| Friday, August 5th, 2005, 00:02 UTC | ||
| [00:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Do you have any error messages? |
| [00:04:00] | atomjack: | you should install it on fedora instead and use jarod's guide...it's as easy as using apt-get to install the ivtv drivers |
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| [00:11:00] | k-man: | how can i add 2 dvb cards in mythtv-setup? |
| [00:11:00] | k-man: | it seems to only want to let me add one dvb card |
| [00:12:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [00:12:00] | k-man: | scratch taht |
| [00:12:00] | k-man: | i worked it out |
| [00:15:00] | xris: | man, mythweb needs a UI overhaul... |
| [00:16:00] | ** xris wonders who he needs to smack to make that happen. ** | |
| [00:16:00] | ** xris smacks himself. ** | |
| [00:16:00] | laga: | need some help? |
| [00:16:00] | laga: | with the smacking part, that is |
| [00:17:00] | xris: | that's ok |
| [00:17:00] | xris: | I've been making progress on cooktools... and once that's at least to a point where my wife can start plugging in recipes, I'll go back to mythweb. |
| [00:17:00] | laga: | cool :) |
| [00:18:00] | laga: | well, at least someone made a new theme for mythweb |
| [00:18:00] | xris: | and it'll be quite broken by the time I'm done with the UI overhaul |
| [00:18:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [00:19:00] | laga: | what are you going to do to it? :) |
| [00:19:00] | xris: | want to get to the point where there is only ONE theme for mythweb, maybe 2 (standard and minimal).. with the rest controlled via css. |
| [00:19:00] | laga: | that would be cool |
| [00:19:00] | xris: | cooktools is my testbed for these ideas, so I need to get that finished first. |
| [00:19:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [00:19:00] | laga: | cooking and hacking sounds great to me ;) |
| [00:20:00] | xris: | need to rewrite my own xhtml dtd, too.. to allow for <a js_href and <textarea autorows |
| [00:21:00] | laga: | and i need to catch up on my recordings instead of doing useful things. not that i've done anything useful in the past ;) |
| [00:22:00] | xris: | want to get a channel favorites editor added, too... |
| [00:22:00] | ulitz: | atomjack: I've done it in fedora a few times.. trying debian because I wanted to get webcam to work with v4l drivers |
| [00:22:00] | laga: | that'd be cool |
| [00:22:00] | xris: | catching up on my good eats archiving, though. about 6 shows encoded in the last day or so |
| [00:23:00] | xris: | ulitz: and webcam doesn't work in fedora? (reminds self to get webcam hooked up to the firewall enabled) |
| [00:23:00] | ulitz: | xris: using debian |
| [00:23:00] | ulitz: | needed v4l drivers to load and modprobe v4l doesn't seem to work.. neither does videodev |
| [00:24:00] | laga: | my webcam is broken in mythphone, the image is all blue |
| [00:27:00] | ulitz: | for some reason I can't seem to be able to install ivtv drivers as easy as in fedora with jarod |
| [00:28:00] | xris: | ulitz: that's understandable. |
| [00:28:00] | xris: | problematic as he is at times, axel (atrpms) is very good at kernel drivers like ivtv |
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| [00:30:00] | ulitz: | xris: does he support gnome |
| [00:31:00] | k-man: | is there a way to tell mythtv to use the same channel info for both cards? |
| [00:32:00] | k-man: | or do i have to do the scan on the other card too? (dvb cards that is) |
| [00:33:00] | xris: | what do you mean "support gnome"? |
| [00:34:00] | xris: | k-man: each card is assigned a listings source.. can just use the same listings source for each card. |
| [00:34:00] | ulitz: | xris: wasn't thinking.. having a little stress |
| [00:34:00] | ulitz: | meant debian but I know he doesn't |
| [00:35:00] | k-man: | xris, are you talking about programing info or channel tuning info? |
| [00:35:00] | xris: | k-man: programming |
| [00:36:00] | k-man: | xris, oh, im talking about the tuning info |
| [00:36:00] | xris: | that, I don't know. |
| [00:36:00] | k-man: | nm |
| [00:49:00] | Fosten: | hi, i'm trying to get audio working with my pvr500, i have tried reloading the msp3400 module after compiling ivtv driver, however i cannot seem to get modinfo msp3400 to link to the new module, any suggestions? |
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| [00:59:00] | fun: | fosten: i used yum to get the drivers, never had any trouble with my audio |
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| [01:08:00] | directhex: | evening |
| [01:08:00] | fun: | hi |
| [01:09:00] | fun: | can anyone help me get lirc working on fc3? ive tried 3 different methods now and keep running into different problems |
| [01:09:00] | directhex: | hands up if you have a cd writer, and use ide-scsi |
| [01:09:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [01:10:00] | directhex: | it's a simple enough question. i need some sample output from cdrecord on an ide-scsi system |
| [01:10:00] | mchou: | I was under the impression ide-scsi for cds was more or less deprecated. |
| [01:11:00] | directhex: | it is. but it's also what mythmusic relies on, unneccessarily |
| [01:11:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [01:11:00] | mchou: | mythmusic works fine fo me w/o ide-scsi |
| [01:11:00] | mchou: | for* |
| [01:11:00] | directhex: | myhmusic's cd recording functions parse output from "cdrecord --scanbus" to list which cd writers are available, and present a list |
| [01:12:00] | mchou: | so? |
| [01:12:00] | mchou: | scanbus works for ATA |
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| [01:12:00] | directhex: | certainly with vanilla cdrecord, scanbus returns nothing unless you also pass -dev=ATA |
| [01:12:00] | mchou: | so? |
| [01:12:00] | mchou: | what's the big deal? |
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| [01:13:00] | mchou: | sounds like you need to patch cdrecord :) |
| [01:13:00] | directhex: | mythmusic doesn't list any cd writers, because it doesn't use -dev=ATA |
| [01:13:00] | mchou: | or change the myth code. |
| [01:13:00] | directhex: | and patching cdrecord is pointless, since jorg schilling doesn't accept patches that improve it in any way, especially when it comes to ide-cd |
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| [01:14:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
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| [01:14:00] | mchou: | who said schilling had to accept it? |
| [01:14:00] | directhex: | right. change the myth code. what a good idea. but before doing so, perhaps it would be prident to make sure that ide-cd systems won't result in duplicate entries |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [01:15:00] | directhex: | christ all fucking mighty |
| [01:15:00] | directhex: | i... need... sample... data... to... avoid... duplication... of... options |
| [01:15:00] | mchou: | no, you're just being daft. |
| [01:16:00] | directhex: | ...right, sure, whatever |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | fucking try w/ and w/o -dev=ATA, look at the goddamn output |
| [01:16:00] | mchou: | cant be more fucking different |
| [01:17:00] | atomjack: | can anyone help me? i finally got myth to display HD channels via my hd-3000 card, but 1080i content doesn't play very well – usually it pauses every 1 or 2 seconds for about half a second |
| [01:18:00] | atomjack: | if i copy the .ts file it made (actually renaming it from .nuv to .ts) and then view it in mythvideo, it plays just fine though |
| [01:18:00] | schweeb: | directhex: joerg schilling doesn't accept patches... but you can patch it yourself |
| [01:18:00] | schweeb: | and compile it yourself |
| [01:18:00] | Chutt: | and if you patch something yourself, it doesn't help any other users. |
| [01:19:00] | directhex: | schweeb, that would be nice of me. i already have a tiny fix which makes it work for me & me alone. it would be nice as a, y'know, open sourc ething, to patch myth not to need it |
| [01:19:00] | Chutt: | mchou, stop being such a moron |
| [01:19:00] | schweeb: | Chutt: well, that's about all you can do w/ cdrecord, is put a patch up somewhere |
| [01:19:00] | schweeb: | since joerg's restricted his licensing |
| [01:19:00] | Chutt: | schweeb, unless it's easily worked around in myth |
| [01:19:00] | Chutt: | which, <gasp>, it is |
| [01:19:00] | schweeb: | sure |
| [01:20:00] | directhex: | so i implement the patch in myth. specifically, in mythplugins-0.18.1/mythmusic/mythmusic/globalsettings.cpp |
| [01:20:00] | Chutt: | he just needs info from someone using 2.4 + ide-scsi to make sure it works there, too |
| [01:21:00] | schweeb: | or you could put an eval for kernel version |
| [01:21:00] | fun: | im trying to make lirc, but the configuration fails saying i need to have the linux source installed. i do have the source for my kernel installed in /usr/src/kernel – is lirc config looking somewhere else for it? |
| [01:21:00] | schweeb: | and keep the existing stuff for 2.4, and use the new patch for 2.6 |
| [01:21:00] | directhex: | on later 2.4 kernels you can use ide-scsi or ide-cd. which overcomplicates matters |
| [01:22:00] | directhex: | it really is a trivial patch. i just want to make sure it doesn't offer duplicate options. frankly, it seems that much is too much of a bother |
| [01:22:00] | Chutt: | schweeb, extra complication for something that's quite easy :p |
| [01:23:00] | schweeb: | heh, using 2.4 is a complication, unless you actually need it for something specific :p |
| [01:24:00] | directhex: | schweeb, run mythfrontend. go to the mythmusic settings. go to the cd recorder windows. they all specify a requirement of 2.4's ide-scsi, unneccessarily. i'm trying to fix myth. |
| [01:24:00] | schweeb: | anyone have anything good/bad to say about PVR-500 and PVR-350? |
| [01:24:00] | schweeb: | directhex: don't have a myth box yet, lurking in here preparing to build one |
| [01:24:00] | schweeb: | :p |
| [01:24:00] | directhex: | anyway, i see how to do it now |
| [01:24:00] | fun: | i like my pvr-500 |
| [01:25:00] | fun: | using two now – had some trouble getting them working – but ive had trouble getting just about every part of myth working |
| [01:25:00] | fun: | theyre running well now though |
| [01:26:00] | schweeb: | thinking of the pvr-500 and a silverstonetek case... dunno about cpu/mobo yet... but the silverstonetek cases seem a little... pricy |
| [01:26:00] | directhex: | took me about 6 months to get to where i am now, some due to kernel issues, some due to hardware issues, some due to just not having the energy to fight it |
| [01:26:00] | directhex: | noooooooooo, not a silverstone |
| [01:26:00] | schweeb: | what's wrong with em? |
| [01:26:00] | directhex: | wasted a few months on that one |
| [01:26:00] | directhex: | were you looking at the LC11? |
| [01:26:00] | fun: | ive got an lc03v – not a bad case but i wish it had more 3.5" bays |
| [01:26:00] | schweeb: | LC14M |
| [01:26:00] | fun: | also havent gotten the vfd working yet |
| [01:26:00] | schweeb: | with the VFD and IR |
| [01:26:00] | directhex: | certainly my LC11 had a load of major design flaws |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [01:27:00] | schweeb: | fun: is that an iMon? |
| [01:27:00] | mchou: | such as? |
| [01:27:00] | schweeb: | directhex: like what? |
| [01:27:00] | fun: | iMon? |
| [01:27:00] | schweeb: | it's a brand of VFD and/or IR |
| [01:27:00] | schweeb: | http://imon.soundgraph.com |
| [01:28:00] | directhex: | the AGP/PCI riser doesn't work. at all. the pci part results in cards not being detected half the time, the agp part gives graphicsl corruption. there's a large rivet in the case right where you put a vga cable, making it somewhat hard to plug in a screen. the hard disk bay isn't designed for sata drives, as sata cables are blocked by the front fan |
| [01:28:00] | schweeb: | silverstone integrates them into some of the cases |
| [01:28:00] | fun: | im not sure what kind of vfd it is, i know is based on something hitachi |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | directhex: ouch! |
| [01:28:00] | directhex: | fixed a pile of problems i was having bu replacing the silverstone with a coolermaster |
| [01:28:00] | schweeb: | there's a reason I'm not buying one with the riser |
| [01:28:00] | schweeb: | because risers suck |
| [01:28:00] | mchou: | directhex: massive case mod? |
| [01:29:00] | mchou: | I hate darn rivets |
| [01:29:00] | directhex: | mchou, just a bog standard coolermaster cavalier 4 – slightly larger than the lc11, but no risers or rivets in sight |
| [01:29:00] | directhex: | it's also a quieter case, which is nice |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | which one is the cav 4. the one with two handles? |
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| [01:30:00] | mchou: | yo! kevin_ |
| [01:30:00] | directhex: | http://www.caseclosed.co.uk/content/coolermas . . . /large/1.jpg |
| [01:30:00] | directhex: | it doesn't look as nice, there's no question of that. but it *does* work |
| [01:30:00] | kevin_: | hey hey =) |
| [01:33:00] | directhex: | hmph, i don't know enough c++ |
| [01:33:00] | schweeb: | directhex: if I were to get a case w/ a riser, I'd get one that was a shuttle barebones or similar... ensures that things'll work and fit a bit better |
| [01:34:00] | Fosten: | hi, i'm trying to get audio working with my pvr500, i have tried reloading the msp3400 module after compiling ivtv driver, however i cannot seem to get modinfo msp3400 to link to the new module, any suggestions? |
| [01:34:00] | directhex: | schweeb, shuttles don't have risers though |
| [01:34:00] | schweeb: | directhex: yea, just sayin, something that comes barebones |
| [01:35:00] | schweeb: | better example would be the pundit I guess |
| [01:35:00] | laga: | Fosten: run depmod -ae? after removing the old module, of course. with rm. ;) |
| [01:35:00] | k-man: | anyone know which driver i need to install for ac97 sound to work? |
| [01:36:00] | Fosten: | laga, i have already tried that |
| [01:36:00] | Fosten: | laga: here is the output of modinfo msp3400 http://rafb.net/paste/results/hhx1TK12.html |
| [01:36:00] | laga: | Fosten: have you actually deleted the kernel module on the file system? |
| [01:36:00] | laga: | the old one, that is |
| [01:38:00] | Fosten: | well there are two /lib/modules/uname-r/ivtv/msp3400.ko and /lib/modules/uname-r/extra/msp3400.ko.... when i recompile ivtv it only creates the "ivtv" not the "extra" one |
| [01:39:00] | Fosten: | laga: i'm not even sure if this is the problem, i'm kind of searching for answers... video works fine but no audio... i am working on a gentoo system |
| [01:39:00] | laga: | try mv /lib/modules/uname-r/extra/msp3400.ko /lib/modules/uname-r/extra/msp3400.ko.backup && depmod -ae |
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| [01:40:00] | atomjack: | woohoo finally got myth to view and record HD channels |
| [01:41:00] | mchou: | directhex: hmm, havent seen that case in person myself..... |
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| [02:02:00] | Agrajag-: | ok here's the deal. i've managed to come across a nice large tv. i have a nvidia fx5200 that does tv out. but i'd like to be able to use the computer at the same time |
| [02:02:00] | Agrajag-: | what're my options, if any :P |
| [02:04:00] | Agrajag-: | perhaps getting a decent pci tv out card (does that kind of thing exist?) so that i can run another X server on it is going to be the way i have to go |
| [02:04:00] | abarbaccia: | Agrajag-, i dont think you can do that...and if you can it'd be terribly difficult |
| [02:05:00] | Agrajag-: | hey wait i've found this |
| [02:05:00] | Agrajag-: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Separate_x-scree . . . nitor_and_TV |
| [02:06:00] | abarbaccia: | if you can do it – sick |
| [02:06:00] | Agrajag-: | that seems to show that you can run multiple X sessions using the same pci bus (which i would've thought was impossible) |
| [02:06:00] | Agrajag-: | i don't trust gentoo users :P |
| [02:06:00] | Agrajag-: | but i'll try that when i get home |
| [02:08:00] | Agrajag-: | oh wait that's just multiple screens not multiple X sessions |
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| [02:08:00] | Agrajag-: | so yeah.. i guess that'd work. dont know how input to mythtv would work... guess mythfrontend would have to have focus |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | right |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | which would suck |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | i think the way to do it is somehow trick it into logging into a VNC server... |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | yea – im going nowhere with this one |
| [02:14:00] | Agrajag-: | heh |
| [02:14:00] | Agrajag-: | i think a 2nd video card (just for tv out) would be good. then i can just run another X session on that |
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| [02:16:00] | DCG: | Agrajag-: just dont use an ati card for the video out :P |
| [02:16:00] | DCG: | i've yet to get my radeon 9200se to do xv on tvout |
| [02:16:00] | Agrajag-: | dont plan to.. are there any good (cheap) cards that are designed just for tv out? (that work on linux of course) |
| [02:17:00] | DCG: | pvr350 has integrated tv out :) |
| [02:17:00] | Agrajag-: | i use dvb |
| [02:17:00] | DCG: | well it still could be useful even with dvb |
| [02:18:00] | kormoc: | Agrajag-, nvidia cards tend to work well for tvout |
| [02:18:00] | Agrajag-: | i guess finding a plain pci card (not pci-e) might be a bit hard though |
| [02:18:00] | kormoc: | nah |
| [02:18:00] | kormoc: | there's lots of 5200 pci cards out there |
| [02:18:00] | DCG: | $50 at staples for a cheap geforce pci |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | and lots of earlier ones too |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | just make sure it's a GeForce 3 or higher |
| [02:19:00] | Agrajag-: | bbl |
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| [02:22:00] | directhex: | yay! it works :) |
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| [02:26:00] | directhex: | i'll make a diff and post it somewhere appropriate after sleepings. night night. |
| [02:26:00] | mchou: | no make sure it's geforce4 mx or higher |
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| [02:39:00] | DCG: | mchou: bah, tv out on the nv2a is working better than tvout on my gf6800u |
| [02:39:00] | mchou: | nv2a? |
| [02:40:00] | DCG: | xbox nvidia gpu |
| [02:40:00] | mchou: | heh, no doubt. |
| [02:40:00] | DCG: | i get noticable tearing low framerates, etc on the 6800 |
| [02:40:00] | mchou: | yeah, ppl have reported that |
| [02:40:00] | mchou: | what kind of TV? |
| [02:41:00] | DCG: | but the output of the nv2a looks perfect and is barely discernable from the original signal |
| [02:41:00] | DCG: | 32" phillips HDTV |
| [02:41:00] | DCG: | if i didnt have to unplug the component cables to use vga in i'd use that |
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| [02:42:00] | kormoc: | DCG, are you using the 6800 in multihead mode? |
| [02:42:00] | DCG: | but for now i'm using svideo, and on the analog channels its almost impossible to tell |
| [02:42:00] | DCG: | kormoc: nope |
| [02:42:00] | mchou: | svideo??? |
| [02:42:00] | mchou: | you daft? |
| [02:42:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [02:42:00] | DCG: | its that or spend $ i dont have on switch boxes |
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| [02:43:00] | DCG: | i need to find/make a component video auto-switch |
| [02:43:00] | kormoc: | DCG, I'll trade you a slightly used but quite stable, working fx5800 for your 6800@ ;) |
| [02:43:00] | DCG: | sorry, no can do, i need the power of the pci-e |
| [02:44:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [02:44:00] | mchou: | need the power of pci-e. That's classic |
| [02:44:00] | DCG: | strange thing, i've found using mplayer classic to stream .nuv from my backend with mythweb is more stable than using the frontend under knoppmyth on the same machine (wireless) |
| [02:45:00] | DCG: | well i've got pci-e slots and no agp, and i can't stand to use a pci video card |
| [02:45:00] | DCG: | plus the ability to go SLi is important |
| [02:45:00] | mchou: | I dont get it. |
| [02:45:00] | DCG: | i mainly use my amd64 box for games and dev in windows |
| [02:45:00] | mchou: | what's the big deal about SLI if you dont play games? |
| [02:46:00] | kormoc: | Well, if I was you, I'd try the 6xxx drivers, as the 7xxx have some random performance issues on random cards here and there. |
| [02:46:00] | kormoc: | but with that, I head home |
| [02:46:00] | DCG: | occasionally to watch shows recorded with mythtv |
| [02:46:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
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| [02:46:00] | mchou: | DCG: you need SLI for that? |
| [02:46:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [02:46:00] | DCG: | heh, no but for games :) |
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| [02:47:00] | DCG: | being able to run stuff at 1600x1200 @ 75hz with fsaa/af is nice |
| [02:47:00] | mchou: | DCG: what games do you play? |
| [02:47:00] | mchou: | I've been out of the game scene |
| [02:47:00] | DCG: | bf2 is about all i've got installed right now |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | is that linux native? |
