Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 29th, 2005, 00:00 UTC

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enyc_:

stof: or gight, waht where pagfe am I supposed to be looking at there ?

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laga:

where has all the spelling gone...*sings*

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cochi:

hrm. the pvr500 seems to be tricky to set up. damn :(

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stoffel:

enyc_: hrm?

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Flimzy:

anonuser: No, I don't think so, because local playback is just fine

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Flimzy:

anonuser: And it's a striped LVM... bonnie benchmarks were twice as fast as a standard SATA drive

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anonuser:

Hrrm, thats odd

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anonuser:

short in the network?

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LasseL:

enyc_, you want to install mythtv-backend on a headless fileserver?

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Flimzy:

I was getting 10–11 megabytes/sec with scp over the network between these two PCs.

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anonuser:

very odd indeed

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Flimzy:

I keep getting 'prebuffering pause' messages on the console

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anonuser:

and im gussing hardware tuner as well?

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stoffel:

Flimzy: problems during playback? are other movie-players like mplayer work on that frontend?

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Flimzy:

It's an old WinTV card. Model 404, I think

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Flimzy:

But these problems are when watching recorded programs

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anonuser:

how old?

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cochi:

any hints on "Can't enable VBI recording" / "vbi: invalid argument" ? i feel kinda stuck

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Flimzy:

I haven't tried watching live TV

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Flimzy:

not over the network

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Flimzy:

the recorded programs playback just fine on the master backend, tho

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Flimzy:

which is an Athlon 1800+

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anonuser:

hrrm

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Flimzy:

the PC that's being jittery is an Athlon 2400+

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anonuser:

maybe the card doesn't do decoding / encoding

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Flimzy:

so there's plenty of CPU

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Flimzy:

The WinTV doesn't do any decoding

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anonuser:

so it s all software

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Flimzy:

But I'm just watching recorded programs anyway

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Flimzy:

yes, all software

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Flimzy:

But even so I can wactch live TV with it without a problem... when it's all local

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anonuser:

just the recorded?

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Flimzy:

I'm trying live TV now over the ntwork

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Flimzy:

it also pauses

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Flimzy:

Did I perhaps overlook something in setting up the frontend on my PC?

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Flimzy:

Do I need to set up a disk buffer locally or something?

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stoffel:

Flimzy: you could mount the mythtv dir. via NFS on the remote frontend and add a 'RecordFilePrefix' setting to the settings table

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stoffel:

and see if that works better

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Flimzy:

Does the backend transcode the video for broadcast over the network or something?

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stoffel:

nope, just streaming the data to a frontend

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Flimzy:

that's what I thought

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stoffel:

unless this RecordFilePrefix exists

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stoffel:

then the frontend will access the recordings directly (via nfs, samba, whatever)

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stoffel:

but live-tv is also affected so the problem could lie somewhere else

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Flimzy:

Wow... gee

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Flimzy:

I get the same "prebuffering pause" even when viewing the thumbnail view of the recorded images

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Flimzy:

s/images/shows/

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Flimzy:

Is it bad to share /home/mythtv between the two systems via NFS?

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Flimzy:

will that throw off some locking or something?

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stoffel:

i'm doing that with two fronteds

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anonuser:

Flimzy: file locks are a windows onlything

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anonuser:

unix happily ignores them

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Flimzy:

ok

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anonuser:

Though devices will report busy or not

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Flimzy:

where do I add that RecordFilePrefix thing?

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stoffel:

mythconverg.settings table

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anonuser:

what is the naming behind mythconverg?

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stoffel:

mythconverg is the database, settings the table name

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anonuser:

what does mythconverg stand for?

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anonuser:

its a rather odd name

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Flimzy:

Where do I read about this RecordFilePrefix so I can give it some reasonable setting?

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stoffel:

'MythTv – the mystical convergance box everyones talking about'

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etnoY:

how long time is it supposed to take to switch channels while watching TV from dvb?

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etnoY:

for me it takes about 5 seconds, and I feel that that is too long

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stoffel:

Flimzy: i dunno. run "select * from settings where value like '%prefix%';"on the mysql cli prompt to see how the entry should look like

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stoffel:

change 'data' to the local directory name on the frontend and hostname the frontends hostname

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stoffel:

well, don't change it, add another entry (just to be clear)

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anonuser:

stoffel: thanks

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Flimzy:

hmm... some random google page says that someone had a similar problem with OSS drivers, but switching to ALSA resolved the issue

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anonuser:

okay i am going to rewrite that damn cxm (pvr 250 / 350) drivers

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Flimzy:

blah! this is incredibly annoying

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snL20:

I hate alsa

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Flimzy:

what keystroke is used to select/deselect check-boxes by keyboard in mythtv-setup or in the frontend config section?

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anonuser:

left and right

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anonuser:

at least that worked for me

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Flimzy:

ahh

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Flimzy:

good

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Flimzy:

thanks

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cochi:

not quite mythtv but... anyone got cause+cure for "ivtv: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found" ?

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morphix:

hi guys

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morphix:

I'm looking to setup a tv card to work across a network, whats involved?

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Flimzy:

GRRR

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Flimzy:

this doesn't make any damn sense

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morphix:

whats up?

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morphix:

are you having troubles?

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morphix:

I have a Modular MM100 tv card

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travolta:

morphix, install mythtv (backend) on the pc with the tv, and install mythtvfrontend on the one you want to watch tv on

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morphix:

cool

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travolta:

standard install

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travolta:

its like a feature of mythtv

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morphix:

does the network capacity matter? i only have 10mps

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travolta:

i'm sure thats fast enough

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travolta:

i can watch tv over 54g wifi

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morphix:

54 gigabytes?

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travolta:

no

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morphix:

oh

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travolta:

i dont know the technically term

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morphix:

im not familiar with wifi technology

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morphix:

what is it in mb's?

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travolta:

like under 1, or around that

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travolta:

maybe not, not sure

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travolta:

but definatly slower than a wired connection

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kslater:

54Gbits / second

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kslater:

best case with a fully quieted signal

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travolta:

lol

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morphix:

i see

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Flimzy:

morphix: Yeah, I'm having troubles with "prebuffering pause"es on a remote frontend

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kslater:

by the way I have an 802.11b system that can watch Myth just fine remotely across it

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kslater:

(only 11Mbits/s best case)

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morphix:

do u guys know why a network card only gives 10mbps max throughput, yet my onboard ethernet says it has 100mbps on my dmesg

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Flimzy:

morphix: do you have a 10/100 hub?

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morphix:

yes

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Flimzy:

morphix: or switch

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morphix:

so the problem is due to the network capacity?

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morphix:

not the actual dev

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kslater:

what are you measuring against on the other end of the connection?

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kslater:

is that 10Mb?

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morphix:

i have one dev hooked up to cable modem and that device is 100mbps according to dmesg

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morphix:

but my other dev connected to hub is only connecting at 10mb

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Flimzy:

morphix: A bad cable can do that, too.

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Flimzy:

morphix: IIRC, 10mbit only uses 2 pairs, whereas 100mbit uses 3

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Flimzy:

So if that 3rd pair is bad, you'll only get 10mbit

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morphix:

is 100mbit the same as 100mb?

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kslater:

if the device on the recieving end is only 10mb/s you obviously can't go faster than that.

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morphix:

i want to do faster data transfer across my network than 10mb/s

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morphix:

however ive noticed its rare to get an actual data transfer that goes above 700kbs anyway

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morphix:

why is that?

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cochi:

overhead, other traffic like arp, ...

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morphix:

i can ftp from one machine on my LAN to another on my LAN and only average 600kbs

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morphix:

that sux eh

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morphix:

whats the point of having 10mbps cards and only using a fraction of the network capacity

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kslater:

10mb/s is the best the raw hardware can do, right? there are other things to consider when actually moving data. things like retries and synchronization and checksum overhead, etc.

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morphix:

how would you get 10mb/s max throughoutput then? in what sort senario

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morphix:

even if u could achieve that across the network the hardware on the systems may not even support it eh?

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kslater:

if you had 2 cards connected by a cross over cable and weren't concerned with guaranteed delivery you might approach it.

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morphix:

phew

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morphix:

interesting

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morphix:

is that why cross over cables are used to connect hubs together?

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kslater:

sort of I guess

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kslater:

doesn't really matter the listed speed tho

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morphix:

SCSI architecture is superior if you want to move alot of data eh

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kslater:

if you want faster xfers, get faster cards or bigger pipes (from the outside) or both

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morphix:

my SCSI controller reports it can do 80mbps

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kslater:

scsi is a parallel bus architecture

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kslater:

bits can move down many wires at one time

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morphix:

i like SCSI

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morphix:

so there are different types of ethernet 10mbps cards and some are faster than others?

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kslater:

for drives I do too. but for connecting the world together into a giant internet I think it wouldn't be so good..

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morphix:

why?

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kslater:

well maybe, but I'm saying get all 100mb/s cards

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kslater:

or get 1Gbit/s cards if you need

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morphix:

i understand

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morphix:

is ftp a bad network protocol/service for transfering data?

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morphix:

nfs is better?

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morphix:

for a LAN i mean

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kslater:

can't help you there. time for someone else to step up.

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kslater:

:-)

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morphix:

:)

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morphix:

im learning alot tonite

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morphix:

ftp seems to be used less these days

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morphix:

but i think thats more to do with security than performance

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morphix:

tmw i have 5 tv cards arriving and i hope to give MythTV a go

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cochi:

for one machine?

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morphix:

hehe no, i bought 5 from ebay cheaply, 4 were a job lot

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morphix:

theres an assortment of cards so i dunno which is best and will have to try them out

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morphix:

i have a Modular MM100 in my system now which i used previously under Windows

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Atamido:

MythFrontend bails out sometimes, randomly.

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morphix:

unfortunately i cant get the tuner to work in Linux

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anonuser:

Mythbackend does that for me as well

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morphix:

that sux

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morphix:

do you guys use cards that do the compression onboard?

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Atamido:

I have an error message now though so I hope to be able to track down the problem.

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Atamido:

morphix: I have a PVR-500 MCE

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morphix:

what does PVR stand for

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Atamido:

morphix: Dunno, ask Hauppauge. http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mce.html

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morphix:

its just a model reference exclusive to Hauppauge then?

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Atamido:

Yeah.

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morphix:

ahh i see

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Atamido:

Hauppauge makes the whole WinTV-PVR line of cards.

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morphix:

theres a WinTV card among my 5

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Atamido:

The PVR-250 was probably the most popular card for years.

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morphix:

these cards can do onboard compression?

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Atamido:

s/popular/favorite

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Atamido:

Yeah.

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morphix:

the Hauppauge brand is big in UK here

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Atamido:

The 500 has two tuners, each with it's own compressor.

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morphix:

neat

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Atamido:

Indeed.

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morphix:

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Atamido:

I used to have the 150, but returned it and got the 500 as it's basically two 150s on a single card.

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morphix:

they're probably old ones that dont do onboard compression

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morphix:

i only want to setup a card to watch live watch (not interesting in recording) and also to capture stills from antiques programs

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morphix:

*tv

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morphix:

so any basic card will do me really

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Atamido:

Gay?

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morphix:

homo?

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Atamido:

Nevermind, remembered you're British.

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morphix:

im straight

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Atamido:

:P

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morphix:

not all british people are homosexual

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Atamido:

I wasn't saying that.

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Atamido:

The British just is a little different culturally.

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morphix:

but many are ;-)

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morphix:

where are you from yourself?

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Atamido:

Not a lot of strait, male, Texans that watch the antiques programs.

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Atamido:

Texas.

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morphix:

i love antiques programs and collect myself, so i like to research prices and identify stuff etc

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Atamido:

<-- Strait Texan that likes to watch Antique Roadshow every now and then.

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morphix:

im building a website for it

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morphix:

do you have an American version of antiques roadshow?

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** xris smashes python with a heavy trout. **

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jedix:

yeah, antiques roadshow.. it comes on here (canada)

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anonuser:

Atamido: you might be confused sexually ;D

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morphix:

Atamido do you dislike gay people?

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Atamido:

morphix: Only the obnoxious ones.

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morphix:

ive seen Canadian Antiques Roadshow a few times

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morphix:

but only when the british experts take the show over to Canada

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Atamido:

morphix: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/roadshow/

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morphix:

oh thats cool

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Atamido:

I didn't know there was a British version.

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Atamido:

anonuser: Don't thinks so. Of course if I had boobies I might not have a reason to leave my apartment anymore.

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Morphix:

heh disconnected myself

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Morphix:

i have on American antique in my collection

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Morphix:

*one

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Morphix:

do any of you guys have any antiques?

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** Atamido owns a small stamp collection. **

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Morphix:

cool

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juski:

I found some ancient 72 pin SIMM modules tonight

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Morphix:

any british stamps?

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Morphix:

haha

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Morphix:

thats not quite an antique, but nearly

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juski:

heh

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jedix:

I have 30 pin SIMMs

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jedix:

they are antiques

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Morphix:

actually SIMMs is rare now and fetching good prices on eBay

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Atamido:

Morphix: American only.

