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Saturday, October 29th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:02:00] otwin: rsdvd: this is my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.ca/26963
[00:02:00] rsdvd: thanks....I will compare to mine
[00:03:00] rsdvd: it is still having difficulty finding the minimyth.conf file.....it is looking in linux-install/conf/epia//minimyth.conf.....shich is right execpt for the double slash
[00:05:00] otwin: it should be <hostname>/conf/minimyth.conf
[00:06:00] rsdvd: seems to be requesting conf/<hostname>/minimyth.conf....I will have another play and see what I can find – thanks!
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[00:13:00] ** PaulWay discovers the goodness of 'yum whatprovides export_pvm.so' and 'yum install transcode-1.0.0–0.lvn.3.4' **
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[00:18:00] PaulWay: So long, gentlemen.
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[00:21:00] harryman100: hi all, is there a way to delete all the program data, so that I can refresh everything with mythfilldatabase? mythfilldatabase keeps erroring because of duplicate keys...
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[00:21:00] rsdvd: I have an odd problem with my myth datasbase.........everytime I try "mysql -h192.168.1.101 -u mythtv -p" I get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.103' (using password: NO)" back – notice the change of IP? anyone any ideas, cuase this seems to be stopping my new frontend connecting
[00:21:00] bill2or3: if you know sql, just go delete it.
[00:22:00] \Grooby\: ugh
[00:22:00] \Grooby\: is it me or is DVB more sensitive to signal strength?
[00:22:00] kormoc: rsdvd, that's correct, the first ip is of the server, the second ip of the client connecting to the server
[00:23:00] rsdvd: D'oh....of course! I must be tired :-)
[00:23:00] fman: cool, my machine is all set up apart from the ir-blaster
[00:23:00] fman: just got to work that last bit out now
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[00:32:00] GeekZoid_: MYTHTV Is pretty kewl i got my PVR-150 working.. even with the remotecontrol :)
[00:32:00] fman: with composite or s-video?
[00:32:00] GeekZoid_: with the tuner..
[00:32:00] fman: ah ok
[00:33:00] fman: I've got it working with the Tuner and composite in
[00:33:00] fman: not with s-video hwoever
[00:33:00] GeekZoid_: lol All i use is DVDS and Watching tv
[00:33:00] GeekZoid_: with cable
[00:33:00] GeekZoid_: i have no use for anything else.
[00:33:00] GeekZoid_: :)
[00:33:00] GeekZoid_: IS there a plugin so you can resize windows like windows?
[00:34:00] GeekZoid_: so you can use the mouse and resize the window?
[00:35:00] laga: nope, but you can change the size of the window somewhere in the setting
[00:35:00] laga: s
[00:35:00] GeekZoid_: ya thats the only that kinda sucks about mythtv...
[00:35:00] GeekZoid_: compared to the commercial counterpart.
[00:36:00] laga: well, mythtv probably is designed for use on a TV
[00:36:00] fman: We can't connect our tuners to cable, have to go via a cable box first
[00:36:00] dev-: heh yeah
[00:36:00] rsdvd: does anyone know what this error means "Error -5 while decompressing!" it is in the /var/log/messages at the point where my minimyth installation hangs
[00:36:00] GeekZoid_: Well do you have any suggestions on what i can use for watching tv via my PVR-150 :p
[00:37:00] fman: ?
[00:37:00] GeekZoid_: if not mythtv (if mythtv was designed to be used on a tv)
[00:37:00] fman: mythtv works ok dosn't it?
[00:37:00] GeekZoid_: Sure . but I wanna resize my windows :)
[00:37:00] fman: mplayer
[00:37:00] dev-: works fine for me on my linux workstation
[00:37:00] dev-: but then against i use dualhead and just let myth use one of the screens
[00:37:00] GeekZoid_: oh
[00:38:00] dev-: dont worry about ressizing windows. though thats easy, --geometry on startup
[00:38:00] ** GeekZoid_ cant do that. All i have is one PCI express card. **
[00:38:00] kormoc: dev-, same here, only I have trihead and myth has one screen
[00:38:00] kormoc: GeekZoid_, with two outputs, no?
[00:38:00] dev-: would be nice if it was wrapped in your wm
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[00:42:00] Jusk1: any mythtvtalk moderators around?
[00:44:00] laga: Jusk1: yep.
[00:44:00] Jusk1: hi laga
[00:44:00] laga: hi Jusk1 :)
[00:45:00] dev-: hi everybody!
[00:45:00] dev-: ;)
[00:45:00] laga: hi dev- :)
[00:45:00] Jusk1: there's a user complaining he's been sent PM spam.. I thought I'd be able to look into pm logs or something but I'm obviously not high enough in the food chain ;)
[00:45:00] laga: Jusk1: neither am i.
[00:45:00] dev-: im pretty high
[00:46:00] dev-: but not on no food chain
[00:46:00] dev-: heh
[00:46:00] laga: dev-: put the crack pipe down ;)
[00:46:00] laga: Jusk1: you've got a query...
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[00:47:00] fman: anyone here using a general instrument surfview cable box
[00:47:00] laga: well, good night then.
[00:48:00] juski: goodnight laga
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[00:54:00] fman: anyone here using a radeon 9200 for tv-out?
[00:55:00] fman: I'm happy to get a nvidia, but have this card sitting here
[00:55:00] Juski: fman.. I'm not using any ATI hardware, but have you checked the usual places?
[00:55:00] fman: just looking now
[00:56:00] rsdvd: Hello Juski
[00:56:00] Juski: hi rsdvd...
[00:56:00] rsdvd: did you ever sort out those recievers?
[00:56:00] Juski: those IR receivers are still here waiting to be tested.. had a mad time here
[00:57:00] rsdvd: ok – Just that I have by brand new EPIA on my desk (fighting with MiniMyth) and I have no way of controling it :-)
[00:58:00] Juski: heh.. fighting with minimyth.. I know that feeling
[00:58:00] Juski: you got it booting yet?
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[00:59:00] rsdvd: With some help in here I now know how to boot etc...but it gets to the bit where it should start mythfrontend and it hangs.....I get "Error -5 while decompressing!" in /var/log/messsages
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[01:00:00] Juski: can't say I've ever seen that error, rsdvd
[01:00:00] rsdvd: :-( neither has anyone I can find in google
[01:00:00] Juski: that said, I'm not on 0.18.1.8, which I'm assuming you are
[01:01:00] rsdvd: I'm guessing it is an error from cramfs....but I dont; know
[01:01:00] dev-: usually if i cant anything on google, i find its something dumb i overlooked hehe
[01:01:00] Juski: which part of the boot process does it get to?
[01:01:00] rsdvd: yes I am ...... which are you using?
[01:01:00] Juski: 0.18.1.2 – pretty similar though
[01:01:00] rsdvd: all the way I think.....it has started the webserver and NTP etc...comes after that
[01:02:00] Juski: ouch
[01:02:00] Juski: did you md5 check the image?
[01:02:00] rsdvd: do you think it might be worth downgrading?
[01:02:00] fman: man, fairly stoked I got this microsoft mceusb2 remote working
[01:02:00] rsdvd: yes...the rootfs and kernel both have the same md5 as posted onthe website
[01:03:00] Juski: how much RAM have you allocated to video, rsdvd?
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[01:03:00] Juski: in the BIOS menu I mean
[01:03:00] rsdvd: I haven't......so whatever it comes with as standard
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[01:03:00] Juski: I dunno what it is as default.. try 32M
[01:04:00] Juski: or if it's lower, just leave it for now
[01:04:00] rsdvd: how do you get intot he bios on these things?
[01:04:00] Juski: press DEL at power-up time like with most other things
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[01:05:00] hari_seldon99: Hi
[01:05:00] hari_seldon99: I'm having problems installing another tuner and getting mythtv to tlk to it
[01:06:00] hari_seldon99: here are my system particulars:http://pastebin.ca/26966
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[01:08:00] GeekZoid_: hmm
[01:08:00] hari_seldon99: as you can see, ivtv detects both my pvr350 and pvr150
[01:08:00] GeekZoid_: hey
[01:08:00] GeekZoid_: How is sageTV compared to Mythtv?
[01:09:00] hari_seldon99: I installed the 150 recently
[01:09:00] hari_seldon99: I'm told sagetv sucks
[01:09:00] hari_seldon99: compared to mythtv that is
[01:09:00] ** GeekZoid_ chuckles ok **
[01:09:00] Juski: rsdvd.. just checked the pinouts of the epia lirc receivers for you – they look right
[01:09:00] rsdvd: good
[01:09:00] GeekZoid_: how about viewing tv.. vlc or mythtv?
[01:10:00] Juski: for one thing, sagetv runs on windows doesn't it? and that ain't a good thing, surely ;)
[01:10:00] GeekZoid_: which looks better?
[01:10:00] hari_seldon99: exactly :)
[01:10:00] GeekZoid_: Juski: SageTV has one for linux as well
[01:10:00] Juski: is it free (as in beer) ?
[01:10:00] rsdvd: Juski : I have the bios......Frame Buffer size = 32M
[01:10:00] GeekZoid_: lol.. No SageTV for l inux isnt free
[01:10:00] hari_seldon99: mythtv is better for dedicated pvr systems, for viewing tv on a general purpose PC, U might try tvtime
[01:10:00] Juski: rsdvd.. pop your log into a pastebin
[01:10:00] hari_seldon99: tvtime uses dscaler for deinterlacing audio/video
[01:10:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: I can't use tvtime im using PVR-150 card
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: ya
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: righ
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: t
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: then mythtv
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: So my options are VLC,MythTV,Sagetv
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: hey I'm trying to get my pvr150 to work in mythtv
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: I want something that will look equivelent
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: to my windows software
[01:11:00] hari_seldon99: which is what?
[01:11:00] rsdvd: juski : hang on....just rebooting
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: I got my pvr-150 working with remote too :)
[01:11:00] Juski: don't want much, do you, GeekZoid_ ?
[01:11:00] ** GeekZoid_ chuckles **
[01:11:00] GeekZoid_: nope
[01:12:00] GeekZoid_: just the world
[01:12:00] Juski: same here lol
[01:12:00] GeekZoid_: Well I at least want the LOOK of the tv channels be as clear as windows software
[01:12:00] GeekZoid_: i dont care about the interface
[01:12:00] Juski: oh you'll get that
[01:12:00] GeekZoid_: with MythTV?
[01:12:00] GeekZoid_: or VLC?
[01:12:00] hari_seldon99: Hey I'll dance at the wedding of whoever gives me a hand getting the pvr150–350 dual pair to work in mythtv
[01:12:00] Juski: easy
[01:13:00] GeekZoid_: Juski: how?
[01:13:00] GeekZoid_: I've got it set up for the CPU High usage..
[01:13:00] GeekZoid_: but its still not as clear.
[01:13:00] hari_seldon99: I had the pvr350 working fine solo
[01:13:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: You can't use the scan cable option with pvr-150
[01:13:00] hari_seldon99: but I wanted sumul playback/recording so got a pvr150 MCE
[01:14:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: i dont know if the MCE is compatible
[01:14:00] hari_seldon99: GeekZoid: That's well and good, but ivtvctl picks it up
[01:14:00] hari_seldon99: see http://pastebin.ca/26966
[01:14:00] hari_seldon99: I've pasted it there
[01:14:00] Juski: mce cards are good.. except maybe pvr250mce
[01:14:00] hari_seldon99: ivtvctl -d /dev/video1|grep PVR shows PVR-150
[01:14:00] hari_seldon99: ivtvctl -d /dev/video0|grep PVR shows PVR-350
[01:15:00] GeekZoid_: ok yta
[01:15:00] GeekZoid_: thats what i read on
[01:15:00] GeekZoid_: and i heard pvr250 to pvr150
[01:15:00] GeekZoid_: is it the same to mce?
[01:15:00] hari_seldon99: I ran cat /dev/video0>foobar.mpeg && cat /dev/video1>foobar2.mpeg
[01:15:00] hari_seldon99: both files dumped playback
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[01:15:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: What are you having problems with?
[01:15:00] hari_seldon99: mythfrontend is a slideshow
[01:15:00] hari_seldon99: that's my prob
[01:16:00] hari_seldon99: playback's wAAAAY too slow
[01:16:00] Kabutor: any gentoo user here? Any advice prior to update mysql to 4.1?
[01:16:00] hari_seldon99: and watching live tv often hangs
[01:16:00] rsdvd: juski : http://www.paste.me.uk/87.html – that is the /var/log/messages
[01:16:00] Juski: Kabutor.. is it working? if so – don't upgrade ;)
[01:17:00] roger55: Kabutor, read the upgrade guide and have a good reason to upgrade.
[01:17:00] hari_seldon99: I went to mythtv-setup and added both /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 (tuner 0 for both) as MPEG cards in Capture settings, and linked them to my datadirect subscription in input connections, then set max # of backend jobs to 2 in host specific backend
[01:17:00] hari_seldon99: that should be all, wight?
[01:17:00] Kabutor: I dont want to upgrade, but I like to have the machine up to date, cos I use it as firewall-router as well
[01:18:00] dev-: i got a weird questions, does nuvexport have to be used on the backened that recorded the show? or can it work over the network on another linux box?
[01:18:00] roger55: Kabutor, mysql isn't a trivial upgrade for the sake of being up to date.
[01:18:00] Juski: rsdvd.. damned if I know what's going on there
[01:18:00] rsdvd: LOL.....makes 2 of us
[01:19:00] rsdvd: I though it could be the RAM disk too small....so I made it 96M...still the same
[01:19:00] dev-: i use the box as a mythfrontend, so i know it can talk to it and stuff. but when i run nuvexport on it i get "No recordings found"
[01:19:00] Juski: okay then rsdvd.. post your minimyth.conf in a pastebin
[01:21:00] Juski: could be an idea to post your dhcpd.conf in there too :)
[01:22:00] Juski: rsdvd.. which model of eipa board have you got?
[01:22:00] rsdvd: the M10k
[01:22:00] rsdvd: (on your recommendation :-) )
[01:22:00] Juski: okees – just so we're singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak
[01:23:00] rsdvd: :-)
[01:23:00] rsdvd: just having difficulty with pastebin...files too big to cut & paste :-)
[01:23:00] Juski: so it's unlikely to be a 'never tried in minimyth' configuration
[01:23:00] Juski: you got a webserver handy, rsdvd?
[01:23:00] Juski: lol
[01:23:00] rsdvd: yes
[01:25:00] rsdvd: try here http://www.rsdvd.com/temp/minimyth.conf
[01:26:00] rsdvd: and http://www.rsdvd.com/temp/dhcpd.conf
[01:27:00] Juski: rsdvd.. 1st thing – dunno if it has any bearing, but you've not set MM_X_TV_OUTPUT – it's commented out
[01:27:00] hari_seldon99: Is a firmware upgrade necessary to get the hauppauge pvr150MCE to work with mythtv/knoppmyth?
[01:28:00] Juski: are you going through the composite output, rsdvd?
[01:28:00] hari_seldon99: I just bought it from amazon
[01:28:00] GeekZoid_: Not that I know of Hari
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[01:28:00] GeekZoid_: You need to use the firmware on the disk
[01:28:00] GeekZoid_: to work with ivtv
[01:28:00] hari_seldon99: AH
[01:28:00] hari_seldon99: ok
[01:28:00] rsdvd: juski....I am using the s-video out
[01:28:00] GeekZoid_: But i think if its working through /dev/video
[01:28:00] GeekZoid_: you've got it set up properly
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[01:28:00] rsdvd: ...but at the moment it is just on a VGA
[01:29:00] hari_seldon99: What is the best way to get a dual pvr 150–250 setup working in mythtv?
[01:29:00] GeekZoid_: Both tuners shoudl be pointing to 0
[01:29:00] GeekZoid_: i read that in the docs :p
[01:29:00] hari_seldon99: I've already compiled ivtv for my original 350, do I have to recompile after adding the 150?
[01:29:00] hari_seldon99: GeekZoid: url?
[01:29:00] Juski: rsdvd.. change that line to MM_X_TV_OUTPUT=S-Video
[01:30:00] GeekZoid_: I think it was the mythtv web site
[01:30:00] GeekZoid_: Your trying to configure the 500 right?
[01:30:00] hari_seldon99: GeekZoid: No, 2 cards, the 150 & the 350
[01:30:00] rsdvd: ok.....but X shoudl still work n the VGA without it ?
[01:30:00] hari_seldon99: not the 500
[01:30:00] GeekZoid_: oh ok
[01:30:00] hari_seldon99: I already had the 350, worked fine with ivtv
[01:30:00] Juski: I guess it would, rsdvd. but not sure
[01:30:00] hari_seldon99: I had to compile it
[01:31:00] hari_seldon99: but now I've added a new pvr150 on a separate pci slot
[01:31:00] rsdvd: ok.
[01:31:00] Juski: rsdvd: don't think it'd cause the error you're getting anyway
[01:31:00] hari_seldon99: do I have to flash new firmware
[01:31:00] hari_seldon99: ?
[01:31:00] GeekZoid_: i didnt with my pvr-150
[01:31:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[01:31:00] GeekZoid_: but i used the firmware files on my cdrom
[01:31:00] hari_seldon99: do you have a single 150 or a dual setup?
[01:32:00] GeekZoid_: Single setup
[01:32:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[01:32:00] hari_seldon99: so you did use the firmware files on your cdrom
[01:32:00] GeekZoid_: yup
[01:32:00] GeekZoid_: i copied them over to /lib/modules
[01:32:00] hari_seldon99: ok
[01:32:00] Juski: hari_seldon – the firmware gets loaded at driver loading time.. it's not stored in the card ;)
[01:32:00] ** GeekZoid_ nods to juski **
[01:32:00] hari_seldon99: ok, sorry I didn't understand
[01:32:00] GeekZoid_: ya i was scared at first when i read something 'bout the firmware
[01:33:00] hari_seldon99: so where do I copy the firmware files?
[01:33:00] hari_seldon99: hang on, lemme get my cd
[01:34:00] Juski: rsdvd.. here's a line from my pxelinux.cfg/default file: APPEND vga=788 splash=silent quiet ro root=/dev/ram0 initrd=rootfs-minimyth-0.18.1.2 ramdisk_blocksize=4096 ramdisk=64000
[01:34:00] ** GeekZoid_ ponders **
[01:35:00] rsdvd: Juski.....don;t seem to have made a differnce
[01:35:00] hari_seldon99: ok, I mounted the hauppauge cd in my pvr, now which one's the firmware file?
[01:35:00] dev-: are there any howtos on converting recordings in myth then burning them to dvd?
[01:35:00] hari_seldon99: this one: HcwFalcn.rom ?
[01:36:00] ** GeekZoid_ needs to buy a new hard drive.. **
[01:36:00] GeekZoid_: but all the stores will be closed byt he time im off work
[01:36:00] rsdvd: juski : that line is exactly the same as mine except the name of the rootfs
[01:36:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: go to ivtvs web site..
[01:36:00] GeekZoid_: it tells you which files you need
[01:36:00] hari_seldon99: ok
[01:36:00] GeekZoid_: do a google search for ivtv
[01:37:00] hari_seldon99: I went to www.ivtvdriver.com, am RTFA'ing
[01:37:00] Juski: rsdvd.. getting stumped now
[01:37:00] rsdvd: I have added a TV...and I am getting the start of an X session...then it disappears
[01:37:00] Juski: rsdvd: I'd suggest having a look at www.linpvr.org/forum
[01:38:00] Juski: and that logging looked pretty verbose to me – so who knows what is going on there
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[01:41:00] rsdvd: juski : can you look at my Xorg.0.log and tell me if there is anythig I am missing
[01:41:00] Juski: yeh if you post it, rsdvd
[01:41:00] GeekZoid_: ./kill *!*@*
[01:41:00] GeekZoid_: hmm
[01:41:00] hari_seldon99: hey I already seem to have firmware files in /lib/modules (I'm using knoppmyth) shuld I overwrite them with the files from the cd?
[01:42:00] GeekZoid_: no
[01:42:00] rsdvd: sorry http://www.rsdvd.com/temp/Xorg.0.log
[01:42:00] GeekZoid_: maybe yoru getting a slide show cuz your computer is to slow?
[01:42:00] hari_seldon99: no
[01:42:00] hari_seldon99: It was fine with my pvr30 only
[01:42:00] hari_seldon99: no problems then
[01:42:00] hari_seldon99: and no problems when I remove the pvr150 config from my mythtv-setup
[01:42:00] GeekZoid_: hmm
[01:42:00] hari_seldon99: only when I add it is there a problem
[01:43:00] GeekZoid_: You think a 40GIG samba drive is good enuff for recording tv shows?
[01:43:00] hari_seldon99: The pvr150 works fine, 'cause if I do mplayer /dev/video1 then it works
[01:43:00] Juski: erm rsdvd... is that RADEON I see in the xorg log?
[01:44:00] GeekZoid_: hari_seldon99: Can you change channels with mplayer?
