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| [00:00:00] | BadBoy: | whats this channel for? |
| [00:00:00] | BadBoy: | whats this channel for? |
| [00:00:00] | BadBoy: | hello? |
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| [00:01:00] | laga: | o_O |
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| [00:17:00] | nuongu1: | I can't seem to find any confirmation that ivtv works with x86_64 so I guess I'll install i386 again and start all over.... |
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| [00:39:00] | nmorse: | I don't suppose there is any good way to get rid of prebuffering pauses is there? |
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| [00:43:00] | kazan: | hey guys |
| [00:44:00] | kazan: | xris you there bro |
| [00:46:00] | kazan: | beirdo? |
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| [00:53:00] | ** kazan grumbles ** | |
| [00:53:00] | nmorse: | No way at all to get rid of these prebuffering pauses I seem to get about every 1/2 second? |
| [00:54:00] | kazan: | make sure DMA is turned on? |
| [00:54:00] | kazan: | what's your processor speed |
| [00:54:00] | nmorse: | Athlon XP 2500+ |
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| [00:54:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [00:54:00] | kazan: | check DMA |
| [00:55:00] | nmorse: | What would be the most expedient way to do that? |
| [00:55:00] | moo: | guys |
| [00:55:00] | moo: | any idea why i cant get my mythtv-setup to scan for channels |
| [00:55:00] | kazan: | do your channels work in tvtime? |
| [00:55:00] | moo: | keep tabbing thru the options but i cant seem to select the button |
| [00:55:00] | moo: | umm i duno what that is, i only just managed to get mythtv compiled |
| [00:56:00] | moo: | when i go to watch tv i get standard static from the card since it's not tuned – and i cant seem to get mythtv to scan for channels :s |
| [00:56:00] | kazan: | what distro are you using |
| [00:56:00] | kazan: | and what is the type of card |
| [00:56:00] | moo: | debian testing |
| [00:57:00] | moo: | just a standard crappy wintv pci |
| [00:57:00] | kazan: | apt-get tvtime and get your card working in tvtime |
| [00:57:00] | moo: | ok ty |
| [00:57:00] | kazan: | you're bttv module options in modprobe.conf probably need to be setup for your wintv pci |
| [00:57:00] | kazan: | google for "win tv pci linux" or something like that |
| [00:57:00] | moo: | yeah thats all set up |
| [00:57:00] | kazan: | inability to tune is generally the tuner settings are wrong |
| [00:58:00] | moo: | i did that, took ages to get it working but its working now – i am getting at least static from the card |
| [00:58:00] | kazan: | i'm playing with a tuner in my desktop right now |
| [00:58:00] | moo: | it wasnt recognised at all bfore |
| [00:58:00] | kazan: | i had to set about 5 module parameters in modprobe.conf before my card would tune |
| [00:58:00] | moo: | ah right |
| [00:58:00] | DarkBeer: | what version of xmame works with mythtv/mythgame .18.1? I have xmame .99 installed and when I select it, it tells me this version isn't supported? |
| [00:58:00] | moo: | well i manged to get mine to autodetect at startup |
| [00:59:00] | kazan: | i need to figure out how to tweak it though.. i'm getting some artificats in the signal that i don't under windows (I <3 swapdrives) |
| [00:59:00] | moo: | but i duno about settings, will look into it |
| [00:59:00] | kazan: | DarkBeer: dunno dark |
| [00:59:00] | moo: | but the thing was i couldnt actually tab onto the scan buttons |
| [00:59:00] | moo: | in setup |
| [00:59:00] | amias: | me either |
| [00:59:00] | amias: | same with the advanced tab |
| [01:00:00] | kazan: | are you using an svn build? |
| [01:00:00] | kazan: | could be a bug in bleeding edge builds |
| [01:00:00] | amias: | ubutnu breezy |
| [01:00:00] | moo: | svn? |
| [01:00:00] | kazan: | holy hell 72 packages to install for "yum install mythtv-suite" |
| [01:00:00] | kazan: | svn is like cvs |
| [01:00:00] | moo: | oh, of mythtv or distro? |
| [01:00:00] | kazan: | it's the code repository system myth uses |
| [01:01:00] | kazan: | of mythtv |
| [01:01:00] | kazan: | are you using a bleeding edge build |
| [01:01:00] | moo: | just using the latest on apt-get install mythtv |
| [01:01:00] | kazan: | amias: i've run ubuntu for about five minutes, before it make me ralf.. didn't like it much |
| [01:01:00] | ** kazan is a fedora guy, so when he answers questions about debian-based systems his taking educated guesses ** | |
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| [01:01:00] | amias: | kazan, shame , i really like it |
| [01:01:00] | kazan: | i don't |
| [01:01:00] | kazan: | i'm a KDE guy |
| [01:02:00] | kazan: | and i didn't like kubuntu.. just didn't feel right |
| [01:02:00] | moo: | oh also a minor thing but mabye u kno something about it, i cant seem to get mythtv frontend to run without the x-windows window titlebar at the top of it (pushing the bottom offscreen) i saw theres an option in setup to run with or without the window bar but it makes no diff if i turn it on or off it always runs with it |
| [01:02:00] | kazan: | in the office two of us run fedora, we got a ubuntu guy (The director of development) a gentoo guy and our chick programmer runes mandrake (*ralf*) |
| [01:03:00] | nmorse: | Kubuntu has a funny KDE for sure. |
| [01:03:00] | amias: | kazan, when i watch tv it stutters , is that normal ? |
| [01:03:00] | kazan: | moo: dunno bro.. i haven't finished my first myth install so i can only answer questions that i've seen the answers to in the docs and in the mailing list |
| [01:03:00] | nmorse: | But I ran Red Hat 8 & 9 and if Fedora is like them I want nothing to do with it. |
| [01:03:00] | kazan: | amias: inside mythtv, or using tvtime |
| [01:03:00] | amias: | inside mythtv , tvtime is fine |
| [01:03:00] | kazan: | nmorse: fedora >>>>> red hat^10 |
| [01:04:00] | kazan: | amias: i assume it's buffering to disk for time shifting, sounds like a harddrive performance issue |
| [01:04:00] | nmorse: | I didn't like Red Hat, ever. |
| [01:04:00] | kazan: | nmorse: like i said – fedora is better than redhat to the tenth power |
| [01:04:00] | nmorse: | And apt is debian's greatest feature, ever. |
| [01:04:00] | kazan: | you can use apt on fedora |
| [01:04:00] | nmorse: | You need good repos too. |
| [01:04:00] | nmorse: | Which I never found. |
| [01:05:00] | kazan: | fedorafaq's repos |
| [01:05:00] | kazan: | livna and atrpms |
| [01:05:00] | nmorse: | And yum makes me sick as a package management tool, much like urpmi. |
| [01:05:00] | kazan: | the customized version of apt uses yum's repos |
| [01:05:00] | kazan: | and yes apt is superior – i just haven't got around to bothering to install the package |
| [01:06:00] | kazan: | i have fedora release 4, fedora updates 4, livna and atprms configured |
| [01:06:00] | kazan: | (repositories, first two are the defaults) |
| [01:06:00] | moo: | i may swap to fedora for this tv box, i was recomended debian but it seems to be so painful getting mythtv to work on it |
| [01:06:00] | amias: | kazan: its udma5 |
| [01:06:00] | kazan: | nmorse: mythTV builds are in the atrpms repository – to install (but not configure) it's |
| [01:07:00] | kazan: | "yum install mythtv-suite" |
| [01:07:00] | kazan: | amias: weird |
| [01:07:00] | kazan: | amias: what else is running |
| [01:07:00] | nmorse: | If I end up switching distros just to get mythtv working, it will be to myth-knoppix. |
| [01:07:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | amias, you get a puase when changing channels? |
| [01:07:00] | amias: | a few browsers windows , 10% load |
| [01:07:00] | amias: | yes |
| [01:07:00] | nmorse: | I've heard it makes it insanely easy to do. |
| [01:07:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | that is normal |
| [01:07:00] | moo: | i cant even find modprobe.conf :/ |
| [01:08:00] | amias: | Nicetomeetyou, so you have a theory ? |
| [01:08:00] | kazan: | oh.. amias is this only when you change channels? |
| [01:08:00] | kazan: | not like every so often it pauses? |
| [01:08:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | well, with my card, a pvr-250, it is like that in linux and in windows |
| [01:08:00] | amias: | no all the time its sturrey |
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| [01:09:00] | kazan: | Nicetomeetyou: that's tuner lag, he's got a perofmrance issue |
| [01:09:00] | amias: | i have 1.1 ghz althon processor 500MB of ram |
| [01:09:00] | kazan: | amias: hrm... |
| [01:09:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | i just asked him above if it is when changing channels and he said yes |
| [01:09:00] | kazan: | 512mb ram.. what's your tuner |
| [01:09:00] | amias: | miro pctv |
| [01:09:00] | kazan: | Nicetomeetyou: he just said it's stuttery all the time |
| [01:09:00] | kazan: | amias: not familiar with it, bttv based? |
| [01:10:00] | amias: | yep , bt848 |
| [01:10:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | are you encoding to like mjpeg? |
| [01:10:00] | kazan: | he's got enough processor |
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| [01:10:00] | amias: | no just want to watch tv with it for now |
| [01:10:00] | kazan: | it's not a processor issue |
| [01:10:00] | kazan: | it sounds like it's a harddrive issue |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | /dev/hda: |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | multcount = 0 (off) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | IO_support = 1 (32-bit) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | unmaskirq = 1 (on) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | keepsettings = 0 (off) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | readonly = 0 (off) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | readahead = 256 (on) |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 240121728, start = 0 |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | root@home:/var/cache/apt/archives # hdparm -Tt /dev/hda |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | /dev/hda: |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | Timing cached reads: 484 MB in 2.00 seconds = 241.43 MB/sec |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | Timing buffered disk reads: 74 MB in 3.02 seconds = 24.49 MB/sec |
| [01:11:00] | kazan: | hmm |
| [01:11:00] | nmorse: | Pastebin.ca was called for right there. |
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| [01:11:00] | kazan: | how much size is an hour of recording |
| [01:11:00] | amias: | oh sorry i didn't notice you had a pastebin |
| [01:11:00] | kazan: | aye.. pastes should be in pastebin |
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| [01:12:00] | kazan: | lemme check my perofmrance |
| [01:12:00] | nmorse: | Is there any way to fix the fact that my video lags behind my audio? |
| [01:12:00] | nmorse: | I could even deal with frame skipping if that worked. |
| [01:12:00] | kazan: | nmorse: now that sucks.. and i dunno the answer |
| [01:14:00] | kazan: | amias: our harddrive perofmrance is similiar |
| [01:14:00] | kazan: | so i dunno what's up |
| [01:14:00] | kazan: | i guess i'll have to refer you to the mailing list |
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| [01:28:00] | nmorse: | What's odd is that the gap between sound and video grows the longer I watch it. |
| [01:28:00] | nmorse: | Shortly I'll test if it happens with recorded shows too. |
| [01:29:00] | nmorse: | As in when it's done recording the first show. |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | nmorse |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | exactly the same with me |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | just got my tuning working |
| [01:31:00] | nmorse: | I really wish I knew what was going on with that. |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | and audio gets further and further out of sync with video |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | the longer i watch |
| [01:31:00] | nmorse: | Yep. |
| [01:31:00] | moo: | ah well im getting a dvb card soon so mabye it will b ok with that |
| [01:31:00] | nmorse: | I'm wondering if it's going to be like that on all of my recorded shows too? |
| [01:32:00] | nmorse: | Because, if so, I'm going to have a problem. |
| [01:32:00] | moo: | well i have to say this is my first time trying to get mythtv to work and im really not impressed ;/ |
| [01:32:00] | nmorse: | I may have to try and do some kind of direct capture and encode. |
| [01:32:00] | nmorse: | Maybe shell scripts and mencoder. |
| [01:36:00] | ** kazan sighs at his IR device ** | |
| [01:38:00] | nmorse: | I wonder if setting a huge fast forward and rewind buffer would help. |
| [01:38:00] | nmorse: | Then I could rewind about 5 minutes and start playing. |
| [01:38:00] | nmorse: | Hopefully that would sync the audio and video. |
| [01:42:00] | kazan: | ugh |
| [01:42:00] | kazan: | oh... |
| [01:42:00] | kazan: | debug is on |
| [01:44:00] | kazan: | w00t |
| [01:44:00] | kazan: | got the input from my remote working |
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| [01:49:00] | jemarcks: | Is anybody using a IR keyboard with mythtv? |
| [01:51:00] | Agrajag-: | i have a ir remote that identifies itself as a usb keyboard |
| [01:51:00] | moo: | funily enough |
| [01:51:00] | jemarcks: | heh |
| [01:51:00] | moo: | remote was so easy to get working |
| [01:52:00] | moo: | its just myth tv that is taking days |
| [01:52:00] | jemarcks: | I want to get a IR keyboard and remote for the liveing room htpc |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | nice :D |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | bleh.. where is the "DataDirect" website |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | cannot find it in the doc |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | docs* |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | oh.. zap2it |
| [01:53:00] | kazan: | there we go :D |
| [01:53:00] | jemarcks: | yup |
| [01:55:00] | kazan: | oh fack |
| [01:55:00] | kazan: | rita stalled |
| [01:55:00] | kazan: | it's just sitting there raining |
| [01:56:00] | kazan: | there have been 18 tornado warnings and 10 confirmed on the ground in the last few hours |
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| [01:56:00] | nothingman: | hi, all |
| [01:56:00] | nothingman: | I'm wondering what to do if I can't log into my mythtv mysql database |
| [02:00:00] | amias: | thanks gnight |
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| [02:02:00] | nothingman: | thanks, all |
| [02:02:00] | kazan: | "your subscription expires on 12/24/2005" (zap2it) .. so after that do we have to pay? |
| [02:03:00] | Chutt: | read the docs |
| [02:03:00] | kazan: | yeah i did.. the part on registering didn't say anything about expiration |
| [02:03:00] | Chutt: | The service is available free of charge by periodically filling in surveys similar to the one presented during registration, and the data provider has no intention of charging for it in the future. |
| [02:03:00] | Chutt: | sure it did. |
| [02:04:00] | Chutt: | section 5.3, last bullet point. |
| [02:04:00] | kazan: | gotcha |
| [02:04:00] | kazan: | overlooked it |
| [02:04:00] | Chutt: | you seem to do that quite often. |
| [02:04:00] | kazan: | get over it |
| [02:04:00] | Chutt: | why? |
| [02:04:00] | kazan: | i don't antagonize you constantly |
| [02:04:00] | Chutt: | yes, you do |
| [02:05:00] | Chutt: | you're constantly talking about stupid shit in here |
| [02:05:00] | kazan: | right sure – Item A is stupid because you didn't believe it, Item B is stupid because i stated that "i heard" but i wouldn't stand by it's veracity [ie i didn't 100% trust the source] |
| [02:06:00] | kazan: | Item B was false, not a big suprise to me |
| [02:06:00] | Chutt: | and this isn't the weather channel, either. |
| [02:06:00] | kazan: | Item A you simply won't accept the validity of the statement because "we couldn't find mention of it in the blogosphere" |
| [02:06:00] | Chutt: | no, i don't accept the validity of it simply because it's coming from you |
| [02:06:00] | kazan: | well the signal/noise ratio of the blogosphere is about 0 – all noise, no signal |
| [02:06:00] | kazan: | argumentum ad hominem |
| [02:06:00] | Chutt: | damn straight |
| [02:06:00] | kazan: | welcome to first grade |
| [02:07:00] | Chutt: | hey, you're the one who can't read |
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| [02:07:00] | kazan: | no, i was speed reading |
| [02:07:00] | kazan: | sorry i jumped a line |
| [02:07:00] | Chutt: | then you don't know how to speed read. |
| [02:07:00] | kazan: | mythfilldatabase done.. back to working on setting up myth |
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| [02:11:00] | nothingman: | hi |
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| [02:13:00] | kazan: | hey chutt gotta question for you |
| [02:13:00] | kazan: | where in the docs is the info on how to tell myth what audio input device to use for a tuner (i'm using a bt878 that has the audio redirected via cabling to line in on my emu10k1) |
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| [02:15:00] | Chutt: | it's not, since it's pretty obvious when you run the setup program. |
| [02:15:00] | nothingman: | can anyone here tell me what's wrong with my permissions to my mysql database? |
| [02:15:00] | nothingman: | ERROR 1044: Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mythtv' |
| [02:16:00] | opello: | you're not passing in a username |
| [02:16:00] | kazan: | Chutt: aye i noticed it had nothing in there for that... i was like "Wtfh" |
| [02:16:00] | Chutt: | unless you speed read over the 'audio device' setting. |
| [02:16:00] | Chutt: | i guarantee you that it's there. |
| [02:17:00] | nothingman: | OK, opello, so what do I do differently? |
| [02:17:00] | opello: | what are you doing right now to get that error? |
| [02:18:00] | nothingman: | sudo mysql -u root mythtv |
| [02:18:00] | nothingman: | it was a long time ago that I first tried setting my mythtv |
| [02:18:00] | opello: | the database by default is called mythconverg |
| [02:19:00] | opello: | try: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [02:19:00] | kazan: | i'm looking at it right now chutt.. and it has you setup your stinking audio in kde |
| [02:19:00] | kazan: | wouldn't that case problems with people who have multiple tuners |
| [02:19:00] | kazan: | cause* |
| [02:20:00] | Chutt: | uh, why? |
| [02:20:00] | nothingman: | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| [02:20:00] | opello: | nonstandard setup i guess i don't know what to do |
| [02:20:00] | kazan: | because the audio would be coming in on different devices....... |
| [02:21:00] | Chutt: | and you think that gui mixer programs can't handle different devices? |
| [02:21:00] | kazan: | and you call me stupid? |
| [02:21:00] | kazan: | listen carefully |
| [02:21:00] | kazan: | Person A has two bt878 capture cards and two sound cards, each BT878 has an audio line going to a sound card |
| [02:21:00] | ** opello snickers expectantly ** | |
| [02:22:00] | kazan: | if you setup the audio via kmix, how exactly is mythtv going to know which card is associated with which line in |
| [02:22:00] | Chutt: | becauswe you tell it to in the mythtv-setup program? |
| [02:22:00] | Chutt: | under the 'audio device' setting in the capture card config? |
| [02:22:00] | nothingman: | so what can I do to start over with my mysql database? |
| [02:23:00] | Chutt: | i don't see the problem here. |
| [02:24:00] | opello: | nothingman: you can redownload the package, and grab the initializing .sql file, drop the current db, and use the script to populate the new one |
| [02:24:00] | opello: | or if you still have it, just run it |
| [02:24:00] | opello: | (mysql -u root -p < foo.sql) |
| [02:24:00] | xris: | um, myth should create the database on its own |
| [02:25:00] | opello: | oh, if it's not there on the first run it'll just do it? |
| [02:25:00] | xris: | it should, yes |
| [02:25:00] | opello: | cool, didn't know that |
| [02:25:00] | xris: | nothingman: drop database mythconverg |
| [02:26:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't create it |
| [02:26:00] | Chutt: | or set permissions |
| [02:26:00] | xris: | ah |
| [02:26:00] | xris: | should add that to the first-run code.. prompt for mysql root pw, etc. |
| [02:26:00] | xris: | anyway, next: create database mythconverg |
| [02:27:00] | xris: | grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv'; |
| [02:27:00] | xris: | sorry, missed a couple of ; in there on the first two |
| [02:28:00] | opello: | heh, redownload and run the .sql file would have been 'easier' |
| [02:29:00] | nothingman: | where am I typing 'drop database mythconverg'? |
| [02:29:00] | kazan: | now to get myth working with lirc |
| [02:29:00] | xris: | nothingman: into the mysql client on the console |
| [02:29:00] | xris: | guess you could do it all in phpmyadmin, too.. but I don't know how to use the gui stuff. |
| [02:29:00] | nothingman: | it just gives me a ' ->' prompt |
| [02:30:00] | xris: | you forgot the ; |
| [02:31:00] | kazan: | meh |
| [02:31:00] | kazan: | i followed the instructions.. so why the hell am i getting CheckChannel failed |
| [02:32:00] | nothingman: | OK, now trying it with the semicolon I still get "Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mythconverg' |
| [02:32:00] | xris: | you need to connect to mysql as root: mysql -u root -p |
| [02:32:00] | xris: | then type all of that stuff, ending each command with a ; |
| [02:33:00] | xris: | afk for a bit.... |
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| [02:35:00] | kazan: | ok... i'm in the channel editor.. all my channels are listed... but i cannot "scan for channels".. if all my channels are listed is it fine? |
| [02:36:00] | Chutt: | of course. |
| [02:36:00] | kazan: | hrm |
| [02:36:00] | kazan: | then wtfh is going on |
| [02:36:00] | Chutt: | of course, that indicates that you're still not reading: |
| [02:36:00] | Chutt: | The channel editor is used to globally alter channel information, including items like hue, contrast, fine tuning and others. Users in North America shouldn't run the channel editor until after completing initial setup and running mythfilldatabase at least once to populate the database. |
| [02:36:00] | kazan: | Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. please veriy channel "..." in "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [02:37:00] | kazan: | i already ran mythfilldatabase |
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| [02:45:00] | kazan: | wtfh |
| [02:46:00] | kazan: | ok channels show up in mythweb |
| [02:46:00] | kazan: | in the channel editor |
| [02:46:00] | kazan: | work in tvtime |
| [02:47:00] | kazan: | but i get all those checkchannel failures |
| [02:47:00] | guitar256: | how do i find out if in fact my nvidia drivers got loaded? |
| [02:47:00] | geoff: | lsmod |grep nvidia |
| [02:48:00] | guitar256: | it returned 'nvidia some-numbers' |
| [02:48:00] | geoff: | then the kernel mod is loaded |
| [02:48:00] | geoff: | when you start x, you should get the nvidia splash screen |
| [02:48:00] | guitar256: | k, thanx |
| [02:48:00] | ** kazan sighs ** | |
| [02:48:00] | geoff: | unless you have it set not to |
| [02:48:00] | guitar256: | yea, i forgot to look, didn't wanna reboot |
| [02:49:00] | geoff: | you're welcome |
| [02:49:00] | kazan: | ok... something about the frequency of the channel isn't in the database |
| [02:49:00] | kazan: | (from what i find on the internet) |
| [02:50:00] | kazan: | but i cannot "scan for channels" in mythtv-setup even though i have all the channels populated into the list from DataDirect |
| [02:51:00] | geoff: | kazan: what happens when you try? |
| [02:51:00] | kazan: | it doesn't let me select the button "scan for channels" |
| [02:52:00] | geoff: | do you have the source set to a tuner? |
| [02:52:00] | kazan: | i think so |
| [02:52:00] | kazan: | lemme double check |
| [02:53:00] | kazan: | what submenu is that geof |
| [02:53:00] | kazan: | capture cards? |
| [02:53:00] | kazan: | it's set to television |
| [02:53:00] | kazan: | input connections v4l: /dev/video0 (television) -> cable |
| [02:54:00] | geoff: | input connections |
| [02:54:00] | geoff: | I don't kinow |
| [02:54:00] | kazan: | i cannot select "scan for channel(s)" or "Advanced" in channels |
| [02:54:00] | geoff: | you can add the freq id manually |
| [02:54:00] | geoff: | if you know what they are of course ;) |
| [02:55:00] | kazan: | that would be a bloody pain in the ass |
| [02:55:00] | kazan: | considering tvtime autoscans fine |
| [02:55:00] | geoff: | what kind of card? |
| [02:56:00] | kazan: | Kworld V-Stream (VS-TV878RF) |
| [02:56:00] | kazan: | other users have it using |
| [02:56:00] | kazan: | s/using/working |
| [02:57:00] | geoff: | you could try resetting card and channel setting |
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| [02:57:00] | geoff: | then see if you can scan before you run mythfilldatabase |
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| [02:57:00] | geoff: | I personally have never used the scan though |
| [02:57:00] | geoff: | got the info from data direct I think |
| [02:58:00] | geoff: | do you have the source set to us-cable? (replace us with where you are) |
| [03:00:00] | kazan: | yeah |
| [03:00:00] | kazan: | (us-cable is correct for me) |
| [03:01:00] | geoff: | beyond my knowledge |
| [03:01:00] | geoff: | sorry |
| [03:02:00] | ** kazan sighs ** | |
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| [03:03:00] | ** kazan deletes his cahnnel settings ** | |
| [03:04:00] | rond: | what is this really saying: Building your own PVR now, before June 30, 2005, allows you to legally ignore the FCC's broadcast flag mandate. You will retain fair use rights for all HD recordings you make, enabling you to move recordings to other devices, burn them to DVD, extract your favorite lines and still shots, and share clips with friends. |
| [03:05:00] | rond: | can I not record hdtv from directtv with mythtv ? |
| [03:05:00] | rond: | or from cable ? |
| [03:05:00] | geoff: | the broadcast flag thing got overturned |
| [03:05:00] | shiznix: | what country is this ? |
| [03:05:00] | geoff: | doesn't exist |
| [03:05:00] | kazan: | geoff: Fortunately! |
| [03:05:00] | kazan: | rond: ignore it |
| [03:05:00] | geoff: | (was us |
| [03:05:00] | geoff: | ) |
| [03:05:00] | kazan: | rond: that got overturned |
| [03:06:00] | kazan: | geoff: i'm reimporting my channel list seing if that will fix it |
| [03:06:00] | shiznix: | aah..k |
| [03:06:00] | rond: | k cool so simply I can build an MythTV DVR recorder ? |
| [03:06:00] | geoff: | kazan: did you try scanning first? |
| [03:06:00] | geoff: | rond: yes |
| [03:06:00] | rond: | HDTV that us |
| [03:06:00] | rond: | sorry |
| [03:07:00] | geoff: | cable and satellite do encrypt some HD channels though |
| [03:07:00] | kazan: | omfg i think i know the problem geoff |
| [03:08:00] | geoff: | as far as I know, you can't record them without going through an analog connection |
| [03:08:00] | geoff: | kazan: ?? |
| [03:08:00] | kazan: | permissions on /dev/video0 were crw------- |
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| [03:08:00] | geoff: | lol |
| [03:08:00] | kazan: | which is weird because i could use tvtime under my mythtv user... |
| [03:08:00] | geoff: | maybe it is suid root? |
| [03:08:00] | kazan: | still won't change channels |
| [03:09:00] | geoff: | but you have the freq's now? |
| [03:09:00] | kazan: | still getting error |
| [03:09:00] | kazan: | what's the permissions need to be? a+r or a+rw? |
| [03:10:00] | geoff: | you can set to 777 for testing if you are brave |
| [03:10:00] | kazan: | lol |
| [03:10:00] | geoff: | but I think 655 is what you need |
| [03:10:00] | kazan: | i'll do 666 |
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| [03:11:00] | kazan: | didn't fix |
| [03:11:00] | geoff: | if the permissions were off when you setup, you will have to redo the setup |
| [03:12:00] | kazan: | just bash my channel settings and redo them then |
| [03:12:00] | geoff: | to get the input connection should be tuner usually |
| [03:12:00] | geoff: | not television |
| [03:12:00] | geoff: | afaik |
| [03:12:00] | kazan: | it doesn't have one named "tuner" |
| [03:12:00] | kazan: | television is the correct input under tvtime |
| [03:13:00] | geoff: | it doesn't have tuner with the correct permissions? |
| [03:13:00] | kazan: | no it doesn't |
| [03:14:00] | geoff: | I guess television must be right then |
| [03:14:00] | kazan: | and under tvtime "Television" is the correct video source |
| [03:14:00] | geoff: | what error do you get in the front / backend logs? |
| [03:14:00] | kazan: | checkchannel fails |
| [03:14:00] | kazan: | on every channel |
| [03:15:00] | geoff: | strange |
| [03:15:00] | geoff: | have you tried -verbose all? |
| [03:15:00] | kazan: | on what? |
| [03:15:00] | kazan: | frontend? |
| [03:15:00] | kazan: | backend is running as a daemon |
| [03:16:00] | qfx: | hey Kazan, are you having problems changing channel in Myth? |
| [03:16:00] | qfx: | I can't change channels at all :( Well. I can with ptune.ui, but not through Mythtv |
| [03:16:00] | kazan: | check your logs for "CheckChannel failed" |
| [03:17:00] | kazan: | that's what i get when i try to change channels |
| [03:17:00] | qfx: | which log would that be? |
| [03:17:00] | kazan: | tvtime works fine |
| [03:17:00] | qfx: | /var/log/messages/ ? |
| [03:17:00] | kazan: | you mythbackend.log |
| [03:17:00] | qfx: | thanks |
| [03:17:00] | kazan: | mine (Fedora core using atrpms mythtv-suite is /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log) |
| [03:18:00] | qfx: | 2005-09–24 18:17:34.292 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "1" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [03:18:00] | qfx: | You're right, there's a bunch in there |
| [03:18:00] | qfx: | Did you manage to figure out what's wrong? |
| [03:19:00] | qfx: | mythfilldatabase worked fine :( |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | ufgh |
| [03:20:00] | qfx: | kazan: I'm also using the atrpms mythtv-suite |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | i think i have an idea what's going on |
| [03:20:00] | qfx: | just unlucky? |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | no |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | give me a second |
| [03:20:00] | qfx: | wrong version of mysql? |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | i'm going to try what i just found |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | no |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | it's a permissions issue |
| [03:20:00] | kazan: | give me a second to test it |
| [03:21:00] | qfx: | ok |
| [03:21:00] | kazan: | i have to dumb my channel config and reload |
| [03:21:00] | qfx: | I'll stick around here. Hopefully it works for you! |
| [03:21:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [03:22:00] | kazan: | dumbed channel settings |
| [03:22:00] | kazan: | dumped* |
| [03:22:00] | qfx: | I figured |
| [03:22:00] | kazan: | recreated source, mythfilldatabase |
| [03:22:00] | kazan: | waiting on mythfilldatabase |
| [03:22:00] | kazan: | if this works i'll tell you what you need to change |
| [03:22:00] | qfx: | maybe you could tell me how you're doing all this too. Thanks for the help |
| [03:22:00] | qfx: | <crossing my fingers> |
