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Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] xris: for the average user, though, cable internet is a far better option over dsl
[00:00:00] xris: just not for tv.
[00:01:00] Bachus9000: Well, thanks for your help, guys. Time to get back to packing. :(
[00:01:00] CCFL_Man: so how do i get captions from mythtv?
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[00:48:00] Immolo: Hello I was wondering if anyone has seen a program like MythVideo but doesn't use QT?
[00:50:00] juski: Immolo: none that I know of (not that I know much)
[00:50:00] kormoc: Immolo, well, given myth itself uses qt, you'd be hard pressed to fine a plugin that doesn't
[00:52:00] Immolo: I meant as in before people used mythtv
[00:53:00] juski: before mythtv?
[00:53:00] juski: what's your prejudice against QT anyway, Immolo?
[00:54:00] Immolo: it's doesn't compile on the ps2
[00:54:00] kormoc: Immolo, mplayer/xine
[00:54:00] Immolo: it's the annoying thing that mythvideo does everything I want but qt won't let me
[00:57:00] laga: Immolo: www.freevo.org
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[01:01:00] juski: woah when was the last time freevo was updated? 2004 it says on their site
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[01:02:00] kormoc: juski, I'd assume 2004 then
[01:03:00] [shodan]: anyone has tips on making mythvideo less horribly painfully slow ? ;)
[01:05:00] juski: shodan – it works just fine for me on a 1Ghz EPIA based box
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[01:05:00] black_Nightmare: hey there
[01:06:00] black_Nightmare: just curious if anyone awake to tell me a bit about video recording?
[01:08:00] kormoc: http://www.hexus.net/content/static/tnn300.html <-- new silent pc case.
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[01:10:00] rarrr: is it possible to delete channels without having to re grab them?
[01:11:00] black_Nightmare: kormoc...nice..and if you didn't know you can buy a 350W thermaltake psu that has no fans anyhow...just a headup anyway
[01:11:00] black_Nightmare: ;)
[01:12:00] juski: that thing looks like a nightmare... who'd put something like that next to their TV?
[01:12:00] rarrr: no matter found it :)
[01:13:00] kormoc: juski, silent at all costs type of folk?
[01:13:00] juski: does it come with a cloaking device too?
[01:13:00] juski: looks butt ugly
[01:13:00] black_Nightmare: what I wanted to ask anyhow was....
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[01:14:00] black_Nightmare: any idea about recording a video to the hd at low/mild compression then later with more of the cpu free... redo it into a higher compression?
[01:15:00] juski: it's called transcoding, black_Nightmare
[01:15:00] black_Nightmare: ah..so its been done before then? :p
[01:15:00] juski: yes, lots :)
[01:15:00] juski: already a feature, you could say ;)
[01:15:00] black_Nightmare: lol allright allright
[01:16:00] black_Nightmare: one quick question
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[01:16:00] black_Nightmare: you think that the video-in on ati AIW already has its own compression-er or thats left all to the cpu ratherly?
[01:16:00] black_Nightmare: I know that for playback its got its own dvd decoder still
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[01:18:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, that'd be software very likly
[01:18:00] black_Nightmare: hm I see thanks anyway
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[01:19:00] kormoc: if you get a hardware encoder card, you wouldn't have to transcode anyway, given it takes like .5% cpu to record at any quality
[01:19:00] Uberbot: Is anyone using Asterisk for caller id and MythTv together?
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: I do
[01:20:00] black_Nightmare: hmm kormoc just wondering but mind giving me example link to one such card?
[01:20:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, what command do you send have in your dialplan to send the cid?
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: I recompiled mythtvosd to have less depenancies since it didn't require much to compile and then copied it to my asterisk box
[01:20:00] GreyFoxx: hold on
[01:20:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html
[01:20:00] Uberbot: I'm not able to compile mythudprelay.
[01:21:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, any of the pvr 150/250/350/500's are hardware mpeg
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[01:21:00] black_Nightmare: hmm...one dumb question
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: I just added this : exten => s,2,System(/usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=cid --caller_number="${CALLERIDNUM}" --caller_date="${DATETIME:0:2}/${DATETIME:2:2}/${DATETIME:4:4}" --caller_time="${DATETIME:9}" --caller_name="${CALLERIDNAME}" --bcastaddr="192.168.0.10" --udpport="6948" )
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[01:21:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, so you have mythtvosd on your asterisk box? I have it on the mythtv box....
[01:21:00] Keith: hey- i finally got the dvd to work on my mythbox
[01:21:00] black_Nightmare: think that computer wouldn't get confused with seeing two tv tuners on one board?
[01:21:00] black_Nightmare: :p
[01:21:00] Keith: ::applause::
[01:21:00] Keith: BUUUUT
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: yup. I compiledit and got it running on the asterisk box
[01:22:00] Keith: its slow as hell. xine says to enable dma
[01:22:00] Keith: for my dvd device
[01:22:00] Keith: anyone here know how to do this?
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: You can snag a copy if you wanna see if it will work for you
[01:22:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, the pvr 500 has dual tv tuner on one pci card,
[01:22:00] GreyFoxx: I compiled it and removed some of the libraries that get linked to it since most of them are not on my asterisk box
[01:22:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, myth doesn't care how many tuners you have and can use them all if your comptuer supports it
[01:23:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, but you won't want to use the AiW anyway, it's rather crappy quality compaired to the pvr's
[01:23:00] Uberbot: Let me take that approach, first, GreyFoxx.
[01:23:00] kormoc: Keith, hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd_device should do it
[01:23:00] black_Nightmare: kormoc...umm can I play any games through the pvr card? :-)
[01:23:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtvosd if you wanna give the precompiled one a shot
[01:23:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, the tv cards are input only
[01:24:00] black_Nightmare: kormoc..figures...I'll keep the aiw card heh :p
[01:24:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, other then the 350, which is hardware mpeg out only, so no, you couldn't
[01:24:00] Keith: how do i know what to put for dvd_device?
[01:24:00] black_Nightmare: ty for the link anyhow
[01:24:00] Keith: or is that hte actual device name kormoc ?
[01:24:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, you can keep the aiw as a videocard, sure
[01:24:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, but not use the tuner on it
[01:24:00] black_Nightmare: kormoc...actually you know whats funny?
[01:24:00] kormoc: Keith, that's not the acutal device name
[01:24:00] ** rah wonders how to get mythtv playing on a TV **
[01:24:00] Keith: cdrom?
[01:24:00] Keith: or dvd?
[01:24:00] kormoc: Keith, it would be hdc if it's the primary on the second ide channel
[01:24:00] rah: the TV mode on my graphics card is unwatchable :/
[01:24:00] kormoc: Keith, depends on the distro
[01:25:00] Keith: ubuntu
[01:25:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, yeah?
[01:25:00] GreyFoxx: rah: Then get a new one :)
[01:25:00] kormoc: Keith, what does it mount as?
[01:25:00] Keith: how do i check?
[01:25:00] rah: GreyFoxx: it's not a problem with the card
[01:25:00] rah: hmm
[01:25:00] kormoc: Keith, is it /mnt/cdrom?
[01:25:00] rah: I need to get an X server for directfb
[01:25:00] Keith: how do i check what its mounted too?
[01:25:00] kormoc: ...
[01:26:00] black_Nightmare: having a game on vga and the old large tv nearby is displaying the keyboard command lists in a single-screen table :))
[01:26:00] black_Nightmare: that was amusing while it lasted for :p
[01:26:00] Keith: im stil new kormoc to linux- recently swithced
[01:26:00] kormoc: Keith, yeah, I gathered.
[01:26:00] black_Nightmare: using the vga and video-out altogether on the aiw card anyhow
[01:26:00] Keith: haha yeah
[01:26:00] Keith: so how do i check what something is mounted to?
[01:26:00] kormoc: Keith, you need to mount it first
[01:26:00] black_Nightmare: so hence the reason I like this aiw and that linux seem to support all of it well (not the "ati drivers" from their site) anyway
[01:27:00] kormoc: easiest way would to be to mount /mnt/cdrom and see if that mounts your dvd disk
[01:27:00] kormoc: if /mnt/cdrom shows the content of your dvd disk, you can then look in /etc/fstab and see what /mnt/cdrom is mapped to
[01:27:00] GreyFoxx: Or just look at the output of dmesg
[01:27:00] GreyFoxx: and see what drive is showing up as the dvdrom
[01:27:00] Keith: k thanks kormoc for the help
[01:27:00] kormoc: black_Nightmare, sure, you can do that fine, and just not use the tuner on the AiW card.
[01:28:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, true, but not all dvd drives have dvd in the name, do they?
[01:28:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, mythtvosd seems to need a lot...
[01:28:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: I've seen to see one that didn't
[01:28:00] Uberbot: I'm trying to use cidbcast and udprelay to get the job done...
[01:29:00] Uberbot: Any pointers would be appreciated.....
[01:29:00] GreyFoxx: but it should still be obvious since the dvdrom wont have csectors, cyclindars, and a max data size :)
[01:29:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: I didn't bo ther with them :)
[01:29:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, fair nuff
[01:29:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, the mythtvosd.cpp wouldn't compile, and I don't know c++.
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[01:30:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: I just compiled it on my mythbox, and moved it over
[01:30:00] Uberbot: Doh!
[01:30:00] Uberbot: Ok, now I feel silly. :-D
[01:30:00] GreyFoxx: But first I removed a lot of the libraries it gets linked too since they are not required for it
[01:30:00] Uberbot: How did you do that?
[01:30:00] GreyFoxx: vi Makefile
[01:31:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[01:31:00] Uberbot: Unfortunately, I'm using KnoppMyth right now....
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[01:32:00] GreyFoxx: I dropped the depandancies from 38 libs to 24
[01:32:00] GreyFoxx: Like I said, feel free to try the precompiled version
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[01:34:00] _StiloMan_: hi
[01:34:00] _StiloMan_: i need some help
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[01:35:00] _StiloMan_: how to configure mythtv?
[01:35:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, could you send me a copy of your mythtvosd?
[01:35:00] Uberbot: Or a link to one?
[01:35:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: I already did :)
[01:35:00] GreyFoxx: www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtvosd
[01:35:00] GreyFoxx: _StiloMan_: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall
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[01:37:00] Uberbot: That one needed libqt-mt.so.3. I'll keep trying.... Thanx.
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[01:41:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: That's the QT multithreaded library
[01:41:00] GreyFoxx: QT will be required in some form
[01:41:00] GreyFoxx: unless you do some rewriting :)
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[01:52:00] travolta: ha, i'm seeing these google text ads saying something like why deal with the trouble of setting up mythtv, use this instead
[01:52:00] Chutt: snapstream's had those out for years
[01:52:00] GreyFoxx: haha
[01:53:00] GreyFoxx: nifty. It was easier than I expected to setup Slax to bootup a frontend from a usb drive
[01:54:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx, I guess I'll just install Mythtv on my Asterisk box... Eventhough it will mean installing Xorg.....  :-S
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: I should configure it to grab the mysql.txt from tftp based on info passed from dhcp. Would make setting up new frontends as simple as cloning the usb key and booting up
[01:54:00] CanadaBoy: from a usn device?
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: You don't need to install all of myth
[01:54:00] CanadaBoy: usb
[01:54:00] GreyFoxx: CanadaBoy: Yup
[01:54:00] CanadaBoy: dam
[01:54:00] Uberbot: I'm all ears....
[01:54:00] CanadaBoy: diddo
[01:55:00] CanadaBoy: im looking for a sweet frontend
[01:55:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: the lowest effort would be to install qt-mt, and X. Then you should meet all the requirements of the mythtvosd I put up.
[01:55:00] CanadaBoy: trying to decide what to use
[01:56:00] travolta: my frontends an xbox
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: CanadaBoy: It was suprisingly easy. I'll probably make slax modules for it
[01:56:00] Uberbot: I'm using Gentoo, so I'll just emerge mythtv and let it take care of the dependancies. I just didn't want to have all of X installed. Kinda anal I guess.
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: So it will work with CD, hdd or usb drivs
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: heh
[01:57:00] CanadaBoy: whatis slax?
[01:57:00] travolta: slackware based live cd
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: Live CD version of slackware. Very minimal
[01:57:00] Uberbot: Starting the install. Be finished later tonight, I'll bet.
[01:57:00] Uberbot: Thanx, GreyFox.
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: have fun :)
[01:58:00] CanadaBoy: hmmm i need a frontend
[01:58:00] CanadaBoy: was thinking xbox but i've heard its slow
[01:58:00] travolta: slow how?
[01:58:00] CanadaBoy: menu's i guess not 100% sure
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: It's more just low ram. It's more than fast neough for playback
[01:59:00] CanadaBoy: hmmm
[01:59:00] CanadaBoy: nice compack package and cheap ... i wonder if i can upgrade the ram
[02:00:00] CanadaBoy: or config linux to have hge swap
[02:00:00] CanadaBoy: huge
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[02:01:00] ** GreyFoxx smells supper cooking and starts to drool **
[02:01:00] travolta: i got a default install of xebian on my xbox and use it to view non-hd content just fine
[02:01:00] CanadaBoy: what about a mythtvinstall ?
[02:02:00] travolta: i 'm not familiar with how debian pakages work, i kind of installed it by fluke
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: so no mythtv fronend or yes?
[02:03:00] travolta: yea, i use mythfrontend on it
[02:03:00] travolta: set it up to auto start
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: and is it slow?
[02:03:00] travolta: slow how?
[02:03:00] travolta: booting up?
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: menu's loading time etc.
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: useable?
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: i like it?
[02:03:00] CanadaBoy: u
[02:04:00] travolta: menus loading? how long is a long time?
[02:04:00] travolta: yea i like it
[02:04:00] ** GreyFoxx watches mysql build and giggles **
[02:04:00] CanadaBoy: well say more then 5 seconds for any 1 menu that DOESN"T do samba / mythwethers
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[02:05:00] travolta: its like less than one second
[02:05:00] travolta: press a button and it happens
[02:06:00] CanadaBoy: nice ...well
[02:06:00] CanadaBoy: then mabey i should get one ...
[02:06:00] CanadaBoy: u uses emulator on it?
[02:07:00] travolta: not linux ones, but the illegal ones yea (built with offical xbox sdk)
[02:07:00] CanadaBoy: right on ... well then
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[02:22:00] juski: there's a python scripted frontend for mythtv on the xbox ya know ;)
[02:23:00] juski: goes on top of XBMC... and the really good news is there's a legal one in the pipeline
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[02:28:00] dampjam: I'm setting up ivtv now – what do I have to modprobe to get the /dev/video0 working?
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[02:35:00] dhofstra: modprobe ivtv?
[02:35:00] dhofstra: that's all I do
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[02:50:00] Kyler: Argh! I'm trying to set up a mobile MythTV player and I can't get MySQL initialized. Tried mc.sql. Anyone want to throw me a clue?
[02:50:00] Kyler: mysql -u mythtv -p=mythtv -h localhost
[02:50:00] Kyler: ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
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[02:59:00] Agrajag-: Kyler: dont put the = there?
[03:00:00] Agrajag-: unless you set that as your password
[03:00:00] Agrajag-: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv ...
[03:00:00] Kyler: Yup. I *just* figured that out after suceeding with manually entering the password.
[03:00:00] Kyler: Thanks!
[03:01:00] Kyler: It's been a long time since I last setup Myth...
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[03:02:00] Kyler: Hint of the day...when setting up a new MythTV server, double check before saying "yes" to "Clear your ... settings?"
[03:02:00] Kyler: (double check that you're talking to the machine you think you are)
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[03:03:00] Agrajag-: better hint of the day... do backups
[03:03:00] Kyler: Yeah, yeah...
[03:03:00] Agrajag-: :)
[03:04:00] Kyler: Yea! I finally got my mobile MythTV viewer working! Now to get the USB drive plugged in and mounted...
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[03:05:00] GreyFoxx: mobile viewer ?