[01:44:00] ** GeekZoid_ wants to try using mplayer for his pvr-150 **
[01:44:00] rsdvd: Mmmmm...maybe I posted the wrong log fromthe wrong server....hang on
[01:45:00] Juski: rsdvd: was gonna say.. no wonder it ain't working lol
[01:45:00] GeekZoid_: hari?
[01:45:00] rsdvd: LOL! I am very tired
[01:45:00] hari_seldon99: GeekZoid: dunno how do do that
[01:45:00] GeekZoid_: Oh ok
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: I wonder if a 40gig hard drive is good enuff
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: for MythTV...
[01:46:00] dev-: if you record in crappy quality it will be
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: hmmm
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: if i did high quality
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: how many hours isit
[01:46:00] dev-: 2.4gig an hour for me
[01:46:00] hari_seldon99: ls
[01:46:00] GeekZoid_: dev-: what quality you use ? high?
[01:47:00] dev-: custom
[01:47:00] GeekZoid_: well a couple hours im ok with then :)
[01:47:00] dev-: 720x480 5000/6500
[01:47:00] GeekZoid_: hmm
[01:48:00] rsdvd: Juski : http://www.paste.me.uk/88.html....the right machines this time
[01:48:00] hari_seldon99: does anybody have a dual pvr card config?
[01:48:00] ** GeekZoid_ disappears into the mist **
[01:48:00] Juski: rsdvd: the only info I've been able to find on ' Error -5 while decompressing' tells me it's down to either a corrupt image or mkcramfs being the wrong version :/
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[01:49:00] rsdvd: I did nto make my own cramfs though....it is from the livpvr page
[01:50:00] rsdvd: can you see anythign obvious in that log file?
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[01:51:00] Juski: rsdvd: looks fine to me.. loads of messages about modes not being supported but it finally gets into 720x576 by the look of it
[01:52:00] rsdvd: Juski : I am going to have to give up on this for tonight.......I have an early satrt
[01:52:00] rsdvd: what are we going to do about these reciveers
[01:52:00] Juski: if you've set the driver to use TV out (judging by you minimyth.conf) and you're not actually using it, that might cause problems, but not (I expect) a decompression error
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[01:52:00] Juski: I'll try & get em tested this weekend rsdvd
[01:53:00] Juski: full day of busy tomorrow but free all day sunday :)
[01:53:00] rsdvd: thanks......you have my email or you can PM me on mythtalk
[01:53:00] Juski: yep
[01:53:00] Kite-: anyone know why libdvdcss isn't on the defaut debian apt-get servers anymore?
[01:53:00] Juski: think I'll be orf too.. out on the hoy tomorrow night.. need my beauty sleep lol
[01:53:00] rsdvd: I know the feeling.......catch you soon (with hopefully a working minimyth)
[01:54:00] Juski: heheh – good luck fella
[01:54:00] Juski: night all
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[01:57:00] hari_seldon99: does anybody have a dual card pvr setup?
[01:57:00] Kite-: yes
[01:57:00] hari_seldon99: good, I'm trying to set mine up but I'm encountering problems
[01:57:00] Kite-: what cards do you have
[01:57:00] hari_seldon99: I have a dual pvr150 pvr350 setup
[01:58:00] hari_seldon99: pvr 150 & pvr 350
[01:58:00] Kite-: k whats up
[01:58:00] hari_seldon99: ivtvctl detects both, one at /dev/video0 and one at /dev/video1
[01:58:00] hari_seldon99: I'm using tv-out on the pvr350 and that works okay
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[01:59:00] hari_seldon99: but in mythtv, using both cards causes frontend to hang and backend to crash
[01:59:00] Kite-: odd
[01:59:00] hari_seldon99: Kite-> Can you tell me what you did to get your setup to work?
[02:00:00] Kite-: i originally had one card, then got another of the same version, plugged it in and it found it immediatly when i rebooted
[02:00:00] Kite-: no problems after that
[02:00:00] hari_seldon99: oh, which crd?
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[02:00:00] Kite-: 2 250's
[02:00:00] hari_seldon99: ok, what did you do in mythtv-setup then?
[02:00:00] fman: hey all
[02:01:00] fman: I've got tv-out working under a radeon 9200
[02:01:00] fman: everything works except for anything that is displaying video!
[02:01:00] fman: sd
[02:01:00] Kite-: i setup the video1 card like i did the video0 card originally, setting it's tuner0 to my cable, zap2it
[02:02:00] hari_seldon99: yeah so did I
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[02:03:00] hari_seldon99: It still hangs. No problem if I remove the /dev/video1 from mythtv-setup and keep only 1 card tho
[02:03:00] hari_seldon99: did you do a firmware replacement?
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[02:03:00] Kite-: maybe it's an incompatability between the cards
[02:04:00] hari_seldon99: but if that's the case, they wouldn't work at all
[02:04:00] hari_seldon99: but they do, just not w mythtv
[02:04:00] hari_seldon99: what distro are you using?
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[02:05:00] Kite-: knoppmyth
[02:05:00] Kite-: soooo.. Debian
[02:05:00] hari_seldon99: me too!
[02:06:00] hari_seldon99: so what's ut /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv and /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv look like?
[02:07:00] Kite-: less /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv
[02:07:00] Kite-: alias char-major-81 videodev
[02:07:00] Kite-: alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c
[02:07:00] Kite-: #options ivtv debug=1
[02:07:00] Kite-: #options tuner type=2
[02:07:00] Kite-: options msp3400 once=1 simple=1
[02:07:00] Kite-: install ivtv /sbin/modprobe tuner; /sbin/modprobe msp3400; /sbin/modprobe saa711
[02:07:00] Kite-: 5; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv
[02:07:00] Kite-: remove ivtv /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove ivtv && /sbin/modprobe -r saa7115
[02:07:00] Kite-: && /sbin/modprobe -r msp3400 && /sbin/modprobe -r tuner
[02:08:00] hari_seldon99: culd you use pastebin? I'd be mighty grateful
[02:08:00] Kite-: sure
[02:08:00] hari_seldon99: thx
[02:09:00] Kite-: http://pastebin.com/409536
[02:09:00] hari_seldon99: got it
[02:09:00] hari_seldon99: lemme cross check with my config
[02:09:00] Kite-: k
[02:09:00] Kite-: i dont have the second one you asked for though
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[02:10:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[02:10:00] hari_seldon99: I see
[02:10:00] hari_seldon99: maybe that's it
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[02:12:00] hari_seldon99: hey, here's my /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv: http://pastebin.com/409541
[02:12:00] hari_seldon99: wonder if the differences mean anything
[02:13:00] hari_seldon99: Kite: You did not have to modprobe ivtv-fb??
[02:13:00] Kite-: i didn't have to do jack
[02:14:00] Kite-: when i booted with the new card it just brought up mythsetup so i could config it and i was done
[02:14:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[02:14:00] hari_seldon99: but originally, when u only had 1 card
[02:14:00] hari_seldon99: then you didn't have to modprobe ivtv-fb at all?
[02:14:00] Kite-: nope
[02:15:00] hari_seldon99: that culd be my problem
[02:15:00] hari_seldon99: lemme check
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[02:19:00] fman: ok, so got tv-out working on a radeon 9200 now
[02:19:00] fman: but the remote stopped working!
[02:20:00] Kite-: lol the remote was the biggest pain for me
[02:20:00] Kite-: i'm going through it again right now
[02:21:00] fman: I had the remote working 100% perfectly!
[02:21:00] fman: TV-out with radeon seems to be lagged
[02:21:00] fman: is that normal ?
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[02:25:00] hari_seldon99: kite-> My tv-out doesn't work without the "modprobe ivtv-fb" command, so I think I'll need it
[02:26:00] Kite-: you that's on the 350, right? do you have another card(nvidia/ati) that can do tv out in the computer?
[02:26:00] hari_seldon99: no
[02:26:00] hari_seldon99: only the 350
[02:27:00] hari_seldon99: My old pvr box does not have agp slots
[02:27:00] Kite-: hmmm, i not sure then
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[02:27:00] Kite-: b/c i never had to mess with any of that
[02:27:00] hari_seldon99: very odd, what version of knoppmyth r u using?
[02:27:00] hari_seldon99: and what version of the ivtv driver?
[02:27:00] Kite-: i just installed r5a22 today
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[02:29:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[02:29:00] hari_seldon99: what version of the driver?
[02:29:00] Kite-: im using .4.0
[02:29:00] hari_seldon99: oh
[02:29:00] hari_seldon99: mine's older
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[02:29:00] hari_seldon99: maybe I'll do a reinstall
[02:29:00] Kite-: might work
[02:29:00] Kite-: the newest version is much slicker too
[02:30:00] hari_seldon99: slicker? How?
[02:30:00] Kite-: boot splash, updated themes
[02:31:00] Kite-: i dunno just looks prettier to me
[02:31:00] hari_seldon99: well, doesn't matter to me, as I can't see bootsplash on my tv
[02:31:00] Kite-: heh
[02:31:00] hari_seldon99: but reinstall seems to be the best way to go
[02:34:00] Kite-: it may be just what is necessary
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[03:02:00] dgilmore: anyone having issues with mythtranscode failing
[03:03:00] dev-: nope
[03:03:00] dgilmore: mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:668: bool MPEG2trans::process_video(AVPacket*, bool): Assertion `0' failed.
[03:03:00] dgilmore: thats what im getting
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[03:08:00] dgilmore: mythtranscode -i 1009_20051026010000_20051026013000.nuv
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Stream: 0 Type: 0
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Stream: 1 Type: 1
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Input #0, mpeg, from '1009_20051026010000_20051026013000.nuv':
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg2video, 480x480, 29.97 fps, 6000 kb/s
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s
[03:08:00] dgilmore: mythtranscode: mpeg2trans.cpp:668: bool MPEG2trans::process_video(AVPacket*, bool): Assertion `0' failed.
[03:08:00] dgilmore: Aborted
[03:09:00] dgilmore: thats the full output
[03:10:00] DCG: is there a way to have a source that automatically prevents recordings from being made on the other sources when its active? ie: i've got source 1: analog cable, source 2: firewire stb, source 3: capturing analog from stb (source2) with the card (source1)
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[03:27:00] Anonycat: mythbackend isn't starting up
[03:27:00] Anonycat: error is "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect, database error was: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost.localdomain' (using password: YES)"
[03:27:00] Anonycat: The mythtv user has been created
[03:34:00] dev-: then the passwords wrong
[03:35:00] dev-: try connecting to it manually and see what happens
[03:36:00] Anonycat: I haven't used MySQL before, so what is "connecting manually"?
[03:36:00] dev-: with a mysql client
[03:36:00] dev-: man mysql
[03:36:00] dev-: that'll tell ya how to do it
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[03:41:00] Anonycat: mysql accepts user mythtv with password
[03:41:00] dev-: then that means its setup wrong in myth right?
[03:41:00] dev-: since you can connect to it, but myth cant
[03:42:00] Anonycat: Should I try myth-setup again?
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[03:50:00] Dagmar: I think *maybe* the backend doesn't expect to need a password.
[03:50:00] Dagmar: I don't seem to remember noticing any place to set one either.
[03:50:00] dev-: you probably set it up default
[03:51:00] dev-: mythtv/mythtv username/pass
[03:51:00] Anonycat: yes
[03:51:00] Dagmar: I didn't set it at all, actually. About the only thing I've been doing is feeding the mc.sql script to mysql to set up the account and tables.
[03:52:00] dev-: k
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[03:53:00] Dagmar: Yeah, looking at the file, it doesn't set a password on that account by default.
[03:54:00] Anonycat: Tried it with no password, and it still fails.
[03:56:00] Dagmar: So you can't connect as the mythtv user at all? mysql -u mythtv
[03:58:00] dev-: he said he could earlier soo who knows
[03:58:00] dev-: it helps to know mysql when useing myth, heh
[03:58:00] dev-: just like it helps to know how to point and click when you use windows
[03:58:00] Dagmar: Yeah, definitely
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[04:00:00] DCG: anyone have dsmyth working with mythtv 0.19-svn?
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[04:04:00] Anonycat: "mysql -u mythtv" with no password gets access denied
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[04:16:00] Dagmar: So try `mysql -u mythtv -p` and then enter the password that you think might work
[04:16:00] Dagmar: If you can then login, you'd probably better either a) tell MythTV about the password (which I'm not sure is possible) or b) remove the password
[04:17:00] Dagmar: If the box is a single, standalone frontend/backend, and you're not like, giving shell accounts to people, you can just disable networking for the mysql server and not stress over not having a password on such a limited-use account
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[04:21:00] KuR-RupT: whats a good cheap card thats compatible with linux to use myth tv?
[04:22:00] Anonycat: -p does work, and it's a single standalone box
[04:22:00] KuR-RupT: iam not looking to spend alot of money
[04:22:00] Anonycat: I added skip-networking to MySQL, and mythbackend now starts fine, but frontend still gives "Myth couldn't connect to the database"
[04:22:00] erich141: hi all, can anyone help with 2-source configuration? I am trying to use PVR-250 for both cable and SAT, cable connected to tuner0, SAT to s-video
[04:23:00] erich141: I can not find how I can tell MythTV to use 2-nd sound card for SAT audio
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[04:24:00] mchou: erich141: why would you need to?
[04:24:00] mchou: erich141: how are you recording sat?
[04:24:00] erich141: mchou: well tuner audio-out is connected to first sound card line-in
[04:25:00] erich141: mchou: through sattelite-reciever, IR b;aster controls it
[04:25:00] mchou: erich141: what HW is the "SAT" tuner?
[04:25:00] erich141: top box
[04:25:00] mchou: erich141: like you use a pvr 150?
[04:25:00] erich141: not a PC card
[04:25:00] mchou: for satellite
[04:26:00] erich141: I use pvr250 for cable
[04:26:00] mchou: and for satellite?
[04:26:00] mchou: what HW in PC?
[04:26:00] erich141: and s-video input of the same card for SAT
[04:26:00] mchou: so?
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[04:26:00] erich141: sattelite reciever connected to SVideo in of PRV250
[04:27:00] erich141: no PC hardware
[04:27:00] mchou: and connect the audio to aud-in to the pvr250
[04:27:00] erich141: Audio from SAT receirver goes to 2-nd sound card
[04:27:00] mchou: erich141: it doesnt need to go to a 2nd sound card
[04:27:00] erich141: hm is there aud-in in PVR250? let me check :)
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[04:28:00] fman: ok – back again
[04:28:00] fman: got the pvr 150 working for input, and finally the ATI 9200 for TV-output
[04:29:00] fman: but there is a 5 second lag between input and output
[04:29:00] fman: is this normal
[04:29:00] fman: seems a little excessive
[04:29:00] dev-: you mean for timeshifting livetv?
[04:29:00] erich141: mchou: indeed, I thought it was line-out lol, did not touch it for more that a year. Thanks :)
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[04:29:00] fman: watching live tv
[04:29:00] dev-: yes, thast normal
[04:29:00] dev-: no, thats not excessive
[04:29:00] fman: ah ok then
[04:30:00] fman: cool
[04:30:00] fman: going to go plug this into the cable feed
[04:33:00] eiggirC: dumb question time.... is there anything at all about the PVR-150 MCE version that would stop it working under mythtv ?
[04:36:00] fman: nope
[04:36:00] fman: I'm using one
[04:36:00] eiggirC: great
[04:36:00] eiggirC: I've fucked up and bid way too much on a PVR-150 on trademe.co.nz
[04:36:00] eiggirC: <-- fool
[04:36:00] fman: ah
[04:36:00] fman: I'm in nz also
[04:36:00] fman: back in a minute
[04:36:00] eiggirC: the plain PVR 150 is $232 to buy
[04:36:00] eiggirC: a PVR-150MCE is $150 NZ
[04:36:00] taer: the PVR 150 doesn't have a header like the 500 does... I was gonna use if for my digital cable, but there are no composite inputs.. :(
[04:37:00] taer: i have 2 tuners via a 500, wondering if I should just buy a second 500
[04:37:00] eiggirC: $138 NZ inc GST in fact
[04:37:00] taer: or just keep this one. Anyone use the remote w/ the PVR150? Any good compared to streamzap?
[04:37:00] fman: thats ok
[04:38:00] fman: I paid that retail though
[04:38:00] fman: $138 at ascent
[04:38:00] eiggirC: heh fair enough.
[04:38:00] eiggirC: the trademe one comes with a "mvp" which sounds like a mythtv-frontend in a box
[04:39:00] eiggirC: http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_de . . . ?id=38694368
[04:40:00] GreyFoxx: The MVP are nifty little units. I use one for one of my frontends
[04:40:00] eiggirC: yeah?
[04:40:00] eiggirC: thanks – that makes me feel better
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[04:49:00] Dagmar: taer: The 500 has the header for the *second* set of composite and s-video inputs.
[04:50:00] Dagmar: I am a little lost as to what the freaking second header socket does tho
[04:50:00] taer: yeah
[04:50:00] taer: Dagmar: oh. damn, no idea..
[04:51:00] taer: Dagmar: I just got a 150.. its different. the 150 has no way to connect that header(and no inputs for RCA audio)
[04:51:00] Dagmar: I think it would be a bit much to expect there to ever be a firmware upgrade to add a third tuner.  ;)
[04:51:00] Dagmar: Oush
[04:51:00] Dagmar: er Ouch
[04:51:00] taer: haha
[04:51:00] triplep: anyone have myth freeze when trying to preview upcoming recordings?
[04:52:00] triplep: this is the second time tonight
[04:52:00] Dark`-`: why would i have like 10 mysql and 10 mythtv running :(
[04:52:00] Dark`-`: taking all my memory!
[04:55:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: It's just showing you each of the threads
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[04:55:00] Dark`-`: oh they arent kept internal?
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[04:56:00] Dark`-`: most of the other programs i use have many threads but only 1 process shows
[04:56:00] GreyFoxx: they use to be not shown, but at somepoint that changed and now ps shows you the threads as well as the main process
[04:56:00] Dark`-`: ok
[04:56:00] Dark`-`: well as long as they are just threads thats good
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[04:57:00] Dark`-`: got my VGA to RCA cable today :)
[04:57:00] Dark`-`: just gotta pick up the moto set-top tomorrow and i think im finally all set
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[05:02:00] fman: anyone know which pal format is used in New Zealand?
[05:02:00] DCG: fman: prolly pal-i
[05:02:00] DCG: fman: or maybe pal-m
[05:03:00] eiggirC: well – that card went for $162.50 NZ
[05:04:00] eiggirC: (and a MVP playback box)
[05:04:00] eiggirC: I can buy a new card for $138 NZ
[05:04:00] fman: pam-m is brazil only I think
[05:04:00] fman: my tv is from Europe and works fine here
[05:04:00] fman: so what ever is used there
[05:04:00] DCG: ok, so PAL-N
[05:04:00] DCG: i think
[05:05:00] fman: ok – UK is PAL-I
[05:05:00] DCG: i never understood the countless varieties of pal other than m
[05:05:00] fman: NZ is PAL-B
[05:05:00] DCG: NEW ZEALAND PAL B PAL G
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[05:05:00] fman: I configured for pal-m originally and the tv baulked a bit :)
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[05:06:00] DCG: PAL B/G is the frequency set i think
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[05:06:00] DCG: cause the video signal shouldnt change much
[05:07:00] DCG: my memory has faded
[05:07:00] DCG: wish i could figure out how to setup for recording encrypted channels
[05:08:00] DCG: but i dont think mythtv is quite ready to handle the setup i need
[05:12:00] Boonie: need some help
[05:13:00] Boonie: got myth up and running but I seem to have a problem with filling the database
[05:13:00] Boonie: when i run mythfilldatabase I get this
[05:13:00] Boonie: inux:/mnt/store # mythfilldatabase
[05:13:00] Boonie: 2005-10–28 23:04:41.273 New DB connection, total: 1
[05:13:00] Boonie: 2005-10–28 23:04:41.291 New DB connection, total: 2
[05:13:00] Boonie: Refreshing Tomorrow's data
[05:13:00] Boonie: 2005-10–28 23:04:41.293 New DB DataDirect connection
[05:13:00] Boonie: Retrieving datadirect data...
[05:13:00] Boonie: Grabbing data for Fri Oct 28 2005 offset 1
[05:13:00] Boonie: From : Sat Oct 29 04:00:00 2005 To : Sun Oct 30 04:00:00 2005 (UTC)
[05:13:00] Boonie: --23:04:41-- http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService
[05:14:00] Boonie: => `-'
[05:14:00] Boonie: Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... 206.18.98.160
[05:14:00] Boonie: Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected.
[05:14:00] dev-: god... go away
[05:14:00] Boonie: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized
[05:14:00] Boonie: Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected.
[05:14:00] triplep: mmm pastebin?
[05:14:00] Boonie: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized
[05:14:00] Boonie: Authorization failed.