| [03:23:00] | qfx: | I just bought this PVR-150MCE, and it's been a royal pain to get going. Turns out I just had to revert to ivtv 0.3.8. Then it worked fine. Now myth is working on a single channel, but I can see the rest in the program listings. Hopefully soon it will work 100%! |
| [03:23:00] | qfx: | But I've learned a TONNE while doing it |
| [03:23:00] | kazan: | learning is good |
| [03:24:00] | kazan: | yeah myth won't change the tuner setting if checkchannel fails on all channels |
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| [03:24:00] | kazan: | so it just leaves it at the last channel that ptune/tvtime had it on |
| [03:24:00] | qfx: | Totally. It's my first kernel module compile etc. and just figuing how it's all working together has really helped |
| [03:24:00] | kazan: | mythfilldatabase is taking longer this time |
| [03:24:00] | kazan: | what kernel module did you compile? |
| [03:24:00] | kazan: | oh.. ivtv |
| [03:24:00] | kazan: | gotcha :D |
| [03:25:00] | qfx: | That might be a good sign. But even last time it filled in the programs etc. |
| [03:25:00] | qfx: | Yah, IVTV |
| [03:25:00] | kazan: | i'm using a bt878 card right now |
| [03:25:00] | qfx: | A friend of mine said that I'd appreciate the MPEG-2 encoding |
| [03:25:00] | kazan: | i'm just playing with mythtv on my desktop to know the pitfalls of mythtv on fedora when i go to build my real mythbox in a few months |
| [03:25:00] | kazan: | aye.. i'll be getting a PVR-500 |
| [03:25:00] | qfx: | Yah, that's a sweet card. This one was < 100 here in VAncouver |
| [03:26:00] | kazan: | shit i just accidentally scrolled back to the wrong command and ran mythfilldatabase again! LOL |
| [03:26:00] | qfx: | lol |
| [03:26:00] | kazan: | ok it realizes the data is current :D |
| [03:26:00] | kazan: | DAMMIT |
| [03:27:00] | kazan: | hrm |
| [03:27:00] | qfx: | uh oo |
| [03:27:00] | kazan: | *Tries something* |
| [03:27:00] | kazan: | i had to alter something in /etc/security .. so it may not take effect until the system startup scripts run again |
| [03:27:00] | kazan: | in otherwords: i may have to reboot a linux box! *barf* |
| [03:28:00] | qfx: | what did you have to alter? |
| [03:28:00] | kazan: | a file in /etc/security/console.perms.d/ |
| [03:28:00] | kazan: | afk bio while booting |
| [03:28:00] | qfx: | OK, thanks Kazan |
| [03:28:00] | qfx: | I hope it works for you! |
| [03:31:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [03:31:00] | kazan: | trying to import the channels.. again |
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| [03:32:00] | qfx: | Yes. I've done that a couple times, but I didn't change much.... that's just when you do a mythfilldatabase right? |
| [03:34:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [03:34:00] | qfx: | aye = good? |
| [03:35:00] | kazan: | aye mythfilldatabase = import channels |
| [03:35:00] | qfx: | ah yes. |
| [03:35:00] | qfx: | don't you have to run myth-setup first? |
| [03:35:00] | kazan: | it's working! |
| [03:35:00] | kazan: | IT'S WORKING! |
| [03:35:00] | qfx: | egg sellent |
| [03:36:00] | qfx: | I await your expertise :) |
| [03:36:00] | kazan: | switch to root |
| [03:36:00] | qfx: | ok |
| [03:36:00] | kazan: | vi /etc/security/console.perms.d/50-default.perms |
| [03:37:00] | qfx: | yup |
| [03:37:00] | kazan: | find "<console> 0600 <v4l> 0600 root" |
| [03:37:00] | guitar256: | anybody else had problem watching recordings on a remote frontend over a smb share? |
| [03:37:00] | qfx: | yup |
| [03:37:00] | kazan: | replace 0600 with 0666 |
| [03:37:00] | kazan: | (Both instances) |
| [03:37:00] | kazan: | reboot |
| [03:37:00] | qfx: | I mean 'aye' |
| [03:38:00] | qfx: | brb |
| [03:38:00] | kazan: | run mythtv-setup |
| [03:38:00] | qfx: | OK |
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| [03:38:00] | kazan: | clear out your channel config |
| [03:38:00] | qfx: | Yah, might as well get the info first :) |
| [03:38:00] | kazan: | reset up your source, run mythfilldatabase and you're good |
| [03:38:00] | qfx: | what's "reset your source"? |
| [03:38:00] | qfx: | so go into mythsetup, when it asks if I want to clear channel stuff, say yes. |
| [03:39:00] | qfx: | Mind holding on just a minute? I'll reboot right now |
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| [03:43:00] | kazan: | back |
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| [03:45:00] | qfx: | kazan: just running mythfilldatabase now |
| [03:45:00] | qfx: | what happens when your datadirect service subscription runs out? Do you just go renew it? Or do you have to pay? |
| [03:46:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | fill out a servuy and it is renewed |
| [03:46:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | like 5 questions |
| [03:46:00] | kazan: | what Nicetomeetyou said |
| [03:46:00] | qfx: | cool |
| [03:46:00] | qfx: | That's a nice database. Great that they'd provide it for a survey |
| [03:46:00] | kazan: | qfx you may have to do that file change you just did to another line if you're using OSS |
| [03:47:00] | qfx: | OSS? |
| [03:47:00] | kazan: | ok you're using OSS :P |
| [03:47:00] | qfx: | the change in the /etc/security one? |
| [03:47:00] | kazan: | the default sounddrivers used by fedora |
| [03:47:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [03:47:00] | kazan: | i think |
| [03:47:00] | kazan: | lemme see if doing that myself fixed my issue |
| [03:47:00] | qfx: | OK |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | didn't fix it |
| [03:48:00] | qfx: | You don't have sound? |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | oh |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | your card has it's sound on it |
| [03:48:00] | qfx: | Ouch, now I don't get any video? |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | mine doesn't |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | you don't get video now?! |
| [03:48:00] | kazan: | did you configure your video source |
| [03:49:00] | qfx: | ah... maybe not? |
| [03:49:00] | kazan: | :P |
| [03:49:00] | kazan: | go back into mythtv-setup and setup your video source |
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| [03:49:00] | qfx: | should I leave my channel settings alone this time? |
| [03:50:00] | kazan: | hold on a sec |
| [03:50:00] | kazan: | trying something on my machine |
| [03:50:00] | guitar256: | I can't get my Audigy to play sound at all, no test sounds |
| [03:50:00] | qfx: | Oh, just a second... I had set up the video source. For the zap2it datadirect service |
| [03:50:00] | guitar256: | i've been following jarod's guide, any suggestions? |
| [03:50:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | qfx, where did you buy your card? |
| [03:50:00] | kazan: | ok it wasn't that |
| [03:50:00] | kazan: | hrm |
| [03:50:00] | qfx: | NCIX, in Burnaby BC |
| [03:51:00] | kazan: | ok qfx |
| [03:51:00] | kazan: | you edited the file and restarted right? |
| [03:51:00] | qfx: | kazan: It's not doing anything now |
| [03:51:00] | qfx: | pure black and my screen flickers every few seconds |
| [03:51:00] | kazan: | press the up key |
| [03:51:00] | kazan: | that will change the channel |
| [03:51:00] | kazan: | tell me if it does anything |
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| [03:52:00] | qfx: | :( no |
| [03:52:00] | qfx: | it's still flickering the wholse screen every now and then |
| [03:52:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [03:52:00] | kazan: | close mythfrontend |
| [03:52:00] | qfx: | even ESC doesn't work |
| [03:52:00] | kazan: | ACK |
| [03:52:00] | qfx: | force quit |
| [03:52:00] | kazan: | k |
| [03:53:00] | kazan: | after you changed the permissions did you go into mythtv-setup and have it clear you channel settings, then setup a video source, and then run mythfilldatabase? |
| [03:54:00] | qfx: | I just went into mythtv-setup and cleared everything, including channel and card. Now I'm setting it up again. Including video source |
| [03:54:00] | kazan: | k |
| [03:54:00] | qfx: | Now I'm rerunning mythfilldatabase |
| [03:54:00] | qfx: | And hopefully <fingers crossed> it works this tiem |
| [03:54:00] | qfx: | Where do you live kazan? |
| [03:54:00] | qfx: | Thanks for the help b.t.w. |
| [03:54:00] | Danny123: | hey |
| [03:55:00] | kazan: | iowa |
| [03:55:00] | kazan: | u? |
| [03:55:00] | qfx: | CanadaBoy, Vancouver |
| [03:56:00] | kazan: | ah |
| [03:56:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | me too :) |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | wierd... I didn't type "Canadaboy" I typed 'Canada' and it filled in boy |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | canada |
| [03:56:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | small world |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | Hey, if you press tab it fills it in! |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | Nice to meet you Nicetomeetyou |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | I'm by brentwood mall |
| [03:56:00] | qfx: | Funny enough, my dad used to live on the iowa border too |
| [03:56:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I'm not in canada |
| [03:57:00] | qfx: | where are you patrick? |
| [03:57:00] | PatrickDK: | d.c. |
| [03:57:00] | qfx: | Your real name isn't bush is it? |
| [03:58:00] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [03:58:00] | PatrickDK: | I thought they lived in texas |
| [03:58:00] | qfx: | well... the good news is that I can still see video in mplayer. The bad news is, nothing out of mythfrontend |
| [03:58:00] | Danny123: | Quite a newbie to mythtv, so I apologize if this may sound like a stupid question. I live in a condo (Toronto) and ZapIT messes up my channel setup completely (because my condo has a SMATV system). Whats the easiest way to fix my channel setup? |
| [03:59:00] | Danny123: | I have a list of all the channels they provide.. (http://ycc76.com/ycc76_site_rev_01/bylaws/cable_tv_rates.htm) |
| [04:00:00] | qfx: | Sorry Danny, I dunno :( |
| [04:03:00] | qfx: | kazan: What's the other setting you changed? |
| [04:03:00] | qfx: | in the security setup? |
| [04:05:00] | Danny123: | qfx: know anyone who might be able to help? I really want to use my mythbox.. Ive been playing around with it and it definately seems quite cool. |
| [04:05:00] | qfx: | It's tough around here :( |
| [04:06:00] | Danny123: | Tough crowd? =) |
| [04:06:00] | qfx: | lol |
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| [04:08:00] | Danny123: | hmm.. PVR500 going to waste :(.. on the plus side I do have mythweb, mythgame and mythmusic to play around wiht :D. |
| [04:08:00] | kazan: | wtf |
| [04:09:00] | kazan: | ok why did it open /dev/bsp if it told it to start using ALSA:default |
| [04:09:00] | kazan: | (mythfrontend) |
| [04:09:00] | qfx: | i wonder if a reboot will help |
| [04:09:00] | Danny123: | kazan: Set sound output to ALSA:default and mixer to default. |
| [04:09:00] | kazan: | where is the mixer setting |
| [04:10:00] | kazan: | where are both those settings |
| [04:10:00] | kazan: | in mythfrontends menu? |
| [04:10:00] | qfx: | brb. gonna reboot! |
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| [04:11:00] | Danny123: | I think its in myth-setup general. |
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| [04:11:00] | Danny123: | s/myth-setup/mythsetup/ |
| [04:12:00] | kazan: | ALSA:default for mixer |
| [04:12:00] | kazan: | or just "default" |
| [04:12:00] | Danny123: | default for mixer. ALSA:default for output |
| [04:12:00] | kazan: | mixer controls pcm or master? |
| [04:12:00] | Danny123: | leave as is. |
| [04:12:00] | kazan: | k |
| [04:13:00] | Danny123: | brb. dinner |
| [04:13:00] | Danny123: | Others.. think about my problem pls :). |
| [04:13:00] | kazan: | i still have no volume |
| [04:13:00] | kazan: | sound works in tvtime |
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| [04:20:00] | T`: | hey guys.. can i make mythfrontend run on a different screen? it defaults to my first screen for my dual-head setup |
| [04:20:00] | qfx: | kazan: Now I got nothing for video :( I can still see it in mplayer, but it's not there for mythtv |
| [04:21:00] | kazan: | eek |
| [04:21:00] | kazan: | you changed that to 0666? |
| [04:22:00] | kazan: | did you make sure to start mythbackend :P |
| [04:22:00] | kazan: | (i'm assuming yes) |
| [04:22:00] | qfx: | yup |
| [04:22:00] | kazan: | k |
| [04:22:00] | kazan: | check your configuration |
| [04:22:00] | qfx: | It starts up as a service |
| [04:22:00] | qfx: | configuration for mythtv? |
| [04:22:00] | kazan: | make sure your card is setup, your source is setup and that you've imported channels |
| [04:23:00] | T`: | :q |
| [04:23:00] | T`: | :q |
| [04:23:00] | qfx: | and the way to import channels is to do a mythfilldatabase right? |
| [04:23:00] | T`: | err.. sorry ;) |
| [04:23:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [04:23:00] | qfx: | do I need to do anything in "Channel Editor" before I do that? (From mythtv-setup |
| [04:23:00] | kazan: | no |
| [04:23:00] | T`: | anyone know hwo to switch mythfrontend's default screen? so it can use the right resolution for my 2nd monitor? |
| [04:24:00] | kazan: | nope t`.. sorry bro |
| [04:24:00] | qfx: | filling the db now |
| [04:24:00] | T`: | kazan, heh ok |
| [04:24:00] | qfx: | maybe I should just blow away 'mythconvergdb' from mysql, and start it fresh..... ? |
| [04:24:00] | qfx: | Would that help? |
| [04:25:00] | kazan: | maybe starting from scratch is the item |
| [04:25:00] | kazan: | chmod 666 /dev/video0 (or whatever your video device is) as well |
| [04:25:00] | kazan: | just incase |
| [04:27:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [04:27:00] | kazan: | why cant i set my "Audio Device:" to "ALSA:default" in card setup |
| [04:28:00] | qfx: | MythTV WAF is steadily declining (Wife Acceptance Factor) |
| [04:29:00] | qfx: | How should I go about starting from scratch? |
| [04:29:00] | qfx: | like rpm -e mythtv-suite ? |
| [04:29:00] | kazan: | maybe |
| [04:29:00] | kazan: | dunno |
| [04:29:00] | kazan: | i'm working on my first setup as well |
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| [04:30:00] | qfx: | You're a guru compared to me :P |
| [04:30:00] | kazan: | increase your WPL (Wife Patience Level) |
| [04:30:00] | ** kazan is a software developer ** | |
| [04:30:00] | qfx: | I stuck her in front of the xbox, she's playing zelda now |
| [04:30:00] | qfx: | that increases WPL by 2+ hours |
| [04:30:00] | kazan: | :d |
| [04:30:00] | qfx: | what languages do you dev in kazan? |
| [04:30:00] | moo: | well |
| [04:31:00] | qfx: | I'm a dev too |
| [04:31:00] | moo: | im gonna trash my system and rebuild |
| [04:31:00] | qfx: | but just started |
| [04:31:00] | moo: | all because of mythtv ;p |
| [04:31:00] | kazan: | lol |
| [04:31:00] | kazan: | hey qfx |
| [04:31:00] | kazan: | instead of deleting/reinstalling |
| [04:31:00] | kazan: | mythtv-setup and tell it to clear all your settings |
| [04:31:00] | qfx: | like card and channel? I did that last time |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | i think im gonna use an older version of mythtv |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | the latest version is crap |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | loads of shit is not working for no reason |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | like channel scanning |
| [04:32:00] | oisastana: | what kind of problems are you guys having? |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | the button just doesn't work |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | :( |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | it works fine in tvtime so its not my card setup |
| [04:32:00] | moo: | mythtv just wont even attempt to scan ;/ |
| [04:32:00] | qfx: | Well, for me I couldn't change channels in mythtv, and when I tried to fix it, I managed to make it so that it doesn't display video at all |
| [04:33:00] | oisastana: | what do you mean scan? |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | and the audio is out of sync with video all the time, and i cant get xmltv to work properly – sigh :D |
| [04:33:00] | kazan: | oisastana: "scan for channels" in mythtv-setup is disabled |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | as in like if ur channel list is totally empty (new install) and u want it to find new channels automatically (theres a button for it... but u cant press it) |
| [04:33:00] | kazan: | you cannot select it _or_ "advanced" |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | asye |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | aye |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | whats up with that |
| [04:33:00] | kazan: | dunno |
| [04:33:00] | qfx: | we've all noticed that |
| [04:33:00] | oisastana: | oh i got ya kazzan |
| [04:33:00] | moo: | really fckin anoying |
| [04:33:00] | qfx: | kazan, can I dcc you for non-mythtv talk? |
| [04:34:00] | moo: | only way i could get channels in it |
| [04:34:00] | moo: | is to scan in tvtime |
| [04:34:00] | kazan: | sure qfx |
| [04:34:00] | kazan: | dunno if it'll work through my firewall though |
| [04:34:00] | moo: | and then set them up manually in mythtv with the frequencies from tvtime |
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| [04:34:00] | oisastana: | i know first run through mythtv-setup, after you scan your channels, it doesn't see it right away |
| [04:34:00] | moo: | anyway gonna download fedora 4 and see if i have more luck on that |
| [04:34:00] | oisastana: | like the channels |
| [04:35:00] | moo: | no it wont even let u press the scan button |
| [04:35:00] | moo: | its greyed out |
| [04:35:00] | oisastana: | but its not letting you hit the button ayy |
| [04:35:00] | moo: | u cant even tab to it |
| [04:35:00] | oisastana: | i remember i kept mistyping my pw and it wouldn't let me hit the button |
| [04:35:00] | kazan: | using DataDirect configures the channels fortunately |
| [04:35:00] | moo: | yea but im not in the usa |
| [04:35:00] | kazan: | ouch |
| [04:35:00] | moo: | so im using xmltv |
| [04:36:00] | moo: | basicly nothing works :D |
| [04:36:00] | oisastana: | burned me up like no other |
| [04:36:00] | moo: | audio and video out of sync ALL the time |
| [04:36:00] | moo: | thats the most anoying thing |
| [04:36:00] | kazan: | moo: check the troubleshooting docs for your audio sync issues |
| [04:36:00] | oisastana: | what kind of set up are you outputing to? monitor? tv? speakers? |
| [04:36:00] | oisastana: | for the out of syync |
| [04:37:00] | moo: | yea well im gonna trash my debian and install fedora 4 tomrrow (downloading isos overnite tonite) |
| [04:37:00] | moo: | and try a fresh install on that |
| [04:37:00] | moo: | since most people seem to be using mythtv on fedora |
| [04:37:00] | kazan: | make sure to setup the fedorafaq repositories |
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| [04:38:00] | kazan: | man |
| [04:38:00] | kazan: | why am i gettig no output audio |
| [04:39:00] | qfx: | now that I'm resetting up y card/channels... should I make my PVR-150 a "Standard V4L capture card" or an "MPEG 250/350" card? |
| [04:39:00] | kazan: | mpeg 250/350 |
| [04:39:00] | kazan: | iirc |
| [04:40:00] | moo: | oh by the way, anyone know if its possible to have the backend running on your linux box and to use something like eXceed on your windows box to run the frontend on windows |
| [04:40:00] | kazan: | so it uses the encoder |
| [04:40:00] | kazan: | moo: yes |
| [04:40:00] | moo: | that would be pretty cool |
| [04:40:00] | qfx: | what's eXeed? I was thinking about doing that in the future too.... |
| [04:40:00] | Danny123: | anyone here use MythDVD? |
| [04:40:00] | oisastana: | si danny |
| [04:41:00] | moo: | eXceed is a x-windows terminal client for windows |
| [04:41:00] | kazan: | hey oisastana |
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| [04:41:00] | kazan: | any ideas why i'm getting no audio? |
| [04:41:00] | qfx: | Hmmm... and would eXceed do the other stuff, like the KDE stuff? Or does Myth generall just use X? |
| [04:41:00] | oisastana: | you set your alsa mixer levels right? |
| [04:41:00] | Danny123: | Use it to rip stuff? Doesn't work for me. |
| [04:42:00] | oisastana: | never ripped with mythdvd, do that on a seperate box |
| [04:42:00] | moo: | my dream would be if all this works well, have a big ass raid array on a server in the cupboard under my stairs running the backend, with fast lan connection to a small frontend silent box in my lounge plugged into tv, and mabye another small box in the master bedroom, and another one in my son's room |
| [04:42:00] | moo: | multiple tuners in the server |
| [04:43:00] | Danny123: | ha.. let me rephrase my initial question then.. |
| [04:43:00] | Danny123: | anyone here use the ripping facility of MythDvd? :) |
| [04:44:00] | moo: | qfx, exceed basicly lets u connect to ur x server from windows instead of via localhost on ur box |
| [04:44:00] | moo: | so u can do anything that u could do locally, except with the slight drawback of being via network so u need a nice fast connection to wherever the server is |
| [04:46:00] | kazan: | oisastana: aye |
| [04:46:00] | kazan: | oisastana: aplay /dev/bsp fails though |
| [04:47:00] | kazan: | it's just silent |
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| [04:47:00] | kazan: | the "line" source is set to capture |
| [04:47:00] | kazan: | and "capture" is set to capture |
| [04:47:00] | kazan: | oh fark |
| [04:47:00] | kazan: | artsd is probably running! |
| [04:47:00] | oisastana: | kazan, for me its /dev/dsp |
| [04:47:00] | qfx: | moo OK, I'd tried it via VNC, but it doesn't handle video at all |
| [04:47:00] | qfx: | thank |
| [04:48:00] | kazan: | how do i make kde not use artsd |
| [04:48:00] | oisastana: | arg, arts sucks me ball |
| [04:48:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [04:48:00] | moo: | qfx, exceed is nothing like vnc |
| [04:48:00] | kazan: | so how do i tell KDE not to use it |
| [04:48:00] | oisastana: | ummm, use fluxbox? |
| [04:48:00] | oisastana: | sorry, not sure mang |
| [04:48:00] | qfx: | hmmm.... still pure black screen in MythTV, while I get video in mplayer |
| [04:48:00] | moo: | vnc takes still pictures of the server desktop and sends them over to you |
| [04:49:00] | oisastana: | i would try to remove the arts package/program |
| [04:49:00] | moo: | exceed connects to ur x-server as if it was u connecting to it locally on the box, its client server thing not a cludge like vnc |
| [04:50:00] | kazan: | oisastana: i have it disabled |
| [04:51:00] | kazan: | still no audio |
| [04:52:00] | oisastana: | you get an error or anything when you try to aplay your card |
| [04:53:00] | kazan: | just "underruns!!!" which they say is expected and means things are fine |
| [04:53:00] | qfx: | what should the permissions look like on /dev/video and /dev/video0 ? |
| [04:53:00] | kazan: | i just get no audio though |
| [04:53:00] | kazan: | rw-rw-rw- |
| [04:53:00] | qfx: | looks right |
| [04:53:00] | kazan: | oisastana: should i perhaps restart backend? |
| [04:54:00] | oisastana: | and did you check alsamixer settings? |
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| [04:54:00] | kazan: | qfx: your audio isn't going to come from /dev/dsp though – since you have a hardware mpeg2 encoder it's in the stream |
| [04:54:00] | kazan: | oisastana: yes |
| [04:54:00] | qfx: | kazan, yup, but that's 24 and 32, isn't it? |
| [04:54:00] | kazan: | oisastana: i said that already – Line and Capture are set to cpature |
| [04:54:00] | qfx: | I hate to say it, but I think I'm going to reboot one more time |
| [04:54:00] | grendel970: | I got mythburn-ui compiling for 18.1 if anyone wants it http://www.quietearth.us/config/mythburn-ui.tar.gz |
| [04:54:00] | qfx: | as much as it's not supposed to help |
| [04:55:00] | grendel970: | have to add a menu of type plugin and the gui needs some work, but its functional |
| [04:55:00] | grendel970: | path is hardcoded |
| [04:55:00] | oisastana: | ehh, try restarting it, not really sure whats up with that |
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| [04:55:00] | kazan: | still no money |
| [04:56:00] | kazan: | "strange error flushing buffer ..." |
| [04:56:00] | oisastana: | not really sure mang, wish i was more help |
| [04:57:00] | kazan: | that's just lamemp3 bitching |
| [04:57:00] | Danny123: | anyone here use the ripping facility of MythDvd? [repeat] |
| [04:58:00] | oisastana: | you tried using it danny? |
| [04:58:00] | Danny123: | Yes, I've tried. Can't figure out how to rip a dvd. |
| [04:59:00] | Danny123: | I have it there, and it seems fine, but the UI is a little confusing.. There is no 'Go' button. |
| [05:00:00] | oisastana: | i clicked the rip button underneath the play button to see how it worked, but nothing happened |
| [05:00:00] | oisastana: | figured i might as well just stick to ripping on my other box cause its faster anyway |
| [05:00:00] | kazan: | if i lsmod | grep alsa should i see anything? |
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| [05:01:00] | oisastana: | kazan, ipersonally don't |
| [05:01:00] | kazan: | k |
| [05:02:00] | kazan: | wtfh |
| [05:02:00] | kazan: | something has set my line volume to nil |
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| [05:02:00] | Ryushin: | Hello all. |
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| [05:02:00] | oisastana: | i think it was the commies that did it |
| [05:02:00] | qfx: | ok, So I restarted |
| [05:02:00] | kazan: | oh |
| [05:02:00] | kazan: | tvtime did it when i started it |
| [05:02:00] | Danny123: | Ryushin: hello |
| [05:02:00] | Ryushin: | Let me say it's amazing the quality of HD, but a serious pain in the ass to get it to work properly. |
| [05:03:00] | Ryushin: | Hey Danny. How's it going. |
| [05:03:00] | oisastana: | must be nice havin hd mang |
| [05:03:00] | Ryushin: | I still have problems with sound being choppy and making the picture skip. |
| [05:03:00] | kazan: | how can you tell if anything else has /dev/dsp open? |
| [05:04:00] | Ryushin: | lsof /dev/dsp |
| [05:04:00] | kazan: | no lines |
| [05:04:00] | oisastana: | well if i try aplay /dev/dsp, i get a busy error cause its beeing used by somethign else |
| [05:04:00] | oisastana: | not too helpful though |
| [05:05:00] | Ryushin: | try lsof /dev/adsp |
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| [05:06:00] | Ryushin: | oisatana: A HD mang? |
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| [05:06:00] | Danny123: | Ryushin: things going great.. have a lot of the plugings running on my mythbox. Few problems here and there, but recording, sound everything is working. |
| [05:06:00] | kazan: | no lines from lsof/dev/adsp |
| [05:06:00] | kazan: | wtf is adsp? |
| [05:06:00] | oisastana: | ry: naw, but my parents have it, and watching over their crib is amazing |
| [05:06:00] | Ryushin: | I put my HD antenna on the roof today. I should be able to pick up signals from Mars with that thing. |
| [05:07:00] | Ryushin: | alsa make /dev/adsp. |
| [05:07:00] | kazan: | ah |
| [05:08:00] | Ryushin: | Danny123: Cool. I had it all working with my PVR-350 card. Now I'm trying to get it to work perfectly with my HD card. After that, I have the joy of getting both of them to work together. |
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| [05:09:00] | Danny123: | Ryushin: Neat. I dont have anymore place in my box for another card. Bought a shuttle for it. One is the video card and Tv-out and the other is the PVR500. |
| [05:10:00] | Ryushin: | Yep, that would do it. :) |
| [05:10:00] | moo: | http://www.robbscelebs.co.uk/toons/toons041111/1toon_111104.jpg |
| [05:10:00] | moo: | lol |
| [05:10:00] | qfx: | OK, I now have a message "MythTV is already using all available inputs for recording. If you want to watch an in0progress recording select one from the playback menu." |
| [05:10:00] | Danny123: | The few things remianing include figuring out how to use MythDVD, getting my channels setup (I live in a condo and they have fk'ed up the channels) and figuring out how to use the radio. |
| [05:11:00] | qfx: | but it's not (or at least shouldn't be?) recording anything |
| [05:11:00] | Ryushin: | This is the antenna that I got: http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/hd9095p.pdf I'm picking up HD signals from 90 miles away. :) |
| [05:11:00] | oisastana: | yo you got radio danny? |
| [05:12:00] | Ryushin: | Danny123: You can change the channels in myth-setup by finding the appropriate xmlid and plugging it into that channel. |
| [05:12:00] | ** qfx sends out pitiful cry for help ** | |
| [05:12:00] | Danny123: | oisastana: yeah.. the PVR500 has a tadio tuner on it. |
| [05:12:00] | Danny123: | s/tadio/radio/ |
| [05:12:00] | qfx: | be back in 10 minutes |
| [05:13:00] | oisastana: | my 350 has one, didn't know there was anything supporting it though |
| [05:13:00] | Danny123: | oisastana: Ive seen a few people who seem to have gottn something running. Not a lot though. |
| [05:14:00] | oisastana: | you listen through mythmusic dan' |
| [05:14:00] | Danny123: | oisastana: I haven't gotten it running yet. I want to. |
| [05:14:00] | Ryushin: | oisatana: The 350 radio is supported by the modules. i don't know if there is a mythplugin for it though. |
| [05:14:00] | Danny123: | oisastana: Its on the todo list. |
| [05:16:00] | oisastana: | yeah, thats what i meant to say, a myth plugin ry |
| [05:18:00] | ** kazan screams "why isn't sound working" ** | |
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| [05:19:00] | ** Danny123 whispers to kazan: mirc don't have sound. ** | |
| [05:19:00] | kazan: | Danny123 i was talking about mythtv's sound |
| [05:19:00] | Danny123: | ha.. I know :) |
| [05:19:00] | Danny123: | What distro you using? |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | fedora |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | i've disabled artsd |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | i've setup my .asoundrc |
| [05:20:00] | Danny123: | ebilll |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | my video capture device's audio is set to /dev/dsp |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | alsa is setup correctly |
| [05:20:00] | kazan: | mythfrontend is using also for output |
| [05:20:00] | oisastana: | what is your capture card? |
| [05:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | kazan, using alsa? |
| [05:21:00] | kazan: | oisastana: Kworld V-Stream Xpert a VS-TV878RF with radio |
| [05:22:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | use "ALSA:default" instead of /dev/dsp and "default" instaed of /dev/mixer in mythtvfrontend settings |
| [05:22:00] | kazan: | audio comes into the computer via my emu10k1's line in |
| [05:22:00] | kazan: | audio works in tvtime |
| [05:22:00] | kazan: | nicetomeetyou: i cannot set the audio source to "ALSA:default" in mythtv-setup's devices |
| [05:22:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | type it |
| [05:22:00] | kazan: | nicetomettyou: mythfrontend is using alsa_Default and mixer |
| [05:22:00] | kazan: | i did type it |
| [05:23:00] | kazan: | it simply refuses to use it |
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| [05:23:00] | Danny123: | Which version of mythtv are you using? |
| [05:23:00] | kazan: | latest one in atrpms |
| [05:23:00] | Danny123: | 0.18.1 allows you to do it. |
| [05:23:00] | grendel970: | anyone have the progarm guide setup to watch the channel in a small window? |
