); ?>" >
[19:34:00] Locke: and link-dest queries a database or a file
[19:34:00] Locke: which contains the IPs and the appropriate link destinations
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[19:37:00] Juski: rsdvd: theme is now available at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . yhem.tar.bz2
[19:40:00] simcop2387: Juski: looks nice a little dark for my tases though maybe
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[19:41:00] rsdvd: thanks Juski : just got to learn how to install another theme now :-)
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[19:43:00] Juski: simcop2387: my next theme is mostly going to look a lot like Apple's frontrow
[19:44:00] simcop2387: hmm
[19:44:00] Juski: btw download link is borked.. uploading it again
[19:44:00] Juski: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/frontmyth.png, simcop2387 ;)
[19:45:00] simcop2387: neat
[19:45:00] Juski: I say _look_ like, because all that animation the new ui will have is a fair way off
[19:45:00] simcop2387: Juski: i wish i knew what exactly i wanted in a theme, then i could either make it myself or get someone too
[19:45:00] laga: Juski: the spiff
[19:45:00] Juski: be nice if I could code too
[19:45:00] laga: *sigh* yes
[19:46:00] Juski: I'm gonna start learning though
[19:46:00] Juski: I've got this idea for a UI calibration screen....
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[19:46:00] laga: python is nice ;)
[19:46:00] Juski: so all I'll be doing is dragging pngs across the screen
[19:47:00] Locke: oh just wanted to download the tar.bz2
[19:47:00] Locke: it says "corrupted"
[19:47:00] Locke: there i saw you just upload it
[19:47:00] Juski: uploading it again
[19:47:00] Juski: noticed I left some stuff in that shouldn't have been there
[19:47:00] Juski: sorry!
[19:48:00] Locke: how big is it?
[19:48:00] Juski: bout 8MB
[19:49:00] Juski: ahh that NTL botnet PC has stopped knocking on the door of my server, so the upload speed's increased again
[19:49:00] laga: NTL botnet?
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[19:50:00] Juski: yeh laga.. keep getting NTL ip addresses trying to get in
[19:50:00] Locke: i'd like an option in mythtv to rename recordings
[19:50:00] Juski: it's pissing me off, so I'm collecting the logs
[19:50:00] Locke: and if it is just appending the station and broadcast name to the filename
[19:50:00] laga: Locke: it's there in SVN, just wait for the next release
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[19:50:00] Locke: okay
[19:50:00] laga: Juski: oh, ok
[19:51:00] Locke is now known as Loeckchen
[19:51:00] Loeckchen: oh the nick was taken
[19:51:00] Loeckchen: i didn't see
[19:52:00] Juski: 213.106.17.177, the windows 2000 user
[19:52:00] Loeckchen: let's see if he has open windows shares
[19:52:00] Juski: if I could be arsed to compile it I'd send him the ping of death
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[19:53:00] laga: POD doesn't work with win2k :)
[19:53:00] Juski: oh yeh
[19:54:00] Juski: coz it's got some of the 'nix IP stack
[19:54:00] Loeckchen: i'm just portscanning him
[19:54:00] Juski: okeee.. the file has now uploaded
[19:54:00] Loeckchen: let's see what he has open
[19:55:00] Juski: size is spot on, so it should be fine :)
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[19:56:00] Juski: hahaha.. someone wants a theme of the screenshot I posted earlier..
[19:56:00] Juski: (already)
[19:56:00] Juski: jees
[19:57:00] Juski: right I gotta eat before I expire
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[19:57:00] ** laga auto-expires Juski **
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[19:58:00] Loeckchen: i have a shitty router
[19:58:00] laga: hehe
[19:58:00] Loeckchen: it dies from a simple nmap run
[19:58:00] sphing: i was thinking the same thing.... "expire"
[19:58:00] laga: sphing: hehe
[19:59:00] Loeckchen: never buy the d-link shit again *grml*
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[20:01:00] Loeckchen: okay i'm off for today
[20:02:00] laga: bye
[20:02:00] sphing: dont expire
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[20:14:00] Netslayer: i have an announcement :-P
[20:14:00] Netslayer: 16:9 Time company makers of the firewire converters for directv/dishnetwork
[20:15:00] Netslayer: are working on a mythtv driver
[20:15:00] Netslayer: finally!
[20:15:00] IA-Outdoors: on mythsetup, I've got a PVR-250. How do I know what video device to assign it in "capture card setup"?
