| Tuesday, September 6th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, took the words out of my mouth. |
| [00:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | I *think* myth will follow the symlinks – after setting up a symlink, hit the video manager to search |
| [00:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | see if it finds the new vids |
| [00:00:00] | Ediehow: | ok, anyone using radio with their tv carD? |
| [00:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | Ediehow, no tme |
| [00:00:00] | MrSpiffy: | not me that is |
| [00:00:00] | Tanthrix: | I find it kind of annoying that MythTv cannot be setup to use multiple directories. We don't all have single 250 gig drives lying around. |
| [00:01:00] | MrSpiffy: | hehehe I do |
| [00:01:00] | MrSpiffy: | 365 actually |
| [00:01:00] | lcase: | radio: mythfm should be do this |
| [00:01:00] | SqWaw: | Tanthrix, Logical Volumes......? |
| [00:01:00] | ** MrSpiffy invested in a low cost highpoint raid card – raid 5 on ide drives ** | |
| [00:02:00] | MrSpiffy: | very spiffy |
| [00:02:00] | Tanthrix: | There's that route, but don't you find it a bit odd that MythTV doesn't have a simple means to select multiple dirs? |
| [00:02:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, eh. |
| [00:02:00] | MrSpiffy: | try the symlink thing – I'm curious now |
| [00:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, MythAstro, an astronomy/skywatching plugin for Myth....I wonder if there would be any interest in that. |
| [00:02:00] | SqWaw: | Yea, it is odd.... |
| [00:03:00] | Tanthrix: | Freevo does. Infact, freevo all around was more easy customize, and more easy to hack. |
| [00:03:00] | Tanthrix: | Though lacking most of the features Myth offers.. |
| [00:03:00] | MrSpiffy: | Krazylegz, sounds interesting – a plugin for the Info area |
| [00:03:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm going to try, one spec MrSpiffy |
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| [00:04:00] | Krazylegz: | MrSpiffy: Yeah, I'd probably work it like MythWeather. |
| [00:04:00] | MrSpiffy: | Krazylegz, I like it |
| [00:05:00] | Krazylegz: | MrSpiffy: Do you do any astronomy? |
| [00:05:00] | Tanthrix: | So MythVideo just checks the store directory for other video files? |
| [00:05:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, and sub dirs |
| [00:05:00] | Jerry507: | Tanthrix, I'm not a super nix guy, but if I understand how symbolic links work, you should be able to use those |
| [00:06:00] | Tanthrix: | Krazylegz: I'm a big astronomy buff. I wouldn't mind a plugin like that. |
| [00:06:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, I have 3 sub dirs and it found them all |
| [00:06:00] | Tanthrix: | Just tried it. No Go. |
| [00:06:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, no kidding? |
| [00:07:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, I am surprised |
| [00:07:00] | Tanthrix: | I have the feeling I'm doing something wrong. |
| [00:07:00] | Tanthrix: | Is MythVideo supposed to automatically find videos? |
| [00:07:00] | simon_c: | What does MythMusic do when it's updating database ? |
| [00:07:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, the video manager didn;t follow the symlink? |
| [00:07:00] | Tanthrix: | I don't have to hit a single key in vide manager? |
| [00:07:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, nope – should look for new stuff when you launch it |
| [00:07:00] | simon_c: | Is it looking at the MP3 files etc ? It seems to be taking an very long time. |
| [00:08:00] | MrSpiffy: | simon_c, it is looking for new files, then reads their id3 track tags and populates the musicmetadata table in the database |
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| [00:08:00] | MrSpiffy: | simon_c, it can take a while the first time |
| [00:09:00] | Tanthrix: | I just stuck an avi file in my store directory, and it's not even finding that. |
| [00:09:00] | simon_c: | MrSpiffy: Ahhh. It's been running 10 mins, and only at 2%. I guess I need to let it run overnight, and probably move the server with my MP3s off my wireless connection and onto the main network. |
| [00:09:00] | simon_c: | Any way of interupting it ? |
| [00:09:00] | simon_c: | without killing mythfrontend ? |
| [00:09:00] | Tanthrix: | Permissions are ok, should be able to access it. |
| [00:09:00] | Jerry507: | You're sure it's looking there |
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| [00:10:00] | Tanthrix: | No, I really have no idea. Spiffy or someone said that it looks in the recording / store directory though. |
| [00:11:00] | Tanthrix: | Do I have to manually set which directory it looks in? |
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| [00:13:00] | MrSpiffy: | Tanthrix, it looks in the dir specified under setup-media-video |
| [00:14:00] | Tanthrix: | Heh. There's my problem... |
| [00:14:00] | [Klatuu]: | hrmmmm |
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| [00:15:00] | Tanthrix: | I thought you were saying that it only looks in the default share folder for recordings, which seemed pretty ridiculous. |
| [00:16:00] | Jerry507: | So he's my problem... |
| [00:16:00] | Jerry507: | here's even |
| [00:16:00] | Jerry507: | I can get video in myth but no audio. I get audio and video in xawtv. |
| [00:17:00] | Tanthrix: | Well, at least that means your driver is probably setup correctly. You have tried turning up the volume right? |
| [00:17:00] | Jerry507: | Of course, if I go to watch live tv, it exits out of that after like 30 seconds saying it had a error processing the video. |
| [00:17:00] | Tanthrix: | Maybe not then.. |
| [00:17:00] | Jerry507: | Yea, I set it up in alsamixer |
| [00:17:00] | Jerry507: | But it does work if I go to Phone |
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| [00:19:00] | Sylwae: | hello, i'm french. i have a pvr150 and with command dmesg, i obtain ivtv: Switching standard to NTSC. I want to switch to SECAM ... have you an idea ? |
| [00:20:00] | Sylwae: | soebody can help me ? |
| [00:22:00] | Tanthrix: | ivtvctl is probably the command you'd want to run to change that |
| [00:22:00] | Tanthrix: | ivtcvtl --help will tell you all the options |
| [00:22:00] | Tanthrix: | Now, I'm having serious issues making a symlink to a folder with an exclamation point in it.. |
| [00:23:00] | Sylwae: | i've changed /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv file |
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| [00:24:00] | Sylwae: | when i do modprobe ivtv, i've this error with this line : options tda9887=0,0,0 |
| [00:24:00] | Sylwae: | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv line 6: ignoring bad line starting with 'options' |
| [00:24:00] | Tanthrix: | Not sure what to tell you. check the gossamer-threads |
| [00:25:00] | Sylwae: | probably due to my kernel 2.6.10 ? |
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| [00:27:00] | gratz|home: | in mythtv setup i go to video sources, i put the correct source in, i choose uk options etc, then click finish and it says 'Mythtv was unable to retrieve channel information for your provider please check terminal window, terminal says 'please wait while mythtv retrieves the list of available channels; sh: tv_grab_uk_rt: command not found; tv_grab_uk_rt --config_file '/path/for/.mythtv/myconnection.xmltv' --configur |
| [00:27:00] | gratz|home: | e (but i didn't specify to use xml tv and that file doesn't exist) and last line is exited with status 32512 |
| [00:28:00] | simon_c: | gratz|home: Have you installed xmltv ? |
| [00:28:00] | gratz|home: | nope, but it's not a requirement is it? |
| [00:28:00] | simon_c: | tv_grab_uk_rt uses XMLTV |
| [00:28:00] | gratz|home: | as i understood it, mythtv has it's own epg thing built in and i didn't need xmltv |
| [00:29:00] | gratz|home: | do i need it then? |
| [00:29:00] | simon_c: | it's needed. |
| [00:29:00] | gratz|home: | oops ok |
| [00:29:00] | simon_c: | The US channels have their own non-xmltv solution I think, but UK stuff needs it. |
| [00:31:00] | SqWaw: | is there a way of running the mythfrontend command and fork it into the background? |
| [00:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend & |
| [00:32:00] | SqWaw: | can i then close that terminal? |
| [00:32:00] | Agrajag-: | yes |
| [00:32:00] | gratz|home: | simon_c, does xmltv have to be grabbed manually or is there a subversion / is it recommended i 'emerge' (gentoo) and keep it up to date this way, if you have any suggestions |
| [00:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | SqWaw: Sure |
| [00:33:00] | Tanthrix: | MrSpiffy: The symlinks work fine. |
| [00:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or run it in a screen and detach |
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| [00:33:00] | Tanthrix: | Is there a way to have MythVideo show all separate shows based on Folder on the left of the listing widow, then the files on the right, like recordings? |
| [00:33:00] | SqWaw: | GreyFoxx, I did that, then closed the term, and Myth Frontend closed with it. |
| [00:34:00] | godsmoke: | I'm wondering if there are any current options for -streaming- (not using a myhttv frontend) tuner output |
| [00:34:00] | Tanthrix: | I have it in listing mode, but all it has on the left is "videos" with the folders inside of that. When I select a folder it seems to overlay the text with it improperly. |
| [00:34:00] | simon_c: | gratz|home: No idea. I found some RPMs for it. |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | SqWaw: then either run it in a screen and detachg, or try "nohup mythfrontend &" |
| [00:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | \or just launch it from your window manager |
| [00:35:00] | SqWaw: | That worked :) |
| [00:35:00] | SqWaw: | Because it was still outputting to the terminal, adding nohup worked like a charm :) |
| [00:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tanthrix: Can you make a screenshot of what you are seeing ? |
| [00:36:00] | Tanthrix: | Yes, one sec. |
| [00:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause mine does what you describe, but when I move down a level/directory it displays as I expect |
| [00:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | like this : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/theme/mythvideosnap2.jpg |
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| [00:37:00] | Tanthrix: | It might be fine. Let me add a few more dirs and see how it looks. I'll do the screenshot then. |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [00:38:00] | jono: | can mythtv act as a DVD player> |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | there is a mythdvd plugin |
| [00:38:00] | jono: | so that can play from the disc and not just rip a dvd |
| [00:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | correct |
| [00:38:00] | jono: | cool |
| [00:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can have it launch any app you like for playing. Most use xine |
| [00:40:00] | jono: | does it not integrate dvd playback into the myth interface? |
| [00:40:00] | Tanthrix: | GreyFoxx: http://novae-res.org/mythvideo.jpg |
| [00:40:00] | Tanthrix: | It just looks a little screwy I guess. |
| [00:40:00] | Agrajag-: | jono: yeah, there's an internal player too |
| [00:40:00] | jono: | oih cool |
| [00:40:00] | Agrajag-: | but it doesn't do menus and stuff |
| [00:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | jono: Thre is an internal player, it's just unfinished |
| [00:41:00] | jono: | the biggest concern I have about moving to mythtv is getting the myth PC to control my sky digibox |
| [00:41:00] | simon_c: | jono tell me about it ! |
| [00:42:00] | jono: | simon_c you want to do the same thing? |
| [00:42:00] | Tanthrix: | GreyFoxx: Does that look a bit weird to you? |
| [00:42:00] | simon_c: | jono: Yes, but that's abit down the line. |
| [00:42:00] | jono: | simon_c have you seen http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/article1603.html? |
| [00:42:00] | Darrell: | do any of you by chance have familiary with getting an HDTV card to work with Myth? I've been trying to get the HD3000 card going all day |
| [00:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tantr: looks odd yeah. I'd try playing with font sizes |
| [00:44:00] | Tanthrix: | Heh, now that I think about it, I bumped up some of he font sizes a while back. |
| [00:45:00] | Tanthrix: | Putting it back to default didn't fix it though. |
| [00:45:00] | simon_c: | jono: £47 seems a bit steep to me . |
| [00:45:00] | jono: | has anyone got one of these http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/ working with mythtv |
| [00:45:00] | simon_c: | jono: cool gagit though. |
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| [00:46:00] | simon_c: | jono: i'll probably try to get some IR device working, when I get that far |
| [00:46:00] | jono: | has anyone managed to control sky with myth though? |
| [00:47:00] | simon_c: | jono: There are various solutions out there as I understand it. Once you can control sky from the linux command line, then adding the change channel commands *should* be easy. |
| [00:47:00] | Tanthrix: | GreyFoxx: In "Recordings" it looks fine. The text is not underneath the lines like such. |
| [00:48:00] | godsmoke: | does anyone know of any work or have any recommendations on getting a streaming system set up (direct tuner output to stream, no mythtv control required, and obviously, a universal streaming system) — or would it be recommended to have another system completely handle this? |
| [00:48:00] | Tanthrix: | GreyFoxx: I just tried a different theme and I'm getting the same trouble. |
| [00:49:00] | simon_c: | Hummm. Stil trying to get my setup working. I've got audio on the broadcast channels, (from rfin) but not from the sky box comming over composite1 Anyone any clues ? |
| [00:49:00] | fatmatt: | does vlc stream? |
| [00:49:00] | Agrajag-: | godsmoke: sounds like you want vlc |
| [00:49:00] | godsmoke: | fatmatt: yes |
| [00:49:00] | Darrell: | http://www.videolan.org/streaming/ |
| [00:49:00] | simon_c: | 'sOK. Got it. |
| [00:49:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, I'm aware of vlc's streaming capabilities — I was looking for something non-proprietary (by that, I mean, a more widely used streaming standard, something that any joe windows user can latch onto) |
| [00:49:00] | simon_c: | damn flaky scart leed !! |
| [00:50:00] | Agrajag-: | godsmoke: err that's what vlc does.. |
| [00:50:00] | fatmatt: | vlc has a windows client |
| [00:50:00] | godsmoke: | no no |
| [00:50:00] | godsmoke: | no installing software, that was my point |
| [00:50:00] | Agrajag-: | the windows vlc client is piss easy to start using |
| [00:50:00] | godsmoke: | I've been using vlc for years — it's not an option for this setup |
| [00:50:00] | godsmoke: | I agree |
| [00:51:00] | godsmoke: | but this setup doesn't permit for installing software on the end user's computer |
| [00:51:00] | godsmoke: | have to work with windows media player-compatable streaming types |
| [00:51:00] | fatmatt: | there was something called mythstream, but even that would require codecs |
| [00:51:00] | Agrajag-: | ok, well mythstreamtv can stream to wmp |
| [00:51:00] | jono: | godsmoke use flumotion for streaming |
| [00:51:00] | godsmoke: | jono: I'll google that, thanks |
| [00:51:00] | Agrajag-: | and can't wmp play streams that the videolan server spits out anyway? |
| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | sure it can |
| [00:52:00] | Agrajag-: | you just wouldn't be able to control it |
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| [00:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | exactly |
| [00:52:00] | godsmoke: | oh really? |
| [00:52:00] | godsmoke: | that wasn't my impression of videolan |
| [00:52:00] | godsmoke: | well, with that I'll look back into it |
| [00:52:00] | godsmoke: | thanks for the suggestions |
| [00:53:00] | jono: | godsmoke flumotion is awesome, and fully open source |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can specify any output codec that you like |
| [00:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use vlc to streamstuff to work all the time |
| [00:54:00] | Agrajag-: | jono: does it support streaming from v4l? |
| [00:54:00] | Agrajag-: | oh yeah looks like it does |
| [00:54:00] | godsmoke: | eh |
| [00:54:00] | godsmoke: | gstreamer |
| [00:54:00] | godsmoke: | they seem to like gnome products :) |
| [00:54:00] | jono: | yep |
| [00:54:00] | jono: | quite gnome based |
| [00:55:00] | jono: | they use flumotion to stream the gnome conference |
| [00:55:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, well, no gtk on any system I use |
| [00:55:00] | godsmoke: | but, I see they have a backend, so, I'll look at that |
| [00:55:00] | Agrajag-: | konw if it does dvb? |
| [00:55:00] | jono: | so, anyone use http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/ ? |
| [00:55:00] | jono: | why no gtk godsmoke ? |
| [00:55:00] | ** jono used to be a KDE developer ** | |
| [00:56:00] | godsmoke: | that's just asking for a holy war |
| [00:56:00] | godsmoke: | as soon as I sat down to write a gtk app, I realized how messy and silly it is |
| [00:56:00] | godsmoke: | been using qt almost exclusively since |
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| [00:57:00] | jono: | godsmoke fair enough :) |
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| [00:58:00] | godsmoke: | although this tv server wouldn't have any gui anyway, so it's a moot point |
| [00:59:00] | godsmoke: | ssh, don't tell anyone — it's a free wireless tv network |
| [00:59:00] | jono: | cool |
| [00:59:00] | godsmoke: | starting out with like 5 channels |
| [01:00:00] | simon_c: | Hummm. If I'm setting a manual recording in mythweb (recording something already on my sky+ box. No channel data) Is there any warning of when recording will start ? |
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| [01:00:00] | jono: | night all |
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| [01:03:00] | fatmatt: | is anyone using the hauppage media client thing http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_mediamvp.html |
| [01:04:00] | Darrell: | have the mvp and tried it under windows...have yet to get it going for myth, however |
| [01:04:00] | Darrell: | it's nice and cheap but, at least under windows, plenty sluggish IMO |
| [01:05:00] | fatmatt: | http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/docs-mvpmc.cms |
| [01:05:00] | fatmatt: | I haven't finished reading that but looks like it does frontend |
| [01:06:00] | Darrell: | I picked it up when it was $20 off a while ago...back then the functionality was as a media player only |
| [01:06:00] | Darrell: | but you could do livetv, unlike some of the other similar devices |
| [01:07:00] | Darrell: | it would be great news if they fully ported the front end some how |
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| [01:11:00] | fatmatt: | wonder where I can find one of those in Australia |
| [01:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Is xris around? |
| [01:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use the mvp for one of my frontends. works pretty well |
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| [01:18:00] | fatmatt: | how much did you pay for it? |
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| [01:22:00] | seme: | can anyone give me a hand getting my radeon X300 to work... I tried installing the binary drivers but they won't install correctly and when I try to run X -configure it gives me a bunch of errors such as Symbol XAAGetScreenIndex from module /usr/lib64/modules/drivers/savage_drv.o is unresolved! |
| [01:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | fatmatt: $80USD |
| [01:27:00] | jnc: | seme: which distro |
| [01:27:00] | fatmatt: | $300 aust here, thats about 250ish, pricey |
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| [01:42:00] | jnc: | GreyFoxx: figured out the lirc_atiusb thing |
| [01:42:00] | jnc: | it was a bug in the debian package for lirc-modules-source |
| [01:43:00] | jnc: | someone had goofed up with a patch, and the diff source ended up inside the makefile |
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| [02:01:00] | root: | anyone alive? |
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| [02:01:00] | Agrajag-: | no |
| [02:01:00] | elarkin: | perfect |
| [02:01:00] | Agrajag-: | are you irc'ing as root? |
| [02:01:00] | elarkin: | yes I am sucidal |
| [02:02:00] | Agrajag-: | fantastic |
| [02:02:00] | elarkin: | hehehe |
| [02:02:00] | [Klatuu]: | 10 more buttons to program |
| [02:04:00] | elarkin: | got my ivtv driver working but... all i get is static |
| [02:05:00] | travolta: | step 1, dont irc as root |
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| [02:23:00] | [Klatuu]: | 5 buttons to go for a new lircrc |
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| [02:28:00] | sandos: | anyboyd using g450 or 550 + Tv-out with good results? |
| [02:28:00] | sandos: | havent found any hard evidence that it works well with mythtv.. |
| [02:29:00] | sandos: | Id want to use directfb in some way (xdirectfb?), since it seems its Tv-out quality is very good... |
| [02:29:00] | Agrajag-: | well from what i've heard those matrox cards are excellent cards |
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| [02:29:00] | godsmoke: | damn wifi — can't stay connected |
| [02:30:00] | Raven_301: | What is the difference or definitions of frontend and backend?? |
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| [02:30:00] | godsmoke: | frontend = display terminal |
| [02:30:00] | godsmoke: | backend = management, database, recording management |
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| [02:30:00] | Raven_301: | thanks godsmoke |
| [02:31:00] | Raven_301: | So if I want to record and playback, I need to set it up for both frontend and backend? yes or no ?? |
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| [02:31:00] | godsmoke: | yes |
| [02:32:00] | godsmoke: | think of the frontend as the visuals |
| [02:32:00] | Raven_301: | godsmoke: thanks for the help ... now I know what I'm doing wrong |
| [02:33:00] | godsmoke: | so, now I have a question |
| [02:33:00] | Raven_301: | For me? |
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| [02:33:00] | godsmoke: | is anyone here using the Kworld Philips 7171-based cards? |
| [02:33:00] | godsmoke: | no |
| [02:33:00] | godsmoke: | err |
