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Thursday, September 22nd, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Hondo (n=hondohud@fl-71-2-53-103.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #mythtv-users
[00:00:00] Juski: well just tried the newest minimyth... still not playing transcoded recordings right.. think I'll give transcoding a miss
[00:01:00] Hondo: Any one installed a AIr2pC HD5000 card and got it working
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[00:03:00] Hondo: I patched the kernel with the patch provided by Taylor and everything seems to be OK, but when I go into mythsetup it tells me the card is there but denies permission to use, what the crap could this be
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[00:05:00] Juski: it could mean that the permissions on the device are wrong...
[00:06:00] Juski: (just a shot in the dark...)
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[00:07:00] ha: anyone have experience with live tv video freezing? bad socket; remote encoder not responding
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[00:12:00] ulitz: kormoc: nah.. what is it?
[00:12:00] ulitz: ha: I think it has to do with the buffer
[00:13:00] kormoc: ulitz, it's the current development tree of the code, if you're not running it, you shouldn't bother to look in the db for the filenames.
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[00:14:00] ha: any idea how to fix it? when watching in mythtv video freezes after about 2 seconds – if i watch in mplayer the video doesnt freeze, but i have no audio...
[00:16:00] Hondo: Anyone know how to check the permissions on the device
[00:16:00] ha: ls -l dev/devicename
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[00:18:00] Hondo: how do you determine the device name
[00:19:00] ha: hondo: which device are you trying to check the permissions on?
[00:19:00] Hondo: its an AIr2pc HD5000
[00:19:00] ha: hondo: is it the only capture card in your system?
[00:20:00] Hondo: yes
[00:20:00] Hondo: its a dvb device
[00:20:00] ha: try: ls -l /dev/video*
[00:22:00] Hondo: it says no such file or directory
[00:23:00] ha: that might be the problem... why are you trying to check the permssions?
[00:23:00] dopester: xris: yes there is a driver for the new air2pc.. it is marketed as the hd5000 i guess to sound beter than the 3k or maybe confuse..
[00:24:00] xris: dopester: yeah. I have one sitting on my desk now....
[00:24:00] Hondo: Got his when I substituted dvb*  – drw-rw-rw- 2 mythtv mythtv 200 Sep 20 14:50 adapter0
[00:25:00] xris: card works well enough, though?
[00:25:00] ** xris wonders if he should swap the work one with his older one **
[00:25:00] Hondo: WHEn I try to access the card in mythtvsetup it tells me I dont have permission
[00:25:00] dopester: it does much better for me over the nxt2002 for 8vsb
[00:25:00] dopester: and it does qam
[00:26:00] ha: hondo: im not positive but i think you want to change the permissions to 777
[00:26:00] Hondo: How do I do that
[00:26:00] Hondo: SOrry I'm new to all of this and trying to learn
[00:27:00] ha: hondo: try chmod 777 /dev/dvb
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[00:28:00] xris: guess I should pop it in the box at work, then... since we could actually USE qam here.
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[00:33:00] Korban: Hi. Just installed my 3rd PVR-250 and have a couple questions ...
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[00:34:00] Korban: First off, this one unlike the other two uses the tuner.
[00:34:00] hfghfh: I give up!!!!, I will now officially given up all this x86_64 mess and go back to plain old i386. It just wont work....
[00:34:00] Korban: So I set a new source on zap2it
[00:34:00] Korban: and assigned it to the tuner.
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[00:35:00] Korban: Butwhen I run mythfilldatabase it doesn't seem to pick that up.
[00:36:00] Korban: I can't change channel when watching TV and the new device isn't listed when I check upcoming recordings.
[00:36:00] Korban: Any ideas on that one?
[00:39:00] Korban: Wait, I just checked the actual database entry and it doesn't look right.
[00:41:00] Hondo: The chmod 777 /dev/dvb didnt help
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[00:46:00] Korban: The other problem is that I don't appear to be getting any sound from the tuner.
[01:03:00] Korban: mythfilldatabase is downloading the channel data now, but everything seems to be working.
[01:03:00] Korban: including the sound.
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[01:07:00] simon_c: Hi, I'm trying to build mythtv on suse10.0, and I'm getting some errors during the build They seem to start at /usr/lib/qt3/include/qsqldatabase.h:63: warning: ‘class QSqlDriverCreatorBase’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructo while building channeleditor.cpp
[01:07:00] Korban: It won't update the scheduler until mythfilldatabase is finished completely, right?
[01:07:00] PatrickDK: ya
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[01:09:00] J_: I have a question or two before building my mythTV box, first is I'm used satellite, DTV, is it possible to tune more than one channel at a time?
[01:10:00] PatrickDK: you can only tune as many channels at a time as you currently can
[01:10:00] J_: aka, 1 reciever 1 channel?
[01:10:00] PatrickDK: and as you have encoders
[01:10:00] PatrickDK: yep
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[01:11:00] J_: and I know this isn't a specific linux support but I have a quick quesiton, any idea what "Kernel Panic – not syncing: attempting to kill init!" means and what to do?
[01:11:00] Cardoe: J_: run
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[01:11:00] J_: ?
[01:12:00] J_: sorry, I'm new to IRC in general
[01:12:00] Cardoe: J_: kernel panic is basically the blue screen of death in windows
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[01:12:00] J_: ok, well I already initialized a reinstall, any ideas what I can do to fix it in the future, espcially since a reboot didn't work this time around
[01:12:00] Cardoe: There's no magical fix
[01:12:00] Cardoe: something bad happened
[01:13:00] Cardoe: some bad unknown
[01:13:00] J_: ok, so just bad luck possibly non compatability for part o my sys
[01:13:00] patch: Can someone help me.Mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to work for me it gets stuck at Unknown authentication scheme.
[01:13:00] patch: Authorization failed.
[01:13:00] patch: Grab complete. Actual data from
[01:13:00] Tanthrix: Use a bootdisk / livecd to check your syslog
[01:13:00] J_: ok, if it does it again I'll remember that
[01:13:00] patch: I cant fetch any channels
[01:14:00] Cardoe: patch: you didn't configure your grabber properly
[01:14:00] Tanthrix: If it's working now, check the log anyway and see what happened.
[01:14:00] J_: well when I got up this morning I started the reinstall before I left cause I need it working garunteed tonight
[01:14:00] J_: so I will definately check the log in the future
[01:15:00] J_: ty for the advice
[01:15:00] patch: Cardoe: what do you mean?
[01:15:00] Tanthrix: Np.
[01:15:00] Cardoe: patch: where are you from?
[01:16:00] patch: Cardoe: California , US
[01:16:00] Cardoe: patch: you need to configure data direct
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[01:17:00] patch: Cardoe: I already have it set to that in mythsetup
[01:17:00] Cardoe: patch: What distro?
[01:17:00] patch: gentoo
[01:17:00] Cardoe: Go in the corner and think about what you've done wrong.
[01:17:00] Cardoe: patch: wget -V
[01:18:00] Cardoe: patch: what install method/guide/etc did you use?
[01:18:00] patch: Wget 1.10
[01:18:00] patch: Cardoe: the one at mythtv.org
[01:19:00] Cardoe: just emerge mythtv
[01:19:00] Cardoe: Nothing fancy
[01:19:00] J_: does anyone know if AverMedea Aver TV go will work with mythtv?
[01:19:00] patch: Cardoe: I already did that
[01:19:00] Cardoe: So you made sure Data Direct was working in MythSetup
[01:20:00] Cardoe: patch: yes I know. I was commenting on that doc is too fancy.
[01:20:00] Cardoe: patch: you matched up your input to the provider
[01:20:00] Korban: Is there a way to tell mythfilldatabase to refresh a specific date?
[01:20:00] patch: Cardoe : It was already set to Data Direct in mythsetup.
[01:20:00] Cardoe: patch: and you put your username and password in?
[01:20:00] patch: yep and it wont fetch the listings
[01:21:00] patch: I use the exact same username and pass at the site and it works.
[01:21:00] Cardoe: patch: and how long has it been working for you?
[01:21:00] patch: Cardoe: It hasn't.
[01:22:00] Cardoe: patch: then go back into mythsetup
[01:22:00] Korban: J_: I think that's the bttv card I used to us.
[01:22:00] patch: k
[01:22:00] Korban: use
[01:22:00] Cardoe: J_: it's just a plain BTTV card
[01:22:00] patch: then?
[01:22:00] Cardoe: patch: redo it
[01:22:00] Cardoe: patch: re-associate the Data Direct listing to your card input
[01:22:00] Korban: J_: So, yes it does work.
[01:23:00] Cardoe: It should pull down info with your City and Zip
[01:23:00] J_: ok thanks
[01:23:00] Cardoe: that's how you know it's working
[01:23:00] J_: I thought that's what he ment
[01:23:00] J_: Korban: if it wasn't installed in the machine at time of install do you know if there's anything extra I need to do to set it up when I do put it in?
[01:23:00] Korban: J_: But it's software encoding, so you need a fairly decent processor
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[01:23:00] J_: AMD 64 3500+
[01:23:00] J_: should work, right?
[01:24:00] Cardoe: J_: yes
[01:24:00] Korban: J_: Just as long as you have the right modules built, should be fine.
[01:24:00] J_: Korban: modules? don't laugh too hard, not too familiar w/ linux here
[01:25:00] Korban: J_: I actually ran the avermedia on a Celeron 466 for a brief time. It worked ok (356x240 res).
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[01:25:00] patch: Cardoe:ok I just did that and it still doesnt pull any info about my city nor zip
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[01:25:00] patch: I just redid mythsetup
[01:25:00] J_: Korban: ok, so what res do you think my processor could handle? I want the best I can get
[01:25:00] Cardoe: patch: Directly below where you type in your user/pass
[01:25:00] Cardoe: it'll show your city, state, zip
[01:26:00] patch: it doesnt
[01:26:00] Cardoe: and the provider you used
[01:26:00] patch: I know it will
[01:26:00] Cardoe: patch: then go to http://labs.zap2it.com
[01:26:00] patch: But it doesn't
[01:26:00] Cardoe: And login
[01:26:00] patch: k
[01:26:00] Cardoe: and make sure you did everything on theirs ite.
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[01:26:00] J_: Korban: also should I give up on being cheap and buy something that hardware encodes?
[01:26:00] Korban: J_: If you want the best you can get, splurge on a hardware encoder (PVR-250 for example).
[01:26:00] J_: the aver is still within return policy
[01:26:00] Cardoe: J_: If you bought an AMD64.... and you're trying to cut corners...
[01:26:00] J_: Korban: ok, gotta love frys
[01:26:00] Korban: Otherwise, experiment.
[01:26:00] patch: my sattus is active Subscription Expires: 2005/12/03
[01:26:00] patch: Subscription Plan: Gold
[01:26:00] patch: status
[01:27:00] Cardoe: patch: ok.. and did you select some listings?
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[01:27:00] patch: Cardoe: Local Broadcast Listings – Antenna (for 90660)
[01:27:00] J_: Cardoe: the 64 is why I'm cutting corners, I'm poor now =(
[01:27:00] Korban: But, the bttv cards are cheap and can hold you over until you buy a hardware card.
[01:28:00] Korban: What size is your TV?
[01:28:00] J_: Korban: the TV is 42" wide, the computer screen is 17"
[01:28:00] J_: -widescreen that is
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[01:29:00] patch: Cardoe: mysql is running too
[01:29:00] patch: Cardoe: so it mythbackend
[01:29:00] patch: s/it/is
[01:29:00] Korban: You'll probably want a good res on a screen that size then.
[01:29:00] J_: Korban: I figured, my plan was to go with the most I could handle
[01:30:00] Cardoe: patch: can you start the frontend?
[01:30:00] J_: Korban: do you think that 64 could handle enough to give me a desireable res
[01:31:00] Korban: You could try it. The avermedia is cheap enough that you don't lose much if it doesn't work out.
[01:31:00] J_: Korban: also how much does the rest of the system play into the encoding, RAM etc?
[01:31:00] J_: yeah, except my first episode =P
[01:31:00] J_: that's my biggest prob, I got into it a little late and I'm hoping to get it up by later tonight
[01:31:00] Korban: I upgraded the 466 because it couldn't handle DVDs, not because it couldn't encode well enough :).
[01:31:00] patch: Cardoe : yep. But I cant watch tv.
[01:31:00] Cardoe: patch: why not?
[01:32:00] Cardoe: patch: Watch Live TV
[01:32:00] Cardoe: patch: type in a channel
[01:32:00] Cardoe: patch: run mythsetup from command line.
[01:32:00] Cardoe: what does the scroll back say when you quit it?
[01:32:00] Cardoe: the error
[01:32:00] Cardoe: also
[01:32:00] Cardoe: emerge -pv wget
[01:33:00] Cardoe: what's your ssl USE flag?
[01:33:00] patch: net-misc/wget-1.10
[01:33:00] patch: -ssl
[01:34:00] Cardoe: I wonder
[01:34:00] patch: Do I need to add the ssl USE flag?
[01:34:00] J_: Korban: just wondering, how much of a load does the prog put on the rest of the system?
[01:34:00] Octane: anyone here running fc3 have a solid sources.list they can share
[01:34:00] Cardoe: patch: you might
[01:35:00] Korban: You mean encoding with avermedia? Mine was at about 50% on a 2.6GHz pentium.
[01:35:00] patch: Cardoe: K ill recompile wget with ssl USE flag
[01:35:00] patch: Cardoe: ill recompile wget with ssl USE flag
[01:35:00] J_: ok, well considering that 64 outperforms my 3.4HT P$
[01:35:00] patch: to see what happens
[01:35:00] J_: P4
[01:35:00] Korban: That was low res though
[01:35:00] Cardoe: patch: echo "net-misc/wget : ssl" >> /etc/portage/package.use
[01:35:00] Korban: higher res increases load eponentially.
[01:35:00] J_: yeah, well I'll play w/ it, they will probably rerun the episode if this doesn't work
[01:36:00] Korban: Use a VCR for backup :)
[01:36:00] patch: Cardoe : too late I used. USE="ssl" emerge wget
[01:36:00] Tanthrix: Get a PVR-150 MCE, they're cheap and have the benefits of the pvr cards.
[01:36:00] J_: yeah, I gotta find a tape... ><
[01:36:00] patch: Its already in the middles
[01:36:00] patch: middle
[01:36:00] J_: well thank you for the help, i gotta go
[01:36:00] kormoc: Cardoe, what's with the : in the use flags?
[01:37:00] Cardoe: patch: well you'll want to run my command later... so later updates of wget automatically have ssl USE flag set.
[01:37:00] Cardoe: kormoc: eh. I'm used to it.
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[01:37:00] patch: Cardoe: hey I think that USE flag did it.
[01:38:00] patch: Cardoe: Ill just add it to /etc/make.conf.
[01:38:00] Cardoe: kormoc: Originally the code we worked on for supporting /etc/portage you spaced stuff with :
[01:39:00] patch: Cardoe: and about running mythtv frontend . I just got a blank screen , but Im guessing its because I don't have any channles set yet.
[01:39:00] Cardoe: patch: did you re-run mythsetup?
[01:40:00] patch: Cardoe: Now I did.
[01:41:00] patch: Cardoe: I get my zip code listed now
[01:41:00] Cardoe: patch: alright
[01:41:00] Cardoe: now run mythfilldatabase
[01:41:00] patch: Yeah I already did.
[01:41:00] patch: Its fetching the channels now.
[01:42:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ahh, makes sense
[01:43:00] patch: Cardoe: Should I be able to watch live tv without having to run mythfilldatabase first?
[01:43:00] Korban: You wouldn't be able to change channels.
[01:43:00] patch: Cause I wasn't able to. I have that isn't a seperate issue.
[01:43:00] patch: s/have/hope
[01:43:00] patch: Korban: what about view them.
[01:44:00] Korban: Did you have it setup to use the correct input?
[01:44:00] patch: Korban: Doesn't it try and start at a certain channel?
[01:44:00] Cardoe: kormoc: Old habits die hard.
[01:44:00] patch: Korban: Yeah, but I hadnt run mythfilldatabase after tho.
[01:45:00] patch: Because I couldn't till now.
[01:45:00] Korban: It's kinda weird without channel data. On the 250 I just setup, it would give me a picture but no sound.
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[01:45:00] Korban: After I got the channel data problem sorted it worked fine.
[01:45:00] patch: ah ok because I was getting a black screen.
[01:46:00] Korban: What do you have? A PVR?
[01:46:00] patch: Is it normal to pause at this stage? Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[01:46:00] patch: Unmarking repeats from grabber that fall within our new episode window...found 45
[01:46:00] kristin_: hi again
[01:47:00] patch: No I have a bttv compatible card.
[01:47:00] kristin_: has anyone managed to get a pvr-250 to work using the svideo port under gentoo?
[01:47:00] patch: You probably should modify the Master Server settings
[01:47:00] patch: in the setup program and set the proper IP address.
[01:47:00] patch: error resceduling id -1 in ScheduledRecording::signalChange
[01:47:00] patch: Cardoe: you know anything about this error
[01:47:00] patch: the connection apparently timed out connecting to the backend
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[01:48:00] patch: I set the ip address to 127.0.0.1 in mythsetup.
[01:49:00] Cardoe: ps aux... see if mythbackend is still running
[01:49:00] Cardoe: kristin_: it's more the driver then the distro... what driver?
[01:49:00] kristin_: 0.3.8
[01:50:00] kristin_: i was using 0.2.0_rc3-r5
[01:51:00] Cardoe: neither of them work?
[01:51:00] kristin_: that is correct
[01:51:00] kristin_: i get nothing but static
[01:51:00] patch: Cardoe: it wasnt running , but it is now and Im getting the same error. It hangs at Connecting to backend server. Connection timed out.
[01:51:00] Cardoe: kristin_: shouldn't ever get static from s-video
[01:52:00] kristin_: i was thinking the same thing
[01:52:00] kristin_: but i have tried inputs 0 – 9
[01:52:00] kristin_: all the same thing
[01:52:00] Korban: Is there a big difference in upgrading to 0.3.8, or if everythings working with 0.2.0_rc3-r5 should I just leave well enough alone?
[01:52:00] Cardoe: Korban: leave it alone
[01:53:00] Cardoe: I just decided to start supporting the newest releases
[01:53:00] Cardoe: since they've become more sane with the new maintainer.
[01:53:00] Chutt: anyone using a pvr-xx0 card and svn, i'd like to know if current svn (as of 30 seconds ago) still works ok in live-tv
[01:54:00] ** Cardoe pokes Chutt **
[01:54:00] PatrickDK: goes on mine
[01:55:00] PatrickDK: does
[01:55:00] patch: Cardoe: Do you know why I cant connect to the backend?
[01:55:00] PatrickDK: though I'm thinking about downgrading
[01:55:00] kristin_: my system consists of a pvr-250 and a samsung sir-ts360
[01:56:00] kristin_: i do not have a coax output so i can only use svideo
[01:56:00] Cardoe: kristin_: ivtvctl -p 6
[01:56:00] Cardoe: That should switch it to svideo
[01:57:00] kristin_: i'll try again
[01:57:00] Cardoe: better to capture at command line to test
[01:57:00] Korban: Do a cat /dev/video > test.mpg for a few seconds then try playing it with mplayer
[01:57:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I'm testing for you now
[01:57:00] Cardoe: Chutt: pulled rev 7284
[01:57:00] kristin_: i've been just doing mplayer /dev/video0
[01:58:00] Korban: I guess that will work too :)
[01:58:00] kristin_: holy crap!
[01:58:00] kristin_: ot worked!
[01:58:00] Korban: I did that because I was playing back on another machine (cat to mounted drive)
[01:58:00] kristin_: it is very very dim
[01:58:00] kristin_: but i have output now!
[01:58:00] Chutt: cool.
[01:59:00] kristin_: but no audio
[01:59:00] Cardoe: Chutt: still compiling
[01:59:00] Chutt: channel changing _should_ be noticeably faster, too
[01:59:00] Cardoe: 100% 18MB 17.6MB/s 00:01
[01:59:00] Cardoe: ha! I love direct connects
[01:59:00] Chutt: back in a while..
[02:00:00] kristin_: any ideas Cardoe?
[02:00:00] Cardoe: kristin_: ivtvctl -q 1
[02:00:00] kristin_: nothing
[02:01:00] kristin_: i am using the line in on the pvr card
[02:01:00] Korban: 8:00! My first "recording three things at once" should be happening now ...
[02:01:00] Cardoe: that should switch it to the line in
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[02:01:00] Cardoe: kristin_: make sure you've set it to capture
[02:02:00] Cardoe: in ALSA config
[02:02:00] kristin_: let me try my mixer
[02:02:00] Cardoe: patch: your mysql perms aren't right maybe
[02:02:00] Cardoe: patch: mysql -u mythtv -p
[02:02:00] Cardoe: patch: password should be mythtv
[02:02:00] Korban: Yay, it's all working
[02:02:00] patch: Cardoe: k
[02:02:00] patch: Im in
[02:03:00] kristin_: i do not have a capture in the mixer
[02:03:00] Cardoe: Chutt: know where I can get a full length PCI back plate for a PVR-150 low profile?
[02:03:00] patch: was I supposed to run this as root?
[02:03:00] Korban: Running about 90–95% idle too.
[02:03:00] Cardoe: patch: doesn't matter
[02:03:00] patch: k
[02:03:00] Cardoe: patch: type use mythconverg;
[02:03:00] Cardoe: select * from programs limit 100;
[02:03:00] Cardoe: did it spit out a bunch of stuff?
[02:03:00] patch: Reading table information for completion of table and column names
[02:03:00] patch: You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
[02:03:00] patch: Database changed
[02:03:00] patch: Thats what it spat out
[02:04:00] patch: was I supposed to type select * from programs limit 100; as well?
[02:04:00] Cardoe: yes
[02:04:00] patch: If so I got mythconverg.programs' doesn't exist
[02:05:00] kristin_: hmm "Analog M" worked
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[02:06:00] Cardoe: patch: er.. how about select * from record limit 100;
[02:06:00] patch: Empty set (0.00 sec)
[02:06:00] kristin_: last problem is the brightness
[02:06:00] kristin_: very dim
[02:07:00] Cardoe: either...
[02:08:00] Cardoe: ivtvctl -y brightness=0
[02:08:00] Cardoe: or
[02:08:00] Cardoe: ivtvctl -y brightness=255
[02:08:00] patch: Cardoe : I have to go to the batchroom be right back.
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[02:10:00] kristin_: cardoe is there a gui tool i can use to adjust the video settings?
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[02:11:00] Cardoe: no
[02:11:00] kristin_: ok
[02:11:00] Cardoe: ivtvctl --help
[02:11:00] kristin_: so it is trial and error then
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[02:12:00] JoshTriplett: Followup on my earlier issue with long initial delays when reading from /dev/video0: I upgraded to 0.3.8 and added the settings from <http://mezzanines.blogspot.com/2005/08/xv-sup . . . 50.html>, and that problem is now gone.
[02:13:00] JoshTriplett: However, I still have some display jerkiness after 5–15 minutes or so; this is true whether I'm running video or just moving around the MythTV menus.
[02:13:00] JoshTriplett: The new driver is much improved though.
[02:13:00] patch: Cardoe : Im still in mysql. Is there anything else youd like me to do?
[02:14:00] mchou: wow, a plane flying over LAX has a stuck gear and cant land. jet Blue
[02:15:00] patch: mchou: Is that on the news?
[02:15:00] JoshTriplett: What might be the cause of the display slowing way down after a bit?
[02:15:00] mchou: patch: yeah, it's on news in SF Bay area.
[02:15:00] Agrajag-: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-A . . . ergency.html
[02:16:00] mchou: I guess Airbus is going to be in deep shit
[02:16:00] mchou: too many Airbus malfunctions lately
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[02:17:00] dev-: haha they gonna belly land it?
[02:18:00] kristin_: i'm more concerned about hurricane rita. it has just been upgraded to the third most intense storm on record.
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[02:18:00] dev-: yeah that rules too
[02:18:00] dev-: gonna be some good news to record again
[02:18:00] Cardoe: mchou: yeah I was just watching that.
[02:18:00] dev-: heh
[02:18:00] kristin_: 165 mph sustained winds and the pressure continues to falk
[02:18:00] kristin_: fall
[02:19:00] mchou: kristin_: yeah, the whole south is a erite-off this year.
[02:19:00] mchou: write*
[02:19:00] Cardoe: mchou: not florida
[02:19:00] ** Cardoe kicks back in the sun in Florida. **
[02:19:00] mchou: Cardoe: lol, your turn will come
[02:19:00] ** kristin_ is in the south **
[02:19:00] Cardoe: hurricanes... ha!
[02:19:00] kristin_: south carolina is due next :p
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[02:20:00] mchou: we're going to run out of greek letters soon......
[02:20:00] kristin_: it has been over 10 years now
[02:20:00] mchou: next years will be even worse, mark my works
[02:20:00] dev-: msnbc
[02:20:00] mchou: words*
[02:20:00] dev-: live coverage
[02:20:00] dev-: its making a landing
[02:20:00] Cardoe: all of them is live
[02:21:00] dev-: this is gonna be awesome
[02:22:00] kristin_: what channel on directv??
[02:22:00] dev-: lazy++
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[02:23:00] redfox: anyone know what kind of airplane it is?
[02:23:00] redfox: A310?
[02:23:00] mchou: Airbus
[02:23:00] redfox: do you know what model?
[02:23:00] mchou: hmm, not sure which model
[02:23:00] redfox: I rode on an a303 earlier this year...
[02:23:00] patch: Cardoe: hesy so how do I fix those permissions?
[02:24:00] Cardoe: Airbus A320
[02:24:00] Cardoe: Landing @ 8:25pm
[02:24:00] Cardoe: Not sure if that's EST (I'm watching it from EST)
[02:24:00] redfox: Cardoe, ok thanks
[02:24:00] Cardoe: cause that's in 1 min
[02:24:00] mchou: Cardoe: probably EST
[02:24:00] Cardoe: patch: hang on
[02:24:00] JoshTriplett: Cardoe: Yeah, that's EST.
[02:25:00] patch: k
[02:25:00] mchou: looks like they are doing a belly flop
[02:25:00] mchou: when they dump fuel we know it's for real
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[02:26:00] ecliptik: does anyone know of a apt sources for debian sarge that I can use to install mythtv?
[02:27:00] Cardoe: mchou: they already dumped the fuel
[02:27:00] Cardoe: You missed it by like 3–4 min
[02:27:00] mchou: Cardoe: ok, I must have missed that
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[02:27:00] Cardoe: patch: try the same stuff but this time start with mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -u mythtv -p
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[02:28:00] kristin_: minneapolis has a tornado on the ground heading for downtown
[02:28:00] mchou: wow, US must be going to hell in a handbasket
[02:28:00] redfox: lol
[02:28:00] patch: Cardoe: it wont connect now.
[02:29:00] redfox: I'm not sure if I should watch the plane, hurricane, or tornado
[02:29:00] Cardoe: the hurricane is boring
[02:29:00] kristin_: well where i live, half the gas stations in the city were out of gas by 5pm today
[02:29:00] mchou: I'm watching the plane :)
[02:29:00] Cardoe: plane is my vote
[02:29:00] Cardoe: patch: try this
[02:29:00] Cardoe: mysql -u root -p
[02:29:00] patch: fox news is going to break away. NOOOO
[02:29:00] mchou: kristin_: you gonna evacuate?
[02:29:00] Cardoe: type your root password... whatever you set it to
[02:29:00] Cardoe: patch: then
[02:29:00] kristin_: why?
[02:29:00] patch: yay channel 9
[02:30:00] kristin_: i'm in south carolina
[02:30:00] kristin_: cnn has the live plane
[02:30:00] mchou: kristin_: why is eveyone outta gas then?
[02:30:00] Cardoe: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@127.0.0.1 IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";
[02:30:00] mchou: everyone*
[02:30:00] Cardoe: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
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[02:30:00] kristin_: because katrina cut gas supplies off to us for a week
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[02:30:00] Cardoe: mchou: everyone gets retarded with gas
[02:30:00] Cardoe: People spazzed for no reason
[02:30:00] kristin_: it is hits houston, that is the largest pipeline to the east coast
[02:30:00] Cardoe: Gas went from 2.68 to 3.14 here
[02:31:00] Cardoe: and then it went back down
[02:31:00] Cardoe: cause it wasn't an issue
[02:31:00] kristin_: that = we are screwed
[02:31:00] dev-: yeah i filled up today, it'll go up ;\
[02:31:00] mchou: I blame all those goddamn SUVs
[02:31:00] dev-: yeah :(
[02:31:00] dev-: these stupid bastards drive 30+ miles a day in freaking exploresr and trailblazers
[02:31:00] PatrickDK: heh? I don't see what suv's have to do with it
[02:31:00] kristin_: it went from $2.69 a gallon to over $3.00 in about 2 hours
[02:31:00] dev-: PatrickDK: ^^^^
[02:31:00] mchou: 2.69 is CHEAP.
[02:31:00] kristin_: my suv gets good mileage
[02:32:00] mchou: screw that.
[02:32:00] Cardoe: Mother Nature is having a real temper tantrum today huh?
[02:32:00] JoshTriplett: ecliptik: I'm in the process of setting up a Debian sarge MythTV box right now. :)
[02:32:00] dev-: your hummer says it gets 18mpg highway?
[02:32:00] mchou: stop deluding yourself
[02:32:00] kristin_: who has a hummer?
[02:32:00] dev-: my audi averages 27.8mpg for my highway and city driveing. i fille up once a week, drive 65miles a day
[02:32:00] JoshTriplett: ecliptik: Just add the deb-src lines for the unstable repository at "deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv", and build them from source.
[02:32:00] kristin_: dev my lexus gets around the same
[02:32:00] mchou: all SUVs suck ballz
[02:33:00] dev-: ohhh but you need it for snow. i see more suvs off the road.. i just drive right by. quattro is nice./
[02:33:00] dev-: and its the same shit :)
[02:33:00] dev-: but really, the bad suv drivers, are the ones that commute in them
[02:33:00] dev-: those stupid idiots haha
[02:33:00] dev-: hatred, mucho hatred.
[02:33:00] dev-: and they all drive like shit too
[02:33:00] dev-: pardon my french
[02:33:00] kristin_: not all drivers are bad
[02:33:00] mchou: I dont care who drive SUVs. They all suck ballz
[02:33:00] Agrajag-: im with mchou
[02:34:00] dev-: amen
[02:34:00] Cardoe: patch: did you try that?
[02:34:00] kristin_: why?