| [05:23:00] | kazan: | mythtv-suite 0.18.1–55.at |
| [05:24:00] | Danny123: | Im using gentoo and the latest 0.18.1-r2 and it works |
| [05:24:00] | kazan: | i don't think it's a problem with myth explicitly |
| [05:24:00] | Danny123: | kazan:.. another way to do it.. (give me a second) |
| [05:24:00] | kazan: | because aplay /dev/dsp doesn't work when i mute the output from "line" |
| [05:25:00] | Danny123: | kazan: connect to mysql |
| [05:25:00] | kazan: | hold on |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | i'm in mysql |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | in mythconverg |
| [05:26:00] | Danny123: | use mythconverg |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | already there :D |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | what's th select statement |
| [05:26:00] | Danny123: | update settings set data='ALSA:default' where value='AudioOutputDevice'; |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | no no no |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | wrong side |
| [05:26:00] | kazan: | mythfrontend is using alsa |
| [05:27:00] | kazan: | i'm not having a problem with mythfrontend |
| [05:27:00] | kazan: | i'm having a problem with mythbackend not getting the audio for the card |
| [05:27:00] | Danny123: | Just give it a try :) |
| [05:27:00] | Danny123: | Your not going to loose any more sound |
| [05:27:00] | kazan: | it's already set to that |
| [05:27:00] | Danny123: | and 'AudioDevice'? |
| [05:28:00] | kazan: | SELECT * FROM settings Where Value='AudioOutputDevice' |
| [05:28:00] | kazan: | AudiDevice is /dev/dsp |
| [05:28:00] | kazan: | AudioDevice* |
| [05:28:00] | Danny123: | update settings set data='ALSA:default' where value='AudioDevice'; :) |
| [05:29:00] | kazan: | k |
| [05:29:00] | kazan: | trying frontend |
| [05:29:00] | Danny123: | restart backend |
| [05:29:00] | kazan: | BINGO! |
| [05:29:00] | kazan: | didn't need to restart backend |
| [05:29:00] | Danny123: | I win? |
| [05:30:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [05:30:00] | kazan: | volume adjustment doesn't work |
| [05:30:00] | Danny123: | woohoo.. The money is under the table? :D |
| [05:30:00] | kazan: | lol |
| [05:30:00] | Danny123: | ok |
| [05:31:00] | Danny123: | now im going to go try fixing my MythDVD transcoding (for personal backup purposes only) |
| [05:31:00] | oisastana: | ha |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value LIKE '%mixer%' |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | mixerdevice default |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | mixer control PCM |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | mastermixerolume 70 |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | pcmmixervolume 100 |
| [05:31:00] | Danny123: | lcase(value) |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | but adjusting volume during playback does nothing |
| [05:31:00] | kazan: | LIKE is case insensative |
| [05:32:00] | Danny123: | :O |
| [05:32:00] | ** kazan uses SQL all day in his day job ** | |
| [05:32:00] | kazan: | oh |
| [05:32:00] | kazan: | oh wait |
| [05:32:00] | ** Danny123 works for IBM. DB2 all the way. ** | |
| [05:32:00] | kazan: | i think that our success was a trick on us |
| [05:33:00] | kazan: | yeah |
| [05:33:00] | kazan: | i forgot to mute line in before running mythfrontend |
| [05:33:00] | kazan: | problem _not_ fixed |
| [05:33:00] | Danny123: | why do you need to mute line in? |
| [05:33:00] | ** kazan installs phpmyadmin ** | |
| [05:34:00] | kazan: | because otherwise it just passes through to audio out |
| [05:34:00] | kazan: | it's in the mythtv audio instructions |
| [05:34:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | i have my line-in not muted and can record from line-in while using mythtv |
| [05:35:00] | Danny123: | I must have skipped that section and recording static works fine :) |
| [05:35:00] | kazan: | Nicetomeetyou: lemme try a recording |
| [05:35:00] | kazan: | hmm |
| [05:35:00] | kazan: | how do i just record livetv? |
| [05:36:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | "watch tv" |
| [05:36:00] | kazan: | doing that right now |
| [05:36:00] | kazan: | no audio |
| [05:36:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | cause it is not recording audio or not playing audio? |
| [05:36:00] | kazan: | i hear no audio |
| [05:36:00] | kazan: | i don't think it's getting the audio into the buffer |
| [05:37:00] | kazan: | aplay /dev/dsp doesn't result in you hearing anything when it should (see the audio troubleshooting section) |
| [05:38:00] | kazan: | i triggerd it to start recording |
| [05:39:00] | kazan: | the recording shows up in mythweb |
| [05:39:00] | kazan: | how do i stop it without deleting the file... |
| [05:40:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | manage recordings |
| [05:40:00] | kazan: | ack my theme is busted |
| [05:40:00] | kazan: | hold on |
| [05:40:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | something like that |
| [05:41:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | afk |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | so how do i stop a recording in progress without the file getting deleted |
| [05:41:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | manage recordings |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | k |
| [05:41:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | you at that menu? |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | no |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | hold on |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | i'm loading a different theme |
| [05:41:00] | kazan: | because the one i had up crashed with a bad xml |
| [05:42:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | manage recordings->upcomming recordings |
| [05:42:00] | kazan: | it's prescaling images while my computer is capturing video at a nasty ammount of data |
| [05:42:00] | kazan: | recording is in progress |
| [05:42:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | press "M" |
| [05:42:00] | kazan: | where? i'm in the manage recordings |
| [05:42:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | manage recordings->upcomming recordings |
| [05:42:00] | kazan: | k |
| [05:43:00] | kazan: | i have the current recording up |
| [05:43:00] | kazan: | .... |
| [05:44:00] | kazan: | ok how do i play a nuv from outside of myth? |
| [05:44:00] | kazan: | does xine support nuv? |
| [05:44:00] | kazan: | holy hell that takes up a lotta space.. that's more than a gig an hour |
| [05:44:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | i think it does |
| [05:45:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | brb |
| [05:45:00] | kazan: | sigsegv! |
| [05:45:00] | kazan: | ok |
| [05:45:00] | kazan: | mplayer is playing it |
| [05:45:00] | kazan: | no audio |
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| [05:47:00] | KristinG: | hi |
| [05:47:00] | BoBotheClown: | hi |
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| [05:48:00] | ** kazan bangs head against wall ** | |
| [05:48:00] | KristinG: | lircd help is needed please. i am using a 2.6.13 kernel, gentoo, and a pvr-250 |
| [05:49:00] | kazan: | wassup |
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| [05:50:00] | davyd: | hey dudes |
| [05:50:00] | Danny123: | Anyone know how to start mythdvd transcoding? There is no "Go" key. |
| [05:50:00] | davyd: | I have some questions about mythvideo |
| [05:51:00] | davyd: | is there any simple way to make it more interested in files, and less interested in metadata |
| [05:51:00] | BoBotheClown: | danny123 press 0 |
| [05:51:00] | davyd: | something where I can shove a CD-rom in and have it preview all of the video content GNOME Nautilus style |
| [05:51:00] | BoBotheClown: | zero |
| [05:52:00] | Danny123: | BoBotheClown: thats to create a new ripping job. Thats fine. I so.. but then once I select the quality, etc, I hit 0, nothing happens |
| [05:52:00] | BoBotheClown: | oh |
| [05:53:00] | BoBotheClown: | no clue |
| [05:53:00] | KristinG: | so anyway, i followed all of the out-of-date gentoo howtv |
| [05:53:00] | KristinG: | howtos |
| [05:53:00] | BoBotheClown: | all I can get mine to do is make vobs |
| [05:53:00] | KristinG: | and i am not able to get the remote to work |
| [05:53:00] | Danny123: | You just hit 0 after selecting the quality and all? |
| [05:53:00] | BoBotheClown: | yes |
| [05:54:00] | Danny123: | son of a b**** |
| [05:55:00] | Danny123: | '0 Process Selected Titles'.. I thought that meant I had no titles selected so I would always go and select (or unselect now that I know) all the titles. |
| [05:55:00] | BoBotheClown: | it is not very clear |
| [05:55:00] | BoBotheClown: | I often have the same type of issue in myth |
| [05:57:00] | Danny123: | ok.. :D |
| [05:57:00] | Danny123: | Thanks.. one more thing done. |
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| [05:59:00] | KristinG: | nobody is able to help then? |
| [05:59:00] | ** kazan does a happydance ** | |
| [05:59:00] | kazan: | danny123 i had to do alsaconf |
| [05:59:00] | kazan: | but now i'm getting stuttering |
| [05:59:00] | kazan: | in the entire stream |
| [05:59:00] | Danny123: | KristinG: I haven't gotten that far yet. I need to buy a remote and going to try setting it up next week. |
| [06:00:00] | kazan: | audio is echoing some |
| [06:00:00] | kazan: | meh |
| [06:00:00] | Danny123: | kazan: Irony that now you have too much sound :) |
| [06:00:00] | kazan: | because it's playing it back directly and from the buffer |
| [06:00:00] | kazan: | aye |
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| [06:00:00] | KristinG: | my prv-250 came with a remote |
| [06:01:00] | kazan: | it seems PCM needs to be muted |
| [06:01:00] | Danny123: | my PVR500 = no remote :( |
| [06:01:00] | Danny123: | but on the plus side, it cost a crap load of money and I save a lot on my car insurance. |
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| [06:01:00] | Danny123: | Im making up the saving on my car insurance part. |
| [06:02:00] | dopester: | you should switch to geico then |
| [06:03:00] | KristinG: | i tend to think that tuner cards are pointless to buy |
| [06:03:00] | KristinG: | i use mine only for the svideo input |
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| [06:03:00] | Danny123: | 15 minutes could save me $50 or more? |
| [06:03:00] | dopester: | something like that |
| [06:03:00] | Danny123: | KristinG: Mine is great. The S-video is a plus. |
| [06:04:00] | Danny123: | The point of it is the recording capabilities of programs if you are out most of the time |
| [06:04:00] | Danny123: | and then having holidays like christmas or thanksgiving to celebrate while watching a backlog of all your episodes |
| [06:05:00] | KristinG: | umm, well tuners are useless with satellite and HD |
| [06:05:00] | Danny123: | Plus a lot of people use it so they can watch TV in any room on MythFrontend while the main computer is in another room. |
| [06:05:00] | KristinG: | unless you take your HD over the air |
| [06:05:00] | Danny123: | HDTV card :D |
| [06:06:00] | Danny123: | eh.. maybe you're right, I've got something like cable.. so its ok |
| [06:07:00] | dopester: | i take my hd ota :) |
| [06:08:00] | Danny123: | I say something like cable because my condo has decided to play around with the frequencies and throw any listing I get from Zap2IT off. |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | fixed it |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | apparently the SB Live is effectively two cards |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | it has the emu10k1 and an ac97 |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | you have to mute the AC97, but leave the AC97 turned up |
| [06:08:00] | oisastana: | isn't ac97 just a codec? |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | which is 99% of the time implemented in hardware |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | anyway i'm going to bed for the night |
| [06:08:00] | kazan: | thanks for the help |
| [06:09:00] | kazan: | tommorow: remote control |
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| [06:11:00] | Octane: | when creating a schedule the "Record new and expire old" option basically means that after X programs it will erase the oldest one, right? |
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| [06:15:00] | sw_bluntman: | is anyone here to answer questions? |
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| [06:17:00] | fryfrog: | nah, everyone just asks them its a channel full of takers and no givers |
| [06:19:00] | sw_bluntman: | Not much to be taken then... :) |
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| [06:24:00] | sw_bluntman: | In the interest of conversation, anyone know what % done .19 is? |
| [06:24:00] | fryfrog: | i just switched to the svn version and it is quite stable :) |
| [06:24:00] | fryfrog: | a few fun features too |
| [06:24:00] | fryfrog: | but i think its a ways off from next release |
| [06:25:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: who cares? are you waiting for something to come out? |
| [06:25:00] | sw_bluntman: | Not really. Waiting for some polish, mainly, before I can move the myth box to the main tv |
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| [06:26:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: what kind of polish? mythtv is one of the most stable pieces of software avialable to linux |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | BleedAway: polish?? |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: ^^^ |
| [06:26:00] | Octane: | i mean, what possibly could use some polish? |
| [06:26:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: are you polish? :) |
| [06:26:00] | fryfrog: | Octane: thats maybe not 100% accurate ;p |
| [06:26:00] | sw_bluntman: | Not stability. What I mean is wife friendly-ness :) |
| [06:26:00] | Octane: | mchou: i think he would have said Polish then |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: huh??? |
| [06:27:00] | fryfrog: | as long as the frontend never crashes, you should be okay |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | Octane: I was makeing a joke |
| [06:27:00] | Ryushin: | Okay, has anyone heard of this happening. When I have no audio device selected, my HD playback is perfect. CPU is running about 25% with xvmc. If I turn on the audio, I'm dropping about 1/3 of my frames and the voice is in slow motion. It is recording still, and I can fast forward. It's like its playing at 2/3 speed instead of full speed. The audio is the culprit, but I don't know how to fix it. About 1 in 25 times when i say |
| [06:27:00] | Ryushin: | watch TV, the sound will be find and not 2/3rd speed. Any ideas. No mater how far fetched. |
| [06:27:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: the WAF has always been a problem for many people but they handled it. im sure you will to |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | Octane: haha! |
| [06:27:00] | Ryushin: | Oh, when audio is on, it's still running about 25& cpu. |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | Octane: you have a wife? :) |
| [06:27:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: the trick is to have good menus |
| [06:28:00] | sw_bluntman: | Octane: But I have to get my wife to switch from her beloved TiVo |
| [06:28:00] | Octane: | mchou: no, ive just been around for a while :) |
| [06:28:00] | sw_bluntman: | Good menus. True, that I need. But do I control that other than by making a personal theme? |
| [06:28:00] | mchou: | Octane: cause you wouldnt had said what you said had you a wife :) |
| [06:28:00] | Octane: | mchou: ha |
| [06:29:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: i think the menus are just fine, choose between the default and the classic style |
| [06:29:00] | Octane: | sw_bluntman: or edit the XML menus yourself |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: it's easy to get the wife to switch from tivo |
| [06:29:00] | sw_bluntman: | Octane: That I can do. |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: automatic commercial detection and skippin |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: that ought to sell he |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | her* |
| [06:30:00] | sw_bluntman: | mchou: The problem only real remaing problem now is that she watches live tv for a while, then hits record and the TiVo goes back to the beginning. This apparently isn't possible in Myth due to something about the ringbuffer and frontend/backend separation |
| [06:31:00] | mchou: | goes back to the beginning? |
| [06:31:00] | Chutt: | sw_bluntman, that'll be changed in 0.19 |
| [06:31:00] | mchou: | sw_bluntman: there you go :) |
| [06:31:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: it just uses whats in buffer to "start" the show when you started watching |
| [06:31:00] | fryfrog: | sw_bluntman: just gotta teach her to only watch recorded shows :) |
| [06:32:00] | fryfrog: | sw_bluntman: its not hard, after about 2–3 weeks you'll have so much shit saved you won't even be able to watch live tv |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: haha! |
| [06:33:00] | Octane: | too true |
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| [06:34:00] | mchou: | wow, a dude from the bioinformatics department |
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| [06:36:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Arrgh. Stupid laptop hung in the middle of that conversation |
| [06:36:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Did you guys say that will be fixed in 0.19? |
| [06:36:00] | Octane: | <Chutt> sw_bluntman, that'll be changed in 0.19 |
| [06:37:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Excuse my while I do a happy dance around the room |
| [06:37:00] | ananke: | mchou : actually, 'institute' to be exact :) |
| [06:37:00] | Chutt: | be a month or two |
| [06:37:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Is it done is SVN now? |
| [06:37:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [06:38:00] | mchou: | ananke: vt has a bioinformatics institute? |
| [06:38:00] | ananke: | mchou : yep. www.vbi.vt.edu |
| [06:38:00] | sw_bluntman_: | OK. I can wait. Just knowing that it is coming is awesome enough. |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | ananke: learn something new every day..... |
| [06:42:00] | ananke: | considering that vt just beat gatech tonight, i think a bioinformatics facility is feasible :) |
| [06:43:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Do you guys know if it is currently possible to record HD in any other way than over-the-air? Using an external sat or cable box, for example. |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | firewire? :) |
| [06:43:00] | fryfrog: | sw_bluntman: in theory, there is a mod to sat boxes that gives them firewire |
| [06:43:00] | fryfrog: | and if your hd cable box will output over firewire, you can get it that way |
| [06:44:00] | fryfrog: | my hd cable box would only output 2 out of 11 hd channels though |
| [06:44:00] | fryfrog: | and the firewire mod to sat boxes is ummm, expensive? |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: lemme guess, PBS? |
| [06:44:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Ahh. Got it. I need to look for that feature as I shop for the box, then. |
| [06:45:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Is it a mod like a hack or a mod like an external converter? |
| [06:45:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: i don't recall which two chans :/ |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: haha!! |
| [06:45:00] | fryfrog: | sw_bluntman: for sat, it is a hardware hack *and* you need some external converter box thing |
| [06:45:00] | fryfrog: | sw_bluntman: and it was like $500+ for the mod |
| [06:46:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Yikes. I found one just now on amazon that ouputs firewire... for like $1400. Ouch |
| [06:46:00] | fryfrog: | shitty eh? |
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| [06:47:00] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, most *cable* companies broadcast the hd chans unencrypted |
| [06:47:00] | fryfrog: | so with an OTA HDTV tuner card that supports ?QAM? (i think?) you can get em |
| [06:47:00] | sw_bluntman_: | Yeah. That's insane. Somebody needs to make a DVI input capture card for Linux. |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: huh?? |
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| [06:49:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: what huh? |
| [06:50:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: [21:47:10] <fryfrog> oh yeah, most cable companies broadcast the hd chans unencrypted |
| [06:50:00] | fryfrog: | i guess i should have said *some* |
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| [06:51:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: even some would be an exaggeration unless you meant locals |
| [06:51:00] | fryfrog: | oh yeah sorry i dont mean the pay chans like hbo |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | some cableco you might get DiscoveryHD..... |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | but even that's becoming rare.... |
| [06:53:00] | fryfrog: | i'll find out soon what communist-cast in atlanta does :) |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: avsforum.com |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: no need to guess |
| [06:54:00] | fryfrog: | humm, i've ended up there a lot :) |
| [06:54:00] | Ryushin: | Does anyone want to know what I think was causing my audio problems with the HD-3000 card? I've stopped and started the HD several times and the audio is running perfectly. Even rebooted and it's working fine now. At least for the time being. |
| [06:54:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: ppl will tell you exactly what they get in HD there |
| [06:54:00] | fryfrog: | what do you think it was? |
| [06:55:00] | mchou: | gremlins |
| [06:55:00] | Ryushin: | When you set up the card in mythtv-setup, when you add the HD-3000 card as a DVB card, the default buffers are 8192. I increased them to 12892 and it's working perfectly now. "knock on wood". |
| [06:56:00] | Ryushin: | I'm watch PBS in HD right now. Have have some incredible programming. Very cool. |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | PBS is da bomb! |
| [06:57:00] | Ryushin: | My new antenna really stretches out and grabs thouse signals. One of them is 90 miles away. Antenna was only $95. |
| [06:57:00] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: where did you get it? |
| [06:57:00] | Ryushin: | So it's only taken me 3 freaking weeks to figure this out. |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: what antenna is it? |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: a channelmaster? |
| [06:58:00] | Ryushin: | Here, let me scroll through my earlier posts. |
| [06:58:00] | Ryushin: | This is the antenna that I got: http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/hd9095p.pdf I'm picking up HD signals from 90 miles away. :) |
| [06:58:00] | fryfrog: | did you use the antennaweb site? |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: that's not a bad antenna |
| [06:59:00] | Ryushin: | That and titantv. |
| [06:59:00] | Ryushin: | Oh, you mean to choose my antenna. No. I didn't use them. |
| [06:59:00] | Ryushin: | Did my own research. |
| [06:59:00] | fryfrog: | its a uni-directional antenna, right? |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: you may had better luck w/ channelmaster 4228 though :) |
| [06:59:00] | Ryushin: | HD is so freaking cool! PBS must be using a imax or something. |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | hahaha! |
| [07:00:00] | Ryushin: | It's directional. |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | yeah, verily |
| [07:00:00] | Ryushin: | But all of my stations are within 30 degress of each other. |
| [07:00:00] | Ryushin: | It's 95 inches long. :) |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: I bet you say that to all the girls |
| [07:01:00] | Ryushin: | I bet the covenant in my community is going to have a fit. I put it on my roof. But there is nothing they can do. Congress makes it legal. |
| [07:02:00] | fryfrog: | can't you put them in the attik? |
| [07:02:00] | Ryushin: | mchou: When I tell them that, they run away. |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: you own the house? |
| [07:02:00] | Ryushin: | Well, the mortgage is. :) |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: yup, nothing they can really do |
| [07:03:00] | fryfrog: | humm, it looks like all my HD stations are very close too |
| [07:03:00] | Ryushin: | The atic will reduce the signal by 30% or more. I thought if I'm going to all this trouble, it might as well go on the roof. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: most ccr dont throw fits anymore on that though |
| [07:03:00] | fryfrog: | 97–117 |
| [07:03:00] | Ryushin: | I'm in the far, far suburbs. Actually, I'm in a town that is 10 miles from Denver. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: they are used to it by now. |
| [07:03:00] | fryfrog: | and most are like 15 miles away :/ |
| [07:04:00] | Ryushin: | My closest one is 45 miles away. |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: you install the thing yourself or had it installed? |
| [07:04:00] | fryfrog: | i wonder... "WATC-DT (REL)" sound like a religious station? |
| [07:04:00] | Ryushin: | I pretty much do everything myself. |
| [07:04:00] | Ryushin: | Only took about 2 hours, start to finish. |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: you have a two story or? |
| [07:05:00] | fryfrog: | antennaweb.org suggests a "blue" or "red" antenna |
| [07:05:00] | Ryushin: | When I had my house built, I had them put in cable running from the atic to the basement where my video amp is. |
| [07:05:00] | Ryushin: | Two story. |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: wow, brave guy |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | I dont have to go up on the roof myself :) |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | vertigo |
| [07:06:00] | Ryushin: | I'm not afraid of heights. I used to go boulder climbing all the time. Problem is, rarely would anyone want to go with me. You never go by yourself. |
| [07:07:00] | Ryushin: | Well, my house does have rings on the roof that you're supposed to hook to. i didn't though. |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | the roof can be much more slippery than a bolder :) |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | boulder* |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | especially terra cotta |
| [07:08:00] | Ryushin: | Oh yea. But a boulder that is even slightly wet, holy crap. That scared me a few times. |
| [07:08:00] | Ryushin: | A little dew, and it could all be over. |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | exactly |
| [07:08:00] | Ryushin: | They showing a concert on PBS right now. It's like looking through a glass window. |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | you know what I'm talkin' about |
| [07:09:00] | Ryushin: | Not sure. Maybe I'm way off. |
| [07:09:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: any idea where on avsforums i'd be looking for comcast + atlanta? |
| [07:09:00] | fryfrog: | ahah, nm i think i found |
| [07:10:00] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: Are you trying to do qam over cable? |
| [07:10:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: HDTV reception, forum right underneath HTPC |
| [07:10:00] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: research, my hdtv card hasn't arrived yet |
| [07:11:00] | Ryushin: | Which card you getting? |
| [07:11:00] | fryfrog: | the 5th gen air2pc? |
| [07:11:00] | fryfrog: | er, 3rd gen? |
| [07:11:00] | fryfrog: | hd5000 or something i think its called? |
| [07:11:00] | simcop2387: | i need to adjust my auto-expire settings, my 200gb drive can't hold any more and its been about a week and a half since i got the tv card |
| [07:12:00] | Ryushin: | I have a HD-3000 card. Though I'm not familiar with the air2pc cards. |
| [07:12:00] | fryfrog: | from what i've read, the air2pc's new card's qam is supposed to be quite good |
| [07:12:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: what tuner is on the HD-3k? |
| [07:12:00] | fryfrog: | course, thats just from reading :) |
| [07:12:00] | Ryushin: | Ummm.... Let me check. |
| [07:13:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: is it a LG? |
| [07:14:00] | Ryushin: | Oren Semiconductor's ATSC receiver chip |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | nana, the TUNER |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | not some asic |
| [07:14:00] | simcop2387: | be awsome if it was an asic tuner though |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | I dought if the HD3K is an LG tuner |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | doubt* |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | LG tuners are reputedly the best right now...... |
| [07:16:00] | Ryushin: | Well, here it is: http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | multipath rejection and all that crap..... |
| [07:17:00] | fryfrog: | i think that air2pc 3rd gen card has that LG tuner you are talking about |
| [07:17:00] | Ryushin: | Really. That would explain what I read in another thread. That LG figured out a problem that the HD-3000 was using. So yea, based on what I've read, the LG and the HD-3000 use the same tuners. |
| [07:17:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: you use an hdtv card? |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: that pic shows Thomson |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: used to. |
| [07:18:00] | fryfrog: | why no more? |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | cause it didnt work right :) |
| [07:18:00] | fryfrog: | OTA or QAM? |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | worked fine for OTA but not QAM |
| [07:19:00] | Ryushin: | What's the Thomson? |
| [07:19:00] | fryfrog: | which card? |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | air2pc |
| [07:19:00] | fryfrog: | one of the 1st/2nd gen cards? |
| [07:19:00] | Ryushin: | Oh, and regarding QAM and cable. Have fun. Oh man, that is a huge can of worms. |
| [07:20:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: the gen b4 yours |
| [07:20:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [07:20:00] | fryfrog: | i'm not actually sure how you ... tell it to use QAM? |
| [07:20:00] | fryfrog: | or... anything |
| [07:20:00] | fryfrog: | i'm just hoping it'll "work" with the zap2it listings and stuff |
| [07:20:00] | mchou: | I wrote a bash script. xris modded it for perl |
| [07:21:00] | fryfrog: | oh pooh, what do you need scripts for? |
| [07:21:00] | mchou: | myth would work just fine if the HW worke :) |
| [07:21:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [07:21:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: you'll find out :) |
| [07:21:00] | mchou: | worked* |
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| [07:22:00] | fryfrog: | wonder how much that channel master antenna is |
| [07:22:00] | mchou: | about $50 or so.... |
| [07:22:00] | mchou: | +/- 25 |
