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    datetime:  2010-12-01 16:38:45 (UTC)
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[00:40:00] jemarcks: help. mythfrontend cant connect to mysql
[00:43:00] purplefrog: cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?
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[01:04:00] shushi2005: When I run mythtv-setup, in the console I get "Couldn't open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs." How do I fix this?
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[01:50:00] feld: hey guys got a question
[01:51:00] feld: where in the settings is the spot that lets u choose how far before and after a program Mythtv starts recording?
[01:51:00] feld: i cant find it, but i saw it the other day
[01:51:00] feld: nevermind; found it
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[02:16:00] linagee: shoot, it's good to keep mysql with the same database for a long period of time, right? that way it knows what programs you've seen before so it doesn't do duplicates?
[02:16:00] linagee: but what if everything starts to slow down because you've had that database for about a year?
[02:16:00] Dagmar: Hold on
[02:16:00] Dagmar: I know something that can help
[02:16:00] linagee: ??
[02:16:00] Beirdo: 1 year? I'm going on 2
[02:16:00] linagee: hrm
[02:16:00] Beirdo: it's not slowing down
[02:17:00] Dagmar: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/optimize_mythdb.pl.txt
[02:17:00] linagee: Beirdo: not sure if it's slowing down, it's just that recorded programs takes a while to come up
[02:17:00] Dagmar: Run that daily if you're worried about slack building up in your databases slowing things down.
[02:17:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[02:18:00] Dagmar: All it does is execute two commands on all of your myth tables to keep things tidy and recover from "unexpected shutdown accidents"
[02:18:00] linagee: might be from programs where files were deleted but not the database entry itself? it's trying to build thumbnails and failing?
[02:18:00] Beirdo: that would get logged
[02:18:00] linagee: hrm....
[02:18:00] ** linagee checks logs **
[02:18:00] Beirdo: assuming you are logging :)
[02:19:00] Krazylegz: I should turn off logging. I don't have the hard drive space for it.
[02:20:00] Dagmar: You're joking, right?
[02:21:00] linagee: Beirdo: lots of entries like this?
[02:21:00] linagee: 2005-10–24 22:05:43.586 Could not open /mnt/store//.png. 0 retries remaining.
[02:21:00] Beirdo: heh, that could be a problem
[02:22:00] linagee: Beirdo: hrm. is there a script that prunes the database if the file has already been deleted? (clicking delete on each entry is very slow)
[02:22:00] Beirdo: don't know of one
[02:23:00] linagee: Beirdo: i think those type of errors should bring up a prompt like, "XXX entries found where the database points to a file, but it doesn't exist, would you like to fix this? (y/n)"
[02:23:00] linagee: that way, it's not just going and doing dangerous things like deleting stuff from the database without asking
[02:24:00] Beirdo: have fun coding it :)
[02:25:00] linagee: Beirdo: is your office haunted?
[02:25:00] linagee: (slashdot)
[02:26:00] Krazylegz: Dagmar: No, I really need a bigger hard drive.
[02:26:00] Dagmar: Are you using a 2Gb drive or something?
[02:26:00] Dagmar: Logs just aren't that bug
[02:26:00] Dagmar: s/bug/big/
[02:27:00] Krazylegz: They get big if you leave them go.
[02:27:00] Beirdo: haunted? huh?
[02:27:00] Dagmar: How big are we talking?
[02:27:00] Krazylegz: Come to think of it, maybe they only get big if I run out of hard drive space....
[02:27:00] Dagmar: I have my syslog writing a line every *minute* and it's not really straining my 256Mb /var partition
[02:28:00] linagee: Dagmar: 100 gigabytes? (lol, j/k)
[02:28:00] Krazylegz: All of the logs on my system are only 1.8MB right now.
[02:28:00] Krazylegz: So, I must be mistaken.
[02:28:00] dev-: 1.21 jiggawattz!
[02:28:00] linagee: jiggywatts
[02:28:00] linagee: will smith style
[02:28:00] Krazylegz: Jiggawhats.
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[02:36:00] Dagmar: Okay, I'm not sure who mentioned it to me last night, but apparently they were correct. IVTV really does NOT like having the pre-emptive tasking stuff enabled in the kernel.
[02:36:00] Dagmar: Now that I took that out it's been recording all day (sometimes using both tuners) without a single reboot
[02:38:00] dev-: thats a good thing
[02:39:00] dev-: i think this is the longest ive had myth up, 40days for the backened and 40 days for the frontend
[02:39:00] dev-: no crashes, no reboots, no nothing. just solid working.
[02:39:00] dev-: would be longer if i didnt like to upgrade things :)
[02:39:00] linagee: is there a way to link lots of files in one shot?
[02:39:00] dev-: write a script?
[02:40:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, it helps to be too busy to upgrade things. Until someone breaks something old.
[02:41:00] linagee: dev-: hrm
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[02:42:00] linagee: dev-: i want to find many files with the same extension and link them and put those links into a directory. seems like a fairly common task. lol.
[02:42:00] linagee: dev-: it's so that way rsync will go easier
[02:43:00] dev-: this is where the road forks for you
[02:43:00] dev-: you either spend time symlinking them all manually
[02:44:00] dev-: or you learn bash scripting to simplify things like this
[02:44:00] dev-: personally, id start learning bash
[02:44:00] dev-: will come in handy going forward on linux :)
[02:44:00] linagee: dev-: i don't think i should have to even write a script per-say. i think maybe using find...
[02:44:00] Dagmar: Umm... find . -type f -name "*.mpg" -exec ln -s {} \;
[02:44:00] dev-: maybe
[02:44:00] Dagmar: er something like that
[02:44:00] linagee: yes! yes! like that. :-)
[02:44:00] ** linagee has a test dir. **
[02:45:00] linagee: Dagmar: .mpg? :-P
[02:45:00] dev-: bash for loops are very very useful
[02:45:00] linagee: heh
[02:45:00] Dagmar: Just an example
[02:45:00] linagee: dev-: hrm.
[02:45:00] Dagmar: If I had about 5 minutes (and cared) I could make a 5-liner that would survey all the extentions, make the directories, and populate them with symlinks
[02:45:00] linagee: Dagmar: eek
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[02:46:00] linagee: Dagmar: that would be hellacool. cronjob that for every five minutes or so. hahaha.
[02:46:00] bagadouch: can someone tell me the config file that holds the ip for he mythtv master backend? i can't seem to find it
[02:46:00] linagee: Dagmar: then you can even run it against your winblows box. lol.
[02:46:00] linagee: (ln would have to be symbolic)
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[02:48:00] linagee: Dagmar: hrm. how can i turn {} into an absolute path.......
[02:49:00] linagee: oh.
[02:49:00] linagee: just give it an absolute path instead of . heh
[02:49:00] linagee: find `pwd` -type f -name "*.mpg" -exec ln -s {} \;
[02:49:00] linagee: find `pwd` -type f -name "*.mpg" -exec ln -s {} mpegs\;
[02:49:00] linagee: errr
[02:49:00] linagee: find `pwd` -type f -name "*.mpg" -exec ln -s {} mpegs \;
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[02:50:00] Dagmar: You're gettin' there
[02:51:00] Dagmar: It's good for the brain to work through dumb bash problems
[02:51:00] linagee: that is awesome. :-)
[02:51:00] linagee: this will be so cool. :-)
[02:52:00] linagee: Dagmar: cronjob for this and cronjob for rsync. hehehehehe. :-)
[02:52:00] bagadouch: where do i set the ip for the master backened (not the db) without the mythtv-setup program? im changing this on an xbox
[02:52:00] linagee: Dagmar: means that anyplace someone puts a file with that extension, i can have it automagically replicated to another location.
[02:52:00] linagee: Dagmar: heck, i guess it might even be useful if you want to backup all, say, .doc files.
[02:52:00] linagee: on a shared directory so that way users don't hurt themselves
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: bagadouch: The only setting that is not stored in the MySQL database is the authentication info for mysql which is stored in a mysql.txt file
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: The IP for the masterbackend is stored in the database
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: Or are you asking how to set it in mysql without runnng the mythtv-setup app
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[02:59:00] stufine: which hd card to get oh which to get...
[02:59:00] stufine: isnt that like asking what color u like
[03:00:00] bagadouch: Grey: nevermind... the problem isnt that the ip is set wrong, its the the connection is timing out. looking into it now
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[03:00:00] poonj: hey guys...I'm having some weird databse problems
[03:01:00] poonj: when I try to start mythbackend, it says that mythtv@localhost can't connect
[03:02:00] Dagmar: So the database is running?
[03:02:00] poonj: yeah
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[03:02:00] poonj: but where does mythbackend look for the username/password?
[03:02:00] poonj: I have the permissions setup in mysql
[03:02:00] Dagmar: You changed it from mythtv/mythtv did you?
[03:02:00] poonj: I logged in through the console
[03:02:00] poonj: yeah
[03:02:00] Dagmar: Look for mysql.txt
[03:02:00] poonj: okay
[03:02:00] poonj: in my home directory?
[03:03:00] poonj: found it
[03:03:00] Ryushin: Wow. A lot of cool new stuff in 2.6.14.
[03:03:00] poonj: -/etc/mythtv!!!!
[03:05:00] bob832: this is probably a silly question but what format do we use in the U.S? PAL or NTSC?
[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: ntsc
[03:05:00] bob832: ok, thanks
[03:07:00] bagadouch: is there something special i have to do to allow a separate frontend box to conenct to the mythtv service on my backend? when my FE launches it complains of a timeout to backendmachine:6543
[03:07:00] bagadouch: no firewall is running
[03:08:00] bagadouch: bob : NTSC
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: bagadouch: Either the backend is not listening OR it's not listening on the external IP, check your msaterbackend IP ... set to 127.0.0.1 by chance ?
[03:10:00] bagadouch: mythtv-setup shows it as external..
[03:10:00] bagadouch: :/
[03:10:00] GreyFoxx: is the backend running ?
[03:10:00] bagadouch: yeah
[03:10:00] bagadouch: i can run mythfrontend from my backend machine
[03:10:00] GreyFoxx: from the backend what does "netstat -antu | grep 6543" show ?
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[03:12:00] bagadouch: hmm nothing
[03:12:00] bagadouch: im gonna boot this thing
[03:12:00] bagadouch: something isnt right
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[03:12:00] bagadouch: BE = fedora, FE = xbox
[03:15:00] linagee: xbox!
[03:16:00] bagadouch: ok... the netstat command you gave me returned 0.0.0.0:6543
[03:16:00] Dagmar: I don't much see the point of doing that on those unless you've managed to get yourself banned from live
[03:16:00] Dagmar: It's just not cost effectice
[03:16:00] bagadouch: you can switch it off
[03:16:00] Dagmar: s/tice/tive/
[03:16:00] bagadouch: i can play live if i switch my mod off
[03:18:00] bagadouch: i have xebian install on the gavesave partition
[03:18:00] bagadouch: it launches from teh evox daash
[03:18:00] bagadouch: if i switch the mod off it boots teh MS bios
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[03:37:00] Krazylegz: I cursed myself by checking my uptime. Box locked up when I went to MythMusic about 5 minutes after that.
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[03:53:00] kahuna_: Hi. Is there any known issue of 0.18.1 tuning to audio track 2 instead of track 1 by default?
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[03:54:00] kahuna_: Some of my recordings have the sap channel instead of primary audio because of this.
[03:57:00] dev-: i have never heard of that before.
[03:57:00] dev-: try catting the device and see if it does the same thing
[03:58:00] xon: My zap2it data is 5 hours ahead of schedule. The current time correctly appears in my window manager. I attempted to change the offset setting in mythtv-setup however changing the offset value manually didnt produce any results. Any ideas?
[04:00:00] kahuna_: dev-: Does not do it in VDR. It's a DVB card
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[04:05:00] Nothingman: hey, all
[04:05:00] Nothingman: *finally* got Myth working on my desktop last week
[04:05:00] Nothingman: so it's there
[04:06:00] Nothingman: it's not a powerful machine, so I'm only going to be able to use it for recording
[04:06:00] Nothingman: but I can't seem to get it to schedule
[04:07:00] Nothingman: I've clicked on a show I want, set the recording settings, deliberately moved to "Save these settings" and the show did not show up in my list of recordings to be, and it didn't in fact record
[04:08:00] Nothingman: so what might I be doing wrongly?
[04:08:00] dev-: no clue :)
[04:09:00] Dagmar: You're hitting ESC after you've highlighted "Save these settings"
[04:10:00] dev-: my girlfriend can schedule recordings just fine, im sure its user-error of some sort :P
[04:10:00] Krazylegz: Hmm. I will have to setup DNS for the roommate and girls so that they don't have to enter the IP address to get to MythWeb.
[04:11:00] dev-: helpful ;]
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[04:11:00] Agrajag-: Krazylegz: if you dont want to go to the bother of doing that, adding a hosts entry should work fine
[04:12:00] dev-: hopefully thats what he meant
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: unless he's making it externally reachable as well :)
[04:13:00] Krazylegz: Agrajag-: Then I have to do it for every computer in the house.
