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Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
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[00:02:00] mog_home: hi
[00:03:00] mog_home: anyone know of any chassis that look like the tivo ver2 chassis
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[00:03:00] mog_home: i just want a descrete unit with 2 tv tuners
[00:03:00] mog_home: if possible
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[00:09:00] abarbaccia: mog_home, check out the stuff silverstone offers
[00:10:00] abarbaccia: i think their site is www.silverstonetek.com
[00:10:00] abarbaccia: lascala lc11 is the nicest i htink
[00:11:00] mog_home: spiffy
[00:11:00] abarbaccia: indeed
[00:11:00] abarbaccia: a lil pricey (~125) but so so nice
[00:12:00] mog_home: a bit big
[00:12:00] mog_home: but nice
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: i think im gonna start another box just so i can make it so slick
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: big?
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: its a micro-atx
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: how much smaller do you want running on an x86
[00:12:00] mog_home: it looks big to me, i could be wrong
[00:12:00] abarbaccia: look up the dimensions – it'll fit smoothly into your AV rack
[00:13:00] mog_home: they both take standard atx
[00:13:00] mog_home: mobo
[00:13:00] mog_home: but i think it will work
[00:13:00] mog_home: thanks
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[00:13:00] mog_home: it include powersupply
[00:14:00] abarbaccia: mog_home, the lc11 takes a micro atx
[00:14:00] abarbaccia: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc11.htm
[00:14:00] abarbaccia: yes, psu is included (i think its optional but www.pcalchemy.com i believe includes one)
[00:15:00] mog_home: cool
[00:15:00] mog_home: this is perfect
[00:15:00] mog_home: thanks
[00:15:00] abarbaccia: mog_home, enjoy it!
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[00:22:00] mog_home: also is there a pci card that does mpeg4 encoding on board
[00:22:00] mog_home: i found one usb that did it
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[00:25:00] xris: mog_home: I think plextor makes one (or more)
[00:25:00] xris: other than that, you won't find one that works with linux.
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[00:25:00] mog_home: yeah plextor has one that works in linux but its usb
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[00:26:00] abarbaccia: mog_home, why mpeg4 and not mpg2?
[00:26:00] laga: why pci and not usb?
[00:27:00] abarbaccia: because usb is slow?
[00:27:00] laga: usb 2.0 is not slow.
[00:27:00] xris: abarbaccia: 480Mbit is slow?
[00:27:00] abarbaccia: compared to pci it is
[00:27:00] gbrach: 33mhz
[00:27:00] xris: abarbaccia: how big do you think the recordings are?
[00:27:00] xris: it's not like you'd be pushing more than 2–3 gigs per hour.
[00:27:00] mog_home: i want mpeg4 because i have a small driver
[00:27:00] abarbaccia: true, true
[00:27:00] mog_home: i dont want to have a beast of machine
[00:28:00] mog_home: so doing it on board would be better
[00:28:00] abarbaccia: very good – alright – off to the gym – later guys
[00:28:00] gbrach: pci is only 33mhz no?
[00:28:00] xris: or 66
[00:28:00] mog_home: 33 is base line
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[00:28:00] mog_home: you can get faster pci buses
[00:29:00] mog_home: but most cards only are used at 33mhz
[00:29:00] gbrach: so isn't the usb way faster then pci?
[00:29:00] abarbaccia: gbrach, you just compared a clock speed to a data rate – its apples and oranges
[00:29:00] mog_home: exactly
[00:29:00] mog_home: you have usb cards
[00:29:00] mog_home: i mean
[00:29:00] mog_home: usb to pci
[00:29:00] mog_home: not pci to usb
[00:30:00] mog_home: the latency on pci is nothing
[00:30:00] cochi: usb 2.0: 480 mbit. pci32 33mhz: 133 mbyte
[00:30:00] mog_home: and you can transfer 133 megabytes a sec on pci
[00:30:00] mog_home: beat me to it
[00:30:00] abarbaccia: ahhaha – we are all such nerds in here
[00:30:00] abarbaccia: alright – later
[00:30:00] xris: which makes it about twice as fast as usb 2
[00:31:00] cochi: and there's also pci64 66mhz ;)
[00:31:00] xris: either way, you'll NEVER hit that point recording with an mpeg4 encoder, so it's a moot point.
[00:31:00] cochi: not to talk of agp 8x, PCIe, ...
[00:31:00] mog_home: true but i want it all inside the machine
[00:31:00] mog_home: and xris the latency is a little worse
[00:31:00] xris: latency doesn't matter in the case of a tuner.
[00:32:00] gbrach: of course i knew the difference between clock speed and data rate – *cough* i just wanted to help the discussion along
[00:32:00] xris: fitting it inside the machine does.. and if plextor doesn't make a pci version, then that's the end of the search — they're the only company that makes a linux-friendly mpeg4 hardware encoder.
[00:32:00] ** gbrach is quickly cutting and pasting **
[00:32:00] mog_home: okies
[00:32:00] mog_home: thanks
[00:33:00] xris: or you could just do what I do and record with a pvr-150, and then use nuvexport to make relatively tiny xvid files
[00:33:00] xris: and then use mythvideo to play them
[00:34:00] mog_home: my problem is i dont have the proccessor power or machine power to do it
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[00:34:00] mog_home: i mean space
[00:36:00] Fosten: anybody know how to get audio working for the pvr-500?
[00:36:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:37:00] xris: mog_home: space is a fairly relative term... I mean, mpeg2 files take up the same amount of space as mpeg4 files
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[00:46:00] mog_home: your joking right
[00:46:00] mog_home: mpeg2 is huge compared to mpeg4
[00:47:00] xris: my joking what?
[00:47:00] kormoc: actually, it depends on the compression level.
[00:47:00] xris: mog_home: filesize and bitrate are two completely different things.
[00:47:00] travolta: 1 hour mpeg4 at 2500kbps is same harddrive space as 1hour mpeg2 at 2500kbps
[00:47:00] xris: I have a 2meg mpeg2 file and a 300meg mpeg4 file. thus, mpeg4 is larger.
[00:47:00] xris: nevermind that the mpeg2 file is only 10 seconds and the mpeg4 files is 20 minutes long.
[00:48:00] kormoc: he's assuming same quality.
[00:48:00] mog_home: exactly
[00:48:00] xris: bit-for-bit, mpeg4 is better quality than mpeg2 (generally speaking)... but that's completely separate from saying that you don't have enough drive space for mpeg2.
[00:48:00] mog_home: but mpeg4 looks as good as mpeg2 at lower bitrates
[00:49:00] mog_home: i mean mpeg4 at low bit rates looks good
[00:49:00] mog_home: where as mpeg2 does not
[00:49:00] xris: depends on the mpeg2 encoder, too.
[00:49:00] xris: but generally speaking, yes.
[00:49:00] xris: "better" is more appropriate than "good"
[00:50:00] kormoc: you could get a software tv tuner and have it record as mpeg4 software mode
[00:51:00] kormoc: if you *really* want a mpeg4 pci recording device...
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[00:51:00] xris: but then the quality will be worse than mpeg2 encoders per-bit. far worse.
[00:53:00] mog_home: i dont have the proc though
[00:53:00] mog_home: which has been the point
[00:54:00] kormoc: well, it seems like you're asking a bit too much from what little you have, no offence.
[00:54:00] xris: mog_home: mpeg4 software encoding is optimized for speed, not quality... no matter what bitrate you choose, it won't look as nice as mpeg2 hardware encoder cards, anyway.
[00:54:00] ** xris also notes that not once has mog_home mentioned the cpu or hard drive in question. **
[00:55:00] xris: if you want mpeg4, you have two options (provided plextor doesn't make a pci card): go with the USB encoder, or go with an mpeg2 encoder, and archive shows you want to keep off to xvid avi with nuvexport (slowly).
[00:56:00] mog_home: i will get the usb i guess
[00:56:00] mog_home: ^_^
[00:56:00] braniff: probably cheaper and easier just to buy more hdd space
[00:56:00] ** xris agrees **
[00:58:00] kormoc: esp when you're gonna shell out a extra $100 or so on the usb one, which could get you at least a 100 gig drive iirc
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[00:59:00] braniff: i'd say 200gig for $100
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[00:59:00] xris: if you do rebates
[01:00:00] ** braniff has only used 80G of his space for mythtv in the last 3 months **
[01:00:00] braniff: i'm not really a packrat though
[01:01:00] mog_home: well what is the best mpeg2 card for hte money?
[01:01:00] mog_home: the pvr250>?
[01:01:00] kormoc: 150 is the current fav I'd say
[01:02:00] braniff: 150 kicks ass. that's what i use
[01:02:00] mog_home: is it worse than the 150 or is it the same with linux drivers
[01:02:00] mog_home: i mean 250
[01:02:00] kormoc: the 150 is slightly better then the 250, iirc.
[01:02:00] kormoc: and a lot cheaper to boot.
[01:02:00] mog_home: really
[01:02:00] mog_home: how does that work
[01:02:00] xris: though you have to use the unstable drivers
[01:02:00] xris: mog_home: newer, cheaper chips.
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[01:03:00] xris: and I doubt they're making 250's anymore.
[01:03:00] kormoc: http://slickdeals.net/#p6339 <-- Wd 160 gb hd, $40 after mail in rebate.
[01:03:00] braniff: oh damn that's cheap
[01:04:00] mog_home: well im convinced then, so i need like a 2 ghz machine to have 2 tuners and watch tv live and record? or whatever is most strenuous
[01:04:00] kormoc: hardware encoders use maybe .5% cpu to record
[01:04:00] xris: recording with a 150 is tiny
[01:04:00] kormoc: you might as well not consider that a draw on the cpu.
[01:05:00] kormoc: to play back, if you have a videocard with XVMC, you could get away with a 1 ghz likly.
[01:05:00] xris: mog_home: asus pundit with a 2.4G celeron, 256M of RAM and a 200G drive is like $350 total
[01:05:00] xris: make that somewhere around $400 with two 150's
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[01:06:00] mog_home: thats sleak
[01:06:00] mog_home: and has room for 2 pci slots
[01:06:00] mog_home: with video out
[01:06:00] mog_home: this is what i will need
[01:06:00] xris: the pundit is better than the pundit-r
[01:06:00] xris: better video drivers
[01:06:00] xris: and it's QUIET.
[01:07:00] mog_home: really
[01:07:00] mog_home: thats perfict
[01:08:00] xris: it's a bit of a squeeze to get two cards in, but you can do it.
[01:09:00] xris: man, looks like original pundits are hard to find now
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[01:11:00] xris: damn, even gone from the distribution channels... so much for suggesting them anymore.
[01:13:00] mog_home: i found some online
[01:13:00] mog_home: 387 for a system with out cards
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[01:23:00] xris: for pundit or pundit-r?
[01:24:00] mog_home: pundit
[01:24:00] mog_home: the -r one looks slicker though
[01:24:00] mog_home: dont think it would squeeze in 2 cards real well
[01:24:00] xris: -r is the same size
[01:24:00] xris: but has ati video instead of SiS... ati is more of a pain to set up.
[01:25:00] mog_home: yeah i love sis
[01:25:00] mog_home: does it look good plugged directly into a tv?
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[01:28:00] xris: I like it.
[01:28:00] xris: haven't seen better
[01:28:00] mog_home: good good
[01:28:00] xris: other than dvi or vga directly into the tv.
[01:28:00] mog_home: i think ill do it then with a totall new machine
[01:29:00] xris: I have a 2.4G p4 (not celeron) in mine.. it's been great for a couple of years now.
[01:30:00] mog_home: im only worried about having quality suck, i thought you needed like 1ghz a tuner
[01:31:00] kormoc: for software tv capture cards, yeah
[01:32:00] mog_home: so as long as i leave em mpeg2 and not transcode its cool
[01:32:00] kormoc: you can transcode too, transcode doesn't require realtime processing.
[01:33:00] mog_home: you can tell it to do it at like 3 in the morning regularly?
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[01:37:00] kormoc: in theory, if you get things setup right, you could indeed
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[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: yo
[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: finally got myth running on a mini-tx
[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: still some work to do
[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: question
[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: starting – I need a window manager for keyboard control of mplayer
[02:24:00] MrSpiffy: I load twm first then mythtv
[02:25:00] MrSpiffy: but the the frontend shows up in an xterm box
[02:25:00] MrSpiffy: the border is on the top – not fullscreen
[02:25:00] MrSpiffy: any suggestions on running myth full screen with a window manager so I can control mplayer?
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[02:27:00] directhex: i find xfce4 works for that
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[02:27:00] directhex: i tried without a wm and with kde, neither of them behaved properly
[02:28:00] MrGhoose: anyone here using geforce2 mx 100/200?
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[02:30:00] MrSpiffy: directhex, what does your xinitrc look like?
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[02:35:00] directhex: huh? i don't use one.
[02:36:00] directhex: gdm loads xfce4, as it's my mythtv user's default. xfce loads, then executes all scripts in ~/Desktop/Autostart/ – the lone script in there runs xset s off, killall xscreensaver, mythfrontend
[02:39:00] MrGhoose: if the tvout on my card was working wouldn't it at least show up on my tv when the pc is in bios?
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[02:43:00] Krazylegz: MrGhoose: No.
[02:43:00] MrGhoose: actually anyone using a nvidia card and xorg?
[02:43:00] MrGhoose: if so could you send me your .conf
[02:44:00] MrSpiffy: blackbox works
[02:44:00] MrSpiffy: blackbox &
[02:44:00] MrSpiffy: then /usr/bin/mythfrontend
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[02:58:00] MrGhoose: anyone around?
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[03:01:00] anxt: hi
[03:01:00] anxt: anyone know how to make myth use jack?
[03:03:00] anxt: or where to get mythfm?
[03:09:00] kormoc|afk: mythfm doesn't work
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[03:10:00] ByteNik: is there anyone with ota hdtv in the new york area that can tell me if they can receive wnyw-dt?
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[03:12:00] BMOC: anyone using nuvexport?
[03:12:00] kormoc: nope, not a single person
[03:13:00] BMOC: i exported something, just wondering why it says it's only 17 minutes, when it doesn't seem to be
[03:13:00] kormoc: your transcode might be encoding wrong or you set the wrong options somewhere
[03:14:00] BMOC: well, i'm watching it, and it doesn't seem to be missing anything:O
[03:14:00] BMOC: i did mode=dvd in nuvexportrc
[03:15:00] BMOC: fyeah, it
[03:15:00] BMOC: it's not moving, as far as the time goes
[03:15:00] kormoc: do you know what mode=dvd does?
[03:15:00] BMOC: it's playing back fine, with all content, but it says playing 0:05/0:16 still
[03:16:00] BMOC: that's what xris said to do, as i am going to put it on a dvd. instead of xvid, i am to use that
[03:16:00] kormoc: ahh
[03:16:00] BMOC: i mean, maybe it will burn to disc fine, i don;'t know, i was just wondering why it's saying that
[03:16:00] kormoc: mplayer might be using a wrong mpeg-2 decoder for it
[03:16:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[03:16:00] BMOC: i am playing the mpg in totem and it's still at 0:05/0:16
[03:18:00] ByteNik: does anyone know anything about hdtv well enough to know why I'd be missing a single channel if its coming from the same transmission tower as 5 other channels that i do receive?
