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Friday, November 18th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] theguyhim: Is it possible to run a frontend on a PS2?
[00:02:00] simon_c: theguyhim: Don't think so.
[00:02:00] simon_c: Anyone about who can help me get the channes tuned on a DVB card ?
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[00:16:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: what's the problem
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: ?
[00:16:00] theguyhim: So is the ps2 just not capable of being a frontend or people just haven't tried it yet?
[00:16:00] Agrajag-: oh i just read up. well when you scan for channels, you gotta enter a valid frequency
[00:17:00] Agrajag-: did you do that? then the scan should find all your channels
[00:17:00] Agrajag-: theguyhim: check the -users archive im sure people have talked about that lots
[00:18:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Managed to get it working in the end.
[00:18:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: One site was saying to leave teh tuning settings to default (appart from frequency), but I found another that made some sugestions, that seemed to work.
[00:19:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Got a full channe list now anway :-) Just need to persude "watch live TV" to default to that tuner now.
[00:22:00] lightx: anyone know about the LiveTV giving me an error about failed to get pginfo
[00:22:00] lightx: im using the latest svn
[00:25:00] Beirdo: livetv is not working in svn right now last I heard
[00:25:00] lightx: right...
[00:26:00] lightx: whats a good program to watch live tv?
[00:27:00] Agrajag-: tvtime, xawtv
[00:29:00] lightx: for some reason, i cant figure out how to save the correct options
[00:30:00] lightx: always complain about no way to get: 384x288 32 bit TrueColor
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[00:35:00] theguyhim: Is there any advantage to having the Hauppauge 500 with digital cable?
[00:35:00] theguyhim: --> do I need 2 cable boxes for this to work?
[00:39:00] simon_c: Does anyone know how to change the default playback tuner and channel for the "watch live TV" option ?
[00:40:00] simon_c: And how do I fill my channel data for DVB channels ?
[00:42:00] simon_c: Hummm. Somehow, some channels have some info there now. And others don't. Should I be using mythfilldtabase for these channels ? Or do they pull the info from the DVB ?
[00:49:00] lightx: im using ivtv driver, what would a good program to watch livetv?
[00:52:00] mchou: wow! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5017396
[00:55:00] simon_c: Hummm. It seems the EPG data filters through automatically, if slowly over the air.. Good to know.
[00:55:00] simon_c: Well, it's late for me here.
[00:55:00] simon_c: catch you later.
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[01:54:00] MacApolloX: Hey
[01:54:00] MacApolloX: what are you running for hardware in your mythboxes?
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[02:01:00] MacApolloX: REGISTER
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[02:11:00] ITGEEKIO: Hey
[02:19:00] Krazylegz: Hello.
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[02:25:00] redline-: lo all
[02:26:00] redline-: anyone on that uses ledxmit to control an external cable box?
[02:27:00] redline-: I got change_shan.sh working from command line but within Mythtv it spits out a bunch of numbers and never changes the cahnnel
[02:27:00] redline-: that would be change_chan.sh
[02:28:00] ITGEEKIO: does anyone know how to redownload the programming guide data?
[02:34:00] Dagmar: mythfilldatabase
[02:34:00] ITGEEKIO: thanks man
[02:37:00] redline-: i think you also have to restart the backend after you mythfilldatabase?
[02:37:00] ITGEEKIO: ok
[02:38:00] Dagmar: Not necessary
[02:38:00] ITGEEKIO: yeah the times were wrong because some how my bios got reset so yeah no i have to download it all agian
[02:38:00] redline-: you have ntp installed?
[02:38:00] ITGEEKIO: ntp?
[02:38:00] redline-: network time protocol
[02:38:00] ITGEEKIO: oh i don't know
[02:39:00] redline-: ntpd
[02:39:00] redline-: that will adjust you clock to the settings oyu choose when you boot.
[02:40:00] redline-: I am so close to perfecting my myth box
[02:40:00] redline-: I just need to get my sound quality better and picture qual up
[02:40:00] ITGEEKIO: yeah hmm
[02:41:00] redline-: along with changing chans from myth
[02:41:00] ITGEEKIO: what's wrong with the quality?
[02:41:00] ITGEEKIO: grainy?
[02:41:00] redline-: its only good
[02:41:00] redline-: alittle gariny
[02:41:00] redline-: using ivtv drivers
[02:41:00] ITGEEKIO: what card are you running?
[02:42:00] redline-: pvr500 mce
[02:45:00] NightMonkey: Howdy, folks. I just upgraded to ivtv-0.4.0 (kernel 2.6.14), and have been reading about a few people's problems with FF/REW. While I haven't sat down to watch TV in a few days, I wondered if this problem is widespread? Should I expect to see this problem?
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[02:45:00] redline-: are there any optional codec out there or do you have to use the one built into the ivtv driver?
[02:45:00] PITABoy: i am useing the ivtv driver but i dont have a /dev/video0
[02:46:00] PITABoy: any help
[02:46:00] redline-: NightMonkey: i had to drop back to 3.8 because of tearing in the picture
[02:46:00] NightMonkey: redline-: On recordings, or playback?
[02:46:00] redline-: tv
[02:46:00] redline-: not sure if it was on recordings or not
[02:46:00] redline-: it would be fine for a little bit and after a few channel changes it would start tearing on the top
[02:47:00] NightMonkey: Any success stories? Or is everyone using 0.3.8?
[02:47:00] redline-: PITABoy do you have a /dev/v4l/0 ?
[02:47:00] PITABoy: i had 4.0
[02:47:00] PITABoy: no
[02:47:00] NightMonkey: It seems strange that there wouldn't be a followup bug-fix from the ivtv folks – they seem very responsive.
[02:48:00] NightMonkey: And the ivtv mailing lists don't reflect a user revolt...
[02:48:00] NightMonkey: But they are often low-traffic.
[02:48:00] redline-: it could just be the way I had it setup I am not very savvy when it comes to keeping dependencies updated
[02:48:00] NightMonkey: redline-: What PVR card do you have?
[02:49:00] redline-: pvr 500 mce
[02:49:00] PITABoy: are there ivtv forums
[02:49:00] redline-: i gotta look into knoppmyth they have it setup very niceley
[02:49:00] redline-: PITA read the topic
[02:49:00] redline-: there is a link to the wiki
[02:50:00] NightMonkey: PITABoy: No, just mailing lists, AFAIK. But they are collected at Gossamer.
[02:50:00] NightMonkey: PITABoy: Ah, yes, and there is a wiki.
[02:50:00] PITABoy: which sucks no offence
[02:50:00] NightMonkey: PITABoy: It does? I like MediaWiki.
[02:51:00] PITABoy: the wiki program is ok but there is no info in it
[02:51:00] redline-: PITA do you have the output of dmesg?
[02:51:00] NightMonkey: PITABoy: Yes, it is bare. But you could help move stuff from their old wiki ;).
[02:52:00] redline-: make sure your driver is loading on boot
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[02:55:00] redline-: Night do you use ledxmit/lirc?
[02:57:00] NightMonkey: redline-: Just LIRC, for the PVR remote.
[02:58:00] NightMonkey: redline-: I have a MyBlaster serial to handle my cable box – no lirc needed.
[02:58:00] NightMonkey: Er, I mean, my sat box – no cable :)
[03:03:00] redline-: i just got lirc working with a homebrew transmitter and it works fine with the change_chan.sh command from prompt but gets crazy when called from myth
[03:04:00] NightMonkey: redline-: How does it get crazy? What symptoms?
[03:04:00] redline-: just spits out seemingly random numbers
[03:04:00] redline-: but works perfectly from the command line
[03:04:00] NightMonkey: redline-: Truly random, or just, say, the first digit?
[03:05:00] redline-: if i change the chan to 124 then it spits 32453
[03:05:00] redline-: its like 5 digits
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[03:05:00] joel: Greetings
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[03:06:00] redline-: hello
[03:06:00] joel: How fast should switching between the screens be??
[03:06:00] redline-: wondering if it has to do with this line " for digit in $(echo $1 | sed -e 's/./& /g'); do "
[03:06:00] NightMonkey: redline-: Weird. Never does that when you say "change_chan.sh 124" or similar, huh?
[03:06:00] joel: I mean going from the schedule of TV listings, back to the main menu, etc.
[03:07:00] redline-: well any channel i change to inside myth it will almost randomize the numbers atleast i think its randomized
[03:07:00] NightMonkey: joel: Depends on your hardware.
[03:07:00] joel: I have a pretty fast computer.
