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[01:34:00] spuhkewzi: does mythtv support mouse input? i'm planning on using it w/ a touch screen for a carputer..
[01:36:00] _Nero_: spuhkewzi- yes it does.
[01:36:00] _Nero_: though I am not sure about the menu.. lemme turn on mousing real quick, and I'll check for you.
[01:36:00] spuhkewzi: _Nero_, thanks
[01:37:00] _Nero_: ahhh.. doesnt work for the menus..
[01:37:00] _Nero_: only mouse up and down work for the menus.
[01:37:00] _Nero_: :(
[01:37:00] spuhkewzi: :<
[01:38:00] _Nero_: sorry..
[01:39:00] spuhkewzi: it's ok. maybe i'll work on adding support for it.
[01:39:00] spuhkewzi: thanks for your help
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[01:41:00] _Nero_: No problem.
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[02:01:00] [Xander]: upping my mysql on the mythbox to latest rev and wholly crap it's taking forever to recompile everything...
[02:01:00] _Nero_: [Xander]- MySQL 5?
[02:02:00] [Xander]: ummm 4.1 (i'm on an amd64, don't see 5 as a valid package yet...)
[02:03:00] _Nero_: ahhh.. good.. :) if you were upgrading to 5, you'd probably have some troubles..
[02:03:00] [Xander]: good to know, thanks
[02:03:00] _Nero_: (you'd probably have to re-compile qt- ick..)
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[02:03:00] [Xander]: i'm having to rebuild A LOT of stuff (it's gentoo)
[02:04:00] _Nero_: It takes a good 15–20 minutes to compile the latest Mythtv SVN on my P4 2.4ghz..
[02:05:00] [Xander]: i'm on an x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+, it does a pretty good job, but still takes forever for some stuff
[02:06:00] ** _Nero_ figures he should use his dual opteron system for all his compiling.. lol **
[02:06:00] _Nero_: though this 2.4ghz P4 is nowhere near as bad as my 1ghz Powerbook.. took almost a day and a half to compile KDE..
[02:07:00] [Xander]: i would like to use the pile of 'junkers' in the basement to distcc, but can't get it figured out on distcc for x86 from 32bit machines to make my amd64 stuff work
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[02:08:00] _Nero_: humm.. is compiling 64-bit on a 32 bit machine even possible?
[02:09:00] dev-: almost postive, no
[02:09:00] mofu: Xander, http://scratchbox.org/ cross-compilation toolkit, not sure if its workable w/ distcc
[02:09:00] [Xander]: that's probably the problem <GRIN>
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[02:09:00] mofu: _Nero_: yeah, no problem
[02:09:00] _Nero_: oh nice.. thats good to know..
[02:10:00] ** _Nero_ goes back to being mezmorized by Goom... **
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[02:11:00] ** [Xander] should stick to binary packages, they are sooo much faster to install. (lazyness and impatience are not good traits to run gentoo) **
[02:12:00] mofu: lol
[02:12:00] _Nero_: hehe
[02:13:00] ** [Xander] wonders how many machines it would take to distcc my packages near-instantly **
[02:14:00] _Nero_: My guess? A lot
[02:14:00] [Xander]: and a really fast network
[02:14:00] mofu: gigabit pipes at least
[02:15:00] _Nero_: Probably easier to just switch to Fedora or something ;)
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[02:15:00] [Xander]: nahh, XP. (hehe)
[02:16:00] mofu: or something with real apt package management . . . .
[02:16:00] [Xander]: gentoo has great package management, portage!
[02:16:00] mofu: if you don't mind waiting, yes . . . .
[02:17:00] [Xander]: hrmmm "MASKED by ~amd64" for every single thing I need to install... apparently NOTHING is 'stable' on an amd64...
[02:18:00] _Nero_: I am so glad php allows objects to be set as session variables..
[02:19:00] mofu: want to build an AMD64_X2 anyway . . . .
[02:19:00] [Xander]: fry's electronics has a mobo that supports 4x amd64 processors... (ahhhh)
[02:21:00] mofu: so will that take 4 Dual-Core CPU's (8x)???
[02:21:00] [Xander]: hehe
[02:21:00] mofu: that's just sick
[02:21:00] [Xander]: it's also like $2k just for the mobo
[02:21:00] [Xander]: bare
[02:22:00] dev-: that'd make a nice backend
[02:22:00] dev-: hehe
[02:22:00] fryfrog: krikey!
[02:22:00] fryfrog: it'd make a nice backend if you had a ton of shitty software cards ;)
[02:22:00] fryfrog: it'd make an awsome database server for some huge site like hardocp though :)
[02:22:00] dev-: even with 250's my backend does plenty of work
[02:23:00] dev-: mythcommflag especially
[02:23:00] dev-: but i run mythweb off it to with mythstream
[02:23:00] dev-: so vlc needs it as well
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[02:23:00] fryfrog: well, 4x X2 processors would at the *very least* give you a huge iPenis :)
[02:23:00] fryfrog: or is that an ePenis?
[02:24:00] mofu: ROFLMAO
[02:24:00] dev-: more cpus make your dick grow?
[02:24:00] dev-: spooky
[02:24:00] [Xander]: i thought it would make an 'acceptible' box to surf the web, but seems a little underpowered for most work.... oh, wait, this is linux, not windows, WOW!!!
[02:25:00] fryfrog: no no, not your dick... your iDick (or eDick?)
[02:25:00] dev-: you mac people are weird
[02:25:00] dev-: ;p
[02:25:00] fryfrog: haha
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[02:26:00] prologic: hi guys back again
[02:26:00] prologic: about my audio problems
[02:27:00] mofu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103574
[02:27:00] fryfrog: http://goatee.org/ibrator/ibrator.html
[02:27:00] prologic: ivtv-radio is somehow able to set mute to 0
[02:27:00] prologic: however I can't set it to 0 with ivtvctl -y mute=0 at all :/
[02:27:00] fryfrog: that was *much* funnier when the url was ibrator.com :)
[02:27:00] fryfrog: mofu: are you offering to give that cpu to me if i sleep with you?
[02:27:00] [Xander]: I'd like to build a fanless frontend... anyone used the epia's?
[02:28:00] prologic: yeh
[02:28:00] prologic: we have em at work
[02:28:00] prologic: afaik you can run them fanless
[02:28:00] mofu: fryfrog: errr, No.
[02:28:00] prologic: _can_
[02:28:00] prologic: I wouldn't though in my environment (no A/C)
[02:29:00] mofu: I think the M6000 board is fanless, and will handle MPEG2 streams w/ the right driver
[02:29:00] dev-: you dont need a cpu that expensive/powerful for a frontend
[02:30:00] dev-: can use a p3 1ghz and get away with it
[02:30:00] dev-: fanless as well
[02:30:00] mofu: need a pretty big heatsink for P3 1Ghz fanless . . . .
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[02:30:00] dev-: fits in a min-itx case with heatsink
[02:31:00] mofu: although, personally I prefer P3 to the Epia stuff
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[02:31:00] mofu: dev-: what heatsink?
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[02:32:00] [Xander]: i saw an epia that looked like it had composite out video...
[02:32:00] mofu: if you want to build a frontend w/ HP, just remember 120mm fans are GOOD
[02:32:00] mofu: Xander, an Epia is NOT going to do HD, so what's the point?
[02:33:00] [Xander]: i've burned up 2 fans in my amd64 in less than a year.
[02:33:00] mofu: 24/7? OEM case fans or good stuff?
[02:33:00] [Xander]: power supply fans
[02:33:00] Dagmar: More importantly, 120mm fans can be much quieter than 80mm fans because they don't have to spin as fast.
[02:33:00] mofu: amen
[02:34:00] [Xander]: i don't have HD...
[02:34:00] dev-: mofu: im not sure what the exact heatsink model is, its a bigass copper brick that barely fits in the case :)
[02:34:00] mofu: just saying don't worry about component out, not worth anything on SD
[02:35:00] mofu: dev-: lol . . .
[02:36:00] mofu: dev-: on a Mini-ITX P3 board??
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[02:40:00] dev-: yeah it was a p3, fanless, in a mini itx case
[02:40:00] dev-: used as a car pc
[02:41:00] dev-: oh hrm its not a p3, its a c3
[02:42:00] mofu: oh, big difference . . . .
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[03:15:00] jd86: i wish there was a way of starting transocding from mythweb.. or anyway without going into frontend
[03:20:00] Dagmar: It's called "using ssh"
[03:20:00] jd86: how can you do it...
[03:20:00] Dagmar: ssh hostname
[03:20:00] jd86: yea
[03:20:00] jd86: i know how to use ssh
[03:20:00] Dagmar: THen run nuvexport
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[03:20:00] Dagmar: It'll walk you through the rest
[03:21:00] jd86: but it will transcode the job as mythtv would?
[03:21:00] Dagmar: Yes.
[03:21:00] Dagmar: But, start screen before you run nuvexport so you can disconnect without killing the transcoding job
[03:21:00] jd86: i didn't know that
[03:22:00] jd86: and it will do all of the updating of whatever as mythtv would??i thought it was just used to export the nuv files into other formats for things other than myth
[03:24:00] Ryushin: Has anyone plaid with mythstream yet?
[03:25:00] dev-: yeah
[03:25:00] Ryushin: and.....
[03:25:00] dev-: and what? heh
[03:26:00] Ryushin: How did it work?
[03:26:00] dev-: works great.
[03:26:00] Ryushin: Did it work well enough.
[03:26:00] dev-: it streams stuff, does as advertised, heh, so yeah, it worked well enough :)
[03:26:00] dev-: it actually uses vlc
[03:26:00] dev-: "mythstream" is just some php and shell scripts
[03:27:00] Ryushin: Can you only start the stream from a shell account or can it be started from a browser?
[03:27:00] dev-: mythstream is supposed to be used in mythweb
[03:27:00] Ryushin: Very cool then. My wife will like that.
[03:27:00] dev-: there's actually nothing to do at all on cli except install/troubleshoot it to get it working
[03:28:00] dev-: its nice to watch tv at work over cable or something
[03:28:00] Dagmar: GNU parted
[03:28:00] Dagmar: wrong channel
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[03:28:00] Ryushin: Do you know if it compiles against the current svn?
[03:29:00] dev-: it doesnt compile.
[03:29:00] dev-: <dev-> "mythstream" is just some php and shell scripts
[03:29:00] dev-: ...
[03:29:00] dev-: you need to read the docs
[03:29:00] Ryushin: Freaking easy thing.
[03:29:00] dev-: and see the requirements
[03:29:00] Ryushin: I'll just download it and start working on it. Thanks dev.
[03:29:00] dev-: because you have to compile vlc with certain flags, codecs for vlc to use, etc.
[03:30:00] dev-: np :)
[03:30:00] dev-: its worth it in the end.
[03:30:00] Ryushin: Excellent. Here I come.
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[03:32:00] jd86: is there any decent documentation for nuvexport?
[03:32:00] Dagmar: It's menu driven.
[03:33:00] jd86: alright, i'll give it a try...
[03:33:00] jd86: will it compile against latest svn?
[03:33:00] jd86: or however it works? will it work with it?
[03:33:00] dev-: heh
[03:33:00] dev-: there are some funny questions in here sometimes
[03:33:00] Dagmar: You know, you will probably find that you don't need to ask these questions if you just look at the package
[03:33:00] dev-: questions that should be answered like, "damn dude just try it out"
[03:33:00] dev-: and/or "just read the stuff that comes with it when you untar it"
[03:33:00] dev-: hehe
[03:34:00] Dagmar: nuvexport is stupid simple.
[03:34:00] dev-: yeah heh
[03:34:00] dev-: althought i cant get it work remotely
[03:34:00] dev-: but i havent really looked into why.
[03:34:00] Dagmar: I'm pretty sure it has to be running on the backend machine
[03:34:00] dev-: yeah..
[03:35:00] dev-: i would up useing avidemux2 anyway for what i wanted to do. just wanted to transcode out commercials
[03:35:00] dev-: but found useing that was probably quicker
[03:35:00] dev-: was/is
[03:35:00] jd86: yea, but stupid simple takes time get the damned things it requires working, without ever reading what it requires because there weren't any docs besides a few manpages when i just 'untarred it'
[03:35:00] dev-: ive rarely seen a tarball without a readme
[03:35:00] dev-: or a refierence to ./docs
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[03:35:00] dev-: but whatever i dont feel like debating with you :P
[03:36:00] Dagmar: jd86: Dude, just download the package for nuvexport and look at it
[03:36:00] jd86: Dagmar: i did
[03:36:00] jd86: like 10 mins ago
[03:39:00] prologic: haha
[03:39:00] prologic: I'm so happy :)
[03:39:00] prologic: finally got audio working on my pvr-150 with ivtv
[03:39:00] dev-: no more audio problems? :)
[03:39:00] prologic: had to change the audio input to 0 :/
[03:39:00] prologic: nup
[03:39:00] prologic: working fine through mplayer right now :)
[03:40:00] prologic: now to get mythtv configured nicely
[03:40:00] prologic: it's such a pain in the asss ;)
[03:41:00] jd86: now i get to find out what one of these formats i want..
