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[00:27:00] Twiggy: Hey is there a way to chcek if your myth build has lirc support built in? I'm using ubuntu packages, so I'm not 100% sure if it was or not
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[00:36:00] Bio: check to see if /etc/init.d/lirc exists?
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[00:44:00] Twiggy: Bio: that does
[00:45:00] Twiggy: Bio: But I installed lirc separately so that's a given, I'm having issues runnign irxevent so I'm trying to just use the lirc support built into mythtv
[00:45:00] Twiggy: because I should be able to have the command set in my lircrc to mythtv right?
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[01:04:00] cosmo_: so, assuming I wanted to tune into the tuner card from an external program......are there any that support translucency?
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[01:22:00] Ryushin: How to I tell myth which card to use as default when I click watch tv? I have a PVR-350 and a HD-3000 card. Also, is there a way to configure Myth to use XvMC for the HD-3000 card and not for the PVR-350 card?
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[01:23:00] Ryushin: BTW, I just got HD working today. Yippie for me.
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[01:28:00] rtsai: Ryushin: I think XvMC is for output, and does not factor into recording stuff.
[01:29:00] Ryushin: Right. But Using XvMC sucks for more PVR-350 card, but I need it for my HD-3000.
[01:38:00] guitar256: is there a good reason why /sbin/init 3 doesn't work on a fresh install?
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[01:57:00] joat: how do I delete all the channels / program guides from the database without nuking the whole thing
[01:57:00] joat: I found a page that suggested some steps, then a drop table programs; but it complains that 'programs' is an unknown table
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[02:14:00] joat: victory!
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[02:37:00] xris: Chutt: so much for mythmusic working for me. I try to play music and it dies.
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[02:46:00] mchou: xris: you have a 150 mce, right?
[02:50:00] ** NightBird has a 150 mce **
[02:50:00] NightBird: it works fine
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[02:55:00] lmsalter: i get an error mpegvideo.c ff_copy_bits extended registers have no high halves
[02:56:00] mchou: NightBird: do me a favor? what rev is yours in ivtv output in dmesg?
[02:58:00] xris: mchou: yes
[02:58:00] mchou: I bought a mystery hauppage encoder card for $13
[02:59:00] mchou: it looks exactly like a pvr150 mce, except no radio.
[02:59:00] mchou: it doesnt look like the retail version of 150......
[02:59:00] mchou: no remote plug......
[02:59:00] mchou: the code name is "Amity 2"
[03:00:00] mchou: I hope it doesnt turn into the Amity horror :)
[03:00:00] mchou: has an LG tuner.....
[03:01:00] mchou: cant install in my myth BE cause its recording something atm
[03:03:00] mchou: xris: what's the tuner type for yours?
[03:03:00] xris: mchou: odd
[03:03:00] xris: 47, I think
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[03:05:00] mchou: hopefully this is not the blackbird design or some such
[03:06:00] xris: yeah
[03:06:00] xris: that'd suck
[03:06:00] xris: well, except that it was only $13
[03:06:00] mchou: If it does work I'm gonna go back and pick up another one.
[03:07:00] xris: heh
[03:07:00] mchou: on the web it seems amity 2 is the hauppauge cinetrnal code name for the 150MCE
[03:07:00] mchou: internal*
[03:07:00] xris: I want more HD now.. although I still haven't found a way to get nuvexport to deal with it.
[03:07:00] mchou: bah, why export?
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[03:08:00] mchou: watch and delete man :)
[03:08:00] xris: my wife likes to keep stuff like stargate around
[03:08:00] xris: and rewatch
[03:08:00] xris: not to mention stuff like good eats
[03:08:00] xris: want to archive some pbs cooking shows but can't because nuvexport won't work.
[03:09:00] xris: dunno what the problem is, either... going through mythtranscode should solve any file-format issues.
[03:09:00] mchou: not in HD you dont :)
[03:09:00] xris: ?
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[03:10:00] mchou: filesize too big :)
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[03:10:00] xris: thus, nuvexport down to SD
[03:10:00] mchou: bah, just record the SD stream :)
[03:11:00] mchou: less fuss and muss all around :)
[03:11:00] xris: no SD stream
[03:11:00] mchou: huh??
[03:11:00] mchou: good eats is only shown in HD?
[03:11:00] xris: local pbs station here has one SD stream and 4 or so HD
[03:11:00] xris: no, not good eats
[03:11:00] xris: other cooking shows
[03:11:00] xris: no HD at all for good eats (or any of my dishnetwork stuff)
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[03:14:00] mchou: heh, it's definitely not a blackbird according to the chips on the board.......
[03:15:00] Cowman: hey anyone familliar with the debian binary installation?
[03:15:00] mchou: heh, cool, it's not a roslyn either....
[03:15:00] Cowman: I think the debian archive got changed and now the binaries for myth are broken
[03:16:00] mchou: bah, compile from source
[03:16:00] Cowman: I'm close to going for that... I like using apt though since normally it takes care of any dependancy issues
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[03:33:00] mchou: I replaced all the caps on my mobo yesterday.......
[03:34:00] vladg: hello. i can't get the x-server to start with my pvr-350
[03:34:00] mchou: the thermistor must be screwed up now cause lm_sensors is giving temps under 45 degree C :0
[03:34:00] vladg: i've searched online a lot, tried a lot of different things, but still no luck
[03:36:00] vladg: here is the output of startx: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EWBwfr45.nln.html
[03:36:00] mchou: lol
[03:36:00] mchou: it's simple
[03:37:00] mchou: recompile ivtv and remove all older versions on ivtv on your system.
[03:37:00] mchou: you most likely need to load fbdev too
[03:37:00] vladg: how would i remove all older versions?
[03:38:00] mchou: find them and delete them.
[03:38:00] mchou: simple
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[03:39:00] mchou: I wonder if I should go to BK.....
[03:39:00] mchou: in the mood for some grease.....
[03:39:00] vladg: sigh... ok, will give it a shot.
[03:39:00] vladg: is it ok if fbdev is compiled into my kernel, as opposed to being a module?
[03:40:00] mchou: try modules first
[03:40:00] mchou: monolithic gest funky sometimes with udev, etc.
[03:41:00] mchou: plus you really dont want to rebbot if ivtv goes haywire on ya, do you?
[03:42:00] mchou: reboot*
[03:43:00] vladg: yeah...
[03:43:00] vladg: anyway, thanks for all your help mchou
[03:43:00] vladg: off to fight some more with it!
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[03:51:00] lwizardl: hi
[03:52:00] lwizardl: would questions about scripts in mythtv be for this channel or the dev channel
[03:52:00] lwizardl: ?
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[03:53:00] travolta: probably here
[03:53:00] lwizardl: ok
[03:54:00] lwizardl: is the channel guide info that mythtv pulls saved to hd?
[03:55:00] travolta: yes
[03:55:00] travolta: i think in a mysql database
[03:55:00] travolta: or xml file
[03:55:00] travolta: but for sure on hd
[03:57:00] lwizardl: ok so would it bepossible to create a script that say like every day at 4:00am saves the shows info (name, ep, time, repeat, etc) to a database like file
[03:58:00] travolta: a cron job to run myhtfilldatabase or in mythtv options
[03:58:00] lwizardl: so yes possible
[03:59:00] lwizardl: ?
[03:59:00] travolta: yes
[03:59:00] lwizardl: great
[03:59:00] travolta: thats how everyone is doing it most likely
[03:59:00] travolta: it's in the doc s
[04:00:00] lwizardl: well I want to have it do that becuase I'm building a TV Episode list site (think old tvtome)
[04:00:00] lwizardl: and want to have the lists for each days setup
[04:00:00] travolta: dont know about tvtome
[04:01:00] lwizardl: haven't installed mythtv yet. still tying to find hardware
[04:01:00] lwizardl: tvtome became tv.com and the new design is horrible and slow to load (stupid cnet)
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[04:04:00] thechris: i've got what seems to be a mythtv issues
[04:04:00] thechris: mythtv seems to just stop transmitting video periodically during playback of mpegs
[04:04:00] thechris: or rather .nuv files...
[04:05:00] thechris: at first i thought it was an issue with my NICs, but ifconfig -a shows 0 dropped packets and 0 other errors
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[04:06:00] thechris: during playback the link seems to be fairly constant at 600kB/s
[04:07:00] thechris: but then drops to 0
[04:07:00] thechris: then resumes at 600kB/s
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[04:19:00] mchou: hot damn!
[04:20:00] mchou: $13 HW encoder works!
[04:20:00] mchou: better than my pvr150 retail!
[04:21:00] joat: one-off purchase, or a buy from a clearance house?
[04:21:00] joat: i.e. can I get one? :)
[04:21:00] mchou: one off
[04:22:00] mchou: but it's fantastic.
[04:22:00] mchou: it's a hauppauge "mystery" card.
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[04:23:00] mchou: but the layout is almost exactly the same as my pvr150 retail (sane exact PCB, differenct connectors and tuner)
[04:23:00] mchou: same*
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[04:37:00] h3x: Hi, the PVR-150 (not 250 or 350).. which one do I select in the setup
[04:37:00] PatrickDK: probably either an older pvr150 or maybe a pvr250
[04:38:00] h3x: i notice theres MPEG-2 Encoder (PVR-250/350)
[04:38:00] h3x: but no 150
[04:38:00] PatrickDK: pvr250/350
[04:38:00] h3x: or do i choose Standard VFL
[04:38:00] h3x: hmm ok
[04:38:00] h3x: do i really need 4 partitions for mythtv?
[04:38:00] h3x: can't I just have / and swap (and maybe mythtv)
[04:38:00] h3x: ?
[04:39:00] h3x: i have windows xp pro, and i dont want to hurt it
[04:39:00] PatrickDK: sure you can
[04:39:00] h3x: can i do this with knoppmyth since its easy?
[04:39:00] PatrickDK: though you just run the risk of filling up the partition and having your programs going nuts
[04:39:00] h3x: i know auto install will wipe the drive clean
[04:39:00] h3x: ok whats the max. partitions i can have on an HDD?
[04:40:00] h3x: 3?
[04:40:00] h3x: or 4?
[04:40:00] h3x: maybe 5?
[04:40:00] h3x: :s
[04:40:00] PatrickDK: hmm, something like around 32 or so
[04:40:00] h3x: jesus
[04:40:00] PatrickDK: you can have 4 physical partitions
[04:40:00] h3x: ok well i have NTFS (winxp) has one part already
[04:40:00] h3x: so i can create 3 more?
[04:40:00] PatrickDK: but you can make those logical partitions
[04:40:00] h3x: what 3 would those be
[04:40:00] PatrickDK: and each logical can have atleast 8 inside it
[04:40:00] h3x: other than / and swap
[04:41:00] h3x: mythtv?
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: I would let windows install normal on one partition
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: then make a logical partition
[04:41:00] h3x: its already installed
[04:41:00] h3x: im using it right now
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: heh
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: well, make a logical partition
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: then create all your linux stuff inside of it
[04:41:00] h3x: what would the logical partition be for?
[04:41:00] h3x: what would the logical partition be for?
[04:41:00] h3x: whoops
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: LINUX
[04:41:00] h3x: "/"
[04:41:00] h3x: ?
[04:41:00] h3x: root
[04:41:00] PatrickDK: everything linux related
[04:42:00] PatrickDK: swap, /, ...
[04:42:00] h3x: well knoppmyth wipes drive and makes /, swap, cache and mythtv
[04:42:00] PatrickDK: then if you want, you leave 2 main partitions free for other crap
[04:42:00] PatrickDK: if needed
[04:42:00] h3x: can knopp myth partition drives without wiping them out?
[04:42:00] h3x: like i have this NTFS partition for instance
[04:42:00] h3x: don't want to hurt it :p
[04:42:00] h3x: so
[04:42:00] PatrickDK: I have no idea
[04:42:00] h3x: i see..
[04:42:00] PatrickDK: I don't use knopp
[04:42:00] h3x: hmm
[04:43:00] h3x: ill give it a shot
[04:43:00] h3x: thanks
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[04:45:00] PatrickDK: hmm, found a nice backend server motherboard :)
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[04:49:00] Cowman: ok, I can't get the debian packages to install, can't get it building manually so I guess I need help
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[04:50:00] Cowman: make runs for about 5 seconds and spits out some errors
[04:51:00] Cowman: anywhere I can paste the output as to not flood the channel?
[04:55:00] joat: rafb.net/nopaste is a good pastebin
[04:57:00] DarkBeer: when I press the menu button on my remote while watching live tv, it seems to take about 10–15 seconds before the menu is finally up. it starts to show, then the live tv gets real choppy, and eventually the menu comes up. I'm assuming this is something I can fix?
[04:57:00] DarkBeer: (pvr350 for encoder, nvidia fx5200 for playback, 3 ghz processor, 1 gig ram)
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[05:05:00] Ryushin: Okay, sound is skipping now. What device should I point myth to for alsa. /dev/dsp is for oss.
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[05:07:00] h3x: how do you edit LILO to dual-boot XP and MythTV
[05:07:00] de-v: DarkBeer: should be something you could fix, thats more powerful than my backend.. and mine has dual tuners heh
[05:07:00] h3x: im going to use KnoppMyth and XP
[05:07:00] de-v: h3x: wrong channel.
[05:07:00] h3x: not wrong channel
[05:07:00] h3x: its relevant to MythTV
[05:08:00] de-v: heh thats something you can find on google with 10seconds of searching..
[05:08:00] h3x: :(
[05:08:00] de-v: besides, lilo is so 99, why arent you useing grub?
[05:08:00] PatrickDK: hmm, using xv is alot better than using gl for mplayer
[05:09:00] PatrickDK: I still can't get mythtv to use xvmc though
[05:11:00] mchou: lol, lilo is the bomb.
[05:11:00] mchou: beats grub any day of the week :)
[05:11:00] juski_beer: PatrickDK: you tried the settings for TV playback in mythfrontend to enable xvmc?
[05:11:00] de-v: mchou: whys that? out of curiousity :)
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[05:12:00] PatrickDK: yes
[05:12:00] juski_beer: jees – it's 4:10 in the A.M... best go to bed!
[05:12:00] PatrickDK: there is just a checkbox for enable xvmc
[05:12:00] Cowman: ok, here is what I'm getting when I try to compile myth http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZI8pfK28.html
[05:12:00] h3x01A4: de-v: because knoppmyth only comes with LILO
[05:12:00] juski_beer: bit pie-eyed right now Patrick ;-)
[05:12:00] mchou: de-v: cause you can boot text :)
[05:12:00] PatrickDK: heh
[05:12:00] juski_beer: must sleep or I'll give bad advice lol
[05:12:00] de-v: mchou: you can take out the splash screen in grub heh
[05:12:00] PatrickDK: ya, I have been playing with this, install nvidia drivers
[05:12:00] de-v: thats so not a good reason heh.
[05:12:00] juski_beer: night all
[05:12:00] PatrickDK: those are working with X11
[05:13:00] de-v: im enjoy not having to rewrite my mbr everytime i make a change
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[05:13:00] mchou: de-v: and kernel parameters......
