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Tuesday, August 2nd, 2005, 00:01 UTC
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[00:20:00] kabutor: is possible to setup to split the files when size => 1Gb or so? Im getting lots of corruptions on ext3 with big files..
[00:20:00] kabutor: or wich filesystem is the more reliable for recording?
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[00:21:00] kormoc: ext3 should never corrupt with files, large or small
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[00:22:00] mishehu: ext3, painfully slow
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[00:22:00] mishehu: for large media files, I'd recommend xfs
[00:22:00] mishehu: for lots of small files, I'd recommend reiser or reiser4
[00:22:00] kabutor: I know, but it does, Ive did lots of recording with 45 minutes (1.3 gb) but when I record 2 hours show 1 each 3 times crashes, and today I get some journaling stopped errors r:-7
[00:23:00] mishehu: you sure you don't have bad hardware?
[00:23:00] kabutor: xfs then.. will be great to have some autosplit in mythtv, something like in dvbgrab
[00:24:00] kabutor: well, colud be bad hardware, but Ive record 3 times a week since more than 3 months ago 45 minmutes each time, but now they change to 2 episodes each monday, and its the third monday out of 5 it crashes ..
[00:28:00] mishehu: sounds like another bug of some sort.
[00:28:00] mishehu: kernel?
[00:30:00] kabutor: havent tried with other than 2.6.11 since long time ago, Im upgrading to 2.6.12 tonight, but I think Im gonna try to resize the ext3 partition and make some xfs
[00:30:00] ** kabutor is searching how to resizer to a smaller size... **
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[01:09:00] Uberbot: Does anyone know of a program that sends Caller ID information from Asterisk to MythTV? Or do I need to write that program?
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[01:09:00] GreyFoxx: Uberbot: Actually I did that just the other day
[01:09:00] Uberbot: Does it work as well as I think it will?
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: Works perfectly fine for me
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[01:10:00] Uberbot: Way Cool!
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: though it will be nice when you can see it all the time
[01:11:00] GreyFoxx: I had to play around with mythtvosd to get it to run on my asterisk lbox (which didn't have all the libraries my myth box had). But then it wzas just a matter of configuring asterisk
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[01:13:00] Uberbot: GreyFoxx: I was thinking of just writing a perl script ot send out the network broadcast for the osd.
[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: There are is something already in the mythtv source contrib directory you might wanna check out
[01:14:00] Uberbot: I'll check that out.
[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: I just found it simpler to get mythtvosd to work on my asterisk box
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[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: You are welcome to a copy of it if you want
[01:14:00] Uberbot: Interesting.... Would nothave thought that.
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: much fewer dependancies than the default compile of it
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: Though I'm sure I could likely trim even more of them off, I just haven't bothered
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[01:21:00] mchou: sigh.... This a64 platform is just full of problems.
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[01:29:00] ulitz: I still ahven't figured out how to get the ivtv modules running after boot.. can anyone help me as far as modprobe.conf.. for a 2.6 kernel?
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[01:31:00] mchou: ulitz: should be a file like modprobe.preload or some such thing......
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[01:32:00] mchou: ulitz: varies by distro....
[01:32:00] ulitz: well for a fedora.. its in modprobe.conf
[01:33:00] mchou: no. that's not preload :)
[01:33:00] ulitz: oh ok
[01:33:00] ulitz: where is that /etc?
[01:34:00] mchou: depends on distro, like I said. And I dont use FC.
[01:34:00] ulitz: what do you use?
[01:34:00] mchou: mandrake
[01:35:00] ulitz: ok
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[01:38:00] ulitz: couldn't find that file in /etc
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[01:45:00] mchou: haha! Classic! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4780891
[01:46:00] mchou: guess that fad is really over
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[01:49:00] whoisvince: beautiful
[01:49:00] snL20: baah
[01:52:00] kormoc: ooh nice, where's cardoe?
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[01:55:00] ulitz: well got that fixed.. just added the modprobe to rc.local.. but now my frontend freezes after a second of playing.. I think it is because of the buffer though
[01:55:00] __Ace__: how much hd space does knoppmyth require?
[01:55:00] __Ace__: or, what is DISCREET.3DSMAX.UNPLUGGED.2005-GFXiSO?
[01:56:00] charlesv: hehe
[01:56:00] charlesv: 3dsmax is a graphics modeling program
[01:56:00] charlesv: that's a pirate group's release name
[01:56:00] GreyFoxx: mace: Where did you see it ?
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: ace : Where did you see it ?
[01:57:00] kormoc: Chutt, I now understand why you dislike genoo devs so much.
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[01:57:00] Chutt: how's that?
[01:58:00] kormoc: cardoe's ebuild for mythtv sets the dir for mythtv's mysql.txt to /var/log/mythtv.mythtv/mysql.txt
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[01:58:00] __Ace__: err
[01:58:00] __Ace__: something wierd happened
[01:58:00] __Ace__: well
[01:58:00] Chutt: nice
[01:58:00] kormoc: I submitted a bug and he says that's how he wants it to be 'for good reason' and closed the bug.
[01:59:00] __Ace__: anyone here that uses knoppmyth?
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[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc|afk: It would have been nice for a explaination of the "good reason"
[02:01:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, yeah...
[02:01:00] kormoc: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101009
[02:01:00] mchou: lol. you expecting an explanation from gentoo zealots?
[02:02:00] kormoc: mchou, normally yes, they give a good explanation, given most of them are rather nice people
[02:02:00] kormoc: given every single other bug I've submitted has been delt with wonderfully.
[02:04:00] mchou: sigh.....
[02:05:00] mchou: POS computer case
[02:06:00] snL20: if all you get is noise you may be missing module tda9887
[02:08:00] Chutt: kormoc, i can't think of a valid reason to do that, btw
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[02:10:00] kormoc: Chutt, thank you, I couldn't think of anything myself, but it's nice to have it confirmed.
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[02:13:00] Chutt: only logs should go in /var/log/
[02:14:00] ** kormoc nods. **
[02:15:00] epoch: i love it when ivtv crashes my system
[02:16:00] snL20: epoch: it does ? devel version ?
[02:16:00] epoch: I dunno, I haven't updated in months
[02:17:00] snL20: i'm using 0.2.x
[02:17:00] epoch: I think I'm using 0.3.x
[02:17:00] snL20: that's development version
[02:17:00] epoch: yep
[02:17:00] epoch: hrm, I might not be though
[02:18:00] epoch: oh nope
[02:18:00] epoch: 0.2.0 rc3j
[02:20:00] ** epoch downloads rc3k **
[02:20:00] mchou: wow, this is scary.
[02:21:00] mchou: I've got nothing new to record over the next 10 days.
[02:21:00] epoch: that is kind of scary
[02:21:00] mchou: usally I have at least 3 going :)
[02:22:00] epoch: you have 3 tuners?
[02:22:00] mchou: 5 actually
[02:22:00] mchou: if you include HDTV
[02:22:00] epoch: nice
[02:22:00] mchou: not all of them are in use :)
[02:22:00] epoch: is it stable?
[02:23:00] mchou: cant be more stable :)
[02:23:00] epoch: nice
[02:23:00] epoch: what kernel are you running?
[02:23:00] mchou: 2.6.11 distro patched kernel.
[02:23:00] epoch: hm
[02:24:00] epoch: maybe I should make the jump to 2.6
[02:24:00] epoch: I'm having some pretty annoying issues with my mythbox
[02:24:00] epoch: though, I'm using 2.4
[02:24:00] mchou: well, I only gave up 2.4 only a few months ago.
[02:24:00] mchou: that wasnt because of myth though.
[02:25:00] epoch: heh
[02:25:00] mchou: I got tired of running 2.6 and 2.4 on different machines.
[02:25:00] mchou: decided to standardize.
[02:26:00] epoch: ah
[02:26:00] mchou: to much of admin headache.
[02:26:00] mchou: too*
[02:26:00] epoch: yeah, the box I'm ircing from is 2.6, but my myth box is 2.4
[02:26:00] mchou: epoch: yeah, same deal for me a few monts ago.
[02:26:00] mchou: months*
[02:27:00] epoch: I just moved into a new apartment, 2 bedrooms, all to myself :)
[02:27:00] epoch: so my second bedroom is my computer room
[02:27:00] mchou: epoch: there is something wrong w/ that picture :)
[02:27:00] epoch: and my mythbox is in a closet, with audio/video/ethernet running through a hole in the wall
[02:28:00] epoch: I'm psyched
[02:28:00] epoch: haha
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[02:33:00] Cromz: ugh.. ok.. so I'll have to wait till this weekend to install my aquagate in my system. need to pull the mobo to add the cpu / water block retainers. blah blah blah blah. :>
[02:34:00] mchou: why would you need a water-cooled system these days?
[02:34:00] mchou: a64s run pretty cool.
[02:35:00] charlesv: ok i give in
[02:35:00] charlesv: i'm going to fry's first thing in the morning
[02:35:00] Cromz: hmm cause my house gets hot.. it's a double-wide trailer :P
[02:35:00] Cromz: my terra-byte all in one system
[02:35:00] mchou: charlesv: haha!!
[02:35:00] Cromz: lol
[02:35:00] charlesv: hopefully they'll still have that deal
[02:35:00] charlesv: i still don't know what kind of mobo it is
[02:35:00] Cromz: x86_64 and it's been beeping at me saying 'I'm hot!'
[02:35:00] mchou: charlesv: what deal?
[02:36:00] charlesv: http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys . . . 9/11603.html
[02:36:00] mchou: charlesv: I have my doubts
[02:36:00] charlesv: http://www.marketplacelocal.com/PortalWeb/Por . . . emid=7212957
[02:36:00] charlesv: about the board or that they'll have it?
[02:36:00] mchou: Friday ads generally last thru Monday.
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[02:37:00] charlesv: hmm
[02:37:00] mchou: they have the board all right. Maybe not that exact deal.
[02:37:00] charlesv: that one says through tuesday
[02:37:00] charlesv: i gues i'll call and ask
[02:37:00] mchou: that deal comes up every week.
[02:37:00] mchou: charlesv: ok, if it says that then it's probably OK.
[02:38:00] mchou: I've never seen frys run out of any advertised deals.
[02:38:00] mchou: other stuff, yeah.
[02:38:00] mchou: but not advertised deals.
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[02:38:00] mchou: that's most likely an ecs mobo.
[02:39:00] mchou: either this one: http://www.ecsusa.com/products/755-a.html
[02:39:00] mchou: or this: http://www.ecsusa.com/products/755-a2.html
[02:40:00] mchou: you can tell cause the memory slots run on top.....
[02:41:00] mchou: It's too bad the mobos dont include firewire.
[02:42:00] charlesv: ok confirmed it's tomorrow
[02:42:00] charlesv: dang if orgot to ask what model it was
[02:42:00] charlesv: also i doubt the picture is accurate :P
[02:43:00] mchou: the pics are accurate
[02:44:00] mchou: that deal pictured is the OLD sempron
[02:44:00] charlesv: well the memory slots run along the side in the picture, though
[02:44:00] mchou: socket A or whatever it's called.
[02:44:00] charlesv: oh
[02:44:00] charlesv: is that bad?
[02:44:00] mchou: not 754
[02:44:00] mchou: probably runs a wee bit warm.
[02:45:00] charlesv: hmm
[02:45:00] charlesv: at that price a bit warm may be OK :P
[02:45:00] mchou: and probably the end of the road for that socket.
[02:45:00] mchou: charlesv: no, I'd reconsider.
[02:45:00] mchou: you'd be spending a fortune on fans and cooling to make up for it.
[02:46:00] mchou: get a 754 or 939 if you can.
[02:46:00] charlesv: hmmm
[02:46:00] charlesv: i'll shop around tomorrow i guess
[02:46:00] mchou: there are other frys deals
[02:46:00] abarbaccia: garh – my webhosting company is totally sucking right now
[02:47:00] abarbaccia: i guess that's what i get for paying less than $22 a year
[02:47:00] charlesv: yeh
[02:47:00] mchou: like this one: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/RopAds.as . . . p;ad=1891309
[02:48:00] charlesv: which? it links to the full page
[02:48:00] abarbaccia: so annoying – first the site goes down from "internal server errors" then they change me to a new server – with a new virtual address- so my config file is wrong- and that file is only editable by user apache which i cant get to because my site is down
[02:48:00] charlesv: 2800 for 129?
[02:48:00] mchou: yeah.
[02:48:00] abarbaccia: how do they not give my root user permissions to user group apache
[02:48:00] charlesv: yeah. i'm building this box for HD
[02:49:00] charlesv: with xvmc on an nvidia card, should a 2800 a64 be able to handle it?
[02:49:00] mchou: 2800 might be a bit borderline if you DONT use XVMC.
[02:49:00] mchou: XVMC is not an optimal solution as it stands.
[02:50:00] charlesv: why's that?
[02:50:00] mchou: OSD issues.
[02:50:00] charlesv: Hrmmm
[02:50:00] mchou: maybe they've been fixed in myth by now, but I haven't checked.
[02:51:00] charlesv: what problems were there?
[02:51:00] mchou: OSD causes disturbing stuttering
[02:51:00] mchou: w/XVMC
[02:51:00] charlesv: Hrmmmk
[02:51:00] mchou: no problem if you dont use XVMC.
[02:52:00] mchou: it's only an issue if you bring up OSD or skip.
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[02:53:00] mchou: and the stuttering dies down in about 3–5 secs.
[02:53:00] Cromz: mchou, it isn't XVMC.. it's cause you don't have your system water cooled ;) lol j/k
[02:53:00] mchou: but it's verying annoying
[02:53:00] mchou: (to me)
[02:53:00] charlesv: yeah
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[02:53:00] charlesv: Hrmmm
[02:54:00] charlesv: well i'm hoping this will be wife-ready with minimal frustrations
[02:54:00] mchou: haha!
[02:54:00] mchou: good luck.
[02:54:00] charlesv: so maybe that's not the best route
[02:54:00] charlesv: hee
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[02:54:00] charlesv: well i'm going to try and do myth first, barring that, I might throw MCE on there and see how that fares
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[02:54:00] mchou: your wife might decide to look for a new hubby while you work on it :)
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[02:55:00] charlesv: haha
[02:55:00] mchou: screw MCE
[02:55:00] charlesv: yeah it's not an immediate necessity
[02:55:00] charlesv: torrents + OTA work for us for now
[02:55:00] charlesv: if i were to get a remote that fry's might carry, any suggestions?
[02:55:00] mchou: nope.
[02:55:00] mchou: get the cheapest remote you can get.
[02:56:00] charlesv: hehe
[02:56:00] charlesv: k
[02:56:00] mchou: I have them coming outta my ass it's not funny.
[02:56:00] mchou: I do recommend IR instead of RF, however.
[02:57:00] mchou: rat shack has JP1 remotes (or they used to)
[02:57:00] charlesv: //www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/664499.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv- . . . /664499.html
[02:57:00] charlesv: maybe it's fixed! :P
[02:57:00] mchou: those JP1 remotes are nice.