| [02:34:00] | godsmoke: | damnit — Philips 7131* |
| [02:34:00] | SqWaw: | Myth says something is using /dev/dsp, how can i see what using it? |
| [02:34:00] | SqWaw: | what is using it ** |
| [02:34:00] | Agrajag-: | lsof |
| [02:34:00] | Agrajag-: | i.e. lsof /dev/dsp |
| [02:35:00] | SqWaw: | lsof not found... |
| [02:35:00] | SqWaw: | not installed |
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| [02:35:00] | SqWaw: | Installing it |
| [02:36:00] | SqWaw: | anyway, when i watch live tv... about every 3–5 seconds it skips a bit |
| [02:36:00] | SqWaw: | its weird... |
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| [02:39:00] | SqWaw: | and lsof /dev/dsp shows nothing... |
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| [02:54:00] | SqWaw: | ANYONE? |
| [02:54:00] | Agrajag-: | well if lsof doesn't think anything is using it, then nothing is |
| [02:56:00] | twisted_one: | SqWaw: yeah, if lsof is not showing anything then it would seem to me that the kernel is not making any use of /dev/dsp which basically means that nothing is touching it. It is possible that it is only happening intermittenly (sp?) and thats when you get the hiccup. |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | Well myth says somethig is using it |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | i found it. |
| [02:56:00] | twisted_one: | Myth vs. kernel.... kernel wins =P |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | kde is using arts |
| [02:56:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | i just switched to fluxbox |
| [02:56:00] | twisted_one: | KDE |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | i just switched to fluxbox |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | i just switched to fluxbox |
| [02:56:00] | SqWaw: | i just switched to fluxbox |
| [02:56:00] | twisted_one: | good =) |
| [02:57:00] | twisted_one: | no need to flood =P |
| [02:57:00] | SqWaw: | :) |
| [02:57:00] | SqWaw: | im excited |
| [02:57:00] | SqWaw: | bah |
| [02:57:00] | SqWaw: | its skippy |
| [02:57:00] | SqWaw: | now what? |
| [02:57:00] | godsmoke: | maybe your computer is slow |
| [02:57:00] | twisted_one: | no, arts is bleh |
| [02:58:00] | SqWaw: | no, this comp is def not slow. |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | alright |
| [02:58:00] | SqWaw: | Linux MythTV 2.6.13-gentoo #4 SMP Mon Sep 5 01:26:38 EDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | have you tried taking tuner input through another application? |
| [02:58:00] | SqWaw: | 1 gb of ram |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | heh, you put a gig of ram in a celeron |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | that's funny |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | have you tried just firing up xawtv |
| [02:58:00] | SqWaw: | how? |
| [02:58:00] | godsmoke: | seeing if the signal skips |
| [02:58:00] | SqWaw: | no |
| [02:59:00] | SqWaw: | h/o |
| [02:59:00] | godsmoke: | do that |
| [03:00:00] | SqWaw: | i gotta emerge it... :( |
| [03:00:00] | SqWaw: | h/o |
| [03:03:00] | godsmoke: | sigh, silly gentoo |
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| [03:03:00] | godsmoke: | could have apt-getted about 300 MB by now |
| [03:03:00] | Agrajag-: | i'd love to have a distro where i have to wait all the time instead of getting stuff done |
| [03:03:00] | godsmoke: | Agrajag-: you're in luck! |
| [03:03:00] | godsmoke: | there's a distro for you |
| [03:04:00] | Agrajag-: | great! all that waiting will give me a 0.0001% speed increase (in some cases it'll even go slower!) too! |
| [03:04:00] | godsmoke: | but you get the satisfaction of knowing that YOU wasted YOUR own time to get that speed increase! |
| [03:04:00] | godsmoke: | with gentoo — it's all about YOU |
| [03:05:00] | Agrajag-: | :D |
| [03:06:00] | godsmoke: | SqWaw: aren't you glad you got that celeron :) |
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| [03:11:00] | oisastana: | gentoo is perfect for me....it has all sorts of shit flying across the screen |
| [03:11:00] | oisastana: | lookes like im doing stuff... |
| [03:11:00] | oisastana: | compiling is a good excuse for not getting work done |
| [03:12:00] | godsmoke: | maybe if you were actually compiling stuff yourself |
| [03:12:00] | godsmoke: | emerging with gentoo doesn't qualify as "work" — it just delays things |
| [03:13:00] | oisastana: | thus a good excuse for not getting work done |
| [03:13:00] | oisastana: | i can space out, and it looks like i'm doing something |
| [03:13:00] | godsmoke: | why can't you do work during emerge? |
| [03:13:00] | oisastana: | i can, i simply am looking for a reason not to |
| [03:14:00] | godsmoke: | well, who needs a reason? |
| [03:14:00] | godsmoke: | just don't do shit |
| [03:14:00] | oisastana: | agreed, but with shit flying across the screen, it appears to others i am doing things |
| [03:14:00] | oisastana: | thus i don't have to hear about doing nothing |
| [03:16:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | the "great screaming screens of scroll" defense |
| [03:16:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I just fire off portupdate -rR before I leave the office and its rarely still running the next morning |
| [03:17:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | unless it had to do something like openoffice AND jdk the same day |
| [03:18:00] | [Klatuu]: | snapsttream firefl lircrc complete |
| [03:18:00] | [Klatuu]: | whew |
| [03:18:00] | [Klatuu]: | all but two buttons |
| [03:18:00] | [Klatuu]: | and I don't know what to assign to them |
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| [03:19:00] | oisastana: | how does that work in linux, i've heard mixed reviews of it |
| [03:19:00] | [Klatuu]: | what? the firefly? |
| [03:19:00] | godsmoke: | how about button 1 = shutdown, button 2 = reboot |
| [03:19:00] | oisastana: | yeah |
| [03:19:00] | godsmoke: | "dangerous buttons" |
| [03:19:00] | [Klatuu]: | it works fine |
| [03:19:00] | oisastana: | word |
| [03:20:00] | [Klatuu]: | use the atiusb driver in lirc |
| [03:20:00] | oisastana: | ahh nice |
| [03:20:00] | [Klatuu]: | when I figure out how to ACPI suspend I will assign one of the buttons to that |
| [03:21:00] | godsmoke: | uh |
| [03:21:00] | godsmoke: | you mean sleep? |
| [03:21:00] | [Klatuu]: | I wish there were an lircrc editor in the keybindings part of mythweb |
| [03:21:00] | godsmoke: | or crappy suspend to ram? |
| [03:21:00] | [Klatuu]: | sleep |
| [03:21:00] | [Klatuu]: | hibernate |
| [03:22:00] | godsmoke: | those aren't the same thing |
| [03:22:00] | [Klatuu]: | I know |
| [03:22:00] | [Klatuu]: | one of the will do what I want |
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| [03:22:00] | godsmoke: | ok |
| [03:22:00] | [Klatuu]: | just need to figure out which |
| [03:22:00] | godsmoke: | so umm ... someone give me a decent linux review of the kworld philips 7131-based cards |
| [03:22:00] | godsmoke: | just bought one — waiting for it to get here, hopefully it works nicely |
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| [03:23:00] | godsmoke: | if it does, I'll be ordering like 12 of em |
| [03:23:00] | [Klatuu]: | isn't that a bit much? |
| [03:23:00] | godsmoke: | no, it's the perfect amount |
| [03:23:00] | [Klatuu]: | for? |
| [03:23:00] | godsmoke: | 2 computers with max pci slots |
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| [03:23:00] | godsmoke: | a tv network |
| [03:23:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | record all networks simultaneously? |
| [03:24:00] | godsmoke: | not recording |
| [03:24:00] | sfire||mouse: | sounds nice |
| [03:24:00] | godsmoke: | it's a (notably illegal, but, anonymous) project I'm working on |
| [03:24:00] | godsmoke: | to do neighborhood-wise free tv network |
| [03:24:00] | godsmoke: | wide* |
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| [03:25:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | on wireless? |
| [03:25:00] | godsmoke: | yes |
| [03:26:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | have you tested that you won't run up against bandwidth limitations? |
| [03:26:00] | godsmoke: | yes, I know my limitations, I've got about $10,000 worth of wifi infrastructure in the neighborhood |
| [03:27:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | gig backbone? |
| [03:27:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | or atm at least? |
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| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, we use ATM |
| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | we've got a business we did a backbone for here — in exchange, they give us the bandwidth we want on it |
| [03:29:00] | godsmoke: | good thing they didn't go with wi-max, or I wouldn't be able to do wifi delivery as easy |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | anyway, the plan is to start with 12 tuners |
| [03:30:00] | godsmoke: | we'll take polls to see what channels people want, switch tuners over, add new servers, whatever |
| [03:30:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | too bad the sony vaio w don't work with linux |
| [03:30:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | prebuilt box with 6 tuners and 1tb raid |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | uh |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | that's silly for us |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | we already have a serious media server — I like to compartmentalize |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | not sure what I want to do recording-wise |
| [03:31:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | would be a nice drop-in install though |
| [03:31:00] | godsmoke: | thinking about doing 24/7 news recording, with a 48 hour retention |
| [03:32:00] | godsmoke: | in case of disasters and stuff |
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| [03:32:00] | godsmoke: | (I live in nyc — would have liked to have copies of the WTC news footage — I've collected some, but nothing like rewatching it ... it would be interesting honestly) |
| [03:33:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I need to go out to akihabara and buy a case and a couple tuners for a new box today. |
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| [03:33:00] | godsmoke: | new box? |
| [03:33:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I like that brushed-aluminum silverstone case that looks like a stereo amp. |
| [03:33:00] | godsmoke: | what uses? |
| [03:34:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | production myth-box that is fast enough to actually work, not like my current machine which is barely more than proof-of-concept |
| [03:34:00] | godsmoke: | ah |
| [03:34:00] | godsmoke: | I'm waiting for my new LCD HDTV |
| [03:34:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | and something pretty enough to fit in living room without the wife killing me |
| [03:34:00] | godsmoke: | to build a new mythtv box |
| [03:35:00] | godsmoke: | although, still trying to negotiate what HDTV reception options I have — don't know what's encrypted on the firewire output I can get from the cable box |
| [03:35:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | my wife won't allow anything that looks like a computer in the living room hehehe |
| [03:35:00] | godsmoke: | my girl couldn't care less |
| [03:35:00] | godsmoke: | she just likes the cool things she gets |
| [03:35:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | same situation here with HDTV. In japan there's no linux-supported tuner cards, and data on the firewire out on tuner boxes is cryptic at best. |
| [03:36:00] | godsmoke: | "wow, I can watch tv from this computer that hangs over the bed? — that's awesome!" |
| [03:36:00] | godsmoke: | how do you get HDTV service? |
| [03:36:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Actually there's only one PCI ISDB-T card at all that I know of and its windows only. |
| [03:36:00] | godsmoke: | OTA? Cable-delivered? Satellite-delivered? |
| [03:37:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Digital terrestial |
| [03:37:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | Also have sattelite but need a new tuner |
| [03:37:00] | godsmoke: | and Japan uses separate OTA standards? |
| [03:37:00] | godsmoke: | (from the US) |
| [03:37:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | ISDB-T for terrestrial, ISDB-S for sattelite |
| [03:38:00] | godsmoke: | ah |
| [03:38:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | plus an analog HDTV via sattelite that's being phased out in couple years |
| [03:39:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, honestly, I'm worried that I'm not gonna be able to use this pretty new HDTV |
| [03:39:00] | godsmoke: | but I can't try it out until I change my cable box to the firewire one |
| [03:39:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | There's a sony tuner that I'm looking at for terrestrial with firewire out but I'm dubous about what it'll put on the link. |
| [03:40:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | dubious too |
| [03:40:00] | godsmoke: | what it'll put on the link? |
| [03:40:00] | godsmoke: | what do you mean? |
| [03:40:00] | godsmoke: | copy protection-wise? |
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| [03:41:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | yah |
| [03:42:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | It outputs *SOMETHING* because sony claims that they have an outboard HD recorder that attaches to it. |
| [03:43:00] | godsmoke: | if all goes well, MythTV does claim to support the SA3250 via firewire — which is what I'll have — although they aren't supporting inbound channel changing over firewire (which is a big feature) |
| [03:47:00] | naitram: | I'm officially lost now. I had the system functioning last night, and today it's giving me segfaults all over the place. |
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| [03:47:00] | naitram: | happened on my last install as well, and i could never figure out why. i scrapped the whole install and have had exactly the same thing happen now |
| [03:47:00] | syle2: | why can;t you get audio in dvd rip menu play 6 channel audio? |
| [03:49:00] | syle2: | 2 channel works though |
| [03:55:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | 100% sure your hardware is ok? |
| [03:58:00] | naitram: | if that's directed at me, i've had enough problems to always doubt my hardware |
| [04:01:00] | godsmoke: | what's the actual difference between the Hauppauge WinTV 150, 250, and 350 cards? |
| [04:01:00] | PatrickDK: | 150 is newer than 250 |
| [04:01:00] | godsmoke: | they don't seem to boast any different features |
| [04:01:00] | PatrickDK: | 350 has tvout |
| [04:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | 150 = second gen 250. 350 = 250 + mpeg decoder +tvout |
| [04:01:00] | PatrickDK: | 150 has some nice filters on it |
| [04:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | 500 = 2x150 on a single pci card |
| [04:02:00] | godsmoke: | alright |
| [04:02:00] | godsmoke: | so the 150 uses a better chipset, or is there no noticable difference? |
| [04:02:00] | godsmoke: | (than the 250) |
| [04:03:00] | godsmoke: | whoa wait ... the 150 is like $80 less than the 250 |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | not much of a noticeable difference. They just had 2 years to learn how to make them cheaper. there are difference in how the data is access but that's all |
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| [04:03:00] | godsmoke: | differences as in? |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | as in no difference to the user, just different in how the driver talks to the card |
| [04:04:00] | godsmoke: | ok |
| [04:04:00] | godsmoke: | none of them output uncompressed video to the bus, right? |
| [04:04:00] | godsmoke: | all are doing mpeg-2 only? |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | You CAN access the raw YUV frames, but yes they all output mpeg2 streams |
| [04:05:00] | godsmoke: | from the v4l wiki: Cards with the encoder on the PCI bus (PVR-350/250, DVB, etc.) only provide compressed streams. This is because the decoder is not accessable on the PCI bus, so you can't grab the raw stream from it. |
| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | that is not correct |
| [04:05:00] | godsmoke: | you have confirmed? |
| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [04:05:00] | godsmoke: | including the 150? |
| [04:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [04:05:00] | godsmoke: | wow, great |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know of any software that uses it, but you can access the raw frames |
| [04:06:00] | godsmoke: | hrm, someone more educated on the situation should edit the wiki page |
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| [04:06:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I'm going with 350 for first card, 150 for additional tuners. That seems to be the usual logic these days |
| [04:06:00] | godsmoke: | software that uses it? — the v4l wiki claims that on cards that support raw output, it's just another video device to be accessed |
| [04:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | godsmoke: It's not in this case |
| [04:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | the ivtv drivers are NOT v4l compliant drivers |
| [04:07:00] | godsmoke: | ah, maybe that's why |
| [04:07:00] | godsmoke: | ip_goat_rodeo: ah, because you're doing tvout |
| [04:07:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | That was the idea |
| [04:08:00] | godsmoke: | yeah, I gotta do DVI out for my new mythtv box |
| [04:08:00] | PatrickDK: | tv out on the videocard can be nicer |
| [04:08:00] | PatrickDK: | otherwise you use alot of cpu power outputing to the 350 |
| [04:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see a compelling need for a 350 unless you are low on cpu |
| [04:08:00] | PatrickDK: | I'm outputing to he 350 right now, test video cards are on their way |
| [04:08:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | well, the box going to be an ath64 x2 3800 |
| [04:08:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | so no shortage of cpu |
| [04:08:00] | godsmoke: | what do you need the power for? |
| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | you would be better off with an nvidia card and a couple 150/250/whatever |
| [04:09:00] | PatrickDK: | greyfoxx, I have a 850mhz cpu, it runs mplayer at about 60% cpu for everything I have tested it with, to the 350 |
| [04:09:00] | SqWaw: | Okay I'm back |
| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: Using the new XV support I assume ? |
| [04:09:00] | PatrickDK: | yep :) |
| [04:09:00] | PatrickDK: | got that working, it was nice :) |
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| [04:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | That made a nice difference. Nice to see John got that working |
| [04:09:00] | PatrickDK: | play back dvd, dvix |
| [04:09:00] | PatrickDK: | ogm, avi, ... |
| [04:09:00] | godsmoke: | also — why is the 150 MCE like $40 cheaper than the 150? |
| [04:10:00] | SqWaw: | Now, my video/audio skip about every second... its just a minor skip but its really annoying |
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| [04:11:00] | godsmoke: | oh, is it the lack of a remote? |
| [04:11:00] | godsmoke: | that's lame |
| [04:11:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | no remote is one thing, its actually slightly different hardware so maybe more integration. |
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| [04:11:00] | PatrickDK: | I'm not liking the remote, I'm going to go serial port remote, maybe usb |
| [04:12:00] | godsmoke: | these screenshots from hauppauge are nothing but purely amazing, the best tv signal ever ;) |
| [04:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I love my main remote. |
| [04:12:00] | godsmoke: | of course the transmitter is probably 5 feet from their test box |
| [04:12:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | hauppauge really screwed the pooch in the japanese market |
| [04:12:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, mine gives great screenshots |
| [04:12:00] | godsmoke: | yeah? |
| [04:12:00] | godsmoke: | mind snapping one? |
| [04:12:00] | PatrickDK: | it's really good, and that is after 3 splitters |
| [04:12:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, heh, I wouldn't know how to snap one :) |
| [04:12:00] | ** awstott needs to get his box up and running ** | |
| [04:12:00] | godsmoke: | I'd like to see some real world stuff |
| [04:13:00] | PatrickDK: | bt it looks nice on the tv :) |
| [04:13:00] | godsmoke: | uh |
| [04:13:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | their windows software really sucked compared to the homegrown software, so they sold almost no units in japan. |
| [04:13:00] | SqWaw: | anyone? |
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| [04:13:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | and io-data ruled the market with the gv-mvp/rx card |
| [04:13:00] | awstott: | I have a hauppage card in my box, and an ati tv wonder pro in this box... not impressed at all with the screen caps the ati spews out |
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| [04:14:00] | godsmoke: | awstott: do you mind giving me one from the hauppauge? |
| [04:14:00] | godsmoke: | I'm interested in seeing their mpeg-2 quality |
| [04:14:00] | godsmoke: | as well as real-world capture |
| [04:14:00] | syle2: | well i seem to get no sound trying to play DVD in dvd rip place where it says "view" , dvd comes up with 2 audio tracks ac97en 6 channel, and ac97fr 2 channel, so if i start a rip it rips the 2 channel french! viewing 6 channel audio doesn;t work, but if i go to play dvd menu and play movie it works fine, ideas? |
| [04:14:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, You want a small mpeg shot? |
| [04:15:00] | godsmoke: | PatrickDK: that'll work |
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| [04:15:00] | syle2: | i;m on a spif connection to my amplifier in the livingroom so not sure what the problem is |
| [04:15:00] | awstott: | I would if i could godsmoke.... but my mythtv box isn't up and running |
| [04:15:00] | godsmoke: | awstott: it's alright, PatrickDK is probiding me with video |
| [04:16:00] | godsmoke: | providing* |
| [04:16:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, how evil |