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juski:

I'd sell them if I knew what size they are

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Morphix:

my girlfriend has some old American coins

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Atamido:

People have to upgrade old servers for which they don't make the parts anymore. $100 for an 8MB simm is reasonable.

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juski:

really? that's mad

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Morphix:

yes

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Morphix:

old memory for laptops can be very pricey

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Morphix:

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Morphix:

but i managed to find some on eBay for 99p ($1.50)

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Atamido:

:)

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Morphix:

crazy prices

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Morphix:

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Atamido:

You can buy a new laptop for $400USD.

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Morphix:

true

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linlin:

What would you say are the absolute minimal requirements for a myth machine with one tuner and tv out

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linlin:

basically a diy tivo

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linlin:

like a gigahert?

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Morphix:

im building a solar powered server at moment and using the old Toshiba Satellite

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Atamido:

It is mostly an issue where if you need to keep some hardware in service.

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Morphix:

less isnt it?

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Morphix:

if the machine is dedicated to MythTV its ok eh?

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linlin:

yeah its jsut gunna be myth

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Morphix:

if you want to use it for other tasks as well, better to invest in a good card with onboard compression?

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linlin:

i have a ummm...let me look it up

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linlin:

askey cph050

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Atamido:

Onboard compression is really the best for anything.

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Morphix:

i tried to do video recording off my old tv card on a P3–500 with 256mb ram

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Morphix:

that was hopeless

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linlin:

its supported in v4l i hear

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Atamido:

You could get a PVR-150 and use it with a P3–500.

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Morphix:

that card was a Modular MM100 and had no onboard

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Morphix:

yeah a decent card is a must eh

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linlin:

how much do those run you think? USD

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Morphix:

saying that the old card was fine for watching live tv in overlay and capturing stills

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linlin:

i also have an old as dirt ISA packard bell tv tuner :)

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Morphix:

:)

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Morphix:

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linlin:

oh nice

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linlin:

then i could use a 500mhz crap box?

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Morphix:

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Morphix:

yes

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linlin:

nice. i think ill do that

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linlin:

the happague pvr150 you say?

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linlin:

i saw those in circuit city the other day

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Morphix:

P3–500 is fine i think with onboard, you could maybe even get away with doing software compression if you had the machine dedicated to the task and added plenty of memory

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linlin:

how much mem

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Morphix:

depends what you're doing i guess and what OS you run

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Atamido:

Just get the 150 and be happy. :P

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Morphix:

maybe 512MB

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linlin:

k

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linlin:

512 of sdram should be cheap

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Morphix:

yeah wouldnt cost much

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linlin:

i probally have some lying around here anyways

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Morphix:

i added 512MB to my P3–500 recently

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linlin:

what about remotes

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Morphix:

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linlin:

my buddy has an ati tv wonder and it has a really sweet remote

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linlin:

the remote wonder

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snL20:

I had just snow untill I got the last module in the tda9887

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linlin:

i looked it up its about 30$

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Atamido:

http://www.google.com/froogle?q=pvr-150&btnG=Search+Froogle

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Morphix:

neat

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linlin:

is that supported? i would think it is, its probally the most popular remote

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Morphix:

i would think so

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Atamido:

ATI is evil...

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Morphix:

i ran my camcorder thru my tv card to do capturing

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Morphix:

amazingly sharp images

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CanadaBoy:

brb

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Morphix:

like having a digital camera with a massive optical zooms

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linlin:

ok now if i go with a slower machine, it probally wont have agp, or do i need to find one with agp?

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linlin:

theres no pci tv out cards is there?

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juski:

there should still be some, somewhere, linlin

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Morphix:

not sure about that one

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Morphix:

should be eh

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juski:

might only be mx2 or something slow like that though

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linlin:

so it would stink...

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juski:

not necessarily

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Morphix:

my set-top cable box has IR blaster connection and another IR connection, plus ethernet, RS232 x 2 and a USB!

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Morphix:

i reckon would be interesting to try and hook it up

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juski:

http://tekgems.com/Products/et-9812-vcd-pci-fx5200-128mtv.htm

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juski:

fx5200 on PCI :)

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juski:

that's **PCI**, not PCI-Express

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Morphix:

there ya go

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Morphix:

alot of laptops have TV out

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juski:

I used an fx5200 til I got my EPIA motherboard – sweet tv out quality

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Morphix:

not my OmniBook tho

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linlin:

my cable box has an rs232 port too, what are those for?

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Morphix:

that would be for maintenance or programming maybe

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Morphix:

to link to PC

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juski:

probably manufacturer use or for the cable provider

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Morphix:

yes

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linlin:

thats what i figured

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juski:

not very often that they're enabled

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Morphix:

mine is definitely intended to have PC interface users for an end user tho

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Morphix:

*uses

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juski:

my NTL cable box has USB, ethernet, 2 serial ports...

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Morphix:

sounds similiar to my Telewest one

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linlin:

i want a cool cable box...

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juski:

I'm expecting delivery of a Dbox any time soon :D

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Morphix:

juski did you try to hook it up yet?

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Morphix:

even if you hook it up tho no software is available to interact with the box?

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juski:

nah – STB is downstairs and all the PCs with keyboards are upstairs

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juski:

I get my internet through it – and that's enough for me

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Morphix:

i considered doing that

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juski:

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linlin:

how do i tell if this brand new ati card my friend has has a hardware encoder ?

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Morphix:

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Morphix:

you got a good deal

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juski:

30GB a month limit

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Morphix:

no limits on mine tho

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juski:

technically none on mine – I'm out at work all day lol

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Morphix:

linlin best to look up the spec on the manufacturer site or on the web?

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juski:

linlin – if it's a recent one chances are it'll have one

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linlin:

yeah he bought it yesterday :p

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Morphix:

should do then eh

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juski:

but getting it to work in linux will be something else

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linlin:

hmm

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juski:

and if it's also a TV tuner card, forget about it

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Morphix:

a STB with Linux?

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Morphix:

thats why i decided to go for a cable modem, the engineers at Telewest advised me to

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juski:

that's what the dbox is, morphix

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Morphix:

i remember there was some reason why they told me to use a STB

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Morphix:

*not to

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Morphix:

oh it may have been upgradeability

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juski:

some STBs have a speed limit of 1mb

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juski:

or 1Mb even

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Morphix:

i think theres a cap on the speed limit on the telewest boxes

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Morphix:

they cant go above 1mb

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Morphix:

thats it

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juski:

but the newer samsung ones can do 3MB no problem

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Morphix:

do NTL replace your equipment?

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juski:

these simms are pissing me off. they've got 24 chips on them – some are different sizes

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Morphix:

i had one STB box last year and telewest came and replaced it

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mchou:

lol

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juski:

yeah Morphix – got the box upgraded a while ago

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mchou:

what chaep simms are those?

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Morphix:

who?

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Morphix:

simms, that was ages ago

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mchou:

hehe

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juski:

I'm looking at them now

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Morphix:

hehe

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juski:

if I can work out what size they are – look at putting them on fleabay

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Morphix:

i have some SIMMs somewhere bagged up ready for eBay

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Morphix:

72pin mine are

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juski:

some chips 4Mx4, others are 4Mx1

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

what kind of junk are you gus selling??

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Morphix:

hehe i sell anything

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Morphix:

i have some old PDA's i must sell

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juski:

hey if people are stupid enough to buy stuff that's their look-out

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mchou:

we get those at local surplus of $1 each

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Morphix:

some people collect this old stuff

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Morphix:

they get all excited

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mchou:

dont have to pay shipping old stuff

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juski:

I have a cunning plan

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Morphix:

prolly the old technology will become the antiques of the future eh

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mchou:

antique my ass.

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Morphix:

imagine an antiques roadshow for old puters and hardware

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juski:

buy cheap laptops. recon them and sell them on fleabay for more than they go for in shops

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Morphix:

its possible

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Morphix:

this stuff cud be worth a fortune

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mchou:

electronics have a very short lifetime.

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Morphix:

exactly

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mchou:

nobody want's yesterday's junk.

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Morphix:

if you look on eBay now for ZX81's they're fetching high prices

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Morphix:

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Morphix:

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juski:

I left 2 atari ST machines in my attic when I moved 5 years ago

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juski:

D'OH!

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Morphix:

damn

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Morphix:

those would fetch a mint on ebay

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mchou:

well, those are worth more to the pll reliving their second childhood.

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Morphix:

seriously people are into collecting early puters now

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mchou:

ppl*

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juski:

these people not heard of emulators? lol

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Morphix:

no i think its part of history

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mchou:

key word being early*

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Morphix:

people want machines from the beginning of the puter generation

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juski:

get some card, spill some tea on it – let it dry, then get a hole punch.....

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Morphix:

as we get further into the future and everything gets more advanced i reckon people will pay high prices for the old PDAs and printers etc of yesterday

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mchou:

no way.

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Morphix:

hehe

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mchou:

I'll be willing to bet on that.

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juski:

you mean as newer equipment isn't backwards compatible?

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mchou:

you wont be able to get toner :)

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juski:

and open standards disappear

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Morphix:

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mchou:

If DRM machines comes to pass there will be a rush on non-DRM machines :)

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Morphix:

it must of seemed crazy that every items then would be worth a fortune a century later

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Morphix:

i reckon the same will apply to our technology when its all gone in the future

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mchou:

nope

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mchou:

you realize hardly anyone buys old technology.

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Morphix:

lol

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Morphix:

you're kidding?

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mchou:

they buy old furniture, paintings. But not tech.

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Morphix:

eBay market for old technology alone is incredible

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Morphix:

thats right becuz technology is still new

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juski:

so I should hang on to that ATI All-In-Wonder card (not 128 btw)

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mchou:

lol. Like ebay is representative of the "real" market.

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Morphix:

antiques are rare items now

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Morphix:

but our technology will become antiques in time

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mchou:

bullshit.

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Morphix:

as newer more advanced technology becomes available that puts a gap between us and the future

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mchou:

I dont see anyone collecting old crays.

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Morphix:

it makes sense

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Morphix:

you'd be surprised

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juski:

look if my wife believes it when I say that's why I never throw anything away...

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Morphix:

actually old technology is valuable now, like early tv's, radios

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Morphix:

haha

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Morphix:

yes tell your wife when you are in your 60's this will be worth a mint

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brendan_:

hi

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** juski has worked out the riddle of the SIMM sizes **

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juski:

8MB

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brendan_:

i have about a 30seccond delay in audio in recorded programs

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Morphix:

perhaps in the future sitting infront of PC's and typing on keyboards will seem insane

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mchou:

Morphix: put your money where your mouth is. Buy my geforce3 ti :)

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mchou:

I give you a good price :)

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Morphix:

is that a tv card?

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mchou:

I have TV cards too.

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Morphix:

i will purchase it :P

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Morphix:

name your price

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mchou:

Morphix: I have HW encoder I sell for you cheap.

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mchou:

Morphix: are you pulling my leg or are you being serious?

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Morphix:

i must be collecting tv cards

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Morphix:

i have 6 now in total and more coming soon

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Morphix:

are you in UK?

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mchou:

Morphix: sorry, no :)

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Morphix:

ahh shipping might be alot then

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Morphix:

you might be better putting it on ebay it will sell

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mchou:

nope.

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Morphix:

why?

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juski:

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mchou:

I refuse to put crap on ebay.

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Morphix:

heh

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Morphix:

why not turn your old technology into money?

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Morphix:

someone will have a use for it

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Morphix:

recycling is good

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mchou:

If you're buying anything on ebay it makes no sense to sell anything <$100 (shipping kills)

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mchou:

I just sell it locally.

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Morphix:

maybe you want to stick it in the attic and wait until it's worth 100x what you paid in the future

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Morphix:

;-)

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mchou:

shipping adds at least 10% to "price"

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Morphix:

selling locally is good but the market on ebay is strong

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dagar:

anyone know what to do when a pvr 150 won't change channels for recordings but livetv works perfectly?

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Morphix:

the buyer will pay tho eh

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mchou:

Morphix: that's exactly why I dont sell on ebay.

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Morphix:

you hate eBay?

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mchou:

waste of gas.

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juski:

ebay have started making you use html for the descriptions of items you sell :(

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mchou:

on stuff over $100 I sell on ebay.

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Morphix:

really?

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mchou:

but not under <$100

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Morphix:

its not cheap to sell on eBay for sure

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Morphix:

it appears so but when you start selling you soon see the fees stack up

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mchou:

Morphix: exactly.

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Morphix:

but its alot cheaper than a real auction

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Morphix:

these usually charge 10–20% to both buyer and seller

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mchou:

bah, I'd rather sell to local surplus stores.

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Morphix:

we dont have those here

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juski:

I sold a Psion wavefinder radio for more than twice what I paid for it

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Morphix:

is that where you go and sell your gun to some guy and he gets a billfold out?

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Morphix:

good profit

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mchou:

Morphix: no, that's a pawn shop.

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Morphix:

oh

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Morphix:

we have those 2nd hand stores but they are charity shops

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mchou:

Surplus is electronics surplus.

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Morphix:

you dont sell you donate your gear to them

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mchou:

not these places I'm talking about

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Morphix:

many of those are full of antiques but they are clueless

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juski:

and our computer fairs sell old PC cards by the kilo

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mchou:

I got two 21in Viewsonic Professional monitors there of $89 total.