[03:43:00] prologic: can someone walk me through setting up mythtv (the backend) properly :)
[03:43:00] dev-: i know of someone who can
[03:43:00] dev-: mythtv.org!
[03:43:00] prologic: I'm from au, and have instaled xmltv and xmltvau which supplies the tv_grab_au script
[03:43:00] dev-: he rules
[03:43:00] dev-: has this section called docs
[03:43:00] dev-: they have so much information its unreal
[03:43:00] prologic: no
[03:43:00] prologic: seriously :)
[03:43:00] dev-: you going to pay me?
[03:43:00] prologic: if you knew the condition I suffer from you wouldn't tell me to go read more :)
[03:44:00] prologic: I'll make it worth your while :)
[03:44:00] dev-: i suffer from all kinds of conditions hehe
[03:44:00] prologic: haha
[03:44:00] prologic: http://shortcircuit.net.au/~prologic/JamesMills/AboutMe#toc2
[03:44:00] prologic: how about that one ?
[03:44:00] dev-: some even treated with drugs which is nice for saturday nights
[03:46:00] prologic: hmm I get a very bad black flashing at the top of the screen with mythfrontend
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[03:47:00] prologic: about 40–50 pixels hiehg and across the entire width of the screen
[03:49:00] cosmo_: does anyone know if the chaintech nvidia fx5200 lacks mpg decoding capabilities, I cant seem to find a definitive answer anywhere
[03:59:00] ** eidolon wakes up. **
[04:00:00] eidolon: anyone know hwere i can get the libdecss or whatever it's called so i can view / rip dvds?
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[04:03:00] dweller_: hey people
[04:04:00] Ryushin: eidolon: That's actually a forbiddon subject here. Dump this into your apt sources: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[04:04:00] eidolon: ooo. sorry. i have that on my debian sarge install. should i just use the same methodology?
[04:04:00] Ryushin: Yea.
[04:04:00] eidolon: righto sir.
[04:04:00] Ryushin: dweller_: Hey
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[04:06:00] dweller_: is there any simple way to enable a "shutdown" menu option in myth?
[04:06:00] eidolon: this is already uncommented in sources.list: #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:06:00] eidolon: er.
[04:06:00] eidolon: commented out.
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[04:09:00] eidolon: can i view a dvd while the tuner is occupied recording something off cable?
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[04:09:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Yea, won't be a problem.
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[04:09:00] eidolon: ok. *tosses a dvd in*
[04:10:00] dev-: dwller: there is an option in setup to enable shutdown on exit, then its another option
[04:10:00] Ryushin: dweller_: Do you use a remote control?
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[04:10:00] dev-: eidolon: yeah
[04:10:00] dweller_: Ryushin: no... just a mini keyboard
[04:10:00] Ryushin: Oh. I assigned a button on my remote to shutdown the box.
[04:11:00] eidolon: PERFECT.
[04:11:00] eidolon: xine fired up perfectly.
[04:11:00] dev-: dweller_: if you turn it on, when you exit the frontend it gives you the option on exit "No; Yes, Exit now; and Yes, Exit and Shutdown" — you mean that?
[04:11:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Did your pvr-150 card come with a remote control?
[04:11:00] dweller_: dev-: aaah that would work just fine.. is that a setting in the config file?
[04:12:00] dev-: eidolon: mythbackened is seperate from mythfrontend. mythfrontend is what plays your recordings back, plays dvds, etc. one doesnt interact with the other except for communication over mysql. and over mythbackeneds tcp port. thats it
[04:12:00] eidolon: yup it did. i'm assuming xine is configured to use the remote keystrokes.
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[04:12:00] dev-: dweller_: its in setup, somewhere, that lanbrynth of setup menus hehe
[04:12:00] eidolon: dev-: i was mostly curious if the mpeg encoder was being used when playing dvds. answer: "No."  :)
[04:12:00] dev-: dweller_: seeing if i can find it really quick on my frontend
[04:12:00] dweller_: dev-: hehe okay ill look at it
[04:13:00] dev-: hrm i know its in there somewhere
[04:13:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Would you like my lirc. It's configured for the remote and to have it use xine.
[04:13:00] dev-: i had to turn it on
[04:13:00] dev-: in order for it to ask
[04:13:00] dev-: in Utils,Settings->General a couple of screens in there's Confirm Exit and Halt command
[04:14:00] dev-: but im pretty sure there's also one somewhere, "shutdown on exit" or something similar
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[04:15:00] dev-: setting up the remote is the most timeconsuming part heh. i had to get it "girlfriend approved"
[04:15:00] dev-: many tweaks heh
[04:16:00] dweller_: dev-: hehehe
[04:16:00] dev-: she cant live without it now though hehe..
[04:16:00] dev-: her friends are jealous because of commercial skipping. one of them has tivo, keeps trying to get me to build a myth box for them
[04:17:00] dev-: no freaking way though. id have to support it too heh.
[04:17:00] dev-: commercial skipping and mythweather seem to be the ones they oogle over
[04:18:00] eidolon: Ryushin: perhaps, but not right now. i'm thinking i might just get a mini IR keyboard.
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[04:21:00] jroberts235: Where can I assign hot-keys to switch between Video, Tv, DVD etc. in Myth?
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[04:24:00] eidolon: hm, mythtv needs a screensaver :)
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[04:26:00] Dagmar: eidolon: XScreenSaver doesn't work for you?
[04:28:00] prologic: hmm
[04:28:00] prologic: how do you change the volume ?
[04:29:00] prologic: it turns the volume down on my card :/
[04:31:00] triplep: when exec irw, it just reurns a prompt, ideas?
[04:31:00] triplep: ps -ef |lircd
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[04:31:00] triplep: sorry
[04:36:00] eidolon: Dagmar: it wasn't enabled... or hasn't triggered.... maybe knoppmyth doesn't have it. i'll check
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[04:47:00] jemarcks: HELP. Im trying to install mythtv with yum and i get this error... Public key for libfame-0.9.1–0.lvn.3.4.i686.rpm is not installed
[04:48:00] _Nero_: jemarcks: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#gpgsig
[04:49:00] jemarcks: _nero_, thanks. ill look into it
[04:49:00] _Nero_: it isnt an error- just a warning- you can just hit "Y" if you dont want to install the PGP keys..
[04:50:00] _Nero_: so for the lvn packages- as root do this:
[04:50:00] _Nero_: rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY
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[04:53:00] jemarcks: _nero_, keys inported... re trying to yum install myth
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[04:55:00] _Nero_: working?
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[05:05:00] claimjump: it's probably an inherent limitation of the card, but does anybody know any tricks for speeding up channel changes on the pvr250?
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[05:23:00] jemarcks: _nero_, i am having a new problem installing lirc kernel modules. dag 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00
[05:23:00] jemarcks: /var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty
[05:24:00] _Nero_: jemarcks- never seen that one.. :/
[05:24:00] jemarcks: hmmm
[05:26:00] _Nero_: jemarcks-
[05:26:00] _Nero_: Wait a few minutes and try again..
[05:26:00] _Nero_: looks like that is caused by the server, and it usually clears up after a few minutes.
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[05:33:00] jemarcks: yep... its ok now.
[05:33:00] jemarcks: how anoying
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[05:34:00] _Nero_: yeah.. the night I was updating my server to FC4, all of the update/base servers went down for maintenance for like 4 hours.. drove me up a wall!
[05:34:00] dev-: heh yeah, that sucks
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[06:00:00] triplep: connection refused for irw when i'm trying to test lirc
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[06:09:00] cosmo_: anyone know if the chaintech 256 fx5200 card has mpg decoding?
[06:10:00] ** seekHim looks around the room **
[06:13:00] _Nero_: triplep- make sure you have the correct permissions for /dev/lircd
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[07:00:00] Dagmar: cosmo_: It's nVidia, so it should have MC support. Why you'd bother buying the 256Mb version I don't know tho
[07:00:00] GreyFoxx: hrm to sleep or not to sleep
[07:01:00] Dagmar: The 5200 is pretty slow for the stuff coming out now
[07:01:00] bigslam: that is the question
[07:02:00] GreyFoxx: I just processed another 20k updates to my rom database, that might be enough for tonight heh
[07:02:00] bigslam: hmm roms do u play them on myth?
[07:02:00] GreyFoxx: via mythgame yes
[07:03:00] bigslam: hmm do you use a controler?
[07:03:00] GreyFoxx: I'm workingon a big rom database that it will use for a source of info about roms. Publisher, year of release, genre, etc etc
[07:03:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[07:03:00] bigslam: hmm i wonder how a xbox 360 controler works:P
[07:03:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[07:04:00] bigslam: what kinda system do you have?
[07:04:00] GreyFoxx: for myth ?
[07:04:00] bigslam: yep
[07:04:00] GreyFoxx: I have 2 backends, 4 frontends (3 pc based and one mediamvp)
[07:04:00] bigslam: 2 back why?
[07:04:00] JeepJerk: is there any advantage to running directfb over x?
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: bigslam: 3 tuners in 1, 1 dvb card in the other
[07:05:00] bigslam: your mb only has 4 slots?
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: running out of slots, and it allows me to mess with one without taking everything out. Or just update one and not the other
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: No, but I have other cards in there as well.
[07:05:00] bigslam: ahh
[07:06:00] GreyFoxx: IDE controllers
[07:06:00] bigslam: I have a DVB card i dont use it
[07:06:00] GreyFoxx: the master backend has all of the drives in it as well
[07:07:00] GreyFoxx: a couple more days of updates and I'll commit the new changes. let others start testing it
[07:08:00] triplep: rrr. chown'd /dev/lircd to 666 but still not accepting connections
[07:11:00] JeepJerk: hmm, is directfb still active?
[07:11:00] GreyFoxx: Its rare to see a myth user talk about it
[07:13:00] updatelee: 5200 vs 6600, is there really any difference when it comes to myth ?
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[07:18:00] JeepJerk: I'm trying to figure out if its just a slim framebuffer or a compromise on rendering performance
[07:19:00] seekHim: Ok, what's up with this? I gave mythtv the hostname, started the backend, and it tells me that one or the other has a problem.
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[07:23:00] seekHim: Oh, wait... the backend isn't starting. What'd I miss?
[07:23:00] SlicerDicer-: hey GreyFoxx I was just thinking
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[07:24:00] SlicerDicer-: I was thinking about the dvd I just rented I was looking at the back of it.. it says this disk is copy protected thats all well and good... but why on earth would it say on the disk when you play it that you cannot copy it... is that like double redundency or what? LOL!!
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[07:25:00] GreyFoxx: Just like places say "protected by xxxxxx security". It's a deterent to people who wont bother if they feel it might not work or be some effort
[07:25:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[07:26:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah but its not like a sign like that
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[07:27:00] SlicerDicer-: people typically have giant signs that say "PROTECTED BY FOO" the dvd notice on the back of the dvd is the size of a dunno its that small I cant equate it to anything
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[07:28:00] SlicerDicer-: anyway I just found it amusing is all
[07:28:00] GreyFoxx: :)
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[07:41:00] JeepJerk: hello all
[07:41:00] JeepJerk: am I mistaken in remembering something about mythtv working with directfb?
[07:42:00] Dagmar: It does in theory
[07:42:00] Dagmar: I've never tried to use it, but I see the configure option staring at me when i build the thing
[07:43:00] JeepJerk: hmm, any ideas what dependencies QT has on X?
[07:44:00] Dagmar: Nope.
[07:44:00] Dagmar: I don't see many packagers building it without X tho.
[07:44:00] JeepJerk: well, I don't use packages ;)
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[07:49:00] bigslam: know what would be nice a client for Movielink.com for mythtv
[07:50:00] JeepJerk: like the mythmovie thing?
[07:50:00] bigslam: oh is there one:P?
[07:51:00] JeepJerk: oh ic, just went to the page
[07:51:00] bigslam: ya
[07:51:00] JeepJerk: do you know what format they download in?
[07:51:00] bigslam: wmv
[07:51:00] bigslam: drm i think it uses
[07:52:00] JeepJerk: yeah, I don't think mythtv will like tht
[07:52:00] JeepJerk: I don't think linux will even do that
[07:52:00] bigslam: yea probley but just saying it would be a neat idea:P
[07:52:00] JeepJerk: agreed
[07:52:00] JeepJerk: for now it'll have to be bittorrent and mythvideo
[07:52:00] GreyFoxx: You can play windows media format files under linux.
[07:53:00] bigslam: yea with the codec
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[07:54:00] JeepJerk: GreyFoxx: with drm?
