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| [00:00:00] | Led-Hed: | I cant imagine that there would be much difference considering the HDD controller is the same... |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | hardware raid has its own controller |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | and if it can only write to one device at a time, or slows down for multiple devices, it might be slower than kernel raid. |
| [00:01:00] | Led-Hed: | I'm talking a SATA RAID controller vs a non-RAID SATA controller |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | or something like that. I'm not a hardware guy, so I don't know the specifics. |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | Led-Hed: I'm talking 3ware vs kernel |
| [00:02:00] | Led-Hed: | humm. |
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| [00:02:00] | xris: | it just sounded like an interesting experiment. |
| [00:02:00] | xris: | I think they forgot to do it. |
| [00:02:00] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [00:02:00] | Led-Hed: | let me know the results if they ever do it... |
| [00:03:00] | xris: | big trade show coming up next month.. too busy rolling out new specs |
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| [00:04:00] | Led-Hed: | I'm really liking the Mini-ITX. You could stack 10 of them in a cluster in the space of a normal server... |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | heh |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | "normal server" here is 1u |
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| [00:04:00] | Led-Hed: | here its a Full ATX tower... |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | that's big |
| [00:04:00] | xris: | need better servers. |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | 1u dual opteron. :) |
| [00:05:00] | Led-Hed: | I think you could squeeze 2 Mini-ITX in a U1 enclosure |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | (or single opteron — finally got a board with a single opteron slot in it) |
| [00:05:00] | Led-Hed: | $$$$ |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | yeah, there are some companies that do stuff like that. major heat problems, though. |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | side-by-side is possible, too, but not really anyone does that. |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | $$$ isn't bad. $2k for a decent dual opteron 1u. |
| [00:06:00] | xris: | not so good for home use, though |
| [00:06:00] | Led-Hed: | I'm putting in a 19" rack in my closet. |
| [00:06:00] | Led-Hed: | looking for a good slide out rack... |
| [00:06:00] | xris: | most racks have wheel options. |
| [00:07:00] | Led-Hed: | my closet is carpeted |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | that's so overkill in my book, though |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | then get some of those teflon furniture sliders. heh. |
| [00:07:00] | Led-Hed: | I still have to work out the cooling issues |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | and noise |
| [00:07:00] | xris: | rackmount stuff is WAY too noisy for the house |
| [00:07:00] | Led-Hed: | noise is taken care of. |
| [00:08:00] | Led-Hed: | I have cellulose insulation sprayed in all the walls and door. |
| [00:08:00] | Led-Hed: | thats half the reason I need AC in there now... Heat has no place to go |
| [00:09:00] | xris: | heh |
| [00:10:00] | Led-Hed: | the room is about 25 F above the rest of the house. |
| [00:12:00] | Led-Hed: | is there a way to force yum to update a package? |
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| [00:26:00] | pelesmk: | can someone explain what the transcoder profiles are used for and when they are used |
| [00:26:00] | pelesmk: | i understand the encoding party, but I have multiple profiles and don't understand how mythtv knows which to use |
| [00:33:00] | PaulWay: | pelesmk: I want to know this too... |
| [00:34:00] | PaulWay: | I think they're related to different inputs, so that if you have e.g. a digital TV card, a satellite card and an analogue card, you can have different profiles for each. |
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| [00:40:00] | Goose-Npa: | tovid works well |
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| [00:45:00] | pelesmk: | errr...I'm having troubles with my audio. It sounds fine if I go straight from the tv-tuner card, but once I throw it through the line-in port so mythtv can control it, the sound turns to chipmunk voices |
| [00:46:00] | sphery: | pelesmk: You've got a soundcard that accepts 48KHz audio and you're passing it 32KHz. |
| [00:46:00] | sphery: | You need a good .asoundrc |
| [00:47:00] | pelesmk: | I'm not using any .asoundrc I dont' think |
| [00:47:00] | jave: | where does mythvideo store its configuration data? |
| [00:47:00] | pelesmk: | I have a sbl audigy 24 bit p.o.s |
| [00:47:00] | Goose-Npa: | xris |
| [00:47:00] | pelesmk: | bbut ok, giving me something to look at |
| [00:47:00] | sphery: | pelesmk: http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalSoundHowTo |
| [00:47:00] | sphery: | You /need/ an .asoundrc |
| [00:47:00] | sphery: | Not saying yours is bad. |
| [00:48:00] | sphery: | jave: in the database |
| [00:48:00] | jave: | sphery: ok |
| [00:49:00] | sphery: | Look at videometadata |
| [00:49:00] | Goose-Npa: | is there anyway to gather the episode information from the file name? |
| [00:49:00] | sphery: | Goose-Npa: mythlink.pl (or, in SVN, mythrename.pl) |
| [00:49:00] | sphery: | In the contrib directory |
| [00:50:00] | Goose-Npa: | whats SVN? |
| [00:50:00] | Goose-Npa: | i see mythlink but no mythrename |
| [00:50:00] | sphery: | Use mythlink |
| [00:50:00] | sphery: | SVN is the development version |
| [00:50:00] | jave: | the movie scanner doesnt seem to like utf8 chars in filenames |
| [00:50:00] | sphery: | mythlink.pl creates links to the files so you can create your own "views" |
| [00:50:00] | Goose-Npa: | sphery: what does mythlink do? |
| [00:51:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [00:51:00] | sphery: | How's that for answer before you ask? |
| [00:51:00] | Goose-Npa: | i mean where does it output to though? |
| [00:51:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea thats great customer support heh |
| [00:51:00] | sphery: | jave: Yeah. Someone on the lists mentioned that. |
| [00:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | sphery; i get this error |
| [00:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | Done RM |
| [00:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | Failed to make directory: /tv/pretty |
| [00:52:00] | sphery: | Goose-Npa: mythlink.pl --help |
| [00:52:00] | Goose-Npa: | cool |
| [00:52:00] | sphery: | You need to specify a directory to put the links into. |
| [00:53:00] | sphery: | If the --help doesn't work (been a long time since I've used that version), read the comments at the top of the file. |
| [00:53:00] | sphery: | Actually, IIRC, you have to edit some of the settings early in the file. |
| [00:54:00] | sphery: | New version in SVN is much easier to use (thanks to xris) complete with command-line options. |
| [00:54:00] | Goose-Npa: | where can i obtain that? |
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| [00:54:00] | sphery: | You would have to install the development version of Myth. |
| [00:54:00] | sphery: | Probably better to wait until 0.19 |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | oh |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | heh |
| [00:55:00] | Puke2: | ok, how would I have fedora automatically run a command soon after X starts? |
| [00:55:00] | sphery: | Lot of work for pretty links to recordings... |
| [00:55:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | i just need a way to see what episode each file is connected to |
| [00:55:00] | sphery: | Did you look at the mythlink.sh script? |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | when i run mytlink i get a bunch of these errors |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | Skipping /tv/select_limit 1000__.nuv |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at -e line 11, <> line 142. |
| [00:55:00] | Goose-Npa: | Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at -e line 12, <> line 142. |
| [00:56:00] | sphery: | Something in the script is broken. |
| [00:56:00] | sphery: | Don't know what would cause it. |
| [00:57:00] | Puke2: | how would I get the xvattr command (which gets rid of blue border) to run auto after X starts? |
| [00:57:00] | sphery: | Goose-Npa: If you get all the settings right, it should work |
| [00:57:00] | sphery: | Puke2: put it in your .xinitrc |
| [00:57:00] | Puke2: | which is where? |
| [00:57:00] | sphery: | ~/.xinitrc |
| [00:57:00] | Puke2: | ok, thx |
| [00:57:00] | Goose-Npa: | i dont see anything that needs to be changed actually |
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| [00:58:00] | trans_err: | I have my card all setup, but it won't change chanels-- It says its changing but I always see the first chanel |
| [00:59:00] | sphery: | Goose-Npa: You're looking at this file, right? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . /mythlink.sh |
| [00:59:00] | trans_err: | I'm using a wintv cx88 based card |
| [00:59:00] | Goose-Npa: | yes sphery |
| [00:59:00] | sphery: | Need to modify $mythpath, $altpath, the rm -f at the top... |
| [00:59:00] | sphery: | Once done, it should work. |
| [00:59:00] | Goose-Npa: | ok |
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| [01:04:00] | xanderp: | ne1 live in here? i'm looking for someone that may have mythstream running, I'd like to ask a few q's. |
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| [01:10:00] | ** Juski lives in a house, not an IRC channel. but doesn't use mythstream ** | |
| [01:11:00] | xanderp: | live as in rhymes with jive |
| [01:11:00] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [01:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | sphery: i still get the same errors |
| [01:12:00] | pelesmk: | hmm...I changed my sound capture from 32khz to 44100khz to 48000khz and sound is exactly the same...chipmunk voices |
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| [01:15:00] | pelesmk: | ok, testing sound capture with a cd player to the input line in...ewww same shit, so it's not a mythtv config issue |
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| [01:17:00] | Goose-Npa: | anyone around knowledgeable of mythlink? |
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| [01:22:00] | aMMgYrP: | anyone herE? |
| [01:22:00] | PaulWay: | vaguely |
| [01:23:00] | aMMgYrP: | *applause* good answer |
| [01:23:00] | Goose-Npa: | either of you use mythlink? |
| [01:23:00] | PaulWay: | Not that I know of – what is it? |
| [01:23:00] | PaulWay: | - whassit do? |
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| [01:23:00] | aMMgYrP: | is there any effective way to get Mythgame to launch an application game like Tux Racer, frozen bubble or stepmania? |
| [01:24:00] | PaulWay: | That's a good question aMMgYrP, and I think the answer is no. |
| [01:24:00] | PaulWay: | Maybe that's what mythlink does? |
| [01:25:00] | aMMgYrP: | word? |
| [01:25:00] | aMMgYrP: | lets find out... |
| [01:26:00] | PaulWay: | What on earth does the fftw2-double package do, I wonder? |
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| [01:27:00] | PaulWay: | Goose-Npa: I can't see a package called mythlink. |
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| [01:28:00] | aMMgYrP: | it will make me unbelievabliy sad if i cannot run stepmania through mythTV, it would actually defeat the entire purpose of building a PVR... as it is i never watch TV... |
| [01:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | its in your contrib directory of the mythtv directory |
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| [01:28:00] | PaulWay: | Ahhhh, so it's not a separate package. |
| [01:28:00] | PaulWay: | Whassit do, Goose? |
| [01:29:00] | Goose-Npa: | Creates |
| [01:29:00] | Goose-Npa: | symlinks to more human-readable versions of mythtv recording # filenames. .. |
| [01:29:00] | jnc: | fftw = fast-fourier transform |
| [01:29:00] | PaulWay: | I see. |
| [01:29:00] | PaulWay: | jnc: not only is it 2, but it's doubled too! Amazing! |
| [01:30:00] | aMMgYrP: | impressive |
| [01:30:00] | jnc: | double may refer to the bitwise precision |
| [01:30:00] | aMMgYrP: | ok, I found my answer, to where do i mail the beeR? |
| [01:30:00] | PaulWay: | aMMgYrP: You could, of course, use alt-tab to a console and run the command. |
| [01:31:00] | PaulWay: | aMMgYrP: what's the answer? Can you do it? |
| [01:31:00] | aMMgYrP: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-April/039667.html |
| [01:31:00] | aMMgYrP: | at that link :) |
| [01:31:00] | PaulWay: | That's what the internet needs, a Internet Beer Transport Protocol. |
| [01:31:00] | PaulWay: | aMMgYrP: Cool! It is possible! |
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| [01:33:00] | aMMgYrP: | yeppers, Now I am happy again, and when my hauppauge card comes in tommorrow and i finish building my box tomorrow night, I'll spend the weekend porting over 1200 songs and several native games :) |
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| [01:34:00] | aMMgYrP: | IBTP would only cause a great loss of jobs :) |
| [01:35:00] | PaulWay: | Nonsense, think of all the new jobs created in the beer production industry! |
| [01:37:00] | Puke2: | ok, i was told to put the xvattr command to get rid of the blue border around video in .xinitrc, but that file does not exist, and when I create it it still does not work, is their another place I can put the command so that it is run after X? |
| [01:37:00] | Juski: | ack this forking dbox is being a right PITA... grrrr. |
| [01:37:00] | pelesmk: | ok I have created a .asoundrc do I need to restart alsa for this to take effect |
| [01:38:00] | PaulWay: | Puke2: I found some settings to control the offset of the screen in mythfrontend -> Setup -> TV settings -> Playback, I think. |
| [01:38:00] | PaulWay: | Yep, in there, about the fifth or sixth screen in, title Overscan. |
| [01:39:00] | PaulWay: | There you can adjust the size of the actual picture displayed, as well as the offset relative to the overlay box. Positive numbers seem to move up and left. |
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| [01:40:00] | aMMgYrP: | and finally, Knoppmyth or Gentoo+MythTV? |
| [01:44:00] | Kabutor: | Gentoo+MythTV works fine here if that counts |
| [01:45:00] | jd86: | gentoo+mythtv ++ |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | I'm with Kabutor on that score |
| [01:45:00] | jd86: | i have the audio thru pci with an bttv card, and its crappy sounding.. |
| [01:46:00] | aMMgYrP: | ok, well i guess I'll ge to deleting that knoppmyth image i d/led |
| [01:46:00] | jd86: | Juski: stupid stupid me, you know how i was having all that problems? |
| [01:47:00] | Juski: | oh yeah I remember |
| [01:47:00] | jd86: | Juski: who would have guessed that the v4l drivers would automatically mute teh damned thing |
| [01:47:00] | Juski: | well, the main thing is you figured it out in the end |
| [01:47:00] | jd86: | well i woulnd have to use the jump cable if i could figure out how to clean up this audio |
| [01:47:00] | Juski: | and the fact it made you scratch your head for so long.. well maybe you don't ever forget |
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| [01:48:00] | Juski: | you know.. I think I'm gonna just get a PVR card to grab from this cable box.. network streaming just isn't working |
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| [01:50:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: still around ? |
| [01:50:00] | Led-Hed: | yup |
| [01:50:00] | Puke2: | ok, adjusting the screen size did not get rid of the blue border around video, an other ideas? |
| [01:50:00] | mmurphy: | u use xine for mythvideo? |
| [01:50:00] | Led-Hed: | Puke2, Overscan |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | Puke2: the xvattr didn't work? |
| [01:51:00] | Puke2: | I need a place to put it |
| [01:51:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: can yuou tell me the params? |
| [01:51:00] | Puke2: | so it will start after X |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | The .xinitrc didn't work? |
| [01:52:00] | Puke2: | nope |
| [01:52:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, parms for what? |
| [01:52:00] | Puke2: | i siad: i don't have an .xinitrc and when I made one it didn't work either |
| [01:52:00] | sphery: | Other things that are often executed (depends on how your system is configured) are .xsession |
| [01:52:00] | Puke2: | also in the home dir? |
| [01:52:00] | mmurphy: | mythvideo |
| [01:52:00] | sphery: | yep |
| [01:53:00] | Puke2: | when you use the dir command, shouldnt you be able to see all the files you are saying? |
| [01:53:00] | Goose-Npa: | what format do you all rencode to? |
| [01:53:00] | sphery: | You may also have a WM-specific one (like .fvwmrc or something) that allows you to specify your commands |
| [01:53:00] | sphery: | if it starts with a dot (.) it's hidden |
| [01:53:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, bring up a consile and type: mplayer /mnt/SambaMount/XVidFilename.avi |
| [01:53:00] | Puke2: | when I look in my home dir it is empty |
| [01:53:00] | sphery: | You need to say something like: |
| [01:53:00] | sphery: | ls -al |
| [01:53:00] | Puke2: | o ok |
| [01:53:00] | sphery: | or dir .* |
| [01:54:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: and see if it is out of sync? |
| [01:54:00] | Led-Hed: | yup |
| [01:54:00] | mmurphy: | can't just yet, thats why i wanted to command line settings so i can try xine |
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| [01:56:00] | jd86: | hissing sound.. what could that be caused by |
| [01:56:00] | sphery: | mmurphy: Here's mine: |
| [01:56:00] | sphery: | xine --no-splash --auto-play=fhq %s |
| [01:57:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, xine is the same way. open console and type: xine /SambaShare/XVidFileName.avi |
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| [01:57:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: i mean for mythvideo ... like mplayer -zoom -fs -ext %s |
| [01:57:00] | mmurphy: | what is your for xine like? |
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| [01:58:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, hold on. I'll get it |
| [01:58:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: thanks :-L |
| [01:58:00] | FunkyELF: | hi guys, I need some quick emergency help. I got a replacement case yesterday so today was the first time I put the cover on it. It ran for a little bit but then it just shit itself off and smelled like something was burning. I was able to turn it back on but now I can't mount /dev/vg/store.....mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vg/store |
| [01:58:00] | sphery: | mmurphy: What? Mine's not good enough for you? ;) |
| [01:58:00] | mmurphy: | sphery: sorry i didn't see yours ... |
| [01:58:00] | mmurphy: | sphery: o thanks |
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| [01:59:00] | sphery: | mmurphy: just giving you a hard time. |
| [01:59:00] | Kabutor: | FunkyELF, put you nose close to that harddisk and try to see if that is the burned thing |
| [01:59:00] | mmurphy: | sphery: having audio sync issues with mplayer |
| [01:59:00] | Led-Hed: | mmurphy, I cant ssh to ot right now for some reason. Ask me tomorrow |
| [01:59:00] | CyberKnet: | FunkyELF: oooh. that sounds nice. did you fsck the disk? |
| [01:59:00] | mmurphy: | Led-Hed: np |
| [01:59:00] | FunkyELF: | CyberKnet, someone else in #gentoo just told me to do that and it worked |
| [01:59:00] | FunkyELF: | CyberKnet, thanks |
| [01:59:00] | CyberKnet: | (fyi fsck != fuck :P) |
| [01:59:00] | CyberKnet: | FunkyELF: np |
| [02:00:00] | Kabutor: | FunkyELF, when something burns the smell is strong, is the best way to know what is broken |
| [02:00:00] | sphery: | mmurphy: Yeah. TTBOMK, both mplayer and xine allow you to adjust it. Also, note that sometimes it's the video file--AVI's in particular can be very nasty (even when they play fine on WMP). |
| [02:01:00] | ** FunkyELF has had a hard drive start on fire before when his power supply fried everything ** | |
| [02:01:00] | FunkyELF: | that did not smell pretty |
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| [02:02:00] | PaulWay: | FunkyELF: That sounds bad! I had a motherboard fry itself – power stage went foom all over the place. |
| [02:02:00] | PaulWay: | There's nothing like the smell of burnt phenolic resin... |
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| [02:03:00] | PaulWay: | Right, loins girded, ready for a day turning wood into sawdust. |
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| [02:03:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Alive? |
| [02:03:00] | Puke: | ok, I can't find .xsession or anything like that |
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| [02:03:00] | mmurphy: | sphery: windows plays it fine ... xvids are good ... |
| [02:04:00] | mmurphy: | testing a few mplayer settings now |
| [02:04:00] | NightMonkey: | meh |
| [02:06:00] | Puke: | so, if I can't find .xinitrc or.xsession, or anything like that in the home dir, where would I put the xvattr command? |
| [02:07:00] | Agrajag-: | you make one of those files |
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| [02:08:00] | Puke: | what would be in the file, just the command? |
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| [02:08:00] | mmurphy: | sphery: does your start in a window or go full screen |
| [02:08:00] | mmurphy: | ? |
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| [02:22:00] | mmurphy: | sweet xine works no audio issues :-P |
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| [02:33:00] | NightMonkey: | I'm gonna test MythTV 0.18.1 with mysql 4.1.14 (up from 4.0.25-r2). Anyone done this here? Any problems above the normal mysql upgrade issues? |
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| [02:37:00] | redline-: | Lo all |
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| [02:40:00] | redline-: | anyone alive? |
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| [02:44:00] | jemarcks: | anybody got a tar based backup script that writes to dvd? |
| [02:44:00] | redline-: | anyone ever get myttv to work with lirc through a phillips media center remote with usb infrared and irblaster attached to usb? |
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| [02:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | redline: the first gen Philips MCE remote will work |
| [02:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | the second gen wont unless something has recently changed |
| [02:58:00] | [Klatuu]: | mceusb is the driver you need |
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| [02:59:00] | Juski: | anyone turned lead into gold? |
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| [03:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | I can't get these shelves installed for the life of me |
| [03:01:00] | Juski: | emerge living-room-suite |
| [03:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | emerge bedroom-suite |
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| [03:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | damn ikea changed their brackets |
| [03:02:00] | Juski: | they've changed the package too |
| [03:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | now it is impossible to get it to attach to studs in the walls on all the places it should be |
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| [03:03:00] | Juski: | well.. another 2am and still no worky-worky :( |
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| [03:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | what isn't working? |
| [03:04:00] | Juski: | I think I'll order a big length of coax & a pvr150 soon |
| [03:04:00] | phoner: | hm, I need some confirmation on the files the pvr-250 makes |
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| [03:04:00] | phoner: | like everyone says, oh they are just mpeg files |
| [03:04:00] | Juski: | cable receiver that can (allegedly) stream over a network connection (when it feels like it) |
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| [03:04:00] | phoner: | but they sure don't seem to be |
| [03:04:00] | JohnP789: | How do I get Gnome's window manager to put a title bar and borders on the mythfrontend in windowed mode? |
| [03:05:00] | Juski: | phoner.. they're mpeg2.. ps but might need demuxing & remuxing to make em dvd compliant |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: You troubled by the .nuv extension? |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Just change it... |
| [03:06:00] | phoner: | I can't open them in anything other than vlc |
| [03:06:00] | phoner: | I know, that is what everyone say, but they aren't just mpg files |
| [03:06:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Make a symlink that has .mpg, if that's the problem. |
| [03:07:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: What does "file <move file" tell you? |
| [03:07:00] | NightMonkey: | Er, |
| [03:07:00] | NightMonkey: | "file <movie file>" |
| [03:07:00] | phoner: | it says they are sendmail files |
| [03:07:00] | Juski: | phoner.. if you're on a windows box, WMP won't play mpeg2 files without a codec installed (and they ain't free) |
| [03:07:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: 0_o |
| [03:07:00] | phoner: | I can't open them in avidemux2 eather |
| [03:08:00] | Juski: | xine will play em ok.. so will mplayer |
| [03:08:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: somethings got to be very wrong for file to think they are "sendmail files"... |
| [03:08:00] | Juski: | examine the stream in vlc.. you'll see they're mpeg ;) |
| [03:09:00] | phoner: | it says, Sendmail frozen configuration – version N\210\241W |
| [03:09:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Maybe your "fille" program is way old. |
| [03:09:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Oh well. |
| [03:09:00] | phoner: | well my goal is to convert them to dvd |
| [03:10:00] | NightMonkey: | Ah, then you need my HOWTO. |
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| [03:10:00] | phoner: | does it use avidemux2? |
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| [03:10:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: https://www.ilikelinux.com/howto/pvr3502dvd |
| [03:11:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: It needs a bit of polish, and I just realized I need more version info there for apps. |
| [03:11:00] | phoner: | yea, avidemux2 says they are invalid |
| [03:12:00] | phoner: | I recorded a few without using mythv, and used a method similar to that |
| [03:12:00] | phoner: | but can't seem to get mythtv files to work |
| [03:13:00] | phoner: | it's puzzling me so bad |
| [03:13:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Are you doing any transcoding in Myth? |
| [03:14:00] | phoner: | not currently |
| [03:14:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Does everything play back fine in Mythfrontend? |
| [03:15:00] | phoner: | yea, plays good there |
| [03:15:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: What errors does avidemux2 give you? |
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| [03:16:00] | phoner: | it says Problem opening that file! |
| [03:16:00] | phoner: | hehe, in that popup window |
| [03:17:00] | phoner: | console window says unrecognized file detected, (B67CFCB8) |
| [03:17:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: What is the extension on the file, and what version of avidemux2 are you using? |
| [03:18:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Also, in the MythTV setup settings for your inputs, do you have "DVD Special 2" set? |
| [03:18:00] | phoner: | .mpg filename, I switched to CVS a while ago and noticed that file ext changed |
| [03:19:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Oh, not using cvs here. 0.18.1. |
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| [03:19:00] | phoner: | but it was the same then |
| [03:19:00] | phoner: | avidemux2 2.0.4 |
| [03:20:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Try avidemux 2.0.42. |
| [03:20:00] | phoner: | k |
| [03:21:00] | NightMonkey: | 'phoner: Also, in the MythTV setup settings for your inputs, do you have "DVD Special 2" set?' |
| [03:21:00] | phoner: | I'm also wondering what the diff recording formats are listed for the pvr |
| [03:21:00] | phoner: | do the settings on the frontend make a change in file format? |
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| [03:22:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: I think you need to run mythtvsetup from the backend that has the recording card. |
| [03:22:00] | phoner: | lemmie check |
| [03:26:00] | phoner: | hm, I don't see a seting like that in mythtv-setup |
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| [03:28:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Ah, sorry. It is settable in mythfrontend. |
| [03:29:00] | ShockValue: | NightMonkey: ,lfs, worked :) |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Go to Setup->tv settings->Recording Profiles |
| [03:29:00] | phoner: | ah, ok |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Hey, cool! :) |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Thanks for letting me know. I was curious. |
| [03:29:00] | ShockValue: | is there anything special I need to do to let a second frontend attach to my main front/back end server? |
| [03:29:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Then, select MPEG-2 Encoders... |
| [03:30:00] | phoner: | I tried DVD earlier |
| [03:30:00] | phoner: | didn't try DVD special though |
| [03:30:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: And then check each recording profile that "Stream Type: DVD-Special 2" is set. |
| [03:31:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Then, wait for a recording. I dunno if you need to restart mythbackend before this really applies, but that might not be a bad idea. |
| [03:31:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: I don't believe so. I've got three, and no problems. Just make sure the hostnames are unique. |
| [03:31:00] | Dagmar: | It would be nice if the mythtv docs mentioned just once that "The number of potential dependencies is legion" |
| [03:33:00] | ShockValue: | i keep getting: Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.1.1.5' (111) |
| [03:33:00] | Dagmar: | ShockValue: When? |
| [03:33:00] | Dagmar: | ...and you did set up the mysql server, right? |
| [03:34:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Did you enable tcp/ip connections on your mysql box? |
| [03:34:00] | ShockValue: | NightMonkey: not sure, how do i check |
| [03:35:00] | ShockValue: | Dagmar: yeah, my main frontend/backend is working fine.. im just trying to set up a new frontend on this box |
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| [03:36:00] | Dagmar: | The thing to do would be to look into that whole IP connections thing |
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| [03:38:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Look in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf or equivalent config file. |
| [03:39:00] | ShockValue: | ah, bind port address 127.0.0.1 |
| [03:39:00] | ShockValue: | i suppose i should comment that out? |
| [03:40:00] | Dagmar: | Only if you want to kill it |
| [03:40:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Yes. |
| [03:40:00] | NightMonkey: | Dagmar: How would that kill it? |
| [03:41:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: And comment out "skip-networking" if you find that. |
| [03:41:00] | ShockValue: | well that got me further.. now its just complaining that my password for the database is bad :) |
| [03:41:00] | ** ShockValue tries to remember ** | |