| [02:48:00] | DCG: | windows |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | bah. |
| [02:48:00] | mchou: | I dont even have windows installed now. |
| [02:49:00] | DCG: | only machines running linux in my house right now are a maxtor shared storage, mythbackend, and a mythfrontend (xbox) |
| [02:49:00] | mchou: | maybe your router too :) |
| [02:49:00] | DCG: | nope |
| [02:49:00] | DCG: | it runs some garbage RTOS |
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| [02:49:00] | DCG: | unfortunatly |
| [02:50:00] | mchou: | what model router? |
| [02:50:00] | DCG: | not gonna upgrade routers until n stuff comes out |
| [02:50:00] | DCG: | D-Link 614+ |
| [02:50:00] | mchou: | ok. |
| [02:50:00] | DCG: | garbage slow 802.11b |
| [02:50:00] | DCG: | loves to drop connections |
| [02:51:00] | DCG: | psp hates it, etc |
| [02:51:00] | mchou: | heck, and you watch HDTV via myth on that ? :) |
| [02:51:00] | mchou: | seems like you have wrong priorities :) |
| [02:51:00] | DCG: | right now not doing hdtv capture with myth |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | no wonder you use svideo |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [02:52:00] | DCG: | gotta recover from some hardware problems first |
| [02:52:00] | DCG: | last weekend had 2 hdds, 2 mobos, 2 powersupplies, and 2gb of ram go up in smoke |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | like? |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | ooh.... |
| [02:52:00] | mchou: | lightning? |
| [02:52:00] | DCG: | motor controllers on the hdds burst into flames (one day appart) |
| [02:52:00] | DCG: | dont know |
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| [02:53:00] | DCG: | power regulation on the first mobo died and the machine shutoff and woldnt turn back on |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | what drives were these? |
| [02:53:00] | DCG: | maxtor |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | ouch |
| [02:53:00] | DCG: | so swapped mobos, 1st hdd burst into flames |
| [02:53:00] | mchou: | what mobo? |
| [02:53:00] | MrSpiffy: | yoyo |
| [02:54:00] | DCG: | msi k7n delta2 |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | haha, serves you right :) |
| [02:54:00] | MrSpiffy: | quck question – what are the command line settings for xine in mythtv instead of mplayer ? |
| [02:54:00] | DCG: | 2nd hdd seemed ok, put it in a usb enclosure |
| [02:54:00] | mchou: | MSI junk. |
| [02:54:00] | DCG: | 2nd hdd burst into flames (usb enclosure survived) |
| [02:54:00] | DCG: | now we are assembling the 3rd rebuild |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | new psu, new mobo, minimal components |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | you could have startd a fire and sued :) |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | my dad's machines |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | hes spent $800 this week trying to get things up and running again |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | so? |
| [02:55:00] | mchou: | doesnyt mean you dont have grounds to sue :) |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | and hes got another $800 to spend on drive recovery |
| [02:55:00] | DCG: | heh |
| [02:56:00] | mchou: | DCG: stay away from my computers |
| [02:56:00] | mchou: | dont need your evil eye. |
| [02:56:00] | DCG: | already gonna rma the first two boards to msi, and after the drives are recovered they are gonna be filled with thermite and left on maxtor's front lawn |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | I dont get it. |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | in general i hate maxtor drives |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | i've had 8 maxtors now fail |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | i dont buy them anymore |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | like were there sparks coming out the drive or what? |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | my dad continues to though |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | 4" flame shooting down from the motor controller chip |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | http://www.drivesavers.com/disaster_recovery/surge.html |
| [02:57:00] | mchou: | wow |
| [02:57:00] | DCG: | thats what the chip looked like |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | heh, better call UL :) |
| [02:58:00] | DCG: | hehe |
| [02:58:00] | mchou: | that's a serious fire hazard |
| [02:58:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | MSI power regulation was most likely at falt |
| [03:00:00] | mchou: | fault. |
| [03:00:00] | DCG: | yea |
| [03:00:00] | DCG: | brb |
| [03:00:00] | atomjack: | anyone here have an hd-3000? |
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| [03:12:00] | ** xris smacks himself, do NOT open the avi file in a text editor... ** | |
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| [03:14:00] | DCG: | heh |
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| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | er |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | ok folks |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | I wiped my video list |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | avi's |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | the mount is there, and I add – nada |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | no video's found |
| [03:15:00] | MrSpiffy: | can I force myth tp re-scan that directory? |
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| [03:19:00] | xris: | MrSpiffy: same way you did it the first time |
| [03:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | hmm |
| [03:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | very odd |
| [03:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | I got my other pc to re-add them |
| [03:19:00] | MrSpiffy: | very odd |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | dumped all the imdb info |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | xris, I made progress with the set top box |
| [03:20:00] | xris: | cool |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | been tweaking the ui most of the day |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | tring to get it sized to the tv |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | tough |
| [03:20:00] | MrSpiffy: | got it wireless too |
| [03:21:00] | MrSpiffy: | problem with mplayer – skippy – moving to xine |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | try nice -0 |
| [03:22:00] | fun: | ls |
| [03:22:00] | xris: | or use the internal player |
| [03:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | in the mplayer setting? |
| [03:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | I'll try it |
| [03:22:00] | MrSpiffy: | it's skippy playing big avi files over wireless |
| [03:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | woops |
| [03:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | I put the posters in the same dir as the video's |
| [03:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | now they're in the list |
| [03:23:00] | MrSpiffy: | rats |
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| [03:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | cool! |
| [03:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | xine is as smooth as glass |
| [03:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | rats |
| [03:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | it takes control of the keys |
| [03:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | after quiting the movie I hav no highlight in myth |
| [03:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | always something |
| [03:40:00] | fun: | how can i change the permissions on a file to crw-r--r--? |
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| [03:47:00] | xris: | MrSpiffy: xine has issues with how it returns focus when it quits... |
| [03:47:00] | fun: | i read that but havent had a problem with it... |
| [03:47:00] | fun: | when xine quite mythtv gets the focus for me |
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| [03:54:00] | smoke_: | anyone here using the ati remote wonder? |
| [03:59:00] | fun: | does anyone know the command to make the lirc device? mknod or makedev? |
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| [04:04:00] | fun: | mrspiffy: what command di you end up using for xine? |
| [04:04:00] | MrSpiffy: | xris, yeah – this bites |
| [04:04:00] | MrSpiffy: | xris, focus is foobar |
| [04:05:00] | fun: | im using "xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd://" and i dont have the focus problem |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | MrSpiffy: Are you using a Window Manager at all ? |
| [04:06:00] | fun: | but if it still doesnt work theres a workaround to set window focus to follow the mouse and then leave your mouse in the center of teh screen – when xine quits mythtv qill get the focus |
| [04:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Only time I've ever had focus issues has been when not running a window manager |
| [04:07:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, yes – I am using blackbox |
| [04:08:00] | MrSpiffy: | GreyFoxx, required for keys in mplayer and such |
| [04:08:00] | MrSpiffy: | fun, been playing with it: xine -I -g -f -V Xv -pq %s |
| [04:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | oh yeah |
| [04:09:00] | fun: | i havent really tested playing videos – i know i dont have the focus issue with dvds though |
| [04:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | and |
| [04:09:00] | MrSpiffy: | --no-splash |
| [04:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | fun, same problem – bug is reported on xine sourceforge site |
| [04:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | arg |
| [04:10:00] | MrSpiffy: | still working on it |
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| [04:14:00] | tps: | hi all |
| [04:15:00] | tps: | is anyone here running nuvexport on a dedicated frontend? |
| [04:17:00] | xris: | MrSpiffy: it's a xine bug. drives me nuts even when I use it from the cli |
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| [04:18:00] | xris: | tps: not a dedicated one, but I do my nuvexport development on a frontend only box.. |
| [04:18:00] | MrSpiffy: | arg |
| [04:18:00] | MrSpiffy: | and mplayer is skipper |
| [04:18:00] | tps: | can I ask you a few questions? |
| [04:18:00] | MrSpiffy: | skippy |
| [04:19:00] | maxie: | hey team |
| [04:20:00] | maxie: | first time on irc |
| [04:20:00] | tps: | xris: I have the mysql.txt file set up right, since the front end works |
| [04:20:00] | maxie: | need to get myth and sql happy |
| [04:21:00] | tps: | xris: I have the BE recordings dir nfs mounted on the same place on the FE |
| [04:21:00] | maxie: | cant access anything through sql |
| [04:21:00] | maxie: | what am i doing here? |
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| [04:21:00] | tps: | xris: as a regular user, nuvexport sees nothing |
| [04:21:00] | tps: | maxie: What are you trying to see? |
| [04:22:00] | tps: | xris: as root, nuvexport shows: Loading MythTV recording info. |
| [04:22:00] | tps: | 100% |
| [04:22:00] | tps: | Found 10 files, but no matching database entries. |
| [04:22:00] | maxie: | thanks. get mythtv wtf |
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| [04:24:00] | tps: | xris: It's obvious I'm missing something simple, but my brain is fried |
| [04:27:00] | smoke_: | anyone here use ati remote wonder? |
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| [04:28:00] | MrSpiffy: | haven't found a work around for that focus bug yet |
| [04:29:00] | MrSpiffy: | I found that going into a setup menu puts things back to right |
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| [04:29:00] | maxie: | try again |
| [04:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | done fiddling for now |
| [04:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | l8r |
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| [04:31:00] | maxie: | no user can access database of mysql. Failed to init MythContext |
| [04:31:00] | xris: | tps: update nuvexport, and/or modify nuvexportrc so that it doesn't default to require_cutlist being on |
| [04:33:00] | maxie: | i think database is set ok |
| [04:33:00] | maxie: | i think database is not ok |
| [04:34:00] | maxie: | this is why i have never used irc in 9 years |
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| [04:35:00] | charlesv: | heya |
| [04:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is Mysql running? |
| [04:35:00] | maxie: | i really hate these linux never-ending rabbitt holes |
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| [04:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | hahah |
| [04:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | pathetic |
| [04:36:00] | charlesv: | so if i were to get an hdtv card that they might sell at fry's to use with mythtv what would you suggest |
| [04:36:00] | tps: | xris: just got the latest from the web site. I'll look at the rc file |
| [04:36:00] | charlesv: | or do you think they only sell the ati |
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| [04:43:00] | tps: | xris: Nope, that didn't change anything. Any other ideas for me? If not, I'll just start hacking perl to see where it craps itself |
| [04:43:00] | tps: | xris: I'm running nuvexport 0.2, it that matters |
| [04:55:00] | xris: | tps: latest? |
| [04:55:00] | xris: | they're all .2 |
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| [04:56:00] | xris: | I'm still convinced that something is setting the require_cutlist option — that's the only time I've ever seen your error. and I know one of my releases had that set on by default (which it shouldn't be) |
| [05:00:00] | tps: | I got it about a week ago. |
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| [05:02:00] | xris: | from my website, or from some distro? |
| [05:02:00] | xris: | my only suggestion is to make sure you don't have nuvexportrc anywhere (in /etc or your .nuvexportrc in your homedir)... beyond that, I'll be back later, so bug me then and I'll see if we can debug further. |
| [05:03:00] | tps: | xris: from your website |
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| [05:03:00] | xris: | only other thing off-hand I can think of is if the video dir nuvexport is pulling form the db does not match the hostname it's detecting. |
| [05:04:00] | tps: | xris: OK. I'm goign to bed. Gotta deal with the FBI folks early in the morning. I'll catch up with you tomorrow or some othertime |
| [05:04:00] | tps: | I'll try setting the hostname |
| [05:06:00] | tps: | xris: Nope, no change if I set the hostname in mysql.txt. I'm done for the night. Us old farts need our sleep |
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| [05:10:00] | tps: | nite all |
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| [05:52:00] | joevslc: | I was just watching some recorded material when my screen went blue |
| [05:52:00] | joevslc: | now, all recordings will only show a blue screen |
| [05:52:00] | joevslc: | leaving the playback allows me to see the myth interface |
| [05:53:00] | joevslc: | I tried killing and restarting both backend abd frontend |
| [05:53:00] | joevslc: | no luck ;(( |
| [05:53:00] | joevslc: | seems lots of stuff on Google but no solution |
| [05:53:00] | joevslc: | anyone know what's going on? |
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| [05:57:00] | joevslc: | so, does anyone know how to get rid of this blue screen and see my recordings again? |
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| [06:06:00] | travolta: | press c ? |
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| [06:06:00] | joevslc: | c ?? |
| [06:06:00] | travolta: | change to tuner instead of s-video/etc |
| [06:07:00] | joevslc: | using dvi |
| [06:07:00] | joevslc: | same thing happens when I switch to watch live |
| [06:07:00] | joevslc: | preview is blue and so is live |
| [06:07:00] | joevslc: | recorded previews show fine |
| [06:07:00] | travolta: | did you try pressing "C" while watching tv ? |
| [06:07:00] | joevslc: | no |
| [06:08:00] | joevslc: | lemme fire the box back up and try |
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| [06:09:00] | joevslc: | restarting now |
| [06:12:00] | joevslc: | hmmmmm, worked fine after restart without doing anything |
| [06:13:00] | joevslc: | firing up my projector to make sure it works there, too |
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| [06:18:00] | joevslc: | all is well after restart |
| [06:18:00] | joevslc: | strange |
| [06:19:00] | joevslc: | i'll keep the c thing in mind future |
| [06:19:00] | joevslc: | thanks |
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| [06:21:00] | JeepJerk: | got a coding question |
| [06:21:00] | JeepJerk: | I'm trying to add a field to the recorded programs browser |
| [06:21:00] | JeepJerk: | got the XML theme data done |
| [06:22:00] | JeepJerk: | and added the member to programinfo |
| [06:22:00] | JeepJerk: | updated the serializer/deserializer for that object too but I can't figure out when its getting the data from the datbase so my new field never gets loaded |
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| [07:14:00] | charlesv: | anyone been to fry's lately and know what HD tuner cards they carry? |
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| [07:24:00] | xris: | doubtful they carry the only 2 that work well with mythtv |
| [07:24:00] | charlesv: | which are... myHD and HD3k? |
| [07:24:00] | xris: | hd3k and air2pc |
| [07:24:00] | charlesv: | hmk |
| [07:24:00] | charlesv: | i've got a pair of air2pc r0.2s |
| [07:25:00] | charlesv: | that i'd love to get working eventually |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | air2pc is on serious backorder |
| [07:25:00] | charlesv: | but i've not found anyone who's gotten them working succesfully |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | dunno what version I have |
| [07:25:00] | charlesv: | r0.2 has broadcom tuner |
| [07:25:00] | charlesv: | as opposed to nexant or w/e |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | unless there's a way to tell without cracking the case, I'll be no help. not about to risk destabilizing my mythbox. |
| [07:26:00] | charlesv: | hee |
| [07:27:00] | charlesv: | if it works, it's most likely an r2 or r3 both of which use the supported tuner |
| [07:27:00] | charlesv: | broadcom support was just put in linux-dvb about 2 weeks ago from whati can tell |
| [07:27:00] | xris: | ahh |
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| [07:27:00] | xris: | yeah, it's an older card |
| [07:27:00] | charlesv: | i may try and get a fusion hdtv5 and build a dual boot MCE / Myth box until support comes for that |
| [07:30:00] | xris: | I don't do any hd stuff.. never saw the need (the air2pc was given to me) |
| [07:32:00] | fryfrog: | 1.2TB due in tomorow! :) |
| [07:32:00] | xris: | that's a lot of disk |
| [07:33:00] | fryfrog: | yes, it'll be 400G more than i have now :) |
| [07:33:00] | xris: | I used to think I needed a lot of space... but just can't even seem to fill my measly 450G. |
| [07:34:00] | fryfrog: | i'm gonna combine my file server and myth into one box |
| [07:34:00] | fryfrog: | i got about 600G of stuff, 200G of myth |
| [07:34:00] | fryfrog: | so that'll give me a little extra myth room and a much quieter compute rroom :) |
| [07:35:00] | fryfrog: | well, 1.2TB RAID5'd |
| [07:35:00] | fryfrog: | raid0'd be like 1.5 TB rar! |
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| [08:58:00] | Jay: | I have a stupid question. I compiled and installed mythplugins, but when I start mythfrontend, none of the plugins show up. What else do I need to be able to use the plugins? |
| [08:59:00] | fryfrog: | in gentoo, they just showed up after i emerged them |
| [09:00:00] | fryfrog: | i assume by "compiled and installed" you mean you put them where myth expects them? |
| [09:03:00] | Jay: | I'm using debian. I did ./configure --enable-all --disable-festival && qmake mythplugins.pro && make && make install |
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| [09:04:00] | BMOC: | hi |
| [09:04:00] | BMOC: | how do i use mythmusic outside of mythfrontend? |
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| [09:21:00] | Jay: | I guess I'm asking if anyone knows were mythtv expects to find the plugins? |
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| [09:27:00] | fatmatt: | Jay: I normally use deb packages, but I did compile once and the plugins were being put in a different directory, usr/share vs usr/local I think.. but I'm probably wrong |
| [09:28:00] | many: | no. |
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| [09:29:00] | many: | (youre not wrong) |
| [09:29:00] | BMOC: | mchou: yay |
| [09:33:00] | Jay: | ok, I'll look into that. I appreciate the response. |
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| [09:35:00] | fatmatt: | fatmatt: there's a flag or something you can set to put them in the right place, I just moved the files it created |
| [09:35:00] | poonj: | hey guys, for nuvexport, I need a perl module Time::HiRes. Does anyone know the debian package that comes with that perl module? |
| [09:38:00] | BMOC: | probably perl-Time-HiRes |
| [09:38:00] | poonj: | okay, i believe I need perl 5.8 |
| [09:38:00] | poonj: | I think thats why nuvexport is flaking on me! |
