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[00:03:00] MrSpiffy: ussjoin, sorry man – I'm out
[00:03:00] fatmatt: anyone know if there's an alternate to the mdz debian binaries?
[00:03:00] MrSpiffy: if it were me I would plug a cd player or something into theat line in to make sure it really works
[00:04:00] MrSpiffy: then start debugging the tv card
[00:04:00] MrSpiffy: remeber – the line in has to be set to MUTE and RECORD
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[00:06:00] jumpkick: how can I configure mythtv not to use a sound card?
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[00:18:00] JohnP789: Can I run mythcommflag on a slave server for shows recorded on the master?
[00:19:00] JohnP789: Ah, how about I just try it. Looks like it's working.
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[00:25:00] randreas69: Please dont yell at me, I'm new with gentoo
[00:25:00] Lightning: we havent yelled yet
[00:26:00] randreas69: Sure, can I ask a question here?
[00:26:00] Lightning: that is what it is for
[00:26:00] Lightning: although sometimes to get someone to answer may take waiting (as not everyone is active or knows the answer)
[00:27:00] randreas69: Once I've got the mysql running I'm off to run mythfilldatabase on my own.
[00:28:00] randreas69: I was going to put the mc.sql database in with mysql and then
[00:28:00] randreas69: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
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[00:29:00] randreas69: I've never touched anything mysql before but I made 'rc-update add mysql default'
[00:29:00] Lightning: is mysql brand new or was it already on the system?
[00:29:00] randreas69: I've just emerged it into gentoo. 4.1.14
[00:29:00] randreas69: mysql-4.1.14*
[00:30:00] randreas69: What's the access denied for the mc.sql? If it's trivial I'll just go on and mythfilldatabase. My xmltv is already set up for tvtime...
[00:31:00] Lightning: the usual reason for the root user to mysql to fail is due to a password on the root user for mysql
[00:31:00] riksta: randreas69: you need the sql script to populate the database
[00:31:00] Lightning: i am not sure about the setup or what it likely is with gentoo
[00:31:00] randreas69: Just plain how do I set up a root password for mysql?
[00:31:00] riksta: randreas69: did you do the steps gentoo told you after emerging mysql
[00:31:00] riksta: you have to set one
[00:32:00] riksta: it tells you how
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[00:32:00] randreas69: I've run mysql_fill_database
[00:33:00] jumpkick: modprobe snd-dummy
[00:33:00] jumpkick: that seems to work
[00:34:00] jumpkick: okay, next question... how to I get tuner freqs for can-bcast... all my stations are tuned way off their proper numbers and only black and white
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[00:36:00] riksta: randreas69: did you run /usr/bin/mysql_install_db
[00:37:00] riksta: follow the instructions
[00:38:00] randreas69: I've run mysql_fill_database, there's only one binary. I didn't have to spqcify the path, er, did I
[00:38:00] riksta: follow what it says
[00:38:00] riksta: to set a root pass
[00:39:00] randreas69: I've begun with mysqladmin -u root password
[00:39:00] randreas69: bit it says access denied again.
[00:40:00] randreas69: Do I need to start something before I type this?
[00:43:00] randreas69: The root password isn't happening so where do I put the mc.sql manually?
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[00:43:00] Nothingman: hi, all
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[00:44:00] Nothingman: finally got MythTV to change channels
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[00:49:00] Nothingman: however, the machine overran the program I was recording and froze up the machine (could still hear the channel playing over the speakers)
[00:49:00] Nothingman: any tips?
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[00:55:00] dude2000: hello everyone
[00:55:00] pookSter: hello dude
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[00:56:00] bemis: hello dude
[00:57:00] dude2000: I want to try out mythtv. I recently went to mythtv website and it looks like installation can be a little complicated. Is it? I'm using mandriva2005.
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[00:59:00] pookSter: If you already know the OS you are installing it on, that I have found is half the battle
[01:00:00] pookSter: Other that that dude, you may run into hardware specific problems, but all in all it is a pretty mature release
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[01:16:00] dude2000: ok
[01:16:00] dude2000: It looks like a really cool program
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[01:18:00] dude2000: One thing I've learned since I started playing with linux is that linux people are ahead of the game a lot of times. I think the stuff in mythtv is probably going to be stuff everyone has some time in the future.
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[01:20:00] clintar_: anyone here using firewire input?
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[01:20:00] cyberknet: did for a while. don't now.
[01:21:00] clintar_: why not now?
[01:21:00] cyberknet: never did get it to capture right from mythtv, but then again, I never did invest much time into it.
[01:21:00] cyberknet: got it to capture manually just fine though.
[01:21:00] Nothingman: hey, all
[01:21:00] clintar_: yeah, that's what i found back when they released 0.18.1
[01:21:00] clintar_: i'm still seeing that now
[01:21:00] Nothingman: Myth overruns the program it's recording
[01:21:00] Nothingman: any tips?
[01:22:00] cyberknet: Yeah, I wasn't using CVS/SVN either, just .18.1
[01:22:00] cyberknet: Nothingman: it overruns it?
[01:22:00] Nothingman: yeah
[01:22:00] Nothingman: keeps recording
[01:23:00] cyberknet: clintar_: Mind you, I'm not blaming myth... let me be clear there. I really didn't invest much time at all into trying to get it to work.
[01:23:00] cyberknet: Nothingman: and never stops?
[01:23:00] riksta: sorry to ask but is livetv working again in SVN?
[01:23:00] Nothingman: takes up the whole cpu, freezes the machine, hard drive constantly running, but I could hear the program playing through the speakers (I had gone to a terminal before it started, and had closed the frontend)
[01:24:00] Nothingman: so hard to say if Myth was still controlling it or not
[01:24:00] riksta: Nothingman: depends if you have a sound passsthrough
[01:24:00] riksta: it could have just unmuted the line
[01:24:00] clintar_: riksta: i doubt it. do you know a date that it was working before the livetv breaking?
[01:24:00] cyberknet: Nothingman: I'd renice the frontend ad backend to run with alowerpriority so that I could see for sure what was going on, if I were you.
[01:24:00] riksta: clintar_: about 3 days ago
[01:24:00] riksta: ijr posted to the list
[01:25:00] clintar_: riksta: can you just svn update -r {date} to that date?
[01:25:00] clintar_: you don't by chance use firewire input, do you?
[01:25:00] riksta: yeah, i just wanted to see if it was fixed
[01:25:00] riksta: nah dvb-t
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[01:28:00] clintar_: ok, i just jumped back in and tried an svn checkout of 2005-10–30 and i'm getting empty recordings with firewire and wondered if anyone knew a certain date that it worked so i know it's not just something wrong with the tree at that time
[01:28:00] clintar_: i'll just try different dates
[01:28:00] riksta: recordings have been screwed for the past week or so
[01:28:00] riksta: they dont get added to the list
[01:29:00] riksta: but not that far back
[01:29:00] clintar_: hrm, so you have a suggestion for a date that worked?
[01:29:00] clintar_: k
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[01:47:00] r2: has anybody had luck with a USB-serial IR receiver and integrating that with lirc/mythtv?
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[01:49:00] amazingbill: I'm new to the whole thing, but I tried and failed with my USB remote wonder.
[01:49:00] amazingbill: If I remember correctly, I got halfway there.
[01:51:00] r2: amazingbill, I'm at about the same point ... I know the remote is being recognized by "irserver", but I don't know how to get mythtv to use it ... the IRTrans site says that I don't actually need lirc installed, though I'll still need to concoct a ".lircrc" file.
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[02:11:00] akaias: does anyone here know of a how-to or perhaps even a ati_remote.c file for the 'snapstream firefly X10" remote?
[02:11:00] akaias: i haven't come across anything with google
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[02:14:00] jnunez: How can I wipeout the old XMLTV data and start over? I had the wrong timezone.
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[02:14:00] GeekZoid: how do you stop a show from recording
[02:14:00] GeekZoid: once youve set it up to
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: GeekZoid: go back to the schedule and tell it not to record?
[02:15:00] GeekZoid: but its recording right now
[02:15:00] GeekZoid: ehhe
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: go into watch recordings , highlight it and hit delete
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: or hit menu, there might be a "stop recording" option
[02:16:00] GeekZoid: k
[02:16:00] GeekZoid: why would it be saving to my main drive
[02:16:00] GeekZoid: when i have it set up to /media/mythtv
[02:17:00] GreyFoxx: I'll save to whereever your configured to go. Verify your settings
[02:17:00] GeekZoid: i did. it is set to save at /media/video
[02:17:00] GeekZoid: is there a temp directory
[02:17:00] GeekZoid: that needs to eb set?
[02:17:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: Where are they being saved ?
[02:18:00] GeekZoid: when i look at the mythbackend
[02:18:00] GeekZoid: it says its set up for /media/video/mythtv
[02:18:00] GeekZoid: which i have moutned
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: Just to be clear, you mean recordings or livetv ?
[02:19:00] GeekZoid: livetv
[02:19:00] GeekZoid: im recordiong a television show
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: There is a seperate setting for LiveTV than there is for Recordings
[02:19:00] GeekZoid: oh
[02:19:00] GeekZoid: in mythtv-setup
[02:20:00] jnunez: Any help on wiping out the tv program DB?
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[02:20:00] dev-: no i think thats in mythfrontend's setup/utilities
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: jnunez: go into mysql
[02:20:00] jnunez: can I just empty the tables?
[02:20:00] jnunez: which ones?
[02:20:00] GreyFoxx: "delete from program;" or programs
[02:20:00] dev-: mythtv-setup is more for getting the 'base' working
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[02:21:00] jnunez: Thanks GreyFoxx
[02:22:00] GeekZoid: Where do you configure the drive to save on?
[02:22:00] GeekZoid: for television could you tell me where in the menu
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup, General settings, 2nd page. the entry irght below where the recordings are saved
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: "directory to hold recordings" and "directory to hold live-tv"
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[02:23:00] dev-: heh ;/ woops
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[02:27:00] GeekZoid: this is just wierd
[02:27:00] ** GeekZoid wonders why it says 0 bytes **
[02:27:00] GeekZoid: when its suppose to be recording
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[02:32:00] Nothingman: hey, all
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[02:32:00] Nothingman: can anyone tell me why Myth might continue recording after a show ends?
[02:33:00] Nothingman: ended up filling my hard drive once and freezing the machine another time
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[02:39:00] GeekZoid: mm
[02:39:00] GeekZoid: what are the different types of mpegs?
[02:39:00] GeekZoid: when recording
[02:40:00] dev-: whats google you mean?
[02:40:00] GeekZoid: lol
[02:40:00] GeekZoid: ok
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[02:44:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: if you seperate out frontend/backend... which one needs to be more powerful
[02:45:00] dev-: if you seperate it, all the frontend needs to do is be able to display a full screen mpeg.. right?
[02:45:00] dev-: dont need anything too powerfull for that
[02:45:00] JohnP789: Ginsu_Squirrel, I have a hardware-encoding capture card, so I can get away with a very weak backend.
[02:45:00] dev-: backend needs to commflag, transcode if you do it, etcv
[02:45:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: well if you dont have a card with hardware
[02:45:00] dev-: dont want to go too weak, even with hardware encoding. commercial flagging takes some resources, same with transcoding
[02:46:00] JohnP789: Ginsu_Squirrel, but.... the web interface runs very slow, and forget about commflag on the slow backend.
[02:46:00] dev-: yeah, mythweb with mythstream, vlc needs some power
[02:46:00] JohnP789: I never even bothered trying transcoding! (My backend is a Celeron/266 overclocked to 400MHz.)
[02:46:00] dev-: i run an amd 3200 xp, wouldnt go weaker than that honestly
[02:46:00] dev-: thats with 2 hardware encoding cards
[02:47:00] JohnP789: My Celeron keeps up with two streams recording OK.
[02:47:00] dev-: but i bet you dont do on the fly commercial flagging
[02:48:00] JohnP789: Nope. I'm doing commflagging on a slave backend Athlon 64 3000+ right now.
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[02:48:00] dev-: yeah i wouldnt ant to commflag on my workstation
[02:48:00] dev-: need that for cedega :D
[02:48:00] JohnP789: I'm getting ~170fps commflagging 640x480 ~6Mbps MPEG2. Is that reasonable?
[02:49:00] dev-: yeah thats what i get
[02:49:00] dev-: so i guess it is
[02:49:00] JohnP789: OK, thanks
[02:49:00] dev-: i like the commcerial flag the show as it records
[02:50:00] dev-: lot of times i wind up watching things 20 or 40minutes into it
[02:50:00] jemarcks__: Whats the name of the system monitor (like xload) that comes with fedora that sounds like Gkrell or starts with a G..?
[02:50:00] JohnP789: I haven't figured out how to set up my slave backend to automatically do commflagging.
[02:50:00] JohnP789: gkrellm?
[02:50:00] jemarcks__: ah... that sounds good
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[02:52:00] jemarcks__: installed!
[02:53:00] Narkov: i'm experiencing problems with buffering over NFS....i have mythtv storage mounted over NFS...recording is fine, playback is fine but seeking is incredibly laggy...any ideas?
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[02:56:00] JohnP789: Narkov, Someone told me that the files should be mounted with the identical path as they are on the server. That way, the frontend can use the seek tables.
[02:56:00] Narkov: interesting....i'll be back in 5 :)
[02:57:00] JohnP789: I just made some symlinks on the frontend box so the path looked the same.