| [03:42:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Also check over this: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc9.1 |
| [03:42:00] | Dagmar: | Ick. Wrong channel. |
| [03:42:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Sorry, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 |
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| [03:44:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: When you do this, you may be opening your mysql server to the public – you should make sure that you've got your mysql privs set up well. |
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| [03:45:00] | NightMonkey: | brb |
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| [03:47:00] | phoner: | heh, darn on dvd-special2 doesn't help |
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| [03:50:00] | phoner: | oh cool, I transcoded it, it renamed it back to .nuv |
| [03:50:00] | phoner: | and, I can open it fine in avid2 |
| [03:51:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: transcodeed it from what to what? |
| [03:51:00] | NightMonkey: | phoner: Er, I mean, just "to what". |
| [03:53:00] | hari_seldon99: | Hi |
| [03:53:00] | hari_seldon99: | I'm a little confused about something wrt mythtv and was hoping for clarification |
| [03:53:00] | phoner: | autodetect to mpeg4 or autodetect to mpeg2 |
| [03:53:00] | phoner: | not sure which it uses |
| [03:54:00] | hari_seldon99: | I have a hauppauge pvr350 which I have in a dedicated pvr box with tv-out working on mythtv |
| [03:54:00] | hari_seldon99: | but whenever I try to use an external application to view other media (like a vcd/dvd thru xine), it pipes the sound thru the onboard sound card |
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| [03:55:00] | hari_seldon99: | I piped the onboard sound card to the hauppauge line-in using an audio cable ,but still no sound (I get sound when I connect headphones to the sound card tho) |
| [03:55:00] | hari_seldon99: | is this a problem with my mixer settings? |
| [03:55:00] | Vantage__: | anyone know a deb apt line for mythtv? |
| [03:55:00] | Vantage__: | the one i'm currently using hasn't been rebuilt in ages... |
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| [03:58:00] | ShockValue: | dern it.. how can i turn off passwords and jsut give everyone access to everything on my mysql database? |
| [03:59:00] | ShockValue: | im behind a linux firewall and a router/firewall modem.. im not too concerned with security on this thing :) |
| [03:59:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... don't do that |
| [03:59:00] | Dagmar: | The MythTV howto actually has links right to the proper pages on mysql security |
| [04:00:00] | Dagmar: | If you look at your grants table I'll wager you've got all the privs assigned to mythtv@localhost |
| [04:00:00] | Dagmar: | You'll need to add '%' to the host table if you want to do that |
| [04:00:00] | ShockValue: | ive tried this: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [04:00:00] | Dagmar: | It's shown in the MythTV HOWTO |
| [04:00:00] | Dagmar: | OKay, then it should be working. What's it saying when you connect? |
| [04:00:00] | ShockValue: | yes yes, i get the "HOWTO" thing Dagmar.. its open 2x on my machine right now |
| [04:00:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Don't forget to flush thr privs. |
| [04:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | ShockValue: And did you then do a reload or a flush privs ? |
| [04:00:00] | ShockValue: | ERROR 1044: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' to database 'mythtv' |
| [04:01:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: ... did you "flush privileges;" |
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| [04:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Anytime you alter permissions/add a user or change a password under mysql you should do a mysqladmin reload or a flush privileges |
| [04:02:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: Are you using alsamixer to view your alsa settings? |
| [04:02:00] | xanderp: | looking for someone to help my mythstream issues. anyone here have experience with it? |
| [04:02:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: run alsamixer, then hit F6. See if "Line" is set to "CAPTUR". |
| [04:03:00] | hari_seldon99: | Nightmonkey: Yes I'm using alsamixer |
| [04:03:00] | Dagmar: | ShockValue: This is from your new frontend tho, which is (in theory) not localhost, tho, right? |
| [04:03:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: And? |
| [04:04:00] | hari_seldon99: | I ran alsamixer and hit F6, nothing happened |
| [04:04:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: It didn't change to "[All]" ? |
| [04:05:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: For the "View:" |
| [04:05:00] | xanderp: | i'm getting a problem with vlc when trying to stream video from mythstream, it complains with this error: "VLC media player 0.8.2 Janus |
| [04:05:00] | xanderp: | vlc: unknown option or missing mandatory argument `--http-host=:8002' |
| [04:05:00] | hari_seldon99: | No, there is a "line" bar, but there is no "Capture " setting |
| [04:05:00] | NightMonkey: | xanderp: Try posting to the mythstreamtv forums, plz. |
| [04:05:00] | xanderp: | there's a forum for it? I didn't know that |
| [04:05:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: You need to turn that on. |
| [04:06:00] | hari_seldon99: | NightMonkey: ok, how do I get to that? |
| [04:06:00] | redline-: | i know this is sliightly off off topic but anyone get a usb irblaster to work with an external cable box? |
| [04:06:00] | ShockValue: | Dagmar: correct |
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| [04:07:00] | ShockValue: | NightMonkey: i did the stuff listed here for "low security" http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [04:07:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: Hit [f4], move the selector to <Line> and hit space. |
| [04:07:00] | ** xanderp really wishes that some of these other plugins would find their way into the mythtv builds... ** | |
| [04:07:00] | Dagmar: | ShockValue: And the frontend that's running on the same machine as the backend _isn't_ having this problem? |
| [04:07:00] | Dagmar: | xanderp: I'd just be happy to know how to exit mythbrowser |
| [04:07:00] | xanderp: | red button? |
| [04:07:00] | hari_seldon99: | NightMonkey: right, I hit f4 and moved the selection to Line, above which are L R and CAPTUR |
| [04:07:00] | xanderp: | works for most everything else... |
| [04:08:00] | Dagmar: | I haven't bothered to set up lirc yet. Whatever red button is bound to just isn't working so well on mine |
| [04:08:00] | NightMonkey: | ShockValue: Does "netstat -lnp" on your backend/mysql host show a mysql process listening? |
| [04:08:00] | Dagmar: | I've worked over most of the keyboard trying to get it to exit |
| [04:08:00] | xanderp: | ahh, not the standard 'esc' then aye? |
| [04:08:00] | hari_seldon99: | I hit space on Line, but nothing happened |
| [04:08:00] | Dagmar: | xanderp: Apparently not |
| [04:08:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: Now, what is the level for the last selector – <Capture>. Mine is at 100% |
| [04:09:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: (you should still be in [Capture] view) |
| [04:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | The <Capture> was a 0, I'll put it to 100, hang on |
| [04:09:00] | hari_seldon99: | ok, it's 100, now shall I Esc and try to listen to something? |
| [04:09:00] | ShockValue: | NightMonkey: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 10572/mysqld |
| [04:09:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: Everything else should be down (in [capture]) |
| [04:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | Yes it is |
| [04:10:00] | NightMonkey: | hari_seldon99: Yes, try it out. |
| [04:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on, I'll post a screenshot |
| [04:10:00] | NightMonkey: | ? |
| [04:10:00] | hari_seldon99: | http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~daneel/snapshot2.png |
| [04:10:00] | xanderp: | hari_seldon99: the psychohistorian, the hero, the legend! I am honored to be on an IRC channel with you sir! |
| [04:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | heh |
| [04:11:00] | hari_seldon99: | glad somebody figured it out |
| [04:11:00] | xanderp: | hari_seldon99: now if you will kindly tell the people that I am going to win the election.. |
| [04:12:00] | hari_seldon99: | hang on, lemme try to get me sound working... |
| [04:12:00] | xanderp: | hari_seldon99 loaded mythtv on his prime radiant... |
| [04:13:00] | xanderp: | it determined television programming he would likely want to watch for thousands of years into the future... |
| [04:13:00] | Dagmar: | Thank god he only has broadcast TV or he'd never get anything done again |
| [04:14:00] | Dagmar: | I never liked that the TiVo on digital cable could easily come up with 8–12 hours of "suggestions" per freaking day |
| [04:14:00] | hari_seldon99: | NightMonkey: ok, still no sound from xine thru pvr |
| [04:14:00] | Dagmar: | -ao alsa won't make it happen? |
| [04:15:00] | Dagmar: | ...or are you trying to use the PVR-350's s-video port like someone in here last night was. ;) |
| [04:15:00] | xanderp: | hari_seldon99: i just recently re-read the entire collection for like the 4th time... |
| [04:15:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc? |
| [04:19:00] | pelesmk: | ok, I have a .asoundrc file, but my sound is still sounding like a chipmunk |
| [04:19:00] | ShockValue: | is the "grant permissions" line addative? like if i do it 2x with different user names, do they both have permissions? or does the last one overwrite the first one? |
| [04:19:00] | ShockValue: | (mysql) |
| [04:19:00] | Dagmar: | They should stack just fine |
| [04:19:00] | pelesmk: | In my tv recording profile (live tv) I have the audio set to 44100 |
| [04:19:00] | pelesmk: | do I need to set that anywhere else in mythtv? |
| [04:19:00] | Dagmar: | You can always tell it to show you the permissions again if you doubt it |
| [04:19:00] | Dagmar: | show grants and so forth |
| [04:19:00] | hari_seldon99: | So did I set "Capture" Correctly? |
| [04:20:00] | Dagmar: | pelesmk: I never saw anywhere else that it had to be set. Generally that's going to be the right answer anywhere you see it asked. |
| [04:21:00] | Dagmar: | pelesmk: This may sound dumb, but move your .asoundrc out of the way for a bit and make sure something you've done in there isn't the problem. |
| [04:21:00] | Dagmar: | I'm takin' the easy way out and using an emu10k1 card, but at least it means I don't have to have an .asoundrc file at all |
| [04:22:00] | pelesmk: | wish I could do the same, I have a crap of the shaq sbl 24 bit using ca0106 driver |
| [04:22:00] | pelesmk: | biggest mistake |
| [04:23:00] | Dagmar: | Have you tried playing an audio file through the setup with something like mpg123 or ogg123? That would let you eliminate MythTV as the source of the problem if it still doesn't work properly. |
| [04:23:00] | pelesmk: | ya I've even hooked a cd player to the line in with mythtv stopped to make sure the capture quality was coming through correctly |
| [04:24:00] | pelesmk: | and all checked out |
| [04:24:00] | pelesmk: | only when mythtv is started does the capture quality diminish |
| [04:25:00] | Dagmar: | Freaky. It should be okay at 44100, but it might be that you've got one that's locked at 48000 |
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| [04:26:00] | xanderp: | being a gentoo guy, i install/remove packages with emerge. I tried to put in a mythplugin by manually doing a "make install" against source code. is there any easy way to "make uninstall" or the equivalent to REMOVE something i've installed? |
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| [04:26:00] | pelesmk: | just delete the directories |
| [04:27:00] | Dagmar: | xanderp: If you haven't nuked the source you can usually invoke 'make uninstall' |
| [04:27:00] | CyberKnet: | gah. dominos is 45 minutes late |
| [04:27:00] | xanderp: | is 'make uninstall' a valid option on some stuff? |
| [04:27:00] | pelesmk: | ok I moved my .asoundrc file outta the way, but it still sounds the same |
| [04:27:00] | Dagmar: | If you can't, then you can try something like mkdir /tmp/foo ; make DESTDIR=/tmp/foo install` and use that as a file list |
| [04:27:00] | pelesmk: | how can I tell if my .asoundrc file is even geting used? |
| [04:27:00] | xanderp: | ahh |
| [04:28:00] | xanderp: | nice trick... thanks dagmar |
| [04:28:00] | Dagmar: | pelesmk: So playing a file (and I do mean *playing* a file) outside MythTV is chipmunking as well? |
| [04:28:00] | Dagmar: | xanderp: `uninstall` is a valid target for make in a lot of the more recently constructed makefiles |
| [04:28:00] | ShockValue: | LOL.. i get it now.. I didnt relize what "identified by [xxxxx]" meant in that sql statement :) |
| [04:28:00] | Dagmar: | You get it free with autoconf if you're smart about it |
| [04:28:00] | pelesmk: | no...if I use xmms or anything else when mythtv is stopped I get no chipmunking |
| [04:28:00] | pelesmk: | only in myth do I get the chipmunking on my line in capture |
| [04:29:00] | xanderp: | crap, *** no rule to make target uninstall. |
| [04:29:00] | pelesmk: | I use an audio cable from my tuner card to my sound card for audio |
| [04:29:00] | xanderp: | i'm going to try dagmar's suggestion |
| [04:29:00] | Dagmar: | xanderp: Well, stuff the files into some temp dir and then use it as a shopping list for what to delete |
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| [04:30:00] | xanderp: | do i need the back ` at the end? |
| [04:30:00] | ShockValue: | Is there an easy way to put new video's + info into my myth machine without actually being on my myth machine? I looked in mythweb, but didnt see anything like that |
| [04:30:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... probably not. Heh |
| [04:31:00] | xanderp: | wasn't sure |
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| [04:31:00] | Dagmar: | I'm typing in BitchX. One line entry buffer. Quite frequently I can't see the start of any sentence I am typing. |
| [04:31:00] | xanderp: | ahh |
| [04:31:00] | Dagmar: | I didn't remember whether I'd started a backtick run there or not |
| [04:31:00] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [04:31:00] | JohnP789: | How can I check whether I'm streaming video from my remote backend or reading it via smb? |
| [04:31:00] | JohnP789: | I'm trying 'mythfrontend -v network' and seeing lots of QUERY_FILETRANSFER messages when video plays. |
| [04:31:00] | JohnP789: | Does that mean I'm streaming it? |
| [04:31:00] | Dagmar: | JohnP789: tcpdump |
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| [04:34:00] | xanderp: | Dagmar: would you think i would have to do a make clean first to get it to produce output? |
| [04:35:00] | xanderp: | sorry about the simpleton questions, but i've not had much experience with manually installing things, and i don't want to screw up my mythbox... |
| [04:37:00] | NightMonkey: | hari quit... sorry, was afk |
| [04:37:00] | pelesmk: | damn...my entire day I was trying to figure this audio out and I just had a spark of thought |
| [04:38:00] | pelesmk: | I was using the keep video and audio in sync box |
| [04:38:00] | pelesmk: | which was slowing my audio or video...one or the other and cause the chipmunk voices |
| [04:38:00] | pelesmk: | none the less....now it works |
| [04:38:00] | pelesmk: | I love it |
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| [04:42:00] | pelesmk: | ok, I've got a couple stray recordings I'm trying to delete, but the error I get is File missing |
| [04:43:00] | pelesmk: | I guess I prob deleted them outside of mythtv, but mythtv won't remove them |
| [04:43:00] | pelesmk: | any ideas |
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| [04:47:00] | mishehu: | crap, I don't have my pvr250's cd and I forgot to backup the firmware... |
| [04:49:00] | pelesmk: | what's a good way to get rid of artifacting in the tv stream? |
| [04:49:00] | pelesmk: | lower quality? |
| [04:49:00] | Dagmar: | Higher quality I would ahve thought |
| [04:50:00] | Dagmar: | less _compression_ |
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| [04:57:00] | jamesschend: | Does anybody have experience installing ivtv drivers on Ubuntu? |
| [05:00:00] | jamesschend: | Hello? Is anybody here? |
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| [05:00:00] | mishehu: | I have experience doing it on slackware |
| [05:01:00] | jamesschend: | Maybe you can help me. I did the entire guide but I'm stuck at the last step, modprobe |
| [05:01:00] | jamesschend: | I get "FATAL: Module ivtv not found" |
| [05:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | did you do a depmod? |
| [05:01:00] | jamesschend: | I did depmod -a, is that correct? |
| [05:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | that should work |
| [05:01:00] | mishehu: | depmod -ae |
| [05:01:00] | jamesschend: | The guide just said "depmod" but when I Googled the problem, everyone else said "depmod -a" |
| [05:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | are your kernel sources linked right? |
| [05:02:00] | jamesschend: | I dunno. |
| [05:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | make sure /usr/src/linux is linked to the kernel tree you are using |
| [05:03:00] | jamesschend: | How do I do that? |
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| [05:03:00] | jamesschend: | I only speak english, not "programmer" sorry. |
| [05:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | find /lib/modules -name ivtv.ko |
| [05:04:00] | jamesschend: | Do I need to sudo that? |
| [05:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | you shouldn't |
| [05:05:00] | jamesschend: | I got /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ivtv.ko |
| [05:05:00] | [Klatuu]: | now |
| [05:05:00] | [Klatuu]: | uname -a |
| [05:05:00] | jamesschend: | Linux gaos 2.6.12-9–386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [05:05:00] | [Klatuu]: | what kernel version does it say you are running |
| [05:05:00] | jamesschend: | Is that the 2.6.12-9–386? |
| [05:06:00] | [Klatuu]: | yeah |
| [05:06:00] | [Klatuu]: | try |
| [05:06:00] | [Klatuu]: | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ivtv.ko |
| [05:06:00] | [Klatuu]: | you need sudo for that |
| [05:06:00] | jamesschend: | oh. |
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| [05:06:00] | jamesschend: | That explains it./ |
| [05:07:00] | jamesschend: | I really wish the ivtv guide would say when you need sudo and when you don't. It took me forever to figure that out |
| [05:07:00] | [Klatuu]: | it should be run as root |
| [05:08:00] | jamesschend: | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ivtv.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| [05:08:00] | jamesschend: | Well, I don't know how to do that, and it doesn't say to run as root in the instructions |
| [05:08:00] | jamesschend: | The old version of Ubuntu had a "root terminal" icon in the menu, but this new one doesn't. |
| [05:08:00] | [Klatuu]: | I use gentoo so I am playing it by ear |
| [05:09:00] | jamesschend: | I'm a Mac user. :( |
| [05:09:00] | jamesschend: | So I'm utterly lost. |
| [05:09:00] | jamesschend: | I just want to transfer my videotapes to DVD. |
| [05:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | you don't necessarily need ivtv or mythtv for that |
| [05:10:00] | jamesschend: | I thought ivtv was the driver for my Hauppague card? |
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| [05:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | a usb or possibly a firewire capture device along with kino would work too |
| [05:10:00] | jamesschend: | I went to the official site ,and it told me to install ivtv |
| [05:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | yeah |
| [05:10:00] | [Klatuu]: | if you want to use the hauppague card |
| [05:11:00] | phoner: | mm, I did a bunch of testing, and got a compo that makes nice files |
| [05:11:00] | jamesschend: | I'm not spending ANOTHER $150 on a different card. So yeah. |
| [05:11:00] | jamesschend: | I'd do it in Windows, except I can't find any recording software for Windows that works with Toast DVD burner |
| [05:12:00] | [Klatuu]: | what document are you using to setup ivtv? |
| [05:12:00] | jamesschend: | I started with the readme included in the package, but it was useless. |
| [05:12:00] | jamesschend: | So then I went to the website... |
| [05:12:00] | jamesschend: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto |
| [05:13:00] | jamesschend: | I followed all the instructions there to the letter, as far as I can tell. |
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| [05:13:00] | jamesschend: | But the troubleshooting page doesn't mention this error at all |
| [05:14:00] | [Klatuu]: | what directories are in /usr/src |
| [05:14:00] | jamesschend: | How do I tell? |
| [05:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | ls -F /usr/src |
| [05:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | the directories will have a trailing slash after then |
| [05:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | them |
| [05:16:00] | jamesschend: | linux-headers-2.6.12–9/ linux-headers-2.6.12-9–386/ rpm/ |
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| [05:16:00] | [Klatuu]: | ls -l /usr/src/linux |
| [05:17:00] | jamesschend: | No such file or directory |
| [05:17:00] | [Klatuu]: | hrmm |
| [05:17:00] | [Klatuu]: | weird |
| [05:17:00] | [Klatuu]: | ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9–386 /usr/src/linux |
| [05:17:00] | jamesschend: | There's 150 people in here, and none of them are using Ubuntu? :) |
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| [05:18:00] | jamesschend: | Permission denied |
| [05:18:00] | [Klatuu]: | use sudo |
| [05:19:00] | [Klatuu]: | or use su |
| [05:19:00] | jamesschend: | Ok... what am I doing? |
| [05:19:00] | ** mishehu grumbles about lirc ** | |
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| [05:19:00] | [Klatuu]: | you are creating a symlink from your current kernel headers to linux |
| [05:19:00] | jamesschend: | Why? That wasn't in any of the instructions |
| [05:20:00] | jamesschend: | symlink is like a shortcut right? |
| [05:20:00] | [Klatuu]: | perhaps it was assumed it would be there :) |
| [05:20:00] | jamesschend: | well it's a fresh install of Ubuntu right off the CD :( |
| [05:22:00] | [Klatuu]: | to me it sounds like your ivtv drivers were installed in the wrong modules directory |
| [05:22:00] | jamesschend: | Is there more than one? |
| [05:23:00] | [Klatuu]: | depmod and modprobe will look in the directory based on your kernel version |
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| [05:23:00] | [Klatuu]: | ls -F /lib/modules |
| [05:23:00] | jamesschend: | 2.6.10-5–386/ 2.6.12-9–386/ ivtv-fw-dec.bin ivtv_init_mpeg.bin |
| [05:23:00] | jamesschend: | 2.6.12/ HcwMakoA.ROM ivtv-fw-enc.bin |
| [05:24:00] | [Klatuu]: | the find I had you run earlier said ivtv was in the 2.6.12 directory |
| [05:24:00] | [Klatuu]: | the uname -a says you are running 2.6.12-9–386 |
| [05:24:00] | jamesschend: | I just followed the instructions |
| [05:24:00] | [Klatuu]: | the ivtv modules should be in the /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ subtree |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | so do the ln like I asked earlier |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | do a make clean in your ivtv directory |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | the a make |
| [05:25:00] | jamesschend: | I did that |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | and a make install |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | depmod -av |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | modprobe ivtv |
| [05:25:00] | jamesschend: | does it matter where my ivtv directory is? It's on my desktop |
| [05:25:00] | [Klatuu]: | all as root |
| [05:26:00] | [Klatuu]: | no |
| [05:26:00] | jamesschend: | How do I do it as root? |
| [05:26:00] | [Klatuu]: | open up a command window and type su |
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| [05:26:00] | [Klatuu]: | then put in your root password |
| [05:26:00] | AppleBoy: | this is interesting, with my HD3000 I can watch analog with tvtime, but not mythtv :/ |
| [05:26:00] | jamesschend: | Authentication failure |
| [05:26:00] | AppleBoy: | any ideas as to why? |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | well then do sudo for every command after make |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | sudo make install |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | sudo /sbin/depmod -av |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | sudo /sbin/modprobe ivtv |
| [05:27:00] | jamesschend: | Ok so make. |
| [05:27:00] | jamesschend: | No, make clean first? |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | yes |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | make clean first |
| [05:27:00] | jamesschend: | Ok, then make |
| [05:27:00] | [Klatuu]: | yes |
| [05:28:00] | jamesschend: | Is there a reason this is so hard? Why isn't it just in the package manager? |
| [05:28:00] | [Klatuu]: | ask the ubuntu developers |
| [05:28:00] | jamesschend: | I already tried that channel, nobody there was helpful. |
| [05:28:00] | jamesschend: | Except to tell me to come here. |
| [05:28:00] | [Klatuu]: | ivtv is in portage for gentoo |
| [05:29:00] | [Klatuu]: | but it is an older version |
| [05:29:00] | [Klatuu]: | I have to manually install the newest versions |
| [05:29:00] | jamesschend: | Do I have to do that firmware install again? |
| [05:29:00] | [Klatuu]: | no |
| [05:29:00] | jamesschend: | Good, that was a pain. |
| [05:29:00] | [Klatuu]: | you only have to do that when people recommend a new version of the firmware |
| [05:29:00] | jamesschend: | Yikes |
| [05:30:00] | jamesschend: | Depmod is spitting hundreds of lines of text at me |
| [05:30:00] | [Klatuu]: | don't worry |
| [05:30:00] | [Klatuu]: | the -v is verbose |
| [05:30:00] | mishehu: | hmm... is it possible to lirc with two devices? I have some weird serial port IR device to switch the channels on my cable box, and I also have an atiusb device. but the configuration (for build) only seems to allow one driver at a time... |
| [05:30:00] | jamesschend: | I still got "module ivtv not found" |
| [05:30:00] | jamesschend: | After all this |
| [05:31:00] | [Klatuu]: | find /lib/modules -name ivtv.ko |
| [05:31:00] | jamesschend: | /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ivtv.ko |
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| [05:32:00] | mishehu: | try putting it in /lib/modules/{uname -r}/misc ? |
| [05:32:00] | mishehu: | thats where mine is. |
| [05:32:00] | mishehu: | err |
| [05:32:00] | mishehu: | wait, I lied |
| [05:33:00] | mishehu: | thats where it USED to be. |
| [05:33:00] | mishehu: | I guess mine IS now in the ivtv dir |
| [05:33:00] | [Klatuu]: | find /lib/modules -name ivtv.ko -exec cp {} /lib/modules/{uname -r}ivtv |
| [05:33:00] | [Klatuu]: | find /lib/modules -name ivtv.ko -exec cp {} /lib/modules/{uname -r}ivtv \; |
| [05:34:00] | [Klatuu]: | then rerun depmod |
| [05:34:00] | mishehu: | there's other modules taht connect into it I think. |
| [05:34:00] | jamesschend: | cp: invalid option — } |
| [05:34:00] | jamesschend: | Try `cp --help' for more information. |
| [05:34:00] | [Klatuu]: | yeah there are |
| [05:35:00] | [Klatuu]: | cp whatever is in /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ to /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:35:00] | AppleBoy: | anybody? |
| [05:35:00] | jamesschend: | Uh |
| [05:35:00] | [Klatuu]: | cp /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ * /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:36:00] | jamesschend: | Thanks. Remember, I have no clue. |
| [05:36:00] | jamesschend: | I went from a Commodore 64 to a Mac Plus and haven't typed any commands in since. |
| [05:36:00] | [Klatuu]: | linu is not user friendly |
| [05:36:00] | [Klatuu]: | it chooses who it's friends are |
| [05:36:00] | [Klatuu]: | no commands in OSX? |
| [05:36:00] | jamesschend: | Not even remotely close, also my friends who told me this owuld be easier are liarsa. |
| [05:36:00] | jamesschend: | I'm sure there are tons, but you don't NEED them. |
| [05:37:00] | jamesschend: | For instance, to copy these files in OS X I can open up the folders in Finder and drag the icons over. |
| [05:37:00] | jamesschend: | Since they are "root" it'll ask your password. You put in the password, and bam, done. |
| [05:37:00] | [Klatuu]: | if you are going to use linux you should pickup some book on the basic commands |
| [05:37:00] | jamesschend: | Ubuntu just says "permission denied" |
| [05:37:00] | jamesschend: | I don't want to use Linux other than just to make DVDs out of my VHS tapes |
| [05:37:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: sounds painful. |
| [05:37:00] | mishehu: | heh |
| [05:38:00] | jamesschend: | I get the specified directory does not exist |
| [05:38:00] | jamesschend: | On your last command. |
| [05:38:00] | jamesschend: | There are a ton of pirating programs to turn DVDs into mpegs. |
| [05:38:00] | mishehu: | they're not necessarily for pirating. |
| [05:38:00] | jamesschend: | But there's NOTHING to grab mpegs from video capture and turn it into DVDs. I looked for like half a year on Windows and didn't find crap. |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | I had to use one in order to watch a dvd that I legally own. |
| [05:39:00] | jamesschend: | Well, maybe not, but it seems that legimate users would be more interested in backing up tapes to DVD than duplicating commercial movies |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | I never touched dvd rippers before ever. |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | not true |
| [05:39:00] | jamesschend: | I bet 90% of people who use them rip stuff they rent from blockbuster |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | ever hear of disc rot? |
| [05:39:00] | jamesschend: | No |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | well it happens |
| [05:39:00] | jamesschend: | ... and it is? |
| [05:39:00] | [Klatuu]: | there are no utils in OSX to grab video from a capture device? |
| [05:39:00] | mishehu: | it's when the insides (the silvery stuff) disintegrates over time. |
| [05:40:00] | jamesschend: | It doesn't mean much to me that the thing I've never heard of happens. :) |
| [05:40:00] | [Klatuu]: | I've had DVD rot |
| [05:40:00] | [Klatuu]: | 2 discs have it |
| [05:40:00] | jamesschend: | Klatuu: Probably, but a PC video capture card is $150 and a Mac one is $500 |
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| [05:40:00] | jamesschend: | Despite what Apple thinks, not all Mac owners are rich. |
| [05:40:00] | [Klatuu]: | you just need a firewire capture device that has composite inputs |
| [05:40:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: anyway, let's start from the top... |
| [05:40:00] | [Klatuu]: | they shouldn't be $500 |
| [05:40:00] | jamesschend: | Well, I already have this one and I can't return it. |
| [05:41:00] | mishehu: | uname -r for me (I am assuming everything you do from here out is as root until I finish) |
| [05:41:00] | [Klatuu]: | I see |
| [05:41:00] | jamesschend: | If I had $500, I'd just re-buy the movies. |
| [05:41:00] | jamesschend: | It'd be about 50 times easier than this process. ;) |
| [05:41:00] | ** [Klatuu] has a few VHS movies to rip to DVD ** | |
| [05:41:00] | [Klatuu]: | I don't see them coming to DVD anytime soon |
| [05:42:00] | [Klatuu]: | I use a Pinnacle Moviebox DV and kino to do the video capture |
| [05:42:00] | ** AppleBoy puts his name in the que for help when people are able to ** | |
| [05:42:00] | jamesschend: | Well, I didn't realize that there was zero software out there when I bought the card. The Hauppage software that came with it works... |
