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    datetime:  2010-12-01 10:13:40 (UTC)
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Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 00:02 UTC
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[00:21:00] sskk: it's a very bad idea to have the backend running as root right?
[00:23:00] xris: depends
[00:23:00] xris: you get realtime cpu priority if you do
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[00:25:00] kormoc: depends on how much you trust the myth devs
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[00:25:00] Krazylegz: Muahahahaha.
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[00:28:00] sskk: The knoppmyth people run the backend as root, don't they?
[00:28:00] Chutt: i run the backend and frontend as root.
[00:29:00] xris: hmm.. Chutt, you sure that you trust those mythtv dev guys?  ;)
[00:29:00] Chutt: i dunno
[00:31:00] Chutt: bah
[00:31:00] Chutt: my stupid vpn software was breaking activesync
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[00:41:00] fooker: Hey. Is there a place where specific frequencies can be input for each channel? ie, channel 2 is 76.25mhz?
[00:42:00] xris: mythtv-setup channel editor?
[00:42:00] xris: and you can edit current channels in mythweb
[00:43:00] fooker: mythweb?
[00:44:00] jd86: ugh, trying to teach my dad how to use mythtv is slow to say the least
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[00:48:00] fooker: jd86: Teach me at the same time :)
[00:51:00] jd86: i'm not teaching him how to set it up, only how to highlight watch tv, and then press ok
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[00:52:00] Blam-phone: evening all...
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[00:53:00] jd86: evening
[00:57:00] fooker: So is there a place where you can input specific FREQUENCIES for each channel, in the mhz form? Not FREQIDs...
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[01:03:00] kormoc: fooker, in the database
[01:03:00] fooker: Can't seem to find it in there...
[01:03:00] fooker: which table?
[01:04:00] fooker: Channels has a list in it, but doesn't seem to have a spot for frequencies
[01:05:00] kormoc: maybe not then... I thought for sure...
[01:05:00] ** kormoc peers **
[01:06:00] kormoc: guess not then.
[01:07:00] fooker: MythTV seems so good, if it just had a decent setup utility or a set of config files..
[01:08:00] fooker: Where does myth store the stuff it downloads from datadirect?
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[01:11:00] NightMonkey: fooker: mysql
[01:13:00] \Grooby\: hey guys..got a really really dumb question
[01:13:00] \Grooby\: i am making my azap/channels.conf right now
[01:13:00] \Grooby\: do I need to rename the channels to match what zap2it have on their site?
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[01:16:00] fooker: I just need something to record off of the svideo/RCA/coax inputs for a few hours... is there anything thats simple to setup?
[01:17:00] fooker: I can see why Linux isn't a biggie in the PVR market...
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[01:17:00] kormoc: fooker, because you can't edit frequencys by hand? I doubt any pvr can do that.
[01:17:00] kormoc: fooker, anyway, if it's a mpeg2 card, you can just cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[01:17:00] garf: How can I clear the whole mysql database?
[01:18:00] kormoc: fooker, else you can try mplayer
[01:18:00] kormoc: garf, DROP DATABASE mythconverg; in mysql
[01:18:00] fooker: kormoc: tvtime and freevo both allow me to do exactly that.
[01:18:00] garf: thx
[01:18:00] \Grooby\: :(
[01:18:00] kormoc: fooker, tvtime isn't really a pvr...
[01:19:00] \Grooby\: fooker, you have experience with dvb?
[01:19:00] kormoc: freevo, fair nuff, didn't know bout that.
[01:19:00] fooker: \Grooby\: Not really, no
[01:19:00] \Grooby\: doh
[01:19:00] fooker: kormoc: Unfortunately, freevo can't do other things properly, and theres no support
[01:20:00] kormoc: fooker, you know that you can just record off fo svideo/etc in myth without messing with frequencys, right?
[01:20:00] fooker: How
[01:20:00] \Grooby\: no kids has stop by
[01:20:00] \Grooby\: wow
[01:20:00] kormoc: fooker, set the input to what one you want
[01:20:00] \Grooby\: what ever happen to halloween
[01:20:00] kormoc: fooker, in mythsetup
[01:21:00] kormoc: \Grooby\, when razor blades ended up in apples, it was a death blow
[01:21:00] fooker: Theres no mythsetup on this machine....
[01:21:00] \Grooby\: roflmao
[01:21:00] kormoc: fooker, try myth-setup?
[01:22:00] garf: Kormoc, what's that sql file you're supposed to import to start off the database
[01:22:00] fooker: mythtv-setup, yes. But I see noting for recording a specific channel off of TV input without setting the frequencies
[01:22:00] kormoc: fooker, change the input type to svideo and it will auto pick the frequency.
[01:22:00] Chutt: how would you record a channel without the frequency?
[01:22:00] Chutt: kind of hard to tune to a specific channel without one.
[01:23:00] \Grooby\: back to setting up channels.conf
[01:23:00] fooker: Well, maybe Freevo will work this time... manually setting channel with tvtime, killing it to keep the volume piping through, and then firing up freevo...
[01:23:00] fooker: be back in an hour or so
[01:23:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[01:23:00] garf: candy,
[01:24:00] Chutt: methinks someone doesn't know what they're talking about
[01:24:00] ** fooker knows he has no clue what he's talking about **
[01:24:00] Chutt: that's an understatement
[01:25:00] fooker: Well, with a program like this, the only way to learn is to get in and get your hand dirty, it seems
[01:25:00] erich141: does anyone know if it is possible to have two instances of lirc running on two COM ports?
[01:25:00] kormoc: fooker, so you set the input to record off of to svideo and hook up a svideo signal and it does not work?
[01:26:00] fooker: kormoc: Haven't tried that yet. Getting the coax input to work is a higher priority
[01:26:00] fooker: Because tomorrow I need to record our church service off of our live camera system
[01:26:00] Chutt: mythtv is a pvr
[01:26:00] fooker: And the only output is coax :)
[01:26:00] Chutt: it is not a general recording application
[01:27:00] fooker: vcr seems to be the only general recording app, and there is no way in hell our pastors will ever learn how to use it
[01:28:00] fooker: myth has a decent frontend that they may eventually learn to use, so why not go for it?
[01:28:00] Chutt: because it doesn't work like that.
[01:28:00] Chutt: wrong tool for the job.
[01:30:00] fooker: Actually, right tool for the job. It can be used to record the different camera outputs, play them back, rewind, pause, and then fastforward the live video stream during the service, etc
[01:30:00] Chutt: again.
[01:30:00] Chutt: mythtv is a pvr.
[01:30:00] Chutt: it is not a general recording app.
[01:30:00] Chutt: sounds like you want a vcr.
[01:31:00] fooker: And I just explained that a PVR is what I need
[01:31:00] Chutt: you're not recording programs.
[01:31:00] fooker: Besides, PVR = Personal Video Recorder.
[01:31:00] Chutt: you do not want or need a pvr.
[01:32:00] fooker: vcr is a general recording app. Say everyone learns to use it. I still can't use that to pause and rewind the live streams coming through the video system, for disection by our video team
[01:32:00] fooker: If I wanted to do that, they would have to learn another program.
[01:32:00] kormoc: Chutt, well, one can think of it as he's just watching a live tv shwo that's being recorded 10 feet away...
[01:33:00] Chutt: kormoc, not the same thing
[01:33:00] kormoc: ooh?
[01:33:00] Chutt: unless he wants to create program data, etc, and schedule recordings
[01:34:00] fooker: So what would you suggest I use, that has a nice GUI frontend, is reasonably easy to setup and use, and can do everything I need done?
[01:34:00] Chutt: dunno
[01:34:00] Chutt: this channel's for mythtv, not for recommending random other applications
[01:34:00] fooker: Well, then I use a PVR
[01:34:00] kormoc: fooker, as for coax recording, the input comes in via a channel number, you can just record off of that channel number and that should work.
[01:34:00] kormoc: fooker, just fyi, Chutt is the dev of mythtv.
[01:35:00] NightMonkey: fooker: Have you looked at kvd/vdr?
[01:35:00] NightMonkey: fooker: http://www.s.netic.de/gfiala/
[01:35:00] fooker: kormoc: Ah, that explains allot
[01:36:00] fooker: kormoc: And then how do I do playback? Rewing and pause? etc etc?
[01:36:00] NightMonkey: fooker: Zapping? http://zapping.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/view
[01:36:00] NightMonkey: fooker: TVTime? http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/
[01:37:00] kormoc: fooker, watch recorded programs, select the currently recording program and it's p to pause, arrow back to rewine, arrow forward to go forward, etc
[01:37:00] fooker: Then they have to learn multiple programs. Getting them to learn one is hard enough
[01:37:00] NightMonkey: Doh, tvtime doesn't support recording, sorry.
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[01:38:00] NightMonkey: fooker: kdvr looks like it might meet your goals nicely.
[01:38:00] NightMonkey: Doh, kvdr
[01:38:00] kormoc: fooker, basically you would have to as Chutt said, and create data in the db saying the show starts at x and goes till y and all that, set it up to record, and noone needs to touch it anymore, it will automatically record. then in the front end, just watch the currently recording program to see it go
[01:38:00] Chutt: if you wanted to use myth, of course
[01:38:00] Chutt: but that'd be the wrong thing to do
[01:39:00] fooker: I'll be back later – supper
[01:39:00] fooker: Sorry :(
[01:41:00] SqWaw: How do tables get created in the mythconverg database?
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[01:44:00] NightMonkey: SqWaw: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[01:46:00] SqWaw: NightMonkey, I did that, then viewed it in phpmyadmin. No tables exitt...
[01:46:00] SqWaw: exist*
[01:46:00] NightMonkey: SqWaw: Can you connect to mysql at all?
[01:46:00] SqWaw: yep
[01:46:00] SqWaw: it did what it was suuposed to do...
[01:46:00] SqWaw: all that does it grant privelages to the user: myth
[01:46:00] NightMonkey: SqWaw: Does the mysql user have the right to create tables?
[01:47:00] SqWaw: mythtv rather...
[01:47:00] SqWaw: yea
[01:47:00] SqWaw: the user was root, w/ all privelages
[01:47:00] SqWaw: mythtv localhost Yes ALL PRIVILEGES Yes
[01:47:00] SqWaw: root MythTV Yes ALL PRIVILEGES Yes
[01:47:00] SqWaw: root localhost Yes ALL PRIVILEGES Yes
[01:47:00] NightMonkey: SqWaw: Oh, do you mean how does mythconverg get program, channel, etc. data?
[01:47:00] SqWaw: user | host | password | global privileges | grant
[01:47:00] SqWaw: mythfilldatabase
[01:48:00] SqWaw: what im saying is.. there are no tables in the DB that was made
[01:48:00] SqWaw: does mythfilldatabase create tables?
[01:48:00] SqWaw: ...never minds, it can't possibly
[01:48:00] SqWaw: Database error was:
[01:48:00] SqWaw: Table 'mythconverg.videosource' doesn't exist
[01:51:00] NightMonkey: SqWaw: Dunno – better minds here than I on this topic, but I would guess that mythsetup does that?
[01:52:00] NightMonkey: Sorry, mythtv-setup
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[02:00:00] Dark`-`: yo :)
[02:02:00] paulway: (: oy
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[02:03:00] NightMonkey: yoy – for greeting people you do not wish to greet.
[02:03:00] NightMonkey: ;)
[02:04:00] PaulWay[w]: The greeting that takes as it gives ;-)
[02:04:00] Dark`-`: lol
[02:04:00] NightMonkey: PaulWay[w]: heh
[02:05:00] PaulWay[w]: so does anyone know anything abouy the project to add IPTV support to Myth?
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[02:11:00] PatrickDK: hmm can I get a random person to help me really quick?
[02:11:00] PaulWay[w]: I'm random enough, go ahead.
[02:11:00] PatrickDK: want to ssh into tenchi.patrickdk.com like 6 times or so
[02:12:00] PatrickDK: failed auth is perfect :)
[02:12:00] NightMonkey: ?
[02:12:00] PaulWay[w]: you want me to ssh thing@tenchi.patrickdk.com six times or so, yes?
[02:12:00] PaulWay[w]: And what happens to me after that?
[02:12:00] PatrickDK: yes
[02:12:00] PatrickDK: banned
[02:12:00] NightMonkey: PaulWay[w]: Arrest.
[02:12:00] PatrickDK: for 5 hours
[02:13:00] PatrickDK: I have't seen any ssh attacks in the last hour
[02:13:00] PatrickDK: and that is odd
[02:13:00] PatrickDK: so I want to check that my changed to my ssh attack detection is working ok
[02:13:00] PaulWay[w]: What's your IP, so's I can check we're attacking the right thing.
[02:13:00] PatrickDK: 66.36.239.125
[02:13:00] PaulWay[w]: Righto.
[02:14:00] PatrickDK: well, really 66.36.239.64/26
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[02:14:00] PaulWay[w]: That seems to have done it – it's said "too many authentication failures"
[02:14:00] PatrickDK: that is just 3 attempts
[02:14:00] PatrickDK: till ssh kills you
[02:15:00] PatrickDK: to it once more
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[02:15:00] PaulWay[w]: I get six attempts (three saying 'permission denied' and three not)
[02:15:00] PaulWay[w]: then I can ssh bar@tenchi.patrickdk.com and I get the same thing.
[02:15:00] PatrickDK: ya, 3 are password, 3 are keyboard-interactive
[02:15:00] PaulWay[w]: I'm not denied.
[02:15:00] PatrickDK: give it a second to work
[02:16:00] PaulWay[w]: I did.
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[02:16:00] PatrickDK: guess I did break it :(
[02:16:00] PaulWay[w]: Same again with twinge@tenchi.patrickdk.com just now.
[02:17:00] PaulWay[w]: Back to work for you :-)
[02:17:00] PatrickDK: ok, try again please :)
[02:17:00] PatrickDK: I think I forgot some ()
[02:18:00] _Nero_: still workin on that ssh box eh Patrick?
[02:18:00] PatrickDK: ya, it was working perfect
[02:18:00] PatrickDK: but made some changed and broke it :(
[02:18:00] PaulWay[w]: YEah, _Nero_, we're trying to r00tzor him.
[02:19:00] PatrickDK: I got tired of seeing dups
[02:19:00] PatrickDK: so trying to clear those out
[02:19:00] PaulWay[w]: heeheeheehee :-)
[02:19:00] _Nero_: I hate it when I do that.. ;)
[02:19:00] _Nero_: (which is often..)
[02:19:00] PatrickDK: well, this is in perl
[02:19:00] PaulWay[w]: Strange, I only get about one SSH attack every couple of days. Obviously some machines are much more targetable than others...
[02:20:00] PatrickDK: I program c, asm mostly
[02:20:00] PatrickDK: I get an average of 7 attacks a day
[02:20:00] PatrickDK: atleast for the last two weeks
[02:20:00] _Nero_: damn..
[02:20:00] PaulWay[w]: Heh heh heh – I'm the other way around. I usually program Perl but I've been writing C lately.
[02:20:00] PatrickDK: an attack is more than 5 bad attemps per min
[02:20:00] _Nero_: I should look into my logs, and see..
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[02:21:00] PaulWay[w]: So, now that I've got you talking, does anyone know anything abouy the project to add IPTV support to Myth?
[02:22:00] _Nero_: DAMN
[02:22:00] _Nero_: I am seeing 8 or so attacks in just the last 3 hours.
[02:22:00] NightMonkey: I get tons of attacks from China. Admin, Audit Thyself.
[02:23:00] NightMonkey: Getting them for several months now. Logwatch is your friend.
[02:23:00] NightMonkey: As is chkrootkit.
[02:24:00] _Nero_: yeah.. I am not afraid of anyone getting in.. just would like to start doing bans of those who are attempting (after, say 5 failed login attempts..)
[02:24:00] PaulWay[w]: I got an attack the other day trying to get through that old awstats vulnerability, and their zombie bot was a Perl script.
[02:24:00] PaulWay[w]: How lame was that! It even gave the writer's email address!
[02:25:00] PaulWay[w]: I don't mind them filling up the logs; I just send their ISPs a complete log of the transaction and this usually result in 'account termination'
[02:25:00] NightMonkey: PaulWay[w]: Even in China?
[02:26:00] PaulWay[w]: Well, the ones in China are usually rooted boxes themselves. You just look up the
[02:26:00] PaulWay[w]: And, yes, often my email disappears into thin air when dealing with china.
[02:27:00] PaulWay[w]: I've got the occasional good response from Korea.
[02:27:00] NightMonkey: PaulWay[w]: Well, that's what they might want you to think... ;)
[02:27:00] PaulWay[w]: The trick is to know the admin email addresses. samspade.org and abuse.org are your friends.
[02:27:00] _Nero_: the guy attacking right now is from Korea
[02:27:00] NightMonkey: PaulWay[w]: And whois.
[02:27:00] PaulWay[w]: Yeah, whois is the first line of questioning.
[02:28:00] PatrickDK: ok, paul, try again
[02:28:00] PaulWay[w]: Nah, I'm bored, someone else do it.
[02:28:00] PatrickDK: you where producing error's I haven't seen before
[02:28:00] NightMonkey: _Nero_: Ask him if he can get me a good deal on an Istation V43. ;)
[02:28:00] PatrickDK: heh, but your error are more interesting :)
[02:28:00] PatrickDK: out of all the logs/man I have looked at, I have never seen that one before
[02:29:00] PaulWay[w]: Nup, I was able to do the same user twice in succession.
[02:29:00] PatrickDK: that should trigger it in a moment
[02:29:00] PatrickDK: paul, you should
[02:29:00] PaulWay[w]: and again
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[02:29:00] PatrickDK: and now?
[02:29:00] PaulWay[w]: Yeah, now it's not responding.