[02:57:00] Narkov: wha? on the frontend?!
[02:57:00] JohnP789: It seemed to help. I had the same trouble---smooth playback, but it took forever to seek.
[02:57:00] Narkov: itsnt it streamed from the backend?
[02:57:00] JohnP789: My frontend is reading the files via Samba.
[02:58:00] Narkov: how do you do that?
[02:58:00] xris: Narkov: I believe it is unless the files are available locally... but I may be wrong.
[02:58:00] JohnP789: You can tell if you're streaming by running "mythfrontend -v network" (or networking?)
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[03:07:00] Narkov: JohnP789: i have lots of "QUERY_FILETRANSFER"....so thats from the backend...right?
[03:07:00] JohnP789: If I remember right, that means you're streaming.
[03:07:00] Narkov: streaming from the backend?
[03:08:00] JohnP789: (I'm pretty much a newbie, but I had the same problem and making the link tree helped me.)
[03:08:00] JohnP789: Yeah, streaming from the backend.
[03:08:00] Narkov: but how do i tell the frontend to use local rather then remote?
[03:08:00] ** linagee read that as "steaming from the backend" **
[03:08:00] xris: Narkov: why does it matter?
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[03:09:00] Narkov: well i'm getting latency issues i think....so if i cut out the middleman of the backend then it could get better
[03:09:00] JohnP789: Narkov, I think the frontend will use the local files if they are found at the same exact path as the backend shows them.
[03:09:00] xris: Narkov: you'll just be replacing it with nfs or smb
[03:09:00] Narkov: xris: no...it will go from streaming from the backend via nfs....to just nfs
[03:10:00] xris: oh
[03:10:00] xris: so your files aren't hosted on the backend.
[03:10:00] Narkov: correct
[03:10:00] Narkov: well..they are mounted via nfs
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[03:13:00] JohnP789: I'd like to make up a fancy DVD from my PVR-500MCE MPEG2 NUV files. Put ~6 half-hour episodes on a DVD.
[03:14:00] JohnP789: Once I've commflagged, what's the best approach?
[03:14:00] JohnP789: My files are already MPEG2, so I don't guess I have to re-encode, right?
[03:17:00] xris: JohnP789: well, not necessarily... you MIGHT be ok, or there might be corrupt/missing frames from the tuner that will screw up a hardware-based player.
[03:17:00] JohnP789: xris, So, a pass through ffmpeg might help with that?
[03:17:00] xris: that'd be a reencode
[03:18:00] xris: use nuvexport, use the cutlist during the reencode
[03:18:00] JohnP789: yep
[03:18:00] xris: then you can just pop the resulting mpeg files into your favorite dvd-creating program and they'll work fine
[03:18:00] jemarcks__: xris, where do i enable transcoding after a completed recording?
[03:19:00] xris: jemarcks__: transcode to nuv? why?
[03:19:00] xris: but I don't know..
[03:19:00] jemarcks__: hmm.. .maybe im confused... i saw somthing in the setup to transcode recordings somewhere
[03:19:00] jemarcks__: i thought it would save space
[03:20:00] xris: it might, depending on your transcode settings.
[03:20:00] Narkov: JohnP789: can you remember where you saw that information about the seek tables and NFS?
[03:20:00] xris: personally, I just nuvexport -> xvid everything
[03:20:00] jemarcks__: cool
[03:21:00] JohnP789: Narkov, Here in this IRC channel, sorry.
[03:22:00] xris: jemarcks__: default settings for xvid end up about 350M/hour (without commercials), then you can just watch them in mythvideo
[03:22:00] jnunez: Is there a way to have MythGame check multiple directories for ROMs? if so can one of them be a USB Flash Key? I can mount the key.
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[03:28:00] JohnP789: $ nuvexport-dvd Unable to open /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt: Permission denied
[03:28:00] JohnP789: What's causing that?
[03:29:00] JohnP789: Can I run nuvexport on a remote box? nuvinfo works OK.
[03:30:00] JohnP789: OK, I just fixed the permissions.
[03:30:00] Valk`: When I am in mythtv-setup -> 2. Capture cards, I get a "Could not open '/dev/video0' to probe its in...." at the default input place. Xawtv works fine.
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[03:31:00] k-man: someone should make a graph of the open tickets in 0.19 over time
[03:31:00] k-man: that would be cool
[03:32:00] xris: JohnP789: you can, but I've noticed weird stuttering in the encode when you do. dunno why. (it may just be transcode, too, which is not the default option)
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[03:33:00] Servo888: When your recording something – can you also watch that channel?
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[03:35:00] jnunez: Servo888: Depends on your Tuner Card and CPU
[03:36:00] Servo888: jnunez, pvr 150, and 1.4Ghz xp
[03:37:00] jnunez: I had my P3 with a WinTV card and recording was a chore for it. I added the PVR150 and it's a dream. Will be upgrade the system to AMD (64bit unless someone know of any issues) in the next few months.
[03:37:00] jnunez: Servo888: That should work
[03:37:00] jnunez: Servo888: Did you get the IR Blaster to work?
[03:38:00] JohnP789: nuvexport is saying "This host not configured for myth.
[03:38:00] JohnP789: (No RecordFilePrefix defined for blue-light in the settings table.)"
[03:38:00] Servo888: huh? never needed it
[03:39:00] JohnP789: nuvinfo works fine on this host, though. (The mythbackend is remote.)
[03:39:00] jnunez: oh ok. That is the only missing part of my system
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[03:42:00] JohnP789: Any tips?
[03:43:00] quink: hey got a questionf or you all
[03:43:00] quink: anyone here do dvd ripping in myth?
[03:44:00] linagee: quink: why? because microsoft's media center does that?
[03:44:00] xris: JohnP789: nuvinfo works on specific filenames. nuvexport needs to scan for all files.
[03:45:00] quink: well i seem to be having troubelw ith subtitles. I don't get how it works
[03:46:00] quink: for example, ripped a bridge too close(old movie) and it should have subs for the german parts(its a WWII movie) but i get nothing when i play it back
[03:46:00] JohnP789: Ah, OK. How do I tell nuvexport that the backend is a remote host?
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[03:46:00] quink: it'd be nice if you could run nuvexport on mythvideo stuff. or mythstreamtv
[03:47:00] |rt|_: anyone here using the tira-2 usb ir reciever?
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[03:48:00] quink: anyone?
[03:49:00] JohnP789: xris, You said you ran nuvexport with a remote mythbackend, right?
[03:50:00] xris: I used to.
[03:50:00] xris: I noticed that transcode-made xvids were jumpy, so I stopped.
[03:55:00] ** JohnP789 gives up on nuvexport and installs kino. **
[03:57:00] JohnP789: Nevermind. I thought kino could deal with MPEG2 files.
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[03:59:00] JohnP789: Maybe I should fire up the crack pipe and install Cinelerra.
[04:00:00] xris: avidemux2
[04:01:00] xris: nuvexport really isn't that bad (but don't listen to me, I'm biased)
[04:01:00] JohnP789: It looks really great, but I'll never transcode anything on my backend server. It's way too slow.
[04:02:00] xris: so try it. like I said, my issues were with transcode, but it uses ffmpeg by default
[04:02:00] JohnP789: It won't run with my remote mythbackend setup.
[04:03:00] xris: sure.. you just need to run mythtv-setup on your frontend box
[04:03:00] xris: or just insert that recordfileprefix record in (which is all it cares about)
[04:04:00] Narkov: xris: are you familiar with how the positionMap syncing works?
[04:04:00] jemarcks__: nuvexport is cool
[04:04:00] xris: don't even knwo what it is
[04:04:00] xris: jemarcks__: I agree, but you know I'm biased.
[04:04:00] jemarcks__: yeah. hehe
[04:04:00] xris: actually, I tend to think my own code sucks...
[04:05:00] xris: nuvexport gets the job done, though
[04:05:00] jemarcks__: i looked at it... not bad.
[04:05:00] jemarcks__: :D
[04:05:00] xris: I'm more upset at the quality of the encoders rather than nuvexport itself, though
[04:05:00] JohnP789: Ah, OK, now we're getting somewhere.  :-)
[04:05:00] jemarcks__: yeah.. we all rely on what ever encoder we have
[04:05:00] jemarcks__: maybe you should port it to Fortran. lol
[04:06:00] xris: haha. no thanks
[04:06:00] xris: I'm too busy upgrading mythweb these days.
[04:06:00] xris: and baking pie.
[04:06:00] xris: delicious pie...
[04:06:00] ** xris curses the heat retention properties of custard **
[04:06:00] JohnP789: 10. MPEG2->MPEG2 cut only (disabled)
[04:06:00] jemarcks__: oh yeah? what are you doing to mythweb? any clues?
[04:07:00] xris: JohnP789: select it, it'll tell you what you're missing.
[04:07:00] JohnP789: What app am I missing? avidemux2?
[04:07:00] JohnP789: ah. Cool.
[04:07:00] jemarcks__: xris, are you putting a nuv2disc frontend on it? :)
[04:07:00] JohnP789: Ubuntu has no package for avidemux2.  :-(
[04:08:00] quink: bbl
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[04:08:00] xris: JohnP789: avidemux
[04:08:00] xris: 2 is the version
[04:08:00] xris: (sometimes also the package name)
[04:09:00] xris: but that function relies on lve, which is much more difficult to find (esp. since it doesn't compile with recent versions of gcc)
[04:10:00] JohnP789: For MPEG2 -> MPEG2 with cutlists, why is demuxing necessary?
[04:13:00] xris: that's how you do it.
[04:13:00] xris: otherwise, you're force to cut on the GOP
[04:14:00] xris: if you don't care about a few extra frames of video/audio, then use something like gopdit
[04:14:00] Servo888: Does mythtv make use of an mpeg2 decoder on some geforce cards?
[04:15:00] xris: but it's also because the hauppauge cards can introduce corrupt/missing frames to the video, which confuses some players/editors and causes sync issues — really messes with editing.
[04:15:00] JohnP789: xris, OK, I guess I was assuming cutting on the GOP.
[04:15:00] xris: Servo888: xvmc? yeah.
[04:15:00] xris: JohnP789: no, GOP sucks.. some of them can be several seconds long.
[04:15:00] JohnP789: ffmpeg died early.
[04:15:00] xris: the errors should all be there.
[04:15:00] Servo888: xris, not 100 sure but I think so
[04:16:00] xris: then "yeah" was the answer to that.
[04:17:00] Servo888: xris, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002F8NCA/s . . . ncoding=UTF8 | take a gander at that – it supports mpeg2 decoding – would that be xvmc?
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[04:18:00] xris: Servo888: beyond that, I don't know... my mythbox is SiS-based (onboard video), so I've never messed with that stuff
[04:19:00] Servo888: ah ok – yah from a site im reading it says that the nvidia board with mpeg2 decoders support xvmc =-). So looks good. Thanks
[04:21:00] JohnP789: xris, I ran nuvexport with --debug. It's forking mythtranscode and ffmpeg, but then it just exits.
[04:21:00] xris: JohnP789: http://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/wiki/debug
[04:21:00] JohnP789: duh.  :-)
[04:23:00] JohnP789: ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-hq'
[04:23:00] JohnP789: Aha!
[04:23:00] JohnP789: ...but -hq is in the manpage. Nice.
[04:24:00] xris: ffmpeg sucks. heh.
[04:24:00] xris: but that error didn't show up when you ran nuvexport on its own? thought I had it to the point where it would trap/print all of those kinds of errors for you.
[04:24:00] JohnP789: Remove the -hq, then I get.... ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-4mv'
[04:25:00] JohnP789: ffmpeg died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong.
[04:25:00] JohnP789: That's all I got.
[04:26:00] |rt|: I'm about to upgrade my tv to HD 1080p...are there are any good tvtuners for myth that do 1080?
[04:26:00] |rt|: luckily the new tv does have a pc (rgb) in
[04:27:00] xris: JohnP789: pretty sure you can't use ubuntu's default ffmpeg... most of that stuff is not gpl-compatible, and is thus disabled in the compile.
[04:27:00] xris: could also be an old version of nuvexport in the repo.
[04:27:00] JohnP789: xris, I built a custom ffmpeg following some instructions somewhere.
[04:27:00] JohnP789: I'm using nuvexport 0.2 from tarball, too.
[04:28:00] xris: custom... from cvs?
[04:28:00] xris: and nuvexport svn?
[04:28:00] xris: "latest"?
[04:28:00] JohnP789: $ ffmpeg -v
[04:28:00] JohnP789: ffmpeg version CVS, build 3276800
[04:28:00] xris: odd
[04:28:00] xris: dunno what to say.
[04:28:00] xris: try --transcode?
[04:28:00] JohnP789: $ nuvexport --version
[04:28:00] JohnP789: nuvexport version: 0.2 0.20051106.svn
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[04:29:00] JohnP789: Woo! --transcode is doing something.
[04:30:00] JohnP789: With commflagging also going on, it's not going to be fast.
[04:30:00] JohnP789: nuvexport is very slick.
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[04:34:00] nate__: hi all..i've gotten my remote working with mythtv and lirc using irxevent, but I'd like to switch to native lirc support, (so i can send events just to mythtv)..
[04:34:00] JohnP789: Good night, and thanks for all the help!