[07:54:00] GreyFoxx: I've yet to come across any that wouldn't play
[07:54:00] bigslam: i think its called drm:P
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[07:55:00] bigslam:
[07:55:00] bigslam: stands for digital rights management
[07:55:00] GreyFoxx: And .... ? So ?
[07:56:00] GreyFoxx: You think you will encounter many people in this channel that don't know what DRM stood for ? :)
[07:56:00] bigslam: oh
[07:56:00] bigslam: sorry thought he said whats drm
[07:56:00] bigslam: my bad
[07:56:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[07:57:00] JeepJerk: I have some wma's that won't play
[07:57:00] JeepJerk: haven't messed around with them much tho I confess
[07:59:00] bigslam: or something like http://www.rentmydvr.com/eng/index.asp
[07:59:00] bigslam: oh
[07:59:00] bigslam: forgot thats shows i think:P
[08:05:00] opello: so, the time just rolled back, and my guide seems a bit off (cartoon network says inuyasha should be on, and fullmetal alchemist is on, but that's supposed to start at 1:30
[08:06:00] opello: and it's the wrong episode... hrm
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[09:10:00] grnfvr: so with this ability to control certain external set top boxes
[09:10:00] grnfvr: i could get digital cable on one HD capable reciever and watch it from any mythtv client?
[09:10:00] grnfvr: or dvr it and rewatch it on any mythtv client?
[09:12:00] bazil: !seen o_cee
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[10:48:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I managed to track down the source of those system "hangs"; thanks for the tip about just leaving an ssh connection open, as that did in fact work. Turns out that on occasion, the system becomes *almost* completely non-responsive, but an open ssh connection seems to work, though it is barely responsive. I'm not sure, but I think it is due to a mythtranscode process hogging the system, though mythtranscode doesn't usually do so.
[10:49:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: The mythtranscode processes are already niced down to 17, but apparently that isn't sufficient. Pushing them down to 19 helps slightly, but still doesn't leave the system very responsive.
[10:50:00] JoshTriplett: Is there any way to tell the backend that it should never run transcode jobs while doing anything else?
[10:51:00] Dagmar: That close to 20 it can't really be what's holding things up.
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[10:51:00] JoshTriplett: Usually, transcoding runs almost at real-time (one second transcoded per second). The process causing the problem right now is transcoding one second per minute, which is why I think it is the culprit.
[10:51:00] Dagmar: You've got something related to it's operation spinning. Probably something like a disk write
[10:51:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Hmmm.
[10:51:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: How might I determine what that is?
[10:52:00] Dagmar: I've actually no idea, but it fairly rules out transcode
[10:52:00] Dagmar: ...unless transcode is running a subprocess that isn't getting the hint about nice leves
[10:52:00] Dagmar: er levels
[10:53:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Nope; mythtranscode and its child process are both niced down.
[10:53:00] Dagmar: Myth isn't recording or playing then is it?
[10:54:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: One show is recording.
[10:54:00] Dagmar: Hmm...
[10:55:00] Dagmar: If there's always something recording when this happens, then I'd be pretty suspicious of myth
[10:55:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Looking at the top display, it doesn't look like any of the ivtv kernel threads are using notable resources.
[10:55:00] Dagmar: I know I'm getting occasional spontaneous reboots about three times a day when recording.
[10:55:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Generally; usually when two or three recordings are happening simultaneously, which is why it seems odd that it is happening right now with one.
[10:56:00] Dagmar: ...but I think my issue is the way I've got the power buses distributed. The machine never crashes when it's not writing to the second drive, which happens to be on the same molex run as the 6600Gt
[10:56:00] JoshTriplett: Anything in particular I could check before this recording ends in 5 minutes?
[10:56:00] Dagmar: Nothing that I know about
[10:56:00] Dagmar: I'm lost when it comes to exploring what is going on in the kernel in fine detail
[10:57:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Well, I seriously doubt any kind of heat problem, since the case has good ventilation and a non-space-heater processor.
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[10:57:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Similarly for power.
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[11:00:00] Dagmar: If I remember correctly the chart on the side of my PSU says that one of my molex buses is exceptionally wimpy.
[11:00:00] JoshTriplett: Oh joy.
[11:00:00] Dagmar: I think I'm going to put the two hard drives and optical on the same bus and give the video card just that one bus to itself.
[11:01:00] ** JoshTriplett doesn't even *have* a video card in the box. **
[11:02:00] JoshTriplett: The integrated video is sitting idle (displaying a text console to a video port which isn't hooked up), and all the video is going through the PVR-350.
[11:04:00] Dagmar: I got the (first draft) of the guide for installing the Dropline MythTV packages up on the wiki earlier.
[11:04:00] Dagmar: I'm hoping to have a flash of insight of some kind about the mysql crap before tomorrow.  :0
[11:06:00] Dagmar: I'm torn between just making a shell script that manipulates Volkerding's mysql package and actually making a properly chrooted deployment of mysql for the thing
[11:06:00] Dagmar: I'll catch hell from people either way about it, I'm sure
[11:07:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Well, in that case, I'd suggest going with the method that is 1) what you are actually using, and 2) as close to the stock shipped configuration as possible. ( (1) and (2) may well be completely different, of course. :) )
[11:07:00] Dagmar: They are.
[11:08:00] Dagmar: PAt's build uses --skip-networking, but that's about as far as he goes towards securing the mysql installation
[11:09:00] Dagmar: I figure if I do anything to it I might as well go the full monte and just piss off everyone
[11:09:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: How about providing the minimal changes to the stock mechanism as the recommended route, and point out that if you need something more secure you should do X, Y, and Z.
[11:09:00] Dagmar: I don't expect anyone in their right mind is going to go and use their production MySQL database for their MythTV stuff
[11:10:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: Considering that I know more about security than easily 95% of the users out there, me saying that would be more or less pissing into the wind
[11:10:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I suspect a huge majority of the people running MythTV only need MySQL for MythTV.
[11:10:00] Dagmar: Yeah, this is why I'm thinking it's no big deal to just blow the original package out of the system and replace it with one that's been chrooted, had the anonymous account yanked, passwords set and so forth.
[11:11:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Well, how many people do you think are really in an environment where they need to be securing MySQL?
[11:11:00] Dagmar: I don't think it would be optimal to have two different setups going, and I would rather not have people exposing something like this to their networks without it being at _least_ chrooted
[11:12:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: It's actually not that hard to chroot the thing
[11:12:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: "their networks" generally being "people who have physical access to the system anyway", for most home users.
[11:12:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I'm not suggesting that it is.
[11:13:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but some people are going to want to run the backend down in the basement or something.
[11:13:00] ** JoshTriplett is probably just used to other distros, where it is highly uncommon to ignore the distro package and roll your own. **
[11:13:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Why would that affect security issues?
[11:14:00] Dagmar: Doesn't the frontend talk to the mysql server as well?
[11:14:00] Dagmar: ...and at the very least, the backend would be talking to the frontend over the network at that point.
[11:14:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Yes.
[11:14:00] Dagmar: UNtil someone does an audit I'm not going to take a chance on being part of something that can be rooted from the default install.
[11:15:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: But unless you have people on your network that you don't trust, or you need a second line of security beyond your firewall.
[11:15:00] Dagmar: Ah but it's not just me.
[11:15:00] Dagmar: People *other* than me install my packages.
[11:15:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Oh, I wouldn't suggest going with something passwordless by default, if that's what you mean.
[11:15:00] Dagmar: Gimp, Evolution, Inkscape, and a few others I build for Dropline. We've got a few thousand users from what we can tell.
[11:16:00] Dagmar: Well, closer to a couple thousand, but I still do my damndest to make sure they can't hurt themselves with my binaries
[11:17:00] Dagmar: ...and those people do silly things on a regular basis, like forward huge ranges of ports, run unsecured wireless apps, run their desktop *as* a firewall and so forth.
[11:17:00] Dagmar: s/apps/APs/
[11:17:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Ah, I see; I misunderstood your target. I thought you were just talking about a related set of packages for running MythTV, not all of Dropline.
[11:17:00] Dagmar: I'm talking about both actually.
[11:18:00] Dagmar: I've put together these packages atop Slack 10.2/Dropline 2.12, just because we've got a *huge* field of multimedia codec problems already licked.
[11:18:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Well, regardless, now that I understand that: go for the secured-out-the-wazoo package, no matter how insecure the default distro is.
[11:19:00] Dagmar: From here on out I think I'm really going to just push for people to get the PVR Hauppage cards, or use TVTime instead
[11:19:00] Dagmar: It's actually useable to simply have a desktop icon to start the frontend
[11:19:00] Dagmar: Except for the spontaneous rebooting, I've barely been able to tell when the backend is recording stuff
[11:20:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: The Hauppauge cards do seem like the optimal solution; near-zero CPU usage, high quality, and not particularly expensive anymore.
[11:22:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: newegg has the 150 for $72, and the 500 for $138.
[11:23:00] Dagmar: Yep. Thats' where I got my 500 from
[11:23:00] Dagmar: Actually, no I got it from Directron. No tax
[11:23:00] Dagmar: I gotta order a BUNCHA new stuff tomorrow I think
[11:23:00] JoshTriplett: Cool; what kind of stuff? :)
[11:23:00] Dagmar: I managed to get a 64bit 3200+ system with a Gb of RAM down to $400 or so
[11:24:00] JoshTriplett: Nice.
[11:24:00] Dagmar: 2x512Mb RAM, ASRock 939Dual-SATA motherboard, 64-bit Venice 3200+ CPU, burlwood-lookin' case and a thermaltake power supply
[11:24:00] JoshTriplett: Disk?
[11:25:00] JoshTriplett: Or just a bare system?
[11:26:00] Dagmar: I'm going to keep using the WD1200JB that I've got as my main drive now
[11:27:00] Dagmar: The WD2500JB is going to stay in the chassis I'm currently using and it's going to become a full-time MythTV box
[11:27:00] Dagmar: ...and if the hardware keeps screwing up the annoying thing is that I've already found a place to get a 32-bit 3200 barebones for $200 that would probably eliminate the issue in one stroke and leave me with some spare parts besides
[11:29:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Ah, so the new system will become your new desktop?
[11:29:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Allowing your current desktop+myth box to become a dedicated myth box?
[11:30:00] Dagmar: Yep
[11:30:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Cool.
[11:30:00] Dagmar: This is part of the reason it's pissing me off that the hardware is acting up with just the addition of hte new hard drive
[11:31:00] Dagmar: I'd been expecting to have complete confidence in it's stability by virtue of it having been my main desktop for a bit over a year
[11:35:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Do you just have the 500 in your box, or do you have any other capture cards as well?
[11:35:00] Dagmar: Just the 500.
[11:35:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Have you tried turning off ACPI and preemption?
[11:35:00] Dagmar: I've got a pair of bt878 cards around here somewhere but they're just not that useful
[11:35:00] Dagmar: I've not tried turning off either of those things
[11:35:00] JoshTriplett: Highly recommended.
[11:36:00] Dagmar: Have their been problem reports related to those things then?
[11:36:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Both interact nastily with ivtv, according to many reports.
[11:37:00] JoshTriplett: My myth box goes into molasses-in-winter mode after about five minutes if I run with ACPI.
[11:38:00] JoshTriplett: I haven't tried running with preemption on at all.
[11:38:00] Dagmar: Weird. I've got that set to the most desktop-friendly setting at the moment. I'll try turning them both off.
[11:38:00] Dagmar: ..although I will probably wind up turning ACPI back on just so I can get signals from the power button
[11:38:00] JoshTriplett: Well, you could try one or the other to see if it is only one.
[11:39:00] JoshTriplett: ACPI is easy to try without, since you can just pass an option on the kernel command line.
[11:40:00] JoshTriplett: I've seen some messages on the ivtv mailing list talking about this-and-that fixed with preemption; I've just seen too many reports of issues with it to want to bother.
[11:41:00] Dagmar: I'll be switching to a fully monolithic kernel (well, excepting ivtv) when I make the box dedicated
[11:43:00] Dagmar: ...so I'm trying to avoid having to pass any command-line options at all
[11:43:00] JoshTriplett: Command-line options can be passed to a monolithic kernel.
[11:44:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but then if I boot from a CD or something I'm going to have to rememebr to pass those same arguments, so I don't disable things from the command line if I cna just remove them entirely.
[11:45:00] JoshTriplett: True enough.
[11:45:00] Dagmar: I've broken my equipment enough times to know where I'm looking for trouble.  ;)
[11:48:00] JoshTriplett: Do you know if there is any option I can set to avoid running mythtranscode jobs at the same time as a recording?
[11:48:00] JoshTriplett: I see the option for restricting by time of day, but that isn't what I'm looking for.
[11:49:00] Dagmar: I haven't seen an option to do that yet
[11:50:00] JoshTriplett: OK. Thanks.
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[11:52:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: What's your opinion on making the frontend setuid root so it can take advantage of realtime scheduling?