| [07:22:00] | fryfrog: | not bad |
| [07:22:00] | fryfrog: | radioshackable? |
| [07:22:00] | mchou: | (well, +) |
| [07:23:00] | mchou: | nope |
| [07:23:00] | Ryushin: | Pulling in the channels over cable has been a serious pain in the butt. It's possible. But get ready for a good hour or so of finding each station. And comcast has been known to compress the signals even harder. After a week of trying to get qam working over cable, I said screw it and ordered my antenna. Comcast is also encypting some of the local hd channels in some areas. |
| [07:23:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: I told fryfrog this already :) |
| [07:23:00] | fryfrog: | i probably won't be dealing with comcast much longer :) |
| [07:23:00] | fryfrog: | i'm tired of their shit, its bananas |
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| [07:23:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: didnt thake me an hr to find their stations |
| [07:24:00] | Ryushin: | Oh good. The frustration of getting it to work is not worth the gain. |
| [07:24:00] | mchou: | take* |
| [07:24:00] | mchou: | hah, that's only if you want to spend $300 to have antenna installed :) |
| [07:24:00] | Ryushin: | Well, they are deliberatly taking out some critical information in the streams. You have to use azap and other utils to find them. |
| [07:25:00] | Ryushin: | Just put some blinders on and don't look down. |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: lol |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | it's not about looking down, it's about slipping :) |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | put on my Keen boat shoes when I go up :) |
| [07:26:00] | Ryushin: | Wear good shoes and taking you time. Oh, it's not the slipping part, its the not two story drop part. |
| [07:26:00] | Ryushin: | I think it's time now to start working on the PVR-350 card and having it work with the HD-3000 card. Can't wait. This is going to be fun. |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: you anchor yours with cables? |
| [07:27:00] | Ryushin: | Nope. Bought a little two foot tripod and used two lag bolts on each foot. |
| [07:27:00] | Ryushin: | Almost afraid to mess with it now that it's working perfectly. |
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| [07:28:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: bah, that's ghetto |
| [07:28:00] | mchou: | do the job right man. |
| [07:30:00] | Danny123: | Ryushin, I've been mapping the channels over the last hour or so. Now I have a list of all my condo's channels, with the actual xmltvids from Zap2IT. Some channels aren't in Zap2IT's listing, so going to see how that works. |
| [07:30:00] | Ryushin: | I'm running about 45% cpu right now. Overlocked my sempron 64 2600+ at 1600 mhz to 2000 mhz. That little chip has so much head room it's great. |
| [07:30:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?C . . . meth=directg |
| [07:30:00] | Ryushin: | Danny123: Don't forget to run mythfilldatabase |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | Danny123: there is a script fo that already, as I said |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | for* |
| [07:31:00] | Ryushin: | mchou: Mines cooler looking. :) |
| [07:31:00] | fryfrog: | i'm gonna *try* hd on a XP 1600+ :) |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: so? channelmaster is a better performer |
| [07:32:00] | mchou: | beats winegard any day of week |
| [07:32:00] | fryfrog: | looks like that antenna would hide against a chimney much easier |
| [07:32:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: bingo! |
| [07:32:00] | Ryushin: | I think if your closer to the signals, then it would be easier pulls in signals from more directions. Mine is very directional. |
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| [07:32:00] | Ryushin: | I'm also a hell of a long way from my signals. |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | but you can pull em in from 90 miles away? |
| [07:33:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: lol, I'm 85 miles away from my antenna farm |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | my parents lake house looks to range from 20–90 miles |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | but they are in like... TONS of different directions :/ |
| [07:33:00] | Ryushin: | Oh, then I stand corrected. |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | oh, nm |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | they arne't digital |
| [07:34:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4228.html |
| [07:35:00] | mchou: | http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html |
| [07:35:00] | fryfrog: | so it says that it has a 10–15 degree beam width... |
| [07:36:00] | fryfrog: | that won't cover 95–117 very well :/ |
| [07:38:00] | Danny123: | mchou: whats the script? |
| [07:38:00] | mchou: | Danny123: ask xris |
| [07:39:00] | Danny123: | mchou: my first question — I apologize if this may sound like a stupid question. I live in a condo (Toronto) and ZapIT messes up my channel setup completely (because my condo has a SMATV system). Whats the easiest way to fix my channel setup? |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | I forget where he put it |
| [07:39:00] | Ryushin: | Hmm... it does look like a very good antenna. |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | Danny123: use the script :) |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | Danny123: what a SMATV system, btw? |
| [07:39:00] | mchou: | what's* |
| [07:40:00] | Danny123: | SMATV = Satellite Master Antenna Television |
| [07:40:00] | Danny123: | Its like what hotels use when they have a Satellite connection coming in but want to limit the channels going to each room. |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | learn s/t new every day :) |
| [07:41:00] | Danny123: | Yup, but this thing really fk's up the listings from Zap2IT. :) |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | Danny123: looks like xris got rid of the script |
| [07:41:00] | Danny123: | oh. you chatting with him? |
| [07:41:00] | Ryushin: | Well, time to play with my pvr-350 card. |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | Danny123: maybe THE LOGIC IS IN MYTHTV NOW, DUNNO |
| [07:42:00] | Danny123: | Have fun Ryushin. |
| [07:42:00] | mchou: | opps, didnt mean caps lock |
| [07:42:00] | Danny123: | That's k. |
| [07:42:00] | Ryushin: | Thanks Danny. |
| [07:42:00] | mchou: | Danny123: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt |
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| [07:43:00] | Danny123: | ok. Thanks mchou. I'll take a look at it tomorrow. |
| [07:43:00] | Danny123: | Have to get up in 4 hours to go jogging.. *sigh*. This exercise is going to be the end of me.. lol |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | bah, jogging destroys your knees |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | take up biking instead :) |
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| [07:44:00] | mchou: | or swimming :) |
| [07:44:00] | Danny123: | not if you take it slow. |
| [07:44:00] | mchou: | ugh, what's the point of that then? :) |
| [07:45:00] | Danny123: | eh, already into rockclimbing, rowing and rollerblading. |
| [07:45:00] | Danny123: | you can't exactly go fast for 15km. |
| [07:45:00] | Danny123: | you need to keep a steady pace. |
| [07:45:00] | mchou: | on a bike you can :) |
| [07:45:00] | Danny123: | Training for a 22km run for Oct end. |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | nice |
| [07:46:00] | Danny123: | Yes, but its much easier to get run over on the road in a bike. |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | Danny123: lol |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | joggers get run over too |
| [07:46:00] | mchou: | no visibility to drivers |
| [07:46:00] | Danny123: | Some friends from work went biking to montreal.. *crazyyy* |
| [07:47:00] | mchou: | from where? |
| [07:47:00] | Danny123: | Toronto |
| [07:47:00] | mchou: | nice. |
| [07:47:00] | mchou: | that's a real trip. |
| [07:48:00] | mchou: | I'd like to bike across China :) |
| [07:48:00] | Danny123: | That would be more then insane. |
| [07:48:00] | mchou: | including the gobi desert |
| [07:49:00] | Danny123: | Ok. I really need to head to bed. |
| [07:49:00] | Danny123: | Start with the tour-de-france :) |
| [07:49:00] | mchou: | haha |
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| [07:50:00] | Danny123: | Careful though. If you're american, they might accuse you of doing drugs :D |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | nope. I look chinese :) |
| [07:50:00] | Danny123: | ha.. no problem then. |
| [07:50:00] | Danny123: | anyway.. ttyl. cya |
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| [07:58:00] | fryfrog: | okay... how does QAM work? |
| [07:59:00] | fryfrog: | in reading the comcast thread, it seems like comcast might broadcast "digital" versions of all their crappy analog channels 2–81 |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | fryfog, you're confused |
| [08:00:00] | fryfrog: | yes, very |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: trust Ryushin, qam is hardly worth bothering in most places. |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | get an antenna and get it over with |
| [08:02:00] | fryfrog: | guess i'll find out when i get my card :) |
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| [08:02:00] | Ryushin: | mchou: The same conclusion I came too. |
| [08:02:00] | fryfrog: | i assume an HDTV card would only get the HD QAM channels |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | and make sure you antenna can withstand those trpical storms |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | tropical* |
| [08:03:00] | fryfrog: | but really, one of my favorite HD channels is discovery :( |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | Ryushin: but it is good to have QAM to test i you dont have antenna :) |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | if* |
| [08:04:00] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [08:04:00] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, so antennaweb says the stations are from 95 – 117 degrees, but that site with the channel master said it was only good for 10–15 degrees... |
| [08:04:00] | fryfrog: | that means i'd need something a little less directional i assume? |
| [08:04:00] | xris: | mchou: which script? |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | the HDTV script |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | for myth and xmltvid crap |
| [08:06:00] | xris: | don't hink I moved it... but it doesn't work with svn |
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| [08:07:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . #post6177060 |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | xris: haha, that's too bad. |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | just gave ppl bad advice then :) |
| [08:07:00] | fryfrog: | i'm reading that thread now :) |
| [08:08:00] | xris: | mchou: dvb code is all different now |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: no, the post |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | xris: no doubt |
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| [08:10:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . #post6188794 |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: that ought to learn ya :) |
| [08:11:00] | fryfrog: | i'm workin on it! :) |
| [08:11:00] | SqWaw: | Hola |
| [08:12:00] | fryfrog: | i'm pretty sure that i'll end up going the antenna + directv route |
| [08:12:00] | SqWaw: | I got a question. I have the PVR-500, should I have this enabled: ? |
| [08:12:00] | SqWaw: | Use the PRV-350's TV out / MPEG Decoder |
| [08:12:00] | fryfrog: | i'm just so fed up with comcast that its not even funny |
| [08:12:00] | fryfrog: | do you *think* you should use a feature that isn't for your card and doesn't exist on your card? :) |
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| [08:13:00] | fryfrog: | the 350 can *output* to tv (vs. just input like the 250, 150 and 500) |
| [08:13:00] | SqWaw: | jeez |
| [08:13:00] | SqWaw: | you could just said my card doesn't do that |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | fryfrog: that's why I switched to Dish. |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | not to mention that it's way cheaper for me. |
| [08:13:00] | SqWaw: | i thought its mpeg encoder was multipurposefully a decoder too. |
| [08:13:00] | fryfrog: | any reason you chose dish over dtv? |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | and the digital stuff actually *is* digital (scifi "digital" on comcast here is just digitized analog) |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | fryfrog: what better reason than price/quality? |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | just under $50/month for 180 channels and 4 tuners (two dual-tuner receivers — only one in each unit works with myth since the other is RF remote) |
| [08:15:00] | fryfrog: | SqWaw: as far as i know, nothing but the 350 actually has a socket to actually *output* a tv signal |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | granted, I do occasionally wish I had firewire access to stuff. |
| [08:15:00] | fryfrog: | SqWaw: its possible (due to chip reuse being popular with computer hardware) that they all have the circuits to do output, but no actual way |
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| [08:15:00] | fryfrog: | xris: hey, thats not bad at all |
| [08:15:00] | SqWaw: | oic |
| [08:15:00] | fryfrog: | xris: i was looking at DTV, 1 HD box and 3x non-hd |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | fryfrog: it's nice for me.. and I'm always willing to share a referral card.. saves $30 or so on setup for you (last I checked) |
| [08:16:00] | fryfrog: | i've got 3x pvr-250, so i was thinking of svideo + serial |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | yeah, direct was $5/month more for the same stuff... haven't looked at the differences lately. |
| [08:16:00] | fryfrog: | and either hook the HD reciever right up to the tv or use svideo again |
| [08:16:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think ~$5 sounds right |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | I don't have anything HD, so it's not that big of a deal for me. |
| [08:17:00] | fryfrog: | though i could swear it was +$5 PER reciever |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | once you start adding extras, they all end up being the same. |
| [08:17:00] | fryfrog: | dish/dtv you mean? |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | and cable |
| [08:17:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, i'd like to add hbo/cinimax cause they have good shows |
| [08:17:00] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | in dtv's favor, my parents have had an account (and me in college) for like 6 years... |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | haha, forget recording those in HD :) |
| [08:18:00] | xris: | yeah, once you start adding the extras, the prices all start to even out around $120/month |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | and they don't fuck anything up |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | and my parents turn dtv on/off every spring/fall |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | mchou: yeah, the "hd" box only way for me to record would be svideo |
| [08:18:00] | xris: | re the $5/receiver, that's how it is.. but with the dual-tuner ones, as long as you keep them plugged into dialtone, the second tuner in each box is free. |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | or that stupid like $600 firewire hack |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | sheesh |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | xris: oh, really? |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | xris: the dual tuner ones are the PVR, right? |
| [08:19:00] | xris: | fryfrog: oh, other advantage to sat.... no state taxes. |
| [08:19:00] | xris: | mine aren't pvr. might have pvr versions, though. |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | how/why do they put 2 tuners in one non-dvr reciever? |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | pip? :) |
| [08:20:00] | xris: | basic analog cable is like $40/month with $12 or so in taxes... Dish has just under $1 in some kind of federal tax, comes out to slightly over $43/month for the first tuner. |
| [08:20:00] | fryfrog: | ahhhhh |
| [08:20:00] | fryfrog: | but you can't use both tuner's with myth? |
| [08:20:00] | xris: | fryfrog: single unit, easier to deploy, I guess. |
| [08:20:00] | xris: | they'd supposedly drag a composite cable throughout your house to hook up more tv's. |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | ohhhh, i see |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | you could... but the second tuner is controlled via rf, not ir |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | so you'd use an RF remote to change channels |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | only the first tuner has svideo, too. |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | no serial ports? |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | oh :/ |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | not on these |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | 2nd tuner is just plain old RCA? |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | yup |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | do you *use* both tuners? |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | 1 for myth... 1 for? |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | something else? |
| [08:21:00] | xris: | mythbox and tv |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [08:22:00] | xris: | rarely (never) watch tv through the mythbox. |
| [08:22:00] | qfx: | anyone know why Myth might be saying I'm using all available inputs, even though I'm not using any? |
| [08:22:00] | xris: | second box is in my office hooked up to a tv. |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | qfx: recording going on? forgot to add any inputs? |
| [08:22:00] | xris: | qfx: reboot? |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, backend / card locked :/ |
| [08:23:00] | fryfrog: | i wonder how HDTV recorded by a pvr250 over svideo would look :/ |
| [08:23:00] | qfx: | I don't have any recordings going at all :( And it says this right after a reboot |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | proabaly not too bad, really |
| [08:23:00] | fryfrog: | why can't those bastards have a digital output ! |
| [08:23:00] | xris: | fryfrog: the SD stuff looks great to me. |
| [08:23:00] | xris: | fryfrog: 169time.com |
| [08:23:00] | fryfrog: | i can throw an antenna up and get local HD programs |
| [08:24:00] | fryfrog: | that shit is like $500! |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: man, you're such a whiner |
| [08:24:00] | qfx: | OK, I'm going to try the reboot |
| [08:24:00] | xris: | fryfrog: exactly why I don't have one. |
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| [08:24:00] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [08:24:00] | xris: | my TV only cost me $350 |
| [08:24:00] | fryfrog: | sorry, its like $500 *and* you have to buy/make this "AVX1" thing |
| [08:25:00] | xris: | put into perspective, I didn't mind spending $500 on a new mixer (even though I ended up getting a $75 discount) |
| [08:25:00] | fryfrog: | mixer? |
| [08:25:00] | fryfrog: | as in, sound/audio? |
| [08:26:00] | xris: | http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=304968 |
| [08:26:00] | xris: | nope |
| [08:26:00] | xris: | need a better word for it, but "mixer" is really the only way to describe the things. |
| [08:26:00] | fryfrog: | ohhhh |
| [08:26:00] | fryfrog: | a "stand mixer" :) |
| [08:26:00] | fryfrog: | throwing in the word "kitchen" might have clarified it ;) |
| [08:27:00] | fryfrog: | my gf wants one of those :) |
| [08:27:00] | xris: | my wife's a chef... funny thing is that I wanted it more than she did. |
| [08:27:00] | xris: | so we now have the viking and a kitchenaid. |
| [08:27:00] | xris: | (since I managed to fix the KA) |
| [08:29:00] | ** xris is a bad geek, spends more money on cooking gadgets than computer toys. ** | |
| [08:30:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | I'm running out of things to buy, though. |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | other than knives, anyway. |
| [08:34:00] | fryfrog: | wow, that 169time is a pretty complex install |
| [08:34:00] | fryfrog: | i wonder what the board is doing and why it can't traslate the firewire signal w/o another pc doing the work |
| [08:36:00] | fryfrog: | ah, spiffy got a reply from dtv about their mpeg4 rollout |
| [08:37:00] | fryfrog: | they'll replace HD and HD DVR units with compatible products when they/it are available |
| [08:38:00] | xris: | not bad |
| [08:38:00] | xris: | too bad there's no good way to record HD from those things. |
| [08:39:00] | fryfrog: | yeah :( |
| [08:39:00] | fryfrog: | i'm *kinda* considering just going with DTV's HD DVR |
| [08:39:00] | fryfrog: | but i <3 myth too :/ |
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| [08:39:00] | fryfrog: | plus, their mpeg4 unit *isn't* going to be tivo based |
| [08:39:00] | qfx: | Hello helpful people |
| [08:39:00] | qfx: | So I rebooted, and I once again have video in Mythtv, but I can't change channels |
| [08:39:00] | fryfrog: | so who knows if their shit is going to be good or teh bad |
| [08:40:00] | fryfrog: | what card, how is it hooked up? |
| [08:40:00] | fryfrog: | etc? |
| [08:40:00] | qfx: | I have a Hauppauge PVR-150MCE. |
| [08:40:00] | qfx: | I can change channels etc. in ivtvctl (and ptune.pl) |
| [08:40:00] | fryfrog: | k, using tuner, rca, svideo? |
| [08:41:00] | qfx: | I can see tonnes of listings in the listings screen. I'm using the tuner input |
| [08:41:00] | qfx: | It's showing video (in Myth and mplayer) but I simply can't change channels |
| [08:41:00] | qfx: | My log has these errros all over the place, and I'm sure it's a lot to do with the problem, but I don't know what the problem is |
| [08:41:00] | fryfrog: | okay, so in your mythtv-setup (mythsetup?) did you properly bind the channel listing to the TUNER input of the card? |
| [08:41:00] | qfx: | Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "T12" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [08:42:00] | qfx: | Now that's a good question fryfrog.... how is that done? |
| [08:42:00] | fryfrog: | do you recall running the "mythsetup" program? |
| [08:42:00] | qfx: | Yes |
| [08:42:00] | fryfrog: | (i forget if its called "mythsetup" or "mythtv-setup" |
| [08:42:00] | qfx: | They actually both work |
| [08:42:00] | fryfrog: | one of the last steps (i think 2nd to last?) |
| [08:42:00] | fryfrog: | when you go in you will see ALL the inputs on ALL your cards that are setup |
| [08:43:00] | fryfrog: | a pvr probably has 3–4 svideo and rca connector "inputs" listed |
| [08:43:00] | qfx: | Ah, yes... yes. I set it to Tuner 0, which is the tuner part of the card |
| [08:43:00] | fryfrog: | and probably only one tuner0 |
| [08:43:00] | fryfrog: | you highlight that nad press enter |
| [08:43:00] | fryfrog: | and then you pick your datadirect listing (or what ever listing you use) |
| [08:43:00] | qfx: | yah, it goes rca, a few svideo settings, then tuner 0 then tuner 1 |
| [08:43:00] | qfx: | Yes, and I then got the listings from zap2it, I can see the channel guide and program listings very well |
| [08:43:00] | fryfrog: | so Tuner 0 has a listing bound to it? |
| [08:44:00] | qfx: | It looks great |
| [08:44:00] | fryfrog: | okay, is the channel change script filled in or anything? |
| [08:44:00] | qfx: | Is there a way to check without doing a mythfilldatabase? (Which I'm totally willing to do if it's the way to check) |
| [08:44:00] | fryfrog: | the way to check is to go to that screen |
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| [08:44:00] | qfx: | OK, via mythsetup. Checking now |
| [08:44:00] | fryfrog: | and see if it looks something like "/dev/v4l/video0 [TUNER 0] -> Name of Your Listing" |
| [08:45:00] | fryfrog: | (thats approx, i don't have mythsetup in front of me now) :) |
| [08:45:00] | qfx: | Under Channel editor there's all the channels |
| [08:45:00] | fryfrog: | no, not channel editor |
| [08:45:00] | fryfrog: | the one before it |
| [08:45:00] | qfx: | input source |
| [08:45:00] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [08:46:00] | fryfrog: | you see tuner 0? |
| [08:46:00] | qfx: | Should I have something in the "external Channel change command"? |
| [08:46:00] | fryfrog: | in *theory* no |
| [08:46:00] | fryfrog: | but i've not used a pvr 150 mce :/ |
| [08:46:00] | fryfrog: | but you SHOULD be okay to use ptune.pl if you really wanted |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | like umm "ptune.pl -d /dev/v4l/video0 --what-ever-the channel thing is |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | what version of ivtv are you using? |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | actually, lets start somewhere else |
| [08:47:00] | qfx: | 0.3.8. It didn't work with 0.3.9 so I recompiled .3.8 |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | lets see your dmesg output for the ivtv loading |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | k |
| [08:47:00] | fryfrog: | can you still get that from dmesg? |
| [08:48:00] | qfx: | The input connections screen shows [MPEG: /dev/video0] (Tuner 0) -> zap2it |
| [08:48:00] | qfx: | Yes.... |
| [08:48:00] | fryfrog: | put that in pastebin.com for me to read ;) |
| [08:48:00] | qfx: | (pastebin.ca)...... |
| [08:48:00] | qfx: | sorry, just trying to get to the relevant part |
| [08:49:00] | fryfrog: | its pretty easy to re-see if you can't get it |
| [08:49:00] | fryfrog: | just rmmod all the ivtv stuff |
| [08:49:00] | fryfrog: | and modprobe it |
| [08:49:00] | fryfrog: | you can use "dmesg -c" to clear dmsg and make it even easier to see |
| [08:49:00] | qfx: | ooo.. never used that before |
| [08:49:00] | qfx: | http://pastebin.ca/23838 |
| [08:50:00] | qfx: | I CAN change channels with ptune.pl and see the changes in mplayer |
| [08:50:00] | fryfrog: | then you *could* use that as your "external channel change script" |
| [08:50:00] | fryfrog: | if you like |
| [08:51:00] | fryfrog: | your dmesg looks fine to me |
| [08:51:00] | fryfrog: | i'm not sure why myth can't change chans internally... are you using 0.18.1 or SVN? |
| [08:51:00] | qfx: | if I make a change in the settings, should I do a mythfilldatabase? (Like changing that setting to link Tuner 0 to zap2it) |
| [08:51:00] | fryfrog: | nah |
| [08:51:00] | qfx: | 0.18 |
| [08:51:00] | fryfrog: | mythfill is only to get channel listings data |
| [08:51:00] | qfx: | Yah, and they show up in there already |
| [08:51:00] | fryfrog: | did you compile from source or use binaries? |
| [08:52:00] | qfx: | I used the rpms from atrpms |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | here is my guess: |
| [08:53:00] | qfx: | putting ptune.pl in there didn't help. |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | the PVR-150 came out around the same time as 0.18.1 so support *may* not be 100% for the pvr150 |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | in fact, i'd guess it isn't close to 100% for it :) |
| [08:53:00] | qfx: | lol |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | what did you put? |
| [08:53:00] | qfx: | ptune.pl |
| [08:53:00] | qfx: | It's in /usr/bin/ |
| [08:53:00] | qfx: | I should qualify that eh? |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | you'd need the *exact* command like "ptune.pl -d /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [08:54:00] | fryfrog: | myth will probably just do "<the shit you put>" + " <chan number>" |
| [08:54:00] | qfx: | Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "1" in the "setup" Channel Editor. |
| [08:54:00] | qfx: | OK, I'll qualify it, and put in the device as well |
| [08:54:00] | fryfrog: | does ptune.pl require a --option for channel #? |
| [08:54:00] | qfx: | Now how would I go about installing the SVN ? (That's the subversion part right?) |
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| [08:55:00] | qfx: | when I use ptune.pl from the command line I just type "ptune.pl 6" and it changes to channel 6 |
| [08:55:00] | qfx: | I only have the one device |
| [08:55:00] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [08:55:00] | fryfrog: | then in theory that should have worked :/ |
| [08:55:00] | fryfrog: | okay, so do you actually HAVE a channel 1? |
| [08:55:00] | fryfrog: | maybe your start channel should be 2 or 3 instead of 1? |
| [08:55:00] | fryfrog: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [08:56:00] | fryfrog: | that has instructions for checking out the source |
| [08:56:00] | fryfrog: | and from there, i think its mianly just a ./configure and make on all 3 |
| [08:56:00] | fryfrog: | course, you might need to adjust some ./configure --options to your liking |
| [08:56:00] | qfx: | I'm happy to take the defaults if it should work |
| [08:57:00] | fryfrog: | well, the defaults install to like /usr/local/ i think |
| [08:57:00] | fryfrog: | i dislike that, but to each their own :) |
| [08:57:00] | fryfrog: | the *first* thing i would do is a mysqldump of your db, so you can roll back if you like :) |
| [08:57:00] | qfx: | But the problem might be the mysql part :( |
| [08:57:00] | fryfrog: | "mysqldump --opt -u mythtv -p mythconverg | bzip2 > /home/mythtv/backup.sql.bz2" |
| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | i doubt it |
| [08:58:00] | qfx: | and recompiling the myth part shouldn't matter for that should it? Or is there a new schema? |
| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | qfx: you can always clear your db if you like, but keeping a backup should save you some time :) |
| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | new db scheme |
| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | it'll *upgrade* your db fine |
| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | but if you decide you *don't* like SVN... you'd have to start over from scratch w/o a db backup :) |
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| [08:58:00] | fryfrog: | as an aside, i make hourly db backups :) |
| [08:59:00] | qfx: | wow |
| [09:00:00] | qfx: | I've had to remake the db a couple of times. I'm 50/50 thinking it's actually a db problem |
| [09:01:00] | qfx: | I'm getting the source right now |
| [09:01:00] | qfx: | so is it going to just be a "make" "make install"? |
| [09:01:00] | qfx: | Hmmm... OK, trying to get the DB backup, I get this error |
| [09:02:00] | qfx: | mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| [09:02:00] | qfx: | so maybe I have a serious db connection issue? |
| [09:05:00] | fryfrog: | what mysql info did you use? |
| [09:05:00] | fryfrog: | usename of "mythtv" and pw of "mythtv |
| [09:06:00] | qfx: | yup |
| [09:06:00] | fryfrog: | if your fe works, you just screwed up the info |
| [09:07:00] | qfx: | you're 100% right. I misstyped the pw |
| [09:07:00] | qfx: | OK, I have the 3 code branches downloaded |
| [09:07:00] | fryfrog: | fire off a "./configure --help" and see the options |