| [05:42:00] | jamesschend: | but it produces mpeg2 files that no DVD burner utility can cope with for some reason. |
| [05:42:00] | jamesschend: | Anwyay, uname -r |
| [05:43:00] | jamesschend: | 2.6.12-9–386 |
| [05:43:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: is there a /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386 dir? |
| [05:43:00] | jamesschend: | How long does it take for DVDs to wear out? |
| [05:43:00] | jamesschend: | How do I tell, mish? |
| [05:43:00] | jamesschend: | ls something? |
| [05:43:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: depends on many things, including how it was manufactured, the batch it was a part of, and how you store them. |
| [05:44:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: ls /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386 |
| [05:44:00] | jamesschend: | I keep mine in their cases all the time, and handle them by the edges |
| [05:44:00] | mishehu: | if it doesn't report "file not found" then it's there |
| [05:44:00] | jamesschend: | It doesn't say file not found |
| [05:45:00] | [Klatuu]: | oh wait |
| [05:45:00] | mishehu: | does it show pretty much what you type? |
| [05:45:00] | [Klatuu]: | I know what is wrong |
| [05:45:00] | mishehu: | [Klatuu]: Verada Nitko! |
| [05:45:00] | jamesschend: | jamesschend@gaos:~/Desktop/ivtv$ ls /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386 |
| [05:45:00] | jamesschend: | build madwifi modules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.symbols |
| [05:45:00] | jamesschend: | initrd modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.pcimap modules.usbmap |
| [05:45:00] | jamesschend: | kernel modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap modules.seriomap volatile |
| [05:45:00] | [Klatuu]: | mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:45:00] | jamesschend: | That is what I typed and what came back |
| [05:45:00] | [Klatuu]: | cp /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ * /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:45:00] | [Klatuu]: | ivtv doesn't exist in the other modules directory |
| [05:46:00] | mchou: | jamesschend: apple doesnt care if you're rich or not |
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| [05:46:00] | feld: | hey got a Q |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | This is what I got, is this normal: |
| [05:46:00] | mchou: | as long as you can afford their stuff :) |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | jamesschend@gaos:~/Desktop/ivtv$ sudo cp /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/ * /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `/lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/' |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `doc' |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `driver' |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `linux-headers-2.6.12-9–386' |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `misc' |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `test' |
| [05:46:00] | feld: | pvr-250 can i record a show and watch another at the same time? |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | cp: omitting directory `utils' |
| [05:46:00] | _Nero_: | whoa.. |
| [05:46:00] | jamesschend: | I know, but I broke the bank with the dual G5. |
| [05:46:00] | _Nero_: | lets use some pastebin here.. |
| [05:47:00] | jamesschend: | The $500 video capture card was breaking the camel's back. |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | yeah, stop spamming the channel |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | $500? what card is this? |
| [05:47:00] | jamesschend: | Spamming the channel? Nobody here's even saying anything except this problem anyway. :P |
| [05:47:00] | feld: | jamesschend: thats spam |
| [05:47:00] | feld: | dont post that much crap |
| [05:47:00] | _Nero_: | ok. not spamming.. lets not flood the channel.. |
| [05:47:00] | feld: | su.nu/p |
| [05:47:00] | feld: | use that pastebin |
| [05:47:00] | jamesschend: | What am I supposed to do to confirm if it worked? |
| [05:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | feld: Well, you can't use the 250's to tune into 2 channels at once, but myth can certainly be recording a show off the card while you are watching something that was previously recorded |
| [05:48:00] | [Klatuu]: | depmod -a |
| [05:48:00] | [Klatuu]: | modprobe ivtv |
| [05:48:00] | jamesschend: | I don't know what pastebin is, or what su.nu/p does |
| [05:48:00] | DarkBeer: | topic |
| [05:48:00] | jamesschend: | Same error as before |
| [05:48:00] | feld: | GreyFoxx: good to know! |
| [05:48:00] | [Klatuu]: | do the find thing again |
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| [05:49:00] | _Nero_: | jamesschen: then point your browser to www.pastebin.com and use it.. :) |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | jamesschend: pastebin( .com or .ca) allow you to place many lines of text/output/code/whatever on a wiki like page and post a direct link to it here. that way people can see it, or update it but it wont "flood" the channel |
| [05:49:00] | feld: | otherwise i can record something on mythtv and change the channel on the tv which also has coax running to it |
| [05:49:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: remove the space from the command |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | feld: certainly |
| [05:49:00] | jamesschend: | remove the space from which command? |
| [05:49:00] | mishehu: | sudo cp /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv/* /lib/modules/2.6.12-9–386/ivtv/ |
| [05:49:00] | mishehu: | you had a space between the / and the * |
| [05:49:00] | jamesschend: | And it was only like 6 lines of text. |
| [05:50:00] | mishehu: | and that makes a world of difference |
| [05:50:00] | jamesschend: | OH, I see. |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | mishehu: never use cp -a? |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:50:00] | feld: | GreyFoxx: thx for the info. i'm just waiting for the rest of my parts to arive to assemble my box |
| [05:50:00] | jamesschend: | Ok, now it didn't give me the error. |
| [05:50:00] | jamesschend: | It didn't say anything at all |
| [05:50:00] | [Klatuu]: | now do a dmesg |
| [05:51:00] | [Klatuu]: | you should see some ivtv stuff |
| [05:51:00] | mishehu: | mchou: cp, or with R or p for me... |
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| [05:51:00] | jamesschend: | The last two lines, which I won't paste here, GOD FORBID, start with ivtv |
| [05:51:00] | [Klatuu]: | does it mention something successful? |
| [05:51:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: error about firmware? |
| [05:51:00] | jamesschend: | Oh, wait a whole bunch of lines so. |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | It says start init ivtv and a bunch of stuff and end init ivtv |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | O dpm |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | I don't see anything about errors in it. |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | But I don't know what to look for, either. |
| [05:52:00] | [Klatuu]: | paste all that to pastebin |
| [05:52:00] | [Klatuu]: | from the ivtv start line |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | do I use the .com or .ca website? |
| [05:52:00] | [Klatuu]: | .com |
| [05:52:00] | jamesschend: | Even pasting text into a chat room is hard in the Linux world, sheesh. |
| [05:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | you are in seattle |
| [05:53:00] | jamesschend: | How do I use this? Use PHP syntax highlighting? |
| [05:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | so use pastebin.com |
| [05:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | don't worry about that |
| [05:53:00] | mishehu: | yeah, hard to point and click... I support windows users who have problems with pointing and clicking all day long |
| [05:53:00] | jamesschend: | I support Windows users, too. |
| [05:53:00] | mishehu: | PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT PHP BEHIND THE CURTAIN! |
| [05:53:00] | [Klatuu]: | I support no one |
| [05:54:00] | [Klatuu]: | but myselt |
| [05:54:00] | [Klatuu]: | mself |
| [05:54:00] | mishehu: | [Klatuu]: you support jamesschend |
| [05:54:00] | jamesschend: | But Windows is a whole lot easier than this. The hardest part about installing this on Windows is hitting "continue anyway" at the logo warning |
| [05:54:00] | [Klatuu]: | I don't have to support people for a living |
| [05:54:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: no, the hardest part on windows installations is when they seem to work but don't. |
| [05:55:00] | jamesschend: | From my experience, about 75% of the time it's a hardware fault, and the other 25% it's user error. |
| [05:55:00] | jamesschend: | Ok, I pasted it. |
| [05:55:00] | [Klatuu]: | now paste the URL it gave you into the channel |
| [05:55:00] | jamesschend: | It didn't give me aurl |
| [05:55:00] | _Nero_: | did you click submit? |
| [05:55:00] | jamesschend: | It just shows what I pasted |
| [05:55:00] | jamesschend: | Yeah. |
| [05:56:00] | _Nero_: | then copy the url from the url bar.. |
| [05:56:00] | jamesschend: | http://pastebin.com/399421 |
| [05:56:00] | ** _Nero_ applauds ** | |
| [05:56:00] | jamesschend: | Don't condescend. This is the first time I've used this chatroom, the first time I've used "pastebin" |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | looks like you are good to go |
| [05:57:00] | jamesschend: | The first time I've ever tried to use Linux, and I've been at it two days and it still doesn't work so I don't have a lot of patience left. |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | I don't see any problems in your dmesg output |
| [05:57:00] | jamesschend: | And I still don't see why it's such a big deal if I paste in text when this is the only conversation going on anyway. |
| [05:57:00] | [Klatuu]: | now you can move on to figuing the rest out |
| [05:57:00] | jamesschend: | Good. Now all I need is a program. ;) |
| [05:57:00] | _Nero_: | james- then linux probably isnt for you.. I have been using it for 6 years, and it still doesnt work.. ;) (BTW: I wasnt being condescending.. was just ribbing you a little) |
| [05:58:00] | jamesschend: | What bothers me is that the makers of ivtv could have spent 5 minutes following their own instructions to see if they work. |
| [05:58:00] | [Klatuu]: | jamesschend: some people on IRC are anal about "flooding" |
| [05:58:00] | jamesschend: | And because the people who *know* it don't do it, the people like me who don't know crap run into 50,000 problems. |
| [05:58:00] | [Klatuu]: | jamesschend: the instructions will probably work for 95% of the people who try it |
| [05:59:00] | [Klatuu]: | there are always unforeseen problems some people have |
| [05:59:00] | jamesschend: | The instructions in the readme that came with it are different than on the webpage. |
| [05:59:00] | jamesschend: | So one of them is definately wrong. |
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| [06:00:00] | jamesschend: | So does anybody know of a *SIMPLE* and *EASY* program I can use to tune into channel 3, hit record, and get a mpeg2 file with? |
| [06:00:00] | Chutt: | wrong channel to be asking that in. |
| [06:00:00] | jamesschend: | What channel is the right one? |
| [06:00:00] | Chutt: | i wouldn't know. |
| [06:00:00] | Chutt: | this also really isn't the place for ivtv installation. |
| [06:01:00] | jamesschend: | You're being very helpful, then. |
| [06:01:00] | Chutt: | since they have their own channel. |
| [06:01:00] | [Klatuu]: | google "linux video capture software" |
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| [06:01:00] | jamesschend: | Well, I've been here a hour, Chutt, and you're the first one to mind. |
| [06:01:00] | Chutt: | someone's touchy. |
| [06:02:00] | DarkBeer: | 2 days of using Linux can do that to you |
| [06:02:00] | DarkBeer: | ;P |
| [06:02:00] | jamesschend: | I don't see why you're telling me I did it in the wrong channel after I've alreyady finished |
| [06:02:00] | Chutt: | because i just got here? |
| [06:02:00] | jamesschend: | Other than to be a jerk. |
| [06:02:00] | Chutt: | yeah, telling you that you're in the wrong place is being a jerk. |
| [06:02:00] | Chutt: | grow up. |
| [06:03:00] | jamesschend: | Look, this process is hard enough. |
| [06:03:00] | jamesschend: | If you tell me I'm in the wrong channel, but you don't know the *right* channel, that's not productive... that's a dead-end for me. |
| [06:03:00] | mishehu: | jamesschend: btw, about your comments on being new to linux... be thankful you didn't start back in 1994... thats when I did, with slackware |
| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | sure it is |
| [06:03:00] | mishehu: | and there was no google to ask |
| [06:03:00] | mishehu: | heh |
| [06:03:00] | jamesschend: | All I want to do is copy my VHS tapes to DVD. That's ALL. |
| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | then you're in the wrong place, completely. |
| [06:03:00] | _Nero_: | then why are you using mythtv?? |
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| [06:03:00] | Chutt: | mythtv is a pvr application |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | Where's the right place? |
| [06:04:00] | Krazylegz: | Time sheefting. |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | Look, I went to #ubuntu and they told me to go to #myth |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | And they told me to go to #mythtv |
| [06:04:00] | Chutt: | you were told wrong, there. |
| [06:04:00] | mishehu: | I don't think there's an ivtv channel around ehre |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | And they told me to go to #mythtv-users |
| [06:04:00] | Krazylegz: | This isn't #myth, it's #mythtv-users. Still the wrong place, though. |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | Fine, I was TOLD WRONG. |
| [06:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | #ivtv-dev |
| [06:04:00] | mishehu: | guys |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | But I got it working regardless. |
| [06:04:00] | jamesschend: | And now I'm just looking for a video recording program. |
| [06:04:00] | Krazylegz: | See! We helped. :-) |
| [06:04:00] | mishehu: | [Klatuu]: I somehow doubt there's many ppl there... |
| [06:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | there are a few |
| [06:04:00] | [Klatuu]: | but it isn't active |
| [06:04:00] | mishehu: | lay off the guy. |
| [06:05:00] | Chutt: | i'd lay off if he wasn't acting like a 3 year old |
| [06:05:00] | jamesschend: | O |
| [06:05:00] | jamesschend: | I |
| [06:05:00] | jamesschend: | I'm not acting like a 3 year old, I'm trying to solve my problem. |
| [06:05:00] | _Nero_: | mishehu- lol.. why? The guy comes in here, wants help on his own terms, and moans and groans when he doesnt get exactly what he wants.. |
| [06:05:00] | Chutt: | then go find a better place to solve it |
| [06:05:00] | mishehu: | Chutt: sometimes you exascerbate a situation that way, when it can be more easily be defused. |
| [06:05:00] | Chutt: | mishehu, yes, i do. =) |
| [06:05:00] | jamesschend: | Where do I go then, Chutt? |
| [06:05:00] | Chutt: | i honestly don't care where you go |
| [06:05:00] | DarkBeer: | that's it! I'm taking my ball and going home... |
| [06:06:00] | jamesschend: | Look, maybe the people in #ubuntu told me the wrong channel, but it worked for me so it oculdn't have been THAT wrong. |
| [06:06:00] | Chutt: | this channel is for supporting mythtv. if you don't want to use that |
| [06:06:00] | ** [Klatuu] eeds food ** | |
| [06:06:00] | Chutt: | that's _your_ problem, not ours |
| [06:06:00] | jamesschend: | Nobody objected to it until you came in after the problem was already solved. |
| [06:06:00] | Chutt: | because most people are nicer than i am. |
| [06:06:00] | jamesschend: | So unless you were planning to rewind time and kick me out an hour ago, I don't even know why you brought it up. |
| [06:06:00] | Chutt: | and ivtv is semi-related to myth. |
| [06:06:00] | Chutt: | just pointing out that you were going even further off topic than you had already gone. |
| [06:08:00] | klk: | so i'm trying to use mythweb to look at my music. |
| [06:08:00] | klk: | when i click on a file, it just displays the binary crap in the browser |
| [06:08:00] | jamesschend: | Well, I apologize for not being a supergenius and needing help. |
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| [06:08:00] | Krazylegz: | klk: MIME type problem? |
| [06:08:00] | Krazylegz: | Try right-click Save As. |
| [06:08:00] | Chutt: | in other news, 'shadow of the colossus' is most excellent. |
| [06:09:00] | klk: | Krazylegz: i could do that |
| [06:09:00] | Krazylegz: | klk: Does it work? |
| [06:09:00] | klk: | Krazylegz: but I know theres someplace I can just add it on the server so it knows what to do |
| [06:09:00] | Krazylegz: | klk: httpd.conf (more recently: apache.conf). |
| [06:10:00] | mishehu: | *sigh* |
| [06:10:00] | mishehu: | well, mr. vhs left. |
| [06:10:00] | klk: | theres a file /etc/httpd/conf/magic |
| [06:11:00] | Krazylegz: | I forget. That could be it. |
| [06:11:00] | klk: | I just want to tell the server that a flac file is a special think |
| [06:11:00] | klk: | *thing |
| [06:11:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:11:00] | Krazylegz: | I'd try an Apache channel before Chutt yells at you. :-P |
| [06:11:00] | klk: | uh oh |
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| [06:11:00] | Chutt: | mythweb's myth :p |
| [06:11:00] | Krazylegz: | It's a MIME type issue! |
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| [06:13:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:13:00] | mishehu: | yeah, chutt is on the warpath tonight. heh. |
| [06:13:00] | Chutt: | and i wasn't even mean, aside from saying he was acting like a little kid |
| [06:14:00] | Chutt: | i don't know of a channel that supports video recording apps in linux, do you? |
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| [06:14:00] | mishehu: | well, I still haven't figured out the best way to deal with the "it's so much easier to do X in Y than in linux" newbies... |
| [06:14:00] | Chutt: | tell them you use Y, and stop trying to help them |
| [06:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Chutt: I don't even know what software you use for that. Having a PVR-X50, I just use dd if=/dev/video of=/myfile |
| [06:14:00] | _Nero_: | #usingLinuxForSomeStrangeReasonToConvertVHSTapesToDVD ?? |
| [06:15:00] | mishehu: | but usually keeping them from being defensive seems to leave them easier to err... manipulate |
| [06:15:00] | Chutt: | because, really, all they're going to do is whine about it until they give up |
| [06:15:00] | Chutt: | then go do X in Y and say 'haha, you suck, X in Y is soooo much easier' |
| [06:15:00] | mishehu: | Chutt: it's the NYC syndrome... familiar with that? |
| [06:15:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [06:16:00] | mishehu: | Chutt: "The streets are better in NYC..." "The buses are better in NYC..." "The food is better in NYC..." |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | ah |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:16:00] | mishehu: | it's a typical nyc attitude... especially when the ny'er isn't around... |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | it's like the 'Starting to think I should use Kaffeine instead of Mythtv' moron on the users list |
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| [06:16:00] | _Nero_: | Well, when it comes to food, I do have to admit... ;) |
| [06:16:00] | mishehu: | what's kaffeine? |
| [06:17:00] | mishehu: | sounds familiar |
| [06:17:00] | Chutt: | some kde dvb viewer app |
| [06:17:00] | mishehu: | ah |
| [06:17:00] | Chutt: | guy posts an email with that subject to the users list, and people come out of the woodwork to try and help him |
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| [06:19:00] | mishehu: | Chutt: there's enough bleeding hearts and artists out there |
| [06:19:00] | Chutt: | not enough artists |
| [06:19:00] | Chutt: | i need an artist for theme stuff =) |
| [06:19:00] | mishehu: | yeah, I'm a pretty bad one |
| [06:19:00] | mishehu: | heh |
| [06:20:00] | _Nero_: | I promise I'll finish my theme.. doh! |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | I really wish there was a method for stabbing people in the face over the internet |
| [06:22:00] | mishehu: | anybody ever going to fix the usability of mythmusic? ;-) |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | They need that feature |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | if any ISP comes up with that feature. |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | I'll sign up for their service. |
| [06:22:00] | mishehu: | Cardoe: blunt objects in the face work better |
| [06:22:00] | mishehu: | stabbing goes in the chest |
| [06:22:00] | mishehu: | or stomach |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | mishehu: no |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | face |
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| [06:25:00] | Krazylegz: | What's wrong with the usability of MythMusic? |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | everyone hates it |
| [06:26:00] | Chutt: | but apparently, the way to fix it is to make it harder to select things |
| [06:26:00] | _Nero_: | How about a coverflow version of mythmusic? |
| [06:26:00] | Chutt: | cover browsing doesn't scale |
| [06:27:00] | Chutt: | and i couldn't ever get a good automated way of grabbing covers to work |
| [06:27:00] | _Nero_: | this is true.. though I found once I installed coverflow on my Mac, I completely stopped using iTunes to select my music.. |
| [06:27:00] | Chutt: | oh, that's a specific program? |
| [06:27:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:27:00] | _Nero_: | yeah.. |
| [06:27:00] | Krazylegz: | Meh, MythMusic works. |
| [06:28:00] | _Nero_: | http://www.steelskies.com/coverflow/HomePage.html <--- openGL based. |
| [06:28:00] | _Nero_: | its more a novelty than anything, but reminds me of the days, flipping through albums, looking for something to listen to.. |
| [06:28:00] | Chutt: | looks nice |
| [06:28:00] | Krazylegz: | This isn't MacMythUsers. :-P |
| [06:28:00] | mishehu: | I'm actually not sure how to make it any better, but my gf hates having to search by artist alphabetically, then it's hard to reorder songs, etc. |
| [06:28:00] | Chutt: | mythmusic is designed on how i listen to music =) |
| [06:28:00] | Krazylegz: | Flipping through covers would be nice, sure. |
| [06:29:00] | Krazylegz: | Preferences->MythMusic->Chutt's Myth |
| [06:29:00] | mishehu: | you believe that myth? *rimshot* |
| [06:29:00] | _Nero_: | I just want the ability to set mythmusic playing, and then go look at pictures, weather, etc.. |
| [06:30:00] | Chutt: | yeah, that doesn't work because i'm lazy |
| [06:30:00] | Krazylegz: | _Nero_: That's something I'd like too. |
| [06:30:00] | Chutt: | it really wouldn't be _that_ difficult to do |
| [06:30:00] | Chutt: | some rearranging of the code |
| [06:30:00] | _Nero_: | Chutt- are you isaac? |
| [06:31:00] | Chutt: | yes |
| [06:31:00] | _Nero_: | ahh.. all makes sense now.. :) |
| [06:31:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha! |
| [06:32:00] | _Nero_: | (just in terms of some of your comments here, and some things you have said on the list) |
| [06:33:00] | _Nero_: | can a plugin for mythmusic (visualization) access song title, current time, etc.. info? |
| [06:33:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [06:34:00] | Krazylegz: | WHICH PLUGIN TELL ME NOW. |
| [06:34:00] | Chutt: | i thought that was a hypothetical question |
| [06:34:00] | _Nero_: | it was.. |
| [06:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. Dang. |
| [06:34:00] | Krazylegz: | Er......one more beer and then bed. |
| [06:34:00] | _Nero_: | I was picturing a visualization, that looks like that coverflow.. and would flip through the albums as the songs changed.. and also display the current track name, time, etc.. |
| [06:35:00] | _Nero_: | and as my knowledge of OpenGL is going up, was thinking about taking a stab at it. |
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| [06:43:00] | mchou: | goddamn comcast |
| [06:44:00] | Krazylegz: | mchou: You're telling me. |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: comcast smtp server locked me out...... |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | and I wasnt even spamming |
| [06:45:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh. Well, get a real SMTP server. :-) |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | bah. too much trouble. |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | have to resort to lame kludges |
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| [06:51:00] | mishehu: | I cough up extra so that I don't have to use Stupid Bastard Cocksuckers' SMTP server... |
| [06:51:00] | mishehu: | (SBC in case you didn't notice it) |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [06:52:00] | Krazylegz: | I've used school, webmails or company email for like the last 6 years. |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | webmail is lame |
| [06:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Though, Hotmail did rope me in for like $20/year. |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: fool |
| [06:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Well, I only use GMail and Hotmail, which I can both use through my POP client. |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: hotwayd :) |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | and hotsmptd |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | Krazylegz: what pop client is this? |
| [06:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Er, umm, I don't want to say.... |
| [06:54:00] | mchou: | haha, Look Out? |
| [06:54:00] | Krazylegz: | No, not exactly, it's "faster" than that... |
| [06:54:00] | mchou: | telnet? :) |
| [06:56:00] | Krazylegz: | OE. |
| [06:56:00] | ** Krazylegz hides ** | |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | you deserve to be shot |
| [06:57:00] | Agrajag-: | why do people use pop with gmail? doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose? |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: huh??? |
| [06:57:00] | Krazylegz: | I still get the storage space. If there was another client that let me see all of my accounts in the same place, I'd use it. |
| [06:58:00] | Krazylegz: | GMail's web interface rocks, though. |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | not having to look at avertising is worth it :) |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | advertising* |
| [06:58:00] | mishehu: | it'll be nice if this stupid athlon xp can manage to compile mythtv without segfaulting on internal compiler error (assumed tobe caused by it overheating as usual) |
| [06:58:00] | Krazylegz: | I've used Opera for years and never even noticed the advertising until someone pointed it out. |
| [06:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Now it's ad-free, of course. |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | mishehu: my xp's dont have that problem |
| [06:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Bedtime/ |
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| [06:59:00] | mchou: | mishehu: and I thought you upgrasded to A64 |
| [06:59:00] | Agrajag-: | mchou: i thought the purpose of gmail was teh massive storage and webmail. using pop doesn't give you those benefits (i dont really count webmail as a benefit though) |
| [07:00:00] | mishehu: | mchou: I have two a64, yes... but the mythtv box is the athlon xp 3200+ |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | Agrajag-: webmail is pretty lame unless you on the road w/o computer..... |
| [07:01:00] | Agrajag-: | yep |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | let's how FEMA does this time with Wilma |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | goobers |
| [07:05:00] | mishehu: | WIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLMAAAAAAAA! |
| [07:12:00] | fryfrog: | my mom's cats are named ivan and wilma |
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| [07:14:00] | Dagmar: | On the contrary, if you pull your email from GMail with POP, it's *still* all available through the webmail interface. |
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| [07:15:00] | Dagmar: | Gmail's service won't delete mails when the popclient sez to. It just flags them as archived |
| [07:15:00] | mishehu: | gmail's policy even states that you might think you've deleted you mail |
| [07:15:00] | mishehu: | but they might retain it |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | I don't see this as a bad thing. |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | It means I don't have to go home to get at some email I read a month ago |
| [07:16:00] | Dagmar: | I can easily pull it up in the gmail archive |
| [07:17:00] | Agrajag-: | i dunno i'd find it anonying to have emails stored in multiple places |
| [07:18:00] | Dagmar: | I've been using it like this for months. |
| [07:18:00] | Dagmar: | It doesn't get confusing. |
| [07:18:00] | Dagmar: | Everything that's been pulled down with POP immediately gets relegated to the Archive folder on the webmail interface. |
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| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | I just prefer imap to pop |
| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | heh |
| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | anyway, sleep time |
| [07:26:00] | xris: | mishehu: is there any comparison? |
| [07:26:00] | xris: | pop sucks compared to imap |
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| [07:29:00] | ** xris kicks ivtv ** | |
| [07:29:00] | xris: | stupid thing occasionally records files that transcode can't read. |
| [07:29:00] | xris: | good thing I added force_mythtranscode to nuvexport |
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| [07:48:00] | xris: | new nuvexport (minor feature addition to compensate for more corrupt ivtv files) |
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| [08:10:00] | Dagmar: | Damn |
| [08:10:00] | Dagmar: | What on earth version of ffmpeg do people have? |
| [08:12:00] | NightMonkey: | Dagmar: ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20050906 |
| [08:13:00] | Rince: | crystalball:~# ffmpeg -v |
| [08:13:00] | Rince: | ffmpeg version CVS, build 3276800, |
| [08:14:00] | Rince: | (because I have an adm64, standard-ffmpeg doesn't compile |
| [08:17:00] | Dagmar: | I think the package is just hosed. |
| [08:17:00] | Dagmar: | ...or at least this "acl" version is cooked all the way through |
| [08:17:00] | Dagmar: | I'm about to pull the bloody thing from CVS if I can't get libquicktime to behave, since 0.4.9pre1 isn't making it happy |
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| [08:21:00] | NightMonkey: | Dagmar: ffmpeg version CVS, build 3211266, Copyright (c) 2000–2004 Fabrice Bellard |
| [08:22:00] | NightMonkey: | Dagmar: libquicktime-0.9.7 |
| [08:22:00] | NightMonkey: | just fyi |
| [08:23:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah, that's the version of libquicktime |
| [08:23:00] | Dagmar: | I'm about to go try ffmpeg CVS |
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| [08:34:00] | Dagmar: | Looks like CVS builds. |
| [08:34:00] | Dagmar: | The *real* question is whether or not the evil libquicktime will tolerate it. |
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| [08:51:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
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| [08:59:00] | Dagmar: | I think I'm just going to have to live without quicktime support for now |
| [08:59:00] | Dagmar: | ...at least natively anywya |