[02:30:00] PatrickDK: heh, tested new code, and parsing of new error message :)
[02:30:00] PatrickDK: thanks
[02:31:00] PaulWay[w]: Yep, my IP would appear to be banned completely – even nmap thinks you're off air.
[02:31:00] PatrickDK: ya, it's a route
[02:31:00] PatrickDK: I modified the routing table to send any ip from you to /dev/null
[02:31:00] PatrickDK: actually, you where banned by 8 servers
[02:32:00] PaulWay[w]: iptables -I thingo ## -s 1.2.3.4 -j REJECT
[02:32:00] PatrickDK: -j DROP
[02:32:00] PatrickDK: to do that in linux
[02:32:00] PatrickDK: this is freebsd
[02:32:00] PaulWay[w]: Oh well, whatever.
[02:33:00] PatrickDK: and using route is faster than using firewall rules
[02:33:00] PatrickDK: and uses less cpu power
[02:33:00] PatrickDK: and route has higher entries than the firewall can have
[02:33:00] PatrickDK: or so people smarter than me with freebsd say
[02:34:00] PaulWay[w]: It's all a question of how much processing you need to do, really.
[02:34:00] PatrickDK: I have had them hit me at 1mbps before
[02:34:00] PaulWay[w]: iptables has lots of wonderful filters and so on, but sometimes you just need a block on the source IP.
[02:35:00] PatrickDK: my friend has had his dual t1 pipes clogged with them
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[02:36:00] PatrickDK: I have seen people that attack, then I blockthem, thenanother ip picks up
[02:36:00] PatrickDK: it normally takes 3–4min till I block all the ip's they use though
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[02:41:00] PatrickDK: Thanks much paul
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[02:49:00] PaulWay[w]: PatrickDK: No problems.
[02:50:00] PaulWay[w]: And if you hear anything about IPTV or Multicast UDP in Myth, let me know :-)
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[03:05:00] k-man: hey,
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[03:06:00] k-man: has anyone noticed that if your mythv partition fills up, then the backend starts logging errors at a furious rate which then fills up your root partition?
[03:06:00] k-man: its kind of annoying
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[03:08:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Nope, I've got /var on a seperate partition for just such occasions. ;)
[03:09:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Still can make mysql unhappy, tho.
[03:09:00] k-man: NightMonkey, yeah, i whish i had done it that way
[03:09:00] k-man: oh well
[03:09:00] k-man: next time maybe
[03:09:00] NightMonkey: k-man: I set a 5 GB buffer for the recordings partition.
[03:10:00] NightMonkey: k-man: That helps since I have the Live TV stream stored there – gives me some leg room.
[03:11:00] NightMonkey: k-man: But no argument from me that it is annoying ;).
[03:11:00] k-man: yeah
[03:11:00] k-man: its also very tempting just to record everything
[03:11:00] NightMonkey: k-man: You mean never auto-expire?
[03:11:00] k-man: and then all of a sudden it fills up
[03:12:00] k-man: NightMonkey, yeah, i should... havn't fiddled with that yet
[03:12:00] k-man: i set things like news to only save one show
[03:12:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Yes, you must remember that it is just TV... It is hard, sometimes.
[03:12:00] k-man: yeah
[03:12:00] k-man: i know
[03:12:00] NightMonkey: k-man: But, I save more than I should, too.
[03:12:00] k-man: there is all these cool shows i want to save to dvd and give to friends
[03:13:00] k-man: but its a bit challenging to do that
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[03:13:00] Dark`-`: hello :)
[03:13:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Do you use a PVR-x50?
[03:13:00] whosit: Question, I have been using mythtv for some time now with my standard cabel. I will be getting a HDTV satellite, when they get it going around here. My question is, when I get the proper Video Input card and get it hooked up with a cable between my Sat box and PC what about the program guide? Does the pay service have Directv or Dish program guides on it?
[03:13:00] k-man: NightMonkey, no, i have 2 dvb-t cards
[03:13:00] Blam-phone: evening all.....
[03:14:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Does that make a Mpeg-2 stream with AC-3 audio?
[03:14:00] NightMonkey: whosit: "The pay service"?
[03:14:00] k-man: NightMonkey, um.... not sure to be honest... its whatever dvb-t is transmitted in
[03:15:00] NightMonkey: k-man: I have a DVD creation Howto, but it is focues towards PVR-x50 users (and their generated streams).
[03:15:00] k-man: oh
[03:15:00] k-man: ok
[03:15:00] NightMonkey: focuses=focused
[03:15:00] k-man: whats the url?
[03:16:00] Dark`-`: anyone know how to get the vga output on my video card to be compatible wiht a regular ntsc tv? :)
[03:16:00] Dark`-`: i have a vga to rca cable
[03:16:00] Dark`-`: no svideo on my tv so im forced to do this
[03:16:00] NightMonkey: k-man: http://www.ilikelinux.com/ (yeah, it has a self-signed SSL cert, sorry)
[03:16:00] whosit: Well, im meaning how does myth get the program guide for the box?
[03:17:00] NightMonkey: whosit: Via Datadirect in North America.
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[03:17:00] NightMonkey: whosit: labs.zap2it.com
[03:17:00] whosit: they dont list anything but my cabel company
[03:17:00] NightMonkey: whosit: That's odd.
[03:18:00] whosit: Lemme double check it here.
[03:18:00] k-man: NightMonkey, ill have alook at it later... but i wish there was a more kind of automatic way
[03:18:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Not yet, in Linux-land.
[03:19:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Perhaps k3b will develop towards that direction some day...
[03:19:00] k-man: NightMonkey, yeah...
[03:19:00] k-man: k3b?
[03:19:00] whosit: yea, only list my cabel co.
[03:19:00] NightMonkey: k-man: http://www.k3b.org/
[03:19:00] Dark`-`: um, for standard vga tv's what would the vertical sync range be? :\
[03:20:00] k-man: yeah, found it
[03:20:00] k-man: thanks
[03:20:00] NightMonkey: k-man: And I don't even run KDE.
[03:20:00] k-man: anyway
[03:20:00] k-man: i have to do some work
[03:20:00] k-man: ttyl
[03:20:00] Dark`-`: i selected standard vga for the first part, 640x480 60hz
[03:20:00] NightMonkey: k-man: But, it's pretty sweet, for what it does.
[03:20:00] NightMonkey: k-man: Later.
[03:21:00] Dark`-`: anyone? :(
[03:21:00] k-man: bye
[03:21:00] NightMonkey: whosit: Sorry, dunno what to tell you. You might try posting to the labs.zap2it.com forums and ask about your zip code and Dish listings.
[03:22:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Does X not autodetect the proper modes for you?
[03:22:00] Dark`-`: well i have it connected to a tv
[03:22:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Through a VGA port?
[03:22:00] Dark`-`: so im not sure what the setting is for that
[03:22:00] Dark`-`: yep
[03:22:00] Dark`-`: vga to rca
[03:22:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Oh, converter.
[03:22:00] whosit: yea, going have to deal with that then. Well that wont be until after the first quarter of next year..
[03:23:00] Dark`-`: yea its just a cable, doesnt seem like anything active in it
[03:23:00] Dark`-`: one end is the normal vga, other is an rca input so i have a normal rca cable going from the tv to that
[03:23:00] NightMonkey: whosit: You might post now, to give them a chance to fix your issue if they can. They are very responsive.
[03:23:00] whosit: What cards are recomended for the HDTV hookup.
[03:23:00] Dark`-`: im just not sure which vertical sync range to pick, i know the first half was standard vga
[03:25:00] whosit: Ok, IC what is wrong. I have to setup my account to select sat.
[03:26:00] whosit: Now to find the HDTV card :), and a big hard drive for the Mpeg4 video!
[03:27:00] PaulWay[w]: whosit: remember to use LVM on your /video drive.
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[03:27:00] whosit: yeap, done did, I just wish I had a new computer. This old 1.7ghz machine has done me good but im putting a heck of a load on it now.
[03:30:00] Dark`-`: i guess i can just guess one of them lol
[03:31:00] whosit: Well, gotta gets some $$ up and donate it to Mythtv.org. Mythtv frontend on my laptop is Choice.
[03:38:00] whosit: Good Night all.
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[03:52:00] fooker: I know this isn't the right channel, but has anyone had any experience with vcr (the application)
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[03:56:00] FunkyELF: hey guys, I'm trying to delete a catpure card and video source...how do I do that?
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: umm I cant remember the button
[03:57:00] mchou: "d"
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: I had to press a buncha buttons on the keyboard to find it
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: but it does exist
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: LOL!!
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, serious thats what I did
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[03:57:00] mchou: so? it should work
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[03:57:00] mchou: I'm not joking
[03:58:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[03:58:00] FunkyELF: anyone here have HDTV working over firewire?
[03:58:00] mchou: lol
[03:59:00] mchou: FunkyELF: you mean with myth?
[03:59:00] FunkyELF: mchou, well...that'd be nice too
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[04:10:00] Dark`-`: i must be an idiot because export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 doesnt work :\
[04:11:00] Dark`-`: i get failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module although i followed the gentoo instructions, ive done it in the past without problems though
[04:13:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Is the nvidia module loaded?
[04:13:00] Dark`-`: yep
[04:13:00] Dark`-`: xenon ~ # lsmod | grep nvidia
[04:13:00] Dark`-`: nvidia 3464924 0
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[04:14:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Did you do an "opengl-update"?
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: yep
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: i did emerge nvidia-kernel, then opengl-update
[04:15:00] Dark`-`: xenon ~ # nvidia-settings
[04:15:00] Dark`-`: (nvidia-settings:19543): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[04:15:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Does X load?
[04:15:00] Dark`-`: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[04:15:00] Dark`-`: (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting ***
[04:16:00] Dark`-`: Fatal server error:
[04:16:00] Dark`-`: no screens found
[04:16:00] Dark`-`: none have a usable configuration, i guess it doesnt like "TV" being the ConnectedMonitor ?
[04:17:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: And you have 'Load "GLCore"' and 'Load "dri"' commented in xorg.conf? And 'Load "glx"' uncommented?
[04:18:00] Dark`-`: i dont see Load GLCore anywhere, load dri is commented and load glx is uncommented
[04:18:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: And you emerged nvidia-glx?
[04:18:00] Dark`-`: i did a while ago but i can re-emerge it if it will help
[04:19:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Give it a shot. Can't hurt, and it isn't large.
[04:19:00] Dark`-`: doing it now
[04:19:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Then, unload and reload the nvidia module.
[04:19:00] Dark`-`: ok, did that, still getting that err :\
[04:20:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Anything in dmesg?
[04:20:00] Dark`-`: PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 0000:01:00.0
[04:20:00] Dark`-`: NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0–6629 Wed Nov 3 13:12:51 PST 2004
[04:20:00] Dark`-`: just that when i load the kernel
[04:21:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Are you using agpgart or the nvidia gart?
[04:21:00] Dark`-`: not sure
[04:21:00] Dark`-`: where do i check for that?
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[04:21:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: lsmod | grep -i gart
[04:21:00] Dark`-`: nada
[04:22:00] Dark`-`: could be a problem hehe
[04:22:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: You'll either need to use that, or the nvidia version. I use agpgart with no problems, tho, same throughput for me.
[04:22:00] Dark`-`: ok
[04:22:00] Dark`-`: dont have it :\
[04:22:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: It's all in the nvidia README.gz
[04:23:00] Dark`-`: ok
[04:23:00] Blam-phone: have you made sure, in you bios, you are assigning an irq to the vga card? Lspci -v will show you that as well.. Irq 255 is no assignment
[04:23:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Ah, you need to either compile the module, or go with the README's nvidia-only instructions.
[04:23:00] NightMonkey: brb
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[04:23:00] Dark`-`: ok
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[04:28:00] Dark`-`: strange
[04:28:00] Dark`-`: i have /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) compiled into my kernel
[04:28:00] Dark`-`: so it should be available
[04:30:00] Blam-phone: Well guys.. Off to bed. Good luck with the carD
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[04:33:00] Dark`-`: oh well, i guess we can continue tomorrow if you still feel like helping :)
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[05:23:00] djperegrine: I can't connect to myself
[05:23:00] djperegrine: ping localhost does nothing
[05:24:00] dev-: sounds like a personal problem!
[05:24:00] djperegrine: :(
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[05:30:00] NightMonkey: Dark`-`: Back from dinner. I had to compile agpgart as a module to get it to work well, but that's just me.
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[05:33:00] FunkyELF: anyone here have firewire video working?
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[05:36:00] Russ: my cable operator switched some of my channels around, how do I get myththv to pick this up?
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[05:42:00] FunkyELF: Anyone know what happens when you delete a video source? I had digital cable as a video source, now I deleted it, but it still shows tons of channels that I couldn't get working.
[05:42:00] FunkyELF: Will they eventually go away once it doesn't have any more information about the channels?
[05:43:00] NightMonkey: Russ: When zap2it gets the updated data, you'll get the updates, I believe. You could force the issue by deleting the program table, and running mythfilldatabase. Check zap2it to see if they've picked up your cable co's changes, tho.
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[05:45:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, will that solve my problem too?
[05:45:00] Russ: ya, zap2it has it
[05:46:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: You might need to delete and refresh the channel table, too.
[05:46:00] NightMonkey: Both of you should backup your DB before doing anything, of course.
[05:46:00] NightMonkey: :)
[05:47:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, but if I just wait....it'll sort itself out?
[05:47:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: I *think* so, but I've never been patient enough to wait...
[05:48:00] Russ: I did mythfilldatabase, but no help
[05:48:00] Russ: --do_channel_updates
[05:48:00] bagadouch: mythtv owns :)
[05:49:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, what tells mythfilldatabase which videosources to grab?
[05:49:00] NightMonkey: Russ: Then you'll probably need to purge and refresh your channel and program tables.table.
[05:49:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: That I don't know. I only have one source.
[05:50:00] NightMonkey: There must be folks here who have more than one, I should think.
[05:50:00] bagadouch: not i
[05:50:00] bagadouch: i use 2 tuners, 1 source
[05:51:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: If you back up your DB, and don't have anything recording, you can just try it.
[05:51:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Do you have two different *providers* (e.g. cable + sat)?
[05:52:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, nope
[05:52:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: You should also bring down mythbackend while you do all this.
[05:52:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, I just selected standard cable for one and digital cable for the other
[05:53:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Oh, that's a setup I'm not familliar with.
[05:53:00] bagadouch: can you restate you problem? i got here late
[05:53:00] FunkyELF: I am thinking that when I deleted the "card" and "video source" it may have left behind some orphins in the database
[05:53:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Again, however, you can try it out, as long as you are comfortable backing up and restoring mythconverg in mysql.
[05:55:00] FunkyELF: in the "Channel Editor" of mythsetup I see (unassigned) as one of them now
[05:57:00] FunkyELF: mysqldump -uroot -pnew-password mythconverg > 2005.10.31.sql
[05:57:00] FunkyELF: is that all I need to do?
[05:58:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.5. Yep.
[05:59:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: I usually add "--add-drop-table", too, but that's not in the Official MythTV docs.
[05:59:00] Russ: dude, all you need is --do_channel_updates
[06:00:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Russ is probably right. Did you try that?
[06:01:00] Russ: ya
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[06:01:00] FunkyELF: Russ, sorry...didn't know you were talking to me
[06:01:00] FunkyELF: that is an option on mythfilldatabase?
[06:02:00] Russ: ya
[06:02:00] Russ: mythfilldatabase --help
[06:02:00] FunkyELF: I'm running it now
[06:06:00] FunkyELF: Russ, I ran it but when I go in to schedule recording, then the program guide, I see channels all the way up to 1300 or so...it is still showing all of the digital cable channels
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[06:13:00] FunkyELF: NightMonkey, how do I restore from my backup?
[06:13:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.5
[06:14:00] FunkyELF: I should grep for the inserts on the program table?
[06:14:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Eh?
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[06:15:00] FunkyELF: I am going to delete everything from the program table
[06:15:00] Boonie: need some help
[06:15:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: The backup restores the full database.
[06:15:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Yes, you could edit the backup to only update the specific tables you wish.
[06:16:00] FunkyELF: the link you showed me had me grepping for "Insert into" statements
[06:16:00] Boonie: I got myth up and running but the picture is horrible, wrong colors, and the audio is out of sync with the vid
[06:16:00] Boonie: I'm running suse 9.3 pro
[06:16:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Whoah – It should be "22.5 Saving or restoring the database". It's not?
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[06:17:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: Were you looking at 22.7?
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[06:17:00] FunkyELF: yeah
[06:17:00] NightMonkey: FunkyELF: 22.5 is the section I was referring to for backups/restores.
[06:18:00] taer: got this on my mythbackend box, ivtv 0.4.0. Is this probably a bad thing? "mythbackend ivtv0 warning: ENC Stream 0 OVERFLOW #628: Stealing a Buffer, 512 currently allocated"
[06:18:00] taer: a PVR 500 and a PVRR 150 in it.
[06:20:00] Boonie: forgot to say that the picture and sound are fine when I use kdetv
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[06:23:00] Netslayer: is there any new myth version coming soon? anyone know what's being worked on?
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[06:23:00] Boonie: no takers?
[06:28:00] FunkyELF: is anything in the program table a foreign key on another table?
[06:28:00] Netslayer: are there even foreign keys in the myth tables?
[06:29:00] FunkyELF: so I can just delete everything in that able and never have a problem?
[06:29:00] Netslayer: i do once in a while
[06:30:00] Netslayer: i seriously don't think there are any foreign keys in the db... and i'm guessing your asking cause mysql doesn't support them anyway and won't warn u heh
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[06:30:00] Netslayer: a real db will error out on a foreign key relation when you try to delete a row
[06:30:00] Netslayer: FunkyELF, go for it.. should be fine
[06:31:00] FunkyELF: hrm...I did and reran mythfilldatabase
[06:31:00] FunkyELF: but that didn't fix my problem.
