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[00:25:00] phoner: for the pvr-250 cards, does mythtv even use the encoding profile settings?
[00:25:00] Chutt: of course it does.
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[00:27:00] phoner: on the mailing list there was a post saying it only used the framesize
[00:27:00] phoner: although that was dated pretty old, was wondering if that feature is added now
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[00:41:00] Black_Jack: Hi @ all
[00:41:00] Mrgoose: heh
[00:42:00] Black_Jack: I need some help :-(
[00:42:00] Mrgoose: sup
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: I'm trying to get MythTV to work, no luck up to now. Presently I'm hanging on the following error:
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: 2005-10–21 00:20:46.822 Using XV port 270
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: Major opcode: 141
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: Minor opcode: 14
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: Resource id: 0x1d7
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: 2005-10–21 00:20:46.845 Couldn't get the color key color, and we need it.
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: You likely won't get any video.
[00:43:00] kormoc: Black_Jack, please use http://pastebin.ca for the future
[00:43:00] Black_Jack: Oops, sorry.
[00:44:00] kormoc: as for that, that's not a issue most of the time I beleive
[00:44:00] kormoc: I get that on mine and everything is a okay
[00:44:00] Mrgoose: kormoc: you use nuvexport? Im tryin to use it with the transcode flag to encode some stuff to xvid
[00:44:00] Black_Jack: Ah, OK. but up to now I never got a picture of MythTV.
[00:44:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, indeed I Do, even with the transcode flag
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: and i get this error
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: Transcode had critical errors:
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: [transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed
[00:45:00] kormoc: Black_Jack, does your tv card work?
[00:45:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, gentoo?
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: when it goes to the part where it starts tryin to transcode
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: nah slackware
[00:45:00] Black_Jack: I hope so. I just bought it some days ago.
[00:45:00] Black_Jack: How can I check?
[00:45:00] kormoc: Black_Jack, what is it?
[00:45:00] Black_Jack: WinTV PVR 150
[00:45:00] Black_Jack: PAL
[00:45:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, I'd say to recompile/reinstall transcode, cause the plugins are not installed right
[00:46:00] kormoc: Black_Jack, have mplayer?
[00:46:00] Black_Jack: I have.
[00:46:00] kormoc: mplayer /dev/video0
[00:46:00] kormoc: see if you get a picture
[00:46:00] Black_Jack: I'll try ...
[00:46:00] Mrgoose: how do you install transcode with the plugins
[00:46:00] Mrgoose: i neve rsaw that option
[00:47:00] kormoc: plugins come with transcode
[00:47:00] Black_Jack: I get something, but you can't really call it a picture, rather noise.
[00:47:00] Mrgoose: so just installing it should take care of it?
[00:47:00] Mrgoose: Black_Jack: you didn't get a picture then
[00:47:00] Black_Jack: OK. Good to know ...
[00:47:00] Mrgoose: uhh try cat /dev/video0
[00:47:00] kormoc: Black_Jack, yeah, you'll need to fix that up
[00:47:00] Mrgoose: uhh try cat /dev/video0 < /mnt/test.mpg
[00:47:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, to what?
[00:47:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, and that won't make a lick of difference :P
[00:47:00] Mrgoose: true
[00:48:00] Mrgoose: doing the same thing you just did really heh
[00:48:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, as well as taking up ton's of hard drive space while waiting for you to crtl+c it :P
[00:48:00] Mrgoose: so kormoc, just installing transcode should install the plugins as well?
[00:48:00] kormoc: yup
[00:49:00] Mrgoose: i will try to compile from source then
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[00:49:00] SarahEmm: hihi
[00:49:00] Mrgoose: oh i know what happened, i couldn't get ffmpeg installed right and transcode needs some ffmpeg libraries
[00:49:00] kormoc: mornin' SarahEmm. Long time no see
[00:49:00] Mrgoose: but i could never get ffmpeg to work
[00:50:00] Black_Jack: OK, I really only get static ...
[00:50:00] SarahEmm: hihi kormoc
[00:50:00] SarahEmm: yeah, not been around much. no time for coding on myth
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[00:54:00] Black_Jack: OK, thanks for helping.
[00:54:00] Black_Jack: Goodbye.
[00:54:00]
[00:57:00] AppleBoy: this sucks, mythtv won't work with my HD3000 :(
[00:58:00] AppleBoy: tvtime does though
[00:58:00] SarahEmm: what's the issue with myth?
[00:59:00] AppleBoy: won't connect to my card or something
[01:00:00] SarahEmm: err... that's a little vague :) error message?
[01:01:00] AppleBoy: 2005-10–20 16:01:04.339 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping.
[01:01:00] SarahEmm: ahhh.
[01:01:00] AppleBoy: sorry, had to start it all up to get the error
[01:01:00] jnc: SarahEmm: what is classiccmp?
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: that was on the backend
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: on the frontend:
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: 2005-10–20 16:01:36.386 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: 2005-10–20 16:01:36.387 Decoder not alive, and trying to play..
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: 2005-10–20 16:01:56.388 ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[01:02:00] SarahEmm: jnc: classic computing
[01:02:00] AppleBoy: actually, I'll paste full logs to pastebin
[01:02:00] SarahEmm: jnc: older computers :)
[01:03:00] SarahEmm: AppleBoy: hrm... i'm not that familiar with HD stuff on myth, sorry =/
[01:03:00] jnc: SarahEmm: oooh! i like that
[01:03:00] SarahEmm: there's a few people having the same issue in google, but not much i can see as solutions
[01:03:00] AppleBoy: SarahEmm: I'm just trying to show analog
[01:04:00] AppleBoy: I can get analog with tvtime, I don't see why I can't with mythtv
[01:04:00] SarahEmm: *nods* i see other ppl reporting the same thing
[01:05:00] SarahEmm: not sure how to fix it tho =/ i use a plain v4l card
[01:05:00] AppleBoy: frontend problem: http://pastebin.com/400378
[01:05:00] AppleBoy: err, log
[01:05:00] AppleBoy: backend log: http://pastebin.com/400380
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[01:06:00] AppleBoy: hello DMiGWhL
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[01:06:00] SarahEmm: err.. there are a few errors there AppleBoy
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[01:06:00] AppleBoy: SarahEmm: any ideas on how to fix them?
[01:06:00] SarahEmm: first off, there *is* an input connected to the card, no?
[01:06:00] AppleBoy: yes
[01:06:00] AppleBoy: like I said, I can get a signal when using tvtime
[01:06:00] AppleBoy: didn't have to do any setup
[01:07:00] PaulWay: Have you gone through the full mythtvsetup 5 steps, AppleBoy?
[01:07:00] AppleBoy: yes
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[01:09:00] SarahEmm: AppleBoy: google for each error :)
[01:09:00] SarahEmm: there's quite a few hits for each on google
[01:10:00] jnc: AppleBoy: for your errors, you WILL google!
[01:10:00] jnc: such is the word of goog
[01:10:00] PaulWay: IR question: what modules should I have loaded for an i2c IR adaptor (e.g. one plugged into an AVerMedia DVB card)?
[01:11:00] AppleBoy: wait, the backend does need to be running for everything to work, right?
[01:12:00] PaulWay: Absolutely.
[01:12:00] PaulWay: Frontend connects to backend, backend connects to card, TV is displayed.
[01:12:00] Mrgoose: is there anyway you can delete a file through its symlink?
[01:15:00] kormoc: don't think so
[01:17:00] PaulWay: In shell? There is, but you have to do something like rm `linkof $file`
[01:17:00] PaulWay: linkof is a placeholder I made up, there.
[01:18:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[01:19:00] PaulWay: If you really want to be ugly, do rm `file $file | cut -d \` -f 2 | cut -d \' -f 1`
[01:19:00] PaulWay: Which will remove the file that the symlink links to, but not the symlink.
[01:20:00] AppleBoy: thought so
[01:20:00] Mrgoose: whats the easiest way to bulk delete recordings?
[01:21:00] kormoc: rm -rf
[01:21:00] Mrgoose: ha
[01:21:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay
[01:21:00] AppleBoy: lol
[01:21:00] jnc: AppleBoy: don't put your ringbuffer on an NFS mount, stoopid
[01:21:00] kormoc: Yeah! Do what I do and put it on a samba mount!
[01:22:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay: can i replace $file with a wildcard like Mar*
[01:23:00] AppleBoy: jnc: it's not an NFS mount
[01:23:00] AppleBoy: why it's calling it that, I don't know
[01:25:00] PaulWay: Mrgoose: Not if it matches more than one file.
[01:25:00] AppleBoy: what package is dtvscan part of in gentoo?
[01:26:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay: cause i get errors
[01:26:00] PaulWay: If it does, do this: for $x in $wildcard; do rm `file $x | cut -d \` -f 2 | cut -d \' -f 1`; done
[01:26:00] AppleBoy: or is there something in mythtv to do a channel scan?
[01:26:00] xris: AppleBoy: for dvb?
[01:26:00] xris: it's in mythtv-setup
[01:27:00] PaulWay: Keep in mind that the file | cut | cut is exceptionally ugly and liable to break depending on distro, phase of moon, and amount of alcohol consumed.
[01:28:00] PaulWay: AppleBoy: Channel scanning only works on DVB cards, AFAIK.
[01:28:00] AppleBoy: isn't the HD3000 a dvb card?
[01:28:00] xris: AppleBoy: sort of... and yes, like I said, it's in mythtv-setup
[01:28:00] PaulWay: AppleBoy: You still have to know the transport frequency.
[01:28:00] AppleBoy: transport freq??
[01:29:00] PaulWay: The transport is the start of the 5MHz band in which all the digital data is transmitted for that station.
[01:29:00] PaulWay: Each one can contain multiple channels, HDTV channels, radio, EPG, all sorts of stuff.
[01:29:00] PaulWay: You put in the transport frequency, scan it for channels, and bingo.
[01:30:00] xris: PaulWay- really? my air2pc scanned just fine
[01:30:00] AppleBoy: any idea on how to find that out for cox?
[01:30:00] jnc: WHO GOT BINGO? BRING UP YOUR CARD
[01:30:00] ** xris slaps jnc with a trout **
[01:30:00] PaulWay: xris: OK, that's the way I had to get it working in Australia. Admittedly, at that point I was on the end of 30 metres of dodgy coax on an aerial that was held together by bird crap and rust, apparently.
[01:31:00] xris: it's still pretty messy to hook dvb up to the datadirect feed, though.
[01:31:00] xris: had to scan, then run a bunch of stuff manually to get them linked.
[01:31:00] xris: it's supposedly better in svn now, though
[01:31:00] PaulWay: There's a 2MHz gap between each channel (7MHz between transports)
[01:32:00] xris: PaulWay: that's for dvb, though, not atsc
[01:32:00] xris: well, maybe it is.
[01:32:00] PaulWay: one moment, afk
[01:34:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay: is there a prettier way to do it?
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[01:37:00] alainm_: would anyone have a copy of they modprobe.conf for a 350?
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[01:39:00] jnc: good question, i don't know the answer
[01:41:00] PaulWay: Mrgoose: I'm trying to find one, believe me!
[01:41:00] Mrgoose: heh
[01:41:00] Mrgoose: i'll just create hard links form now on
[01:42:00] alainm_: one what?
[01:43:00] Mrgoose: theres a program called mythlink that creates symbolic links to the .nuv files
[01:43:00] PaulWay: I don't actually see the point of mythlink, myself.
[01:43:00] Mrgoose: i do
[01:43:00] Mrgoose: makes it easier for me to identify files for transcode
[01:44:00] Mrgoose: and identify files to play across samba
[01:44:00] Mrgoose: but how can i delete a recording from mythdatabase and the real file too
[01:44:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, in mythtv itself?
[01:44:00] PaulWay: Use the front end?
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[01:45:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay: i guess :(
[01:47:00] Mrgoose: sigh the problem is i recorded mad shows like 100 joints at 480x480 and to get them to dvd i gotta rencode
[01:47:00] Mrgoose: and i dont have time to do all of that
[01:48:00] PaulWay: It would be relatively easy to write a Perl program to select the show and delete its entry in the database and the associated file.
[01:49:00] PaulWay: So what are you wanting to do, Mrgoose – join them all together?
[01:49:00] Mrgoose: PaulWay nah just put them on dvd
[01:50:00] PaulWay: I think there's a MythBurner plugin that allows you to select shows from the front end and then that will transcode them and burn them onto a DVD, making them into a nice menu system etc. as well.
[01:51:00] Mrgoose: yea
[01:52:00] Mrgoose: but since they are 480x480 you gotta rencode them to 720x480 which takes about 1.5 hrs
[01:52:00] PaulWay: Well, do it overnight :-)
[01:52:00] Mrgoose: yea
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[01:52:00] PaulWay: Be back in a tick – gotta get breakfast.
[01:52:00] Mrgoose: but its 100 shoes
[01:52:00] Mrgoose: shows
[01:52:00] Mrgoose: i'd rather delete them and start fresh heh
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[01:56:00] PaulWay: Each show takes 1.5 hours?
[01:56:00] PaulWay: What are you running on?
[01:56:00] Mrgoose: xp 1700+
[01:56:00] PaulWay: Ah.
[01:56:00] Mrgoose: what you using?
[01:57:00] PaulWay: I have one of those. When I realised that I was doing a bunch of transcoding I put the XP3000+ in my Myth machine.
[01:57:00] Mrgoose: heh
[01:57:00] Mrgoose: i wish i could afford that
[01:57:00] PaulWay: Yeah, I know that feeling too...
[02:00:00] jnc: i'd be happy to sell someone an XP2500+ or XP2600+
[02:00:00] jnc: with mobo
[02:02:00] PaulWay: Going 64-bit, jnc?
[02:03:00] jnc: gone 64-bit, shelling leftovers
[02:04:00] PaulWay: I want to get a dual-core dual Opteron machine for work, but they're still insanely expensive for what you get.
[02:04:00] jnc: ew
[02:04:00] jnc: i'm not convinced that the security problem is properly addressed
[02:05:00] PaulWay: Security problem?
[02:05:00] Mrgoose: wow this is taking a long time to delete
[02:05:00] Mrgoose: i wish i had that perl script
[02:05:00] jnc: PaulWay: okay, opterons have the memory controller built into the core right?
[02:05:00] PaulWay: Yep
[02:06:00] jnc: ...and each core on a dual core chip shares the same memory controller...
[02:06:00] PaulWay: Yep
[02:06:00] jnc: i think you would understand where i'm going with this
[02:06:00] PaulWay: This is all 20 years ago.
[02:06:00] PaulWay: There was a guy who wrote a program back in the 1980s that could break security by signalling with page faults.
[02:07:00] PaulWay: One of the fundamental aspects of personal computing is that you have to trust the code that's running on your machine.
[02:08:00] PaulWay: If you're running untrusted code, you're already in danger from so many breaches it's not funny.
[02:09:00] PaulWay: This doesn't change whether you're running a dual-processor machine, a dual-core machine, a Hyperthreading Intel processor, or whatever.
[02:09:00] PaulWay: Heh – do you trust the ROMs on the cards on your PCI bus? On your disk drives? In your modem?
[02:10:00] PaulWay: Besides, do you trust the memory controller on an opteron or the memory controller on the front side bus? You have to trust one of them...
[02:11:00] PaulWay: Anyway, enough security spam from me, on with the MythTV problems!
[02:13:00] PaulWay: Gotta go to work: see you soon!
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[02:14:00] redline-: any lirc gurus on?
[02:14:00] redline-: or anyone know if there is a lirc channel?
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[02:41:00] pyrotech: does anyone have a pvr500?
[02:41:00] SarahEmm: yep
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[02:41:00] SarahEmm: yep
[02:41:00] SarahEmm: oops
[02:42:00] pyrotech: did you have any troubles setting it up, ivtv drivers, etc..
[02:42:00] JayRCz: does anyone know of a program that can rip the audio stream from a .nuv file created with mythtv and convert it to a .mp3 file?
[02:43:00] SarahEmm: pyrotech: my main problem was that i forgot to connect the cable ;)
[02:43:00] SarahEmm: what issue are you having pyrotech?
[02:43:00] pyrotech: none yet, im considering purchasing one for my dvr
[02:45:00] pyrotech: would anyone recommend like an sb live sound card or to use the onboard sound?
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: ahh okay
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: err
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: for what?
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: playback?
[02:47:00] pyrotech: yes
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[02:49:00] redline-: pvr 500 is fine just make sure you delete eeprom.ko after compiling v4l
[02:49:00] redline-: then compile and install ivtv
[02:53:00] pyrotech: is the edition with the remote control worth getting or is it better to get a separated remote
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[03:05:00] redline-: seperate remote i think but not sure I am having problems now
[03:05:00] redline-: cant get lircd to work correctly
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[03:21:00] Lightning: evening
[03:21:00] SarahEmm: hihi
[03:22:00] mchou: haha!! Finally car manufacturers in US are decreasing production of SUVs
[03:23:00] xris: mchou: yeah, but for the wrong reasons
[03:23:00] mchou: xris: wrong reasons?
[03:23:00] xris: financial
[03:23:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, bout damn time
[03:23:00] xris: of course, I guess that means people are buying fewer SUV's, which is a good thing
[03:23:00] mchou: Nobody buys them. That's good enough for me :)
[03:24:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, there is a reason nascar is not done with SUV's
[03:24:00] SlicerDicer-: hi xris
[03:24:00] xris: mchou: actually, some dealers won't even buy them (back).