[05:13:00] PatrickDK: but mythtv never says it's using xvmc
[05:13:00] de-v: or "woops, i forgot to" and havent an unbootable box
[05:13:00] de-v: mchou: easy, hit "E" and edit the kernel line
[05:13:00] de-v: heh
[05:13:00] de-v: s/havent/have
[05:13:00] de-v: grub is much more flexible
[05:14:00] de-v: but i guess thats why every linux distro uses it as its default bootloader now heh
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[05:15:00] Cowman: I like lilo...
[05:16:00] Cowman: but everyting comes with grub now
[05:16:00] de-v: because its better heh
[05:16:00] Cowman: not sure what's so much better about it, they both accomplish the same thing
[05:17:00] de-v: biggest thing is if you fuck up, its alot easier to recover
[05:17:00] de-v: dont always need a bootdisk heh
[05:17:00] cosmo_: its grand and unified......wish it bootloaded my ass out of bed every day
[05:17:00] Cowman: ok so I'm just upset because I memorized how to write lilo.conf and I always have to look up the syntax for menu.lst  :P
[05:18:00] de-v: my hand is halfnumb from playing burnout
[05:18:00] de-v: jesus that game pwns me heh.
[05:18:00] Cowman: anyone have any idea about my compiling error?
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[05:18:00] de-v: but nfs:most wanted will be better.
[05:19:00] de-v: hrm, thats a good one./
[05:19:00] snerfu: Against better judgement I bought a WD drive, but it was cheap for 320 gig, and the local place will warranty it for a year, which is twice as long as I expect it to live.
[05:20:00] Cowman: what consumer drive is gonna be any better than WD though?
[05:20:00] de-v: seagate
[05:20:00] joat: anything else?
[05:20:00] Cowman: seagate is crap
[05:20:00] de-v: nothing id recommend
[05:20:00] joat: seagate is just as cheap, and still better than WD
[05:20:00] de-v: we burned through ibm, wd, fujitsu
[05:20:00] de-v: you name it, we used it
[05:20:00] snerfu: I like seagate.
[05:21:00] de-v: few thousand servers, have seen hundreds of drives go poof
[05:21:00] mchou: segate is junky???
[05:21:00] Cowman: I've had 2 of them fail in the past month
[05:21:00] de-v: seagate barracudas, the ide ones, are the best
[05:21:00] joat: I've never had a seagate drive die
[05:21:00] de-v: just from my own personal experience though.
[05:21:00] Cowman: I've had good luck with IBM/hitachi
[05:21:00] joat: had two WD's die, and another got killed via static
[05:21:00] joat: had one maxtor die
[05:21:00] Cowman: yeah personal experience is kind of a YMMV thing
[05:21:00] snerfu: i have probably been through 5 WD drives in 3 years
[05:21:00] de-v: personal experience at datapipe.com
[05:21:00] Cowman: I only have had one WD fail in the past 3 or 4 years
[05:22:00] de-v: i worked support there for a few years, repairing busted servers heh
[05:22:00] de-v: stay away from ibms, stay farrrr away :)
[05:22:00] de-v: i use seagates in *all* of my boxes at home because of what ive seen at datapipe heh
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[05:22:00] joat: you know they're quality when they coin the phrase click of death
[05:22:00] Cowman: I have bad luck with 'em
[05:22:00] snerfu: I use a seagate for my main HD too.
[05:23:00] snerfu: this one will be for my /video partition. The WD that is.
[05:23:00] Cowman: I think my house probably has a huge EM field around it from all the electronics here
[05:23:00] Ryushin: How do I tell myth to use the other tuner?
[05:24:00] de-v: Ryushin: i think you weight it difference in myth-setup
[05:24:00] de-v: but im not sure, i have mine auto select (but i know you're doing some hd thing vs regular)
[05:24:00] de-v: different, ugh, hand still numb heh
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[05:25:00] Ryushin: Okay. I've done that. But I can't seem to change it to the pvr-350.
[05:25:00] Ryushin: And I can only get two hd stations.  :)
[05:25:00] de-v: interesting ;)
[05:25:00] de-v: i dont think you can set it up on a "choose which tuner to watch this channel on today" kind of thing
[05:25:00] Ryushin: Oh, btw, HD is working with XvMC, and I'm running about 30% cpu to watch HD.
[05:25:00] de-v: but i could be wrong. im fairly new to the myth game.
[05:26:00] de-v: what kind of processor?
[05:26:00] Cowman: here's a tip to all from my personal experience: put a UPS on your mythbox
[05:26:00] de-v: of course
[05:26:00] Ryushin: Sempron 64 2600+. It's a 1.6 ghz that I have overclocked to 1.8.
[05:26:00] PatrickDK: ryushin, how did ya get xvmc working?
[05:26:00] Cowman: power-outages during a recording are not your friend
[05:26:00] Cowman: :(
[05:26:00] PatrickDK: just installed nvidia drivers, and recompiled mythtv with xvmc enabled
[05:27:00] Ryushin: Just recompiled the debian source packages and added the --enable-xvmc.
[05:27:00] de-v: cownman: yeah, any computer thats doing decent diskio is not going to like being turned off in the middle of it ;)
[05:27:00] Ryushin: I'm running the nvidia-7676 drivers.
[05:27:00] Cowman: motherboard didn't care for it either :( :(
[05:28:00] Ryushin: Does the xvmc selection even show up in mythfrontend?
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[05:28:00] Cowman: so a new board and cpu later.... I'm trying to build another box and of course it won't work the way I did it before :GRRR:
[05:28:00] PatrickDK: ryushin, it does for me
[05:29:00] PatrickDK: ya, I have the 7676 also
[05:29:00] PatrickDK: heh, damned thing is chewing up alot of cpu power
[05:29:00] Ryushin: How do you know it isn't working?
[05:29:00] PatrickDK: mythfrontend doesn't say it's using XvMC in the logs
[05:29:00] Ryushin: When you turn off xvmc, does cpu go up.
[05:29:00] PatrickDK: and it should
[05:29:00] PatrickDK: no, stays the same
[05:30:00] Ryushin: When your start X, do you get the nvidia logo?
[05:31:00] PatrickDK: I used to, till I turned off the logo
[05:31:00] Ryushin: I didn't know you could turn off the logo. The logo tells me that the nvidia driver is working.
[05:31:00] PatrickDK: I know the driver is working
[05:31:00] Ryushin: Oh, I also have nvidia compile a kernel module since I use my own customer kernel.
[05:32:00] Cowman: I've seen howtos on turning it off alhtough I don't understand why you would want to
[05:32:00] PatrickDK: I asked X what it is doing
[05:32:00] Ryushin: custom.  :)
[05:32:00] PatrickDK: and it says it is ising nvidia with XvMC
[05:32:00] de-v: faster start times, some people hate the whitescreen
[05:32:00] de-v: thats about the only reasons heh
[05:32:00] PatrickDK: I hate advertizements
[05:32:00] Cowman: ok I can see that
[05:33:00] Cowman: I wonder if you can change the logo
[05:33:00] Cowman: put your own splash screen up :)
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[05:34:00] Ryushin: Are you compiling your own myth packages? From CVS, rpm, deb, portage?
[05:34:00] PatrickDK: source
[05:34:00] PatrickDK: hmm, you can't get myth from cvs
[05:34:00] Ryushin: subversion then.  :)
[05:36:00] Ryushin: Try putting a filter in that inverts your colors. If it works, then XvMC is not working. The filters have no affect when you use xvmc.
[05:36:00] PatrickDK: hmm, sample ?
[05:37:00] PatrickDK: I haven't used filters yet
[05:37:00] Ryushin: just type in "invert" in the filters wihtout the quotes.
[05:38:00] Ryushin: Try with and without xvmc.
[05:38:00] gnuyen: how do you get an mpeg2 out of a nuv without transcoding
[05:38:00] gnuyen: i have three hauppage 250s in there, so I assume it's storing it as mpeg2 in there some place
[05:38:00] PatrickDK: heh, ya, it's inverted now
[05:38:00] PatrickDK: heh, screen is like whited out
[05:38:00] Ryushin: Funny looking isn't it.
[05:39:00] PatrickDK: turned off XvMC and same colors
[05:39:00] PatrickDK: hmm, blue people :)
[05:39:00] Ryushin: Yep, xvmc isn't working at all.
[05:39:00] PatrickDK: nothing like watching anime with invert :)
[05:39:00] Ryushin: Mine is. Naahh-na-naa-naaa.
[05:40:00] Ryushin: Are you running your own custom kernel?
[05:40:00] PatrickDK: ya
[05:40:00] PatrickDK: and the nvidia module
[05:40:00] Ryushin: Do you have a dvb card?
[05:41:00] PatrickDK: nope
[05:42:00] Ryushin: I enabled the dvb in myth by pointing to my kernel include. Don't know if that will help you are not.
[05:42:00] Ryushin: Let me see what other options I'm using in my myth configure.
[05:42:00] PatrickDK: ya, I was thinking about adding in dvb support
[05:43:00] PatrickDK: since I might get a dvb card in a few months
[05:43:00] Ryushin: Which pvr card are you using?
[05:43:00] PatrickDK: 350
[05:44:00] Ryushin: Can I assume that you added the --enable-ivtv?
[05:44:00] PatrickDK: ya
[05:44:00] Ryushin: I also have the opengl-vsync. Though I don't know if that will make a difference.
[05:44:00] Ryushin: I also couldn't get that option to compile from subversion.
[05:45:00] Ryushin: Which distro are you using?
[05:45:00] PatrickDK: ./configure --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-jack --enable-xvmc --enable-ope
[05:45:00] PatrickDK: ngl-vsync
[05:45:00] PatrickDK: slackware
[05:45:00] Ryushin: I have:
[05:46:00] Tanthrix: Anyone know of any decent voip software? Nothing fancy, just need something to talk between two people regularely.
[05:46:00] PatrickDK: tanthrix, linux based?
[05:46:00] Tanthrix: Windows on one end, unfortunately.
[05:46:00] PatrickDK: firefly is nice and simple
[05:46:00] Krazylegz: Google Talk.
[05:47:00] PatrickDK: make sure you get the 3rd party version
[05:47:00] Krazylegz: Er, Linux AND Windows?
[05:47:00] Tanthrix: No, just windows works.
[05:47:00] PatrickDK: the you just need a sip or iax2 based linux client
[05:47:00] Krazylegz: Google Talk is pretty good for me.
[05:47:00] PatrickDK: there are mny out there
[05:47:00] Krazylegz: Here are clients for other platforms: http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html
[05:47:00] Tanthrix: Nifty, thanks.
[05:48:00] Tanthrix: Now, does any of this stuff work through NAT?
[05:48:00] Ryushin: --cpu=athlon-xp --tune=athlon-xp --enable-mmx --enable-lirc --enable-audio-alsa --enable-xvmc --enable-audio-oss --enable-audio-jack --enable-audio-arts --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux/include/ --enable-firewire --enable-ivtv --disable-joystick-menu
[05:48:00] Krazylegz: Heh, that page doesn't make any sense....
[05:48:00] Krazylegz: Google Talk definitely does.
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[05:51:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I wiped out my old compile
[05:51:00] PatrickDK: and recompiling from scratch
[05:52:00] Tanthrix: What kind of bandwidth is necessary for a good connection?
[05:53:00] Krazylegz: You mean for Google Talk?
[05:53:00] Tanthrix: Aye,
[05:53:00] Cowman: soooo.... anyone able to help me get this working?
[05:53:00] PatrickDK: with gsm codec, 40kbps
[05:53:00] Cowman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZI8pfK28.html
[05:53:00] PatrickDK: with ulaw, 90kbps
[05:54:00] Tanthrix: Not bad at all.
[05:54:00] Tanthrix: Much delay?
[05:54:00] PatrickDK: that is one way
[05:54:00] PatrickDK: delay will be around 30ms + your ping time
[05:54:00] PatrickDK: approx
[05:54:00] Tanthrix: (GF is going off to college, just picked up family share cell phones but the quality isn't great and it's expensive)
[05:55:00] PatrickDK: heh, I have done alot of voip phone systems
[05:56:00] Tanthrix: Thanks for all the advice.
[05:58:00] Ryushin: BTW, it's the "y" to switch tuners. Now my PVR-350 card doesn't work, but the HD-3000 card does. Just wonderful. If it isn't one thing, it's another.
[05:59:00] Krazylegz: Cowman: Which version of gcc?
[06:02:00] Cowman: 4.0.1
[06:02:00] Krazylegz: There ya go.
[06:03:00] Cowman: ?
[06:03:00] Krazylegz: You can either go back to gcc3, or fix common.h.
[06:03:00] Cowman: which is easier?
[06:04:00] Krazylegz: It's a funky part of common.h, I think. It's got a C fragment that now doesn't work with C++ in gcc4, or something like that methinks.
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[06:04:00] Cowman: hmm
[06:05:00] Cowman: 3.4 good enough?
[06:06:00] Krazylegz: Should be. I have 3.3.6 installed on my Mythbox, but I installed binaries anyway.
[06:06:00] Cowman: I can't get binaries to install... which is why I'm trying to compile
[06:07:00] PatrickDK: I'm using 3.3.4 gcc
[06:07:00] PatrickDK: no problems
[06:07:00] Krazylegz: What is the problem with the binaries?
[06:07:00] Cowman: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1800 this pretty much chronicals that problem
[06:07:00] xris: fyi to anyone who's been having nuvexport "undefined" type errors, the problem is now fixed.
[06:08:00] PatrickDK: cowman, your using packages?
[06:08:00] PatrickDK: heh, just install qt, then install mythtv
[06:08:00] Krazylegz: Cowman: Well, not sure what to do about that. I'm not a huge Debian guy.
[06:08:00] Cowman: Pat, I downloaded the qt package manually and installed it manually
[06:09:00] PatrickDK: but you didn't download mythtv manually
[06:09:00] PatrickDK: and that is why it's bitching
[06:09:00] PatrickDK: cause you manually installed qt
[06:09:00] Cowman: actually apt threw a fit and uninstalled the package I manually installed
[06:10:00] Krazylegz: Pffft, no GG marathon today = no new recorded GG.
[06:10:00] PatrickDK: manually I mean from a .tar.gz or .tar.bz file
[06:10:00] PatrickDK: not a package
[06:10:00] Cowman: OH
[06:10:00] Cowman: I downloaded that manualy
[06:10:00] Tanthrix: I'm trying google talk and it's a bit clicky...
[06:10:00] Cowman: gave up on packages
[06:10:00] Krazylegz: Tanthrix: Really? What kind of connection are you on?
[06:10:00] Tanthrix: 11MB home wireless network.
[06:10:00] Tanthrix: mb, that is
[06:11:00] Cowman: and I'm getting that compile error
[06:11:00] Cowman: god I hate dependancies....
[06:11:00] Krazylegz: Tanthrix: Whoa. I did it with my boss, we're both on Comcast cable. He's in WA, I'm in PA.
[06:11:00] PatrickDK: hmm, apt-get is package
[06:11:00] PatrickDK: I see nocompile error
[06:11:00] Cowman: not there... sorry
[06:11:00] Cowman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZI8pfK28.html
[06:11:00] Cowman: that error
[06:12:00] Tanthrix: She's on the laptop across the room. This would be a lot easier if the microphone we have wasn't a cheap piece of crap.