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Morphix:

i will buy those

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mchou:

s/of/for

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Morphix:

heh

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mchou:

to ship monitors like that cost more than $89 each :)

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Morphix:

damn

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mchou:

so local buys are good :)

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Morphix:

yes

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Morphix:

I saw a UPS van yesterday

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Morphix:

UPS is a household name in USA but here its a minor player in the carrier market

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mchou:

no doubt.

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mchou:

what's the name carrier over there in UK? DHL?

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Morphix:

the van said, syncronising commerce

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Qwell:

UPS sent me a fruit basket today. :D

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Morphix:

the main one here is Parcel Force, which used to be part of Royal mail

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dagar:

anyone here using an ATI TW WONDER?

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mchou:

heh, I'm listening to a radio program about women selling eggs for $2500

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Morphix:

woah

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mchou:

that's legal

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Morphix:

incredible

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mchou:

not to sell kidneys, but eggs are cool.

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Morphix:

you can calculate how many eggs a woman has left by her age

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mchou:

some even $50,000

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Morphix:

women are born with all their eggs strangely

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mchou:

juski: haha

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Morphix:

some people do sell an organ when they get strapped for cash

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mchou:

juski: you got the wrong idea :)

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mchou:

the whole point is not to gather eggs :)

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Morphix:

hehe

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brendan_:

hi, the audio in reorded programs ia bout 30 secconds behing the video, does anyone know why this might happen?

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juski:

yeah yeah

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Morphix:

guys dont get much for donating sperm

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Morphix:

eggs are where the money is at

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juski:

brendan.. tough one. 30 seconds is a lot to be out of sync

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brendan_:

yea

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Morphix:

i had this problem with my Modular MM100

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brendan_:

it may not be 30, but its at least 15

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Morphix:

audio out of sync

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juski:

brendan – you using hardware or software encoding? (I'm guessing software)

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brendan_:

its a generic v4l capture card(ati tv)

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Morphix:

i think its due to the puter not being able to compress fast enough

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brendan_:

and it was working fine and then i rebooted and now its not

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Morphix:

strange

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Morphix:

did you use the puter for something while it was compressing?

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Morphix:

and maybe before you never

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brendan_:

no

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juski:

how's live tv?

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brendan_:

fine

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brendan_:

although i never use it for that

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brendan_:

its pretyy slow(800mhz p3)

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juski:

you checked the recording profile you're using?

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brendan_:

does anyone know the default settings for the default recording setting?

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brendan_:

its default

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Morphix:

i feel sick

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juski:

Morphix – something you ate?

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Morphix:

do you ever get any chicks coming in here? just out of interest

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dagar:

brendan_: your using an ati tv wonder?

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Morphix:

i think ive stayed up too late, i always get ill if i dont sleep

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brendan_:

dagar, yea

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dagar:

is it working properly in linux?

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brendan_:

dagar, yes

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juski:

nah morphix – chicks just USE mythtv, they don't sit round & talk about it

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dagar:

can I see your modprobe options? oh and are you ntsc?

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Morphix:

hehe

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brendan_:

dagar, its just a standard v4l card

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brendan_:

dagar, i didn't have to do anything special to make it work

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Morphix:

ok i have a question...

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dagar:

mine doesn't work probably without specifing the card and tuner

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dagar:

what distro?

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Morphix:

why do none of the TV tuner progs for Linux have UK tv station searching?

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brendan_:

debian

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Morphix:

all the countries are listed apart from UK

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dagar:

figures

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Morphix:

whats the deal?

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dagar:

for the bttv module is it possible to have it list the card and tuner its using once its loaded?

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Morphix:

sure

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dagar:

how?

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Morphix:

lsmod

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dagar:

but that doesn't list the module options

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Morphix:

no

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Morphix:

there is a way

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Morphix:

let me think..hmm

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brendan_:

if you look in dmesg it says what card its using

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juski:

wellll it's time for me to hit the hay

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juski:

night all

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dagar:

brendan_, would you be able to share your dmesg output with me

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dagar:

just grep for tuner and card

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brendan_:

dagar, sorry, i don't have access to that computer right now

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dagar:

alright thanks anyway

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brendan_:

you probably have a different card revision than i do

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dagar:

still the same card and tuner options

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brendan_:

unless they changed the tuner

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dagar:

are you on kernel 2.6?

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brendan_:

yea

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brendan_:

2.6.8

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brendan_:

with debian unstable

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dagar:

I haven't used this thing in a long time, since kernel 2.4

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brendan_:

oh

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brendan_:

perhaps they fixed your card then

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dagar:

I used to use card=63 and tuner=17 from what I can remember but that doesn't seem to work anymore

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dagar:

or it could even be conflicting with my pvr 150

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linlin:

what distro should i load and use on a slower myth box?

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linlin:

i was thinking ubuntu(debian) server install

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dagar:

I don't suppose anyones thought of a way to have mythvideo autoscan everything

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Morphix:

im fucked

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Morphix:

wheres the UK channels in xewtv?

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Morphix:

alright im confused now

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Morphix:

is there a MythTV howto book with large writing and pictures

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JeepJerk:

hello

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JeepJerk:

anyone here using lirc with irblaster?

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JeepJerk:

I followed andy's guide to setting it up (http://www.lircsetup.com/lirc/blaster/index.php) and I'm trying to verify that its transmitting with a digital camera but I see nothing

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Z-Morek:

in everyone's opinion here, what's your fav theme and qt style?

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Z-Morek:

I find GANT lacking

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JeepJerk:

I like mythcenter

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JeepJerk:

but right now I'm using visor

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bryanT:

hey guys, is there an updated guide to installing a PVR-500? The ones I'm finding seem outdated

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JeepJerk:

should be the same as installing two 150's no?

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Z-Morek:

don't think so

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bryanT:

I thought I got it installed correctly, with the new ivtv drivers and all, but when i go to 'watch tv' I get a black screen. Have to get to terminal and kill the mythfrontend process to get back

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JeepJerk:

can you capture from shell?

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bryanT:

How do I try that?

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juski:

so much for bedtime

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juski:

is everybody's mythweather working properly?

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juski:

in mythweb, mine is saying it was last updated on 25/7

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Z-Morek:

bryanT idk what method you're using to get everything going

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Z-Morek:

but I'd suggest the wilsonet guide

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Z-Morek:

it's comprehensive, step-by-step, and has specific instructions for just about every setup

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bryanT:

Well, this is my first time so I thought it'd be easier to go with the latest knoppmyth... I have a copy of FC2 laying around, so I'll try that real quick.

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Z-Morek:

check the knoppmyth site

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Z-Morek:

knoppmyth and wilsonet have differing opinions on hard-drive partitioning

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Z-Morek:

and it can get confusing

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Z-Morek:

knoppmyth has some pretty well visited forums

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Z-Morek:

search around and you should be able to find SOMETHING helpful

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bryanT:

I've been browsing their forums... it seems like everyone with a 500 either knows what they're doing already and doesn't say much, or they are newbies like myself :)

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Z-Morek:

do you have the latest knoppmyth?

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bryanT:

yeah.

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Z-Morek:

honestly, I'm a bit of a newbie myself, so I'm probably not much help

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bryanT:

it's ok. sometimes just wording out my own questions helps a lot

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bryanT:

Here's what i've done so far... Install knoppmyth, run the install-nvidia-7142 script, installed the ivtv drivers and copied the hauppauge cd files where they needed to be.

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Z-Morek:

I know what you mean, I've answered a lot of my own questions on mirc

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Z-Morek:

latest ivtv drivers available?

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bryanT:

pretty sure: 0.2.0-rc3j

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bryanT:

yep, just checked the site, they are correct.

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Z-Morek:

well, if the stable ones don't work, you can always try the unstable

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Z-Morek:

it's worth a shot

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juski:

dammit msnbc must've changed their page format.. so mythweather is now broken

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Z-Morek:

my mythweather is workin fine

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bryanT:

I believe weather.com offers an XML feed these days...

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bryanT:

it's a heck of a lot quicker.

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juski:

heh

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EL_Whistey:

Is there any facility under mythtv-users to call an exernal program on a RC keypress?

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juski:

well, the satellite images are up to date, as are the current conditions, but the forecast on my machine thinks tomorrow is Tuesday

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EL_Whistey:

here too.

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EL_Whistey:

unless they know something about next week that we don't ...

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Z-Morek:

yeah on second thought... my list is kind of screwy

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Z-Morek:

it lists wed, thurs, fri

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juski:

lol

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Z-Morek:

then specifics on tues

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EL_Whistey:

Sat-Mon cancelled due to a terrorist alert.

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juski:

hmmmm bit of a patch required i think

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EL_Whistey:

So anyway, is there a passthrough command in mythtv?

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juski:

wouldn't you just use irexec?

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EL_Whistey:

does that coexist with mythtv?

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EL_Whistey:

If so, there's another thing I don't grok.

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juski:

it SHOULD happily co-exist

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juski:

not something I've ever tried though

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EL_Whistey:

Oh! Sweet! Thanks.

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juski:

you could always make your own menu button to launch another program...

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EL_Whistey:

Is that something requiring a recompilation?

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EL_Whistey:

or indeed any compilation?

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juski:

not sure, but possibly

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EL_Whistey:

ok, irexec ought to do it then :)

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juski:

irexec should just work – though you'd probably have to assign it to a key mythtv doesn't use

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juski:

could be confusing otherwise

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EL_Whistey:

Thanks, btw. I hadn't thought irexec would hang in parallel with mythtv, but now I think about it ... it makes sense.

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juski:

so – guess we'll have to wait & see what happens with the weather situation...

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juski:

time for bed

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juski:

thanks guys

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bryanT:

well... new ivtv unstable drivers built without error, so I'll see what rebooting does

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Z-Morek:

goodluck

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bryanT:

ever heard of a problem where it hangs on reboot at "Stopping portmap daemon:" ?

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Z-Morek:

google?

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bryanT:

It takes like 5 minutes to finally stop. I literally went and made a sandwich last time.

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bryanT:

no dice, i tried. I wouldn't ask if I hadn't searched a little...

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Z-Morek:

just makin sure

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Z-Morek:

hmmmm

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bryanT:

dang, same thing :(

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bryanT:

Time to try Fedora

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Z-Morek:

personally I never got knoppmyth working

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Z-Morek:

it felt like jamming too much stuff into the hands of too few middle men

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bryanT:

heh, yeah... but they made it look so easy

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Z-Morek:

try this

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Z-Morek:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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Z-Morek:

I had a few problems, mostly the "problem exists between keyboard and chair" type

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GreyFoxx:

heh most end up being that :)

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bryanT:

lol :)

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Z-Morek:

being a linux rookie led me to a lot of pitfalls

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GreyFoxx:

I always find the best way to learn is the most painful way :)

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bryanT:

I used Redhat for about 6 years, but now I use all Apple stuffs... so I've forgotten a lot of the linux stuff... specifically drivers & installing goofy things

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pucky:

anyone know why when I do a scheduled record I end up always recoding channel 4 even though it really should be some other channel

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Z-Morek:

yeah... :-P

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Z-Morek:

that I don't know

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mchou:

anyone here use lvm root?

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bryanT:

So, how much of the FC3 install do I need to download? Can I get by with just the first two disks, or should I go for 3?

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mchou:

bryanT: you dont need to d/l CDsall.

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mchou:

CDs at all*

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mchou:

use a net install.

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mchou:

if you only intend to install on one machine.

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bryanT:

yeah, that's my intention. Do you have a link?

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mchou:

that would be faster and you only d/l the packages you want.

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mchou:

a link??

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mchou:

how about the fc readme? :)

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mchou:

lol.

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bryanT:

for the net install, so I can read about doing it without driving you nuts.

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mchou:

it's on all the fucking mirrors.

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bryanT:

alright, sorry, I got ahead of myself.

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dagar:

how can I cleanly delete all recordings?

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dagar:

pucky, I think I have the same problem

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dagar:

do you have a pvr?

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opello:

through the interface?

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dagar:

doesn't matter

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dagar:

is there a delete all in the interface?

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Z-Morek:

any luck there bryanT?

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Flimqy:

Grrr. I wish Alsa wasn't such a pain in the ass.

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Z-Morek:

what's the problem?

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Flimqy:

Z-Morek: The current problem is that I can't get the Line In to mute

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Flimqy:

the overall problem is that ALSA is a big confusing mess that only works half of the time on some sound hardware

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Mdog:

Hey everybody. I had an incident recently where I ran out of disk space, and now I have a phantom episode that I can't delete.

[04:47:00]

Mdog:

What do I need to tell mysql to get rid of the little bugger?

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Z-Morek:

flimqy, you've ran alsa mixer, gone over to line in, pressed m, and it doesn't mute?

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Flimqy:

Z-Morek: I ran 'amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur' as per the docs on mythtv.org

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Flimqy:

did it just now with alsamixer, too

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Flimqy:

no effect

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Z-Morek:

hmm

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Z-Morek:

no clue

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Mdog:

flimqy the alsa people would probably be interested to read about it if you can't get it to mute

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Flimqy:

it makes me wonder if I have it plugged into the wrong jack... but i have it plugged into the one labeld line in

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Mdog:

z-morek have you ever had to delete an episode through mysql when the gui won't let you?

