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Monday, August 29th, 2005, 00:03 UTC
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[00:15:00] abarbaccia: hey guys
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: myth box just went wireless in my house at college – damn am i so cool
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[00:23:00] Mrgoose2: hello
[00:23:00] k-man: hello
[00:24:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – do you ever get NO DATA from zap2it
[00:28:00] bomba: yes
[00:29:00] bomba: around 10pm some days
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[00:29:00] abarbaccia: hurm – im getting a lot of them
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: odd
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: but better question
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: i want it to record family guy
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: like every episode that ever goes on
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: so is that "Record one showing of this title"
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[00:30:00] abarbaccia: nevermind
[00:31:00] abarbaccia: that was me being stupid
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[00:51:00] Mrgoose2: Beirdo_
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[01:26:00] MrSpiffy: yo
[01:26:00] Krazylegz: Yo.
[01:26:00] MrSpiffy: yep
[01:26:00] Krazylegz: Yep.
[01:27:00] MrSpiffy: question: which do you prefer with mythtv mplayer or xine
[01:27:00] xris: MrSpiffy: you mean mythvideo?
[01:27:00] xris: I just use the internal player.
[01:28:00] MrSpiffy: for playing video or dvd
[01:28:00] MrSpiffy: not recorded tv
[01:28:00] Krazylegz: I use mplayer.
[01:29:00] xris: MrSpiffy: mythtv can do videos (likely not dvd) with its internal player.
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[01:29:00] xris: or maybe that's just svn, not .18
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[01:29:00] Mrgoose2: Beirdo_
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[01:30:00] Krazylegz: I didn't have the best results with the internal player for recorded video.
[01:30:00] xris: Mrgoose2: he's out of the country for 2 weeks
[01:30:00] MrSpiffy: xris – I'd like to try that. my playback settings are for mplayer now. what do I change to use the internal video player? (mpst of my vids are in xvid/mpeg4
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[01:32:00] Krazylegz: xris: He's only out of his own country. He's probably in another one. :-)
[01:32:00] xris: MrSpiffy: no clue, I don't use mythvideo. I just know that you can do it.
[01:32:00] xris: Krazylegz: actually, he's not.
[01:32:00] xris: he's in puerto rico... not a country.
[01:32:00] Krazylegz: MrSpiffy: Replace your mplayer line in the setup with "internal" (without the quotes).
[01:32:00] Krazylegz: Ah, a territory. Good thing I said 'probably'.
[01:32:00] xris: heh
[01:33:00] Krazylegz: He might like that DonQ rum. I do.
[01:33:00] lane: MrSpiffy: I use xine for mythvideo
[01:33:00] lane: It does dvd menus, which mplayer doesn't
[01:34:00] xris: Krazylegz: he lives in canada. can get real cuban rum, the lucky bastard.
[01:34:00] Krazylegz: Ah, nice.
[01:34:00] Krazylegz: I need to go back to Canada.
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[01:44:00] SqWaw: With the WinTV 500 (dual tuner), I can recored two shows @ the same time AND watch live tv still?
[01:44:00] SqWaw: or just record 1 show, and watch live tv?
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[01:44:00] Surye: On a mythtv box, how important would a premptable kernel be?
[01:45:00] Baylink: Surye: probably not real much, particularly if you have hardware tuners
[01:47:00] MrSpiffy: this is cool – just figured out how to copy 1 hosts' settings to another
[01:48:00] MrSpiffy: lane, are you hitting that xine mouse focus problem with xine?
[01:49:00] MrSpiffy: SqWaw, with 2 tuners you can wat 1/ record 1 or record 2 or watch 2
[01:49:00] MrSpiffy: not 3 :)
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[01:52:00] lane: MrSpiffy: yes and no
[01:52:00] MrSpiffy: ok..
[01:52:00] lane: on fc2 I do, on fc4 I don't
[01:52:00] lane: I think that the xine ppl have fixed the bug
[01:53:00] lane: and if you get a new enough version of xine you won't have the problem
[01:56:00] MrSpiffy: cool
[01:56:00] MrSpiffy: I'll try compiling a new version
[01:56:00] MrSpiffy: I'd like to use the xvmc support also
[01:56:00] MrSpiffy: thanks and later
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[02:12:00] Baylink: Upgrading to .18.1 tonight; wish me luck.  :-)
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[02:17:00] swim: hi
[02:17:00] Krazylegz: Hola.
[02:18:00] swim: if im running backend and frontend on the same machine, what has to be set to what? I dont think ive got it right
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[02:21:00] klk: anyone using a GeForce4 MX 440 with the 7667 drivers?
[02:21:00] swim: i mean can it just be 127.0.0.1 ? or does that need to be reserved for my pc itself?
[02:21:00] klk: if they are on the same machine then that should be fine
[02:22:00] swim: klk so everything can just be 127.0.0.1 ? :)
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[02:22:00] klk: swim: That should work
[02:23:00] swim: hmm i thought everything was, and tried to set automatically run mythtfilldatabase but responed something about the front end not being connected
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[02:24:00] klk: did you look through the logs?
[02:24:00] Krazylegz: If you restarted the backend, you should restart the frontend afterwards.
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[02:28:00] klk: When I go to the watch recordings screen, X uses 90+%cpu and everything freezes
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: klk: does it actually draw the whole screen? Or just part of it and "freeze" ?
[02:30:00] klk: just part
[02:30:00] klk: it doesn't actually get any of the recording listings on the screen
[02:30:00] GreyFoxx: Nvidia card?
[02:30:00] klk: yes
[02:31:00] GreyFoxx: What version of the driver?
[02:31:00] klk: GeForce4 MX440
[02:31:00] klk: 7667
[02:31:00] klk: I just upgraded a bunch of stuff on my box
[02:31:00] GreyFoxx: sound like exactly the problem I was having. It didn't happen with 6629 or lbelow, but every version since did the same thing
[02:31:00] klk: Great
[02:31:00] GreyFoxx: I had to set a coupld values in my x config to get around it
[02:31:00] klk: It seems to coincide with a "NVRM: Xid: blah blah" in /var/log/messages
[02:31:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: same here
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: hold on
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[02:32:00] Ediehow: hi friends
[02:32:00] klk: hola
[02:32:00] Ediehow: i have a problem that has come back up after a long time. if there's a connection between coax on wall and tv card, their is horizontal shaking on monitor display
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: Place these in your x config in the section where you define the card/driver and all
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: Option "RenderAccel" "Off"
[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "Off"
[02:32:00] Ediehow: even without tv app being on
[02:32:00] Ediehow: but if i disconnect from wall, it stops
[02:32:00] Ediehow: some kind of grounding something?
[02:33:00] klk: GreyFoxx: trying it now...
[02:34:00] klk: GreyFoxx: That did it. Thanks!
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: Np
[02:37:00] Ediehow: any ideas?
[02:37:00] swim: hrmm trying to compile ivtv and am getting this: http://pastebin.ca/index.php
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: swim: That's not a link to what you pasted :)
[02:38:00] swim: http://pastebin.ca/21455
[02:38:00] swim: sorry :\
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[02:40:00] GreyFoxx: Do you have the Linux kernel source installed? That file is located in there
[02:40:00] Baylink: Anyone know what an error 255 compiling libmyth means?
[02:41:00] swim: GreyFoxx, yes I do
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[03:27:00] kjp: ok. so I created a symlink in the video subdirectory. What else do I need to do in order to view my externally created video files?
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[03:30:00] Agrajag-: kjp: go to the video manager, it should find them
[03:30:00] kjp: Agrajag-: yeah... it doesn't
[03:30:00] kjp: just says video/
[03:34:00] kjp: any ideas
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[03:54:00] GreyFoxx: 1
[03:55:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Looks like the tuner module on my WinTV Go has a US stereo decoder even though its supposed to be for japanese market ><
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[04:01:00] FUD: stereo sound in japan is different from stereo sound in usa?
[04:01:00] ip_goat_rodeo: yes
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[04:01:00] ip_goat_rodeo: japanese has no SAP – they split the stereo channels into dual hifi-mono for bilingual broadcast
[04:01:00] PatrickDK: they are at different mhz offsets
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[04:03:00] ip_goat_rodeo: and there's some kind of control channel for them somehow, because sets seem to know whether they're in standard stereo or dual-mono
[04:04:00] armbothism: G'day... I've just compiled Mythtv from source debs on an AMD64 system running debain unstable... everything is workgin great except for one small detail.... DVB support wasn't compiled in for some reason... i double checked --enable-dvb was there and i have the relvent stuff in /usr/include
[04:04:00] armbothism: what could i have missed?
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[04:07:00] armbothism: what do i need to compile support for dvb under mythtv?
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[04:17:00] Krazylegz: Hmm, I still can't figure out why I don't get sound when I first start watching a recording or LiveTV.
[04:17:00] Krazylegz: All I have to do is pause and then unpause, or change channels. Very minor annoyance, but I'm wondering why it's happening.