[06:12:00] Cowman: (and by the way uninstalling 4.0 and installing 3.4 made no diff)
[06:12:00] Krazylegz: There's NetMeeting too, if you're both on Windows.
[06:12:00] PatrickDK: what do line 61 and 65 say?
[06:13:00] Cowman: ok...
[06:13:00] Cowman: that common.h problem
[06:13:00] Cowman: so how is that fixed?
[06:13:00] PatrickDK: can you paste line 61 of the common.h file
[06:13:00] Tanthrix: Netmeeting? Pretty old. Is it's quality decent?
[06:13:00] Tanthrix: Though, I know it doesn't work over a nat.
[06:14:00] Krazylegz: I don't know, I don't have a microphone.
[06:14:00] PatrickDK: get a sip version of netmetting
[06:14:00] Krazylegz: It works for me if I forward the ports.
[06:14:00] PatrickDK: h323 through nat is a bitch
[06:14:00] Krazylegz: Actually, the girlfriend wasn't behind NAT, so I don't know if it works well with both users behind NAT.
[06:14:00] PatrickDK: with sip it's a simple port forward of 5060 and some other udp ports for the audio
[06:14:00] Cowman: erm..
[06:14:00] Cowman: where do I find common.h?
[06:15:00] PatrickDK: cowman, it tells you in your link you pasted
[06:15:00] Tanthrix: I'm kind of like this to work over wifi hotspots and etc.., beyond her regular broadband connection.
[06:15:00] Tanthrix: Hence the nat issue.
[06:15:00] PatrickDK: tanthrix, hmm, voip over wifi is just evil
[06:15:00] PatrickDK: and horrible quality
[06:15:00] PatrickDK: way too choppy
[06:15:00] Krazylegz: Then GoogleTalk should be fine.
[06:15:00] Tanthrix: The connection she's on right now is 11 megabits though, that shouldn't affect it should it?
[06:15:00] Krazylegz: I used Google Talk well over wifi to my laptop->Comcast->WA.
[06:16:00] PatrickDK: tanthrix, it's cause wifi doesn't have any form of priority in it
[06:16:00] PatrickDK: where voip packets must get through or it has prblems
[06:16:00] Cowman: it does?
[06:16:00] PatrickDK: if you don't use your wifi for anything else, it will work ok
[06:17:00] PatrickDK: but the second you start anykind of file transfer it goes to shit
[06:17:00] PatrickDK: cowman, make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libavcodec'
[06:17:00] Tanthrix: Hrm, she's actually on the 100mb eth right now.
[06:17:00] lmsalter: doesn;t all your google talk go onto the big screen at google hq or is that just the search queries
[06:17:00] PatrickDK: just the search
[06:17:00] PatrickDK: like google wants to pay for that much bandwidth
[06:18:00] Tanthrix: I need to get a different pair of headphones for testing, these are sennheiser hd 280 pros.
[06:18:00] Tanthrix: I can hear too well with these things ;)
[06:18:00] lmsalter: aren't they building the worlds biggest wireless network?
[06:19:00] PatrickDK: dunno, but that is still totally different from backbone internet pricing
[06:19:00] Cowman: extern const struct AVOption avoptions_common[3 + 5];
[06:19:00] PatrickDK: hmm, same thing I have
[06:19:00] PatrickDK: and mine just compiled fine
[06:19:00] PatrickDK: cause I am recompiling it right now
[06:19:00] Krazylegz: You're sure that it is using gcc 3.4 now?
[06:19:00] PatrickDK: gcc -v
[06:20:00] Cowman: wtf
[06:20:00] Cowman: it's not there
[06:20:00] PatrickDK: did it install itself into /usr/local/bin
[06:20:00] Cowman: ok... I did apt-get remove gcc-4.0 apt-get install gcc-3.4
[06:20:00] PatrickDK: where your other gcc is in /usr/bin
[06:20:00] PatrickDK: hmm
[06:20:00] Cowman: wait
[06:21:00] PatrickDK: don't ask me, I don't do packages
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[06:21:00] Cowman: I have a /usr/local/bin/gcc-3.4
[06:21:00] PatrickDK: but what is /usr/bin/gcc and /usr/local/bin/gcc linked too?
[06:21:00] Cowman: woops /usr/bin
[06:22:00] PatrickDK: I will have 4 or more gcc installed
[06:22:00] PatrickDK: mainly for crosscompiling
[06:22:00] Krazylegz: Does it matter if it's just calling gcc and using whatever 'which gcc' returns?
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[06:22:00] PatrickDK: it's all in the options you give it what one it uses
[06:22:00] Cowman: I'd say it's linked to nothing
[06:22:00] Ryushin: What is this xdriver thing for ivtv?
[06:22:00] PatrickDK: Ryushin, pvr-350 output
[06:22:00] Cowman: create a symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc ?
[06:23:00] Ryushin: Isn't that just the ivtv frame buffer driver?
[06:23:00] PatrickDK: yes, if you want framebuffer
[06:23:00] PatrickDK: but there is some dma timing stuff that drive has that isn't normal for X11
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[06:23:00] PatrickDK: and I believe that has Xv support too for the pvr-350
[06:24:00] Ryushin: Okay. Well, I guess I don't need it since I'm out putting through my dvi on the nvidia card.
[06:24:00] PatrickDK: yep
[06:24:00] Ryushin: I'm trying to compile 3.9 now. Hopefully it will fix the error I'm getting.
[06:24:00] Cowman: ok
[06:24:00] Cowman: gcc version 3.4.5 20050706 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4–5)
[06:24:00] Krazylegz: Does Myth compile now?
[06:24:00] Cowman: heh
[06:24:00] Cowman: quite possibly
[06:24:00] Cowman: it didn't spit out an error in 2 seconds this time :)
[06:25:00] Krazylegz: Awesome.
[06:25:00] ** Cowman waits **
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[06:26:00] Cowman: thanks btw
[06:26:00] Krazylegz: Thank Google.
[06:27:00] Cowman: I'm a novice programmer... just starting to learn java, have yet to touch C
[06:27:00] Cowman: google is god
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[06:28:00] Krazylegz: My CS department taught Java in the beginner classes. Now I get to do PHP almost exclusively. The joy.
[06:28:00] lmsalter: google is going to end up being the database for homeland security – you watch
[06:28:00] lmsalter: java? learn python or perl and then c
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[06:29:00] Cowman: I have to learn it first
[06:29:00] Cowman: it's the way my school does it
[06:29:00] PatrickDK: I learned basic, forth, machine, assym, pascal, C, c++, perl, ...
[06:29:00] Cowman: I do know COBOL though unfortunately
[06:29:00] PatrickDK: forth is very much fun :)
[06:30:00] lmsalter: Cowman – did you make any money of the cobol from year2K?
[06:30:00] Cowman: no since I didn't take it until 2003/2004
[06:31:00] Cowman: yes, my school still teaches COBOL... yes it's a requirement
[06:31:00] Krazylegz: Wow, they taught you COBOL in 2003?
[06:31:00] de-v: heh
[06:31:00] Cowman: it's a requirement... you have to if you want a CS degree
[06:31:00] lmsalter: i choose to take pl1 instead of cobol in school so i lost out on the big year2k bucks
[06:31:00] Krazylegz: Actually, I guess RIT was teaching COBOL in 2001 at least, but to MIS students.
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[06:31:00] lmsalter: rit? rochester NY is the only clean city in NY
[06:32:00] Krazylegz: Haha.
[06:32:00] lmsalter: i guess with all the kodak picture taking the want a clean backdrop
[06:32:00] Krazylegz: Have you seen the Genessee?
[06:32:00] lmsalter: the=they
[06:32:00] lmsalter: i got drunk at geneseo with tons of genesee beer
[06:32:00] Krazylegz: My freshman year roommate's dad worked for Kodak. He got to play with some neat stuff.
[06:32:00] Krazylegz: Been there, done that. :-)
[06:33:00] Cowman: I'm still having PIC XXXX. nightmares btw
[06:33:00] lmsalter: i got some old kodak flashbulbs – they go fo $$ on ebay
[06:33:00] Krazylegz: Geneseo had a much better boy/girl ratio than RIT...
[06:33:00] lmsalter: girl/boy you mean – they had all them teachers
[06:33:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, sure. Same ratio.
[06:34:00] Krazylegz: Millersville University is near my house, lots of teachers there too. Pretty teachers...
[06:34:00] Cowman: I may have a girl lined up.... there's one in my java class. she's figured out I'm good at it and she needs lots of help :)
[06:34:00] lmsalter: you opportunist
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[06:35:00] Krazylegz: Work it.
[06:35:00] Cowman: hehehe
[06:35:00] Krazylegz: I ended up meeting a girl 190 miles from my school and going out with her.
[06:36:00] Cowman: howd that go?
[06:36:00] Krazylegz: Still going.
[06:36:00] Krazylegz: RIT wasn't the best place to meet girls. :-)
[06:37:00] snerfu: You should break it off. Having a woman into the same things you are doesn't work out in the end. Find a cheerleader or something.
[06:37:00] Krazylegz: Mmmm, cheerleader....
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[06:38:00] snerfu: If you can't find a cheerleader, check out those self pottery painting shops.
[06:38:00] Cowman: one dumb enough that she'll never know what you're talking about enough to question it
[06:38:00] Krazylegz: Talking isn't a requirement. Find a girl who doesn't like to talk.
[06:38:00] de-v: you're better off that way too./
[06:39:00] Cowman: well my last one was a complete basketcase so anything is an improvement
[06:39:00] lmsalter: get a jave cheerleader
[06:39:00] snerfu: And one that will be good as a trivia partner by the time your 60, becuase thats all your going to have,
[06:39:00] Cowman: I should have known any girl into pc games couldn't be sane
[06:39:00] taer: a avermedia 1500MCE is the same as a m150, right?
[06:40:00] lmsalter: snerfu – sounds like fun is at your place
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[06:40:00] snerfu: Hehe.
[06:40:00] Krazylegz: If she says, "can I watch you play Counter-Strike", you need to run.
[06:41:00] Cowman: she had her qualities to be sure...
[06:41:00] snerfu: Kind of is fun here, drinking booze, alone in the dark on IRC. Probably shouldn't take my advice on ladies.
[06:41:00] Krazylegz: We need a #mythtv-users-chat channel.
[06:41:00] xris: boggles the mind... green tomatoes that are actually ripe.
[06:41:00] Cowman: my second clue should have been that she was way more into sex than me..... which isn't right
[06:41:00] lmsalter: do any of you use a html browser besides : opera, firefox, mozilla, galeon, konqueror, lynx/links/elinks – with line scrolling?
[06:42:00] Krazylegz: IE?
[06:42:00] Cowman: it's a sobering experience when you're playing command and conquer and your woman is all over you and wants you to come to bed.... and you're annoyed that she's interupting your game
[06:42:00] lmsalter: add without wine
[06:43:00] Cowman: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[06:43:00] snerfu: deer park.
[06:43:00] Cowman: it didn't compile
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[06:44:00] Cowman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/adixwq10.html
[06:44:00] lmsalter: do not look at this site about mythtv – you will never get out http://librenix.com/?inode=6981
[06:45:00] ** Krazylegz closes his eyes **
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[06:47:00] Ryushin: Anyone seen this error with the pvr-350 card: IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address
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[06:48:00] PatrickDK: can't say that I have
[06:48:00] Krazylegz: Ryushin: Does ivtvctl -C work?
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[06:54:00] Ryushin: Don't know yet. I'm rebooting.  :) It also seems that when I compiled it in the driver directory, and do a make install, it doesn't install everything that it needs. If I do a make in the main dir of ivtv-0.3.9, then it compiled a lot more and installed a lot more. So, after this reboot, we'll find out what happens.  :)
[06:55:00] PatrickDK: well, you should be doing make and make install in the main dir
[06:55:00] PatrickDK: since like 0.3.6 I think
[06:55:00] PatrickDK: or you will have to do it in the utils and driver subdirs
[06:58:00] Ryushin: Okay, I'm getting closer. It doesn't give me that error anymore. But video crashes when I start it up.
[07:01:00] Ryushin: It also seems that some of the modules that ivtv compiles interfears with the hd-3000 card. Not good.
[07:02:00] Ryushin: You know, getting myth to work, is probably one of the hardest projects I've ever undertaken for linux. And I've been doing linux since '93. Go figure.
[07:02:00] PatrickDK: the only thing I can sugest, is use the tveeprom and tuner modules from the kernel instead of from ivtv
[07:03:00] Krazylegz: Isn't it also one of the most fun? :-)
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[07:04:00] asdfasdf: is there such thing as a video card with a s-video output port?
[07:04:00] asdfasdf: all the ones i've been looking at seem to only have composite output
[07:05:00] lmsalter: Ryyshin – you ever try upgrading glibc?
[07:05:00] PatrickDK: hmm, ya, about 80% of them
[07:05:00] qfx: anyone got a good quickstart guide for mythtv?
[07:05:00] asdfasdf: PatrickDK, were you replying to me?
[07:05:00] snerfu: my nvidia geforce fx 5200 and 5700 both have svideo out.
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[07:06:00] asdfasdf: what type of fx 5200?
[07:06:00] PatrickDK: heh, my geforce has svideo/composite/component/dvi/analog
[07:07:00] qwijib0: is anyone in here using a mediaMVP with mvpmc to connect to a myth box?
[07:07:00] PatrickDK: asdfasdf, check pricewatch.com
[07:07:00] snerfu: This would be a chaintech.
[07:07:00] PatrickDK: now finding a lowprofile geforce with svideo and dvi is damned hard
[07:08:00] PatrickDK: and impossible from what I have seen, with a heatsink instead of fan
[07:08:00] asdfasdf: so i'm not the only one?
[07:08:00] PatrickDK: yes you are
[07:09:00] PatrickDK: you aren't looking for low profile
[07:09:00] PatrickDK: and dvi
[07:09:00] PatrickDK: like I said 80% of the cards have svideo out
[07:09:00] asdfasdf: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121185 ... it only mentions "Composite Out" for tv-out...
[07:09:00] PatrickDK: that have any form of tv out
[07:10:00] asdfasdf: this one also http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA31040 ... it only mentions "Composite out" for tv-out
[07:10:00] snerfu: Oh I didn't know you were looking for a low profile one.
[07:10:00] PatrickDK: that is cause it's composite out only
[07:10:00] PatrickDK: he didn't say he was
[07:10:00] asdfasdf: those are the only asus ones i can find on mwave.com and newegg.com
[07:10:00] PatrickDK: snerfu, I am :)
[07:10:00] asdfasdf: what do you mean by "low profile"?
[07:10:00] snerfu: Oh hehe.
[07:10:00] asdfasdf: like at a place where a lot of people don't look?
[07:10:00] PatrickDK: only half as high as a normal pci card
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[07:11:00] asdfasdf: PatrickDK, so those two links don't have s-video right/
[07:11:00] snerfu: It costs a little more but I usually buy the low end ones from frys or compusa, the last two I mentioned actually from compusa.
[07:12:00] PatrickDK: the newegg one doesn't
[07:12:00] PatrickDK: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . =Video+Cards
[07:12:00] lmsalter: wish i had a tv card – i'll be back when i get one
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[07:12:00] PatrickDK: if you want dvi, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . =Video+Cards
[07:13:00] asdfasdf: lets say i don't have a s-video input on my TV... can i a converter cable?