| [09:08:00] | qfx: | That is a lot of optoins |
| [09:09:00] | qfx: | actually... I don't see anything in there specific to me. Should I siable some of the things I know I don't need? It seems to have built in ivtv etc. |
| [09:09:00] | qfx: | and should I stop the backend before I do this? I suppose so eh |
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| [09:23:00] | qfx: | hmmm... wonder how long this compile willt ake |
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| [09:32:00] | Ryushin: | Anyone still up? :) |
| [09:33:00] | Ryushin: | I plugged in my xmlid into my scanned HD channels, but they are not populating the program guide. |
| [09:36:00] | Ryushin: | Guess not. Off to bed then. By all. |
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| [09:52:00] | ShockValue: | well that sucks.. i ordered a pay-per-view movie tonight on my non-mythtv box, went out to the living room to record it, only to relize that i only works on the box that I ordred it from |
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| [09:55:00] | zfc: | anyone got ConvertX up and running? |
| [09:55:00] | zfc: | i managed but the tuning isnt working... |
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| [10:28:00] | fryfrog: | qfx: still around? |
| [10:28:00] | fryfrog: | qfx: you should probably disable the things you don't use, but i think the "ivtv" support is for channel changing and such? |
| [10:32:00] | fryfrog: | it looks like a directivo can be modded to do just about everything myth can that *i* use, but i wonder if it can do NFS mounting :/ |
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| [12:28:00] | glen___: | hi. anyone have handy commandline to convert .nuv to .avi? |
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| [12:31:00] | fryfrog: | nuvexport |
| [12:31:00] | Chipdancer: | good evening people |
| [12:31:00] | Chipdancer: | I see we have a lot of activity at the moment? |
| [12:32:00] | Chipdancer: | I'm wondering if anybody here has any experience with correcting program schedule timezones |
| [12:32:00] | fryfrog: | more than that one time in panama with the 6 hookers and the elephant |
| [12:32:00] | Chipdancer: | (I'm having issues with mythweb and frontend displaying programs without correcting the timezone of the xmltv data which is imported as GMT) |
| [12:32:00] | glen___: | fryfrog: imean wholecommandline,not justprogram:( |
| [12:33:00] | fryfrog: | install nuvexport, type "nuvexport" and follow the magic yellow brick road |
| [12:33:00] | glen___: | sorryfor the space, it's broken:) |
| [12:33:00] | fryfrog: | its okay, you should keep "that stuff" from getting in your kb :) |
| [12:34:00] | glen___: | i don't knowwhat happenedto it, just oneday it works fromonly onecorner |
| [12:34:00] | glen___: | maybe i slept on it, hehe,as i have keyboard near bed:) |
| [12:35:00] | fryfrog: | do you have a hardware mpeg2 card? |
| [12:35:00] | fryfrog: | pvr 150/250/350/500? |
| [12:35:00] | glen___: | i have some old bttv, so no mpeg2 |
| [12:35:00] | fryfrog: | ah, nm then |
| [12:36:00] | fryfrog: | with *those* cards you simply can rename .nuv to .mpg |
| [12:36:00] | fryfrog: | but for bttv, you'll need to install nuvexport and use it |
| [12:36:00] | glen___: | i added somepatchfrom gentoo, which was called mythtv,but mplayer .nuv crashes mplayer |
| [12:36:00] | fryfrog: | its cause its some funky mjpeg inside a .nuv container file |
| [12:36:00] | glen___: | i found transcode, it'sdifferent? |
| [12:37:00] | fryfrog: | yes |
| [12:37:00] | glen___: | becausetranscode wasreally complex |
| [12:37:00] | fryfrog: | "emerge nuvexport" |
| [12:37:00] | fryfrog: | it has an easy ncurses type menu to walk you through it all |
| [12:37:00] | fryfrog: | oh, wait do you use gentoo? |
| [12:37:00] | glen___: | so i can edit the cutpoints too? |
| [12:37:00] | fryfrog: | or you just found a gentoo patch? |
| [12:38:00] | fryfrog: | it can load the comm flag cutlist |
| [12:38:00] | glen___: | nevermind,i'll handlethat,willtakeebuildand makerpm :) |
| [12:38:00] | glen___: | thx for the info :) |
| [12:39:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: did you try the ummm, time offset thing? |
| [12:39:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: yes |
| [12:39:00] | fryfrog: | i think it has none, auto and any 30min increment you want? |
| [12:40:00] | Chipdancer: | after reading specific instructions regarding it too |
| [12:40:00] | fryfrog: | no luck? |
| [12:40:00] | Chipdancer: | the data comes in xmltv as GMT (correctly) |
| [12:40:00] | Chipdancer: | no luck |
| [12:40:00] | fryfrog: | then i'm not sure i understand the problem? |
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| [12:41:00] | Chipdancer: | it's actually the same regardless as to whether I've got it set to Auto or +1000 |
| [12:41:00] | fryfrog: | you are not GMT? |
| [12:41:00] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [12:41:00] | T`: | hey guys... anyone got winmyth to work ? |
| [12:41:00] | Chipdancer: | all programs are being displayed 10 hours too early |
| [12:41:00] | T`: | i can get program listsing and such, but can't watch TV |
| [12:41:00] | fryfrog: | krikey, 10 hours to early? |
| [12:41:00] | beavis: | [12:40] <beavis> Ticket #12: Convert UI to use libmythui |
| [12:41:00] | beavis: | [12:40] <beavis> * milestone: 0.19 => 0.20 |
| [12:41:00] | T`: | it just throws some exception if i click on Live TV |
| [12:41:00] | fryfrog: | whats that beavis? |
| [12:41:00] | Chipdancer: | yes.. I'm GMT+1000, the xmltv data is correctly defined in GMT (so a program that's due to run at 1000 here has a time setting to start at 0000) |
| [12:42:00] | beavis: | fryfrog: this means 0.19 will be released soon |
| [12:42:00] | fryfrog: | i don't know anything about xmltv sorry :( |
| [12:42:00] | fryfrog: | beavis: super duper! |
| [12:42:00] | Chipdancer: | but its' displaying all programs 10 hours too early and I'm not sure why |
| [12:43:00] | beavis: | fryfrog: without the new UI it won't take so long |
| [12:43:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: do I need to run mythfilldatabase after changing the timezone offset in the mythtvsetup->general settings? |
| [12:43:00] | fryfrog: | oh, so the new ui is being moved to 0.2 release? |
| [12:43:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: i dunno, i've never used xmltv. can't hurt i spose? |
| [12:43:00] | Chipdancer: | beavis: do you knwo a rough timeframe after that? |
| [12:43:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: what do you use? |
| [12:43:00] | fryfrog: | datadirect :) |
| [12:44:00] | Chipdancer: | ahh, you're in the usa? |
| [12:44:00] | fryfrog: | until someone pays me to leave :) |
| [12:45:00] | Chipdancer: | well, in regards to tvguide data, you're very lucky |
| [12:45:00] | fryfrog: | i can't disagree there :0 |
| [12:45:00] | Chipdancer: | well, you see my dilemma then? |
| [12:45:00] | fryfrog: | yeah :( |
| [12:45:00] | Chipdancer: | everything is all peachy except *this* |
| [12:45:00] | Chipdancer: | I can even play live tv over the network on my mac running mythfrontend (and presumably the xbox) |
| [12:45:00] | fryfrog: | why can't you get xmltv listings that are in *your* timezone and not GMT? |
| [12:46:00] | fryfrog: | also, what is your hardware clock and system timezone set to? |
| [12:46:00] | fryfrog: | and do you use something like ntp-client/ntpd to keep it accurate? |
| [12:46:00] | Chipdancer: | it's just the timezone it's set to |
| [12:46:00] | Chipdancer: | it's all correct, you just correct the for the timezone/time and it's exactly right |
| [12:47:00] | fryfrog: | okay, but are you sure your system's timezone is right? |
| [12:47:00] | fryfrog: | like, /etc/localtime |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | as I said, a program scheduled for say, 2000–2200 +1000 is in the xmltv as 1000–2200 GMT |
| [12:47:00] | fryfrog: | in gentoo its a symlink to ummm |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | running FC4 |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | the system time is accurate |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | my shell has TZ=Australia/Brisbane |
| [12:47:00] | fryfrog: | /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | I'm not sure what else I should be considering |
| [12:47:00] | Chipdancer: | this is FC4 |
| [12:47:00] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [12:48:00] | fryfrog: | well, FC sure as heck prolly has the file "/etc/localtime" |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | it does |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | it's binary |
| [12:48:00] | fryfrog: | what does "ls -alh /etc/localtime" say? |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | let me compare with the correct one |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 160 Sep 25 05:24 /etc/localtime |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | it's not a symlink |
| [12:48:00] | Chipdancer: | which I assume is what you were after |
| [12:48:00] | fryfrog: | sorta |
| [12:49:00] | fryfrog: | but if you say your timezone is set right, i dunno enough about FC4 to tell :) |
| [12:49:00] | Chipdancer: | cmp /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Brisbane |
| [12:49:00] | Chipdancer: | they are the same |
| [12:49:00] | fryfrog: | did you try running mythfilldatabase after updating that offset setting? |
| [12:49:00] | Chipdancer: | I've kinda gathered that this is all correct |
| [12:49:00] | fryfrog: | and does "auto" work? |
| [12:49:00] | fryfrog: | sounds like you are right |
| [12:49:00] | Chipdancer: | yep, after Auto and +1000... now I'm trying None (so no correction) |
| [12:49:00] | Chipdancer: | then I will try -1000 |
| [12:50:00] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [12:50:00] | Chipdancer: | I'm not sure you are aware of weirdness in TZ nomenclature... |
| [12:50:00] | fryfrog: | i'm not quite sure i understand why xmltv is pulling data that is on GMT :) |
| [12:50:00] | Chipdancer: | because America is the centre of the world, Australia can often be considered -1000 instead of +1000 because it's on the other side of GMT from the USA |
| [12:50:00] | Chipdancer: | so, I'll see if that works it out |
| [12:50:00] | fryfrog: | but then again, i don't know a damn thing about xmltv |
| [12:51:00] | fryfrog: | is that +/- 10 hours btw? |
| [12:51:00] | Chipdancer: | yes |
| [12:51:00] | Chipdancer: | +/- HHMM |
| [12:51:00] | fryfrog: | and that field, is it in hours or minutes? |
| [12:51:00] | fryfrog: | i saw it and *thought* i flipped it to 30min before going back to auto while i was poking around |
| [12:51:00] | Chipdancer: | though, some tools expect +/- MMM so, I'd be +600 or -600 |
| [12:52:00] | fryfrog: | but maybe you mean 10 |
| [12:52:00] | fryfrog: | yes! :) |
| [12:52:00] | Chipdancer: | in this instance it's +/- HHMM |
| [12:52:00] | fryfrog: | i though *maybe* you were just translating that field for me |
| [12:52:00] | Chipdancer: | no.. as it is |
| [12:52:00] | fryfrog: | i spose i'd try 600m |
| [12:52:00] | fryfrog: | it should be easy to see |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | does it go "30->60->90" ? |
| [12:53:00] | Chipdancer: | no need.. it's a toggle, not a typed entry field |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | right |
| [12:53:00] | Chipdancer: | 0030-0100–0130 |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | ah, so .... |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | it was doing hr:mm |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | so 1000 was right |
| [12:53:00] | Chipdancer: | yes |
| [12:53:00] | fryfrog: | kick its ass :) |
| [12:54:00] | Chipdancer: | so, None has failed |
| [12:54:00] | ** Chipdancer now tries -1000 and sees if that works ** | |
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| [12:57:00] | Chipdancer: | just running mythfilldatabase now |
| [12:58:00] | fryfrog: | what i wonder is where time time correction takes place |
| [12:58:00] | fryfrog: | does it happen when its inserted into the db |
| [12:58:00] | fryfrog: | or does it happen every time the data is pulled *from* the db |
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| [12:58:00] | fryfrog: | if its the first, mythfill doesn't replace existing data does it? so you might not end up with *new* data |
| [12:59:00] | fryfrog: | if its the second... mythfill wouldn't matter |
| [13:04:00] | fryfrog: | anyone know much about directv? |
| [13:09:00] | T`: | anyone here have experience with dsMyth or winmyth?? I'm trying to get my mythtv frontend on a remote windows machine |
| [13:10:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: just been reading mailing list archives and it seems the correction happens party by mythfilldatabase |
| [13:10:00] | Chipdancer: | sorry T`, I've only used linux, osX and xbox/xbmc+mythscript |
| [13:11:00] | Chipdancer: | I considered winmyth/dsmyth but it was really unstable back when I was interested |
| [13:11:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: maybe you need to clear out the data BEFORE you sync? |
| [13:11:00] | fryfrog: | or tell it to retrieve *all* data instead of just like, today and the next day? |
| [13:11:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: and is there a simple way to do taht? |
| [13:11:00] | fryfrog: | (or how ever it decides what to fetch) |
| [13:11:00] | Chipdancer: | it's all same day, so it's reretrieving it and updating |
| [13:11:00] | fryfrog: | try mythfilldatabase --help :) |
| [13:11:00] | Chipdancer: | (noting specific update messages) |
| [13:11:00] | fryfrog: | oh :? |
| [13:12:00] | fryfrog: | i mean :( |
| [13:13:00] | T`: | Chipdancer, aah i c.. thanks :) |
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| [13:33:00] | glen___: | damn, i can't build divx4linux required for nuvexport as it doesn't exist for amd64 |
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| [13:34:00] | laga: | how is divx4linux required for nuvexport? |
| [13:34:00] | glen___: | it's in Requires: line in a .spec |
| [13:34:00] | laga: | remove it then |
| [13:35:00] | glen___: | optional dependency? |
| [13:35:00] | laga: | you only need it for divx export, iirc |
| [13:37:00] | glen___: | what abouv lve? |
| [13:37:00] | laga: | dunno |
| [13:38:00] | laga: | needed for mpeg2 -> mpeg2 iirc |
| [13:38:00] | glen___: | lve stands for linux video editor, also dep on nuvexport |
| [13:42:00] | glen___: | great. exporting :) |
| [13:43:00] | fryfrog: | wtf, oj simpson was stealing satalite??? |
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| [13:49:00] | m4lu7: | yeh. |
| [13:49:00] | m4lu7: | better that than killing people, though. |
| [13:50:00] | fryfrog: | true |
| [13:50:00] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [13:50:00] | fryfrog: | but wtf... why as a celebrity would you steal satalite :/ |
| [13:50:00] | fryfrog: | i can understand if you are like, poor and shit |
| [13:51:00] | fryfrog: | or maybe you can afford sat, but not all the extras... |
| [13:51:00] | m4lu7: | Why, as a celebrity, would you murder your ex-wife and her lover? |
| [13:51:00] | fryfrog: | nah, thats easier to understand than stealing sat :) |
| [13:51:00] | m4lu7: | Especially in L.A. ... there's more tail to chase in that town... |
| [13:52:00] | fryfrog: | crime of passion, etc etc |
| [13:53:00] | m4lu7: | here's the answer to all questions "orenthal"... He's a piece of garbage, human refuse, et al |
| [13:54:00] | ** m4lu7 goes back to stealing mp3's en masse from alt.binaries.* ** | |
| [13:55:00] | fryfrog: | ahahhah |
| [13:55:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: looks like there's a bug in mythfilldatabase not correctly interpreting times missing timezone info |
| [13:55:00] | fryfrog: | hey, what is a pirate's favorite letter! |
| [13:55:00] | m4lu7: | b |
| [13:55:00] | fryfrog: | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! |
| [13:56:00] | m4lu7: | haha |
| [13:56:00] | m4lu7: | great commercial. |
| [13:56:00] | Chipdancer: | the xmltv standard says that if there is no timezone data on the times, then it must be interpreted as GMT, however, it appears that there's a bug in the 18.1 release version of mythfilldatabase |
| [13:56:00] | ** Chipdancer is trying with another option set ** | |
| [13:56:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [13:56:00] | m4lu7: | "Is that all you say, 'Arrrrr'?" |
| [13:56:00] | m4lu7: | "Arrrrrrr." |
| [13:56:00] | fryfrog: | ARRRR! |
| [13:56:00] | fryfrog: | i heard a good joke the other day |
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| [13:56:00] | Chipdancer: | TLAPD was last week week! |
| [13:56:00] | fryfrog: | but it is quite offensive |
| [13:56:00] | Chipdancer: | sheesh :) |
| [13:56:00] | fryfrog: | anyone have tender ears? |
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| [13:57:00] | Rince: | Hiho |
| [13:57:00] | fryfrog: | So this priest is out walking in a mountiany area and comes accross a little girl near a road and sharp drop off |
| [13:57:00] | fryfrog: | she is crying, and the priest asks "little girl, why are you crying?" |
| [13:58:00] | fryfrog: | and the girl replies that her parents car just rolled over the cliff with them in it and it exploded when it hit the ground |
| [13:58:00] | fryfrog: | the priest looks at her and starts taking off his robe and says "little girl, this just isn't your day" |
| [13:58:00] | m4lu7: | hmm. |
| [13:59:00] | fryfrog: | how bout this... |
| [13:59:00] | fryfrog: | What do you give the pedophile who has everything? |
| [13:59:00] | fryfrog: | a bigger parish :) |
| [13:59:00] | m4lu7: | hmm. |
| [13:59:00] | m4lu7: | don't quit your day job |
| [13:59:00] | fryfrog: | thats funny! |
| [13:59:00] | fryfrog: | and i work at night :( |
| [14:01:00] | m4lu7: | Anyone have any insight on why Via boards suck so much? |
| [14:01:00] | Rince: | is here anyone using nuvexport on Linux+amd64? |
| [14:01:00] | Rince: | m4lu7: which via boards exactly? |
| [14:01:00] | fryfrog: | i just compiled it on my gentoo box, but haven't used it |
| [14:01:00] | m4lu7: | it's killing me, this cle266. |
| [14:02:00] | m4lu7: | Rince, i've got two Epia-M boards, trying to figure out why S-video output (specifically XVideo) looks like an inverted image (it's not inverted, but that's the best way i can describe it) |
| [14:03:00] | m4lu7: | I'm using the stock xorg 6.8.2 drivers, trying to avoid the nightmarish viaarena shite because I don't run their "supported" os (bastards, via sucks(!)) |
| [14:03:00] | m4lu7: | VGA output is fine; s-video output is fine until i play a video back with xv/x11 driver, and bam. picture goes whack. tried taking fb support out, tried not using drm, nada. shite image. |
| [14:04:00] | fryfrog: | i thought those boards had a special driver made by someone else? |
| [14:04:00] | Rince: | m4lu7: hm. I _guess_ that the machine is too slow to se it... |
| [14:04:00] | m4lu7: | there's the unichrome driver, but as far as I can tell, much of it's been ported into a) kernel b) xorg/x11 already |
| [14:04:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:04:00] | m4lu7: | Rince, nah, nothing to do with that. it's driver releated |
| [14:04:00] | Rince: | but I dont know, to be honest... I have a MII-10000 board but I switched it in favour of a amd64-system |
| [14:05:00] | m4lu7: | Then, there's the "via" driver provided at viaarena.com, but most of that was swiped from the OSS unichrome project anyway. |
| [14:05:00] | m4lu7: | Problem is, they don't provide anything but an installer which looks like it was written by a 5 year old, |
| [14:06:00] | Rince: | m4lu7: and it doesn't work? |
| [14:06:00] | m4lu7: | and it supports only *very* specific version of kernel & x. a real fubar. |
| [14:07:00] | Rince: | and no source? |
| [14:07:00] | m4lu7: | nope. |
| [14:07:00] | Rince: | bad |
| [14:07:00] | m4lu7: | just precompiled (Yeah, tell me about it) DRM modules for kernel |
| [14:08:00] | Rince: | bad bad bad... |
| [14:08:00] | m4lu7: | there *may* be source available, but i'll be damned if i can find it anyway, their site, viaarena.com, SUCKS the hairy balls of a 10-day dead & bloated river yak |
| [14:08:00] | Rince: | I know |
| [14:08:00] | Rince: | I know how I cried when I tried that last year |
| [14:08:00] | fryfrog: | i gave up on via |
| [14:09:00] | m4lu7: | i've seen posts on the forums (forums.viaarena.com) from people who've wiped their boxes just to put via's "supported" os, FC3, and then, it still doesn't work |
| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | last one i got was kt133 :) |
| [14:09:00] | Rince: | (that's also a reason why I switched to a shuttle box + amd64) |
| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | nforce kicks via's ass |
| [14:09:00] | m4lu7: | i need a mini-itx solution, with accelerated video. suggestions (other than via)? |
| [14:09:00] | Rince: | shuttle? |
| [14:09:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: ever tried installing on a nv raid system? |
| [14:09:00] | fryfrog: | some mini itx nforce board with an amd mobile? |
| [14:09:00] | Chipdancer: | (sata raid1 on an nforce board) |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: i'm using two built in sata boards now |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | but *not* in raid mode |
| [14:10:00] | Chipdancer: | ahh |
| [14:10:00] | m4lu7: | fryfrog, how's nforce support under 2.6 tree? i've read lots of "hate" posts about it |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | software raid cause it spans both controlers |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | m4lu7: i haven't had *any* problems at all |
| [14:10:00] | Chipdancer: | on another machine, a shuttle SN45Gv3, I've got FC4 crashing while loading the nv raid driver |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | my only minor complaint with *my* board is that the sil controller is probed before nv |
| [14:10:00] | m4lu7: | what kernel, what version of x, and most specifically, does it's accelerated x-drivers function properly? |
| [14:10:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: don't bother with any built in "raid" |
| [14:11:00] | Chipdancer: | why? |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | it is all software raid anyway, just use linux's built in software raid |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | i have a 5 disk, 1.2TB raid5 using software |
| [14:11:00] | Chipdancer: | it's software raid anyhow? not really.. there's still hardware management of it, such that if a drive fails, you rebuild from bios rather than software |
| [14:11:00] | fryfrog: | and cpu usage during heavy read/write by the raid driver is only like 2–4% |
| [14:12:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: sure, it hides it from you... but what do you think does all the actual raid "processing"? |
| [14:12:00] | fryfrog: | its your cpu |
| [14:12:00] | Chipdancer: | well, with proper hardware raid, which looks similar, it's hidden and is hardware |
| [14:12:00] | fryfrog: | unless your "raid" has ram and its own processor, its just software raid |
| [14:12:00] | Chipdancer: | at least this way, given it's a dual boot machine, it's the same interface/setup for both os' |
| [14:13:00] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah sure it can have advantages :) |
| [14:13:00] | Chipdancer: | :) |
| [14:13:00] | fryfrog: | it is nice to access via bios and such |
| [14:13:00] | Chipdancer: | and a consistent interface for win/lin |
| [14:13:00] | ** Chipdancer gets his 2 AAR2410SA-ENC kits tomorrow ** | |
| [14:13:00] | fryfrog: | but to its un-favor... |
| [14:14:00] | fryfrog: | if your raid controller fails, you can only move (if lucky) to identical hardware |
| [14:14:00] | Rince: | *nod* |
| [14:14:00] | Rince: | I know why I stopped using raid-1 in my home-machines |
| [14:14:00] | fryfrog: | i can use any sata controller made :) |
| [14:14:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: have you built IDE/PATA raid1 root/boot system? |
| [14:14:00] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [14:14:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: but with the nforce chipsets, I'm unlikely to move |
| [14:14:00] | Rince: | I prefer a nightly mount and rsync from one harddrive to another. |
| [14:14:00] | fryfrog: | my /boot and / are raid1 |
| [14:14:00] | fryfrog: | and my 1.2TB is raid5 |
| [14:15:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: I've got (yet another) box which installed fine but is refusing to boot claiming, 'cannot load operating system' |
| [14:15:00] | fryfrog: | of course, it doesn't read /boot as "raid" at boot time |
| [14:15:00] | PatrickDK: | nightly mount and rsync only protects you from yourself |
| [14:15:00] | PatrickDK: | not hardware failure |
| [14:15:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: make sure you compiled in the raid controller support in kernel? |
| [14:15:00] | Rince: | PatrickDK: yes and no |
| [14:15:00] | fryfrog: | or does it not even get that far |
| [14:15:00] | fryfrog: | Rince: rsnapshot |
| [14:15:00] | Rince: | fryfrog: or that |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | i use rsnapshot to backup everything to my raid :) |
| [14:16:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: it's not getting to grub |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | and i keep an offsite backup of my pics via rsync |
| [14:16:00] | Chipdancer: | and booting rescue and running grub doesn't help much |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | and another on a usb removable :) |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | Chipdancer: sounds like bios suckage? |
| [14:16:00] | m4lu7: | hmm. google isn't giving up much regarding mini-itx & nforce. any specific model i should be searching for? |
| [14:16:00] | Chipdancer: | grub> find /grub/stage1Segmentation Fault |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | newegg has an awsome interface |
| [14:17:00] | fryfrog: | just plug in "mini-atx" (or what ever) and see what pops up |
| [14:17:00] | fryfrog: | or did you want a case + mb type deal? |
| [14:18:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: don't believe so... |
| [14:18:00] | Rince: | ok, rsnapshot is more or less the same utility I wrote for myself ;) |
| [14:18:00] | Chipdancer: | any suggestions on how to test? |
| [14:18:00] | fryfrog: | can you boot *any* hard drive? |
| [14:18:00] | fryfrog: | like, with windows? |
| [14:18:00] | Chipdancer: | oh, FC3 worked fine on it... not in mdraid raid1 config |
| [14:18:00] | Chipdancer: | and this will probably work fine in that mode.. but I'd prefer it running as raid1 |
| [14:19:00] | fryfrog: | wait, i'm confused |
| [14:19:00] | fryfrog: | you know you can't install grub to a /dev/mdX device, right? |
| [14:19:00] | fryfrog: | well, i mean you can but... its gonna end up as like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| [14:19:00] | Chipdancer: | stage2 can be, surely |
| [14:19:00] | fryfrog: | (or hda blah blah) |
| [14:19:00] | Chipdancer: | yes.. stage1 goes on /dev/hda and /dev/hdb |
| [14:19:00] | Chipdancer: | (my scsi system is running like this and is just fine) |
| [14:19:00] | fryfrog: | mirrors are simple anyway |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | but you can't point grub to /dev/mdX |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | your grub.conf entries (not that you make it that far) have to point to an actual drive |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | but if your BIOS is telling you no OS found, you have something simpler |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | like maybe your partition isn't marked active |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | (bootable?) |
| [14:20:00] | fryfrog: | i'd think that "grub" then like "root(hd0,0)" "setup(hd0)" would do it? |
| [14:21:00] | fryfrog: | course, you could always go with lilo |
| [14:21:00] | Chipdancer: | I used to prefer lilo... |
| [14:21:00] | Chipdancer: | not sure it actually supports md0 and xfs, yeah? |
| [14:21:00] | Chipdancer: | (oh, I tend to prefer xfs everywhere) |
| [14:21:00] | fryfrog: | as long as your /boot is ext2/3 you'd be fine |
| [14:21:00] | fryfrog: | though i've no idea bout xfs and lilo |
| [14:22:00] | fryfrog: | lilo NOR grub actually support raid1 |
| [14:22:00] | fryfrog: | it just happens that a raid 1 disk is nothing special, you can read it just like a normal disk |
| [14:22:00] | fryfrog: | mounting /dev/md0 would show you the same shit as /dev/hda |
| [14:23:00] | PatrickDK: | why raid1 is so handy |
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| [14:23:00] | fryfrog: | why is it? |
| [14:24:00] | PatrickDK: | cause it doesn't take any thought to use it |
| [14:24:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, are you asking? |
| [14:24:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [14:24:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, its nice and simple |
| [14:24:00] | PatrickDK: | unlike any stripped system |
| [14:24:00] | fryfrog: | if you have a failure, you can always just grab the working disk and use it like normal |
| [14:24:00] | PatrickDK: | you really only need support when writing to it |
| [14:26:00] | fryfrog: | haha, i was just looking at /proc/mdstat and couldn't remember why the hell i had 3 raid 1s and not just 2 |
| [14:27:00] | fryfrog: | i forgot about swap :) |
| [14:27:00] | PatrickDK: | oh |
| [14:27:00] | PatrickDK: | I have 3 raid1's |
| [14:27:00] | PatrickDK: | and those are joinedwith raid0 |
| [14:27:00] | fryfrog: | why? |
| [14:27:00] | PatrickDK: | database |
| [14:27:00] | fryfrog: | ah, teh speed? |
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| [14:27:00] | PatrickDK: | need the seek speed |
| [14:27:00] | fryfrog: | all software? |
| [14:28:00] | PatrickDK: | hardware scsi 15k |
| [14:28:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [14:28:00] | fryfrog: | so, if you take 6 drives and do a raid 10 |
| [14:28:00] | fryfrog: | is it 3 drives in a raid 0, mirrored with another 3 drives in raid 0? |
| [14:28:00] | PatrickDK: | you could |
| [14:28:00] | fryfrog: | or is it 3 sets of raid 1 (2 drives each) all raid0'd? |
| [14:28:00] | PatrickDK: | but most hardware raids make you do the raid0 last |
| [14:28:00] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [14:29:00] | fryfrog: | i think the first would be far less fault tolerant |
| [14:29:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, but only by a bit |
| [14:29:00] | fryfrog: | and i think the second would be more fault tolerant and faster |
| [14:29:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, by a very small faction :) |
| [14:29:00] | PatrickDK: | the only real difference is what kind of speed proformance your looking at |
| [14:29:00] | fryfrog: | you could get lucky and lose 3 drives and be okay in both cases |
| [14:29:00] | PatrickDK: | ya |
| [14:30:00] | fryfrog: | or bad luck and lose 2 drives and lose it all :) |
| [14:30:00] | PatrickDK: | I also have a raid50 of 6 drives, two raid5 of 3 drives, raid0 |
| [14:30:00] | fryfrog: | ahh, neat |
| [14:30:00] | PatrickDK: | that is just for generic os crap |
| [14:30:00] | fryfrog: | speed up the raid5 a bit? |
| [14:31:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, keep it moving along |
| [14:31:00] | PatrickDK: | all the users home dir's are on it |
| [14:31:00] | PatrickDK: | not so speed sensitive as the database |