[04:19:00] PatrickDK: heh, I get the same thing
[04:19:00] PatrickDK: but no video
[04:19:00] Krazylegz: Does it fix itself when you change channels or pause and then unpause?
[04:20:00] PatrickDK: ya
[04:20:00] PatrickDK: I normally just press menu, cancel
[04:20:00] Krazylegz: Weird.
[04:20:00] Krazylegz: I'm suspecting the internal player.
[04:28:00] kjp: #macosX
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[04:31:00] Flimzy: I've set MythTV to auto transcode after recording. However, after doing that, I cannot jump forward or back through the mpeg4 stream. I'm using Mythtv 0.18.1. Is this a known problem? How can it be resolved?
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[04:35:00] PatrickDK: sounds like you need to run commercial tagging job
[04:35:00] PatrickDK: it will index the video file
[04:35:00] Flimzy: it does that automatically, too
[04:35:00] PatrickDK: after, or before?
[04:36:00] Flimzy: In fact, I noticed the problem when it tried to skip a commercial
[04:36:00] Flimzy: and froze
[04:36:00] Flimzy: before or after transcode? I don't know.
[04:36:00] PatrickDK: try to see if you can get it to do it after
[04:36:00] Flimzy: I'll check
[04:36:00] Flimzy: okay
[04:38:00] Flimzy: BTW... if I leave 'Resize Video while transcoding' unselected, does that mean it will mantain the original resolution, ignoring the resolution setting in the transcode profile?
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[04:38:00] PatrickDK: I suppose, but wouldn't know, I don't transcode
[04:38:00] Flimzy: you encode directly to mpeg4?
[04:39:00] PatrickDK: no, mpeg2
[04:39:00] PatrickDK: 4mbit
[04:39:00] Flimzy: Well I don't see how to tell it to run commercial auto flagging after the transcode
[04:40:00] Krazylegz: Mine are fine even if I do the commflagging before the transcoding.
[04:40:00] PatrickDK: I know you can, there is alot of talk about it on the websites/maillists
[04:40:00] Flimzy: I have 'default auto commercial flagging setting' set
[04:41:00] Flimzy: I read on google somewhere of a proglem with Mythtv 0.17 not creating keyframes in the mpeg4 output... but don't know if that's been resolved.
[04:41:00] Flimzy: The fact that I only see it mentioned in one article suggests to me that it's not a terribly widespread problem
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[04:47:00] armbothism: Is anyone using AMD64 Debian unstable with Mythtv?
[04:52:00] Flimzy: Has anyone else here had problems seeking through an mpeg4 file (transcoded from RTJpeg) in MythTV 0.18.1?
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[04:57:00] kjp: I can see files in the play video section, but I can't actually play them. Normal .mpg files and when I click on them, a screen shows with just a iconic box on the left and some details of the file on the right. how do I play them?
[05:00:00] Krazylegz: kjp: Press "enter" again.
[05:01:00] kjp: doesn't do anything
[05:01:00] kjp: i see the screen flash, then it goes back.
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[05:06:00] Krazylegz: Hmm. Did you check permissions?
[05:07:00] kjp: Krazylegz: what do they need to be?
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[05:23:00] Krazylegz: kjp: They should be readable by the mythtv user.
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[05:25:00] Krazylegz: Whoa. I have a 13G .nuv file that isn't recognized by Myth. That's probably not desirable programming...
[05:26:00] mchou: anyone know how to change the udf label on a DVD (RW)?
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[05:29:00] xris: mchou: don't you usually need to wipe those completely before changing anything?
[05:30:00] mchou: xris: heh, that's what I'm afraid of :)
[05:30:00] mchou: xris: but no, udf should be like a "big floppy"
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[05:31:00] xris: mchou: doesn't matter about the filesystem, though.. I don't think the *disks* can handle async writing.
[05:32:00] mchou: xris: huh??
[05:32:00] mchou: sure they can.
[05:32:00] xris: can append a new session, but not alter earlier-written data
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[05:33:00] mchou: you can "reclaim" deleted space in udf....
[05:34:00] Krazylegz: FITE!
[05:35:00] Baylink: Hey, xris: is there a mimetype problem in mythweb .18.1?
[05:35:00] Baylink: We just upgraded, and half our browsers are gobbledygooking.
[05:35:00] xris: Baylink: what kind of issue?
[05:35:00] Baylink: IE says it "can't download files of type .php"
[05:35:00] xris: mchou: I've never heard of any software that lets you do asynchronous writes to optical media.
[05:35:00] mchou: Baylink: no one ever told you about beta testing? :)
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[05:36:00] ** Baylink chuckles **
[05:36:00] Baylink: Hey, at least I knew thwt to *ask* about...
[05:36:00] xris: Baylink: not a mythweb issue.
[05:36:00] Baylink: Only thing in the apache/mythweb chain I touched.
[05:36:00] Baylink: Didn't change anything in apache...
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[06:11:00] syn4pse: I've been looking for a solution to diagonal,rippling lines on an otherwise clear picture on output from tv-out on a pvr-350 to no avail. Does anyone have a suggestion
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[06:37:00] SqWaw`: .
[06:37:00] FUD: pac-man is over there ---------------------------->
[06:37:00] SqWaw`: :) lol
[06:37:00] SqWaw`: < .
[06:38:00] ip_goat_rodeo: anyone have any experience with this case? http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc13.htm
[06:40:00] SqWaw`: no, except silverstone cases are VERY VERY nice
[06:40:00] SqWaw`: and pretty high quality too
[06:40:00] SqWaw`: i was looking @ that one infact, for my htpc
[06:41:00] ip_goat_rodeo: The wife can't fault me for machine looking out of place in living room with that case I think
[06:41:00] ip_goat_rodeo: and would give me a lot more flexability in choosing mobo/tuner/video than a SFF box
[06:42:00] SqWaw`: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811163044
[06:42:00] SqWaw`: 4 reviews on it ^
[06:42:00] SqWaw`: and the silver one has an additional 2 reviews
[06:43:00] ip_goat_rodeo: nothing that surprising in those – of course that case gonna be cramped when full
[06:43:00] SqWaw`: yea
[06:44:00] SqWaw`: if you scroll to the bottom of the link you posted
[06:44:00] SqWaw`: theres 6 reviews
[06:44:00] SqWaw`: they are a pretty good read, if you get one in english
[06:45:00] SqWaw`: otherwise, just some good pics :)
[06:45:00] ip_goat_rodeo: links from manufacturer's sites are not likely to be the most objective though
[06:45:00] SqWaw`: thats true
[06:45:00] SqWaw`: but so far, i havnt seen all that many complaints
[06:45:00] SqWaw`: other than space of course, and well... to be frank, you gotta deal with it
[06:46:00] ananke: dang, $100. ouch
[06:46:00] ip_goat_rodeo: and brushed aluminum cases are even sexier than black cases.
[06:46:00] SqWaw`: *dent*
[06:46:00] SqWaw`: hehe
[06:46:00] SqWaw`: yea
[06:47:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Looks like a shop I can visit on the way home has them in stock hehe
[06:48:00] ip_goat_rodeo: This project probably going to end up more expensive than I thought
[06:48:00] SqWaw`: im only spending around $650
[06:48:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Well, I'm building a new box from ground up
[06:48:00] Krazylegz: I think I got in around $500.
[06:49:00] ip_goat_rodeo: probably going to go over $1k
[06:49:00] SqWaw`: WOW
[06:49:00] SqWaw`: im spending $648+ some shipping
[06:49:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Athlon64 x2 3800+ CPU is the plan
[06:49:00] SqWaw`: i <3 newegg
[06:49:00] SqWaw`: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/ . . . Title=MYTHTV
[06:49:00] SqWaw`: jeez, with gentoo, my system can be superoptimized ^
[06:50:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Probably msi k8n neo2 platinum mobo
[06:51:00] SqWaw`: lol
[06:51:00] Krazylegz: I went with a Pundit-R to save some bucks.
[06:52:00] Krazylegz: I also like the nice small size.
[06:52:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Trying to get something AGP based to avoid PCI-express issues
[06:52:00] SqWaw`: most expensive thing in my system is the video card, the next most expensive thing is the hauppauge TV tuner :)
[06:52:00] ip_goat_rodeo: I'm actually not getting spendy on my video card
[06:52:00] Krazylegz: Why a CD-ROM instead of a DVD-ROM?
[06:52:00] SqWaw`: well i needed something with hdtv out
[06:53:00] Krazylegz: Might as well spend a few extra bucks and add the ability to play/rip DVDs?
[06:53:00] SqWaw`: I already have a dvd rom to throw in
[06:53:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Well, my system not practical for HDTV at present. No ISDB-T tuner cards that work with myth yet.
[06:53:00] SqWaw`: isdb-t?