[07:13:00] PatrickDK: you can, but I wouldn't
[07:13:00] asdfasdf: is there such thing as a cable that has s-video on one side and composite on the other side?
[07:13:00] PatrickDK: get a video card that has one if you can
[07:13:00] asdfasdf: that has composite?
[07:14:00] PatrickDK: no, that has a svideo to composite cable
[07:14:00] snerfu: I went looking for that converter once.
[07:14:00] snerfu: hehe
[07:14:00] asdfasdf: ok, i was just wondering if there was such a thing
[07:14:00] snerfu: I never found it.
[07:14:00] PatrickDK: there is
[07:14:00] PatrickDK: get it at bestbuy
[07:14:00] PatrickDK: or order it off the web
[07:14:00] PatrickDK: I personally don't trust them
[07:14:00] asdfasdf: i'll probably just try to find a vid card that has composite out and s-video out... these exist right?
[07:15:00] PatrickDK: no
[07:15:00] PatrickDK: they will have svideo out
[07:15:00] PatrickDK: and the adaptor cable, will tell the video card you want composite
[07:15:00] PatrickDK: but it willnot have two jacks
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[07:15:00] PatrickDK: actually, very few wll have both jacks
[07:15:00] PatrickDK: my 6800 has both
[07:16:00] asdfasdf: ok, probably the high end ones
[07:16:00] PatrickDK: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . =Video+Cards
[07:16:00] asdfasdf: ok, last question... any vid card copmanies you guys would recommend? the only ones i'm familiar with are asus and aopen and i know those are good
[07:16:00] Chutt: just buy a converter from bestbuy
[07:16:00] PatrickDK: that comes with adaptor cable, and has dvi, svideo
[07:16:00] asdfasdf: i'm kinda hesitant to get one from "CompUSA" or "Apollo" cuz i don't know much about them
[07:17:00] PatrickDK: heh, I wouldn't worry about that too much
[07:17:00] PatrickDK: they don't make the chipset
[07:17:00] PatrickDK: worst case is it doesn't work
[07:17:00] PatrickDK: and that is for anybody
[07:18:00] asdfasdf: well, i don't want to have any driver issues... i'm not sure if this matters...
[07:18:00] PatrickDK: no
[07:18:00] PatrickDK: like I said, they didn't make the chipset
[07:18:00] asdfasdf: ok, thanks a lot man, i appreciate your time =)
[07:19:00] asdfasdf: yeah, i'm aware of that... but there are differences
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[07:19:00] PatrickDK: not that big of a difference
[07:19:00] PatrickDK: heh, welcome to the world of time to market development demands
[07:19:00] PatrickDK: company makes chipset
[07:19:00] PatrickDK: company makes prototype demo board
[07:20:00] Tanthrix: PatrickDK: Is there a particular headset you recommend for voip stuff?
[07:20:00] PatrickDK: every other company mass produces the prototype demo
[07:20:00] PatrickDK: tanthrix, hmm, cisco 7960 :)
[07:20:00] Tanthrix: IE, one with 1/8 inch jacks for mic and headphone
[07:20:00] PatrickDK: I have a nice logitech headset/mic that I like
[07:20:00] Tanthrix: Simple mic / headphone one
[07:20:00] PatrickDK: use it withmy phone
[07:21:00] Tanthrix: I know mic quality is important with this kind of stuff
[07:21:00] PatrickDK: not that much
[07:21:00] asdfasdf: PatrickDK, so you're recommending i pickup the cheapest fx5200 board i can find with the right ports?
[07:21:00] PatrickDK: mainly what you want is a mic that doesn't pickup background noise
[07:21:00] PatrickDK: asdfasdf, basiclly, yes
[07:21:00] Tanthrix: Well, that's what I meant.
[07:21:00] PatrickDK: unless you will use it for something more than myth
[07:22:00] asdfasdf: PatrickDK, what does "low profile" mean?
[07:22:00] PatrickDK: small
[07:22:00] joat: the backplane (metal bit) on the back of the card is shorter
[07:22:00] snerfu: asdfasdf, your not going to use it for gaming right?
[07:22:00] joat: so they'll fit in a smaller case
[07:22:00] PatrickDK: fits in my 2u cases
[07:22:00] asdfasdf: ahhhh... so it doesn't make a lot of noise?
[07:23:00] snerfu: Its not a noise issue
[07:24:00] snerfu: They make really slim cases about 3 and a half inches high/wide.
[07:24:00] PatrickDK: http://www.bracket.com/blanksearch.htm
[07:24:00] PatrickDK: just move your mouse over the different brackets
[07:24:00] PatrickDK: and see the difference
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[07:24:00] asdfasdf: gotcha, thanks again
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[07:33:00] Ryushin: crap! crap! crap! crap! It seems that that tveeprom module from ivtv interfears with the HD-3000 and vice versa.
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[07:36:00] PatrickDK: did you hear what I said?
[07:36:00] PatrickDK: try using the tveeprom and tuner from the kernel, instead of from ivtv
[07:37:00] Ryushin: I'm not using the tuner. But I am using the tveeprom.
[07:37:00] Ryushin: I'll try the tuner now.
[07:37:00] PatrickDK: hmm, maybe the tuner isn't needed by hd-3000
[07:37:00] PatrickDK: well, just use tveepromfrom the kernel than
[07:38:00] PatrickDK: worst case is use them both from the kernel, and see if ivtv still works
[07:38:00] PatrickDK: I think I did test that, and it did for me
[07:38:00] PatrickDK: with 2.6.12.5 atleast
[07:39:00] Ryushin: Okay. I changed it to use the 2.6.13 tuner module. I'm rebooting know. We'll see if that works.
[07:39:00] PatrickDK: heh, I hope it does
[07:40:00] PatrickDK: I was planning on getting ahd-3000 to go aong with mypvr-500's
[07:40:00] Ryushin: I wonder if there is a patch for this problem in the v4l code.
[07:40:00] PatrickDK: oh? your using the hd-3000 v4l instead of the dvb?
[07:40:00] Ryushin: I'll check out linuxtv.org after this if this doesn't work.
[07:40:00] Ryushin: I'm using DVB.
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[07:41:00] Ryushin: But they have dvb stuff on the linuxtv.org page.
[07:42:00] PatrickDK: //www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/2142472.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-de . . . 2142472.html
[07:42:00] PatrickDK: that says people have used the kernel tveeprom and it worked ok for them
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[07:43:00] Ryushin: nope. Still getting "IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address"
[07:43:00] qfx: anyone know how to change channels with an ivtv card? ivtvctl -p 12860 didn't wokr
[07:44:00] qfx: and neither did ptune.pl -c 22
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[07:44:00] taer: what is the diff between the PVR150 and the PVR250? can't find anything real, and what about the MCE version of them?
[07:44:00] Ryushin: Use tune.pl or tune-ui.pl.
[07:45:00] PatrickDK: pvr150 is newer
[07:45:00] qfx: tune.pl? what's the diff between that and ptune?
[07:45:00] PatrickDK: and has a built in filter
[07:45:00] Ryushin: Sorry, ptune.
[07:45:00] taer: the 150 also seems to be cheaper..
[07:45:00] qfx: yah, ptune.pl -c 22 didn't work
[07:45:00] qfx: I have the 150 ryushin, it's barely supported for drivers. I've been wrestling with it for a week now
[07:46:00] taer: what about the IR receiver? will it work
[07:46:00] taer: ?
[07:46:00] Ryushin: If you can't change the channels, then your tuner probably didn't load correctly. Check dmesg and see what it says.
[07:46:00] qfx: I still can't change channels, nor get sound
[07:46:00] qfx: OK, thanks ryushin
[07:46:00] snerfu: So I have my setup running on the basic cable feed. I have a digital cable box, I am not really sure where to start or if you can even use it with that.
[07:47:00] Ryushin: I hard set my to 39 to get it to work the first time. Then after that, it autodetected correctly and everything was happy.
[07:47:00] Ryushin: BTW, at least with the PVR-350 card, to clear out it's settings you have to halt and turn off your machine. And a few times you have to wait 30 seconds for it to fully clear.
[07:47:00] taer: PatrickDK: know anything about the avermedia 1500MCE(blackbird I believe)
[07:49:00] PatrickDK: damn, full myth recompile, and still no xvmc
[07:51:00] Ryushin: That sucks dude.
[07:51:00] nuonguy: Hey I thought the IVTV driver was the place to get support for the Hauppage WinTV PVR 150 – looks like I was wrong
[07:51:00] PatrickDK: it is
[07:51:00] nuonguy: The IVTV driver supports only the 250 and 350
[07:51:00] PatrickDK: but you need to use the 0.3 version
[07:52:00] PatrickDK: no it doesn't
[07:52:00] PatrickDK: that is 0.2 info
[07:52:00] joat: the latest version of ivtv supports the mce150 at least
[07:52:00] joat: 150 mce rather
[07:52:00] joat: and presumably the 150 and 500 too
[07:53:00] nuonguy: ah
[07:53:00] nuonguy: I guess I'll need to build from source: ivtv-0.2.0–69_rc3k.rhfc4.at is what I installed....
[07:53:00] qfx: Ryushin, you're totally right, it failed to load the module. What can I do to fix that?
[07:54:00] PatrickDK: ya, that is no good
[07:54:00] Ryushin: I gave it a tuner option before.
[07:54:00] qfx: nuonguy I just built from source and am making progress. My tuner didn't load, but I'm trying to fix that. HOpefully someone here can help me
[07:54:00] qfx: Ryushin In modprobe.conf?
[07:54:00] Ryushin: I forget what the syntax was.
[07:54:00] Ryushin: yea.
[07:54:00] qfx: or where do you give it a tuner option
[07:55:00] Ryushin: I think it was just like "tuner 39" but I can't remember.
[07:55:00] Ryushin: I'm compiling the dvb patch against 2.6.13 from linuxtv.org. I'm crossing my fingers.
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[07:56:00] qfx: To what line would you put it though?
[07:57:00] qfx: Is there anyway to clear out from the modules and have them reload?
[07:57:00] nuonguy: joat: does the modprobe.conf info from http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture still apply?
[07:58:00] Ryushin: In modules.conf "options tuner type=39"
[07:58:00] Ryushin: rmmod tuner;modprobe tuner type=39
[07:58:00] qfx: ERROR: Module tuner does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:58:00] joat: I dunno
[07:58:00] joat: I followed a gentoo specific howto, and did what it said to
[07:59:00] nuonguy: joat: It didn't talk about modprobe.conf?
[07:59:00] joat: I had to add stuff to I think /etc/modules.d/ivtv
[07:59:00] joat: and then run modules-update
[07:59:00] joat: which creates modprobe.conf
[07:59:00] Ryushin: Are you using a kernel built from a distro, or your own?
[07:59:00] joat: my own
[07:59:00] qfx: I had to build my own
[07:59:00] joat: built with genkernel
[07:59:00] joat: you don't really have much of a choice with gentoo
[07:59:00] joat: you need to build it, or at least really should
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[08:00:00] Ryushin: qfx: You'll need to build the tuner module.
[08:00:00] Ryushin: I forget what part of the kernel config you need to turn on though to get that.
[08:01:00] Ryushin: Did you compile into your kernel?
[08:01:00] qfx: I don't think so. I just did a "make install" and it did the rest
[08:02:00] Ryushin: Does "find /lib/modules -name "*tuner*"" show anything?
[08:02:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/build/include/media/tuner.h
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/build/include/config/tuner
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/build/include/config/video/tuner
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/build/include/sound/tea575x-tuner.h
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner-3036.ko
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.9–1.667/kernel/sound/i2c/other/snd-tea575x-tuner.ko
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.12–1.1447_FC4/ivtv/tuner.ko
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.12–1.1447_FC4/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko.HIDE
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.12–1.1447_FC4/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner-3036.ko
[08:03:00] qfx: /lib/modules/2.6.12–1.1447_FC4/kernel/sound/i2c/other/snd-tea575x-tuner.ko
[08:03:00] jnc: that's quite enough
[08:03:00] jnc: do not paste in chan, use pastebin.com
[08:04:00] qfx: thanks for your help jnc
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[08:05:00] Ryushin: Doing a lsmod | grep tuner, does that show anything?
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[08:06:00] ** jnc grumbles **
[08:06:00] jnc: trying to build debian packages for last night svn checkout
[08:06:00] jnc: this is going to work, i hope
[08:07:00] qfx: Ryushin: Nothing
[08:08:00] Ryushin: modprobe tuner then.
[08:08:00] Ryushin: jnc: Oh boy. Gimmie.  :)
[08:08:00] qfx: FATAL: Module tuner_ivtv not found.
[08:08:00] qfx: ouch
[08:08:00] jnc: Ryushin: are you running etch (ish... unstable)
[08:08:00] qfx: So that's gotta be the problem. Does that mean the module failed to compile?
[08:09:00] jnc: Ryushin: my goal is to get mythgame built
[08:09:00] Ryushin: I had a problem getting the gl_vsync to compile.
[08:09:00] Ryushin: unstable.
[08:09:00] Ryushin: qfx: modprobe tuner
[08:09:00] qfx: That's where I got that FATAL
[08:10:00] Ryushin: qfx: Well, you're having some kind of module problem. Re-compile ivtv and install again. Reboot. You have to get that tuner module to load if you're going to have any sucess.
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[08:11:00] qfx: OK Ryushin. I"ll do that right now. Thanks for you help! Hopefully you'll be here when I get back :)
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[08:17:00] qfx: back
[08:17:00] Ryushin: Yehahhh!!!!!!! It works!!!!!! Both the HD-3000 card and the PVR-350!
[08:17:00] qfx: nice!
[08:18:00] Ryushin: PatrickDK: You still around?
[08:18:00] jnc: Ryushin: it looks like the svn checkout will compile, i'm attempting to package it now
[08:19:00] PatrickDK: ya
[08:19:00] Ryushin: I'd like your deb sources if you don't mind sharing.  :)
[08:19:00] PatrickDK: I just downgradedto the nvidia 7164
[08:19:00] PatrickDK: and it really sucks
[08:19:00] Ryushin: PatrickDK: I got both cards working.
[08:19:00] qfx: Ryushin: No problem loading the tuner module reported in dmes | grep ivtv but still no tuning
[08:19:00] PatrickDK: nice
[08:20:00] qfx: ivtv: Failed to load module tveeprom : I did get that
[08:20:00] Ryushin: You'll need the patch for 2.6.13 from linuxtv.org. Then use the kernel module for tveeprom and i should all be happy.
[08:20:00] qfx: lsmod | grep tuner didn't get anything
[08:21:00] Ryushin: qfx: which version of ivtv are you using?
[08:21:00] qfx: 0.3.9
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[08:22:00] Ryushin: Did you copy the videodev2.h the utils to the driver directory?
[08:23:00] qfx: I don't thikn so
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[08:23:00] qfx: So... no
[08:23:00] qfx: should I/
[08:24:00] Ryushin: I did. Then do a make in the ivtv-0.3.9 directory and then a make install.
[08:25:00] qfx: I didn't do a make first, I just did a make install
[08:25:00] qfx: No errors, shoul I reboot? Or might it work as is?
[08:25:00] Ryushin: You need to do a make first.