[05:14:00] Boonie: Grab complete. Actual data from Grabbing XMLTV data using linux:/mnt/store #
[05:14:00] dev-: pasting shit without asking real freaking lame dude
[05:14:00] Boonie: I can't tell if it ran or not
[05:14:00] DCG: holy bajinkies
[05:14:00] DCG: no, it didnt
[05:14:00] Boonie: sry, new to this
[05:14:00] DCG: check your user/pass settings
[05:15:00] dev-: you see the "authorization failed" message? thats your problem
[05:15:00] dev-: either your username/password is wrong or you didnt setup an account.
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[05:15:00] Boonie: I set up an account
[05:15:00] dev-: then thats 1 possibility down then :)
[05:15:00] Boonie: those settings are in the backend?
[05:15:00] dev-: in mythsetup
[05:16:00] eiggirC: YAY! Just ordered a PVR-150 for me. Is there any point keeping the crap SAA7134 card in the myth box as well? I never got it working other than in xawtv
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[05:17:00] Boonie: hmm, mythtv-setup looks different now
[05:17:00] Boonie: can't find the user/pw settings
[05:17:00] dev-: its in there ;)
[05:18:00] dev-: channel sources or something like that
[05:18:00] dev-: i dont want to open it right now because im dvdaurthoring
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[05:21:00] Boonie: np
[05:21:00] Boonie: still looking :-P
[05:22:00] eiggirC: cheers all
[05:24:00] mchou: eiggirC: you had saa7134 working?
[05:24:00] mchou: eiggirC: I always thought that didnt work for ntsc in linux.....
[05:25:00] eiggirC: mchou: we have PAL here in New Zealand
[05:25:00] eiggirC: mchou: it works perfectly with xawtv, but mythtv couldn't do much with it.
[05:25:00] mchou: eiggirC: ok. makes sense then
[05:25:00] mchou: eiggirC: it's v4l card, no?
[05:26:00] Boonie: dev- my database user and pw don't have to be the same as the user and pw I set up with zap2it do they?
[05:26:00] dev-: no
[05:26:00] mchou: if it works w/ xawtv myth should be able to work w/it too.
[05:26:00] eiggirC: mchou: yes, its a v4l card – a dumb framebuffer.
[05:26:00] eiggirC: mchou: the machine was too gutless – a P3 866
[05:26:00] mchou: eiggirC: ok, that explains that then :)
[05:27:00] mchou: eiggirC: so not a myth shortcoming :)
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[05:30:00] Boonie: dev-: is there a command I can run from console to have it prompt for user and pw, I can't seem to find the right screen in the prog for it
[05:31:00] eiggirC: mchou: yeah – sucks to be me :-\ and its the best machine I own too.
[05:31:00] eiggirC: oh – is there a frontend for mythtv for sparc ?
[05:32:00] mchou: eiggirC: P3 866 is PERFECT for myth backend with pvr-x50
[05:33:00] mchou: eiggirC: I have P3–800 with 4 pvr150s :)
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[05:36:00] eiggirC: mchou: hmmm thanks :)
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[05:36:00] Ryushin: eiggirc: That would be good if it could work on sparc. I have a e3400 in the basement with 32 procs and 32 GB of RAM. It's now powered up through. Sucks WAY to much juice.
[05:37:00] Ryushin: Will the PCI cards work in sparc boxes? I have a Ultra10 as well and it has PCI slots.
[05:37:00] mchou: Ryushin: haha, would love to see the electric bill for that one
[05:38:00] Ryushin: I have a 15 drive disk pack with 72 and 36 gb drives in it as well. It also is kept turned off.
[05:38:00] Ryushin: Oracle was throwing them away, so my friend snagged it for me. It is 5 years old at this point, and they are the slower procs. But still, it's 32 way.  :)
[05:38:00] mchou: Ryushin: redundant PS? :)
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[05:39:00] Ryushin: Ummm.... I think so. The thing takes up a half cab. I'ts been sitting in the basement for the last six months gathering dust.
[05:40:00] Ryushin: I did take the disk pack and got a scsi differential card to plug it into my debian server. Though that thing would cost me about 15–30 bucks a month in electricty by itself.
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[05:43:00] Ryushin: I've been working with DanielK on the dev list to fix the problems with xvmc and the HD3000 card. Hopefully I'll be able to get him all the information he needs in order to debug it.
[05:43:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: 32 way *anything* is good
[05:43:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: I have a SS1000 at work... haven't got an OS for it though.
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[05:43:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: I had a three way compaq proliant at one point – ran well, but used 1.5 Amps at 240 Volt all the time
[05:44:00] eiggirC: even when it was off it sucked 0.5 A @240 V
[05:44:00] eiggirC: thats about the same as 3 amps at 120 V
[05:44:00] eiggirC: $80/mo for power for 24/7
[05:45:00] Ryushin: Also, I got software HD decoding working on my measly Sempron 2600+ which is 1600 mhz and I overlclocked it to 2000 mhz. Using libmpeg2.
[05:45:00] Ryushin: I'm going to check on the power on that sparc. brb.
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[05:45:00] mchou: Ryushin: what res, and no frame skips?
[05:48:00] Ryushin: That e3500 consumes 1440 watts of juice. Good thing I don't have it running.  :)
[05:49:00] Ryushin: 720p. Not fram skips. 75–85% cpu, depending. Watching it right now.
[05:49:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: flogg it on ebay... make some bling
[05:49:00] eiggirC: or donate it to obsolyte.com
[05:51:00] Ryushin: XvMC seems to be broken in SVN right now. Bummer because they finally added OSD chromakey.
[05:51:00] Ryushin: At least XvMC is broken for me right now.
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[05:52:00] Ryushin: It has three power supplies and weighs about 150 pounds. Don't even want to imagine what shipping and insurance would be on it.
[05:52:00] eidolon: hey folks – anyone up for helping me with a new knoppmyth problem? new installation, all went pretty well – nvideo working, ivtv -seems- bound properly, but when i do 'watch tv', the screen goes blank – no alt-tab no nothin. the console window gives the 'Could not start livetv' message and just keeps cycling.
[05:52:00] Ryushin: mchou: I think my compile flags made quite a bit of difference too.
[05:53:00] Ryushin: eidolan: Are you wathing through a PVR-*50 card, or are you watching through a video card?
[05:53:00] eidolon: PVR-150 is the encoder, and i'm trying to watch through my VGA screen
[05:54:00] eidolon: eidolon, btw :)
[05:54:00] ** eidolon was wondering why x-chat didn't trigger :) **
[05:54:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: someone will pay silly money for it...
[05:54:00] eiggirC: specially if its "working perfectly"
[05:54:00] eiggirC: I sold an alpha from 1993 for $400 NZ
[05:54:00] eiggirC: and the buyer paid $125 extra to freight it to another city.
[05:55:00] eiggirC: thats about $320 US plus $100 US for freight
[05:55:00] eidolon: Ryushin: any suggestions?
[05:55:00] Boonie: dev-: thnx for the help, got it working now :)
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[05:55:00] fman: cool
[05:55:00] fman: all working fine
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[05:56:00] eidolon: is anyone using knoppmyth (latest version) on an Athlon? i'm seeing 'some' references to a problem like this on 64 bit systems... i built using the 'i686' option... i'm wondering if that might be it.
[05:56:00] Ryushin: eidolan: Oh wait, that doesn't have a decoder. I had that problem because I had the option select to watch using the pvr-350 decoder. You might want to double check to make sure it's not checked.
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[05:57:00] eidolon: hmm.
[05:57:00] eidolon: Ryushin: where can i check that?
[05:57:00] ** eidolon is -very- new to mythtv. **
[05:57:00] Ryushin: It's in the frontend, under playback.
[05:57:00] eiggirC: what distro do you all recommend for a backend box?
[05:57:00] fman: I'm using a athlon 64 3000
[05:57:00] eidolon: er... where?  :)
[05:57:00] eiggirC: I've been trying debian, but its just a bit tempramental
[05:57:00] fman: but didn't specify the i686 modules
[05:57:00] eidolon: mmm. debian.
[05:58:00] fman: all working fine
[05:58:00] Ryushin: eiggirc: tomsrtbt.
[05:58:00] eidolon: fman: yah, this isn't an athlon 64.
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[05:58:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: for real?
[05:58:00] eidolon: ah, i found playback.
[05:59:00] eidolon: Ryushin: 'use libmpeg2 for decoding' is -not- checked.
[05:59:00] Ryushin: eiggirc: no. Hell no. Just being funny.
[05:59:00] eiggirC: Ryushin: *stare* funny man
[05:59:00] eiggirC: -grin-
[05:59:00] fman: the only small problem I have now is that the screen is centered a little two high
[05:59:00] Ryushin: ediolan: Not that. Keep going. You should see something about using the pvr-250/350 for viewing.
[05:59:00] eiggirC: seriously – I've ued debian for most stuff in the last five years... this might be a good reason to try something new.
[05:59:00] Ryushin: At least I do.
[05:59:00] eidolon: ok
[06:00:00] eiggirC: if anyone says LFS I'll whack you :)
[06:00:00] eidolon: aha
[06:00:00] eidolon: i see it
[06:00:00] eidolon: Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder
[06:00:00] eidolon: that is not checked.
[06:00:00] Ryushin: LFS.
[06:00:00] Dagmar: Something wrong with LFS?
[06:00:00] eidolon: debian is rock solid for me on everything.
[06:00:00] DCG: lfs takes too long
[06:00:00] Dagmar: I mean, other than it's gonna take you three solid days to get the basics running...
[06:00:00] Ryushin: I run debian as well.
[06:01:00] DCG: unless you have Ryushin's basment to compile on.
[06:01:00] Ryushin: If someone is new, they shoudl use knoppmyth.
[06:01:00] Ryushin: LOL!!!!
[06:01:00] eidolon: <-- new. using knoppmyth. failing  :)
[06:01:00] ** eidolon weeps quietly. **
[06:01:00] eidolon: :)
[06:02:00] Ryushin: eidolan: It took me 1 week to get my pvr-350 working. And the next 30 days getting my HD-3000 working. Don't get discouraged.
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[06:02:00] eidolon: heh. i'm not discouraged yet :) i'm just stymied about what to -try- next.
[06:02:00] eidolon: it's not giving me a lot to go by.
[06:03:00] Ryushin: eidolon: But I remember someone here having the exact same problem with that card a couple of weeks ago. I think you need to browse the ivtv mailing lists to see what people are doing.
[06:03:00] eidolon: hrm.
[06:03:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Have you enabled logging on the frontend yet? You need to see what is going on.
[06:03:00] eidolon: i have not. i'm not sure how.
[06:03:00] eidolon: i usually start the front end in an xterm and watch output on that.
[06:04:00] eidolon: but the output is pretty limited to 'cannot start livetv' and the ilke.
[06:04:00] Ryushin: Start the front end like this: mythfrontend -v playback -l /var/log/mythtv/frontend.log
[06:04:00] eidolon: okay, hang on.
[06:04:00] eiggirC: gentoo seems to be the answer.... or maybe more gentoo/mythtv users post to mailing lists.
[06:04:00] Ryushin: Then "tail -f /var/log/mythtv/frontend.log" from another xterm.
[06:05:00] Ryushin: eiggirc: There sure are a lot of gentoo users, using myth. More of them then I think using debian.
[06:05:00] eidolon: starting.
[06:06:00] eidolon: okay, output on frontend.log is: "Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV" "Using protocol veersion 18" "LiveTV not successfully started" "Attempting to change from None to None"
[06:06:00] eidolon: repeat. :)
[06:06:00] Ryushin: eidolon: It provides a lot of detail. Take your time and go through it. I should point to what the problem is. You also need to watch the mythbackend log as well.
[06:07:00] Ryushin: Look at the mythbackend log now.
[06:07:00] eidolon: looking
[06:08:00] eidolon: ooooooo
[06:08:00] eidolon: Unkonwn video codec. Please go into TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.
[06:08:00] eidolon: Assuming RTjpeg for now. NVR: Error, unknown audio codec...
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[06:08:00] eidolon: a path to check! *looks*
[06:10:00] eidolon: what is a 'transcoder' ?
[06:12:00] Ryushin: transcoder is what you will use to make your recording smaller after you've recorded it. It converts from something like mpeg2 to mpeg4.
[06:13:00] eidolon: gotcha. i have my 'livetv profile' set to use the MPEG-4 codec
[06:13:00] eidolon: which i assume is what i want, yes?
[06:13:00] eidolon: as opposed to rtjpeg?
[06:13:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Well, the pvr-*50 encodes using mpeg2.
[06:13:00] DCG: you have a decent cpu? then mpeg4 will save you disk space at the sacrifice of quality
[06:14:00] eidolon: i have a decent cpu, yes.
[06:14:00] Ryushin: Than you transcode from mpeg2 to mpeg4.
[06:14:00] eidolon: well, the only codecs listed for Software Encoders (v4l based) -> live tv -> video compression are MPEG-4 and RTjpeg
[06:15:00] Ryushin: DCG: I thought mpeg4 didn't sacrifice quality. It just took a lot of processing power to convert to it.
[06:15:00] DCG: Ryushin: well, mpeg2 -> mpeg4 loses quality, but can save you disk space
[06:15:00] DCG: since transcoding was mentioned...
[06:16:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Well, I think something is wrong then. Do you have the right device selected in mythtv-setup?
[06:16:00] eidolon: i think so :-/
[06:16:00] eidolon: sorry if i'm sounding like a total dweeb here.
[06:16:00] Ryushin: DCG: Really. That might explain my quality problems.  :)
[06:16:00] eidolon: also, under General Playback... theres [ ] Use libmpeg2 for decoding
[06:16:00] eidolon: which is unchecked.
[06:16:00] Ryushin: Maybe I should keep my programs in mpeg2 then.
[06:17:00] Ryushin: eidolon: You'll probably want libmpeg2 or none at all. If you have enough processor, then you probably will just want to use Xv which is standard.
[06:17:00] eidolon: okay
[06:17:00] eidolon: one last bit – on the Hardware Decoding Settings... there's 'Use hardware XvMC MPEG Decoding...'
[06:17:00] eidolon: also unchecked.
[06:18:00] Ryushin: Unless you're doing HD, and unless your proc is under 1 ghz, then you can leave this turned off.
[06:18:00] eidolon: okay
[06:18:00] eidolon: so here should i check about device selection? ir emember seeing that somewhere.
[06:19:00] Ryushin: Unless you want to play with it. It overloads a lot of your processing by the nvidia card. But I've had problems with it.
[06:19:00] Ryushin: Yea, look at what device you are using. Start mythtv-setup and look in there.
[06:19:00] eidolon: ok sec
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[06:20:00] eidolon: ah.
[06:20:00] ** eidolon selects capture cards **
[06:20:00] Dagmar: You'll probably want to leave hardware XvMC turned off for now unless you're using the svn releases
[06:20:00] eidolon: [ V4L: /dev/video0 ]
[06:20:00] eidolon: card type: standard v4l capture card
[06:20:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Keep changing devices.
[06:21:00] eidolon: crickey, there's a zillion
[06:21:00] eidolon: /dev/video[somenumber]
[06:21:00] eidolon: but on the console, swithcing to them i see 'Couldn't open /dev/video31 to probe its inputs'
[06:22:00] eidolon: /dev/video0 has a default input (S-Video 0)
[06:22:00] eidolon: ooo. want to change that to tuner 0, yes?
[06:22:00] Ryushin: The card type is "mpeg-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500).
[06:22:00] Ryushin: yes.
[06:23:00] eidolon: well, the 'card type' is a write-in field looks like.
[06:23:00] eidolon: ohh!@
[06:23:00] eidolon: no!
[06:23:00] eidolon: hah. VERY BAD design there.
[06:23:00] eidolon: it has no pulldown arrow.
[06:23:00] Ryushin: You should be able to use your arrow keys to move it.
[06:23:00] eidolon: ahhhhh.
[06:23:00] Ryushin: right and left.
[06:23:00] eidolon: yup, i see it now.
[06:23:00] eidolon: yeah, but traditionally a 'down arrow' is there to show me it can do that.
[06:23:00] eidolon: okay, got MPEG-2 Encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)
[06:23:00] Ryushin: The design is actually good once you know what to expect. Almost everything can be done with just the arror keys. Like on your remote.
[06:24:00] eidolon: changed default input to tuner 0
[06:24:00] eidolon: yup.
[06:24:00] Ryushin: That's it.
[06:24:00] Ryushin: You need to go to step 3, then 4, then 5.
[06:24:00] eidolon: on 3 now.
[06:24:00] eidolon: i already pulled my lineups.
[06:24:00] eidolon: i don't need to do it again, do i?
[06:24:00] Ryushin: eidolon: Okay have fun. I think I'm going to turn in.
[06:24:00] Ryushin: No, you won't need to do it again.
[06:24:00] eidolon: okay Ryushin... thanks TONS for your help.
[06:25:00] eidolon: don't want to see if it worked?  :)
[06:25:00] Ryushin: In the input connection, make SURE you specify a channel that you card will be able to pick up.
[06:25:00] Ryushin: Wife is calling. That overrides everything.  :)
[06:26:00] eidolon: hm, still got livetv not successfully started, but i'll keep tinkering.
[06:26:00] eidolon: night night. again, thanks :)
[06:28:00] fman: anyone able to recomend a decent atx case
[06:29:00] fman: without a riser config, so big enough for vertical expansion cards
[06:29:00] fman: media friendly of course
[06:29:00] Dagmar: I'm doing good just to find one online that doesn't offend my sense of aesthetics
[06:29:00] Dagmar: If you don't care what it looks like, Antec makes very nice cases
[06:29:00] Dagmar: ...and by "don't care" I mean "can you tolerate boring and square"
[06:30:00] eidolon: <-- boring and square.
[06:31:00] Dagmar: I like this "ammo" case Newegg has.
[06:31:00] Dagmar: I'm on the fence about the utility of some of it's side vents, but I can block those up if need be
[06:31:00] Ryushin: Cases: http://www.silverstonetek.com/ I have the LC17.
[06:31:00] eidolon: if i get this actually working, i'll see about a sexy case.
[06:31:00] Ryushin: night all.
[06:32:00] eidolon: and a LOT of disk space.
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[06:34:00] eidolon: HOLY SHIT I HAVE A PICTURE!!!!!
[06:34:00] eidolon: it's all static
[06:34:00] eidolon: but it's a picture 8)
[06:34:00] dev-: hehe nice
[06:34:00] eidolon: well fuck me.
[06:35:00] eidolon: it's working.
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[06:36:00] eidolon: you know.
[06:36:00] eidolon: this is activing like it's receiving broadcast tv.
[06:36:00] eidolon: not cable.
[06:37:00] [Xander]: is there a way to get pvr350 recordings to STAY mpeg2 after transcoding out commercials? I don't like that it changes them to mpeg4.
[06:37:00] dev-: turn off auto-transcoding then xander
[06:37:00] dev-: only reason it transcodes them to mpeg4 is because you set it up to do so
[06:37:00] FITH: eidolon: check all of the possible inputs... I think cable is input 4 on my 350
[06:38:00] [Xander]: ummm but if i transcode a file to delete commercials, can i tell it to leave it in mpeg2 format?
[06:38:00] eidolon: when you say 'inputs' you talkinga bout physical? or configurations on mythtv?
[06:38:00] FITH: eidolon: Stuff in mythtv
[06:38:00] eidolon: okay... in mythtv-setup?
[06:39:00] dev-: there's no "if commercialflagging is on, dont transcode, but if commercialflagging is off leave it mpeg2"
[06:39:00] dev-: you either turn on auto-transcode or you turn it off
[06:39:00] FITH: uh.... yeah.... If I remember right... last time I went through that was Nov. 2004 :)
[06:39:00] eidolon: hee . okay :)
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[06:42:00] [Xander]: I don't think i'm explaining very well. I want to mark up a recording with cut list, then re-record it without the cut out bits. If i use mythfrontend for this, it records it as mpeg4, not leaving it as mpeg2.
[06:42:00] [Xander]: (to save HD space on cartoons that we keep forever)
[06:43:00] dev-: i dont do that in myth
[06:43:00] [Xander]: ahh
[06:43:00] dev-: its too limiting
[06:44:00] dev-: i use avidemux2 and tcmplex and dvdauthor to make the mdvds
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[06:44:00] dev-: do the commercial cutting in avidemux
[06:44:00] dev-: its very quick and easy.
[06:45:00] dev-: doing it right now actually with samurai champloo episodes
[06:45:00] dev-: hehe\
[06:45:00] [Xander]: I just need to delete out the commercials, intro, end credits, etc, but leave it inside of mythtv if i use avidemux will it leave it in mythtv for the frontend to see?
[06:45:00] eidolon: hmm.
[06:45:00] dev-: no
[06:45:00] [Xander]: ahh, there's the rub
[06:45:00] eidolon: fith – i have 2 inputs – tuner 0 and tuner 1.... and the s-video and composite inputs.
[06:45:00] eidolon: can't seem to change to cable :(
[06:46:00] eidolon: unless... do i need to restart mythbackend if i make a change in mythtv-setup ?
[06:46:00] dev-: yeah ive never had to worry about that. lots of space, by the time i put them on dvd ive outplayed them and its all good
[06:47:00] [Xander]: i'm just looking to trim down the kid's cartoons to leave room for other shows. (only have 300GB, and I'll fill that up fast!)