[03:05:00] juski: haha Kyler... been there with the clearing out of the wrong settings lol
[03:05:00] Kyler: I'm going to camp so I'm trying to pluck out 250GB of video to take with me to demo MythTV.
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[03:06:00] hadees: anyone else here a lxm member
[03:06:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: Cool
[03:06:00] Kyler: I've been using LXM for a little while.
[03:06:00] GreyFoxx: I'm in the process of setting up a little usb driver bootable mythfrontend here. Just for the hell of it
[03:06:00] hadees: Kyler, so have i but man it blows, there isn't anything new
[03:06:00] hadees: they have like one theme
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[03:07:00] Kyler: What does "there isn't anything new" mean wrt LxM?
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[03:07:00] Kyler: Oh...it's themes you seek?
[03:08:00] Kyler: I just want listings from LxM.
[03:08:00] hadees: Kyler, no not themes, plugins
[03:08:00] hadees: and the listings aren't any better
[03:08:00] hadees: i was hopping to atleast get a month
[03:08:00] Mrgoose: anyone know anything bout lirc?
[03:08:00] Kyler: I'm just hoping that they'll have better reviews someday. I automate most of my recordings.
[03:08:00] juski: just checked out that lxmsuite
[03:08:00] juski: their site I mean
[03:09:00] hadees: Kyler, what do you mean reviews?
[03:09:00] juski: no look before you pay option :(
[03:09:00] Kyler: I read something about them wanting to provide something better than the "stars" rating.
[03:09:00] hadees: Kyler, yeah them and everyone else, lots of talk no action
[03:10:00] Kyler: I just like paying for listings because that other service was so whacked out when I asked to pay.
[03:10:00] hadees: if i could get venture capital i would be doing this, they got it and they aren't doing anything
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[03:10:00] hadees: Kyler, what other service?
[03:10:00] hadees: zap2it?
[03:10:00] hadees: its the same listings
[03:10:00] hadees: lxmsuite is just paying for it
[03:10:00] juski: hey I've got this amazing idea
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[03:11:00] hadees: juski, shoes for ducks?
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[03:11:00] juski: hadees: yeah
[03:11:00] Kyler: Yes, Zap2It was all weird when I asked to pay for the service.
[03:11:00] xris: Kyler: how much did you want to pay (and why pay when they offer it for free?)
[03:12:00] hadees: Kyler, um okay, well Zap2it is owned by tribune
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[03:12:00] Kyler: Zap2It doesn't offer anything for free. They require surveys.
[03:12:00] hadees: and thats where lxmsuite gets its listins
[03:12:00] xris: Kyler: so subscribe to lxm
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[03:12:00] hadees: so you are paying them
[03:12:00] Kyler: I did subscribe.
[03:12:00] xris: ahh
[03:12:00] Kyler: (Yes, I do put my money where my mouth is sometimes...)
[03:12:00] hadees: all i want is some damn plugins, where is that bounty system
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[03:13:00] Chutt: you've been bitching about new plugins for ages
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[03:13:00] simcop2387-vnc: i hate sponsored links onpages, i just got one that says "Open source software dirt cheap"
[03:13:00] hadees: Chutt, yeah but now i am paying for it
[03:13:00] Chutt: i dunno, maybe it's time to, say... try writing one?
[03:14:00] Chutt: yeah, $30 pays for a hell of a lot of development time
[03:14:00] Kyler: Got to go...I'll report back on my mobile viewer sometime...I'm rsyncing file #238 of 241...
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[03:15:00] juski: night all
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[03:16:00] xris: Chutt: it's amazing how much work people will do for so little when it's "off the clock
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[03:16:00] Chutt: heh
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[03:16:00] xris: I mean, I make well over $30/hour, but I'd probably spend a few days adding new features to some of my programs if someone offered me $30 cash.
[03:16:00] Chutt: xris, one of the big reasons i don't take donations is because i don't want people bitching that they sent me $5 and now i have to spend hours on their issues
[03:17:00] xris: Chutt: makes sense
[03:17:00] xris: I just call it "thanks for what I got".. not "I'm paying you for something I want"
[03:17:00] Chutt: see, if someone offered me $30 to add some stuff, i'd just laugh at them
[03:17:00] xris: well, depending on what it was.
[03:18:00] xris: I mean, $30 to do something I was going to do anyway is still $30
[03:18:00] mishehu: depends on what it is no?
[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: My company whores me out for $1800USD a day, so that's my going rate :)
[03:18:00] Chutt: which has been done before, so
[03:18:00] Chutt: some kid in college had this big huge list of features he wanted added for about a grand
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[03:19:00] Chutt: and he'd "loan" me some hardware if necessary
[03:19:00] xris: heh
[03:19:00] Chutt: i just replied 'that's insulting', and ended the conversation =)
[03:19:00] xris: lol
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[03:30:00] dampjam: when I try to compile to plugins I get: CPU you selected does not support x86–64 instruction set – is there a known work around?
[03:30:00] Chutt: use current svn
[03:31:00] Chutt: and make sure you compile and install mythtv, first.
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[03:34:00] ** xris kicks stupid windows networking for not working with files > 2G **
[03:35:00] dampjam: nfs is your friend
[03:35:00] xris: dampjam: any recommendations for a good nfs client for windows? never been able to find one
[03:36:00] dampjam: or you can open up the 3G file in a hex editor, write down everything, and then type it back in on the other computer
[03:36:00] dampjam: :)
[03:36:00] dampjam: xris: it's slower but I usually just scp large files – or I sftp
[03:36:00] xris: except that there's no scp on the windows box
[03:36:00] Chutt: pscp
[03:37:00] xris: ah, could do that.
[03:37:00] dampjam: xris: cygwin also works, and if you add the environment variables, you can use it from the command line
[03:37:00] xris: vlc seems to be playing the file now
[03:37:00] xris: dampjam: I don't want to install a ton of stuff on my wife's box, either.
[03:38:00] dampjam: she'll like it – all women do
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[03:38:00] dampjam: xris: just yesterday my girlfriend was like, oh cygwin, so hot so enjoyable
[03:39:00] dampjam: ok I lied, I don't have a girlfriend, but if I did have one she would say that
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[03:42:00] xris: any advanced vim users in here?
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[03:46:00] ol_schoola: xris: try WinSCP- works great, less filling, plays nice with putty and it's stable of tools
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[03:46:00] Mrgoose: anyone know anything bout lirc?
[03:47:00] xris: ol_schoola: other issue is that the particular machine is locked down really tight with keys... but I'll work around it.
[03:48:00] ol_schoola: it handles keys wonderfully
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[03:50:00] xris: ol_schoola: I know. but I'm not about to spend the time creating keys for my wife's windows box just so she can watch bsg
[03:52:00] ol_schoola: xris: bsg?
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[03:55:00] ol_schoola: i'm ready to kick the cat across the room, jk ...
[03:56:00] xris: battlestar gallactica
[03:57:00] ol_schoola: ... just moved across town and lost HD from the A2PC card. the Sencore tells me i got beautiful ATSC, very low bit error, antenna is kicking good signals
[03:57:00] mchou: the sencore? what's that?
[03:58:00] mchou: is that some sort of hdtv signal analyzer?
[03:58:00] ol_schoola: so i look at my channel table – everuything looks good, backend just reports unable to tune
[03:58:00] ol_schoola: mchou: used for cable and off-air testing
[03:58:00] mchou: so myth-setup doesnt rescan sucessfully?
[03:58:00] Mrgoose: how do i see if mythtv support was compiled into my install? Im using .18.1
[03:59:00] mchou: Mrgoose: huh??
[03:59:00] Mrgoose: i mean lirc support
[03:59:00] mchou: lol
[03:59:00] mchou: ldd ought to tell ya :)
[03:59:00] Mrgoose: ldd?
[03:59:00] ol_schoola: mchou: yes, BUT, it kicked out different mplex, service and atscsrcid nums
[03:59:00] mchou: maybe....
[04:00:00] mchou: ol_schoola: it's supposed to :)
[04:00:00] mchou: if the freqs have changed :)
[04:00:00] ol_schoola: havden't changed, still pointing at the sears and hancock
[04:00:00] Mrgoose: mchou: in lircrc for each command where it says prog = irextent do i change that to mythtv?
[04:00:00] mchou: Mrgoose: no
[04:01:00] Mrgoose: hmm
[04:01:00] mchou: Mrgoose: sorry, that wasnt meant for you.
[04:01:00] Mrgoose: is there anyway to tell if lirc support was compiled in?
[04:01:00] Mrgoose: oh
[04:01:00] mchou: I just said use ldd.
[04:01:00] Mrgoose: yea i typed ldd
[04:01:00] mchou: so?
[04:01:00] Mrgoose: what im askin is how do i use it?
[04:01:00] mchou: man ldd
[04:02:00] Mrgoose: so ldd mythfrontend?
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: ldd /path/to/mythfrontend
[04:03:00] mchou: ol_schoola: what's the big deal anyways on those fields?
[04:03:00] Mrgoose: i do see liblirc_cilent.so.0 so that would mean support is compiled in right?
[04:03:00] mchou: Mrgoose: most likely.
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[04:03:00] Mrgoose: when i run irw command and press buttons on my remote the buttons show up but remote doesn't work in mythtv
[04:04:00] ol_schoola: mchou: still couldn't tune so i ran across hdtvscan2dd.pl and give it a try after creating a bogus card to scan with
[04:04:00] mchou: ol_schoola: so?
[04:05:00] mchou: ol_schoola: you saying that didnt work?
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[04:07:00] ol_schoola: tried using xris' (?) hdtvscan2dd.pl script but it broke right off the bag '"use" in line 25'
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[04:09:00] ol_schoola: now i have the "third" card with sourceid 3 (the pvr250 is 1, a2pc is 2) and somehow setup has rescanned/assigned the pvr to 2 and populated a bunch of new channids in the 2000 range
[04:10:00] ol_schoola: my question is this: if i just nuke the cards and lineups alltogether, what kind of pain am i facing to get my scheduled recordings to sync up to the new channel table?
[04:10:00] xris: ol_schoola: which "use" is broken?
[04:10:00] xris: those are usually pretty easy to fix.
[04:11:00] Mrgoose: when i run irw command and press buttons on my remote the buttons show up but remote doesn't work in mythtv
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[04:12:00] ol_schoola: hah, doesn't break now, go figger. it does kick "More than one 'datadirect' type sourceid was found. I don't support this yet."
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[04:16:00] ol_schoola: because my channel table is now pretty decrepit, my question stands – will i be able to remove all cards with setup, clean the channel talbe, re-add/scan the cards, and finally, remap my schedules to the new chanid's?
[04:22:00] tallonkrd: I get a "mythtv is already using all available inputs for recording" message whenever i try livetv with a 1 tuner single box install. I've tried dumping and reconfiguring my input and tuner prefs and nothing is actually recording.
[04:22:00] tallonkrd: anyone have any ideas?
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[04:25:00] Mrgoose: help help help me please
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[04:26:00] Riff-Raff: Mrgoose: is your lircd configured properly?
[04:26:00] Mrgoose: yea i download the .conf for my remote
[04:26:00] Riff-Raff: does the remove configuration match the codes you see in irw?
[04:26:00] Mrgoose: remove?
[04:26:00] Riff-Raff: remote
[04:27:00] Mrgoose: VolUp 0x0000000000005BA4
[04:27:00] Mrgoose: thats what one button in my lircd.conf says
[04:27:00] Mrgoose: when i press that same button in irw
[04:27:00] Mrgoose: it says
[04:27:00] Mrgoose: 00000000f708b748 00 VolUp PackBell
[04:28:00] Mrgoose: are they supposed to be the same?
[04:28:00] Riff-Raff: I'm not sure but I think so
[04:29:00] Riff-Raff: also, try to do 'cat /dev/lircd' while pressing buttons
[04:29:00] atomjack: since i started using the latest head of myth from subversion, there's no way in the video browser to have it browse by directory – it just shows every single video instead of letting me navigate the directories – is there something i missed to re-enable this?
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[04:38:00] tallonkrd: i dont know what to do with this problem
[04:38:00] tallonkrd: it worked
[04:39:00] tallonkrd: then it stopped
[04:39:00] tallonkrd: everything is configured correctly
[04:39:00] Hoxzer: :D
[04:39:00] Hoxzer: this is spooky thing
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[04:42:00] tallonkrd: this is crap
[04:43:00] tallonkrd: it worked for a year
[04:43:00] atomjack: hmm that's weird, it just started doin that outta nowhere?
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: i upgraded to .18.1
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: redid my config
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: it worked
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: i rebooted
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: it stopped working
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: modules are loaded
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: tvtime works
[04:44:00] tallonkrd: etc
[04:45:00] atomjack: hrm weird
[04:45:00] tallonkrd: i'm gonna try the old windows reboot trick
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[04:46:00] Mrgoose: does there have to be a link between your lircrc and somethin else?
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: i got it in /root
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: hi Mrgoose
[04:47:00] Mrgoose: whats up
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: .lircrc
[04:47:00] Mrgoose: mythtv seems to search for it in /root/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: it's good, still kickin
[04:47:00] Mrgoose: i cant get this shit working.
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: then create it there
[04:47:00] Mrgoose: when i type irw and press buttons they show up fine
[04:47:00] Mrgoose: but remote not working in mythtv
[04:47:00] defaultro|office: do this
[04:48:00] defaultro|office: strace mythfrontend and you will see where it is looking for
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[04:48:00] defaultro|office: where is your lircrc
[04:48:00] Mrgoose: its in /root/.mythtv/
[04:48:00] defaultro|office: and does mythfrontend really finds it?
[04:48:00] Mrgoose: yes
[04:49:00] defaultro|office: can you paste your lircrc to pastebin.com
[04:49:00] Mrgoose: ok
[04:50:00] Mrgoose: http://pastebin.com/333417
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: ok
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[04:50:00] defaultro|office: begin
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: prog = mythtv
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: button = ChannelUp
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: config = Up
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: repeat = 0
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: end
[04:50:00] Mrgoose: ?
[04:50:00] defaultro|office: yours is config = Key Up CurrentWindow
[04:51:00] defaultro|office: mine is just config = Up
[04:51:00] defaultro|office: mine is config = Left
[04:51:00] defaultro|office: yours is config = Key Left CurrentWindow
[04:51:00] defaultro|office: try removing Key and CurrentWindow
[04:51:00] defaultro|office: and restart mythfrontend
[04:52:00] defaultro|office: did you understand what I mean>
[04:52:00] defaultro|office: ?
[04:52:00] Mrgoose: yes
[04:52:00] Mrgoose: do i need to restart lircd too?
[04:52:00] defaultro|office: not really
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: since mythtv has native lirc support
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: if you compiled it
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: did you?
[04:53:00] travolta: i think his current setup is set to not use the native lirc in mythtv but generic
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: let's wait for his answer
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: if you didn't compile the native lirc support, yes, you need to restart lircd
[04:53:00] travolta: why are you running as root?
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: more priority
[04:53:00] Mrgoose: no .18.1 seems to have native lirc built in to it as theres no option to add it when you compile
[04:53:00] Mrgoose: there's only the option to disable it
[04:53:00] defaultro|office: bam
[04:54:00] defaultro|office: so restart mythfrontend
[04:54:00] defaultro|office: and tell us :)
[04:54:00] travolta: you need the file lircrc in ~/.mythtv/ and a sym link to ~/.lircrc
[04:54:00] Mrgoose: ahh
[04:54:00] defaultro|office: yeah, i have the .lircrc too
[04:54:00] Mrgoose: so just ln -s /root/.mythtv/lircrc /root/.lircrc
[04:55:00] defaultro|office: noped
[04:55:00] defaultro|office: you alsmost got it
[04:55:00] defaultro|office: add mythtv too
[04:55:00] Mrgoose: what?
[04:55:00] defaultro|office: ln -s /root/.mythtv/lircrc /root/.mythtv/.lircrc
[04:55:00] travolta: no man
[04:56:00] travolta: its in ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc (both same file)
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: nope
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: that's different dude
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: open up eyes :D
[04:56:00] Mrgoose: so travolta so ln -s /root/.mythtv/lircrc /root/.lircrc
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: .lircrc is diff from lircrc
[04:56:00] travolta: different for what?