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| [09:01:00] | banyan: | Is there a setting in Myth somewhere re: the volume at which the audio gets encoded? or decoded? My audio is suddenly quite quiet. |
| [09:02:00] | banyan: | after a variety of updates and upgrades. |
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| [09:27:00] | Fosten: | branyan: f10 and f11 change volume levels |
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| [09:39:00] | PaulWay: | Any Australians tried Iceguide? |
| [09:45:00] | Dagmar: | Okay, so it's just a safe bet that libquicktime doesn't link properly to ffmpeg then |
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| [10:44:00] | banyan: | So, anybody here running fc4 who can tell me offhand how many atrpms packages they're running? I have 109 — does that sound like too many? |
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| [11:02:00] | rage-: | how much of a machine is needed to run just a frontend? |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | Maybe 1Ghz |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | Whatever you can get that can play video full screen |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | ...although frankly I think 650Mhz PIII isn't out of the running. |
| [11:04:00] | Dagmar: | I can play full screen video on my notebook, and it's only a 650Mhz PIII |
| [11:05:00] | rage-: | so basically, if you can mplayer full screen video you should be alright? |
| [11:05:00] | Dagmar: | Pretty much |
| [11:05:00] | rage-: | well I've done that on my p3 500 before |
| [11:05:00] | Dagmar: | The frontend doesn't really do a whole lot that could be called CPU-intensive aside from video decoding. So long as you have an AGP video card you're set |
| [11:05:00] | rage-: | so I'd think your 650 should be able to handle it ;) |
| [11:06:00] | rage-: | how good is myth at handling two dvb cards? |
| [11:06:00] | rage-: | or two of any cards for that matter |
| [11:06:00] | Dagmar: | Dunno. I have a PVR-500, so I don't really have to worry about it. |
| [11:06:00] | rage-: | that the one with two tuners on it? |
| [11:06:00] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [11:06:00] | rage-: | how much that run you? |
| [11:07:00] | Dagmar: | $138. |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | that's it? |
| [11:07:00] | Dagmar: | It does hardware encoding, too. |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | hrm |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | where was that when I was looking... |
| [11:07:00] | Dagmar: | That was all it costs. directron.com is who I got this one from but you can usually find them for that on www.pricewatch.com |
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| [11:07:00] | rage-: | I saw like a pvr 350 or something for 160 or 170 |
| [11:07:00] | rage-: | couldn't find much for pvrs on pricewatch |
| [11:08:00] | rage-: | perhaps my search terms weren't very good |
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| [11:08:00] | Dagmar: | Just punch PVR 350 or PVR-350 into the search box |
| [11:08:00] | TheFree: | Hi all! Someone knows if there is a liveCD of MythTV? |
| [11:08:00] | Dagmar: | KnoppMyyh |
| [11:08:00] | Dagmar: | er KnoppMyth |
| [11:09:00] | TheFree: | Tks! |
| [11:12:00] | TheFree: | But it's not a live! It says :"You can use the CD as a frontend, but KnoppMyth must be installed to the hard drive" |
| [11:12:00] | rage-: | pvr-500 is analog right? |
| [11:12:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah it's analog |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | There's not a dual tuner digital get that I'm aware of |
| [11:13:00] | rage-: | that must be why the one I was looking at was so expensive |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | I'm not convinced that the digital tuner (not just the HD) would work with Comcast here |
| [11:13:00] | Dagmar: | ...otherwise I'd have tried getting that |
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| [11:13:00] | rage-: | yeah I can't see myself being happy with only an analog card for cable |
| [11:14:00] | rage-: | the analog cable here sucks |
| [11:14:00] | rage-: | all the premiums are digital |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | I'm not keen on paying double the rate |
| [11:16:00] | Dagmar: | ...especially since I mainly only watch about five channels, Sci-Fi being the majority of that |
| [11:19:00] | TheFree: | Someone knows if the Hauppauge Amity 2 and the Hauppauge Win-TV Nova-T are supported by MythTV? |
| [11:28:00] | _johnp: | Nova-T's I believe are supported via linux dvb. |
| [11:29:00] | banyan: | Are there drivers that would work with say xmltv? |
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| [11:29:00] | banyan: | sorry, tvtime? |
| [11:29:00] | Dagmar: | tvtime is the awesomest |
| [11:29:00] | Dagmar: | If you have a Bt8x8 card or something, tvtime kicks butt |
| [11:30:00] | Hoxzer: | can somebody advice me how to install linuxtv drivers? ;/ |
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| [11:33:00] | banyan: | Hoxzer, what kinda card? |
| [11:34:00] | Hoxzer: | banyan DVB-C |
| [11:34:00] | Hoxzer: | is reported to work on linux |
| [11:34:00] | Hoxzer: | at least it is in the list |
| [11:34:00] | Hoxzer: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_DVB_cards |
| [11:37:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | wish there was ANY supported ISDB-T card... |
| [11:38:00] | Hoxzer: | and someone said it should work if you install kernel 2.6.11 which I already have and linuxtv drivers which I don |
| [11:38:00] | Hoxzer: | 't have installed and I dunno how to install them |
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| [11:39:00] | David49: | erwrerr |
| [11:39:00] | David49: | hellllooooooo |
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| [11:40:00] | banyan: | hm, so, um, what driver is it supposed to take Hoxzer? |
| [11:41:00] | Hoxzer: | http://www.kfalck.net/blog.php?id=47 |
| [11:41:00] | banyan: | You'll need some kind of kernel driver, and v4l2. |
| [11:41:00] | Hoxzer: | it just says "linuxtv drivers" |
| [11:42:00] | banyan: | hmm, I know bttv and I know ivtv but linuxtv is a new one on me. |
| [11:42:00] | Hoxzer: | :D I can't understand why they can't include this kind of stuff into knoppmyth |
| [11:42:00] | banyan: | have you googled it? |
| [11:42:00] | Hoxzer: | banyan: yeas and A lot |
| [11:42:00] | banyan: | did you find anything? |
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| [11:43:00] | Hoxzer: | banyan: I found this but I don't think its right http://www.linuxtv.org/cvs.php |
| [11:44:00] | banyan: | why don't you think that's right? |
| [11:44:00] | banyan: | are you up for compiling something? |
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| [11:44:00] | Cagochi: | Does anybody here recommend FVWM? |
| [11:44:00] | banyan: | they want you to extract the source from a cvs archive. |
| [11:45:00] | banyan: | which means you will have to compile. |
| [11:45:00] | banyan: | configure / make / make install |
| [11:46:00] | Dagmar: | Gosh that's terrible. |
| [11:46:00] | banyan: | It's kosher. |
| [11:47:00] | banyan: | it's "Standard compilation methodology #1" |
| [11:47:00] | Dagmar: | So why is it so wrong that they expect people to compile it? |
| [11:48:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: compiling is the best way to have optimization. |
| [11:48:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: would you want to run the same code as a 386 on your pentium 4? |
| [11:49:00] | Cagochi: | any of you guys use FVWM? the feeble virtual window manager? |
| [11:50:00] | banyan: | Nothing wrong but it's more work and more time consuming than just installing a package. |
| [11:50:00] | banyan: | and it can involve manually getting many dependencies. |
| [11:50:00] | banyan: | which can be a pain in the rectum. |
| [11:50:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: I'm not the one saying it was wrong |
| [11:50:00] | Cagochi: | banyan: try gentoo that makes the dependencies a lot easier... portage the package manager does it all for you from scratch. |
| [11:50:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: sorry |
| [11:51:00] | Dagmar: | portage == rice |
| [11:52:00] | Cagochi: | Well I'm here cause I'm looking to put mythTV and my MAME application on a smaller window manager than full blown X..... do you have any recommendations for a window manager to use when starting myth at system boot? Should I use a frame buffer video driver/ the svgalib video driver? or what? |
| [11:52:00] | Cagochi: | Rice? |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | You don't need a window manager |
| [11:53:00] | banyan: | I was thinking of trying a different distro. I had a recent fc3 to fc4 upgrade go very very wrong and I figured if I had to reinstall from scratch I might as well use debian or gentoo or whatever. |
| [11:53:00] | Dagmar: | I have "mythfrontend" on my myth box's root ~/.xinitrc |
| [11:53:00] | banyan: | honestly, who runs x without a window manager? |
| [11:53:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar... hmm just "exec mythfrontend"? |
| [11:54:00] | Dagmar: | Not even exec |
| [11:54:00] | Cagochi: | I'm gonna try that |
| [11:54:00] | Dagmar: | I was in a hurry |
| [11:54:00] | Dagmar: | It works fine. |
| [11:54:00] | Dibblah_: | I'd go for evilwm, personally. |
| [11:55:00] | banyan: | kde |
| [11:55:00] | Dibblah_: | It's easy, it just works. |
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| [11:55:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | something like twm if you're concerned about overhead |
| [11:55:00] | Cagochi: | damn... aren't you clever. |
| [11:55:00] | Dibblah_: | evil is actually smaller than twm. |
| [11:56:00] | banyan: | meh, if you're running a machine that's that close to the edge... |
| [11:56:00] | Cagochi: | Dibblah: I was checkin out the evilwm wiki at gentoo-wiki.... but Cinelerra is crying for fvwm. |
| [11:57:00] | Cagochi: | so I was hoping that mythtv mame and cinelerra would all be happy with the same window manager. |
| [11:57:00] | Dagmar: | If you want something really lightweight, it doesn't have to mean archaic. You will probably be happy with Blackbox, or more likely, XFCE. |
| [11:57:00] | Hoxzer: | is there any place where I can get firmwares for DVB-cards? |
| [11:58:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: not so much lightweight... I'm looking for something that is actively developed... as well as recommened by the devs for cinelerra, myth and mame |
| [11:58:00] | banyan: | blackbox is kinda cool |
| [11:59:00] | Hoxzer: | :D lets hope my tv-card doesn't need one |
| [12:00:00] | banyan: | just for tv out, you don't need a window manager. |
| [12:00:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: xfce? |
| [12:01:00] | Cagochi: | Hoxzer: did you check eDonkey? |
| [12:02:00] | Cagochi: | Hoxzer: I found 6 of them on eDonkey... Tboston DVB4500... Tboston coship cdvb_2300_v1_6spa... coship_cdvb_2300_v2_1 ... and 3 others. |
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| [12:09:00] | Dagmar: | cagochi: Yes, XFCE |
| [12:10:00] | Hoxzer: | edonkey? :D eh... |
| [12:10:00] | Hoxzer: | I never heard I should go to warez to get firmwares |
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| [12:16:00] | Dagmar: | Hoxzer: You should ahve gotten a CD with the the card. |
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| [12:35:00] | kross: | anyone in here who can capture hdtv and wanna join a brand new rls grp, pm me |
| [12:37:00] | Dagmar: | Begone fool |
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| [12:41:00] | ivor: | Dagmar: lol. hasn't he got himself banned yet. |
| [12:48:00] | Dagmar: | I am probably going to be very pissed with myself once I sit down and audit what I've done tonight |
| [12:48:00] | Dagmar: | I bet I've probably got two to three different libraries installed for each and every bloody codec in existance. |
| [12:50:00] | Dagmar: | But by gum I'll bet it can play everything I throw at it now |
| [12:52:00] | ivor: | drm'd WMV9 ? :) |
| [12:52:00] | Dagmar: | I got that licked days ago |
| [12:52:00] | Dagmar: | /usr/lib/win32 sorts it out nicely |
| [12:52:00] | Dagmar: | Of course, anything that requires a download is verboten. |
| [12:53:00] | Dagmar: | I've already caught three sites trying to use that to install spyware, so um, screw them all. |
| [12:54:00] | ivor: | oh, I thought the lib/win32 codec could only play wmv9 that didn't have drm on it. |
| [12:54:00] | Dagmar: | It didn't pose any problems for me |
| [12:55:00] | Dagmar: | I've no idea why. Maybe blind luck |
| [12:55:00] | Dagmar: | Well, almost definitely blind luck |
| [12:57:00] | Dagmar: | At some point I am going to have to go through and audit which of these things are actually being used |
| [12:57:00] | Dagmar: | I'm not kidding when I say I've built and installed about thirty new packages in the last two days. |
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| [12:59:00] | LopeDogg: | hello, my friend wants to be able to watch live tv from australia, which is captured from a tv tuner in south africa. is this possible using mythtv? |
| [12:59:00] | LopeDogg: | so encode from tv tuner, and stream directly, without saving |
| [12:59:00] | Dagmar: | It should be, but latency on channel changes will be ugly. |
| [12:59:00] | LopeDogg: | thats okay |
| [13:00:00] | LopeDogg: | will a 1mbit line suffice? |
| [13:00:00] | Dagmar: | I should say so |
| [13:00:00] | LopeDogg: | does mythtv have the capability to catpture, encode and stream without saving to disk? |
| [13:01:00] | LopeDogg: | well, the captured file could be deleted afterwards |
| [13:01:00] | LopeDogg: | can you stream a file while you're capturing it? |
| [13:02:00] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [13:03:00] | Dagmar: | It kinda gets easier with a hardware-encoding video tuner |
| [13:03:00] | Dagmar: | Use MPEG2-TS instead of MPEG2-PS should be the biggest thing to worry about |
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| [13:11:00] | LopeDogg: | i would want to encode to divx 4 |
| [13:11:00] | LopeDogg: | so can you stream to a windows client? |
| [13:12:00] | Dagmar: | No idea. |
| [13:12:00] | LopeDogg: | how hard is it to install the mythtv distro and get it online and ready to work? |
| [13:12:00] | LopeDogg: | i dont know linux |
| [13:12:00] | LopeDogg: | i have installed redhat, but thats about it |
| [13:12:00] | ** Dagmar covers his eyes. ** | |
| [13:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | LopeDogg: In theory the less linux knowledge you have the harder for you the process will be |
| [13:18:00] | Dagmar: | It's a good theory. |
| [13:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are things like Knoppmyth which is a distro that does just just about everything for you will just a few prompts asking for info during setup which might make it easier |
| [13:19:00] | Dagmar: | especially when "harder for you" =~ "longer it will take to complete" |
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| [13:25:00] | LopeDogg: | yes, that could be good. |
| [13:32:00] | Dagmar: | Ouch. More than 30. |
| [13:32:00] | Dagmar: | ls /space/mythpkg/*.tgz | wc -l emits "39" |
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| [13:42:00] | ftwig: | I have been having problems compiling from svn stable branch – log at http://pastebin.ca/26048 |
| [13:44:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... What's making nuvexport declare xvid as unavailable for exporting |
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| [14:20:00] | Cagochi: | #mythtv |
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| [14:52:00] | Cagochi: | When will the gentoo mythtv ebuild work with mysql 4.1.x? |
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| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | NEVER! |
| [14:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | muahahahaha |
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| [15:15:00] | Beirdo: | fugging stupid crond |
| [15:15:00] | Beirdo: | "your password has expired" |
| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | eat my ass, crond |
| [15:16:00] | ** Beirdo removes the password expiry from the cacti user and root ** | |
| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | there. take THAT |
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| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | moo |
| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | looking for advice – I have a dvd vob that is set up for ntsc 4:3 (720x480) |
| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | I am going to transcode to xvid avi |
| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | should I a) leave it 720x480 and specify aspect in the player |
| [16:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | or b) resize it to 720x540 |
| [16:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | decisions decisions |
| [16:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | thoughts? |
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| [16:39:00] | juski: | MrSpiffy.. if it's interlaced, resize to 720x240 instead |
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| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | cacti's pissing me off today |
| [17:10:00] | kahuna_: | So stop sitting on it :P |
| [17:11:00] | Cagochi: | Can I help port the gentoo mythtv ebuild? I've been waiting for a new release for too long. :) |
| [17:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Cagochi: Talk to Cardoe? |
| [17:11:00] | Cardoe: | port it to what? |
| [17:12:00] | Cagochi: | portage. |
| [17:12:00] | Cagochi: | make an ebuild. |
| [17:12:00] | Cardoe: | why? |
| [17:12:00] | Cagochi: | newer than we have in gentoo already |
| [17:12:00] | Cagochi: | cause mythgame requires svn of mythgame... and so it doesn't work in gentoo otherwise. |
| [17:12:00] | Cardoe: | you want an SVN snapshot? |
| [17:12:00] | Cardoe: | mythgame requires svn of mythgame? |
| [17:13:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv/ |
| [17:13:00] | kahuna_: | Why does mythgame require svn? |
| [17:13:00] | Cagochi: | I read the gentoo-wiki for mythtv and it told me I could only use mythgame with svn... |
| [17:13:00] | kahuna_: | Can't you just emerge mythgame? |
| [17:13:00] | Cagochi: | or at a minimum, need mythgame as svn. |
| [17:13:00] | Cardoe: | um |
| [17:13:00] | Cardoe: | no |
| [17:13:00] | Cardoe: | who touched the damn wiki again |
| [17:13:00] | ** kormoc|afk shakoes his head sadly. ** | |
| [17:13:00] | Cardoe: | that user is getting banned |
| [17:14:00] | Cardoe: | I'm tired of it |
| [17:14:00] | Cagochi: | I might have read it a couple of weeks ago. |
| [17:14:00] | Cagochi: | Want me to verify? |
| [17:14:00] | kormoc|afk: | it was *cue the music* *DUN DUN DUN* THE PENGUIN! |
| [17:14:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [17:14:00] | Cardoe: | because I don't see it |
| [17:15:00] | Cagochi: | Then that means it's probably changed since I last read it. |
| [17:15:00] | Cagochi: | I'll check again. |
| [17:16:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: I haven't been there since the yellow under development box was added. |
| [17:16:00] | Cardoe: | you realize that's circular logic |
| [17:16:00] | Cardoe: | I added it 3 days ago |
| [17:16:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: emerge mythgame |
| [17:16:00] | Cardoe: | there will be SVN snapshots in due time |
| [17:16:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: cool... that's good. is xmame supported? |
| [17:17:00] | kahuna_: | So what's in mythgame svn that's not in the realease? |
| [17:17:00] | Cardoe: | kahuna_: nfc |
| [17:17:00] | Cardoe: | I think I need to get off the computer today and go be in the sun |
| [17:17:00] | ** Cardoe got like 3hrs of sleep. ** | |
| [17:17:00] | kahuna_: | What's that, I so humbly ask. |
| [17:17:00] | Cagochi: | Oh... and a little ass-kissing is in order. My friends really admire the work yall have done putting mythtv together... and I get to look good for just emerging. so thanks for the hard work. |
| [17:18:00] | Cardoe: | kahuna_: no {freaking,f-ing,etc} clue |
| [17:18:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: It's Chutt and his boys |
| [17:18:00] | Cardoe: | I just write an ebuild |
| [17:19:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: which mythburn and other mythweb dependent apps are you testing on the mythweb-0.19? |
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| [17:20:00] | Cardoe: | I'm not using mythburn |
| [17:20:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: is xmame supported in this mythgame? |
| [17:21:00] | kahuna_: | I thought xmame has always been supported? |
| [17:21:00] | Cardoe: | xmame has always been supported |
| [17:21:00] | Cardoe: | it was the first thing mythgame was written for |
| [17:22:00] | Cagochi: | I got confused by the wiki then. |
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| [17:24:00] | Cagochi: | Can anybody here debate whether fvwm is a better choice than fluxbox/evilwm? I'm looking to use one window manager that is good for three apps... and cinelerra is one of them... and it requests fvwm. |
| [17:24:00] | kormoc|afk: | xcfe4 |
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| [17:26:00] | Krazylegz: | evilwm |
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| [17:29:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: does the newer ebuild you linked me to have new sql to give my database on the initial sql import? Or should I just let it upgrade the protocol from what's already there? |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | it might upgrade |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | it might not. |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | upgrades are not guarenteed by SVN snapshots |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | I've had to wipe my DBs at least once |
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| [17:33:00] | markl__: | can anyone here help with ATSC transcoding |
| [17:34:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: do you have a way to keep your recordings metadata when you wipe your database? |
| [17:37:00] | kormoc|afk: | backups? |
| [17:38:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc|afk nah... the datadirect information for when you schedule a recording. |
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| [17:38:00] | kormoc|afk: | sure, you backup the DB so when you wipe it, you can reimport it after making what ever changes you need to |
| [17:39:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc|afk the database protocol updates the first time you run mythfrontend of a newer version... sometimes it fails. |
| [17:39:00] | kormoc|afk: | yup |
| [17:40:00] | kormoc|afk: | so then you wipe the db, let it create and update it, and reimport the backup of the data after you change it so it fits the new db scheme. |
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| [17:44:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc: I'll look into the reimport next time I wipe my database. |
| [17:44:00] | Cagochi: | I usually lose that info. |
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| [17:47:00] | kahuna_: | Do you guys all use preempt? |
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| [17:52:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna: I do... and I do preempt the big kernel lock too... and I set the polling frequency to 1000Hz and choose the middle Desktop preempt option. |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | Cagochi: gentoo-user? |
| [17:54:00] | Cagochi: | laga: yes. |
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| [17:54:00] | kahuna_: | Hmm... what about no preemt? I'm wondering if the video will be as smooth. |
| [17:55:00] | kahuna_: | I have this crappy USB network card that needs ndiswrapper. Preemt has been known to wreak havoc on ndiswrapper. |
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| [17:56:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna: no preempt has worked for me to... what really sucks is when you tell the scheduler to act like a server and set the polling hz to 250... |
| [17:56:00] | kahuna_: | I'm in the process of looking for a decent USB net adapter. |
| [17:56:00] | kahuna_: | Yah. That might be a problem. |
| [17:57:00] | Cagochi: | Pick 1: which is ideal for mythTV on nvidia-glx.... Frame Buffer.... SVGAlib... or X? |
| [18:00:00] | kahuna_: | Can you do overscan with FB or SVGALIB? |
| [18:01:00] | kahuna_: | If not then I'd say X. Plus you get acceleration with X if you need it for any 3d apps. |
| [18:01:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna: well... this is for only mythTV and mame exclusively. |
| [18:02:00] | Cagochi: | are those plugins to mythmusic 3d accelerated? |
| [18:02:00] | kahuna_: | yes |
| [18:02:00] | kahuna_: | there are opengl visualizations |
| [18:02:00] | Cagochi: | hmm... |
| [18:03:00] | Cagochi: | So I'm looking for command line to myth in about 2 seconds... I don't want to execute startx which just calls mythfrontend. Is the FB or SVGAlib method bad? |
| [18:04:00] | Cagochi: | (outside of the opengl issue... cause I have to research whether native nvidia drivers do 3d acceleration in frame buffer... or whether that's not the case) |
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| [18:09:00] | phoner: | hm, I don't understand what format mythtv is making files in |
| [18:10:00] | phoner: | every guide is like, yea pvr just makes straight mpeg files |
| [18:10:00] | laga: | every guide is right then |
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| [18:11:00] | phoner: | why don't they work in apps made for mpeg |
| [18:11:00] | phoner: | I think they are slightly different |
| [18:15:00] | Cagochi: | phoner: It's an mjpeg with lzo compression |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [18:16:00] | Krazylegz: | I think Cagochi made that up. It sounds too accurate and helpful. |
| [18:16:00] | Goose-Npa: | tovid is great |
| [18:16:00] | phoner: | no, I think that is correct |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | that would be only accurate if you have an MJPEG card, and even then, it rarely uses lzo |
| [18:16:00] | Goose-Npa: | phoner: are you renaming your .nuv to .mpeg |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | it's rtjpeg if you use a frame-grabber. or mpeg4 |
| [18:17:00] | phoner: | what does the file ext matter? |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | rtjpeg is *kinda* like mjpeg, but not the same |
| [18:18:00] | Cagochi: | Well... I use the hauppauge pvr-150s... if that helps... I think in my case what I said is correc.t |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | not even close |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | with the PVR-x50, it's an MPEG2 stream |
| [18:18:00] | Cagochi: | oh |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | MPEG2-PS to be more precise |
| [18:19:00] | juski: | unless the nuv file has been transcoded lol |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | that's different :) |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | OK, waiting for this song to finish, then time for food |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | Santana – Primavera |
| [18:20:00] | phoner: | mplex always tells me the files are unknown |
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| [18:21:00] | Cagochi: | Anybody here have trouble emerging the hardmasked transcode today? |
| [18:21:00] | ** Beirdo emerges from his chair to get lunch ** | |
| [18:21:00] | mishehu: | bah. |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | humbug |
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| [18:22:00] | phoner: | or unrecognizeable |
| [18:23:00] | mishehu: | how fitting, since I see christmas shit at the stores already. |
| [18:23:00] | mishehu: | and it's not even fucking halloween. |
| [18:23:00] | Cagochi: | When I have an nuv file that I go into avidemux with... I use avidemux to cut out the segments of the video I want to keep... from keyframe to keyframe.... |
| [18:24:00] | laga: | Cagochi: why do you think it is hardcoded? ;) |
| [18:24:00] | juski: | phoner – try to play the files in vlc, then get it to show the stream properties.. that will confirm it one way or the other |
| [18:25:00] | Cagochi: | laga: transcode-0.6.14-r3 comes if you have ~x86 set in package.keywords... and transcode-1.0.1 comes if you unmask it. |
| [18:26:00] | Cagochi: | ... if I don't cut keyframe to keyframe.... do I need to reencode my mpeg(ps) to be dvd-compliant? |
| [18:26:00] | juski: | yep |
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| [18:26:00] | juski: | otherwise it might play properly, or it might not |
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| [18:27:00] | Cagochi: | juski: my workflow is to first extract video and audio streams with avidemux... then I mplex them together... then I use mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -vf scale=720:480 -srate 48000 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=9800:keyint=18:aco dec=ac3:abitrate=384:aspect=4/3 -ofps 30000/1001 -o |
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| [18:28:00] | Cagochi: | If I didn't use keyframes at the endpoints... would mplex screw up the file? Or since I use the mencoder command does that make it all good? |
| [18:29:00] | Cagochi: | laga: sorry... didn't notice that was a rhetorical question. |
| [18:30:00] | Krazylegz: | Who was it wanting to work on a myth-archive? |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | Cagochi: hehe ;) |
| [18:30:00] | juski: | Cagochi – with a bitrate of 9800kbps you might be lucky if it plays on a dvd player |
| [18:30:00] | Cagochi: | juski: damn. |
| [18:30:00] | Cagochi: | juski: what's a known working highbitrate? |
| [18:31:00] | juski: | erm... 8000kpbs |
| [18:31:00] | Krazylegz: | kbps = kilo-pascals-by-sea |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/5688/ <- so this article says that the ipod g5 likes 320-pixel video better than a 480-pixel one. just a FYI. |
| [18:31:00] | juski: | though you'll not get much video on a disc |
| [18:32:00] | juski: | lol Krazylegz |
| [18:32:00] | Cagochi: | juski: I'm not worried about that. I just need to take a couple of 1 hour programs which were on television and preserve them for historical archives with highest possible quality. |
| [18:33:00] | Cagochi: | Then give them to a client so he can pass them down to his grandkids so they can see him on tv. |
| [18:33:00] | juski: | I'm not sure you'd notice the difference between 8mbps and 9mbps to be honest |
| [18:33:00] | Cagochi: | juski: I don't think I would either.... |
| [18:33:00] | Cagochi: | especially on TV. |
| [18:34:00] | juski: | a lot of dvds I've ripped were only DVD-5 .. 90 mins long.. god knows how many soundtracks & subtitle streams... |
| [18:34:00] | Cagochi: | especially on any non-digital tv |
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| [18:35:00] | juski: | if you're encoding to less than 4mbps I'd recommend you do a 2-pass encode – going by my own dvd authoring experience |
| [18:35:00] | juski: | (vbr) |
| [18:35:00] | juski: | and if you want longevity, don't use recordable DVDs |
| [18:35:00] | juski: | ;) |
| [18:35:00] | Cagochi: | juski: with the mencoder parameters I pasted in up there... does -lavcopts do two pass? |
| [18:35:00] | Cagochi: | I'm using verbatim dvd-r. |
| [18:36:00] | juski: | I don't know, Cagochi.. never been one for command line encoding (yet) |
| [18:36:00] | Cagochi: | and I'm very new to dvd-authoring... but not so new to video encoding. |
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| [18:37:00] | Cagochi: | juski: well copy and save that command.... It's the one that takes a segment of video and makes the DVD-VIDEO compliant program stream |
| [18:37:00] | juski: | ahh the old 'good for 100 years' DVD-R scam... they say 'if the media isn't readable we'll give you a new disc'.. fat lot of good that is to you, eh? |
