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Tuesday, July 19th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:22:00] Keith: is the mythdvd setup in mythtv-setup or is there a mythdvd-setup?
[00:24:00] Keith: nevermind found it
[00:24:00] Keith: thanks anyway
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[00:31:00] hadees: does a backend only need audio setup?
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[00:35:00] bannerboy_: I'm having problems with mythtranscode
[00:35:00] bannerboy_: bash-2.05b$ mythtranscode -i $videofile --profile autodetect --fifodir .
[00:35:00] bannerboy_: failed to open file '1000_20050709000000_20050709000100.nuv' errcode: -6
[00:36:00] Tommck: bannerboy_ – well... is the file there?
[00:36:00] Tommck: is it > 0 bytes?
[00:39:00] bannerboy_: the file is there
[00:39:00] Tommck: size?
[00:39:00] bannerboy_: it's 42.0 MB
[00:40:00] Tommck: and the user that's running mythtranscode has rights to it?
[00:40:00] bannerboy_: yup
[00:41:00] ** Tommck is running out of options **
[00:42:00] bannerboy_: what is errorcode -6
[00:42:00] Tommck: dunno
[00:42:00] Tommck: it this on the same machine?
[00:42:00] bannerboy_: yes
[00:42:00] bannerboy_: it's in my home dir
[00:42:00] Tommck: hmm... I'm out of suggestions
[00:43:00] Tommck: it doesn't expect it in the myth directory?
[00:44:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh* you gotta love it when customers ignore all recommendations to patch their systems, and NEVER backup their data on a machine that is required to be working in order for any of their cable modems to work and then are suprised when the machine gets hacked and has to be rebuilt from scratch
[00:45:00] mchou: huh??
[00:45:00] GreyFoxx: basically "customers are fscking idiots"
[00:45:00] mchou: cable modems require coxes to work??
[00:46:00] mchou: boxes*
[00:46:00] kormoc: sure, a computer or router or something else to receive the data, yeah.
[00:46:00] GreyFoxx: They certainly require the provisioning system for the modems to come online
[00:46:00] kormoc: unless you ahve a internal cable modem?
[00:46:00] GreyFoxx: no response to the dhcp request, and no system to feed out the config file and the modems wont come online
[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: And seriously if you had a server that controlled your entire cable internet system would you NOT maintain and back it up regularly ?
[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: I mean, jeez, its only your business afterall
[00:47:00] bannerboy_: and it doesn't work as root either
[00:47:00] diamon: Grey: Did you at least get to bill the moron customers?  :)
[00:48:00] kormoc: I wouldn't! I'd even run random scripts that I found online as root as well!
[00:48:00] stoffel: that reminds me to do a backup of my backend/firewall/server/...
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: diamon: I'm giving them a quote right now
[00:48:00] diamon: kormoc: +5 points for honesty...
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: standard rates :) HOPEFULLY I will be able to pull their database from the server , otherwise they are in for a world of hurt :)
[00:49:00] diamon: Grey: Good. Every time I made someone a firewall I gave them options. 1) Pay me per month (something tiny, $10–50 depending on complexity, nothing was larger than 100 systems) to maintain the firewall, or 2) I decry all responsibility once it's more than one patchlevel or 30 days behind current, unless exempted by me in writing.
[00:50:00] diamon: And I have a special 'that moron did WHAT?!' rate.
[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[00:50:00] mchou: diamon: make someone a firewall? what kind of firewall?
[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: You'd be amazed how many boxes I had to rebuild for lusers at my last unix consulting job. Far less often here, but still too often
[00:51:00] diamon: I had a guy once who called me almost in tears. He'd formatted his fat32 system to try and get rid of a virus. Well, it sure the hell did, but got his business records on the same drive...
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: More than anything the idea of NOT backing up the machine which has been your bread and butter for years
[00:51:00] diamon: Grey: Hey, so long as they pay, I'm game.
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[00:52:00] diamon: Grey: And for the true problem children, which there's always at least one, I'd cut a bootable CD that had a simple script to eat the HDD partitions, make a max-size one, then DD an image off to the HDD again...