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: .lircrc is hidden
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: look again
[04:56:00] travolta: i dont know the syntax to ln
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: no, it's not ln
[04:56:00] defaultro|office: ln is fine
[04:57:00] defaultro|office: but you were sayying it was the same
[04:57:00] defaultro|office: ln -s /root/.mythtv/lircrc /root/.mythtv/.lircrc
[04:57:00] defaultro|office: look at that line again
[04:57:00] defaultro|office: it's toatally different
[04:57:00] Mrgoose: defaultro|office: well i didn't have to create a link at all
[04:57:00] Mrgoose: changing that thingy to Up
[04:57:00] Mrgoose: worked
[04:57:00] defaultro|office: ;)
[04:58:00] defaultro|office: so i was correct too MrGoose
[04:58:00] Mrgoose: pastebin your lircrc so i can see what the real button names are
[04:58:00] defaultro|office: say defaultro, you are correct
[04:58:00] defaultro|office: lol
[04:58:00] Mrgoose: cool
[04:58:00] Mrgoose: what was the link for anyway? whats the purpose of that?
[04:59:00] defaultro|office: travolta might be right too
[04:59:00] defaultro|office: but the fix i told you earlier fixed it
[04:59:00] defaultro|office: so no worries
[04:59:00] defaultro|office: here is mine, http://pastebin.com/333422
[04:59:00] travolta: it was my understanding that the ~/.lircrc file is for irexec and having it in ~/.mythtv/lircrc is for mythtv
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[05:00:00] defaultro|office: might be, i'm brain dead right now
[05:01:00] defaultro|office: MrGoose, did you see it?
[05:01:00] Mrgoose: yea thanks
[05:01:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:01:00] defaultro|office: have fun
[05:01:00] hadees: anyone know how to fix a grounding problem with coax cable with out calling the cable company?
[05:01:00] Mrgoose: is there anyway to get rid of the rolling transparent scan lines that show up on my tvout?
[05:01:00] Mrgoose: they are really faint
[05:01:00] defaultro|office: no idea
[05:02:00] hadees: Mrgoose, hey try unhooking the coax cables from your TV
[05:02:00] defaultro|office: hadees, there a device that you can buy called ground loop
[05:02:00] hadees: Mrgoose, that sounds exactly like the problem i am tryign to get rid of
[05:02:00] ol_schoola: ground loop isolation transformer
[05:02:00] defaultro|office: badabing
[05:02:00] Mrgoose: hadees: did that work for you?
[05:02:00] defaultro|office: thanks ol_schoola :D
[05:02:00] hadees: Mrgoose, removing the coax cable did
[05:02:00] hadees: but i still have it on my backend
[05:03:00] hadees: because coax goes into it and thats where the issue is
[05:03:00] defaultro|office: will it be tougher to setup if i add another hdtv card to my existing air2pc card?
[05:03:00] ol_schoola: try using a 3–2 prong adapter on the display as well, just to help identify the loop
[05:03:00] hadees: defaultro|office, don't see why it would be
[05:03:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:03:00] ol_schoola: don't leave it in there though
[05:03:00] hadees: 3–2?
[05:03:00] defaultro|office: haven't had any experience configuring mythtv with 2nd card
[05:04:00] defaultro|office: so does mythtv all the magic when choosing channels to record?
[05:04:00] defaultro|office: so does mythtv do all the magic .......
[05:04:00] ol_schoola: in the US, we have 3 wire and 2 wire outlets, adapter lets you lift the ground
[05:04:00] ol_schoola: to use a 3 wire cord in a 2 wire outlet
[05:04:00] defaultro|office: or do we tell mythtv to use card1 to record this movie when it conflicts?
[05:05:00] hadees: defaultro|office, either mythtv will just look for the first free card or you can set certain cards above other ones
[05:05:00] Mrgoose: cool hadees
[05:05:00] hadees: so it tries to choose them first
[05:05:00] defaultro|office: ah ok
[05:05:00] Mrgoose: but what if i want to watch tv straight to my television and not using mythtv
[05:05:00] ol_schoola: automagically has been my experience default
[05:06:00] hadees: Mrgoose, well we are talking about that right now
[05:06:00] defaultro|office: so that means, if i have 2 cards installed, mythtv knows what to do if assuming I set up a recording of 2 shows at the same time on a different channel?
[05:06:00] hadees: defaultro|office, yup
[05:06:00] defaultro|office: that's lovely
[05:06:00] Mrgoose: could you just get a coaxial splitter that has a switch on it?
[05:07:00] defaultro|office: so it will not tell me anymore that there;s a conflict, right?
[05:07:00] Mrgoose: i think that will work
[05:07:00] ol_schoola: splitter will not remove the stray voltage in the ground loop
[05:07:00] Chutt: just ground the splitter.
[05:08:00] ol_schoola: get the cable box, display, cpu, receiver, anything else in the A/V chain all on the same ideally, dedicated) circuit from the lectric panel
[05:08:00] Chutt: receiver should be separate circuit, unless you've got a shitty one =)
[05:08:00] ol_schoola: be very certain that the cable line is hard grounded with an arrestor block at the building penetration, preferable direct to the lectric meter
[05:08:00] ol_schoola: are you in the US/?
[05:08:00] hadees: ol_schoola, what do you think putting a ground loop isolation transformer before a coax amp or possibly between the apm and the 8-way spliter
[05:09:00] ** defaultro|office wants to know the performance and quality of the latest svn trunk. What do you think guys? **
[05:09:00] hadees: Chutt, what do you suggest i ground it too? doesn't it need to run into the ground? i live on a 3rd floor
[05:09:00] ol_schoola: put the transformer between the coax and the cable box (or tuner card)
[05:10:00] hadees: ol_schoola, i am in the US
[05:10:00] defaultro|office: hadees, i put grounding outside the house
[05:10:00] Chutt: i've got everything in a wiring cabinet
[05:10:00] hadees: defaultro|office, yeah but don't you need metal running into the ground, i am on the 3rd floor, i don't think i have any metal going there
[05:10:00] ol_schoola: ok, my advice stands — fwiw, i solve ground loop probs almost every day
[05:10:00] defaultro|office: :)
[05:10:00] Chutt: the first 1->2 splitter is grounded to the cabinet
[05:11:00] Chutt: which is hooked into the house wiring
[05:11:00] Chutt: solved my ground loop issue nicely
[05:11:00] ol_schoola: NEC calls for an arrestor ground at the penetration, outside the building
[05:11:00] defaultro|office: what about this, http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog . . . Fid=15%2D909
[05:11:00] hadees: Chutt, how was is wired ito the house? did you hook up a coax to a plug
[05:11:00] defaultro|office: i have this outside my house
[05:12:00] ol_schoola: default: that's an arrestor
[05:12:00] defaultro|office: oh ok
[05:12:00] defaultro|office: how many % is my tv safe?
[05:12:00] Chutt: well, there's an outlet in the cabinet
[05:12:00] defaultro|office: is it still 50/50?
[05:12:00] ol_schoola: use one of these: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/datashts/vrd1ff.pdf
[05:13:00] defaultro|office: what do you think w/ the one i have?
[05:13:00] defaultro|office: will it save my tv from lightning?
[05:14:00] ol_schoola: it'll help divert the impulse to ground but you need a surge arrestor for max protection
[05:14:00] ol_schoola: i can't recall a make/model, we use em for everything RF — sats, cable, FM....
[05:15:00] ol_schoola: you can use a quality surge surpressor unit with broadband RF surge protection (Panamax MC-8c, Furman, etc...avoid Monster like the plague
[05:16:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:16:00] hadees: ol_schoola, does jensen-transformers sell in individual or bulk
[05:17:00] defaultro|office: so surge arrestor will prevent lighting from going in to my tv right?
[05:17:00] hadees: ol_schoola, i thought moster was good just overpriced
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[05:17:00] defaultro|office: i didn't find any Panamax MC-8c from google
[05:18:00] ol_schoola: bzzzzt ... just overpriced. they occaidsionally put out a good piece here or there but most always J U N K
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[05:18:00] ol_schoola: they are the Blose(tm) of interconnects, power, and now <gasp> speakers
[05:19:00] hadees: ol_schoola, so what about jensen-transformers, can i order just 1 from them
[05:19:00] ol_schoola: Panamax has a great demo — rep walks in with a Panny, a mMonster and a step-up transformer
[05:19:00] defaultro|office: is surge arrestor the same as lightning arrestor?
[05:19:00] ol_schoola: fires them up to over 300vac and runs the Monster over to the fire exit and throws the smoldering hunk out the door
[05:20:00] defaultro|office: lol
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[05:20:00] ol_schoola: typically, yes. the link you sent me was a grounding block, i may have called it an arrestor, it is not
[05:20:00] defaultro|office: is it this one, http://www.salestores1.com/panamax1.html
[05:21:00] defaultro|office: or Furman is better? which brand do you recommend?
[05:22:00] defaultro|office: i want to protect my mythtv box since we have some strong lightnings here in our area
[05:22:00] mishehu: ugh
[05:22:00] defaultro|office: i always see trees gets hit by lightning
[05:22:00] ol_schoola: you'll find the most appropriate one on this link http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=2&sec=group
[05:22:00] defaultro|office: k
[05:23:00] mishehu: I hate it when I can't get the fglrx drivers to work... hell, I get (II) fglrx(0): [DRI] installation complete in the log, but it shows rendering is done by mesa indirect.
[05:23:00] ol_schoola: for the definitive white paper on grounding, loops, hum, buzz, balanced/unbalanced, refer to Bill Whitlock's whitepaper at http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/ts_guide.pdf
[05:23:00] defaultro|office: so ol_schoola, that means that even if this device is inside the house, I can still protect my tv when lightning hits my external antenna?
[05:25:00] ol_schoola: i've taken his class at a CEDIA show years and years ago. best training class ever. i thought i knew everything to know about grounding probs but he still wizened me up. took the same class again two years ago it was so good.
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[05:26:00] defaultro|office: sure, i'll read that link later
[05:26:00] ol_schoola: asdefault: as long as you have it grounded to the panel or the main water at the point of entry, outside to meter is best
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[05:26:00] defaultro|office: yeah, that's what I have
[05:26:00] defaultro|office: grounded to my pipe
[05:27:00] defaultro|office: and am using 12 awg
[05:27:00] defaultro|office: don't know if it's enough
[05:27:00] ol_schoola: you'll be good. just make sure you use a quality surge suppressor, only the Panamax, Furman's and a few other boutique (Grey's) units are sacrificial with trelays so that they completely drop the load when truly unsafe conditions are met
[05:28:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:28:00] defaultro|office: I will doublecheck my grounding again outside tomorrow
[05:28:00] ol_schoola: we use 10awg for short runs, 8 for over 15 feet
[05:28:00] defaultro|office: but i'm sure that there is
[05:28:00] defaultro|office: ok, i can buy a solid 10 tom
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[05:29:00] defaultro|office: now, it's scary outside, st Peter is using his digital camera
[05:29:00] defaultro|office: tons of flashes and thunder, lol
[05:30:00] defaultro|office: look at what I found, http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=2&a . . . =85&ly=v
[05:30:00] defaultro|office: looks like that's what i need to protect my investment
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[05:31:00] defaultro|office: look at what they wrote there, $5,000,000 Connected Equipment Protection Policy
[05:31:00] defaultro|office: it might be true then
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[05:31:00] defaultro|office: does it affect the quality of the broadcast signal?
[05:32:00] defaultro|office: hmmm, looks like the coax ports are not for lightning protection
[05:32:00] ol_schoola: not at all
[05:33:00] defaultro|office: what do you mean?
[05:34:00] ol_schoola: won't affect the quality at all, the arrestuing (grounding) block outside will do the heavy lifting, the surpressor will clean up the stray from lightning
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[05:35:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:35:00] ol_schoola: in the upper left of this pic is the grounding arrestor/surpressors we use http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=s . . . ident=537490
[05:35:00] defaultro|office: i'm still worried that lightning might make it through the cable
[05:35:00] ol_schoola: i (and my technician pictured here) inherited this wall of shame from a new customer
[05:35:00] defaultro|office: so i like to shut off the lightning before it hits my air2pc card
[05:36:00] defaultro|office: that's what i was hoping the device would be
[05:36:00] ol_schoola: we have to refit that entire wall and two more adjacent. you can see a standard M8 panny protecting the whole-house sat receiver and modulator
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[05:37:00] MrSpiffy: yo!
[05:37:00] MrSpiffy: quick question – I had to rebuild my frontend
[05:37:00] MrSpiffy: re-install os and all
[05:37:00] MrSpiffy: can I get back my settings for that machine?
[05:37:00] MrSpiffy: I tweaked the hell ou of it
[05:38:00] ol_schoola: that reminds me default, i just moved and have to ground the existing attic antenna i patched into. kicka$$ signal from a 40 year old winegard and equally ancient preamp.
[05:38:00] ol_schoola: Spiffy: did you dump the DB before nuking?
[05:38:00] defaultro|office: assuming i connecting my external coax cable to this panny, and the other out interface to my air2pc, will my air2pc be safe if lightning hits the external cable?
[05:38:00] MrSpiffy: no
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: just the frntend was nuked
[05:39:00] hadees: MrSpiffy, is it frontend only
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: not the backend
[05:39:00] defaultro|office: assuming i connected .......
[05:39:00] hadees: MrSpiffy, depends on the settings, like mythmusic is gone
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: display
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[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: theme
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: using vo
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: size
[05:39:00] MrSpiffy: all the settings
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[05:39:00] hadees: Mrgoose, i don't know, most likely not if it is gone
[05:40:00] hadees: already
[05:40:00] hadees: MrSpiffy,
[05:40:00] hadees: sorry
[05:40:00] MrSpiffy: damn
[05:40:00] hadees: only the backend stuff would be left on the backend mysql
[05:40:00] hadees: so your recordings schedules should be okay
[05:41:00] ol_schoola: default: there are no guarantees, this is Mother Nature we're taliking about here but doing it the way we discussed will give you the most protection possible. enough protection that i don't worry about it – ever
[05:41:00] MrSpiffy: but the frontend settings are wiped?
[05:41:00] MrSpiffy: that botes
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[05:41:00] ol_schoola: nothing is gonna protect you from a direct strike to the cable just outside your, tho.
[05:41:00] MrSpiffy: damn
[05:41:00] MrSpiffy: damn damn
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[05:41:00] hadees: ol_schoola, lighting rod?
[05:42:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:42:00] defaultro|office: but i know the consequences
[05:42:00] defaultro|office: but i would like to know what panamax is claiming on their coax port
[05:43:00] defaultro|office: are they protecting their outlet on the device they're selling or they also protect the device connected to the coax?
[05:43:00] ol_schoola: a seperate lightning rod can help and can hurt, depends on the circumstances, rmember each rod will create a new and unique ground path and introduce a new variable into the ground loop equaytion
[05:43:00] ol_schoola: default: they have surpressor inline with the coax connections
[05:44:00] defaultro|office: on that equipment i showed to you?
[05:44:00] ol_schoola: which equipment?
[05:44:00] defaultro|office: http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=2&a . . . =85&ly=v
[05:45:00] defaultro|office: that's the exact device i want to buy
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[05:46:00] ol_schoola: specs show clamping at .7v so, yes
[05:47:00] defaultro|office: that's cool that it will protect it but don't know what .7v meant :)
[05:48:00] defaultro|office: i will drop by the authorized store tomorrow
[05:48:00] defaultro|office: i'm sure that if that happens, it will fry my linux box and prbably my hdtv
[05:48:00] Mrgoose: hadees
[05:48:00] Mrgoose: figure anything out
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[05:49:00] ol_schoola: we mostly deal with the 5510's and 4400's for resi, Furman's for commercial and fixed audio installs, Middle Atlantic for rack installs
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[05:49:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:49:00] defaultro|office: 5510 is from panny right?