[04:35:00] nate__: it's not working just yet and I was wondering if I need to enable lirc support...or how I might be able to debug it
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[04:41:00] |rt|: anyone know if anyone is making HD tvtuners that have a cablecard input?
[04:42:00] |rt|: for the pc...that would be badass
[04:42:00] mchou: |rt|: ask MSFT
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[04:42:00] mchou: they seem to think there are :)
[04:42:00] |rt|: they think they are making one or they think they are available?
[04:43:00] mchou: lol, MSFT makes cards??
[04:43:00] |rt|: well they could brand something like their mice
[04:43:00] mchou: haha
[04:43:00] mchou: stop joking around
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[04:43:00] mchou: a pci card is a bit more complex than a nouse/kb
[04:44:00] mchou: mouse*
[04:44:00] |rt|: not really....these days everything is done on a chip
[04:45:00] |rt|: get the right chipset on the card and the hadware isn't that difficult to design
[04:45:00] mchou: lol
[04:45:00] mchou: MSFT screws up SW bad enough, and now you want them to design HW???
[04:46:00] phoner: maybe they can make a winTuner
[04:46:00] mchou: dont be daft
[04:46:00] |rt|: plenty of chipsets available for pci even pci-e interfaces
[04:46:00] |rt|: hehe...well i'm not asking them to make something
[04:46:00] |rt|: i just want someone to make one
[04:46:00] mchou: like I said, ask MSFT or CableLabs
[04:46:00] |rt|: maybe i'll talk to the engineers at work hehe
[04:46:00] |rt|: make my own
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[04:49:00] GeekZoid: hia ll
[04:49:00] GeekZoid: has anyone ever recorded a show to a dvd
[04:49:00] GeekZoid: using dvd author
[04:49:00] GeekZoid: ?
[04:49:00] GeekZoid: im gettign Warn: Skipping sector waiting for first CVOBU error message
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[04:53:00] ** GeekZoid sighs **
[04:53:00] ** GeekZoid saved it as mpeg **
[04:53:00] GeekZoid: but its not working
[04:55:00] aegray_: i did something stupid and set the backend by ip rather than hostname – and now I can't get the same computer to use that ip addess (someone else on the network took it) – what do I have to do to to change which ip the frontends are looking for? I tried the hostname changing thing in the guide, but its still not working
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[04:58:00] GeekZoid: can anyone help me figureout how to burn these files onto a dvd/
[04:59:00] ** NightBird transcodes a bunch of files... **
[04:59:00] NightBird: yeay for dropping ~ 800mb per file...
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: NightBird: How do you do it im looking at the instructions ont he mythtv site
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: and i see its already a MPG
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: file
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: but when i use dvdauthor
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: it givesme a bunch of errors
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: adn seg faults
[05:00:00] NightBird: GeekZoid, I copied it to my windows box, opened it in VLC media player, and stream it to a file
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: hrm
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: lol
[05:00:00] NightBird: :D
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: I have software for windows already
[05:00:00] GeekZoid: i want to do it with linux!!
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[05:01:00] GeekZoid: these instructions must be dated
[05:01:00] GeekZoid: because its already in mpg format..
[05:03:00] aegray_: there are different mpg formats
[05:04:00] GeekZoid: hmm
[05:04:00] GeekZoid: aegray_: how do i convert mythtvs format to a proper mpeg format?
[05:04:00] aegray_: using transcode afaik
[05:04:00] GeekZoid: ok
[05:04:00] NightBird: GeekZoid, you could try doing it in linux
[05:04:00] ** GeekZoid is in linux **
[05:04:00] NightBird: vlc is in linux as well
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[05:05:00] NightBird: also, rename the files to .mpg, and then alot of programs will realize the format... assuming you do have encoding anyways...
[05:06:00] GeekZoid: NightBird: they already are mpg
[05:06:00] GeekZoid: mythtv saved them as mpg
[05:07:00] pridkett: anyone know of an app to test XvMC on my system? I've got a GeForce 6600LE and xdpyinfo says that I've got xvideo-motion-compensation, but myth always says "no XvMC found"
[05:09:00] aegray_: anyone know where mythtv stores which sql server its connecting to?
[05:10:00] pridkett: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:10:00] aegray_: k thanks
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[05:13:00] |rt|: mchou: yeah reading up on the cablecard support for computers....apparently they are saying that vista will be able to use them...b/c the MPAA doesn't see that XP is secure enough (aka doesn't have enough DRM)
[05:13:00] bemis: -sigh-
[05:13:00] GeekZoid: hey bemis
[05:14:00] bemis: sup gz?
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: does anyone have any ideas on how to burn a mpg from mythtv into dvd
[05:14:00] bemis: i've found that k3b is convenient that way
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: mythtv already used mpeg format so it looks like those instructions....
[05:14:00] bemis: but there are some really comprehensive howtos on that front
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: im trying to use dvd author
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: and its not working very well
[05:14:00] aegray_: thats what I thought
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: bemis: Its already saved as a .mpg file
[05:14:00] GeekZoid: the instructions show how to do it with *.nuv files
[05:15:00] bemis: you've exported it out to an mpeg-2 file?
[05:15:00] Servo888: Not bad... mpeg2 decoding and encoding – I hope my cpu will run nice and cool
[05:15:00] GeekZoid: bemis: I'm using PVR-150..
[05:15:00] GeekZoid: and when i look at the mythtv directory
[05:15:00] GeekZoid: theres just one file a *.mpg file
[05:15:00] GeekZoid: but when i use dvdauthro
[05:15:00] GeekZoid: it gives me a bunch of errors
[05:15:00] bemis: (when you run file [filename] you get something along the lines of "MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex"?
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[05:16:00] GeekZoid: nope
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[05:16:00] GeekZoid: Mythtv saved it as a .mpg file
[05:16:00] GeekZoid: thats it
[05:17:00] bemis: what is the output of "file [filename]"?
[05:17:00] GeekZoid: 1003_20051106210000.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex
[05:17:00] bemis: okay
[05:18:00] GeekZoid: its saving as a MPEG-2PS in the frontend
[05:18:00] GeekZoid: it shows that.
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[05:18:00] bemis: yeah. what error does dvdauthor give?
[05:18:00] GeekZoid: WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU...
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[05:19:00] GeekZoid: then it segfaults
[05:19:00] GeekZoid: any ideaS?
[05:20:00] slide: I have 3 cards in my computer (not exactly sure what they are) and they are being detected during my boot as bttv0, bttv1 and ivtv0 but i dont see those items in /dev/ How do i config these in myth?
[05:20:00] bemis: http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/any2vob/
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[05:20:00] GeekZoid: hey bemis will that show me how to do it
[05:21:00] slide: oh i do see it saying "bttv0: registered device video0"
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[05:21:00] bemis: gz: i recommend giving k3b a shot – it can go through most of the pain for you
[05:21:00] bemis: if you're confident in your abilities you can try to follow one of the howtos like this:
[05:21:00] bemis: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709
[05:21:00] bemis: or one of the nuv2dvd howtos (skipping the nuv->mpeg2 step)
[05:26:00] bemis: so anyone in here have any experience with ota atsc cards?
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[05:46:00] grnfvr: will the mediamvp play 720 and 1080 video well/at all?
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: 720x480 mpeg2 without a problem, never tried hdtv
[05:47:00] GreyFoxx: It wont however output hdtv
[05:47:00] grnfvr: yeah, im talking hdtv
[05:47:00] grnfvr: ah
[05:47:00] grnfvr: ic
[05:47:00] GreyFoxx: and I'd be suprised if it had the hardware to scale it back
[05:47:00] GeekZoid: hi greyfoxx
[05:47:00] GreyFoxx: svideo / composite outputs only
[05:47:00] GeekZoid: I was wondering if you could help
[05:48:00] GeekZoid: im trying to burn a video that i recorded off a tv
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: If its relating to burning your stuff Ican't help ya
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: I don't do that
[05:48:00] ** GeekZoid sighs **
[05:48:00] GeekZoid: oh.. it saves it as MPEG format
[05:48:00] GeekZoid: i dont understand why it doesnt work :(
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: I've done it a couple times, but a long time ago
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: and my players all handle xvid anyway :)
[05:48:00] hxh: Hi, I've a Debian 3.1 system with a customer compile 2.6.14 kernel and ivtv0.4 with mythtv 0.18.1 and 2 PVR 500 cards. The system reboots whenever I schedule a recording and there is no message in the syslog . Any idea as to how to debug the issue ?
[05:49:00] GeekZoid: Well the documentation tells you how to do it with m2vs
[05:49:00] GeekZoid: so im trying to convert the mpefg to m2v.. bah.. anyway
[05:49:00] GeekZoid: its frustrating
[05:49:00] jemarcks__: does anybody use tape backup systems? What brands?
[05:50:00] GreyFoxx: Last one I used regularly was an HP DLT drive
[05:51:00] jemarcks__: well, now I am backing up onto dvd... i was thinking tape backup would be better
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: The problem with tapes is that they are slow, expensive, wear out too easily
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: and don't hold enough data unless you spend gobs of money
[05:52:00] jemarcks__: hmm... true
[05:53:00] jemarcks__: would you say dvd+rw discs are better for backup then?
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: Well I can't answer that. it depends completely on what you are backing up and how often
[05:54:00] jemarcks__: full backup every week.... ~4gig of stuff
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: My preferred backup solution is rsyncing data to another machine, and all "important" daa dumped from there to tape
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: Most of my data here auto syncs to a backup machine, which rsyncs to another I have in another location. And that is dumped to tape
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[05:55:00] jemarcks__: well, i sorta do that... i have my frontend box backing up via nfs to my backend server where the dvd burner is
[05:55:00] jemarcks__: nothing fancy really.
[05:56:00] jemarcks__: gtg... cya
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[06:05:00] grnfvr: so deinterlacing is what drives up the cpu needs so much for hdtv playback?
[06:06:00] pridkett: grnfvr: my understanding was that it was mainly an issue with the amount of data that required the large CPU
[06:07:00] grnfvr: amount of data as in how many pixels have to be uncompressed from mpeg2?
[06:08:00] pridkett: yes
[06:08:00] grnfvr: is mpeg2 decompression always done by the cpu, seems like i've seen some cards with mpeg2 harsware decoding
[06:08:00] grnfvr: they may not do hd res tho
[06:08:00] pridkett: xvmc helps offload some of the issue for hdtv
[06:09:00] pridkett: if you've got an nvidia card it should work
[06:09:00] pridkett: however, that's why I'm in here, because mine isn't working right now
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[06:10:00] grnfvr: hehe
[06:10:00] grnfvr: im still trying to wrap my head around what i would even need to do what i want
[06:11:00] pridkett: well, for HDTV, you'll want an XVMC capable card
[06:11:00] grnfvr: so, do I understand this right? hd off the air comes mpeg2, so no hardware of cpu is needed to encode the incoming hd signal, right?
[06:11:00] pridkett: this means NVidia (or Via Unichrome if you're adventurous)
[06:12:00] pridkett: correct
[06:12:00] grnfvr: s/of/or
[06:13:00] grnfvr: and here's my next big question. is there anything built in to support identifying certain frontends as standard def and downconverting content? is that even necessary?
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[06:16:00] GreyFoxx: grnfvr: it will automatically be scaled down(or up) as needed
[06:17:00] grnfvr: by the front or the back?
[06:17:00] grnfvr: is that costly on the cpu to take 1080 to 480
[06:17:00] GreyFoxx: the backend never has anything to do with playback other than the feed the compressed data to the forntend
[06:17:00] grnfvr: that's what i figured on that, ok
[06:23:00] grnfvr: hmm... linux journal says 2GHz AMD is plenty to bob de-int a hi-def video
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[06:30:00] pridkett: grnfvr: my 3000 bogs down with 1080i hdtv
[06:31:00] quink: i've been meaning to get an hdtv card one of these days
[06:31:00] GreyFoxx: pridkett: using libmpeg2 for decompression ?
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[06:34:00] pridkett: earlier today it was having problems, but it could have been the cable box setup too
[06:36:00] grnfvr: hmm... cable box, are you pulling mpeg2 off the cable set-top via firewire? or are you resampling analog and re-encoding the mpeg2?
[06:37:00] grnfvr: does that even make any sense?
[06:37:00] pridkett: grnfvr: I was pulling it off my dct-6200
[06:37:00] grnfvr: by firewire, right?
[06:38:00] pridkett: i've got a pchdtv card too. But I just got the athlon 64 a few days ago
[06:38:00] pridkett: GreyFoxx: it was using libmpeg2 for decompression. Watching live TV though
[06:38:00] pridkett: could have been the issue
[06:41:00] grnfvr: which nvidia chipset do you have?
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[06:42:00] pridkett: geforce 6600
[06:42:00] pridkett: heard that has issues
[06:42:00] pridkett: wish I would have known beforehand
[06:44:00] pridkett: actually, I think I can play back 1080i fine, I'm withing the EFF's LOTR 1080i clip right now
[06:44:00] bri: anyone knows something about the ivtv ftp? it isn t avaible...
[06:45:00] pridkett: bri: are you talking about shspvr?
[06:45:00] pridkett: for the firmware?
[06:45:00] bri: yes
[06:45:00] pridkett: yeah, it's down, i had to make my own archive from the stuff on hauppauge's site
[06:46:00] pridkett: I can give you a file that will work ivtvfwextract.pl if you'd like
[06:46:00] bri: scince when is it down?
