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Friday, November 11th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] jasta: xris: check this out...
[00:02:00] ** xris wonders how long jasta can hold his breath without typing. **
[00:02:00] jasta: :)
[00:02:00] jasta: http://www.devtcg.org/workstation-20051110.png
[00:02:00] jasta: err oh wait, kormoc was the one that was interested in this
[00:02:00] jasta: nevermind :P
[00:03:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:03:00] jasta: kormoc: I fixed up a lot of the MySQL formatting and generalized the hell out of the perl.vim support for it :)
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[00:03:00] jasta: introducing a perldbi.vim syntax that lets you select the SQL dialect and lots of other goodies.
[00:03:00] jasta: and highlights the DBI placeholders.
[00:04:00] ** kormoc nods **
[00:04:00] jasta: added syntax highlighting for the `...` strings.
[00:05:00] jasta: which are accepted by MySQL as of 3.something, but mysql.vim did not recognize.
[00:05:00] kormoc: nice
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[00:05:00] jasta: i also got this nice new vim color scheme that makes me think of penguins, and i wanted to show it off :)
[00:05:00] pookSter: howdy
[00:06:00] jasta: kormoc: I think it is appropriate for this to make its way into perl.vim upstream because the DBI is such an integral component for a lot of Perl application development.
[00:06:00] jasta: but ive gotta make a case to the Vim guys I think :)
[00:07:00] jasta: i think they'll be happy that i separated it, and conditionally include it.
[00:07:00] jasta: just like pod.vim
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[00:12:00] kormoc: jasta, Yeah, I agree, it's gonna be nice :)
[00:14:00] jasta: like my new colorscheme? :)
[00:14:00] jasta: i tinked with it all day :)
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[00:15:00] jasta: tinkered*
[00:16:00] illogic-al: muahah!
[00:16:00] kormoc: heh, the link you gave me isn't working
[00:16:00] illogic-al: i win.
[00:16:00] ** illogic-al goes bacl to Franz Ferdinand now. **
[00:17:00] illogic-al: thanks kormoc and FuDing
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[00:21:00] jasta: looking at perl source without syntax highlighting is impossible.
[00:21:00] jasta: and even with, it's not that easy :)
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[00:27:00] sw_bluntman: I know this isn't the Xine channel, but I hope someone can help. Using Xine as my player for recordings I get everything working fine. But when playing DVD's or ripped DVD videos the audio track sounds like a loud repetitive noise. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this?
[00:28:00] kormoc: your welcome illogic-al
[00:28:00] kormoc: jasta, yeah, should be really nice for a lot of folks
[00:33:00] Beirdo: argh
[00:33:00] Beirdo: rebuild my history file, bish
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[00:34:00] ** whiskers greets the room, hello room **
[00:36:00] whiskers: i got KnoppMyth to work, but it wont tv out to my tv when tv is running, i have a svideo cable to the tv, and a monitor plugged in, and the video card outputs to both the tv and the monitor (cloned) but as soon as the tv is on, the tv goes blank, and only the monitor shows the tv shows, what could be up?
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[00:40:00] that_weasel: Anyone using an AverTV card?
[00:40:00] that_weasel: my picture looks all scrambly and there is almost no sound....
[00:41:00] that_weasel: i'm thinking I have something mis-configured somewhere...
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[00:44:00] Kite-: has any tried using azureus on knoppmyth?
[00:45:00] Kite-: i just installed it and i kinda screwed up booting/loggin in
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[00:46:00] that_weasel: azureus screwed up booting/login?
[00:46:00] Kite-: yeah, when it booted i had an error i couldn't read and then i wab brought to a login screen
[00:46:00] Kite-: it's crazy
[00:47:00] Kite-: i fixed it by uninstalling it, but i still want to get azureus to work
[00:47:00] that_weasel: thats really odd..its just a java program...i don't see how that could mess up booting/login
[00:47:00] Kite-: yeah me either
[00:48:00] FuDing: perhaps it was a pebkac error
[00:48:00] that_weasel: unless the package was corrupt or malisious
[00:48:00] ** that_weasel can't spell **
[00:48:00] Kite-: doubt it, i got it from the regular debian apt tree
[00:49:00] FuDing: speling iz uh bennaphit ov a publik edukayshun
[00:49:00] Chutt: there's a #knoppmyth channel
[00:49:00] FuDing: he's already in that channel lol
[00:49:00] that_weasel: FuDing, pebkac are the most common cause of problems
[00:49:00] Kite-: i asked there too, but theres like 8 ppl there
[00:49:00] FuDing: pebkac and picnic
[00:49:00] Chutt: this is for myth, not supporting installing randomass packages on a distro
[00:49:00] that_weasel: picnic?
[00:49:00] Kite-: still there are knoppmyth users here, figured i'd ask
[00:50:00] FuDing: probably best to ask cesman
[00:50:00] FuDing: or jams
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[00:52:00] ** Beirdo beats on inn a bit more **
[00:52:00] that_weasel: not to sound like a broken record...but i'm having trouble with my AverTV card...can anyone help?
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[01:38:00] k-man_: so hows .19 looking?
[01:39:00] k-man_: is anyone using svn at the moment?
[01:39:00] k-man_: are there a lot of improvements in there?
[01:39:00] kormoc: it looks like a dot with a line and a cool looking circle thing
[01:39:00] Krazylegz: Needs more squiggles.
[01:40:00] abarbaccia: why would a remote control work in irw but not work in mythtv? i have the config files and they are linked – its off a pvr-150 card
[01:41:00] illogic-al: abarbaccia: how'd you get the remote working in irw in the first place?
[01:41:00] abarbaccia: what do you mean? you aksing me how i got mine working – like you dont know how?
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[01:41:00] abarbaccia: www.abarbaccia.com – start there
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[01:42:00] kormoc: a bar bak kia?
[01:42:00] illogic-al: abarbaccia: do you have a ~/mythtv/.lirc file file your remote?
[01:43:00] abarbaccia: .lircrc file – yes
[01:43:00] abarbaccia: kormoc Andrew Barbaccia
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[01:43:00] kormoc: ahh, gotcha
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[01:47:00] illogic-al: if i don't have serial ports on my motherboard does that mean i can't use the ir thing that comes with my pvr 350?
[01:48:00] mofu: the pvr remote sensor plugs into the card, not a serial port
[01:48:00] mstanisl: illogic-al: uh, i just got my 350 and it plugs into the card..
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[01:48:00] mstanisl: i hate to say RTFM, but yeah... it says it on the second page :)
[01:49:00] illogic-al: TFM says i need to add stuff about ttyS0 in /etc/modprobe.conf
[01:49:00] illogic-al: if i don't have serial ports it's pointless to do so.
[01:49:00] mstanisl: i'm talking about physical connections and the actual manual
[01:49:00] mstanisl: nothing to do with linux.
[01:49:00] illogic-al: i already have it connected to the card.
[01:49:00] abarbaccia: illogic-al, you can't use the irblasters with the pvr- cards i thought...correct me if i'm wrong though
[01:50:00] kormoc: illogic-al, serial devices don't have to be done via a serial port
[01:50:00] abarbaccia: wait – the pvr-350 comes with a serial port ir receiver
[01:50:00] abarbaccia: ?
[01:50:00] illogic-al: abarbaccia: don't know. just started setting this thing up yesterday.
[01:51:00] mstanisl: abarbaccia: it's like a stereo-jack that plugs into the card.
[01:51:00] cosmo__: can anyone tell me if winmyth supports automatic commercial skipping? I dont have a mythbox yet, so I cant test the thing without error messages
[01:51:00] abarbaccia: right – mstanisl thats what i thought --- illogic-al sorrry for confusing you – you don't need to worry about serial ports or anything
[01:51:00] illogic-al: kormoc: does that mean i still need to add the serial port stuff ?
[01:52:00] beanfield: would this be the correct channel to ask about problems getting a bt878 video to work properly?
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[01:52:00] beanfield: the module seems to load, but I can't get any video
[01:53:00] illogic-al: mayhaps i should reboot and pray this works then...
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[01:54:00] Tanthrix: Ugh. This mythvideo delay is killing me..
[01:54:00] Tanthrix: 30 seconds to load from start
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: That is a little excessive. is it recursive across A ton of directories or over network based mounts ?
[01:57:00] Tanthrix: About 10–15 individual folders over samba mounts
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: 10–15 samba mounts or 1 samba mount containing 10–15 foldes ?:)
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[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: I found it slow to search over a samba mount point that hand 20 or so folders/subdirs, but certainly nothing like 30 seconds
[01:58:00] Tanthrix: 4 mounts, 12 symlinks to various folders in those mounts, some containing 150+ video files
[01:59:00] mofu: just had a problem tonight, my system was reinstalled fairly recently (last two weeks), compiled from 18.1 source against Debian Sarge. Started watching a show about 19 minutes after it started, the total recorded time didn't change and the playback stopped when it hit 19min. I exited and re-entered the same recording, to find it stopped recording at 24min . . . . any ideas
[02:00:00] mofu: Tanthrix: 100mpbs? or wireless?
[02:00:00] Tanthrix: 100 over a hub
[02:00:00] mofu: buy a switch
[02:01:00] Tanthrix: I don't think that will fix this problem.
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[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: Still seems excessively long.
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[02:02:00] mofu: pretty spread out across 4 Samba mounts . . ..
[02:02:00] Tanthrix: Let me get rid of all the symlinks except one. I want to see if that will fix it significantly, or if the delay wtill still exist. One sec.
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[02:04:00] Tanthrix: 5 seconds with 1 directory with 165 video files in it.
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[02:04:00] Tanthrix: That seems long, any thoughts?
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[02:05:00] mofu: Tanthrix: what file system is that reading? still across a Samba mount?
[02:06:00] Tanthrix: Aye. One of my couple shares mounted via "mount -t smbfs ..."
[02:08:00] mofu: personally I think you have to chose your priority, if you want Myth to be snappy, then put everything on a Linux partition on the MYth server, and mount media directories via Samba on your windows machines . . . . I'm assuming you must have windows or you wouldn't be using Samba
[02:09:00] Tanthrix: Unfortunately, that's not really an option for a few reasons.
[02:09:00] mofu: lol
[02:11:00] Tanthrix: Freevo never had this problem
[02:11:00] Beirdo: then go use freevo :)
[02:12:00] Tanthrix: Hehe. I might just do that, but not for my main box.
[02:12:00] Beirdo: smb mounting is not exactly the "recommended" way to do remote filesystems under Linux
[02:12:00] Krazylegz: Maybe check out FUSE and do FTP?
[02:12:00] Beirdo: maybe check out NFSv3
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[02:12:00] Tanthrix: Any of those options work with windows though?
[02:12:00] mstanisl: maybe check out external firewire harddrives? :)
[02:12:00] Beirdo: ewww
[02:13:00] cosmo__: whats wrong with samba, im not at all disagreeing with you, but what are the details of its problems?
[02:13:00] Beirdo: maybe check out why your windows box is slow then :)
[02:13:00] Krazylegz: With FUSE you would have to run an FTP server on your Windows boxen.
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[02:14:00] mofu: cosmo__: too much overhead, that's all
[02:14:00] mofu: Beirdo: is NFS is recommended for mounting the TV recordings partition?
[02:14:00] Tanthrix: The reason I'm trying to get this to work is not for me but a room mate. His windows box is full of dr.who and the like, and my machines are already maxed out as far as hard drives go.
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[02:15:00] Tanthrix: I think mythvideo is seriously underdeveloped. It's lacking quite a few features of freevo. Mythtv is better in every other way, though.
[02:15:00] Beirdo: NFSv3 works flawlessly for me and many other people
[02:15:00] Beirdo: all my recordings go over NFSv3
[02:15:00] Tanthrix: And yah yah yah, I know I shouldn't complain unless I'm actually contributing to the development ;)
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: No, you are allowed to have an opinion if you don't contribute code.
[02:17:00] mstanisl: how much space should i allow for the buffer area? someone mentioned to put it on a non-journaled partition so i am going to slice a piece for it off
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[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: mstanisl: The LiveTV Buffer ?
[02:19:00] mstanisl: yes
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: Well, that's up to you, how far back to you want to be able to rewind/pause in livetv
[02:19:00] Captain_Murdoch: course you won't need it anymore starting with 0.19 when it's released
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: That too :)
[02:20:00] Krazylegz: mstanisl: Yeah, I had problems when the buffer got full when I was on XFS and ReiserFS. I switched to ext2 and it's fine now.
[02:20:00] abarbaccia: Captain_Murdoch, how does it get around that?
[02:20:00] Krazylegz: Captain_Murdoch: No LiveTV in .19?
[02:20:00] Captain_Murdoch: LiveTV will be treated as any other recording
[02:20:00] abarbaccia: very cool
[02:20:00] mstanisl: hmm
[02:20:00] abarbaccia: i like the thinking -
[02:20:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[02:21:00] Captain_Murdoch: so if you watch 3 hours of shows in LiveTV and that covers 4 shows, it will have 4 files in the normal recordings dir.
[02:21:00] mofu: might be slightly slower though . . . ?
[02:21:00] Krazylegz: That sounds sweet!
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: why would it be slower ?
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[02:22:00] mofu: instead of spooling off to a non-journalled file system, especially when channel surfing, not typical behavior for me or many other people, but it happens sometimes
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: that kind of sucks if you don't want to keep those shows. Having to back into the recordings list and delete them would suck :)
[02:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: you don't, it will handle that automatically
[02:22:00] Krazylegz: I keep thinking that I wish I had started recording a show, but I watched it in LiveTV instead.
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: Cool
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: I still don't see why you would think it would be slower, regradless of if it's a journaled FS or not
[02:23:00] mofu: I assume it will be using a LiveTV "group" and a low priority to facilitate freeing the disk space easily
[02:23:00] that_weasel: what are everyone personal preference on Tuner cards?
[02:24:00] GreyFoxx: that_weasel: For analog cable the overall favourite is the PVR 150/250/500 cards
[02:24:00] mstanisl: that_weasel: my pvr-350 just came today, so for the sake of my happiness --- the pvr-350
[02:24:00] Captain_Murdoch: LiveTV recordings will be setup to autoexpire I believe and I 'm pretty sure they'll expire first before normal recordings when it's released.
[02:24:00] mofu: GreyFoxx: talking mainly about initial spooling and channel change, not playback or anything
[02:24:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: there is nothing about it that would affect speed.
[02:25:00] abarbaccia: anybody have an estimate as to when 0.19 will be released?
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[02:25:00] ChewVodka: hey anybody here?
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: opening a file is an almost instantaneous operation
[02:25:00] ChewVodka: hi greyfoxx
[02:25:00] mofu: you don't think partition performance affects the "speed" we are talking about?
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[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: No I don't
[02:26:00] GreyFoxx: you are not mass creating.deleteing files
[02:26:00] Captain_Murdoch: and we're talking a couple megabytes per second max even with HD
[02:27:00] mofu: these are big files we are talking about and some file systems can get a bit bogged down deleting and creating a ring buffer between channels
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[02:27:00] mofu: ok
[02:27:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: the buffer is NOT deleted during achannel change
[02:27:00] GreyFoxx: Myth just seeks to the start of the current file and starts writing from there
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: and after the new code is in even that wont be true :)
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[02:28:00] gratuit: does anyone know if it is possible to get a hauppage remote to turn a television's power on/off (using IR blaster or any other way?)
[02:28:00] gratuit: from the pvr-150 that is
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[02:29:00] mofu: gratuit: assuming the computer is running (24/7?)
[02:29:00] abarbaccia: gratuit, the ir_blasters don't work on the pvr_x50 series cards -
[02:29:00] gratuit: mofu: assuming that indeed
[02:29:00] gratuit: abarbaccia: but it is possible to create one using a serial port I think, I'm up for anything that could make it work
[02:30:00] mofu: gratuit: you can have a button fire off a script that turns on the TV via a serial port IR blaster.
[02:30:00] abarbaccia: gratuit, of corse then – you use an irblaster – and you get the remote codes for your TV
[02:30:00] gratuit: yeah, that is what I was thinking
[02:30:00] gratuit: I jsut wasn't sure if there was something easier that I was missing
[02:30:00] abarbaccia: make your own config from a TV remot
[02:30:00] abarbaccia: e
[02:30:00] that_weasel: generally speaking a TV Tuner card should be able to tune analog cable right?
[02:30:00] abarbaccia: or just buy a universal remote
[02:31:00] ChewVodka: does anybody use the ATI Remote Wonder? I'm curious about setting it up.
[02:31:00] abarbaccia: yes – that_weasel – that's what almost all of them do
[02:31:00] gratuit: abarbaccia: any suggestions?
[02:31:00] mofu: or do you want something "smarter"??
[02:31:00] gratuit: on a universal that is
[02:31:00] |rt|: that_weasel: yes....even if you have "digital cable" the first 75 or so channels are still analog
[02:31:00] that_weasel: i wonder if mine is one of those other ones...
[02:31:00] abarbaccia: gratuit, buy one off ebay for 12 dollars, set it up – and make your own config file
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: ChewVodka: I have a remote that is based off the same remote type as the remote wonder, but I've never used the lirc drivers for it
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[02:33:00] mofu: ChewVodka: I'm pretty sure the RW is covered by LIRC
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[02:33:00] mofu: gratuit: get a universal remote w/ JP1 for the most flexibility and easy programming
[02:34:00] ChewVodka: well i have the remote, and it works in fedora 4 as a generic mouse right now
[02:34:00] ChewVodka: i'm just confused about the guide that says i have to configure it for lirc when already works
[02:35:00] mofu: ChewVodka: do any of the keys except the mouse buttons work?
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: like using the ati_remote kernel driver
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: err likely
[02:35:00] ChewVodka: mofu no
[02:36:00] ChewVodka: the mouse and the left/right clicks work
[02:36:00] mofu: well, that answers your question, doesn't it
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[02:36:00] mofu: the mouse won't do you any good in myth
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: The buttons are likely just mapped to something that your app doesn't react too. You can look at using xmodmap to remap the buttons, or edit the source ot the ati_remote driver to map the buttons to regular keys
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: Or just use the lirc driver
[02:37:00] ChewVodka: thats where i'm lost though.. i tried using the guide at http://www.litwiller.net/mythtv/remote.html and i'm lost at the first line that says edit the /etc/modules.conf file.... it doesn't exist
[02:38:00] JohnP789: I'm about to order a Radeon 9600 AGP for a new frontend box. I want good TV-out and decent 3D performance. Am I making a mistake?
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: Try modprobe.conf
[02:38:00] ChewVodka: ok
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use lirc, so I can't help you with lirc specific config
[02:38:00] mstanisl: ok so, no ring buffer in .19; in the EXPERIENCE (read: not guessing based of fuzzy logic) of users — should i keep my video recordings on a non-journaled filesystem anyways for recording performance and otherwise?
[02:38:00] ChewVodka: should i use gatos?
[02:39:00] mstanisl: johnny99: what sort of TV-Out are you looking for?
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: ChewVodka: I hacked up my copy of the ati_remote to support my remote and mapped the buttons to what I wanted
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: mstanisl: Why would you think you would get a speed boost by NOT using a journaled FS ?