| [14:31:00] | Philipp_: | hello, have you ever seen this error: http://pastebin.com/373641 ? |
| [14:32:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, your using te wrong gcc |
| [14:33:00] | glen___: | /usr/lib64/libxvidcore.so: undefined symbol: xvid_initFailed to init XviD codec[transcode] warning : (encoder.c) video export module error: init failed |
| [14:33:00] | glen___: | [transcode] critical: failed to init encoder |
| [14:33:00] | glen___: | was trying to nuvexport with transcode,as ffmpeg didn't offer divx |
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| [14:35:00] | fryfrog: | http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_48958.jpg |
| [14:35:00] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [14:36:00] | Philipp_: | PatrickDK is there a fix? |
| [14:36:00] | PatrickDK: | use a gcc of 3.4 or lower |
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| [14:45:00] | Chipdancer: | fryfrog: I thought there was specific support for raid1 in grub |
| [14:51:00] | m4lu7: | insult: I buy girlfriend Ipod mini |
| [14:51:00] | m4lu7: | injury: 31 days later, nano is released :) |
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| [14:51:00] | m4lu7: | target says, "Tough shit. can't return it now." ahrhg |
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| [14:53:00] | whyz: | anyone here using multiple ir receivers and remotes with lirc? |
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| [15:04:00] | orb_rox: | whyz: multiple, on the same, or different boxes? I forward requests from some, to frontends existing on diff boxes |
| [15:04:00] | whyz: | on the same.. i've got one home-made receiver (which i've used for a long time) and the built-in receiver of my hauppauge 350.. |
| [15:05:00] | orb_rox: | whyz: I see. And lirc_i2c and lirc_serial are loaded .. what's the question? |
| [15:05:00] | PatrickDK: | you need to run multible copies of lircd |
| [15:06:00] | whyz: | yeah they're both loaded.. though i only have one lircd process running |
| [15:06:00] | ** orb_rox says, what PatrickDK said. ** | |
| [15:07:00] | whyz: | i guess i should specify a driver for each lircd process? |
| [15:07:00] | whyz: | anything else? |
| [15:07:00] | orb_rox: | whyz: I'm curious though, the hauppauge remote should work just fine with the homebrew |
| [15:07:00] | whyz: | it does work, the homebrew doesn't.. |
| [15:08:00] | whyz: | do i specify different devices for each lircd process? (-d /dev/lirc/X) |
| [15:08:00] | whyz: | and different pid-files.. |
| [15:09:00] | orb_rox: | seen this? http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#multiple |
| [15:09:00] | whyz: | that's exactly where i'm reading :) |
| [15:11:00] | whyz: | i don't understand the point of using the --connect parameter |
| [15:12:00] | orb_rox: | I think the connect/listen stuff is counterintuitive, but whatever .. --connect, so that: "All events will now be visible at /dev/lircd" |
| [15:13:00] | orb_rox: | maybe that's not what you want, but that's how you'd do it. |
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| [15:23:00] | m4lu7: | hmm. this looks like a cool board for a set top box.... http://usa.aopen.com/products/mb/i915GMm-HFS.htm |
| [15:23:00] | m4lu7: | wonder how well i915 chip is supported under Linux, X |
| [15:23:00] | m4lu7: | i've found satisfaction w/i815 |
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| [15:27:00] | Kigh: | heyho |
| [15:33:00] | fryfrog: | nforce2/4 has made me happy |
| [15:33:00] | fryfrog: | i've got 3x of the nforce4 boards and 1x nforce2 |
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| [15:35:00] | dev-: | had no problem with nforce either |
| [15:35:00] | dev-: | 3 nforce2's |
| [15:36:00] | Kigh: | damn it, how do i set up myth to display the exit dialig ("no, yes, yes and shutdown") when i press ESC? |
| [15:36:00] | fryfrog: | its in the options |
| [15:36:00] | fryfrog: | ummm |
| [15:36:00] | fryfrog: | so many damn options screens :) |
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| [15:36:00] | Kigh: | yeah ;) |
| [15:37:00] | fryfrog: | but i think its the first item on the first page of what ever option screen its on |
| [15:37:00] | dev-: | first thing to learn is the setupscreens :) |
| [15:37:00] | fryfrog: | its like "key to use for exit" (esc, ctrl-esc, etc) followed by "confirm exit" |
| [15:37:00] | Kigh: | i don't get that machine to shut down .. |
| [15:38:00] | dev-: | umh, yeah |
| [15:38:00] | Kigh: | fryfrog uh i've never seen an option like this on any screen oO |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | i have |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | just today |
| [15:38:00] | dev-: | yeah ive seen it |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | well, technically yesterday :) |
| [15:38:00] | m4lu7: | fryfrog, which model nforce4? |
| [15:38:00] | Kigh: | oh |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | cause i turned it on/off |
| [15:38:00] | Kigh: | found it :) |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | m4lu7: i believe they are both Gigabyte boards, i'd have to check newegg to confirm |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | one's got 2 sata raid controllers on it, the other just 1 |
| [15:38:00] | fryfrog: | er, other 2 |
| [15:39:00] | Kigh: | i think i entered crap on that option page .. the command for system to stop |
| [15:39:00] | dev-: | Kigh: well thast no good now is it :) |
| [15:39:00] | dev-: | thats |
| [15:39:00] | Kigh: | should i use halt there? the on screen help says something about "poweroff" is another option .. |
| [15:40:00] | m4lu7: | fryfrog, what kind of video outputs does it have on it? |
| [15:40:00] | dev-: | kish: if the command on commandline to powerdown your box is halt, then sure, use halt |
| [15:40:00] | Kigh: | someone knows default? oO |
| [15:40:00] | Kigh: | okay |
| [15:40:00] | fryfrog: | it has none, it is a pci-e full size atx board and i got a $50 GF 6200 pci-e |
| [15:40:00] | fryfrog: | of course... |
| [15:40:00] | Kigh: | dev- wondered if that was a myth-tv script to check if something is scheduled or stuff .. |
| [15:41:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/ |
| [15:41:00] | fryfrog: | if you take a quick look at the *case* its in, you'll see that its not a multi-media center case ;) |
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| [15:42:00] | m4lu7: | Ah.. no. it's certainly not :) |
| [15:42:00] | fryfrog: | though, i'm pretty sure its big enough to act as a tv stand for many tvs ;) |
| [15:42:00] | Kigh: | hehe |
| [15:43:00] | Kigh: | media center and pc stand in one thing ! |
| [15:43:00] | Kigh: | tv stand even |
| [15:43:00] | rsdvd: | Hello All........can anyone help me get my DVB card to tune? |
| [15:43:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [15:43:00] | Xoritor: | ok, for some odd reason my mythtv has lost audio when watching tv |
| [15:43:00] | dev-: | i used to use a mini-atx case for backend/frontend.. but it had dual tuners and would get too hot. fried 2 tuners actually. pvr250's |
| [15:43:00] | Kigh: | damn it |
| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, speaking of 250s... |
| [15:44:00] | Kigh: | i do have that menu now, but there's no shutdown option on the exit menu |
| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | how much would a used but perfectly fine 250 sell for? |
| [15:44:00] | Xoritor: | any ideas? |
| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | shutdown? |
| [15:44:00] | dev-: | imho, its best to put the tuners in 1 backend and use tunerless mini-atx cases for even mini-itx cases for frontends |
| [15:44:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: make sure alsa is running? |
| [15:44:00] | Xoritor: | hmmm.... fryfrog i'll look again, but i'm farily certain it is |
| [15:45:00] | fryfrog: | i must have miss-read your original question, cause i don't recall a shutdown option :/ |
| [15:45:00] | Kigh: | fryfrog: yes, i'd like to shutdown the box by using frontend |
| [15:45:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: but you are using alsa, right? Is "ALSA:default" in your sound settings? and "default" is the mixer? |
| [15:45:00] | Xoritor: | alsa is running, myth works with recorded shows/video |
| [15:45:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: ah, hummm |
| [15:45:00] | dev-: | when i exit mythfrontend i see 3 options, "no" "yes, exit now" and "yes, exit and shutdown" |
| [15:45:00] | dev-: | i have the options selected. |
| [15:45:00] | Kigh: | backend and frontend is on the same box and the setup doesnt include a tuner card, its for movie/mp3 playback and other entertaining stuff only |
| [15:45:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: are you using mythtv-svn? |
| [15:45:00] | dev-: | no |
| [15:46:00] | fryfrog: | wait, you mean myth plays sound for video and already recorded shows? |
| [15:46:00] | fryfrog: | its just live tv that has no sound? |
| [15:46:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, yep |
| [15:46:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [15:46:00] | dev-: | thats weird |
| [15:46:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, exactly |
| [15:46:00] | fryfrog: | what kind of card? |
| [15:46:00] | Kigh: | dev-: thats the thing i want :) i do only have 2 options ... ".. and shutdown" is left out |
| [15:46:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, pvr150 |
| [15:46:00] | fryfrog: | humm :/ |
| [15:46:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, it was working great for a few months |
| [15:47:00] | dev-: | Kigh: dunno.. doublecheck? dont know.. i did nothing sepcial other than turn it on. |
| [15:47:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: do you have a shutdown command entered? "halt" should do it? |
| [15:47:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, i had _NO_ issues at all until one day it just stopped working |
| [15:47:00] | Kigh: | Xoritor: i had a tuner card once where i had do physically connect tuner and sound card |
| [15:47:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: i assume you've tried... *rebooting* <shudder>? |
| [15:47:00] | dev-: | Kigh: halt or poweroff, as fryfrog said |
| [15:47:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: prolly not a hardware mpeg2 card :) |
| [15:47:00] | rond: | what is considered the best of breed video card for HDTV with MythTV |
| [15:47:00] | Kigh: | i entered "sudo /sbin/halt -p" at that point |
| [15:47:00] | fryfrog: | and i suspect it wouldn't have worked for months then stopped working :) |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, yea, my wife tried that... |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | hehehehe |
| [15:48:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | Kigh, nope, this card does not need that... i have had it working |
| [15:48:00] | fryfrog: | volume is turned up? |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | yup |
| [15:48:00] | fryfrog: | rond: i've read a lot of good things about the new air2pc card |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | all the stinkin way now! |
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| [15:48:00] | KristinG: | bttv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog |
| [15:48:00] | fryfrog: | "hd5000" i think its called, their 3rd gen card i think? |
| [15:48:00] | KristinG: | anyone have a suggestion? |
| [15:48:00] | rond: | thanks I will google that |
| [15:48:00] | Xoritor: | on the tv, alsamixer, mythtv, etc... |
| [15:48:00] | fryfrog: | i ordered one, but don't use it yet |
| [15:49:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: you've tried playing a .wav and .mp3 right? |
| [15:49:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: you know what the doctor says when you say "doctor, it hurts when i turn my head very far to the left"? |
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| [15:49:00] | Xoritor: | dev-, yea that stuff works |
| [15:49:00] | Kigh: | fryfrog: does your mythtv run as root? or does it use sudo |
| [15:49:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: he says "don't turn your head very far to the left" :) |
| [15:49:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: i just let the sucker run as root |
| [15:49:00] | Kigh: | hm |
| [15:49:00] | KristinG: | fryfrog, Hee Haw |
| [15:49:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: if you record new shows, do they have volume? |
| [15:49:00] | Kigh: | that would be too easy |
| [15:49:00] | Kigh: | :) |
| [15:49:00] | Xoritor: | Deansweb2004, have not tried |
| [15:50:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: yes, way to easy :) |
| [15:50:00] | Xoritor: | errr |
| [15:50:00] | Kigh: | should i .. |
| [15:50:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: oh, so its only *old* recordings that work? |
| [15:50:00] | Kigh: | no :) |
| [15:50:00] | Xoritor: | s/Deansweb2004/dev-/ |
| [15:50:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: I would suggest scheduling a recording that starts soon :) |
| [15:50:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, yep |
| [15:50:00] | Kigh: | dev-: does _your_ mythtv run as root? |
| [15:50:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: if your myth box only does myth, running as root shouldn't be a big deal |
| [15:50:00] | Xoritor: | doing that now |
| [15:50:00] | cosmo_: | Kigh: Instead, try turning it way far to the left. If it hurts then at least your symetric |
| [15:50:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: try this, cat /dev/video0 > videotest.mpg |
| [15:50:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: then play it with mplayer, see if you have sound |
| [15:51:00] | cosmo_: | Kigh: right* |
| [15:51:00] | Kigh: | fryfrog: its a file and shell server also |
| [15:51:00] | Xoritor: | argh! |
| [15:51:00] | dev-: | Kigh: no, i dont run mythfrontend as root. it does have suid root though |
| [15:51:00] | Xoritor: | i think i found it |
| [15:51:00] | fryfrog: | ah, running as root may not be a spiffy idea then :) |
| [15:51:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: what was it, gum in the speakers? :) |
| [15:51:00] | Xoritor: | all of the programs are "unknown" when you go to the program guide |
| [15:51:00] | dev-: | it is for realtime thread prio |
| [15:51:00] | Xoritor: | sigh |
| [15:51:00] | Kigh: | cosmo-: your talking to Xoritor i think :) |
| [15:52:00] | Xoritor: | hahahha |
| [15:52:00] | fryfrog: | Kigh: actually, on my web/file server i run myth as root too |
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| [15:52:00] | Kigh: | dev-: mh thats an idea. |
| [15:52:00] | fryfrog: | but its behind a nat firewall and i've never seen any issues due to it |
| [15:52:00] | cosmo_: | whoops, oh well, wasn't funny anyways |
| [15:52:00] | Kigh: | setuid root .. |
| [15:52:00] | dev-: | Kigh: i run mythbackend as root, i run mythfrontend with suid root |
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| [15:52:00] | KristinG: | has anyone seen that problem? |
| [15:52:00] | Xoritor: | so what would cause mythtv to not get the listings from the db? |
| [15:53:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: was that error from dmesg? |
| [15:53:00] | cosmo_: | a problem |
| [15:53:00] | KristinG: | yes |
| [15:53:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: mysql not starting? ummm |
| [15:53:00] | dev-: | Kigh: i dont really care about running as root, because everything is on a private network in accessible from the outside, and my wireless is on a different vlan and cant talk to it |
| [15:53:00] | dev-: | Kigh: so its a bit of a nonissue for me running as root. |
| [15:53:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: could you put a lot of the messages from near by in a pastebin.com? |
| [15:53:00] | KristinG: | when doing a modprobe lirc_i2c |
| [15:53:00] | Kigh: | hm |
| [15:53:00] | fryfrog: | oh, let me guess you don't have a bttv card? |
| [15:53:00] | dev-: | only people that are gonna hax0r my tv boxes, are me and the woman lol |
| [15:54:00] | Xoritor: | fryfrog, nope thats running |
| [15:54:00] | Kigh: | err how do i set the SUID bit for a binary? |
| [15:54:00] | Xoritor: | mythbackend is running |
| [15:54:00] | KristinG: | i have a pvr-250 |
| [15:54:00] | fryfrog: | chmod +s `which mythfrontend` |
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| [15:54:00] | Kigh: | thx .. s it was |
| [15:54:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: did you compile lirc from source? |
| [15:54:00] | KristinG: | no i emerged |
| [15:54:00] | Xoritor: | mythfilldatabse runs without too many errors ;-) (ie it gets the data and updates stuff |
| [15:54:00] | KristinG: | i have tried from source also though |
| [15:54:00] | fryfrog: | thats compiling from source :) |
| [15:54:00] | KristinG: | same prob |
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| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | for some reason, the lirc source is hard coded to load the bttv module |
| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | and the cx88xx module too |
| [15:55:00] | KristinG: | compiling from source to me means not using emerge |
| [15:55:00] | KristinG: | hmm |
| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | and of course, to get the tuner module to be built in the kernel you have to pick one of the two |
| [15:55:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: if you see recordings in your list, then its talking to the database correctly. perhaps you should run mythfilldatabase manually then try the program guide again? |
| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | what i ended up doing was going to the portage dir |
| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | for lirc |
| [15:55:00] | KristinG: | i have no use for the tuner |
| [15:55:00] | fryfrog: | "ebuild <lirc thing here> unpack" |
| [15:56:00] | KristinG: | i just need the svideo input |
| [15:56:00] | fryfrog: | i'm not sure how happy ivtv is if you don't have the tuner module :/ |
| [15:56:00] | cosmo_: | is it safe to say that most of you guys run myth in gentoo? |
| [15:56:00] | KristinG: | probably not very |
| [15:56:00] | fryfrog: | so anyway, if you open the lirc source after you use the ebuild command to unpack it |
| [15:56:00] | fryfrog: | you can do "grep -ir "bttv" ." in the dir |
| [15:57:00] | Xoritor: | dev-, i did... no joy |
| [15:57:00] | fryfrog: | and you'll esaily see where the stupid thing is forcing the load of bttv module |
| [15:57:00] | dev-: | interesting |
| [15:57:00] | KristinG: | seems such a shame to waste so much energy on maintaining code tht is useless with modern cable/satellite receivers :p |
| [15:57:00] | KristinG: | k |
| [15:57:00] | fryfrog: | cosmo_: nah, i think most use FC3/4 |
| [15:57:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: you mean the tuner module? |
| [15:57:00] | KristinG: | yeah |
| [15:57:00] | fryfrog: | i'd wager most people with a tuner card recieve analog cable or OTA :) |
| [15:58:00] | dev-: | cosmo_: i use gentoo for my myth boxes. but thats because at work, we had a question of which linux distro was most stable. one dude at work was useing fedora, another was useing debian, i drew the gentoo straw |
| [15:58:00] | KristinG: | well if there was a better card for my need i would buy it |
| [15:58:00] | dev-: | cosmo_: now that everyone at work got their hardware problems figured out, we have the same uptimes |
| [15:58:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: what did you say you had? a 150? |
| [15:58:00] | KristinG: | i'd happily get rid of this pvr-250 |
| [15:58:00] | fryfrog: | ah, 250 |
| [15:58:00] | Kigh: | DAMN IT |
| [15:59:00] | cosmo_: | KristinG: why? |
| [15:59:00] | fryfrog: | i just wish that sat gear had unrestricted firewire out :/ |
| [15:59:00] | dev-: | i like pvr250's |
| [15:59:00] | dev-: | have 4 of them heh |
| [15:59:00] | dev-: | they work perfecto |
| [15:59:00] | KristinG: | fryfrog, yeah! |
| [15:59:00] | fryfrog: | but really, there is nothing better than hardware mpeg2 |
| [15:59:00] | dev-: | only problem is they get too hot |
| [15:59:00] | KristinG: | dev- sure they work |
| [15:59:00] | fryfrog: | unless maybe an OTA HD tuner |
| [15:59:00] | Kigh: | the option is "halt" and mythfrontend is suid root .. but i still do not have a shutdown option |
| [15:59:00] | KristinG: | but i have satellite |
| [15:59:00] | fryfrog: | i wonder why no one makes a satalite tuner card? :) |
| [15:59:00] | KristinG: | and my tv's are hd |
| [15:59:00] | cosmo_: | I cant imagine having 4 tuners, does anyone have time to watch THAT much tv? ;) |
| [16:00:00] | dev-: | KristinG: so? one guy at work uses his pvr250's with his directtv shit |
| [16:00:00] | fryfrog: | i used to have 4 tuners too :) |
| [16:00:00] | dev-: | KristinG: input source doesnt matter |
| [16:00:00] | fryfrog: | well... it does matter |
| [16:00:00] | fryfrog: | a tuner is useless on a svideo input :) |
| [16:00:00] | KristinG: | i am trying to find a decent card with component input |
| [16:00:00] | Xoritor: | well.. mythfilldatabase tells me :: Marking repeats...found 5256 |
| [16:00:00] | dev-: | right, you use the scripts and connect serial port |
| [16:00:00] | fryfrog: | so a tunerless hardware mpeg2 card would be cheap |
| [16:00:00] | Xoritor: | so the stuff is there... but i am not seeing it for some reason |
| [16:00:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: you won't find any card with component or dvi/hdmi for under a few grand |
| [16:01:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: oh i see where this is going, yup yup, agreed =] |
| [16:01:00] | Kigh: | i'm struggling with that shutdown for hours now |
| [16:01:00] | KristinG: | as has been my results of searchs so far |
| [16:01:00] | fryfrog: | in fact, thats why i'm about 95% sure i'm going to be ditching communist cast (and myth :() for directtv and their hd tivo box |
| [16:01:00] | dev-: | Kigh: dunno what to tell you, i did this myself and it worked fine the first time. |
| [16:02:00] | dev-: | Kigh: its probably something stupid? usually when i cant figure something out for a decent amount of time, its something stupid |
| [16:02:00] | KristinG: | fry hmm? |
| [16:02:00] | Kigh: | dev- i thought that too :) |
| [16:02:00] | Kigh: | but i have no idea what it could be |
| [16:03:00] | KristinG: | i'd buy their hdtivo too if it was networkable |
| [16:03:00] | cosmo_: | fryfrog: nooooooooooo |
| [16:03:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: the same content restrictions that are being placed on regular tivo boxes, will be on directtivo |
| [16:04:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: you really want to live with a dvr that controls what you watch? i wouldnt ;/ |
| [16:04:00] | dev-: | id even spend a couple hundred dollars more just so i have my freedom |
| [16:04:00] | cosmo_: | I cant do that dave....... |
| [16:05:00] | dev-: | sure its cheaper, but i want to decide how long my shows stay on disk. not the broadcaster |
| [16:05:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: it is easily hacked and networkable |
| [16:05:00] | fryfrog: | and you can also easily hack them to not-encrypt the content, so you can copy em off |
| [16:05:00] | cosmo_: | I here the broadcast flag has been installed on all tivos through some kind of update mechanism, that true for the directtv pvr? |
| [16:05:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: old versions |
| [16:06:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: hopin to get lucky and get an old one? |
| [16:06:00] | fryfrog: | nah, from what i read even the newest hd tivo |
| [16:06:00] | KristinG: | dev- you know any other way around hdcp? |
| [16:06:00] | fryfrog: | my problem is i have an HD WS tv... |
| [16:06:00] | dev-: | i dont even know what hdcp is |
| [16:06:00] | dev-: | i was absent on acronym day |
| [16:06:00] | dev-: | :D |
| [16:06:00] | fryfrog: | and i can't record anything in HD |
| [16:06:00] | fryfrog: | from a cable/sat box |
| [16:06:00] | KristinG: | high definition content protection |
| [16:06:00] | dev-: | if you have an hd tuner card you could |
| [16:07:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, i ordered one |
| [16:07:00] | fryfrog: | but thats just 10 network channels |
| [16:07:00] | dev-: | then you need 9gig/hour worth of space |
| [16:07:00] | fryfrog: | if i'm lucky |
| [16:07:00] | dev-: | das right |
| [16:07:00] | fryfrog: | space isn't an issue for me, 1.2TB :) |
| [16:07:00] | dev-: | so you need an hdtuner card, a directtv sat reciever box, a serial cable, and a perl script |
| [16:07:00] | dev-: | the nyou're set with myth |
| [16:07:00] | KristinG: | hdcp makes it impossible to capture from dvi |
| [16:07:00] | cosmo_: | can you record to mpg2 with the hd cards, with a bitrate comparable to analogue tv? |
| [16:07:00] | dev-: | ah. im not going to upgrade to 1tb until hd hehe |
| [16:07:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: but even then, it'd just be recording via svideo |
| [16:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | cosmo_: It's already mpeg2 |
| [16:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | you just read the stream and write yto disk |
| [16:07:00] | kazan: | hey guys |
| [16:08:00] | fryfrog: | cosmo_: no, the hdtv cards use massive storage |
| [16:08:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, what grey said |
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| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | for me, my main use of myth falls right in line with what hdtivo does |
| [16:09:00] | dev-: | airstar hd5000 has a coax connector for regular cable |
| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | and some of the extras in myth i love (mythweb!) can be done if desired |
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| [16:09:00] | dev-: | you're telling me that quality on that card is not hd...? |
| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | air2pc, yup i ordered it :) |
| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | of course its HD |
| [16:09:00] | dev-: | ...then whats the problem? |
| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | but it can only recieve unencrypted QAM |
| [16:09:00] | fryfrog: | so... |
| [16:09:00] | dev-: | hrm |
| [16:10:00] | fryfrog: | communistcast is free to encrypt their good HD channels (and they do) |
| [16:10:00] | KristinG: | all i want mythtv for is to archive my favority shows |
| [16:10:00] | fryfrog: | hbo and showtime of course |
| [16:10:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: so you coax from the cable box to the card, and change channels on the box with a perl script |
| [16:10:00] | fryfrog: | i hear discovery and all the networks are not encrypted... but there isn't much stopping them from doing it when ever they want |
| [16:10:00] | Kigh: | woah |
| [16:10:00] | Kigh: | damn |
| [16:10:00] | kazan: | there needs to be a caveat in the official documentation about emu10k1 based cards |
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| [16:11:00] | fryfrog: | there is *no* way to *input* HD content from a cable box |
| [16:11:00] | Kigh: | enabling a shutdown button cant be _that hard_ |
| [16:11:00] | KristinG: | everything that is over dvi is encrypted |
| [16:11:00] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: Yea, it depends on the market. I know in New Jersey, they encypt all the channels. |
| [16:11:00] | Ryushin: | Hince, go OTA and you never have to worry. |
| [16:11:00] | fryfrog: | the "best" way is svideo, and thats definatly not HD :) |
| [16:11:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: thats impossible, the cable box has to give hdtv to your tv right? |
| [16:11:00] | KristinG: | dev- yeo |
| [16:11:00] | KristinG: | yes |
| [16:11:00] | kazan: | dev-: yeah, i think he's talking about firewire though |
| [16:11:00] | Ryushin: | the "best" way is DVI. :) |
| [16:11:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: so instead, you plug it into the card, connect a serial cable from the pc to the cable box, and change channels |
| [16:11:00] | fryfrog: | yup, HD is via component or dvi/hdmi |
| [16:11:00] | fryfrog: | neither of which have a pc card input |
| [16:12:00] | kazan: | don't DVB-T cards have a connector to accept dvi? |
| [16:12:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, firewire is possible if they haven't protected that too |
| [16:12:00] | dev-: | so there is no way to do true hdtv with a pc off a cable box? |
| [16:12:00] | fryfrog: | i tried it... only 2 channels would output hdtv |
| [16:12:00] | dev-: | (im new to hd and want to do it in the future) |
| [16:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | dev-: firewire if it's enabled on the box |
| [16:12:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: they're not _supposed_ to protect it i thought, but I may be wrong |
| [16:12:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: if you are *lucky* you can get a cable box with working firewire ports |
| [16:12:00] | dev-: | GreyFoxx: which is required by law now, isnt it? |
| [16:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | and doesn't scale the vide odown |
| [16:12:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: actually, there is nothing in the law that says it can't be protected by 5C |
| [16:13:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: as I said – i may be wrong |
| [16:13:00] | fryfrog: | because 5C is supported by all the "proper" devices (dvd burners, svhs, etc) |
| [16:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | dev-: It's required to be there, but might not be enabled, and they don't have to pass anything but the free"local" hd channels |
| [16:13:00] | KristinG: | and your hd tv has a chip that decodes that encrypted dvi stream |
| [16:13:00] | dev-: | GreyFoxx: ah. |
| [16:13:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: under fair use i'd say go ahead and crack the encryption, if they come after you channellege the constitutionality of the law |
| [16:13:00] | ** m4lu7 sings a song, dedicated to Via, o/~ i'm going to stab out my eyeballs, with a wooden spoon, oh yeah, yeah yeah o/~ ** | |
| [16:13:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: the *REALLY* stupid thing is that the firewire output *IS* protected BUT the actual broadcast over the cable isn't |
| [16:14:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: aye |
| [16:14:00] | dev-: | man that sux |
| [16:14:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: i don't have the $$$ to be a test case, and its probably going to be quite hard to hack 5C / encrypted cable |
| [16:14:00] | dev-: | my cable boxes have firewire ports. no idea if they're enabled though. |
| [16:14:00] | kazan: | we live in a corporatist state |
| [16:14:00] | dev-: | didnt think it was a big deal to do hd with myth |
| [16:14:00] | dev-: | man was i wrong :) |
| [16:14:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: the EFF will gladly pay for your defense on that case |
| [16:14:00] | KristinG: | blame hollywood |
| [16:14:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: they've been waiting to take on that one |
| [16:14:00] | m4lu7: | blame canada |
| [16:14:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: the "easy" way to do HD in myth is OTA |
| [16:15:00] | kazan: | KristinG: no, blame the lobbyists and easily bought politicians |