[08:25:00] Ryushin: It will compile a bunch of modules.
[08:26:00] qfx: OK, reboot?
[08:26:00] qfx: or can I reload the modules without rebooting
[08:26:00] Ryushin: halt it. Count to 30. Turn it back on.
[08:27:00] qfx: OK, Be back in a minute and a bit.
[08:27:00] qfx: thanks a mink Ryushin. If you gotta go I'll understand
[08:27:00] qfx: *mint
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[08:27:00] Ryushin: What is the alsa device I can point myth to in order to use alsa instead of oss?
[08:28:00] jnc: err
[08:28:00] jnc: in svn?
[08:28:00] PatrickDK: alsa doesn't use devices
[08:28:00] Ryushin: My hdtv is stuttering.
[08:28:00] jnc: 'cause in 0.18–1 i don't think alsa is an option
[08:28:00] Ryushin: Okay. How do I tell myth to use alsa then.  :)
[08:28:00] PatrickDK: I have no clue, my guess is by using the alsa to oss emulation
[08:28:00] Ryushin: Hmm.... It's a compile option under the debian sdebs.
[08:29:00] Ryushin: At least in the 0.18–4.
[08:30:00] Ryushin: Now I have to figure out a way to turn off xvmc when using the pvr-350, and turn xvmc on when using the hd-3000. Any ideas on how to do this?
[08:31:00] PatrickDK: heh?
[08:31:00] PatrickDK: whycan't you keep it on for both?
[08:31:00] Ryushin: Hey PatrickDK: Can I make you jealous? I'm only using 6% of the cpu when using the pvr-350 using xvmc.
[08:32:00] PatrickDK: hmm, pvr-350 doesn't have xvmc
[08:32:00] Ryushin: Because the picture looks terriable using xvmc using the pvr-350, but looks good on the hd-3000.
[08:32:00] PatrickDK: heh? hd-3000 doesn't support xvmc
[08:32:00] Ryushin: yep. It does.
[08:32:00] Ryushin: It dumps a mpeg2 stream.
[08:32:00] PatrickDK: hd-3000 is input only
[08:32:00] PatrickDK: xvmc is an output thing
[08:33:00] PatrickDK: I bet it's an interlace problem your having
[08:33:00] Ryushin: Right, but the hd-3000 and the pvr-350 dump a mpeg2 stream, xvmc does some of the decoding in the nvidia gpu.
[08:33:00] Ryushin: And you're right about that.
[08:34:00] Ryushin: xvmc can only do bob deinterlacing.
[08:35:00] Ryushin: I'd have to get my modeline perfect to de-interlace xvmc.
[08:35:00] Ryushin: I have it running 59.94, and it still bobs up and down one line.
[08:35:00] PatrickDK: ryushin, your alsa questions answered: http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalSoundHowTo
[08:36:00] PatrickDK: ryushin, turn on deinterlace, bob filter
[08:36:00] Ryushin: Yea, I saw that. But it thought there must be a easier way.
[08:36:00] Ryushin: Guess not. I'll play with that a bit later.
[08:36:00] PatrickDK: easier way?
[08:36:00] PatrickDK: you have to setup alsa correctly first
[08:37:00] PatrickDK: thenyou just type in the alsa name you gave your soundcard into the /dev/dsp place
[08:37:00] Ryushin: The bob filter only works if you have the refresh rate set perfectly to the input signal.
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[08:37:00] qfx: OK, back
[08:37:00] PatrickDK: heh, use the linear filter than
[08:37:00] PatrickDK: works good on my system (cause I'm cpu bound)
[08:37:00] PatrickDK: and no deinterlace looks horrible
[08:39:00] qfx: Failed to load module tuner :(
[08:39:00] Ryushin: If I use xvmc, and turn de-interlace on, it will only use the bob method. I found the best quality was turning off xvmc for the pvr-350, and using the kernel deinterlace, along with quickdnr filter.
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[08:41:00] Ryushin: qfx: what does dmesg tell you why it can't load it?
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[08:41:00] qfx: Can I DCC you the output from "dmesg | grep ivtv"?
[08:41:00] qfx: or pastebin.com
[08:41:00] qfx: .ca
[08:42:00] Ryushin: you can message me the output if you like.
[08:44:00] Ryushin: qfx: Did you see this "the eeprom kernel module was loaded before the tveeprom module"
[08:45:00] Ryushin: Try loading the tveeprom module first before the eeprom.
[08:45:00] PatrickDK: no
[08:45:00] PatrickDK: you can't use both at the same time
[08:45:00] PatrickDK: unless you compile them both into the kernel statically
[08:45:00] qfx: I saw that message...
[08:45:00] qfx: How do I set the order?
[08:46:00] qfx: or remove the one I don't need
[08:46:00] Ryushin: Check your modules.conf.
[08:47:00] qfx: is that the same as /etc/modprobe.conf ?
[08:47:00] Ryushin: yea.
[08:48:00] qfx: So I have an alias "alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv" in there, but no eeprom in there at all
[08:48:00] qfx: and lsmod | grep eeprom doesn't show anything
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[08:49:00] Tanthrix: I wish there was a perfect voip.
[08:49:00] Tanthrix: Voip app, that is.
[08:49:00] PatrickDK: heh
[08:50:00] Tanthrix: Google talk and skype both sound kind of clickety occasionally over a 100mb network
[08:50:00] Tanthrix: Which tells me something other than lack of bandwidth is going on.
[08:50:00] qfx: latency
[08:50:00] Tanthrix: Latency is fine too.
[08:50:00] qfx: Jitter
[08:51:00] Tanthrix: Eh?
[08:51:00] qfx: The only way to avoid that is basically to either circuit switch (what you get when you have a landline) or cache.
[08:52:00] qfx: They both cache, but you don't want to cache much because it adds that pause when you're talking. So they both cut it down to preetty small (like 50ms or so) and hope it's enough. Often it isn't so you get that little clickety
[08:52:00] Tanthrix: I see.
[08:52:00] Tanthrix: Funny, the 100 year old analog (Well, at least on user ends) phone system is still the best way to talk.
[08:52:00] qfx: Jitter is like when you send out a packet every 50 mSec, so even though you send one every 50msec, they don't necessarily arrive like that. They might arrive 3 all at once, then none for 150msec and then another one, then a time lag, then a bit more... etc.
[08:53:00] Ryushin: qfx: Well, you know your problem. I would say google that error and see what you turn up.
[08:53:00] qfx: OK Ryushin, YOu've really helped a lot. Thank you
[08:53:00] Ryushin: np. Have fun.
[08:53:00] Tanthrix: qfx: So how is voip feasible at all then?
[08:53:00] Tanthrix: Nothing I've seen even remotely comes close to regular landlines.
[08:54:00] qfx: Tanthrix: Because they do that caching. And it's not as bad as all that when you ahve so much extra bandwidth etc.... Like a standard voice call is 64kbps, compressed down to a little more like 10 for Skype, and all of a sudden you can do it
[08:54:00] Tanthrix: I suppose what I mean what is all the talk of voip being the next big thing?
[08:54:00] qfx: Voip will continue to grow, because it's not that much clickety, and advancements will be made
[08:55:00] Tanthrix: It's just amazing that I'm getting any jitter over my home network.
[08:56:00] Tanthrix: Seems that if it doesn't work well point to point over a 100mb ethernet hub, it won't work over any typical broadband connection.
[08:57:00] Tanthrix: My problems could be arrising from something else, but I can't think of any other issues.
[08:57:00] Tanthrix: It's not bad, the jitter that is. It's just there here and again, and it's distracting.
[08:58:00] PatrickDK: I hate that I can't use two tuners at once
[08:58:00] qfx: who knows... it could be collisions forcing retransmissions, it could be your network card caching, there's a lot of stuff in there
[08:58:00] Tanthrix: I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I suppose one can't be too perfect with stuff like this.
[08:59:00] Tanthrix: I've got a linux server that shares the net for my home network. Does dhcp for all the computers. 2 eth cards, one to the net, one for the home.
[09:00:00] Tanthrix: The Voip software isn't doing something weird like going through that server first before reaching each other would it?
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[09:04:00] Tanthrix: Hrm, it doesn't seem to be that bad...
[09:07:00] PatrickDK: https://www.virbiage.com/download.php
[09:07:00] PatrickDK: you can give that a shot
[09:07:00] PatrickDK: it's a nice little simple client for windows
[09:08:00] eiggirC: what TV signal is used in New Zealand? is it PAL, PAL-N, PAL-M, or PAL-NC ?
[09:09:00] Tanthrix: Hrm. To register a firefly number it says it needs a phone number for confirmation or something?
[09:09:00] eiggirC: everything I see from google says PAL-B/G
[09:10:00] Tanthrix: PatrickDK: Is there a way I can use firefly without a network, p2p?
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[09:17:00] Tanthrix: Alright, I'm connected. I don't suppose there is an answering / test echo service such as skype?
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[09:26:00] Tanthrix: Hrm, well, I'm off methinks. Thanks for the help. G'night
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[09:38:00] eiggirC: heh setup segfaulted on me – I haven;t got the card installed yet
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[09:45:00] sandos: Tanthrix: I just switched to voip... Ive got 10Mbit+ in each direction but I hear it works well on slower connections
[09:45:00] sandos: no problems yet
[09:47:00] sandos: "sound kind of clickety" ? Thats weird =)
[10:36:00] Tanthrix: Just the occasional stutter and I suppose what you would call split up sound.
[10:37:00] Tanthrix: ie, it sounds like a single sound split up into a bunch if individual frames, hence clickety ;)
[10:37:00] sandos: Ive had no such problems here. Im not using a softphone though...
[10:38:00] Tanthrix: What are you using?
[10:38:00] sandos: its a box called VTA111 from i3 micro
[10:38:00] sandos: its SIP..
[10:39:00] Tanthrix: Just a phone with an ethernet port? Or is it a voip > regular phone adapter or something
[10:39:00] sandos: the operator seems to have occasional problems with dropped sound though.. like 0.1–1s of sound just disappears.. but I think that problem is fixed now
[10:39:00] sandos: its a ethernet->regular phone thing
[10:41:00] Tanthrix: Interesting.
[10:41:00] Tanthrix: Do you use some kind of service like skype?
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[10:52:00] sandos: nope, I dont use any "p2p" service..
[10:52:00] Tanthrix: How does it work then?
[10:55:00] mchou: sandos: you using asterisk or ?
[10:58:00] sandos: yes, I am actually
[10:58:00] mchou: sandos: with this vta111 thingy?
[10:58:00] sandos: I pay for a sip-account that connects to the regular telephone etwork
[10:58:00] sandos: yes
[10:59:00] mchou: sandos: I dont get it. Where is the instance of asterisk running?
[10:59:00] sandos: I dont really "use" Asterisk for anything right now, but I will probably want to be able to use softphones at the same time as the regular phone, so thats the reason for the asterisk
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[10:59:00] sandos: at my router
[10:59:00] mchou: bah, then you arent running asterisk
[10:59:00] sandos: asterisk connects to my SIP provider (which gives me the ability to receive and place regular phonecalls)
[10:59:00] sandos: and then the box is connecting to asterisk =)
[11:00:00] mchou: when I say "use" asterisk I mean a FXO/FSO combo thingy :)
[11:00:00] sandos: haha ok ;)
[11:00:00] sandos: no, I dont use it _that_ way
[11:00:00] mchou: which is what I was wondering if the vta111
[11:01:00] sandos: my provider does that for me =)
[11:01:00] mchou: how much is this vta111 thingy?
[11:02:00] sandos: about $77. there are more feature-rich alternatives but I choose this because I can get support if it doesnt work etc. there are boxes at about the same price with 2x regular phone connections
[11:02:00] mchou: hmm, I see one can use tor on freenode again....
[11:03:00] sandos: this one only got one
[11:03:00] sandos: hmms
[11:03:00] sandos: I see the tor masking is, once again, buggy
[11:03:00] sandos: I dont have any irc ports open
[11:03:00] mchou: haha
[11:04:00] mchou: it aint tor masking
[11:04:00] mchou: it's not difficult to figure out who is using tor.
[11:05:00] sandos: but Im not using tor. thats the thing, I only run a router. That cloak is only supposed to show up if I actually allow connections via tor to freenode, which I dont
[11:05:00] sandos: not that it bothers me, really
[11:05:00] sandos: some channels ban all tor users on sight, but I dont usually go there anyway
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[11:06:00] mchou: so this vta thing, $70 and how much/mo?
[11:07:00] mchou: I think $70 is way too expensive for an FXO/FSO-like HW device......
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[11:21:00] sandos: for anyone else interested, it costs ~$10/mo and any landline and voip calls are free
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[11:21:00] sandos: its about $16 cheaper/mo for us than having telia which is the owner of all copperlines in Sweden
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[12:20:00] asdfasdf: i have a Biostar motherboard that uses the VIA KT266 chipset... are there any known problems with these motherboard/chipset?
[12:24:00] juski: I've never had any issues with Via chipsets, but lots of people say they have
[12:26:00] asdfasdf: where can i find out about issues with my chipset?
[12:26:00] juski: are you having issues?
[12:26:00] juski: or just doing research?
[12:27:00] asdfasdf: research =)
[12:27:00] asdfasdf: i won't want any suprises
[12:27:00] asdfasdf: plus, i don't have anything better to do while i'm waiting for my vid card =)
[12:27:00] juski: if the latter, google can find problems with just about any chipset you care to name
[12:28:00] juski: it's gonna be worth taking the board for a spin, then worry about issues when you run into them, IMHO
[12:28:00] asdfasdf: yeah i know, i'm just bored and can't sleep =)
[12:29:00] juski: install your chosen linux distro on a system with the board in it, and thrash it for a while ;-)
[12:29:00] asdfasdf: YES!!! googling for my motherboard model number with "mythtv" only brings up one hit... i think thats a good sign =)
[12:30:00] juski: dd the network device into a file for a while or something (with a PCI NIC)
[12:30:00] juski: only issues I've heard of with some via chipsets is PCI latency probs
[12:31:00] asdfasdf: i have no idea what "dd the network device into a file for a while" means =)
[12:31:00] juski: dd – direct dump (I think)
[12:31:00] asdfasdf: does order of terms you google for make a difference?
[12:32:00] juski: a little
[12:32:00] juski: but generally not
[12:35:00] asdfasdf: ok, thanks a lot juski
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[14:38:00] jonK: ssh jon@sparqy.com
[14:38:00] jonK: jesus, i have to quit doing that
[14:38:00] laga: hehehe
[14:39:00] jonK: at least i didn't type the password this time
[14:39:00] jonK: and it's all for naught, machine is not answering for some reason
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[14:55:00] yhan: hi
[14:56:00] yhan: is there somewhere the list of the key bindings of myhtmusic ?
[14:56:00] laga: yhan: try the readme of mythmusic
[14:56:00] yhan: thks
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[14:58:00] yhan: nothing about it in the readme, just info how to compile it
[14:59:00] yhan: perhaps you know what I'm looking, I'd like to have the key for fastforward within a song
[14:59:00] yhan: no to skip a song
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[15:02:00] yhan: doen't matter I've found :)
[15:02:00] yhan: thks anyway
[15:02:00] D-side: well thats what i get for messing with ivtv for no good reason.
