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Friday, September 23rd, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] mike23skiddo2: yeah, i yield to xris and kormoc, follow their advice, good luck!
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[00:00:00] hfghfh: i have downloaded the files now xris
[00:00:00] xris: hfghfh: ok. you ever built rpm's before?
[00:02:00] hfghfh: yes, even built my own. im not that lost in the linux world as i may sound :-)
[00:03:00] hfghfh: xris, so where do you want me to start
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[00:04:00] xris: well, put the specs in your preferred redhat/SPECS directory
[00:05:00] xris: (I like /usr/src/redhat, personally)
[00:05:00] hfghfh: wait i must install svn on this machine
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[00:09:00] ** NightBird tries to figure out what is wrong with this computer that knoppix doesn't want to boot from... **
[00:09:00] sunnyhours: haha i like that name, hexbox
[00:09:00] hexbox: :)
[00:09:00] hexbox: my handle is hex
[00:09:00] hexbox: but that was taken
[00:09:00] hexbox: so was h3x
[00:09:00] hexbox: so hexbox :p
[00:09:00] sunnyhours: ahh...... i like a good computer/math pun
[00:09:00] smoke_: is there a way to controly our directtv box with mythtv?
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[00:09:00] hexbox: im having a problem.. the folder where my recordings and cache are stored can't be accessed by mythtv
[00:10:00] hexbox: i think its a permissions issue
[00:10:00] hexbox: how do i fix the problem?
[00:10:00] hexbox: sorry as im not a linux guru with the command line interface
[00:10:00] hexbox: :p
[00:10:00] xris: hexbox: chmod 777 /path/to/dir
[00:10:00] xris: heh
[00:10:00] smoke_: hexbox, chmod a+rw /path//dir
[00:10:00] sunnyhours: yeah.... what they said
[00:10:00] xris: or what smoke_ said. never did grasp the "easy" way to do that
[00:11:00] smoke_: xris, heh
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[00:11:00] hexbox: smoke_: no no, i mean how do I allow user "mythtv" to use it
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[00:11:00] hfghfh: do you have the patch to the mythsvn repoistory
[00:11:00] hexbox: its only assigned to root
[00:11:00] smoke_: hexbox, chown -R user:group /dir
[00:12:00] xris: hfghfh: huh?
[00:12:00] xris: oh, crap. forgot that I still have some atrpms patches
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[00:12:00] jhoke: heyas
[00:12:00] xris: wait, no. my specs shouldn't use patches
[00:12:00] xris: or do you mean path?
[00:13:00] hfghfh: yes, i spell like a toad
[00:13:00] xris: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/ /usr/src/svn_myth/trunk
[00:13:00] xris: or something to that extent
[00:13:00] jhoke: does anyone have a pvr150 and pvr250 in a Fedora box? I am trying to figure out what I need in modules.conf to make both work
[00:13:00] xris: it's listed at http://svn.mythtv.org/
[00:14:00] hfghfh: thanks
[00:14:00] jhoke: (and is it normal for dmesg to list a 150 as a 250 ?
[00:14:00] hfghfh: its on its way down now
[00:15:00] xris: anyway, put update.pl into /usr/src/svn_myth and make sure the paths at the top of the file are correct
[00:15:00] xris: it should pull rpm paths directly from your rpm config
[00:15:00] hexbox: thanks smoke_
[00:15:00] hexbox: it worked
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[00:16:00] hfghfh: is path /usr/src/svn_myth hard coded some where, now im using the srcdir as specified in my .rpmmacros file
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[00:17:00] xris: it's in update.pl
[00:17:00] xris: like I said, you'd need to check that
[00:17:00] mchou: man, evac in tx looks incredible
[00:17:00] grantm: jhoke: modules.conf
[00:17:00] grantm: #ivtv (PVR-150MCE)
[00:17:00] grantm: alias char-major-81 videodev
[00:17:00] grantm: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[00:17:00] grantm: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1
[00:17:00] xris: that source dir has nothing to do with the packages, so won't be in rpmmacros
[00:17:00] mchou: they are going to run outta gas sitting there going nowhere
[00:18:00] jhoke: grantm: Thanks, so it looks like I was missing the cx line...
[00:20:00] hfghfh: done, i made a symlink just in case
[00:20:00] jhoke: shit... no luck
[00:20:00] xris: mchou: bunch of people are pushing their cars... and moving at the same speed as the rest
[00:20:00] NightBird: hm...
[00:20:00] xris: hfghfh: ok. then just ./update.pl
[00:20:00] mchou: xris: yeah.
[00:20:00] hfghfh: ls
[00:20:00] hfghfh: whops :-)
[00:20:00] xris: it should update svn and create tarballs in your rpm SOURCES dir
[00:20:00] ** NightBird tries to figure out how to find the old drive on this knoppix live cd... **
[00:20:00] xris: and update the specs with the correct revision stamp
[00:20:00] mchou: xris: I dont understand why they dont open more lanes
[00:20:00] xris: mchou: beats me.
[00:21:00] mchou: like on the other side of the road.....
[00:21:00] mchou: like 2 lanes south and all others north
[00:21:00] simon_c: Hi all. I'm trying to get my remote working, and I'm at a loss of what to do even to find out if linux can understand it.
[00:21:00] hfghfh: update.pl does not run, get alls sorts of strange errors
[00:21:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: lirc.org
[00:21:00] xris: hfghfh: paste me one
[00:21:00] simon_c: I've a winfast card,
[00:22:00] hfghfh: ./update.pl: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[00:22:00] hfghfh: ./update.pl: line 1: `<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859–1"?>'
[00:22:00] xris: oh, crap
[00:22:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: what type?
[00:22:00] xris: hfghfh: redownload it... renamed with .txt suffix
[00:22:00] hfghfh: hmm, update.pl is a html page :-)
[00:22:00] xris: yeah
[00:23:00] xris: there was a 403 error on top of the server trying to execute the file
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[00:23:00] simon_c: winfast xp2000 card. I think
[00:23:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: I'm trying there, Nothing makes sence to me. In the first instance, I just want to know the linux box is actually picking up the IR first.
[00:23:00] Agrajag-: ok that cards remote is supported by the lirc_gpio module
[00:24:00] Agrajag-: is it a leadtek card?
[00:25:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Yep.
[00:25:00] hfghfh: now i work, thanks
[00:25:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Just trying modprobing lirc_gpio,
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[00:26:00] hfghfh: ls
[00:26:00] simon_c: msglog is telling me to use the "new sysfs based interface". Hummm.
[00:27:00] xris: hfghfh: better?
[00:27:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Humm. Starting lircd again is saying u nable ot open /dev/lirc, Maybe that's a problem.
[00:28:00] hfghfh: yes it runs
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[00:29:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Actually, this time it's opened with no errors. I think. :-)
[00:29:00] Agrajag-: ok – have you got the lirc.conf for the remote?
[00:30:00] hfghfh: there seems to be some problem where the script does not create subdirs like mythplugins so it cant find or create the files
[00:30:00] hfghfh: but im fixing it by hand
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[00:31:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: I copied one from /usr/share/lirc/leadteck/lircd.conf.RN-0010, yes
[00:31:00] xris: hmm
[00:31:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: ok cool.. does irw give you anything?
[00:31:00] xris: haven't run it from scratch before, so maybe.
[00:31:00] Flimzy: Tomorrow I should be getting a Motorola 6412 HDTV tuner/DVR... can I use this with MythTV over Fiberchannel like a 6200?
[00:31:00] xris: not sure which subdirs you're talking about, though
[00:31:00] hfghfh: nope it does not work
[00:31:00] jhoke: This is strange, either I have my head up my ass or something is quite wrong with my system... (I am betting on the former)... I just added a pvr150 to my box .. it shows up as /dev/video1 but I cannot get it to work
[00:31:00] hfghfh: Creating tarball: /home/gromit/develop/rpm/build//src/mythtv/mythtv-0.19.tar.bz2
[00:31:00] hfghfh: Creating tarball: /home/gromit/develop/rpm/build//src/mythplugins/mythplugins-0.19.tar.bz2
[00:31:00] hfghfh: tar: /home/gromit/develop/rpm/build//src/mythplugins/mythplugins-0.19.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[00:31:00] hfghfh: tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[00:31:00] hfghfh: Can't create tarball /home/gromit/develop/rpm/build//src/mythplugins/mythplugins-0.19.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
[00:32:00] Beirdo: fiberchannel?!
[00:32:00] Beirdo: surely you mean firewire
[00:32:00] Flimzy: blah
[00:32:00] Flimzy: yes, I mean firewire
[00:32:00] Flimzy: hehe
[00:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[00:32:00] jhoke: heh
[00:32:00] Beirdo: not sure, sorry
[00:32:00] Flimzy: too much coffee
[00:32:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: More than last time. Previously it was saying it coulnd't connect. At least now it seems to connect.
[00:32:00] Flimzy: Well my provider also offers 6200's, so I could get that instead
[00:32:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: But nothing printed when I press buttons on the remote.
[00:32:00] Flimzy: But they seem to run the same software, and are asthetically identical
[00:32:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: is lirc_dev and lirc_gpio loaded?
[00:32:00] xris: hfghfh: man, what a weird oath that is.
[00:32:00] Flimzy: so I'm hoping the difference is just the addition of a harddrive
[00:33:00] xris: s/o/p/
[00:33:00] simon_c: lirc_dev isn't. I'll modprobe that.
[00:33:00] Flimzy: However, I've _heard_ that the provider has the firewire port disabled. Is there any way to enable it without breaking laws or disabling service, etc?
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[00:33:00] jhoke: AFAIK they have to enable it if you request it, but I may be mistaken
[00:34:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Sorry, it was. I was reading the wrong collumn. (I really need more sleep !)
[00:34:00] Flimzy: they have to... meaning it's required by law for them to enable it?
[00:34:00] xris: hfghfh: well, could make the tarballs yourself.
[00:34:00] jhoke: Flimzy: I believe so, but do not quote me, IANAL
[00:34:00] Flimzy: jhoke: Certianly not if _they_ own the hardware?
[00:34:00] hfghfh: yes its a bit strange i know :-)
[00:35:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: I guess, if it was working correctly, I'd see something from irw when pressing buttons ?
[00:35:00] xris: it should pull the specdir and that stuff from rpm itself, though
[00:35:00] jhoke: Do PVR150s generally appear to lspci as PVR250's?
[00:36:00] xris: jhoke: no
[00:36:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: yeah
[00:36:00] hfghfh: yes but it does not create the mythtv and mythpluginsdirectories by it self
[00:36:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Well, that gives me something. Thanks.
[00:37:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: check dmesg output when you load the modules – it should tell you something
[00:37:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Do you know what it means when it sais (in messages) "the bttv_* interface is obsolete... please use the new sysfs based one" ?
[00:37:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Will do.
[00:37:00] halogen8: anyone in here using a WinTV-PVR 500?
[00:37:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: yeah, i get that too
[00:37:00] simon_c: lirc_gpio (-1): card type 0x22, id 0x6606107d
[00:37:00] simon_c: lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin:sample_rate: 0
[00:37:00] simon_c: lirc_gpio (0): driver registered
[00:37:00] Agrajag-: i also get lirc_gpio (-1): card type 0x22, id 0x6606107d
[00:37:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[00:38:00] xris: hfghfh: yeah, that's my bad... I have my sourcedir set to %{_topdir}/SOURCES/%{name}
[00:38:00] Agrajag-: i get all that. should work :)
[00:38:00] xris: rather than just %{_topdir}/SOURCES/
[00:38:00] Agrajag-: got batteries in your remote? :P
[00:38:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: OK. I'll try the obvious stuff. battries etc.
[00:38:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: lol
[00:38:00] jhoke: xris: thanks... something is most strange here then... dmesg reports the following:
[00:38:00] xris: just edit update.pl and set the dir to . if you want that
[00:38:00] jhoke: ivtv: ====================== NEXT CARD ======================
[00:38:00] jhoke: ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 250 card (iTVC16 based)
[00:38:00] jhoke: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:0c.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 201
[00:38:00] jhoke: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C182, serial# = 2953452
[00:38:00] jhoke: tveeprom: tuner = LG TAPC H791F (idx = 82, type = 39)
[00:38:00] Flimzy: Does MythTV have any support for PPV programming?
[00:38:00] hfghfh: wait i set mine to the same
[00:39:00] xris: Flimzy: not that I know of.
[00:39:00] xris: hfghfh: makes it a LOT easier to manage multiple packages in the same build tree.
[00:39:00] xris: esp. if you install something like the kernel packages that have a billion patches included
[00:39:00] xris: you'll likely still need to create the dirs by hand
[00:40:00] rtsai_: what's the lowest resolution/bitrate people transcode stuff to (either mythtranscode or nuvexport)?
[00:40:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: It wasn't batteries
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[00:41:00] xris: rtsai: probably whatever the psp default nuvexport encoder is.
[00:41:00] rtsai: ... for viewing on a normal television?
[00:41:00] rtsai: :P
[00:41:00] xris: then I'd say vcd.. that I know of
[00:41:00] Flimzy: Can MythTV interface with any other DVR products?
[00:42:00] xris: Flimzy: there used to be some kind of tivo plugin, but I don't know anything about it or what exactly it did
[00:42:00] Chutt: it was pretty crappy
[00:42:00] xris: figured
[00:42:00] Flimzy: I don't ahve a tivo anyway, so I guess that doesn't effect me :)
[00:43:00] jhoke: does anyone have any suggestions on how to get this pvr150 recognized?
[00:43:00] ** simon_c would love an interface with sky+ **
[00:43:00] Flimzy: I hope I can use a DCT6412 with MythTV... since it has two tuners built in
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[00:44:00] xris: jhoke: what version of ivtv?
[00:45:00] jhoke: xris: driver ivtv-0.3.8 (tagged release)
[00:45:00] jhoke: from ATRpms
[00:45:00] xris: hmm, that SHOULD work.
[00:45:00] hfghfh: xris now it creates all the tars but i get the following errors rpm/build//src/%{name}/mythtv.spec does not exist, skipping build.
[00:45:00] hfghfh: shouldnt %{name} be resolved to mythtv or something
[00:45:00] xris: hfghfh: rpmbuild -bb --target whatever-target --without arts --without firewire --without xvmcnvidia mythtv.spec
[00:45:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: irw can connect to /dev/lircd, but not /dev/lirc Is that correct /
[00:46:00] xris: or with whatever options you want.
[00:46:00] xris: shouldn't matter where you put the spec
[00:46:00] jhoke: xris: lspci -v reports:
[00:46:00] jhoke: mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 buffer stall
[00:46:00] jhoke: eusef
[00:46:00] jhoke:
[00:46:00] jhoke: er...
[00:46:00] xris: jhoke: pastebin
[00:46:00] jhoke: 03:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[00:46:00] jhoke: Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc.: Unknown device 0003
[00:46:00] jhoke: xris... right... sorry
[00:46:00] xris: (2 lines is fine — was worried you were about to send the whole thing)
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[00:48:00] xris: jhoke: similar to what mine says (Unknown device 8801)
[00:48:00] xris: that shouldn't matter
[00:48:00] xris: as long as you have the right firmware files from atrpms, and a recent version of ivtv, it should be fine
[00:48:00] jhoke: xris, modprobe, lspci and dmesg @ http://pastebin.com/371513
[00:48:00] hfghfh: now i get src/mythtv/linuxtv-dvb-1.1.1cvs20050529.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
[00:49:00] xris: ahh, forgot that you need that... url is in the spec
[00:50:00] xris: should probably grab the latest file and update the date, though
[00:50:00] jhoke: xris: edited ... here is the URL http://pastebin.com/371515
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[00:51:00] xris: jhoke: looks like maybe it's still loading the kernel's ivtv module and not the atrpms one
[00:51:00] xris: rpm -ql ivtv
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[00:52:00] jhoke: rpm -ql ivtv ... http://pastebin.com/371518
[00:53:00] hfghfh: xris, im sorry the http://linuxtv.org/download/dvb/linuxtv-dvb-1 . . . 0529.tar.bz2 does not exist there anymore
[00:53:00] xris: jhoke: oops, I guess I wanted the list of the kernel module (different package).. anyway, I think atrpms lists the modules with a different name.. so modprobe ivtv loads the kernel one, not the atrpms one
[00:54:00] xris: hfghfh: then grab 1.1.1
[00:54:00] jhoke: xris: Wierd... never had a problem before with my 250 ;)
[00:54:00] xris: guess it's no longer cvs
[00:54:00] xris: jhoke: you have a 250 in the same machine?
[00:55:00] jhoke: xris yes
[00:55:00] xris: jhoke: that's a COMPLETELY different problem.
[00:55:00] xris: search the ivtv mailing list for answers....
[00:55:00] jhoke: ok ... will do
[00:56:00] xris: apparently requires some tweaking to get both in the same machine.
[00:56:00] jhoke: Yeah.. been playing around with Jarod's howto and well... here I am ;)
[00:58:00] ** xris wishes that jarod wasn't so busy and would hang out here again **
[00:59:00] ** jhoke agrees with xris, but a man's gotta work and feed the upcoming kneebiter **
[00:59:00] xris: yes.
[01:00:00] xris: he spends most of his free time traveling with the baseball team,t oo.
[01:00:00] xris: well, did. maybe baseball season is over now.
[01:00:00] jhoke: maybe...
[01:01:00] simon_c: Ahhh Ha.
[01:01:00] jhoke: I am gonna go try a few things and reboot this pig... worst case senario is I put the 150 in another BE
[01:01:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: If I cat /dev/input/ir, I get something.
[01:01:00] jhoke: and see if it works there
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[01:02:00] hfghfh: do you have these files too mythbackend.init.in mythbackend.logrotate.in mythbackend.sysconfig.in mythbackend.logrotate.in
[01:03:00] Agrajag-: simon_c: what kernel are you using? i dont have that device – i have /dev/lirc0
[01:03:00] Agrajag-: and what lirc version?
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[01:04:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: 2.6.11.4–21.7 Suse9.3 I just messed around with yast to reconfigure the TV card, so it may have decided to use the "sysfs" based stuff.
[01:04:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: lirc 0.7
[01:04:00] Agrajag-: hmm ok. im using 2.6.13 and lirc 0.7.2
[01:05:00] simon_c: must be something suse's doing (sigh)
[01:06:00] simon_c: getting late. Just stairing at the screen not doing anything.
[01:06:00] simon_c: time to go to bed I think.
[01:06:00] simon_c: Agrajag-: Thanks for the help
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[01:08:00] Agrajag-: no worries
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[01:13:00] hfghfh: xris, i solved it with the .in files i just took my old ones and renamed them
[01:13:00] xris: hfghfh: man, I'm really sucking at this today... best way to get those is to get them from the atrpms src.rpm
[01:13:00] xris: or do that
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[01:13:00] xris: someday I should ask Chutt if he'd let me put that stuff into the main tree.
[01:14:00] hfghfh: its compiling now, so in while we will see if it will plop out some rpms or not.
[01:15:00] hfghfh: i hope you know that im extremly greatfull for your help
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[01:18:00] hfghfh: In my dream world there would be nightly src rpms that works on a vanilla fedora system whitout too much tweaking. then i could just do a rpm rebuild
[01:19:00] Tanthrix: I'm getting a weird error...mandrake install reboots system right after entering the setup
[01:20:00] Tanthrix: tried knoppix and it does the same
[01:20:00] Tanthrix: win2k install got all the way into the setup with no problems
[01:20:00] xris: hfghfh: there is nothing that'll work on vanilla fedora
[01:20:00] xris: but livna is working to get some cleaner packages than atrpms
[01:21:00] xris: (based on my specs)
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[01:21:00] xris: the big issue with atrpms is that axel tends to make his own versions of core packages... makes for HUGE problems during upgrades to new versions of fedora
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[01:24:00] hfghfh: no, but usually you can make an rpm more or less compatible. A lot of the 3:d party rpms you can find in varous repositorys uses to many special version rpms instead of using the ones the for instance redhat supports
[01:24:00] xris: yeah. mythtv's a little funky, though. requires stuff that isn't in the standard stuff because of patent/gpl issues
[01:25:00] xris: that's why livna is involved instead of just going through the fedora extras project.
[01:25:00] hfghfh: but im aware that sometime its not possible to wait for redhat to create updated versions
[01:25:00] xris: we're going to get as much of that third party stuff into extras, and then livna will hit the rest.
[01:25:00] xris: well, one of fedora's core packagers (well, actually, packager #1) wants mythtv, so he's been pushing me hard to get it in.
[01:26:00] hfghfh: if thet succed it sound like musc to me
[01:26:00] hfghfh: *they, *music
[01:26:00] xris: doubt isaac would ever allow official svn nightlies, though
[01:27:00] xris: esp. with fedora, it's a huge pain since you can't compile 64 bit stuff on non 64 bit machines, etc.