[02:58:00] mchou: charlesv: that post is ancient
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[03:00:00] charlesv: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . 90be50f185ff <- sounds like the 2800 could be fine for HD
[03:00:00] charlesv: hmmm
[03:00:00] charlesv: i guess i can always return it
[03:00:00] charlesv: fry's is just a trek away
[03:00:00] mchou: haha!!
[03:01:00] mchou: a few days ago you were too lazy to make the trip to frys.
[03:01:00] mchou: now you going to go there 2x? :)
[03:01:00] mchou: 2nd time to return :)
[03:01:00] charlesv: hehe
[03:02:00] Cromz: he's getting excited.. myth will work soon.. and all will be good.
[03:02:00] charlesv: hopefully!
[03:05:00] MrSpiffy: dudes
[03:05:00] Cromz: charlesv, just don't do what I did.. build a power system to do everything :/ web-server / ftp server / mud game server / ssh server / myth box ( backend and frontend ) / desktop to play city of heroes and check enail.. irc and gaim and and and and and lol :> the cpu gets warm ;)
[03:05:00] MrSpiffy: I have been locked in the basement with a mini itx board for a week
[03:05:00] mchou: charlesv: if you dont want to drive you can take caltrain :)
[03:05:00] charlesv: mchou yeh
[03:06:00] charlesv: i wonder how long that'd take
[03:06:00] mchou: charlesv: where in SF are you?
[03:06:00] charlesv: western addition
[03:06:00] Cromz: MrSpiffy, heh huh.. fanless one? no air-flow.. huh
[03:06:00] MrSpiffy: anybody buiild myth from source here?
[03:06:00] mchou: charlesv: it will take a LONG time.
[03:06:00] mchou: bring 3 novels. :)
[03:06:00] MrSpiffy: Cromz, no I have a fan case – fanless is a hundred bucks more
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[03:06:00] Cromz: :)
[03:06:00] MrSpiffy: at-rpms screwed me and everyone else using fedora core 1
[03:06:00] mchou: charlesv: take the express if you can.
[03:07:00] MrSpiffy: no myhtplugins rpm and the whole thing depends on it
[03:07:00] mchou: MrSpiffy: complain complain.
[03:07:00] charlesv: man
[03:07:00] charlesv: 2hrs, 20 min
[03:07:00] charlesv: 9.75
[03:07:00] charlesv: that's 20 bucks roundtrip
[03:07:00] charlesv: cheaper to drive :P
[03:07:00] mchou: eveyone comes in here to bitch about atrpms
[03:07:00] MrSpiffy: my fault for using them
[03:08:00] MrSpiffy: I should have built from source from the get go
[03:08:00] mchou: charlesv: not if you take car insurance, time, gas, etc into account :)
[03:08:00] MrSpiffy: at-rpms pulls the rug out from under you for the hell of it
[03:08:00] bradley: MrSpiffy: done it in past as part of my LFS system
[03:08:00] charlesv: 90min to the concord location however
[03:08:00] MrSpiffy: transcode is gone from the fc2 tree – I found one on a mirror
[03:08:00] MrSpiffy: nothing like thinking the repository is there and re-installing a system
[03:09:00] MrSpiffy: only to find out it's not
[03:09:00] MrSpiffy: bastids
[03:09:00] mchou: haha, serves you right.
[03:09:00] MrSpiffy: bradley, looks like I have to. The only fedora distrib that has drivers for the via m10 board is rh9 and fc1
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[03:10:00] MrSpiffy: I have fc1installed
[03:10:00] MrSpiffy: using at-rpms for lame. ffmeg
[03:10:00] MrSpiffy: what else should I grab from them
[03:10:00] MrSpiffy: mplayer ..
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[03:14:00] xris: MrSpiffy: transcode, ffmpeg, w32codec if you want to watch wmv files
[03:14:00] xris: and mythtv, of course.
[03:14:00] xris: and anything those require.
[03:15:00] xris: and then anything else that no one else has.
[03:15:00] mchou: xris: it sounds like a PITA
[03:16:00] mchou: I wonder why ppl bother with M10000's
[03:16:00] mchou: might as well run gentoo :)
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[03:17:00] snL20: M10000 ?
[03:18:00] mchou: nehemiahs or whatever they are called.
[03:20:00] MrSpiffy: xris, thanks
[03:20:00] MrSpiffy: xris, getting mplay from repository
[03:21:00] MrSpiffy: typical at-rpms – missing dep for trnascode – imagemagic
[03:21:00] ** MrSpiffy scours the net for the image magic at rpm **
[03:21:00] ** MrSpiffy gruble **
[03:22:00] xris: MrSpiffy: ImageMagick (case sensitive)
[03:22:00] xris: should be in the standard base repository
[03:24:00] abarbaccia: why is transcode so damn hard to find – is it old or soemthing maybe outdated?
[03:24:00] charlesv: well crap, it appears knoppmyth won't be an option for me : http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=31064&
[03:24:00] MrSpiffy: abarbaccia, which one are you looking for
[03:24:00] mchou: abarbaccia: because it has patent issues.
[03:25:00] charlesv: It appears that r0.2 Air2PC support is lacking
[03:25:00] mchou: charlesv: lacking for what?
[03:25:00] MrSpiffy: xris, found it on pbone
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[03:25:00] charlesv: mchou: lacking for working, according to that post
[03:25:00] abarbaccia: i have my transcode – but it seems like everybody has a hard time installing it
[03:26:00] charlesv: though it looks like that's jsut knoppmyth, i suppose ic ould try and roll my own kernel
[03:26:00] charlesv: *Shudder*
[03:26:00] mchou: r0.2 has the broadcom tuner??
[03:26:00] charlesv: looks like it
[03:26:00] mchou: I thought that0.1
[03:26:00] mchou: I thought that was 0.1
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[03:26:00] mchou: 0.2 has NXT2002 or some such
[03:26:00] mchou: or so I thought
[03:27:00] xris: MrSpiffy: better idea to use the official package
[03:27:00] xris: mchou: you were complaining about bad movies this summer — you're not alone: http://www.altonbrown.com/pages/rants.html
[03:28:00] mchou: xris: bah
[03:29:00] charlesv: mchou: i guess we'll find out!!
[03:29:00] mchou: tom cruise has katie holmes :)
[03:29:00] MrSpiffy: xris, yeah – already have imagemagik and transcode installed from at-rpms
[03:29:00] mchou: tom cruise desnt need to spend $10 :)
[03:29:00] MrSpiffy: xris, question – I can;t use the mythtv-suite rpm because there is no mythplugins rpm
[03:29:00] MrSpiffy: xris, so can I install the individual rpms, then build the plugins from source?
[03:30:00] xris: MrSpiffy: fc1 is a bit old for a new install.. you might try the at-testing repository.
[03:30:00] MrSpiffy: hm
[03:31:00] MrSpiffy: I'll look there
[03:31:00] MrSpiffy: xris, have to use fc1 or rh9 – driver issue
[03:31:00] xris: http://atrpms.net/name/mythplugins/
[03:31:00] xris: guess there's no fc1 package
[03:31:00] xris: src.rpm might compile, though.
[03:31:00] xris: driver issue?
[03:32:00] MrSpiffy: XRIS – YES
[03:32:00] MrSpiffy: xris, soryy about the caps lock
[03:32:00] MrSpiffy: xris, yes – there are no drivers for the via vga chip that compile and/or load out there
[03:32:00] xris: ah
[03:33:00] charlesv: maybe i am getting a 0.1, mchou: http://cgi.ebay.com/Air2PC-ATSC-PCI-Desktop-P . . . cmdZViewItem
[03:33:00] MrSpiffy: xris, the only success I've had is minimyth (2.4 kernel) and FC1 using the compiled drivers on the cdrom
[03:33:00] charlesv: but is says r0.2
[03:33:00] MrSpiffy: xris, the good news is the drivers are loaded and working
[03:33:00] MrSpiffy: xris, I have tv out on s-video fired up
[03:34:00] mchou: charlesv: that oic looks like 0.1
[03:34:00] mchou: pic*
[03:34:00] charlesv: yeah, says 0.2 in the auction, though
[03:34:00] MrSpiffy: xris, now just to get mythtv installed – which is the reson for the mini-itx box's being
[03:34:00] charlesv: shrugzzz
[03:34:00] mchou: even can see the broadcom logo on the chip.
[03:34:00] xris: MrSpiffy: I have spec files that'll build svn myth (which you probably don't want now as it's a bit flaky)
[03:35:00] charlesv: yeh it's broadcom
[03:35:00] charlesv: according to Air2PC
[03:35:00] charlesv: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-523988.html
[03:35:00] charlesv: er according to BBTI
[03:35:00] MrSpiffy: this is what cheeses me off
[03:35:00] MrSpiffy: Resolving dependencies
[03:35:00] MrSpiffy: ........Unable to satisfy dependencies
[03:35:00] MrSpiffy: Package mythtv-suite needs mythplugins >= 0.18.1, this is not available.
[03:36:00] MrSpiffy: grr
[03:36:00] mchou: charlesv: doh! looks like you getting broadcom card.
[03:37:00] mchou: that's a generation one card. Hardly worth $20 even.....
[03:37:00] charlesv: well shite
[03:37:00] charlesv: i've been hoodwinked!
[03:37:00] mchou: lol
[03:38:00] mchou: you might have to pay a visit to bbti :)
[03:38:00] charlesv: hee
[03:38:00] mchou: refuse shipment or whatever.
[03:38:00] charlesv: well they already have my paypal :P
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[03:39:00] mchou: charlesv: you starting on the wrong foot already.
[03:39:00] ledhed: anyone here using FC4 with MythTV yet?
[03:39:00] charlesv: apparently!
[03:39:00] mchou: ebay is never worthwhile for stuff <$100.
[03:39:00] charlesv: hehe
[03:39:00] charlesv: well what do i do with 2 useless HD tuners? :P
[03:39:00] mchou: lol.
[03:39:00] ledhed: send 1 to me
[03:40:00] charlesv: hee
[03:40:00] xris: ledhed: I do
[03:40:00] charlesv: supposedly they work with the latest DVB
[03:40:00] mchou: there are linux drivers for 0.2 broadcom one.
[03:40:00] xris: well, for a frontend (my workstation)
[03:40:00] mchou: they just happen to be 2.4, iirc :)
[03:40:00] charlesv: heh
[03:40:00] ledhed: xris: anything special that needs to be done when installing MythTV on FC4?
[03:41:00] mchou: FC 4 is a "special" need.
[03:41:00] xris: ledhed: no clue
[03:41:00] ledhed: xris, you roll your own or ATRPM?
[03:41:00] xris: I build my own packages because I have issues with atrpms stuff (still need some atrpms packages, though, but livna is catching up)
[03:42:00] ledhed: livna?
[03:42:00] mchou: charlesv: I'm surprised you're taking this so well.
[03:42:00] mchou: charlesv: you must be a well-adjusted person :)
[03:43:00] xris: ledhed: livna.org — yet another repository.
[03:43:00] mchou: I dont get it. Why not just compile from source?
[03:43:00] xris: afk
[03:44:00] ledhed: ok, another genreal question. In the Windows world I never Upgrade, I always do a Clean Install. But I'm tempted to just upgrade FC3 to FC4. Is it safe?
[03:44:00] mchou: ppl always bitching about atrpms.
[03:44:00] mchou: ledhed: safe is always relative.
[03:44:00] ** MrSpiffy picks up the dental pick – is it safe.....? **
[03:44:00] mchou: Exactly what I was thinking :)
[03:45:00] mchou: ppl too young to remember "Marathon Man"
[03:45:00] mchou: my first movie where I saw frontal nudity :)
[03:46:00] mchou: or was that Godfather?
[03:46:00] charlesv: mchou: i feel a little sick that i blew 100 bucks + shipping on cards that may turn out to be useless
[03:46:00] charlesv: but worse things have happened
[03:46:00] mchou: either way the boobs made quite an impression :)
[03:46:00] ledhed: Ok then, what are some concerns when upgrading?
[03:47:00] mchou: ledhed: library mismatches.
[03:47:00] mchou: all sort of sick stuff that's hard to pin down or debug.
[03:48:00] ledhed: ok, thats what I wanted to hear
[03:48:00] ledhed: sounds like a clean install is the way to go...
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[03:49:00] ledhed: if I have my OS on 1 drive and my Myth Storage on a seperate LVM RAID, when I do a clean install will the New installation recognize the LVM ?
[03:49:00] charlesv: mchou: i'm a born again linux virgin, but this (http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/patches/2.6. . . . m3510.patch) would seem to imply that it works on 2.6?
[03:49:00] mchou: charlesv: I guess you arent going to vist frys then?
[03:49:00] abarbaccia: ledhed, why would you have an LVM raid?
[03:50:00] mchou: charlesv: maybe :)
[03:50:00] abarbaccia: isnt it LVM or a raid?
[03:50:00] ledhed: incase I want to grow it
[03:50:00] charlesv: mchou: i still am
[03:50:00] charlesv: i'll build an HD pvr come hell or high water
[03:50:00] charlesv: it just may mean i sell these cards and buy something else and only have one tuner :)
[03:50:00] abarbaccia: ledhed, you can't just grow a raid – regardless of what file system is on it
[03:50:00] mchou: ledhed: sure.
[03:50:00] mchou: just do pvscan.
[03:50:00] ledhed: abarbaccia, I know but its easier to do with a LVM
[03:51:00] abarbaccia: i would just go with LVM or raid
[03:51:00] charlesv: though looking at that doesn't give me any inkling aso to how i'd make it work
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[03:51:00] ledhed: abarbaccia, LVM provides no redundency
[03:51:00] charlesv: would installing gentoo give me a better chance of getting the right stuff?
[03:51:00] abarbaccia: ledhed, i understand – then just go with a raid
[03:51:00] mchou: abarbaccia: huh?? you cant grow raid with lvm?
[03:51:00] abarbaccia: or are you talking about using LVM to add drives but NOT to the raid?
[03:52:00] ledhed: abarbaccia, no. more like online raid expansion. where I add an aditional drive to the array
[03:52:00] ledhed: then use LVM to resize the partition
[03:52:00] abarbaccia: ledhed, i've never heard of anything like that before and i deal with raids pretty frequently
[03:52:00] mchou: abarbaccia: lol
[03:52:00] ledhed: abarbaccia, do some research
[03:53:00] mchou: abarbaccia: yeah, no kidding
[03:53:00] abarbaccia: alright man – if you can – sick
[03:53:00] ledhed: 3Ware, Promise, and LSI all do it
[03:53:00] mchou: well, those are hardly raid :)
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[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: damn
[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: damn damn
[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: damn damn damn
[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: mythtvsetup: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.18.1.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGroupBox10setEnabledEb
[03:54:00] ledhed: RAID is RAID, but SATA isnt as good as SCSI, but much cheaper
[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: wtf
[03:54:00] MrSpiffy: over
[03:54:00] mchou: lol. there is wannabe raid and RAID.
[03:55:00] ledhed: mchou, the 3Ware card I have is a true RAID controller not that SoftRaid on Bios crap
[03:55:00] mchou: I'd hardly call 3ware & Promise RAID.