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[15:08:00] D-side: laga: hi.
[15:16:00] D-side: pfeh. bored.
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[15:31:00] hans0lo: I'm using the Knoppmyth install. I hgave it working on one PC (backend) and want to use another PC for the frontend. When I try to connect the frontend, iit gives a mysql connect error. any ideas?
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[15:38:00] laga: hi D-side
[15:44:00] D-side: how goes it
[15:44:00] D-side: i'm stuck on a windows box and i dont know what to do with it
[15:44:00] laga: fine. i've just returned from voting. :)
[15:44:00] laga: D-side: minesweeper?
[15:45:00] D-side: been there already, overrate.
[15:45:00] D-side: d
[15:45:00] laga: battlefield 2?
[15:47:00] D-side: its a laptop.
[15:47:00] laga: ugh
[15:47:00] laga: disassemble it
[15:48:00] D-side: ?!
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[15:50:00] ExElNeT: is it possible to watch satelite tv with several clients at the same time?
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[16:13:00] ** juski 's patch of levon's patch is coming along now.. it even compiles lol **
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[16:26:00] ** juski has now got the EPG grabber to grab EPG data selectively :) **
[16:39:00] Krazylegz: Woo hoo!!! Congratulations juski.
[16:39:00] juski: I wasn't after a pat on the back, Krazylegz... but thanks anyway :-)
[16:40:00] juski: first foray into programming... I'd never even done a 'hello world' program before.
[16:45:00] juski: BTW – a huge thankyou to ... levon & GreyFoxx
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[17:05:00] laga: juski: that's great news!
[17:07:00] juski: yeh laga I'm 'quite pleased' ;-)
[17:07:00] laga: ;)
[17:09:00] juski: turned out, my function was working... but 2 things were wrong: i was using if (myfunction(m_selectedChannel) == "1")... apparently you can't compare strings like that. And m_selected channel wasn't being incremented when I skipped grabbing (duh)
[17:11:00] juski: it's a bit of a hack, but hey
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[18:12:00] marmoset: I finally got 16x9 stuff working (whoohoo!), but myth's performance is suffering heavily at the increased resolution. mplayer (using xv) is like 5–6% cpu when playing things, but mythfrontend + xfree86 is maxing out the CPU (amd64 3000+) when playing anything recorded. Are there any performance things I can do besides xvmc? xvmc doesn't seem to work for me.
[18:14:00] marmoset: (it's an nvidia 6200 card)
[18:15:00] mchou: marmoset: you need to buy an nvidia card that's not 6200
[18:16:00] mchou: marmoset: shared memory on vid card with A64 intergrated memory controller==no memory bandwidth......
[18:17:00] mchou: ppl who buy 6200 are just asking for a disaster. even mx4000 would work better for myth
[18:17:00] marmoset: mchou: why is mplayer fine then?
[18:17:00] mchou: what res is the actual video?
[18:17:00] marmoset: it's not shared memory on the vid card either afaik
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[18:18:00] mchou: all 6200 uses shared memory
[18:18:00] mchou: AFAIK
[18:18:00] mchou: "Turbocache"
[18:18:00] mchou: ==shared memory
[18:19:00] marmoset: The stuff I'm watching in mplayer is like 728x524 or something
[18:19:00] marmoset: the problem is, almost no current nvidia cards do HDTV resolutions
[18:19:00] mchou: over DVI, you mean :)
[18:19:00] marmoset: no
[18:19:00] marmoset: the tv encoder
[18:19:00] marmoset: I'm using a component out on the 6200 now
[18:20:00] mchou: huh??
[18:20:00] Ryushin: yea, huh?
[18:20:00] marmoset: recent nvidia cards have a tv encoder (svideo or whatever you use) made by nvidia, and very few of those will do hdtv resolutions
[18:21:00] mchou: what??
[18:21:00] marmoset: that's been my experience
[18:21:00] Ryushin: I'm doing DVI out on my fx 5200 at 1280x720 at 59.94 hertz.
[18:21:00] mchou: what kind of BS are you talking about?
[18:21:00] marmoset: Ryushin: that's DVI out
[18:21:00] mchou: marmoset: what kind of output you talking about?
[18:21:00] marmoset: mchou: I was using svideo, but now I'm using component
[18:22:00] qfx: Anyone know how to just reload the kernel modules without rebooting?
[18:22:00] mchou: svid and component are not HD by definition
[18:22:00] mchou: component is highe res than svid, but still not "HD"
[18:22:00] PatrickDK: component can't do real hd
[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: qfx rmmod module; modprobe module
[18:23:00] Chutt: component can't do real hd?
[18:23:00] Ryushin: mchou: moprobe -r module
[18:23:00] qfx: GreyFoxx TY
[18:23:00] marmoset: mchou: the tv encoder on my other cards (5200, mx440) refuses anything higher than 800x600
[18:24:00] PatrickDK: marmoset, component can onlyhandle up to like 850 or so
[18:24:00] PatrickDK: before it's maxed out
[18:24:00] mchou: Chutt: does component do 1080i?
[18:24:00] Chutt: uh, yes?
[18:24:00] PatrickDK: you can put 1080i through component, but it won't be 1080i quality
[18:24:00] Ryushin: Componet should to 1080i, composit does not.
[18:24:00] Chutt: i mean, considering that's how 99% of hdtvs are hooked up
[18:25:00] PatrickDK: heh? hdmi :)
[18:25:00] marmoset: regardless, I'm just trying to figure out how to make mythfrontend perform better, there's something obviously not working right and I don't know what it is
[18:25:00] Chutt: mchou, and not all 6200s are turbocache
[18:25:00] mchou: Chutt: ok, I stand corrected :)
[18:25:00] Chutt: and the component dongle is supported in linux for all 6+7 series that have them
[18:26:00] marmoset: Chutt: yeah, it's working fine here :)
[18:26:00] marmoset: even if it's not total HD, it's better than svideo, and with the card I can do 16x9 resolutions, which is what I wanted
[18:27:00] mchou: marmoset: then why are you complaining? :)
[18:27:00] marmoset: mchou: because I can't watch any recorded stuff
[18:27:00] marmoset: it pegs out the CPU
[18:27:00] marmoset: it's not doing DMA or something, I dunno
[18:27:00] marmoset: mplayer is fine tho
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: maybe Myth is falling back to X11 out rather than XV and mplayer is using xv ?
[18:27:00] marmoset: GreyFoxx: that's exactly what it seems like
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[18:28:00] PatrickDK: I have the same problem with my vid card
[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: marmoset: I've never looked for it, but maybe there will be something in the mythfrontend output with -v playback turned on ?
[18:28:00] marmoset: I tried enabling xvmc, but I just get a black screen, it never unfreezes (but switching to console causes it to segfault, so it's not like it's locking up the machine)
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[18:29:00] GreyFoxx: It's a LOT of stuff so redirect or log it to a file too
[18:30:00] marmoset: ok, trying, thanks. didn't know that was an option.
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: there are a couple -v options
[18:31:00] mchou: something else is going on......
[18:31:00] mchou: xvmc reduces cpu util by around 25% or so (compared to plain x11).....
[18:32:00] mchou: his cpu should not be pegged if mplayer cpu util is around 10% :)
[18:32:00] mchou: even if mplayer is using xvmc :)
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: which is why I wanted to knmow if for some reason myth is falling back to x11 output. I see the xvmc as issue #2 to deal with :)
[18:33:00] marmoset: hmm, says it's using xv
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: k
[18:34:00] marmoset: I never had luck with xvmc on any of my machines, never was a big deal tho
[18:34:00] beandog: me either.
[18:35:00] beandog: Doesnt it only work with MPEG2 anyway?
[18:35:00] marmoset: sucks, my laptop is being repaired, so I don't have another PC by the TV, so I have to either use my arcade machine on console (painful, on a TV) or go up and down 2 stories to the one in my office ;)
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've ever had a problem with it. But I rarely turn it on for anything but testing
[18:35:00] marmoset: debugging gets really slow when you have to climb stairs ;)
[18:35:00] mchou: I dont have problems with xvmc except the crappy picture quality and skippy OSD :)
[18:36:00] marmoset: yeah, I think the messed up OSD was what I had when it worked
[18:36:00] mchou: and also the 2 pixel blue line up top :)
[18:36:00] marmoset: h,,
[18:37:00] marmoset: er
[18:37:00] marmoset: hmm
[18:37:00] marmoset: 2005-09–18 09:35:40.935 DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such device or address
[18:37:00] marmoset: I wonder if that's related
[18:37:00] mchou: but that tells me xvmc is on :)
[18:37:00] mchou: marmoset: huh??
[18:37:00] marmoset: well, dri isn't working apparently
[18:38:00] mchou: I dont even have /dev/dri :)
[18:38:00] mchou: you using the "free" nv drivers or proprietary nvidia driver??
[18:38:00] mchou: :)
[18:39:00] marmoset: before I started doing these higher resolution, I think I had the same problem, because mythfrontend used like 20–25% of the cpu, which always seemed like a lot, but I didn't really care ;)
[18:39:00] marmoset: proprietary
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[18:40:00] mchou: well, I dunno what's going on in you case. Why is it probing for DRI?
[18:40:00] marmoset: dunno, may be totally unrelated
[18:40:00] mchou: I dont have /dev/dri unless there is some other symlink.
[18:41:00] mchou: that sounds like ATI junk
[18:41:00] mchou: :)
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[18:47:00] marmoset: mplayer can play the .nuvs with 8% cpu used as well, fwiw
[18:47:00] marmoset: (they're pvr250 output)
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[19:01:00] ** xris curses the worldwide music recording racket. **
[19:01:00] ** xris wishes he knew someone in BE **
[19:03:00] marmoset: hey xris
[19:03:00] xris: yo
[19:03:00] xris: long time no see
[19:03:00] marmoset: yeah, been super busy
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[19:12:00] guitar256: Anybody have experience setting up HDTV over a Scientific Atlantic box?
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[19:14:00] v_thunder: hi; I'm looking for some info on using a remote frontend
[19:14:00] v_thunder: can one watch "live" tv that way?
[19:14:00] v_thunder: and is the rewind/fast forward performance acceptable over a network?
[19:15:00] guitar256: yes, yes
[19:15:00] v_thunder: really. that's nice (and surprising)
[19:16:00] v_thunder: so if I hook up cable to a linux box in my basement, I can watch from the live buffer remotely, no problems
[19:16:00] v_thunder: over 100bT, or is wireless ok?
[19:17:00] marmoset: v_thunder: I doubt wireless would be that good
[19:17:00] marmoset: I do it over 100bT sometimes tho
[19:17:00] v_thunder: that's sensible
[19:17:00] marmoset: the only trick for me is that I have to pause for a second, then watch it
[19:17:00] guitar256: supposidly 54mbs is fast enough if you get a good solid signal
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: b would be iffy, g would be fine depending on how clean the signal is. Wired is no problem
[19:17:00] marmoset: it doesn't prebuffer enough, I don't know why
[19:17:00] v_thunder: I see
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: I've got 4 remote frontends (all wired) and have watched 3 streams at the same with no hiccups
[19:18:00] marmoset: nice
[19:18:00] marmoset: I need to finish up the stuff in my house
[19:18:00] marmoset: get it in all the rooms ;)
[19:19:00] v_thunder: I only have one tv; but the machine hooked up to it is a mac
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: You can compile/use mythfrontend on OSX, though I have never done it since I don't have any mac gear here
[19:19:00] v_thunder: so my only option for mythtv appears to be a backend box elsewhere
[19:19:00] v_thunder: right; that's sort of the plan
[19:19:00] v_thunder: but I currently have a replaytv
[19:20:00] v_thunder: so I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble to do this
[19:20:00] ** v_thunder is undecided :-/ **
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:21:00] PatrickDK: I have two replaytv boxes
[19:21:00] mchou: v_thunder: do it, you know you wanna
[19:21:00] v_thunder: haha
[19:21:00] PatrickDK: I plan on getting everything converted to mythtv
[19:21:00] v_thunder: I do, but I'm still a bit worried about the streaming bit
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: worried about what?
[19:22:00] PatrickDK: streaming isn't nearly as bad on mythtv as it is on the replaytv
[19:22:00] v_thunder: too bad none of my friends have it; I'd like to try it out
[19:22:00] mchou: v_thunder: then use knoppmyth :0
[19:22:00] v_thunder: GreyFoxx: any lag after I hit "rewind" or "fast forward" – stuff like that
[19:22:00] PatrickDK: greyfoxx, replaytv rewind/fastfoward is horrible from box to box
[19:22:00] v_thunder: PatrickDK: yes; but I don't use it that way
[19:23:00] v_thunder: the replaytv is hooked up directly to the tv
[19:23:00] mchou: there is a slight lag, but it's on the order of millisec
[19:23:00] GreyFoxx: v_thunder: seriously, on a 100bt network any lag is miniscule
[19:23:00] mchou: hardly noticable
[19:23:00] v_thunder: okay
[19:23:00] mchou: I agree with GreyFoxx on that
[19:23:00] v_thunder: that sounds pretty good..
[19:23:00] PatrickDK: if there is lag, it's all cause of the cpu
[19:23:00] PatrickDK: and the cpu in the replaytv is like, 150mhz or someting like that
[19:24:00] PatrickDK: that is why it has lag
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[19:24:00] v_thunder: PatrickDK: yeah, the rtv is almost unbearably slow
[19:24:00] mchou: PatrickDK: bah, I thought replay tv has decoder ASIC
[19:24:00] v_thunder: even just to display menus and the like
[19:24:00] PatrickDK: mchou, hardware decoder doesn't help fastforward/rewind
[19:24:00] PatrickDK: or the gui
[19:25:00] mchou: I mean my router doesnt have more than 150 Mhz :)
[19:25:00] v_thunder: I use the "jump" feature in rtv way more than ff/rw
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[19:25:00] v_thunder: anyway
[19:25:00] v_thunder: I'm encouraged :)
[19:25:00] v_thunder: maybe I'll get a pvr250 and do this thing
[19:25:00] guitar256: GreyFoxx: just got the niveus fired up, and the mouse works, but how do i map keys to functions?
[19:26:00] v_thunder: I set up knoppmyth on the linux box and the frontend on the mac – but w/o an input card it's sort of pointless
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: guitar256: Edit the source :)
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: But they buttons should already be mapped to myth's controls
[19:26:00] beandog: Get a ConvertX
[19:26:00] mchou: it aint pointeless at all
[19:26:00] PatrickDK: v_thunder, I am working on a replaytv -> mythtv conertion
[19:26:00] beandog: hw recording to mpeg4
[19:26:00] guitar256: they're not
[19:26:00] mchou: v_thunder: just use a dummy mpeg file.....
[19:27:00] v_thunder: mchou: to test?
[19:27:00] v_thunder: can I do that?
[19:27:00] guitar256: only thing that works is the mouse and L/R in X, not in myth
[19:27:00] mchou: at least you can test out the streaming in your house :)
[19:27:00] v_thunder: totally, I'd love to do that
[19:27:00] mchou: v_thunder: sure you can do that
[19:27:00] v_thunder: where do I drop the file for that?