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| [09:54:00] | poonj: | ummm |
| [09:54:00] | poonj: | ffmpeg gives me errors |
| [09:54:00] | poonj: | this isn't good |
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| [10:44:00] | XAD|off: | anyone playing around with radio on PVR500?? |
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| [10:51:00] | fweeee: | Anyone around? I'm having trouble getting my TV guide information to populate. |
| [10:57:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, the answer to your question, if anyone is around, is not related to your problem... ;-) |
| [11:00:00] | fweeee: | :) |
| [11:00:00] | fweeee: | OK then – let me rephrase that – is anyone around who can help me with the problem I'm having, of not being able to get TV Guide information to populate. |
| [11:00:00] | fweeee: | happy? |
| [11:01:00] | XAD|onoff: | :-D..., include which service you want to use (or at lest which country you are in) and what your problem is... |
| [11:01:00] | directhex|work: | can you elaborate on what is happening, what should be happening, and what you're doing to make it happen |
| [11:02:00] | fweeee: | Australia – d1.com.au |
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| [11:04:00] | fweeee: | Well – I'm running the "mythfilldatabase" line, it downloads a bunch of stuff – but doesnt seem to populate anything. |
| [11:04:00] | fweeee: | I get a whole bunch of lines that start "no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/..." |
| [11:04:00] | fweeee: | I suspect that might have something to do with it... |
| [11:05:00] | directhex|work: | are you using the replacement au grabbers from the mailing lists? |
| [11:06:00] | XAD|onoff: | have you got the list of channels to select?? has it been working before?? |
| [11:06:00] | fweeee: | Yep – using one that worked for me about 2 months back during a previous install (with a different linux distro) |
| [11:07:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: I have all the channels tuned in, and have set the XMLTVID to things like freesd.Sydney.2.d1.com.au |
| [11:08:00] | directhex|work: | so you're using one from 2 months back, which doesn't take accou t of some change to the au grabber's source in the past week or so? |
| [11:09:00] | fweeee: | What exactly is a pid anyway? |
| [11:09:00] | fweeee: | directhex|work: How often do these sources change? |
| [11:10:00] | directhex|work: | fweeee, in the case of ninemsn, it appears fairly frequently |
| [11:11:00] | fweeee: | I'm doubting very much so they would change – considering that the company that maintains the aussie guides is a company that sells boxes with mythtv installed on them – if they went and changed it, they would have lots of calls from angry customers. |
| [11:12:00] | fweeee: | Hang on – I'm getting these listings from d1.com.au – not ninemsn, arnt I? |
| [11:12:00] | directhex|work: | well fine, i' just looking at 53 messages in the past 4 days about tv_grab_au being broken |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/02082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/03082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/0WorldClient.dll?View=Main4082005/guide. |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/05082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/06082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/07082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | no pids in /var/local/tv_grab_au/08082005/guide.prn |
| [11:14:00] | directhex|work: | ^^ that familiar? |
| [11:15:00] | fweeee: | Oh. Yes. Thanks. That looks very familiar – I just did a google for "no pids in", and got next to nothing. |
| [11:15:00] | fweeee: | Where abouts is that? |
| [11:15:00] | fweeee: | Thanks. |
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| [11:16:00] | directhex|work: | in the mailing lists, it's covered extensively |
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| [11:19:00] | fweeee: | Oh – I havnt quite worked out mailing lists yet. I love forums, but I joined a mailing list once, and quickly unsubscribed after I got a whole bunch of emails – I think I was using it wrong. |
| [11:20:00] | directhex|work: | give me an email address, i'll forward you what appear to be 2 correct patches to make it work |
| [11:21:00] | fweeee: | I'm searching through the mythtv mailing list now – and I see an attachment. |
| [11:22:00] | fweeee: | Thank you. I'll play with this for a bit... |
| [11:23:00] | directhex|work: | paul andreassen appears to have the most "fixed" version |
| [11:23:00] | directhex|work: | but you also want to change the days grabbed from 14 to 7 |
| [11:24:00] | fweeee: | Oh? Whats wrong with 14? |
| [11:25:00] | directhex|work: | apparently ninemsn only have 7 days' data to give |
| [11:25:00] | fweeee: | Ahhh. |
| [11:26:00] | fweeee: | Oh, so d1.com.au changes cause they get their data from ninemsn, and ninemsn stuffs them around? |
| [11:27:00] | directhex|work: | nah, from what i can tell, d1 just keeps breaking on its own |
| [11:27:00] | directhex|work: | old tv_grab_au scripts use d1, newer versions use ninemsn |
| [11:28:00] | fweeee: | Oh – and... do you know which is better? |
| [11:28:00] | fweeee: | I wouldnt have much faith in ninemsn – they are partnered with MS, and I wouldnt put it pass them to deliberatly hinder linux based PDR's. |
| [11:29:00] | directhex|work: | there are more than just linux systems using xmltv. most commercial windows ones do also |
| [11:30:00] | fweeee: | Ahhh – and they all use the same standards? |
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| [11:30:00] | directhex|work: | xmltv is the project which includes tv_grab_* |
| [11:32:00] | directhex|work: | here in the UK, Radio Times, the BBC's tv listings magazine, publishes their data on the web in unchanging format specifically for xmltv and people like linux mythtv users |
| [11:33:00] | fweeee: | And in Australia? They jerk us around? |
| [11:34:00] | directhex|work: | in australia, you don't have anyone like the bbc |
| [11:34:00] | fweeee: | So far I have downloaded about 5 files that paul has written – he keeps on making updates... |
| [11:34:00] | directhex|work: | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat for the radio times channel ID numbers, then $rt_id.dat for that channel's complete data. |
| [11:34:00] | directhex|work: | xmltv.radiotimes.com, how cool is that |
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| [11:37:00] | fweeee: | sounds very cool. Hopfully we will catch up. |
| [11:44:00] | fweeee: | directhex|work: The last time I edited the tv_grab_au script, it was really easy with a normal text editor (I did it in windows). This one looks like a mess – should I be opening it with a different program? (I'm using windows notepad) |
| [11:45:00] | directhex|work: | windows notepad doesn't understand UNIX-style line endings |
| [11:45:00] | directhex|work: | you need to use wordpad, or a decent editor like context |
| [11:45:00] | fweeee: | Rightio. Thanks. |
| [11:46:00] | fweeee: | Much better – my brain was hurting trying to read it notepad. |
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| [11:52:00] | k-man: | how do i get the epg going for australia? |
| [11:52:00] | directhex|work: | with difficulty, given ninemsn broke it |
| [11:52:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, oh did they? bastards |
| [11:53:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, what do i search for? |
| [11:53:00] | directhex|work: | k-man, are you suscribed to the mailing lists? |
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| [11:53:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, i used to be, but i unsubscribed a while ago |
| [11:53:00] | k-man: | i should subscribe again |
| [11:54:00] | directhex|work: | well you've missed all the tv_grab_au fixes |
| [11:54:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [11:54:00] | k-man: | crap |
| [11:54:00] | k-man: | why doesn't someone run a cvs of it or something *sigh* |
| [11:56:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I'm trying to fix mine too... |
| [11:57:00] | k-man: | fweeee, *sigh* |
| [11:57:00] | k-man: | maybe someone should make a sourceforge project of it or something |
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| [11:57:00] | directhex|work: | of what? |
| [11:57:00] | k-man: | its one of those things that while it works, no one will tinker with it |
| [11:58:00] | k-man: | but as soon as it breaks, everyone's digging into the code |
| [11:58:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I think you can get one that works from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [11:58:00] | k-man: | thanks fweeee |
| [11:58:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [11:58:00] | k-man: | thats like 2004 |
| [11:58:00] | k-man: | thats pretty old isn't it? |
| [11:59:00] | directhex|work: | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/xmltv/xmltv/grab/au/&nb sp;? |
| [11:59:00] | directhex|work: | and i will forward the bloody fixes to people if they want them |
| [11:59:00] | fweeee: | k-man: damn, I started reading a more recent thread, and somehow ended up in this one :( |
| [11:59:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [12:00:00] | k-man: | don't worryu |
| [12:00:00] | k-man: | i think i found a few things that will work |
| [12:00:00] | k-man: | so now there is a perl scrip and a python script for grabbing the channel info? |
| [12:00:00] | ** directhex|work boggles ** | |
| [12:00:00] | directhex|work: | do people really have that big a problem with simply applying a patch from 2 days ago? |
| [12:01:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, thats not the point |
| [12:01:00] | k-man: | the point is it should be in a central location |
| [12:01:00] | k-man: | imho |
| [12:01:00] | k-man: | i mean |
| [12:02:00] | directhex|work: | so submit to the cvs |
| [12:02:00] | fweeee: | directhex|work: So you say, download that file (the url you pasted), and apply a patch to it? |
| [12:03:00] | directhex|work: | no, you don't. nobody's put it on the cvs. |
| [12:03:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, can you remind me what I do with that tv_grab_au file? where am i supposed to put it? i forget |
| [12:03:00] | directhex|work: | you take the .diff in the email on the mailing list, and type patch /path/to/tv_grab_au < /path/to/patch.diff |
| [12:03:00] | directhex|work: | and you're done |
| [12:04:00] | directhex|work: | or you muck about with searching web forums for incomplete patches and the like. but it's all the same to me |
| [12:05:00] | fweeee: | Hmmmm. |
| [12:05:00] | fweeee: | I'm a tad confused now. |
| [12:05:00] | directhex|work: | gah. why do people always make things so fuckng hard for themselves |
| [12:06:00] | directhex|work: | right. someone start counting please. |
| [12:06:00] | directhex|work: | (time counter. stopwatch or something) |
| [12:06:00] | fweeee: | 1 |
| [12:06:00] | fweeee: | 2 |
| [12:07:00] | directhex|work: | message from David Whyte, on the mailing list, 04/08/05 14:52 |
| [12:08:00] | directhex|work: | contains a fixed tv_grab_au. just replace yours with this one, and it's fixed |
| [12:11:00] | k-man: | how do i set mythtv up to use the tv_grab_au file? |
| [12:11:00] | k-man: | i'm sure there was an option somewhere, but i can't see it |
| [12:12:00] | directhex|work: | it's in mythtv-setup |
| [12:12:00] | smoke_: | anyone here using an ati remote wonder ? |
| [12:12:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, i've been trying to, but some of the buttons aren't working for me |
| [12:13:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I just searched for where my existing one was, and copied over it. |
| [12:13:00] | k-man: | fweeee, i don't seem to have an existing one |
| [12:13:00] | k-man: | perhaps i'm missing something? |
| [12:13:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, how are you getting it to wokr? |
| [12:13:00] | smoke_: | ati_remote kernel module... |
| [12:13:00] | smoke_: | i have an input device set for it in my x... but it still doesnt work :/ |
| [12:13:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, um... plug it in. hotplug loads ati_remote.ko |
| [12:13:00] | fweeee: | smoke_: I was a few months back with knoppmyth – its a bit of a bastard – you press a button, and it does it 3 times!! |
| [12:14:00] | smoke_: | oh ... use hotplug.. hrmm |
| [12:14:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, open a console, press the A button on the remote |
| [12:14:00] | directhex|work: | get anything? |
| [12:14:00] | jcb: | do someone know where i can ask a question about ivtv? |
| [12:14:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, naa |
| [12:14:00] | directhex|work: | the ivtv irc channel or mailing list? |
| [12:15:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, i modprobe'd ati_remote |
| [12:15:00] | jcb: | directhex|work: channel |
| [12:15:00] | fweeee: | w00t!!! I have a TV guide again!!! |
| [12:15:00] | fweeee: | Thanks for your help directhex|work |
| [12:15:00] | fweeee: | I'm a happy lad. |
| [12:15:00] | fweeee: | :D |
| [12:16:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, okay, hold on, let me think |
| [12:16:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Do a locate tv_grab_au to track down where your existing one is. |
| [12:16:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, cat /proc/bus/usb/devices – see any references to ATI? it'll be on an S: line |
| [12:17:00] | k-man: | fweeee, i did and i don't have that file on my system |
| [12:17:00] | k-man: | is it part of xmltv? |
| [12:17:00] | directhex|work: | yes, it's [art of xmltv |
| [12:18:00] | k-man: | for some reason i don't get sound on channel 7 |
| [12:18:00] | k-man: | thanks directhex|work, i'm installing that now |
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| [12:37:00] | robin_: | hi, I have installed knoppix/mythtv from mysetuptopbox.tv.. all seems to be installed correctly. But I only see snow( i'm using pvr-150) |
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| [12:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin, knoppmyth.. right?? |
| [12:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | R5A16? |
| [12:40:00] | k-man: | how does mythfilldatase know which tv_grab file to use? |
| [12:40:00] | directhex|work: | it uses the one you defined as a source in mythtv-setup |
| [12:40:00] | k-man: | ah |
| [12:40:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [12:43:00] | fweeee: | Damn damn damn – I changed the theme, and now I cant change back (there doesnt seem to be a "change theme" option in this theme) |
| [12:44:00] | fweeee: | Is there another way I can change the theme? (I picked a wide screen one) |
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| [12:46:00] | laga: | fweeee: edit the database. the settings table to be more specific |
| [12:47:00] | fweeee: | snesettings? |
| [12:47:00] | laga: | fweeee: no. |
| [12:48:00] | fweeee: | Oh hang on. |
| [12:48:00] | fweeee: | I found the "settings" table. |
| [12:48:00] | fweeee: | I had looked through it time and time again too... |
| [12:49:00] | smoke_: | what do i put for my xconfig? |
| [12:49:00] | smoke_: | err |
| [12:50:00] | smoke_: | for the Protocol, and device? to get my remote to work? |
| [12:50:00] | fweeee: | laga: And can you tell me the name of a different theme? Just a standard one? |
| [12:50:00] | laga: | fweeee: Blue |
| [12:50:00] | fweeee: | smoke_: you talking about the ATI wonder? |
| [12:50:00] | fweeee: | Thanks Laga |
| [12:50:00] | XAD|onoff: | laga.... in mythfrontend, go to Utilities/Setup – Setup – Appearance |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | XAD|onoff: don't you mean fweeee ? ;) |
| [12:51:00] | fweeee: | laga: Damn – it webmin wont let me modify that particular table. |
| [12:51:00] | XAD|onoff: | yes.... sorry... (ahhh confused today) |
| [12:52:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: I cant get to that option – I think i have switched to a widescreen theme without having a widescreen monitor... |
| [12:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | think I messed up my brain trying to get radio to work on PVR500... |
| [12:52:00] | fweeee: | That table doesnt have a primary key, so webmin wont let me change it. |
| [12:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | cs |
| [12:52:00] | fweeee: | cs? |
| [12:53:00] | smoke_: | fweeee, yeah |
| [12:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | ??... so is it the default widescreen? |
| [12:53:00] | fweeee: | No, I selected it. |
| [12:53:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, to get your remote to work, it' help if you'd responded when i asked you something over 30 minutes ago |
| [12:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | no, the theme part of default package or a special installed one... |
| [12:53:00] | fweeee: | "Minimalist-wide" |
| [12:54:00] | fweeee: | smoke_: Hmmmm, I just plugged mine in and it worked. I just had to configure the keys. |
| [12:54:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, sorry dude, im using this machine with a kvm switch. |
| [12:54:00] | smoke_: | i see the reference with the /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| [12:54:00] | smoke_: | ati_remote module is loaded.... |
| [12:54:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, is the device listed by cat /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
| [12:54:00] | fweeee: | smoke_: And when you press buttons, does it send a keystroke to the machine? |
| [12:55:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: It must be a default one – I havnt added any themes. |
| [12:55:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, yeah |
| [12:55:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, its listed. |
| [12:55:00] | smoke_: | no |
| [12:55:00] | smoke_: | no keystrokes are sent, .. im tsting it even with xev.... |
| [12:56:00] | directhex|work: | interesting |
| [12:56:00] | smoke_: | do i need lirc or anything? |
| [12:56:00] | XAD|onoff: | lol... yes... it doesn't have the Utilities option on the "home" screen... hehe |
| [12:56:00] | directhex|work: | do you have "evtest" on your system? |
| [12:56:00] | smoke_: | maybe let me check |
| [12:56:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: Did you just change your theme? |
| [12:56:00] | smoke_: | no evtest... |
| [12:56:00] | XAD|onoff: | yepp... test system |
| [12:56:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: Ahhh, was about to say that we are both stuck now. |
| [12:56:00] | directhex|work: | hm, what a pain. right, FROM A NON_X VT (i.e. switch to VT1), run showkey, see if any keys are being read |
| [12:57:00] | fweeee: | What a stupid stupid stupid theme. |
| [12:57:00] | XAD|onoff: | yepp... actually I like the "MCE" version best... (I know... flame me).... |
| [12:57:00] | smoke_: | showkey only shows 1 stroke number 28 or something and stops |
| [12:58:00] | smoke_: | keycode 28 release |
| [12:58:00] | directhex|work: | for any key on the remote? |
| [12:58:00] | XAD|onoff: | fweee... use the pageup key to get the setup... |
| [12:58:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: So right now you are frantically working on a way to change it, right? right? |
| [12:58:00] | XAD|onoff: | no,,, page down... |
| [12:59:00] | fweeee: | w00t! Thanks XAD|onoff |
| [12:59:00] | smoke_: | nothing from the remote |
| [12:59:00] | smoke_: | its like its not plugged in ... |
| [12:59:00] | XAD|onoff: | that will cost you a 6-pack... ;-) |
| [12:59:00] | smoke_: | are all my kernel modules suppose to be modules? or buuilt in? |
| [12:59:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, does it work on another pc, or on windows? |
| [13:00:00] | smoke_: | yeah on windows |
| [13:00:00] | smoke_: | ati remote wonder plus, rf remote? |
| [13:00:00] | smoke_: | should work yeah? ... |
| [13:01:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: Rightio. I have a few in the fridge. Might go see how they taste actually... So much for training for the city to surf. |
| [13:01:00] | k-man: | do i have to put the xmltv id for each channel into each channel manualy? |
| [13:01:00] | k-man: | isn't there an automatic way? |
| [13:01:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, what distro are you runing, where did your kernel come from? |
| [13:01:00] | directhex|work: | k-man, not that i know of :/ |
| [13:02:00] | smoke_: | slackware, 2.6.12.3 |
| [13:02:00] | mchou: | k-man: what (tuner) referring to? |
| [13:02:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Mine did a bunch for me automatically – but I think it did it for the wrong channels. |
| [13:02:00] | directhex|work: | k-man, i have pages of scrawled notes from my myth install, including xmltv ids |
| [13:02:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, do you have a knoppix disk or something handy to see if it's a distro or kernel problem? |
| [13:02:00] | k-man: | mchou, twinhan vision plus |
| [13:03:00] | k-man: | *sigh* |
| [13:03:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: yes |
| [13:04:00] | XAD|onoff: | are you using the default ivtv version?? |
| [13:04:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: the one that is on the iso |
| [13:04:00] | robin_: | so i assume yes |