[03:18:00] ByteNik: i'm missing fox, but i get cbs/abc/nbc/wb/etc etc, all of which broadcast from the empire state building
[03:18:00] ByteNik: and according to anything i read, it would seem that they're operational
[03:18:00] ByteNik: i know i've received it before.
[03:19:00] BMOC: kormoc: do you know xris' email?
[03:20:00] BMOC: mythtv_at_forevermore_dot_net
[03:20:00] kormoc: that'd be it
[03:21:00] BMOC: i wonder if it's cuz i selected cutlist
[03:21:00] BMOC: which definitely did not work, cuz the commercials are still there
[03:21:00] kormoc: did you make a cutlist?
[03:21:00] BMOC: i told it to do so in nuvexport
[03:21:00] BMOC: the default was yes
[03:21:00] kormoc: ahh, but you didn't make a cutlist for it to use, did you?
[03:22:00] BMOC: oh, well, i thought that was automatically generated, it always is inside mythtv
[03:22:00] BMOC: i just hit z
[03:22:00] kormoc: the thing inside of myth is a flagged comerical list, you have to make a cut list by hand, as there's no util to convert between the two (yet)
[03:23:00] BMOC: oh, so if i want to make a dvd, i have to manually make a cut list?
[03:23:00] kormoc: if you don't want comericals
[03:23:00] BMOC: well, what did it do when i did nuvexport, letting it say "yes"
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[03:23:00] BMOC: for cutlist?
[03:23:00] kormoc: it likly looked for one, didn't find it and didn't do anything
[03:24:00] BMOC: i mean the mpg is fine, i just am confused why each "minute" is like 5
[03:24:00] kormoc: maybe your version of transcode is screwed?
[03:25:00] BMOC: transcode --version
[03:25:00] BMOC: transcode v1.0.0 (C) 2001–2003 Thomas Oestreich, 2003–2004 T. Bitterberg
[03:25:00] BMOC: would something in nuvexportrc be messed up?
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[03:25:00] kormoc: maybe
[03:25:00] kormoc: I'm running transcode version .6.14
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[03:26:00] jams: at one point transcode 1 was known to be troublesome =)
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[03:27:00] BMOC: jams: do you have any ideas, why the timing is funny?
[03:27:00] BMOC: i mean, it plays back fine
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[03:27:00] jams: transcode v0.6.13 here
[03:28:00] jams: without seeing the file I couldn't really say
[03:28:00] BMOC: i mean, i am watching it right now, it's fine.
[03:28:00] BMOC: just wondering what will happen when i make a dvd
[03:29:00] jams: only one way to find out
[03:29:00] jams: one file should only take less then 10 minutes to create the iso
[03:29:00] BMOC: oh, qdvdauthor will just make the iso?
[03:29:00] jams: well depending on the size of the file and speed of your system
[03:29:00] MrGhoose: actually anyone using a nvidia card and xorg?
[03:30:00] BMOC: the file is about 1gig
[03:30:00] BMOC: 900mb
[03:30:00] jams: I have no idea about qdvdauthor
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[03:30:00] jams: never used it
[03:30:00] BMOC: well, dvdauthor just makes an iso?
[03:31:00] jams: no dvdauthor makes the layout and required info
[03:31:00] kormoc: Quiote, I am
[03:31:00] Quiote: kormoc: could you send me your xorg.conf?
[03:31:00] jams: mkisofs or growiso makes the iso
[03:31:00] kormoc: Quiote, uhh, you likly don't want mine, what's the issue?
[03:31:00] Quiote: heh i cant get the tvout to owrk
[03:31:00] kormoc: Quiote, I have a apg fx5800 and a fx5200 in quadhead mode
[03:31:00] Quiote: oh
[03:32:00] Quiote: i just want to run a geforce2mx in clone mode
[03:32:00] kormoc: what version of the nvidia drivers are you running right now?
[03:32:00] Quiote: i was running the latest
[03:32:00] Quiote: tryin some old ones now
[03:32:00] kormoc: Nvidia dropped support for anything lower then a GeForce 3 in the 7xxx, so you need a 6xxx driver
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[03:34:00] Quiote: word
[03:35:00] kormoc: Quiote, I'm getting together what you should need... one sec
[03:35:00] Quiote: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[03:35:00] Quiote: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[03:35:00] kormoc: do you have the nvidia-glx part installed?
[03:36:00] Quiote: i guess, i just ran the nvidia installer
[03:36:00] awb4422: I am installing mythtv on ubuntu from mdz's debs and the installer creates a mythtv user – I added the user to the sudo'ers list, but I want it to use the same shell as a normal user created during the install. how do I change that?
[03:36:00] Quiote: does it require a reboot after you use the nvidia.sh installer?
[03:38:00] kormoc: no, but you should modprobe nvidia after you run the installer
[03:38:00] kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/19260
[03:38:00] kormoc: that's all you should need in your x.org video card device section for tvout
[03:38:00] Quiote: To install the NVIDIA driver contained within the .run file without
[03:39:00] Quiote: using nvidia-installer, you can use the included Makefile:
[03:39:00] Quiote: sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-6629-pkg1.run --extract-only
[03:39:00] Quiote: cd NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-6629-pkg1
[03:39:00] Quiote: make install
[03:39:00] Quiote: should i install it like that instead?
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[03:41:00] Quiote: like it comes up on my monitor fine
[03:41:00] Quiote: just not the tv
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[03:42:00] BoarderTX: hey all
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[03:42:00] BoarderTX: i got all my stuff workin! including my remote. i'm sooo happy and it even goes online and downloads my channel lineup, oddly enough though it when i go to watch tv, i only get one channel and nothing shows up for display or the program guide?
[03:44:00] kormoc: Quiote, what distro?
[03:44:00] Quiote: slackware
[03:44:00] Quiote: actually
[03:44:00] Quiote: after i add those lines you said
[03:45:00] Quiote: it wont even come up on my monitor anymore
[03:45:00] kormoc: ooh?
[03:45:00] Quiote: hold on i'll paste bin the device section of my xorg.conf
[03:45:00] BoarderTX: any ideas?
[03:46:00] Quiote: i dunno BoarderTX
[03:47:00] BoarderTX: oh ok
[03:48:00] BoarderTX: i get the one channel perfectly, but can't change channels or anything
[03:48:00] BoarderTX: it sucked down my guide information and shows "comcast blah blah"
[03:48:00] kormoc: BoarderTX, what card do you have?
[03:48:00] Quiote: kormoc: seems i have a bigger problem. Lets start back at square one now
[03:48:00] kormoc: cause it sounds like your tuner isn't working right
[03:48:00] kormoc: Quiote, okay
[03:49:00] Quiote: the xorg.conf i was using actually had the driver as "nv"
[03:49:00] kormoc: ahh, that'd be a issue.
[03:49:00] Quiote: so i just changed that to "nvidia" and using all the original stuff i had when it was working on my monitor
[03:49:00] Quiote: now with the driver as nvidia x crashes
[03:49:00] Quiote: so thats the first problem
[03:49:00] kormoc: what's the error message?
[03:49:00] Quiote: Fatal server error:
[03:49:00] Quiote: Caught signal 11. Server aborting
[03:49:00] Quiote: Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.
[03:49:00] Quiote: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[03:49:00] Quiote: after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[03:49:00] kormoc: and do you have the nvidia module loaded?
[03:49:00] Quiote: nvidia 3205624 0
[03:50:00] Quiote: yea module is loaded
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[03:50:00] kormoc: the error is actually above that
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[03:50:00] kormoc: is it the same version loaded as the x components?
[03:50:00] xris: kormoc: smack me next time I take on a huge project when there are more important things to do.  :)
[03:50:00] Quiote: kormoc: same version loaded as the x components?
[03:50:00] kormoc: xris, sure thing boss! What happened? :P
[03:50:00] Quiote: i just grabbed an old nvidia 6xx version
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[03:51:00] kormoc: Quiote, yeah, but was the 7xxx driver module loaded when you installed the 6xxx version?
[03:51:00] fun: why is "load dri" automatically added to me xorg.conf every time i restart?
[03:51:00] Quiote: oh i did nvidia-installer --uninstall before i installed 6xxx
[03:51:00] BoarderTX: kormoc: i'm using a hauppauge pvr-250
[03:51:00] kormoc: yeah, but that doesn't unload the module iirc.
[03:52:00] BoarderTX: spent all of today just getting the remote programmed, now it works good, but this is driving me nuts, i feel so close lol
[03:52:00] Quiote: kormoc: oh
[03:52:00] Quiote: so what should i do first?
[03:52:00] Quiote: http://pastebin.com/328887
[03:52:00] Quiote: there's a copy of my xorg error log
[03:52:00] kormoc: BoarderTX, your tuner isn't working correctly then, you likly have to tell it which tuner it is with the module option to tuner=x
[03:52:00] Quiote: the last part of it anyway
[03:52:00] xris: kormoc: nothing. I just realized that there are so many more important things to do. but my brain doesn't like to half-start things and then leave them alone.
[03:53:00] kormoc: xris, ahh, righto
[03:53:00] kormoc: Quiote, that's really odd... maybe try resetting the computer to just make sure it's clean?
[03:53:00] Quiote: yea i just did that
[03:54:00] ** xris wonders if a windmill ate Quiote's j **
[03:54:00] Quiote: heh
[03:54:00] Quiote: it works with the nv driver
[03:54:00] Quiote: but not the nvidia
[03:54:00] BoarderTX: kormoc: when why would i be getting the one channel perfectly? i think its just a mythtv setup issue
[03:54:00] kormoc: well, there's a problem with that
[03:54:00] kormoc: you will never get tvout with the nv and you won't get accellerated playback
[03:55:00] kormoc: BoarderTX, no, tuners default to tuned to a channel, given it won't change that channel, that points to a issue with the tuner not getting the correct change channel command
[03:55:00] xris: time for beer....
[03:55:00] kormoc: BoarderTX, the m179 I've been strugleing with has always tuned channel 5 perfectly, but I can't get it to change given it's tuner module isn't working right
[03:55:00] kormoc: xris, yum yum.
[03:56:00] BoarderTX: oh no
[03:56:00] BoarderTX: i just bought it
[03:56:00] BoarderTX: nib two days ago
[03:56:00] BoarderTX: :(
[03:56:00] xris: actually, it's not bad. and it's not even dark beer.
[03:56:00] kormoc: not as in hardware not working right, as in the tuner driver isn't working right
[03:56:00] xris: german beer and spatzle.. not a bad snack
[03:57:00] fun: would /usr/lib/ivtv/ptune-ui.pl & help figure out the tuner problems?
[03:57:00] Quiote: kormoc: weird thing is the nvidia screen comes up then the screen goes black and there like blue pixels in random places
[03:57:00] kormoc: it might fun
[03:58:00] kormoc: Quiote, try a 5xxx driver?
[03:58:00] Quiote: lol
[03:58:00] Quiote: ok
[03:58:00] Quiote: how do i cleanly uninstall this version
[03:59:00] kormoc: rmmod nvidia and then the nvidiablahblah.sh --uninstall or whatever it is
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[04:08:00] Quiote: kormoc
[04:08:00] Quiote: so i tried a 5xx driver
[04:08:00] kormoc: yeah?
[04:08:00] Quiote: loads up on my crt fine with the nvidia driver
[04:08:00] Quiote: but when i add all that tvout stuff
[04:08:00] Quiote: still no tvout
[04:09:00] kormoc: hrm, anything in the xorg log file?
[04:11:00] Quiote: nope nothing about tvout
[04:12:00] Quiote: for
[04:12:00] Quiote: Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30–50"
[04:12:00] Quiote: Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "60"
[04:12:00] Quiote: what should i have?
[04:12:00] fun: i gave up on twinview – when i just set up the tv out without the monitor it worked for me
[04:13:00] Quiote: hmm
[04:13:00] Quiote: you got a copy of your xorg.conf?
[04:13:00] fun: ill pastebin it...
[04:14:00] fun: http://pastebin.com/328899
[04:15:00] Quiote: cool
[04:15:00] Quiote: i'll try that
[04:15:00] Quiote: does your svideo work fine too?
[04:15:00] fun: dont have svideo out on my card: geforce fx 5200
[04:15:00] Quiote: ok
[04:16:00] fun: i installed lirc but when i try to run irw i get a "connect: no such file or directory" error. there is no lirc folder in /dev.... any idea how to get this working?
[04:19:00] abarbaccia: who thinks wiki's are cool and who thinks wiki's are lame? Im considering making my mythtv site a wiki
[04:19:00] Quiote: fun: what does your screen section say also?
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[04:21:00] sphing: fun: run lircd in no daemon mode and see what you get
[04:21:00] fun: http://pastebin.com/328902
[04:22:00] fun: quiote: i had commented out load dri in the modules section, but when i restart it always returns... dont know how to fix that
[04:22:00] fun: sphing: /sbin/service lircd start?
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[04:23:00] Quiote: fun: ha
[04:23:00] Quiote: i set it to your settings
[04:23:00] Quiote: and it still only loads up on my crt
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[04:24:00] fun: youre using composite video or svideo?
[04:24:00] kormoc: Quiote, he doesn't have a crt hooked up, so it only can load the tv out
[04:24:00] kormoc: Quiote, are you sure that card has to ramdacs?
[04:24:00] fun: i do have a crt hooked up
[04:24:00] kormoc: ooh, oops
[04:24:00] sphing: fun: lircd -n
[04:24:00] fun: but the crt doesnt display anything after boot, during boot the tv and crt mirror each other
[04:25:00] fun: sphing: lircd: command not found
[04:26:00] Quiote: kormoc: hmm i guess my card doesn't have two ramdacs
[04:26:00] sphing: found out where lircd is from the init script
[04:26:00] Quiote: i boot up with just the tvout connected and i get bios output on the tv
[04:26:00] Quiote: lets see if i get anyting in x
[04:27:00] fun: sphing: where would i find the init scripts?
[04:27:00] sphing: depends on your distro i'm not sure
[04:27:00] fun: anyone know where the fc3 init scripts are/
[04:28:00] xris: fun, you mean /etc/init.d like everything else?
[04:29:00] fun: xris: looks right – thanks
[04:30:00] D-side: anyone know if knoppmyth will work on an xbox?
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[04:30:00] D-side: i cant find a concrete answer.
[04:31:00] Quiote: kormoc
[04:31:00] Quiote: now i got it where it starts to load up on my tv
[04:31:00] Quiote: then goes black
[04:31:00] D-side: hrm. nevermind.
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[04:32:00] fun: sphing: lircd is in /usr/sbin
[04:33:00] LedHed: Anyone here using FC4?