| [04:16:00] | awstott: | if you want to see what i mean aobut hte horrible quaility of the ati check out http://vortex.backwerds.net/pics/fire.jpg |
| [04:16:00] | PatrickDK: | I hit record while watching live tv |
| [04:16:00] | PatrickDK: | and I got a ghost, I will have to work on that |
| [04:16:00] | PatrickDK: | video I bet is still perfect |
| [04:17:00] | syle2: | never mind it records |
| [04:18:00] | syle2: | just view in dvd rip menu is fucked on 6 channel i guess |
| [04:19:00] | godsmoke: | ah, found a difference between the 150 and the 150 MCE |
| [04:19:00] | godsmoke: | the 150 does a max of 12Mbps, while the 150 MCE does 8 |
| [04:20:00] | awstott: | I have a 500mce |
| [04:21:00] | syle2: | what happens when you create ISO in dvd rip menu? does it actually create a .iso for burning to a what? cd , dvd4, dvd9? |
| [04:22:00] | syle2: | i just haven;t bothered waiting the 3 hours it takes to find out lol |
| [04:23:00] | PatrickDK: | opps, I think I selected a little long of a recording |
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| [04:23:00] | godsmoke: | it can be like 5 – 10 seconds |
| [04:23:00] | godsmoke: | a minute if you're feeling generous |
| [04:24:00] | PatrickDK: | it was like 7 min |
| [04:24:00] | godsmoke: | hah |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | this is 40seconds now |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | 2mbit |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | well, I think it is |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | it might be 2.5, or 4.5 |
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| [04:25:00] | godsmoke: | ok — and that setting is done through the driver, I guess? |
| [04:25:00] | godsmoke: | mythtv can't control that on the fly, can it? |
| [04:25:00] | _Nero_: | hello. |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, it can to a point |
| [04:25:00] | PatrickDK: | you setup profiles |
| [04:26:00] | godsmoke: | ok |
| [04:26:00] | PatrickDK: | I have 2mbit, 4mbit, 8mbit, profiles setup |
| [04:26:00] | PatrickDK: | my mpeg program says this is 5mbit |
| [04:26:00] | PatrickDK: | so it must be actally, 4.5 with a 5mbit cap |
| [04:26:00] | godsmoke: | ok — how can you get it to me? |
| [04:26:00] | PatrickDK: | uploading to one of my websites |
| [04:27:00] | godsmoke: | that works |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | 28% done |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | na, this has to be 2.5mbit |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | 1.2g for 1hour video |
| [04:27:00] | godsmoke: | and this is the 150? |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | 3.5mbit makes 1.6g videoper hour |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, 350 |
| [04:27:00] | PatrickDK: | the oldest one :) |
| [04:27:00] | godsmoke: | heh |
| [04:27:00] | godsmoke: | usually they go the other way around :) |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | I hsould have my 500's and 150's in a few weeks |
| [04:28:00] | godsmoke: | it's also the most expensive .... |
| [04:28:00] | awstott: | what distor you running PatrickDK? |
| [04:28:00] | godsmoke: | (well, not more than the 500, obviously) |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | 500 is more expensive |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | awstott, slackware |
| [04:28:00] | awstott: | hmm |
| [04:28:00] | godsmoke: | my point was 150 MCE > 150 > 250 > 350 |
| [04:28:00] | godsmoke: | which is odd |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | been running slackware for 12years now I think |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | maybe 11 |
| [04:28:00] | awstott: | wow |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | ya |
| [04:28:00] | PatrickDK: | I'm getting some 500's for my backend/fileserver |
| [04:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: Same here. since around 92/93 |
| [04:29:00] | PatrickDK: | and the 150lp's for te localones |
| [04:29:00] | PatrickDK: | greyfoxx, I started in kernel 1.2.x |
| [04:29:00] | awstott: | I'm trying to follow abaracia or however you say it for ubuntu.... but i'm lost |
| [04:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | My first was 0.97 or some such. I sitll have it on CD here somewhere |
| [04:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | from and old NightOwl BBS Shareware CD that had it on there |
| [04:29:00] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [04:30:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, it was interesting you could fit it onto 10 floppies |
| [04:30:00] | PatrickDK: | a whole distro |
| [04:30:00] | PatrickDK: | now your lucky if it fits on a dvd |
| [04:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not like todays bloaty crap "_ |
| [04:30:00] | godsmoke: | a distro doesn't have a size |
| [04:30:00] | PatrickDK: | bloaty crap makes things look pretty :) |
| [04:30:00] | awstott: | sysinfo:[os! Linux 2.2.20-idepci][uptime! 405d 3h 8m][cpu! GenuineIntel Pentium MMX, 200MHz][disk! / (908MB Free, 1GB Total)][ram! Usage: 41/96MB (42.71%)] |
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| [04:31:00] | awstott: | my pos box :) |
| [04:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: I hate bloaty crap :) |
| [04:31:00] | godsmoke: | I mean, there's no point in counting every package offered |
| [04:31:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, I only count packages I use |
| [04:31:00] | godsmoke: | right ... |
| [04:31:00] | godsmoke: | so there is no size for a distro |
| [04:31:00] | PatrickDK: | and the disks I have to use cause it's mixed in with crap I don't want |
| [04:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | godsmoke: It's not just the number of packages. Apps themselves have gotten bigger. Especially win32 stuff |
| [04:31:00] | godsmoke: | if you use the same packages on every distro — then they'd all be about the same time |
| [04:31:00] | godsmoke: | err |
| [04:32:00] | godsmoke: | s/time/size/ |
| [04:32:00] | godsmoke: | I still don't understand why the 350 is so expensive |
| [04:32:00] | godsmoke: | all for tv out? |
| [04:32:00] | PatrickDK: | http://ruri.patrickdk.com/2mbit.mpg |
| [04:33:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, yes |
| [04:33:00] | godsmoke: | awesome, thanks |
| [04:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | godsmoke: basically. the onboard mpegdecoder/tvout is all that makes it different from a 250 |
| [04:33:00] | PatrickDK: | 12megs |
| [04:33:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | First kernel I ever used was 0.02, but I think 0.15c was first I actually ran extensively |
| [04:33:00] | godsmoke: | PatrickDK: yeah, has to be 2Mbps |
| [04:33:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | mcc-interrim distro if anyone remembers that |
| [04:33:00] | PatrickDK: | well, 2.5 I think |
| [04:33:00] | PatrickDK: | I know it rounded off to a .5 |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | it? |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | the card? |
| [04:34:00] | PatrickDK: | no, the mpeg itself |
| [04:34:00] | PatrickDK: | I think i told it to stay between 2 and 4mbits |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | ack |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | interlacing |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | ack |
| [04:34:00] | PatrickDK: | hmm, that is ntsc |
| [04:34:00] | godsmoke: | the quality is damn good |
| [04:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | godsmoke: well, it is an interlaced signal he is recording afterall |
| [04:35:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, that is 2.8mbit video |
| [04:35:00] | PatrickDK: | 2.86331153mbit :) |
| [04:35:00] | godsmoke: | PatrickDK: if it's too much work, feel free to say so — but if you wouldn't mind a 8 Mbps clip — can be 5 – 10 seconds, just want to be able to separate tuner quality from the encoding |
| [04:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, work on mythgame or setup Oracle for some coworkers. |
| [04:35:00] | PatrickDK: | ok, ya, I had a 8mbit clip last weekend, I will make a new one |
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| [04:41:00] | PatrickDK: | uploading, 15seconds at 15.5megs |
| [04:42:00] | godsmoke: | thanks |
| [04:42:00] | godsmoke: | the quality did look very good |
| [04:42:00] | godsmoke: | this is through 3 splitters? |
| [04:42:00] | godsmoke: | your signal must be great from the box |
| [04:42:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, 2way for cable modem, 4 way to tv's, and a 2way for tv/computer |
| [04:43:00] | PatrickDK: | I have all rg-6q tvcable though |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | I already went on the roof of my apartment building, and connected myself to a non-overloaded source |
| [04:43:00] | PatrickDK: | I hated that crappy rg-59 they installed, and your not suppost to run catv on |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | dual or quad sheild? |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | shield* |
| [04:43:00] | PatrickDK: | quad |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | cool |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | the cable company always has nice equipment |
| [04:43:00] | godsmoke: | their splitters are top quality |
| [04:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a box of them :) |
| [04:44:00] | PatrickDK: | theseare ones I put in, 3.5db loss per split |
| [04:44:00] | godsmoke: | you don't even know what splitters I'm talking about |
| [04:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | godsmoke: I use to work at my cable company, so I might have aclue |
| [04:44:00] | godsmoke: | still, you don't even know what they have right here installed in my building :) |
| [04:44:00] | PatrickDK: | 40% upload |
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| [04:45:00] | godsmoke: | I'm surprised that RCN transmits their normal analog cable unscrambled in NYC |
| [04:45:00] | godsmoke: | that's basically unheardof |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | I wonder how crappy that wire is |
| [04:46:00] | godsmoke: | which wire? |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | in nyc |
| [04:46:00] | godsmoke: | why would you assume it to be crappy? |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | probably like the old wooden natual gas lines in D.C. |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | old |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | never updated |
| [04:46:00] | PatrickDK: | cause it's such a pain |
| [04:46:00] | godsmoke: | that really depends on the location |
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| [04:47:00] | godsmoke: | I mean, we have a fiber cable distribution here |
| [04:47:00] | PatrickDK: | for gas pipe, they just slide plastic pipe inside of it |
| [04:47:00] | PatrickDK: | and run it at higher pressures |
| [04:47:00] | godsmoke: | it's just from the distribution point to the apartments is a gamble |
| [04:47:00] | godsmoke: | on new buildings — obviously all of that is new |
| [04:48:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, I have seen electricions wireup catv in houses |
| [04:48:00] | PatrickDK: | it's horrible to look at |
| [04:48:00] | godsmoke: | yes |
| [04:48:00] | PatrickDK: | 5 4way splitters, daisy chained |
| [04:48:00] | MACK--__: | I have a question about hardware I'm planning on using to set up a myth box. |
| [04:48:00] | awstott^n: | lol |
| [04:49:00] | MACK--__: | Can anyone help me out? |
| [04:49:00] | awstott^n: | the techs from the cable co do that here |
| [04:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: jesus, that's disgusting |
| [04:49:00] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [04:49:00] | godsmoke: | PatrickDK: that's done here — at the building level :) |
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| [04:49:00] | PatrickDK: | I know, I almost went and fixed it for them |
| [04:49:00] | godsmoke: | but I actually have physical access to our building's cable connections |
| [04:49:00] | PatrickDK: | but well, I didn't know if they had any nice hdtv cable boxes on the first splitters |
| [04:49:00] | PatrickDK: | and didn't want to mess it up |
| [04:49:00] | godsmoke: | so I separated my connection from the rest as well as I could |
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| [04:50:00] | godsmoke: | I also strung an amp out to the main distribution point |
| [04:50:00] | godsmoke: | for the building |
| [04:50:00] | PatrickDK: | ok, same link |
| [04:50:00] | PatrickDK: | but change the 2 to 8 |
| [04:50:00] | godsmoke: | and then I've got about 100 ft of rg-6uq |
| [04:50:00] | godsmoke: | and then another amp |
| [04:50:00] | godsmoke: | and then my 6-way splitter |
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| [04:51:00] | joeyjoejo: | how do I make mythweb stop asking me to download php files? |
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| [04:51:00] | PatrickDK: | fix apache |
| [04:51:00] | Tanthrix: | You have to enable PHP. |
| [04:52:00] | joeyjoejo: | how do I enable php? |
| [04:52:00] | godsmoke: | PatrickDK: CSI! :) |
| [04:52:00] | Tanthrix: | That's a sign that apache/php aren't setup correctly. |
| [04:52:00] | PatrickDK: | godsmoke, heh, it's on tv rght now here |
| [04:52:00] | godsmoke: | bte |
| [04:52:00] | godsmoke: | btw* |
| [04:52:00] | godsmoke: | gorgeous quality |
| [04:52:00] | Krazylegz: | joeyjoejo: You just have to add a line to the bottom of your httpd.conf. |
| [04:52:00] | mouser25: | what would cause the tuner to work with mplayer and not mythtv ? |
| [04:52:00] | PatrickDK: | that is 8mbit with 16mbit cap |
| [04:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: Antietam Cable ? |
| [04:52:00] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [04:53:00] | PatrickDK: | onlypeople out here, and they charge ALOT for internet |
| [04:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. I know the guys who run the internet service :) |
| [04:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I recognized the myactv.net :) |
| [04:53:00] | godsmoke: | cable internet! |
| [04:53:00] | godsmoke: | that's like paying the devil |
| [04:53:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, no dsl here |
| [04:53:00] | joeyjoejo: | is there a site that has how to enable php on apache? |
| [04:53:00] | godsmoke: | Verizon is running new copper for my dsl |
| [04:53:00] | Tanthrix: | Cable owns DSL. |
| [04:54:00] | godsmoke: | I got angry at the right people |
| [04:54:00] | ** GreyFoxx hugs his cablemodem ** | |
| [04:54:00] | PatrickDK: | well, the telephone company says it is, but the installation people can't install it |
| [04:54:00] | joeyjoejo: | and T1 whoops them all |
| [04:54:00] | PatrickDK: | I use my colo'ed rack most of the time |
| [04:54:00] | godsmoke: | joeyjoejo: yeah, if you want overpriced service that still relies on the telephone company |
| [04:54:00] | PatrickDK: | nothing like 200mbit :) |
| [04:54:00] | sfire||mouse: | my gfs friend is going to get fiber to the premise |
| [04:54:00] | Tanthrix: | My cable downstream is faster than a T1. |
| [04:55:00] | joeyjoejo: | well, I go to a university, so I just use theirs |
| [04:55:00] | godsmoke: | Tanthrix: who's isn't? |
| [04:55:00] | Tanthrix: | Upstream isn't even close though. And it's not as reliable. |
| [04:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [04:55:00] | PatrickDK: | my cable downstream is 1.4mbit, and for another $50 I can get 3mbit :( |
| [04:55:00] | godsmoke: | my cable downstream is 10Mb |
| [04:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: Ouch |
| [04:55:00] | PatrickDK: | but I want upstream |
| [04:55:00] | _Nero_: | latest teaser from my hopefuly soon to be done theme.. mockup of the playlist for mythmusic.. yay, or nay?? http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/i . . . playlist.jpg |
| [04:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mine is 10Mb as well |
| [04:55:00] | PatrickDK: | they want like $70 to upgrade it |
| [04:55:00] | PatrickDK: | it sucks |
| [04:55:00] | godsmoke: | I'm looking into an OC-3 from the datacenter |
| [04:55:00] | godsmoke: | so I can use my 100Mb there |
| [04:56:00] | PatrickDK: | ok, I'm out of here |
| [04:56:00] | PatrickDK: | see ya tomorrow |
| [04:56:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm happy that companies have abandoned all naming conventions. Comcast is now selling 4 megs per second! |
| [04:56:00] | godsmoke: | thanks for the clips |
| [04:57:00] | godsmoke: | you've sold me on hauppauge |
| [04:57:00] | Tanthrix: | Mb = megabits, MB = megabytes – But that's not what is on commercials these days. |
| [04:58:00] | Tanthrix: | Not that most people even know what a meg is, regardless of bits or bytes, but it's still annoying. |
| [04:58:00] | godsmoke: | hey, I mean, for $70, 10Mbps/800Kbps isn't bad |
| [04:58:00] | godsmoke: | I add that to my speakeasy dsl |
| [04:58:00] | godsmoke: | which I use for the 8 static ips |
| [04:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | I pay $44CDN for 10Mbps/1Mbps. But more importantly than speed it's stable |
| [04:59:00] | Tanthrix: | Does DSL have the same issues with downstream death while uploading? |
| [04:59:00] | godsmoke: | Tanthrix: hah ... |
| [04:59:00] | Tanthrix: | I know some of that stuff is inherent to TCP/IP, but cable seems to be particularely bad. |
| [04:59:00] | godsmoke: | let me inform you about how networking works |
| [05:00:00] | godsmoke: | it's all inherent to TCP/IP |
| [05:00:00] | godsmoke: | I've never seen anything worse on cable |
| [05:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | if you can't ACK fast enough it will slow you down :) |
| [05:00:00] | godsmoke: | which is why my 10Mbps connection is dedicated to torrents and usenet |
| [05:00:00] | godsmoke: | and my speakeasy connection is for surfing and small project hosting |
| [05:01:00] | joeyjoejo: | what line do I need to add to my httpd.conf to make php work? |
| [05:01:00] | |rt|: | network shaping can help atleast with the QoS for whatever services you don't want to have high latancies |
| [05:01:00] | godsmoke: | sure |
| [05:01:00] | godsmoke: | which is why voip goes over the stable and reliable dsl |
| [05:02:00] | Tanthrix: | I understand TCP/IP godsmoke. I do think cable has a bit more an issue with that regard, though. |
| [05:02:00] | awstott: | GreyFoxx where do you get 10mbit cable from? |
| [05:02:00] | |rt|: | but that doesn't fix the problem it just hides it from the users |
| [05:02:00] | godsmoke: | waiting for my new dish so I can get a wifi backup link here |
| [05:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | awstott^n: Eastlink Cable, here in Nova Scotia Canada |
| [05:02:00] | awstott: | ahh |
| [05:02:00] | kefahd is now known as oogamrm | |
| [05:02:00] | logic`: | I sit on like 10 Fibre Drops :\ |
| [05:02:00] | awstott: | telus rapes use out here in the west |
| [05:02:00] | logic`: | you guys from aus, can? |
| [05:02:00] | godsmoke: | USA |
| [05:02:00] | awstott: | canada |
| [05:03:00] | logic`: | ahh |
| [05:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Canada |
| [05:03:00] | godsmoke: | awstott: 10Mb cable here from RCN |
| [05:03:00] | logic`: | I got 10MB from roadrunner |
| [05:03:00] | godsmoke: | no you didn't |
| [05:03:00] | logic`: | and i haven't a complaint in the world |
| [05:03:00] | godsmoke: | roadrunner doesn't offer anything over 8Mbps even in their commercial packages |
| [05:03:00] | logic`: | godsmoke, :) they do down here |
| [05:03:00] | godsmoke: | where? |
| [05:03:00] | logic`: | San Diego California |
| [05:03:00] | |rt|: | do you guys actually see 10Mb of bandwidth? |
| [05:03:00] | Tanthrix: | Godsmoke: Using bittorent has the effect of killing my internet if I have anything more than 1 torrent open, even with bandwidth capped. Any thoughts? |
| [05:04:00] | godsmoke: | |rt|: yes |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | rtsai: I do |
| [05:04:00] | awstott: | highest residential package here is 7mbit |
| [05:04:00] | logic`: | |rt|, i've maxed it. |
| [05:04:00] | SqWaw: | How does lirc work? It receives a command and it basically says: "What do you want this IR signal to signify" |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | err |rt| |
| [05:04:00] | SqWaw: | ? or what |
| [05:04:00] | logic`: | awstott mine isn't residential |
| [05:04:00] | logic`: | I have the business class |
| [05:04:00] | |rt|: | ah |
| [05:04:00] | logic`: | the RoadRunner Residential Gaming package is 8 MB down 768 up |
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| [05:04:00] | logic`: | apparently |
| [05:04:00] | logic`: | mines 10/1.5 |
| [05:05:00] | godsmoke: | logic`: is this commercial cable? |
| [05:05:00] | |rt|: | that's nice....i have comcast here 6Mb but i've never hit that |
| [05:05:00] | logic`: | godsmoke, Yes. |
| [05:05:00] | logic`: | I said it was. |
| [05:05:00] | godsmoke: | I didn't see it — calm down — the max commercial lines here are 8Mb |
| [05:05:00] | awstott: | Downstream: 616.17 KBytes/s Upstream: 11.76 KBytes/s |
| [05:05:00] | awstott: | I have 5mbit |
| [05:05:00] | logic`: | ahh |
| [05:05:00] | Tanthrix: | I've read some places that some cable modems have issue with the bittorent's many, many simultaneous open connections. |
| [05:05:00] | godsmoke: | logic`: RR home is 5/384 or 8/512 |
| [05:05:00] | awstott: | shaw throttles BT |
| [05:05:00] | logic`: | Apparently the tech said down here they offer a 25mbps/10mbps cable package for as much as like 800/month |
| [05:05:00] | godsmoke: | here |
| [05:05:00] | logic`: | or crap |
| [05:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tanthrix: more often than not that has to do with some ratelimiting stuff the ISP has |
| [05:06:00] | Tanthrix: | When my net goes down, the modem seems unaffected, no cycling lights or anything like that. Appears to be connected. |
| [05:06:00] | logic`: | At my work (Cari.net) we have 10 fibre drops it's like sitting on a smoking gun |
| [05:06:00] | logic`: | lol |
| [05:06:00] | logic`: | my server is fibre'd right off the core router behind ISS |
| [05:06:00] | Tanthrix: | It's damned annoying – capping bandwidth has no effect, but capping open connections does. |
| [05:06:00] | godsmoke: | at work we've got 100Mbps drops every 10 feet dude :) |
| [05:06:00] | logic`: | (saves my ass from DDoS attacks) |
| [05:06:00] | godsmoke: | it's called a datacenter |