[03:25:00] mchou: NPR just reported that Toyota will sell more hybrids this year than Ford projected for their production till the end of the decase :)
[03:25:00] mchou: decade*
[03:25:00] xris: haha
[03:25:00] xris: good
[03:25:00] mchou: dumbass Ford
[03:25:00] xris: I'll stick with used cars for now.
[03:26:00] xris: less environmental impact (meaning, didn't have to make a whole new car)
[03:26:00] mchou: hehe, but older cars may be less efficient than a new car :)
[03:27:00] xris: my 87 camry gets 30mpg, and cost me $500
[03:27:00] mchou: nice
[03:27:00] xris: well, gets less than that in actuality since my commute is only 4 miles.. my dad's prius only gets 20mpg at that distance.
[03:27:00] mchou: haha!
[03:27:00] xris: (engine can't heat up enough)
[03:28:00] mchou: xris: who dont you ride a bike or something :)
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, the sad thing is the Diesel TDI has better mpg ratings than hybrids
[03:29:00] xris: mchou: think about where I live.
[03:29:00] mchou: xris: lol, a lil rain never hurt anybody
[03:29:00] xris: plus it's a REALLY busy street in a fairly industrial area of town with no bike lanes.
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: but as the stigma of diesel being loud and noisy is around nobody will buy them like the idiots they are
[03:30:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: hybrids aren't about mpg, they're about emissions.
[03:30:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nah, I think that might be about to change
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: I doubt it mchou
[03:30:00] xris: mchou: I've actually been pondering getting a little electric scooter.
[03:31:00] mchou: What the relative price of diesel these days? still more expense than regular gas, no?
[03:31:00] SlicerDicer-: when you got a A8 that gets 40mpg on a V8 that could pull a tree out of the ground due to torque I think its pretty damn impressive and the reason they are not in USA is the fuel has to be so refined and clean that it does not exist in USA right now
[03:31:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, read about it
[03:31:00] mchou: xris: that might work too.
[03:32:00] SlicerDicer-: that diesel is far more clean than any hybrid could think about being as any of the carbons that are harmful that will be released fall to the ground and become the same as decaying plant matter in theory
[03:32:00] xris: mchou: it's just over the cost of basic, and just under the cost of plus
[03:32:00] xris: about $3/gal to make your own if you have room to do biodiesel
[03:32:00] xris: I think in seattle, biodiesel is going for around $3.40/gal.. kormoc would know more, he's been researching it.
[03:33:00] xris: wait, that's a lot more than regular gas
[03:33:00] mchou: I'm not convinced biodiesel is cleaner
[03:33:00] jnc: yes, in chicago, IL usa the fuel for diesel is about 3.50- usd per gallon
[03:33:00] jnc: and gasoline fuel is well over 3- / gallon
[03:33:00] mchou: formaldehyde is by-product
[03:33:00] xris: mchou: slightly cleaner, and less reliance on petroleum.
[03:33:00] jnc: mchou: do you know how many people smoke commercially-produced cigarettes?
[03:34:00] xris: jnc: it's around $2.80/gal here
[03:34:00] jnc: those produce formaldehyde as a byproduct
[03:34:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, yeah well think about it 20mpg on gasoline 40 diesel weigh the costs? weigh the longevity of the car? weigh the cost of operation? just on the A8 if your talking a A3 that gets about 80mpg well then do the math on that one
[03:34:00] jnc: xris: where i live is further north, and it is about 2.60 for gasoline
[03:34:00] mchou: jnc: lol, I dont like smokers either :)
[03:34:00] jnc: not too horrible. for a while it was well over 3-
[03:34:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: not disagreeing. (bio)diesel is better. vegetable-oil even more so (though it requires engine conversion)
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[03:35:00] Dark`-`: hey :)
[03:35:00] jnc: hi
[03:35:00] mchou: that's a whole new definition of "lard-ass"
[03:35:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, SVO??? that requires such a warm engine to work lol
[03:35:00] ** xris thinks they should make the drivers pass the same emissions tests the cars do. **
[03:36:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, dont even get me started on bio-diesel :) I know way more than you think and the locations of every place to get it from here to spokane :)
[03:36:00] Dark`-`: in mythsetup im in the capture card setup and i guess im a bit confused now, if i have a WinTV-Go Plus do I jsut pick "Standard V4L Capture Card", or the mpeg-2 encoder card (pvr-250, pvr-350) ?
[03:36:00] ** SlicerDicer- is a big supporter of bio-diesel **
[03:36:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: thus "engine modifications"... add a heater, or make a car with a valve switch.. run on normal fuel for 5 minutes or so to heat it up, and 5 or so at the end to flush out the oil so the hydrogenated oil doesn't clog the fuel lines when it solidifies.
[03:37:00] SlicerDicer-: exactly xris just like doing pure ethanol it would be a coldstart type thing at 78deg vs gasoline can be fired much lower temps
[03:37:00] xris: Dark`-`: well, do you have a pvr-x50?
[03:37:00] SlicerDicer-: so yeah they both have to be heated in order to fire or use gasoline to heat it up "engine that is"
[03:37:00] Dark`-`: no but its the same company, didnt know if mine and those were related
[03:37:00] Dark`-`: same chipset i thought
[03:37:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: gas and svo are different engines. need diesel for svo
[03:38:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, of course
[03:38:00] xris: Dark`-`: no, completely different cards.
[03:38:00] mchou: Dark`-`: same company as what?
[03:38:00] Dark`-`: ok
[03:38:00] xris: mchou: both hauppauge
[03:38:00] Dark`-`: hauppauge
[03:38:00] mchou: Dark`-`: ok
[03:38:00] SarahEmm: use the v4l option
[03:38:00] Dark`-`: thx
[03:38:00] SarahEmm: (woo! more v4l people! ;) )
[03:38:00] SlicerDicer-: I was drawing a comparison that SVO and pure Ethanol require both the same ideas in starting they are a pain in the ass to start without assistance
[03:38:00] jnc: how much would it cost to convert a full truck to be svo or some sort of readily available fuel in a suburban area
[03:38:00] jnc: i'm not interested in a little dinky car
[03:38:00] jnc: i want a utility vehicle
[03:38:00] mchou: jnc: lol
[03:39:00] mchou: jnc: you one of rednecks that drive SUVs :)
[03:39:00] jnc: say, an '87 suburban chassis
[03:39:00] jnc: no
[03:39:00] xris: jnc: it's pretty easy to make your own biodiesel
[03:39:00] SlicerDicer-: jnc, well I am betting your truck is gasoline and more than likely to add the compression that would be done by SVO would blow your block apart
[03:39:00] jnc: i drive a saturn l200
[03:39:00] jnc: my roommate is whom the question is for
[03:39:00] xris: but SlicerDicer- is right. it *must* already be a diesel engine.
[03:39:00] jnc: from, rather
[03:39:00] jnc: his 1987 suburban gets about 5mpg gasoline
[03:40:00] jnc: so, we're talking about sourcing an engine to handle it, that would mount to an '87 chevy frame
[03:40:00] xris: jnc: then tell him to get a better car (even a newer suv) and make up the cost in gas savings.
[03:40:00] jnc: you're still paying for fuel though
[03:40:00] xris: jnc: tons of stuff on the web about converting diesel engines to SVO or SVO-diesel hybrids.
[03:40:00] jnc: we're down the block from a freakin' mcdonalds
[03:40:00] SlicerDicer-: jnc, a gasoline engine cannot withstand the pressures that a diesel can and thats why most gasoline to diesel result in a cracked block its not going to work
[03:40:00] jnc: right
[03:41:00] xris: you can often get the oil from fast food restaurants who normally have to pay to have it disposed of.
[03:41:00] mchou: jnc: lol, McD recycles their oil :)
[03:41:00] jnc: i'm talking about putting a diesel engine in there
[03:41:00] jnc: oh?
[03:41:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, bingo!
[03:41:00] jnc: McD != fuel source then huh
[03:41:00] mchou: jnc: right :)
[03:41:00] xris: jnc: usually better off with the "small local diner" types
[03:41:00] SlicerDicer-: jnc, then you use ethanol or methanol to make the bio-diesel
[03:41:00] SlicerDicer-: its pretty simple
[03:41:00] jnc: we've got plenty of local diner type places too
[03:41:00] jnc: hm
[03:42:00] jnc: what about an engine?
[03:42:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: oil + lye (I think) == biodiesel + glycerine
[03:42:00] SlicerDicer-: well thats the main stuff you need is WVO or SVO and ethanol or methanol
[03:42:00] jnc: i don't know much about diesel except that they are compression based
[03:42:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, let me find you a link to the recipie I have
[03:42:00] mchou: xris: soap :)
[03:42:00] xris: but you may know more than me about that.
[03:42:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, hehe
[03:42:00] xris: anyway, it's a really easy chemical reaction. just mix it up and siphon it off.
[03:42:00] xris: then sell the glycerine for making soap.
[03:42:00] jnc: :)
[03:42:00] jnc: nice
[03:43:00] mchou: nah, just get it from procter & gamble
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: Waste vegetable oil (WVO) — used cooking oil, fryer grease, animal fats, lard
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: Methanol (CH3OH) — 99%+ pure
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: Sodium hydroxide (NaOH — caustic soda, lye) — must be dry
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry for spam
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: ethanol will work too
[03:43:00] xris: ok, I knew lye was in there somewhere. heh.
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: so we were both right xris :)
[03:44:00] xris: kormoc has plans to make his own biodiesel
[03:44:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, may I message you?
[03:44:00] Chutt: drive around smelling like mcdonalds
[03:44:00] mchou: haha!!
[03:44:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[03:44:00] jnc: hey with the rising diesel prices, is diesel more expensive to run at the pump?
[03:44:00] jnc: in the USA
[03:44:00] mchou: french frys!
[03:44:00] SlicerDicer-: jnc, you can make your own bio-diesel for about 23cents a gallon
[03:44:00] Chutt: diesel was about 50c more than premium at the gas station tonight
[03:44:00] xris: Chutt: apparently biodiesel drivers tend to gain weight because they're always smelling fries and getting hungry.
[03:45:00] mchou: haha!!
[03:45:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: kormoc priced it at $3/gal
[03:45:00] SlicerDicer-: now given if your doing it that you are suposto pay a tax on it if your not making it on a farm for personal consumption so that is iffy
[03:45:00] xris: supply of waste oil is not guaranteed
[03:45:00] jnc: Chutt: right, my question is related to fuel consumption versus distance travelled and the cost per mile
[03:45:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, depends on how you do it
[03:45:00] jnc: i.e. is Diesel cheaper to run than gas
[03:45:00] Chutt: heh
[03:45:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, where I live WVO is easy to comeby
[03:45:00] kormoc: yeah, that's for making it myself 100%, no freebies.
[03:45:00] jnc: even with the rate hike
[03:45:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, haha
[03:46:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: that's cool
[03:46:00] red_fox: jnc, really depends on mpg
[03:46:00] red_fox: that swings a lot with different vehicles
[03:46:00] jnc: okay
[03:46:00] jnc: http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html
[03:46:00] red_fox: my friend's diesel jetta gets around 50 mpg
[03:46:00] jnc: this family, did they screw themselves by converting from gasoline engine to diesel engine?
[03:46:00] red_fox: at the high end
[03:47:00] red_fox: well they get 35 mpg now, doesn't say what they got before
[03:48:00] xris: conversion is usually expensive... better to just trade it in for a better car.
[03:48:00] xris: unless you NEED the SUV (most people don't)
[03:48:00] red_fox: yeah that is a good point
[03:48:00] jnc: hm
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[03:49:00] red_fox: maybe if you had a friend trying to get rid of a diesel engine... ;-)
[03:49:00] jnc: worldly speaking, what is better, diesel or gasoline engines
[03:49:00] jnc: with today's technology
[03:49:00] xris: friend of mine has a jeep. he uses it when he goes snowboarding, and every other week to get groceries. won't sell it because it's more environmental impact to get another car.
[03:49:00] jnc: :)
[03:49:00] xris: jnc: depends on what you're burning in the diessel
[03:49:00] jnc: good question
[03:50:00] jnc: which fuel is long-term viable for 50 years?
[03:50:00] xris: petrol diesel produces a large quantity of nasty particulate polutants, gasoline produces airborn ones.
[03:50:00] xris: jnc: they're both petrol-based, so neither.
[03:50:00] jnc: oh
[03:50:00] xris: diesl only because it was designed to burn stuff other than petrol-based fuels.
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[03:50:00] jnc: i thought you could run a gasoline engine off of H2
[03:51:00] xris: diesel engine can burn kerosene, petrol diesel, biodiesel, vegetable oil, etc, etc.
[03:51:00] xris: jnc: never heard that one.
[03:51:00] jnc: i'm pretty sure about that being possible
[03:52:00] red_fox: my roommate's dad has ran a few tanks with vegetable oil... cool stuff
[03:52:00] xris: red_fox: lot of work to convert the engine, though.
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[03:52:00] red_fox: I think he did 90% vegetable oil, 10% gas
[03:52:00] xris: well, heaters are cheap/easy, I guess.
[03:53:00] xris: jnc: diesel is also safer... it doesn't produce explosive fumes like gas does
[03:53:00] red_fox: well, he got by without heaters by doing it during summer
[03:53:00] mchou: bah, heaters waste energy too.
[03:53:00] red_fox: he would have to make modifications for winter use
[03:53:00] xris: red_fox: hydrogenated vegetable oil is solid even at summer temps
[03:53:00] xris: he probably got lucky
[03:53:00] jnc: i'm convinced, i guess
[03:54:00] red_fox: hrm I'm not sure... I think it was standard oil for deep fat frying
[03:54:00] jnc: what to do about cold weather? i do live in Chicago, where it gets pretty freaking cold sometimes
[03:54:00] jnc: say, -40degF worst case
[03:54:00] mchou: jnc: take the elevated? :)
[03:54:00] xris: jnc: if you live in chicago, don't drive.
[03:54:00] jnc: not concerned at that point about the car running, more concerned about things exploding or breaking
[03:54:00] jnc: i'm in the burbs actually
[03:55:00] jnc: still get the chicago weather
[03:55:00] xris: ah. was going to say, the hyde park coop delivers for $5. totally worth it.  :)
[03:55:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: anyone have a problem with a bt tuner that has terrble sound quality
[03:55:00] xris: Pandemic-SuperVa: mane bttv tuners suck.
[03:55:00] xris: many, even
[03:55:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: it works fine in windows
[03:55:00] xris: jnc: diesel does fine in cold.
[03:56:00] jnc: Pandemic-SuperVa: yes, sound quality is awful on my ATI TV Wonder VE cards
[03:56:00] jnc: xris: okie
[03:56:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: that sucks, sounds fine when I use it in windows.....
[03:56:00] jnc: now, i will need to find a nice big chasis to work with
[03:56:00] xris: jnc: it's only with SVO (straight vegetable oil) that you end up with weird setups like heaters on the fuel lines, etc.
[03:56:00] xris: jnc: chevy does make diesel trucks
[03:57:00] red_fox: hey have you guys had any success with burning to DVDs?
[03:57:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: is there anyway I can help with the sound quality ?
[03:57:00] red_fox: I'm thinking about giving it a whirl
[03:57:00] xris: Pandemic-SuperVa: how's itsound when you use xawtv?
[03:57:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: Well, I don't have sound when I run xawtv
[03:57:00] xris: red_fox: nuvexport, and beyond that I don't know.
[03:57:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: using btaudio
[03:57:00] xris: Pandemic-SuperVa: ahh
[03:57:00] xris: no clue, then
[03:58:00] red_fox: yeah I've been playing around with it
[03:58:00] red_fox: it is a great tool, btw ;-)
[03:58:00] Pandemic-SuperVa: if I 'sox -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp' it has terrible sound too
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[04:00:00] red_fox: when I run nuvexport-dvd, the sound isn't matching up with the video
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[04:11:00] spartacus: Hi. Newbie here. Could anyone give me a hint about live-tv playback? I finally got the bt878 tuner figured out (tuner=...) but playback is choppy. It seems that the disc is being accessed when it "chops" (DMA is on, but it's a slow system) so I wonder, does MythTV buffer the video stream as a matter of course?
[04:12:00] PaulWay[w]: I believe so, spartacus.
[04:13:00] PaulWay[w]: Either in the ring buffer on Live TV, or the frontend buffers data from the backend.
[04:13:00] Krazylegz: Well, both I think.
[04:13:00] PaulWay[w]: Well, yes, both, that's what I meant...
[04:13:00] spartacus: Hmm, OK. it's on a 7200/80GB disc that hdparm says can pull 24–27 MB/s, but as it's on a Celery 700 with 512MB I guess my options are to a) use something faster, or b) try to optimise it to heck
[04:13:00] Dark`-`: what do u US users use?
[04:13:00] PaulWay[w]: I'm surprised that it's choppy when accessing disk, though – what does top tell you?
[04:13:00] Dark`-`: LxM? DataDirect? Zap2Ip?
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: err
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: datadirect is zap2it
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: i use zap2it datadirect
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: oh those are the same?
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: nice
[04:14:00] spartacus: PaulWay[w], i'm not in front of it right now, but iirc, backend was using most of the cpu.
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: i already had zap2ip, didnt realize it was the same one
[04:14:00] SarahEmm: i wasn't even aware there was another option. i dunno what LxM is but i don't use it :)
[04:14:00] Dark`-`: lol ok
[04:14:00] Krazylegz: LxM is something that xris and a few others were pushing a while back.