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| [13:05:00] | XAD|onoff: | have you checked ivtv log?? |
| [13:05:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, i dont :/ |
| [13:05:00] | smoke_: | directhex|work, will a gentoo live cd work? |
| [13:06:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: hmm, tveeprom says my tuner is unknown |
| [13:06:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: i should upgrade to newer ivtv? |
| [13:07:00] | directhex|work: | smoke_, i don't know. i know i at least get MOST of my remote "just working" with debian |
| [13:07:00] | XAD|onoff: | ok, what model and rev does it say?? |
| [13:07:00] | XAD|onoff: | on the line above |
| [13:09:00] | smoke_: | hmm k thanks |
| [13:12:00] | k-man: | directhex|work, do you have a link to the diff for the python tv_grab_au? |
| [13:12:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: I have to check later on, I was already reinstalling :+ |
| [13:15:00] | laga: | darn, i get prebuffering pause messages on my athlon xp 1800+ with xvmc :/ |
| [13:15:00] | laga: | the system is over 50% idle |
| [13:15:00] | XAD|onoff: | ?? I have a PVR500, but had to either install the latest ivtv or recompile the one in KnoppMyth as the last ivtv 0.2 version missed one change to support my tuner (PAL)... it's in the tuner.h file but another change was required... Can't remeber why, but I changed to the latest 0.3 version anyway... |
| [13:16:00] | XAD|onoff: | laga, all on the same machine or client/server?? |
| [13:17:00] | mchou: | laga: happens to the best of us :) |
| [13:17:00] | mchou: | laga: I dont think prebuffer pauses are due to CPU :) |
| [13:17:00] | laga: | XAD|onoff: client/server. |
| [13:18:00] | laga: | mchou: not in my case, anyways. |
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| [13:18:00] | mchou: | laga: not me either. |
| [13:18:00] | laga: | fast ethernet should be sufficient for a 5 mbit/s mp3g stream ;) |
| [13:18:00] | mchou: | sound card/drivers, maybe :) |
| [13:18:00] | laga: | mchou: possible. |
| [13:18:00] | laga: | but it used to work fine... |
| [13:18:00] | XAD|onoff: | I have the same story... what bitrate are you using |
| [13:18:00] | laga: | for some reason, channel cahnging dosn't work anymore. i have to investigate |
| [13:18:00] | k-man: | whats the difference between free to air, free to air digital and free to air hd? |
| [13:19:00] | mchou: | laga: well, myth is temperamental that way. |
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| [13:19:00] | k-man: | which do i want? |
| [13:19:00] | laga: | XAD|onoff: 3–5mbit/s |
| [13:19:00] | k-man: | i have cards that pick up hd and sd |
| [13:19:00] | laga: | mchou: unfortunately, yes |
| [13:19:00] | k-man: | digital |
| [13:19:00] | XAD|onoff: | laga try reducing to 2 and see if it works... (for debug purpose) |
| [13:19:00] | mchou: | XAD|onoff: reducing what to 2? |
| [13:20:00] | XAD|onoff: | the Mbit rate... |
| [13:20:00] | laga: | XAD|onoff: let me fix my channels first ;) |
| [13:20:00] | mchou: | for fast ethernet? |
| [13:21:00] | XAD|onoff: | lol... (I got rid of the problem by reducing the speed, IT IS not the solution but...) |
| [13:21:00] | fweeee: | XAD|onoff: your beer tastes damn good |
| [13:21:00] | laga: | hmm, beer |
| [13:21:00] | XAD|onoff: | ahhhhh.... LOL... well I saved you some time, didn't I... ;-) |
| [13:22:00] | smoke_: | hmm |
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| [13:22:00] | fweeee: | lots and lots of time. |
| [13:22:00] | smoke_: | what a piss off, the dumb remote still is acting wierd. |
| [13:22:00] | fweeee: | At this rate, I might make some progress tonight. |
| [13:22:00] | smoke_: | what do i access it as? /dev/input/mouse1? |
| [13:22:00] | smoke_: | and whats the protocol? |
| [13:22:00] | laga: | cool. the analog channel scan seems to work for me now. |
| [13:22:00] | laga: | that's qworth a try |
| [13:25:00] | mchou: | anyone know if there is a temperature tracking app for use in conjunction with lm_sensors? (want to graphically track my CPU temps over 24 hrs) |
| [13:25:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26034, rev= C197, serial#= 80..... |
| [13:26:00] | robin_: | tuner = <unknown> (idx= 97, type = 0) |
| [13:26:00] | XAD|onoff: | but no tuner identified... right |
| [13:26:00] | k-man: | i can't quite work out why on earth tv channels would charge for access to their programming data |
| [13:27:00] | k-man: | it seems compleetly barmy to me |
| [13:27:00] | mchou: | k-man: lol. |
| [13:27:00] | robin_: | tuner fmt = PAL(D/K) (eeprom = 0x44, v4l2 = 0x00000e07) |
| [13:27:00] | mchou: | you'd be right on that. |
| [13:27:00] | k-man: | its like... here. watch our tv station, but oh.. you want to know whats on? that'll cost'ya |
| [13:27:00] | mchou: | robin_: you need to modify ivtv code. |
| [13:28:00] | k-man: | so what do i do with the tv_grab_au.PL script? |
| [13:28:00] | XAD|onoff: | I would install the latest ivtv version... |
| [13:28:00] | robin_: | mchou: can you point me to a url where it says how :)? |
| [13:28:00] | mchou: | XAD|onoff: that goes w/o saying :) |
| [13:29:00] | mchou: | robin_: put ivtv output in pastebin.com |
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| [13:31:00] | robin_: | http://pastebin.com/329874 |
| [13:31:00] | robin_: | mchou: http://pastebin.com/329874 |
| [13:31:00] | XAD|onoff: | download it... extract... goto the driver folder ("ivtv-0.3.7b/driver")... make... make install... goto "/lib/modules/2.6.11..."...rename/delete all files in "v412" that also exist in "ivtv"... restart (or unload all proper modules) |
| [13:32:00] | mchou: | robin_: wow, that ivtv driver is ancient :) |
| [13:32:00] | robin_: | mchou: why is it on knoppmyth than :) ? |
| [13:32:00] | mchou: | you better follow XAD|onoff's advice :) |
| [13:32:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: ok will try that |
| [13:32:00] | robin_: | both thx |
| [13:33:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_, because the KnoppMyth has the latest stable ivtv version... ie v0.2 |
| [13:34:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: ok, my PVR-150 is cutting edge tech :) |
| [13:34:00] | XAD|onoff: | yepp... :-D |
| [13:34:00] | XAD|onoff: | or at least your tuner... ;-) |
| [13:34:00] | robin_: | hehe |
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| [13:36:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin... you also need to update your "/etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv" file... should update the firmware files in /lib/moduls,...and REMEMBER to remove the duplicates in v412... |
| [13:36:00] | robin_: | the firmwares on ivtv site are only for 250/350 ? |
| [13:36:00] | robin_: | where do i get one for my pvr-2150 |
| [13:36:00] | robin_: | pvr-150 |
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| [13:39:00] | mchou: | wow, check this out: http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?se . . . ate=20050804 |
| [13:39:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, I think they actually work, but the latest are sometime published on the net (not sure where). I took the files from my installation CD. For my PVR500 I didn't have to go through the extract process they talk about but just take the Hcw-files (renaming one of them to ivtv-fw-enc.bin... |
| [13:40:00] | mchou: | "Turner, 40, wasn't available for comment Thursday. But analysts described him as a competent, high-energy executive who joined Wal-Mart 19 years ago as a cashier and is credited with improving sales and profits at the retail chain's Sam's Club (WMT) stores." |
| [13:40:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:40:00] | mchou: | I'm sure MSFT employees are pleased :) |
| [13:41:00] | REyM]: | just download the driver package from the hauppauge website, unzip the self installing exe, there are the firmwares |
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| [13:45:00] | robin_: | from knoppmythwiki.org: |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | insert the following for PVR-150 NTSC non-mce |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | options ivtv tuner=39,50 ivtv_std=1,1 tda9887=0 mixer_input=2 |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | add above ivtv lirc_dev lirc_i2c |
| [13:45:00] | robin_: | but i have PAL, does that matter? |
| [13:46:00] | mchou: | those are generic instructions, may not necessarily apply to you. |
| [13:47:00] | mchou: | tuner=39,50 is a bit "funky" |
| [13:47:00] | robin_: | well they are from : http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=Haupp . . . Installation |
| [13:47:00] | robin_: | so i thought |
| [13:47:00] | mchou: | like there are two tuners? |
| [13:47:00] | robin_: | hmm, it is not as easy i hoped |
| [13:47:00] | robin_: | mchou: no only one |
| [13:47:00] | mchou: | robin_: exactly :) |
| [13:48:00] | mchou: | wiki's are useless |
| [13:48:00] | mchou: | quality is just too variable. |
| [13:48:00] | k-man: | fweeee? |
| [13:49:00] | robin_: | maybe i have to switch XP MCE :P |
| [13:49:00] | mchou: | good luck on that ! |
| [13:49:00] | mchou: | can you say DRM :) |
| [13:50:00] | XAD|onoff: | well don't use the option tuner in ivtv (defaulting), set ivtv_std=0 (defaulting), remove mixer_input (at least at first), |
| [13:50:00] | mchou: | or CRASH :) |
| [13:51:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Huh? Sorry, I'm playing with channels here. |
| [13:51:00] | XAD|onoff: | I also have "options cx25840 i2c_enable=1" AND "options saa7127 i2c_enable=-1", but thats for PVR500/PAL... |
| [13:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | and "options msp3400 once=1 simple=1" |
| [13:53:00] | robin_: | thos options you put in which file? |
| [13:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin, well with an Xbox-3 ($299), the XP-MCE isn't to bad... |
| [13:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | in the same file (ivtv) |
| [13:53:00] | robin_: | ok |
| [13:54:00] | robin_: | i won't use xp-mce :), I just think they should make this stuff easy, so more ppl can use it |
| [13:54:00] | XAD|onoff: | change in the existing ivtv file... don't write a new one... there are other stuff in there you need.. |
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| [13:54:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, have you tried to install MCE... it will only run if you have specific tv-cards and you must have the right video card too... |
| [13:55:00] | directhex|work: | which is why i didn't try it. i've tried most other windows PVR apps though |
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| [13:55:00] | fweeee: | directhex|work: Oh? Are they any good? |
| [13:55:00] | XAD|onoff: | I can run MythTV pretty fine on an old Dell (over 3–4 years) with build in video but MCE won't work at all,.. |
| [13:56:00] | robin_: | the file is /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv right? and not /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv |
| [13:56:00] | robin_: | of course it is.. the other one does not exist |
| [13:56:00] | robin_: | nvm |
| [13:56:00] | directhex|work: | fweeee, highly variable, and none fully suitable for my needs |
| [13:57:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, otherwise the MCE 2005 looked good (nice colors, nice graphics, and not to 1337)... configuration very easy and smooth.. |
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| [13:58:00] | fweeee: | The weirdest thing – I'm setting up channels, and it seems to have mixed up digital signals (like, the signal for one channel has been marked with the callsign for another channel) |
| [13:58:00] | fweeee: | I thought dvb didnt do that! |
| [13:59:00] | XAD|onoff: | the worst with MythTV configuration and even the regular GUI, is that it is giving you too many options... most of them you never change, so why even show them?? only ask required questions and put the rest in an advance screen... |
| [13:59:00] | k-man: | fweeee, i'm having trouble getting that tv_grab_au going |
| [13:59:00] | k-man: | fweeee, where did you get the patch from? |
| [13:59:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I just downloaded one from a site. |
| [13:59:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I can dcc you if you like. |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | fweeee, oh.... which site? |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | sure |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | dcc |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | whatever |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | dunno if dcc will work for me |
| [14:00:00] | k-man: | behind a firewall |
| [14:00:00] | fweeee: | Yeah. I'm behind a router which usually stuffs dcc's. |
| [14:01:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Go to the url in the private message – right down the bottom. |
| [14:01:00] | REyM]: | something not about mythtv, I use debian and my mysql nerver won't start because it can't connect through a socket. anyone knows what might be wrong? |
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| [14:01:00] | k-man: | fweeee, do i just run that? |
| [14:01:00] | k-man: | thats it? |
| [14:02:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I think it s good to go for Sydney digital – Someone had added ABC2 and SBS News, but used different names that I do, so I had to modify those. |
| [14:02:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Is your mythtv up and running right now? |
| [14:02:00] | fweeee: | Cause you dont really run it – you put it somewhere for mythtv to use. |
| [14:02:00] | k-man: | fweeee, yeah, except for channel info |
| [14:02:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [14:02:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [14:02:00] | fweeee: | You just plonk it somewhere on your hdd. |
| [14:03:00] | fweeee: | for me (i'm running FC4) it was /root/.mythtv/tv_grab_au |
| [14:03:00] | directhex|work: | REyM], yes, i've seen that |
| [14:04:00] | REyM]: | is it possible that I misconfigured the kernel or something? |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | fweeee, ok |
| [14:04:00] | directhex|work: | REyM], this may sound completely insane, but try editing /etc/hosts and remove the word "localhost.localdomain" |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | i just have to work out how to update the id's in the database |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | i can't bear to do it by hand |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | bare |
| [14:04:00] | k-man: | whatever |
| [14:04:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Where bouts are you? |
| [14:05:00] | fweeee: | k-man: It wasnt that hard. |
| [14:05:00] | k-man: | sydney |
| [14:05:00] | k-man: | you? |
| [14:06:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Sydney. Using digital |
| [14:06:00] | k-man: | yes |
| [14:06:00] | fweeee: | k-man: That file should be good to go – I just had to change what someone had added for SBS News – they had put in "SBSNEWS", and I changed it to "SBSN" |
| [14:07:00] | k-man: | fair enough |
| [14:08:00] | REyM]: | directhex|work only deleting that doesn't work, what should I only have at that point? I have 127.0.01 localhost <pcname> |
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| [14:08:00] | k-man: | fweeee, so how do i get a list of all the program ids? |
| [14:09:00] | directhex|work: | REyM], check /var/log/mythtv.log |
| [14:09:00] | fweeee: | Well, its not a matter of getting a listing of them – its a matter of making sure that whats in the tv_grab_au matches what is in your XMLTVID fields. |
| [14:09:00] | k-man: | fweeee, well... all my xmltvid fields are empty |
| [14:10:00] | fweeee: | For example, in that script, there is sbs news, with the id of "SBSNEWS". You have to make sure that you enter freesd.Sydney.SBSNEWS.d1.com.au to match it. |
| [14:10:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Oh. no biggy then – no need to change the tv_grab_au file at all then. |
| [14:10:00] | fweeee: | k-man: you just gotta make sure your xmltvid fields match what is in the tv_grab_au file. |
| [14:11:00] | fweeee: | 2,7,9,10,ABC2,SBS, etc. |
| [14:11:00] | k-man: | right |
| [14:11:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [14:11:00] | k-man: | but don't I have to fill in the whole name? |
| [14:11:00] | fweeee: | Yeah – the whole name. |
| [14:11:00] | fweeee: | freesd.Sydney.7.d1.com.au |
| [14:11:00] | k-man: | right |
| [14:12:00] | k-man: | righto |
| [14:12:00] | fweeee: | This is such a novelty for me – giving someone advice about linux :) |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | whoopie. the channel scan worked great. |
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| [14:16:00] | k-man: | hmm.. they still all show up as unknown |
| [14:16:00] | fweeee: | ok. Have you filled in the xmltvid fields? |
| [14:16:00] | fweeee: | Did you run mythfilldatabase? |
| [14:17:00] | k-man: | ah... no |
| [14:17:00] | k-man: | not yet |
| [14:17:00] | k-man: | hang on |
| [14:18:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [14:18:00] | k-man: | running it now |
| [14:19:00] | k-man: | i think its working |
| [14:19:00] | k-man: | how do i turn on Picture in picture? |
| [14:20:00] | fweeee: | I dunno. I only have one card. |
| [14:20:00] | fweeee: | And I'm still refining my channels. |
| [14:20:00] | directhex|work: | press m, select picture in picture from the menu, when watching tv |
| [14:21:00] | k-man: | umm |
| [14:21:00] | k-man: | that just hung the menu |
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| [14:22:00] | k-man: | nope, program guide is still unknown all over the place |
| [14:23:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Yeah – thats cause it tunes in a whole stack of channels. |
| [14:23:00] | fweeee: | k-man: They give each station a whole bunch of frequencies to use, but they only use one of them – the rest are rubbish (tv guides, HD versions, etc). You have to painfully go and weed them out. |
| [14:24:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Which is what I've been doing for the past hour or so... |
| [14:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | k-man: Or just press V to turn PIP on and off |
| [14:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | keys.txt is your friend :) |
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| [14:28:00] | k-man: | so as i have 2 tuners |
| [14:28:00] | k-man: | will i get 2 of each channel in my epg? |
| [14:29:00] | k-man: | ie, one for each tuner? |
| [14:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [14:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Only unique channels |
| [14:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | so each channel will appar once |
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| [14:30:00] | fweeee: | GreyFoxx: What if one is digital and one is analog though? You'll be getting the same channels, only via different technology. |
| [14:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | fweeee: "Only unique channels" |
| [14:30:00] | fweeee: | This is just hypothetical – I dont have 2 cards myself, and it would be silly to get an anolog one I think. |
| [14:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | So channel 5 on both analog and digital with the same station name and info will only appear once |
| [14:31:00] | D-side: | i have two cards, one hooked to the digital cable box |
| [14:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | but channels on the digital input that do not appear on the analog will also appersa |
| [14:31:00] | D-side: | the other to the analog cable. works great |
| [14:31:00] | robin_: | hmm |
| [14:31:00] | fweeee: | GreyFoxx: Ahhh – so you give them both the same station ID? Tricky. |
| [14:31:00] | robin_: | ok installed driver, no i got other snow |
| [14:31:00] | robin_: | but it is still snow |
| [14:32:00] | robin_: | *now |
| [14:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | fweeee: I give them nothing. mythfilldatabase do all of that |
| [14:32:00] | robin_: | cx25840: decoder set norm NTSC |
| [14:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, actually, no, I'm sorry I'm wrong |
| [14:32:00] | robin_: | it should be PAL |
| [14:32:00] | robin_: | ;( |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | fweeee: In that case you would have 2 different video sources(program listings) one for analog and 1 for the digital. |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | There might be some duplication |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have 2 tuners, and both ahave the same video source and each channel appears once |
| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | but my dvb-s card has a different video source and even though a few channels exist on the analog tuners it appears as another channel |
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| [14:34:00] | fweeee: | Ahhh. |
| [14:34:00] | fweeee: | GreyFoxx: But with the dvb-s, there isnt much duplication with your dvb-t card? |
| [14:34:00] | k-man: | ok, i turned all the channels with no id to be invisible |
| [14:34:00] | k-man: | but i still have no program data |
| [14:34:00] | k-man: | its very strange |
| [14:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course they also have different channel numbers, so it doesn't suprise me that they are in there twice |