[06:31:00] Netslayer: what's your issue?
[06:32:00] Netslayer: i think you can get myth to empty that table out by using mythsetup and at the first or second prompt
[06:32:00] FunkyELF: in the program guide, it is still showing channels that were from a video source that I deleted
[06:32:00] Krazylegz: Sweet! I fixed the sound on my MythBox!
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[06:32:00] Netslayer: FunkyELF, auh ok
[06:33:00] Netslayer: hrm .. that's kinda scary
[06:33:00] Netslayer: if you look in the channel table you can see 'sourceid', and i assume you deleted your old source
[06:33:00] Netslayer: and those rows are still there
[06:34:00] Netslayer: that matches videosource table
[06:34:00] Boonie: Krazylegz: what was wrong with your sound?
[06:35:00] Boonie: having another issue also
[06:35:00] FunkyELF: when I run mythsetup and I go into Channel setup, I see in the video source pulldown menu "(unassigned)"
[06:35:00] Boonie: when I quit mythtv the program quits but the sound doesn't
[06:35:00] Boonie: it won't stop till I start another prog that uses sound
[06:35:00] Netslayer: FunkyELF, that doesn't sound good
[06:36:00] Boonie: any ideas?
[06:36:00] Netslayer: FunkyELF, you could always backup your 2 tables, and then remove that source row from your videosource table, and the corresponding rows in the channels table
[06:37:00] FunkyELF: what 2 tables are you talking about?
[06:38:00] Netslayer: videosource, channel]
[06:39:00] Krazylegz: Boonie: It wasn't working with my PVR-350. I broke it myself.....so fixing it wasn't such a great achievement.
[06:39:00] Boonie: lol
[06:40:00] Boonie: at least it's working
[06:40:00] Krazylegz: Yep.
[06:40:00] Krazylegz: I missed a few recordings, but nothing major.
[06:40:00] Boonie: my picture is purple and my sound is ahead of my vid
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[06:40:00] Krazylegz: Card?
[06:41:00] Boonie: but atleast I'm getting a pic now :)
[06:41:00] Boonie: ati tv wonder pro
[06:42:00] Krazylegz: Ah.
[06:44:00] Boonie: ah good or ah bad
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[07:17:00] trans_err: I'm still having a few problems with mythtv-- It won't change channels or save my recording settings-- any ideas?
[07:17:00] trans_err: The menu and everything else works great
[07:17:00] Dagmar: What tuner card do you have?
[07:18:00] trans_err: I'm using ubuntu with a cx88 based card
[07:18:00] Dagmar: What tuner card do you have?
[07:18:00] trans_err: The wintv-401m
[07:18:00] trans_err: Hauppauge
[07:18:00] trans_err: The card works fine with xawtv and tvtime
[07:19:00] Dagmar: Never heard of the 401m, actually.
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[07:19:00] Dagmar: CHanging channels is handled by the backend
[07:19:00] trans_err: not 401m (sorry) its 401wintv-dbx
[07:19:00] trans_err: sorry
[07:20:00] trans_err: Dagmar: thats what I figured, but It won't budge
[07:20:00] Dagmar: Hm... if it's working with TVTime then it's obviously capable of v4l compatibility
[07:20:00] Dagmar: ...so at least we can cross hardware out of the equation
[07:20:00] trans_err: Dagmar: yeah it works great otherwise
[07:20:00] Dagmar: Which build of MythTV are you uring?
[07:20:00] Dagmar: s/uring/using/;
[07:21:00] trans_err: .18
[07:21:00] Dagmar: Not 0.18.1?
[07:21:00] trans_err: .18.1–5
[07:21:00] Dagmar: Ah...
[07:22:00] Dagmar: Have you pestered the ubuntu people about it?
[07:22:00] trans_err: Dagmar: doesn't seem to be an ubuntu problem :D
[07:22:00] Dagmar: This stuff actually worked for me with minimal poking from the source tarballs.
[07:22:00] Dagmar: Okay, well did you create the mysql databases like you were supposed to?
[07:22:00] trans_err: Dagmar: yeah, like I said the menu and all works great
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[07:24:00] trans_err: Thats why I'm asking-- I can't figure out why it wouldn't change channels/save my recording settings
[07:24:00] Dagmar: ...because channel changing is a backend thing (which will need read and write access to /dev/v4l/*, but the saving of settings thing is a mysql deal, which afaik gets done *through* the backend
[07:24:00] Dagmar: So like, kill the backend and run it again from a vt without -d so you can see what it's saying.
[07:25:00] Dagmar: In fact, I'd use `mythbackend 2>&1 | tee mythstuff.log`
[07:25:00] Dagmar: Then you can read the logfile later if something scrolls off
[07:25:00] Dagmar: Start the frontend and try to change some settings, then come back and look at the log.
[07:25:00] Dagmar: It's probably going to tell you exactly what it's not liking
[07:25:00] Dagmar: Gotta go. Hair is being bleached.
[07:25:00] Dagmar: Good luck
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[07:29:00] jave: hello
[07:32:00] Boonie: anyone here using an ati tv card?
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[07:33:00] Boonie: how about an ati remote?
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[07:44:00] Gumby: does anyone here know why when I use the GUI, my playback works but when I use xine on the command line with the same parameters the exact same file wont play?
[07:44:00] Gumby: Boonie: yes and yes
[07:46:00] Boonie: Gumby: my color is horrid, did you have the same problem when you first set up myth?
[07:46:00] fryfrog: Gumby: something can't be exactly the same :)
[07:46:00] Rince: Gumby: what kind of error message do you get? do you use ssh or telnet to use the CLI? maybe it can not display the content...
[07:46:00] Gumby: Boonie: you quite possibly need to change your tuner settings
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[07:46:00] fryfrog: what is the ... yeah, error message?
[07:47:00] Gumby: the onscreen error says it cant find a codec to play the file
[07:47:00] Boonie: in mythtv-setup?
[07:47:00] fryfrog: could it be some library paths or something?
[07:47:00] Gumby: Boonie: no, you possibly need to set your kernel module paramenters for the card
[07:48:00] Gumby: and that could be in an number of files depending on your distro
[07:48:00] fryfrog: could someone report the ip of linuxtv.org? i can't do an nslookup on it for some reason :/
[07:48:00] Boonie: ok, I need to mention that I am a linux newb
[07:48:00] Gumby: fryfrog: I dont think so, other nuv's play just fine
[07:48:00] fryfrog: and cvs.linuxtv.org too if its a different ip
[07:48:00] Boonie: Gumby: but when I use kdetv the pic is great
[07:49:00] Gumby: Boonie: because kdetv probably resets the modules parameters
[07:50:00] Boonie: ok, how would I go about doing that?
[07:50:00] Boonie: I'm using suse 9.3 pro
[07:50:00] Gumby: fryfrog: my default players settings are xine -pfhq --nosplash %s, playing the file from the command line I use DISPLAY=:0 xine -pfhq --no-splash /myth/tv/1030_20051031180000_20051031200500.nuv
[07:51:00] Gumby: Boonie: not sure, I've never used Suse, but I'd probably try looking at /etc/modules.d/ or in /etc/modprobe.conf
[07:52:00] Gumby: Boonie: is it an ATI TV Wonder?
[07:52:00] Boonie: Gumby: yes, tv wonder pro remote, got the card and the remote
[07:52:00] Gumby: I have an ATI TV Wonder VE and I have added a line in /etc/modprobe.conf that shows "options bttv tuner=2" (without the quotes)
[07:53:00] Gumby: your card is differen so the tuner= will probably be different
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[07:54:00] Boonie: Gumby: what does that lone you added do?
[07:54:00] mage: heh usually its the other way around
[07:54:00] Boonie: er....line even
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[07:55:00] Gumby: Boonie: I'd do this... rmmod bttv (as root). then as root do tail -f /var/log/messages, then hit enter a few times, startup kdetv, if kdetv still shows a picture and can find the card then check the window that you did tail -f /var/log/messages in and it should show you which module settings kdetv used to load the module with.
[07:55:00] fryfrog: dmesg
[07:55:00] Gumby: Boonie: it loads the proper tuner type for the bttv module, which is the one your card uses
[07:55:00] fryfrog: is a better place to watch for kernel module loading
[07:55:00] Gumby: fryfrog: tail -f is much more clear
[07:55:00] fryfrog: dmesg -c will display and clear it
[07:55:00] fryfrog: then dmesg again will show only the new stuf
[07:55:00] Gumby: you can see it as its happening
[07:55:00] Gumby: pretty simple
[07:55:00] Gumby: or /var/log/syslog
[07:56:00] Gumby: since its suse, I think suse uses syslog also
[07:56:00] Gumby: that said, kdetv probably doesnt have permission to load a module
[07:56:00] fryfrog: i spose, my only prob with it would be that its likely to contain unrelated output as well
[07:56:00] fryfrog: either way, it should get you what you want eh? :)
[07:57:00] Gumby: looks like tuner=45 might be the one you need Boonie
[07:57:00] Boonie: Gumby: "Module bttv does not exist in /proc/modules" is what I get when I run the rmmod bttv command
[07:58:00] Gumby: http://xawdecode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVCardall.htm
[07:58:00] Gumby: Boonie: as root to lsmod |grep bttv
[07:58:00] Gumby: (allthough it will probably show nothing)
[07:58:00] Boonie: nothing
[07:58:00] Gumby: and if that is the case, how the hell are you watching tv
[07:59:00] Gumby: Boonie: paste the output of lspci -v to rafb.net/paste then paste the resulting URL back here
[08:00:00] fryfrog: Boonie: do you have the bttv module compiled as a M or X (compiled into kernel)?
[08:00:00] fryfrog: "dmesg | grep bttv" might give you a clue
[08:00:00] Gumby: yes, that should also
[08:01:00] Boonie: honestly, I have no idea
[08:01:00] Dagmar: It's VERY helpful to build these kinds of drivers as modules
[08:01:00] Gumby: Boonie: forget thinking for a second and just do as we ask :) you'll be better off
[08:02:00] Dagmar: Provided you're not running a distro that is two years old, you WILL have hotplugd and kmod, so every PCI card that needs a module *will* get it loaded at boot time whether you tell it to or not
[08:02:00] Gumby: Dagmar: how would this help exactly?
[08:02:00] Gumby: Dagmar: its a matter of the card being loaded properly
[08:02:00] Boonie: pasted
[08:02:00] Dagmar: Gumby: Because you can *unload* the driver
[08:02:00] Gumby: with the correct parameter
[08:02:00] Gumby: ah, sorry, read your comments backwards
[08:02:00] Gumby: Dagmar: and the URL ?
[08:02:00] Dagmar: With monolithic builds, you gotta reboot to change params
[08:02:00] Gumby: err
[08:02:00] Gumby: Boonie: and the URL
[08:03:00] Boonie: Gumby: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cCsjkS31.html
[08:03:00] Dagmar: Ah evil nick-completion strikes again
[08:03:00] Gumby: 000:00:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 03)
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[08:04:00] Dagmar: Another thing that helps sometimes is just going out and buying a PVR card.
[08:04:00] Dagmar: ;)
[08:04:00] Gumby: Boonie: as root, nano -w /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:04:00] Dagmar: ...or going online and buying one anyway. CompUSA and it's ilk charge just way too much
[08:04:00] Gumby: into that put options bttv tuner=44
[08:05:00] Gumby: ctrl+x to exit, it will ask you if you want to save. press y
[08:05:00] Dagmar: Real men use vi.  ;)
[08:05:00] Gumby: newbs use nano :)
[08:05:00] Gumby: one step at a time
[08:05:00] opello: what's wrong with vim? :)
[08:05:00] Dagmar: I though n00bs used pico
[08:05:00] Gumby: nano is basically pcio
[08:05:00] Gumby: pico
[08:05:00] Boonie: nano -w /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:05:00] Boonie: bash: nano: command not found
[08:05:00] Gumby: to get pico you have to install pine
[08:06:00] Gumby: nano is a seperate package
[08:06:00] Gumby: in most distros these days anyhow
[08:06:00] Gumby: Boonie: ok, time to learn some vi basics
[08:06:00] fryfrog: real men use binary output!
[08:06:00] Gumby: vi /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:06:00] opello: fryfrog: and ed!
[08:06:00] Gumby: actually,
[08:06:00] Gumby: wait a sec
[08:06:00] Dagmar: Boonie: Try joe, then jove if you don't have nano, or be patient and learn a teeny bit of vifrom Gumby (recommended)
[08:06:00] fryfrog: vi is for suckers... wtf :???
[08:06:00] fryfrog: :)
[08:06:00] Gumby: Boonie: grep bttv /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:07:00] opello: vi is for suckers, when vim exists :)
[08:07:00] Gumby: does that have any output?
[08:07:00] Boonie: k, joe works
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[08:07:00] Gumby: ok, well.. if you have the file open, add options bttv tuner=44 to it
[08:07:00] Dagmar: OOoh! `echo "options bttv tuner=44 >> /etc/modules.conf`
[08:07:00] Gumby: Dagmar: hehe, thats where I cwas going
[08:07:00] Dagmar: er put the close quote in there of course
[08:08:00] Boonie: no file is open yet, I just typed joe and an editor popped up
[08:08:00] fryfrog: you forgot the closing " :)
[08:08:00] Dagmar: Boonie: Forget joe for now
[08:08:00] Gumby: I was just making sure there wasnt already an entry for bttv in there :) Hence the "grep" command
[08:08:00] Dagmar: All you need to do is add one line
[08:08:00] Boonie: k, how do I exit out of it
[08:08:00] Dagmar: echo "options bttv tuner=44" >> /etc/modules.conf
[08:08:00] fryfrog: ctrl-alt-del? :)
[08:08:00] Boonie: lol
[08:08:00] Dagmar: ctrl-c or maybe ctrl-x or something
[08:08:00] Dagmar: I don't use joe
[08:08:00] Gumby: Boonie: before doing anything (after exiting joe) do grep -r bttv /etc/mod*
[08:08:00] Boonie: not that newb :-P
[08:08:00] Dagmar: I use vim
[08:09:00] mage: I use joe as jpico
[08:09:00] Dagmar: ...or gedit
[08:09:00] Boonie: ctrl-c did it
[08:10:00] Dagmar: You don't need -r for that use of grgep
[08:10:00] Dagmar: er grep
[08:10:00] Gumby: I personally just use nano. its simple and easy
[08:10:00] mage: would mythtv be able to throw Onscreen stuff onto the TV output of a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350?
[08:10:00] Gumby: Dagmar: it depends
[08:10:00] Boonie: /etc/modprobe.conf:# options bttv pll=1 radio=0 card=0
[08:10:00] Boonie: /etc/modprobe.conf:# install bttv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install bttv && { /sbin/modprobe -k tuner; /sbin/modprobe -k msp3400; }
[08:10:00] Gumby: Dagmar: some distros use /etc/modprone.d/*
[08:10:00] Gumby: /etc/modprobe.d
[08:10:00] Dagmar: Wow that install like is madness
[08:10:00] Gumby: Boonie: that is your problem then
[08:10:00] Dagmar: mage: It's supposed to work fine
[08:11:00] Gumby: Boonie: ok, you are going to have to edit /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:11:00] Dagmar: They're doing stuff oldstyle
[08:11:00] Boonie: k
[08:11:00] Dagmar: We've got commands for preloading modules now
[08:11:00] Boonie: lead on
[08:11:00] mage: Dagmar: ok, cool
[08:11:00] Gumby: Dagmar: well, i dont know much about joe... but I can help with vi
[08:11:00] Gumby: vi /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:11:00] Gumby: as root
[08:11:00] Dagmar: grep -v "options bttv" /etc/modules.conf > /etc/modules.conf
[08:11:00] Dagmar: ;)
[08:12:00] Dagmar: I use vi because >90% of my work is done over sometimes laggy ssh sessions
[08:12:00] Boonie: Gumby: file open
[08:12:00] Dagmar: ...and you can't beat vim's regexp support
[08:13:00] Gumby: Boonie: ok now find where it says options bttv .....
[08:13:00] mage: hmm if I tell mythtv to record something, and I try to watch a different channel whats mythtv do?
[08:13:00] Gumby: mage: a dialogue will pop up when its time to record
[08:14:00] Gumby: I believe if you arent there to view the dialogue it will change the channel after 30 seconds or so to what you wanted to record
[08:14:00] Dagmar: ...another reason for getting the PVR-500
[08:14:00] Dagmar: it is teh leetness
[08:14:00] Gumby: I dont run into that problem.. I have 3 tuners. lol
[08:14:00] Boonie: Gumby: found it
[08:15:00] Boonie: # options bttv pll=1 radio=0 card=0
[08:15:00] Gumby: Boonie: ah, its commented... I didnt notice that...
[08:15:00] Dagmar: Gumby: I was thinking about getting two 250's, but I got the 500 for $138 so there wasn't much point
[08:16:00] Gumby: press esc, then : then q then enter
[08:16:00] Gumby: Dagmar: nice
[08:16:00] Dagmar: I have spent way too much with Directron lately
[08:16:00] Gumby: Boonie: that should get you out of vi
[08:16:00] Boonie: k
[08:16:00] Dagmar: Thursday the UPS man better not dilly-dally
[08:16:00] Gumby: sheesh, I come here to figure out a problem and I end up helping
[08:16:00] Gumby: lol
[08:16:00] fryfrog: how do you like the PVR 500 using ivtv?
[08:17:00] Dagmar: it is teh leetness
[08:17:00] Gumby: Boonie: so you are back at a command prompt now?