[03:55:00] mchou: lol
[03:55:00] MrSpiffy: I have a highpoint 464 card
[03:55:00] MrSpiffy: would you call that raid?
[03:55:00] abarbaccia: whatever – any legit RAID does not just decide to accept extra disks and re-span the whole volume
[03:55:00] ledhed: I also have an Adaptec Ultra 160 (RAID5) with 4x 80g SCSI.
[03:56:00] mchou: 3Ware and "true RAID" mentioned in the same breath. Who would have thought?
[03:56:00] ledhed: abarbaccia, its a feature.
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[03:56:00] abarbaccia: anyways – i gotta run – (i have 2 8+1+1 raid 5s with 160GB SCSI drives...at work)
[03:56:00] abarbaccia: later ledhed mchou see ya soon
[03:56:00] ledhed: c ya
[03:56:00] mchou: later
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[03:56:00] MrSpiffy: anybody know what's up with this
[03:56:00] MrSpiffy: mythtvsetup: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.18.1.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGroupBox10setEnabledEb
[03:57:00] mchou: library version mismatch.
[03:57:00] mchou: recompile.
[03:57:00] MrSpiffy: rats
[03:57:00] macroexp: i'm trying to use nuvexport/mpeg2_cut to trim out commercials in my pvr-350's recorded files
[03:57:00] MrSpiffy: xris, so much for using at-rpms
[03:57:00] MrSpiffy: xris, looks like a grouns up compile
[03:57:00] ledhed: later all
[03:57:00] macroexp: it's been doing the avidemux2 step for about 35 minutes now
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[03:57:00] mchou: MrSpiffy: I dont get it. Just compile from source.
[03:58:00] macroexp: it's a half-hour show
[03:58:00] mchou: what's the big deal??
[03:58:00] macroexp: does that make any sense? it's only a p3–600mhz
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[04:03:00] macroexp: is there any way i can see what avidemux2 is doing? in 40 minutes of working it's only put out 2 1kb .cut files
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[04:06:00] charlesv: mrchou, do you think it's even worth it trying to build a myth box with those cards
[04:06:00] charlesv: or will i jus be hitting brick walls every 10 minutes
[04:06:00] charlesv: figuratively and literally ;)
[04:07:00] MrSpiffy: mchou, compiling from source now
[04:07:00] MrSpiffy: getting more goodies
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[04:11:00] mishehu: ok, this is pathetically funny... comcast sent me a mail advert about their new on-screen program guide... "See 90 minutes ahead... get an hour-and-a-half of program listings."
[04:12:00] mishehu: wooooohoooo... errr wait... don't I see a couple weeks in advance with mythtv+zap2it?  ;-)
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[04:18:00] MrSpiffy: sigh
[04:18:00] MrSpiffy: need tp compile alsa first
[04:18:00] MrSpiffy: or use oss
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[04:23:00] jay: I'm trying to compile mythtv on an amd64 with gcc2.4 and it keeps failing in libmythsoundtouch complaining about /usr/bin/ld not being able to find -lXext. anyone have any ideas how to resolve this?
[04:24:00] charlesv: hmmm
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[04:24:00] charlesv: LST-3410As are going for like 500 on ebay
[04:24:00] charlesv: maybe i should just get one of those ;)
[04:25:00] ulitz: I have recently had trouble getting ivtv to load on boot.. but I got that fixed now, but when I run mythtv I get fuzz instead of tv
[04:25:00] ulitz: when I restart the mythbackend.. it will work
[04:26:00] macroexp: ok so nuvexport is not building the .nuv.idx file
[04:27:00] ulitz: I even added a /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart on the /etc/rc.local file
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[04:28:00] rtsai: jay: does /etc/ld.so.conf have a reference for /usr/X11R6/lib (or wherever your libXext lives)?
[04:31:00] MrSpiffy: won't compile on FC1 either
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[04:34:00] jay: yes, I just did a search for libxext* and there where quite a few in /usr/X11R6/lib so I checked for that line in /etc/ld.so.conf and it was there.
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[04:37:00] charlesv: maybe i'll wait for someone to succesfully get r0.2 air2pc working before i buy all my hardware :P
[04:37:00] jay: I added the following to my settings.pro:
[04:37:00] Krazylegz: Man, this wireless card is kicking my butt.
[04:37:00] jay: CONFIG += release
[04:38:00] jay: QMAKE_CC = gcc-3.4
[04:38:00] jay: QMAKE_CXX = g++-3.4
[04:38:00] jay: QMAKE_LINK = g++-3.4
[04:38:00] jay: would that cause any problems?
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[04:45:00] ulitz: does anyone have mtd started at boot?
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[04:55:00] macroexp: so i'm running nuvexport + mpeg2cut on the main backend
[04:55:00] macroexp: i was running it as a user without write privileges to the main video directory.
[04:56:00] macroexp: in this case, avidemux was unable to write the .idx file. mpeg2cut carries on anyway, and the next avidemux invocation fails, running infinitely at 100% cpu.
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[05:05:00] charlesv: i wonder if my replaytv 5504 is of any use without a subscription
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[05:19:00] xanderp: multi-backend question: I have a frontend/master backend system with 1 pvr350. I have a frontend/slaved backend system with 2 pvr150's. the master backend system sees that i have 3 tuners, but lists the 2 on the slave system as unavailable. I don't know how to troubleshoot. help please.
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[05:35:00] jay: I'm having problems compiling mythtv for amd64. Is there a way to force it to compile in 32bit mode?
[05:36:00] xanderp: <jay>: what distro are you using?
[05:38:00] Chutt: current head compiles fine on amd64.
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[05:39:00] xanderp: jay must have asked the question then slipped on a banana peel, knocking himself out.
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[05:46:00] euphobot_: hi
[05:53:00] jay: ahahaha, Im on Debian 3.1
[05:56:00] jay: I keep getting an error about /usr/bin/ld not being able to find -lXext, but /usr/X11R6/lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf and libXext* are in /usr/X11R6/lib
[05:56:00] jay: I'm not sure what the problem is
[05:56:00] macroexp: ld doesn't use ld.so.conf, does it?
[05:56:00] macroexp: you should have a -L/usr/X11R6/lib on the ld line
[05:57:00] jay: I though it was because I didn't have xlibs-dev installed. I installed it, but no difference
[05:57:00] jay: this is probably a newbie question, but where is the ld line?
[05:58:00] macroexp: oh, well i thought you were running ld
[05:58:00] macroexp: what is the commandline that failed? (the line right before the error)
[05:58:00] jay: that's what the error says when I'm compiling
[06:01:00] jay: g++-3.4 -shared -Wl,-soname,libmyth-0.18.1.so.0 -o libmyth-0.18
[06:01:00] jay: .1.so.0.18.1 dialogbox.o lcddevice.o mythcontext.o mythwidgets.
[06:01:00] jay: o oldsettings.o remotefile.o settings.o themedmenu.o util.o myt
[06:01:00] jay: hwizard.o uitypes.o xmlparse.o mythplugin.o mythdialogs.o audio
[06:01:00] jay: output.o inetcomms.o httpcomms.o mythmedia.o uilistbtntype.o ui
[06:01:00] jay: phoneentry.o generictree.o managedlist.o DisplayRes.o volumecon
[06:01:00] jay: trol.o volumebase.o audiooutputbase.o dbsettings.o screensaver.
[06:01:00] jay: o screensaver-null.o output.o langsettings.o mythdbcon.o audioo
[06:01:00] jay: utputnull.o DisplayResScreen.o util-x11.o qmdcodec.o mythcdrom.o mythmediamonitor.o moc_dialogbox.o moc_lcddevice.o moc_mythcontext.o moc_mythwidgets.o moc_settings.o moc_themedmenu.o moc_mythwizard.o moc_uitypes.o moc_mythdialogs.o moc_inetcomms.o moc_httpcomms.o moc_mythmedia.o moc_uilistbtntype.o moc_uiphoneentry.o moc_managedlist.o moc_mythcdrom.o moc_mythmediamonitor.o-L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L../libmythsamplerate -lmythsamplerate-0
[06:01:00] jay: .18.1 -L../libmythsoundtouch -lmythsoundtouch-0.18.1 -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
[06:02:00] macroexp: yeah i think there should be a -L/usr/X11R6/lib in there... dunno why it wouldn't be there
[06:03:00] jay: is there a file I need to edit to make this happen?
[06:03:00] jay: sorry for all the elementary questions
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[06:04:00] macroexp: i'm not really sure – i haven't compiled mythtv myself more than once – i'm not exactly sure how the qmake step affects things
[06:05:00] macroexp: did you install more libraries after encountering the error?
[06:05:00] jay: yeah, I installed xlibs-dev, did a make clean and tried to do make again.
[06:06:00] macroexp: you might want to start from scratch. make clean might not have been "clean" enough
[06:07:00] jay: yeah, I'll give that a try
[06:08:00] jay: thanks for the help
[06:08:00] macroexp: good luck
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[06:53:00] LedHed: if I want to copy a partition what it the best way to do it?
[06:54:00] LedHed: or make an exact backup rather?
[06:54:00] Krazylegz: dd
[06:55:00] LedHed: will that copy the partition or just the information?
[06:55:00] Krazylegz: The partition, bit by bit.
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[06:57:00] evit: does mythtv support dish network streams?
[07:00:00] LedHed: evit, it captures the stream via a capture card
[07:01:00] xris: evit: mythtv doesn't care about the source... as for getting at the raw streams via dvb, that's somewhat illegal.
[07:01:00] ** xris curses the dmca **
[07:01:00] xris: works great via svideo, though.
[07:04:00] LedHed: if I use dd to copy a 1/2 full 800gb partition will the destination have be 800gb?
[07:05:00] Riff-Raff: yes
[07:06:00] Riff-Raff: xris, how is recording dvb stream illegal?
[07:06:00] xris: Riff-Raff: it's not. decrypting it is.
[07:06:00] LedHed: ok, I dont want to use dd then. what about cp?
[07:06:00] xris: LedHed: yes
[07:06:00] Riff-Raff: ledhead, use tar
[07:07:00] Riff-Raff: (tar cpsfl – / ) | (cd /mnt ; tar xpsfl -)
[07:07:00] LedHed: I'm talking about 400gb of data. wouldn't that take a very long time to tar?
[07:07:00] Riff-Raff: copy from / to /mnt
[07:07:00] Riff-Raff: no?
[07:07:00] Riff-Raff: why would it
[07:07:00] LedHed: doesnt tar compress the data?
[07:07:00] evit: probably over 2 hrs
[07:07:00] Krazylegz: LedHed: You could also use netcat to tar it over a network to it's destination.
[07:07:00] Riff-Raff: tar does not conpress
[07:08:00] Riff-Raff: but usually tar-archive is compressed with gzip/bzip
[07:08:00] LedHed: humm, ok so if I use tar will it create 1 file?
[07:08:00] Riff-Raff: tar is basicly just a concatenated format
[07:08:00] xris: LedHed: tar *can* compress, if you tell it to.. but it basically just calls gzip or bzip2 (or whatever else you want).
[07:08:00] xris: LedHed: yes
[07:09:00] Riff-Raff: if you use the incantation I gave above, it does not create a file, just tars and untars it straight
[07:09:00] evit: xris is so its illegal but is it possible?
[07:09:00] evit: that way i could do away with my reciever box right?
[07:09:00] LedHed: I dont want that either. what about CP? is there a way to cp the date from / to /Backup without loosing permissions etc...?
[07:09:00] xris: evit: there are people who've done it, yes. it's a huge PITA, and you'll be hard pressed to find someone willing to tell you how to do it (not to mention get you the decryption keys)
[07:10:00] xris: LedHed: what's wrong with tar?
[07:10:00] Riff-Raff: ledhead, what format is the /Backup
[07:10:00] Riff-Raff: ..or filesystem
[07:10:00] evit: better to just get a ir i guess
[07:10:00] LedHed: Riff-Raff, do I enter it into the commandline just as you did above with the ( )?
[07:11:00] xris: evit: irblaster.info... and then google for "losdos mythtv" to get the info on how to set it up.
[07:11:00] LedHed: Riff-Raff, its another hard drive formatted XFS (Same as source) and mounted to /Backup
[07:11:00] Riff-Raff: yes, but substitute the paths, that is basicly a beefed-up cp, copies links and device nodes etc.
[07:11:00] xris: LedHed: boot drive, or data drive?
[07:11:00] LedHed: xris, data drive
[07:11:00] xris: LedHed: cp -a
[07:11:00] xris: or rsync
[07:11:00] Riff-Raff: who not just use cp?
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[07:11:00] evit: ty
[07:12:00] Riff-Raff: I', off to bed, nighty night
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[07:12:00] LedHed: I asked about cp already. ok so cp or rsync
[07:12:00] LedHed: Night Riff-Raff
[07:13:00] xris: LedHed: if all you're doing is copying files, just use cp
[07:13:00] Riff-Raff: basicly, if all you need to copy is plain files, cp is just fine
[07:13:00] Riff-Raff: that tar-spell above is good for example if you need to move your root to another drive
[07:13:00] LedHed: ok, will cp -a also copy the directories? and preserve permissions?
[07:13:00] Riff-Raff: man cp
[07:13:00] jay: I'm trying to compile mythtv on an amd64 system running debian 3.1 and I'm getting a compile error of: cc1plus: error: bad value (k8) for -march= switch
[07:13:00] jay: cc1plus: error: bad value (k8) for -mcpu= switch
[07:13:00] jay: I'm using gcc3.4 anyone know how to fix this?
[07:13:00] LedHed: ;)
[07:14:00] GreyFoxx: dude, just use rsync to do a recursive copy and preserve permissions
[07:14:00] LedHed: will do Riff-Raff
[07:14:00] GreyFoxx: cd /dest/dir ; rsync -avrx /source .
[07:14:00] LedHed: ok, I'll man rsync and cp... Thanks
[07:15:00] GreyFoxx: Note, if you do not add a / to the end of the source directory on the rsync command it will create "source" and put the contents inside. If you don't want to create that directory just add the /
[07:16:00] GreyFoxx: the x tells it to not span accross partitions, so it wont recurse down into mounted drives under the /source path
[07:17:00] xris: LedHed: you want `cp -a`
[07:17:00] LedHed: ok, thanks
[07:18:00] GreyFoxx: Dammit, this sucks. I can't find the power adapter for my touch screen panel/monitor.
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[07:20:00] LedHed: ok when I do cp -arv /RAID/ /Backup/ it created a /RAID directory within the mount /Backup?
[07:21:00] LedHed: should I do cp -arv /RAID/* /Backup/  ?
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[07:30:00] travolta: depends on what you want to copy
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[08:16:00] Krazylegz: Help!
[08:16:00] Krazylegz: I think I've gone retarded.
[08:16:00] Krazylegz: If mplayer -fs somefile.mpg works, then why can't I just use mplayer -fs %s in my Myth configuration?
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[08:19:00] metusine: why can't you?
[08:19:00] metusine: what does it do?
[08:22:00] Krazylegz: Nothing.