[04:14:00] spartacus: PaulWay[w], or was it front end? damn.
[04:14:00] Krazylegz: They're somewhat stagnant now.
[04:15:00] Krazylegz: http://lxmsuite.com/
[04:15:00] Dark`-`: ok
[04:15:00] spartacus: PaulWay[w], I'll have to come back sometime with the box in front me.
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[04:15:00] emes: anyone know if nuvexport will be able to export an ipod playable format?
[04:15:00] PaulWay[w]: spartacus: Message me or my home nick (PaulWay).
[04:16:00] PaulWay[w]: emes: I think that depends on the ipod more than nuvexport...
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[04:16:00] emes: PaulWay[w]: what do you mean depends?
[04:16:00] red_fox: emes, I think the ipod will use quicktime format
[04:16:00] spartacus: PaulWay[w], cheers. i'm away for the long weekend soon, so next week then.
[04:17:00] red_fox: so we can't export to that... at least for now
[04:18:00] emes: PaulWay[w]: it can play a .mp4
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[04:20:00] smoke_: anyone here running mythtv on a epia mini-itx motherboard?
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[04:27:00] Goose-Npa: are there any scripts that will delete a recording from the mythdatabase?
[04:28:00] Goose-Npa: like if myth realizes a file isn't there why doesn't it delete the entry from the database?
[04:29:00] SarahEmm: heh
[04:30:00] mishehu: Goose-Npa: touch the file, see if you can trick it.
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: ran into the thing where the file isn't there so it won't let you delete the program?
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: you can trick it.
[04:30:00] mishehu: hmm
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: been there. :)
[04:30:00] mishehu: I have this little serial-connected diode for putting on my cablebox, and I don't remember what it was called in order to find out how to configure lirc for it...
[04:31:00] mishehu: all I remember is that it needed lirc_serial
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[04:33:00] docelm0: I have looked around however cant seem to find one interesting thing.. Does myth record DVD's?
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[04:35:00] Goose-Npa: how you copy and paste in a terminal window?
[04:35:00] Krazylegz: I may have to get me one of these new-fangled HDTV sets and an HDTV input card for the Mythbox. Oh, and HDTV service.
[04:36:00] Krazylegz: Goose-Npa: Middle-click?
[04:36:00] Dagmar: it's that last one that gets a little pricey
[04:36:00] Goose-Npa: i have no middle click
[04:36:00] Krazylegz: Then both left and right buttons at the same time.
[04:37:00] Goose-Npa: is there anyway to view the mythtv database and delete entries manually?
[04:37:00] SarahEmm: Goose-Npa: it's just mysql. use mysql :)
[04:37:00] Goose-Npa: ahh
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[04:37:00] Goose-Npa: i dont know mysql
[04:37:00] Goose-Npa: i would probably fuck up everything
[04:41:00] Dark`-`: any reason why the mythbackend runs like 100 times?
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[04:42:00] Dark`-`: im exaturaing, but it has at least 15–20
[04:42:00] smoke_: anyone running an epia mini-itx motherboard and experiencing choppy playback?
[04:42:00] xris: Dark`-`: what are you talking about? I have one.
[04:43:00] Dark`-`: when i start mythbackend
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[04:43:00] Dark`-`: it has 14 processes right now
[04:43:00] xris: ps axf | grep mythbackend
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[04:43:00] Dark`-`: yep
[04:43:00] xris: then something's wrong
[04:43:00] xris: you should have ONE
[04:44:00] xris: now, you'll have a ton of mysql processes with "myth" in them, but that's different.
[04:44:00] Dark`-`: 9148 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log 9152 ? S 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[04:44:00] Dark`-`: that shows up with 10 unique pids
[04:44:00] Dark`-`: same exact line to start them
[04:44:00] xris: so kill them all
[04:44:00] xris: something's not right
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: uhh
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: that's how mine works too xris
[04:44:00] xris: really?
[04:44:00] xris: that's weird
[04:44:00] Dark`-`: ok i stopped it and they're all gone
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: i have about 7 when it's not recording and over 10 when it is
[04:44:00] Dark`-`: started and 10 again
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: in fact, i have a hackish script that checks if it's recording based on how many processes it's using )
[04:45:00] xris: maybe your is is listing threads as well as processes
[04:45:00] Dark`-`: so i guess thats normal then lol
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: xris: i'm just doing ps aux
[04:45:00] Dark`-`: yea i was doing aux before
[04:45:00] xris: weird.
[04:45:00] xris: no clue, then
[04:45:00] Dark`-`: lol
[04:45:00] Dark`-`: SarahEmm: gentoo?
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: maybe different kind of card?
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: yeah, gentoo
[04:45:00] xris: mine only has one
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: what card are you running dark? and xris?
[04:45:00] xris: SarahEmm: air2pc and pvr-150
[04:45:00] Dark`-`: gentoo and WinTV-Go Plus
[04:46:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[04:46:00] SarahEmm: i'm gentoo and a V4L card too
[04:46:00] gloin: hey, is it possible to set mythtv up on a console-only machine and then just use mythweb to admin it? My home swerver (the one that has the data dir for my current install is a trusty old debian box, and I'd rather not tie up my desktop machine with stuff like this several-hours-long transcode job, as I'm frequently dinking around with hardware on it and rebooting.
[04:46:00] SarahEmm: maybe v4l cards use multiple processes?
[04:46:00] Dark`-`: dunno
[04:46:00] xris: must be some gentoo option. or v4l
[04:46:00] SarahEmm: gloin: sure. s'how i do it
[04:46:00] Dark`-`: who do we ask? :)
[04:46:00] SarahEmm: Dark`-`: i wouldn't worry about it. seems normal enough to me
[04:46:00] xris: gloin: sure, why not?
[04:46:00] gloin: SarahEmm: how do you config it? Mysql cli?
[04:46:00] Dark`-`: well i only have a 1ghz cpu so it concerns me :)
[04:46:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: ssh -Y or ssh -X
[04:47:00] gloin: seems like initial myth config really wants that fugly-slow frontend app
[04:47:00] SlicerDicer-: eh xris?
[04:47:00] xris: oops, that was for gloin
[04:47:00] SarahEmm: gloin: i have VNCserver on the box
[04:47:00] Dark`-`: every extra process slows me down, but if thats how they meant it to be then i got no choice
[04:47:00] SarahEmm: so i VNC in to admin it
[04:47:00] gloin: ahh
[04:47:00] SarahEmm: Dark`-`: it doesn't really slow you down.
[04:47:00] gloin: I don't have xorg or xfree installed on the deb box
[04:47:00] gloin: don't want it on there, either.
[04:47:00] SarahEmm: gloin: okay, i have no idea then :)
[04:47:00] Dark`-`: well just the overhead on the process scheduler to handle 9 or 10 more processes than it needs to :)
[04:47:00] gloin: it's a Via C3 machine... runs great but x11 would be a bit much to ask of it =]
[04:48:00] gloin: actually...
[04:48:00] Dark`-`: oh well, ill ignore it for now
[04:48:00] gloin: pix of it here: http://flickr.com/photos/taupehat/sets/1079266/
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: gloin: lol, nice!
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: gloin: with mythtv on it, you'll have created your own Video Toaster! :)
[04:51:00] gloin: hehe
[04:51:00] gloin: which would make it's dns name even better
[04:58:00] Dark`-`: what commercial skip method do you guys recommend?
[04:58:00] ** SarahEmm doesn't have enough CPU power for that function **
[04:58:00] SarahEmm: so i don't use it heh
[04:58:00] SarahEmm: i need more than 1.7ghz in this box...
[04:58:00] Goose-Npa: SarahEmm: you know how to use myself to edit the database?
[04:59:00] ** SarahEmm needs to get a second backend... **
[04:59:00] SarahEmm: Goose-Npa: use yourself?
[04:59:00] gloin: 3haha
[04:59:00] gloin: SarahEmm: you should try the CPU on the toaster...
[04:59:00] SarahEmm: gloin: i assume you're using a PVR-xxx tho?
[04:59:00] gloin: it'll make your box look like something to bring into a LAN
[05:00:00] gloin: SarahEmm: no, I've got a crufty bttv card that I paid thirty bux for
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: err
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: what codec are you using to make it work then?
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: i'm pushing 100% on a 1.7GHz box
[05:00:00] gloin: eh
[05:00:00] gloin: well
[05:00:00] gloin: right now I've got that card in a p4 2.6
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[05:00:00] gloin: it never runs much above 20% while recording TV
[05:01:00] gloin: unless I fire up bzflag...
[05:01:00] SarahEmm: right..
[05:01:00] SarahEmm: but in the c3 it won't be like that :)
[05:01:00] gloin: no
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[05:01:00] gloin: the c3 would tell me some impolite things in dmesg and then shut itself down
[05:01:00] PaulWay[w]: What are you people doing to consume so much processing time?
[05:02:00] gloin: I'd have to get a PVR to use the c3 for myth
[05:02:00] gloin: PaulWay[w]: nuvexport pegs the CPU rather handily
[05:02:00] SarahEmm: ahh okay
[05:02:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: i'm using a plain V4L card and encoding to MPEG4 in software
[05:02:00] SarahEmm: if you can use a PVR-xxx card it saves a lot of CPU over what i do
[05:03:00] gloin: sigh
[05:03:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: You're talking about a Via C3? There's a project to use the MPEG2 decoding on the Via Unichrome video display in X11.
[05:04:00] gloin: PaulWay[w]: interesting...
[05:04:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: Would it be better to record to e.g. rtjpeg and then immediately transcode down in 'imaginary time'? (i.e. not real time)
[05:04:00] gloin: so you could pipe that back to mythtv somehow and use the hardware for mpeg2 encoding?
[05:04:00] gloin: I'd have to add cooling to the toaster...
[05:04:00] gloin: it runs marginally hot right now
[05:05:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: There's an ISO install someone's womped up for setting up a mythfrontend box on a Via that uses the correct drivers and everything.
[05:05:00] gloin: although I don't much trust what sensors is telling me
[05:05:00] gloin: PaulWay[w]: I'd just set mythbackend up on the C3
[05:05:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: I've pegged my Via M10000 at 137degC
[05:05:00] gloin: owch
[05:05:00] Chutt: that's slightly warm
[05:05:00] PaulWay[w]: That's when it started crashing.
[05:05:00] gloin: that's crazy hot
[05:05:00] gloin: but
[05:06:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: RTJPEG is not good quality tho, afaik
[05:06:00] SarahEmm: and even so, how would that help?
[05:06:00] SarahEmm: it'd still be transcodin
[05:06:00] SarahEmm: g
[05:06:00] PaulWay[w]: Interestingly, it only hit that when the CPU was at the top of the case, not at the bottom – and after I'd removed its noisy fan and put a Zalman passive heatsink in.
[05:06:00] mishehu: *sigh*
[05:06:00] Chutt: my xp-m 2200+ is, in the same case – quiter, cooler (> 10c), and about 4x as fast as the m10000 that used to be in there
[05:06:00] SarahEmm: mishehu?
[05:06:00] Chutt: via stuff sucks =)
[05:07:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: Isn't it possible to use RTJpeg in some high-quality mode that doesn't use much CPU time to do its compression?
[05:07:00] smoke_: via stuff does suck
[05:07:00] PaulWay[w]: Could you even use HuffYUV or something that's really quick but uses crazy amounts of disk space?
[05:07:00] gloin: http://pastebin.ca/26132 <-- this is why I don't trust sensors... sometimes it even reports the -12V with a value that looks like +13.xV
[05:07:00] smoke_: im working on a box right now trying to set up a pvr on it
[05:07:00] gloin: heh
[05:07:00] gloin: well
[05:07:00] smoke_: but the playback sucks so bad
[05:07:00] mishehu: SarahEmm: little annoyed. can't find docs on the serialport-connected-diode I have that's supposed to change the channel on my motorola cablebox...
[05:07:00] gloin: the motherboard with the C3 installed to it cost fifty buxks
[05:07:00] smoke_: is there any reason why? ... i dont think drm is loaded properly... any ideas why?
[05:07:00] gloin: I can't complain
[05:07:00] mishehu: partially because I know remember where I got it from or what it was called.
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: how would that help tho? it'd still transcode right away
[05:07:00] Chutt: paulway, the problem with huffyuv is that you start running out of disk bandwidth rather fast
[05:07:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: try to get the real x.org unichrome drivers working.
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: using up all the CPU again
[05:08:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: But it won't skip, and the transcoding will run at a low priority in case you're wanting to use the machine for other things.
[05:08:00] gloin: PaulWay[w]: my toaster/C3 box lives headless in a closet, connected to printers, scanner and LAN. I only visit it to pick up printouts.
[05:09:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: Mine lives on a KVM behind the fans of my main machine...
[05:09:00] gloin: heh
[05:09:00] gloin: lol
[05:09:00] smoke_: PaulWay[w]: so dont use thevesa drm drivers?
[05:09:00] gloin: I just ran sensors again, and it claims that Temp3 is -58C
[05:10:00] gloin: I have zero faith in sensors on this box
[05:10:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: that'll speed things up a little but won't do hardware MPEG2 decoding.
[05:10:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: is Temp3 even connected?
[05:10:00] gloin: PaulWay[w]: only if it's onboard
[05:10:00] gloin: really though
[05:10:00] smoke_: PaulWay[w]: if i enable the hardware decoding will it speed it up more?
[05:10:00] gloin: -12V is reporting at -19.63
[05:10:00] gloin: riiight
[05:10:00] smoke_: PaulWay[w]: .. because i dont get it... to enable the hardware decoding i need the unichrome drivers yeah?
[05:10:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: If you can get it working, certainly.
[05:11:00] smoke_: oh, its hard to get it working?
[05:11:00] gloin: thing is, the box runs rock solid. If the voltages were that far gone, it'd be a crash-generation device.
[05:11:00] PaulWay[w]: Well, I had a bit of trouble, but I was trying to do it the boring "install the packages from the yum repository" way.
[05:11:00] PaulWay[w]: gloin: Yeah, I'm not convinced by the sensors either.
[05:12:00] PaulWay[w]: But OTOH there's a lot of intelligence in the Via processor and chips to allow it to run on low voltages
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[05:13:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: hrm, i suppose... it doesn't skip now, it just hits about 95% CPU heh
[05:13:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: my long term plan is to try to build a bigger box with two BTTV cards in it.
[05:13:00] SarahEmm: if i can't because of PCI bandwidth, then two backends
[05:14:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: The other solution is to go DVB – I get about 3% CPU usage recording two programs off DVB cards.
[05:14:00] PaulWay[w]: And about 10% CPU playing them back using XvMC on a GeForce 5200.
[05:14:00] SarahEmm: i'm in north america, i don't think i can go DVB can i?
[05:14:00] Dagmar: What?
[05:14:00] Dagmar: The 5200 has hardware decompression?
[05:14:00] smoke_: how do i build the unichrome drivers without rebuilding X?
[05:15:00] Dagmar: Since when?
[05:15:00] Dagmar: smoke_: There's not any reasonable way currently unless you really know X
[05:15:00] smoke_: damn...
[05:15:00] Dagmar: Basically, if you knew X well enough to do it, you wouldn't have to ask
[05:15:00] smoke_: well... its not make Makefile heh
[05:15:00] PaulWay[w]: Dagmar: For sure!
[05:15:00] smoke_: how do i generate the makefile for the module?
[05:16:00] PaulWay[w]: Ever since the GeForce 4, I'm told.
[05:16:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: i can't do sattelite, and i don't think they use DVB-C on cable here
[05:16:00] Dagmar: Crap. I didn't know they were putting that in all their chips
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[05:18:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: my plan for getting it working is to download the ISO of the LinPVR.org Minimyth distro and working out how they did it in there.
[05:21:00] smoke_: hmm
[05:21:00] Dagmar: I can't believe I have had XvMC disabled all this time
[05:21:00] Dagmar: *sigh*
[05:21:00] Dagmar: Well, full screen video should just be blazing now
[05:21:00] smoke_: Dagmar: is xvmc a completely differnet package than the unichrome stuff?
[05:21:00] smoke_: or is the unichrome drivers have xvmc support ini t?
[05:21:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: i'm basically restricted to normal analog/digital cable here... i've considered moving to digital, but it wouldn't help the CPU as i'd still be just feeding the cable boxes output to my TV Wonder cards
[05:21:00] Dagmar: smoke_: They're not the same type of thing.
[05:22:00] Dark`-`: u think commercial detection is too much for a 1ghz cpu? :)
[05:22:00] Goose-Npa: i thought a hardlink deleted the real file too
[05:22:00] Dagmar: They've got about as much to do with each other as a rear view mirror and a lamp post
[05:22:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: I wish they'd release a digital cable capable PCI card...
[05:23:00] SarahEmm: PaulWay[w]: it's encrypted here, so that'd be difficult :)
[05:23:00] SarahEmm: that would rock tho
[05:23:00] SarahEmm: heck, i'd settle for a PVR-500 that'd do VBI :)
[05:23:00] Dagmar: SarahEmm: The driver seems to think it's doing VBI stuff.