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[12:00:00] banyan: Any ideas on this one? When I try to start mythbackend as "service mythbackend start" it uses the wrong credentials to try and log into mysql. But when I start it as root, it's fine. I don't get it... I looked for multiple copies of mysql.txt and there's only the one in /etc/mythtv.
[12:01:00] JoshTriplett: banyan: Sounds like you've got mysql using ident-based authentication.
[12:01:00] JoshTriplett: banyan: i.e. it matters which user you are attempting to connect as.
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[12:01:00] banyan: using whatnow?
[12:01:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: Well, personally I figure if someone can manage to exploit a buffer overflow through the keyboard or my IR reciever, they're more leet than I can really do anything about.
[12:01:00] Dagmar: ;)
[12:02:00] banyan: I did read that the frontend uses your local ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt if there is one.
[12:02:00] JoshTriplett: banyan: One MySQL authorization method is "these local users are permitted access". The set of local users might be "root only".
[12:04:00] banyan: Well, it's using different user name to attempt to log in based on whether I started it as "service mythbackend start" or just start it from the command line.
[12:05:00] JoshTriplett: banyan: I suggest reading http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
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[12:06:00] banyan: When you start a service with "service", what user is the service started as?
[12:07:00] banyan: Thanks for the reference Josh.
[12:08:00] JoshTriplett: I'm not familiar with the "service" mechanism (other than the basic syntax), but you should check the mythbackend init.d script to see what user it is started as. I suggest running it as the dedicated user "mythtv".
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[12:12:00] banyan: It's started as the user who owns the script is it?
[12:15:00] Dagmar: So far as I know, unless you've done something special, the service() function just starts the stuff as root befcause it doesn't care what uids are
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[12:20:00] banyan: Besides the script is owned by root.
[12:26:00] Dagmar: Unless something's been done to FC's functions file that I'm unaware of, it does nothing special with uids just because you start the thing with service()
[12:38:00] banyan: it's a silly problem. Don't know why it always just worked before and now it's giving me grief.
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[13:01:00] jono: I need to map the arrow keys on my remote control to mythtv – does anyone know what the up, down, left and right definitions are for lirc?
[13:05:00] Dagmar: Here's fun. Pricing a power supply I'm actually having to pay $4 more to get a model without an LED in the fan. Heh
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[13:33:00] Juski: .
[13:34:00] laga: Juski: heya :)
[13:42:00] jono: I need to set up my lirc bindings for mplayer, do I just put definitions in my .mythtv/lircrc ?
[13:42:00] laga: jono: you could do that, but make sure to symlink it to ~/.lircrc
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[13:44:00] jono: still isnt working
[13:45:00] jono: does this look right as an mplayer definition in lircrc:
[13:45:00] jono: begin
[13:45:00] jono: button = VOLUME_PLUS
[13:45:00] jono: prog = mplayer
[13:45:00] jono: config = Vol+
[13:45:00] jono: repeat = 1
[13:45:00] jono: end
[13:45:00] ** laga doesn't know **
[13:45:00] jono: Vol+ is in /etc/lircd.conf as the vol up key
[13:46:00] jono: hmmm
[13:46:00] jono: what do you have in your conf file?
[13:47:00] laga: do you have it symlinked to ~/.lircrc ?
[13:47:00] jono: yeah
[13:49:00] laga: that's an exampl for my config
[13:49:00] laga: begin
[13:49:00] laga: prog = mplayer
[13:49:00] laga: button = FULL
[13:49:00] laga: repeat = 3
[13:49:00] laga: config = vo_fullscreen
[13:49:00] laga: end
[13:52:00] jono: its working now :)
[13:53:00] jono: do yuou guys use mplayer or xine for dvd playback?
[13:53:00] laga: xine is supposed to be better because it supports dvd menus
[13:53:00] jono: yeah
[13:53:00] jono: I just discovered that
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[13:56:00] Juski: o hiya laga.. I reset my cable modem & I was just checking I got back online okay
[13:56:00] ** Juski has the hangover from hell today **
[13:57:00] laga: hehe
[13:57:00] ** laga was a good boy yesterday **
[13:58:00] Juski: only yesterday, laga? ;-)
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[13:59:00] laga: Juski: well, i had the hangover from hell on friday, so... ;)
[14:00:00] Juski: AH
[14:00:00] Juski: ooops
[14:00:00] Juski: doing some icons to help recuperate
[14:01:00] laga: hehe ;)
[14:01:00] Juski: colouring in is good for me when I'm like this
[14:01:00] laga: make sure to use decent colours, they're easier on the eyes
[14:01:00] Juski: you should see some of the UK TV channel logos.. ugh
[14:02:00] laga: hehe
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[14:19:00] Juski: was jono the guy who was trying to get minimyth working the other day?
[14:27:00] laga: i don't know
[14:28:00] CanadaBoy: minimyth?
[14:29:00] Juski: CanadaBoy: minimyth is a ready to go mythtv frontend-only distro for EPIA based systems
[14:30:00] CanadaBoy: o nice ...
[14:30:00] Juski: it is, yes
[14:30:00] Juski: :)
[14:30:00] CanadaBoy: i should look into that im looking at building a frontend
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[14:32:00] Juski: I love it – the system is SO quiet.. I mean silent :) Won't do HD when it comes to the UK without a serious upgrade though :(
[14:33:00] Juski: pesky little 1Ghz CPU lol
[14:34:00] laga: ;)
[14:35:00] laga: the HDD in my pundit is very loud, i'm probably going to make it diskless as well
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[14:37:00] Juski: I need to modify (vandalise) my silverstone case to integrate the IR receiver
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[14:38:00] Juski: thing is that case cost me £100 (! I know !) and it'd be painful if I mess it up
[14:38:00] laga: hehe
[14:38:00] laga: drill time ;)
[14:38:00] Juski: it's Dremel time... muhahahahaha
[14:39:00] Juski: not today with my shaking hands though lol
[14:39:00] laga: ;)
[14:39:00] laga: a few beers should fix that ;)
[14:39:00] Juski: ugh
[14:40:00] laga: please don't thro up :>
[14:40:00] laga: throw*
[14:43:00] Juski: heh. as if
[14:45:00] gakalkag: hello
[14:45:00] gakalkag: Does anyone here run mythtv on a EPIA SP8000E. I'm running minimyth-0.18.1.7 and i got some issues with HW mpeg2 decoding I think. It looks like my mythtv was set up to use LiveTV @ 480x480 and 4500kbps. When I try increase to 720x576 my EPIA starts dropping frames.
[14:48:00] Juski: gakalkag: I'm running it on an EPIA M10k
[14:49:00] Juski: only xvid & divx seem to cause it high CPU usage
[14:49:00] gakalkag: can u run 720x576?
[14:49:00] Juski: yeah – DVB mpeg2 TS – seems fine
[14:50:00] gakalkag: im using a pvr500
[14:50:00] Juski: maybe try lowering the bitrate a tad until it stops dropping frames
[14:52:00] gakalkag: yes i did drop the bitrate and had to reduce to something less than 720x576.
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[14:57:00] Juski: what screen resolution are you using, gakalkag?
[14:58:00] Juski: might have a bearing on things if it's having to rescale it aswell as decode
[14:59:00] eidolon: so do folks set their hardware clocks to universal time, and then set their TZ?
[15:00:00] Dagmar: Yes.
[15:00:00] Dagmar: Setting your hardware clock to GMT/UTC is the correct thing to do--provided you're not also running Windows on another partition.
[15:01:00] Dagmar: Windows has no freaking idea what UTC is and will stubbornly insist on storing the *local* time in the hardware clock.
[15:01:00] Dagmar: ...apparently so they can make a big deal out of actually noticing there's a DST change and changing your clock.
[15:01:00] Dagmar: Yes, them doing that is exactly as dumb as it sounds.
[15:04:00] Dagmar: gakalkag: How the heck did you get the PVR-500 to feed you video at 720x576? Is that in the svn codebase and not in 0.18.1 or something?
[15:05:00] Dagmar: Oh, I see what version you're running.
[15:05:00] Dagmar: What are you using for decoding? Unichrome (not sure if it's on that version) with XvMC or libmpeg2?
[15:05:00] eidolon: Dagmar: yah, that was my hose-factor. i just fixed it, and i also found the 'offset' setting in mythtv-setup. (problem was listings were showing up shifted ac ouple hours the wrong way)
[15:05:00] eidolon: so i resetmy hardware clock, purged the listings, set the offset to 'AUto' – now i'm rerunning mythfilldatabase
[15:06:00] eidolon: and i'm making sure my local TZ is correct:)
[15:06:00] Dagmar: eidolon: I expect that they'll probably fixor that soon so that it actually looks at TZ instead of needlessly pestering us about it
[15:06:00] ** eidolon noddities. **
[15:06:00] Dagmar: Using TZ to determine the local time and working through glibc()'s time/date routines will always produce correct results
[15:06:00] eidolon: we did a recording last night, and it worked like a champ (woot!)
[15:06:00] Dagmar: GOod stuff
[15:07:00] Dagmar: I'm going to have to pull the svn source and make packages of it to see what's up with the higher res modes
[15:07:00] eidolon: i can already see the interest in getting a second tuner :)
[15:07:00] Dagmar: Part of the reason I got the PVR-500 was that I saw it could capture at that detailed mode, but I've yet to convince 0.18.1 to let me set something higher than 640x480
[15:07:00] eidolon: i also bought one of the woot.com 250gig drives, so I'll be moving the /myth volume over to that in the next week.
[15:08:00] eidolon: cool.
[15:08:00] Dagmar: woot.com? How much did you pay for it?
[15:08:00] gakalkag: Im not sure what it actually feeds me but the quality got better when I increase from 480x480 in "recording profiles"
[15:08:00] eidolon: higher res would be nice.
[15:08:00] eidolon: $69
[15:08:00] eidolon: plus shipping.
[15:08:00] ** eidolon [hearts] woot.com **
[15:08:00] Dagmar: Hmm... that's a bit cheaper than I paid for mine, but I got the Western Digital 8Mb cache 250Gb drive for about $92
[15:08:00] eidolon: sec
[15:08:00] Dagmar: ...mainly because I have had a total of two WD drives _ever_ go bad on me
[15:09:00] eidolon: http://www.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=381 <-- Western DIgital Caviar 250gig 7200 RPM EIDI drive.
[15:09:00] eidolon: EIDE rather.
[15:09:00] Dagmar: ...out of at least 30 of them personally owned. I remember replacing bad WD drives in people's machines when I was a field technician maybe a half dozen times, but twice that for Seagate and pretty commonly for Quantum (now Maxtor, although they've gotten a little better since the merger)
[15:10:00] Dagmar: The five year warranty on the WDs is rather attractive as well
[15:10:00] Dagmar: I almost felt bad about calling in the warranty on the 800Mb drive.
[15:10:00] Dagmar: They sent me a 2.1Gb because they didn't have anything like the 800Mb in stock anymore.  :)
[15:10:00] _Nero_: humm wonder how long until 500gb drives are sub-$150.. ;;)
[15:10:00] eidolon: see, i think eveyrones experience on HD replacement / failure is different... a drive manufactured this year is so different than what was built 2 years ago, etc. for me, seagates rocked the world. there was a time when maxtors sucked, then maxtors rocked, then...
[15:11:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: At the rate we're going, 18 months max.
[15:11:00] eidolon: i'd say less than that.
[15:11:00] eidolon: i call it 12 mo.
[15:11:00] _Nero_: I'm guessing about a year as well..
[15:11:00] Dagmar: Yeah, HD's tend to race up Moore's Law a bit
[15:11:00] _Nero_: At that point, its time for a terrabyte media server.. mmmm.. wife is going to kill me..
[15:11:00] Dagmar: ...but I figure even if typhoons wipe out production facilities it'll be inside of 18 months.
[15:11:00] eidolon: not sure if this is taboo material or not, but is the 'import cd' function as disted with knoppmyth functional?
[15:11:00] eidolon: it just sort of blinks out on me.
[15:12:00] Dagmar: Dunno.
[15:12:00] eidolon: also, i've been having problemw ith text boxes in mythtv not displaying – they get chopped off – as if the font size is improper.
[15:12:00] Dagmar: I will say this, *don't* use dpkg update until you've spoken with someone involved in KnoppMyth about it
[15:12:00] _Nero_: eidolon- as for the import CD, can you get a CD to play in mythmusic?
[15:12:00] eidolon: _Nero_: nuh uh.
[15:12:00] Dagmar: I tried it a few days ago and it basically scrambled my Knoppmyth test install. 8)
[15:12:00] eidolon: ow.
[15:13:00] _Nero_: Ok.. I know what is going on with that one..
[15:13:00] _Nero_: but you wont like the fix.. :/
[15:13:00] Dagmar: Well if it can't play a CD then it's not going to do well to read one for importing.
[15:13:00] eidolon: the only pkg i've done through apt is... er... one related to dvds.