[01:27:00] hfghfh: no, but it would be nice to have in some bleeding edge repo
[01:27:00] xris: atrpms used to
[01:28:00] xris: I don't mind posting my builds, but I think if I did, my dsl line would melt
[01:28:00] hfghfh: the whole mixed 32/64bit plattform is a mess
[01:28:00] xris: yes
[01:29:00] hfghfh: usually you end up with a double installation where every package has a 386 and x86_64 version
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[01:29:00] jhoke: re's
[01:30:00] mchou: hfghfh: mixed is not good
[01:30:00] jhoke: xris: strange, rebooted and it autodetects teh 150... somone on the ivtv list noted that only on cold boots does his 150 get recognized properly,so I gave it a shot... bingo
[01:30:00] xris: jhoke: weird
[01:30:00] hfghfh: xris, what is the mythfrontend.png used for
[01:30:00] jhoke: now, Ijust need to figure out the optimal playback settings for my 17"lcd monitor
[01:31:00] xris: hfghfh: puts entries in the gnome/kde menus
[01:31:00] xris: that's what the .desktop files are all about
[01:31:00] jhoke: xris... very wierd... and modprobe.conf does not have a listing for it anymore either... VERY strange, but dont argue when shit works and you need to show the wife it does :)
[01:31:00] xris: heh
[01:31:00] xris: man, now that my wife has an ibook, I guess that means I need to figure out how to comple the osx frontend for her.
[01:32:00] jhoke: dumb question... shoudl you deinterlace playback for an LCD monitor?
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[01:32:00] xris: jhoke: for any monitor, yes.
[01:32:00] hfghfh: xris, took my old one in /usr/share/pixmaps/mythfrontend.png
[01:32:00] xris: and for any tv out card that can't be overridden NOT to re-interlace its output.
[01:32:00] jhoke: xris, that I did do (osx frontend) for my daughter ... 12" iBook... a bit slow, but not bad :)
[01:32:00] xris: 1.4G ibook should be plenty fast
[01:32:00] xris: esp. with the altivec optimizations
[01:32:00] jhoke: 1.25 iBook... and I think there are other issues with it
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[01:33:00] jhoke: is there a good faq on the setup section with suggested settings? I have not come across one yet
[01:33:00] mchou: god, I just came across some docs on the web, the suckers are supposed to populate capacitors around the sound chip on mobo. No wonder it sounds like shit
[01:34:00] mchou: now I have to get some smt caps
[01:34:00] Juski: mchou: what values do you need?
[01:35:00] mchou: Juski: havent figured that out just yet.
[01:35:00] Juski: ceramic or electrolytics?
[01:35:00] mchou: lol, SMT
[01:35:00] mchou: lil tiny ones
[01:35:00] Juski: 0805 ones?
[01:35:00] mchou: yup
[01:36:00] Juski: ceramic then
[01:36:00] mchou: it's not hard for me to get them.....
[01:36:00] Juski: okees
[01:36:00] mchou: the issue is soldering them on :)
[01:37:00] hfghfh: mchou dont tell me about it, i have one of those abit ic7-g. that mobo probably has the worlds crappyest sound. you can hear how your graphics card draws every litle pixel on the screen or when the hardrive writes soma data
[01:37:00] Juski: just have reels of em lying round in the lab @ work
[01:37:00] Juski: mchou: soldering smt caps is easy
[01:37:00] mchou: Juski: really?
[01:37:00] Juski: but you need a good pair of tweezers
[01:37:00] Juski: yes, really
[01:37:00] mchou: I have a 40W soldering iron :)
[01:37:00] Juski: use a 1/8" chisel bit on the iron
[01:37:00] Juski: get a 15w iron
[01:38:00] adante: hfghfh: heh, once i used to be able to hear feedback when i moved my mouse :)
[01:38:00] mchou: I've got good tweezers too.
[01:38:00] Juski: put a little solder on one pad – like a little mound
[01:38:00] mchou: and?
[01:38:00] Juski: then pick up the component with the tweezers. rest one end of it on the newly soldered pad & apply heat to the pad
[01:39:00] Juski: that should be enough to tack it down
[01:39:00] mchou: ok, reflow....
[01:39:00] Juski: then solder the other side properly by feeding solder into the joing
[01:39:00] Juski: and reflow the other side
[01:39:00] mchou: alright sounds easy enough.
[01:39:00] Juski: part of my job is to hand-assemble SMT boads
[01:39:00] hfghfh: i hear it every day. abit really messed things up there. i almost returned it, and looking back on it i feel a little bad i didnt
[01:40:00] Juski: and for BGA devices... a sturdy hair-dryer LOL
[01:40:00] mchou: Juski: how do you make sure hair drying doesnt desolder "other" comonents?
[01:40:00] mchou: dryer*
[01:40:00] Juski: I was kidding
[01:40:00] mchou: components*
[01:41:00] mchou: I'm not :)
[01:41:00] Juski: you can't do BGA reflow at home
[01:41:00] hfghfh: juski, why dont you just make your self a homebrew wavesoldering machine from some pots and other things you can find in the kitchen :-)
[01:41:00] Juski: great plan, but what would the WAF be? ;)
[01:41:00] mchou: I've heard ppl use hair dryers to desolder big alum electrolytic caps
[01:41:00] Juski: LOL
[01:42:00] Juski: way to age them prematurely
[01:42:00] mchou: premature??
[01:42:00] mchou: lol, they are dead to begin with :)
[01:42:00] Juski: oh yeah.. I fixed a board like that, but I desoldered em by hand
[01:43:00] hfghfh: probably not hairdryers then, but heat blowers like the one you use when you remove paint
[01:43:00] Juski: reminds me... got a board to try out when I get some time.. fixed it's Vcore regulator
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[01:44:00] hfghfh: there is a small subtle difference since one of them will put your hair on fire
[01:44:00] Juski: hfghfh.. very true... place I worked a long time ago used to remove big chips that way.. but had to be careful you didn't use too much flux or there'd be a fire
[01:44:00] kappaiidx||shaw: Hi.
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[01:45:00] kappaiidx: I have a question regarding TV/Video Capture Cards, could someone help me?
[01:45:00] Juski: hmmm anyone here use a video capture device?
[01:46:00] mchou: kappaiidx: only if you ask
[01:46:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[01:46:00] kappaiidx: Does anyone know the least "laggy" video capture card out there right now?
[01:46:00] Juski: mpeg encoding cards will always have lag
[01:46:00] kappaiidx: AVI?
[01:47:00] mchou: kappaiidx: get a sw encode, virtually no lag
[01:47:00] Juski: even software encoding cards have lag in mythtv because of its bufferring
[01:47:00] kappaiidx: .
[01:47:00] mchou: kappaiidx: why you want one for your game console? :)
[01:48:00] kappaiidx: Yes.
[01:48:00] kappaiidx: To make Beatmania IIDX and Pop'n Music videos.
[01:48:00] kappaiidx: Where timing is critical.
[01:48:00] mchou: lol
[01:48:00] kappaiidx: yea...
[01:48:00] Juski: Beatmania?
[01:48:00] Juski: is that a game?
[01:48:00] kappaiidx: Yes.
[01:49:00] kappaiidx: It will be coming out in the US early next year.
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[01:49:00] mchou: man, this DR is crazy......
[01:49:00] kappaiidx: ?
[01:49:00] gunerh: anybody is using PVR 250 with freebsd ?
[01:49:00] kappaiidx: So does anyone know what I can do?
[01:49:00] Juski: fair enough... it's been a while since I was 'down wit da kidz'
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: There are 30 year old people that play this game.
[01:50:00] gunerh: I succeed using it with TUNER but I could not get SVIDEO input.. why can it be?
[01:50:00] mchou: kappaiidx: dont use myth :)
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: What should I use?
[01:50:00] mchou: kappaiidx: dunno, really
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: And what card should I buy? PCI or USB?
[01:50:00] Juski: PCI for least lag
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[01:50:00] kappaiidx: And then get SW Encode?
[01:51:00] mchou: yup.
[01:51:00] Juski: buy a bottom line hauppauge card
[01:51:00] kappaiidx: ...
[01:51:00] Juski: or something like that
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[01:52:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
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[01:52:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[01:52:00] kappaiidx: SW Encode is just a general term right?
[01:52:00] kappaiidx: Software Encode?
[01:52:00] mchou: yup.
[01:52:00] Juski: it means there's no hardware on the card to compress the video
[01:52:00] kappaiidx: Any specific programs?
[01:53:00] Juski: for w*****s, DSCALER... for Linux.. xawtv, tvtime...
[01:55:00] hfghfh: but then why do you have to view the recording in realtime, why not just hook up the game directly to your displaydevice and mythbox instead of go through the mythbox
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[01:55:00] kappaiidx: Why do none of the Hauppauge cards have audio inputs?
[01:55:00] mchou: sure they do :)
[01:56:00] kappaiidx: Not at BestBuy ;<
[01:56:00] hfghfh: my pvr500 has even two of them
[01:56:00] kappaiidx: I wanted to go buy one right now.
[01:56:00] mchou: kappaiidx: dont go to worstbuy then
[01:56:00] hfghfh: or four if you only care for mono
[01:57:00] kappaiidx: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 091099665361
[01:57:00] kappaiidx: Is that crap?
[01:58:00] mchou: lol, dont buy that one
[01:58:00] mchou: you getting ripped
[01:58:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[01:58:00] xris: kappaiidx: when you can get a pvr-150 for less, yes.
[01:59:00] Juski: eew ATI
[01:59:00] mchou: if you're really desperate get this: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . amp;pfp=cat3
[02:00:00] mchou: other store would have it too (probably at lower prices)
[02:00:00] mchou: stores*
[02:00:00] kappaiidx: Are there pictures of the inputs for it?
[02:01:00] kappaiidx: And I can spend more than that, I just don't want to get ripped off.
[02:01:00] mchou: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . =ex#moreinfo
[02:01:00] mchou: not pics but words
[02:02:00] mchou: hmm, no svideo is bad
[02:02:00] kappaiidx: Why doesn't it have audip input?
[02:02:00] Juski: it does
[02:02:00] mchou: kappaiidx: sure it does
[02:02:00] redfox: svideo output isn't working in X on my nvidia card, can someone give me the relevant xorg.conf?
[02:02:00] kappaiidx: What's mini-phone?
[02:02:00] kappaiidx: not RCA
[02:03:00] mchou: micrphone, just smaller :)
[02:03:00] Juski: eighth inch jack socket
[02:03:00] Juski: like walkman headphone stuff
[02:03:00] mchou: kappaiidx: where you live?
[02:03:00] kappaiidx: Connecticut.
[02:03:00] kappaiidx: I need to have it rip audio and video
[02:03:00] mchou: bah, too bad. No Frys near you
[02:03:00] kappaiidx: oh
[02:03:00] kappaiidx: wait
[02:04:00] xris: w00t. fixed my mouseover (popups/menus) javascript library.. now I can put it into mythweb.
[02:04:00] kappaiidx: Ok.
[02:04:00] xris: gotta love work sponsoring mythtv development.  :)
[02:04:00] Juski: xris.. you did mythweb?! you da man!
[02:04:00] kappaiidx: So I was just told most cards come with RCA -> 1/8 converters
[02:04:00] redfox: do I need to have a certian resolution to do tv out to a crt on svideo?
[02:04:00] xris: Juski: I used to be proud of it. now I think the code is pretty crappy and needs another complete rewrite.
[02:04:00] Juski: redfox: http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia:TV-OUT
[02:05:00] redfox: Juski, thanks I'll check it out
[02:05:00] xris: redfox: depends on your video card... but svideo can't really do more than 720x480 (so use 640x480 or at most 800x600)
[02:05:00] Juski: the TV encoder on the card scales the video to PAL or NTSC screensizes anyway
[02:05:00] redfox: xris, alright I was trying 640x480, but I must be missing some other setting
[02:05:00] xris: Juski: but I do like to think that I'm responsible for the two most popular additions to mythtv (mythweb and nuvexport)
[02:06:00] xris: redfox: probably video card specific
[02:06:00] xris: Juski: exactly. no use using more cpu to render the screen and resize movie playback than necessary.
[02:06:00] Juski: and at the risk of sounding sycophantic... a big thanks to all the mythtv developers & tweakers too
[02:07:00] Juski: if only for helping me stick a big middle finger to Rupert Murdoch
[02:07:00] Juski: :D
[02:07:00] ** Juski remembers this channel is logged.. oopsie **
[02:08:00] mchou: big deal
[02:09:00] mchou: Juski: you think Murdoch is going to come after you? :)
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[02:09:00] Juski: lol
[02:09:00] Juski: he'll be after my money when HDTV hits the UK
[02:10:00] Juski: supposedly starts in 2010 on public broadcasting.. no idea if we'll be able to use PC capture devices then :(
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[02:17:00] hfghfh: xris, i have a compile problem again, or rather installproblem. it seems that make install does not copy the mythfrontend and some other binarys. has this happened to you when you did it
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[02:18:00] xris: hfghfh: not recently.. specs should be fine.
[02:18:00] xris: could be related to the 64 bit stuff
[02:19:00] JoshTriplett: Hello. I just had my MythTV box lock up, and after I rebooted it, several of the recordings were missing. This is confusing MythTV rather a lot, as it still has the metadata about those files. How do I tell MythTV they don't exist anymore?
[02:19:00] hfghfh: the files it fails to copy is /usr/bin/mythfrontend /usr/bin/mythcommflag /usr/bin/mythbackend, these files has been created so its only a copy problem
[02:20:00] jhoke: Josh, you could create a "dummy" file then delete them via the frontend
[02:20:00] jhoke: if you know the filenames that is ;)
[02:20:00] hfghfh: i dont use 64 anymore, this is a pure i386 system, 32 bit anyway
[02:20:00] Juski: I'd be more concerned about why files just 'went missing', Josh
[02:21:00] ** jhoke agrees with Juski **
[02:21:00] jhoke: is there anything in common with the missing files?
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[02:24:00] xris: hfghfh: ahh, that's weird, then.
[02:24:00] xris: you try --target i686 ?
[02:24:00] xris: not that it should matter
[02:24:00] xris: might be something weird in your rpm macros, too
[02:25:00] Juski: Josh: what filesystem are you using?
[02:27:00] hfghfh: yes i just did i686, i must be something in make thats not working on my setup since it fails to find those files
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[02:28:00] xris: are the files there?
[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: xris: do you transcode(nuvexport) many of your pvr card generated recordings ?
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[02:31:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: JFS.
[02:31:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: On top of LVM.
[02:31:00] Juski: ahh
[02:32:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Most of the guides I saw recommended either JFS or XFS.
[02:32:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: I normally tend to go with Old Reliable, ext3.
[02:32:00] Juski: anyway – the short term solution to the problem is to look at the mythbackend log file... find out what the missing filenames are... (it'll complain it can't find them)
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[02:32:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: And just create dummy files as jhoke suggested?
[02:33:00] Juski: then create dummy files with the same names, in the right place
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[02:33:00] Juski: then you'll be able to delete them
[02:33:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Will do. Seems rather annoying though.
[02:33:00] Juski: (from the DB as well)
[02:33:00] ** JoshTriplett is mostly concerned with why the machine hung though. **
[02:33:00] ** JoshTriplett suspects IVTV, but doesn't know for sure. **
[02:33:00] Juski: yeh well recordings vanishing isn't what you'd call expected (or programmed for) behaviour
[02:34:00] hfghfh: hmm, router seems to have disconnected me for a while there
[02:34:00] Juski: I had a power cut a few weeks ago... infact I've had a few outages... myth's never lost anything & I run on ext3 (no LVM though)
[02:34:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: You run your recordings on ext3 as well?
[02:35:00] Juski: call me old fashioned
[02:35:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: No problems with deletion delays?
[02:35:00] Juski: people talk about ext3 taking years to delete big files.. but I rm the file & zap! it's gone baby
[02:35:00] JoshTriplett: Huh.
[02:35:00] xris: GreyFoxx: almost all of them
[02:35:00] xris: 2-pass xvid --transcode
[02:35:00] ** JoshTriplett tried that on his laptop, and it took several seconds to delete multi-gigabyte files. **
[02:36:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Well, if that's the case, I think I'll be switching to ext3 then. :)
[02:36:00] Juski: that's what i cant understand.. people say ext3 is slow at deletions of >5GB files... but I hit delete in mythtv, do a df a second later & the space is back
[02:36:00] GreyFoxx: xris: I'm trying to find out why all of my transcodes come out "blocky." .. In your recording profile what resolution/bitrate are you using? What settings do you use with nuvexport ?
[02:37:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: To be honest though, "files disappeared after a crash" is concerning me less than the crash itself.
[02:37:00] xris: GreyFoxx: the defaults are my settings.
[02:37:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Do you use a PVR-?50
[02:37:00] xris: try --transcode, though
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: nuvexport --transcode ?
[02:37:00] Juski: what I'm worried about is that maybe more than just the recordings have vanished...
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[02:37:00] xris: I've found ffmpeg to be pretty crappy for quality, but people bugged me to make it the default so I did
[02:37:00] Juski: no, Josh.. I use DVB-T
[02:37:00] xris: GreyFoxx: yes.. or set it in nuvexportrc
[02:38:00] xris: anyway, I'm outta here... will be back at some point when I get home.
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[02:38:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: There isn't much more than those couple of recordings to disappear; everything but /mythtv is on the root partition, on ext3.
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[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: Do any of the transcode related settings I have in mythfrontend affect what comes out of mythtranscode when nuvexport gets data from it? I've messed around with the default sin there too heh
[02:38:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: And I'm still in the setup phase here.
[02:38:00] Juski: fair enough I suppose
[02:38:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Trying to get it stable enough for the living room.
[02:38:00] Juski: any hints in the log?
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[02:41:00] Juski: gah.. I'm gonna have to head to bed.. good luck JoshTriplett :)
[02:41:00] Juski: night all
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[02:41:00] JoshTriplett: Juski: Nothing problematic in /var/log/messages. The only errors I see in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log are errors after the most recent recordings, saying "[mpeg2video @ 0xb77ef014]ac-tex damaged at 22 6" and another similar.
[02:41:00] JoshTriplett: Ah, nevermind. :)
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[02:46:00] qfx: Looking for help: No sound out of my capture card :( Video quality is great though
[02:46:00] hfghfh: what is /src/moc/ make cant find it cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory
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[02:50:00] hfghfh: so what part of the world are you guys from, its getting pretty late where i am, almost 3 am in the morning
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: Halifax, Nova Scotia , Canada here
[02:52:00] qfx: Vancouver, BC, Canada... still looking for help :)
[02:52:00] qfx: And having been to Halifax a few times I love it
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: I use to live in Victoria for a while when I wsa younger :)
[02:53:00] hfghfh: on the opposite side of the big blu pool the, Sweden here
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[02:54:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: What capture card?
[02:55:00] qfx: Hauppauge PVR-150MCE
[02:56:00] qfx: I installed the IVTV driver from source. I extracted the firmware from a download from the hauppauge site. I'm not 100% sure I'm using the right audio firmware, but I THINK I am
[02:56:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: What version of the IVTV drivers?
[02:56:00] qfx: 0.3.9
[02:57:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Have you tried booting with acpi=off?
[02:57:00] hfghfh: so how is it in Canada, is was once thinking on moving there if only had found a job.
[02:57:00] qfx: hfghfh what do you do for work?
[02:57:00] qfx: josh No. I don't think I have
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: hf : People will find fault with anything, but I like it :)
[02:57:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: Will that still allow me to shut down the computer properly?
[02:57:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Give that a try; it fixed several problems I was having. Yes, it will.
[02:58:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: That's a kernel option right? How do I boot with it off?
[02:58:00] hfghfh: software development and database systemadministration
[02:58:00] qfx: hfghfh What language for dev?
[02:58:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: What do you mean?
[02:58:00] qfx: How do I boot with acpi=off?
[02:59:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Are you using lilo, grub, or something else?
[02:59:00] qfx: grub
[02:59:00] hfghfh: mostly java
[02:59:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Does it display a menu on boot?
[02:59:00] qfx: Yup
[02:59:00] qfx: hfghfh The company I work for is looking for a Java developer. The pay might not be as high as you'd get in teh states
[03:00:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Just hit "e" to edit the boot options for a kernel, go to the line with options on it, and hit "e" to edit that. Add acpi=off at the end, hit enter, then hit "b" to boot. If it works, you can make it permanent by editting /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[03:00:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Clarification, add " acpi=off" at the end; you need a space separating it from the other options. :)
[03:00:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: Thanks! I'll try that right away (or in 45 seconds)
[03:01:00] hfghfh: sounds interresting, which company.
[03:01:00] qfx: The Active Network.... How much experience do you have?
[03:01:00] GreyFoxx: p
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[03:03:00] hfghfh: but then its, a big move to travel from sweden to canada.
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[03:04:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Any luck with acpi=off?
[03:05:00] qfx: Just going to reboot right now
[03:05:00] JoshTriplett: Cool.
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[03:07:00] hfghfh: never heard of them but what does the active network do. i been programming in java since 98 but only a few years professionally
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[03:09:00] JoshTriplett: Well, making a dummy file to delete worked fine.
[03:09:00] JoshTriplett: Now to trace down the crash.
[03:09:00] JoshTriplett: And to switch to ext3...
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[03:11:00] Niak: hi all, I am on a quest for some simple info, I currently use VDR, and was wondering if mythtv was similar in operation to VDR (uses onboard mpeg2 decoder, and OSD support of a nexus dvb card, etc)
[03:13:00] GreyFoxx: Niak: Myth wouldn't use the onboard mpegdecoder or OSD of that card
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[03:13:00] hfghfh: so which filesystem is recommended for use by myth, according to the fedora mythology site ext is no god for big files
[03:13:00] hfghfh: ext3 that is
[03:14:00] qfx: Back
[03:14:00] qfx: still no sound
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: hfghfh: the overall favourite is xfs -> jfs -> reiser
[03:14:00] Chutt: hrmph
[03:14:00] Chutt: lotta macroblocking on csi
[03:14:00] Chutt: i wonder if that's comcast or the local cbs station reducing the bitrate
[03:15:00] simcop2387: macroblocking?