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: guitar256: show me your dmesg ouput relating to the loading of the driver (put it on www.pastebin.ca)
[19:27:00] mchou: anywhere you want
[19:28:00] v_thunder: sure, ok, but uh.. what do I do
[19:28:00] guitar256: k
[19:28:00] mchou: v_thunder: I'm too lazy to explain.....but basically you modify a few fields in the db and you're ready to go
[19:28:00] ** v_thunder scp's an mpeg to the mythtv box **
[19:29:00] guitar256: http://pastebin.ca/23289
[19:30:00] guitar256: GreyFoxx --^
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: guitar256: There should be lines relating to the loading. Those are relating to the buttons you are pressing
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: unload and reload the module
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: then send me the dmesg output
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[19:32:00] guitar256: shrug, works now after reloading, maybe i typed up the option wrong, is the list of button commands listed in the source?
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: guitar256: yes it is
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: in the ati_remote_tbl_niveus table
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: the other tables are for different remote types
[19:33:00] guitar256: in the c file
[19:34:00] guitar256: anyways, i'm glad it works, it's pretty sweet :) :) thanx!
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: np
[19:36:00] guitar256: one other thing: where can I stick the command so it starts up when booting?
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[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: depends on your distro I guess. I load it in a script called from /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[19:37:00] guitar256: k, i can put it there
[19:37:00] guitar256: just drop '/path/to/modprobe ati_remote lolatype=1' at the bottom of it?
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: that should do it
[19:38:00] guitar256: k, thanx
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[19:39:00] miah: hi
[19:40:00] mchou: heh, slowed down my video card fan and now my system is total silent
[19:40:00] miah: i just picked up a wintv card at the flea for cheap, has a conexant 25878 chip on it.. i see some talk about the cx23 chipset and a module to support it, anybody know if this card i found works?
[19:42:00] mchou: miah: it all depends. you dunno unless you try
[19:42:00] mchou: but most likely it will work.
[19:42:00] miah: cool
[19:42:00] mchou: and I think that's a SW encoder
[19:42:00] miah: ya i havent even begun to build my mythtv box yet, but i have 2 tv cards now
[19:42:00] mchou: how $ was it?
[19:42:00] miah: $10
[19:43:00] mchou: miah: not bad
[19:43:00] miah: my friend gave me a "temic" tv tuner, it has a BT chipset on it, so that should definitely work
[19:44:00] mchou: 25878 is same at bt878, more or less :)
[19:44:00] Vantage__: hi. I've got a mythtv machine set up right now, but i'm looking to get a smaller front-end for it. anyone have any experience with the asus pundit series or other small/quiet front-ends?
[19:44:00] miah: this has a BT848KPF
[19:44:00] mchou: miah: that's just a slight older version of 878
[19:44:00] miah: ah cool
[19:44:00] miah: i need to pickup a cheap 2ghz+ type system now
[19:45:00] mchou: forget about that. get a HW encoder card
[19:45:00] miah: ya?
[19:45:00] mchou: SW encoders leaves a bit to be desired.
[19:45:00] miah: i have a matrox g200 around here somewhere, do all of those have encoding capability or only special models?
[19:46:00] mchou: special models, iirc
[19:47:00] miah: looking at the ivytv site now
[19:47:00] miah: ah ok
[19:47:00] beandog: If you want a good hardware encoder, get the Plextor ConvertX
[19:47:00] beandog: mpeg1,2,4 hw encoder.
[19:47:00] mchou: Convertx does mpeg4?
[19:48:00] beandog: yahp
[19:48:00] beandog: thats what Im using.
[19:48:00] mchou: hmm, interesting
[19:48:00] beandog: open source linux drivers, too.
[19:48:00] beandog: made by the company.
[19:48:00] mchou: covertx is $200 or so last time I looked
[19:48:00] beandog: yahp
[19:48:00] beandog: definately worth it though.
[19:48:00] mchou: a bit steep compared to $60 :)
[19:49:00] miah: ya
[19:49:00] miah: im looking to not spend loads of cash on this
[19:49:00] mchou: $200 buys you a tivo :)
[19:49:00] beandog: Yah but Tivo is still a monthly fee for the good features
[19:50:00] mchou: bah. rent it from the cableco then :)
[19:50:00] v_thunder: mchou: hrm.. should I add a line to the 'recorded' table in the db?
[19:50:00] miah: whats a good encoder in the $60 range?
[19:50:00] mchou: I think it's about $5/mo or so from cableco
[19:50:00] v_thunder: or 'program'? or 'recordedprogram'? I don't know this schema at all
[19:50:00] mchou: pvr150 mce
[19:51:00] mchou: v_thunder: you definitely want to put it into recored and maybe oldrecorded
[19:51:00] mchou: recorded*
[19:52:00] v_thunder: ok. I don't see any 'filename' field, though
[19:52:00] miah: would that replace one of my existing tuners?
[19:52:00] v_thunder: do I have to move the file into some location? based on recordid or something?
[19:53:00] mchou: that's cause filename is concat of chanid starttime stoptime
[19:53:00] Vantage__: how is support for the pvr-150 in mythtv these days?
[19:53:00] v_thunder: aha.
[19:53:00] v_thunder: so I'd need to add a channel as well
[19:53:00] mchou: Vantage__: no complaint from me, and I have 3 :)
[19:54:00] Vantage__: mchou: i've got a pvr-250 in mine right now, when adding a second would it have to be a pvr-250 or could I throw a pvr-150 in there?
[19:54:00] mchou: Vantage__: interoperability gets much more complicated with ivtv
[19:55:00] mchou: but it should work
[19:55:00] Vantage__: mchou: i thought it might...
[19:55:00] Vantage__: mchou: i've also got it hooked up to a digital cable box and the second one would be just basic cable. think that might get tricky as well?
[19:55:00] mchou: Vantage__: nope
[19:56:00] mchou: that is easy by comparison
[19:56:00] mchou: :)
[19:56:00] Vantage__: mchou: then it might be worthwhile to spend the extra cash on a pvr-250 to save the headaches... how's your set up? one box or backend-frontend split?
[19:57:00] mchou: Vantage__: you'd be much better off selling 250 on fleabay and get pvr 500 :)
[19:57:00] mchou: or 2 150's :)
[19:57:00] Vantage__: mchou: good point. would the 500 be able to deal with the digital cable box/analogue cable split set up easy?
[19:58:00] mchou: I use a P2 450 as a back end stuffed w/ 3 150s
[19:58:00] miah: wow
[19:58:00] mchou: Vantage__: yeah.
[19:59:00] mchou: Vantage__: 500 is seen by OS as 2 150s, more or less
[19:59:00] Vantage__: mchou: what do you use on the frontend? i'm also looking to set up a frontend in the bedroom, but haven't decided on hardware/set up. the front end just needs s-video out and a remote, right?
[19:59:00] Vantage__: no additional capture cards
[20:00:00] mchou: Vantage__: depends if HDTV is in your future :)
[20:00:00] miah: has anybody looked at somehow using/modifying those 'media extender' thingys that 'work with wmce' from linksys/smc ?
[20:00:00] Vantage__: mchou: shoot. I hadn't thought of that :)
[20:00:00] Vantage__: mchou: what then?
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[20:00:00] mchou: so what what?
[20:01:00] Vantage__: mchou: if HDTV is in the future. just another output card?
[20:01:00] mchou: if you go with HDTV I'd probably recommend a64 3000+ for frontend (less would work, but not optimal)
[20:02:00] mchou: and if only analog basically any 1Ghz and up.
[20:02:00] mchou: my recommendations leave abit of headroom and is not intended for misers :)
[20:03:00] Vantage__: mchou: wouldn't the backend require more cpu than the frontend (since it's doing all the disk writes?)
[20:03:00] mchou: Vantage__: only if you use SW raid 5 :)
[20:04:00] Vantage__: so why does the frontend require so much cpu?
[20:04:00] mchou: decoding video takes more CPU than disk writes
[20:07:00] Vantage__: mchou: so what are you using on your frontend?
[20:08:00] mchou: a64 3200+
[20:08:00] mchou: Cool and Quiet is da bomb :)
[20:09:00] mchou: I swear that thing is quieter than my P2.....
[20:09:00] Vantage__: regular pc case of small form factor?
[20:09:00] mchou: my CPU fan on a64 is 800 rpm at idle
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[20:10:00] guitar256: I've got some weird issues with volume inside myth: from about 0–55% the volume is constant (medium level) from about 55–65% it actually decreases volume and from 65–100 it increases.......If i adjust it with kmix volume change is normal
[20:10:00] mchou: I could pebably use passive cooling on it safely :)
[20:10:00] PatrickDK: I do love my water cooled system
[20:10:00] PatrickDK: just wish I could fit a water cooled system in a mini htpc case
[20:10:00] mchou: Vantage__: regular ATX
[20:11:00] mchou: never have enough slots :)
[20:11:00] mchou: and pci-e exacerbates that situation
[20:12:00] mchou: If I were to do it all over again i'd probably get a a64 agp mobo
[20:12:00] Vantage__: mchou: wow, why so many slots needed?
[20:12:00] mchou: cause I like my toys? :)
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[20:13:00] mchou: most other ppl can probably get away w/ mATX
[20:13:00] mchou: I'm just perculiar that way.
[20:13:00] PatrickDK: I only see a need for 3 slots
[20:13:00] mchou: peculiar*
[20:13:00] PatrickDK: two lowprofile pvr150, and a nice video card
[20:14:00] mchou: how about ATSC card?
[20:14:00] PatrickDK: atleast for a frontend
[20:14:00] PatrickDK: mchou, that would be in my backend machine
[20:14:00] mchou: heh
[20:14:00] PatrickDK: and I don't think they make atsc in lowprofil
[20:14:00] mchou: they do
[20:14:00] PatrickDK: ah
[20:14:00] mchou: Fusion 5 comes in low profile, iirc
[20:14:00] PatrickDK: heh, put 3 atsc cards in the backend
[20:15:00] PatrickDK: and two pvr150 in each frontend
[20:15:00] mchou: almost there, have 2 in my backend
[20:15:00] PatrickDK: should be plunty of recording power :)
[20:15:00] mchou: yup
[20:15:00] mchou: 5 recording cards total
[20:15:00] PatrickDK: if yo uhave one frontend
[20:15:00] PatrickDK: I will have 3 or 4 frontends
[20:16:00] mchou: I have 3 frontends not counting my laptop
[20:16:00] Beirdo: OK, WTF just filled root on my PVR?
[20:16:00] PatrickDK: actually, there is only one hdtv channel that plays anything that is possible I would record
[20:16:00] mchou: Beirdo: haha!
[20:16:00] mchou: Beirdo: /var/log?
[20:16:00] Beirdo: damned computers
[20:16:00] Vantage__: Beirdo: is /tmp on root?
[20:16:00] Beirdo: no, /var/log's separate
[20:17:00] Beirdo: core dumps in /root
[20:17:00] Beirdo: bet that's is
[20:17:00] mchou: yeah, probably
[20:17:00] Beirdo: 9 of em at 120MB+
[20:17:00] Beirdo: each
[20:17:00] Beirdo: yup
[20:17:00] mchou: PatrickDK: you kidding me
[20:17:00] PatrickDK: no, I can only recieve 3 hdtv stations
[20:17:00] mchou: PBS alone has like 3 channels for me
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: there is nothing I would record on pbs
[20:18:00] mchou: not to mention "24"
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: except maybe, once or twice a year
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: I can also get PAX
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: I don't do that at all
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: and I can get NBC
[20:18:00] mchou: PatrickDK: stop bein such a heathen
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: might record something once a weel from nbc
[20:18:00] mchou: PBS is da bomb
[20:18:00] PatrickDK: sorry, I'm a scifi channel guy
[20:18:00] mchou: Nova is on PBS
[20:19:00] mchou: beats scifi channel any day
[20:19:00] PatrickDK: give me stargate, or give me death :)
[20:19:00] mchou: PAX on the other hand, is just a waste of spectrum
[20:20:00] mchou: oh, forgot about "CSI"
[20:20:00] mchou: and "House"
[20:20:00] mchou: and maybe L&O
[20:20:00] Beirdo: now to repair the DBs
[20:20:00] Beirdo: fucking hell
[20:21:00] mchou: Beirdo: what the heck happened, you move to New Orleans? :)
[20:21:00] Beirdo: no, my root partition filled, numbnuts
[20:22:00] mchou: you keep your DB in root??
[20:22:00] mchou: brave guy :)
[20:22:00] PatrickDK: damn it, I hate not being able to change tuners
[20:23:00] PatrickDK: heh, channel guide should be able to switch tuners if it's needed
[20:23:00] mchou: the Y key works wonders :)
[20:23:00] PatrickDK: ya, but I shouldn't have to change tuners manuall, so I can change to the correct channel
[20:23:00] Beirdo: whew
[20:23:00] PatrickDK: if I select an HDTV channel, it should switch to an avalable hdtv tuner
[20:23:00] Beirdo: nothing needed repair
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[20:27:00] mchou: hmm. perhaps I should have bought 0.5W zener diodes rather than 1 W
[20:28:00] mchou: 0.56 is close enought to 0.5......
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[20:28:00] mchou: bah
[20:28:00] Beirdo: over-power spec is just fine, less likely to burn out
[20:28:00] Beirdo: is overkill
[20:29:00] mchou: Beirdo: you mean 1W is overkill, right?
[20:29:00] Beirdo: that's how much power they can dissipate before they blow
[20:29:00] Beirdo: yes
[20:29:00] PatrickDK: zener diodes are backwards :)
[20:29:00] Beirdo: if you are replacing 0.56W with 1W, it should work fine
[20:29:00] mchou: backwards is good.
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[20:30:00] Beirdo: if you replace it with 0.5W, it may (maybe) burn out faster, although not terribly likely
[20:30:00] mchou: Beirdo: I wanna go the other way  :) (space constraints)
[20:30:00] Beirdo: and it will only burn out if it's conducting electricity
[20:30:00] mchou: oh, believe me, it will be conducting all the time (fan)
[20:31:00] Beirdo: which is when the voltage applied across it is significantly above the zener's brek point
[20:31:00] Beirdo: break..
[20:31:00] Beirdo: WTF are you doing?
[20:31:00] mchou: slowing down my dc fans
[20:31:00] Beirdo: ahhhh
[20:31:00] mchou: ghetto method
[20:31:00] Beirdo: how much voltage you dropping?
[20:31:00] mchou: ~3.3
[20:32:00] Beirdo: what current does the fan draw?
[20:32:00] PatrickDK: why not just use a resistor?
[20:32:00] mchou: +/- 0.6
[20:32:00] mchou: cause resistor sux
[20:32:00] v_thunder: mchou: hey, what format are the times for the recorded filename?
[20:32:00] v_thunder: I have starttime/stoptime set to 0000-00–00 00:00:00
[20:32:00] Beirdo: MMDDYYYHHMMSS
[20:32:00] v_thunder: aha
[20:32:00] v_thunder: thanks
[20:32:00] Beirdo: I think
[20:32:00] Beirdo: missed a Y
[20:32:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:32:00] mchou: multiple fans: 0.07, 0.17, 0.23 A
[20:33:00] Beirdo: and you're dropping from 12V?
[20:33:00] mchou: Beirdo: prefix with chanid
[20:33:00] v_thunder: do I separate chanid & the times with anything? or is it just a straight concat?