[15:13:00] eidolon: oddly, it did, once, show the cddb info of the cd i put in.
[15:13:00] eidolon: _Nero_: uh oh.
[15:13:00] gakalkag: I tried to enable XvMC in my minimyth-0.18.1.7 but i get a :"unable to initialize video"
[15:13:00] eidolon: "install windows"?
[15:13:00] Dagmar: gakalkag: What video card do you have?
[15:14:00] gakalkag: Im using a EPIA SP8000E
[15:14:00] Dagmar: XvMC only very recently (like last week) became "mostly" correct with nVidia
[15:14:00] Dagmar: gakalkag: That's the mainboard (I think). I'm asking about the video chipset.
[15:15:00] gakalkag: Integrated VIA UniChrome?Pro AGP graphics with MPEG-2 decoder /MPEG-4 Accelerator
[15:15:00] Dagmar: Ah... Unichrome.
[15:15:00] _Nero_: eidolon- there is actually a problem in libcdaudio, and you need to patch it to get it to work with mythmusic..
[15:15:00] _Nero_: :/
[15:16:00] Dagmar: That;' something you'll definitely want to ask someone in #KnoppMyth about. All I can tell you about it is that that's another thing that just got recently working at all, and I'm not sure if XvMC works properly with it yet.
[15:16:00] Dagmar: Ah. New kernel is done. Time phor rebooting
[15:16:00] eidolon: _Nero_: ick.
[15:16:00] eidolon: well, i think i'l need to do a 'from source' build at somepoint, but i think i'll run with knoppmyth and just enjoy watching tv and recording shows for a while. then i'll start tuning / fidgeting with it.
[15:17:00] eidolon: btw, did a blog post about getting knoppmyth running yesterday: http://planet-geek.com/
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[15:17:00] eidolon: and on that note, i'm gonna get some coffee and have some pancakes with the housemates. back in a while.
[15:17:00] _Nero_: if you were to do a gdb on it, it is probably a buffer overflow in libcdaudio.. at least that is what it was that was plaguing FC4 people..
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[15:45:00] Dagmar: Okay. Hopefully disabling preemptive kernel behaviour and dropping back from ACPI to APM will let this thing go all day recording stuff.
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[16:01:00] eidolon: back – can the boxes on the PGM wrap? getting only the first 10 characters of a listing is pretty slim...
[16:01:00] Dagmar: I've not seem them do more than one line per channel yet
[16:02:00] ** eidolon nodnods. **
[16:02:00] eidolon: my friend is watching a soccer game recorded last night
[16:02:00] eidolon: this is so cool 8)
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: Which boxes areyou referring to ?
[16:02:00] eidolon: On the PGM, it'lls ay something like [Masterpiece Th....]
[16:02:00] Dagmar: in the program guide.
[16:03:00] Dagmar: All you can really do (afaik) is change the font size down or reduce the number of time blocks it shows
[16:03:00] eidolon: where do you change the font size? (i was also having problems with fonts being cut off in menus and what not)
[16:03:00] Dagmar: I'm running at 1600x1200 so it's not much of an issue for me.  ;)
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: That's generally referring to as the EPG :)
[16:03:00] eidolon: GreyFoxx: ah, sorry. i'm only in day 2 here :)
[16:03:00] GreyFoxx: Can't remember how many characters I see
[16:03:00] Dagmar: eidolon: Oh god I have no idea where any of that stuff is.
[16:04:00] Dagmar: I still have to just systematically go through every submenu in the entire setup area
[16:04:00] Dagmar: I have learned that *eventually* I find the right placce
[16:04:00] eidolon: heh
[16:04:00] Dagmar: At some point I am going to go through the source and tear a LOT of those things out by the roots.
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[16:05:00] eidolon: we're currently watching on a 21" Nokia VGA monitor... which is still bigger than the tv i had through most of my upbringing :)
[16:05:00] Dagmar: It's storing all this junk in the database. I'll just go make the configuration changes there if I need to.
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: The setup menus have grown very organically. I'm sure a lot of them could be rearranged
[16:05:00] eidolon: but i could see a real tv monitor in my future.
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[16:06:00] Dagmar: eidolon: I picked up a 20" flat screen tele at the local Wal-mart last month for $100, just because it has s-video and composite inputs.
[16:06:00] eidolon: hm. when using the composite or s-videoout on the tuner card, does the mythtv screen stay active? so you have a VGA displaying channel / recording / menu info, the other showing the playback?
[16:06:00] eidolon: Dagmar: whoah.
[16:06:00] eidolon: icould do that. this nokia is enormous.
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: eiggirC: What kind of capture card ?
[16:06:00] ** eidolon assumes that was for me. **
[16:06:00] eidolon: PVR-150
[16:07:00] Dagmar: Non-flat panel stuff has gotten dirt cheap now that everyone is trying to get rid of it
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: That does NOT have any outputs
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: those are all inputs
[16:07:00] eidolon: aha.
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[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: the 350 is the only PVR xxx cards with outputs
[16:07:00] eidolon: okay.
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[16:09:00] eidolon: i like the idea of sort of 'dual screens – one showing system status / information, the other showing the video.
[16:10:00] Dagmar: I liked the idea, too, but that's why I have two monitors now anyway
[16:10:00] Dagmar: My desk threatens to plummet into the apartment below.
[16:10:00] _Nero_: is there an affordable HTPC case out there??
[16:10:00] eidolon: heh. well, i'm up to 3 monitors around my desk now ;)
[16:10:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: Depends on how much money "afforable" is supposed to be
[16:10:00] eidolon: i have 2 17" flat screens – that i do my work on.
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[16:11:00] eidolon: now the third is the mythtv output.
[16:11:00] _Nero_: haha.. yeah.. I suppose so.. about the cheapest I am finding (with any sort of quality) is $250+..
[16:11:00] Dagmar: Try a 17" Princeton and a 19" Trinitron and a 20" TV.
[16:11:00] eidolon: http://planet-geek.com/images/pa110116.jpg
[16:11:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: That's about as good as it gets unless you want to go Shuttle
[16:11:00] _Nero_: maybe I should just bite the bullet and get one of the nice atech fab cases.. they look soo nice..
[16:11:00] Dagmar: Going Shuttle will half that
[16:12:00] eidolon: that's my desk now (the third monitor on the left is actually my laptop screen, which is mirrored on the main right screen)
[16:12:00] eidolon: mmm. shuttles. (i have 2 :)
[16:12:00] _Nero_: yeah.. unfortunately, my current hardware wont fit in a shuttle..
[16:12:00] Dagmar: You will still not be finding anything under 75$ (with no PS) that isn't either an ugly desktop case, or a mid-tower.
[16:12:00] eidolon: the myth box is a full sized case though :(
[16:12:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: Go to www.newegg.com and search for the word "Ammo"
[16:12:00] Dagmar: There's a case you might like
[16:12:00] eidolon: heh
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: Thinkpad T42 ?
[16:13:00] Dagmar: I'm not telling ANYONE where I found the one with the burlwood paint job until I get the order confirmed.
[16:13:00] eidolon: T40, alas. but tricked out. 2gig baybee.
[16:13:00] eidolon: i do 99% of my entire life on that laptop.
[16:13:00] _Nero_: bleah..
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: Heh i;m on aT42. I disassembled my desktop months ago and make it into a 2nd backend
[16:13:00] eidolon: the 2nd machine is an athlong 2600 in a shuttle box. it runs XP for when i need to check some XP-based stuff. the rest of the time it just runs seti@home :)
[16:13:00] Dagmar: casearts.com owns me. I wish to god they would do single production runs
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: I do everything on this
[16:13:00] eidolon: yup. i have a couple articles about my laptop config. sec.
[16:13:00] _Nero_: that thing is horrid.. unless you are on the set of starwars or something
[16:14:00] Dagmar: Heh
[16:14:00] eidolon: http://planet-geek.com/archives/000876.html
[16:14:00] _Nero_: http://www.atechfabrication.com/atech_5000_order_form.htm <---- why cant I find this for $150.. ;)
[16:14:00] GreyFoxx: _Nero_: I've been drooling over those cases for a couple years now. If they were 150 I'd have 3
[16:14:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[16:15:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: Believe it or not, aside from tacky excess flange jobs, that's about what "state of the art" in non-beige and non-black cases amounts to
[16:15:00] _Nero_: Dagmar- heh.. your aside is what I dont like about it.. ;)
[16:15:00] eidolon: i could see building a new case for the myth box when i put together the rest of the home video stuff, but i think the next bit will be a nice monitor.
[16:15:00] Dagmar: My aside?
[16:15:00] eidolon: that's a beautiful case.
[16:16:00] _Nero_: "aside from tacky excess flange jobs"
[16:16:00] Dagmar: That fabbed one is slick
[16:16:00] _Nero_: they have a bunch of HTPC cases there..
[16:16:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: You've not seen the Dracula and the Ninja and so on models?
[16:16:00] _Nero_: and some nice HD enclosures..
[16:16:00] Dagmar: Cases with stupid amounts of pointy plastic on the front
[16:16:00] _Nero_: yeah.. I've seen that stuff going around.. not my thing... looking for something that you look at, and dont think it is a computer..
[16:17:00] eidolon: so, any suggestions for, say, a 27"-35" monitor for my myth box? rear or flat is fine – i'd prefer for $500-$600...
[16:17:00] Dagmar: The case I'm ordering is a Chenming/Cheiftec mid tower painted to look like burlwood.
[16:17:00] Dagmar: If the thing isn't glossy enough when it gets here I do know how to enamel stuff.
[16:17:00] Dagmar: ...and then I've got a sticker to put on the upper front panel of a dragon. I am please.
[16:17:00] Dagmar: er pleased.
[16:17:00] _Nero_: heh.. I dont think you'll be finding a 35" flat panel for $500-$600.. ;)
[16:18:00] eidolon: i know i'm sort of dreaming. but my monitor-fu is -way- out of date :(
[16:18:00] _Nero_: I have access to, and am pretty good with a mill.. that atech case doesnt look too hard to fab.. maybe do it with a mobo tray or something..
[16:18:00] _Nero_: but aluminum is farking expensive.. lol
[16:19:00] Dagmar: So is the amount of time it would take to do that right
[16:19:00] _Nero_: Dagmar- probably more than $400 worth of time.. ;)
[16:19:00] Dagmar: I can do some slick things with metal, paint, and plastic, but I can't make it cost effective unless I'm paying myself $5/hour
[16:19:00] Dagmar: Did you see that OREC mockup some dude did?
[16:20:00] _Nero_: The front panel would probably take a couple hours.. so if I could take an existing case and swap out the front panel, it might be worth it..
[16:20:00] _Nero_: Yeah.. over on bit-tech? Was a beautiful case.. but took him what, a year?
[16:20:00] Dagmar: Entirely plexiglass outside, inside, nothing but chrome conduits and neon green illuminated water hoses
[16:20:00] Dagmar: GORGEOUS
[16:20:00] Juski: there are some really nice looking htpc cases these days.. just a pity the majority of them are either impractical or ready-build (and expensive)
[16:21:00] Dagmar: _Nero_: You could maybe cheat and go buy an old VHS VCR off someone
[16:21:00] eidolon: Dagmar: there's a couple OREC's out there. but yeah, i rembmer the first one – it's still a masterpiece.
[16:21:00] Dagmar: Then you could maybe patch over the tape door with a matrix orbital display or something.  :)
[16:21:00] eidolon: so okay... question
[16:21:00] _Nero_: Dont think a VHS VCR would be large enough.. probably would have to go with something like an old receiver, and replace the front panel..
[16:22:00] eidolon: if i get a 'tv' or something for my monitor...since the pvr-250 doesn't have video out. how am i going to drive it?
[16:22:00] eidolon: er
[16:22:00] eidolon: pvr-150
[16:22:00] Dagmar: I used to have an old one that was positively ROOMY inside
[16:22:00] Dagmar: If you find an old one, you'll have no problems mounting a motherboard and mid-tower components inside
[16:23:00] Dagmar: eidolon: You spend like $20 on a GeForce MX card, which will have S-video output
[16:23:00] eidolon: heh
[16:23:00] Dagmar: I know the "spend money" answer isn't attracive to some people, but for this sort of thing it's generally a LOT faster to just buy something than to work around not having it
[16:23:00] eidolon: nonono.
[16:24:00] eidolon: i'm willing to spend the money needed for a good experience. i have to double-triple think spending money on a big monitor though.
[16:24:00] Dagmar: Ah then $20 to get an s-video out on your PC isn't going to bother you much.
[16:24:00] eidolon: er. waiddase.c
[16:24:00] Dagmar: I know I do not regret getting the PVR-500 in the *least* now
[16:24:00] eidolon: ah, i have an NV6
[16:24:00] Dagmar: It is the secret sause of teh awesomeness
[16:24:00] eidolon: which i think is -ancient-
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[16:25:00] Dagmar: eidolon: it's called a Riva from then i think. heh
[16:25:00] Juski: can you still play dvix etc through a pvr350 card?
