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[00:00:00] aphid: i'm trying for the life of me to find the host-specific settings to toggle auto-transcoding off.. i must have found it once to turn it on, but can't seem to find it now. could someone give me a hint as to where it might be?
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[00:32:00] silent_runner: hi anyone got a plextor convertx capture device?
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[00:37:00] aphid: I have one, but I'm not using it w/mythtv
[00:37:00] silent_runner: aphid: duz gorecord work for you
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[00:37:00] kormoc: duz? is that like duds?
[00:38:00] silent_runner: i dont know but it comes with the sdk for wiz based encoders
[00:38:00] aphid: i have the mac version
[00:39:00] kormoc: wiz? wizard based encoders? Does it shoot fireballs or turn people to frogs?
[00:39:00] silent_runner: no the chipset is called wiz but have to say for me at the moment its about as good as a frog
[00:40:00] kormoc: huh, such odd names for chips.
[00:40:00] silent_runner: prob korean they have some strang names
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[00:46:00] aphid: im having trouble finding the 'host specific settings' where I apparently toggled auto-transcoding on.. i need to turn it off now
[00:47:00] aphid: anyone know where it is?
[00:50:00] aphid: the documentation is kind of vague
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[00:55:00] aphid: hm. guess not
[00:57:00] riddlebox: I have a pvr500 and on /dev/video0 I get picture but no sound, and on /dev/video1 I get sound and picture?
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[01:01:00] Tommck: This is completely off-topic, but this is one of the funniest/grossest headlines I've seen in a while: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050717/3/3tj98.html
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[01:03:00] winga: has anyone gotten gl to work with epia and knoppmyth?
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[01:27:00] riddlebox: see mine is a little different, when I enter /dev/video0 it has tuner 0 and tuner 1, same for /dev/video1? so that gives me like 4 tuners to watch tv from but only /dev/video0 tuner 0 and tuner 1 have sound?
[01:30:00] riddlebox: sorry I pulled that from somewhere else
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[01:44:00] riddlebox: do I need two sound cards one for each tuner?
[01:46:00] pce-matty: looks like I can add dvd burning to myth without touching a line of source code
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[01:47:00] pce-matty: not having so much luck 'short circuiting' the menu system – but damnit, I want a one page config screen
[01:48:00] ** pce-matty doesn't want to have to go hunting each time he wants to change a sound option **
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[02:15:00] spitfire_aus: hello, having a "Unable to create AudioOutput" error on any video playback on a remote ubuntu frontend any idea's?
[02:15:00] spitfire_aus: the commandline output is No useable audio output driver found.
[02:16:00] spitfire_aus: 2005-07–23 10:12:42.597 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux
[02:16:00] spitfire_aus: but i've compiled with OSS support
[02:16:00] spitfire_aus: any idea's?
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[02:17:00] spitfire_aus: not quite the response i'd hoped for heh
[02:18:00] spitfire_aus: I've searched through the mailing list with no joy, and even through the irc log, and although someone raised the same problem, there was no answer ...
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[02:19:00] spitfire_aus: anyone awake? Dam time difference =P
[02:19:00] jasoncohen: has anyone here compiled ivtv for 2.6.12? i tried using the kernel image provided in debian sid with the sid headers and i get this compile error – http://pastebin.ca/18317
[02:21:00] spitfire_aus: No i don't use ivtv, but are you the jason otherwise known as jason_ who had a Unable to create AudioOutput problem in the irc logs?
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[02:22:00] spitfire_aus: jasoncohen: ?
[02:23:00] jasoncohen: no, i'm jason cohen
[02:23:00] jasoncohen: heh
[02:23:00] spitfire_aus: heh fair enough
[02:23:00] Chessman: Hey all, I managed to get everything working with Mythtv — PVR250, Plextor PX-TV402U and firewire for HD capture and changing channels. However, I can't get the straight digital from firewire and have to capture it via the Plextor with anS-Video cable. Is there a way to block the Plextor from trying to record when I'm recording HD with firewire?
[02:23:00] spitfire_aus: jasoncohen: did you have that audio problem?
[02:24:00] jasoncohen: nope
[02:24:00] spitfire_aus: dam =[
[02:25:00] spitfire_aus: who is this jason who posted [13:14] <jason_> 2005-05–21 13:09:34.617 No useable audio output driver found.
[02:25:00] jasoncohen: no clue
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[02:26:00] Chessman: Can anyone help or know if there is a solution to this problem?
[02:26:00] jasoncohen: ok, well as anyone tried using bttv in debian's 2.6.11 kernel from sid?
[02:26:00] jasoncohen: tveeprom appears to be broken
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[02:36:00] Chessman: Well, one more time and then I'll away.
[02:36:00] Chessman: Hey all, I managed to get everything working with Mythtv — PVR250, Plextor PX-TV402U and firewire for HD capture and changing channels. However, I can't get the straight digital from firewire and have to capture it via the Plextor with anS-Video cable. Is there a way to block the Plextor from trying to record when I'm recording HD with firewire?
[02:36:00] spitfire_aus: i know this is a little off topic but i think esd is causing me problems getting sound to work, i've tried to kill the esd process and try and get sound to work but no joy =[
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[02:44:00] pce-matty: spitfire: change your sound device from /dev/dsp (which it's probably set to now) to ALSA:default ... looks like your frontend is running pure ALSA
[02:44:00] jasoncohen: spitfire_aus, ESD can do that? have you tried this howto – http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[02:44:00] jasoncohen: it's for ubuntu but it should also work on debian
[02:45:00] jasoncohen: or any distro if you know the correct package
[02:45:00] spitfire_aus: i'm on ubuntu =]
[02:46:00] spitfire_aus: ta will check it out
[02:46:00] spitfire_aus: Everything else just worked in ubuntu just not myth sound which stumped me heh
[02:46:00] spitfire_aus: Ohh i've tried to change it to ALSA:default
[02:46:00] spitfire_aus: but i winged that i didn't compile with alsa
[02:47:00] spitfire_aus: which although i tried i couldn't get --enable-audio-alsa to ENABLE it?!
[02:47:00] spitfire_aus: Like ALSA support still said no?!
[02:47:00] spitfire_aus: Am i missing an Alsa source package somehow?
[02:47:00] spitfire_aus: I mean i installed Alsasource
[02:48:00] pce-matty: the log you posted suggest strongly that you've already got myth compiled with ALSA only
[02:48:00] spitfire_aus: yeah i know its werid?!
[02:48:00] spitfire_aus: but config says only alsa is enabled?!
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: # Sound Output Support
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: OSS support yes
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: ALSA support no
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: aRts support no
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: JACK support no
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: I mean OSS
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: not alsa
[02:49:00] ** pce-matty shrugs **
[02:49:00] spitfire_aus: yeha =[
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: # Sound Output Support
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: OSS support yes
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: ALSA support yes
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: ii alsa-base 1.0.8–7 ALSA driver configuration files
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: ii alsa-utils 1.0.8–4 ALSA utilities
[02:50:00] jasoncohen: ./configure enables ALSA for me by default
[02:50:00] pce-matty: i've only seen the 'don't disable OSS' support where the frontend is compiled +alsa -oss
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: yeah its very odd
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii alsa-base 1.0.8–4ubuntu4 ALSA driver configuration files
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii alsa-oss 1.0.7–1 ALSA OSS-compatibility application wrapper
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii alsa-source 1.0.8–4ubuntu4 ALSA driver sources
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii alsa-utils 1.0.8–1ubuntu1 ALSA utilities
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii libclalsadrv 1.0.0–1 ALSA driver C++ access library
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: ii libclalsadrv-d 1.0.0–1 Development file for libclalsadrv
[02:51:00] spitfire_aus: they are my alsa packages
[02:51:00] jasoncohen: what did you compiled mythtv with? what configure command
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[02:52:00] spitfire_aus: ./configure then qmake mythtv.pro then make then make install
[02:52:00] jasoncohen: one ec
[02:53:00] spitfire_aus: oki
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[02:56:00] Randall64: sci-fi Friday!`
[02:56:00] Randall64: I just wish my peecee64 were working :(
[02:56:00] mchou: dumbasses
[02:57:00] spitfire_aus: hrmm running through that guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 gstreamer-properties doesn't like testing a change to alsa?!
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[02:58:00] mchou: am I heartless or is this person just stupid? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4766974
[02:59:00] mchou: the lady in the story I'm talking about.
[03:00:00] mchou: I feel sorry for their daughter, but the parents deserve thewin award.
[03:00:00] mchou: I feel sorry for their daughter, but the parents deserve the darwin award.
[03:05:00] mchou: I don't have much sympathy for ppl who drive suv's and are not aware that they have 3x more blind spot than a normal passenger car.
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[03:08:00] pce-matty: morning xris
[03:08:00] jasoncohen: mchou, what are you using to play the stream? it doesn't even play here with wma
[03:09:00] mchou: xine or realplayer (for thr realmedia stream)
[03:09:00] mchou: the*
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[03:09:00] mchou: mplayer should also work for wma.
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[03:10:00] mchou: if you have the appropriate windows codecs.
[03:10:00] mmead: mchou: hi
[03:10:00] xris: pce-matty: evening for me.  :)
[03:10:00] jasoncohen: yeah, it should
[03:10:00] jasoncohen: it says playing but it's not. it skips a little and quits
[03:10:00] mchou: it's a sad story, but I have zip sympathy for the parents.
[03:11:00] mmead: mchou: my athlon xp 2100+ plays 1080i through a gf fx5200 without any stutters as long as no OSD
[03:11:00] mchou: jasoncohen: empty cookies and choose realmedia.
[03:11:00] mchou: mmead: what's the cpu util?
[03:11:00] mmead: mchou: according to vmstat 53–58
[03:11:00] mchou: like on average?
[03:11:00] mchou: I really find that hard to believe.
[03:11:00] mmead: mchou: that's from vmstat while playing video
[03:12:00] mchou: vmstat??
[03:12:00] mmead: vmstat 1
[03:12:00] mchou: is that even the right tool??
[03:12:00] mmead: mchou: yes
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[03:12:00] mchou: hell no.
[03:12:00] mmead: mchou: shows cpu user system idle iowait
[03:13:00] mchou: vmstat tells you virtual memory storage, not CPU util
[03:13:00] mmead: wrong
[03:13:00] mchou: s/storage/usage
[03:13:00] jasoncohen: mchou, heh, i deleted the NPR cookies and it's still using wma
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[03:13:00] mmead: mchou: run vmstat 1 and you will see
[03:13:00] mmead: or RTFM :)
[03:13:00] mchou: mmead: I think you are full of crap.