[02:39:00] JohnP789: mstanisl, Composite or maybe S-Video. My TV actually has interlaced component inputs, but I'm not sure it's worth it.
[02:39:00] ChewVodka: greyfoxx: i would do that if i knew how.. i'm completely new to linux and the whole shabang :(
[02:40:00] mstanisl: GreyFoxx: why would you ask a question when I am looking for a statement :)?
[02:40:00] JohnP789: mstanisl, I'd heard that ATI's TV-out has better image quality than nVidia's.
[02:40:00] GreyFoxx: mstanisl: Because if you have some preconceived notions I need to know before I respond :)
[02:40:00] mstanisl: JohnP789: my DVI looks pretty good out of my nvidia, so i can't say that for sure :)?
[02:40:00] mofu: mstanisl: you don't want a 300GB+ non-journalled filesystem, they take FOREVER to fsck . . . .
[02:40:00] JohnP789: hehe
[02:40:00] mstanisl: GreyFoxx: not really, just answer the question if you know ;)
[02:40:00] GreyFoxx: but no, I would't recommend a non journaled fs
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[02:42:00] JohnP789: XFS is the favorite, right?
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: for the most part yes
[02:42:00] jemarcks_: yum cant find dvdauthor. where can i find it?
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: google ?
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: freshmeat ?
[02:42:00] mofu: lol
[02:43:00] JohnP789: I had some xfs kernel error messages spit out on the console, but now I can't find them in dmesg or any log files.
[02:43:00] JohnP789: They made me nervous, though.  :-)
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[02:43:00] jemarcks_: greyfoxx, yea. i checked google and its on sourceforge but i was wanting a rpm that yum could install
[02:43:00] JohnP789: They scrolled off the screen, and I sure wish I'd written them down.
[02:44:00] GreyFoxx: jemarcks_: I wouldn't know where packages could be found
[02:44:00] jemarcks_: ok. thanks
[02:45:00] mstanisl: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/dvdauthor/
[02:45:00] mstanisl: ?
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[03:03:00] Chutt: hrm
[03:03:00] Chutt: i think i have seeking working in live-tv again
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[03:06:00] piksel: how can I play videos (like any .avi or .mpg file) on my tv via my hauppauge 350?
[03:15:00] xris: piksel: can only pay .mpg
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[03:24:00] piksel: xris: well, how can I play .mpg files?
[03:26:00] xris: with mplayer, I think. but I don't know how to configure it.
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[03:37:00] JohnP789: Anybody using the Iguanaworks IR TX/RX board?
[03:37:00] JohnP789: http://iguanaworks.net/ir/
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[03:53:00] simprix: My recordings are jumpy and it seems that the audio is catching up with the video. I am recording with rtjpeg. I am getting errors like this Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost
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[03:56:00] FuDing: is it a slow machine?
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[03:57:00] ChewVodka: hey guys, i'm still having trouble getting my Remote Wonder to work with lirc..... when i try to run "/sbin/service lircd start" nothing happens, it just goes to the next line
[03:59:00] simprix: FuDing: 1.6 ghz with 512 megs of ram
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[04:01:00] FuDing: what tv card?
[04:01:00] simprix: ati tv wonder ve, it doesn't do it all the time
[04:02:00] FuDing: I thought the ATI cards were known to have problems in myth
[04:02:00] FuDing: (I've only been a myth user for 2 days)
[04:02:00] simprix: it works everyonce in awhile
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[04:05:00] FuDing: I need help getting my wireless card to work in knoppyth
[04:05:00] FuDing: apparently thats not an easy thing to get help for
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[04:08:00] FunkyELF: anyone here use MythTV for windows?
[04:09:00] FunkyELF: I'm trying to connect it to the database and I can't get it to work...I'm not sure that I opened it up enough
[04:10:00] GiantPickle_: Hello all. I was sad to discover that I can't seem to export to DVD with nuvexport in the latest version of knoppmyth. I found one post on an 'open ticket' at the nuvexport site (www.forevermore.net) but Im' wondering if anyone can shed some light of if I can do something so I can export to DVD?
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: ummmm there is no MythTV for windows
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: Or are you referring to WinMyth ?>
[04:10:00] FunkyELF: yeah, thats what I'm talkin about
[04:10:00] FunkyELF: anyway...I think it is a mysql issue anyway
[04:11:00] GreyFoxx: I looked at it once when it fist come out, but not since
[04:12:00] FunkyELF: I commented out the bind address setting in my.cnf, but other than that, I haven't touched the config
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: I thought WinMyth only talked to the backend process. I didn't think it talked to the Database. But it has been a long time since I looked at it
[04:13:00] FunkyELF: yeah...it needed the database settings, name, host, user, password and such
[04:14:00] FunkyELF: I am getting an error on the windows side saying host 192.168.1.101 is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: You need to give the user access from that IP
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[04:15:00] FunkyELF: where?
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: inside mysql
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: mysql authentication isn't just username/password it's also based on the host you are connecting from
[04:17:00] FunkyELF: okay....maybe I'll look into that tomorrow. I'm beat. Time for bed
[04:17:00] FunkyELF: ....maybe I'll just put linux on my machine in my room and forget about winmyth
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[04:19:00] Krazylegz: No Funky|Sleep!
[04:19:00] ** Krazylegz sets penguin traps **
[04:20:00] ChewVodka: i'm so confused
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[04:20:00] ChewVodka: i hate learning new OS's
[04:23:00] k-man_: ChewVodka, whats the problem?
[04:23:00] ChewVodka: k-man_: i'm like 3 days into Linux and i'm trying to figure it all out
[04:23:00] k-man_: oh
[04:24:00] k-man_: well keep at it
[04:24:00] k-man_: its good for the soul
[04:24:00] ChewVodka: heh at least i found x-chat in my internet section
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[04:25:00] ChewVodka: i'm usiung the jarod wilson install guide for fedora, and everything was going great until i got to the videocard drivers.. it's been crazy since then
[04:25:00] FuDing: I couldnt find irrsi
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[04:25:00] FuDing: had to install bitchx
[04:26:00] ChewVodka: i'm just playing around right now, this isn't my REAL system. i have an ati x800pro.. got drivers from ati.com and have been having fun installing that
[04:26:00] ChewVodka: i went through the config and it looks like i survived
[04:26:00] FuDing: I uilt a box just for mythtv
[04:27:00] FuDing: just so I wouldnt screw anything up on my real systems
[04:27:00] ChewVodka: well, i'm dualbooting so it's all good :)
[04:27:00] ChewVodka: i don't have another system right now to play with
[04:28:00] FuDing: yea I broke down and bought a cheapie
[04:28:00] FuDing: Tiger Direct special
[04:29:00] ChewVodka: so far, i've found i'm spending a LOT of time in the 'konsole' and using SU a lot
[04:29:00] FuDing: heh
[04:29:00] FuDing: hard to use *nix without being in a term
[04:29:00] FuDing: I usually have at least 3 xterms open
[04:29:00] ChewVodka: yeah.. thats why i've kinda been shy to using linux in the first place
[04:29:00] ChewVodka: i'm too use to using windows
[04:30:00] FuDing: I'm too used to FreeBSD
[04:31:00] ChewVodka: so anyway, i'm trying to install LIRC to use my ATI RW, i've read on a bunch of websites it works great, but i can't get the dang thing to work
[04:31:00] MaxPower9: if i use two HAUPPAUGE WinTV PVR-350's would a PIII 500mhz computer with 684mb ram be a powerful enough computer
[04:31:00] Funky|Sleep: Krazylegz, i'm back kinda....gotta wait for some laundry before I go to bed
[04:31:00] Funky|Sleep: Krazylegz, did u need somethin?
[04:31:00] MaxPower9: powerful enough to record one show and be able to pause and rewind another
[04:32:00] Funky|Sleep: I suggest getting a single PVR-500 since it is not twice as expensive as two 350s
[04:32:00] GreyFoxx: Sure, but seriously don't waste your money on 2 350's. If you are going to use the 350 for playback you only need one. and go with a cheaper 150 for the second capture card
[04:32:00] JohnP789: MaxPower9, I'm using a Celeron/266 overclocked to 400 MHz with a PVR-500MCE. It works fine for recording, but not at all for playback.
[04:33:00] JohnP789: But the 350 has hardward playback. I'd guess it'd be OK.
[04:34:00] Funky|Sleep: what does that hardware playback mean?....it just outputs to video whatever it is tuned to and has nothing to do with the computer...all done on the card?
[04:34:00] GreyFoxx: Funky|Sleep: the 350 has a hardware mpegdecoder + TV out
[04:34:00] MaxPower9: so the 500 should work smoothly
[04:35:00] ChewVodka: i think thats just a dvd decoder chip
[04:35:00] MaxPower9: does it have tv out, too?
[04:35:00] JohnP789: MaxPower9, Probably not for playback.
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: MaxPower9: The 500 is 2 150's on a single card. You could certainly record 2 shows, but playback might be tight on that low a CPU
[04:35:00] k-man_: ChewVodka, yeah, i think the video drivers and capture card drivers are the hardest parts (at least for me they were)
[04:36:00] MaxPower9: ahh ok, so how fast a computer should i buy to have smooth playback
[04:36:00] JohnP789: MaxPower9, I just ordered my Sempron 2600+.  :-)
[04:36:00] GreyFoxx: max I personally wouldn't go any lower than a 800MHZ machine
[04:37:00] k-man_: MaxPower9, i think entry level cpu's should be fast enough these days...
[04:37:00] ChewVodka: k-man_ my hardest thing figuring out is how to execute commands.. the install file was an executable according to the website, but i couldn't get it to run by just typing it out
[04:37:00] MaxPower9: entry leve?
[04:37:00] FuDing: I splurged
[04:37:00] k-man_: ChewVodka, oh... tricky
[04:37:00] FuDing: I got the AThlon 3000XP case, mobo and ram for $199
[04:37:00] JohnP789: I find the database operations most painful on my old Celeron.
[04:38:00] FuDing: Athlon and case :P
[04:38:00] JohnP789: Some pages on mythweb take about a minute to load.
[04:38:00] FuDing: that sounds .. painful johnny99
[04:38:00] ChewVodka: k-man_ yeah.. i don't know how i did it, but i eventually got it.. now i'm trying to do this LIRC stuff and i'm having pretty much the same problem
[04:38:00] FuDing: er
[04:38:00] FuDing: JohnP789
[04:38:00] MaxPower9: so maybe a 1.5 ghz with the 500
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: JohnnyST: Anytime I've found mythweb slow it's just been the browser slow to render themany many tables
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: MaxPower9: That would be plenty
[04:38:00] JohnP789: GreyFoxx, Hmm, could be.
[04:39:00] JohnP789: There's a huge number of popup text on the recorded shows table.
[04:39:00] k-man_: ChewVodka, well, keep at it
[04:39:00] k-man_: itwill get easier
[04:39:00] ChewVodka: has anybody used jarod wilson's guide and successfully installed lirc with the ATI Remote Wonder?
[04:40:00] MaxPower9: great, thanks guys
[04:40:00] ChewVodka: i used 'yum install' and got the files he said to get, but when he says to startup lircd with "# /sbin/service lircd start" it just skips a line and doesn't say OK or anything
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[04:46:00] MaxPower9: one last question... does the pvr-500 work with the hauppauge remote
[04:47:00] JohnP789: My 500MCE doesn't have a connector for a remote, if I remember right.
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[05:15:00] Robizzle: hey guys, i'm having some trouble getting mythweb setup. My php and apache are working fine but when I visit /program_listings.php all I get is a blank page. I read somewhere that commenting out the zlib settings in .htaccess should do the trick but it was a no-go. Any other ideas?
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[05:22:00] slide: How do i get myth to use flac?
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[05:24:00] Dagmar: flac is audio
[05:24:00] slide: right
[05:25:00] slide: I want mythtv to use that as its audio codec for ripping (i know it tells another program to do it, but it has to know about flac to tell that program)
[05:25:00] Dagmar: mythTV is for television, man
[05:25:00] slide: uhm
[05:25:00] Dagmar: Just configure that other program to use it by default.
[05:25:00] slide: There is "MythMusic" and alot of others
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[05:25:00] Dagmar: Yes, and those are plugins.
[05:25:00] slide: myth i believe puts a --codec ogg
[05:25:00] slide: right now
[05:25:00] Chutt: in mythmusic, 'perfect' quality rips use flac.
[05:26:00] Chutt: and, no, it doesn't use an external program to do that.
[05:26:00] slide: ok thats what i set it too and left it as ogg though
[05:26:00] slide: oh now i see the message about it using flac
[05:26:00] slide: thanks :)
[05:26:00] Tanthrix: Is there a way to completely disable metadata in mythvideo? I think that what's causing the loading delay issues, trying to read 3000 files over samba shares and all..
[05:27:00] Tanthrix: I just need a way to list the files, and then play them. I don't care about imdb ratings and such.
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[05:28:00] Tanthrix: Maybe an earlier version of mythvideo doesn't have the metadata features?
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[05:31:00] GreyFoxx: I doubt that is your slowdown. When pulling in the list of files the metadata doesn't really come into play.
[05:31:00] Tanthrix: Are you absolutely certain?
[05:31:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[05:31:00] Robizzle: hey guys, i'm having some trouble getting mythweb setup. My php and apache are working fine but when I visit /program_listings.php all I get is a blank page. I read somewhere that commenting out the zlib settings in .htaccess should do the trick but it was a no-go. Any other ideas?
[05:31:00] Tanthrix: Because I can do a find search across ALL my samba shares in about 1 second flat...
[05:32:00] Tanthrix: And bring up every single avi I have.
[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: I'm not saying there aren't inefficiences in the code, but it doesn't use the meta data when reading in the list of files
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[05:33:00] Tanthrix: Hrm. Do you think it's just slow to begin with and that's the problem?
[05:33:00] Dagmar: It takes awhile to get the filenames of three thousand files over SMB.
[05:34:00] Tanthrix: Then why can a find command command do it in seconds?
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[05:34:00] Tanthrix: And I do mean find, not locate.
[05:34:00] Dagmar: Probably filesystem caching
[05:34:00] GreyFoxx: Well the one thing you do have to realize is that it's not just a list of files. It is looking to see what is in the database already. (Not talking about meta data)
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: there is more than just "list files" going on
[05:35:00] Tanthrix: Oh, I see. Could it be that causing the problems then?
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: I wont give guesses
[05:35:00] Dagmar: Run top when you're doing it and see
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: The code is the answer
[05:35:00] Tanthrix: I don't think it's caching because it takes forever every single time, even if I exit and reload a second later. I even set my ttl on my shares uber high.
[05:36:00] Dagmar: mysql will probably peg up at the top of the list if it's the bottleneck
[05:36:00] Tanthrix: Interesting, so I should run top and watch it when I try and load?
[05:36:00] Dagmar: Unless you have skill in any other type of system profiling, top is your best bet
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[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: I wonder if a cached list in mythvideo would make as a big a difference there as it did in the mythgame gamescan
[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: less SQL queries and so on
[05:38:00] Dagmar: Probably so
[05:40:00] Tanthrix: Hrm. Total CPU usage is hanging around 2 pecent on my backend system. At the top of the list are mythbackend, X, kswapd0, and mysql is moving around a bit, but never jumping high at all
[05:40:00] Dagmar: Looks like it's time for you to learn C++ then
[05:41:00] Tanthrix: Heh..
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: If I get time over the next couple days I'll look at implementing the lookup cache like I did for mythgame. there are a ton of SQL queries going on here that could likely be avoided
[05:42:00] Tanthrix: Well, I appreciate that, but I don't want you to go to all that trouble if no one else is having troubles like this.
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: What are you running? SVN or 0.18.x ?
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[05:43:00] Tanthrix: SVN from a while ago.
[05:43:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: Nah, I wouldn't spend much effort if I didn't get a benefit from it too :)
[05:43:00] GreyFoxx: ok
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[05:43:00] Tanthrix: Hehe.
[05:44:00] Tanthrix: I just wish there was a way to cut out the db entirely. That's really what I need.
[05:44:00] GreyFoxx: cause I'll want you to test any changes I make since I don't have 3k files over samba to compare against.
[05:44:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: There is no coded option for that
[05:44:00] Tanthrix: Certainly. Just let me know when.
[05:44:00] Tanthrix: Really? It seems like it would be the simplest way to get around this.
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: Though I could look a to add one since I personally don't want any of that info in a listview. Galleries and so on are another matter
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[05:46:00] Tanthrix: It seems like all it needs to be is a simple filebrowser, and when one hits "enter" it passes whatever custom command you enter (ie, mplayer %filename%)
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: All I wanna see in a list view is a big list of files/directories, and if one exists a cover poster. no need (for me) to waste time looking up any other meta data than the cover poster filename
[05:46:00] Tanthrix: But I'm not a developer, so I don't know a damn thing
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[05:46:00] Tanthrix: Yah, that makes sense.
[05:50:00] Tanthrix: By any chance is the first version of mythvideo just a file browser, or was the database and metadata desiged from the beginning?
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: That was a long time ago :)
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: and would not work with myth as it is now anyway :)
[05:51:00] Tanthrix: Hehe, alright
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: heh there is one sql query that I see executed 1079 times when mythvideo is reading in my list of files :)
[05:53:00] Chutt: which one?
[05:53:00] Dagmar: ye gods!
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: "
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: "SELECT f_ignore FROM videotypes WHERE extension = 'avi'"
[05:53:00] Chutt: heh
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[05:53:00] Chutt: easily cached
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[05:53:00] GeekZoid: whats the default mpeg
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: that works with x50 pvrs
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: GeekZoid: Pardon ? Not sure what you mean
[05:54:00] Uberbot: Hi all.
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: well i changed the mepg
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: and now it wont record
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: and im trying to figure out which mpeg works
[05:54:00] Dagmar: mpeg2 ts and ps should work
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: hmm
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: In your recording profile? MPEG-PS is default I think
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: well one of them dont :(
[05:54:00] Dagmar: Or at least it's been nice enough to not screw up when I used twhos
[05:54:00] GeekZoid: ok thank you
[05:55:00] Uberbot: Suddenly, I'm getting SQL errors when I run mythfilldatabase. Is this a known development?
[05:55:00] Tanthrix: Ok, I lied about how much memory usage mysql was taking up. It wasn't actually trying to load mythvideo at the time.
[05:55:00] Tanthrix: User error, please replace user and hit any key to continue.
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: If you want, email me so that I have your address and I'll send you a patch to try later
[05:56:00] Dagmar: Uberbot: You've probably done something to corrupt your databases. Run http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/optimize_mythdb.pl.txt
[05:56:00] Uberbot: Should I run it on the mythtv machine, or the database server, Dagmar?
[05:56:00] Tanthrix: Alright, it's loading now and mysql is at 75 percent CPU, 4.9 percent memory.
[05:57:00] Dagmar: Run it on the database server.
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[05:57:00] Dagmar: Imagine that
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[05:58:00] Dagmar: The 1079 sql queries comment was just scary
[05:58:00] Chutt: stupid missing !
[05:58:00] Tanthrix: GreyFoxx: Sure, PM me your e-mail addy, or is it posted all over the world anyway?
[05:58:00] Chutt: dagmar, there's lots of bad code =)
[05:58:00] Dagmar: Chutt: I noticed. If there were a perl interface in it somewhere I could help, but alas...