[06:53:00] SqWaw`: (im new at this)
[06:54:00] ip_goat_rodeo: hdtv broadcast standard for japan and supposedly brazil
[06:54:00] SqWaw`: oh
[06:54:00] SqWaw`: why do you need that? your in japan
[06:54:00] ip_goat_rodeo: yes
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[06:54:00] SqWaw`: yea, lol i seegamera.gol.ad.jp
[06:55:00] Krazylegz: Why do you need the CD-ROM then?
[06:55:00] Krazylegz: Just filling bays?
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: I guess
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: i forgot why...
[06:55:00] Krazylegz: Haha. Well, you must have had a good reason at some point. :-)
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: ya know what, i wanan throw this dvdrom in my computer
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: seen any cheap ones on newegg?
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: im gonna put it in my box
[06:55:00] Krazylegz: Any cheap DVD-ROM drives?
[06:55:00] SqWaw`: yea
[06:55:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Just planning on buying cheapest nvidia card that has vga/dvi/svideo outs
[06:56:00] Krazylegz: No, but I haven't looked. I should, since my only DVD-ROM drive died.
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: ip_goat_rodeo: fx5200
[06:56:00] Krazylegz: Er, not my only one. I guess I have one on this laptop.
[06:56:00] ip_goat_rodeo: something like that
[06:57:00] Flimzy: I've noticed a lot of compression artifacts on still backgrounds... often very graphically dull ones (for instance, the star backdrops on Star Trek, etc). Material that is moving looks very good, though... Is this just a side effect of RTjpeg or something? Is there anything I can do to combat this?
[06:57:00] Agrajag-: mine works fine with those 3 things you just said
[06:57:00] SqWaw`: ROFL
[06:57:00] SqWaw`: $4 more and there is a DVD-ROM
[06:57:00] Agrajag-: Flimzy: higher bitrate
[06:57:00] SqWaw`: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827131410
[06:57:00] Flimzy: Agrajag-, for RTJpeg?
[06:58:00] Krazylegz: SqWaw: Thanks.
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: oh.. not sure, i dont use rtjpeg
[06:58:00] Flimzy: Agrajag-, I could set the RTjpeg quality higher...
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: well that'd be a good starting point
[06:58:00] Flimzy: But it would _seem_ that simple backgrounds would be the last thing to be effected by that
[06:58:00] Flimzy: I'd expect more noise around motion, etc
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[06:59:00] Krazylegz: SqWaw: This is the cheapest GB/$ drive I found on NewEgg, I think: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144391
[06:59:00] Agrajag-: well no, i believe that still stuff would be compressed more – so when there's a slight change – you lose that change
[06:59:00] SqWaw`: Krazylegz: eh? I was talking of DVD-ROM drives lol
[06:59:00] SqWaw`: but hey, i might throw that in there instead of what i have...
[07:00:00] Krazylegz: I know, but you also had that $86 hard drive.
[07:00:00] syn4pse: I've been looking for a solution to diagonal,rippling lines on an otherwise clear picture on output from tv-out on a pvr-350 to no avail. Does anyone have a suggestion
[07:00:00] SqWaw`: ah
[07:00:00] Flimzy: Agrajag-, So you're saying it makes sense for a simple background to be very grainy while foreground motion is clear?
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[07:01:00] SqWaw`: an extra 100gb for around $50
[07:01:00] Agrajag-: Flimzy: yeah
[07:01:00] sphery: SqWaw`: Might also want to check this one http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . m_keycode=85
[07:01:00] Krazylegz: SqWaw: An extra 100GB for $28?
[07:02:00] Flimzy: Agrajag-, alrighty... thanks
[07:02:00] sphery: SqWaw`: Only problem is the $100 rebate
[07:02:00] SqWaw`: eh?
[07:02:00] Agrajag-: Flimzy: so if you make the rtjpeg quality thing higher – i think you should probably lose those artifacts
[07:02:00] Agrajag-: bbl
[07:02:00] Flimzy: Agrajag-, I'll give it a shot. thanks
[07:03:00] SqWaw`: sphery: that looks decent
[07:03:00] SqWaw`: why is the rebate a problem
[07:03:00] SqWaw`: ?
[07:03:00] Krazylegz: They're hard to get sometimes.
[07:03:00] sphery: SqWaw`: Yeah--not a problem unless you don't get it.  :)
[07:04:00] Krazylegz: I had to fight with D-Link on my last one.
[07:04:00] sphery: So, if you're willing to take a risk, you might be able to save $40
[07:04:00] SqWaw`: oh yea, then its a problem :)
[07:04:00] SqWaw`: if i dont get it, you'd bet yer arse i'd be calling and raising hell :)
[07:04:00] SqWaw`: im cheap like that
[07:05:00] Krazylegz: They're generally better about rebates than they were years ago.
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[07:05:00] sphery: Yeah. Just be willing to call when they deny you. They almost always approve the rebate if you call.
[07:05:00] SqWaw`: why would they deny it?
[07:05:00] jchadwick: Can someone point me in the direction of the doc that tells you how to only install the frontend???
[07:05:00] SqWaw`: one of their schemes?
[07:06:00] Krazylegz: I think so.
[07:06:00] Krazylegz: They made me resend my information, but then I got it right away. Just be prepared, and keep everything you might need (receipt, rebate form, etc).
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[07:06:00] sphery: I've heard rumors to that effect--deny it until they get a phone call. That way, they know that the information (i.e. e-mail) is correct and not faked.
[07:07:00] SqWaw`: ah, tricky bastards
[07:07:00] SqWaw`: alll my paperwork will be copied and put into folders :)
[07:07:00] Flimzy: Is there any way to increase the font size on the program guide, and Program Finder, etc?
[07:08:00] sphery: Unfortunately, CompUSA denied one of mine because it "was postmarked after the expiration date." The one thing I can't prove with my copies...
[07:08:00] sphery: Haven't decided if it's worth calling them... Probably only a $10 rebate, so...
[07:08:00] sphery: (I've got too many in the works to know which.)
[07:09:00] sphery: But, I've gotten all my Seagate rebates without problems.
[07:10:00] sphery: Flimzy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . guide;#35432
[07:11:00] Flimzy: sphery: Thanks
[07:11:00] sphery: np
[07:11:00] SqWaw`: (01:05:55) (jchadwick) Can someone point me in the direction of the doc that tells you how to only install the frontend???
[07:11:00] SqWaw`: anyone?
[07:13:00] SqWaw`: not this... right?? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html
[07:13:00] Flimzy: SqWaw`, On my system, it would be apt-get install myth-frontend, or something simlar.
[07:14:00] jchadwick: Flimzy: what apt server are you getting it from?
[07:14:00] Flimzy: jchadwick, I don't recall off the top of my head
[07:14:00] jchadwick: I'm trying to do this on Xebian... apt-cache search mythtv comes up blank
[07:14:00] Flimzy: jchadwick, looks like deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
[07:15:00] jchadwick: Flimzy: Do you know if I can use those packages with Xebian?
[07:16:00] Flimzy: jchadwick, I've never even heard of Xebian. (and I highly doubt I want to)
[07:16:00] jchadwick: lol
[07:16:00] jchadwick: Xebian = Debian for Xbox
[07:16:00] Flimzy: ah
[07:16:00] Flimzy: I dunno
[07:16:00] Flimzy: but I don't know why not
[07:17:00] Flimzy: you could probably at least use the source packages
[07:17:00] jchadwick: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[07:17:00] Flimzy: what is everyone's favorite theme?
[07:17:00] jchadwick: Well that's what I'm doing now, but I'd rather not install everything if I don't have to
[07:17:00] jchadwick: G.A.N.T
[07:17:00] jchadwick: Space is limited on the Xbox drive...
[07:17:00] Flimzy: so get a bigger drive?
[07:17:00] Flimzy: So use NFS?
[07:18:00] Flimzy: the xbox doesn't have a tuner in it does, it?
[07:19:00] SqWaw`: yea, thats some hardware/case mod isnt it?
[07:19:00] SqWaw`: putting a tuner in an xbox...
[07:20:00] jchadwick: Flimzy: Sure does not.
[07:20:00] jchadwick: SqWaw`: Never heard of it... Then again, never looked.
[07:21:00] Flimzy: I'm using an Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0ghz) with a software tuner. When recording, the CPU is usually at ~40–45% utilization. I'm thinking of adding a PVR-250 or 500. Will the existing CPU be fast enough then to record 3 channels simultaneously?
[07:22:00] Krazylegz: Sounds like you'd need write speed, not CPU speed.
[07:22:00] Flimzy: disk i/o seems good
[07:22:00] Flimzy: we're using a 250gb SATA and a 200gb ATA w/ striped LVM
[07:22:00] Flimzy: so most of the filesystem is striped
[07:23:00] Krazylegz: Probably fine.
[07:24:00] Flimzy: the hardware PVR-* cards use practically no CPU to encode, right? Just whatever is necessary for I/O operations?