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| [18:38:00] | Cagochi: | juski: well... memorex discs are known to look like shit after the 5th read.... |
| [18:38:00] | Cagochi: | So I didn't buy memorex |
| [18:38:00] | BlindOracle: | typical bit rot is said to start as early as 5-8-years for CD/DVD |
| [18:38:00] | juski: | laga.. I've thought of a workaround for my dbox problem. I'm gonna use a capture card & change the channel with http://192.168.1.5/control/zapto?channelnumber |
| [18:38:00] | BlindOracle: | ...but bit rot does not mean the disk is not readable.... |
| [18:40:00] | juski: | it might, if the TOC rots first |
| [18:41:00] | BlindOracle: | right...possible...but not likely...chances are, bit errors here and there will not prevent you from reading the disk...but after 10–15 years, quality may be significantly degraded...or even unreadable...contrary to popular believe, CD/DVD != long term storage solution |
| [18:42:00] | Cagochi: | BlindOracle: there are 30 year CDs... but they're more than a buck each... I think Verbatim makes them.... |
| [18:42:00] | Cagochi: | IIRC they're like $9 each. |
| [18:43:00] | BlindOracle: | that might be...my info is about 4 years old...so it may of suffered some bit rot... ;) |
| [18:43:00] | Cagochi: | lol |
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| [18:44:00] | juski: | is the human equivalent of bit-rot called beer-rot? |
| [18:44:00] | BlindOracle: | if long term optical media is now available...I guess its safe to say, typical optical media != long term storage. |
| [18:44:00] | Cagochi: | human bitrot ?= ignore |
| [18:44:00] | Cagochi: | cause it's a decision. :) |
| [18:45:00] | Cagochi: | BlindOracle: typical PNY CDs I have in my car last a couple of weeks max. |
| [18:45:00] | BlindOracle: | juski, or age |
| [18:45:00] | BlindOracle: | Cagochi, wow...seriously? |
| [18:46:00] | Cagochi: | BlindOracle: Yes... when they're not in a protective case. |
| [18:46:00] | Cagochi: | the PNY discs come apart easily. |
| [18:46:00] | BlindOracle: | Cagochi, physical damage or from the heat? |
| [18:46:00] | juski: | Cagochi.. have you ever read their disclaimers? they claim xx years.. if you seal the disc in an airtight, light-free container |
| [18:46:00] | BlindOracle: | Cagochi, delaminate? |
| [18:46:00] | Cagochi: | BlindOracle: physical damage... delamination |
| [18:47:00] | Cagochi: | juski: hehe.... that's like I guarantee this computer to be 100% protected from a network security issue. (disclaimer says you have to keep it unplugged) |
| [18:47:00] | juski: | that's it.. they make all those grand claims, then at the end of the day all they can guarantee is that you'll get a free disc if it goes bad.. costs them very little in real terms |
| [18:48:00] | BlindOracle: | that's like carpet guarentees too....carpet has a lifetime protection...but the padding fails in 5–8 years....if carpet damage is from padding failure, it is not covered. :P |
| [18:48:00] | Cagochi: | How far am I away from having a working burned compliant DVD-VIDEO? Step #1.) I've extracted my streams. Step #2.) I've mplex the streams Step #3.) I've mencoded my segments as I said earlier... How much validation can I do before I actually have a burned disc that I drive around and test on all the DVD players at bestbuy and circuit city? |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | make sure that pr0n don't skip |
| [18:49:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: First you have to be trying it on models that support reading DVD-R discs. |
| [18:49:00] | ** BlindOracle wonders how long a normal CD would last in an air tight no-light container...probably close to the same duration I bet ** | |
| [18:49:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: I guess I'm wrong again... I thought DVD-R was the master compliant disc. |
| [18:50:00] | ** BlindOracle gets back to work... ** | |
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| [18:50:00] | juski: | keep oxygen, UV & heat out of the equation and anything'll last longer |
| [18:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Except for you! |
| [18:51:00] | juski: | lool |
| [18:51:00] | juski: | oh I dunno |
| [18:51:00] | phoner: | file tells me, MPEG sequence, v4, video is that mpeg-4? |
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| [18:51:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: The units can tell the difference between burned discs like the one you're making, and *pressed/etched* discs like the ones the store sells |
| [18:51:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: The suck thing is that the cheaper a unit is, the more likely it'll play a burned DVD. |
| [18:52:00] | Dagmar: | The little asian companies simply don't care about being sued for having that feature |
| [18:52:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: then what's the consensus? Which are the most compatible? |
| [18:53:00] | juski: | dvd-r I think |
| [18:53:00] | Dagmar: | The most common are DVD-R players that I've seen. |
| [18:53:00] | juski: | my panasonic plays dvd-r, real dvds and er... nothing else |
| [18:53:00] | Dagmar: | ...but basically look around at the boxes for the display models somewhere. They usually say right on the box what format they support |
| [18:53:00] | Cagochi: | cool. |
| [18:53:00] | phoner: | mine plays divx and xvid to |
| [18:53:00] | Dagmar: | Apex is under the impression they're making video wurlitzers sometimes, I swear |
| [18:53:00] | phoner: | hehe |
| [18:54:00] | juski: | right I think it's time to go home |
| [18:54:00] | Cagochi: | I hope this isn't too off topic. |
| [18:54:00] | Dagmar: | Sony, on the other hand, makes a few units that will play more than the norm, and they actually seem to be downplaying those features on those units |
| [18:55:00] | Dagmar: | Not really, since a lot of us are offloading things to DVD from the MythTV box |
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| [18:55:00] | Cagochi: | Okay then... after I extract the video and audio segments (there are usually 5 segments of video in a one hour network program) |
| [18:55:00] | Dagmar: | I know I've now got the ability to review literally DAYS worth of CNN at a go now |
| [18:56:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: that's awesome... I have about 200 gig of Hurricane Katrina video. |
| [18:56:00] | Dagmar: | Every ignorant, pig-headed, war mongering thing Bush says i'm going to stockpile now |
| [18:57:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: make a cool video with good music. |
| [18:57:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: that's what I want to do with it. |
| [18:57:00] | Dagmar: | If I'd had this kind of media retention during Katrina I could have slapped clips together that would have started riots. |
| [18:57:00] | Dagmar: | However, let's be clear, riots are not good. Don't want those. |
| [18:57:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: If I had Cinelerra 2 during Katrina I bet I could hav edone the same. |
| [18:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Right. Just want the freedom to incite riots. Don't want to actually do it. |
| [18:58:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: don't say riots... say revolution... it's more scary ;) |
| [18:58:00] | Cagochi: | and politically supported. |
| [18:58:00] | Dagmar: | I prefer the freedom to stop them when I can get it. Riots are awful |
| [18:58:00] | Cagochi: | I hope Chicago doesn't embarass America with the Sox this year... we really did a number when the Bulls won.... but that was like 6 times in a row. |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | Dagmar: I think you'll need more disk space |
| [18:59:00] | Cagochi: | as far as riots go |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | got years of stupid Shrubbery comments to go |
| [18:59:00] | Dagmar: | I *finally* got the transcoding thing working |
| [18:59:00] | Dagmar: | ...so it won't be all that bad |
| [18:59:00] | Cagochi: | were you having trouble compiling transcode? or using it? |
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| [18:59:00] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to beat the hell out of ffmpeg tho. I ran full into the "transcode must be in perfect harmonic alignment with the one true codec" bug |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [19:00:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: which bug is that? |
| [19:01:00] | Cagochi: | my main machine can't compile transcode anymore as of today. |
| [19:01:00] | Dagmar: | I wasn't being careful enough and the two versions of ffmpeg are conflicting, so ffmpeg explodes when you try to use it |
| [19:01:00] | Cagochi: | 0226-r5 and the september one? |
| [19:02:00] | Cagochi: | but anyways on topic.... I make the 5 video segments into in video which is about 30–42 minutes depending on the episode after I take out the commericals. |
| [19:02:00] | Dagmar: | It doesn't matter which version, afaik. They just have to be compiled the _exact_ _same_ _way_ |
| [19:02:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: I hate that stuff. |
| [19:02:00] | Dagmar: | Change -O2 to -O3 for one or the other and blooey |
| [19:03:00] | Dagmar: | Thank god I have everything built with scripts so I can know exactly what got compiled with what arguments and go hunt down the problem tonight |
| [19:03:00] | Cagochi: | Well... I built it all up with 02... and so far that worked on everything I've tried in ~x86 |
| [19:04:00] | Cagochi: | Now... I have 3 video clips that are about 3.5 gig each... with Juski's advice... I should reencode them down to 8000bps instead of the 9800 so they'll work everywhere.... |
| [19:04:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: I'm pretty sure that in this case, an -mcpu=i686 and an -mcpu=athlon-xp are tangling |
| [19:04:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: argh... |
| [19:04:00] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a plan |
| [19:05:00] | Dagmar: | I made like, 42 codec packages yesterday, so it's not suprising to me that I have at least one bug in there |
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| [19:07:00] | Cagochi: | Here's the scope of my problem... I think the solution is to take the 9800bps clips and open them with avidemux and delete the frames which come after the keyframe (but before the video I want)... then reencode it with the same mencoder paramaters I posted above... but setting max bitrate to 8000. |
| [19:07:00] | Cagochi: | Is that solution? |
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| [19:09:00] | Dagmar: | Ive no idea |
| [19:09:00] | Kite-: | anyone know of a faq with the steps to add a second tuner? i can't find one |
| [19:09:00] | Cagochi: | Kite: where are you stuck? |
| [19:09:00] | Dagmar: | I try and limit my techical interaction with the transcoders to "You make smaller now!" |
| [19:09:00] | Cagochi: | Adding it to mythTV or adding it to the computer? |
| [19:09:00] | Dagmar: | Kite-: Run mythtv-setup |
| [19:09:00] | Cagochi: | lol |
| [19:09:00] | Kite-: | just put it in, restart and run myth-setup? |
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| [19:09:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: I'm going the other way with it... taking the mpeg4s and saying "You make bigger now" to put on DVD |
| [19:09:00] | Dagmar: | Yes. It's in mythtv-setup where you define new tuners |
| [19:10:00] | Kite-: | sweet, i wasnt sure waht to do software wise, thanks |
| [19:10:00] | Cagochi: | Kite: You might have to add the second tuner to your /etc/modules.d/ivtv if you're using ivtv drivers and are on gentoo. |
| [19:11:00] | Cagochi: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [19:11:00] | Cagochi: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [19:11:00] | Cagochi: | alias char-major-81–1 ivtv |
| [19:11:00] | Kite-: | <- knoppmyth |
| [19:11:00] | Cagochi: | ah |
| [19:11:00] | Dagmar: | The moment the system pokes at 81–1 it *should* try to vivify it with kmod and such |
| [19:11:00] | Kite-: | okay, ill go try it out now |
| [19:11:00] | Dagmar: | The two tuners on the pvr500 are handy |
| [19:12:00] | Kite-: | i should have got that in the first place, now i just have 2 250's |
| [19:12:00] | Dagmar: | Well, at least they have radio tuners (I think). This only has one |
| [19:13:00] | Cagochi: | The 500 is nice.... I don't quite think my video looks as good as the tivo though... I don't know what the problem is. |
| [19:13:00] | Dagmar: | Your monitor |
| [19:13:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: I was thinking my software decoder. |
| [19:13:00] | Cagochi: | cause I'm hoping it's not the encoder or the ivtv driver. |
| [19:14:00] | Dagmar: | I dunno, man. Stuff looks totally different to me on my monitor than on the TV. |
| [19:14:00] | Dagmar: | The monitor shows all the artifacting, the TV hides it well |
| [19:14:00] | Cagochi: | Which artifacting do you most notice? |
| [19:14:00] | Kite-: | because of the res probably |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | the TV is interlaced by design |
| [19:14:00] | Dagmar: | Like, all the edges on South Park for one thing. Heh |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | the monitor isn't |
| [19:15:00] | Dagmar: | TVs smooth out the images better because they generally have to to make broadcast look good |
| [19:15:00] | Cagochi: | I notice the white fonts on colored background vertical lines on the edges sometimes. |
| [19:15:00] | Cagochi: | (insert) have vertical lines |
| [19:15:00] | Dagmar: | ...and the gamma is hugely different |
| [19:16:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: I noticed that about the gamma too.... it looks like my card records it all darker... but I haven't messed w/ ivtvctl to set color brightness contrast etc. |
| [19:16:00] | Dagmar: | Oof. Now I remember why I'd turned on the s-video input. I have two DVDs of ancient Jackie Chan I need to rip because they refuse to read on my burner |
| [19:17:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: Play it back on a TV and it will look disturbingly alright |
| [19:17:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: it looks really nice on the tv... just darker. |
| [19:17:00] | Dagmar: | I hate those screwey sprayed-on discs |
| [19:17:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: the colors are noticably more natural. |
| [19:18:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: One good tip for you, go right now and replace the ttf's it uses by default with the Bitstream Sera fonts |
| [19:18:00] | Dagmar: | Just drop 'em into /usr/share/mythtv with the other two. |
| [19:18:00] | Dagmar: | The OSD looks much better without those nasty Luxi fonts |
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| [19:19:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: okay... but the white fonts I'm talking about are things like the names of cities on a weathermap |
| [19:19:00] | Cagochi: | dagmar: do those new fonts work only for OSD or also for the tv listings? |
| [19:20:00] | Dagmar: | Nothing much can be done about that without turning on more intensive deinterlacing routines |
| [19:20:00] | Dagmar: | Cagochi: To change the TV listings theme you have to dork around and kick "Arial" out of all the xml files in the theme |
| [19:20:00] | Dagmar: | Not too hard, but don't get carried away with crazy fonts |
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| [19:20:00] | Dagmar: | Some look really good on the desktop, but are all but unreadable on a TV |
| [19:21:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: yeah... maybe some month when I want to sell mythTV boxes I'd prepare a theme and go through it with a finetoothed comb. |
| [19:21:00] | Dagmar: | I'm starting with the bootlogo stuff first |
| [19:22:00] | Cagochi: | using splashutils? |
| [19:22:00] | Dagmar: | bootsplash, yeah |
| [19:22:00] | Cagochi: | gentoo? |
| [19:22:00] | Dagmar: | Dear god no |
| [19:22:00] | Cagochi: | linux from scratch? |
| [19:22:00] | Dagmar: | At one time it was mostly slack 10.2. |
| [19:23:00] | Dagmar: | That was a few days ago |
| [19:23:00] | Cagochi: | ah |
| [19:23:00] | Dagmar: | I have leet scripts. ;) |
| [19:23:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: how leet are they? |
| [19:23:00] | ** GreyFoxx declares that his new usb key based myth distro will be out this weekend ** | |
| [19:23:00] | Dagmar: | I can script a rebuild of an entire ISO, package by package. |
| [19:23:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: tits |
| [19:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | errr tits ? |
| [19:24:00] | Goose-Npa: | Dagmar: rebuild of an iso what do you mean? |
| [19:24:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: tits == cool |
| [19:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | I see |
| [19:24:00] | Dagmar: | Goose-Npa: I don't backup my OS anymore. I just tell it to turn itself into an installable ISO again |
| [19:24:00] | Goose-Npa: | ha |
| [19:24:00] | Goose-Npa: | Dagmar: using bash script? |
| [19:25:00] | Dagmar: | MILES of bash scripts |
| [19:25:00] | Goose-Npa: | what did you use to first start learning bash? |
| [19:25:00] | Dagmar: | Years ago |
| [19:25:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea what did you use? |
| [19:25:00] | Dagmar: | It still sucks as a language |
| [19:25:00] | Goose-Npa: | what reading material |
| [19:25:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... The man page, mainly. the Advanced Bash Scripting HOWTO sometimes |
| [19:26:00] | Dagmar: | That's why I write the crazy ${variable:+"foo"} constructs so often |
| [19:26:00] | Cagochi: | Dagmar: so does it basically start your blank slate harddrive with a binary for the compiler and then go through your script compiling everything else? |
| [19:27:00] | Dagmar: | No. It takes what I have, pushes it neatly into a new tagset, and makes a new bootable ISO. |
| [19:27:00] | Dagmar: | I don't have anything installed that doesn't get made into a package anymore |
| [19:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | how long did it take you to right? |
| [19:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: My friend and I came up with a lfs distro that did that. Long ago |
| [19:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | do you use checkinstall to make your packages? |
| [19:28:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... I've just been doing it this way for years. The tagset thing was just a last bit I added recently so I didn't have to just go "installpkg *" |
| [19:28:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: neat. I'd like to get about 20 dualcore units and do the same thing :) |
| [19:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: It was good from a learning perspective |
| [19:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | Dagmar: so how do you install stuff with a package without using check install? |
| [19:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | but it not practical from a real install perspective |
| [19:28:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: that seems to be the only reason why I keep playing with linux... I still keep learning. |
| [19:28:00] | Dagmar: | I actually sit down and make a decent package building script |
| [19:29:00] | Dagmar: | that puts things into a staging root |
| [19:29:00] | Goose-Npa: | can i use your install script? |
| [19:29:00] | Cagochi: | Anybody here seen a driver for the fingerprint readers built into the microsoft keyboards? |
| [19:30:00] | Dagmar: | Goose-Npa: What? most of it is driven by different invocations of make DESTDIR=/tmp/foo install and make prefix=/tmp/foo/usr install. |
| [19:30:00] | Dagmar: | You just have to look at the Makefiles before you do the make install to see what it will accept, and then put it into a script to do it for you for that particular package so you don't forget |
| [19:30:00] | Dagmar: | That's how the whole of Dropline gets turned into packages |
| [19:32:00] | Dagmar: | Once you script a package to build *once*, it's really really easy to make that same script build the next version, or add patches, or whatever. |
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| [19:32:00] | Dagmar: | Saves tons of time |
| [19:32:00] | Cagochi: | I mentioned the fingerprint reader compatibility because I think it would be a suitable replacement for typing in a pin for program access.... |
| [19:33:00] | Goose-Npa: | i need an encoding box takes about 1hr21mins to encode a mpeg2->dvd |
| [19:33:00] | phoner: | anyone know if file saying "MPEG sequence, v4, video" means it's mpeg4? |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | phoner: That is likely a good assumption |
| [19:34:00] | phoner: | hm, so why is mythtv not making mpeg2 files |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth doesn' |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth doesn't encode anything to mpeg2. The only software encoding options are rtjpeg or mpeg4 |
| [19:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | anyone getting mpeg2 recordings is because the hardware is compressing the data into an mpeg2 stream, or an mpeg2 stream is being captured |
| [19:35:00] | Cagochi: | phoner: It may be MPEG4ES (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fA2jyUEhta . . . 2&hl=en) |
| [19:35:00] | Cagochi: | That's a cached google link |
| [19:37:00] | phoner: | is there a way to get mythtv to create mpeg2 files? |
| [19:37:00] | phoner: | even with a pvr card |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | phoner: did you read what I just said ? Or was I not clear ? |
| [19:38:00] | Cagochi: | phoner: mpeg2 is really more of a stream than a file. |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | "Any software encoding will be in rtjpeg or mpeg" Unless you change the code to add mpeg2 output. |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | A Pvr card, HDTV capture, DVB capture will all be mpeg2 (PS or TS) |
| [19:39:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: is that like not including libdvdcss with linux computers? You need the users to add that by hand? |
| [19:39:00] | Cagochi: | the MPEG2 code that is |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, just noone who actually writes the code cares to add it |
| [19:40:00] | Cagochi: | ah |
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| [19:40:00] | amorphix: | hi guys |
| [19:40:00] | Kite-: | if i'm in the myth gui, how can i open a new terminal? |
| [19:40:00] | amorphix: | im about to purchase a card and need some advice |
| [19:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kite-: There is no pre-existing option in the myth menus to open a terminal |
| [19:41:00] | amorphix: | which do i get, WinTV-PVR-pci or WinTV PVR 250 |
| [19:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | You would either have to edit the theme to spawn a shell, or use your window manager to do it |
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| [19:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: a 250/150 are preferred. And require a lot less CPU(basically 0) to record from |
| [19:41:00] | amorphix: | does the WinTV-PVR-pci not do hardware encoding then? |
| [19:42:00] | Cagochi: | For the record... if I'm gonna be making DVDs and I have a the pvr500... which stream type should I choose in the recording profiles? |
| [19:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Last time I looked at it it was a software card and they just provided "pvr" software to do the encoding |
| [19:42:00] | Kite-: | well is there a gdm keyboard command to open a terminal? i would ctrl-alt-f1 but i need to use X |
| [19:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: But if you can find out the chipset you can verify |
| [19:42:00] | amorphix: | ok |
| [19:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kite-: I don't use GDM, so I wouldn't know. But I'd be fairly suprised if there was |
| [19:43:00] | Cagochi: | Kite: maybe just run mythTV in a window, and then alt-tab to your terminal .... if you're in X |
| [19:43:00] | amorphix: | GreyFoxx: can you verify for me? http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr_datasheet.htm |
| [19:43:00] | Kite-: | cagochi, i need to open a term first :) |
| [19:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or configure your window manager to have multiple screens. and run myth fullscreen on one of them |
| [19:43:00] | amorphix: | Im a bit clueless |
| [19:44:00] | Cagochi: | Kite: exit MythTV and open it. |
| [19:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | My window manager has 3 screensm, myth is always on screen 1. And a CTRL-F1 – CTRL-F3 lets me pop between them if need be |
| [19:44:00] | Cagochi: | amorphix: is that a USB toy? |
| [19:44:00] | amorphix: | no |
| [19:45:00] | amorphix: | its a pci card |
| [19:45:00] | Cagochi: | amorphix: I'm betting it's like a WINmodem.... you need WINDOWS to make it work |
| [19:45:00] | amorphix: | it's more expensive than the PVR-250 |
| [19:45:00] | amorphix: | $100 more |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: It LOOKS like a freestyle but there isn't a good enough photo to see the chipset |
| [19:45:00] | Cagochi: | What GreyFoxx said doesn't sound too far fetched at all. |
| [19:45:00] | Kite-: | got it thanks |
| [19:45:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [19:46:00] | amorphix: | GreyFoxx: thats no good for Linux eh |
| [19:46:00] | Cagochi: | amorphix: I wasn't saying you couldn't use linux |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | most "Winmodems" can be used in Linux lately too :) |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:46:00] | amorphix: | GreyFoxx was |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: FreeStyles are fine. But I can't say from that picture that it is. It claims to be a hardware encoder so it could very well work without a problem |
| [19:46:00] | Cagochi: | amorphix: I was just saying it's a hardware device they sell cheaply cause the work is done in software... (windows) |
| [19:46:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [19:46:00] | amorphix: | but PVR-250 is still better? |
| [19:46:00] | Chutt: | the old wintv-pvr is not supported in linux. |
| [19:47:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [19:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | There you go |
| [19:47:00] | amorphix: | thats it then |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | it's not even sold anymore. |
| [19:47:00] | amorphix: | i nearly got duped |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | seeing as it's been replaced twice now |
| [19:47:00] | amorphix: | thanks Chutt |
| [19:47:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: yeah... I like my USRobotics rockwell modems... I wouldn't buy or sell win modems... |
| [19:48:00] | ** GreyFoxx fights off the urge to check amazon.com ** | |
| [19:48:00] | ** GreyFoxx feels like spending money ** | |
| [19:48:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: you missed ass-kissing I did earlier. Thanks for your hard work. My family / friends really like they mythTV... and all I had to do was emerge it. |
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| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, my Courier rules |
| [19:49:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: what are you lookin to buy? |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | but it's not even plugged in anymore |
| [19:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: Just a couple DVD sets ] |
| [19:50:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: mine either... but I wish the 3 USRobotics fax/voicemodems I had were workin in my linux right now with asterisk. |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | oh, and it's and EXTERNAL courier |
| [19:50:00] | Cagochi: | cool |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | best analog modems made (IMHO) |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | just have no need for it now |
| [19:51:00] | Cagochi: | I agree |
| [19:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, just looking at all of the XML libraries and modules out there gives me a headache |
| [19:51:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: maybe USRobotics isn't out of business.... just cause they're not selling modems anymore... maybe they're making robots that fight Will Smith. |
| [19:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | making Terminator |
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| [19:52:00] | Cagochi: | hehe |
| [19:52:00] | Cagochi: | I wanna make robots. |
| [19:52:00] | ** Beirdo cranks the metal to drown out the cow-worker's funky house music ** | |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | headphones++ |
| [19:53:00] | Cagochi: | ... if I'm gonna be making DVDs and I have a the pvr500... which stream type should I choose in the recording profiles? Or does the streamtype in the recording profiles only matter for compatibility with your hardware? |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | you will likely have to remux no matter what |
| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | MPEG2-PS should work after a remux to the DVD format |
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| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | I think you can choose the DVD format directly, but I've never tried it |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | (I have PVR-250, I assume that the newer cards will work similarly in that respect) |
| [19:54:00] | Cagochi: | I'm workin through it now... I started recording some shit back in July, and I need to have it done on disc this weekend. |
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| [19:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | GRanted I've only burned a handful my recordings to a dvd (as a real playable dvd) but I didn't have to touch the files at all. Just do up the menus |
| [19:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | my recordings are just mpeg2-ps |
| [19:54:00] | Cagochi: | Barring the 9800 bps rate in this mencoder command line.... should I be able to remux for DVD-VIDEO successfully with these mencoder parameters? mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -vf scale=720:480 -srate 48000 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=9800:keyint=18:aco dec=ac3:abitrate=384:aspect=4/3 -ofps 30000/1001 -o |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | good god, no idea |
| [19:55:00] | Cagochi: | lol |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | I use ffmpeg |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | through nuvexport |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | every time I've tried to use mencoder, I ended up in a fit of rage |
| [19:56:00] | Cagochi: | my nuvexport does wierd things... when I ask it to encode... it shows me zeros on the progress line... and stays there... but my top shows I'm at 100%.... I think I broke something. |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | that's likely the output of ffmpeg changed from what nuvexport expects |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | often the case |
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| [20:01:00] | Cagochi: | Well... There is a new september nuvexport on the compile todo list.... Hopefully ffmpeg works with it. :) |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | not much to compile in nuvexport |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | it's perl. |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | make install is all that's required |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | now all the tools it uses... they may need compiling |
| [20:02:00] | Goose-Npa: | ive found that tovid works nicely |
| [20:02:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: using ffmpeg to make DVD-VIDEO as you do... are you on the commandline or using a frontend? |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | I use nuvexport |