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| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | fweeee: Nope, only a couple channels I get on analog are available on the dish |
| [14:35:00] | fweeee: | ahh k. |
| [14:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have 2 analog pvr250's, and 1 dvb-s at the moment. I took the third 250 out to improve air circulation. Getting too hot in that machine :) |
| [14:36:00] | fweeee: | :). I only have 3 PCI slots in my machine – but I think that will be enough. |
| [14:36:00] | fweeee: | There is only 1 of me. |
| [14:37:00] | ** GreyFoxx was a happy camper last night. Finally got my touch screen on after having to put together a power adapter for it. ** | |
| [14:37:00] | fweeee: | And my g/f keeps telling me I'll never find time to watch the stuff I record anyway. |
| [14:37:00] | fweeee: | Which is true, but its not the point! |
| [14:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I had 3 to avoid conflicts and since I have a few frontends and didn't wanna fight over the tuner if she was watching livetv from another room :) |
| [14:38:00] | k-man: | fweeee, yeah, i agree |
| [14:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Wooo : http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . nMythTV& |
| [14:38:00] | fweeee: | Ahhh, yes, if there are more then one of you, then you need more then one tuner. |
| [14:38:00] | k-man: | GreyFoxx, cool, that way you'll never har to talk to her |
| [14:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | damn, I was suppose to be on a call now. *dials in* |
| [14:39:00] | laga: | k-man: let's hope that nobody codes MythChat! ;) |
| [14:39:00] | fweeee: | I'm also having an argument with a client, who says he tried to build a pvr, but ended up buying a jvc one for $800AUD, and keeps on telling me how stupid I am for putting myselfthrough this pain. |
| [14:39:00] | fweeee: | I keep telling him, its not about the destination, its about the journey. |
| [14:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I agree |
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| [14:40:00] | fweeee: | Though I am looking forward to a lull in this journey... |
| [14:40:00] | k-man: | fweeee, yes... i agree, its the journey |
| [14:40:00] | directhex|work: | it's a bloody painful journey |
| [14:41:00] | laga: | directhex|work: ack |
| [14:41:00] | ** laga having trouble with his dbox ** | |
| [14:41:00] | fweeee: | Its a journey crawling across broken glass, sprinkled with orange juice. |
| [14:41:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: i need the HcwMakoA.ROM on the cd-rom ? |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|work: It all depends on your perspective and how you are when you start it |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | a newbie would have a terrible time, someone who is very experienced might not |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | and if the experienced want to have a terrible time, they can still use SVN |
| [14:42:00] | k-man: | so what do i have to do to get my nvidia card to show the mythtv on the svideo output? |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | like i do |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | stupid laga |
| [14:42:00] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, i've run into problem after problem over the past 7 months to get to where i am today. a few of those months were "can't be bothered any more" despondancy |
| [14:42:00] | fweeee: | GreyFoxx: I was a newbie. When I started with this a month or two back, I knew nothing of linux. |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: That reminds me, time for the daily update |
| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | fweeeee: You will be a newbie \for years to come :) |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | hell in some ways all of us are newbies in some respects :) |
| [14:43:00] | robin_: | i need the firmware for the pvr-150 i have a HCWMAKE0A.ROM on the CD-ROM is this the right file? |
| [14:43:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_, use the one from the website... |
| [14:43:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: there are no PVR-150 on the site |
| [14:43:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: heh |
| [14:43:00] | robin_: | or i must be blind :) |
| [14:43:00] | fweeee: | I gotta say, it makes it so much easier having a second machine, with a second monitor. |
| [14:43:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: it takes half a day to build mythtv on my box, i'm so not going to update daily ;) |
| [14:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: hehe ccache is your friend :) |
| [14:44:00] | XAD|onoff: | ... http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/mce/mce_cd_v27a.zip... open it and you will find the two rom files... |
| [14:44:00] | REyM]: | just download the driver package from the hauppauge website, unzip the self installing exe, there are the firmwares |
| [14:44:00] | REyM]: | lel XAD|onoff :P |
| [14:44:00] | robin_: | ok |
| [14:45:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: heh. i've tried distcc, but it still takes ages. with 3.1ghz accumulated ;) |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Check it out, new theme on a new toy! http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . 476.JPG& |
| [14:45:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: looks darn spiffy. sad that mythtv doesn't support touchscreens natively |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I don't mind. I' |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | m just gonna write a "wrapper" app that wraps around the edges with control buttons |
| [14:46:00] | XAD|onoff: | Grey, the only problen is that everyone will put their finger marks on your screen... not really what you want... |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | stats windows/control buttons/etc |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | XAD|onoff: That's kinda the purpose of a touch screen monintor though |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it's just the control pannel for the HT room |
| [14:46:00] | laga: | HT? |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Home Theatre |
| [14:47:00] | laga: | oh |
| [14:47:00] | XAD|onoff: | yepp, but thats why you shouldn't have touchscreen on your TV-screen... ;-) |
| [14:47:00] | laga: | i thought 'what the hell would you want with a hyperthreading room' |
| [14:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm twinviewing what goes to the TV / projector |
| [14:47:00] | XAD|onoff: | for control... it would be greate... |
| [14:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | and putting control bars around it |
| [14:48:00] | XAD|onoff: | but if you have a babykid, you don't want to teach them to push on your screens... ;-) |
| [14:48:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: ok i got HCWPVRP2.SYS and HCP98GP2.SYS which is the dec and which is the enc |
| [14:48:00] | XAD|onoff: | wrong... it's the ".rom" files.. |
| [14:48:00] | robin_: | there are no .rom files |
| [14:48:00] | REyM]: | it is in the package |
| [14:48:00] | REyM]: | unzip the file you downloaded |
| [14:49:00] | robin_: | http://www.hauppauge.tv/software/PVR150_250_3 . . . 22_23070.exe |
| [14:49:00] | robin_: | that one.. |
| [14:49:00] | REyM]: | yes |
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| [14:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I figure I'll put something like this around the myth screen. With control buttons, a few status windows and such. And a button to bring up a virtual keyboard for when I want it: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/controlpanel.png |
| [14:49:00] | robin_: | ah wrong download |
| [14:49:00] | robin_: | ok i found the rom |
| [14:49:00] | robin_: | hcwfalcn and hcwmake0a |
| [14:50:00] | laga: | omg. beebof's teletext patch works great! |
| [14:50:00] | XAD|onoff: | well.. not... the v27a file also contain the rom files... |
| [14:50:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: that's cool. you always have great ideas :) |
| [14:50:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: check the link, no roms |
| [14:50:00] | robin_: | really |
| [14:51:00] | robin_: | but nevertheless, the hcwfalcn.rom and hcwmake0a.rom will do the trik ? |
| [14:51:00] | robin_: | trick |
| [14:51:00] | REyM]: | robin_ it is a self extracting package, but you can also just unpack it |
| [14:51:00] | REyM]: | but, yes |
| [14:51:00] | robin_: | REyM]: i know it is.. |
| [14:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I like to tinker :) |
| [14:52:00] | robin_: | REyM]: but which one do i have to rename to ivtv-fw-desc.bin |
| [14:52:00] | robin_: | REyM]: and which one do i have to rename to ivtv-fw-enc.bin |
| [14:52:00] | REyM]: | http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=IvyTvHowTo |
| [14:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin, it's in the WinTV-PVR-150500MCE... folder... |
| [14:52:00] | REyM]: | that is a nice howto |
| [14:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | and it's a later version 23074... |
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| [15:01:00] | XAD|onoff: | . |
| [15:12:00] | D-side: | morning fellas. |
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| [15:27:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: could you paste your /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv file in pastebin.com? |
| [15:29:00] | robin_: | or anyone else with a pvr-150 or pvr-500 |
| [15:29:00] | REyM]: | anyone from the netherlands here btw? |
| [15:29:00] | robin_: | yes me |
| [15:29:00] | fweeee: | Quick question – just what does the "Rank" do? |
| [15:29:00] | REyM]: | because I can't get my xmltv working |
| [15:29:00] | robin_: | REyM]: use tv_grab_nl_gert |
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| [15:30:00] | robin_: | i have xmltv working, but not my tuners still. |
| [15:31:00] | REyM]: | did you follow that howto I gave you? |
| [15:31:00] | robin_: | REyM]: http://xmltv.assies.info/dist/tv_grab_nl_client-0.1.9.tgz |
| [15:31:00] | robin_: | REyM]: i did, but still only noise.. i'm mssing options i think in the /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv file, but on the wiki there are no comments on that |
| [15:32:00] | REyM]: | do you have mplayer working? |
| [15:33:00] | k-man: | is there a way to get mythfilldatabase to reload all the data? |
| [15:33:00] | REyM]: | I am still busy with configuring my mythtv but I opened X, in that I opened mplayer -vo x11 and ptune-ui |
| [15:34:00] | REyM]: | that scans some frequencies and I saw some channels with sound comming by |
| [15:35:00] | robin_: | REyM]: ok i will try that |
| [15:40:00] | k-man: | any idea why i can't get my epg to work? |
| [15:40:00] | k-man: | mythfilldatabase seems to work without error |
| [15:40:00] | k-man: | tv_grab_au seems to work |
| [15:40:00] | k-man: | i have filled in the xmltvids in the database |
| [15:40:00] | k-man: | what else is there? |
| [15:41:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_: http://pastebin.com/329950 |
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| [15:41:00] | XAD|onoff: | I still have debug on for ivtv, as it is still "unstable" version... |
| [15:43:00] | D-side: | so. any xbox frontend users? |
| [15:46:00] | k-man: | any ideas? |
| [15:46:00] | k-man: | im stuck |
| [15:49:00] | XAD|onoff: | k-man, whats the problem?? have you got any data in the database?? |
| [15:49:00] | k-man: | XAD|onoff, well... not that i can see |
| [15:49:00] | k-man: | i mean, all the channels are there |
| [15:50:00] | k-man: | but the program data doesn't seem to appear |
| [15:50:00] | k-man: | which table is the program data stored in? |
| [15:50:00] | XAD|onoff: | one of the "programs" tables... |
| [15:50:00] | XAD|onoff: | or I mean... one or more of the program* tables... |
| [15:51:00] | XAD|onoff: | when you run mythfilldatabase... do you get any info?? |
| [15:51:00] | k-man: | yep, there is progra mdata in there |
| [15:51:00] | k-man: | XAD|onoff, yes, it appears to get all the info |
| [15:51:00] | theturtle: | is there an online database of Frequency mappings for my cable provider? |
| [15:52:00] | XAD|onoff: | can you post the output of the info to "pastebin.com"? |
| [15:52:00] | robin_: | REyM]: what freq table are u using ? |
| [15:52:00] | robin_: | ptune.pl does not seems to understand europe-west |
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| [15:53:00] | REyM]: | hmmm, it does here |
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| [15:53:00] | REyM]: | I use ptune-ui btw |
| [15:54:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_ have you recompiled the new utils too?? |
| [15:54:00] | fourcheeze: | Is it only Live TV and recordings that can make use of Myth's network transparency? |
| [15:54:00] | fourcheeze: | e.g. not music |
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| [15:55:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: i thought so, eh well, will do it again |
| [15:55:00] | k-man: | XAD|onoff, are you asking me to post the output? |
| [15:55:00] | fourcheeze: | I'd like to be able to listen to the same music from any mythtv frontend |
| [15:55:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Have you put the xmltvid info in more then one channel? |
| [15:55:00] | k-man: | fweeee, yeah, i have it in loads of channels |
| [15:55:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, unless you want me to guess the result... ;-) |
| [15:55:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I Know for me, it automatically put the info into a bunch of channels, and I had to remove it. |
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| [15:55:00] | k-man: | fweeee, you had to remove it? why? |
| [15:56:00] | k-man: | it put the info in for me automaticaly too |
| [15:56:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: i did i see |
| [15:56:00] | fweeee: | k-man: Cause for some reason it put it in a bunch of channels that were crap – They didnt have channel ID's, and didnt work. |
| [15:56:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_: ?? |
| [15:57:00] | k-man: | fweeee, oh |
| [15:57:00] | theturtle: | cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg is producing a 0byte file :D |
| [15:57:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: i did compiled and installed the new utils |
| [15:57:00] | k-man: | well, i think mine are ok |
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| [15:57:00] | k-man: | they look ok at any rate |
| [15:57:00] | fweeee: | k-man: If you have access to the mysql database, check the channel table to make sure two channels dont have the same xmltvid. |
| [15:58:00] | XAD|onoff: | ok... try ptune-ui.pl, thats the one I used... |
| [15:58:00] | k-man: | fweeee, if two channels have the same id, is that bad? |
| [15:58:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I think so. I read somewhere not to do it. |
| [15:58:00] | k-man: | hmm |
| [16:00:00] | REyM]: | I am trying to use tv_grab_nl_gert but it failes with the error that #PCDATA is an unknown element |
| [16:01:00] | REyM]: | anyone knows the answer to that problem? |
| [16:01:00] | REyM]: | (using debian) |
| [16:03:00] | k-man: | fweeee, yes, i think that might be the problem |
| [16:03:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: ok, I got images !.. but only with NTSC, so very poor quality.. if i switch to PAL it ptune-ui.pl reports error 255 |
| [16:04:00] | robin_: | so it won't switch to pal for some reason.. |
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| [16:05:00] | laga: | robin_: pal is a load-time option for ivtv.ko |
| [16:06:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_: which tuner (indx, id and name) do you have (check dmesg) |
| [16:07:00] | XAD|onoff: | laga, with my PVR500 it's auto... |
| [16:08:00] | k-man: | interestingly, i seem to be getting the channel names now when watcing tv, but still no program data |
| [16:08:00] | XAD|onoff: | k-man, thats because it is two different things... channel vs program (!?)... |
| [16:08:00] | k-man: | hmm |
| [16:08:00] | k-man: | oh |
| [16:08:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [16:08:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: tuner = LG PAL (TAPE Series) (idx=97, type=55) |
| [16:09:00] | k-man: | well, still no program data |
| [16:09:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: tuner fmt = PAL(B/G) PAL(D/K) (eeprom=0x44, v4l2 = 0x00000e07) |
| [16:10:00] | fweeee: | k-man: I'm running out of ideas. |
| [16:10:00] | fweeee: | Damn, having stability issues here :( |
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| [16:13:00] | k-man: | fweeee, me too |
| [16:14:00] | k-man: | i might empty my channel data and try again |
| [16:17:00] | fweeee: | Does anyone here use dvb? Do you bother keeping the guide channels? Or do you just rely on mythtv for that? |
| [16:17:00] | fweeee: | I'm trying to decide if I should keep them or not. |
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| [16:18:00] | directhex|work: | i use dvb-t |
| [16:18:00] | fweeee: | directhex|work: Do you bother keeping the program guide channels? |
| [16:19:00] | directhex|work: | there are channels for that? why bother? |
| [16:19:00] | fweeee: | Yeah. I'm kinda thinking that. |
| [16:19:00] | directhex|work: | infact, i was reading up on how to replace tv_grab_uk_rt with tv_grab_dvb which grabs the EPG directly from the DVB data stream. which could be cool. |
| [16:19:00] | fweeee: | It would be nice to show off what digital can do (I have to show this baby off), but kind of a moot point really. |
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| [16:24:00] | Beirdo_ is now known as Beirdo | |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | stupid machine |
| [16:24:00] | directhex|work: | beat it with sticks |
| [16:24:00] | D-side: | arent they all though |
| [16:24:00] | REyM]: | what distro do you use robin_ |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | svn up |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | damn, I shoulda asked for half-caf |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | this decaf is not enough to wake me up |
| [16:25:00] | theturtle: | is there a help channel for ivtv? :D |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | #ivtv-dev |
| [16:25:00] | laga: | Beirdo: a big cup of espresso works nicely, too |
| [16:28:00] | Beirdo: | this is a venti decaf latte |
| [16:29:00] | laga: | decaf, ba ;) |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | I'm cutting down my caffeine intake drastically |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | it ain't healthy |
| [16:30:00] | laga: | right |
| [16:30:00] | laga: | but when you're my age, you just don't care ;) |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:30:00] | D-side: | Beirdo: good job. |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | I have been addicted since I was 12 |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | it's about time to control this addiction |
| [16:30:00] | D-side: | i'm doing the same. i've cut off all soda, and switched from coffee to green tea. |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | I'm drinking decaf coffees instead of hi-test |
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| [16:31:00] | robin_: | REyM]: knoppmyth |
| [16:31:00] | laga: | green tea still contains caffeine ;) |
| [16:31:00] | robin_: | I got it working ! |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | and Starbucks does have decent decaf |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh, so does decaf, laga |
| [16:31:00] | robin_: | i had to remove the tuner=63 or something like that |
| [16:31:00] | robin_: | :D |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | too bad I love coffee |
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| [16:35:00] | fweeee: | I have to go now. I stayed up late last night cause of this thing, and now I am strugglingto stay awake. |
| [16:35:00] | fweeee: | ni ni |
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| [16:36:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_: are you saying that ptune_ui.pl crashes if you change the channel list type to?? if you do "ivtvctl -s", what "name" do you get... |
| [16:37:00] | XAD|onoff: | robin_: tuner=63?? |
| [16:37:00] | robin_: | XAD|onoff: or tuner-68 |
| [16:37:00] | robin_: | don't know anymore |
| [16:37:00] | robin_: | :D |
| [16:37:00] | robin_: | that was the problem it was sticky to NTSC |
| [16:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | you shouldn't specify any tuner... |
| [16:38:00] | robin_: | i know NOW |
| [16:38:00] | robin_: | :D |
| [16:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | (thought you looked at my settings??) |
| [16:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, does it work now?? |
| [16:38:00] | robin_: | i did, but i well i'm too long busy with this |
| [16:38:00] | robin_: | getting confused :) |
| [16:38:00] | robin_: | yes it works |
| [16:38:00] | ** Beirdo plays some wake-up music... ** | |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | Metallica – Ride the Lightning |