[02:34:00] kristin_: i get as good of gas mileage as you do dev
[02:35:00] mchou: that's pure BS. no suv is going to get good gas mileage as a sedan
[02:35:00] kristin_: bull nothintg
[02:35:00] patch: Cardoe: yeah
[02:35:00] patch: Cardoe: Its still not connecting.
[02:35:00] Agrajag-: driving an suv just shows you irresponsible you are
[02:35:00] mchou: kristin_: try riding a bike
[02:36:00] kristin_: it gets better mileage than the saturn i used to drive
[02:36:00] mchou: haha.
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[02:37:00] mchou: that's cause the saturn was probably 10 yrs old and lexus is relatively new
[02:37:00] dev-: its possible he has the hybrid escape
[02:37:00] dev-: that gets decent gas mileage..
[02:37:00] dev-: but its so expensive i dunno if its even worth it l\
[02:37:00] patch: Cardoe: I cant connect tothe mysql database and do what you told me to. But when I run mythfilldatabase and it tries to connect to the backend server it times out.
[02:37:00] kristin_: dev- "afe, comfortable, utilitarian, 20/26 mpg mileage ratings – the 2004 Lexus RX330 defines excellence in its category."
[02:37:00] mchou: lol, that's BS
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[02:37:00] mchou: all EPA testing is bunk anyways
[02:37:00] ** kristin_ shrugs **
[02:38:00] mchou: they assume ppl drive 45mph on highways
[02:38:00] Cardoe: Chutt: good job on whatever you did.
[02:38:00] kristin_: i should know how much i use, i drive it and fill it
[02:38:00] Cardoe: Chutt: kind of funny at first... cause it shows a frame of the old chan real quick
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[02:38:00] Cardoe: Chutt: but it's an improvement
[02:38:00] kristin_: i do not drive like a ricer
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[02:39:00] ** mocker waits patiently for lost to come on. **
[02:39:00] mchou: ricers dont drive SUVs :)
[02:39:00] mchou: no self respecting ricer is gonna drive SUVs
[02:39:00] kristin_: true, they can barely afford paint for their heap
[02:39:00] mchou: I have more repect for ricers than SUV drivers myself
[02:40:00] mchou: SUV drivers are next to the cockroach on the evolution scale
[02:41:00] kristin_: you know that is just a shitty thing to say
[02:41:00] mocker: mchou: Tell us how you really feel.. :)
[02:41:00] ** kristin_ shrugs, i guess you are just showing your youth **
[02:41:00] dev-: haha
[02:41:00] mchou: mocker: that IS how I really feel
[02:41:00] dev-: i actually just bought springs today for my a4
[02:42:00] dev-: its body rolling way too much. stock springs, very mushy
[02:42:00] dev-: got h&r sport springs
[02:42:00] kristin_: how much did you pay for your a4?
[02:42:00] dev-: just got new tires put on, my old ones were bald. it rained here 2 weeks ago and slid out into the grass it ruled
[02:42:00] mchou: 319s cant dump fuel
[02:42:00] dev-: 16k
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[02:43:00] dev-: 2001.5 1.8t 5speed
[02:43:00] mchou: according to pilot commentator
[02:43:00] kristin_: oh ok so it is an older model then
[02:43:00] mchou: that's why they keep flying
[02:43:00] dev-: yeah its the last year of the b5
[02:43:00] mchou: till tank becomes empty
[02:43:00] dev-: the b6 is a slug
[02:43:00] dev-: its 600–700lbs heavier
[02:43:00] kristin_: well for all of the suv haters here, a tank of gas usually will last me 3 weeks to a month
[02:44:00] mchou: lol, that's cause your gas tank is BIG
[02:44:00] mocker: kris: How big is your tank?
[02:44:00] mchou: compared to a sedan
[02:44:00] kristin_: no, it is because i walk to work and back every day
[02:44:00] ** mocker loses. **
[02:44:00] kristin_: unless it is raining hard
[02:44:00] dev-: i wish i could walk to work. that rules
[02:44:00] mchou: I bike to work
[02:44:00] dev-: 32.5miles walking would take a long time lol
[02:45:00] mchou: bike comes in handy in flood too :)
[02:45:00] dev-: but its a fun drive. bmws, inifinities, mercedes, we all enjoy each other
[02:45:00] mocker: dev: About the same distance for me.
[02:45:00] mchou: dev-: 32.5 miles on a bike is 1.5hrs
[02:45:00] kristin_: i drive to the store and occasionally to see friends that are not within walking distance
[02:45:00] dev-: mchou hehe i live south of nyc
[02:45:00] mchou: dev-: I used to be bike messenger in NYC
[02:45:00] dev-: you dont bike to work on the parkway -> turnpike -> the expressway -> holland tunnel hehe
[02:46:00] kristin_: up in new jersey i huess dev- ?
[02:46:00] kristin_: guess
[02:46:00] mchou: dev-: take the damn bike on the train then
[02:46:00] dev-: this thing needs to crash^H^H^H^Hland already
[02:46:00] dev-: train station is like 10miles away
[02:46:00] mchou: so?
[02:46:00] mchou: bike to the train station
[02:46:00] Cardoe: Was anyone listening to Paula Zahn being stupid?
[02:46:00] dev-: id have to get up at 6am or some crazy thing to get to work by 9:30
[02:46:00] dev-: as it is i cant get up at 7:45
[02:46:00] Cardoe: please... someone else tell me you heard that like 5 min ago
[02:47:00] mchou: dev-: excuses :)
[02:47:00] dev-: im not sacrifiing that much time for the dumb enviornment :)
[02:47:00] Cardoe: tell me you heard it so we can discuss it
[02:47:00] Cardoe: and it can leave my head.
[02:47:00] kristin_: dev- i used to live in san francisco and worked in mountain view
[02:47:00] dev-: i drive as efficient/me kind of car as i can ;)
[02:47:00] mchou: Cardoe: no, I missed it
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[02:47:00] kristin_: that is a 2 hour 45 minute commute each way
[02:47:00] Cardoe: mchou: she asked why they were landing at LAX rather back at Burbank.
[02:47:00] mchou: dev-: maybe, but you dont carpool
[02:47:00] dev-: screw that, you could drive it in an hour
[02:47:00] dev-: see what i mean?
[02:47:00] JoshTriplett: Hmmm; looks like trying to use xv produces the green/purple mess that others have seen.
[02:47:00] dev-: mchou: noone lives by me
[02:48:00] mchou: Cardoe: why do you consider that a ditz question?
[02:48:00] Cardoe: mchou: and the guy said... well they have 4 runways rather then 1 at burbank and all of them are longer at LAX too
[02:48:00] Cardoe: mchou: she said... well then could you venture a guess why?
[02:48:00] dev-: but we do meetup on the turnpike sometimes because we do all take that. interesting to race your coworkers
[02:49:00] Cardoe: mchou: he said.. a landing at burbank means closing the entire airport for this where at LAX it's localized
[02:49:00] dev-: ah, so they have to burnoff all this fuel first. should have scehdueld this recording for longer ;/ 2hrs isnt gonna be enough
[02:49:00] mchou: dev-: you work in NYC?
[02:49:00] Cardoe: mchou: and she still asked why
[02:49:00] dev-: just outside it, hoboken
[02:49:00] Cardoe: so he just got fed up and said "because they're going to emergency crash a plane into the runway.
[02:49:00] dev-: so fortunately, i just go the entrance of the tunnel. not through it
[02:49:00] JoshTriplett: dev-: AFAIK latest MythTV lets you extend the end time of an active recording.
[02:49:00] mchou: I dont think landing at LAX is a good idea at all.
[02:49:00] Cardoe: dev-: HAHHAHAHAAHAH Hoboken!
[02:49:00] dev-: JoshTriplett: oh yeah? nice!
[02:49:00] dev-: JoshTriplett: thnx
[02:49:00] mocker: dev: What show?
[02:49:00] JoshTriplett: dev-: FSVO "latest" though. :)
[02:49:00] dev-: the news ;)
[02:50:00] Cardoe: mchou: uh. The runway is longer.. there's a more developed emergency reponse team
[02:50:00] dev-: lax is used to crashes
[02:50:00] dev-: burnbank isnt
[02:50:00] Cardoe: mchou: when the surface gets messed up from being hit by a plane
[02:50:00] mchou: no, it was originally long beach, not burbank
[02:50:00] kristin_: so mchou what do YOU drive?
[02:50:00] Cardoe: the airport can still operate.
[02:50:00] Cardoe: mchou: they said burbank on the news
[02:50:00] mchou: I drive a toyota camry
[02:51:00] kristin_: that is a nice car too
[02:51:00] mchou: I'm gonna buy a prius soon.
[02:51:00] mchou: no damn american cars for me
[02:51:00] JoshTriplett: Anyone else using a PVR-350's tv output?
[02:51:00] kristin_: is that the toyota boxy looking thing?
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[02:51:00] mchou: yeah...
[02:51:00] mchou: but practical :)
[02:52:00] kristin_: if it works for you, then great
[02:52:00] mchou: and most times I just ride my bike :)
[02:52:00] kristin_: for me, my rx330 is practical
[02:52:00] kristin_: most times i walk
[02:52:00] mchou: on take the car for sopping trips to costco and the like
[02:52:00] mchou: shopping*
[02:52:00] kristin_: weather is usually nice here
[02:53:00] dev-: rx330 is not a kind of suv i would really complain about
[02:53:00] dev-: im talking more the expedition, suburbans, tahoes
[02:53:00] mchou: bah, I'd complain
[02:53:00] kristin_: it can carry a vco/4k well though
[02:53:00] dev-: of course the dumbass idiot hummers
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[02:53:00] kristin_: hummer, hah! my boss drives one
[02:53:00] dev-: rx330 is like a murana, or the fx, its better
[02:53:00] kristin_: and bitches daily about gas costs
[02:53:00] dev-: everytime i pass one i point and laugh at them
[02:53:00] dev-: hehe
[02:54:00] mchou: fucking SUVs take up 2 parking spaces in parking lot.
[02:54:00] JoshTriplett: dev-: Right, exactly. It's the 8-person vehicles used to carry one person and occasionally groceries that bug me, not the small "mini-SUV"s.
[02:54:00] mchou: Hummers take up 3
[02:54:00] kristin_: mine is small
[02:54:00] dev-: murano, woops lol
[02:54:00] JoshTriplett: dev-: RAV4, CR-V, etc.
[02:54:00] dev-: yeah
[02:54:00] kristin_: my sister has a murano
[02:55:00] kristin_: i almost got one but i liked the lexus better
[02:55:00] JoshTriplett: kristin_: Looks like an interesting vehicle, but how do you live down the name? :)
[02:55:00] kristin_: the name?
[02:55:00] mchou: kristin_: why did you buy an SUV?
[02:55:00] JoshTriplett: "murano". :)
[02:55:00] Cardoe: mchou: 8:25pm has to be PST
[02:55:00] mchou: It's a serious question.....
[02:55:00] mchou: Cardoe: that's 3 hrs from now.
[02:56:00] kristin_: because it can carry my kayak, my camping gear, my bike, lots of groceries
[02:56:00] mchou: well, 2.5, really
[02:56:00] kristin_: replacement routers and phone switches
[02:56:00] dev-: kristin_: audi a4 avant can do that
[02:56:00] dev-: and get way better gas mileage hehe
[02:56:00] kristin_: and it is good on gas and very comfortable
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[02:56:00] mchou: kristin_: why not a subaru??
[02:56:00] dev-: plus its probably faster lol
[02:56:00] kristin_: what sort of subaru?
[02:56:00] dev-: outbacks are nice
[02:57:00] dev-: and quick :D
[02:57:00] kristin_: can't carry phone switches
[02:57:00] mchou: I dunno, legacy? (the 4WD that's more or less a nice looking station wagon)
[02:57:00] dev-: you can install anything
[02:58:00] mchou: Subaru can carry phone switches.
[02:58:00] kristin_: plus it has a very important thing that all blonde need
[02:58:00] kristin_: all blondes
[02:58:00] kristin_: voice activated navigation
[02:58:00] mchou: bah.
[02:58:00] dev-: so do the new audi's ;p
[02:58:00] mchou: get a gps and you're done
[02:58:00] kristin_: it is a gps silly
[02:59:00] redfox: yeah go garmin, they rock
[02:59:00] mchou: kristin_: I meant aftermarket
[02:59:00] dev-: ive got a roadmate700 in the trailblazer ;p
[02:59:00] kristin_: sorry, i like this suv
[02:59:00] dev-: yeah i have an suv too
[02:59:00] kristin_: it s not even really a suv
[02:59:00] mchou: pox on all you suv drivers
[02:59:00] dev-: it hasnt moved in a month
[03:00:00] mchou: you know why ppl BUY suvs??
[03:00:00] dev-: plus my jetski is broken down, and the boat was never put in the water this year because of bulkhead work on the summer home
[03:00:00] dev-: lol
[03:00:00] dev-: to tow my toys
[03:00:00] mchou: cause they want to DOMINATE
[03:00:00] Fosten: hi i am trying to install mythtv, i was able to run mythsetup once, however now when i type either mythsetup or mythfrontend it says "new db connection, total: 1" and won't proceed any further... any ideas?
[03:00:00] dev-: no i need to drive it in water
[03:00:00] dev-: and a station wagon would flood
[03:00:00] mchou: not because they ever go off road, carry shit
[03:00:00] dev-: yeah im an exception to that
[03:00:00] kristin_: mine does
[03:00:00] dev-: and have the dents to prove it actually
[03:01:00] dev-: how many dents and scratches on your rx330 kristin? lol
[03:01:00] kristin_: i go camping and kayaking often
[03:01:00] mchou: you can count the # of times they do that in a year with 2 hands
[03:01:00] kristin_: i've a fair number of scratches
[03:01:00] mchou: kristin_: just rent a SUV when you do that
[03:01:00] kristin_: no dents though
[03:01:00] dev-: mchou: i admit, this summer i didnt need it. but i drag a jetski around and drop it in the water in marsh lands with mud ramps (aka. useing the land)
[03:02:00] mchou: kristin_: you will still come out ahead.....
[03:02:00] mchou: when you consider gas and insurance, etc.
[03:02:00] kristin_: gas is cheap
[03:02:00] kristin_: i live in south carolina
[03:03:00] kristin_: last summer it was around $1.17 a gallon for cheap stuff
[03:03:00] mchou: kristin_: lol. it's precisely that mentality that needs "correction"
[03:03:00] DarkBeer: n00b questions: I use a pvr 350, and used Jarrod's howto to set everything up. decided I wanted to re-enable my volume up/down in lirc. did that for myth and mplayer. when I go to Watch Recordings, I can scroll up/down, and assumed I would use the right arrow (vol+) to get to the second column to select a show, but it doesn't work. I take it that key can't be both vol up and right arrow?
[03:03:00] mchou: just because gas is cheap doesnt mean you're entitled to drive an SUV whenever you want
[03:03:00] kristin_: a tank is like 23 gallons and lasts me close to a month
[03:04:00] kristin_: so i probably use less fuel than any of you
[03:04:00] mchou: lol
[03:04:00] kristin_: that are giving me a hard time that is
[03:04:00] Riff-Raff: lets see how much gas prices raise after rita demolishes texas city
[03:04:00] mchou: I havent gone to the gas station in the last 6 wks
[03:04:00] kristin_: it is already rising here
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[03:05:00] Riff-Raff: in here premium is about $3
[03:05:00] kristin_: mchou i topped off when katrina came through
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[03:05:00] kristin_: cost $15 for 4 1/2 gallons
[03:06:00] kristin_: my fuel gauge is still on F
[03:06:00] kristin_: about 26 miles since two weeks ago?
[03:07:00] mchou: kristin_: there is no way a SUV has better gas mileage.....
[03:07:00] mchou: the tires are bigger and heavier.....
[03:07:00] kristin_: i average 27mpg
[03:07:00] kristin_: have you even seen an rx220?
[03:07:00] mchou: not counting overall weight.....
[03:07:00] mchou: yup.
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[03:08:00] kristin_: it is not that heavy
[03:09:00] kristin_: around 5,200 pounds
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[03:09:00] mchou: kristin_: try pedaling a bike w/ motocycle tires....
[03:09:00] mchou: rotating mass means more energy to start/stop
[03:10:00] kristin_: what the hell is with bashing on me about my vehical?
[03:10:00] Immolo: anyone know a good kernel patch set for use on a myth box? I was thinking love sources
[03:10:00] mchou: kristin_: no, I'm not singling you out. All SUV drivers
[03:11:00] mchou: you get bashed cause you defending your SUV decision.
[03:11:00] kristin_: aside from the fact my payments are more then a lot of peoples house payments, it is a safe, environementally friendly, efficient
[03:11:00] redfox: mchou, that is true, but still she gets 26 mpg... you can't really argue with that
[03:11:00] kormoc: Cardoe, new ivtv ebuild ++
[03:11:00] kormoc: Cardoe, in otherwords, good and stable
[03:12:00] mchou: redfox: I already said EPA ratings are bunk.
[03:12:00] kristin_: you are putting me in the same category as hummers, escalades, navigators,e tc
[03:12:00] redfox: mchou, they aren't perfect, but 26 mpg is what she has measured
[03:12:00] mchou: kristin_: lol, that's cause it is the same category.
[03:12:00] mchou: SUV==SUV
[03:12:00] redfox: kristin_, is that right? you have measured 26?
[03:12:00] kristin_: that is no different than you putting hyndais and caddilacs in the same category
[03:13:00] mchou: 26 on what?
[03:13:00] mchou: highway? city?
[03:13:00] kristin_: most of my driving is in the city
[03:13:00] kristin_: i have gotten 26 in the city before
[03:13:00] Criggie: I have a 1972 landrover series 3
[03:14:00] Criggie: its a SUV before SUV was invented
[03:14:00] kristin_: keep in mind that i rarely exceed 45 mpg
[03:14:00] kristin_: mph
[03:14:00] kristin_: unless on the highway
[03:14:00] mchou: plane is about to land
[03:14:00] kristin_: and then average speed is 65 – 70
[03:14:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: AFAIK, you can't make the same key have multiple functions in the same application. You'll have to find a way to have the functions you want use the same key, or use different buttons to control them. You can reassign keys via MythWeb.
[03:14:00] Criggie: heh – I've done 40 km/h on my blades. Once
[03:14:00] Criggie: for a very short time
[03:15:00] mchou: I've done 60 on my bike
[03:15:00] mchou: mph
[03:15:00] kristin_: where my transmission is most efficient
[03:15:00] Criggie: fearsome :)
[03:15:00] mchou: downhill, of course
[03:15:00] redfox: mchou, haha that's awesome
[03:15:00] redfox: I've heard of people riding bikes on the highway behind semis
[03:15:00] Criggie: mchou: mine was downhill through a 2 kilometre tunnel with a massive tailwind funnelled in by the hill
[03:15:00] redfox: using the airflow to pull them
[03:15:00] mchou: redfox: yeah, except when you get road rash :)
[03:15:00] Criggie: redfox: "drafting"
[03:15:00] redfox: yeah
[03:15:00] kristin_: so anyway
[03:16:00] mchou: I dont draft d/hill
[03:16:00] Criggie: redfox: racecars do it, as do team pursuit cyclists
[03:16:00] kristin_: how about the people on that plane
[03:16:00] mchou: too dangerous
[03:16:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: How's your tv-out on the 350?
[03:16:00] kristin_: i bet they are scared half to death
[03:16:00] Criggie: kristin_: they got no mythtv thats for sure
[03:16:00] redfox: Criggie, yeah I know about drafting, I'm just think it's cool that it can pull the whole bike
[03:16:00] Criggie: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/21/airliner.eme . . . p/index.html
[03:16:00] kristin_: no but they di have live cnn
[03:17:00] kristin_: here it comes
[03:17:00] kristin_: god bless them all
[03:17:00] JoshTriplett: Fosten: Are you running mythtv as a dedicated user?
[03:17:00] mchou: amen
[03:17:00] kristin_: i'd be terrified
[03:17:00] mchou: look at TV now!
[03:18:00] mchou: brace command!
[03:18:00] mchou: oh shit
[03:19:00] Criggie: some of us can't get TV. please say whats happening
[03:19:00] mchou: wow, they seem safe
[03:19:00] mchou: front tires are gone
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[03:20:00] kristin_: holy crap!
[03:20:00] mchou: but plane has stopped
[03:20:00] kristin_: WOW!
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[03:20:00] mchou: safe landing!
[03:20:00] kristin_: KUDOS TO THAT PILOT!!!
[03:20:00] mchou: yeah!
[03:20:00] JoshTriplett: kristin_: Ditto.
[03:20:00] defaultro: hi mchou
[03:20:00] kristin_: that was amzzing!
[03:21:00] mchou: hi defaultro
[03:21:00] mchou: god, that frint gear is now a stub
[03:21:00] mchou: front*
[03:21:00] mchou: no wheels or tires
[03:21:00] kristin_: a stub but intact
[03:22:00] kristin_: i was sure that was going to break off
[03:22:00] mchou: yeah
[03:22:00] mchou: shit, those passengers must be ready to kill to get off.
[03:23:00] mchou: I'd be screaming bloddy murder
[03:23:00] kristin_: and change their undergarments
[03:23:00] mchou: bloody*
[03:23:00] mchou: wow, that was drama!
[03:24:00] mchou: best thing I've seen on TV since Katrina
[03:24:00] dev-: that was pretty cool
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[03:24:00] kristin_: 3.5g
[03:24:00] mchou: but US is still going to hell in a handbasket
[03:24:00] Cardoe: That was an awesome landing
[03:25:00] mchou: Cardoe: yeah.....
[03:25:00] kristin_: cool, i was able to capture it with cat  :D
[03:25:00] mchou: they rolled the stairs up to the plane
[03:25:00] mchou: the doors are open.
[03:25:00] Cardoe: I bet the first question the news will ask that pilot "What were you thinking?"
[03:26:00] Cardoe: mchou: wtf are the firefighters just standing there for
[03:26:00] mchou: lol
[03:26:00] Agrajag-: what are they supposed to do?
[03:26:00] kristin_: or "were you worred?"
[03:26:00] Cardoe: Agrajag-: Go in?
[03:26:00] kristin_: worried
[03:26:00] Cardoe: Get off the damn stairs..
[03:26:00] Cardoe: so people could come down
[03:26:00] mchou: no, bring the passengers out....
[03:27:00] Cardoe: thank god for the security car driving around
[03:27:00] mchou: hahah
[03:27:00] Cardoe: ok!
[03:27:00] Cardoe: he's in position!
[03:27:00] Cardoe: No wait
[03:27:00] Cardoe: they need to get into donut eating position
[03:27:00] mchou: here come the passengers
[03:28:00] Cardoe: I hope the first person out flashes the Nixon victory sign
[03:28:00] Cardoe: Now they're going to interview ALL the passengers
[03:28:00] mchou: this is cooler than "Die Hard"
[03:28:00] Cardoe: yeah
[03:29:00] mchou: the bus are picking up the passengers
[03:29:00] DarkBeer: JoshTriplett, sorry, was watching the plane landing. Not using tv out on my 350. always seems to lock up, so using svideo out on my nvidia 5200. still need to figure out this lirc issue yet.
[03:29:00] mchou: alls well that ends well.
[03:30:00] Cardoe: mchou: you know someone's gonna slip and fall and bust their ass on the stairs.
[03:30:00] Cardoe: No Larry
[03:30:00] Cardoe: they're going to leave them in the busses
[03:30:00] Cardoe: Just sitting there
[03:30:00] Cardoe: waiting for the plane to get fixed
[03:30:00] Cardoe: and they'll fly the same plane out
[03:30:00] Cardoe: Stupid questions...
[03:31:00] DarkBeer: must be watching larry king
[03:31:00] Cardoe: yeah... CNN
[03:31:00] DarkBeer: some of his questions have been stupid enough to warrant taking his microphone away from him. send him home and tell him to find a new job
[03:31:00] Cardoe: He said "So those passengers are going to be bussed somewhere?"
[03:31:00] mchou: yeah, the hospital
[03:32:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: So, you are using the older hauppauge remote without the separate channel and volume change buttons?
[03:32:00] DarkBeer: JoshTriplett, yes
[03:33:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: I'd suggest remapping keys via MythWeb then, so that the all the functions you want a particular button to do are on the same key.
[03:33:00] DarkBeer: i'll check it out, thanks
[03:33:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: Alternatively, just use separate buttons for the different functions.
[03:34:00] kristin_: now here is a good question... has anyone heard of the USBIRT working with mythtv and linux?
[03:34:00] DarkBeer: I'm assuming that when I'm in the watch recordings menu, I'm still in mythtv? or is it mplayer under control at that point?
[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: The menu is still mythtv.
[03:35:00] guitar256: if I rm <softlink> the target file gets rm'd too right?
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[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: No.
[03:35:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: If you have a file "a" and a symlink "b" pointing to "a", and you "rm b", "a" will still exist.
[03:35:00] guitar256: k
[03:36:00] guitar256: if it were a hard link?
[03:36:00] redfox: I believe it would rm the origional if it was a hard link
[03:36:00] redfox: but I'm not positive...
[03:37:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: It would just remove that hard link, not the file.
[03:37:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: What exactly are you trying to do?
[03:37:00] redfox: arg my bad
[03:37:00] guitar256: learn
[03:37:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Always a good thing to do. :)
[03:37:00] JoshTriplett: redfox: Nah, symlink semantics are often strange.
[03:38:00] JoshTriplett: redfox: For example, some applications treat a trailing slash on a directory symlink to mean "dereference the symlink", while others don't.
[03:38:00] redfox: oh hrm that is interesting
[03:38:00] redfox: i've also seen some oddities with permissions on soft links to directories
[03:38:00] JoshTriplett: DarkBeer: Is this your remote: http://www.htpcforums.com/images/htpcf-winpvr250-3.jpg
[03:39:00] guitar256: so then what's the diff between a hard and soft link?
[03:39:00] redfox: guitar256, http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie5_5.htm is pretty useful
[03:39:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: A soft link just contains the name of the target, and the kernel automatically dereferences it except if you use certain special calls prefixed with "l".
[03:40:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: A hard link is another name for the same inode (which is a pointer to the blocks on disk); it's no different from the other hard links to the file.
[03:41:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: For example, "ln a b ; rm a" will not actually remove any disk storage, it'll just rename the file. :)
[03:41:00] guitar256: but 'ln -s a b; rm a' will leave me with a broken link b
[03:42:00] guitar256: according that doc
[03:42:00] guitar256: regurgitation is great
[03:43:00] redfox: yeah that is how I understand it (now ;-)
[03:45:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: On the other hand, you can create a symlink to a file on another filesystem (but not a hard link), or to a file which doesn't yet exist or doesn't always exist. And a symlink will work even if the target is removed and another file put in its place, whereas a hardlink will still point to the old version.
[03:45:00] guitar256: k got the link thing, here's another:I really like my status reports in windows, when i'm copying/moving large files, how can i make mvor cp show me a percentage output so i know a) has it frozen b) is it almost done
[03:46:00] DarkBeer: JoshTriplett, yes, that's the remote
[03:46:00] DarkBeer: JoshTriplett, I found the fastforward button is programmed as "right", so that works for now
[03:46:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: You can add the -v option, which will at least tell you which file it is working on.
[03:46:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Useful for large recursive copies.
[03:47:00] redfox: I wonder if you could use scp to copy on the same system...
[03:47:00] guitar256: yea that doesn't tell me if it's almost done, or if i'm moving a large file
[03:47:00] redfox: not what it is made for, but it does have a progress bar
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: redfox: You can, actually.
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: redfox: Usually unintentionally. :)
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[03:47:00] redfox: that might be the best bet for big files
[03:47:00] redfox: haha
[03:47:00] JoshTriplett: redfox: Such as if you leave off the : on the hostname of the destination. :)
[03:48:00] redfox: yeah I can see how that would be a problem
[03:48:00] redfox: I always just type scp; first so I can see the syntax
[03:48:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: You might also consider using a graphical file manager if you like more feedback.
[03:48:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: GNOME with nautilus is quite user-friendly in that way.
[03:49:00] redfox: yeah that is probably your best bet. But I've never had a problem with cp/rm on the command line...
[03:49:00] guitar256: i'm getting quite use to command lines thanx :)
[03:49:00] JoshTriplett: Neither have I; I use GNOME but I prefer the command line to the file manager.
[03:53:00] JoshTriplett: Anyone here tried the PVR-350 TV-out?
[03:54:00] guitar256: yes
[03:54:00] guitar256: it and I did not get along very well
[03:54:00] guitar256: but I ended up not connecting my backend to a TV so it's all good
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[03:55:00] guitar256: ok, when I type 'ls -l' i get a bunch of stuff, the first column is permissions then I get two columns of owners(?) or numbers that I assume mean something, --help just calls -l "long listing"
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[03:58:00] patch: Cardoe: You still around?
[03:58:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Define "did not get along very well"?
[03:59:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Type "info coreutils ls" for a more detailed manual.
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[04:01:00] JoshTriplett: Is there an ivtv channel somewhere?
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[04:02:00] hexbox: whats the Phone feature for MythTV for?
[04:03:00] guitar256: JoshTriplett: I don't recall what happened it was during my first myth attempt over a year ago
[04:03:00] guitar256: last i checked #ivtv is around, what problem are you having?
[04:03:00] guitar256: or it's not now, but i guess you know that
[04:04:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: After 5–15 minutes, the output starts having problems; drawing slows way down causing jerkiness.
[04:05:00] guitar256: livetv and recordings?
[04:05:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: And just going through the menus.
[04:07:00] JoshTriplett: 
[04:07:00] guitar256: ivtv has nothing to do with menus
[04:07:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: It does if you're using ivtv-fb and ivtvdev. :)
[04:09:00] ** JoshTriplett just browsed through the menus for a couple of minutes, until the problem started appearing. **
[04:09:00] JoshTriplett: So it happens even if I never touch the video input.
[04:09:00] JoshTriplett: Or try to display to the video output.
[04:09:00] JoshTriplett: (display video I mean.)
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[04:10:00] guitar256: return the 350 and get a 250
[04:10:00] guitar256: save some money and the hassle :)
[04:10:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Gee, thanks so much. :)
[04:11:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: The 350 is what I plan to use for the TV output.
[04:11:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Which is exactly why I bought it instead of the 250.
[04:13:00] JoshTriplett: guitar256: Stuff works just fine up until it starts getting stuttery.