[08:22:00] Krazylegz: Sometimes it says "loading" and then comes right back to Myth.
[08:22:00] metusine: hahah
[08:22:00] metusine: k
[08:22:00] metusine: what i tend to do
[08:22:00] Krazylegz: It only says "loading" for a split second, though.
[08:22:00] metusine: is make a shell script and chuck it in /usr/local/bin
[08:23:00] metusine: that way you can print debug info if it's misbehaving
[08:23:00] metusine: i'd say though, you might want to try /usr/bin/mplayer -fs %s
[08:23:00] metusine: as it's probably just not finding it
[08:24:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, my next step was to do whereis mplayer.
[08:24:00] metusine: yeach
[08:24:00] Krazylegz: Heh, yeah, it's not where Myth thinks it is.
[08:24:00] metusine: yeah
[08:25:00] metusine: do that
[08:25:00] metusine: heh
[08:25:00] metusine: that'd do it
[08:25:00] Chutt: how could it not be where it thinks it is, unless you gave it the wrong path?
[08:26:00] Krazylegz: I didn't enter the path.
[08:27:00] Krazylegz: I'm using KnoppMyth, and I know I never entered that into Player Settings.
[08:27:00] Krazylegz: Working now. This is beautiful.
[08:27:00] Krazylegz: I think I'm going to cry. :-)
[08:28:00] Chutt: what, that it's running a crappy video player, that's not integrated at all into the rest of the ui, has no consistant keybindings/osd/etc?
[08:28:00] Chutt: yeah, that's beautiful
[08:28:00] Krazylegz: It's consistent enough for me.
[08:28:00] Krazylegz: I suppose you recommend a different player?
[08:28:00] Chutt: not really
[08:28:00] Chutt: the internal player generally works, though
[08:29:00] Krazylegz: I tried "Internal", but that didn't work.
[08:29:00] Krazylegz: Not sure why, but I'm open to being enlightened.
[08:29:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[08:30:00] Krazylegz: Maybe you'll agree that working is more beautiful than not working. :-)
[08:30:00] metusine: i didn't even know there was an internal player
[08:30:00] metusine: i think my was always set to mplayer
[08:31:00] metusine: does that use the same player as the tv tuner?
[08:31:00] Chutt: yes
[08:33:00] metusine: ah
[08:33:00] metusine: i think i'd prefer that over mplayer
[08:36:00] Krazylegz: Hmm, static in higher channels...
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[09:03:00] spellbound: anyone have experience installing the backend from rjune's packages?
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[09:08:00] daktak: after swiching from analogue to dvico cards, when i transcode to take out the commercials, it leaves in 10 seconds or so after the cut point .. try audio/timebase option?
[09:13:00] jay: mpegvideo.c: In function `ff_copy_bits':
[09:13:00] jay: mpegvideo.c:26: error: extended registers have no high halves
[09:13:00] jay: {standard input}: Assembler messages:
[09:13:00] jay: {standard input}:15144: Error: bad register name `%'
[09:13:00] jay: any idea how I can resolve that issue?
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[10:19:00] EL_Whistey: How do I limit the size of the collection of recordings?
[10:20:00] EL_Whistey: That is, how do I tell mythtv to delete old recordings to maintain some free space on the disk?
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[11:44:00] Puuhis: anyone know if http://www.cs.tut.fi/~pjaaskel/mythtv-dvb_subtitles/ is included to .deb packages already?
[11:44:00] Puuhis: (dvb subtitles patch)
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[11:55:00] johnp_: Puuhis:, not unless there's an svn snapshot build.
[11:56:00] Puuhis: who maintains those packages?
[11:57:00] Puuhis: oh, Matt Zimmerman
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[13:06:00] Puuhis: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2005-July/006767.html
[13:06:00] Puuhis: subtitle support is committed to svn.. now just need to get that to .deb package =|
[13:08:00] laga: Puuhis: that's easy
[13:09:00] laga: get the debian patch from the ml, apply it to the source, adjust things in the debian/rules file and build it.
[13:09:00] laga: with dpkg-buildpackage....
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[13:09:00] amorphix: hi guys
[13:09:00] Puuhis: haven't never done that, maybe I need to.. or is there coming new stable release soon?
[13:10:00] laga: nobody knows when the new release will come
[13:10:00] johnp_: I hope not, dvb is approaching hosed at the moment :/
[13:19:00] amorphix: hi
[13:20:00] amorphix: i have tv card working in Linux!!!!!!!
[13:20:00] amorphix: woohoo
[13:20:00] amorphix: i love the way you can capture sharp images
[13:20:00] amorphix: how long does it normally take to get Mythtv setup with a backend and frontend?
[13:21:00] Puuhis: depends how long it takes to type apt-get install mythtv :-)
[13:22:00] amorphix: is it quite fast then? ive seen people struggling for weeks in other channels
[13:22:00] johnp_: Actually running the thing, I think I've managed under two minutes, but then I've done it so often .......
[13:22:00] amorphix: incredible
[13:23:00] amorphix: thats good to hear i was expecting to have to invest alot of time
[13:23:00] johnp_: well that was before RSI set in.
[13:23:00] amorphix: ah you have RSI? i had that a few weeks back, very bad i had to stop work
[13:24:00] johnp_: I'm not typical though. I tend to have to junk the things quite often so I get a lot of practise :P
[13:24:00] amorphix: my advice to you is take regular breaks during work, like 10–15 mins every 2 hours, and 2 hrs break for lunch
[13:24:00] amorphix: its more or less stopped my RSI
[13:25:00] amorphix: try to relax more when you're typing, keep a relaxed posture
[13:26:00] johnp_: sorry, poor taste. I meant the amount of times I had to reconstruct the DB was high.
[13:27:00] Puuhis: hmm, my setup has lots of headaches.. now I'm trying to get 720x576 resolution to TV with GF2.. looks like that GF2 doesn't support that resolution to tv-out?
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[13:29:00] amorphix: oh
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[13:38:00] GreyFoxx: Puuhis: IT's just not one of the predefined modes. You need to give X a modeline for it in order to use it
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[13:43:00] _Lya_: good morning all
[13:43:00] Puuhis: GreyFoxx: I tried modelines too
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[13:44:00] _Lya_: i'm having trouble getting the auto expire to actually work...(using 0.18.1)
[13:44:00] _Lya_: does anyone have any ideas as to what could be the problem?
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[13:46:00] _Lya_: the DB is one that has been upgraded and I was wondering if that has anything to do with it.
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[13:49:00] EL_Whistey: How do I tell mythtv to delete old recordings to maintain some free space on the disk? Can I set a high/low water mark somewhere?
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: Puuhis: What does it say when you try to use the custom modeline? There should be something in the X Log about why it would be rejected
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: EL_Whistey: You can, I can't remember exactly where but there are options for that
[13:50:00] EL_Whistey: Thanks, GF. I shall investigate.
[13:50:00] _Lya_: EL_Whistey: it should be under general or playback in the settings.
[13:50:00] ** GreyFoxx heads to work **
[13:50:00] EL_Whistey: Knowing something is there is half the effort of finding it.
[13:51:00] _Lya_: EL_Whistey: look for something talking about deleting recordings set to auto expire when the disk has less than so many gigs left.
[13:52:00] _Lya_: its the top of one of the config screens, but not the first that you will see, so you'll hav eto hit "next" through them to find it
[13:52:00] EL_Whistey: AutoExpireDiskThreshold
[13:53:00] EL_Whistey: MinRecordDiskThreshold
[13:53:00] ** EL_Whistey checking the settings table. **
[13:59:00] _Lya_: AutoExpireDiskThreshold sounds like what you are looking for..I think minrecord is the minumum amount of disk space needed for mythtv to determine if it should record a new show.
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[14:01:00] amorphix: hi
[14:02:00] amorphix: is it possible to compress avi files saved in Microsoft MJPEG (AVI) format to make them smaller?
[14:03:00] amorphix: i have some video capture from my camcorder and its only 2 mins @ 384 x 336 and is about 20mb
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[14:04:00] EL_Whistey: update settings set data=600 where value="AutoExpireDiskThreshold"; .... and *done*
[14:05:00] EL_Whistey: Thank you Lya and GF.
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[14:09:00] amorphix: maybe im missing the point
[14:09:00] amorphix: or perhaps my gear isnt up to scratch
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[14:23:00] mmead: does anyone happen to remember the name of the set-top multimedia device that can be reflashed so that it will play mythtv shows?
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[14:28:00] amorphix: hi
[14:28:00] amorphix: is it possible to compress avi files saved in Microsoft MJPEG (AVI) format to make them smaller?
[14:30:00] fatmatt: amorphix: you'd need to re-encode them, it'd be google-able
[14:30:00] amorphix: okay cool
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[15:09:00] amorphix: hi
[15:12:00] XAD|off: hi...
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[15:14:00] ulitz: to load mtd at boot should I just add a line to rc.local of /usr/bin/mtd &?
[15:16:00] XAD|onoff: amorphix, regarding your question about how easy it is to install mythtv... it's pretty easy unless you have a tuner card beeing developed for, have the right video card, doesn't have a problematic chipset, don't have a fancy CPU, not using special PCI cards conflicting, have a stable OS to start with, doesn't have a "special" EPG that requires manual installation and configuration... ;-)
[15:18:00] XAD|onoff: ie, if it works out of the box, it's very easy.... otherwise it's....
[15:19:00] Cromz: a biotch!
[15:19:00] Cromz: :>
[15:20:00] Cromz: ulitz, how much linux you know? cause the more you know the easier it'll be. ;)
[15:20:00] XAD|onoff: but at least you can make it work (most of the times) and not as with Windows MCE, have the wrong hardware and your **cked...
[15:21:00] Cromz: very true..
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[15:22:00] Cromz: hmm I mean that how much linux to amorphix not ulitz
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[15:26:00] ulitz: I was going to say..
[15:26:00] ulitz: I tried doing /usr/bin/mtd > /dev/null and it didn't work right
[15:27:00] ulitz: just wondering how easy it would be to add another capture card?
[15:27:00] Cromz: ulitz, hmm how about adding /usr/bin/mtd -d > /etc/rc.d/rc.local
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[15:28:00] Cromz: not that hard but it can be tricky. if you don't watch which capture card loads first.
[15:29:00] ulitz: probably not going to do it.. don't really have a need yet
[15:29:00] ulitz: Cromz: I did /usr/bin/mtd & .. seems to work for me
[15:29:00] amorphix: XADlonoff thanks
[15:30:00] amorphix: XADlonoff: I'm using quite an early capture card unfortunately, a Hauppauge analog which doesnt do encoding, but the results are acceptable for what I want to do I think which is just watch TV across the network on other PC's
[15:32:00] ulitz: Cromz: just saw how jarod does it in his guide.. but my way seems to work like it
[15:32:00] XAD|onoff: amorphix, remember that this is the same issue as for all DIY solutions... either you find a software that someone with almost exactly the same hardware has used (or even coded for) or you will depend on a very good support (remember though that it is done on spare time for free so don't expect or demand to much)...
[15:33:00] ulitz: does anyone here have any experience with gnomemeeting?
[15:33:00] amorphix: will I still need to do encoding even tho I only want to watch tv and dont care to do timeshifting or recording?
[15:33:00] XAD|onoff: amorphix, often this is easier to get working (if your card is supported) as the new PVR150 and 500 cards requires the unstable ivtv drivers....
[15:33:00] Cromz: ulitz, yeah it will the & at the end just means to open in a new process and not a interactive console.
[15:33:00] amorphix: my card uses the bttv driver and is working fine, it seems to be very good picture quality
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[15:34:00] XAD|onoff: if you want to watch over the network you probably must as it is quite a lot of data to be moved otherwise...
[15:34:00] ulitz: alright athanks
[15:34:00] amorphix: i see
[15:34:00] XAD|onoff: what TV do you have?? regular CRT or flat??
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: Myth doesn't have a mode to view TV that doesn't get encoded. You could however execute and external app to playback the video that doesn't do encoding like xawtv
[15:35:00] GreyFoxx: but that's not something that would be streamable to another system
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[15:36:00] XAD|onoff: but if you only want to stream live TV over the net, I would say mythTV is an overkill...
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[15:36:00] amorphix: why?
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[15:37:00] amorphix: how can you watch tv across a LAN without mythtv?
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[15:37:00] amorphix: i use nfs and thought perhaps in theory its possible to use xawtv or something
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[15:37:00] amorphix: since i have a shared home folder and X config which i can access from anywhere on LAN
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[15:40:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: uncompressed it's just too much data
[15:41:00] GreyFoxx: And to my knowledge, unless it's been quite changed since last I looked at it, xawtv doesn't playback from a file so nfs wouldn't help you
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[15:44:00] XAD|onoff: amorphix, I know I seen these NetCamera solutions where they stream video from remote Cameras using TV-card... I think thats what you want and not the whole bigbang with mySQL database, EPG, ...
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[15:44:00] XAD|onoff: are you running linux or windows??
[15:44:00] amorphix: oh cool
[15:45:00] amorphix: I'm running Linux
[15:45:00] amorphix: 100% linux
[15:45:00] XAD|onoff: ok...
[15:45:00] XAD|onoff: have you looked at the opensource video streamers??
[15:46:00] amorphix: GreyFoxx thanks
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: all of which encode/compress the data
[15:46:00] amorphix: opensource video streamers, no i havent
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: So, why avoid the encoding? Not enough CPU in the box with the capture card ?
[15:46:00] amorphix: one of those could send my tvcard pictures across the network to a client?
[15:47:00] amorphix: GreyFoxx: exactly, its only a P3–733 and has 256mb
[15:47:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: something like vlc could , but it would be encoded/transcoded.
[15:47:00] GreyFoxx: You're not saving anything in CPU
[15:48:00] ulitz: just wondering if it is possible to stream video from a computer to another withouht having to do anything on the remote pc?
[15:48:00] amorphix: i dont mind too much about CPU since i wouldnt be using workstation when im watching tv, but im just wondering if its up to it? i mean its not a high spec PC
[15:48:00] GreyFoxx: and a 733 might be able to encode/stream a bttv card. As long as you weren't also trying to decode it on the same machine
[15:48:00] XAD|onoff: wich one is the remote?? ;-)
[15:49:00] amorphix: the remote is a laptop, a P3–600 with 398MB ram
[15:49:00] amorphix: also running Linux of course
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[15:50:00] amorphix: ive tried to encode some video captured from tv card already
[15:50:00] amorphix: it worked remarkably well at a small screen size but there was no sound..however i think that was due to config problem
[15:50:00] amorphix: the playback was smooth and picture quality good even at 15 fps
[15:51:00] ulitz: amorphix: like a networked computer
[15:51:00] amorphix: file size was huge tho, at 20mb for 2 mins approx..however that was not encoded
[15:51:00] amorphix: utilz yes
[15:51:00] ulitz: with the content being played on this computer onto another
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: amorphix: uhhh 20megabytes for 2 minutes is not large
[15:51:00] amorphix: in theory it should be possible eh
[15:52:00] amorphix: GreyFoxx: serious?