| [05:06:00] | Tanthrix: | But that means I'm limited to one torrent at a time. |
| [05:06:00] | joeyjoejo: | what line do I need to add to my httpd.conf to make php work? |
| [05:06:00] | logic`: | godsmoke, my whole datacenter is gige'd to each end lol |
| [05:07:00] | logic`: | 10 drops to core, out from core |
| [05:07:00] | logic`: | it's gig to each switch |
| [05:07:00] | logic`: | and from each switch it's either gig or 10/100 |
| [05:07:00] | godsmoke: | so it isn't all gig :) |
| [05:07:00] | godsmoke: | that's my point |
| [05:07:00] | logic`: | most of it |
| [05:07:00] | godsmoke: | most servers are 100 |
| [05:07:00] | logic`: | yeah |
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| [05:07:00] | logic`: | we got a lot of gig customers pushing 1000 out the tail pipe cause of there database servers |
| [05:07:00] | godsmoke: | I think we've got 3 100Mbps lines to our main servers, and we use about 90 of it, 30 across each |
| [05:08:00] | godsmoke: | we're supposed to peer with NYIIX soon |
| [05:08:00] | logic`: | That sounds pretty nice |
| [05:08:00] | logic`: | :) |
| [05:08:00] | godsmoke: | think we can offload 5 – 10 Mbps |
| [05:08:00] | godsmoke: | on the peer |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | haha |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | dude |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | on the RR San Diego Business Internet page |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | 4Mbps is max downstream |
| [05:09:00] | logic`: | wtf? |
| [05:09:00] | logic`: | I got a 10 from them |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | http://sandiego.rrbiz.com/rr_sandiego/sec_unformatted.asp |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | uh oh |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | that's asp error crap |
| [05:09:00] | godsmoke: | http://sandiego.rrbiz.com/rr_sandiego/sec_unf . . . &DID=722 |
| [05:09:00] | logic`: | LOL |
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| [05:09:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm feeling lucky today. I was able to recover some important documents off of a windows drive that I formatted and paritioned / installed linux over |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | 4mbit? |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | not even residential is that slow here |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | lol |
| [05:10:00] | godsmoke: | I saw TRACKID, and took it off assuming it was all session id crap |
| [05:10:00] | godsmoke: | I know |
| [05:10:00] | godsmoke: | I saw the residential page |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | I get 10 down |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | i can download a linux full ISO in under 10 minutes |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | rofl |
| [05:10:00] | godsmoke: | hey dude, I love usenet at 10Mbps :) |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | i do too |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | rofl |
| [05:10:00] | logic`: | specifically why i got it |
| [05:11:00] | logic`: | had crap DSL on usenet and I was sick of it |
| [05:11:00] | godsmoke: | gotta download all of that ham radio discussion you know :) |
| [05:11:00] | |rt|: | Tanthrix: how did you manage to partition/format/and install linux on a drive and then realize that you had data on that drive that you nedded? |
| [05:11:00] | godsmoke: | that's what I use usenet for |
| [05:11:00] | |rt|: | needed |
| [05:11:00] | godsmoke: | so I'm looking for a roommate to share my office with |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | and I'm advertising on craigslist |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | and I keep getting all of these web designers |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | I specifically ask for GEEKS!! |
| [05:12:00] | Tanthrix: | |rt|: I reinstalled my main windows system months ago and I've kept the drive around since then to make sure I didn't need anything. I thought I had everything, but just by chance I missed a few files I needed. |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | web designers can't appreciate a $5k projector and 12 tv tuners and a 4 TB media server!!! |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | argh |
| [05:12:00] | godsmoke: | I need a geek who can appreciate all of the equipment here |
| [05:12:00] | oisastana: | where's your office at godsmoke? |
| [05:13:00] | |rt|: | we had one of those new sony projectors at work the other day $115k or so for one |
| [05:13:00] | godsmoke: | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=147+West+72nd+S . . . 42&hl=en |
| [05:13:00] | godsmoke: | upper west side of manhattan |
| [05:13:00] | Tanthrix: | Web designers – everyone's a web designer. My cat is a web designer. |
| [05:13:00] | oisastana: | well smoke, i'd be up for sharing, but a philly guy |
| [05:13:00] | godsmoke: | heh |
| [05:14:00] | godsmoke: | that's one long commute :) |
| [05:14:00] | oisastana: | yeah it is |
| [05:14:00] | oisastana: | haha |
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| [05:14:00] | godsmoke: | these stupid people just can't appreciate all of the good stuff here |
| [05:14:00] | oisastana: | i hear ya man |
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| [05:14:00] | godsmoke: | they want to bring their dell computer and do web design |
| [05:14:00] | godsmoke: | what the hell is that? |
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| [05:14:00] | oisastana: | shit like that makes me wanna burn this fucker down |
| [05:14:00] | godsmoke: | I need someone who enjoys staring at the 8-camera security system |
| [05:15:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: do you know if the 3ware 9500S-4LP only come in a PCI64 variety, or a PCI32 variety too? |
| [05:15:00] | |rt|: | godsmoke: what difference does it make as long as they pay their bills |
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| [05:15:00] | godsmoke: | |rt|: well, a) I gotta tolerate them all day |
| [05:15:00] | jnc: | CyberKnet: they will fit in a pci 2.2v 32-bit slot |
| [05:15:00] | godsmoke: | b) they might just get pissed off when I want to watch movies on a 400 inch image on the wall |
| [05:15:00] | CyberKnet: | jnc: thx |
| [05:16:00] | jnc: | CyberKnet: i'm not 100% first hand experience with that |
| [05:16:00] | godsmoke: | CyberKnet: btw ... the 3ware 9xxx cards are great |
| [05:16:00] | godsmoke: | I use two of em here |
| [05:16:00] | jnc: | CyberKnet: that's just what i've heard written on a website post or two |
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| [05:16:00] | CyberKnet: | jnc: Yeah, I just managed to find their motherboard compatibility pdf on 3ware's site that lists my motherboard (Abit NF7) |
| [05:17:00] | jnc: | CyberKnet: i can't figure out what to do with the one i bought via eBay |
| [05:17:00] | jnc: | i'd rather have $400 than the card |
| [05:17:00] | jnc: | ;) |
| [05:18:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd rather have my data not screwed over by drive loss, power loss, or kernel panic |
| [05:18:00] | CyberKnet: | but that's just me. |
| [05:18:00] | godsmoke: | how about controller failure! :) |
| [05:18:00] | godsmoke: | that's always fun |
| [05:18:00] | godsmoke: | businesses buy this magical raid card that they think is foolproof |
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| [05:18:00] | godsmoke: | and the controller ends up being the thing to corrupt the data |
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| [05:20:00] | CyberKnet: | controller loss does suck =) |
| [05:20:00] | godsmoke: | not loss |
| [05:20:00] | godsmoke: | failure |
| [05:20:00] | CyberKnet: | that too. |
| [05:20:00] | CyberKnet: | raid is no substitute for a good backup plan. |
| [05:20:00] | godsmoke: | sure |
| [05:21:00] | godsmoke: | I'd kill 3ware of their cards fail and I lose 4 TB of movies and tv shows :) |
| [05:21:00] | godsmoke: | if* |
| [05:21:00] | CyberKnet: | I am just yet to afford the super duper AIT library that could back up my library =) |
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| [05:21:00] | godsmoke: | hrm |
| [05:21:00] | CyberKnet: | and associated brocade switches to attach it via. |
| [05:22:00] | godsmoke: | 11:21 .. almost time to go home |
| [05:22:00] | CyberKnet: | =)) |
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| [05:23:00] | jnc: | so uh... how do i make lirc work? |
| [05:23:00] | oisastana: | what have you done to lirc so far? |
| [05:23:00] | jnc: | i got lirc_atiusb module loaded and the lirc seems to work (as root) |
| [05:24:00] | godsmoke: | the quality on these 8Mbps captures from PatrickDK are amazing |
| [05:24:00] | godsmoke: | they're gorgeous quality |
| [05:24:00] | oisastana: | you gotta program a config file |
| [05:24:00] | jnc: | oisastana: i'm at the point where it seems to function as root, i ran irrecord and that responded to remote keypresses |
| [05:25:00] | jnc: | oisastana: do i need to change the perms? |
| [05:25:00] | jnc: | oisastana: debian seems to provide a reasonable default config file for lirc; i don't know if you mean i have to do an config file for mythtv |
| [05:25:00] | oisastana: | i think as .lircrc |
| [05:26:00] | oisastana: | well whoever is gonna run lirc has to have the config file i believe |
| [05:26:00] | jnc: | okay |
| [05:29:00] | jnc: | what goes in the lircrc? |
| [05:37:00] | oisastana: | that is essentially the file that maps your keys out |
| [05:37:00] | oisastana: | like not just your irrecord file, but which app utilizes which button to do what |
| [05:38:00] | oisastana: | it might end up being locate ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [05:39:00] | oisastana: | i thhink off the top of my head, haven't messed with lirc in a while |
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| [05:40:00] | oisastana: | you looking off any guides or anything? or just figuring everything out as it comes along? |
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| [05:54:00] | jnc: | oisastana: looking at mythtv docs |
| [05:54:00] | jnc: | that's about it |
| [05:54:00] | jnc: | gah |
| [05:54:00] | jnc: | mythbackend fried up again |
| [05:55:00] | jnc: | video output went blank on mythfrontend |
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| [06:08:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | T_T As soon as I got my sound working, my lirc device node stopped being created, even though dmesg says major 61 was created. Something does want me having a myth box =/ |
| [06:11:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | lirc-i2c and lirc-dev load and everything, but I only have a /dev/lircd |
| [06:11:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | but there used to be /dev/lirc/0 |
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| [06:14:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | brb |
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| [06:22:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | Nope, still nothing |
| [06:23:00] | jnc: | Surye[bacchus]: sucks, don't it? i'm fighting lirc myself :) |
| [06:23:00] | Darrell: | I gave up with lirc...it was so inconsistent |
| [06:23:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | But it was working lastnight! |
| [06:23:00] | Darrell: | got myself a IR keyboard and programmable universal remote |
| [06:24:00] | Darrell: | using JP1 codes to config the important keys to the universal remote...the ps2 interface does the IR work for me |
| [06:24:00] | ip_goat_rodeo: | I suppose that's one way of working around that problem |
| [06:24:00] | Darrell: | given how nasty keyboard JP1 stuff can be, it's a testament to how irritated I got with LIRC |
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| [06:27:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | I just want it to work >_< |
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| [06:27:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | I'm willing to try anything |
| [06:27:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | it's just not making the device nodes |
| [06:27:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | I even used mknod |
| [06:27:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | and manually did it. |
| [06:28:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | I think the i2c interface is broken |
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| [06:39:00] | Surye: | Oops, left this on at home. |
| [06:39:00] | Surye: | =P |
| [06:41:00] | logic`: | Surye :P |
| [06:41:00] | ** logic` is blutkind ** | |
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| [06:44:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | is a pentium 166 good for streaming mpeg 1 through mythvideo? |
| [06:46:00] | travolta: | maybe |
| [06:46:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | mpeg 2? |
| [06:46:00] | travolta: | no |
| [06:46:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | divx? |
| [06:47:00] | travolta: | most likely no |
| [06:47:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | shit |
| [06:47:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | would a pentium 166 work with knoppmyth? |
| [06:48:00] | travolta: | never used knoppmyth |
| [06:49:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | o |
| [06:49:00] | travolta: | i would probably just use mplayer to play the mpeg1 files |
| [06:49:00] | travolta: | in terminal (not x) |
| [06:49:00] | travolta: | framebuffer i think its called |
| [06:50:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | o |
| [06:50:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | thnas |
| [06:50:00] | tgyhfdhdh: | thanks |
| [06:50:00] | travolta: | just get a better system :) |
| [06:50:00] | travolta: | if possible |
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| [07:14:00] | Surye: | Ooh. Hey logic` |
| [07:14:00] | Surye: | Been a while |
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| [08:02:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | Haha, left it on back there again. |
| [08:02:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | Oh well, back to this |
| [08:02:00] | Surye[bacchus]: | ls |
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| [08:05:00] | Ediehow: | help |
| [08:05:00] | Ediehow: | anyone using pvr-150 and radi1o? |
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| [08:37:00] | nuongu1: | Anyone use the custom channel option in mythsetup? |
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| [09:01:00] | KaZeR: | nuongu1, not me. |
| [09:04:00] | KaZeR: | i have troubles using nuvexport. |
| [09:04:00] | KaZeR: | Unrecognized mpeg stream type. Please execute the following and see [...] |
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| [09:06:00] | nuongu1: | I haven't even got that far yeet |
| [09:07:00] | KaZeR: | mplayer log is here : http://www.kazer.org/mplayer.log |
| [09:07:00] | KaZeR: | nuongu1, why do you need custom channels options? |
| [09:08:00] | nuongu1: | When I change channels, mythtv mutes my sound |
| [09:08:00] | nuongu1: | I was going to just unmute it |
| [09:08:00] | KaZeR: | weird, never saw that |
| [09:08:00] | nuongu1: | But when I do that, of course, channels don't change |
| [09:09:00] | KaZeR: | what tvcard do you own? |
| [09:09:00] | nuongu1: | I think that it might not actually be muting, it changes the record option to something other than "Video" and so I have to manually change it back |
| [09:09:00] | nuongu1: | AverTV GO 007 FM |
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| [09:10:00] | nuongu1: | what distro do you use? |
| [09:10:00] | Tanthrix: | Do you think that maybe a permissions problem is causing the unmuting not to stick? |
| [09:10:00] | nuongu1: | I just built mythtv, so maybe I'll install it from src rather than the packages |
| [09:10:00] | nuongu1: | Where would the permissions be set? |
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| [09:11:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm really not quite sure how ivtv works or where it stores its settings, to be honest. |
| [09:11:00] | Tanthrix: | This is a shot in the dark, but have you tried running the backend and frontend both as root? |
| [09:11:00] | nuongu1: | not using ivtv |
| [09:11:00] | nuongu1: | no |
| [09:11:00] | nuongu1: | hm... I should try that... |
| [09:12:00] | Tanthrix: | Well, you're in luck, I don't know how bttv works either ;) |
| [09:12:00] | nuongu1: | (powering up my mythtv box...) |
| [09:13:00] | nuongu1: | This AverTv card uses the saa7134 driver... |
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| [09:13:00] | Tanthrix: | Weird. I setup a JBOD with my raid card yet linux is still seeing both disks. |
| [09:13:00] | Tanthrix: | saa7134 then! :P |
| [09:14:00] | nuongu1: | I should have shelled out for a hauppage card – most popular, I gather, and hence most widely supported |
| [09:14:00] | Tanthrix: | How much was your card? |
| [09:14:00] | nuongu1: | Maybe I'll still do that |
| [09:14:00] | nuongu1: | $40 – $20 mail in rebate |
| [09:15:00] | nuongu1: | which I didn't send off in time |
| [09:15:00] | Tanthrix: | Well, for that price, you had nothing to lose by trying. |
| [09:15:00] | Tanthrix: | Maybe I take that back in that case.. |
| [09:15:00] | nuongu1: | :-$ |
| [09:15:00] | nuongu1: | Maybe... |
| [09:16:00] | KaZeR: | yeah sure. pvr cards are nicer, but far more expensives |
| [09:16:00] | Tanthrix: | PVR150 is only 70 |
| [09:17:00] | KaZeR: | but afaik it doesn"t works perfectly yet, am i wrong? |
| [09:17:00] | Tanthrix: | That's debatable it seems. |
| [09:17:00] | Tanthrix: | I was able to get mine working just fine. Although it does have issues with lower resolution modes. |
| [09:17:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm using an older driver, however. |
| [09:17:00] | KaZeR: | ok. just because i'm trying a friend to get his pvr-500 card to work, with no real success yet. |
| [09:18:00] | KaZeR: | what driver version do you use? |
| [09:18:00] | Tanthrix: | http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/pvr150/ |
| [09:18:00] | Tanthrix: | http://www.g-ram.org/articles.html |
| [09:18:00] | Tanthrix: | The one listed on the second site. |
| [09:18:00] | Tanthrix: | Both are guides on setting up the PVR150, and the 500 should be pretty similar. |
| [09:19:00] | KaZeR: | ok thanks. |
| [09:19:00] | Tanthrix: | Np. |
| [09:19:00] | KaZeR: | btw, do you use nuvexport? |
| [09:20:00] | Tanthrix: | Never heard of it. |
| [09:20:00] | Tanthrix: | I take it that it converts myth .nuv files into mpeg2 or something? |
| [09:20:00] | KaZeR: | ok. it's a nice tool. |
| [09:20:00] | KaZeR: | yeah, and several others format (xvid, mpeg2 cut, svcd, etc) |
| [09:20:00] | Tanthrix: | Although, the .nuv files are mpeg2 already.. |
| [09:20:00] | Tanthrix: | Interesting. |
| [09:21:00] | KaZeR: | there's around a dozen of them. handy if you want to keep some recordings (and save space) |
| [09:21:00] | Tanthrix: | I see. |
| [09:22:00] | KaZeR: | i got that to work loads of time, but since some days i can't export anything. |
| [09:23:00] | nuongu1: | Running as root doesn't fix my problems, sadly... |
| [09:23:00] | Tanthrix: | Do you have a means of changing channels without using mythtv? |
| [09:23:00] | nuongu1: | Not that I know of |
| [09:23:00] | Tanthrix: | (ie, ivtv includes ptune-ui) |
| [09:23:00] | nuongu1: | I've been googling to see if I could find one, but not yet.. |
| [09:23:00] | KaZeR: | nuongu1, maybe with smth like tvtime or xawtv ? |
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| [09:24:00] | Tanthrix: | I'd like him to do mplayer /dev/video and change the channel at the same time to see if the problem is with mythtv or the card itself. |
| [09:25:00] | nuongu1: | My machine hard hangs when I invoke `mplayer /dev/video0` |
| [09:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Weird... |
| [09:25:00] | KaZeR: | nuongu1, do you have tvtime installed? |
| [09:25:00] | nuongu1: | yeah |
| [09:25:00] | KaZeR: | it may be worth trying with it |
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| [09:27:00] | nuongu1: | Problem with tvtime is that some other app has the /dev/video device open and so tvtimei can't touch it |
| [09:27:00] | KaZeR: | nuongu1, try killall mplayer |
| [09:27:00] | KaZeR: | there's probably one left running |
| [09:28:00] | Tanthrix: | try, as root, "fuser /dev/video0" |
| [09:28:00] | Tanthrix: | that will give you the pid of whatever is using it |
| [09:29:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, nice i didn't knew this one :) |
| [09:30:00] | nuongu1: | yeah, it's mythbackend |
| [09:31:00] | nuongu1: | I'm starting to dumm stuff, so I'm going to bed before I hurt something.. |
| [09:32:00] | Hoxzer: | does mythTV work with 64 bit linux ubuntu? |
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| [09:33:00] | jnc: | Hoxzer: not sure |
| [09:34:00] | jnc: | i use debian for my athlon64 3000xp+ based desktop |
| [09:34:00] | jnc: | needs a lot of tweaking |
| [09:34:00] | jnc: | i also had used Ubuntu, and i'm glad to do the tweaking and go with Debian now |
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| [09:38:00] | Hoxzer: | ok |
| [09:39:00] | ** Tanthrix shakily tries to setup a logical volume in linux... ** | |
| [09:39:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: LVM2 is fun |
| [09:40:00] | Tanthrix: | That's what I have. Just not sure how to proceed. |
| [09:40:00] | Tanthrix: | I just did pvcreate to my two drives. Then vgvreate MainStorage two drives. Now I'm not quite sure what to do. |
| [09:41:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm trying to setup one partition spanning these two drives for mythtv to put its recordings in. |
| [09:41:00] | jnc: | oh okay |
| [09:41:00] | Tanthrix: | What is my next step? |
| [09:42:00] | jnc: | so you'd have many physical volumes, then you create a volume group consisting of physical volumes, the next step is to create some logical extents within that volume group |
| [09:42:00] | jnc: | i think |
| [09:42:00] | jnc: | that would give you your /dev/vgyournamehere/logicalextentname block device |
| [09:42:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, i did yesterday :) |
| [09:42:00] | jnc: | so what you'll want to do at some point is vgscan -a y |
| [09:42:00] | jnc: | i think |
| [09:43:00] | Tanthrix: | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/createlv.html |