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Z-Morek:

nope

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Flimqy:

And none of the other 'ins' I mute seem to have any effect (i.e. mic, etc)

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Z-Morek:

I'm a huge noob, and honestly, I wouldn't even know how to start that

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Z-Morek:

flimqy, do you have up-to-date drivers for the audio?

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Flimqy:

Z-Morek: yeah... the alsa drivers included in 2.6.12.3

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Z-Morek:

isn't there an alternative to alsa?

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Flimqy:

OSS

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Flimqy:

which is MUCH easier to use

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Flimqy:

but doesn't support surround sound, as I understand.

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Mdog:

so the faq you're using doesn't go into oss?

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Mdog:

doh

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Z-Morek:

little late there mdog :-P

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Mdog:

:~(

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Z-Morek:

well, it sounds to me like something is either misconfigured

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Z-Morek:

or your alsa settings aren't getting saved or something...

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Flimqy:

they don't even need to get saved right now

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riddlebox:

when compiling the ivtv module do you have to download it to /usr/src?

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Mdog:

riddlebox what distro are you using?

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riddlebox:

knoppmyth(debian)

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Mdog:

...I built my mythtv with fedora...:|

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Mdog:

Hey everybody. I had an incident recently where I ran out of disk space, and now I have a phantom episode that I can't delete.

[05:05:00]

Mdog:

What do I need to tell mysql to get rid of the little bugger?

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abarbaccia_:

Mdog, if your not familiar with mysql – install phpmyadmin – its a php based graphical mysql tool taht allows you to view contents of tables and drop records

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abarbaccia_:

just install it with apache with php – and browse to localhost/phpmyadmin

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mchou:

abarbaccia_: lol, that's a COMPLETE overkill.

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abarbaccia_:

well, its not if you have mythweb installed already

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abarbaccia_:

then ally ou need to do is apt-get install phpmyadmin

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mchou:

there is a mysql gui browser that dont need apache :)

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abarbaccia_:

yea?!

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abarbaccia_:

pelase enlighten me

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abarbaccia_:

because i'm dying to know

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mchou:

lol. look it up yourself on the mysql page.

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abarbaccia_:

DAMMIT – so......lazy

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abarbaccia_:

i like phpmyadmin tho – its nice and quick (if you have the web stuff installed already)

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mchou:

abarbaccia_: http://www.mysql.com/products/query-browser/

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riddlebox:

is anyone using a pvr-500 in here?

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opello:

riddlebox: me

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Flimqy:

What's the trick to getting MythTV to output to an ALSA device instead of OSS?

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abarbaccia_:

mchou, it looks so fun

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riddlebox:

opello:do you have both tuners working with sound?

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Cowman:

Q: what all do I have to change on a single system setup so that I can connect a new frontend on another machine to the existing backend?

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opello:

riddlebox: yes

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Cowman:

already set the real IP in mythtv-setup but I'm obviously missing a step

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riddlebox:

opello:what ivtv driver are you using?

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opello:

0.3.2n

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riddlebox:

man I have used 0.3.6o through 0.3.7a and I got both with sound once

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Cowman:

since the other frontend says it can't connect to the sql database, I'm assuming I need to do something with mysql

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riddlebox:

opello:when you setup your cards in mythtv-setup, and you select /dev/video0 do you see two tuners for that card when you go to video sources?

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opello:

i use /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/v4l/video1

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riddlebox:

but when you go to put video sources on them do you see a tuner0 and tuner1 for eache?

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linlin:

Hey im hoping someone can help me. Im following this howto to install myth on my ubuntu machine i jsut loaded up: http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=mythtv#tv

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linlin:

on the "Configuring TV-out" section im having a hangup

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linlin:

on his guide he is using svideo, i am using composite

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Mdog:

Hey everybody. I had an incident recently where I ran out of disk space, and now I have a phantom episode that I can't delete.

[05:27:00]

Mdog:

What do I need to tell mysql to get rid of the little bugger?

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opello:

riddlebox: ui[

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opello:

riddlebox: yup*

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linlin:

is it as simple as changing the "SVIDEO" part to "COMPOSITE"?

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opello:

riddlebox: set it for turner0 on the first one and tuner1 on the second

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riddlebox:

ok

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Mdog:

ok team, I'm gonna spam you all with my question *one last time* and then I'm logging off in disgust

[05:40:00]

Mdog:

Hey everybody. I had an incident recently where I ran out of disk space, and now I have a phantom episode that I can't delete.

[05:40:00]

Mdog:

What do I need to tell mysql to get rid of the little bugger?

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adante:

can you elaborate more on this phantom episode?

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GreyFoxx:

look at the mythfrontend output to see the filename it's failing to find/.remove and create it. Then use the interface to remove it

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Mdog:

greyfoxx good idea...how do you get the frontend to divulge the name of the nuv?

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Flimqy:

Can anyone recommend a good sound card with surround sound support that doesn't suck in MythTV with ALSA?

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GreyFoxx:

Mdog: I'd be suprised if it wasn't spit out to the console by mythfrontend when you attempted to remove a show that it can't find on the filesystem

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Mdog:

doh, I check the mythfrontend.log and it just says "file missing" :~(

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GreyFoxx:

Try running mythfrontend with verbose logging for just that session? -v all

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rpete:

should be in the backend log

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, that makes sense

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GreyFoxx:

since the backend is what is truly managing the files

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rpete:

it'll be a funky url looking thingie, but you can deduce the filename from it

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Mdog:

backend says nothign about it, unfortunately.

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** Flimqy kicks ALSA in the nuts again **

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Cowman:

I'm trying to use a remote frontend. I keep getting an access denied error when mythfrontend tries to connect to the database. I am using the same login/password I do on the local machine but it's not working.

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adante:

Cowman: probably have to enable remote access in the db for that user

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linlin:

Can someone tell me what this guy means? I dont fully understand the termionology http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=23 . . . postcount=13

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Cowman:

I ran the commands here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html for enabling remote access, still nothin

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Cowman:

the password shown in the options in the mythfrontend is the actual password right? it's not encrypted or anything? installed with apt on debian and it just put in a generated passwd

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Mdog:

what arguments does mythfrontend accept for -v? 9 ain't doin it

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Mdog:

yeah I should read the -h, n/m

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Mdog:

thanks team, -v all did the trick

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Mdog:

thanks again

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linlin:

when i start the myth front end, the screen flashes blue (like they mythtv screenshots ive seen) then x server terminates and i get dropped bast to a console. Whats going on

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Cowman:

what's the minimum cpu I could get away with for a frontend only system?

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linlin:

probalyl about 500mhz?

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Phydbleep:

Has anyone else had mythweather lockup and just display the same data for days?

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CCFL_Man:

i can't even believe microshat has media center edition

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CCFL_Man:

anyone in their right mind would use mythtv

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Phydbleep:

Or a Betamax. :)

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CCFL_Man:

heh

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CCFL_Man:

anyone in here use dvb-s?

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Phydbleep:

This is just screwy.. My date/time is right on the screen, but mythweather is giving me a forcast for Tuesday...

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Phydbleep:

CCFL_Man: I'd love to but I cant afford the card right now. :)

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CCFL_Man:

Phydbleep: $25 from ebay? :P

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Phydbleep:

Next $25 I get has to go in the gas tank.. :\

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travolta:

breath mints + hose + gas container

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Phydbleep:

travolta: Peristalic pump and a longer hose. :)

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Phydbleep:

I'd have to hit 12 cars and a lawnmower to get 40 liters in this neighborhood though..

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HollowOut:

duhhhhhhhhhhh

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amorph:

sheesh

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amorph:

i just went to wrong channel and made an ass of myself

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amorph:

why dont they make #Mythtv the support channel and do Mythtv-dev as a development channel, makes more sense

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amorph:

hi

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Puuhis:

:)

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Puuhis:

g'afternoon

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amorph:

how goes it?

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amorph:

ive just received 5 tv cards and im eager to get started

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amorph:

but i have no clue where to begin

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Puuhis:

5?

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amorph:

5 separate cards yeah

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amorph:

i didnt know which was best so i got them all

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Puuhis:

you surely don't want to miss any program on different channel..

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adante:

wowee, that's one warm computer

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amorph:

hehe yes

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adante:

oh heh it's ok your uk, you've got 30+ to choose from :]

[12:48:00]

amorph:

i have an old Modular MM100 in my sys already

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amorph:

but i dont think its supported by my kernel

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Puuhis:

I just got my Pinnacle 300i working with debian

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amorph:

Ive heard people have problems with Pinnacle and Linux sometimes?

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Puuhis:

only thing left is the remote..

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Puuhis:

YES

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Puuhis:

:)

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amorph:

im a debian user also

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amorph:

what kernel are you running?

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Puuhis:

I found suitable configuration to 300i, 2.6.11 with video4linux patch

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amorph:

excellent

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amorph:

I think i will need to patch mine too as i have 2.6.11

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amorph:

the tuner isnt working

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Puuhis:

are you going to use 1, 2 or all 5 cards simultaneously?

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amorph:

oh just 1 card, i dont need nothing fancy really just live tv pix overlay and i wont even save video

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Puuhis:

yep

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amorph:

i need it to watch tv in other room and also to capture stills from my favourite antiques shows

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Puuhis:

what kind of cards do you have then? some hauppauge cards are easiest to install? if I've heard correctly

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amorph:

i like the idea of a digital video recorder and time shifted tv but i just dont have the hardware or time really to set it up

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amorph:

i have 1 hauppauge but its old

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Puuhis:

dvb-t / dvb-c?

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amorph:

i also have this other card which has "LiveTV" on it, no clue who the manufacturer is, but its a BT878 chipset

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amorph:

is that a model reference?

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Puuhis:

I meant digital video, are you going to watch analog or digital tv?

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amorph:

oh sorry, i want to watch digital signal

[12:54:00]

Puuhis:

ok

[12:54:00]

amorph:

i have a cable set top box

[12:54:00]

Puuhis:

what I would do if I were you = google if someone has already installed your card with mythtv

[12:54:00]

amorph:

the Hauppauge card is a WinTV 60115 Rev A1V card

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amorph:

ok

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Puuhis:

it's easy if someone has how-to for it

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amorph:

this is seriously old card

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amorph:

cuz its using the BT848 chipset

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Puuhis:

try to google with card name / chipset + mythtv

[12:55:00]

amorph:

ok

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Puuhis:

I've almost finished my little article about my setup

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amorph:

no matches heh

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amorph:

not good

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amorph:

cool

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Puuhis:

what other cards you got?

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amorph:

errrm

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amorph:

AverMedia AverTV M168-U

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amorph:

another Modular MM100 (BT849) and an MM200 (BT878)

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amorph:

TVLive (BT878)

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amorph:

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amorph:

all have been detected ok but i dunno which is best to use really

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Puuhis:

you sure those are even dvb-cards?

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amorph:

i dont know to be honest

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Puuhis:

sounds so cheap :)

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amorph:

ya

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amorph:

eBay eh

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Puuhis:

my pinnacle 300i cost about 120euros last christmas

[13:00:00]

amorph:

i managed to get my other Modular MM100 working with my cable box last year in Windows 98

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amorph:

that worked beautifully

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amorph:

phew

[13:00:00]

amorph:

but thats a very latest card right? with onboard eh

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Puuhis:

well, analog / digital receiver with radio and remote..

[13:01:00]

amorph:

dont need a special card to take a video signal from TV which has a cable signal in?

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amorph:

*vcr

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Puuhis:

pinnacle has video in connectors

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amorph:

cool

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Puuhis:

not using then though

[13:01:00]

amorph:

all of these cards have Vid In

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amorph:

and some have remote and other video formats like AV, and S-video

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Puuhis:

but, try to google those cards.. I don't have any idea about those

[13:02:00]

amorph:

ok

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amorph:

i can use Mythtv to overlay pix across network?

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Puuhis:

yes, there's some mythstream or something

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Puuhis:

haven't used

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amorph:

im concerned about the network bandwidth usage and if it can work over nfs

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amorph:

what do you use MythTV for?

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Puuhis:

watch DVB-T, listen to music, watch videos

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Puuhis:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/

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Puuhis:

that's one what you should look for too

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amorph:

excellent

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amorph:

its great project

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Puuhis:

yes

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amorph:

i should take pix of all these cards eh

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amorph:

for the benefit of other people

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Puuhis:

http://puuhis.net/htpc/

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Puuhis:

that's my project

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Puuhis:

page is Not finished yet

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amorph:

you documented it well and have nice pix

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Puuhis:

there will be more documentation after I get everything working (remote etc)

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amorph:

thats really neat

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amorph:

shows you can make stuff cheaply and not pay high prices for fancy tvs in store

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amorph:

i like that

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Puuhis:

yes, that was cheap.. only thing what I had to buy was tv-card

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amorph:

and if its networked so much the better, will you network that?

[13:07:00]

Puuhis:

yes, it's connected to network

[13:07:00]

amorph:

cool

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Puuhis:

later it will be on WiFi

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amorph:

so your hauppauge lives in there?