[06:46:00] pridkett: I tried on friday with no love
[06:46:00] grnfvr: ha, i just found this, for the price and lack of monthly fee, it looks pretty tempting... http://tinyurl.com/aho5h
[06:46:00] bri: mhh thx i get it from a budy
[06:47:00] bri: too bad i hope it soon comes up again
[06:47:00] pridkett: i'm off to bed everone
[06:47:00] pridkett: later
[06:47:00] bri: cu
[06:52:00] grnfvr: if i have a pchdtv card and also firewire to a dct-6200, if i select to record a program that would be available from either device, how does it know which one to use?
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[07:33:00] nny: mythgames says my ver of xmame is unsupported (xmame .99) any advice?
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[11:24:00] juski: mind your limbs in the revolving doors ;)
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[11:25:00] fatmatt: heyas
[11:25:00] fatmatt: anyone got a minute to help wth some keyboard issues?
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[11:27:00] fatmatt: for some reason, when I'm browsing the recorded program listings, one press of the up/down/left/right keys causes the cursor tomove 2 steps as if I'd pressed it twice..
[11:27:00] fatmatt: everywhere else it works fine
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[13:37:00] zoi: I control my TiVo running mythtv with my gamepad, been fooling around a bit with mythgame.. it seems like once I quit a game/emulator all the joystick input goes to mythtv, too
[13:37:00] zoi: any ideas?
[13:39:00] laga: your TiVo does NOT run mythtv ;)
[13:39:00] laga: well, when you control mythfrontend with your gamepad, isn't it supposed to get all the joystick input?
[13:40:00] zoi: I don't want it to get any joystick input when I've started some emulator or game
[13:43:00] laga: oh. well, this is a known issue, i believe, you may want to search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ and svn.mythtv.org
[13:45:00] zoi: will do, thanks.
[13:46:00] bri: anyone knows a mirror where i can get this file: ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . 2254_inf.zip
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[13:58:00] pridkett: bri: I can give you a copy of the drivers from an archive I built myself
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[14:00:00] bri: can u dcc it to me? :)
[14:00:00] bri: or i can give you me e-mail address
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[14:22:00] zoi: laga: no luck searching :-(
[14:22:00] laga: zoi: write an email to -users then
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[14:29:00] Sylwae: nuv file is it divx format ?
[14:29:00] bemis: nuv is (if i'm not mistaken) simply a container/wrapper for the format you choose in your recording settings (being mpeg-1 mpeg-2 mjpeg or mpeg-4)
[14:30:00] Sylwae: if i choose mpeg-4, it will encode my video after recorderd ?
[14:30:00] laga: mpeg2 or mpeg1 files are real mpeg files with a .nuv file extension
[14:30:00] laga: Sylwae: it will encode your video while recording.
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[14:31:00] Sylwae: i don't know that ...
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[14:32:00] Sylwae: i just have to do changes in "encoder " page ?
[14:32:00] bemis: sylwae: it depends on what you want done
[14:33:00] bemis: sometimes it's appropriate to change things in the encoder page – sometimes at the transcoder page and sometimes just to deal with something like nuvexport
[14:33:00] Sylwae: i want to record tv in divx format ...
[14:33:00] bemis: does your card support that?
[14:34:00] bemis: (i couldn't get that to work on a pvr-250 – i had to record in mpeg-2 and auto-transcode to mpeg-4)
[14:34:00] Sylwae: bemis: no, it's a pvr150
[14:34:00] Sylwae: bemis: how you auto-transcode ?
[14:34:00] Sylwae: bemis: with jobs ?
[14:34:00] bemis: umm.
[14:34:00] laga: autotranscode will give you an mpeg4 file in a nuppel video container.
[14:35:00] laga: Sylwae: why do you need your recordings to be divx?
[14:35:00] bemis: im mythtv-setup i believe there's an option for job-runs or some such thing
[14:35:00] juski: isn't divx just borked mpeg4 anyway?
[14:35:00] Sylwae: laga: i need this, because i have 7GB space left
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[14:37:00] Sylwae: the best solution is to transcode ?
[14:38:00] bemis: that's my opinion
[14:38:00] Sylwae: others solutions ?
[14:38:00] bemis: since the card dumps hardware-based mpeg2, your options are limited.
[14:38:00] Sylwae: :S
[14:39:00] bemis: yeah.
[14:39:00] bemis: you can also go back and transcode old shows
[14:39:00] Sylwae: bemis: you transcode with mythtranscode ? or nuvexport ?
[14:39:00] bemis: both actually
[14:40:00] bemis: nuvexport is just a script-wrapper to mythtranscode ...
[14:40:00] bemis: but personally i prefer to do it within mythtv itself
[14:40:00] Sylwae: bemis: thanks, your script seems what ?
[14:41:00] laga: Sylwae: the best solution is to go out and buy a new hard drive
[14:41:00] laga: sorry, gotta run, cya
[14:41:00] Sylwae: bemis: (sorry for my english i'm french ...)
[14:41:00] bemis: go into your tv settings -> recording settings and set your transcoder settings are what you want
[14:42:00] bemis: then view an old recording and hit "X" to begin transcoding it
[14:42:00] Sylwae: laga: it's a good solution, perhaps the best :D
[14:42:00] bemis: but i do agree with laga
[14:42:00] Sylwae: bemis: me too
[14:43:00] Sylwae: bemis: thanks i will try it
[14:43:00] ivor: which reminds me.... yay seagate. :)
[14:44:00] ivor: drive died last week (after 3 years). popped in post... replacement sent out next day.
[14:44:00] Sylwae: really thanks for informations ;)
[14:45:00] bemis: :)
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[14:45:00] juski: 3 years isn't a bad life for something with an average design life of 5 years
[14:45:00] bemis: flip a coin on hard drives.
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[14:46:00] bemis: i've had a few go for 6 months – (one old recalled wd 6 gig has been running since like 96)
[14:46:00] juski: they certainly aren't specced for 24/7 operation lol
[14:47:00] juski: not your 'mainline' models anyway
[14:47:00] bemis: yeah – stuff like the wd raptor line are designed for that
[14:47:00] bemis: but you pay for it
[14:47:00] ivor: juski: tends to be just luck of the draw.
[14:47:00] ivor: have an ibm SCSI still going from erm 93 I think 24/7.
[14:48:00] bemis: yeah – i got a few old "full-height" 2 gig scsis in a few servers at work ... roughly same time frame.
[14:48:00] juski: where I work, we make manufacturers' MTBF & ARR figures look very conservative
[14:49:00] ** bemis flips coin **
[14:49:00] juski: treat a HDD well and it'll last ages.. the only problem in you can't always control the condition you receive the drive in
[14:49:00] ** ivor tries to find some wood to touch. **
[14:50:00] ** ivor realises its all synthetic! and he's doomed. **
[14:50:00] bemis: -laugh-
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[14:50:00] juski: pc parts supplier.. "here's ya hard disk... " BANG onto the bench... damn! I just paid for that!
[14:51:00] bemis: as a rule you're completly right ivor – and heat tends to be your #1 enemy in that regard ...
[14:51:00] bemis: err — juski, not ivor
[14:51:00] bemis: it's early
[14:51:00] ivor: :) ooh lunchtime.
[14:51:00] ** bemis wanders off to smoke and wake up. **
[14:52:00] juski: waking up is for fridays
[14:52:00] ivor: yeah heat is a real killer. The new big SATA's I've got run noticeably hotter.
[14:52:00] juski: vibration is the next big killer. apparently mounting drives adjacent to each other in standard PC HDD cages is bad for them
[14:53:00] juski: extreme seeks from a disk above another can knock the lower drive off-track
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[14:53:00] juski: hardly surprising when you consider what order of magnitude track widths are ;)
[14:55:00] Ryushin: ivor: Really. I was looking at putting six 500 GB seagate SATA's into my box. I didn't realize they were so much hotter.
[14:56:00] juski: Ryushin: consider putting them in caddies in that case, to get more mechanical isolation between them
[14:56:00] juski: seriously
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[14:57:00] Ryushin: Are they louder too?
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[14:58:00] bemis: actually i found my new 400s are quite a bit quieter than my old 120s
[14:58:00] juski: if you've got 6 of them does it matter much? I think it'd certainly be too loud for a livingroom
[14:58:00] Ryushin: My pvr ase has room for 6 drives. There really isn't any extra room to put in rubber gromits or anything. But maybe I can set the drive cage on gromits.
[14:59:00] ivor: Ryushin: no totally silent. but three of them stacked in a tight case and they were way too hot to touch! (before I increased the ventilation)
[14:59:00] juski: isolate each disk from the others
[14:59:00] ivor: to be fair I think they're faster spinning than the old ones too.
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[14:59:00] bemis: agreed – it is stronly advised to leave at leat half a drive-space between the drives.
[14:59:00] Ryushin: The case has room for 80mm fans that can blow directly on the drives. I'll get some 1800 rpm or such quiet fans to blow on the drives.
[15:00:00] juski: duct as much air as possible over as big a surface area of the disks as possible
[15:00:00] Ryushin: I figure 2.5 TB should be enough space to handle the transition to HD.
[15:00:00] rjune: I hope so
[15:01:00] Ryushin: Right now HD is 8 GB an hour. Eats up disk really fast.
[15:01:00] rjune: I'm not cool enough for HD yet
[15:01:00] ** juski hopes HD is mpeg4 when it hits the UK **
[15:01:00] rjune: hell, I'm not cool enough for 2TB
[15:01:00] Ryushin: And thats at 720p. 1080i will be even more.
[15:02:00] rjune: heh
[15:02:00] Ryushin: rjune: MPEG4 at HD resolutions will require a hell of a proc.
[15:02:00] juski: I've got 4TB just sitting here on my desk waiting to be tested lol
[15:02:00] rjune: prolly a Ghz
[15:02:00] bemis: but you can get away with downsampling that by an order of magnatude pretty easily without losing too much
[15:02:00] rjune: juski: :-P I've got a plan for 4TB, just not the money
[15:02:00] Ryushin: Yea, I just installed a 4.2 TB SAN. Not too bad for 10K.
[15:06:00] bemis: so ... some new faces in here now ... anyone in here have any experience with over the air atsc cards?
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[15:15:00] palten: got a little question, prolly ive missed some thing in the documentation but here it is, got a amd 64 box running centos, got 2 pvr150. When i record with one of them it records i pal but when i record a second time it switch to ntsc. This only happends with one of the cards, and if i restart the backend it is pal.
[15:16:00] bemis: does this happen if you remove one of the cards?
[15:17:00] palten: got it to work with the 2 cards before
[15:18:00] palten: first i thought the ivtv drivers had the wrong settings but i changed it to pal through ivtvctl -u
[15:19:00] palten: and then i can record one time i pal, then it switches to ntsc the next time
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[15:33:00] pridkett: so is it a pretty safe assumption that XVMC and the 64 bit nVidia driver don't play well together? I've found a couple of people who cited that.
[15:36:00] palten: ?
[15:38:00] palten: one of the cards work fine... if i use ivtvctl to set the dirver to pal it works perfectly can cap from it but when i use manual recordings and schedule it works the first time but when i try a second time it switches
[15:39:00] bemis: do you actually have 2 150s or 1 500?
[15:39:00] palten: 2 pvr 150
[15:42:00] bemis: what version of ivtv you running?
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[15:44:00] palten: 0.18.1
[15:44:00] bemis: that's your mythtv version
[15:44:00] bemis: the ivtv driver?
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[15:46:00] palten: irc.freenode.net
[15:46:00] palten: crap
[15:46:00] palten: 0.40
[15:51:00] palten: dont know if it makes any difference but im schedule all recordings through mythweb
[15:53:00] palten:
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[16:16:00] palten: looks promising... first card added and seems to works
[16:16:00] palten: -s
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[16:37:00] Ryushin: Anyone know what option I have to select in the kernel to have the dvb_demux module?
[16:37:00] Ryushin: I can't find it using menuconfig or looking in the .config file.
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[16:50:00] palten: it did the trick... removed all settings and added the cards.. now it works
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[16:55:00] DarwinUsr: mythtv is on the cover of the December issue of linux journal
[16:55:00] Chutt: you're about a week late with that.
[16:55:00] DarwinUsr: oook
[16:55:00] DarwinUsr: just got a copy...thought it was purty cool to see it
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[17:05:00] bemis: it's interesting to me to see that recognition of the progress that the project has made in the last couple years to the point where it's "mainstream" enough to be featured in a rag like that
[17:07:00] simon_c: Is there a way of farming out the transcoding to other machines ? I'd like my laptop to participate in transcoding, while it's there. But it's (obviously) not there all the time.
[17:08:00] bemis: simon: i've had mixed luck with getting boxes other than the recording box to transcode shows – although the support is supposedly there.
[17:08:00] Chutt: bemis, it's been in linux journal 2 or 3 times now.
[17:09:00] simon_c: bemis: Is that "it's there" as in, in theory an entire job can be handed over to another box, or "it's there" as in parts of jobs can be handed over to machines as and when they are available ?
[17:09:00] Chutt: and in linux format, 'cpu' magazine, wired
[17:09:00] Chutt: um... couple german mags, too
[17:09:00] bemis: chutt: indeed – it changes little of what i said
[17:09:00] Chutt: it's been in those years ago :p
[17:09:00] laga: Chutt: LinuxUser, pro-linux.de (just an translationf of something jarod's written), c't, ...