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: Dude, my 1 hour encodings ar about 2.6 GIGs
[15:52:00] amorphix: well that file was encoded even, using Microsoft JMPEG AVI format
[15:52:00] amorphix: woah
[15:52:00] amorphix: i did well then eh?
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: bah, I assumed you were discussing myth stuff
[15:52:00] amorphix: i used xawtv
[15:53:00] amorphix: well im in the process of deciding whether i need mythtv and how to proceed
[15:53:00] amorphix: i just got the card working first and its taken me a couple of weeks as i had 5 cards
[15:53:00] amorphix: im only using 1 card but i wasnt sure which was best so i purchased 5 assorted models
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: I hope they were cheap
[15:54:00] amorphix:
[15:54:00] amorphix: these are just basic cards, all using bt848 or bt878 chips
[15:55:00] amorphix: are you guys in USA?
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: Shoulda put that money toward a PVR250/150.
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: I'm Canadian
[15:55:00] amorphix: yes im wondering if perhaps that may have been the smarter thing to do
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: Hardware encoding is a very sweet thing
[15:56:00] amorphix: oh well the experience has been good and i can always upgrade later
[15:56:00] XAD|onoff: according to http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_goplus.html 733 is enough to do PVR so then you should be able to compress and stream it...
[15:56:00] GreyFoxx: true enough
[15:56:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: here's to being Canadian :)
[15:56:00] amorphix: thats cool
[15:56:00] amorphix: :)
[15:56:00] amorphix: what does PVR stand for?
[15:56:00] ** Beirdo raises a Tim Horton's coffee **
[15:56:00] ** GreyFoxx plays an mp3 of a canadian beer commercial **
[15:56:00] amorphix: personal video recorder?
[15:56:00] amorphix: hehe
[15:56:00] Beirdo: aye
[15:57:00] ulitz: amorphix: what would I use?
[15:57:00] XAD|onoff: so it is doing both encoding and decoding... not sure with what quality though...
[15:57:00] amorphix: ulitz thats a good question, but I noticed Gnome NetMeeting can stream video from a tv card
[15:57:00] amorphix: might be interesting to try that
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[15:58:00] amorphix: my 733 workstation would be dedicated to just encoding
[15:58:00] amorphix: i would use a different frontend machine to do decoding, either my laptop or workstation elsewhere
[15:59:00] ** Beirdo cues some Tourniquet... time to wake up from a long weekend **
[15:59:00] amorphix: has anyone tried Gnome NetMeeting for tv streaming over the internet?
[15:59:00] Beirdo: amorphix: WTF are you asking that for here?
[15:59:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:59:00] amorphix: just curious
[15:59:00] amorphix: i noticed it does detect tv card and can use it as video source
[15:59:00] XAD|onoff: amorph... have you googled?? ex. http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/ . . . 95&tid=4
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: http://pics.phaze.org/I_am_Canadian_-_New_Anthem.mp3
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:00:00] amorphix: Canadian beer
[16:00:00] GreyFoxx: I loved those commercials
[16:01:00] amorphix: thanks XADlonoff
[16:01:00] amorphix: its good to see there are options, perhaps mythtv may indeed be overkill for my own needs
[16:01:00] XAD|onoff: think Beirdo is saying, google... read... google. read... think... decide... if ( equal(answer, "mythtv") ) { "come back" } else { "don't ask here" }... ;-)
[16:01:00] Beirdo: I liked the one where the Canadian hauled the suit jacket over the dweeb's head and pounded him...
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: hahahahaha yeah
[16:02:00] Beirdo: Sooo Canadian, eh!
[16:02:00] amorphix: hehe i use google alot but its nice to see what other people have used in practical terms and get some insight
[16:02:00] XAD|onoff: but then of course I'm not sure if beer is more related to mythtv than your question... ;-)
[16:02:00] Beirdo: VLC might be your best if you're trying to stream
[16:02:00] amorphix: ok thanks Beirdo i will add that to my list
[16:02:00] GreyFoxx: vlc is pretty sweet, but again, it will use cpu
[16:02:00] Beirdo: at least worth looking at
[16:03:00] Beirdo: of course it will use CPU :)
[16:03:00] ** GreyFoxx is streaming livetv from home via vlc right now **
[16:03:00] ** Beirdo is playing Tourniquet from Windows Media Player **
[16:03:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:03:00] amorphix: ah yes, a smaller picture resolution might be ok tho and i wouldnt use my laptop for nothing else
[16:03:00] amorphix: cool
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv@woop:~$ ./streamlive.pl 9
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: streamlive.pl called for Channel :9:
[16:04:00] Beirdo: nothing like two guitars going like mad to wake you up in the morning
[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: -- Started
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[16:04:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:04:00] amorphix: i have a camcorder hooked into my tv card now and its setup on tripod filming outside
[16:04:00] Beirdo: streaming the neighbour's pool, are we?
[16:04:00] amorphix: surprisingly good sharp pix for analog cam and capture card, comparable to low end digital camera
[16:04:00] amorphix: but with a 14x optical zoom :)
[16:05:00] amorphix: haha im filming the antics of two squirrels which raid all the nuts in the bird feeders
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[16:05:00] Beirdo: squirrels are so annoying sometimes
[16:05:00] amorphix: those american grey ones are everywhere
[16:06:00] GreyFoxx: Squirrels I don't mind. It's raccoons that get on my nerves
[16:06:00] ** Beirdo hands amorphix an American .22 **
[16:06:00] amorphix: they even climb onto my balcony on 2nd floor
[16:06:00] amorphix: hehe
[16:06:00] XAD|onoff: so amorphix, are you a law student finding a case to present at university?? ;-)
[16:06:00] amorphix: no im just a linux geek with too much time on my hands
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: Man, I went to work on my new multimedia control panel last night only to find that I could find the power adapter for the screen. arghh. now I need to figure out the power requirements and get something from ratshack
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: couldn't
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: I had forgotten that I had a 15" lcd touch screen panel in a box in my basement from an old kiosk I had taken apart :)
[16:08:00] Beirdo: gah
[16:09:00] Beirdo: silly GreyFoxx
[16:09:00] fatmatt: GreyFoxx: are you working on a touchscreen control for myth?
[16:09:00] Beirdo: steal the power adapter next time too
[16:09:00] Beirdo: err.. "reclaim"
[16:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:09:00] XAD|onoff: lol...
[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: In fact I still have the metal case in my shed, and a second full unit at my old job in a closet. I'm going there tonight :)
[16:09:00] Beirdo: touchscreen for the mythbox in the kitchen would be sweet
[16:10:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: a company gave them to me. The fools were tossing them out, but they are perfectly fine. They just didn't want to keep them around
[16:10:00] Beirdo: cool
[16:10:00] XAD|onoff: what, was your old work in the closet... man....
[16:10:00] Beirdo: the unit needs to come out of the closet...
[16:10:00] XAD|onoff: what work was that... ;-)
[16:11:00] GreyFoxx: fatmatt: I'm going to twinview the tvoutput to the 15 touchscreen, but the touchscreen will be at a higher resolution. I'll just write an app that has control buttons that sites "around" the outer edges of myth.
[16:12:00] XAD|onoff: WTF, Grey... give them to me and put some old buttons around your screen... ;-)
[16:12:00] GreyFoxx: not likely :)
[16:13:00] GreyFoxx: I should have plenty of space for all of the controls I want and a couple displays for other info
[16:15:00] charlesv: hooray! my useless air2pc cards should come today!
[16:18:00] fatmatt: I've got an gforce mx2, can i twinview the vga and tv out on that?
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: no idea
[16:19:00] GreyFoxx: I would imagine you could, but you will have to just try and see :)
[16:20:00] fatmatt: or better, run a new xsession on that vga so I could put another frontend in without a new pc
[16:20:00] GreyFoxx: You could certianly do that
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[16:21:00] fatmatt: need some sort of virtual sound controller, theres only 1 datbase entry for tv sound, even if I put another sound card in
[16:26:00] GeckoFiend: fatmatt why would there need to be a second for another sound card? You tell myth what output device to use and what mixer device to use so you only need one volume setting
[16:29:00] fatmatt: if I was running 2 frontends on the one machine,
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[16:36:00] jspotjj: does anyone know if mythphone actually builds with festival support? I looked at the mythplugins configure script and it is hardcoded to look for festival in Pauls home directory?
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[16:42:00] laga: http://pastebin.ca/19085 <- has anyone seen this error before?
[16:42:00] tyce: is there a 'supported cards' page somewhere on mythtv.org?
[16:42:00] laga: tyce: try mythtv.info
[16:42:00] tyce: ahh, thanks
[16:42:00] laga: my problem is that i can't compile mythtv ;)
[16:42:00] laga: tcbu the hauppauge pvr 250 do a good job. the 150/500 are trickier to set up
[16:43:00] Beirdo: the unit needs to come out of the closet...
[16:43:00] Beirdo: dammit
[16:43:00] Beirdo: wrong window
[16:44:00] tyce: laga: do you know if there is support for the WinTV-PVR-500MCE in the works?
[16:44:00] Beirdo: in the works?!
[16:44:00] Beirdo: ivtv
[16:44:00] laga: tyce: i think so, if we're talking about the hauppauge one.
[16:44:00] tyce: it already works?
[16:44:00] laga: tyce: ivtv.sf.net and ivtv.tv
[16:45:00] tyce: nice, just saw this deal and was thinking about upgrading: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=103 . . . p;adid=17662
[16:45:00] tyce: $132 seems like a good deal for dual tuner
[16:47:00] tyce: anyone had any luck/problems with that card?
[16:48:00] Baylink: Check the list archives; it runs hot and cold
[16:49:00] tyce: will do, thank you
[16:50:00] XAD|onoff: tyce, yes and yes... ;-)
[16:51:00] Beirdo: some people have no issues, some have no end of them
[16:51:00] Beirdo: whether that's a card model issue, a PEBCAK issue, or what.... who knows?
[16:52:00] XAD|onoff: you need to be carefull with what unstable version you are using... and you should update it when new versions comes out but also be prepared to revert to the last one working for you...
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[16:54:00] tyce: thanks for the input, maybe I'll hold off a bit before taking my box down for another week :)
[16:55:00] XAD|onoff: I have been using it for a couple of months now (using the PAL-version)... if you find a working version then it's pretty stable to be unstable... but it took some time to get it to work (beeing new to Debian/Knoppix and MythTV)...
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[16:56:00] XAD|onoff: it's nice having double tuners though... be able to use timeshifting and record at the same time...
[16:58:00] tyce: yeah, my shuttlePC that Im using only has 1 pci slot, so this would be a great solution
[17:04:00] charlesv: i wish my current HD Tuner had firewire out. that would make things a bit easier
[17:05:00] fatmatt: what digital tuners have firewaire atm?
[17:06:00] charlesv: well i mean my STB
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[17:15:00] fryfrog: anyone ever muck about with a gforce 6200TC in linux/x/myth?
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[17:29:00] travolta: fryfrog, whats the problem?
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[17:34:00] fryfrog: oh, duh
[17:34:00] fryfrog: i'm retarded
[17:34:00] fryfrog: i was just looking for opinions on it
[17:34:00] fryfrog: its a smidge late now, as i've ordered one with my new "server"
[17:35:00] fryfrog: but it'd be nice to know how well it did with hd content and such
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[17:38:00] pirre: linuxbutikken.no are selling the 6200TC, might be a good sign
[17:39:00] pirre: (butikken == store)
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[18:22:00] [Xander]: anyone in here have experience with multi-back configuration? I have a single pvr350 in my master backend, and 2 pvr 150's in a slave backend. The master backend sees the tuners of the slave, but says they are unavailable. I don't know how to troubleshoot.
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[19:20:00] HenkPoley: I get a nice error on my remote frontend: 2005-08–02 19:18:24.838 Connecting to backend server: mythtv.local:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[19:20:00] HenkPoley: The machine is obviously there, and I can telnet to the port
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[19:21:00] fatmatt: has the frontend worked before? or is this the first time?
[19:21:00] HenkPoley: If I kill the telnet connection and no other frontend is connected the backend will then shutdown after some timeout
[19:22:00] HenkPoley: The frontend has worked before, but back then I used IP addresses
[19:22:00] HenkPoley: ..but since I use DHCP that began to suck..
[19:22:00] Chutt: use an ip address.
[19:22:00] fatmatt: you can set static ip addresses to particular machines
[19:23:00] fatmatt: using DHCP
[19:23:00] HenkPoley: I hope so, never found that option on my ADSL router :o)
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[19:24:00] HenkPoley: Anyways, why doesn't it work with a hostname?
[19:24:00] Chutt: because it doesn't do a lookup
[19:24:00] Chutt: and the helptext tells you to use an ip address
[19:24:00] HenkPoley: It does work on the backend/frontend side
[19:25:00] HenkPoley: Does the frontend just check if a backend is running on the same machine without checking the IP?
[19:25:00] Chutt: no
[19:25:00] HenkPoley: then why would it work?
[19:25:00] Chutt: it doesn't
[19:25:00] fatmatt: HenkPoley: you could turn off dhcp on the router and use another machine on the network to assign ip addresses,
[19:25:00] HenkPoley: Tell that to my system..
[19:25:00] Chutt: use a fucking ip address
[19:25:00] fatmatt: if your router is limited
[19:26:00] HenkPoley: Thanks for the kind answer Chutt
[19:26:00] Chutt: thanks for listening to me 5 minutes ago
[19:27:00] fryfrog: just cause your router issues ips via dhcp doesn't mean you have to get your ip that way
[19:28:00] fryfrog: if your router assigns .1 – .50, simply use .51 (or anything beyond) as a static ip on your mythbox
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[19:30:00] Chutt: why do people bother asking for help, if they're not going to listen to the answers?
[19:30:00] rabies: im running mythtv at 1920x1080 and when i try using the randr support to switch to a 720x480 resolution for the actual tv all it does is zoom into a corner of the tv instead of viewing the whole thing
[19:30:00] rabies: if i run mythtv at 720x480 the tv displays correctly, but the menus are a lower res then i want
[19:31:00] fryfrog: i dunno, but i see it all the time :)
[19:31:00] rabies: really?
[19:32:00] fryfrog: oops
[19:32:00] fryfrog: that was a reply to Chutt  :)
[19:32:00] rabies: its the non-free nvidia drivers
[19:32:00] rabies: k
[19:32:00] fryfrog: rabies: could it be that its using the zoom in thing in X?
[19:32:00] fryfrog: ummm
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[19:32:00] rabies: i suppose, but i dont know how to turn it out
[19:32:00] rabies: s/out/off/
[19:32:00] Chutt: what are you displaying on?
[19:32:00] fryfrog: when i run xconfigurator, it asks me "do you want a screen size smaller than the physical size"
[19:33:00] rabies: HDTV
[19:33:00] Chutt: why bother with switching to the lower res?
[19:33:00] rabies: fryfrog: so there should be a way to turn it off?
[19:33:00] fryfrog: yar, why do you switch rez at all?