[05:59:00] GreyFoxx: I'm looking at the code that does it right now. I'll do up a patch tomorrow to trim some of the excess lookups
[05:59:00] Dagmar: After I'm forced to learn java this month I suppose I'll finally get around to learning C++
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[06:00:00] Dagmar: Right now I have to limit my contributions to making hardened packages for it for what few Slackware users are left who aren't desperately clinging to their 486 optimizations.
[06:00:00] Uberbot: That didn't fix it. I get errors inserting into dd_schedule.
[06:00:00] Dagmar: Uberbot: Are you perhaps out of disk?
[06:00:00] Dagmar: Uberbot: If you're not, just run mythtv-setup and let it nuke the channel lineup and start over.
[06:00:00] Uberbot: I'm not out of space....
[06:01:00] Chutt: or, might actually help to be more specific than 'errors'
[06:01:00] Uberbot: Will this also nuke any scheduled recordings?
[06:01:00] Dagmar: Possibly
[06:01:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: no
[06:01:00] Uberbot: INSERT INTO dd_schedule (programid,stationid,scheduletime,duration,repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecap tioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endtime) VALUES('EP7672570046','12377','2005-11–11T12:00:00','01:00:00',0,0,0,0,1,' TV-PG',0,0,'2005-11–11T13:00:00');
[06:01:00] Uberbot: Ok.
[06:01:00] GreyFoxx: But if you wipe your videosources/cards you will need to re-setup that info
[06:01:00] Chutt: it also prints out the actual error..
[06:02:00] Uberbot: Driver error was [2/1064]:
[06:02:00] Uberbot: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[06:02:00] Uberbot: Database error was:
[06:02:00] Uberbot: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,
[06:02:00] Chutt: using mysql 5?
[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: lemme guess mysql 5
[06:02:00] GreyFoxx: hehe ya beat me
[06:02:00] Chutt: see, gotta ask the right questions :p
[06:03:00] Uberbot: mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.13-rc, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.0
[06:03:00] Uberbot: Ok, so how do I fix this?
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: the word "repeat" is now a reserved word in MySQL5 and it's freaking because one of the columns in that table is labelled repeat
[06:03:00] Tanthrix: GreyFoxx: You were mentioning that it was impossible to separate the db from mythvideo. I'm curious, why is that? (Assuming the answer is not extremely complicated)
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: I didn't say impossible
[06:03:00] GreyFoxx: I said it's not an option with how the code is currently written
[06:04:00] GreyFoxx: IE you can't flip a check box somewhere to stop it :)
[06:04:00] GreyFoxx: It will require code changes, that's all
[06:04:00] Tanthrix: Oh, gotcha.
[06:04:00] Uberbot: But I've not done any upgrade on this system. It's a knoppMyth box, so I wouldn't even know HOW to upgrade it.
[06:06:00] Tanthrix: Are you going to want me to upgrade to the latest SVN?
[06:06:00] Tanthrix: For testing the patch, that is.
[06:07:00] Uberbot: Never mind. I'm an idiot. The database is on a different machine. (Gentoo) I know how to down-rev that.
[06:07:00] Uberbot: Thanx for your time.
[06:07:00] GreyFoxx: Tanthrix: Yeah
[06:07:00] Tanthrix: My current SVN is from Sept. 4.
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[06:08:00] GreyFoxx: well my patch will be against current
[06:08:00] GreyFoxx: so you might find it easier to update when I send you the patch :)
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[06:09:00] GreyFoxx: Or I'll just commit the changes(to eliminate the extra queries) and you can pull SVN after
[06:09:00] GreyFoxx: It's getting late and I must sleep. My cat is here bugging me to go to bed
[06:09:00] Tanthrix: Sounds good. Thanks for all the help, I really do appreciate it.
[06:10:00] GreyFoxx: np, later
[06:10:00] Tanthrix: G'night.
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[06:11:00] Uberbot: I am *SO* going to get away from KnoppMyth. MythTv on Gentoo sounds like a plan.
[06:11:00] Uberbot: Thanx much, guys.
[06:11:00] GreyFoxx: use whatever you are most comfortable with. It will save you a lot of hassle :)
[06:12:00] Uberbot: Ya, but when I did the KnoppMyth install, the Gentoo documentation was kinda imature.
[06:12:00] Uberbot: documentation for MythTv on Gentoo, that is.
[06:13:00] Uberbot: Fortunately, last time I took the box down, I put in a second 40Gb drive.....
[06:13:00] GreyFoxx: I've only ever used the docs on mythtv.org,
[06:13:00] GreyFoxx: ok, now it's sleep time
[06:13:00] Uberbot: I can do the gentoo install while the system is running...
[06:13:00] Uberbot: Good night. Thanx again.
[06:14:00] Uberbot: Night all.
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[06:16:00] ** xris curses the complexity of mythweb's program listing. **
[06:17:00] Chutt: heh
[06:18:00] ** Beirdo curses still being awake **
[06:20:00] xris: Beirdo: go to sleep
[06:21:00] xris: it's VERY hard to separate display code from the execution stuff when there are a page of calculations necessary to make programs fit into the listings table
[06:23:00] slide: Is there a way while inside myth to tell it to update its database? or should i just run mythfilldatabase?
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[06:32:00] xris: slide: that'd be how you do it.
[06:32:00] xris: you can schedule the backend to run mythfilldatabase daily
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[06:34:00] slide: ok so i ran mythfilldatabase and it told me data is already present, but in the frontend it doesnt show it =\
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[06:38:00] ChewVodka: hey good news! i finally got my friggen lirc to install :) now i have another problem
[06:39:00] slide: omfg i cant get out of mythweather
[06:40:00] ChewVodka: using the mythtv.org guide, he says i may need to load a kernel module.. when i finished the setup, i got this: "You will have to use the lirc_atiusb kernel module." The guide doesn't say anything about what to do if you do
[06:40:00] ChewVodka: so.. what do i do? :)
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[06:43:00] ChewVodka: anybody?
[06:44:00] eiggirC: ChewVodka: yes
[06:44:00] eiggirC: ask, then lurk
[06:45:00] ChewVodka: lol i already asked
[06:46:00] eiggirC: sorry – I just joined again
[06:46:00] ChewVodka: lol ok
[06:46:00] ChewVodka: i'm install lirc, and the mythtv.org guide says i might need to load a kernel module, but it doesn't tell me how
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[06:51:00] Rince: ChewVodka: what kind of remote control do you have?
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[06:52:00] ChewVodka: rince: ATI Remote Wonder
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[06:54:00] FuDing: anyone good with installing wireless? :P
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[07:03:00] ChewVodka: nevermind i found it
[07:04:00] slide: Ok, im getting "No channels were detected" everwhere, does that mean i need to run mythsetup and fix something?
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[07:06:00] xris: holy crap, my program list is almost 500k
[07:06:00] xris: in mythweb, that is
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[07:07:00] ChewVodka: uh oh.. hit another snag... "edit the /etc/modules.conf file" but the file doesn't exist?
[07:09:00] xris: ChewVodka: there's an /etc/{modules,modprobe}*
[07:09:00] xris: distros call it something else.
[07:09:00] xris: sometimes it's a directory, too
[07:09:00] ChewVodka: how can i do this then? it says i have to add a line to the conf file
[07:10:00] xris: so find what your distro calls it
[07:10:00] xris: modprobe.conf
[07:10:00] xris: modules.d/something.conf
[07:10:00] ChewVodka: ok i'll look around.. i'm totally new to linux.. like 2 days old
[07:11:00] ChewVodka: i do have a modprobe.conf
[07:11:00] ChewVodka: and a modprobe.conf.dist
[07:12:00] xris: .dist is usually "distribution"... sample file
[07:13:00] ChewVodka: ok
[07:14:00] cosmo__: does anyone get away with running a frontend on a 10mbit network over 2 hubs?
[07:14:00] xris: with a hub? no
[07:14:00] xris: you should be fine with switches, though
[07:15:00] cosmo__: bah, guess I might as well switch to 100mbit switches then
[07:15:00] xris: you'd be fine if there was no other bandwidth going on
[07:15:00] xris: well, probably
[07:15:00] cosmo__: ever engage in a project that redefines all of your computing infrastructure?
[07:15:00] xris: yeah
[07:15:00] xris: at work.
[07:15:00] cosmo__: ;)
[07:15:00] xris: but we have near unlimited hardware potential.
[07:15:00] ChewVodka: xris: how do i edit this file? it says i don't have permission
[07:15:00] xris: ChewVodka: man sudo
[07:16:00] ChewVodka: heh whats that
[07:16:00] xris: type it
[07:16:00] xris: or man su
[07:16:00] ChewVodka: is there an "edit" for the console?
[07:21:00] xris: nano
[07:21:00] xris: that's going to be easiest for a newbie
[07:21:00] ChewVodka: heh thanks
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[07:22:00] xris: you can also type gui program names in a console window if you're actually running x... like gedit
[07:22:00] ChewVodka: so that would open the gui program in the root mode then
[07:23:00] ChewVodka: neat
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[07:24:00] xris: yup
[07:24:00] ChewVodka: i've been using the SU command a lot, but never realized i could launch a gui from the console
[07:24:00] xris: yup
[07:25:00] ChewVodka: i'm learning so much stuff.. my brain's cramping :)
[07:25:00] xris: should use sudo if you can try to learn it.. it has better logging, and is a better habit to get into.
[07:25:00] ChewVodka: whats the difference?
[07:25:00] xris: su turns you into root, sudo just executes a command as root.
[07:26:00] ChewVodka: but with sudo how do you enter the root password?
[07:26:00] xris: you add people to the /etc/sudoers file (your distro should put the first user there if it's a good one).
[07:26:00] xris: you don't. that's the whole point. you type your own password
[07:26:00] ChewVodka: ah
[07:26:00] xris: sudoers file says who can do what (you can limit it to certain commands, or "all" or whatever)
[07:26:00] ChewVodka: i'm using Fedora 4
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[07:27:00] xris: can't remember if core 4 did that or not... mine's there, but I may have added it by hand
[07:27:00] ChewVodka: its cool anyway
[07:27:00] xris: anyway, it's not such a big deal, but if you type "sudo" every time, you're less likely to accidentally do something like "rm -rf /"
[07:27:00] xris: or forget that you're in root mode.
[07:28:00] Dagmar: Bah just run Linspire with everything as root. You know you want to
[07:28:00] ChewVodka: ah good point
[07:28:00] ChewVodka: lol
[07:29:00] Dagmar: My prompt is pretty overt about who and where I am when I'm logged in.
[07:30:00] ChewVodka: man i'm having trouble on every single step here
[07:30:00] ChewVodka: now i'm trying to run modprobe, but it's returning NOT FOUND errors
[07:30:00] ChewVodka: ls
[07:31:00] xris: Dagmar: likewise. blue as user, red as root
[07:31:00] xris: but it's hardly a default
[07:32:00] xris: ChewVodka: sorry I can't help more.. time for me to sleep.
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[07:32:00] ChewVodka: hey it's cool
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[07:33:00] dookieface: hey
[07:34:00] Dagmar: Man, mine vandalizes the window title as well
[07:36:00] PaulWay: You made it!
[07:36:00] PaulWay: MythTV – it beats all those other PVR applications hands-down.
[07:40:00] PaulWay: Sorry if that sounds like inane rambling, but it was meant for dookieface.
[07:41:00] ChewVodka: can somebody help me on the 2nd command at http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc8.5
[07:41:00] FuDing: thats a table of contents
[07:42:00] ChewVodka: lol
[07:42:00] FuDing: I think you need more chew and less vodka
[07:42:00] ChewVodka: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.5
[07:42:00] ChewVodka: its my name.. everybody knows me by that
[07:42:00] PaulWay: The 'Completing the lirc install' section
[07:42:00] ChewVodka: yea
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[07:43:00] PaulWay: This is interesting for me too, as I haven't got this working either.
[07:43:00] ChewVodka: i got the first step done with xris' help but now i'm having trouble with the modprobe part
[07:44:00] ChewVodka: i had to recompile with the lirc_atiusb kernel, so obviously i'm replacing lirc_serial with that, but modprobe come up missing altogether
[07:45:00] FuDing: what did you type
[07:46:00] ChewVodka: /sbin/modprobe lirc_atiusb
[07:46:00] ChewVodka: when i do that, it just skips to another prompt with no response
[07:47:00] FuDing: thats good
[07:47:00] ChewVodka: shouldn't i get SOMETHING back?
[07:47:00] FuDing: maybe if there is an error
[07:48:00] FuDing: note the How-to doesnt show a response either
[07:48:00] otwin: ChewVodka: type 'lsmod' – lirc_atiusb should be there
[07:48:00] ChewVodka: lsmod returned "bash: lsmod: command not found"
[07:49:00] otwin: '/sbin/lsmod'
[07:49:00] ChewVodka: do i have to type the full path all the time?
[07:50:00] FuDing: sounds like your path environment variable is not configured correctly
[07:50:00] ChewVodka: and yes, it's listed under lsmod
[07:50:00] otwin: ok then
[07:51:00] ChewVodka: lsmod is a list of loaded modules?
[07:51:00] otwin: yes
[07:51:00] ChewVodka: haha i learned something new again
[07:51:00] slide: Ok, how exactly should i hear my sound? Right now i have the speakers plugged into my capture card but the video is behind the sound and nothing is coming out of my standard sound card, should it be?
[07:51:00] otwin: you'll learn untill myth is running ;-) if your a newbie that is
[07:51:00] otwin: * a lot
[07:52:00] ChewVodka: i'm a deadset newbie.. maybe 3 days so far
[07:52:00] Dagmar: You have a bttv card, don't you?
[07:52:00] slide: Dagmar, me?
[07:52:00] Dagmar: You have to connect the line out of your bttv tuner to the line-in on your sound card with those
[07:52:00] ChewVodka: but i'm fluent with DOS and windows :)
[07:52:00] slide: ok
[07:52:00] slide: Dagmar, what if i have 2 bttv cards? Id need 2 sound cards? (or a sound card with 2 inputs) ?
[07:53:00] Dagmar: Sound is *supposed* to be transferrable to the PC through DMA, but it doesn't work on all the cards, and I think they gave up on making the driver deal with that long ago
[07:53:00] Dagmar: slide: Pretty much
[07:53:00] slide: k
[07:53:00] Dagmar: slide: Just get a PVR-500
[07:53:00] PaulWay: On the TV capture card, do you have an audio line out connector? (like a headphone socket)
[07:53:00] slide: i have a pvr-150
[07:53:00] slide: but i havnt set it up yet
[07:53:00] Dagmar: Two tuners, hardware compression, nearly 0 CPU load. no muss no fuss.
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[07:53:00] ChewVodka: FuDing: do you know how to fix my path's problem?
[07:53:00] Dagmar: If you've got a PVR-150 you should be getting sound from it without having to use the patch cable
[07:54:00] slide: well, i have 2 bttv and the 1 pvr-150
[07:54:00] slide: but i dont have the pvr setup yet
[07:54:00] PaulWay: Or go digital – DVB is the way to go :-)
[07:54:00] Dagmar: Ah, dude, the PVR card is a million times easier
[07:54:00] FuDing: ChewVodka, not in linux I don't
[07:54:00] slide: really? hrm
[07:54:00] ChewVodka: heh yeah i used to know how in DOS
[07:55:00] FuDing: my sound worked without patch cords, PVR-350 and onboard sound on the mobo
[07:55:00] PaulWay: ChewVodka: What'
[07:55:00] ** slide loads up mythtv-setup **
[07:55:00] PaulWay: s your path problem?
[07:55:00] Dagmar: slide: go get the ivtv driver and install it. Provided you can keep the bttv driver and the ivtv drivers tuner modules from tangling up, you'll have the pvr-150 running in like two minutes flat
[07:55:00] ChewVodka: PaulWay: i have to type out the full path to run anything
[07:56:00] PaulWay: what do you get if you 'echo $PATH'?
[07:57:00] PaulWay: ChewVodka: You might find a couple of the "Linux for DOS users" tutorials on the web useful.
[07:57:00] ChewVodka: /usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin :/home/mythtv/bin
[07:57:00] PaulWay: And what commands are you having to type out the full path for?
[07:58:00] FuDing: he needs to add /sbin
[07:58:00] ChewVodka: well uh, modprobe for one
[07:58:00] PaulWay: Only if he's root.
[07:58:00] ChewVodka: and lsmod
[07:58:00] FuDing: hes rooted for the myth install
[07:58:00] PaulWay: That's the root path?!?!?
[07:58:00] PaulWay: Well, yeah, that explains it.
[07:58:00] ChewVodka: what? did i screw up?
[07:58:00] FuDing: ChewVodka did you use su or sudo?
[07:58:00] PaulWay: ChewVodka: 'export PATH=$PATH:/sbin'
[07:59:00] ChewVodka: FuDing i'm using su
[07:59:00] slide: a pvr-500 is just 2 pvr-150s in 1 right? or is that the mpeg4 card?
[07:59:00] ChewVodka: export
[07:59:00] ChewVodka: oops
[07:59:00] FuDing: do what paul says
[08:00:00] ChewVodka: yeah that worked
[08:01:00] PaulWay: To make it permanent you'll have to edit ~/.profile. There'll probably be a set of commands in there to set up the path – put it in with that.
[08:01:00] ChewVodka: um.. heh you lost me again
[08:01:00] Dagmar: slide: A PVR-500 is basically just two PVR-150's that only need one slot.
[08:02:00] Dagmar: ...if it does MPEG4, someone needs to explain that to my card.
[08:02:00] PaulWay: ChewVodka: Don't worry about it for the moment.
[08:02:00] ChewVodka: heh ok
[08:03:00] ChewVodka: so what's this ldconfig supposed to do
[08:03:00] Dagmar: It updates the system's shared library linker cache
[08:03:00] slide: Dagmar, lol
[08:03:00] PaulWay: Just remember – set environment variables with export KEY=value
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[08:03:00] slide: Dagmar, yea i just didnt know which card that was
[08:04:00] ChewVodka: ok
[08:04:00] PaulWay: ldconfig goes through all the shared libraries and works out which ones are available and keeps the system's idea of this up-to-date.
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[08:04:00] Dagmar: slide: The Plextor card does MPEG-4. I figure it's only a matter of time before someone makes a firmware for the PVR-xxx cards that can do XviD
[08:05:00] slide: yea
[08:05:00] slide: thatd be awesome hehe
[08:06:00] PaulWay: Or a card that does it. They're selling DVD players that'll play DivX and XviD these days...
[08:06:00] Dagmar: A dedicated transcoding card would probably cost mint tho
[08:07:00] simcop2387: s*** looking at the stuff for 0.19 i'm gonna love it!
[08:07:00] Dagmar: simcop2387: Is there an eta on that now?
[08:07:00] PaulWay: What's turning you on in particular?
[08:07:00] simcop2387: ETA? dunno, but theres very few blocking tickets in the tracker
[08:07:00] simcop2387: PaulWay: program based livetv
[08:07:00] simcop2387: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/340
[08:08:00] Dagmar: simcop2387: Ack. I'd better do a few test pulls off SVN then so I can have things ready to roll out binaries
[08:08:00] slide: How do i set the default capture card?