[17:10:00] bemis: i caught it in linux format i think a few months back – but what i meant wasn't that it was a new thing – just that it was a nice thing.
[17:11:00] bemis: (remembering back to the .10 and .11 days – when there was plenty of "coverage" of the project, but it mostly said "promising codebase – wait till it matures"
[17:11:00] bemis: (again, if memory serves, which is dubious)
[17:13:00] bemis: simon: not real sure .. i get the impression from the docs it's doable – i haven't yet figured it out
[17:13:00] simon_c: bemis: No worries. Thanks anyway.
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[17:16:00] bemis: http://www.urban75.org/useless/bored.html
[17:16:00] bemis: err .. wrong window
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[17:18:00] wolog: Is there a way to launch an external app from main mythtv menu (fe: sommething like <action>RUN xtetris</action>) ?
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[17:22:00] purplefrog: If I wanted to cut a 15 second chunk out of a 30-minute audio file, what software would I use?
[17:22:00] Beirdo: CoolEdit Pro in Windows
[17:22:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:22:00] purplefrog: don't have windows.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: maybe Audacity (never used it personally)
[17:23:00] bemis: audacity is pretty similar to the powerful windows cunsumer tools
[17:23:00] bemis: (like CEP)
[17:23:00] Beirdo: Ahhhhhh, Megadeth makes Monday not suck QUITE as hard
[17:23:00] Beirdo: especially at nearly concert volume :)
[17:24:00] purplefrog: I need to cut a chunk of music out of this IGPX episode so somebody can identify it for me and I can buy the CD.
[17:24:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:24:00] Beirdo: try Audacity, I've heard good things, but never tried it
[17:24:00] bemis: audacity should work
[17:24:00] purplefrog: I'm on it.
[17:24:00] bemis: there are other ways, some better, some worse, but audacity is probably the easiest gui based approach
[17:25:00] purplefrog: I'm not married to GUIs.
[17:25:00] bemis: (/me thinks back to using mplayer to cut audio chunks)
[17:25:00] Beirdo: and audio editing is one good use for GUIs
[17:25:00] Beirdo: and I hate GUIs as a general rule
[17:25:00] ** bemis shudders **
[17:26:00] purplefrog: hmm, mplayer...
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[17:28:00] Beirdo: morning, xris.
[17:29:00] Valk`: Ahh, can anyone help with sound blaster live drivers
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[17:32:00] bemis: valk: modprobe snd-emu10k1
[17:32:00] bemis: rather, what can i do for you?
[17:33:00] Beirdo: oooh, gmail is "temporarily unavailable"???
[17:33:00] Beirdo: go google, fix your servers :)
[17:33:00] laga: Beirdo: mine works. hehe
[17:33:00] Beirdo: and there it goes
[17:33:00] bemis: <laugh>mine works just fine (going through personalized google)
[17:33:00] Beirdo: likely transient load issues
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[17:37:00] BockBilbo: hello
[17:37:00] BockBilbo: is it recommended to install the cvs version?
[17:37:00] Beirdo: no
[17:37:00] Beirdo: we don't use CVS anymore
[17:37:00] BockBilbo: ohh Beirdo, so just install the latest version from the site
[17:37:00] BockBilbo: right=
[17:37:00] BockBilbo: ?
[17:38:00] Beirdo: if you mean SVN, then if you are feeling adventurous, by all means try it
[17:38:00] BockBilbo: ok
[17:38:00] Beirdo: but it's a constant work in progress
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[17:38:00] Beirdo: so expect to see funky issues sometimes while it's being worked on
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[17:39:00] Beirdo: I use the SVN code personally, it's pretty stable much of the time
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[17:42:00] bemis: purplefrog: you get your sound ripped?
[17:42:00] purplefrog: No. audacity is still compiling.
[17:42:00] bemis: blech
[17:42:00] bemis: did you try mplayer?
[17:43:00] purplefrog: I managed to figure out how to dump a chunk of audio using mplayer, but it's in PCM, and I'm not sure what to do with it after that.
[17:43:00] purplefrog: I can't even run mplayer on that PCM file.
[17:43:00] purplefrog: I wonder if bladeenc would handle it.
[17:43:00] bemis: (mplayer -ao pcm:file=output.wav -ss[timecode] [filename] then wait 20 or 30 sec, then hit q)
[17:43:00] bemis: <shrug> any mp3 encoder should handle it.
[17:44:00] purplefrog: I already got the EDL created.
[17:44:00] bemis: i use lame
[17:44:00] purplefrog: I'm using lame. finished.
[17:44:00] Valk`: bemis: snd-emu10k1 is already running...it isn't registering any devices
[17:44:00] Dibblah_: Doh. Don't upgrade GCC, upgrade to current SVN and recompile without make clean :)
[17:44:00] purplefrog: score.
[17:44:00] purplefrog: I have the sound extract!
[17:44:00] Dibblah_: ... You're recommending SVN?!?!?!? Wow.
[17:45:00] Dibblah_: ... SVN currently has no livetv, if you don't hack the code slightly.
[17:45:00] Beirdo: who is recommending SVN?
[17:45:00] Dibblah_: [16:38] Beirdo: if you mean SVN, then if you are feeling adventurous, by all means try it
[17:45:00] Beirdo: right
[17:45:00] Dibblah_: Sounded like a recommendation to me ;)
[17:45:00] Beirdo: if you are feeling adventurous
[17:46:00] Beirdo: livetv won't be busted forever
[17:46:00] Dibblah_: But hey, I'm starting to assume that noone reads checkins any more.
[17:46:00] bemis: valk: "lspci -v | less" and then look through there for the word "Creative"
[17:46:00] Beirdo: and many of us don't use livetv anyways
[17:46:00] Beirdo: if I want to watch live TV, I'll watch it on the TV, not throught myth
[17:46:00] Valk`: 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07
[17:46:00] Valk`: )
[17:46:00] Valk`: Subsystem: Creative Labs SBLive! Player 5.1
[17:46:00] Valk`: Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 185
[17:46:00] Valk`: I/O ports at e800 [size=32]
[17:46:00] Valk`: Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1
[17:46:00] bemis: okay ...
[17:47:00] Dibblah_: Indeed. However, the new livetv is _much_ faster on channel changes, surprisingly.
[17:47:00] Dibblah_: I'm guessing it's not got any locking going on, though.
[17:47:00] Beirdo: it's a work in progress
[17:47:00] Dibblah_: I am aware of that :)
[17:47:00] bemis: okay ...
[17:47:00] Beirdo: my box still does random gacks in the middle of shows and dumps me back to the recording list
[17:47:00] laga: Beirdo: so does mine
[17:47:00] Beirdo: but I haven't bothered to investigate it yet
[17:48:00] laga: Beirdo: same for me
[17:48:00] bemis: mine only does that over the vpn – local it's been behaving quite well.
[17:48:00] Beirdo: a slight nuisance, but I'm too busy doing other crap that it gets forgotten much of the time
[17:49:00] Beirdo: laga: you using NFS too?
[17:50:00] Beirdo: I think it spews a "couldn't read for 10s" and it only seems to happen when I'm manually skipping forward/back
[17:51:00] BockBilbo: can anyone tell me how can i get to know what frecuency setup do i have to use? I use a Plextor ConvertX and cant use any other program than mythtv... which doesnt let me scan ...
[17:51:00] BockBilbo: :(
[17:52:00] laga: Beirdo: nope.
[17:53:00] Beirdo: OK, then it's likely not directly caused by my file store being on NFS then
[17:53:00] laga: Beirdo: happens all the time for me, !skipping.
[17:53:00] Beirdo: eek
[17:53:00] laga: Beirdo: could be a broken mpeg stream. might upgrade to ivtv 4.0
[17:53:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:53:00] Beirdo: I've been using ivtv 0.2.0 something forever
[17:54:00] laga: by "all the time", i mean "occasionally during normal playback" of course
[17:54:00] laga: hehe, me too
[17:54:00] Beirdo: ivtv-0.2.0–63_rc3e.rhfc1.at
[17:54:00] purplefrog: ivtv 4.0 gives me visual glitches.
[17:54:00] laga: ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j
[17:54:00] laga: purplefrog: should report that then
[17:54:00] Beirdo: it could well be something that's been fixed in the ivtv drivers since, laga.
[17:55:00] purplefrog: DUde, there are items in ivtv's sourceforge tracker that are years old.
[17:55:00] laga: purplefrog: hehe
[17:55:00] Beirdo: but even then, why would a bad MPEG file cause a read freeze error?
[17:55:00] laga: Beirdo: i don't know. it always exits at the same time (frame), and i can play the file when i skip over it then.
[17:56:00] laga: Beirdo: well, i should upgrade ivtv, but i'm afraid of breaking things.
[17:56:00] Beirdo: me too :)
[17:56:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:56:00] bemis: upgrading ivtv is scary
[17:56:00] laga: ;)
[17:56:00] purplefrog: Your fears are well-founded.
[17:56:00] laga: Beirdo: yep
[17:56:00] Beirdo: well, if it happens at the same frame, it's a good chance it's the file
[17:56:00] laga: i dont want a broken setup. nuvexport gives me enough trouble atm.
[17:56:00] purplefrog: I've had some SPECTACULAR ivtv breakages in the past.
[17:56:00] laga: Beirdo: could as well be a broken seektable or something
[17:57:00] laga: purplefrog: i started using ivtv pre-0.1.9. those were scary times ;)
[17:57:00] Beirdo: yeah, those days sure sucked
[17:57:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:57:00] bemis: i just recently fell off the "i can do this myself 0.2.z" (or some such thing) back to gentoo-portage 0.3.0 and was in awe at how smoothly it went.
[17:57:00] Beirdo: gah...
[17:58:00] purplefrog: Dude, don't say any more or I'll have to sleep with the lights on for a month.
[17:58:00] Beirdo: stupid-ass WMP
[17:58:00] laga: purplefrog: hahahaha
[17:58:00] Beirdo: went from Megadeth right into Metallica – Ride The Lightning
[17:58:00] bemis: ivtv is scary though – specially when you lose the firmware ...
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[17:59:00] purplefrog: yeah, one gentoo upgrade gave me busted firmware.
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[17:59:00] laga: hehe
[17:59:00] laga: gentoo tends to break my ipw2100
[17:59:00] bemis: gentoo has actually been *very* myth/ivtv friendly in the past 6 months or so — i've been really impressed.
[17:59:00] bemis: (they still can't help me with my stupid hdtv wonder – but then again who can?)
[18:00:00] laga: i'm using debian sarge for my mythtv boxen. because i need/want them to be stable.
[18:00:00] ** laga downgrades purplefrog's ivtv **
[18:01:00] ** mocker wonders when the next release is due. **
[18:02:00] ** Beirdo wonders when the next trouting is due :) **
[18:02:00] laga: way overdue
[18:02:00] Beirdo: I'm sure we'll see a release just as soon as it's ready to be released
[18:03:00] Valk`: mythtv is giving me permission errors when trying to open /dev/video0
[18:03:00] ** Beirdo gives laga some wireless mice to chuck at the rioting idiots in France **
[18:04:00] laga: Beirdo: true that.
[18:04:00] laga: i believe they' started riots about a hundred kilometres away
[18:04:00] Beirdo: nice
[18:05:00] Beirdo: toss a "souris" at them
[18:05:00] Beirdo: maybe it will do some good
[18:05:00] laga: hehe
[18:05:00] laga: souris a la molotov ;)
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[18:05:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:06:00] bemis: valk: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html#devperms
[18:06:00] laga: ok, gotta run. ttyl.
[18:06:00] Beirdo: I think a corded mouse would make a better weapon to toss though. swing it by the cord and release a the right time
[18:06:00] Beirdo: WHACK
[18:08:00] Valk`: not running mandrake
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[18:10:00] Beirdo: NP: Metallica – For Whom The Bell Tolls
[18:11:00] laga: np: die apokalyptischen reiter – master of the wind
[18:12:00] ** Beirdo masters some wind for laga **
[18:12:00] Beirdo: that's better
[18:12:00] laga: hehe
[18:12:00] laga: ugh
[18:13:00] Beirdo: the problem with this CD is I don't want to hit stop :)
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[18:14:00] laga: ;)
[18:14:00] Beirdo: now Fade to Black
[18:14:00] Beirdo: this is just too good to interrupt when you are in the mood
[18:15:00] ** laga pulls the plug **
[18:15:00] laga: darn, i'm supposed to be afk. bye.
[18:15:00] Beirdo: good luck, it's on a laptop
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[18:29:00] Beirdo: teh xris is back
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[18:36:00] xris: and so I am.
[18:38:00] ** xris messed up mythweb for all svn users... **
[18:38:00] xris: well, it still works, but also doesn't-work if you're not careful
[18:38:00] jasta: hi xris.
[18:38:00] Chutt: xris, no biggy =)
[18:38:00] xris: Chutt: yeah, I know
[18:38:00] xris: I actually like the new look, though
[18:39:00] Chutt: i haven't seen it
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[18:43:00] xris: I'm putting in a title page of sorts...
[18:44:00] xris: with section listings like titivilus/gant/etc...
[18:44:00] xris: mouseover the section and get info in a box to the right of it.