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: probably both :)
[03:15:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: That's what I heard as well, and I tried JFS, but Juski said that he uses ext3 and doesn't have any of the deletion speed problems that people talk about.
[03:15:00] qfx: Did the guy who was helping me have to go?
[03:15:00] simcop2387: Chacabaou: ah you're getting the HDTV aren't you
[03:15:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: I'm right here. :)
[03:15:00] qfx: whew!
[03:16:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Any luck?
[03:16:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Ah, guess not.
[03:16:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: So I added that, and no worky. I wonder if the problem is simply that I don't have the right codec for playing the sound? When I try WMP it says "error downloading codec" but the video works great
[03:16:00] qfx: Unfortunately, I've never had much luck getting sound out of my linux speakers, so I've been capturing the video to a shared folder and playing on windows
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[03:17:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Could very well be.
[03:17:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Try downloading videolan and using that.
[03:17:00] qfx: Videolan... OK, I'm diong a websearch now
[03:17:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: It runs on windows as well.
[03:17:00] qfx: Videolan.org ... tough URL!
[03:18:00] hfghfh: ok, so its only because of slow deletes that ext3 is a no go
[03:18:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: What soundcard do you have?
[03:18:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: Right.
[03:18:00] qfx: onboard AC97
[03:18:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Motherboard audio?
[03:19:00] qfx: It worked under FC3, but I upgraded to 4 and I haven't put much effort into it
[03:19:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Is it the Intel integrated audio?
[03:19:00] qfx: JoshTriplett I think so
[03:19:00] hfghfh: i know reiserfs at least is very god at handling small files
[03:19:00] ** JoshTriplett uses that as well, and it works just fine with ALSA. **
[03:19:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: Yeah; tail-packing for example.
[03:20:00] hfghfh: but thats not something you usually have in a video system, since capture files can be huge
[03:20:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: Right.
[03:20:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: You might just try going with ext3, and changing it later if you have any problems.
[03:20:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: No codec errors, no sound
[03:20:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Hmmm.
[03:21:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Are you tuned properly?
[03:21:00] xris: hfghfh: xfs is the unofficial preferred filesystem
[03:21:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Try "ptune 4" and try again.
[03:21:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: Sure think so. I've done it via ptune
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: There have been many complaints about no sound recently. And I see a lot of discussion about it on the ivtv mailing list
[03:21:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Ah, OK.
[03:21:00] xris: followed by jfs (which I don't really know anything about), then ext3
[03:21:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: That's what I did :( THe video quality is amazing though!
[03:21:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Indeed. I have the PVR-350 with the TV-out, and it looks great.
[03:22:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: And takes up 2Gb an hour. :)
[03:22:00] ** JoshTriplett will definitely need to do transcoding. **
[03:23:00] NightBird: yeah...
[03:23:00] ** NightBird needs to look into doing transcoding... **
[03:24:00] qfx: JoshTriplett: I'm getting about a meg a second from MPEG-2. I'm hoping I could do some hardware resizing, and definitely some DIVX transcoding
[03:24:00] qfx: Well there's sound coming now (from the "play test sound")
[03:24:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: That's good.
[03:25:00] qfx: Great, now I can at least just 'mplayer /dev/video' to test changes
[03:25:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: I suppose I should check the standard stuff too: do you get sound from other Windows applications? Is sound unmuted and turned up?
[03:25:00] hfghfh: i have been using ext3 sofar on an lvm volume
[03:25:00] JoshTriplett: hfghfh: That's what I'm about to switch to.
[03:25:00] qfx: JoshTriplett Yuppers. Got lots of sound now. Just no sound from the TV card :( I Can transport the file between systems too (Linux, Windows boxen etc) and nothing in it from anything
[03:25:00] xris: hfghfh: you'll find that xfs makes mythtv a bit more responsive
[03:26:00] xris: ext3 pretty much sucks for any manipulation of files over 300M or so
[03:26:00] qfx: Is there something fundamental I might be missing? I thought it put the sound in with the MPEG
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: qfx it does
[03:26:00] JoshTriplett: xris: Had any stability or reliability problems with XFS?
[03:26:00] mchou: xfs is the bomb
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: either your not loading the right firmware, have a module issue, or are running into a bug that many 150mce users have reported with sound issues
[03:27:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: ^^^
[03:27:00] qfx: GreyFoxx: How can I check which might be the problem?
[03:27:00] GreyFoxx: qfx: I would go look at the ivtv-dev mailing list, and check with the guys in #ivtv-dev
[03:27:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: great for storing myth recordings
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[03:27:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: I'm using JFS right now, and I just lost two recent recordings when the machine crashed.
[03:27:00] simcop2387: mythtv behaves erratically when changing the schedule mid recording, it refuses to record the new recording that has priority, it prefers to finish recording the lower priority show
[03:28:00] hfghfh: xris, i now got some pretty nice looking rpms here, so one more time thanks for the help
[03:28:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: (Fortunately nothing important as I'm still in the process of setting up the machine.)
[03:28:00] qfx: http://pastebin.ca/23657 : There's some evidence that mplayer thinks that there IS an audio stream
[03:28:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: I havent lost anything on xfs, and I just had a power outtage last week.
[03:28:00] qfx: it's at least trying to open on
[03:29:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: but I'm surprised that you lost stuff on JFS......
[03:29:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: So was I. :/
[03:29:00] mchou: that wasnt supposed to happen :)
[03:29:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Crash, fsck, missing files.
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: qfx: run ivtvctl -a and look at the Volume and Mute bits (likely at the end). What are they set to ?
[03:30:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: file a bug report with IBM :)
[03:30:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: I'm sure they want to know what went on.
[03:32:00] qfx: Volume = 60928, Mute = 0
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: ok, so It's not muted nor too low
[03:32:00] qfx: I'm not sure I managed to turn off acpi, there's an acpi message in /var/log/messages
[03:32:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Which says...?
[03:33:00] qfx: Sep 22 18:11:02 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
[03:33:00] qfx: Sep 22 18:11:02 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.3[D] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[03:33:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Are you sure that's from your most recent boot, and not a previous log?
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: I doubt that is connected to your lack of sound.
[03:33:00] qfx: Seems like the right time/date
[03:33:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: I doubted that ACPI was the cause of my card stuttering after ten minutes or so, but it was. :)
[03:34:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: Disabling it also fixed Xv support in ivtvdev.
[03:34:00] qfx: http://pastebin.ca/23658
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: JoshTriplett: Well the lack of sound on 150mce cards is quite common, and not acpi related
[03:34:00] qfx: JoshTriplett, how do I disable it again?
[03:34:00] qfx: go to grub, press e, go to the end of the line, add "acpi=off" at the end?
[03:34:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: If those are the only messages containing "ACPI" in your boot log, then you did disable it.
[03:34:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: Yes, that's right.
[03:34:00] qfx: well " acpi=off"
[03:34:00] qfx: ok, I think I did that right
[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: You could also add "pci=noacpi", whihc would probably eliminate those last couple of messages.
[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: qfx: But as GreyFoxx said, doubtful that that would help.
[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: Interesting; I'll have to remember to avoid the 150s then.
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: JoshTriplett: It's actively being workede on. It's become more of a problem recently from the look of the mailing list
[03:36:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: I'll probably be wanting an additional tuner at some point; I was going to look into the 500, but as that's just a pair of 150s, which seem to be problematic...
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: the 150mce's seemed to be more of a problem than the regular 150's
[03:36:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: That's comforting then.
[03:36:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: there is nothing wrong w/150's. I have 5 of them
[03:36:00] qfx: Yah, the 150 so far seems to be causing me some problem
[03:36:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: 5? :)
[03:36:00] qfx: mchou, think you might be able to help?
[03:36:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Nice.
[03:36:00] qfx: Have any sound issues?
[03:36:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: yup
[03:36:00] mchou: nope
[03:36:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: One box or several?
[03:36:00] mchou: 2 boxen
[03:37:00] ** JoshTriplett only has one more PCI slot in the box he's building. **
[03:37:00] JoshTriplett: So a 500 seems appealing.
[03:37:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: haha, you have one more slot than I do :)
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: I've yet to use a 150 so I haven't had to deal with any of the issues
[03:37:00] qfx: I have one more PCI slot as well, probably going to put an IDE controller in there so I can have mor HD space
[03:38:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: This is a smallish tower, with just 3 PCI slots. One has the 350 and one has a wireless card.
[03:38:00] mchou: bah, move the wireless card to usb :)
[03:38:00] ** xris ponders making nuvexport stop working with mythtv <= .18 **
[03:38:00] ** JoshTriplett has had many reliability issues with USB wireless in the past. **
[03:38:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: ok, your call :)
[03:38:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Plus the PCI card was ~$25. :)
[03:39:00] mchou: usb wireless is around $19 after rebates
[03:39:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Works flawlessly, unlike my PVR-350. :)
[03:39:00] mchou: $10*
[03:40:00] mchou: qfx: what ver ivtv you using?
[03:40:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Is that what you're using?
[03:40:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: USB wireless?
[03:40:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: nah, all my boxen are wired :)
[03:40:00] qfx: mchou 0.3.9
[03:40:00] mchou: on my laptop I use usb wireless
[03:41:00] mchou: qfx: try 3.4-x
[03:41:00] qfx: mchou brand new?
[03:41:00] mchou: qfx: what's brand new?
[03:41:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Which driver?
[03:42:00] qfx: oh, 0.2.4-x
[03:42:00] qfx: where can I get that?
[03:42:00] qfx: *0.3.4-
[03:42:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Why 0.3.4 ?
[03:42:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: usbnet
[03:42:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: because it works?
[03:43:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Fair enough; I meant "why an old version of the unstable branch, as opposed to latest stable or latest unstable?"
[03:43:00] mchou: same answer
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[03:44:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: What works with 0.3.4 that doesn't with 0.3.8 for you?
[03:44:00] mchou: havent tried 3.8
[03:45:00] ** JoshTriplett has definitely had more luck with the 0.3 branch. **
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[03:46:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: One nice thing about the latest 0.3 drivers is that Xv works quite well with ivtvdev, so I can play non-MPEG2 video on the 350's output.
[03:46:00] qfx: 0.3.7 doesn't work
[03:46:00] qfx: Just tried
[03:46:00] mchou: qfx: lol
[03:46:00] mchou: which part of 3.4-x dont you grok?
[03:47:00] NightBird: how do you give permissions again?
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: NightBird: chmod
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: ls
[03:47:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: I dont have 350, so YMMV :)
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: Heh, sorry.
[03:48:00] LarruManChu: damnit... my CSI recording got screwed up. Apparently I deleted Survivor while it was commercial flagging it and all hell broke lose. mythlog usually tells me that commercial flagging was abborted when I do this but this time nothing and even though the backend is reporting that CSI is still recording it's only 11:02 long and it should be at least 48:00
[03:48:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: Seems like every PVR-{1,2,3}50 requires a fair amount of twiddling and musical drivers to get working. :)
[03:49:00] ** JoshTriplett is hoping to get his box in non-crashing mode before CSI comes on here. **
[03:49:00] mchou: JoshTriplett: heh, wait till you try to interoperate with diff x50's in one box
[03:49:00] LarruManChu: mchou: even if you had a 350 YMMV
[03:49:00] mchou: or with m179.
[03:49:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Heh, true enough.
[03:50:00] JoshTriplett: mchou: m179?
[03:50:00] ** DarkBeer 's mythbox records CSI just fine :) **
[03:50:00] qfx: mchou 3.4 isn't on their site, got a tgz for me?
[03:50:00] LarruManChu: thanks DB
[03:50:00] mchou: yeah, avermedia card
[03:50:00] mchou: qfx: it's on the site
[03:50:00] qfx: mchou would you mind finding me a URL?
[03:50:00] DarkBeer: LarruManChu, if I had some upload bandwidth, I'd send it to you
[03:51:00] DarkBeer: 'course CSI doesn't start for another 10 mins
[03:51:00] mchou: qfx: the url is one the first line of the page you're looking at
[03:51:00] qfx: ok
[03:51:00] LarruManChu: yeah I'll download it but I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me
[03:51:00] DarkBeer: not me, sorry
[03:52:00] LarruManChu: SNAFU
[03:52:00] DarkBeer: yep
[03:52:00] LarruManChu: I swear my box is in the twilight zone... I have problems NOBODY has
[03:53:00] LarruManChu: I think my pvr-350 is possesed by a mischevious gremlin
[03:53:00] LarruManChu: and my pvr-150 is a damn lyer
[03:53:00] LarruManChu: liar even
[03:54:00] mchou: bah, 350's hardly seem worth it for the amt of hair you guys are oulling out
[03:54:00] qfx: mchou I got it, did a 'make' then 'make install' and then 'modprobe ivtv' but there's no /dev/video ... how can I make the node properly?
[03:54:00] LarruManChu: mine was working great until I overheated it
[03:54:00] qfx: LarruManChu Ever have sound problems with your 150?
[03:54:00] mchou: qfx: sigh....
[03:54:00] LarruManChu: constant
[03:54:00] LarruManChu: volume right q?
[03:54:00] qfx: mchou so you're saying you don't know?
[03:55:00] qfx: mchou sorry if I'm not a linux guru, but I'm just trying to make this wokr
[03:55:00] qfx: *work
[03:55:00] mchou: qfx: I know. I'd just wish you'd do your own homework
[03:55:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: One suggestion: there's a patch on the MythTV mailing list somewhere to prevent deletion of programs that are currently being processed, such as commflagging.
[03:55:00] qfx: mchou, I don't know if you're an asshole in real life, or just on here, but no thanks for your lack of help.
[03:55:00] LarruManChu: he's just frustrated because you can look it up on google very easily
[03:55:00] ** JoshTriplett thinks that might be the source of his previous crash. **
[03:56:00] mchou: qfx: how to win friends and influence ppl :)
[03:56:00] LarruManChu: there's some great guides on installing ivtv
[03:56:00] qfx: mchou take apage out of Josh Triplett's book, he was actually helpful. I've done all the homework I can, I did a thousand google searches, I followed several guides, and I read every FAQ. I come here to try and get a little personal help from people who have had similar experiences, and you try to pretend you're smarter than everyone
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[03:57:00] mchou: qfx: how am I pretending?
[03:57:00] DarkBeer: heh
[03:57:00] LarruManChu: Josh: it's odd because usually it just aborts the commflagging and log that action. This is the first time I've seen this
[03:57:00] qfx: mchou you're really just an idiot who wants to feel smart. People like JoshTriplett and GreyFoxx actually are trying to help people, and you jsut wanna sit there and blame people for not doing their homework
[03:57:00] qfx: mchou, I gaurauntee you're not smarter than anyone else here
[03:57:00] mchou: qfx: ok, I lose
[03:57:00] mchou: :)
[03:57:00] qfx: mchou you certainly have
[03:57:00] mchou: right
[03:57:00] DarkBeer: at least I can spell guarantee
[03:57:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: I've had that problem multiple times, and it generally goes nuts.
[03:58:00] mchou: I'm feeling so remorseful
[03:58:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Right now I'm just trying to figure out why my box hung a few hours ago.
[03:58:00] DarkBeer: csi...bye
[03:58:00] qfx: mchou at least other people have tried to help. It's like you're actively trying to be an ass
[03:58:00] qfx: congrats
[03:58:00] LarruManChu: qtx: I feel your pain... but chillax dude
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[03:59:00] LarruManChu: josh: what's happening when the crash occurs?
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[03:59:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: It was just recording normally.
[03:59:00] qfx: LarruManchu fair enough. Good advice. I'm gonna go relax for a second and come back in a half hour
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[03:59:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: And commercial flagging.
[04:00:00] LarruManChu: josh: anything in dmesg?
[04:00:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Squat.
[04:00:00] LarruManChu: anything in mythlog?
[04:01:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: The only unusual thing I see at all is a couple of mpeg2 error messages.
[04:02:00] LarruManChu: josh: pvr-350 through tvout?
[04:02:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Right. ivtv-fb, ivtvdev.
[04:02:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Works flawlessly otherwise.
[04:02:00] LarruManChu: josh: which x-driver version?
[04:03:00] JoshTriplett: Latest; /me looks up what that is.
[04:03:00] JoshTriplett: 0.10.6
[04:03:00] JoshTriplett: And ivtv 0.3.8
[04:03:00] JoshTriplett: MythTV 0.18.1
[04:03:00] LarruManChu: and this has been going on for a while or is it recent?
[04:04:00] JoshTriplett: Well, I've only had the box for a couple of days. :)
[04:04:00] JoshTriplett: And it only started recording correctly yesterday.
[04:04:00] LarruManChu: might want to try scaling back to 0.3.7
[04:04:00] JoshTriplett: But no stability problems after I used acpi=off.
[04:04:00] JoshTriplett: Why is that?
[04:05:00] LarruManChu: I've read a couple posts on ivtv-dev that indicated some people had a couple lockups and went back
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[04:05:00] JoshTriplett: And stopped having lockups?
[04:05:00] LarruManChu: not sure.... looking for the posts
[04:05:00] ** JoshTriplett too **
[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: JoshTriplett: What kind of motherboard ?
[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: Cause I know for a long time anyone with an nforce2 board had serious issues when acpi support was enabled
[04:06:00] GreyFoxx: It use to lock me up hard
[04:06:00] LarruManChu: I think all my problems are MB related. thinking about replacing it. I have a AMD 2800+ barton... any suggestions?
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[04:07:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: Intel.
[04:07:00] ** JoshTriplett would have to look up the exact model. **
[04:07:00] mchou: LarruManChu: what chipset you got?
[04:07:00] protonchris: JoshTriplett: it looks like ivtv has a 0.3.9 release out today. It might be worth a try. I haven't used it though.
[04:07:00] JoshTriplett: protonchris: It's a thought.
[04:08:00] ** JoshTriplett is hoping to get this box into a stable state at some point. **
[04:08:00] LarruManChu: nforce2
[04:09:00] mchou: LarruManChu: hehe....
[04:09:00] JoshTriplett: Hmmm; ivtvdriver.org still lists 0.3.8 as the newest, as does dl.ivtvdriver.org .
[04:09:00] LarruManChu: yeah now you tel me ;)
[04:09:00] protonchris: http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/ivtv-0.3/
[04:09:00] JoshTriplett: GreyFoxx: I disable ACPI as well.
[04:09:00] LarruManChu: josh: I think I'm imagining things... can't find those posts
[04:10:00] protonchris: JoshTriplett: that is where I found it.
[04:10:00] LarruManChu: yeah disabling acpi is a must for nforce2 as far as I'm concerned
[04:11:00] JoshTriplett: protonchris: I just checked the changelog, and there's nothing that could affect my card.
[04:11:00] protonchris: JoshTriplett: ok.
[04:12:00] LarruManChu: ooh... just got a lockup when I tried to delete that bad recording of CSI
[04:12:00] LarruManChu: killed my backen
[04:13:00] LarruManChu: d
[04:13:00] LarruManChu: at some point I need to upgrade to 0.18
[04:14:00] JoshTriplett: Dangit, just locked up again.
[04:14:00] LarruManChu: QSettings: error creating /.qt
[04:14:00] JoshTriplett: Locked the whole machine.
[04:14:00] LarruManChu: nice
[04:15:00] JoshTriplett: I get that error message too.
[04:15:00] LarruManChu: we're like lockup buddies
[04:15:00] JoshTriplett: I was attempting to play back the currently-playing recording when it locked up.
[04:15:00] JoshTriplett: I'm suspecting ivtv, given that a hard lockup would tend to imply a driver issue.
[04:15:00] LarruManChu: well it could be an IRQ issue
[04:16:00] JoshTriplett: No shared interrupts. I checked.
[04:16:00] JoshTriplett: Everything on the system has an IRQ to itself.
[04:16:00] ** JoshTriplett hits the power button... **
[04:17:00] LarruManChu: what tuner(s) do you have?
[04:17:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Just the 350.
[04:18:00] LarruManChu: what slot is it in?
[04:18:00] JoshTriplett: You mean which physical slot, or what number?
[04:19:00] LarruManChu: physical in relation to the AGP slot
[04:19:00] JoshTriplett: There is no AGP slot.
[04:19:00] LarruManChu: if there were an AGP slot
[04:19:00] JoshTriplett: Motherboard graphics.
[04:19:00] JoshTriplett: It's the second slot from the top, if that helps. :)
[04:19:00] JoshTriplett: The wireless card is in the first slot.
[04:20:00] LarruManChu: hmm... that seems like a good one... bottom one has given me problems
[04:21:00] Cromz: aw man that blowed.. I didn't pay attention to my zap2it subscription expiring.. lol
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[04:21:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Any suggestions? :)
[04:21:00] LarruManChu: you could try a different slot (why not right?)
[04:21:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: What kinds of things have helped when you were having 350 crashing problems?
[04:22:00] LarruManChu: you name it
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[04:22:00] JoshTriplett: (Please tell me that's a "were" :) )
[04:22:00] LarruManChu: middle of the night crashes
[04:22:00] LarruManChu: it's much much better now
[04:22:00] LarruManChu: what tuner type is your 350?
[04:22:00] JoshTriplett: How do I tell?
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[04:23:00] JoshTriplett: dmesg?
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[04:23:00] LarruManChu: it says in the IVTV INIT in either dmesg or /var/log/messages
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[04:23:00] JoshTriplett: Which line am I looking for?