[06:47:00] dev-: i make the woman delete her shows after she watches them
[06:47:00] [Xander]: hehe
[06:47:00] dev-: she records all kinds of crap, probably asm uch as your kids cartoons
[06:48:00] [Xander]: mine does that too... and then she never watches them!
[06:48:00] dev-: she can keep the maround until about 30gig of free space, then i lay down the hammer and she has to delete them. or give me a list of the ones she wants on dvd
[06:48:00] dev-: really all you can do..
[06:48:00] dev-: she understands if it fills up she misses her shows
[06:48:00] dev-: understands the consequences of not listing to me :P
[06:48:00] [Xander]: i don't understand why transcode has to change the format.
[06:48:00] dev-: it doesnt have to
[06:49:00] dev-: you can go int othe profile and leave it mpeg2
[06:49:00] dev-: but it still wont cut shit out like you want
[06:49:00] [Xander]: you should just have her shows expire REALLY fast.
[06:49:00] dev-: thats manual.
[06:49:00] [Xander]: ?
[06:49:00] dev-: ?
[06:49:00] [Xander]: i know i have to manually mark up the show, but then can i just hit 'transcode' and keep it as mpeg2?
[06:50:00] dev-: <dev-> you can go int othe profile and leave it mpeg2
[06:50:00] [Xander]: odd... i don't rem seeing that option. (will check now)
[06:50:00] dev-: you can choose to transcode to whatever you want
[06:51:00] dev-: mpeg4 is just what it says by default
[06:51:00] [Xander]: the only other option i have is rtjpeg
[06:51:00] [Xander]: under the transcode profile
[06:52:00] dev-: hrm
[06:52:00] dev-: could have sworn you could leave it mpeg2 in there
[06:53:00] [Xander]: check... maybe mines screwed up.
[06:53:00] dev-: i did.
[06:53:00] [Xander]: i wish i COULD leave it as mpeg2
[06:54:00] [Xander]: after transcode, it won't play on my wife's XP machine.
[06:54:00] dev-: is that why you want to leave it mpeg2?
[06:54:00] [Xander]: yup
[06:54:00] dev-: thats pretty easy to fix, you just need an mpeg4 codec
[06:54:00] dev-: for mplayer
[06:55:00] dev-: or you could install/use vlc — its free and lightweight and has neato features
[06:55:00] [Xander]: mplayer as in the linux mplayer or microsoft's media player?
[06:56:00] dev-: media
[06:56:00] [Xander]: i'd really like to keep her on media player, as she knows how to use that (she's not tech savvy)
[06:56:00] [Xander]: hmmm
[06:56:00] dev-: would she need to know it? just setup the file extention to launce vlc instead
[06:56:00] [Xander]: will have to test that again. Just install a divx codec? or something else?
[06:57:00] dev-: it has play/stop buttons :)
[06:57:00] dev-: yeah that would probably do it
[06:57:00] [Xander]: is xvid and divx compatable pseudo-same?
[06:58:00] dev-: they're different, i think you need seperate codecs for media player for those
[06:58:00] dev-: media player is just crap
[06:58:00] dev-: heh
[06:59:00] dev-: but then again i dont use windows here
[06:59:00] dev-: my gf uses linux too — though she has no choice in this house heh
[06:59:00] [Xander]: wife/work/etc make it a necessity
[06:59:00] dev-: nah
[06:59:00] dev-: gf is proof a woman can use unix
[06:59:00] dev-: just needs to be setup right for them thats all.
[07:00:00] dev-: shes got her icons, her games, openoffice for her work shit, no prob
[07:00:00] dev-: burns cds and everything hehe
[07:00:00] [Xander]: my wife is the end user from hell..
[07:00:00] dev-: my gf is computer illliterate too
[07:01:00] dev-: it took quite some trial and error to get the remote setup for myth for her
[07:02:00] [Xander]: i keep having frontend crashes at the end of programs (occasionally) and then I get called to help her get it launched. (I created an icon for her and everything!)
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[07:02:00] dev-: see, you can fix that
[07:03:00] dev-: just use xdm and setup xsession to run the frontend
[07:03:00] dev-: it crashes, it reloads automatically
[07:03:00] dev-: heh
[07:03:00] flexgrip: Hi all. Im trying to use ubuntu with myth and running into problems
[07:03:00] dev-: but thats odd why its crashing in the first place
[07:03:00] flexgrip: should i use knoppmyth?
[07:03:00] [Xander]: frontend as in mythfrontend... the X is stable
[07:03:00] dev-: ive found myth to be extremely stable
[07:03:00] dev-: yes xander, i know heh
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[07:04:00] dev-: you know what .xinitrc and .xsession does i hope
[07:04:00] dev-: afk for a few mins.
[07:04:00] [Xander]: when shows finish and drop back to the myth screen about 1–5% of the time it will crash out to the desktop.
[07:05:00] GreyFoxx: [Xander]: What version? Sounds like something I ran into a long long time ago, but haven't seen in months
[07:05:00] [Xander]: lemme get the vers. just a second
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[07:06:00] flexgrip: Im trying to use ubuntu to run mythtv and running into problems. should i use knoppmyth?
[07:06:00] [Xander]: .18.1-r2
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[07:07:00] GreyFoxx: [Xander]: I can't remember if it was something I saw in 0.18.1 or if it was in SVN just after the 0.18.1 release. But I haven't seen it in months now
[07:08:00] GreyFoxx: Of course at the same time I updated video drivers and disabled Composite in my X configure
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[07:08:00] [Xander]: GreyFoxx: what ver are you using?
[07:08:00] GreyFoxx: SVN as of 2 days ago
[07:08:00] [Xander]: ahh
[07:08:00] GreyFoxx: I update every couple days
[07:08:00] [Xander]: does closed captions work in SVN?
[07:08:00] GreyFoxx: No idea :)
[07:09:00] flexgrip: knoppmyth
[07:09:00] ** [Xander] has bad hearing **
[07:10:00] [Xander]: I really wish that the [CC] would work. I can't even use the TV's CC decoder to read, as the mythbox strips the CC from the program when it records. :(
[07:11:00] GreyFoxx: Using an framegrabber card I assume ?
[07:11:00] eidolon: anyone got ideas on getting my cable feed to actually show me cable... not broadcast tv?
[07:11:00] [Xander]: pvr350
[07:11:00] eidolon: i'm getting like 3–4 'basic' channels – but not my actual cable channels.
[07:11:00] GreyFoxx: [Xander]: Myth isn't stripping anything in that case
[07:11:00] eidolon: maybe altering my frequency table?
[07:12:00] GreyFoxx: the "raw" mpeg stream is read from the driver and saved. IT's not altered in anyway
[07:12:00] [Xander]: odd... if I record a show from the pvr, then playback with the tv's closed captions turned on, i get nada
[07:12:00] [Xander]: i think it's a problem with ivtv.
[07:12:00] GreyFoxx: It is
[07:12:00] GreyFoxx: I have no idea how far along they are with it, but it definately was an ivtv issue
[07:13:00] [Xander]: i read every month or so about ivtv trying to get the cc working for us, but it's taking forever. (wish i wasn't useless at coding to help!)
[07:13:00] GreyFoxx: It doesn't seem to be a big "in demand" feature, but every once in awhile I see it mentioned on the ivtv list
[07:14:00] [Xander]: i KNOW the card will do captions in windows, just wish the hardware folks would open source the code for us.
[07:14:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[07:14:00] [Xander]: apparently most people have better hearing than i do :(
[07:15:00] [Xander]: i tried using kennedy's latest drivers (a while ago) to get CC, but no luck.
[07:16:00] [Xander]: Oh! I jsut checked and there's an updated ivtv I'm not up to! (off to compile!)
[07:17:00] eidolon: HAH!
[07:17:00] eidolon: it was the frequency thing!
[07:18:00] [Xander]: i'm on ivtv 0.3.8 and there's a 0.4.0-r2 out! (I need to read the changelog)
[07:19:00] flexgrip: can someone help me setup myth?
[07:20:00] flexgrip: i have front and back installed
[07:20:00] flexgrip: its just like the dvd doesnt work
[07:20:00] flexgrip: and import doesnt work
[07:26:00] ** logme struggles to get dvd playback working in xine **
[07:27:00] kahuna_: Hi. I have a single line of white noise at the top of the screen. Is there any way to crop that out? I'm using a DVB card
[07:27:00] logme: overscan setting?
[07:27:00] kahuna_: I'm using ATI. :( no overscan.
[07:28:00] kahuna_: maybe I can adjust it a bit.
[07:28:00] logme: I don't think it's dependent on your video card
[07:28:00] kahuna_: Overscan is in myth?
[07:28:00] logme: yeah
[07:29:00] kahuna_: which part of the setup?
[07:30:00] logme: *shrug*
[07:30:00] logme: playback?
[07:32:00] kahuna_: Looked there... I'll check into it more though and thanks for the pointer
[07:33:00] logme: np
[07:34:00] logme: No htpc case has everything I want
[07:34:00] kahuna_: I have the pundit-r
[07:35:00] kahuna_: it sucks to get up and running but once it's all set it's nice
[07:35:00] kahuna_: no nvidia though. ATI crap.
[07:35:00] flexgrip: can someone help me setup myth?
[07:35:00] flexgrip: i have front and back installed
[07:35:00] flexgrip: its just like the dvd doesnt work
[07:35:00] flexgrip: and import doesnt work
[07:35:00] logme: I'm after something like a silverstone or ahanix (really stereo component-looking)
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[07:38:00] dev-: you should just do the multi room setup right off the bat
[07:38:00] logme: I can do w/o knobs but I don't want a door over the front ports
[07:38:00] dev-: dedicated-bigass-backened (tm) and a bunch of mini-itx frontends
[07:39:00] dev-: then you can just stuff the min-itx in the back with the wires and only have the remote sensor showing
[07:39:00] logme: Where do I put the dvd? :)
[07:39:00] dev-: you gonna spend all the money for composite out and optical out for 5.1?
[07:40:00] dev-: i use a real dvd player for that
[07:40:00] dev-: heh
[07:40:00] logme: I don't have an upconverting dvd player, so everything will fall on the htpc
[07:40:00] kahuna_: upconverting?
[07:40:00] logme: I already have hdmi on my projector and 5.1
[07:40:00] kahuna_: Oh, HD
[07:41:00] dev-: then you should already a decent dvd player and wont be worrying about playing dvds off a pc
[07:41:00] dev-: hehe
[07:41:00] dev-: +have
[07:41:00] dev-: mini-itx fanless is the way to go
[07:41:00] logme: An htpc enthusiast suggesting that I don't use one?
[07:41:00] kahuna_: fanless? Cooled by what then?
[07:41:00] dev-: oh hd woops
[07:41:00] dev-: those are a pain :( 2.4ghz
[07:41:00] dev-: minimum
[07:42:00] dev-: big heatsync
[07:42:00] dev-: use a p3 1ghz
[07:42:00] dev-: fine for a frontend
[07:42:00] dev-: doesnt need a fan.
[07:42:00] kahuna_: my fan is quiet but not enough...
[07:42:00] dev-: use it as a carpc too
[07:42:00] dev-: my tuners are in the compter room
[07:42:00] dev-: in a big-ass-backend heh
[07:42:00] kahuna_: carpc? Wow, that's dangerous :)
[07:42:00] flexgrip: IS knoppmyth easy to setup?
[07:43:00] kahuna_: myth is never easy to set up. There's a learning curve.
[07:43:00] dev-: when i played with it, it was easy
[07:43:00] kahuna_: knoppmyth is great if it supports your hardware though
[07:44:00] dev-: my first box took a week.. but it was mostly getting hardware working
[07:44:00] dev-: and i had a bad onboard videocard heh
[07:44:00] dev-: annoying :)
[07:44:00] kahuna_: the biggest issue for me was getting all the hardware working
[07:44:00] dev-: oh and programming the remote
[07:44:00] dev-: that took like a month
[07:44:00] dev-: because mines girlfriend-approved heh
[07:44:00] kahuna_: lots of non stardard stuff in my weird case
[07:44:00] kahuna_: lots of compiling of CVS tree software...
[07:45:00] logme: These htpc cases come with usb displays and ir built-in, at least
[07:45:00] dev-: i dread the day i do hdtv myth :(
[07:45:00] flexgrip: it didnt say but you think knoppmyth will support my ati tv wonder pro?
[07:45:00] flexgrip: and geforce 4?
[07:45:00] dev-: need like 1tb minimum
[07:46:00] logme: I wish I could justify this: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc16m.htm
[07:47:00] logme: My wife just asked me to "turn down the monitor because she doesn't want to get up now."
[07:48:00] logme: At least she's not having conversations in her sleep.
[07:48:00] Dagmar: flexgrip: YOu're not talking about an All-in-Wonder card are you?
[07:49:00] flexgrip: no
[07:49:00] flexgrip: tv wonder (stand alone) with remote
[07:50:00] Dagmar: That is supposed to be handled by the bt8x8 driver
[07:50:00] kahuna_: overscan worked. Thanks
[07:50:00] Dagmar: flexgrip: So either it's going to work with V4L or you're out of luck.
[07:51:00] flexgrip: no it works
[07:51:00] flexgrip: it works great
[07:51:00] flexgrip: i have myth running on ubuntu right now
[07:51:00] flexgrip: and its awesome
[07:51:00] kahuna_: Good deal
[07:51:00] flexgrip: its just my remote doesnt work nor does dvd
[07:51:00] flexgrip: or import dvd
[07:52:00] Dagmar: What is supported by TV Wonder is *entirely* up to how much of it works with V4l.
[07:52:00] kahuna_: what kind of remote?
[07:52:00] Dagmar: ...which has nothing to do with your DVD drive
[07:52:00] flexgrip: ubuntu wont auto mount and umount the dvd when you hit the eject button or play a dvd when its mounted
[07:52:00] kahuna_: there's gatos. I don't know how well that works with myth though
[07:52:00] Dagmar: It doesn't.
[07:53:00] Dagmar: It says so right in the Myth docs, as well as why it doesn't.
[07:54:00] flexgrip: are you talking to me dagmar?
[07:54:00] logme: argh, I passed the threshold at which I can keep compiling unstable debs on stable
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[07:54:00] Dagmar: I was responding to kahuna.
[07:54:00] Dagmar: Gatos will not work with MythTV
[07:55:00] flexgrip: do you know how to make my dvd drive mount and automount.. or what daemon to install to monitor the tray or eject button?
[07:55:00] kahuna_: So there you have it then.
[07:57:00] logme: I just enabled the "Monitor DVD" setting, along with mythtdvd, and it doesn't seem to detect insertion.
[07:58:00] flexgrip: me too
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[07:59:00] flexgrip: any suggestions?
[08:00:00] flexgrip: anyone wanna ssh my mythbox and play/fix it? :-)
[08:04:00] eidolon: hmm. hm... to install decss... is there a quicky way of doing it? i'm on knoppmyth
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[08:09:00] flexgrip: is knoppmyth any good eidolon?
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[08:11:00] Dagmar: Diffie: You have a what for a CPU?
[08:11:00] eidolon: well, from 'bootable machine' to 'watching live video' (including using hte ring buffer)... about 3 hours of work. that's less than any setup time i've ever heard anyone using to get mythtv running :)
[08:11:00] Dagmar: wrong channel
[08:12:00] Dagmar: You should probably be using a 2.6 kernel for the media detection to work, but I'm not 100% about that
[08:12:00] eidolon: though my channel listings aren't matching.
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[08:22:00] JoshTriplett: eidolon: Just go get the latest libdvdcss debian package from videloan.org and install it.
[08:22:00] JoshTriplett: flexgrip: What problem are you having?
[08:22:00] JoshTriplett: eidolon: Er, videolan.org . :)
[08:22:00] eidolon: JoshTriplett: thanks, will do. now i'm going to bed :)
[08:27:00] flexgrip: can someone help me automount my dvd drive?
[08:31:00] Dagmar: You're using a 2.6.x kernel?
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[08:32:00] flexgrip: yeah
[08:32:00] flexgrip: 2.6.12 and gnome
[08:32:00] flexgrip: i have to unmount it so it will eject
[08:32:00] Dagmar: Then it should be working, provided you've allowed hald and dbus to work
[08:32:00] flexgrip: dont know what that is or how to work it
[08:32:00] Dagmar: ...and provided that you have NOT added an entry in /etc/fstab for it yourself.
[08:33:00] Dagmar: If you add an entry in /etc/fstab for your drive, it will break automounting
[08:33:00] flexgrip: i havent touched fstab
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[08:33:00] Dagmar: Then ask whoever put your distribution together.
[08:33:00] flexgrip: you wanna ssh to my box and check it out for me?
[08:33:00] flexgrip: ubuntu
[08:34:00] flexgrip: thats the distro
[08:34:00] flexgrip: cant find anything on it
[08:34:00] Dagmar: Ask in #Ubuntu
[08:34:00] flexgrip: i have vnc and ssh and everything set up for remote admin
[08:34:00] flexgrip: and i cant figure it out
[08:34:00] Dagmar: They need to learn to do more quality control work
[08:34:00] flexgrip: yeah no one in there cared to answer me
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[08:35:00] flexgrip: you think ubuntu is cool to run myth
[08:35:00] flexgrip: it works and records and such
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[08:35:00] flexgrip: just no dvd
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[08:35:00] flexgrip: no import dvd
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[08:35:00] aMMgYrP: I got more of a social engineering question for yah, what if your cable provider is unwilling to give out the "channel frequency table" information?
[08:36:00] Dagmar: Then you stop confusing their Tier I support people with complex technical questions and go look it up on the web/
[08:36:00] Dagmar: Seeing as how you're in the US, it's going to be one of three things to set MythTV to.
[08:36:00] Dagmar: us-cable, us-cable-hrc, or broadcast.
[08:37:00] Dagmar: There's almost no difference between the first two
[08:37:00] flexgrip: hey dagmar
[08:37:00] flexgrip: i have a serial cable to hook up to my cable box
[08:37:00] flexgrip: where can i find how to configure that
[08:37:00] flexgrip: and where is the tvguide in myth i cant find it
[08:38:00] aMMgYrP: ok thanks
[08:38:00] aMMgYrP: I'll try again, as soon as i figure out how to get back into the config mentu...
[08:38:00] flexgrip: mythtv-setup
[08:38:00] Dagmar: I'm going to ignore the question about the serial cable.
[08:38:00] aMMgYrP: oh there you go... (teeters off)
[08:38:00] flexgrip: why ignore that?
[08:38:00] Dagmar: As to where the channel guide is, hit 's' while watching TV
[08:39:00] Dagmar: Because frankly, it seems to be a dumb question.
[08:39:00] flexgrip: how to configure myth to change the channel using serial cable
[08:39:00] flexgrip: betteR?
[08:39:00] Dagmar: It's unlikely that the serial port on your cable box was to be used for anything by the end-user.
[08:39:00] Dagmar: What makes you think that serial port is for changing channels?
[08:40:00] flexgrip: ohh ok... i guess other people with motorola cable boxes have a 'magic' wireless link to change the channel on their cable box
[08:40:00] Dagmar: People with _digital_ cable boxes that use the Motorola chipset use their firewire port for that.
[08:40:00] flexgrip: and beyond tv changes the channel on my cable box with the serial cable in windows
[08:40:00] Dagmar: Not a serial port.
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[08:41:00] flexgrip: well mine works through serial... i already got it to work in windows
[08:41:00] flexgrip: so thanks for being open minded and tryin to help
[08:42:00] Dagmar: Well thanks for being ingratious because someone doesn't know everything.
[08:42:00] flexgrip: i wonder why they have a link to buy a serial cable for motorola digital boxes in the myth docs
[08:42:00] flexgrip: well you said it was a dumb question
[08:42:00] flexgrip: and immediately tried to make me feel dumb for thinking the serial port on my box was for end users
[08:42:00] Dagmar: Hang around in here a day or three and you'll see more dumb questions.
[08:43:00] flexgrip: thats the problem with everyone on irc and message boards.. everyong always tries to flame everyone
[08:43:00] Dagmar: You made yourself feel dumb. I just said it was unlikely that it was for channel changes.
[08:43:00] flexgrip: we are all cool guys trying to do the same thing
[08:43:00] Dagmar: All I've seen in the myth docs so far pertaining to channel changes on external devices has been through an IR transciever and not a serial connection.