[20:15:00] laga: IA-Outdoors: is it the only card?
[20:15:00] simcop2387: theres something i finally got around to doing setting the reserved block count on my myth/torrent drives to 0 (root doesn't need extra space there)
[20:16:00] IA-Outdoors: laga: yeah, for now
[20:16:00] laga: IA-Outdoors: /dev/video0 i think
[20:16:00] IA-Outdoors: k, anyway to verify?
[20:16:00] simcop2387: IA-Outdoors: check the ouptut of ivtv in dmesg
[20:16:00] laga: IA-Outdoors: dmesg | grep video i think
[20:16:00] IA-Outdoors: simcop2387: will do
[20:19:00] IA-Outdoors: k, first problem I assume if I recompile a new kernel I have to rebuild ivtv?
[20:20:00] IA-Outdoors: yeah, I do...nm
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[20:21:00] compwiz312: Hi, I'm having a problem with my mythbox, I recently moved the hard drive with my linux install into a new computer. I changed all the drivers and such (including ivtv for my PVR-150s) and everything works. However wheneven I try and either watch a recording or hit "Watch TV" the computer completely freezes and must be rebooted. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
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[20:23:00] IA-Outdoors: simcop2387: what am I looking for in ivtv output in dmesg?
[20:24:00] IA-Outdoors: I see references to ivtv0
[20:24:00] IA-Outdoors: that somehow tell me what device the capture card is using?
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[20:38:00] webbnetsys: Is anybody having problems with ivtv using framebuffering??
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[20:39:00] compwiz312: anyone?
[20:43:00] IA-Outdoors: does zap2it take a while before the settings 'take'? When I run mythfilldatabase it keeps giving 401 unauthorized errors
[20:44:00] IA-Outdoors: then it tries another URL
[20:44:00] IA-Outdoors: but it's always trying to connect to 206.18.98.160
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[20:45:00] webbnetsys: IA-Outdoors: you have to create an account there.
[20:45:00] IA-Outdoors: already did
[20:45:00] webbnetsys: And fill out a survey every 6 mo.
[20:45:00] forx: hello, i triend recompiling my mplayer to include some codecs for mencoder and now evertime i try to encode something, no matter the parameters, it tells me frameno.avi file not found
[20:45:00] IA-Outdoors: in fact, when I run mythfilldatabase it shows when the account expires (2/2/06)
[20:45:00] webbnetsys: are you connected to the internet
[20:45:00] IA-Outdoors: sure am
[20:45:00] forx: anyone have any ideas why it might do that?
[20:45:00] webbnetsys: check your username /password.
[20:47:00] IA-Outdoors: webbnetsys: again, if that was wrong, how could it tell me my expiration data is 2/2/06 (which is right according to the website)
[20:47:00] webbnetsys: When was the last time you received the XML files
[20:48:00] webbnetsys: It could be because you already have them??
[20:48:00] webbnetsys: I am just throwing out answers.
[20:48:00] IA-Outdoors: never have...this is a fresh install
[20:53:00] ** IA-Outdoors sighs **
[20:54:00] IA-Outdoors: Ok, so I do mythsetup and go to input connections and setup directtv, give it my zap2it username/pw hit fetch listings and that clearly works. But when I get out to the shell and run mythfilldatabase I get these "unauthorized" errors
[20:54:00] IA-Outdoors: does it take some amoutn of time for new zap2it accounts to activate?
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[20:58:00] IA-Outdoors: on a side note, what user should one run mythtv as?
[20:58:00] laga: IA-Outdoors: i use "mythtv"
[20:58:00] IA-Outdoors: laga: k, anything special I have to do other than useradd?
[20:59:00] laga: IA-Outdoors: some distros have special groups for access to audio and video devices. check /etc/group to see what you have got
[20:59:00] webbnetsys: anybody know how to install source rpms using yum??
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[21:00:00] compwiz312: i originally thought my problem might be due to mad video drivers, but i can play videos with mplayer using either ximage or xvideo, do i don't think that is the problem
[21:00:00] IA-Outdoors: laga: yeah, did that already
[21:01:00] IA-Outdoors: thx
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[21:03:00] deigo: it takes me several seconds to change channels, is this because im still using ext3 (i'll switch to xfs once everything is done) or by lack of processing power or what?
[21:03:00] deigo: channel surfing is quite impossible in this setup
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[21:05:00] laga: deigo: quite normal. changing to xfs can improve things a bit.