| [20:03:00] | Cagochi: | ah |
| [20:03:00] | Cagochi: | you said that |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | too many command line options to forget |
| [20:03:00] | Cagochi: | that's a fact |
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| [20:03:00] | Goose-Npa: | for a 30 minute show, on a xp 1700+ it takes 1.5hrs to encode from MPEG2 to DVD |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | you may not need to |
| [20:03:00] | Goose-Npa: | y not? |
| [20:03:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: shouldn't you be doing wedding stuff and not nuvexport? |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | you can also use the mpeg2cut from nuvexport. |
| [20:04:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I'll tell on you to your bride to be. |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, I'm not WORKING on anything. |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:04:00] | Goose-Npa: | Beirdo: what does that do? |
| [20:04:00] | Goose-Npa: | and are you even talking to me |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | it uses avidemux to remove the cutlist, then remuxes with lvemux |
| [20:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | no i mean "[14:01:43] <+Beirdo> you may not need to" |
| [20:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | was that for me? |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | as avidemux is a supreme bitch, it can be tricky |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | DVD is inherently MPEG2 |
| [20:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | right |
| [20:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | i dont remove any commercials |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | as long as you record at the right resolution |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | well then you just need a remux |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | that's in the mythtv documentation |
| [20:05:00] | Goose-Npa: | what exactly is a remux? |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | if you record at a non-DVD resolution, you will need to resize |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | it demultiplexes the audio and video from the stream |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | then remultiplexes them into a new stream that the DVD authoring software likes |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | would take about 4min or so for a 1h show |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | if that |
| [20:06:00] | Goose-Npa: | let me see if i can find that in the documentation most likey i will not be able to |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | it was in there last I looked |
| [20:07:00] | Goose-Npa: | you remember what section? |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | somewhere near the end? |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | not sure exactly |
| [20:07:00] | Goose-Npa: | 22.20 Burning a MythTV recording to a DVD (alternate version) |
| [20:07:00] | Goose-Npa: | This is specific to MPEG-2 .nuv files created by Hauppauge PVR-X50 video capture cards. |
| [20:07:00] | Goose-Npa: | that? |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | that sounds like the one |
| [20:08:00] | Cagochi: | I should have read that more closesly... I looked at it but still am struggling with my dvd authoring. |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | I personally use Winblows software to author |
| [20:09:00] | Cagochi: | I have to put my plextor drive into another computer to do the firmware upgrade because it's a windows firmware update. |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | the horrors... |
| [20:09:00] | Cagochi: | using encore? |
| [20:09:00] | mishehu: | I author one disc in windoze, then I duplicate it nonstop in linux. |
| [20:10:00] | Goose-Npa: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/400099 thats the script it tells you to run. Anyway I can make the script just demux and remux leaving me with just the .mpg file . The script they have automatically puts it into dvdauthor,etc. |
| [20:10:00] | Cagochi: | I was looking at dvdauthor in linux which makes the VIDEO_TS and (unnecessary) AUDIO_TS directories and makes all the vob bup ifo files pretty easily. |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | Goose-Npa: you can just remove the dvdauthor part to your own liking |
| [20:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | gracias |
| [20:11:00] | Goose-Npa: | i'll give it a try now |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | worth a try |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | it should be nice and fast, and you get results soon |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | if you want cutting, it gets trickier |
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| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | Puke2 has quit (Success) |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:12:00] | Cagochi: | good luck Goose |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | good puking |
| [20:12:00] | Cagochi: | Have you guys seen or heard of "pluto"? |
| [20:12:00] | Cagochi: | not the planet |
| [20:12:00] | Cagochi: | http://plutohome.com/ |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | you mean the lameasses that spammed everyone to tell them to use their product? |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:12:00] | kahuna_: | The disney dog? |
| [20:13:00] | Cagochi: | it's disney? |
| [20:13:00] | Cagochi: | I went and downloaded their source and went to put it together myself on gentoo.... and they said I was the first person who came to them to put it all together from source. |
| [20:13:00] | Cagochi: | their source doesn't even have a README or INSTALL... and they don't use make tools. |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | probably the first person to bother downloading it at all |
| [20:14:00] | Goose-Npa: | Beirdo: however to change the resolution that would require encoding right? |
| [20:14:00] | kahuna_: | What is it exaclty? Some sort of open-source penis enlargement? |
| [20:14:00] | Goose-Npa: | cause the files i have now are 480x480 |
| [20:14:00] | Cagochi: | feature wise... I'd like the python scripts from the xbox mediacenter... and the connectivity of the plutohome on my cell phone in MythTV |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | Goose-Npa: yes, to change resolution requires re-encoding it |
| [20:14:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna_: I don't recall the license. |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | which is why you should record at 720x480 or 704x480 or 352x480 |
| [20:15:00] | Beirdo: | all of which are DVD resolutions |
| [20:15:00] | kahuna_: | I was wondering what screen reloution looks best for NTSC Analog TV? |
| [20:15:00] | Juski: | 720x480 |
| [20:15:00] | ** GreyFoxx records at 544x480. But then I don't have HDTV nor care about putting them on DVD's :) ** | |
| [20:15:00] | Juski: | you can probably get away with much, much lower though |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I mean if you intend to burn DVD from the content, GreyFoxx :) |
| [20:16:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna_: I agree with Juski. I've been recording at 720x480 with maxbitrates and everything looks really really smooth. |
| [20:16:00] | kahuna_: | I'm not sure if my vidcard supports that mode. I'm doing 600x800 ATM. |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | or even 352x240 if you really want to |
| [20:16:00] | Juski: | some dvd extras are the lowest rez & they dont look too bad |
| [20:17:00] | kahuna_: | Maybe I'll give that a shot. 350x240 is the standard NTSC res, right? |
| [20:17:00] | Juski: | no.. 720x480 is |
| [20:17:00] | kahuna_: | I think I saw some crappy VCD mpegs that were that Res. |
| [20:17:00] | Cagochi: | What should I compile to fix this error? |
| [20:17:00] | Cagochi: | checking for avcodec_thread_init in -lavcodec... no |
| [20:17:00] | Cagochi: | configure: error: error transcode depends on the FFmpeg (libavcodec) libraries and headers |
| [20:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kauna: 720x480 us thestandard NTSC DVD res, your TV broadcasts are closer to 480x480–544x480 |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | 352x240 is VCD res |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | and VCD content (352x240 MPEG-1) is part of the DVD spec |
| [20:18:00] | ** GreyFoxx votes XML::Twig off the island and looks at the next parsing module ** | |
| [20:18:00] | Juski: | less if you're talking about active TV lines ;) |
| [20:18:00] | kahuna_: | That explains it then. I remember encoding a VCD in that res and thought it was standard NTSC. |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | just a part that is rarely followed |
| [20:19:00] | Goose-Npa: | sh /home/packages/convertscript.sh 1062_20050922220000_20050922223000.nuv |
| [20:19:00] | Goose-Npa: | **ERROR: [mplex] Unable to open file vid0 for reading. |
| [20:19:00] | kahuna_: | Does Mpeg4 look OK on a TV or is it really blocky? |
| [20:19:00] | Cagochi: | Goose-Npa: do you have write permissions on that directory? |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | kahuna_: seen some that looked good, some that looked crappy |
| [20:19:00] | Juski: | depends on the bitrate & resolution. even mpeg2 can look like shit, kahuna |
| [20:20:00] | kahuna_: | Yah, I've encoded my fair share of crappy mp2 |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | all brown and lumpy. |
| [20:20:00] | Juski: | you should see sports channels on UK digital TV... LOL |
| [20:20:00] | kahuna_: | Mine was so crappy I swear there was something that looked like corn on the screen. |
| [20:20:00] | Cagochi: | lol |
| [20:20:00] | Goose-Npa: | Cagochi: ok i added write permissions and tried again now i get |
| [20:20:00] | Goose-Npa: | mkfifo: cannot create fifo `dvdmpg': File exists |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:21:00] | Juski: | and there are people who own 42" plasmas looking at 2mbit mpeg2.. I dunno how they put up with it |
| [20:21:00] | kahuna_: | you know what sucks is that sirius touts greater quality but the quality sucks due to the high compression. |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: you can only watch the porn you can download |
| [20:21:00] | Cagochi: | goose-npa: i dunno what's in the convertscript.sh |
| [20:21:00] | Juski: | lol Beirdo |
| [20:21:00] | Goose-Npa: | Cagochi: hold on |
| [20:22:00] | Goose-Npa: | Cagochi: http://pastebin.com/400112 |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | I've just determined that the bass line in this music is downright boring |
| [20:23:00] | kahuna_: | What music? |
| [20:23:00] | kahuna_: | I don't hear anything? |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | the band is Deliverance |
| [20:23:00] | Juski: | turn yer speakers up then, kahuna ;) |
| [20:23:00] | Cagochi: | Goose-Npa: if lines 3 & 4 worked.... than line 5 is either a reserved keyword or the file already exists... delete existing dvdmpg and try again. |
| [20:23:00] | kahuna_: | Is that a christian metal group? |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | early-mid 90s metal |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | a pretty good one |
| [20:23:00] | kahuna_: | I have a friend that lives off that stuff |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | but the bass is BORING |
| [20:24:00] | kahuna_: | And mortificatin |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'll switch to Tourniquet in a moment |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:24:00] | kahuna_: | Yah right. You're a big Stryper fan :) |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | heh, that too |
| [20:24:00] | Goose-Npa: | Cagochi: http://pastebin.com/400114 , thats what it does and it created a 0kb dvdmpg file |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm in the mood for Tourniquet |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | Psycho Surgery... that sounds like a plan |
| [20:24:00] | Cagochi: | That's cause you're making a fifo |
| [20:25:00] | kahuna_: | I used to like a band called Bride. |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | Yup |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | Snakes in the Playground |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | got that one ripped on the hard drive too :) |
| [20:25:00] | Goose-Npa: | Cagochi: yea but isnt' mplex supposed to take the fifo stuff and do something with it? |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | if it can't read both fifos, it won't get far |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | dunno if that's the issue or not |
| [20:26:00] | Cagochi: | goose-npa: i don't think you need line 5 |
| [20:26:00] | Cagochi: | goose-npa: you're mplexing to an output file and the script stops... why does dvdmpg need to be a fifo? |
| [20:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | i dunno thats what the script in the mythtv documenteation had |
| [20:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | i'll try without it |
| [20:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | hold on |
| [20:27:00] | Goose-Npa: | but what do i do about the dvdmpg part in the mplex line? |
| [20:27:00] | Cagochi: | Goose-Npa: I'm not up2date with the mythtv documentation in that area... I'm kinda doin it the hardway |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | Cagochi: because it was being read by dvdauthor |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | use a file as output of the remux, not a fifo |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | unless something's reading it |
| [20:27:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: he didn't show that here http://pastebin.com/400112 |
| [20:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | yea i removed the dvdauthor lines |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | that's because he removed that part from the original script :) |
| [20:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | i guess that changes everything heh |
| [20:28:00] | Cagochi: | remove line 5 |
| [20:28:00] | Goose-Npa: | i removed line 5 and it does the same thing |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | just remove line 5, change the output to a filename if you wish (like file.mpg) |
| [20:28:00] | Beirdo: | if you have lots of disk... |
| [20:28:00] | Cagochi: | remove the dvdmpg fifo |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | remove all the fifos |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | (comment out) |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | wait |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | on line 9 |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | remove the & |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | that's why, it's removing your fifos before you're done |
| [20:29:00] | Cagochi: | how about this. |
| [20:29:00] | Cagochi: | Goose-Npa:.... keep line 9... and change aud0 vid0 to your real file names. |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | leave aud0 and vid0 as fifos, don't background the mplex line |
| [20:29:00] | Cagochi: | just use line 9 at the command prompt |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | or that :) |
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| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | ahhhh... > 120bps music. |
| [20:30:00] | Goose-Npa: | heh that sucks |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [20:31:00] | Goose-Npa: | 120 is low |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | um no |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | most "pop" music, etc, is between 60–90 bps |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | bpm |
| [20:31:00] | Goose-Npa: | ahh |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | not per second |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | this (Tourniquet) is speed-metal in style, and is about 150–180bpm |
| [20:32:00] | Goose-Npa: | so i just removed the & and changed the output to a .mpg file name and it seems to be working |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | i.e. between 2.5–3 beats every second |
| [20:32:00] | Cagochi: | :) |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | ie. pounding the CRAP outta the poor drums |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:33:00] | Beirdo: | great driving music |
| [20:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, I'd love to be able to pull up a translucent window showing upcoming recordings overlapped on a playing recording |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | sounds like you found your next project |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Shouldn't be too difficult. I'd just do it the same way the Menu list does |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [20:36:00] | Goose-Npa: | alright that works |
| [20:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or I could a menu option to the menu for that and then if chosen a translucent window displaying the info |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: you think that Wilma will make it to you like they predict? |
| [20:36:00] | Goose-Npa: | just gotta remember to record everything from now on at 720x480 |
| [20:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: I had no idea it was expected to hit here :) |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | pretty close to it if not hit |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200524_5day.html |
| [20:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | At what strength though |
| [20:37:00] | Cagochi: | They've been tracking Wilma all over the place... it could go anywhere on the western part of FL |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | too far out to say |
| [20:37:00] | xris: | poor Beirdo... |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | but that track looks like it's gonna get Halifax |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:37:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: you're in Florida? |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | oh, I re-routed via Chicago |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | fuck Miami |
| [20:37:00] | Cardoe: | didn't think so |
| [20:38:00] | ** Cardoe yawns. ** | |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | this is twice now |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | Hurricanes |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | so boring |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | I had to do this to avoid Katrina too |
| [20:38:00] | ** Cardoe is in Florida ** | |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, but you are askin for it |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | Asking for what? |
| [20:38:00] | Cardoe: | Hurricanes are nothing |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | depends on strength |
| [20:39:00] | Ryushin: | Cardoe: Yea. Death is boring too. Heck, death is the great boring. :) |
| [20:39:00] | ** Cardoe rolls his eyes. ** | |
| [20:39:00] | Cardoe: | So the power goes out for a little bit |
| [20:39:00] | Cardoe: | there's some downed trees |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | I'd like to see you say a Cat5 hurricane is "nothing" |
| [20:39:00] | Cardoe: | perfect time to snap some pictures. |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | "hey, where the fuck did my house go?" |
| [20:39:00] | Ryushin: | LOL!! |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | you can scoff at Cat1 or Cat2 if ya want :) |
| [20:40:00] | Cagochi: | shit... it was a cat3 that hit new orleans |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and it's pretty wussie compared to what it was |
| [20:41:00] | Cagochi: | but that is below sea level anyways... which was their major problem. |
| [20:41:00] | Juski: | Cat5 hurricane? when will they upgrade it to Cat5e? |
| [20:41:00] | Cagochi: | Juski: when it gets blinkin lights. |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | Katrina, Rita and Wilma all made it to Category 5 |
| [20:41:00] | Cagochi: | yeah |
| [20:41:00] | Juski: | scary thought though.. HOW many hurricanes in HOW long?! |
| [20:42:00] | Cagochi: | Juski: maybe if the hurricanes hit silicon valley they'll cal it a Cat5e |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | all hitting 175mph max wind |
| [20:42:00] | Ryushin: | Heck, Rita and Wilma both made it to a super Cat 5 which is 175 mph plus. |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I'll scoff at Wilma |
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| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | because it'll be a cat3 at landfall |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, the Perl XML modules just chew up ram |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | and a cat2 when it comes near me |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | by the time it gets to you it might just suck |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | And it's hurricane force winds don't extend far |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | 80Meg to store the parsed 23meg file |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | so we'll have 40–50mph winds here. |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm sure people in Honduras and Mexico are cursing it good |
| [20:42:00] | Cardoe: | and the power will go out. |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | the 24" of rain in a day shit has GOT to be annoying |
| [20:43:00] | Juski: | we had a tornado in the UK a while ago.. some roof tiles got blown about or something |
| [20:43:00] | Cardoe: | So there will be nothing to do but mess around with your friends. |
| [20:43:00] | Cardoe: | or I can go to work |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | don't make TOO many mini-Cardoes |
| [20:43:00] | Cardoe: | and stay there and make some bank |
| [20:43:00] | Ryushin: | yea, but I guess hurricanes spawn a bunch of tornadoes too. As if you don't have it bad enough, it's spawning Cat 1–5 tornados. |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | good for all the trailer parks in Florida |
| [20:43:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: hahaha that was actually the implication... I was gonna write "have sex" but toned it down |
| [20:43:00] | Cagochi: | man florida could be bad... huricane might drop alligators on you |
| [20:43:00] | Ryushin: | Well, them be tornado magnets. |
| [20:44:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:44:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: The alligator outside is pretty tame. |
| [20:44:00] | Cardoe: | I feed him sometimes. |
| [20:44:00] | Cagochi: | cardoe: I have a boa constrictor... and I saw news on tv about those 10ft 12ft pythons there you have now... and the one that ate the 9ft alligator |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [20:45:00] | Krazylegz: | A 12ft python ate a 9ft alligator? |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | stupid snake |
| [20:45:00] | Ryushin: | I've lived in Colorado and Iowa. I've seen the results of some nasty twisters. |
| [20:45:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: what do you feed him? |
| [20:45:00] | Cardoe: | if my roommate decides to kill something on the grill. |
| [20:45:00] | Cardoe: | I've thrown him what it used to be. |
| [20:45:00] | Cardoe: | she's a female |
| [20:45:00] | Cardoe: | hense 0 grilling ability. |
| [20:45:00] | Cagochi: | Krazylegz: and then the python died... cause after he swallowed up the alligator... right about at the end... the snake ripped apart at the head. |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | you WILL get quoted on that, Cardoe |
| [20:45:00] | Cardoe: | a 12ft snake ate a 9ft alligator? I don't believe that. |
| [20:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: lol |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | I think it was a 20ft Burmese Python |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | but either way, a bit ambitious |
| [20:46:00] | Cagochi: | I saved the CNN video from it. |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | kill the fuckin gator first, stupid snake |
| [20:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: why do you guys think I break up my sentenses in multiple lines? Makes it harder to use my words against me if you can't find them easily |
| [20:46:00] | Cagochi: | I found a neat script to go inside the javascript and give me an absolute link to cnnvideo... then I just dumpstream with mplayer. |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | we'll get you anyways, Cardoe |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | 1h15m |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | almost done |
| [20:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Off at 4 today? |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | chiro appt |
| [20:47:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: lol |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | then flying early tomorrow mornign |
| [20:48:00] | Cardoe: | last hurricane was awesome |
| [20:48:00] | Cardoe: | well the first one |
| [20:49:00] | Cardoe: | I had just broken up with my Baptist girlfriend. |
| [20:49:00] | Cardoe: | I was getting the pity treatment from girls already |
| [20:49:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: is that why girls are stupid, throw rocks at them? |
| [20:49:00] | Cardoe: | then there was no power for 5 days and nothing to do. |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | and now you are on the hook for paternity several times over? |
| [20:49:00] | Cardoe: | lol |
| [20:49:00] | Cagochi: | hehe |
| [20:50:00] | Krazylegz: | Cabin feva! |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | damn, this music still isn't loud enough |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure my coworkers disagree |
| [20:50:00] | Cardoe: | my roommate lost her virginity to her boyfriend... |
| [20:50:00] | Cardoe: | on day 1 |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:51:00] | Cardoe: | and well I don't think they stopped. |
| [20:51:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: that means he didn't tag you in. |
| [20:51:00] | Cagochi: | hehe |
| [20:51:00] | Cardoe: | that's fine. |
| [20:51:00] | Cardoe: | I was busy with her roommate |
| [20:51:00] | Cardoe: | We didn't live together last year. |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:52:00] | Cagochi: | Yall seen the python scripts for X-Box media center to show video from all over the streaming internet? |
| [20:52:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: no |
| [20:52:00] | Cardoe: | I asked you for the link a while back |
| [20:52:00] | ** Beirdo makes a mental note.. forget the ring, you are DEAD! ** | |
| [20:52:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: I don't have a link. |
| [20:53:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: I stopped at my buddies house... he's a windows admin but paid $600 for a pimped xbox.... |
| [20:53:00] | Cardoe: | so a modchip and a HD? |
| [20:53:00] | Cagochi: | This thing has scripts to watch i-film video... thehun video... cnnvideo... you name it |
| [20:53:00] | Juski: | $600?! lol |
| [20:53:00] | Cardoe: | he got jacked |
| [20:53:00] | Juski: | standard xbmc scripts, those |
| [20:53:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: I don't know which hardware version... he bought it 2 years ago... I just checked it out at the beginning of the month. |
| [20:53:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [20:53:00] | Cardoe: | just streaming off of cnn and that stuff? |
| [20:54:00] | Cardoe: | yeah what Juski said |
| [20:54:00] | Cagochi: | And I fixed it for him... none of the scripts worked right cause he didn't program a DNS entry into the network setup |
| [20:54:00] | Cardoe: | it's just xbmc |
| [20:54:00] | Cagochi: | Juski: yeah all those. |
| [20:54:00] | Juski: | http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.pl |
| [20:54:00] | Cardoe: | did he at least get an upgraded HD with it? |
| [20:54:00] | kormoc: | Cagochi, you should do your own for like $200 and show it off :P |
| [20:54:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: forget that... buy a refurbed one for $99 |
| [20:54:00] | Cardoe: | and do it for less |
| [20:55:00] | Juski: | don't forget to buy some wanker lights for it |
| [20:55:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc: I'm workin on it.... I have 3 architectures of 86 for my "for sale" systems that are in development at the moment. Athlon, Pentium 3 and Pentium 4 |
| [20:55:00] | kormoc: | hardrive + modchip is under 100? |
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| [20:55:00] | chris-^: | hi! |
| [20:55:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc: I wouldn't use the modchip if you don't have to |
| [20:55:00] | Cagochi: | Hi Chris |
| [20:55:00] | Juski: | modchips are 'illegal' ya know.. lol |
| [20:55:00] | Cardoe: | why wouldn't you use a modchip? |
| [20:55:00] | kormoc: | Cagochi, I was under the impression you had to. |
| [20:55:00] | Cardoe: | It's dumb not to |
| [20:55:00] | chris-^: | i have an avermedia win tv98 card... what module options would you use (if you have this card) |
| [20:55:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: cause you can do it in software. |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you can use the MechAssault hack |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | but then you can't use it as an Xbox |
| [20:56:00] | kormoc: | ahh, fair nuff. |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: which is stupid. |
| [20:56:00] | chris-^: | with the options I am using, only kdetv gives me picture, i'd like to use tvtie |
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| [20:56:00] | chris-^: | tvtime* |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | the software hacks are stupid |
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| [20:56:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: well... does the software hack make it work like a real PC? |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | chris-^: uh. notice this says mythtv in the name? |
| [20:56:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, yeah, he knows |
| [20:56:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I send that someone in here might have the same card and would know the correct module options |
| [20:56:00] | Cardoe: | Cagochi: kinda... and NOT like an Xbox ever again |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | i'm trying to get module options if anyone has the same card |
| [20:57:00] | Cardoe: | avermedia is probably a bttv card |
| [20:57:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, cause his problem has got me stumped. |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | it IS |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | but |
| [20:57:00] | Cagochi: | Cardoe: well... that suits me fine... they're just $99 distcc nodes... AFAIC |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | I can't tell if i have my module options right |
| [20:57:00] | Cardoe: | you don't need options |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | the only thing that gives me picture is kdetv |
| [20:57:00] | chris-^: | nothing else |
| [20:57:00] | Cardoe: | modprobe bttv |
| [20:57:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, it is, tuner type 6, all gets loaded correctly, looks fine in dmesg, but picture in tvtime/xawtv are screwed. |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | define screwed |
| [20:58:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc: i2c modules in the kernel? |