[03:07:00] NightMonkey: redline-: Same channel number, different sequence, right?
[03:07:00] joel: 1800 with 500 Megs RAM
[03:08:00] redline-: gonna test that theory now
[03:08:00] joel: It is actually faster than the one that I use as my desktop.
[03:08:00] NightMonkey: joel: What's your TV-OUT?
[03:08:00] joel: I am completly new at this.
[03:08:00] joel: I went through some of the settings.
[03:08:00] NightMonkey: joel: What's your TV-OUT?
[03:08:00] joel: And it is pointed to /dev/video16
[03:08:00] NightMonkey: joel: What card, sorry.
[03:09:00] joel: Oh Huampage 350
[03:10:00] NightMonkey: joel: I have that, too, with a 1600. I see some delays on EPG, but, with ivtv 0.4.0, OSD is very quick.
[03:10:00] joel: EPG, OSD??
[03:11:00] NightMonkey: joel: Electronic(?) Program Guide, On Screen Display (menus, position, and such).
[03:11:00] joel: I am using Fedora 4 , trying to use the documentation from the Fedora documentation that goes with it.
[03:11:00] joel: What OS are you using NM?
[03:11:00] NightMonkey: joel: You don't want to know. ;)
[03:11:00] NightMonkey: joel: Gentoo.
[03:11:00] joel: Crap.
[03:12:00] joel: I ditched that, because I didn't want to recompile everything.
[03:12:00] NightMonkey: joel: However, I hear Jarod's guide is great for Fedora.
[03:12:00] joel: That is the one that I am going through.
[03:12:00] joel: And I am stuck setting up the ivtv stuff
[03:13:00] joel: (in addition to figuring out why switching back and forth is slow)
[03:13:00] NightMonkey: joel: You might change the setting on the redering of the program guide to "Less CPU".
[03:13:00] NightMonkey: joel: Now, are you saying that changing channels in LiveTV is slow?
[03:13:00] joel: myth-setup?? or in the Setup settings??
[03:14:00] NightMonkey: joel: hang on, let me find the correct place. One sec.
[03:14:00] joel: No, Changing Menus. LIke going from the main menu to something that interacts with the video stuff.
[03:15:00] NightMonkey: joel: Oh. Like when you bring up program listings?
[03:15:00] NightMonkey: joel: Like, Recorded Programs?
[03:15:00] joel: Going to "Watch TV", Going to the TV SChedule.
[03:15:00] joel: Clicking on ESC to exit.
[03:15:00] NightMonkey: joel: How slow? Seconds, minutes?
[03:16:00] NightMonkey: hours ;)?
[03:16:00] redline-: wow interesting, all channels above 126 work fine
[03:16:00] joel: 30 seconds maybe
[03:16:00] NightMonkey: joel: Well, it could be any number of things. What is the load on your box? Shell -> "uptime" will tell you.
[03:16:00] joel: NM where do I change the menu to low res
[03:17:00] joel: .13
[03:17:00] joel: piddly
[03:17:00] joel: I know it isn't doing anything.
[03:17:00] NightMonkey: joel: Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Prgram Guide
[03:18:00] joel: Yeah, I put it on Low
[03:18:00] redline-: hmm wonderwhat would casue that a standard channel change is 0–125 wonder if it has to do with the tuner
[03:18:00] NightMonkey: joel: And you are running mythfrontend locally? Not over a network?
[03:19:00] joel: locally
[03:19:00] joel: This whole computer is dedicated to Myth.
[03:19:00] NightMonkey: joel: Fast disks? Database healthy? Myth really relies on the database alot.
[03:20:00] NightMonkey: joel: Nothing in the logs indicating a problem?
[03:20:00] joel: I loaded the myth-suite that is in the Fedora Core repository
[03:20:00] markc: what database backend does mythtv use ?
[03:20:00] NightMonkey: markc: MySQL.
[03:20:00] Dagmar: mysql.
[03:20:00] markc: great
[03:20:00] joel: I haven't checked to see if the MySQL database is indexed properly.
[03:21:00] NightMonkey: joel: Anything in messages, mysqld.err, etc.?
[03:21:00] NightMonkey: Oh, GF back from work, bbiab.
[03:21:00] joel: I am assuming that the nightly cronjob is importing the XML files into the DB so it can do lookup on the db.
[03:21:00] joel: Is that correct?? or does it have to parse the XML files directly.
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[03:25:00] joel: If you try to record a show, Isn't supposed to start recording right then and there.
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: joel: the EPG data? It's stored directly into the datbase
[03:26:00] joel: Ok. Sec.
[03:26:00] Dagmar: Acutally it's nto cron. its' the backend that runs mythfilldatabase to uupdate the listings
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: Dagmar: It could be cron depending on your settings
[03:26:00] joel: right. where is it stored at.
[03:27:00] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: I would never set it up as a cron job when it's just a checkbox in the config. Too easy.  :)
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: Dagmar: It use to always be a cronjob, and many people still do it that way
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: Myself included
[03:27:00] joel: Dagmar, that is what the tutorial suggest that I was following.
[03:28:00] Dagmar: Ah... hopefully that will fade out now that the UI just lets you click your way into making it happen
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: I preferring mine as a cronjob, but to each their own
[03:29:00] joel: where does the UI do that.
[03:29:00] joel: I see where to download it. But I haven't found where you can set up the cronjob
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: Mythfrontend, settings, general 7th page
[03:30:00] Dagmar: "Somewhere" in the maze of setup stuff. Under General maybe
[03:31:00] joel: Oh, Ok. I see.
[03:31:00] joel: Ok.
[03:32:00] joel: So but where is the XML stored. in the DataBase??
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: the "xml" is deleted after it's processed
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: the processed program data is stored in the database
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: It would be horribly inefficient to processed xml over and over
[03:33:00] joel: Ok Ok
[03:33:00] joel: It is in program.
[03:33:00] joel: Do any of you use the Haupage 350
[03:33:00] ** GreyFoxx ponders ordering some food **
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: I used one briefly I had borrowed for afriend, but only for a weekend
[03:34:00] joel: I was able to hook it up to the TV and get the test page
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: Mostly to compare to my regular stuff
[03:34:00] joel: Do you use ivtv??
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[03:35:00] joel: I might have to go over to that channel, to get some more questions answered.
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: I have several pvr 250's
[03:35:00] Dagmar: I have no problems with ivtv now that I turned off the stuff it doens't like
[03:36:00] joel: What does your modprobe.conf say.
[03:36:00] joel: The fedora tutorial/ ivtv tutorial are conflicting.
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: Mine are empty
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: but I load the modules in a init script will all of the parameters
[03:37:00] redline-: GreyFoxx not sure if you can help but....
[03:37:00] joel: The ivtv tutorial says that the options in the modprobe.conf file should have:
[03:38:00] joel: options saa7127 enable_output=1 output_select=0
[03:38:00] redline-: I use ledxmit and a change_chan.sh script to change channels 0–125 get garbled numbers but 126–300 work fine
[03:38:00] redline-: all channels however work fine from a command line but only mess up in myth
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: redline-: It's been a long time since I used an external channel changer. And all of those channels were > 125 so I might not have run into that
[03:40:00] joel: GreyFoxx where is your init script kep at.
[03:40:00] redline-: thanks GreyFoxx
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: joel: On my harddrive ?
[03:40:00] ITGEEKIO: I couldn't get my database figured out so i'm just doing a fresh install
[03:41:00] joel: In the .mythrc file?? In the /etc/init/directory??
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: well the one that loads the ivtv stuff is /etc/rc.d/rc.ivtv
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: which is called from rc.pvr, which is called from rc.local :)
[03:42:00] joel: right. Ok
[03:42:00] joel: SO what should be working OUTSIDE of mythtv.
[03:42:00] joel: I was able to record a channel to a file.
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: You should be able to cat a mpg to the decoder and it should appear on your tv
[03:43:00] joel: And watch the file using mplayer.
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: I'm talking outside of X/myth
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[03:45:00] joel: The problem is:
[03:46:00] joel: What commands should I use to show the .mpg video to the TV??
[03:47:00] joel: I have the red,white,yellow, wires hooked up to the imput to the TV
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: cat file.mpg > /dev/video16 (I think video16 is the video decoder)
[03:47:00] joel: And I can do the text.
[03:47:00] joel: Ok sec. Let me try that.
[03:47:00] markc: anyone know of some 64bit debs that do not rely on libqt3c102-mt (ubuntu hoary maybe?)