[08:08:00] PaulWay: It's the first input. Lowest number. That's it.
[08:08:00] ChewVodka: slide: from what i've read, the default is the first one you used when your were installing them
[08:08:00] slide: hrm
[08:08:00] simcop2387: Dagmar: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap
[08:08:00] simcop2387: check that out
[08:08:00] Dagmar: You mean we can tell it to start recording and it will start recording from the beginning of the show even if we're ten minutes into it:?
[08:09:00] slide: so i should uninstalled the2 bttv cards and reinstall them after my pvr-150?
[08:09:00] Dagmar: silde: Just delete them in mythtv-setup
[08:09:00] slide: yea thats where i am
[08:09:00] simcop2387: Dagmar: yep! thats the coolest fucking feature ever! i don't think even tivo has that
[08:09:00] slide: remove them totally?
[08:09:00] Dagmar: There's another place you can set preferential weighting on the cards, but I can't remember where I saw the option
[08:10:00] Dagmar: simcop2387: It does have that actually.
[08:10:00] simcop2387: Dagmar: ah some of the ones i've seen (mostly older) haven't been able to do that
[08:10:00] Dagmar: simcop2387: Provided you've actually been watching it from the start so that it's all in the ringbuffer
[08:10:00] Dagmar: I think they added with the second or third revision
[08:10:00] Rince: btw... ( I am quite sure this is an FAQ but i haven't found that...) in Germany, we jhave some channels where two sender divide the screen-time on one channel. How can I tell that mythtv, that Channel A (CNBC) is there from 8am to 8pm and ARTE is there from 8pm to 8AM?
[08:11:00] Dagmar: ReplayTV didn't do it, but since they weren't bending over for the lawyers, they didn't really have time to add it
[08:11:00] Dagmar: Rince: Hopefully your program guide data will just list all the programs for the same numbered channel
[08:11:00] ** PaulWay goes and eats. **
[08:12:00] Rince: hm
[08:12:00] Rince: So I have just to add both channels (CNBC and Arte) and tell mythtv they are on the same programpoint?
[08:12:00] ** FuDing waits for PaulWay to come back so he can be pestered about ndiswrapper **
[08:13:00] PaulWay: FuDing: What's up?
[08:13:00] FuDing: trying to install wireless on a knoppmyth box
[08:13:00] simcop2387: Dagmar: also its got a built in DVD player it would seem
[08:13:00] Dagmar: Rince: In theory you won't be manually adding any channels. You'll be letting MythTV populate it's database using XMLTV
[08:13:00] FuDing: ndiswrapper doesnt like any of the windows drivers I've tried
[08:14:00] FuDing: and this is for three separate adapters
[08:14:00] FuDing: one PCI and 2 USB
[08:14:00] PaulWay: I'm not sure why you've picked on me, as I have little ndiswrapper experience :-)
[08:14:00] FuDing: at one point I had some rt2500 drivers recognized, but modprobe kept segfaulting
[08:15:00] PaulWay: What cards?
[08:15:00] FuDing: WMP54G
[08:15:00] FuDing: that one is PCI
[08:15:00] PaulWay: Ah, you're talking wireless lan, yes?
[08:15:00] FuDing: RT2500 chipset
[08:15:00] FuDing: yes
[08:15:00] Rince: Dagmar: not in germany, that doesn't work
[08:15:00] Rince: (unfortunately)
[08:15:00] FuDing: and I tried two USB adapters
[08:15:00] FuDing: Linksys WUSB54G V2 and V4
[08:16:00] PaulWay: I thought there were some native Linux drivers for Linksys stuff.
[08:16:00] FuDing: If I had a V1 card it would probably be working by now :P
[08:16:00] FuDing: PaulWay, there are but I don't know how to install them
[08:16:00] FuDing: I'm a BSD type
[08:16:00] PaulWay: OK, what distro are you using?
[08:16:00] ron_: anyone had this before, change to channel 7 and no sound. escape then watch tv sound is okay. Only with the one channel "7"
[08:16:00] FuDing: talk to me about kernel headers and my eyes glaze over
[08:17:00] FuDing: knoppmyth
[08:17:00] PaulWay: Or, which flavour of BSD.
[08:17:00] FuDing: (debian unstable)
[08:17:00] FuDing: If this were in BSD I could do it :P
[08:17:00] PaulWay: You're using knoppmyth on debian? I though knoppmyth worked on knoppix. Or am I missing something?
[08:17:00] FuDing: knoppix is just a debian derivative
[08:17:00] FuDing: iirc
[08:18:00] FuDing: last time I tried debian it was "potato"
[08:18:00] PaulWay: *shrugs* Probably. I'm a Fedora / RPM man myself...
[08:19:00] PaulWay: So what have you tried so far?
[08:19:00] FuDing: tried all the ndiswrapper stuff I could find
[08:19:00] slide: yay the pvr 150 works great! :)
[08:19:00] FuDing: did an apt-get update
[08:19:00] FuDing: then apt-get install rt2500
[08:19:00] FuDing: that has some dependency problems
[08:19:00] FuDing: so now I am stuck
[08:20:00] PaulWay: I thought apt-get was supposed to solve all those dependency problems.
[08:20:00] PaulWay: What's it lackign?
[08:20:00] FuDing: flood coming
[08:20:00] FuDing: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:20:00] FuDing: rt2500: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2) but 1:3.4.3–13 is to be installed
[08:20:00] FuDing: Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5) but it is not installable
[08:20:00] FuDing: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2–3) but 3.4.3–13 is to be installed
[08:20:00] FuDing: E: Broken packages
[08:20:00] Dagmar: slide: Now... whatever you do, don't buy another bttv card.
[08:20:00] Gumby: I am looking at building deb's for ivtv module and firmware. I currently have a knoppmyth box running ivtv great. Is there a way to tell what firmware virsion it is using?
[08:20:00] slide: Dagmar, yea, these bttv cards are like 3 years old hehe
[08:20:00] Dagmar: slide: My PVR-500 cost $138USD and I don't regret it for a second
[08:21:00] slide: is there a mythradio?
[08:21:00] PaulWay: The only thing that I can suggest, FuDing, is to download and install the .deb files manually
[08:21:00] Dagmar: Someone's working on it, or so I hear
[08:22:00] slide: coo
[08:22:00] PaulWay: slide: more description please?
[08:22:00] FuDing: well I tried that
[08:22:00] FuDing: I downloaded the tarball
[08:22:00] slide: a radio plugin. Like how the pvr-150 has a radio antennae
[08:22:00] FuDing: but then we start getting into kernel headers and I get lost
[08:22:00] PaulWay: No, find the .deb file and install it.
[08:22:00] PaulWay: slide: being able to tune an FM station? Yeah, someone's working on it, IIRC.
[08:22:00] FuDing: I don't know if knoppix uses .deb
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[08:23:00] Gumby: Dagmar: I dont know much about the pvr500 other than its a dual tuner card. How well does it work? And does it work without much hassle?
[08:23:00] slide: PaulWay, yea, thats generally what "radio" means hehe
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[08:23:00] Dagmar: Gumby: With the exception of having to ditch the 2.4.x kernel (the tuner will simply not work without 2.6.x) I had literally zero issues
[08:23:00] Gumby: Dagmar: nice
[08:23:00] Dagmar: Gumby: It was working before I was even sure I was done messing with it
[08:24:00] Gumby: ditching 2.4.x isnt such a bad thing :)
[08:24:00] Dagmar: I actually have mythbackend running as a daemon on my workstation until I can finish reassembling the dedicated box
[08:24:00] Dagmar: I can't really tell it's there except for the disk activity light when it starts recording
[08:24:00] slide: does mythfrontend log to anywhere specific?
[08:25:00] Dagmar: Not by default.
[08:25:00] slide: it keeps spitting out my cd when i try to rip it and doesnt give me any message
[08:25:00] fatmatt: does anyone know whats going on with the debian mythtv packages? deb wants to remove mythfrontend and update common?
[08:25:00] FuDing: I think I stunned PaulWay
[08:26:00] Dagmar: Gumby: Just um... Do NOT enable pre-emptive kernel locks in 2.6.x if you're going to use the ivtv drivers.
[08:26:00] Dagmar: Gumby: The first time one hits while the card is doing something, there's a good chance your box will spontaneously reboot.
[08:27:00] Gumby: fatmatt: what sources are you using?
[08:27:00] PaulWay: FuDing: I just don't think I can help you.
[08:27:00] PaulWay: Sorry :-)
[08:27:00] fatmatt: testing, I've commented out mdz's as they seem to have been moved into testing
[08:28:00] fatmatt: Gumby: are there better sources?
[08:28:00] PaulWay: slide: Well, some people would mean internet radio streams...
[08:28:00] ** PaulWay really goes and eats this time. For sure. Definitely **
[08:28:00] slide: PaulWay, true, not lamen like me though hhe
[08:28:00] slide: Can i upload a divx file and watch it in myth?
[08:29:00] Gumby: fatmatt: I use the following
[08:29:00] Gumby: # mythtv sources
[08:29:00] Gumby: deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
[08:29:00] Gumby: deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
[08:29:00] Gumby: that worked just today
[08:29:00] Gumby: maybe its different than teseting
[08:29:00] Gumby: I am not sure
[08:29:00] Gumby: all I know is that it worked
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[08:31:00] fatmatt: Gumby: thats the ones I was using as well. are you using any of the plugins?
[08:33:00] Gumby: fatmatt: nope. I use those sources on two slave backends
[08:33:00] Gumby: I havnt touched the master in some while
[08:33:00] Gumby: allthough I am going to tomorrow possibly
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[08:33:00] fatmatt: I've had all sorts of hell with the plugins,
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[08:48:00] slide: Whenever an audio cd is inserted can myth automatically rip it behind the scenes so tv could still be watched?
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[09:41:00] MeneMMateo: I'm hoping someone will be be able to help me with a problem with streaming. I've installed the "stream recordings" plugin found on the net for mythweb. But when I try to stream something I'm getting: /usr/bin/vlc: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavformat.so: undefined symbol: dc1394_create_handle
[09:44:00] MeneMMateo: I'm using Fedora Core 4 B.t.w.
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[09:45:00] simon_c: At a guess you dont' have the right firewire libraries installed. But that's a compleat guess.
[09:45:00] MeneMMateo: Slide: I've never been able to do that, it would be cool, but I think not currently possible.
[09:46:00] MeneMMateo: Firewire libraries? For streaming the Mpeg2 files created by the PVR 350 card?
[09:47:00] MeneMMateo: But is is a good suggestion seeing the "1394" text
[09:47:00] simon_c: sounds strange, but 1394 is firewire.
[09:48:00] simon_c: or, if you built it yourslef, rebuild whatever provided libavformat.so without the firewire support
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[09:51:00] Gumby: anyone here have success compiling ivtv? I have the modules loaded and firmware in place, but mythtv doesnt see the card. Is there a way I can test the card?
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[09:52:00] MeneMMateo: Sorry left to try it out, I've installed all the 1394 libraries, but the problem remains. And rebuilding something like this? Way beyond me. I'm glad i've gotten this far!
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[09:53:00] Sungrazer: Gumby: I just compiled the ivtv drives a second ago. My box is FC4
[09:53:00] Sungrazer: read the ivtv/doc/README.install if you haven't already
[09:54:00] Sungrazer: you have to do a depmod before you modprobe ivtv
[09:54:00] Gumby: Sungrazer: did that already
[09:54:00] Sungrazer: what distro are you on?
[09:55:00] ** Sungrazer got to go to lunch. **
[09:55:00] Gumby: debian
[09:55:00] simon_c: MeneMMateo: What RPM ownes libavformat.so ?
[09:56:00] Gumby: ivtv loads without issue. Its just that mythtv-setup doesnt see it
[09:57:00] MeneMMateo: good one, how does one find out?
[09:58:00] MeneMMateo: rpm -q or something right?
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[10:03:00] MeneMMateo: It belongs to ffmpeg
[10:03:00] MeneMMateo: my version is 0.4.9-pre1
[10:04:00] simon_c: MeneMMateo: At a guess, that's the dodgy package cos it's installed itself and not the correct dependancies.
[10:04:00] MeneMMateo: Ah, so removing and then reinstalling may help?
[10:05:00] simon_c: MeneMMateo: No.
[10:05:00] simon_c: upadting it may help.
[10:05:00] MeneMMateo: shoot
[10:05:00] Gumby: MeneMMateo: someone has created a pretty crappy rpm
[10:05:00] simon_c: MeneMMateo: Or grabbing the .SRPM for it, editing the spec file, and rebuilding it.
[10:06:00] Gumby: can anyone tell me how I might test if ivtv module is working properly/
[10:06:00] MeneMMateo: is the "crappy rpm" known for ffmpeg?
[10:07:00] MeneMMateo: Gumby: Perhaps wilson's guide might help?: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php?SID& . . . r350out=open
[10:07:00] Gumby: MeneMMateo: thx, will do some reading
[10:07:00] simon_c: MeneMMateo: Depends where you got the PRM from. If it's part of fc4, check out their bugzilla
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[10:13:00] Dagmar: Bad News: ffmpeg is just in a *sorry* state all-around
[10:13:00] lwizardl: Hi
[10:14:00] Dagmar: Things have gotten *very* ugly between ffmpeg, mpeg4ip, faac, and faad2 with many of them including parts of the others with their own source when they build... so that when an API call happens and tries to blithely shoot through a different version of the code than it was expecting... *blammo*
[10:14:00] lwizardl: if i run mythtv using a 1.2ghz w/256mb ram what resolution/fps should i be able to get
[10:15:00] Dagmar: Basically, isolate the library that's giving you issues, and then do your level best to see to it that the programs that use it use it statically.
[10:15:00] simon_c: I'm guessing the Easiest solution if you don't use 1394 is probably to rebuild the RPM with 1394 support disabled. Proably a ./configure option.
[10:15:00] simon_c: lwizardl: What TV card ?
[10:15:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: If you have a PVR-xxx series card or other card with hardware compression, you should be able to run at whatever you like
[10:15:00] lwizardl: pvr-150
[10:15:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: Astonishingly, I've been running on the PVR-500 with the display never leaving 1600x1200.
[10:16:00] Dagmar: ...mainly because I've got an nVidia 6600TF card.
[10:16:00] Dagmar: Hardware compression out of the PVR-series cards reduces your requirements to whatever you can get to play video full screen plus 10–15%
[10:16:00] simon_c: Are the nova-t (terestrial digital TV) cards easy to get working with 0.18.1, of do you need to run bleading edge to get them working ?
[10:17:00] Dagmar: So, a 1.2Ghz CPU will work *fine* with that card. Just don't expect it to do much with a bttv (no hardware compression) card
[10:17:00] Dagmar: simon_c: It mainly comes down to driver support. MythTV just uses mostly the same API for all the cards
[10:18:00] lwizardl: so i should be able to do 720x480 30fps easily
[10:18:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: Yeah, you should be able to watch TV on that fullscreen with no problem
[10:18:00] simon_c: Dagmar: So I might need some hacking around with the dtv stuff, but core myth should be find on 0.18.1 ?
[10:18:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: Unless you've got a slow (non-DMA) disk, you will likely find that the backend and the mysql database don't even bother it much.
[10:19:00] Dagmar: simon_c: So long as it adheres to the v4l (Video4Linux) specs you should have little problem
[10:19:00] Dagmar: ...or if it uses ivtv. The ivtv driver works in a drastically different (and a little simpler) fashion.
[10:20:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Well, I think the nova-t is a hardware compression card, like the other hauppage cards..... Hopefully :-)
[10:20:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Have you checked the website to see what the status of driver support is on that card?
[10:20:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: ok so my 16:9 hdtv will beable to do it fullscreen (as in full 16:9)
[10:20:00] simon_c: Dagmar: No mention of linux on the hauppage website,
[10:20:00] simon_c: Dagmar: ivtv. I think it might. Need to do some reading around before ordering one I guess :-)
[10:21:00] Dagmar: simon_c: I don't think it uses ivtv. I think it uses a slightly dodgier driver. See http://www.wi-bw.tfh-wildau.de/~pboettch/home/index.php
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[10:21:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Thanks.
[10:21:00] Dagmar: ...and here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB
[10:21:00] Dagmar: Google is the new god
[10:22:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I was considering the PCI version, not the USB version.
[10:22:00] Dagmar: The PCI version is likely MUCH easier to make go
[10:22:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Saves £10 too ;-)
[10:23:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Thanks for the feadback.
[10:24:00] Dagmar: Wow that card isn't cheap
[10:24:00] Dagmar: Nevermind I was looking at a horrible price for it
[10:25:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I've seen the hauppage nova-t for about £50 +TAX (UKP)
[10:25:00] Dagmar: simon_c: If you're serious about this, go to http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2005-May/001732.html ferret out the subscription address for that list and get on it to lurk for awhile
[10:25:00] Dagmar: They really need to make a dual-tuner digital card. Heh
[10:26:00] Dagmar: I think when my time comes to go digital I may just use the firewire port
[10:26:00] Dagmar: This Athlon3200+ should be close enough to obsolete to farm it out for that by then
[10:26:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I lurk on too many lists as it is..... But, I'll check it out. Thanks.
[10:26:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Gmail is all I gotta say about that
[10:27:00] Dagmar: I get >400 emails a day, and they jsut don't care
[10:27:00] simon_c: Dagmar: lol. Just use procmail filters on my home mail server. No worries.
[10:27:00] Dagmar: Ah yes, but when you're out and about, how do you get to your email?
[10:27:00] Dagmar: At one time I was going to go to the trouble of tying ssl-enabled imap into my port knocker so I could do it remotely, but now I'm lazy and I just go to the archive section on my gmail accouns
[10:28:00] simon_c: Forward an IMAP3 port over SSH
[10:28:00] lwizardl: (offtopic sorta) anyone here store dvds on their myhtv hd
[10:29:00] simon_c: Dagmar I just have SSH configured on a non-standard port, only allowing keyd access, Works from work, which is mainly the only place I'd want to read me emails from anyway.
[10:29:00] Dagmar: I use a custom port-knocker.
[10:29:00] Dagmar: I'm blatantly stomping all over SecureID's patents, too, I'm sure.
[10:29:00] simon_c: lwizardl: I've ripped a couple, but the myth-dvd stuff seems to fairly flakey as to when it decides it can read the DVD and when it can't
[10:30:00] simon_c: Dagmar: You comunist you !!
[10:30:00] Dagmar: Well, it's their fault for patenting something so obvious if I am doing that
[10:30:00] simon_c: lol
[10:30:00] lwizardl: simon_c: well i was thinking about using dvddecrypter to rip the files and then ftp them over to the mythtv box
[10:31:00] Dagmar: I just take epochtime and bastardize/round it to the nearest minute, then xor it with a unique number for me and use that to generate which ports to bang on
[10:31:00] simon_c: lwizardl: shoudl work.
[10:31:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Sounds pritty secure, even from a non-secure place.