| [20:58:00] | kormoc: | 1/3 static, rest green |
| [20:58:00] | chris-^: | in xawtv |
| [20:58:00] | chris-^: | in tvtime, just a blue screen |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | make sure you have PAL vs NTSC right |
| [20:58:00] | kormoc: | Cagochi, yeah, or else bttv wouldn't build correctly. |
| [20:58:00] | chris-^: | it's NTSC |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | make SURE you have it right |
| [20:58:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [20:58:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:58:00] | Cardoe: | but you're telling the program that it's NTSC right? |
| [20:58:00] | chris-^: | yes |
| [20:59:00] | Cagochi: | So how do I put xbmc scripts into mythTV? would it be better for the long run to just model an emulator to copy all the xbmc developments? or make new? |
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| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: Myth doesn't use the same xml/theme format as xbmc and you can't just drop it in and expect myth to use it |
| [21:00:00] | Juski: | eh? where did that idea come from? |
| [21:01:00] | Juski: | the python stuff still relies on all the xbox development kit libraries |
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| [21:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: In fact a lot of the stuff in xbmc including widgets and screen controls are not currently an option with myth |
| [21:01:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: agreed.... would it be best for the users of myth... to always have the xbmc scripts available for use at xbmc release time because we just parse/encapsulate their data? or is there another way? |
| [21:02:00] | Juski: | all you'd need to do is port the XDK to linux ;) |
| [21:02:00] | Juski: | now there's a 2 hour job for someone... er hang on.. |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: It's the other way around, XBMC can access the myth data, myth doesn't use "their" data at all |
| [21:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or am I misunderstanding what you mean ? |
| [21:03:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx.. I think he's talking about bringing some of XBMC's functionality to mythtv |
| [21:04:00] | Juski: | mv feature-requests > /dev/null |
| [21:05:00] | Cagochi: | hehe |
| [21:05:00] | Cagochi: | to /dev/null huh |
| [21:06:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, it's a feature request... either that or just a simple tweak on mythnews. |
| [21:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Since I didn't see what this started out as, what are you looking to implement ? |
| [21:06:00] | Juski: | mythstream already does pretty similar stuff.. it'd be worth looking into (maybe) |
| [21:07:00] | laga: | i really should look into getting mythstreamtv to work on a debian sarge box. and document it. it's just a PITA |
| [21:08:00] | Juski: | it (kind of) works in minimyth |
| [21:08:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: My design would let you opt in to download streams from content providers.... there would be news, entertainment, foreign or domestic... porn etc... and you either download on demand... or have the computer take it time during the day about getting a few marked entries on various sites. |
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| [21:08:00] | cougar_h: | hello |
| [21:08:00] | Juski: | I managed to watch the live feed of the shuttle launch in mythstream.. which was pretty cool |
| [21:09:00] | Cagochi: | Juski: I haven't seen mythstream yet. |
| [21:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: I could see that as useful, especiall something that lets you pulldown/stream movie trailers and such |
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| [21:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | and I've never looked at mythstream so it might be just the framework you need |
| [21:10:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: especially since windows users get to watch it and then lose it... this would allow you to keep it. |
| [21:10:00] | cougar_h: | I enabled 'use Xv picture controls' once and now my picture is green (hue is negative). when I restore hue with any other application like kaffeine, mythtv resets it again when I look live tv even xv controls are not enabled any more. any ideas? |
| [21:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Something that lists available audio + av streams |
| [21:10:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: radio talk shows too... think of a list with live NPR feeds from all the cities with National Public Radio. |
| [21:10:00] | Chutt: | cougar_h, change the picture controls? or, don't use them? |
| [21:11:00] | cougar_h: | I don't use them |
| [21:11:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: or even more elegant, a "script server" where myth connects to make sure that it has a stream compatible with the website it wants to scrape that day. |
| [21:11:00] | cougar_h: | I changed setup once but now it is restored again but mythtv still changes xv controls avery time I watch live tv |
| [21:11:00] | Chutt: | then turn them off |
| [21:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd really like something that I could set to go grab trailers off apple's site or some other location. Though I'm sure it sucks if it's all screenscraping and they keep changing the page |
| [21:12:00] | Chutt: | and it won't do that. |
| [21:12:00] | cougar_h: | where to turn them off? |
| [21:12:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: I mean script... that is compatible with how the site changes |
| [21:12:00] | Chutt: | the same place you turned them on. |
| [21:12:00] | cougar_h: | it is off |
| [21:12:00] | Chutt: | no, it's not. |
| [21:12:00] | Chutt: | it wouldn't be adjusting the picture controls if it were. |
| [21:12:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: believe it or not... the user-agent for xbmc says it's the xbox. |
| [21:12:00] | cougar_h: | at least frontend shows that it is not enabled any more |
| [21:12:00] | chris-^: | HAHA |
| [21:12:00] | chris-^: | fixed it |
| [21:13:00] | chris-^: | it was a PEBKAC thing. |
| [21:13:00] | chris-^: | I forgot tvtime is set to use cable freq's by defaukt |
| [21:13:00] | amorphix: | hi |
| [21:13:00] | chris-^: | :P |
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| [21:13:00] | phoner: | anyone know how to delete a recording profile? |
| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | highlight and hit D ? |
| [21:13:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [21:13:00] | amorphix: | chris-^: is it possible to do mythtv over wireless router? |
| [21:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | not that I've tried |
| [21:13:00] | mchou: | haha..... |
| [21:13:00] | mchou: | that's lame |
| [21:13:00] | Cardoe: | my PPC box got mad at me |
| [21:14:00] | cougar_h: | anyway, I see that there are code changes in xv handling.. I'll look it deeper |
| [21:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: many people do. But most using 11b have problems |
| [21:14:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [21:14:00] | cougar_h: | I use it but over 11g |
| [21:14:00] | amorphix: | GreyFoxx: not enough bandwidth? |
| [21:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | the 11mb is a "max" if you are like 1 foot from the AP |
| [21:14:00] | phoner: | hm, it'd not D |
| [21:14:00] | laga: | Juski: did you ever think about using the dbox as a frontend? you can stream video to it over the network. |
| [21:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | amorphix: Most having connectivity and port BW issues using 11b. |
| [21:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | poor, not port sorry |
| [21:15:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [21:15:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: any other movie tralier sites? like iFilm that you can add to this list? |
| [21:15:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm. port... |
| [21:15:00] | amorphix: | i can maybe share a cable |
| [21:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: Not offhand :) |
| [21:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: Apple is the only site I ever go for trailers :) |
| [21:16:00] | cougar_h: | no change.. after mythtv start it changes hue. nothing else but hue only. all faces are green ;-p |
| [21:16:00] | Juski: | laga... I'm not thinking about doing any more network oriented stuff with the dbox |
| [21:16:00] | laga: | Juski: oh. bad experiences, i remember. |
| [21:16:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: I haven't added anything to myth before. Where in the code is the place to do what I said I want to design? |
| [21:16:00] | laga: | Juski: well, i haven't abandoned all hope yet |
| [21:16:00] | Juski: | laga: without putting too fine a point on it, the software is buggy as feck |
| [21:16:00] | amorphix: | whats the difference between the 150 and 250 pvr |
| [21:17:00] | Juski: | it works well as a set top box, but ask any more of it than that.. uh-oh |
| [21:17:00] | amorphix: | 250 is newer right? |
| [21:17:00] | Juski: | wrong. 150 is newer |
| [21:17:00] | amorphix: | oops |
| [21:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: I'd look at mythnews, and use that as a base for a new plugin. Or look at adding this to mythvideo since it would fit right in there |
| [21:17:00] | amorphix: | 150 is more advanced? |
| [21:17:00] | Juski: | nope |
| [21:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | just newer |
| [21:17:00] | amorphix: | oops again |
| [21:17:00] | Juski: | harder to get working (maybe) |
| [21:17:00] | Chutt: | hauppauge's website explains the difference between them. |
| [21:17:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: maybe each site as a new gallery in myth video? |
| [21:17:00] | amorphix: | im not good at this game ;-) |
| [21:17:00] | laga: | Juski: hehe |
| [21:17:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: right now it's just one gallery right? |
| [21:18:00] | amorphix: | 150 is cheaper and has less features eh |
| [21:18:00] | amorphix: | but it is a newer model |
| [21:18:00] | phoner: | ahh, it's M |
| [21:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | caga: I'd make it a seperate option outside of videolist, gallery etc. So you could have "Video List", "Gallery" , " Streams/Trailers" |
| [21:18:00] | Cagochi: | amorphix: 150 is newer better and less expensive. |
| [21:18:00] | Chutt: | it has the exact same features as the 250 |
| [21:18:00] | amorphix: | better than 250 even? |
| [21:18:00] | Chutt: | it's just a cost reduced version. |
| [21:18:00] | amorphix: | oh |
| [21:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | But let it save the somewhere that is accessible to the video list and such |
| [21:19:00] | amorphix: | thanks for explaining |
| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | which you'd have seen if you read hauppage's website. |
| [21:19:00] | amorphix: | i had a look earlier but found it very confusing |
| [21:19:00] | Juski: | I'm thinking about buying a 250 on ebay.. is there an easy way to make sure it's not a 'roslyn' version? |
| [21:19:00] | amorphix: | juski im going to bid against you most likely |
| [21:19:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: since some of these streams want you to buffer up for 2 minutes watching it on demand to prevent this type of scraping... as a user would you prefer to wait for that delay to watch cnn video? or would you like your box to give you a choice of just going out and spidering for it and you watch it later? |
| [21:19:00] | amorphix: | im in the market for a 250 or 150 also :P |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | are you in the UK? |
| [21:20:00] | Juski: | yep |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | if you tell me which one you want to bid on i wont bid on it |
| [21:20:00] | Juski: | yeah right! |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | theres 2 closing today |
| [21:20:00] | Cagochi: | Yall can get them cheaper through amazon probably |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | seriously |
| [21:20:00] | Juski: | what kinda sucker do you take me for? lol |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | i will tell you mind then |
| [21:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: It should be option per stream/trailer. "Watch now" or "Queue for download" |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | *mine |
| [21:20:00] | Juski: | there's a 150 ends in 2 days.. currently priced about £3.50 |
| [21:20:00] | amorphix: | juskti no... im serious! we dont want to hike each others prices up eh |
| [21:20:00] | cougar_h: | Chutt: you were right. this was kaffeine problem. even when I chanhed xv controls it always restored them when I exited. now I just sent SIGKILL to kaffeine and I have everything ok :-) |
| [21:21:00] | Cagochi: | This mythstream yall mentioned... I didn't see a gentoo ebuild for it. Am I not looking close enough? |
| [21:21:00] | amorphix: | ok i wont bid on yours...mine is.. |
| [21:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: It's not an official plugin. I've never actually looked at it |
| [21:21:00] | amorphix: | 250 closing in 4 hrs |
| [21:21:00] | Juski: | Cagochi.. there's no ebuild for it, which is why you don't see one |
| [21:21:00] | Cagochi: | hmm. |
| [21:21:00] | Cagochi: | Where's the official non-official plugins repository? |
| [21:21:00] | Juski: | amorphix.. I've looked at that one – infact all the 250s for sale.. it's hard to tell which are the ones which don't work in linux |
| [21:21:00] | ** Beirdo goes to snipe some PVR-250s ** | |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:21:00] | Beirdo: | just kidding |
| [21:22:00] | amorphix: | juskti theres another 150 closing in 3d 22hr if u havent noticed |
| [21:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: I don't know of any play that lists them all |
| [21:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | place |
| [21:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | Google.com maybe :) |
| [21:22:00] | amorphix: | juski: oh do some not work then? why is that? |
| [21:22:00] | Juski: | there's an MCE version, which I really suspect is a Roslyn version which AFAIK won't work with ivtv |
| [21:23:00] | Cagochi: | juski: is roslyn the revision of the 500s they're talking about on the ivtv mailing list? |
| [21:23:00] | amorphix: | juski: what card are you using now? I have an analog avermedia |
| [21:23:00] | Chutt: | non-official plugins are non-official because they were written either wrongly, or poorly |
| [21:23:00] | Juski: | I'm using 2x LR6650 dvb-t tuners |
| [21:23:00] | cougar_h: | one more question. how can I change OSD font? there was nothing to choose from and this field don't let me write anything in it. right now it is just empty :-( |
| [21:23:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: so then they become deprecated as those features are properly implemented upstream? |
| [21:24:00] | Chutt: | sure |
| [21:24:00] | Juski: | I've got a 3rd in my testing box, and I'm about to play with a conexant mpeg encoding 'blackbird' card tonight |
| [21:24:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/dscf0863.jpg <- When a PPC based MythTV box gets angry at you. |
| [21:24:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: so is an official mythstream being looked at by anybody on the dev team? |
| [21:24:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:24:00] | Chutt: | nope |
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| [21:25:00] | amorphix: | still a lot cheaper than new tho i guess |
| [21:25:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: were you following along with GreyFoxx and I about my feature request? |
| [21:25:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [21:25:00] | Juski: | that's what concerns me, amorphix.. the majority of people who buy computer gear on ebay are fools IMHO |
| [21:25:00] | Chutt: | i ignore feature requests. |
| [21:25:00] | gloin: | hi there. How do I use mythtranscode to convert .nuv files? I tried running it against a file, and it doesn't seem to do anything – I don't get a command prompt, but the cpu doesn't show any activity... |
| [21:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Unless they come with a working patch to implement it :) |
| [21:25:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: what features do you request? |
| [21:25:00] | ** gloin nods to Chutt =] ** | |
| [21:25:00] | amorphix: | juski: everyone is riding the mythtv wave and jumping in before askin questions? |
| [21:26:00] | Juski: | amorphix.. nope |
| [21:26:00] | amorphix: | so why so much hits on the 150 and 250's on ebay |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | do i request? |
| [21:26:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: I'm guessing you're throwing that comment at me. I'll happily put something together to patch the stable version on gentoo right now..... would it be best for me to do that? or directly work on svn? |
| [21:27:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: He just writes what he wants |
| [21:27:00] | Juski: | I put a psion wavefinder on ebay last year.. I sold it for more than I paid for it to an XP user, when I said in big bold text that it wouldn't work in XP without serious work.. anyway he sent it back to me – I gave a refund, then re-sold it for twice as much again |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: SVN |
| [21:27:00] | amorphix: | juski: haha incredible |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | If the patch doesn't apply to "current" SVN then it's not worthy |
| [21:27:00] | Juski: | very few bargains left on ebay anymore |
| [21:28:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:28:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: can I get ssh svn? or no? |
| [21:28:00] | Cagochi: | I mean ssl |
| [21:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | As in svn access to commit changes? Not likely :) |
| [21:28:00] | gloin: | basically, when I try to run mythtranscode on a .nuv file from a recorded program, --showprogress shows the following final message" |
| [21:28:00] | gloin: | 2005-10–20 12:27:44.039 Unknown video codec: |
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| [21:28:00] | Cagochi: | GreyFoxx: there's no ssl for readonly? |
| [21:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | But you can submit patches to trac or the dev list :) If you look at add what we just described as another option for mythvideo I would definately try it out as I would find that useful |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | why would read only access use ssl? |
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| [21:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cagochi: Why bother? It's not like you need to "secure" the source |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | it's read only |
| [21:29:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: I don't get a checksum for SVN do I? |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | a checksum? |
| [21:29:00] | Cagochi: | md5 |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | why would you need one? |
| [21:30:00] | gloin: | anyone know what to do about the "Unknown video codec" error when using mythtranscode? Google isn't producing anything helpful (so far) |
| [21:30:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:30:00] | amorphix: | why is the pvr 150 better than 250 |
| [21:30:00] | Cagochi: | Cause it's like the difference between having a whites only bathroom and not having a whites only bathroom. |
| [21:30:00] | Juski: | anyway amorphix... I'll mostly just be watching the bids on the cards for now.. and in the meantime seeing if I can get this card going |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | uhhh... |
| [21:31:00] | Chutt: | what the hell are you talking about? |
| [21:31:00] | amorphix: | juski i wont bid on your cards |
| [21:31:00] | gloin: | hello? |
| [21:31:00] | Juski: | amorphix.. the 150 is newer & cheaper.. instead of having a seperate video decoder & mpeg encoder they're rolled into one chip on the 150 |
| [21:31:00] | NightMonkey: | Cagochi: That metaphor only obscures your ideas... |
| [21:31:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:32:00] | Cagochi: | Just wanting to ensure to the best of my ability that when I download your SVN and compile it... that I didn't get some man in the middle who changed up the source. |
| [21:32:00] | amorphix: | i only use it for capturing stills from antiques shows |
| [21:32:00] | Chutt: | .... yeah. |
| [21:32:00] | gloin: | frell... |
| [21:32:00] | amorphix: | juski: oh i see |
| [21:32:00] | Chutt: | because that happens all the time. |
| [21:32:00] | Juski: | I've got 2 crappy bttv cards, but I'd really like mpeg... and if the price of the 150 goes up to more than £30 I'd not bother – I can buy one new for about £45 |
| [21:32:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: It's not a matter of if it will ever happen. It's a matter of when. |
| [21:32:00] | Chutt: | suuuure it is |
| [21:32:00] | amorphix: | phew |
| [21:33:00] | amorphix: | |
| [21:33:00] | gloin: | ok |
| [21:33:00] | amorphix: | bttv cards are ok just for playback and still captures |
| [21:33:00] | gloin: | hello? Mythtranscode: unknown video codec: <--- what causes this? |
| [21:33:00] | Cagochi: | I'd be willing to wax the server if it slows down things to much to decypher encrypted HTTP. |
| [21:33:00] | Chutt: | gloin, if no one answers, why do you think someone will if you keep repeating yourself? |
| [21:34:00] | Chutt: | cagochi, yeah, you do that. |
| [21:34:00] | Juski: | amorphix: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=243754 is sometimes on their 'today only for less than that |
| [21:34:00] | NightMonkey: | Wow, a free server waxing. Turtle Wax, perhaps? |
| [21:34:00] | Juski: | and there's this one: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=150990 |
| [21:34:00] | amorphix: | cool |
| [21:34:00] | Cagochi: | NightMonkey: sure ;) |
| [21:34:00] | gloin: | Chutt: hrm, frustration perhaps? Knowing that someone who directed me from the dev channel to here isn't answering a question he/she probably knows the answer to? |
| [21:35:00] | Chutt: | why do you think i know the answer? |
| [21:35:00] | amorphix: | i might get a new one then if the ebay prices dont get down a bit |
| [21:35:00] | amorphix: | at least you get a waranty then |
| [21:35:00] | Juski: | read the user comments & questions on there, amorphix.. they're good for a laugh |
| [21:35:00] | Cagochi: | gloin: sometimes it helps to post a link to your console output... you can easily do that at pastebin.com |
| [21:35:00] | gloin: | seems like the sort of thing that would pop up often enough. |
| [21:35:00] | Chutt: | uh, no |
| [21:35:00] | Chutt: | what's with the morons today? |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | gloin: Trust me, if it was a regular occurance we would have answered |
| [21:36:00] | NightMonkey: | They don't make morons like they used to? |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | I assume the source file plays without any problem ? |
| [21:36:00] | gloin: | Chutt: seriously hope you weren't referring to me |
| [21:36:00] | gloin: | GreyFoxx: yeah, plays fine |
| [21:36:00] | NightMonkey: | j/k |
| [21:36:00] | Chutt: | indeed, you were one of them |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | gloin: What kind of file is it ? |
| [21:36:00] | gloin: | Chutt: how about you fuck off then. |
| [21:36:00] | Chutt: | sure |
| [21:37:00] | gloin: | GreyFoxx: it's a .nuv |
| [21:37:00] | gloin: | http://pastebin.ca/26087 |
| [21:37:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Chutt | |
| [21:37:00] | NightMonkey: | gloin: Why don't you post the error (if it is short), or pastebin it if it is long? |
| [21:37:00] | NightMonkey: | doh |
| [21:37:00] | gloin: | heh =] |
| [21:37:00] | Cagochi: | here it comes |
| [21:37:00] | Chutt sets mode +b *!*i=me@*pdpc/supporter/student/gloin | |
| [21:37:00] | gloin was kicked from #mythtv-users by Chutt | |
| [21:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | gloin: No, I'm asking what codec. What is the recording source ? |
| [21:37:00] | NightMonkey: | gloin: Do you know who Chutt is? |
| [21:37:00] | Cagochi: | going going gone |
| [21:37:00] | Chutt sets mode -o Chutt | |
| [21:38:00] | NightMonkey: | blammo |
| [21:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: You have no idea how often I get the urge to do just that in here :) |
| [21:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | But my lack of ability to do it stifles that quick enough :) |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | btw |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | he never ran mythtranscode --help |
| [21:39:00] | Cagochi: | Chutt: you are cold like ice.... are you makin a million bucks already or soon will be? |
| [21:39:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [21:39:00] | Krazylegz: | Very nice. |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | greyfoxx, hey, for that mythgallery transition – did you apply the patch on the dev list with the fix for the grey screen? |
| [21:40:00] | Krazylegz: | I missed that ban. :-( |
| [21:40:00] | mchou: | what does $ have anything to do with personality? |
| [21:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: Not yet. Was gonna wait til I got home to look at it |
| [21:40:00] | ** Krazylegz owes Chutt more beer ** | |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | ok |
| [21:40:00] | Cagochi: | mchou: $ has to do with decision making. |
| [21:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | My GF Loves the new transition :) |
| [21:40:00] | mchou: | Cagochi: lol |
| [21:41:00] | Cagochi: | maybe make a #mythtv-losers chanel... where they get sent when they come back after being banned. that would be cool. |
| [21:41:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. I want to reformat this Mythbox eventually and install Gentoo. Should I install from source, or use Cardoe's ebuilds? |
| [21:41:00] | Cagochi: | or #mythtv-lusers |
| [21:41:00] | ** Krazylegz invites Cagochi to #mythv-losers ** | |
| [21:41:00] | Cagochi: | Use Cardoe's ebuilds |
| [21:41:00] | kahuna_: | Cagochi: I could just imagine the quality of questions asked there... |
| [21:41:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: Cardoe's ebuilds are in Portage proper. |
| [21:42:00] | Krazylegz: | NightMonkey: They are now? I thought you had to download them. |
| [21:42:00] | Juski: | or #mythtv!users |
| [21:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, I've been parsing this bloody xml file for at least 30 minutes, this is insane |
| [21:42:00] | Cagochi: | kahuna_: Krazylegz will answer them... he's the op there. |
| [21:42:00] | kahuna_: | "Ok, I got linux installed. Now what's this $ thingy on the screen?" |
| [21:42:00] | Juski: | kahuna_: that was me after I tried slackware |
| [21:42:00] | kahuna_: | :P |
| [21:42:00] | Krazylegz: | Dang right! |
| [21:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: He is a Gentoo MythTV dev. |
| [21:42:00] | Krazylegz: | NightMonkey: I know, but I didn't think that his ebuilds were in Portage. |
| [21:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Gah. Gloin is pm-ing me. I told him to never talk to me. |
| [21:43:00] | kahuna_: | Tell groin to go away. |
| [21:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | NightMonkey: Likely because I ignored his /msg to me :) |
| [21:43:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: Maybe we aren't on the same page? |
| [21:44:00] | Krazylegz: | Perhaps. I'm just wondering if I should use ebuilds or build from source. |
| [21:44:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: Is there some special ebuild you are talking about? MythTV, ivtv, or ? |
| [21:44:00] | Juski: | £10 postage on a PVR-150 card?! does it weigh like 30 kilos or something? |
| [21:44:00] | Krazylegz: | MythTV. |
| [21:44:00] | kahuna_: | Juski: slack's a bit harsh for a 1st linux distro, eh? |
| [21:44:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: If you are choosing Gentoo, it is pointless to compile anything from source, as it will undo the management of Portage. |
| [21:44:00] | kahuna_: | I hate it when dealers avoid ebay fees with high shipping. |
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| [21:45:00] | Krazylegz: | NightMonkey: Yes and no, since I can then build more easily from SVN maybe? |
| [21:45:00] | Juski: | kahuna_: yeh.. then I tried FC2 & went off linux for a long time |
| [21:45:00] | kahuna_: | Well you could always mask the packages so you don't trip over your source builds |
| [21:45:00] | Krazylegz: | kahuna_: Right, that's not a problem. |
| [21:45:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: Well, but what happens when a "managed" package from Portage just stomps on your hand-compiled and installed stuff? |
| [21:46:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: That is true, however, if you want to use SVN. |
| [21:46:00] | kahuna_: | NightMonkey: one word: package.mask. |
| [21:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Fine, I won't ever emerge world ever again! |
| [21:46:00] | kahuna_: | lol |
| [21:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Problem solved. :-) |
| [21:46:00] | Krazylegz: | Then I would only upgrade ivtv and MythTV once in a while. |
| [21:46:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:46:00] | Juski: | my backend's still on 2004.3 I think |
| [21:46:00] | Beirdo: | or use a distro without "emerge" |
| [21:47:00] | ChanServ sets mode +o Chutt | |
| [21:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, since then I'm not using Portage. |
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| [21:47:00] | ** Krazylegz hides from Chutt ** | |
| [21:47:00] | Beirdo: | portages are for canoing |
| [21:47:00] | Chutt sets mode -b *!*i=me@*pdpc/supporter/student/gloin | |
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| [21:47:00] | Chutt: | you'll behave now? |
| [21:47:00] | Krazylegz: | Oooo, Beirdo-Gentoo hate. |
| [21:48:00] | NightMonkey: | kahuna_: package.mask does work, if you know what files will be installed by your hand-compiled pacakge, and what future ebuilds will install. |
| [21:48:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: very amusing |
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| [21:48:00] | Krazylegz: | laga: Me? |
| [21:48:00] | gloin: | http://pastebin.ca/26087 <--- is the problem. My card is bttv. Playback works fine through mythtv. Any ideas? |
| [21:48:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: no, the crazy canadian |
| [21:48:00] | kahuna_: | I like gentoo only for my myth box. |
| [21:48:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [21:48:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, haha. :-) |
| [21:48:00] | NightMonkey: | kahuna_: In general, I just think that making end-runs around any package management system reduces the advantage of having package management at all. |
| [21:48:00] | kahuna_: | Ubuntu goes on everything else these days |
| [21:48:00] | ** Beirdo gives his gentoo box which runs asterisk the evil eye. NO crashing while I'm in Puerto Rico, you bish! ** | |
| [21:49:00] | NightMonkey: | kahuna_: Not that I haven't done it with Red Hat... |
| [21:49:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: did you buy hardware specifically for asterisk? |
| [21:49:00] | NightMonkey: | kahuna_: ;) |
| [21:49:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: lol, isn't wilma going to be there soon? |
| [21:49:00] | Cagochi: | like that dev card for $200 |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: Puerto Rico is not Cuba, and not Florida, so no |