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: there is a delay due to the various buffering, so it will never be instant
[21:05:00] laga: deigo: try "browse mode" in the OSD
[21:06:00] laga: deigo: in SVN, livetv got a major re-work, things are faster there now
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: laga: the new livetv code appears, at least to me to be quite speedy at channel changes . Nifty nifty stuff
[21:07:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i havent tried the completely new stuff yet, but it's gotten better anyways. danielk did some changes a month or so back
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[21:07:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: worth using SVN?
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[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: I always use SVN, so I pretty much always consider it worth it as I'm willing to live with stuff breaking :)
[21:08:00] sphing: ah
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: Cool, even changing channels on stuff off the slave backend is faster
[21:09:00] deigo: svn = ?
[21:09:00] deigo: and "browse mode" ins the osd?
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: latest/experimental code
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: SVN is similar to CVS
[21:09:00] sphing: development version
[21:09:00] deigo: ah
[21:09:00] deigo: im familiar with cvs
[21:09:00] deigo: and the browse mode in osd?
[21:09:00] laga: deigo: enter livetv, hit "m", choose "browse mode", see if it makes you happy, make it permanent in the settings.
[21:10:00] deigo: is there documentation for what else browse mode effects? as in, rewinding,etc.
[21:10:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: browsemode is just about changing channels
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: lts you scroll through the channels and see the channel names/show info before actually choosing to change
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: while still watching the current show
[21:11:00] deigo: ah
[21:12:00] deigo: but the several seconds to change channels is expected then, and can be somewhat remedied by xfs and the latest development code. that right?
[21:13:00] GreyFoxx: the delay seems to vary a lot depending on your partifcular setup, but yes a delay of a second or so is not unusualy
[21:13:00] deigo: pkill mythfrontend
[21:13:00] deigo: whoops
[21:13:00] deigo: p
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[21:14:00] deigo: you don't happen to know where the bottleneck is do you? (as in, cpu, file creation, etc)
[21:15:00] sphing: deigo: it depends
[21:15:00] sphing: in my case I'm using a PVR so the delay is the hardware encoding into mpeg
[21:16:00] laga: with your filesystem being extX, it's most likely the time it takes to delete the ringbuffer.
[21:16:00] laga: especially after you leave livetv running for a while
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: laga: stop spreading that crap. The ringbuffer is not deleted when changing channels :)
[21:16:00] sphing: laga, i doubt it, the more i learn about filesystems, deleting isnt synchronous
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: but yes it's deleted when closing livetv
[21:16:00] laga: GreyFoxx: what?! really?
[21:17:00] Juski: there'll be people who moan about that you know
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Myth seeks to the start of the ringbuffer and keeps going, no deletion
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: but even that isn't true in svn anymore :)
[21:17:00] laga: GreyFoxx: thanks. i've heard it a lot of times that the ringbuffer gets deleted when you change channels
[21:17:00] Juski: ooo
[21:17:00] sphing: it doesnt matter deltes arent synchronous
[21:18:00] Juski: it may as well be deleted in the current release though
[21:18:00] laga: GreyFoxx: are we talking about 0.18.1?
[21:19:00] GreyFoxx: laga: 0.18 and svn up until the livetv rewrite
[21:19:00] Juski: that bloody theme of mine.. I stuffed it into minimyth & not all of the graphics are there & I don't know why
[21:19:00] laga: GreyFoxx: thanks. i really need to read up on -dev then
[21:20:00] sphing: i/me goes to sign up for the dev
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: and now you can hit record in livetv and it will save the entire show as far back as it goes in the buffer
[21:20:00] squeegy: GreyFoxx: awesome to hear all that
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[21:20:00] Juski: ahhh sheeet
[21:21:00] sphing: yea thats nice
[21:21:00] Juski: minimyth uses unofficial pluglins :/
[21:21:00] laga: bad minimyth
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[21:22:00] Juski: apart from that, I can't figure out why the line graphic for the file selector in mythmusic isn't there either
[21:22:00] PC-Doc: Could someone help me with a problem?
[21:22:00] Juski: I presume that's been fine for everyone who tried it
[21:22:00] deigo: browse mode is pretty useful, how do you make it permanent
[21:23:00] deigo: and is the svn stable enough to use?
[21:23:00] Juski: deigo: utils/settings tv settings
[21:23:00] laga: night.