[05:51:00] ol_schoola: yep, if you want to protect the media center/theatre, i'd suggest a 4300 — list is 199 but can be found for much less, just make sure it's an authorized dealer, Pananmax is real tight about that
[05:52:00] defaultro|office: ok
[05:52:00] defaultro|office: you're not from panamax, are you :)
[05:53:00] ol_schoola: good luck with that. one of these days ima going to add a page of links to all this grounding, ground loop, proper RF distributoin to the mythinfo site
[05:54:00] defaultro|office: cool
[05:54:00] ol_schoola: nope, just sell a hella lot of it (and Furman, and MA, and Richard Greys, homebrew)
[05:54:00] defaultro|office: i found 5510 but it was $1499.95
[05:55:00] defaultro|office: http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=1&a . . . 260&ly=h
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[05:55:00] defaultro|office: looks like that's not the one you're talking about
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[05:55:00] ol_schoola: no, the 4300 is what would do your setup some justoice, and look nice in the stack, too.
[05:55:00] Tarcastil: hey, anyone know if mythtv will work with the Toshiba TV Tuner?
[05:57:00] defaultro|office: so the 4300 has the feature of the device i want to buy right? the $49 ishowed to you earlier, .7v
[05:58:00] defaultro|office:
[05:58:00] defaultro|office: maximum protection for audio/video
[05:58:00] defaultro|office: equipment with external signal connections
[05:58:00] defaultro|office: such as cable TV, rooftop antenna and DBS
[05:58:00] defaultro|office: satellite systems.
[05:58:00] ol_schoola: yes, one pair for cable (1Mhz bandwidth) and another for SAT (2MHz bw), one for Telco, 3 switched AC and 4 unswitched AC
[05:58:00] defaultro|office: rooftop antenna :)
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[05:58:00] ol_schoola: use either coax pair
[05:59:00] defaultro|office: yep
[05:59:00] defaultro|office: it's better to buy this product rather than buying a new hdtv
[05:59:00] ol_schoola: no sh*t
[06:00:00] defaultro|office: it might destroy my ht equipment w/c cost like $3–4k
[06:00:00] keith: anyone in here use xine for mythdvd?
[06:00:00] defaultro|office: i have i can monitor this device via linux console, lol
[06:00:00] defaultro|office: oops
[06:00:00] defaultro|office: i hope i can monitor.......
[06:01:00] ol_schoola: APC makes a new home theatre UPS with balanced power design (buzzword alert) which can let you monitor
[06:01:00] ol_schoola: Furman too
[06:02:00] ol_schoola: at a bare minimum, we slap one of these http://www.furmansound.com/products/internati . . . /ac-210e.php behind every flat panel display were we cannot run a hard AC line back to the equipment rack
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[06:02:00] defaultro|office: i bought an apc surge protector for $29
[06:02:00] defaultro|office: don't know if it really protects my pcs
[06:02:00] mchou: how much mAH?
[06:02:00] defaultro|office: hmmm, it's says BACKUP -UPS
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: i got it during thanksgiving
[06:03:00] ol_schoola: those, like most others, will not disconnect the load when it can no longer protect (clamp) the voltage
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: Backup-UPS ES
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: lol, i thought, i didn't have any UPS
[06:03:00] mchou: dude, link?
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: it's got coax too
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: let me find the product
[06:03:00] defaultro|office: crawling underneath my cube
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[06:03:00] defaultro|office: backup us es 725
[06:03:00] ol_schoola: it goes to max clamping, the varistors fry, and the badness goes down the line
[06:04:00] defaultro|office: this is it, http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=21
[06:04:00] defaultro|office: that;s exactly it
[06:04:00] defaultro|office: can you verify it for me please?
[06:05:00] mchou: sigh....
[06:05:00] mchou: That's probably a joke.
[06:05:00] ol_schoola: here's the APC i was referring too http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=310
[06:05:00] defaultro|office: what do you think with the one i have?
[06:06:00] mchou: defaultro|office: that's the 500VA model?
[06:06:00] defaultro|office: 725
[06:06:00] defaultro|office: i got it for $29 after mail in rebate :D
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[06:06:00] ol_schoola: the 725 is under my desk right now, works great as a UPS, will smoke and fry from a direct strike, tho
[06:07:00] defaultro: oh ok, lol
[06:07:00] defaultro: i haven't seen this work yet
[06:07:00] mchou: defaultro: it's probably better than nothing
[06:07:00] ol_schoola: unplug it
[06:07:00] defaultro: are all the ports in UPS?
[06:07:00] mchou: but no serial control?
[06:07:00] defaultro: checking
[06:08:00] ol_schoola: has a data cable, RJ-45 on one end, USB on the other
[06:08:00] defaultro: nope
[06:08:00] defaultro: just coax and outlets
[06:08:00] mchou: ok, that's not too bad for $30
[06:08:00] ol_schoola: half the ports are surge/battery, half surge
[06:08:00] defaultro: wait
[06:08:00] defaultro: i was wrong
[06:08:00] defaultro: there is data port
[06:08:00] ol_schoola: under the telco is a third rj45, that's the data port
[06:08:00] mchou: usb is a bit silly.
[06:08:00] defaultro: and 2 rj11
[06:08:00] defaultro: no usb
[06:09:00] defaultro: it was dark and facing sideways
[06:09:00] defaultro: that's why i didnt see it
[06:09:00] defaultro: i saw it now, just beside the coaxs
[06:09:00] ol_schoola: the data port that looks like an ethernet jack is USB
[06:09:00] defaultro: are all the outlets controlled by UPS?
[06:09:00] ol_schoola: half
[06:09:00] defaultro: huh
[06:09:00] defaultro: really
[06:10:00] defaultro: usb has a different interface
[06:11:00] ol_schoola: typically, yes, but you can run USB through an rj-45 connector, the cable should have come with it
[06:11:00] defaultro: mine didn't have :(
[06:11:00] defaultro: oh
[06:11:00] defaultro: now i remember
[06:11:00] ol_schoola: APC is great about getting parts, give em a call
[06:11:00] defaultro: i was wondering where i got a usb on one end and rj45 on the other end
[06:12:00] defaultro: ah, that's it then
[06:12:00] defaultro: it's color black
[06:12:00] ol_schoola: yup
[06:12:00] defaultro: i have it
[06:12:00] keith: anyone here use xine for mythtv?
[06:12:00] keith: i mean mythdvd?
[06:12:00] ol_schoola: ima afk for awhile...
[06:13:00] defaultro: and based from their manual, it's for management
[06:13:00] ol_schoola: in windows, the power mgmt control panel sees it automagically, just plug it in and watch it kick in gear
[06:14:00] defaultro: bam
[06:14:00] defaultro: looking for that cable now
[06:14:00] defaultro: however, it might be useful if i connect it to linux since it's my firewall and gateway
[06:14:00] defaultro: i mean, freebsd
[06:17:00] defaultro: bam, i found the cable :D
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[06:18:00] defaultro: it just used 5 pins
[06:18:00] defaultro: and it has 9 pins
[06:18:00] defaultro: it almost looks like an Rj45
[06:18:00] defaultro: 10 pins rather
[06:19:00] defaultro: my XP found the new hardware, lol
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[06:23:00] defaultro: hey ol_schoola, thanks for the info tonight. They were very helpful ;)
[06:27:00] atomjack: keith:i do
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[06:29:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: night guys
[06:29:00] ol_schoola: no problem, like i said, i'll put together a wiki page at mythinfo when i get a round tuit.
[06:30:00] atomjack: woohoo, my backend is up to almost 1TB of total space:D
[06:30:00] ol_schoola: your a myth junkie atomjack
[06:30:00] atomjack: well it's not all myth....
[06:30:00] ol_schoola: jk
[06:30:00] atomjack: well, actually, i guess it is, mostly
[06:30:00] atomjack: heh
[06:31:00] ol_schoola: i'm looking at the Nextel crackberry right now
[06:31:00] ol_schoola: if only i could get OpenGroupware to talk to PocketPC based devices
[06:32:00] ol_schoola: iPaq + Nevo + OGo client would be killer
[06:32:00] ol_schoola: <sigh> just too much crap going on right now during our busiest quarter in years
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[06:33:00] atomjack: heh
[06:34:00] ol_schoola: gotta go finish redoing card setup and check the schedules .. night all
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[06:36:00] dampjam: Where does Mythtv store the mysql database password, I'm trying to setup a frontend and forgot it
[06:38:00] atomjack: mysql.txt
[06:38:00] atomjack: most likely in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:38:00] dampjam: thanks!
[06:39:00] atomjack: np
[06:40:00] EL_Whistey: Is there some easy hook to use to tell when mythtv is about to play something, or has finished playing something?
[06:40:00] ** xris kicks windows for its SUCKY handling of large files. **
[06:40:00] EL_Whistey: I'm thinking it would be nice to be able to turn screensaver on when the device is just sitting at a menu, and off when it goes into play mode.
[06:42:00] EL_Whistey: new windows xp, now it doesn't just suck for handling small files!
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[06:48:00] tallonkrd: does anyone know where mythtv stores it's preferences
[06:49:00] atomjack: the mysql db?
[06:49:00] EL_Whistey: in the settings table
[06:49:00] tallonkrd: i just unmerged and remerged and i still get the "Mythtv is already using all available inputs for recording" error
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[06:50:00] tallonkrd: so if i killed the database, maybe
[06:50:00] tallonkrd: hmm
[06:50:00] EL_Whistey: unmerged, remerged? does not compute.
[06:50:00] tallonkrd: gentoo
[06:51:00] EL_Whistey: ah. so many distros, so little time
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[06:51:00] tallonkrd: anyone know how i would delete the mythconverg database?
[06:51:00] tallonkrd: i suck at mysql
[06:51:00] xris: ok, now xine won't play it, either.
[06:51:00] EL_Whistey: carefully.
[06:52:00] tallonkrd: heh, thanks
[06:53:00] atomjack: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/
[06:53:00] tallonkrd: thanks
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[06:57:00] xris: anyone know how to manually control mplayer?
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: how do you mean?
[06:58:00] xris: as in ff/rw
[06:58:00] xris: I have a 2.8G avi I'm trying to watch, and gmplayer and xine both crap out
[06:58:00] xris: mplayer seems to work, but I can't ff, etc.
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: up/down?
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: or right/left
[06:59:00] Agrajag-: check your input.conf – that should have them
[06:59:00] Agrajag-: yeah my original /etc/mplayer/input.conf has RIGHT seek +10
[06:59:00] Agrajag-: LEFT seek -10
[07:00:00] xris: ahh.. "cannot seek in raw avi streams"
[07:00:00] xris: blech
[07:01:00] Agrajag-: you can start mplayer with some switch that builds something that lets you i think
[07:01:00] xris: yeah
[07:01:00] xris: trying that
[07:01:00] xris: it's just slow. big file
[07:01:00] xris: got through 2G of it in windows and then it crashed
[07:01:00] Agrajag-: -idx
[07:01:00] xris: yeah, it tells you to do that
[07:01:00] Agrajag-: yeah.. that does take ages
[07:01:00] xris: it died. lovely
[07:02:00] Agrajag-: i have an 'aviindex' which index's an avi then mplayer can use it
[07:02:00] Agrajag-: also i've had more luck with xine playing those kind of avi's
[07:02:00] xris: so do I
[07:04:00] xris: lovely. segfault at around 2G
[07:04:00] xris: ran out of memory.
[07:04:00] Agrajag-: :/ probably why it's not indexing it in the first place..
[07:05:00] xris: yup
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[07:08:00] xris: so much for hdtv being a good thing
[07:08:00] atomjack: hmm i have no problems with xine playing 4.3gb mkv/avi's
[07:09:00] Agrajag-: he got the file off a windows box though
[07:09:00] xris: atomjack: dunno. mine segfaults.
[07:09:00] Agrajag-: i think that's probably the issue :P
[07:09:00] xris: Agrajag-: no, just been trying to play it in windows, too
[07:09:00] atomjack: and does it play in windows? in mpc?
[07:09:00] xris: no
[07:10:00] atomjack: ahh..
[07:10:00] xris: played 2G of it in windows in vlc
[07:10:00] xris: that was the best I could get
[07:10:00] atomjack: mpc crashes on it?
[07:10:00] xris: mpc?
[07:10:00] atomjack: media player classic
[07:10:00] keith: hey xris- you know how to speed up xine for dvd playback? its what i use for mythdvd but its lagging afte rlike 2 minutes of playing
[07:10:00] xris: says "unknown codec"
[07:10:00] xris: keith: not a clue
[07:10:00] atomjack: what is it, an xvid?
[07:11:00] keith: thanks anyway xris
[07:11:00] atomjack: or if you don't know, get the matroska tools (with mmg, the mkvmerge gui) and drop the avi into it, it will show what codec the video is
[07:12:00] xris: atomjack: yes. and other xvid files work fine
[07:12:00] atomjack: oh ..hmm
[07:12:00] atomjack: then must be the file
[07:12:00] xris: wait, someone else uses the name mmg? damn. my multimedia grabber may need a new name
[07:12:00] atomjack: xris, eh, it's just mmg.exe
[07:12:00] atomjack: i wouldn't worry about it
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[07:13:00] xris: atomjack: I don't care about my pr0n-grabber, anyway. just think it's funny
[07:13:00] atomjack: hehe
[07:13:00] xris: only one user that I know of, anyway... insane guy who set it to download "all"
[07:13:00] xris: kormoc has weird friends
[07:13:00] atomjack: what is it?
[07:14:00] xris: http://forevermore.net/perl.php
[07:14:00] xris: mmg
[07:14:00] kormoc: hehe
[07:14:00] kormoc: yeah...
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[07:31:00] dampjam: I get the error, "Could not connect to the master backend server --Is it running Is the ip address set for it in the setup program correct", does this mean it can connect to the mysql database?
[07:31:00] dampjam: and where can I look at those settings
[07:31:00] ** xris grumbles about large file support and corrupt files and windows and .... **
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[07:35:00] xris: man, avisplit doesn't even work
[07:37:00] Chutt: heh
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[07:41:00] Atamido: I just configured 2 identical systems on dell.com and they are $300 different.
[07:41:00] Chutt: that's all?
[07:41:00] Chutt: i've seen up to $1000 difference
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[07:42:00] Atamido: I configured one 7 hours ago.
[07:42:00] Atamido: All of the same deals.
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[07:43:00] pirre: Atamido: night-order-rebate maybe? :)
[07:43:00] Atamido: The one from this afternoon is cheaper.
[07:44:00] pirre: oh
[07:49:00] mchou: Chutt: you ever boot ia32 kernel on your asus sli deluse, by any chance?
[07:49:00] mchou: deluxe*
[07:49:00] Atamido: I hope encoding low bitrate audio is cache intensive because I just paid an extra $150USD to move from a 2.8Ghz w/ 1mb to a 3.0Ghz w/ 2mb cache.
[07:49:00] Chutt: nope
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[07:51:00] mchou: Chutt: so is "everything" you run on that system x86_64 native, or there are still programs that use 32bit compatibility?
[07:52:00] Chutt: i've got a 32bit chroot
[07:52:00] mchou: ok. fair enough.
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[07:58:00] dampjam: Can a version missmatch between a frontend and a backend cause a lot of problems?
[07:58:00] Chutt: yup
[07:58:00] dampjam: Enough problems I should wipe the database and then upgrade them all to the same version?
[07:58:00] Chutt: nope
[07:58:00] dampjam: Enough problems I should really upgrade the lowest one to the highest common denominator?
[07:58:00] dampjam: :)
[07:59:00] Chutt: yup
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[08:00:00] Tarcastil: hey, anyone know if mythtv will work with the Toshiba TV Tuner?
[08:01:00] mchou: why does this question keep on coming up repeatedly?
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[09:17:00] fatmatt: whats the toshiba tv tuner?
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[09:48:00] XAD: ... another raining day...