[07:24:00] Krazylegz: In theory, yes. They certainly don't use much.
[07:25:00] Flimzy: And if we're transcoding everything to mpeg4, then there's no reason for the PVR-350's hardware decoder, right?
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[07:27:00] Krazylegz: Right.
[07:28:00] Krazylegz: Also, I previously had some problems using the PVR-350's tv-out for Myth's menus, etc.
[07:28:00] Krazylegz: It's okay, but you have to use ivtv-fb, so it's a little slow.
[07:28:00] Flimzy: okay
[07:28:00] Flimzy: well I'll probably stick with a 250 or 500
[07:37:00] xris: Krazylegz: that's why I tend to tell people not to use the 350 unless they absolutely need it.
[07:37:00] sphery: xris, I've got a question for you about mythlink.pl...
[07:38:00] xris: ?
[07:38:00] sphery: I'm updating it to add a couple of things so I can rip out mythlink.sh perl and have everything working, but can't figure out your illegal characters sub.
[07:39:00] xris: windows doesn't allow certain characters in filenames
[07:39:00] sphery: It doesn't seem to work for properly on characters and the regex is beyond me.
[07:39:00] sphery: Yeah. Got that.
[07:39:00] Krazylegz: xris: You didn't warn me. :-)
[07:39:00] sphery: Trying to figure out how the sub is supposed to work.
[07:39:00] xris: Krazylegz: I must not have been around.
[07:40:00] xris: sphery: hang on, let me dig it out (I don't use it, myself)
[07:40:00] sphery: sub is: $name =~ s/(?<!%)(?:%([$keys]))/$fields{$1}/g;
[07:40:00] Krazylegz: I got it last November, and I doubt I asked.
[07:40:00] sphery: OK
[07:40:00] sphery: Ooops
[07:40:00] sphery: wrong one
[07:40:00] sphery: $name =~ s/(?:[\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-]+\s*)+(?=[^\d\s\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-])/- /sg;
[07:40:00] xris: sphery: what's wrong with it?
[07:40:00] sphery: That's the one I can't figure out.
[07:41:00] sphery: After running the unmod'ed version, I still have characters that I think you're wanting to replace (like ?)
[07:41:00] xris: the complexity after the (?= is just to make duplicates group together, but only in some circumstances.
[07:41:00] xris: yeah. maybe I mispasted some of that
[07:42:00] sphery: I'm getting titles like: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005-03–26, 4–58 AM – Got Murder?.mpg
[07:42:00] sphery: Note the ?
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[07:42:00] xris: yeah
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[07:43:00] sphery: Looks like we're only replacing characters that are illegal to FAT32/NTFS and not worrying about FAT12/16 and ISO9660 characters, right (sounds reasonable to me, but I'm just verifying)
[07:45:00] xris: sphery: try s/(?:[\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-]+\s*)+(?=[^\s\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-])/- /sg
[07:45:00] sphery: one sec
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[07:45:00] xris: I strip out anything not allowed by windows when you try to type one of them (it gives you a list), plus /
[07:47:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005- 03- 19, 3- 58 AM – Blood Lust.mpg
[07:47:00] sphery: sorry bad copy
[07:47:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005- 03- 26, 4- 58 AM – Got Murder?.mpg
[07:47:00] sphery: That's the one I meant.
[07:47:00] sphery: Looks like some chars aren't grouping right and still getting the ?
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[07:49:00] xris: it's the ?= thing
[07:49:00] xris: since the ? is on the end, it's not catching.
[07:49:00] sphery: Oh
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[07:50:00] xris: s/(?:[\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-]+\s*)+(?=[^\s\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-]|$)/- /sg;
[07:50:00] sphery: because of the positive look-ahead...
[07:50:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005- 03- 26, 4- 58 AM – Got Murder-.mpg
[07:50:00] xris: yeah
[07:50:00] sphery: What about the new spaces?
[07:51:00] sphery: In the date
[07:51:00] xris: oh, crah
[07:51:00] xris: crap
[07:51:00] xris: hang on, I think I need to just make it more complex.
[07:51:00] sphery: Wow. And this one is way too complex for me to figure out.
[07:51:00] sphery: I don't know how you could make it more complex...  :)
[07:52:00] sphery: While you're at it, my sources say that " (double quote) is not legal in FAT32 or NTFS, too.
[07:52:00] sphery: Not currently included.
[07:52:00] xris: man, that's onyl hard to read because of the backslashes
[07:52:00] sphery: I'll admit I'm not a regexpert
[07:52:00] sphery: Probably easy for you...
[07:52:00] xris: sphery: grab a new copy from svn: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /mythlink.pl
[07:53:00] sphery: thx
[07:53:00] xris: (btw, you can't wget that link)
[07:53:00] sphery: yeah.
[07:53:00] xris: crap, I screwed that up
[07:53:00] sphery: Just did the svn up
[07:53:00] sphery: Good, because I still got the spaces.  :)
[07:54:00] xris: ok, try now
[07:55:00] mchou: wow....
[07:55:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005- 03- 26, 4- 58 AM – Got Murder-.mpg
[07:55:00] sphery: still spaces...
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[07:55:00] xris: ick
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[07:56:00] sphery: I've got to admit, I'm in way over my head right now...  :)
[07:56:00] sphery: Sorry for hitting you with this so late on a Sunday night (Monday morning?).
[07:56:00] xris: I need to pay more attention when I do this kind of thing.
[07:56:00] mchou: haha!
[07:57:00] sphery: I'm all for working this now, but if you don't have the time, I can post my patch against your current line and I'm sure you could fix my version...
[07:58:00] mchou: xris: you are much better off using 'tr' in that case.....
[07:58:00] mchou: more readable to boot.
[07:58:00] xris: mchou: except that I DON'T want to replace them all with "- "
[08:01:00] mchou: goddamn udf.....
[08:02:00] mchou: linux is just too weird sometimes.
[08:03:00] mchou: like you compile the kernel with udf as external module (vs. intrinsic) it starts behaving.....
[08:03:00] xris: sphery: ok, should work now
[08:03:00] mchou: wtf....
[08:04:00] sphery: Definitely more interesting...
[08:04:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Inve tigation – 2005- 03- 26, 4- 58 AM – Got Murder.mpg
[08:04:00] mchou: haha!!
[08:04:00] sphery: That space is really in "Inve tigation"
[08:04:00] mchou: gets even more mess up...
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[08:04:00] sphery: But, there's no ? at the end.  :)
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[08:05:00] mchou: is "?" a legit character for filename in unix?
[08:05:00] xris: mchou: yes, but not windows
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[08:06:00] xris: and since I figure most people using the script are exporting via samba, I should play nice.
[08:06:00] mchou: bah.
[08:06:00] mchou: tell them to use nfs :)
[08:06:00] mchou: windows has nfs too :)
[08:06:00] mchou: but it sucks.
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[08:09:00] xris: mchou: still limited by windows' legal characters
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[08:09:00] mchou: xris: maybe you should just say: micro~1 :)
[08:11:00] SqWaw: wow that online log thing is pretty leet-o
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[08:27:00] Sneaker__: Hi!
[08:27:00] Sneaker__: DVB#0 Error – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0
[08:28:00] Sneaker__: Any idea what might cause this?
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[08:32:00] SqWaw: I know what caused it...
[08:32:00] SqWaw: it couldnt find the dvb tuning parameters for transport 0
[08:33:00] SqWaw: :)
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[08:34:00] Sneaker__: that must be it!!
[08:34:00] Sneaker__: :P
[08:34:00] Sneaker__: I think its somekind of database problem
[08:34:00] Agrajag-: sounds like your db isn't setup properly
[08:34:00] Sneaker__: yep
[08:34:00] Sneaker__: but it is...
[08:35:00] Agrajag-: if it was, then i thikn it'd be finding dvb tuning parameters :P
[08:35:00] Sneaker__: true
[08:35:00] Sneaker__: hmm...
[08:35:00] Agrajag-: i dont really konw for sure though
[08:38:00] Sneaker__: it must be that
[08:40:00] jchadwick: can't find mp3lame?
[08:42:00] didj: Sneaker__: make sure all your channels/video sources/etc line up
[08:42:00] didj: channel.mplexid <=> dtv_multiplex.mplexid
[08:42:00] didj: dtv_multiplex.sourceid <=> cardinput.sourceid
[08:42:00] didj: cardinput.cardid <=> capturecard.cardid
[08:42:00] didj: in sql tables
[08:43:00] didj: (ie, if youve deleted the video input, channels still point to the old(invalid) source)
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[08:47:00] Sneaker__: ok
[08:47:00] Sneaker__: thanks, I will check that
[08:47:00] jchadwick: Flimzy: Still around?
[08:48:00] Flimzy: yeah
[08:48:00] Flimzy: what's up?
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[08:49:00] jchadwick: Just wondering if you can help me with an apt-get problem...
[08:49:00] Flimzy: what's the prob?