[03:50:00] joel: I can hear the sound but no video.
[03:50:00] GreyFoxx: joel: Cables not connected properly ? Yellow is connected to the video input I assume ?:)
[03:51:00] joel: Let me check again.
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[03:53:00] joel: Yellow is "composite out"??
[03:54:00] GreyFoxx: the Yellow cable is a composite cable that is carrying the video signal, so it would plug into a video "input" on your tv
[03:55:00] joel: Yeah, it is setup correctly.
[03:55:00] joel: But still black screen with audio.
[03:55:00] joel: I was able to see the testlines before.
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[04:18:00] atomjack: anyone having problems with HD channel guide data not being filled in all of a sudden?
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[04:18:00] atomjack: all my HD channels say "NO DATA"
[04:19:00] atomjack: i even tried wiping out the guide data and pulling it down again but still, nothing there for HD channels
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[05:01:00] maino82: nightmonkey: whatre you burning?
[05:04:00] NightMonkey: maino82: Some shows I've recorded.
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[05:43:00] DanielHolth: Hello there. Having authentication troubles in Ubuntu.
[05:43:00] DanielHolth: Client doesn't support method
[05:43:00] DanielHolth: with mysql
[05:43:00] DanielHolth: help, must have television!
[05:43:00] DanielHolth: ;-)
[05:44:00] Agrajag-: can you ask a slightly more intelligent question please?
[05:45:00] DanielHolth: Oh
[05:45:00] DanielHolth: Well, in Ubuntu the QT MySQL library is not as new as MySQL, I think... anyway, MySQL supports multiple authentication methods, and it's asking the client to use one the client does not support.
[05:46:00] DanielHolth: So I need to tell MySQL to use a different authentication method.
[05:47:00] Agrajag-: hmm well check your /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[05:47:00] Agrajag-: what version o fmysql?
[05:47:00] DanielHolth: Or perhaps find a good repository for Ubuntu mythtv things
[05:47:00] DanielHolth: 4.1
[05:47:00] Agrajag-: what version of libqt3-mt-mysql ?
[05:47:00] Agrajag-: i have 4.1 and it works fine
[05:48:00] DanielHolth: good for you
[05:48:00] DanielHolth: Are you using the newest ubuntu?
[05:48:00] Agrajag-: nope debian
[05:48:00] DanielHolth: I remember having to downgroade my QT database library once before...
[05:49:00] Agrajag-: .. what version of libqt3-mt-mysql?
[05:49:00] DanielHolth: libqt3-mt-mysql 3.3.4–8ubuntu5
[05:50:00] Agrajag-: is that newest?
[05:50:00] DanielHolth: yes
[05:50:00] Agrajag-: what's the exact error you get?
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[05:51:00] khartoom: hi
[05:52:00] DanielHolth: Oh heck, I think I just need to recompile the sucka
[05:52:00] khartoom: is this the place where I can get help with a mythstream compile problem ?
[05:52:00] DanielHolth: tell me about mythstream
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: Mythstream is not really a official myth plugin
[05:53:00] DanielHolth: Too bad corporate didn't approve that sucka
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: so it's not a commonly used/seen app by most
[05:53:00] khartoom: hehe i also have a problem mythmusic not compiling
[05:53:00] khartoom: due to a problem with cdaudio
[05:54:00] khartoom: cannot find -lcdaudio
[05:55:00] khartoom: is the error i get
[05:55:00] khartoom: although it's installed
[05:57:00] khartoom: hello?
[05:58:00] GreyFoxx: check to ensure that libcdaudio is in your ld path.
[05:58:00] khartoom: it's there
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: ldconfig -v | grep libcdaudio shows it ?
[06:00:00] khartoom: ok i get a number of results
[06:01:00] khartoom: "libcdaudio.so.1 -> libcdaudio.so.1.0.0"
[06:01:00] GreyFoxx: should be finding it then
[06:02:00] khartoom: yes
[06:02:00] Chutt: you don't have the .so
[06:02:00] khartoom: it's there
[06:02:00] khartoom: sorry i just pasted the only result that was different
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[06:04:00] khartoom: i think it might be a version issue
[06:04:00] khartoom: "/usr/lib and /usr/lib64 have it
[06:05:00] khartoom: maybe i can elaborate, another part of the error states:
[06:05:00] khartoom: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libcdaudio.so when searching for -lcdaudio
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[06:06:00] Dagmar: OOoh
[06:06:00] Dagmar: You need to pass that thing -L/usr/lib64 then
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[06:06:00] Dagmar: ...and get a version of libcdaudio built for 64bit
[06:07:00] khartoom: i tihnk the version already installed is a 64bit version
[06:08:00] khartoom: i'm running suse9.3
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[06:09:00] khartoom: yup it is 64bit (just checked the installed package)
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[06:19:00] NightMonkey: Wow, the avidemux2 site main page is gone :(.
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[06:27:00] khartoom: odd yet very sweet, downloaded cdaudio src compiled and works
[06:27:00] khartoom: thanks alot folks
[06:27:00] khartoom: deceptive package installation
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[07:07:00] Skaface: hello
[07:08:00] Skaface: whats the minimum hardware that i could use for a frontend only which will show dvb
[07:08:00] Skaface: ?
[07:10:00] shiznix: 1GHz CPU, w/256MB RAM perhaps
[07:13:00] Skaface: hmm ok then
[07:14:00] Dagmar: Maybe less if you have a beefy video card
[07:18:00] Skaface: oh also another non important question
[07:18:00] Skaface: has anyone else had those bad huffman code errrors?
[07:18:00] Skaface: and the background image in the theme breaks up
[07:18:00] Skaface: and goes all over the place
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[07:55:00] Dagmar: Skaface: You *might* want to consider running memtest86 for a night
[07:56:00] Skaface: it happens on 2 different computers :)
[07:56:00] Dagmar: Then something is likely wrong with your binaries
[08:01:00] Rhamphoryncus: Skaface: are the computers of similar make, or purchased at a similar time?
[08:03:00] Skaface: one of them is a celron 300A and the other is a 1.8ghz athlon-xp
[08:03:00] Skaface: and nope the 300 doesnt work too well as a frontend... i might have to retire it to the bin
[08:04:00] Skaface: s3 video card in one, nvidia in the athlon
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[08:06:00] Dagmar: Ah you could probably use it as a backend if you have a PVR card
[08:06:00] Skaface: its got no hard drive :)
[08:07:00] Dagmar: Yeah, that could probably be a problem then. Make it a firewall.
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[08:07:00] Dagmar: Is your Athlon the 1500Mhz core or the 1200Mhz core model?
[08:07:00] Skaface: 1500
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[08:07:00] Dagmar: Excellent.
[08:07:00] Dagmar: You can easily run the frontend and the backend on that machine alone if you have a PVR card.
[08:08:00] Dagmar: Whose binaries are you using?
[08:08:00] Dagmar: ...and were you trying to use XvMC for output?
[08:08:00] Skaface: the actual backend computer is a athlon 2800
[08:08:00] Skaface: which is a frontend as well
[08:08:00] Dagmar: Ah
[08:08:00] Skaface: and the background displays fine on that one
[08:09:00] Dagmar: ...but *whose* binaries are you using?
[08:09:00] Skaface: i compiled it myself
[08:09:00] Dagmar: Okay, no big deal there. (I am not a compiler bigot mind you)
[08:09:00] Dagmar: What distro base are you using?
[08:09:00] Skaface: debian testing
[08:09:00] Chutt: corrupt file, bad harddrive, or bad ram.
[08:10:00] Dagmar: I was thinking bad ram.
[08:10:00] Dagmar: originally anyway... but he's got two machines that are doing it
[08:10:00] Chutt: but sounds like he's using the same file (ie, no harddrive)
[08:10:00] Dagmar: If memtest86 doesn't call foul (you should download it and keep an ISO or floppy handy since you have 3 machines)...
[08:11:00] Dagmar: ...then I got no idea
[08:11:00] Chutt: memtest86 doesn't always show problems, though
[08:11:00] Dagmar: Skaface: You using SVN or 0.18.x release?
[08:11:00] Chutt: jpg decoding being broken isn't part of myth.
[08:11:00] Chutt: :p
[08:11:00] Delemas: mmm myth SVN is yummy 8o)
[08:12:00] Skaface: 18.1
[08:13:00] Dagmar: Chutt: I can't think of a way Debian could have broken libjpeg, unless they're merging in those jpeg-mmx accellerations
[08:13:00] Chutt: they pretty much can't have
[08:13:00] Chutt: lots of other stuff would be broken, too
[08:14:00] Delemas: Anyone use opera with mythweb? It gets a couple of type errors I'd like to figure out. I'm still rusty on some of the javascript...