[04:23:00] LarruManChu: mtveeprom: tuner = LG TAPE H001F MK3 (idx = 68, type = 47)
[04:23:00] Krazylegz: Why doesn't this channel put the IRC log message in the topic, so we don't have to have that welcome message?
[04:23:00] ** xris wonders how pissed off people would be if he made nuvexport only work with mythtv .19 and up (svn) **
[04:24:00] JoshTriplett: Same here.
[04:24:00] JoshTriplett: xris: Assuming you don't take down the tarball of the last version that works with 0.18.1, probably not at all.
[04:24:00] xris: heh
[04:25:00] LarruManChu: I'll tell you this much... watch your heat... I put mine in a closed pc case in a cabinet with the doors closed and since then I get register shifts in the 350 that cause all kinds of fun
[04:25:00] xris: svn mythtv has a much better way to scan for files.
[04:25:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: Mine seems well-ventilated.
[04:25:00] JoshTriplett: LarruManChu: It isn't in a cabinet, and the case fans work fine.
[04:25:00] ** JoshTriplett will be back in a bit. **
[04:25:00] LarruManChu: that should be fine
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[04:26:00] LarruManChu: peace... I'm out
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[04:27:00] NightBird: later
[04:28:00] CyberKnet: hey xris
[04:28:00] xris: hey
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[04:30:00] CyberKnet: how goes it?
[04:31:00] CyberKnet: got a 9500S-4LP approved today =)
[04:32:00] jnc: boo, hiss, i had to sell my 7506 4lp
[04:32:00] jnc: i just hope someone buys it
[04:32:00] jnc: all my pata drives are sitting unused
[04:33:00] xris: CyberKnet: cool
[04:33:00] xris: and.. it goes well enough
[04:34:00] CyberKnet: xris: hmm.. well, I'll drink to it getting better then.
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[04:35:00] Krazylegz: If it weren't for my Mythbox, I think I'd shoot myself in the head.
[04:36:00] xris: heh
[04:37:00] xris: still looking for another minion.
[04:37:00] xris: sucks.
[04:37:00] CyberKnet: what happened to rob?
[04:37:00] kormoc: something happened to me?
[04:37:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[04:37:00] CyberKnet: oooooh
[04:37:00] xris: CyberKnet: "another"
[04:37:00] CyberKnet: you get TWO minions
[04:37:00] CyberKnet: nice!
[04:37:00] xris: yes
[04:37:00] Krazylegz: xris: We're switching from IIS/ASP/MS SQL to LAMP this weekend.
[04:38:00] Krazylegz: Er, well, I am switching us to LAMP this weekend. This will be fun.
[04:38:00] ** xris doesn't know what LAMP is. **
[04:38:00] CyberKnet: you don't?
[04:38:00] Krazylegz: Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP.
[04:38:00] CyberKnet: Linux Apache MySQL PHP
[04:38:00] CyberKnet: yeah
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[04:39:00] CyberKnet: I like LAMP well enough, but not enough to say I like it better than IIS/ASP.NET =)
[04:39:00] CyberKnet: and there's how you stick your balls on the razor's edge.
[04:39:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[04:39:00] kormoc: and there's a ivtv ticket and patch submitted to fix the issues with ivtv and kernel > 2.6.13-r6
[04:39:00] Krazylegz: h?
[04:39:00] Krazylegz: *Eh?
[04:39:00] ** kormoc wonders if this will be his first accepted patch. **
[04:39:00] kormoc: too bad it's so lame, 2 changes :P
[04:41:00] CyberKnet: Krazylegz: you don't understand my preference?
[04:41:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, I don't know what you mean about, "sticking your balls on the razor's edge."
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[04:43:00] CyberKnet: claiming to like ASP.NET/IIS better than a LAMP setup.
[04:43:00] CyberKnet: In an opensource chat room.
[04:44:00] Krazylegz: Oh, I get it. Well, use what works for you and don't expect anyone on Freenode to help you fix it. :-)
[04:45:00] CyberKnet: heh
[04:45:00] CyberKnet: of course
[04:46:00] CyberKnet: or anyone in redmond either, for that matter.
[04:49:00] CyberKnet: =)
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[05:13:00] ** xris wants LAMP... linux .... perl6 **
[05:14:00] xris: stupid slow birth of perl6
[05:14:00] Krazylegz: Slow? SLOW?!?!
[05:16:00] xris: Krazylegz: lessee.... how many years have I been waiting for it?
[05:16:00] Krazylegz: I don't know, when did you hit puberty? :-P
[05:17:00] Krazylegz: Do you want to do MythWeb in Perl6?
[05:17:00] xris: I'd rewrite mythweb now in perl if mod_perl wasn't such a PITA to deal with
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[05:19:00] xris: problem is that there's no good language that does everything I want... perl 5 has sucky object support, but php sucks for regex stuff because you have to double-escape things, and the /e mode is a huge pain.
[05:20:00] Krazylegz: Call perl from PHP to do your regex? :-)
[05:20:00] redfox: how much regex do you do in mythweb?
[05:20:00] Krazylegz: That would be hilarious.
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[05:22:00] xris: redfox: lots if I want to make it easily themable
[05:22:00] xris: but was speaking in general at that point
[05:22:00] redfox: ah themable
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[05:22:00] redfox: it isn't popular oss if it isn't themable ;-)
[05:22:00] xris: keep in mind that theme != skin
[05:22:00] redfox: yeah
[05:23:00] xris: skin's easy... stylesheet...
[05:23:00] dopester: gotta make it look like winders
[05:23:00] dopester: :)
[05:23:00] xris: theme is like mythweb has now.. wml, vxml, html, etc.
[05:23:00] dopester: i need to try mythweb on my phone
[05:24:00] xris: mythweb should end up only needing two html themes — full and compact. then the wap, wml, vxml and chtml (or whatever that japanese version of wap is).
[05:24:00] redfox: I kind of like the phpBB method, but it can be a pain to update
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[05:43:00] kristin_: ahh
[05:43:00] kristin_: hio
[05:43:00] kristin_: hi
[05:43:00] kristin_: are you here Cardoe?
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[05:50:00] xris: hmm, I think I managed to get nuvexport smart enough to work with the new filename code AND maintain backwards compatibility.
[05:56:00] rtsai: xris: what kind of PHP double-escaping are you talking about? I'm not a PHP expert, and perhaps this is new to PHP4, but at least the perl-ish stuff doesn't require double-back-slashification (even though it appears to do no harm, since mythweb currently uses lots of it): http://us2.php.net/preg_match
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[05:57:00] xris: rtsai: to match a backslash takes four backslashes.
[05:57:00] xris: once to escape the string for php (producing an internal string containing two backslashes), and ones for php to send to perlre.
[05:58:00] xris: but the /e thing is the most annoying part
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[06:00:00] xris: man, I really should find some dinner
[06:00:00] fryfrog: did anyone who has their mythbox hooked up to a tv have trouble getting the tv to display pre-X output?
[06:00:00] xris: fryfrog: depends on the video card. my pundit works perfectly
[06:00:00] fryfrog: i'm using a DVI->HDMI cable
[06:01:00] fryfrog: but i can't seem to get pre-X to display at all, i've tried a few framebuffer resolutions
[06:01:00] fryfrog: its perfectly happy running X at pretty much any resolution below 1280x720, but it hates text mode
[06:02:00] dopester: fryfrog mine works like a champ
[06:02:00] redfox: fryfrog, I'm having the exact opposite problem ;-)
[06:02:00] fryfrog: do you use svideo, vga, dvi?
[06:02:00] fryfrog: redfox: you can get the boot crap but *not* X? :)
[06:02:00] redfox: haha yeah
[06:02:00] redfox: but I haven't played with it much yet
[06:03:00] fryfrog: i was having an issue with massive over-scan
[06:03:00] redfox: but I would gladly trade you ;-)
[06:03:00] fryfrog: but i fired up nvidia-settings and found a "center" setting
[06:03:00] fryfrog: that made everything fit super-perfect
[06:03:00] redfox: good deal
[06:03:00] fryfrog: now i've got to decide how i'm gonna actually setup tv and hardware :)
[06:03:00] redfox: would you mind sharing your xorg.conf?
[06:04:00] fryfrog: how are you outputting signal to TV?
[06:04:00] redfox: svideo
[06:04:00] fryfrog: mine wouldn't do you any good then :(
[06:04:00] redfox: alright no problem
[06:04:00] fryfrog: i'm using DVI (that flatpanel connector)
[06:04:00] redfox: ah yeah good point
[06:04:00] fryfrog: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[06:04:00] fryfrog: did you check that out?
[06:04:00] redfox: I actually get pre-boot stuff also, like grub and bios screens
[06:04:00] redfox: so framebuffer settings might not help you
[06:05:00] fryfrog: do you use framebuffer?
[06:05:00] fryfrog: or just normal text boot?
[06:05:00] redfox: yeah I do
[06:05:00] fryfrog: at what reso?
[06:05:00] redfox: arg... 1024x768 I believe
[06:05:00] redfox: but it might be 800x600, I don't remember for sure
[06:05:00] fryfrog: http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/
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[06:06:00] fryfrog: those two links might help, its what got me setup on the tv best
[06:06:00] redfox: ok I'll check it out tomorrow... right now I'm going to bed
[06:06:00] redfox: thanks for the help though, sorry I can't provide much assistance
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[06:08:00] fryfrog: anyone recall the nvidia xorg option for anti-flicker?
[06:08:00] fryfrog: or know where all the nvidia x options are?
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[06:11:00] rtsai: anyone using 2.6.13? My system is working fine with 2.6.12.3, but when I upgraded to 2.6.13, my X.org stopped working (I rebuilt the nvidia kernel module for the new kernel)
[06:12:00] fryfrog: rtsai: what does it say? does "nv" work? what is in dmesg when you modprobe nvidia?
[06:12:00] fryfrog: and i'm using 2.6.13 + nvidia w/o any issues
[06:12:00] kormoc: I'm on 2.6.14 and I used 2.6.13 quite well for awhile
[06:13:00] rtsai: never bothered with "nv".
[06:13:00] kormoc: what's the x error?
[06:13:00] rtsai: it's long gone. I just rebooted back into 2.6.12.3
[06:13:00] rtsai: basically had trouble loading nvidia, ergo no X
[06:13:00] fryfrog: so....
[06:14:00] fryfrog: when you re-compiled the nvidia module, did you make sure your /usr/src/linux symlink was accurate and that you were booted INTO the new kernel maybe?
[06:14:00] fryfrog: also, "modinfo nvidia" while you are running 2.6.13 should tell you if you did it right, which i imagine is what is wrong
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[06:15:00] rtsai: "uname" reported 2.6.13, so I know I was booted in the proper kernel, and "lsmod" showed that the kernel module was loaded (so I said that wrong); X.org just wouldn't start, because it complained about nvidia
[06:16:00] kormoc: rtsai, it's possable your nvidia-glx xorg module was screwy, or any number of things, we really need the exact errors and some other info to help you
[06:16:00] fryfrog: what did "modinfo nvidia" report
[06:16:00] rtsai: anyway, it helps to know that there are people using it; I'll probably upgrade later.
[06:16:00] fryfrog: what did dmesg say after modprobe nvidia?
[06:17:00] rtsai: thanks, but all my 2.6.13 logs are long gone (this was a few weeks ago)
[06:17:00] fryfrog: damn, i *KNOW* I read something the other day with nvidia's anti-flicker Option for X :/
[06:18:00] fryfrog: oh, nm its not for DVI
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[06:18:00] kormoc: fryfrog, what's it for?
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[06:20:00] fryfrog: svideo and component
[06:20:00] kormoc: ahh
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[06:22:00] fryfrog: er, composite i think i mean
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[06:46:00] fryfrog: the "HD3000" (air2pc 3rd gen) cards are in stock at cyberestore?
[06:46:00] fryfrog: anyone use one of those cards?
[06:49:00] fryfrog: er, 5000 that is
[06:49:00] fryfrog: okay, so i ordered one :)
[06:49:00] fryfrog: i think i will take my two cable boxes to comcast and ask for a pair of single tuner, non-dvr hd boxes
[06:49:00] fryfrog: hook 2 up to PVR250s and use the other for HD recording
[06:49:00] Cardoe: kristin_: hey
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[07:05:00] fryfrog: so if i am tweaking the channels that myth uses, i don't recall.. is it enough to delete them from the datadirect channel lineup?
[07:05:00] fryfrog: or do i need to do that *and* delete them from myth too?
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[07:43:00] poonj: hey guys...anyone here familiar with dvb-utils?
[07:43:00] Agrajag-: vaguely
[07:43:00] dopester: which ones?
[07:43:00] dopester: heya agrajag!
[07:43:00] Agrajag-: gday dopester
[07:43:00] Agrajag-: :)
[07:43:00] poonj: I live in CA, and I was wondering which configuration file I use to scan the channels to create channels.conf
[07:43:00] dopester: http://www.pureesoiree.be/forum/topic.do?id=70605
[07:43:00] poonj: or atleast where I can download the settings
[07:43:00] dopester: ca being california or canada?
[07:43:00] poonj: californai
[07:43:00] poonj: california
[07:44:00] dopester: checkout the cvs version of dvb-utils and use atsc scan
[07:44:00] dopester: and the "all 8VSB Channnels USA" file
[07:44:00] xris: dopester: so still no atsc -> dd stuff?
[07:44:00] poonj: do I need the cvs version of dvb-utils to run that file?
[07:45:00] dopester: man im drinking rum.. don't confuse me with that kinda question right now :)
[07:45:00] Agrajag-: lol dopester that's hilarious
[07:45:00] poonj: where is the website for dvbutils?
[07:45:00] dopester: honeslty i still haven't gotten caught back up on what dtk has done to dvb code yet
[07:45:00] dopester: www.linuxtv.org
[07:45:00] xris: heh
[07:45:00] dopester: i presume youdon't have atscscan
[07:45:00] poonj: I have the debian dpkg version of dvb-utils
[07:46:00] poonj: not cvs
[07:46:00] dopester: that whole signalmonitor stuff seems horribly misslabeled if his post today is true
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[07:46:00] dopester: i think chutt gave us both cvs/svn access at the same time to see if he could start a war :)
[07:47:00] xris: hmm
[07:48:00] xris: that sucks
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[07:49:00] dopester: hopefully this latest hurricane won't get me sucked into work for a week of bs
[07:49:00] dopester: lovely rita meter maid.. hehe what a fitting name..
[07:49:00] xris: you're not in TX, are you?
[07:50:00] poonj: dopster
[07:50:00] poonj: I don't see the cvs for dvb-utils
[07:50:00] xris: dopester: I think they actually released 1.1.1
[07:51:00] xris: hmm, though it looks like the 1.1.1 is from nov of last year.
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[07:53:00] xris: nope, 1.1.1 is pre cvs.
[07:53:00] xris: that sucks, looks like they removed the tarball
[07:53:00] dopester: sorry its called dvb-apps
[07:54:00] xris: ah. not what I'm looking for, though.
[07:54:00] poonj: I found it
[07:54:00] poonj: I have to check it out
[07:54:00] poonj: and compile?
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[10:31:00] t0t3r: is there something like also software volume scaling in myth?
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[12:06:00] Varak: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40525
[12:06:00] Varak: heh
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[13:19:00] JoshTriplett: Anyone using MythTV's built-in transcoding? I'm trying to tweak the MPEG4 settings to a watchable level, but I keep getting major blockiness in sections of video that contain changes to large parts of the screen.
[13:20:00] laga: JoshTriplett: increase the bitrate.
[13:20:00] JoshTriplett: laga: What do you use?
[13:20:00] JoshTriplett: laga: I'm currently trying 2200.
[13:21:00] laga: i don't use transcoding at all
[13:21:00] JoshTriplett: laga: Ah. What settings do you do your initial record with?
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[13:22:00] laga: mpeg2, streamtype: dvd-special 2, 720x576, 4–6mbit/s
[13:23:00] JoshTriplett: Wow.
[13:23:00] JoshTriplett: Big disk, or do you just not keep stuff for very long?
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[13:32:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I use 4mbps, and don't transcode
[13:32:00] PatrickDK: and keep stuff permenently
[13:32:00] PatrickDK: you should probably use 8mbit if you will transcode it
[13:32:00] PatrickDK: keep as much qualityas possible
[13:33:00] PatrickDK: cause each transcode can only replicate the quality of the last
[13:34:00] laga: he's gone
[13:36:00] PatrickDK: oh well
[13:36:00] PatrickDK: I'm still asleep
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[13:38:00] laga: hehe
[13:38:00] PatrickDK: hmm, webcam channel :)
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[13:48:00] fryfrog: anyone have a guess why "modprobe lirc_i2c" would load up a ton of modules, including ivtv and bttv?
[13:48:00] PatrickDK: cause it depends on them
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[13:49:00] fryfrog: but modinfo and modprobe -v -n doesn't show that
[13:49:00] fryfrog: and i only compile bttv modules so the kernel will build the tuner modules :/
[13:49:00] PatrickDK: well, lirc_i2c won't work without an i2c device
[13:50:00] PatrickDK: and it loads bttv and ivtv to get the i2c device
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[13:57:00] fryfrog: any idea how to tell it to skip the bttv?
[13:57:00] fryfrog: i'm not sure what is pulling it in, besides the fact that it exists :/
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[14:11:00] fryfrog: is there some way to get the kernel to build the tuner module w/o making bttv a module?
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[14:19:00] laga: fryfrog: what's your problem with bttv getting loaded?
[14:19:00] fryfrog: its just... annoying?
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[14:20:00] fryfrog: it also loads a TON of other useless modules
[14:20:00] laga: how can you tell they're useless?
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: Are you ruynning a box with 8–16meg of ram ?
[14:21:00] fryfrog: because i don't have a bttv card?
[14:21:00] fryfrog: and because they are all bttv related
[14:22:00] fryfrog: blah, i know its not really THAT big a deal... but it bothers me when i can't figure out *why* they are getting pulled in
[14:23:00] fryfrog: is there some stupid way i am missing to get the kernel to build tuner and other modules w/o simply asking it to build the bttv driver?
[14:24:00] ** laga shakes his head in disbelief **
[14:24:00] fryfrog: at what?
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[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: to get the tuner module(from the kernel) you have to enable bttv support
[14:27:00] fryfrog: thats what i though
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: Now, I don't know why it's loading the bttv module when you load the tuner module.
[14:27:00] fryfrog: thought
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: But you do need to at least compile in the support
[14:29:00] fryfrog: well, i found a reference to it in an /etc file
[14:29:00] fryfrog: damn you bttv :)
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[14:30:00] fryfrog: the odd thing is, if i modprobe ivtv first (w/o lirc_i2c support) i of course don't get any of the bttv stuff
[14:30:00] fryfrog: but then when i load lirc_i2c module, it pulls in bttv even though ivtv was already there
[14:31:00] fryfrog: is there something more detailed than modprobe -v -n to figure out dependancy?
[14:32:00] laga: modinfo?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: you could always look at the lirc_i2c source or any config file :)
[14:33:00] fryfrog: doesn't show any references to the modules that get loaded, but neither does the same thing on ivtv show like msp3400 and tuner and tveeprom
[14:35:00] fryfrog: its obvious that ivtv calls tuner and tveeprom and such, but i don't see a way of... viewing those dependancies?
[14:35:00] fryfrog: asside from the fact that they are loaded of course :/
[14:35:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've ever seen one other than looking at the source
[14:35:00] GreyFoxx: but I've never looked for one either
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[14:36:00] fryfrog: guess its worth a try
[14:37:00] simon_c: Are there any docs anywhere on exactly how the sound works in myth when you're using a bttv based card ? my system was working well, untill Yast did something when I was trying to get the lirc remote to work and now the sound is about 2 secconds ahead of the video.
[14:37:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: there is a section)or 2) in the mythtv.org docs relating to configuring sound and troubleshooting it
[14:38:00] simon_c: I guess the sound card is now playing the live sound, and not recording it then playing it back.
[14:38:00] GreyFoxx: Likely
[14:38:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Yes, I've had a look at that. I *think* I've fixed it, but I'm not infront of mysystem right now. I was just wondering if there was something describing what was going on.
[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: It's likely just what you describe. the output has become umuted and you are hearing the live, not recorded sound
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[14:39:00] Philipp__: hi
[14:39:00] laga: hi Philipp__
[14:40:00] Philipp__: does anybody have a nexus-s (skystar1) in use with mythtv ?
[14:40:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Ahh. When I was playing with the mixer last night, I coudl mute it, but then didn't get anything. But, it was late. I'll try again tonight.
[14:41:00] Philipp__: mythtv-setup cannot find my card..
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[14:42:00] Philipp__: do you know what modprobes have to be done before setup?
[14:42:00] Philipp__: i tried dvb-core, dvb-ttpci, saa7146
[14:43:00] Philipp__: error in console window is: couldnt open dev/video0 to probe its inputs
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[14:44:00] simon_c: I've a remote hooked up to a myth TV system. It seems like the number keys are maped to the numeric keypad, but I've no idea how to edit stuff beyond that. the lirc.org site seems (to be) to be somewhat cryptic. Anyone any pointers ? The remote seems to be generating stuff into /dev/inupt/ir so I guess it's "just" a matter of configuring it
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[14:53:00] orb_rox: simon_c: check '.lircrc' and '.mythtv/lircrc' .. also, mode2 xmode2 irw
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[14:56:00] simon_c: orb_rox: Thanks.
[14:56:00] simon_c: orb_rox: Managed to find the docs for that just now too. I must have been too damn tired last night trying to figure this out.