[21:24:00] Juski: night laga
[21:24:00] deigo: how long do you all expect (and i realize this isn't the dev channel) before the livetv re-written code is merged onto the stable code tree?
[21:24:00] deigo: i want to wait less, but i also don't want to take my working system and turn it into a non-working one, all i have left right now is getting the lirc working
[21:25:00] deigo: thanks Juski, i just did it
[21:26:00] Captain_Murdoch: LiveTV was reenabled in SVN the other day, but it may still have a few bugs, but is usable.
[21:27:00] otwin: Juski: what graphics are you missing in minimyth?
[21:27:00] PC-Doc: I am having trouble geting my mythbox to preset to channel 3. I have changed the settings in mythtv-setup to preset to 3 and starting channel to 3 but when I restart it is on channel 4. Any ideas?
[21:27:00] \Grooby\_: Hey guys, PC-Doc has his mythtv hooked up to his cable box
[21:27:00] \Grooby\_: maybe someone can help him out w/ his problem?
[21:27:00] PC-Doc: thks Grooby
[21:27:00] Juski: otwin: I used mkcramfs to put my new theme into it
[21:28:00] otwin: mee too
[21:28:00] sphing: PC-Doc: set it to channel 4...
[21:28:00] Juski: the lines used in the file selector for mythmusic.. that file isn't seen
[21:28:00] sphing: and see if it moves to channel 5
[21:28:00] PC-Doc: Tried that and it still stays on 4
[21:28:00] Juski: mm_box.png I called it
[21:29:00] sphing: PC-Doc: you know that it keeps the last channel you watch
[21:29:00] Juski: it's there in the fs, otwin
[21:29:00] sphing: so if you leave it on 4, it'll stay on 4, move it to 3, then restart live tv
[21:30:00] PC-Doc: Well it is going through my cable box so I my mythtv box is changing the cable box channels not my tuner card channels
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[21:31:00] forx: i got kicked when i pased in #flood
[21:31:00] forx: anyhow...
[21:31:00] sphing: PC-Doc: .... does myth change your channels at al?
[21:31:00] forx: the noteable lines are ... AVS: File is too big, aborting...
[21:32:00] PC-Doc: I have it set to change the channels through my cable box. So when I change channels I can see my cable box change but since my tuner card is on 4 I just see static
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[21:32:00] ** qfour20 is having some trouble getting mythtv to work with sound. I have a PVR250 and a SBLive in the same box... any idea what I should set in mythsetup for these devices? **
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[21:33:00] Juski: otwin: could it have anything to do with the rootfs being too big?
[21:33:00] otwin: Juski: ok i see
[21:33:00] qfour20: specifically, how do i tell mythtv to pull sound from the pvr250 card
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[21:33:00] Juski: or maybe a permission issue that isn't affecting my other frontend
[21:34:00] otwin: Juski: have no idea – would weird if it is a size limitation
[21:34:00] GreyFoxx: qfour20: You don't. It automatically comes in the mpeg stream from that card
[21:34:00] otwin: then it wouldn't be the same here
[21:34:00] qfour20: hmmm... so it should be configured somewhere in mythsetup, then?
[21:35:00] otwin: perms look ok
[21:35:00] GreyFoxx: qfour20: It's not told anywhere. If you configure the card properly (as a PVR x50 mpeg encoder and not a V4L device) the audio will come right from the mpeg
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[21:35:00] GreyFoxx: You can however tell it the default volume to record and the bitrate and such
[21:36:00] deigo: you can only modify the output device, generally you loop the sound from the hauppauge card to your input on the sound card
[21:36:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: Not with the pvr cards. but you do that with the older bttv/software cards
[21:36:00] deigo: im pretty sure you have too
[21:36:00] Juski: otwin which version of minimyth are you using? I'm still on 0.18.1.2
[21:36:00] deigo: cause if not you have problems with dvd playback
[21:37:00] deigo: as dvd sound is sent to the sound card
[21:37:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: ONLY if you are using apvr 350 for output
[21:37:00] Juski: otwin: it works just fine so I see no need to upgrade ;)
[21:37:00] comics: Hi every one
[21:37:00] deigo: i have a pvr350
[21:37:00] comics: probelm here running myth-tv? who wants to help?