[04:14:00] kristin_: cardoe, thank you for your help. I very much appreciate it
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[04:15:00] guitar256: I wish i could help you, I've no idea
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[04:15:00] patch_p1: anyone know why I get a black screen when running mythtv?
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[04:16:00] hfghfh: have anyone found out the lirc code for the TV-powerbutton on the mce 2005 remote
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[04:17:00] NeoFax: Has anyone been able to get a AverMedia UltraTV 1500 to work?
[04:17:00] hfghfh: by trial and error i have found the blue,red,gren,yellow,teletex,* and # buttons, but the tv-power is still a mystery
[04:17:00] NeoFax: I know it is a blackbird design, but does it work?
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[04:19:00] mchou: I have my doubts if blackbird design works
[04:20:00] JoshTriplett: patch_p1: Are you using a monitor or a TV?
[04:20:00] JoshTriplett: patch_p1: And do you mean you get a black screen when running mythfrontend?
[04:20:00] patch_p1: JoshTriplett: Monitor. Yes that or mythtv.
[04:20:00] patch_p1: It cant connect to the Master server.
[04:20:00] NeoFax: I read about this Pluto distro, but they have spammed alot of lists. I went to their site and they say to just check the v4l2 website as that is all they support
[04:21:00] mchou: NeoFax: there is a driver developed by someone else other than ivtv that reportedly works on blackbird design.....
[04:21:00] JoshTriplett: patch_p1: Ah, now that's some useful information. Is the backend running?
[04:21:00] NeoFax: Yeah, cx88-blackbird
[04:21:00] mchou: yeah, pluto people. Wouldnt trust them too much.
[04:21:00] patch_p1: JoshTriplett: Yes its currently running via commandline and not fro the init script.
[04:22:00] patch_p1: No special reason. Just wanted to run it cli so that I can see what errors it throws out , but it doesnt show any errors.
[04:23:00] patch_p1: only mythfrontend does.
[04:23:00] ** guitar256 has fallen in love with dvd::rip **
[04:23:00] patch_p1: It says it cant connect to the backend.
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[04:24:00] patcher: JoshTriplett: you have any idea?
[04:24:00] guitar256: patcher: run mythtv-setup and ensure that the backend ip is 127.0.0.1
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[04:25:00] patcher: it is I checked numerous times
[04:25:00] NeoFax: mchou: Thanks for the info! I am just going to install it in my win system until the drivers mature a bit.
[04:25:00] guitar256: port?
[04:25:00] patcher: 6543
[04:26:00] guitar256: restart the backend and check the log to see if it throws any errors
[04:27:00] patcher: guitar256: no errors
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[04:29:00] patcher: hmm I accidenly deleted the log
[04:29:00] patcher: can I just create it again?
[04:29:00] guitar256: backend will probably recreate it
[04:29:00] patcher: it hasnt
[04:32:00] guitar256: sorrt, this is as far as my noob help goes, find someone smarter :(
[04:32:00] patcher: hehe np
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[04:34:00] patcher: weird I cant ping 127.0.0.1
[04:35:00] guitar256: well that's somewhere to start :)
[04:36:00] guitar256: setup a static ip, and try pinging that
[04:36:00] patcher: Im currently on dialup. How do you do that?
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[04:39:00] guitar256: k forget the static
[04:39:00] guitar256: ifconfig should tell you what your ip is
[04:39:00] patcher: guitar256: Nevermind thanks I found my problem
[04:39:00] patcher: I want running the net.lo startup script
[04:40:00] xris: guitar256: `ip addr` is sometimes easier to read
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[04:46:00] patcher: how do I configure myhtv to use alsa
[04:46:00] guitar256: good jarod's how-to
[04:47:00] guitar256: googl
[04:47:00] guitar256: google
[04:47:00] Agrajag-: for the audio output device put in "ALSA:default" and for the mixer put in just 'default'
[04:48:00] patcher: Agrajag-: frontend or backend?
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[04:51:00] Agrajag-: frontend
[04:52:00] patcher: without the quotes right?
[04:52:00] Agrajag-: yep without quotes
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[05:14:00] patcher: Im getting an echo using alsa when I change the channel. Is this due to the sampling rate in mythsetup?
[05:14:00] patcher: what should I set it to?
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[05:29:00] patcher: I get a slight repeat when I change the channel
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[05:39:00] NightBird: hm...
[05:39:00] ** NightBird needs to get a knoppix cd that supports ntfs.... at least reading from it... **
[05:40:00] Krazylegz: My Knoppix CDs do.
[05:40:00] Krazylegz: They have for a long time now.
[05:40:00] NightBird: ok then
[05:42:00] Octane: anyone got a catver.ini for xmame .100?
[05:42:00] mike23skiddo: I have the ivtv drivers installed, it creates /dev/video* , but when I cat the /dev/video , I get no data. Any ideas? I have pvr-350, which is working fine, i get data when i cat it, but on the pvr-500, no data, altho the drivers all appear to load correctly. Is this just going to be an issue where the pvr-500 drivers are not yet working?
[05:53:00] Krazylegz: Whoa, lots of television to watch tonight.
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[05:59:00] Fosten: mike23skiddo: what os are you using?
[06:00:00] mike23skiddo: using fedora core 4.
[06:01:00] mike23skiddo: very strange, since the drivers act like they work, and im getting no errors, im just not sure where to begin at troubleshooting this.
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[06:02:00] Fosten: i have pvr-500 working on gentoo
[06:02:00] Fosten: what ivtv version?
[06:02:00] mchou: heh, upgrade my backend proc from a p2–450 to p3–850. proc replacement, nothing else needed.
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[06:02:00] mike23skiddo: 0.3.3k
[06:04:00] Fosten: why not use latest release 0.3.9?
[06:04:00] mike23skiddo: didnt see one at the sourceforge site, guess ill go check that out
[06:04:00] Fosten: http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/ivtv-0.3/
[06:05:00] mchou: dont use that domain anymore, pls
[06:05:00] mchou: www.ivtvdriver.org
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[06:06:00] mchou: or http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ if you prefer
[06:07:00] mike23skiddo: thanks, im gonna try that right now.
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[06:10:00] redfox: mchou, dl.ivtvdriver.org doesn't have the latest version...
[06:11:00] Fosten: thus why i mentioned the old site :-)
[06:11:00] Tanthrix: mike23skiddo: Try the latest driver. I had a problem with that too the other day on my PVR-150MCE. Using the latest driver fixed it.
[06:14:00] mike23skiddo: ahhh that might have done it, at least when I cat the /dev/video1,video2 i get some data
[06:15:00] mike23skiddo: thanks guys.
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[06:19:00] mchou: redfox: sure it does
[06:20:00] mchou: it has svn :)
[06:21:00] Chutt: there is no 0.3.9 driver
[06:22:00] mchou: Chutt: you talking to me?
[06:23:00] Chutt: in general
[06:23:00] defaultro: hi mchou, familiar with fsbo – for sale by owner?
[06:24:00] defaultro: just would like to know if this is a scam, http://www.forsalebyowner.com/
[06:24:00] mchou: defaultro: huh?? what are you referring to? A house?
[06:24:00] defaultro: yep
[06:24:00] defaultro: coz am planning to sell my house next year and i want to do it myself to save money
[06:24:00] mchou: nah, I heard about it, it's mainly legit. YMMV
[06:25:00] defaultro: don't want to go with agents
[06:25:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:25:00] mchou: defaultro: how is the chicago housing market? Hot?
[06:25:00] Chutt: all the fsbo houses i've ever looked at were overpriced
[06:25:00] defaultro: a little
[06:25:00] defaultro: houses are going up
[06:25:00] defaultro: so before it really goes high, I want to buy a new construction
[06:25:00] defaultro: remember the hardwood floor? it's done
[06:25:00] mchou: lol houses have been up fo the last 3 yrs at least :)
[06:26:00] mchou: defaultro: nice. what you decide on? maple?
[06:26:00] defaultro: look at my hardwood, restricted.dyndns.org/room1.jpg
[06:26:00] defaultro: then look at room2.jpg too
[06:26:00] defaultro: we're happy with the results
[06:26:00] defaultro: i hope i can sell it easily
[06:26:00] mchou: hmm, not bad. that's not maple :)
[06:27:00] defaultro: it's maple
[06:27:00] defaultro: it's called natural maple
[06:27:00] mchou: it is?
[06:27:00] defaultro: it's got minerals
[06:27:00] mchou: that's some fubar maple :)
[06:27:00] defaultro: i know
[06:27:00] defaultro: but it looked nice
[06:28:00] defaultro: i won't buy anymore from lumberliquidators
[06:28:00] mchou: you living in that house now? :)
[06:28:00] defaultro: yep
[06:28:00] mchou: cause it looks empty :)
[06:28:00] defaultro: but planning to sell it next year
[06:28:00] defaultro: i don't have much things
[06:28:00] mchou: like your french doors :)
[06:28:00] defaultro: is it an eye catcher?
[06:29:00] Fosten: maybe someone can help me... i am trying to install mythtv, i was able to run mythsetup once, however now when i type either mythsetup or mythfrontend it says "new db connection, total: 1" and won't proceed any further... any ideas?
[06:29:00] mchou: well, it's a bit busy for my tastes :)
[06:29:00] defaultro: do you think, buyers will like it?
[06:29:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:29:00] defaultro: but it's not too bad right?
[06:29:00] mchou: yeah, it's ok.
[06:29:00] defaultro: k
[06:29:00] defaultro: next time, I'll get 3 1/4
[06:30:00] defaultro: not the 2 1/4
[06:30:00] mchou: they should had put a decorative strip around the edge
[06:30:00] defaultro: you were correct with your advice before
[06:30:00] defaultro: decorative strip?
[06:30:00] mchou: defaultro: which was?
[06:30:00] defaultro: not to get the 2 1/4 strips
[06:31:00] defaultro: i remember you were saying it's crap, LOL
[06:31:00] mchou: a decorative strip is like a "picture frame"
[06:31:00] defaultro: where at?
[06:31:00] defaultro: i know what you mean
[06:31:00] defaultro: something like a border
[06:31:00] mchou: yeah, exactly
[06:31:00] defaultro: with different color such as darker wood
[06:32:00] defaultro: to make a contrast
[06:32:00] mchou: adds an extra touch of class
[06:32:00] defaultro: yup
[06:32:00] defaultro: i'll do that next time
[06:32:00] defaultro: can you tell how much new house I can buy?
[06:32:00] defaultro: is there any site that does that?
[06:33:00] fryfrog: i think the general rule of thumb is 3x your yearly income
[06:33:00] defaultro: coz there is a house that we like but i don;t know if my situation will allow me to buy it
[06:33:00] mchou: go to a mortgage broker :)
[06:33:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:33:00] mchou: my friend just bought a house for $2 million
[06:33:00] defaultro: fryfrog, that means, the house i like is too much for me :(
[06:33:00] defaultro: and unfortunately, am the only one working :(
[06:34:00] defaultro: but am also going to use the equity as downpayment
[06:34:00] fryfrog: i make ~$50k and my house is around 150, but my gf works a little too
[06:34:00] defaultro: ok
[06:34:00] fryfrog: payments are around $1100/mo
[06:34:00] defaultro: ok
[06:34:00] defaultro: mine is at $1500/mo currently
[06:34:00] mchou: defaultro: what's a decent 3000 sq. foot house go for in chicago area, nice neighborhood?
[06:34:00] fryfrog: what were you looking at?
[06:34:00] defaultro: i saw $339
[06:35:00] mike23skiddo: nice, my rent is 1800$ a month :(
[06:35:00] defaultro: but using your formula, it's gonna kill me
[06:35:00] mchou: defaultro: sq. ft. ?
[06:35:00] defaultro: am only earning $80k/yr
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[06:35:00] defaultro: 3000 sqft
[06:35:00] mchou: wow, cheap :)
[06:35:00] defaultro: it's a new construction
[06:35:00] fryfrog: there are online morgage calculators, so don't take my word for the 3x thing :)
[06:35:00] defaultro: yep, cheap but nice layout and a good builder
[06:35:00] mchou: $2 mil. easy in Bay area.
[06:36:00] defaultro: i did earlier and max it told me was $276k, OUCH!
[06:36:00] fryfrog: well, i meant to find out how much the payment would be on a 300k loan
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[06:36:00] defaultro: $2m, woah
[06:36:00] fryfrog: prolly ~2500 or so
[06:36:00] defaultro: ok
[06:36:00] fryfrog: unless you can put 20% down?
[06:36:00] fryfrog: or use one of those trixie loans to avoid PMI?
[06:36:00] defaultro: i can only put down $25k from equity
[06:37:00] defaultro: trixie laons?
[06:37:00] defaultro: heloc
[06:37:00] defaultro: 80/10/10 or 80/15/5
[06:37:00] fryfrog: like uh, 80/15/5?
[06:37:00] fryfrog: yeah
[06:37:00] fryfrog: one of those things
[06:37:00] defaultro: that's what i have
[06:37:00] defaultro: currently have
[06:37:00] fryfrog: i dunno anything bout that though
[06:37:00] defaultro: no PMI
[06:37:00] defaultro: i like it
[06:37:00] defaultro: but prime rate is increasing
[06:37:00] fryfrog: i think imma have to get out of my house in about 2 years, but i won't cry cause i hate it :)
[06:38:00] defaultro: k
[06:38:00] mchou: mortgage it not tied to the prime rate
[06:38:00] mchou: is*
[06:38:00] defaultro: HELOC is
[06:38:00] defaultro: i have 2 mortgage
[06:38:00] defaultro: main is not tied to it
[06:38:00] defaultro: my rate is prime rate + 1
[06:38:00] mchou: sigh....
[06:38:00] defaultro: so if prime rate is 7, my rate is 8
[06:38:00] defaultro: ouch
[06:39:00] mchou: that sux
[06:39:00] defaultro: it was down 4 when i got it
[06:39:00] mchou: sigh.....
[06:39:00] mchou: when will ppl learn :)
[06:39:00] defaultro: hehehe
[06:39:00] defaultro: btw, did you see channel 7
[06:39:00] defaultro: invasion?
[06:39:00] mchou: nope
[06:39:00] defaultro: it's a bit cool
[06:39:00] mchou: is it any good?
[06:40:00] defaultro: looks like
[06:40:00] mchou: watch House from last night?
[06:40:00] defaultro: nope
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[06:40:00] mchou: it turned into ER :)
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[06:40:00] defaultro: I set priority to inxs
[06:40:00] defaultro: I watch the band
[06:40:00] defaultro: JD fortune is now the new lead singer of INXS
[06:41:00] fryfrog: i skipped Invasion to take a nap :)
[06:41:00] defaultro: try watching invasion next week, wednesday, 9pm
[06:41:00] defaultro: :D
[06:41:00] defaultro: what do you think about it? it's cool right
[06:41:00] fryfrog: i need to get my downstairs computer recording :/
[06:41:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:41:00] fryfrog: i didn't catch it :)
[06:42:00] defaultro: then i continued even if it already ended, continued to watch news. Damn, this RITA
[06:42:00] defaultro: it's now CAT5
[06:42:00] defaultro: stronger than Katrina
[06:42:00] fryfrog: what?
[06:42:00] fryfrog: oh
[06:42:00] defaultro: that's not good
[06:42:00] defaultro: it's gonna hit texas
[06:42:00] mchou: defaultro: you catch the LAX plane landing?
[06:42:00] defaultro: oh yeah
[06:43:00] defaultro: did someone die?
[06:43:00] mchou: that was drama! :)
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[06:43:00] defaultro: i hope no one was hurt
[06:43:00] mchou: shit, I'd died of a heart attack if I were a passenger
[06:43:00] defaultro: yup
[06:44:00] mchou: shat in my pants
[06:44:00] defaultro: prolly, the pilot was calming down passengers
[06:44:00] defaultro: Don't worry eveyrone, we just lost all our tires
[06:44:00] defaultro: we are currently experiencing metal friction
[06:45:00] defaultro: btw, 0.18.1 mythtv never got changed
[06:45:00] fryfrog: LAX the tv show or something for real?
[06:45:00] mchou: fryfrog: where you been today? :)
[06:45:00] defaultro: is there anything going on with myythv?
[06:45:00] defaultro: i haven't upgraded mine for 3 months now
[06:45:00] mchou: fryfrog: not the TV show
[06:46:00] defaultro: any cool features that I'm missing?
[06:46:00] mchou: no upgrade is a good thing :)
[06:46:00] fryfrog: i sleep all day :(
[06:46:00] defaultro: :)
[06:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: better turn on the news then
[06:47:00] xris: man, I so miss transactions when dealing with mythtv
[06:47:00] mchou: cause you will see that plane landing clip
[06:48:00] xris: wait. transaction worked.
[06:48:00] xris: or not
[06:49:00] xris: just didn't print the warning to the console.
[06:49:00] defaultro: mchou, are you good in cars?
[06:51:00] xris: w00t. mythrename.pl works
[06:51:00] defaultro: what does that do xris?
[06:52:00] xris: it's like mythlink, but actually renames the files now that svn supports it.
[06:52:00] defaultro: ok
[06:53:00] defaultro: aight guys, am taking off
[06:53:00] defaultro: have a great night everyone
[06:55:00] laga: re
[06:55:00] laga: svn supports file renaming? great news!
[06:56:00] xris: laga: yes. and uses .mpg for mpeg files
[06:56:00] laga: \o/
[06:57:00] xris: wow, I've seriously f'd up my recordings directory now
[06:58:00] laga: hehehe
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[07:07:00] xris: ok, repaired that, and now it seems to be working better.
[07:07:00] fryfrog: er, svn as in the cvs tool?
[07:07:00] fryfrog: i mean, similar to cvs?
[07:09:00] xris: svn as in subversion, yes... as in the development version of mythtv that used to be called cvs
[07:11:00] fryfrog: ohhhhh
[07:11:00] fryfrog: you mean the svn/cvs version of mythtv
[07:11:00] fryfrog: i thought you meant svn itself :)
[07:11:00] xris: no
[07:12:00] fryfrog: though i think one of svn's benefits is being able to rename files/dirs w/o losing their history
[07:12:00] fryfrog: which is an annoying cvs problem
[07:13:00] xris: most people agree
[07:13:00] xris: managing symlinks is another.
[07:13:00] xris: and file copies/renames/moves/etc
[07:13:00] xris: ok, mythlink.pl is gone.
[07:13:00] xris: sucks for the people who used it. heh.
[07:13:00] xris: well, not really. functionality is still in mythrename.pl
[07:13:00] fryfrog: how stable is svn mythtv?
[07:13:00] xris: but now you can rename the files themselves.
[07:14:00] xris: decently so. don't think any worse than .18
[07:14:00] fryfrog: i see
[07:14:00] mchou: defaultro: nope, dont know jack about cars
[07:15:00] fryfrog: is there some develpment goal for the next myth release?
[07:15:00] xris: bunch of core api rewrites, I think. not really sure, though.
[07:16:00] xris: I'd like to rewrite mythweb, but that won't be happening too quickly.
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[07:18:00] fryfrog: mythweb has been stable on my new backend, i'm happy with it :)
[07:18:00] xris: yeah. but the code sucks.
[07:18:00] xris: even my part of it.
[07:18:00] fryfrog: i've not had any thumb generation or delete screw ups at all
[07:19:00] xris: that's cool
[07:19:00] xris: that stuff is all fixed in svn, though (thankfully, finally)
[07:19:00] fryfrog: oh, is that so?
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[07:20:00] xris: yeah
[07:20:00] mike23skiddo: anyone ever had just a completely pink screen coming from a pvr-150/ pvr-500 card?
[07:20:00] fryfrog: humm, i might have to check out svn version
[07:21:00] xris: mike23skiddo: not from a pvr, no.. have a partial pink screen with ati radeon drivers and HD content, though (driver bug)
[07:22:00] xris: fryfrog: imho the .mpg bit is worth the upgrade. heh.
[07:22:00] mike23skiddo: roger. im using the pvr-350 tvout, it displays fine with the pvr-350 capture, but displaying the pvr-500 (either tuner) results in a completely red/pink screen.
[07:23:00] fryfrog: does myth cvs still exist? or is it all svn?
[07:24:00] xris: mike23skiddo: weird
[07:24:00] xris: could be a config issue with the 350... like X not knowing what to do with the main display
[07:24:00] xris: all svn
[07:25:00] mike23skiddo: i just checked that, i cat /dev/video1 (the pvr-500) to a file, transfered that to my mac box, and mplayer shows the recorded file is just a big pink screen
[07:25:00] mike23skiddo: so, its def. not just a display issue, its something with the pvr-500 that i have wrong.
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[07:26:00] xris: weird
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[07:26:00] xris: that's a #ivtv-devel problem, then.. (or more likely the mailing list)
[07:26:00] Fosten: mike23skiddo: i have video and audio working on video0, but a frozen picture on video1
[07:27:00] mike23skiddo: im gonna muck with it, i used the drivers of the pvr-500 disk for the .bin files in /lib/modules, so im gonna try updating those to whatever hauppauge has on the web i guess...see if i can figure out anything from there
[07:28:00] xris: mike23skiddo: I think there are also issues with running 500 and [23]50 at the same time.. needs special config to get both working
[07:28:00] fryfrog: mike23skiddo: what version of ivtv, did you say?
[07:29:00] mike23skiddo: now im using 3.8
[07:29:00] mike23skiddo: well, 0.3.8
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[07:30:00] sphery: xris: I saw your change to mythlink.pl today. I have a question about it, though...
[07:31:00] xris: sphery: no more mythlink.pl
[07:31:00] xris: I just deleted it.
[07:31:00] sphery: I saw the one you just put in for mythrename
[07:31:00] fryfrog: anyone ever record hdtv over svideo with a pvr250 type card?
[07:31:00] xris: yes
[07:31:00] sphery: But didn'r realize you deleted mythlink.
[07:32:00] xris: fryfrog: svideo is not hdtv
[07:32:00] xris: mythrename takes its place (via --link)
[07:32:00] sphery: OK.
[07:32:00] sphery: But, the original question may still apply...
[07:32:00] xris: no more need for link in svn myth, though
[07:32:00] sphery: One sec. Gotta look at mythrename
[07:33:00] xris: it's the same as mythlink as far as the parameters go... just adds file renaming on top of linking
[07:33:00] sphery: OK. I'll still use the link functionality (because I like multiple views sorted using different fields).
[07:33:00] fryfrog: xris: yeah, i know its not hdtv when it comes in over svideo... but it starts out as hdtv :)
[07:34:00] sphery: But, my question was regarding the approach you took for finding the files.
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[07:34:00] sphery: I had posted a patch ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/334 ) that took the approach I thought you recommended I take based on discussion on the list Sep 13...
[07:34:00] fryfrog: what was the name of that new hdtv card you were telling me about the other day?
[07:34:00] xris: yeah. but it's likely no better than a good digital signal.
[07:34:00] Chutt: so.
[07:34:00] sphery: I got all the basenames from the database and only created a link if the file existed.
[07:34:00] xris: sphery: except that there is no "new filename format"
[07:35:00] fryfrog: the only real reason i ask is because i have a lame comcast box that only sends me 2 HD channels over firewire :/
[07:35:00] xris: just a default format. filenames can be anything.
[07:35:00] xris: fryfrog: that is lame.
[07:35:00] xris: anyway, it's likely similar to my non-HD dishnetwork box...
[07:35:00] Chutt: well, the format's not user-overrideable
[07:35:00] xris: good signal, imho
[07:35:00] Chutt: so i doubt most people will be changing things
[07:35:00] xris: Chutt: not automatically, anyway.
[07:35:00] fryfrog: cool, guess i just gotta sit down and get it working
[07:35:00] xris: mythrename.pl works around that.
[07:35:00] fryfrog: at least it can change the channel via firewire
[07:35:00] sphery: Right, we don't have to use any particular format, but anyway...
[07:36:00] sphery: When you get the files from the video_dir, you're ignoring subdirectories...
[07:36:00] fryfrog: what are some of the decently supported hdtv cards for linux/myth?
[07:36:00] fryfrog: air2pc?
[07:36:00] sphery: I still like the idea of putting files in subdirectories that are NFS mounts to my extra gigs on other systems in my house...
[07:36:00] xris: since when are there subdirectories?
[07:36:00] sphery: There's no "new filename format."
[07:37:00] sphery: User's can put in any filename--which could contain subdirectories...
[07:37:00] sphery: Your approach won't handle that.
[07:37:00] xris: ah
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[07:37:00] sphery: The approach I took simplified things a lot because it wasn't using the filenames on disk.
[07:38:00] xris: your way doesn't maintain backwards compatibility.
[07:38:00] sphery: It should be simple enough to use the basenames from db and link if file exists approach with the changes you've made, but I'd really like to see that.
[07:38:00] sphery: True.
[07:38:00] sphery: But, do we need backwards compatibility?
[07:38:00] Chutt: what's backwards compatability?
[07:38:00] xris: dunno
[07:38:00] Chutt: strange words i see on my screen
[07:38:00] fryfrog: windows 3.1 programs running on windows 2000 :)
[07:38:00] sphery: If they get mythrename.pl from current SVN, they should be installing current SVN---which doesn't need backwards compatibililty...
[07:38:00] xris: but yes, with no backwards compatibility worries, I'd have done something like you did
[07:39:00] sphery: I vote for no backwards compatibility...
[07:39:00] xris: (I'll admit that I also used this code in nuvexport, which does need to maintain compat with .18)
[07:39:00] sphery: I can see maintaining it in nuvexport, but I'd appreciate the ability to do more with mythrename.pl
[07:40:00] xris: yes, I see
[07:40:00] xris: but moving into nfs-hosted subdirs... doesn't that require changing the hostname in the db, too>
[07:40:00] sphery: I also don't know how much the subdirectory idea will get in the way of the whole rename part of the script...
[07:40:00] sphery: Haven't looked at that, yet.
[07:40:00] sphery: No.
[07:40:00] xris: would need to use File::Copy's move() if you want to rename across disks
[07:40:00] sphery: Create an NFS mount point as a subdir of the video_dir.
[07:41:00] xris: sphery: oh.. so not a separate backend, just a separate disk
[07:41:00] sphery: Yes.
[07:41:00] sphery: Separate disk without having to use LVM/RAID.
[07:41:00] xris: won't work, anyway... / is listed as an invalid character at the moment (I know, easy to fix)
[07:41:00] sphery: Can use spare gigs on some of the other 7 computers in my house.
[07:42:00] xris: but that does make sense
[07:42:00] sphery: I don't need the mythrename to rename to subdirs--I'm happy doing it manually--but I would like to do the links with subdirs...
[07:42:00] xris: Chutt: any idea if putting a dir/file name into basename would do anything weird?
[07:42:00] Chutt: it shouldn't
[07:43:00] Chutt: there may be a few places where it looks for the last / in a file
[07:43:00] Chutt: but those shouldn't be hard to find
[07:43:00] dopester: made my dev box smoke when i did that..
[07:43:00] xris: sphery: I agree that it's a cool idea, but it would take quite a bit more coding to check for the subdir(s) and not include them in the format pattern, etc.
[07:44:00] dopester: ive always wanted that myself :)
[07:44:00] sphery: But the basename contains the /, not the link name...
[07:44:00] xris: sphery: what link?
[07:45:00] xris: there are no more links
[07:45:00] xris: (well, that's the goal)
[07:45:00] xris: I'm not going to write it so that only the symlink creator honors subdirs.
[07:46:00] xris: it's all or nothing.
[07:46:00] sphery: Well, for me having a bunch of ugly named stuff in video_dir is no prob--because there's a bunch of other junk there I don't want to see when picking files to copy (pngs, and in my case, dirs for MythVideo, MythMusic, etc.).
[07:46:00] sphery: I want a "clean" view of my recordings--which I've been doing with mythlink.pl
[07:47:00] sphery: Which I plan to continue doing with mythrename.pl --link
[07:47:00] xris: yes,
[07:47:00] xris: just saying that if you're going to go to the effort to deal with subdirs, might as well go all the way.
[07:48:00] sphery: So, if I'm just creating the links, the only name with subdirs is the basename, and the link name is not affected.
[07:48:00] sphery: I totally understand not wanting to implement it for renaming--that would be a much more complex problem....
[07:48:00] xris: yes
[07:48:00] xris: actually, it's not.
[07:48:00] xris: which is why I'd rather do all or none
[07:49:00] xris: as for just extracting basename from the db instead of guessing... that's not a big deal.
[07:49:00] sphery: If we did that, I'd still be able to do subdirs and links
[07:50:00] xris: yes
[07:50:00] sphery: and, eventually--when I get done with a few weeks of business travel--I could probably work on doing the rename support for subdirs...
[07:50:00] xris: but your thing is definitely a quick fix
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[07:51:00] sphery: Still haven't checked to see how it would affect the rest of Myth, but I'm hoping that Chutt's guess that it should work is right...
[07:52:00] sphery: I can continue using my patched version of mythlink.pl if you don't want to make the changes to mythrename.pl
[07:52:00] sphery: But, I wanted to see where you were going with the changes...
[07:52:00] xris: don't mind making the changes (esp. with Chutt giving me such a hard time about it)
[07:52:00] xris: and I hadn't seen your changes in trac
[07:52:00] sphery: hehe
[07:53:00] xris: (started playing with mythlink to undo your last set of file rename changes yesterday that screwed up the pattern stuff)
[07:53:00] xris: was a regex nightmare
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[07:54:00] sphery: Yeah.
[07:55:00] xris: anyway, I'll see if I can get it upgraded
[07:55:00] sphery: I had planned to go back to look at that to try to work your positive lookahead back in, but ended up with a last minute 3-weeks of travel, so I haven't had a chance...
[07:55:00] sphery: Guess I should have changed the title of my ticket (I wrote it after gigem's "new filename format" change, but before Isaac's "proper extension patch")--so basing the title of my ticket on gigem's commit wording seemed to confuse the issue...
[07:55:00] sphery: Since there no "new filename format"
[07:55:00] sphery: :)
[07:56:00] Fosten: maybe someone can help me... i am trying to install mythtv, i was able to run mythsetup once, however now when i type either mythsetup or mythfrontend it says "new db connection, total: 1" and won't proceed any further... any ideas?
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[07:59:00] xris: well, that and I don't check trac for much other than mythweb stuff (and rarely for that)
[07:59:00] sphery: Oh.
[08:00:00] Chutt: hrm
[08:00:00] Chutt: $40 to upgrade my x50v to windows mobile 5
[08:01:00] xris: sphery: hang on, will commit something for you shortly
[08:01:00] xris: trying to track down a really weird warning
[08:08:00] xris: sphery: ok, committed
[08:08:00] sphery: updating...