[04:13:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, well, I can do forwarding for people coming from the outside.
[04:14:00] difeta: hi all! mythbackend wont seem to load on start. The log says that Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES), which doesnt make sence. I can manualyy start the service just fine.
[04:14:00] difeta: any ideas?
[04:14:00] Krazylegz: Not a bad time to setup htpasswd there too.
[04:14:00] dev-: i think you should give everyone on the outside access to your mythweb
[04:14:00] dev-: starting with me
[04:14:00] dev-: i wont touch anyway... promise.... :)
[04:14:00] dev-: er, anything
[04:14:00] ** Krazylegz puts his Mythbox's life in dev's hands **
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: difeta: odds are you don't have your mysql.txt setup correctly and the user launching it at boot (likely root) doesn't have the proper auth info setup, but when you run it manually (likely as a user) the info is setup
[04:17:00] difeta: GreyFoxx, yep. that was it. Thanks
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[04:25:00] Nothingman: Dagmar, I've already said I hit enter at "Save these settings":
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[04:29:00] Nothingman: and now silence
[04:30:00] dev-: silence because noone really has anything to say
[04:30:00] dev-: have you tried simple troubleshooting steps, like verbose logging on mythfrontend?
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[04:34:00] SqWaw: What version of mysql is supported?
[04:34:00] SqWaw: because I emerged the latest version of mysql that gentoo's portage had listed and mythtv stop working correctly with everything mysql related.
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: SqWaw: 3.23x 4.0x 4.1x,
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: I know there are some issues with some of the queries and 5.0
[04:36:00] GreyFoxx: But odds are the majority of any problems you are having is that you will need to rebuilt QT against the new version of MySQL
[04:37:00] SqWaw: I already tried the qt rebuild
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[04:37:00] SqWaw: i have mysql use flags
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[04:38:00] SqWaw: So... 4.1.15-r30
[04:38:00] SqWaw: that works "fine" ?
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: can't say about that specific revision, but lots of people use 4.1.x
[04:38:00] SqWaw: okay
[04:39:00] GreyFoxx: I use 4.0.x, haven't looked at 4.1 or 5
[04:39:00] dev-: same
[04:39:00] dev-: 'if it aint broke dont fix it'
[04:39:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
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[04:39:00] SqWaw: heh
[04:39:00] SqWaw: I'm going to try 4.1.15
[04:40:00] dev-: as opposed to 4.1.15-r30? thats little difference heh
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[04:43:00] SqWaw: ;)
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[04:54:00] Nothingman: no matter how I select a program to record, it doesn't show up in my "Upcoming" recordings
[04:54:00] Krazylegz: Nothingman: Time to dive into MySQL.
[04:55:00] Nothingman: well, why wouldn't it be working by the gui?
[04:55:00] Nothingman: I know SQL syntax (a bit)
[04:55:00] Nothingman: but why would it not give an error if it's not going to record?
[04:56:00] Krazylegz: No idea.
[04:56:00] Krazylegz: Just saying that I'd check to see if it actually maybe is saving the settings.
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[04:57:00] Krazylegz: Just isn't displaying them properly for some weird reason.
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[05:25:00] prologic: How come I get rather bad flickering at the top when watching tv ?
[05:25:00] prologic: about 40–50 pixels high across the whole screen
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[05:33:00] JoshTriplett: I found out the cause of my periodic system hangs. I left a couple of terminals logged in running htop and dstat, and suddenly noticed that both stopped updating. They were still responsive, and after exiting dstat I ran it again, and it showed one sample but never updated. I then ran "date" several times, and noticed that time was basically "stopped", wavering between HH:MM:53 and HH:MM:54 for some time HH:MM.
[05:34:00] Dagmar: ouch
[05:35:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: So obviously anything which called "sleep
[05:35:00] JoshTriplett: " was dead in the water.
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[05:35:00] JoshTriplett: Including Myth.
[05:35:00] Dagmar: ACPI/preemptiveness in the kernel was definitely killing IVTV
[05:35:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Ah, so it is stable now?
[05:35:00] Dagmar: Yep.
[05:35:00] Dagmar: It's been recording all day.
[05:36:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Awesome.
[05:36:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Glad to hear it.
[05:36:00] Dagmar: Literally. Sometimes on both tuners.
[05:36:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: MythTV rocks.
[05:37:00] JoshTriplett: Any idea what could cause time to stop? Losing interrupts, maybe?
[05:37:00] Dagmar: xntpd?
[05:37:00] Dagmar: You *could* have something nudging your clock improperly trying to keep it in synch
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[05:38:00] JoshTriplett: I'm running ntpd as of recently, but I was getting these hangs before I started running ntpd.
[05:38:00] Dagmar: It's possible that your hardware clock is failing, but the machine runs off the software clock
[05:38:00] JoshTriplett: Unfortunately I didn't get a look at the logs, since "less /var/log/syslog" apparently involves a sleep.
[05:39:00] Urgo: now that the clocks have changed again on the east coast I'm having the same time problem again.. what is the propper /etc/localtime setting & xmltv offset supposed to be? or anything else that is related to this?
[05:39:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: The machine is brand new.
[05:39:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: My machine seemed to handle the time change just fine.
[05:39:00] Urgo: JoshTriplett: I had tricked it into working this last time by setting my timezone to America/Virgin
[05:39:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: I got up this morning and the time had updated, and the guide was accurate.
[05:40:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: Where are you actually located?
[05:40:00] Dagmar: Urgo: Are you storing time in UTC or your local timezone?
[05:40:00] Urgo: JoshTriplett: which now is an hour off.. Its SUPPOSED to be EST5EDT as far as I know
[05:40:00] ** Urgo is in Virginia **
[05:40:00] Dagmar: Urgo: Type `TZ=UTC date`
[05:40:00] Dagmar: You should be able to figure it out from there.
[05:41:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: Try just using US/Eastern.
[05:41:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: I use US/Pacific and that worked fine here.
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[05:41:00] Urgo: JoshTriplett: trying the US/Eastern one now
[05:42:00] Urgo: Dagmar: type that where?
[05:42:00] Dagmar: INto a terminal, dude
[05:42:00] JoshTriplett: Urgo: And as Dagmar pointed out, check that you are storing your system time in UTC; the kernel should be handling time offsets.
[05:42:00] Urgo: # TZ=UTC date
[05:42:00] Urgo: Mon Oct 31 04:42:29 UTC 2005
[05:42:00] Dagmar: Then you'll know the offset.
[05:42:00] Urgo: which is exactly what I expected. 5 hour diff
[05:42:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: Well, Myth does have that poorly thought out setting for offsetting the guide information
[05:43:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Which should just be ignored in favor of correctly using system time, IMO.
[05:43:00] Urgo: it looks like the times are 2 hours off currently in the guide
[05:43:00] Urgo: comparing my gude vs zap2it's website
[05:43:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: Your opinion would be the correct one.
[05:44:00] Dagmar: We've got glibc(). Ther'es no real excuse for having to set that manually.
[05:48:00] Urgo: sorry, 1 hour off I mean
[05:49:00] Urgo: myth is one hour early
[05:49:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Well, I opened 10 ssh connections to the box, so if it happens again, I have 10 chances to think of useful commands to investigate that won't sleep().
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[05:49:00] JoshTriplett: :)
[05:49:00] mishehu: that could be a problem with qt.
[05:49:00] mishehu: the 1 hour off
[05:50:00] Urgo: if I recall correctly, there are two time settings in mythtv's config. I've only been able to locate one of them today though, the one in mythsetup. Know where that other one is offhand anyone?
[05:50:00] Urgo: that might be whats screwing me up
[05:51:00] feld: JoshTriplett: 10 SSH sessions? are you kidding me?
[05:51:00] feld: what a waste
[05:51:00] feld: why not one ssh + screen?
[05:52:00] mishehu: screen is your friend
[05:52:00] JoshTriplett: feld: Because the moment I run anything which sleeps, that session hangs hard, and job control doesn't work.
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[05:52:00] JoshTriplett: feld: Not having encountered this problem before, I don't want to introduce a new variable, since I don't know if screen will keep working.
[05:53:00] JoshTriplett: feld: I already know that an ssh session will.
[05:53:00] JoshTriplett: feld: But yes, normally I wouldn't open more than one ssh connection to the same machine. :)
[05:53:00] JoshTriplett: feld: And screen rocks; I'm using it right now.
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[05:57:00] feld: JoshTriplett: rgr, i suppose
[05:58:00] feld: u bother trying different kernels?
[05:58:00] JoshTriplett: feld: "rgr"?
[05:59:00] JoshTriplett: feld: I haven't tried different kernels yet; I'm running 2.6.12 with ivtv 0.4.0 at the moment.
[05:59:00] feld: roger
[05:59:00] feld: i'm a gamer... i use roger too much
[05:59:00] JoshTriplett: feld: I just diagnosed the time-stopping problem a few minutes ago. :)
[05:59:00] feld: i run 2.6.13 w/ latest ivtv
[05:59:00] Dagmar: Eh? You figured it out?
[06:00:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: No, I just mean that I diagnosed that the root symptom was that time was stopping.
[06:01:00] Dagmar: Oh okay
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[06:07:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I'm googling for answers, but unfortunately "time stops", "cause time to stop", clock stop, etc, all lead to a lot of extraneous results.
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[06:17:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: You could *try* adding the word "problem" to your query
[06:18:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Worth a try.
[06:18:00] JoshTriplett: I've tried adding "sleep" and "hang" in various combinations already.
[06:19:00] JoshTriplett: Google is like one of the old ambivalent genies: it gives you exactly what you want, but you have to ask carefully. :)
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[06:24:00] feld: anyone here figure out closed captioning on mythtv?
[06:24:00] feld: i'm interested to any info u guys can give me
[06:24:00] feld: all my searches end up in old mailing lists, etc
[06:24:00] Dagmar: It comes over vbi, and if you can't read from vbi you don't get any is all I know
[06:25:00] JoshTriplett: AFAIK, vbi works fine at the moment; the issue is getting MythTV to understand IVTV's vbi.
[06:25:00] Dagmar: Ah, I wondered if maybe the PVR-500 didn't do it
[06:26:00] feld: Dagmar: where would i go about setting this up?
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[06:26:00] feld: or trying to make this work?
[06:26:00] feld: has anyone MADE it work with ivtv?
[06:26:00] Dagmar: If it was going to work, it would already.
[06:26:00] JoshTriplett: feld: There's an option in ivtvctl to embed vbi in the mpeg stream.
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[06:27:00] JoshTriplett: feld: If you want to make it work, teach MythTV to understand ivtv's embedded vbi streams. People have worked on that in the past; check the list archives.
[06:27:00] feld: how do i check to see if its working? is it an option while watching live tv? or should u use my TV's CC options?
[06:27:00] JoshTriplett: feld: That's another option, BTW: if you enable "vbi passthrough", and pass the same mpeg back to a PVR-350, your TV can use the CC.
[06:28:00] feld: i dont have a 350
[06:28:00] feld: dont need one
[06:28:00] feld: i will be getting a second 250 though
[06:29:00] feld: anyone here run CVS of Mythtv? if so, what are the current advantages? what has CVS got that the lastest release doesnt?
[06:30:00] fooker: Is there a way to import the tvtime channel listings or even the TV.xml file from freevo into mythtv?
[06:31:00] feld: fooker: why would you need to do that?
[06:31:00] feld: cant u just get the latest through mythtv?
[06:31:00] fooker: feld: Because the channel list it downloaded is mucked up
[06:32:00] Dagmar: You're in North America so you're using DataDirect and Zap2it, right?
[06:32:00] fooker: Yep
[06:32:00] feld: intetesting.... but i have no solution there.
[06:32:00] Dagmar: Then login to your Zap2it account on their site and fix it there.
[06:32:00] fooker: freevo was able to use Zap2it just fine, so i doubt its that
[06:32:00] Dagmar: fooker: *Check* it.
[06:33:00] fooker: A few channels don't appear (just static), and everything is one off....
[06:33:00] Dagmar: Assumptions will kill your troubleshooting attempts time and time again
[06:33:00] Dagmar: That's got nothing to do with DataDirect then.
[06:33:00] Dagmar: It's the frequency table you need to set correctly.
[06:33:00] fooker: Whats their website again?
[06:33:00] fooker: Where would I find that?
[06:34:00] JoshTriplett: fooker: labs.zap2it.com
[06:34:00] Dagmar: You set the frequency table in mythtv-setup
[06:35:00] fooker: In the channel setup bit?
[06:35:00] fooker: Meaning I have to manually change every channel....