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[14:57:00] hfghfh: Jippieeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I now got mythtv working!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:58:00] hfghfh: Because of some strange reason, mythtv tried to use "Television" as the default input instead of "Tuner0/1".
[14:58:00] rjune: YAY!
[14:58:00] laga: hfghfh: great :)
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[15:00:00] hfghfh: So if someone else is having problem with mythtv crashing when watching live tv, go and check the default input for your capture card. The "Televison" input is just wrong and must be som bug in mythtv
[15:01:00] orb_rox: simon_c: np. BTW, be careful as to which directory it's looking for them, depending on how you installed (or how many times) .. they may be scattered about. Nothing stopping you from renaming buttons, just keep codes/raw_codes the same
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[15:02:00] fryfrog: damn you lirc_i2c! :)
[15:02:00] simon_c: orb_rox: The raw_codes are the ones in /etc/lircd.conf ?
[15:02:00] simon_c: fryfrog: Yes, I think that's what my system is using.
[15:04:00] fryfrog: request_module("bttv");
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[15:04:00] fryfrog: bastard ass lirc!
[15:05:00] fryfrog: the damn thing is hardcoded to request bttv and a couple other modules :/
[15:05:00] fryfrog: why the hell can't i compile *just* the tuner and tveeprom modules in the kernel ?
[15:06:00] fryfrog: lets see if this works
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[15:10:00] simon_c: orb_rox: Thanks for the help. I think I've managed to find a sampel config that's close enough to my remote to use as a base. I guess I shoud publish mine on the wiki once I get it working :-)
[15:10:00] orb_rox: simon_c: yes, the codes, raw or otherwise are in lircd.conf
[15:11:00] simon_c: orb_rox: So the the line " 'POWER' 0x00000000000000FF # POWER " maps the code 0x00000000000000FF to the name POWER
[15:11:00] simon_c: orb_rox: and then the name "POWER" is uesd in lircrc to control exactly what it will do when it's pressed ?
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[15:14:00] orb_rox: simon_c: erm. yep. 'button=POWER'
[15:15:00] fryfrog: hunkey dorey! lirc 0, fryfrog 1!
[15:15:00] simon_c: orb_rox: Thanks
[15:15:00] kazan: hey fry
[15:16:00] fryfrog: hey
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[15:36:00] fryfrog: humm, how to arrage cumcast and hdtv :/
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[15:46:00] kazan: lol fry
[15:46:00] kazan: hey fry are you using a remote on your mythbox?
[15:46:00] fryfrog: well
[15:46:00] fryfrog: sorta
[15:46:00] kazan: lol
[15:46:00] Philipp__: hi, is it necessary to install xmltv whith a dvb card ?
[15:46:00] fryfrog: i just spent a while getting it working, remotly
[15:47:00] fryfrog: Philipp__: only if you need xmltv for your listings?
[15:47:00] fryfrog: or does dvb card get scheduleing info sometimes?
[15:47:00] Philipp__: fryfrog: i think it should.. at least it does with vdr
[15:47:00] kazan: fryfrog: heh.. my Kworld VStream Xpert (VS-TV878RF) has a remote.. i hear it works with lirc
[15:48:00] kazan: i was just curious as if i could train lirc to use a different remote than the one that came with the vs-tv878rf
[15:48:00] Philipp__: fryfrog: i can't get the card working .. now i'm trying to compile the drivers into the kernel
[15:49:00] Philipp__: nobody using a dvb card?
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: Mine has been on a shelf for many moons now
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[15:52:00] Atamido: I gave mine to a friend as my new apartment doesnt have a place to put a dish.
[16:01:00] fryfrog: kazan: i think you could just get it setup, then use irw to see what other remotes send
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[16:42:00] confuzed_newb: anyone here know of a good guide for getting mythtv on directfb? Or don't I want to?
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[16:46:00] rocket: can anyone point me to information on the fonts that myth uses .. the clock text is huge and I dont know how to make it smaller...
[16:46:00] dev-: rocket: i point you to..... the setup menu
[16:46:00] dev-: ;p
[16:46:00] rocket: funny :p .. I tried options in there but they didnt seem to do anything :/
[16:46:00] dev-: if you want to have any enjoyment with myth, you should learn the labrynth of setup menus well
[16:46:00] pyrodex: Recently I've noticed mythweb is pixelating my recorded program thumbnails, here is an example png https://pyrodex.darktech.org/1062_20050923023000.mpg.png anyone know why this would be happening?
[16:47:00] dev-: hrm. when i change things in there it does do stuff for me
[16:47:00] rocket: I mean most options change stuff fine .. just the font selection stuff doesnt seem to do anything
[16:47:00] rocket: like small,medium or huge or whatever to use .. and then the point sizes for each ...
[16:47:00] dev-: hrm. i dont know... i changed the fonts on mine as well since the defaults are a little too big
[16:48:00] rocket: I will have to play with it again ...
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[16:51:00] simon_c: Is there a way to put perental controls on myth recordings ? Some kind of pin number, either by recording, cattagory, or front end ? The PIN secton in the setup seems just for locking the configuration.
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: no
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: the only pin/video related stuff is in mythvideo
[16:53:00] kazan: someone problem needs to write a parent controls module
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: I don't see the need, but you are welcome to go for it :)
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[16:54:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: Humm. OK.
[16:54:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: I've got kids, so I do see the need :-)
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: I have a daughter, I don't. BUT I can imagine plenty of people might use something like that
[16:55:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: It won't be long before my 3 year old can figure out she can control the myth box, and I dont' really want to her to accedently play kill bill instead of kipper the dog.
[16:55:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:56:00] simon_c: Not much would prevent a determind, intlegent teeanager, but preventing accedental use by a young kid would be good IMO.
[16:56:00] fryfrog: motherfucking comcast are such fucking bitches
[16:56:00] dev-: if the 3yr old can figure that out, either you need to rethink your setup or your kid deserves to be able to watch kill bill of he/she wants to
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: As long as it's something that has to be enabled, and doesn't pop up all the time, I don't see a problem with it
[16:56:00] simon_c: Dev- kik
[16:56:00] simon_c: dev- lol
[16:57:00] fryfrog: i was pretty sure you could password protect certain show catagories?
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: well, if KillBill is under mythvideo, you CAN use pin/parental controls. But if it's a recording as it is right now you are sol
[16:57:00] fryfrog: i'm like 80% positive i've seen it?
[16:57:00] simon_c: well, she's been able to log onto her own windows (spit) desktop and navigate the CBBC website for a while, so I'm sure it wont' be long ;-)
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx: But in all seriousness if there is an existing way to do it with regular recordings that I just have never seen I'd love to know :)
[16:58:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: I'll lookinto mythvideo too.
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx: not that I'd use it, but for other people who ask alter
[16:59:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: What would be good inte first instance, would just be a way to restirct recordings per front-end. Even if there wans't a moduel to manage it. I find one of the most frustraiting things about myth, is the documentation is either very high level, or very low level. With not much in the middle.
[16:59:00] pyrodex: Recently I've noticed mythweb is pixelating my recorded program thumbnails, here is an example png https://pyrodex.darktech.org/1062_20050923023000.mpg.png anyone know why this would be happening?
[17:00:00] fryfrog: I am almost certain you can assign passwords to profiles
[17:00:00] fryfrog: so when you setup a show to record, put it in the "Adult" profile
[17:01:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: the only use I would ever have for a restriction would be to someone prevent accidental deletions (which you already have to hit multiple buttons to do)
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[17:02:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx What's the front end / manager code written in ?
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: It's all c++
[17:02:00] simon_c: blahhh.
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: with a smattering of inline assembly for a few mmx optimizations
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: Well, the libavcodec stuff is C
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: but the "myth" code is c++
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: including plugins.
[17:04:00] simon_c: GreyFoxx: I figured the playback stuff etc would be, but I was hoping the front end and logic stuff woudl be a higher level language I had a chance to understand.
[17:04:00] ** jvs is away: ja, es ist wahr, dieser mann hat keinen schwanz! **
[17:04:00] fryfrog: simon_c: have you poked through all the myth settings?
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[17:04:00] fryfrog: i'm quite sure i've seen some sort of restrictions
[17:04:00] simon_c: fryfrog: There's a PIN setting, but it seemed to me to be related to restircing access to the setup module.
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: simon_c: heh
[17:06:00] fryfrog: well, there are a lot of settings page :)
[17:06:00] fryfrog: its possible i'm confused or you haven't found it :)
[17:10:00] simon_c: fryfrog: ;-)
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[17:14:00] pyrodex: Recently I've noticed mythweb is pixelating my recorded program thumbnails, here is an example png https://pyrodex.darktech.org/1062_20050923023000.mpg.png anyone know why this would be happening?
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: No, noone knows why
[17:15:00] pyrodex: ok
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: Are ALL of your recordings like that now ?
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: err new recordings that is
[17:15:00] pyrodex: GreyFoxx some are some arent.
[17:15:00] pyrodex: The last 4 have been.
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: Dunno. xris might be a good one to ask when he's on later
[17:16:00] pyrodex: whats his time to be on normally?
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: He' in the pacific timezone, so it's still early there
[17:16:00] pyrodex: ahhh ok
[17:17:00] pyrodex: I just scheduled a new show on a new channel let me make sure its not doing it again.
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[17:48:00] simcop2387: mythtv needs an auto expire option that lets it rerecord things you didn't get to watch yet
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[17:54:00] kazan: levi breach in NOLA
[18:03:00] Beirdo: note to self: living on the Gulf Coast just ain't worth it
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[18:04:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, if you live on the Gulf coast you don't get free healthcare.
[18:04:00] Beirdo: sure you do.... AFTER the Hurricane destroys all you own
[18:04:00] Krazylegz: We don't get free healthcare down here.
[18:05:00] Beirdo: heh, so you think
[18:05:00] Beirdo: you ain't poor enough, I guess
[18:06:00] Krazylegz: Apparently not.
[18:06:00] Beirdo: anyways, lunch
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[18:17:00] pyrodex: Xris you got a second for a question?
[18:17:00] xris: possibly
[18:17:00] pyrodex: Recently I've noticed mythweb is pixelating my recorded program thumbnails, here is an example png https://pyrodex.darktech.org/1062_20050923023000.mpg.png anyone know why this would be happening?
[18:18:00] xris: it's not mythweb
[18:18:00] xris: but no, no idea why it happens.
[18:18:00] pyrodex: Yea, mythweb calls mythbackend to do the png
[18:19:00] pyrodex: hmmm ok ill ask on the mailing lists thanks
[18:20:00] xris: I know that there's a bug in about it... I should probably reassign it to isaac.
[18:20:00] pyrodex: oh i wonder if its related to ivtv?
[18:20:00] pyrodex: wait i had the issue with firewire too
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[18:24:00] simcop2387: i sincerly doubt it has to do with the capture card, its probably the png's get scaled up at some point from the original thumbnails that were made, and so they look blocky
[18:25:00] simcop2387: ok that isnt' it, the image loaded finally
[18:25:00] simcop2387: i've never seen that
[18:25:00] pyrodex: Yea its weird and just started happening.
[18:25:00] pyrodex: I am running CVS (minus last nights updates)
[18:26:00] pyrodex: I am tempted to go back to 18.1 but not sure if I could just revert with the DB changes that occured
[18:27:00] xris: simcop2387: the png's *are* the original thumbnails
[18:27:00] xris: pyrodex: it wouldn't be pretty to go back (and then have to go forward again)
[18:27:00] xris: but yeah, if it's the same img as I saw in the ticket, it's more of a partially-created png.
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[18:50:00] kazan: ROTFL
[18:51:00] kazan: you know how a lot of countries us .co.{country code} for .com
[18:51:00] kazan: like .co.uk
[18:51:00] Beirdo: someone just found google.co.ck
[18:51:00] kazan: i just thought of it
[18:51:00] Beirdo: it exists
[18:51:00] kazan: and then checked to see if any country had .ck
[18:51:00] Beirdo: Cook Islands
[18:52:00] kazan: aye
[18:52:00] kazan: rather amusing if you're very very bored
[18:59:00] ** xris would rather have co.ok **
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[19:43:00] Beirdo: if you don't like... what you see here... get the funk out!
[19:43:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:43:00] Beirdo: this song still rules
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[19:47:00] pyrodex: Well fedex delivered my PVR-500 today and I just installed it. I had a previous PVR-350 that is still in there. The PVR-350 is detected and I am running ivtv 0.3.8, the PVR-500 loaded the encoder firmware that the 350 uses is that ok or should I do something else?
[19:47:00] hfghfh: xris, Today i found out why, mythtv segfaulted after a second when i tried to watch livetv
[19:47:00] xris: pyrodex: search the ivtv mailing list...
[19:47:00] pyrodex: ok
[19:47:00] xris: there are some (minor?) issues with running the two cards together
[19:47:00] xris: hfghfh: ?
[19:48:00] hfghfh: mythtv has some sort of strange default input device "Television" that the mythbackend and frontend could not handle
[19:49:00] xris: weird
[19:49:00] hfghfh: as soon as i changed to tuner0/1 it worked. My only question is why mythtv did not say anything about in the logs
[19:50:00] xris: yeah. should report a bug
[19:51:00] kazan: pyrodex: remember to treat that PVR-500 like it's two independant 350s
[19:51:00] kazan: (when setting it up in myth)
[19:51:00] pyrodex: kazan, yea or two pvr-150s.
[19:51:00] kormoc: yeah, the 500's two 150's realistically
[19:51:00] pyrodex: Do I need to add extra modprobe.conf lines even if it was detected?
[19:52:00] kazan: kormoc: i thought it was two 350.. i thought the 150 didn't have hardware MPEG2
[19:52:00] pyrodex: My only concern was the Encoding firmware. the audio loaded fine but the pvr-350/pvr500 are sharing the same firmware
[19:52:00] pyrodex: the pvr-150 is hardware
[19:52:00] pyrodex: its the replacement for the pvr-250 i think
[19:52:00] kormoc: kazan, actually, the 150 is slightly better tech spec wise then a 250/350
[19:52:00] kazan: ah
[19:52:00] kazan: all i've used before is bt878s
[19:53:00] kazan: not getting my hands on a PVR-### unti l i order the rest of my stuff
[19:53:00] hfghfh: or atleast they do not produce as much heat since the chip used in the 150/500 does not contain any decoder.
[19:53:00] kazan: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/ . . . S+MYTHTV+BOX
[19:53:00] laga: never 250s don't contain a decoder, iirc
[19:54:00] kormoc: laga, all 150/250/500's don't contain decoders
[19:54:00] pyrodex: only the 350 contained the decoder
[19:54:00] kazan: decoder... mpeg2 decoder?
[19:54:00] kormoc: kazan, yes, the 350 has a hardware mpeg2 decoder onboard
[19:54:00] kazan: i thought the 500 did too
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: no
[19:54:00] laga: kormoc: older 250s contained the decoder, but it wasn't connected and thus unusable
[19:54:00] kormoc: nope
[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: the only card with a decoder was the 350
[19:55:00] kazan: laga: i'm sure you could soldier it into functioning
[19:55:00] kormoc: hrm.
[19:55:00] laga: kazan: and i'm sure it would be a PITA ;)
[19:55:00] kazan: the 500 does have the mpeg2 hardware encoder right?
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: well, true, the old freestyles have the ivtc15 chip which had a decoder, it just wasn't; connected
[19:55:00] kazan: laga: didn't say it wouldn't be :D
[19:55:00] laga: kazan: hehe
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: kazan: All of the pvr-xxx cards have encoders
[19:55:00] hfghfh: yes it do, the 250 and 350 uses the same mpeg2 chip. But on the 250 the decoding part is deactivated. still it uses up a lot power and thats where the newer chip in the 150/500 has its biggest advantage
[19:55:00] kazan: k
[19:56:00] kormoc: then it wouldn't be able to be sodered to work if it's disabled in chip
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: hfghfh: Yes and no. MOST of the 250's have the ivtc16 chip which is encoder only. BUT older versions of the 250(often called FreeStyle) had a ivtc16 just like the 350
[19:56:00] kazan: how much CPU power am i going to need for having three tuners to be able to do three mpeg2 encodes simultaneously (or two and livetv) while doing atleast one transcode in the background behind them
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: kazan: Pretty close to 0
[19:56:00] Beirdo: well, except for the transcode
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: unless you want the transcode to happy fast :)
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: happen
[19:57:00] hfghfh: ok
[19:57:00] kazan: well.. true two of my mpeg streams will come off the cards encoded.. the other one is the bt878
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: the captures will be basically nothing. The transcoding will be however much you want
[19:57:00] kazan: the bt878 is going to be connected to my digital cable box and will have most of the livetv duty
[19:57:00] Beirdo: the bt878 will take lots of CPU as you will be encoding to MPEG4
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[19:57:00] kormoc: kazan, bttv is worthless imho, you're looking at ~ 35% cpu for it.
[19:57:00] GreyFoxx: kazan: Then count on a 600mhz minimum if it's doing nothing else
[19:58:00] kormoc: (for your wishlist box)
[19:58:00] kazan: my plan was to use a Sempron 64 2500+ with an 800mhz fsb
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: that would handle a software encoding fine
[19:58:00] Beirdo: or just get the Athlon64 :)
[19:58:00] kormoc: yeah, count on 35% or so being used for the bttv
[19:58:00] kazan: (should i go to the 32bit version? i remember xris mentioning something about x86_64 and myth not getting along always)
[19:58:00] mchou: ok guys, help me understand something........Does commercial flagging scale in any significant way? I mean if I use 2GHz vs. 1Ghz cpu, will I get 2x speed-up on a commercial flagging job?
[19:59:00] kormoc: ~20% for playback with XvMC
[19:59:00] pyrodex: hmm need to find the tuner input on this sucker.
[19:59:00] kormoc: kazan, it depends on how good you are at working with linux, myth can work quite well if you know enough about what you are doing.
[20:00:00] kazan: <-- cross platform software developer (wxWidgets)
[20:01:00] kazan: well.. that's not my day job.. but it's what i consider my "real programming work"
[20:01:00] Beirdo: your day job seems to be harassing the channel :)
[20:01:00] mchou: Beirdo: good one :)
[20:01:00] kazan: bite me beirdo :D
[20:01:00] kormoc: Beirdo, wait... he gets PAID to harass the channel?! I DEMAND A RAISE! :P
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[20:02:00] kazan: so better question: all other things being equal does using a 64 processor for a mythbox give an performance advantages over a 32bit one
[20:02:00] kazan: lol kormoc
[20:02:00] kormoc: in transcoding, sure can.
[20:02:00] kormoc: in encoding of any sort that's not hardware based, sure can.
[20:02:00] kazan: k
[20:02:00] kazan: that's what i figured
[20:02:00] kormoc: can it cause a huge admount of issues, sure can.
[20:03:00] kazan: lol :D
[20:03:00] kazan: realistically is it safer to just stick with 32bit
[20:03:00] mchou: sigh.....
[20:04:00] mchou: the font of knowledge spews again
[20:04:00] kormoc: safer, sure is.
[20:04:00] kazan: k kormoc
[20:04:00] kazan: mchou: it was meant more as a question
[20:04:00] kormoc: it depends on your level of knowledge of linux and how the os works.
[20:04:00] kazan: well i'm no kernel hacker :D
[20:06:00] pyrodex: Hmm ok, well back to the drawing boards, input 2 works fine but not input 1
[20:06:00] kazan: ouch
[20:06:00] kazan: dude
[20:06:00] kazan: lemme get you a link
[20:06:00] kazan: did you get your pvr-500 from newegg?
[20:07:00] pyrodex: Yea
[20:07:00] kazan: ouch
[20:07:00] pyrodex: ?
[20:07:00] kazan: they've been shipping some with dead second tuners
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[20:07:00] kazan: lemme find the mailing list archive of the appropriate emails
[20:08:00] pyrodex: the first tuner is dead or static, the second one is fine.
[20:08:00] kazan: it was the otherway around on those.. but that doesn't mean it's not the same issue :D
[20:08:00] pyrodex: yea trie
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[20:08:00] pyrodex: err true
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[20:10:00] kazan: bah
[20:10:00] kazan: i cannot find the archive of them
[20:10:00] kazan: and i'm not going to reboot into windows... hrm
[20:10:00] simcop2387: kazan: damn that sucks
[20:10:00] kormoc: pyrodex, did you try giving the module options to force the tuner types?
[20:11:00] pyrodex: Hmmm kormoc not yet, I have a PVR-350 in there that i use with s-video capture, so I don't want to mess it up. I'll paste my modprobe.conf if you want in here
[20:11:00] pyrodex: i am going to check for stale ivtv drivers too
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[20:12:00] kazan: i think this is it
[20:12:00] kazan: //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg38497.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg38497.html
[20:13:00] kazan: no
[20:13:00] kazan: it's not
[20:13:00] pyrodex: kazan that is not the issue I am seeing, I can cat the video to a file on tuner 1 and get static, and on tuner 2 i get video/sound
[20:13:00] pyrodex: I am not getting any errors
[20:14:00] mchou: wow: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4859329
[20:14:00] kazan: there were getting weird replies from the tuner when trying to query it's current state
[20:15:00] kazan: yeah mchou
[20:15:00] kazan: i heard them this morning on the way in
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[20:20:00] pyrodex: Hmmm
[20:20:00] pyrodex: Both turners are getting set to 57 and the PVR-350 is getting set to 2
[20:20:00] mchou: sheesh, I bet gasoline and natural gas prices are going to be astronomical after rita makes landfall
[20:20:00] kazan: mchou actually futures have fallen on the market as rita weakens
[20:21:00] pyrodex: let me turn on debugging
[20:21:00] mchou: pyrodex: 57 is probably right
[20:21:00] kazan: rita is barely a 4 at the last official update
[20:21:00] kazan: the satellite loop with data overlays is using cat3 icons for the forcast points
[20:23:00] kazan: http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-vis-loop.html
[20:23:00] Beirdo: any one here in harm's way?