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[18:48:00] a1fa: hi
[18:49:00] a1fa: what do you guys think about Streamzap Remote
[18:56:00] pridkett: does anyone else have a need for a mutually exclusive set of tuners? IE: Two tuners show up, but only one can be used at a time (I'm thinking analog capture card plugged into a DCT-6200). If there is, I might try to clean up my work and submit it.
[18:58:00] xris: pridkett: what would be the point?
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[19:00:00] a1fa: hey
[19:00:00] pridkett: I've got digital cable hooked up to a PVR-250. The firewire doesn't output the digital cable channels, just the hd. So right now I'm stuck with either no digital channels (which means no scifi) or no hdtv.
[19:00:00] a1fa: guys.. seriously.. i want to order this streamzap
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[19:00:00] a1fa: the firewire?
[19:00:00] a1fa: you mean the firmware?
[19:01:00] pridkett: a1fa: no, I can get HDTV off my Motorola DCT6200 over firewire
[19:01:00] a1fa: ah
[19:01:00] a1fa: LO
[19:01:00] a1fa: cool
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[19:01:00] pridkett: the tuner is built into mythtv, but it doesn't give me the digital cable channels
[19:02:00] a1fa: re scan your channels maybe?
[19:02:00] pridkett: so if I want digital cable, I need to have the box tune to the channel and send the signal over svideo to my analog tuner
[19:02:00] a1fa: i am not sure if you can even do digital cable on pvr-250
[19:02:00] pridkett: a1fa: you can't, that's why I need the DCT6200 to tune it
[19:02:00] pridkett: a1fa: and when the DCT6200 is tuned, it can't be sending me the HD
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[19:03:00] xris: a1fa: that's required by law
[19:03:00] pridkett: so I can use of either the DCT6200 for HDTV, or a combo of the DCT6200 and PVR250 to get digital cable
[19:03:00] pridkett: xris: what's required by law? doing digital cable on a pvr-250?
[19:03:00] xris: pridkett: sounds like an appropriate question to ask in #mythtv... though you'll most likely just be told to submit the patches.
[19:04:00] xris: pridkett: no, sending HD over firewire
[19:04:00] a1fa: hm
[19:04:00] a1fa: why is that
[19:04:00] pridkett: xris: yeah, that's the crux of the issue. I get HD over firewire, but only HD channels. So to do that, I break support for digital cable.
[19:04:00] pridkett: thus, the mutually exclusive tuners
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[19:06:00] juski: hometime :D
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[19:14:00] a1fa: i just ordered that streamzap
[19:14:00] a1fa: remote
[19:14:00] a1fa: $29
[19:14:00] a1fa: it says its supported by linux
[19:15:00] a1fa: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/streamzap/PC_Remote
[19:16:00] jams: it is
[19:16:00] jams: I am using that remote
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[19:17:00] pridkett: jams: does that exhibit a bit of a lag between when you hit the buttons and get a response? My PVR250 remote does not feel zippy like a tivo remote.
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[19:18:00] jams: not really
[19:18:00] jams: just a tad bit slower then my irman but it's nothing that is really noticed
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[19:19:00] pridkett: hmmm...I wonder my remote feels so laggy
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[19:21:00] sphing: OT: anyone good with proc files?
[19:21:00] a1fa: jams : is it any good?
[19:22:00] a1fa: i hope i made a good decision
[19:22:00] a1fa: $29.59
[19:22:00] jams: a1fa, it's not as good as my mx500 but it's a good remote
[19:22:00] jams: well worth the $30
[19:23:00] a1fa: i bought a creative remote
[19:23:00] a1fa: in 2002
[19:23:00] a1fa: for $7
[19:23:00] a1fa: and now i cant find any
[19:23:00] jams: heck the usb reciever is worth the $30
[19:23:00] a1fa: it was brand new
[19:24:00] a1fa: so i can use reciever with any remote, right
[19:24:00] jams: pretty much
[19:24:00] a1fa: nice ;P
[19:24:00] jams: some like the pvr-250 remotes limit reception to rc-5 protocal
[19:24:00] pridkett: how hard is it to get that working with LIRC?
[19:24:00] jams: simple enough
[19:24:00] pridkett: just compile the module and go?
[19:25:00] jams: there are some configs floating around to drop into place for mythtv
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[19:26:00] ** mocker needs to set some buttons to control audio timing in mplayer. **
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[19:26:00] mocker: Seems like I'm always a second off.
[19:27:00] a1fa: you can control that ;P
[19:30:00] a1fa: i am using that internal video player
[19:30:00] Peit|home: does anyone here managed to get mythTv (frontend) to run on linux on a mac mini?
[19:31:00] bill2or3: peit, if you get a good answer tothat, let me know.
[19:31:00] sphing: Peit|home: i think someone on the mailinglist has
[19:31:00] bill2or3: cause a mini would look nice atop my tv
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[19:35:00] riksta: i have an ATI remote wonder that works with LIRC, which doesn't use infrared but instead uses RF, it works great
[19:36:00] sphing: i have the niveus clone...
[19:36:00] sphing: its very good also
[19:37:00] a1fa: niveus?
[19:38:00] a1fa: omfg
[19:38:00] a1fa: i should've gotten that ati remote control
[19:39:00] a1fa: they go for $15
[19:39:00] a1fa: and they are bad ass
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[19:40:00] mishehu: I think the ati remote is a bit latent
[19:40:00] a1fa: but i dont see that lirc supports it
[19:40:00] a1fa: and I hate lagf
[19:41:00] a1fa: i hate my wireless keyboard and mouse, bcos i feel that 0.001ms lag
[19:41:00] laga: dude, mythtv is not counter strike
[19:41:00] a1fa: i do love counter-strike: source ;P
[19:41:00] riksta: a1fa: i assure you it does
[19:41:00] riksta: it has an atiusb module
[19:41:00] a1fa: i believe you
[19:41:00] riksta: i don't really care about the tiny lag
[19:41:00] a1fa: but http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/
[19:41:00] riksta: its only channels after all
[19:42:00] a1fa: how fast does mythtv change channels?
[19:42:00] riksta: lsmod |grep ati
[19:42:00] riksta: lirc_atiusb 16800 0
[19:42:00] riksta: lirc_dev 13028 1 lirc_atiusb
[19:42:00] Beirdo: oh PLEASE
[19:42:00] Beirdo: wireless keyboard and mouse has lag? you are on crack
[19:42:00] riksta: a1fa: it depends, my myth takes a while cuz im on dvb-t
[19:42:00] mishehu: lirc does support the ati remote
[19:42:00] Beirdo: heya, riksta
[19:42:00] laga: Beirdo: he plays CS.
[19:42:00] riksta: hey m8y
[19:42:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i am serious.. i feel the lag
[19:42:00] mishehu: I've not used it yet, but I know its there
[19:42:00] Beirdo: bah. you are just drunk when typing
[19:42:00] a1fa: its a slight lag, you cant even notice it, but you know it is there
[19:42:00] laga: a1fa: are you a pro gamer?
[19:43:00] mishehu: Beirdo: they lag on fps's
[19:43:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[19:43:00] Beirdo: a fine excuse
[19:43:00] mishehu: not on mythtv
[19:43:00] a1fa: hahaha.. pro gamers is luxury
[19:43:00] riksta: a1fa: that was a contradiction
[19:43:00] mishehu: however, the atiremote is a bit latent for my tastes.
[19:43:00] a1fa: i know man.. but i do feel the lag
[19:43:00] Beirdo: if you can't notice it, it's not lagging
[19:43:00] a1fa: i do notice it
[19:44:00] riksta: if you are gonna say that, then there is a slight lag when you press a key on a normal keyboard, cuz the electircal signal takes time to travel the cable, you dont notice it, but you know its there :P
[19:44:00] Beirdo: then have fun with wires
[19:44:00] a1fa: but it is very very tiny
[19:44:00] xris: Beirdo: or wireless keyboard, which is what I use
[19:44:00] a1fa: haha
[19:44:00] Beirdo: xris: that's what he's bitching about
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[19:44:00] mishehu: riksta: the lag is less on wired usually.
[19:44:00] a1fa: can you guys give me an avarage it takes to change a channel on PVR-500 and mythtv?
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[19:44:00] riksta: i know, i'm fooling
[19:44:00] xris: really? oh. no lag on my keyboard.
[19:44:00] Beirdo: there's no noticable lag on any of my wireless keyboards
[19:44:00] xris: lag in mythtv's interface, but not the keyboard
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[19:45:00] BockBilbo: hello
[19:45:00] Beirdo: and all my keyboards at home are wireless except the ones builtin to the laptops
[19:45:00] BockBilbo: any of you using the plextor conver t x?
[19:45:00] mishehu: it usually takes .9 seconds to change the channel on my system, but that's because I have to use an ir blaster
[19:45:00] riksta: it takes me 2–3 :(
[19:45:00] Beirdo: I don't change channels
[19:45:00] riksta: Beirdo: doesn't do livetv :)
[19:45:00] Beirdo: I watch my massive pile of pre-recorded stuff
[19:45:00] a1fa: no i mean.. even if u used the keyboard
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[19:46:00] a1fa: how long does it take the tuner to tune in
[19:46:00] a1fa: i know ati all-in-crapland took 1–2s to change a channel
[19:46:00] xris: mishehu: man, mine's at least 3x that
[19:46:00] riksta: depends on the card a1fa
[19:46:00] a1fa: PVR-500
[19:46:00] a1fa: i am going for the big dog
[19:46:00] Beirdo: I hate TV networks
[19:46:00] Beirdo: they suck
[19:46:00] a1fa: i hate tv commercials
[19:46:00] ** xris wishes c-band dishes weren't so friggin' huge. **
[19:47:00] a1fa: thats why i want to offset my channel when i watch it, by at least 10minutes
[19:47:00] Beirdo: they create a new show... run like 2 or 3 episodes and before people have time to even start getting into it at all, they cancel them
[19:47:00] Beirdo: a1fa: just record the programs and playback later
[19:47:00] a1fa: tru
[19:47:00] a1fa: :P
[19:47:00] Beirdo: mythtv frees you from the tyranny of TV scheduling
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[19:47:00] a1fa: i whish they had to signal when they play commercials. so you dont even have to ff
[19:48:00] riksta: yeah its all about the recordings, screw livetv
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[19:48:00] laga: riksta: yes. TV is dead, long live TV
[19:48:00] riksta: :)
[19:48:00] xris: a1fa: huh? mythtv's commercial detection is pretty good these days..
[19:48:00] riksta: xris: not here in the UK
[19:48:00] a1fa: xris : how does that work? it recognizes the black screen?
[19:48:00] xris: a1fa: bunch of different ways.
[19:48:00] Beirdo: it still screws itself on the occasional Law & Order, but it works pretty well recently
[19:49:00] xris: riksta: that sucks. even with dvb signals? or do you not have dvb?
[19:49:00] riksta: yeah I have dvb-t
[19:49:00] xris: wow, that's lame.
[19:49:00] riksta: yeah
[19:49:00] xris: guess it's tweaked for the hauppauge cards. heh.
[19:49:00] riksta: it's so hit and miss i dont bother with it
[19:49:00] riksta: i just FF them cuz i dont usually watch livetv
[19:50:00] Beirdo: it works fine for me :)
[19:50:00] Beirdo: heh
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[19:50:00] Beirdo: riksta: you just have to move to North America
[19:50:00] Beirdo: get with the program :)
[19:50:00] riksta: no thanks
[19:50:00] riksta: :P
[19:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:50:00] Beirdo: you dissing Canada?
[19:50:00] riksta: no im just making far too much money here :P
[19:50:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[19:51:00] Beirdo: you could go to France and riot
[19:51:00] laga: that would rock.
[19:51:00] riksta: sounds fun
[19:51:00] riksta: i'll take some whiskey
[19:52:00] Beirdo: bring some Irishmen with you, they can teach the French how to do it right... they had some practise like 15–20 years ago
[19:52:00] riksta: no shit they are rough as hell
[19:52:00] xris: Beirdo: aren't you LEAVING canada because it sucks?
[19:52:00] Beirdo: and be sure to give THEM whiskey
[19:52:00] Beirdo: no no no
[19:52:00] riksta: guniess
[19:52:00] riksta: guiness
[19:52:00] Beirdo: I'm planning on leaving Canada because Puerto Rico's nicer
[19:52:00] Beirdo: Guinness
[19:53:00] xris: like I said.