[08:43:00] Dagmar: So LET IT GO ALREADY
[08:43:00] dev-: there are alot of "cool guys" who dont even bother to read the docs and just come in here and ask the stupidest shit sometimes
[08:44:00] dev-: not saying you are/did, dont get all uppety at me :P
[08:44:00] dev-: im passing out, shuldnt be talking :P
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[08:47:00] flexgrip: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5
[08:47:00] flexgrip: well thats where i found it... not being negative
[08:47:00] flexgrip: just incase you wanted to check it out
[08:48:00] flexgrip: cause i dont know how to make linux send out the serial or any commands
[08:48:00] Dagmar: Actually I found it a moment ago by Googling
[08:48:00] flexgrip: i am HORRIBLE at linux
[08:48:00] flexgrip: i cant figure ANY of this stuff out
[08:48:00] flexgrip: this dvd drive is kickin my ass dagmar :-)
[08:48:00] Dagmar: it takes time and reading a lot of man pages
[08:49:00] flexgrip: yea my eyes are hurting
[08:49:00] flexgrip: haha
[08:49:00] Dagmar: Do a tail -f on your syslog and look and see if it says anything when you stick a DVD in the dirve
[08:49:00] Dagmar: HALd should notice it
[08:50:00] JoshTriplett: flexgrip: Well, here's a thought: if you know that Beyond TV can change the channels on your cable box through the serial port, then 1) you should research what Beyond TV is doing over the serial port, 2) it is likely that LIRC or some external program could do the same thing, given that knowledge.
[08:50:00] Dagmar: http://www.erikburrows.com/index.php?node=MythTV <-- says the software to do it with at least one Motorola box comes *with* the MythTV source
[08:51:00] Dagmar: It still seems much easier with the Firewire interface for digital cable, although the amount of data that comes across the wire is ludicrous
[08:55:00] JoshTriplett: I currently have a MythTV box with three tuners: a PVR-350 and a PVR-500. I'm using the latest MythTV, ivtv, and ivtvdev. Every couple of days (not consistently), the box appears to "hang". The frontend and backend stop working, but the machine still responds to ping, and "ssh -v" to the machine shows that it does establish a connection and get the SSH server version, but can't connect. What kinds of things could cause a box to hang
[08:58:00] JoshTriplett: In case that got cut off: ... What kinds of things could cause a box to hang in that manner? Any suggestions for diagnosing the problem?
[08:59:00] Dagmar: /var/log being full if you have a syslogd that blocks on stuck disk writes
[08:59:00] Dagmar: Leave a terminal logged in and hope that it works when the thing won't take more connections
[09:01:00] JoshTriplett: /dev/sda1 15G 4.5G 9.5G 33% /
[09:01:00] JoshTriplett: That's my root filesystem, which has everything but /mythtv on it, including /var/log.
[09:02:00] aMMgYrP: tried all three, no dice... maybe my 500 card is teh dead....
[09:02:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Do you mean an ssh connection?
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[09:03:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Or an actual console connection?
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[09:20:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: I meant whichever one you think will still be working when the machine stops accepting new connections
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[09:26:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Hmmm. Well, keeping an ssh connection open is easy enough, though I don't know if it'll keep working. I have a serial console set up that I can hook my laptop to, but I can't leave the laptop hooked up to it for days, and I've tried connecting to it after a hang with no success.
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[09:35:00] aMMgYrP: ok, still no dice, still getting a black screen and fail when trying to watch live TV...
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[09:46:00] aMMgYrP: anyone here?
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[09:51:00] PrYgMMa: anyone here?
[09:51:00] laga: nope
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[09:52:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: What problem are you having?
[09:52:00] PrYgMMa: oh too bad,
[09:53:00] PrYgMMa: my hauppauge card won't recieve channels
[09:53:00] Dagmar: Which model
[09:53:00] PrYgMMa: when i try to watch live TV all i get is a black screen then it fails and talks bad about my mother
[09:53:00] PrYgMMa: 500
[09:53:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Which driver version?
[09:53:00] laga: does it work in mplayer?
[09:54:00] PrYgMMa: hmmm, thats a good question... I jsut did an install with knoppmyth so all of those settings were well hidden from me
[09:54:00] Dagmar: Ahh... tried knoppmyth then?
[09:54:00] Dagmar: er #knoppmyth
[09:55:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: run "dmesg | less", and look for START INIT IVTV
[09:55:00] Dagmar: Although I can at least say that if you used 5a22 you should have ivtv 0.4.0
[09:55:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: The line right after that should tell you the driver version.
[09:55:00] Dagmar: If you used a version of KnoppMyth older than 5A22 then you need to start downloading again
[09:55:00] PrYgMMa: nope used 5a22
[09:56:00] Dagmar: What model/manuf video card?
[09:56:00] PrYgMMa: no dice, It does nto say anything about that.
[09:56:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Try running "dd if=/dev/video0 of=temp.mp2", and see if that gives you a video file.
[09:57:00] Dagmar: It should be saying SOMETHING about ivtv or that's your problem right there
[09:57:00] PrYgMMa: well it said something about ivtv during boot up but not since then
[09:57:00] Dagmar: Look in /var/log/messages
[09:59:00] PrYgMMa: found it
[09:59:00] PrYgMMa: version 0.4.0
[10:00:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, great.
[10:00:00] PrYgMMa: (its been a while since I used linux, yah)
[10:00:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Does the dd command give you a video file?
[10:01:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: If it does but the file is empty, you probably have a tuning problem. If it doesn't give you a file at all, you have some other kind of problem. :)
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[10:02:00] PrYgMMa: dd coomand at prompt?
[10:02:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Yes.
[10:02:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: You'll need to hit Ctrl-C at some point a little while after you run it.
[10:02:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: (Or append "bs=1M count=1" to the line.)
[10:03:00] PrYgMMa: shoudl i have seen the video play in hte shell or what?
[10:03:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: No, it'll just create a large video file.
[10:03:00] Dagmar: Use the `file` command on it to tell if it's really a video file
[10:03:00] JoshTriplett: Exactl.
[10:03:00] JoshTriplett: y
[10:04:00] PrYgMMa: well it says 0+0 records in and out and 0 bytes xfered in 20 seconds
[10:05:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Ouch.
[10:05:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: "some other kind of problem" it is then.
[10:05:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Afte 20 seconds, you should definitely be getting some content.
[10:05:00] PrYgMMa: I've got both ports plugged into the splitter
[10:07:00] ** laga wonders if knoppmyth is shipped with the firmware **
[10:07:00] JoshTriplett: laga: Good point.
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[10:08:00] PrYgMMa: should i switch distos?
[10:08:00] PrYgMMa: maybe a true debian?
[10:08:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Perhaps, but not quite yet.
[10:08:00] PrYgMMa: and i stilll need to get my DRI drivers
[10:08:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Let's check if the firmware is present.
[10:08:00] ** JoshTriplett things **
[10:08:00] ** JoshTriplett thinks **
[10:09:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Can you try "dmesg | grep ivtv-fw-enc'
[10:09:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Also try "dmesg | grep firmware'
[10:09:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Do either of those give any output?
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[10:10:00] PrYgMMa: yeah both did
[10:11:00] Dagmar: They should be in /lib/modules, and it downloaded the firmware for me when I tried it a few days gao
[10:11:00] PrYgMMa: yuppers
[10:11:00] PrYgMMa: maybe the card is teh damaged, it did g o through hell getting here
[10:11:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Can you post the output of dmesg to http://pastebin.ca ?
[10:13:00] PrYgMMa: this is going to sound terribly noobish, but how do i yank(copy) in xtem?
[10:13:00] Dagmar: Just highlight the stuff
[10:13:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Just select text with the mouse, then middle-click wherever you want to paste it.
[10:14:00] PrYgMMa: done
[10:15:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, cool; looks like the firmware is getting loaded correctly. I was actually hoping you would paste the complete dmesg output though.
[10:15:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: It might be easier to "dmesg > dmesg.log" and use the "upload file" method on the pastebin.
[10:18:00] PrYgMMa: done
[10:18:00] PrYgMMa: (now for some british MRE chocolate
[10:19:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: URL to the paste?
[10:20:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: It doesn't seem to be showing up yet.
[10:20:00] PrYgMMa: http://pastebin.ca/26984
[10:21:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Ah, cool.
[10:21:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: 1) You might try turning off ACPI, with "acpi=off" on the kernel command line.
[10:23:00] PrYgMMa: where do i find the kernal command line, is that different fomr the normal command line?
[10:24:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: You should see it when you boot up your machine.
[10:24:00] PrYgMMa: could the problem be the "tranparent bridge" that connects my card to the Mobo?
[10:25:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: If you mean the PVR-500's built-in bridge, probably not.
[10:25:00] PrYgMMa: no, all i get is a "pretty" mythTV splash screen and a progress bar, (pressind esc at which convertes it to verborse mode)
[10:26:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Try holding down the shift key or similar.
[10:26:00] PrYgMMa: no I mean the boxen i am using has a bridge that turns the cards 90 degrees so that they fir into the boxen
[10:26:00] PrYgMMa: ok
[10:26:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Ah, I see.
[10:26:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Shuttle box or similar?
[10:27:00] PrYgMMa: Thin tower dell
[10:28:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Well, I don't see anything that stands out as problematic in that dmesg output.
[10:28:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: I would suggest disabling acpi and trying again, though.
[10:28:00] Dagmar: This is the second time I've seen someone saying they can't get a PVR card to work on the far side of one of those
[10:28:00] PrYgMMa: so everything is detected and seemingly woring ah?
[10:29:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: AFAICT, yes.
[10:29:00] Dagmar: I get the feeling these manufacturers are just using a PCI splitter instead of actually making the bus extend off the board with a true daughter card
[10:29:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Can you run "lspci -vt" and paste that output please?
[10:30:00] PrYgMMa: wewll the port which it shunts off of is significantly larger than a normal PCI slot
[10:30:00] Dagmar: Okay, so you probably have a real PCI bus there then
[10:30:00] Dagmar: Question: Are THESE the modules you have loading?
[10:30:00] Dagmar: i2c_core 17424 6 tda9887,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,tveeprom,i2c_algo_bit
[10:31:00] Dagmar: firmware_class 8064 1 cx25840
[10:31:00] Dagmar: That's the important bits from what I've got loading over here with ivtv
[10:31:00] PrYgMMa: http://pastebin.ca/26985
[10:31:00] Dagmar: ...and mind you the first time I tried to get this pvr-500 to work, I got no tuner because another kernel driver was screwing it up
[10:32:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Interesting...
[10:32:00] Dagmar: Weird
[10:32:00] brikus: I'm having a problem with live tv. Whenever I select watch live tv, the screen goes blank and hangs for 30 secs or so, then pops back into the frontend. Shortly after that, the backend crashes. The errors I get tell me that Myth is having trouble opening the ring buffer, but I've check the permission on that directory (it's even 777 now, umask is 0). Any other ideas?
[10:32:00] Dagmar: You said a PVR 500 card, right?
[10:32:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Where is the 3com card plugged in?
[10:33:00] PrYgMMa: I have no idea
[10:33:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: The Ethernet card.
[10:33:00] PrYgMMa: its onboard
[10:33:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Part of that looks normal; the PVR-500 looks like two 150s behind a bridge.
[10:33:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Ah.
[10:33:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Well, then that looks relatively normal.
[10:34:00] PrYgMMa: its parched directly into the wired/wireless router
[10:34:00] PrYgMMa: so I *should* be getting an image.
[10:34:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: I'm aware of this, man. I have one.
[10:35:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: OK. :) So what looks weird in that output to you?
[10:35:00] Dagmar: Well, the tree diagram for one thing
[10:36:00] Dagmar: Everything looks correct, but I have no idea why the network interface would appear to be hanging off the same bus as the pvr-500
[10:37:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: My output looks similar.
[10:37:00] PrYgMMa: brb gonna re-check my settings
[10:38:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: All the devices on the PCI bus, plus the built-in Ethernet (which is just a PCI card built-in), appear one level down in the tree.
[10:38:00] Dagmar: This is the output of lspci -t -v, right?
[10:38:00] Dagmar: Mine doesn't hang like that.
[10:38:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Could you paste your output?
[10:39:00] Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/26987
[10:39:00] Dagmar: Note that mine does not pretend to have anything but the PVR-500 on it's bridge
[10:39:00] Dagmar: That Rhine-II chipset at the bottom is my onboard ethernet
[10:39:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Do you have any other PCI cards plugged in?
[10:40:00] Dagmar: emu10k1, you can see it in the list.
[10:40:00] Dagmar: Mine works fine.
[10:40:00] Dagmar: I think his is borked in part because of the way that 3com chipset is figuring in
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[10:40:00] PrYgMMa: I should be using tuner 0 on both cards yah?
[10:40:00] Dagmar: Yes.
[10:40:00] Dagmar: You use Tuner 0 on /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/v4l/video1
[10:40:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Mine looks like http://pastebin.ca/26988
[10:40:00] PrYgMMa: mine does nto say that
[10:41:00] PrYgMMa: its dev\video1 and dev\video0
[10:41:00] PrYgMMa: no v4l in the name I don't think
[10:41:00] PrYgMMa: cd ..
[10:41:00] PrYgMMa: eep
[10:42:00] Dagmar: Ack okay I was misreading the lspci output earlier. No biggie
[10:42:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Hmmm. What happens if you use "tuner 1" on a card?
[10:42:00] Dagmar: PrYgMMa: You only see v4l if you're using a 2.6.x kernel
[10:42:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: I've never bothered to find out. Probably nothing
[10:42:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I use 2.6.12 and have /dev/video*
[10:42:00] Dagmar: Your udev rules might be different.
[10:42:00] PrYgMMa: I am
[10:43:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Could be; knoppmyth doesn't use devfs does it?
[10:43:00] Dagmar: I didn't even make any of the video* files this time, udev did them all
[10:43:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Same here.
[10:43:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: It didnt' appear to be using it
[10:43:00] Dagmar: It seems a little silly for them not to use it tho
[10:43:00] Dagmar: ...but some people are stubborn like that
[10:43:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Seems silly for them *to* use it, given that it is deprecated and going to be removed entirely.
[10:43:00] Dagmar: udev?
[10:44:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: No, devfs.
[10:44:00] Dagmar: I'm not using devfs here. I'm just letting hotplugd and udev deal with it
[10:44:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: I asked if knoppmyth used devfs; you said it didn't appear to, and I thought you were saying it seemed silly for them not to.
[10:44:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Nevermind.
[10:44:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Anyway, I'm using hotplug and udev as well.
[10:45:00] Dagmar: No, I was referring to whether or not they might be usign udev
[10:45:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Ah, OK.
[10:45:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Yeah, they should be using it.
[10:45:00] Dagmar: udev should have made those video devices under /dev/v4l
[10:45:00] PrYgMMa: attempting to view video again...
[10:45:00] PrYgMMa: mythtv
[10:46:00] PrYgMMa: negative
[10:46:00] Dagmar: What uid are you running things as?
[10:46:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: What did you change just then?
[10:47:00] Dagmar: If push comes to shove you *might* try killing off the backend and running it as root, and then run the frontend as root as well.
[10:47:00] PrYgMMa: just the tuner0->tuner1
[10:47:00] Dagmar: If it worked that way then you'd know it was time to check file permissions
[10:47:00] PrYgMMa: rooting everything until i can figure it out
[10:48:00] PrYgMMa: but i cannot find those directories under \dev
[10:48:00] PrYgMMa: the video ones
[10:48:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: If he can't get video via dd, then mythtv isn't going to work as any user.
[10:48:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Sounds like an ivtv issue at this point.
[10:48:00] Dagmar: JoshTriplett: That's true, maybe. I dunno what the card does when you try to pull data from it but haven't actually touched the tuner yet
[10:48:00] JoshTriplett: Dagmar: Good point.
[10:49:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: See if you have a program "ptune" or "ptune.pl" or "ivtv-ptune" installed.
[10:49:00] PrYgMMa: where would it be?
[10:50:00] JoshTriplett: Just try running it in a terminal.
[10:50:00] PrYgMMa: no go
[10:50:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Hmmm.
[10:50:00] Filip^: /usr/bin/ptune
[10:51:00] Filip^: * /usr/bin/ptune.pl
[10:51:00] Filip^: sorry
[10:51:00] JoshTriplett: Filip^: Depends on the system; mine is /usr/bin/ptune. :)
[10:51:00] Filip^: quite right. This is on gentoo
[10:52:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Alright. What country are you in.
[10:52:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: And what is a channel you know you receive?
[10:52:00] PrYgMMa: nothing in hte directory \usr\bin\ resembling ptune or ptune.pl
[10:53:00] PrYgMMa: I am in America and I recieve channels 2–73 (cable)
[10:53:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Alright. One moment.
[10:54:00] Filip^: (is this knopmyth?)
[10:55:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: First, try "ivtvctl --get-standard"
[10:55:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Then, try "ivtvctl --get-frequency"
[10:55:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: (I'd like to know what it is set to before we change it.)
[10:55:00] PrYgMMa: ioctl VIDIOC_G_STD ok
[10:56:00] PrYgMMa: Video standard = 0x00003000
[10:56:00] JoshTriplett: OK, that's NTSC.
[10:57:00] PrYgMMa: tells me g--get-frequency is not a valid option
[10:57:00] PrYgMMa: ivtvctl: unrecognized option `--get-frequency'
[10:57:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Sorry, just --get-freq .
[10:58:00] PrYgMMa: ioctl VIDIOC_G_FREQUENCY ok
[10:58:00] PrYgMMa: Frequency = 980
[10:59:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, now try "ivtvctl --set-freq=67250", which should set the first tuner to cable channel 4.
[11:00:00] PrYgMMa: it says ok
[11:00:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Now try the dd command again.
[11:01:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: "dd if=/dev/video0 of=temp.mp2 bs=1M count=10".
[11:01:00] PrYgMMa: dd: reading `/dev/video0': Device or resource busy
[11:01:00] PrYgMMa: 0+0 records in
[11:01:00] PrYgMMa: 0+0 records out
[11:01:00] PrYgMMa: 0 bytes transferred in 0.000264 seconds (0 bytes/sec)
[11:01:00] PrYgMMa: strange...
[11:01:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Shut down mythtv first. :)
[11:02:00] PrYgMMa: ahem, it is shut down
[11:02:00] JoshTriplett: Uh, strange. :)
[11:02:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: "lsof | grep /dev/vid"?
[11:02:00] PrYgMMa: I think so too.
[11:03:00] PrYgMMa: mythbacke 4041 mythtv 19u CHR 81,0 215235 /dev/video0
[11:03:00] PrYgMMa: mythbacke 4041 mythtv 20u CHR 81,0 215235 /dev/video0
[11:03:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Is the backend running? :)
[11:04:00] PrYgMMa: how do i kill the back end?
[11:04:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Depends on how it was started. First try "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop".
[11:05:00] PrYgMMa: the black and white text screen says that the myth back end is stopping
[11:06:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, good. Check the lsof command again.
[11:06:00] PrYgMMa: kicked me back to prompt with no output
[11:06:00] JoshTriplett: Perfect.
[11:06:00] JoshTriplett: Try the dd command again.
[11:07:00] PrYgMMa: still nothing on the dd front though.
[11:07:00] PrYgMMa: same output
[11:08:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Minus the "Device or resource busy", though, right?
[11:08:00] PrYgMMa: yah yah
[11:09:00] PrYgMMa: is this making anymroe sense to anyone, cuz if it isnt, I might be having to turn in for the night
[11:09:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, could you try "ivtvctl --set-freq=672" please?
[11:09:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: And then the same dd command?
[11:10:00] PrYgMMa: 0 bytes tranfered
[11:11:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK, last suggestion: you need to figure out a way to get "acpi=off" on the kernel command line to turn off ACPI.
[11:11:00] Filip^: i thonk an untuned tuner gives back static
[11:12:00] PrYgMMa: what I will do is test it in another boxen in teh morgen
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[11:12:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: That could help as well, but I really do think that turning off ACPI is likely to help.
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[11:12:00] PrYgMMa: maybe its the PCI bridge, if not its the card, and I'll send the card back and get a replacement
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[11:13:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Regardless, good luck getting it working.
[11:13:00] PrYgMMa: ehere would i turn that off, or whoud that be something i should find myself
[11:13:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Passing "acpi=off" to the kernel turns off ACPI. The method of passing it depends on the bootloader setup knoppmyth installed.
[11:13:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Do you have a file "/boot/grub/menu.lst"?
[11:14:00] PrYgMMa: I'm sure it uses lilo
[11:14:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: OK. Then go edit the lilo configuration file and add acpi=off to the kernel options there.
[11:14:00] JoshTriplett: (And re-run lilo.)
[11:15:00] PrYgMMa: like reboot?
[11:15:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Edit the file, run the command "lilo", then reboot.
[11:15:00] brikus: I'm having a problem with live tv. Whenever I select watch live tv, the screen goes blank and hangs for 30 secs or so, then pops back into the frontend. Shortly after that, the backend crashes. The errors I get tell me that Myth is having trouble opening the ring buffer, but I've check the permission on that directory (it's even 777 now, umask is 0). Any other ideas?
[11:16:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: What card are you using for input, and what method are you using for TV-output?
[11:16:00] JoshTriplett: PrYgMMa: Also, if you do figure out what the problem is, I'd be interested to know, since I'm having some different problems with my pvr-500.
[11:16:00] brikus: Tuner on the PVR-350 for input, Component out on 350 for output
[11:16:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Alright. Does passthrough work?
[11:17:00] brikus: Passthrough as in dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16?