[08:08:00] xris: Chutt: hmm, I think the svn->trac commit hook doesn't catch "closes"
[08:09:00] xris: guess I bug them about that later.
[08:09:00] xris: I need a shower now, and then head to sleep.
[08:09:00] Chutt: i'm pretty sure it does
[08:10:00] xris: odd. it didn't work with my latest commit
[08:10:00] Chutt: yes it did
[08:10:00] xris: I did that manually
[08:10:00] Chutt: no
[08:10:00] Chutt: look at the timeline
[08:11:00] Chutt: you typoed the bug report
[08:11:00] xris: oh, crap
[08:11:00] xris: now I *know* I need to go to sleep
[08:11:00] Chutt: hrmph
[08:11:00] Chutt: i forget my password for my dell account
[08:12:00] xris: do you have pre-revprop hook enabled to edit log messages?
[08:12:00] Chutt: don't think so
[08:13:00] xris: oh well
[08:14:00] Chutt: no big deal
[08:14:00] xris: yup
[08:15:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I told you that the checkin worked fine right?
[08:15:00] Cardoe: I have r7284
[08:16:00] xris: ok, 'night all...
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[08:16:00] Chutt: yeah, i saw
[08:17:00] Chutt: thanks for testing
[08:17:00] Cardoe: Gonna be compiling it on this Genesi/Pegasos system crammed in my Aria
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[08:17:00] Cardoe: but you already have ppc don't ya?
[08:18:00] Chutt: nope
[08:18:00] Cardoe: oh
[08:19:00] Cardoe: well then I'll have that mess to test for you then
[08:19:00] Chutt: that's cool.
[08:19:00] Chutt: it seems like the largest chunk of channel change time is waiting on the ivtv driver to start spitting out data
[08:20:00] Chutt: but those changes i made halved it for me
[08:21:00] Chutt: ah well
[08:21:00] Chutt: i'm going to rip live-tv apart pretty damn shortly, anyway
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[09:23:00] JoshTriplett: No more choppiness after a while.
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[09:23:00] JoshTriplett: acpi=off works wonders.
[09:24:00] ** JoshTriplett is loving MythTV. **
[09:26:00] JoshTriplett: Awesome: it even fixed the purple/green problem I was having with Xv! I can play MPEG4 video just fine, perfectly smooth.
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[11:03:00] hexbox: hi, i'm getting this error
[11:03:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[11:03:00] hexbox: i'm trying to set up mysql
[11:03:00] hexbox: mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('[censored]) WHERE user='root';
[11:04:00] hexbox: thats the command i did earlier
[11:04:00] hexbox: and im trying to run this:
[11:04:00] hexbox: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql
[11:04:00] Agrajag-: you should create a different user for the myth db
[11:05:00] hexbox: what do you mean
[11:05:00] Agrajag-: are you even following the docs?
[11:05:00] hexbox: im following the docs for FC4
[11:05:00] hexbox: which was off of mythtv.org
[11:05:00] hexbox: im copying and pasting each command line (editing those i need to edit, such as password)
[11:06:00] Agrajag-: if you're following the docs, why are you deciding to run your own commands instead of the ones in the docs?
[11:06:00] Agrajag-: where?
[11:06:00] hexbox: sigh...
[11:06:00] hexbox: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/printer-friend . . . closed#video
[11:06:00] hexbox: Section 12
[11:06:00] hexbox: "Set up MySQL"
[11:06:00] Agrajag-: ah right ok
[11:07:00] Agrajag-: well you're meant to use the mythtv user/pass
[11:07:00] hexbox: # mysql -u root mysql
[11:07:00] hexbox: mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='root';
[11:07:00] hexbox: mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[11:07:00] hexbox: mysql> quit
[11:07:00] hexbox: thats the last thing i did
[11:07:00] hexbox: that went off without a hitch
[11:07:00] hexbox: then when i went to do this:
[11:07:00] hexbox: $ mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql
[11:07:00] hexbox: (enter the password you just set above when prompted)
[11:07:00] Agrajag-: ok.. run mythtv-setup and wherever it is that iasks you for the db info, put in mythtv/mythtv
[11:08:00] hexbox: it can't connect to the db
[11:08:00] hexbox: i did what you said, it exited and spit out this:
[11:08:00] hexbox: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[11:08:00] hexbox: 2005-09–22 02:08:34.352 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[11:09:00] Agrajag-: did this step: $ mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql work?
[11:09:00] hexbox: no
[11:09:00] hexbox: it spit out this:
[11:09:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[11:09:00] hexbox: and im using the same pw that i did in.. mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='root';
[11:09:00] hexbox: of course i changed ROOT_PWD to the password
[11:09:00] Agrajag-: oh right i thought you were saying mythtv-setup was giving you that
[11:09:00] Agrajag-: ok
[11:10:00] Agrajag-: can you connect to your mysql db normally?
[11:10:00] Agrajag-: as in just mysql -u root mysql
[11:10:00] hexbox: same error
[11:10:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[11:11:00] Agrajag-: hmm i think you typed your password wrong somewhere
[11:11:00] hexbox: sigh...
[11:11:00] hexbox: anyway to clear the pw
[11:11:00] hexbox: or anything :s
[11:12:00] Agrajag-: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html
[11:13:00] Agrajag-: so basically just stop mysql, put this in a file: "SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword');" and start mysql with --init-file=~/whereveryouputthat
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[11:18:00] hexbox: agrajag-: [root@dhcppc0 /]# Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
[11:18:00] hexbox: STOPPING server from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
[11:18:00] hexbox: 050922 02:18:14 mysqld ended
[11:18:00] hexbox: its not doing anything at this point
[11:18:00] hexbox: is this normal?
[11:20:00] hexbox: its not working..
[11:21:00] Agrajag-: kill mysql
[11:21:00] Agrajag-: and start it manually with that command, then kill it, then start it the normal way (however fedora does things, i dunno)
[11:24:00] hexbox: sigh...
[11:25:00] hexbox: [root@dhcppc0 mythtv]# mysql -u root mysql
[11:25:00] hexbox: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)
[11:26:00] hexbox: can't i just uninstall and reinstall?
[11:26:00] hexbox: mysql that is
[11:26:00] hexbox: i dont want to reinstall the distro
[11:27:00] Twiun: hang on ;-)
[11:27:00] Twiun: you probably don't need to even reinstall
[11:27:00] hexbox: thanks
[11:27:00] hexbox: :)
[11:27:00] Twiun: how did you originally install mysql?
[11:27:00] hexbox: fedora installed it for me
[11:28:00] Twiun: ok, that's good
[11:28:00] hexbox: so.. off the CD
[11:28:00] hexbox: or CDs, rather
[11:28:00] Twiun: your initial issue was that for some reason root@localhost hadn't been added to the perms
[11:28:00] Twiun: lemme find the page that I used to solve this before
[11:28:00] hexbox: hmm
[11:28:00] hexbox: thanks i appreciate it :)
[11:30:00] Twiun: when using "service mysqld start" do you get any error messages?
[11:31:00] hexbox: root@dhcppc0 mysqld]# service mysqld start
[11:31:00] hexbox: bash: service: command not found
[11:31:00] Twiun: which version of fedora core?
[11:31:00] hexbox: 4
[11:32:00] ** Twiun scratches his head **
[11:32:00] hexbox: :(
[11:33:00] Twiun: that's bizarre – 'service' is the standard RH way to control services
[11:33:00] hexbox: hmm
[11:37:00] hexbox: would uninstalling and reinstall mysql work?
[11:37:00] hexbox: using add/remove programs?
[11:37:00] Twiun: you can give it a go – do it for both mysql-server and the mysql-client packages
[11:38:00] hexbox: i tried uninstalling
[11:38:00] Twiun: dunno how that could possibly affect the service command though
[11:38:00] hexbox: and it says some dependencies couldn't b e found on my system
[11:38:00] hexbox: and i got to install some crap to uninstall mysql
[11:38:00] hexbox: lol
[11:39:00] Twiun: maybe yum's not installed... what does yum --version say?
[11:39:00] hexbox: 2.4.0
[11:40:00] Twiun: ok – let's do it using yum then ;-)
[11:40:00] hexbox: i did yum remove mysql
[11:40:00] hexbox: and i guess its going to remove all the myth stuff :s
[11:41:00] Twiun: I suppose that's a distinct possibility
[11:41:00] Twiun: perhaps yum has a reinstall option
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[11:43:00] Twiun: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/fedoraguide/#installmysql looks generally useful
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[11:43:00] Twiun: (still uses service though – I'm wondering if something's missing from your install)
[11:45:00] hexbox: bahh
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[11:45:00] hexbox: [root@dhcppc0 mysqld]# mysql -u root mysql
[11:45:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[11:46:00] Twiun: ok, is there anything in the mysql error log?
[11:47:00] hexbox: how would i check
[11:47:00] hexbox: other than what i just pasted
[11:47:00] Twiun: it's usually in /var/log/
[11:48:00] hexbox: which one would it be
[11:48:00] hexbox: mysqld.log?
[11:48:00] hexbox: mysqld.log.rpmsave?
[11:49:00] Twiun: the plain .log
[11:49:00] Fosten: hi, i just got mythtv working with a pvr-500 and wanted to do a dance of joy in the #mythtv-users room... thanks KaZeR for all your help!
[11:49:00] Twiun: hexbox: tail -f mysqld.log
[11:49:00] hexbox: A mysqld process already exists at Thu Sep 22 02:45:20 PDT 2005
[11:50:00] hexbox: dont rub it in fosten
[11:50:00] KaZeR: Fosten, my pleasure :) mythtv kicks asses :)
[11:51:00] Twiun: hexbox: could you try "mysql -u root -p mysql" ?
[11:51:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[11:53:00] ** Twiun keeps googling **
[11:53:00] hexbox: doing the same myself :s
[11:53:00] Twiun: reading: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/access-denied.html
[11:56:00] hexbox: where am i supposed to look
[11:56:00] hexbox: none of those errors suit my problems
[11:56:00] hexbox: none of those errors suit my problem**
[11:58:00] Twiun: well, I'm assuming that mysql's root password's been set – there's instructions on that page for resetting it – there's also some instructions here for installing the db (essentially resetting it) here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#MySQL
[11:58:00] Twiun: "If you receive the following error:
[11:58:00] Twiun: ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[11:58:00] Twiun: then check group mysqladmin. The user root must be a member of this group." looks promising
[11:58:00] hexbox: how do i check that
[11:59:00] Twiun: my biggest drawbag is that I don't have a fc4 system to hand
[11:59:00] hexbox: im noobish
[11:59:00] Twiun: err drawback
[11:59:00] hexbox: dont think there is a mysqladmin group
[11:59:00] hexbox: just a mythtv group
[12:00:00] Twiun: yeah, checking my current box I think that may be a gentoo-ism
[12:01:00] ehaase: i'm installing a gentoo system to use mythtv... is there a recommended kernel to compile for this purpose?
[12:01:00] Twiun: hexbox: ok, shut down mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql stop)
[12:01:00] Twiun: hexbox: and try the mysql_install_db command
[12:02:00] Twiun: ehaase: I'm not sure – afaik which kernel depends on the kind of hardware you plan on using – look at the various gentoo-mythtv howtos
[12:03:00] hexbox: done
[12:03:00] hexbox: i think?
[12:03:00] Twiun: let's hope
[12:03:00] Twiun: start it up again and try logging in
[12:03:00] hexbox: same thing except start?
[12:04:00] Twiun: aye
[12:04:00] hexbox: same thing :(
[12:04:00] hexbox: its the password
[12:05:00] Twiun: ok, use the mysqladmin command to set it
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[12:05:00] hexbox: what command would that be
[12:06:00] ehaase: i'm planning on using the gentoo-sources kernel, how do i know if this kernel contains the LIRC patches?
[12:07:00] hexbox: there diff. options
[12:08:00] Twiun: hexbox: ok, hopefully this page will be the most useful
[12:08:00] Twiun: hexbox: http://grid.ucy.ac.cy/egee/sa1/reset-mySQLpasswd.html
[12:08:00] Twiun: ehaase: no idea – might need to get some gentoo help for that
[12:10:00] hexbox: [root@dhcppc0 mysqld]# mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables &
[12:10:00] hexbox: [2] 2166
[12:10:00] hexbox: [root@dhcppc0 mysqld]# Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
[12:11:00] hexbox: and theres a cursor below it
[12:11:00] hexbox: not doing anything
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[12:11:00] Twiun: that's ok
[12:12:00] Twiun: hit ctrl-z to suspend the process
[12:12:00] Twiun: and then bg to background it
[12:12:00] Twiun: d'oh, sorry
[12:12:00] Twiun: ignore that – it's already done
[12:12:00] Twiun: just press enter :)
[12:12:00] Twiun: mysqld's output just pushed your cursor to the next line
[12:13:00] hexbox: jesus christ
[12:13:00] hexbox: bout fscking time
[12:13:00] hexbox: lo
[12:13:00] hexbox: lol
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[12:16:00] hexbox: one problem
[12:16:00] hexbox: ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 1: Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'
[12:16:00] hexbox: when doing this:
[12:16:00] hexbox: mysql -u mythtv -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql
[12:17:00] Twiun: I think I saw something about that while googling
[12:20:00] Twiun: don't think the mythtv user has been created
[12:20:00] hexbox: im on mythtv user
[12:20:00] Twiun: in the db I meant
[12:21:00] hexbox: hmm
[12:21:00] hexbox: how would i do that
[12:21:00] Twiun: "mysql -u root mysql"
[12:22:00] Twiun: "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='mythtv';"
[12:22:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[12:22:00] hexbox: and i did that
[12:22:00] hexbox: as mythtv
[12:22:00] hexbox: replacing mysql -u mythtv mysql
[12:22:00] Twiun: that won't work if mythtv doesn't exist
[12:23:00] Twiun: gotta create it by logging in as root first
[12:23:00] Twiun: and as you reset the root password before, you'll have to specify it
[12:23:00] Twiun: so mysql -u root -p mysql
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[12:25:00] hexbox: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[12:26:00] ** Twiun tears out the few remaining hairs **
[12:27:00] hexbox: should i just reinstall :(
[12:27:00] hexbox: what a pain in the ass thats going to e
[12:27:00] hexbox: be
[12:28:00] Twiun: are there that many dependencies on mysql?
[12:28:00] hexbox: dont know
[12:28:00] hexbox: im the noob
[12:28:00] hexbox: :p
[12:28:00] hexbox: you're the guy with gentoo installed :s
[12:28:00] Twiun: hah!
[12:29:00] Twiun: nope, I just pulled a gentoo page with mysql info ;)
[12:29:00] Twiun: I have debian and no mythtv yet
[12:29:00] hexbox: im just going to reinstall
[12:29:00] hexbox: thanks anyways for your help
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[12:37:00] fryfrog: whelp, here goes my try at myth svn :)
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[12:57:00] hunkyspunky: hello..
[12:57:00] hunkyspunky: is this program really good.. for excellent capture video and audio from tv?
[12:58:00] fryfrog: depends on what you are after
[12:58:00] fryfrog: but the best comparison is tivo
[12:58:00] fryfrog: replay tv, etc
[12:59:00] hunkyspunky: i just want to record off of tv from a cptrue card installed on my computer
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[12:59:00] hunkyspunky: so is there also a guide in it?
[12:59:00] hunkyspunky: does it work good?
[12:59:00] fryfrog: there are lots of guides and yes, it works quite nicely
[13:00:00] fryfrog: do you want to record shows constantly, like tivo does?
[13:00:00] fryfrog: or do you just want to record one thing?
[13:01:00] hunkyspunky: from time to time i record different things like movies off of comp.
[13:02:00] hunkyspunky: i use it for dvd quality capture for my dvd collection... i got a angel dual tv tuner card in my comp. now willl that work with it?
[13:03:00] hunkyspunky: will the guide also work if i hook it up to a reciever? satilite?
[13:03:00] fryfrog: er, why don't you just rip your dvds with a dvd ripper?
[13:03:00] fryfrog: no idea on the "angel dual tv tuner card"
[13:03:00] fryfrog: and yeah, you can capture your satalite, assuming you can get the picture to your cap card and give it some way of changing channels
[13:04:00] hunkyspunky: okay a dvd ripper? i taking off of tv and putting on comp.
[13:06:00] hunkyspunky: i guess i'll have to ry it out..
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[13:06:00] hunkyspunky: it looks good thanks.
[13:06:00] fryfrog: oh, you mean record MOVIES from sat/cable/etc
[13:06:00] hunkyspunky: i heard about it ona froums site!
[13:07:00] fryfrog: not your DVD collection
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[13:07:00] hunkyspunky: cool that my sceince experiment later.
[13:07:00] hunkyspunky: thanks.
[13:07:00] hunkyspunky: "oh, you mean record MOVIES from sat/cable/etc" yes thats what i mean.
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[13:08:00] fryfrog: well, they sure as hell won't be dvd quality :)
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[13:10:00] hunkyspunky: why?
[13:11:00] hunkyspunky: i used windows movie maker.. to get my dvd quality movies
[13:12:00] fryfrog: because movies on tv are not broadcast at dvd quality
[13:13:00] fryfrog: except maybe if you are getting HDTV or something
[13:13:00] hunkyspunky: i got sat.. hifgh quality..
[13:13:00] PatrickDK: sat isn't any higher quality
[13:14:00] hunkyspunky: okay thanks agin gott go .. tell yuo guys hwo i mande out.
[13:14:00] hunkyspunky: i try it an dsee if its good... i might donate a litlle..
[13:14:00] hunkyspunky: cause it does look like took some time later.
[13:14:00] fryfrog: shit, all you want is dvd quality movies... download em from newsgroups or bittorrent, ripping from tv is slow and crappy quality compared
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[13:16:00] fryfrog: weird :)
[13:19:00] sandos: indeed
[13:20:00] sandos: or buy them, even ;)
[13:20:00] PatrickDK: how could someone do that?
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[13:21:00] sandos: buying dvd quality movies?
[13:24:00] PatrickDK: ya :)
[13:25:00] PatrickDK: heh, that would involve someone working to produce around $30, and then going to the local video store
[13:25:00] PatrickDK: hard work
[13:25:00] PatrickDK: and then, alot of movies are only recorded at 4 or 5mbit :(
[13:25:00] PatrickDK: so they can fit all their extra's on the dvd :(
[13:28:00] fryfrog: 4 or 5mbit, thats absurd!
[13:29:00] PatrickDK: heh, I have seen many
[13:29:00] fryfrog: i don't know why most of them even bother with extras, they just throw in such crap
[13:29:00] fryfrog: i just rip the movie itself unless by some miracle its already 4G
[13:29:00] fryfrog: also, mythweb-svn looks nice!
[13:30:00] PatrickDK: hmm, a 4gig movie, 2 hours long, would be 4mbit
[13:30:00] fryfrog: well, 4.8G
[13:31:00] fryfrog: what ever a dvd-r is
[13:31:00] PatrickDK: 4.3
[13:31:00] fryfrog: ah yes, i forgot about the ol' marketing rip off rule :)
[13:31:00] PatrickDK: that gives you just under 5mbit
[13:31:00] PatrickDK: assuming your using halfway descent audio
[13:32:00] PatrickDK: 5333kbit total
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[13:32:00] fryfrog: i can't tell the diff between a rip and an original, assuming the rip didn't actually *really* screw anything up
[13:34:00] PatrickDK: I hope you can't tell the difference, cause there isn't any differnce
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[13:35:00] fryfrog: i mean, even with compression
[13:35:00] fryfrog: for say, an 8G movie down to 4G
[13:35:00] syle: you guys rip on perfect or ISO?
[13:35:00] PatrickDK: perfect
[13:35:00] fryfrog: i don't use myth to rip
[13:36:00] syle: to bad, even trained the wife to do it lol
[13:36:00] fryfrog: ahah
[13:36:00] PatrickDK: ya, mine is mainly for the wife also
[13:36:00] PatrickDK: unless I'm feeling really lazy
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[14:07:00] Heist: anyone know how to speed up browsing in mythvideo when browsing files from a mapped drive? (samba mount)
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[14:18:00] fryfrog: Heist: are you using "mount -t smbfs" or "mount -t cifs"?
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[14:26:00] GreyFoxx: I don't find browsing network shares show at all. The data transferred for directory listings is pretty tiny
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: s/show/slow/
[14:27:00] Chutt: depends on if it's loading covers or looking at other metadata
[14:29:00] GreyFoxx: But covers are storelocally and metadata in the database so I wouldn't expect it to be much slower
[14:30:00] GreyFoxx: But I suppose in a diskless situation the covers are transferred over the wire
[14:31:00] Korban: Doesn't mythvideo read in the directory structure when you first enter it? It doesn't seem to update as you actually browse through.
[14:31:00] Chutt: depends
[14:31:00] Korban: At least, if I add a file, it's not there until I exit mythvideo and come back.
[14:31:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: If you set it to browse the filesystem then yeah. If not the video manager reads it in and you only read from the database
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[14:32:00] st0rmy: anyone here using mythtv on epia mini-itx?
[14:32:00] GreyFoxx: But either way it wont show "new" stuff while in the tree/display
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[14:34:00] Chutt: heh
[14:37:00] ** GreyFoxx prepares to explain to a user that a patch that merely adds an extra field to a setting is useless unless you add code to the rest of the app to support the new option **
[14:37:00] Chutt: jochen?
[14:37:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[14:37:00] Chutt: heh
[14:38:00] fryfrog: ahhaha
[14:38:00] Chutt: you know how he asked about the wiki on the dev list the other day?
[14:38:00] GreyFoxx: Saw that
[14:38:00] Chutt: and my response?
[14:38:00] GreyFoxx: heheheh yeah
[14:38:00] GreyFoxx: stuff that makes me giggle :)
[14:38:00] laga: re
[14:38:00] Chutt: i realized that after i sent that that _he_ is responsible for the crap in the wiki
[14:38:00] GreyFoxx: lol
[14:38:00] laga:
[14:38:00] fryfrog: i would like to see this!
[14:39:00] Chutt: ah, nothing really
[14:39:00] Chutt: just misspelled words and really bad grammar
[14:39:00] Chutt: granted, his english isn't that great, but... =)
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[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: well, in trac issue #357 his heart is in the right place. But a simple test would have shown the new option is useless since he didn't game the rest of the code to handle it. hehe
[14:40:00] Chutt: i'd reject the patch just because it doesn't use null for global hostname
[14:40:00] Chutt: like everything else in myth does
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: heh default '*'
[14:41:00] Chutt: http://www.rulezman.com/images/hdmi.jpg
[14:41:00] Chutt: vs
[14:41:00] Chutt: http://www.rulezman.com/images/pc.jpg
[14:41:00] Chutt: can you see the difference?
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: well, I'm rejecting it since it means rewrites of several more bits of the code that I don't plan to do
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: pc.jpg is SLIGHTLY whiter/brighter. Otherwise damn near identical
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[14:43:00] Chutt: check the black detail on the wall, though
[14:43:00] Chutt: oh, and the hdmi one's cropped slightly =)
[14:44:00] GreyFoxx: The wall behind the bike looks sharper
[14:44:00] Chutt: yeah
[14:45:00] Chutt: that's the same project that i have
[14:45:00] Chutt: err, projector
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[14:45:00] Chutt: never decided which input to use, but i didn't do a direct comparison like that
[14:45:00] GreyFoxx: The colours are a little "washed out" in the pc pic. But only noticeable with the two pics available
[14:45:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[14:45:00] Chutt: i think the cropping on the hdmi's too annoying, though
[14:46:00] Chutt: it's more noticeable in other images
[14:46:00] GreyFoxx: Heh I was gonna say, only looks like an inch on top n bottom at most
[14:47:00] Chutt: 10 pixels on top, 20 on the bottom
[14:47:00] Chutt: approx
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: My new home theatre room is 1 coat of paint from being done
[14:47:00] Chutt: cool.
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: then projector time
[14:47:00] Chutt: which projector?
[14:47:00] GreyFoxx: Honestly, It's not top of the line but I'm seriously considering the Infocus sp4805
[14:47:00] fryfrog: any guess as to why an HDTV wouldn't show the non-X bootup of linux?
[14:47:00] fryfrog: the only time i can get stuff to display is when X starts up finally
[14:48:00] Chutt: that's only 480p
[14:48:00] Chutt: fryfrog, sync's outta range, likely
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: The 4805 is a good price, has uses the faroudja(spl?) deinterlacer, has great blacks, and looks good in real life
[14:48:00] fryfrog: were talking like, 640x480 text mode though :/
[14:48:00] Chutt: i've seen the 4805 for $500 on woot
[14:48:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, crazy
[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: Plus I don't have any HDTV at the moment. But a friend of mine that does has the same projector and it looks great. Of course another projector might look better :)
[14:49:00] fryfrog: and it happily then displays 1280x720 @ 60hz
[14:49:00] Chutt: i've been pondering upgrading to the panasonic pt-ae900u
[14:50:00] Chutt: i could probably get rid of my current 700u for a grand, so it'd only be 1200 to upgrade
[14:50:00] Chutt: and the casing's the same, so i could slip it by my wife for a while
[14:50:00] GreyFoxx: hehehehe
[14:50:00] Chutt: but i'll probably just wait for a 1080p model
[14:50:00] GreyFoxx: Mine will be the first projector so I can't slip that oen by mine :)
[14:51:00] fryfrog: ahahah
[14:51:00] fryfrog: "is the TV different? it looks a lot like a projector and screen!"
[14:51:00] fryfrog: "ummmm... hey, look is that a shoe sale!"
[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: There are just so many to choose from. it's hard to pick without a side by side comparison. and of course the screen makes a big difference
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: I'll likely make my own
[14:52:00] Chutt: that's what i did
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: Use blackout clothe? Or one of the paint formulas ?
[14:53:00] Chutt: blackout cloth
[14:53:00] Chutt: i'm reasonably happy with it
[14:53:00] Chutt: since it only cost about a $100 and a couple hours of time
[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: I've grab some of the formulas from avsforum, and picked up a sheet of boc to put on a mini frame. I'm gonna do up a couple and compare them side by side
[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: nice
[14:53:00] Chutt: http://www.mythtv.org/basement/5-Finished/projector_screen.JPG
[14:53:00] Chutt: kinda blurry
[14:54:00] Chutt: but it's two frames, one sitting inside the other
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[14:54:00] GreyFoxx: Nice. I was thinking the same. So that I can replace the inner one later with new formulas or whatever
[14:54:00] Chutt: blackout cloth wrapped on the inner one, and the outer one has black fabric
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah. should be interesting to compare then side by side. My friend whose had his for over a year now just uses the same white colour his wall was when he bought the house
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: he just marked off the edges of the projected screen and painted the room around it
[14:56:00] Chutt: heh
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[14:58:00] GreyFoxx: Alas I have to reshingle my roof before the projector. But I'm hoping the Projector will be my Xmas gift (from myself)
[14:58:00] Chutt: heh
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: doh, 10 minutes to submit my oncall hours so they make it properly on my next pay deposit. I love how they give me plenty of notice *sigh*
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[15:07:00] ehaase: dmesg is outputting "ivtv: loading /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin" and then "ivtv: unable to load firmware"... any suggestions?
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: ehaase: File doesn't exist? Not use the right firmware for your card? (I think the 150's and 500's use a different firmware than the 350's and 250's)
[15:10:00] ehaase: ok
[15:10:00] ehaase: i think i got it
[15:10:00] ehaase: the file didn't exist =) it was in the ivtv directory
[15:10:00] ehaase: what do i need to reload?
[15:10:00] Chutt: the module
[15:10:00] ehaase: those dmesg messages are caused when i try to "modprobe ivtv"?
[15:11:00] ehaase: once i've "modprobe ivtv" how do i unload it and load it again
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: rmmod ivtv
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: then assuming the firmware is in place, modprobe ivtv
[15:11:00] ehaase: damnit, i don't have unload support
[15:11:00] ehaase: does that mean i have to reboot?
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: herhe
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[15:12:00] ehaase: kjdf;akljdflkadjf
[15:12:00] ehaase: shouldn't that be enabled by default?
[15:12:00] ehaase: i don't see why it wouldn't
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: ehaase: That would be a question for whoever compiled that kernel (unl4ess you did)
[15:12:00] laga: it's disabled by default in kernel 2.6 iirc
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: I can't remember if I've had to enable it or not
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: Silly
[15:13:00] fryfrog: why the hell would you not enable module unloading? :p
[15:14:00] GreyFoxx: Dunno :) It would annoy me if I couldn't.
[15:17:00] GreyFoxx: Man, ever want to just choke a coworker ?
[15:17:00] GreyFoxx: I think I'm developing some work related rage issues :)
[15:18:00] ehaase: ok, i followed the instructions on http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV and i created a test.mpg... what should test.mpg contain?
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: was it a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg ?
[15:18:00] ehaase: yeah
[15:18:00] GreyFoxx: Well, assuming you waited a few moments then CTRL-C'd it. The test.mpg should contain an mpeg of whatever your card is currently tuned to
[15:19:00] GreyFoxx: Could be static if it's not tuned to a channel you get
[15:19:00] GreyFoxx: check the filesize. Hopefully it's > 0
[15:19:00] ehaase: its > 0
[15:19:00] ehaase: =)
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: Then it must have gotten data from the card then :)
[15:21:00] ehaase: i just got a blank black screen
[15:21:00] ehaase: is that good/bad?
[15:21:00] fryfrog: were you tuned to a blank/black channel? :)
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: Ok. At this point it's using the wrong input (likely composite/svideo) and not the tuner.
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: Now when recording in myth it will change to the proper input
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: but at the commandline you have to use the ivtvctl tools to change that stuff
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[15:25:00] ehaase: so i should expect a blank screen?
[15:27:00] GreyFoxx: If it's on composite or svideo and nothing is currently coming in on that input, then yes
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[15:28:00] whyz: hello, i'm trying to use mythvideo on my pvr350 tvout
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[15:28:00] whyz: it just shows a green/purple screen
[15:28:00] whyz: sound works
[15:28:00] whyz: not video
[15:28:00] whyz: it works fine with mythtv tv watching
[15:29:00] Chutt: fix ivtv.
[15:29:00] ehaase: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[15:29:00] ehaase: I GOT IT WORKING
[15:29:00] ehaase: AMAZING!!!
[15:29:00] GreyFoxx: ehaase: Cool :)
[15:30:00] whyz: Chutt, would you care to explain what you mean by "fix ivtv"?