[05:23:00] SarahEmm: not on the 500 it doesn't
[05:24:00] SarahEmm: the 250/350 driver does
[05:24:00] SarahEmm: but myth doesn't support it
[05:24:00] Dagmar: Looks like I'll have to be careful not to go deaf then
[05:24:00] SarahEmm: the 150/500 cards support it or not depending who you beleive (hauppauge doesn't say) and the drivers and myth both definately don't
[05:24:00] SarahEmm: so i stick with software encoding and bttv cards, because i can use it with this setup
[05:25:00] Dagmar: Well, I can seem to get data from the vbi devices on the 500
[05:26:00] SarahEmm: uhh
[05:26:00] SarahEmm: valid data?
[05:26:00] SarahEmm: ooh wait
[05:26:00] SarahEmm: right, the 250/350 embed it in the mpeg stream itself
[05:26:00] Dagmar: I don't know if it's valid or not, but drivers typically don't give you *any* data if they ren't reading it
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[05:26:00] SarahEmm: the 150/500 have it on /dev/vbi0 but not in the MPEG stream
[05:26:00] Dagmar: Yes, which irks the hell out of me
[05:27:00] SarahEmm: so in theory a driver could.. i dunno, re-encode the mpeg stream with the data in it?
[05:27:00] SarahEmm: i don't know mpeg well enough to do it myself :/
[05:27:00] SarahEmm: i've considered switching over to The Dark Side a few times because of it but..
[05:27:00] Dagmar: If I actually had all 525 rasters directly available, I could maybe start on cracking scrambled cable for an intellectual exercise
[05:27:00] Dagmar: I've got an 8x8 card somewhere here tho
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[05:28:00] PaulWay[w]: sorry, back now, full bladder warning.
[05:29:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: Encrypted is OK, you have a card in the set top box which holds the decryption key; just put that in the PCI card.
[05:29:00] PaulWay[w]: Anyway, this is solving the problem that no company will allow you to solve.
[05:29:00] Dagmar: PaulWay[w]: So it's actually doable to use the QAM card Hauppage sells for digital cable?
[05:30:00] Dagmar: ...like, without using Windows MCE and probably paying extra fees besides?
[05:30:00] SarahEmm: Dagmar: err, no, i think paul is saying he wishes it was possible :)
[05:31:00] Dagmar: Ah okay
[05:31:00] Dagmar: I'm trying not to get into the habit of breaking IP laws
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[05:31:00] ** SarahEmm is sticking with myth and not MCE for now anyway. :) **
[05:31:00] Dagmar: ...otherwise I'd probably be already ordering books and saying "#@$% the cable company I'll watch it on what I want"
[05:31:00] PaulWay[w]: Dagmar: You can't walk down the street without breaking some kind of IP law...
[05:31:00] smoke_: Dagmar: ive been googling for a while now :), can you give me a clue on ho to build the unichrome driver by itself?
[05:31:00] Dagmar: PaulWay[w]: I've noticed, believe me
[05:32:00] PaulWay[w]: I'm sure Starbucks wishes it could charge you every time you saw their logo...
[05:32:00] Dagmar: smoke_: There are howtos up there.
[05:32:00] smoke_: up where? the topic?
[05:32:00] Dagmar: ON TEH INTARWEB
[05:32:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: One option is to check out how they do it on linpvr.org
[05:32:00] smoke_: k
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[05:33:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: what distro are you using?
[05:33:00] smoke_: gentoo
[05:34:00] PaulWay[w]: OK, I'm not going to be much help, I don't understand how gentoo's packaging system works.
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[05:35:00] PaulWay[w]: If you were using RPMs, there are RPMs available for the whole xorg driver stack for Unichrome.
[05:35:00] smoke_: PaulWay[w]: it uses portage, i emerge a package and it compiles it for me :/
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[05:35:00] PaulWay[w]: Actually, look up http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/
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[05:36:00] PaulWay[w]: I use the frobnitz system, I mabulate a package and it compiles for me...
[05:37:00] PaulWay[w]: That's what your sentence meant to me, I'm afraid :-)
[05:38:00] smoke_: heh
[05:40:00] PaulWay[w]: I hope those two links will provide some useful info.
[05:41:00] smoke_: nm i think i found out how to compile the unichrome driver.
[05:41:00] Goose-Npa: anyone use mythlink
[05:41:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: you're still working on that?
[05:41:00] Goose-Npa: PaulWay[w]: i guess its impossible to delete a symlink and delete the original file too heh
[05:41:00] PaulWay[w]: smoke_: yay!
[05:42:00] Goose-Npa: yea im giving up now though
[05:42:00] PaulWay[w]: heh heh heh :-)
[05:43:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: Just do that rm file cat cat incantation, and then do an rm $symlink
[05:43:00] Goose-Npa: rm file cat cat incantation,??
[05:44:00] smoke_: bah didnt work
[05:44:00] PaulWay[w]: That one that I mentioned earlier today.
[05:45:00] PaulWay[w]: To delete both, do something like "for $x in $wildcard; do rm `file $x | cut -d \` -f 2 | cut -d \' -f 1`; rm $x; echo $x and symlink deletedl done"
[05:46:00] PaulWay[w]: (Everything inside double quotes, but not the double quotes themselves)
[05:46:00] Goose-Npa: If it does, do this: for $x in $wildcard; do rm `file $x | cut -d \` -f 2 | cut -d \' -f 1`; done
[05:46:00] Goose-Npa: oh yea
[05:46:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[05:47:00] Goose-Npa: so i gotta pass a value x
[05:47:00] Goose-Npa: whats $wildcard?
[05:47:00] PaulWay[w]: the wildcard file expression you're wanting to delete.
[05:47:00] Goose-Npa: for example? excuse my ignorance
[05:48:00] PaulWay[w]: Replace $wildcard with whatever you want to delete (be it non-wildcarded, wildcarded, or multiple arguments).
[05:48:00] PaulWay[w]: e.g. for $x in *.nuv;...
[05:48:00] Goose-Npa: ahh
[05:48:00] PaulWay[w]: I'm just using the shell syntax to indicate a metasyntactic variable.
[05:48:00] Goose-Npa: so if i put this in a script and named it delete.sh i would sh delete.sh "symlink file name"
[05:51:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[05:51:00] Goose-Npa: guess i angered you
[05:51:00] Goose-Npa: my bad
[05:51:00] PaulWay[w]: Sorry, no anger, I'm just looking up commands to do what you want more simply.
[05:51:00] Goose-Npa: oh
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[05:53:00] PaulWay[w]: Hmmm – stat is almost but not quite what I want.
[05:55:00] PaulWay[w]: I _really_ don't want to have to write something in C specifically for the task.
[05:56:00] Goose-Npa: heh wouldn't the bash script above work?
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[05:57:00] PaulWay[w]: Yeah, but only so long as the output of 'file' remains the same, and as long as there aren't any back or forward quotes in the file name itself, and anything else that I haven't thought of.
[05:58:00] PaulWay[w]: Heeeeere we are!
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[05:59:00] PaulWay[w]: Yes!
[05:59:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[05:59:00] Goose-Npa: show me show me
[06:02:00] PaulWay[w]: Your shell script: http://pastebin.ca/26134
[06:03:00] gloin: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/43223/ShowPost.aspx
[06:03:00] Goose-Npa: great! so all i do is pass it the symlink ?
[06:04:00] PaulWay[w]: You can pass it any damn thing you want to :-)
[06:04:00] PaulWay[w]: It'll delete a file, and if the file is a symlink it'll delete the linked file as well.
[06:04:00] PaulWay[w]: It won't delete the file that's symlinked to a symlink.
[06:04:00] PaulWay[w]: I.e. it only copes with one level of redirection.
[06:06:00] Goose-Npa: cool let me give it a try
[06:07:00] Goose-Npa: sh delete.sh "Good\ Times\ -\ 2005-10–18,\ 5–30\ AM\ -\ Springtime\ in\ the\ Ghetto.mpg"
[06:07:00] Goose-Npa: delete.sh: line 12: `$x': not a valid identifier
[06:07:00] PaulWay[w]: Curse.
[06:07:00] PaulWay[w]: Hmmm.
[06:08:00] PaulWay[w]: OK, now updated to support spaces in file names.
[06:09:00] PaulWay[w]: And it's pastebin.ca/26135
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[06:11:00] Goose-Npa: :/ same error
[06:12:00] PaulWay[w]: Aaaahghhghgh, stupid me: line 3 should read "for x in $*; do"
[06:12:00] mishehu: hey guys, I have some sort of rudimentary ir blaster for changing channels on my cable box. if I understand correctly, I need *either* lirc_sir or lirc_serial loaded in the kernel, and lircd running on the device. Is there any way to tell if this is working at all?
[06:12:00] mishehu: since changing channels in mythtv doesn't do anything
[06:12:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: Give me a minute to fiddle with it and I'll let you know.
[06:13:00] mishehu: (I did set the change-channel-lirc.sh as the channel changer script)
[06:13:00] PaulWay[w]: You may be able to see the IR flashes on a digital camera screen
[06:13:00] Goose-Npa: http://pastebin.com/400587 , looks like it tried to delete each seperate part of the file name
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[06:15:00] mishehu: PaulWay[w]: I'll try that
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[06:15:00] PaulWay[w]: http://pastebin.ca/26136
[06:16:00] PaulWay[w]: For Goose-Npa. I've actually tested it this time, rather than just writing it out from memory and hoping.
[06:16:00] Goose-Npa: sh test3.sh "Good\ Times\ -\ 2005-10–18,\ 5–30\ AM\ -\ Springtime\ in\ the\ Ghetto.mpg"
[06:16:00] Goose-Npa: test3.sh: line 12: `$x': not a valid identifier
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[06:17:00] PaulWay[w]: Jeez I'm stupid – let's actually paste the script into the pastebin...
[06:18:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[06:19:00] PaulWay[w]: http://pastebin.ca/26137
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: still doesn't like spaces
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: works with file with no spaces though
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: http://pastebin.com/400592 , check that out
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: i ran the script with the file that has spaces
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: then i renamed the file to test.mpg
[06:21:00] Goose-Npa: and ran the script on test.mpg and that worked
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[06:25:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[06:25:00] Goose-Npa: you around?
[06:26:00] PaulWay[w]: phone call
[06:28:00] SlicerDicer-: hey xris you still here?
[06:28:00] xris: I happen to have just popped back in
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[06:29:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh hey check this out http://www.buyinflatables.com/productid15587-00.htm I am going to get that for my roof for christmas
[06:29:00] SlicerDicer-: its awesome!
[06:29:00] SlicerDicer-: too bad its not a linux penguin though
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[06:32:00] xris: haha
[06:32:00] PaulWay[w]: SlicerDicer-: I find that disturbing. It looks evil.
[06:32:00] xris: sorry, I tend to think those things are a bit tacky
[06:32:00] CyberKnet: a bit? =)
[06:32:00] xris: giant tux might be cool, though. sitting on the roof like he does.
[06:32:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[06:32:00] Goose-Npa: so now i have to figure out a way to make mythlink.pl to output without spaces
[06:32:00] xris: CyberKnet: you ever do linkedin.com?
[06:32:00] CyberKnet: can't say that I have
[06:32:00] xris: Goose-Npa: --format
[06:32:00] Goose-Npa: ?
[06:32:00] xris: well, if you use the new one in svn
[06:32:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, I have a area on my roof that wont look tacky
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I will take a picture of it
[06:33:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: I find that hard to believe.
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: its a corner so it will set in a corner
[06:33:00] Goose-Npa: xris: where can i grab the new one in svn? i dont have svn installed
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: flat area
[06:33:00] mishehu: aaaaaaaaah
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: PaulWay[w], haha its not disturbing
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: but yeah if I could get a 8ft tux I would
[06:33:00] xris: Goose-Npa: not sure it'll work (I believe it will, though), but you can just browse to it through trac at http://svn.mythtv.org
[06:34:00] xris: Goose-Npa: it's called mythrename now, though. and with .18, you'll need to use the --link option or stuff will break
[06:34:00] Goose-Npa: so run mythrename.pl --link --format
[06:34:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: I hate you and your script!
[06:34:00] PaulWay[w]: :-)
[06:34:00] Goose-Npa: lol
[06:34:00] xris: Goose-Npa: just use --help and it'll explain things
[06:34:00] Goose-Npa: your script works great , just not with spaces heh
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[06:36:00] xris: Goose-Npa: you *can* browse backwards in the history to get mythlink.pl back (it's in mythtv/contrib, btw), but mythrename is better/smarter
[06:37:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: The problem is that for loop.
[06:37:00] PaulWay[w]: Maybe I can shift it.
[06:37:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: you wrote a different mythlink than the one in contrib?
[06:38:00] mishehu: I get nothing coming out of my ir blaster
[06:38:00] xris: mishehu: you look at it with a digicam?
[06:38:00] Goose-Npa: xris: he wrote a script so that when you delete a symlink it deletes the .nuv file associated too
[06:38:00] xris: oh
[06:38:00] mishehu: it's the same one as on the ircblaster.info site
[06:38:00] Goose-Npa: but it craps out with symlinks that have spaces
[06:38:00] mishehu: xris: yeah, nothing.
[06:39:00] xris: mishehu: that's no good. even with the simple blink-blink-blink tester program?
[06:39:00] mishehu: xris: and I pointed a remote at the camera and pressed buttons, and I did see stuff.
[06:39:00] Goose-Npa: xris: trunk/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl (moved)
[06:39:00] Goose-Npa: is that it?
[06:39:00] xris: mishehu: the ir blaster is about 50 x dimmer than a normal remote
[06:39:00] mishehu: xris: what blink-blink tester program? I am using the change-channel-lirc.sh file.
[06:40:00] xris: I had to dim the lights in the room to see mine.
[06:40:00] mishehu: hmmm
[06:40:00] mishehu: I'll turn off the lights, brb.
[06:40:00] xris: mishehu: there's a tester program or something with lirc that sends on-off-on-off code so you can see it blink
[06:40:00] xris: I forget where it was (too long ago), but remember using it to test mine.
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[06:42:00] Goose-Npa: heh xris: is there anyway to get the file without all the line numbers?
[06:42:00] mishehu: xris: nada.
[06:42:00] mishehu: I turned off all the lights except for the tv
[06:42:00] SlicerDicer-: http://pics.uglychristmaslights.com/2003/fantasy.jpg now thats tacky xris :P
[06:42:00] xris: Goose-Npa: at the bottom.. "original format" or something like that.
[06:42:00] mishehu: I get nothing, with the camera less than an inch away
[06:43:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: Right, here we go...
[06:43:00] Goose-Npa: xris: cool is ee
[06:43:00] mishehu: xris: lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, and lirc_serial are in the kernel right now
[06:43:00] xris: mishehu: you need to make sure that lirc works before that script will do any good
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[06:43:00] mishehu: xris: how do I check out if lirc works? as far as I know it does. when I do irw, it connects and stays, though I don't know how to get or receive data from irw.
[06:44:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: http://pastebin.ca/26141
[06:44:00] xris: mishehu: no clue, there. I had to compile a second version (google for: mythtv losdos) to get mine worknig
[06:45:00] Goose-Npa: xris:
[06:45:00] Goose-Npa: perl mythrename.pl
[06:45:00] Goose-Npa: This script requires mythtv >= 0.19
[06:45:00] Goose-Npa: ha
[06:45:00] xris: Goose-Npa: guess I caved for isaac telling me not to add backwards compatibility.
[06:47:00] Goose-Npa: PaulWay[w]: same thing :(
[06:47:00] PaulWay[w]: WHAT?
[06:47:00] xris: Goose-Npa: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .pl?rev=7025
[06:48:00] xris: that's an old revision before it was mythrename
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[06:48:00] Goose-Npa: PaulWay[w]: wait
[06:48:00] Goose-Npa: actually that one worked
[06:48:00] Goose-Npa: YAY
[06:48:00] Dagmar: Hateful ffmpeg crashes. *sigh*
[06:48:00] Goose-Npa: sh /mnt/packages/test5.sh "Good Times – 2005-10–18, 10–00 AM – The TV Commercial.mpg"
[06:48:00] Goose-Npa: /mnt/mythstorage/1062_20051018220000_20051018223000.nuv and symlink Good Times – 2005-10–18, 10–00 AM – The TV Commercial.mpg deleted
[06:48:00] PaulWay[w]: I should think so too!!!
[06:49:00] Goose-Npa: thanx xris
[06:49:00] PaulWay[w]: Glad to see it working, Goose-Npa – sorry for stuffing you around with so many bad edits.
[06:49:00] Goose-Npa: heh no stress for me, im thankful you even helped me out
[06:49:00] PaulWay[w]: Now for an infinite symlink following version...
[06:49:00] xris: dunno why you'd want to delete the nuv file, though.. unless you wipe the db entry, myth is going to get really confused.
[06:50:00] ** xris pokes CyberKnet2 **
[06:50:00] Goose-Npa: yea i use phpmyadmin to wipe the database entry
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[06:50:00] xris: Goose-Npa: ahh
[06:51:00] xris: still not a good way to do it.
[06:51:00] Goose-Npa: oh
[06:51:00] xris: I really need to write a mythtv perl module
[06:51:00] xris: Goose-Npa: backend needs to know that you made the change to the db.
[06:51:00] xris: best way to do it is to just tell the backend to delete the file
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[06:51:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: The correct solution here is obviously to learn Perl and remove the db entry in there as well.
[06:51:00] SarahEmm: hihi
[06:51:00] mishehu: ugh
[06:51:00] PaulWay[w]: Hi SarahEmm!
[06:51:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: no, it's not
[06:51:00] xris: best way is to tell the backend to delete the file.