[04:33:00] fun: "there seem to already be a lircd process with pid 5383, otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/lircd.pid
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[04:34:00] fun: i had already done /sbin/service lircd start before i tried irw
[04:35:00] Quiote: fun: ok i got it up
[04:35:00] Quiote: now how do i make it fill the whole screen?
[04:35:00] fun: nvidia-settings
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[04:35:00] fun: run that and you need to increase overscan
[04:35:00] fun: you can also play with some color settings in there
[04:36:00] fun: my screen is actually rotated about 5 degress clockwise – cant seem to starighten that out – hows yours look quiote?
[04:36:00] Quiote: not its straight
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[04:41:00] fun: so i seem to have lircd running, but i have no lirc in /dev — does this mean i have to recompile my kernel? cause that sounds like alot of work...
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[04:44:00] bannerboy_: why do I have all these boxes of un-updated video whenever I record?
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[05:06:00] monkeyBox: Does anyone here backup their DVDs using "dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso" ?
[05:06:00] LedHed: never tried, does that work?
[05:06:00] monkeyBox: LedHed: It works on lots of DVDs, but some fail with "Input/output error". (even completely new DVDs)
[05:07:00] LedHed: monkeyBox, it may be some sort of copy protection issue
[05:08:00] LedHed: BRB
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[05:08:00] monkeyBox: What was interesting is that on some dvds, if I got that input/output error, I would play it on xine for a bit, and then I could do a flawless dd. Very strange :-p
[05:09:00] fun: how do you know what value to use for io when setting up lirc?
[05:12:00] smb3_guy: i wanted to make a legal directv pci card, but i'm not that good of an engineer yet
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[05:14:00] LedHed: When I go to "Watch Live TV" is get an error "Unavle to initalize Video" and the log says "Decoder not alive, and trying to play" but I can get video from the command line through MPlayer. any ideas?
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[05:29:00] Fosten: does anybody know how to get sound working for the pvr-500?
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[05:29:00] xris: Fosten: um, it usually just works.
[05:31:00] fun: does it not work on either tuner?
[05:32:00] jasoncohen: Fosten, did you remove the old msp3400 module before compiling ivtv or delete it and run depmod ?
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[05:34:00] Fosten: xris: i have video working ok, but no audio
[05:34:00] Fosten: jasoncohen: i'm not sure, i dont think so
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[05:35:00] jasoncohen: Fosten, make install ivtv again and it should tell you to remove the old msp3400 module. delete it and make install again. then run depmod
[05:35:00] xris: Fosten: hauppauge cards do their own encoding... generally, it works or it doesn't
[05:44:00] LedHed: xris, you're running FC4 right?
[05:44:00] xris: on a frontend, yes
[05:45:00] LedHed: humm, not as a backend?
[05:45:00] xris: no
[05:45:00] xris: backend is fc3
[05:45:00] xris: my workstation is fc4
[05:45:00] LedHed: ah,
[05:46:00] LedHed: I cant get the IVTV modules to load at boot
[05:47:00] LedHed: after boot, if I do modprobe ivtv then they load fine.
[05:50:00] xris: LedHed: I have to do that in fc3, too
[05:50:00] xris: dunno why
[05:50:00] LedHed: humm, that sucks....
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[05:51:00] LedHed: also, When in the Frontend, if I try to go to "Watch Live TV" is says "Unable to initalize Video" any ideas? Frontend log says "Decoder not alive, and trying to play"
[05:51:00] xris: no clue
[05:52:00] LedHed: :(
[05:57:00] J14607: Does anyone here know about Channel Changing over Firewire (as opposed to an IR blaster), with the SA 3250? or other boxes?
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[05:58:00] xris: J14607: dunno. I thought it was still done via IR.
[05:58:00] J14607: I know with MythTV, people do it on a motorola box.
[05:59:00] J14607: But there are people with SageTV who do it over firewire with this box. (3250)
[05:59:00] J14607: So it's obviously possible, I would just need the commands and I'm not sure where to get that
[05:59:00] xris: J14607: then mythtv can do it as long as you can find a script capable of doing it.
[05:59:00] J14607: And I'm very new to MythTV
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[06:00:00] J14607: I don't know where tp find a script or what to do with it if I found it lol
[06:00:00] xris: mythtv only knows how to call an external script to change channels. but that script can be anything you want.
[06:00:00] J14607: but I do know theres an option to enter a command line for control over firewire
[06:00:00] J14607: I found teh command for the motorla box
[06:00:00] xris: in mythtvsetup, there's a place to put an "external channel change script" path... mythtv calls that script with the channel number as an option.
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[06:00:00] J14607: yes thats it
[06:00:00] xris: eg. in my case: /usr/local/bin/dish_chan.sh
[06:00:00] xris: which would be called as: /usr/local/bin/dish_chan.sh 122
[06:00:00] J14607: any clues on how to get it to work with my box
[06:01:00] xris: but for specific boxes beyond that (dish_chan is lirc-based for my IR blaster), not a clue
[06:01:00] J14607: is there anyway I can somehow send some commands myself and then somehow turn them into a script when i find the right ones?
[06:02:00] xris: no clue
[06:02:00] _Nero_: J14607- I would suspect it isnt possible in Linux..
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[06:03:00] _Nero_: I havent heard of anyone working on firewire channel changing in *nix..
[06:03:00] xris: J14607: best bet is to search the mythtv mailing list archives.. and if nothing is there, ask on the list.
[06:03:00] xris: far more people there than here.
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[06:03:00] J14607: I did search some forums, but I didnt' search the mailing list
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[06:04:00] J14607: I just thought thiss dynamic exchange might be better for my purposes
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[06:07:00] xris: J14607: no one important (meaning, no devs) hangs out on forums
[06:07:00] xris: and here is a good place to check. but since no one here seems to know......
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[06:08:00] Fosten: xris: do you have any suggestions on what to try for my pvr-500 audio issue?
[06:09:00] _Nero_: Fosten- are you loading the correct msp3400 module?
[06:09:00] _Nero_: I was having troubles with audio on my pvr-250, and it turns out it was loading the wrong module.. there is an ivtv specific one..
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[06:10:00] Fosten: _Nero_: jasoncohen suggested i delete the old msp3400 module, but i'm not sure where to find it or what to load instead
[06:10:00] Fosten: when i lsmod there is no msp3400
[06:10:00] _Nero_: ahh.. well that might be part of the problem right there.. you need to be loading msp3400 in order to get sound from the card..
[06:11:00] _Nero_: try a modprobe msp3400
[06:11:00] xris: Fosten: start reverting to earlier drivers until you find one that works? (had to do that for my 150 at one point)...
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[06:11:00] _Nero_: xris- you using a pvr-x50 card?
[06:11:00] xris: but yeah, when you make install the drivers, it'll warn you about conflicting driver names
[06:11:00] xris: _Nero_: yeah, 150
[06:12:00] _Nero_: is your video as good, or nearly as good as non-encoded?
[06:12:00] xris: Fosten: for one, which driver version are you using?
[06:12:00] xris: _Nero_: way better than my pctvpro card was
[06:12:00] _Nero_: my 250 seems to give considerable artifacts, even at the max bitrate..
[06:12:00] xris: my 150 is good.. not perfect, but nearly.
[06:12:00] _Nero_: xris- but in comparrison to just running right to your TV.. do you notice a slight difference?
[06:12:00] Fosten: _Nero_: modprobing msp3400 didn't help
[06:13:00] Fosten: xris: i am using driver version ivtv-0.3.6z
[06:13:00] _Nero_: (I am just trying to figure out if I am being too picky.. wife doesnt notice it at all.. lol)
[06:13:00] xris: _Nero_: slight. hard to say, the mythbox has a better video feed (svideo) than the tv (rf)
[06:14:00] Fosten: _Nero_ and xris: i have video working perfectly but no audio
[06:14:00] _Nero_: gotcha... it is probably just me being too picky.. no one else seems to notice it..
[06:14:00] xris: Fosten: you said that... so what video source are you using?
[06:14:00] _Nero_: Fosten hold on.. lemme go take a look at something..
[06:15:00] Fosten: xris: video sources? i am using driver version ivtv-0.3.6z
[06:16:00] _Nero_: video and audio.. rf in?? svid + l and r in?
[06:16:00] xris: Fosten: as in what port.. rf, composite, svideo?
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[06:18:00] Fosten: xris: tvout is attached via composite, but i also have a crt attached
[06:18:00] Fosten: sorry if i sound confused, i had some help setting this up
[06:18:00] xris: Fosten: what ports are going into your 500
[06:21:00] Fosten: xris: oh just the cable into tv-in
[06:21:00] xris: so rf...
[06:21:00] Fosten: :-)
[06:22:00] _Nero_: humm.. I am running ivtv 0.1.10.. a tad bit old.. wonder if I am missing out on anything, or if I should just leave well enough alone..
[06:22:00] Fosten: xris: i also have an output of my syslog and some other things if you think taking a look at it might help http://kazer.homeip.net:81/~fosten/
[06:23:00] xris: _Nero_: my guess is that if it works, leave it. heh
[06:23:00] xris: Fosten: did you compile your own drivers?
[06:23:00] Fosten: yes
[06:23:00] ** _Nero_ tries to remember what he did to fix this problem long ago.. **
[06:25:00] _Nero_: somewhere in my modules directory, there were two msp3400 files.. one was in either video or audio, and the other was in 3rd party something or another.. I ended up renaming the one in the video/audio directory (it was the original msp3400 that was installed with my distro), and after rmmod msp3400, and modprobe msp3400 modprobe ivtv, everything worked great..
[06:26:00] _Nero_: then again, we are talking a very old version of ivtv, so it may be something totally different.
[06:26:00] xris: Fosten: when you run `make install` does it not warn you about some module name conflicts?
[06:28:00] Fosten: xris: no
[06:29:00] xris: what distro/kernel version?
[06:29:00] Fosten: 2.6.11-gentoo-r5
[06:33:00] xris: are you using emerge to install ivtv, or doing it by hand?
[06:34:00] ** xris doesn't trust emerge not to just suppress error messages. **
[06:35:00] Fosten: xris: i compiled from source
[06:36:00] xris: maybe gentoo's kernel nicely does not include the necessary sound modules or something.
[06:36:00] xris: you'll probably have to wait for another gentoo user to wake up... or like I suggested, start reverting driver versions.. remember, you're running the unstable driver version.
[06:36:00] xris: some snapshots are quite buggy.
[06:39:00] xris: or, maybe actually try to get emerge to do it... maybe it'll catch something you missed... like the audio firmware or something.
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[06:41:00] travolta: what about the suggested solution above? delete the current/old msp3400 module and recompile ivtv
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[06:47:00] Equilibre: Folks.
[06:48:00] Equilibre: xris, how would you feel if the GUIfied NVU exporter weren't a part of MythWeb at all? All I'm looking for is non violent disagreement :)
[06:48:00] Equilibre: I'm thinking a simple Perl or Ruby GUI would be pretty straightforward.
[06:49:00] xris: Equilibre: how is that different from the current ui, then?
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[06:49:00] xris: (since I assume you're talking about nuvexport)
[06:49:00] Equilibre: I am.
[06:49:00] Equilibre: I'm proposing wrapping the current nvuexport into a simple CGI
[06:50:00] xris: I just don't see the point, but nothing's stopping you.
[06:50:00] Equilibre: I'm presuming nvuexport doesn't currently have a CGI interface?
[06:50:00] xris: no, not yet.
[06:50:00] xris: was waiting for jobqueue support or you run into all kinds of mess dealing with forking, etc.
[06:51:00] Equilibre: The point is to make the 'export this program' functionality erm, available to those aspects of erm. Myself which are less technically adept :) and to whom I don't want to give SSH access. All this being entirely personal of course :)
[06:51:00] xris: why not just use mythstreamtv, then?
[06:51:00] Equilibre: Really? Will nvuexport fail, or Myth, or both, in an undetermined way?
[06:52:00] xris: what do you mean fail? nuvexport is designed to run on the commandline.. any other way could fill up buffers, or just die when the apache connection times out, etc.
[06:52:00] xris: it needs to be wrapped in SOMETHING that will watch it and keep it running.
[06:53:00] xris: if all you want to do is export stuff, just set it up as a user job.
[06:53:00] Equilibre: Because this is assuming I don't have access to things like a broadband connection. The goal here is to let me bundle up a bunch of AVIs and burn them onto a DVDRW
[06:53:00] Equilibre: That's doable from within Myth currently? Or are you referring to a raw cron job on the system?
[06:55:00] xris: you can set up a user job from within myth, I believe attached to each recording profile...
[06:55:00] xris: then every show you record will get run through nuvexport...
[06:55:00] Equilibre: Interesting! That could do quite nicely, thank you!
[06:55:00] xris: exactly as if you were you run nuvexport on the commandline with --title .
[06:56:00] xris: (as in `nuvexport --title . `)
[06:56:00] xris: that would encode every single thing available...
[06:56:00] xris: as opposed to the user job, which would need to know how to pass in parameters for the specific recording attached to the job.
[06:57:00] Equilibre: The per recording profile option would definitely do it
[06:57:00] Equilibre: I'm fine with a "BSGAVI' profile, or whatever.
[06:57:00] Equilibre: Thanks much for the insight.
[07:02:00] xris: well, there are only 4 profiles... default, hq, lq and livetv
[07:11:00] Fosten: xris: i just tried to remove the gentoo specific msp3400 files and re make, make install ivtv, reload ivtv and msp3400 modules... but alas to no success
[07:12:00] xris: depmod -a ?
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[07:37:00] Quiote: anyone using a geforce 2 card? I need to know which nvidia driver you are using
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[07:39:00] Agrajag-: yeah i am
[07:39:00] Quiote: Agrajag-: which driver you using from nvidia?
[07:39:00] Quiote: which version
[07:39:00] Agrajag-: not sure, can't remember
[07:39:00] Quiote: i can only get the oldest one's to work
[07:39:00] Agrajag-: lemme see if i can find out somehow
[07:40:00] Quiote: type
[07:40:00] Quiote: nvidia-installer --version
[07:40:00] Quiote: actually
[07:40:00] Quiote: that just says the version of that program
[07:40:00] Agrajag-: looks like NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-7174-pkg1
[07:40:00] Quiote: wow
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[07:40:00] Quiote: and that works with the nvidia geforce2 mx?
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
[07:41:00] Quiote: hmm
[07:41:00] Quiote: can you show me your xorg.conf?
[07:42:00] Agrajag-: i use xfree86 but yeah gimme a sec
[07:43:00] Agrajag-: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/XF86Config-4
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[07:44:00] Quiote: thanks
[07:45:00] Agrajag-: what's the problem you're having?