[10:31:00] Dagmar: Every minute crond updates that on the host, as well as caches the last minute's numbers and the next minutes' numbers and watches all three sets
[10:32:00] Dagmar: It's just exposure-reduction. Nothing major
[10:32:00] lwizardl: simon_c: ok i'm sure mythtv supports folder.jpg images for folders
[10:32:00] Sungrazer: is the RSA algorithm patented? :-)
[10:32:00] Dagmar: Anyone who doens't know the sooper sekrit knock gets to talk to a perl script that just behaves like an sshd
[10:32:00] simon_c: Dagmar: The only time I'd need non-work access would be when I'm mobile. laptop->bluetooth->GPRS on the mobile->work's dialup, then IMAP over SSH again. Works well enough for me. But I don't pay the mobile bill ;-)
[10:32:00] Dagmar: RSA is patented, I'm pretty sure.
[10:32:00] Dagmar: However it's the use of time with a predermined key to generate a short token that I suspect SecureID has patented
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[10:33:00] Sungrazer: it's The RSA Public Key Cryptosystem is based on the coiled-up clock numbers Z/pqZ
[10:33:00] Dagmar: Sounds like you know more about it than I do.
[10:33:00] Dagmar: I just hacked enough stuff together to make it work for me
[10:34:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Still sounds pritty good. But, I've never received any port scans on the non-standard port I use for SSH, So, works for me. ;-)
[10:34:00] Sungrazer: yeah
[10:34:00] simon_c: lwizardl: Not sure.
[10:34:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Dude, if you were to put something on port 22 that just spits out SSH-1.99-OpenSSH and hangs up you'll get thousands of connections per week from Korea and China
[10:34:00] simon_c: lol
[10:34:00] Sungrazer: btdt
[10:35:00] Dagmar: Consequently my box winds up sending long log files to the abuse contacts for those countries
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[10:35:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Always thought I should sort out a tar-pit for those type of connects. But never got round to it.
[10:36:00] Sungrazer: fact: you cannot hook an unpatched computer up to the internet without some sort of firewall for more than 20 minutes (maybe less) without it getting infected with some sort of virus/trojan/spyware
[10:36:00] Dagmar: Tarpitting just slows them down but it doesn't really stop them.
[10:36:00] lwizardl: what filesystem does mythtv prefer?
[10:36:00] simon_c: Back on topic, is there a key binding to capture a new screenshot, to replace the current .jpg file used for the recording you are watching ?
[10:36:00] Dagmar: The little wankers will go into a ba-ang with a bootable CD and run scans all day
[10:36:00] simon_c: Dagmar: True
[10:36:00] Gumby: is there a specific mythtv module I need to have installed for mythtv-setup to actually see the pvr250? in the cards settings I can only choose V4L in the top dropdown box.
[10:36:00] Sungrazer: ext3 for data, jfs for video for isntance
[10:36:00] Dagmar: Gumby: Your mythtv binaries need to be compiled with --enable-ivtv
[10:37:00] Dagmar: THEN you'll see the option for the Hauppage PVR cards appear
[10:37:00] simon_c: reiserfs for me.
[10:37:00] Sungrazer: btw, anyone know if the Hauppage Nexus-S is using the ivtv drivers?
[10:37:00] Gumby: Dagmar: the debs from dijkstra.csh.rit.edu arent?
[10:38:00] Sungrazer: looking to get one of those soon
[10:38:00] simon_c: but the video files are on a different box to the main backend.
[10:38:00] Dagmar: Gumby: I dunno man. I build mine from source tarballs.
[10:38:00] Gumby: Dagmar: allright, thx
[10:38:00] simon_c: (I really should make the box with the disks a backend with no tuner. I'm sure when I'm watching from a differnt frontend, there's a double network hop.
[10:39:00] Dagmar: Gumby: If you can figure out how to rebuild a deb (someone in #Debian can point you in the right direction for sure) you should be able to see what is necessary.
[10:39:00] Dagmar: simon_c: double hop? How so?
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[10:39:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: you seem to know alot about mythtv
[10:40:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I thought myth used the "myth://" protocol to talk to the backend to serve the data-stream up. The backend then uses NFS to get the files from the backend server.
[10:40:00] simon_c: Maybe I'm getting confused.
[10:40:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Are you running your network on flaky cat-3 wire?
[10:40:00] Dagmar: 10base-T should be sufficiently fast to deal with that
[10:41:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I dont' think so. It's cat5, but some of the cabels are home made, as they are longish, and snake around skirting boards etc.
[10:41:00] simon_c: and there's two switches in place. But the 34Mbsec speed is staying on one switch.
[10:41:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Well, I'm runing the backend on the storage device and I don't have NFS installed at all yet
[10:42:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: I have had to practically reverse engineer some of how it works lately. I'm working up a set of binaries for Slackware/Dropline that I'm going to post up before Christmas
[10:42:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Exactly, so the only way the FE will pick up the video is if the BE serves it up itself. But as my BE doesn't have the files locally, there's a double hop
[10:42:00] Dagmar: Most of what I have left to do now is just making the mysql part bulletproof
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[10:43:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I'm hopeing, after christmas, to get some time to try to document the database design, and try to make it easier for ppl to write cool mythweb modules.
[10:43:00] Dagmar: The best way to break the whole thing is to have the mysql server go down uncleanly, and then try to use the tables again in that tainted state.
[10:43:00] simon_c: My knowledge of c/c++ is very limited, but web scripting and databases I can do. :-)
[10:44:00] Dagmar: I've got someone's perl script from some site called forevermore.net or something... is that you
[10:44:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Ahhh. That's worth knowing. So I should be doing nightly backups of the database.
[10:44:00] simon_c: Dagmar: No. Not done anything down that line yet.
[10:44:00] jave: i have a mythgame problem. I cant start mame games from the "mame system" menu. I only get the year menus, and under the years the categories. but no games. If I, however, make each game a favorite, by modifying the db, I an play games from the favorite manu.
[10:44:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: ok becuase i'm wanting to either setup 2 machines (1 frontend & 1 backend storage) or 1 machine with multiple hd's
[10:44:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I've ported the AtRPMs FC4 RPMs to suse10.0 but that's about it so far.
[10:44:00] Dagmar: Ah... I will have to make sure to track down whoever owns http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/ so I can stick proper credit in the packages
[10:45:00] Dagmar: That perl script seems to reliably unbreak the databases when I brutally terminate my mysqld
[10:45:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Cooll
[10:45:00] Dagmar: I'm going to have to try for some more drastic measures (like just wiping the databases out completely) before I'm happy with the way I've got it working
[10:46:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Port the database to an oracle cluster  ? ;-)
[10:47:00] Dagmar: Anyone who needs oracle clustering for their myth database needs to get out of the house more often.
[10:47:00] simon_c: Dagmar: ;-)
[10:47:00] Dagmar: Seriously I find MythTV a lot more liveable than a TiVo.
[10:48:00] Dagmar: Having a TiVo after about a month is like having a crack dealer pushing TV programs on you
[10:48:00] lwizardl: well currently i'm a replaytv user
[10:48:00] Dagmar: It *knows* what you want to watch, and it will record it all, relentlessly.
[10:48:00] Dagmar: I liked the Replay my old housemate had.
[10:48:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I've never had a tivo. Got a sky+ box though. The current main use of the myth setup is to archive sky+ programs.
[10:48:00] Dagmar: We had a lot of fun with DVArchive. I just wish the Replay units had more robust hardware. Getting the videos off the machine takes agges
[10:49:00] simon_c: But, I want to get my mythsetup as good as sky+, (in my GF's opponion) so I can get rid of it, and cut down the sky subscription.
[10:49:00] Dagmar: simon_c: The Tivo's program selection is evil. After awhile it starts to recognize subtleties like you like movies about giant killer robots, but not movies about giant killer mutants.
[10:49:00] simon_c: Dagmar: lol re pushing programs.
[10:49:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: yeah but if youhave a 5504 unit and turn off the replaytv you can download the videos at 1.5mbps
[10:50:00] Dagmar: ...and if you let it run amok on digital cable, it will pick up so many things you've never heard of that after awhile it will start presenting you with 8–12 hours of stuff you're going to desperately want to watch, every bloody day
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[10:51:00] Dagmar: We were also very fond of DVArchive's ability to change channels and such without having to hunt down the remote control.
[10:51:00] simon_c: Dagmar: It sounds like such a good idea though. But I can see where you're comming from.
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[10:52:00] Dagmar: simon_c: It's basically _freebasing_ television
[10:52:00] Dagmar: Not healthy.
[10:52:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: yeah if i can get mythtv to act like all te stuff my replaytv does and then somemore
[10:52:00] Dagmar: I would just rather miss some things by never knowing about them so I can go out and get some drinking and skirt-chasing done
[10:52:00] lwizardl: i'l be in love
[10:52:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: Good luck on the screensaver front then
[10:53:00] simon_c: lol
[10:53:00] lwizardl: Dagmar: as long as i can get the screen to dim after being paused for so long thats fine with me
[10:53:00] lwizardl: thats what my xbox xbmc does
[10:53:00] Dagmar: I rather liked that feature of the Replay. I actually uploaded tons of MMORPG game screenshots into our DVArchive machine for that
[10:54:00] lwizardl: i don't have a photo partition on mine
[10:54:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: I acutally know enough C to *maybe* be able to get it to send signals to XScreenSaver, but it would require chasing down all the function hooks first
[10:54:00] lwizardl: i would rather use the space for more videos
[10:54:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but pictures don't take up nearly as much space as videos
[10:54:00] Dagmar: Like, every screenshot I've ever taken from every MMORPG I've played just now starts coming close to filling a DVD
[10:55:00] simon_c: Dagmar: On the FE on a laptop in the kids room, I had to delete *every* screen saver file I could, cos the damn thing was always enabling the screen saver.
[10:55:00] Dagmar: ...and I took TONS of pictures during the WoW beta
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[10:56:00] Dagmar: simonC: Good thing that has an LCD display. Don't do that with a CRT. They *will* burn in
[10:56:00] Dagmar: It'll take about two months, but it will happen
[10:57:00] simon_c: Both the main boxes output to TVs. to they are on off/standby when not watching anything.
[10:57:00] Dagmar: Cool.
[10:57:00] simon_c: Although, that does remind me of one problem the other half keeps nagging me about.
[10:57:00] Daehenoc: Hello all
[10:58:00] Dagmar: What problem is that?
[10:58:00] simon_c: The laptop in the kids room is using a VGA-TV converter, and some programs (cartoons of kipper the dog) the colors are wrong.
[10:58:00] simon_c: they seem very over intense.
[10:58:00] simon_c: the white is very white, and yellow is very yellow.
[10:58:00] Dagmar: Is it one of those $35 jobbies that is about the size of a pack of smokes?
[10:58:00] Daehenoc: The converter may be making an incorrect guess about the hue component of the signal?
[10:58:00] lwizardl: so what would be better 1 mythtv box with multiple drives or 2 systems hooked up using cat5
[10:58:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Yep. Well, it listed for £80 in maplin, but was in the bargin bin for £20
[10:59:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: That depends, but for most purposes one box should be sufficient.
[10:59:00] simon_c: lwizardl: Depends how noisy the drivers are.
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[10:59:00] lwizardl: simon_c: thinking x4 250gb 7200rpm
[10:59:00] simon_c: I *alway* seem to by damn noisy drivres. So the disk box is under the stairs. The main FE only has a 2.5" 10G disk in it
[11:00:00] Dagmar: You *might* want to look into slapping some renice commands in so that transcoding jobs can't lag it, but I'm not kidding when I say the first two weeks I was working on this, I had the everything running on my Athlon1800+ with 768Mb of RAM, and it would record stuff while I was compiling kernels without every noticeably slowing things down
[11:00:00] Daehenoc: I've got a Compro DVB-T300 and Debian Testing, and udev isn't making /dev/dbv despite saa7134 and saa7134-dvb loading successfully – anyone experienced anything similar?
[11:00:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: Could be, yes.
[11:00:00] Dagmar: hardware compression on the tuners helps out *hugely*
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[11:00:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: That hardware is kinda new/rare so there may just not be rules for it in your udev.
[11:01:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: thanks – lucky me :)
[11:01:00] Dagmar: Gimme a sec, I might be able to tell you what file to tamper with
[11:01:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: With filmed programs, it seems to look OK. It's only cartoons that throw it.
[11:01:00] Dagmar: We went through some hell with udev awhile back and I still remember some of it
[11:01:00] Dagmar: simon_c: It's probably emitting an s-video signal that's too hot
[11:01:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: the merciful amnesia hasn't struck yet, huh?
[11:02:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: Not amnesia so much as I see way too much of what goes on inside my machines to keep track of it all in my head.
[11:02:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I'm using the Composite out, plugged into a SCART converter on the TV.
[11:02:00] Daehenoc: simon_c: Bummer, I haven't used any VGA-TV converters, sorry
[11:02:00] Dagmar: simon_c: OOf. Too many cooks I think
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[11:03:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: No worries. I was wondering if any of the playback filters would help at all.
[11:03:00] lwizardl: simon_c: does that tv have component ?
[11:03:00] simon_c: lwizardl: ??
[11:03:00] Dagmar: simon_c: You could try manually desaturating the image a bit
[11:03:00] simon_c: Dagmar: With the TV controls you meen ?
[11:03:00] Daehenoc: Dagmer: /etc/udev# grep saa * -r shows me this:
[11:04:00] lwizardl: simon_c: the tv you bought the vga-tv box for
[11:04:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: Look in what *should* be /etc/udev/ at rules.d/udev.rules and udev.conf
[11:04:00] Dagmar: Or any of the rules files acutally.
[11:04:00] Daehenoc: (one line) scripts/inputdev.sh:DEFAULT_KEYWORDS='dvb|saa7134'
[11:04:00] simon_c: lwizardl: I dont' know what you mean by " does that tv have component" Component what ?
[11:04:00] Dagmar: Dig in there and look for where it's got the hooks for some other module, clone what it's doing and tailor it to fit for that module
[11:04:00] CanadaBoy: hey anyone use xine with mytht video here?
[11:04:00] lwizardl: video hookup rgb
[11:05:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: thanks, having a dig now
[11:05:00] simon_c: lwizardl: No. Only two scart sockets on the back.
[11:05:00] simon_c: CanadaBoy: Not much.
[11:05:00] lwizardl: ok crap
[11:05:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: Once you get over the slightly abstract format, it's not too hard to figure out how it ties together
[11:05:00] CanadaBoy: simon_c
[11:05:00] CanadaBoy: simon_c: so no then?
[11:05:00] Dagmar: CanadaBoy: I've used it with Myth
[11:05:00] Dagmar: I'm configuring mine to use Totem currently, tho.
[11:06:00] simon_c: I have for DVD playback, but I've not tried to get it workting with my remote yet, or with ripped dvds/
[11:06:00] lwizardl: simon_c: i'm just going to buy these for my tv http://www.buyextras.com/hdvgato3rcac.html
[11:06:00] Dagmar: ...mainly because I've probably put 150 man hours into making sure freaking totem works right
[11:07:00] Dagmar: lwizardl: I just went out and spent $100 on a 20" TV with s-video input. It was time anyway.
[11:07:00] simon_c: Well, the laptop has a 7 pin svideo out (custom dell cable needed), and I *eventully* got that to work with windows, but on trying to get it working with linux, on this old laptop..... It was a non-starter.
[11:08:00] Dagmar: I felt a little weird about having a 19" monitor and a 19" TV from 1995
[11:08:00] simon_c: It's an very old P3–500Mhz laptop.
[11:08:00] lwizardl: this is my tv http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006JBK5/1 . . . amp;v=glance
[11:08:00] Dagmar: simon_c: It didn't just twinview the display?
[11:08:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Not in linux, to the svideo port, no.
[11:09:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Twin-viewed it to VGA out, which is where the TV converter is hanging off.
[11:09:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Weird. My Toshiba would do it without any effort. It would screw up my framebuffer work if I had it connected actually
[11:10:00] Dagmar: Lemme guess... ATI Rage Mobility chipset
[11:10:00] simon_c: Dagmar: It's an old rage mobility P/M agp card on the motherboard. Yes
[11:10:00] simon_c: Old dell Latitude C.
[11:10:00] Dagmar: dinga ding ding. Yeah, ATI chipsets can be pretty hostile.
[11:10:00] simon_c: A pile of crap. But free.
[11:10:00] Dagmar: At least nVidia's are just arcane in their configuration at timees
[11:11:00] Dagmar: I'm good at this stuff but whenever I get the s-video out working on nVidia I am still saying to myself "aha that did it... now what did I just do?"
[11:11:00] simon_c: Dagmar: Lol
[11:12:00] Dagmar: I need to beg/borrow/steal a connection diagram showing which parts of X are talking to what at which times
[11:12:00] simon_c: THe main backend is a nvidia, and using composite out, it "just worked".
[11:12:00] Dagmar: You have an nVidia card with composite out?
[11:13:00] simon_c: Still need to figure out how to tweak the font DPI setting in KDE's startup scripts though.
[11:13:00] Dagmar: I thought they were all S-video. That's nice
[11:13:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I think so. yes. Maybe I used a converter. I'd have to check and the box is at home.
[11:13:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Yep. That will suck. fontconfig is pretty tetchy about dpi changes
[11:13:00] simon_c: Dagmar: It's a VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) card though.
[11:14:00] Dagmar: I am very glad I have an MSI board in the dedicated box.
[11:14:00] simon_c: If I start X manually with something like X -dpi 100 (or whatever the command was) it works, but that doesn't tie into KDE/KDM's auto-start/login in anyway.
[11:14:00] Dagmar: That thing I can change the bios boot splash on.
[11:14:00] simon_c: :-)
[11:14:00] Dagmar: I have tried four times now to add a boot splash module to the BIOS on this asrock board and clearly I am doing something very wrong
[11:15:00] Dagmar: Note if you ever screw around with your BIOS that way, make sure you can do the emergency BIOS reflash trick
[11:15:00] simon_c: ;-)
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[11:16:00] Dagmar: On (*most*) AMI boards, for instance, you can copy the BIOS to a blank DOS floppy as "amibios.rom" with it being the ONLY thing on the disk, stick the disk in, *power the machine on* and start pressing CTRL and HOME at the same time as fast as you can
[11:16:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for here, there is a devfs.rules and a udev.rules file, both of which seem to contain a line which looks like it should create /dev/dvb/adapter(x)?
[11:16:00] Dagmar: There's like a 1/4 second window of time you have after powerup, but it will read the BIOS from the disk and copy it to the flash and then emit four beeps
[11:17:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: Then make sure the module names that are there match exactly what modules you're loading is all I can suggest
[11:17:00] simon_c: Dagmar: nice
[11:17:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: thanks
[11:18:00] Dagmar: simon_c: Necessary when you're screwing around and making BIOS images that are more likely to kill your motherboard than anything else.
[11:18:00] Dagmar: amibcp and cbrom work on a mostly basis
[11:18:00] simon_c: Dagmar: I don't hack at that level.
[11:18:00] simon_c: messing around with spec files is about as deap as I get.