| [16:39:00] | XAD|onoff: | nice... so now you are a happy camper... ;-) |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | I'll be awake soon :) |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | and it's good music to drown out others so I can get this PHP stuff done :) |
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| [16:42:00] | D-side: | Beirdo: should i go see megadeath+dream theater later this month? |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | you'd enjoy it, I think |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | bring earplugs to preserve your hearing though :) |
| [16:43:00] | directhex|work: | Beirdo, my mythmusic patch works \o/ |
| [16:43:00] | ** laga likes his alpine.nl ear plugs ** | |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | I really enjoyed the Megadeth concert last fall |
| [16:43:00] | laga: | they did a good job udring the manowar concert ;) |
| [16:43:00] | laga: | during* |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | Megadeth is good stuff |
| [16:44:00] | D-side: | i saw them back in oct '01 actually in NYC |
| [16:44:00] | D-side: | fantastic show. |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | likely why I like this album is half the music was written by Mustaine, although they recorded it just as they kicked him out, if I remember right |
| [16:45:00] | D-side: | small as hell venue then thouggh, this one at the end of the month is stadium sized |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | it should be enjoyable |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | Dream Theatre's a bit... strange at times, but good stuff |
| [16:46:00] | Beirdo: | never seen em in concert though |
| [16:47:00] | Beirdo: | ahh, this is what I need to wake up. since the no-caffeine sure ain't gonna do it |
| [16:47:00] | D-side: | Beirdo: what, Kill em All? |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | Ride the Lightning... |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | OLD Metallica |
| [16:48:00] | D-side: | Kill em All = first |
| [16:48:00] | D-side: | as well as the only one dave was in on, iirc. |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think he was on a couple |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | but either way.. |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | he wrote this song |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | and it shows it |
| [16:49:00] | jvs: | weekend! |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't have Kill Em All right now |
| [16:49:00] | jvs: | see ya guys! |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | I should go shopping this evening :) |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | I need more music |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | (always do) |
| [16:49:00] | ** jvs gets behind satan ** | |
| [16:50:00] | jvs (~jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) Quit ("If it lives, compile it! :)") | |
| [16:50:00] | Beirdo: | jvs: don't you have like 10 minutes of work left? |
| [16:50:00] | Beirdo: | gah, he left |
| [16:50:00] | laga: | heh |
| [16:51:00] | ** Beirdo headbangs a bit at work :) ** | |
| [16:52:00] | laga: | you lack the hair... ;) |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | you don't NEED hair |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | it's more fun with though |
| [16:52:00] | laga: | yep |
| [16:53:00] | tuxick: | rather pointless without! |
| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | no it ain't :) |
| [16:53:00] | tuxick: | true, it's not called hairbanging |
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| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | silly Europeans... get back to work, you slackers :) |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:54:00] | tuxick: | except for girl bands like Europe of course |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | don't be dissing 80s music |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:56:00] | ** directhex|work slacks in front of Beirdo ** | |
| [16:56:00] | laga: | there is hair metal, however |
| [16:58:00] | robin_: | Why is LIVE-TV only 480x480 |
| [16:58:00] | robin_: | crap |
| [16:59:00] | robin_: | I changed it to 768x576 but now i only have black screen |
| [16:59:00] | robin_: | and i changed it back, but still black |
| [16:59:00] | robin_: | **! |
| [16:59:00] | laga: | 720x576 works for me |
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| [17:03:00] | D-side: | woo. xbmcmyth |
| [17:03:00] | D-side: | i shall soon try it. |
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| [17:05:00] | robin_: | laga it works now, i had to reboot for some reason |
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| [17:10:00] | BillyBoBob: | Is anyone doing any alpha/beta-style packages for post-18.1? |
| [17:10:00] | laga: | BillyBoBob: yes. debian sarge. |
| [17:11:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: it has post-18.1 packages? |
| [17:11:00] | laga: | no, i build my own ;) |
| [17:12:00] | theturtle: | d-side xbmcmyth would be cool if it actually works |
| [17:12:00] | theturtle: | i think i might try it |
| [17:12:00] | BillyBoBob: | maybe clearer: I don't want to be totally on the CVS bleeding edge, but wouldn't mind moving a little beyond 18.1 |
| [17:13:00] | BillyBoBob: | wondering if anyone has been doing a more-or-less stable build.. |
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| [17:16:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: I am actually using the debian packages currently. Unfortunately, my front-end can't seem to run a home-built version (just segfaults before it gets very far) and I don't have time right until the fall to figure out why |
| [17:17:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: it all started when I wanted to rebuild mtd (my debian package version doesn't have transcode support) which also segfaults... |
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| [17:17:00] | BillyBoBob: | sigh |
| [17:17:00] | laga: | that's sad. well, my debian packages have some additional packages and i wouldn't want to release them. and also, i dont know if my mythvideo is built with support for transcode |
| [17:18:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, what does gcc -v say? |
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| [17:20:00] | BillyBoBob: | directhex|work: gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6–7) |
| [17:20:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, how have you been building replacment thingies? |
| [17:21:00] | BillyBoBob: | directhex|work: replacement thingies? |
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| [17:21:00] | laga: | BillyBoBob: i use gcc 3.4 and it works fine. |
| [17:22:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, your replacement mtd, for example. how have you been compiling? |
| [17:22:00] | laga: | BillyBoBob: well, are you using latest SVN? you could rebuild it with debug support and get a backtrace |
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| [17:22:00] | BillyBoBob: | directhex|work: ./configure; qmake ...; make |
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| [17:23:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, the debian myth packages are built with gcc-3.4, not gcc 3.3, so that may be an issue. try apt-get build-dep mythvideo, then poke about in debian/control, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| [17:23:00] | laga: | y |
| [17:23:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: no, only building 18.1. |
| [17:23:00] | laga: | -<. |
| [17:23:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [17:24:00] | laga: | BillyBoBob: well, that wouldn't make much sense then, backtraces are supposed to be against svn HEAD |
| [17:24:00] | BillyBoBob: | directhex|work: OK, will try it out |
| [17:24:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga, directhex|work : Will try gcc 3.4; little to lose (it is a front-end only, can be rebuilt easily) |
| [17:25:00] | ** BillyBoBob does wonder why he failed to split the partition for a ghost image again though... ** | |
| [17:25:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, if you simply make changes to the existing debian packages, then you can be sure that changes to mythplugins are likely to be fine with mythtv itself |
| [17:26:00] | directhex|work: | BillyBoBob, i built myself a replacement mythmusic with a patch last night, no problems. a tiny edit to debian/changelog ensures the version number is a little higher than normal, so there's no risk of it being overwritten on a dist-upgrade |
| [17:26:00] | BillyBoBob: | directhex|work: good to hear that. I want to tweak MythWeather while I am at it, so that sounds like a very good idea |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | BillyBoBob: and make sure to install the new libmyth-dev afterwards! ;) |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | directhex|work: you can use dch for editing the debian/chngelog file |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | like dch -v 0.18.1–2 |
| [17:28:00] | laga: | afk |
| [17:28:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: hehe. |
| [17:28:00] | directhex|work: | laga, i can? i never read the whole NM guide, it was a bit dull |
| [17:28:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: done that with a kernel a few times.... |
| [17:29:00] | directhex|work: | i've stepped up from running debian/rules manually though \o/ |
| [17:29:00] | BillyBoBob: | laga: scratching my head why it didn't work.... |
| [17:30:00] | BillyBoBob: | I never really quite got to building packages (outside of kernel ones); if I had to fool with source, usually just did everything manually. This has bit be hard a few times though, time to start playing ball... |
| [17:30:00] | BillyBoBob: | s/bit be/bit me/ |
| [17:31:00] | directhex|work: | i've had good fortune with dh_make on unpackaged apps, so have a vague idea of which files to edit for small changes |
| [17:31:00] | directhex|work: | i've also sent in small patches to packages in debian & ubuntu |
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| [17:36:00] | BillyBoBob: | been running debian for years and years, never realized that apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are quite different. Probably 'cause I never really upgraded much before (my main Linux server was practically antique..) |
| [17:37:00] | BillyBoBob: | just noticed now when I finally realized that apt-get upgrade holds back gcc, hence why I am running 3.3... |
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| [17:43:00] | directhex|work: | dist-upgrade installs/removes dependancies. upgrade doesn't |
| [17:44:00] | BillyBoBob: | well, lots of things to do next week then :) |
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| [18:05:00] | FuzzyLogic: | anybody konw where i can get a liblame-dev package for debian amd64 |
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| [18:21:00] | robin_: | I'm not happy with the image quality, it should match my normal 4:3 PAL TV right? |
| [18:21:00] | robin_: | it is too blurry |
| [18:25:00] | xris: | robin_: what card? |
| [18:25:00] | xris: | what capture resolution? |
| [18:25:00] | xris: | what bitrate? |
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| [18:27:00] | robin_: | xris: 12mbit pvr-150 720x576 |
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| [18:29:00] | xris: | that's a rather insane bitrate. 4–6 should be plenty |
| [18:30:00] | xris: | at that size, my pvr-150 looks almost identical to my Dish feed. |
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| [18:33:00] | BillyBoBob: | I use 4–6 on a PVR-150, generally looks better then cable straight into the TV... |
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| [18:56:00] | robin|away: | BillyBoBob: do you use any special settings ? |
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| [19:16:00] | BillyBoBob: | robin|away: no, it looked pretty good out-of-the-box |
| [19:17:00] | BillyBoBob: | robin|away: turned on deinterlace was about it |
| [19:17:00] | BillyBoBob: | robin|away: but it looked pretty decent before that |
| [19:18:00] | Atamido: | I use the full 16mbit on my PVR-500 |
| [19:18:00] | BillyBoBob: | robin|away: have you tried playing a DVD on the same setup? Maybe it is the output chain... |
| [19:18:00] | Atamido: | How do you check if deinterlace is turned on? |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | 16mbit on a PVR-500 is such overkill |
| [19:18:00] | BillyBoBob: | robin|away: are you viewing on monitor or tv? Tends to look like crap on a monitor... |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | I hope you like filling your drive |
| [19:19:00] | Atamido: | Beirdo: I have it transcoded to MPEG-4 right afterwards. |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | then why bother? |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | use a lower bitrate, get pretty much the same output |
| [19:19:00] | Atamido: | Because you want your original as good a quality as possible. |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | dude, the ORIGINAL is the analog signal |
| [19:20:00] | Atamido: | And the extra space for a 0.5% increase in quality is nothing. |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | and encoding it at about 8mbit will look about the same as 16mbit |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | but it's your disk :) |
| [19:20:00] | Atamido: | Sadly, the card doesn't capture raw or MPEG-4. :P |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | you're missing the whole point, of course :) |
| [19:21:00] | Atamido: | How do I set encoding to use a specific quality setting instead of a bitrate? |
| [19:21:00] | XAD|onoff: | hmmm, why do you use a PVR500 card and not a regular non-mpeg2 card and compress it to MPEG-4 live?? |
| [19:21:00] | Atamido: | Beirdo: It's a copy or a copy of a copy issue. The better the interim copies are, the better the final will be. |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | not true |
| [19:22:00] | Atamido: | Although the point of diminishing returns is reached at some point. |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | it's an issue of you wasting many bits to get the same result |
| [19:22:00] | Atamido: | In each of using a lossless copy, it is true. |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | but they are your bits |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | do what you want |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | unless you are recording hockey or something like that, I doubt you'd see a noticable difference between 8mbit and 16mbit |
| [19:23:00] | Atamido: | Just because you don't want a 0.5% increase in quality doesn't mean no one else will. |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | other than the file size |
| [19:23:00] | ** Atamido like action scenes. ** | |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | and then you reencode to MPEG4 and get crappier output at a lower bitrate |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | makes no sense |
| [19:24:00] | Atamido: | Back to my question though, is MythTV friendly to transcoding at a specific quality level? |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | go look :) |
| [19:24:00] | XAD|onoff: | haha, I love the DVD-create error message... "The last command returned a Non-Zero Return-Code (1)".. "Hope you'll find the error ;-)"... this is really helpfull ... :roll: |
| [19:24:00] | Atamido: | Look where? |
| [19:24:00] | xris: | wtf is a "quality level"? |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | you can open the settings screen as easily as I can |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | actually easier... as I'm not at the TV |
| [19:24:00] | XAD|onoff: | xris, it's a windows term.... |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | in the transcoding recording profiles |
| [19:25:00] | Atamido: | The settings screen isn't clear about how exactly it tries to balance the quality and bitrate. |
| [19:25:00] | XAD|onoff: | it's the same as bitrate but less technical... |
| [19:25:00] | Atamido: | xris: It's a video encoding term. |
| [19:25:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, ahh, you see there's your issue, you need to understand what's going on more. |
| [19:25:00] | ** xris points out (AGAIN) that myth's mpeg4 encoder is optimized for *speed of encoding*, not *quality*... the mpeg4 will almost ALWAYS be of lesser quality than an mpeg2 original from pvr-x50... that's why I wrote nuvexport, that's why nuvexport takes HOURS to encode xvid. ** | |
| [19:25:00] | ** Beirdo high-fives xris ** | |
| [19:25:00] | xris: | Atamido: it's an arbitrary setting specific to each different encoder. |
| [19:26:00] | Chutt: | xris, ffmpeg + xvid are approx equal in quality |
| [19:26:00] | xris: | Chutt: then why does ffmpeg+xvid take 4–5x longer than realtime? |
| [19:26:00] | Chutt: | i dunno |
| [19:26:00] | Chutt: | got it set wrong? |
| [19:26:00] | Chutt: | doing multipass recordings? |
| [19:26:00] | xris: | and looks better than the mpeg4 encodings, too... |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | not including multipass |
| [19:27:00] | Chutt: | have extra options turned on? |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | (which ffmpeg sucks at, anywy) |
| [19:27:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, bitrate gives the overall quality. 1000 @ (windows speak) 100% quality will look worse then 5000 @ 20% quality, no matter what. |
| [19:27:00] | xris: | some, yes.. but not enough that should matter. |
| [19:28:00] | xris: | Chutt: interesting to know, though. I don't personally like ffmpeg's xvid encoder... would be interesting to know what options you use in the code, though.. do you use any of the filter options, etc? |
| [19:28:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, actually quality is normally: bitrate + resolution (720x576, 480x576, ...) + filter..... |
| [19:28:00] | Chutt: | nope |
| [19:28:00] | Chutt: | i record in mpeg2 and keep it there |
| [19:29:00] | Chutt: | doesn't make sense to further degrade things |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | so do I, except when making DVDs of VCD content for archival |
| [19:29:00] | Chutt: | ntsc looks shitty enough blown up to 6 feet across |
| [19:29:00] | xris: | Chutt: well, I meant for the mpeg4 code, not your specific uses... :) |
| [19:29:00] | Chutt: | don't need encoding artifacts to hurt it any more |
| [19:29:00] | Chutt: | xris, the defaults are most things disabled |
| [19:29:00] | Chutt: | but you can enable the higher quality flags fairly easily in the settings screen |
| [19:30:00] | xris: | XAD|onoff: quality is usually actually quantisation, which refers to a value used in a formula that determines VBR rates for specific frames, based on complexity of that and surrounding frames.. lower q means the encoder is more likely to use a higher bitrate when needed. |
| [19:30:00] | Chutt: | can't change the gop size, though, and i have that set fairly low |
| [19:31:00] | Chutt: | + have disabled b frames |
| [19:31:00] | xris: | Chutt: yeah, but there are other tweaks like lumi_mask that I've messed with in nuvexport trying to get xvid to look as good as transcode's output.. never could get it right. |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's probably part of the lag difference. |
| [19:32:00] | Chutt: | xris, that's rtjpeg, no? |
| [19:32:00] | Chutt: | :p |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | when I was encoding some rgb images into an mpeg movie if I set it to nothing but I frames then the size was huge but speed was much greater |
| [19:32:00] | xris: | Chutt: ? that's part of the ffmpeg cli options for encoding in any of the encoders. |
| [19:32:00] | Atamido: | kormoc: Why on earth would a "quality setting" like q4 be "windows speak"? |
| [19:32:00] | XAD|onoff: | xris: I was referring to consumer products "quality" setting functionality... |
| [19:32:00] | Chutt: | greyfoxx, exactly |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | no need to do a differential means a lot less processing |
| [19:32:00] | xris: | XAD|onoff: which again is arbitrary and specific to the app |
| [19:33:00] | Atamido: | xris: Tell me more about this tool of yours? |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | And I was pumping it to mpeg2 decoding hardware so I didn't careabout the size as much as the speed :) |
| [19:33:00] | Atamido: | Does it integrate into Myth? |
| [19:33:00] | xris: | Atamido: nuvexport? |
| [19:33:00] | ** xris thought everyone knew about nuvexport ** | |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | gooooogle |
| [19:34:00] | XAD|onoff: | xris: yepp... but I think the person asking was thinking MCE and consumer PVR-products... |
| [19:34:00] | Atamido: | Beirdo: I would, but xris seems eager to mention it. ;) |
| [19:34:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, read what we're saying. As far as I know, it's only used in the windows world, mencoder, transcode, ffmpeg, etc all do not use a 'quality level' setting. |
| [19:34:00] | ** xris pets his reasonably high google ranking ** | |
| [19:34:00] | xris: | Atamido: well, it's the only app out there for exporting myth recordings... |
| [19:34:00] | XAD|onoff: | but what the heck... it doesn't really matter... when talking technicly I agree with you.... |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | he's mentioned the name several times, google will get you more info real fast :) |