[16:25:00] _Nero_: if you want to waste some time and see an INSANE amount of fab work- this case is unreal.. its a bit over the top for my tastes, but the guy milled every peice on it from raw aluminum: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=7 . . . =1&pp=20
[16:25:00] Dagmar: Juski: Prolly not without transcoding it, but it might become possible. Firmware is nifty like that and there's nothing really holding up Hauppage making use of XviD codecs
[16:26:00] Dagmar: HAH
[16:26:00] Dagmar: He definitely cheated.
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[16:26:00] eidolon: wow.
[16:26:00] Juski: cnc milling machine indeed
[16:26:00] Dagmar: Using an automatic lathe the size of my apartment takes quite a bit of the trouble out of that
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[16:27:00] Dagmar: Mother of god the result is slick tho
[16:27:00] _Nero_: heh.. go to the second to the last page.. took the guy a good 6 months.. this wasnt just some "throw some cad at it"
[16:28:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but to do that by hand would take *years*
[16:28:00] Juski: jees that guy knows how to mount a hard drive :)
[16:28:00] Dagmar: All those bevels on his pieces make it 4x the work to do without something like that equipment he has
[16:29:00] _Nero_: lol.. you WOULDN'T do it without the equipment he has..
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[16:29:00] Dagmar: defintely.
[16:29:00] Dagmar: I would do it out of plexiglass first.
[16:29:00] Dagmar: At least that's something you can get away with a lot of dumb tricks with
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[16:29:00] LKhaos: I have just install mythtv on my Debian box using the apt. I can't run mythfilldatabase because mysql 5.x doesn't like sql. I see it's been patched in the source. Is there an easy way to resolve this w/out compiling from scratch?
[16:29:00] _Nero_: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=912 . . . ostcount=348 <--- look at the resivoirs..
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[16:30:00] Dagmar: grr not plexiglass. What's the thing... kids toys are made out of it
[16:30:00] Dagmar: Fiberglass.
[16:30:00] Dagmar: LKhaos: If you're not doing anything else with the mysql daemon, just downgrade it to 4.1.x
[16:31:00] _Nero_: LKhaos- I think you'll have to recompile qt3sql in order to work with mysql5, but as Dagmar said- if this is just a myth box, you dont need mysql5.
[16:31:00] Dagmar: Yeah.
[16:31:00] Dagmar: 4.1.x is a bit lighter on system resources
[16:32:00] Dagmar: ...and really, I think the only reason Myth uses mysql is because it gets them SQL which saves a lot of coding work. The database doesn't evenn need to be high powered.
[16:32:00] _Nero_: they are talking about going to sqlite soon..
[16:32:00] Dagmar: I could probably run the mysql database on the old PII-300 I have here and wouldn't notice a difference.
[16:33:00] LKhaos: Alrighty....will have to look into downgrading.
[16:33:00] LKhaos: thanks
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[16:41:00] eidolon: interesting. my pvr-150 remote has a transmitter -and- a receiver? for controlling a cable box?
[16:43:00] Dagmar: Some of them have IR transmitters, yes
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[16:44:00] eidolon: yah. cool.
[16:45:00] Dagmar: I am going to try to stick with just finding more hardware to put into the box
[16:45:00] eidolon: heh
[16:45:00] eidolon: my only casemod project was just windows and EL wire inside my aluminum shuttle-x box.
[16:46:00] eidolon: EL wire fades after a while :(
[16:46:00] Dagmar: All EL stuff does
[16:46:00] Dagmar: It's made with radioactive leftovers
[16:46:00] Dagmar: ...which since they're tame as all get out in that form, have a half life of only a year or two
[16:46:00] eidolon: hm. we need to configure LIRC for the PVR-150 remote.
[16:46:00] ** eidolon was sort of hoping it would work out of the box :) **
[16:47:00] eidolon: i crack myself up!
[16:47:00] Dagmar: There's still to many variables to hope to get much working OOB
[16:47:00] Dagmar: s/to/too
[16:47:00] eidolon: knoppmyth came pretty close :) it definately got through 90% of the standard annoyance stuff.
[16:48:00] Dagmar: My official position is that everyone should just compile lirc themselves and have mercy on their package maintainers
[16:48:00] Dagmar: I'll have the mysqld package for Slackware done up properly in a few more days, but I'm not setting foot near lirc
[16:50:00] eidolon: ew, slackware.
[16:50:00] ** eidolon ducks **
[16:51:00] laga: yes, lirc is kind of complicated
[16:51:00] Dagmar: Am I correct in that there is no way to build lircd to handle more than one type of driver??
[16:52:00] laga: Dagmar: it should be possible, the --with-driver= thingie accepts "any" as n argument
[16:52:00] laga: IIRC
[16:53:00] Dagmar: It says it does but then you try it and it sez "No!"
[16:54:00] laga: darn lirc
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[17:23:00] jnunez: Does the IR Blaster in the PVR 150 work with KnoppMyth?
[17:24:00] Dark`-`: most likely yea
[17:25:00] Dark`-`: mine works on the wintv-go plus
[17:25:00] Dark`-`: and the pvr 150 is way more common
[17:26:00] jnunez: I have been going thru tons of sites and many have issues but claim to finally get it to work
[17:29:00] Dark`-`: well if you believe they did, then it works :)
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: :w
[17:31:00] GreyFoxx: oops :)
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[17:35:00] Juski: hows this for a case modding project? http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/
[17:36:00] laga: ghetto
[17:38:00] claimjump: juski: how does it avoid processor-melting issues?
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[17:39:00] Juski: I dunno.. but if it did melt, how would you tell? ;-)
[17:39:00] laga: claimjump: due to the closed nature of the case, air-pressure gets higher with increased temperature. the higher the air pressure, the more stable it will run because the air pressors holds the cpu molecules together
[17:39:00] Juski: riiiiight
[17:39:00] claimjump: laga: brilliant!
[17:40:00] laga: pressure*
[17:40:00] laga: claimjump: thanks.
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[17:40:00] claimjump: Also, the induced nuclear fusion can be turned right around to power the machine. Perpetual motion!
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[17:40:00] laga: claimjump: w00t
[17:41:00] Juski: I bet the airflow is still better than a silverstone lc-02 case tho
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[18:06:00] purplefrog: I'm trying to figure out how to take a screenshot of an mplayer window to get the frame frozen in it.
[18:06:00] purplefrog: Neither xwd nor gimp can capture the actual picture, I just get a blue rectangle.
[18:07:00] laga: purplefrog: mplayer -vo xv
[18:07:00] laga: err
[18:07:00] laga: mplayer -vo x11
[18:08:00] purplefrog: flawless victory, iaga.
[18:08:00] laga: hehe ;)
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[18:22:00] dbroo: hi all. anyone got any knowledge of ps/ts problems with dvb cards under the current svn? my pvr-350 is working fine but my dvb cards are both showing up funny. i've set dvb_recordts = 0 for both cards but they still show odd whilst watching livetv. but... i'm currently recording something with one of them, and it displays fine via "watch recording" ? any ideas please?
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[18:34:00] Vantage__: hi, i'm looking into a remote for mythtv. is it better to get a specific PC remote or to get an IR receiver and try and get an existing universal remote working with it?
[18:35:00] Vantage__: i currently have one mythtv setup with a pvr-250 and remote, but i'm putting together another one that has two pvr-150 OEMs in it (no remote) so i'm looking into remotes for the new one
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[18:41:00] LKhaos: Is there a Debian/MySql guru in the house? grrrr
[18:42:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: I doubt I'm a guru, but I may be able to help
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[18:44:00] LKhaos: Thanks Vantage. I installed Myth from apt this A.M. and found that mythfilldatabase has problems with the sql it uses with MySql 5.0...so I downgraded to 4. Now mysql will not start. fusses about needing to check for mysqld.sock. I checked, an it no longer exists...used to be there. not now
[18:45:00] LKhaos: I tried 'touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock', but that didn't work
[18:45:00] purplefrog: strace -f -o /tmp/blargh /etc/init.d/mysql start
[18:46:00] purplefrog: Then look through the assorted trace files to see what system calls give errors.
[18:46:00] purplefrog: You could probably grep mysqld.sock /tmp/blargh/* as a starting point.
[18:47:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: mysql 4.0 or 4.1?
[18:47:00] LKhaos: Vantage: 4.1
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[18:49:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: and what's the exact error it throws out mysqld.sock ?
[18:50:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: btw, did you purge mysql 5 or just apt-get remove it?
[18:51:00] LKhaos: Vantage: 1st I used synaptic to remove 5 and install 4.1...later, after I had problems, i used synaptic to purge the mysql 5 files
[18:52:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: any important stuff in your databases?
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[18:53:00] LKhaos: My rubyonrails activerecord files :(
[18:54:00] LKhaos: vantage: here is that trace you suggested : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fGK9nd22.html
[18:56:00] LKhaos: vantage: sry..that was purplefrog who suggested the trace..sorry
[19:01:00] mishehu: what is rubyonrails?
[19:01:00] mishehu: I see it every now and then on /.
[19:01:00] LKhaos: I'll probably try to reinstall 5.0 and either compile myth from source (the bug has been fixed there) when I've got time, or wait for dijkstra to rebuild the apt packages
[19:01:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: what are the permissions on the mysqld.sock you created?
[19:02:00] LKhaos: mishehu: it is a framework for building db driven websites with mysql
[19:02:00] LKhaos: vantage: just a sec...
[19:03:00] Vantage__: and does /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid exist?
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[19:06:00] LKhaos: vantage: no the pid file doesn't exist. when I use touch to create the sock file I chown it to mysql, when I try to start mysqld_safe it is removed
[19:07:00] Vantage__: any mysql processes still running?
[19:09:00] laga: LKhaos: IIRC, mdz (dijkstra) is not going to spend much time anymore on fixing mythtv packages.
[19:09:00] LKhaos: Vantage, no..
[19:09:00] laga: LKhaos: you could upgrade to mysql 5.x again, use mysqldump and hope that your dumps will work with 4.x so you can downgrade again.
[19:10:00] Vantage__: LKhaos: try this:
[19:10:00] LKhaos: laga: that's a thought..
[19:10:00] Vantage__: touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[19:10:00] Vantage__: chown mysql:mysql /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[19:10:00] Vantage__: chmod 4777 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[19:11:00] Vantage__: then try starting mysql
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[19:12:00] Vantage__: so what remotes is everyone using?
[19:12:00] laga: i use the one that came with my pvr 250 and a gamepad for my ghetto frontend
[19:12:00] Vantage__: anyone know if the pvr 150 remote works ok?
[19:13:00] LKhaos: no dice Vantage....I think I might try the route laga suggested. go back to 5.0, hope it works, then dump the db's
[19:13:00] laga: Vantage__: they should work
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[19:14:00] Vantage__: hrmm, i'm thinking i might got pickup a non-mce pvr-150 then, since I need a remote and most remotes are about $50 + anyway
[19:14:00] Vantage__: I assume it's the same driver and firmware as the 150mce?
[19:16:00] hculver: LKHaos: the mysqld.sock is a named socket created by mysqld. It appears in the filesystem but is not a regular file.
[19:16:00] laga: huh? remotes dont have to be expensive. just use a cheapo ir-receiver and some spare remote you've got lying around
[19:16:00] laga: Vantage__: search ebay for LIRC or check www.lirc.org
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[19:17:00] MrSpiffy: hello
[19:17:00] Vantage__: Iaga: I was thinking that, but the machine I'm builing has only one serial port (for an IR-blaster). Do you know where to get a pre-built USB IR-receiver?
[19:17:00] MrSpiffy: I am going to start recording dvd's. what are you guys using to do this?
[19:17:00] MrSpiffy: by that I mean video dvd's to play on dvd players
[19:18:00] laga: Vantage__: well, i dont know about that. there are usb -> serial adaptors, but i dont know how well this is going to work.
[19:18:00] laga: MrSpiffy: nuvexport, probably
[19:19:00] Vantage__: Iaga: so I was thinking maybe just replace the 150mce with a regular 150 and get the blaster and remote built in and not have to use the serial port up at all. just not sure how supported both are at the moment
[19:20:00] LKhaos: okay: the good news, reinstalling 5.0 worked. I'll probably dump my db's and completely purge mysql, then install 4.1
[19:20:00] laga: Vantage__: well, sounds like a plan. but i dont know if the blaster functionality works yet.
[19:21:00] Vantage__: Iaga: I've seen a few reports that suggest it does...
[19:21:00] Vantage__: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . hlight=&
[19:21:00] Vantage__: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19
[19:21:00] Vantage__: just not positive on the remote itself though :)
[19:21:00] laga: i've heard the remote works fine.