[21:38:00] Juski: comics: depends on the problem
[21:38:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: And even then it's only cause the dvd playing software don't properly support outputting through the 350's decoder
[21:38:00] deigo: comics: ask your question and youll most likely be helped
[21:38:00] ** deigo shrugs. **
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[21:39:00] otwin: Juski: i'm using 0.18.1.8
[21:39:00] deigo: i consider everything thats happening to me to be unique, ive had WAY more problems than i expected to begin with
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[21:39:00] comics: I can't manage getting sound in livetv
[21:40:00] GreyFoxx: deigo: Hehe.
[21:40:00] deigo: (although most had nothing at all to do with myth, but its prerequisites like the kernel and ivtv and ivtv-fb and i still can't get lirc working
[21:40:00] qfour20: hmmmm went through mythsetup and made sure that i selected PVRx50 card, and the video device as /dev/video1... still no sound
[21:40:00] comics: running 0.18.1–5
[21:41:00] GreyFoxx: qfour20: you sure it's not video0 ?
[21:41:00] deigo: can you believe my kernel will randomly oops if i don't add some line about the min_free_kbytes of the virtual machines memory
[21:41:00] qfour20: i'm getting video from it
[21:41:00] qfour20: i can try video0 instead, though
[21:42:00] qfour20: nope... same thing
[21:43:00] qfour20: the pvr250 uses the snd-bt87x kernel module for sound, right?
[21:43:00] GreyFoxx: no
[21:43:00] GreyFoxx: no bt modules at all
[21:43:00] qfour20: oh.. ok
[21:43:00] \Grooby\_: hey guys...how do I merge the zap2it OTA channel and the DVB channels scanned for my HD3k?
[21:43:00] \Grooby\_: or do I need to do that?
[21:44:00] Juski: hahahaha I've managed to fsck minimyth coz it uses unofficial plugins
[21:44:00] Juski: git!
[21:45:00] qfour20: GreyFoxx, i'm using svideo in, btw... would that affect how i get sound?
[21:45:00] comics: here no sound with pinacle card with saa7134 chip
[21:45:00] GreyFoxx: qfour20: And you have the audio cables connected as well?
[21:45:00] qfour20: yes
[21:46:00] qfour20: audio from the tuner box into the back of the pvr250
[21:46:00] comics: xawtv and others work fine
[21:46:00] qfour20: just a sec... let me verify that
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[21:46:00] GreyFoxx: qfour20: then it should be fine. At one point there is/was a conflicting msp3400 module that comes from the ivtv drivers. If the wrong one gets loaded it could cause lack of sound problems
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[21:48:00] qfour20: hmmm.... there was a msp3400 module loaded
[21:48:00] qfour20: rmmod took it out
[21:48:00] GreyFoxx: there should be one, the trick is making sure it's the right one :)
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[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: rename or remove the kernel supplied one and then reload
[21:51:00] otwin: Juski: did you fsck rootfs? and did it help?
[21:51:00] Juski: fsck rootfs?
[21:51:00] Juski: that's a new one on me
[21:53:00] deigo: fsck = filesystem check
[21:53:00] otwin:
[21:54:00] deigo: i think you meant you said fuck it to minimyth and he thought you were actually doing a fsck
[21:54:00] qfour20: ok... looks like it's *output* related
[21:54:00] otwin: :-)
[21:54:00] Juski: lol
[21:54:00] Juski: otwin: are you suggesting I _do_ fsck it.. would it help?
[21:55:00] otwin: i did it – rebooting
[21:58:00] otwin: it does not help :-(
[21:58:00] comics: haven't you get the same problem ; no sound in LiveTV?
[21:59:00] Juski: no sound in livetv, with what hardware?
[21:59:00] otwin: my livetv is fine
[22:00:00] otwin: ok – gotta go, let me know if you find a solution, juski
[22:00:00] Juski: otwin: is the bar missing there?
[22:01:00] otwin: in mythmusic – you mean the bar that selects songs? it's there. but not the box.
[22:01:00] Juski: ahhh the box is missing here too
[22:03:00] comics: pinnacle card with saa7134 chip
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[22:03:00] comics: I know it doesn't mean anythinh but xawtx works fine
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[22:12:00] Dagmar: comics: It means we know you've got your drivers installed properly
[22:14:00] poop: woo, 6200ch.ch works
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[22:16:00] comics: Dagmar: and what about mythtv itself
[22:16:00] Dagmar: FRom there almost everything that matters happens when you define the card in mythtv-setup
[22:17:00] Dagmar: What problem are you having, exctly?