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[03:14:00] mmead: mchou: believe whatever you want to believe
[03:14:00] mchou: there ain't no frigging way that's possible.
[03:14:00] mmead: mchou: what, that vmstat shows cpu usage?
[03:14:00] mchou: you most likely dont have 1080i material
[03:15:00] mchou: no, CPU Util of say 60%
[03:15:00] mmead: 1920x1088 interlaced
[03:15:00] mmead: mchou: using just XV it cannot keep up
[03:15:00] mchou: haha, dont make me laugh
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[03:15:00] mmead: mchou: using xvmc it works fine unless OSD is on the screen
[03:15:00] mchou: ok, you should have said xmvc.
[03:16:00] mchou: I thought you were using xv.
[03:16:00] mmead: what would the point be in buying a geforce card otherwise?
[03:16:00] mchou: only*
[03:16:00] mchou: cause xvmc is hardly reliable.
[03:16:00] mmead: like I said, with xv it will not keep up
[03:16:00] pce-matty: mmead: works fine except when the OSD is onscreen... the OSD flickers, and you get major stuttering when you change channels?
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[03:17:00] mmead: pce-matty: no stuttering on channel change, but definitely when the OSD is there
[03:17:00] mmead: mchou: a friend with mx440 can play the same streams inside myth with a sempron @2202mhz
[03:17:00] spitfire_aus: Is there anyway to force myth to compile with alsa support?
[03:17:00] mmead: mchou: using xvmc
[03:17:00] mmead: mchou: and OSD works fine for him
[03:17:00] pce-matty: mmead: yah, it takes a bit of jiggery-pokery to get a stable OSD with xvmc... and the fact it's in black and white...
[03:17:00] mchou: is that 2200+ or?
[03:18:00] mmead: mchou: not sure – native 1800mhz, his is overclocked to 2202
[03:18:00] mchou: I think you are deluding yourselves.
[03:18:00] mmead: mchou: the perl script you linked seems to have worked, though I had to delete other DD linked video sources before using it
[03:19:00] mmead: mchou: I will probably get an athlon xp 3200+
[03:19:00] mchou: I dont even believe 60% even with XVMC.
[03:19:00] mmead: mchou: so I have the headroom to do transcoding at nice +20
[03:19:00] mchou: maybe 80% with that proc.
[03:19:00] spitfire_aus: I can't get myth to configure to use ALSA any way to override it?
[03:19:00] mchou: but certainly not 60%
[03:20:00] mmead: mchou: my athlon xp is running at 1733Mhz.
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[03:20:00] mmead: mchou: and that's what I'm seeing – 53–59% or so
[03:20:00] pce-matty: spitfire: yah, get your ALSA set up properly before worrying about myth
[03:20:00] pce-matty: spitfire: test your devices with aplay etc..
[03:20:00] mmead: pce-matty: alsaplay ?
[03:20:00] ** pce-matty has lazy typing fingers **
[03:21:00] mmead: is there any way to change on a per-frontend basis which tuner is used first when you select to watch tv?
[03:21:00] ** xris borrows substr('mmead', 1, -1) for a drink... **
[03:21:00] mchou: I know ppl with XP3200+ and 6600, and cpu util is 60% while 1080i
[03:21:00] spitfire_aus: yeah aplay works
[03:21:00] pce-matty: and it is aplay...
[03:21:00] spitfire_aus: even xmms can playback using alsa
[03:21:00] ** pce-matty rolls his eyes at mmead :) **
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[03:22:00] mchou: mmead: so you'll forgive me if I doubt your numbers.
[03:22:00] mmead: pce-matty: doh... I read ARTS not ALSA – sorry!
[03:22:00] mchou: mmead: you probaly have 768 material and dont know it.
[03:23:00] mmead: mchou: hmm
[03:23:00] spitfire_aus: pce-matty, is there a way to force myth to compile with alsa?
[03:23:00] ** xris ponders why xine tries to create "/xris" instead of "~/xris" **
[03:24:00] mchou: mmead: mplayer -identify will tell you dinitively what res it is.
[03:24:00] mmead: mchou: I don't know how to use mplayer to get live data off the carde.
[03:24:00] mchou: definitively*
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[03:24:00] mmead: mchou: however, I am not on the box ATM – I can go check if you like
[03:24:00] mchou: mmead: huh???
[03:24:00] mmead: mchou: I don't have frontend output either, but it definitely said 1920x1088 or so
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[03:24:00] mmead: brb
[03:24:00] mchou: cat dev/videox > test.mpg.
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[03:29:00] mmead: mchou: 2005-07–22 21:28:28.388 AvFormatDecoder: Video has changed from 1280x720 to 1920x1080.
[03:29:00] mmead: 1080i station
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[03:29:00] mmead: still playing
[03:29:00] mmead: procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[03:30:00] mmead: r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa
[03:30:00] mmead: mid 50s
[03:30:00] mmead: 2 0 8 9064 28256 265272 0 0 0 1988 2906 4207 51 7 40 2
[03:30:00] mmead: 0 0 8 7080 28268 267128 0 0 0 1960 2922 4054 55 8 37 0
[03:30:00] mmead: 0 1 8 5344 28124 268992 0 0 0 1948 2901 4129 53 6 31 10
[03:30:00] Discipulus: any of you in here play god of war for ps2 yet?
[03:31:00] mchou: mmead: AvFormatDecoder???
[03:31:00] mchou: what the hell you using for playback?
[03:31:00] mmead: mchou: that is mythfrontend output to the terminal it was starting from
[03:31:00] mmead: s/starting/started/
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[03:32:00] mchou: mmead: just get file and tell me what the res is.
[03:32:00] mmead: mchou: how?
[03:33:00] mmead: mchou: cat /dev/video1 >test.mpg
[03:33:00] mmead: cat: /dev/video1: No such device
[03:33:00] mchou: what card you got?
[03:33:00] mmead: mchou: air2pc
[03:33:00] mmead: mchou: video0 is pvr-350
[03:34:00] mchou: might have to use one of the dvbutils.
[03:34:00] mchou: to capture file.
[03:34:00] mchou: forget offhand what the tool is called.
[03:34:00] jasoncohen: i added ivtv, btaudio, and bttv to /etc/modules in that order. when i boot up bttv isn't loaded
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[03:34:00] mchou: but it sould be in dvb-utils.
[03:34:00] rabies: hey
[03:34:00] jasoncohen: when i try to load it i get this error:
[03:34:00] jasoncohen: root@jasonsdesktop:~# rmmod tveeprom
[03:34:00] jasoncohen: root@jasonsdesktop:~# modprobe bttv
[03:35:00] rabies: i got mythtv to work on my HDTV, but i cant watch tv
[03:35:00] jasoncohen: if i rmmod tveeprom and then modprobe bttv it works
[03:35:00] rabies: im using ivtv w/ a PVR150
[03:35:00] rabies: everytime i switch to Watch TV X locks up completely
[03:35:00] mchou: that's a ivtv driver issue.
[03:36:00] mchou: use another version.
[03:36:00] mmead: mchou: so is there a way to set the default tuner for each frontends?
[03:36:00] rabies: when i tried using RandR it zooms into a portion of the TV and does not lock up if i use any resolution less than 1024x768
[03:36:00] mchou: mmead: probably. I dont watch livetv.
[03:36:00] jasoncohen: must be two versions of tveeprom laying around
[03:36:00] rabies: mchou, you said its a ivtv issue? why do you say that?
[03:37:00] rabies: +
[03:37:00] mchou: rabies: because it is.
[03:37:00] mmead: mchou: according to mplayer: VDec: vo config request – 1920 x 1080 (preferred csp: Mpeg PES)
[03:37:00] rabies: mchou, i just want to know what you think is wrong w/ the driver
[03:37:00] mchou: there's plenty stuff wrong with the driver.
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[03:38:00] mchou: mmead: I'm not talking about video output.
[03:39:00] rabies: mchou, heh
[03:39:00] mchou: I'm talking about the native resolution of the video.
[03:39:00] mmead: DEMUX OPEN, AUDIO_ID: -1, VIDEO_ID: -1, SUBTITLE_ID: -1,
[03:39:00] mmead: PROBING UP TO 2000000, PROG: 0
[03:39:00] mmead: VIDEO MPEG2(pid=49)AUDIO A52(pid=52) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 1
[03:39:00] mmead: Opened TS demuxer, audio: 2000(pid 52), video: 10000002(pid 49)...POS=188
[03:39:00] mmead: VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 45000.0 kbps (5625.0 kbyte/s)
[03:39:00] mchou: which should not be a vo field.
[03:39:00] mchou: ok, that's what I'm talking about.
[03:40:00] mchou: :)
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[03:40:00] mmead: from what I see on the screen, know of the station, and definitely from what mplayer shows, it is 1080i
[03:40:00] mchou: mmead: what show is it?
[03:40:00] mmead: mchou: I have no idea
[03:40:00] mchou: try a show with high motion.
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[03:41:00] mmead: mchou: what's the point, you'll always have some imaginary counter-example for why it's not possible.
[03:41:00] mchou: mmead: dude....
[03:41:00] mmead: mchou: you flat out told me I was deluding myself
[03:41:00] mchou: high motion will peg the processor.
[03:42:00] mmead: mchou: just being blunt. you have definitely come across like I was full of shit
[03:42:00] mchou: I did. But it included high motion.
[03:42:00] mmead: mchou: told me vmstat doesn't display cpu usage, etc.
[03:42:00] mchou: mmead: heh, I dont mind blunt.
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[03:43:00] mmead: mchou: I'm not sure if you treat everyone like they don't know what they're talking about. I sincerely appreciate your help with the issues I was having getting DD linked to my scan, but man...
[03:43:00] mchou: no, I didnt say vmstat didnt display cpu util. I asked you if it displayed cpuutil.
[03:43:00] mmead: mchou: try assuming for once that people have a clue until they demonstrate otherwise
[03:44:00] mchou: mmead: there's a difference.
[03:44:00] mchou: you also didnt mention xvmc.
[03:44:00] mchou: and I clearly said that xv vs. xvmc distinction.
[03:46:00] mchou: mmead: i dont see why you think we're in violent disagreement.
[03:46:00] mchou: We were talking two completely differnt things.