[19:23:00] Vantage__: Iaga: good stuff, I guess the only other question is whether the pvr-150 and the 150mce play nice together (two tuner system set up)
[19:23:00] LKhaos: laga: you said mdz may not be maintaining the deb packages anymore...any word on someone else stepping up?
[19:24:00] laga: LKhaos: beavis is your man ;)
[19:24:00] LKhaos: go beavis...go beavis...lol
[19:25:00] beavis: :)
[19:25:00] Vantage__: beavis: you've got new deb packages?
[19:26:00] beavis: mdz wants to ask Chutt if he can put the debs on mythtv.org
[19:26:00] beavis: Vantage__: the debian source is up to date
[19:26:00] Vantage__: my biggest problem right now is only the myth core packages are rebuilt to work with kde 3.4
[19:26:00] beavis: you just need to apt-get source -b mythtv
[19:27:00] Vantage__: mythdvd etc haven't been rebuilt
[19:27:00] Vantage__: beavis: yeah, i was thinking of doing that, but wasn't sure how long it would take for the binaries to be rebuilt
[19:27:00] laga: mythtv does not depend on kde
[19:27:00] Vantage__: tell the mythdvd package that :)
[19:28:00] Vantage__: er not kde rather, qt
[19:28:00] laga: hehe
[19:28:00] Vantage__: mythdvd: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not installable
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[19:30:00] beavis: I'll upload the current packages if mdz knows if Chutt's ok with his idea
[19:31:00] laga: beavis: from svn head?
[19:31:00] beavis: hehe
[19:31:00] Vantage__: beavis: thanks. would save me from rebuilding them and possibly getting out of sync
[19:34:00] jd86: ok, someone suggested i used nuvexport to change formats from the reguler nuv to transcode, so i said hell, lets pick divx alright? and they said that it will use the other file and update just like it would do if i were to select transcode in mythtv.. but itst still using the old file?
[19:34:00] beavis: I could of course provide a changes.diff for svn users and debs for the released versions only
[19:34:00] jd86: is there any way, of having mythtv start transcode jobs, from mythweb, or the command line, that will be used by mythtv when you select play recordings...
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[19:37:00] LKhaos: alright everyone...thanx for the help and info.
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[19:51:00] Krazylegz: Does anyone have a good primer for VCD/SCVD/DVD/etc stuff?
[19:51:00] splat1: Right Im jacked back in and ready to rock! Hey all
[19:52:00] Krazylegz: I want to be able to take my recorded shows and watch them at a friend's house, without taking the Mythbox.
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[20:18:00] purplefrog: Krazylegz: I copy the .nuv files from /home/video to my laptop.
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[20:23:00] purplefrog: Nuts, I emerged lirc on gentoo. I had LIRC_OPTS="--with-driver=hauppauge" in my /etc/make.conf, but when I try to run irrecord, I get an error, probably because /dev/lirc does not exist.
[20:24:00] xris: purplefrog: did you start lircd?
[20:24:00] purplefrog: nope. Then I did, same err, then I stopped it, still error.
[20:24:00] purplefrog: I'm looking at a section of http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC talking about serial ports.
[20:24:00] purplefrog: I do use /dev/ttyS0 to control my projector.
[20:29:00] gakalkag: anyone here running minimyth on an EPIA SP ?
[20:30:00] purplefrog: Maybe my udev needs reloading.
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[20:51:00] ** Juski has just remembered a new DVB-T channel launches on Tuesday here in the UK, ITV4.. scanning **
[20:54:00] purplefrog: Hmm, looks like I need to load lirc_i2c
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[21:23:00] DeltaF: Hey guys.. I'm looking for some help on a seg fault..
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[21:24:00] DeltaF: I more-or-less followed the instructions from the Fedora howto, but when I go for 'mythfrontend', I get "Corrupt JPEG data: bad Huffman code" and some other errors
[21:24:00] DeltaF: Ending in a Segmentation Fault
[21:24:00] laga: when you want to watch TV?
[21:24:00] DeltaF: Before the frontend even begins.
[21:25:00] laga: oh, that's odd
[21:25:00] DeltaF: I see the front flicker and immediately crash
[21:25:00] DeltaF: I read somewhere that they fixed it by disabling some plugins
[21:25:00] DeltaF: I can't find where that config info is stored. Is it in the db?
[21:25:00] laga: well, it's probably a broken theme, i dont know
[21:25:00] laga: try to reinstall the theme package
[21:25:00] laga: what config?
[21:26:00] DeltaF: What plugins are loaded.. Dunno what else there is. :)
[21:26:00] laga: well, mythfrontend just loads every plugin it can find, probably
[21:26:00] laga: just deinstall them
[21:26:00] laga: uninstall*
[21:27:00] DeltaF: using the package manager?
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[21:29:00] DeltaF: bah.. I remove one, it wants to take the whole suite..
[21:29:00] laga: well.
[21:30:00] laga: reinstall the backend, frontend etc again then
[21:30:00] laga: the suite is just a meta package
[21:31:00] DeltaF: I understand that.. yum thinks that I'll break the meta package if I remove a part, so it wants to uninstall everything.. (I think)
[21:31:00] laga: yep.
[21:31:00] laga: just install the pieces you need
[21:32:00] laga: and probably
[21:32:00] laga: do a mysqldump first
[21:32:00] laga: in case it wants to remove the database ;)
[21:32:00] DeltaF: Oh this will be fun.
[21:33:00] laga: :)
[21:35:00] DeltaF: Is it bad that a 'file `which mythfrontend`' says that it's for a 2.4 kernel?
[21:35:00] DeltaF: At least they got the arch right. :P
[21:36:00] DeltaF: There's nothing else to dump yet, so that'll be fine..
[21:36:00] laga: good.
[21:37:00] laga: it dont think the kernel 2.4 stuff matters
[21:37:00] DeltaF: other than messages, where can I find myth-specific startup logs?
[21:38:00] DeltaF: I'd like to see where it's dying.
[21:38:00] laga: well, mythfrontend --verbose all could help you
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[21:40:00] DeltaF: mythfrontend -v all doesn't display any more on screen...
[21:40:00] DeltaF: nor in messages.
[21:40:00] DeltaF: But I didn't get a seg fault message either..
[21:41:00] DeltaF: So it looks like it's telling me less. :)
[21:41:00] laga: hehe
[21:41:00] laga: try an "strace `which mythfrontend`"
[21:42:00] DeltaF: Now there's some raw data!
[21:43:00] laga: hehe :)
[21:44:00] DeltaF: What am I looking for? the line before the crash, or something else
[21:44:00] laga: well, i dont know
[21:44:00] laga: my guess is that it's trying to open the theme
[21:45:00] DeltaF: Well, when I went back to mythtv-setup it loaded the "new" theme just fine..
[21:46:00] laga: and mythfrontend does still crash? maybe it wants a different file than the setup
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[21:46:00] laga: strace should tell you what files it is opening
[21:46:00] DeltaF: The half-second flicker of the background is the same as the new one under mythtv-setup.
[21:47:00] DeltaF: Though, not the same as the default when I first ran the setup.
[21:47:00] DeltaF: On the screen I see 2 SELECT statements.. How do you scroll back in xterm?
[21:47:00] laga: page-up?
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[21:48:00] DeltaF: Nope. ups history.
[21:48:00] laga: shift + pgup
[21:48:00] DeltaF: I'm using x11vnc -> fluxbox.
[21:48:00] DeltaF: ah
[21:49:00] purplefrog: DeltaF: try Shift-PgUp.
[21:50:00] DeltaF: I got it.. (see "ah" ^^^) Thanks. :)
[21:50:00] laga: purplefrog: beat ya to it.
[21:50:00] purplefrog: That's what I get for not reading everything :)
[21:50:00] laga: hehe
[21:50:00] DeltaF: I thought it was vague. I also now recognize the scrollbar on the LEFT
[21:51:00] ** purplefrog snickers. **
[21:51:00] purplefrog: Clearly you have been doing X windows for something less than 15 years.
[21:51:00] DeltaF: Try 1 week, as little as possible. :)
[21:51:00] ** laga likes Eterm **
[21:52:00] DeltaF: I plan to make myth my front-end to all X interaction..
[21:52:00] DeltaF: Perhaps I'll try freenx too.
[21:52:00] DeltaF: The novelty of a remote x session through cygwin wears out pretty fast.
[21:53:00] laga: *g*
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[21:55:00] DeltaF: The only familiar looking stuff before the SQL statements look to be some plugins.
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[21:56:00] DeltaF: open("/usr/lib64/libtiff.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 8
[21:56:00] DeltaF: that's the last open()
[21:56:00] purplefrog: are there any E_ errors?
[21:57:00] purplefrog: open("blah", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[21:57:00] purplefrog: maybe grep for "= -1 E"
[21:57:00] DeltaF: Like this?read(7, 0x98aca0, 8192) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:57:00] purplefrog: EAGAIN is not a dangerous error.
[21:58:00] purplefrog: It's common with non-blocking IO
[21:58:00] DeltaF: I got a few of those..
[21:58:00] DeltaF: how about :
[21:58:00] DeltaF: access("/usr/share/mythtv/i18n/mythbookmarkmanager.qm", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[21:59:00] DeltaF: There's a few other in that neighborhood
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[22:00:00] DeltaF: I think I'll have to grep stderr, no?
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[22:01:00] purplefrog: I can't tell if that ENOENT is a real problem, or not.
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[22:01:00] DeltaF: There's a whole bunch from that directory.. All seem to be related to the bookmark manager plugin
[22:01:00] DeltaF: You think it'd be enough to seg fault?
[22:02:00] purplefrog: Hmm, seg fault is caused by bad pointer access. A proper program should never ever trigger one.
[22:02:00] DeltaF: I'm using the FC4 Howto, I have a AMD 64 just like the author.
[22:03:00] DeltaF: I'd wonder if my WinTV Go was underpowered or misconfigured, but I don't think I'm even getting to video card init..
[22:03:00] DeltaF: (And it's supposed to work, anyway)
[22:06:00] DeltaF: Anyway. I got to take care of some errands. Thanks for the help.
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[22:18:00] Servo888: Ok I'm looking into buying a new chip for my mythtv box, replacing a duron. Should I go with the AMD 1600+ XP Mobile, or the 2200+ XP Mobile? The price difference is 20 bucks, and only 267mhz increase
[22:20:00] purplefrog: I have an Athlon 64 3000 in my laptop and I can play HD TV streams.
[22:21:00] orangey: purplefrog: How's the battery?
[22:21:00] purplefrog: 2–3 hours.
[22:21:00] orangey: purplefrog: yikes. I guess I'm spoiled with my 4–6 hour battery : )
[22:22:00] orangey: but then again this here 1ghz machine can't do much in the way of HD streams : )
[22:22:00] purplefrog: I specced my laptop for performance, not battery life :)
[22:23:00] Servo888: I've got an amd64 3400+ and I can't play HDTV streams... At least the ones in the mac movie format
[22:23:00] Servo888: I did the same thing – and that was a mistake =-(
[22:24:00] Servo888: I might downgrade to a mobile cpu instead of this desktop one.
[22:24:00] orangey: Servo888: your laptop doesn't have a mobile cpu?
[22:24:00] Servo888: Man this is kind of weird – my laptop has a desktop cpu and I want a mobile cpu in my desktop =\
[22:24:00] orangey: purplefrog: I am looking for a 10 hour battery life : )
[22:24:00] Servo888: orangey, nope, just pure desktop, power hungry sunava...
[22:25:00] orangey: Servo888: what's your battery life?
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[22:25:00] purplefrog: I recommend a fuel cell, when they finally start selling them.
[22:25:00] orangey: purplefrog: non-renewable.
[22:25:00] Servo888: With my current crummy battery ~45minutes... More like 1h30 with it running at 800mhz, and the screen dimmed
[22:25:00] purplefrog: methanol is cheap, orangey
[22:26:00] laga: ethanol is better for the eyes, though
[22:26:00] orangey: purplefrog: "one for you.. one for me.. uh oh. who turned the lights out?"
[22:34:00] orangey: is a new mythtv release imminent?
[22:36:00] laga: orangey: not sure, might take one or two months – but there's not that much that has to be done for the next release, i believe.
[22:39:00] xris: laga: I haven't heard of any plans for a new release.
[22:40:00] laga: xris: well, conversion to libmythui has been postponed and there are not many open bugs left
[22:40:00] ** Beirdo finally did svn update last night **
[22:40:00] laga: Beirdo: nice.
[22:41:00] laga: i've been filing a few bugreports recently, and when i've been asked to provide a backtrace or to try a patch, things didn't compile anymore
[22:41:00] laga: my bad luck, i think
[22:42:00] orangey: laga: Is there any place where I can see the highlights?
[22:42:00] orangey: (of what's coming)?
[22:42:00] laga: one last bug prevents me from using my new frontend in my bedroom. the quickdnr filter segfaults with -march=pentium3 :/
[22:43:00] laga: orangey: svn.mythtv.org might be a good place to start
[22:43:00] orangey: laga: reading commit logs?