[22:17:00] comics: launch watch Tv from the frontend; get image but no sound
[22:18:00] pridkett: anyone got a good recommendation for a socket 939 board? Mine gets nasty electro-magnetic interference.
[22:18:00] Dagmar: comics: Going through the list of possible things in my head, there are separate volume settings in the frontend
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[22:18:00] Dagmar: comica: One or the other is probably set to zero... have you seen the controls I'm referring to?
[22:19:00] comics: 've tried either with oss and ALSA with no result
[22:19:00] Dagmar: pridkett: Weirdly enough, the ASRock 939dual-SATA2 board I just got is rocking large
[22:19:00] Dagmar: comcics: Umm... normally, you just want to use ALSA, period.
[22:19:00] Dagmar: comics: But there are two volume sliders buried under the frontend setup
[22:20:00] pridkett: Dagmar: you've had good luck with it?
[22:21:00] Dagmar: pridkatt: The worst that I can say is that the board is a little newish. I had to get a bios newer than they rolled out in September for the board to handle my 3200+
[22:21:00] Dagmar: pridkattt: Once that was done, everything has been stable with it
[22:22:00] Dagmar: It has PCIx1, a few PCI slots, AGP8x and PCIe slots
[22:22:00] Dagmar: IDE and SATA
[22:22:00] pridkett: Dagmar: no EMI problems? Mine has problems with EMI when under heavy load
[22:22:00] Dagmar: Kind of an ideal "gradual upgrade" board
[22:22:00] pridkett: (ie – my HD tuner returns static in heavy loads, my analog causes issues when watching and flagging)
[22:23:00] Dagmar: I'm not seeing anything like that
[22:23:00] comics: Dagmar: Master volume set to 70 and PCM to 100
[22:23:00] Dagmar: comics: Drat. I thought that might have been the cause
[22:23:00] Dagmar: pridkett: I've got a PVR-500 in it
[22:23:00] pridkett: no firewire, I'll need a card for that
[22:23:00] comics: Dagmar: So waht are the correct settings??
[22:23:00] Dagmar: comics: "Anything higher than 5 or so"
[22:24:00] Dagmar: I mean you should be getting sound for what I know
[22:24:00] Dagmar: There's only one other thing it could be...
[22:24:00] Dagmar: Go into live TV, pull up the OSD, and maybe check to see if you've set the audio to SAP2 or somethingh
[22:24:00] comics: Dagmar: Yeah but I don't!
[22:24:00] pridkett: i'm just jaded because I just bought an MSI-k8n neo4 platinum board, which as everything and the kitchen sink. stupid emi
[22:24:00] Dagmar: comics: You've looked to be sure?
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[22:25:00] Dagmar: pridkett: That would be kinda annoying. You don't have it like, sharing an IRQ with other cards or something do you?
[22:26:00] comics: Dagmar: I don't get your idea ; sorry
[22:26:00] comics: SAP2 ?
[22:26:00] Dagmar: comics: TV stations broadcast more than one set of audio signals
[22:27:00] Dagmar: There's the main one and there's also usually one or two others. SAP (the first one, for Second Audio Program) will typically carry a simultaneous translation into Spanish around here
[22:27:00] Dagmar: The third one may or may not be dead silense
[22:27:00] pridkett: Dagmar: it's entirely a sign of EMI
[22:27:00] Dagmar: At this point I'd say it's worth finding that setting and flipping it around a bit to make sure it's not defaulting to the wrong thing
[22:27:00] Dagmar: pridkett: That's just crazy that you've got that much of it tho
[22:27:00] pridkett: Dagmar: there are other people who have had the same problem
[22:28:00] pridkett: it makes HD tuners essentially useless
[22:28:00] Dagmar: The worst EMI I see here is when I leave my cell phone sitting on my speakers
[22:28:00] pridkett: I'm hoping that it's not a byproduct of the mobo
[22:28:00] pridkett: err...case
[22:28:00] Dagmar: pridkett: Go to the PVR HW database and check other models
[22:29:00] Dagmar: pridkett: Is the case made of radioactive materials?
[22:29:00] Dagmar: OH
[22:29:00] Dagmar: If you do decide to replace your case, there's something you gotta see
[22:29:00] comics: In the frontend It says opening oss device /dev/dsp
[22:29:00] Dagmar: That's normal
[22:30:00] comics: and a prebufering pause message comming every 15 sec??