[00:52:00] ** mchou wonders what kind of companies you guys work for that have you build firewalls for them :) **
[00:52:00] GreyFoxx: well, hopefully this will teach them to pay attention from now on. After they have to justify to their boss the fee :)
[00:52:00] diamon: For firewalls or other things that were'nt supposed to ever change, anyway. God help the databases if I'd done that for a web server...
[00:53:00] diamon: Grey: One can hope, I've had a few customers get serios (and stay that way even!) once they'd been hacked good once.
[00:53:00] diamon: serious even.
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: mchou: Well at my last job all we did was unix consulting work of all kinds. custom solutions, software, server setups, whatever
[00:53:00] mchou: I figure most places would just buy a checkpoint firewall appliance or some such thing.
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: At this one I don't care about the firewalls and such. I make recommendations but don';t have to actually deal with thaT STUFF
[00:53:00] diamon: mchou: You'd be amazed.
[00:54:00] diamon: And cisco is not without its own share of distressing bugs...
[00:54:00] diamon: Grey: Hmm, that might be fun.
[00:54:00] GreyFoxx: too bad I wont get the money directly :)
[00:55:00] diamon: I like laying out the hardware, myself. I love configuring, but I make salespeople unhappy, as I always overbuild so they don't have to drop another $500k for a second SAN in no time, etc. Overbuilding a bit early always seems to pan out for me.
[00:55:00] diamon: Grey: So long as the paycheck keeps coming and someone billed those silly people, I'm game for that.
[00:56:00] diamon: mchou: Sorry, missed your earlier question... What do you mean 'what kind of firewall'?
[00:58:00] diamon: Grey: BTW, this might make you lose a bit of hair... Do you work with AIX systems?
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[00:58:00] GreyFoxx: diamon: Not at this job
[00:59:00] diamon: Have you in the past? It's a short story of torment to an AIX oracle cluster.  :)
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: Unfortunately yes, and don't get me started on Oracle
[01:00:00] ** GreyFoxx reverts to being ontopic **
[01:00:00] Esotericisms: what is the service name for xorg/kde?
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[01:01:00] diamon: Basically, 100% CPU usage, with 40–80% of that being hard disk waits for swapping. 8-way CPU setup, 16Gb RAM. They feel if they can run it all the time at 100%, they're getting their money's worth out of it. Arrgh!
[01:01:00] diamon: Insult on injury is the oracle stuff, but eh.
[01:01:00] mchou: diamon: these companies dont bother getting firewall appliances?
[01:01:00] NightBird: ...
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[01:01:00] NightBird: 100% cpu useage with 40–80% of it because of swaps?
[01:02:00] diamon: mchou: Small to mid SOHO's in my experience unless they've had a break-in or got it as a freebie don't usually get a good security appliance. I've seen a 150-system shop using a linksys router.
[01:02:00] diamon: Night: Yep, I/O bound.
[01:02:00] NightBird: ...gah
[01:02:00] GreyFoxx: Man this sucks. I left my laptop power adapter at the office. oh well I got my coding done today I wanted to finish
[01:02:00] NightBird: thats just slightly thrashing there >>
[01:03:00] diamon: Night: but they're getting their money's worth they say!  :P Until the systems get to thrashing, and can't talk anymore. I love when that happens, usually during the 2am backups.  :P
[01:03:00] mchou: diamon: you must work for bottom feeders :)
[01:03:00] NightBird: ..
[01:03:00] diamon: mchou: I wish...
[01:03:00] ** NightBird sighs **
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: Hehe I was in one hardware manufacturors development lab, and their netaccess was through a competitors firewall device because they "couldn't get ours to work" :)
[01:03:00] NightBird: one of the people I work with didn't want to get her printer replaced because she could still get it to work..
[01:04:00] NightBird: now, granted, how she got it to work often times required a slight beating
[01:04:00] diamon: They mis-stated their needs, and then our sales staff (fired now) 'swapped hardware for equivalent components' to save costs. One FC SCSI to the tape library instead of 2, etc.
[01:04:00] NightBird: but she could get it working
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[01:04:00] mchou: ouch!
[01:04:00] diamon: Night: Manual percussive maintenance! A proud tradition!
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[01:05:00] mchou: diamon: why is the sales staff get to make it decisions?