[15:30:00] Chutt: because you're having a problem with whatever video player you're using (likely mplayer) and ivtv
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[15:30:00] Chutt: which has absolutely nothing to do with myth.
[15:31:00] Chutt: and if you fixed ivtv by setting up the xv support, you likely wouldn't have a problem
[15:31:00] ehaase: how do i adjust the channel for ivtvctl?
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: ehaase: You would have to know the exact frequency. Otherwise ivtv comes with a couple tolls (chan and ptune.pl) but I never use those
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: s/tolls/tools
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: One day I will finish the day without a single typo.
[15:33:00] ehaase: so its hard to do in other words eh?
[15:34:00] ehaase: damn man, this is so awesome
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[15:34:00] ehaase: its 6:43am here... i should be sleeping, but i so awake now =)
[15:34:00] ehaase: thanks a lot for your time guys, i appreciate it
[15:35:00] GreyFoxx: It's 10:34am, and I should be working, but I'd rather be sleeping :)
[15:35:00] ehaase: haha
[15:37:00] Korban: Totally offtopic question: if you are asked the percentage difference between 4 and 2 would you say 100% or 200%?
[15:39:00] simon_c: 50%
[15:39:00] Korban: 2 and 4 then :p
[15:39:00] ehaase: whats the difference between the boot and default for rc-update in gentoo?
[15:40:00] ehaase: Korban: it depends on whether the percentage is based on 4 or 2
[15:41:00] Korban: Well, the questions are "how many times would you do something" and then "if <whatever> how many times would you do it?"
[15:41:00] Korban: So if I did something 2 times, but would do it 4 times, what's the percentage difference
[15:42:00] simon_c: a 100% increase
[15:42:00] Korban: OK
[15:42:00] GreyFoxx: Are you cheating on your homework ?:)
[15:42:00] Korban: The office was bitterly divided on the issue :)
[15:43:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[15:44:00] fryfrog: ehaase: they are gentoo's runlevels
[15:44:00] fryfrog: boot is done before "default"
[15:44:00] ehaase: yeah, but whats teh difference between the two
[15:44:00] ehaase: ahhh, ok... gotcha, thanks
[15:45:00] fryfrog: you can create new runlevels too :)
[15:45:00] fryfrog: i have "boot" "default" and "gui" :)
[15:46:00] ehaase: Korban: from the "2 times" perpective, the percentage difference is 100% but the difference is 100% of 2... but from the perspective of "4 times" the percentage difference is 50% because the difference is half of 4...
[15:46:00] ehaase: depends on what nbumber you're basing it on
[15:46:00] ehaase: doe sthat sound right? =)
[15:46:00] ehaase: fryfrog: yeah, i know... just wante dot know what the difference between boot and default
[15:47:00] mike23skiddo: if its an increase from 2 – > 4 then its a 100% increase. If it is a decrease from 4 – > 2, it is a 50% decrease.
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[15:50:00] fryfrog: boot is like the uber important stuff
[15:50:00] fryfrog: like lo, modules, etc
[15:50:00] fryfrog: default is stuff like apache, mysql, mythbackend, eth0, etc
[15:53:00] Korban: mike23skiddo: Yeah that's what they want I think.
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[15:55:00] qfx: Hey, anybody have any hints why I can't get any sound out of my pvr 150mce?
[16:00:00] ehaase: you mean into?
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[16:01:00] ehaase: man... it took me so long to configure my kernel so that i have sound and my capture card working... i haven't done anything mythtv related... is setting up the hardware the most difficult part in setting up a mythtv system?
[16:02:00] fryfrog: haha
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: ehaase: PRetty much
[16:02:00] fryfrog: i'd say hardest is hardware, then probably mysql if you don't know what you are doing
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[16:03:00] ehaase: with mysql, isn't it just a matter of creating the database and telling mythtv how to access the database?
[16:03:00] Korban: why mysql?
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[16:04:00] fryfrog: ehaase: if it works okay, mysql is easy
[16:04:00] fryfrog: but people who don't use mysql very often usually find it to be... un-fun if it doesn't go perfect :)
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[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: because it's common, simple to setup, and more than up to the task
[16:05:00] Korban: No, I meant why is mysql a hard part to setup :)
[16:05:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: People who know nothing about it often find it scary and difficult
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[16:05:00] ehaase: so hardware is the hardest part, then mysql, then what?
[16:05:00] laptopconte: i'm working on tracking down a problem where video is occasionally choppy on my mythfrontend
[16:05:00] fryfrog: myth itself?
[16:05:00] fryfrog: maybe X if your distro isn't friendly
[16:06:00] fryfrog: myth has a TON of settings and setting screens, but at least its broken down into friendly chunks :)
[16:06:00] Korban: I don't think it's really that much more difficult than installing anything else on linux.
[16:07:00] ehaase: ok, i got a long road ahead of me...
[16:07:00] fryfrog: myth?
[16:07:00] Korban: mysql
[16:07:00] fryfrog: myth is probably the hardest to install linux application i've ever seen :)
[16:07:00] fryfrog: oh, sure when it goes right you don't have to mess with mysql much at all
[16:07:00] ehaase: from my experiences so far... setting up a complete mythtv setup is very difficult, er should i say time-consuming
[16:07:00] laptopconte: its not the acutal data – thats clean (verified). so it means its either something with the transmission between the backend and frontend, or something with the frontend decoding
[16:07:00] laptopconte: i've tried both decoders, which didn't fix it
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[16:08:00] Korban: laptop, are they hardware encoders?
[16:08:00] laptopconte: i've also tried varous audio buffering options, but that (not suprisingly) also didn't help
[16:08:00] laptopconte: the backend data is a PVR-150, so its already mpeg2
[16:08:00] laptopconte: yea
[16:08:00] laptopconte: pvr150, using the reccomended firmware
[16:09:00] ehaase: is setting up tv-out difficult?
[16:09:00] simon_c: Hi, I'm trying to compile myth on a suse10 machine, (generating some RPMs for suse10) I'm having some problems with the compile (these sRPMs worked on suse9.3)
[16:09:00] simon_c: I'm, getting errors "/usr/lib/qt3/include/qsqldatabase.h:63: warning: ‘class QSqlDriverCreatorBase’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor" when trying to compile channeleditor.cpp
[16:09:00] fryfrog: ehaase: depends on what sort of tv out you are using
[16:09:00] simon_c: and then a whole bunch of other errors
[16:09:00] ehaase: what you mean?
[16:09:00] ehaase: what type of hardware?
[16:09:00] ehaase: geforce fx 5200, composite out
[16:09:00] fryfrog: PVR350, SVIDEO from video card, DVI->DVI or maybe DVI -> HDMI
[16:10:00] fryfrog: it'll be pretty ugly i think
[16:10:00] fryfrog: the tv encoders on most video cards are... cheap and crappy
[16:10:00] laptopconte: any suggestions? or is this a known issue with 18.1?
[16:10:00] Korban: ehaase, it's easy. just run the nvidia driver and it works.
[16:10:00] ehaase: nice...
[16:10:00] ehaase: fryfrog: ugly for my scenario or others?
[16:10:00] Korban: I can't get it to overscan, but apart from that, easy.
[16:11:00] laptopconte: its as if frames are slightly out of order when it ges choppy
[16:11:00] laptopconte: but its very smooth and beautiful when its not
[16:12:00] Korban: How often does it happen?
[16:12:00] fryfrog: i mean, a computer display over composite (and even svideo imho) is not very good looking
[16:12:00] laptopconte: a fairly regular basis. it swaps between good and bad in the middle of playing
[16:12:00] ehaase: shit, i have no hot water =(
[16:12:00] Korban: Mine looks fine, but then my TV isn't exactly the best in the world.
[16:13:00] ehaase: s-video isn't good enough for you fryfrog?
[16:13:00] fryfrog: ehaase: after seeing display over component and DVI/HDMI, no :)
[16:14:00] fryfrog: but it will be easy for you to decide, it'll either look okay to you or not :)
[16:14:00] fryfrog: video cards also tend to have cheap tv encoders because not many people use them
[16:14:00] Korban: Heck, my TV doesn't even have composite inputs, I have to go through an RF modulator thingy.
[16:14:00] fryfrog: Korban: haha :)
[16:15:00] laptopconte: i use composite, and it looks better than svideo on my large tv. but then again, its more like poor-mans anti-aliasing, so its an advantage :)
[16:16:00] Korban: My wife is reluctant to purchase a better TV "when we have one that works perfectly well", but i'm working on it :).
[16:16:00] fryfrog: i got my gf to go from a 19" -> a 30" (or 32" i forget) ws hd tv
[16:16:00] fryfrog: and its... freaking AWSOME :)
[16:16:00] fryfrog: we got HD cable from communist-cast and the 10 channels in HD are very spiffy
[16:16:00] ehaase: does mythtv have a lot more features than TIVO?
[16:17:00] fryfrog: lots
[16:17:00] fryfrog: there is one feature it doesn't have though
[16:17:00] fryfrog: *easy to install :)
[16:17:00] syle: yeah no shit
[16:17:00] ehaase: hehehe
[16:17:00] ehaase: what feature stands out the most over tivo?
[16:17:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: That's COMPLETELY dependant oin the user
[16:17:00] syle: took me a whole damn weekend
[16:18:00] fryfrog: ehaase: probably the whole master/slave/frontend relationship imho
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx: If you are new to Linux, picked the wrong hardware, don't know how to configure X, don't know anything about MySQL. It might be a pain. If you do know those things it's pretty simple
[16:18:00] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: there ain't NO WAY you can argue that myth is anywhere NEAR as easy to install as tivo
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: Well duh. They have standard hardware AND it comes with the app preinstalled
[16:18:00] fryfrog: not that that *bothers* me or anything, its just the truth :)
[16:19:00] syle: i didn;t know you could download tivo
[16:19:00] fryfrog: you cant sir :(
[16:19:00] Korban: Does TiVo have the commercial auto-skip?
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: If myth came in a box pre installed, with preselected hardware it would be trivial to install. But that;'s not the world it's used in :)
[16:19:00] syle: idk i can;t stand a tv less than 50 inches personally
[16:20:00] fryfrog: nope, sure don't
[16:20:00] syle: i got one 55 inch for 300 bucks from some guy who bought a new hdtv
[16:20:00] fryfrog: syle: depends on how close you sit to the tv, if you sit like 3' from a 30" its gonna be the same as sitting 5' from a 50"
[16:21:00] fryfrog: well, of course *that* isn't accruate, but you know what i mean
[16:21:00] fryfrog: ahhaa, top google hit for...
[16:21:00] fryfrog: eAccelerator tweak
[16:21:00] fryfrog: is a G2 forum thread
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx: Hrm, that reminds me. A Coworker is bringing in a box for me to put myth on tomorrow. Better remember my CD's
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[16:28:00] Korban: btw, when I used a bttv card I was able to skip commercials if something wasn't flagged, but that doesn't work with the PVR-250s, is that normal?
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[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: Myth must have been flagging the commcericals. Otherwise it would have nowhere to skip to
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[16:33:00] Korban: Well, there's an option somewhere to allow it to try to skip if it's not flagged
[16:33:00] Korban: I mean, it would even work while the recording was in progress.
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: I'd love to know where that is :)
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[16:34:00] Korban: But, when I upgraded to PVR-250s and tried it it would just pause for a while and then resume at the same positon.
[16:34:00] Korban: So I turned it off
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[16:42:00] Korban: That option is under TV Settings->Playback
[16:42:00] Korban: On the commercial flagging screen "Skip unflagged commercials"
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: Cool. I've never noticed that before. But then I don';t flag commercials, but it's nifty to know
[16:43:00] Korban: Well, doesn't seem to work with PVRs though.
[16:43:00] mike23skiddo: do you guys get good results with commercial skipping? detection seems horrible for me for some reason. I have commercial skipping in my replaytv, seems to be twice as reliable at least.
[16:43:00] fryfrog: omg, you do'nt flag commercials???
[16:43:00] fryfrog: mike23skiddo: some shows are much worse than others
[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: I don't bother :)
[16:44:00] fryfrog: i have mine notify me 2 sec before commercial and then use the "z" key to skip
[16:44:00] Korban: Most of the time my come out perefectly.
[16:44:00] fryfrog: shows like l&o LOVE to false trigger
[16:44:00] Korban: Sometimes it has trouble with the first break.
[16:45:00] mike23skiddo: maybe ill have to try changing my settings for how it detects commercials and try that.
[16:45:00] Korban: Sporting events i'll set it to automatically skip, others I leave on manual.
[16:45:00] Korban: sports tend to work really well.
[16:46:00] mike23skiddo: is #ivtv-dev the best place for ivtv user support?
[16:46:00] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: I just manually ffwd through commercials to avoid the possibility of messed up auto skipping.
[16:46:00] GreyFoxx: mike23skiddo: There and the ivtv-dev mailing list
[16:46:00] mike23skiddo: roger. i ivtv is killing me with the pvr-500
[16:47:00] Korban: Well, you can tell if it messed up by the amount of time skipped.
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[16:48:00] Korban: Or, set it to skip to -2 seconds from the end point.
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: But I don't care enough about auto skipping a commericial to ever rewind it :)
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[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: I can ffwd through a set of commercials in like 2 seconds if I want :)
[16:49:00] Korban: You use the 30 second jump or the sticky keys thing?
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[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: 30Second forward, 5 back
[16:50:00] Korban: Don't you end up jumping into the show and then having to back up 3 or 4 times?
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: rarely, but it happens. Still ess than a second to jump back 3 or 4 times
[16:51:00] Korban: But you could just press one button and be done with it :)
[16:51:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: It would annoy me too much if it missed by a large chunk. I've had in the past and entire section of the show skipped
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: I'd rather do it myself
[16:52:00] Korban: Then you press skip back and it puts you to the spot you were at before
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: It's not about what's easiest, it's about the control
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: And then I jump forward manually like I would have in the first place
[16:52:00] Korban: But that hardly ever happens (on mine anyway)
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: Besides, commercials inform me about upcoming shows and news events. If I skipped them all I'd miss all of that
[16:53:00] Korban: That is true.
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: I'd rather jump and stop if a commcercial loosk interesting :)
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: Man, I really need to cut down on the TV I watch
[16:54:00] Korban: Only time i see commercials are when i'm watching a show live or close to it.
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/toomuchtv.txt
[16:55:00] Korban: Got a link to the script?
[16:55:00] GreyFoxx: nope, just on my drive. I whipped it off last night
[16:56:00] Korban: Mind e-mailing it to me for a comparison?
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: heh I updated it to show # of days
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: Total: 1974.9 hours (82.2875 days)
[16:56:00] GreyFoxx: that's disgusting, especially since it doesn't found non myth recorded stuff
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: Gimme a sec and I'll put it up on that site and you can grab it from there
[16:57:00] Korban: ok
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: I'll update it later to do per show stats so you can see what you record most
[16:59:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/countwatched-pl
[16:59:00] mike23skiddo: 1974.9 hours? how much HD space do you have, or do you transcode to a low quality?
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[16:59:00] GreyFoxx: I had to change the . to – to stop my server from trying to run it when you download it :)
[16:59:00] GreyFoxx: mike23skiddo: That's a historical recording count, not how much I have currently on the drive :)
[17:00:00] GreyFoxx: But, I have about a Terrabyte of space in that machine
[17:00:00] mike23skiddo: oh, roger that
[17:00:00] mike23skiddo: yeah, thats what i have in mine
[17:00:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: you got a query I can try to see my stat (so I don't have to think)?
[17:01:00] GreyFoxx: I whipped that table back in Oct 2003, so it's missing some
[17:01:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: That link I just posted is a perl script that will give you the numbers, but I'll do up a sql query to give the count. hold on
[17:02:00] Beirdo: 9700 shows.
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: damn
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[17:02:00] Beirdo: since Nov 2003, I think
[17:02:00] Beirdo: I've never wiped it
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[17:03:00] Korban: You might have a bug ...
[17:03:00] Korban: Total: -143586258.283333 hours (-5982760.76180556 days) wasted
[17:03:00] Korban: j
[17:04:00] GreyFoxx: Odd, Out of curiousity, qwhat MySQL version are you running ?
[17:04:00] simon_c: Is there anybody who could hlep me with a compile problem ?
[17:04:00] Korban: 4.0.18
[17:05:00] Korban: 374 titles, 3048 shows
[17:05:00] Korban: First is 03/19/2004
[17:06:00] Beirdo: Total: -3916770.66666667 hours (-163198.777777778 days) wasted
[17:06:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:06:00] Beirdo: First: 2003-10–21 21:0:0
[17:06:00] Beirdo: Last: 2005-8–22 9:30:0
[17:06:00] GreyFoxx: Wonder if it's overflowing or something
[17:07:00] Beirdo: slight issue there somewhere :)
[17:07:00] GreyFoxx: I'm literally taking the unix timestamp of start/end and subtracting start from end to give me the seconds. divide by 60 to get minutes and add that to a ever growing counter
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: I wonder
[17:08:00] Korban: I've got more shows than you, maybe it is an overflow
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: what version of perl do you both have ?
[17:08:00] Korban: 5.8.2
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[17:08:00] Beirdo: 5.8.3
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[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: I just updated the version on that link. Try that
[17:10:00] Beirdo: same
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: Wonder if it is an overflow of some sort then
[17:10:00] Beirdo: could be
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: I moved the math out of the print statement since some older perl versions barfed on that
[17:11:00] Korban: Same thing
[17:12:00] Heist: fryfrog: i was using mount -t smbfs
[17:12:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: What do you get from this : select sum(unix_timestamp(endtime) – unix_timestamp(starttime))/60 from oldrecorded;
[17:13:00] fryfrog: Heist: it might be worth trying "-t cifs" if you have that file type, but thats just a guess with no basis in reality
[17:13:00] fryfrog: what is a good, cheapish hdtv card?
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[17:13:00] Beirdo: a negative number
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[17:13:00] Heist`: fryfrog: i was using mount -t smbfs
[17:13:00] Heist`: would cifs be quicker?
[17:13:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, then that is the source of the problem
[17:13:00] Beirdo: I bet some of the old stuff was missing info
[17:13:00] fryfrog: Heist`: i dunno, but its worth a try
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: I should add a check for that hehe
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[17:15:00] Korban: GreyFoxx: I get that same negative number
[17:15:00] Beirdo: that's pretty much the query I use to graph the time recorded in cacti, BTW
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: So the data we are getting back from the database is either missing data or the time is way off
[17:15:00] Beirdo: yup
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[17:16:00] st0rmy: anyone here uses pinnacle pctv pro?!
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[17:17:00] Korban: Ah, i've got a bunch of endtimes at the epoch for some reason.
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[17:17:00] Heist`: argh.
[17:17:00] Heist`: wireless dropped out
[17:18:00] Heist`: yea any response on that smb vs cifs?
[17:18:00] Beirdo: I likely do too, but I don't have time to look right now
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[17:18:00] Heist`: or should i look at NFS
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[17:18:00] Korban: They are all from novemeber 2004 through february 2005
[17:19:00] Beirdo: NFS when used right will be your best bet, I think
[17:19:00] fryfrog: http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0 . . . me_page.html <-- suicide by cuffing yourself to a tree... ouch
[17:19:00] Beirdo: use NFSv3 or v4
[17:19:00] Beirdo: and set the window sizes huge
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: ok. I added some checks to look for timestamps of 0 or if end is < start
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: it warns you, but ignores those values
[17:20:00] Beirdo: RawTime: 437094
[17:20:00] Beirdo: Total: 7284.9 hours (303.5375 days) wasted
[17:20:00] Beirdo: with a pile of warnings
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: Heh
[17:20:00] Philipp: hello, could you help me with a compile problem, please?
[17:20:00] Korban: No, actually, may 2004 through feb 2005
[17:20:00] Beirdo: end: 18000
[17:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:20:00] Philipp: ld says : cannot find -lmythacecodec-0.18.1
[17:20:00] Beirdo: nice
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[17:21:00] Korban: When did we switch to datadirect from xmltv?
[17:21:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, I can't remember exactly
[17:21:00] fryfrog: Philipp: are you compiling manually or with something like teh gentoo?
[17:21:00] Beirdo: a while ago
[17:21:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:21:00] Korban: Could it have been in february?
[17:22:00] fryfrog: longer than that :)
[17:22:00] Beirdo: 2005?
[17:22:00] Beirdo: no way
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[17:22:00] Beirdo: 2004 maybe
[17:22:00] fryfrog: i've been using data direct since i started myth like a year or more ago
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[17:22:00] Korban: ok
[17:22:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: but yeah. almost a year wasted :)
[17:22:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:22:00] Beirdo: I watch WAY too much TV
[17:23:00] Korban: Oh wait! I bet these are shows I hit "Never Record" in mythweb on.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: in almost 2 years.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: yeah.... and I watch a lot of non recorded content.......
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[17:23:00] Philipp: fryfrog: im compiling manually.. just entered make ;-)
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: honestly makes me sick looking at the numbers
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[17:23:00] Beirdo: :)
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[17:23:00] Beirdo: I just won't think about it
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: I should pretty that script up a bit, and add a -q to quiet the warnings and post it to the -users list hehe
[17:24:00] Beirdo: and it's not as bad as it used to be.
[17:24:00] Beirdo: woman > TV
[17:24:00] Korban: Yeah, i'm pretty sure that's what it is mythweb didn't (doesn't?) populate the endtime in oldrecorded.
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: Korban: I think it just sends a command to the backend to remove it
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: the backend removes it and updates the database
[17:25:00] Korban: Nah, there's sql in there. I took a look at that code once.
[17:25:00] Korban: Maybe it's different now, but back then it did that.
[17:25:00] Beirdo: my backend used to gack a lot
[17:25:00] Beirdo: so I'm not surprised there's funky data left behind
[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: But if it didn't do it through the backend how would it delete files on a non local backlend ?
[17:26:00] Korban: It does do stuff through the backend.
[17:26:00] GreyFoxx: does touch it though.
[17:26:00] Korban: But there is (was?) some stuff it does direct to the database.
[17:26:00] GreyFoxx: there are a couple queries that update/remove stuff from there
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: I must have just been lucky and not gotten hit by the bug
[17:27:00] Korban: I haven't used mythweb for a while, I just use the frontend for that stuff now.
[17:27:00] evillaptop: does anyone use mythtv without filters/deinterlacers?
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: I use mythweb for 95% of my scheduling and removal of old shows
[17:27:00] Beirdo: me too
[17:28:00] Beirdo: other than deleting shows after I've watched them
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[17:28:00] Beirdo: that usually happens on the frontend as I'm using it at the time anyways
[17:28:00] fryfrog: i do also now, been very stable
[17:28:00] Korban: Yeah, I used to. But it's just as convenient using upcoming recordings in the front end.
[17:28:00] fryfrog: and mythweb-svn is even spiffier :)
[17:29:00] fryfrog: i guess next i need to tune my modeline so i don't have so much overscan
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[17:29:00] fryfrog: its nice to finally understand wtf the modeline actually is :)
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[17:32:00] GreyFoxx: I love caterred lunches
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[17:34:00] Korban: If I ignore the entries with no endtime I get 2840 hours or 118 days
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[17:35:00] GreyFoxx: If anything this makes me want to not watch TV hehe./ But then I would miss my shows!
[17:35:00] Korban: You know it's bad when you install a 3rd capture card and still have conflicts :)
[17:35:00] Philipp: do you have any clue what to do to prevent the compile error: ld cannot find -lmythacecodec-0.18.1
[17:35:00] fryfrog: ehhe
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[17:35:00] fryfrog: Philipp: i asked you a question the last time you asked
[17:35:00] GreyFoxx: hehe with new premieres my cards are going full tilt too
[17:36:00] fryfrog: oops
[17:36:00] fryfrog: and i see you replied!
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[17:36:00] fryfrog: svn or a real release?
[17:36:00] Philipp: :-)
[17:36:00] kazan: wow
[17:36:00] kazan: i haven't seen an IRC channel this busy since.... the late 90s
[17:36:00] Korban: To be honest though, I only still have a conflict because the description of one episode is different on a different source.
[17:36:00] fryfrog: you obviously don't hang out in #goat-pr0n
[17:36:00] Philipp: real release didnt work due to gcc4 – so svn
[17:36:00] kazan: lol fry
[17:37:00] fryfrog: gack, gcc4?
[17:37:00] fryfrog: dirty hippy :)
[17:37:00] ** GreyFoxx remembers the old #exceed on efNet **
[17:37:00] Philipp: im using suse 10 rc1 ;-)
[17:37:00] Korban: And i'm guessing they just updated it and the old one will fall into line when it refreshes the data the day before.
[17:37:00] kazan: gotccha question for anyone with a hauppage PVR-500 — whats the best quality/size that can be done with the hardware encoder (i haven't build my box yet.. just have the plan floating in my head till the $$ is available)
[17:38:00] ** kazan glances are greyfoxx and smirks **
[17:38:00] ** kazan remembers various shady sharing channels on undernet **
[17:38:00] fryfrog: kazan: it'll do 720x480
[17:39:00] GreyFoxx: Heh, I use to use it for testing stuff back when I was a mIRC beta tester heh. It was hard to find channels with that many people/bots and traffic
[17:39:00] kazan: fryfrog: ah, i was more concerned with harddrive usage
[17:39:00] fryfrog: i end up with about 2.1G / hr
[17:39:00] GreyFoxx: kazan: An average reecording tends to be around 2.2 – 2.6 gig and hour
[17:39:00] kazan: lol at one point in 1999 #warez on undernet broke 4 digits for user count
[17:40:00] kazan: greyfoxx: icky
[17:40:00] fryfrog: in theory you could transcode to mpeg4 or something
[17:40:00] fryfrog: or just watch shows and delete them :)
[17:40:00] kazan: aye.. i was thinking about using xvid
[17:40:00] Korban: I do 480x480 and use about 1.2GB/hour. Good enough for me.
[17:40:00] fryfrog: or capture at like 355x480 at a lower bitrate
[17:40:00] fryfrog: Korban: what bitrate?
[17:40:00] kazan: i'd rather have the higher rez
[17:41:00] GreyFoxx: kazan: Bitrate is really what you want when sampling the cable signal.
[17:41:00] fryfrog: kazan: you probably won't tell a diff between 720x480 and 480x480
[17:41:00] kazan: of course 1.2gb/hour is not bad when i'm thinking about putting 300GB into it for storage :D
[17:41:00] fryfrog: bitrate and verticle resolution are what really make for quality
[17:41:00] GreyFoxx: lower res, higher bitrate looks better than higher res same or lower bitrate
[17:41:00] kazan: fryfrog: true, it is analog cable afterall
[17:41:00] Korban: fryfrog: 2200
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[17:42:00] GreyFoxx: I've changed mine so much over time I usually have to look to know what I'm using "now" heh
[17:42:00] Philipp: fryfrog: should I downgrade to another gcc or is there a possibility to compile with gcc4.0.2
[17:42:00] Korban: That's about as low as I could go.
[17:43:00] Korban: I've got a 300GB drive so that's 250 hours of recordings.
[17:44:00] kazan: yeah
[17:44:00] kazan: i just calculated that
[17:44:00] kazan: i'm thinking if i can sneak it passed my fiance to get dual 500gb SATAs and mirror-raid them when i build my box in january
[17:44:00] kazan: i'm probably going to have a lot of TV shows accumulating for long-term storage
[17:45:00] fryfrog: Korban: i thought if you drecrease reso w/o decreasing bitrate, they'd be the same size?
[17:45:00] kazan: andromeda, bsg, b5, etc
[17:45:00] fryfrog: do you transcode?
[17:45:00] fryfrog: kazan: i've got 5x 320G for 1.2TB raid5 + 2x 80G raid 1 for system
[17:45:00] kazan: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:45:00] fryfrog: course, its not all used by myth
[17:45:00] ** kazan hates fryfrog **
[17:45:00] kazan: :D
[17:45:00] fryfrog: 400G+ drives aren't really worth the cash
[17:45:00] fryfrog: you can get more space for the same or less
[17:45:00] kazan: not today
[17:46:00] kazan: but in january :P
[17:46:00] fryfrog: ah
[17:46:00] Korban: fryfrog, not sure about that.
[17:46:00] fryfrog: mirroring and losing 500G makes baby jesus cry!
[17:46:00] kazan: mirroring would prevent lossage
[17:46:00] fryfrog: but those poor 500G!!!
[17:46:00] kazan: it's highly unlikely that two 500GB drives would fail simultaneously
[17:47:00] fryfrog: i know, but... 500G no usie!
[17:47:00] Korban: fryfrog, my bttv files were 300MB/hour at 352x240 and I think 2200 bitrate.
[17:47:00] fryfrog: makes baby jesus cry :)
[17:47:00] kazan: and manufacturers are back to giving 3year warranties
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[17:48:00] kazan: i plan on using a drive between 20 and 40 gb for /, /boot, /home and then have my big raid mounted on /video
[17:49:00] Korban: When I first setup mythtv it was with a bttv card and a 10GB hard drive. At 300MB/hour that still stored 30 hours.
[17:49:00] fryfrog: kazan: i'd raid 1 my system and raid0 or raid5 the 500G drives :)
[17:49:00] kazan: fryfrog are you using a "pretty" htpc case for your box or just a normal PC case
[17:49:00] fryfrog: but then, i wouldn't cry if i lost my shit
[17:49:00] fryfrog: oh, no check my case out
[17:49:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/
[17:49:00] fryfrog: its so awsome i wrote a little review
[17:49:00] fryfrog: it is the most *perfect* case i have ever seen
[17:49:00] fryfrog: my main backend is a server, so its not with my tv
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[17:50:00] fryfrog: i'm still fucking around with a system for my tv so its some PoS thing i had laying around
[17:50:00] kazan: nice
[17:50:00] kazan: lemme get a link tot he case i'm going to use
[17:50:00] Korban: I've got a miniatx desktop case next to the TV
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: I'm currently dreaming about a silverstone lc16m for a frontend in the new theatre room. I'd rather an atech but it'
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: s way too expensive
[17:51:00] Korban: I just have the backend/frontend on the same box.
[17:51:00] kazan: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811195020
[17:51:00] fryfrog: for some reason, my DVI->HDMI cable hookup won't show *ANYTHING* until it fully boots into X
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: My backend is in a rackmount case in with my other gear :)
[17:51:00] Korban: Two digital cable boxes above it and the 3rd PVR uses the tuner.
[17:51:00] fryfrog: mine used to be just back/front, but when i sold my 800G array i combined my mythbackend with my webserver
[17:52:00] fryfrog: Korban: digital cable hooked to PVR how?
[17:52:00] kazan: speaking of digital cable.. anyone here in the US use mediacom?