[19:53:00] riksta: Beirdo: you said canada was too expensive
[19:53:00] xris: there are far better stouts than guinness
[19:53:00] Beirdo: no
[19:53:00] Beirdo: I said Toronto's too expensive
[19:53:00] riksta: same diff :)
[19:53:00] Beirdo: Toronto may be the center of the universe, but there's a lot more to Canada than Toronto
[19:54:00] a1fa: lol
[19:54:00] riksta: yeah, like skiing and bears
[19:54:00] a1fa: QBEC
[19:54:00] a1fa: oh.. BrunoB is from Canada
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[19:54:00] a1fa: Peter North is from Canada
[19:54:00] Beirdo: and Vancouver's just about as expensive as Toronto these days
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[19:54:00] a1fa: all the great fuckers from the porn industry are from Canada
[19:54:00] a1fa: Christine Young
[19:54:00] Beirdo: Pamela Anderson
[19:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:54:00] ** xris wonders how the topic changed to pr0n **
[19:54:00] a1fa: and Yvone
[19:54:00] a1fa: they are all from Canada
[19:54:00] Beirdo: a1fa: you watch too much pr0n
[19:54:00] a1fa: well Pamela never did any "porn"
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[19:55:00] Beirdo: sure she did
[19:55:00] riksta: haha beavis i was thinking the same thing
[19:55:00] a1fa: i am in porn industry myself ;P
[19:55:00] xris: a1fa: well, other than playboy
[19:55:00] Beirdo: just she didn't expect it to be public
[19:55:00] riksta: a1fa: what do you do
[19:55:00] a1fa: playboy is not porn :P
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[19:55:00] a1fa: riksta : talent
[19:55:00] xris: a1fa: no, it's porn. it just happens to be GOOD (most of the time)
[19:55:00] Beirdo: her video with Tommy Lee qualified as porn
[19:55:00] riksta: hahaha is there such a thing in porn?
[19:55:00] a1fa: i was only kidding.. i dont do porn.. i do it security
[19:56:00] Beirdo: crappy pr0n perhaps... but it qualified
[19:56:00] xris: riksta: sure. playboy has good photographers, good touchup artists.
[19:56:00] a1fa: but i whish i sometimes whish i did porn.. when my gf is being a biXXX
[19:56:00] riksta: hacker!
[19:56:00] a1fa: no.. i do security operations
[19:56:00] ** Beirdo hands a1fa the camcorder **
[19:56:00] a1fa: Beirdo : its gotten to a point where it is illegal to tape sex now
[19:57:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:57:00] a1fa: Beirdo : some guy got sued
[19:57:00] a1fa: bunch of people webcasted in college, and girls got upset
[19:57:00] a1fa: sued bunch of people
[19:57:00] a1fa: i always tried to get my friends to webcast it.. just for the laughs
[19:57:00] a1fa: never really worked out.. always emberassing shit
[19:57:00] Beirdo: that's not because they were taping
[19:58:00] Beirdo: that's because it was without consent
[19:58:00] a1fa: like this time, this chick wouldnt do it, but she was down for a hj
[19:58:00] a1fa: Beirdo : hell yeah :O
[19:58:00] Beirdo: get your GF to consent... then video her
[19:58:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:58:00] a1fa: nah..
[19:58:00] a1fa: i'd never do that to her
[19:58:00] a1fa: maybe if it was some1 i didnt care
[19:58:00] laga: good for her, bad for us
[19:58:00] a1fa: gotta play nice man
[19:59:00] a1fa: i think.. hiding a video cma.. banging her. and then showing her the video is kind of kinky
[19:59:00] a1fa: but that is about it
[19:59:00] a1fa: the tape gets destroyed there... and doesnt go anywhere
[19:59:00] a1fa: but back to the myth
[19:59:00] a1fa: i need mythssh plugin
[19:59:00] laga: mythssh?
[19:59:00] Beirdo: so write one
[20:00:00] a1fa: small console window, highly zoomed in.. so you can see it from the distance
[20:00:00] laga: duh, just launch your favourite terminal emulator with appropriate font settings
[20:00:00] a1fa: large font.. maybe using konsole.. with large font, with transparent background and white font
[20:00:00] mocker: Could probably even fool mythgame into launching it for you.
[20:00:00] a1fa: mocker : thats what i was thinking
[20:00:00] a1fa: it needs to be neat tho
[20:01:00] mocker: How neat can SSH be?
[20:01:00] mocker: You could have a transparent full screen terminal.
[20:01:00] mocker: With TV in the back!
[20:01:00] a1fa: well. i was thinking more "terminal"
[20:01:00] laga: you could fool mythfrontend itself into launching it by editing the xml files
[20:01:00] a1fa: mocker : sir. i like that idea, but you wouldnt be able to see anything
[20:02:00] a1fa: i am going to mess with
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[20:03:00] BockBilbo: :(
[20:03:00] BockBilbo: cant find info on my problem on the iwki
[20:03:00] BockBilbo: *wiki
[20:04:00] a1fa: so here is the deal
[20:04:00] a1fa: i want a blue border
[20:05:00] a1fa: and a bash terminal w/ transparent black with a background
[20:05:00] a1fa: i dont want it to launch another screen
[20:06:00] laga: happy programming
[20:06:00] a1fa: it shouldnt be that hard ;P
[20:06:00] a1fa: if all else fails
[20:06:00] Beirdo: good thing you're doing it then
[20:07:00] xris: heh. recruiter just left feedback from my website for a $90k job
[20:07:00] Beirdo: muhahaha
[20:07:00] a1fa: what is your website?
[20:07:00] a1fa: doing what for $90k
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[20:07:00] bill2or3: that's how all legitimate recruiters make thier offers.
[20:07:00] Beirdo: talent
[20:07:00] bill2or3: :-/
[20:07:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[20:07:00] xris: a1fa: perl/sysadmin
[20:08:00] xris: bill2or3: yeah. I just like how random this one was... "looks like you already have a perm job, but I'm hoping you might know someone who is available"
[20:08:00] xris: ... unless you're interested.
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[20:11:00] ** xris ponders what he'd do with 90k/year **
[20:11:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:11:00] bill2or3: uh. got a house?
[20:11:00] Beirdo: pay off the house faster?
[20:11:00] bill2or3: and a wife?
[20:11:00] laga: xris: who's reponsible for the transcode exporters in nuvexport these days?
[20:11:00] Beirdo: have kids?
[20:11:00] bill2or3: it'd go fast.
[20:11:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:11:00] xris: laga: me
[20:11:00] bill2or3: like heroin?
[20:11:00] xris: Beirdo: yeah, kids are planned for next year.. well, kid.
[20:12:00] Beirdo: cool. $90k would be helpful in that situation
[20:12:00] xris: house would easily suck up the extra money.
[20:12:00] xris: yeah, but I wouldn't leave my job here.
[20:12:00] xris: just hope for a raise. heh.
[20:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:12:00] laga: xris: great. i have problems with transcode 1.0.2, it doesn't accept the -j parameters (neither does 0.6.14). do you want a bug report in your trac?
[20:12:00] Beirdo: muhahahah
[20:12:00] xris: pretty sure there's one there already
[20:12:00] laga: xris: k.
[20:12:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
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[20:12:00] laga: xris: well, i'm going to try and find a solution then ;)
[20:12:00] Beirdo: oy, I need to wake up
[20:13:00] a1fa: i wonder if konsole will go into fullscreen
[20:13:00] a1fa: via xinit ;P
[20:13:00] Beirdo: konsole is krap
[20:13:00] a1fa: i love konsole :(
[20:13:00] clintar_: does firewire really work in myth?
[20:13:00] laga: Eterm + screen rock
[20:13:00] BockBilbo: Beirdo, can you tell me if it is normal to see a green image when a chanel is not set up correctly?
[20:13:00] a1fa: +screen?
[20:13:00] a1fa: why?
[20:13:00] laga: a1fa: screen is a terminal multiplexer, basically a window manager for terminals
[20:14:00] Beirdo: BockBilbo: it might be, not sure, been a LONG time since I had a non-working channel
[20:14:00] clintar_: psuedo-virtual terminals?
[20:14:00] laga: BockBilbo: i usually get ant war (black ones VS white ones) on a dead channel
[20:14:00] laga: oh, GREEN. i read grey.
[20:14:00] a1fa: yeah
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[20:15:00] Beirdo: otwin: having issues?
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[20:15:00] ** Beirdo continues to get a bit high off coffee **
[20:15:00] twitchmax: greetings
[20:15:00] otwin: Beirdo: nothing serious
[20:15:00] BockBilbo: Beirdo, laga see i cant get to see any channel correctly using a plextor convert x
[20:16:00] Beirdo: OK, your client was flopping a bit there, otwin
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[20:16:00] twitchmax: was wondering if anyone has any experience getting tv to span dual monitors with xinerama?
[20:16:00] BockBilbo: im trying out the capturer with a program that comes with the modules called gorecord, and Ive managed to record some images, so the modules are ok
[20:16:00] Beirdo: BockBilbo: I don't have one, that may be it's failure mode
[20:16:00] BockBilbo: i see
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[20:17:00] BockBilbo: but well, when using that program and recording in a frecuency with no channel, i see black and white points moving around the screen and not a green colourde screen
[20:17:00] BockBilbo: ...
[20:18:00] johnny99: Can someone help me with this one: i just setup myth – and all is good so far (satellite)....but when I try to schedule a recording – or even just hit R to record something I'm getting QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[20:19:00] a1fa: do they make fixed sys at: 34
[20:19:00] johnny99: i have more of an error than just that – but it's a bit long to paste here...anyone seen something like this b4 tho?
[20:19:00] xris: sounds like too old mysql
[20:19:00] xris: depending on what the full error is
[20:19:00] johnny99: mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.11
[20:20:00] Beirdo: johnny99: feel free to post the whole error onto pastebin.ca
[20:20:00] Beirdo: and give the URL
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[20:21:00] xris: definitely not too old, then
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[20:21:00] dzentoo: hi all
[20:21:00] Beirdo: mmmmm, goffee
[20:21:00] Beirdo: coffee even
[20:22:00] johnny99: http://pastebin.ca/27895
[20:22:00] dzentoo: I resolved my problem with my bttv card :)
[20:22:00] Beirdo: good
[20:22:00] dzentoo: so I got a signal now :p
[20:23:00] xris: johnny99: schedule a recording by hand? looks like it's missing the start/end times in the query.
[20:23:00] Beirdo: hmm. might be too old a mysql client library or something, I don't know my qmysql3 too well
[20:23:00] johnny99: the guide comes up, and I go in there and go record this time only....yet, it never seems to save the settings.
[20:24:00] johnny99: and – just hitting R while watching TV – should work – wihtout having a time right? cuz there's no need to set one there.
[20:24:00] xris: johnny99: *something* has to set the time... even if it's "now"
[20:24:00] xris: what version of myth?
[20:25:00] johnny99: mythtv-0.18.1–114.rhfc4.at
[20:25:00] xris: odd. maybe it's a legit bug.
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[20:26:00] a1fa: how can you run two apps with xinit?
[20:26:00] johnny99: hmm -weird :(
[20:27:00] cougar_h: only one question, what is EIT everybody are talking about? ;-)
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[20:31:00] xris: johnny99: you could always upgrade to svn... though livetv is currently broken
[20:32:00] a1fa: guys
[20:32:00] a1fa: i am tyring to run xplanet and konsole at the same time
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[20:36:00] Peit|home: o.k. mac mni now has working video (looks like i forgot sysVipc in the kernel)
[20:36:00] johnny99: xris: yah – the majority of watching – is livetv i'm afraid :(
[20:37:00] johnny99: i wonder what else it could be...noone else seems to be having this problem.
[20:37:00] a1fa: this is crazy :P
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[20:38:00] xris: johnny99: yeah, no clue, sorry.
[20:38:00] johnny99: thanks xris
[20:38:00] johnny99: i just updated mysql to 4.1.14 – so we'll see what happens when i get home i guess.
[20:38:00] johnny99: not sure that's it tho.
[20:39:00] xris: no, look at the query in the error message. it's actually missing fields.
[20:39:00] a1fa: how do you set a background on xinit?
[20:40:00] Beirdo: xris: likely from the errors before it
[20:40:00] Beirdo: with the invalid string
[20:40:00] xris: yup
[20:40:00] johnny99: and why would it be missing actual fields? i didn't do any weird changes.
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[20:40:00] johnny99: so – that QDateTime?
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[20:41:00] johnny99: sounds like it might have something to do with QT then
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[20:44:00] Beirdo: quite likely a qt-related issue
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[20:46:00] a1fa: why isnt glx working when you are running tv-output?
[20:47:00] stoffel: xris: have you seen my comment to nuvexport ticket #61?
[20:48:00] xris: stoffel: no, haven't read nuvexport tickets in awhile
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[20:48:00] stoffel: well, it's about the new .mpg files not being seen by nuvexport
[20:49:00] xris: stoffel: they work just fine
[20:49:00] xris: there was a typo in the code
[20:49:00] xris: your fix was incomplete
[20:49:00] xris: laga pointed that out yesterday
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[20:51:00] stoffel: hm, ok then. i only test this fix briefly.
[20:52:00] a1fa: does anyone know why doenst glx work wiht Options for TV output
[20:52:00] xris: a1fa: depends on your driver
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[21:13:00] clintar_: anyone here use firewire?
[21:13:00] clintar_: from a cable box
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[21:14:00] clintar_: i bet nobody does...
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: Some do, but not many
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[21:17:00] pridkett: clintar_: I have it working
[21:17:00] pridkett: I watched the steelers-green bay game yesterday over it
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[21:20:00] clintar_: does it regularly stop working on channel changes?
[21:21:00] clintar_: know how i can prove to the cable company that they have to provide those channels, btw?
[21:23:00] laga: xris: you there?
[21:23:00] xris: no
[21:23:00] laga: xris: darn! M(
[21:23:00] laga: ;)*
[21:24:00] laga: xris: why do we crop the image with -j x,x,x, and add black borders again afterwards with -Y?