[03:47:00] mmead: clearly we are not in total disagreement
[03:47:00] mmead: I didn't specify I was using xvmc, but when I did, you told me you couldn't believe <80% cpu use to play 1080i
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[03:47:00] mmead: when I told you I used vmstat to measure usage, you said "mstat tells you virtual memory storage, not CPU util"
[03:47:00] mchou: I just asked you to MAKE SURE it was 1080 material
[03:48:00] mmead: you acted like I didn't know what I was doing
[03:48:00] mmead: which is very offputting
[03:48:00] mmead: like I said – I'm very grateful for the help
[03:48:00] mmead: but I'm not stupid :)
[03:48:00] mchou: lol, the tool is called VM stat
[03:48:00] mmead: yes
[03:48:00] mmead: cut/paste miscilck
[03:48:00] mchou: you dont think that would be a natural question?
[03:49:00] mmead: no
[03:49:00] mchou: lol
[03:49:00] mchou: ok.
[03:49:00] mmead: how would you measure cpu use?
[03:49:00] mchou: top does just fine for me :)
[03:50:00] mmead: top has been shown in the past to be inaccurate
[03:50:00] mmead: so I don't use it
[03:50:00] mchou: no doubt.
[03:50:00] mmead: I have no idea if it is more accurate these days
[03:50:00] mchou: but we're only after rough numbers.
[03:50:00] mchou: and mplayer will benchmark you system.
[03:50:00] mmead: but a vmstat 1 is what I use because it gives a much more complete picture of whether the cpu is iobound, in kernel, or in user
[03:51:00] mchou: your*
[03:51:00] mmead: mplayer cannot play these streams because it fails to use xvmc on my system for some reason
[03:51:00] mchou: based on mplyer, of course.
[03:51:00] mchou: it's a cli option.
[03:51:00] mmead: -vo xvmc
[03:51:00] mchou: or maybe a compile option, I forget.
[03:52:00] mchou: probably both.
[03:52:00] mmead: too bad my macs don't have the guts to play HD either
[03:54:00] mmead: mchou: anyway, based on what I've seen, I think I will get a cheaper xp 3200+, rather than athlon 64
[03:54:00] mmead: mchou: I'm concerned about the athlon 64 not being able to execute the assembly quickly enough – do you know how much of the assembly has been ported to amd64?
[03:54:00] mchou: ok, whatever strikes your fancy.
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[03:55:00] mchou: mmead: nope. but I do know it works. Just ask Isaac :)
[03:55:00] mchou: my a64 machine is still in pieces :)
[03:55:00] mmead: mchou: too much chatting, not enough building?  :)
[03:56:00] mmead: mchou: or are you going to abort? you said something about that last night
[03:56:00] mchou: I need to figure out how I want to partition.
[03:56:00] mchou: abort? when did I mention that?
[03:57:00] mchou: mmead: how much of the assembly has been ported to a64?? what exactly do you mean by that?
[03:57:00] mmead: mchou: when you were helping me with getting the hd scan to match dd you mentioned you didn't know if you were going to put it all together
[03:58:00] mmead: mchou: there are a couple libraries that use assembly code – when getting 18.1 to build on the mac, I had to mess around in it a bit – I understood that some x86 instructions did not run terribly well on amd64 – was wondering if the assembly has been ported.
[03:58:00] mchou: oh, I'm going to put it together all right. Right now it's running off knoppix livecd  :)
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[03:59:00] mchou: it's still in parts, but it runs.
[04:00:00] mchou: mmead: lol.
[04:00:00] mchou: does a64 have even a separate ISA than ia32?
[04:00:00] mchou: I mean data width is wider, but it's still ia, no? :)
[04:01:00] ** pce-matty twiddles his thumbs as glibc compiles **
[04:01:00] mchou: now thw mac is a completely different story :)
[04:01:00] pce-matty: i so need to get ccache and distcc backup on the network here
[04:01:00] mchou: maybe mac moving to ia is not such a bad thing after all :)
[04:02:00] mmead: mchou: it's only a (perceived) bad thing if you just bought into a PPC machine
[04:02:00] mchou: haha, that would include all mac users :)
[04:02:00] mmead: my PPC machines will get a good 4–5 year life I'm sure
[04:03:00] mmead: mchou: I find it amusing everyone gets so upset about it. Assuming apple made the appropriate choice, they are abandoning PPC for a reason: their future. If you're an apple fan, would you rather they become obscure again?
[04:03:00] mchou: oh, I also meant ia64 (instead of ia32) as I wrote earlier.
[04:04:00] pce-matty: i've got a bondi-blue imac (the original) running debian, beefed it up to 96mb so that it could handle gnome comfortable
[04:04:00] mmead: mchou: I wish they had gone straight to a 64 bit platform.
[04:04:00] mchou: mmead: I dont really care what the mac uses.
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[04:04:00] mmead: mchou: I gathered :)
[04:06:00] pce-matty: disco, glibc's done
[04:06:00] ** pce-matty smiles happily **
[04:07:00] mmead: pce-matty: what distro?
[04:07:00] mchou: sigh, which hard drive do I want to scavenge?
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[04:13:00] pce-matty: mmead: gentoo – it saves me lots of time
[04:14:00] mchou: gentoo??
[04:14:00] mmead: pce-matty: ahh... I used to run gentoo
[04:14:00] mchou: hell no.
[04:14:00] ** pce-matty nods sagely **
[04:14:00] mmead: pce-matty: decided I was sick of compiling everything under the sun and switched to deb.
[04:14:00] mchou: gentoo and "save tiime" is an oxymoron.
[04:14:00] mmead: pce-matty: but gentoo is very cool :)
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[04:15:00] pce-matty: mchou: when you're running one system, yes... more than five, it's lovely
[04:16:00] mchou: I wonder what gentoo ppl do if compiler is broken. :)
[04:16:00] kormoc: mchou, use the statically linked one?
[04:16:00] mchou: haha!
[04:16:00] mchou: statically lined compiler. That's rich :)
[04:16:00] tv_: on fc4 i have a font-clipping problem. I have installed the old fc2 urw-font package with no fix and have updated to the development version of the same, no fix. I have set the font size on the smallest and have changed the size of the myth window, no fix. What else is left?
[04:16:00] mchou: linked*
[04:17:00] kormoc: it's called the backup.
[04:17:00] kormoc: what's wrong with a statically linked compiler?
[04:17:00] mchou: if compiler is borked, who cares if it's statically linked?
[04:17:00] mchou: lol.
[04:18:00] kormoc: uhh
[04:18:00] kormoc: there's two compilers on my boxes
[04:18:00] kormoc: one statically linked backup
[04:18:00] kormoc: and the normal main one
[04:18:00] mchou: kormoc: lol. you're out of your depth.
[04:18:00] tv_: RE: font clipping?
[04:18:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow **
[04:19:00] kormoc: mchou, I think you're talking shit cause you don't know what you're talking bout
[04:19:00] pce-matty: disco, finally got aac suport in mythmusic :)
[04:19:00] mchou: I'm talking shit?
[04:19:00] kormoc: it's the same reason we all have a statically built sh on our box.
[04:19:00] mchou: lol
[04:19:00] kormoc: so even if the libs go shitty, we can still get a recovery shell
[04:19:00] mchou: haha!!
[04:19:00] kormoc: if the compiler won't make good executables, we use the backup one to recompile the compiler
[04:19:00] mchou: I said a broken comiler
[04:19:00] kormoc: it's how you bootstrap for christs sake.
[04:20:00] mchou: you use a compiler to bootstrap?
[04:20:00] kormoc: yeah, you're missing the point, I have *two* totally seprate compilers on my box
[04:20:00] kormoc: yes.
[04:20:00] tv_: is there an i8l chineese version of mythtv?
[04:20:00] pce-matty: mchou: yes, of course you do
[04:20:00] mchou: kormoc: lol
[04:20:00] pce-matty: depends on how you're defining bootstrap
[04:21:00] mchou: pce-matty: not the way kormoc is defining it, that's for sure.
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[04:21:00] kormoc: mchou, ooh? why's that?
[04:21:00] kormoc: you take a blank drive
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[04:22:00] kormoc: you compile everything needed to boot the computer and install it
[04:22:00] kormoc: hence bootstrapping
[04:22:00] mchou: haha!
[04:23:00] mchou: what if that compiler is broken?
[04:23:00] mmead: ahh the twists and turns of friday night hypothetical arguing :)
[04:23:00] kormoc: then you just can't bootstrap
[04:23:00] mchou: i.e. doesnt emit working executables?
[04:23:00] kormoc: so then you get a working compiler
[04:23:00] mchou: right.
[04:23:00] tv_: RE: font clipping?
[04:24:00] Chessman:
[04:24:00] Chessman: ange channels
[04:24:00] Chessman: when I'm capturing HD. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:24:00] mchou: which was what I was talking about in the first place.
[04:24:00] kormoc: mchou, how do you use anything if fedora's compiler is broken!
[04:24:00] Chessman: Ouch!
[04:24:00] Chessman: Sorry!
[04:24:00] mmead: tv_: what do you mean – the display of your text just ends up off screen?
[04:24:00] kormoc: mchou, what if fedora core 3 is broken from the start!?
[04:24:00] mchou: nothing to do with static/non-static compiler.
[04:24:00] kormoc: sure it does
[04:25:00] metusine: can myth play dvd mirrors? ie a dvd dumped to disk via vobcopy???
[04:25:00] kormoc: a properly statically linked compiler will give out working executables no matter what shape the rest of the system is in.
[04:25:00] mmead: metusine: look into the mythdvd plugin
[04:25:00] Chessman: Okay, let's try that again.
[04:25:00] kormoc: that's the benifit of statically linked executables
[04:25:00] mchou: with fedora core I Iam at least assures that some binaries work :)
[04:25:00] kormoc: so what? none of my binarys have worked for the past 5 years?
[04:26:00] mmead: Chessman: the only way I know of to do what you're asking is use an external program that tells the cable box to change channels over firewire, then capture using svideo per normal
[04:26:00] mmead: mchou: same with gentoo
[04:26:00] mmead: mchou: it ships with binaries, in fact
[04:26:00] ** kormoc nods. **
[04:26:00] mchou: mmead: oh really? kormoc just said you should bootstrap :)
[04:26:00] kormoc: I said that's what I did
[04:26:00] metusine: mmead: as far as i can see, it only plays physical dvds
[04:26:00] kormoc: but you can use the packages cd and use all precompiled binarys if you wanted
[04:27:00] rupurt: can you imagine the horror if zlib were statically linked
[04:27:00] mchou: hence why I raised the issue of a broken compiler.