[17:52:00] Korban: Change channels via RS232
[17:52:00] fryfrog: serial?
[17:52:00] kazan: fryfrog: probably firewire compliant
[17:52:00] kazan: rs232=serial
[17:52:00] Korban: I have a couple of USB->Serial adapters.
[17:52:00] fryfrog: ah
[17:52:00] kazan: korban: who's your provider?
[17:52:00] Korban: comcast
[17:52:00] kazan: ah
[17:52:00] fryfrog: i've got a cumcast box that i've got switching via firewire
[17:52:00] fryfrog: but i still gotta get everything hooked up right
[17:52:00] Korban: Don't have firewire on mine.
[17:53:00] kazan: mediacunt didn't put firewire or rs232 ports into the placeholders for them on their non-htdv boxes
[17:53:00] fryfrog: wanna try an HDTV card to see if i can get the clear hd chans
[17:53:00] kazan: they're required by the FCC to put firewire on the hdtv ones
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[17:53:00] Korban: Did you ask them for it? One of my boxes didn't have RS232, I called them up and they sent me another one.
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[17:53:00] kazan: fryfrog: FCC requires are HDTV digital set-top boxes to provide IEE1394 connectivity with unecrypted full-quality output
[17:53:00] kazan: korban: i can gaurantee that none of their boxes have it on them
[17:53:00] sphing: anyone reading the mailing list... is it true that ivtv provides a passthrough devices
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: yes
[17:54:00] kazan: plus they'd charge be $15 just for the guy coming out to hand me a box
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: raw yuv frames
[17:54:00] Korban: Really? They sent mine free.
[17:54:00] sphing: wow... so ifyou have a backend server fast enough the channel delay could be like almost nil
[17:54:00] kazan: korban: mediacom are assholes
[17:55:00] Korban: Actually, the cableguy who brought it was very impressed with MythTV. I think he was gonna try it himself.
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: It's not that simple,(the drivers are not v4l compliant) but it might be possible
[17:55:00] kazan: they have a monopoly on cable tv out here in iowa
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: I believe you can also get the raw audio
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: which obviously you would need for recording. But I only play with the yuv video when I looked at it
[17:55:00] kazan: korban: oh yeah the field tech was a nice guy
[17:56:00] kazan: little light on the technical knowledge (i asked him if the signal was DVB-C unecrypted when it reached the house and he was like "wha???")
[17:56:00] Korban: But, all else fails, you could always setup one of those IR things.
[17:56:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: so the problem is that the ivtv passthrough drivers aren't v4l so myth wouldnt work with it right?
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: Correct
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: Plus I'm sure more than just that, that's just the top of my head issue
[17:57:00] Korban: I don't know how well those wrk though. The nice thing about the serial cable is it can check the box actually went to the right channel.
[17:57:00] sphing: do cards that have v4l drivers with a fast backend are quick channel changers?
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: no
[17:57:00] fryfrog: myth is never really "fast" at channel changing
[17:57:00] fryfrog: since it has to buffer to disk and start playing back
[17:57:00] fryfrog: eventually though you'll never watch live tv, so it won't matter
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: remember, myth encodes/writes to disk, reads from disk, sends to frontend, decodes, displays
[17:58:00] sphing: fryfrog: yea i hate that... not that i'm complaining... im just trying to speed it up...
[17:58:00] kazan: i'll be using mythtv for live tv
[17:58:00] Korban: Yeah, only live TV I watch is CNN or maybe current.
[17:58:00] fryfrog: i doubt it, but who knows ;)
[17:58:00] sphing: i rarely channel change when i'm live-tving
[17:58:00] kazan: because the digital box will be passing through my BT878 while my PVR-500 will be there for most recordings
[17:59:00] fryfrog: my one disappointment is that only 2 of the 5 or 10 HD chans output firewire
[17:59:00] fryfrog: and ALL of the "digital" channels don't come out firewire
[17:59:00] fryfrog: only like 1–75 and 2 HD :(
[17:59:00] fryfrog: so i'm gonna use svideo -> pvr 250
[17:59:00] kazan: hey korban... i heard for those of us not fortunate enough to have set top boxes missing IEE1394 and RS232 that we could emulate the remote with an IR transmitter
[18:00:00] Korban: Yeah
[18:00:00] kazan: fryfrog: is your set top box HDTV capable?
[18:00:00] sphing: kazan: you can get a new box... but it costs $
[18:00:00] kazan: sphing: mediacom isn't giving out _any_ of their firewire compliant boxes yet.. they're pushing off FCC compliance as long as they can
[18:00:00] fryfrog: yeah
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[18:00:00] Korban: Oh, the cable companies call the serial port a "low speed data port"
[18:00:00] fryfrog: and the "awsome" part is that it actually has two tuners
[18:00:00] kazan: fryfrog: then go search the mailing list for "Derek Meek" (me)
[18:00:00] Korban: If you want to try asking for it.
[18:01:00] sphing: i thought they had to be fcc compliant... i'm not an expert just what i understood
[18:01:00] fryfrog: so if i could USE firewire, i could get two chans at a time
[18:01:00] kazan: fryfrog: i have links to the law that you can slap in their face
[18:01:00] fryfrog: ah
[18:01:00] kazan: fryfrog: they're in violation of the FCC regs
[18:01:00] fryfrog: time to go home :)
[18:01:00] kazan: they're not exploiting a loophole like mediacunt is
[18:01:00] Chutt: they don't have to transmit stuff unencrypted over firewire.
[18:01:00] kazan: chutt: yes they do
[18:01:00] Chutt: no, they don't
[18:01:00] kazan: chutt: yes, they do
[18:01:00] kazan: it's part of the FCC regulations on HDTV capable set top boxes
[18:01:00] Beirdo: oh jeez.
[18:01:00] Chutt: read it again
[18:02:00] kazan: if i was booted into windows I would grab the link at quote the appropriate lines
[18:03:00] kazan: i'd love to stay and argue :P but i really do need to get back to work
[18:03:00] kazan: before the boss notices i'm not programming but typing on IRC
[18:03:00] kazan: they're pretty lax here.. but probably not that lax :D
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[18:04:00] ChanServ sets mode +v xris
[18:04:00] sphing: (i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer,
[18:04:00] sphing: replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not
[18:04:00] sphing: include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a
[18:04:00] sphing: functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top
[18:04:00] sphing: box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394
[18:04:00] sphing: interface is functional.
[18:05:00] Beirdo: nice paste
[18:05:00] ** Beirdo readies the trout **
[18:05:00] sphing: didnt realize it was so big :(
[18:05:00] kazan|afk: ah could catch
[18:05:00] ** kazan|afk bows before sphing **
[18:05:00] ** xris wishes that applied to sat providers, too **
[18:05:00] kazan|afk: i didn't catch that line when i searched the PDF
[18:05:00] ** sphing hits self with trout **
[18:05:00] kazan|afk: xris: you can get DVB-S cards
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[18:06:00] sphing: kazan|afk: it doesn't say it has to be functional to the consumer
[18:06:00] Beirdo: that does no good, there's encryption on DVB
[18:06:00] xris: Kazan: and what good would that do? DirecTV doesn't use DVB, and DishNetwork is encrypted beyond anything that a card could undo
[18:06:00] Beirdo: and it's illegal to break it
[18:06:00] sphing: i think Chutt might be right
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: nor does it say they can't downgrade the signal on the firewire out to standard res
[18:06:00] Kazan: beirdo: point at one of the unecrypted sats :D
[18:06:00] Beirdo: of course Chutt is right
[18:07:00] Chutt: <gasp>
[18:07:00] xris: GreyFoxx: personally, I thought that was the whole idea. was amazed to hear that some providers put out HD signals on the firewire
[18:07:00] Kazan: my father-in-law (to be) gets free sat constantly because he knows where the satellites that broadcast in the clear are (he works at the national radio astronomy observatory)
[18:07:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: output like 480x480 on the firewire... lol
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: xris: I'm told that our local provider passes the HD right out the firewire port with no restrictions
[18:07:00] Beirdo: so you can get CBC in HD?
[18:07:00] xris: Kazan: yes, there are plenty of FTA signals out there. just nothing good for the 18" dish varieties. would need c-band to get good stuff.
[18:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:07:00] xris: GreyFoxx: that's nice.
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[18:08:00] Kazan: xris: yeah, he does get most of his goodies from cb-and :D
[18:08:00] xris: you can apparently get firewire boxes for sat from 169time.com, but they're very-expensive and no idea what the legality is (or if they work)
[18:08:00] sphing: ugh i'm sitting in a room with like 50 machines... the humm is getting to me
[18:09:00] xris: Kazan: yeah. oh to have something big enough to hide a c-band dish.
[18:09:00] Kazan: xris i believe if you have a legal subscription to the network then it's perfectly legal to have your own custom box
[18:09:00] hfghfh: does anyone know where i can find an mplayer rpm with xvmc support for fedora 4
[18:09:00] Beirdo: Kazan: not nearly
[18:09:00] Kazan: c-band isn't illegal....
[18:09:00] Kazan: beirdo: since when
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: since ever
[18:09:00] xris: c-band is totally legal. for encrypted stuff, you can buy straight from the network for cheap (even with redistribution rights). but you need a 2m dish.
[18:10:00] Beirdo: if they've encrypted the signal, you MUST use their equipment
[18:10:00] ** sphing rings bell.... ROUND 2 **
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: You are paying for access through their box
[18:10:00] Kazan: beirdo: wrong
[18:10:00] Beirdo: go read the DMCA
[18:10:00] Kazan: beirdo: some stuff comes across c-band in the clear
[18:10:00] xris: Beirdo: 169time uses official equipment. they're modded boxes.
[18:10:00] Kazan: infact a LOT comes across c-band in the clear
[18:10:00] xris: Kazan: not talking about c-band here.
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: Kazan: Note how he said if it's encrypted ?:)
[18:10:00] Kazan: greyfoxx: he didn't prefix it before
[18:11:00] xris: 169time is (mostly) about 18" dish stuff
[18:11:00] Beirdo: if it's not encrypted, go nuts and use circuitry you made yourself
[18:11:00] Kazan: Kazan xris i believe if you have a legal subscription to the network then it's perfectly legal to have your own custom box
[18:11:00] xris: depends on the box
[18:11:00] Kazan: the DMCA is a leaky ship that is most effective against people who cannot defend themselves
[18:12:00] xris: if your box decrypts HD signals without you paying for HD content, it's not legal
[18:12:00] Beirdo: the DMCA is the law, faulty or not
[18:12:00] Kazan: xris: yeah – that's why i said "legal subscription"
[18:12:00] xris: Beirdo: he's partly right... you CAN use your own hardware... but some features of that hardware may or may not be legal
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[18:13:00] Beirdo: yeah, there are limits to what you can do thought
[18:13:00] Beirdo: though rather
[18:13:00] xris: yeah. pretty sure they set that in the user agreement
[18:13:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:13:00] Kazan: like xris mentioned though – 169time uses the foficial equipment
[18:14:00] Kazan: brb
[18:14:00] Beirdo: read the fine print, you'll see how "legal" the subscription is with modified equipment :)
[18:14:00] Beirdo: sat providers aren't known for being consumer-friendly
[18:15:00] ** xris wonders if he can even make $100/year from adsense. **
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[18:15:00] Kazan: xris: doubtful
[18:15:00] xris: think I'll take it down once I make the $100 mark
[18:15:00] ** Beirdo wonders if he'll ever hit $100 **
[18:16:00] xris: maybe leave it up on the nuvexport page
[18:16:00] Kazan: i had a month with 100k visits in a month to one of my sites with adsense.. i was able to calculate it would take about three years of 100k views/month to hit $100
[18:16:00] Beirdo: nah
[18:16:00] xris: meadbrewer.com seems to make a decent amount per-click, but I would feel bad clicking those ads without meaning it since they're mostly small companies with legit/cool products.
[18:16:00] Beirdo: I have 114k visits total, $57
[18:16:00] xris: speaking of which, I need to go price some bottles...
[18:17:00] Kazan: beirdo: you're getting a better quality of adds
[18:17:00] xris: just over 90500 and $72
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[18:17:00] Kazan: 75% of the adds on the site in questions are PSAs
[18:17:00] Beirdo: nice, xris :)
[18:17:00] Kazan: because it's a political website
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[18:18:00] xris: really need to do something with that domain.
[18:18:00] xris: need to get my wiki software usable.
[18:18:00] NightBird: class time... bye
[18:19:00] Beirdo: I need to break my foot off in someone's ass
[18:19:00] Kazan: ...............?
[18:19:00] Beirdo: some tard just put in a trouble ticket...
[18:20:00] Beirdo: "customers are complaining about DNS, but we can't recreate the problem"
[18:20:00] Beirdo: OK
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[18:20:00] Kazan: ok... SPECIAL
[18:20:00] Beirdo: so what the FUCK am I supposed to do about it?
[18:20:00] NightBird: customer can't recreate the problem?
[18:20:00] xris: heh
[18:20:00] Kazan: lol i take it you're a sysadmin
[18:20:00] Beirdo: yeah
[18:20:00] NightBird: say you fixed the problem then
[18:20:00] xris: Beirdo: you could ignore it and help me research barcode scanners
[18:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:20:00] NightBird: if they don't have a problem with it, then it must be fixed
[18:20:00] Beirdo: I'm ignoring it
[18:20:00] Beirdo: my team leader will certainly ask me to investigate though
[18:21:00] NightBird: ok, time to go take a test for which I didn't study for...
[18:21:00] Kazan: competant sys admins... we could only wish :D
[18:21:00] Beirdo: competent customers... if only
[18:21:00] Kazan: we cannot get error emails off our web apps on the production boxen (we don't administrate them)
[18:22:00] xris: Beirdo: ours are.  :)
[18:22:00] xris: but we sell to geeky people
[18:22:00] Kazan: brb
[18:22:00] Beirdo: I wish we had a "WTF?" closure code
[18:22:00] Beirdo: or "not my fucking problem"
[18:22:00] Beirdo: or "are you on crack?"
[18:23:00] opello: things like "wontfix" "cantfix" "stupid"
[18:23:00] Kazan: back
[18:23:00] Kazan: "nofixyouryou"
[18:23:00] Kazan: anyone familiar with the mysql LIKE operator?
[18:23:00] ** xris tries to remember how much he likes his job compared to other places. heh. **
[18:23:00] opello: Kazan: anything in particular?
[18:24:00] Kazan: nevermind i finally found the mysql.com doc
[18:24:00] Kazan: was seeing if i wanted to str_replace(" ", "%", $searchterm) before inserting it into the mysql query
[18:24:00] Kazan: which i do
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[18:25:00] opello: just use [%]?
[18:25:00] opello: to 'escape' it
[18:25:00] Kazan: no no
[18:25:00] Kazan: don't need to escape it
[18:25:00] Kazan: $sql.= " AND `project_code`='%" . str_replace(" ", "%", $spec) . "%'";
[18:26:00] opello: so you just won't get to search by percent signs?
[18:26:00] Kazan: lol % is wildcard for the mysql LIKE operator
[18:26:00] opello: i know
[18:26:00] Beirdo: select * where saying like "whoa"
[18:26:00] Kazan: str_replace(mixed needle, mixed replaced, mixed subject)
[18:26:00] opello: the '0 or many' wildcard in fact
[18:26:00] Kazan: exactly
[18:27:00] Korban: So your looking for words delimited by spaces in order
[18:27:00] opello: well, you can't do WHERE ... AND project_code = '%search%'
[18:27:00] Kazan: dude :D
[18:27:00] Kazan: i used the .= operator
[18:28:00] opello: WHERE ... AND project_code LIKE '%search%'
[18:28:00] b30wulf: help? I'm having problems with scanning in the SF Bay area, I'm running the debian packages done by mdz with a pchdtv3000, card hardware works, scans work, but scan channels != zap2it program guide channels... any ideas?
[18:28:00] Beirdo: like WHOA, dude
[18:28:00] Kazan: that statement is in an if block in the middle of me doing a bunch of string concatenations building the query
[18:29:00] opello: the pattern matcher doesn't work if you use the equals comparison operator
[18:29:00] opello: if you're not trying to use it, fair enough, if you are, you did it wrong
[18:29:00] Korban: So if $spec is "this that" you want to search for anything with this followed by a that with anything in between?
[18:30:00] Kazan: oh good catch lol :D
[18:30:00] Kazan: i had copy pasted and hand't replaced the operator yet
[18:30:00] opello: hey, yeah, what i was trying to say before you got all indignant
[18:30:00] Kazan: because you put the "WHERE ..." in there i would you had missed the .=
[18:30:00] Kazan: bleh thought*
[18:30:00] ** Kazan needs caffeine **
[18:31:00] opello: no, because like/=/... can only occur in the WHERE part, the elipsis indicates that there is stuff that i omitted :)
[18:31:00] Kazan: yeah :D
[18:31:00] Kazan: i'm never fully awake when writing php/mysql powered webpages
[18:31:00] b30wulf: are there any SF Bay area users on grabbing off-air HDTV?
[18:32:00] Kazan: i am on the freespace 2 open source project and I write the a bunch of the modding tools – c/c++ cross platform programming is more "my speed"
[18:32:00] Kazan: php/mysql is well below my skill level, so it starts boring me to sleep :D
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[18:33:00] Kazan: but for being a 21-year-old who hasn't finished college the pay is good :D
[18:33:00] Chutt: you're 21?
[18:33:00] Chutt: i thought more closer to 12
[18:33:00] Kazan: chutt leck mein arsch
[18:33:00] Beirdo: Kazan: behave
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[18:33:00] Kazan: beirdo: i'm placing him on ignore
[18:34:00] Chutt: i'll just place you on ban, then
[18:34:00] Beirdo: that's OK, he might place you on ban if you don't behave
[18:34:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Chutt
[18:34:00] Chutt: wheee.
[18:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:35:00] ** xris wishes he could find someone like Kazan locally **
[18:35:00] Chutt: you don't have idiots locally?
[18:35:00] xris: stupid lack of low-level low-pay-asking php coders.
[18:35:00] opello: i've got plenty of them around here
[18:35:00] Chutt: or does amazon suck them all up?
[18:35:00] opello: oh, that
[18:35:00] xris: haha
[18:36:00] Kazan: xris: "low-pay" lol.. i'm not getting "low pay" :D
[18:36:00] xris: everyone around here is into ASP or vbscript
[18:36:00] xris: Kazan: what's "not" low pay?
[18:36:00] ** Beirdo wanders off to lunch **
[18:36:00] Kazan: well my starting salary is 38k — low for a programmer, but not bad for a 21 year old
[18:36:00] Chutt: that's low for a 21 year old
[18:36:00] Kazan: not in iowa
[18:36:00] Beirdo: I was getting around $80kCDN at 21
[18:37:00] Korban: Yeah, depends a lot on where you live.
[18:37:00] xris: that's pretty high for iowa.. low for seattle
[18:37:00] Beirdo: ahhh, the good ole days
[18:37:00] sphing: xris: where's locally?
[18:37:00] Chutt: beirdo, so, 3c an hour?
[18:37:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:37:00] Chutt: (us, of course)
[18:37:00] xris: sphing: look up
[18:37:00] Beirdo: it felt that way sometimes
[18:37:00] Korban: Telecommute ... work for a company in a high cost of living area from a low cost of living area ;)
[18:37:00] sphing: lol... i meant your locally
[18:37:00] Beirdo: although that's not true anymore with the US$ tanking like it is
[18:37:00] xris: sphing: like I said. seattle
[18:37:00] Chutt: yeah
[18:38:00] Chutt: i bought some uk-published books recently
[18:38:00] Beirdo: that's gotta hurt
[18:38:00] Chutt: $35 incl shipping from ca
[18:38:00] Kazan: i almost had a nice telecommuting job with some bank
[18:38:00] xris: ouch
[18:38:00] Chutt: for 2 paperbacks
[18:38:00] sphing: xris: lol i thought you were saying look up from my screen to see where i was...
[18:38:00] Beirdo: jeez
[18:38:00] Chutt: it used to be much cheaper :p
[18:38:00] xris: hmm, wonder if amazon.ca has urban trad for sale
[18:38:00] xris: sphing: no. 2 lines up from when you first asked
[18:38:00] Chutt: of course, i ordered them and then i find out my wife's going up to canada next week
[18:38:00] Kazan: but the guy who they hired on as their new director of development couldn't hire until they approved his proprosal for upgrading their system
[18:38:00] Kazan: it was a sweet idea
[18:38:00] Beirdo: anyways, I should go have lunch, see all you dudes in a bit
[18:39:00] Kazan: but the blockhead CEO didn't understand what the problem was with using 2GB access databases for simultaneous access and therefore why they should upgrade the system
[18:39:00] Chutt: sphing, btw, you ever find the 'only broadcast hdtv must be unencrypted' firewire language? :p
[18:39:00] sphing: is there lsisa?
[18:39:00] sphing: lol... no
[18:39:00] Chutt: ah
[18:40:00] Kazan: i (obviously) missed that line too chut
[18:40:00] Kazan: chutt*
[18:40:00] Chutt: section, not line
[18:40:00] Chutt: it's almost two pages, iirc.
[18:40:00] Kazan: section, line – no big difference once you translate the legalese
[18:41:00] Kazan: the more words they take to say something the more you can be sure hey're hiding something
[18:41:00] Korban: I live in West Michigan, but work for a company in princeton, NJ (cost of luving is 4x higher)
[18:41:00] xris: Chutt: I'm amazed that even THAT is in there.
[18:41:00] Korban: s/luving/living
[18:41:00] Kazan: like handing the megacorps the infinite right to sodomize consumers
[18:41:00] Chutt: xris, they're generally pretty reasonable
[18:42:00] xris: we'll see. got an air2pc for work. will see if we can get HD
[18:42:00] Chutt: dopester keeps telling me to get mine replaced
[18:42:00] Chutt: but i don't care to spend time on it
[18:42:00] xris: our hd5k just showed up yesterday.
[18:42:00] Korban: omg, there's a guy on one of my sites right now with javascript popup code in his useragent
[18:42:00] xris: I don't have cable, so no real reason to replace mine.
[18:43:00] Kazan: ?!
[18:43:00] xris: Kazan: dish
[18:43:00] Kazan: korban how the fark
[18:43:00] Korban: <script>open('http://medchecker.com/side.htm','_search')</script> (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Advanced Searchbar)
[18:43:00] Korban: That's his useragent
[18:43:00] Kazan: xris: i was ?!'ing korban :P
[18:43:00] Kazan: interesting....
[18:43:00] Korban: Why the heck would they do that?
[18:43:00] Kazan: the question is – how the fark did it get there, and what does it expect some sites to parrot the useragent back in plain html?
[18:44:00] Kazan: and who the fark is medcheker.com
[18:44:00] Kazan: medchecker.com*
[18:44:00] Kazan: it's a searchbar
[18:45:00] ** Kazan loves the smell of spyware in the morning **
[18:45:00] Korban: Weird, never seen that before.
[18:46:00] Kazan: yeah
[18:46:00] Kazan: "Advanced Searchbar"
[18:46:00] Kazan: just love the IE drones
[18:47:00] Kazan: all our development machines and all but one of the servers are linux boxen
[18:47:00] Kazan: our artists and marketing/management people run windows boxes – but use firefox and thunderbird
[18:47:00] Korban: Yeah, same here.
[18:48:00] Korban: Only use IE to check CSS etc works ok.
[18:48:00] Kazan: aye
[18:50:00] Kazan: if you ever want to export a cert from internet explorer to import in netscape/moz/firefox don't leave the password blank
[18:50:00] Kazan: microsoft's exporter improperly exports blank-password cert files
[18:50:00] Kazan: (and their importer expects the same "feature")
[18:50:00] xris: Kazan: good to work in a nice company like that.
[18:51:00] Kazan: xris: aye
[18:51:00] xris: we're running out of free windows licenses (microsoft gave us a pack when we started selling servers to them), so I think most new machines will be linux
[18:51:00] Kazan: linux > win
[18:51:00] xris: well, except when you're trying to find a barcode/rfid printer
[18:51:00] xris: or a barcode scanner
[18:51:00] xris: or use the UPS shipping software
[18:51:00] Kazan: barcode scanner = easy
[18:52:00] xris: wireless programmable barcode scanner, not so easy
[18:52:00] Kazan: get a barcode scanner that hooks into your keyboard input
[18:52:00] Kazan: oh.. wireless one :D
[18:52:00] xris: and programmable
[18:52:00] Kazan: Wine is your friend
[18:52:00] Kazan: i bet UPS's shipping software will rune under wine
[18:53:00] xris: actually, the issue is more trying to figure out how to integrate the barcode scanners with the software I write.
[18:53:00] Kazan: ah
[18:53:00] Kazan: what do you write?
[18:53:00] xris: siliconmechanics.com
[18:53:00] xris: (and everything behind the scenes — inventory management, purchasing, etc)
[18:54:00] Kazan: gotcha
[18:54:00] Kazan: ecommerce backend then
[18:55:00] Kazan: are they wireless as in wireless lan
[18:56:00] Kazan: or wireless as in custom type of wireless
[18:56:00] xris: there's a linux one that does 80211.b, but only does WEP, which means I'd need to leave an unsecured wireless network open if I wanted to use it.
[18:56:00] xris: so I guess custom wireless is probably the way to go.
[18:57:00] Kazan: use mac-filtering on the WAP to prevent unauthorized access to the network
[18:57:00] xris: backend is way more than ecommerce, though.
[18:57:00] Kazan: and turn off SSID broadcast
[18:57:00] xris: you've never heard of mac spoofing?
[18:57:00] Kazan: that's where the WEP comes in
[18:57:00] Kazan: if they don't have the WEP key they're fooked
[18:57:00] xris: and can't do that. our network is wpa and needs to stay that way in case vendors come in with laptops
[18:58:00] Kazan: bah
[18:58:00] xris: wep key takes like 45 seconds to grab
[18:58:00] Kazan: you could run them on their own seperate one if you can afford having a second set of APs
[18:59:00] Kazan: and since they're linux based (i'm assuming you meant embedded linux) then you should be able to enable stronger encryption
[18:59:00] xris: well, in the case of those ones, I've opted out of them because of bad reviews of the button layout
[19:00:00] Kazan: ah
[19:00:00] ** Kazan googles **
[19:00:00] Kazan: whats the model you've excluded
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[19:01:00] xris: amltd.com
[19:01:00] Kazan: k
[19:01:00] Kazan: ever checked out the Intermec CK1
[19:02:00] xris: was just looking at it.
[19:02:00] xris: can't find it on the manufacturer's website, so no info on toolkit, etc.
[19:02:00] Kazan: uses a 2.4 uClinix
[19:03:00] Kazan: you loose at the internet
[19:03:00] Kazan: http://www.intermec.com/eprise/main/Intermec/ . . . t=CMPTR1_CK1
[19:04:00] xris: they lose at web design
[19:04:00] Kazan: aye
[19:04:00] Kazan: did the url break?
[19:04:00] xris: it's not listed in their barcode scanner cateory
[19:04:00] Kazan: ah
[19:04:00] Kazan: use search
[19:04:00] Kazan: "CK1" two listings under products
[19:04:00] Kazan: it's more powerful than a barcode scanner so i guess they didn't list it in that category
[19:05:00] xris: apparently no
[19:05:00] xris: not
[19:05:00] xris: man, wish it did 2d codes
[19:05:00] Kazan: ?
[19:05:00] xris: like the square sequence of dots on a UPS label
[19:05:00] Kazan: ah
[19:06:00] xris: more info stored in a smaller space
[19:06:00] Kazan: yeah
[19:06:00] Kazan: it's possible that with some small customization to the software it could
[19:06:00] Kazan: or is that totally a hardware thing?
[19:06:00] xris: no. needs a ccd as well as a laser
[19:06:00] Kazan: ah
[19:06:00] ** Kazan loses at barcode readers **
[19:06:00] xris: or so it seems from reading other product reviews
[19:07:00] Kazan: i think it has a CCD
[19:07:00] Kazan: i think someone referenced to it being able to be used as a scanner
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[19:08:00] xris: scanner can just be 1d codes
[19:09:00] Kazan: CK1 is a batch data collection terminal for retail, light industrial, and medical/pharmaceutical applications requiring small-sized ergonomics at an economical price. It features either a linear imager or bar code scanner, along with large memory and a crisp display.
[19:09:00] Kazan: use the linear imager and decode the barcode in software?
[19:11:00] xris: linear is 1d
[19:11:00] xris: if it supported 2d, they'd say
[19:11:00] xris: and it'd cost a lot more.
[19:11:00] Kazan: i thought the linear imager was a scanner device
[19:11:00] Kazan: that took a snap of a single row at a time as you moved down the columns
[19:12:00] Kazan: ie if it's 300x300 it grabs 300x1 at a time to reconstruct the image
[19:12:00] Kazan: like a flatbed scanner
[19:12:00] Kazan: but maybe i'm just confused :D
[19:12:00] ** Kazan doesn't play with that type of hardware **
[19:13:00] xris: Kazan: it is... that's the typical linear laser that you see in the average barcode scanner.
[19:13:00] xris: it only looks in one dimension, rather that the ccd types that read the 2d codes that (I think) use a radial scan
[19:14:00] Kazan: i don't think they're refering to the laser
[19:14:00] xris: anyway, the flatbed scanner has the ability to move the scanner up/down and know it.
[19:14:00] xris: laser is part of the scanner.
[19:14:00] Kazan: most scanners us a CCD strip
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[19:20:00] xris: hmm
[19:20:00] xris: looks like the aml one does 2d
[19:22:00] mchou: xris: why do you need a 2d barcode reader?
[19:22:00] Kazan: was that the one you had disqualified?
[19:23:00] xris: mchou: dunno
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[19:23:00] xris: trying to cover all bases
[19:23:00] xris: same reason I'm looking at rfid printers even though we don't use them
[19:23:00] Kazan: afk lunch
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[19:24:00] xris: but in general, we need a barcode reader for the warehouse
[19:24:00] phil_: hi, can you help me with a compile problem, please?
[19:24:00] phil_: make says: /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lmythavcodec-0.18.1
[19:24:00] phil_: collect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[2]: *** [libmythavformat-0.18.1.so.0.18.1] Error 1
[19:25:00] NightBird: ugh
[19:25:00] ** NightBird is hungry... **
[19:25:00] phil_: I am using gcc 4.0.2
[19:25:00] NightBird: I like girls
[19:26:00] phil_: and mythtv from svn
[19:26:00] xris: phil_: echo "QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH = 0" >> mythtv.pro
[19:26:00] xris: echo "QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH = 0" >> settings.pro
[19:26:00] phil_: same error :-(
[19:28:00] phil_: make clean helps :-)
[19:29:00] phil_: btw does it matter for mythtv that suse can't use my tv-card .. but it works with vdr?