[06:35:00] Dagmar: In the same place you put in your Zap2it login information
[06:35:00] feld: do i have to restart mysql to let me connect to the backend with another frontend? can more than one frontend connect to a backend? (might b my problem)
[06:36:00] Dagmar: More than one should be able to
[06:36:00] Dagmar: Whether or not hte backend is listening for network connections would be the thing to look into
[06:36:00] feld: i gave the database permissions as per the guide to let my whole subent connect to the database
[06:37:00] feld: but i cant connect
[06:37:00] feld: i'm guessing its either not listening or needs to be restarted?
[06:37:00] Dagmar: The database != the backend
[06:37:00] feld: yeah
[06:37:00] feld: err
[06:37:00] feld: eh?
[06:37:00] feld: oh hrmph
[06:38:00] feld: i think i misinterpreted the situation
[06:38:00] feld: ;)
[06:38:00] Dagmar: ...although I still haven't had time to look into whether the frontend only talks to the backend or the mysql server, or both
[06:38:00] Dagmar: I can't really see the backend allowing connections from just everywhere tho
[06:39:00] feld: yeah true
[06:41:00] feld: well hrm
[06:41:00] feld: i only want the frontend on MY pc
[06:41:00] feld: so i can modify mythtv stuff and maybe watch tv while the mythtv box is also running a backend and frontend on my tv
[06:42:00] feld: how do i do that? i gave the mythtv box the stuff to open permissions
[06:42:00] feld: now do i set my database in my mythtv setup to be THAT box?
[06:43:00] JoshTriplett: feld: One strange thing: if the master backend IP is given as 127.0.0.1, it won't allow connections from elsewhere. Stop the backend, run mythtv-setup, and set the master backend IP to your myth box's IP.
[06:43:00] feld: haha! really?
[06:43:00] feld: aight i'll do that real quick
[06:44:00] Dagmar: I wouldn't call it strange.
[06:44:00] Dagmar: I'm a little suprised 0.0.0.0 won't do what it should, or have you not tried that?
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[06:46:00] feld: 2005-10–30 23:47:40.495 Unable to connect to database!
[06:46:00] feld: 2005-10–30 23:47:40.495 Driver error was [1/2003]:
[06:46:00] feld: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[06:46:00] feld: Database error was:
[06:46:00] feld: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mythtv' (111)
[06:47:00] feld: i have mysql open and the mythtv master backend ip changed and the other ip on that screen changed to the ip of the box
[06:47:00] feld: i restarted the backend and mysql
[06:47:00] feld: still cannot connect, no firewall on the box
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[06:49:00] feld: wait theres a mysql conf file that might fix this...
[06:49:00] Dagmar: You probably have networking turned *off* for mysql.
[06:49:00] Dagmar: netstat -tunap | grep sql
[06:49:00] fooker: Does anyone know a way to just record a channel or from RCA jacks on a card using a simple, CLI program? No playback, no nothing but recording.
[06:49:00] Dagmar: If you see nothing, it's not listening for IP datagrams at all.
[06:49:00] fooker: mythtv is just overkill for me
[06:49:00] fooker: atm
[06:50:00] dev-: fooker: cat
[06:50:00] dev-: hehe
[06:50:00] dev-: cat /dev/video0 > output.mpg
[06:50:00] Dagmar: If you have a hardware-accellerated encoder, just set the tuner with the perl script that came with ivtv and then cat /dev/vide0 to a file
[06:50:00] dev-: oh my bad, steppin in on this
[06:50:00] ** dev- retreats **
[06:50:00] dev-: hehe
[06:50:00] fooker: I don't have itv....
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[06:51:00] fooker: Although setting the channel is no problem
[06:51:00] feld: ok solved. nm heh
[06:52:00] fooker: cat: /dev/v4l/video0: Invalid argument
[06:52:00] feld: Dagmar: no the problem was that mysql wasa binding to localhost
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[06:52:00] fooker: Well, not really solved :)
[06:53:00] fooker: nm :)
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[06:57:00] feld: allRIGHT
[06:58:00] feld: livetv + recorded show on another screen at same time runs perfect
[07:03:00] claimjump: hm, is it possible to put live TV in a picture-in-picture while watching a recording?
[07:03:00] Dagmar: Should be
[07:03:00] feld: claimjump: yes with 3 inputs to your mythtv box
[07:04:00] feld: one to record, one to show one tv, one for the picture in picture
[07:04:00] claimjump: feld: i'm talking about watching a prerecorded recording, so that the only active input is live tv
[07:04:00] feld: u mean watch picture in picture of recordings?
[07:05:00] feld: there shouldnt be any problems there. how to do it — i dont know.
[07:05:00] claimjump: feld: yeah. Looks like it doesn't work, at least with the regular keyboard commands.
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[07:06:00] feld: i dont know the keyboard commands so actually i'm a bit lost atm
[07:06:00] feld: lol
[07:06:00] claimjump: docs say 'v' :)
[07:11:00] feld: what needs to be done to make mplayer work with the remote so i can control vids and dvds in mythfrontend?
[07:11:00] feld: i have no control with the remote at all, unfortunately
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[07:16:00] SlicerDicer-: hey feld
[07:16:00] SlicerDicer-: get your mysql issues sorted?
[07:16:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, you got to do /home/mythuser/.lircrc IIRC and set it up to control mplayer
[07:17:00] Dagmar: Ah-HA
[07:17:00] SlicerDicer-: let me double check
[07:17:00] Dagmar: Finally found out how to use the DSP effects on the emu10k1
[07:19:00] JoshTriplett: feld: I would suggest using totem, xine, or videolan, rather than mplayer.
[07:19:00] JoshTriplett: feld: Menu support is nice.
[07:19:00] JoshTriplett: feld: And mplayer's "guess the main title" mechanism fails when you have a DVD with multiple main titles, such as series DVD sets with multiple episodes per disc.
[07:19:00] brikus: How do you do that, Dagmar. My second front end has an emu10k1 in it
[07:20:00] Dagmar: You need to get the alsa-tools package and look in the as10k1 directory
[07:20:00] Dagmar: Basically that's an assembler tool so you can create the patches and then push them into the card
[07:20:00] brikus: Sounds easy enough. Anything to look out for?
[07:21:00] JoshTriplett: fooker: If you're interested in something extremely lightweight, you might try vdr.
[07:22:00] brikus: Anyone here using an nForce motherboard with on board sound in Myth?
[07:24:00] Dagmar: brikus: Crazy feedback loops that will make your speakers howl
[07:24:00] Dagmar: did you ever use the filter control for the SBLive in Windows 98?
[07:25:00] brikus: And also, I'm using a PVR-350 for output with an Athlon 2800+ and 1gb of RAM. Shouldn't DVD run smoothly?
[07:25:00] brikus: Not that I can remember
[07:25:00] Dagmar: there was a filter called "Kidnapper" that was literally the classic "bring ten million dollars to the docks at midnight" effect.
[07:25:00] brikus: harsh
[07:25:00] Dagmar: They removed it after 911 for semi-obvious and somewhat pathetic reasons, but Iv'e got one of the old driver CDs. I'm going to resurrect it for my entertainment.
[07:26:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: What version of ivtvdev?
[07:27:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: And what version of ivtv?
[07:32:00] brikus: 0.4.0 of ivtv
[07:33:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: And ivtvdev?
[07:33:00] brikus: 10.6
[07:38:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Alright. And are you using Xv or the MP2 decoder on the card?
[07:38:00] JoshTriplett: I suggest using Xv.
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[07:54:00] Atamido: brikus: I am running an nForce2 with onboard Dolby Digital encoding, but I am guessing that is not quite what you are doing?
[07:56:00] brikus: Uh, nForce2 has onboard DD? I'm using the i8x0 (ish?) driver to ALSA
[07:57:00] brikus: JoshTriplett: Sorry, stepped away. You mean -vo xv, no?
[07:59:00] brikus: JoshTriplett: And also, I looked at it again and it's almost like the video is going too FAST, not too slow, but that could just be my perception
[08:00:00] rothgar_: anyone in here have a pvr-500mce? I am not sure how to load the ivtv drivers for it when using knoppmyth
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[08:04:00] Dagmar: Would anyone here just happen to have the ASRock 939dual-sata2 board?
[08:05:00] brikus: No, but I was looking at that card on New Egg
[08:06:00] SlicerDicer-: card?
[08:06:00] SlicerDicer-: thats a motherboard lol
[08:06:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry to be the smartass
[08:06:00] brikus: Card, board, potatoe, potahto
[08:07:00] SlicerDicer-: motherboard is much differnet than a card :)
[08:07:00] SlicerDicer-: much much much differnet :)
[08:07:00] Dagmar: I just ordered one.
[08:07:00] SlicerDicer-: Dagmar, never heard of ASRock before
[08:07:00] Dagmar: I'm trying to find out if it supports bios boot splash screens or will I have to frankenstein it into the BIOS
[08:08:00] Dagmar: SlicerDicer-: They're a daughter company of ASUS
[08:08:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[08:08:00] brikus: I actually thought it was a SATA controllor card, must have been something different
[08:08:00] SlicerDicer-: I thought it sounded like anus boards to some degree
[08:08:00] SlicerDicer-: err scuse me asus
[08:08:00] SlicerDicer-: damn typos *grin*
[08:10:00] SlicerDicer-: Dagmar, lets hope that 939 is not going to a backend :)
[08:10:00] Dagmar: No, the 939 is going to be my new desktop
[08:10:00] SlicerDicer-: well unless you plan on encoding nonstop everyday 24/7 haha
[08:10:00] Dagmar: My backend/frontend is what I'm currently using as a desktop
[08:10:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh cool what cpu?
[08:10:00] Dagmar: MSI-6712, Athlon Pro1800+, 768Mb of RAM
[08:11:00] Dagmar: Since I figured out how pretty much every board I own sports a boot splash screen now
[08:11:00] SlicerDicer-: that is SDRAM board aint it?
[08:11:00] Dagmar: Eh? Yeah. It's got PC2700 in it
[08:11:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh thats not the PC150 board that I usto have
[08:12:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry was thinking it was the board I had the MSI one to have a CPU that old the 1800+ came out at the same time I got that MSI board :)
[08:12:00] Dagmar: Nah, it's the KT4VL model
[08:12:00] SlicerDicer-: it was a sweet board at the time
[08:12:00] Dagmar: This board is *nice*, but I foolishly overshot when I put a Gigabyte 6600TF card in it.
[08:12:00] Dagmar: It's CPU-bound as all hell when playing games
[08:12:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[08:12:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I hear ya
[08:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I remember when I slammed the Geforce 4 TI in my 1.4ghz AMD with AGP4 and pc150 ram it ran like hell
[08:13:00] SlicerDicer-: once I upgraded it ran much smoother
[08:16:00] Dagmar: Hopefully there will still be an emergency BIOS restore function in this mainboard.
[08:17:00] Dagmar: It's always pretty dodgy *adding* boot splash support to a BIOS that doesn't come with it already.
[08:17:00] Dagmar: ...and the tools I have for haxoring up AMI BIOS images make me a little nervous
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[08:31:00] JoeyJoeJo: I've been having some awful troubles with mythfrontend.. I keep getting these errors.. 2005-10–31 02:12:20.955 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... 2005-10–31 02:12:24.889 Unable to connect to database! 2005-10–31 02:12:24.890 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... 2005-10–31 02:12:24.890 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
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[08:32:00] JoeyJoeJo: someone suggested that I install something called libmysql-qt, but I couldn't find it on google
[08:42:00] mchou: sigh....
[08:42:00] mchou: try libqt-mysql
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[08:52:00] JoeyJoeJo: do you know where I can find a download of libqt-mysql? I didn't find it in portage, and I can't find a download of it at google
[08:55:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Check your USE flags for qt. emerge -pv qt
[08:55:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Look for -mysql.
[08:56:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: If that's so, set the mysql USE flag, then do a "emerge -pNuDv world".
[08:57:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Hello?
[08:59:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: I need to access the database for a frontend on a different box. I have tried the methods listed on some websites and still can't seem to access mysql.
[09:00:00] NightMonkey: Pandemic-SuperVa: Did you set Mysql to use the network, rather than just a socket?
[09:00:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: no, how would I do that ?
[09:00:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: I autoinstalled using knoppmyth.
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[09:01:00] JoeyJoeJo: sorry, I was away nightmonkey... I'll try what you suggested
[09:01:00] NightMonkey: Pandemic-SuperVa: In my.cnf, comment "bind-address = 127.0.0.1".
[09:02:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Be prepared to compile a bunch of stuffs.
[09:03:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: bind-address doesn't seem to exist
[09:03:00] Dagmar: I *think* that uses --skip-networking to start the server, but I'm not sure
[09:03:00] NightMonkey: Dagmar: Ah.
[09:03:00] Dagmar: Make sure the phrase "skip-networking" doesn't appear in your conf file
[09:05:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: Ok, I need to reload mysql and I've forgot how to :[
[09:05:00] NightMonkey: Dunno for Knoppmyth.