[22:30:00] comics: but no sound
[22:30:00] pridkett: Dagmar: no, but it is an antec overture
[22:30:00] pridkett: which means the power supply is an unusual location
[22:30:00] Dagmar: Ugh that line is a great line
[22:31:00] pridkett: Dagmar: that's sarcasm?
[22:31:00] Dagmar: Unless you got a really sketch power supply it shouldn't much matter
[22:31:00] Dagmar: No, Antec makes nice cases
[22:31:00] comics: Dagmar: which line
[22:31:00] pridkett: it's a wonderful case, looks great in the entertainment center.
[22:31:00] Dagmar: comics: AntecOverture
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[22:32:00] poop: pridkett: What case?
[22:32:00] Dagmar: This is what I have: http://www.directron.com/knottyburl.html
[22:32:00] comics: Dagmar: no more idea to help?
[22:32:00] poop: Doesn't the Overture have problems with regular height pci cards?
[22:32:00] poop: I'm looking at a Silverstone case.
[22:33:00] Dagmar: comics: I've no more ideas
[22:33:00] Dagmar: comics; The prebuffering thing is significant, you should have mentioned it earlier
[22:33:00] ** poop watches athlon64 dog it **
[22:34:00] comics: Dagmar: ooh sorry :-)
[22:34:00] comics: Dagmar: Tell m e wht to do now plz, ready here!
[22:35:00] Dagmar: poop: The Antec isn't an HTPC case. It's an honest-to-god ala 1985 desktop case
[22:35:00] Dagmar: It's just exceptionally pimp
[22:35:00] pridkett: poop: Antec Overture 2
[22:35:00] pridkett: poop: regular size cards fit fine
[22:35:00] Dagmar: http://www.pcabusers.com/reviews/antec/overture/page1.html
[22:36:00] Dagmar: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15730
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[22:37:00] Dagmar: It's not that the power supply is in a "weird" place
[22:37:00] Dagmar: It's that the power supply is in a place you typically haven't seen in about a decade.  ;)
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[22:39:00] comics: pffff...
[22:39:00] Dagmar: comics: I just have *no* idea what triggers the audio buffering tho
[22:40:00] Dagmar: comics: Someone who *does* will be able to tell you probably right away why it's coming on
[22:40:00] Dagmar: My guess is that something the frontend is doing is making it look in the wrong place for sound
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[22:40:00] Dagmar: it's not reading any sound data, so it's buffering in hopes of catching up
[22:41:00] fatmatt: anyone know offhand what the name in the database is for the time offset, can't seem to find it
[22:42:00] Dagmar: I wade through the setup menus
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[22:42:00] fatmatt: think I need to put +1000 in there somewhere and mythtv-setup isn't easy to run on my backend
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[22:42:00] Dagmar: fatmatt: But you're yet another example of why I suspect if I were to write a simplified configurator as a CGI people would use it
[22:43:00] pridkett: yeah, it's really a GREAT case. Wonderfully put together
[22:43:00] fatmatt: web based would be v. nice,
[22:43:00] pridkett: more solid than anything that I've had before. Looks great in my entertainment center.
[22:43:00] fatmatt: yah
[22:43:00] Dagmar: fatmatt: This is going to sound silly, but if you're going to make a habit of accessing the database manually, you might as well just go ahead and dump a copy of eveyrthing but the channel listings to a text file you can grep
[22:43:00] Dagmar: It saves a lot fo time
[22:44:00] comics: Dagmar: fine
[22:44:00] Dagmar: pridkett: I saw one on display recently, I did a LOT of case shopping last month
[22:44:00] ** fatmatt tries NOT to make a habit of it... but when bastards change guide data and I need to switch providers... **
[22:45:00] comics: will try again tomorrow
[22:45:00] pridkett: goodbye msi k8n-neo4, this is the last football game your EMI shall ruin for me
[22:45:00] comics: thanx
[22:45:00] Dagmar: I've got that burlwood case stashed deep in my desk so it can't get scratched
[22:45:00] Dagmar: The only fuss I have about hte thing is that it doesn't have a heavy enamel layer on it
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[22:45:00] Dagmar: I'm going to fix that, but I can't do it in the middle of bloody freezing temperatures
[22:46:00] Dagmar: enameling indoors == fire hazard and it's too cold on the balcony
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[22:48:00] Dagmar: I would love to see what CaseArts are using to do these paintjobs tho
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[22:48:00] poop: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm
[22:48:00] Dagmar: That silverstone case costs a mint tho
[22:48:00] Dagmar: VERY nice looking result for the money
[22:49:00] poop: I think Ahanix is a bit cheaper. I don't want to go over $200.