[08:49:00] jchadwick: I've got liblame0 and lame "gotten", but the myth compile still says "cannot find -lmp3lame"
[08:50:00] Flimzy: you need the -dev packages, I'm sure
[08:50:00] jchadwick: isn't apt-get supposed to do what's neccessary to put the libs in the path or whatever needs to happen
[08:50:00] jchadwick: I think I have. Hold on.
[08:51:00] jchadwick: hmmm... no dev showing up
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[09:02:00] SqWaw: damn bootstrapping takes forever.
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[09:14:00] sphery: xris, you still there?
[09:14:00] xris: barely
[09:14:00] sphery: :) Wondering why the illegal chars are in the look ahead?
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[09:15:00] sphery: If I change the sub to: $name =~ s/(?:[\/\\\:\*\?\<\>\|\-]+\s*)+(?=[^\d\s\-])/- /sg;
[09:15:00] sphery: and remove the # $name =~ tr/\s/ /s;
[09:15:00] sphery: it seems to work
[09:16:00] sphery: Is the purpose of the sub to group together multiple contiguous illegal chars so we only get one dash?
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[09:21:00] Flimzy: Is there a web frontend to mythtv, to allow me to schedule and manage recordings, etc, from a web browser, rather than running mythfrontend?
[09:21:00] KaZeR: Flimzy, mythweb
[09:22:00] Flimzy: That's not the web browser plugin for mythtv?
[09:22:00] KaZeR: nop, that's the webserver frontend. really handy
[09:22:00] Flimzy: super
[09:22:00] KaZeR: i use it more than mythfrontend to schedule my recordings
[09:22:00] sphery: MythBrowser is the browser.  :)
[09:22:00] Flimzy: ahh
[09:22:00] KaZeR: exaclty :)
[09:23:00] Flimzy: okay, installing it now
[09:23:00] Flimzy: And for another question... perhaps a tad off topic...
[09:23:00] Flimzy: Is there a (unofficial) Debian package for MythGame?
[09:25:00] KaZeR: gentoo here, can't help. but in gentoo there is one, so i'd say there's must be one
[09:27:00] Flimzy: hrm
[09:28:00] Flimzy: mythweb doesn't think mysql_connect() exists
[09:28:00] Flimzy: looks like a broken Deiban package
[09:28:00] Flimzy: too bad it's an unofficial one... so I can't complain to someone
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[09:28:00] xris: sphery: honestly, no clue why they're there.. but yes, to only get one dash, but also to prevent the space where it's not needed.
[09:28:00] sphery: ok
[09:29:00] sphery: With the mods I made, it looks right.
[09:29:00] sphery: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005-03–26, 4–58 AM – Got Murder.mpg
[09:30:00] k-man: no matter what i do, i just can't seem to get dual head going
[09:30:00] k-man: *sigh*
[09:30:00] xris: well, the tr/\s/ / should stay in
[09:30:00] xris: that converts multiple spaces into a single space
[09:31:00] sphery: It's taking the "\s" as a literal s
[09:31:00] xris: (well, the real one, not the typo one I just made)
[09:31:00] xris: really?
[09:31:00] xris: crap
[09:31:00] sphery: changes all the "s" to the space
[09:31:00] xris: I'll fix that and commit a new one.
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[09:31:00] xris: forgot that tr doesn't understand \s and needs them all spelled out.
[09:31:00] Flimzy: k-man, dual head MythTV?
[09:31:00] sphery: was OK with the sub instead of tr
[09:32:00] sphery: do we want trans or is sub OK?
[09:33:00] xris: tr is faster
[09:33:00] sphery: OK
[09:34:00] xris: since it deals only with chars instead of full regex, it doesn't have to load up the regex engine
[09:34:00] sphery: Oh. Makes perfect sense. thx for the explanation.
[09:35:00] k-man: Flimzy, yeah
[09:35:00] Flimzy: k-man, so you can watch two things at once?
[09:36:00] k-man: no
[09:36:00] xris: sphery: ok, should be fixed now.
[09:36:00] k-man: so i can use X while myth is running on the TV
[09:37:00] Flimzy: k-man, that shouldn't be too hard to set up
[09:37:00] sphery: Perfect: CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2005-03–26, 4–58 AM – Got Murder.mpg
[09:37:00] Flimzy: k-man, I should probably do that myself... add a 3rd vid card and do 3-head display
[09:37:00] sphery: thx, xris
[09:37:00] Flimzy: two for my PC, one for mythtv
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[09:38:00] Flimzy: Hrmph
[09:38:00] Flimzy: mythweb doesn't seem to like me very much
[09:39:00] Flimzy: ahh... PHP is having memory issues
[09:39:00] Flimzy: I forgot that php can suck so much
[09:40:00] Flimzy: woot
[09:40:00] Flimzy: now it's up
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[10:01:00] SqWaw: "Pay the Girl" will be written by Lisa Schrager, whose "Original Gangsta Bitches" script is being developed at Universal for Reese Witherspoon.
[10:01:00] SqWaw: Am I the only one who finds this hysterical? Not only are they going to create a movie called "Original Gangsta Bitches", but they're going to cast Reese Witherspoon as the lead? Are they nuts?
[10:01:00] SqWaw: "Pay the Girl" will be written by Lisa Schrager, whose "Original Gangsta Bitches" script is being developed at Universal for Reese Witherspoon.
[10:01:00] SqWaw: Am I the only one who finds this hysterical? Not only are they going to create a movie called "Original Gangsta Bitches", but they're going to cast Reese Witherspoon as the lead? Are they nuts?
[10:01:00] SqWaw: "Pay the Girl" will be written by Lisa Schrager, whose "Original Gangsta Bitches" script is being developed at Universal for Reese Witherspoon.
[10:01:00] SqWaw: Am I the only one who finds this hysterical? Not only are they going to create a movie called "Original Gangsta Bitches", but they're going to cast Reese Witherspoon as the lead? Are they nuts?
[10:01:00] SqWaw: ah shit!
[10:01:00] SqWaw: ignore that
[10:01:00] SqWaw: BAD SCRIPT
[10:01:00] SqWaw: BAD
[10:02:00] mchou: SqWaw: maybe reese is the female eminem :)
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[10:04:00] SqWaw: lol
[10:04:00] SqWaw: maybe
[10:04:00] SqWaw: anyways
[10:04:00] SqWaw: im off to bed
[10:04:00] SqWaw: afk
[10:04:00] SqWaw: 4:04am
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[10:46:00] JameF: how to watch tv in mythtv, no xmltv
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[10:50:00] Agrajag-: JameF: nothing stops you watching tv when there's no data.. just configure your channels properly
[10:52:00] JameF: how to config channels in mythtv?
[10:53:00] JameF: I can't find any file to add channel
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[10:58:00] JameF: Agrajag-, can you use your Leadtek remote controll in mythtv?
[11:02:00] KaZeR: JameF, in mythsetup, there's a channel editor
[11:05:00] JameF: how to use channel editor?
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[11:07:00] JameF: kaZeR where input channel frequencies?
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[11:11:00] JameF: how to set channel editor, does anybody know?
[11:12:00] KaZeR: JameF, run mythsetup, and choose the fifth menu
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[11:14:00] KaZeR: JameF, got it?
[11:15:00] JameF: yes
[11:16:00] JameF: but, how to set Callsign?
[11:16:00] JameF: what's this?
[11:17:00] JameF: and Rank?
[11:29:00] KaZeR: callsign is whatever you want
[11:29:00] KaZeR: rank is for organizing your favorites
[11:32:00] JameF: can I leave them blank or o?
[11:33:00] KaZeR: callsign should not be blank. but you can use the channel shortname
[11:33:00] JameF: so I have tvtime stationlist such as:
[11:35:00] JameF: station name="84.50MHZ" active="1" position="1" band="china-broadcast" channel="84.50MHZ" finetune="0"/>
[11:35:00] JameF: how can I set this tv channel?
[11:36:00] JameF: Frequency ID:?
[11:40:00] stoffel: not sure, but you can enter the frequency directly as frequency ID, iirc the unit is Hz
[11:42:00] KaZeR: i agree
[11:42:00] JameF: in Frequency ID: I input "84.50" or "84.50MHZ"
[11:42:00] JameF: ?
[11:42:00] KaZeR: or, since you set up the band, you can use the channel number
[11:43:00] KaZeR: i never really bothered with freqid
[11:43:00] stoffel: neither, 8450000
[11:43:00] KaZeR: it's easier with channels numbers
[11:44:00] stoffel: err add one 0, but yes, channel numbers are preferred
[11:44:00] JameF: where set channel number
[11:44:00] KaZeR: channel i believe
[11:45:00] JameF: where mythtv get channel frequecy?
[11:45:00] JameF: I haven't any channel number
[11:47:00] KaZeR: mmm, maybe scan them with smth like tvtime?