[08:17:00] Boonie: yes
[08:17:00] fryfrog: i've got 3x pvr 250, back before the 500 was around
[08:17:00] Dagmar: I have the backend running *all the time* on my desktop
[08:17:00] fryfrog: i wish i could get my hd5000 working :(
[08:17:00] Dagmar: You can't really tell it's doing anything even when it's recording two things at once
[08:17:00] Gumby: echo "bttv options tuner=44" >> /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:17:00] Dagmar: hardware compression is a godsend for this
[08:18:00] Dagmar: time to rinse--back in a few
[08:18:00] mage: ugh i dont see a comparison to tell me about the different models
[08:18:00] Boonie: Gumby: nothing
[08:19:00] Gumby: Boonie: it wasnt supposed to print anything :)
[08:19:00] fryfrog: mage: what?
[08:19:00] Boonie: good then
[08:19:00] Boonie: :)
[08:19:00] Gumby: Boonie: now to rmmod bttv && dmesg -c && modprobe bttv && dmesg
[08:19:00] Gumby: then paste the output to rafb.net/paste
[08:19:00] mage: fryfrog: for the hauppauge wintv cards
[08:19:00] Gumby: and paste the resulting URL back here
[08:20:00] fryfrog: mage: where are you looking? i don't see your question, so if you'd repeat it ? :)
[08:20:00] Boonie: ERROR: Module bttv does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:21:00] Gumby: Boonie: ok, sorry... dmesg -c && modprobe bttv && dmesg
[08:21:00] fryfrog: "modinfo bttv" will let you know if the module exists :0
[08:21:00] fryfrog: well, of course modprobe will too
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[08:21:00] Gumby: the module must exist if kdetv works
[08:21:00] mage: fryfrog: oh I'm wondering what the differences are between the different cards, from a mythtv perspective
[08:21:00] fryfrog: not neccessariyl
[08:22:00] Gumby: well, asuming its not in the kernel
[08:22:00] Gumby: which most of the time is the case
[08:22:00] Gumby: I havnt seen a distro yet that compiles bttv into the kernel.
[08:22:00] fryfrog: in the kernel is the only other options, afaik :)
[08:22:00] Gumby: then again, I havnt tried all kernels
[08:22:00] Gumby: hehe
[08:22:00] Gumby: maybe a MM kernel might
[08:22:00] fryfrog: mage: hardware mpeg2 cards or just *all* the cards?
[08:25:00] Boonie: Gumby: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sww9YO86.html
[08:25:00] Boonie: I wasn't able to get it all, my history wass only set to grab the last 1k lines
[08:25:00] Boonie: I ran it again after I rest it to unlimited but it didn't return the same output
[08:26:00] Boonie: er....reset
[08:26:00] Gumby: Boonie:
[08:26:00] Gumby: lol
[08:26:00] Gumby: did you do dmesg -c
[08:26:00] Gumby: ?
[08:27:00] Gumby: also, I messed up on the modprobe.conf entry
[08:27:00] Gumby: vi /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:27:00] Gumby: goto the last line that has the bttv entry in it
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[08:27:00] Boonie: dmesg -c && modprobe bttv && dmesg
[08:27:00] Boonie: I did that
[08:27:00] Gumby: press insert then edit the line, it should look like this....
[08:27:00] Gumby: options bttv tuner=44
[08:28:00] Gumby: this press esc, then : then w then q
[08:28:00] Gumby: then rmmod bttv
[08:28:00] Boonie: it's already at 44
[08:29:00] Gumby: yes, but it says bttv options tuner=44 not options bttv tuner=44
[08:29:00] mage: fryfrog: I dunno, I'm trying to figure out a good video capture card to get, I don't suppose any do mpeg-4 in hardware?
[08:29:00] Boonie: ah
[08:31:00] fryfrog: actually, there is an external plextor that does mpeg4/divx
[08:31:00] fryfrog: but its like $199
[08:31:00] fryfrog: the PVR150,250 and 500 are all mpeg2 and fine choices
[08:31:00] Boonie: Gumby: rmmon returned nothing
[08:31:00] fryfrog: i'd pick the cheapest of those 3 you can find :)
[08:31:00] Boonie: r...rmmod
[08:32:00] Gumby: Boonie: it wasnt supposed to :)
[08:32:00] Boonie: k :)
[08:32:00] Gumby: it'd only report an error if there was one
[08:32:00] Boonie: now what?
[08:33:00] Gumby: ok, so now do dmesg -c && modprobe bttv && dmesg and paste the output again to rafb.net/paste
[08:33:00] Boonie: k
[08:34:00] Boonie: Gumby: http://rafb.net/paste/results/usOux131.html
[08:35:00] Gumby: Boonie: hrm, thats not so helpfull
[08:35:00] mage: hmm so the 150 and 250 both do encoding?
[08:35:00] Boonie: lol
[08:35:00] mage: err hardware mpeg2, if they both do it, whats the difference?
[08:36:00] Boonie: did I not do it correctly?
[08:36:00] Gumby: yep, you did.
[08:36:00] Gumby: as long as that line exists in /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:36:00] Boonie: should I start up myth and see if it worked?
[08:37:00] Gumby: sure
[08:37:00] Boonie: nope, the hues are still way off
[08:38:00] fman: cool, this nvidia 5200 does the trick nicely
[08:38:00] Atamido: Day 14 is up. http://orangeman.commo.de/day-14.html
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[08:39:00] Gumby: Boonie: have you run mythtv-setup and set the proper tv listings?
[08:39:00] Boonie: I think so
[08:39:00] Boonie: it gives me all my channels
[08:40:00] Gumby: hrm
[08:41:00] Boonie: everything with myth is working fine except for the color of the pic
[08:41:00] Boonie: well, I haven't tried recording anything but the color thing is my only problem currently
[08:42:00] Gumby: I know for people that had similar problems if they started up tvtime before they ran mythtv that mythtv ran fine
[08:42:00] fryfrog: the PVR 150 is newer and generally cheaper and until recently, not quite as well supported by ivtv
[08:42:00] Boonie: Gumby: what's tvtime?
[08:42:00] fryfrog: the 250 is older, so very much supported by ivtv
[08:42:00] Gumby: Boonie: its another tv app.
[08:42:00] Boonie: ah
[08:42:00] fryfrog: the 500 is 2x 150 (2 tuners, 1 pci card)
[08:42:00] Gumby: Boonie: you could also try setting tuner= to 34 instead of 44
[08:42:00] Boonie: k
[08:42:00] Gumby: then rmmod bttv && modprobe bttv
[08:43:00] Boonie: I"ll try that
[08:43:00] fryfrog: you are perfectly safe picking 1 of any of those 3 and being happy, ivtv supports them all quite well now
[08:43:00] fryfrog: if you planned on going 2 tuner, the 500 is a smart one
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[08:44:00] Boonie: LOL
[08:45:00] Gumby: ?
[08:45:00] Boonie: I just realized that my pic looks like the movie Pitch Black
[08:45:00] Boonie: that didn't work either
[08:45:00] Gumby: Boonie: have you tried changing the channel?
[08:45:00] Boonie: heh
[08:45:00] Boonie: yes
[08:45:00] Gumby: my card sometimes screws up and does that
[08:45:00] Boonie: same on all
[08:45:00] Gumby: then I change channels and it works
[08:45:00] Gumby: hrm, then I am not sure
[08:45:00] Boonie: hmm
[08:46:00] Gumby: I am not even sure that its picking up the entry in /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:46:00] Gumby: you might want to as in #suse
[08:46:00] Gumby: (if such a channel exists)
[08:46:00] Boonie: Gumby: I appreciate all the help but I need to hit the sack
[08:46:00] Boonie: I'll try this again tomorrow
[08:46:00] Boonie: thanks again
[08:46:00] Boonie: night
[08:46:00] Gumby: I'd mention that you have options bttv tuner=44 in /etc/modprobe.conf but you arent sure the module is actually loading with those parameters
[08:47:00] Gumby: np, gnight
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[11:26:00] rsdvd: Hiya....anyone here know anything about minimyth? I have a setup working...but it is Blac & white
[11:29:00] simon_c: rsdvd: I know nothing about minimyth, but I guess it's your video cable or something between pal and ntsc
[11:30:00] jave: im having trouble with flags to mplayer from mythvideo. a flag like "-ao alsa:device=hw=1" doesnt seem to propagate from mythvideo. do i need some escaping?
[11:30:00] fryfrog: rsdvd: what is mini-myth?
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[11:32:00] rsdvd: thanks simon_c.......but the cable is brand new (allbeit cheap) and I have xorg setup to be PAL
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[11:32:00] rsdvd: fryfrog...minimyth is a distro for diskless frontends using the EPIA / VIA baords
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[11:36:00] fryfrog: ah, neat
[11:38:00] rsdvd: does anyone have an EPIA with working S-video tv-out (preferebaly in PAL)?
[11:40:00] ** johnp_ waves hand in air **
[11:40:00] johnp_: rsdvd, me
[11:41:00] otwin: rsdvd: check your PAL/NTSC settings in the bios
[11:41:00] rsdvd: johnp_......have you any idea why I should have black and white only?
[11:42:00] johnp_: probably what otwin suggets
[11:42:00] rsdvd: otwin....I did not know there was a setting in BIOS.............I will reboot and see – thanks1
[11:42:00] simon_c: rsdvd: I've had a world of trouble converting svideo to a TV input.
[11:42:00] simon_c: rsdvd: In my resarch, black and white is one of the symptoms of those problems.
[11:43:00] simon_c: rsdvd: How is it connected into the TV ?
[11:43:00] rsdvd: svideo -> scart lead
[11:43:00] rsdvd: silly question/........but can I get to BIOS with the TV...or will I need a monitor?
[11:43:00] simon_c: rsdvd: I think your TV needs to know it's expecting an SVIDEO signal, not a composite signal.
[11:43:00] simon_c: rsdvd: Deoends on your gfx card I think.
[11:44:00] ivor: rsdvd: the other cause of b&w out is when you're sending ntsc instead of pal over svideo.
[11:44:00] ivor: rsdvd: but yes, check your bios settings first.
[11:44:00] ** simon_c eded up getting a discounted vga to TV converter box. **
[11:44:00] otwin: rsdvd: i can see my bios on tv
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[11:47:00] rsdvd: otwin : I only get tvout when I get to Xwindows.....I ahev moved the box to my study to use the monitor
[11:47:00] ivor: rsdvd: ah that sounds like your BIOS is set to CRT only, but Xwindows is setup for TV.
[11:47:00] otwin: try activating TV+CRT in the bios
[11:48:00] otwin:
[11:48:00] ivor: (should still work ok though as long as you have TVOutput set correctly in Xorg)
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[11:49:00] ivor: rsdvd: oh and TVType.
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[11:51:00] rsdvd: minimyth sets the xorg stuff for you – I think I have that bit right
[11:53:00] rsdvd: I changed the BIOS to PAL Stndard = PAL (I am in the UK) and Video out to CRT+TV......but I still have Black and white and no picture untill X-windows kicks in
[11:55:00] rsdvd: Could it be the TV itself? it is rather old....it is likely to be picky about the inputs?
[11:55:00] otwin: rsdvd: wait – i'll check my settings
[11:55:00] rsdvd: thanks
[11:56:00] simon_c: rsdvd: On one site, I read that the TV needs to expect Svideo input on the scart, either automatically, or by the menus setup. My older TV has no settings for that. My newer one has an option for setting the AV2 scart input from svideo to composite.
[11:57:00] otwin: rsdvd: i have the same bios settings – i'm using composite out
[12:01:00] rsdvd: Mmm........could be the TV does not expect/support S-Video
[12:01:00] rsdvd: whic is better to use SVideo or Composite?
[12:01:00] ivor: rsdvd: hmm so with CRT+TV in the bios do you not even get the VIA pre boot logo?
[12:01:00] ivor: SVideo
[12:01:00] rsdvd: ivor : no.....the first thing I get is the Mythtv Main page
[12:04:00] ivor: does your TV have a separate Svideo in socket at all? or just the scart?
[12:05:00] rsdvd: no – just a scart
[12:06:00] ivor: any menu/settings options for the scart at all?
[12:06:00] rsdvd: no...the TV is about 15 years old
[12:06:00] ivor: oh dear.
[12:06:00] ivor: must be time for a new TV then. :)
[12:07:00] fryfrog: rsdvd: could you maybe test on another tv?
[12:07:00] rsdvd: I might go out and buy a composite -> scart cable and try that
[12:07:00] fryfrog: rsdvd: when i am making the "troubleshooting" i like to eliminate the "easy" stuff first
[12:07:00] otwin: rsdvd: that is what i am using
[12:07:00] rsdvd: I will dig out one of the portables and try that
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[12:07:00] fryfrog: blech, i'd get svideo working instead of going down to composite :)
[12:08:00] fryfrog: in fact, after using HDMI/DVI and component... i'd go out and buy an HDTV :)
[12:08:00] ivor: the other option for a nice picture is an RGB->Scart convertor.
[12:08:00] rsdvd: otwin – do you get a good enought picture on composite?
[12:08:00] fryfrog: oh, that'd be a good one
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[12:09:00] otwin: rsdvd: it's ok – but it's a small tv...
[12:09:00] rsdvd:
[12:09:00] fryfrog: ah yes, approval for spending can definatly be an issue :)
[12:09:00] rsdvd: :-)
[12:10:00] ivor: bah. men or mice.
[12:10:00] fryfrog: no no sir, its not "men or mice"
[12:10:00] fryfrog: its "laid or not laid" :)
[12:10:00] ivor: lol
[12:10:00] rsdvd: I am buying a *BIG* TV at christmas, and will need another frontend for that.......need to prove it will all work in the bedroom TV before I spend lots of money
[12:11:00] fryfrog: the only problem i have with mythtv is that i got an hdtv :(
[12:11:00] fryfrog: now watching sdtv on an hdtv sucks
[12:11:00] rsdvd: we don't have HDTV here yet
[12:11:00] fryfrog: and getting hdtv working is making baby jesus cry
[12:11:00] fryfrog: we barely do :)
[12:11:00] fryfrog: like 10 chans
[12:12:00] rsdvd: I am happy sticking with SDTV for a while yet...even when Sky start broadcasting HD
[12:13:00] fryfrog: hey, do you know why Sky is (was?) only "legal" in britan?
[12:13:00] fryfrog: england
[12:13:00] fryfrog: what ever you call that tiny island ;)
[12:13:00] rsdvd: no.....is it?
[12:13:00] ivor: My next challenge is getting a dbox going so I can get the first of the fta hdtv channels off satellite.
[12:13:00] fryfrog: i thought it was?
[12:13:00] rsdvd: Oi.....it is the United Kingdom
[12:14:00] ivor: is it? I thought it was "England".
[12:14:00] fryfrog: when i lived in CH, we had to cheat and fill in our address as my mom's friend in the good ol' crooked toothed UK :)
[12:14:00] fryfrog: but that was like 10 years ago
[12:14:00] ivor: fryfrog: its the same reason you can't subscribe to Tele+ or other european satellite broadcasts from the UK.
[12:15:00] ivor: just an arbitary restriction.
[12:15:00] ivor: anyone about using the Myth DBox code?
[12:15:00] fryfrog: another example of "the man" putting us down!
[12:16:00] rsdvd: I know the Astra satellite it set to only bradcast to the UK, and and
[12:16:00] simon_c: fryfrog: the Island is Great Britan. England is the south part, Scotland is the north part, and Wales is the little hump in the middle of the west part
[12:16:00] simon_c: fryfrog: United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland too. :-)
[12:17:00] fryfrog: blimey, a geography lesson!
[12:17:00] otwin: my guess is that i.e. sky only buys rights for the uk
[12:17:00] simon_c: I think it's only legal in the UK, cos sky only have redistribution rights to their content in the UK
[12:17:00] otwin: faster
[12:17:00] otwin: ;-)
[12:18:00] rsdvd: sky is partnered with several US networks.....they will only have breadcast rights in areas where they dont broadcast
[12:18:00] ivor: as I said, a purely arbitary restriction. :)
[12:18:00] rsdvd: also BBC channels are only free to UK viewers who pay for the TV licence
[12:18:00] simon_c: fryfrog: ;-)
[12:19:00] otwin: when i lived in brussels we had bbc1 and bbc2 on cable
[12:19:00] simon_c: It's a real pain on web forms trying to guess which version of your country name they are using.
[12:19:00] ivor: otwin: did you have to pass the cricket test on line before you could watch them? :)
[12:19:00] rsdvd: otwin : odd......does that mean we are paying for foreigners to watch our tv
[12:20:00] otwin: ivor: i'll never pass that test
[12:20:00] rsdvd: simon......the offical name for the country is the UK
[12:21:00] simon_c: rsdvd: Yes, but there are plenty of forms I've seen that say "Englend" "Britain" etc.
[12:21:00] simon_c: And it's potentially very upsetting for people in Northern Irlend to have to say "great britain" when they are really United Kingdon. Although, about 30% of them would like to say they are .ie not .uk
[12:21:00] otwin: rsdvd: i'm in luxembourg and we have the german, french and belgium public stations in our cable and i don't think those states get money from my cable provider
[12:22:00] ** simon_c will shutup now **
[12:22:00] rsdvd: I am not sure how those other countiries finance there channels.....we ahev to pay fo ours
[12:22:00] johnp_: ivor, where would you buy a dbox from (just curious) ?
[12:22:00] otwin: in germany they pay a tax, don't know for the others
[12:22:00] ivor: johnp_: I have one in the loft.
[12:23:00] johnp_: ivor, not far then.
[12:23:00] rsdvd: right.....I am off for now! going to move TVs around so I can try the prtables
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[12:26:00] Dark`-`: :(
[12:26:00] Dark`-`: ill figure this out at some point i think
[12:27:00] Dark`-`: if not, ill just have to get a cheap video card that has composite out
[12:27:00] johnp_: ivor, does dbox equate to dbox2 ?
[12:27:00] wizard42: hi volks ! I got confused with the channel setup for DVB . Could someone explain me how a channel is linked to a trasponder (Channel-Editor->advanced menu)?