[04:27:00] metusine: you can't direct it play a folder
[04:27:00] mmead: metusine: oh, you're talking about VIDEO_TS directory rips? haven't tried to get that working
[04:27:00] mmead: rupurt: :)
[04:27:00] metusine: yeah, basically
[04:27:00] mmead: rupurt: like some popular web browsers :)
[04:27:00] mchou: kormoc: by the way, go find me a dynamic gcc :)
[04:27:00] Chessman: I have sucessfully setup my Mythtv box to capture HD content via the firewire port. I, however, can't get "straight" digital out of the receiver and have to capture those channels using my Plextor PX-TV402U — changing channels with firewire and capturing via via the S-video cable. Is there someway to get Mythtv to block the use of the Plextor while the HD is recording?
[04:28:00] metusine: i've been contemplating trying to do with mythvideo, when you play a .ifo file or something
[04:28:00] kormoc: mchou, mine is dynamically linked right now
[04:28:00] kormoc: mchou, to linux-gate.so.1, libc.so.6, ld-linux.so.2
[04:29:00] kormoc: libc is dynamically linked out as is ld-linux.
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[04:29:00] mmead: metusine: I think mythdvd is intended to play the physical media, as well as rip -> transcode to a file you would then view with mythvideo
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[04:30:00] mchou: kormoc: what does that have to do with a compiler that's borked?
[04:30:00] pce-matty: mmead: yes, mythdvd has to be compiled with the transcode option switched on
[04:31:00] kormoc: mchou, you said to show you a dynamically linked gcc, so I did, mine is.
[04:31:00] kormoc: mchou, and you asked what happens to gentoo when it's compiler gets borked, well, the answer is, we go to the statically linked one and recompile the main one and fix it, and continue on.
[04:31:00] mchou: kormoc: you havent answered my question: "what does that have to do with a compiler that's borked?"
[04:31:00] kormoc: hence youre the one still stuck on why this may be pertaintant.
[04:31:00] mchou: lol
[04:32:00] kormoc: mchou, stop raising questions that you don't want answered then
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[04:32:00] pce-matty: mmead:
[04:32:00] pce-matty: [ Found these USE variables for media-plugins/mythdvd-0.18.1 ]
[04:32:00] pce-matty: U I
[04:32:00] pce-matty: + + transcode : Enable DVD ripping and transcoding
[04:32:00] pce-matty: + + mmx  : Adds support for optimizations for Pentium MMX and Athlon class processors
[04:33:00] mmead: pce-matty: interesting ... I wonder if that's thunderbird & athlon xp or if it extends to amd64
[04:34:00] opello: mmead: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | grep mmx, if you see anything, you can enable it
[04:34:00] metusine: mmead: yeah, that's the impression i get. but i often temporarily dump hired disks to hd so i can watch them later with decent sound etc. not going to keep them so can't be bothered compressing them
[04:35:00] mmead: metusine: right... wish I had an answer for you – I would think it's reasonably possible – does mythdvd for playing use mplayer under the covers?
[04:35:00] mmead: opello: mmx mmxext, 3dnowext, 3dnow
[04:35:00] metusine: you can use xine or mplayer
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[04:35:00] metusine: either of which can play dvd mirrors
[04:35:00] mmead: metusine: right
[04:36:00] metusine: though xine does it with nice menu's and the like
[04:36:00] mmead: metusine: right
[04:36:00] opello: mmead: then enable it :) should work faster and compile with mmx optimizations
[04:36:00] metusine: just needs functionality for browsing
[04:36:00] metusine: which was why i was thinking would be better suited for mythvideo
[04:36:00] mmead: opello: I need to recompile .18.1 from scratch – the compiler flags don't appear to really do much optimization for athlon
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[04:36:00] mmead: metusine: right, or ability to specify something other than a device.
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[04:36:00] mmead: metusine: hmm, yes
[04:37:00] metusine: exactly =)
[04:39:00] pce-matty: time for a reboot :) with luck i'll have video acceleration re-activated on my dev machine
[04:39:00] pce-matty: lotsa updates and changes :)
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[04:39:00] mmead: metusine: good luck – hope it isn't much to change :)
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[04:40:00] metusine: haha
[04:41:00] metusine: will do it myself eventually
[04:41:00] metusine: this weekends mission is disk encryption =)
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[04:42:00] rupurt: metusine – aes-loop back or DMcrypt
[04:43:00] metusine: aes-loopback
[04:43:00] metusine: with a usb key
[04:43:00] metusine: is the plan
[04:45:00] rupurt: have you considereD DMcrypt (sorry about the caps – i am lucky this keyboard does all the keys after dunking it with coffee)
[04:45:00] metusine: yeah
[04:45:00] metusine: i've read a bit about it
[04:46:00] metusine: will probably go there eventually
[04:46:00] metusine: this is like a first cut that's more than likely going to render this install worthless =)
[04:46:00] rupurt: they both seem to work and are in the linux kernel – but aes seems easier and more direct
[04:47:00] rupurt: ddddd – alright the keyboard is drying out
[04:47:00] metusine: yeah
[04:47:00] metusine: though i get the impression dmcrypt is meant to be the way of the future
[04:47:00] metusine: heh
[04:48:00] metusine: my 2 yr old pulled all the keys off my laptop last week
[04:48:00] rupurt: i hope someday there is fdisk partition that will do all the work\
[04:48:00] metusine: i got most of them back on, but a few i have to hit contacts with my fingers to make them work
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[04:48:00] metusine: $140 that cost for a new keyboard
[04:48:00] xris: ok, anyone who wants mythtv specs for current svn can grab them from me.. and as usual, you'll actually need to know what you're doing to use them: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/
[04:48:00] metusine: and i still have to install it
[04:48:00] rupurt: if it is a dell – there are tons on ebay for $10
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[04:49:00] metusine: nah
[04:49:00] metusine: asus
[04:50:00] rupurt: dmcrypt uses libcrypt and does seem the future
[04:50:00] metusine: and you don't tell ppl things like that just after they cough up $140 for a new one
[04:50:00] metusine: :p
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[04:50:00] rupurt: i didn't realize you DID pay it – and you don't me -
[04:50:00] rupurt: :)
[04:51:00] rupurt: my whole notebook didn't cost $1420
[04:51:00] rupurt: my whole notebook didn't cost $140
[04:51:00] metusine: what do you use? dmcrypt?
[04:51:00] metusine: second hand laptop?
[04:52:00] rupurt: yes very 3rd hand
[04:53:00] metusine: haha
[04:53:00] metusine: i had an old laptop before this one
[04:53:00] metusine: decided i wanted something nice for a change
[04:53:00] mchou: ouch. No more keys left on laptop?
[04:54:00] metusine: mchou: got all but 7 and a half back on
[04:54:00] metusine: though Enter doesn't work so good anymore
[04:54:00] mchou: metusine: where are the 7?
[04:55:00] mchou: I mean why cant you get those 7 keys back on?
[04:55:00] mchou: might have to go to a surplus place and strip a keybaord off one :)
[04:56:00] rupurt: s6rry can't ty-e – th5ngs gett5ng way bad here
[04:56:00] mchou: haha
[04:56:00] mchou: I have that issue even though all my keys work :)
[04:56:00] metusine: mchou: the little bugger ate the rubber springy things
[04:57:00] mchou: ouch
[04:57:00] metusine: i have all the keys
[04:57:00] metusine: but the don't press at all
[04:57:00] rupurt: 5555
[04:57:00] metusine: hehe
[04:57:00] mchou: ask him or her if they were tasty L(
[04:57:00] mchou: :)
[04:57:00] metusine: bah
[04:57:00] metusine: he denies all knowledge
[04:57:00] mchou: haha
[04:58:00] mchou: seiously, a trip to the surplus store is in store for ya :)
[04:58:00] metusine: already bought a new one
[04:58:00] foobar-xs: does anyone here convert the .nuv files to .avi?? if so...using what??
[04:58:00] mchou: I wonder how he pryed them all off :)
[04:58:00] metusine: just waiting for a friend to install it
[04:58:00] metusine: well
[04:59:00] metusine: after you got the first one off
[04:59:00] metusine: the rest would be pretty easy
[04:59:00] mchou: metusine: you bought a whole new laptop?
[04:59:00] mchou: metusine: true :)
[04:59:00] metusine: they're pretty shallow keys too – only about 1.5 mm deep
[04:59:00] metusine: nah
[04:59:00] metusine: new keyboard
[04:59:00] mchou: how much did that cost?
[04:59:00] metusine: $140
[05:00:00] metusine: not good
[05:00:00] mchou: ouch!!
[05:00:00] metusine: but not a catastrophic lost
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[05:00:00] mchou: that was one expensive meal :)
[05:00:00] metusine: at least now i'll have a spare keyboard i can raid for peices if he does it again
[05:00:00] metusine: haha
[05:00:00] metusine: yeah
[05:00:00] metusine: teach me right for sleeping in i suppose
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[05:05:00] xris: foobar-xs: nuvexport
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[05:06:00] foobar-xs: xris, i can not get nuvexport to install in FC3
[05:08:00] foobar-xs: xris, i try to install..i get this error>> lve is needed by nuvexport-0.2–0.20050605.cvs.noarch
[05:08:00] foobar-xs: xris, so i try to install lve
[05:09:00] xris: foobar-xs: --nodeps
[05:09:00] xris: you just won't be able to use mpeg2cut.
[05:09:00] xris: (there is no lve for fc3)
[05:10:00] foobar-xs: i was doing it from source
[05:10:00] foobar-xs: but the --nodeps option i will try
[05:10:00] foobar-xs: :)
[05:11:00] foobar-xs: and i can't remember..but is nuvexport controled from commandline or MythFrontend?
[05:15:00] xris: commandline
[05:15:00] xris: and "from source"? you mean the tarball? tarball won't care about lve
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[05:17:00] rupurt: looks like i can type again – metusine- i as researching how to encrypt an sd card – and settled on it was either aes-loop or dmcrypt – but haven't done it yet -
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[05:18:00] foobar-xs: xris, i ment...installing lve from source
[05:18:00] xris: foobar-xs: I don't think it compilles
[05:18:00] foobar-xs: guess i was not clear on that
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[05:18:00] xris: c++ weirdness with recent gcc's
[05:18:00] foobar-xs: xris, ah
[05:19:00] metusine: well
[05:19:00] foobar-xs: xris, you have good success with nuvexport-xvid ?