[09:50:00] pirre: which means another perfect day for sitting inside by your computer
[09:50:00] pirre: ^_^
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[10:33:00] gunerh: <gunerh> hello there
[10:33:00] gunerh: <gunerh> i want to do a first installation of mythtv.. which operating system is well supported
[10:33:00] gunerh: <gunerh> i will have 4–6 tv cards on a box .. recording .. tv channless 24/7
[10:33:00] directhex|work: <directhex|work> 4–6 cards? what type of card??
[10:34:00] gunerh: broktree
[10:34:00] gunerh: tv cards
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[10:34:00] directhex|work: bt8x8 analog cards? hope you're planning on the mother of powerful CPUs
[10:35:00] gunerh: no hardware limit ..
[10:35:00] gunerh: i will buy the best one
[10:35:00] gunerh: which trade marks do u suggest
[10:35:00] gunerh: for motherboards .. and cpu
[10:36:00] directhex|work: for recording six analog streams? the biggest, most expensive kit you can buy, i would think
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[10:37:00] gunerh: i will do continuous capturing controlled on console ..
[10:37:00] gunerh: which operating system do you suggest.
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[10:37:00] gunerh: i will start today for the tests
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[10:39:00] directhex|work: if you want to do capture without using mythtv, why ask in here?
[10:39:00] gunerh: no i will do it with mythtv's
[10:39:00] gunerh: scripts
[10:39:00] gunerh: i will not use any other one
[10:40:00] directhex|work: and since mythtv backends only work on linux, why are you asking which os to use? linux, obviously
[10:40:00] gunerh: directhex|worksimply what is your operating system u have had a success in installing mythtv ..
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[10:41:00] directhex|work: my mythtv machine runs debian linux 3.1
[10:41:00] gunerh: i will try for the first time .. i want to have least headache s
[10:41:00] directhex|work: for least headaches, try a distro like knoppmyth
[10:42:00] gunerh: hmmm
[10:47:00] XAD: gunerh, I would also suggest knoppmyth as it has debian + mythtv + all packages needed... but for a production system you probably want to be able to maintain it yourself and then you might want to go for a regular installation + mythtv added... (KnoppMyth is based on Knoppix, which is based on Debian, ... )
[10:48:00] directhex|work: many people would recommend fedora on that count, due to some suposedly useful howto some guy wrote
[10:48:00] directhex|work: personally, i would rather eat a cactus than run something rpm based in my home
[10:49:00] gunerh: will gentoo have any advantages over debian ..
[10:49:00] XAD: if you want to use PVR150/500 you still need to (should) install the latest unstable tvtv 0.3.x... but it's very easy... 6 cards can be pretty tuff so you might want to go for PVR500 as it has dual tuners...
[10:50:00] gunerh: i want to sue broktree cards... pr saa philips cards ...
[10:50:00] EL_Whistey: Upgraded to latest svn or whatever it is
[10:50:00] directhex|work: six bt8x8 cards, all software encoding, will kill any system
[10:50:00] XAD: KnoppMyth is very easy to set up, thats why I would suggest it as a quick eval installation...
[10:50:00] EL_Whistey: You must really love TV.
[10:51:00] gunerh: nope ..
[10:51:00] EL_Whistey: Or work for some zionist anti-defamation league or something.
[10:51:00] gunerh: not for a personal drive
[10:51:00] XAD: you should use hardware encoding... but make sure the PCI bus will support all the data, if you have NIC and harddisk's also connected to the PCI bus...
[10:51:00] EL_Whistey: there's one that records *everything* in case someone says something nasty.
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[10:52:00] directhex|work: yes he should use hardware encoding. that much is obvious. but he seems insistant on using old cards
[10:52:00] XAD: hey, you know that Sony has a 7 TV-card with 1TB HD "retail" system??
[10:52:00] gunerh: will using PVR cards be too much advantegous ..
[10:53:00] directhex|work: using PVR cards will be massively worth your while, if you want that many cards
[10:53:00] directhex|work: hardware MPEG encoding is vital in a system that size
[10:53:00] XAD: yes... CPU load is very low...
[10:53:00] gunerh: so you say using a single PVR card will record multi channels continously
[10:54:00] directhex|work: NO
[10:54:00] directhex|work: jesus -_-
[10:54:00] XAD: a PVR500 can record two channels...
[10:54:00] XAD: directhex?? of course it can... it it's a dual tuner...
[10:55:00] directhex|work: he's on about his six channels, not the pvr500
[10:55:00] gunerh: here i have seen only pvr 250 .. hauppage on the market
[10:55:00] gunerh: not so common
[10:55:00] XAD: well 3x PVR500 cards...
[10:56:00] directhex|work: a cheap £40 BT8x8 card is entirely software-based. it relies on your CPU to do all the decoding of the TV signal, then encoding to some other format such as RTJPEG or MPEG2
[10:56:00] directhex|work: more than a couple of those will FILL a system. i can't even see an athlon64 X2 4800+ doing six at once at reasonable quality
[10:58:00] directhex|work: if you REALLY want to record that many channels at once, it is VITAL that yoru recording be hardware, not software, based. which means DVB if your region has digital TV, or PVR cards if not
[10:58:00] gunerh: directhex|work can you write me the name of distro .. knoppimyth .. is it correct
[10:59:00] directhex|work: three times the term "knoppmyth" has been used. scroll up.
[10:59:00] gunerh: one channel on freebsd consumes %22 using non-hyperthreat box
[11:00:00] gunerh: through mencoder
[11:00:00] directhex|work: it's called hyperthreading, and that won't scale linearly
[11:01:00] directhex|work: and, as ALREADY said, mythtv's backend software REQUIRES linux. it's built on top of v4l. bsd, macos, windows, netbsd/toaster, these do not feature
[11:01:00] travolta: to what? mpeg2 ?
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[11:27:00] XAD: gunerh: http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[11:33:00] directhex|work: he left a long time ago
[11:45:00] XAD: ahh...
[11:46:00] XAD: DEBUG (0x08, "I2C write to address %x succeeded = %d", i2c_address, b1);
[11:47:00] XAD: hmmm, I think this message in PVR windows driver could be of much use... would be nice to get i2c commands to the PVR card without using any hardware changes... ;-)
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[12:15:00] levon: directhex|work, what? an athlon64 X2 4800+ is not able to record 4–6 channels? sure it is....
[12:16:00] levon: directhex|work, recording doesn't take up much cpu time, almost nothing, even with passive cards.
[12:16:00] levon: directhex|work, searching for commericals can be done "nicely", so that won't eat up cpu time either
[12:16:00] levon: the most cpu intense application IMO, is the frontend, not the backend.
[12:16:00] levon: (especially when things like OSD come into the game)
[12:17:00] directhex|work: recording to a useful format with 6 cards at once?
[12:17:00] levon: sure thing
[12:17:00] levon: recording is just copying data.
[12:17:00] levon: mpeg2 coded data? I can copy 2–3 streams of that over in realtime to my laptop with wlan...
[12:17:00] levon: no prob.
[12:17:00] directhex|work: yeah, but that's MPEG2.
[12:17:00] levon: 700k per channel is not a big deal.
[12:18:00] levon: sure thing.
[12:18:00] ** levon 's TV world is MPEG2 only ;) **
[12:18:00] directhex|work: a software card like a wintv go is fairly cpu intensive
[12:18:00] directhex|work: turn on any sensible deshittifying filters, and you're eating up cpu on a 2+ghz machine
[12:18:00] levon: yeah, but why? because of the decoder.
[12:18:00] levon: (or lack of)
[12:18:00] levon: but recording doesn't require decoding.
[12:18:00] XAD: levon, no because you need to encode it...
[12:19:00] levon: encode it?
[12:19:00] levon: Noby ever said anything about encoding ;)
[12:19:00] XAD: yes from raw to compressed format such as MPEG2...
[12:19:00] directhex|work: encode it. data from a bt8x8 card isn't encoded
[12:19:00] levon: s/noby/nobody
[12:19:00] levon: sure it is
[12:20:00] directhex|work: not in anything usable
[12:20:00] levon: I'm using a bt878 dvb card
[12:20:00] XAD: well do you think you can record 24/7 on 6 channels without compressing???
[12:20:00] directhex|work: this guy was talking about cheapest of the cheap software analog cards
[12:20:00] levon: well, then we should have cleared up, what technology we are talking
[12:20:00] directhex|work: shit in, shit out
[12:20:00] directhex|work: DVB uses no cpu power, it's all mpeg2 to start with
[12:20:00] levon: I am using a cheap 878 dvb card, I could put 10 of those into my computer
[12:20:00] levon: yupp
[12:20:00] directhex|work: bit of a waste of time buying a 1.7ghz dothan really, the machine's at 600mhz with 2 streams recording...
[12:21:00] directhex|work: my myth machine has a pair of dvb-t cards. the only blocker on adding more cards is the matx-so-only-three-pci-slots issue
[12:22:00] levon: yupp, I know that pain
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[12:22:00] levon: and the irq sharing stuff, which (at least) the bt878 driver doesn't do right.
[12:23:00] directhex|work: my cards are cx88xx
[12:23:00] directhex|work: which didn't even compile in the kernel until 2.6.12, without major patches
[12:24:00] levon: lol, yeah, I could not even find the bt878 drivers in 2.6.12.x
[12:24:00] levon: seems they removed much of the dvb stuff in 2.6.12.x
[12:24:00] levon: 2.6.11.x was much better
[12:27:00] directhex|work: 2.6.12 made life MUCH easier for me, but cx88xx is generally a bit hairy
[12:28:00] levon: really? not for me ;)
[12:28:00] levon: seems stabilitywise 2.6.11.x is still better
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[12:28:00] levon: (at least comparing the vanillas)
[12:30:00] directhex|work: i'm using a patched 2.6.12.something. i don't remember the details.
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[12:44:00] hazzard: awsome a mythtv channel, man do I need some help
[12:47:00] hazzard: I get a heap of "Can't find dataset" errors when running fill database
[12:48:00] hazzard: I know my card is working as I can record to file using dvbstream tool
[12:48:00] hazzard: can anyone see me? I'm not used to using IRC.
[12:49:00] pirre: yes we can see you
[12:49:00] hazzard: thanks!
[12:49:00] hazzard: sorry for the ignorance
[12:49:00] hazzard: I'm very much a n00b
[12:50:00] pirre: have you tried googling for an answer?
[12:50:00] hazzard: yep, no good I'm afraid
[12:51:00] pirre: any other errors beside "Can't find dataset" ?
[12:51:00] hazzard: let me see....just a sec
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[12:54:00] hazzard: I ran the mythtv-setup and everything goes OK
[12:54:00] hazzard: tv_grab_au runs and gets a heap of channel
[12:54:00] hazzard: then when I go into the channel option nothing seems to be there
[12:55:00] hazzard: channel editor that is
[12:55:00] pirre: okay
[12:56:00] hazzard: filldatabase seems to go through every channel that tv_grab_au found saying "can't find dataset" for each one
[12:57:00] hazzard: oh.. and the first thing is says when I run filldatabase is:
[12:57:00] hazzard: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[12:58:00] pirre: hazzard: that might be the problem :)
[12:58:00] pirre: hazzard: set up the mysql password for user mythtv, have you?
[12:58:00] hazzard: yeah, kinda looks important doesn't it :-)
[12:58:00] hazzard: hmmmmm...... possibly not
[12:58:00] hazzard: where do I do that, in SQL?
[12:59:00] pirre: hazzard: I suggest you go through the documentation once more
[12:59:00] hazzard: OK
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[13:01:00] directhex|work: sounds like the localhost.localdomain bug in the first instance
[13:01:00] directhex|work: and in the second instance, tv_grab_au is a bit messed up right now
[13:03:00] hazzard: is setting up the SQL password for user mythtv in the doco called: "Installing and using MythTV"
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[13:46:00] duckeo: is there any sort of dxva support under linux?
[13:47:00] directhex|work: dxva?
[13:48:00] duckeo: hardware acceleration for mpeg decoding (windows thing)
[13:49:00] ** directhex|work googles **
[13:49:00] directhex|work: directx video acceleration?
[13:49:00] duckeo: that's it
[13:49:00] directhex|work: there's not a great degree of directx acceleration under linux
[13:49:00] duckeo: but obviously under linux it'd be something else
[13:49:00] directhex|work: there's video acceleration of varying degrees, of course
[13:49:00] Dibblah: There's xvmc, but that doesn't do as much as dxva.
[13:49:00] duckeo: from what I understand it just allows dx to offload mpeg decoding to the video card
[13:49:00] Dibblah: It's all a bit pointless with current hardware, though.
[13:50:00] duckeo: i just notice in windows my hdtv is fine, but under linux it's quite jumpy
[13:50:00] duckeo: as if there isn't enough grunt in the CPU
[13:50:00] Dibblah: ie you need a fairly high-end card to get anything useful offloaded, and you might as well just go spendy on the CPU instead.
[13:50:00] duckeo: obviously many different factors but i'm wondering if the dxva in windows was a big help
[13:50:00] duckeo: i've got a ati 9600pro with a athlon 2100xp, i *should* be able to watch the hdtv fine right?
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[14:31:00] Tagada_: How can I tell if my Hauppauge pvr-350 is equipped with a BrookTree chipset or a Conexant chipset?
[14:32:00] directhex|work: does the chip on it say broktree or conexant? :P
[14:32:00] Tagada_: Nice try. There's a heatsink on the chip :-)
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[14:33:00] Tagada_: should I compile my kernel with but drivers, load them and see what sticks? Would that work?
[14:34:00] Tagada_: sorry with both drivers
[14:34:00] directhex|work: i let hotplug do things for me
[14:34:00] directhex|work: it's called "delegation" :P
[14:34:00] Tagada_: OK but you need to have alternative drivers ready, right?
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[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: Tagada_: It's a connexant chip
[14:40:00] GreyFoxx: They bought out Brooktree long before the pvrx50's came out
[14:40:00] Tagada_: OK, thanks
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[14:59:00] defaultro: morning guys.....
[15:02:00] k-man_: why is it that mythtv dvb can'
[15:02:00] k-man_: can't tune to digital radio channels?
[15:03:00] directhex|work: nobody programmed it to do so
[15:03:00] k-man_: also, is there a utility to measure signal streanght and signal to noise ratio on a particular channel and report on it?
[15:03:00] k-man_: directhex|work, hmm... i wonder how hard it would be to get going
[15:03:00] k-man_: i wish i could listen to digital radio here
[15:03:00] k-man_: or even record it
[15:03:00] k-man_: that would be damn cool
[15:04:00] directhex|work: well get to work! the c++ sourcer is there for the taking ;)
[15:06:00] k-man_: sourcer?
[15:06:00] k-man_: what do you mean by that?
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[15:07:00] directhex|work: *source
[15:08:00] directhex|work: i'm a poor typist
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[15:34:00] defaultr0: anyone good in electronics? I have a question
[15:34:00] laga: defaultr0: hi defaultr0 ;) how was your bbq?
[15:34:00] defaultr0: hey laga
[15:34:00] defaultr0: it was good
[15:34:00] laga: great :)
[15:34:00] defaultr0: 2 neighbors didn't make it
[15:35:00] laga: too much booze?
[15:35:00] defaultr0: the other one, i really doubted why he didn't make it
[15:35:00] defaultr0: he told me the day before that he'd make it
[15:35:00] defaultr0: anyways, the other neighbors that I wasn't expecting, came over :)
[15:36:00] defaultr0: anyways, electronics question
[15:36:00] defaultr0: i have a device here that is expecting 6voltds
[15:36:00] defaultr0: volts
[15:36:00] defaultr0: i only have 9v power adaptor here
[15:37:00] defaultr0: will the 9v power adapter ruin the device?