[06:51:00] Dagmar: xris: If you could do it in a way that would give us a perl method for doing OSd stuff I might well have your children
[06:51:00] mishehu: xris: doesn't really help me much. do you know if irblasters have a visible light led as well as the ird one?
[06:52:00] PaulWay[w]: xris: Hear that? It's the sound of sarcasm!
[06:52:00] xris: mishehu: some homemade ones do
[06:52:00] Goose-Npa: xris: and how would you do that? or is the only way to do that is to do it through the mythfrontend ?
[06:52:00] SarahEmm: hihi PaulWay[w]
[06:52:00] PaulWay[w]: Or hyperbole, whichever is funnier.
[06:52:00] mishehu: xris: well, I have no idea whether or not it's functional...
[06:52:00] xris: Goose-Npa: mythweb does it. you just have to send the write command.
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[06:52:00] xris: mishehu: digicam should see the light
[06:52:00] gloin: Encode lasted: 7h 54m 33s
[06:52:00] Goose-Npa: yea mythweb is kinda slow to delete
[06:52:00] gloin: christ
[06:52:00] gloin: that was for a one-hour tv show
[06:52:00] xris: there *is* an lirc test signal program that will turn the light on/off
[06:53:00] SarahEmm: gloin: how fast is your box??
[06:53:00] xris: gloin: that sounds about right
[06:53:00] Goose-Npa: takes about 20seconds for the page to reload after i choose delete
[06:53:00] gloin: SarahEmm: p4 2.6
[06:53:00] SarahEmm: uhhhh... HDTV?
[06:53:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: what filesystem is your mythstorage running on?
[06:53:00] gloin: xris: that's awful
[06:53:00] Goose-Npa: xfs
[06:53:00] SarahEmm: how does that sound about right xris?
[06:53:00] xris: gloin: welcome to "linux encoders are free, you get what you pay for"
[06:53:00] xris: SarahEmm: to encode something in nuvexport
[06:53:00] xris: takes me about 4 hours to do a two-pass xvid encode.
[06:53:00] xris: of a half-hour show
[06:53:00] ** SarahEmm thinks paul's idea to record in RT-JPEG and transcode to MPEG4 later is not a great idea then ;) **
[06:54:00] PaulWay[w]: Interesting – the infinite symlink version is neater.
[06:54:00] Dagmar: xris: Same here. That's the reason I'm desperate to get ffmpeg to stop crashing
[06:54:00] PaulWay[w]: SarahEmm: It wasn't a very good idea, admittedly.
[06:54:00] xris: rtjpeg quality is less than that of mpeg4
[06:54:00] SarahEmm: yeah i thought so xris
[06:54:00] xris: Dagmar: huh? ffmpeg is just as slow
[06:54:00] SarahEmm: i need a second backend or more CPU power, i think :)
[06:54:00] Dagmar: Transcode is damn slow. Even if ffmpeg is damn slow too, one might be slightly slower than the other
[06:54:00] xris: slightly faster for encoding to mpeg, but the quality sucks (imho)
[06:54:00] SarahEmm: running at 95 means i skip frames when my backup runs
[06:55:00] ** mishehu frowns. **
[06:55:00] mishehu: stupid ass comcast.
[06:55:00] xris: in my xvid tests, there was like .2 fps difference between transcode and ffmpeg
[06:55:00] xris: and ffmpeg came out jittery with more artifacts
[06:55:00] PaulWay[w]: Goose-Npa: The other thing to do is to add to this script a ghastly kludge to get the chanid and start time from the NUV file name and issue the correct delete command to the database directly from the script.
[06:55:00] xris: it's supposedly better for mpeg stuff, but I have no use for that anymore.
[06:55:00] mishehu: transcode worked better on smp for me than did ffmpeg.
[06:55:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: that won't work with svn anymore, though
[06:55:00] PaulWay[w]: I will _not_ soil myself by writing that for you :-)
[06:56:00] xris: mishehu: for smp, neither did any difference for me (and I have a real SMP machine)
[06:56:00] PaulWay[w]: Why not, xris?
[06:56:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: because the file can be named anything.
[06:56:00] xris: it could be foo/bar/baz.boffo for all mythtv cares
[06:57:00] Goose-Npa: xris: but phpmyadmin does delete the entry from the database
[06:58:00] Goose-Npa: what other way is to tell mythbackend?
[06:58:00] PaulWay[w]: Fair enough.
[06:58:00] xris: Goose-Npa: not saying it doesn't.
[06:58:00] xris: but unless you tell mythtv that you've deleted the file, it will freak out when its cached values are not what it finds in the db.
[06:58:00] PaulWay[w]: xris: why the support for strange filenames, though? What's happening?
[06:58:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: for one thing, mpeg files will actually have .mpg suffixes
[06:58:00] PaulWay[w]: It sounds like you're merging the "Watch recordings" and "watch videos" functionality into one, yes?
[06:59:00] xris: by default, it's just chanid_starttime.suffix, too
[06:59:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: no
[06:59:00] PaulWay[w]: We're not using the .nuv wrapper format any more?
[06:59:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: yes, still using it.
[06:59:00] mishehu: xris: oooh, what's a *real* smp machine?  ;-)
[06:59:00] xris: but mpeg files NEVER used it, and still had the .nuv suffix.
[06:59:00] xris: mishehu: um, not HT
[06:59:00] PaulWay[w]: Then I am puzzled as to what you're up to.
[06:59:00] mishehu: I was doing transcode on a dual proc xeon 2.8ghz
[06:59:00] xris: mishehu: mine's a dual athlon mp
[07:00:00] xris: not quite as nice as yours
[07:00:00] PaulWay[w]: xris: btw, by 'freak out' you mean 'complain quietly' (according to my experience)
[07:00:00] xris: PaulWay[w]: it used to hang the frontend.
[07:00:00] xris: maybe it's better now
[07:00:00] PaulWay[w]: Oh. Interesting.
[07:00:00] mishehu: anyway, I'm really annoyed now by this stupid remote
[07:00:00] PaulWay[w]: This was in 0.18.0.something.
[07:00:00] mishehu: err cable box.
[07:00:00] PaulWay[w]: OR maybe even 0.17.
[07:00:00] PaulWay[w]: Anyway, enough chatting and more working.
[07:00:00] Goose-Npa: xris: guess i'll just go delete it through mythfrontend
[07:01:00] PaulWay[w]: (for me, that is)
[07:01:00] xris: Goose-Npa: mythweb deletes not good enough?
[07:01:00] Goose-Npa: xris: its slow deleting
[07:02:00] xris: ahh.
[07:02:00] Goose-Npa: it works
[07:02:00] xris: the ajax stuff that was added in svn makes it a little better. not the best solution, though.
[07:02:00] Goose-Npa: but im at home may as well do it through mythfrontend
[07:03:00] xris: if I can ever find time again, I want to make a mythtv module for cpan out of what I have in nuvexport... plus some.
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[07:31:00] xris: Chutt: btw, that delete-from-mythweb bug seems not to be a bug
[07:31:00] Chutt: heh
[07:31:00] Dagmar: Does it just delete the file directly?
[07:32:00] Dagmar: I regret having ever done that once
[07:32:00] Dagmar: Myth gets real bitchy about it
[07:34:00] xris: Dagmar: mythweb? no, it does things correctly.
[07:34:00] xris: there's a guy in svn having issues where mythweb will think it deletes a file, but it doesn't really.
[07:34:00] xris: dunno what the problem is, though
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[07:35:00] Dagmar: Hmm... Time for the generous application of a pile of print to STDERR
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[07:37:00] xris: well, for now it's a matter of waiting for people to reply (mailing list)
[07:39:00] Goose-Npa: xris: one last question is there a way to tell mythbackend the file is gone from the commandline?
[07:40:00] xris: Goose-Npa: doubt it.
[07:41:00] xris: only way I know of to do it properly is to query the backend directly via mythproto
[07:41:00] xris: and there aren't any cli tools to do that
[07:41:00] Goose-Npa: oh
[07:44:00] Dagmar: I've had to go and touch the file to re-create it and THEN delete it through the gui
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[07:52:00] deigo: I'm planning on getting a hauppauge pvr350 for use with a p3 900, is that going to be enough, or is it it going to be stressed for resources (the tuner has hardware encoding and decoding)
[07:52:00] deigo: if its not going to be stressed, how low can I go?
[07:52:00] SarahEmm: that's more than enough.
[07:52:00] deigo: what is just enough?
[07:52:00] SarahEmm: i don't know the absolute lower limit.
[07:53:00] deigo: how about a conservative estimate =)
[07:53:00] SarahEmm: i personally don't use hardware encoding, so i'm not the best person to talk to
[07:53:00] deigo: ah
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[07:53:00] SarahEmm: works fine on a duron 700 i know tho
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[07:53:00] deigo: wow, thats way cheaper
[07:53:00] SarahEmm: (as i own a card, i just don't use it)
[07:53:00] deigo: when i started I was planning on using a p1 233 but I've seen rather quickly thats not going to cut it at all
[07:53:00] deigo: lol
[07:54:00] SarahEmm: heh
[07:55:00] deigo: so were sure on the duron 700 being enough, no chopyness or dropped frames correct?
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[07:55:00] deigo: cause a 35 dollar processor being enough would rock
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[07:57:00] SarahEmm: no choppyness on the video
[07:57:00] Dagmar: You should be able to play video full screen with anything over 500Mhz
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[07:57:00] Dagmar: I dunno about 1080p or something, but I can play full screen video on my notebook with it on battery, meaning it's only running at 500Mhz
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[07:58:00] Dagmar: I wouldn't count on being able to *encode* video worth a damn at that speed tho
[07:59:00] Dagmar: Anything below 1Ghz for a processor and you really want a tuner card with hardware encoding
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[10:47:00] Beirdo: stupid netsplits
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[12:18:00] maniacxs: hi i have got some frontend crashes (svn) when trying to edit a recording, i think this happens when it was edited before. after the crash the the frontend shows only the length, the recording has when cutted. Filesize is ok. How can i fix this in db?
[12:21:00] juski: isn't the cutlist just used to jump past the edit points?
[12:23:00] maniacxs: juski: the time showed in the recording is in one example without cutlists ~2h and with it is ~20 mins.
[12:24:00] maniacxs: is is not possible to cut this video once more, because it jumps while moving to the begining, the end, the correct position, somewhere else....
[12:25:00] maniacxs: when playing it, it shows everything from begining even the cutted parts.
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[12:26:00] juski: the cutlist is non-destructive until you transcode or export – that's my understanding of it
[12:27:00] maniacxs: this happens only after the frontend crash when i try to edit a already edited recording.
[12:28:00] maniacxs: the filesize is still ok.
[12:28:00] maniacxs: and xine does it play without any problems.
[12:28:00] maniacxs: brb
[12:33:00] Dagmar: Weirdness. faad2 2.0 won't build correctly if it's already installed.
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[13:17:00] simon_c: Is it possable to use the IRDA port on a laptop as a receiver for an IR remote control ?
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[13:21:00] juski: simon_c: in theory.. but putting into practise might be impossible
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[13:22:00] simon_c: juski: Sounds like most of mythtv. ;-)
[13:23:00] simon_c: What's the easiest (and failry cheap) way of getting an IR remote working with an old laptop then? USB and Serial ports are available, funds are more limited. Skills with a solduring iron are non-existant.
[13:23:00] juski: yeah, right.. so explain why I've got a fully working system? ;)
[13:24:00] juski: funds limited, soldering ability non-existent.. you're stuffed then
[13:24:00] simon_c: juski: Funds are limited, but not non-existent.
[13:24:00] juski: a LIRC serial port receiver should costt you no more than $15
[13:25:00] simon_c: I've been trying to find an IR keyboard to use with a learning remote, but they all seem to be RF based now.
[13:25:00] juski: and you'd be lucky if the learning remote can learn enough keys
[13:25:00] simon_c: juski: Made up ? Any idea where I would find one from ?
[13:25:00] simon_c: juski: It's just for a front end. Cursor keys would be enough for what I want to do on this box.
[13:26:00] simon_c: The back end has a remote on it's TV card I (eventually) got working :-)
[13:26:00] juski: go to the LIRC homepage and look at the FAQ
[13:29:00] juski: or go to www.zapway.de
[13:29:00] simon_c: the only link on there is for the irtrans, and is 85EUR !!
[13:29:00] simon_c: I'll check zapway.
[13:30:00] juski: serial port receiver for LIRC 14.40 Euros
[13:30:00] juski: shit I just remembered I promised to send someone a couple of serial port receivers a while back
[13:31:00] ** juski wonders if there's a market for this stuff **
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[13:32:00] simon_c: juski: Which stuff ?
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[13:34:00] simon_c: I'll go and order one of these sapway things I think. Thankf for the help.
[13:38:00] GreyFoxx: ]
[13:42:00] juski: I see PCPro is reviewing a wristwatch PDA this month.. "never be late again" they say... EH? Has it got a time machine built into it?
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[14:58:00] maniacxs: yesterday someone said, mythtranscode is only for internal use. what is the best way to export recordings with the same quality to dvd?
[14:59:00] GreyFoxx: nuvexport?
[14:59:00] maniacxs: without avidemux would be good :)
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: Why? If it's all automated by the script it shouldn't make much of a difference to the user
[15:00:00] maniacxs: nuvexport does not work for me without modifications in mpeg2cut
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: The rare times I've done it has always been manual cutting and importing into a dvd authoring app
[15:01:00] maniacxs: the problem i have is i have to replex the file before avidemux is able to read it.
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: mpeg-ts ?
[15:01:00] maniacxs: yes
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, a problem with most apps
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[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: I do all of my Mpeg-ps+TS -> XVID encoding under windows now. Faster and avisynth+dgindex deal with the mpegts files without a hiccup
[15:03:00] maniacxs: are there possible errors that can occur if using mythtranscode? or is it _only_ not recommended?
[15:03:00] ** maniacxs is not going to use windoze **
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't know. The times I've used nuvexport it used mythtranscode without any issues
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: My windows laptop gets 30–45FPS, whereas my masterbackend gets 15FPS if I'm lucky. And I find the output quality better than what I get from mencoder, transcode or ffmpeg with the same bitrates and so on
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: The screen increase and no need to care about TS>PS conversion sold me on it quickly :)
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: screen = speed
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: too many conversations going on at once :)
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[15:09:00] maniacxs: thanks for the answers GreyFoxx,
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: Good luck with whatever you find works for you
[15:10:00] maniacxs: :) ok
[15:12:00] maniacxs: i have one problem with the frontend. don't know if you read it .... if it crashes while editing a recording, i am not able to edit this anymore. any ideas how to fix the db?
[15:12:00] maniacxs: the file is ok...
[15:13:00] maniacxs: the problem is, recording.edited stays 1, the only thing i see i can do is to set it manally to 0
[15:14:00] maniacxs: after this it shows only the length of the edited, without the cut points
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: mandyblock: I've never run accross that. My only suggestion would be to have mysql logging on when you enter and start editing to see exactly what flags it's setting
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: err that was for you :)
[15:16:00] maniacxs: i know
[15:18:00] maniacxs: GreyFoxx: do you know how to get mysqld logged this stuff?
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[15:23:00] GreyFoxx: edit my.cnf (assuming you have one) and add a "log" line to the [mysqld] section
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[15:24:00] maniacxs: thanks
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[15:46:00] maniacxs: GreyFoxx: this does only happen, when using mythtranscode
[15:46:00] simon_c: Can you mix different versions of frontend and backend ? i.e could I use the 0.18.1 backend, but play around with bleading edge frontend code on a diffent box. Or will it all go horribly wrong ?
[15:48:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: I would expect errors of some sort
[15:48:00] GreyFoxx: The protocol version has changed several times since then which could cause issues
[15:48:00] simon_c: OK. So there's no easy way to keep a stable back end, and play around with leading edge features on things like the front end of mythweb. Shame.
[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: Why would you expect there to be ?
[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: The apps are not written to be backward compatible
[15:49:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Not so much of expecting. As hoping.
[15:49:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[15:50:00] simon_c: I'd like to play around with the latest versions. The other half wants a stable PVR setup.
[15:50:00] Kyler_: Yeah, I had a stable system months ago and now it gets hosed daily. My other half is not happy.
[15:51:00] Kyler_: (And I'm using "stable"!)
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: I run svn on all my boxes (2 backends, 3 frontends + 1 mvp frontend) and the GF has no idea anything changes from day to day
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: until she runs accross something new :)
[15:51:00] simon_c: Personally, I'd like to start hacking around with the mythweb stuff etc.
[15:52:00] simon_c: gf's already giving me a hard time cos I can't get a myth setup in the other room that's a) using old hardware (0 cost) b) ready now c) with a remote d) no wires e)...... f)..... etc.
[15:52:00] simon_c: Blahhhhh
[15:52:00] simon_c: so getting it all working, then changing it all again would be a bad move I think.
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: Well some of those items especialy 0 cost would assume you have the hardware already
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[15:53:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Lots of hardware. Most of it old, and broken, and taking lots of time to get working correctly.
[15:54:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Hence so many of my posts about getting strange old gfx cards working on P2 based machines
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: The newest item in my set is the master backend. And even that is a couple years old
[15:56:00] simon_c: My backend is a 3 yo P4 box. the exta front end (this week) is going on a Dell CPx-J (P3–600). Just managed to track down a cable for the 7ping svideo to composite cable. So hopefully .....
[15:56:00] simon_c: Mind you. the latest complaint is at the amount of wires now behind the TV. !