[12:30:00] johnp_: wizard42, each channel is linked to a multiplex via the mplexid field. So each mutiplex under advanced can have multiple channels.
[12:30:00] juski: ugh.. not dbox talk again :(
[12:31:00] wizard42: johnp_: And how could I set the mplexid field ? The mythtv-setup doenst have a field like this, right ?
[12:32:00] johnp_: wizard42, you'd scan the channels in, back to scan and choose one of the scan options.
[12:33:00] wizard42: Scanning isnt working, so Im trying to setup a channel by hand – but keep getting 'ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0'
[12:33:00] juski: wizard42: have you looked at the structure of the dvb channels in the database?
[12:33:00] johnp_: I think you probably need to reset a bit. It kind of sounds like you have a broken transport somewhere.
[12:34:00] johnp_: (there are no such thing as dvb channels only channels since 0.16)
[12:35:00] juski: yes, channel table, multiplex table, PID table ...
[12:36:00] juski: I wouldn't want to try to fuddle a DVB channel in manually nowadays
[12:36:00] johnp_: It's actually easier :)
[12:36:00] johnp_: wizard42, what kind of DVB card do you have ?
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[12:37:00] juski: more logical maybe ;)
[12:39:00] fryfrog: i just need this QAM thing to work in my favor!
[12:39:00] wizard42: Just looked at the db: dvb_channel and dvb_pids empty, channel and dtv_multiplex 1 channel, seems my attemp to be. Card is a PCTVSat with 'Conexant CX24110 DVB-S|
[12:41:00] johnp_: you can ignore dvb_channel, dvb_pids
[12:42:00] wizard42: HW seems to work ... szap with xine from stdin is fine:-)
[12:43:00] wizard42: I would like to scan, but when trying it hangs on 3% for hours
[12:43:00] juski: there's a script somewhere to translate a channels.conf into DB entries
[12:44:00] juski: have a look in the mailing list archive
[12:44:00] johnp_: make sure it can cope with the new scheme before you do anything like that.
[12:45:00] wizard42: I tried to import it with mythtv-setup ... which imported fine, but does not take into account that my szap cahnnels.conf is in kHz (so 11843 e.g.) and mythtv would like to have Hy
[12:45:00] wizard42: Hz
[12:46:00] juski: so add 3 zeros to the khz number
[12:46:00] wizard42: I'll give it a try :-) I think I read the hole last year of archive ...
[12:46:00] wizard42: could I drop all the tables and mythtv-setup will create them again ?
[12:47:00] johnp_: truncate dtv_multiplex; truncate channel; (not for the faint hearted)
[12:49:00] wizard42: just to be sure: 11837 could be kHz and goes to 11837000 ? No ... max freq is 2150000. so that arent kHz -> 1183700 Hz ?
[12:50:00] juski: 11837 khz, for a satellite feed?
[12:50:00] wizard42: 11837 whatever ... yes
[12:51:00] juski: doesn't sound right
[12:51:00] juski: 1.1837GHz maybe
[12:51:00] wizard42: but seems to work with szap on DVB-S astra ?!
[12:52:00] wizard42: Ah ... ok – this channels.conf hasnt a caption :-/
[12:52:00] juski: yes, but maybe szap doesn't output numbers in khz ;)
[12:53:00] wizard42: Ok ... so 1183700 to place in channels.conf-for-imporing.
[12:53:00] juski: or the satellite scanning util
[12:54:00] wizard42: ANd zour guess for Szmrate ? I have the number 27500
[12:54:00] wizard42: so ... lets make 275000 out of that ? (german keyboard with en layout ...sorry ;-)
[12:56:00] juski: symbolrate? I'd probably leave that as it is
[12:57:00] juski: hang on – doesn't mythtv want frequencies is khz, not hz?
[12:57:00] juski: I know for dvb-t setups I've only ever put the number from the .conf file into the mux frequency parameter field
[12:59:00] wizard42: aerm – the help on bottom of mythtv-setup always talks about hz
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[13:00:00] juski: oops – I'm talking outta my ass
[13:01:00] juski: it is Hz
[13:01:00] ** juski eats humble pie **
[13:02:00] wizard42: ok – debug output: frequency min/max:950000/2150000 and Symbol Rate min/max:1000000/45000000
[13:03:00] juski: right so that's from 950Mhz to 2.15Ghz
[13:03:00] laga: juski: i'm having cookies for lunch now ;)
[13:05:00] juski: hehe laga
[13:05:00] juski: time for my lunch now.. no cookies tho.. on diet. But I'm not overweight – I'm just too short
[13:05:00] laga: juski: hey, heavy bones. i feel for you.
[13:07:00] wizard42: 'WARNING – Your frequency setting (8554600) is out of range.' ... I never set something to this frequence
[13:12:00] wizard42: These "DummyRec: Restart! Frames seen nnn" messages comes all the time after a channel change attemp
[13:21:00] juski: wizard42.. can you put a channels.conf produced by scan in a pastebin?
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[13:35:00] wizard42: juski: Produced by .. pastebin ? Hu ... I found them at web.
[13:35:00] ivor: johnp_: re dbox/dbox2 no idea.
[13:35:00] juski: run the scan utility and pipe its output into a file
[13:35:00] juski: then paste the contents of the file into a pastbin at www.pastebin.ca or similar
[13:35:00] ivor: johnp_: I googled and just ended more confused. :)
[13:36:00] juski: johnp_ : dbox2 is basically the same as a dbox, but when most people mention the dbox they're talking about dbox2
[13:37:00] juski: one thing to note, ivor: they ain't interchangeable ;)
[13:37:00] ivor: juski: aha. "basically the same" or "the same"? I got confused because some of the pages I read actually referred to a "dbox-1"
[13:37:00] ivor: I'll google some more....
[13:38:00] juski: is this in connection with getting a 'dbox' to work with mythtv? in that case it'd have to be dbox2, because AFAIK that's the only one capable of running Neutrino
[13:38:00] wizard42: juski: On one specific transponder or any ?
[13:39:00] juski: any will do, wizard42
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[13:40:00] wizard42: juski: http://pastebin.ca/27280
[13:41:00] juski: wizard42: is that in VDR format?
[13:41:00] juski: i've never seen a scan output that looked like that
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[13:42:00] wizard42: juski: No – sorry ... default, so zsap. this more familiar: http://pastebin.ca/27281 ?
[13:44:00] juski: slightly more familiar
[13:44:00] wizard42: :-)
[13:44:00] juski: right.. it's now clear to me that the satellite scan works differently to the dvb-t :)
[13:44:00] juski: duh
[13:46:00] juski: wizard42: looking at the files within dvb-s in the scan util folder, it seems all the info you need for scanning in mythtv is there
[13:46:00] simon_c: When I try ripping DVDs, I'm getting an error Error: rip directory does not seem to exist
[13:46:00] simon_c: Anyone any clues what whould be causing that ?
[13:48:00] juski: e.g. Astra-19.2E has a freq. of 12551500kHz, which is 12551500000Hz
[13:48:00] juski: simon_c: maybe the directory doesn't exist ;) (or you don't have access rights to it)
[13:48:00] simon_c: it's writing to /var/lib/mythvideo, and it's running as root.
[13:50:00] wizard42: juski: Well – yes .. but ... scan hangs at 3% :-/
[13:51:00] simon_c: the mythdvd screen just says "No jobs and nothing lese to do. You could hit 0 to rip a DVD" and the mtd output has the error message on it.
[13:52:00] simon_c: and after rtryting many times, it's decided to work. very strange.
[13:54:00] simon_c: This time it sais it failed, but the GUI shows it's ripping. Here's the output. http://pastebin.ca/27282
[13:56:00] juski: wizard42: does it even find any channels?
[13:57:00] wizard42: no – it just hangs. No signal quality ... nothing
[13:58:00] juski: hm
[13:59:00] juski: are you using 0.18.1 or svn, wizard42?
[14:01:00] wizard42: juski: mythbackend version: 0.19.20050712–1 www.mythtv.org
[14:01:00] wizard42: Its a knoppmyth-installation
[14:06:00] simon_c: found it. THere's a seting that sets the temp directory to use. And it's the temporary directory that doesn't exist.
[14:06:00] wizard42: http://pastebin.ca/27283 is the hole backend log with -v record,siparser,channel
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[15:38:00] Varanger: I am about to buy a TV tuner
[15:38:00] Varanger: how can I know if it will compatible with MythTV ?
[15:38:00] Varanger: Is there any page I can look into?
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[15:48:00] Dagmar: Buy a Hauppage PVR-xxx model
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[16:17:00] Varanger: Darmar: I am looking for a USB tuner
[16:17:00] Varanger: but I think the Plextor's one is too expensive
[16:17:00] Dagmar: AFAIK none of those currently work with Linux
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[16:18:00] Varanger: Dagmar: which ones?
[16:18:00] Dagmar: USB tuners.
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[16:19:00] Beirdo: the plextor one works fine last I heard
[16:19:00] Varanger: Beirdo: I also heard that
[16:19:00] Beirdo: AFAIK, myth supports it too
[16:19:00] Varanger: but they are expensive
[16:19:00] Beirdo: such is life
[16:19:00] Chutt: if you want a usb tuner, you pay for it.
[16:19:00] Dagmar: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=pvrhw_tuners
[16:19:00] Varanger: there are Hauppage USB tuners
[16:20:00] Varanger: that are supporte by Linux
[16:20:00] Chutt: which are just as expensive as the plextor.
[16:20:00] Varanger: but not with MytyTV
[16:20:00] Varanger: Chutt: I don't think so.
[16:20:00] Chutt: yes, they are.
[16:20:00] Varanger: let me see
[16:20:00] Dagmar: Note that "plextor" is not even mentioned in that database
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[16:21:00] Chutt: dagmar, that database is utter crap.
[16:21:00] Beirdo: Dagmar: notice, nobody cared to add it.
[16:21:00] Beirdo: BFD
[16:21:00] Varanger: But it is mentioned here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1
[16:21:00] Chutt: the 'wintv-pvr-usb' is not supported in linux
[16:21:00] Chutt: the 'wintv-pvr-usb2' is.
[16:22:00] Chutt: mostly, at least.
[16:22:00] Chutt: support is still new.
[16:22:00] Dagmar: So basically, if you get a USB tuner, it'll be you and the developer using it
[16:22:00] Chutt: lot of people use the plextor one
[16:23:00] Chutt: which goes for the same price as hauppauge's usb tuner, strangely enough.
[16:23:00] Chutt: if you want the one with a tuner, at least.
[16:24:00] Dagmar: Ah... Plextor did the driver for it http://www.byopvr.com/displayarticle302.html
[16:25:00] Varanger: What model should I buy?
[16:25:00] Chutt: you should buy a non-usb tuner.
[16:25:00] Beirdo: PVR-150 :)
[16:26:00] Dagmar: ...or the PVR-500
[16:26:00] Varanger: Chutt: that's an option, great option
[16:26:00] Varanger: but I'll use it on a laptop
[16:26:00] Varanger: so I need a "mobile" option
[16:26:00] fryfrog: did you know minipci and pci are pin compatible?
[16:26:00] fryfrog: you can get an adapter to go from pci -> mini-pci and vica versa
[16:27:00] fryfrog: course, you still can't cram a pvr500 into a lappy :)
[16:27:00] Beirdo: duct tape
[16:27:00] Chutt: somehow, i don't think a laptop will make a very good backend.
[16:27:00] fryfrog: dremel toool!
[16:27:00] fryfrog: i don't see why not?
[16:27:00] Beirdo: yeah, a laptop wouldn't be my first choice
[16:27:00] fryfrog: they have plenty powerful cpus now... and built in USB!
[16:27:00] fryfrog: er, UPS
[16:27:00] Dagmar: Some notebook docking stations have full-size PCI slots in them
[16:27:00] fryfrog: woudl'nt be my first choice either :)
[16:27:00] Beirdo: 1) lack of disk space
[16:27:00] Beirdo: 2) lack of CPU for the price
[16:27:00] fryfrog: usb external drive, usb tv tuner
[16:28:00] Varanger: Chutt: I'll use MythTV as a frontend/backend in one just machine
[16:28:00] Beirdo: CPU / $ is WAY higher on a desktop
[16:28:00] fryfrog: any reason you want a lappy for a backend though, it is mildly retarded :)
[16:28:00] Beirdo: 3) lack of PCI slots :)
[16:28:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:28:00] Varanger: I wont stream any content
[16:28:00] Varanger: just watch TV on my computer
[16:28:00] Dagmar: I just spent about $450 on a 3200+ 64-bit machine, sans hard drive. You will not find a (non-stolen) notebook with that power for even 3x the price
[16:28:00] Varanger: and record some shows
[16:29:00] fryfrog: do you already use linux?
[16:30:00] Varanger: Debian sid and Ubuntu Hoary
[16:30:00] fryfrog: myth sounds a little over powered for your goal?
[16:31:00] fryfrog: i'd think windows + any usb device and its windows software might work out better in the long run, due to much larger support
[16:31:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:31:00] Beirdo: heretic :)
[16:31:00] Varanger: Debian is over powered for my goals but I still use it ;)
[16:31:00] fryfrog: but i hear that the plextor one is good, i know i've seen it used here
[16:31:00] fryfrog: i think you might need the svn snapshot to use it? not sure though
[16:32:00] fryfrog: my *humble* opinion of USB+Linux is "avoid if possible" :)
[16:32:00] Varanger: This is a new model: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV100U.htm
[16:32:00] Beirdo: seriously though, using Winblows software may actually fit your needs better. but you are welcome to try
[16:32:00] fryfrog: but i spose it isn't terrible now-a-days
[16:32:00] Varanger: It is only $99
[16:32:00] Beirdo: bah, I use USB for my printers and scanner and camera
[16:32:00] rjune: fryfrog: when's the last time you used usb?
[16:33:00] fryfrog: never :)
[16:33:00] rjune: LOL
[16:33:00] fryfrog: i still use PS2 kb/mouse :)
[16:33:00] Varanger: Beirdo: The same as you, but I should add my Logitech Wingman and memory key
[16:33:00] fryfrog: actually, i try pretty hard to avoid USB in windows too ;)
[16:33:00] Varanger: and Microsoft Wireless Desktop
[16:33:00] Beirdo: oh yeah, memory key
[16:33:00] Varanger: That's funny, I like Microsoft HW !!
[16:33:00] fryfrog: but i've got a usb printer, scanner, camera and hd :)
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[16:34:00] Beirdo: woohoo, my backend died?
[16:34:00] ** Beirdo slaps his PVR **
[16:35:00] Beirdo: it hasn't done that for months
[16:35:00] Dagmar: I like their mice. the rest of their hardware can go hang
[16:35:00] Varanger: I hate Plextor... there are 2 models I can buy!!!
[16:35:00] fryfrog: if in down, search the interweb you got on that aol floppy!
[16:35:00] Varanger: The 99-bucks and 199-bucks one
[16:35:00] Dagmar: Then see if you can buy a REplayTV unit
[16:35:00] Varanger: the latter one is the only that has Linux support
[16:35:00] fryfrog: i think the $199 is the one that supports hardware mpeg4/divx?
[16:36:00] fryfrog: or does the $99 too?
[16:36:00] Dagmar: ReplayTV = frontend, backend, database, etc. DVArchive lets you pull the videos off it
[16:36:00] Beirdo: why are you advertising ReplayTV here?
[16:37:00] Dagmar: I'm not advertising for them.
[16:37:00] Varanger: fryfrog: (http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV100U.htm) it also supports DivX
[16:37:00] Dagmar: I'm offering an alternative that doesn't involve using *windows* software
[16:37:00] Dagmar: From what he stated he wanted, Replay+DVarchive would work pretty well.
[16:37:00] Dagmar: It's what I used to use
[16:38:00] Varanger: This model Plextor PX-TV402U is pretty powerfull
[16:38:00] Varanger: but too expensive
[16:38:00] Beirdo: ok, backend, thou shalt not crash!
[16:39:00] fryfrog: Varanger: another option would be a cheap, slow ass dedicated backend
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[16:39:00] fryfrog: you could easily run a $70 PVR150 in a 450mhz pc
[16:39:00] Beirdo: with lots of disk
[16:40:00] fryfrog: or only a little disk and few shows recorded :)
[16:40:00] Varanger: fryfrog: My last machine was a 450 mhz pc
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[16:40:00] Varanger: danm I sold it !!
[16:40:00] Beirdo: or lots of disk as you will likely fill it anyways :)
[16:40:00] fryfrog: sold it?
[16:40:00] fryfrog: don't worry, just go to the trash can of your neighbor and get it out
[16:40:00] Varanger: $70 :D
[16:41:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[16:41:00] Beirdo: choking the bird flu chicken.
[16:41:00] Varanger: Pentium II 450 Mhz 192 RAM, 13 GB
[16:41:00] Beirdo: interesting description for a skit
[16:41:00] Varanger: but I kept my Voodoo3 card :(
[16:41:00] fryfrog: voodoo 3, score!
[16:42:00] fryfrog: i have a 3dfx tv card
[16:42:00] fryfrog: i use it to keep my rolly chair from rolling back
[16:42:00] Varanger: the 3500 ?
[16:42:00] fryfrog: no, stand alone
[16:42:00] fryfrog: *just* tv
[16:42:00] fryfrog: i forget what it was called, it was noting just bttv based
[16:42:00] Varanger: I used to love 3Dfx and Glide
[16:43:00] fryfrog: everyone loved 3dfx :)
[16:43:00] Varanger: At its time, Glide was more powerful than OpenGL
[16:43:00] fryfrog: i bet they'd still be around if they had stuck to making chipsets
[16:43:00] ** laga is too young to ever have owned some of their stuff, darn **
[16:44:00] fryfrog: i had a friend with one of those monster 2x 3dfx cards on one pci card
[16:44:00] ** Varanger remembers "compiling" the Glide3x support in a Red Hat 6.1 **
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[16:45:00] Varanger: The only thing I didn't like about my card was it has horrible support for OpenGL games
[16:45:00] Beirdo: I ran twin Voodoo2 with SLI for a while
[16:45:00] fryfrog: yeah, it was one of those twin voodoo 2 on one card
[16:45:00] Beirdo: or whatever they called it then, same difference
[16:45:00] fryfrog: obsidian?