[09:05:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: not gonna kill it
[09:07:00] JoeyJoeJo: NightMonkey: is it supposed to say +mysql when I do emerge -pv qt?
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[09:08:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Yes. Does it?
[09:08:00] JoeyJoeJo: yup
[09:08:00] JoeyJoeJo: I'm recompiling now
[09:08:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Hmm... That's odd.
[09:09:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: I got another question, it's a linux based, not quite so myth. X worked before the weekend, nothing changed and now it won't run. Checked log and it says that no screens found. It tries to probe my geforce 3 and it can't find it.
[09:09:00] JoeyJoeJo: the odd thing is mysql wasn't in my use flags, so I added it and started the compile
[09:10:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: But, it was showing set before you changed it?
[09:11:00] JoeyJoeJo: well, I did emerge -pv qt before I added mysql to my use flags, and it came back as +mysql.. so I added mysql to my use flags, did emerge -pv qt again, and it was still +mysql
[09:12:00] JoeyJoeJo: do you know what that command is to find out how long it took to compile a certain package?
[09:12:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Well, qt, with that flag set, provides that mysql client library... so, perhaps your problem is elsewhere?
[09:12:00] Dagmar: time
[09:12:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: genlop -t <package name>
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[09:13:00] JoeyJoeJo: thanks
[09:14:00] mchou: haha!! this has to be the funniest! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/28/bluetooth_device/
[09:14:00] JoeyJoeJo: I'm not sure where this problem is.. it's got me stumped
[09:14:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: What is the error you are getting?
[09:14:00] mchou: some ppl are going to have outrageous SMS bills :)
[09:15:00] JoeyJoeJo: 2005-10–31 03:15:06.107 Unable to connect to database!
[09:15:00] JoeyJoeJo: 2005-10–31 03:15:06.107 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[09:15:00] JoeyJoeJo: 2005-10–31 03:15:06.107 Database not open while trying to load setting: HideMouseCursor
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: hey mchou http://www.nasa.gov/mpeg/136417main_hurricane . . . 320x240.mpeg check that out
[09:15:00] JoeyJoeJo: a bunch of those
[09:15:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Well, if you built mysql after qt, the re-compile might be necessary anyway.
[09:15:00] SlicerDicer-: pretty impressive what nasa put together
[09:16:00] JoeyJoeJo: I did an emerge world a while ago that might be the source of the problem. I think mysql was upgraded to 5.0, so you are probably correct
[09:16:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: that's not impressive at all
[09:16:00] SlicerDicer-: why not?
[09:16:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Up to now, you have to recompile qt after upgrading mysql. You also might try revdep-rebuild -p to see what dependencies need updating.
[09:16:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Oh, I dunno if MythTV works with 5.0?
[09:16:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: geo-synchronous spy satellite over Cuba :)
[09:17:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, ROFL!!!
[09:17:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I'm not joking :)
[09:17:00] JoeyJoeJo: well, if the recompile doesnt work, I'll try downgrading
[09:17:00] SlicerDicer-: Dude I think the NOAA satellites took the pictures :)
[09:17:00] SlicerDicer-: they cover the entire atlantic and north america etc
[09:17:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: Yeah, I've pinned mysql at 4.0.X.
[09:18:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: think the SMS Toy is gonna fly?
[09:18:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: It *should* work with 4.1.X, too, tho.
[09:18:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, sms?
[09:18:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: my reg linky
[09:19:00] JoeyJoeJo: ok
[09:19:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/28/bluetooth_device/
[09:19:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: However, 4.0 -> 4.1 is not an automatic update – you have to do some post-install conversions.
[09:20:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: But, if you started with 4.1, and didn't upgrade the DB to 5.0, you should be fine.
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[09:20:00] NightMonkey: brb
[09:20:00] dcstimm: wow its been over 6 months since a release! go mythtv!
[09:21:00] SlicerDicer-: looking mchou
[09:21:00] SlicerDicer-: LOL wtf mchou
[09:22:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, I hope a release comes out soon
[09:22:00] dcstimm: JoeyJoeJo, lets just hope it has a gui as nice as Front ROw
[09:23:00] mchou: Front row? what's that?
[09:23:00] dcstimm: and it doesnt break the database from 18.1
[09:23:00] dcstimm: mchou, Apples new media center software
[09:23:00] mchou: dcstimm: oh, that pos.....
[09:23:00] dcstimm: http://images.apple.com/imac/tour/videos/frontrow.mov
[09:24:00] dcstimm: mchou, amazing software
[09:24:00] mchou: dcstimm: lots of ppl disappointed w/it
[09:24:00] dcstimm: well mostly because its not hooked to a tv tuner
[09:24:00] mchou: well duh.....
[09:25:00] dcstimm: but if we could use what it did well with mythtv it would be a perfect product
[09:25:00] JoeyJoeJo: dude, that front row looks awesome
[09:25:00] mchou: even the well connected in silicon valley complain about it's shortcomings
[09:25:00] dcstimm: mchou, like?
[09:25:00] dcstimm: mchou, anyone who as used it says its fast, and almost perfect at what it does
[09:26:00] mchou: like how you need inet connection all the time
[09:26:00] dcstimm: for trailers
[09:27:00] mchou: bah, I'll be damned if I have to pay to watch trailers
[09:27:00] dcstimm: it uses the power of macosx
[09:27:00] dcstimm: mchou, pay?
[09:27:00] dcstimm: whatcha talking about?
[09:27:00] mchou: considering I havent gone to the theatre more than 2x in the last year.
[09:28:00] JoeyJoeJo: what would be nice is if front row could connect to mythbackend
[09:28:00] mchou: dcstimm: pay for the "platform" to watch a trailer
[09:28:00] dcstimm: JoeyJoeJo, people are working on that
[09:28:00] dcstimm: mchou, go to quicktime.com/trailers
[09:28:00] JoeyJoeJo: its open source then I guess?
[09:28:00] dcstimm: free
[09:29:00] dcstimm: JoeyJoeJo, no they are creating a way to make it see the nuv files on your mythtv server
[09:29:00] mchou: dcstimm: the site is free, but the platform is not
[09:29:00] dcstimm: so it can read them when you go to tv shows
[09:29:00] dcstimm: mchou, neither is windows or macosx
[09:30:00] mchou: dcstimm: right. But why should I pay a "premium" to watch trailers?
[09:30:00] dcstimm: and if your going to be using frontrow, you are using an imac, which you bought and it came with it for free, or you downloaded it for free off a torrent site
[09:30:00] dcstimm: mchou, you dont have to
[09:30:00] mchou: the movie studio ought to be paying me to watch their advertising.
[09:31:00] dcstimm: mchou, well no, the movie is entertainment, you should be paying the movie studio to watch their work
[09:31:00] mchou: last movie I saw in the theatre was "Murderball"
[09:31:00] mchou: dcstimm: I said trailer, not movie
[09:32:00] dcstimm: a trailer is so you know what entertainment to view
[09:32:00] dcstimm: not an ad per say
[09:32:00] mchou: dcstimm: how's is that different from advertising?
[09:32:00] dcstimm: mchou, because people like trailers
[09:32:00] mchou: lol
[09:33:00] dcstimm: people show up 10 min early to a movie to watch them
[09:33:00] mchou: I dont even like most movies, never mind trailers
[09:33:00] dcstimm: you cant have a website of ads
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: hey mchou question for ya
[09:33:00] dcstimm: but you can have a website of trailers
[09:33:00] dcstimm: and people will go there
[09:33:00] mchou: dcstimm: sure you can. apple.com/trailers
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: nasa is goverment stuff so that means its public domain right?
[09:33:00] dcstimm: mchou, good site
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: like that video I linked you
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: its public domain
[09:34:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: not sure
[09:34:00] mchou: could be and should be, but it mightt be classified :)
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: LOL!
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: why would they have it on their webside
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: site rather
[09:34:00] mchou: don't wanna go to jail like Scooter
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: HAHA
[09:34:00] SlicerDicer-: hes going to have extra scooters soon
[09:35:00] mchou: up his ass :)
[09:35:00] mchou: and so will Rove
[09:35:00] mchou: maybe even Cheney
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[09:36:00] mchou: what do you expect from an administration that's name Bush and Dick?
[09:36:00] mchou: named*
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: if only ass was in there
[09:36:00] dcstimm: I love halloween, I was Mario !! http://homepage.mac.com/jenncunningham/PhotoAlbum39.html
[09:37:00] NightMonkey: back
[09:37:00] SlicerDicer-: http://homepage.mac.com/jenncunningham/.Pictu . . . 496711DA.jpg now that is brilliant dcstimm
[09:38:00] SlicerDicer-: rockem sockem costumes haha
[09:38:00] dcstimm: SlicerDicer-, much fun
[09:38:00] dcstimm: we made those out of boxes
[09:38:00] SlicerDicer-: haha nice
[09:38:00] dcstimm: Red won
[09:38:00] SlicerDicer-: did blue's head come off?
[09:38:00] dcstimm: but his stick broke!
[09:38:00] dcstimm: SlicerDicer-, oh yes
[09:39:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[09:39:00] dcstimm: we were the envy of the street parties
[09:40:00] dcstimm: we were very violent with them too
[09:40:00] dcstimm: lol
[09:41:00] dcstimm: this is what happens when the Apple Store in San Diego has a halloween party
[09:43:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[09:43:00] dcstimm: fun time:)
[09:46:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ass had enough sense to leave. That was Colon Powell
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[09:47:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[09:51:00] mchou: Rush hour is gonna be bad tomorrow
[09:52:00] mchou: highest fatalities in the year Monday after fall time adjustment
[09:52:00] dcstimm: heh
[09:53:00] dcstimm: I got really annoyeed when my linux PC updated the time automaticly
[09:53:00] mchou: dcstimm: why?
[09:53:00] Dagmar: WHy?
[09:53:00] mchou: it's supposed to.
[09:54:00] dcstimm: so I changed the time my self one hour early on all my other clocks because of it
[09:54:00] NightMonkey: JoeyJoeJo: How's the recompile?
[09:54:00] dcstimm: so I was two hours early
[09:54:00] Dagmar: They changed themselves?
[09:54:00] mchou: hahah
[09:55:00] dcstimm: yeah all my clocks changed
[09:55:00] dcstimm: and I had no idea
[09:55:00] dcstimm: my microwave, my cell phone
[09:55:00] dcstimm: so I thought my linux PC would have stayed the same, cause it doesnt always update
[09:55:00] dcstimm: so I based it all off my linux machine
[09:56:00] Dagmar: Umm... Since when does it not always update?
[09:56:00] NightMonkey: Oh well.
[09:56:00] Dagmar: I'm surpised the microwave updated itself.
[09:56:00] Dagmar: It's not often those have any idea what day it is.
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[09:57:00] dcstimm: I didnt know linux had an idea of what day it was
[09:57:00] mchou: lol
[09:58:00] dcstimm: other than ntpdate time.apple.com every couple days..
[09:58:00] mchou: ever heard of the "date" command?
[09:59:00] dcstimm: what app is running that knows about daylight savings time?
[09:59:00] Dagmar: glibc.
[09:59:00] dcstimm: gotta rm that app
[09:59:00] mchou: haha
[09:59:00] dcstimm: lol
[09:59:00] mchou: good luck
[09:59:00] Dagmar: Not to shock you unnecessarily, but your kernel keeps epochtime, not peopletime.
[10:00:00] dcstimm: Dagmar, that thing can go too
[10:00:00] dcstimm: who the hell needs a kernel
[10:00:00] dcstimm: corn is bad for you anyways
[10:00:00] Dagmar: Well, you can probably rm it out of /proc/kcore
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[10:00:00] Dagmar: It'll free up some space in /proc for you
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[10:00:00] dcstimm: mkisofs /dev/hda might work too
[10:00:00] ** Dagmar waits for the Ping Timeouts. **
[10:01:00] Dagmar: Damn this is fun.
[10:01:00] Dagmar: I didn't realize my desktop can't reboot properly without ACPI.
[10:01:00] mchou: I'd like to buy another A64 with cool'nquiet......
[10:02:00] Dagmar: I guess I'm not doing any more devel work until I get home in the morning.
[10:02:00] dcstimm: mchou, im more an intel guy my self
[10:02:00] dcstimm: xeons are my fav
[10:02:00] mchou: dcstimm: lol
[10:02:00] Dagmar: Medium sized piles of money are my fav
[10:02:00] Dagmar: Every time I buy Intel I seem to wind up with only tiny piles of money
[10:02:00] mchou: XX_Large piles of $ are my fav
[10:03:00] dcstimm: Linux neo 2.6.13 #1 SMP Wed Oct 12 22:32:59 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[10:03:00] mchou: bwhahaha
[10:03:00] dcstimm: 4 cpus and 4 logical cpus
[10:03:00] mchou: dcstimm: bullshit
[10:04:00] dcstimm: I would post my cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:04:00] Dagmar: pastebin
[10:04:00] dcstimm: but it would flood
[10:04:00] mchou: can those logical cpus run different OSes at the same time?