[11:47:00] KaZeR: that's how i did at the first time
[11:49:00] JameF: I use tvtime-scanner to find all tv channel, but mythtv haven't such tools:(
[11:50:00] KaZeR: no problem. how much channels do you have ?
[11:51:00] JameF: about 40 to 65 channels
[11:52:00] JameF: my tv is 60 channels
[11:54:00] KaZeR: oh much to do :/
[11:54:00] KaZeR: mmm
[11:54:00] KaZeR: i think i remember that there's a way to import xawtv to tv_grab and then to myth.
[11:55:00] KaZeR: because, so many channels by hand will be a pita
[11:55:00] KaZeR: maybe you should enter 5 of them by hand to test
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[12:01:00] JameF: ok, I'll try, if succeed more than 100 I will, I have try install myth half an year:(
[12:01:00] JameF: but how
[12:03:00] JameF: In mythfrontend, when I enter "watch TV" , I always get an black screen
[12:09:00] JameF: well, another question, how to set capture card, card type:?
[12:09:00] JameF: I use Leadtek Winfast TV2000XP Expert, and cx88 driver
[12:11:00] JameF: is "Standard V4l capture card" or "MPEG-2 Encoder card"?
[12:13:00] KaZeR: i believe this is a standard v4l
[12:15:00] KaZeR: i have to go to lunch. i'll be back in around 2 hours if you need help
[12:17:00] JameF: ok, bye
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[12:38:00] rep2: how can i pick up mythtv video streams from a pocket pc via a network?
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[12:58:00] rep2: or is there a pocket pc mythtv frontend available
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[13:10:00] GreyFoxx: rep2: There isn't one
[13:11:00] laga: hey GreyFoxx
[13:12:00] GreyFoxx: Mornin
[13:13:00] rep2: Greyfoxx: is there a possible solution to receive tv streams from mythtv on pocket pc via a media player (any way)
[13:13:00] rep2: ?
[13:13:00] laga: GreyFoxx: did you made any progress with your mythslax project? ;) sorry for the annoyance ;)
[13:14:00] GreyFoxx: laga: yeah, had a mini family crisis to deal with so I didn't get it put up over the weekend. But I'll put it up tonight
[13:15:00] GreyFoxx: rep2: I don't have a specific answer sice I don't know anything about the capabilities of a pocket pc
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[13:16:00] GreyFoxx: rep2: But if you have a mpeg2 encoding capture card, and your pocket pc can play them back over a samba share that might be an option for you
[13:16:00] laga: GreyFoxx: that's great :)
[13:18:00] k-man: Agrajag-, are you awake?
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[13:18:00] k-man: hey GreyFoxx
[13:19:00] k-man: im still bashing my head against this dual head thing
[13:20:00] ** GreyFoxx is just about to remove the 350 from his system **
[13:20:00] GreyFoxx: I'm giving it back to my coworker today :)
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[13:24:00] Agrajag-: k-man: yeah
[13:25:00] Agrajag-: k-man: what's the problem?
[13:27:00] k-man: Agrajag-, i still get this error: Multiple displays connected, but only one display allowed
[13:28:00] Agrajag-: hmm. you are you using the nvidia, not nv, yeah?
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[13:29:00] k-man: yeah
[13:29:00] k-man: nvidia
[13:29:00] k-man: Agrajag-, could my card not support dual head?
[13:29:00] k-man: i have yet to see dual head work at all on my system
[13:30:00] k-man: Agrajag-, are you in Australia?
[13:30:00] Agrajag-: yeah, sydney
[13:30:00] Agrajag-: have you got the docs that came with the card? that should tell you
[13:30:00] Agrajag-: show me your x config?
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[13:32:00] k-man: ok
[13:32:00] k-man: hang on
[13:32:00] k-man: can i dcc it to you?
[13:32:00] HTIRCuser: I need help an the mtd, do anybody know if there is a possibility to make it work
[13:32:00] k-man: or email it to you?
[13:33:00] Agrajag-: hmm.. yeah email phatfil@optusnet.com.au
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[13:34:00] HTIRCuser: has anybody the mtd at work?
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[13:38:00] k-man: ah
[13:38:00] k-man: back
[13:38:00] Agrajag-: k-man: bus id's correct?
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[13:38:00] k-man: Agrajag-, i think so
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[13:38:00] k-man: i mean it works for one desktop
[13:38:00] Agrajag-: oh you said you get one display didn't you
[13:38:00] k-man: yeah
[13:38:00] k-man: i do
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[13:38:00] Agrajag-: what card is it?
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[13:39:00] k-man: Agrajag-, um
[13:40:00] k-man: fx 5200
[13:40:00] k-man: NV34
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[13:41:00] Agrajag-: what brand?
[13:42:00] Agrajag-: what nvidia driver version?
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[13:42:00] k-man: Agrajag-, um... i forget the brand, but it was a cheap one... i can't find the box right now
[13:43:00] k-man: Agrajag-, um... i just upgraded to the latest driver
[13:43:00] k-man: and still no joy
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[13:44:00] Agrajag-: hmm.. if i were you i'd check the box and any docs that came with it
[13:44:00] k-man: yeah
[13:44:00] k-man: ok
[13:44:00] k-man: is it possible some cards don't support dual head?
[13:44:00] Agrajag-: i haven't heard of any that don't
[13:45:00] Agrajag-: have you tried twinview options?
[13:45:00] TomBlaireau: hi everybody ;)
[13:46:00] k-man: Agrajag-, yeah... no joy with that either
[13:47:00] k-man: Agrajag-, i dunno.. either the driver is broken, the cards is broken or the user is broken ;)
[13:47:00] k-man: *sigh*
[13:47:00] k-man: Agrajag-, did my config look ok?
[13:48:00] Agrajag-: yeah looks fine
[13:48:00] Agrajag-: :/
[13:48:00] k-man: *sigh*
[13:49:00] ** k-man bashes his head against the wall a bit more **
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[13:51:00] Agrajag-: find the docs.. might make thigns easier :)
[13:52:00] k-man: yeah
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[13:59:00] k-man: Agrajag-, i think i have lost them
[13:59:00] k-man: i can't find them anywhere *sigh*
[14:09:00] k-man: Agrajag-, what card do you have again?
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[14:12:00] JameF: Agrajag-, can you use your Leadtek remote control in mythtv?
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[14:14:00] Agrajag-: yep
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[14:14:00] Agrajag-: uses lirc_gpio
[14:14:00] Agrajag-: oh wait – which are you talking about?
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[14:14:00] Agrajag-: i have 2 dvb cards, and one analogue leadtek card
[14:15:00] Agrajag-: the dvb cards came with usb remotes that identify themselves as usb keyboards – so i just remapped myth's keys to use them
[14:15:00] Agrajag-: but now im using lirc + leadtek remote, so that mythtv doesn't have to have focus (which it needs for keyboard input)
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[14:24:00] JameF: I can't use my leadtek remote all button in mythtv
[14:25:00] JameF: how can I redefine remote button, seem lirc no use to me
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[14:39:00] dbroo: hi all
[14:40:00] dbroo: i've searched high and low for this but can't find an answer. i'm watching/outputting video using the PVR350 tv out. the video is from freeview here in the UK. the PVR350 won't respond to the W key to change aspect ratios, and the screen is always filled. i'm trying to get letterbox mode. can anyone help please! thank you
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[15:24:00] JameF: help! no xmltv, how can I watch TV by mythtv?
[15:24:00] Dibblah: Is it possible dya think for Gentoo to stop sucking in imaginative ways?
[15:25:00] Dibblah: JameF: DVB?
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[15:25:00] JameF: no broadcast
[15:26:00] JameF: not DVB
[15:26:00] JameF: I am in China, there is no China XMLTV
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[15:28:00] JameF: I want look tv just like tvtime, I can use tvtime-scanner scan many tv channel, but in mythtv, I can't find such tools
[15:29:00] TomBlaireau: JameF> did you try to take a look at nxtvepg?
[15:30:00] JameF: what is nxtvepg, an mythtv plugin?
[15:30:00] TomBlaireau: nope, a program that retrieve program guide using NextView EPG service
[15:31:00] TomBlaireau: maybe you have such services in china. I don't really know
[15:31:00] TomBlaireau: They're no talk about china on the NxtvEPG website, but give a try
[15:32:00] TomBlaireau: If you can receive european channel, this program could works for ya
[15:32:00] TomBlaireau: take a look at : http://nxtvepg.sourceforge.net/provnets.html
[15:32:00] JameF: I try
[15:33:00] TomBlaireau: I've a question too :) I'm experencing laggy problem while watching the tv
[15:34:00] TomBlaireau: I though it could be my hardware which are too old
[15:34:00] TomBlaireau: But it doesn't happen when I watch the tv with a little time shifting
[15:35:00] TomBlaireau: I saw prebuffering pause message when the tv lag a little bit
[15:36:00] TomBlaireau: I'm gonna try to get a GF4 and activate Xvmc, but the problem is strange
[15:45:00] JameF: if I want to watch TV in mythtv, how can I config in "capture card setup"
[15:46:00] JameF: Default input: Television ,S-Video or composite1?