[16:45:00] Dagmar: I just used SGI machines
[16:45:00] fryfrog: quakegl i saw for the first time
[16:46:00] fryfrog: it was ......
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[16:46:00] ** Beirdo compiles from SVN again **
[16:48:00] Varanger: fryfrog: it was .....
[16:48:00] Varanger: There are 2 thing I missed from the 199X .... 3Dfx and Sierra "Adventure" Games
[16:49:00] Beirdo: hah
[16:49:00] Beirdo: beer
[16:49:00] Beirdo: I missed a lot of classes
[16:49:00] fryfrog: I wish Cavedog hadn't fucked up and written TA:K before TA2
[16:49:00] fryfrog: stupidasses
[16:49:00] Varanger: Beirdo: But I don't hate NVIDIA
[16:50:00] Beirdo: why would you?
[16:50:00] Varanger: but I REALLY hate Vivendi !!!
[16:50:00] Varanger: I would hate it because it bought 3Dfx only two month after I buy my Voodoo3
[16:50:00] Beirdo: the only companies I hate are Microsoft, Bell and the cable company
[16:50:00] Varanger: :(
[16:51:00] Varanger: Beirdo: I like Microsoft Hardware
[16:51:00] Varanger: :D
[16:51:00] Beirdo: microsoft is shit
[16:51:00] Beirdo: period
[16:51:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:51:00] ** Beirdo flushes a mouse **
[16:51:00] Dagmar: Either you don't have a car or you forgot British Petroleum
[16:51:00] ** laga throws some wireless mice at Beirdo **
[16:51:00] Beirdo: BP hasn't been around in Canada since I was about 6
[16:51:00] fryfrog: haha "the cable company" :)
[16:51:00] fryfrog: whats wrong with BP?
[16:52:00] fryfrog: i thought it was exxon that got the nod for sucking?
[16:52:00] Beirdo: the cable company here being Rogers
[16:52:00] Beirdo: blech
[16:52:00] Beirdo: all oil companies suck
[16:52:00] fryfrog: no no, just "the cable company" is far more accurate :)
[16:52:00] Varanger: I have to leave.
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[16:52:00] Beirdo: just be sure to buy their stock so you can profit off the gouging too
[16:52:00] Varanger: I'll let you know as soon as I get my MythTV up and working!
[16:52:00] Beirdo: good luck
[16:52:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:52:00] fryfrog: i read that exxon made $340 in profit per person in the united states
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[16:53:00] Beirdo: that's what they are supposed to do
[16:53:00] Beirdo: they are a corporation after all, not a non-profit
[16:53:00] Dagmar: I know that nearly all the oil companies had record setting profits more than 30% higher than ever this last Q as a result
[16:53:00] Dagmar: That doesn't amuse me
[16:53:00] Beirdo: so don't drive a gas-guzzler
[16:53:00] Beirdo: it's your own fault if you do :)
[16:53:00] Dagmar: I dont
[16:54:00] Beirdo: yeah, their record profits piss me off too
[16:54:00] Beirdo: buy their stock and ride the wave
[16:54:00] Dagmar: I get 32mpg and have a tiny car
[16:54:00] Beirdo: I got that with a large car
[16:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:54:00] ivor: 32! whoa.
[16:55:00] fryfrog: i got rid of my 18mpg crown vic just in time :)
[16:55:00] Dagmar: I settled for moving to an apartment abuot 5 minutes from the office
[16:55:00] ivor: I can get 10 sometimes. :D
[16:55:00] fryfrog: i ride the pedal of our new miata nd still get 25pmg :)
[16:55:00] Beirdo: and now, my next car will be a hybrid
[16:55:00] Dagmar: Once the weather stabilizes, I'm going to bike or walk
[16:55:00] Beirdo: stabilizes?
[16:55:00] Beirdo: just walk :)
[16:55:00] fryfrog: i hope by the time you buy it they are actually *worth* it :)
[16:55:00] Dagmar: It's Tennessee.
[16:55:00] Beirdo: I walk daily, rain, shine, snow...
[16:55:00] Beirdo: I don't care
[16:55:00] Dagmar: One day it'll be 75 outside. The next 35.
[16:56:00] Beirdo: yeah well
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[16:56:00] Dagmar: You can't go into work wearing short sleeves and then walk back in a parka
[16:56:00] Beirdo: fryfrog: they are worth it now
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[16:56:00] dzentoo: hi
[16:57:00] fryfrog: how does canada do mpg ratings?
[16:57:00] ** ivor guesses he should feel guilty that his record was 0.6mpg. :) **
[16:57:00] Beirdo: liters/100km
[16:57:00] Beirdo: but most of us still convert to mpg
[16:57:00] fryfrog: no, i mean the standards used for testing
[16:57:00] dzentoo: I have some questions about mytthv
[16:57:00] Dagmar: Gas would have to have hit $3/gal to make a $30,000 "economy car" viable
[16:57:00] Beirdo: who knows?
[16:57:00] fryfrog: are they pretty scrict?
[16:58:00] fryfrog: what i mean is that, in the US the sticker mpg ratings are based on something like a 40% idle time for city driving and 60mph highway speeds
[16:58:00] Beirdo: Dagmar: have fun driving a gas guzzler then, don't complain to me when the oil companies make buttloads
[16:58:00] fryfrog: they are then boosted by 10%
[16:59:00] Beirdo: I'm not sure how they do the testing
[16:59:00] fryfrog: so these numbers are WAY off from real usage
[16:59:00] Dagmar: I'm not complaining to you
[16:59:00] Beirdo: usually
[16:59:00] fryfrog: but they are comparable to eachother, if you know what i mean?
[16:59:00] dzentoo: hm, can I have a backend running on a machine, and the frontend running on another ?
[16:59:00] Beirdo: my former car (Accord V6) would get about 35mpg on the highway, and about 18mpg in the city
[16:59:00] Dagmar: dzentoo\: Yes
[16:59:00] Beirdo: but almost all my driving was highway
[16:59:00] fryfrog: consumer reports did a big umm... comparison of real vs. listed effeciency
[17:00:00] dzentoo: Dagmar: I'm a gentoo user.
[17:00:00] Beirdo: real efficiency is completely dependant on your usage patterns
[17:00:00] fryfrog: most ratings were something like 10mpg off from the sticker, and unfortunatly some of the worst were the hybrids
[17:00:00] ** Dagmar hands dzentoo a cookie. **
[17:00:00] Krazylegz: I am a Gentoo user.
[17:00:00] Dagmar: The hybrids could get away with running on battery for most of the test, which was the problem
[17:00:00] Beirdo: my fiancee's Prius gets about 45–55mpg in her normal driving
[17:00:00] Beirdo: the car measures it
[17:01:00] dzentoo: so, I juste emerged the frontend on my laptops. How can I get it work ?
[17:01:00] fryfrog: i think it was the civic hybrid that did badly
[17:01:00] fryfrog: only like 4–5 mpg > non-hybrid
[17:01:00] Beirdo: could be
[17:01:00] Krazylegz: dzentoo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
[17:01:00] jvs: how can I fix records, that fail to transcode?
[17:01:00] Beirdo: that depends on how you drive it though
[17:01:00] dzentoo: ok thankyou Krazylegz
[17:01:00] fryfrog: the prius is a nice car, but its a shame its so expensive
[17:01:00] ivor: of course the most ecomonical use is not to have mass population commuting into and out of crowded cities twice a day.
[17:01:00] Krazylegz: We Gentooers gots to stick together!
[17:01:00] Chutt: my tl gets 31mpg on the highway.
[17:01:00] Beirdo: it's a nice car, and fun to drive.
[17:01:00] Chutt: measured, over a 1200 mile trip.
[17:01:00] Krazylegz: Prius is nice? I thought the interior was really cheap.
[17:02:00] fryfrog: got some of the best hybrid tech behind it too
[17:02:00] Beirdo: Chutt: yeah, not surprised. :) Honda does a good engine :)
[17:02:00] Beirdo: the Prius is a nice car. we're going to buy a second one once we are married, etc
[17:02:00] Beirdo: I'll be getting the old one :(
[17:02:00] Chutt: the prius is fugly :p
[17:02:00] Beirdo: it is
[17:03:00] Beirdo: but such is life to have low gas bills when the oil companies gouge
[17:03:00] Beirdo: and we'll be living just outside the city and commuting daily into it (San Juan, PR)
[17:03:00] Beirdo: and hybrids are excellent commuter cars if you drive em right
[17:04:00] ivor: my car's just for recreation.... trains for commuting.
[17:04:00] Beirdo: if you like to floor it and slam on the brakes... hybrids suck ass
[17:04:00] Beirdo: as do most cars, actually
[17:04:00] Chutt: but that's the only way to drive
[17:04:00] Beirdo: heh, it's certainly a fun way to drive
[17:04:00] Chutt: gotta drive it like you stole it
[17:04:00] Beirdo: and I did it all the time in the accord
[17:05:00] Chutt: else you might as well be in a kia
[17:05:00] ivor: and if you're not lighting up the back tires... you haven't got enough bhp.
[17:05:00] Beirdo: hah
[17:05:00] Krazylegz: Light up all fours, AWD baby!
[17:05:00] Beirdo: I don't do muscle cars
[17:05:00] Beirdo: and my car was front wheel drive
[17:05:00] ivor: euwww.
[17:05:00] ivor: :)
[17:05:00] Beirdo: if I was lighting up the back tires, I'd be having problems
[17:06:00] fryfrog: front wheel drive is for sissies!
[17:06:00] Beirdo: bah
[17:06:00] fryfrog: if you can't sling your ass around, don't bother getting in the car :)
[17:06:00] Krazylegz: I drove a Saab 9–3 Viggen a few months ago. MAD torque steer.
[17:06:00] Beirdo: if you can't sling the ass of a front wheel drive car around, you ain't trying hard enough
[17:07:00] Chutt: front wheel drive's for people with snow. :p
[17:07:00] fryfrog: ebrake is for sissies too!
[17:07:00] fryfrog: :)
[17:07:00] Beirdo: Chutt's got that right
[17:07:00] fryfrog: i'd like a suburu impreza wrx actually, prolly my top favorite fun car
[17:07:00] Krazylegz: No STI?
[17:07:00] Beirdo: AWD would be nice
[17:07:00] fryfrog: oh, duh
[17:07:00] fryfrog: 300HP 4cyl?
[17:07:00] fryfrog: YES PLEASE
[17:07:00] Beirdo: I'd go with a Audi A6 though :)
[17:08:00] Beirdo: my old boss' was a joy to drive
[17:08:00] ivor: yawn. less than 400? ho hum. :D
[17:08:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, C6 A6 is nice.
[17:08:00] fryfrog: no european cars make the reliability list :)
[17:08:00] Beirdo: until his wife blew both turbos
[17:08:00] Krazylegz: My dad wants one in Canyon Red.
[17:08:00] dev-: my a4 1.8t is pretty reliable
[17:08:00] Beirdo: I don't think he was maintaining it right
[17:08:00] dev-: i even spun it out off the highway in august
[17:08:00] dev-: nothing wrong with it hehe
[17:08:00] Beirdo: A6 2.6T, I think he had
[17:08:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: 2.7T.
[17:09:00] fryfrog: i got run off the highway once... but never spun :)
[17:09:00] Krazylegz: Same motor that's in my S4.
[17:09:00] Beirdo: may have been
[17:09:00] dev-: my tires were bald :(
[17:09:00] dev-: it was raining
[17:09:00] Beirdo: been a couple years since I've seen that car
[17:09:00] dev-: not even quattro could keep me on the road hehe
[17:09:00] Beirdo: 4 bald tires put you off the road faster than anything
[17:09:00] Krazylegz: Beirdo: I got a ride in someone's stage 3+ A6 2.7T. 485whp.
[17:09:00] dev-: awd is better than fwd and way better than rwd... but its at the expense of tires ive noticed
[17:10:00] fryfrog: whp == wheel horsepower?
[17:10:00] Krazylegz: Yes.
[17:10:00] Beirdo: so now I *occasionally* drive...
[17:10:00] Krazylegz: Technically, for an A6 it is awhp.
[17:10:00] Beirdo: my father's "spare" mini-van. what a POS
[17:10:00] fryfrog: hehe
[17:10:00] Beirdo: but I ain't paying for a car in downtown Toronto
[17:11:00] Krazylegz: 485awhp/.85 = 570 at the crank.
[17:11:00] fryfrog: i test drove an RX8 the other day
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[17:11:00] a1fa: yo
[17:11:00] Beirdo: my current boss sold his Porsche :(
[17:11:00] Beirdo: 968
[17:11:00] a1fa: how much bandwidth do you need for mythtv frontend?
[17:11:00] fryfrog: it revs so high and the gearing is so spaced, you can't start in 2nd
[17:11:00] fryfrog: you can't hardly rolling start in 2nd either
[17:11:00] a1fa: lol
[17:11:00] ivor: 968 clubsport. nice.
[17:11:00] a1fa: i can start in 2nd gear in my mazda3
[17:11:00] fryfrog: a1fa: 1–2mbit
[17:11:00] a1fa: it just wears your clutch out
[17:12:00] Beirdo: yeah, it was a beautiful car
[17:12:00] a1fa: :P
[17:12:00] fryfrog: a1fa: mazda3 doesn't redline at 9k rpm :)
[17:12:00] a1fa: :(
[17:12:00] a1fa: mazda8 redlines at 19k
[17:12:00] a1fa: ;P
[17:12:00] ivor: Beirdo: yellow?
[17:12:00] Beirdo: but he's domesticating now... having his first kid. bye bye porsche
[17:12:00] Beirdo: no
[17:12:00] Beirdo: it was gunmetal grey
[17:12:00] ivor: Beirdo: shame. great colour for them.
[17:12:00] a1fa: anyone got a publick mythtv backend :?
[17:12:00] Beirdo: the cops never noticed it
[17:12:00] Beirdo: with yellow, you really get noticed
[17:12:00] ivor: Beirdo: yeah sold my porsche when I got sensible and bought a house.
[17:12:00] fryfrog: a1fa: almost certainly not :)
[17:12:00] a1fa: that i can hook to and watch tv :(
[17:13:00] Beirdo: not good when you are doing > 50% over the limit
[17:13:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i am doing bout the same..
[17:13:00] ivor: easilly done. :)
[17:13:00] a1fa: 115mph on the freeway
[17:13:00] a1fa: hehehe
[17:13:00] a1fa: :(
[17:13:00] Beirdo: yeah, you want a car that's not bright colored when you do that
[17:13:00] Beirdo: cops look for red, yellow, etc.
[17:13:00] Beirdo: but grey, nope.
[17:13:00] dev-: having a dull color car is a good thing
[17:13:00] Beirdo: yup
[17:14:00] dev-: you can blend into traffic alot easier when you run from the cops
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[17:14:00] Beirdo: my black car kept me from being noticed at least twice I know of
[17:14:00] laga: a1fa: you've asked a few weeks before and the answer is still now
[17:14:00] dev-: my a4 is silver
[17:14:00] dzentoo: 115 mph, it is how many km/h ?
[17:14:00] Beirdo: well, dirty black
[17:14:00] ivor: doubled the uk limit in a silver one. :D long time ago. very early in the morning.
[17:14:00] Beirdo: nice
[17:14:00] Beirdo: dzentoo: 185
[17:15:00] dzentoo: ok
[17:15:00] dev-: hehe i was on my way to work, coming down a hill on the new jersey turnpike, thought i was clear, brought it up to 110 (speed limit 65) looked on the side of the road and saw a state trooper pull out
[17:15:00] dzentoo: sorry, but I'm a french guy
[17:15:00] Beirdo: had the accord up to about 100mph (160km/h) a fair number of times
[17:15:00] Beirdo: setting cruise at 150km/h in a 100km/h zone and still being constantly passed... that's an experience
[17:16:00] dzentoo: I've got a friend, who is driving a cycle, and goes up to 265km/h on a trakcs
[17:16:00] dzentoo: tracks
[17:16:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:16:00] Beirdo: organ donor
[17:16:00] dzentoo: he is just 20
[17:16:00] dzentoo: and don't have driver licence
[17:16:00] dzentoo: :P
[17:16:00] ivor: yeah, that's what the paramedics call them.
[17:16:00] Beirdo: I hope he makes it to 30
[17:16:00] fryfrog: would there even be any organs left over?
[17:17:00] Beirdo: those things are fun but OH so dangerous
[17:17:00] ivor: much safer doing those speeds on a track of course.
[17:17:00] Beirdo: true
[17:17:00] dzentoo: ivor: true.
[17:17:00] ivor: Beirdo: yeah that was the other toy that I 'lost' when I married! :(
[17:17:00] Beirdo: awww
[17:17:00] ivor: Suzuki Bandit.
[17:17:00] dev-: screw getting married hehe
[17:17:00] dzentoo: personnaly I rarly goes up to 100 km/h
[17:17:00] Beirdo: eek
[17:17:00] Beirdo: I barely ever go DOWN to 100km/h on the highway
[17:18:00] dzentoo: in france, the speedlimit is 130 km/h
[17:18:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:18:00] ivor: heheh. and.