[10:04:00] mchou: lol
[10:04:00] dcstimm: no
[10:04:00] dcstimm: its called HT
[10:04:00] dcstimm: Hyper Threading
[10:04:00] mchou: HT==Bullshit
[10:04:00] dcstimm: Linux still sees it as a CPU
[10:04:00] dcstimm: so does make
[10:04:00] mchou: certainly not logical CPU
[10:04:00] Dagmar: s/Hyper/Hyped/
[10:05:00] dcstimm: it takes more advantage of the cpu
[10:05:00] mchou: lol
[10:05:00] dcstimm: use parts that would remain idle other wise
[10:05:00] Dagmar: It could do a better job of it if it could get the thing to drink some beer
[10:05:00] dcstimm: or wine
[10:06:00] Dagmar: But _no_ roofies
[10:06:00] dcstimm: or we could just get a quad g5
[10:06:00] mchou: dcstimm: I hope you like your power bill too :)
[10:06:00] dcstimm: mchou, my 550 watt EPS12V power supply is very nice
[10:07:00] mchou: haha, what an overkill
[10:07:00] dcstimm: mchou, plus my power bill is part of the rent, we have solar panels on the roof, we live in california where its always sunny
[10:07:00] Dagmar: Death Valley?
[10:07:00] dcstimm: no thats north
[10:07:00] dcstimm: san diego, aka northern mexico
[10:07:00] Dagmar: I know you're not talking about the Bay Area
[10:08:00] Dagmar: Ah yes, the place where people come from who complain that San Francisco is "freezing" at night
[10:08:00] dcstimm: yeah
[10:08:00] dcstimm: Im from buffalo NY, where freezing is freezing
[10:08:00] dcstimm: I hate those whinners
[10:08:00] dcstimm: people are wearing snow gear here when it hits 65F
[10:09:00] mchou: dcstimm: right, that's why you moved to warm San Diego :)
[10:09:00] dcstimm: I am wearing shorts and a tshirt
[10:09:00] dcstimm: mchou, hell yeah
[10:09:00] dcstimm: so I dont have to use my xeon box as a space heater
[10:09:00] Dagmar: I'm from Nashville, where freezing can happen at pretty much any time, but at least we keep quiet about it until the water turns hard and we can be sure.
[10:09:00] dcstimm: heh
[10:10:00] Dagmar: After living in SF for awhile, I actually started to miss having weather.
[10:10:00] dcstimm: hell its 61F as we speak here, its beautiful its 40F in Buffalo
[10:11:00] dcstimm: Dagmar, well the seasons are nice, but I dont like having to shovel snow off my car, and have so much rust damage because they salt the roads
[10:11:00] Dagmar: 41F here. It'll be 70 again by noon tomorrow.
[10:11:00] dcstimm: and having to deal with the freezing wind in you face
[10:12:00] Dagmar: Thankfully I've not had to shovel snow off my car here ever.
[10:12:00] dcstimm: people here in san diego think snow is magic and peaceful
[10:12:00] dcstimm: Dagmar, lucky man
[10:12:00] Dagmar: Although I've had to make use of near-boiling water and icepicks to get INTO my car in the first place more than once.
[10:12:00] dcstimm: when you cant see your car, but you just see a pile a snow you know your in trouble
[10:12:00] Dagmar: It snows more than an inch here about as often as it just coats everything in a malicious layer of ice.
[10:13:00] dcstimm: heh
[10:13:00] dcstimm: well in buffalo it will snow, then rain, and snow again
[10:13:00] dcstimm: so you get this layer of ice between the snow
[10:13:00] Dagmar: The sad thing is these b*st*rds will try and drive on the ice, and the whole place is hilly like San Francisco.
[10:13:00] dcstimm: so if you walk on it and the ice gives way you fall into the snow below it
[10:13:00] dcstimm: its very weird
[10:14:00] dcstimm: Dagmar, lol
[10:14:00] dcstimm: Dagmar, i loved san fran though
[10:14:00] dcstimm: I want to go back
[10:14:00] Dagmar: Dude I camped at the bottom of a hill one day with a buddy of mine from high school and his dad.
[10:14:00] Dagmar: we sat there with his dad's tow truck just running the winch cable out, attaching it to cars, and pulling them out of the ditch for $25 each.
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[10:15:00] dcstimm: heh
[10:15:00] Dagmar: Now, it's not like this hill had been recently added into the landscape or something, but we made a little under $1000 that day.
[10:15:00] dcstimm: hah
[10:16:00] Dagmar: His dad was a smartass, too. The first thing we did that morning was to put a large sign at the top of the hill saying "HILL IS ICED OVER — GO ANOTHER WAY"
[10:17:00] dcstimm: nice
[10:17:00] Dagmar: What was funny was the people who would say "Nah, I think I'll wait for AAA to pull me out"
[10:18:00] Dagmar: 10 minutes later, down the hill comes someone else... *skid*crunch*
[10:18:00] dcstimm: would it be AAA?
[10:19:00] Dagmar: AAA did get one guy out.
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[10:19:00] Dagmar: The other three people decided they'd go ahead and pay $25 before they had any more body damage
[10:20:00] dcstimm: heh
[10:20:00] Dagmar: You can't really tell people that they're going to get hit just by being there. They assume you're trying to justify "gouging" them
[10:23:00] Dagmar: Suffice it to say that when it ices here, I'll go out at the drop of a hat when it's the middle of the night, but you'll not see me on the roads while the sun is up and all those rednecks are out playing bumper cars.
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[10:37:00] ReedNeedsHelp: hi guys, I have a question. Is anyone available to answer it?
[10:38:00] Agrajag-: was that it?
[10:38:00] ReedNeedsHelp: I currently have a TiVo series 1 but am looking to build a MythTV box. Before I do that I need to know if it will work with my setup. I currently use both cable (for local channels) and DirecTV. With my TiVo, I am able to switch between the 2 because it has 2 inputs, and TiVo just uses the IR blaster to switch the satellite channels. Can I use both systems with MythTV as well?
[10:39:00] Agrajag-: well you'll either need a card with two inputs or two cards
[10:39:00] Agrajag-: but yeah mythtv will work with that
[10:39:00] ReedNeedsHelp: cool
[10:40:00] ReedNeedsHelp: is there a way to configure it, or does it matter
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[10:40:00] ReedNeedsHelp: like to tell it input 1 is cable, input 2 is sat ect?
[10:40:00] Agrajag-: yeah you configure all that
[10:41:00] ReedNeedsHelp: would you recommend getting 2 cards or 1 card with 2 inputs?
[10:42:00] Agrajag-: well if you get 2 cards then it's more likely you'll be able to watch/record off both at the same time
[10:42:00] ReedNeedsHelp: ok
[10:42:00] Agrajag-: normally 1 card can only tune to one thing at once (unless it has two tuners)
[10:44:00] ReedNeedsHelp: OK, I'll look into it. I just wanted to make sure it was possible. Thanks for your help
[10:44:00] Agrajag-: no worries
[10:44:00] ReedNeedsHelp: later
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[12:27:00] jono: hi, anyone here use a pvr-350 and dvb card in the same box?
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[12:29:00] Dagmar: Hm...
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[13:43:00] jono: hi
[13:44:00] jono: anyone use the PVR 250/350 with MythtV?
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[13:52:00] Daehenoc: Hello all
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[14:06:00] juski: anyone here happen to know what the xmltv ID for ITV4 in the uk is?
[14:07:00] ivor: juski: is it transmissing yet?
[14:07:00] ivor: at a guess: "itv4.itv.co.uk"
[14:09:00] rsdvd: HI juski......I would also guess itv4.itv.co.uk......folowing on from itv1, itv2, itv3 etc
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[14:10:00] juski: ivor – it's not just a matter of the xmltv id I don't think
[14:11:00] juski: its ID number is 1961 btw.. from the channels.dat on the xmltv feed :)
[14:15:00] ivor: juski: heh neat. yeah radio times is sending itv4 now.
[14:15:00] juski: just edited /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids & doing a grab
[14:15:00] ivor: juski: add an entry to the end of your xmltv channel_ids file
[14:15:00] ivor: ah, snap. :)
[14:16:00] ivor: Launch tomorrow according to the schedule.
[14:16:00] juski: won't be long before we have another channel coming along.. Sky 3
[14:16:00] juski: can they not just ditch the damn shopping channels instead of crankingg up the compression?
[14:17:00] Dagmar: They usually up the compression on the shopping channels anyway
[14:17:00] juski: ahhh
[14:17:00] Dagmar: HBO and whatnot tend to use 3–4 times the bandwidth
[14:17:00] juski: well just ditch the shopping channels anyway then
[14:18:00] ivor: juski: hmm and looking through the first few days of itv4 schedule shows it to contain..... complete crap. :)
[14:18:00] juski: lol
[14:18:00] juski: same as the other three itv channels then...
[14:19:00] ** juski is a snob **
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[14:22:00] juski: hey it's not that bad – they've got Larry Sanders on this Thursday – LOVE that show!
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[14:28:00] hculver: anybody know what prevents navigation from working in a dvd menu. I've authored a dvd with a main menu and 2 submenu's using dvdauthor and it works fine with xine, but in my hardware dvd player the submenu's give the little "navigation not allowed" icon when using the arrow keys.
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[14:53:00] juski: hculver: all video objects on DVDs can be configured to allow or disallow certain actions. it's likely in your case that dvdauthor isn't setting the navigation privileges correctly. I've never used dvdauthor, so i can't be any more help :(
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[14:56:00] hculver: juski: would that info be in the NAV packets?
[14:56:00] juski: I think so, hculver
[14:57:00] hculver: juski: I'm still a little puzzled that it works xine, but not the hardware player.
[14:58:00] hculver: with xine
[14:58:00] juski: try it in vlc.. that might act differently
[14:59:00] hculver: juski: thx
[14:59:00] juski: I normally try my dvds in powerdvd on a winblows machine.. if that plays it, I fgure anything will ;-)
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[15:04:00] DrDeth: :)
[15:05:00] DrDeth: I have a question if anyone has the time to help a newbie
[15:08:00] juski: you can but ask, DrDeth
[15:10:00] DrDeth: well, i've been looking at a lot of HTPC software, and most list a TV Tuner in the requirements
[15:10:00] juski: and?
[15:11:00] DrDeth: currently, I gain the benefit of watching TV on my PC without a TV Tuner, using the VIVO capabilities of my card
[15:11:00] juski: you don't **need** a tuner/capture device for mythtv if you don't want to use it as a PVR ;)
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[15:12:00] ivor: DrDeth: what do you use for tuning/channel selection with your VIVO?
[15:12:00] DrDeth: I have a satelite decoder that connects to my gfx card via S-Video
[15:12:00] juski: DrDeth: oh no... not VIVO.. sounds like some AGP contraption
[15:13:00] DrDeth: yeh :)
[15:13:00] DrDeth: VIVO – Video In Video Out
[15:13:00] ivor: DrDeth: oook. so if your VIVO has a working V4l driver and you can control your sat decoder using an IR blaster from the PC then youre sorted.
[15:13:00] ivor: (if a little contrived and heath-robinson-esque)
[15:14:00] DrDeth: hehe
[15:14:00] juski: DrDeth: is your VIVO device working in Linux already?
[15:14:00] jemarcks: MySQL question... Mythfrontend can only connect to the sql database if its run as root. If i run it as 'mythtv' user, it cant connect. any ideas?
[15:14:00] DrDeth: havent taken the time to set it up
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[15:15:00] DrDeth: jemarcks: look up GRANT in the mySQL docs
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: jemarks: Sounds like you have a mysql.txt file setup under your root users home directly but not one for the mythtv user
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: s/directly/directory/
[15:15:00] jemarcks: did i mess up while setting up the myth database?
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: man, my brain is still asleep
[15:17:00] GreyFoxx: It's more likely you just haven't setup a mysql.txt file for the "mythtv" system user to read
[15:17:00] jemarcks: yup... as root. ./.mythtv/mysql.txt
[15:17:00] GreyFoxx: That's likely the problem, clone/copy/whatever that to the mythtv users .mythtv directory
[15:17:00] jemarcks: there is on under mythtv too
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: but are the contents the same ?
[15:18:00] jemarcks: should i delete the one under root?
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: I don't see any reason to delete it
[15:18:00] jemarcks: yes, they are the same.
[15:19:00] jemarcks: i used diff
[15:19:00] GreyFoxx: Yet when the system user mythtv launches mythfrontend you get a connection refused ?
[15:19:00] jemarcks: yes, something like that. its a mysql connection error
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: what specifically :)
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: if it's more than 2 or 3 lines put it on pastebin.ca
[15:20:00] DrDeth: did you grant the user privelages in mysql ?
[15:20:00] jemarcks: i need to run to the office.. ill get back to this tonite after the trick or treaters are done with me
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: jemarcks: k
[15:20:00] jemarcks: thx yall
[15:21:00] DrDeth: Thanks guys.