[19:29:00] phil_: xris: thanks a lot!!
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[19:32:00] phil_: hm.. it doesn't work :-( although it produces much more output
[19:33:00] phil_: in the middle of the make output, my console says:
[19:33:00] phil_: ln -s libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1 libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so
[19:33:00] phil_: ln: creating symbolic link `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so' to `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1': Operation not permitted
[19:33:00] phil_: make[2]: [libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1] Error 1 (ignored)
[19:33:00] phil_: ln -s libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1 libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0
[19:33:00] phil_: ln: creating symbolic link `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0' to `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1': Operation not permitted
[19:33:00] phil_: make[2]: [libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1] Error 1 (ignored)
[19:33:00] phil_: ln -s libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1 libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18
[19:33:00] phil_: ln: creating symbolic link `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18' to `libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1': Operation not permitted
[19:33:00] phil_: make[2]: [libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so.0.18.1] Error 1 (ignored)
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[19:34:00] phil_: why could the symbolic link generation be denied?
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: phil_: Dude, use www.pastebin.ca (or .com) for pasting stuff that is more than 2 or 3 lines please
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[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: Well it would be denied for instance if the first time to did it you were a nother user(like root) and it is now trying to overwrite that as a different user
[19:35:00] phil_: hm.. I'm executing everything as root
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: Assuming you haven't mounted something as read only, then that's the only reason I can think of
[19:36:00] hfghfh:
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: hfghfh: Yes, TV Settings -> Playback
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: xvmc must be enabled in there
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: and of course it has to be compiled into myth in the first place
[19:37:00] phil_: hm.. no i didnt mount anything special..
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: phil_: The start all over from a make distclean
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: run configure again
[19:37:00] hfghfh: what would i do without you guys!!!, hm maybe read the manual :-)
[19:38:00] hfghfh: thanks, i will check i out
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[19:39:00] phil_: btw do you also have problems with tar -xjf myth-0.18.1.tar.gz2 ?
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: well I can guarantee it's not .gz2
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: But no, I haven't used .18.1 in months
[19:40:00] phil_: okok bz2
[19:40:00] phil_: so you are using svn version?
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: Yes
[19:41:00] hfghfh: next problem is a bit more trickier i think, every time i start livetv it will freeze after a second and when i check the log i says something like could not find color key
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[19:41:00] phil_: :-( i got the same error again (after using make distclean)
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: phil_: And the user you are using right now is root ?
[19:42:00] phil_: yes
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: no idea then.
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[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: Maybe blow away the whole t hing and untar/regrab the source again
[19:43:00] phil_: http://pastebin.ca/23628
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[19:43:00] hfghfh: i think it has to do with the bad overlaysupport in the nvidiadriver for my 6600, but is there some setting that i can tweak to turn this of
[19:43:00] phil_: where should i get the source from? can you give me a direct link please?
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[19:44:00] phil_: i tried svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Whereever you got it in the first place. Or just untar what you have
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Well make up your mind
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: are you going to run svn, or 0.18.1 release
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: cause a second ago you were asking about 0.18.1 release
[19:44:00] phil_: i overrode 18.1 with svn as it didnt work either..
[19:45:00] phil_: sorry
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, so you are gonna give svn a shot then?
[19:45:00] phil_: are there reasons against it?
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: well, nothing in particular, unless you are using dvb which is going through a lot of rewrites at the moment
[19:46:00] phil_: im using dvb
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: Then you'd be warned that it might be unstable since there is a bunch of changes in that portioin of the code
[19:47:00] phil_: ok so rather 0.18.1
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: probably a better choice at tghe moment
[19:48:00] phil_: linux:/mnt/mythtv # tar -xjf mythtv-0.18.1.tar.bz2
[19:48:00] phil_: tar: mythtv-0.18.1/README: Cannot change ownership to uid 500, gid 500: Operation not permitted
[19:49:00] phil_: i am a linux noob so i have no clue what to do with that error
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, I want to see the output of the following on pastebin
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: whoami
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: ls
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: mount
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: run all of those from that same directory/user
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: and put the output on pastebin
[19:51:00] phil_: http://pastebin.ca/23629 the last line (with make) was left from the old pastebin
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: Bah, ok. You are doing this on a vfat partiton
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: well, expect to get the file ownership change errors then
[19:53:00] phil_: ok – that would be easy to fix
[19:53:00] Chutt: and the inability to make symlinks
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[19:53:00] Chutt: which is causing your compile error
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[19:54:00] GreyFoxx: phil_: do you have enough room on another *nix based partition that you could try compiling under ?
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: you could certainly store your recordingsd on the vfat partition
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: but you wont be compiling on it
[19:55:00] phil_: ok – i will
[19:55:00] phil_: im just trying to compile it under ext3 where my system lies on
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[19:57:00] phil_: oh – now i get the gcc4 error http://pastebin.ca/23630
[19:58:00] xris: phil_: why not just use rpm's?
[19:58:00] phil_: but i tried 0.18.1 instead of svn as before
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: can't help you there :) I haven't gone near gcc4 :)
[19:58:00] phil_: is it difficult to downgrade to another gcc?
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[19:59:00] phil_: arent rpms os specific?
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[19:59:00] phil_: i am using suse 10 RC 1
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[20:01:00] phil|lunch: i'll be back soon
[20:02:00] Kazan|Lunch: back
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[20:02:00] Kazan: xris you make up your mind yet?
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[20:03:00] xris: Kazan: of course not
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[20:03:00] Kazan: lol :D
[20:03:00] Kazan: man lunch around here is hilarious
[20:03:00] xris: leaning back toward the aml one, though... long range scanner, etc. need to contact them.
[20:03:00] Kazan: yeah
[20:03:00] xris: ok, time to give a phone interview....
[20:03:00] Kazan: the aml one looks fine
[20:03:00] Kazan: dunno what people are bizatching about with the buttons
[20:04:00] Kazan: they look find to me
[20:04:00] Kazan: fine*
[20:04:00] hfghfh: does anyone know what this is and how to solve it http://pastebin.ca/23631, picture freezes after approx 1 seconds of playback
[20:04:00] hfghfh: output is from mythfrontend
[20:05:00] Kazan: looks like you're using backend on another machine?
[20:06:00] hfghfh: no its local
[20:06:00] Kazan: hrm
[20:06:00] Kazan: #
[20:06:00] Kazan: Remote encoder not responding.
[20:06:00] Kazan: but herei s where it dies #
[20:06:00] Kazan: 2005-09–22 19:58:37.867 Couldn't get the color key color, and we need it.
[20:06:00] hfghfh: both backend and frontend is running on the same machine
[20:06:00] Kazan: hm
[20:07:00] Kazan: looks like you have something wrong with x.. but let's see what the people with more expirience think
[20:07:00] Kazan: xris you still there?
[20:07:00] hfghfh: yes i have both picuter and sound for 1sec before it stops
[20:07:00] hfghfh: im using an nvida 6600 card and 7676 drivers
[20:08:00] Kazan: k
[20:08:00] Kazan: let's see what xris thinks when he gets back from afk
[20:09:00] hfghfh: if i open the /dev/video0 with mplayer it plays just fine so i dont think the problem is in the pvr500 encoder card
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[20:10:00] Juski: have you tried turning off xvmc to see how it fares?
[20:10:00] hfghfh: yes same result
[20:12:00] Kazan: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=
[20:12:00] hfghfh: the strange thing is that it starts playing with both video and sound but then just stops
[20:13:00] Kazan: that seems to be an issue with xvmc.. but if it's happening without i dunno
[20:13:00] Kazan: i, unfortunately, can only give answers i can dredge up with google
[20:13:00] Kazan: <-- not a myth developer and hasn't build his box yet
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[20:15:00] lwizardl: hi
[20:15:00] ** Kazan waves **
[20:15:00] lwizardl: anyone use dvb cards?
[20:16:00] Kazan: i wish :D
[20:16:00] Kazan: but what is the question
[20:16:00] lwizardl: trying to find an option for a htpc using my dish network signal
[20:16:00] hfghfh: yes i have run it with the xvmc option both on/off and no difference, but if you check it with ldd you se that it is linked to xvmc and that the library is installed
[20:17:00] Kazan: lwizardl: DVB-S probably want to use a box from 169time
[20:18:00] Kazan: hf have you checked that your harddrive has DMA enabled?
[20:18:00] Kazan: you tried using the card in Xine using XV output?
[20:19:00] simcop2387: w00t for mythtv! tivo is adding content restrictions!
[20:19:00] Kazan: simcp2387: aye, but it's probably going to be easy to circumvent them from what i hear
[20:19:00] Kazan: i hear that tivo is known for "accidentally" letting information like that slip
[20:19:00] hfghfh: nope, how do i do that
[20:19:00] lwizardl: Kazan: not yet i was told that you can't record hd from dish network using a htpc
[20:19:00] simcop2387: dunno, haven't heard that much, but it'd be nice if it means more mythtv-users/developers
[20:20:00] Kazan: lwizardl: check out 169time and see if they have an HD tuner you can use
[20:20:00] Kazan: simcop2387: aye
[20:20:00] simcop2387: AFAIK in the US you can't do any dish recording still
[20:20:00] simcop2387: at least directly
[20:20:00] Kazan: simcop2387: but more atttention from the Fascist Associations of America
[20:21:00] simcop2387: Kazan: what're they going to do pressure developers into adding those features to an open source project??
[20:21:00] Kazan: http://www.169time.com/
[20:21:00] Kazan: simcop2387: they can try and make it illegal use any software without those restrictions
[20:21:00] Kazan: hell,, they can try and make it illegal to WRITE such software
[20:21:00] Beirdo: there is no try
[20:21:00] Beirdo: there is only do
[20:21:00] simcop2387: prove that i'm using it
[20:21:00] Kazan: RE: That unconstitutional piece of shit the DMCA
[20:21:00] Kazan: Beirdo: with the current regime in power i would agree
[20:22:00] Kazan: Q: How do I record HDTV?
[20:22:00] Kazan: A: The easy method is to purchase a satellite HDTV receiver from us that is already upgraded with the firewire output together with a pre-built AVX1 processor. Add a recording device such as a JVC DVHS tape deck, or LG LST3410A hard drive recorder, firewire cables, recording media (DVHS tapes). Call the satellite service to enable reception for the channels your want to record, and you're in ready.
[20:22:00] simcop2387: just have to have the "developers" live in foreign countries
[20:22:00] Kazan: simcop2387: yeah.. they try and chase them down thoough like DVDjon
[20:23:00] simcop2387: they have yet to get DVD-Jon extradited (sp?)
[20:23:00] Kazan: IIRC that extradiction request was denied
[20:23:00] Kazan: but they sued him in his own country (And lost fortunately)
[20:23:00] simcop2387: hey get DVD-Jon to be the head of mythtv development!
[20:23:00] Kazan: :D
[20:23:00] simcop2387: that'll do it!
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[20:26:00] lwizardl: Kazan: have you used the 169time?
[20:26:00] Kazan: no
[20:27:00] Kazan: i've heard that they're good though
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[20:31:00] Kazan: wtfh
[20:31:00] Kazan: i just managed to crash firefox
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[20:34:00] lwizardl: reading time
[20:34:00] lwizardl: brb
[20:37:00] ** xris wishes he could afford a box from 169time **
[20:39:00] mchou: I dont get it. How do the 169time boxes work? Thru firewire?
[20:40:00] phil_: hi, what can i do to get around this error when compiling mythtv 0.18.1 error: invalid option `tune=i686'
[20:40:00] Kazan: Factory fresh new DirecTV Hughes HDTV receiver with firewire 169time output for HDTV recording
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[20:40:00] Kazan: (quoted from one of their pages)
[20:41:00] Zxcvb: seen the new tivo article>?
[20:41:00] mchou: Kazan: is 169 HDCP compliant or what?
[20:42:00] mchou: I mean what exactly does the avx1 processor really do?
[20:42:00] Kazan: dunno
[20:42:00] Kazan: but i know mythTV can use them
[20:42:00] Kazan: people were talking about it on the mailing list
[20:43:00] Kazan: and i'm assuming you don't need the avx1 computer
[20:43:00] Zxcvb: some TVs will refuse to display unprotected DVI content
[20:43:00] mchou: weird.....
[20:43:00] laga: some tvs suck. ;)
[20:43:00] Kazan: wait
[20:43:00] Kazan: stop
[20:43:00] Kazan: i just found the email in the logs
[20:43:00] ** GreyFoxx loves the evergrowing list of stuff I CAN'T use items I buy for **
[20:43:00] Kazan: 169 time is NOT mythtv-compat
[20:44:00] Kazan: so scratch my mentioning it and someone else mentioning it earlier
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: If the thing will send data out the firewire port, and accept channel changes through it(or an IR) then it could be made to work
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[20:45:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: you understand how the 169 works?
[20:45:00] mchou: I mean how does it overcome the HDCP crap?
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: What is there to understand ?
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: Oh, no idea
[20:45:00] mchou: lol
[20:46:00] Zxcvb: isn't there a hdcp to dvi converter out now?
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: Someone mentioned an extender cable that did that
[20:46:00] Zxcvb: no, it actually decrypts the protected crap
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[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: That's what I'm talking abouit
[20:47:00] Kazan: GreyFoxx: the 169time devices are using a proprietary communications protocol which 169time refsues to open
[20:47:00] mchou: Zxcvb: so 169 is a HDCP-compliant device?
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: what came out the other end was unencrypted. Got a few guys all excited the other day
[20:47:00] Kazan: they said they were going to write a linux driver in jan
[20:47:00] Kazan: on kernel 2.4
[20:47:00] Kazan: it doesn't exist
[20:47:00] Zxcvb: Kazan: reverse engineer the windows driver
[20:47:00] Kazan: yeah :D
[20:47:00] Kazan: someone can do it
[20:47:00] Kazan: i'm not that l33t :D
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: Exactly
[20:47:00] Zxcvb: Kazan: been done before
[20:48:00] Zxcvb: wouldn't suprise me if over half the drivers in linux were reverse engineered
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: A lot of them have been yeah
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: Or not really the drivers, but monitoring what the drivers send tot he hardware
[20:48:00] Zxcvb: wonder if the 169 people would sue over it
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: a little of both
[20:49:00] xris: lwizardl: fyi, you cannot decode dishnetwork signals with a dvb card. they changed their encryption signal to something more difficult awhile back. and even if you could, it'd be illegal and not something we could discuss here.
[20:49:00] Zxcvb: xris: could you make mythdv mimic a hdtv television?
[20:49:00] Kazan: brb
[20:50:00] Zxcvb: xris: that way the most you would have to do is take care of the encryption the television set uses
[20:50:00] xris: Zxcvb: sure, if someone made a card with hdmi input that would work with protected signals (hint, it'd be illegal in the US)
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[20:51:00] Zxcvb: xris: gnu radio?
[20:53:00] xris: huh?
[20:54:00] Zxcvb: xris: handle the hdmi decoding and hdcp encryption in pure software
[20:55:00] xris: Zxcvb: illegal
[20:57:00] Zxcvb: xris: so is libdvdcss
[20:58:00] laga: your point?
[20:58:00] Kazan: back
[20:58:00] Zxcvb: doesn't stop it from being widely used
[20:59:00] laga: your point?
[20:59:00] xris: Zxcvb: slightly more so. but mainly just not something to talk about here.
[21:00:00] Kazan: in otherwords Xris cannot condone such action option, but that doesn't mean he doesn't
[21:00:00] Kazan: so shush
[21:00:00] Kazan: he's trying to cover mythTV's arse
[21:00:00] xris: s/X/x/
[21:00:00] ** laga hates it when they spell nicks wrong **
[21:01:00] xris: that's what tab completion is for... never misspell a nick
[21:01:00] ** Kazan thinks it's silly to get anal over caps **
[21:01:00] opello: yeah, i hate it when people capitalize nicks hat aren't
[21:01:00] xris: Kazan: Xris looks silly
[21:01:00] opello: that*
[21:02:00] Kazan: we really need to get the fucking MPAA and RIAA lobbysts kicked out of .. the country
[21:03:00] xris: that wouldn't help people in the EU or AU
[21:03:00] Kazan: well.. sorta it would
[21:04:00] Kazan: america putting pressure on the EU and AU is part of the reason why they're adopting these bullshit laws
[21:04:00] xris: yes
[21:04:00] Kazan: i despite what my country is being turned into
[21:05:00] phil_: does anyone know what to do when make says "error: invalid option `tune=i686'" ?
[21:05:00] mchou: phil_: RTFM
[21:06:00] phil_: ;-) isnt there an option to deactivate this flag for mythtv?
[21:09:00] Kazan: RTFM
[21:09:00] mchou: anybody seen any good deals on hard drives lately?
[21:09:00] Kazan: mchou did you check pricewatch?
[21:09:00] mike23skiddo2: staples has been doing 250 gig hds for 89$ in store, no mail in rebate needed
[21:09:00] opello: phil_: mtune
[21:09:00] mchou: no. retail store + rebate is what I'm talking about
[21:10:00] Kazan: NEVER buy at a retail store
[21:10:00] Kazan: one of my buds used to work for maxtor
[21:10:00] mchou: Kazan: what kind of dope you smoking?
[21:10:00] Beirdo: crapstor
[21:10:00] Kazan: the retail stores get the drives that don't test out well
[21:10:00] mike23skiddo2: thats bs
[21:10:00] Kazan: all the hardrive companies do that
[21:10:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2 i believe it from expirience
[21:11:00] mchou: retail gets factory seconds while OEMs get the good stuff? :)
[21:11:00] Kazan: it explained why some drives i had purhcased oem 10 years ago still work, but some drives i bought retail 2 years ago are dead
[21:11:00] Kazan: mchou: bingo
[21:11:00] mchou: that's bullshit man
[21:11:00] Kazan: it's pretty messed up
[21:11:00] mike23skiddo2: that is explained by the fact that harddrives just arent made as good, in addition, the type of drive you buy
[21:11:00] mchou: Kazan: no, your expnation is full of crap.
[21:12:00] mike23skiddo2: you can get hds with high MTBF retail or online
[21:12:00] mike23skiddo2: you just have to check.
[21:12:00] mchou: maybe the stocking cleark at the retail store dropped the drives you bought.
[21:12:00] Kazan: mchou: doubtful
[21:12:00] mchou: clerk*
[21:12:00] Kazan: different stores, different times
[21:12:00] Beirdo: or kicked them from the stockroom to the shelf
[21:12:00] opello: then maxtor sent the wrong sata1 drives to gateway; we've had 20 drives die within a year on their e-6100 series workstations
[21:12:00] Kazan: well packages
[21:12:00] Kazan: well packaged*
[21:12:00] mike23skiddo2: maybe when you got the harddrives shipped from an online store they guy with the fork lift dropped them, then the UPS guy kicked them twice
[21:12:00] Kazan: opello: i never said i liked maxtor :D
[21:13:00] opello: i have a from-the-store maxtor that's fine after 5 years
[21:13:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: all the drives ive bought online are running just fine
[21:13:00] mchou: retail drives are not usually factory seconds
[21:13:00] mike23skiddo2: all the drives ive bought online and in retail are running just fine.
[21:13:00] mchou: that explanation is pure bunk.
[21:13:00] Kazan: opello: testing "lower" doesn't mean it's "going to fail" just that it's "more likely to"
[21:13:00] mchou: lol
[21:13:00] mike23skiddo2: what is tested as "lower"
[21:13:00] Kazan: tolerances
[21:13:00] opello: they were tested on the machine on the floor, not the one on the desk :)
[21:14:00] Kazan: various details ryan didn't go into
[21:14:00] mike23skiddo2: what tolderances, lower data transfer, disk errors, what?
[21:14:00] mchou: mike23skiddo2: exactly :)
[21:14:00] mike23skiddo2: you think they have time to test the data transfer and disk surface of every drive they make, then ship certain ones to different places?
[21:15:00] Kazan: i didn't say they test every drive
[21:15:00] mike23skiddo2: and also, you think that with the manufacturing process that individual drives coming off of an assembly line at the same time have that much variance?
[21:15:00] Kazan: they pull randomly from the batches
[21:15:00] mike23skiddo2: ok, so you can get a good disk at retail, if some of the batch were lower...
[21:15:00] Kazan: i presume the assumption is (probably an educated assumption) that all drives in a batch will behave similiarily
[21:15:00] mike23skiddo2: anmd you can get a shitty drive from OEM if it was in a batch that tested well
[21:15:00] opello: or they grabbed the 1 crap drive from the batch
[21:15:00] Beirdo: or more likely...
[21:15:00] Beirdo: they took the one GOOD drive from the batch
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[21:15:00] Beirdo: this is MAXTOR people
[21:15:00] opello: heh, yeah
[21:16:00] Kazan: lol aye Beirdo :D
[21:16:00] Kazan: maxtor is shit
[21:16:00] Kazan: WD > *
[21:16:00] mike23skiddo2: well, they check enough to be statistically valid, but come on, you really think there is a conspiracy that all drive manufactors follow to ship bad drives to staples, and good drives to tigerdirect?:)
[21:16:00] Beirdo: bah
[21:16:00] opello: except seagate
[21:16:00] Beirdo: Seagate > *
[21:16:00] opello: heh
[21:16:00] Kazan: seagate is good too :D
[21:16:00] Beirdo: WD is good for bouncing off concrete floors :)
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[21:16:00] Kazan: i've had one drive from seagate, one from wd and three from maxtor fail
[21:16:00] opello: seagate, with their real version of a warranty
[21:17:00] Kazan: everyone is switching back to 3year
[21:17:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: they don't fuck over all the retailers
[21:17:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: only ones like best buy :P
[21:17:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: basically it's packaging – if it's "brown boxed" it's from a higher-testing batch
[21:18:00] mike23skiddo2: i used to do data streaming to 5–10 terabyte ide disk arrays, they would use maxtors sometimes, sometimes seagate
[21:18:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: if it's retail boxed it's from a lower-testing batch
[21:18:00] mike23skiddo2: why would they do that kazan?
[21:18:00] mike23skiddo2: what sense does it make?
[21:18:00] Kazan: Beirdo WD is good for bouncing off concrete floors :) <--- as in you can bounce it off concrete without damaging it :D
[21:18:00] Beirdo: no
[21:18:00] Kazan: (Yes i've had a WD drive [not my own properly] fall onto a concrete floor and not bother the drive)
[21:19:00] Beirdo: as in you throw it as hard as you can and shatter the bastard
[21:19:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: the real money comes from the OEM customers
[21:19:00] Beirdo: as that's all they are good for
[21:19:00] Beirdo: it's fun and therapeutic
[21:19:00] Kazan: that's what old MTM drives are for
[21:19:00] opello: especially when you have a stack of old 8gb drives?
[21:19:00] Beirdo: I (accidentally) kicked a brand new and running Seagate 200G drive across the floor
[21:20:00] Beirdo: WHAM right into the table
[21:20:00] Beirdo: worked fine after
[21:20:00] opello: heh i wouldn't feel right about using a drive after that
[21:20:00] mike23skiddo2: that "my friend told me" urban legend crap is BS
[21:20:00] Beirdo: my heart was in my throat there, let me tell ya
[21:20:00] opello: heh
[21:20:00] Beirdo: brand new
[21:21:00] Beirdo: I woulda just taken it back "this drive is busted, gimme a different one"
[21:21:00] Kazan: yeah like i said beirdo – i agree seagate is good
[21:21:00] Beirdo: but it was fine
[21:21:00] Kazan: infact for laptops i'd say seagate is better for that very reason
[21:21:00] Beirdo: Seagate rules
[21:21:00] Kazan: they are very "stress tolerant"
[21:21:00] Kazan: if i had to choose between WD and Seagate it would come down to what i'm using the drive for, and price
[21:22:00] Kazan: in my expirience they're fairly equal
[21:22:00] Beirdo: you can take the WD then
[21:22:00] ** GreyFoxx says in a booming voice "Round 2 .... FIGHT!" **
[21:22:00] Beirdo: have fun with your borked drives
[21:22:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: can take your "urban legend" stuff and stick it up your buttocks
[21:22:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: because my _former_ _coworker_ had worked for maxtor
[21:22:00] Beirdo: bork bork bork
[21:22:00] ** Kazan rolls his eyes **
[21:22:00] mike23skiddo2: if that was true kazan, there would be atleast one web page that agreed on google. the only thing i can find says that oem and retail are the same.
[21:23:00] mike23skiddo2: yeah, thats what im talking about "my friend says..." stuff. ONE guy said that he thought his company did, and now its a whole "dont buy retail, everyone does it!"
[21:23:00] opello: heh
[21:23:00] Beirdo: I wouldn't buy Maxtor anyways
[21:23:00] mike23skiddo2: maxtor does tend to suck, so does WD
[21:24:00] Beirdo: and they are damn loud
[21:24:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: not he "thought" he was TOLD
[21:24:00] mike23skiddo2: but you can tell all that thru the specs, just like at MTBF
[21:24:00] Beirdo: my whole room full of computers is as quiet as a standard PC
[21:24:00] Beirdo: thanks in no small part to Seagate drives
[21:25:00] Kazan: Beirdo: i already said i dislike maxtor myself
[21:25:00] Beirdo: and Antec Sonata cases :)
[21:25:00] opello: Beirdo: you see that p180? it looks pretty nice
[21:25:00] mike23skiddo2: kazan: ok...i guess everyone in the industry knows that retail gets shitty drives, but not one blogger can be found on google talking about it.
[21:26:00] mike23skiddo2: the only difference i can find retail VS oem, is the oem tend to have less cache.
[21:26:00] Kazan: you act as if that's a refutation
[21:26:00] Kazan: go take a logic class
[21:26:00] opello: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page2.html
[21:27:00] mike23skiddo2: no, but its common sense, if there is really a widespread conspiracy, someone besides your one friend would be talking about it.
[21:28:00] Kazan: it's not a "conspiracy"
[21:28:00] Kazan: you know.. simple facts of the industry don't get written about much
[21:28:00] Kazan: because they're simple facts of the industry
[21:28:00] mike23skiddo2: it would be, if identical drives, with the same MTBF were shipped to retail and OEMs , but were secretly different....that would be a conspiracy
[21:28:00] laga: axioms, youno.
[21:28:00] Chutt: opello, it's a nice case.
[21:29:00] Chutt: tricky to build, though, since a lot of power supplies don't have long enough cables
[21:29:00] Kazan: they're the SAME MODEL mike23skiddo2
[21:29:00] Kazan: different BATCHES
[21:29:00] Kazan: that's not "secretly different"
[21:29:00] Kazan: that's just selecting which ones are "OEM" and which ones are "RETAIL"
[21:30:00] opello: Chutt: i was looking at it for my next case
[21:30:00] mike23skiddo2: ok, im done, neither of us is going to change our minds.
[21:30:00] mike23skiddo2: and neither has any evidence, so it is over.
[21:30:00] Kazan: i have an industry source, whom if he was at his keyboard right now, would come in here and tell you himself
[21:31:00] opello: he must be off marking drives as retail or oem :)
[21:31:00] mike23skiddo2: lol
[21:31:00] Kazan: he doesn't work for maxtor anymore
[21:31:00] mike23skiddo2: so if i email maxtor and ask, would they lie to me, or tell me its true?
[21:31:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: almost certainly lie
[21:31:00] Kazan: when you email a company you get people answerable to the marketing department
[21:31:00] mike23skiddo2: ahhh, so the conspiracy continues
[21:32:00] mike23skiddo2: i bet the government is involved with this coverup.
[21:32:00] ** Kazan rolls his eyes are the usage of "conspiracy" as an attempt to dismiss his claim **
[21:32:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2 if you're going to make an arguement do not attempt to use underhanded insultive arguments
[21:32:00] mike23skiddo2: if you are going to make an arguement, bring more than just hearsay evidence.
[21:33:00] Kazan: a) it's common fucking sense a company wants to make it's biggest customers happy (for harddrive makers thats OEMs)
[21:33:00] opello: "anecdotal evidence"
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[21:33:00] Kazan: B) it's common fucking sense if you email a company you get someone who is answerable to the marketing department, which is going to have them not comment on anything that would remotely look bad
[21:33:00] mchou: mike23skiddo2: lol, "evidence" is too strong a word for what Kazan is spewing
[21:33:00] Chutt: oems don't give a damn. their warranty will be shorter than the harddrive one anyway
[21:34:00] Kazan: excuse me for nto having a signed affadavit mchou
[21:34:00] mike23skiddo2: yeah, retail usually comes with a warranty, oems usually come with nada from the HD company
[21:34:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: all the OEM packaged drives i've gotten came with warranties
[21:34:00] Kazan: ttyl.. i need to do some coding and my fiance is sending me messages
[21:34:00] Beirdo: he is
[21:34:00] Beirdo: ?
[21:35:00] Chutt: lol
[21:35:00] laga: *snicker*
[21:35:00] opello: heh
[21:35:00] mike23skiddo2: really? from maxtor does not offer an OEM warrany
[21:35:00] Beirdo: (hint: the female version has 2 "e"s)
[21:35:00] mike23skiddo2: you have to go to the place you bought it from, and they warranty it.
[21:36:00] mike23skiddo2: i dunno about other brands.
[21:36:00] laga: night.
[21:37:00] Kazan: did i say i bought maxtor drives?!
[21:37:00] Kazan: did i say i bought maxtor drives oem?
[21:37:00] Beirdo: did we say we cared?
[21:37:00] Kazan: yes i've bought maxtor drives, NO i didn't buy them OEM
[21:37:00] Kazan: so stick it mike23skiddo2
[21:37:00] mike23skiddo2: it is stuck
[21:38:00] mike23skiddo2: im done:) as i said, neither of us is going to change out minds, and neither of us have facts.
[21:40:00] Kazan: well my personal expirience with harddrive failures backs up ryans claim
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[21:41:00] Kazan: wb
[21:42:00] xris: mike23skiddo2: um, OEM drives are packaged with only the drive, retail drives get a box. warranties are often different, but the vendor rarely cares WHO you got the drive from. it's their warranty.
[21:42:00] xris: lately, OEM drives have a longer warranty than retail drives... pretty sure that seagate and WD are both 5 years.
[21:43:00] mike23skiddo2: i agree xris.