| [09:43:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm looking at that right now. |
| [09:43:00] | jnc: | 'k |
| [09:43:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, start by creating volume extents |
| [09:43:00] | jnc: | yeah if there's no data on there, nothing to worry about yet |
| [09:43:00] | Tanthrix: | No data to worry about. |
| [09:44:00] | jnc: | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/commontask.html |
| [09:44:00] | Tanthrix: | KaZeR: You sure you don't mean logical volumes? |
| [09:44:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, depends of what you already did in fact :) |
| [09:45:00] | KaZeR: | this is a nice guide : http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
| [09:45:00] | Tanthrix: | I just did pvcreate to my two drives. Then vgvreate MainStorage two drives |
| [09:45:00] | Tanthrix: | so I have a volume group MainStorage created now |
| [09:45:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: the volume group would be where multiple physical volumes are absorbed and used |
| [09:46:00] | jnc: | when creating a pv, you wouldn't worry (in theory) about where it's getting stored, just that you know which VG to assign it to |
| [09:46:00] | Tanthrix: | Should I do "lvcreate -l 25646 MainStorage -n MainStorage" now? |
| [09:46:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, what fs do you run on your lvm? |
| [09:46:00] | Tanthrix: | (25646 is my "total pe") |
| [09:46:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: i got rid of LVM, it was a pain in the ass |
| [09:46:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, yep. |
| [09:46:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: i used to run a fairly large complicated setup with ext3 |
| [09:46:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, you can use lvcreate -L+${SIZE_IN_GB}G i believe |
| [09:47:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok install]# lvcreate -l 25646 MainStorage -n MainStorage |
| [09:47:00] | Tanthrix: | /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
| [09:47:00] | Tanthrix: | Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? |
| [09:47:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, ok. |
| [09:47:00] | Tanthrix: | Gah. I was hoping mandrake already had it setup correctly... |
| [09:47:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, modprobe dm-mod |
| [09:47:00] | jnc: | it would PXEboot from an ethernet card, with a special initrd that loaded support for the LVM |
| [09:47:00] | jnc: | not very practical |
| [09:47:00] | Tanthrix: | Now it worked. |
| [09:47:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, :) |
| [09:47:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, well, it shouldn't be far more difficult, is it? |
| [09:48:00] | KaZeR: | since storage is handled by the fileserver |
| [09:48:00] | Tanthrix: | So what do I do now? Is /dev/MainStorage basically a drive that I can format now? |
| [09:48:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: depending on your distro there might be an lvm support package that runs from /etc/init.d and loads those modules |
| [09:48:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, you're right |
| [09:48:00] | KaZeR: | format and mount |
| [09:48:00] | KaZeR: | but choose carefully the fs! |
| [09:48:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: yeah, it's a block device, same as /dev/hda or any other |
| [09:48:00] | jnc: | ext3 is reliable |
| [09:48:00] | Tanthrix: | I can just stick modprobe dm-mod in an init script with all my other stuff. |
| [09:49:00] | Tanthrix: | Just what I was going to do, jnc ;) |
| [09:49:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, is ext3 shrinkable? |
| [09:49:00] | jnc: | well duh, 'parted' shrinks ext3 |
| [09:49:00] | jnc: | :) |
| [09:49:00] | KaZeR: | ok. good to know for the next time (i took xfs yesterday) |
| [09:49:00] | KaZeR: | but i think xfs can't be shrinked |
| [09:50:00] | jnc: | it's not live resizable, AFAIK there is experimental code to do that |
| [09:50:00] | Tanthrix: | mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/MainStorage now? |
| [09:50:00] | ** KaZeR stays away from experimental code for FS ** | |
| [09:50:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, yep, and you can mount / add to fstab |
| [09:50:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok install]# mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/MainStorage |
| [09:50:00] | Tanthrix: | mke2fs 1.36 (05-Feb-2005) |
| [09:50:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/MainStorage is not a block special device. |
| [09:50:00] | Tanthrix: | Proceed anyway? (y,n) |
| [09:50:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, what's nice about xfs is that you can resize the fs without unmounting it! |
| [09:51:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, /deV/Mainstorage/SOMETHINGHERE |
| [09:51:00] | KaZeR: | you're missing a part (there should be only one) |
| [09:51:00] | Tanthrix: | Oh, heh. |
| [09:51:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: i've heard many horror stories about people losing data to XFS / Linux driver corruption |
| [09:51:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok install]# mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/MainStorage/MainStorage |
| [09:51:00] | Tanthrix: | That did the trick. |
| [09:52:00] | KaZeR: | jnc gah |
| [09:52:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: my impression is that XFS is not stable as implemented in the Linux kernel |
| [09:52:00] | KaZeR: | mmm well i'll switch back to ext3 asap. i wasn't pretty sure of which to use. |
| [09:52:00] | KaZeR: | i tried reiserfs last year, but it finished in a blood bath |
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| [09:52:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm curious, what does this mean? "1313075 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user" |
| [09:53:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, you can change that |
| [09:53:00] | laga: | Tanthrix: it means that a normal user may only use 95% of the file system. |
| [09:53:00] | KaZeR: | this is so your users can't fill the drive, so it let a little part for root / system |
| [09:53:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm just not quite sure what it means. Is the drive reserving 5 percent of its space for root use only? |
| [09:53:00] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, I see. |
| [09:53:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: i keep saying that about reiserfs, and reiserfs keep nailing me to the cross. this is my 6th reincarnation, and i'm tired of feeding the poor |
| [09:53:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, exactly :) |
| [09:54:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, you can switch this off with ext2tune -m 0 {device} i believe (iirw) |
| [09:54:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: use tune2fs to change that |
| [09:54:00] | Tanthrix: | Which one is it guys? ;) |
| [09:54:00] | KaZeR: | jnc's :) |
| [09:54:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: man tune2fs |
| [09:54:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: you'll want to specify the number of blocks/inodes to reserve manually |
| [09:54:00] | KaZeR: | but my args should be good :) |
| [09:55:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, on a pure storage drive, no need to reserve disk space imo |
| [09:55:00] | jnc: | is there a MAME module for MythTV? |
| [09:55:00] | KaZeR: | usefull for system/logs partitions |
| [09:55:00] | jnc: | KaZeR: yes there is a reason to do so, NFS |
| [09:55:00] | Tanthrix: | Fixed. Thanks. |
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| [09:55:00] | laga: | jnc: mythgame |
| [09:55:00] | KaZeR: | hi laga :) |
| [09:55:00] | jnc: | laga: ah, that handles mame ah? |
| [09:55:00] | laga: | jnc: yep |
| [09:55:00] | laga: | heya KaZeR, how are you? :) |
| [09:55:00] | KaZeR: | well, pretty nice :) |
| [09:56:00] | KaZeR: | i won a psp yesterday :D |
| [09:56:00] | laga: | kormoc: very nice :) |
| [09:56:00] | KaZeR: | it made me happy for the whole week i think :) |
| [09:57:00] | laga: | you can make good use the nuvexport module for the PSP now :) |
| [09:57:00] | Tanthrix: | Gah! Mainstorage is 99 Gig, how irritating...hehe. |
| [09:57:00] | jnc: | off the top of y'all caps, what would make MythTV Live TV work for ... about a half hour, and then suddenly freeze up |
| [09:57:00] | KaZeR: | loool |
| [09:57:00] | KaZeR: | laga, talking about nuvexport, it doesn't work for me |
| [09:57:00] | Tanthrix: | Used 33M? What's using it already? |
| [09:58:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: if you specify a whole drive (/dev/hdb example) for the physical volume, it won't eat that much space |
| [09:58:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, ext3 inodes |
| [09:58:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: but then you can never ever install a bootloader on that drive or it will die |
| [09:58:00] | Tanthrix: | 99GB will do just fine then. |
| [09:59:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm used to drive manufactures and their 1000 based trickery anyway.. |
| [09:59:00] | jnc: | if you really wanted the space, you'd have a 3ware card and 4 drives in raid5 |
| [09:59:00] | Tanthrix: | Infact, 99GB is just about what it should be. All is well. Thanks for the help! |
| [10:00:00] | Tanthrix: | I've got a hpt370, tried using raid0 and jbod, but linux still saw both drives. |
| [10:00:00] | KaZeR: | :) |
| [10:00:00] | Tanthrix: | Decided to just go with this instead of trying to get the htp370 raid working. |
| [10:00:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: the highpoint crap is not worth using IMO |
| [10:00:00] | jnc: | their drivers are binary-only |
| [10:00:00] | jnc: | no source code |
| [10:00:00] | Tanthrix: | And it's software based anyway, isn't it? Uses up some of the CPU? |
| [10:01:00] | jnc: | and once you get them working, everything else on the fucking box breaks down cries and goes home to mommy |
| [10:01:00] | KaZeR: | laga, nuvexport complains about : "Unrecognized mpeg stream type. Please execute the following and see" and mplayer tells me that : http://www.kazer.org/mplayer.log any tip? |
| [10:01:00] | jnc: | i've used the hpt371 chipset sucessfully with a couple of drives |
| [10:01:00] | laga: | KaZeR: well, my nuvexport has been transcoding a 90 minute recording for over 30 hours now, on a 2.4 ghz machine. but it has only use 700 minutes of my cpu time because transcode only uses 30% of the available cpu cycles :/ |
| [10:01:00] | jnc: | they do show up as an emulated scsi device |
| [10:01:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm using them right now on hde and hdf which are my spanned drives. Just standard IDE. Think I'll get any performance boost by using regular IDE? |
| [10:02:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: you want 3ware if you get a raid controller. |
| [10:02:00] | laga: | KaZeR: well, send it to xris (or the -users ML) |
| [10:02:00] | KaZeR: | yeah ok thanks :) |
| [10:02:00] | laga: | KaZeR: sorry, i gotta run |
| [10:02:00] | KaZeR: | laga, renice thing can't work for you? |
| [10:02:00] | KaZeR: | np, thanks & bye! :) |
| [10:03:00] | Tanthrix: | Will just using them as standard ide do any harm? I've just heard that the hpt37x are in general crappy and can waste CPU time. |
| [10:03:00] | Tanthrix: | I imagine though that acting as a regular IDE controller will be no different than the regular IDE bus. |
| [10:04:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: hpt controller caused my maxtor drives to fry |
| [10:04:00] | KaZeR: | brb coffee break |
| [10:04:00] | Tanthrix: | Maxtor drives fry themselves, you sure your hpt gave it a helping hand? |
| [10:04:00] | jnc: | Tanthrix: i sold that mobo (with hpt controller) soon as i could while the drives were being RMA'd |
| [10:04:00] | KaZeR: | jnc, breathing too close to my maxtor drive caused them to fry :) |
| [10:04:00] | jnc: | i realize that |
| [10:04:00] | KaZeR: | i don't know how many of them i broke :) |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | i had one running on the hpt, it fried |
| [10:05:00] | Tanthrix: | Hehe. I will only buy WD these days. |
| [10:05:00] | Tanthrix: | Too many maxtors have up and died on me to be a coincidence. |
| [10:05:00] | KaZeR: | brb |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | after i got the drive back from RMA, i swapped it for the other one. |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | when they went back on the hpt, they fried |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | it seems to be a coincidence |
| [10:05:00] | Tanthrix: | Weird. Sounds like something wrong with that mobo. |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | yeah |
| [10:05:00] | jnc: | that's why i sold it |
| [10:06:00] | jnc: | never will buy another Soyo board again. |
| [10:06:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm using all available ide and hpt372x on this windows box. |
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| [10:06:00] | jnc: | silicon image PATA raid controller cards are neat if you need two additional PATA ports |
| [10:07:00] | Tanthrix: | I setup a box recently with a 10000 RPM raptor in it. Quite fast. |
| [10:07:00] | Tanthrix: | Don't think I want to get PATA drives anymore. |
| [10:08:00] | jnc: | likewise |
| [10:08:00] | jnc: | i'm planning on selling off all my PATA drives |
| [10:08:00] | jnc: | the 250gb seagate SATA 7200.8's are at a price point ... i can't believe it |
| [10:09:00] | jnc: | it's so reasonable |
| [10:09:00] | Tanthrix: | this look good for my fstab? /dev/MainStorage/MainStorage /MainStorage defaults 1 2 |
| [10:10:00] | Tanthrix: | er, minus the lacking ext3 part.. |
| [10:10:00] | jnc: | looks okay |
| [10:11:00] | jnc: | i use the convention /dev/xyzvg/volumename, usually |
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| [10:11:00] | jnc: | like /dev/mccvg/root /dev/ncrvg/root |
| [10:11:00] | jnc: | but that's just me |
| [10:13:00] | Tanthrix: | No such file system! Error! Error! .. I suppose I need to load the lvm module first..heh |
| [10:15:00] | Tanthrix: | Ugh. Now it won't let me boot the system. Control D for normal boot does an autoreboot, emergency system repair doesn't give me any ways to edit my fstab... |
| [10:15:00] | Tanthrix: | Thoughts? |
| [10:15:00] | KaZeR: | login with emergency ? |
| [10:15:00] | KaZeR: | when logged in, you need to remount your root drive rw so you can edit that fstab file |
| [10:16:00] | Tanthrix: | it's mounted |
| [10:16:00] | KaZeR: | (or sometimes easier, boot to a live cd like gentoo install or knoppix and edit it) |
| [10:16:00] | KaZeR: | is it mounted RW ? |
| [10:16:00] | Tanthrix: | Problem fixed. Just had to mount /usr so I had access to a text editor. |
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| [10:17:00] | Tanthrix: | Root / was mounted by default. |
| [10:17:00] | KaZeR: | ok. but sometimes it's mounted ro (read only) and you can't edit the file |
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| [10:17:00] | KaZeR: | depends of where boot stopped |
| [10:18:00] | Tanthrix: | Tell me? Is the data on my new spanned drive striped, if not, if one drive fails, is it possible to recover the data left on the other? |
| [10:19:00] | KaZeR: | you're talking about your lvm right? |
| [10:19:00] | Tanthrix: | Yes. |
| [10:19:00] | KaZeR: | well, you can recover some datas in case of a failure. but you likely loose many sadly |
| [10:20:00] | Tanthrix: | I see. Well, I'm not *that* worried about losing TV recordings. We'll see about that though..I tend to keep absolutely everything that I download. |
| [10:20:00] | Tanthrix: | This is odd: Sep 6 01:18:16 ragnarok mount: mount: special device /dev/hde1 does not exist |
| [10:20:00] | Tanthrix: | Sep 6 01:18:16 ragnarok netfs: Mounting other filesystems: failed |
| [10:20:00] | Tanthrix: | Nothing about /dev/hde1 in my fstab. |
| [10:21:00] | KaZeR: | lol ragnarok :) |
| [10:21:00] | KaZeR: | obviously smth is wrong in your fstab i'd say |
| [10:21:00] | KaZeR: | can you paste it to me in pv? |
| [10:21:00] | KaZeR: | oh well |
| [10:21:00] | KaZeR: | i should read everything before replying :) |
| [10:22:00] | Tanthrix: | All my computers are named after people / things from norse mythology ;) |
| [10:22:00] | Tanthrix: | No prob. |
| [10:22:00] | Tanthrix: | nastrand, ragnarok, freya, loki, yggdrasil, and aegir |
| [10:22:00] | KaZeR: | that what we did when i was an admin in high school :) |
| [10:23:00] | KaZeR: | we add thor, nibbelungen, and some others (don't recall them all) |
| [10:23:00] | KaZeR: | s/add/had |
| [10:23:00] | Tanthrix: | Adds 10 cool points to each computer! |
| [10:23:00] | KaZeR: | lol right :D |
| [10:24:00] | Tanthrix: | Any clue about this error? |
| [10:24:00] | Tanthrix: | It's doing no harm, I just don't like errors... |
| [10:24:00] | Tanthrix: | It gives me a big nasty "FAILED" at boot, and we can't have that now can we.. |
| [10:24:00] | KaZeR: | nobody like them :) |
| [10:25:00] | KaZeR: | when exactly does it gives you this error, what's before and after ? |
| [10:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Sep 6 01:18:16 ragnarok haldaemon: haldaemon startup succeeded |
| [10:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Sep 6 01:18:16 ragnarok mount: mount: special device /dev/hde1 does not exist |
| [10:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Sep 6 01:18:16 ragnarok netfs: Mounting other filesystems: failed |
| [10:25:00] | Tanthrix: | Sep 6 01:18:17 ragnarok numlock: Starting numlock: |
| [10:27:00] | KaZeR: | mmm |
| [10:27:00] | KaZeR: | just to be sure :) |
| [10:27:00] | KaZeR: | grep hde /etC/fstab ? |
| [10:27:00] | KaZeR: | grep hde /etc/fstab ? |
| [10:28:00] | ** Tanthrix slaps Tanthrix around a bit with a large trout ** | |
| [10:28:00] | Tanthrix: | You can guess what's in there by that statement. |
| [10:28:00] | Tanthrix: | For some reason I was thinking the error was for hde, not hde1... |
| [10:29:00] | KaZeR: | :) |
| [10:29:00] | Tanthrix: | And hde1 a drive that is no longer existing... |
| [10:30:00] | Tanthrix: | . /dev/MainStorage doesn't appear to exist anymore. |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok ~]# vgchange -a y MainStorage |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/hde: Checksum error |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/disk: Checksum error |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | Unable to find volume group "MainStorage" |
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| [10:34:00] | Tanthrix: | I did modprobe dm-mod as well. |
| [10:34:00] | Tanthrix: | Thoughts? |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Why is it looking in /dev/disk? It should be /dev/hde /dev/hdf |
| [10:35:00] | KaZeR: | uh |
| [10:35:00] | KaZeR: | lsmod shows dm-mod ? |
| [10:35:00] | KaZeR: | what does vgscan says? |
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| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok ~]# vgscan |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/hde: Checksum error |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/disk: Checksum error |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:35:00] | Tanthrix: | Volume group "MainStorage" not found |
| [10:36:00] | Tanthrix: | Same thing. Weird. |
| [10:36:00] | KaZeR: | what did you change ? |
| [10:36:00] | Tanthrix: | Not a damn thing. |
| [10:36:00] | Tanthrix: | As far as I know. |
| [10:36:00] | Tanthrix: | I am quite tired, heh. |
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| [10:37:00] | KaZeR: | i saw that with the fstab thing ;) |
| [10:37:00] | KaZeR: | pvscan ? |
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| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | [root@ragnarok ~]# pvscan |
| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/hde: Checksum error |
| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | /dev/disk: Checksum error |
| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | Couldn't read volume group metadata. |
| [10:39:00] | Tanthrix: | No matching physical volumes found |
| [10:40:00] | KaZeR: | wow |
| [10:40:00] | KaZeR: | erm |
| [10:41:00] | dmz: | hey y'all |
| [10:42:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, vgchange -a y ? |
| [10:42:00] | dmz: | i have 2 inputs coming in (cable & dish network) so my guide displays a lot of channels now. is there any easy way to know which channel is from which input on the guide display? |
| [10:42:00] | KaZeR: | hi dmz |
| [10:42:00] | Tanthrix: | Same error. |
| [10:43:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, i'm out of clue. => #lvm ? |
| [10:43:00] | Tanthrix: | Hehe. No worries. I'll deal with it tomorrow, I need hit the sack now. |
| [10:44:00] | KaZeR: | as you wish. |
| [10:44:00] | Tanthrix: | Thanks for all the help getting everything going. |
| [10:44:00] | KaZeR: | but someone's alive in the chan |
| [10:44:00] | Tanthrix: | You too jnc. |
| [10:44:00] | KaZeR: | Tanthrix, np :) |
| [10:44:00] | Tanthrix: | Probably a drive came unplugged or something stupid...heh. |
| [10:44:00] | Tanthrix: | If you're around tomorrow I'll let you know what came of it. |
| [10:44:00] | KaZeR: | never saw that error before. |
| [10:45:00] | KaZeR: | i'm often not far :) |
| [10:45:00] | Tanthrix: | Hehe. |
| [10:45:00] | Tanthrix: | G'night. |
| [10:45:00] | KaZeR: | you too :) |
| [10:45:00] | KaZeR: | i'm at work :D |
| [10:45:00] | Tanthrix: | I'm not, and I have to be there at 9am. :/ |
| [10:45:00] | KaZeR: | what time is it for you ? |
| [10:46:00] | Tanthrix: | Hence the sleep and all that, otherwise I would get this thing working tonight. |
| [10:46:00] | Tanthrix: | 1:46am. |
| [10:46:00] | KaZeR: | uh, night will be short! enjoy! |
| [10:46:00] | Tanthrix: | Aye. Thanks. Later |
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| [10:47:00] | KaZeR: | bye |
| [10:48:00] | syle: | http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/systems/xbox360/ |
| [10:48:00] | dmz: | KaZer, hey |
| [10:48:00] | dmz: | Sorry was watching a movie :) |
| [10:49:00] | KaZeR: | dmz, np ;) |
| [10:49:00] | dmz: | so is there any easy way to have the guide display dish/cable so I know which is which? |
| [10:49:00] | KaZeR: | syle, nice, i just can't wait to be able to put a linux on it to use it as a frontend :D |
| [10:50:00] | KaZeR: | dmz, don't know for this one, i have only one channel source |