[20:24:00] mchou: Beirdo: lol, they'd all be on the road :)
[20:24:00] kormoc: I know three people down there right now
[20:24:00] Beirdo: mchou: you'd think
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[20:25:00] Beirdo: of course, if y'all had sensible houses for hurricane zones, there'd be no reason to leave
[20:25:00] kazan: they'd be stuck on the bloody road
[20:25:00] mchou: Beirdo: I'd evacuate on my bike
[20:25:00] mchou: faster than the damn car
[20:25:00] kazan: it took one guy 24 hours to go 75 miles... yesterday!
[20:25:00] kazan: insanity
[20:25:00] Beirdo: wood frame house and hurricane zones aren't compatible
[20:25:00] kazan: aye beirdo
[20:25:00] Beirdo: as my girlfriend keeps reminding me
[20:25:00] mchou: to go 75 miles takes me about 4 hrs at most.
[20:25:00] kazan: that's why we have much stricter building codes for new building since hurricane andrew
[20:26:00] Beirdo: hah
[20:26:00] mchou: on my bike
[20:26:00] kazan: problem is most of the buildings aren't new :D
[20:26:00] Beirdo: problem is, even the new ones aren't good enough
[20:26:00] Beirdo: it costs too much
[20:26:00] kormoc: my old house could have stood up to any storm thrown at it
[20:26:00] kazan: to resist a 5? yeah
[20:26:00] kazan: but rita is down to three
[20:26:00] mchou: oh god, Bush made a connection betw hurricane and terrorism
[20:27:00] kormoc: 6' stone walls
[20:27:00] kazan: mchou: and you're surprised?
[20:27:00] mchou: what a dumbass.
[20:27:00] Beirdo: even to resist a 3, many houses are crrrap
[20:27:00] kazan: aye
[20:27:00] kazan: everything built now days is craptastic
[20:27:00] kormoc: the house was a old farm house ~250 years old
[20:27:00] Beirdo: mchou: Bush is a dumbass, we all knew that
[20:27:00] kazan: contractors are all trying to gip ya
[20:27:00] mchou: Beirdo: well, that guy has only one talking point apparently
[20:28:00] mchou: "War on Terror"
[20:28:00] Beirdo: yeah, well, the terrorist known as Rita is gonna flatten his ranch
[20:28:00] mchou: I guess that means in his book god must be a terrorist :)
[20:28:00] Beirdo: must be
[20:28:00] Beirdo: and global warming too
[20:28:00] kormoc: odd spam
[20:29:00] kazan: mchou haven't you ever seen the flash animation that has bush doing the "Terrorist, terrorist, terroist, 9/11, 9/11, god bless america" at the end?
[20:29:00] kormoc: subject: "We know we're going to see some flooding, and we need people to evacuate if they've been told to do so," he said. "Once this storm comes through, it's going to be a long time before it leaves. If you lose power you probably won't get it back for a day or two."
[20:29:00] Beirdo: oh wait, he doesn't think global warming exists
[20:29:00] mchou: kazan: nope
[20:29:00] kormoc: body: Roberts also seemed to reject executive power to order the detention of American citizens in wartime simply because of their nationality or religion, similar to the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
[20:29:00] kormoc:
[20:29:00] kormoc: Other memorials planned Sunday included a Port Authority of New York and New Jersey service for the 84 employees it lost on September 11. Firefighters planned to roll out their trucks and other equipment in front of their firehouses.
[20:29:00] kormoc:
[20:29:00] kazan: mchou: omfg i have to find that for you
[20:29:00] kormoc: Parents and grandparents read the victims' names at ground zero last year, while children's voices were heard in 2003. A selection of politicians, relatives and others read the names on the first anniversary.
[20:29:00] kazan: it's buried on starterupsteve.com somewhere in his older flash
[20:29:00] Beirdo: kormoc: "From: gwbush@whitehouse.gov "?
[20:30:00] kazan: theword@minitrue.gov  :P
[20:30:00] kormoc: Beirdo, qfoytjiee@terra.com.ve
[20:30:00] kormoc: to lemings2@gamil.com
[20:30:00] kormoc: so how it got to me is rather... odd
[20:31:00] kazan: view the email source
[20:31:00] kazan: the transaction TO and the email envelope recipient doesn't have to be the same – the "TO: ...." you see in your email client is just a text header
[20:32:00] kormoc: gmail routed lemings2 to kormoc by it's routing rules.
[20:32:00] kazan: ?~
[20:32:00] kazan: ?!
[20:33:00] kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/23710
[20:33:00] pyrodex: hmmm weird with debuging turned on its almost like its not getting video signal detected on tuner 1
[20:34:00] pyrodex: However I can't tune the card... thats weird too
[20:35:00] mchou: pyrodex: ivtvctl -a in pastebin
[20:35:00] pyrodex: ok
[20:35:00] mchou: put dmesg ivtv out there too
[20:35:00] pyrodex: it only shows the PVR-350, you want it for all 3 devices?
[20:36:00] mchou: oh, only 500 :)
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[20:36:00] pyrodex: ok, both inputs?
[20:36:00] mchou: '/dev/video1 probably in your case
[20:36:00] pyrodex: k
[20:36:00] mchou: no, just one
[20:37:00] pyrodex: here is ivtvctl http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=372186
[20:37:00] kazan: i hate editing google appliance xslts
[20:37:00] pyrodex: doing dmesg too
[20:37:00] pyrodex: I have extra debugging on want it or turn it off?
[20:38:00] mchou: hmm, nothing wrong with ivtvctl.....
[20:38:00] kazan: yeah that done definantly isn't suffering from the bad hardware issue i saw on the mailing list
[20:38:00] pyrodex: yea I know...
[20:38:00] kazan: is your video on the other one a lil fuzzy?
[20:38:00] pyrodex: ummm let me see
[20:38:00] mchou: suggest a reboot or different ivtv rev.
[20:38:00] kazan: mchou: may jsut simple need a signal booster
[20:39:00] kazan: simply*
[20:39:00] pyrodex: I've rebooted mutiple times ;), different rev? I have 3.8
[20:39:00] mchou: pyrodex: try a different rev.
[20:39:00] pyrodex: ok
[20:39:00] kazan: i had to get a high quality signal splitter for my house just to be able to have TV and cablemodem
[20:40:00] kazan: of course i got a high quality splitter, then a high quality booster in prep for later :D
[20:40:00] kormoc: kazan, it has a internal spliter, if one turner works, the other should, as they have the same signal level.
[20:40:00] pyrodex: I have the monster-cable for the wall outlet. I have a normal splitter for the whole apartment.
[20:40:00] kazan: kormoc: that internal splitter still causes the signal to be weaker
[20:40:00] mchou: monster cable is CRAP
[20:40:00] kormoc: kazan, weaker for both, one won't be stronger then the other
[20:40:00] kazan: kormoc: one tuner may be more sensative than the other – after all this is analog
[20:40:00] kormoc: not that much
[20:41:00] pyrodex: Here is the dmesg
[20:41:00] pyrodex: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=372196
[20:41:00] kazan: *shrug* it's worth a shot
[20:41:00] kormoc: maybe a little snow, but not a full, one gets a good picture, one doesn't
[20:41:00] pyrodex: let me check the video picture
[20:41:00] kazan: true
[20:41:00] pyrodex: Video looks crisp and clear
[20:42:00] mchou: pyrodex: nothing wrong with ivtv output
[20:42:00] pyrodex: weird.
[20:42:00] pyrodex: http://pyrodex.darktech.org/test.mpg
[20:42:00] pyrodex: thats the video sample from /dev/video2
[20:43:00] SqWaw: Hey can anyone try to help me with my errors? http://sqwaw.com/error <--
[20:43:00] mchou: pyrodex: that looks incredibly good :)
[20:43:00] pyrodex: http://pyrodex.darktech.org/test1.mpg
[20:43:00] kazan: cant watch the video right now.. @ work
[20:43:00] pyrodex: thats video from /dev/video1
[20:44:00] pyrodex: mchou, so its not a signal issue i hope
[20:44:00] mchou: pyrodex: unlikely
[20:44:00] kormoc: pyrodex, no, it's not
[20:44:00] pyrodex: Hmmm could it be faulty tuner#1? when i turned on cx debugging it showed no video signal present.
[20:45:00] pyrodex: I guess I could throw the card in my windows box and see if it works there
[20:45:00] pyrodex: Would be a "true" test.
[20:45:00] mchou: pyrodex: you may have a bad card.....
[20:45:00] pyrodex: let me try a new driver too
[20:45:00] mchou: need windows to verify :)
[20:45:00] pyrodex: Yea I know... hate using windows.
[20:46:00] kazan: we need to hack a windows LiveCD for doing this kinda testing :D
[20:46:00] kazan: (that would be one righteous hack)
[20:46:00] mchou: pyrodex: you can also try svideo
[20:46:00] pyrodex: mchou is the svideo port on the card itself tuner 1 or tuner 2?
[20:46:00] mchou: if svideo works then tuner 1 is at fault
[20:47:00] mchou: for stage 1 it's on the card
[20:47:00] pyrodex: hmm ok
[20:47:00] kazan: are you using the first tuner device on both cards?
[20:47:00] kazan: (well both "cards")
[20:47:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:47:00] kazan: <-- used to counting from zero.. so the 1st one is tuner0
[20:47:00] kormoc: is there more then 2 tuners on the 500?
[20:48:00] kazan: so /dev/video1 tuner0, /dev/video tuner0
[20:48:00] kormoc: actually
[20:48:00] mchou: pyrodex: if svideo doesnt work it's more likely to be the driver
[20:48:00] kormoc: he's using /dev/video tuner, /dev/video1 tuner, and /dev/video2 tuner
[20:48:00] kazan: kormoc: dunno, but there is a warning in the mythTV docs telling you to make sure to use the first turner on the list for each half of the pvr-500
[20:48:00] pyrodex: For me its /dev/video0 -> pvr-350, /dev/video1 -> PVR-500 tuner#1, /dev/video2 -> PVR-500 tuner#2
[20:48:00] kormoc: kazan, that's not really tuners, that's input types
[20:49:00] mchou: the evacuation is ridiculous
[20:49:00] kazan: kormoc: gotcha
[20:49:00] mchou: havent they heard of trains and buses???
[20:49:00] kazan: they were using some busses
[20:49:00] mchou: dumbasses
[20:49:00] kazan: and trains? this is america! we don't use trains! mass transit is for communists!
[20:49:00] mchou: finally opened the other lanes
[20:49:00] kazan: :D
[20:50:00] ** kazan wishes we had as good of a mass transit system as germany has **
[20:50:00] ** kazan wouldn't have to drive to work then, he could sit back and relax to work **
[20:50:00] mchou: I'm evacuating on my bike when the big one hits CA
[20:50:00] kazan: lol
[20:51:00] pyrodex: I guess if i have a dead tuner I could use the svideo port and convert my pvr-350 into a coxial tuner...
[20:52:00] pyrodex: would be half ass but would work
[20:52:00] kormoc: or jsut return it and get another?
[20:52:00] pyrodex: Yea, i could
[20:52:00] pyrodex: never returned anything through newegg before
[20:52:00] mchou: kazan: I'm being serious
[20:53:00] kormoc: pyrodex, newegg is good with that
[20:53:00] kazan: pyrodex: several other people have return pvr-500s recently.. i bet they're going to start wondering wtf is going on ;D
[20:53:00] mchou: pyrodex: retuen the crap if it's broken
[20:53:00] mchou: return*
[20:53:00] pyrodex: Well I am going to hook it up in windows if this new driver doesnt work and that will be the true test
[20:54:00] mchou: kazan: CA has too many cars and in a disaster the whole state will turn into one big parking lot
[20:54:00] Beirdo: it IS one big parking lot
[20:54:00] Beirdo: who are you kidding?
[20:54:00] mchou: so the bike will be the best way to get out
[20:55:00] mchou: in TX there were no gas stations along the evac route, lol
[20:55:00] mchou: Dumbass TX
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[20:56:00] kazan: texas is the only state in the union that's entrance was subject to the ability to boot them back out
[20:56:00] kazan: i say we boot em :D :P
[20:56:00] Beirdo: starting with the president
[20:56:00] Beirdo: lousy Texan
[20:56:00] Beirdo: there are good people in Texas
[20:56:00] kazan: aye
[20:57:00] Beirdo: but GOD are there some annoying ones
[20:57:00] kazan: you know what's funny.. in 30 years texas will be a blue state if the current demographics trend continues
[20:58:00] mchou: In my neighborhood there are anti war demonstrators now.
[20:58:00] kazan: there is one good thing that comes out of texas
[20:58:00] pyrodex: ok i cleaned up stale drivers, installed .3.9 SVN and rebooting now to clean everything up
[20:58:00] kazan: lots of hot chicks :D
[20:58:00] pyrodex: only two things come out of texas... Steers and Queers ;)
[20:58:00] kazan: hehe
[20:59:00] pyrodex: Although Austin is a very happening place
[20:59:00] kazan: anyone else having problems staying connected to AIM?
[20:59:00] mchou: Austin is overrated
[20:59:00] mchou: I've been there.
[20:59:00] pyrodex: 6th street in austin is the shit
[20:59:00] mchou: it's a bit depressing over there.
[21:00:00] mchou: right next to the state capitol
[21:00:00] pyrodex: woot!
[21:00:00] pyrodex: I think its fixed
[21:00:00] pyrodex: must have been a stale driver issue
[21:01:00] pyrodex: maybe something old floating around
[21:01:00] mchou: pyrodex: yeah, maybe
[21:01:00] pyrodex: man the video looks nice
[21:01:00] pyrodex: real nice
[21:01:00] mchou: yeah....
[21:01:00] mchou: that's fantastic video
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[21:01:00] pyrodex: Almost better than my svideo shit
[21:02:00] kazan: awesome pyro!
[21:02:00] pyrodex: ok well now another minor hurdle... ptune isn't working let me figure it out
[21:04:00] pyrodex: figured it out.
[21:04:00] mchou: bah, you dont need ptune
[21:05:00] pyrodex: Oh really?
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: Blah, performance reviews are boring. Boring I say!
[21:05:00] pyrodex: oh ok
[21:05:00] pyrodex: Well let me set the cards up in mythtv now
[21:06:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: you doing then or getting them? :)
[21:06:00] mchou: if former, you gotta know how to play.
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: Getting. Just spent the last hour doing it. And the funny thing is, about a half hour before ti happened I got a call from someone wanting me to give them my resume hehe
[21:07:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: haha!
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: Obviously I didn't mention that
[21:07:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, http://threepartialwalls.com/index.php?s=review <-- funny review my friend got
[21:08:00] pyrodex: So under mythtv setup, /dev/video1 would be input tuner 0 and /dev/video2 would be input tuner 1 right in the capture card setup
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[21:08:00] mchou: pyrodex: actually they would be the "cards"
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: hahahaha nice
[21:09:00] kazan: tuner0 on both "cards"
[21:09:00] kazan: iirc
[21:09:00] kazan: lemme pull the documentation
[21:09:00] pyrodex: ok thanks
[21:10:00] mchou: goddamn I need more pci slots in my BE
[21:10:00] pyrodex: i saw it
[21:10:00] pyrodex: in the docs
[21:10:00] kazan: NOTE: If you have a Hauppauge PVR-500, you must think of it has two PVR-150's on a single PCI card. For example, if you have a single PVR-500 card, it will appear as /dev/video0 and /dev/video1. Each /dev/video device will have a Tuner 0 and Tuner 1 input, so you would choose Tuner 0 for both devices.
[21:10:00] pyrodex: What channel freq shoudl I use? default?
[21:10:00] kormoc: yup
[21:11:00] mchou: make sure you choose cable-us (if you are using cable)
[21:11:00] pyrodex: Oh ok, now you said I don't have to use ptune anymore, what do I put in the input setup?
[21:12:00] mchou: input setup?
[21:12:00] pyrodex: yea
[21:12:00] mchou: dunno what you referring to
[21:12:00] pyrodex: You said I don't have to use ptune anymore to change channels right?
[21:13:00] pyrodex: or do you still have to use ptune for channel changing?
[21:13:00] mchou: you dont need ptune
[21:13:00] pyrodex: So when I setup the input connections what do I put in the channel changing program or just leave it blank?
[21:14:00] mchou: leave it bank
[21:14:00] pyrodex: ok
[21:14:00] mchou: RTFM
[21:14:00] kazan: Channel Editor
[21:14:00] kazan: The channel editor is used to globally alter channel information, including items like hue, contrast, fine tuning and others. Users in North America shouldn't run the channel editor until after completing initial setup and running mythfilldatabase at least once to populate the database.
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[21:24:00] ulitz: I am running fedora core and wondered what is the best/easiet way to remove commercials permanetly from my recordings.. commercial cut seems to not work
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[21:27:00] kazan: well
[21:27:00] kazan: everyone was here a minute ago :D
[21:27:00] PleXuS: hi all
[21:27:00] ** kazan waves **
[21:27:00] PleXuS: anyone in here who uses Pinnacle PCTV pro card maybe? got allot probs there
[21:27:00] kazan: i haven't used that particular card.. is it a bt878 based card?
[21:28:00] PleXuS: yeah
[21:28:00] kazan: ok
[21:28:00] PleXuS: it did work
[21:28:00] Cardoe: GreyFoxx: kormoc: Just cause I know you guys aren't idle.
[21:28:00] PleXuS: until i update my kernel to 2.6.12
[21:28:00] PleXuS: and now 2.6.13
[21:28:00] kazan: so when did it stop
[21:28:00] kazan: when you upgraded to 2.6.12
[21:28:00] kazan: or 2.6.13
[21:28:00] Cardoe: I have a PVR-150 without the remote attachment port..
[21:28:00] Cardoe: Need a way to get a remote connected up.
[21:28:00] PleXuS: i thought maybe updating it should give a solution but seems the same
[21:28:00] kormoc: Cardoe, hihi.
[21:29:00] PleXuS: when i upgraded to 2.6.12
[21:29:00] PleXuS: but on my old kernel it seems to work
[21:29:00] PleXuS: pretty weard
[21:30:00] PleXuS: only problem i got is that i don't know what tuner i have
[21:30:00] PleXuS: anyone maybe know where or how to get that info?
[21:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: how's it going?
[21:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: any suggestions for remote
[21:30:00] Cardoe: kormoc: This is for my living room
[21:30:00] pyrodex: man this pvr-500 and 3 encoders is the shit, no more conflicts no
[21:30:00] pyrodex: w
[21:30:00] kazan: googling should tell you what your tuner is
[21:30:00] kazan: what distro are you using?
[21:31:00] PleXuS: gentoo
[21:31:00] Cardoe: kormoc: I have a multi-function remote out there already that I plan on programming for this.
[21:31:00] ** kazan barfs **
[21:31:00] Cardoe: kazan: knock it off.
[21:31:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: a bt878 card?
[21:31:00] kormoc: Cardoe, http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~mozgic/UIR/
[21:31:00] ulitz: does anyone use comercial-cut with fedora?
[21:31:00] kazan: Cardoe: i find solving issues on gentoo to be next to impossible, and he it's a bt878
[21:31:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: amd64, x86?
[21:31:00] kormoc: Cardoe, supproted by lirc
[21:31:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: yeah
[21:31:00] Cardoe: kazan: they're the easiest.
[21:31:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: yeah
[21:31:00] PleXuS: amd64
[21:32:00] Cardoe: kazan: Considering there's no install.
[21:32:00] SqWaw: I've got a weird problem with my PVR-500, /dev/video1 shows actual TV but /dev/video0 shows only static... Any ideas?
[21:32:00] kormoc: kazan, they are the easiest to solve on gentoo by far.
[21:32:00] Cardoe: kazan: just emerge
[21:32:00] kazan: Cardoe: i should say _remotely_ :D
[21:32:00] Cardoe: kazan: and every error I've encountered is cause someone did something stupid.
[21:32:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: ok. So what's the issue?
[21:32:00] ulitz: SqWaw: do you have 2 cards?
[21:32:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: did you compile btaudio and bt878 in your kernel?
[21:32:00] ** kazan smirks and doesn't comment on Cardoe's statement **
[21:32:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: no
[21:32:00] pyrodex: SqWaw I just installed a PVR-500 and had the same issue, I cleaned up old kernel modules and went to ivtv .3.9 svn and it fixed the issue, but I am betting it was old kernel modules
[21:33:00] SqWaw: util: its a 500
[21:33:00] SqWaw: pyrodex, old kernel modules...
[21:33:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: did you compile them as modules?
[21:33:00] pyrodex: Yea, look under /lib/modules/kernel-version and search for older modules
[21:33:00] Cardoe: kazan: what distro do you use?
[21:33:00] kazan: for desktops? fedora
[21:33:00] kazan: for servers debian
[21:34:00] Cardoe: If you want a good desktop, use Ubuntu
[21:34:00] kazan: i tried it
[21:34:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: when i test the card with kdetv the Xorg stuff resets and starts again with login manager
[21:34:00] kazan: i didn't like it
[21:34:00] Chutt: cardoe, just ignore the idiot.