[15:57:00] simon_c: It's not *that* bad.
[15:58:00] GreyFoxx: My GF loves our setup too much to complain about wires. But she doesn't really see those
[15:59:00] simon_c: Well, my GF compairs it to Sky+. But only the good bits of sky+. not the bad bits.
[15:59:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:01:00] simon_c: Still got a couple of bugs to iron out on the back end setup anyway. The output on the TV is still slightly squed on the top 10% of the picture. And I can't get it to "do the right thing" with widescreen
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[16:06:00] maniacxs: GreyFoxx: nuvexport does not show the recordings....
[16:07:00] maniacxs: not these recorded with current svn
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: Sounds like you need a newer nuvexport :)
[16:09:00] maniacxs: i merged a few minutes ago the nuvexport-svn
[16:10:00] maniacxs: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5988 21. Okt 15:51 /usr/bin/nuvexport
[16:10:00] maniacxs: Fr Okt 21 16:09:34 CEST 2005
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv@woop:~$ ls -la `which nuvexport`
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5989 2005-10–10 20:39 /usr/local/bin/nuvexport
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[16:10:00] maniacxs: is there a newer one than svn?
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: Works for me
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[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 38918 2005-10–10 20:38 nuvexport-0.2–0.20050922.svn
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: .tar.bz2
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: That is what I'm using
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: 1 minute before the time on the installed one, so it's a good bet :)
[16:13:00] maniacxs: thanks
[16:16:00] maniacxs: :( the one you are using shows me the same amount of recordings...
[16:17:00] maniacxs: only these i am not able to watch with mythtv
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: Mine is showing all of the recordings on both backends . Running myth svn last updated 2 days ago
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[16:19:00] icedutah: Need help setting up a remote for Myth. I have a learning remote I want to use...the MX500. Anyone have any great links for some help?
[16:21:00] maniacxs: GreyFoxx: maybe it is the same problem, why i have to use replex for mpeg2cut, why it is not showing the recordings.
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[16:23:00] DarkBeer_: icedutah: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes
[16:23:00] icedutah: thanks
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[16:32:00] maniacxs: Is there someone using mythmusic (ratings), who wants to sync the 'best rated' music to a mobile device like mp3 usb-storage or smartphone with lowest effort. (plug and play) wife compatible
[16:32:00] DarkBeer_: you have a plug and play wife?
[16:34:00] maniacxs: DarkBeer_: no but she likes plug and play ;)
[16:35:00] ** _Nero_ has never heard of any "plug and play" wife.. you have to configure drivers, get the sun the moon and the stars to align, make a romantic dinner, and buy them shoes.. then they'll play.. **
[16:36:00] maniacxs: _Nero_: hmm looks like my wife is a plug and play wife ...
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[16:52:00] Hoxzer: eh... is Mythdora a distro like knoppmyth or what?
[16:54:00] Hoxzer: what is FC3/OS
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[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: What, are you unable to use google ?
[16:56:00] Hoxzer: GreayFoxx: only thing I can find about is, "it is FC3/OS"
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: Fedora Core 3 based installed
[16:57:00] Hoxzer: so?
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: So what ?
[16:57:00] Hoxzer: so is it OS or something?
[16:58:00] Hoxzer: because it wont boot on start
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx: Do you know what Fedora Core is ?
[16:59:00] Hoxzer: yes.... I have glue
[16:59:00] Hoxzer: do I need to install it first?
[17:01:00] mishehu: bah.
[17:01:00] Hoxzer: just tell me should Mythdora install start on startup of the PC?
[17:03:00] Hoxzer: just tell me so I won't have to wait like 3 months to get this work
[17:03:00] mishehu: so, would anybody be able to assist me with lirc? I'm trying to set up an ir blaster (just like the one on irblaster.info). I have lirc_i2c and lirc_serial loaded in the kernel, but no 8250 modules. I have lircd.conf copied from one of the files in the Motorola remote section (cable box is a motorola). lircd runs, but when I run "irw", it just hangs there, never outputs anything. and the change-channels-lirc.sh script appears to work,
[17:04:00] mishehu: also, if I hold my digicam to the diode, it does not light up ever. even in a darkened room.
[17:04:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: do you want to install linux or do you already installed it?
[17:05:00] Hoxzer: maniacxs: I have knoppmyth installed
[17:05:00] Hoxzer: but it won't work with my card
[17:05:00] Hoxzer: and somebody said mythdora will get it work
[17:05:00] maniacxs: What card do you have?
[17:05:00] Hoxzer: Cinergy 1200 DVB-C
[17:06:00] Hoxzer: it doesn't matter if I need to install something cause this one isn't working
[17:07:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: what frontend does this card have?
[17:07:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: does this card has a CI?
[17:08:00] Hoxzer: I dont know
[17:08:00] Hoxzer: how do I check it?
[17:08:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: there should be a label on a chip on the card.
[17:08:00] Hoxzer: :E
[17:09:00] Hoxzer: :D
[17:09:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: it should work....others got it running (thanks to google)
[17:09:00] Hoxzer: I already knew that (thanks to google)
[17:09:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: i suppose you have not edited the kernel config
[17:09:00] Hoxzer: but I still dunno how to get it work
[17:09:00] Hoxzer: no
[17:10:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: have you installed knoppmyth to you hd? or are you using livecd?
[17:10:00] Hoxzer: but I still dunno what is mythdora
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[17:11:00] Hoxzer: because with that I should get it work and I dunno is it an OS or what
[17:11:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: it should be something like knoppmyth, only another 'distri'
[17:11:00] Hoxzer: not distro?
[17:11:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: sorry i am from germany
[17:12:00] Hoxzer: oh
[17:12:00] Hoxzer: ok, so it seems like I failed to burn it or something
[17:13:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: why not using knoppmyth... make a new kernel and it should work.
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[17:13:00] Hoxzer: maniac: cause just changing that distro is easier?
[17:13:00] Hoxzer: I really dunno how to change kernel and how to get this card work
[17:13:00] Hoxzer: and somebody has got it work with mythdora so why don't I just install it
[17:14:00] Hoxzer: I already tried to install some drivers but I got stuck on complining them
[17:14:00] maniacxs: Hoxzer: ok then i wish you good luck... with mythdora... a better channel for linuxtv questions should be #linuxtv
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[17:41:00] Kyler_: Anyone using ATA over Ethernet for MythTV? I just got an EtherDrive that dwarfs my little 1TB MythTV box.
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[17:44:00] drose: anyone know much about .lircrc precedence?
[17:44:00] mishehu: drose: heh, I'm not even that far with lirc...
[17:45:00] mishehu: can't get this stupid ir blaster to work.
[17:45:00] drose: if I have an irexec definition for the power button, and i am in the xine app that has a power button defined, which takes precedence?
[17:45:00] drose: mishehu, which blaster?
[17:45:00] drose: i bought one off of the web, serial version and it works great
[17:46:00] mishehu: drose: is it like the one at irblaster.info?
[17:47:00] drose: let me check
[17:47:00] drose: yes same one
[17:47:00] mishehu: ok, let me ask you this
[17:48:00] mishehu: do you have both the lirc_i2c and lirc_serial modules in the kernel, and do you also have the 8250 ones?
[17:49:00] mishehu: (note, I am running a 2.6.x kernel)
[17:50:00] drose: i think i just have lirc_serial...
[17:50:00] drose: let me look
[17:52:00] juski: laga: what does "UID0 is bad for you" mean?
[17:52:00] drose: [root@mythtv ~]# lsmod | grep lirc
[17:52:00] drose: lirc_serial 11936 0
[17:52:00] drose: lirc_mceusb 9952 1
[17:52:00] drose: lirc_dev 13508 2 lirc_serial,lirc_mceusb
[17:52:00] drose: mish: those are the modules I have loaded
[17:52:00] laga: juski: you're irc'ing as root
[17:52:00] juski: ah
[17:52:00] juski: fscking hell
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[17:53:00] drose: i dont have lirc_i2c loaded
[17:53:00] mishehu: drose: ok, then next question is, when you run irw on the instead of lirc that is running the ir blaster, does anything report back to you or does it only hang?
[17:53:00] mishehu: s/instead/instance
[17:56:00] drose: i had a problem loading the lirc_serial module
[17:56:00] drose: it would cause my box to "hang", but I think it was actually swapping
[17:56:00] drose: drive was going nuts
[17:57:00] drose: alias char-major-61–1 lirc_serial
[17:57:00] drose: options lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3f8
[17:57:00] drose: install lirc_serial setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install lirc_serial
[17:57:00] drose: #
[17:57:00] drose: it was important to have the "--ignore-install lirc_serial"
[17:57:00] drose: part
[17:57:00] drose: do you get the lirc_serial module loaded?
[17:58:00] drose: if so, you should have a /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc1
[18:00:00] mishehu: I do, though I did it without the --ignore-install
[18:00:00] drose: yea, it makes a HUGE difference
[18:00:00] drose: at least it did for me
[18:01:00] drose: my box would appear to "hang" but the drive was going like nuts
[18:01:00] drose: after you get it loaded correctly, you'll need to fire up a seperate lircd for the blaster
[18:02:00] mishehu: currently I'm just trying to get the ir blaster working by itself
[18:02:00] drose: ok, well for that blaster, you have to get the lirc_serial module loaded
[18:02:00] drose: it should load in < 1 sec
[18:02:00] drose: and should create a /dev/lirc1
[18:02:00] drose: or /dev/lirc0
[18:02:00] mishehu: lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61; lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver; lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0
[18:03:00] drose: is the /dev/ file there?
[18:03:00] mishehu: sure is.
[18:03:00] drose: good
[18:03:00] drose: is this after you did the --ignore-install?
[18:03:00] drose: ie) its not hanging anymore?
[18:03:00] mishehu: it doesn't seem to make a difference on my machine.
[18:03:00] mishehu: the machine itself doesn't hang
[18:04:00] mishehu: irw does though
[18:04:00] drose: do you have a remote definition in your /etc/lircd.conf ?
[18:04:00] mishehu: yeah, I copied it from one of the motorola remote configs as I have a motorola cablebox
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[18:05:00] drose: do a lsmod | grep lirc
[18:05:00] drose: what do you see?
[18:05:00] drose: did you verify your serial port settings?
[18:05:00] mishehu: lirc_serial 13472 0
[18:05:00] drose: apparently there are issues with lirc_serial and kernel settings at boot
[18:06:00] mishehu: well, I don't have the 8250 modules inserted at the moment.
[18:06:00] mishehu: so there is no /dev/tts/0 file.
[18:06:00] drose: setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none;
[18:06:00] drose: hence the need for that
[18:06:00] drose: what is the 8250 mod?
[18:06:00] drose: i dont have one
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[18:07:00] mishehu: 8250 is the standard serial port driver
[18:07:00] drose: hmm
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[18:07:00] mishehu: I don't have any ttyS#'s without it in the kernel.
[18:07:00] drose: perhaps mine is not a module, but compiled in
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[18:09:00] mishehu: it could be
[18:09:00] mishehu: I'm honestly not sure what this install command is supposed to do, because it does something completely different on slackware.
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[18:10:00] drose: hmm
[18:10:00] drose: do you load the 8250 module before lirc_serial?
[18:10:00] mishehu: It doesn't seem to matter if I do it before or after, the results are the same.
[18:11:00] drose: do you do the setserial cmd?
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[18:11:00] mishehu: yeah
[18:12:00] Dagmar: Ummm... /dev/tts?
[18:12:00] mishehu: it reports uart as "unknown" which is the same as "none" as far as I can tell. (I did try explicitly setting it to none, but it always reports none)
[18:12:00] mishehu: Dagmar: /dev/ttyS0 on udev is just a symlink to /dev/tts/0
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[18:13:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but this is a normal 16550 serial port, right?
[18:13:00] juski: hahaha.. oh dear.. my keyboard preferences mean that when I log into my machine over vnc, I can't get a hash key. oopsie
[18:14:00] mishehu: Dagmar: normally it would be, yes.
[18:14:00] mishehu: wait a minute. lirc0 is 61,0. if I read that alias line correctly, should it be 61,1 ?
[18:16:00] drose: alias char-major-61–1 lirc_serial
[18:16:00] drose: is what i have
[18:16:00] Dagmar: mishenu: You've got a PCI card pretending to be one? If it's a 9/25 pin serial port it's a normal UART
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[18:17:00] Dagmar: mishehu: Because basically, I'm doing this on Slackware, and I just run setup.sh in the lirc tarball and let it pick the defaults.
[18:17:00] Dagmar: So far, kmod has been loading the right things for me without _any_ prompting on my part
[18:18:00] mishehu: Dagmar: no pci card. I have com1 enabled in the bios, and I've got this ir blaster hooked into it.
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[18:19:00] mishehu: Dagmar: when you run lircd --driver=? what does yours report as having? mine only says "default"
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[18:20:00] Dagmar: I build mine for the logitech dongle.
[18:21:00] Dagmar: It doesn't even require a kernel module.
[18:22:00] Dagmar: You *might* want to try using setup.sh
[18:22:00] mishehu: I did.
[18:23:00] mishehu: the only settings I wasn't sure about was software carrier and igor ceska's variation
[18:23:00] mishehu: I left them at their default settings
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[18:24:00] Dagmar: Hmm
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[18:28:00] mishehu: Dagmar: what ver of slack you running?
[18:29:00] Dagmar: 10.2
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: That reminds me, they sent me two copies of 10.2. I should email them about that
[18:30:00] mishehu: Dagmar: you got a slackware package of your build of lirc?
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[18:35:00] Dagmar: Nope
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[18:35:00] Dagmar: I didn't see a lot of point in it since the thing needs to be customized most of the time
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[18:37:00] mishehu: Dagmar: I always make packages to facilitate easy updating or uninstalling.
[18:37:00] mishehu: I tried to build lirc with all drivers, but it failed on something about hiddev, so I limited it to just the serial device I selected
[18:37:00] Dagmar: Good for you.
[18:37:00] Dagmar: For lirc, I don't bother
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[18:40:00] mishehu: well, I donno for sure if lircd --driver=? should only respond as "default"
[18:41:00] Dagmar: If you told it that when you built it
[18:41:00] mishehu: telling it and having it build properly are sometimes two different things
[18:42:00] mishehu: in other words, I want to be able to verify that it built according to the configuration it shoudl have had.
[18:45:00] Dagmar: Then write a better package building script
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[18:46:00] mishehu: uhm.
[18:46:00] mishehu: I don't think you get it.
[18:47:00] mishehu: this has nothing to do with building the package itself.
[18:47:00] mishehu: I'm talking about whether the software COMPILED the way it was CONFIGURED to do so.
[18:51:00] xris: Chutt: enjoy the time off
[18:52:00] Dagmar: I think you need to reassess your "verify that it built according to the configuration it should have had" statement
[18:52:00] Dagmar: If *you* built it, then you should either *know* how it built, or you built it haphazardly.
[18:53:00] mishehu: Dagmar: you assume that all software does as you tell it.
[18:53:00] Dagmar: No, I know it does as I tell it.
[18:53:00] mishehu: I've had software in the past that had buggy configure scripts.
[18:54:00] Dagmar: The moment you get the idea that the computer is making up it's own instructions, it's time to take up painting.
[18:54:00] mishehu: and despite telling it to disable something, it continued to try to use it. for example.
[18:54:00] Dagmar: Yeah, well, you're not me. If I suspect there's a bug in a configure script, I look at it to see
[18:54:00] drose: anyone here a .lircrc expert?
[18:54:00] mishehu: Dagmar: good for you
[18:54:00] mishehu: you know what? SO DO I
[18:55:00] Dagmar: Then chill out already.
[18:55:00] mishehu: I've been using slackware since just a few months after it BECAME slackware. I am not an idiot. stop talking to me like I am.
[18:55:00] Dagmar: Guess what. So have I.
[18:55:00] mishehu: I do believe I am raising legitimate concerns.
[18:56:00] Dagmar: Then UTSL already and quit trying to take it out on other people
[18:56:00] mishehu: if samba were to misconfigure on copmilation, I'd be able to tell because I've been using it for years. lirc on the other hand, I cannot as I have not touched it until now.
[18:57:00] drose: seems weird tho, i wouldnt think the linux distro would make any difference as far as lircd was concerned
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[18:58:00] mishehu: Dagmar: simply don't help me if you think I am abusing you. And for the record, I think you were talking to me like I was a newbie without a clue that came in here to piss off people like Chutt.
[18:58:00] Dagmar: Actually, I just think you have a massive chip on your shoulder
[18:59:00] mishehu: think what you like to think. the only "chip" I have on my shoulder is not being able to change the channel on this dumb comcast cable box. I have no chip on my shoulder to anybody here.
[18:59:00] Dagmar: You could have solved your own problem three times over in the amount of time it's taking you to bitch at someone else.
[18:59:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:59:00] mishehu: drose: well, I'm not sure what that install program that is listed in those scripts that you also referenced is... on slackware it appears to be similar to installpkg, which installs packages.
[19:00:00] mishehu: Dagmar: I'm not bitching at anybody.
[19:00:00] mishehu: I do recall working with drose on this step-by-step from his/her experience to get it to work on mine.
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[19:02:00] mishehu: the first time I set up mythtv on my system it took about a week to get it fully functional (minus lirc). nowadays, it takes me a matter of a couple hours to reload a box from scratch and have mythtv running on it.
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[19:02:00] mishehu: hell, it might have actually taken me 2 weeks, because I remember not having a clue about ivtv.