| [10:50:00] | syle: | haha |
| [10:50:00] | syle: | i was thinking the exact same thing |
| [10:50:00] | KaZeR: | :D |
| [10:50:00] | syle: | i figure by summer all mod hacks will be out and stable |
| [10:50:00] | syle: | since they aren;t releasing till christmas |
| [10:50:00] | KaZeR: | yeah this looks promising :) |
| [10:51:00] | KaZeR: | brb |
| [10:53:00] | dmz: | darn, guess i'll search some |
| [10:53:00] | dmz: | i've got both input into a pvr350 now and a new 500 is coming in so i'll have 3 live input sources by end of week :) |
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| [11:00:00] | syle: | just realize the pvr350 is a better card than the 500 |
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| [11:06:00] | dmz: | it is much better |
| [11:06:00] | dmz: | but having both is nice too :) |
| [11:09:00] | dmz: | can anything be done about a video with the audio out of sync? |
| [11:09:00] | dmz: | it's about 5 seconds behind |
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| [11:37:00] | dmz: | ok i have an external channel changer setup for my dish input (on s-video), 2 things. 1 no sound seems to come in via svideo and the external channel change command doesn't do anything from within mythtv. from command line it works. do i need any special characters or settings for it to work in mythtv? |
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| [12:06:00] | KaZeR: | dmz, for the out of sync pb, you can do smth with virtual dub |
| [12:07:00] | KaZeR: | dmz, svideo is a video only signal. it can't handle audio. |
| [12:07:00] | KaZeR: | you should have another input for the audio on the card |
| [12:07:00] | dmz: | ah |
| [12:07:00] | dmz: | hmm i would have thought the pvr350 would have had an audio in |
| [12:08:00] | dmz: | what about the channel not changing? |
| [12:08:00] | KaZeR: | there's a audio in, but it's another plug |
| [12:08:00] | KaZeR: | you should have 2 jacks on this card, on of them is the one |
| [12:08:00] | KaZeR: | for the channels thing, dunno, i never used an external switcher yet |
| [12:08:00] | dmz: | i'll double check that |
| [12:08:00] | dmz: | but w/out being able to change channel it doesn't matter :) |
| [12:09:00] | dmz: | i'm gonna get some sleep and ask again in the morning |
| [12:09:00] | KaZeR: | ok. good night, and good luck :) |
| [12:10:00] | dmz: | thanks |
| [12:10:00] | dmz: | what would have caused the video to get out of sync w/audio? |
| [12:12:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: hi! what did you use for building your mythslax packages – slackware or slax? |
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| [15:15:00] | Deepdelver: | hello |
| [15:16:00] | Deepdelver: | can someone explain me hoe to enable lirc for knoppmyth |
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| [15:20:00] | simon_c: | Is it going to cause me problems if my location for storing myth recordings is limited to 2GB file size ? |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | simon_c: It will if the recordings are larger than 2GB :) |
| [15:23:00] | simon_c: | GreyFoxx: :-( Time to replan where I was going to put the main disk. |
| [15:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | What had the 2gb limit ? |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | (is that a samba limit?) |
| [15:25:00] | simon_c: | Every disk I buy is a noisy bugger. So my mythbox only has a 20GB 2.5" disk to stand a chance of being quiet. Then put the main disk in the windows box (different room) and share it. However, that's where the 2gb limit comes in. |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [15:25:00] | simon_c: | GreyFoxx: Will, FAT32 is 2gb. |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen Samba run into a similar limit, but that could have been a long time ago |
| [15:25:00] | simon_c: | GreyFoxx: NTFS should be bigger, but I suspect I'll hit some other problems. I'm bound to. :-( |
| [15:26:00] | simon_c: | And my other linux box is on the end of a wireless link under the stairs. |
| [15:26:00] | simon_c: | (and very very old. P2–233 IIRC. ) |
| [15:27:00] | simon_c: | Time to do some stealth cabling so my other half doesn't notice ;-) (for some reason she doens't like cables tacked allong skirting boards. Can't imagine why. |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh pop the boards off, run the cables and put the trim overtop :) |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | that's what I usually do :) |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | depending on your place there might be a small gap under the trim |
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| [15:30:00] | simon_c: | It's getting them through the doorways that are tricky..... And we only decorated last year, so popping off the skirting boards would cause problems taking parts of the plaster off :-( . |
| [15:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | You should be abl;e to use ntfs on the other end of the share. |
| [15:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | if only to avoid destroying your house |
| [15:33:00] | simon_c: | GreyFoxx: :-) |
| [15:33:00] | Deepdelver: | can somebody help me with my lirc |
| [15:33:00] | simon_c: | GreyFoxx: I might try that. If it works, then it gives me an excuse to get rid of the old red-hat8 box too. Save a few £ in electricity over a year too ;-) |
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| [15:35:00] | Tommck: | why is it that my edited names for my videos don't show up in MythVideo? |
| [15:35:00] | simon_c: | Is there anyway to setup user catagories for myth recordings ? I want to dump all my daughters programs from the sky+ box to myth, and setup a playlist of them. So, it's easy to start and stop the playback of the playlist. Can myth do this yet ? |
| [15:36:00] | Deepdelver: | how do i unzip a .tar.bz |
| [15:36:00] | Deepdelver: | ??? |
| [15:36:00] | simon_c: | tar -xjf |
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| [15:38:00] | Deepdelver: | i did get error this does not look like an tar archive |
| [15:38:00] | Deepdelver: | :s |
| [15:38:00] | Deepdelver: | i onlu want to install my mce remote |
| [15:39:00] | Tommck: | sounds like a corrupted/incomplete download |
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| [15:39:00] | simon_c: | they're normally bz2, not just bz ........ |
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| [15:39:00] | Deepdelver: | ok i will try thnx for the help |
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| [15:41:00] | Deepdelver: | http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ . . . 0.7.2.tar.gz |
| [15:41:00] | Deepdelver: | still not working |
| [15:41:00] | simon_c: | gz is tar -xzf |
| [15:41:00] | Tommck: | it's Gz |
| [15:41:00] | Tommck: | big difference |
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| [15:57:00] | Deepdelver: | can somebody look at this |
| [15:57:00] | Deepdelver: | http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=L . . . CE2004Remote |
| [15:57:00] | Deepdelver: | they say that i need to go to cd /usr/src/linux |
| [15:58:00] | Deepdelver: | but the dir linux is an file not a dir |
| [15:58:00] | Deepdelver: | do somebody know why i can find it now? |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | ls -al /usr/src/linux |
| [15:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | it is usually a symlink to a directory containing the kernel source |
| [15:59:00] | Deepdelver: | ok i did what laga says |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | Deepdelver: never midn |
| [15:59:00] | Deepdelver: | what do i need to do after that? |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | please read up on some unix/linux basics |
| [16:00:00] | Deepdelver: | yes i did but i cant find that dir |
| [16:00:00] | Deepdelver: | i gues an basic unix/linux wont tell me they didnt it till now |
| [16:00:00] | simon_c: | Deepdelver: With no disrespect intended, if you're having problems at this point, you are not going to get myth working. |
| [16:00:00] | Deepdelver: | dont want that want lirc working |
| [16:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | Deepdelver: That howto assumes you have the kernel source installed, and in the directory /usr/src/linux, OR that /usr/src/linux is a symlink to it |
| [16:02:00] | Deepdelver: | ok but where do i find that kernel? |
| [16:03:00] | simon_c: | Deepdelver: it's the kernel *source*, and it will be somewhere on the CD/DVD for your distro. |
| [16:04:00] | Deepdelver: | :'( now i dont understand it anymore the only i need to do is prepare my system to install lirc |
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| [16:06:00] | Deepdelver: | do somebody want to explain it to me i'm a noob i know but i will always stay a noob if nobody teach me things |
| [16:07:00] | simon_c: | Deepdelver: I can sympathise. However, myth is (IMO) a very complex product (or is that, I just can't get my head around it all) |
| [16:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | With flexibility comes complexity. "User friendly" = restrictions :) |
| [16:08:00] | Deepdelver: | i know it is not easy to install mythtv |
| [16:09:00] | Deepdelver: | but i only need to install my media center remote after that its fixed |
| [16:09:00] | Deepdelver: | i gues :P |
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| [16:13:00] | Deepdelver: | but nobody can just tell me how i can get past to step 3 of this site http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=L . . . CE2004Remote |
| [16:13:00] | Deepdelver: | its so easy for you guys but not for me so why dont just help me |
| [16:14:00] | Deepdelver: | :'( |
| [16:14:00] | Tommck: | Easy? |
| [16:14:00] | Tommck: | I've been working on my myth box since January |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | it functions, usually |
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| [16:15:00] | Deepdelver: | ok not easy bur you know where i'm stuck and the most here now a solution but wont tell me |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | they have told you. |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | you just don't understand the solution |
| [16:16:00] | Deepdelver: | dont know why do they enjoy it to tell people they are dorks |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | your knowledge of unix/linux is very lacking |
| [16:16:00] | Deepdelver: | i know |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | "simon_c: Deepdelver: it's the kernel *source*, and it will be somewhere on the CD/DVD for your distro." |
| [16:16:00] | Beirdo: | his whining skills are good though |
| [16:16:00] | Deepdelver: | :( |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | you need to run whatever setup/administration app that comes with your distro and add the kernel source to your system |
| [16:17:00] | _Nero_: | got no feedback last night, so I figure I'll try again.. |
| [16:17:00] | _Nero_: | latest teaser from my hopefuly soon to be done theme.. mockup of the playlist for mythmusic.. yay, or nay?? http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/i . . . playlist.jpg |
| [16:18:00] | Tommck: | _Nero_ – widescreen theme? |
| [16:18:00] | _Nero_: | Tommck- no, that is just the upper playlist piece |
| [16:18:00] | Tommck: | oh. |
| [16:18:00] | Tommck: | ptth |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck: | I want widescreen themes :) |
| [16:19:00] | _Nero_: | the "now playing" and mini-visualizer will be of the same format.. |
| [16:19:00] | _Nero_: | well, if I have time, I'll definitely do widescreen.. |
| [16:19:00] | Deepdelver: | can i do a kernel update? |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck: | right.. seems cool.. I don't like wood grain myself |
| [16:19:00] | Tommck: | Deepdelver – you can... but that's not what you need.. .you need the SOURCE for the kernel |
| [16:20:00] | _Nero_: | Tommck- Yeah, I am throwing the wood around.. I am trying to go for a vintage old radio look.. the metal is going to be weathered, as well as the wood.. |
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| [16:20:00] | Tommck: | ah |
| [16:20:00] | _Nero_: | here is the main screen- http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/oldfilmss.jpg |
| [16:20:00] | Deepdelver: | http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=KernelUpgradeHowTo |
| [16:20:00] | Deepdelver: | like these |
| [16:20:00] | _Nero_: | the menus, etc.. are about 95% complete. |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck: | Deepdelver – pay attention! You don't NEED an UPGRADE. You need the SOURCE to the kernel you are already running |
| [16:21:00] | Deepdelver: | ok |
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| [16:22:00] | _Nero_: | Beirdo- |
| [16:22:00] | _Nero_: | did you do any theme work? |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | Whazzup |
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| [16:23:00] | _Nero_: | I cant remember if that was you, or someone else I was talking with.. |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | nah, I'm happy with Titivillus :) |
| [16:24:00] | _Nero_: | ahhh. ok.. I need to find someone who is familiar with theme workings.. I'm not sure if I have enough control over the lines of text, to do what I want. |
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| [16:27:00] | jonK: | fg |
| [16:27:00] | Tommck: | so, besides hacking my TIvo apart or manually recording the video output, is there a way for me to grab TV episodes off ot it? |
| [16:29:00] | Deepdelver: | Tommck i cant find the source i found in the dir mythtv i386 i586 i686 source is that what i need |
| [16:29:00] | jonK: | series 1 or series 2? |
| [16:29:00] | Tommck: | Deepdelver – here is the reason people don't want to help you. |
| [16:29:00] | Tommck: | jonK – series 1 |
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| [16:29:00] | jonK: | yes, look for tystudio |
| [16:29:00] | Tommck: | Deepdelver – you need the source of the LINUX KERNEL, nothing to do with MYTH |
| [16:29:00] | Deepdelver: | ok |
| [16:30:00] | jonK: | and may I say again how very happy I am with LVM |
| [16:30:00] | Deepdelver: | thnx i will search further |
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| [16:30:00] | jonK: | tommck, but that will involve hacking it with at least a network connection and the tivo tools package |
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| [16:32:00] | jonK: | but is that an issue for you? |
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| [16:39:00] | whyz: | so GreyFoxx, you don't think there is any tv app that works with the pvr-350? :/ |
| [16:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I said that I haven't seen any |
| [16:40:00] | whyz: | you're probably right |
| [16:40:00] | whyz: | i know you know your stuff, so i take your word for it :) |
| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | There could very well be one, I've just never heard of it :) |
| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless you could freevo |
| [16:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | count |
| [16:41:00] | whyz: | is that a small simple app that lets me watch in a window? |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's ments to be a menu system similar to Myth |
| [16:42:00] | whyz: | yeah it looks quite similar i must say |
| [16:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can run myth in a window :) |
| [16:43:00] | whyz: | i find it a bit too heavy for just having in a small window.. takes forever just to resize the theme each time i switch between watching on the montior and the tv ;/ |
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| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | jonK – sorry... got a phone call.. |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | well, I upgraded the disk space in my Tivo 5 years ago |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | but I haven't done anything else to it since |
| [16:53:00] | jonK: | you will need a network card, or maybe could pull the disk, mount the partition and pull files |
| [16:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is some way to pull the recordings from a tivo. Over the network I think |
| [16:54:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – yeah... but I have a series 1... no network card by default |
| [16:54:00] | sphing: | yes there is |
| [16:54:00] | sphing: | but you need windows |
| [16:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [16:55:00] | jonK: | no, tystudio is available for windows and linux |
| [16:55:00] | sphing: | i stand corrected |
| [16:57:00] | jonK: | i added a 2nd harddrive to my tivo years ago as well |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – can you believe I'm missing yet another episode of BSG? I think my Myth box is possessed |
| [16:57:00] | jonK: | also added the extra memory and a netowrk card |
| [16:58:00] | jonK: | and then this year foolishy wondered why i was paying tivo $13/month when i could just build a mythtv system |
| [16:58:00] | sphing: | has anyone turned a tivo box into a myth box? |
| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | i bought the lifetime subscription right away.. was only $200 then |
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| [17:01:00] | jonK: | sphing, can't be done |
| [17:03:00] | jonK: | tivo series 1 == 16mb ram 54 mhz PPC |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | anybody familiar with nuvexport here? |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – you around? |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | hehe... |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | does nuvexport detect the settings that were used to record something so that it only does what's needed? |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | I'm trying to export to DVD and it just have me a single line (one call to ffmpeg) instead of about 7 or 8 piped commands chained together |
| [17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | jonK: Maybe not with mythfrontend, but someone could hack up a player IF they figured out how to use the tivo's mpeg decoder |
| [17:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | the mvpmc guys did ti for the MediaMVP which is just a 150mhz ppc with 16meg of ram |
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| [17:07:00] | Tommck: | 150mhz? and that can play video at full res? |
| [17:08:00] | Tommck: | I know it's got a hardware decoder |
| [17:08:00] | Tommck: | but that seems too slow to even route network traffic! |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | Tommck: It's more than plenty |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | interesting |
| [17:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | hell My old 486-dx266 use to handle a job as a router :) |
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| [17:13:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
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| [17:17:00] | Beirdo: | I used to use a 386DX40 |
| [17:17:00] | Tommck: | yeah... I used some slow ones in the day, but I'm using a P2–400 now |
| [17:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | My P90 which I had been using since '96 finally died a few months ago. Though it was more my fault for my noticing the cpu fan had locked and it cooked the cpu :) |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | hehe... |
| [17:24:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: when was the last time you opened that box? |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | Which? the old firewall? |
| [17:24:00] | sphing: | haha yea |
| [17:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | a year or 2 I think :) |
| [17:25:00] | sphing: | o thats not too bad |
| [17:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | previously in that same box I had a harddrive ock up. But the firewall kept running for 17 days or so. And it didn't die but my dhcp client failed after continually failing to wrote out my lease info which is how I found out the drive was dead :) |
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| [17:48:00] | abarbaccia_: | hey all – im a little confused because when i record at 740x480 or at 352x480 – either way the filesize is the same |
| [17:49:00] | abarbaccia_: | what gives? |
| [17:49:00] | sphing: | does anybody have a backend with scsi drives? |
| [17:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | abara: the bitrate determines the size, not the resolution |
| [17:50:00] | whyz: | hello boys and girls, does anyone have the script to set up the videometadata mysql table? |
| [17:50:00] | abarbaccia_: | GreyFoxx, i was unaware |
| [17:50:00] | abarbaccia_: | so I should leave the resolution at max |
| [17:50:00] | whyz: | for the mythvideo plugin |
| [17:50:00] | abarbaccia_: | and just vary the bitrate? |
| [17:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | abara: Well, a smaller sample(resolution) look better at a given bitrate than a larger resolution with the same bitrate |
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| [17:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | personally I record at 544x480 with my bitrates at like 4M-9M Max |
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| [17:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I also don't care to burn to DVD or anything like that |
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| [17:52:00] | abarbaccia: | so for the default profile I want to make files only like1GB/hour – what bitrate should i be using |
| [17:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* do the math, :) |
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| [17:54:00] | abarbaccia: | alright so 2200 is 1GB/hour |
| [17:54:00] | abarbaccia: | so im putting the bitrate on 2200 with max at 4k |
| [17:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've varieed mine so many times over the years I usually have to go and look to see what they are currently set to as I never know :) |
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| [18:00:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: do you raid your fileserver? |
| [18:02:00] | ** Atamido records MPEG-2 @ 16mbit. ** | |
| [18:04:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | The WinTV PVR 250 seems to be the most popular card here for mythtv users... |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | I found going past 6–8Mbit made little to no difference that I could tell |