[08:14:00] Chutt: and i'm sure it would have been noticed
[08:15:00] Dagmar: Skaface: Is there something explcitly telling you it's encountering huffman errors?
[08:15:00] Skaface: but the thing is on the 2800 im running debian testing as well
[08:15:00] Skaface: they have all been updated today, they are all identical
[08:15:00] Chutt: it's a corrupt file
[08:15:00] Chutt: caused by bad ram / harddrive / etc
[08:15:00] Skaface: i copied the source code from the 1800 onto the 2800
[08:16:00] Skaface: and compiled them both seperately
[08:16:00] Chutt: so?
[08:16:00] Chutt: what's the source have to do with a jpg it's displaying?
[08:16:00] Skaface: and i compiled another one on the 2800 which runs on the 300a
[08:16:00] Dagmar: Skaface: You need to download memtest86
[08:16:00] Dagmar: It's like a Mb.
[08:16:00] Skaface: haha ok
[08:16:00] Dagmar: Get the ISO image or the floppy image, maybe both if you like.
[08:17:00] Dagmar: Just boot it on the hardware--it knows what to do. Let it run all night (which is about what it takes if you have a lot of RAM0
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[08:17:00] Chutt: and if it doesn't find anything, that doesn't rule out bad ram :p
[08:17:00] Skaface: lol
[08:17:00] Dagmar: I've never had it miss bad ram by the second pass
[08:17:00] Chutt: i can run memtest86 for days on this machine, doesn't find anything
[08:18:00] Skaface: if it were bad ram, on both computers, why is the problem exactly the same? wouldnt that be like a massive fluke?
[08:18:00] Chutt: uh
[08:18:00] Chutt: you're storing the file on a single computer
[08:18:00] Chutt: no?
[08:18:00] Skaface: nope
[08:18:00] Chutt: since you said the one computer doesn't have a harddrive.
[08:18:00] Skaface: the 300 is booting off the 2800
[08:18:00] Skaface: the 1800 is standalone
[08:18:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[08:19:00] Dagmar: Skaface: It's more likely that due to the way RAM gets used that you may well just have some bad memory at the very high end on both machines
[08:19:00] Chutt: whatever's broken, it's not myth =)
[08:19:00] Delemas: Works well here 8o)
[08:19:00] Skaface: im not so sure about that :)
[08:19:00] Chutt: uh
[08:20:00] Chutt: it's displaying a jpg
[08:20:00] Dagmar: Just run memtest86 when you go to sleep tonight to rule out the possiblity
[08:20:00] Chutt: i didn't fucking write my own jpg decoder.
[08:20:00] Chutt: the file is fine in svn.
[08:20:00] Chutt: therefore, it's not myth.
[08:21:00] Dagmar: Skaface: That which handles the displaying of the jpg does not lie in Myth space
[08:21:00] Dagmar: Skaface: therefore you should be asking yourself, why isn't it happening to all *three* machines if they're so identical.
[08:21:00] Skaface: yeah
[08:21:00] Skaface: if i try displaying the jpeg using some other jpeg viewer
[08:21:00] Skaface: in theory it should be corrupt yeah?
[08:22:00] Skaface: if it uses the same librarys to decode it
[08:22:00] Dagmar: If the file is corrupt, *probably8
[08:22:00] ** Delemas nods **
[08:22:00] Skaface: dinner is ready, gotta run
[08:23:00] Dagmar: _blue: Offhand, you're doomed. ..but what are you compiling it on?
[08:23:00] Dagmar: wrong channel
[08:23:00] Chutt: doooomed
[08:26:00] otwin: Delemas: i'm using opera – never noticed a problem – using 0.18.1 though
[08:29:00] Delemas: I was using an older version, I just updated to an svn snapshot of the stable tree. Same deal. I haven't taken a close look into it yet. Here is one of typeerrors: http://pastebin.ca/29101
[08:30:00] Delemas: Obviously firefox and others are quite happy with that Javascript...
[08:31:00] otwin: what version of opera are you using?
[08:31:00] Delemas: Claims to be the latest one sec...
[08:32:00] Delemas: Opera/8.5 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en)
[08:32:00] otwin: i'm using 8.5/linux and never had a problem
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[08:33:00] Delemas: hmm I'll take a closer look. There must be something silly then...
[08:33:00] otwin: wait – opened javascript console in opera and there i see the message
[08:35:00] Delemas: aah good
[08:35:00] Delemas: well not so good but at least I'm not on glue 8op
[08:35:00] Delemas: For 3am I probably should be...
[08:35:00] otwin: but what 'feature' does not work? mouseover shows program info fine
[08:37:00] otwin: can't see any difference between opera/firefox
[08:39:00] Delemas: That error is mainly cosmetic as far as I can tell. The buttons borders are smaller than the icons here in opera. Other than filling the error log I haven't seem much else so far.
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[08:42:00] Delemas: I'd like to figure out what it is complaining about. *shrugs* probably best to look at it when I'm awake.
[08:44:00] otwin: :-)
[08:44:00] otwin: now i see – in FF the icons are rounded, not so in opera
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[09:01:00] juski: mornin'
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[09:14:00] Orfeous: hello everyone!
[09:14:00] Orfeous: good morning
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[09:51:00] tobo: how can i check i xine is using xvmc
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[10:18:00] Orfeous: cant get mythtv working :(
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[11:40:00] DCGrendel: anyone have experience with the SMK ir sensor included with the pvr150 mce kit?
[11:41:00] DCGrendel: i've got lirc-0.7.2 installed and lirc_mceusb loaded but its not being recognized
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[11:43:00] Orfeous: i even cant get mythtv installing :)
[11:44:00] DCGrendel: heh
[11:44:00] Orfeous: have problems to get my DVB-t card working under linux.
[11:45:00] Orfeous: ive installed "dvb-utils" and ran "dvbtune -m" then i got this message FD 2: fd_dvr DEMUX DEVICE: : No such file or directory
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[11:55:00] Orfeous: hmm..
[11:55:00] Orfeous: now i know why ;)
[11:56:00] Orfeous: i have no frontend in my kernel. the strange is that some guides tells me to answer yes to that support. but i dont have it in my config. very strange
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[12:01:00] fryfrog: Orfeous: may need to patch your kernel
[12:02:00] Orfeous: fryfrog: yes, i understand that but i cant find any patch to my version 2.6.14.2 only to 2.6.10
[12:02:00] fryfrog: oh, humm what card?
[12:03:00] fryfrog: in 2.6.14, my air2pc card's front end had been added
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[12:04:00] fryfrog: speaking of which, i need to boot into my new kernel :/
[12:05:00] Orfeous: Twinhan DVB-t
[12:05:00] Orfeous: maybe you can help me found a patch
[12:05:00] fryfrog: the guides for the card dont' point one out?
[12:05:00] DCGrendel: wtf
[12:05:00] DCGrendel: Nov 18 07:05:00 [kernel] lirc_mceusb[4]: out of memory (code=9)
[12:07:00] juski: Orfeous: you might need to compile your own kernel.. make sure all the dvb related features are enabled. I remember from yesterday your kernel is new enough & should already have the core code needed
[12:08:00] DCGrendel: can someone ls -l /dev/lirc* for me?
[12:10:00] Orfeous: juski: i have allready compile it
[12:11:00] juski: Orfeous: did you make sure V4L and DVB for V4L were included? Probably I2C bit bashing tooo
[12:11:00] Orfeous: Yes
[12:12:00] Orfeous: problem is that no frontend are loaded
[12:12:00] juski: did you build the dvb stuff as modules?
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[12:13:00] juski: in /dev/dvb you should have adapter0, and within that should be frontend0, dvr0, net0 IIRC
[12:13:00] Orfeous: yes, that is correct
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[12:16:00] juski: have you seen the DVB guide at http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html ?
[12:18:00] Orfeous: hmm.. not that guide but i have seen many others.
[12:19:00] Orfeous: my problem here is that i dont have any frontend in my kernel.
[12:19:00] Orfeous: 2.6.14.2
[12:19:00] Orfeous: and my card is Twinhan DVB-t
[12:20:00] juski: a kernel that new should already include dvb frontends
[12:21:00] juski: Orfeous: do you edit the config file yourself or use menuconfig?