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Puuhis:

Pinnacle 300i

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amorph:

oh yes sorry

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Puuhis:

:)

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amorph:

would you recommend i buy a Pinnacle?

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amorph:

im gonna collect all the tv cards i can i think since they are so cheap

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Puuhis:

no I don't, hard to get work with linux

[13:08:00]

amorph:

thats a pity

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amorph:

in the UK you can receive text information pages to your card

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Puuhis:

I don't know which card to recommend, you should look from forums

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amorph:

do you have that?

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Puuhis:

teletext?

[13:09:00]

amorph:

yes

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Puuhis:

yep

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amorph:

thats very useful I think and has some interesting possibilities

[13:09:00]

Puuhis:

yes

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Puuhis:

(btw, I'm from Finland)

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amorph:

thats a cold place?

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Puuhis:

not atm :)

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amorph:

:)

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Puuhis:

but winters, yes

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amorph:

you patched your kernel then

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Puuhis:

yes

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amorph:

i heard the 2.6.12 wont need it

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Puuhis:

I tried 2.6.12.3 with my card, didn't work

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amorph:

oh

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Puuhis:

that's why I got back to 2.6.11

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amorph:

maybe its just the Pinnacle then

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Puuhis:

yes..

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Puuhis:

pinnacle is quite a headache

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amorph:

:-/

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Puuhis:

they don't support linux, only windows..

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amorph:

that sux

[13:12:00]

amorph:

Linux driver support for Windows hardware is still developing eh

[13:12:00]

amorph:

i had a lot of problems with my Wacom pad but mainly due to confusing documentation

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amorph:

finally got a driver to work

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Puuhis:

glad that Gerd has wrote drivers for linux (thanks for others too who has participated)

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amorph:

yes its a good thing to see more drivers coming available thru the efforts of good spirited people

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amorph:

they give their time freely for the benefit of everyone eh

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Puuhis:

yes, it's a big jungle with linux & drivers

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amorph:

yes

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amorph:

you are handy with the old woodwork i see

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Puuhis:

heh, it's nice to do with own hands = cheap

[13:15:00]

amorph:

my brother is like that he always makes speaker cabinets out of MDF wood

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amorph:

yes

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amorph:

did you find some very quiet fans?

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Puuhis:

there isn't even final photos of setup yet, have to take.. I have 3 fans, one for power supply (not so loud, power supply is hidden in the case..) one for gfx (makes some noise, have to move from 12 volts => 5 volts) and last one to move air out of the case (80mm case fan, that should be moved to 5 volts too)..

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amorph:

will 30GB be enough?

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Puuhis:

no, I don't think so.. I can add extra hd later

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amorph:

i guess you wont be using SCSI in that box eh

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amorph:

heh

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Puuhis:

30GB will be full of TV recordings pretty soon

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Puuhis:

heh, no

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amorph:

i love SCSI drives but they're so damn noisey and generate so much heat

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Puuhis:

not so suitable for htpc's

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amorph:

running the fans at lower voltage for a slower spin is good idea

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amorph:

the box is well ventilated eh

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Puuhis:

yes, I'm going to try that and see what it does to heating

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Puuhis:

now it stays around normal temperatures

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amorph:

you could make an exhaust fan maybe

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Puuhis:

I have holes on the bottom of case, that's where case fan sucks air and moves around case

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amorph:

excellent

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Puuhis:

my hardware is older = doesn't warm so much than some decent pcs'

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amorph:

can you not use storage outside the box?

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amorph:

a raid on your LAN maybe

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Puuhis:

could be done I think.. or windows network shares

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amorph:

yes

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amorph:

that would keep things cooler eh

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Puuhis:

yep, hd keeps warming

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amorph:

also quiet

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amorph:

nfs is good but i dunno if it would be ok for mythtv

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amorph:

i watch videos across it on my LAN without any probs tho

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Puuhis:

yep

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amorph:

i will bookmark your page and follow with interest to see final pix

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Puuhis:

:)

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amorph:

your next project will be to make another box for raid

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amorph:

;-)

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Puuhis:

heh

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amorph:

as your storage needs grow

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Puuhis:

there has been some reviews about network storage devices, not so cheap.. don't need extra computer for those, just attach to network

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Puuhis:

like one terabyte

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amorph:

phew

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Puuhis:

some hundred euros

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Puuhis:

(500–600?)

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amorph:

high capacity drives are still quite expensive eh

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amorph:

thats why i like raiding up smaller drivers

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Puuhis:

yep..

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amorph:

plus if a high capacity drive dies u r screwed

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Puuhis:

heh

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amorph:

with a raid, no problem

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Puuhis:

http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-d . . . ategoryid=19

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Puuhis:

like one of these

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amorph:

phew

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amorph:

how much?

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Puuhis:

517 euros

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Puuhis:

oh sorry

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Puuhis:

916..

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amorph:

well thats quite reasonable really, its not out of the realm of the average PC user

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amorph:

ah

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amorph:

quite pricey

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amorph:

you saving for one of those?

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Puuhis:

I have to look for more stores selling that..

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Puuhis:

could be something what I need

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Puuhis:

but too expensive atm

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amorph:

massive data

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amorph:

price will come down in a year or so

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Puuhis:

as usually

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amorph:

new technology is always expensive eh

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Puuhis:

:)

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amorph:

if you build a raid-5 box i will buy it

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amorph:

:P

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Puuhis:

heh

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amorph:

oh well bak to work for me, keep up the good work eh

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Tommck:

wow... I thought no other country could get as stupid with taking away consumers rights than the USA, but looks like Canada has taken that crown with authority

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Tommck:

just in case nobody knows what I'm talking about: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/29/canada_bans_copying_.html

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Puuhis:

huh

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Tommck:

they've banned copying CDs to iPods

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fatmatt:

I think technically, in Australia your not allowed to make copies

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fatmatt:

even a tape for the car,

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Tommck:

so, in order to listen to your own CDs on an iPod you have to buy the music twice?

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fatmatt:

nobody has ever been taken to court about it, afaik, but there aren't any "fair use" laws here

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Tommck:

ah

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fatmatt:

I think thats the reason that they havn't taken anyone to court about it. If they did then they'd probably lose and we would have default/precedent rules about fair use,

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fatmatt:

IANAL

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Tommck:

you'd think, but we don't have that with DVD watching (in the US) now

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Tommck:

well, I guess technically you can probably still back up the DVD without decrypting.

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Tommck:

But you can't watch it on an unapproved device (anything that didn't license the DeCSS algo) like most Linux boxes.

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Tommck:

and you can't convert it into different formats legally either

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Tommck:

anyone in here use ogle with an s/pdif output and get AC3 and DTS working?

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Tommck:

cuz I can't get that to work.

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Tommck:

the s/pdif is working, but it's giving me PCM and not AC3 or DTS

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Tommck:

ogle apparently can't find alsa either...

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fatmatt:

anyone used gcc4 to compile a kernel? I'm getting warnings, not sure if they are serious

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Dibblah:

Completely OT: Has anyone else built their own DVD changer?

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cochi:

Dibblah: lemme guess... using these 400 CD changers for HiFi? ;)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

I've never built a dvd changer

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** Tommck is not sure how one _builds_ a DVD changer **

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CyberKnet:

I did see a story once on slashdot about a byo cd duplicator that would load its own cds, but that's a different deal again than even a cd changer

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CyberKnet:

Tommck: I'm thinking the same way you build a cd changer.

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Tommck:

CyberKnet – in a factory?

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CyberKnet:

Tommck: of course not

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CyberKnet:

Tommck: duct tape and clothes pins

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Tommck:

:)

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js2638:

duct tape and clothes pins??!!? who do you think you are Macgyver?

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Tommck:

That's Brigadier General Jack O'neill!

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Tommck:

lol

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Tommck:

<-- nerd

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cochi:

lol

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cochi:

Tommck, stop it. just watched 4 episodes of SG1 ;)

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cochi:

if you now start talking Stargate here i'll fully lose my sense for reality

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Tommck:

:)

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laga:

chevron 7..activated!

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Tommck:

whooooooooooosh!!

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laga:

let's send a robot there first!

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Tommck:

that would be a MALP :)

[15:53:00]

cochi:

lol

[15:54:00]

cochi:

lucky guys in the us getting new SG+Atlantis episodes today :|

[15:54:00]

cochi:

*grmbl*

[15:54:00]

cochi:

and i'll again have to DL it

[15:54:00]

Tommck:

yep... cochl – where are you?

[15:54:00]

cochi:

(why the heck don't they offer them for Download for like $2 ? I'd pay gladly)

[15:54:00]

cochi:

germany

[15:54:00]

Tommck:

ahh.

[15:54:00]

cochi:

always firing up emule for new episodes. that sucks big time

[15:55:00]

cochi:

maybe they'll get there when that video-like itunes goes well

[15:55:00]

cochi:

offering episodes on the net for money has so much more potential for the film industry

[15:55:00]

cochi:

oh mh. getting kinda offtopic i guess ;))

[15:55:00]

Tommck:

yeah

[15:56:00]

cochi:

well i'm glad they got atlantis season 1 dubbed + broadcasted here with just some months delay. in the past they rather had some years there

[15:56:00]

cochi:

so hoping to see the dubbed ones in .. say ... early 06 ;)

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laga:

hallo cochi, warum bist du nicht in #mythtv-de? ;)

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Tommck:

hehe

[15:57:00]

** laga really wants to see married with children again **

[15:57:00]

laga:

al bundy for president!

[15:57:00]

cochi:

laga, a) wusst ich nich dasses das gibt b) sind hier sicher mehr leute c) hab ich am tag eh mehr englisch als deutsch um die ohren ;)

[15:57:00]

CyberKnet:

laga: mmmm.... christina applegate

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CyberKnet:

cochi: lol

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laga:

cochi: heh, sorry. i see myself as some kind of propaganda minister ;)

[15:58:00]

cochi:

noticed, copied, had success ;)

[15:58:00]

laga:

cochi: ugh. christina is yummy, but helluva stupid as kelly ;)

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CyberKnet:

laga: stupid, smart... with a total package like that, she can be whatever she wants.

[15:59:00]

laga:

heh

[15:59:00]

laga:

we have a proverb that basically says the dumber the better...

[16:00:00]

Tommck:

she looked SMOKING in Anchorman

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CyberKnet:

Tommck: also in The Sweetest Thing

[16:00:00]

laga:

haven't seen it yet

[16:00:00]

Tommck:

don't know that one

[16:01:00]

CyberKnet:

Tommck: let's just say you see her trying to pee into a urinal.

[16:01:00]

** CyberKnet watches copies of The Sweetest Thing fly off the shelves of video stores **

[16:01:00]

Tommck:

hehe.. nice

[16:01:00]

cochi:

CyberKnet: a friend of mine did so, too. worked perfectly she said. although some men must've looked a bit puzzled then ;)

[16:02:00]

CyberKnet:

cochi: And honestly, I don't blame the men for being puzzled.

[16:02:00]

CyberKnet:

Anyways, the best part of The Sweetest Thing was not that scene.

[16:02:00]

CyberKnet:

So. Just imagine.

[16:04:00]

laga:

.oO(...weird-fetish-day...)

[16:04:00]

CyberKnet:

laga: okay. a hint as to the best part. Selma Blair, and a peircing.

[16:06:00]

laga:

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0365125/Ss/036 . . . air,%20Selma

[16:06:00]

laga:

a nipple piercing?

[16:06:00]

CyberKnet:

nope.

[16:06:00]

CyberKnet:

the piercing is not on her =)

[16:06:00]

laga:

oh. ok.

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CyberKnet:

=)

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** laga hugs any sysadmin who is around **

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cochi:

ta

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CyberKnet:

laga: any particular reason?

[16:13:00]

laga:

CyberKnet: http://www.sysadminday.com/

[16:13:00]

laga:

*shakes his head*

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CyberKnet:

bah

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amorph:

hi guys

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amorph:

seems im having trouble with my tuner, i cant get no tuning

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amorph:

i checked dmesg and i think my tuner module is not there

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Tommck:

i can't get no satisfaction, so we're even

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amorph:

anyone advise what needs to be done?

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Krazylegz:

Which tuner?

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Krazylegz:

amorph: Which tuner?

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amorph:

i dont know

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amorph:

im trying to find out :(

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Krazylegz:

Which card do you have?

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amorph:

AVerMedia AVerTV M168-U

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Krazylegz:

Do you know which module you need?

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amorph:

i have no clue, i think the card is detected becuz in dmesg it has all the info

[16:31:00]

amorph:

it uses the BT878 chipset

[16:32:00]

amorph:

but a msg comes up that says tuner module was not found

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Krazylegz:

Which distro are you using?

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amorph:

also...i have 5 tv cards and none of them can work (cant tune them) even tho all the cards are detected

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amorph:

Debian Sarge (2.6.11)

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Krazylegz:

Ah. Well, it's not a Mac, so don't expect them to work right away. :-)

[16:33:00]

Krazylegz:

Anyway, you need the bttv driver.

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fatmatt:

5 tv cards?

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Krazylegz:

You can do lsmod and see if that module is loaded. If you want, you can do lsmod | grep bttv, which you probably know will only show modules with bttv in the name.