[19:03:00] mishehu: drose: I forgot, when you run irw on the lirc device that is connected to your ir blaster, does irw report back any information?
[19:03:00] Dagmar: Well, when you start reading source, you might get that time down some
[19:03:00] Dagmar: You won't get much done just complaining
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[19:04:00] mishehu: Dagmar: do you honestly read the source of every porgram you install on your machine?
[19:05:00] mishehu: I normally do not, as I am normally working on my own source for my own projects and simply do not have the time.
[19:06:00] kormoc: can we stop this? this is getting nowhere.
[19:06:00] mishehu: kormoc: agreed.
[19:06:00] ** mishehu stops. **
[19:06:00] Goose-Npa: is there a way to manually delete a show and let the backend know you deleted it ?
[19:06:00] Dagmar: mishenu: When I suspect it's doing something other than what I think it should be doing, yes
[19:07:00] kormoc: Goose-Npa, sure, but not simple, no
[19:08:00] Dark`-`: is 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram good enough to watch livetv with mythtv?
[19:08:00] mishehu: that being said, is anybody familiar with any alternative motorola digital cable boxes that Ican use with comcast cable that might have a direct serial or some other method not requiring lirc to change channels?
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[19:08:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: what captuer card?
[19:08:00] Dark`-`: wintv-go plus
[19:08:00] Dark`-`: not hw encoding
[19:08:00] Dark`-`: v4l software
[19:09:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: hmm... that I'm not sure. I have run a pvr250 on a pIII-800 before, and livetv was perfectly fine.
[19:09:00] Dark`-`: what about recording?
[19:09:00] kormoc: Dark`-`, playback also depends on your videocard
[19:09:00] Dark`-`: gf3
[19:09:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: That should be ok assuming you aren't doing too much more in the background
[19:09:00] ** kormoc nods **
[19:09:00] Dark`-`: nah not doing much else except this
[19:09:00] kormoc: should work out then
[19:10:00] Dark`-`: thanks
[19:11:00] mishehu: how about this.... I don't see any links to an irc channel for lirc on the lirc web page. I tried to go in #lirc here but it's pretty empty and no topic to identify if that's the lirc specific channel
[19:11:00] mishehu: anybody know if there is one?
[19:12:00] Krazylegz: I don't believe there is an lirc-specific channel.
[19:13:00] mishehu: hmmm. shame.
[19:13:00] Dark`-`: u having a problem with lirc?
[19:14:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: yeah, I compared notes with drose and I seem to have everything set up the same. (want to switch channels on the cablebox), but I get no ir activity on my ir blaster. (tried the digicam method)
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[19:16:00] Dark`-`: do you have an ir receiver?
[19:16:00] Dark`-`: or just blaster?
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[19:17:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: currently just an ir blaster.
[19:17:00] mishehu: I figured I'd get one device working before I even worry about another.
[19:17:00] Dark`-`: oh you tried taking a picture of it to see if it was on?
[19:17:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: *nod*
[19:17:00] Dark`-`: ah, hmm
[19:18:00] mishehu: I even did it in a dark room, since xris told me the diode is about 50x dimmer than a typical remote
[19:18:00] Dark`-`: oh you have the standard lirc blaster?
[19:18:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: mine looks identical to the one on irblaster.info.
[19:19:00] Dark`-`: i got mine working after running irw but im not sure where it goes
[19:19:00] mishehu: though I'd have to dig thru paypal to find out where I actually bought it from.
[19:19:00] Dark`-`: doesnt show up anywhere
[19:19:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: from what I understand on reading the docs other ppl have written, after lircd is running, if I run irw on it, I should see some output back immediately
[19:20:00] Dark`-`: didnt happen to me until my ir receiver received signals
[19:20:00] drose: mish: do you have the lircd daemon running on the /dev/lirc0 lirc_serial created?
[19:21:00] mishehu: drose: correct.
[19:22:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: ah, so no way to verify if a transmitter is working with irw.
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[19:22:00] mishehu: hmm.
[19:22:00] drose: lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc1 --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid
[19:23:00] Dark`-`: i dont think so
[19:23:00] Dark`-`: it only prints received signals to stdout
[19:24:00] Dark`-`: not transmitted
[19:24:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: ah ok, so I shouldn't worry about that I guess. heh.
[19:24:00] xris: mishehu: only the digicam trick, and only with that on-off-on-off tester script.
[19:24:00] Dark`-`: or, with ur cable box lol
[19:25:00] Dark`-`: if it changes channels then ur all set :)
[19:25:00] mishehu: xris: I looked on losdos, don't recall seeing the "on-off" tester
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[19:25:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: if it changed channels I'd be much happier.  ;-)
[19:25:00] xris: Dark`-`: well, if the software is configured. proper testing procedures say you should eliminate problems one by one.. first, make sure the hardware works
[19:26:00] Dark`-`: well that script is software
[19:26:00] Dark`-`: and the remote is still controlled by the software
[19:26:00] Dark`-`: unless you can short a pin somewhere to have it constantly
[19:26:00] xris: mishehu: on the losdos page, search for "The following shell command will cause the IR (or visible LED) to blink every second until <ctrl-c> is pressed"
[19:27:00] xris: so I guess that's not on-off, but "send a signal every second"
[19:27:00] mishehu: xris: searching
[19:27:00] mishehu: ok, found it
[19:28:00] xris: mishehu: anyway, I guess that still means you'll need to know that the software is up and running.
[19:29:00] xris: for some reason I had remembered it being something that would just send a signal straight to the serial port bypassing lirc altogether.
[19:30:00] mishehu: what is the difference between the serial and the sir drivers?
[19:31:00] Dark`-`: oh it probably does that then xris
[19:31:00] xris: Dark`-`: no, not the one at losdos. it just sends "2" every second via lirc
[19:31:00] mishehu: because I will note that I've come across two documents about the ir blaster, one says to use the lirc_serial, and losdos says to use the lirc_sir
[19:33:00] xris: no clue. I use serial.. exactly how the losdos site says (I have Dish, so it was straightforward for me)
[19:33:00] Dark`-`: i got my ir receiver working fine, i just gotta set up my blaster somehow
[19:34:00] Dark`-`: been too busy to do it :\
[19:34:00] mishehu: xris: yeah, section 8.7 on losdos says to use lirc_sir for ir blaster...
[19:34:00] xris: ah
[19:34:00] xris: I'd trust them, then.. (mine's homemade)
[19:36:00] Dark`-`: i bought the parts to make the hi-power one
[19:36:00] Dark`-`: then found out my tuner came with a blaster and receiver lol
[19:37:00] ** xris ponders relicensing mythweb's javascript code as LGPL **
[19:37:00] Dark`-`: how is mythweb? i just emerged it last night
[19:37:00] xris: I like it.
[19:37:00] xris: well, sort of.
[19:37:00] Krazylegz: xris wouldn't know. :-P
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[19:37:00] Dark`-`: lol
[19:37:00] xris: I have a love-hate relationship with most of my code.
[19:37:00] Dark`-`: haha
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: u wrote it?
[19:38:00] xris: most of it
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: nice
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: well im gunna be using it a lot im sure :)
[19:38:00] mishehu: woops dammi,t that wasn't losdos that said to use the sir, it was mythtv itself
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: my gf lives in another apartment and i needed a way for her to pick shows to record and such
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: i assume it can do that right?
[19:38:00] Dark`-`: if not, i might be helping with some dev work ;)
[19:38:00] xris: Dark`-`: yeah. just make sure you enable authentication
[19:39:00] Dark`-`: default its open?
[19:39:00] mishehu: donno why irsend doesn't want to accept SEND_ONCE JVC_RAW 2...
[19:39:00] xris: yes
[19:39:00] Dark`-`: cuz i emerged it last night :-x :)
[19:39:00] Dark`-`: haha, ok i gotta change that then
[19:39:00] xris: mishehu: did you install the JVC_RAW profile?
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[19:39:00] mishehu: xris: oh, I have to copy that from the remotes dir?
[19:40:00] mishehu: I thought it was just some raw format that didn't need a config
[19:40:00] xris: mishehu: that's the codeset for controlling a dishnetwork receiver
[19:41:00] xris: you should take everything at the losdos site, but substitute in the codes for your cable box instead of the jvc stuff
[19:43:00] Dark`-`: damn the documentation on mythtv.org isn't in sync with mythweb
[19:44:00] mishehu: xris: found it.
[19:46:00] cougar_: is it possible to use epg colorcodes with listings from grabbers also or not?
[19:46:00] cougar_: I get categories from grabber but eveything is still plain in epg ;-(
[19:47:00] mishehu: interesting.
[19:47:00] mishehu: /usr/bin/irsend: transmission failed
[20:02:00] mishehu: welp, I have it running with two of the motorola files, but the camera still does not detect anything. perhaps I have a defective ir blaster?
[20:03:00] Dark`-`: well its not probable, but its possible
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[20:04:00] Dark`-`: you bought it assembled right?
[20:09:00] mishehu: yeah
[20:09:00] mishehu: I'd have to look up where I got it from. it was over a year ago at least
[20:11:00] mishehu: I wonder about this firewire option. it seems that fcc ruled that I should be able to obtain a cable box with a working firewire on it from comcast. some people have reported being able to capture their channels of of the firewire. I don't know about channel changing.
[20:11:00] xris: mishehu: do you pay for HD content?
[20:12:00] mishehu: xris: I do not have hd no.
[20:12:00] mishehu: is that the stipulation? need to have an hdtv account with them?
[20:12:00] xris: then the firewire thing doesn't apply
[20:12:00] ** mishehu grumbles. **
[20:12:00] xris: the firewire bit is to guarantee that paying HD customers can still get at in-the-clear SD signals.
[20:13:00] Dark`-`: xris: if i ran htpasswd2 like it says in the doc is it locked down now?
[20:13:00] mishehu: I'd have hdtv already if the asshole content cartels would STOP trying to ramrod the broadcast flag down us every possible way.
[20:14:00] xris: Dark`-`: dunno, I've never read the docs
[20:14:00] xris: you have to set up an htpasswd file (or better yet, htdigest), and then enable it in the included .htaccess file
[20:14:00] Dark`-`: aight
[20:18:00] mishehu: I can't believe I'm using my old hp48g to irsample to see if I get anything out of this ir blaster.
[20:19:00] xris: haha. that's an idea
[20:19:00] mishehu: and the result is consistent. nothing.
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[20:19:00] Dark`-`: the cable hooked up tight? :)
[20:19:00] mishehu: and hte hp48g works, I sampled keypresses on 3 other remotes beforehand.
[20:19:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: except for the internals, which I have not looked at since I don't have soldering iron or stuff like that
[20:20:00] Dark`-`: ah, yea it would help if u had a multimeter
[20:20:00] mishehu: I'll have stop by work and grab one.
[20:21:00] mishehu: though if there was something just as "easy" to set up that worked and was available at Fry's, I'd just get a replacement and save myself the headache.
[20:21:00] Dark`-`: maybe for like $50
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[20:24:00] mishehu: Dark`-`: that's fine by me at this point.
[20:24:00] mishehu: that would be about a half hours worth of labor.
[20:25:00] Dark`-`: yea but the point of using mythtv is so its free :)
[20:25:00] Dark`-`: if it wasnt i'd just get a tivo
[20:25:00] mishehu: mythtv isn't free in your interpretation ;-)
[20:25:00] Dark`-`: bleh ;)
[20:25:00] mishehu: you still need the equipment to run it on and the capture cards.
[20:25:00] Dark`-`: yea yea, i know, im tired
[20:25:00] Dark`-`: hehe
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[20:26:00] mishehu: I want free as in "after capital expenditures, have full complete control"
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[20:26:00] mishehu: tivo does not give you that.
[20:26:00] Dark`-`: yep
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[20:30:00] drose: mish: still not workin?
[20:30:00] drose: what happens if you strace irw?
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[20:30:00] drose: whats it doin?
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[20:30:00] mishehu: I wish it was just possible to get rid of the cablebox and just have a digital cable card instead.
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[20:31:00] mishehu: drose connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/lircd"}, 110) = 0
[20:31:00] mishehu: read(3, <unfinished ...>
[20:31:00] mishehu: so it's opening the right thing up for read.
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[20:33:00] mishehu: anyway, I'm annoyed enough for now, think I'll get some lunch.
[20:33:00] mishehu: thanks for the help thus far, guys.
[20:34:00] drose: yup..good luck
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[20:37:00] drose: what player are ppl using for dvd's? xine?
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: I think most are
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[20:40:00] drose: need to fix my .lircrc to get a button to exit xine
[20:40:00] drose: right now, I have to ssh in and kill the proc
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: that would suck :)
[20:41:00] malaTG: Is ther any good guide on how nuvexport works don't get the documentation on the home page still a beginner :-)
[20:41:00] xris: malaTG: install, run
[20:41:00] xris: not really much to it
[20:41:00] xris: the nuvexportrc file documents most of the available options
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[20:42:00] malaTG: oki If i remeber correctly you wrote it xris right? :-)
[20:43:00] xris: yup
[20:43:00] malaTG: cool! Can I automagically go from a nuv mpeg2 to a avi xvid and remove the commercials within myth in one step?
[20:45:00] Dark`-`: i would hope so
[20:45:00] Dark`-`: cuz my comp is gunna die trying to do that in 1 step
[20:46:00] malaTG: oki sounds good... looks like an all nighter for me thx a lot for the help! I must say that the mythtv community is really helpful!
[20:47:00] Dark`-`: well i dont know that it does or not lol
[20:47:00] Dark`-`: im just saying i hope so cuz my comp isnt fast :)
[20:47:00] Dark`-`: and yea theres a lot of help in here
[20:47:00] Goose-Npa: lol
[20:47:00] Goose-Npa: malaTG: yes nuvexport does that
[20:48:00] Goose-Npa: its a bitch to get working
[20:48:00] Goose-Npa: but works well once you get it runnin
[20:48:00] Dark`-`: i deal with bitches all the time, should be no problem
[20:48:00] malaTG: ok like a challenge :-)
[20:48:00] Goose-Npa: you cant watch xvid on dvd players though
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: huh? How is it difficult to get working? Or do you mean because you require tools like ffmpeg/transcode etc to do the actual transcoding ?
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: Goose-Npa: Mine does ;)
[20:49:00] Dark`-`: yea there are ways to do that
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: more and more have mpeg4 decoders now
[20:49:00] Dark`-`: my mp3 player plays xvid ;)
[20:49:00] Dark`-`: its awesome for the gym
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: Mine has played all but 1 file that I've tried
[20:49:00] Dark`-`: i watch tv while running or biking
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: Cool. What player ?
[20:49:00] Dark`-`: iAudio X5L
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: that would be sweet :)
[20:49:00] malaTG: I have got the transcoding to work i myth so that I get mpeg4 nuv files....Why isn't the transcoding to avi built into myth?
[20:50:00] Dark`-`: its awesome
[20:50:00] Dark`-`: 35ish hours for audio playback
[20:50:00] Dark`-`: like 8–10 for video i beleive
[20:50:00] Dark`-`: its perfect for watching tv on the go, u can watch movies too
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: malaTG: Because the authors dislike avi files.
[20:50:00] malaTG: ahhhhh
[20:50:00] Dark`-`: but with a 1.8" screen u gotta make sure it will be close to you :)
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[20:51:00] Goose-Npa: GreyFoxx: getting those other programs to work
[20:51:00] Goose-Npa: nuvexport isn't the hassle
[20:51:00] Goose-Npa: i still haven't been able to get it to wrok
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: Goose-Npa: I've never found them to be much more than ./configure;make;make install Unless I needed a specific feature compiled in
[20:51:00] Goose-Npa: because i cant get ffmpeg installed
[20:52:00] Goose-Npa: yea i did that still no luck
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: do you prescale them to a low res or will the device handle all of that in hardware ?
[20:53:00] Dark`-`: well
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, only up to 15fps ? :)
[20:53:00] Dark`-`: its 160x128
[20:53:00] Dark`-`: yea 15fps lol
[20:53:00] Dark`-`: looks fine to me, but dont watch high-speed action movies ;)
[20:54:00] Dark`-`: even then its ok but its a sacrafice at 15fps
[20:54:00] Dark`-`: its perfect for most tv shows though
[20:54:00] ** GreyFoxx would like to pick up a portable video player with a little bigger screen, that can handle 30fps, and preferably with tvout if I want to jack it into someones TV **
[20:55:00] Dark`-`: lol yea
[20:55:00] Dark`-`: this thing i mainly got to play music, its abotu the same size as a normal ipod
[20:55:00] Dark`-`: theres an iPod video now but i heard it kinda sucks
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: The Archos players look nice
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: interesting the archos will record too
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: and has tvout.... looks like this might be what I want
[20:56:00] Dark`-`: nice
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: Don;t really need the recording, but it's not a bad thing to have available
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: Man, make that into a WifiPDA+Cell and I'd be in heaven
[20:59:00] Dark`-`: lol
[20:59:00] Dark`-`: thats why i work for the company trying to make that possible ;)
[21:00:00] Dark`-`: although they arent doing a great job of it yet haha
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: What company (I understand if you'd rather not say)
[21:00:00] Dark`-`: motorola
[21:00:00] Dark`-`: not the settop box side, im in the networking division
[21:01:00] Dark`-`: cable routers, the ones comcast use, not home ones
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: A Wifi PDA + Cell with bluetooth, and a nice widescreen+touchscreen videoplayer with 100G of space would be insane
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: Use it as a USB drive, mp3 player, cell, pda, etc etc
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[21:01:00] Dark`-`: lol
[21:01:00] Dark`-`: will happen soon enough
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: Something like the oqo but with all of the abilities I just described heh
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: just in the $600 and down pricerange heh
[21:02:00] Dark`-`: lol
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: and of course if it's a recorder it should have a lens for pics/recording videos :)
[21:03:00] ** GreyFoxx likes to daydream **
[21:04:00] Dark`-`: it should do my laundry too
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: Nah, everything I describe is possible, just not in that cheap pricerange :)
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[21:11:00] MohShami: hey guys, is there a way to import my channels.conf file to myth, I can view channels with xine and mplayer but I don't have a valid video source, can someone point me to a place??