[12:21:00] Orfeous: menuconfig
[12:21:00] Orfeous: i cand dcc the config..
[12:22:00] juski: er.. no you can't.. don't even go there :)
[12:22:00] DCGrendel: ok, finally got my mceremote to work i think
[12:22:00] Orfeous: why not?
[12:22:00] DCGrendel: anyone got a lircrc for a mceusb remote/
[12:23:00] juski: Orfeous: is the dvb stuff made as modules or built in?
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[12:23:00] Orfeous: module
[12:24:00] juski: cool
[12:24:00] juski: do modprobe -l and paste the output of that into a pastebin
[12:26:00] Orfeous: hmm..
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[12:26:00] DCGrendel: argh
[12:26:00] DCGrendel: lircd 0.7.2: could not open /dev/lirc
[12:26:00] DCGrendel: why is it doing this to me
[12:28:00] Orfeous: juski, soon i must compile kernel first :) in this kernel i have enables some of the options.. but in this new i have set all as modules..
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[12:56:00] bigslam: what would be the command to compile mythtv on a dual core machine?
[12:56:00] laga: make
[12:58:00] defy: lol
[12:59:00] Orfeous: hihi
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[15:16:00] toom: hi guys
[15:17:00] laga: hello toom
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[15:19:00] toom: i was wondering, when i click on mythvideo in the web interface, is there a way to update the filelist?
[15:19:00] toom: or does it have to be done by the frontend
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[15:30:00] toom: well.. it's not that important. i'll figure it out, eventually
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[15:46:00] toom: how am i supposed to run mythweather --configure, when there is no such binary?
[15:47:00] toom: actually, there is no such file
[15:49:00] Krazylegz: libmythweather.so
[15:49:00] Krazylegz: Though, you don't run that.
[15:49:00] Krazylegz: Which tutorial are you using?
[15:50:00] toom: i was reading http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-18.html
[15:50:00] toom: and now the README
[15:50:00] toom: I suppose it wants me to run the frontend
[15:51:00] Krazylegz: Interesting.
[15:51:00] Krazylegz: Maybe mythweather is an executable in .18.1, I don't know.
[15:51:00] toom: it's not
[15:51:00] toom: there is just the .so
[15:51:00] Krazylegz: Well, for your video list issue, you want to go to Setup->Video Manager and it will scan for your new stuff.
[15:51:00] toom: no executable
[15:52:00] toom: Krazylegz: so it's the frontend again..
[15:52:00] Krazylegz: Eh?
[15:52:00] toom: i don't really like to configure everything via the ffrontend
[15:52:00] toom: or which setup do you mean?
[15:52:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, frontend setup.
[15:52:00] Krazylegz: You'll have to do it each time you put a new video on the frontend anyway.
[15:53:00] toom: the frontend is in an other room
[15:53:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[15:53:00] Krazylegz: VNC?
[15:53:00] toom: ugh
[15:53:00] toom: no way
[15:53:00] toom: i'd rather use xforwarding
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[15:53:00] toom: but still, i think there should be another way
[15:53:00] PITABoy: tuner 3–0061: tuner type not set
[15:53:00] Krazylegz: Pick your poison.
[15:54:00] PITABoy: what do i do
[15:54:00] toom: i might have a look in the source and code something tiny that scans for new videos and mp3s
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[16:10:00] PITABoy: help
[16:19:00] PITABoy: anyone have ivtv 5.0 working
[16:21:00] laga: 5.0?
[16:24:00] Krazylegz: Fuenf.
[16:25:00] laga: Krazylegz: ja, danke ;)
[16:25:00] Krazylegz: Bitte.
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[16:28:00] kartom: hi folks
[16:29:00] kartom: anyone know where i can get help with mythstream?
[16:29:00] kartom: i understand it's not an official mythTV plugin
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[16:46:00] simon_c: Hi all. How can I change the default channel myth will start when you select "watch tv"
[16:47:00] laga: mythtv-setup. "starting channel"
[16:47:00] simon_c: Ahh. I thought that was on a per-tuner basis.
[16:47:00] GreyFoxx: It's configured per tuner
[16:48:00] simon_c: I want the staring channel to be on a different tuner to the one myth starts. as default
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think there is a way to specify that. Other than to mess around with card priorities and so on which I've never bothered with
[16:49:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Ahhh. OK.
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[16:49:00] simon_c: Any idea how I'd mess around with the card priorities ? Do you mean on the PCI bus ?
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: Or delete the cards and add them in a specific order. LiveTV always defaults to the last of the tuners I added to the system
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: No, in the myth database
[16:50:00] ** simon_c has just added a DVB-T card, which is much nicer than the crappy analogue card. **
[16:50:00] simon_c: ahh. It's defaulting to the first on my system.
[16:50:00] simon_c: lol
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[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: But you would have to experiment really. I've never really messed with it as I don't really use livetv
[16:50:00] ** simon_c heads of to snoop around the database some more. **
[16:50:00] simon_c: thanks.
[16:54:00] simon_c: grrrr. It is set to default ro the dvb card, but it isn't.
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[16:57:00] fryfrog: has anyone ever seen a motherboard that would not boot with 3 pci cards in it but does fine with 2?
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[16:57:00] bill2or3: is your powersupply big enough?
[16:58:00] fryfrog: 450W
[16:58:00] fryfrog: but it is driving 7 drives
[16:58:00] fryfrog: i doubt one *pci* tuner card is tipping it over the edge :/
[16:59:00] fryfrog: i should describne better, sec
[16:59:00] fryfrog: with 2 pci cards, it turns on fine *every* time
[16:59:00] fryfrog: with 3, it turns on about 1 in every 5
[17:00:00] fryfrog: i've tried warm resets, cold boots, unplugging and plugging in power...
[17:00:00] fryfrog: its odd what makes it *finally* boot with 3 cards in, usually a cold boot having been off a few seconds
[17:01:00] toom: see your health monitor
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[17:01:00] bill2or3: what if you unplug a few drives?
[17:01:00] fryfrog: i'll try that next time
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[17:10:00] webbnetsys: Greetings Guys
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[17:12:00] webbnetsys: Does anybody have problems trying to record a program??
[17:12:00] webbnetsys: I am trying to do a sample record.
[17:12:00] webbnetsys: It looks like it takes, but then it isn't saved in the SQL database
[17:13:00] webbnetsys: I am running Fedora Core with a JFS partition
[17:14:00] webbnetsys: Partition is up and running and the myth user can write to it.
[17:14:00] webbnetsys: Also it is specified in MythTV to put it at. Any solutions out there??
[17:17:00] simon_c: webbnetsys: Do you have the program guide information in there ?
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[17:25:00] webbnetsys: Simon, yes
[17:25:00] webbnetsys: I have tried going to schedule a recording by going through the schedule.
[17:26:00] webbnetsys: Going through Find, Going through Search.
[17:26:00] simon_c: don't know sorry. I'm no expert on myth
[17:26:00] webbnetsys: And then I finally get to the screen where you have to choose "Record this One Time" etc. I save...
[17:26:00] webbnetsys: It looks like it should be queued to record, but no dice..
[17:27:00] webbnetsys: simon_c, What are you a pro at?? I am having ivtv issues as well.
[17:27:00] whyz: hello... i recently moved /usr, /tmp, /var and /home to new partitions. Since then, many things in /dev have been strange. For example, i've had to alter permissions on all /dev/sound, mixer, videoXX and now lastly i changed permissons for /dev/fb/*. All that is well (i guess), but one morething happened.. i cannot get sound off the video capture anymore. Any clues to why?
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[17:27:00] webbnetsys: I worked with GreyFox last night a little bit.
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[17:28:00] whyz: mplayer just says "Audio: no audio", mythtv doesnt say anything
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[17:29:00] whyz: how do i fix this? the modules are loaded as they should
[17:29:00] rsdvd: Hi All.....does anyone know how to set the timezone in minimyth?
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[17:32:00] mchou: Wow, cisco to buy scientific atlanta.......
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[17:41:00] Beirdo: that could be a very bad thing for Sci-Atl users
[17:41:00] Beirdo: or a good thing
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[17:49:00] ITGEEKIO: What's up?
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[17:50:00] ITGEEKIO: what are some of your hardware setups?