[11:19:00] Dagmar: simon_c: I don't normally either, but I started back in the 80s with a TI-99/4a and then a C=64 and C=128D so most of the low level stuff isn't too far from the way I coded when I was a kid
[11:19:00] simon_c: lol
[11:20:00] Daehenoc: Dagmer: ahh, the glory days
[11:20:00] Dagmar: There are just so many ways that numbers can be stored in eight-bit buckets, and after awhile you get the hang of figuring out what's getting stashed where is all
[11:20:00] Dagmar: Daehenoc: Man, both my commodores died from excess modification, although I resurrected the 128 four or five times
[11:20:00] Daehenoc: Spectrum128 was my first :)
[11:20:00] Sungrazer: grrr – I cannot find packages for 2.6.14–1.1637_FC4
[11:21:00] Dagmar: I almost miss having a computer that I can take a soldering pencil to
[11:21:00] Daehenoc: lol
[11:21:00] Sungrazer: I got an old VIC-20 somewhere
[11:21:00] ** simon_c still has a ZX spectrum in the loft somewhere. And an atari ST 512 fm **
[11:21:00] Sungrazer: first computer I ever tried was the ZX1
[11:21:00] Dagmar: I say *almost* tho. Just looking at SMT components makes my eyes water now. Those are far too small to do anything other than bin the board when those go bad
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[11:22:00] ** simon_c remembers a temping job checking the quality of surface mounted solderig on mobile phone boards. **
[11:22:00] simon_c: Damn that hurt my eyes after a day of that.
[11:22:00] Dagmar: I'm perfectly happy just to take my $50 and buy a new board. Heh
[11:23:00] Dagmar: I started to try to switch over to SMT for about six months time
[11:23:00] Daehenoc: I went to the Tait Electronics manufacturing plant in NZ once, saw a machine (in operation!) which placed eight SMD components a second – they were trashing it for one which did 16 components a second...
[11:23:00] Sungrazer: I just installed a fresh FC4 and did a yum upgrade before I went about installing yum mythtv-suite ... now a lot of the packages for mythtv aren't available – anyone know how fast they will be available
[11:23:00] simon_c: I can detect re-worked boards now though :-)Which is usefull when you get a replacement for a fault part ;-)
[11:23:00] Sungrazer: or should I go ahead and manually compile the stufff?
[11:23:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Have you tried the atRPMs mythTV stuff ? NOt sure it it's a YUM repository or not.
[11:24:00] Dagmar: ...and then I kept seeing colorful and joyous phrases like "emits toxic has when heated" and "work only under hood" and "burns skin on contact" and decided maybe I didn't need to possibly kill everyone in the apartment
[11:24:00] Dagmar: s/has/gas/
[11:24:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: it was the atRPMs, but you can use the with yum
[11:24:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Dont' know then, sorry.
[11:24:00] ** simon_c uses suse **
[11:24:00] Daehenoc: Dagmar: heh
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[11:25:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: crap. :-)
[11:31:00] Daehenoc: Hey how do you check which IRQs are assigned to which PCI cards (in Linux)?
[11:32:00] Sungrazer: lspci -v
[11:32:00] Daehenoc: Thanks Sungrazer
[11:32:00] FITH: Also, "cat /proc/interrupts"
[11:32:00] Dagmar: cat /proc/interrupts or poke around in /proc/pci
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[11:33:00] Daehenoc: Well, that's promising: 0000:01:07.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[11:33:00] Daehenoc: IRQ 201
[11:44:00] Sungrazer: sheite – this is annoying.
[11:44:00] Sungrazer: lirc wont compile :-S
[11:45:00] MeneMMateo: Gumby: Those should be fine, I've build three of those in the past. But now I just follow jarod's guide (wilsonet.com/mythtv)
[11:45:00] Sungrazer: and the yum repository is for the older kernel than what I have.
[11:47:00] Sungrazer: is there a way to use yum to downgrade to 2.6.13–1.1532_FC4? :-)
[11:48:00] simon_c: Dagmar: You mentioned you had used an old tosh laptop too. Which one was that ?
[11:49:00] simon_c: I've an old 7020CT here, with a docking station with a composite out on it. Any ideas if that's an "easy" job to get tvout working ?
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[11:51:00] Sungrazer: hehe – seems to be more questions than answers here on the average. :-D
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[11:52:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Nah. On average there are more questions than answers on this channel.
[11:53:00] Sungrazer: ah, that's what I meant to say. Sorry, english isn't my native language.
[11:54:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: You misunderstand.
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[11:54:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: my point was, it's normal for there to be more questions than answers.
[11:54:00] Sungrazer: I guess that's the nature of this kind of places. :-D
[11:54:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: So, there are not more questions than answers than average.
[11:54:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: ;-)
[11:54:00] Sungrazer: Hehe
[11:55:00] Sungrazer: I'll hand you an axe so you can do some more wordsplitting! :-D
[11:55:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Yes. The daft thing is, that 80% of the questions (including mine) are not myth related. But related to remote control, tvout, fonts, etc etc etc.
[11:55:00] Sungrazer: true
[11:55:00] ** simon_c splits hairs more than words. **
[11:56:00] Sungrazer: what's really buggering me is that last thursday I installed FC4 and mythtv and all packages was nice and dandy
[11:56:00] Sungrazer: then I decided to do a reinstall today. and the kernel and packages are now 1637_FC4
[11:56:00] Sungrazer: wich does not exist.
[11:56:00] Sungrazer: yet.
[11:57:00] simon_c: I'm supprised the myth stuff are kernel specific. But, maybe the ivtv stuff is
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[11:57:00] toom: cheers
[11:57:00] Sungrazer: ivtv and lirc and stuff
[11:57:00] Sungrazer: hey toom
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[11:59:00] toom: just switched on the new box
[11:59:00] Sungrazer: the atRPMS repositories only contain kernel modules for 2.6.13–1.1532_FC. I am currently running 2.6.14–1.1637_FC4 since I did a yum upgrade before I installed the mythtv-suite.
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[12:02:00] Sungrazer: and?! the suspense is killing us!
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[12:03:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: You could try downloading the .srpm and rebuilding it agains your kernel.
[12:03:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: will probably work.
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[12:04:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: not sure how do build a .srpm
[12:04:00] simon_c: rpmbuid -ba
[12:05:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: It's not hard. There will probably be a tonne of dependancies to install though.
[12:05:00] Sungrazer: cool – thanks – will give it a shot
[12:05:00] simon_c: takes about 90mins to build mythtv and mythplugins on my box. (p4 1.8)
[12:06:00] simon_c: but if it's the ivtv and lirc stuff, it will probably be shorter :-)
[12:06:00] Sungrazer: yeah, I got a Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
[12:06:00] Sungrazer: cat from /proc/cpuinfo
[12:07:00] Gumby: anyone here run debian and have a full mythtv backend setup using debs? Or is that not possible right now? The debs seem to be all mismatched versions
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[12:09:00] Sungrazer: crap. src.rpm does not appear to be a specfile.
[12:09:00] PaulWay: Any Australians here noticed problems with the NineMSN tv_grab_au
[12:09:00] Gumby: Sungrazer: the specfile is contained within the srpm
[12:10:00] Sungrazer: gumby: I donwloaded the srpm from the repository...
[12:10:00] Sungrazer: http://dl.atrpms.net/src/fc4-i386/atrpms/SRPMS.stable/ to be specific
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[12:11:00] Daehenoc: PaulWay: yes, there is a patch available on gossamer-threads.com
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[12:11:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: You install the .SRPM, which (on suse) puts everything under /usr/src/packages
[12:11:00] simon_c: the spec file is in /usr/src/packages/SPECS
[12:12:00] Daehenoc: PaulWay: NineMSN have used javascript to obscure the program information
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[12:12:00] simon_c: or, there's an option on rpmbuild to build from .srpm check the man page.
[12:12:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: ok, thought it was -ba :-) will check again
[12:12:00] Daehenoc: (not that I am up to that stage yet, still trying to get my Compro DVB-T300 to create /dev links!!)
[12:12:00] Daehenoc: grr
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[12:13:00] PaulWay: Daehenoc: TFT, looks like I'm going to have to patch the version I run...
[12:13:00] prologic: Hi, why am I getting bad flickering at the top on some of my recordings ?
[12:13:00] PaulWay: I should just convert to using the IceTV program guide...
[12:14:00] toom: do you guys recommend ext2/3 rather than reiser or xfs?
[12:15:00] PaulWay: Not for your video storage.
[12:15:00] Daehenoc: PaulWay: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/159499
[12:15:00] PaulWay: Make an LVM logical volume and put xfs on that.
[12:15:00] toom: why lvm?
[12:15:00] PaulWay: Daehenoc: Yeah, I'm reading that one.
[12:15:00] toom: there's just one disk
[12:15:00] Daehenoc: toom: so you can grow the partition across multiple disks without hassle
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[12:16:00] PaulWay: Because when you inevitably buy another drive to fit all your stuff on, it's easy to span the lvm across both.
[12:16:00] Daehenoc: (is one of the many benefits of LVM)
[12:16:00] PaulWay: You will _always_ end up getting more disk space.
[12:16:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: But if you loose one disk, it's all gone.
[12:16:00] toom: so..
[12:16:00] Daehenoc: toom: even though you have one disk atm, still use LVM
[12:16:00] simon_c: I'm planning on just moving & symlinking recordings when disk 1 runs low on space.
[12:17:00] Daehenoc: simon_c: sure, that's why you make a delicious sandwitch of md RAID and LVM ... yummy! :)
[12:17:00] PaulWay: simon_c: well, you can use lvm on mirroring. But toom's only got one disk ATM.
[12:17:00] toom: lvm for /usr isn't very good is it/
[12:17:00] ** simon_c is cheep **
[12:17:00] Daehenoc: heh
[12:17:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: Can't afford the disks right now.
[12:17:00] PaulWay: simon_c: That, in the words of mchou, is totally ghetto.
[12:17:00] Daehenoc: : rummages around ... here's a 3.2Gb!
[12:17:00] PaulWay: Plan ahead.
[12:18:00] PaulWay: Get the data off the current disk while it'll still fit on somewhere else, and make an LVM.
[12:18:00] simon_c: Before the disk server became the disk server, it was running radi0+LVM But, ended up tearing it down cos I needed the space.
[12:18:00] PaulWay: I was lucky, I was able to borrow a spare 250GB disk from work and only had 12GB of spare space on it when creating my 400GB LV.
[12:19:00] toom: well. i've got a 160gig harddisk. how much would you dedicate to the storage partition? there needs to be other stuff like webserver, running
[12:19:00] toom: maybe i should create an lvm for /usr
[12:19:00] PaulWay: With LVM spanning and SMART monitoring, you're able to recover from a disk starting to go bad on you anyway.
[12:20:00] PaulWay: I usually set up 100mb for boot, 1GB for swap, 20–30GB for root and the rest for /opt, which is where everything else gets put.
[12:20:00] toom: can i convert a partition into an lvm?
[12:20:00] toom: or does it need to be formated?
[12:20:00] PaulWay: You can't 'convert it', but you can make a partition a PV, yes.
[12:21:00] simon_c: 10 GB for the system. Everything else for disk storage. IMO
[12:21:00] PaulWay: Whatever :-)
[12:21:00] PaulWay: Either way, make the rest of your drive into space in your LVM, and start from there.
[12:21:00] toom: ok, i've got 250M for /, 32M for /boot, 4G for /var, 1G swap and 142G /usr
[12:22:00] PaulWay: No, way too small for /.
[12:22:00] PaulWay: Don't allocate a partition for var.
[12:22:00] toom: and /tmp linked to /var/tmp
[12:22:00] PaulWay: No point in these modern times.
[12:22:00] PaulWay: The fewer partitions you can get away with the better.
[12:23:00] toom: i don't want / to be so fat
[12:23:00] toom: maybe i'm a bit oldfashioned or just too bsd :)
[12:23:00] simon_c: IMO, just create swap / and /mythdata (or whereever you want to put it)
[12:24:00] PaulWay: I don't worry too much about it.
[12:24:00] PaulWay: Realistically, if you're running down to <10GB, you're already overdue for more disks anyway.
[12:24:00] PaulWay: Trying to squeeze that last GB out of a drive takes more effort than it's worth.
[12:25:00] PaulWay: And I say that as someone who's done it far too often.
[12:25:00] Daehenoc: Oh, goody, I've only got a 40Gb drive ... lol
[12:25:00] PaulWay: ;-)
[12:25:00] PaulWay: Daehenoc: that's what I started with.
[12:25:00] PaulWay: And then I convinced SWMBO to allow the purchase of the 250GB.
[12:25:00] PaulWay: All part of my fiendish plan...
[12:26:00] PaulWay: Speaking of whom, I must grace her bed with my presence.
[12:26:00] Daehenoc: PaulWay: Good to know, I've gotta sell off some of the spare bits I have kicking around to enable the purchase of bigger disk :)
[12:26:00] Daehenoc: TMI!
[12:26:00] Daehenoc: :p
[12:26:00] PaulWay: Thanks for the headsup, Daehenoc. TMI? You wish :-)
[12:26:00] Daehenoc: nps, cya
[12:26:00] PaulWay: Y'all have fun now, y'hear?
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[12:27:00] toom: do i need to copy over /dev as well or does it create on boot?
[12:29:00] simon_c: toom: that's always confused me. I think taring it over works. copying probably doesn't.
[12:29:00] toom: hm, maybe i just should have extracted the base gentoo tarball..
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[12:34:00] ** Sungrazer bangs head towards the wall while rocking back and forth making strange moaning noises. **
[12:34:00] Sungrazer: I can't for the life of me extract a src.rpm – anyone care to explain slowly?
[12:34:00] Sungrazer: please?
[12:35:00] simon_c: rpm -ivh foo.SRPM
[12:35:00] simon_c: THis doens't effect your rpm database.
[12:35:00] simon_c: what I'm not sure about is where fc4 puts the files :-/
[12:36:00] Gumby: check in /usr/src/RPM
[12:36:00] toom: haha
[12:36:00] toom: i've got a /dev :)
[12:36:00] Gumby: /dev gets created on boot
[12:37:00] toom: well. than i'm gonna have two :)
[12:37:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: erh – i got 100% but what the hell did it do! :-D
[12:37:00] Gumby: no you wont
[12:37:00] Gumby: its read only
[12:37:00] Gumby: you cant write to /dev
[12:38:00] toom: so delete it?
[12:38:00] toom: it's a gentoo
[12:38:00] toom: not a bsd (unfortunately)
[12:39:00] toom: didn't have time to learn much about gentoo, since i just figured out that i need to use it a week ago
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[12:42:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: You should be able to CD into the SPECS directory, and then do "rpmbuild -ba foo.SPEC"
[12:42:00] simon_c: and get an entire list of dependancies you have to track down :-/
[12:43:00] Gumby: anyone here compile mythtv and have lirc support?
[12:44:00] Gumby: I have lircd running, but ./configure still shows "lirc no"
[12:44:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: I will try – if I can find out where the files went
[12:44:00] Gumby: Sungrazer: /usr/src/RPM/SPEC
[12:44:00] Gumby: something like that
[12:44:00] simon_c: Gumby: Don't you just add --enable-lirc ?
[12:44:00] Daehenoc: Gumby: sorry, still trying to get my DVB card working :/
[12:44:00] Gumby: simon_c: doenst look like it no
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[12:45:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: nothing there.
[12:45:00] simon_c: I compiled from SRPM, so I'm not sure. Maybe you need lirc-devel ?
[12:45:00] ** Sungrazer does find / -name lirc -print **
[12:45:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: like I said, I'm not sure where redhat puts their srpms when they are installed. Gumby sais /usr/src/RPM/SPEC
[12:46:00] Gumby: Sungrazer: prints about a dozen lines
[12:51:00] Sungrazer: gumby: yeah, uhm, sorry – it was me that did do that. I didn't want you to do it
[12:51:00] Sungrazer: sorry
[12:51:00] Gumby: hehe
[12:51:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: I am on Fedora FC4, and it puts them in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS
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[12:52:00] Gumby: oh well, I'll compile without lirc and see how it goes and then recompile later with lirc
[12:53:00] simon_c: Ahhh. so the spec file should be in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/SPECS then I guess
[12:53:00] Sungrazer: yup
[12:53:00] Sungrazer: how do I go about when I've gotten so far?
[12:53:00] simon_c: rpmbuild -ba whatever.SPEC
[12:54:00] ** Sungrazer sighs error: line 1: Unknown tag: %kmdl lirc **
[12:55:00] Gumby: anyone here know/remember the application that will show you keypresses from a remote?
[12:55:00] simon_c: Gumby: ircat
[12:55:00] Gumby: its an X app
[12:55:00] simon_c: xmode2
[12:55:00] Gumby: hrm, wasnt thinking of either of those
[12:55:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Hummm.
[12:56:00] Sungrazer: gumby: irw?
[12:57:00] Gumby: nope, wasnt it either
[12:57:00] Gumby: man, my memory sucks
[12:57:00] simon_c: Gumby: what are you trying to do ?
[12:57:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: I am tempted to just do a reinstall of the machine, do a yum mythtv-suite and then yum upgrade
[12:58:00] Gumby: simon_c: well, trying to figure out if my remote is being received by the receiver
[12:58:00] simon_c: and if it upgrades the kernel, it will still break the RPMs that depend on the earlier kernel version.
[12:58:00] Sungrazer: yeah, you're right. sheite
[12:58:00] simon_c: mode2 or xmode2 will do that. They should the pattern of what is being received.
[12:58:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Just pin your kernel until the RPMs you need have been updated. I assume you can do that in yum.
[12:59:00] Gumby: ah yes... its called xev
[13:00:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: I wish I knew how. I am of the old school and used to compile everthing manuall and I have just recently begun using yum
[13:00:00] simon_c: I'm sure there's a list or regexes not to update via YUM. I've not looked into yum much, but I remember that.
[13:01:00] Gumby: ok, so lirc works. xev picks up the keypresses just fine. for some dumb reason mythtv wont compile with lirc support
[13:01:00] simon_c: Gumby: What distro ?
[13:02:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: thanks for your patience. I will look into it when I get home.... sitting ssh'ed into my box at home now. :-D
[13:02:00] Gumby: simon_c: debian
[13:02:00] simon_c: Gumby: I know suse splits out lirc and lirc-devel so you need the -devel modules to actually compile lirc into it.
[13:02:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: No worries.
[13:02:00] Daehenoc: Anyone know where I could find the major and minor numbers for the Compro DVB-T300?? :)
[13:02:00] Gumby: simon_c: yeah, I checked. I didnt see any devel packages for lirc
[13:02:00] simon_c: Gumby: I don't have a clue
[13:02:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: Sorry I coudln't help more.
[13:02:00] Gumby: me neither :(
[13:02:00] Gumby: and the debian packages are busted it seems
[13:02:00] Gumby: they arent official
[13:03:00] simon_c: Gumby: I've a line in my spec file "%{!?_without_lirc:--enable-lirc}%{?_without_lirc:--disable-lirc}"
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[13:03:00] toom: damn, that takes ages to copy over /usr via usb1.1
[13:03:00] Daehenoc: I've established that the saa7134 module and the saa7134-dvb module appear to load correctly, but there's no /etc/udev/rules.d/saa7134 file, so I've copied across the /dev/.static/dvb directory structure
[13:03:00] simon_c: Gumby: which seems to say, unless the RPM option without_lirc is there, use the --enable-lirc option to ./configure.
[13:04:00] simon_c: I'm very supprised that doesn't work if you're building from source. But I've no idea on rebuilding debs.