[17:18:00] Beirdo: I'd be doing about 150 minimum
[17:18:00] Beirdo: speed limit here's 100
[17:18:00] dzentoo: 150 is the italian speedlitmit
[17:18:00] Beirdo: I do 125–135
[17:18:00] ** laga doesn't have any speed limits :> **
[17:18:00] Beirdo: and sometimes i go faster
[17:18:00] laga: on our highways.
[17:18:00] ivor: dzentoo: heh. since when have the italian police actually enforced the limit?
[17:19:00] dev-: wow our speedlimits in america suck
[17:19:00] dzentoo: laga: are you german ?
[17:19:00] a1fa: so how many mbits? 1mbit for weaker quality?
[17:19:00] Beirdo: laga: eat me :)
[17:19:00] dev-: i wish we could routinely do 100mph
[17:19:00] Beirdo: dev-: go to montana
[17:19:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:19:00] fryfrog: a1fa: it depends on how you store your video, but the average is prolly 1–2.5mbit
[17:19:00] laga: dzentoo: jawoll! :)
[17:19:00] dzentoo: laga: :)
[17:19:00] dev-: there are no jobs in montana :)
[17:19:00] laga: Beirdo: still working on the licence, though
[17:19:00] fryfrog: a1fa: HD would of course be way more
[17:19:00] dev-: montana is almost like a 3rd world country
[17:19:00] Beirdo: so?
[17:19:00] a1fa: fryfrog : so much for pushing video :(
[17:19:00] Beirdo: you can drive fast
[17:19:00] fryfrog: and if you use mpeg4 instead of mpeg2, it could be even less
[17:19:00] fryfrog: a1fa: its not made to be internet streaming
[17:19:00] dev-: need money to maintain my big toys :)
[17:20:00] Beirdo: so live nearby, and go driving in Montana
[17:20:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:20:00] ivor: or get a good radar detector and let rip.....
[17:20:00] fryfrog: laser jammer :)
[17:20:00] Beirdo: won't help
[17:20:00] fryfrog: they are legal
[17:20:00] Beirdo: that's more like it
[17:20:00] fryfrog: well, in the US
[17:20:00] Beirdo: many cops use laser now
[17:20:00] Beirdo: and they aren't legal in every state
[17:21:00] fryfrog: laser is controlled by FDA
[17:21:00] Beirdo: just like radar detectors
[17:21:00] fryfrog: so they are legal in *every* state
[17:21:00] fryfrog: its radar jammers that are not
[17:21:00] ivor: oh alright radar/laser detector... pedant.
[17:21:00] dev-: they're legal, but here they dont make a difference. cops have whats called "instant on" radar. they just point and click and it only sends one pulse
[17:21:00] dev-: so you get bzzztttttt and no chance to slowdonw
[17:21:00] fryfrog: laser != radar
[17:22:00] dev-: they dont use laser here
[17:22:00] fryfrog: ah
[17:22:00] a1fa: i whish somebody would let me connect to their backend.. please :P
[17:22:00] a1fa: i just want to try it out
[17:22:00] Beirdo: a1fa: dream on
[17:22:00] fryfrog: a1fa: its not feasible on the inetnet
[17:22:00] Beirdo: make your own
[17:22:00] a1fa: why not?
[17:22:00] fryfrog: no one has a 2mbit outbound pipe
[17:22:00] a1fa: i got OC12
[17:22:00] Beirdo: for starters
[17:22:00] a1fa: :(
[17:22:00] fryfrog: a1fa: go buy a $10 bttv card
[17:22:00] dev-: we still use radar detectors though, so you can detect them hitting other cars and you use other cars as shields
[17:22:00] dev-: its all a game :)
[17:22:00] dev-: with 1 life, and damage is on
[17:22:00] dev-: HEHE
[17:22:00] a1fa: fryfrog : would that work on linux?
[17:23:00] Beirdo: or you just do what I did...
[17:23:00] Beirdo: run the risk
[17:23:00] fryfrog: as long as its bttv :)
[17:23:00] Beirdo: and never get caught
[17:23:00] ivor: I've trained my son to play "spot the police car" :)
[17:23:00] a1fa: fryfrog : how about quality?
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[17:23:00] dev-: ive had to run a couple times
[17:23:00] Beirdo: and "spot where a cop might hide"
[17:23:00] dev-: im 3/4 heh
[17:23:00] a1fa: ivor : i got an infra-red camera in my trunk
[17:23:00] a1fa: for that shit
[17:23:00] fryfrog: sucks penis, but for $10 its awsome for testing
[17:24:00] fryfrog: i use my old bttv cards to keep my rolly chair from moving around :)
[17:24:00] Beirdo: I've come up to bridges and said "cop will be there" and gone from 150km/h to 110km/h before passing it
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[17:24:00] Beirdo: then watched the cop pull out and nail the guy in front of me
[17:24:00] a1fa: can you buy it @walmart?
[17:24:00] bill2or3: hmmmm
[17:24:00] bill2or3: eww
[17:24:00] fryfrog: doubtful
[17:25:00] fryfrog: and compusa/frys it will be $30–40
[17:25:00] fryfrog: look at ebay or something
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[17:25:00] a1fa: kewl
[17:25:00] a1fa: ;) i whish somebody would let me play just a bit ;(
[17:25:00] bill2or3: hmm.
[17:25:00] fryfrog: send me your OC12 and i'll let you
[17:25:00] a1fa: ni66a just want a lill bit
[17:26:00] OverNet8318712: hi
[17:26:00] a1fa: yo
[17:26:00] bill2or3: we have a directivo at work, could I put a myth box there and then copy shows from it down to my home mythtv?
[17:26:00] a1fa: i cant wait to setup my myth
[17:26:00] Beirdo: a1fa: won't happen, give u
[17:26:00] Beirdo: up
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[17:26:00] a1fa: Beirdo : buddy and I were thinking of sharing a cable bill on PVR-500, and push it around
[17:26:00] fryfrog: bill2or3: why not just use the tivo hack stuff to pull the shows right off it?
[17:26:00] Beirdo: illegal
[17:27:00] Beirdo: don't even bother discussing that here
[17:27:00] fryfrog: which one?
[17:27:00] bill2or3: fry, either way.
[17:27:00] a1fa: Beirdo : i also wanted to have a cable from europe pushed to me
[17:27:00] bill2or3: gotcha beirdo, subject closed.
[17:27:00] Beirdo: a1fa: also illegal
[17:27:00] a1fa: that would be legal
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[17:27:00] a1fa: nah.. it is legal.. since the cable is free where i live
[17:27:00] a1fa: public tv
[17:27:00] Beirdo: go read your copyright laws
[17:28:00] fryfrog: its still almost certainly not legal to rebroadcast/share it
[17:28:00] Beirdo: bingo
[17:28:00] a1fa: hm, good point
[17:28:00] ** a1fa scraps **
[17:28:00] fryfrog: but i think it'd be legal for you to say, have a house in GA and record with your mythbackend and play back in your house in NY
[17:28:00] fryfrog: but not your buddies house
[17:28:00] Beirdo: sucks, but those are the laws you are stuck with
[17:29:00] Beirdo: and work/home would likely get you in crap too
[17:29:00] Beirdo: if not your employer too
[17:29:00] bill2or3: heh, doubtfull[
[17:29:00] a1fa: fryfrog : good point. i want to re-broadcast at my vacation home.. two houses down :P
[17:29:00] bill2or3: my boss did the tivohack.  :-)
[17:29:00] IceFred: Is this the right place to ask a question about the missing dependency for libqt3c102-mt with the debian packages?
[17:29:00] IceFred: If so does anyone know how to solve them?
[17:31:00] a1fa: get the dependencie somewhere else
[17:31:00] IceFred: a1fa ?
[17:31:00] IceFred: what do you mean?
[17:31:00] a1fa: IceFred : search for it
[17:31:00] a1fa: on packages.debian.org
[17:32:00] a1fa: apt-get it
[17:32:00] a1fa: or search on google
[17:32:00] a1fa: and get it from somehwere else
[17:32:00] a1fa: get a source and recompile it
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[17:33:00] abarbaccia: anybody here good with nVidia cards that could help me get color on my output?
[17:34:00] ivor: abarbaccia: ?
[17:34:00] fryfrog: abarbaccia: make sure its in the right mode, pal or ntsc
[17:34:00] abarbaccia: fryfrog, its in ntsc mode correctly
[17:34:00] abarbaccia: see, i think the problem lies in the svideo -> composite
[17:34:00] abarbaccia: it only has svideo output on the back
[17:35:00] abarbaccia: it comes with one of those little connector things too tho
[17:35:00] fryfrog: you have to use the card's special svideo->rca cable
[17:35:00] fryfrog: ah, nm
[17:35:00] abarbaccia: to change from svid to composite
[17:35:00] fryfrog: did you make sure the card was in composite mode, if that is something you can do?
[17:35:00] fryfrog: i do'nt recall if it is
[17:35:00] abarbaccia: so in the xorg file if i put svideo – i get balck and white
[17:35:00] Beirdo: sounds like you are getting only luma
[17:35:00] Beirdo: no chroma
[17:35:00] IceFred: a1fa, it was replaced by libqt3-mt, which I have installed
[17:35:00] a1fa: ok
[17:35:00] abarbaccia: if its in composite mode – then i get nothing
[17:35:00] a1fa: then install the package manually
[17:36:00] fryfrog: you sure you have the right cable?
[17:36:00] a1fa: or force it to ignore dependencies
[17:36:00] abarbaccia: Beirdo, that's what i believe it is
[17:36:00] a1fa: dpkg -i --force-all
[17:36:00] fryfrog: i've tried one that fit from another card, but that didn't work :/
[17:36:00] Beirdo: maybe your adapter's busted
[17:36:00] abarbaccia: i don't know what it could be – i'm gonna look at the adapter again
[17:36:00] fryfrog: could be something as stupid as a bent pin or broken wire inside
[17:37:00] abarbaccia: Beirdo, im thinking of using a wire to connect the top 2 pins if the adapter looks fine – that'll emulate composite
[17:37:00] ivor: abarbaccia: if you need to make one:- http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html
[17:37:00] a1fa: gotta go back to work
[17:37:00] a1fa: later
[17:38:00] abarbaccia: ivor, can't i just connect the top two pins on my current connector?
[17:38:00] IceFred: a1fa thx for the hlep
[17:38:00] Beirdo: maybe through resistors
[17:39:00] Beirdo: they are using a capacitor. I guess that could do the trick
[17:39:00] Beirdo: makes sense, have to block the DC component of one of the signals
[17:39:00] abarbaccia: Beirdo, i'm saying there is probably a capacitor already in my connector
[17:39:00] Beirdo: a busted one, maybe
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[17:40:00] abarbaccia: quite possibly – brb – i'm gonna get tinfoil....
[17:40:00] Beirdo: make a hat :)
[17:40:00] ivor: heheh. oh dear.
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[17:45:00] abarbaccia: wish me luck – tinfoil is in place
[17:47:00] fryfrog: BZZZZT
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[17:49:00] abarbaccia: holy shit it actually worked
[17:49:00] abarbaccia: LOL
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[17:53:00] Beirdo: I think the capacitor in that adapter's likely fubar
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[18:14:00] xris: wow, I started a huge discussion about mythweb on the mailing list.
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[18:25:00] Chutt: xris, yeah, 'don't contribute anything' :p
[18:26:00] ivor: xris: and is it worth heading off to read... or can you summarise in a single sentence here instead?
[18:26:00] Chutt: i just did :p
[18:26:00] ivor: lol
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[18:30:00] ** Krazylegz pokes xris in the bad shoulder **
[18:30:00] Krazylegz: Hurry up with the "rearchitecting" already.
[18:30:00] Beirdo: bah
[18:31:00] kormoc: ouch
[18:31:00] ** Beirdo wanders off to find lunch **
[18:32:00] ** Krazylegz pokes xris's minion **
[18:32:00] ** kormoc jumps. **
[18:34:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: Fly back here for wings.
[18:34:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, I will be in december
[18:35:00] dzentoo: humpf
[18:35:00] dzentoo: I think i have a problem with mythfilldatabase
[18:36:00] kormoc: gentoo?
[18:36:00] dzentoo: yes
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[18:37:00] dzentoo: i started mythbackend with a little "mythbackend&"
[18:37:00] kormoc: dzentoo, don't do that
[18:37:00] dzentoo: ok
[18:37:00] kormoc: dzentoo, killall -9 mythbackend and then /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
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[18:37:00] kormoc: dzentoo, and to get it to start on boot, rc-update add mythbackend default
[18:37:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I don't think his init.d entry includes logging for mythbackend.
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[18:38:00] dzentoo: just look
[18:38:00] dzentoo: manzana ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[18:38:00] dzentoo: * Starting MythTV Backend ... [ ok ]
[18:38:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ?
[18:38:00] dzentoo: manzana ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[18:38:00] dzentoo: * Stopping MythTV Backend ...
[18:38:00] dzentoo: start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 12999: No such process [ !!
[18:39:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: Yes.
[18:39:00] kormoc: dzentoo, check the log file, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[18:39:00] dzentoo: ok
[18:39:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, it sure does, as that's the only way I run the backend and that file gets updated.
[18:39:00] dzentoo: no sucj file / directory
[18:39:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:40:00] dzentoo: oh damn bad xterm :(
[18:40:00] Krazylegz: Told you. :-P
[18:40:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, there is no reason it would not
[18:41:00] kormoc: anyway, the issue with mythfill database tends to be cause the $home is set to /var/logs/mythtv rather then /root or similar
[18:41:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I am inclined to agree.
[18:41:00] kormoc: so mythbackend fires up correctly, but mythfilldatabase can't find the ~/.myth directory
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[18:42:00] dzentoo: ok, I must have a mythtv user on the machine ?
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[18:42:00] kormoc: dzentoo, nah
[18:43:00] kormoc: you can try
[18:43:00] kormoc: $HOME="/var/logs/mythtv" mythfilldatabase and see if that works
[18:43:00] dzentoo: ok
[18:43:00] dzentoo: without the '$' ?
[18:43:00] kormoc: nah, you need the $
[18:43:00] Beirdo: hmm
[18:43:00] dzentoo: ok
[18:43:00] Beirdo: no
[18:43:00] kormoc: er wait
[18:43:00] kormoc: no you don't
[18:43:00] Beirdo: without
[18:43:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:43:00] zuralin: no you dont
[18:44:00] Krazylegz: Without.
[18:44:00] ** kormoc thunks himself with a trout **
[18:44:00] Beirdo: xris: I think your minion's losing his mind :)
[18:44:00] kormoc: Beirdo, he knew that when he hired me :P
[18:44:00] dzentoo: There is womething i don't understand
[18:45:00] dzentoo: when I look at mythbackendlog
[18:45:00] dzentoo: it said
[18:45:00] dzentoo: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[18:45:00] dzentoo: Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[18:45:00] dzentoo: of the general settings.
[18:45:00] dzentoo: but
[18:45:00] dzentoo: I already ran mythtv-setup
[18:45:00] dzentoo: on the machine
[18:45:00] kormoc: did you set the backend server ip?
[18:45:00] dzentoo: yep
[18:46:00] kormoc: did you run mythsetup with
[18:46:00] kormoc: HOME="/var/log/mythtv" mythsetup?
[18:46:00] dzentoo: what does it changes ?
[18:46:00] dzentoo: don't understand that anymore
[18:47:00] kormoc: without it, it setups the ~/.myth/mysql.txt file in your home directory, rather then the one mythbackend reads from
[18:47:00] dzentoo: I just have to move ~/.myth to /var/log/mythtv ? :)
[18:47:00] kormoc: that /should/ work fine, aye
[18:47:00] dzentoo: ok thanks
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[18:50:00] dzentoo: So thanks, the backend is started
[18:51:00] kormoc: you're welcome
[18:51:00] Krazylegz: Go kormoc, it's your birthday!
[18:52:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:52:00] dzentoo: :)
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[18:56:00] Beirdo: the log dir is a rather dumb default for the "home directory" of mythtv
[18:57:00] Beirdo: /var/log is not supposed to be for setup files :)
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[18:59:00] Beirdo: no wonder people get confused
[18:59:00] Beirdo: where's Cardoe? he needs a trout
[18:59:00] Led-Hed: lol
[18:59:00] Led-Hed: still flinging the fish eh?
[19:00:00] Beirdo: but of course
[19:00:00] Beirdo: OK, Google, I want temperatures in F
[19:00:00] Beirdo: where's that setting, bishes?
[19:00:00] Led-Hed: 32 degrees celcius in ferenheight. (spelling)
[19:00:00] kormoc: Beirdo, cardoe swears that it fixes a crashing bug when /var fills up.
[19:01:00] kormoc: Beirdo, hence why he has it setup to do so
[19:01:00] Beirdo: ummm
[19:01:00] Beirdo: that's retarded
[19:01:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:01:00] Beirdo: don't let /var fill up
[19:01:00] kormoc: evendently cardoe's /var fills up weekly
[19:01:00] Beirdo: and putting MORE stuff in /var/log won't fix that?
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[19:01:00] Beirdo: makes no sense
[19:01:00] Beirdo: he needs a trout
[19:01:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – how do i center the image on my tv with the nvidia card?
[19:02:00] ** Krazylegz writes a script to randomly delete things from /var when it gets close to full **
[19:02:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I agree, I put in a bug about it, but until the /var filling up crashes the backend bug is fixed, he won't change how myth is done in gentoo
[19:02:00] Beirdo: jeez
[19:02:00] Chutt: what's the backend use var for?
[19:03:00] Beirdo: /var filling will crash mysql on most systems
[19:03:00] Beirdo: how do you expect mythtv to fix that?
[19:03:00] Led-Hed: abarbaccia, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7676/README.txt
[19:04:00] Led-Hed: abarbaccia, Optionally, mode names can be followed by offset information to
[19:04:00] Led-Hed: control the positioning of the display devices within the virtual
[19:04:00] Led-Hed: screen space; e.g.:
[19:04:00] Led-Hed:
[19:04:00] Led-Hed: "1600x1200 +0+0, 1024x768 +1600+0; ..."