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[18:07:00] ITGEEKIO: cheese
[18:07:00] ITGEEKIO: oops
[18:07:00] ITGEEKIO: how quiet are your home theater boxes
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[18:16:00] webbnetsys: Has anybody gotten mythtv web going?? I am loaded all the new RPMS following the Fedora install documentation and it looks like it isn't working. I am recieving the error message: User Notice at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 159:
[18:16:00] webbnetsys: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 15': Fatal Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 32:
[18:16:00] webbnetsys: Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running?
[18:16:00] webbnetsys: The system administrator has been notified and the problem will be remedied shortly.
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[18:21:00] Beirdo: sounds like your backend isn't running
[18:21:00] Beirdo: read the message :)
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[18:24:00] webbnetsys: Beirdo, the backend is running. No firewall to get in the way, etc.
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[18:25:00] Beirdo: well, then maybe the configuration of the Mysql stuff isn't done to point the mythweb to the server properly
[18:25:00] Beirdo: in the latest mythweb that's in .htaccess
[18:26:00] Beirdo: the older ones, in config/config.php or soemthing like that
[18:27:00] webbnetsys: I will check out the .htaccess file
[18:28:00] webbnetsys: But no, I do have the config/conf.php file that has all the mysql information in there. I also checked the client connection from there using mysql and it worked, so I really don't know what it is complaining about.
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[18:31:00] Beirdo: dopester... long time no see
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[18:33:00] deigo: is the 3 or so seconds it takes to change channels standard?
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[18:40:00] dopester: beirdo: yeah im still here :)
[18:40:00] dopester: got a d70s the other day and i love it
[18:40:00] Beirdo: coool
[18:40:00] Beirdo: I like my D70 ;)
[18:41:00] Beirdo: and my fiancee's :)
[18:42:00] sandos: haha
[18:42:00] Beirdo: the D70s is nice though
[18:43:00] dopester: they dont make the d70 anymore only the d70s
[18:43:00] dopester: at least thats what i was told
[18:43:00] Beirdo: i bought mine used :)
[18:43:00] Beirdo: way cheaper
[18:44:00] sandos: used? hmm I wouldnt buy a dslr used.. mechanical components =)
[18:44:00] Beirdo: it was still under warranty, the guy upgraded to a D70s (such a waste)
[18:46:00] sandos: ah
[18:46:00] dopester: yeah id upgrade to the d200 but its a tad pricey (and not available yet)
[18:46:00] sandos: Im worried as it is about my 300D which is only "supposed" to last for 10k images
[18:55:00] Beirdo: I'm sure it will last way longer than that
[18:55:00] Beirdo: what do they think will stop working?
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[19:16:00] |rt|: how do you guys hook up your myth to your HDTV?
[19:16:00] |rt|: I just got a new tv and was looking at using the PC input on it (dvi)
[19:19:00] xris: hdmi or dvi
[19:19:00] xris: or component
[19:19:00] xris: you probably need to get a dvi -> hdml adapter
[19:20:00] xris: s/hdml/hdmi/
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[19:20:00] laga: OT: what would i use to split a 1.4gb xvid-encoded avi file into two 700mb pieces?
[19:20:00] Beirdo: A katana
[19:21:00] ** laga chops Beirdo into little pieces and burns him to CD-R **
[19:21:00] kormoc: laga, a dvd?
[19:21:00] kormoc: :P
[19:22:00] laga: kormoc: haven't found the right DVD writer yet ;)
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[19:32:00] ille: laga: man split
[19:32:00] laga: ille: that will mess up the headers.
[19:32:00] ille: laga: but that will not play it just do a raw split
[19:33:00] laga: ille: right :)
[19:34:00] ille: laga: any tool like the divx-fix tool for linux?
[19:34:00] laga: ille: i don't know. i think i should just see what is used by dvd::rip.
[19:38:00] Beirdo: laga: I'm sure there are winblows tools for ya
[19:39:00] laga: Beirdo: i'm quite sure that i don't have windows :)
[19:39:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[19:47:00] ** Delemas scratches head. Does it make sense for mythtv's SVN revision numbers to increase with no log changes or diffs? **
[19:47:00] Delemas: I've checked out 7917 and I want a changelog or diff against 7907 so: cd mythtv; svn log --revision 7907:HEAD ?
[19:48:00] laga: Delemas: it's like with your free space in gmail ;)
[19:48:00] Delemas: huh?
[19:48:00] laga: Delemas: just kidding ;)
[19:48:00] Delemas: ah k
[19:50:00] |rt|: xris: sorry for the delay....the tv does have hdmi input but would dvi be better since the video card supports it natively?
[19:50:00] xris: hdmi *is* dvi
[19:50:00] |rt|: xris: hdmi has audio as well
[19:50:00] xris: hdmi == dvi + DRM
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[19:51:00] xris: ah, didn't know about audio
[19:51:00] |rt|: xris: yeah it's supposed to provide digital video and audio with one wire
[19:51:00] xris: anyway, afaik that's your option.. dvi -> hdmi adapter.. should just be a tiny thing to rearrange the wires.. no conversion or anything.
[19:51:00] |rt|: xris: but the tv does have dvi (pc input) as well
[19:52:00] xris: oh
[19:52:00] xris: then just use that
[19:52:00] xris: thought you said it didn't
[19:52:00] |rt|: xris: i was thinking about using that as I can get a dvi cable alot cheaper than hdmi
[19:52:00] |rt|: xris: would i need to set my xwindows resolution to 1080?
[19:52:00] |rt|: 1920x1080 i guess
[19:53:00] xris: video card should have options for that
[19:53:00] xris: not really sure
[19:53:00] xris: I don't have hdtv
[19:53:00] |rt|: yeah well first step i guess is to get a dvi cable and give it a try :)
[19:53:00] |rt|: the details tend to work themselves out
[19:58:00] |rt|: are there any analog hd capture cards for linux that work with myth?
[19:58:00] Beirdo: ?
[19:58:00] |rt|: i know there is the over the air cards
[19:58:00] Beirdo: analog HD?
[19:59:00] Beirdo: in exactly what format?
[19:59:00] |rt|: Beirdo: if i use component out of the digital cable box to the card
[19:59:00] Beirdo: never heard of a component capture card under Linux
[19:59:00] |rt|: well i think they exist but they are probably professional video i/o boards
[20:00:00] Beirdo: well, find the cards, then see if you can find drivers, I guess
[20:00:00] Beirdo: certainly out of the norm
[20:00:00] |rt|: yeah....well the professional video i/o boards aren't really affordable
[20:00:00] Delemas: apparently nothing changed. must be some kind of svn vs. cvs difference...
[20:01:00] Beirdo: well, if you want component capture, I bet you'll pay for it
[20:01:00] |rt|: looks like this question has been asked before on slashdot
[20:01:00] |rt|: http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/11/18/ . . . 37&tid=4
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[20:02:00] |rt|: Beirdo: we have some hardware to do it here at work on the windows side of things
[20:02:00] |rt|: Beirdo: but it's all pro stuff that requires dedicated raid arrays etc
[20:02:00] Beirdo: bet it wasn't cheap either
[20:02:00] |rt|: nope
[20:04:00] |rt|: what about the firewire support in myth....is that capable of HD?
[20:04:00] Beirdo: not sure
[20:04:00] |rt|: that may be the affordable solution if that works
[20:04:00] |rt|: not sure my cable box does firewire though....had hdmi and component i know
[20:05:00] fman: hwo about firewire input from dv cams
[20:05:00] fman: would be good to be able to get a copy from dv to hd/dvd automagically
[20:05:00] |rt|: fman: like a transcoding application
[20:05:00] fman: yep
[20:06:00] fman: I was using a sony dvd burner that does just that
[20:06:00] fman: will talk to the dv cam, rewind it etc make a dvd with chapters etc
[20:06:00] |rt|: ah nice
[20:06:00] fman: was very nice
[20:07:00] laga: i believe that the firewire support in mythtv is not suitable for use with dv cams
[20:08:00] Beirdo: we look forward to your patches :)
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[20:08:00] fman: sorry, me no coder
[20:08:00] fman: if only
[20:08:00] kormoc: fman, time to learn!
[20:09:00] fman: yeah right, got a 5 month old baby...he is keeping me busy in all my spare time
[20:09:00] Krazylegz: fman: Then just be a motivator, like me.
[20:09:00] Krazylegz: Go kormoc GO!!
[20:10:00] Krazylegz: Good work Beirdo, let's keep the ball rolling!
[20:10:00] Krazylegz: Etc.
[20:10:00] laga: Krazylegz: o_O
[20:11:00] Krazylegz: laga: Do you have those TPS reports for me? Thanks.