[07:46:00] Quiote: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[07:46:00] Quiote: after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[07:46:00] Quiote: when i try to startx with one of the newer drivers
[07:46:00] Quiote: it tries to start then crashes
[07:48:00] Quiote: http://pastebin.com/328998
[07:48:00] Quiote: there's end part of the xorg log
[07:48:00] Agrajag-: hmm well i know with debian the latest official (in unstable) packages don't support nvidia stuff yet
[07:48:00] Agrajag-: (of xorg)
[07:48:00] Quiote: well i just tried the one you have installed
[07:48:00] Agrajag-: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html
[07:48:00] Quiote: and one's released earlier than the one you have
[07:49:00] Quiote: oh im using slackware
[07:52:00] Quiote: Agrajag-
[07:52:00] Quiote: if i disable the glx driver
[07:52:00] Quiote: it loads up
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[08:07:00] defaultro: hi Agrajag
[08:07:00] Agrajag-: gday defaultro
[08:08:00] defaultro: i think, it's time for me to start debug mythmusic
[08:08:00] mchou: defaultro: get your Fusion atsc receiver yet?? :)
[08:08:00] defaultro: it sometimes shutsdown my mythtv
[08:08:00] defaultro: nope, not yet
[08:08:00] mchou: defaultro: what you waiting for?
[08:08:00] defaultro: my wife is asking to hardwood our 1st floor
[08:09:00] defaultro: :(
[08:09:00] mchou: doh!
[08:09:00] defaultro: :D
[08:09:00] mchou: use bamboo
[08:09:00] defaultro: is it nice?
[08:09:00] mchou: stuff is fantastic
[08:09:00] mchou: very
[08:09:00] defaultro: ok
[08:09:00] defaultro: i'll ask about it tomorrow at the store
[08:09:00] defaultro: what color is it?
[08:09:00] mchou: and it's harder than nails
[08:09:00] defaultro: oh ok
[08:10:00] defaultro: hey, how would i debug myth when mythmusic shuts it down?
[08:10:00] mchou: very pale yellow, even lighter than maple.
[08:10:00] defaultro: does it change color?
[08:10:00] mchou: nom afaik
[08:10:00] mchou: no*
[08:10:00] defaultro: price is nice too
[08:10:00] defaultro: http://www.builddirect.com/Bamboo-Flooring.aspx
[08:11:00] defaultro: i love it
[08:11:00] defaultro: that's a great recommendation
[08:12:00] mchou: it's even better than oak imho
[08:12:00] mchou: much more durable.
[08:12:00] mchou: and environmentally sustainable.
[08:13:00] mchou: stuff looks very nice.
[08:14:00] Quiote: hmm
[08:14:00] Quiote: anyone using overscan?
[08:15:00] defaultro: im using underscan :)
[08:15:00] defaultro: -3
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[08:16:00] mchou: bah, I disappointed with linux i86_64.
[08:16:00] mchou: mplayer and xine hardly work worth jack.
[08:17:00] mchou: all those win32 codecs......
[08:17:00] defaultro: mchou, how will i troubleshoot mythmusic's shutting down
[08:17:00] defaultro: it only happens in mythmusic
[08:17:00] defaultro: i'm sure, it's a segfault
[08:17:00] mchou: huh??
[08:17:00] mchou: mythmusic hasnt shut down on me.
[08:17:00] defaultro: there are times when i start playing music, myth will shutdown
[08:18:00] mchou: weird.
[08:18:00] defaultro: so i don't know if there is a parameter i can add to mythtv that will log the cause
[08:18:00] mchou: never happened to me.
[08:19:00] mchou: mythmusic is flakey in other respects though.....
[08:20:00] defaultro: ok
[08:20:00] Quiote: defaultro: oh i cant get this nvidia card to take up the whole screen
[08:21:00] Quiote: what do you have your resolution set to?
[08:21:00] mchou: set it to the display's native res. :)
[08:21:00] defaultro: am at 1920x1080
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[08:23:00] defaultro: got to rest now
[08:23:00] defaultro: talk to you tom mchou
[08:23:00] Quiote: on your television
[08:23:00] Quiote: you have it set that hight?
[08:23:00] defaultro: nope
[08:23:00] mchou: later defaultro
[08:23:00] defaultro: on my nvidia card
[08:23:00] defaultro: i didn't touch television
[08:24:00] defaultro: Quiote, btw, i have hdtv
[08:24:00] defaultro: i don't know if you;re driving an hdtv to
[08:24:00] defaultro: too
[08:24:00] defaultro: mchou, you got 6600 card too right
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[08:25:00] mchou: 6600gt
[08:25:00] defaultro: bam
[08:25:00] defaultro: you copied me ha :D
[08:25:00] mchou: on my a64 machine, running ia32
[08:25:00] defaultro: are you happy with it?
[08:25:00] mchou: not really.
[08:25:00] defaultro: so we almost got the same setup
[08:25:00] defaultro: why aren't you happy?
[08:25:00] mchou: but cool'n'quiet is VERY NICE.
[08:26:00] mchou: cause it was too much $$$
[08:26:00] defaultro: oh lol
[08:26:00] defaultro: i though about performance
[08:26:00] mchou: not enough !/$
[08:26:00] defaultro: yep
[08:26:00] defaultro: so we have almost identical machine
[08:26:00] defaultro: a64, ia32
[08:26:00] mchou: I was expecting more.
[08:26:00] therealgalen: anybody ever try out an intel GPU with mythtv?
[08:27:00] mchou: lol, here comes mr raid.
[08:27:00] defaultro: :D
[08:27:00] defaultro: where is your nvidia connected?
[08:27:00] therealgalen: lol let's not go there
[08:27:00] mchou: therealgalen: I got the perfect vid card for you.
[08:27:00] mchou: what's your budget for video card?
[08:28:00] defaultro: mchou, answer me so i can sleep :)
[08:28:00] therealgalen: i'm noticing that intel ships some pretty decent GPUs now with XvMC support...
[08:28:00] mchou: defaultro: huh? what was the question?
[08:28:00] defaultro: to what type of tv is your card connected?
[08:28:00] mchou: oh...
[08:29:00] mchou: an akai display I got a costco.
[08:29:00] mchou: at*
[08:29:00] defaultro: is it a regular tv or hdtv
[08:30:00] mchou: therealgalen: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133143
[08:30:00] mchou: defaultro: it's EDTV :)
[08:30:00] defaultro: the reason i was asking is because, I would like to know if I connect my mythtv via component out on my old tv
[08:30:00] therealgalen: mchou: looking now
[08:30:00] defaultro: at 1920x1080
[08:30:00] defaultro: i don't know what will happen
[08:30:00] mchou: wasnt going to spend the extra $ for HDTV.
[08:30:00] therealgalen: mchou: wow, you found one!
[08:30:00] defaultro: do you think, my tv will take 1920x1080
[08:30:00] therealgalen: mchou: I'm very impressed
[08:31:00] mchou: therealgalen: it's a fire sale too.
[08:31:00] mchou: look at the $
[08:31:00] defaultro: mchou, my tv is just a regular Panasonic 29"
[08:31:00] therealgalen: yeahh
[08:31:00] defaultro: it's got a component in YPbPr
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[08:31:00] mchou: defaultro: the tv accepts component?
[08:31:00] defaultro: yep
[08:31:00] mchou: ok.
[08:31:00] mchou: Should work.
[08:31:00] defaultro: but my linux reso is 1920x1080
[08:32:00] therealgalen: mchou: the sad part is that I discovered the pentium d 820... it has an awesome price/performance ratio.... but all the mobos are PCI-E only
[08:32:00] defaultro: do you think, it will take it?
[08:32:00] mchou: therealgalen: huh??
[08:32:00] defaultro: aight guys, good night :)
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[08:32:00] mchou: defaultro: hmm, that I'm not sure about.
[08:32:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: ok
[08:32:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: no worries
[08:32:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: goodnight bud
[08:32:00] mchou: the vid card will scale down.
[08:33:00] mchou: for component.
[08:33:00] mchou: later defaultro|zzzzzz
[08:33:00] mchou: therealgalen: I think you're funny.
[08:34:00] mchou: link to mobo CPU deal pls.
[08:34:00] therealgalen: mchou: i know you do...
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[08:34:00] mchou: therealgalen: you're technologically challenged :)
[08:35:00] therealgalen: I don't think I'm technologically challenged... I just have been hiding from x86 for years :)
[08:35:00] mchou: the fact you are all over the map tells me you are :)
[08:36:00] mchou: I'm still waiting for your link to CPU mobo :)
[08:36:00] therealgalen: mchou: i was seriously looking at an amd 64 system, but then i saw the price performance ratio for the pentium d, particularly at a lot of video-related tasks
[08:37:00] therealgalen: OK, i'm looking at two mobos... one intel and one asus, both intel 954G based setups
[08:38:00] therealgalen: looking up the URLs
[08:38:00] therealgalen: Intel D945GNT Media Edition
[08:38:00] therealgalen: http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/nt/
[08:38:00] mchou: therealgalen: I think you're off your rocker
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[08:39:00] therealgalen: Why?
[08:39:00] mchou: you ever consider the noise & heat on a P4?
[08:39:00] therealgalen: Yes, I will cook my pasta on the CPU. It should be a great way to consolidate my kitchen and computer equipment :)
[08:39:00] mchou: plus there is no pricing on the link you gave.
[08:39:00] therealgalen: The mobo is ~$120
[08:40:00] mchou: screw that.
[08:40:00] mchou: aint no way I'd build that.
[08:40:00] mchou: what proc and $?
[08:41:00] mchou: no damn firewire either.
[08:41:00] mchou: stuff is braindead.
[08:41:00] therealgalen: no, the media edition has firewire
[08:41:00] therealgalen: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131538 is the other option
[08:42:00] mchou: I really think you're losing it.
[08:43:00] mchou: this is even worse than your RAID idea.
[08:43:00] therealgalen: lol
[08:43:00] mchou: didnt know it's possible to top that.
[08:43:00] mchou: whatever, it's your money.
[08:44:00] therealgalen: Why? Let's reason through this... I want a machine that's going to give me a good bit of muscle for various tasks, a dual core gives you performance similar to a SMP system. Look at what you get for the $ in a dual core 2.8 ghz.
[08:45:00] therealgalen: $233 gets a dual core 2.8 ghz, 1 MB l2 cache per core pentium d 820
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[08:46:00] therealgalen: Yes, they do run warm. But the dual cores are not as hot as dual P4s would be.
[08:46:00] mchou: haha, that's a joke.
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[08:46:00] therealgalen: Why?
[08:47:00] mchou: that's like comparing a nuclear explosion to the sun.....
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[08:47:00] mchou: sun is definitely hotter.
[08:47:00] mchou: but they both are hot!
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[08:47:00] therealgalen: lol should we pull out thermal specs for the cpus?
[08:47:00] therealgalen: what do you wish to compare?
[08:48:00] atomjack: anyone here been able to get an hd-3000 working in myth with the dvb drivers?
[08:48:00] mchou: compare to any other proc, besides maybe AthlonXP.
[08:48:00] therealgalen: lol
[08:50:00] atomjack: hmm
[08:50:00] therealgalen: Pentium D 820: typical heat dissipation = 95 W
[08:50:00] therealgalen: What CPUs shall we compare it against?
[08:50:00] mchou: any athlon64 :)
[08:51:00] therealgalen: Take a look at this review http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/dualcoreintel/conclusion.htm So how about we compare it against a top of the line A64?
[08:51:00] mchou: sure, knock yourself out.
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[08:52:00] mchou: therealgalen: http://www.goodwin.ee/sulo/Power2.htm
[08:53:00] therealgalen: Take a lok at this: http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-venice/models.gif
[08:53:00] mchou: that's tad old.
[08:55:00] therealgalen: Yeah, your link is a tad old. Look at my link, that's a bit newer. Not too far off from 95 W, eh?
[08:56:00] Fosten: hi, i am trying to get sound working on my pvr-500 to no avail. i have deleted the old msp3400 module and recompiled ivtv, yet no /lib/modules/`uname-r`/extra/msp3400.ko is created and modinfo msp3400 doesn't link to a filename... does anyone have any ideas?
[08:56:00] mchou: therealgalen: your link has NO credibilty.
[08:56:00] mchou: they sound like intel shills.
[08:57:00] therealgalen: mchou: how about I get formal numbers from AMD?
[08:57:00] mchou: therealgalen: sure.
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[09:01:00] therealgalen: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/ . . . cs/30430.pdf
[09:02:00] therealgalen: p. 12, 3500+ Thermal Design Power 89 W at 2200 MHz
[09:02:00] therealgalen: 89 W vs 95 W.... hmmmm.... what difference???
[09:02:00] mchou: lol
[09:03:00] mchou: you dont even know how to read spec sheets.
[09:03:00] therealgalen: better be careful, i might start a small supernova with the extra 6 watts....
[09:03:00] mchou: 95W: Pentium D 820: typical heat dissipation = 95 W
[09:03:00] mchou: TYPICAL
[09:03:00] mchou: 89 W for AMD: MAX
[09:04:00] mchou: you figure it out :)
[09:04:00] therealgalen: Yes, and it basically runs at full blast all the time. Whereas the AMD can vary performance....
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[09:07:00] therealgalen: i'm reading a benchmark showing the pentium D 820 topping out at 130 W maximum. Versus 89 W for the 3500... doesn't seem that huge for an entire additional core
[09:08:00] mchou: haha.
[09:08:00] therealgalen: You enjoy this too much...
[09:08:00] mchou: believe whatever you want. You are in deep rationalization mode right now.
[09:09:00] mchou: Nobody in their right mind would compare A64 thermal output to P4 thermal output as "roughly equivalent"
[09:09:00] therealgalen: I'm attempting to have you disprove me.
[09:10:00] mchou: That frankly is not my job.
[09:11:00] mchou: go to work, find a P4 machine, and find a64 macune, run equal workloads, and measure thermal output.
[09:11:00] mchou: machine*
[09:11:00] mchou: there aint no damn way they are even in the same ball park.
[09:12:00] mchou: like I said, you're all over the map.
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[09:12:00] therealgalen: Would you mean something like this? http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentiumd-820_3.html
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[09:14:00] mchou: yeah, those charts look more reasonable.
[09:14:00] mchou: and that's W/O the coolnQuiet feature.
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[09:17:00] therealgalen: So what is the issue with having a small space heater inside your machine? :) On a practical basis, where I am, electricity is cheap, and I have to heat the place most of the time anyhow... so the majority of the heat is not exactly wasted. I suppose you end up with a good sized fan, but how huge an issue is that really? Particularly when we're talking about a CPU that offers so much performance for your dollar?
[09:17:00] mchou: lol
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[09:17:00] mchou: you ever wonder why it's SUPPOSED to be quiet in movie theatre?
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[09:18:00] mchou: like why they have curtains and whatnot all over the place?
[09:18:00] therealgalen: Space heater is a feature, not a bug :)
[09:19:00] mchou: I wasnt tlaking about heat, I was talking about NOISE.
[09:19:00] mchou: talking*
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[09:22:00] therealgalen: It's quite possible to stash the machine in a setup where it's silenced, I have a rather large cabinet/cupboard area (it's like a small cave) I would simply close when watching TV...