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[15:49:00] TomBlaireau: Its depends on your configuration
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[15:49:00] TomBlaireau: It should be Television I think
[15:50:00] TomBlaireau: Television is the antenna receiver
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[15:54:00] SqWaw: http://www.cstrike.de/modules/screenorama/scr . . . 25184006.jpg
[15:55:00] SqWaw: good moring :)
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[15:56:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – how do i drop all mythdatabase info and repopulate it?
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[15:57:00] ckline: hi all
[15:58:00] ckline: I was wondering if I could get just a brief answer with jigdo as I'm trying to download Debian for the first time to use MythTV. I'm sorry, I know it's offtopic. I've researched but I'm not sure jigdo is working
[15:59:00] ckline: I've been running jigdo since 3am, its now 9:58am. every now and then it will rebuild the iso (which has gotten bigger over time), but every time it rebuilds, it says "Found 5 of Y files needed..."
[15:59:00] ckline: shouldn't the 5 ever increase?
[15:59:00] ckline: or will that be when its all downloaded?
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[16:11:00] eric00: @find beyond tv
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[16:16:00] whyz: hello all.. mythtv requires mysql, right? can i use my existing mysql server which is on another computer, or do i have to have mysql installed locally?
[16:17:00] GreyFoxx_: As long as myth can reach it your other machine would be fine
[16:18:00] GreyFoxx_: It doesn't have to be on the same server as the backend
[16:18:00] whyz: goodie
[16:19:00] whyz: then i'll just have to find out how to fool gentoo not to emerge mysql when i just want mythtv ;)
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx_: heh that I can't help you with :)
[16:20:00] Krazylegz: whyz: I can help you with that in a moment.
[16:21:00] whyz: thanks Krazylegz
[16:22:00] Krazylegz: whyz: Find out which package you're trying to avoid, e.g. dev-php/php-4.3.9 .
[16:22:00] whyz: while i'm at it, can i run mythtv on another X screen (does it even use X?) so that i can use my desktop computer as mythtv box transparently?
[16:23:00] whyz: Krazylegz, and now?
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx_: whyz: Sure you could. Either by having two layouts and run them as seperate X servers, or I suppose you could use twinview(nvidia thing) to do it
[16:23:00] Krazylegz: whyz: Then you add it to /etc/portage/profile/packages.provided .
[16:23:00] Spherical`: whyz, use flags?
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx_: Personally I'd run each output as a seperate X server
[16:24:00] whyz: Spherical`, i couldn't find any use flags for mysql with mythtv
[16:24:00] Spherical`: OK – I use Debian so I wouldn't know =(
[16:25:00] whyz: Krazylegz, oh, didn't know about packages.provided.. that's a new one for me :)
[16:25:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, that tells Gentoo that you installed something manually.
[16:26:00] Krazylegz: I do it with PHP, as you can see. However, remember that if you compile something that needs something in packages.provided, you need the libraries or the emerge will crap out anyway. You may want to emerge the same version of MySQL as your actual server, but just not use it.
[16:27:00] whyz: hm, strange that it's supposed to be in /etc/portage/profile/package.provided and not just /etc/portage/package.provided
[16:29:00] whyz: well seems to work now.. thanks :)
[16:30:00] SqWaw: are there any guides on specific kernel configuration for gentoo and mythtv
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[16:31:00] Krazylegz: whyz: Well, I think they changed some of that stuff so that it's in profile/ now.
[16:32:00] Krazylegz: SqWaw: There are a few MythTV on Gentoo tutorials.
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[16:47:00] SqWaw: nice split :)
[16:47:00] SqWaw: what is this
[16:47:00] SqWaw: /proc/kcore support...
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[16:52:00] LarruManChu: How does MythTV calculate time in a recording while it's recording?
[16:55:00] sphing: what do u mean how?
[16:55:00] sphing: like the math behind it?
[16:55:00] LarruManChu: yes exactly
[16:55:00] sphing: if you are curious about the math... i'm not sure how it matters if its recording or not
[16:56:00] sphing: i'm not sure the math behind it, i'm just not understanding your question
[16:56:00] LarruManChu: I'm getting discrepancies in the OSD time and where it is in the recording. For example if I skip forward after watching for 10 minutes it displays the time as 30 seconds later but I go backwards in the recording about a minute
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[16:57:00] LarruManChu: I think this has to do with the fact that my audio card's sample rate is locked at 44100
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx_: Larry: That's because FFWD and RWD are not configured to jump the same amounts of time
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[16:57:00] LarruManChu: no actually that's not the problem... when I skip forward it goes back
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx_: the amount of time jumped can be configured in the database
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx_: ahhh ok I see what you mean
[16:58:00] LarruManChu: depending on how long I watch it goes back farther as the discrepancy builds
[16:58:00] GreyFoxx_: Can't say I've EVER seen or heard anyone report that before
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[16:59:00] GreyFoxx_: Sounds like a majorly messed up seektable
[16:59:00] LarruManChu: yeah not too many people use Envy24 cards
[16:59:00] sphing: so what you are saying is that the longer you watch the faster it jumps forward
[16:59:00] SqWaw: wow... thats weird
[16:59:00] LarruManChu: no the longer I watch the further back it goes when I skip forward
[16:59:00] SqWaw: it goes backwards when you go forward...
[16:59:00] SqWaw: even weirder
[16:59:00] sphing: yea... thats a first
[16:59:00] LarruManChu: basically myth thinks it's farther in the reording than it is
[17:00:00] sphing: but if you dont rewind.. the video plays normal?
[17:00:00] GreyFoxx_: LarruManChu: Do you see this for every recording or just recordings in progress ?
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[17:01:00] LarruManChu: when it flags commercials I just do commercial skip and that works fine because it's frame based, not in relation to the current position (e.g. current position + 30 seconds)
[17:02:00] LarruManChu: what's really frustrating is when I get near the end of a long recording and myth thinks it's already done and it stops counting time... it won't let me skip forward after that
[17:02:00] JameF: mythtv from where get tv channel?
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx_: that definately sounds like a seektable problem. Have you tried rebuilding the seektable on a recording and seeing if the problem stil occurs ?
[17:03:00] LarruManChu: I haven't but I'm sure it would
[17:04:00] GreyFoxx_: JameF: The listings depend on where you are located. In north america we can get them from Zap2it via DataDirect. But other countries need to use either xmltv grabbers if one exists for your country or come up with something on their own
[17:04:00] LarruManChu: My best guess is that myth is counting time based on the audio sample rate of 48KHz but since I'm playing at 44.1KHz it's counting wrong
[17:04:00] GreyFoxx_: Well the code is there, so that's something that you can check at least :)
[17:04:00] sphing: LarruManChu: have you changed the rate in myth since you cant change the hardware?
[17:06:00] SqWaw: JameF: Speak better english? I can't really understand what you're trying to say...
[17:06:00] SqWaw: Maybe try a translator?
[17:06:00] LarruManChu: I think I did... Can't manipulate the osd from here... I'll check it tonight. (Actually I can change the rate of the hardware but it only allows 1 rate so if I change it to 48KHz, when I listen to music it's all slowed down)
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[17:10:00] sphing: lol... its pming everyone and getting booted for excess flood
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[17:11:00] LarruManChu: actually all the rates are stored in the database right? I can view that from here
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[17:14:00] GreyFoxx_: all config data is stored in the db
[17:21:00] LarruManChu: Ah HA!!!!
[17:21:00] LarruManChu: 32KB
[17:22:00] LarruManChu: looks like they're all set to 32
[17:22:00] LarruManChu: so I'll change my audio hw to 32 and see if that fixes the problem, then I'll change it to 48 and see if that brings the problem back
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[17:27:00] LarruManChu: what's standard DVD audio sample rate?
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx_: 48kHz I believe
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[17:29:00] LarruManChu: yup
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[17:38:00] Krazylegz: Did we fix the Gentooers?
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[17:40:00] GreyFoxx: Not I :)
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[17:45:00] Krazylegz: Well, they're both still here.
[17:45:00] ** Krazylegz checks the log **
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[17:52:00] SqWaw: hot topic: lilo or grub ?
[17:53:00] LarruManChu: I like lilo
[17:53:00] SqWaw: yea... most do
[17:53:00] laga: grub
[17:53:00] SqWaw: bit easier than grub, isnt it?
[17:53:00] LarruManChu: I gave up on grub
[17:53:00] SqWaw: just emerging my gentoo sysmte... so yea.
[17:53:00] anordby: Stick with lilo if you can.
[17:53:00] SqWaw: oh i can :)
[17:54:00] anordby: No reason to overdo things.