| [19:34:00] | Atamido: | kormoc: Ah, you are confusing a % with q setting. I was refering to q, not %. |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | it has a page rank of 5 even |
| [19:35:00] | Atamido: | Quantizer. (sp?) |
| [19:36:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, and what does it do? |
| [19:37:00] | Atamido: | For MPEG codecs, it's the quatitizer used to seed the thingy which compresses the other thingy. |
| [19:38:00] | Atamido: | The higher the quantizer, the higher the variable from the original that is allowed. |
| [19:38:00] | XAD|onoff: | ahhhh, now mythfrontend hanged... WTF... this won't give it high WAF points... |
| [19:38:00] | Atamido: | So a q2 would result in much higher quality than a q15. |
| [19:38:00] | Chutt: | ffmpeg doesn't use the quantizer anymore |
| [19:38:00] | kormoc: | or in other words, the higher the allowed bitrate is to go on a frame, or in other words, the max bitrate. |
| [19:38:00] | Chutt: | kormoc, it's absolutely nothing to do with the bitrate. |
| [19:38:00] | Atamido: | kormoc: No. |
| [19:38:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, ooh? |
| [19:39:00] | Atamido: | It is the allowed variance. |
| [19:39:00] | kormoc: | fair nuff. |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | that doesn't sound right either |
| [19:39:00] | Atamido: | So, when setting (for example) q2, if the area to be encoded is sufficiently complex, there is no cap to the bitrate that can be used. |
| [19:40:00] | Atamido: | Theoretically anyway. |
| [19:40:00] | kormoc: | yeah, that doesn't sound right... |
| [19:40:00] | Atamido: | Realistically, codecs have internal limitation that limit how much they are going to be able to spend. |
| [19:41:00] | Atamido: | Encoding by q results in a file whose bitrate is entirely dependant on the complexity of the video. |
| [19:42:00] | Chutt: | 'how variable is the vbr going to be' |
| [19:42:00] | Atamido: | When a codec has a % quality setting, it usually just equates to some relative q setting. |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | kinda like "how much can we mess with the frames to meet bitrate constraints" |
| [19:43:00] | Atamido: | Ummmmmm, no. |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | umm, yes |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | that's how it relates to bitrates |
| [19:43:00] | Atamido: | Yes that is how Myth does it. No that is not was I was talking about. |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | that's how MPEG codecs do it, every one I've seen |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | Myth is just using one of them |
| [19:44:00] | Atamido: | Myth isn't a codec. |
| [19:44:00] | ** Beirdo slaps Atamido with a trout ** | |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | no kidding. |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | what part of "Myth is just using one of them" didn't you understand? |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, he said myth is just *USING* one of them |
| [19:45:00] | Atamido: | Eh, misread it. Sorry. :( |
| [19:47:00] | Atamido: | Ah, "quantizer" is the right word. |
| [19:49:00] | Atamido: | http://mathias.rousseau.free.fr/divx/tutorial . . . uantizer.gif |
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| [19:50:00] | directhex: | moo |
| [19:50:00] | Atamido: | A shot of the GUI config to vary the quantizer used for a frame. http://mathias.rousseau.free.fr/divx/tutorial . . . tization.gif |
| [19:52:00] | Atamido: | xris: To bad MythTV does not ship with really good compression options like your tool. It sounds like what I'm looking for. :( |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | Atamido: myth can't, it needs to do its thing in realtime. |
| [19:53:00] | Atamido: | xris: I mean for transcoding. |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | that's why I wrote nuvexport.. encoder with a good mpeg card, and use nuvexport to export xvid into mythvide. |
| [19:53:00] | Chutt: | myth is meant for a standalone system |
| [19:53:00] | xris: | at some point it'll get integrated. |
| [19:54:00] | Chutt: | i've never seen the point in converting video into something else |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | Chutt: archival to small files... 350M/hour for good quality xvid vs 2G/hour for the original mpegs |
| [19:54:00] | XAD|onoff: | hmmm, it's packaged in KnoppMyth... right?? |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | XAD|onoff: no clue |
| [19:54:00] | xris: | doubtful the latest version, though |
| [19:54:00] | Chutt: | disk space is cheap |
| [19:55:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, processor cycles cheaper. |
| [19:55:00] | Chutt: | not really |
| [19:55:00] | xris: | Chutt: maybe. but I'm at a physical limit at the moment until I can get enough money together for a new machine/case. |
| [19:55:00] | xris: | and would rather spend my money on other things... |
| [19:55:00] | kormoc: | it depends, if the box is sitting idle, then yeah, processor cycles are cheaper in the long run, imho. |
| [19:56:00] | Atamido: | A 720x480 video encoded originally in MPEG-2 at 2mbits is likely to look much worse than one encoded originally in 16mbps MPEG-2 and then transcoded to 2mbps MPEG-4 using all of the highest quality settings. |
| [19:56:00] | XAD|onoff: | xris: nuvexport version: 0.2 0.20050407.cvs |
| [19:56:00] | xris: | XAD|onoff: old |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | Atamido, unless the card uses all the highest quality settings to start with... |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | wonder how late the passport office is open? |
| [19:56:00] | XAD|onoff: | roger... you are to fast coding... ;-) |
| [19:56:00] | xris: | Beirdo: you haven't done that yet? |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | 6pm |
| [19:57:00] | xris: | doesn't it take like 60–90 days to get passport approval? |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | I JUST got the app finished |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | 10 days |
| [19:57:00] | xris: | ah, not bad. |
| [19:57:00] | xris: | I remember it being like 30 |
| [19:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | takes 5 – 10 days here |
| [19:57:00] | Atamido: | As xris said, allowing an MPEG-4 encoder to process a file for 5 hours is going to yeild better results than whatever DSP. |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | so they say |
| [19:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've gotten mine in 3 |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | and I'm 2 blocks from the passport office |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | xris, takes 30 days to get approved, 60 to 90 to get it, tho you can speed it up in the us for a lot of cash. |
| [19:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | last time I renewed |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, renewed is different then first time app :) |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | and I'm going right now |
| [19:57:00] | xris: | renewal is shorter than new apps, too, I guess. |
| [19:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Halifax is one of the two offices in the country to print them |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | actually, in Canada it's not |
| [19:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Not here |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | no difference here |
| [19:58:00] | xris: | ahh |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | cool |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | a renewal IS a new app |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | which is lame |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | OK, time to head over there |
| [19:58:00] | Atamido: | I think I will play with the MythTV q settings and see if I can get close. |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | to get a passport in the us in 14 days is like $500 |
| [19:58:00] | Atamido: | *closer. |
| [19:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: we are "guaranteed" 10 days, if you want it in 5 or less it's a $100CDN fee to ensure it |
| [19:59:00] | Atamido: | kormoc: My CPU cycles are very cheap. :) |
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| [20:02:00] | twitchmax: | greetings all |
| [20:02:00] | twitchmax: | i'm trying to get a usb joystick working with fceu and mythgame any ideas? |
| [20:02:00] | XAD|onoff: | ahhh, sorry Myth and nuv*... forgot that I'm testing and only have limited HD... 100% used is not good :blush: |
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| [20:28:00] | charlesv: | heya |
| [20:30:00] | mchou: | haha: a review of "Dukes of Hazzard:" http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785683 |
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| [20:31:00] | mchou: | jeez. and movie studios complain that they dont make money or draw crowds. |
| [20:31:00] | ** braniff probably will see Dukes of Hazzard, but he won't pay any money ** | |
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| [20:32:00] | hadeees: | mchou, because of crappy cam version you get off bittorrent |
| [20:32:00] | mchou: | hadeees: huh?? |
| [20:33:00] | hadeees: | mchou, its a joke, they don't loose a dime off pirated movies because they always suck in quality |
| [20:33:00] | hadeees: | except for dvdscr |
| [20:33:00] | mchou: | the studio will have to pay me to see that crap. |
| [20:33:00] | charlesv: | mchou: i totally drove to fry's today |
| [20:33:00] | hadeees: | which are increasingly rare |
| [20:33:00] | mchou: | charlesv: hehe. |
| [20:33:00] | charlesv: | and ended up deciding not to spend the money |
| [20:33:00] | braniff: | telesync is far better than cam |
| [20:33:00] | mchou: | charlesv: lol! |
| [20:33:00] | charlesv: | so 100min roundtrip, and got a shitty signal amp |
| [20:33:00] | mchou: | charlesv: why not? |
| [20:34:00] | hadeees: | mchou, they have to pay you to see Jessica Simpson half naked |
| [20:34:00] | charlesv: | i should probably wait until i have a job again ;) |
| [20:34:00] | mchou: | charlesv: oops, interview didnt go well? |
| [20:35:00] | charlesv: | it went well |
| [20:35:00] | charlesv: | they just think i'm overqualified |
| [20:35:00] | charlesv: | which i am |
| [20:35:00] | charlesv: | but i need a job anyways, fuckers! |
| [20:35:00] | robin|away: | Beirdo: I have connected it to TV through tv-out of my XFX FX5200 (SVIDEO) |
| [20:36:00] | hadeees: | anyone here have any problems with no sound on a pvr250 or m179 with the ivtv driver |
| [20:36:00] | mchou: | charlesv: so lemme get this straight: it wasn't that frys had nothing that appealed to you..... |
| [20:36:00] | jonK: | fry's gives me a headache |
| [20:36:00] | jonK: | it has this rythmic throbbing quality |
| [20:36:00] | mchou: | charlesv: it's just that there were other "neccessities" |
| [20:37:00] | charlesv: | it was that i drove out there and had a cart full of hardware and then was like oh nooooo i shouldn't spend this much |
| [20:37:00] | jonK: | i think it's designed to disorient me so i spend more money |
| [20:37:00] | mchou: | charlesv: ouch :) |
| [20:37:00] | charlesv: | heh, whatever |
| [20:37:00] | charlesv: | it was a nice drive down to palo alto |
| [20:37:00] | jonK: | i was just in palo alto yesterday |
| [20:37:00] | mchou: | you didnt go to concord? |
| [20:37:00] | jonK: | went to the rockies/giants game on wednesday |
| [20:37:00] | charlesv: | nah, i think palo is just as far w/ highways, plus the bridge is a) congested b) costs money |
| [20:38:00] | mchou: | jonK: where do you live? |
| [20:38:00] | mchou: | charlesv: lol, gas would have cost more than the bridge toll |
| [20:39:00] | charlesv: | yeah, but gas + toll to concord is more than gas to palo alto |
| [20:42:00] | mchou: | charlesv: so are you saying you wont buy a mobo+cpu from anywhere? |
| [20:43:00] | mchou: | well, in the near future, at least. |
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| [20:46:00] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [20:46:00] | poonj: | anyone here get nuvexport to work in debian? |
| [20:47:00] | REyM]: | robin|away can you try tv_grab_nl_gert for me plz? I really can't get it working, I am in doubt if it actually still work |
| [20:47:00] | REyM]: | s |
| [20:48:00] | REyM]: | anyone gat a tv_grab_nl workingL |
| [20:48:00] | REyM]: | I really can't get one to work |
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| [20:51:00] | robin|away: | REyM]: you downloaded from the link i gave you ? |
| [20:52:00] | REyM]: | yeah, is it working for you? |
| [20:52:00] | REyM]: | at this moment |
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| [20:52:00] | robin|away: | REyM]: i will try |
| [20:52:00] | robin|away: | REyM]: one moment |
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| [20:52:00] | robin|away: | REyM]: you run mythfilldatabase --manual ? |
| [20:53:00] | REyM]: | well, just running tv_grab_nl_gert doesn't work here |
| [20:53:00] | hadeees: | okay so who here has an m179 and a pvr250 |
| [20:53:00] | robin|away: | REyM]: works okay here |
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| [20:54:00] | charlesv: | mchou not for a bit |
| [20:54:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: which one did you download? |
| [20:54:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: I guess you have to old one |
| [20:54:00] | charlesv: | i figure i should wait til i have money, then get something i know is good instead of just whatever deal fry's had |
| [20:54:00] | REyM]: | the one you gave me |
| [20:54:00] | charlesv: | they had an athlon64 socket a 3000 + ecs mobo for 139 |
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| [20:54:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: ok still the perl error ? |
| [20:55:00] | mchou: | charlesv: they must have raised the price. was 129 earlier. |
| [20:55:00] | REyM]: | robin|online yes, but I was thinking it could have been the server or something |
| [20:55:00] | REyM]: | robin|online http://xmltv.assies.info/dist/tv_grab_nl_client-0.1.9.tgz |
| [20:55:00] | REyM]: | that one |
| [20:55:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: yes the right one |
| [20:56:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: only problem i have is that it only contains 3 days |
| [20:56:00] | REyM]: | yeah, ok, but that is not a real problem imo |
| [20:56:00] | REyM]: | I first want to get it working :( |
| [20:56:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: but i'm looking on gathering.tweakers.net for that problem |
| [20:56:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: yes |
| [20:57:00] | REyM]: | wich xmltv version do you have? |
| [20:57:00] | robin|online: | REyM]: how can i see ? |
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| [20:58:00] | REyM]: | hmm does knoppmyth have dpkg? |
| [20:58:00] | robin|online: | yes |
| [20:58:00] | REyM]: | try dpkg -l xmltv |
| [20:58:00] | robin|online: | xmltv 0.5.39–2 |
| [20:59:00] | FuzzyLogic: | anybody know where i can get a liblame-dev package for debian amd64 |
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| [21:01:00] | rtsai: | FuzzyLogic: I had to download from CVS. But it already comes with a debian/ subdirectory, so it's very easy to create your own package. |
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| [21:10:00] | FuzzyLogic: | rtsai: the 64 bit sarge release of debian? |
| [21:11:00] | FuzzyLogic: | nm |
| [21:11:00] | FuzzyLogic: | i konw what you just said |
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| [21:13:00] | _samlow_: | hi evebody. my tv card stopped working |
| [21:13:00] | _samlow_: | i get this error at dmesg: bttv0: can't get IRQ 255 |
| [21:14:00] | _samlow_: | any ideas? |
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| [21:17:00] | hadeees: | i am going to put my head through a wall... damn you ivtv |
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| [21:17:00] | hadeees: | stuiped m179 and pvr-250 have perfect video yet no audio |
| [21:17:00] | hadeees: | *stupid |
| [21:18:00] | hadeees: | #ivtv-dev is like a grave yard |
| [21:19:00] | Cromz: | if you do that. make sure you have a webcam on ;) |
| [21:19:00] | REyM]: | you don't have audio on your pvr250? or just not good? |
| [21:19:00] | hadeees: | REyM], no audio |
| [21:19:00] | REyM]: | hmm, you installed the roms? |
| [21:19:00] | hadeees: | roms? |
| [21:20:00] | REyM]: | you followed the ivtv howto? |
| [21:20:00] | hadeees: | oh yeah its installed correctly |
| [21:20:00] | hadeees: | you are talking about the firmware? |
| [21:20:00] | hadeees: | if that wasn't installed i wouldn't have video |
| [21:21:00] | REyM]: | yeah, but maybe you forgot the audio firmware |
| [21:21:00] | hadeees: | there is just one firmware |
| [21:21:00] | REyM]: | hmm, ok, I don't know, I tought it would be the same as a pvr150 |
| [21:22:00] | REyM]: | nm then |
| [21:22:00] | REyM]: | I'll stfu |
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| [21:27:00] | hpAuto: | any reason you can think that I keep getting a box asking me to save screenshot? |
| [21:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | That doesn't sound like a myth screen |
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| [21:34:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: is the Halifax passport office as incompetent as here? |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | 2.5h to get the passport application in |
| [21:35:00] | Beirdo: | fuckin retarded |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | was about 30 minutes last time I was there to wait and answer a couple questions |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | lucky guy |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | there were 40 people in front of me |
| [21:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | doh heh |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | and about 50 behind me when I left |
| [21:36:00] | Beirdo: | and... |
| [21:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | if you use the online form, you get done in about 5 minutes |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | bastards |
| [21:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | I walked in with the online form filled out and ready to go |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | I wish someone told me that before I did the application |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | I had the REAL form.. |
| [21:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | filled out and ready to go |
| [21:37:00] | Beirdo: | they purposefully give preference to those who print the online form |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | passive aggressive fuckheads |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, I realize this is being logged :) |
| [21:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | I had nothing to do this afternoon really anyways |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | not that I want to do anyways :) |
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| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | pity the poor bastards that drove downtown and parked |
| [21:40:00] | BillyBoBob: | being called fuckheads is the least of their worries; I wouldn't worry about the logging :) |
| [21:40:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been goofing with different looks for my control panel |
| [21:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got too many ideas |
| [21:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I need to settle on something :) |
| [21:41:00] | Beirdo: | and not enough time |
| [21:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . 476.JPG& |
| [21:42:00] | Beirdo: | complete with frilly baby clothes :) |
| [21:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe yeah |
| [21:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | I need longer VGA and serial cables :) |
| [21:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I took apart my desktop machine so I have been working on it in the livingroom :) |
| [21:43:00] | Beirdo: | naughty boy with your .DVDRip files :) |
| [21:43:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Whatever |
| [21:43:00] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [21:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't hide it . I just don't help people with it :) |
| [21:43:00] | Beirdo: | here's to being Canadian |
| [21:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Besides, All of my DVD-> XVID's look like shit, so I just use what others have done. I own most of those :) |
| [21:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | not all, but most |
| [21:45:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: you've found that myth doesnt' do as good a job as a lotta folks? |
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| [21:46:00] | ** Beirdo just buys the DVDs ** | |
| [21:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: I've never used myth to rip a dvd except for a perfect rip the other day |
| [21:46:00] | robin|online: | what settings are good for dnr_mode, dnr_temporal and dnr_spatial ? |