[22:43:00] orangey: so myth moved to svn, eh?
[22:43:00] laga: orangey: nope.
[22:43:00] Beirdo: orangey, a LONG time ago
[22:43:00] orangey: shows you how long I've been away : )
[22:43:00] Beirdo: like months ago :)
[22:43:00] orangey: I've given up TV.
[22:44:00] Beirdo: I'm using mythmusic for the first time in almost a year right now
[22:44:00] Beirdo: heh
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[22:44:00] Beirdo: NP: Pink Floyd – Comfortably Numb
[22:44:00] laga: Beirdo: things should be faster now :)
[22:44:00] orangey: and abandoned the perfectly legal and undoubtedly DMCA-compatible mythtv (i've read your faq b.) in exchange for the dubious and legally questionable bittorrent.
[22:45:00] Beirdo: heh, silly user
[22:45:00] laga: i haven't upgraded mythmusic in a long time. and i accidentally installed my development version of mythtv over my production setup, so i need to recompile the plugins now. argh.
[22:45:00] orangey: : )
[22:45:00] Beirdo: NP: Pink Floyd – Welcome to the Machine
[22:45:00] orangey: Beirdo: stop that!
[22:45:00] Beirdo: while I capture DV off my camcorder to my laptop
[22:45:00] laga: np: powerwolf – mister sinister
[22:45:00] orangey: Beirdo: is that legal?
[22:45:00] Beirdo: of course it is
[22:46:00] orangey: Beirdo: I guess it's all legal in canada. : )
[22:46:00] Beirdo: it's video I recorded myself
[22:46:00] ** Beirdo slaps orangey **
[22:46:00] orangey: Beirdo: I think you underestimate Americans and their laws.
[22:46:00] Beirdo: I hold the damn copyright, I can do what I want with it
[22:46:00] orangey: Beirdo: not true.
[22:46:00] Beirdo: sure I can
[22:46:00] Beirdo: God bless Canada
[22:46:00] orangey: Beirdo: for example, try taping yourself on an MD and then convincing it to give you the digital copy..
[22:47:00] Beirdo: I don't care what the US thinks
[22:47:00] orangey: Beirdo: heheh : )
[22:47:00] orangey: Beirdo: where in canada?
[22:47:00] Beirdo: downtown Toronto
[22:47:00] orangey: yikes. the center of the universe.
[22:47:00] Beirdo: yup
[22:47:00] Beirdo: I wanna move though
[22:48:00] Beirdo: to the tropics
[22:48:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:48:00] orangey: I'm an east coaster – it doesn't appear on maps made in toronto.
[22:48:00] orangey: I'm in red lake (ontario) now.. you wanna talk about cold?!
[22:48:00] orangey: it snowed in the beginning of october! 3 inches!
[22:48:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[22:48:00] Beirdo: sucker
[22:48:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:48:00] ** Beirdo acts like a typical Torontonian for a second **
[22:48:00] laga:
[22:49:00] orangey: laga: where?
[22:49:00] Beirdo: only 20C?
[22:49:00] Beirdo: it was 93F where I wanna move.
[22:49:00] orangey: I actually came straight from iraq ( http://tarek.2y.net/journeys ) to red lake.
[22:49:00] Beirdo: ouchy
[22:49:00] orangey: that's like 50C -> 5C
[22:49:00] Beirdo: that's a bit of an adjustment
[22:50:00] Beirdo: and fewer crazy people trying to kill you in Red Lake
[22:50:00] laga: orangey: germany ;)
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[22:51:00] Beirdo: have a bratwurst :)
[22:51:00] Beirdo: mmmm.
[22:51:00] ** laga is having cookies and a beer instead of dinner **
[22:51:00] Beirdo: cookies?
[22:51:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:51:00] Beirdo: nice dinner
[22:52:00] teevee: Hello, I can't find the setting for starting recordings early and ending late, I want to turn it off because it doesn't work correctly, how can I find that setting in the menu?
[22:52:00] orangey: I want to live in europe when I grow up.
[22:52:00] laga: Beirdo: too lazy to cook.
[22:52:00] Beirdo: in the recording profiles, I think
[22:52:00] orangey: north america is too much..
[22:52:00] Beirdo: orangey, I wanna move to technically still NA.
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[22:52:00] Beirdo: but it's the Caribbean, so all is good
[22:53:00] Beirdo: just need job offer, work visa... and I'm outta here
[22:53:00] orangey: Beirdo: : )
[22:53:00] orangey: Beirdo: what do you do for work?
[22:53:00] ** laga is going to move into beirdo's condo then **
[22:53:00] Beirdo: money
[22:53:00] Beirdo: oh
[22:53:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:53:00] Beirdo: UNIX sysadmin right now
[22:53:00] Beirdo: Embedded Systems Software is my real love though
[22:54:00] orangey: umm. is there a direct link to some new features in myth?
[22:54:00] orangey: Beirdo: I have an hx4700 I put linux on.. like that?
[22:54:00] Beirdo: I don't care, as long as it gets me paid, and gets me into Puerto Rico to work
[22:54:00] Beirdo: more like designing the firmware for devices
[22:54:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:54:00] Beirdo: with or without Linux
[22:54:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:55:00] Beirdo: now encoding 9 minutes (2.1G) of DV to DVD
[22:55:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:55:00] Beirdo: what fun
[22:55:00] Beirdo: shoulda done this about a week ago almost
[22:55:00] orangey: peurto rico's hot man.. both politically and temperature wise
[22:55:00] laga: Beirdo: so, the gputrans project has pretty much died then
[22:55:00] Beirdo: your point being?
[22:56:00] laga: Beirdo: i missed the question mark, sorry ;)
[22:56:00] Beirdo: laga: yeah, for now, wait till I'm married
[22:56:00] Beirdo: then I'll have less time tied up on the phone and I'll be WITH her
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[22:57:00] laga: Beirdo: great :)
[22:57:00] orangey: Beirdo: is she peurto rican?
[22:57:00] laga: both for us and for you ;)
[22:57:00] Beirdo: yes, she is
[22:57:00] Beirdo: but I want to move down to work first
[22:58:00] laga: silly question, but what language do they speak there?
[22:58:00] Beirdo: Spanish and English
[22:59:00] laga: oh, i'd love to have a real reason to learn spanish
[22:59:00] Beirdo: I love it down there
[22:59:00] ** laga should get a woman from spain next time instead of the USA **
[23:00:00] xris: haha
[23:00:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:00:00] orangey: haha.
[23:00:00] Beirdo: heya, xris
[23:01:00] Beirdo: or at least a latino chick from the US
[23:01:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:01:00] orangey: it is true, though.. women are the best motivator for learning a language.
[23:01:00] laga: orangey: i already speak english quite well, so i spend more time teaching her german ;)
[23:01:00] xris: orangey: personally, I'd have to go with "eating"... move to a country without knowing the language...
[23:02:00] teevee: can someone please help me with this setting in mythfrontend? I want to change the global setting for recording times starting early and ending late but I can't find it in the menu
[23:02:00] Beirdo: xris: yeah, two prime motivators. food.. and women...
[23:02:00] xris: heh
[23:02:00] Beirdo: teevee, I already told you where to look, didn't I?
[23:02:00] laga: Beirdo: even better if she runs a brewery.
[23:02:00] teevee: Beirdo: no
[23:03:00] teevee: Beirdo: sorry, you didn't address me so I didn't see it
[23:03:00] Beirdo: in the recording profiles is the first place to look
[23:03:00] teevee: Beirdo: and i looked in recording profiles a few times, let me check again
[23:03:00] Beirdo: there may be a couple other menus around there too
[23:04:00] teevee: Beirdo: I've looked through all of them, I think
[23:04:00] teevee: under Utilities/Setup
[23:04:00] laga: it's not in the recording profiles, i believe.
[23:05:00] laga: i'm gonna check
[23:05:00] teevee: laga: there is just stuff about resolution and bitrate
[23:05:00] laga: settings -> TV -> general
[23:06:00] teevee: most of those configuration menus have stuff about six or seven pages long that could all fit on one screen if they did it that way
[23:06:00] laga: right, but it would be hard to read on a TV
[23:06:00] laga: anyways, looking forward to your patches ;)
[23:06:00] teevee: laga: thanks, no wonder i didn't see it, I was looking for "120" in the values, but they were 0
[23:07:00] laga: hehe
[23:07:00] teevee: i guess i already changed it back to 0 before and forgot I did it
[23:07:00] teevee: maybe my clock is off somehow
[23:07:00] laga: i use ntpdate to keep my clock in sync
[23:08:00] teevee: i do to
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[23:08:00] teevee: but some reason my clock was about four minutes ahead
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[23:08:00] laga: your clock or the tv programme?
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[23:14:00] teevee: my system clock
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[23:14:00] teevee: ntp fixed it
[23:14:00] teevee: and i cronned ntp
[23:14:00] teevee: hmm, that could be a bad idea
[23:15:00] teevee: eh, i guess the worst case is that cron might run ntp a few times
[23:15:00] teevee: in a row
[23:16:00] Beirdo: gack
[23:16:00] Beirdo: no no no
[23:16:00] Beirdo: use ntpd, not ntpdate
[23:16:00] Beirdo: if you have 24/7 internet, there's no reason to cron ntpdate
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[23:16:00] ** laga uses ntpdate every month or so **
[23:17:00] teevee: 15:17:00 up 17 days, 18:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.13
[23:17:00] laga: 11:17pm up 111 days 5:34, 5 users, load average: 0.28, 0.13, 0.21
[23:17:00] teevee: well, in 17 days it moved ahead 4 minutes, which really sux for scheduled recordings
[23:17:00] Beirdo: ntpd will keep it PROPERLY synced and actually fix the drift
[23:17:00] Beirdo: yes
[23:18:00] Dark`-`: 15:18:03 up 1375 days
[23:18:00] Beirdo: ntpd deals with the drift and compensates
[23:18:00] laga: Dark`-`: darn.
[23:18:00] Dark`-`: hehe
[23:18:00] Beirdo: we had one at work at almost 4 years
[23:18:00] Dark`-`: i dont use that box, i just let it run
[23:18:00] Dark`-`: its funny
[23:18:00] Beirdo: and then some dillhole mistakenly powered it off
[23:18:00] Beirdo: 17:18:22 up 268 days, 14:42, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.58, 0.35
[23:19:00] Beirdo: my PVR
[23:19:00] Dark`-`: its a space heater for my basement
[23:19:00] laga: Dark`-`: let it run rc5 or something ;)
[23:20:00] Dark`-`: lol, it can barely run ssh
[23:20:00] Dark`-`: its a 486
[23:20:00] laga: Beirdo: not, that's not bad!
[23:20:00] laga: Dark`-`: so what? ;)
[23:20:00] Dark`-`: it would crack 1 key a year
[23:20:00] Dark`-`: well, attempt to at least
[23:20:00] Beirdo: laga: it's pretty stable :)
[23:21:00] laga: but it's still trying, huh? that's what i call a winner personality.
[23:21:00] laga: Beirdo: so is mine, but it doesn't like power outages much. ;)
[23:21:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:21:00] Beirdo: Toronto at least has THAT going for it
[23:21:00] laga: we usually have one or two short power outages per year, it's not that bad
[23:21:00] Dark`-`: lol
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[23:23:00] laga: i will have to reboot my mythtv box soon when it goes diskless
[23:23:00] DarkBeer: does xmame .100 work with mythgame?
[23:24:00] laga: but i'm not sure if i want to make my print server and slave backend diskless, though
[23:25:00] Beirdo: a dickless printserver is kinda silly
[23:25:00] Beirdo: it's supposed to spool
[23:27:00] laga: Beirdo: it can do that ;)
[23:27:00] Beirdo: over NFS?
[23:27:00] laga: Beirdo: i was going to hook the printer up to my server, but the USB stuff there is crap
[23:27:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:27:00] Beirdo: gotcha
[23:28:00] laga: i need to get new hardware for the server, maybe a nice cheap duron.
[23:28:00] laga: it takes 90minutes to compile mythtv on the current setup, even with distcc ;)
[23:29:00] Beirdo: nice
[23:29:00] laga: and i've compiled mythtv for like 20 times over the last few days. darn.
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[23:30:00] _Nero_: Are there any sharpening filters for livetv?
[23:30:00] laga: _Nero_: we have denoising filters.
[23:30:00] _Nero_: wont a denoise desharpen even more?
[23:31:00] laga: umm, i'm afraid so. you've got a point there
[23:31:00] _Nero_: (it is a digital signal- not very noisy.. but when I run it through my PVR250, it looses a good deal of sharpness)
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[23:39:00] laga: _Nero_: do you use composite or s-vhs?
[23:39:00] _Nero_: s-video
[23:41:00] laga: well, that shouldn't be the issue then
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