[15:37:00] GreyFoxx: It could
[15:37:00] defaultr0: ok
[15:37:00] defaultr0: i won't try it then
[15:37:00] GreyFoxx: It might work "for a while"
[15:37:00] GreyFoxx: but you could easily end up with overheating and burnout
[15:37:00] defaultr0: thanks GreyFoxx
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[15:38:00] defaultro: glad i asked
[15:39:00] defaultro: oh btw, i found the issue in my mythmusic
[15:39:00] defaultro: it's the visualmode
[15:39:00] defaultro: visualmode in settings table. If it has a value, it will intermittently work
[15:40:00] defaultro: i do see the graphics but sometimes crashes my mythfrontend
[15:40:00] defaultro: i deleted it last night and tried closing/opening mythmusic many times, and it never crashed anymore
[15:40:00] defaultro: however, i don't have anymore nice visualizer
[15:46:00] k-man_: anyone know a tool that can monitor a channel and report error rates and signal to noise rates?
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[15:57:00] Beirdo: ooooh, beautiful
[15:58:00] laga: ?
[15:58:00] Beirdo: the plane I'll be on from JFK to YYZ is an Embraer tin can
[15:58:00] Beirdo: and that flight is nearly empty still
[15:59:00] laga: nice
[15:59:00] Beirdo: the flight MIA->SJU is about half full, the one SJU->JFK is about 3/4 full
[15:59:00] Beirdo: and YYZ->MIA is pretty much completely full
[15:59:00] Beirdo: just checking the seat assignments :)
[16:00:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[16:00:00] Beirdo: I can check in now.
[16:01:00] Beirdo: and the trip is in 17 days
[16:01:00] Beirdo: funky
[16:03:00] Beirdo: actually, I likely have to wait until I have the passport in hand.
[16:03:00] Beirdo: but whatever
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[16:07:00] EL_Whistey: Oh clever me! I thought it might be a good idea to purge the mythtv debs, since I'm compiling from source.
[16:08:00] directhex|work: i compile replacement debs from source \o/
[16:08:00] EL_Whistey: ... before I backed up the files containing the operative mysql mythtv password in cleartext :)
[16:08:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, directhex, but I found the debian/rules didn't work well with the repository versions.
[16:08:00] EL_Whistey: 0.19 or whatever.
[16:10:00] laga: EL_Whistey: login as root into the mysql db and reset the pass
[16:10:00] Beirdo: EL_Whistey: you mean you changed it?!
[16:10:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:10:00] EL_Whistey: Iaga, that's what I'm doing.
[16:10:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, well, lost more than changed.
[16:10:00] laga: there are updated patches for debian
[16:10:00] Beirdo: I never changed it from the default
[16:10:00] Beirdo: hard to lose the default
[16:11:00] laga: EL_Whistey: http://www.hamstaman.lxserv.de/mythtv/patche/ . . . .diff.tar.gz
[16:11:00] EL_Whistey: Sweet, thanks Iaga.
[16:11:00] defaultro: Beirdo, how are you able to chat, you're in the airport? That's cool!
[16:11:00] EL_Whistey: laga.
[16:11:00] Beirdo: no no no
[16:11:00] Beirdo: the trip is in 17 days!
[16:11:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:11:00] defaultro: ah
[16:11:00] Beirdo: I believe in being early, but not THAT early
[16:12:00] Beirdo: was just confirming seats, etc online
[16:15:00] EL_Whistey: I dunno. Airport security. Might take two weeks to get through.
[16:15:00] Beirdo: I'm not Arabic.
[16:15:00] laga: EL_Whistey: :)
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[16:15:00] EL_Whistey: Beirdo, too bad. Free holiday in Cuba.
[16:16:00] Beirdo: heh, I'd rather pay and go to Puerto Rico, thanks
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[16:20:00] defaultro: i'm planning to go to mexico, someone told me it's really nice there. Is it?
[16:22:00] ** laga doesn't know **
[16:22:00] GeckoFiend: defaultro I've been there a few times but only the tourist areas
[16:22:00] laga: i'd love to be on holiday now, the weather here is shitty at best
[16:22:00] GeckoFiend: if I could speak the language I'd consider living there... weather is great and the cost of living is low
[16:23:00] laga: hablan espanol alli, right?
[16:23:00] rtsai: k-man_: you want either azap/tzap/szap (DVB) or pchdtvsignal (v4l, pchdtv cards?)
[16:24:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: you can always learn :)
[16:24:00] laga: spanish is not hard to learn, imho
[16:25:00] GeckoFiend: Beirdo yeah I've had some Spanish training but that was 20 years agao
[16:25:00] Beirdo: I *need* to find time to learn Spanish
[16:25:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:26:00] GeckoFiend: my wife and I got married in Mexico, with a bunch of our friends from down there attending
[16:26:00] Beirdo: cool
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[16:26:00] rarr: is there a win32 port for the frontend available?
[16:26:00] laga: rarr: winmyth.sf.net
[16:27:00] laga: well, it's not a real port
[16:27:00] rarr: are you able to schedule recordings that that from it?
[16:27:00] laga: dunno. but mythweb does a good job at that
[16:28:00] rarr: ah ok.
[16:29:00] rarr: is it possible to get it to record from a shell? eg if I were to ssh into a machine with the backend running?
[16:29:00] laga: i don't think so
[16:31:00] rarr: hmm ok cheers
[16:33:00] rarr: just I was in the pub the other night, forgot this program that I wanted to watch was on so wondered if it was possible to use putty on my phone to start it recording :)
[16:34:00] laga: umm, try mythweb then ;)
[16:34:00] laga: or blame it on the booze.. ;)
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[16:52:00] duckeo: okay very odd problem
[16:52:00] duckeo: my mythfrontend will seg fault
[16:52:00] duckeo: unless I run it fromoo gdb
[16:52:00] duckeo: from*
[16:52:00] duckeo: and have the display redirected back to the machine
[16:52:00] duckeo: anyone ever experience this before?
[16:57:00] defaultro: mchou, why is it again that 2 1/4 inch hardwood floor is a crap?
[16:59:00] Cromz: cause he trips over the seams? ;)
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[17:03:00] defaultro: lol
[17:03:00] defaultro: hey Cromz
[17:03:00] defaultro: so are 5" really better?
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[17:05:00] Cromz: personally I think it looks better.. the 5" the 2 1/4" is tooo busy..
[17:11:00] defaultro: ok
[17:11:00] defaultro: mchou was also suggesting me the bamboo floor, is it really durable?
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[17:14:00] Beirdo: mchou recommends all kinds of things
[17:15:00] defaultro: :)
[17:15:00] defaultro: what do you recommend? what do you think about bamboo floors?
[17:15:00] Beirdo: I'm not a panda
[17:15:00] awdt: Hey does anyone use like a USB/firewire tv tuner with mythtv successfully? I want to set it up on my laptop. Do these things even exist? :)
[17:15:00] Beirdo: I like hardwood
[17:16:00] Beirdo: or marble :)
[17:16:00] defaultro: ok
[17:16:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:16:00] Beirdo: get flooring you like, dude
[17:16:00] Beirdo: jeez
[17:16:00] defaultro: ok
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[17:17:00] johnp_: awdt, there's been some dbox2 code committed recently.
[17:18:00] Cromz: I want a floor made of naked women :O
[17:18:00] johnp_: and I think there's another firewire choice as well ( thinking about it)
[17:18:00] defaultro: :)
[17:19:00] awdt: dbox2 = tuner device?
[17:19:00] laga: yep
[17:19:00] awdt: cool i'll look into it. thanks
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[17:30:00] jonK: I'm happy with my new chair, and I like hardwood floors
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[17:32:00] mobytrice: hey
[17:32:00] mobytrice: anybody here
[17:33:00] GeckoFiend: nope
[17:33:00] mobytrice: lol
[17:33:00] mobytrice: i ned help choosing which tv card
[17:33:00] mobytrice: ive bought 3 so far they all suck
[17:33:00] directhex|work: what kind of card
[17:33:00] directhex|work: ?
[17:34:00] mobytrice: um the ati
[17:34:00] directhex|work: i more meant DVB, HW MPEG2, basic analog, etc
[17:35:00] mobytrice: analof
[17:35:00] mobytrice: analog
[17:35:00] mobytrice: i wnat to go with like a mpeg 2 built in and best quality\
[17:35:00] directhex|work: so a hauppauge PVR* then
[17:36:00] awdt: i can't find the actual dbox2 device. does anyone happen to have a url?
[17:36:00] directhex|work: http://www.d-box2.co.uk/ ?
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[17:37:00] mobytrice: i was thinking this http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mce.html
[17:37:00] directhex|work: do you need two tuners?
[17:37:00] mobytrice: i really need great quality my pc is hoked up to a 17 inch lcd and it shows evrything
[17:38:00] mobytrice: it just comes with 2 tuners
[17:38:00] mobytrice: does it have a bult it mpeg encode
[17:39:00] mobytrice: isnt 2 better i can record and watch tv
[17:39:00] directhex|work: yes and yes in that order
[17:39:00] mobytrice: k
[17:39:00] mobytrice: which card do u use
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[17:40:00] directhex|work: me? i use DVB
[17:40:00] directhex|work: so two hauppauge wintv nova-t cards
[17:40:00] mobytrice: whats dvb
[17:40:00] mobytrice: o europe
[17:41:00] mobytrice: ok
[17:41:00] PITABoy: is it possable to use a computer for mythtv and regular useage
[17:41:00] mobytrice: is the WinTV-PVR-500MCE: better then the WinTV-PVR-350:
[17:41:00] PITABoy: not that i know of
[17:41:00] directhex|work: they're different. the 350 is single-tuner, and has TV-out
[17:41:00] directhex|work: DVB is digital.
[17:41:00] PITABoy: and i dont thing that is is supported but the 350 is
[17:41:00] PITABoy: is it possable to use a computer for mythtv and regular useage
[17:42:00] directhex|work: if you want to, sure
[17:42:00] PITABoy: can you "minimise" mythtv
[17:42:00] GeckoFiend: yes and yes
[17:42:00] PITABoy: cool
[17:42:00] mobytrice: so 500 is better
[17:42:00] directhex|work: you can quit mythfrontend. since the backend does all the recording, you shouldn't need to minimise the frontend, may as well quit it
[17:42:00] directhex|work: 500 has 2 tuners, but no tv-out.
[17:43:00] GeckoFiend: directhex|work unless of course you want to listen to MythMusic, or a news program on TV...
[17:43:00] PITABoy: cool that is all i wanted to know
[17:43:00] mobytrice: k
[17:43:00] GeckoFiend: I have mythfrontend running all the time on my dev box
[17:43:00] PITABoy: so as long as the background is working i dont need the frontend
[17:43:00] directhex|work: i have a dedicated mythtv machine.
[17:43:00] mobytrice: im just afraid about the quality
[17:43:00] PITABoy: 350 has dvd quality
[17:43:00] mobytrice: i really dont care about recording just watching
[17:44:00] PITABoy: dvd qyality
[17:44:00] mobytrice: pita is that what u have
[17:44:00] mobytrice: so will the 500 have bettrer quality
[17:44:00] PITABoy: that is what i'm getting tomorrow
[17:44:00] GeckoFiend: mobytrice you're not going to see much is any quality differences between the various hauppauge PVRx line
[17:45:00] PITABoy: i dont know all i know is that the 500 is harder to set up
[17:45:00] mobytrice: why harder
[17:45:00] PITABoy: because it isnt supported
[17:45:00] mobytrice: what u mean
[17:45:00] GeckoFiend: mobytrice save yourself the hastle. get a PVR250 or two and call it a day
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[17:46:00] PITABoy: as far as i know the 350 is the best for mythtv
[17:46:00] mobytrice: k
[17:46:00] mobytrice: 350 is dual tuner right
[17:46:00] Beirdo: the 250
[17:46:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:46:00] Beirdo: no
[17:47:00] Beirdo: the 500 is dual tuner
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[17:48:00] mobytrice: it show sit here with 2 tuners http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . amp;n=507846
[17:48:00] Beirdo: no it doesn't
[17:48:00] Beirdo: it has one TV tuner
[17:48:00] mobytrice: k
[17:48:00] Beirdo: it also can tune FM radio
[17:48:00] mobytrice: so is the 250 better the 350
[17:49:00] Beirdo: no
[17:49:00] PITABoy: 350 is best
[17:49:00] pirre: anyone having trouble compiling ivtv-0.3.7c, issuing "make" gives me a bunch of msp3400.c errors
[17:49:00] Beirdo: the 350 has tv-out with an mpeg decoder
[17:49:00] PITABoy: get it from newegg.com
[17:49:00] Beirdo: if you aren't using that, it's the same as a 250
[17:49:00] PITABoy: great mythtv reviews there
[17:49:00] tuxick: normally bigger number means better
[17:49:00] Beirdo: PITABoy: no, the 350 isn't "best"
[17:49:00] mobytrice: hwats the best
[17:49:00] Beirdo: it depends on what you are going to use it for
[17:49:00] tuxick: that's why windows 2003 is better than linux 10 !
[17:50:00] mobytrice: <Beirdo> i want perfect picture quality thats it
[17:50:00] directhex|work: using pointy brackets on irc usually signifies a quote. to speak directly to someone, use a colon.
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[17:50:00] Beirdo: the picture quality will be identical on 250 recordings and 350 recordings
[17:50:00] pirre: Beirdo: how does 150 compare to 250/350?
[17:51:00] Beirdo: haven't seen the output from a 150
[17:51:00] mobytrice: what it the best card out with perfect quality picture
[17:51:00] Beirdo: but I've heard it's slightly better
[17:51:00] pirre: Beirdo: okay
[17:51:00] Beirdo: nothing has "perfect" quality picture
[17:51:00] pirre: Beirdo: if I get mine working, I'll send you a screen dump ^_^
[17:51:00] PITABoy: does anyone have a sample video recorded with a 350 on myth tv
[17:52:00] mobytrice: <Beirdo> the best then
[17:52:00] Beirdo: jeez
[17:52:00] Beirdo: do some research, stop hounding people here
[17:52:00] Beirdo: the PVR150/250/350/500 models are your best bet for analog capture
[17:53:00] Beirdo: but you need to research the differences
[17:53:00] mobytrice: is there a good site with info
[17:53:00] mobytrice: like is hauppauge the best compoany
[17:53:00] Beirdo: nothing google can't find, I'm sure
[17:53:00] mobytrice: k
[17:54:00] Beirdo: of course, if you can get DVB where you are, that might be even better as it's purely digital
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[17:55:00] mobytrice: im in maerica so no dvb
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[17:56:00] mobytrice: hwats mce
[17:56:00] Beirdo: HDTV off the air would also be good if you get enough channels and have a really fast machine
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[17:57:00] mobytrice: whats does mce mean
[17:58:00] GeckoFiend: mobytrice media center edition
[17:58:00] GeckoFiend: i.e windows media center
[17:59:00] mobytrice: ok
[17:59:00] mobytrice: is the mce edition better
[18:00:00] GeckoFiend: mobytrice for the love of god do some fucking reading on their site and stop obsessing
[18:00:00] GeckoFiend: I *told* you the best course for you to take several minutes ago
[18:01:00] mobytrice: i am
[18:01:00] mobytrice: im reading now
[18:01:00] mobytrice: tv-cards.com
[18:02:00] mobytrice: last question
[18:02:00] mobytrice: which ones r dual again lol sorry
[18:03:00] Beirdo: PVR500
[18:03:00] Beirdo: that's it
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[18:21:00] mobytrice: thanks
[18:22:00] mobytrice: i think ill go with the 500 since i can record and watch a difrent tv channel at the smae time
[18:22:00] Krazylegz: You could also record two things at the same time.
[18:23:00] mobytrice: yep
[18:23:00] mobytrice: anybdoyu have any suggestions at any other cards beside hauppauge
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[18:36:00] GeckoFiend: mobytrice just do us all a favor... When you have problems getting that card to work don't come here asking for help. Go to the ivtv folks
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[18:45:00] hadeees: GeckoFiend, is the pvr-500 really that bad?
[18:46:00] hadeees: GeckoFiend, i am still trying to decide between it and two pvr-150s
[18:46:00] GeckoFiend: hadeees the 500 and 150 are very new cards which means you can't use a table release of the drivers.