[19:33:00] rabies: cause mythtv freezes the computer if i try running it at 1920x1080
[19:33:00] rabies: its lowdef tv unfortuately
[19:33:00] rabies: cept for a few channels
[19:33:00] Chutt: how's it freeze the computer?
[19:33:00] fryfrog: ahhhhh
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[19:34:00] rabies: sceen goes black and thats the end of it
[19:34:00] Chutt: i'd think you'd want to fix that, instead
[19:34:00] rabies: if i knew how i'd be happy to
[19:34:00] Chutt: video card's likely got better scaling than the tv does
[19:34:00] rabies: if mythtv runs at 1920x1080 the video is gonna be tiny
[19:35:00] fryfrog: it'll scale it
[19:35:00] rabies: hasnt so far
[19:35:00] fryfrog: oh
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[19:35:00] fryfrog: weird
[19:35:00] rabies: and i have NFI on how to fix it
[19:35:00] fryfrog: what kind of hdtv btw?
[19:36:00] rabies: SONY 50XBR
[19:36:00] rabies: SONY 50XBR800
[19:37:00] Chutt: why on earth are you displaying 1080i on that?
[19:37:00] fryfrog: 50"?
[19:37:00] rabies: what do you mean?
[19:37:00] rabies: yes, 50 inches
[19:37:00] fryfrog: neat
[19:37:00] Chutt: it's only capable of 720p
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[19:37:00] fryfrog: i've got a sony but only 30"
[19:38:00] fryfrog: and 720p looks far better than 1080i on it
[19:38:00] rabies: it displays 1080 quite well for something only supporting 720p
[19:38:00] rabies: not w/ my experience
[19:38:00] Chutt: so you're scaling everything up to 1080i and then the tv's scaling everything down to 720p
[19:38:00] Chutt: a native 1:1 res would look much sharper
[19:38:00] rabies: look, i've tried 720p, and it looks shitty
[19:38:00] Chutt: especially in the menus
[19:38:00] rabies: and where does it say that 1080i isnt supported?
[19:38:00] Chutt: with what?
[19:38:00] rabies: dude
[19:38:00] Chutt: it's just dumb to display non-native res stuff on an lcd
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[19:39:00] fryfrog: er, i just meant that 1080i looked worse on *my* tv than 720p
[19:39:00] rabies: the tv supports 1080i
[19:39:00] Chutt: so, so does mine
[19:39:00] Chutt: but it's 720p native, so that's what i feed it
[19:39:00] rabies: its native resolution is 1080i, not 720p
[19:39:00] Chutt: no it's not
[19:39:00] rabies: yes, it is
[19:39:00] rabies: unless you can prove otherwise
[19:39:00] Chutt: prove it
[19:39:00] rabies: its my tv, i dont have to
[19:39:00] Chutt: he KF-50XBR800 shares the same three 1,366-by-768 LCD panels for its image projection.
[19:40:00] rabies: where does it say this?
[19:40:00] Chutt: first google hit for the model number
[19:40:00] amorphix: i love mythtv
[19:40:00] rabies: and i TRIED 1366x768 for a resolution and its cruddy looking in X
[19:40:00] rabies: im not going to use a resolution that looks like shit and deos even take up the whole screen
[19:40:00] Chutt: doubt you had the modeline right, then
[19:40:00] rabies: then give me the right one
[19:40:00] Chutt: why?
[19:40:00] Chutt: it's _your_ tv
[19:40:00] fryfrog: speaking of modeline, what is a good way to find a modeline for a tv?
[19:40:00] rabies: ...
[19:41:00] Chutt: fryfrog, manual for the tv
[19:41:00] rabies: Chutt: you know a lot for something who knows nothing
[19:41:00] Chutt: i don't have the product manual for your tv, moron
[19:41:00] fryfrog: hes just hitting you with a taste of your own medicine :)
[19:41:00] rabies: this is sony dumbass
[19:41:00] rabies: they dont give you specs
[19:41:00] Chutt: so how exactly am i supposed to look up the sync info?
[19:41:00] fryfrog: what are you looking for in the manual?
[19:41:00] rabies: they dont even give me hsync and vsync info
[19:41:00] rabies: only reason i know it is cause of some shitty nv compatibility hack
[19:42:00] Chutt: so, use dvi and grab the edid. it's got a decent chance of being mostly right
[19:42:00] rabies: look, it HAS no edid
[19:42:00] Chutt: heh
[19:42:00] rabies: none, caphice?
[19:42:00] Chutt: so it's broken? :p
[19:42:00] rabies: no, it works fine
[19:42:00] rabies: this is SONY
[19:42:00] fryfrog: how do you get an edid with dvi?
[19:42:00] rabies: the single most proprietary company in the world
[19:42:00] Chutt: fryfrog, you start x =)
[19:42:00] rabies: they dont give out any info
[19:43:00] rabies: the vsync is 59–61 and the hsync is 15–49 if you must know
[19:43:00] Chutt: it's in the startup info
[19:43:00] fryfrog: oh, so x will probe and all you gotta do is pick your reso like normal?
[19:43:00] rabies: max dot clock 80
[19:43:00] fryfrog: i use DVI->HDMI cable anyway, so i hope it won't be a problem
[19:43:00] rabies: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[19:43:00] Chutt: yeah, unless it's wrong
[19:43:00] rabies: Chutt: i tried a ton of modeline generators
[19:43:00] rabies: Chutt: none work
[19:43:00] Chutt: which it is on my projector, but it was close enough that minor changes got it exact
[19:44:00] rabies: Chutt: the TV told me that its native res is 1920x1080 over edid
[19:44:00] rabies: but i dont even know if thats right cause the non-free nvidia driver's edid is screwed up
[19:44:00] rabies: and i dont know if i should trust the nv's edid
[19:44:00] fryfrog: what do you mean "non-free"?
[19:45:00] fryfrog: non-free as in, not gpl? or paid?
[19:45:00] rabies: theres only 1 nvidia driver
[19:45:00] rabies: other than nv
[19:45:00] opello: they're not open source, and they're licensed
[19:45:00] fryfrog: thats what i thought
[19:46:00] fryfrog: i just wasn't sure if you mean't non-free as in not-gpl or maybe someone actually wrote some drivers that cost moeny
[19:47:00] rabies: just non-gpl
[19:47:00] rabies: Chutt: try being helpful instead of just telling me that im wrong all the time
[19:47:00] Chutt: naw, that's no fun
[19:47:00] rabies: heh
[19:47:00] rabies: i know, flaming w/o any real brain can be fun
[19:48:00] rabies: though its frusterating for me
[19:48:00] Chutt: besides, _if_ you got a 1:1 mapping going, it'd look a hell of a lot better
[19:48:00] rabies: _if_ that was possible, yes
[19:48:00] rabies: _if_ i knew how, yes
[19:48:00] rabies: _if_ the tv would actually accept 720p resolution and display it right, yes
[19:49:00] rabies: time to try 1184x666
[19:49:00] rabies: the devil's resolution...
[19:49:00] Chutt: sounds like someone was trying to get around overscan
[19:50:00] rabies: yes, and i am too
[19:50:00] Chutt: naw, you don't want to do that
[19:50:00] Chutt: the myth ui positioning can handle it fine
[19:50:00] Chutt: and you want overscan for video playback
[19:52:00] fatmatt: for some reason I'm chopping off the bottom 1cm of picture when I play the digital recordings
[19:52:00] Chutt: oh, and btw, the randr stuff can be pretty iffy depending on the driver version
[19:52:00] fatmatt: slightly anoying when theres subtitles
[19:52:00] Chutt: it really doesn't like switching to/from 1080i from what a lot of people have said
[19:53:00] Chutt: Xv gets all confused as to where it's supposed to display
[19:53:00] laga: re
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[19:54:00] fatmatt: Chutt: is the mythtv positioning iu new?
[19:55:00] Chutt: well, if by 'new' you mean 'several years', yes
[19:55:00] fatmatt: its the bit in the menu with the x and y offset stuff? ahh okay,
[19:55:00] fatmatt: thought maybe there was something that would let me drag the display around
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[19:57:00] rabies_: hey!
[19:57:00] rabies_: im on the tv!
[19:57:00] rabies_: woo
[19:57:00] rabies_: still crappy res!
[19:57:00] rabies_: and i cant use randar right!
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[19:58:00] Chutt: heh
[19:59:00] rabies_: wow, im happy
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[19:59:00] rabies_: not!
[20:00:00] Chutt: Chutt oh, and btw, the randr stuff can be pretty iffy depending on the driver version
[20:00:00] Chutt: Chutt it really doesn't like switching to/from 1080i from what a lot of people have said
[20:00:00] Chutt: Chutt Xv gets all confused as to where it's supposed to display
[20:00:00] Chutt: trac really needs a field for the duplicate bug #
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:01:00] ** kormoc nods **
[20:01:00] rabies_: heh
[20:01:00] rabies_: so thats my problem eh?
[20:02:00] Chutt: most likely
[20:02:00] Chutt: which is why i asked why you weren't just displaying it at the menu res
[20:03:00] rabies_: right
[20:03:00] rabies_: well its cause mythtv crashed my comp
[20:03:00] Chutt: heh
[20:04:00] rabies_: well im using 1360x720
[20:04:00] rabies_: its really shakey
[20:04:00] rabies_: but it works
[20:04:00] rabies_: i wish i could do 1366x768
[20:04:00] rabies_: but the modeline gen wont let me
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: Is there anyway when defining a buttongroup in a theme to specify exactly where each individual button is located? I can define an area, and info about the side of each button area, but would rather specify "display 5 buttons from the list, button 1 at x/y with wxh size, button 2 at x2/y2 etyc etc"
[20:05:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, no
[20:05:00] Chutt: for the menus?
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[20:05:00] Chutt: it's because it needs to deal with 1–6 buttons
[20:05:00] GreyFoxx: yeah. I want to align the active/inactive images and text in exact locations
[20:06:00] GreyFoxx: right now I have it displaying only 5 options and of course as I scroll I get the others, I just want to keep them in specific locations :)
[20:06:00] rabies_: Chutt: there a way to do 1366x768?
[20:06:00] Chutt: should be, but it'd be up to the x server
[20:07:00] rabies_: what res do you recomend?
[20:07:00] Chutt: whatever's native =)
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: Like for instance I have a visible row limit, and I just want to control where those 5 are on the screen. (yeah I know I'm repeating myself :) )
[20:07:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, add it to #12
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: Woo!
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:08:00] Chutt: trac also needs sub-bugs
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[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: Did you say that you were not going to use QT's mng support for animated images?
[20:09:00] Chutt: right
[20:09:00] Chutt: need alpha transparency
[20:09:00] GreyFoxx: gotcha
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[20:10:00] laga: transparency *drool*
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[20:14:00] Beirdo: beer... drooool
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[20:15:00] rabies_: hey
[20:15:00] rabies_: crashed again!
[20:15:00] rabies_: huzzah
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[20:15:00] laga: bless xa
[20:15:00] laga: ya*
[20:15:00] rabies_: iguess it cant scale in 720p either
[20:16:00] laga: transparent beer *drool*
[20:16:00] rabies_: shuttheh
[20:16:00] rabies_: oops
[20:16:00] rabies_: chutt
[20:16:00] rabies_: Chutt: you ther?
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[20:21:00] rabies: Chutt: hellooo
[20:21:00] rabies: :)
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[20:22:00] Chutt: sorry, was upgrading trac :p
[20:23:00] Beirdo: rabies: try being less demanding of the free help you're getting, eh? :)
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[20:26:00] Chutt: welp, that didn't work entirely correctly
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[20:30:00] rtsai: OT: I just have to say, "kibitz", I don't know where you've been all my life.
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[20:46:00] rabies: Beirdo: those who dont demand dont recieve :)
[20:47:00] Beirdo: those who piss Chutt off... definitely don't receive.
[20:47:00] Beirdo: so be careful :)
[20:47:00] laga: they do. trouts.
[20:47:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:47:00] rabies: lol
[20:48:00] rabies: Chutt: well kind sir, i thought you should know that 720p does not scale any better than 1320, and xrandr isnt any better at going to 720x480
[20:48:00] rabies: Beirdo: and have you ever made a modeline?
[20:48:00] Beirdo: a LONG time ago
[20:48:00] rabies: i see i see
[20:48:00] rabies: you know what 720p is?
[20:48:00] rabies: or 1080i?
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[20:48:00] Beirdo: back when I had a fixed sync busted monitor
[20:49:00] Beirdo: google does
[20:49:00] rabies: im asking if you do
[20:49:00] Beirdo: yeah
[20:49:00] rabies: okay...
[20:49:00] Beirdo: not precise resolutions as I don't care right now, I have no HDTV
[20:49:00] rabies: and have you ever had to use xrandr?
[20:49:00] Beirdo: nope
[20:49:00] rabies: k
[20:50:00] rabies: just seeing if you knew anything that could be useful atm, i guess not
[20:50:00] rabies: thems the breaks
[20:54:00] ** rabies twidles his fingerw **
[20:56:00] rabies: xrandr zooms, why is this?
[20:56:00] Beirdo: gooooogle
[20:56:00] rabies: Beirdo: go back to your cave
[20:56:00] rabies: Beirdo: if you dont know anything shaddup! =P
[20:56:00] laga: uh-oh
[20:57:00] rabies: what?
[20:57:00] laga: nm
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[20:57:00] BMOC: xris: may i pick ure brain, sir?
[20:57:00] Beirdo: hey, rabies... get a clue :)
[20:57:00] ** rabies mutters **
[20:57:00] ** Beirdo slaps rabies with a trout **
[20:57:00] rabies: Beirdo: i have one , i just blocked google :)
[20:57:00] ** rabies takes revenge with the 10-foot pole **
[20:58:00] Beirdo: we aren't into spoonfeeding around here
[20:58:00] ** laga spoonfeeds some beer to beirdo **
[20:58:00] rabies: Beirdo: na, you're into shoving it up the wrong end arent you
[20:58:00] BMOC: Beirdo: do you use nuv2disc.sh?
[20:58:00] Beirdo: just ask BMOC, he knows all about that... welcome back, BMOC
[20:58:00] rabies: =P
[20:58:00] Beirdo: BMOC: no
[20:58:00] BMOC: how about nuvexport?
[20:58:00] Beirdo: jams likely does
[20:58:00] Beirdo: I use nuvexport
[20:58:00] BMOC: jams: do you use nuv2disc.sh?
[20:59:00] rabies: BMOC: hey, you know why if im using 1320x768 xrandr it would zoom into mythtv's corner?
[20:59:00] Beirdo: rabies: if you can't behave, please go away and leave the channel to the people who aren't a PITA :)
[20:59:00] BMOC: "corner"?
[20:59:00] rabies: BMOC: upper left hand one to be exact
[20:59:00] Beirdo: rabies: I meant he'd know about us not being into spoonfeeding, but he might know that too :)
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[20:59:00] rabies: BMOC: going from 1320x768 to 720x480
[20:59:00] BMOC: does it do it for the regular gui, or just when watching tv?
[20:59:00] rabies: just tv
[20:59:00] rabies: Beirdo: thats the hope :)
[21:00:00] BMOC: have you tried adjusting the resolution to whatever the gui is using, to test?