[21:34:00] kazan: Kubuntu is just... wrong
[21:34:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: yes modules :-)
[21:34:00] SqWaw: where do i paste?
[21:34:00] kormoc: SqWaw, pastebin.ca
[21:34:00] Cardoe: Chutt: heh. k
[21:34:00] kazan: Chutt: yes i'm an idiot because i like fedora, yep....
[21:34:00] ** kazan rolls his eyes **
[21:35:00] Chutt: no, you're an idiot because you're an idiot
[21:35:00] Beirdo: kazan: you are just an idiot
[21:35:00] kazan: flaming over distros is stupid
[21:35:00] PleXuS: could it be dri problem maybe?
[21:35:00] Chutt: not because of what distro you like
[21:35:00] kazan: Beirdo: yeah, whatever
[21:35:00] SqWaw: pyrodex, http://pastebin.ca/23717
[21:35:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:35:00] PleXuS: arg damn didn't think on that :)
[21:35:00] SqWaw: hey... stop lowerin the guys self-esteem.
[21:36:00] Cardoe: kazan: considering you're screaming about bt878 when his problem is clearly X related...
[21:36:00] kazan: Cardoe: um.. i wasn't screaming anything about bt878
[21:36:00] pyrodex: SqWaw try the following commands
[21:36:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: but i want to use the radio function to of my card and it seems that the tuner is not ok.. i get 1 radio only on a waerd frequency
[21:36:00] pyrodex: under that directory
[21:36:00] pyrodex: find . -name "msp*"
[21:36:00] kazan: Cardoe: i had asked if it was a bt878 since i was familiar with them, and then when he said yes i went on to try and see if i could figure out the issue
[21:36:00] SqWaw: ./extra/msp3400.ko
[21:36:00] SqWaw: ./ivtv/msp3400.ko
[21:36:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[21:37:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: ok. We're trying to figure out why X is crashing.
[21:37:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: so look through your Xorg.0.log
[21:37:00] pyrodex: SqWaw what version of ivtv do you have installed?
[21:37:00] SqWaw: im fairly certain its....
[21:37:00] SqWaw: 0.3.9
[21:37:00] ulitz: if I setup cut points over commercials through the menu and transcode, shouldn't the program no longer have commercials?
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[21:38:00] pyrodex: ok, then you need to get rid of all the old stale ivtv modules laying around
[21:38:00] ehaase: is there a recommended window manager to run mythtv?
[21:38:00] SqWaw: lol....
[21:38:00] pyrodex: did you install .3.9 via source or a package?
[21:38:00] SqWaw: src
[21:38:00] SqWaw: MythTV 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 # ls ~/
[21:38:00] SqWaw: ivtv-0.3.9 ivtv-0.3.9.tgz
[21:38:00] Chutt: 0.3.9 doesn't exist.
[21:38:00] Chutt: the latest release is 0.3.8
[21:38:00] SqWaw: it must it i dl'ed it...
[21:38:00] ulitz: ehaase: the guides say kde but I don't think it matters
[21:38:00] SqWaw: if *
[21:38:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: Why don't you just stop and using the ebuild.
[21:38:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: Just stop
[21:38:00] Cardoe: use the ivtv-0.3.8 ebuild
[21:38:00] ehaase: i'm thinking i wanna use the lightest one no?
[21:39:00] Cardoe: It removes ALL ivtv stupidity.
[21:39:00] SqWaw: for gentoo?
[21:39:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: yes
[21:39:00] pyrodex: SqWaw whack all the older modules laying around under your kernel module dir and reinstall
[21:39:00] SqWaw: pyrodex, im not sure what to remove
[21:39:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you are running Gentoo right?
[21:39:00] SqWaw: pyrodex, im gonna remove something im not supposed to
[21:39:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: amd64 or x86?
[21:39:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, ya
[21:39:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: which?
[21:39:00] SqWaw: x86, i686 to be exact
[21:40:00] Cardoe: ok
[21:40:00] Cardoe: and you have ~x86 or x86?
[21:40:00] SqWaw: eh?
[21:40:00] SqWaw: where...
[21:40:00] ** kazan sighs **
[21:40:00] Cardoe: # grep -r 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS' /etc/make.conf
[21:40:00] Cardoe: Do you get an output?
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[21:40:00] pyrodex: SqWaw: goto your ivtv source directory and look under the driver dir and do this, ls -la *.ko*
[21:41:00] Cardoe: pyrodex: no no no
[21:41:00] Cardoe: stop
[21:41:00] Cardoe: no source directories
[21:41:00] SqWaw: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 x86"
[21:41:00] SqWaw: yea
[21:41:00] Cardoe: none of this crap
[21:41:00] pyrodex: ok
[21:41:00] Cardoe: There's ebuilds
[21:41:00] Cardoe: use them
[21:41:00] Cardoe: Stop playing with source code if you don't know how to handle it.
[21:41:00] pyrodex: Cardoe I just had the issue and I fixed it this way but ok
[21:41:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: gimme uname -a
[21:41:00] SqWaw: Linux MythTV 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #5 Tue Sep 20 22:49:09 EDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[21:42:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: ls /usr/src
[21:43:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: do you have...
[21:43:00] SqWaw: im running... 2.6.12-r10
[21:43:00] Cardoe: linux-2.6.13-gentoo-r2
[21:43:00] SqWaw: linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r10
[21:43:00] Cardoe: Forget what you're running
[21:43:00] Cardoe: Do you have linux-2.6.13-gentoo-r2?
[21:43:00] SqWaw: no
[21:44:00] Cardoe: let's grab a new kernel then
[21:44:00] Cardoe: Those sources are contaminated as far as I'm concerned
[21:44:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: been a couple of days since you ran emerge --sync?
[21:44:00] SqWaw: yes about 2–3
[21:45:00] Cardoe: Well go ahead and run it.
[21:45:00] Cardoe: That'll make sure you have the latest copy of the ivtv ebuild
[21:46:00] SqWaw: !!! Unexpected end of config file: variable x86"
[21:46:00] SqWaw: !!! ParseError: Unexpected EOF: //etc/make.conf: on/before line 10 in //etc/make.conf
[21:46:00] SqWaw: !!! Incorrect multiline literals can cause this. Do not use them.
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[21:47:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: Please copy and paste your /etc/make.conf file to www.pastebin.ca
[21:47:00] SqWaw: k
[21:47:00] Cardoe: and give me the link
[21:47:00] SqWaw: there ya go: http://pastebin.ca/23720
[21:48:00] kazan: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 x86"
[21:48:00] kazan: missing opening "
[21:48:00] SqWaw: wow, oops
[21:48:00] SqWaw: i should have noticed that
[21:49:00] Cardoe: there ya go
[21:49:00] Cardoe: Change that to just have "~x86"
[21:49:00] Cardoe: It will automatically include x86
[21:49:00] Cardoe: since you're on that architecture
[21:49:00] Cardoe: While we're at it
[21:49:00] SqWaw: okay
[21:49:00] Cardoe: Did you follow the good ol' gentoo-wiki for the install?
[21:49:00] SqWaw: i have: LIRC_OPTS="--with-driver=hauppauge" in there too
[21:50:00] Cardoe: I guess you did
[21:50:00] SqWaw: i followed the gentoo manual
[21:50:00] Cardoe: No no.
[21:50:00] Cardoe: You followed the wiki
[21:50:00] Cardoe: Not the manual.
[21:50:00] SqWaw: okay
[21:50:00] Cardoe: The manual stabs the wiki writers in the face
[21:50:00] Cardoe: We're going to make some changes.
[21:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:50:00] Beirdo: such fine cooperation
[21:50:00] SqWaw: ;)
[21:50:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: The wiki site isn't run by us.
[21:50:00] Beirdo: must be the Gentoo way
[21:50:00] ** kazan has an image of a manual running around with a knife :D **
[21:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:51:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: the author of the guide writes "I disagree with Cardoe" whenever I correct him
[21:51:00] Cardoe: author of the wiki
[21:51:00] Beirdo: I disagree with Cardoe
[21:51:00] SqWaw: haha
[21:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:51:00] Beirdo: that's fun
[21:51:00] Beirdo: come on, you POS server
[21:51:00] Cardoe: He says you have to install KDE
[21:51:00] Cardoe: and turn on the GTK USE flags for MythTV to work
[21:51:00] Beirdo: ?!
[21:51:00] SqWaw: sync is going through....
[21:51:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: ok
[21:51:00] kazan: ....................
[21:51:00] Beirdo: why would you need to install KDE?
[21:52:00] Cardoe: God only knows.
[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: Mythbrowser
[21:52:00] Beirdo: meh
[21:52:00] Cardoe: don't need it
[21:52:00] Beirdo: who uses that anyways?
[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: usese kde/konqueror
[21:52:00] Cardoe: hey wants kdm to log him in
[21:52:00] Cardoe: Gentoo has split out ebuilds
[21:52:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, should i rm anything atm?
[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: I've never even seen mythbrowser heh
[21:52:00] Cardoe: emerge kdm konqueror libknoq
[21:52:00] ** kazan is a KDE guy, and he won't use konq for web **
[21:53:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: we'll get to that.
[21:53:00] SqWaw: kazan, mozilla-firefox of course.
[21:53:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: is this box going to be only for MythTV?
[21:53:00] SqWaw: yes frontend+backend
[21:53:00] ** kazan would love the smell of embedded firefox in the mythtv :D **
[21:53:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: we'll do this the Cardoe way.
[21:53:00] Cardoe: patent pending
[21:54:00] kazan: (R) (TM)
[21:54:00] SqWaw: hehe okies, alaiw.
[21:54:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: lemme know when the emerge --sync is done
[21:54:00] SqWaw: >>> Updating Portage cache: 38%
[21:54:00] SqWaw: 50...
[21:55:00] SqWaw: wow, still at 50
[21:55:00] Beirdo: jeez, that takes half an hour on my asterisk box
[21:55:00] Beirdo: and the emerge world took about 2 days. fuckin glibc
[21:56:00] SqWaw: lol
[21:56:00] SqWaw: glibc takes forever.
[21:56:00] Beirdo: but asterisk didn't have any issues in the mean time, I was impressed
[21:56:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: serious?
[21:56:00] Beirdo: didn't glitch my calls at all
[21:56:00] SqWaw: it took 1hr 15m on my box
[21:57:00] Beirdo: and it was compiling the whole fuckin time
[21:57:00] Beirdo: poor bastard Celeron 566
[21:57:00] ulitz: Beirdo: is it possible to use mpeg2cut yet?
[21:57:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: grep 'sse2' /proc/cpuinfo
[21:57:00] Beirdo: just as possible as before
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[21:58:00] Beirdo: I've been preoccupied with a woman
[21:58:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, not done sync'ing
[21:58:00] kazan: women > programming
[21:58:00] ulitz: yeah
[21:58:00] ulitz: no arguments there
[21:58:00] SqWaw: women > *-football
[22:00:00] Cardoe: women + football
[22:00:00] kazan: i was about to say that
[22:00:00] Beirdo: woman > *
[22:00:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pni monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr
[22:00:00] Cardoe: ok
[22:00:00] SqWaw: also...
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[22:00:00] SqWaw: after that emerge --sync
[22:00:00] SqWaw: it said this:
[22:00:00] SqWaw: * An update to portage is available. It is _highly_ recommended
[22:00:00] SqWaw: * that you update portage now, before any other packages are updated.
[22:00:00] SqWaw: * Please do so and then update ALL of your configuration files.
[22:02:00] Cardoe: So then you should probably run
[22:02:00] Cardoe: emerge -auDv world
[22:02:00] SqWaw: woah...
[22:02:00] Beirdo: and go make some coffee
[22:02:00] SqWaw: im gonna throw a p in there to see what its gotta do
[22:02:00] Cardoe: Beirdo: basically
[22:02:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: that's what the a is for
[22:02:00] Cardoe: a = ask
[22:02:00] Cardoe: rather then stopping at the end
[22:02:00] SqWaw: o
[22:02:00] Cardoe: it asks yes or no if it should perform the action
[22:03:00] Beirdo: where's the "hell no!"?
[22:03:00] SqWaw: Total size of downloads: 225,115 kB
[22:03:00] Beirdo: haha
[22:03:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: 2–3 days huh?
[22:03:00] Beirdo: get the bong
[22:03:00] Cardoe: what does it want to update that's so big?
[22:03:00] SqWaw: 109......
[22:03:00] kazan: see you monday sqwaw! :D
[22:03:00] Cardoe: 109 packages!?
[22:03:00] SqWaw: LOL
[22:04:00] SqWaw: yea.
[22:04:00] Beirdo: sounds about right
[22:04:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:04:00] Cardoe: You BSed me
[22:04:00] SqWaw: eh...
[22:04:00] Cardoe: It's been more then 2–3 days since ya ran that
[22:04:00] Cardoe: ;)
[22:04:00] Beirdo: 2–3 months maybe
[22:04:00] SqWaw: no i just installed this system on wednesday
[22:04:00] kormoc: Cardoe, nah, he syncs trees, but doesn't update world :P
[22:04:00] SqWaw: today is friday...
[22:04:00] kormoc: SqWaw, packages cd + stage 3?
[22:04:00] ulitz: Beirdo: does mpeg2cut reload the shows into mythtv after cutting commercials.. like does it change the filename?
[22:04:00] SqWaw: kormoc, no
[22:04:00] SqWaw: stage1
[22:05:00] Cardoe: gag self with fork
[22:05:00] Beirdo: it's used from nuvexport
[22:05:00] kazan: the company buying pastries is soo good,, and yet so bad
[22:05:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: yeah... you need to run that command
[22:05:00] Beirdo: and no, there's nothing that will automatically load it into myth after
[22:05:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you need to get everything up to date.
[22:05:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, yea, i did...
[22:05:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: It's gonna take a while.
[22:05:00] SqWaw: yessir.
[22:05:00] Beirdo: all 109 packages
[22:05:00] Beirdo: have a good weekend
[22:05:00] ulitz: Beirdo: speaking of that.. I was wondering if you knew the table that stores the location and filenames of recorded programs under mythtv
[22:06:00] kormoc: SqWaw, there's only been ~60 some packages updates in the past two days, how can you have 109 that need updated?
[22:06:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: I'm always around. Just find me. We'll finish this install.
[22:06:00] Cardoe: kormoc: he did an install on Wednesday from stage1 and never finished.
[22:06:00] Beirdo: not off hand
[22:06:00] SqWaw: its on 38 or 109
[22:06:00] SqWaw: of*
[22:06:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ahh, I see
[22:07:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, like *always* around
[22:07:00] SqWaw: or mostly always
[22:08:00] Cardoe: I'm here a lot.
[22:08:00] SqWaw: okaies.
[22:09:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, http://sqwaw.com/emerge.world
[22:10:00] SqWaw: lots of big ones?
[22:12:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: kinda yeah
[22:12:00] Cardoe: wait
[22:12:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: what does this box do?
[22:12:00] SqWaw: eh?
[22:13:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: what's the goal of this sytem?
[22:13:00] kazan: is it a dedicated mythbox
[22:13:00] Cardoe: ok
[22:13:00] Cardoe: stop that emerge
[22:13:00] SqWaw: erm. i'll paste that on pastebin
[22:13:00] Cardoe: Ctrl-C
[22:13:00] Cardoe: I see it
[22:13:00] kazan: Cardoe: i was asking a question
[22:13:00] Cardoe: oh
[22:13:00] Cardoe: heh
[22:13:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/23726
[22:13:00] kazan: Cardoe: not answering :P
[22:13:00] SqWaw: Goals: http://pastebin.ca/23726
[22:14:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: ok
[22:14:00] kazan: is this a work project?
[22:14:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: so the only visual access to it will be via TV?
[22:14:00] SqWaw: kaze: work project?
[22:14:00] SqWaw: and ssh
[22:14:00] kazan: ie you're building this for work
[22:14:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, and i can throw it upstairs and hook it up to a monitor
[22:15:00] SqWaw: kazan, no
[22:15:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, its hooked up to my kvm right now
[22:15:00] SqWaw: not my tv, b/c i have no idea what xorg.conf should look like for my TV
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[22:16:00] PleXuS: hiya all
[22:16:00] Cardoe: ok
[22:16:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: back?
[22:16:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: can't see anything abnormal at the xorg.log
[22:17:00] PleXuS: Cardoe: xorg can't be the problem to becoz when i start with older kernel i don't got that problem!!
[22:17:00] kazan: yeah.. so the joke earlier about me getting paid to harass the channel
[22:17:00] kazan: today.. yeah basically
[22:18:00] PleXuS: it has something todo with the bttv module
[22:18:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: DVD burner in there?
[22:18:00] kazan: all i've had to do today is edit two stinking google appliance xslt files
[22:18:00] ** kazan is bored off his arse **
[22:18:00] PleXuS: with the old kernel i just get only a green screen with above some noise but it don't crashes xorg
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[22:19:00] Equilibre: Folks.
[22:19:00] kazan: what exactly crashes xorg
[22:19:00] kazan: i missed it earlier
[22:19:00] Equilibre: Does anyone have a working LVE binary for FC3 or know where I can get one? nuvexport is hosing and that's the last missing dependency I can't track down
[22:19:00] PleXuS: i don't know for sure
[22:20:00] Equilibre: and I'm loathe to compile the entire source tree for that one binary
[22:20:00] PleXuS: the screen gets black
[22:20:00] kazan: Equilibre: are you using the fedora faq fc3 repositories?
[22:20:00] PleXuS: and then i am bag at KDM
[22:20:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, Just a dvd-rom
[22:20:00] kazan: Equilibre: atrpms has mythtv builds for FC4.. probably does for FC3
[22:20:00] Equilibre: kazan, I am. Is it in there somewhere and I'm just not apt-get'ing the correct name?
[22:20:00] PleXuS: looks like xorg restart
[22:20:00] Beirdo: you don't need lve unless you are going to use mpeg2cut
[22:20:00] PleXuS: maybe xorg needs update with newer kernel?
[22:20:00] ** kazan yum search LVEs **
[22:21:00] kazan: arch so many matches
[22:21:00] Equilibre: I found FC2 and FC4 binaries, but no FC3
[22:21:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/23730 use something like that
[22:22:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, just changed the use flags
[22:22:00] SqWaw: ?
[22:23:00] kazan: why don't you upgrade to fc4?
[22:23:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: and corrected the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS
[22:23:00] SqWaw: i already fixed that :)
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[22:23:00] PleXuS: no one in here got a Pinnacle PCTV Pro? so he can give me the right tuner ?? becoz i read allot different tuners setups really weard
[22:23:00] Equilibre: kazan, What are my chances of having a working system post upgrade, and how many man hours to recover once I do?
[22:23:00] SqWaw: but u put pentium4 in clfags, should i change it?
[22:24:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: oh yeah. Your Celeron is a P4 based Celeron
[22:24:00] Cardoe: yeah
[22:24:00] kazan: Equilibre: i upgraded from straight from 1 to 4 cleanly
[22:24:00] kazan: Equilibre: using DVD
[22:24:00] Equilibre: Ah, OK. Worth a try then, I appreciate it.
[22:24:00] Equilibre: That's NAP I have a DVD burner
[22:24:00] SqWaw: Si I'm making i686 --> pentium4
[22:24:00] Equilibre: I'm just nervous since the last Upgrade I tried was RH5-RH6 and it screwed the pooch :)
[22:24:00] SqWaw: so*
[22:24:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: yes
[22:25:00] kazan: that was a long long time ago bro
[22:25:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you have LIRC_OPTS in there too?
[22:25:00] kazan: rh5.. that was before rpms wasn't it :D :P
[22:25:00] Equilibre: thanks though kazan I'll do that. I'm getting desperate to nuvexport some of my shows to get them off the disk.
[22:25:00] kazan: you have a different partition for system and your video right?
[22:25:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, yea
[22:25:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: gonna have a printer connected to it?
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[22:26:00] kazan: (just for extra safety)
[22:26:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, i have 3 network printers
[22:26:00] Equilibre: kazan, Yup
[22:26:00] SqWaw: on windows computers.
[22:26:00] kazan: good man :D
[22:26:00] kormoc: Equilibre, I think xris had some upgrade issues with fc 3 to 4
[22:26:00] kazan: lemme google
[22:26:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: so will this box be doing any printing?
[22:27:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: any reason you have Gnome on there too?
[22:27:00] SqWaw: afaik... no
[22:27:00] SqWaw: Gnome.. i have gdm
[22:27:00] SqWaw: i dunno
[22:27:00] SqWaw: i didnt specifically install gnome, i guess it showed up somehow
[22:27:00] Cardoe: why gdm?
[22:27:00] kazan: are you running a server on that box Equilibre or is it dedicated myth?
[22:27:00] SqWaw: why not..?
[22:28:00] SqWaw: xdm is ugly
[22:28:00] Equilibre: kazan, Thanks, and I appreciate the advice, I've been stuck on this for a few weeks. Dedicated Muyth.
[22:28:00] Equilibre: Myth rather
[22:28:00] PleXuS: kdetv: io-v4l.c:512: v4l_new: Assertion `services && *services != 0' failed.
[22:28:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: what's the purpose of gdm?
[22:28:00] PleXuS: kdetv: io-v4l.c:512: v4l_new: Assertion `services && *services != 0' failed.