[18:47:00] xris: hadeees: if you need to use the break-out pannel, and have the room, two 150's is cheaper. that's supposedly the only real difference.
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[18:58:00] Kronuz: hello
[18:59:00] rtsai: heh
[19:00:00] Kronuz: hey, MythTV frontend from the svn is segfaulting, seemingly after inserting MythGame, you know anything about this?
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[19:00:00] GreyFoxx: You will have to be a lot more detailed before anyone can even guess
[19:01:00] Kronuz: well, maybe it was a known issue
[19:01:00] Kronuz: (for the current svn)
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: If it was a known issue it would be fixed :)
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: I don't leave bugs like that laying around :)
[19:02:00] Kronuz: not if it was some fault from today ;)
[19:02:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I'm using FC4... compiling again right now
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: Considering I haven't update mythgame in at least a week, I'm sure it's not aa new mythgame bug from today :)
[19:02:00] Kronuz: :)
[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: What exactly is happenning, and what error are you seeing on the console ?
[19:03:00] Kronuz: I disabled SELinux, hopefully yhat's the problem
[19:03:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: it's a segmentation fault
[19:03:00] GreyFoxx: And .....
[19:03:00] Kronuz: just after the Upgrading to MythGame schema version 1000 message
[19:03:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz you need a backtrace for "it's a seg fault" to be useful
[19:04:00] Kronuz: I've never backtraced a segfault there are not such things in windows (where I come from :P)
[19:04:00] GeckoFiend: Kronuz then you need to RTFM :-p
[19:04:00] Kronuz: wfm?
[19:05:00] ** Beirdo slaps Kronuz with the MythTV fm **
[19:05:00] GeckoFiend: and there *are* segfaults in windows they're called GPFs
[19:05:00] Kronuz: O_O
[19:05:00] Kronuz: GPFs
[19:06:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: So a newly added mythgame to a frontend that didn't have it before, and it's segfaulting right after the initial update to schema 1000?
[19:06:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've seen that one before
[19:07:00] Kronuz: exactly
[19:07:00] Kronuz: I'm recompiling... maybe it was a SELinux thing
[19:07:00] GreyFoxx: without a backtrace or some more detailed info I can't even guess
[19:07:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[19:09:00] Kronuz: well, it is MythGame
[19:10:00] Kronuz: (it works without it)
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[19:14:00] Kronuz: well, it wasn't the SELinux :(
[19:14:00] GreyFoxx: Now it's time for more details and digging
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: submit a trac ticket with as much detail (and a backtrace) as you can get. Versions of everything from kernel, mysql, distro. Exactly steps to cause it to fail
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: What version of MySQL ?
[19:15:00] Kronuz: 4.1
[19:15:00] Kronuz: I don't think it's MySQL...
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: Well, if it's segfaulting right after database communications it's not impossible
[19:15:00] Kronuz: tho' I might be wrong :P
[19:16:00] Kronuz: I have no idea how to trace it :S
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: and I thought I saw a thread (but this was a while ago) about various issues with using 4.1 with Myth. Though that could no longer be the case
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: It's detailed in the mythtv.org docs
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: But to make it valuable you need to be sure to compile mythfrontend with debug symbols enabled, and maybe recompile mythgame after that
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: Specifically check out these docs: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.2
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[19:25:00] GreyFoxx: Man I love this. mythfrontend on a usb drive. I love new toys and the day or two distractions they bring me
[19:25:00] laga: where can i download it? ;)
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[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: I'll put it up in a couple days. Just ironing out the tiny little buglets. Main thing I want to decide how I will handle is the getting of the mysql.txt
[19:26:00] laga: nice :)
[19:26:00] laga: perhaps with some boot options?
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: don't wanna remake it each time, and don't wanna make it hardcoded in a module
[19:26:00] laga: via dhcp? ;)
[19:26:00] GreyFoxx: I'm thinking of that, but dhcp is most likely
[19:27:00] laga: how much space does it take?
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, get it to tftp it down from the filename specified in the dhcp request
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: grand total with what I have no is 140Meg
[19:27:00] laga: that's great! on what distro is it based?
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: Slackware
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[19:27:00] laga: nice :)
[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: boots in about 30 seconds
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[19:27:00] GreyFoxx: and it would not be hard to script it to tftp down the mysql.txt
[19:28:00] laga: yep
[19:28:00] GreyFoxx: Or I could add an option that if someone didn't want to do that they can place it on the usb drive and it will check for that file first
[19:28:00] laga: :)
[19:29:00] laga: I'm going to put a small frontend together now that i've got mythtv for ltsp
[19:29:00] GreyFoxx: Just a small config option to make it copy the whole thing and run it all from ram as well, no need to keep the usb drive connected
[19:29:00] laga: rjune: did you try the packages?
[19:30:00] laga: ramdrive sounds good to me, especially because the r/w operations are limited on an USB stick
[19:30:00] Kronuz: I'm compiling everything again
[19:34:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: will you help me trace the error? it shouldn't be too hard, but I don't know the commands and the procedure
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: It tells you right in the document I pointed you too
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: run mythfrontend under gdb
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: after it crashes
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: "thread apply all bt full"
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: and capture the entire output and send that
[19:37:00] Beirdo: R
[19:37:00] Beirdo: T
[19:37:00] Beirdo: F
[19:37:00] Beirdo: M
[19:37:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:37:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[19:40:00] Kronuz: it's still compiling :P
[19:40:00] Kronuz: hey, for the plugins, do I have to build them with "debug" stuff in the configure?
[19:40:00] Kronuz: same line that with mythtv?
[19:41:00] Kronuz: (./configure --compile-type=debug)
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think so. Just be sure to install the newly compiled mythtv before you compile the plugins
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[19:46:00] Kronuz: okay GreyFoxx :)
[19:46:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I feel stupid not knowing how to trace an error in linux :P but don't worry, I learn fast :)
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[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: heh I have my slax/usb distro booting as an iso under vmware using the backend+mysql db on another vmware session.
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[19:56:00] laga: hehe, nice
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: Easier to work out the bugs this way
[19:57:00] jams: got that right
[19:57:00] ** jams did the same thing **
[19:57:00] rjune: laga: no, not yet
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[19:57:00] anaxagoras: hello everybody
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: jams: I do most of my stuff in vmware now. It's just too handy
[19:58:00] jams: the time saved in not creating the cd was worth it
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[19:58:00] jams: yeah it is
[19:58:00] jams: don't know if i would pay the current price tag
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: I do 99% of my coding in avmware linux session. I ssh into it from other machines, or locally if need be
[19:58:00] jams: but the upgrade price tag is worth it
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: My company pays for it :)
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: Very widley used here
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: -l
[19:59:00] jams: alas my company is stuck at vmware 3
[20:00:00] jams: mostly used to test web browsers..but it could still do for an update
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: 5 is sweet, and has snapshots/cloning that let to pull in other snapshots, revert to any stage, and only space for a file once rather than again for each session
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: and my grammar sucks ass today
[20:01:00] jams: yes..running 5 here
[20:01:00] jams: works well for my vpn session
[20:02:00] jams: that why when I get a virus from the vpn lan. I just roll back the image to a known clean one
[20:02:00] anaxagoras: atm i play dvds with the player. is it possible with xine, to display the dvd menues and is it a big deal to integrate xine in mythdvd?
[20:02:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say that's ever a problem for me :)
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: anaxagoras: Most people use xine with mythdvd
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: and yes you can get DVD menus with it
[20:03:00] anaxagoras: really okay so i will emerge it quickly :)
[20:04:00] anaxagoras: do i have to emerge a special version of xine, to do that?
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: No idea, I'm not a gentoo user. I don't know what is included with that
[20:05:00] GreyFoxx: mode #mythtv-gentoo
[20:05:00] GreyFoxx: there is a #gentoo-mythtv channel that would be suited to gentoo specific questions
[20:06:00] Kronuz: hmm, now I'm getting a compile error in mythmusic
[20:06:00] Kronuz: (after enabling the debug stuff, I suppose)
[20:06:00] Kronuz: "sufic or operands invalid for movq" in goom/goom_core.c
[20:08:00] Kronuz: maybe the error is not in goom :P
[20:09:00] Kronuz: it says: {standard input}:126: Error: suffix or operands invalid for 'movq'
[20:09:00] Kronuz: and: {standard input}:127: Error: suffix or operands invalid for 'movq'
[20:09:00] Kronuz: before that: {standard input}: Assembler messages:
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[20:12:00] anaxagoras: hey i am sorry, i forgot to thank you for the information.
[20:13:00] ** anaxagoras is ashamed **
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[20:20:00] rjune: laga: you got that URL again?
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[20:21:00] Beirdo: wow
[20:21:00] Beirdo: now someone's turning on a rackmount server at their desk
[20:21:00] ** Beirdo puts his headphones back on **
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[20:24:00] laga: rjune: laga.ath.cx/~laga/
[20:24:00] ** laga has been fighting for 4 hours with mediawiki **
[20:24:00] Beirdo: ??
[20:24:00] laga: the stupid thing won't use the right temp path
[20:24:00] Beirdo: it's not THAT hard
[20:24:00] Beirdo: go to #mediawiki see if you can get some help, maybe?
[20:24:00] laga: Beirdo: no, it isn't. but i want to enable file uploads.
[20:25:00] laga: Beirdo: been there, asked for help. they basically told me UTSL ;)
[20:25:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[20:25:00] Kronuz: I'm here trying to use gdb to trace the error, but I'm having some trouble...
[20:26:00] Kronuz: I followed the instructions in the HOWTO, but still
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[20:26:00] Kronuz: could someone help me plz? GreyFoxx, or Beirdo?
[20:27:00] Kronuz: I did gdb mythfrontend
[20:27:00] Beirdo: not right now, sorry
[20:27:00] Kronuz: :(
[20:27:00] rjune: laga: ustl?
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[20:27:00] laga: rjune: 'use the source, luke!'
[20:28:00] rjune: heh
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[20:35:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: what does: "thread apply all bt full" do?
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[20:38:00] Chacabaou: Do you have any good advise for migrating a backend (with its whole database) to another machine?
[20:39:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I can see MythPluginManager(), MythGamePlayerSettings(), UpgradeGameDatabase(), InitializeDatabase(), ... all the way to QChar::isSpace()
[20:40:00] Kronuz: hmm.. it looks lyke an empry query perhaps?
[20:41:00] Kronuz: like*
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[20:44:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I think I know the problem... I could be wrong tho'
[20:45:00] [SemTeX]: mmm, my snow is turning green now
[20:45:00] Beirdo: lay off the drugs
[20:45:00] [SemTeX]: :)
[20:45:00] Beirdo: snow is white :)
[20:46:00] Beirdo: sometimes with yellow spots
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[20:46:00] kormoc: don't you eat no yellow snow...
[20:47:00] [SemTeX]: all my frequencies are right, but i still can't get any real tv
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[20:47:00] [SemTeX]: any suggestions? :/
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[20:47:00] Beirdo: not really
[20:47:00] [SemTeX]: the only progress i made is normal snow to green snow ;)
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[20:48:00] Beirdo: sounds like your tuner still isn't setup right, maybe
[20:48:00] [SemTeX]: i guess so
[20:48:00] [SemTeX]: ivtv docs are not that clear, thousands of suggestions to set things up
[20:49:00] [SemTeX]: all of them telling you something different ;(
[20:49:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: huh?
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[20:50:00] Piete-S: Hey all ... sorry to ask this, but: is there a plugin development guide anywhere? Or just a matter of hacking the existing plugins?
[20:50:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: yep it is, I found a bug in dbcheck.cpp
[20:52:00] [SemTeX]: mchou: it took me 5 minutes to compile and modprobe the ivtv module
[20:52:00] [SemTeX]: and more than 5 days to let the tuner do some pal-b stuff...
[20:52:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: in InitializeDatabase(void), the array updates[] doesn't initialize the last QString to "", so performActualUpdate segfaults when it tries to prepare the query
[20:52:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: that's not myth.
[20:52:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: that's ivtv.
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: send in a detailed bug report to trac
[20:53:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: don't confuse them.
[20:53:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: just a line you need to change, you can do it, no need for report :P
[20:53:00] Kronuz: GreyFoxx: I mean you just need to append the "" initialization
[20:53:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: and pal on ivtv is very well documented in the source tree.
[20:54:00] Beirdo: put in the report, don't be lazy :)
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: send in a detailed bug report to trac
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[20:55:00] [SemTeX]: mchou: mmm, the source, that's probably the only thing i didn't read yet :)
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: Kronuz: I don't have time right now, but put in trac as a reminder and I'll do it in a bit
[20:56:00] Kronuz: how do I put it there?
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[20:56:00] Kronuz: mythgame/mythgame/dbcheck.cpp line 145 add "" to the end of the line (that's it)
[20:57:00] mchou: [SemTeX]: when I say source tree I dont mean you read source code. There is documentation in there though.
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[20:57:00] Kronuz: hey, what are all those nestitles for?
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[20:58:00] Kronuz: you know, if you're doing that, we should use Good Utils database
[20:58:00] Kronuz: also for MAME and SNES
[21:00:00] Kronuz: hey, MythGame looks much better now, congrats GreyFoxx!! :)
[21:00:00] Kronuz: much more generic than it was :)
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[21:11:00] [Klatuu]: grrr
[21:12:00] [Klatuu]: why is Myth telling me all tuners are in use and nothing is being used
[21:12:00] Kronuz: what's a good sega genesis emulator for linux?
[21:12:00] kormoc: gens
[21:12:00] Kronuz: (and also one good N64 emulator)
[21:12:00] Kronuz: hmm.. gens
[21:13:00] kormoc: mupen64 is a good n64 emu
[21:13:00] laga: mupen64
[21:13:00] Kronuz: kormoc: where's the gens page for linux?
[21:13:00] kormoc: one sec
[21:14:00] kormoc: http://gens.consolemul.com/
[21:14:00] Kronuz: but http://www.gens.ws/ seem to have Win9x stuff only
[21:14:00] XAD: ????? According to debug on Windows driver of PVR500 it only has one radio, but two tv-tuners???
[21:15:00] mchou: XAD: wow, that's certainly interesting.
[21:15:00] mchou: XAD: but I doubt that.
[21:16:00] mchou: like why wouldnt hauppauge connect the 2nd radio?
[21:17:00] mchou: send an email to hauppage support asking them how to utilize the 2nd radio. :)
[21:17:00] kormoc: Kronuz, https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=73619
[21:17:00] XAD: it says... 2 tuners on first "card", FQ1216AME_MK4 + TEA5768HL... 1 tuner on second, FQ1216ME_MK4....
[21:17:00] mchou: XAD: see what they say :)
[21:17:00] Kronuz: kormoc: great! thanks :)
[21:18:00] XAD: the TEA5768 doesn't need a tuner, it's connected directly to the radio antenna... single chip solution...
[21:19:00] mchou: XAD: wow, you saying hauppauge actually put different tuner modules on the same pvr-500?
[21:19:00] mchou: FQ1216AME_MK4 & FQ1216ME_MK4 (Note the "A")
[21:19:00] XAD: no... the tuner modules are the two TV... the radio is only a chip, which I then assume is in the first "splitter" box...
[21:20:00] XAD: sory.. my typo.... both are AME_MK4....
[21:21:00] mchou: well, if there is only one TEA5768 then there is only one radio :)
[21:21:00] mchou: XAD: bastards at hauppauge!
[21:21:00] mchou: :)
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[21:22:00] mchou: XAD: really got to read the fine print. guess pvr500 is not two pvr150mce "sandwiched together."
[21:23:00] XAD: well that would explain why ivtv won't work... never seen support of tea5768... can anyone else confirm this on an NTSC version?? (I have revision D591)
[21:23:00] mchou: I dont think ivtv works on the radio (ever), does it?
[21:23:00] XAD: mchou: they never claimed that... but they say dual-tuner... not dual-tv-tuner only... or???