[20:11:00] Beirdo: I feel like playing Tetris
[20:15:00] laga: Beirdo: when i find some spare time, i'm going to learn free cell.
[20:15:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[20:20:00] |rt|: laga: once you master free cell you'll have to move on to minesweeper
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[20:21:00] laga: |rt|: maybe. but i really want to get my black belt in free cell first.
[20:26:00] ** |rt| once dreamed of being a free cell ninja **
[20:27:00] fryfrog: i logically get how minesweeper works... but i can't apply that knowledge
[20:27:00] laga: |rt|: that would rock. those guys really get the chicks
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[20:27:00] fryfrog: click, click, BOOM!
[20:27:00] fryfrog: thats every game of minesweeper i play :/
[20:27:00] laga: fryfrog: hehe.
[20:27:00] laga: i use a large field with less mines.
[20:27:00] fryfrog: wuss :)
[20:28:00] laga: i dont want to kill the poor smiley
[20:30:00] Beirdo: kaBOOM!
[20:32:00] laga: Beirdo: ubuntu ships with gnometris *g*
[20:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:32:00] Beirdo: I'm at work
[20:32:00] Beirdo: got winXP
[20:34:00] sphery: fryfrog: That answers a question I've always had... Now I know what that Saliva song is about... http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thefastandthef . . . lickboom.htm
[20:34:00] sphery: ;)
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[21:35:00] a1fa: GUYS
[21:35:00] a1fa: omG
[21:36:00] a1fa: i got a POS terminal..
[21:36:00] a1fa: touch screen
[21:36:00] a1fa: i want to control mythtv with it
[21:36:00] a1fa: besides the remote control.. i dont know if i should rune myth-frontend on it or use windows and vnc into my server?
[21:37:00] a1fa: POS-562 mobo
[21:37:00] a1fa: 233Mhz :P
[21:39:00] a1fa: http://support.elmark.com.pl/advantech/pdf/POS-562ds.pdf
[21:39:00] a1fa: specs here
[21:39:00] a1fa: 200mb of ram
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[21:44:00] maniacxs: is there a posibility to update videos in database (using mythvideo) with e.g.: a cron job ?
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[21:52:00] a1fa: anybody ::
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[22:06:00] kormoc: a1fa, likely it will be too slow for a frontend
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[22:18:00] haha: is it possible to use svideo to connect my tv to my computer?
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[22:18:00] bill2or3: probablly.
[22:18:00] pookSter: haha yes
[22:18:00] haha: ok next question
[22:19:00] pookSter: do you mean watch your computer on the tv
[22:19:00] pookSter: or watch the tv on the computer?
[22:19:00] haha: watch computer on the tv
[22:19:00] pookSter: ok
[22:19:00] pookSter: go on
[22:19:00] Juski: haha: tv outputs of graphics cards tend to be only useful for erm.. watching tv from the computer
[22:20:00] haha: ok well I only have 128 MB RAM on this machine that I will use
[22:20:00] Juski: next to no use for web browsing or anything like that
[22:20:00] haha: THANKS ALREADY GUYS
[22:20:00] pookSter: do you have component in connectors on your tv?
[22:20:00] Juski: haha: the xbox can run Linux, and that only has 64MB RAM.. and 32 of that is allocated to its graphics chip
[22:21:00] haha: ok well i was thinking later i would get an xbox frontend but just want to use the server for now
[22:21:00] haha: yes pookster
[22:22:00] haha: an svid in on the tv and an svid out on the graphics card
[22:22:00] haha: its a ti 4200
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[22:24:00] haha: does that sound ok to run myth as a server and frontend (ie one unit)?
[22:24:00] Juski: tv output might be pretty crappy depending on what tv encoder it uses
[22:24:00] Juski: best way to find out will be to try it
[22:24:00] Juski: 128MB RAM might be pushing your luck a little though
[22:25:00] pookSter: What I mean is does your tv have "component in" (3 rca connectors in a row red green blue) for video in
[22:26:00] haha: yes pookster
[22:26:00] haha: like 4 of them
[22:26:00] pookSter: well, I would go a different route then if your tv is High Def
[22:26:00] haha: and i was planning on getting more ram juski
[22:26:00] haha: its a wega crt
[22:26:00] haha: from sony
[22:27:00] pookSter: I would get a transcoder and output your video card to the transcoder, then go from the transcoder to your component in. That way you can get full HDTV res out of your box
[22:27:00] pookSter: If your tv supports 1080i or 720p
[22:27:00] haha: good brand to look at?
[22:27:00] haha: I am not sure on that
[22:27:00] haha: it isnt HD it is a tube
[22:28:00] pookSter: audio authority makes a nice one
[22:28:00] haha: newegg??
[22:28:00] pookSter: oh, then you prolly don't have component video
[22:28:00] pookSter: you better check the manual of the tv to see what video res it supports
[22:28:00] pookSter: you may be stuck with s video or composite in
[22:29:00] pookSter: composite video is not the same as component video
[22:29:00] haha: ok that can still be DVD quality though i assume since i can hook up ps2 and dvd players
[22:29:00] haha: right?
[22:29:00] pookSter: well, it depends if your tv has a progressive input or not
[22:30:00] pookSter: but it will look best as you will get out of the svideo
[22:30:00] pookSter: txt will suck
[22:30:00] haha: ok cool
[22:30:00] pookSter: but if you just want it for videos
[22:30:00] haha: yeah
[22:30:00] pookSter: that will be ok
[22:30:00] haha: ok
[22:30:00] haha: that will be great
[22:30:00] pookSter: don't plan on reading the credits after the movie though :)
[22:30:00] haha: do you use digital cable?
[22:31:00] haha: oh wow that sounds really bad
[22:31:00] pookSter: right now I am using an HD5000 ATSC high def tuner off an antenna
[22:31:00] haha: what does the xbox do to make it so much clearer
[22:31:00] pookSter: and a DVB-s satellite card and a Hauupauge 250 for analog tv
[22:32:00] haha: ok sounds like you know what you are talking about alright
[22:32:00] pookSter: I'm not familiar with what xbox uses. I might use an xbox 360 for my frontend if they can be hacked as they output HDTV now
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[22:33:00] pookSter: with the tv you have, I'm sure you will be happy with whatever you input it with. Its not over 40 inches is it?
[22:33:00] haha: so you think that when I record stuff off the hauppage card (maybe a 500) that the res will be so bad on playback that i cant read credits?
[22:33:00] haha: no its 27
[22:34:00] pookSter: well, no not the recording
[22:34:00] pookSter: the recording will be great, its wen you have to output it through svideo
[22:34:00] pookSter: but with 27 inches
[22:34:00] pookSter: it will be fine
[22:34:00] pookSter: On my TV it would really suck
[22:35:00] pookSter: the bigger you go, the more defects you will notice
[22:35:00] haha: well i was over at my buds with the same basic setup but he was using an xbox front end
[22:35:00] haha: it looked great
[22:35:00] haha: yeah i would imagine that
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[22:35:00] bill2or3: does the xbox FE work ok?
[22:35:00] pookSter: I think you will be really happy. The xbox can output more res than your tv sounds like it can handle
[22:36:00] haha: yes bill it works great
[22:36:00] haha: ok but i dont have an xbox for now
[22:36:00] haha: whatever its all learning experience for me
[22:37:00] haha: pookster, so let me ask you this and i'll leave you alone
[22:37:00] pookSter: me as well
[22:37:00] pookSter: I learn lots every day
[22:37:00] pookSter: read read read
[22:37:00] bill2or3: that'd be great, if you could do somehting about the noise.
[22:37:00] haha: is there any advantage to getting a 500 with digital cable?
[22:38:00] pookSter: what noise?
[22:38:00] pookSter: well first off
[22:38:00] haha: would i be able to take advantage of the 2 encoders
[22:38:00] pookSter: I don't think the 500 works on digital cable
[22:38:00] pookSter: you will have to get an HD5000 Airstar
[22:38:00] pookSter: it will work on the analoge ones
[22:39:00] pookSter: You also have to find out if you do have digital cable is if it is unencrypted cable or not
[22:39:00] pookSter: some providers encrypt it so you have to use their box
[22:40:00] haha: yeah i have to use their box
[22:40:00] Juski: hell.. first time in about 6 months I've had a monitor hooked up to my backend machine & I noticed X wouldn't start because the mouse wasn't plugged in *lol*
[22:40:00] pookSter: but then you can sometimes take an output from the digital cable box and convert it to analog, then into the 500
[22:40:00] pookSter: lol
[22:40:00] pookSter: ignorance is bliss Juski
[22:41:00] haha: pookster take a look at this
[22:41:00] haha: http://store.snapstream.com/btv-pvr150.html
[22:41:00] fman: anyone able to help me with the required command to run mame games inside the latest svn release?