[21:25:00] xris: not sure what you mean
[21:27:00] laga: xris: i'm sorry, give me a minute to elaborate
[21:27:00] xris: I thought -Y was something to do with color correctio
[21:28:00] xris: but I haven't looked at the options in so long, I'm sure I'm wrong
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[21:29:00] laga: xris: i'm using nuvexport from SVN with the transcode exporter. it does cropping with -j to get rid of the black bars/noise on the edges and it's also using -Y 0,-2,0,-2 for example
[21:29:00] laga: wait a sec, i'll put it on pastebin
[21:30:00] xris: -Y only happens if you're taking a 16:9 recording and encoding to a non-16:9 format
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[21:31:00] xris: or vice versa
[21:31:00] laga: xris: anyways, seems like transcode -j doesn't work properly anymore, at least not in combination with the parameters here: http://pastebin.ca/27904
[21:31:00] laga: ok.
[21:32:00] xris: dunno
[21:32:00] xris: your thing doesn't look like it's doing the proper letterboxing thing, either.
[21:32:00] xris: maybe it's a weird thing with PAL
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[21:33:00] laga: ok. do you see any downsides in using -Y for doing the actual cropping?
[21:33:00] laga: xris: possible.
[21:34:00] laga: nuvinfo says "4:3" for the aspect ratio of that file
[21:34:00] xris: I honestly don't know what any of the parameters do
[21:34:00] xris: haven't looked at them in so long, and I think Beirdo did that part of the code.
[21:34:00] Beirdo: yes, I did...
[21:34:00] laga: ok.
[21:34:00] laga: Beirdo: do you have any idea or should i fiddle some more? ;)
[21:35:00] Beirdo: what's the issue?
[21:36:00] laga: Beirdo: well, transcode 0.6.14 and 1.0.2 don't like the -j parameter. wait a sec, pastebin...
[21:36:00] Beirdo: there's a certain order that those parameters are used internally
[21:36:00] laga: it says "[transcode] critical: invalid top/bottom clip parameter for option -j
[21:36:00] laga: "
[21:37:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[21:37:00] laga: Beirdo: you mean, -j and -Y or the whole command line?
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[21:37:00] Beirdo: maybe it wants a multiple of 4
[21:37:00] Beirdo: try hacking it
[21:37:00] laga: Beirdo: i tried that, but it didn't seem to work.
[21:37:00] laga: let me try it again.
[21:37:00] Beirdo: change the 10s to 12
[21:37:00] laga: -j 12,12,12,12 still says "invalid top/bottom clip parameter"
[21:38:00] Beirdo: keep fiddling
[21:38:00] laga: hehe ;))
[21:38:00] Beirdo: try 16s
[21:38:00] laga: nope.
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[21:39:00] Beirdo: or maybe try looking at the man page
[21:40:00] laga: Beirdo: did that. transcode wiki seems most useful at the moment
[21:41:00] laga: interesting. works with negative values.
[21:41:00] Beirdo: or at the source? ;)
[21:41:00] Beirdo: it might have strange requirements
[21:42:00] laga: i *hate* reading C/C++ source
[21:42:00] Beirdo: if you can find the error, you can find what causes it
[21:42:00] laga: hehe. i will understand like 10% of it, not enough to bother ;)
[21:46:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[21:48:00] a1fa: does anyone know why doenst glx work wiht Options for TV output
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[21:57:00] sylwae: re all
[21:59:00] sylwae: i try to transcode automaticly tv recorded, but my new file is largest
[22:00:00] sylwae: somebody can tell me why ?
[22:01:00] xris: because you set your transcode profile to a higher bitrate
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[22:01:00] sylwae: how can i set to a lower bitrate ?
[22:01:00] Hal: laga: stupid question — is -j expecting a bounding box?
[22:02:00] Hal: laga: http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Transcode would imply yes, but I don't use it
[22:02:00] sylwae: where ?
[22:02:00] laga: Hal: i'm sorry, what is a bounding box? or is it explained in the man page? ;)
[22:03:00] Hal: laga: sorry, really not familiar with transcode, so may be wrong, but
[22:03:00] Hal: laga: it could be expecting start x, start y, end x, end y
[22:03:00] Hal: does -j 10,10,12,12 work?
[22:04:00] Hal: laga: never mind
[22:04:00] Hal: I'm wrong
[22:04:00] Hal: Teach me to speak of that which I do not know
[22:04:00] laga: Hal: nope, sorry, doesn't work :)
[22:04:00] sylwae: xris, can you help me ?
[22:05:00] laga: Hal: thanks for trying anyways:)
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[22:06:00] sylwae: xris, i found it
[22:06:00] sylwae: xris, thanks
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[22:13:00] mstanisl: anyone using firewire w/ a dct-62xx box? specifically regarding comcast
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[22:24:00] a1fa: :(
[22:24:00] a1fa: does anyone know why doenst glx work wiht Options for TV output in xorg conf
[22:24:00] kormoc: a1fa, it depends on your videocard drivers if it supports it or not
[22:24:00] laga: a1fa: look in /var/log/xorg.log
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[22:25:00] a1fa: gforce MX4000
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[22:25:00] a1fa: it works wihtout tv options
[22:25:00] ** bagpuss_thecat waves to edward **
[22:25:00] kormoc: a1fa, is the tv the primary display?
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[22:30:00] a1fa: yup
[22:30:00] a1fa: i dont have crt
[22:30:00] a1fa: but i should enable crt then?
[22:31:00] kormoc: nah, you need it to be the primary display for glx.
[22:31:00] a1fa: i need the tv to be the primary display?
[22:31:00] a1fa: in order for glx to work
[22:31:00] kormoc: yeah, usually that's how it is
[22:32:00] a1fa: so option usedisplay tv crt
[22:32:00] a1fa: :P
[22:32:00] a1fa: no syntax ;P
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[22:33:00] kormoc: nah, you can't do that. The crt becomes the primary display automatically if it's connected period.
[22:33:00] a1fa: aha
[22:33:00] a1fa: i dont have crt
[22:33:00] a1fa: just tv
[22:33:00] a1fa: Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" # Add this if you're having problems
[22:33:00] a1fa: i've heard this fixes it.. i havnet tested this yet
[22:34:00] kormoc: it could very well
[22:35:00] a1fa: what is the reason
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[22:37:00] kormoc: a1fa, it could think your crt is a old monitor that doesn't give off any signal that it is there and so it defaults it on anyway
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[22:38:00] a1fa: ahh good ;P
[22:38:00] a1fa: i am gonna add this tonight and test
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[22:38:00] a1fa: i need crt bcos i want to runa few opengl games
[22:38:00] a1fa: billard-gl
[22:39:00] a1fa: gltron
[22:39:00] DonLKSAB: Yo!
[22:39:00] DonLKSAB: Anyone using a ATI remote?
[22:39:00] a1fa: yeah
[22:40:00] a1fa: some guy was using it today
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[22:41:00] clintar_: that reminds me i need to see if this remote wonder II works yet
[22:41:00] bagpuss_thecat: am I missing something really obvious when I get a blank screen when I ask Mythtv to "Watch TV"?
[22:42:00] bagpuss_thecat: it's a nova-t card, with dvb-t working fine with dvbstream and mplayer
[22:42:00] bagpuss_thecat: mythfilldatabase has run succesfully as well
[22:42:00] clintar_: it's a pretty common problem
[22:42:00] clintar_: check that your initial channel is right in mythtv-setup
[22:42:00] bagpuss_thecat: so there should be a common answer hopefully :-p
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[22:42:00] laga: Out of Memory: Killed process 28556 (mythtranscode).
[22:42:00] bagpuss_thecat: oooh, ok doke
[22:42:00] laga: nice one
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[22:43:00] clintar_: that was what caused it last time i had that problem
[22:44:00] clintar_: i can't get a remote frontend to comminicate with the backend. nmap shows the port open and the backend running, but the frontend times out and then the dialog that comes up freezes
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[22:56:00] BockBilbo: hello again
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[23:04:00] FunkyELF: Hey guys, I wanted to set up mythvideo I have it installed but I need to tell it where my videos are. Where do I do that?
[23:04:00] jams: it's in the frontend setup section
[23:04:00] FunkyELF: I looked at the documentation and it told me to look at the readme, but I don't know where that is because I'm on gentoo and I just ran "emerge mythvideo"
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[23:08:00] FunkyELF: jams, in mythsetup ?
[23:08:00] a1fa: hey
[23:08:00] jams: no withing the setup screens of mythfrontend
[23:08:00] a1fa: how often do you need to run that mythfilldatabase
[23:09:00] jams: most run it once a day
[23:09:00] Krazylegz: Did you guys do the survey from Zap2It lately?
[23:10:00] Krazylegz: The last "question" is asking us to not do mythfilldatabase in the wee hours of the morning if possible.
[23:10:00] kormoc: heh, likly cause that's the default of myth
[23:10:00] Krazylegz: They didn't single out mythfilldatabase.
[23:10:00] kormoc: ooh?
[23:11:00] Krazylegz: I'll try to pull up the exact question, but that's kind of a PSA.
[23:12:00] Krazylegz: Don't have it anymore.
[23:12:00] Krazylegz: Anyway, they are having some concurrency issues and have asked that Zap2It users try to download listings in the late morning/afternoon/evening instead of late night/early morning to help them with load.
[23:14:00] a1fa: jams : can i setup a cron for that?
[23:14:00] kormoc: a1fa, set it up in myth-setup
[23:14:00] a1fa: kormoc : it is so hard to use myth-setup on tv
[23:15:00] a1fa: i am going to have to install a vnc server
[23:15:00] kormoc: if you setup a cron and it's already setup in myth-setup, you'll be running it twice for no reason
[23:15:00] a1fa: ok
[23:16:00] a1fa: i will set it up in myth-setup..
[23:16:00] a1fa: one more thing.. do you need to create a user or it is allready created for mythfilldatabase?
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[23:17:00] a1fa: i am borrowing a PVR-350 tonight
[23:17:00] a1fa: and recording my first tv show at 7
[23:18:00] mstanisl: i just bought a 350
[23:18:00] mstanisl: been using firewire heh
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[23:18:00] a1fa: lol
[23:18:00] a1fa: nice
[23:19:00] a1fa: http://www.atechfabrication.com/atech_4000_order_form.htm
[23:19:00] a1fa: wow
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[23:24:00] bagpuss_thecat: clintar_: not having much luck with it, I've followed the instructions at //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-commits@mythtv.org/msg02234.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-commits@my . . . sg02234.html but to no avail
[23:25:00] bagpuss_thecat: I'm even considering using CVS now >:-/
[23:30:00] bagpuss_thecat: unless anyone else can offer an insight into the "ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup." problem?
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[23:34:00] Peit|home: has anyone here seen 'mixer unable to find control Master'?
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[23:34:00] dzentoo: hi
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[23:41:00] dzentoo: so i think I have a problem, or there is something that i don't understand
[23:42:00] pookSter: Hi dzentoo
[23:43:00] pookSter: good evening group
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[23:43:00] dzentoo: it is 23:40 here :)
[23:43:00] pookSter: so its still evening :)
[23:43:00] dzentoo: :)
[23:44:00] pookSter: I keep forgetting not everyone is in NA
[23:44:00] dzentoo: pookSter: I don't understand how to configure channels
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[23:44:00] pookSter: you mean in the setup?
[23:45:00] dzentoo: yes
[23:45:00] pookSter: I have only done it a couple of times myself, so I might not be able to explain
[23:45:00] dzentoo: ok
[23:45:00] pookSter: where are you located?
[23:45:00] dzentoo: not a problem
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[23:50:00] pookSter: dzentoo
[23:50:00] pookSter: ....
[23:51:00] dzentoo: yes ?
[23:51:00] pookSter: where are you located?
[23:51:00] dzentoo: ah sorry I'm from france
[23:51:00] pookSter: ok, so driving over to help you is out of the question....
[23:51:00] pookSter: do you have an online tv program guide?
[23:52:00] dzentoo: I'm gonna get it
[23:52:00] dzentoo: so, I used tv_grab_fr
[23:52:00] dzentoo: in order to get a list of the channels
[23:52:00] pookSter: In north america, I just put in my account information into Zap2it listings and all the channels were put in automatically
[23:53:00] pookSter: everything just magically worked for me, but maybe someone from Europe can give you a hand
[23:53:00] dzentoo: tv_grab_fr has created a file with the channel name, etc ..
[23:53:00] pookSter: I see
[23:54:00] dzentoo: so after that i launched mythfilldatabase
[23:55:00] pookSter: did you get any errors?
[23:55:00] dzentoo: no one
[23:55:00] pookSter: not one? or no one? :)
[23:55:00] dzentoo: no one :)
[23:55:00] dzentoo: can I paste the last 4 lines ?
[23:56:00] pookSter: I haven't read the channel rules, but I can't see a problem
[23:56:00] dzentoo: ok
[23:57:00] dzentoo: Marking repeats...found 0
[23:57:00] dzentoo: Unmarking repeats from grabber that fall within our new episode window...found 0
[23:57:00] dzentoo: 2005-11–08 00:53:16.134 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[23:57:00] dzentoo: 2005-11–08 00:53:16.140 Using protocol version 15
[23:57:00] dzentoo: Is that correct ?
[23:58:00] pookSter: is that knoppmyth?
[23:58:00] dzentoo: no, the backend is running on a gentoo
[23:59:00] pookSter: I can't say one way or the other dzentoo, hang around and some people might read this
[23:59:00] dzentoo: okay

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