| [18:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuongu1_AFK: Yup |
| [18:04:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | Is there an important difference between the MCE version and the non MCE version? |
| [18:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think one came with a remote, and the other didn't |
| [18:05:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | PVR 250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116602 |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | sphing: not at this point, no |
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| [18:05:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | PVR 250MCE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116616 |
| [18:05:00] | sphing: | so the backend can nly record 200gigs at a time? |
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| [18:07:00] | whyz: | what does the videometadata table look like? |
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| [18:07:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | System requireements for the 250 includes "Pentium® II processor 733MHz or faster" |
| [18:07:00] | nuongu1_AFK: | system requirements for the 250MCE includes "Pentium IV processor 1.2GHz or faster" |
| [18:08:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [18:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuongu1_AFK: that's just then trying to minimize the number of support calls :) |
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| [18:08:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: is that correct because I have 2 160's... is there anyway to get myth to use both? |
| [18:08:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm? |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | use LVM or RAID |
| [18:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Myth doesn't internally support spreading recordings across drives/directories. You have to do that at the OS level |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | the backend doesn't care how big the filesystem is |
| [18:09:00] | nuongu1: | GreyFoxx: I don't follow |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | it will write into a directory |
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| [18:09:00] | sphing: | ... i just dont want to wipe the drives |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | oh well |
| [18:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuongu1: Those minimums are not the real minimums. They just pick a low end spec and put that in the marketing stuff |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | it's nice to want things |
| [18:09:00] | nuongu1: | I think you're right about the remote |
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| [18:10:00] | dmz: | ok i have an external channel changer setup for my dish input (on s-video), 2 things. 1 no sound seems to come in via svideo and the external channel change command doesn't do anything from within mythtv. from command line it works. do i need any special characters or settings for it to work in mythtv? |
| [18:11:00] | dmz: | ignore 1st part, i got the sound (bad cable) |
| [18:11:00] | nuongu1: | Well, if the pictures are to be believed, the MCE has one more coax cable input |
| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuongu1: I think that's for an FM radio input |
| [18:12:00] | nuongu1: | the MCE has three RCA jacks and no mini-stereo jack, while the 250 has one mini-stereo jack and only one RCA jack |
| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can get an adapter to combine the 2 audio rca jacks into a mini jack |
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| [18:14:00] | nuongu1: | :-[ Oh, reading the "Ports In" field helps: 250: "TV In+S-Video In+Audio In+Remote Receiver In"; MCE: "TV In+FM In" |
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| [18:15:00] | nuongu1: | I really want FM in, but I'd also want to bring my VCR into the mythtv box? Do I need more than one card to do that? |
| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | no, like I mentioned there is an adapter to combine the audio rca jacks into a single mini jack |
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| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | but be warned, myth doesn't support the FM tuner |
| [18:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | so you will have to use other methods to access that |
| [18:17:00] | nuongu1: | One person wrote a MythFM plugin |
| [18:17:00] | dmz: | GreyFoxx there is a mythfm app |
| [18:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is that for accessing the FM tuner on aPVR card ? |
| [18:17:00] | dmz: | i think so, haven't built it yet :) |
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| [18:17:00] | nuongu1: | The adapter sounds useful, but I want to bring the VCR in via the S-Video, which the MCE doesn't have |
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| [18:18:00] | dmz: | get the pvr350, + a 500 then you have 3 inputs & 1 output |
| [18:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cool, it looks like it is intended to access that FM tuner |
| [18:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | learn something new every day |
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| [18:19:00] | Atamido: | I have a 500MCE and am happy with it. |
| [18:19:00] | dmz: | so anyone here use an irblaster w/dish or other external source? |
| [18:19:00] | jhoke: | hello |
| [18:19:00] | whyz: | i don't have the videometadata table in my database, so could someone please just do mysqldump --opt -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg videometadata; and give me the relevant result in a query to me? |
| [18:19:00] | Atamido: | Every now and then a show gets recorded screwy, but otherwise it is fine. |
| [18:19:00] | whyz: | i'd be really glad |
| [18:19:00] | nuongu1: | I didn't know there was a 500 |
| [18:20:00] | Atamido: | I think I will glue some heatsinks to the encoder chips. |
| [18:20:00] | dmz: | the 500 is very nice, but no video out |
| [18:20:00] | dmz: | atamido what do you use for video out? |
| [18:20:00] | nuongu1: | Atamido: and mythtv and video4linux support it? |
| [18:20:00] | Atamido: | 500 == 2x 150 on a single card. |
| [18:20:00] | whyz: | nuongu1, the 500 is just 2 150 |
| [18:20:00] | jhoke: | Just gotta say i have set up myth on FC4 w/out any issues at all.. works like a charm... TY |
| [18:20:00] | whyz: | Atamido, 2fast |
| [18:20:00] | Atamido: | 2fast? |
| [18:21:00] | Atamido: | Ah, nm |
| [18:21:00] | nuongu1: | jhoke: I'm running FC4 but having a wicked hard time getting my live tv audio to work |
| [18:21:00] | nuongu1: | It mutes whenever I change channels |
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| [18:22:00] | jhoke: | nuongu...what capture card are yu using? |
| [18:22:00] | nuongu1: | Actually, it doesn't mute: I fire up aumixer, change the Record option from Video to Line 2 and then back to Video again, and then my audio works until I change channels |
| [18:22:00] | nuongu1: | AverTV GO 007 FM |
| [18:22:00] | jhoke: | hmm.. usign PVR250 and Jarod's howto |
| [18:23:00] | jhoke: | had to muck with a few things (audio drivers) but no issues |
| [18:23:00] | nuongu1: | The 350 doesn't seem to have S-Video out, does it? |
| [18:23:00] | Atamido: | I just installed KnoppMyth and it worked once the latest IVTV was installed. |
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| [18:23:00] | nuongu1: | I'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116609 |
| [18:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | nuongu1: Yes it does |
| [18:24:00] | jhoke: | except nuvexport-mpeg2cut don't work on FC4 ... feh... need to find a way to cut commericals from my files then I am golden :) |
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| [18:24:00] | Atamido: | I once tried for 2 weeks strait to get it to work with Gentoo a year ago before giving up for 8 months. |
| [18:24:00] | whyz: | i'm sorry for beeing such a spammer, but as this is a very simple task and quite important (as my mythvideo plugin does not work without it), could someone PLEASE do mysqldump --opt -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg videometadata; and paste it in private to me? |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | jhoke: likely missing lvemux or something |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm not gonna be trying FC4 any time soon... |
| [18:24:00] | jhoke: | Beirdo... exactly wont complile |
| [18:24:00] | whyz: | Atamido, i got it working in one week on gentoo :P |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | then get a real distro |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | one that doesn't use GCC4, as I bet that's the issue |
| [18:25:00] | jhoke: | Beirdo...Yep... LOL |
| [18:25:00] | nuongu1: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, the 350 does have S-Video Out; Cool! |
| [18:25:00] | Atamido: | whyz: I never saw video, and the nForce2 audio was never quite right. |
| [18:25:00] | nuongu1: | Beirdo: why not? |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | people switching to GCC4 when much code won't compile with it yet. stupid |
| [18:25:00] | nuongu1: | I compiled last night with FC4 no prob |
| [18:26:00] | nuongu1: | I didn't try to run it, but it compiled fine |
| [18:26:00] | jhoke: | Nuon.. what compiled? We are taling about lve ; |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | nuongu1: follow the bouncing ball... lvemux won't compile with GCC4 :) |
| [18:26:00] | laga: | mythtv works fine with gcc 4.0. some people say that it makes the menus a lot faster. |
| [18:26:00] | laga: | hi Beirdo :) |
| [18:26:00] | dmz: | ahh a reboot is what was neede |
| [18:26:00] | nuongu1: | I think rather than using the packages from ATRpms, I might try to run directly from SVN/top-of-tree or something |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | heya, laga |
| [18:27:00] | jhoke: | Hmmm... other distros I have handy are SuSE9.3 and a recent Debian.. may be time to reinstall |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | Beirdo: how was your vacation? |
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| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | way too short |
| [18:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | whyz: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/videometadata.sql |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | debian sounds good to me |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | Beirdo: hehe :) |
| [18:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | But I should warn you, I run svn, and I have no idea how it differs from 0.18.x release |
| [18:27:00] | jhoke: | laga, any howto's similar to Jarod's for Deb? |
| [18:28:00] | laga: | jhoke: none that i'm aware of. google or mythtv.info should have some information, though |
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| [18:28:00] | jhoke: | yep... already up in other window.. just looking for a fast track :) |
| [18:29:00] | jhoke: | But other than the nuvexport-mpeg2cut issues, everythign is working like a charm on FC4 |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | good luck with fixing lve |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:29:00] | jhoke: | Hmm... does nuvexport-mpeg2cut need to run on the backend? my front end will be a debian box anyway ... |
| [18:30:00] | xris: | doesn't need to be on the backend. just needs access to the files (via nfs, etc) |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | it needs to run somewhere that has direct access to recordings, and that is in the database as a frontend or a backend |
| [18:30:00] | whyz: | thanks a lot GreyFoxx :) |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | jhoke: well, mount your recordings on the frontend over nfs and run the mythtv-setup on the frontend to set the path to your recordings |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | unless the database lookup was changed :) |
| [18:31:00] | jhoke: | sweet.... will give that a shot as well |
| [18:31:00] | whyz: | works like a charm now GreyFoxx, thanks again |
| [18:31:00] | jhoke: | I have it so my daughter can use myth to record her programs, and my wife is almost ready to use it LOL |
| [18:32:00] | laga: | xris: do you have any idea why nuvexport would do that: |
| [18:32:00] | jhoke: | its just that last .0001 mile to commercial cutting and dvd burning that I have to work around |
| [18:32:00] | laga: | processed: 6609296 of 1617456 frames (408%) |
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| [18:35:00] | nuongu1: | This lve thing is going to be a problem... |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | only if you want to use mpeg2cut |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | you can use everything else without it |
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| [18:36:00] | nuongu1: | To cut out commercials? That was one off the HUGE selling points I used to sell it to my better half! |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | gah, you can cut commercials still, just not in the same way |
| [18:36:00] | nuongu1: | Fortunately, I realised that my fu isn't that strong, so I told everyone in the house that this'll take me a while and there might be electronics on the floor for weeks :-) |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm gonna go take a walk |
| [18:37:00] | nuongu1: | And I should get to work! |
| [18:38:00] | nuongu1: | (scratch, scratch, stretch, yawn, smack smack smack grumbe ... need more coffee...) |
| [18:40:00] | jhoke: | Beirdo, what other ways can be used to cut commericals ... automagically using the myth cutlist? |
| [18:40:00] | ** jhoke is back ** | |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | nuvexport with transcoding |
| [18:42:00] | xris: | laga: do what? |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | built-in transcoding |
| [18:43:00] | xris: | oh |
| [18:43:00] | jhoke: | ? |
| [18:43:00] | jhoke: | so setup recordign to automatically transcode when done? |
| [18:43:00] | xris: | no clue, other than maybe the show only got part way through mythtranscode, and thus the frame count is wrong? |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | if you want to try that, or you can manually transcode |
| [18:44:00] | jhoke: | Transcode then nuvexport right? |
| [18:45:00] | jhoke: | just trying to carefully remove my head from my arse ... it can hurt if not done properly |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | if you are going to use nuvexport, there's no need to transcode within myth |
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| [18:46:00] | jhoke: | to remove the commericals tho no? |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | nuvexport does that if you setup a cutlist |
| [18:47:00] | jhoke: | Ok, but I ahve to do that on a seperate box as nuvexport-mpeg2cut wont run on FC3 or 4 |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, or one of you guys can fix LVE to compile with GCC4 |
| [18:47:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:50:00] | paulweb515: | Beirdo: LVE is in C++? |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | either C or C++ can't remember |
| [18:50:00] | jhoke: | Ok, back to the drawing boards... |
| [18:51:00] | ** jhoke is away: Reading Documentation... eek! ** | |
| [18:51:00] | paulweb515: | Found it: http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/ |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | that's the one |
| [18:53:00] | LedHed: | anyone here using a Motorola DCT-6000? |
| [18:53:00] | LedHed: | DTC-6200 |
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| [18:58:00] | sphing: | does lirc work with a 2.6 kernel/ |
| [18:59:00] | LedHed: | yup |
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| [19:00:00] | PatrickDK: | I hope so, cause I am using it |
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| [19:14:00] | laga: | xris: well, the transcoding is at 411%. nuvexport says it's running with 36fps. and this job has been running for more than two days now, transcoding to xvid on a 2.4ghz machine |
| [19:16:00] | xris: | hahahah.. something's broken, then |
| [19:17:00] | laga: | xris: i guess i'll just let it running another 2 days. ;) |
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| [19:18:00] | paulweb515: | I know when I selected the wrong options, one time it took 1.5 days to transcode a 1/2 hour MPEG-2 file down (1.1Gig) down to a 600Meg file :-) |
| [19:19:00] | xris: | paulweb515: ouch. usually takes me about 4.5 hours to do a multipass xvid |
| [19:20:00] | onetwo: | hi, I have a problem with mythmusic on xebian on xbox. I have successfully played a music cd from within xmms, but mythmusic is not recognising the cd. Any thoughts gratefully received. I see that someone else has asked this in the past but without any answers |
| [19:20:00] | paulweb515: | I don't know what I select wrong ... it was still good quality in the end, an MPEG2 from PVR-250 to an xvid AVI |
| [19:21:00] | paulweb515: | I bet you I suggested ridiculous bit rates or something |
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| [19:22:00] | onetwo: | xmms required me to change the audio extraction method from analog to digital, is this the problem? |
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| [20:34:00] | nuonguy: | Beirdo, you still there? |
| [20:35:00] | nuonguy: | I found this in FC4: compat-gcc-32 for which the description reads: "This package includes a GCC 3.2.3-RH compatibility compiler." |
| [20:35:00] | nuonguy: | So, which project wouldn't compile under FC4? klvemdvd? lvemux? |
| [20:35:00] | nuonguy: | I want to try it with this thing... |
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| [21:00:00] | jonK: | ssh jon@sparqy.com |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | sm1ths0n14n |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | ha! |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | exit |
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| [21:02:00] | lcase: | i try to use vld but configure seems to find not the installed vld files |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | hahahahahaahahhaah |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | he killed sshd on that box :) |
| [21:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Did he really do that, or was it a joke? |
| [21:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, haha. |
| [21:02:00] | sandos: | ;) |
| [21:02:00] | Krazylegz: | He was logged. :-) |
| [21:02:00] | lcase: | but i have /usr/X11R6/lib/Server/include/vldXvMC.h |
| [21:03:00] | lcase: | and /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/vldXvMC.h |
| [21:03:00] | lcase: | somebody an idea? |
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| [21:45:00] | simon_: | hi, i am trying to set up mythtv on gentoo using a terratec cinergy 1200 dvb-c card.. the card works fine with kaffeine so it is installed properly an works |
| [21:45:00] | simon_: | i tried reading some howtos but i cant manage to get channels tuned |
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| [21:46:00] | simon_: | 2005-09–06 21:20:03.641 DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK! is what the terminal gives when mythtv stops the scan attempt (i set some frequency/s-rate, was that right?) |
| [21:47:00] | simon_: | what could it be which i am obviously doing wrong? ;) |
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| [21:57:00] | reel: | My mythweb no longer works but it used to :( |
| [21:57:00] | reel: | Warning at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 102: |
| [21:57:00] | reel: | fsockopen(): unable to connect to 192.168.0.6:6543 |
| [21:57:00] | Krazylegz: | Is the backend running |
| [21:57:00] | Krazylegz: | ? |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | doesn't look like it |
| [21:58:00] | reel: | yeah |
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| [21:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo: Go back on vacation. Take your bot with you. :-P |
| [21:58:00] | reel: | it works just fine if i sit at the frontend |
| [21:58:00] | ** Beirdo slaps Krazylegz with a large trout ** | |
| [21:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Is your backend running on that IP address? |
| [21:58:00] | reel: | yeah |
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| [21:58:00] | Krazylegz: | Did you upgrade PHP? |
| [21:59:00] | reel: | someone else posted a thread to the mailing list about a month ago but the reply to him was not useful |
| [21:59:00] | reel: | I usually run the apt updates so it is possible |
| [21:59:00] | nuonguy: | Beirdo: can you remind me what it is that won't build under FC4 due to gcc4 incompatibility? |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | lve, I think it was |
| [22:00:00] | nuonguy: | (I'm at work, and I'd like to try it with the machines we have here...) |
| [22:00:00] | nuonguy: | All of the lve projects? |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [22:00:00] | reel: | php 4.3.11 built aug 25 2005 so apparently it is fairly recent. more recent than when this started happening |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | lvemux is the part people want |
| [22:01:00] | nuonguy: | Looks like lvemux doesn't see many releases; the last one on sourceforge is 2004-03–22 |
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| [22:03:00] | nuonguy: | Easy: lvemux is a very simple project with a trivially simple Makefile and in my FC4 install, all I had to do was change 'gcc' to 'gcc32' and builds in less than 10 seconds |
| [22:04:00] | nuonguy: | Background: FC4 installs an older gcc for compatibility reasons |
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| [22:11:00] | simon_: | so no experienced dvb(-c) user in here who could tell me how tuning should work? |
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| [22:13:00] | nuonguy: | simon_: So, kaffeine can tune channels correctly? Is that what you meant up top? |
| [22:13:00] | nuonguy: | (My own myth setup doesn't work yet and I've never touched a dvb card of any kind...) |
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| [22:16:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: |
| [22:16:00] | Cardoe: | how does Fedora package xmltv? |