[09:22:00] mchou: heh, then you have ventilation issues.
[09:22:00] mchou: lol]
[09:23:00] therealgalen: Yeah, but it's quite large, and this would be for at most a few hours.
[09:23:00] mchou: it just makes zero sense no matter how you slice and dice it.
[09:23:00] therealgalen: Besides, with multiple drives, the machine isn't exactly silent....
[09:23:00] mchou: (You are in deep rationalization mode right now.)
[09:24:00] therealgalen: (You are not a very good psychologist. Or not very good at debate. Possibly both.)
[09:24:00] mchou: my P2 450 has 8 drives and you wont know it's on if you were right next to it.
[09:25:00] mchou: my gf has pressed the power button thinking it was off.
[09:25:00] therealgalen: What drives are you running? Are the spinning down?
[09:25:00] mchou: WD and seagates in there.
[09:25:00] mchou: no spin down.
[09:26:00] therealgalen: 7200 RPM?
[09:26:00] mchou: yup.
[09:26:00] therealgalen: Nice little drives then. Or an excellent case.
[09:26:00] mchou: and it's read erite all the time.
[09:26:00] mchou: write*
[09:27:00] mchou: which in theory will be louder than idle drives due to seeks.
[09:27:00] therealgalen: Yeah, but not usually.
[09:27:00] therealgalen: Or not by much.
[09:27:00] mchou: sure usually
[09:27:00] mchou: on maxtors seeks sound like pinball machines.
[09:28:00] therealgalen: lol
[09:28:00] mchou: I can hear it when I'm 10 ft away.
[09:28:00] mchou: I'm a (classical) musician, got sensitive ears.
[09:28:00] therealgalen: i have an old maxtor i inherited that lived in an external case until it's recent death...
[09:28:00] therealgalen: there's a reason i only plugged it in from time to time
[09:29:00] therealgalen: So how quiet can you get an AMD 3400+?
[09:29:00] mchou: the case is a generic dell case.
[09:29:00] therealgalen: the CPU specifically
[09:30:00] mchou: uh, passive cooling is possible on 3400.
[09:30:00] therealgalen: Hm really....
[09:30:00] mchou: try tha on a P4 :)
[09:30:00] mchou: that*
[09:30:00] therealgalen: lol i am seeing your point now
[09:30:00] therealgalen: i'm require a good bit of evidence...
[09:31:00] mchou: screw the evidence. The only evidence yo need is machines side by side like I suggested earlier.
[09:31:00] mchou: you*
[09:31:00] mchou: similar workloads and thermal output.
[09:32:00] mchou: all this 2nd hand shit, how do you know who is telling "truth?"
[09:32:00] therealgalen: There's a nice selection of 754 pin 3400+ for ~$160–165, whereas the 939 pin 3500+ (the closest 939 pin model) are about $60 more
[09:33:00] therealgalen: Thanks to the magic of Google, I can check most to all of what you're saying....
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[09:33:00] mchou: lol.
[09:33:00] mchou: if you trust the internet you are a fool indeed.
[09:34:00] therealgalen: OK, what are you supposed to trust? Can I personally test every piece of hardware before I buy it?
[09:34:00] therealgalen: And obviously, you need to have multiple sources agreeing online....
[09:34:00] mchou: well, that's what work is for :)
[09:35:00] mchou: so you get to play with toys w/o spending money :)
[09:35:00] mchou: and get paid for it at the same time :)
[09:36:00] therealgalen: Only some people have that luxury....
[09:36:00] mchou: well, dont hate me cause I'm beautiful :)
[09:36:00] mchou: hehe
[09:39:00] therealgalen: Any clue how loud the fx5700 is?
[09:39:00] mchou: lol
[09:40:00] mchou: you really whacko now.
[09:40:00] mchou: I bought it.
[09:40:00] therealgalen: OK, so first you tell me I'm whacko for rationalizing. Then as I seriously consider your point of view, you conclude I'm really whacko?
[09:40:00] mchou: the one I linked to.
[09:41:00] therealgalen: Yes, its up on my screen now
[09:41:00] mchou: whacko was for another channel, sorry.
[09:41:00] therealgalen: I don't know if that makes me feel better or not....
[09:42:00] mchou: fx5700 has a mall fan on it which is by no means "quiet."
[09:42:00] mchou: small*
[09:42:00] therealgalen: the small whiney type?
[09:43:00] mchou: you can get fx5200 w/o fan at all though.
[09:43:00] mchou: it's not whiney, but you can hear it.
[09:43:00] mchou: no sound meter, otherwise I'd measure it for ya.
[09:44:00] mchou: it's the loudest component on my box.
[09:44:00] therealgalen: Hmmm wonder if you could stick a quieter fan on there?
[09:44:00] mchou: But video cards are always the loudest component on my box.
[09:44:00] therealgalen: just a ponderance
[09:45:00] mchou: yeah, you could.
[09:45:00] therealgalen: I see a few quiet video card coolers, and a lot of various quiet/silent CPU coolers
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[09:45:00] mchou: the fan is not stuck on.
[09:45:00] mchou: which is nice
[09:47:00] mchou: you can probably buy the arctic cooling vga silencer if you are so inclined..
[09:47:00] therealgalen: Have you tested HDTV with the fx5700? Anything interesting to report?
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[09:48:00] mchou: it seems to work OK. Xvmc is still flakey with myth (OSD issues)
[09:48:00] mchou: so if you can, dont use xvmc if you have enough horsepower.
[09:48:00] therealgalen: Yes, I recall those issues.
[09:49:00] mchou: http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/avc-nv3.html
[09:49:00] therealgalen: Without XvMC, does it still offload YUV color conversion to the GPU?
[09:50:00] mchou: I'm not so sure that fan would be much quieter :)
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[09:51:00] therealgalen: Zalman also makes a number of video card coolers
[09:52:00] therealgalen: http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/zm80d-hp.html?id=jqNcGUkX
[09:53:00] therealgalen: completely passive
[09:54:00] therealgalen: They say the 5700 can be passive, but the 5700 ultra needs quiet but fan-equipped solution
[09:55:00] mchou: lol
[09:55:00] mchou: there is no way I'd go passive on fx5700
[09:55:00] mchou: that's the hottest component in my box.
[09:55:00] mchou: even more so than CPU
[09:56:00] therealgalen: well, from the way you talk about your athlon 64 running so cold, i would expect it could actually cool your box.... ;)
[09:57:00] therealgalen: Did you look at that passive heatsink? It's pretty hefty, covers both sides of the card...
[09:57:00] mchou: that's not out of the question
[09:57:00] mchou: yeah, I looked at it.
[09:57:00] mchou: ridiculous
[09:57:00] mchou: I'd be afraid to crack the video core.
[09:57:00] therealgalen: what, that it would work or just how large it is?
[09:57:00] Krazylegz: P5 233mhz runs pretty cool...
[09:58:00] mchou: heh, no doubt.
[09:58:00] ** Krazylegz has to give mchou a hard time **
[09:59:00] therealgalen: well, still, there are quieter solutions available for the 5700, that's for sure
[09:59:00] mchou: the fx5700 fan actually doesnt bother me at this time.
[10:00:00] mchou: I'm sure with age that will change.
[10:00:00] mchou: but it's a nifty card. DVI, component, svideo, and composite out.
[10:01:00] therealgalen: fans do change their sound over time
[10:01:00] therealgalen: yeah, it looks like a really nice card. i was looking for one way back when we were discussing it, but couldn't find any at the time.
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[10:01:00] BMOC: i had a q
[10:01:00] BMOC: how do i do the cutlist?
[10:01:00] BMOC: for a particular recording?
[10:01:00] mchou: m and e keys
[10:02:00] BMOC: mchou: have you used nuvexport?
[10:02:00] mchou: mand right left arrows too :)
[10:02:00] mchou: BMOC: nope.
[10:02:00] BMOC: mchou: i think that just fowards and reverses
[10:02:00] mchou: no, m and e?
[10:02:00] BMOC: let me see
[10:02:00] mchou: hardly.
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[10:02:00] BMOC: you said rght and left arrows
[10:02:00] BMOC: too
[10:03:00] BMOC: m gives me a menu
[10:03:00] mchou: that's how you move around, fool.
[10:03:00] BMOC: yeah, i didn't ask that
[10:03:00] BMOC: but thanks for being a jerk
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[10:04:00] BMOC: anyone else familiar with cutlist and nuvexport?
[10:04:00] therealgalen: sorry not me
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[10:05:00] mchou: so sue me. e and z keys
[10:06:00] mchou: BMOC: no good deed goes unpunished?
[10:06:00] therealgalen: well, with all the laws on the book, i bet you could be sued.... at least in the US
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[10:06:00] mchou: BMOC: the fucking docs next time
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[10:07:00] BMOC: therealgalen: there are some people in mexico trying to sue a trailer manufacturer because some illegals were in one and suffocated
[10:07:00] BMOC: a semi trailer
[10:07:00] BMOC: insane
[10:07:00] therealgalen: so it's not just the US, dunno if that's a good thing or not...
[10:08:00] BMOC: i don't think people design semi trailers, especially refrigerated ones, to house people
[10:08:00] mchou: haha
[10:08:00] mchou: but that's crossing the boder in style.
[10:08:00] mchou: border*
[10:08:00] BMOC: mchou: e and z are for skipping after commercials
[10:08:00] therealgalen: mchou: how do you cool your CPU? which CPU do you have?
[10:08:00] mchou: lol
[10:08:00] BMOC: i use that a lot.
[10:09:00] mchou: what a fool
[10:09:00] BMOC: i need to make a custlist
[10:09:00] BMOC: cutlist
[10:09:00] BMOC: mchou: is it my fault you don't know what you are talking about?
[10:09:00] mchou: how the fuck you think a cutlist is made?
[10:09:00] BMOC: i use e and z constantly, to skip commercials
[10:09:00] BMOC: to the next
[10:09:00] mchou: lol
[10:09:00] BMOC: dude, e and z doesn't make the cutlist
[10:09:00] mchou: right
[10:09:00] mchou: you wanna bet?
[10:10:00] BMOC: that's interesting, since you can use the option to automatically skip commercials
[10:10:00] mchou: it's e then z
[10:10:00] BMOC: dude, that doesn't MAKE The cutlist
[10:10:00] mchou: what a fucking ass
[10:10:00] BMOC: mchou: ok, you obviously don't know what you are talking about, and all you are doing is insulting, so just give it a rest
[10:10:00] mchou: what do you think the commercial list is?
[10:10:00] BMOC: have you ever even made a dvd from a nuv?
[10:11:00] XAD|onoff: BMOC, so why do you "feed" him... ;-)
[10:11:00] BMOC: XAD|onoff: are you familiar with how to do it?
[10:12:00] XAD|onoff: no sorry, otherwise I would have responded... but as I don't know or have a clue, I stay silent... but that's me ;-)
[10:12:00] mchou: read keys.txt and you would understand.
[10:12:00] BMOC: this recording already knows when the commercials are
[10:12:00] mchou: right
[10:12:00] mchou: and how does it know where the commercial cut points are?
[10:13:00] BMOC: mchou: gee, i didn't make them
[10:13:00] mchou: fucking dumbass
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[10:13:00] BMOC: so anyways, nuvexport asks to use cutlist, and i was told earlier in here by xris and others, that's something that has to be done manually at this point
[10:13:00] mchou: lol
[10:14:00] mchou: and hence the arrow keys
[10:14:00] BMOC: mchou: since you've pretty much coming across as an obnoxious and insulting goober, i'll stick with xris on this one
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[10:14:00] mchou: right\, go find xris.
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[10:14:00] mchou: I'm sure he's happy to help
[10:14:00] BMOC: yay
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[10:16:00] BMOC: yeah, i'm looking at keys.txt right now
[10:16:00] mchou: right.
[10:16:00] BMOC: i hit e
[10:16:00] BMOC: and z
[10:16:00] mchou: you should have consulted that long ago.
[10:16:00] BMOC: and the commercial cutpoints appear at the bottom
[10:16:00] BMOC: and ...
[10:16:00] mchou: wow, didn't I just give you those very same instructions?
[10:16:00] BMOC: mchou: what did that do for me?
[10:16:00] mchou: fucking dumbass.
[10:16:00] BMOC: this didn't accomplish anything!
[10:17:00] BMOC: this still has nothing to do with what i am trying to do in nuvexport!
[10:17:00] laga: place nice now!
[10:17:00] mchou: read the channel topic.
[10:17:00] BMOC: sheesh
[10:17:00] laga: play*
[10:18:00] mchou: BMOC: I might come across as insulting, but you come across with no brain.
[10:19:00] mchou: considering that all this is DOCUMENTED.
[10:19:00] BMOC: and of course, still has nothing to do with what i am talking about
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[10:19:00] mchou: lol
[10:19:00] BMOC: but i guess that doesn't matter
[10:20:00] therealgalen: mchou: do you have any favorite AMD mobos?
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[10:20:00] mchou: it has eveything to do w/ what you're talking about, you're just too daft to sse the connection.
[10:20:00] mchou: therealgalen: nah. just look fo the mobo with the most "stuff" packed on it.
[10:20:00] mchou: see*
[10:21:00] mchou: for*
[10:21:00] therealgalen: mchou: how do you feel about overclocking the a64? is it even worth getting a mobo with lots of features in that department?
[10:21:00] mchou: I'd get mobo with a firewire chip on it for sure if you go PCI-e
[10:22:00] mchou: therealgalen: that depends on you
[10:22:00] therealgalen: Oh i know, but I'm asking what *you* think...
[10:22:00] therealgalen: i'm not going PCI-E, although i would appreciate firewire onboard
[10:23:00] mchou: I'm not all that big a fan of overclocking. Stability is more important than spped on my list.
[10:23:00] mchou: speed*
[10:24:00] mchou: but most nforce3 and nforce4 mobos have oc features.
[10:24:00] therealgalen: yeah i have noticed that
[10:24:00] mchou: it's part and parcel of the chipset.
[10:24:00] directhex|work: or you cou;d go for via k8t890, which works superbly with linux (unlike nf4) and overclocks better too
[10:24:00] therealgalen: the challenge seems to be sorting through the 100s of options
[10:25:00] therealgalen: the nforce4 has linux issues?
[10:25:00] mchou: no sense not to incude oc features if they have a reference bios with all that anyways :)
[10:25:00] directhex|work: yes, major ones
[10:25:00] therealgalen: such as?
[10:25:00] directhex|work: do you want sound or ethernet to work?
[10:25:00] mchou: lol
[10:25:00] therealgalen: lol
[10:26:00] mchou: I have nforce4, sound and eth work just fine.
[10:26:00] therealgalen: i just check the sound chipset for linux support
[10:26:00] mchou: I dont trust via.
[10:26:00] mchou: lot's of pci isuues
[10:26:00] directhex|work: there are an extremely limited number of older revision boards which "just work", most don't
[10:27:00] directhex|work: and my k8t890 has been flawless
[10:27:00] mchou: directhex|work: huh??