| [16:15:00] | fryfrog: | and of course that works great |
| [16:15:00] | KristinG: | nah, hollywood is much bigger than canada |
| [16:15:00] | Ryushin: | Yea, damn canadians. (My wife is canadian) |
| [16:15:00] | dev-: | yeah but then you get shit for channels |
| [16:15:00] | Kigh: | blame shutdown |
| [16:15:00] | fryfrog: | 2nd easiest (and very cheap!) is firewire from an hdtv box |
| [16:15:00] | kazan: | KristinG: blame Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) the RIAA and MPAA's personal bitch |
| [16:15:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: of course, i say 10 network channels... comcast only adds like 2–3 more HD channels to that |
| [16:15:00] | fryfrog: | 5 if you count the sports HDTV chans like espn |
| [16:15:00] | Xoritor: | well... |
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| [16:15:00] | KristinG: | blaming people takes too much effort away from the solution |
| [16:15:00] | Ryushin: | Greyfoxx: Hey, I got everything working. The HD-3000 and the PVR-350 card. Learned some new things too. |
| [16:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [16:16:00] | Xoritor: | SELECT * FROM program; shows that I do have a populated database |
| [16:16:00] | kazan: | KristinG: the solutions is to A) educate congress, B) cut off the corporate money trail |
| [16:16:00] | Xoritor: | but it does not get it from the database to mythtv |
| [16:16:00] | fryfrog: | Xoritor: do you have the line up actually BOUND to one of the inputs on your card? |
| [16:16:00] | Xoritor: | yep |
| [16:16:00] | KristinG: | the pacific ocean is full of hungry critters that would just love a snack |
| [16:16:00] | Ryushin: | Like you need to increase the buffers to get sound to work in HD correctly. And the PVR-350 card can be made to write a mpeg2 progressive stream instead of interlaced. |
| [16:16:00] | kazan: | anyone know why myth front end isn't responding to my remote? |
| [16:16:00] | Xoritor: | have not ever changed that |
| [16:16:00] | Xoritor: | can myth just "drop" it? |
| [16:16:00] | ** Kigh is going trough the option screens for the 20iest time ** | |
| [16:17:00] | Ryushin: | Setting it to progressive fixed the crappy output through xvmc. |
| [16:17:00] | KristinG: | step 1: gather all the christian conversatives |
| [16:17:00] | Xoritor: | just to be on the safe side i will resetup all of that |
| [16:17:00] | fryfrog: | step 2: launch into sun? |
| [16:18:00] | dev-: | i rarely wat9ch network channels. rarely watch sports. i watch discovery/tlc/hist/scifi mostly |
| [16:18:00] | KristinG: | step 2: compact them together and drop off the coast about 700 miles |
| [16:18:00] | dev-: | sounds of it, those will be encrypted |
| [16:18:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, DiscoveryHD is one of the biggest reasons I got HD tv :) |
| [16:18:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: here is the "solution" i think is best |
| [16:18:00] | KristinG: | discovery is the only reason i got it |
| [16:18:00] | KristinG: | and then i started to see games in hd |
| [16:18:00] | fryfrog: | external sat/cable box with svideo -> pvr250 |
| [16:18:00] | KristinG: | and was like WOW |
| [16:18:00] | fryfrog: | i saw a football game in HD |
| [16:18:00] | fryfrog: | it was beautiful... but i hate sports :) |
| [16:19:00] | dev-: | but then you're limited to 800 scanlines or something |
| [16:19:00] | laga: | Ryushin: does ivtv support progressive format? |
| [16:19:00] | fryfrog: | well, watching |
| [16:19:00] | Xoritor: | grrr |
| [16:19:00] | KristinG: | so, in 3 months my tv's were replaced |
| [16:19:00] | fryfrog: | dev-: yeah, thats what bothers me :) |
| [16:19:00] | Xoritor: | now its not freakin showing up! |
| [16:19:00] | Xoritor: | how can it just drop the "connection" |
| [16:19:00] | KristinG: | i have one sony rear projection and an aquos |
| [16:19:00] | fryfrog: | i *really* want to ditch my cable company :) |
| [16:20:00] | KristinG: | not sure which looks the best |
| [16:20:00] | fryfrog: | i got a sony tube ws, 30" |
| [16:20:00] | m4lu7: | i really, really really want to pay a visit to Via headquarters... with my M4. |
| [16:20:00] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [16:20:00] | dev-: | yeah ive had nothing but problems with most via's heh |
| [16:20:00] | Ryushin: | laga: yep, if you pass it the appropriate module option. |
| [16:20:00] | m4lu7: | then, do that whole "stalking from cubicle to cubicle" thing |
| [16:20:00] | dev-: | i feel your pain :) |
| [16:20:00] | KristinG: | ahh |
| [16:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | wtf is an m4 ? |
| [16:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | A gun ? |
| [16:20:00] | dev-: | its a gun |
| [16:20:00] | KristinG: | my sony is 65" |
| [16:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | ic |
| [16:20:00] | fryfrog: | an assault rifle |
| [16:20:00] | fryfrog: | jesus |
| [16:20:00] | m4lu7: | 48 megabytes for the "CLE266 'lite'" xf86 binary. 48 megs?! |
| [16:21:00] | fryfrog: | makes my 30" look small :) |
| [16:21:00] | laga: | Ryushin: are we talking about the mpeg2-encoder or the decoder? does progressive format mean deinterlacing? |
| [16:21:00] | KristinG: | the owners manual says 3 liquid cooled trinitron crt's |
| [16:21:00] | Ryushin: | laga: options ivtv ivtv_yuv_mode=1 |
| [16:21:00] | Ryushin: | That turns on progressive output. |
| [16:22:00] | kazan: | ugh |
| [16:22:00] | ** kazan kicks his lircrc ** | |
| [16:22:00] | KristinG: | the aquos is in the bedroom, much smaller |
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| [16:22:00] | Ryushin: | Well, it looks like all it does is progressive then. Though I don't output my picture through my PVR-350. It goes though a DVI ard. |
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| [16:22:00] | Ryushin: | Time to work on DVD. |
| [16:23:00] | KristinG: | so back to figureing out why bttv is being loaded |
| [16:23:00] | fryfrog: | i told you, lirc is doing it |
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| [16:24:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: wha? |
| [16:24:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: lirc is receiving the commands |
| [16:24:00] | m4lu7: | Ok, so here's the kind of madness that via likes to do with the Linux community... |
| [16:24:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: but myth isn't listening to them, and i know ch+ and ch- are in my lircrc |
| [16:24:00] | m4lu7: | This is a shellscript that supposedly builds ... something. |
| [16:25:00] | m4lu7: | i forget if it's the DRI stuff, or the DRM stuff, or both.. .can't remember... |
| [16:25:00] | fryfrog: | ./drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c |
| [16:25:00] | fryfrog: | thats the file its in |
| [16:25:00] | m4lu7: | but i kept this script around to show my students "How not to write a shell script" http://sideshow.dyndns.org/makedriver-ORIGINAL |
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| [16:25:00] | m4lu7: | I warn you... it is HORRIBLE. |
| [16:25:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: i didn't compile from source |
| [16:25:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: does "irw" show em going? |
| [16:25:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: thats why i was talking to KristinG |
| [16:25:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: yes it does |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: it also shows that all buttons are "received" four times :P |
| [16:26:00] | fryfrog: | do you have the hauppage lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/? |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | not the hauppage one |
| [16:26:00] | fryfrog: | that is what fixed it for me |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | i'm not using hauppage |
| [16:26:00] | fryfrog: | oh, not a hauppage remote? |
| [16:26:00] | fryfrog: | ah, but you have the right one there? |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | yes |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | i'm using a kworld remote |
| [16:26:00] | fryfrog: | if you start the frontend with "-v all -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log" |
| [16:26:00] | kazan: | and i grabed the kworld lircrc someone posted on the mailing list |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | can you see any lirc info in it? |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: you said you have directv right? |
| [16:27:00] | kazan: | lemme see fry |
| [16:27:00] | kazan: | (which codec is better for live tv – rtjpeg or mpeg4?) |
| [16:27:00] | fryfrog: | what kind of card? |
| [16:28:00] | KristinG: | yes |
| [16:28:00] | kazan: | bt878 |
| [16:28:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: did you use their "free" installation? |
| [16:28:00] | KristinG: | ? |
| [16:28:00] | kazan: | KWorld VStream Xpert – VS-TV878RF (with radio) |
| [16:28:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: mjpeg is probably going to be lower cpu usage, mpeg4 probably better disk space |
| [16:28:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: did you put the shit in yourself or have them? |
| [16:28:00] | KristinG: | oh when i ordered dtv? |
| [16:29:00] | fryfrog: | yes sir (maam? |
| [16:29:00] | kazan: | checking the log now |
| [16:29:00] | KristinG: | yeah right, me and heights get along like oil and water |
| [16:29:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: i have plenty of cpu.. i'll go with mpeg4 at 1200bps |
| [16:29:00] | fryfrog: | did it end up being free? |
| [16:29:00] | fryfrog: | or did they charge you for anything? |
| [16:29:00] | fryfrog: | and did you get an OTA HD antenna installed too? |
| [16:29:00] | KristinG: | free? bwahahahahaha |
| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | great, thats what i though :/ |
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| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | what did they charge you for? |
| [16:30:00] | KristinG: | not even the fucking was free |
| [16:30:00] | kazan: | fryfrog what should i search the log for |
| [16:30:00] | KristinG: | umm |
| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | "less /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log" |
| [16:30:00] | KristinG: | around 500 |
| [16:30:00] | kazan: | a |
| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | then use "/lirc" |
| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | see what it finds |
| [16:30:00] | kazan: | k |
| [16:30:00] | kazan: | i had it open in vim |
| [16:30:00] | fryfrog: | christ, what will they do for "free"? |
| [16:30:00] | KristinG: | but see that was a couple years ago too |
| [16:31:00] | kazan: | did a /lirc "pattern not found: lirc" |
| [16:31:00] | KristinG: | the base system is free |
| [16:31:00] | KristinG: | 3 rooms |
| [16:31:00] | KristinG: | but i added the hd tuners |
| [16:31:00] | fryfrog: | the site says standard installation is free |
| [16:31:00] | Kigh: | hmm. myth is way faster when i run it without a backend (i dont need this because i have no tuner card9 |
| [16:31:00] | Kigh: | but how do i tell mythfrontend to not try to connect to a backend? |
| [16:31:00] | KristinG: | that was 499 each but i bitched long anf=d hard enough that they just agve me one |
| [16:32:00] | fryfrog: | krikey! |
| [16:32:00] | KristinG: | no idea what the boxes are today |
| [16:32:00] | fryfrog: | their current deal says 1 HD Tivo + 3 normal units and free install |
| [16:32:00] | fryfrog: | i'm just wondering if the dish mounting and wire-running is actually free |
| [16:32:00] | fryfrog: | and will they run new wires? |
| [16:32:00] | KristinG: | these are samsung sir-ts360's |
| [16:33:00] | kazan: | kigh: why do you want frontend if you don't have a backend |
| [16:33:00] | fryfrog: | he said he has no tv card |
| [16:33:00] | fryfrog: | just uses it for video/mp3 |
| [16:33:00] | KristinG: | yes that was free |
| [16:33:00] | Kigh: | for watching movies, listening to mp3 and playing games? (weather, news?) |
| [16:33:00] | KristinG: | they get you on the programming commitment |
| [16:33:00] | fryfrog: | ah :) |
| [16:33:00] | fryfrog: | did you say if you got an OTA HD antenna installed? |
| [16:33:00] | KristinG: | hd programming is an extra 10.99 a month |
| [16:34:00] | KristinG: | no |
| [16:34:00] | fryfrog: | so you don't get locals in hd? |
| [16:34:00] | KristinG: | had a friend put one up for me |
| [16:34:00] | fryfrog: | ahhhhh |
| [16:34:00] | fryfrog: | i 'd prolly do it myself too :) |
| [16:34:00] | KristinG: | well like i said, i am afraid of heights |
| [16:34:00] | KristinG: | or i would have tried |
| [16:35:00] | fryfrog: | eheh |
| [16:35:00] | fryfrog: | are you in one of the markets that supposed to get HD MPEG4 channels soon? |
| [16:35:00] | kazan: | irxevent works |
| [16:35:00] | KristinG: | so i just stick to what i am best at |
| [16:35:00] | Kigh: | kazan: and though i have a 450mhz box running myth here running it w/o backend is quite i nice idea .. the performance improves vastly |
| [16:35:00] | KristinG: | umm, not sure |
| [16:35:00] | KristinG: | one sec |
| [16:35:00] | Xoritor: | You don't have any channels defined in the database |
| [16:35:00] | kazan: | Kigh: gotcha |
| [16:35:00] | Xoritor: | hahahaha |
| [16:36:00] | kazan: | Xoritor: wha? who you talking to |
| [16:36:00] | Xoritor: | thats the error i just got |
| [16:36:00] | Xoritor: | hahahaha |
| [16:36:00] | kazan: | nice |
| [16:36:00] | Kigh: | i don't have either :P |
| [16:37:00] | kazan: | i had permission issues with /dev/video0 (me and another fedora user.. stupid /etc/security/console.perms.d/50-default.perms file) and it would fail checkchannel on every channel |
| [16:38:00] | KristinG: | negative |
| [16:39:00] | kazan: | "keypress appliocation |
| [16:39:00] | kazan: | ? |
| [16:39:00] | KristinG: | i am in the charlotte, nc marker |
| [16:39:00] | fryfrog: | KristinG: thats what i'd been holding off for |
| [16:39:00] | KristinG: | i am in the charlotte, nc market |
| [16:39:00] | fryfrog: | Atlanta, Ga here |
| [16:39:00] | KristinG: | that is one of the markets |
| [16:39:00] | fryfrog: | yup :) |
| [16:39:00] | KristinG: | but i am not going to be here much longer |
| [16:39:00] | fryfrog: | aparantly they will replace the HD dvr/tuners and dish for free too |
| [16:40:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, mpeg2 -> mpeg4 hardware |
| [16:40:00] | kazan: | where do you tell mythfrontend to use lirc? |
| [16:40:00] | KristinG: | i'm going back to colorado at the end of the year |
| [16:40:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:40:00] | fryfrog: | are they one of the markets? :) |
| [16:41:00] | KristinG: | yeah right |
| [16:41:00] | kazan: | before i setup the rc it was bitching about not having it.. now that it does it doesn't use it |
| [16:41:00] | KristinG: | grand junction? |
| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | kazan: I didn't think you can to set anything in the config menus. You just need to compile in support and place the lircrc file in the right location |
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| [16:41:00] | KristinG: | bwahahaha |
| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though I don't use lirc for anything so I could be wrong |
| [16:41:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [16:41:00] | fryfrog: | kazan: yeah, you mainly need lirc support compiled in |
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| [16:42:00] | kazan: | GreyFoxx: i used atrpms.. they compile _everything_ in |
| [16:42:00] | kazan: | (erg fryfrog) |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | kazan: I don't use packages so I can only assume you are correct :) |
| [16:43:00] | kazan: | fryfrog: when i didn't have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc mythfrontend bitched about ity |
| [16:43:00] | dev-: | yup, lirc support compiled in, and .lircrc in ~/.mythtv/ and you're set. if you did that and its not working for ya, check again |
| [16:43:00] | kazan: | it wasn'ted a lircrc :D |
| [16:43:00] | dev-: | :) |
| [16:43:00] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [16:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | and ldd on mythfrontend might show if it's linking any lirc libraries |
| [16:43:00] | KristinG: | grand junction doesnt even have any hd ota yet |
| [16:43:00] | dev-: | oh, not .lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:43:00] | fryfrog: | is it named "lircrc" or ".lircrc"? |
| [16:43:00] | dev-: | .lircrc in ~/ for mplayer/xine |
| [16:44:00] | dev-: | fryfrog: .lircrc in homedir, lircrc in .mythtv — my bad, forgot, annoying you need that symlink and myth couldnt just look in your homedir like every other app |
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| [16:45:00] | Bog_: | anyone here using EPIA mobo? |
| [16:45:00] | fryfrog: | oopd |
| [16:45:00] | Bog_: | I'm considering the SP8000 |
| [16:45:00] | Bog_: | to build a fanless system |
| [16:45:00] | ivor: | Bog_: yup... although I've just completely broken my install. :) spending the day rebuilding it. |
| [16:45:00] | Bog_: | and want to know for certain it'll work fine |
| [16:46:00] | Bog_: | ivor: which board u have? |
| [16:46:00] | KristinG: | ok, any idea how to disable the tda9887 module? |
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| [16:46:00] | ivor: | Bog_: the frontend is on an M9000 |
| [16:46:00] | kazan: | still not listening to remote |
| [16:47:00] | Bog_: | I want frontend and backend on the same system |
| [16:47:00] | kazan: | oh.. imma shoot it! |
| [16:47:00] | kazan: | that's why |
| [16:47:00] | kazan: | it's got the fm_scan and the channel controls reversed! |
| [16:47:00] | Kigh: | oh damn it .. |
| [16:47:00] | kazan: | oh.. it thinks the keys are the same |
| [16:48:00] | Kigh: | i dont find anything (useful) related to my "frontend without backend" problem |
| [16:48:00] | ivor: | Bog_: had it all in the epia when I first built it couple of years ago.. but use a backend with loads of cards in now. |
| [16:48:00] | Bog_: | anyone suggest a good dual tunner card? |
| [16:48:00] | KristinG: | there has to be a way to disable the tuner |
| [16:48:00] | Bog_: | ivor: whats the processor on that one? |
| [16:49:00] | kazan: | it's not listening to _any_ lirc commands, even the properly configured ones |
| [16:49:00] | ivor: | Bog_: 900Mhz C3 Ezra. |
| [16:49:00] | Bog_: | ivor: how many tuners did u use with it? |
| [16:50:00] | ivor: | three normally... but one died. so just two at the moment. |
| [16:50:00] | Bog_: | I want a completely fanless system and two-tuners |
| [16:50:00] | ivor: | the two tuners will kick out a hell of a lot of heat for a fanless to cope with. |
| [16:50:00] | Bog_: | I think the sp8000E is the fastest fanless EPIA |
| [16:50:00] | kazan: | ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend | grep lirc |
| [16:51:00] | kazan: | liblirc_Client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 |
| [16:51:00] | Ryushin: | What settings is everyone using for watching DVD's? I notice that xine isn't as good as my DVD player, especially during fast motion. I'm using xine -pfhq --no-spash dvd:// |
| [16:52:00] | laga: | Ryushin: what's the matter with fast motion and xine? |
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| [16:56:00] | kazan: | rrrrrrrrrrr |
| [16:56:00] | m4lu7: | Bog_, based on my current experiences w/Via, man, run for your Life. |
| [16:56:00] | kazan: | irxevent shows the keys correctly |
| [16:56:00] | Ryushin: | Well, it's kinda hard to describe without seeing it, but here goes. |
| [16:56:00] | kazan: | but mythfrontend is still not getting any commands |
| [16:56:00] | Bog_: | m4: is there any other option? |
| [16:56:00] | Ryushin: | During fast motion, the edges of items appear to loose every other line. |
| [16:57:00] | m4lu7: | i have an intel i815 bases mobo right now i'm using, which is damned nice. |
| [16:57:00] | m4lu7: | have some slight problems w/fbcon & DRI, but that should be easy enough to fix (rip fbcon out of kernel, use as module instead) |
| [16:57:00] | Bog_: | m4: small form factor and silent/fanless operation is my priority |
| [16:57:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: having via troubles? |
| [16:57:00] | m4lu7: | Bog_, that is also my mission. |
| [16:57:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, you have no idea :) (or perhaps you do) |
| [16:58:00] | kazan: | fryfrog ?? |
| [16:58:00] | Bog_: | m4: which board? |
| [16:58:00] | ivor: | you'd be surprised. :) |
| [16:58:00] | m4lu7: | i've got an Epia-M; trying (deperately) to get xv output working properly. works fine on vga output, but s-video output is frotzed |
| [16:58:00] | m4lu7: | 2.6.13–2 kernel; xorg 6.8.2, stock via driver. |
| [16:59:00] | ivor: | "frotzed" ? |
| [16:59:00] | m4lu7: | i'm trying to avoid unichrome, which requires massive patching. trying now (again) to figure out which "via supplied" (viaarena) drivers i need (if any) to get satisfaction |
| [16:59:00] | m4lu7: | frotzed == fucked |
| [16:59:00] | Bog_: | here's the gear I'd like to use: |
| [16:59:00] | Bog_: | VIA EPIA SP8000E (800Mhz, fanless) |
| [16:59:00] | Bog_: | WinTV PVR-500 (dual tuner) |
| [16:59:00] | Bog_: | Fanless or external power supply |
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| [17:00:00] | Bog_: | what other mobos can be used fanless? |
| [17:00:00] | Ryushin: | I can really see the problem when watching Sin City. |
| [17:00:00] | m4lu7: | what's more difficult is determining which is more recent: Code in kernel, xorg, or the shite that via stole from Unichrome project, and released as their own, or, the unichrome's latest codebase... it's abitch. |
| [17:00:00] | laga: | Ryushin: try to use an deinterlacer |
| [17:00:00] | m4lu7: | Bog_, i'm using a celeron 1.26ghz, fanless, but's got a big nasty heatsink on it |
| [17:01:00] | KristinG: | hey wait a second |
| [17:01:00] | KristinG: | fryfrog |
| [17:01:00] | Bog_: | m4: would it fit in a simline case? |
| [17:01:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: so which drivers are you using at the moment? you said xorg.6.8.2... but then said you're avoiding unichrome. |
| [17:01:00] | fryfrog: | for? |
| [17:01:00] | Ryushin: | laga: K, I'll check the options. |
| [17:01:00] | KristinG: | why an i even bothering with the hauppauge ir device? |
| [17:02:00] | fryfrog: | i dunno, cause you want to control myth? |
| [17:02:00] | KristinG: | it is not like i need the tuner to change the channels |
| [17:02:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, stock everything. nothing outside of the latest (sid) deb packages for xorg |
| [17:02:00] | KristinG: | i have a USBIRT |
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| [17:02:00] | m4lu7: | using my own kernel, 2.6.13–2 |
| [17:02:00] | fryfrog: | the pvr250 is a ir reciever, not xmit |
| [17:02:00] | KristinG: | right |
| [17:02:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, i think xorg's got pretty recent unichrome stuff in it, anyway, but i can't confirm that |
| [17:02:00] | KristinG: | the usbirc is both a receiver and transmitter no? |
| [17:03:00] | fryfrog: | sorry, i dunnno |
| [17:03:00] | KristinG: | it is |
| [17:03:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: xorg cvs has the most recent drivers.... |
| [17:03:00] | m4lu7: | pretty receng being "whatever was in tree when this 6.8.2 build was made by deb's x-strikeforce" |
| [17:03:00] | ivor: | 6.8.2 isn't the most recent..... |
| [17:03:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, right, i'm savvy. |
| [17:03:00] | ivor: | the most recent for 6.8.2 are at http://myth.ivor.org/unichrome |
| [17:04:00] | m4lu7: | given the age of the CLE266, i don't imagine there's much difference between what's in Xorg cvs & what's in my current install of x. |
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| [17:04:00] | ivor: | anyway... you say vga is fine but tv out is broke.... define broke. |
| [17:04:00] | kazan: | fryfrog bro.. mind if we use /msg's to deal with my lirc problem so our conversation doesn't get lost in the scroll |
| [17:04:00] | kazan: | afk a sec |
| [17:04:00] | fryfrog: | nah, do it here :) |
| [17:04:00] | fryfrog: | so others see |
| [17:04:00] | m4lu7: | broke == as soon as video starts, x goes "green"-tinted; movie looks "inverted" (it's not, but i can't describe it better), image looks liek shite |
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| [17:05:00] | ivor: | but the same VGA out of the image is just fine? |
| [17:06:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, yeah |
| [17:06:00] | m4lu7: | no issues with that picture whatsoever |
| [17:06:00] | kazan: | back |
| [17:06:00] | ivor: | strange. haven't had that reported before. |
| [17:06:00] | kazan: | ok fryfrog – irxevent sees the key presses fine |
| [17:06:00] | kazan: | i have symlinks ~/.lircrc, ~/.mythtv/.lircrc both pointing at ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [17:06:00] | ivor: | FYI if I recall correctly there are quite a few XV bugs in the driver that went into 6.8.2. |
| [17:06:00] | ivor: | you might want to try the unichrome snapshot. |
| [17:07:00] | kazan: | mythfrontend has lirc support compiled in – i checked with ldd |
| [17:07:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, since you seem to be quite educated in this matter, perhaps i can bounce some questions off you, such that I might learn what the "core problem" is here... |
| [17:07:00] | kazan: | but mythfrontend isn't responding to the configured keypresses |
| [17:07:00] | m4lu7: | is this simply a problem with the via driver for x, or a combination of other problems (fb, kernel, etc)? |
| [17:07:00] | dev-: | kazan: lircd started? |
| [17:07:00] | kazan: | yes |
| [17:07:00] | kazan: | irxevent wouldn't work without lircd.... |
| [17:08:00] | dev-: | thought lircd had to be off so irxevent could read /dev/lircd |
| [17:08:00] | m4lu7: | my brain tells me it's just the via x-driver, but given how exhausted i am right now, i'm having trouble remembering which direction is Up |
| [17:08:00] | Xoritor: | well... it seems i fixed my no sound issue |
| [17:08:00] | ** m4lu7 considers grabbing xorg source and rebuilding. hmmmm. but football starts in 2 hours ... arhhag. ** | |
| [17:08:00] | kazan: | no i think it's the otherway – /dev/lircd doesn't function without lircd |
| [17:08:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: sounds like just the driver. |
| [17:08:00] | Xoritor: | now it just as an issue of hanging |
| [17:08:00] | Xoritor: | hahahaha |
| [17:08:00] | kazan: | Xoritor: are you using an emu10k1 device? |
| [17:08:00] | Xoritor: | kazan, no |
| [17:08:00] | kazan: | k |
| [17:08:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, it must be. Vesa output looks fine (albeit, slower than slime) |
| [17:08:00] | ivor: | or there's something odd with your TV-Out settings. |
| [17:08:00] | Xoritor: | i just had to change the pci slot it was in |
| [17:09:00] | dev-: | kazan: whatever, but when i setup lircd.conf useing irw, lircd had to be off. |
| [17:09:00] | ivor: | is TVout always screwed or just for videos? |
| [17:09:00] | Xoritor: | maybe ill try another slot and see if it does not hang |
| [17:09:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, no, i have X on right now, w/mozilla, reading kuro5hin, looks great. |
| [17:09:00] | m4lu7: | no other corruption issues, just xv-based playback |
| [17:09:00] | kazan: | dev-: iirc lircd doesn't dynamically check the lircd.conf – does it on startup, so you probably "had to be off" so it would read the config when you needed it |
| [17:09:00] | Ryushin: | Xine supports all of these video drivers: dxr3 aadxr3 xv opengl xshm caca aa none sdl vidix vidixfb fb |
| [17:10:00] | Ryushin: | Which would be the best off hand? xv? |
| [17:10:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: that doesn't make sense! :( |
| [17:10:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: I have no idea how that can be happening if xv playback works ok on the VGA port. |
| [17:11:00] | dev-: | kazan: i dunno really, i set my remote up a year ago. works fine, was easy, took about 15minutes heh |
| [17:11:00] | dev-: | kazan: dunno why you're having so much trouble with it. |
| [17:11:00] | ivor: | try the newer driver and if it still does it file a bug report. |
| [17:11:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, i agree, man. i agree. |
| [17:11:00] | dev-: | kazan: just created lircd.conf, lircrc, symlinked it, started up myth, done |
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| [17:12:00] | m4lu7: | i've tried dozens of permutations of Option "yadda" in xorg, no dice... i've tried lots of stuff, all same effect... green nastyoutput :) |
| [17:12:00] | m4lu7: | i'll give the newer drivers a shot; but i'm not so hot about having to build (yet another) customized package for my project... maintenance nightmare. |
| [17:13:00] | m4lu7: | {whine whine} |
| [17:13:00] | kazan: | dev-: lucky you |
| [17:13:00] | Xoritor: | alright dang it |
| [17:13:00] | dev-: | wasnt luck, i just rtfm'd |
| [17:13:00] | Xoritor: | i fix one issue now i have another! |
| [17:13:00] | kazan: | dev-: it's just mythfrontend that was giving me problems – I RTFMed as well |
| [17:13:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, aside from my troubles, can you confirm one more thing for me, please? |
| [17:13:00] | ivor: | :) if you've got an xorg source tree installed the snapshot isn't too hard to build. |
| [17:13:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: shoot |
| [17:13:00] | m4lu7: | the drivers via makes available on it's website: Shite, or Shit? |
| [17:14:00] | kazan: | dev-: presuming the other person hasn't RTFM because they're having problems is rather asinine |
| [17:14:00] | Xoritor: | i select live tv and it gives me about 10 seconds (with sound!) and hangs |
| [17:14:00] | kazan: | dev-: like i have said a dozen times – irw and irxevent see the keypresses on the remote _just_ _fine_ |
| [17:14:00] | dev-: | kazan: i didnt assume anything, i just said that i followed the docs and it worked |
| [17:14:00] | ivor: | m4lu7: couldn't possibly comment. I wouldn't touch them with a long stick. |
| [17:14:00] | m4lu7: | i mean, i have nightmares about viaarena.com lately... Fiona Gatt stalking me with a 28" rubber dildo |
| [17:14:00] | m4lu7: | horrible stuff. |
| [17:14:00] | dev-: | kazan: go jump down someone elses throat |
| [17:16:00] | kazan: | sorry, generally "rtfm" is used negatively |
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| [17:18:00] | kazan: | got it working by not using the build in support – running irxevent in the background |
| [17:20:00] | m4lu7: | ivor, thanks for the guidance, btw. I've been wandering around aimlessly for a week with this crap |
| [17:21:00] | m4lu7: | well. drm compiled cleanly :) that's a great start. |
| [17:22:00] | ivor: | thats the easy bit. :D |
| [17:22:00] | m4lu7: | indeed. |
| [17:23:00] | m4lu7: | say, what release of mplayer is that xvmc patch for? ... non-specific? |
| [17:23:00] | ivor: | cvs. |
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| [17:25:00] | m4lu7: | Excellent. |
| [17:25:00] | Xoritor: | grrr... im getting 2–3 seconds of video and its hanging |
| [17:25:00] | Xoritor: | any ideas? |
| [17:25:00] | Xoritor: | i dont see any errors |
| [17:26:00] | ivor: | Xoritor: verbose log? |
| [17:27:00] | m4lu7: | off to football game. cheers. |