[20:33:00] mchou: Beirdo: yup
[20:33:00] Beirdo: to 3.3?!
[20:33:00] Beirdo: jeez
[20:33:00] Beirdo: that's crazy
[20:33:00] PatrickDK: no, 12v-3.3v
[20:33:00] mchou: Beirdo: no, 12–3.3 :)
[20:33:00] Beirdo: ahhhhh
[20:33:00] Beirdo: whew
[20:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:33:00] Beirdo: so. 3.3V * 0.07A = ??
[20:34:00] mchou: I doubt the fan would even start at 3.3V
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[20:34:00] PatrickDK: most need 6–8v to start
[20:34:00] mchou: Beirdo: wrong equation
[20:34:00] Beirdo: yeah, most do
[20:34:00] Beirdo: mchou: no it isn't
[20:34:00] mchou: VzIf(Vf-Vz)/Vf
[20:35:00] mchou: ==required power rating of diode
[20:35:00] mchou: z:zener, f:fan
[20:36:00] Beirdo: yeah, sounds right
[20:36:00] Beirdo: duh, I need to lay off the crack
[20:37:00] Beirdo: eeew
[20:37:00] redfox: actually... Beirdo is right. You have a 3.3V drop across the diode, and are putting 0.7A through it
[20:37:00] Beirdo: Barbara Streisand and Barry Gibb are putting out an album?!
[20:37:00] Beirdo: no
[20:37:00] redfox: so the power loss is 3.3*.07
[20:37:00] Beirdo: wait
[20:37:00] Beirdo: is the zener in series with the fan?
[20:38:00] mchou: Beirdo: yup
[20:38:00] redfox: I'm assuming it is...
[20:38:00] Beirdo: then I had the right equation
[20:38:00] mchou: nah, mine is right.
[20:38:00] Beirdo: power dissipation = VzIz
[20:38:00] mchou: triple checked
[20:38:00] redfox: mchou, any reason you are using zeneir instead of regular diodes?
[20:38:00] Beirdo: mchou, don't be a dumbass
[20:39:00] mchou: redfox: yup, cause I only need one diode instead of 5 :)
[20:39:00] redfox: zeneir will work, but they are usually only used in higher precision power supplies and apps like that
[20:39:00] Beirdo: ALL the current going through the fan goes through the zener
[20:39:00] redfox: mchou, what zeneir are you using?
[20:39:00] redfox: it should have a similar voltage drop to a regular diode
[20:39:00] mchou: 1N4728, iirc
[20:40:00] Beirdo: so add the inherent current needs of the zener to the fan's stated current to get the final current (as the supply isn't limited)
[20:40:00] mchou: maybe 1N4278 (dyslexic)
[20:40:00] Beirdo: then multiply by the voltage drop across the zener
[20:40:00] Beirdo: that's how much power it will be dissipating
[20:40:00] redfox: hey mchou, you are reading the zenier diodes wrong
[20:40:00] Beirdo: leakage current or whatever for the zener
[20:41:00] mchou: redfox: huh??
[20:41:00] redfox: when a zenier is rated at 3.3V, that means it will allow power to flow backwards when it is above 3.3V
[20:41:00] redfox: it still will have a voltage drop of 0.6–0.7v
[20:41:00] mchou: lol
[20:41:00] Beirdo: in series, it will only drop about 0.7–1.5V forward biased, I believe
[20:41:00] mchou: redfox: reverse vs forward bias :)
[20:41:00] redfox: yeah but it still won't drop 3.3V
[20:42:00] mchou: redfox: sure it will
[20:42:00] redfox: hrm... just a second...
[20:42:00] mchou: I have the voltmeter here :)
[20:42:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:42:00] mchou: you guys need to go back to skool :)
[20:43:00] redfox: yeah I guess it would drop if you put it in reverse
[20:43:00] mchou: redfox: haha
[20:43:00] redfox: although I still don't know where you got your power equation from
[20:43:00] Beirdo: mchou, you need to remove yourself from the soapbox
[20:43:00] PatrickDK: just use a transistor
[20:43:00] PatrickDK: that is what they are made for
[20:44:00] Beirdo: MMM... JFEt
[20:44:00] PatrickDK: dc-dc converter?
[20:44:00] redfox: I was going to suggust a LDO regulator
[20:44:00] Beirdo: stupid shift key
[20:44:00] Beirdo: zener works fine
[20:44:00] mchou: PatrickDK: that's way too complicated for a simple application like this :)
[20:44:00] Beirdo: as long as ya don't burn the bish
[20:44:00] mchou: parts count > 1:)
[20:45:00] PatrickDK: I bet a transistor connected to a thermeter would work wonders :)
[20:45:00] mchou: PatrickDK: parts count > 1
[20:45:00] Beirdo: buying larger quieter fans would work too
[20:45:00] PatrickDK: ok, a fan with built in thermeter part count <1
[20:45:00] mchou: nah, this is on the video card
[20:46:00] Beirdo: oh
[20:46:00] PatrickDK: beirdo, that works, exceptwhen the case only accepts 40mm and 60mm fans
[20:46:00] PatrickDK: my other cases I have moded for 160mm fans :)
[20:48:00] mchou: I bought a holesaw too :)
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[20:48:00] Beirdo: try it out on the trunk of your neighbour's car
[20:48:00] mchou: too bad my drill doesnt have high torque
[20:48:00] mchou: Beirdo: I aim to :)
[20:50:00] Beirdo: or the gas tank
[20:50:00] mchou: nah, gas tank would be foolish
[20:50:00] Beirdo: do that in the hood
[20:50:00] Beirdo: it "improves performance"
[20:50:00] mchou: a new hood ornament is just the thing
[20:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:51:00] Beirdo: use a chunk of the roof as the new hood ornament?
[20:51:00] mchou: no, I plan to drill right by the air filter
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[20:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:51:00] mchou: or more appropriately, the air intake
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[20:52:00] Beirdo: be careful not to mess up the TUNED intake in most modern cars
[20:52:00] Beirdo: if ya have a Dodge Charger... go nuts
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[20:54:00] Beirdo: time to watch some Sopranos
[20:54:00] Beirdo: seeya
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[21:11:00] sphing: lol
[21:12:00] snerfu: I just need to find a converter cable from the mini-plug to composite for my audio into the TV now.
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[21:33:00] redfox: has anyone seen a "No useable audio output driver found." error?
[21:33:00] redfox: from mythfrontend
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[22:09:00] immolo: Has anyone had an issuse with mythbackend where if it started in the start scripts it fails to load but if you start it by hand after everything finishs to load it starts fine?
[22:13:00] Tanthrix: Add --verbose all > logfile and it will write the output of mythbackend and maybe you can figure out what's going on
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[22:14:00] immolo: Tanthrix- It would connect to the mysql database
[22:14:00] immolo: would= won't
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[22:15:00] Tanthrix: Perhaps it's trying to load mythbackend before mysqld is started?
[22:15:00] gnuyen: Hi guys, would you guys recommend jfs or xfs for a 1 terabyte raid 5 array for mythtv?
[22:15:00] Beirdo: yes
[22:16:00] gnuyen: i mean
[22:16:00] gnuyen: which
[22:17:00] immolo: Tanthrix- MySQL is always on as it's running on my server
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[22:17:00] Beirdo: I use XFS, you choose, there may be a decent comparison on the web somewhere
[22:17:00] gnuyen: i just don't know which would be better for the specific needs of mythtv
[22:17:00] Tanthrix: Permissions issue? Is the script running mythbackend as a different user than you usually do?
[22:17:00] gnuyen: both do different things faster than each other
[22:18:00] snerfu: I use XFS, some people mentioned various errors when combined with raid I read.
[22:18:00] immolo: Tanthrix- I've tried starting at root and mythuser same result
[22:18:00] Beirdo: snerfu, some people can find issue with anything... it's called USER error
[22:18:00] snerfu: Hehe
[22:18:00] Tanthrix: Well, this is a bit of an annoying workaround, but can you just load the script later? Maybe load it from your xinitrc?
[22:18:00] redfox: gnuyen, I've had good results with ReiserFS, but I'm not sure how well it would work on HDs that big
[22:19:00] gnuyen: i thought reiser was designed for a bunch of little files
[22:19:00] Beirdo: mythtv uses a bunch of multi-gigabyte files
[22:19:00] gnuyen: and myth is going to be a bunch of big files
[22:19:00] rtsai: gnuyen: there's a link in the mythtv docs that points to a filesystem comparson
[22:19:00] Beirdo: which both jfs and xfs are good at last I heard
[22:19:00] redfox: gnuyen, yes I have read that it is optimized for larger files
[22:19:00] gnuyen: yeah
[22:20:00] redfox: but it has always been so stable for me, I figured I'd try it out for this
[22:20:00] gnuyen: thats why I'm debating between xfs and jfs
[22:20:00] Beirdo: so, do you want IBM's invention (jfs) or SGI's (xfs)?
[22:20:00] rtsai: xfs and jfs are both good for big files (xfs is also good at small fils), but xfs costs more CPU
[22:20:00] Beirdo: the CPU usage of XFS is still quite minimal, I've found
[22:20:00] gnuyen: i only have a celeron 2.8 i think in there
[22:20:00] Beirdo: but either should work well
[22:20:00] rtsai: gnuyen: either should be fine
[22:21:00] immolo: Tanthrix- I think I've found my issue
[22:21:00] redfox: XFS is a filesystem with metadata journaling which comes with a robust feature-set and is optimized for scalability. We only recommend using this filesystem on Linux systems with high-end SCSI and/or fibre channel storage and an uninterruptible power supply. Because XFS aggressively caches in-transit data in RAM, improperly designed programs (those that don't take proper precautions when writing files to disk and there are qu
[22:21:00] redfox: ite a few of them) can lose a good deal of data if the system goes down unexpectedly.
[22:21:00] redfox: JFS is IBM's high-performance journaling filesystem. It has recently become production-ready and there hasn't been a sufficient track record to comment positively nor negatively on its general stability at this point.
[22:21:00] rtsai: gnuyen: if you care that much, read the docs
[22:21:00] Beirdo: my fileserver is on a Athlon 2200
[22:21:00] redfox: found that online, if it helps
[22:21:00] immolo: The Gentoo init script starts things in different places
[22:21:00] gnuyen: i have a celeron 2.8 and 3 hauppage 250s in there
[22:22:00] gnuyen: i wonder if cpu will be an issue enough to choose jfs
[22:22:00] snerfu: That guy that writes the fedora mythtv setup howto does an awesome job.
[22:22:00] PatrickDK: cpu is not a resonto use jfs
[22:22:00] PatrickDK: the only good thing about jfs is it's file deletion time
[22:22:00] gnuyen: as opposed to xfs?
[22:22:00] Beirdo: xfs is damn fast at it too
[22:23:00] immolo: jfs doesn't access the disk as much as other fs
[22:23:00] Tanthrix: So, basically, they're all relatively equal, flip a coin, and good luck!
[22:23:00] gnuyen: i guess xfs is more mature
[22:23:00] Beirdo: most of the accesses will be the data
[22:25:00] gnuyen: so xfs it is
[22:25:00] gnuyen: thanks gnuys
[22:25:00] gnuyen: guys
[22:25:00] gnuyen: if i set the quality of recording to high quality
[22:25:00] mishehu: hey, anybody using an sb audigy platinum remote? curious to know how hard it is to get it to work.
[22:25:00] gnuyen: will an xbox running myth be able to play it?
[22:25:00] redfox: gnuyen, I've never tried xfs, let me know if you like it
[22:25:00] gnuyen: assuming it's recording in mpeg2
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[22:26:00] gnuyen: which i assume it does if it's using hauppage 250s
[22:26:00] mishehu: xfs is good for very large files.
[22:26:00] mishehu: jeezuz it takes forever to generate sha1sums of 10gb files.
[22:27:00] immolo: you guys know of any good bootsplashs for a myth box?
[22:28:00] GreyFoxx: I had an old one that I used around 2 years ago.
[22:29:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtv-bootsplash-0.2.tar.gz
[22:29:00] GreyFoxx: no idea if it would still work or if there is a newer version out there
[22:31:00] immolo: GreyFoxx- Thanks, I've only seen that one and the GANT one
[22:31:00] PatrickDK: you need one to loads at kernel boot
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: that one does
[22:32:00] PatrickDK: ah
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: though I literally haven't insalled it on anything in almost 2 years
[22:32:00] PatrickDK: hmm, I bet the linux bios project would be handy for that
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[22:37:00] snerfu: Hmm the audio is out of sync a bit on my recordings
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[22:38:00] PatrickDK: have you triedboth, sync to video, and sync to audio
[22:39:00] snerfu: No I will try that
[22:39:00] snerfu: Thats inside mythfrontend?
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[22:44:00] immolo: Do you guys think a celeron 900mhz could run without a fan? some reviews say it can and others not
[22:44:00] DD: hi there! are there any howtos/docs about a configuring the backend for dvb-s with diseqc?
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[22:45:00] DD: immolo: i would not try it. use a BIG fan, that can run really slow...
[22:46:00] immolo: DD – I suppose I can pull my temp controller from my server and plug it into my media
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[22:54:00] snerfu: my audio sync problem worked itself out somehow.
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[22:58:00] sandos: mchou: you asked about my monthly SIP fee, right?
[22:59:00] sandos: its slightly less than $10
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[22:59:00] gnuyen: um i'm running knoppmyth
[23:00:00] gnuyen: and want to run mythweb on a different port
[23:00:00] gnuyen: i changed the port in apache
[23:00:00] gnuyen: but now it won't work
[23:00:00] gnuyen: in general where is mythweb kept?
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[23:08:00] DD: gnuyen: i dont really know the mythweb stuff, but if it runs on top of the apache, and you changed your apache port, u shouldnt have to change anything in mythweb
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[23:15:00] nuonguy: How do you handle the case of MP3s on an external hard drive?
[23:15:00] nuonguy: Can you give my a (for example) colon seperated list of places to look for MP3s?
[23:16:00] nuonguy: Er, what I meant was, can I give *mythtv* a list of directories...
[23:17:00] gnuyen: somehow mythweb disappeared
[23:18:00] nuonguy: This looks like a good deal: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . ubid=8716109
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[23:18:00] guitar256: nuonguy, i'm no linux expert, but i'm pretty sure you can't give myth several places to look
[23:18:00] guitar256: but
[23:19:00] guitar256: you could give it one place to look with a bunch of links to all your locations...maybe?
[23:20:00] nuonguy: Yeah, that's prolly the best thing to do
[23:22:00] nuonguy: I also want a gaming graphics card, and I'm waffling
[23:23:00] nuonguy: newegg has two that look like excellent deals: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130214
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[23:49:00] seme: nothing else has a file handle on /dev/sound/dsp so I don't think thats the problem
[23:49:00] seme: hi guys... for some reason mythmusic won't work. I can play and rip dvd's and I can play mp3's normally but when I try to go to my library in mythmusic it crashes with a segmentation fault
[23:49:00] seme: what does mythmusic use to play mp3's, etc
[23:55:00] guitar256: if it's crashing when you open your library i doubt it has anything to do with what mythmusic uses to play mp3s
[23:57:00] seme: yeah it happens right after I select the play button

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