[17:54:00] SqWaw: emerge --usepkg lilo
[17:55:00] SqWaw: emerge X is when the fun starts :)
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[18:05:00] Krazylegz: I've used both Grub and Lilo. I like Lilo just because I've used it since before Grub came out.
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[18:17:00] SqWaw: i like lilo too
[18:17:00] SqWaw: its reeeel simple
[18:17:00] Krazylegz: Lilo likes you. :-P
[18:17:00] SqWaw: grub is all weird and... weird.
[18:17:00] Krazylegz: Grub is safer.
[18:18:00] SqWaw: for a mythbox? or in general?
[18:18:00] Krazylegz: Though, I don't know what that means, really. I'm no expert, but if the hardware is working properly, I can always save a borked Lilo.
[18:18:00] Krazylegz: In general.
[18:18:00] SqWaw: <--- *nix noob, just good w/ computers
[18:18:00] Krazylegz: So, you're good with Windows?
[18:18:00] SqWaw: yea
[18:19:00] Krazylegz: I'm sure your friends find that very useful. :-)
[18:20:00] SqWaw: yes
[18:20:00] SqWaw: im not exactly a nix noob either..
[18:20:00] Krazylegz: Oh, well that's good.
[18:20:00] SqWaw: im know pretty general stuff, i can get a nix system up a running no problem
[18:20:00] SqWaw: and keep it running
[18:20:00] SqWaw: just not 100% secure like a real expert
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[18:31:00] HTIRCuser: anyone of you has the myth transcoding daemon working
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[18:48:00] madmax: i am looking for help with the mtd
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[19:05:00] jMi: Hi – I've set up myth following the instructions on abarbaccia.com – everything looks OK, but when I try to schedule a recording it doesn't get added to upcoming. Anyone got any suggestions?
[19:20:00] xris: holy crap, mchou isn't here.
[19:20:00] xris: anyone remember the name of the third hd card for linux? (pchdtv, air2pc and what else?)
[19:20:00] starnix17: I have a quick question.... are tv wonder cards (by ATI) supported?
[19:21:00] xris: starnix17: the bttv ones
[19:21:00] starnix17: bttv?
[19:21:00] ** starnix17 googles **
[19:22:00] xris: starnix17: the chipset used by most older/cheaper tv tuner cards.
[19:22:00] xris: why you'd want one when the pvr-150 is so cheap, I don't know, though
[19:23:00] starnix17: yeah... I just want to play with it
[19:23:00] starnix17: my friend just got a better card
[19:23:00] starnix17: gave me his old one
[19:23:00] starnix17: wasn't sure if it's supported in Linux
[19:23:00] whyz: i'm waiting for my pvr 350.. hoping i could have some fun with it :)
[19:24:00] starnix17: I wish I cuold build a mythbox
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: whyz: New toys are always fun
[19:24:00] xris: starnix17: check the v4l supported-card list.. or look on the card for the chipset
[19:24:00] paulweb515: starnix17: I think the TV wonder card is, just not the All-in-Wonder cards ... http://www.mythtv.org the installation manual has links to supported cards
[19:25:00] starnix17: yeah
[19:25:00] starnix17: it is
[19:25:00] whyz: GreyFoxx, exactly my though
[19:25:00] whyz: thought
[19:25:00] ** xris doesn't understand why people pay so much for the 350 **
[19:25:00] starnix17: I just have to recompile my kernel
[19:27:00] starnix17: bttv comes with the kernel right?
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: yup
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[19:30:00] LarruManChu: how do you view an mpg's header?
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[19:39:00] Krazylegz: LarruManChu: file mpeg.mpg
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[19:41:00] rjune: LarruManChu: http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/midentify
[19:42:00] MHillyer: Hi Guys, I am currently looking for the following: I have a lot of DVDs, and my kids know how to take them from the case and put them into the DVD player, but have not yet learned how to do it in a way that does not cause smudges/scratches. I want to build a PC that rips the DVDs and then provides an interface so I can hide the DVDs and still let the kids watch their movies. Is MythTV a good choice for this?
[19:44:00] LarruManChu: midentify == sweet
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[19:45:00] rw: MHillyer, are you the same guy in the list? it's possible to do this, people do it a lot. I would say yes.
[19:45:00] MHillyer: The list?
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[19:46:00] rw: MHillyer, nevermind :)
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[19:46:00] rw: someone just asked this in the mailing list.
[19:46:00] MHillyer: Aah.
[19:47:00] lotia: if i want to move my entire screen to left on my tv out, would i use xvidtune?
[19:47:00] smartel: Something strange apenned to one of my recording today; the recorded file is in MPEG ADTS, LAYER I format. (Input from Hauppauge PVR-150). And myth Frontend is not able to play that file. All my other recording are un MPEG2. Any idea what could have bean wrong ?
[19:51:00] ckline: I need some brief help with jigdo. It still says "Found 5 files of xxxxx needed" after 12 hours of downloading. Is that normal?
[19:52:00] LarruManChu: Ok... I'm cornfused: all my recording profiles have the audio sample rate set to 32KHz (not bitrate), but my recordings from both cards are recorded in 48KHz. Apparently mythTV is ignoring my settings
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: LarruManChu: out of curiousity, what kind of cards ?
[19:52:00] LarruManChu: prv-350 and pvr-150mce
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[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: 48khz is the ivtv default, maybe myth isn't setting it. Unfortunately I don't see an option in ivtvctl to display the current sample rate
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: " // only 48kHz works properly.
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: int audio_rate = 1;
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: "
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: from mpegrecorder.cpp
[19:58:00] LarruManChu: HA!
[19:59:00] LarruManChu: so why give the option to change it?
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: Not a question I can answer :)
[19:59:00] rjune: LarruManChu: yeah it is
[19:59:00] LarruManChu: that was rethorical
[20:00:00] rjune: LarruManChu: I meant midentify
[20:01:00] LarruManChu: ah
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[20:11:00] MrSpiffy: hey folks – I am trying to get mplayer to scale properly
[20:11:00] MrSpiffy: anybody know how to use the -vf scale options?
[20:11:00] MrSpiffy: the man page is clear as mud
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[22:44:00] LarruManChu: GreyFoxx: I figured out my time discrepancy problem
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[22:46:00] LarruManChu: It had nothing to do with the "multi track rate lock". I do need to turn that off so I can play all sample rates, but the time discrepancy was because myth thought I was recording at 32kHz based on my recording profiles, but was actually recording at 48kHz. Switching my recording profiles to 48 fix it. Thanks for your help
[22:47:00] abarbaccia: hey is there any way to get regular FM radio through a PVR250 card?
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[22:52:00] xris: abarbaccia: I think the mce ones might have an fm tuner.
[22:52:00] xris: don't think there's a myth plugin for it, though.
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[22:55:00] abarbaccia: xris, hurm – poss should be incorporated into myth music
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[22:59:00] xris: abarbaccia: someday, maybe.. more likely mythstream, though
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[23:00:00] xris: or whatever the streaming radio plugin is called
[23:00:00] Chutt: no
[23:00:00] Chutt: that'll never get merged in :p
[23:01:00] laga: why? ;)
[23:01:00] Chutt: because the mythstream stuff should be built in to the various plugins
[23:01:00] Chutt: not separate stuff
[23:01:00] laga: oh, ok
[23:02:00] Chutt: like, you're listening to music
[23:02:00] Chutt: you shouldn't have to decide which plugin to select based on where it's coming from
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[23:07:00] Sneaker__: Hi, can someone tell that is it normal that channel.mplexid is empty in the database when using dvb-t?
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[23:14:00] adante: Sneaker__: i get 4 different values
[23:14:00] malaTG: Anyone who knows a little about mythgame here? I corrected my roms with goodnes and know I can't see my sreentitles anymore in mythgame even though they have the same name......
[23:15:00] xris: Chutt: well, then it should get merged in to the proper place...
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[23:16:00] Chutt: right, but people won't do that
[23:21:00] xris: well, I can't complain, then...
[23:22:00] xris: esp. since I haven't even managed to find time to try out mythmusic lately
[23:23:00] Sneaker__: ok
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: I figured out the channel.mplexid mystery and I thought I finally got it working...
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: but no.
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: status: LOCK.
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: Multiplex Locked
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: Timeout Getting PMT
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: ERROR – Tuning for channel #3 failed
[23:24:00] Sneaker__: any ideas?
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[23:43:00] malaTG: Okey going crazy here depending on what I name my screens in mythgame they may show for instance Castlevania is correct but Castlevania 2 shows the screen for the first game does anyone know why?
[23:54:00] Sneaker__: goddamn
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[23:58:00] GreyFoxx: malaTG: What are the exact names of the game files and of the screenshot
[23:58:00] GreyFoxx: and what version, 0.18.x release or svn ?
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[23:59:00] MrSpiffy: hi there
[23:59:00] malaTG: 0.18.1
[23:59:00] MrSpiffy: I've been up and down mplayer six ways to snday trying to shift playback down (+y) and it WILL NOT work

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