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[22:44:00] pookSter: ok, so all they are doing there haha is taking an analog output out of the cable box and into the pvr150 OR I have heard some do it by firewire
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[22:44:00] pookSter: then the mythtv will control the cablebox with IR commands
[22:45:00] pookSter: What I did was got rid of the encrypted cable box, put up an antenna and I get lots of HD channels
[22:46:00] pookSter: Then got a satellite card for the stuff I can't get off the antenna
[22:46:00] haha: ah ha
[22:46:00] haha: ok
[22:46:00] bill2or3: what kind of satellite?
[22:47:00] pookSter: the closest HD station is 65 miles away and it comes in at 85–100% signal strength
[22:47:00] pookSter: Any satellite you want, they will tune them all
[22:47:00] kormoc: pookSter, that's not normal is it?
[22:47:00] haha: it looks like the only way having a 500 would be beneficial is if I used two boxes on it
[22:47:00] Juski: phew! all still works.. I love my linux boxes :)
[22:47:00] pookSter: whats not normal?
[22:48:00] kormoc: pookSter, the hd station so far away and so strong
[22:48:00] bill2or3: I mean, what kind of programming can you get with a pci satellite card, that's actually worth getting?
[22:48:00] bill2or3: none of them support a CAM, right?
[22:48:00] bill2or3: or are you in europe, with the fta stuff?
[22:48:00] pookSter: what surprised me so much is I can be pointed to a station in the west at 100% and turn the ant south and not suffer any degredation in the signal...its awsome
[22:48:00] pookSter: they support fta
[22:49:00] pookSter: dishnetwork fta
[22:49:00] bill2or3: whats on dish, in the clear?
[22:49:00] bill2or3: I was under the impression it was all crypted.
[22:49:00] pookSter: and you can also receive all the niagara2 encrypted stuff as well...but we don't talk about that there
[22:49:00] pookSter: *here
[22:49:00] bill2or3: heh
[22:49:00] kormoc: receiving isn't a issue... the decryption is...
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[22:50:00] pookSter: exactly
[22:50:00] pookSter: I would have it just for the nasa channel :)
[22:51:00] bill2or3: pookster, are you talking aobut your current setup, or someone elses, or some non-existant setup that you'd like to have someday?
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[22:51:00] pookSter: my current setup
[22:51:00] pookSter: I don't have it all in myth yet
[22:52:00] pookSter: I just got the sat card the other day and I am "testing " it in xp first to play with it as I don't know linux enough to troubleshoot heavily
[22:52:00] bill2or3: ahh
[22:52:00] bill2or3: what sat card did you get?
[22:52:00] pookSter: I got the starsat2
[22:52:00] pookSter: by tecnisat
[22:52:00] ** bill2or3 googles **
[22:52:00] pookSter: the same people who make the HD5000 card
[22:53:00] pookSter: but they all work the same
[22:53:00] pookSter: twinham is another popular one
[22:53:00] bill2or3: pook, dcc-chat me?
[22:53:00] pookSter: and they are only $69
[22:53:00] bill2or3: Mmm, ham.
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[22:54:00] bill2or3: I'd really like to find a list of what you can actually recieve FTA where I am.
[22:54:00] pookSter: hang on
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[22:54:00] pookSter: I'll get it for you
[22:55:00] bill2or3: because I'm intrigued, but dont wanna spend a few hundred bucks just to find out all I can get is the 700 Club.
[22:55:00] bill2or3: I've seen the list at lyngsat.
[22:55:00] pookSter: thats it
[22:56:00] pookSter: well, if you are not into the FTA hobby, a sat card isn't for you as the programming is not all that great
[22:56:00] pookSter: If you want to hack dish, then it is
[22:56:00] pookSter: its all up to what road you go down
[22:56:00] pookSter: but you won't find help here for it
[22:57:00] bill2or3: over at #fta huh?
[22:57:00] bill2or3: so is there anything worth getting that's not on Dish, but just in the clear?
[22:57:00] pookSter: I have had both an IRD for dish and a card for dish. I prefer the card as it is more "harty"
[22:58:00] pookSter: Nasa
[22:58:00] pookSter: Angel network :_
[22:58:00] bill2or3: I have directv allready..
[22:58:00] bill2or3: sounds jesusy.
[22:58:00] pookSter: Its not like the old days in fta where there were lots of wild feeds to hunt for
[22:59:00] pookSter: but, I might say this
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[23:00:00] pookSter: if you were subscribed to DIshnetwork leagally, and you just wanted to have a better interface for your tv than what they offer through mythtv, I would be able to sleep nights if I hacked the PCI card to receive what I was paying for
[23:00:00] pookSter: I know a lot fo guys doing that
[23:01:00] bill2or3: of course.
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[23:05:00] pookSter: kormoc What I like the best is not having to turn the antenna on some of the stronger ones. And most of the HD channels also had 2 SD or DT stations attached to them so for one station, you had 3 different programs
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[23:05:00] bill2or3: where can I read more about which satellite cards are good, etc?
[23:06:00] pookSter: google. dbs-s card
[23:06:00] pookSter: I don't have my bookmarks on this computer
[23:06:00] bill2or3: cool cool
[23:06:00] pookSter: I think dishnewbies.com will have something too
[23:06:00] bill2or3: I just go a HD3000, and the system it's going into arrived yesterday, so I'm just starting with myth
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[23:07:00] pookSter: well, I am going to put the HD5000 in myth probably this week if I get some problems ironed out
[23:07:00] pookSter: If it works as good as it does in windows, I will be impressed
[23:08:00] bill2or3: hd5000?
[23:08:00] bill2or3: somethine else from playtech?
[23:08:00] pookSter: it is from technisat
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[23:09:00] pookSter: http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?products_id=103
[23:09:00] pookSter: This guy was great to deal with
[23:09:00] pookSter: I ordered it and it was on my doorstep the next day
[23:09:00] bill2or3: ahh, pretty much the same deal as the hd3000 then
[23:10:00] pookSter: pretty much
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[23:10:00] bill2or3: the pchdtv people are local, so I got that.
[23:10:00] pookSter: I'm not sure if they have xp support for the 3000 yet, but it is coming
[23:10:00] pookSter: but who cares if you are going myth
[23:11:00] pookSter: I think it supports qam now
[23:14:00] bill2or3: I dont run windows anyway..
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[23:18:00] pookSter: here are basically 2 things different about dbv-s sat cards
[23:18:00] pookSter: some like the nexis have hardware to do all the heavy crunching
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[23:19:00] pookSter: the cheaper cards like the technisat and twinham use software, so you need at least a 1 GHz machine for them, whereas if you got one of the hardware cards you can get away with 500MHz
[23:21:00] bill2or3: gotcha.
[23:21:00] bill2or3: so probablly worth getting one that does it in hardware.
[23:21:00] bill2or3: whats the other difference?
[23:22:00] pookSter: depend on what computer your back end is
[23:22:00] pookSter: mine is an athlon64
[23:22:00] pookSter: so I went with the $69 card :)
[23:22:00] pookSter: the others I think are $200
[23:23:00] bill2or3: I got a athlon x2 3800+, should do ok.
[23:24:00] pookSter: probably not, but I would be willing out of the goodness of my heart to trade you my 3200 just to get you up and running
[23:26:00] bill2or3: well if you think it'd be for the best, how can I not?
[23:27:00] pookSter: :)
[23:27:00] pookSter: that should be one hell of a backend
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[23:28:00] bill2or3: well it'll be my desktop too.
[23:28:00] pookSter: I sure hope these XBox360s will be able to be hacked for a front end since they output in 1080i
[23:28:00] bill2or3: but I'm just running xterms and firefox, pretty much.
[23:28:00] pookSter: that is the plan for this box
[23:29:00] pookSter: I am just going to let it run with open office, firefox and thunderbird for the wife
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[23:29:00] pookSter: but I am having problems getting myth to work without removeing some of the plugins
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[23:30:00] pookSter: I still am getting seg faults because of some bug it has right now
[23:30:00] pookSter: I assume most who built a 64bit system on fedora C4 built it from source
[23:30:00] pookSter: as they don't have the same problem
[23:32:00] bill2or3: weak.
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