[13:04:00] Daehenoc: But the major and minor node numbers are probably not correct for a Compro DVB-T300, so...
[13:04:00] simon_c: .debs are a black art to me.
[13:04:00] Gumby: simon_c: ./configure --help doesnt even list that as an option.
[13:05:00] simon_c: Gumby: I bet it is an option though. It was on 0.18.1 anyway.
[13:05:00] Daehenoc: simon_c: .debs are pretty simple – it's a package that contains files and scripts to install your software. You can pull them apart and get to the files and scripts and see what it is doing.
[13:05:00] Gumby: simon_c: not what ./configure --help says
[13:06:00] Gumby: lol
[13:06:00] simon_c: Daehenoc: OK. SHould have said I've never got to grips with the tool that manages .debs. *that* black magic to me ;-)
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[13:06:00] Daehenoc: hehe
[13:06:00] Daehenoc: Well, thanks all, going to crash out myself... nite nite
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[13:15:00] toom: what does that mean? /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[13:15:00] toom: when i run grub-install /dev/hda
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[13:20:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: heh – I did a yum install lirc just for kicks and now it seems to be installing the package I just downloaded
[13:21:00] Sungrazer: after i did as you suggested with the rpm -ivh *.src.rpm
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[13:27:00] [_]illogic-al: hi, could someone help me with setting up the sound mixer for mythtv?
[13:27:00] [_]illogic-al: I/m trying to use alsa instead of oss so the device isn't /dev/mixer anymore.
[13:27:00] [_]illogic-al: but i don't know what it's supposed to be.
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[13:29:00] simon_c: Sungrazer: :-)
[13:31:00] Sungrazer: simon_c: alas, it still didn't build the darn thing ... seems like I need to do a rmpbuild -ba lirc.spec
[13:32:00] Sungrazer: which have two dependies
[13:33:00] Sungrazer: installed them – and now it is going like craaaaazy
[13:33:00] Sungrazer: woohoo
[13:37:00] Sungrazer: argh: FATAL: Module lirc_i2c not found.
[13:37:00] Sungrazer: FATAL: Error running install command for lirc_i2c
[13:40:00] Sungrazer: I give up – for now
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[13:42:00] jd86: g'morning
[13:44:00] Sungrazer: 'lo
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[13:49:00] malaTG: any news on the 0.19 release?
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[13:55:00] [_]illogic-al: anyone know the mixer device?
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[14:07:00] toom: yey, gentoo's running
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[14:15:00] Krazylegz: toom: Just Gentoo, or Myth on Gentoo?
[14:15:00] toom: just gentoo :)
[14:15:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[14:16:00] toom: now i need to compile myth while configuring the video and tv card
[14:17:00] taotao: Hey, any once can help me with MythTv and DirectFB?
[14:17:00] laga: taotao: maybe.
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[14:17:00] taotao: thnx. I got mythtv+qte+directfb.
[14:18:00] taotao: i manage to run mythtv with qte with no problem
[14:18:00] taotao: all gui works fine
[14:18:00] taotao: I manage to run mplayer with directfb perfectly
[14:18:00] taotao: when I switch to live-tv in mplayer i get a blank screen
[14:18:00] toom: how can i see if hda is doing dma?
[14:18:00] taotao: any clues?
[14:19:00] laga: live-tv in mplayer?
[14:19:00] taotao: BTW: i need to run mplayer with -vo directfb:layer=0
[14:19:00] taotao: yes
[14:19:00] taotao: live tv in mplayer works great
[14:19:00] toom: ah, hdparm
[14:19:00] taotao: mplayer -vo directfb:layer=0 /dev/video0 works like a charm
[14:20:00] taotao: i need the layer=0 arg regardless of the primary-layer parem in /etc/direcfbrc
[14:20:00] taotao: ...
[14:20:00] taotao: I think that mythtv uses the wrong layer or soemthing
[14:21:00] taotao: because if I specify a different layer arg for mplayer i get the same blank screen
[14:21:00] taotao: :(
[14:21:00] laga: i don't know. i don't believe that directfb support in mythtv is very mature
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[14:21:00] toom: arghl
[14:21:00] toom: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[14:21:00] laga: maybe you can hack the source code to use layer=0=
[14:21:00] laga: ?
[14:21:00] taotao: tried that
[14:21:00] taotao: don't know exactly where
[14:22:00] taotao: mplayer and mythtv are too different in using directfb
[14:22:00] laga: neither do i
[14:22:00] taotao: any other clues/pointers?
[14:23:00] taotao: do you know whether someone has managed the mythtv/directfb/matroxg550 config?
[14:23:00] laga: i thought the directfb stuff in mythtv was stolen from mplayer
[14:23:00] Krazylegz: toom: Make sure you're root, then you can do something like hdparm -i /dev/hda .
[14:23:00] laga: taotao: search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[14:24:00] toom: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4 udma5
[14:24:00] taotao: laga, thanks tried that list. no luck so far. and yes directfb stuff was stolen from mythtv
[14:24:00] taotao: sorry from mplayer...
[14:24:00] Krazylegz: Well, I think you want something like hdparm -d 1 to set DMA on.
[14:24:00] taotao: but still it's still do different
[14:24:00] toom: strange
[14:25:00] laga: taotao: complain to the -dev list? ;)
[14:26:00] toom: why does hdparm -i tell me, that it's running in udma4 and hdparm without i sais: using_dma = 0
[14:27:00] Krazylegz: You can run that mode without DMA on?
[14:27:00] toom: which mode?
[14:27:00] toom: udma4?
[14:27:00] Krazylegz: Right.
[14:27:00] toom: don't think so ;)
[14:27:00] Krazylegz: I don't really know how that works.
[14:27:00] toom: is that reasonable: Timing buffered disk reads: 12 MB in 3.57 seconds = 3.36 MB/sec
[14:28:00] Dagmar: lol
[14:28:00] Dagmar: No
[14:28:00] Krazylegz: I know you can turn off DMA with hdparm, but not sure if it actually turns it off or not, depending on which mode you set it to.
[14:28:00] Krazylegz: No, not reasonable.
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[14:28:00] Krazylegz: I thought Gentoo was so fast? :-P
[14:28:00] Dagmar: It sounds like you're using a 40pin IDE cable or something
[14:29:00] toom: maybe i forgot a kernel option
[14:29:00] toom: and no, i'm using a 80 pin
[14:30:00] Krazylegz: Timing cached reads: 412 MB in 2.01 seconds = 205.42 MB/sec
[14:30:00] Krazylegz: Timing buffered disk reads: 90 MB in 3.07 seconds = 29.36 MB/sec
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[14:31:00] toom: Timing cached reads: 660 MB in 2.01 seconds = 328.66 MB/sec
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[14:32:00] toom: i can set -X69 which is udma5 but not enable it
[14:32:00] Krazylegz: Does the drive support it?
[14:32:00] Krazylegz: Also, try hdparm -tT /dev/hda to do both types of tests at the same time.
[14:33:00] toom: i did both at the same time
[14:33:00] toom: just didn't paste the cached one
[14:33:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[14:33:00] Krazylegz: Embarrassed? :-)
[14:33:00] toom: in that case i would have pasted the other one :)
[14:33:00] toom: first
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[14:34:00] Dagmar: Something is *wrong* to only get 3MB/sec
[14:34:00] Krazylegz: So, hdparm /dev/hda says using_dma = 0 ?
[14:34:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, my system is by no means fast.
[14:34:00] Dagmar: You should be able to get ~16Mb/sec without DMA
[14:34:00] Krazylegz: That wasn't even my Mythbox, which is faster.
[14:34:00] Dagmar: On a celery 400 even
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[14:35:00] toom: well, the harddisk is 1 day old
[14:35:00] toom: it's a seagate baracuda
[14:35:00] Dagmar: I have a Pentium 150Mhz notebook that does 12MB/sec
[14:35:00] Krazylegz: Put the output from hdparm -iI /dev/hda into pastebin.
[14:36:00] Dagmar: toom: Without you ever telling it anything it should automatically run properly then. Do that pastebin thing
[14:36:00] Dagmar: It's been _years_ since i"ve had to force anything with hdparm.
[14:36:00] Dagmar: Right now, with nothing ever being said to it, this is my older WD IDE drive...
[14:36:00] Dagmar: Timing cached reads: 2416 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1206.98 MB/sec
[14:36:00] Dagmar: Timing buffered disk reads: 140 MB in 3.02 seconds = 46.40 MB/sec
[14:37:00] toom: http://pastebin.ca/28359
[14:39:00] toom: maybe the kernel didn't get the ide bus driver loaded?
[14:39:00] Krazylegz: You're saying that hdparm -X69 /dev/hda doesn't work?
[14:39:00] toom: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[14:39:00] Krazylegz: Right, you can pass that option at boot.
[14:39:00] toom: -X69 works, but i can't enable it using -d1
[14:40:00] toom: and -X69 doesn't enable it
[14:40:00] toom: dmesg also sais: ide0: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional.
[14:40:00] Krazylegz: There ya go.
[14:40:00] toom: MB problem?
[14:40:00] Dagmar: You should try _just_ setting it to udma5
[14:40:00] toom: i did
[14:41:00] Dagmar: ugh
[14:41:00] toom: i try 2
[14:41:00] Dagmar: What disk controller chipset are you using?
[14:41:00] toom: that's what i am trying to find out
[14:42:00] Dagmar: For it to say that about the 33Mhz system bus speed is normal
[14:43:00] Dagmar: Practically the very next thing you should see in the syslog after that is the driver for the IDE controller kicking in
[14:44:00] toom: does that help: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[14:44:00] Krazylegz: I used to do ide-bus=66 in my bootloader, or something like that.
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[14:45:00] toom: how do i find out which chipset i have?
[14:45:00] Dagmar: THAT is the generic crap driver
[14:45:00] Dagmar: lspci -v | grep IDE
[14:45:00] toom: 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
[14:46:00] Krazylegz: toom: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_hdparm_to_im . . . MA_.28-d1.29
[14:46:00] toom: HA
[14:46:00] toom:
[14:47:00] toom: that's the current kernel config
[14:47:00] Dagmar: Okay, in the "ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support" portion of the kernel config, you need to turn on that last option under PCI IDE chipset support. "VIA82CXXX chipset support". Just build it right into the kernel.
[14:47:00] toom: :)
[14:47:00] Dagmar: Above that there are two other things I want you to make sure you have set
[14:48:00] Dagmar: Actually, just one I guess... "Use PCI DMA by default when available" should also be *on* all the time
[14:48:00] toom: that is on
[14:48:00] Dagmar: The other semi-optional thing of "Use multi-mode by default" shouldn't break things either way
[14:48:00] toom: so i don't need the generic support any more?
[14:48:00] Dagmar: But turn on that VIA chipset support and rebuild your kernel.
[14:48:00] Dagmar: Keep Generic PCI bus-master DMA support
[14:49:00] Dagmar: You always want that on
[14:49:00] toom: ok, i don't need rz1000 :)
[14:49:00] Dagmar: ...other wise, the VIA driver you need *goes away*
[14:49:00] Dagmar: heh
[14:49:00] toom: multi-mode is enabled as well
[14:49:00] Dagmar: Good. Compile that config and boot it
[14:50:00] Dagmar: New (anything made after 2000) will always come up using the right modes unless something is physically wrong if you've got the right drivers loading.
[14:50:00] illogic-al: hey, whenever i try to record something it stops at the same point all the time.
[14:51:00] Dagmar: It's not so good to "experiment" with hdparm, because you can actually save the wrong settings as the new default drive settings
[14:51:00] illogic-al: It's get's to about 947 MB but there is still more space left on the HD
[14:51:00] illogic-al: why would I not be able to record the whole thing?
[14:51:00] Dagmar: illogic-al: Check your syslog. Disk errors would be likely culprits
[14:52:00] illogic-al: impossible. this is a new sata drive.
[14:52:00] Dagmar: ...or use dd to just write a file that uses up as much space as you can and see what happens
[14:52:00] Dagmar: It happens, it's just rare
[14:52:00] illogic-al: and i've have no trouble putting more than 50 GB of stuff on it already.
[14:52:00] toom: finished
[14:52:00] toom: that was too quick
[14:53:00] Dagmar: toom: Did you clear out the stale kernel stuff first?
[14:53:00] illogic-al: so this is a myth specific problem.
[14:53:00] Dagmar: illogic-al: Whatever you say. Personally I'd do at least one test to rule out operating-system and hardware issues
[14:53:00] Dagmar: Just because your drive can write to some cylinders doesn't mean it can write to all of them
[14:54:00] toom: make clean?
[14:54:00] Dagmar: toom: make mrproper
[14:54:00] illogic-al: i have, since other applications can write to the drive just fine.
[14:54:00] Dagmar: toom: But *back up your /usr/src/linux/.config* first
[14:54:00] Dagmar: toom: Copy it somewhere, make mrproper, copy it back and do `make oldconfig`. Then you can do the make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install
[14:55:00] Dagmar: illogic-al: Something might be wrong with your binary maybe
[14:55:00] Dagmar: I'm pushing 150Gb of storage on this disk and I don't think I have a single thing less than 1 Gb in size
[14:55:00] illogic-al: Dagmar: myth binary?
[14:56:00] toom: ok, it's making
[14:57:00] Dagmar: toom: It should "just work" on the next boot
[14:57:00] toom: we'll find that out soon
[14:57:00] Dagmar: ...provided there's not a lame CD-ROM drive as a slave on that same IDE cable
[14:57:00] toom: no, cdrom is on ide1
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[14:57:00] Dagmar: Good then. The only other thing I've ever seen that can make a drive go that slow is a misbehaving device on the bus with it
[14:58:00] toom: it's the only device :)
[14:58:00] toom: i've learned that lesson 10 years ago or so :)
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[14:59:00] toom: i even unplugged the good old quantum bigfoot :>
[14:59:00] toom: (how could i..)
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[15:23:00] whyz: hm.. i've experienced that sometimes, sound is not recorded when i record a movie
[15:23:00] whyz: :(
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[15:25:00] Krazylegz: It's not recorded, or you can't hear it?
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[15:25:00] Krazylegz: I have a weird problem with liveTV and recordings where I have to change channels or rewind/fast forward to get sound.
[15:28:00] toom: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[15:28:00] toom: *narf*
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[15:30:00] toom: it's still loading the generic drive
[15:30:00] toom: r
[15:32:00] toom: when it sais Linux version 2.6.13-gentoo-r5 blablabla #1 Tue Nov 8 04:42:31 WST 2005
[15:32:00] toom: is that the kernel buildtime?
[15:40:00] toom: strange
[15:40:00] toom: /proc/config.gz:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is not set
[15:40:00] toom: /usr/src/linux/.config:CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y
[15:41:00] toom: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1931881 Nov 12 2005 /boot/kernel-2.6.13-gentoo-r5
[15:41:00] toom: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1931881 Nov 12 2005 /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
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[15:41:00] toom: md5sum is the same..
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[16:31:00] toom: HA
[16:31:00] toom: using_dma = 1 (on)
[16:32:00] toom: finally
[16:33:00] toom: VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686a (rev 22) IDE UDMA66 controller on pci0000:00:07.1
[16:33:00] toom: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000–0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
[16:34:00] toom: hm, still fearing slow, but faster
[16:35:00] toom: 340MB/s with cached read and 30MB/s with buffered read
[16:35:00] Krazylegz: Sweet!
[16:35:00] Krazylegz: toom: Congratulations. :-)
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[16:36:00] toom: for some reason i had /boot noauto in fstab
[16:36:00] toom: so i copied the new kernel into the wrong /boot
[16:36:00] toom: strange
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[16:40:00] toom: now it seems to have forgotten where it's binaries are
[16:40:00] toom: -bash: whereis: command not found
[16:41:00] toom: whereis whereis usually?
[16:42:00] ivor: toom: which?
[16:42:00] toom: wow
[16:42:00] toom: -bash: /usr/bin/date: cannot execute binary file
[16:42:00] ivor: nice
[16:43:00] toom: could that be a timestamp problem?
[16:43:00] toom: i set the clock back 4 hours
[16:43:00] toom: hehe
[16:43:00] ivor: looks slightly more fundamental than that.
[16:43:00] toom: # file /bin/date
[16:43:00] toom: Killed
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[16:44:00] toom: maybe i shouldn't have build a new kernel with files having timestamps in the future..
[16:45:00] toom: uh.. lr-S--Sr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov 8 03:33 /usr/src -> ??a
[16:46:00] ivor: :) slightly screwed. what on earth did you do?
[16:46:00] toom: as i told, i set the clock back 4 hours and built a kernel
[16:46:00] toom: now it's freaked :)
[16:46:00] toom: gotta reboot
[16:46:00] toom: yeah!! -bash: /sbin/reboot: cannot execute binary file
[16:46:00] ivor: doubt that did it. you haven't been playing with freaky hdparam values at the same time perchance? :)
[16:47:00] toom: hmh
[16:47:00] toom: i set -X69
[16:47:00] toom: at least init 0 is working :)
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[16:52:00] toom: aha
[16:52:00] toom: # date
[16:52:00] toom: Sat Nov 12 08:52:39 WST 2005
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[16:52:00] toom: and /usr/src is back as well :)
[16:52:00] ivor: toom: nah it's 16.52.
[16:52:00] ivor: :D
[16:53:00] toom: actually, its 00:53 here
[16:53:00] toom: so it's just 8 hours in the future
[16:53:00] ivor: HK?
[16:53:00] toom: i set the clock back 8 hours before i go to sleep
[16:53:00] toom: .au
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[17:04:00] toom: hmh, is that all for the capture card
[17:04:00] toom: 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[17:04:00] toom: 0000:00:09.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
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[17:11:00] Intrepd: Hey guys, I recently upgraded to a PVR-500, works great. I do get "Can't enable VBI recording vbi: Invalid argument" with the ivtv-0.4 driver. Should I expect this to work?
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[17:35:00] sylwae: hello all
[17:37:00] sylwae: what is the profile used when i run mythtranscode -p autodetect ?
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[17:39:00] slide: Can i upload a video to my mythbox and watch it from myth? If so, where should i upload it to?
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[17:39:00] Krazylegz: slide: Upload it to your videos directory, which is usually /myth/video (I think).
[17:39:00] kormoc: slide, read up on mythvideo, it's a plugin for mythtv
[17:39:00] slide: k
[17:39:00] slide: rthanks
[17:39:00] sylwae: nobody can help me ?
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[17:42:00] djperegrine: where do most poeple keep there backend servers? I can't seem to find a place that is stashed away( my comp is loud) and has a cable input
[17:42:00] djperegrine: er output
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[17:43:00] kormoc: djperegrine, my backend is my frontend, as well as my main computer...
[17:44:00] djperegrine: thats my setup right now
[17:44:00] djperegrine: but I have a mac mini and I want to use it
[17:44:00] xris: mine's also one and the same. and quiet.
[17:44:00] djperegrine: yea mine is really loud
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[17:45:00] paulz`: i keep mine in an old POS ikea armoir heh
[17:45:00] djperegrine: yea :P
[17:45:00] djperegrine: I just need to get my PC quiter
[17:46:00] djperegrine: I dunno what is loud, I replaced the fans and the powersupply ( which ended up being almost as loud )
[17:46:00] paulz`: what CPU do you have?