[11:17:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Well, knowing if that works would be helpful as well, but I'd also like to know if "ivtvctl -K" works.
[11:17:00] JoshTriplett: Er, -K 1
[11:18:00] brikus: dd... does work
[11:18:00] JoshTriplett: OK then.
[11:18:00] brikus: Lemme try ivtvctl
[11:18:00] brikus: This error comes up A LOT of time in my mythbackend.log: "VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument"
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[11:20:00] brikus: ivtvctl -K 1 returns: ioctl IVTV_IOC_PASSTHROUGH ok
[11:20:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: And do you get output?
[11:22:00] aMMgYrP: good night all
[11:22:00] aMMgYrP: thanks for all the help
[11:22:00] ** JoshTriplett doesn't know if passthrough works or not if you are using non-cable input to the TV, so that may not be important. **
[11:23:00] brikus: I don't seem to be getting output from ivtvctl
[11:23:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Regardless, do you have mythtv set to use the PVR-350 tv-out to display?
[11:23:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: OK, turn passthrough back off. -K 0
[11:23:00] brikus: JoshTriplett: I'm not sure what you mean by that
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[11:25:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Mythtv has an option in the setup screens, under "Playback", to use the PVR-350's TV-out for video decoding.
[11:25:00] JoshTriplett: brikus: Is it on or off?
[11:25:00] brikus: Probably off, lemme have a look
[11:25:00] JoshTriplett: Also, what ivtv and ivtvdev versions are you using?
[11:27:00] brikus: It was off, I turned it on, then tried Live TV, same result
[11:27:00] JoshTriplett: Hmmm.
[11:28:00] brikus: I'm using ivtv 0.4.0
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[11:29:00] Filip^: what would happen if you made the live-tv buffer really small, or really large? would that impact the time before a crash?
[11:30:00] brikus: No, it doesn't seem to. And mythbackend doesn't always crash, but instead keeps on trying to open the ring buffer until I kill the process
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[11:32:00] Filip^: so no disk space problems?
[11:32:00] brikus: I've watched from a seperate console and if I touch a ringbuf1.nuv, the first thing it does is delete that file (which makes sense because it would probably be an old buffer), but it never created another ringbuf1.nuv file
[11:33:00] brikus: No, I've tried it on different disks and I think I've checked all the permissions
[11:33:00] brikus: It seems to me like a permission problem, but I can't seem to find it
[11:33:00] Filip^: so you think the entire partition may be mounted read-only or something?
[11:34:00] Filip^: hmm, no, cause you can create the file yourself
[11:34:00] brikus: No, I know that's no the case
[11:34:00] brikus: I mean that I've tried all the usual permission settings and they don't have any effect
[11:34:00] Filip^: what system are you using?
[11:34:00] brikus: I mean, even the umask is 0
[11:34:00] brikus: Gentoo
[11:35:00] Filip^: where is the buffer locatesd?
[11:35:00] brikus: On a RAID5 partition that I store most of my other media on
[11:35:00] Filip^: but what's the dir called, I'm looking it up on my own system
[11:36:00] Filip^: (although I have to admit that I never watch live tv over my myth)
[11:36:00] brikus: At first, it was set to a directory in /var. Then I switched to the big disk and it had no change
[11:38:00] Filip^: and recording works, right?
[11:39:00] brikus: I have not tried to record anything yet
[11:40:00] Filip^: i had your problem before, too
[11:40:00] Filip^: I can see it in my log now
[11:41:00] Filip^: but these errors haven't recurred since august 1 for me
[11:42:00] Filip^: at which point, I find a lot of ioctl: VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY; Frequency set to 3028 in my logs
[11:42:00] Filip^: maybe you have to tune your tuner first
[11:43:00] brikus: As in ivtv-ctl -c 2?
[11:44:00] Filip^: without the dash for the latest versions, I think
[11:44:00] Filip^: ivtvctl
[11:44:00] brikus: Yeah, that's what I meant
[11:44:00] Filip^: and possibly followed by a ptune.pl
[11:44:00] brikus: ptune.pl works as well
[11:44:00] Filip^: so can you cat your video?
[11:44:00] Filip^: from /dev
[11:44:00] brikus: I can record from cable no problem if I use cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[11:45:00] brikus: mplayer plays it flawlessly
[11:45:00] Filip^: then I'd go back to the setup program, (my last guess)
[11:45:00] Filip^: strange how you can record though
[11:46:00] Filip^: o wait, you haven't recorded anything from mythtv yet, have you?
[11:46:00] brikus: It seems to be a myth problem. I pretty much ruled out ivtv as the culprit, although I'm still open to ideas
[11:46:00] brikus: No, I haven't
[11:46:00] Filip^: okay, then I'd go back to the mythtv setup program. I would guess that's where your problem is
[11:47:00] Filip^: but I used the word "guess" intentionally...
[11:47:00] brikus: I've looked over that repeatedly. Any hints as to where to look?
[11:48:00] brikus: The front and back ends are on the same computer, and I've tried changing the server IP and the client IP to localhost and 127.0.0.1, but thats no help
[11:49:00] brikus: For everything else, the frontend and backend work like they should
[11:50:00] Filip^: so in your capture card, the correct tuner is set
[11:50:00] Filip^: the input connections are confugre from Tuner 0 to whatever you set as your video source?
[11:50:00] brikus: In input connections, the only thing I have set to a video source is tuner0
[11:51:00] brikus: Do I need to "delete" the other options from the list?
[11:51:00] Filip^: no, mine looks the same
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[11:52:00] Filip^: and in your capture card setup, the card type is MPEG2-decorde (PVR350), with video device /dev/v4l/video0 and the default input is tuner 0
[11:52:00] brikus: Yes
[11:53:00] Filip^: and it's a fresh install, right?
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[11:56:00] brikus: Fresh install of Gentoo and IVTV, yes
[11:56:00] brikus: Err myth and ivtv I mean
[11:56:00] brikus: I've had Gentoo on here for a year or so
[11:58:00] brikus: SUCCESS!
[11:58:00] Filip^: I have a file here, it's an openoffice document with some of the steps I needed to take to get it to work. Since I'm all out of options, would you want it? It's only partly in Dutch
[11:58:00] Filip^: o wait
[11:58:00] Filip^: what happened?
[11:59:00] brikus: I had the video device set as /dev/video0 instead of /dev/v4l/video0
[11:59:00] Filip^: great
[11:59:00] brikus: I knew it had to be something small like that
[11:59:00] Filip^: did you get sound also?
[12:00:00] brikus: No, it said it couldn't get the ALSA settings and I choose to continue without audio
[12:00:00] brikus: But that's the first time that prompt has come up
[12:00:00] Filip^: well, cross that bridge when you get there
[12:00:00] Filip^: do you want that file?
[12:00:00] brikus: Yeah, I would appreciate that
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[12:02:00] Filip^: are you offered the file already?
[12:05:00] Filip^: drop me a line at FdotSdotvandenBerghatsterrenbosdotdemondotnl
[12:05:00] Filip^: gotto go now
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[13:00:00] Juski: good afternoon :)
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[13:18:00] jono: hi all
[13:18:00] jono: I am updating my listings with mythfilldatabase and there are stacks of conflicting program messages – is this normal?
[13:19:00] stoffel: for overlapping data, yes
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[13:21:00] jono: will that mean that some listings are missing?
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[13:22:00] stoffel: no, just that mfdb is inserting program information for dates/times for which there is already information in the database
[13:24:00] jono: oh right
[13:24:00] jono: I am running this as the mythtv user – will it be able to access the DB ok?
[13:25:00] stoffel: if not, mythfdb would complain
[13:26:00] stoffel: mythfdb/mythfrontend both read mysql.txt to get the user account information for the database
[13:27:00] jono: oh right
[13:27:00] jono: mysql.txt is fine
[13:28:00] jono: thanks :)
[13:28:00] jono: one other question, what period of time do these listings cover? a week? two weeks?
[13:28:00] stoffel: that depends on the grabber
[13:29:00] stoffel: see the system status page in mythfrontend
[13:32:00] jono: right
[13:32:00] jono: but will mythtv automatically update the listings for me?
[13:32:00] stoffel: either mythtv or cron can do that, see the installation docs for details
[13:33:00] jono: ahhh cool
[13:34:00] jono: thanks for your help :)
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[13:52:00] Juski: hmmpph trying to test out the elkin theme for mythweb and I can't get mythweb to change from the default theme
[13:56:00] Juski: ah well. sacking that idea then
[13:56:00] jono: where do I access the mythtv web interface?
[13:58:00] Juski: jono – are you running apache?
[13:58:00] Juski: do you have mod_php installed?
[13:59:00] Juski: and finally.. do you have mythweb installed?
[13:59:00] jono: its ok, just fixing my db settings :)
[13:59:00] Juski: if you do, you can find mythweb at http://your_mythtv_backend_ip/mythweb/
[14:06:00] otwin: Juski: where can I find that elkin theme for mythweb?
[14:07:00] Juski: it's over at cvs.mythtv.org
[14:07:00] jono: it works now :)
[14:07:00] jono: anyone here use UK listings?
[14:07:00] Juski: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/58
[14:08:00] Juski: jono: I do
[14:08:00] jono: Juski, do you have the channel icons working?
[14:08:00] Juski: yep
[14:08:00] jono: how did you do it?
[14:08:00] Juski: tv_grab_uk_rt doesn't grab icons
[14:08:00] jono: oh
[14:08:00] jono: so how do you get them?
[14:08:00] Juski: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/dvb/icons.tar.gz
[14:09:00] jono: where do I stick that?
[14:09:00] Juski: erm.. in the 'icons' directory
[14:09:00] jono: where is that?
[14:09:00] Juski: usually /usr/share/mythtv/icons
[14:10:00] jono: oh cool
[14:10:00] Juski: and for mythweb...
[14:10:00] jono: there is no /usr/share/mythtv/icons
[14:11:00] Juski: /web_root_folder/mythweb/images/icons
[14:11:00] Juski: is there a /usr/share/mythtv ?
[14:11:00] jono: yeah
[14:11:00] Juski: you can put them wherever you like, jono.. just point the channel configuration for the icon at each one
[14:11:00] jono: oh right
[14:12:00] Juski: so long as the user mythtv is run under has read privileges
[14:12:00] Juski: you got to edit each channel in the channel editor (or sql mangler) to say where each channel icon lives
[14:13:00] jono: ok cheers
[14:13:00] Juski: that file I sent the link to have tv & radio icons... when you unpack it, 2 directories will be created (tv and radio) where the icons live
[14:14:00] Juski: and I've just noticed it doesn't have the more4 icon
[14:15:00] Juski: but I created one, which you can find here: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/more4.gif
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[14:23:00] otwin: Juski: thanks – it works for me. still doesn't work for you?
[14:23:00] Juski: nope otwin.. can't change the theme from the default at all
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[14:24:00] otwin: you need to copy theme_elkin.php to mythweb/config/
[14:24:00] jono: Juski, my icons dont show in the program guide
[14:27:00] Juski: where, jono.. in mythweb?
[14:28:00] jono: Juski, in mythfrontend
[14:29:00] Juski: have you edited the channels to add the icon paths and filenames?
[14:29:00] Dagmar: What good do the radio icons do?
[14:29:00] Dagmar: There's no radio tuner in Myth that I can find
[14:29:00] jono: Juski, yep
[14:29:00] Juski: Dagmar: none as long as DVB radio doesn't work
[14:29:00] Dagmar: Ah
[14:29:00] Juski: jono: have the icons all got the right permissions?
[14:29:00] Dagmar: At some point I'll have to get around to installing GQRadio again
[14:30:00] Juski: there's been some development of radio for mythtv though, you'll be pleased to know
[14:32:00] jono: still doesnt work
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[14:33:00] jono: Juski, still don't show :(
[14:34:00] jono: oh hang on
[14:34:00] ** jono may be an idiot :) **
[14:38:00] jono: Juski, works!
[14:38:00] jono: mythtv feels a bit sluggish
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[14:39:00] Juski: how so, jono?
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[14:40:00] Juski: I'm gonna have to play with some theming soon... just been trying the other themes again .. eeeeew.. blue is still king
[14:50:00] jono: Juski, when I click things it takes a little while for it to work
[14:50:00] Juski: should do.. what CPU are you running on?
[14:50:00] Juski: **shouldn't** I mean
[14:51:00] Juski: menus etc are really quick on my EPIA 1GHz machine
[14:51:00] Juski: certainly quicker than my crappy NTL cable box anyway
[14:51:00] jono: its an amd64 which is running in normal 32 bit mode
[14:52:00] Juski: you got your graphics drivers installed jono?
[14:52:00] jono: I think so
[14:52:00] jono: I have a radeon card but I dont think I have the proprietary drivers installed
[14:52:00] Juski: are you running svn or the 0.18.1 release?
[14:53:00] jono: 0.18.1
[14:53:00] Juski: btw jono those channel icons are just for freeview channels ;)
[14:53:00] jono: yeah
[14:53:00] jono: where can i get the other icons?
[14:53:00] Juski: I'm gonna work on buidling a full UK icon file
[14:54:00] jono: awesome!!
[14:54:00] Juski: I've got most, if not all of them as postscript fonts somewhere
[14:56:00] jono: that would be awesome
[14:56:00] jono: is there an automatic way of adding icons?>
[14:56:00] Juski: only with scripts
[14:56:00] Juski: http://thetvroom.com/area-c/tvfonts/section-front.shtml
[14:57:00] jono: is there a script to automate uk icons being installed?
[14:59:00] Juski: kind of, but it may not work with your setup
[14:59:00] Juski: you only ever have to do it once
[15:00:00] Juski: so just do it manually like I do ;)
[15:00:00] jono: yeah, I suppose :)
[15:01:00] jono: Juski, do let me know when you have done the icons :)
[15:02:00] Juski: will do...
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[15:08:00] hfghfh: Is it possible to let mythtv automatically delete old recordings when the disk space starts tp run out.
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[15:13:00] Juski: it's called autoexpire, hfghfh
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[15:16:00] hfghfh: yes but even if the recordings are marked with autoexpire = true i still run ou of diskspace since nothing gets deleted.
[15:18:00] Juski: hmmm can't say I've ever had that problem.. maybe it doesn't expire em til you've watched them
[15:18:00] hfghfh: now i have to manually delete old recordings from time to time just to make sure there is room for new recordings. Another thing is that mythtv doesnt even notice the when the disk is full, it just starts to record as if nothing is wrong. meaning i get garbled recordings on the disk
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[15:20:00] hfghfh: do you know if its possible to force removal of old material when a new recording is scheduled.
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[15:23:00] AndyCap: Hmm: http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html
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[15:35:00] prologic: Hi guys, got a problem setting up mythtv
[15:35:00] prologic: compiled and runs ok, only as far as the setup
[15:35:00] prologic: it doesn't seem to get past the database setup
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[15:38:00] prologic: 2005-10–29 23:38:33.722 Unable to connect to database!
[15:38:00] prologic: 2005-10–29 23:38:33.722 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[15:38:00] prologic: couldn't open db
[15:41:00] Juski: prologic.. looks like wrong mysql version.. too up to date for mythtv
[15:42:00] prologic: you're joking ?
[15:42:00] prologic: $ prt-get listinst mysql -v
[15:42:00] prologic: mysql 4.1.15–1
[15:43:00] eidolon: can you conect to mysql on your own?
[15:43:00] prologic: sure can
[15:43:00] prologic: using mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[15:43:00] prologic: mysql> show tables;
[15:43:00] prologic: Empty set (0.00 sec)
[15:43:00] prologic: I piped /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql through mysql
[15:44:00] eidolon: my guess would be with juski – a version mismatch – library headers that myth is using are different from what what mysql is needing.
[15:44:00] eidolon: yah, i hear ya. that's odd.
[15:44:00] eidolon: did you look at the mysql error log?
[15:44:00] prologic: not yet
[15:44:00] prologic: one tic
[15:44:00] prologic: hmm no errors
[15:45:00] prologic: or I'm not logging errors :)
[15:45:00] eidolon: heh
[15:45:00] eidolon: i'm not a myth expert – i -just- got it running last night :)
[15:45:00] prologic: damn
[15:45:00] prologic: and it worked for you obviously
[15:46:00] prologic: what version of mythtv and mysql you using ?
[15:46:00] eidolon: i used knoppmyth from the beginning to end, it helped enormously.
[15:46:00] rjune: heh
[15:46:00] prologic: 2005-10–29 23:46:35.574 User canceled database configuration
[15:46:00] prologic: Unable to open database:
[15:46:00] prologic: Driver error was:
[15:46:00] prologic: Driver not loaded
[15:46:00] prologic: Database error was:
[15:46:00] prologic: Driver not loaded
[15:46:00] prologic: ahhh
[15:46:00] prologic: strange :)
[15:47:00] rjune: prologic: is the database started?
[15:47:00] prologic: how do you mean ?
[15:47:00] rjune: is mysql running?
[15:47:00] prologic: of course :)
[15:47:00] eidolon: mysql command line worked :)
[15:47:00] prologic: or I'd not be able to connect with 'mysql'
[15:47:00] prologic: *nods*
[15:49:00] eidolon: my current problem is that the on-screen schedule display isn't right. it's showing the right channels, just not the right programming.
[15:50:00] prologic: I'm going to update to 0.18.1
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[15:51:00] _Nero_: Anyone here running OpenGL vsync?
[15:52:00] _Nero_: How do you like it? I tried running it long ago, and it seemed unstable..
[15:52:00] prologic: hah
[15:52:00] prologic: I can't even get mythtv to work yet :)
[15:53:00] _Nero_: :) keep at it.. its worth it.. (and I was in your shoes a while back..)
[15:53:00] _Nero_: what's not working?
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[15:53:00] prologic: I'm currently using 0.17
[15:54:00] prologic: and it just won't get past the database setup
[15:54:00] _Nero_: Any reason in particular you are using 0.17?
[15:54:00] prologic: just downloading 0.18.1 atm
[15:54:00] prologic: no :)
[15:54:00] eidolon: what does opengl vsync do?
[15:54:00] prologic: only that the crux port maintainer hasn't updated to 0.18.1 yet
[15:55:00] _Nero_: just build from source.. ;)
[15:55:00] prologic: I am lol
[15:55:00] prologic: crux is a source based distro
[15:55:00] ** prologic sighs **
[15:56:00] _Nero_: eidolon- vsync is the synchronization (sp?) of the buffer swap with your monitors refresh rate.. OpenGL vsync just uses ogl to perform this sync..
[15:56:00] eidolon: oh interesting.
[15:56:00] eidolon: makes for cleaner video i take it?
[15:57:00] _Nero_: (ex on an NTSC TV you have 60hz refresh rate, so vsync will redraw your frames at 60fps synced up with your monitors refresh)
[15:57:00] eidolon: cool.
[15:57:00] _Nero_: Yes.. should give flicker free/smooth video..
[15:58:00] eidolon: nifty.
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[15:58:00] _Nero_: And it keeps you from getting tearing artifacts, and some flashing that can be seen at times.
[15:58:00] eidolon: i think i need to get my program guide fixed first, then i'm going to install a bigger drive for my /mythtv volume (which holds music, ring buffer, and stored shows, yes?)
[15:59:00] eidolon: (right now i have a 40gig drive in there.... not big enough :)
[16:00:00] _Nero_: Well, you can set up as many volumes as you want. I have one 200gig drive that holds music/buffer/video/recordings etc.. I set it up as a LVM volume, so I can add another drive to it and just expand the /media volume (as I called it)
[16:00:00] eidolon: ooo.
[16:00:00] eidolon: good idea :)
[16:01:00] _Nero_: I'll probably add a 300gigger here in a month or two.. after that, I'll probably end up making a stand-alone media server..
[16:01:00] eidolon: so have a single box that has your encoder cards in it and disk space, then have a seperate box that just runs mythfrontend?
[16:01:00] eidolon: (or two?)
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[16:03:00] _Nero_: Nope.. I'll set up a box that is nothing but drives and a RAID 5 card (with linux running on a seperate 20 gigger or something like that..) Then I'll have my backend/frontend combo, with my encoder cards, connected to this media server box..
[16:03:00] _Nero_: That way you have one machine devoted only to storage- I can then use that machine to take backups of my other boxes, and serve music, etc.. to all computers in the house..
[16:03:00] _Nero_: outside of mythtv that is..
[16:04:00] _Nero_: I suppose I could also run the backend on it.. but if not, I have PCI slots to keep adding HD controllers..
[16:05:00] eidolon: hmm. okay
[16:06:00] eidolon: my goal is to have a media system that has -all- our mp3's on it, as well as serving up video and the like – this box is the first machine for this.
[16:06:00] eidolon: so far i'm pretty happy – and i think i can use the webservice to schedule stuff / tinker with it.
[16:06:00] eidolon: not webservice. web. server.
[16:06:00] eidolon: :)
[16:06:00] _Nero_: Also, that way you can put it in a big case, with LOTS of fans (HDs need lots of cooling if you dont want them to fail, and you are cramming them all in one case), and throw it in a closet somewhere that it wont be heard.. ;)
[16:07:00] eidolon: yup yup :)
[16:07:00] eidolon: drives are so cheap. sheesh. 320gig SATA 150 HD. $126.