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amorph:

hehe

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amorph:

i wish i had a mac

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amorph:

ok

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Krazylegz:

Good luck getting Myth working on a Mac.

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amorph:

Krazylegz all the modules seem to be loaded

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amorph:

should there be a tuner one too tho?

[16:36:00]

amorph:

fatmatt i have 6 in total

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amorph:

but 2 are same

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Krazylegz:

amorph: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/faq.html#tuner

[16:37:00]

Krazylegz:

That might help.

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amorph:

Krazylegz: many thanks im lost

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Krazylegz:

I'll try, but I haven't worked with too much of this stuff. I guess no one else is around, though.

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amorph:

ok

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amorph:

first i will grep dmesg to see what the actual tuner error was

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Krazylegz:

Oh, there was an error?

[16:40:00]

amorph:

yes

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Krazylegz:

I didn't know that.

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amorph:

sorry

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amorph:

im trying to locate the msg

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N-Tropy:

anyone know how to get idvd to read myth files captured from a pvr-250

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Tommck:

I dont' even know what iDvd is

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Krazylegz:

Tommck: Sounds like some Mac software.

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N-Tropy:

yeah.

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N-Tropy:

was disapointed quicktime didn't figure out the format of the myth files.

[16:47:00]

Krazylegz:

They're just MPEG2.

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Beirdo:

rename it to .mpg

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N-Tropy:

i tried that.

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Beirdo:

and try again

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Krazylegz:

Oh, good call.

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Beirdo:

ask Apple then :)

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Beirdo:

sorry :)

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N-Tropy:

tried the normal little things... was thinking there might be something odd about the files. lacking a header or something

[16:48:00]

Beirdo:

nope, just an MPEG2 stream

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Beirdo:

unless you turned on transcoding in myth

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Beirdo:

in which case you are screwed

[16:49:00]

Beirdo:

with no transcoding, it's MPEG2-PS (unless you set otherwise)

[16:49:00]

Beirdo:

which should be readable by any MPEG2 program, I'd think

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GeckoFiend:

N-Tropy I've had no issues with them and various Windows DVD creation apps

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Beirdo:

I'm betting that transcoding's on

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N-Tropy:

GeckoFiend: I think i had to install some codecs to get my windows dvd program to work. but I also don't like the program. I like the idvd interface.

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GeckoFiend:

N-Tropy the only codec you'd have needed was the MPEG2 codecs, if you needed something else then you're probably transcoding the recordings

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N-Tropy:

Beirdo: not sure wich of the mpeg-2 setting i'm using. i'd have to ssh home to find out.

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Beirdo:

unless you changed it, the default is -PS

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amorph:

phew

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amorph:

system locked up and had to reboot, then i realised i couldnt get X up cuz my network cable had been unplugged and nfs was down

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N-Tropy:

Beirdo: whatever i'm using is 2.2 gb an hour or so

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Krazylegz:

N-Tropy: You have Windows, right?

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amorph:

Krazylegz sorry i may have missed anything you said to me upto the point where you said "I wasnt told that."

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Beirdo:

N-Tropy: that's just a bitrate setting that changes that part

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Krazylegz:

amorph: I didn't say anything.

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amorph:

ok

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amorph:

as i was saying, everything seems ok in dmesg and messages, the modules are loaded

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Krazylegz:

Is your tuner set properly?

[16:57:00]

amorph:

but i remember seeing some errors when i was booting concerning driver modules

[16:57:00]

amorph:

i dont think so, but in dmesg it says its set to 5

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Krazylegz:

N-Tropy: Not sure what to use on Linux, but in Windows you can use a program called G-Spot to get a lot of information about your video files.

[16:57:00]

N-Tropy:

Krazylegz: yeah. only use it for bf2 really...

[16:57:00]

amorph:

where are errors from boot normally logged to, dmesg isnt it?

[16:58:00]

Krazylegz:

Are you seeing all of dmesg?

[16:58:00]

amorph:

maybe not

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N-Tropy:

Krazylegz: I don't like wasting time in windows... wonder what file will tell me.

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Krazylegz:

amorph: do dmesg | less

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amorph:

ok

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Beirdo:

N-Tropy: well, you can waste some time in OS-X instead then :)

[16:59:00]

N-Tropy:

I usualy don't have to reboot the os-x all that often ;)

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Krazylegz:

Beirdo: Is there an analog in Linux, or do you just have to use file?

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Beirdo:

umm

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amorph:

isnt that weird! the msgs i saw during boot arent in dmesg at all

[17:00:00]

Beirdo:

you can try loading it up in mplayer, see whet it's identified as

[17:00:00]

amorph:

one referred to tvaudio.? module not being found, and there was at least a couple of others the same, maybe tuner. too

[17:00:00]

Krazylegz:

That's right. I forgot about doing that.

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amorph:

in anycase bttv module is loaded and the card was autodetected and the tuner, so i can ignore the other msgs?

[17:01:00]

Krazylegz:

Did you try changing your tuner type?

[17:02:00]

amorph:

wheres the paste bot

[17:02:00]

amorph:

Krazylegz i didnt try it, but i have no clue what to change it too since i dont know what type of tuner it is on the card :-/

[17:02:00]

Krazylegz:

http://pastebin.com

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amorph:

thanks

[17:03:00]

N-Tropy:

mpeg-ps 720X480

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Krazylegz:

I thought you knew that you had a BT878 or something.

[17:03:00]

amorph:

http://pastebin.com/324667

[17:03:00]

amorph:

yes the card has a BT878 but the tuners can vary depending on the manufacturer?

[17:05:00]

Krazylegz:

Did you try the things in this FAQ?

[17:05:00]

amorph:

im just about to now

[17:05:00]

amorph:

can u give me that url again as i lost it when my sys locked up?

[17:06:00]

amorph:

maybe i need a kernel patch

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amorph:

all i see is like static noise on the tv window

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CyberKnet:

Tommck: http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html

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amorph:

im screwed :-/

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Krazylegz:

amorph: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/faq.html#tuner

[17:10:00]

amorph:

thanks

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amorph:

how many tuner types are there?

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Krazylegz:

I forget. Guys?

[17:12:00]

Krazylegz:

"One MILLION....tuner types!"

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amorph:

ive attempted to load tda9887 tuner module

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amorph:

damn

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Krazylegz:

What happened then?

[17:12:00]

amorph:

nothing

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amorph:

i wonder if its because im using a cable signal in instead of normal one

[17:13:00]

Krazylegz:

Paste the output from lspci into pastebin.

[17:13:00]

amorph:

ive noticed on alot of the softwares they do specify cable frequency ranges separately

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amorph:

ok

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Krazylegz:

Well, that's what the tuner type does, it specifies your frequencies for you.

[17:14:00]

amorph:

http://pastebin.com/324676

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amorph:

oh i see

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Krazylegz:

So, you don't know who made the card?

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amorph:

AverMedia

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amorph:

is there a way to confirm what tuner type 5 is?

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amorph:

im in the UK but i dunno whether 5 would be UK frequency table

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Krazylegz:

Google.

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amorph:

ok

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amorph:

it looks more promising

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amorph:

as its scanning for channels its changing from white noise a bit

[17:23:00]

amorph:

success!!!!

[17:23:00]

amorph:

i have tv

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amorph:

tuner module was not loaded

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amorph:

wooooooohoooooo

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Krazylegz:

Neat.

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amorph:

thanks Krazylegs for help

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Krazylegz:

Which modules?

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amorph:

well...

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amorph:

i did a search on Google for a tuner type list and it said to check in tuner.h module file for a list, so i did a locate on that and it was in my old kernel path

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amorph:

so i thought perhaps it wasnt loaded and did a modprobe, and voila, scanned no problem

[17:25:00]

Krazylegz:

Nice.

[17:25:00]

amorph:

phew this shud be documented eh

[17:25:00]

Krazylegz:

Well, shouldn't tuner.h be in your current module path?

[17:25:00]

amorph:

and why isnt that module included in Debian's 2.6.11 stock kernel

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Krazylegz:

Er, kernel path?

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amorph:

yes definitely

[17:26:00]

amorph:

i dunno why it isnt, maybe its just my system

[17:26:00]

Krazylegz:

Most people here will probably say that you should build and install the modules yourself anyway, to avoid using out-of-date drivers.

[17:26:00]

amorph:

i guess

[17:26:00]

Krazylegz:

Anyway, it's fixed.

[17:27:00]

amorph:

yes

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amorph:

now i just need to decide which of the 5 cards i have is the best to use

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amorph:

they're all based on one of two chipsets so prolly much the same

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amorph:

old cards and no onboard encoders as far as i know

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cochi:

brr

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cochi:

better should've bought 5 PVR500 or so ;))

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amorph:

hehe i couldnt afford it

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cochi:

(jeez. 10 tuners. that'd be enough for a whole house)

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cochi:

ah bleeeeah ;)

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Krazylegz:

Haha.

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amorph:

i just wanted something cheap to throw in to watch tv across my network really

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Krazylegz:

A whole house?!?! Maybe a whole neighborhood.

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amorph:

im not really gonna setup a full Mythtv with video capturing etc

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cochi:

"oh damn. 8 episodes of stargate in parallel" *recordAll*

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Krazylegz:

Consider it RAID video recording.

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Tommck:

cochi – in parallel?

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cochi:

oh yeah. each card records a bit of the screen. cool ;)

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Tommck:

you have 8 cards? :)

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Krazylegz:

cochi: I was thinking redundant.

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** cochi slaps Tommck. I was kinnin' man! **

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Tommck:

hehe

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Tommck:

I"m outta here... good day to all

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cochi:

ah. card's broken, nevermind, plug another one in somewhen +g*

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cochi:

cu Tommck

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Krazylegz:

Mmm, hot-swappable PVR-500...

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amorph:

i think this card is screwed

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amorph:

its b&w and theres lines on it, even fine tuning doesnt help

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Beirdo:

make sure you have it set to PAL

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Beirdo:

not NTSC

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amorph:

oh ok

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Beirdo:

that's often the problem htere

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GeckoFiend:

heh Beirdo beat me to it

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Krazylegz:

Canada is NTSC?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

and the UK is PAL

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Krazylegz:

Right.

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Beirdo:

and amorph is seemingly in the UK

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Krazylegz:

I just wasn't sure about Canada.

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amorph:

does anyone know how to get the options up in tvtime?

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amorph:

strange

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amorph:

perfect picture with xawtv

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amorph:

xawtv/scantv expects to use dev/vbi for some reason so i had to add a symbolic link to my real device

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amorph:

sheesh

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amorph:

why is everything so buggy

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amorph:

cant get channel window up in xawtv

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amorph:

sorted

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DaveJohnson:

Hi all. Anyone know why mythtv would be showing an empty EPG even though the relevant table has current & valid EPG data in it?

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Equilibre:

Folks.

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CyberKnet:

Folks.

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Krazylegz:

Maybe irc.gnu.org won't drop me all the time.

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CyberKnet:

morning xris

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CyberKnet:

tough traffic today?

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xris:

traffic? me?

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CyberKnet:

I was thinking so. I guess not.

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** CyberKnet tracks his video car **

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CyberKnet:

d

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xris:

nope. I have a 4 mile commute, half of which is on way-out-of-the-way surface streets (the other are the usual busy type)

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CyberKnet:

out for delivery at 7am =)

[18:34:00]

CyberKnet:

4 mile is pretty decent.

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xris:

very

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CyberKnet:

We need to get poor kormoc some help with his m179 cards.

[18:35:00]

CyberKnet:

I can't believe they're causing him so much trouble. I never had any difficulty getting them to work either time I installed them into a linux box.

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** CyberKnet has about a 12 mile commute **

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** Krazylegz has a 12 foot commute **

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CyberKnet:

"commute"

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Krazylegz:

Hey, I don't make fun of your commute. :-)

[18:46:00]

CyberKnet:

Hey, we all have different names for it.

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CyberKnet:

I'm just surprised that you call it "commute"

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Krazylegz:

I like to feel important.

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** CyberKnet berates his system administrator **

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CyberKnet:

stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid .... gah.

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Krazylegz:

Details! :-)

[19:03:00]

CyberKnet:

well, he installed software on our intranet web server instead of our internet web server

[19:03:00]

CyberKnet:

which doesn't sound so dumb

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CyberKnet:

but he does it *all the time*

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xris:

CyberKnet: can't do that today. you're supposed to be appreciating sysadmins today.

[19:04:00]

CyberKnet:

"install this on web01 please" "Installed" "Doesn't work... did you put it on web03 instead of web01?" "I installed it on web03. If it doesn't work then please email sysadmin2"

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CyberKnet:

xris: I appreciate competance.

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Beirdo:

Krazylegz has the kind of commute that doesn't require pants? bastard

[19:04:00]

Krazylegz:

Haha.

[19:04:00]

Krazylegz:

You wouldn't be so jealous if you saw my paychecks.

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xris:

Beirdo: I used to have one of those.

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Beirdo:

heh, so did I.

[19:05:00]

Beirdo:

the $0/week really blew though

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xris:

sit around in flannel "lounge" pants all day....

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Krazylegz:

Oh no, I have a job. I just work from home.