[05:19:00] metusine: i'm trying aes for now
[05:20:00] xris: foobar-xs: yes. though I use --transcode (looks better to me)
[05:21:00] xris: and if I didn't have good success with it, I'd rewrite it. (took me awhile to get the defaults right)
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[05:26:00] Chutt: hrmph
[05:26:00] Chutt: my projector won't sync at 720p over hdmi
[05:30:00] Chutt: oh, got it
[05:31:00] mchou: ooh, looks like somebody got their HDMI cable :)
[05:31:00] Chutt: i won't be using it, though
[05:31:00] Chutt: the projector crops the bottom + top 10 pixels or so
[05:31:00] mchou: hmm??
[05:32:00] mchou: Chutt: you got a minimac, right?
[05:33:00] Chutt: nope
[05:33:00] mchou: decided against that or ?
[05:33:00] rupurt: maximac?
[05:33:00] mchou: jeje
[05:33:00] Chutt: not enough cpu/gpu to do what i wanted
[05:33:00] mchou: hehe*
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[05:33:00] mchou: yeah, I figured.
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[05:39:00] rupurt: I have more cpu and memory on my m,.\
[05:39:00] rupurt: m,.\
[05:40:00] rupurt: video card then the median of my computers
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[05:58:00] joshebel: wooooooo! hi.
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[06:18:00] bannerboy: I'm having nuvexport problems:
[06:18:00] bannerboy: mythtranscode died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong.
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[06:36:00] pce-matty: i'm having a love hate relationship with my pundit-r
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[06:47:00] pce-matty: alrighty, what's the primary piece of doco i have to read to make a plugin?
[06:47:00] ** pce-matty sparkles brightly **
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[06:52:00] GreyFoxx: The mythweather source is a good place to start :)
[06:52:00] GreyFoxx: or so I've seen people pointed too before :)
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[06:54:00] pce-matty: sounds like a plan
[06:55:00] ** pce-matty cracks his knuckles **
[06:56:00] GreyFoxx: Whatcha looking to write ?
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[06:57:00] GreyFoxx: man this is the first time I've sat at my desktop in at least 2 months.
[07:01:00] pce-matty: what am i writing? nothing exciting – just rejigging some menus and adding burning support
[07:01:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
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[07:15:00] jasoncohen: this is strange. on my ubuntu system, apache2 system to load like an ftp server. http://serverip doesn't bring up the default apache page. it shows a list of the different web pages available with apache2-default listed. It also tries to load mythweb's php file instaed of opening the page. it works fine in debian
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[07:21:00] pce-matty: jasoncohen: it's fine
[07:21:00] jasoncohen: it is?
[07:22:00] jasoncohen: it doesn't load mythweb
[07:22:00] pce-matty: yes, coz you haven't enabled apache's php support, so it's just gonna display php files as text instead of shipping them off to be processed
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[07:24:00] jasoncohen: it's actually not on my system. i use sarge
[07:25:00] jasoncohen: he needs libapache2-mod-php4 , right?
[07:25:00] pce-matty: probably has it already
[07:25:00] jasoncohen: i think he just installed php4 and apache2
[07:26:00] jasoncohen: wait, libapache2-mod-php4 is a dependency of php4
[07:26:00] pce-matty: your apache conf file will show if php is enabled
[07:26:00] jasoncohen: ok
[07:26:00] jasoncohen: i guess debian's default is to enable
[07:27:00] jasoncohen: ah, it's commented out
[07:27:00] jasoncohen: thanks
[07:27:00] pce-matty: np
[07:28:00] pce-matty: as for you 'ftp style look', well you'll notice that ubuntu sticks the 'welcome to apache' in a sub directory of the http doc root
[07:28:00] pce-matty: that's perfectly normal behaviour
[07:29:00] jasoncohen: yeah
[07:29:00] jasoncohen: debian does too
[07:29:00] jasoncohen: they just have auto redirect
[07:29:00] ** pce-matty kicks mplex **
[07:29:00] jasoncohen: why would debian's package enable php4 but not ubuntu's?
[07:29:00] pce-matty: *ERROR: [mplex] Can't find next AC3 frame: @ 4224 we have 80e9 – broken bit-stream?
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[07:47:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty, for some reason in debian, when libapache-mod-php4 is added, php4.load and php4.conf are added to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled. the same isnt done in ubuntu so it doesn't know what to do with php files
[07:49:00] pce-matty: ah, well there you go
[07:49:00] jasoncohen: why would ubuntu do that? if you install libapache2-mod-php4...it serves to reason you want php support in apache
[07:50:00] pce-matty: my primary machines here at work run gentoo, except for our 'fat' clients (systems that work as glorified Terminal Services Clients to our MS Small Business Server) which are primarily ubuntu
[07:50:00] jasoncohen: and without those files it's not easy to add support
[07:50:00] jasoncohen: it's not a matter of uncommenting lines in apache2.conf
[07:51:00] jasoncohen: you need php4.load so it knows where to find it
[07:51:00] jasoncohen: *it being the module
[07:51:00] pce-matty: ugly :( tho I can't say as I've had that much trouble with the ubuntu boxes here
[07:51:00] pce-matty: they're pretty much hoary installs straight off the cds i got from shipit
[07:52:00] ** pce-matty loves his pile of pretty ubuntu install disks **
[07:52:00] awstott: they still havn't sent me mine
[07:52:00] pce-matty: took 3 months for them to get to aussieland
[07:52:00] awstott: I got warty cds but no hoary cds
[07:53:00] pce-matty: regardless, shipit is awesome :)
[07:54:00] jasoncohen: still can't get php working with apache
[07:54:00] GreyFoxx: What is shipit ? :)
[07:54:00] jasoncohen: oh well, i like sarge anyways
[07:54:00] jasoncohen: just wondering why it wasn't working for him
[07:54:00] jasoncohen: GreyFoxx, ubuntu's service for sending free live/install ubuntu CDs – no shipping or cost for CDs
[07:54:00] pce-matty: greyfoxx: bored, go fill out the form at shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[07:55:00] GreyFoxx: jasoncohen: Ahhhh ok, that's cool
[07:55:00] pce-matty: it's very cool :)
[07:55:00] GreyFoxx: pce-matty: hehe I just might. Doubt I'll use it but I'll add it to my collection :)
[07:55:00] jasoncohen: so...no one here uses mythweb with ubuntu?
[07:56:00] jasoncohen: i didn't see anything on the ubuntu install howto about mythweb. in debian it just worked after i installed apache2, php4
[07:56:00] pce-matty: jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver
[07:57:00] pce-matty: that's what you need
[07:57:00] pce-matty: greyfoxx: ubuntu is truly linux for dummies (not that that is a bad thing... far from it)
[07:58:00] GreyFoxx: all I know about it is that it is/was debian based :)
[07:59:00] pce-matty: install gives you a nice clean gnome desktop, the synaptic gui for apt-get package management and instead of a gazillion deb repositories, ubuntu's ease of use stems from the fact they run their own well managed repositories
[07:59:00] GreyFoxx: Nifty
[07:59:00] GreyFoxx: Maybe one of these days I'll spare a machine for afew days to look at it
[07:59:00] pce-matty: straightforward instructions for installing 'restricted format' support (ie: libdvdcss etc)
[08:01:00] pce-matty: oh, and xorg of course
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[08:02:00] pce-matty: anyway, i'm off until tomorrow
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[08:05:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty-away, that's not working. i have php4 and apache2 installed
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[08:06:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty-away, i wrote this up to make multimedia support a bit more straightforward – https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?action=show
[08:06:00] jchillerup: hi... Is it possible to let mythtv use an alsa server seperate from the main one.. See, I have two sound cards.. And the one, I'd like to dedicate to MythTV
[08:06:00] jchillerup: Is that possible?
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[08:07:00] jchillerup: I'll then have to have two alsa servers running at the same time, but I won't mind
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[08:22:00] jasoncohen: that was easy enough
[08:22:00] jasoncohen: i needed libapache2-mod-php4 (not libapache-mod-php4)
[08:22:00] jasoncohen: which php4 depends on
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[08:22:00] jasoncohen: ubuntuguide was wrong
[08:24:00] defaultro: is Chutt around? Just would like to know why last week when compiling mythplugins, I was getting an error on -lXext something
[08:24:00] defaultro: I remember xris was experiencing this too
[08:26:00] defaultro: hi jasconcohen
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[08:30:00] Jimmmy: Hi guys, i got a weird problem with mythtv that isnt easily searchable (iv tried) so im hoping someone can help me.. im using a dvico fusion HDTV DVB-T Plus card which works fine in mplayer etc.. i configured mythtv and started my backend, then the frontend and selected "Watch TV" the picture came up fine and i was happy, but the next time i ran the frontend and selected Watch TV it goes black for a few seconds then exits saying "Killed" – I
[08:30:00] Jimmmy: have run the backend in verbose mode but can see no errors. any ideas?
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[08:31:00] xris: defaultro: which distro?
[08:31:00] Jimmmy: Also im using 0.18.1 with gentoo linux 2005
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[08:32:00] UncleBill: hello friends
[08:32:00] Jimmmy: hi
[08:34:00] UncleBill: so my mythtv is hooked to the tv (of course), and I'm thinking of moving it in the garage. any ideas of the best way to do this? currently, I'm thinking of a wireless pc to tv thing that will send the vga signal there. but I'd prefer to send it via ethernet. any thoughts?
[08:34:00] UncleBill: when I say moving it, I mean moving the mythtv
[08:34:00] Jimmmy: UncleBill, the wireless AV transmitters dont do HD/SD very well
[08:34:00] UncleBill: fortunately (?) I don't have HD
[08:35:00] Jimmmy: iv got a similer setup, but i went to tandys (radio shack) and got a tv signal amplifier that plugs into standard wall socket power, and a reel of 10m tv antenna cable
[08:35:00] Jimmmy: the wireless AV setup is better if you dont have HD/SD because theres little/no loss
[08:35:00] Jimmmy: but it will interfer with existing 2.4/2.6GHZ wireless networks
[08:35:00] UncleBill: so the signal goes through the power lines?
[08:35:00] Jimmmy: so if you have a wireless network or cordless phone system – be weary
[08:36:00] UncleBill: ah, good point
[08:36:00] Jimmmy: no, the amplifier gets its power from a wall socket
[08:36:00] Jimmmy: e.g itl work anywhere
[08:36:00] UncleBill: do you know of an ethernet setup?
[08:36:00] Jimmmy: no i dont, sorry
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[08:38:00] UncleBill: alternatively, how quiet can I make a mythtv? they must make quiet power supplies
[08:38:00] Jimmmy: i have a noiseless PSU in mine
[08:38:00] UncleBill: what mfg/model?