| [22:16:00] | simon_: | nuonguy, yep, it tuned about 30–50 channels correctly and also shows them |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | I don't do Fedora much anymore |
| [22:16:00] | simon_: | but i dont know how to get mythtv to tune as charming as kaffeine |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | atrpms.net would be the place to look though |
| [22:16:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: what do ya use? |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | my PVR uses FC1, but I compile myself from SVN |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | and my new boxes are ubuntu |
| [22:17:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: have you set up your yum repos yet? You should just be able to invoke 'sudo yum install xmltv' if you have |
| [22:17:00] | nuonguy: | Beirdo: what do you like about ubuntu? |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | it works |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:18:00] | Beirdo: | and it easily lets me trim down excess shit |
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| [22:19:00] | Cardoe: | nullman: whois on me |
| [22:19:00] | nuonguy: | Beirdo: what does ubuntu do about things like mp3 and codecs that are patent encumbered? |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | meh, I dunno |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | I don't use it for that crap |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | my machines are servers |
| [22:19:00] | nuonguy: | Just for mythtv? |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | my myth setup uses FC1 |
| [22:20:00] | nuonguy: | Oh right, You said that. :-! |
| [22:20:00] | nuonguy: | simon_: There's got to be some field that needs to be filled out differently in mythtv-setup... |
| [22:21:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: please.. setup my yum repos |
| [22:21:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: you have xmltv on ubuntu? |
| [22:21:00] | Beirdo: | no clue |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | You dunno if you've got it installed. |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, I'm not at home, and not logged into home right now :) |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | alright |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | it's cool |
| [22:22:00] | simon_: | nuonguy, i ran through the setup several times but i seem to miss something... |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | how ya been? |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | on vacation :) |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: not gonna setup my yum repos for me? |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I'm jealous. |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | got back Saturday |
| [22:22:00] | simon_: | it correctly shows the type of my dvb-c card and anything... |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | spent a week with the woman |
| [22:22:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: didn't vacation to New Orleans did ya? |
| [22:22:00] | simon_: | maybe some special settings for austrian cable providers or sth... i dont know.. |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | heh, no |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | Puerto Rico |
| [22:23:00] | Cardoe: | officer... I got serperated... No Idea where she went! |
| [22:23:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: you use Fedora 4? |
| [22:23:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:23:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [22:23:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: whois me for god sakes |
| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | beavis, I heard you had a grand time :) |
| [22:23:00] | Cardoe: | for the 2nd time |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe is NOT a FC lover |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I assume you meant me :) |
| [22:24:00] | Cardoe: | That's an affirmative. |
| [22:24:00] | nuonguy: | Cardoe: I don't know what that means |
| [22:24:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: type into IRC... /whois Cardoe |
| [22:24:00] | Beirdo: | nuonguy: do /whois Cardoe |
| [22:24:00] | Cardoe: | and look at the result. |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, yeah, you should change your nick to Baaaaaaaaaaaaaairdo :P |
| [22:24:00] | laga: | nuonguy: well, who is he? |
| [22:24:00] | ** Beirdo belches ** | |
| [22:25:00] | Cardoe: | It's not that I don't like FC |
| [22:25:00] | Cardoe: | It's more like I hate Redhat's Microsoft tactics with regard to Linux. |
| [22:25:00] | Cardoe: | We are Redhat. Conform to us. |
| [22:25:00] | nuonguy: | I really don't understand what your on about... |
| [22:26:00] | Cardoe: | Look you just contradicted your own documentation and own source code and standard practices in this software app for the last 2 years. |
| [22:26:00] | nuonguy: | And if you're some gentoo developer god, I'm sorry for talking down to you |
| [22:26:00] | Cardoe: | Redhat: "Doesn't matter. Conform to our bugs." |
| [22:26:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: no. |
| [22:26:00] | laga: | Cardoe: the mplayer guys loved gcc 2.9.6 ;) |
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| [22:26:00] | nuonguy: | I was in here over the weekend wakling some newb gentoo guy through setting up fstab and he was getting wacked up ideas from #gentoo |
| [22:26:00] | Cardoe: | laga: exactly. |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | which is why I don't go to #gentoo anymore. |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | because when you go in there |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | you bleed IQ points. |
| [22:27:00] | laga: | 'OMFG i'm going so fast' |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | it gets sucked right out of your ear. |
| [22:27:00] | Beirdo: | or your arse |
| [22:27:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: or there too |
| [22:28:00] | Cardoe: | A couple of us actually wrote a patch that would make gcc accept "-fomfg-fast" as a valid CFLAG |
| [22:28:00] | nuonguy: | Well, I'm glad we had this little chat... |
| [22:28:00] | Cardoe: | And we wanted Gentoo's to use it. |
| [22:28:00] | Cardoe: | that way we could see how many people used it by searching the bug reports. |
| [22:29:00] | Cardoe: | nuonguy: now we know each other. :) |
| [22:29:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I'm just thinking about repackaging xmltv in Gentoo |
| [22:29:00] | Cardoe: | and trying to come up with ideas. |
| [22:29:00] | Cardoe: | So if any of you guys have ideas on how to make it better. |
| [22:29:00] | laga: | Cardoe: umm |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | rm -rf xmltv :) |
| [22:30:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:30:00] | laga: | Cardoe: do you know if tv_grab_de_tvtoday in the gentoo ebuild? |
| [22:30:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: that would make me happy. |
| [22:30:00] | Cardoe: | laga: no clue |
| [22:30:00] | roger55: | laga, it is. |
| [22:30:00] | laga: | roger55: great, thanks |
| [22:30:00] | Cardoe: | I'd be more then happy if someone else took over that ebuild. |
| [22:31:00] | Cardoe: | but everytime I suggest it |
| [22:31:00] | Cardoe: | they just assign another 40 bugs to me. |
| [22:31:00] | Cardoe: | btw... This needed to be shared. |
| [22:31:00] | Cardoe: | http://content.ytmnd.com//140000/140430/image.jpg |
| [22:32:00] | laga: | omfg. |
| [22:32:00] | roger55: | laga, I'm not sure it works, I think I had to get a newer script somewhere and edit it. I can take a look if you need it. |
| [22:32:00] | naitram: | *winces* |
| [22:32:00] | Cardoe: | roger55: well 1 idea is to use a virtual |
| [22:32:00] | Cardoe: | and each grabber be a seperate ebuild |
| [22:32:00] | Cardoe: | with an eclass behind it all |
| [22:32:00] | Cardoe: | another is USE flag the entire thing |
| [22:32:00] | Cardoe: | but it was INSANE amounts of USE flags. |
| [22:33:00] | laga: | roger55: well, it broke a few weeks ago and someone posted a fixed .in file of the grabber on their ML. |
| [22:33:00] | roger55: | laga, right. I found that one |
| [22:33:00] | laga: | roger55: perfect ;) |
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| [22:33:00] | Cardoe: | laga: roger55: any chance you guys can help maintain xmltv? |
| [22:33:00] | laga: | roger55: do you use this grabber? |
| [22:34:00] | roger55: | Cardoe, not really, I'm no ebuild guy :( |
| [22:34:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, how'd the picture get there if he has no camera to take pictures? |
| [22:34:00] | laga: | Cardoe: i'm sorry, i've got a lot of other work going own – and i don't even use xmltv on my gentoo boxes |
| [22:34:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: was wondering the same. |
| [22:34:00] | ** kormoc smells a rat. ** | |
| [22:34:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: still funny if you think about it in principle. |
| [22:34:00] | roger55: | laga, yes. beware I just started using mythtv and am still making baby steps into the goodness :) |
| [22:34:00] | kormoc: | yeah :) |
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| [22:35:00] | laga: | roger55: oh, ok – you didn't fix the official ebuild |
| [22:35:00] | laga: | i wonder if someone has filed a bug report. but i'm too tired now to check it |
| [22:35:00] | laga: | roger55: you're german then, right? |
| [22:35:00] | roger55: | laga, austrian. |
| [22:36:00] | laga: | roger55: works for me. did you discover www.mythwiki.de as your favourite ressource yet? ;) |
| [22:36:00] | Cardoe: | roger55: are you a doc guy? |
| [22:36:00] | roger55: | laga, with a weirdo cable provider so I had to edit the channel list.. |
| [22:36:00] | roger55: | Cardoe, no, -releng I usually test the livecds and stuff. |
| [22:36:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [22:36:00] | laga: | sounds like fun |
| [22:36:00] | Cardoe: | got ya |
| [22:37:00] | Cardoe: | alright. I'll be back |
| [22:37:00] | roger55: | laga, not yet :) |
| [22:37:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?thr . . . pagenumber=1 |
| [22:37:00] | laga: | roger55: hehe. and feel free #mythtv-de |
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| [22:39:00] | roger55: | laga, I need an external psu for my epia, do you know of a cheap source other than ebay? |
| [22:39:00] | laga: | roger55: www.geizhals.at ? |
| [22:39:00] | roger55: | laga, I currently have a via serenety case that sounds like an airplane. |
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| [22:40:00] | roger55: | laga, no. they only have 2 cases. I want just the power supply. |
| [22:40:00] | roger55: | 50 euros for a 60watts sounds expensive to me. |
| [22:41:00] | laga: | roger55: does it look like it a black brick? |
| [22:41:00] | roger55: | laga, should, yes. |
| [22:41:00] | roger55: | laga, and an internal converter board thingie |
| [22:41:00] | laga: | roger55: i wonder if a 'normal' laptop power supply would work |
| [22:42:00] | roger55: | laga, I'd still need the converter board |
| [22:42:00] | roger55: | I have a epia m10000 |
| [22:44:00] | laga: | roger55: i'd suggest a dremel and some quieter fans. |
| [22:45:00] | roger55: | laga, I don't want *any* fan, that's why I need that black brick. :) |
| [22:45:00] | laga: | uh, ok |
| [22:46:00] | laga: | roger55: there are some special retailers for epia stuff. don't know anything specific, sorry. we could talk about it again tomorrow... |
| [22:48:00] | roger55: | thanks. |
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| [23:00:00] | sphing: | roger55: the m10k has a fan |
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| [23:01:00] | roger55: | sphing, I'm aware of that. |
| [23:01:00] | banyan: | Just wanted to check up on whether there are people who've painlessly migrated to FC4 from FC3 while running mythtv. |
| [23:01:00] | sphing: | roger55: i'm confused what you are trying to do ( i ask cause i have a 10k that i just moved into my room, which is much louder than I remember) |
| [23:01:00] | roger55: | sphing, first want to get rid of the powersupply fan then the cpu fan. |
| [23:02:00] | roger55: | sphing, make/adapt a heatpipe |
| [23:02:00] | ** banyan has been waiting on doing the upgrade from FC3 to FC4 until some braver souls got it to work with Myth. ** | |
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| [23:02:00] | LasseL: | sphing, just get longer cables, it is chaper :) |
| [23:02:00] | sphing: | roger55: honestly its not worth the trouble |
| [23:02:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [23:02:00] | Cardoe: | been meaning to ask you guys |
| [23:03:00] | Cardoe: | Genesi gave me a PPC board |
| [23:03:00] | Cardoe: | it's micro-ATX |
| [23:03:00] | roger55: | sphing, you mean the cpufan alone is too loud? |
| [23:03:00] | Cardoe: | not ITX |
| [23:03:00] | Cardoe: | Know of any good cases? |
| [23:03:00] | Cardoe: | for the living room |
| [23:03:00] | sphing: | roger55: I think its the power supply |
| [23:04:00] | roger55: | sphing, in my case the powersupply alone is much louder than my athlonxp. |
| [23:04:00] | sphing: | sorry not off the top of my head |
| [23:04:00] | roger55: | Cardoe, there's a travla case that looks nice. side loading slim drive |
| [23:04:00] | sphing: | roger55: i think i'm just going to have to deal with it.. .much rather spend the money on another tuner than make my case quieter |
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| [23:06:00] | Cardoe: | roger55: know any URLs? |
| [23:06:00] | roger55: | Cardoe, moment |
| [23:08:00] | roger55: | http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=947 is the one I meant. |
| [23:08:00] | roger55: | but I think you need another one for micro-atx |
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| [23:10:00] | roger55: | Cardoe, I might be wrong all along, looks like they are all mini-itx |
| [23:10:00] | Cardoe: | :( |
| [23:10:00] | Cardoe: | the board is nearly mini-itx |
| [23:10:00] | Cardoe: | mini is what 13cm by 13cm? |
| [23:10:00] | Cardoe: | It's 15cm by 13cm |
| [23:11:00] | Cardoe: | I basically need a case for the living room |
| [23:11:00] | Chutt: | i've got an aria out in my living room |
| [23:11:00] | ** Cardoe googles aria. ** | |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | antec |
| [23:12:00] | Cardoe: | k |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15130 |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | there it is |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | i run it without the extra-bright annoying blue lights, though |
| [23:12:00] | Cardoe: | I can have whatever ghetto parts I want in my room |
| [23:13:00] | Cardoe: | but as soon as I bring anything out in the living room |
| [23:13:00] | Cardoe: | the woman of the house will kill me |
| [23:15:00] | Cardoe: | looks good |
| [23:16:00] | Chutt: | been pondering replacing the aria case with their overture 2 |
| [23:16:00] | Chutt: | since the aria doesn't really stack well |
| [23:17:00] | Cardoe: | yeah that's the only downside to it I see |
| [23:17:00] | laga: | i like their menuett |
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| [23:17:00] | Cardoe: | I'll have to put the Xbox on top of it |
| [23:17:00] | Chutt: | the minuet only has half height pci slots |
| [23:17:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [23:17:00] | Chutt: | well, i've got a gamecube on top of my aria |
| [23:17:00] | Cardoe: | that might work for me |
| [23:17:00] | Cardoe: | I have the low profile 150 for that box |
| [23:17:00] | laga: | Chutt: yuck. didn't know that. thanks for clarifying ;) |
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| [23:18:00] | Cardoe: | what was that site for components? |
| [23:19:00] | laga: | .oO(...low profile pvr 150 + my low profile gf4 might work, though..) |
| [23:19:00] | Chutt: | newegg? |
| [23:19:00] | Cardoe: | no. For PVR stuff |
| [23:19:00] | Cardoe: | didn't they have a lot of cases |
| [23:19:00] | Chutt: | oh, who knows =) |
| [23:20:00] | Cardoe: | They were selling the pvr-250 cheap! |
| [23:20:00] | Cardoe: | right when the 150s were coming out |
| [23:20:00] | Cardoe: | they sell remotes too |
| [23:20:00] | LedHed: | silverstone makes some nice HTPC cases.. But they are a bit $$$ |
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| [23:22:00] | Nutssh: | Chutt: What does that mean? |
| [23:22:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.pegasosppc.com/pegasos.php |
| [23:22:00] | Cardoe: | that's what they gave me |
| [23:22:00] | Cardoe: | the G4 version |
| [23:22:00] | Cardoe: | they wanna know what I'm doing with it. |
| [23:23:00] | Cardoe: | I told them I was broke and couldn't afford a HD, case, RAM, etc. |
| [23:23:00] | Cardoe: | So they told me to pick some stuff out and they'd cover half. |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [23:24:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.epiacenter.com/bilder/reviews/rebach/024.jpg |
| [23:24:00] | Cardoe: | That's sexy |
| [23:24:00] | Cardoe: | But 350 pounds |
| [23:24:00] | Chutt: | i don't see the point of big displays on htpcs |
| [23:25:00] | Nutssh: | Chutt, can you explain what you said. I thought rtjpeg was a lot faster than mpeg4. Its not? |
| [23:26:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: no idea what to use it for... but eh. the case would look nice in a living room |
| [23:26:00] | banyan: | Anyone in here running mythtv on FC4? |
| [23:27:00] | Cardoe: | Wish I had a EPIA board |
| [23:27:00] | Chutt: | no you don't |
| [23:27:00] | Chutt: | nutssh, it's a little faster, but mpeg4's fast enough on most modern cpus |
| [23:27:00] | Chutt: | and mpeg4's a lot smaller. |
| [23:27:00] | maniacxs: | Hi, when szap and xine is working, mythtv should too is this right? |
| [23:28:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: why not? |
| [23:28:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: what do you have? |
| [23:28:00] | Chutt: | because epia boards are realllly slow |
| [23:28:00] | Chutt: | i've got an m10000 that doesn't see any use anymore |
| [23:28:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.pcalchemy.com/ |
| [23:28:00] | Cardoe: | That's what I have |
| [23:28:00] | Cardoe: | er meant |
| [23:28:00] | Nutssh: | Nice to know. Thank you, I will test. |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | coincidentally in that case that roger55 pasted earlier (the travla) |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | but it's too slow to do anything useful on |
| [23:29:00] | Cardoe: | ah |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | i have a xp-m 2300+ in my aria case |
| [23:29:00] | Cardoe: | wow. That site has 1 case under $120 |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | underclocked down a bit |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | it's about 6 times faster than the epia-m box, and twice as quiet |
| [23:30:00] | Cardoe: | the case under $120 is an Extended ATX case |
| [23:30:00] | banyan: | OK, I see that Jarod Wilson has updated his guide for FC4. Brilliant... now, what is the actual experience of upgrading from FC3 to FC4 like? Much pain? Not much pain? Painless? |
| [23:30:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: how would an Xbox fit on the Aria? |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | i've never seen an xbox up close |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | so i dunno |
| [23:31:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [23:31:00] | Cardoe: | 13" across |
| [23:31:00] | Cardoe: | 9.5" deep |
| [23:31:00] | Cardoe: | is the Xbox |
| [23:32:00] | Cardoe: | and I have 8" of height |
| [23:32:00] | Cardoe: | looks like it'd just fit |
| [23:32:00] | Cardoe: | 10.6" x 7.9" x 13.2" (WxHxD) |
| [23:32:00] | LedHed: | banyan, I'm running FC4 |
| [23:34:00] | o_cee: | wich is the fastest of those fanless vias? |
| [23:35:00] | LedHed: | banyan, I wouldnt upgrade, start from scratch. it'll go smoother.... |
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| [23:36:00] | LedHed: | o_cee, I think there is a 1ghz fanless out.... |
| [23:37:00] | LedHed: | ya, its the MS10000 |
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| [23:38:00] | o_cee: | hmm, one of those and a couple of 150's maybe would work for my parents |
| [23:38:00] | LedHed: | only 1 PCI slot |
| [23:39:00] | o_cee: | bleh, seperate backend then. no good |
| [23:39:00] | LedHed: | I dont think it does TV out either... |
| [23:39:00] | roger55: | Chutt, you have that travla 150 case? |
| [23:39:00] | roger55: | er c-158? |
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| [23:45:00] | nuonguy: | banyan, I've upgraded twice from FC3 to FC4 and I had no problems, but I'm not running myth (yet) |
| [23:46:00] | nuonguy: | banyan: Forgot: I had one issue: Juk didn't work after the upgrade; it just crashed |
| [23:46:00] | nuonguy: | Eventually I did a clean install anyway |
| [23:48:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [23:51:00] | roger55: | Chutt, how do you like it? |
| [23:51:00] | Chutt: | it's pretty crappy. |
| [23:51:00] | roger55: | Chutt, would it be possible to put 2 pci cards in there? |
| [23:52:00] | roger55: | Chutt, why crappy? |
| [23:52:00] | Chutt: | absolutely no room for stuff |
| [23:52:00] | Chutt: | like, say, cables to the drive |
| [23:53:00] | roger55: | you don't have a pic of the inside do you? |
| [23:53:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [23:54:00] | roger55: | even with rounded cables, no space? |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | even with rounded cables |
| [23:55:00] | roger55: | :( |
| [23:55:00] | banyan: | nuonguy — juk is the cd player app? |
| [23:55:00] | roger55: | what do you have in there? slimline, 3,5" hd and a pci card? |
| [23:55:00] | banyan: | (personally I don't use that...) |
| [23:56:00] | Chutt: | slimline, no hd, pvr-350, their card reader thingie |
| [23:57:00] | banyan: | One would presume that removing and installing juk or some of its dependencies might have fixed that issue... |
| [23:58:00] | roger55: | Chutt, is the cardreader supported in linux? |
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| [23:59:00] | Chutt: | dunno |
| [23:59:00] | banyan: | unless there are dependencies in the juk package that aren't properly marked as such. |
| [23:59:00] | Chutt: | never used it |
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