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xris:

ah. see, I used to get fridays at home (probably more if I wanted them)... then I got a minion to look after.

[19:05:00]

xris:

figured I should be responsible and come into work every day.

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Beirdo:

blame kormoc

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** xris waters his minion so he'll grow big and strong like the other office plants. **

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Krazylegz:

I don't make as much as someone who would do the same job 9–5 in a building would.

[19:06:00]

** kormoc laughs and grows towards the light of the monitors. **

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Beirdo:

watch out for the third eye, kormoc

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Equilibre:

OK I give up, nobody seems to be bothering with trying to use OSX as a mythfrontend anymore :)

[19:26:00]

xris:

Equilibre: I try occasionally.

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xris:

but it crashes.

[19:27:00]

Equilibre:

Same here.

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Equilibre:

In my case, the distributed binary hangs.

[19:27:00]

Beirdo:

xris: just how the fuck do I open reloadable film cartridges? :)

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Equilibre:

Kind of a bummer, it would be sweet to watch Myth recorded content on my Powerbook.

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xris:

Beirdo: huh?

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xris:

with a strong fingernail. heh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so it seems

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Beirdo:

just got one open

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xris:

actually, you hold them upside down (nub side down) and slam them down onto a table

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

I dunno that I wanna try that

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xris:

(seriously, that's how I was taught)

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xris:

doesn't take much force to pop off the bottom

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xris:

and it's a lot easier than struggling to pull it apart with your fingers in complete darkness

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Beirdo:

well, I'll be damned

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Beirdo:

that works great :)

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xris:

hahaha,.. told you

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xris:

you starting to roll your own film?

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Beirdo:

I bought a roll of 100ASA slide film that will expire in a month

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Beirdo:

100ft of it... $60

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

what the hell, why not

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xris:

nice

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xris:

as long as your developer will return your cannisters to you (which I assume yours does)

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Beirdo:

Kodak Ecktachrome 100 Professional

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Beirdo:

they should

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Beirdo:

I bought them there

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Beirdo:

but they are $0.89 each with 100ASA DX encoding on em

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Beirdo:

should work fine

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Beirdo:

and if I need to buy new ones, big deal

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jvs_:

god evening

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xris:

jvs_: no religion speak here. ;)

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Beirdo:

we don't need the flame wars :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jvs_:

oh my god, I'm sorry :P

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Beirdo:

I never thought of using the brute force method like that

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Beirdo:

makes sense

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Equilibre:

maybe setting up to do streaming through MythWeb is a better option.

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Beirdo:

although I'll be loading them in a hand-winding loader

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** xris grumbles and wonders if he'll ever have time to integrate that stuff into the official mythweb branch. **

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kormoc:

http://www.mindprod.com/jgloss/unmain.html

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Chutt:

yay, i don't have to fly to seattle on sunday

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xris:

Chutt: hey, that sucks. could have taken you out for a drink.

[19:36:00]

Chutt:

no, it's good

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xris:

well, yes... that, too.

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Chutt:

well, aside from not being able to meet some of you guys

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Chutt:

last might cross country flights suck ass

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Chutt:

err, minute

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Chutt:

i have absolutely no idea how i typed 'might' there

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xris:

heh

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xris:

Chutt: well, do let us know if you ever get stuck visiting our area again.

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kormoc:

yeah, it's not like Seattle's /that/ bad :P

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Chutt:

well, it was me or this other guy going

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Chutt:

still no new restricted-modules in breezy

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jshriver:

greetings.. anyone here use the Hauppage WinTV-Go or WinTV Pro?

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jshriver:

wanting to get a TV tuner/capture card that'l work with Linux, and mencoder for use as a DVR

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Chutt:

this channel is for mythtv, not for mencoder.

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jshriver:

well mythtV too...

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Chutt:

suuure

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jshriver:

if MythTV can use the card via linux than mencoder can too

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Chutt:

not necessarily

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jshriver:

just didnt know if there was any pro's/con's with WinTV-Go, WinTV Pro, or ATI All in Wonder

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Chutt:

the mythtv docs have a large section on supported tv cards

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jshriver:

oh.. hrm.. thought mythTV just used the /dev/tvtuner or whatever device which is mapped from bttv or whatever driver. thought it was a common interfacec to TV cards

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jshriver:

I'm not so much concerned with what softwre I use for DVR as I am about quality of the card and support

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kormoc:

quality of the card means don't get a bttv card, get a pvr 150/250/350/500

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jshriver:

pvr? hrm will google it.. is that the Digital Cable TV cards? takes slink etc

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jshriver:

bbl

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Filip:

Panic! There's something very wrong with my database. MythTV reports 0 recordings and -2147483648% used, oGB free on a disk that should have around 70% use

[21:03:00]

Filip:

Can I access the database somehow?

[21:03:00]

Filip:

maybe I've fsck'd my access when I was fiddling with it before

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Filip:

How do I check who has access?

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juski:

cd to the directory before the one containing the recordings

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juski:

then do ls -al

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juski:

should show you the owner

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Filip:

root owns everything.

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juski:

maybe the database is just borked then

[21:06:00]

Filip:

I wasn't aware of that, but my backend runs as root, so that's not a surpirise I suppose

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Filip:

Can I rebuild it somehow?

[21:07:00]

Filip:

My frontend has difficulties communicating with my backend

[21:07:00]

Filip:

System information reports backend troubles

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juski:

AFAIK the backend should be run as root

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Filip:

so that's ok, but how do I check the integrity opf the database?

[21:08:00]

juski:

if you can, have a look at the tables with something like webmin or phpmyadmin

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juski:

see if everything looks sensible there

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Filip:

emerging webmin now

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kormoc:

emerge phpmyadmin if your gonna use a web mysql client

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Filip:

will do

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Randall64:

woo, my s/pdif bracket got delivered

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Krazylegz:

You need that for fun EE tricks?

[21:21:00]

Randall64:

I just need it for dvd playback.

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** Randall64 waits for amd64-patched glibc to finish **

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Filip:

OK, I can see the database, but I haven'r really found options to see the actual contents, just the structure

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Filip:

does the frontend-running user need permissions to the database? Because currently only root does

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mchou:

umm, is there a run-time setting for XVMC, or that's (strictly) a compile-time thing for myth? I.e. if xvmc is compiled in is there an option to turn it on or off?

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juski:

you can turn it off in the frontend menus under playback settings somewhere

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mchou:

juski: bah, I'm having a hard time finding the setting :)

[21:31:00]

mchou:

what's the mysql field? :)

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juski:

hmmm

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rtsai:

i thought I saw on the mailing list somewhere that you can do NO_XV=1 mythfrontend or something like that

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jvs_:

XV is not xvmc

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rtsai:

oops you're right; my bad

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mchou:

jvs_: exactly :)

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jvs_:

you need to disable , if ya want to take screens

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jvs_:

but there is no need to set this option for compiling

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mchou:

jvs_: huh??

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rtsai:

there is both --enable-xv and --enable-xvmc

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mchou:

I thought if you want xvmc that must be compiled in.

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jvs_:

I thought, if XV is used, you are not able to take screens

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jvs_:

screenshots

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rtsai:

jvs_: you are correct

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rtsai:

(at least, no screenshots of TV, since menus screens don't use XV)

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jvs_:

yeah

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jvs_:

thats why you will not be able to watch tv using vnc :)

[21:36:00]

jvs_:

would be too slow anyway

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rtsai:

mchou: I believe xvmc must be compiled in, but I don't think using it is detected at run-time; I can't answer your question as to whether or not there is a user-visible way to turn off at run-time

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mchou:

ok, now I'm puzzled. What's the diff betw XV and XVMC? :)

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rtsai:

er, using xvmc *is* detected at runtime

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jvs_:

xvmc must be compiled in

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jvs_:

you can enable and disable it

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rtsai:

I don't know what each does. I know that XVMC doesn't work on my machine

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jvs_:

you need a geforce card

[21:37:00]

rtsai:

i think xvmc punts more processing to your video card

[21:37:00]

rtsai:

yeah

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jvs_:

>= gf 440 I think

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mchou:

yeah.

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rtsai:

(I have an FX5200, but xvmc doesn't work for me)

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jvs_:

it uses the nvidia hardware decoder

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mchou:

rtsai: what are your symptoms?

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jvs_:

I have this card too, it works here

[21:37:00]

jvs_:

but I get a b/w OSD

[21:37:00]

jvs_:

I would have to patch mythtv

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rtsai:

mythfrontend starts, then quits with some XvMC "Bad alloc" error messages or something

[21:38:00]

jvs_:

but I'll just wait for the next release

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rtsai:

mchou: I have AMD64, so I'm willing to believe there is some 64-bit-funkiness going on that 32-bit users don't see

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mchou:

I got this today: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133143

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rtsai:

mchou: so I haven't trie dre-enabling xvmc for quite some time (amd64 3500+ is plenty)

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gary_:

anyone have a PVR 150 that is working?

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rtsai:

mchou: looks like it has a fan on it?

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jvs_:

heh

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mchou:

that must be the only fx vid card with component out :)

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jvs_:

even my 1.1 GHZ machine is enough

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jvs_:

its a tualatin though

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mchou:

lol, 1.1 is not enough for HDTV :)

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rtsai:

actually, i think 1.0 *is* sufficient for HDTV.

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TheAsp:

Anyone able to get snd-bt87x working in linux-image-2.6.12 in debian sid?

[21:40:00]

mchou:

rtsai: lol, certainly not for 1080 material.

[21:40:00]

rtsai:

I have cpufreq running, and when watching stuff it stays down at 1.0GHz

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rtsai:

oops nm. My stuff all gets transcoded down automatically, so it's not true HDTV.

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mchou:

lol

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rtsai:

looks good enough to me :).

[21:41:00]

mchou:

if you dont mind waiting 5 hrs :)

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mchou:

for the transcode :)

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rtsai:

at 1.0GHz, transcode is about 2x realtime

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rtsai:

(mythtranscode)

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rtsai:

at 2.2GHz, transcode is about 1x realtime

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rtsai:

+ 20C CPU temp

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gary_:

Folks, looking for some assistance in getting my Hauppauge PVR 150 up and running. I have the IVTV modules built loaded (In the proper order I think) but the I am only getting static. Can anyone assist?

[21:41:00]

mchou:

I think $70 is not bad for this fx5700

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jvs_:

rtsai: this is a server cpu, 512kb L2 cache, it performs perfect for my needs

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mchou:

used tohave a geforce 4 ti, doesnt have iDCT.

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gary_:

I have read/googled/etc, and I think it should be me a matter of changing the channel, but its not clear in the doc how to do this.

[21:43:00]

mchou:

gary_: use another ivtv driver like 3.2x. Works great for me.

[21:44:00]

Filip:

Okay, I know what's wrong now, just not how to fix it. My Mythbackend doesn't access the database correctly and my frontend isn't talking to my backend correctly.

[21:44:00]

gary_:

3.2x ??, the site lists 0.2k as the latest

[21:44:00]

Filip:

The database itself is intact

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mchou:

gary_: and if you get only static that means the card is working correctly :)

[21:44:00]

mchou:

gary_: what site?

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jvs_:

is there a significant performance boost between 0.2k and 3.2x?

[21:44:00]

gary_:

The IVTV sourceforge site.

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mchou:

it's not performance boost, it's whether scaling and everything else works.

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gary_:

glad the card is woking, but would like to watch something other than static :)

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mchou:

3.2x works fantastico.

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jvs_:

its working fine here

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jvs_:

my only prob is the tv out

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jvs_:

its not centered

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mchou:

jvs_: what res you record at?

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jvs_:

mchou: 720x576

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jvs_:

pvr 250

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mchou:

that's a display card problem.

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mchou:

nothing to do w/ivtv.

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jvs_:

mchou: right

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gary_:

mchou: are you referring to the unstable 0.3 series?

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jvs_:

the nvidia drivers do not allow me to move the position yet

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mchou:

gary_: wwwiivtv.tv

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mchou:

www.ivtv.yv.

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mchou:

www.ivtv.tv

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mchou:

crap.

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gary_:

From the website (Newest Unstable Release is 0.3.6o (surprisingly stable)) – I am assuming you mean this one?

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mchou:

jvs_: try using a lower res. I bet your ivtv is borked :)

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mchou:

gary_: which part of 3.2x dont you understand??

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jvs_:

mchou: as you said, the tv out does not have anything to do with the tv out

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mchou:

jvs_: I was referring to the scaling on ivtv :)

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jvs_:

mchou: it is the tv out...as I said...

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mchou:

jvs_: like try 480x480 :)

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gary_:

mchou: There is no 3,2x listed that I can see. Perhaps I am going senile, but I really don't see anything 3.2x being listed.

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mchou:

jvs_: I WAS NOT referring to your CENTERING issue.

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mchou:

I was referring to the ivtv SCALING issue.

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mchou:

gary_: look in the OLD directory.

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gary_:

got it – dated April 2005, anything special about this particular rev?

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mchou:

fuck

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mchou:

just try it already.

[21:52:00]

mchou:

look at the changelog if you have other questions.

[21:52:00]

mchou:

no good deed goes unpunished.