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: DrDeth: If the 2 mysql.txt are identical then the sql user must have privs or it would fail for both
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[15:21:00] DrDeth: ahh... ok
[15:21:00] DrDeth: see ya round
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: later
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[15:46:00] prologic: 2005-11–01 00:45:23.538 Using protocol version 14
[15:46:00] prologic: 2005-11–01 00:45:24.346 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[15:46:00] prologic: 2005-11–01 00:45:24.570 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[15:46:00] prologic: did I do something wrong :) ?
[15:47:00] prologic: never had that happen before
[15:51:00] prologic: nevermind
[15:51:00] prologic: wrong cature card :)
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[16:48:00] DeltaF: Anyone know how to troubleshoot seg faults with fedora FC4 64-bit?
[16:48:00] laga: DeltaF: the mythtv docs tell you how to create backtrace
[16:48:00] DeltaF: Ah, you tried helping me the other day. :)
[16:49:00] laga: yep ;)
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[16:49:00] laga: sorry, i'm very short on time ;)
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[16:50:00] DeltaF: no prob. I'm wondering if anyone had the same issue as me and fixed it..
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[16:50:00] DeltaF: As opposed to hunting gremlins ;)
[16:50:00] laga: well, did you search the mailing list?
[16:51:00] DeltaF: link?
[16:51:00] laga: www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[16:52:00] DeltaF: Ah, that's the official one...
[16:52:00] DeltaF: Someone had a similar post yesterday.
[16:56:00] DeltaF: Does mythfrontend have issues running under fluxbox?
[16:57:00] laga: not for me, works fine.
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[16:59:00] MrSpiffy: I am not happy with the recording quality of my bt card – software encoding sucks big rocks through a straw. Is anybody here using a pvr250 who can tell me what they think of the quality?
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[17:01:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: I use several and am very happy
[17:01:00] ** GreyFoxx sheds a tear as he wipes his laptop and reghosts on a fresh install **
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[17:02:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, good to know. I am runniong into this while converting the nuv files to dvd compliant mpg's. Looks blocky and grainy
[17:02:00] MrSpiffy: not worse that the original though
[17:02:00] MrSpiffy: at least not a noticeable diff.
[17:02:00] MrSpiffy: re-encoding with opts that does it a tabout 7 fps
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[17:03:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, what does the pvr250 record in – I am looking for mpeg2/ac3 bitrate about 5k, audio at 192, res at 720:480
[17:03:00] MrSpiffy: that's close to the dvd spec
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[17:04:00] DeltaF: I think the pvr250 is supposed to do around that..
[17:04:00] DeltaF: Do you have issues with color accuracy, too, or is that just my video output? :)
[17:05:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, yes I have those problems as well
[17:05:00] MrSpiffy: Delta I am using a work around to set the levels on the card via the kernel module
[17:05:00] DeltaF: Yeah, I'll go that route too once I get myth working.
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: IT records at the bitrate/resolution you pick
[17:05:00] DeltaF: I've viewed the tuner in xawtv and it was a bit "off"
[17:06:00] GreyFoxx: I've recorded at several resolutions/bitrates over the years
[17:06:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, if your card supports it, try this
[17:06:00] MrSpiffy: #to fix washed out saturation problem
[17:06:00] MrSpiffy: /usr/bin/v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr "chroma agc" on
[17:06:00] GreyFoxx: I've been on my current settings for the last 4 or 5 months
[17:06:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, I am looking for near dvd quality recording – or at least as good as raw cable
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[17:07:00] MrSpiffy: what I have now is not – even at the max settings in myth
[17:07:00] DeltaF: Hmm libquicktime is missing.
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[17:07:00] GreyFoxx: I have 0 complaints about the quality of my recordings. I don't however burn any of them to DVD
[17:07:00] jono: hi all
[17:08:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, the v4l tool can show you what is available and what it is set to
[17:08:00] MrSpiffy: v4lctl -c /dev/video0 list
[17:08:00] jono: how do I tune in my pvr-350 in mythtv>?
[17:08:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, well 0 would be a good place to start
[17:08:00] DeltaF: excellent.
[17:08:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, the problem I have is all of the channels are slightly different. it's a real pain.
[17:08:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, some are more washed out, some are darker, etc etc
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: jono: Assuming you have your video sources and such all configured myth will tune to the channels as you change to them
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: the chroma setting helped across the board
[17:09:00] DeltaF: Isn't that what agc is for?
[17:09:00] DeltaF: It was turned on already via xawtv.
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: /usr/bin/v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr "chroma agc" on
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: it is off by default
[17:09:00] jono: GreyFoxx, I want the card to only stay on frequency though as the signal is coming in from my cable box and I am using a seperate little box to change the tv channels on the cable box
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: like I said, it helped across the board.
[17:09:00] DeltaF: When I change the setting is xawtv does it save it back to the card?
[17:09:00] jono: GreyFoxx, is this possible?
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, nope
[17:09:00] MrSpiffy: but
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: the kernel module will take an option
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: in my modprobe.conf
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: jono: Sure
[17:10:00] DeltaF: Can mythtv configure it on startup?
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: Just configure it to use an external script for changing channels
[17:10:00] jono: GreyFoxx, how do I set this set frequency for the card?
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: # WinTV
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: alias char-major-81 bttv
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: options bttv chroma_agc=1
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: and have that script not actually do anything
[17:10:00] jono: GreyFoxx, I have done that – I just need to tune in my cable box signal
[17:10:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, nope
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: jono: use the ivtvctl app on a commandline or in an init script to do it
[17:11:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, it's an option that gets passed to the kernel module – which can be set in modprobe.conf so it is set on startup :)
[17:11:00] jono: GreyFoxx, how do I use that command?
[17:11:00] DeltaF: Cool..
[17:11:00] MrSpiffy: you can verify it with the v4l list command
[17:11:00] jono: GreyFoxx, does it scan for the frequency?
[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: jono: So your external box doesn';t have svideo/composite outputs ? You are passing the info through coax ?
[17:11:00] MrSpiffy: DeltaF, yeah – it helps – only took me a week to find it
[17:12:00] GreyFoxx: jono: No, the ivtvctl command expects you to give it the raw Frequency I believe. But you will have to look at the command to find out for sure
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[17:12:00] DeltaF: Now I just need to get mythfrontend to start. :)
[17:12:00] jono: GreyFoxx, my channel changer is a little usb box that changes the channel with an RF2 connection – the RF1 output from the box is the video feed
[17:13:00] MrSpiffy: kind of spiffy jono
[17:13:00] jono: MrSpiffy, it in indeed
[17:13:00] GreyFoxx: So signal comes in like a VCR on channel 3/4 ?
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[17:13:00] jono: GreyFoxx, yeah the video comes in via the normal RF lead whch is plugged into my PVR-350
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: gotcha
[17:14:00] jono: I have no idea what the frequency is though so I need to scan for it somehow
[17:14:00] jono: is there a GUI to do this?
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: frequencies are pretty standard
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: just google
[17:14:00] jono: oh really?
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: ivtvctl doesn't have agui
[17:15:00] MrSpiffy: this business of using an external tuner sounds complicated
[17:15:00] jono: I dont know what I am looking for
[17:15:00] juski: why not just use svid or composite? you'll be able to record stereo audio then ;)
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: Most people who use it have the video coming in on the composite or svideo inputs and not need to tuner the card , just tell it what input to record from
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[17:16:00] MrSpiffy: how about changing challes or using the guide to record?
[17:16:00] jono: juski, I dont have a svid or comp lead right now
[17:16:00] MrSpiffy: serial connection?
[17:16:00] juski: is this a $ky box perchance?
[17:16:00] jono: juski, yes
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[17:17:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: He just said he had a usb box for changing channels. And has configure myth to use a script to tell the usb device to change them
[17:17:00] juski: can't you find out what channel the $ky box is outputting on its RF?3
[17:17:00] jono: my channel changer box is http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/
[17:17:00] GreyFoxx: everything works like a normal myth setup except that all channel changing happens outside of myth
[17:17:00] MrSpiffy: huh
[17:17:00] jono: yes
[17:17:00] MrSpiffy: interesteing
[17:18:00] DeltaF: Hey does that device work for digital cable boxes?
[17:18:00] jono: mine is a digital cable box
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: That wont is specific to sky
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: Or so it says
[17:18:00] jono: I dunno
[17:18:00] DeltaF: I want one for my time warner digital cable box.
[17:18:00] jono: so, can anyone help me find the sky frequency number
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: DeltaF: But there are tons of little IR blasters for doign the same with just about any equipment
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: jono What channel does it come into the TV on
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: ?
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[17:19:00] jono: GreyFoxx, I use the scart out for my tv at the moment
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh* you are missing my point so I'll rephrase
[17:20:00] jono: ok
[17:20:00] juski: jono the RF output channel is selectable in the config menus of the $ky box i think
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: what channel does the signal coming from the sky box to you come in on
[17:20:00] jono: GreyFoxx, it is AV1
[17:21:00] GreyFoxx: That doesn't sound like a channel to me. that sounds like an input interface on your TV
[17:21:00] jono: thats all it says
[17:21:00] GreyFoxx: What is "it" ?
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[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: Your TV ?
[17:22:00] jono: my tv is a thompson widescreen tv
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: And the type of cable from the sky box to your TV is a what ?
[17:22:00] jono: GreyFoxx, scart cable
[17:22:00] jono: scart to scart
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: And as of now you are passing the info via a coax cable into your 350 ?
[17:23:00] jono: well the scart is still plugged in, but I have also plugged in my coax cable
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: And the coax is coming from the skycontrol USB device ?
[17:26:00] DeltaF: Yay! Removing the plugins, the frontend starts.
[17:26:00] jono: no ignore the skycontrol device, thats only for changing the channel
[17:26:00] DeltaF: Now how do I get working plugins?!
[17:26:00] jono: the coax comes from the RF2 socket on the sky box to the PVR 350
[17:26:00] GreyFoxx: ok
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[17:27:00] jono: then another coax cable plugs in to my channel changer box
[17:27:00] jono: is that clearer?
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: and now look at the skybox, does it mention anything about channel 3 or 4 ? Maybe with a toggle switch ?
[17:27:00] jono: not sure how to get into the config
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[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: I mean physically look
[17:27:00] jono: oh one sec
[17:28:00] jono: nothing
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[17:29:00] GreyFoxx: You can pretty much safely assume it is either channel 3 or 44
[17:29:00] GreyFoxx: err 3 or 4
[17:30:00] jono: ok
[17:30:00] Beirdo: 444?
[17:30:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:30:00] jono: so do I set that in mythtv?
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: no
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: Since myth is not handling any of the channel changes
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: you have to set it externally
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: preferrabling in some init script that happens at boot
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[17:32:00] GreyFoxx: which is where you would use the ivtvctl command to set the frequencies
[17:32:00] jono: hmmm how do I do that?
[17:32:00] jono: so are channel 3 and 4 set frequencies?
[17:33:00] GreyFoxx: yes, like I said frequencies are standardized. You rarely find places that ignore the standard
[17:33:00] sskk: When I try to watch live tv, the frontend gives me the follwing error many many times: AFD: No codec for stream index (only when I start the frontend with "-v playback"). Any idea what this could be?
[17:33:00] GreyFoxx: some do , but it's unlikely that your hardware will
[17:33:00] Beirdo: and in those places "standard" TVs won't work
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[17:33:00] jono: what are the channel 3 and 4 frequencies?
[17:33:00] GreyFoxx: jono: are you google impaired ?
[17:33:00] Beirdo: sounds like a question for google
[17:34:00] jono: sorry I dont know what I am looking for – do I search for "channel 3 4 frequency" ?
[17:36:00] PrYgMMa: pardon me folks, but where do i correct this error? "Setting up mythtv-database (0.17–3) ...
[17:36:00] PrYgMMa: Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1."
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[17:38:00] sskk: PrYgMMa: don't know about the 0.17. version, but I would guess you have to change the mysql login password in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
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[17:39:00] jono: hmm I don't know what to search for
[17:41:00] Beirdo: jono: NTSC channel frequencies maybe?
[17:41:00] GreyFoxx: uk
[17:42:00] Beirdo: OK
[17:42:00] Beirdo: PAL
[17:42:00] Beirdo: easy to find for NTSC
[17:42:00] Beirdo: heh
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[17:43:00] jono: does this look right? http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/produ . . . /2320ap5.htm
[17:44:00] Beirdo: quite likely
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[17:44:00] wizard42: hi Volks !
[17:44:00] wizard42: may someone help me with mythtv ?
[17:44:00] laga: hallo volker
[17:44:00] stoffel_: wizard42: folks, not volks ;)
[17:44:00] Beirdo: heheh
[17:44:00] stoffel_: and sry, cnr
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[17:45:00] jono: hmm doesnt work
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[17:46:00] jono: quick question – I plugged the coax cable from my sky box into the connector on my PVR-350 – in MythTV I can then select a bunch of Composite and S-Video inputs as well as Tuner – I assume Tuner is the right one to use?