[22:28:00] SqWaw: so i can login to fluxbox... i guess
[22:28:00] Cardoe: PleXuS: never used kdetv... sorry...
[22:28:00] Equilibre: Gdm is an X login manager like xdm but for Gnome
[22:28:00] PleXuS: arg damn
[22:28:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you can do that with a "startx" command
[22:28:00] kazan: ok dedicated myth go ahead... apparently some server boxes had issues fc3->fc4
[22:28:00] Cardoe: Equilibre: We know
[22:29:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: I thought this was dedicate to mythtv?
[22:29:00] Equilibre: Cardoe, Oop, pardon :)
[22:29:00] SqWaw: it is
[22:29:00] PleXuS: something wrong with the v4l
[22:29:00] Equilibre: kazan, Many thanks, Much appreciated.
[22:29:00] kazan: yep
[22:29:00] kazan: luck
[22:29:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: when you boot it, you want it to go straight to MythTV on the TV right?
[22:29:00] kazan: afk
[22:29:00] SqWaw: gdm starts and auto-logs me into fluxbox as user "myth"
[22:29:00] Cardoe: yeah that's overkill
[22:29:00] SqWaw: o...
[22:29:00] ** SqWaw slaps me. **
[22:30:00] Cardoe: if you're not gonna do any printing with that box
[22:30:00] Cardoe: add -cups to USE flags
[22:30:00] SqWaw: should i ctrl +c ?
[22:30:00] Cardoe: the emerge?
[22:30:00] Cardoe: I would
[22:30:00] Equilibre: Have a good evening everyone
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[22:30:00] SqWaw: okay done...
[22:30:00] SqWaw: anything else lol
[22:31:00] SqWaw: since gdm is overkill what should i do?
[22:31:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you installed firefox on there?
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[22:31:00] SqWaw: erm yea, so i could read docs w/o switching between comps via my KVM
[22:32:00] SqWaw: copy+paste cmds etc,.
[22:32:00] Cardoe: ok
[22:32:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: well now you can ssh into it
[22:32:00] Cardoe: right?
[22:32:00] SqWaw: yea im ssh'd in right now
[22:32:00] SqWaw: thats how i've been doing most of my stuff
[22:32:00] Cardoe: so no need to have firefox on there anymore?
[22:32:00] SqWaw: maybe...
[22:32:00] SqWaw: stuff that involves X
[22:32:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: I'm trying to cull down the packages you need to upgrade
[22:33:00] SqWaw: ssh isnt graphical...
[22:33:00] SqWaw: visual *
[22:33:00] Cardoe: yep
[22:33:00] Cardoe: toss in -xmms into USE as well
[22:33:00] SqWaw: Question: Can I pipe X through SSH
[22:34:00] SqWaw: so its visual...? or thats like impossible
[22:35:00] kazan: back
[22:35:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: you can
[22:35:00] Cardoe: ssh -X ip.addr.here.blah
[22:35:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: add -arts to USE
[22:35:00] SqWaw: k
[22:36:00] twisted_one: or you can start a remote desktop session type of thing using X -query <IPADDRESS> <XDISPLAY>
[22:36:00] twisted_one: but thats most likely overkill
[22:36:00] SqWaw: can putty connect to it like that?
[22:37:00] SqWaw: (either way)
[22:37:00] Cardoe: you'll need a Windows X server
[22:37:00] SqWaw: oh
[22:37:00] SqWaw: nm that
[22:37:00] Cardoe: what graphical stuff do you want to display?
[22:37:00] SqWaw: just so i can easier mess around w/ it
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[22:37:00] SqWaw: its not important, i was just thinking...
[22:38:00] Cardoe: here
[22:38:00] SqWaw: anyway. back to my use flags... ?
[22:38:00] Cardoe: emerge unmerge fam kdelibs xmms-arts xmms-oss xmms-alsa xmms konsole libIDL orbit libbonobo gnome-vfs libbonoboui gnome-keyring gdm gtk-engines gtk+ mozilla-launcher mozilla-firefox fluxbox arts cups libxml2 pango atk
[22:38:00] Cardoe: run that
[22:38:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:38:00] SqWaw: woah...
[22:38:00] Cardoe: everything clean...
[22:38:00] Beirdo: that should clear up a few megs of space
[22:38:00] Cardoe: must make new...
[22:38:00] SqWaw: rgr.
[22:38:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: When we're done with you... you'll have like 40 packages to update.
[22:39:00] SqWaw: okays, they are all going bye-bye.
[22:39:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, ROFL
[22:39:00] ** Beirdo gives cfengine the finger **
[22:39:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: so did you add those 3 extra flags to USE?
[22:39:00] Beirdo: fuck you, you belligerant POS
[22:39:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:39:00] SqWaw: 63% better :)
[22:39:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, yea
[22:39:00] kormoc: cfengine?
[22:39:00] Beirdo: yeah
[22:40:00] Beirdo: ONE server's getting all hung up
[22:40:00] Beirdo: out of about 100
[22:40:00] Beirdo: I don't get it
[22:40:00] SqWaw: how long do you think this unmerge will take?
[22:40:00] SqWaw: an hr or so?
[22:40:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: depends how fast your HD is
[22:40:00] SqWaw: its...
[22:41:00] Beirdo: Monty Python's Flying Circus
[22:41:00] SqWaw: 300GB capacity, 7200RPM
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[22:41:00] SqWaw: 8MB data buffer
[22:42:00] SqWaw: jfs fs
[22:42:00] SqWaw: oO its done
[22:42:00] SqWaw: okay, whats next?
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[22:43:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, emerge -uDv world <-- gives me 88 packages to emerge.
[22:43:00] Cardoe: lemme see em
[22:43:00] Cardoe: pastebin it
[22:43:00] SqWaw: k
[22:45:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, http://pastebin.ca/23732
[22:46:00] kazan: you know what is bad... since everyone evacuated this time, and now the storm is weakening and is probably not going to do nearly as much damage as expected a lot of people are going to get complacent
[22:46:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: is MythTV already working?
[22:46:00] Beirdo: good for them
[22:47:00] Beirdo: anyone who lives by the Gulf Coast should know better by now
[22:47:00] kazan: aye
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[22:48:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, it was, yea.
[22:48:00] SqWaw: slightly
[22:48:00] kormoc: but Beirdo, it just won't happen to me.
[22:48:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:48:00] Beirdo: yeah, not likely
[22:48:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: /var/lib/portage/world
[22:48:00] Beirdo: you'll get earthquakes instead
[22:48:00] SqWaw: eh?
[22:48:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: paste the contents of that file up for me
[22:48:00] kormoc: hehe
[22:48:00] SqWaw: cat /var/lib/portage/world ?
[22:49:00] Cardoe: yep
[22:49:00] SqWaw: card: http://pastebin.ca/23733
[22:49:00] Cardoe: this box is gonna be a lean mean recording machine
[22:49:00] SqWaw: haha
[22:49:00] ** Beirdo pours in the rum **
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[22:49:00] Cardoe: ready for more unmerging?
[22:50:00] SqWaw: Yes ma'am!
[22:50:00] JeffH: Anyone using wireless in thier myth box? what brand?
[22:50:00] SqWaw: erm sir*
[22:50:00] JeffH: wireless network that is.
[22:50:00] SqWaw: wireless </3
[22:50:00] Cardoe: emerge unmerge x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod x11-misc/mkxf86config media-plugins/mythbrowser
[22:50:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: we'll add the browser back in later.
[22:51:00] SqWaw: no actually its kinda buggy, i dont like it
[22:51:00] JeffH: SqWaw: what brand?
[22:51:00] SqWaw: we dont need to put it back
[22:51:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: ok. Well. I've been meaning to fix it... but can't find anyone that uses it
[22:51:00] SqWaw: JeffH, i said wireless breaks my heart.
[22:51:00] SqWaw: lol
[22:51:00] SqWaw: okay
[22:51:00] JeffH: why?
[22:51:00] SqWaw: packet loss, hijacking + cracking of connection, etc//
[22:51:00] SqWaw: etc*
[22:52:00] JeffH: cracking/hijacking is only due to bad setup on the user part..
[22:52:00] SqWaw: no, i feel that you can make it as secure as you need to, someone will always be able to crackin it
[22:52:00] SqWaw: crack*
[22:52:00] JeffH: you're wrong.
[22:52:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: done yet?
[22:53:00] SqWaw: doesn't matter, its a moot point. my whole house is wired.
[22:53:00] kormoc: JeffH, what do you sudgest?
[22:53:00] SqWaw: yes it is.
[22:53:00] JeffH: Wish my house was wired..
[22:53:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, why'd i have to get rid of my secsi styles :( ?
[22:53:00] Cardoe: secsi?
[22:53:00] SqWaw: sexy.
[22:53:00] kormoc: JeffH, what wifi protocal is secure enough to not be hackable?
[22:54:00] Cardoe: oh
[22:54:00] SqWaw: no matter.
[22:54:00] SqWaw: lets move on
[22:54:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: emerge -auDv world
[22:54:00] Cardoe: actually hang on
[22:54:00] SqWaw: lol
[22:54:00] SqWaw: emerge -auDvp world > ~/emerge
[22:54:00] SqWaw: then paste contents ?
[22:54:00] ulitz: Beirdo: trying out mpeg2cut.. when I specify an output file.. it seems like it has the parameters backwards from what the comments say.. and then if I don't include an output file.. where would it save?
[22:54:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: emerge unmerge imlib2 as well
[22:55:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: yeah. paste em
[22:55:00] kazan: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1575411,00.html
[22:55:00] Beirdo: use it via nuvexport
[22:55:00] JeffH: don't forget to unmerge the emerged merge. haha
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[22:56:00] SqWaw: odd.
[22:56:00] Cardoe: ?
[22:56:00] SqWaw: card: http://pastebin.ca/23734
[22:56:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, odd @ jeff, not you.
[22:57:00] SqWaw: Card:down to 823 packages
[22:57:00] Cardoe: how about this one
[22:57:00] SqWaw: 82 packages **
[22:57:00] Cardoe: you don't need p in there
[22:57:00] Cardoe: actually for a > ~/emerge you do
[22:58:00] Cardoe: emerge -puDv --newuse world > ~/emerge
[22:58:00] Cardoe: wait
[22:58:00] Cardoe: don't paste it
[22:58:00] SqWaw: waiting.
[22:58:00] Cardoe: tell me if run like that...
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[22:58:00] Cardoe: it has atk, pango, gtk+
[22:58:00] Cardoe: you'll see the 3 of them in a row... and they'll have Ns instead of Us
[22:58:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] dev-libs/atk-1.10.3 -debug -doc -static 0 kB
[22:58:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] x11-libs/pango-1.8.2 -debug -doc -static 0 kB
[22:58:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.6.10 -doc +jpeg -static +tiff 0 kB
[22:59:00] bjohnson (n=bjohnson@jecinc.tor.istop.com) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[22:59:00] Cardoe: with emerge -auDv --newuse world ?
[22:59:00] SqWaw: yessir.
[22:59:00] Cardoe: how about if you add -gnome to USE?
[22:59:00] Cardoe: and then re-run that command?
[23:00:00] SqWaw: still there....
[23:00:00] Cardoe: equery depends x11-libs/gtk+
[23:00:00] Cardoe: run that
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[23:01:00] Cardoe: #
[23:01:00] Cardoe: #
[23:01:00] Cardoe: Total size of downloads: 18,124 kB <- a little bit more managable then the 255,000kb from before?
[23:01:00] SqWaw: rofl yea
[23:01:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/23735
[23:02:00] Cardoe: more unmerging
[23:02:00] SqWaw: lol
[23:02:00] SqWaw: okay
[23:03:00] Cardoe: emerge unmerge app-text/ghostscript gnome-base/gconf gnome-base/libglade gnome-base/libgnomecanvas gnome-base/libgnomeui gnome-base/librsvg x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme x11-themes/gnome-themes
[23:03:00] ulitz: Beirdo: I would want to use mpeg2->mpeg2 cut only right.. using pvr250 and don't really care about the format
[23:03:00] Beirdo: yes
[23:04:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, done
[23:04:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: emerge -auDv --newuse world
[23:04:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: still show atk,pango,gtk+?
[23:04:00] SqWaw: yes it does, Total size of downloads: 0 kB
[23:04:00] simcop2387 (n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[23:04:00] SqWaw: i -f'd a while ago....
[23:05:00] SqWaw: maybe 10–15 minutes b/c i thought we were done
[23:05:00] Cardoe: ls /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/
[23:05:00] SqWaw: gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 libgnome-2.10.1-r1
[23:05:00] SqWaw: emerge unmerge gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 libgnome-2.10.1-r1
[23:06:00] Beirdo: goddammed cleaning lady just woke me up
[23:06:00] hadees (n=hadees@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/hadees) Quit (Connection timed out)
[23:06:00] Beirdo: can't I sleep at my desk at work in peace?
[23:06:00] SqWaw: Beirdo, wern't you like.. here...
[23:06:00] Beirdo: like kinda here
[23:06:00] laga: SqWaw: that happens when geeks run out of coffee
[23:06:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: yeah. unmerge them
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[23:07:00] Cardoe: $ ls /var/db/pkg/gnome-extra/
[23:07:00] SqWaw: libgsf-1.12.1
[23:07:00] Cardoe: get rid of it
[23:08:00] SqWaw: gone
[23:08:00] Cardoe: let's try it one more time
[23:08:00] pyrodex: god i love this harmony 889
[23:08:00] Cardoe: emerge -auDv --newuse world
[23:08:00] pyrodex: err 880
[23:08:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, hehe, guess what?
[23:09:00] Cardoe: hmm?
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[23:09:00] SqWaw: still there.
[23:10:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] dev-libs/atk-1.10.3 -debug -doc -static 0 kB
[23:10:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] x11-libs/pango-1.8.2 -debug -doc -static 0 kB
[23:10:00] SqWaw: [ebuild N ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.6.10 -doc +jpeg -static +tiff 0 kB
[23:10:00] Cardoe: FFS what did you install...
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[23:11:00] Cardoe: python -c'import portage;print portage.db["/"]["varttree"].dbapi.cp_all()'
[23:11:00] Cardoe: pastebin that
[23:11:00] pyrodex: Anyone know a good place for some decent channel logos?
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[23:12:00] kazan: so everything is working pyro?
[23:13:00] kormoc: Cardoe, that's vartree not varttree right?
[23:14:00] Cardoe: kormoc: you're right
[23:15:00] SqWaw: Woah....
[23:15:00] SqWaw: Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:15:00] SqWaw: File "<string>", line 1, in ?
[23:15:00] SqWaw: KeyError: 'varttree'
[23:15:00] SqWaw: o
[23:15:00] SqWaw: remove 1 t
[23:16:00] SqWaw: oh my
[23:16:00] SqWaw: have fun reading this...
[23:16:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/23737
[23:18:00] kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/23739 <-- easier to read version of the list
[23:18:00] SqWaw: gj lol
[23:19:00] Cardoe: emerge unmerge kde-base/kde-env media-libs/libart_lgpl media-plugins/xmms-mad media-plugins/xmms-mpg123 media-plugins/xmms-vorbis
[23:20:00] SqWaw: done
[23:20:00] SqWaw: btw, atk pango and etc., are still there
[23:20:00] laga: what are you guys doing? sorry, too lazy to read the log ;)
[23:21:00] SqWaw: cleaning up :)
[23:21:00] laga: oh, ok :)
[23:21:00] laga: wanna do my room, too? ;)
[23:21:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: what's all this libkuzdu and hwsetup stuff?
[23:21:00] ** Torq lets off a slow rumbling fart **
[23:21:00] ** SqWaw ducks. **
[23:21:00] SqWaw: dunno.
[23:21:00] SqWaw: lets remove it
[23:21:00] Torq: Is mythtv still 0.18.1? its a bit slow lately.
[23:22:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: where'd you get it from?
[23:22:00] Cardoe: SqWaw: I'm just curious
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[23:22:00] SqWaw: I have no idea, i didnt specifically emerge it
[23:23:00] SqWaw: so it must've been a dep for some other package.
[23:23:00] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow. **
[23:23:00] Cardoe: kormoc: any clues?
[23:23:00] Cardoe: I don't see it in the tree
[23:24:00] Cardoe: oh wait I do
[23:24:00] Cardoe: doh
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[23:25:00] kormoc: it's a knoppix thing iirc
[23:25:00] Cardoe: emerge unmerge sys-apps/ddcxinfo-knoppix sys-apps/hwdata-knoppix sys-apps/hwsetup sys-libs/libkudzu perl-tk
[23:25:00] SqWaw: dne
[23:25:00] SqWaw: done
[23:26:00] SqWaw: WOW, persistent little bugger, its still there.
[23:26:00] SqWaw: those 3 packages...
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[23:27:00] SqWaw: brb 2 1/2 seconds
[23:27:00] SqWaw: need more tea.
[23:28:00] Cardoe: equery depends x11-libs/gtk+
[23:28:00] Cardoe: what is pulling that in
[23:30:00] SqWaw: h/o...
[23:31:00] SqWaw: media-sound/lame-3.96.1
[23:31:00] SqWaw: sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6
[23:31:00] Cardoe: and you're running
[23:31:00] Cardoe: emerge -auDv --newuse world
[23:32:00] Chutt: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/de . . . TENTID=10777
[23:32:00] ** Chutt buys **
[23:32:00] SqWaw: yes
[23:32:00] SqWaw: lol i am...
[23:32:00] SqWaw: emerge unmerge media-sound/lame-3.96.1 sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6 ?
[23:33:00] SqWaw: i need gcc tho...
[23:33:00] laga: you need lame for mythtv
[23:33:00] Cardoe: don't unmerge either
[23:33:00] SqWaw: okay
[23:33:00] SqWaw: so then gtk+ needs to stay i guess
[23:33:00] SqWaw: nothing depends on atk and pango
[23:33:00] SqWaw: i checked
[23:34:00] kormoc: SqWaw, echo 'media-sound/lame -gtk' >> /etc/portage/package.use
[23:34:00] Cardoe: he should have -gtk
[23:34:00] kormoc: hrm
[23:34:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, approve of that ^ ?
[23:34:00] kormoc: SqWaw, emerge -pv gcc lame
[23:34:00] kormoc: pastebin the result
[23:34:00] Cardoe: yeah
[23:35:00] SqWaw: [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4-r1 (-altivec) -bootstrap -boundschecking -build +fortran -gcj -gtk -hardened -ip28 (-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64) +nls -nocxx -nopie -nossp -objc -static -vanilla 0 kB
[23:35:00] SqWaw: [ebuild U ] media-sound/lame-3.96.1-r1 [3.96.1] -debug -gtk* 0 kB
[23:35:00] SqWaw: no pastebin need.
[23:35:00] SqWaw: needed..
[23:35:00] kormoc: sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6, old version
[23:36:00] SqWaw: so...?
[23:36:00] kormoc: gcc --version
[23:36:00] kormoc: what version does it say?
[23:37:00] SqWaw: gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6–1.0, pie-8.7.8)
[23:37:00] SqWaw: Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[23:37:00] SqWaw: This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
[23:37:00] SqWaw: warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[23:37:00] PatrickDK: what?
[23:37:00] PatrickDK: I won't lose weight by using this software?
[23:37:00] SqWaw: lol.
[23:37:00] PatrickDK: but only gain stress?
[23:37:00] Cardoe: kormoc: emerge lame gcc?
[23:37:00] kormoc: Cardoe, yeah, I'd say so
[23:37:00] SqWaw: PatrickDK, it gives you pie too
[23:37:00] SqWaw: PatrickDK, pie-8.7.8
[23:38:00] SqWaw: Cardoe, kormoc, okay emerging.
[23:38:00] kormoc: SqWaw, then we'll change your gcc profile and then remove the old version of gcc, removing that dep
[23:39:00] SqWaw: okayies
[23:39:00] SqWaw: gcc takes a while to compile tho :(
[23:39:00] PatrickDK: heh, try building a cross compiled gcc
[23:39:00] PatrickDK: or, building gcc, to build itself
[23:39:00] SqWaw: i have only 1 computer.
[23:40:00] PatrickDK: crosscompiler isn't really for more computers, but for like, linksys stuff
[23:40:00] SqWaw: o
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[23:40:00] kormoc: PatrickDK, when you bootstrap gentoo, you're building a compile to build the compiler that you use to build the system :)
[23:40:00] SqWaw: i figured it was like having a cluster or something
[23:40:00] SqWaw: anyways 3.3.6 only took 22 minutes
[23:41:00] SqWaw: its doing it right now, its done w/ lame.
[23:41:00] SqWaw: see ya
[23:41:00] SqWaw: see ya'll in ~20 minutes **
[23:47:00] SqWaw: ~15 minutes left...
[23:50:00] PatrickDK: ~25 min left
[23:51:00] SqWaw: what are you emerging ?
[23:51:00] PatrickDK: nothing, I always compile from source
[23:51:00] SqWaw: oh
[23:51:00] PatrickDK: but no progress meter is really telling you the truth :)
[23:51:00] laga: PatrickDK: nuvexport user, huh?
[23:51:00] PatrickDK: no
[23:51:00] laga: hehe
[23:51:00] SqWaw: well its my guesstimate from genlop -t gcc-3.3.6
[23:52:00] SqWaw: one emerge was 19 minutes and the other was 22 minutes
[23:52:00] SqWaw: so i guesstimated.
[23:52:00] PatrickDK: I need to finish my replaytv -> mythtv import
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[23:59:00] SqWaw: ~5 minutes left.

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