[10:27:00] mchou: most dont?
[10:27:00] BMOC: mchou is my hero
[10:27:00] directhex|work: it's known to be a better clocker than nf4, and is definitely better supoprted in both linux and windows. what you miss is that the southbridge is pretty unfeatured. e.g. no NCQ SATA
[10:27:00] mchou: you even know what you're talking about?
[10:28:00] directhex|work: given the content of the debian-amd64 mailing lists and irc channel, and experiences of friends and associates, i would not buy nf4 for use with linux
[10:28:00] mchou: bah.
[10:28:00] directhex|work: if you want to advise otherwise, go ahead
[10:29:00] mchou: it ever occurred to you debian has another agenda for dissing nforce?
[10:29:00] mchou: like "tainted"
[10:29:00] therealgalen: interesting viewpoint...
[10:29:00] mchou: ??
[10:29:00] mchou: sheesh.
[10:29:00] therealgalen: debian doesn't like nvidia due to the binary drivers or what?
[10:29:00] mchou: exactly.
[10:29:00] mchou: closed and "proprietary"
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[10:30:00] directhex|work: and unstable, from my own experiences
[10:30:00] BMOC: mchou: i appreciate your help, but i already had the cutpoints. nuvexport wants to know if it should use a "cutlist"
[10:30:00] mchou: no info for deb developers to write drivers and whatnot.
[10:30:00] BMOC: do i need to save the cutpoints or something to a file?
[10:30:00] BMOC: or something?
[10:30:00] therealgalen: Well, that is a reason not to buy nvidia in my book... not end of story, but if all else were equal, i would rather buy from an open vendor than a closed one
[10:30:00] mchou: BMOC: no, you dont need to save to file.
[10:31:00] BMOC: well, all the points are where i want
[10:31:00] mchou: use the fucking arrow keys
[10:31:00] directhex|work: debian developers don't write drivers. they use kernel drivers, or repackage closed-source drivers. i use the official debian nvidia-glx packages quite happily
[10:31:00] BMOC: ugh
[10:31:00] BMOC: dude, that's not what i am talking about
[10:31:00] BMOC: i have all the correct cutpoints
[10:32:00] mchou: so?
[10:32:00] mchou: nuv will automatically use those cutpoints
[10:32:00] BMOC: i'm trying to figure out what to do from there, cuz it didn't use them before
[10:32:00] mchou: nuvexport
[10:32:00] BMOC: and i said "use cutpoints? yes" or whatever
[10:33:00] mchou: directhex|work: nforce4 has been pretty stable in my experience.
[10:33:00] mchou: that has not been the case for via (in K7 days) when pci transactions have been numerous.
[10:34:00] mchou: maybe via cleaned up their act. But I have my doubts.
[10:34:00] directhex|work: that was a KT133 issue. any idea how bad nforce1 was at that?
[10:34:00] mchou: hah, nforce1 wasnt competitive.
[10:35:00] mchou: due to "performance" or lack thereof.
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[10:35:00] mchou: but nvidia cleaned up by nforce2.....
[10:35:00] directhex|work: nforce2 was an excellent chipset, no doubt about that, and none of via's offerings including kt600 could really compare
[10:36:00] directhex|work: but in terms of raw performance (and price), via's pcie chipsets are better than nforce4
[10:36:00] mchou: plus nforce1 was nvidia's "first" chipset.
[10:36:00] mchou: via had generations of buggy chipsets b4 that.
[10:37:00] XAD|onoff: BMOC, check this page "http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 725"... it might help you...
[10:37:00] mchou: crap, I'd recommend SIS over via on a K8/amd64
[10:38:00] BMOC: The commercial flag list is different than the cutlist. While watching
[10:38:00] BMOC: your recording, press the M key and you'll be put into the editor. From
[10:38:00] BMOC: there, Z will import your flagged commercials, which you should
[10:38:00] BMOC: double-check to make sure are all correct (they're never 100% accurate).
[10:38:00] XAD|onoff: commercial flag is not same as cutlist, but the "z" will load it to the cutlist....
[10:38:00] BMOC: so that's what it is
[10:38:00] directhex|work: mchou, then you're a retard, sorry to say
[10:38:00] BMOC: thanks XAD|onoff:)
[10:38:00] directhex|work: mchou, you're inventing problems, proclaiming probelsm from 2001 are there which aren't and going further off the deep end
[10:38:00] XAD|onoff: np... (do I need to offend you now?? ;-))
[10:39:00] mchou: directhex|work: huh??
[10:39:00] mchou: I'm inventing problems?
[10:39:00] BMOC: mchou: thanks for the advice on cutting
[10:39:00] BMOC: now i have to transcode again:O
[10:39:00] mchou: look at the kernel source for via "workarounds"
[10:39:00] BMOC: i hear my via chipset has problems
[10:39:00] BMOC: i don't know, but video playback has big issues
[10:39:00] directhex|work: which chipset is that?
[10:40:00] mchou: exactly.
[10:40:00] BMOC: mine?
[10:40:00] mchou: PCI transactions
[10:40:00] BMOC: mchou: can i do anything?
[10:40:00] mchou: BMOC: if you set your mind to it :)
[10:40:00] BMOC: i mean, as far as slowness with video
[10:40:00] BMOC: possibly due to chipset
[10:41:00] mchou: get a better mobo? :)
[10:41:00] directhex|work: this chipset you won't reveal the name of
[10:41:00] BMOC: other than that
[10:41:00] mchou: hehe
[10:41:00] BMOC: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266] Host Bridge
[10:41:00] BMOC: 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP]
[10:41:00] mchou: haha
[10:41:00] directhex|work: kt266? mchou is right, get a better mobo
[10:41:00] mchou: that's NOT KT133
[10:41:00] BMOC: it was too good of a deal at the time
[10:41:00] BMOC: came with a fp monitor
[10:42:00] mchou: which is the one with the supposedly buggy one.
[10:42:00] BMOC: can i do anything to avoid the bugginess, or whatever?
[10:42:00] BMOC: the main problem i have noticed is video playback
[10:42:00] BMOC: like, if i mutlitask, it goes nuts
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[10:42:00] mchou: BMOC: like what kind of problems?
[10:43:00] BMOC: if i am playing video, and i start moving an app around, or multitasking, it starts "chopping"
[10:43:00] BMOC: i'm not just talking with mythtv, either
[10:43:00] mchou: heh. It's supposed to do that :)
[10:43:00] BMOC: mchou: i can't even browse the web without losing some of the video i am watching in another window
[10:43:00] mchou: what kind of CPU and vid card is it?
[10:43:00] BMOC: it starts chopping just from browsing web
[10:43:00] H1ghlander: BMOC: is the PC paging badly? not enough mem
[10:43:00] BMOC: radeon 9600, athlon 2ghz
[10:44:00] BMOC: 512mb ddr
[10:44:00] H1ghlander: check hdd acivity tbh
[10:44:00] BMOC: dma is on
[10:44:00] mchou: that ought to be enough juice.
[10:44:00] mchou: maybe it's that POS radeon :)
[10:44:00] BMOC: i have no idea what it is, i can only assume it's the video card or via something
[10:44:00] mchou: buggy drivers :)
[10:44:00] H1ghlander: depends what is loaded up in memory tbh
[10:44:00] BMOC: mchou: i am not using ati's drivers
[10:45:00] H1ghlander: its more likely the WAY you run your system
[10:45:00] BMOC: but ati's drivers didn't help
[10:45:00] mchou: no doubt
[10:45:00] BMOC: h1?
[10:45:00] BMOC: H1ghlander: ?
[10:45:00] H1ghlander: yes?
[10:46:00] BMOC: H1ghlander: its more likely the WAY you run your system
[10:46:00] H1ghlander: When it is choppy check that there isnt excess HDD activity.. its the most common cause of choppyness imho
[10:46:00] H1ghlander: Yes the Way.... ie.. how much crap there is loaded up in memory
[10:46:00] mchou: bah, if he is paging he has other issues besides video :)
[10:47:00] BMOC: H1ghlander: even when it's like the only app running, if i move the video window, it goes nuts
[10:47:00] mchou: so I doubt if it's a paging issue
[10:47:00] H1ghlander: ok
[10:47:00] H1ghlander: BMOC: badly fragged page file doesnt need much to cause interferance
[10:47:00] H1ghlander: but what do I know.. i'm only a nub
[10:47:00] directhex|work: which video player? and which output is it using?
[10:48:00] directhex|work: xshm will suffer on a low-spec system when doing multiple things, it's all cpu-bound
[10:48:00] BMOC: mplayer, mythtv, anything
[10:48:00] BMOC: probably xv
[10:50:00] mchou: anyone, I stand by my earlier statement. I wouldnt trust via on important stuff.
[10:51:00] mchou: anyways*
[10:51:00] mchou: just too much crap.
[10:51:00] mchou: too much baggage.
[10:51:00] directhex|work: and i would recommend k8t890 time & time again to anyone buying a k8 system.
[10:51:00] mchou: you and no one else :)
[10:52:00] mchou: via cant even get it's firewire chip right.
[10:53:00] directhex|work: i've had experience with an array of different vendors' chipsets over the years, i've had absolutely zero problems with k8t890, which is more than i can say for the others (including nforce2)
[10:53:00] mchou: stupid thing needs to be patched in the kernel.
[10:53:00] directhex|work: which hard disks do you use?
[10:54:00] mchou: directhex|work: for what? (I dont use firewire drives)
[10:54:00] directhex|work: ide/sata drives.
[10:54:00] directhex|work: generally
[10:54:00] mchou: seagates generally.
[10:54:00] mchou: IDE ones cause they are cheap.
[10:54:00] directhex|work: you DO know how many seagate-specific patches there are in the kernel, right?
[10:55:00] mchou: lol. That's in conjunction with the sil controller.
[10:55:00] mchou: hardly representative of a "Seagate" issue.
[10:56:00] mchou: sil and seagate SATA dont play nice.
[10:57:00] mchou: so that's anotherthing I'd avoid :)
[10:57:00] mchou: sil controller wit segate sata drives.
[10:57:00] mchou: with*
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[11:10:00] tufkal: evening all
[11:10:00] therealgalen: or morning, depending on where you are :)
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[11:13:00] tufkal: indeed :)
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[11:38:00] XAD|onoff: yes...
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[14:31:00] MrSpiffy: morning all
[14:31:00] MrSpiffy: been a long night – got myth running on a mini-tx with unichrome drivers
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[14:32:00] MrSpiffy: used this: http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia/
[14:32:00] MrSpiffy: running on fecora core 3
[14:32:00] fweeee: Good morning.
[14:32:00] fweeee: Or evening.
[14:32:00] MrSpiffy: fedora core 3
[14:33:00] MrSpiffy: re fweeee
[14:33:00] MrSpiffy: overscan (x.org driver) puts mythtv off the screen but I think I can tweak that using the appearence settings in mythtv
[14:34:00] MrSpiffy: gui size and offset ought to do it – just have to play with the values
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[14:36:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Do you know anything about dvb tuners?
[14:37:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, sorry, no
[14:37:00] fweeee: I've kind of got mine working, but it will only work as root – not as a user. I'm not sure if thats the way it should be or not.
[14:37:00] fweeee: dang
[14:37:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, well if it works that's a good start
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[14:38:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, is the dvd tuner a box or a card?
[14:38:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Yeah, definatly a step in the right direction.
[14:38:00] fweeee: Its a card.
[14:38:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: When you run mythtvsetup, do you run it as root or as a user?
[14:38:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, here's a guess – check the perms on the /dev the card is using
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[14:38:00] fweeee: Cause when I run mine as a user, I cant see the card – but I can when logged in as root.
[14:39:00] fweeee: Well thats the thing – I'm using Fedora 4, which uses udev (I learned that recently), so the /dev/dvb is created dynamically, and I dont seem to have a great deal of control over its permissions.
[14:39:00] fweeee: Actually, it isnt that dynamic – I have to do a few specific modprobes as root to get the /dev/dvb thing to appear.
[14:40:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, understood – what are the perms when it is up?
[14:40:00] fweeee: Hang on.
[14:41:00] fweeee: Damn – I'm in the /dev/dvb directory/node, how do I get permissions again?
[14:41:00] MrSpiffy: ls -l /dev/balhblah
[14:42:00] fweeee: drwxr-xr-x
[14:42:00] fweeee: That is for /dev/dvb
[14:42:00] fweeee: I mean, /dev/dvb/adaptor0
[14:42:00] MrSpiffy: and that's after doing the modprobes as root ?
[14:42:00] fweeee: Yeah.
[14:42:00] MrSpiffy: ok
[14:42:00] MrSpiffy: here's a guess
[14:43:00] MrSpiffy: first instead of doing the modprobes as root after login, put them in the rc.local script under /etc/rc.d/
[14:43:00] MrSpiffy: at least the modules will be loaded at boot
[14:43:00] fweeee: Ahhh – ok.
[14:43:00] MrSpiffy: it's a cluge but they will load
[14:43:00] MrSpiffy: then check the perms on /dev/dvd/blahblah
[14:44:00] fweeee: ok. So put that in /etc/rc.d, and reboot?
[14:44:00] MrSpiffy: /etc/rc.d/rc.local then reboot
[14:44:00] MrSpiffy: rc.local is the last script that runs at boot
[14:45:00] MrSpiffy: it is usefule for things you want to do that are not handled in scripts for run levels 3 and/or 5
[14:46:00] fweeee: rebooting...
[14:46:00] fweeee: Ahhh, ok.
[14:46:00] directhex|work: i think there's a poorly documented line specifically for modules to load on boot
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[14:47:00] directhex|work: was something like line 150 of /etc/inittab on FC3
[14:47:00] fweeee: I tell you what, it was a beautiful sight to see TV on my linux box, after all this time...
[14:47:00] fweeee: directhex|work: Oh?
[14:48:00] directhex|work: debian uses /etc/modules as a list of extra things to modprobe on boot, which is a little more user-friendly
[14:48:00] fweeee: ok. dvb is now there (without any more modprobing)
[14:49:00] fweeee: And the permission looks very similar: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Aug 4 22:47 adapter0
[14:49:00] fweeee: directhex|work: Well, linux has modprobe.conf, which I thought was something similar, only everything I had a hell of a time working it out...
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[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: modprobe.conf is just a config file for modprobe. Tells it extra commandparameters to pass when loading a module, and other modules to load with it, etc
[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: but something still needs to issue the modprobe command
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: most distros have a modules script/list of stuff to load at boot though
[14:52:00] fweeee: ahh ok.
[14:52:00] GreyFoxx: Slackware has /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for instance. they all have something
[14:53:00] fweeee: Hmmmm. Those permissions look ok to me – normal users dont have write permission for the /adaptor0 node – but should it need it?