[16:08:00] _Nero_: yeah- myth is a great option for that. I dont know if you use iTunes (most of my "daily work" type machines are Macs), but there area some linux apps to share your mp3 directories as iTunes shares..
[16:08:00] _Nero_: yeah- no kidding.. hell in a few months, you will probably be able to get 500 giggers for under $200..
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[16:11:00] _Nero_: mmm pretty... wish these weren't so expensive: http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/atech_5000.htm
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[16:13:00] ** eidolon is showing the mythtv box to a friend :) **
[16:14:00] eidolon: how does the back end database update listings? automatically? or do i have to run mythimport?
[16:15:00] _Nero_: using mythfilldatabase..
[16:15:00] eidolon: okay. i didn't know if that was a one-off or not.
[16:15:00] _Nero_: there are two ways to do it..
[16:15:00] _Nero_: 1) set it up in the settings to run mythfilldatabase automatically (Settings --> general I beleive)
[16:15:00] _Nero_: 2) set up a cron job to run mythfilldatabase in the middle of the night...
[16:15:00] eidolon: or corntab -e  :)
[16:15:00] ** eidolon nodnodnodndos. **
[16:16:00] ** laga slaps Beirdo **
[16:16:00] _Nero_: thats not very nice laga.. the guy just got engaged... :p
[16:17:00] eidolon: i need to print out a keyboard cheatsheet.  :-/
[16:17:00] eidolon: i have the pvr-150 remote, just haven't hooked it up yet.
[16:17:00] eidolon: okay, 'automaticlaly run mythfilldatabase' is checked.
[16:17:00] eidolon: (was already)
[16:17:00] _Nero_: I have labels stuck all over mine.. had to make it "wife friendly" for when the remote isnt doing what she wants it to..
[16:17:00] eidolon: hee hee :)
[16:17:00] eidolon: yah, i think i'll get an IR keyboard for the box.
[16:18:00] eidolon: ahh, mythfilldb is set to run every 3 days.
[16:18:00] ** eidolon runs it by hand. **
[16:18:00] _Nero_: there is a good one that has a knobby mouse deal, and keyboard all built into one.. works great..
[16:18:00] _Nero_: (and was only $20 or something like that)
[16:18:00] eidolon: yup, saw them.
[16:19:00] _Nero_: even has media keys on it.. I really should program those (For volume + -, launch Myhtfrontend, etc..)
[16:19:00] _Nero_: or, I should just get a descent univ. remote..
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[16:22:00] eidolon: i hav ethe pvr-150 remote which seems okay.
[16:22:00] eidolon: but.. heck. id on't heven have a TV set. i'm using my 17" LCD monitor right now :)
[16:22:00] logme: dist-upgrade to unstable wasn't quite seamless
[16:22:00] eidolon: that's why it's called 'unstable'  :) </snarky>
[16:23:00] _Nero_: yeah- I just have the Hughes DirecTV receiver remote.. I have a All41 remote that looks great, but I cant seem to get it working..
[16:23:00] eidolon: yah, what i -do- have is the old Philips LCD screen remote... remember these things?
[16:23:00] eidolon: Ts1000?
[16:23:00] eidolon: aka a philips 'pronto' ?
[16:24:00] eidolon: it's pretty out of date now.
[16:24:00] _Nero_: yeah.. I have considered upgrading to a new Pronto.. would make the system VERY wife friendly, but it wouldnt matter any more, because I would no longer have a wife..
[16:24:00] _Nero_: (she'd kill me if I went out and spent $500 on a remote.. lol)
[16:24:00] eidolon: hah
[16:24:00] eidolon: yah, budget is tricky. i've spent... $200 on this so far. (for the pvr card)
[16:25:00] ** eidolon plays with mythweb **
[16:27:00] eidolon: oh. look. mythweb includes a keys file.
[16:27:00] _Nero_: yup
[16:28:00] eidolon: whoah
[16:28:00] ** eidolon looks at mythweb. **
[16:28:00] eidolon: dayam.
[16:28:00] eidolon: i suppose i can stop being impressed at some point, eh?
[16:29:00] _Nero_: Myth is great.. still a little rough around the edges here and there (UI isnt as "smooth" as I'd like- to be fixed with the new UI lib when it goes OGL) but is VERY VERY usable, and impressive..
[16:30:00] eidolon: no kidding 8)
[16:30:00] eidolon: well, my listings are stil wrong :(
[16:30:00] _Nero_: howso?
[16:30:00] eidolon: they're showing the right channels, but the wrong shows.
[16:31:00] _Nero_: is the time on your box set up right?
[16:31:00] eidolon: yup.
[16:32:00] _Nero_: ergh.. ssh is no longer working on this box.. brb
[16:32:00] eidolon: ick
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[16:38:00] logme: I've sepnt a few thousand so far, almost done.
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[16:38:00] _Nero_: fixed..
[16:38:00] eidolon: logme: sad :)
[16:39:00] eidolon: hey, how come 'vlc' is not in 'testing'?
[16:39:00] eidolon: friend is wanting to run vlc as a client and see if he can view stuff from the mythtv box :)
[16:39:00] logme: home theatre isn't a cheap endeavor
[16:39:00] eidolon: (can the encoder stream to a remote client for livetv? or only recorded stuff?)
[16:40:00] eidolon: okay, i'm getting distracted
[16:40:00] eidolon: need to figure out why my listings are wrong.
[16:40:00] logme: He can "stream" by running mythfrontend only
[16:40:00] eidolon: ONLY thing i can think of is my zap2it is wrong.
[16:40:00] logme: Anyone tried sagetv?
[16:40:00] logme: I wonder how it compares to mythtv.
[16:41:00] _Nero_: well. its been 48 hours of stability.. I think I solved my crashing problems.. (1- in mythmusic- onboard soundcard causing problems, fixed by replacing it with a SB live card, 2- X randomly crashing, frontend looking like crap- tearing, etc.. fixed by switching to NvAGP "0" in xorg.conf)
[16:41:00] eidolon: cool.
[16:41:00] _Nero_: logme- sagetv is nice.. very polished, etc.. but 1) its not free, 2) it doesnt do everything myth does
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[16:43:00] prologic: hrmm this is ridicoulous :/
[16:43:00] prologic: using the latest mythtv now 0.18.1
[16:43:00] eidolon: hmm.
[16:43:00] prologic: still can't get past the database setup
[16:43:00] eidolon: okay a question just came up
[16:43:00] prologic: always goes back
[16:43:00] eidolon: what about digital channels?
[16:43:00] _Nero_: prologic- how are you setting it up?
[16:43:00] prologic: via mythtv-setup
[16:44:00] prologic: mythtv runs it by default if there's no setup afaik
[16:44:00] _Nero_: prologic- did you run the mysql setup file?
[16:44:00] prologic: the one in /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql ?
[16:44:00] _Nero_: maybe.. hold on..
[16:45:00] prologic: if so, yes I ran that
[16:45:00] _Nero_: ok, so you have a mythconverg database then?
[16:45:00] eidolon: ahh. HAH!
[16:45:00] prologic: `. created mythtv user account with all privleges 2. ran /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql 3. mythtv-setup
[16:45:00] eidolon: my clock says 'Sat Oct 29 10:45:19 UTC 2005'
[16:45:00] eidolon: that's not right, is it?
[16:45:00] eidolon: Sat Oct 29 10:45:49 EDT 2005
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[16:45:00] prologic: $ sudo ls /usr/var/lib//mysql/
[16:45:00] prologic: Password:
[16:45:00] prologic: company mysql mythconverg test
[16:46:00] _Nero_: depends on where you are
[16:46:00] prologic: eidolon, tzconfig
[16:46:00] ** eidolon is in boston. **
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[16:46:00] _Nero_: oh- then yes it is 10:45am..
[16:46:00] ** eidolon runs tzconfig **
[16:47:00] _Nero_: prologic- do you get an error when you run mythtv-setup?
[16:47:00] prologic: yup
[16:47:00] _Nero_: what error..
[16:47:00] prologic: lemme psate somewhere
[16:47:00] _Nero_: pastebin.com
[16:47:00] _Nero_: (or whatever pastebin you want to use.. ;) )
[16:48:00] prologic: http://wiki.shortcircuit.net.au/ShortCircuitWiki/MythtvError#
[16:48:00] prologic: hehe how bout my wiki site :)
[16:49:00] eidolon: yaknow, i could just use ntpdate.
[16:49:00] ** eidolon fiddles. **
[16:49:00] logme: ugh, I really hate unstable
[16:49:00] ** logme rebuilds myth debs **
[16:49:00] _Nero_: sounds like you dont have q3sql installed..
[16:49:00] prologic: omg
[16:49:00] eidolon: hah. step time server ... offset 14393.344082 sec
[16:49:00] eidolon: *KERCHUNK*
[16:49:00] prologic: I'm so going ot kick jaegar :)
[16:49:00] prologic: he's the port maintainer for mythtv
[16:50:00] _Nero_: or.. improper drivers for your version of mysql..
[16:50:00] _Nero_: what version of mysql you running? 3??
[16:50:00] prologic: $ prt-get listinst mysql -v
[16:50:00] prologic: mysql 4.1.15–1
[16:50:00] _Nero_: actually- looks like the qsql is present.. just cant find drivers for your version of mysql..
[16:50:00] prologic: $ prt-get search q3sql
[16:50:00] prologic: prt-get: using cache
[16:50:00] prologic: No matching packages found
[16:50:00] logme: oh this is great, I have binary debs 0.18.1–5 installed but it fetches -4 when I apt-get source
[16:50:00] _Nero_: hold on.. :)
[16:51:00] prologic: logme, Debian is a stupid pos and a pain in the neck :)
[16:51:00] _Nero_: try qt3-mysql
[16:51:00] prologic: I have a debian servers and going to swithc them all to crux shortly
[16:51:00] prologic: negatory
[16:52:00] prologic: hmm
[16:52:00] prologic: do I need to recompile kdelibs ?
[16:52:00] prologic: mysql was installed after it I think
[16:52:00] prologic: so it may not have mysql support in it
[16:52:00] _Nero_: no..
[16:53:00] _Nero_: maybe you need to recompile qt3 though..
[16:53:00] prologic: ok
[16:53:00] prologic: doing so now
[16:53:00] _Nero_: it looks like q3sql is installed, it just didnt compile drivers for mysql..
[16:53:00] _Nero_: which would make sense, if mysql was not compiled/installed yet.
[16:54:00] prologic: *nods*
[16:54:00] prologic: thanks for your help :)
[16:54:00] prologic: most likely that's the cause
[16:54:00] prologic: we'll see
[16:54:00] _Nero_: no problem.. hope this fixes it..
[16:54:00] eidolon: okay. so what i'm seeing on the screen is something that is showing in my program guide for 4 hours from now.
[16:54:00] eidolon: i did ntpdate, and did a tzconfig
[16:54:00] prologic: I really would like to see the mythtv devs use sqlite instead
[16:54:00] eidolon: i restarted the mythtv back end
[16:54:00] prologic: mysql is a bit of an overkill
[16:54:00] eidolon: should i reboot? should i re-run the import?
[16:54:00] eidolon: prologic: BS.
[16:55:00] eidolon: mysql is the best supported, most stable, and is hardly 'overkill'
[16:55:00] _Nero_: prologic- is there a php plugin for sqlite?
[16:55:00] prologic: sure is
[16:55:00] prologic: eidolon, don't bs me :) hehe
[16:55:00] _Nero_: a phpMyAdmin equiv?? ;)
[16:55:00] prologic: sqlite is quite a popular embedded rdbm
[16:55:00] prologic: with huge support
[16:55:00] eidolon: more than mysql?
[16:55:00] prologic: _Nero_, most likely
[16:55:00] eidolon: better understand than mysql?
[16:55:00] prologic: sqlite is 100% OSS
[16:55:00] eidolon: more dependable?
[16:56:00] prologic: whereas mysql has licensing :)
[16:56:00] eidolon: that's a red herring.
[16:56:00] prologic: hey I use sqlite for all my apps
[16:56:00] _Nero_: eidolon- I know sqlite is great.. I'm just unfamiliar wiht it, and am very comfortable with mysql..
[16:56:00] eidolon: anyway... i need to fix this timezone problem :-/
[16:56:00] _Nero_: As long as there is a choice..
[16:56:00] prologic: *nods*
[16:56:00] ** eidolon is very comfy with mysql too, and has never seen a reason to switch. **
[16:56:00] eidolon: sure. mysql or postgres.  :) :) :) :)
[16:56:00] _Nero_: eidolon- there is a setting somewhere that says if your mobo is on universal time..
[16:56:00] prologic: sqlite is faster than mysql :)
[16:57:00] prologic: and with no server/client model overhead
[16:57:00] eidolon: and far less capable.
[16:57:00] prologic: no not really
[16:57:00] eidolon: soo... we should move to a non client-server model, which means we can't seperate the back end from the mythtv client anymore?
[16:57:00] prologic: so the mythtv front-end relies on the mysql server huh
[16:57:00] prologic: odd :)
[16:58:00] prologic: I would have thought xml-rpc or soap might be used
[16:58:00] _Nero_: prologic- since all settings are stored in the mysql database, yes..
[16:58:00] eidolon: wait
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx: actually eventually Myth is likely going to move to using sqllite on the backend, and write a networking layer for it into the backend protocol
[16:58:00] eidolon: WHY am i arguing this?
[16:58:00] prologic: *nods*
[16:58:00] ** eidolon goes on to real work. **
[16:58:00] prologic: GreyFoxx, now that I'd like to see :)
[16:59:00] _Nero_: GreyFoxx- any plans on allowing either mysql or sqlite?
[16:59:00] prologic: eidolon, you're too emotionally tied with mysql :)
[16:59:00] prologic: eidolon, go back to work :)
[16:59:00] GreyFoxx: Remove the MySQL requirement since too many users are not able to manager to get it running :)
[16:59:00] prologic: heh
[16:59:00] prologic: still I'd provide both neways
[16:59:00] eidolon: the flipside is -everyone- knows mysql. it's easy to debug it.
[16:59:00] prologic: personally I'd use sqlite
[16:59:00] prologic: since my tv machine is my desktop
[17:00:00] GreyFoxx: _Nero_: The only talk has been abbout moving to it to sqllite, nothing about letting it e optional
[17:00:00] eidolon: i wonder if mythtv is using something like odbc... that would make a lot of sense – repalceable database server.
[17:00:00] eidolon: the problem with that is it already has too many switches and config options :)
[17:00:00] GreyFoxx: AND it would get rid of the "But I like postgres" complainers too
[17:00:00] eidolon: GreyFoxx: yeah, but you'd gain all the 'but i like mysql!' whiners :)
[17:00:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: all DB access currently uses QT's sql libraries
[17:00:00] ** eidolon nods. **
[17:01:00] eidolon: switching to webservices would probably make sense... the data moving to and from the db is pretty small.
[17:01:00] ** prologic looks at what he started and watches qt3 recompile **
[17:01:00] _Nero_: hehe
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: You;ll probably see changes to the myth protocol to act as a network layer to the sqllite DB
[17:02:00] prologic: cool :)
[17:02:00] prologic: can't wait
[17:02:00] _Nero_: I just want to see the OpenGL frontend.. ;)
[17:02:00] prologic: not that I've ever used mythtv yet
[17:02:00] prologic: firs time ;)
[17:02:00] prologic: my graphics card is a pos :/
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: prologic: It's not adone deal, but likely.
[17:02:00] prologic: I can't even run basic gl games
[17:03:00] eidolon: hey question – friend here has his debian laptop
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[17:03:00] eidolon: can he watch livetv from the myth box? remotely?
[17:03:00] prologic: ATI Radeon 9200
[17:03:00] eidolon: he has vlc.
[17:03:00] _Nero_: eidolon- have him install just a mythfrontend..
[17:03:00] _Nero_: then he can connect to your backend, and watch TV live..
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: Well, you can get vlc to stream live from the capture card, but it wouldn;t be talking to "myth"
[17:03:00] ** eidolon passes that along. **
[17:03:00] eidolon: myth isn't in debian packages?
[17:04:00] eidolon: he's running 'unstable'
[17:04:00] erich141: does anyone know if there is a way to filter recorded shows by rating, i.e. allow certain frontend show only TV-G shows?
[17:04:00] eidolon: sorry, he's running 'testing'
[17:04:00] erich141: I see that rating of recorded shows is already stored in the DB
[17:04:00] GreyFoxx: Considering half the people in here are running debian or a debian based distro I would say there is a package for it
[17:04:00] eidolon: GreyFoxx: i'd agree. any ideas where?  :)
[17:05:00] eidolon: aha.
[17:05:00] prologic: I'm p[rolly the only CRUX user :)
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: eidolon: Nope. I don't use debian or packages :)
[17:05:00] eidolon: he said he found it :)
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: except for ones I make myself
[17:05:00] eidolon: on the website docs. whoddathunkit?  :)
[17:05:00] eidolon: okay, i gotta idle to go pick up my son. bbiafew.
[17:06:00] _Nero_: erich141- not sure about that, but if not, it should be added..
[17:07:00] ** GreyFoxx goes back to filling in more of the missing data in romdb **
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[17:08:00] ** prologic hates qt3 **
[17:08:00] prologic: AMD Seprom 2400+ 1G ram and it's already taken a good 15mins
[17:08:00] prologic: and still going :/
[17:08:00] _Nero_: freaking dog.. ugh
[17:09:00] Juski: think how long it takes to compile on an athlon 800 then...
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[17:09:00] prologic: ouch :)
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: QT is a pig to compile. But C++ apps usually are, and QT is a big one :)
[17:09:00] prologic: I'm getting a quad core opteron desktop soon :)
[17:09:00] Juski: on a board with only UDMA33 :(
[17:09:00] ** Juski thinks some people must get paid too much ;) **
[17:10:00] prologic: heh
[17:10:00] prologic: just got a good job recently :)
[17:10:00] prologic: and helps he you have no dependents
[17:11:00] _Nero_: mythtv itself takes a while to compile.. 2.4 P4, and been going for a good 20 mins..
[17:11:00] prologic: actually took only a few mins on mine :)
[17:11:00] Juski: hmm if I was still living with my parents, on my current wage... :D
[17:11:00] _Nero_: prologic- doing a debugging build of svn.. I find it takes forever to compile this way..
[17:12:00] prologic: heh
[17:13:00] _Nero_: good.. dog finally chilled out..
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[17:20:00] _Nero_: does this interact-TV company use mythtv on their boxes?? http://interact-tv.com/
[17:22:00] GreyFoxx: Not sure about that one but several companies use myth on their boxes
[17:23:00] _Nero_: humm.. they seem to have their own called EOS which is "open source" though they dont let you download it anywhere..
[17:25:00] _Nero_: wow.. the goom plugin was taking up 85% of my cpu.. thought that was all openGL based..
[17:26:00] _Nero_: no wonder this compile was going soooo slow.
[17:26:00] Juski: _Nero_: have you tried glxgears to see what framerate you get?
[17:28:00] _Nero_: humm.. not good..
[17:28:00] _Nero_: glxgears just crashed X..
[17:28:00] _Nero_: UGH
[17:28:00] prologic: /usr/bin/ld: warning: libmysqlclient.so.14, needed by /usr/ports/contrib/qt3/work/src/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/lib/libqt-mt.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
[17:28:00] prologic: /usr/ports/contrib/qt3/work/src/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to `mysql_field_count'
[17:28:00] prologic: strange :/
[17:34:00] _Nero_: prologic – do a locate libmysqlclient.so.14 then make sure the path is in /etc/ld.so.conf
[17:34:00] prologic: nevermind :)
[17:34:00] prologic: silly me
[17:34:00] prologic: didn't follow the mysql readme
[17:35:00] prologic: only needed it this semester for data modelling subject at uni
[17:35:00] prologic: no programs on my system ever needed it till now :)
[17:35:00] prologic: mythtv
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[17:47:00] MrSpiffy: moo
[17:47:00] MrSpiffy: hey all, I just wrote a quick and simple perl script to get the nuv file names out of myth – designed to run on the web server from cgi
[17:47:00] MrSpiffy: anyone interested?
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[17:50:00] prologic: what are "nuv file names" ?
[17:50:00] prologic: <-- first-time mythtv user :)
[17:50:00] MrSpiffy: the filename of the nuv files of recorded programs
[17:50:00] prologic: still trying to get it working (recompiling qt3 with mysql support)
[17:50:00] prologic: oh ic
[17:50:00] prologic: yeh I'm interested
[17:50:00] mofu: anyone have a quick link on how to backup the "to record" list only from the database, considering zeroing my backend, but don't want to reprogram all the shows to record
[17:50:00] prologic: though I'd port it to python :)
[17:50:00] MrSpiffy: comes in handy for getting the files for export
[17:51:00] prologic: chuck it this way :)
[17:51:00] MrSpiffy: mofu, you can use mysql client in batch mode to dump the table to a file
[17:52:00] MrSpiffy: er
[17:52:00] MrSpiffy: backup
[17:52:00] MrSpiffy: not dump :)
[17:52:00] MrSpiffy: dump means delete in mysql
[17:52:00] prologic: same diff :)
[17:53:00] mofu: yeah, I've seen it documented somewhere . . .