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[17:46:00] wizard42: .oO(de, en, any?)
[17:47:00] Beirdo: wizard42: you need to actually ask a question to be helped
[17:47:00] wizard42: Beirdo: Well, yes ... :-)
[17:48:00] wizard42: Problem is a black screen – Im sure there are a lot of Questions on this – but noe I found match my log messages
[17:48:00] jono: brb
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[17:49:00] wizard42: TV Card seems to work so far (can watch with szap/xine from STDIN) but mythtv doenst show anything
[17:50:00] Beirdo: pretty non-specific.
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[17:50:00] Beirdo: I think we'd need to know more details. are you sure you setup myth correctly? what hardware? etc
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[17:51:00] jono: heya
[17:51:00] laga: "are you sure you setzp myth correctly" is a very bad question ;)
[17:51:00] Beirdo: obviously that has many subquestions
[17:52:00] wizard42: After trying with debian and the same problem I took KnoppMyth, Card is a PCTV-Sat
[17:52:00] Beirdo: but without ANY detail, it's awfully hard to determine
[17:52:00] wizard42: xmltv got some data, I could see it from the frondend
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[17:52:00] wizard42: I havent got the channel search to work, so I imported the szap-working channels.conf
[17:53:00] jono: heya
[17:53:00] Beirdo: Hmmm. DVB is a bit beyond my scope of experience
[17:53:00] bill2or3: is the pvr-350 pretty much the preferred card to get?
[17:54:00] bill2or3: I've been thinking about dvb, but I havent' been able to find any info on what programming is actually on it.
[17:54:00] sskk: Bill2or3: If you already have TV-out, then save the money and get a pvr-150 instead
[17:54:00] bill2or3: sskk, I don't, I'm building a system from scratch.
[17:54:00] wizard42: what else to say ... I think (might be just an illusion) I have a tunign problem ...
[17:55:00] juski: jono – you still got the manual for your $ky TV box?
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: bill2or3: The 350 isn't really worth the money unless you are really low on CPU, the 150/250/500 with tv on your video card are the more flexible,cheaper and common solutions
[17:56:00] bill2or3: foxx, those are all hauppage models?
[17:56:00] jono: juski, no :(
[17:56:00] jono: sorry guys, I just can't the right frequency
[17:56:00] jono: can someone give me a hand?
[17:57:00] sskk: bill2or3: I'm very pleased with my (cheat) pvr-150... Though you should also have a look at the 500 (which is 2 150's in one card)
[17:57:00] Ryushin: jono: With your pvr-350 card?
[17:57:00] juski: jono – is it a Pace Skybox?
[17:57:00] jono: Ryushin, yeah
[17:57:00] jono: Ryushin, no its a grundig one
[17:57:00] jono: oops
[17:57:00] jono: juski, no its a grundig one
[17:57:00] gakalkag: put the mhz x10 in the sql freqid
[17:58:00] Beirdo: um, * 16, I think
[17:58:00] bill2or3: hm, the 500 looks nice.
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: bill2or3: Yes they are all different tuners from hauppauge. all with hardware encoding
[17:58:00] bill2or3: what's the price difference between the 150 and the 500?
[17:59:00] bill2or3: I'll be using slower cpu, so anything I can do in hardware is good.
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: the 500 is a little more than double the 150
[17:59:00] Ryushin: Do the new 150 and 500 use different tuners than what is in the 250 and 350?
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: but it's also 2 tuners on one card
[17:59:00] jono: hmmmm
[17:59:00] bill2or3: I'm getting a HD3000 first..
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: every couple months the tuners on all of the cards change to whatever cheaper ones they can get that month :)
[17:59:00] jono: oh I am so confused
[17:59:00] Ryushin: I've been finding the tuner in the 350 not as good as what's in my Samsung TV.
[17:59:00] juski: jono: http://www.satcure.co.uk/digifaq2.htm
[18:00:00] gakalkag: the pvr500 got 2x mpeg encoders
[18:00:00] juski: by default, your $ky set top box will output its RF on channel 68
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: 68? Weird
[18:00:00] Ryushin: GreyFoxx: That's just great.
[18:00:00] Beirdo: crazy europeans
[18:00:00] juski: but you can change it anywhere between 21 and 68 in the STB setup menus
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: I've never seen a STB/VCR that didn't use 3 or 4
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: cool
[18:01:00] Ryushin: Is the Hauppauge still the best TV card we can by?
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: good to know
[18:01:00] Beirdo: yeah, but we are in NTSC-land, GreyFoxx
[18:01:00] Beirdo: we aren't crazy europeans :)
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: I've lived in PAL land too
[18:01:00] juski: these are PAL-I UK channel numbers mind you ;)
[18:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:01:00] bill2or3: So has anyone here (in N. america) got a working DVB system?
[18:01:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: yea.
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: It's still the perferred/best supported for analog cable
[18:01:00] jono: juski, thanks
[18:01:00] gakalkag: go for a pvr500, and u save a pci space. and its the same price as the pvr350
[18:01:00] ** juski is off to hand solder another 200 pin QFP **
[18:02:00] Beirdo: juski: easy stuff :)
[18:02:00] bill2or3: Ryushin, can you tell me if there is guide-data available, and where I can see what programming is available?
[18:02:00] jono: juski, do you know what freq chan 68 is?
[18:02:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: I'm using a PVR-350 and a HD-3000 card.
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: bill2or3: Yeah, but there isn't a lot of Free to air DVB stuff in north america
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[18:02:00] bill2or3: Ryushin, that's pretty much the exact setup I'm looking at getting.
[18:02:00] bill2or3: but I want to know if there's anything good on before I look at getting a dvb dish.
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: OTA HDTV/ATSC is another matter
[18:03:00] gakalkag: anyone here running "minimyth" on a EPIA SP?
[18:03:00] bill2or3: I checked antennaweb and it says that I pretty much just have access to the local channels, plus some extra PBS stations.
[18:03:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: Go here: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and to www.titantv.com
[18:04:00] Ryushin: That's pretty much all there is OTA. Don't knock PBS though. They have some incredible HD content available.
[18:04:00] bill2or3: Ryu, is there anywhere with program listings for dvb?
[18:04:00] jono: if I use an S-Video lead, do I need to do all this frequency hunting?
[18:04:00] Ryushin: From SAT?
[18:05:00] bill2or3: yeah, from sat.
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: jono: No
[18:05:00] jono: GreyFoxx, so if I use S-Video it will just work?
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: yes
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[18:05:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: When I was going the research, everything come from directtv and dish is encypted. So you're pretty much screwed.
[18:06:00] Ryushin: If you're in europe, it's a much better story.
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: jono: There are no "channels" that you would need to tune to if you use the s-video input
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[18:06:00] Ryushin: You won't be able to use a HD-3000 to tune channels from sat.
[18:06:00] jono: GreyFoxx, so I just plug the lead in and select the s-video port in mythtv and it works?
[18:06:00] bill2or3: yeah, I know, I'm thinking about getting an addition card for dvb, but only if there's anything worth watching on it.
[18:07:00] Ryushin: I got a really nice antenna to bring in the signals for myself. I'm about 40–50 miles away from the broadcase towers.
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: jono: Yes
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: Myth will set the input to the svideo input and leave the channel changing to your script
[18:07:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: I don't know if Disk, Voom, or DirectTV boxes provide a serial or firewire port you can control the channels.
[18:08:00] Ryushin: Disk=Dish.
[18:08:00] bill2or3: my directv box has serial.
[18:08:00] jono: GreyFoxx, ahhh cool, I am clearly wasting my time :P
[18:08:00] jono: thanks all
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[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: if svideois and option it will also look better than over the coax
[18:08:00] bill2or3: but I'm more wondering about non-dtv non-dish programming.
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: in north america there is little to no "free" dvb-s stuff
[18:09:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: Then only the stuff OTA terristerial. Nothing to my knowledge is being sent down from a SAT unencypted.
[18:09:00] Beirdo: there is *some* FTA stuff
[18:09:00] Beirdo: but so little
[18:10:00] Ryushin: Anyone running 2.6.14 yet?
[18:10:00] bill2or3: I found this http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html
[18:10:00] bill2or3: it might be fun to tune in some foriegn stations.
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: bill2or3: Sure that's a big list, but look at the sat they are on. There are only a couple per sattellite
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: so you would have to repoint the dish to go from sat to sat
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: which is possible, but might not be worth your time
[18:12:00] GreyFoxx: of course if you have the gear and clear view of the sat's I'd say go for it :)
[18:12:00] bill2or3: yeah.
[18:12:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: I think you will also need one of the bigger dishes to tune in those as well. Along with a box to rotate the dish to each sat. My Dad use to have that set up a decade ago.
[18:13:00] bill2or3: yeah, I would want anything bigger than like a 1meter dish, if that.
[18:13:00] Ryushin: You're looking a pretty penny to get that as well. Though there might be a LOT of used stuff like that on the market.
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: If I had room on my property and less tree's in the way I'd probably setup something like that just for the hell of it
[18:14:00] juski: jono: rf channel 68 is 847.25Mhz.. taken from here: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/tuning/
[18:15:00] Ryushin: NHL on OLN in HD. Oh man, that is looking tempting now.
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[18:16:00] juski: d'oh. jono left already
[18:17:00] GreyFoxx: Man, the SBC CEO is a moron
[18:18:00] GreyFoxx: He wants to try and force VOIP providers to pay SBC some extra fee to "use our pipes". Apparently he's forgetting that the end user is already paying for the connection
[18:18:00] Ryushin: I wonder how much of that is unencypted though.
[18:19:00] Ryushin: There is only like 5 stations that are HD.
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[18:24:00] claimjump: GreyFoxx: I liked what Ed Felten had to say about it – by his logic, Google should be able to extract payments from SBC, since so many consumers purchase SBC service in order to use Google
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[18:35:00] Ryushin: It looks like it may just be easier to set up a dish network (echostar) to get the voom channels which include everything that you would be able to get over free DVB-S.
[18:37:00] bill2or3: well, I allready have DTV..
[18:37:00] ** bill2or3 looks up the voom lineup **
[18:38:00] Ryushin: Bummer. After reading some more, there is no way to get the recording from DirectTV or Echostar in digital form. It will be converted to analog and then you can record it.
[18:39:00] bill2or3: if you have a directivo you can extract the video from the drive over ethernet
[18:39:00] bill2or3: not officially of course, but there are hacks.
[18:40:00] Ryushin: Maybe it still might be better to get the big dish setup going with a dvb-s card. Though I don't know if their are any dvb-s cards that work for the US sats.
[18:40:00] Ryushin: The card will have to control the dish positioning.
[18:43:00] bill2or3: yeah.
[18:43:00] bill2or3: there are cards, we had one set up here for a while.
[18:43:00] meshuga: dvb-s works
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[18:43:00] bill2or3: but it was on an under-powered pc, so it wasnt very good.
[18:43:00] meshuga: bunch of ppl trying to get it going for mythtv even
[18:44:00] meshuga: i am going to try out VDR
[18:44:00] meshuga: soon
[18:44:00] meshuga: since i hear thats stable
[18:44:00] meshuga: with dvb-s and dish.
[18:44:00] meshuga: i hear that is running good
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[18:44:00] stoffel: date
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[18:47:00] Ryushin: bill2or3: Look at this: http://www.coolstf.com/mpeg/HDTV/ It's a dish network modulator that can pipe the single to your ATSC card (HD-3000, or simular).
[18:49:00] bill2or3: interesting
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[18:50:00] Ryushin: I guess it's totally possible doing it with a straight dvb-s card: http://www.satelliteguys.us/archive/index.php/t-90069.html
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[18:51:00] abarbaccia: hey all – i just switched over to an nvidia card and i got the TVout to work....sorta – It decided it only wants to do black and white
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[19:19:00] bill2or3: http://freetoairdish.com/Channel_List.htm
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[19:40:00] xris: Ryushin: possible, but not legal
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[19:56:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, I took th eplunge an dordered a pvr-250
[19:56:00] \Grooby\: yay!
[19:56:00] \Grooby\: why not 150?
[19:57:00] MrSpiffy: 250 faster
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: faster ?
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: faster what ?
[19:57:00] MrSpiffy: hw encoder and digitizer
[19:57:00] MrSpiffy: 150 just hw encoder
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: ummmm
[19:57:00] MrSpiffy: had to squint at the specs
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: there is functionally no difference between the two, certainly nothing a end user would notice
[19:58:00] MrSpiffy: good to know. now
[19:58:00] MrSpiffy: mwave has them for $130 usd
[19:58:00] Chutt: i paid $135 for my pvr-500.
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: 150's are insanely cheap
[19:58:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, what do yo uuse?