[17:46:00] djperegrine: athlon I think
[17:47:00] djperegrine: er
[17:47:00] paulz`: ah
[17:47:00] djperegrine: I think I replaced it with a P4 lol
[17:47:00] paulz`: those athlon heatsink/fans are loud
[17:47:00] djperegrine: its 2.0 ghz
[17:47:00] paulz`: because they run so hot
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[17:47:00] djperegrine: yea
[17:47:00] djperegrine: it runs at like 80 or 90
[17:48:00] djperegrine: Its gunna die one of these days :P
[17:48:00] paulz`: i've got a question – and it might be in the ivtv docs, but i'm not sure
[17:48:00] paulz`: anyone using a PVR *50?
[17:48:00] slide: yes
[17:48:00] slide: ive got a 150
[17:48:00] paulz`: for the life of me i can't get the rca audio inputs to work
[17:48:00] djperegrine: paulz`, most poeple do :O
[17:48:00] slide: ah, im not using the rca though
[17:48:00] paulz`: i get an error doing ivtvctl -q 1
[17:49:00] djperegrine: I don't have a rca on mine :O
[17:49:00] paulz`: :(
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[17:50:00] paulz`: using the coax is gonna suck :(
[17:50:00] paulz`: i'm going to have to try to split the coax coming out of my digital cable box now, as my tv has only 1 composite input besides teh standard coax input
[17:51:00] djperegrine: paulz`, atleast post the error,I can still do ivtvctl -q 1 through 6 without errors
[17:51:00] paulz`: ok
[17:51:00] paulz`: "VIDIOC_S_AUDIO failed: Invalid argument"
[17:52:00] djperegrine: :>
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[17:53:00] djperegrine: what version of ivtv drivers do you have?
[17:54:00] paulz`: the most recent
[17:54:00] paulz`: got it from the atrpms repo
[17:54:00] djperegrine: then use older ones
[17:54:00] djperegrine: either 0.2 ones or older 0.3 and see if you have the same problem
[17:54:00] paulz`: ok
[17:56:00] paulz`: heh, i'm at work atm – was ssh'd into my myth box and i did a modprobe -r ivtv and it froze :(((
[17:56:00] paulz`: brb, gonna see if my wife will reboot it
[17:56:00] djperegrine: lol
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[18:02:00] paulz`: excellent, she was actually capable of turning it on and off
[18:02:00] paulz`: i have a new found respect for her
[18:02:00] djperegrine: heh
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[18:05:00] eidolon: 'lo folks. i just want to make sure i'm ordering the right thing here. i need s-video out (actually composite out would be best, but i don't htink that's reachable). neweg has an 'MSI MX4000-T64 Geforce MX4000 64mb DDR AGP 2x/4x video card" for $26. is that right?
[18:05:00] kormoc: likly that's svideo in I would venture to say...
[18:05:00] kormoc: got a link directly to the card?
[18:06:00] eidolon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127128
[18:06:00] kormoc: erm
[18:06:00] eidolon: says 'TV-Out S-Video Out'
[18:06:00] kormoc: eidolon, I'm on crack, I read what you said and switched them around in my head
[18:06:00] djperegrine: don't get old ATI cards
[18:06:00] kormoc: eidolon, that's likly svideo out so yeah, that'd be fine
[18:07:00] eidolon: i thought 'geforce' == nVidia?
[18:07:00] djperegrine: yea
[18:07:00] djperegrine: I am just saying :P
[18:07:00] kormoc: eidolon, it's rare to get svideo in on a gfx card
[18:07:00] eidolon: okay, so that card is cool?
[18:07:00] kormoc: eidolon, geforce is nvidia
[18:07:00] eidolon: okay.
[18:07:00] eidolon: (it says 'MSI' – i assume it's an OEM)
[18:07:00] djperegrine: I have a old ati card with a composet out and it doesn't work with the linux ATI drivers
[18:07:00] eidolon: ahh.
[18:07:00] kormoc: eidolon, nah, MSI is a company that makes cards.
[18:07:00] eidolon: no, i don't want to use non-nvidia.
[18:07:00] kormoc: eidolon, nvidia makes chipsets
[18:07:00] eidolon: mythtv folks are "nvidia. use it. really."
[18:07:00] eidolon: :)
[18:07:00] kormoc: eidolon, and they sell them to companys like msi/abit/aopen/etc to make cards
[18:08:00] ** eidolon has one in the box now, this'll replace it. **
[18:08:00] eidolon: otcha. excellent. thanks kormoc.
[18:08:00] ** eidolon adds it to the cart. **
[18:08:00] kormoc: yup, no problems
[18:08:00] eidolon: next is to see if an s-video -> composite adapter is worth it.. i have a 30" 'old sk00l' tube here that's okay... i'll get a new set soon, but this is what i have now. (actually using an old Nokia 21" monitor for disoplay :)
[18:09:00] eidolon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812102122 <-- like that for example :)
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[18:09:00] squash: I bought my card off newegg, it was a xfx
[18:10:00] eidolon: i'm getting a lot of stuff from them...
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[18:10:00] squash: I bought a cheap wireless card from them too for the frontend
[18:10:00] djperegrine: eidolon, yea svideo to RCA is no big deal
[18:10:00] eidolon: squash: i have a wireless PCI card in one of my shuttle boxes. i'm -much- unimpressed with it :(
[18:11:00] squash: mine is only a room away from my AP but I get a good strong signal from it... and it was $10 after a $10 rebate :)
[18:11:00] eidolon: heh
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[18:12:00] ** eidolon surfs for a wireless keyboard + mouse combo. **
[18:12:00] eidolon: i'm so not dealing with lirc.  :)
[18:14:00] squash: here is the video card I'm using: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150055
[18:14:00] squash: and I'm using svideo
[18:14:00] eidolon: huh.
[18:14:00] eidolon: i don't think that's any different than the one i pasted :)
[18:14:00] eidolon: cept made by a different company. everything else is identical.
[18:15:00] squash: yeah. at the time I bought it, it was the cheapest ($27)
[18:15:00] eidolon: hey... can you control a front end remotely? like... ideally, a small desktop tool i run on my laptop that controls themyth box -frontend- *points* over there.
[18:16:00] djperegrine: there is that myth-remote thing that just was released
[18:16:00] squash: I don't see the aversion to lirc really
[18:16:00] eidolon: well, i'm running knoppmyth – i haven't actually -build- the myth apps from source.
[18:16:00] eidolon: and lirc tuning requires recompiles.
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[18:17:00] squash: ah, can't really speak for knoppmyth
[18:18:00] djperegrine: it has nothing to do with LIRC its a plugin you run and you can control the frontend with buttons on your laptop
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[18:19:00] eidolon: ooo. that would be perfect.
[18:19:00] eidolon: url?
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[18:19:00] djperegrine: I'm looking it up
[18:19:00] eidolon: k
[18:20:00] eidolon: i'd love to write one – i odn't know if mythtv frontends have a network api tho.
[18:20:00] djperegrine: this looked pretty stable
[18:20:00] Krazylegz: eidolon: MFD.
[18:21:00] eidolon: mfd?
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[18:21:00] djperegrine: http://studwww.ugent.be/~aveys/mythwifi/ <-- there
[18:21:00] ** eidolon clicks. **
[18:22:00] eidolon: excellent.
[18:22:00] Krazylegz: MFD = Myth Frontend Daemon.
[18:22:00] djperegrine: MFD looks noice
[18:22:00] eidolon: mfd looks soap-ish?
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[18:24:00] ** eidolon has been doing a bunch of java gui design that uses soap to communicate with a remote server. **
[18:24:00] djperegrine: I don't like java
[18:25:00] djperegrine: why not just use C++ and some cross-compatable lib ?
[18:25:00] ** eidolon removes djperegrine from the cvs commiters list. **
[18:25:00] djperegrine: I never commited :O
[18:25:00] eidolon: heh
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[18:25:00] eidolon: i'm a big fan of java.... cross-platform stuff is just icing on the cake for me.
[18:27:00] sylwae: when i record tv, option transcode not is present in Post Recording Processing ... why ?
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[18:53:00] paulz`: any folks using FC4?
[18:54:00] paulz`: wondering if there's an ivtv kernel module for the newest release
[18:55:00] squash: there is a module but I don't know what version it is. I couldn't take it :)
[18:55:00] paulz`: heh
[18:56:00] paulz`: i've totally fuxored my fedora install w/ my mythtv system – doing a reinstall tonight
[18:56:00] paulz`: might just go for gentoo tbh
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[19:09:00] squash: thats what I did
[19:11:00] zuralin: use debian
[19:12:00] FrankTM: zuralin: do you have a good repository for that?
[19:12:00] FrankTM: as the one i use now has troubles installing the modules like mythweather
[19:12:00] FrankTM: frontend and backand work just fine
[19:12:00] zuralin: i use the one listed on the website
[19:12:00] zuralin: and mythweather works just fine for me
[19:13:00] FrankTM: did you compile it yourself?
[19:13:00] FrankTM: or with apt-get
[19:13:00] zuralin: apt-get
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[19:14:00] FrankTM: i think im using the same
[19:14:00] FrankTM: just a sec
[19:15:00] paulz`: why debian?
[19:16:00] paulz`: i hate dealing with the apt repositories
[19:16:00] paulz`: gentoo is always nice and consistent
[19:17:00] FrankTM: i love apt :)
[19:17:00] FrankTM: normally ... :o
[19:17:00] paulz`: i like portage :)
[19:17:00] FrankTM: zuralin: i get this error
[19:17:00] FrankTM: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:17:00] FrankTM: mythweather: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not going to be installed
[19:17:00] FrankTM: that package doesnt have an installable candidate
[19:18:00] FrankTM: but one that replaces it
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[19:18:00] zuralin: ohhh yeah
[19:18:00] paulz`: what repository is it looking at?
[19:18:00] zuralin: i think i had to use equiv's
[19:18:00] zuralin: and make a fake package
[19:18:00] paulz`: see, this is why I hate apt :P
[19:19:00] FrankTM: paulz`: this is a custom repos... the damn builder uses the wrong packages
[19:19:00] FrankTM: 99% it works just fine
[19:19:00] paulz`: heh
[19:19:00] paulz`: is it atrpms?
[19:19:00] FrankTM: anyway... lets not have this discussion right now :p
[19:19:00] paulz`: :D
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[19:20:00] FrankTM: zuralin: can you tell me how you fixed it? :P
[19:20:00] zuralin: FrankTM, I just did
[19:20:00] zuralin: install the replacement package.. then install equivs and make a virtual package
[19:20:00] FrankTM: ok... thx :P
[19:20:00] FrankTM: ill try to find out how to do that
[19:21:00] zuralin: yeah google for equivs
[19:21:00] FrankTM: ok.. i think you've been a great help :p
[19:21:00] FrankTM: gotta do something else first though
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[19:41:00] feld: is livetv broken in the current SVN?
[19:41:00] laga: feld: yes.
[19:41:00] dev-: is why i dont use svn ;/
[19:42:00] dev-: seems problems are introduced frequently
[19:42:00] djperegrine: man someone really needs to make a decent looking skin for myth
[19:42:00] laga: well, it's easy to avoid such problems if you read the mailing lists.
[19:43:00] dev-: laga: but i dont have the time for that. plenty of other projects and hobbies hehe.. but thats why i use stable releases, no sweat, hehe. svn's not for me thats all =]
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: feld: It's undergoing serious changes and is disabled by default. You CAN enable it but you have to do it at the source I think
[19:44:00] zuralin: djperegrine, tried visor?
[19:44:00] djperegrine: no
[19:44:00] zuralin: its my favorite skin by far
[19:44:00] feld: GreyFoxx: that sucks. really, really sucks.
[19:44:00] feld: whats the point in that?
[19:45:00] feld: sure, its going under changes, but how are people supposed to test and give feedback on crap if its disabled.
[19:45:00] dev-: feld: i believe laga's comment applies to you sir :)
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Cause it's undergoing so many changes that anyone incapable of enabling it wont be of much help ?
[19:45:00] laga: dev-: :)
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: But that is MY opinion and NOT any official stance of why
[19:46:00] feld: i'm on enough mailing lists i dont have time to read them all
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: Only Isaac can say for sure, or a search of the dev list for the post stating it was going to be disabled would have a more accurate explaination
[19:46:00] dev-: feld: then use stable release. 0.18.1 works extremely well.
[19:47:00] feld: dev-: i know it does i've been using it for weeks
[19:49:00] feld: re-enabling it is not an issue. its not that hard to uncomment some source code or change a few lines... but thats simply not the point. its supposed to be experiemental code.
[19:49:00] laga: feld: stop bitching god dammit
[19:50:00] laga: feld: follow -dev, enable it if you want to test it, don't do anything if you don't feel like testing
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: feld: You would be amazed how many people expect experimental code to work perfectly :)
[19:50:00] feld: GreyFoxx: no kidding...
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[19:51:00] feld: its just quite annoying because i have working SVN ebuilds that are useless now. so now i gotta checkout the svn crap manually and do the configure makes and installs by hand when i coulda had it scripted.
[19:52:00] laga: patch the ebuild
[19:52:00] feld: well i havent looked at what the needed change is so i cannot be sure that it would be reliable
[19:52:00] feld: if they add or modify a few lines of code my patch wont match up
[19:52:00] feld: so then i gotta RE-do the patch
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[20:14:00] Servo888: Can mpeg2cut be used to remove commericals with out the new of retranscoding the entire movie / show?
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[20:31:00] Beirdo: yes, if it works for you
[20:33:00] jvs: has nero been around recently?
[20:33:00] Gumby: I'm trying to compile mythtv and I am getting the following error... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm does anyone know what I need to install for this to compile cleanly?
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[20:36:00] slide: Is there anyway to make "MythMusic" rip in the background?
[20:41:00] Gumby: does anyone here know how to get mythtv to compile with lirc support? I have lircd installed and running. xev picks up the keystrokes, but I cant seem to get ./configure to show " lirc yes"
[20:42:00] eskil: slide, no.
[20:42:00] slide: dang =\ thanks
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[20:43:00] chkno: Hello. I'm having trouble with the commercial flagger. It consistently marks early, jumping from the middle of programming to the middle of commercial breaks. Speculation: I'm using Myth on a multi-purpose machine. Between recording sessions, Myth gets swapped out. When Myth begins recording, it has to be swapped in.
[20:43:00] chkno: This causes some lag, and Myth drops frames. (The lost video isn't important, and can be worked around by marking recordings to start early.) However, the dropped frames seem to confuse the flagger. It seems to construct a different timebase than the playback engine.
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[20:47:00] chkno: The "Use video as timebase" option in Playback Settings didn't help.
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[20:50:00] Gumby: anyone have an approximation on how long it takes to compile mthtv? (althon xp 2500+)
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[20:54:00] fman: greyfoxx: any progress on the svr mythgame database?
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: Changes were commited a few days ago, along with an email to the -dev list
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: Though in hindsight I should have sent one to the -users list too
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: I'll resend it to the users list in a bit after I finish what I'm working on
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[21:05:00] amiller: anybody successfully built the releases-0-18-fixes on x86_64
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[21:39:00] slide: I recorded a show that ended 9 minutes ago and its not showing up in the recorded shows area anyone got any ideas why?
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[21:49:00] xris: slide: it'd show up in the recorded shows area the instant it starts recording
[21:50:00] slide: hrm =\ its not there :(
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[21:50:00] xris: then it probably didn't record
[21:51:00] slide: hrm yea i see an error in the logs
[21:52:00] slide: "ChannelBase: Could not find input: Television on card when setting channel 30", "TVRec: Failed to set channel for recording. Aborting."
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[22:01:00] Krazylegz: Hmm. My Mythbox doesn't like doing MythWeb, watching a recording, commflagging, recording and transferring files at the same time.
[22:01:00] kormoc: you need a simech server Krazylegz!
[22:02:00] Krazylegz: A what?
[22:03:00] Krazylegz: I need to not have my entire Mythbox in a Pundit-R maybe.
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[22:03:00] a1fa: hey guys
[22:03:00] kormoc: simech, silicon mechanics :)
[22:04:00] a1fa: hey.. mythtv frontend has been freezing up on program guide
[22:04:00] a1fa: after it freezes up, the remote doesnt work
[22:06:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I don't want one of these Mach L systems?
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[22:07:00] kormoc: nm
[22:07:00] Krazylegz: Mmm, MythRack.
[22:07:00] kormoc: hehe
[22:07:00] Krazylegz: 64U of Myth goodness!
[22:08:00] Gumby: Ive just compiled mythtv and mythtvplugins but when I start mythbackend I get "Segmentation Fault" Does anyone know how I might troubleshoot this?
[22:10:00] akaias: trying to get somewhere with m firefly remote. its an RF remote and X10 compatible, others say thye get this remove wirking with the ati_remote driver. I however can't even get the receiver detected when I plug it in. lsusb shows nothing even though it does turn on. Can anyone tell me how to get an ATI RF remote working? It should be the same for this one. Also getting nowhere with lirc. plugging in the receiver should loa
[22:10:00] akaias: d lirc_atiusb but it doesnt
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[22:13:00] robbie2: hi all
[22:13:00] robbie2: a question about tv_grab_au from http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_tuhs.html
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[22:14:00] robbie2: xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: <unknown>:253:11: mismatched tag
[22:14:00] robbie2: i assume i am missing something with my python install (ubuntu hoary)
[22:19:00] kormoc: actually, it's a error with the feed, there's a closing tag that is missing of some sort
[22:21:00] robbie2: yep, you are right
[22:21:00] robbie2: i logged onto the data web site and updated my preferenced
[22:22:00] robbie2: preferences
[22:22:00] robbie2: thanks kormoc
[22:22:00] kormoc: yup, np
[22:26:00] robbie2: later
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[22:30:00] updatelee: Im trying to get mythtv to use my bt878a 4port input card, works in xawtv, mythtv-setup recognizes the card, but when I enter ch 100 (the channel I assigned to composite0) nothing happens, channel doesnt change, no error's
[22:30:00] updatelee: any ideas ?
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[22:38:00] xris: composite signals don't have channels
[22:38:00] xris: they're just one signal
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[22:45:00] updatelee: so how do you select them in mythfrontend ?
[22:45:00] updatelee: mythtv-setup option 5 scan channels does let you add a new channel, give it a channel number and assign the composite0 input. but it didnt work (cant view signal) lol
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[22:46:00] k-man: whats that windows mythtv client called?
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[22:55:00] cosmo_: winmyth I believe
[22:56:00] beavis: cygwin
[22:57:00] updatelee: mythfrontend crashed with some XV errors with cgywin for me, I didnt play with it to much, you got it running ?
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[22:58:00] kormoc: I don't think cygwin supports xv does it?
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[23:04:00] updatelee: it didnt seem to
[23:04:00] updatelee: at least it complaied alot about XV and then didnt open mythfrontend, lol
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[23:11:00] updatelee: anyone use composite input ? how do you select it ? Ive set it up through mythtv-setup but when I choose ch100 (the channel I assigned to composite0) it doesnt change channel, no error either
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[23:21:00] kormoc: updatelee, change the input to composite
[23:25:00] xris: updatelee: you can't assign a channel to composite. dunno what you're talking about.
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