[08:38:00] Jimmmy: from Enermax, but zalman also make a few
[08:40:00] UncleBill: did you get it integrated into the case? or you put the hardware together yourself?
[08:40:00] Jimmmy: i built my own machine, in a micro-atx barebone system from MSI
[08:40:00] Jimmmy: the power is 120w
[08:40:00] UncleBill: ok
[08:42:00] UncleBill: I've had this shuttle for almost two years. it's compact and that's good, but unfortuantely, several things have been bugging me. It's loud, and only has one slot, and the hardware is flaky
[08:42:00] UncleBill: time for a change
[08:43:00] mchou: Jimmmy: what's a noiseless PSU?
[08:43:00] mchou: like does it provide noise cancellation?
[08:44:00] Jimmmy: mchou, a power supply unit that does not emit noise – funny that
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[08:44:00] mchou: no fans then?
[08:44:00] UncleBill: how do they do it? the picture on their website shows it has a fan
[08:44:00] Jimmmy: mchou, they generally achieve it by using low power fans, or no fan at all on some lower powered models
[08:44:00] Jimmmy: il find a review
[08:44:00] Jimmmy: hold
[08:44:00] UncleBill: thx
[08:44:00] mchou: bah. That's not noiseless :)
[08:45:00] UncleBill: hell, it doesn't have to be noiseless, but it's gotta be a lot less noisier than I currently have
[08:45:00] Jimmmy: mchou, my cpu fan makes more noise than my PSU :)
[08:45:00] mchou: Jimmmy: that's not saying much :)
[08:45:00] Jimmmy: and its a stock standard amd 3500+
[08:46:00] Jimmmy: mchou, when powering on the psu by itself, i cant hear a thing
[08:46:00] UncleBill: impressive
[08:46:00] mchou: I've found dell cases to be the quietest.
[08:46:00] mchou: and maybe antec p180 after that.
[08:47:00] Jimmmy: http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/other_ . . . aker_EG701P/
[08:47:00] mchou: that's 7V olts driving 9cm fans, that is on P180
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[08:48:00] UncleBill: very cool
[08:48:00] mchou: dell cases dampen sound rather nicely with their metal line plastic cases.
[08:48:00] mchou: I have an older enermax and it's far from quiet.
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[08:48:00] Jimmmy: this discussion is all good, but does anyone have any know-how on fixing broken mythtv ? (see my question earlier)
[08:49:00] mchou: I tend to distrust enermax noise ratings.
[08:49:00] Jimmmy: mchou, i tend to distrust any marketing noise ratings :)
[08:49:00] mchou: or their marketing claims :)
[08:49:00] mchou: well, that's what I mean.
[08:49:00] UncleBill: I missed your question, Jimmmy. what was it?
[08:50:00] Jimmmy: Hi guys, i got a weird problem with mythtv that isnt easily searchable (iv tried) so im hoping someone can help me.. im using a dvico fusion HDTV DVB-T Plus card which works fine in mplayer etc.. i configured mythtv and started my backend, then the frontend and selected "Watch TV" the picture came up fine and i was happy, but the next time i ran the frontend and selected Watch TV it goes black for a few seconds then exits saying "Killed" – I
[08:50:00] Jimmmy: have run the backend in verbose mode but can see no errors. any ideas? – repost.
[08:50:00] mchou: not to mention that all my enermaxes only put out 11.90V on the 12V rail :(
[08:50:00] Jimmmy: ^^ iv also checked its tuned to a correct channell – which it is.
[08:51:00] UncleBill: fraid I have no idea on your problem; sorry
[08:51:00] mchou: does it work reliably on recordings?
[08:51:00] Jimmmy: havnt tried
[08:51:00] Jimmmy: im just emerging mythweb atm, so il try when the cpu frees up
[08:51:00] mchou: try that and tell us what you find out.
[08:51:00] mchou: lol
[08:52:00] Jimmmy: i think im trying to get away with too much here, the system is a pIII 870MHZ :(
[08:52:00] mchou: I really dont understand why in the world ppl use gentoo.
[08:52:00] mchou: backend only?
[08:52:00] Jimmmy: back & front
[08:52:00] mchou: lol.
[08:52:00] Jimmmy: yer :/
[08:52:00] mchou: the is DVB-T, correct?
[08:52:00] Jimmmy: is there a windows front-end ?
[08:52:00] mchou: this*
[08:53:00] mchou: lol
[08:53:00] mchou: windows wont be any more efficient.
[08:53:00] Jimmmy: my windows machine is a dual AMD 3500+
[08:53:00] mchou: if anything it will be more mips hungry.
[08:53:00] Jimmmy: so big difference between that and a single pIII 870
[08:54:00] mchou: dual doesnt really by you that much when it comes to myth.
[08:54:00] mchou: buy*
[08:54:00] Jimmmy: yer
[08:54:00] mchou: no speedup at all unless you trancode.
[08:54:00] Jimmmy: all i really want from mythtv is the ability to remotely setup recordings over the web
[08:54:00] Jimmmy: im not fussed with watching live tv – thats what my television is for..
[08:55:00] mchou: so, do what I suggested.
[08:55:00] Jimmmy: but i was under the impression if it wont work with livetv it wont record either
[08:55:00] mchou: that's a false impression.
[08:55:00] Jimmmy: as for testing it, like i said i will do that when emerge has finished
[08:55:00] Jimmmy: 3 of 36 depends :/
[08:55:00] Jimmmy: might go get some lunch
[08:55:00] mchou: right, get back to me in a year :)
[08:55:00] mchou: haha.
[08:55:00] Jimmmy: aheh
[08:56:00] Jimmmy: gentoo has let me build a nice _small_ system
[08:56:00] Jimmmy: im patient
[08:56:00] mchou: bullshit.
[08:56:00] mchou: you can build plenty of small systems.
[08:57:00] mchou: with other precompiled distros.
[08:57:00] Jimmmy: yeah but you have to install first and then rebuild
[08:57:00] mchou: I'm rinning my backend on a HDD that's only 500 megs.
[08:57:00] Jimmmy: why do that when i can build it all customised from the start
[08:57:00] mchou: runng*
[08:57:00] mchou: running*
[08:58:00] mchou: Jimmmy: says who?
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[08:58:00] Jimmmy: IMHO
[08:58:00] mchou: I didnt have to rebuild jack.
[08:58:00] Jimmmy: in my case, i had to rebuild the kernel because of my card driver
[08:59:00] mchou: lol.
[08:59:00] Jimmmy: gentoo let me do that pre-install
[08:59:00] Jimmmy: so the first kernel was the right one :)
[08:59:00] Jimmmy: i was also able to remove all the crap that gets compiled into a standard binary based distro
[08:59:00] Jimmmy: which kept the size down a minimum
[08:59:00] mchou: big deal.
[08:59:00] Jimmmy: to me, it is a big deal :)
[09:00:00] mchou: it makes no sense to save space on a mythbackend that's supposed to house Terabytes of storage.
[09:00:00] Jimmmy: dont limit yourself to thinking of storage space, what about memory & cpu ?
[09:01:00] Jimmmy: by stripping my kernel its a much smaller memory footprint, and by not loading a million and one modules im minimizing my system load
[09:01:00] mchou: and my point is that it's certainly possible to have small systems with precompiled distros even w/o rebuilding.
[09:01:00] mchou: haha.
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[09:01:00] Jimmmy: you might not notice it on a high end cpu, but my little pIII certainly breathes easier
[09:02:00] Jimmmy: for me it could be the difference between dropped frames or not
[09:02:00] mchou: hah. that's a laugh.
[09:02:00] mchou: my backend is running p2 450.
[09:02:00] Jimmmy: and iv already stated that this machine is both my frontend and backend
[09:02:00] Jimmmy: :)
[09:02:00] mchou: yours is twice as big as mine.
[09:02:00] mchou: so?
[09:03:00] Jimmmy: so im happy with what iv done and in reality thats what matters because its my setup, right ?
[09:03:00] mchou: right.
[09:03:00] Jimmmy: if i can provide humor to you, then thats also good for me :)
[09:03:00] mchou: just pointing out fallacies in reasoning is all.
[09:04:00] mchou: in gentoo you have much more than just the kernel to compile.
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[09:15:00] UncleBill: I see a few projects out there integrating mythtv with the hauppauge media mvp. anybody here had any experience with any of these?
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[09:26:00] vegeetz: Anyone up
[09:26:00] vegeetz: hehe
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[10:09:00] predakanga: Hi, anyone have experience with the Hauppauge PVR-250? Specifically, I've got the drivers installed and working (for composite), but I can't figure out how to display/record from a console or a VCR connected to the coaxial input (I'm in Malaysia, and none of the frequency tables fit)
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[10:11:00] xris: vcr could go in via the composite (rca-style) input, no?
[10:11:00] xris: other than that, I don't know a thing about the frequency tables.. google not help?
[10:11:00] xris: anyway, I need to crash, hopefully someone else will be awake to help you.
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[10:12:00] predakanga: Yep, but unfortunately I only have 1 composite audio-headphone jack cable, and that's being used for the output, so I can't input from it
[10:12:00] predakanga: And Google told me that Malaysia uses PAL-B for VHF and PAL-G for UHF, but I don't know how to apply that knowledge
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[10:28:00] pce-matty-away: just gonna pop across the road for a pint or three before putting in an all nighter :)
[10:28:00] pce-matty-away: bb-soonish
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[12:22:00] Jimmmy: hmm
[12:23:00] Jimmmy: ok, so i just verified my backend can record shows, but when i run mythfrontend and select Watch TV it shows a black screen for 2 seconds and exits back to the terminal saying "Killed" – anyone know any solutions? this worked _once_ the first time i ran mythfrontend and has never worked after that (no changes have been made).
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[12:39:00] fatmatt: /dev/hdc1 184G 33M 175G 1% /mnt/mythtv_disc
[12:40:00] fatmatt: new disc, nothing on it yet, where's 9G gone?
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[12:47:00] pendejo: Who knows the solution to my problem? Only the channels with a frequency ID beginning with E (like E18) are showing up in mythtv, when toggling between channels. Other channels with frequency id's like S18 simply don't show up (can't access them)
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[13:00:00] stoffel: pendejo: for testing, try renaming S18 to SE18 and see if that works
[13:00:00] fatmatt: ahh, reserved for root
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[13:07:00] Coume: hello everybody :)
[13:07:00] pendejo: stoffel, thanx. that was the fault. I found also a clearifiying topic on the mailing list
[13:09:00] stoffel: pendejo: also see http://de-mythwiki.ath.cx/mediawiki-1.4.6/ind . . . filldatabase if you can read german. for german cable-tv, the VHF ESB range should be left as SXX
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[14:16:00] ExElNeT: heya ...