[21:44:00] ** xris wouldn't buy maxtor, anyway. they used to be decent, but not recently **
[21:44:00] mike23skiddo2: if i said something to lead you to believe i thought different, my bad. my opinion is the only difference between oem and retail is the box, some cables and software sometimes, and the warranty.
[21:44:00] Beirdo: and the price
[21:44:00] Kazan: xris aye, i've never liked maxtor
[21:45:00] mike23skiddo2: yah, price.
[21:45:00] xris: mike23skiddo2: I guess your "you have to go to the place you bought it from, and they warranty it" was specifically related to maxtor and not oem drives in general.
[21:45:00] mchou: price is generally cheaper retail if you include rebates.....
[21:45:00] Kazan: i've always been able to get drives cheaper online – always oem boxed
[21:46:00] xris: there are occasionally rebates on oem drives.. but yes... yet another reason to stick with drives that have the same warranty for both.
[21:46:00] mike23skiddo2: i said i didnt know about other oem drives. i know maxtor , if you contact them with an OEM serial number, theyll tell you to shove offf and call who you bought it from.
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[21:49:00] Juski: don't put anything 'desktop' in a PC that you leave running 24/7
[21:50:00] Kazan: mischan? :P
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[21:57:00] kormoc: Juski, ooh? why's that?
[21:57:00] Cardoe: hey kormoc
[21:57:00] kormoc: hihi
[21:57:00] Cardoe: and xris
[21:58:00] Cardoe: hahaha
[21:58:00] Cardoe: My roommate just got an awesome e-mail at work
[21:59:00] Cardoe: "We will be having fire alarm repairs from 8am until 4pm. If you smell smoke during this time, please call 911"
[22:01:00] Kazan: lol
[22:02:00] Beirdo: first check the toaster
[22:04:00] xris: Cardoe: huh?
[22:05:00] Cardoe: xris: I was saying hi
[22:05:00] xris: ok, just checking.
[22:05:00] xris: sort of out of it today. too many things going on (and I'm coding javascript, which always hurts my brain)
[22:06:00] Kazan: javascript
[22:06:00] Kazan: the pain
[22:06:00] Kazan: the pain
[22:07:00] Cardoe: yay!
[22:07:00] Cardoe: the Aria in the living room has booted!
[22:08:00] Kazan: ?
[22:08:00] Cardoe: Kazan: Aria is a case
[22:09:00] Cardoe: Aria with a Pegasos PPC board inside
[22:09:00] Kazan: ah
[22:09:00] Kazan: gotcha
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[22:10:00] Kazan: what's a good windows tv app (freeware if possible) – i have my bt 878 card in one of my extra windows PCs while i'm waiting for the money to build my mythbox
[22:11:00] Juski: DSCALER
[22:11:00] Beirdo: why would we know or care?
[22:11:00] Kazan: Beirdo: because some people dual boot
[22:11:00] Kazan: or used them before they got mythboxen
[22:11:00] Beirdo: that's hardly a myth support question is it?
[22:12:00] PatrickDK: heh, dual boot is so evil
[22:12:00] Krazylegz: I sense much anger in the Canadian.
[22:13:00] Beirdo: you ain't seen anger yet
[22:13:00] Kazan: Beirdo: i was in the channel so i asked a question that i figured a bunch of other TV nerds may have an answer to
[22:13:00] Kazan: and i got said answer
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[22:13:00] Chutt: you're already being annoying enough. don't push it.
[22:14:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: not when you're developing wxWidgets apps and need to test on both wxX11 and wxWin
[22:14:00] PatrickDK: hmm, having two machines would be so much better
[22:14:00] PatrickDK: so yes, it's still evil :)
[22:14:00] Kazan: i dual boot my laptop and bust out the swap drives on my desktop
[22:15:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I have, 1 winxp workstation, 1 winxp laptop, 1 linux laptop, 3 linux servers, and 5 freebsd servers
[22:15:00] Chutt: xris, did the site_header/footer stuff in trac change?
[22:16:00] xris: dunno
[22:17:00] xris: haven't messed with trac setup in ages
[22:17:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: i have three desktops and two laptops counting my fiances stuff+my stuff and not counting my work machine (Which is owned by the company)
[22:17:00] PatrickDK: oh, no, those are all my personal machines, bought and payed for
[22:17:00] Kazan: all three desktops are windows boxen (except when i swap out my linux drive in mine) my laptop dual boots, fiance (who is non-tech) uses windows
[22:17:00] PatrickDK: my freebsd machines are all down at a colo rack I own
[22:17:00] Kazan: dev box at work is linux
[22:18:00] Kazan: myactv.net?
[22:18:00] PatrickDK: home
[22:18:00] PatrickDK: cable modem
[22:18:00] Chutt: xris, just noticed i'm not getting the header on cvs.m.o
[22:18:00] PatrickDK: only thing available out here
[22:18:00] Kazan: ah
[22:19:00] PatrickDK: colo box are at patrickdk.com
[22:19:00] Kazan: gotcha
[22:19:00] Kazan: nice 403
[22:19:00] PatrickDK: heh, that is a fake 403
[22:19:00] Kazan: lol
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[22:20:00] PatrickDK: netblock is 66.36.239.64/26
[22:20:00] xris: Chutt: odd. thought it was there last I checked
[22:21:00] mike23skiddo2: hey patrick, you in frederick?
[22:21:00] PatrickDK: hagerstown, just moved up here a year ago
[22:21:00] xris: Chutt: should probably fix http://svn.mythtv.org/
[22:21:00] PatrickDK: before that I was in frederick, and gaithersburg
[22:21:00] Chutt: what about it?
[22:21:00] xris: odd.
[22:21:00] xris: it didn't work once.
[22:21:00] xris: now it works. nevermind.
[22:21:00] Chutt: oh, i was upgrading trac
[22:21:00] xris: ahh
[22:21:00] Chutt: i shut down apache when i do that
[22:21:00] Chutt: just in case someone's trying to edit a bug or some crap
[22:22:00] xris: Chutt: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/chrome/mythtv-logo.jpg
[22:22:00] mike23skiddo2: patrickdk: rogerthat , i used to live up there near frederick
[22:22:00] lwizardl: hmm
[22:22:00] Kazan: i take it all the +v and +os in here (except the bots) are devs?
[22:22:00] xris: something misconfigured
[22:22:00] PatrickDK: my colo is right across the street from tysons corner center
[22:23:00] PatrickDK: heh, they are nuts, have like 7gigabit backbone connection
[22:23:00] ** Beirdo fires a rocket and takes out both **
[22:23:00] PatrickDK: connected to 3 backbone providers, and a few peering centers
[22:23:00] xris: Kazan: nope
[22:23:00] Kazan: jeeze
[22:23:00] lwizardl: anyone here record from dish nework on mythtv setup?
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[22:23:00] xris: and who in here is +o?
[22:23:00] xris: lwizardl: yeah.
[22:23:00] Chutt: ah, they changed the path
[22:23:00] Kazan: chutt is marked oper on my screen
[22:23:00] Beirdo: Chutt is right now :)
[22:24:00] xris: oh. heh. scrolled off the top of the screen
[22:24:00] lwizardl: xris: using what?
[22:24:00] xris: lwizardl: be more specific
[22:24:00] Chutt: it's for easy access whenever i decide kazan's gotten too annoying to stand anymore
[22:24:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:24:00] lwizardl: xris: what capture card
[22:24:00] Kazan: you know chutt, you insulted me first and i've chosen to bite my tongue about it
[22:24:00] Kazan: i say we drop it and forget about it
[22:25:00] Beirdo: wise choice, Kazan
[22:25:00] Chutt: i insulted you?
[22:25:00] Chutt: heh
[22:25:00] ** Kazan sighs **
[22:25:00] dev-: insults? im full of them
[22:25:00] dev-: who needs insults?!
[22:25:00] Chutt: you argued with me, when i was clearly right =)
[22:25:00] Kazan: Chutt: and when the appropriate section of the law was quoted by signhe i admitted it
[22:26:00] Chutt: you could've just read it in the first place
[22:26:00] Kazan: i had
[22:26:00] Kazan: and i had missed that section
[22:27:00] Chutt: that was the only section dealing with content controls in the entire doc
[22:27:00] xris: lwizardl: pvr-150
[22:27:00] Kazan: that's what i get for using a keyword search in adobe acrobat
[22:27:00] Chutt: xris, weird – they moved it to /chrome/common/ instead of /chrome/
[22:27:00] Kazan: lwizardl: you can hook a mythbox up to anything you can emulate a remote to :D
[22:27:00] xris: Chutt: weird
[22:27:00] Kazan: brb
[22:27:00] Chutt: and of course it's just in htdocs/ on the filesystem
[22:28:00] Chutt: i need to change all the red links to blue ones sometime
[22:28:00] lwizardl: Kazan: so IR works in mythtv
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[22:29:00] lwizardl: what does the ir codes on mythtv
[22:29:00] xris: lwizardl: for transmit? nothing
[22:29:00] xris: you set mythtv to call an external channel change script.
[22:29:00] xris: google for "losdos mythtv"
[22:31:00] rocket: quick question.. does myth support copying shows from one backend to another?
[22:31:00] rocket: ie I have a backend in one location and would like to copy the show to a backend in another location but the link between the two is slow?
[22:32:00] Kazan: hey xris... if the tuners on your system have different capabilities (ie one can access digital channels) and the others cannot can myth tell the difference? (i assume so)
[22:32:00] xris: yes. you set up different listing sources
[22:33:00] Kazan: lwizardl: http://www.irblaster.info/
[22:33:00] Kazan: xris: gotcha
[22:33:00] xris: rocket: not on slow links, no.. but nuvexport has a raw sql/nuv export mode
[22:33:00] lwizardl: nice thanks
[22:33:00] xris: lwizardl: that losdos link will tell you exactly what to do to get dishnetwork working with myth.
[22:33:00] xris: and has a link to irblaster.info, too.
[22:34:00] rocket: xris: so I could do a nuv export and then a nuv import?
[22:35:00] xris: well, you import manually
[22:35:00] xris: but yeah, pretty much.
[22:35:00] xris: hmm, I should probably check that code to make sure that it still works with svn mythtv
[22:36:00] rocket: xris: does this sound like a decent feature request to have it be more automated?
[22:36:00] lwizardl: xris what dish network receiver you have? i only seen 302 (iirc)
[22:36:00] xris: rocket: it'll get turned down
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[22:37:00] xris: too easy to turn into an easy way to trade shows (which isn't particularly legal)
[22:37:00] xris: lwizardl: whatever one is listed on that site. dual tuner one.
[22:37:00] xris: it uses the jvc-raw codes
[22:37:00] rocket: hmm I see ..
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[22:38:00] xris: imho it's easier to just encode to xvid and transfer those (not quite legal to share those, either).. smaller files, etc.
[22:38:00] Hanzo: hello all anyone using pvr 250 model cards with svideo input ?
[22:38:00] rocket: I guess I was thinking of a different use for it .. ie in a corporate environment where we want different self made shows showing at different sites ..
[22:38:00] Hanzo: anyone using FreeBSD SVIDEO input from pvr250
[22:39:00] rocket: ok .. well thanks ..
[22:39:00] lwizardl: xris: ok i'm usings a 311 dish network receiver (not hd). but plan on upgrading monday
[22:39:00] Hanzo: i succeeded from Tuner
[22:39:00] lwizardl: and want to have all this worked out before i do
[22:39:00] Hanzo: but i could not get from svideo
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[22:43:00] Kazan: oh fun
[22:43:00] Kazan: i get to play with a googlebox
[22:44:00] Kazan: xris you do know that until the DVD of a tv show comes out it's legal to share it (what i've been told)
[22:45:00] mchou: oh lord.
[22:45:00] mike23skiddo2: i doubt that, youd be redistributing copyright information with no legal right to redistribute.
[22:45:00] rocket: mike23skiddo2: exactly ...
[22:45:00] mchou: Kazan is just just a font of knowledge
[22:45:00] mike23skiddo2: if that was true, when TNT did a made for tv movie, every network could steal it and reshow it after the first showing, until they release a dvd:)
[22:46:00] Kazan: mchou: notice i qualified that statement
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[22:46:00] mike23skiddo2: not that anyone would want to steal a TNT made for tv movie...but still.
[22:46:00] mchou: first drive factory seconds, than now sharing tvshows until dvds come out
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[22:46:00] Kazan: mchou: i siad "what i've been told"
[22:46:00] mike23skiddo2: people tell you lots of things.
[22:46:00] Kazan: mchou: i don't stand by the veracity of that statement
[22:46:00] mchou: Kazan: you've been told lots of shit apparently.
[22:47:00] Kazan: well considered there are people openly doing it on the one university network here and they're not getting C&D letters
[22:47:00] mchou: heh. So that's means its the right thing to do till they get caught, right?
[22:47:00] mike23skiddo2: they have nice sys admins evidently
[22:48:00] Kazan: no mchou that was not the statement i made
[22:48:00] Kazan: mike23skiddo2: the school never cared, but the RIAA managed to directly serve some students without asking the school
[22:48:00] mchou: Kazan: it might as well be
[22:48:00] Kazan: mchou: no
[22:48:00] xris: Kazan: you need distribution and/or rebroadcast rights to distribute any copyrighted medium
[22:48:00] Kazan: mchou: take intro to rhetorical logic
[22:49:00] mchou: Kazan: haha. yeah, your logic is impeccable
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[22:49:00] rocket: bleh this is stupid to argue about ... its not legal to do .. do it at your own peril ...
[22:49:00] xris: the only way to get those rights for tv stuff is to use c-band and pay the station that broadcasts the info (the same way that comcast can provide on-demand)
[22:49:00] Beirdo: Jeeez
[22:49:00] Kazan: xris: i was under the impression that sharing TV shows, before they're put on DVD, was protected in the same manner a friends sharing VHS tapes
[22:49:00] Beirdo: Kazan: any other stupid things you want to argue about?
[22:49:00] xris: Kazan: that's illegal, too.
[22:50:00] rocket: Kazan: sharing vhs isnt legal either .. its just not policed very heavily
[22:50:00] Kazan: xris: but never enforced
[22:50:00] xris: just no one bothers to go after anyone for it.
[22:50:00] Kazan: xris: more of a blue law
[22:50:00] mike23skiddo2: my friend at nasa told me we never landed on the moon.
[22:50:00] Beirdo: it is in some places
[22:50:00] Beirdo: just not in the US of repressed A
[22:50:00] mchou: mike23skiddo2: that's actually true! :)
[22:50:00] mike23skiddo2: i know, i just told you.
[22:50:00] Kazan: Beirdo: want to read what i'm actually typing and and i'm qualifying my statements with to show that i haven't looked these ones up and that i'm not standing by their veracity
[22:50:00] xris: mchou: yeah, no kidding. if they'd really landed on the moon, cheese would be SO much cheaper.
[22:50:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[22:51:00] rocket: Kazan: then stop posting about them ..
[22:51:00] Beirdo: why don't you try just not arguing for a while
[22:51:00] Kazan: rocket: when people act like asses and A) put words in my mouth and B) act like i didn't qualify the statement it's rather annoying
[22:51:00] mchou: this dude Kazan does sound like a 12 yr. old
[22:52:00] ** Krazylegz kicks air **
[22:52:00] mike23skiddo2: anyone use mythgame, xmame with the output of the pvr-350?
[22:52:00] Kazan: mchou: yep, a 12 year old that knows more about about formal and rhetorical logic than you it seems
[22:53:00] mchou: Kazan: so you admit your age?
[22:53:00] mike23skiddo2: ie: did i misconfigure something with xmame, or does it not support the framebuffer in any way?
[22:53:00] Kazan: if you would like to continue setting up straw men arguments and using argumentum ad hominem please by all means be my guest
[22:53:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ivtv 0.3.x doesn't work with the new 2.6.14-rx kernels, fyi
[22:53:00] Kazan: mchou: i admit my age is 21
[22:53:00] rocket: Kazan: just because you say someone told me this .. doesnt mean we were poutting any words in your mouth. We simply said its not legal .. and you are getting defensive about it ..
[22:53:00] rocket: err putting
[22:53:00] Kazan: mchou: i was born Dec 25 1983 in cedar rapids, iowa at 3:43 AM central time at St Lukes Hospital
[22:53:00] Beirdo: you poor bastard
[22:54:00] Kazan: go look it up if you don't believe me
[22:54:00] mchou: haha, a corn husker
[22:54:00] Beirdo: a pig fscker
[22:54:00] Kazan: corn husker is nebraska
[22:54:00] mchou: Beirdo: that too :)
[22:54:00] Kazan: pig fscker is also nebraska
[22:54:00] xris: Beirdo: that better be an xfs pig
[22:54:00] Beirdo: my cousins lived in Cedar Rapids forever
[22:54:00] Kazan: lol xris
[22:54:00] Kazan: Beirdo: really?
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[22:59:00] mike23skiddo2: slashdot running an article on google having a job posting for googletv, sounds PVR like.
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[23:01:00] Beirdo: oooh, slashdot, the paragon of true information
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[23:02:00] mike23skiddo2: well, its points to a job posting on google jobs.
[23:02:00] Beirdo: bunch of stupid bored geeks
[23:02:00] mike23skiddo2: so, i should say, google is posting a job looking for a product manager for something they are calling "googletv"
[23:03:00] Kazan: ok beirdo
[23:04:00] Kazan: insulting slashdot is just moronic
[23:04:00] Kazan: they're a bloody news site
[23:05:00] Beirdo: no they aren't
[23:05:00] Beirdo: and haven't been for years
[23:05:00] mike23skiddo2: i like slashdot, but the comments do have a very high signal to noise ratio, and they are mostly bored stupid geeks:)
[23:05:00] xris: Kazan: you're not serious, right?
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[23:05:00] PatrickDK: I refuse to look at slashdot since 1998
[23:05:00] Kazan: they have some alarmist stories from time to time (getting worse the last month or two) but generally they link to good info
[23:06:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: why
[23:06:00] PatrickDK: nothing good/interesting, too much flaming
[23:06:00] kormoc: Kazan, most of the authors post crap, the submissions tend to be good, but the editors tend to ruin them.
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[23:06:00] Kazan: kormoc: i'll agree with that
[23:06:00] Kazan: taco isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
[23:07:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: so don't read the comments?
[23:07:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: run with your karma-filter high?
[23:07:00] kormoc: so with that in mind, it's hard to consider them a news site when the editors screw things up.
[23:07:00] Kazan: PatrickDK: flamers get modded down fairly fast
[23:07:00] mike23skiddo2: anyone here using the pvr-350 tv output?
[23:07:00] PatrickDK: kazan, I think I said, nothing good/interesting
[23:07:00] PatrickDK: not just flaming
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[23:08:00] PatrickDK: I never ever read the comments, even when I did read it
[23:08:00] Kazan: kormoc: they information still gets through
[23:08:00] xris: it's hard to consider them a "news" site when they're always 2–14 days late on actual news.
[23:08:00] PatrickDK: and if there is nothing I'm interested in posted, why should I read what I'm not interested in?
[23:08:00] Kazan: xris: so who to you like?
[23:09:00] xris: Kazan: didn't say I don't read /. ... but I get most of my tech news from engadget and friends in the industry.
[23:09:00] Kazan: ah
[23:09:00] kormoc: Kazan, I tend to read Ars Technica, Boing Boing, Engadget, Fark, The Reg, and Gizmodo
[23:10:00] Kazan: um
[23:10:00] Kazan: i just pulled up engadget
[23:10:00] Kazan: it's an add-fest
[23:10:00] PatrickDK: fark and the reg is what most people I know use these days
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[23:10:00] Kazan: fark has a huge signal/noise ratio
[23:10:00] xris: Kazan: yup. sucks. well, unless you have adblock installed. doesn't make their info any less, well, relevant.
[23:11:00] Kazan: xris: i have adblock.. but looking at that i'd have to daily add new blocks
[23:11:00] xris: you need to learn to be better with pattern matching
[23:11:00] Kazan: any of you have totalfark accounts?
[23:11:00] kormoc: fark is just funny
[23:11:00] Kazan: xris: you didn't get my statement
[23:11:00] kormoc: Kazan, rss feeds are the best
[23:11:00] Kazan: xris: when i block an add i block the domain :D
[23:11:00] ** xris wishes that addblock supported perlre **
[23:11:00] kormoc: no ads, no filters to throw up
[23:12:00] xris: Kazan: that's silly.. too many domains have good and bad stuff.
[23:12:00] Kazan: xris: um... any domain that is serving the adds doesn't have anything i want
[23:12:00] xris: google?
[23:12:00] Kazan: google is the only adds i don't block
[23:12:00] Kazan: because they're not very intrusive
[23:12:00] xris: a lot of sites have site/somepath/ads/whatever... with good stuf in another path.
[23:14:00] Kazan: most of the adds that annoy me and get blocked are from full-time adservers
[23:14:00] xris: yes
[23:14:00] xris: anyway, engadget isn't bad... most of their random content looks like ads but is legit content.
[23:16:00] Kazan: seems to be mostly concerned with gadgets (As the name implies) which i don't care to read about normally
[23:16:00] Kazan: if the gadget is cool enough to concern me it'll get on fark and /.
[23:16:00] Kazan: bud i don't give a rats arse about the latest greatest cellphone
[23:16:00] xris: thus the other half for me.. "friends in the industry"
[23:17:00] Kazan: aye
[23:17:00] Kazan: my network of connections isn't large enough yet
[23:17:00] xris: hardware news I get from the sales guys upstairs (who know about new procs and hard drives LONG before the info is public), most other random stuff from people here and sysadmin friends at places like livejournal.
[23:18:00] hfghfh: why is myth so hard to get working, I mean why can I record and watch recorded material when livetv just stops after a second. I can even watch recordings while they are recorded. but livetv is a no no
[23:18:00] xris: hfghfh: odd
[23:18:00] Kazan: that sounds like a performance issue
[23:18:00] kormoc: performance would be skippy recording and all that, not it won't play at all
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[23:19:00] hfghfh: yes, its really annoying
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[23:19:00] Kazan: some systems could handle simple encoding.. but i thought myth buffers to disk while playing back
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[23:19:00] mike23skiddo2: hfghfh: do you know if the frontend or backend give you any errors when livetv stops?
[23:20:00] kormoc: Kazan, myth records to disk as well, no difference between performance requirements for live tv, or to record and playback at the same time
[23:20:00] hfghfh: the backend only shows a disconnect but the frontend says
[23:20:00] hfghfh: Remote encoder not responding.
[23:20:00] hfghfh: X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[23:20:00] hfghfh: Major opcode: 141
[23:20:00] hfghfh: Minor opcode: 14
[23:20:00] hfghfh: Resource id: 0x1a1
[23:20:00] hfghfh: 2005-09–22 19:58:37.867 Couldn't get the color key color, and we need it.
[23:21:00] mchou: Chutt: the option "start comm flag when recording starts", does that include HW encoders, or does it only apply to SW encoders?
[23:22:00] hfghfh: the thing is that the color key message even show up when i watch recorded materials but there it works without problems
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[23:23:00] mike23skiddo2: hfghfh: there is a post on mythtvtalk.com that claims to have a solution to that problem...
[23:23:00] mike23skiddo2: they blaim they did the modprobe ivtv before the backend started
[23:23:00] mike23skiddo2: and that fixed it.
[23:23:00] mike23skiddo2: er claim'
[23:24:00] hfghfh: yes but that does not work, and the last conclusion that ivtv ha to be started before mythfrontend is so obvius that it shouldnt have been mentioned
[23:24:00] hfghfh: mythbackend i meant
[23:25:00] mike23skiddo2: okie, just telling that two people claim that it was the solution to that problem for them.
[23:25:00] Juski: levon: you around tonight?
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[23:26:00] Juski: daft question time... if I wanted to submit a patch to mythtv, how would I go about it?
[23:26:00] hfghfh: yes but not for med, doesnt matter if the audio buffering is disabled or not. And ivtv is offcourse started before mythbackend or else mythbackend would not have found the encoder devices at all
[23:28:00] Juski: should I just post in the devs mailing list?
[23:28:00] mike23skiddo2: hfghfh: that does sound logical, but i believe i had an issue when i first did a myth install where i started mythbackend, then loaded the ivtv directly after (or soon after) and it caused issues...YMMV
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[23:31:00] hfghfh: its just that i dont know what more to try. what i dont get is the difference between what livetv does and what for instance mplayer does. or why i can watch recorded materials
[23:33:00] hfghfh: im greatfull for all the help i can get. and all you guys in here have so far been fantastic in that respect
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[23:39:00] mike23skiddo2: hfghfh: if you just dd /dev/video to your /dev/video16, does that part work?
[23:40:00] hfghfh: how do mean
[23:41:00] hfghfh: should i set up myth to use /video16 as an input and then copy everything from /dev/video0 to 16
[23:43:00] mike23skiddo2: someone correct me if im wrong, but i think you can do.... "ivtvfbvtl /dev/fb1 -noglobalalpha -localalpha" change the /dev/fb1 to whatever framebuffer that you are using... then "dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 bs=64k" putting the correct /dev/video0 as whatever your card is
[23:43:00] mike23skiddo2: and that will stream from /dev/videoX to the framebuffer...
[23:43:00] mike23skiddo2: well...i guess that has to be working or he wouldnt be getting recordings...hmmm
[23:44:00] mike23skiddo2: im a mythtv newbie, so i might not be of much help:)
[23:44:00] mike23skiddo2: for my pvr-350, i followed the wisonet.com howto, and for the most part worked.
[23:44:00] hfghfh: i have no problem with just mplayer /dev/video and then i will see "live" tv
[23:44:00] mike23skiddo2: oh ok
[23:44:00] mike23skiddo2: so its just when the backend is running it
[23:45:00] hfghfh: so what would be the difference
[23:45:00] mike23skiddo2: i know its illogical, but did you actually try modprobe ivtv before mythbackend starts?
[23:46:00] hfghfh: yes, only in the frontend and then only in livetv mode. i can watch "live"tv in myth i first choose to record the show and then views the same recording while its recording
[23:46:00] mike23skiddo2: yah, i guess your are going to need someone who knows more than me, sorry!
[23:47:00] kormoc: hfghfh, what distro?
[23:48:00] hfghfh: fc4 i386
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[23:49:00] kormoc: hfghfh, I'd start reinstalling mythtv and all it's deps then, just to make sure you're are correctly done
[23:49:00] mike23skiddo2: im actually doing a fresh fedora core 4 install on a new box with a pvr-350 ATM, maybe ill run into it:)
[23:49:00] hfghfh: i have tried fc4 x86_64 too but there i couldnt even start the frontend whithout a segfault
[23:51:00] Kazan: remove all your myth rpms
[23:51:00] Kazan: compile from scratch
[23:51:00] hfghfh: I'm on my 5:th reinstall now
[23:51:00] Kazan: all rpms?
[23:51:00] xris: Kazan: easier said than done on 64 bit fedora
[23:51:00] Kazan: he's on i386
[23:51:00] xris: hfghfh: you up to trying the svn version?
[23:51:00] Kazan: he said he tried 64
[23:52:00] hfghfh: i have only tried the atrpms rpms so far
[23:52:00] Kazan: a "yum search mythtv" comes up with hits on atrpms for 0.18.1–113.rhfc4.at
[23:52:00] Kazan: (i have my yum configured with the fedorafaq repositories)
[23:52:00] Kazan: hfghfh erase your rpm install
[23:52:00] Kazan: compile from source
[23:53:00] xris: hfghfh: atrpms *should* work... I can give you my specfiles for svn that'll let you build packages of svn myth
[23:53:00] kormoc: Kazan, likly, with a x error like that, it's a qt/x issue anyway.
[23:53:00] kormoc: hence why I said to do the deps
[23:53:00] mike23skiddo2: its not an x issue is it, video works outside of mythtv
[23:53:00] hfghfh: ok, does the subversion repository contain any spec files or have you created your own
[23:54:00] mike23skiddo2: it only doesnt work inside mythtv
[23:54:00] kormoc: mike23skiddo2, right, myth dies on tring to create the livetv window, with a x error.
[23:54:00] xris: my own, based on atrpms ones but FAR FAR cleaner
[23:54:00] hfghfh: true mike. every thing, i mean every thing except livetv works
[23:54:00] kormoc: mike23skiddo2, so why couldn't that be a qt/x issue?
[23:54:00] mike23skiddo2: yeah, but outside of myth, mplayer works fine?
[23:54:00] hfghfh: yes mplayer works
[23:55:00] mike23skiddo2: it very well could, im a mythtv newbie, i bow to superior knowledge, it just seems like x can play the live video fine, so its a myth issue
[23:55:00] Kazan: sometimes i love to hate synergy
[23:55:00] Kazan: kormoc: gotcha
[23:56:00] Kazan: hfghfh are you using KDE or Gnome?
[23:56:00] xris: hfghfh: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/ grab all of the specs, and update.pl
[23:56:00] hfghfh: gnome, but kde is installed since myth uses it
[23:56:00] xris: mkdir svn_myth
[23:56:00] xris: check out svn myth /trunk to svn_myth/trunk
[23:56:00] xris: and place update.pl into svn_myth
[23:56:00] kormoc: mike23skiddo2, well, the thing is, there's a ton of ways to play video, mplayer could be playing it with xshm, and it could only be a issue with xvmc. you just can't really say, cause x plays video, it'll play in y.
[23:56:00] xris: then ./update (to get latest, and update specs with the appropriate timestamp
[23:57:00] mike23skiddo2: kormoc: you are correct. is there a way from the command line to dupicate what mythtv does for live tv? i have never looked at the code.
[23:57:00] kormoc: mike23skiddo2, mythtv runs the livetv module iirc
[23:57:00] Kazan: i still think he should have tried playing it in Xine with XV
[23:57:00] hfghfh: what compiler version should i use, gcc 401 or 32
[23:58:00] kormoc: mike23skiddo2, i.e. if you just type mythtv
[23:58:00] Kazan: 3x i think
[23:58:00] kormoc: Kazan, xv likly works, given the recorded shows play fine.
[23:58:00] Kazan: xv works but xvmc doesn't? /boggle
[23:58:00] kormoc: hfghfh, likly 3.x unless you're running glibc build with 4.x
[23:58:00] Kazan: (of course i haven't programmed with either)
[23:58:00] Kazan: time for me to head out
[23:59:00] mike23skiddo2: in probably 30 -60 minutes or so im going to be at that part of my fedora core 4 install on an SMP box, shall see if i have any issues
[23:59:00] hfghfh: mike, mythtv stops after a second
[23:59:00] hfghfh: basically the the problem is whith mythtv

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