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: 250's. But I've had them for a long time :)
[19:59:00] Chutt: there's absolutely no reason to pay that much for a card that's been discontinued.
[19:59:00] MrSpiffy: ah
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: 150's didn't exist whenI bought mine
[19:59:00] MrSpiffy: the 500 looks cool – like two 150's on a card
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[20:01:00] \Grooby\: only if I can get my ivtv to load
[20:01:00] \Grooby\: :(
[20:02:00] Hoxzer:
[20:03:00] Hoxzer:
[20:03:00] Hoxzer: oops, this isn't ifnnish channel :o
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: that was finish?
[20:03:00] MrSpiffy: looked like klingon
[20:04:00] \Grooby\: heheheh
[20:04:00] \Grooby\: i was gonna say chinese
[20:04:00] MrSpiffy: bok chuuuuuuuuuu !
[20:04:00] \Grooby\: moo goo gaipang?
[20:05:00] MrSpiffy: translation: in klingon shoot thrusters. in finnish oh what a lovely tea cozy
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[20:08:00] \Grooby\: lol
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[20:16:00] iiiears: <<< – being punished for the purchase of a phillips card with the saa7133 chipset. – any tips?
[20:16:00] wizard42: anybody could give me a hint why channel scanning hangs at 3% ?
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[20:17:00] Ryushin: xris: Why would it be illegal? They are unencypted sat broadcasts.
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[20:29:00] Led-Hed: I know this is way off topic, but can someone help me with SSL/TLS certificates? I've tried the HOWTO's and other IRC channels with zero luck...
[20:30:00] Ryushin: Certs for what? apache?
[20:30:00] Led-Hed: ya
[20:30:00] Ryushin: What's the problem.
[20:30:00] xris: Ryushin: not the HD stuff
[20:30:00] xris: dishnetwork is encrypted.
[20:30:00] Led-Hed: Well the howtos I find are for FC3 and evidentially they dont work in fc4
[20:31:00] Led-Hed: I'm trying to create a self signed cert. for Squirrelmail
[20:31:00] Ryushin: Right. But over the air is not. There are only 5 channels broadcast in HD according to this list: http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html
[20:31:00] Ryushin: Did you generate the cert yet?
[20:31:00] xris: Ryushin: yeah. I was referring to your comment about dish.. FTA stuff is of course unencrypted.
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[20:32:00] Ryushin: xris: Yea. If I got that dish network modulator I would need to pay for service. If I remember correctly, Dish has not been cracked.
[20:33:00] Led-Hed: Ryushin, not yet, cant figure out how. All the howtos use a command called CA, I dont have / cant find CA?
[20:34:00] Ryushin: led-hed: I'll msg you my old how-to.
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[20:34:00] Led-Hed: Ryushin, thanks, appreciated
[20:36:00] xris: Ryushin: it has, actually.. which is what I thought you were talking about when you went from the modulator to talking about using straight dvb-s...
[20:37:00] wizard42:
[20:37:00] Ryushin: xris: Really. I thought that they will still uncracked. I knew DirectTV has been comprised for a long time.
[20:37:00] xris: Led-Hed: https://svn.forevermore.net/domainmanager/bro . . . neratesslkey
[20:38:00] xris: Ryushin: other way around. DTV uses a nonstandard protocol(?)... no tuner cards support it. Dish is just encrypted.
[20:38:00] Ryushin: True. But there were cards you can buy to watch whatever you want. But it is an unstandard protocol.
[20:39:00] Led-Hed: xris, thanks
[20:40:00] Ryushin: By cards I mean their key card.
[20:41:00] xris: man, I'd happily pay for a card that would let me us my subscription for mythtv... stupid.
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[20:49:00] d_low: hey is anyone around?
[20:49:00] kormoc: mornin
[20:49:00] d_low: good morning
[20:49:00] d_low: do you know how i can go about testing sound?
[20:49:00] d_low: it appears that my tv card isn't outputting sound
[20:50:00] kormoc: well, could just watch tv and listen and see if any sound is played
[20:50:00] d_low: i know my soundcard is configured correctly, because i can run asound on various files and get sound back
[20:50:00] d_low: yeah no sound is played
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[21:07:00] d_low: kormoc: you there?
[21:07:00] kormoc: sure am
[21:08:00] d_low: kormoc: stupid question, am i supopsed to run a cable from my wintv card to the input of my sound card?
[21:08:00] kormoc: likly, aye
[21:08:00] d_low: haha
[21:08:00] d_low: im gonna feel dumb if this fixes it
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[21:10:00] d_low: hahaha
[21:10:00] d_low: omg im sitting here reading about hacking kernel drivers
[21:10:00] d_low: man im dumb... thanks mate
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[21:19:00] simon_c: Has anyone got a .lircrc file for myth-like control for mplayer ?
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[21:23:00] kormoc: d_low, glad you got it workin
[21:23:00] d_low: thanks
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[21:26:00] Ryushin: simon_c: Are you sure you want to use mplayer and not xine? This is assuming you are trying to play dvd's.
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[21:35:00] simon_c: Ryushin: It's DVDs and ripped DVDs. I just figured on mplayer cos it was the default in mythdvd
[21:35:00] simon_c: Ryushin: Is xine better ?
[21:36:00] Ryushin: Xine can do dvd menus, mplayer can't. I wonder why they haven't switched xine to be the default.
[21:36:00] simon_c: I'll check out xine too then. Thanks.
[21:38:00] Ryushin: simon_c: You can use my lircrc file if you like: http://www.chrisdos.com/lircrc I have a quite a few hours into building it.
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[21:48:00] AndyCap: Hmm, is there an easy way to remove recordings from the database that no longer have the associated files?
[21:48:00] AndyCap: some update set deleted=true or something like that.
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[21:51:00] Ryushin: just touch the file name and delete it. Make sure the touched file has the correct ownership.
[21:52:00] Ryushin: delete it using the mythtv interface.
[21:53:00] AndyCap: hmm, I think that won't work when the actual files are gone. I use delete, but the recorded show entries remain
[21:55:00] Ryushin: touching the file name put it back. tail /var/log/mythtv/myth-backend and find out what the file name is, then just touch it, and then you can delete it.
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[22:01:00] AndyCap: Ryushin: aah, I see. thanks
[22:01:00] AndyCap: hehe, didn't quit catch that touch part the first time.
[22:02:00] Ryushin: yea, I had the same problem until I figure out what it was trying to do.
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[22:05:00] AndyCap: worked like a charm
[22:05:00] Theoden: When I run mythfilldatabase, I get errors ... HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 unauthorized
[22:06:00] Theoden: Cansomeone tell me what I can do to fix this problem?
[22:07:00] Ryushin: The first one does just up as unauthorized. The second time it goes through.
[22:07:00] Theoden: Ryushin: It doesn't appear that way ... I get that message twice.
[22:07:00] Ryushin: You'll get a unauth, then the next time it says OK.
[22:08:00] Ryushin: Oh. Then you have the wrong username and/or password inputed wrong.
[22:08:00] Ryushin: What happens when you connect to the web site?
[22:08:00] Theoden: And when I try to watch tv – it's just blank
[22:08:00] Theoden: I haven't tried that.
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[22:10:00] Theoden: Ryushin: I get: 403 Forbidden
[22:10:00] Ryushin: Go to: http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html
[22:10:00] Ryushin: And see if you can log in.
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[22:11:00] Theoden: Ryushin: I can there.
[22:12:00] Ryushin: Then enter mythtv setup again and enter your credentials in there. Have retrieve your listings to make sure it works.
[22:14:00] Theoden: Ryushin: Where?
[22:15:00] Ryushin: Under the channel setup.
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[22:16:00] Theoden: new channel?
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[22:16:00] Theoden: Ryushin: Sorry – I'm a bit lost at this point.
[22:17:00] Ryushin: Let me log into my box remotely.
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[22:18:00] diggity: anyone ever seen this problem, this is the commnd line output from the mythfrontend 2005-10–31 15:59:23.767 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[22:18:00] diggity: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/video/buffer/ringbuf1.nuv
[22:19:00] Ryushin: Theoden: mythtv-setup gives you five options. It will be in option 3.
[22:19:00] diggity: this happens when i try to watch live tv.. google isnt helping me too much on this one
[22:20:00] Ryushin: diggity: Sounds like it's having problems creating the ringbuf1.nuv file. Are you out of disk space?
[22:21:00] AndyCap: hmm, cutting files mythfrontend over vnc took it's good while.
[22:21:00] diggity: ive checked to make sure that ivtv has loaded using dmesg | grep ivtv
[22:21:00] diggity: there is about 25 gigs free for the buffer
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[22:22:00] simon_c: Ryushin: Thaks for that. Just want I was looking for.
[22:22:00] diggity: I found in the mailing lists there was a problem with running out of space caused by too small of a buffer setting in the config, but i maxed that out to no avail
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[22:24:00] kormoc: For the east coasters: http://www.slickdeals.net/#p6657 <-- Round trip airfair to the cariabbian for $18
[22:24:00] Ryushin: Do you have the right permissions set for your recordings and buffers directories.
[22:24:00] diggity: I set it to a+wrx
[22:25:00] diggity: [mythtv@localhost video]$ ls -l
[22:25:00] diggity: total 0
[22:25:00] diggity: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1 Oct 31 15:59 buffer
[22:25:00] diggity: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 8 Oct 31 14:12 record
[22:25:00] Ryushin: What user are you running the frontend and backend as?
[22:25:00] diggity: mythtv
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[22:26:00] diggity: they are both on the same machine, running the 127.0.0.1 settings
[22:28:00] diggity: its got to be something simple, and stupid i overlooked
[22:29:00] simon_c: I'm playing around with mythdvd, and ripped a DVD as "perfect". Which has used 8GB of space. Is there a way of transcoding it down to other formats/space without re-ripping it so I can compare results and see what I want to stick to ?
[22:29:00] Ryushin: Will the pvr-150 card work with 18.1, or do you need the latest knopmyth or svn?
[22:30:00] Beirdo: does ivtv work?
[22:30:00] Beirdo: if so, it will work with 18.1
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[22:31:00] Ryushin: K. I saw that SVN now looks for 150 and 500 cards as well as the 250/350 cards.
[22:31:00] Beirdo: huh?
[22:31:00] Beirdo: separately?
[22:31:00] Ryushin: No. In one selection.
[22:31:00] Beirdo: or does it just say 150/250/350/500?
[22:32:00] Beirdo: right
[22:32:00] diggity: I touched a file in my buffer directory called ringbuf1.nuv and when i load mythfrontend it deletes it, the syas it cant create it
[22:32:00] Beirdo: that's a textual change only
[22:32:00] Ryushin: k.
[22:34:00] stang: Is there any way to get real time video out of a haupp. 500?
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[22:36:00] kormoc: stang, cat /dev/video0 > video.mpg?
[22:36:00] Ryushin: real time?
[22:37:00] stuarta: anyone using mythburn having mpeg2enc crash with a segv?
[22:37:00] stang: well... it seems like a couple seconds pass from the time video goes into the card to the time it is displayed
[22:37:00] diggity: cat dev/video0 > video.mpg
[22:38:00] kormoc: stang, ahh, you can't get rid of that no, it takes time to encode to mpeg
[22:38:00] Beirdo: and to decode it
[22:38:00] Beirdo: and to write it to disk and read it back
[22:38:00] stang: so we can't get around the buffering?
[22:38:00] kormoc: nope
[22:38:00] ** Beirdo hands kormoc the trout **
[22:41:00] stang: so console video games and hauppauge don't mix? :-)
[22:41:00] Ryushin: You know, what if I like salmon more than trout.
[22:42:00] ** Beirdo slaps Ryushin with a trout **
[22:42:00] kormoc: stang, that'd be correct. videogames and myth don't really mix anyway
[22:42:00] Beirdo: salmon and trout are the same family anyways :)
[22:43:00] stang: kormoc, just wanted to display it w/ mplayer, but I knew you guys would be the ones to ask
[22:44:00] Beirdo: buh
[22:44:00] Beirdo: well, time to get the hell outta here and head to the chiro
[22:44:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:44:00] kormoc: see ya!
[22:45:00] Beirdo: ciao
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[22:55:00] simon_c: I'm playing around with mythdvd, and ripped a DVD as "perfect". Which has used 8GB of space. Is there a way of transcoding it down to other formats/space without re-ripping it so I can compare results and see what I want to stick to ?
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[23:39:00] atix: hi
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[23:48:00] Umaro: hey guys.. kind of a off-topic question, but whenever I am watching my TV, if something comes on that changes very quickly, it starts flashing.. like one split second it'll be the image, the next split-second it will be a black screen, and then back to the next "frame". What is that called?
[23:48:00] stuarta: lack of cpu?
[23:49:00] Umaro: no... it happens with regular TV too, like from my cable box directly
[23:49:00] Umaro: I tried figuring out if it was my mythtv box
[23:49:00] Umaro: but it doesn't look like it
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