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: That sounds quite like a bug I've seen several times on the nvidia linux forums
[21:00:00] rabies: BMOC: okay, heres the whole story:
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[21:00:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx: he's kinda allergic to looking things up, I think
[21:00:00] rabies: im using nvidia's non-free drivers w/ a GeForce 6200 hooked up to a sony 50xbr800's DVI-I port
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[21:01:00] rabies: i have set the modeline to 1320x768 and am running mythfrontend from that resolution
[21:01:00] BMOC: the frontend looks ok?
[21:01:00] rabies: if i go straight to "watch tv' the screen blacks out and the comp freezes
[21:01:00] rabies: frontend looks great
[21:01:00] BMOC: what card are you using?
[21:01:00] rabies: geforce 6200, PVR150
[21:01:00] Beirdo: sounds like a driver bug
[21:01:00] BMOC: oh haha
[21:01:00] BMOC: i had that problem
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[21:01:00] BMOC: this is for livetv, right?
[21:01:00] rabies: er, yeah
[21:02:00] BMOC: yeah, that's answered in the forum:)
[21:02:00] BMOC: hold
[21:02:00] fourcheeze: does mythtv use transcode ?
[21:02:00] rabies: if i use the 720x480 modeline it looks fine
[21:02:00] rabies: BMOC: thanks
[21:02:00] BMOC: edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/mythbackend
[21:02:00] BMOC: start() {
[21:02:00] BMOC: echo -n $"Starting $prog: "
[21:02:00] BMOC: find that
[21:02:00] BMOC: and add below it
[21:02:00] BMOC: /sbin/modprobe ivtv
[21:02:00] BMOC: livetv worked for me after that
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: BMOC I think that's a completely different problem :)
[21:03:00] rabies: BMOC: ivtv is probed and working fine :)
[21:03:00] BMOC: look on mythtvtalk
[21:03:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: er yeah...it is
[21:03:00] kormoc: BMOC, erm, there's usually a better place to tell your distro to autoload a module.
[21:03:00] BMOC: rabies: yeah, you think so, huh?
[21:03:00] rabies: BMOC: yup yup
[21:03:00] BMOC: apparently no one here has read about that thread
[21:03:00] rabies: this is a res issue
[21:03:00] rabies: can i see that url?
[21:03:00] BMOC: hold
[21:03:00] BMOC: i had the same exact symptoms
[21:03:00] BMOC: as did tons of other people
[21:03:00] rabies: all the nvidia users eh? :)
[21:03:00] kormoc: BMOC, your issue was your distro wasn't set up to load the ivtv module, that's a common one that's solved usually very different.
[21:03:00] BMOC: all the fedora users
[21:04:00] BMOC: regardless of video card
[21:04:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow **
[21:04:00] BMOC: kormoc not according to the forums
[21:04:00] kormoc: if that's how you fixed it, I can garentee that it is.
[21:04:00] BMOC: hold, i'm getting the url
[21:04:00] rabies: k, thx
[21:04:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: any ideas?
[21:04:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: you seem to have a grasp of the problem :)
[21:04:00] fourcheeze: anyone here using myth on amd64 ?
[21:04:00] ** rabies crosses his fingers **
[21:04:00] GreyFoxx: rabies: <GreyFoxx> That sounds quite like a bug I've seen several times on the nvidia linux forums
[21:05:00] BMOC: does the livetv eventually quit, rabies?
[21:05:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: yeah, i know
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: I'm not gonna go search it for for you :)
[21:05:00] rabies: BMOC: if i wait about 10 minutes it might let me go to another tty
[21:05:00] rabies: depends on my luck
[21:05:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: heh
[21:05:00] BMOC: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=827
[21:05:00] kormoc: rabies, are you using dualhead? is it a overlay issue by chance?
[21:05:00] BMOC: i use ivtv
[21:05:00] BMOC: and the related link
[21:05:00] BMOC: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1147
[21:06:00] rabies: kormoc: right now its using a singleheaded setup, only 1 monitor
[21:06:00] rabies: BMOC: thx
[21:06:00] rabies: kormoc: i dont think its an overlay issue, though i dunno how to check
[21:06:00] BMOC: rabies: what distro?
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[21:07:00] rabies: debian sarge
[21:07:00] kormoc: BMOC, for example, in gentoo I add ivtv to my /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 and it loads on boot, and one doesn't need to mess with init.d scripts or things like that
[21:07:00] rabies: for me its /etc/modules
[21:07:00] Chutt: <gasp> you need to load the ivtv modules before you can use them?
[21:07:00] GreyFoxx: *snort*
[21:07:00] Chutt: that's crazy talk!
[21:07:00] BMOC: kormoc the problem is, that didn't work for the issue in the threads
[21:07:00] kormoc: BMOC, what modprobe does is load a module, not fix studdering tv...
[21:07:00] BMOC: and i can attest personally to that
[21:07:00] rabies: works fine for me
[21:07:00] rabies: thats not the problem
[21:07:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow **
[21:07:00] rabies: for me its a video type issue
[21:07:00] BMOC: kormoc i'm not going to argue with you, you can read the thread, other people had the same issue.
[21:08:00] ** GreyFoxx laughs so hard he snorts his water over his desk **
[21:08:00] rabies: GreyFoxx: heh, could you at least tell me which forum? :)
[21:08:00] Chutt: the people in the thread are wrong
[21:08:00] Chutt: rabies, nvnews.net
[21:08:00] BMOC: rabies: i don't know if it's the same problem, it just sounds similar to what i had. livetv blacked out or froze, and eventually quit
[21:08:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[21:08:00] BMOC: Chutt: gee, the solution there worked, but they are wrong?
[21:08:00] BMOC: sorry if i don't go with you on this one:)
[21:08:00] rabies: i wonder if i update my drivers it'll fix it
[21:08:00] Chutt: yes, if you're saying that the people here are wrong
[21:08:00] rabies: im using older debian packaged drivers
[21:08:00] kormoc: BMOC, then you likly shouldn't trust his software to work right, should you?
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[21:08:00] BMOC: who's software?
[21:09:00] GreyFoxx: BMOC: You are missing the point. the problem he is having is DISPLAY DRIVER related, not CAPTURE DRIVER
[21:09:00] kormoc: BMOC, chutt's the lead dev of mythtv.
[21:09:00] Chutt: my software
[21:09:00] Chutt: ie, mythtv?
[21:09:00] BMOC: BMOC: rabies: i don't know if it's the same problem, it just sounds similar to what i had. livetv blacked out or froze, and eventually quit
[21:09:00] rabies: bah, i have to register
[21:09:00] BMOC: GreyFoxx: how am i missing a point? i just said it may not be the same thing
[21:09:00] Chutt: what you're doing is just loading the module before trying to use it
[21:09:00] Chutt: there are _better_ ways to do that than sticking it in the mythbackend init script
[21:09:00] rabies: BMOC: yeah, symptoms are similar, but the underlying problem is different
[21:10:00] BMOC: Chutt: what do you recommend?
[21:10:00] BMOC: load ivtv in rc.local or whatever?
[21:10:00] Chutt: using whatever method your distro has of loading modules on boot
[21:10:00] BMOC: yeah, tried that, didn't do it
[21:10:00] Chutt: then you did it wrong
[21:10:00] rabies: BMOC: what you are doing is loading ivtv (the firmware loading module) right before using the program, you should put it in your module loader config...
[21:10:00] kormoc: rabies, have you disabled XVMC? what's your xvinfo say?
[21:10:00] GreyFoxx: BMOC: But you kept telling we were wrong when we said that what you were referring to is not what he was having problems with :)
[21:10:00] rabies: kormoc: let me check
[21:10:00] BMOC: Chutt: amazingly, every other module i've ever done that for worked
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[21:10:00] Chutt: perhaps you were running the backend script too soon?
[21:11:00] BMOC: the module had to be loaded before the backend script
[21:11:00] Chutt: no shit
[21:11:00] BMOC: if you put it in rc.local, it was not
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: I usually place stuff in rc.local or other scripts loaded by rc.local. So in this case rc.ivtv  :)
[21:11:00] BMOC: GreyFoxx: can't do it that way, that's what i did
[21:11:00] BMOC: but the order got messed up that way
[21:11:00] Chutt: so fix the order
[21:11:00] kormoc: BMOC, what distro?
[21:11:00] GreyFoxx: BMOC: Yes I can, considering I also call rc.mythtv AFTER rc.ivtv
[21:12:00] BMOC: kormoc well, mythbackend is called before rc.local script(Which is what is editable for such things)
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[21:12:00] rabies_: okay
[21:12:00] Chutt: so fix it so that it's called after rc.local
[21:12:00] BMOC: kormoc fc4
[21:12:00] Chutt: it shouldn't be starting that early, anyway
[21:12:00] rabies_: kormoc: i get output from xvinfo
[21:12:00] rabies_: kormoc: looks like XVMC is loaded, if you want i can give you the full output or the tail output somewhere
[21:13:00] kormoc: BMOC, you should put the module to load in rc.modules which is run before other rc scripts.
[21:13:00] kormoc: rabies, nah, that's okay, as long as it looks good
[21:13:00] BMOC: kormoc fc4 doesn't have rc.modules
[21:13:00] rabies_: Chutt: you know you're right, 1320x768 doesnt looks so bad, but 1080i still looks better
[21:13:00] BMOC: at least, by default.
[21:13:00] rabies_: :)
[21:13:00] Chutt: rabies, yeah, it must be scaling still
[21:13:00] rabies_: Chutt: probably is, native is 1366x768 which is a weird res
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[21:14:00] charlesv: my useless air2pc cards are here! :D
[21:14:00] rabies_: kormoc: how do i check if its a overlay issue?
[21:14:00] charlesv: though i installed one briefly in my wife's windows machine and it appears to at least get some of the HD in the area
[21:14:00] BMOC: Chutt: do you make dvds from recordings?
[21:15:00] rabies_: kormoc: should i disable xv?
[21:15:00] charlesv: theyr'e 5V so I can't put them in my g5 and try them with those drivers :/
[21:15:00] Chutt: no
[21:15:00] kormoc: rabies_, likly not, but I'd try to disable xvmc and see what happens
[21:16:00] BMOC: does anyone here make dvds from recordings?:)
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[21:17:00] rabies_: kormoc: k, give me a sec
[21:17:00] kormoc: BMOC, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel- . . . sg00044.html
[21:17:00] fourcheeze: so then, no-one using an athlon64 cpu for mythtv?
[21:17:00] rabies_: kormoc: btw, where do i disable it again? :)
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: These are the init scripts I use for starting my box. All with options to disable any piece during system bootup if I want to avoid loading a troublesome part. http://pastebin.ca/19119
[21:18:00] kormoc: rabies_, in the myth frontend under settings in playback iirc
[21:18:00] rabies_: ohh, in mythtv
[21:18:00] rabies_: okay
[21:18:00] BMOC: hey kormoc what's in your rc.modules?
[21:19:00] BMOC: just the module name, or /sbin/modprobe modulename?
[21:19:00] kormoc: /sbin/modprobe modulename iirc
[21:19:00] BMOC: k thx
[21:19:00] BMOC: what perms do you have on it?
[21:19:00] rabies_: sec
[21:19:00] BMOC: chmod +x?
[21:19:00] kormoc: yup
[21:20:00] BMOC: thx, i am trying that now
[21:20:00] BMOC: i don't know what the deal is with modprobe.conf and ivtv
[21:21:00] rabies_: kormoc: well xv controls are disabled, is that what you mean?
[21:21:00] kormoc: rabies_, hrm? they are disabled? any preticular reason why?
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[21:22:00] rabies_: kormoc: just by default i guess
[21:22:00] rabies_: kormoc: is that what you meant?
[21:23:00] kormoc: rabies, with any nvidia card, you should have xv enabled by default
[21:23:00] kormoc: xv controls the overlay iirc
[21:25:00] rabies_: xv is enabled, but imean the controls arent visible in myth
[21:26:00] rabies_: it looks like the xrandr zooming problem is definitely a driver issue
[21:26:00] rabies_: but supposedly the tv should scale at 1320x768
[21:26:00] rabies_: thats something different...
[21:26:00] kormoc: xrandr is a bit... flaky at times I've found, reguardless of the driver.
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[21:28:00] rabies: heh
[21:28:00] rabies: guess what? xv is borked..
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[21:28:00] rabies: kormoc: i tried capturing form the video0 device using mplayer and the -vo xv driver, and the computer froze
[21:28:00] rabies: kormoc: basically the same way as w/ mythtv
[21:29:00] rabies: kormoc: think thats a driver issue?
[21:29:00] kormoc: that sounds like one, aye
[21:29:00] rabies: or is xv something else?
[21:29:00] kormoc: what driver version?
[21:29:00] rabies: let me check
[21:30:00] rabies: 7174
[21:30:00] kormoc: hrm, if I was you, I'd drop down to a 6xxx and see what happens
[21:30:00] rabies: drop down? okay
[21:30:00] GreyFoxx: I had no end of XV related issues with the 7xxx series of drivers
[21:30:00] rabies: let me find the 6xxx debian packages
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[21:30:00] kormoc: the 7xxx fixed my xv issues with my 5800
[21:30:00] GreyFoxx: I went back to 6629 I think it was and have had no problems
[21:30:00] rabies: think they'll support my 6200?
[21:31:00] kormoc: rabies, yeah, they should
[21:31:00] GreyFoxx: that I woiuldn't know
[21:31:00] kormoc: rabies, the 7xxx adds support for the 7800 iirc
[21:31:00] rabies: not an issue for me...
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[21:34:00] rabies: k, gonna d/l now
[21:35:00] rabies: wish me luck...
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[21:38:00] rabies_: hey
[21:38:00] rabies_: okay
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[21:40:00] rabies_: so long fair nvidia packages... ;)
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[21:41:00] rabies_: ya junky pacakges!
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[21:41:00] charlesv: anyone want to buy a pair of air2pc r0.2 tuners?
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[21:42:00] rabies_: charlesv: try ebayt
[21:42:00] charlesv: yeah, i will
[21:47:00] fourcheeze: charlesv: what is one of those?
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[21:47:00] rabies_: kormoc: installed
[21:48:00] charlesv: four: DVB-T tuner
[21:48:00] fourcheeze: ahh ok
[21:48:00] charlesv: supposedly support is in the latest linux-dvb, needs a kernel recompile
[21:48:00] fourcheeze: charlesv: how much you want?
[21:48:00] charlesv: 100 for the pair?
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[21:48:00] charlesv: or 55 for one
[21:48:00] fourcheeze: if that's roubles then count me in
[21:49:00] charlesv: usd
[21:49:00] charlesv: :)
[21:49:00] fourcheeze: :-)
[21:49:00] fourcheeze: let me have a think, I'm going to see if I can finally get this hauppauge nova-t to work properly
[21:49:00] fourcheeze: if not I may get back to you
[21:50:00] charlesv: cool
[21:50:00] rabies: kormoc: =\
[21:50:00] rabies: kormoc: still freezes
[21:50:00] rabies: kormoc: 6629 isnt any better w/ mythtv
[21:51:00] rabies: time to try randr...