| [21:49:00] | Krazylegz: | NightMonkey: I guess I'll rephrase my question. Should I use packages for a distro, or use LFS and build MythTV from source? |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | Cagochi: used an old Dell slimline box with Celeron 566 in it |
| [21:50:00] | Krazylegz: | I wonder how anyone is left on Cuba. |
| [21:50:00] | Beirdo: | GX1 slimline |
| [21:50:00] | gloin: | Chutt: I'll settle down, apologies accepted, etc. |
| [21:50:00] | Chutt: | who said anything about an apology? i'm just being nice. |
| [21:50:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: did you see the $200 card they sell for it? The card is 1 station, and 1 extension. |
| [21:50:00] | Cagochi: | specifically for asterisk |
| [21:50:00] | gloin: | heh |
| [21:50:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, hell no, I'm not buying that |
| [21:50:00] | Chutt: | and if you repeat your question again without waiting a few hours, i'll boot you out of here just as fast. |
| [21:51:00] | Beirdo: | I bought two cheap-ass clones |
| [21:51:00] | gloin: | fine. I have it pretty concise, and the question is in the channel... |
| [21:51:00] | Cagochi: | Beirdo: I've been wantin to drop some jing on the nice one... any reason making it better? voice quality wise? |
| [21:51:00] | gloin: | what's frustrating is that you kicked me right as people were starting to help |
| [21:51:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: I'd still use Gentoo... I guess that I'm arguing about how many angels on the head of a pin... If you only want to use what is stable, then go with in-Portage stable releases. But, if bleeding edge is what you want, well, you are free, this is Linux, after all. |
| [21:51:00] | Beirdo: | not much difference |
| [21:51:00] | Chutt: | gloin, of course, you _could_ just run mythtranscode --help |
| [21:51:00] | Chutt: | which i just did |
| [21:51:00] | Chutt: | read the output, etc |
| [21:52:00] | Krazylegz: | There's a release of MythTV that is stable? :-) |
| [21:52:00] | laga: | Krazylegz: nah, that's just urban legends |
| [21:52:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [21:52:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: 0.18.1 works mostly fine for me ;). |
| [21:52:00] | Krazylegz: | Actually, this setup I have on KnoppMyth is working really well for me. |
| [21:52:00] | gloin: | Chutt: if I hadn't done that, I doubt I would have known about the --showprogress option =] |
| [21:53:00] | Chutt: | then you need to learn how to read better |
| [21:53:00] | laga: | i'm going to see if i still have those segfaults with current SVN this weekend |
| [21:53:00] | Chutt: | since you missed a bigass 'REQUIRED' for one of the options. |
| [21:53:00] | Krazylegz: | I think it's MythV 0.18.1 and KnoppMyth R5A16? |
| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | I prefer to use "strings mythtranscode | less" for people who can't read |
| [21:53:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:53:00] | NightMonkey: | Krazylegz: "stable" can be roughly translated as "this group of a dozen or so people haven't had too many crashes or data loss, yet". |
| [21:53:00] | Krazylegz: | Indeed. |
| [21:53:00] | gloin: | hmm... |
| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | omfg |
| [21:54:00] | ** Cardoe smacks Krazylegz ** | |
| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | Don't be retarded. |
| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | emerge -pv mythtv |
| [21:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Doh. |
| [21:54:00] | Krazylegz: | Yes, I'm aware of that one. |
| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | Don't let the obvious bite you in the ass |
| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
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| [21:54:00] | Cardoe: | So where do you get the notion that you have to download something extra? |
| [21:54:00] | kormoc: | I should write a script that masks everything and only unmasks debian stable stuff so people can have stability if they want. |
| [21:54:00] | gloin: | actually |
| [21:55:00] | gloin: | Must specify -i OR -c AND -s options! |
| [21:55:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: I actually thought that you had some of your own ebuilds outside of Portage. |
| [21:55:00] | gloin: | since I'm doing -i, and have tried -p autodetect |
| [21:55:00] | Chutt: | --profile or -p: Takes a profile number or 'autodetect' |
| [21:55:00] | Chutt: | recording profile. REQUIRED |
| [21:55:00] | gloin: | yep |
| [21:55:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: Write a script that punches people in the face over the internet. |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | emerge rude-gesture |
| [21:55:00] | gloin: | just tried it |
| [21:55:00] | Chutt: | wasn't in your pastebin |
| [21:55:00] | gloin: | same output |
| [21:55:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: there are SVN snapshots. |
| [21:56:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I tired that once. after the thrid KO from testing, I gave up |
| [21:56:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: heh |
| [21:56:00] | Chutt: | and you've set up the proper transcoding profiles? |
| [21:56:00] | gloin: | apparently not |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | Well, I'm off. :) |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | ciao |
| [21:56:00] | Chutt: | frontend recording profiles options. |
| [21:57:00] | gloin: | k |
| [21:57:00] | xris: | Beirdo: decided to install ubuntu on my machine at work |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | worth a try |
| [21:57:00] | xris: | I don't build rpm |
| [21:57:00] | xris: | rpm's much here, so it's a good place to try |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [21:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: So, if I wanted to install an SVN snapshot, I could do so from SVN, or use your ebuilds? |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | watch out for that ' key, it's a bitch |
| [21:58:00] | xris: | yeah. annoying |
| [21:58:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: Hi. Am I mistaken to think that there was some idea of integrating mythstreamtv into MythWeb proper? |
| [21:58:00] | xris: | NightMonkey: someday. |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | Well, I have a chiro appointment... so I'm buggering off |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | seeya. |
| [21:58:00] | xris: | no time soon. I'm avoiding computers as much as possible now because of a shoulder injury. |
| [21:58:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: I only have a specific SVN rev available. |
| [21:58:00] | Cardoe: | It works for me |
| [21:58:00] | Juski: | btw just thought you guys might like to know that maxtor 7B300R0 drives are good to 100 degrees C.... |
| [21:58:00] | Cardoe: | you get to keep the pieces if it doesn't |
| [21:58:00] | Juski: | ... for about 12 hours |
| [21:58:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: I'd like to help. What's your top objections to integration currently. |
| [21:58:00] | Cardoe: | and it's only for the plugins I'm currently using. |
| [21:59:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: Oh, sorry, didn't read your injury statement. :( |
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| [21:59:00] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: Thanks for the extra information. What's the URL again? |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, largly the first thing that needs to be done is mythweb needs a bit of a overhaul |
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| [21:59:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [21:59:00] | xris: | what was that? (gaim just freaked out) |
| [21:59:00] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: Which I am willing to help with, once xris gets off his butt. :-) |
| [21:59:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: I should think that perhaps a real modular "plugin" arch would help? |
| [22:00:00] | Cardoe: | Krazylegz: my dev website |
| [22:00:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: actually, it's "on", not "off" |
| [22:00:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, Krazylegz, yeah, it would a bit. |
| [22:00:00] | ** Krazylegz Googles Cardoe ** | |
| [22:00:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Good point. |
| [22:00:00] | Krazylegz: | You still have to find a new minion, don't you? |
| [22:01:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: going to make an offer to a guy soon. |
| [22:01:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Something where a "plugin" directory can be "drop and go", with a spec that specifiys which files and functions must exist in plugin code. And each plugin adds a new menu item on the mythweb nav bar. |
| [22:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Nice. |
| [22:01:00] | laga: | xris: hope your shoulder gets better soon :) |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, that's another minion, thank you vvery much :P |
| [22:01:00] | xris: | laga: me, too.. shoulder and arm hurt. makes it hard to type |
| [22:01:00] | Krazylegz: | Haha, I need to show more respect, sorry. |
| [22:01:00] | xris: | NightMonkey: nav bar is going to get completely rewritten |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, yeah, I think xris is gonna opensource a new toolbar code he wrote for work here, and yeah, that will help a bit |
| [22:02:00] | laga: | xris: repitive strain injury? |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, hehe, tis okay :) |
| [22:02:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: Sorry about your shoulder. :( |
| [22:02:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: Cool. |
| [22:02:00] | Krazylegz: | xris: Want to give me a timeframe? Maybe I can do some hacks in the existing code in the meantime? |
| [22:02:00] | laga: | commercial flagging works awesome on enterprise for me |
| [22:03:00] | xris: | laga: that mixed with a long-term neck problem (each one makes the other worse) |
| [22:03:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: I have recurent neck flare-ups myself, so I sympathize. |
| [22:03:00] | xris: | Krazylegz: no time frame. if you want to help, there are portions of mythweb that can be replaced (video/music), and the search-type recording profiles need to be added. |
| [22:04:00] | gloin: | hmm |
| [22:05:00] | laga: | xris: sounds bad, i hope it doesn't interfere with life much :) |
| [22:06:00] | gloin: | transcoding profiles are set up, but when I use -p autodetect, I get that error. Trying to specify a profile doesn't work, as I don't know where to look for a listing of profiles indexed against their profile numbers. |
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| [22:06:00] | gloin: | and mythtranscode appears to want a profile number =] |
| [22:06:00] | gloin: | I'm just going to guess that it's either zero or one-indexed and try 1 |
| [22:07:00] | gloin: | which works... |
| [22:07:00] | gloin: | ok |
| [22:07:00] | xris: | laga: it's fine while at work (I can tolerate it), and I just stay away from the computer much at home.. it's getting better, though |
| [22:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | select * from recordingprofiles where profilegroup = 6; |
| [22:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | gloin: select * from recordingprofiles where profilegroup = 6; |
| [22:07:00] | gloin: | GreyFoxx: thx |
| [22:07:00] | xris: | gloin: what are you trying to do? |
| [22:07:00] | gloin: | xris: transcode a .nuv file |
| [22:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or select * from profilegroups; to verify that id 6 is your "Transcoders" group; |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | gloin: for what purpose? |
| [22:08:00] | laga: | xris: good to hear ;) |
| [22:08:00] | maniacxs: | hi i have got some frontend crashes (svn) when trying to edit a recording, i think this happens when it was edited before. after the crash the the frontend shows only the length, the recording has when cutted. Filesize is ok. How can i fix this in db? |
| [22:08:00] | gloin: | xris: so it doesn't take up 3 gigs on my store =] |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | gloin: ok, so you don't mind that it stays in nupplevideo format.... |
| [22:08:00] | gloin: | xris: uhh, I'd like it to be xvid |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | gloin: nupplevideo is a container, xvid is a video codec |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | they coexist (though in mythtv, it's divx) |
| [22:09:00] | gloin: | okay |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | but only mythtv can play them |
| [22:09:00] | gloin: | so they'll still be .nuv files? |
| [22:09:00] | gloin: | how do I convert to something more portable? |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | NUV, not just .nuv (thank GOD that's fixed in svn) |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | nuvexport |
| [22:09:00] | gloin: | ahh |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | mythtranscode is *myth* transcode.. internal use only. |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | has nothing to do with exporting. |
| [22:10:00] | gloin: | which will probably work, now that mythtranscode is working |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | well, other than the way that nuuvexport uses it. |
| [22:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | as a frameserver ? |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: exactly |
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| [22:10:00] | hadees: | anyone know any good remotes for mythtv? i am looking for something that is rf but better then my niveus |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | except not really a frameserver, since it's just sequential |
| [22:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | gotcha |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | frameserver would be cool... might help jittery bits in transcode on remote hosts |
| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been VERY pleased with the way I'm doing it now. Better output and much faster |
| [22:12:00] | Juski: | hadees – what's your idea of 'good'? |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: ? |
| [22:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: avisynth+dgindex+virtualdub under windows :) |
| [22:12:00] | gloin: | hmm |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: ahh |
| [22:12:00] | gloin: | nuvexport doesn't seem to like something |
| [22:13:00] | xris: | I just want someone to help me figure out why I can't encode dvb (air2pc) files properly |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | and a 5 line perl script to pull the cutlist from the myth DB and output it as a Trim statement that I drop at the end of my avisynth script |
| [22:13:00] | xris: | I don't know enough about ffmpeg/transcode/whatever to figure out what's wrong so I can upgrade nuvexport |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | xris: dgIndex+avisynth have 0 problems with my mpegts dvb captures |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | everything else had issues |
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| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | And this way I don't have to replex it into a mpegps |
| [22:14:00] | xris: | GreyFoxx: ahh, is that the trick? needs replex? |
| [22:14:00] | xris: | I can deal with replex |
| [22:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, most tools just can't handle a ts, so I was replexing them |
| [22:14:00] | Juski: | oo shit... I need a pastebin |
| [22:14:00] | xris: | well, mythtranscode can play them.. but if I pipe through mythtranscode, I get green color and vsync issues |
| [22:15:00] | laga: | Juski: www.pastebin.ca |
| [22:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | but now I save that step, and I get ~30–45 FPS off my Windows laptop, which beats the pants off my master backend |
| [22:15:00] | gloin: | http://pastebin.ca/26100 <-- nuvexport output. What's interesting about this is that (a) the Default profile for mythtranscode is now known to work. Also, there's a line I couldn't copy-paste because it's refreshing. All it says is "processed: 0 of 107790 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps" |
| [22:16:00] | gloin: | CPU usage is idle |
| [22:16:00] | Juski: | okees... I was emerging mythmusic 0.18.1 and I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/26101 |
| [22:17:00] | gloin: | tried turning off noise reduction in nuvexport, but no change other than the error going away |
| [22:18:00] | gloin: | ahh, got it |
| [22:18:00] | gloin: | for some reason mythtranscode -p autodetect isn't working, and nuvexport uses that profile call |
| [22:19:00] | ** GreyFoxx looks at the clock and runs for the door ** | |
| [22:22:00] | xris: | gloin: recent version of mythtv? |
| [22:22:00] | gloin: | xris: yes. Compiled this week from svn |
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| [22:23:00] | ** gloin is looking around /usr/local/share/nuvexport for the file to edit as a dirty hack to make nuvexport specify profile 1 ** | |
| [22:24:00] | xris: | should be export/general.php |
| [22:24:00] | xris: | er, pl |
| [22:24:00] | gloin: | heh, was wondering |
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| [22:25:00] | gloin: | hrm |
| [22:25:00] | gloin: | no |
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| [22:26:00] | xris: | ahh, it's in each of the ffmpeg/transcode/mencoder.pl files |
| [22:26:00] | Juski: | this is strange.. I just emerged it (mythmusic) last week & it worked.. have since unmerged it & put SVN mythtv on.. and since have removed that |
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| [22:27:00] | gloin: | xris: mencoder? |
| [22:27:00] | gloin: | wow |
| [22:27:00] | gloin: | oh wait |
| [22:27:00] | gloin: | I thought that was a path =] |
| [22:27:00] | gloin: | rather than directories |
| [22:27:00] | xris: | gloin: there is one mencoder-based exporter (I've never gotten it to work, but they tell me it does) |
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| [22:32:00] | gloin: | well, that's interesting |
| [22:32:00] | gloin: | ffmpeg died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong. |
| [22:32:00] | gloin: | ffmpeg died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong. |
| [22:32:00] | gloin: | oops |
| [22:32:00] | gloin: | sorry for double-paste |
| [22:34:00] | gloin: | yeah |
| [22:34:00] | gloin: | hrm |
| [22:35:00] | gloin: | looks like google's got my back on this one |
| [22:35:00] | gloin: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ticket/24 |
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| [22:37:00] | NightMonkey: | heh |
| [22:37:00] | xris: | gloin: yeah, just saw that one today (need to find out why trac stopped emailing me with ticket info) |
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| [22:38:00] | hadees: | Juski, well the nivues is great but it needs more buttons |
| [22:38:00] | gloin: | dang |
| [22:38:00] | gloin: | didn't seem to fix it |
| [22:38:00] | xris: | my remote has tons of buttons.. and is rf |
| [22:38:00] | xris: | but you won't want it. |
| [22:39:00] | gloin: | let me see if I can find the other calls that way |
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| [22:39:00] | hadees: | xris, why wouldn't i want it? |
| [22:39:00] | xris: | because it's a logitech cordless elite keyboard. |
| [22:39:00] | hadees: | xris, does it have the mouse built in? |
| [22:39:00] | xris: | no |
| [22:40:00] | hadees: | i am also looking for a keyboard to use with myth |
| [22:40:00] | Krazylegz: | I have a nice PS2 one here. |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | I like the logitech ones.. though not their new ones. |
| [22:40:00] | Krazylegz: | It's from 1994. SGI Indy keyboard. |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | but it seems that everyone these days is flipping the "insert/delete" block of keys vertically and removing insert. |
| [22:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Heh. http://moon.google.com/ |
| [22:42:00] | Juski: | hmm just downloaded the source for the mythplugins & I get the same error.. maybe I'm missing a library or something |
| [22:42:00] | Juski: | though the ebuild shoulda picked that up :/ |
| [22:43:00] | xris: | NightMonkey: zoom all the way in |
| [22:44:00] | Juski: | this looks familiar: http://pastebin.ca/26106 – does it look familiar to anyone here? |
| [22:45:00] | Juski: | I think this is related to the problem I was having when I tried to compile mythtv-0.18.1 with the original dbox2 patch posted to the dev mailing list |
| [22:46:00] | Juski: | only this is vanilla code.. it's got me stumped |
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| [22:51:00] | Juski: | this would complain already if it was missing a header file wouldn't it? |
| [22:52:00] | NightMonkey: | xris: Yeah, so cheezy. |
| [22:54:00] | Juski: | ah! |
| [22:54:00] | Juski: | it's gonna complain about not being able to find an lcd function.. cos I don't have one |
| [22:55:00] | Juski: | eh? there's no option to disable the lcd build option |
| [22:56:00] | gloin: | Juski: try editing the makefile? |
| [22:56:00] | Juski: | it shouldn't need editing in an ebuild |
| [22:56:00] | gloin: | ahh |
| [22:56:00] | Juski: | ahh hang on I'll try putting -lcd in my make.conf USE flags |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | or whatever the ebuild looks for |
| [22:57:00] | gloin: | well, I gave up on the ffmpeg problem |
| [22:57:00] | laga: | Juski: emerge -pv to find out about the use flags |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [22:57:00] | gloin: | nuvexport --transcode seems to work well |
| [22:58:00] | gloin: | xvid only, but I can manage with that |
| [22:58:00] | Juski: | doesn't seem to be anything lcd related in the use flags for mythmusic |
| [22:58:00] | laga: | maybe for mythtv |
| [22:59:00] | Juski: | daaaaaaaa! |
| [22:59:00] | Juski: | ebuilds musta changed.. never had this issue before |
| [22:59:00] | gloin: | heh |
| [23:00:00] | NightMonkey: | Juski: Remeber that if you change USE flags, you should do a "emerge -pNuD world" to see what needs to be rebuilt. |
| [23:00:00] | opello: | can't just do emerge --newuse? |
| [23:00:00] | opello: | or is N the short for that? |
| [23:00:00] | NightMonkey: | opello: You got it. |
| [23:01:00] | Juski: | can't it just read my mind instead? lol |
| [23:01:00] | kormoc: | I don't think -D is needed |
| [23:01:00] | Juski: | NightMonkey.. I didn't change my USE flags |
| [23:02:00] | kormoc: | -u is likly not needed as well |
| [23:02:00] | Juski: | it emerged last week just fine |
| [23:02:00] | NightMonkey: | Juski: OK. |
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| [23:02:00] | Juski: | aanyway I have a feeling that's gonna solve it |
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| [23:03:00] | NightMonkey: | kormoc: emerge -pNv doesn't give me the same list of packages. |
| [23:04:00] | Juski: | I really think I'm gonna use a binary based distro next time round |
| [23:04:00] | kormoc: | -D only deals with depends, if a use flag got changed, it should calculate it's own deps without it |
| [23:04:00] | mchou: | Juski: haha!! |
| [23:04:00] | mchou: | Juski: that's what I keep on telling clueless gentoo users |
| [23:04:00] | kormoc: | -u is update, you should just emerge -u world before reemerging just the changed useflags. |
| [23:04:00] | NightMonkey: | mchou: Troll. |
| [23:04:00] | Juski: | it's not that I'm clueless.. I just can't be arsed |
| [23:05:00] | mchou: | Juski: exactly |
| [23:05:00] | mchou: | NightMonkey: and you're a fish |
| [23:05:00] | ** gloin won't ever talk to NightMonkey again, thanks. ** | |
| [23:05:00] | gloin: | =P |
| [23:06:00] | NightMonkey: | Cool. |
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| [23:08:00] | Cagochi: | Hey guys... earlier Cardoe gave me a link to mythtv-0.19_pre7501.ebuild... there was also a mythweb-0.19 there.... I'm on gentoo and all the rest of the myth ebuilds... mythweather, mythtv-themes mythvideo, mythphone, mythnews, mythmusic, mythgame, mythgallery, mythdvd and mythbrowser are version 18.1............. Does that mean I just get to use mythTV & mythWeb if I upgrade? Or will old versions of the rest of the plugins w |
| [23:08:00] | Cagochi: | ork? |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | all needs to be svn |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | but look for an svn ebuild of mythplugins |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | maybe they combined them |
| [23:09:00] | Juski: | yeh anything that needs to access the database (which is like everything).. needs to be the same DB schema as mythtv |
| [23:09:00] | Cagochi: | So maybe do the ebuilds for mythTV and mythWeb... and build the rest from source myself? |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | ebuilds are from source |
| [23:10:00] | Cagochi: | ebuilds are from source automatically. |
| [23:10:00] | Cagochi: | svn from source I gotta do by hand, by myself. |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | or use the svn ebuilds |
| [23:11:00] | Cagochi: | kormoc: does a set of them exist in gentoo proper? cause even at Cardoe's site I just see mythweb and mythtv http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv/ Maybe there's another developer doin the svn-ebuilds? |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | no, Cardoe's the man |
| [23:12:00] | NightMonkey: | Cagochi: Doubt it. He's the Man for MythTV in Gentoo. |
| [23:12:00] | Cagochi: | tru |
| [23:12:00] | NightMonkey: | jinx |
| [23:12:00] | laga: | Cagochi: search the -dev ml |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | the mythtv might build the plugins? |
| [23:12:00] | Cagochi: | that would be cool |
| [23:12:00] | Cagochi: | I can give it a shot to see |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | up, no it doesn't |
| [23:13:00] | Cagochi: | or... maybe not. |
| [23:13:00] | Cardoe (n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) Quit ("Leaving") | |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | and he's running away from the thought of svn mythplugins! |
| [23:14:00] | Cagochi: | geez... I stopped getting my myth ml messages on the 3rd of october... I bet it filled up the mailbox again..... |
| [23:14:00] | NightMonkey: | Cagochi: http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv-users |
| [23:14:00] | Cagochi: | is the dev ml there too? |
| [23:14:00] | __johnp: | Juski, just checked my 0.18.1 checkout and I see no `outputText' |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | Cagochi, gmail |
| [23:14:00] | Cagochi: | k |
| [23:15:00] | NightMonkey: | Cagochi: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/ |
| [23:15:00] | NightMonkey: | Cagochi: Sorry, my previous URL was bad. |
| [23:15:00] | Juski: | __johnp: like here: http://pastebin.ca/26106 |
| [23:15:00] | Juski: | put -lcd in your USE flags |
| [23:16:00] | Pandemic-SuperVa: | I am using a old ATI Tv wonder |
| [23:16:00] | Juski: | then emerge mythtv again |
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| [23:17:00] | NightMonkey: | __johnp: I'd say do a "emerge -ND mythtv", to recompile dependencies that use the changed USE flags, but that's just me. |
| [23:18:00] | Pandemic-SuperVa: | Compiled and are running btaudio, and if I 'sox -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp' and it plays the tv audio from the tuner, but if I set mythtv-setup to capture from /dev/dsp2 if doesn't... |
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| [23:18:00] | __johnp: | apologies, came in half way though, I clearly lost the thread. |
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| [23:19:00] | SuperValk`: | Compiled and are running btaudio, and if I 'sox -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp' and it plays the tv audio from the tuner, but if I set mythtv-setup to capture from /dev/dsp2 if doesn't... |
| [23:20:00] | Juski: | I dunno if that use flag fixed it yet.. still compiling mythtv |
| [23:21:00] | Juski: | could gentoo not tell you by default what use flags are called into play when you do -p rather than what it does now? |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | emerge -pv package |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | red flags are default on |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | green flags are on via use flags |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | ones with * are newer then the last emerge |
| [23:22:00] | Juski: | maybe /me should have read all the gentoo docs, not just the noob ones |
| [23:24:00] | gloin: | err |
| [23:24:00] | gloin: | there's this website about gentoo... |
| [23:24:00] | gloin: | can't really remember the link |
| [23:24:00] | Juski: | yeah yeah I remember seeing that... |
| [23:24:00] | Juski: | there are pros & cons to every distro |
| [23:25:00] | gloin: | heh |
| [23:25:00] | Juski: | I honestly think that if people spent less time comparing dicks.. I mean distros, Linux would streets ahead |
| [23:26:00] | Juski: | *would be |
| [23:26:00] | Juski: | or are 'they' misrepresented? |
| [23:27:00] | Juski: | anyway.. it kinda works for me, so I'm sticking with |
| [23:28:00] | ** gloin once had lilo flame him for like fifteen minutes in #freenode over this subject, and then he switched to pmsg after gloin left the channel. Fortunately, it's all sorted now. ** | |
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| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | Juski, nah, you see, people just do what they want and well, it's bound to happen. People who don't really have anything better to do are the ones that tend to flame over distros |
| [23:34:00] | Juski: | well.. this emerge **seems** to be behaving itself |
| [23:36:00] | gloin: | actually, there's nothing wrong with friendly ribbing, which is different from a flame. |
| [23:36:00] | gloin: | this happens to be one of my favorite examples of a bit of both: |
| [23:37:00] | gloin: | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 |
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| [23:37:00] | gloin: | note the reporter's name |
| [23:38:00] | icedutah: | On Mythdvd RIP, how can you make it rip dvd's to a file size of 4.7 so I can fit them on a standard DVD-R? I don't care about menus. |
| [23:38:00] | icedutah: | It only gives options of "Perfect" "Low" etc... |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | it's not a dvd copy program. |
| [23:39:00] | Juski: | gloin: chuckle |
| [23:39:00] | icedutah: | Chutt: After it rips then I would like to use a burning program to copy. |
| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | too bad. |
| [23:39:00] | gloin: | icedutah: there are some programs for reducing VIDEO_TS directories to 4.7 gigs... |
| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | it's not a dvd copying program. |
| [23:39:00] | gloin: | out of curiosity, what is mythdvd rip for? |
| [23:40:00] | icedutah: | gloin: What programs |
| [23:40:00] | Chutt: | so you can play things on your myth box without having to go find the dvd |
| [23:40:00] | Chutt: | icedutah, find another channel if you want to talk about copying dvds. |
| [23:40:00] | gloin: | Juski: yeah. It's good for laughs... the founder of gaim reporting that, which was arguably a troll, but then the replies apparently were from people who'd missed the obvious sarcasm bit |
| [23:41:00] | gloin: | Chutt: ahh, ok. |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | keeping it legal :) |
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| [23:48:00] | Cagochi: | Does anybody here know why joining #lame requires a keyword? |
| [23:49:00] | NightMonkey: | 0_o |
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| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | cause someone who owns the channel set it that way |
| [23:50:00] | gloin: | probably bot floods |
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