[19:05:00] Beirdo: as /var/lib/mysql is the "normal" location for the database store (last I looked), I would expect mysql failure when /var fills
[19:05:00] Beirdo: that's not a mythtv bug, that's a "you let your partition fill, you fool" problem
[19:05:00] Led-Hed: just do a log rotate
[19:05:00] Beirdo: that too
[19:05:00] Beirdo: log rotate your backend logs
[19:06:00] Beirdo: mine are only 46MB
[19:06:00] Beirdo: for the last year
[19:06:00] dzentoo: yeah
[19:06:00] dzentoo: X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) 179
[19:06:00] kormoc: Beirdo, oddly enough, my backend log was 1.5 gb for the past 6 months
[19:07:00] Beirdo: wow, turn down the debugging :)
[19:07:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I never raised it...
[19:07:00] ** kormoc wonders where it would be set **
[19:07:00] abarbaccia: Led-Hed, thanks a bunch!
[19:07:00] Beirdo: I can almost guarantee you I record more than you
[19:07:00] kormoc: Beirdo, I think I know what it is
[19:07:00] Led-Hed: abarbaccia, let me know how it works out. I've never tried it...
[19:08:00] Rince: Hiho Beirdo :-)
[19:08:00] kormoc: Beirdo, for some reason, my myth doesn't detect that the partition it's recording onto gets full and it just sits there tring to write to it and getting errors
[19:08:00] Beirdo: heya, Rince
[19:08:00] Beirdo: how nice, kormoc
[19:08:00] Beirdo: should fix that
[19:08:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:08:00] kormoc: heh, yeah.
[19:09:00] Beirdo: I hit the "xfs hates full partitions" problem last week
[19:09:00] Beirdo: 397GB of 400GB used
[19:09:00] Beirdo: oooops
[19:10:00] Beirdo: I need to tweak the expiry to keep 20G or so free
[19:10:00] Rince: btw... is there a way that mythtv chekcs the free space of the hard drive where the recordings are stored so it won't get full?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: it does
[19:10:00] kormoc: yeah, what's even worst is it's a smb mount, so it floods the network when it does that as well
[19:10:00] Beirdo: and will expire stuff to make space
[19:10:00] Beirdo: smb?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[19:10:00] Beirdo: you are really asking for trouble
[19:10:00] Rince: *g*
[19:11:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, but until I get my new computer, it's all I can really do
[19:11:00] Beirdo: why?
[19:11:00] Beirdo: have to store on a 'blows box?
[19:11:00] kormoc: nah
[19:11:00] Beirdo: then you don't need smb
[19:11:00] Beirdo: NFSv3 or NFSv4
[19:12:00] Beirdo: I've been running flawlessly with NFSv3 for almost 2 years now
[19:12:00] kormoc: my server has the 200 gb drive, it can't use the tuner card, and my desktop can't hold the 200 gb drive, the case is too full with the other gobs of drives.
[19:12:00] Beirdo: and I push and pull a LOT to/from the fileserver
[19:12:00] kormoc: ooh? I've been told that smb was way more stable then nfs.
[19:12:00] Beirdo: whoever told you that is on crack
[19:12:00] kormoc: fair nuff.
[19:12:00] Beirdo: NFS has been around almost as long as we've been alive
[19:13:00] Beirdo: it's well known technology, and Microsoft-free in design too :)
[19:13:00] Beirdo: you need v3 or higher though or you can't deal with >= 2GB files
[19:13:00] ** kormoc nods. **
[19:13:00] Beirdo: it's been around THAT long :)
[19:13:00] kormoc: I shall need to look into it.
[19:14:00] Beirdo: some specific distros (FC3, I think it was, ask xris) had bad NFS server instances though
[19:14:00] Beirdo: but that's the distro makers being dumbasses
[19:15:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:15:00] kormoc: looks really simple to setup too
[19:15:00] kormoc: unlike samba...
[19:15:00] Beirdo: and that can happen to anything
[19:15:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:16:00] Beirdo: https://www2.beirdo.ca/cacti/graph.php?local_ . . . p;rra_id=all
[19:16:00] Beirdo: almost all of that traffic is NFS between barrel (the fileserver) and pint (the PVR)
[19:16:00] Beirdo: you can even see me watching TV before work
[19:16:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:16:00] gakalkag: gvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[19:17:00] gakalkag: sorry about that. my son is going to bed now
[19:18:00] dzentoo: do i have ton configure anything for my tvcard ?
[19:18:00] kormoc: dzentoo, yeah, a bunch of stuff in mythsetup
[19:18:00] dzentoo: except the options passed when loading the module
[19:18:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, nice. I think I'll have to give this a shot
[19:18:00] dzentoo: mh will see
[19:19:00] Beirdo: I can give you pointers as to mount options once you are ready, kormoc
[19:19:00] Beirdo: there are some performance tweaks
[19:19:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:20:00] Beirdo: it does work well though, and is very unix-aware as it was designed specifically for unix :)
[19:21:00] Beirdo: you may want to keep samba running for any windows clients though :)
[19:21:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:22:00] Beirdo: still got many many many shows to clean up
[19:22:00] Beirdo: sigh
[19:22:00] Beirdo: go away for a week, and look what happens
[19:22:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:22:00] kormoc: do I need NFS3 support for anything, you'd say?
[19:22:00] kormoc: hehe
[19:22:00] kormoc: yeah, I know the feeling
[19:22:00] Beirdo: yes, you need NFS3
[19:22:00] Beirdo: or 4
[19:23:00] Beirdo: I use 3
[19:23:00] Beirdo: and it wasn't even a whole week
[19:23:00] kormoc: any preticular reason to use one over the other?
[19:23:00] Beirdo: I was gone Friday – Tuesday
[19:23:00] Beirdo: NFSv4 adds more security, but it's a total rewrite of much of it IIRC
[19:23:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:24:00] kormoc: fair nuff. Any thoughts on NFS O_DIRECT?
[19:24:00] Beirdo: I was accustomed to v1 and v2, so v3 was an easy step without having to research much
[19:24:00] Beirdo: never looked into that one much
[19:25:00] Beirdo: time to update my zap2it
[19:26:00] dzentoo: Starting up as the master server.
[19:26:00] dzentoo: YEAH :p
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[19:28:00] Beirdo: OK, extended
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[19:29:00] abarbaccia: if i have a generated modeline – what section do i put it in the xorg file?
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[19:34:00] Led-Hed: under the monitor section I believe
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[19:49:00] abarbaccia: Led-Hed, okay, its still giving me issues with this modeline – offcenter still – gonna have to work on it some more later...
[19:49:00] abarbaccia: Led-Hed, i'll let you know how it turns out
[19:49:00] Led-Hed: abarbaccia, thanks...
[19:49:00] abarbaccia: i should really just buy a 27" LCD TV and be happy with DVI....
[19:49:00] Led-Hed: costly solution
[19:50:00] Led-Hed: but a nice one
[19:50:00] abarbaccia: indeed – maybe black friday will treat me good...
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[20:20:00] Chutt: ya know, it'd be really nice if people actually read my posts to the dev list.
[20:20:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone in particular ?:)
[20:21:00] GreyFoxx: the bit about how you planned to add a network layer for sqlite ?:)
[20:21:00] Chutt: yes
[20:21:00] Chutt: it seems to be rather ignored
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[21:13:00] Servo888: Ok before my battery runs dry – anybody know if an athlon xp 1600 will work for a mythtv backend and frontend when the ecoding is done via a hardare mpeg encoder.
[21:13:00] Servo888: It's about 1.4Ghz in speed afaik. Whoops I mean hardware*
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: It most certainly will
[21:14:00] Servo888: I'm not sure how much power the frontend takes up though.
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: the capture would be basically no CPU and playback not be an issue on that machine
[21:15:00] Servo888: Ok good to hear... Because I'm planning on purchasing a mobile xp cpu – in hopes of trying to keep my damn case quite. But I don't want to dish out the big bucks for anything faster than 1.4ghz (because after 1.4Ghz, the cost goes up by 35 dollars every 100mhz)
[21:16:00] rsdvd: are there any minimyth users here? I need some more help :-(
[21:17:00] Servo888: minimyth?
[21:17:00] Servo888: Ah mythtv for the via boards
[21:17:00] rsdvd: myth distro for EPIA
[21:17:00] Servo888: how cute =-).
[21:17:00] rsdvd: :-)
[21:17:00] Servo888: rsdvd, is it going to handle the frontend and backend?
[21:18:00] rsdvd: minimyth is frontend only
[21:19:00] Servo888: Ah ok – what kind of cpu power are you providing it?
[21:20:00] Servo888: crap I have to get to class... cheers all
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[21:24:00] otwin: rsdvd: i'm here
[21:24:00] rsdvd: Hiya otwin
[21:25:00] rsdvd: I worked out how to get colour from earlier......downgrade to compotite instead of svideo
[21:26:00] otwin: ah, so no config problem
[21:26:00] rsdvd: I guess it is a config problem stopping svideo.....but I am happy with composite for now
[21:26:00] rsdvd: I now have a problem with the DVD.......if I try 'optical drives – > play DVD' an error flashes up for a split second and thats it.
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[21:28:00] otwin: i don't use dvd for now – but i connected my drive once to test and IIRC i the same problem.
[21:28:00] rsdvd: oh
[21:29:00] rsdvd: arh welll......if I can work it out Iwill let you know so you can get your working when you get round to it
[21:29:00] otwin: but i didn't try to solve it at all – so i can't help you there
[21:29:00] otwin: thx
[21:31:00] rsdvd: does anyone else recognise this error "DriveReady SeekComplete Error"
[21:33:00] laga: sounds like a broken HDD to me
[21:34:00] Beirdo: dead or dying
[21:34:00] rsdvd: this drive worked perfectly fine in the server I just took it out of.....so I could make this new frontend. I cam also mount it fine from the command line......just get that messge in /var/log/messages when I use 'optical drives->play dvd'
[21:37:00] otwin: rsdvd: aah, now i remember a bit better what i was thinking: minimyth probably does not read encrypted dvds.
[21:38:00] rsdvd: if that was the problem I was expecting a more sesible message
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[21:39:00] rsdvd: i have read about loading libdvdcss.so.......using a minimyth.script......but I don't seem to have one of them
[21:39:00] gakalkag: what epia do u run minimyth on? i got a sp8000e and have som troubled with framedropping
[21:39:00] rsdvd: a M10000
[21:39:00] otwin: M10000
[21:39:00] gakalkag: can u run 720x576?
[21:40:00] rsdvd: I have not tried....I am the default (480 i think)
[21:40:00] otwin: minimyth.script is supposed to be in the same folder than minimyth.conf – it's for doing stuff right after boot, IIRC
[21:40:00] gakalkag: yes 480x480 works without framedropping, but i would like to incresae the quality
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[21:41:00] rsdvd: looking at my xorg.conf....I seem to be running 720x576Noscale
[21:42:00] rio: Hi, i am trying to get MythTV working on my Gentoo Linux system, but when i want to define Channels, the button for searching automatically cant be accessed. Whats wrong?
[21:42:00] rsdvd: rio : are you using DVB?
[21:42:00] rio: Yes, Terrestrial
[21:43:00] rsdvd: if you have DVB enabled and choose a DVB card then the 'scan for channels' gets enabled (well it does for me)
[21:43:00] rio: i have configured the card
[21:43:00] rsdvd: otwin : do you just create the minimyth.script...is there a special format to it?
[21:44:00] rio: rsdvd, what do you mean with "havinf DVB enabled"?
[21:44:00] rio: having..
[21:44:00] rsdvd: rio : when you compile myth....one of the configure options is --enable-dvb
[21:44:00] otwin: rsdvd: i don't have one, so i'm not sure about this, but i think it's just a bash script
[21:45:00] rsdvd: otwin : thanks.......I will just knock up a script and reboot.....see it it works
[21:45:00] rio: rsdvd, this one is enabled, and the card is configured in the setup, but the button is stuck
[21:46:00] gakalkag: the capture quality is default 480x480, but when i increase to 720x576 (with 4500kbps) i get framedropping.
[21:46:00] rsdvd: sorry...not to sure then. I had problems witht the button being greyed out when I have dvb disabled at compile time
[21:47:00] rio: but could you configure your DVB card when you compile it without the dvb flag?
[21:47:00] rsdvd: gakalkag.......i use a DVB card...so my data is already Mpeg2 and the right resolution
[21:47:00] rsdvd: rio : can;t remember....it was a while ago
[21:48:00] rio: rsdvd, so i'll just try emerging the packet again. thanks though
[21:48:00] rsdvd: ok
[21:49:00] gakalkag: my data is also mpeg2, but my epia sp cannot play it without dropping frames when the quality is 720x576
[21:49:00] rsdvd: sorry not suer why......I have only had my epia a couple of days.....still setting it up
[21:50:00] gakalkag: so u dont watching tv yet. ok
[21:51:00] rsdvd: I can watch TV ok.....no frame drops at all......not suer why you have more problems
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[22:42:00] rio: rsdvd, i recompiled the complete mythtv, the button is still disabled and i not able to run a channel scan
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[22:43:00] rsdvd: rio : you definatly have the card chosen as a DVB
[22:44:00] rio: yes, it is DVB :)
[22:44:00] rio: an it is shown correct as DVB-T device
[22:44:00] rio: everything's working in the card setup
[22:45:00] rsdvd: I have no idea then I am afraid'
[22:45:00] rio: hm
[22:46:00] rio: is there a way to use channels.conf generated by linuxtv-dvb-apps/scan?
[22:46:00] Krazylegz: FYI: Looks like KnoppMyth sets up logrotate for you.
[22:48:00] rsdvd: rio : the only way I know to tune your DVB card is via the scan for channels – you need to provide it some info like the trnsponder frequency etc
[22:49:00] rio: so i'm into a problem :\
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[22:50:00] rsdvd: thre must be someone else here who kows about DVB ?
[22:50:00] rio: with mplayer/kaffeine the device is working successfully
[22:51:00] rsdvd: I had similar problems getting the card to work under myth....but when it does it is fine.
[22:51:00] rsdvd: I found that removing all traces of the card setup and starting over helped
[22:51:00] rio: it would be also fine if mine works ;D
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[22:52:00] rsdvd: rio : where int he world are you?
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[22:52:00] rio: germany
[22:53:00] rsdvd: ok.......
[22:53:00] rio: hm.. why do you ask? :)
[22:53:00] rsdvd: just wondered if you were local to me......more curiosity than anything
[22:54:00] rio: :>
[22:54:00] ** Beirdo gives the finger to the computer **
[22:54:00] Beirdo: computers are such a joy
[22:55:00] rsdvd: when you select the card in mythtv-setup....does it fill in it's name for you? when you choose the right card it should let you the make
[22:55:00] rio: the name!?
[22:55:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:55:00] rsdvd: yes....Nova-T in my case
[22:55:00] kormoc: Hello, I am bob the tv tuner.
[22:55:00] rio: rsdvd, in my case its just "DST DVB-T"
[22:56:00] rio: but that should be enough?
[22:56:00] rio: hi bob.
[22:56:00] Beirdo: kormoc: you going all "clippy" on us?
[22:56:00] rsdvd: if it is manging to get the name – I guess it is recognising it is a DVB card
[22:57:00] kormoc: heh
[22:57:00] rio: its working, because when i change the permissions of the dvb device in /dev theres an error, and this way its recognising the card..
[22:58:00] rsdvd: i really don;t knwo then........ask Beirdo – he knows everything
[22:58:00] Beirdo: bah
[22:58:00] Beirdo: I know nothing about how to setup DVB
[22:58:00] rsdvd: :-)
[22:59:00] rsdvd: are there any devs in here who know what makes the 'scan channels' button enable?
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[23:06:00] rsdvd: does anyone recognise this error.....comming from minimyth "Error -3 while decompressing!"
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[23:09:00] ole_schoola: Compiled from SVN, 1st time. No problemos ... i think
[23:09:00] ole_schoola: time to go play with all the new toys <grin>
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[23:10:00] rio: this button makes me go crazy -_-
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[23:12:00] pmowry: Hi can anyone tell me if the SVN is in the middle of an update of code for live-tv, or is it relatively safe to load rev. 7670?
[23:13:00] rsdvd: rio : http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=30436
[23:14:00] pmowry: I do not want to bug the developers channel, but I saw Isaac added some files both before and after the compile I just did.
[23:15:00] Chutt: it's safe for now.
[23:16:00] pmowry: Thanks,
[23:16:00] Chutt: when it's unsafe, it'll be in the commit messages
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[23:17:00] pmowry: Good to know, thanks again.
[23:18:00] AndyCap: oh carp, http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004106.php
[23:19:00] rio: rsdvd, thanks but i think i already tried all what thei said in this thread
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[23:20:00] rio: an /dev/dvb is recursively set to 0777 : \
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[23:20:00] pmowry: To anyone interested, A soap plays on broadcast TV as a specific time each day, On another channel (SoapNet) it plays the same show as "Today's General Hospital" and then again after midnight as "Yesterday's General Hospital". Can the advanced schedule rules be used to choose between one of these 3 showings when there is an occasional conflict or is the situation to unique to be addressed?
[23:22:00] pmowry: I'm more than willing to work on setting it up myself, just wanted to ask someone familiar withit if it was even possible.
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[23:26:00] kormoc: pmowry, it's likly a unique thing, as they really should just call it general hospital and all that.
[23:29:00] pmowry: I figured it would not be do-able. Since I have three different show names, and at least 2 episode descriptions.
[23:30:00] pmowry: Besides soaps, can anyone think of another situation this would be required. Record show chan1:X-desc, conflict, record chan2:Y-desc2 or chan2:Z-dec2?
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