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kormoc:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49503155830@N01/

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jvs_:

Im using 3.3

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gary_:

mchou: thanks. I have video (no audio), but am alot further ahead!

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jvs_:

congrats gary_ :)

[22:01:00]

jvs_:

is your tv card connected to your soundcard? (line in)

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Filip:

OK, Now mythfrontend segfaults!

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gary_:

no, didn't think I needed that with PVR 150. (according to doc anyways)

[22:02:00]

jvs_:

I think you still have to do this

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jvs_:

connect it to the line in of your sound card

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Filip:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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gary_:

will give her a try

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jvs_:

if necessary enable the line in

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jvs_:

use kmixer, its the simplest way

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stoffel:

gary_: you don't need that for recording from the pvr150. audio is embedded in the mpeg2 stream

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jvs_:

stoffel: right

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stoffel:

and the 150 doesn't do tv-out, now does it?

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jvs_:

brb

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gary_:

stoffel: normally I would agree, but I don't have any audio. I ran tcprobe, and it indicates that an audio stream is present, but I can' hear anything out of my capture. There is some stuff on this on the IVTV site about msp3400 and setting the standard. Tried that , but didn't seem to help.

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stoffel:

gary_: i had that a few days while upgrading my kernel + drivers. suddenly i lost audio from the pvr350 and my 2nd tuner (different card). reloading the related modules fixed it. somehow the msp3400 was screwing things up i believe.

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stoffel:

if the msp3400 mutes the audio somehow, the pvr150 will simply record silence

[22:09:00]

Yushiro:

Can anyone help me with an audio problem? I'm running a bt848 card connected throught the line out to my sblive and I'm getting a lot of noise in my recordings.

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gary_:

Cool, reload all the modules and see what happens.

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Yushiro:

I've been over all the docs and the mythtv mailing list and I haven't found anything that creates any kind of improvement.

[22:12:00]

gary_:

k, watching live tv from mythfrontend, works with sound, but dies after a few seconds. it mentions something about enabling realtime priority?

[22:12:00]

stoffel:

gary_: look at the backends log messages

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stoffel:

the realtime priority isn't required. works fine without it here

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gary_:

where does the backend log?

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stoffel:

where you told it to ;) /var/log/mythtv usually

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gary_:

k, guess I didn't tell it – will check

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gary_:

k, where do you tell it? mythtv-setup, doesn't appear to have a logging option.

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Filip:

I really need some help configuring my mythtv permissions

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stoffel:

gary_: in the backend's start-up script, mythbackend --logfile $FILE

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Filip:

Could anyone of you please tell me what their permissions look like in webmin?

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stoffel:

gary_: if not defined, the backend will log to the terminal it was started in

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Filip:

My user can't start mythfrontend

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stoffel:

Filip: what's the error?

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Filip:

Currently it's a segfault

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Filip:

it tells me access is denied because the mysql user 'mythtv' supplies the wrong password

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stoffel:

that's a mysql problem

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Filip:

But I want to tell it what the password is, but I don't know how

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Filip:

The backend does connect

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Filip:

there, a password is supplied

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Filip:

but the frontend does not communicate with the backend

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stoffel:

mythfrontend -> settings -> general

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Filip:

yes, but it segfaults...

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Filip:

can't start it

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gary_:

stoffel: backend log doesn't appear to be saying anything, other than adding me as a client and opening a ring buffer

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Filip:

where can I delete or edit settings?

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Filip:

.mythtv doesn't seem to have them, not in my ~ nor in /etc

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stoffel:

gary_: see the --verbose option of mythbackend to increase logging

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stoffel:

Filip: locate mysql.txt

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Filip:

stoffel: ok, one minute

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Filip:

The segfault is gone, but it still does not see my recordings

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Filip:

In can see the entire db in webmin perfectly

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Filip:

It says "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION

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Filip:

but other than that, no real problems

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stoffel:

Filip: try restarting the backend

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stoffel:

but quit the frontend first

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Filip:

ok, backend is connected successfully

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Filip:

frontend starts

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Filip:

still no cigar

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gary_:

Says the following: 2005-07–29 16:23:49.769 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Television on card when setting channel 3

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gary_:

am assuming I need to rename the input in mythtv setup

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stoffel:

gary_: maybe, but also check if you defined one channel as #3

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Filip:

strangely, the frontend can access the guide info

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Filip:

It's very slow to do so though

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Filip:

Also, the output says "ReadStringList timeout (quick)"

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Filip:

is it correct that the mythtv user of the mysql database has no permissions?

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xris:

Filip: must have some kind of permissions if it's to be useful

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Filip:

That's what I should think, but the permissions in webmin are set to none, and I think that's what the mc.sql script did

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gary_:

things are going wonky. Possible when I rmmod msp3400 and played and then re inserted. Will reboot fresh and see what happens

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Filip:

Okay, right now I'm hoping that getting the latest mythtv will sove my problems automatically.

[22:38:00]

Filip:

Another question though:

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Filip:

Where, on the disk, is a mysql database located?

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xris:

usually /var/lib/mysql/dabase-name/

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Filip:

is there nay way I can view it in my backups without installing it on the system (that is, without replacing the current one)?

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xris:

"in my backups"? what kind of backups?

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Filip:

just a physical copy of everything on my disk

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xris:

so you want to load mysql to read from a file on-disk?

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Filip:

maybe

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xris:

no clue. I'd just shut down mysql, move the current files out of the way and put the backup ones in place.

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Filip:

but i see all tables have their own file, so i can just copy the user files

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Filip:

that's a nice suggestion too

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xris:

I do it all the time at work.

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gary_:

k, seems to be working not, although I got this multi color bar on the screen (using mythfrontend on my laptop)

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gary_:

I meant now :)

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stoffel:

cool

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stoffel:

multi color bar?

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gary_:

yeah, pretty wierd – about 1/4 inch high along the bottom of my LCD – just set up a recording for the news and see what happens. Wonder if its because of 1024x268 res of my laptop

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jvs_:

1024x768?

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gary_:

:) yes

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jvs_:

hmm, I have this weird resolution of 1280x800

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jvs_:

and mythfrontend is working fine here

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gary_:

using a vesa fb on my laptop as well – wonder if that has something to do with it. At this point, I am just happy that this appears to be working :)

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jvs_:

congrats

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gary_:

updating to 0.3.2x solved my issue. Funnny how the IVTV sourceforge site, doesn't list it. but ivtv.tv does? Go figure.

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gary_:

Now on to build the frontend that will actually attach the TV :) Thanks to everyone hear for the help – very much appreciated!

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Filip:

I restored the previous permissions, but now my backend fails to bind to port 6543

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stoffel:

because it's still running?

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Filip:

okay, perhaps

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Filip:

trying

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Filip:

yes, that was the reason

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Filip:

But it still does not see my recordings!

[22:57:00]

Filip:

argh!

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Filip:

very frustrating this

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Filip:

my plans: 1. rebooting, if that doesn't help (this time), then 2. trying my old db and then 3. getting a new version of mythtv and 4. building a new db

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Krazylegz:

Aren't 3 and 4 part of the same plan?

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Filip:

I hope not, I'd really like to keep my old settings: the channels, the recorded programs, etc

[23:08:00]

Krazylegz:

Oh, sorry.

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Filip:

anyway, I'm currently at step 3

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Filip:

1 and 2 failed already

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** xris dares anyone to break into http://hackme.forevermore.net **

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xris:

(and advises you do a dns lookup on that name before you try anything)

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stoffel:

127.0.0.1?

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xris:

:)

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stoffel:

hehe, that default page on a debian box looked just too familiar

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jams:

wow I was able to ssh right in and guess the password

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Filip:

I'll just copy all my .nuv's, and play them later as a video

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t0t3r:

is there a way to force myth to always start at channel 1?

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xris:

playing with dns at work. got bored and started poking at my own.

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t0t3r:

maybe with a mysql command?

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stoffel:

xris: post it to some script-kiddie forums ;)

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Krazylegz:

xris: Har har.

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xris:

stoffel: no.. because then they'd get pissed and try on one of my real hostnames

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xris:

I don't want to eat up my bandwidth.

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stoffel:

hm, probably

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Filip:

t0t3r: what do you mean? When watching live tv, or in the guide?

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t0t3r:

when watching livetc

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t0t3r:

i need to always tune to channel 1 ... there i need a sql command or a setting. just something

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Filip:

sorry, don't really use livetv

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t0t3r:

must be a solution

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abarbaccia_:

t0t3r,

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t0t3r:

yeaj=?

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abarbaccia_:

if you want to always tune to channel 1 then in mythtv-setup you can set that with the stuff with irblasters

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abarbaccia_:

the value in there will probably be 3 right now – but you can change that

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t0t3r:

u mean the startchannel option?

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abarbaccia_:

um, not exactly sure the name

[23:26:00]

abarbaccia_:

but i know i've used it before

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t0t3r:

but when i watch lifetv and tune to another chan its changed when i reenter it again

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abarbaccia_:

um, not really sure – the way it usually works is that you specify a change channel script that gives an irblaster the change channel command – and myth sits tuned to channel 3

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mishehu:

ugh.

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** mishehu curses ATI again. **

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** jvs is with mishehu **

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mishehu:

jvs: tell me your woes, and I'll tell you my sad story

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jvs:

woes?

[23:46:00]

jvs:

WOES?

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jvs:

I'll never ever trust ATI again

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mishehu:

I did have a bit of success getting my 9000 to work again, and work with hardware gl, but that was on an agp machine.

[23:46:00]

mishehu:

but I can't get gl working on my PCIe X800XL

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mishehu:

nothing like having an a64 box with a PCIe vid card that can only push out 230 fps.

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mishehu:

(with glxgears)

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mishehu:

jvs: what happened?

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jvs:

sry, I have no experiences with PCIe yet

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jvs:

well, you know their linux drivers

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jvs:

so often they promised this and that

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jvs:

some things never made it

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jvs:

its just annoying

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mishehu:

such as what?

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mishehu:

I with they added the rage theatre support, but I don't remember them ever promising that.

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jvs:

the ati-drivers-extras are a joke

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mishehu:

hmm. I never touched the extras. heh.

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jvs:

and there is no real support for xorg extensions yet

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mishehu:

I'm not sure what Xorg extensions you might be referring to. (I just know if I got hardware gl or not)

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jvs:

composite

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** _Nero_ wakes up.. **

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jvs:

good morning _Nero_

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mishehu:

composite, I imagine you're talking about something other than the connector on the card?

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_Nero_:

oh.. its not morning.. its 5:50pm.. ;)

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mishehu:

Fri Jul 29 16:45:51 CDT 2005

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mishehu:

depends on where you are in the world ;-)

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jvs:

:)

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jvs:

23:51 here

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jvs:

11:51 pm so to say

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_Nero_:

jvs- GBR?

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jvs:

austria

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jvs:

mishehu: composite extenstions – cool transparency stuff :)

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jvs:

eye candy only

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_Nero_:

very cool.. never been there, but would love to.. (My dad's side of the family is from Hungary)

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jvs:

not really necessary, but I do not see the point why ATI should get it working fine

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jvs:

Hungary is a great country

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jvs:

very beautiful

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_Nero_:

Yeah.. so I have heard.. would love to get out there..

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jvs:

planned to travel there this summer

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mishehu:

jvs: ah, well, I'm not too worried about eyecandy. it will give my eyes diabetes

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mishehu:

oh shit, need to head on out.

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jvs:

but will be Verona, Italy or Lissabon, Portugal instead this summer

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jvs:

mishehu: nice one :)

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_Nero_:

bye Mishehu.

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jvs:

see you mishehu

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_Nero_:

mmmm.. Portugal.. Drinking some Port right now..

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mishehu:

I'm sure you'll see me typing on the channel again soon, I'm going to finally install 18.1

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jvs:

drinking some beer right now :O

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jvs:

thats the spirit

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mishehu:

err 0.18.1

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** jvs waits for the next release **

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jvs:

this machine is just working fine now

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mishehu:

did they ever get rid of the quirks with using alsa?

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jvs:

my gf would kill me

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_Nero_:

I've been working off and on on a Theme.. (now on again ;) ) and want to get it ready for the next version..

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_Nero_:

but hear the next version will have big changes in the UI.

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jvs:

hmm, I plan to create a theme too

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jvs:

or at least work on a theme

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jvs:

myxer is just amazing

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_Nero_:

I had mine basically done for 0.16.. then kinda forgot about it..

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_Nero_:

but it doesnt work well at all in 0.18, and with my luck, as soon as I finish it, 0.19 will be out..

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jvs:

and the themes from LxM look amazing too

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_Nero_:

yeah.. I like that Midnight one.

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jvs:

hmm, I need to get into it

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jvs:

and then probably get known to some people who try to create a theme to

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jvs:

*too

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abarbaccia_:

hey – i didnt know therea re more mythtv themes out

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_Nero_:

abarbaccia- there arent really any free ones.. You can get a couple from LxM..

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jvs:

there is a great theme called myxer, you can even change the backgrounds and other things

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abarbaccia_:

LxM?

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_Nero_:

and the one I am working on is no longer working..

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jvs:

its easy to install

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jvs:

just throw it in your themes folder and run the script

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_Nero_:

http://www.lxmsuite.com/

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