[21:24:00] mchou: XAD: exactly :)
[21:24:00] mchou: dual tv-tune and single fm tuner :)
[21:24:00] mchou: tv-tuner*
[21:25:00] XAD: mchou: I have started to disassemble the driver and think I can get more debug than "supposed" to... ;-)
[21:25:00] mchou: XAD: nice.
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[21:26:00] mchou: XAD: but seriously, do you really need two radio tuners? :)
[21:26:00] XAD: I want radio to work!! But it's pretty stupid not to be able to record and listen at the same time... I am suppose to have dual-tuner...
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[21:26:00] XAD: well.... do I need dual TV-tuner??
[21:26:00] mchou: XAD: dual TV tuner is a requirement :)
[21:26:00] XAD: ;-)
[21:27:00] mchou: not because you wanna record and watch at the same time though. :)
[21:28:00] mchou: XAD: how many pci slots you got?
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[21:28:00] mchou: total/free
[21:28:00] XAD: 3 total only... this is an old "business" model...
[21:28:00] mchou: XAD: that's too bad.
[21:28:00] myth1: where do I find keyboard.h from xmame to do a keymapping for my mythgame?
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[21:29:00] mchou: XAD: get a real radio to listen :)
[21:30:00] mchou: record only from the hauppauge one :)
[21:30:00] XAD: well, I expect you to tell me to buy a retail PVR now too... ;-)
[21:30:00] mchou: retail PVR dont have radios at all :)
[21:30:00] XAD: why not have MythTV do radio recording schedule too??
[21:30:00] mchou: haha!
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[21:31:00] mchou: mythfm exists.
[21:31:00] mchou: but there is no point doing conflict resoluction betw. radio and tv shows.....
[21:31:00] mchou: resolution*
[21:32:00] XAD: hmm, wish me luck in testing with my hacked device driver... ;-)
[21:32:00] mchou: XAD: that's the least of your problems :)
[21:32:00] mchou: you'd also have to hack mythfm and mythtv.
[21:33:00] mchou: specifically the conflict resolution part.
[21:33:00] XAD: well... for scheduling yes... but for radio to work I only need to fix ivtv... and I have spent quite some time in there already...
[21:34:00] mchou: so have you gotten radio to work at all?
[21:34:00] mchou: in ivtv that is.
[21:35:00] cosmo_: has anyone successfully used a presentation remote for mythtv? You know, those things that have the laser pointer, 4 directional buttons, and is recognized under windows as a mouse?
[21:35:00] XAD: no... as I have only played with the existing components... they all assume that radio is using the TV-tuners...
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[21:35:00] mchou: XAD: heh, no doubt.
[21:36:00] XAD: which make sense as they support radio FM decoding... an extra radio tuner is sort of unnecessary but I assume they have a good reason...
[21:37:00] mchou: XAD: you know what this means?
[21:37:00] XAD: or the debug messages are suppose to confuse people like me... ;-) :-D
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[21:37:00] XAD: mchou: no... what...
[21:37:00] XAD: I need to get a life?? ;-)
[21:37:00] mchou: Since there is a separate fm tuner you can record fm and TV at the same time.
[21:37:00] mchou: no tuner contention.
[21:38:00] mchou: (i.e. no scheduling conflicts)
[21:38:00] mchou: hehe
[21:38:00] mchou: maybe you dont need to mod mythtv after all :)
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[21:38:00] XAD: well... there is one issue... where do you get the sound from, after it's decoded... from the only two MPEG-encoders...
[21:39:00] mchou: hmm, true. Do they pass radio thru the mpeg encoder or pass the raw stream?
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[21:39:00] mchou: to the OS.....
[21:40:00] XAD: I assume the first iTVC16 is connected to the radio, via the audio chip's mux...
[21:40:00] mchou: yeah, possibly.
[21:40:00] mchou: bah, looks like you may still have to mod mythtv :)
[21:42:00] mchou: XAD: and stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. :)
[21:42:00] mchou: guy is a dunce.
[21:42:00] XAD: no... the sound will be on the same "device" as the sound for the first video... (ex. /dev/video0 for encoded, /dev/video24 for PCM) as it is using the same audio chip as for TV...
[21:43:00] mchou: XAD: right. which means if a tv recording comes up at the same time it will contend for the same encoder.
[21:44:00] mchou: not a good situation :)
[21:45:00] XAD: yes... in that you are right... so I would have to set the first "tuner" as scheduled-last... so all recording is on the second and live usage will be on the first (as I can't schedule radio recording yet)...
[21:46:00] XAD: BUT... it's first a question of technicly beeing able to do it... then the functional problems can be solved by someone else... ;-) :-D
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[21:54:00] Beirdo: slePP: you in?
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[22:02:00] ** [Klatuu] ponders wiping the myth databases **
[22:03:00] XAD: databaseS??
[22:03:00] [Klatuu]: well
[22:04:00] [Klatuu]: mythconverge
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[22:04:00] [Klatuu]: but all the tables
[22:04:00] [Klatuu]: everything
[22:04:00] XAD: ;-)
[22:05:00] [Klatuu]: I dunno why it things tuners are in use but aren't
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[22:08:00] XAD: klatuu, have they ever worked??
[22:09:00] [Klatuu]: yes and no
[22:09:00] XAD: what TV-card
[22:09:00] [Klatuu]: I managed to get everything working briefly awhile back
[22:09:00] [Klatuu]: PVR-500
[22:10:00] [Klatuu]: then I started having issues with my box rebooting when I modprobe'd the ivtv drivers
[22:10:00] [Klatuu]: things got left on the back burner for a few months
[22:10:00] [Klatuu]: now I figured out what was wrong with ivtv
[22:10:00] [Klatuu]: and I can revisit this
[22:11:00] XAD: you need the unstable version...
[22:11:00] [Klatuu]: of ivtv?
[22:11:00] [Klatuu]: already using it
[22:11:00] XAD: yes..
[22:11:00] [Klatuu]: something was amiss with my kernel config
[22:11:00] XAD: also make sure you don't have other copies...
[22:11:00] [Klatuu]: not sure what that was
[22:11:00] XAD: of the ivtv compiled modules...
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: ivtv works now
[22:12:00] XAD: run modinfo (I think it is) to check which one is loaded...
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: I can manually record via cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: video and sound are fine
[22:12:00] XAD: ahhh, ok...
[22:12:00] [Klatuu]: so ivtv should be a non-issue with my current problem
[22:13:00] laga: this antec minuet case looks sexy.
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[22:14:00] laga: and it's only like 60–70 euro.
[22:14:00] Beirdo: no drooling on the Antec cases
[22:14:00] laga: Beirdo is no fun today
[22:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:14:00] Beirdo: you drool on it, you have to buy it
[22:14:00] laga: no prob
[22:14:00] laga: hehe
[22:14:00] laga: wonder if i'll get it cheaper then
[22:14:00] laga: because of the drool stains
[22:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:14:00] Beirdo: or other stains if you get really excited by it
[22:15:00] laga: yeah. tear stains are no fun.
[22:17:00] [Klatuu]: I like my ThermalTake Armor case for the storage of all my media
[22:18:00] laga: heh. i dont want a big tower sitting next to the tv ;)
[22:18:00] [Klatuu]: this will go somewhere else
[22:18:00] Beirdo: heheh
[22:18:00] Beirdo: *wuss*
[22:18:00] [Klatuu]: I figure I can get 3 terabytes in this case if I go with 250gig drives
[22:19:00] laga: *drool*
[22:19:00] [Klatuu]: right now it has 1+ terabytes
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[22:22:00] pirre: [Klatuu]: you know, you could *burn* your porn instead?
[22:22:00] pirre: *ducks*
[22:29:00] Tex_: good evening
[22:30:00] Tex_: does anybody know why myth-setup is segfaulting after the "Joystick Disabled" line
[22:30:00] Tex_: seems to be a known issue (from the archives) but I didn't manage to find how to solve it
[22:30:00] Tex_: any pointers?
[22:30:00] Tex_: mythtv-setup that is
[22:31:00] [Klatuu]: I want everything a remote control click away
[22:31:00] [Klatuu]: hrmm
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[22:31:00] [Klatuu]: I seem to have gotten further
[22:32:00] [Klatuu]: now I get a black screen when I try and watch TV
[22:32:00] [Klatuu]: but then it returns to the menu
[22:32:00] [Klatuu]: and mythbackend dies
[22:34:00] pirre: [Klatuu]: any error messages before it dies?
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[22:36:00] [Klatuu]: Remote encoder not responding
[22:39:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/334049+
[22:39:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/334049
[22:39:00] Chutt: wouldn't it make sense to look at the output of the backend?
[22:41:00] [Klatuu]: 2005-08–10 13:28:11.636 ERROR opening file in ThreadedFileWriter.
[22:42:00] [Klatuu]: /media/recordings/buffer/ringbuf1.nuv: No such file or directory
[22:42:00] Chutt: there'll be more errors, too
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[22:44:00] Mrgoose2: Beirdo
[22:44:00] Mrgoose2: you around?
[22:45:00] Beirdo: maybe
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[22:47:00] xris: I don't believe you
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[22:48:00] Cardoe: ivtv: ivtv ioctl: Buggy application set embed mode to 4 which is way out of range
[22:48:00] Cardoe: bleh
[22:48:00] Chutt: heh
[22:48:00] Chutt: that's from myth?
[22:49:00] Chutt: i keep meaning to fix that, the guy that added the vbi enabling stuff didn't bother to look at the ivtv headers
[22:50:00] Mrgoose2: Beirdo: im having some problems wtih cacti, could you offer any assitatncE?
[22:50:00] Beirdo: the docs are pretty good
[22:50:00] Tex_: does anybody have any pointers on the mythtv-setup segfault?
[22:51:00] Mrgoose2: Beirdo: yea good at not helping
[22:51:00] Chutt: tex, there's instructions on how to use gdb on the website.
[22:51:00] Mrgoose2: i have it installed and the web interface up, but none of my graphs are showing up
[22:51:00] [Klatuu]: http://pastebin.com/334057
[22:51:00] Beirdo: I assume you are running the cronjob?
[22:51:00] [Klatuu]: that is a fresh log from mythbackend
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[22:51:00] Beirdo: and I assume you tried manually running the poller first to make sure it works?
[22:51:00] Tex_: Chutt, seems to segault on the _int_free function in libc.so.6
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: manually running it?
[22:52:00] Chutt: tex, follow the instructions.
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: /usr/bin/php /var/www/htdocs/cacti/poller.php > /dev/null
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: 2>&1
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: i ran that from the command line
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: doesn't seem to have done anything
[22:52:00] Tex_: k, thx
[22:52:00] Mrgoose2: how can i tell if it worked?
[22:52:00] Beirdo: don't put the redirections on it
[22:53:00] Beirdo: and see if it throws errors
[22:53:00] Mrgoose2: php /var/www/htdocs/cacti/poller.php
[22:53:00] Mrgoose2: There are no items in your poller cache or polling is disabled. Make sure you have at least one data source created. If you do, go to 'Utilities', and select 'Clear Poller Cache'.
[22:53:00] Beirdo: there's your problem
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: so do that and run it manually again?
[22:54:00] Beirdo: yup
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: flood
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: php /var/www/htdocs/cacti/poller.php
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: OK u:0.02 s:0.00 r:1.05
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: OK u:0.02 s:0.00 r:1.05
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: 08/10/2005 04:54:30 PM – SYSTEM STATS: Time: 1.0721 s, Method: cmd.php, Processes: 1, Threads: N/A, Hosts: 2, Hosts/Process: 2, Data Sources 1, RRDs Processed 1
[22:54:00] Mrgoose2: Export path does not exist!
[22:54:00] Beirdo: fix your setup :)
[22:55:00] Mrgoose2: hmm
[22:55:00] Beirdo: anyways, I'm heading home
[22:55:00] Mrgoose2: waittt
[22:55:00] Mrgoose2: export path does not exist?
[22:55:00] Mrgoose2: i never specified an export path
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[22:55:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:56:00] Beirdo: well your setup is borked, and incomplete
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[22:57:00] Beirdo: gotta go :)
[22:57:00] _rkulagow_: so, i posted in -users that i now have to get a cable box to receive SCI-FI. i'm going down to the local office to get one; does anyone know for sure if i'll be able to request a firewire enabled box _without_ getting their HDTV package?
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[22:59:00] _rkulagow_: also, i asked, and they don't have scientific atlanta boxes anymore, so hopefully i can get a motorola as opposed to some weird even-more-proprietary cable box.
[22:59:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I got that from dmesg
[23:00:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I was testing the 0.3.7b ivtv driver
[23:00:00] Cardoe: Chutt: hit live tv. got live tv for about 1/20th of a second
[23:00:00] Cardoe: and then just get it sitting there locked @ the screen
[23:00:00] Cardoe: and then it returns back to the main screen
[23:01:00] Cardoe: Mythbackend's log says...
[23:01:00] Cardoe: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7935854]invalid cbp at 15 19
[23:01:00] Cardoe: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7935854]Warning MVs not available
[23:01:00] Cardoe: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7958854]ac-tex damaged at 7 5
[23:01:00] Cardoe: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7958854]Warning MVs not available
[23:01:00] Cardoe: with a BOAT load of blank lines in between everything
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[23:14:00] XAD: .
[23:15:00] XAD: YESSSS, got debug on for all types of messages from the windows driver... all data sent to i2c and some Cx416Firmware comments... so much info and so little time....
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[23:29:00] XAD: hmmm, I think I got quite a lot of iTVC API calls logged too... if any ivtv coders are interrested...
[23:29:00] Chutt: cardoe, try disabling vbi in myth.
[23:29:00] Chutt: might have to reinit ivtv
[23:30:00] Cardoe: k
[23:31:00] Chutt: is that on your pvr-150?
[23:33:00] Cardoe: pvr-250
[23:33:00] Cardoe: I haven't gotten the 150 hooked up yet
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[23:35:00] Cardoe: the 150 is gonna go into a Genesi/Pegasos PPC board.
[23:35:00] Chutt: ah
[23:35:00] Cardoe: and also going to have a 500
[23:35:00] Cardoe: but it hasn't come yet.
[23:35:00] Cardoe: so I might be doing a whole bunch of ivtv testing
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[23:37:00] Cardoe: I dunno
[23:37:00] Cardoe: I have to go to work
[23:37:00] Cardoe: Gonna be so glad when I get internet at my new place tomorrow.
[23:37:00] Cardoe: and this weekend when all the people staying here LEAVE
[23:37:00] Cardoe: Jenn and I have 6 people total living here.
[23:37:00] Cardoe: in a 2 bedroom apartment.
[23:37:00] Cardoe: we're cramped and getting frustrated.
[23:37:00] Chutt: that's a big packed
[23:38:00] Cardoe: and I haven't had 5 minutes to myself to get my computers setup yet.
[23:38:00] Chutt: what the hell
[23:38:00] Chutt: ivtv's S_VBI_MODE ioctl handler acts just like their G_VBI_MODE handler
[23:38:00] Chutt: that doesn't make any sense
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[23:38:00] Cardoe: yeah that's gonna need to get fixed.
[23:38:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I feel for you, three people in my 2 bedroom apartment feels packed...
[23:38:00] Cardoe: I think something that needs to get done is Chris Kennedy needs to get slapped
[23:39:00] Cardoe: so he works nicely with the kernel devs.
[23:39:00] Cardoe: so he module doesn't conflict.
[23:39:00] Cardoe: and so he starts using some kind of source code control.
[23:44:00] GreyFoxx: hah
[23:44:00] GreyFoxx: They seem oddly against it
[23:44:00] GreyFoxx: "we like how we do it" is the only explaination anytime someone asks
[23:45:00] Cardoe: well I thought it was just Chris Kennedy
[23:45:00] Cardoe: who else works with him?
[23:45:00] Chutt: no one, really
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[23:46:00] Chutt: couple people do occasional patches – john harvey for the pvr-350 stuff, and hans verkull (sp?) for vbi stuff
[23:46:00] Cardoe: forgot Hans.
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[23:53:00] Chutt: heh
[23:54:00] Chutt: you're now an ivtv release behind
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