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[21:13:00] sphing: how can i use mythname.pl to get a list of all my recording
[21:14:00] GreyFoxx: I know I've seen some sort of vdr2myth type scripts around but I don't have a link to one
[21:14:00] sphing: because I discovered that there are files in my recordings directory that I thought i had deleted months ago
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[21:15:00] sphing: ls -1 | mythname.pl isnt working I need to pipe one line at a time.. i dont know how to do that
[21:15:00] GreyFoxx: xargs is your friend
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know anything about "mythname.pl"
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: But ls *.nuv | xargs -n 1 mythname.pl
[21:16:00] sphing: mmm.. xargs ok ill play
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: But if it's not listed in your recordings it likely wont find anything find anything for them in the database
[21:17:00] Dark`-`: if i want to run mythfrontend on this box do i have to do it on the local console?
[21:17:00] Dark`-`: i know i can load it through x
[21:17:00] sphing: well then ill know which ones need to be manually deleted
[21:18:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: actually the data for the deleted files are there
[21:19:00] GreyFoxx: Dark`-`: What exactly are you trying to do ?
[21:20:00] smoke_: anyone here using unichrome drivers?
[21:21:00] GreyFoxx: Eventually someone will need to update mythname as it wont work with any of the new names
[21:21:00] Dark`-`: well im not totally sure what i need to do lol
[21:21:00] Dark`-`: basically i want to start evilWM through an ssh session
[21:21:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[21:21:00] GreyFoxx: export DISPLAY=:0
[21:21:00] GreyFoxx: startx
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: from the ssh session
[21:22:00] Dark`-`: that will load it on the actual box so i dont have to use xwindows?
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: that will start Xwindows on the box you are ssh'd into
[21:22:00] Dark`-`: ok
[21:22:00] Dark`-`: thats what i needed then, i have video out going to my tv so that should be good :)
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: As for evilWM you would have to make sure that is the window manager that X would l,oad
[21:23:00] Dark`-`: yea i set it all up
[21:23:00] Dark`-`: just wasnt sure which display to use
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[21:24:00] Dark`-`: its set to localhost:10.0 and that sends it to my pc on the other end of the ssh
[21:24:00] Dark`-`: so ill change that to start evilWM, thx
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: that is ssh X forwarding
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: you just need to reset it to :0
[21:24:00] Dark`-`: kk
[21:25:00] MohShami: GreyFoxx: I checked and found zap2myth, I added a channel to the database, what now? I can't view it with mythfrontend
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[21:26:00] GreyFoxx: MohShami: I've never attempted to just import channels from another source
[21:27:00] MohShami: GreyFoxx: when I checked mythsetup I found the channel in the channel editor, do you have any idea what I should do next?
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[21:27:00] GreyFoxx: I assume you have properly setup the source (and the channels were assigned to that source), setup myth to know about the card, and then ensure that the video source was tied to the card
[21:27:00] MohShami: the sources here do not support my country
[21:28:00] MohShami: so I didn't use any video sources
[21:28:00] GreyFoxx: You have to make one
[21:28:00] GreyFoxx: It doesn't need to use one of the grabbers
[21:28:00] GreyFoxx: just make one, ensure that your channels are imported and assigned to that source
[21:28:00] GreyFoxx: then connect to the source to the card
[21:29:00] MohShami: *checking it out*
[21:30:00] MohShami: GreyFoxx: nice: tv_grab_de_tvtoday: No such file or directory
[21:30:00] MohShami: that's the output of mythfilldatabase
[21:30:00] GreyFoxx: You just said that you don't have a source that applies to your country
[21:30:00] GreyFoxx: So why would you run mythfilldatabase ?
[21:31:00] MohShami: oh
[21:31:00] GreyFoxx: Is there an XMLTV grabber that can retrieve your listings/channels ?
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[21:33:00] MohShami: GreyFoxx: there isn't one in the mythtv list, but I have configured my channels.conf file from lyngsat
[21:33:00] MohShami: using information from lyngsat*
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[21:40:00] MohShami: GreyFoxx: what should I do with the .xmltv file?
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[21:48:00] Patang: Anyone know if there is a way to remotecontrol mythmusic from another computer? Without running mythfrontend on it..
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[21:49:00] GreyFoxx: There isn't unless you use lirc and transmit commands over the network
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[21:51:00] Patang: Was hoping someone had come up with a webinterface or something like that :)
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[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: Not that I've ever heard tell of
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[21:54:00] Patang: Me neither, so wasnt very hopefull. Thanks anyway
[21:54:00] GreyFoxx: Now is your chance to be the first to make one! :)
[21:55:00] Patang: hehe, you never know. Might give it a try :)
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[22:15:00] fman: can anyone recomend a good cheap and quiet pc powersupply
[22:16:00] Juski: fman.. good & cheap with PC PSUs is something of a contradiction in terms
[22:16:00] fman: I was waiting for that
[22:16:00] Juski: as for quiet..
[22:16:00] fman: :)
[22:16:00] fman: ok not super cheap then
[22:17:00] Juski: aim for about mid-range :)
[22:18:00] fman: trying to build a quiet pc for under the tv
[22:18:00] fman: as we all are no doubt
[22:18:00] kormoc: fman, vantec stealths tend to be okay
[22:18:00] Juski: fman... I've got one, but the backend machine is a noisy beast
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[22:19:00] fman: how about the thermaltake silent purepowers ?
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[22:20:00] Juski: the one thing I'll say about 'quiet' PSUs is do **not** under any circumstances believe specs
[22:21:00] fman: ok
[22:21:00] fman: hard to guage I guess unless you can see them going
[22:21:00] fman: hear them going too
[22:21:00] Juski: I took a 'silent' PSU home to test.. ambient in my living room is 25dBA
[22:22:00] fman: I think my living room is a little quieter than most
[22:22:00] Juski: so it's got to be 28dBA or less before it becomes noticable
[22:23:00] mandyblock: do you have a gauge to measure the dba in your living room?
[22:23:00] fman: nope
[22:24:00] fman: would be a good idea to get one
[22:24:00] Juski: put it this way.. I had to put a huge heatsink on my EPIA M-10000 motherboard so I could no longer hear it, and the fan on the orignal HS is rated at 25dB
[22:24:00] Juski: I borrowed one from work
[22:24:00] fman: I don't think I have any at work
[22:24:00] fman: everything but
[22:24:00] Juski: you can get a reasonable one for not much money :)
[22:25:00] fman: I'll keep an eye out
[22:25:00] mandyblock: I'd like to design a server room where all the equipment is liquid cooled
[22:25:00] fman: well, I've got a server rack under the stairs
[22:25:00] mandyblock: there would be a huge radiator ontop the roof, and hose hookups along the walls in the room
[22:25:00] fman: which you cant hear when the door is shut
[22:25:00] Juski: fman – if you have a Radio Shack near you they'll probably still sell them
[22:26:00] kormoc: mandyblock, until it gets hot outside? :P
[22:26:00] Juski: and some home theatre suppliers let you hire ;)
[22:26:00] mandyblock: it would have an A/C unit on it
[22:26:00] kormoc: mandyblock, realistically, it would be better to put it in the basement, where the ambient tempt is always lower then outside temp
[22:27:00] mandyblock: how about geothermal, it could run through pipes in the parkinglot underground
[22:28:00] kormoc: you don't want to go too deep, cause it'll get warmer again. Geothermal is bringing heat up from the deep.
[22:28:00] mandyblock: right, I'll be just below the frost line
[22:28:00] Juski: a few feet down is enough to get a sizable temp. rise if the surface area is big enough
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[22:29:00] mandyblock: quit finding flaws in my server room design
[22:29:00] kormoc: mandyblock, well, you'll also have to watch out to keep it warm enough during the winter, can't let it freeze up
[22:29:00] kormoc: heh
[22:29:00] mandyblock: I'll run antifreeze in the lines
[22:29:00] Juski: sticking to realistic propositions for case cooling, though.. go as big as you can for fans
[22:29:00] kormoc: then you're cooling ability will decrease...
[22:30:00] mandyblock: by a very small factor
[22:30:00] kormoc: no, not really
[22:30:00] mandyblock: alcohol has less heat capacity than water?
[22:30:00] kormoc: antifreeze sucks for cooling.
[22:31:00] kormoc: yes, it does
[22:31:00] Juski: you can do wonders with ducting too ;)
[22:31:00] mandyblock: naw, my plan is all hydrolic
[22:32:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:32:00] kormoc: how would hydrolics help in this case?
[22:32:00] kormoc: wanna pimp out the computer case so it moves up and down?
[22:32:00] mandyblock: oh, nevermine I'm still dreaming my plan
[22:32:00] Juski: if you don't mind having a big tower in the livingroom go with something like a zalman water cooler
[22:33:00] Juski: never liked the idea of water cooling though – at least not the domestic stuff. failing fans are bad enough
[22:33:00] mandyblock: use those ammonia coolers like are on the alaskan pipeline
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[22:34:00] mishehu: bah.
[22:34:00] Juski: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031230/index.html
[22:35:00] Juski: way to cool yer CPU ^^^
[22:37:00] mandyblock: that void the warrenty?
[22:37:00] kormoc: http://www.overclockers.com/tips883/
[22:37:00] kormoc: there ya go
[22:37:00] kormoc: cooling water bong
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[22:38:00] Juski: lol !
[22:39:00] Juski: that's one schmokin system
[22:40:00] mishehu: bah. I only have one other machine in the house that has a serial port on it...
[22:41:00] Juski: good plan, having the gauze over the top to stop flies & stuff getting into the water ;)
[22:41:00] mishehu: or birds... it would make a hot springs bird bath otherwise
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[22:43:00] Juski: bong coolers.. wtf will those krazy kids come up with next?
[22:45:00] mishehu: probably a new way to pirate our content.
[22:45:00] kormoc: I didn't know mishehu was a riaa goon
[22:46:00] mishehu: *sqwak* pirate pirate *whistle*
[22:46:00] Juski: quick! hide the stash of DVD-R discs!
[22:46:00] Juski: close the bittorrent ports!
[22:46:00] kormoc: batter down the daemons!
[22:46:00] Juski: avast ye TV program sharers, arrrrr
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[22:55:00] Juski: hmm this is annoying. nvidia drivers for windows allow you to centre the display on the tv output.. their linux drivers don't.. nor is there anything in nvidia-settings (or its source) to allow this :(
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[22:57:00] ByteNik: Is the air2pc scan working?
[22:57:00] ByteNik: b/c I do a full scan, and it freezes on the first channel it gets a lock on.
[22:57:00] ByteNik: I have to kill the mythtv-setup program
[22:58:00] mishehu: bah.
[22:58:00] mishehu: ok, I'm much more convinced now that this ir blaster is broken.
[22:58:00] mishehu: I slapped it on another machine, same results... nothing.
[22:58:00] ByteNik: I thought it was a result of changes dopester originally made to my install to get QAM working for the first time for everyone...
[22:59:00] ByteNik: but I completely started from scratch with new kernel, dvb-kernel, and dvb-apps
[22:59:00] Juski: mishehu: have you got a digital camera, phone camera, camcorder, or webcam?
[22:59:00] ByteNik: still the same issue.
[23:00:00] Juski: mishehu.. point a ccd or cmos camera at the IR emitter while it's supposed to be zapping.. if you see light from its LED (with the help of the camera).. then it's working :)
[23:02:00] mishehu: Juski: I have even better than that... a program on my old hp48g calculator will allow me to sample any ir device.
[23:02:00] mishehu: I get nothing from it.
[23:04:00] Juski: have you confirmed the calculator is working with an IR remote?
[23:04:00] Juski: just me being picky
[23:05:00] ByteNik: anyone able to help me?
[23:06:00] mishehu: Juski: duh. of course I did, the calculator has been sitting around collecting dust for a couple years.  ;-)
[23:06:00] Juski: yelling won't make it so, ByteNik ;)
[23:06:00] mishehu: in fact, I just did so to test out my audigy remote
[23:06:00] ByteNik: yelling?
[23:06:00] Juski: okee then mishehu
[23:07:00] ByteNik: i'm 99.9% sure i'm in lowercase, though trillian might be having a fun time doing its own thing
[23:07:00] ByteNik: it wouldn't be the first time
[23:07:00] kormoc: ByteNik, you are in lowercase
[23:07:00] Juski: ByteNik.. don't expect quick answers.. or even expect answers :)
[23:08:00] ByteNik: Juski: I'm well aware of that, having been helping out and such in this channel since early 2003.
[23:08:00] ByteNik: Juski: Its just possible for people to miss a question.
[23:08:00] Juski: alright I'll shut up
[23:08:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:11:00] mishehu: hmm... it's a shame I dont' know what lirc driver to build for this sensor on my sblive audigy platinum livedrive
[23:11:00] ByteNik: heh, dopesters not around nearly as much as he used to be
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[23:14:00] Juski: oh shit. damn power cable. looks like I'll have to start compiling again
[23:14:00] xris: he's been working a lot
[23:14:00] ByteNik: ahh
[23:14:00] ByteNik: xris: i've searched the mailing lists, and everything points to channel scans working.
[23:14:00] ByteNik: xris: am I wrong? Its me, right?
[23:14:00] xris: and got pissed at one of the devs for checking in a bunch of dvb code that he thinks will break a lot of stuff.
[23:14:00] ByteNik: :-/
[23:14:00] xris: ByteNik: worked fine with my air2pc card
[23:15:00] ByteNik: xris: I thought it was QAM at first, but I then tried an atsc scan and had the same issue.
[23:15:00] Chutt: well, dopester stopped working on stuff before that.
[23:15:00] ByteNik: Chutt: Why?
[23:15:00] Chutt: because he was doing other stuff, apparently.
[23:15:00] ByteNik: Ah... that's a pity.
[23:15:00] ByteNik: he was really good at what he did.
[23:15:00] xris: Chutt: yes. but he apparently still feels strongly about the code.
[23:16:00] Chutt: and large sections of his code have serious issues, that daniel's _still_ fixing.
[23:16:00] Chutt: i really should have reviewed things more.
[23:16:00] xris: no doubt. I think he's just upset that he feels daniel doesn't know enough about dvb, and his cleanup is going to break some low level dvb stuff or something.
[23:16:00] xris: dunno, it's all over my head.
[23:17:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[23:17:00] Chutt: stuff's working better, for the most part.
[23:17:00] xris: then it's all good
[23:17:00] Chutt: it's faster, and much less crash-prone
[23:17:00] ByteNik: when did they switch over?
[23:17:00] ByteNik: i haven't been around much
[23:17:00] Chutt: bytenik, fix the damn space at the beginning of every line
[23:17:00] xris: I'm all for faster and not crash-prone.
[23:17:00] ByteNik: Chutt: yeah, its trillian, i have no idea why its happening, and i've tried
[23:17:00] ByteNik: Chutt: It comes and goes.
[23:17:00] Chutt: so, use a real irc client, and not crap
[23:18:00] ** ByteNik shrugs. **
[23:18:00] ByteNik: convienience
[23:18:00] Chutt: convenience for you, or annoyance for everyone you talk to.
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[23:20:00] xris: I don't notice.. gaim uses variable-width fonts.
[23:20:00] xris: Chutt: thought you were supposed to be on vacation.  ;)
[23:20:00] ByteNik: me too... but i can imagine it'd be annoying with monospace... i'm playing with settings now
[23:21:00] Chutt: xris, yeah. about that – if mythtv.org blows up when i'm gone, msg 'Snow-Man'
[23:21:00] Chutt: he's the guy that admins the box
[23:21:00] Chutt: he's in #mythtv, too.
[23:21:00] ShockValue: hi all.. Im looking for the easiest way to add new videos to my main mythtv machine (with posters, descriptions etc) without hooking up a keyboard to that myth box. Im thinking of doing it from my second workstation, but I'm unsure how to accomplish this.. what do you think?
[23:21:00] xris: Chutt: willdo.
[23:22:00] ShockValue: Videos as in, mythvideo. Ones that I will rip from dvd's or download, etc. not tv shows.
[23:22:00] Chutt: i don't leave until tomorrow morning, though
[23:23:00] xris: Chutt: figured. just giving you a hard time.
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[23:25:00] ShockValue: hrm.. i didnt have any ideas either :)
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[23:30:00] poimen: hi
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[23:30:00] poimen: someone here has this card ? Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder
[23:30:00] poimen: ???
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[23:30:00] poimen: I need help with it
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[23:32:00] MohShami: hey guys, I managed to get mythtv to scan my channels, but I'm getting a blank screen when I try to watch tv, what should I do?
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[23:46:00] mishehu: hmm. does anybody here have an sblive audigy 2zs platinum pro with a remote?
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