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[21:53:00] kormoc: rabies, odd...
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[21:58:00] rabies_: wtf
[21:58:00] rabies_: now randr is all weird
[21:58:00] rabies_: same issues
[21:58:00] rabies_: diffv version...
[22:00:00] fourcheeze: does mythtv use ffmpeg and transcode, or just ffmpeg ?
[22:00:00] rabies_: i want crisp high res for menus...but i guess i cant get it
[22:00:00] Beirdo: ??
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[22:04:00] beavis: johnp_: what's the solution for the missing EPG?
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[22:10:00] FuzzyLogic: anybody have hauppauge 350 sound troubles
[22:10:00] FuzzyLogic: i get video, no sound
[22:10:00] FuzzyLogic: sound works in KDE but not mythfrontend
[22:12:00] rabies_: well
[22:12:00] rabies_: my video is excellent
[22:12:00] rabies_: bbut only if mythfrontend is in 720x480...
[22:12:00] FuzzyLogic: video without sounds not excellent!
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[22:33:00] J-C0d3: Hi
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[22:34:00] J-C0d3: When I leave DVDplayer which uses xine I can't select anymore, does anyone have an idea?
[22:34:00] J-C0d3: I'm using MythTV 0.18.1
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[22:36:00] pirre: J-C0d3: I think I remember reading somewhere that when xine exits it returns focus to the desktop instead of to mythtv
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[22:38:00] J-C0d3: pirre: aha that explains thx
[22:39:00] pirre: J-C0d3: try configuring your window manager
[22:40:00] pirre: J-C0d3: you're using KDE?
[22:41:00] pirre: see http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php, under "Mythvideo focus issue"
[22:42:00] rabies_: what i2c driver does the pvr150 user for the ir?
[22:43:00] J-C0d3: pirre: Thanks a lot, it works now
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[22:54:00] iggs: test
[22:54:00] iggs: upps
[22:55:00] iggs: Hi all
[22:56:00] iggs: can anyone help me with an ivtv problem ?
[22:56:00] iceman: anyone know if MythTV will or already supports multitasking? e.g. playing MythMusic while looking at pictures or mythtv in the background?
[22:56:00] iggs: anyone knows what to do about this "Failed to open /dev/video16: No such device"
[22:56:00] iceman: ...so that you Live TV buffer keeps growing for the sake of rewinding...
[22:58:00] xris: iceman: pretty sure it doesn't (yet)
[22:59:00] kormoc: iceman, it doesn't at this point, iirc
[22:59:00] xris: mfd is moving that way, though
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[23:00:00] iggs: any swiss users around ?
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[23:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:01:00] Beirdo: no.cox
[23:01:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:02:00] iggs: info
[23:02:00] xris: Beirdo: what bot is mythlogbot?
[23:02:00] Beirdo: PircBot
[23:02:00] xris: thx
[23:03:00] Beirdo: no prob
[23:03:00] xris: hmm, java... guess it's good the server is a xeon
[23:03:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:03:00] Beirdo: yeah, java. blech
[23:04:00] xris: I think I'll use perlbot
[23:04:00] Beirdo: beerbot :)
[23:04:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:04:00] iggs: you guys know any other channel wich provides help to ivtv / mythtv ????
[23:04:00] Beirdo: or make a portbot
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[23:05:00] iceman: kormoc: do you know if there are any plans to..
[23:05:00] laga: iggs: you haven't even asked a question yet.
[23:05:00] xris: iggs: ivtv-dev
[23:05:00] xris: #mythtv-de
[23:05:00] iggs: o.k. try again : What can I do about "Failed to open /dev/video16: No such device"
[23:05:00] iceman: kormoc: it would be cool, i may want to look at my photo while playing some music...
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[23:05:00] xris: iggs: you have 16 tuners?
[23:05:00] xris: sorry, 17
[23:05:00] ** laga appoints xris for propaganda minister **
[23:06:00] laga: xris: video16 is iirc the device for the pvr 350's framebuffer
[23:06:00] kormoc: iceman, yeah, it's heading that way slowly, but it'll be a long time imho
[23:06:00] GreyFoxx: SWEET, my laptop power adapter works for the touchscreen. now I just gotta get a spare adapter of this shape/power output
[23:06:00] iggs: xris: not really – but isnt it suppoest to be the TV-Out of an PVR 350 ?
[23:06:00] iceman: kormoc: MediaBox from NMM does it quite nicely, i can even go through my music playlist whiles whatching TV, it uses Alpha blending or something for a translucent menu/playlist etc
[23:06:00] xris: iggs: then you know more than me. pvr-350 is supposed to be a huge PITA, so I avoided it.
[23:06:00] laga: well, whatever. night!
[23:07:00] iggs: xris: PITA ?? its been 10 years since I used IRc – lots of stuff forgotten :-)
[23:07:00] kormoc: iggs, Pain In The Ass
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[23:08:00] kormoc: iceman, well then maybe that's a better solution for ya
[23:08:00] iggs: xris: hmmm guess you are rigth – but I already bougth it - :( – what would been better ?
[23:08:00] xris: pvr-150 with nvidia graphics card
[23:08:00] xris: costs less, too
[23:08:00] fourcheeze: sod this ubuntu I'm switching to gentoo
[23:09:00] iggs: xris: just have an PII – 333 – need an hardware decoder
[23:09:00] xris: ahh, then you don't have a choice
[23:09:00] jetair: hi all
[23:09:00] laga: fourcheeze: good choice.
[23:09:00] fourcheeze: yeah, I normally use gentoo
[23:10:00] fourcheeze: well, a lot of the time I do
[23:10:00] fourcheeze: or ordinary debian
[23:10:00] fourcheeze: but I just fancied a go at an amd64 binary distro
[23:10:00] fourcheeze: but it's missing some stuff
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[23:11:00] Chutt: what's it missing?
[23:11:00] iceman: kormoc: know any cards i can use for TV out that have XvMC? have slow processors
[23:12:00] iceman: kormoc: last question i promise....
[23:12:00] kormoc: iceman, any newer nvidia card has XvMC
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[23:13:00] iceman: kormoc: i've a MX440?
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[23:14:00] iceman: kormoc: also seem to fail to work on an Duron 700MHz wit 512 RAM
[23:15:00] iceman: kormoc: actually it works but when watching TV it has terible scratches across the screen and eventually hangs after, at most 15min
[23:15:00] kormoc: iceman, XvMC isn't a endall of speed. it still uses ~20% of my 2.4 ghz p4 for playback.
[23:15:00] kormoc: that's a driver bug likly then
[23:15:00] kormoc: or a bad card
[23:16:00] iceman: what can i do to improve perfomance on the Duron, want to use it as a backend only! the frontend runs on another faster PC
[23:16:00] kormoc: what's your tv capture card?
[23:17:00] iceman: kormoc: junk FlyView98 – i know a bit old & lame...
[23:17:00] iceman: kormoc: no hardware encoder...  ;-(
[23:18:00] kormoc: you really can't use a non hardware encoder on that box, it's too slow realistically.
[23:18:00] kormoc: imho
[23:18:00] iceman: kormoc: hey, am from africa, things arent cheap here!
[23:18:00] kormoc: that doesn't make slow things faster, I'm afraid.
[23:19:00] iceman: hmm... ok, but if i put my nvidia card in it, will it be adequate as a frontend only?
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[23:20:00] iceman: kormoc: also take it you recomment the PVR-150 then?
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[23:20:00] kormoc: iceman, a 150 would be the best choice imho. the m179s which are slightly cheaper have a huge heap of issues getting working right
[23:21:00] kormoc: iceman, with a nvidia card.... the 700 should be able to playback standard def videos fine, I'd say
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[23:22:00] iceman: kormoc: thanx a million!
[23:22:00] kormoc: your welcome
[23:23:00] iceman: also looking for someone who has used the VIA C3 motherboard and a decent mini-ATI case, what was you experience, does it fly?
[23:24:00] iceman: kormoc: also looking for someone who has used the VIA C3 motherboard and a decent mini-ATI case, what was you experience, does it fly?
[23:25:00] iceman: interested in costs too, is it really better that buying an entry level P4
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[23:28:00] iggs: thanks guys
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[23:29:00] kormoc: iceman, imho, no it's not, but then I never liked via as a company and never used a c3.
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[23:31:00] iceman: kormoc: so what do you use?
[23:31:00] kormoc: I have a 2.4 ghz p4
[23:32:00] fourcheeze: iceman: get an amd64
[23:32:00] fourcheeze: cheaper than a mini-itx
[23:32:00] fourcheeze: faster than a pentium
[23:32:00] fourcheeze: quiet
[23:33:00] iceman: fourcheeze: don't know if i can justify spending that sorta money to my wife!
[23:35:00] fourcheeze: iceman: how much?
[23:35:00] iceman: Via C3 seems attractive cause of the low foot print etc. Our companys core bus. is thinclient computing so ive been working with the junk NCD, and better vision bank terminals (WBT) that used the NS CPU
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[23:36:00] fourcheeze: ok, well I've been playing around with the Via nehemiah and myth for a while and it's hard work
[23:36:00] iceman: fourcheeze: amd64 doesn't come cheap where im from!
[23:36:00] fourcheeze: where are you from?
[23:36:00] iceman: south africa
[23:36:00] fourcheeze: and C3 boards are cheap there?
[23:37:00] fourcheeze: I just bought an entire amd64 base unit for £300 ~= 500usd
[23:37:00] iceman: no but seem cheaper since you get the processor too, seemed to be under USD300, dont imagine the amd64 being under USD1000
[23:37:00] fourcheeze: the problem with via stuff is that driver support is immature
[23:37:00] jetair: amd64 didnt support software with32bit
[23:38:00] fourcheeze: iceman: you have to jump through a lot of hoops and kludges to get the built-in mp3 decoder working
[23:38:00] fourcheeze: I came to the conclusion that in the end nothing beats raw cpu power
[23:38:00] jetair: amd64 is limited in use for specific software
[23:38:00] fourcheeze: jetair: such as?
[23:39:00] jetair: visual studio.net
[23:39:00] iceman: jetair: not wit linux, unless ur talking of windows, where applications are still being ported...
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[23:39:00] fourcheeze: ugh
[23:39:00] iceman: jetair: hmmm... why would you say that? strange!!!
[23:40:00] fourcheeze: jetair: now tell me why anyone would want to use that
[23:40:00] jetair: just example
[23:40:00] fourcheeze: hmm
[23:40:00] fourcheeze: any examples on linux?
[23:40:00] jetair: yes and mac
[23:41:00] kormoc: iceman, amd 64 bit is working fine with linux, has been for years. and 32 bit programs do run on a amd 64 bit processor just fine
[23:41:00] fourcheeze: iceman: anyway, all I'd say is get as powerful a C3 as you can
[23:41:00] jetair: bitchx
[23:41:00] iceman: fourcheeze: Fedora, ubuntu, gentoo, manymore!!!
[23:41:00] fourcheeze: and be prepared to spend a lot of time
[23:41:00] laga: jetair: man irssi
[23:41:00] kormoc: jetair, windows xp has a 64 bit version, as well as the new longhorn beta.
[23:41:00] fourcheeze: jetair: bitchx doesn't work on amd64?
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[23:41:00] fourcheeze: ok, I'll have a look at that in a moment
[23:42:00] jetair: yes i know
[23:42:00] kormoc: jetair, there's a 64 bit version of ut2004 running fine
[23:42:00] kormoc: jetair, so why is it only for 'special programs' then?
[23:42:00] jetair: but not for suse linux
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[23:42:00] kormoc: suse has a 64 bit version
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[23:43:00] jetair: i did not find it
[23:43:00] kormoc: jetair, http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, . . . 16808,00.htm
[23:43:00] kormoc: October 01 2003 suse launched their 64 bit version
[23:44:00] iceman: kormoc: sorry to nag like this, what of CD burning plugins? I want my wife to be able to burn Programs from within MythTV via the Remote control, any pointers?
[23:44:00] jetair: i had suse 9.3 pro 32bit version
[23:44:00] jetair: the most recent version
[23:44:00] iceman: jetair: Suse, Novel, RedHat, and even Microsoft support amd64 now!
[23:45:00] kormoc: jetair, http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/
[23:45:00] kormoc: jetair, first feature listed, 'Supports 32 bit and 64 bit hardware'
[23:45:00] kormoc: iceman, donno about cd burning plugins, never used any
[23:45:00] iceman: fourcheeze: sorry to nag like this, what of CD burning plugins? I want my wife to be able to burn Programs from within MythTV via the Remote control, any pointers?
[23:46:00] fourcheeze: iceman: hmm, interesting question
[23:46:00] fourcheeze: I remember hearing something about that
[23:47:00] fourcheeze: try a google on mythtv burning or something
[23:47:00] fourcheeze: I tend to use gnome for burning
[23:48:00] fourcheeze: used to use cdrecord but these days gnome seems to offer to burn a cd when I put a blank one in
[23:48:00] fourcheeze: how can I refuse?
[23:48:00] kormoc: by clicking cancel?
[23:48:00] fourcheeze: :-)
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[23:54:00] iceman: kormoc: what i was also thinking, ive got an Athlon 2000+ and what to try something like OpenMosix to boost the CPU throughput!
[23:55:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, burning would be nice.
[23:55:00] iceman: kormoc: meaning, with the C3 as my frontend, i can have the Athlon share some of its idle cycles to process transcoding, etc...
[23:55:00] EL_Whistey: openmosix to boost throughput? Err.
[23:56:00] iceman: EL_Whistey: so why havent i seen any wishlist...
[23:56:00] EL_Whistey: Surely the data transfer would dominate.
[23:56:00] kormoc: you won't really get a boost. Realtime processing of video wouldn't like the increased latency, as well as video transcoding is a single thread usually, and thus wouldn't share.
[23:56:00] EL_Whistey: iceman, political reasons – burning incurs RIAA's wrath.
[23:56:00] iceman: EL_Whistey: sorry, not thoughput, i meant to say – perfomance...
[23:56:00] EL_Whistey: at a guess
[23:56:00] kormoc: so likly you'd end up with taking twice as long and studdery video.
[23:56:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah, is transcoding even parallelizable?
[23:56:00] fourcheeze: iceman: why not use the athlon for the video and the c3 for a workstation?
[23:57:00] fourcheeze: or whatever the athlon's doing now
[23:58:00] iceman: fourcheeze: that what i intend to do, but kormoc thinks the C3 is under powered...
[23:58:00] fourcheeze: for a workstation?
[23:58:00] fourcheeze: it depends on your use
[23:58:00] fourcheeze: I'd generally be happy with a 1GHz nehemiah
[23:59:00] kormoc: I said the c3 would be underpowered to be your backend
[23:59:00] fourcheeze: the video is the cpu-intensive stuff
[23:59:00] fourcheeze: if I had a C3 and an athlon I would probably put the front and backends on the athlon
[23:59:00] fourcheeze: or
[23:59:00] iceman: kormoc: sorry, got you wrong there...

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