| [21:46:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: Ah, I've not figured out how to do it well yet |
| [21:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: All of my attempts have been with other apps, finally after not getting the size+quality look I wanted I said screw it and haven't tried since |
| [21:47:00] | rjune: | I don't like a 12 hour encode. |
| [21:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not worried about that. They can encode while I sleep :) |
| [21:47:00] | rjune: | I don't sleep 12 hours |
| [21:47:00] | Beirdo: | or while you are at work... |
| [21:48:00] | robin|online: | I don't work for 12 hours |
| [21:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Exactly |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | or while you wait at the f'ing passport office... |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | I so shoulda brought a book |
| [21:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Start it when you go to bed, leave it all night and till you get home. OR buy a faster cpu :) |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | I know better |
| [21:48:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: that's 12 hours |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | heh, feels like it |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | http://pics.beirdo.ca/Tennessee/scan0211 |
| [21:49:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [21:49:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: really I would like to get a proper CPU in the thing, I had a mobo fail a couple weeks ago so I picked up something quickly, I hate semprons |
| [21:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course, If your problem is that it ties up the system, get multiple frontends or export mythfrontend/the rip to another machine that what is watching a show :) |
| [21:50:00] | rtsai: | GreyFoxx: what theme is that? |
| [21:51:00] | rtsai: | (your touchscreen picture on the baby clothes) |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | rtsai: One of I've been messing around with on my own machines |
| [21:51:00] | rtsai: | nice |
| [21:51:00] | rtsai: | I guess I should consider myself happy that I can worry about my theme now, instead of something worse. |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | I got permission from the project mayhem people to use their stuff to make a theme if I want, so I'll eventually put it out for others to use |
| [21:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | couple snapshots here : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/theme/ |
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| [21:53:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: very nice. |
| [21:54:00] | Krazylegz: | GreyFoxx is showing off his Project Mayhem-mojo again? |
| [21:54:00] | rtsai: | heh |
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| [21:54:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: is there a tool to show cpu temperature trends in 24hrs graphically with lm_sensors? |
| [21:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Krazylegz: They brought it up, not me! |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [21:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | Cacti |
| [21:55:00] | cochi: | guess you can use rrdtool for that ;) |
| [21:55:00] | rjune: | mchou: you can use mrtg |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | you will need to add your own custom support, but it works |
| [21:55:00] | mchou: | Bwow, 3 tools :) |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | cacti uses rrdtool for graphing |
| [21:55:00] | rjune: | mchou: easy way is to get the temp to show up in snmp |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | mrtg has been superceded by rrdtool, effectively |
| [21:56:00] | rjune: | My understanding was that mrtg used rrdtool to gather data |
| [21:56:00] | mchou: | rjune: no, that's not what I'm talking about. |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | and yeah, you present the temperature info over SNMP, then graph it with whatever |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | it might use rrdtool now |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | https://www2.beirdo.ca/cacti/graph_view.php?a . . . mp;tree_id=9 |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | as an example |
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| [21:57:00] | rjune: | I really would like something that'll autodetect a bunch of stuff and graph everything it finds |
| [21:57:00] | Mrgoose2: | sup Beirdo |
| [21:57:00] | Mrgoose2: | everyone |
| [21:57:00] | rjune: | cpu, temp, ram, df, etc |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | rjune: cacti |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | you need to tell it what to do though |
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| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | Mrgoose2: not much |
| [21:58:00] | Mrgoose2: | my new video card comes in today |
| [21:58:00] | Mrgoose2: | geforce 4 mx 440 |
| [21:58:00] | enyc: | kk |
| [21:58:00] | enyc: | is that good for RGB tv-out ?? |
| [21:58:00] | enyc: | or not? |
| [21:58:00] | Mrgoose2: | is what? |
| [21:58:00] | enyc: | the geforce card thing? |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna have to watch/delete more TV tonight |
| [21:58:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: did you design this page? |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:59:00] | Mrgoose2: | the www2.beirdo |
| [21:59:00] | Mrgoose2: | oh |
| [21:59:00] | Mrgoose2: | but it is your home box right? |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | www.cacti.net |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [21:59:00] | mchou: | rjune: Is there a free snmp management console graphical app in linux? |
| [21:59:00] | rjune: | dunno |
| [21:59:00] | mchou: | rjune: like HP openview or whatever.... |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | use the freshmeat :) |
| [21:59:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: looks awesome |
| [22:00:00] | rjune: | maybe nagios is something like what you want |
| [22:00:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: why is your home domain www2? |
| [22:00:00] | rjune: | or big brother/bigsister |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | because it is |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | www is elsewhere |
| [22:00:00] | rjune: | Mrgoose2: his home domain is beirdo.ca |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | my domain is beirdo.ca, yes |
| [22:00:00] | rtsai: | cacti huh |
| [22:00:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: oh im not even sure what www2 means |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | what does www mean? |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | well, that's the second server. |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | 2 + 2 = ? |
| [22:01:00] | rtsai: | so when I download this, will I kick myself for having spent a few evenings with rrdtool's joyfully plentiful command-line switches? |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | rtsai: likely. |
| [22:01:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: heh |
| [22:01:00] | Mrgoose2: | ahh |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | it drives rrdtool for you |
| [22:01:00] | Mrgoose2: | so why do you have two http servers at your house? |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | I don't |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | www is at my linode |
| [22:02:00] | Mrgoose2: | linode? |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | gooooogle |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:02:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo owns Canada. It's not as cool as owning Rhode Island, but he's pretty cool anywya. |
| [22:02:00] | rtsai: | doh. cacti is even in aptitude, and it even has "rrdtool" in its description. How did I miss it? |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | well, it's worth a bit of pain to get it running, it's quite sweet |
| [22:03:00] | rtsai: | rrdtool was painful. |
| [22:03:00] | rtsai: | you're saying cacti will be quite sweeter? |
| [22:03:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: why do you have a linode? |
| [22:03:00] | rtsai: | you're PROMISING cacti will be quite sweeter? :) |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | well, for custom graphs, you have to create all the details |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | and the graph template, etc |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | but it turns out real good |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | Mrgoose2: because I don't want to run everything on my DSL. |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | silly |
| [22:03:00] | rtsai: | eye candy is even sweeter when I only look at the graphs once a week. |
| [22:03:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: true |
| [22:04:00] | Mrgoose2: | i should get one |
| [22:04:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: is apache a dependency for cacti? |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | it needs a webserver, yes |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | with PHP support |
| [22:04:00] | mchou: | ouch. |
| [22:05:00] | BillyBoBob: | hmmm data aquisition+display in Myth front-end would be handy....in my house, for example, having temps would be good |
| [22:05:00] | Beirdo: | we look forward to your patches |
| [22:05:00] | BillyBoBob: | anyone know a cheap wireless data aquisiton h/w |
| [22:06:00] | Mrgoose2: | heh |
| [22:06:00] | Mrgoose2: | Beirdo: using lmsensors? |
| [22:06:00] | Mrgoose2: | that shit doesn't work with my motherboard |
| [22:06:00] | Mrgoose2: | it works |
| [22:06:00] | Mrgoose2: | but spits out crazy temps |
| [22:06:00] | mchou: | Mrgoose2: you need to mod sensors.conf |
| [22:06:00] | rtsai: | Hmm. Cacti wants me to download a bunch of SNMP stuff. Does it have a lm-sensors backend to use instead of SNMP? |
| [22:07:00] | Mrgoose2: | yea, i dont know what equations to change it to though mchou |
| [22:07:00] | mchou: | Mrgoose2: look it up on mbm5 :) |
| [22:07:00] | Mrgoose2: | ? |
| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [22:07:00] | Mrgoose2: | i didn't see anything on mbm5 |
| [22:07:00] | Mrgoose2: | that listed settings to put in |
| [22:07:00] | Mrgoose2: | my motherboard is supported by mbm5 |
| [22:08:00] | mchou: | Mrgoose2: you dont need to change equations for temps. For voltages maybe, but not temps |
| [22:08:00] | Mrgoose2: | yea my temps are fucked |
| [22:08:00] | Mrgoose2: | and voltages too |
| [22:09:00] | rtsai: | Mrgoose2: maybe you can try a different chip? Both my "it87" and "lm90" doohickies report CPU temps, but only one of them is sane. |
| [22:09:00] | jonK: | I've been told to not fuck the temps |
| [22:09:00] | Mrgoose2: | ok |
| [22:09:00] | mchou: | jonK: haha |
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| [22:09:00] | mchou: | jonK: are the temps good looking? |
| [22:10:00] | jonK: | there has been at least one |
| [22:11:00] | mchou: | jonK: did she slap you good? :) |
| [22:11:00] | jonK: | on another topic, my new chair will be here on monday |
| [22:12:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:12:00] | jonK: | I'm mad it's not here today |
| [22:12:00] | mchou: | dont fuck the temps on the new chair |
| [22:12:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [22:12:00] | jonK: | It's a herman miller, i think it can take it |
| [22:13:00] | mchou: | aeron or better? |
| [22:13:00] | jonK: | aeron |
| [22:13:00] | mchou: | I'm sitiing in my aeron right now. |
| [22:14:00] | mchou: | thing needs more backsupport :) |
| [22:14:00] | jonK: | I have the lumbar and tilt limiters |
| [22:14:00] | mchou: | I've been to cheap to get the new back support adapter thingy. |
| [22:14:00] | mchou: | too* |
| [22:14:00] | beavis: | do i always have to use absolute paths for my channel icons? |
| [22:14:00] | mchou: | shit has to be special ordered. |
| [22:15:00] | mchou: | which doesnt help matters |
| [22:15:00] | jonK: | otherwise, am I going to be happy i bought this? |
| [22:16:00] | mchou: | depends how much you paid :) |
| [22:16:00] | jonK: | money aside, comfortable ? |
| [22:16:00] | jonK: | my ass is very delicate |
| [22:16:00] | mchou: | ut you're gonna be reasonably happy regardless :) |
| [22:16:00] | mchou: | but* |
| [22:16:00] | jonK: | and i sit in my office many hours every day |
| [22:17:00] | mchou: | it's not about the ass. It's about the back. |
| [22:17:00] | cochi is now known as cochi|away | |
| [22:17:00] | mchou: | that pellicle is like sandpaper on your ass. |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | are you sitting in it naked? |
| [22:17:00] | mchou: | shreds pants like they're going out of style. |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | I've heard it can tear up pants |
| [22:17:00] | mchou: | might as well be. |
| [22:18:00] | jonK: | I'm excited nonetheless |
| [22:19:00] | mchou: | I dont get it. |
| [22:19:00] | mchou: | you guys have jets but dont have aeron chairs? :) |
| [22:19:00] | mchou: | misplaced priorities, man :) |
| [22:20:00] | jonK: | we dont have jets |
| [22:20:00] | jonK: | we have a jet |
| [22:20:00] | mchou: | well excuse me :) |
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| [22:38:00] | t0t3r: | anybody got paytv channels working wqith CI Module and CAM Module ? |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:38:00] | t0t3r: | what lol? |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | that kind of talk is verboten on this channel |
| [22:38:00] | t0t3r: | lol |
| [22:38:00] | t0t3r: | i dont think so ... |
| [22:39:00] | t0t3r: | hardware |
| [22:39:00] | t0t3r: | with real abo for the channels ... |
| [22:39:00] | t0t3r: | just if this technically works |
| [22:39:00] | t0t3r: | need to get premiere working |
| [22:43:00] | Beirdo: | t0t3r: good luck with that, who knows what kind of CAM module support is in the drivers |
| [22:44:00] | Beirdo: | nothing illegal about using the real hardware in the way it was intended. but who knows if anyone's coded it |
| [22:44:00] | t0t3r: | theres support for it ... |
| [22:44:00] | t0t3r: | should work ... |
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| [22:45:00] | mchou: | hah. support and work are two orthogonal concepts :) |
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| [22:45:00] | t0t3r: | oh yeah |
| [22:46:00] | ** xris goes off to click some of beirdo's ads — he's so helpful ** | |
| [22:46:00] | xris: | wow, and real mythtv-related ads, even. |
| [22:46:00] | stoffel: | xris: where? |
| [22:47:00] | xris: | stoffel: mythtv.beirdo.ca |
| [22:47:00] | xris: | turned out to be some random dvr forum thing |
| [22:47:00] | Beirdo: | cool, some are actually on topic? |
| [22:48:00] | xris: | my meadbrewer.com ones tend to be on topic. even interesting (and pay well) |
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| [22:53:00] | hadeees: | okay so who here has an m179 and a pvr250 |
| [22:53:00] | rtsai: | firefox is blocking all these AdSense thingies everyone is always talking about. |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | so tell it not to |
| [22:53:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:53:00] | rtsai: | but i haven't done anything |
| [22:54:00] | t0t3r: | m179 sounds like a grenade launche :> |
| [22:56:00] | Krazylegz: | You installed Firefox. |
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| [22:57:00] | xris: | rtsai: adblock only blocks what you tell it to |
| [22:57:00] | xris: | I have mine configured specifically to let google ads through (since I don't find them annoying) |
| [23:02:00] | ** xris wants an iriver ifp-899 ** | |
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| [23:03:00] | ** Beirdo wants $10M ** | |
| [23:04:00] | xris: | I'd settle for $10M |
| [23:04:00] | ** fatmatt wants beer ** | |
| [23:04:00] | fatmatt: | I'd settle for a beer |
| [23:05:00] | ** xris has beer (at home) ** | |
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| [23:05:00] | xris: | but more importantly, I have port and scotch and mead. |
| [23:06:00] | fatmatt: | don't you need buxom wenches to go with the mead? |
| [23:06:00] | fatmatt: | as in ye olde days |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | don't see why. goes well with or without wenches. |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | besides, my wife won't let me have any wenches. |
| [23:08:00] | fatmatt: | I get that as well |
| [23:08:00] | jonK: | be a polygamist: call them "sister-wives" instead |
| [23:09:00] | fatmatt: | do those come in the buxom variety? |
| [23:09:00] | fatmatt: | then again, nahhh, I can only afford 1 |
| [23:10:00] | fatmatt: | what time is it in the US ? |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | fatmatt: 2:10 PM in this portion |
| [23:10:00] | fatmatt: | 2.10 friday? |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | yes |
| [23:11:00] | fatmatt: | thanks, |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | you in au? |
| [23:11:00] | fatmatt: | yup, 7.10am |
| [23:11:00] | fatmatt: | east coast |
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| [23:31:00] | ** xris curses the fcc for their stupid deregulation-of-dsl ruling ** | |
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| [23:38:00] | GotD0t: | xris: deregulation of dsl? |
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| [23:43:00] | xris: | GotD0t: yes. |
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| [23:44:00] | xris: | phone companies no longer have to share their lines with ISP's |
| [23:44:00] | GotD0t: | hmm |
| [23:44:00] | GotD0t: | well i dont think they should HAVE to |
| [23:44:00] | xris: | covad seems to think they their partnerships will be unaffected. hopefully that means my speakeasy connection will be fine. |
| [23:45:00] | GotD0t: | i realize the implications of it |
| [23:45:00] | xris: | GotD0t: the problem is that it's prohibitively expensive for anyone else to come in and offer services. |
| [23:45:00] | xris: | they say they did it to increase competition between dsl and cable... but really all it does is let the two monopolies fight it out, and kill off the little guy. |
| [23:45:00] | GotD0t: | it doesn't matter what their reason is |
| [23:46:00] | GotD0t: | i just dont think the government shouldn't be able to tell people what they have to do with their property |
| [23:46:00] | kormoc: | GotD0t, should local and long distance be deregulated as well? |
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| [23:47:00] | kormoc: | (and btw, you used a double negative in that last line.) |
| [23:47:00] | GotD0t: | why thank you |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | so you wouldn't mind if it you could only use verizon's longdistance from your home no matter how much it costs? |
| [23:48:00] | GotD0t: | i changed the phrasing... missed that |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | what's to stop them from upping the price, knowing you have no choice but to pay? |
| [23:48:00] | GotD0t: | theres always ways around that... specially in this day and age |
| [23:49:00] | xris: | GotD0t: government can tell them to do whatever they want to, as long as the phone companies continue to accept subsidies. |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | how? what if they now say you have to pay $200/month to get dsl? |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | go use a payphone? |
| [23:49:00] | GotD0t: | i dont use dsl |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | sure, but some people have to |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | given cable isn't everywhere |
| [23:49:00] | xris: | some of us have to because cable doesn't offer features |
| [23:50:00] | kormoc: | GotD0t, basically, the gonvernment is now giving phone companys money and the normal citizen doesn't get anything back out of it, yay! :P |
| [23:50:00] | GotD0t: | xris: thats a problem... the government shouldn't have that kind of control |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | GotD0t, the gonvernment is paying them to lay down the cables, that's why they were allowed to say, you need to share them. |
| [23:51:00] | GotD0t: | well thats different... it means then its not THEIR property |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | yeah, and that's what got deregulated. |
| [23:51:00] | xris: | GotD0t: then the phone companies shouldn't accept the money from the government |
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| [23:52:00] | GotD0t: | ok then |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | the government paid for phone lines are now solely the properity of the phone companys. |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | the problem is that PHONE service is regulated, must be shared, because it's considered a telecommunications service... |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | but DSL is "internet" and thus not "telecommunications" (explain to me how THAT works)... |
| [23:52:00] | GotD0t: | hmm |
| [23:54:00] | fweeee: | Does anyone here us an avermedia AverTV 771 (DVB-T)? If so – can they give me a tip with getting the remote to work? |
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