[14:16:00] ExElNeT: does the new mythfrontend have a new ooption for the screen siolution? if i start the frontend on my 800x600 tv it still has a 1280x1024 solution
[14:18:00] ExElNeT: resolution ..
[14:19:00] ExElNeT: ah mythfrontend -display :0.1 -geometry 800x600
[14:19:00] ExElNeT: works just fine ;)
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[15:20:00] D4m4ge: hi
[15:22:00] predakanga: Hi
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[15:32:00] t0t3r: anyone any experiences with myth and CI Module ... ??
[15:34:00] predakanga: CI Module?
[15:34:00] Jimmmy: whats CI Module?
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[15:35:00] rototom: hello together
[15:36:00] rototom: I really would like to use mythtv, but I seem to be too stupid
[15:36:00] rototom: anyone in here, who knows how to configure mythtv for a dvb-t card?
[15:36:00] rototom: mythtv finds my card, but I have no idea, how to add programms
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[15:43:00] t0t3r: channels --> channelscan
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[15:50:00] rototom: t0t3r, doenst work for me
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[15:51:00] rototom: I dont know, how to add the video source
[15:51:00] rototom: wich is needed for channel scan
[15:51:00] rototom: but I already have a channels.conf from xine and mplayer
[15:51:00] rototom: can I use this?
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[15:58:00] rototom: Its a pitty, I cant use it
[15:58:00] rototom: it looks realy cool
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[16:09:00] t0t3r: whats thw problem
[16:09:00] t0t3r: add ure tv card ...
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[16:10:00] t0t3r: probably /dev/dvb/frontend0
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[16:19:00] predakanga: Anyone know what the latest stable versions of mdf and mde are (SVN tag, that is)?
[16:20:00] stoffel: has there ever been a 'stable' version of mfd/mfe?
[16:21:00] stoffel: iow they've never been released so far
[16:21:00] predakanga: Well, compileable – version 6907 isn't compilable
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[16:22:00] jvs: my tv-out is off center
[16:22:00] jvs: anybody knows how to fix this? (nvidia fx5200)
[16:24:00] t0t3r: mfd/mfe <--- what is it?
[16:25:00] predakanga: t0t3r: mfd is a daemon that aggregates media from various sources (such as DAAP shares or directories) and mfe is a plugin for mythtv to access all the media
[16:25:00] t0t3r: daap shares ...?
[16:26:00] predakanga: The way iTunes shares music
[16:26:00] t0t3r: omg
[16:26:00] t0t3r: go away with this shit
[16:27:00] predakanga: ...
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[16:33:00] joruss: hello
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[16:37:00] jvs: anybody here uses a nvidia fx card for tv-out?
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[16:50:00] jchillerup: Hey.. Where do the config files reside
[16:50:00] jchillerup: They're not in /etc
[16:50:00] jchillerup: I use gentoo and have downloaded mythtv using portage
[16:50:00] stoffel: there's only mysql.txt
[16:50:00] predakanga: It's all in MySQL. Run mythtv-setup to configure it
[16:50:00] jchillerup: nowhere to choose a custom screen res
[16:51:00] jchillerup: Cause my TV runs in 640x480
[16:51:00] stoffel: jchillerup: in the frontend settings somewhere afair
[16:51:00] jchillerup: In my MySQL db?
[16:52:00] stoffel: no, mythfrontend -> settings Menue
[16:52:00] jchillerup: ah, thanks
[16:53:00] monkeyBox: Hey all, I'm trying to copy a DVD iso using "dvd if=/dev/dvd of=mydvd.iso". I've been able to transfer most of the DVD's im my collection, but lately I can't get any to copy over. I get a "Input/Output" error after a short period of time. Could this be related to DRM? Or shouldn't I just be able to get a DVD iso no matter what?
[16:53:00] GreyFoxx: jchillerup: Well you can controll how large the myth menus are and center them via the appearance settings, but to actually control the resolution that X uses is configured in X not myth
[16:54:00] jchillerup: Well.. I have two monitors on one X server
[16:54:00] jchillerup: One in 1280x1024 and one in 640x480
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: jchillerup: You can configure them to be different resolutions (assuming your card/driver) supports that
[16:54:00] jchillerup: I already have
[16:54:00] jchillerup: That's what I am saying
[16:54:00] GreyFoxx: Depends on whether you want them to be clones of each other
[16:55:00] GreyFoxx: Then I don't understand the question. If only is 640x480 and you run myth on that one you shouldn't have to do much of anything else
[16:59:00] jchillerup: now it works
[17:00:00] jchillerup: I set the res to be 640x480 on my main monitor, and now it works like a charm
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[17:01:00] jchillerup: Now, all I need is a tv-tuner
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[17:37:00] GeckoFiend: you should set your display to 800x600 not 640x480 (at least for the gui)
[17:37:00] Chutt: gui runs fine at 640x480
[17:37:00] Chutt: and looks better over a tv out than higher resolutions
[17:38:00] GeckoFiend: yeah just looks better at 800x600 :-p
[17:40:00] Chutt: no, it doesn't
[17:41:00] Chutt: 800x600 has to be scaled down on output
[17:41:00] Chutt: at 640x480, the fonts aren't being scaled
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[18:37:00] xris: ahh, gotta love it when programs change their cli options.. blech.
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[18:49:00] xris: blech. I think that yuvdenoise is just borked....
[18:49:00] stoffel: how?
[18:50:00] stoffel: v1.0?
[18:51:00] xris: mjpegtools 1.6.3 (pre)
[18:51:00] xris: axel couldn't get 1.6.2 to compile in fc4, and I think the pre version is broken.
[18:51:00] xris: yuvdenoise -h
[18:51:00] xris: INFO: [yuvdenoise] Usage of the denoiser (very brief this time... :)
[18:51:00] xris: INFO: [yuvdenoise] will be fixed ASAP...
[18:51:00] stoffel: they recommend using cvs anyways
[18:52:00] stoffel: didn't know there's a pre available
[18:53:00] xris: me, neither.
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[18:54:00] xris: explains why people have been having so much trouble with it, though
[18:55:00] stoffel: btw, transcode v1.0 has a bug in the skip filter, it truncates long arguments to skip="..."
[18:55:00] stoffel: i wasted one night due to it, only to find a 30min file instead of 2,5 hours
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[18:57:00] stoffel: the last skip section 237441–251000 was treated as 237441–25100 deleting 2/3 of the movie
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[19:00:00] xris: ouch
[19:00:00] xris: yet another reason for the --force_mythtranscode option. I think that does cutlist, too.
[19:01:00] xris: man, and yuvdenoise has no "version" cli option, either.... -h gives you the help, but no version.
[19:05:00] rjune: xris: hey
[19:05:00] xris: hey
[19:08:00] stoffel: xris: is nuvexport in cvs.mythtv.org up to date?
[19:08:00] xris: very
[19:08:00] xris: https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/
[19:08:00] stoffel: i just noticed your own repro, thus my question
[19:08:00] xris: not to mention that mythtv cvs is also out of date.
[19:09:00] stoffel: oh, could it get updated?
[19:09:00] stoffel: i actually meant the svn repro on mythtv.org
[19:09:00] xris: svn repo is fine for mythtv. and as of 2 seconds ago, nuvexport is gone from there.
[19:10:00] ** stoffel thinks cvs.mythtv.org should get renamed to svn.mythtv.org **
[19:11:00] Chutt: so use svn.mythtv.org, nothing stopping you
[19:11:00] Chutt: svn.mythtv.org has address 70.84.9.188
[19:11:00] Chutt: svn.mythtv.org is an alias for cvs.mythtv.org.
[19:12:00] stoffel: old habits you know
[19:13:00] stoffel: didn't know svn... was working as all links on http://cvs.mythtv.org
[19:13:00] Chutt: right
[19:14:00] stoffel: mind if i change it?
[19:14:00] Chutt: yeah :p
[19:14:00] Chutt: don't want to make people think they have to switch
[19:14:00] stoffel: np, no work for me ;)
[19:15:00] stoffel: ok, but shouldn't the svn co links point to svn. at least?
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[19:19:00] xris: haha... probably true
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[19:28:00] xris: ok, nuvexport updated...
[19:29:00] xris: hopefully it'll stop the barrage of emails about it not working.
[19:30:00] xris: stoffel: what "cvs." links?
[19:30:00] xris: ;)
[19:31:00] stoffel: did i mention cvs? oh no, i didn't :)
[19:33:00] ** jvs is away: ...get behind me satan **
[19:35:00] travolta: can you add the modifications to nuvexport from here: http://www.allisongrassi.com/files/nuvexport-PSP.tar.bz2 to nuvexport ? the modified files are PSP.pm and nuvexport
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[19:53:00] xris: man, now my office smells like mulch....
[19:54:00] zuralin: PSP for the sony psp?!?!
[19:54:00] travolta: yea
[19:55:00] zuralin: word fucking up
[19:55:00] xris: travolta: yeah, will get to that in a bit.
[19:56:00] xris: patch would have been nicer,though...
[19:56:00] travolta: have nuvexport 0.2 installed and copied the "nuvexport" and PSP.pm files from the above archive to where nuvexport is installed
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[19:57:00] xris: yeah, I can do it.
[19:58:00] travolta: :)
[19:59:00] xris: travolta: give me a name/email I can attach to it with the commit.
[20:01:00] travolta: i didnt write it, found it on a web forum, link to forum is http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5030& , guys name is mgrassi99
[20:02:00] xris: travolta: ahh...
[20:03:00] travolta: im guessing his email is doula@allisongrassi.com
[20:07:00] xris: travolta: grab the new nuvexport and let me know how it works for you.
[20:08:00] travolta: gotta uninstall old on first ?
[20:08:00] travolta: old one
[20:08:00] xris: shouldn't
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[20:08:00] xris: only between .1 and .2 did you have to do that.
[20:09:00] travolta: http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport-latest.tar.bz2 ?
[20:10:00] travolta: how do i grab the latest one ? i dont got svn installed
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[20:20:00] xris: that'd be the latest, yes
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[20:23:00] travolta: nope, not working
[20:27:00] travolta: it was working if i just copied the "nuvexport" from above archive (nuvexport-PSP.tar.bz2) to /usr/local/bin/ and "PSP.pm" from above archive to /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg/
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[20:31:00] Jimmmy: in mythweb, would the recording priority be highest at 0, or 99 ?