[14:53:00] MrSpiffy: sll true fweeee, modprobing in rc.local will at least tell you whats up as the devices will be set up before login
[14:53:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, maybe – here's another cluge I've seen out there
[14:54:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, after the modprobe statement use chmod 666 on /dev/blah blah blah
[14:54:00] GreyFoxx: fweee, I make my capture cards all a+rwx so I'd have to experiment to find out the minimum requirements :)
[14:54:00] MrSpiffy: that will give read/write perms for everybody
[14:54:00] fweeee: ok then.
[14:54:00] MrSpiffy: or use chmod 777 to test :)
[14:55:00] MrSpiffy: then tweak it down from there
[14:57:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: So excecute permissions are not important?
[14:57:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, read and write should be fine
[14:58:00] directhex|work: remind me in a few hours, i'll check the permissions on my dvb stuff
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[15:00:00] defaultro: morning guys
[15:00:00] defaultro: is there any website that will allow me to join this channel?
[15:01:00] defaultro: irc is not allowed in our ofc
[15:01:00] Agrajag-: can an nvidia gf fx5200 do output to both monitor and tv at the same time? should right?
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: Nope
[15:01:00] defaultro: ok
[15:01:00] Agrajag-: yeah defaultro google cgi irc
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: No web->IRC gateway I've seen for this network
[15:01:00] Agrajag-: there's heaps..
[15:01:00] defaultro: so cgi
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: but you might be able to setup your own
[15:01:00] defaultro: ok
[15:01:00] directhex|work: Agrajag-, yes by default it should do it
[15:01:00] Agrajag-: hmm it doesn't
[15:01:00] Agrajag-: (in X)
[15:01:00] directhex|work: Agrajag-, i've never actually configured tv out on my 5200, just plugged it in
[15:02:00] Agrajag-: nothing special in your x config?
[15:02:00] directhex|work: nope, nothing at all
[15:03:00] Agrajag-: mine seems to only go to TV if i put Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
[15:03:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Hmmmm. Nope – no go. I have changed all the permissions (from /dev/dvb to /dev/dvb/adaptor0/dvr0) – still root can do stuff, the user cant.
[15:03:00] defaultro: I can build my own :) http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.ircg.php
[15:03:00] Agrajag-: defaultro: it took me about 2 seconds to find a cgi irc on google which could connect to any network
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[15:04:00] defaultro: :)
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: I would imagine there are several on freshmeat.net
[15:04:00] MrSpiffy: hmm
[15:04:00] Agrajag-: no.. ones that are alread set up ready for you to use..
[15:05:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, sorry – out of idead
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: Agrajag-: Ahhh.
[15:05:00] ** GreyFoxx shudders at the thought **
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: but I can see how handy it would be
[15:05:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Thanks for your help though – that modprobe thing will save me a bit of hassle.
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[15:06:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: I just want to confirm one thing – when you run mythtvsetup – you run it as a normal user, not as root, right?
[15:06:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, cool – perhaps the perms on the programs you are running ?
[15:06:00] GreyFoxx: Most of the Webbased irc apps I've seen were actually just web/java based irc clients and still connected to the normal irc ports and server from the clients PC, instead of the CGI proxying the connection whcih is what I assumed he wanted
[15:06:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, don;t know – I've always done so as root
[15:07:00] MrSpiffy: setup will set up 1 file
[15:07:00] MrSpiffy: in /.mythtv
[15:07:00] MrSpiffy: to connect to the mysql databse
[15:07:00] MrSpiffy: the rest of the settings are in the db mythconverge in the settings table
[15:07:00] MrSpiffy: on a per host basis
[15:08:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Oh – so It is all fine to run mythtvsetup as root? Cause root can use the tuner card.
[15:10:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, I think so but not sure – never done it as another user
[15:10:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, something to try though :)
[15:11:00] fweeee: I think I might sacrafice a little sleep to try to get this going :)
[15:11:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, is this a backend ?
[15:11:00] fweeee: Its going to be both.
[15:11:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, mythbacked will run from script is level 3 or 5
[15:11:00] MrSpiffy: chkconfig --level 35 mythbackend on
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[15:12:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: Oh – and where should I put that?
[15:12:00] fweeee: Along side my modprobe statements?
[15:12:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, that should also load the modules as mythbackend will want to light up the dvd device
[15:12:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, if modprobe.conf is set up
[15:13:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, that's a command.
[15:13:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, so type that command as root to fire up mythbackend at boot
[15:13:00] fweeee: So, the "chkconfig --level 35 mythbackend on" goes in modprobe.conf?
[15:13:00] MrSpiffy: fwee, no
[15:13:00] fweeee: Ahhh, a command – how does one automatte this command to happen on boot up?
[15:13:00] GreyFoxx: It's a onetime command
[15:13:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, don;t have to enter it again
[15:14:00] fweeee: Ahhhh, ok then.
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[15:14:00] fweeee: It will run like a windows service, and fire up every time you boot up?
[15:14:00] MrSpiffy: fwee chkconfig just "turns on" the already written script for mythbackend at run level 3 and 5
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[15:14:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, *shudder* yeah
[15:14:00] MrSpiffy: he said the "w" word
[15:15:00] sphing: MrSpiffy: hehe..
[15:15:00] sphing: how can i delete all recordings of a specific show
[15:15:00] fweeee: Whoops – dirty word I know, but its all I know atm.
[15:16:00] MrSpiffy: fweeee, it's ok – admitting the problem is the first step towards recovery
[15:16:00] fweeee: :)
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[15:17:00] sphing: anyone good at lirc... specifically on the xbox?
[15:17:00] MrSpiffy: .me makes a dump of the mythfrontend he's been working on for a week
[15:17:00] ** MrSpiffy makes a dump of the mythfrontend he's been working on for a week **
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[15:18:00] defaultro: bam, that's me
[15:19:00] defaultro: GreyFox, I've setup PHP Pear Net Smart IRC
[15:19:00] GreyFoxx: And it is a IRC proxy right? Not just a webbased "client" ?
[15:20:00] defaultro: web based client
[15:20:00] defaultro: it's on my web server
[15:20:00] defaultro: http://pear.php.net/package/Net_SmartIRC/download
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: I'm aware of that
[15:20:00] defaultro: i just extracted it
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: I was just trying to find out if it was just a java "client" or whether ot not the CGI actually made the connection to the IRC server
[15:21:00] defaultro: ok
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: back when I looked at them for a friend of mine who was behind a firewall all of the stuff I found was just a java client and her PC still did the connection to the irc server and it was just using the webinterface
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: but if that stuff handles the connection for you then that's nifty
[15:21:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: its actually the server
[15:21:00] defaultro: it's quick too. Once I switch to the php script, what i last type is there, like this one
[15:21:00] sphing: PHP has full socket capabilities
[15:21:00] defaultro: ;)
[15:21:00] defaultro: Glad I enabled socket during configuration
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: I know that, just saying that all of the stuff I looked at previously was still "running" on the end users pc. If the php one handles the entire connection that's good
[15:22:00] defaultro: but for the other function i showed earlier, ircg, that will not work for me until i recompile php with ircg support
[15:22:00] defaultro: but am very glad with this package :D
[15:22:00] sphing: ah.. i wrote an IRC api for php a while back.. if you want it
[15:23:00] sphing: be back
[15:23:00] defaultro: and now, our security guys won't notice since i will be tunneling this over to SSL :D
[15:23:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Can you ssh out of your office ?
[15:23:00] defaultro: nope :(
[15:23:00] GreyFoxx: Only web ports?
[15:24:00] defaultro: i would like to try firepass but i might get fired
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: Directly connect or through a inhouse proxy ?
[15:24:00] defaultro: proxy
[15:24:00] defaultro: am in a bank
[15:24:00] defaultro: it's very strict
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: gotcha, so it needs to be true html then
[15:24:00] defaultro: yep
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: understandable
[15:24:00] defaultro: im really happy with php coz i wrote a simple app that will allow me to visit blocked sites, lol
[15:24:00] defaultro: glad i have server
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[15:24:00] defaultro: :D
[15:25:00] defaultro: i will write an irc gateway php tonight using this package
[15:25:00] defaultro: right now, it's just listening
[15:26:00] defaultro: This is the sample message
[15:26:00] defaultro: Aug 04 08:25:28 SmartIRC.php(1656) DEBUG_MESSAGEPARSER: ircdata nick: "defaultro" ident: "~def" host: "64-135-220–60.FoxValley.net" type: "2" from: "defaultro!~def@64-135-220–60.FoxValley.net" channel: "#MythTV-Users" message: "right now, it's just listening"
[15:26:00] MrSpiffy: anybody able to give me a brief tutorial on using xv control? everything is WAY too bright
[15:26:00] defaultro: Aight greyfoxx, i need to prepare for office
[15:26:00] defaultro: i'll catch you later
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[15:29:00] Equis: I think I made my first successful recording late last night, but what can I do with the .nuv files and how can I turn them into mpg or avi for sharing on my home LAN?
[15:31:00] MrSpiffy: Equis, use beirdo's nuvexport
[15:32:00] MrSpiffy: Equis, it's a set of text menu driven perl scripts that do that
[15:32:00] MrSpiffy: Equis, is will take a long time ;)
[15:32:00] Equis: Heh, Ok.
[15:33:00] MrSpiffy: http://forevermore.net/mythtv/
[15:33:00] Equis: ty
[15:33:00] MrSpiffy: welcome
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[15:33:00] Equis: Where are all the .conf files, too?
[15:33:00] MrSpiffy: enjoy the hours of fiddling with it
[15:33:00] GeckoFiend: Equis if you used a hardware encoder, DVB card or HDTV card they're already MPEG2 files
[15:34:00] Equis: I only have a Pentium 2, 300 MHz and need to do a lot of tweaking.  :-)
[15:34:00] MrSpiffy: Equis, you are a crazy peron
[15:34:00] MrSpiffy: person
[15:34:00] Equis: The card worked great and captured video when I had Win2k on it. ;-)
[15:34:00] ** MrSpiffy shudders **
[15:35:00] MrSpiffy: he used the "w" word
[15:35:00] MrSpiffy: that's twice in one morning
[15:35:00] ** MrSpiffy looks for his pills **
[15:35:00] Equis: It's all Ubuntu nowadays. :-)
[15:35:00] ** Equis reformed **
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[15:35:00] MrSpiffy: interesting that once people start playing with linux they get hooked
[15:36:00] Equis: I have no hope of watching (and buffering) live TV. I just wanna record shows to watch on my laptop later.
[15:36:00] MrSpiffy: bbl
[15:39:00] XAD|onoff: Gecko, have you compiled DVD's (on windows) from files created by PVR500 (should be same as 250 and 350)??
[15:39:00] fweeee: MrSpiffy: I'm not hooked – I just hate admitting defeat.
[15:39:00] XAD|onoff: recorded by MythTV (of course)....
[15:42:00] sphing: fweeee: we'll that that too
[15:42:00] sphing: *take
[15:51:00] MrSpiffy: that means you're hooker ;)
[15:52:00] MrSpiffy: hooket that is
[15:55:00] fweeee: This is exciting – everything has just started working!
[15:55:00] fweeee: But its midnight here – part of me wants to sleep, part of me wants to push forward till this is done!
[15:55:00] sphing: anyone tell me why my lirc isnt getting my remote?
[15:56:00] sphing: or how to delete a group of shows?
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[16:03:00] GeckoFiend: XAD|onoff I use PVR250s but yes
[16:06:00] fweeee: Hmmmmm. mythfilldatabase wont work now.
[16:07:00] fweeee: Says it cant connect to the backend server... It wasnt going at first, but now I've started it.
[16:07:00] fweeee: I run that (mythfilldatabase) as root, right?
[16:08:00] sphing: fweeee: any user is fine
[16:08:00] MrSpiffy: question – while fiddling with my setup everything turned to amother language – how do I set it back to english?
[16:08:00] cochi: learn the language and then read+switch ;)
[16:08:00] MrSpiffy: heh
[16:09:00] MrSpiffy: I can move around the menu ok
[16:09:00] MrSpiffy: just can't find the language setting
[16:10:00] MrSpiffy: found it
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[16:11:00] MrSpiffy: it was in itlaian
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[16:28:00] XAD|onoff: Gecko, do you know why I can run the files fine in my PC-DVD-players, cutting programs, Premier, but not in Encore or Ulead's?? I get errors such as file corrupt or not an mpeg2 file....
[16:29:00] fweeee: w00t! Its working!!!
[16:29:00] fweeee: I dont have sound yet.
[16:29:00] fweeee: And the remote doesnt work.
[16:29:00] fweeee: And I havnt hooked it up to a tv...
[16:29:00] fweeee: BUT ITS WORKING!
[16:30:00] ** Beirdo cuts a hole in the top of his starbucks cup to let the coffee flow properly **
[16:30:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[16:30:00] fweeee: And the tv guide doesnt work either :(
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[16:32:00] mchou: man this cool and quiet from AMD is fantastic.
[16:33:00] mchou: it's around 33 degrees C at idle.
[16:33:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:33:00] Beirdo: told ya
[16:41:00] Beirdo: http://pics.beirdo.ca/Tennessee/scan0210
[16:41:00] Beirdo: lousy windshield was dirty!
[16:42:00] Beirdo: sunrise in north Tennessee... from the passenger seat of a big rig... on the way to Kentucky
[16:42:00] Beirdo: finally finished that film
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[16:43:00] Beirdo: oh no, an Austrian! :)
[16:46:00] Beirdo: 77F, 83% humidity.. at 10:30am
[16:46:00] Beirdo: hmph
[16:46:00] Beirdo: we's getting a thunderstorm today, I bet
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[16:47:00] jvs_: lol
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[16:47:00] Beirdo: how's it goin', jvs_?
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[16:47:00] jvs_: shall I leave, Beirdo? :P
[16:47:00] Beirdo: no no
[16:47:00] ** Equis can't figure out what method to use for his capture card **
[16:47:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:47:00] Beirdo: I'm being silly
[16:47:00] jvs_: fine, just came from work
[16:47:00] jvs_: need to fix tv_grab now
[16:47:00] Beirdo: I have fond memories of Austria
[16:47:00] jvs_: how come?
[16:47:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:48:00] Beirdo: I was on business there for 5 weeks in 2001
[16:48:00] Beirdo: Vienna, primarily
[16:48:00] jvs_: Vienna is a great city
[16:48:00] Beirdo: nice place to visit, glad I don't have to pay your gasoline prices
[16:48:00] jvs_: underestimated, in my opinion
[16:48:00] Beirdo: Vienna's a great place
[16:49:00] jvs_: I'm glad we don't have your cars :D
[16:49:00] Beirdo: and enough English speakers for us non-German-speakers to get by quite nicely too
[16:49:00] jvs_: yeah
[16:49:00] Beirdo: Salzburg was a nice side-trip
[16:49:00] jvs_: its great for sightseeing, museums and stuff
[16:49:00] jvs_: also great for going out, old and young
[16:50:00] Beirdo: Budapest also was a nice side-trip.... although fewer English speakers... And I know *no* Magyar
[16:50:00] fweeee: Thank you one and all for your help – but I must sleep now
[16:50:00] jvs_: hmm, we even have a radio station that broadcasts in english language 12 hours a day
[16:50:00] Beirdo: where are ya?