[22:49:00] Dagmar: Ah but can you put an exceptionally uberpimp color display in the front of the other one
[22:50:00] Dagmar: If I were wanting to make an HTPC just to sell to someone rich for a solid markup, that Silverstone is the case I'd use
[22:52:00] Dagmar: It wouldn't be that hard to make it obvious to someone they're getting a chassis a coupld grand with that screen to enhance things
[22:53:00] psofa: anyone knows if theres something like the right click menu of xine-ui but on osd?
[22:55:00] dev-: stupid remote on the new frontend
[22:55:00] dev-: my remote no this working! it helps me!
[22:55:00] dev-: :)
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[22:57:00] dev-: ahh there we go
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[22:57:00] dev-: hehe.. see, just act like a crazy brazilian useing babblefish, and shit just magically starts working
[22:57:00] dev-: just needed to restart mythfrontend ;p
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[23:00:00] pridkett: yay for ordering new motherboard
[23:00:00] pridkett: die MSI die
[23:01:00] Dagmar: I never had a problem with my MSI-6712
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[23:02:00] pridkett: I've heard of other people with EMI problems on systems with the SiI 3114 raid controller
[23:03:00] pridkett: this would be a really good board, Firewire, dual gig-e, 8x SATA, PCI-E — that means EMI — so tuners doesn't work well.
[23:03:00] poop: I had to shop long and hard last year for a microATX athlon64 board that did firewire and of course linux doesn't work with it
[23:04:00] ** poop eyes pci card with distaste **
[23:04:00] poop: I need that slot.
[23:05:00] pridkett: yeah, I'll have all the slots in this ASROCK full with my PVR250, HD3000, and firewire
[23:05:00] pridkett: but that provides three tuners
[23:05:00] psofa: is there an osd menu for xine? for options/audio/subtitles?
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[23:07:00] poop: 6200ch.c works at least, still recompiling the myth debs for real firewire support
[23:08:00] pridkett: poop: I've got mythtv working with firewire on ubuntu, so it can be done. But that's self compiled for x86_64.
[23:08:00] poop: I should try x86_64 again (maybe next year)
[23:08:00] pridkett: the firewire is actually the only tuner not suceptible to this EMI problem
[23:10:00] poop: naturally :)
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[23:28:00] psofa: is weather module working for everyone? mine times out most of the time
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[23:31:00] Krazylegz: psofa: Mine works. Do you have an active Internet connection?
[23:32:00] psofa: ofc
[23:32:00] psofa: it craps out trying to get the radar map
[23:33:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[23:33:00] Krazylegz: Then for some reason it can't get to MSN, I believe.
[23:33:00] psofa: ???
[23:34:00] psofa: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/10096#10096 maybe i have the same prob?
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[23:35:00] Krazylegz: Not sure if that's what you're experiencing or not.
[23:35:00] Krazylegz: Yours is timing out?
[23:36:00] psofa: let me check to be sure
[23:36:00] psofa: 2005-11–21 04:40:33.824 HttpComms::Timeout for url: http://image.weather.com/looper/archive/europesat_600x405/1L.jpg
[23:36:00] psofa: 2005-11–21 04:40:33.841 HttpComms::done() – NetworkOperation Error on Finish: Request aborted (1): url: 'http://image.weather.com/looper/archive/europ . . . x405/1L.jpg'
[23:37:00] psofa: and keeps saying the same thing
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[23:41:00] psofa: will mythweather cvs work with regular mythtv?
[23:41:00] Krazylegz: Not sure.
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[23:48:00] IA-Outdoors: is there a bootable myth frontend? Something I could use in a laptop where I don't necessarily want to install linux permanently?
[23:48:00] poop: IA: knoppmyth
[23:48:00] IA-Outdoors: poop: so it can do both the back and front-ends?
[23:48:00] IA-Outdoors: and does it require diskspace to do it's work
[23:50:00] IA-Outdoors: nm, RTFM
[23:50:00] IA-Outdoors: says it does
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[23:57:00] poop: HD soo good
[23:57:00] poop: got firewire working
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[23:59:00] IA-Outdoors: anybody know why simply changing a theme would cause mythfrontend to start seg faulting?

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