[20:34:00] travolta: probably 99
[20:34:00] travolta: you can use negative too
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[20:34:00] travolta: why go so high to 99 ?
[20:34:00] Jimmmy: thats what is in the drop down list ?
[20:34:00] Jimmmy: i just wanted my recording to have higher cpu priority than other things
[20:34:00] minimike: hello
[20:35:00] minimike: i have some problems with mythtv and xmltv maybe some one can help me
[20:35:00] travolta: that doesnt alter cpu priority
[20:36:00] travolta: it affects the program conflits priority
[20:36:00] Jimmmy: oh? darn
[20:36:00] Jimmmy: is there anyway you can alter cpu prio?
[20:36:00] minimike: mythtv doesnt grab channels with tv_grab_de_today
[20:36:00] xris: Jimmmy: man nice
[20:37:00] Jimmmy: minimike, mythtv-setup ?
[20:37:00] minimike: but if i do that manualy i get channels
[20:37:00] travolta: maybe run mythbackend with different "nice" settings
[20:37:00] minimike: Jimmy yes mythtv is grabing 3 houers
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[20:38:00] Jimmmy: travolta, good idea
[20:38:00] minimike: with tv_grab_de_today i get the channels between 10 – 20 minutes
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[20:44:00] Jimmmy: does anyone know how to setup commercial flagging / removing ? or if its even possible in austraila HDTV ?
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[20:47:00] Filip: Hi all, I have a problem running a frontend on another computer. I know that Gentoo's standard MySQL install closes the database to external connections, but how do I open it for my other computer to connect?
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[20:51:00] travolta: Jimmmy, i know you can set it to auto flag commercials after recording/ during recording but i dont kjnow about automatic removal
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[20:52:00] travolta: Filip, look in mythtv faq
[20:52:00] travolta: i remember it tells you how
[20:52:00] Jimmmy: travolta, so what does it flag them for? later removal using a program?
[20:53:00] travolta: so when you are watching, it can auto skip them
[20:53:00] travolta: but they are still there
[20:53:00] Jimmmy: yeah.. this is a remote pvr, no monitor attached
[20:53:00] Jimmmy: id really like it to auto cut them upon recording
[20:53:00] Jimmmy: im sure it can be done, maybe post-record
[20:53:00] ** Jimmmy investigates **
[20:54:00] travolta: but you are watching them from another mythfrontend ?
[20:54:00] travolta: or exporting them to like xvid/divx ?
[20:55:00] Jimmmy: exporting them
[20:55:00] Jimmmy: to what yet i dont know, nuvexport is emerging
[20:55:00] Jimmmy: xvid would be nice
[20:55:00] Jimmmy: mind you dvd format would be nice too
[20:55:00] Jimmmy: hmm
[20:56:00] travolta: if they have a cutlist, nuvexport can cut the commercials out while it encodes to those formats
[20:56:00] travolta: i dont know hwo to automaticaly make a cutlist
[20:57:00] Jimmmy: ok
[20:57:00] Jimmmy: the doc says "After marking commercials, the transcoder can be run manually to delete the commercials from the file (thus further saving space)"
[20:57:00] Jimmmy: so it looks hopefull
[20:58:00] Filip: travolta: Thanks, but I don't get the instructions; that is: they don't work
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[21:00:00] travolta: Filip, are you looking at the instructions from this page: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html ?
[21:00:00] travolta: the bottom of that page
[21:00:00] Filip: travolta: yes...
[21:00:00] travolta: what step are you stuck at?
[21:02:00] Filip: Host 'blue.sterrenbos' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[21:02:00] Filip: this line: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.mydomain.com" identified by "mythtv"; gives me this error ^^^
[21:03:00] Filip: wait a sec...
[21:03:00] travolta: you have to use your settings for ip/host, not just cut and paste them to command line
[21:04:00] Filip: thanks, I got that
[21:04:00] Filip: but i did something else sillily
[21:05:00] Filip: (i know it isn't a word)
[21:06:00] Filip: I'm making progress now, it was a simple typo
[21:07:00] Filip: I'm running into a new problem of course, but i won't complain just yet :)
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[21:27:00] Filip: I have to downgrade the frontend to match the antiquated 0.17 I have running on my main mythtv
[21:27:00] Filip: so far so good though
[21:32:00] travolta: why not upgrade your backend?
[21:33:00] Filip: scared
[21:33:00] Filip: I've come to depend on it
[21:33:00] Filip: you never know if you break something
[21:33:00] Filip: are you on gentoo?
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[21:34:00] rjune: no, which is why we don't have to fight such stupidity as often
[21:34:00] Filip: lol
[21:34:00] Filip: Well I am, and I'm fighting stupidity occasionally
[21:35:00] rjune: we fight other stupidity
[21:35:00] Filip: like what?
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[21:36:00] rjune: my stupidity is primarily things like programs not liking gcc
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[21:36:00] Filip: the stupidity I fight is usually my own though
[21:36:00] riddlebox: is anyone using a pvr500?
[21:36:00] Filip: gentoo always gives me the feeling that things that go wrong are my fault
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[21:38:00] Filip: I'll upgrade if there's anything cool in 0.19
[21:39:00] rjune: there probably will be
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[21:40:00] Filip: I think so too. I'm actually considering a mythtv backup computer
[21:41:00] Filip: I want to build a new one anyway (noise, you know), and I might just as well do it while the other is still in service
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[21:44:00] rjune: My backend is also my fileserver
[21:44:00] rjune: so that's all happy
[21:46:00] Filip: rjune: same with me, but I build it from parts I had lying around the house, and they're noise together
[21:46:00] Filip: I want to build a pundit-r
[21:46:00] Filip: I like the looks
[21:46:00] Filip: and the price too
[21:46:00] rjune: heh
[21:46:00] rjune: I just got a 300GB drive for mine
[21:48:00] Randall64: I'm debating what little computer to send back with my in-laws to $foreign_land.
[21:48:00] Randall64: probably a mac mini
[21:48:00] Randall64: supporting their wintendo from a distance has been a nightmare
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[21:50:00] Filip: I put in two 200GB and one 40GB. I had LVM for the 2 200s, but it didn't really work out...
[21:50:00] ** stoffel yawns at |rt| **
[21:51:00] Filip: Unfortunately, my 0.17 frontend won't connect
[21:51:00] Filip: 2005-07–23 21:47:56.687 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.105:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[21:51:00] Filip: 2005-07–23 21:47:56.693 Using protocol version 14
[21:51:00] Filip: Could not connect to server
[21:51:00] Filip: Could not connect to server
[21:51:00] Filip: Killed
[21:51:00] Filip: Although I did get a quick peek at the recordings list
[21:51:00] Filip: so something does work
[21:51:00] Filip: after 2 secs, it crashed though
[21:51:00] Filip: Ah well, can't complain about 0.17 :)
[21:52:00] Filip: with 0.18–2 available
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[21:53:00] NightBird: hm..
[21:53:00] t0t3r: how to start second XServer Display
[21:54:00] Filip: I'll give up for now and try again as by the time 0.19 is available
[21:54:00] Filip: Thanks for help & attention everyone
[21:54:00] zuralin: thats the spirit!
[21:57:00] Filip: The "I give up" part or the "try again" part?
[21:58:00] zuralin: i give up
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[22:00:00] stoffel: t0t3r: man X
[22:00:00] jchillerup: Anybody with bt878 experience?
[22:01:00] Filip: lol
[22:01:00] Filip: see you all
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[22:25:00] Jimmmy: FYI guys, theres a _very_ nice frontend to mythtv for windows, its also able to play the nuv files straight out of explorer, the url is http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/
[22:26:00] zuralin: thats harder to setup then myth itself
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[22:28:00] jchillerup: I'm having a tough time setting myth up :(
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[22:30:00] jtwang: anyone familiar with the pcHDTV HD-3000?
[22:31:00] jtwang: trying to get it working with myth 0.18 on kernel 2.6.12.3
[22:31:00] jtwang: the DVB tools work, and I can get an MPEG-2 stream from /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0
[22:32:00] jtwang: but in myth when I set up the card it complains "Could not get card info for card #0!"
[22:32:00] jtwang: and the channel scan doesn'tn work
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[22:52:00] riddlebox: does anyone use the pvr500 card?
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[23:36:00] riddlebox: how the heck do I use the import dvd feature?
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[23:54:00] Jimmmy: can you guys point me in the right direction here
[23:54:00] Jimmmy: im going off http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.14
[23:55:00] Jimmmy: it says: "To enable automatic transcoding, do the following: start the setup program under the host-specific settings: set the Transcoder Auto-run checkbox"
[23:55:00] Jimmmy: iv just gone through mythtv-setup and the setup in mythfrontend and i cant see ANYTHING like "Transcoder Auto-run" ?????????
[23:55:00] t0t3r: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. <-- how to solve this
[23:56:00] t0t3r: wanna start Xserver as normal user ... without kdm or xdm
[23:56:00] ** Krazylegz runs **
[23:56:00] Jimmmy: t0t3r, thats not really a mythtv problem..
[23:56:00] Jimmmy: ask in your distrobution specific channel
[23:56:00] riddlebox: how do I use the import dvd feature?
[23:56:00] Jimmmy: riddlebox, install the mythdvd plugin ?
[23:57:00] Jimmmy: or is it mythvideo
[23:57:00] Jimmmy: i think its that
[23:57:00] riddlebox: Jimmy:I am using knoppmyth, and it is installed
[23:57:00] Jimmmy: hmm
[23:57:00] riddlebox: but when I go to import dvd, it says no jobs. checking and or waiting for dvd
[23:57:00] t0t3r: it is a myth problem
[23:58:00] Jimmmy: does the mythbackend user have access to your dvd rom drive?
[23:58:00] t0t3r: cause i wann run myth on this server
[23:58:00] riddlebox: hrmm I will check that
[23:58:00] Jimmmy: t0t3r, no its an X server problem, and there could be a hundred different ways to configure your X server based on what distrobution of linux your running, so please – ask in your distrobution specific channel
[23:58:00] riddlebox: it doesnt appear to have it,
[23:58:00] Jimmmy: theres no 1 stop answer for setting up X
[23:59:00] riddlebox: Jimmy:how do I give mythtv access to the drive?
[23:59:00] stoffel: t0t3r: startx on debian

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