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: mofu, heres a link for using mysql in batch mode to get data
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/batch-mode.html
[17:55:00] MrSpiffy: and here's one to put it back in
[17:56:00] MrSpiffy: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=8472/ur0307c/
[17:56:00] MrSpiffy: note that the file/path names are relative to the mysql server/host – not the client :)
[17:56:00] ** prologic makes a point that it'd just be a simple matter of sqlite db ".dump <table>" in sqlite :) **
[17:56:00] prologic: *meh*
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: mofu if you only want a specific table use mysqldump
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg TABLEHERE
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: errr
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: mysqldump -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg TABLEHERE
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: and redirect it to a file
[17:59:00] prologic: :)
[17:59:00] ** prologic kicks qt3! hurry up :) **
[17:59:00] prologic: mythtv better be good :)
[17:59:00] prologic: hehe
[17:59:00] MrSpiffy: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqldump.html
[17:59:00] prologic: 2am and I'm still testing my new tv tuner out
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: MrSpiffy: I assume you wrote that script against 0.18 or something ?
[18:00:00] MrSpiffy: addendum drop = delete
[18:00:00] MrSpiffy: GreyFoxx, yep
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: svn includes the filename directly in the recorded table now.
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: 1.9?
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: 1.1`9?
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: svn, It's not technically "0.19" yet
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[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: ah
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: well that's cool
[18:01:00] MrSpiffy: spiffy even
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: Allows you to rename recordings and so on. and mpeg2 recordings have a .mpg extension instead of .nuv
[18:02:00] MrSpiffy: also spiffy
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[18:02:00] mofu: GreyFoxx, is it the 'torecord' table I want?
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: honestly I'm not sure I'd have to look at adump of mine
[18:03:00] mofu: let me try
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: I backend the whole db, not just specific tables
[18:03:00] prologic: show tables;
[18:04:00] prologic: describe <table>;
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: use mythconverge;
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: show tables;
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: record
[18:04:00] MrSpiffy: :)
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: "record"
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: I just looked at my dump from this morning. Record = what to record, recorded = what you have currently recorded, and oldrecorded = history of recorded shows
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: prob want all 3
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: Why not backup the whole thing ?
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: and perhaps recordingprofiles
[18:06:00] MrSpiffy: yeah – why not the whole thing?
[18:08:00] mofu: 300 GB of recordings . . . . on an LVM that I might reconfigure
[18:09:00] prologic: ermm
[18:09:00] prologic: aren't the recordings stored on a fs ?
[18:09:00] mofu: lvm is currently ext3
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: So you don't plan on keeping the recordings then ?
[18:09:00] mofu: I don't think so . . . .
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: You could always backup the whole DB, then after restoring go in and clear recorded
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: then all your settings remain, but the recordings list is wiped
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: But obviously do what works for you
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: prologic: Yes they are on all the filesystem
[18:10:00] prologic: oh *phew*
[18:10:00] MrSpiffy: side note – I use mysqlcc for that. click the table and empty it *paf!*
[18:10:00] prologic: be terribly inefficient to store reocrded movies in a mysql db :)
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: That would be quite gross
[18:11:00] prologic: indeed
[18:11:00] mofu: lol, yeah it would be
[18:11:00] prologic: hey don't worry I have people asking me to help them write mysql php code to store and retrieve images from a mysql db :/
[18:11:00] prologic: silly buggers
[18:11:00] MrSpiffy: very silly
[18:11:00] prologic: I'm like, "do you have any idea of the overheads involved ?"
[18:11:00] ** prologic sighs **
[18:12:00] prologic: some people should be banned from programming
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: begs the question – why
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: answer: cuz I don't understand how databases work
[18:12:00] MrSpiffy: answer: cuz I think databases are filmaker and access
[18:13:00] prologic: some people tend to think rdbm dbs are the bees knees :)
[18:13:00] prologic: I wonder why :/
[18:13:00] MrSpiffy: ms trained
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: goota go
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: have fun
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[18:15:00] prologic: my side goal is to move my country heavily into the OSS world (and Linux desktops)
[18:15:00] prologic: :)
[18:15:00] ** GreyFoxx writes yet another screenscraper **
[18:15:00] prologic: bya Spiify :P
[18:15:00] mofu: you own a country?
[18:15:00] prologic: lol no :)
[18:15:00] prologic: the country I live in
[18:15:00] prologic: and am a citizen of
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[18:15:00] GreyFoxx: Oz ?
[18:15:00] prologic: yer
[18:15:00] mofu: you have influence?
[18:15:00] prologic: that terrible pos :)
[18:16:00] prologic: hehe
[18:16:00] ** GreyFoxx use to live in Perth, but it was a long time ago now **
[18:16:00] prologic: I have influence of those around me
[18:16:00] prologic: government influence will come shortly
[18:16:00] GreyFoxx: I often daydream of going back.
[18:16:00] prologic: oh cool :)
[18:16:00] prologic: my best mate lives there
[18:16:00] prologic: visited in in the winter holidays this year
[18:16:00] GreyFoxx: I loved it, but eventually my VISA ran out :)
[18:17:00] mofu: start in the shcools, as a "cost savings" eventually everyone will be so used to linux, and OpenOffice, they won't question a complete switch
[18:17:00] prologic: *nods*
[18:17:00] prologic: my intention
[18:18:00] prologic: fuck some of the contracts schools have for M$ shit are in the $xxx,xxx
[18:18:00] prologic: really stupid price ;)
[18:19:00] mofu: true, also keep LTSP in mind, evidently Ubuntu has integrated into their latest release, even more cost savings, use older underpowered hardware as thin clients . . . .
[18:20:00] prologic: LTSP ?
[18:20:00] mofu: Linux Terminal Server Project
[18:20:00] GreyFoxx: thin clients saves on hardware and service costs ans it's easier to restore them to a base witha simple reboot/.
[18:20:00] prologic: ahhh
[18:20:00] prologic: must look that up :)
[18:20:00] GreyFoxx: no need to keep "fixing" them
[18:20:00] mofu: http://ltsp.org/
[18:20:00] prologic: ta
[18:20:00] mofu: yepp
[18:21:00] prologic: if it's in a working state I might implement it at work
[18:21:00] mofu: what GreyFoxx said too
[18:22:00] prologic: woot
[18:22:00] prologic: qt3 is done
[18:22:00] prologic: fianlly
[18:22:00] prologic: now to test mythtv
[18:22:00] mofu: prologic, what distro are you compiling on?
[18:23:00] prologic: CRUX/Linux :)
[18:23:00] prologic: www.crux.nu
[18:23:00] prologic: CRUX rocks :)
[18:24:00] mofu: its pretty funny. . . . CRUX, A lightweight, i686-optimized Linux distribution.
[18:24:00] mofu: CRUX 2.1 is now also available for i486 (with uClibc), i586 and x86_64.
[18:25:00] mofu: way to keep that focus . . . .
[18:25:00] prologic: heh
[18:25:00] prologic: in all honesty, crux has a fairly small footprint
[18:25:00] prologic: small enough to fit onto older machines
[18:26:00] prologic: I myself prefer not to use such old hardware anymore :)
[18:26:00] mofu: any package management or just make install?
[18:26:00] prologic: of course
[18:26:00] prologic: pkgutils (basic package management, no dep checking)
[18:26:00] prologic: then prt-get (a higher level tool that relies on pkgutils with optional depinst command)
[18:29:00] prologic: hmm
[18:29:00] prologic: what permissions does the recording dir have to have ?
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[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: Whatever use you run mythbackend as must be able to read/write to it
[18:30:00] prologic: k
[18:32:00] prologic: hmm
[18:33:00] prologic: how come the mouse cursor doesn't show up on mythtv-setup
[18:33:00] prologic: is it suppose to have one ?
[18:33:00] stoffel: no ;)
[18:34:00] prologic: hmm k
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: the mouse is not used in myth at all and by default is hidden, though you can unhide it with one of the settings
[18:34:00] prologic: even though the mouse does indeed work
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[18:34:00] prologic: and you can click on things
[18:34:00] prologic: heh
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: myth is meant to be controlled by a keyboard or remote
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: only QT dropdown widgets
[18:34:00] prologic: *nods*
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: not on any of the icons/menu items
[18:35:00] prologic: just I'm using it on my desktop for now
[18:35:00] prologic: no remote yet :)
[18:35:00] prologic: what do I put in for the Video source name: ?
[18:36:00] prologic: I'm glad it has Australia in the XML TV listeings ;)
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[18:39:00] prologic: 2005-10–30 02:37:13.494 Please wait while MythTV retrieves the list of available channels
[18:39:00] prologic: sh: tv_grab_au: command not found
[18:39:00] prologic: 2005-10–30 02:37:13.525 tv_grab_au --config-file '/home/prologic/.mythtv/.xmltv' --configure
[18:39:00] prologic: hrmmm :/
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[18:46:00] eidolon: so those looking for disk space for their my7th boxes. woot has 250gig drives for $70.
[18:46:00] ** eidolon just bought one :) **
[18:51:00] ** edward is trying to setup mythtv with dvb **
[18:51:00] edward: when i scan it doesn't find any channels
[18:52:00] edward: i have dvb working fine with tzap
[18:52:00] prologic: where do I get tv_grab_au from ?
[18:52:00] edward: xmltv
[18:53:00] eidolon: you know.
[18:53:00] eidolon: vid quality is 'eh'.
[18:53:00] ** eidolon wonders if something is misconfigured. **
[18:53:00] eidolon: i mean, i -am- watching cable tv on a 1280x1024 monitor... but...
[18:54:00] GreyFoxx: then of course it would look like crap if you are scaling a 544x480 image (or close to it) up to that high
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[18:54:00] eidolon: *grin*
[18:54:00] eidolon: see? i'm not insane! 8)
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[18:54:00] mitti: any firewire 6200 masters in here today?
[18:55:00] eidolon: this is my flatscreen 17" monitor on VGA... at some point i'll get a 'real tv' i suppose, but this is awfully nice for now.
[18:55:00] dbroo: hi all. i've just updated to the latest svn but now my client is saying that the backend is using network protocol 15 and the client only understands 19. please does anyone know what i should do? thanks
[18:55:00] mitti: I have the 6200ch code compiled, but it's giving me: Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus.
[18:56:00] GreyFoxx: dbroo: Not then you missed something cause your backend that is running is not an upgradeed one
[18:56:00] eidolon: or hasn't been restarted.
[18:56:00] dbroo: GreyFoxx – any idea what? i stopped the backend before compiling/installing and rebooted afterwards?
[18:57:00] GreyFoxx: dbroo: are you mixing handcompiled with a package or something ?
[18:57:00] ** eidolon vows to fix the 'UTC-time-offset- problem. **
[18:57:00] dbroo: GreyFoxx – not that i know. my last working set up was from svn
[18:58:00] GreyFoxx: look at the timestamp on mythbackend and see if it matches when you did the latest update
[18:58:00] dbroo: i've just done a make clean and recompiling
[18:58:00] dbroo: will do
[18:59:00] dbroo: ah... i have two versions. one in /usr/local/bin (today's) and one in /usr/bin/ (jun 28)
[19:00:00] dbroo: do i need to and --prefix=/usr to configure to overwrite the jun 28 one?
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[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: well the /usr/bin one must have either been compile with --prefix or is leftover from a package since a lot of packagers put it in there
[19:00:00] jono: hi all
[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: which means you likely have libraries in /usr/lib and in /usr/local/lib as well
[19:01:00] dbroo: GreyFoxx – uh-oh. how do i best get out of this mess?
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: either manaully remove them or if it was from a package try removing that with your packaging tools
[19:01:00] jono: I have stacks of channels, but it seems only some are listed in the web interface and the program guide – why is this?
[19:01:00] dbroo: ok, thanks GreyFoxx
[19:03:00] jono: any idea folks?
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[19:07:00] eidolon: awright. i'm in timezone hell.
[19:07:00] eidolon: system (motherboard) clock is set to my local time.
[19:07:00] eidolon: 'date' shows 3 hours earlier.
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[19:17:00] eidolon: i'm late coming into this – you guys were talking about LTSP – which i know a bunch about :)
[19:17:00] laga: LTSP? huh?
[19:18:00] eidolon: a convo about an hour ago :)
[19:18:00] laga: oh, right
[19:18:00] laga: i tried to make mythtv packages for LTSP but i gave up on it
[19:19:00] eidolon: huh. that'd be interesting. a client package for /opt/i386? that'd be cool. ltsp video termianls :)
[19:19:00] laga: right :)
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: All of my myth frontends are diskless but I've never actually used ltsp
[19:20:00] laga: diskless mythfrontends rock. sooo quiet.
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: One of these days I'll have to look at it
[19:20:00] laga: LTSP is fun to play with, but it's quite pointless for me at home
[19:20:00] eidolon: at home? yes.
[19:20:00] eidolon: i use it for conventions.
[19:20:00] laga: nice.
[19:24:00] eidolon: any magic involved running from a remote client other than altering my.cnf to allow networking connections?
[19:24:00] eidolon: the fellow is getting 'cannot connect 6to the back end server, is it running, is the IP correct?"
[19:24:00] eidolon: he was getting mysql connect errors, i fixed my.cnf, now no mysql connect errors, but the backend is not answering.
[19:25:00] laga: well
[19:25:00] laga: *ponder*
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[19:26:00] eidolon: are you pondering what i'm pondering, pinky?
[19:26:00] laga: did you put the correct ip in the settings of the frontend? and also make sure that you put the public ip of your backend-machine in mythtv-setup (on the backend of course)
[19:27:00] eidolon: where in mythtvfrontend do you set the backend target?
[19:27:00] laga: settings -> general i believe
[19:30:00] eidolon: <orion> hey :)
[19:30:00] eidolon: <orion> (i'm eido's friend that he's trying to help out)
[19:30:00] eidolon: <orion> so i'm at utilities/setup -> setup ->generaL
[19:30:00] eidolon: first page is "database configuration 1/2"
[19:31:00] eidolon: and i entered the backend's IP in "host name".
[19:31:00] laga: sounds good
[19:31:00] eidolon: i hit "ok" through the rest of setup
[19:31:00] eidolon: and the error box says:
[19:32:00] eidolon: "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"
[19:32:00] eidolon: if i flip over to the console, it says:
[19:32:00] eidolon: "connecting to backend server: localhost:6543"
[19:32:00] laga: hehe. your friend should go to this backend machine, start mythtv-setup there and set the ip address of this machine to it's public ip. not to localhost!
[19:32:00] laga: yeah, that looks like it
[19:33:00] eidolon: *nod* done
[19:37:00] eidolon: okay, gonna play with this more later. thanks!
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[19:43:00] ** logme builds with firewire support **
[19:43:00] logme: hopefully I won't need iR to change channels
[19:47:00] logme: How's the firewire recording going?
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[19:52:00] prologic: Umm guys :)
[19:52:00] prologic: http://wiki.shortcircuit.net.au/ShortCircuitWiki/MythtvError
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[19:59:00] _Nero_: prologic- do you have write access to the ringbuffer directory?
[19:59:00] _Nero_: nm..
[19:59:00] prologic: yeh yeh fixed that :)
[19:59:00] prologic: hehe
[19:59:00] prologic: named the store dir wrong :)
[19:59:00] prologic: sotre :P
[19:59:00] prologic: ok next problem
[19:59:00] prologic: no sound :/
[20:00:00] _Nero_: what kind of encorder card?
[20:00:00] prologic: PVR-150 with two RCA audio output plugs, I got a cable and created a loopback to my sound card's Line in
[20:00:00] _Nero_: ok.. you need to make sure that the msp3000 module that is being loaded, is not the one that comes with the kernel, but the one that is installed with ivtv..
[20:00:00] _Nero_: do a updatedb, then locate msp3000
[20:00:00] _Nero_: there should be two listed..
[20:01:00] prologic: it is :)
[20:01:00] prologic: I had to write an updated ivtv port
[20:01:00] prologic: wooops
[20:01:00] prologic: none is listed :)
[20:01:00] _Nero_: hold on..
[20:01:00] prologic: none is loaded
[20:01:00] _Nero_: yeah.. you need to have one loaded..
[20:01:00] simcop2387: i wish the ivtv drivers/firmware i've got did closed captioning properly, right now the VBI shows up on the last line of the video
[20:02:00] _Nero_: er... msp3400 that is.. not 3000..
[20:03:00] prologic: ahh
[20:03:00] prologic: now I get results :)
[20:03:00] _Nero_: hehe.. my bad..
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[20:03:00] prologic: /lib/modules/2.6.13/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
[20:03:00] prologic: /lib/modules/2.6.13/ivtv/msp3400.ko
[20:03:00] prologic: so load the ivtv one ?
[20:03:00] _Nero_: yup
[20:04:00] _Nero_: the other one is loaded by default..
[20:04:00] prologic: so modprobe msp3400 won't work ?
[20:04:00] prologic: insmod <path> instead ?
[20:04:00] _Nero_: I just renamed my original one to msp3400.ko.orig
[20:04:00] _Nero_: which then loads the ivtv one.
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[20:06:00] prologic: hmm
[20:06:00] prologic: still no sound
[20:06:00] prologic: # lsmod
[20:06:00] prologic: Module Size Used by
[20:06:00] prologic: msp3400 26672 0
[20:06:00] Hoxzer: somebody here has used zap2myth script?
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[20:07:00] _Nero_: prologic- is that different from what it was before?
[20:07:00] prologic: well there was no msp3400 module loaded bfore :)
[20:08:00] _Nero_: ok.. rmmod msp3400, then do an insmod on the ivtv one..
[20:08:00] prologic: umm I did
[20:08:00] _Nero_: to make sure that you are loading the ivtv version..
[20:08:00] prologic: I am using the ivtv one
[20:08:00] _Nero_: oh..
[20:08:00] prologic: via insmod
[20:08:00] prologic: $modprobe ivtv
[20:08:00] prologic: $insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ivtv/msp3400.ko
[20:08:00] _Nero_: humm..
[20:08:00] _Nero_: do you have sound in other apps?
[20:09:00] prologic: course :)
[20:09:00] _Nero_: hurm.. you might want to try #ivtv.. typically the no sound problem is the wrong msp3400 being loaded..
[20:09:00] laga: doesn't ivtv load the msp3400 automagically? try moving the old msp3400.ko to msp3400.ko.backup, run depmod -ae && rmmod ivtv && modprobe ivtv && echo foo
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[20:24:00] simcop2387: prologic: you got a pvr 150?
[20:25:00] simcop2387: prologic: is this the first time its been setup with IVTV?
[20:29:00] prologic: *nods*
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[20:41:00] prologic: hrmm
[20:42:00] prologic: # ivtvctl -Y
[20:42:00] prologic: ...
[20:42:00] prologic: Volume = 58880
[20:42:00] prologic: Mute = 1
[20:42:00] laga: prologic: wait a second.
[20:44:00] laga: try ivtvctl -y mute=0
[20:46:00] prologic: did
[20:46:00] prologic: it doesn't change the mute setting at all
[20:46:00] prologic: Volume = 65024
[20:46:00] prologic: Mute = 1
[20:46:00] laga: well, this guy says that he had the same problem and http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/pvr150/pvr150_inf.zip <- this firmware fixed it
[20:47:00] prologic: hmm ok
[20:47:00] prologic: I'll try that :)
[20:47:00] laga: :)
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[20:54:00] laga: hehehe. hoxzer joined the -users mailing list, and guess what he asked..
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[21:05:00] prologic: how do you scan for channels even ?
[21:05:00] prologic: I get nothing but static now
[21:05:00] prologic: (I presume I had manually set a chanel via v4lctl before I rebooted) :)
[21:05:00] prologic: and btw with that firmware I still get no sound, cat /dev/v4l/video24 results in nothing either
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[21:36:00] prologic: man this is driving me nuts
[21:36:00] prologic: audio :/
[21:37:00] prologic: damn it :)
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[23:20:00] mitti: Can someone please explain to me why I'd want a Hauppauge 250 or 350 over a 150? I seem to be finding conflicting information...
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[23:21:00] dev-: 350 has hardware decoder
[23:21:00] dev-: 250/150 dont
[23:21:00] dev-: 150 is newer than 250, even though its a lower number :)
[23:25:00] mitti: okay, so if the 150 is available locally at a good price I should go for it..?
[23:26:00] dev-: i cant tell you that :)
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[23:26:00] mitti: I have a Plextor ConvertX M402U that I've had a lot of trouble with and I'd like something more reliable.. this would probably be a good bet?
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[23:29:00] mitti: hey, I gotta hop in the shower.. thanks man
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[23:41:00] shaamone: oo :) what a busy chan
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[23:57:00] pookSter: Evening everyone
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