| [17:28:00] | Xoritor: | ivor, how do i enable that? |
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| [17:28:00] | ivor: | mythfrontend -v all |
| [17:29:00] | Xoritor: | im trying that now |
| [17:30:00] | Xoritor: | tail -f /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log /var/log/mythtv/mythfilldatabase.log /var/log/mysqld.log |
| [17:30:00] | Xoritor: | those good enough to look at? |
| [17:31:00] | ivor: | if your frontends hanging.... you want to see the frontend log. |
| [17:31:00] | Xoritor: | there is no frontend log |
| [17:31:00] | Xoritor: | so it should go to messages |
| [17:31:00] | Xoritor: | they are on the same |
| [17:32:00] | Xoritor: | one box |
| [17:32:00] | dev-: | you direct it to a file and you'll see it |
| [17:33:00] | PatrickDK: | nothing in myth goes to syslog |
| [17:33:00] | Xoritor: | aah |
| [17:34:00] | PatrickDK: | use -l option |
| [17:35:00] | kazan: | if i have something running on one vdesktop that uses openGL would it interfere with mythfrontend? (ie if i had everquest running in cedega) |
| [17:35:00] | Xoritor: | X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| [17:36:00] | Ryushin: | Well, I think I have the DVD options looking better than my Samsung DVD player with DVI out. I'm pretty much ready replace everything with this box now. |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | what could cause that? |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg2video, 480x480, 29.97 fps, 6000 kb/s |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | then the error |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | Major opcode: 141 |
| [17:36:00] | Xoritor: | Minor opcode: 14 |
| [17:37:00] | Xoritor: | is the resource id useful in a google search? |
| [17:37:00] | Xoritor: | Resource id: 0x185 |
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| [17:39:00] | Ryushin: | I have noticed a slight bug though. After you initiate the DVD player, the arrow keys don't navigate through the mythtv interface where there are settings. You can still navigate the frontend, just not change anything. Like if you press escape to quit, you can't use the arrow keys to go up or down. But restarting the mythfrontend fixes it until you play a dvd again. |
| [17:40:00] | davyd: | here is some crack, for people who want it |
| [17:40:00] | davyd: | I wrote it this afternoon, rather than study |
| [17:40:00] | Xoritor: | ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include/qvaluelist.h (373) |
| [17:40:00] | davyd: | http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/153477.html |
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| [17:50:00] | laga: | Ryushin: that's a focus issue. what wm are you running? |
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| [17:53:00] | Xoritor: | Couldn't get the color key color, and we need it. |
| [17:53:00] | Xoritor: | You likely won't get any video. |
| [17:53:00] | kazan: | damn |
| [17:53:00] | Xoritor: | i dont get it |
| [17:53:00] | kazan: | just KDE, mythbackend and mythfront end bring my load average to 4.95! |
| [17:54:00] | Xoritor: | i get video |
| [17:54:00] | Xoritor: | i get sound |
| [17:54:00] | Xoritor: | but i only get them for 2 seconds |
| [17:54:00] | Xoritor: | then it hangs and dies |
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| [17:55:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I get that error every tim |
| [17:55:00] | PatrickDK: | time |
| [17:55:00] | PatrickDK: | can't get color key |
| [17:55:00] | Xoritor: | then its not that |
| [17:55:00] | PatrickDK: | happens on my sis315, geforce 6800 |
| [17:55:00] | PatrickDK: | but myth works just fine |
| [17:56:00] | Xoritor: | i have a 6600 |
| [17:56:00] | kazan: | ah.. just watching i'm down to 3.92 |
| [17:56:00] | Xoritor: | and it USED to work just fine |
| [17:56:00] | kazan: | the program menu takes some cpu :P |
| [17:57:00] | PatrickDK: | xoritor, you using xvmc? try turning it off |
| [17:57:00] | kazan: | what is AMD's dual core processor going to be called? |
| [17:57:00] | nhesson: | Anyone know why MythUI got bumped to .20 |
| [17:57:00] | Xoritor: | PatrickDK, not using it |
| [17:58:00] | kazan: | damn they're all insanely expensive |
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| [17:58:00] | PatrickDK: | kazan, just think about the heat that produces |
| [17:58:00] | kazan: | true true |
| [17:58:00] | PatrickDK: | dualcore will speed up mysql about 50% faster |
| [17:58:00] | kazan: | oh i KILL xscreensaver! bastage :D |
| [17:59:00] | PatrickDK: | where as dual cpu gives you like a 35% increase over single cpu |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | waiting for prebuffer... prebuffer wait timed out.. |
| [17:59:00] | PatrickDK: | guess someone needs to do some mythtv tests on them :) |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | prebuffer what? |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | sound? |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | video? |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | what? |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | Remote encoder not responding. |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | its LOCAL! |
| [17:59:00] | Xoritor: | seeesh |
| [17:59:00] | laga: | nhesson: probably because they want to get 0.19 out soon |
| [18:00:00] | Xoritor: | there is no remote encoder setup |
| [18:00:00] | PatrickDK: | xoritor, you have no idea |
| [18:00:00] | Xoritor: | WriteStringList: Bad socket |
| [18:00:00] | PatrickDK: | restart your backend |
| [18:00:00] | PatrickDK: | you using svn? |
| [18:00:00] | Xoritor: | PatrickDK, i _just_ rebooted it |
| [18:00:00] | Xoritor: | no |
| [18:00:00] | Xoritor: | im using 32bit binaries from atrpms |
| [18:01:00] | kazan: | Xoritor: another fedora user! :D |
| [18:01:00] | Xoritor: | yum |
| [18:01:00] | Xoritor: | yup |
| [18:01:00] | kazan: | yum install brain :D |
| [18:01:00] | Xoritor: | heh |
| [18:02:00] | Xoritor: | i just did a yum update |
| [18:02:00] | Xoritor: | just to see if anything was updated/fixed etc... |
| [18:02:00] | Xoritor: | nope |
| [18:02:00] | kazan: | ooh.. increasing the bitrate of the livetv recorindg profile decreases cpu usage |
| [18:02:00] | PatrickDK: | yep :) |
| [18:03:00] | kazan: | 640x480 2200bps mpeg4... how much mb/hr does that work out to be |
| [18:03:00] | PatrickDK: | about 1.2 |
| [18:03:00] | PatrickDK: | 2200bps is all ya have to calc |
| [18:03:00] | kazan: | 2200*3600? |
| [18:04:00] | PatrickDK: | 2200*3600/8 |
| [18:04:00] | kazan: | =bytes |
| [18:04:00] | PatrickDK: | gives you kilobytes |
| [18:04:00] | kazan: | 966mbs/hr |
| [18:04:00] | kazan: | + the mp3 trac |
| [18:05:00] | kazan: | now... how do i tweak my tuner settings |
| [18:05:00] | kazan: | i'm getting lower quality video/audio under linux than i do under windows |
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| [18:07:00] | laga: | kazan: in your recording profiles. it's in the frontend settings |
| [18:08:00] | kazan: | no |
| [18:08:00] | kazan: | it's a signal quality issue |
| [18:08:00] | kazan: | it happens under tvtime as well as myth |
| [18:08:00] | kazan: | i think it's because i attached the atenna as well |
| [18:08:00] | kazan: | brb |
| [18:09:00] | kazan: | i couldn't get the attena to detach so i have to turn off the box to do it |
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| [18:34:00] | SlushPump: | has anyone successfully run mythburn on suse? I've been unable to find anything via google yet! |
| [18:34:00] | Xoritor: | sigh |
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| [18:35:00] | Xoritor: | has anyone solved the issue i am having before? |
| [18:35:00] | dev-: | shoudlnt you be the one solving it? :) |
| [18:35:00] | Xoritor: | i get video + sound for 2 seconds then it dies |
| [18:35:00] | SlushPump: | new batteries? |
| [18:35:00] | Xoritor: | dev-, sorry... but humor is lost on me |
| [18:35:00] | Xoritor: | especially in my current frame of mind |
| [18:36:00] | Xoritor: | i appricaite it, but it just drives me more crazy ;-) |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | thats a pretty common problem, i had that happen once, play for a couple secconds, then poof, myth would lockup. turned out to be i wasnt seperating identities of my mythfrontends |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | so i explicity named them their names in mysql.txt and that resolved it. |
| [18:36:00] | Xoritor: | i only have 1 box |
| [18:36:00] | SlushPump: | Understand... I spent 12 hours on mythburn yesterday, starting again. That particular problem, hasn't bitten me (yet). |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | exactly, so who knows why its happening, you'll have to fix it |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | i fixed mine on my own, because the problem is very common for any number of things |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | like, how would someone know that was the problem on my setup. only i knew |
| [18:36:00] | Xoritor: | where is a list of those things? |
| [18:36:00] | dev-: | heh.. sucks.. but we all have to go through it |
| [18:37:00] | Xoritor: | noob, we dont... i can just as easily not use mythtv |
| [18:37:00] | dev-: | i dont know of one website that categorically lists all these things out for you :) |
| [18:37:00] | dev-: | great idea though, you should start one |
| [18:37:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [18:37:00] | Xoritor: | noob, i do mythtv for my wife |
| [18:37:00] | Xoritor: | gack |
| [18:37:00] | Xoritor: | s/noob/no |
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| [18:37:00] | Xoritor: | i dont watch tv, live or recorded |
| [18:37:00] | dev-: | if its a problem then dont use it ;/ |
| [18:38:00] | dev-: | mythtv is actually some work to use and maintain and upgrade and the like. if you want something easy you should get a tivo |
| [18:38:00] | Xoritor: | i have a dvr from time warner, it sucks... but it works |
| [18:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well it can be. but in all honestly the amount of "work" is inversely proportional to your linux experience aqnd knowledge |
| [18:39:00] | dev-: | yes |
| [18:39:00] | Xoritor: | GreyFoxx, i teach linux for Red Hat and have been using it for many many years (sysadmin, coding, etc...) and this issue is not something i have time to deal with for my wife to watch tv |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | so "work" is not just something dealing with experiance and knowledge |
| [18:40:00] | dev-: | Xoritor: i saw earlier someone already told you to -v all mythfrontend and redirect output to a file. did you not do that? |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | its relative to the task needed for it |
| [18:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've know people who have used it work years but really donb't know muhc (I';m not saying that applies to you) |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | i di |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | d |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | LOL |
| [18:40:00] | Xoritor: | GreyFoxx, true enough point taken |
| [18:41:00] | dev-: | it took me about a week to get my first backend/frontend working. then decided i needed more work so split it off into several frontends and 1 master backend. it definitely took more than a day to get it working |
| [18:42:00] | dev-: | at least for me, and i do managed hosting for fortune1000 clients on sol/linux/bsd heh. i wouldnt say myth is as much "work" as your experience with unix |
| [18:42:00] | Xoritor: | dev-, I am seeing something a little odd here |
| [18:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | My first working install took about 2 hours, but it's "evolved" greatly over the years to what it is now :) |
| [18:42:00] | Xoritor: | rbuf://x.x.x.x:6543/var/cache/Mythtv/ringbuf6.nuv |
| [18:42:00] | dev-: | odd things can lead to resolutions on google/newsgroups/etc |
| [18:42:00] | Xoritor: | wher its using my external ip |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | GreyFoxx: i spent way more than 2hrs just compiling. |
| [18:43:00] | SlushPump: | Agree, myth ain't for noobs. Or for the faint-hearted. I've been 9 months (1 day per month) + 3 weeks (2 days per week). Now I have a workable back/front end under suse. Can't burn dvd's yet, though. And I doubt I'd be able to repeat the build if I had to! |
| [18:43:00] | Xoritor: | how did you map the mysql.conf |
| [18:43:00] | Xoritor: | txt |
| [18:43:00] | Xoritor: | whatever |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | DBHostName=192.168.0.8 |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | DBUserName=mythtv |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | DBPassword=mythtv |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | DBName=mythconverg |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | LocalHostName=ares |
| [18:43:00] | Xoritor: | thing is i had this all setup and running in about 3 hours |
| [18:43:00] | dev-: | thats my mysql.txt on 1 frontend |
| [18:43:00] | Xoritor: | worked for months |
| [18:44:00] | dev-: | its the same on all frontends except the localhostname |
| [18:44:00] | Xoritor: | then all of a sudden stopped having audio |
| [18:44:00] | Xoritor: | i fixed that this morning |
| [18:44:00] | Xoritor: | now it locks up within 2 seconds of starting live tv |
| [18:44:00] | Xoritor: | movies work fine |
| [18:44:00] | dev-: | took me a good day to figure out the hostname thing |
| [18:44:00] | dev-: | i had the exact same problem :) |
| [18:44:00] | Cromz: | damn dev- make me think you hacked mine.. :> lol same ip :P |
| [18:44:00] | dev-: | nothing on google or anything helped |
| [18:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | dev-: So you don't set your local PC hostname ? |
| [18:45:00] | dev-: | i did it in mysql.txt and each mythfrontends setup.. not sure which one fixed it, but one of them did |
| [18:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just setting the OS hostname should bew fine as myth will get it from there. I've never set it in the mysql.txt |
| [18:45:00] | dev-: | i think the actual lockup problem was the backend's hostname not set in its config. just for regularlity i set it on all the frontends as well |
| [18:46:00] | dev-: | GreyFoxx: yeah, dunno, shouldve, but it appears it wasnt. |
| [18:46:00] | dev-: | soon as i set it, it 'magically worked' |
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| [18:46:00] | dev-: | hell i didnt even know about -v all back then :) |
| [18:47:00] | Xoritor: | nope does not do anything for me |
| [18:47:00] | Xoritor: | im re-re-re-re-re booting it just to be 1000% sure though |
| [18:47:00] | dev-: | toldcha this 2seconds then lockup thing seems to be a default error |
| [18:47:00] | dev-: | kind of like prebuffering pause |
| [18:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | 2hr5098- |
| [18:48:00] | Xoritor: | i get a lot of "buffering" stuff |
| [18:48:00] | Xoritor: | hmm |
| [18:48:00] | dev-: | dunno if its different or not, but i also set Custom Identifier in general preferences for each frontend, and the backend |
| [18:49:00] | dev-: | but that might be read from mysql.txt... but if you're doing hte backend/frontend on the same box this problem is most likely not yours heh |
| [18:49:00] | danieln: | hi |
| [18:50:00] | danieln: | for some reason my mythtv started running in an X window and not in fullscreen, any ideas how to fix this? |
| [18:50:00] | Xoritor: | i am getting prebuffer timeouts |
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| [18:54:00] | Hoxzer: | does myth-tv have a good DVD-support? |
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| [19:01:00] | SlushPump: | Hoxzer: I haven't tried tested reading DVD's yet, but there's some stuff there... I have no opinion on it. Burning DVD's is apparently possible but there's no formal support, but several techniques, using ProjectX, nuvexport, and/or mythburn. I've not been able to get any working yet under suse. |
| [19:03:00] | dev-: | Hoxzer: mythtv doesnt play dvds really, it spawns an external program to play dvds. which you can choose. most people use either mplayer or xine |
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| [19:03:00] | dev-: | most people like xine because it has menu support |
| [19:04:00] | dev-: | Hoxzer: but really, you can use any program for linux you want. |
| [19:04:00] | Hoxzer: | dev: ok |
| [19:04:00] | Hoxzer: | I get error with xine ;/ |
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| [19:06:00] | Hoxzer: | Oh, seems like DVD-disc was in wrong driver |
| [19:06:00] | Hoxzer: | interesting now I get only white screen :D |
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| [19:18:00] | Kigh: | woa.. someone an idea how to stop mythfrontend bugging me that there is no backend running? i do not want a backend (do not need a backend) because i have no tuner card and the backend makes my box very slow (when frontend isnt connected to backend it performs great) |
| [19:18:00] | Kigh: | searched through the mailings list, but didn't find anything useful |
| [19:19:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | why use the frontend then? |
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| [19:20:00] | Kigh: | for movies/mp3/game/news maybe? ;) |
| [19:20:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | connected to a tv? |
| [19:20:00] | dbroo: | hi all. i'm lost using mythfilldatabase and i hope someone could help please. i have two sources, freeview (DVB) and sky (satellite) – only the freeview source seems to be updating (i did have both originally). how do i make it update both sources? both are using the sajme data (radio times). thank you very much in advance! |
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| [19:20:00] | Kigh: | i'm trying to build a media box for the living room (htpc?) with mythtv .. |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | a used xbox would be cheaper |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | a used modded xbox would be cheaper |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | and better |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | if you are not recording |
| [19:21:00] | Kigh: | dont think it will be cheaper because i _have_ that box but would have to _buy_ an xbox |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | oh |
| [19:21:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | :) |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | :) |
| [19:22:00] | mchou: | Kigh: what cpu is your box? |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | the setup runs quite fine |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | 450mhz hehe |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | p3 |
| [19:22:00] | mchou: | Kigh: SECC slot? BX chipset? |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | but i want mythfrontend to _not connect_ to the backend .. so that the error message "could not connect" does not pop up |
| [19:22:00] | Kigh: | mchou: what?? |
| [19:23:00] | mchou: | Kigh: the CPU/mobo |
| [19:23:00] | Kigh: | uff |
| [19:23:00] | Kigh: | dont know .. |
| [19:23:00] | Kigh: | is this in any kind related? :) |
| [19:23:00] | mchou: | is it a slot form factor or pin form factor? |
| [19:23:00] | mchou: | Kigh: yup |
| [19:24:00] | mchou: | I just upgrade my 450 p2 to p3 850 for $10 :) |
| [19:24:00] | mchou: | upgraded* |
| [19:24:00] | mchou: | drop in replacement. |
| [19:24:00] | mchou: | plenty olf old cpus around for cheap at surplus |
| [19:25:00] | mchou: | of* |
| [19:25:00] | Kigh: | ah its slot a |
| [19:25:00] | mchou: | Kigh: tose can be upgraded to 1Ghz easy..... |
| [19:25:00] | mchou: | those* |
| [19:25:00] | mchou: | it's probably a BX chipset. |
| [19:26:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | where are these surplus stores? |
| [19:26:00] | mchou: | I have a 700MHz P3 right here doing nothing :) |
| [19:26:00] | mchou: | all over. |
| [19:26:00] | Kigh: | i dont need an upgrade at this time because movie playback etc does quite fine |
| [19:26:00] | mchou: | look up electronics surplus in phone book |
| [19:27:00] | Kigh: | only thing is myth menus .. every time the frontend queries the backend (which is in my case not necessary) its slow |
| [19:27:00] | mchou: | a 450 would unlikely play dvds w/o skipping |
| [19:27:00] | Kigh: | havent tried dvd yet :) |
| [19:27:00] | mchou: | cause I had one and it would skip on a lot of movies |
| [19:27:00] | Kigh: | but though i do not have a dvd-rom for that box at this time .. |
| [19:28:00] | Kigh: | i have a graphics card that does mpeg-decoding btw |
| [19:28:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | mpeg2 ? |
| [19:28:00] | Kigh: | think so |
| [19:28:00] | mchou: | I think 450 would be underpowered even for myth if you intend to watch on that same box. |
| [19:28:00] | Kigh: | the playback on that 450mhz-machine was more smooth than on my 2.2ghz p4!! |
| [19:28:00] | Ryushin: | What key prings up the program guid? |
| [19:28:00] | mchou: | Kigh: what graphics card is that? |
| [19:29:00] | Ryushin: | brings. |
| [19:29:00] | Kigh: | well playback of a movie-rip and playback of some futurama episodes was fine .. |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | chris@ares ~ $ grep -i guide keys.txt |
| [19:29:00] | Kigh: | mp3 playback is too |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | - M brings up the electronic program guide (Grid) — see the EPG section. |
| [19:29:00] | Ryushin: | M brings up the menu. |
| [19:29:00] | Ryushin: | I want to bring up just the guide itself. |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | sec |
| [19:29:00] | Ryushin: | I'm programming my remote. |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | S |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | begin |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | prog = mythtv |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | button = Guide |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | repeat = 3 |
| [19:29:00] | dev-: | config = S |
| [19:30:00] | dev-: | end |
| [19:30:00] | Kigh: | mchou have a radeon 9200 SE inside .. but i do only _think_ it does decode because i think the cpu would do the job _that_ good |
| [19:30:00] | Ryushin: | Perfect. Thank you. |
| [19:30:00] | dev-: | that sucks that keys.txt is wrong lol |
| [19:30:00] | dev-: | np |
| [19:30:00] | mchou: | Kigh: I'm not sure if 9200SE does mpeg decode.... |
| [19:30:00] | dev-: | hah.. S isnt even in keys.txt |
| [19:30:00] | Ryushin: | I didn't find that in the keys.txt. |
| [19:30:00] | dev-: | stupid out of date file |
| [19:30:00] | Ryushin: | yea. |
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| [19:31:00] | Ryushin: | Where is the more recent file? |
| [19:31:00] | dev-: | no idea ;/ could use it myself it appears |
| [19:31:00] | Kigh: | weöö-- |
| [19:31:00] | Kigh: | well.. :) |
| [19:32:00] | Kigh: | but my original issue was: how to disable the connection to the backend in the frontend? (frontend-only, no backend needed) |
| [19:32:00] | Ryushin: | HD is so cool. I'm so glad I got everything working. It's been such a headach. |
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| [19:34:00] | mchou: | Kigh: ok, according to 9200 spec it has iDCT and MC..... |
| [19:35:00] | mchou: | not sure about the 9200SE |
| [19:36:00] | Ryushin: | What button is previous channel? |
| [19:36:00] | Kigh: | mchou i think it has, though the playback was _too_ smooth for my p3–450 |
| [19:36:00] | Nicetomeetyou: | Ryushin, look in the file keys.txt |
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| [19:37:00] | Kigh: | it seems no one has an idea how to run frontend w/o a backend ?? |
| [19:37:00] | mchou: | nope |
| [19:37:00] | Ryushin: | I am. S wasn't there. and previous channel doesn't seem to be there either. |
| [19:37:00] | mchou: | not intended to work that way |
| [19:38:00] | mchou: | you need a back end cause I believe that talks to the DB...... |
| [19:38:00] | mchou: | so you wont get music if you dont have BE. |
| [19:38:00] | dbroo: | can anyone try and help me with my mythfilldatabase problem please? |
| [19:38:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [19:38:00] | Kigh: | mchou: no it works fine without backend |
| [19:39:00] | Kigh: | only thing is the message: "could not connect" every time i enter main menu, try to quit, configure. |
| [19:39:00] | mchou: | Kigh: use the source |
| [19:39:00] | Kigh: | i have music, database-information (images and stuff), video playback etc |
| [19:40:00] | Kigh: | mchou: and search in it where to disable the error message? :)) |
| [19:40:00] | Kigh: | img |
| [19:40:00] | mchou: | Kigh: that's why it's there |
| [19:40:00] | Kigh: | omg .. this must be easier. i'm not the only one running myth without TV |
| [19:40:00] | mchou: | Kigh: learn to use grep |
| [19:40:00] | mchou: | or rgrep in this case |
| [19:40:00] | Kigh: | mh, i know how to use grep |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | begin |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | prog = mythtv |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | button = Prev-Channel |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | repeat = 3 |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | config = H |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | end |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | Ryushin: H |
| [19:40:00] | Kigh: | -sigh- |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | heh |
| [19:40:00] | dev-: | i know ;/ |
| [19:41:00] | Kigh: | mchou: just thought it would be possible w/o patching because the functionality _is there_ |
| [19:41:00] | dev-: | now im starting to wonder how i got those keys setup in the first place if they're not in keys.txt |
| [19:41:00] | mchou: | look up keys.txt in svn |
| [19:42:00] | dev-: | they dont package a new one with each new rel? |
| [19:42:00] | mchou: | dev-: beats me |
| [19:42:00] | mchou: | that's why I suggested svn |
| [19:42:00] | dev-: | werd. |
| [19:42:00] | dev-: | yay i love foodshopping. bbl. |
| [19:42:00] | dev-: | ;/ |
| [19:43:00] | dbroo: | ok nevermind .bye |
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| [19:52:00] | ** kazan just submitted a caveat to the documentation for emu10k1 users who have line in as an audio source for one of their devices ** | |
| [19:56:00] | orb_rox: | kazan: re: crackling, or? |
| [19:56:00] | kazan: | echoin |
| [19:57:00] | kazan: | i do get a bit of crackling too |
| [19:57:00] | kazan: | i thought it was a signal issue |
| [19:57:00] | kazan: | i have kinda crappy coax running through the house |
| [19:57:00] | kazan: | i'll probably get good coax before i setup my HTPC |
| [19:57:00] | Kigh: | ok i think my patch for the "could not connect" notification dialog will work .. |
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| [19:58:00] | orb_rox: | hmm. hope that fixes it, but issues with emu10k1 (mostly alsa related, I think) seem widespread |
| [19:58:00] | Kigh: | i wanted to compile now, but i tripped up on "XcMC" ... can i use this? or does my hardware need support for this .. |
| [19:58:00] | kazan: | aye |
| [19:59:00] | kazan: | the caveat i submitted is that AC97 volume needs to be muted |
| [19:59:00] | Kigh: | orb_rox i can agree to that, i had lots of problem with that driver |
| [19:59:00] | kazan: | but AC97 Capture has to be at full |
| [19:59:00] | kazan: | so the following should be set (in alsamixer), Master, PCM unmuted, Line mute captur, Capture captur, AC97 0%/muted, AC97 Capture 100% |
| [19:59:00] | kazan: | i just turned my AC97 to zero % |
| [20:00:00] | kazan: | i didn't actually see what amixer set AC97,0 0%,0% mute would do |
| [20:01:00] | orb_rox: | interesting. I get crackling with alsa, but not OSS, so I just essentially gave up and used a diff sound card. But I'm still curious about a solution |
| [20:01:00] | kazan: | this was just a test box for me to discover FC4+mythtv caveats |
| [20:01:00] | kazan: | orb_rox: is the crackling only in the playback? or is it in the recording? |
| [20:01:00] | orb_rox: | aye. |
| [20:01:00] | kazan: | ok i'll set mythfrontend to play via OSS |
| [20:02:00] | orb_rox: | kazan: it was everywhere on playback, xmms using alsa, myth, etc. but I just swapped and use OSS driver for XMMS |
| [20:02:00] | kazan: | i'm just testing (omfg Kworld TV Tuner Xpert – hardware mpeg4.. sploodge) |
| [20:02:00] | orb_rox: | heh |
| [20:03:00] | kazan: | when i build my HTPC i'll be moving this Kworld Vstream Xpert that's in my desktop into it for connecting to my digital cable box, and i'll be putting a PVR-500 in it |
| [20:03:00] | kazan: | if i have everquest running in cedega on another virtual desktop will it cause problems with mythfrontend? (other than obvious performance things) |
| [20:06:00] | Kigh: | hm. i think compiling mythtv on my p3–450 will take some time .. |
| [20:06:00] | Kigh: | *cooking some coffee* |
| [20:07:00] | kazan: | lol |
| [20:07:00] | kazan: | just a little bit of time kigh |
| [20:07:00] | Kigh: | i can only hope my patch does the job for me |
| [20:07:00] | Kigh: | mh |
| [20:07:00] | Kigh: | and it means patching & recompiling mythtv every time a new release is out .. :( |
| [20:08:00] | Kigh: | maybe i should make a better patch that can be included in the main package |
| [20:08:00] | kazan: | why are you compiling.. what distro |
| [20:08:00] | Kigh: | a configure option "--without-tv" ("frontendonly") maybe |
| [20:08:00] | Kigh: | distro: archlinux |
| [20:09:00] | kazan: | ok.. i've never heard of that distro |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | compiling why: patched myth some minutes ago |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | there are myth packages |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | but not for my needs |
| [20:09:00] | kazan: | ah --without-tv |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | :) |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | i dont need a backend |
| [20:09:00] | kazan: | a front-end-slave |
| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | but the frontend does always inform me "could not connect" |
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| [20:09:00] | Kigh: | front-end-_slave_? |
| [20:10:00] | kazan: | wtfh |
| [20:10:00] | kazan: | NONE of the kworld ftp servers are working |
| [20:10:00] | kazan: | kigh: not "slave" as in the manner that myth means it (a slave backend) |
| [20:10:00] | kazan: | it's a "slave box" that all it does it sone thing |
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| [20:14:00] | Kigh: | mh .. i did not understand that |
| [20:14:00] | Kigh: | i'm not that good at english |
| [20:15:00] | Kigh: | -_- but i try my best |
| [20:15:00] | Kigh: | i'd call it a "standalone" frontend (w/o needing a backend because of no TV feature) |
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| [20:18:00] | sputnik: | lo |
| [20:18:00] | sputnik: | where is the backend's ip address configured in the osx frontend? |
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| [20:21:00] | sputnik: | anybody using the osx frontend? |
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| [20:22:00] | FairWtns: | sputnik: When I get cash yeah, but not now. |
| [20:22:00] | FairWtns: | Damn netsplits. |
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