[16:50:00] jvs_: linz
[16:50:00] Beirdo: cool
[16:50:00] Beirdo: never made it there
[16:50:00] jvs_: steel city :P
[16:51:00] jvs_: VOEST ALPINE is here
[16:51:00] Beirdo: Innsbruck was on the list if we went again... would be a good weekend
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[16:51:00] Beirdo: but no such luck
[16:51:00] jvs_: building the best steel you can get on this planet
[16:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:51:00] Beirdo: I'm sure some Germans would take offense to that
[16:52:00] jvs_: do you know the ARS ELECTRONICA?
[16:52:00] jvs_: it is a fact
[16:52:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:52:00] Beirdo: fact or not... :) you think the big-brother country likes to hear it? :)
[16:52:00] Beirdo: heh
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[16:52:00] Beirdo: it's like Canadians telling the US that we grow more and better wheat than they do
[16:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:53:00] Beirdo: or that we have more oil than the US :)
[16:53:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:53:00] ** Beirdo is a bastard **
[16:53:00] jvs_: germany is not our bigger brother
[16:53:00] Beirdo: ummm. 10 times the population
[16:53:00] Beirdo: maybe bigger cousin then :)
[16:53:00] jvs_: bigger, but not brother
[16:54:00] jvs_: we do not depend on them
[16:54:00] Beirdo: true, but you are related :)
[16:54:00] jvs_: we are not building such nice cars...:/
[16:54:00] Beirdo: awww
[16:54:00] Beirdo: yeah, well
[16:54:00] jvs_: but Ferdinand Porsche is an Austrian :)
[16:55:00] Beirdo: you have better downhill skiiers :)
[16:55:00] Beirdo: (so was Hitler, but we'll forget about that detail)
[16:56:00] Beirdo: we coulda gone to see where he grew up, but we decided to stay *in* Salzburg instead
[16:56:00] jvs_: I'm not responsible for what happend 60 years ago
[16:56:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:56:00] Beirdo: how true that is
[16:56:00] jvs_: I'm responsible avoiding it
[16:56:00] Beirdo: such madness it all was too
[16:56:00] jvs_: explaining it
[16:56:00] jvs_: for
[16:57:00] Beirdo: I miss Schnitzelhaus
[16:57:00] jvs_: rofl
[16:58:00] H1ghlander: O_o
[16:58:00] jvs_: you can cook your own schnitzl
[16:58:00] jvs_: hey H1ghlander
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[16:58:00] Beirdo: I could, but I so miss the convenience
[16:58:00] H1ghlander: hey ya
[16:59:00] H1ghlander: =]
[16:59:00] jvs_: I ever wanted to visit Montreal
[16:59:00] Beirdo: :)
[17:00:00] ** H1ghlander wants to visit lake Titikaka **
[17:00:00] Beirdo: if you come to Toronto, let me know
[17:00:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:00:00] jvs_: ever = always
[17:00:00] jvs_: then we will cook some nice Schnitzels
[17:00:00] Beirdo: mmm, schnitzel.
[17:00:00] Beirdo: tis so good
[17:00:00] H1ghlander: I'm going to Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee in 4 weeks \o/ w00t
[17:01:00] Beirdo: and currywurst from the street vendor at Christmas time was good too
[17:01:00] H1ghlander: :o
[17:01:00] jvs_: nice H1ghlander
[17:01:00] Beirdo: Vienna just around Christmas... great place to be
[17:01:00] Beirdo: punsch++
[17:01:00] jvs_: lol
[17:01:00] ** jvs_ imagines a drunk Beirdo crying for Schnitzel **
[17:01:00] Beirdo: jaegertee I never got quite used to
[17:01:00] H1ghlander: ROFL
[17:02:00] Beirdo: but gluhwein... that's great stuff
[17:02:00] ** H1ghlander takes another sip of Hoegarten... **
[17:02:00] Beirdo: I know I'm missing accents, this laptop blows
[17:02:00] H1ghlander: lol
[17:02:00] GreyFoxx: My god suits can talk and talk and talk yet not really say anything
[17:02:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: yeah, how true
[17:02:00] H1ghlander: tru dat
[17:03:00] GreyFoxx: I've been listening ot various exec's spout off on this call for almost 40 minutes and they said almost nothing but buzzwords and "good job" so far *sigh*
[17:03:00] jvs_: Ill fix xmltv
[17:03:00] jvs_: brb
[17:03:00] H1ghlander: \o
[17:04:00] Beirdo: "with all due respect, could you shut up before I fall asleep?"
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: I just hate wasting my time with this crap
[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: I've got pr0n to surf
[17:06:00] XAD|onoff: hey Grey, my nuv files from PVR500 works fine to play in Windows DVD player and use in Premier but I can't use the files in Encore or Ulead's DVD-creator programs... do you why or/and how to fix?? Do I have to go through all that work and remux them??
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[17:08:00] Beirdo: so use Premiere
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: XAD|onoff: I don't use any of those, no idea :)
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: It's also exceptionally rare for me to burn my recordings :)
[17:09:00] XAD|onoff: What do you use?? (Premier is not for DVD-creating but video editing)
[17:09:00] Beirdo: I use TMPGEnc DVD Author
[17:09:00] Beirdo: and remuxing really isn't much work
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: XAD|onoff: avidemux to clip commericials, and tmpgenc or nero to burn.
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: but honestly I've burned maybe 2 video dvd's in the last year, It's just not something I have interest in
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: I just buy more disk space :)
[17:11:00] XAD|onoff: I tried the avidemux, can you use the "muxed" output or do you need the two different streams??
[17:11:00] Beirdo: experiment
[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: I just do a single output as a DVD something or other mpeg2 stream
[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: then use that in the dvd authoring app
[17:11:00] XAD|onoff: OK... thanks.. will try...
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[17:21:00] jvs_: well, edited the ebuild
[17:21:00] jvs_: let's see if works
[17:22:00] jvs_: *it
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[17:23:00] jvs: weee
[17:23:00] jvs: its working again
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[18:03:00] Mrgoose: whats up
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[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: hey folks
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: when I use Xv evrything is BLUE
[18:14:00] MrSpiffy: how do I set the Xv levels ?
[18:15:00] MrSpiffy: is this a myth tv hue setting?
[18:16:00] xris: myth's hue is for incoming, so if you want to watch it anywhere else, I'd shy away from that.
[18:16:00] MrSpiffy: ok
[18:16:00] MrSpiffy: display using xv is blue though
[18:17:00] MrSpiffy: problem I have is the brightness and saturation is pegged without it
[18:17:00] MrSpiffy: this is a frontend only btw
[18:18:00] fatmatt: I've got something somewhere that changed my blue to black?
[18:19:00] fatmatt: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048
[18:19:00] MrSpiffy: I don't seem to have that command
[18:20:00] ** jvs is away: essen...back um 8 **
[18:21:00] MrSpiffy: aha
[18:21:00] MrSpiffy: it's another program – found it on freshmeat
[18:22:00] MrSpiffy: is there a good/better util for setting Xv levels?
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[18:27:00] xris: in the xorg.conf file, I would expect
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[18:30:00] fatmatt: MrSpiffy: I put that line in the conf file, something like "+I exec xvattr..."
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[18:37:00] MrSpiffy: I ran it from command, fired up mythtv – everything is still bright and blue
[18:39:00] MrSpiffy: arg
[18:39:00] fatmatt: everything?
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[18:55:00] MrSpiffy: fat playback is blue
[18:55:00] MrSpiffy: fatmatt, playback is blue as hell
[18:58:00] Baylink: MrSpiffy, do you mean just solid blue with no video?
[19:01:00] MrSpiffy: sorry – meant blue picture
[19:01:00] MrSpiffy: I found it
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: the "HUE" setting default was 0
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: that's ZERO
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: hit "f" toggles to hue and set it to 50%
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: sheesh
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: been tweaking this thing for hours
[19:02:00] MrSpiffy: centering the display was fun too
[19:03:00] MrSpiffy: there must be an easier way
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[19:36:00] hadees: so no closer to figuiring out why ivtv is not putting out any sound
[19:36:00] hadees: man this sucks
[19:38:00] rw: hadees, #v4l may help you.
[19:39:00] beavis: xris, why do you call the password file /var/www/htpasswd? only files beginning with .htp* are secured by default. So anyone can read the file by default
[19:40:00] hadees: rw, why #v4l?
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[19:41:00] beavis: <Files ~ "^\.ht">
[19:41:00] beavis: Order allow,deny
[19:41:00] beavis: Deny from all
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[19:42:00] rw: hadees, nevermind, my bad.
[19:42:00] rw: hadees, #ivtv-dev
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[19:56:00] xris: beavis: /var/www/ is outside of the document tree
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[19:57:00] xris: ie. not accessible to web clients.
[19:57:00] beavis: xris: i can easily open it in every browser http:/localhost/htpasswd
[19:58:00] xris: beavis: then your /var/www tree is set up differently than most machines... usually, the document root is /var/www/html or /var/www/htdocs, not just /var/www
[19:58:00] beavis: on debian the document tree starts in /var/www directly
[19:58:00] xris: besides, that's only there as an example... mythweb doesn't require authentication (yet)
[19:59:00] beavis: the easiest solution would be to call it just .htpasswd
[20:00:00] beavis: sure, it's an example, just a quite bad one for debian
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[20:01:00] Mrgoose: anyone using geforce2mx 100/200
[20:02:00] beavis: I've made a wiki page today with "*NEVER* use the default htpasswd file location on debian".
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[20:25:00] rw: I tried skype with mythtvserver running and my call listen to all my televion playing, anyone experienced that? :)
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[20:33:00] ** xris wonders how debian gets along that way... so insecure to have the document root and the web root be the same directory... kills the ability to have a scriptalias like cgi-bin, separate pages for secure_html, etc. **
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[20:35:00] kormoc: rw, of course, you have a loopback input, so your line in is your tv, how else would you expect it? :P
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[20:39:00] laga: jvs: toll!
[20:40:00] cochi: o.O
[20:40:00] jvs: laga: ?
[20:41:00] laga: jvs: ich freue mich, dass du wieder da bist ;)
[20:41:00] jvs: laga: ich hab dich auch vermisst
[20:42:00] laga: tucke
[20:42:00] ** laga rennt **
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[20:42:00] jvs: laga: I have edited the ebuild
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[20:43:00] jvs: well, replaced the perl file and built the checksum
[20:44:00] laga: heh, nice. did it work? ;)
[20:44:00] jvs: sure
[20:44:00] jvs: I get some errors about a show's title
[20:45:00] jvs: but nothing exciting
[20:45:00] jvs: sure, it did work
[20:45:00] laga: nice :)
[20:45:00] jvs: using 5.39
[20:45:00] jvs: its the latest version in portage
[20:45:00] jvs: arch, though
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[20:46:00] jvs: I play with the thought of installing the latest cvs of myth on my notebook
[20:47:00] jvs: to try mythgame
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[20:47:00] jvs: and stuff
[20:47:00] REyM]: I have a problem, I am trying no set a video source but after that it keeps hangin @ 50%
[20:47:00] jvs: hmm
[20:47:00] jvs: its not hanging
[20:48:00] jvs: its asking for confirmation
[20:48:00] laga: REyM]: press alt + tab
[20:48:00] jvs: try alt tab to switch to the terminal
[20:48:00] REyM]: hmm, ok
[20:49:00] REyM]: first need to have xclient then
[20:49:00] REyM]: stupid thing is, I read it somewhere but forgot about it, until you guys said it
[20:51:00] picnet: anyone using the plextor PX-TV402U-EU? How do you get this to start in pal mode rather than something that gives video as mono & errors with couldnt get colour key message?
[20:51:00] jvs: REyM]: no problem at all :)
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[21:40:00] Exstatica: anyone have much luck getting a pvr-350 and a pvr-150 to work together?
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[21:41:00] Krazylegz: "Together"?
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[21:45:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, both in same box
[21:46:00] kormoc: Exstatica, you might have a problem with that, the 150 uses ivtv's tuner.ko and the 350 uses the inkernel tuner.ko.
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[21:48:00] rw: Exstatica, better sell to me your 150 and buy another 350 :-)
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[21:54:00] Exstatica: well crap
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[21:55:00] xris: it's possible to compile ivtv to use different name extensions, but I don't know how.
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[22:06:00] _beavis: why do I get millions of compile warning lately: /usr/include/qt3/private/qucom_p.h:69: warning: 'struct QUBuffer' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
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[22:23:00] jcb: when compiling mythtv i get this error "../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `postProcess_C'". do someone know what i can do to fix this?
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[22:37:00] ** jvs is away: emerge -u world **
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[23:15:00] patch: I have a Problem. When I go to use mythfilldatabase I get authentification failed. I log in at zap2it just fine with the username and pass ives set up. Any ideas?
[23:16:00] laga: patch: do you login at zap2it.com or labs.zap2it.com? ;)
[23:16:00] patch: labs
[23:16:00] xris: patch: does it actually fail? you will *always* see at least one "failed" or wget won't know that it has to log in.
[23:17:00] patch: Yeah xris I know what you mean. It actually fails tho.
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[23:18:00] xris: then something's not configured properly, and you need to double check that mythtvsetup actually got your login (you wouldn't have any listings available to pick from if it didn't work, and if that works, mythfilldatabase will work)
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[23:19:00] kormoc: what distro are you using?
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[23:21:00] patch: gentoo
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[23:23:00] patch: Does mythbackend have to be running for mythsetup?
[23:23:00] k-man: i'm about to install mythtv
[23:23:00] k-man: should i install a debian package of it? or get it from cvs?
[23:23:00] k-man: or what?
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[23:26:00] laga: k-man: what kind of hardware?
[23:27:00] k-man: dvb-t
[23:28:00] laga: umm. probably CVS. but try mdz's packages first :)
[23:28:00] k-man: mdz's?
[23:28:00] k-man: where do i find them?
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[23:28:00] ** laga is currently building the latest mythtv for debian \o/ ;) **
[23:28:00] laga: k-man: dunno, google for matt zimmerman mythtv
[23:29:00] k-man: ah, thanks
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[23:29:00] k-man: do you think they will work with stable?
[23:29:00] k-man: im using debian stable
[23:29:00] laga: debian sarge oder woody?
[23:30:00] k-man: sarge
[23:30:00] laga: k-man: works awesome here :)
[23:30:00] k-man: ok
[23:30:00] k-man: ill give it a go
[23:30:00] k-man: thanks
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[23:40:00] atomjack: anyone have any experience manually configuring QAM channels that myth missed when it scanned for them?
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[23:49:00] ulitz: I can't seem to load v4l or ivtv to get the /dev/video0 device under debian.. can someone help me>
[23:52:00] ulitz: can't seem to download the ivtv drivers
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