[01:05:00] mchou: IT*
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[01:06:00] diamon: mchou: Yeah. They were wrong, our sales lead was a gimp, the rep for the company wasn't overseeing this stuff like he was supposed to... A comedy of errors which leaves me watching 4x IBM servers with 8xprocs per and 16Gb RAM on SAN FC arrays gasping for breath as they try to do simultaneous "round-robin" oracle 'semi-cluster' handoffs of jobs. One system's at 0% usage, and two others are near-dead, and the last has 40% CPU usag
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[01:07:00] diamon: mchou: Sales wasn't *SUPPOSED* to make those decisions, which is why they now 'pursue other opportunities in the field'...
[01:08:00] mchou: lol.
[01:08:00] adante: like your foot up their ass
[01:08:00] mchou: sounds like mgmt there was not doing their job.
[01:09:00] mchou: like wht would sales staff have budget to procure equipment?
[01:09:00] mchou: why*
[01:09:00] diamon: It raised their percentage a bit, as I understand. I joined up right after this fiasco finished getting provisioned, right as the were figuring out how the 'equivalents' were nothing of the sort. Then it was my job to make it work. There's no way. We're trying to replace some of their hardware, but they seem to allow for 0 downtime, until something crashes, and then they don't mind the 3 days downtime, though they WOULD mind my
[01:10:00] diamon: mchou: Damned if I know. They got told what to buy and turned loose to find the best price, near as I could figure out. The dude this was assigned to apparently decided to get a bit more in his percentage by charging them the same price and slipping in different hardware.
[01:11:00] diamon: In his (moronic) defense, he really seemed to believe the hardware he swapped was equivalent, or acceptable. Of course, I also think he was a total moron and a snake, so who knows.
[01:11:00] mchou: hah. I think the management there ought to be fired, not sales staff it that really was the case :)
[01:12:00] mchou: if*
[01:12:00] mchou: assuming they had an IT person, of course.
[01:13:00] diamon: mchou: Don't remind me. I'm to the bare edge of really considering taking the CEO out for a few beers and having a 'Come to Jesus' talk with him. I think management below him is lying to him about the state of the company. We turn over IT techs almost as fast as a supermarket does.
[01:13:00] mchou: if they didnt mgmt should still be fired.
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[01:14:00] diamon: Sales had no oversight, management didn't check anything, the project lead assumed the sales guy was on thee ball, and the customer WAY understated their needs. By like 30%. Thank goodness for some tweaks we could do, at least it's a usable environment still...
[01:14:00] mchou: diamon: forget about it. If this CEO needs this kind of therapy his company is beyond help.
[01:14:00] diamon: mchou: Nah, I'll try it. I may as well be hung for a wolf as a sheep, you know?
[01:14:00] mchou: CEO is asleep on the wheel.
[01:16:00] diamon: mchou: No, he seems a good sort. When I broke down and asked him directly about a license we desparately needed for a MS Terminal Server system, and had for months, he was surprised we hadn't gotten that, as he'd been told it was 'in process' weeks earlier. 5 days later, there's the license pack.... I think the others are actively lying to him...
[01:16:00] diamon: And he's willing to axe folks when needed, and in person himself, so I gotta give points for that.  :)
[01:16:00] mchou: hah.
[01:17:00] mchou: that's not the CEO's only job requirement.
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[01:17:00] mchou: if that's the case everyone can be CEO :)
[01:17:00] diamon: That's why I think a good sit-down over some beer might get some folks fired and a few changes made, but I need to finish my list of problems and what we can and can't fix in-house... BIG list so far...
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[01:18:00] diamon: mchou: I can't explain the guy over IRC, I'd be typing all day. I think it might work, or at least help, and worst case I get fired having TRIED. At the end of the day, *I* am the only person I must be able to live with, so...
[01:18:00] juski: hi room
[01:18:00] diamon: Um, room?
[01:19:00] juski: ok then hello everybody
[01:19:00] diamon: Oh, I see.
[01:19:00] ** juski hasn't been on IRC for quite a while ;) **
[01:19:00] ** diamon noticed, but decides to just smile and nod... **
[01:20:00] mchou: this is ridiculous.
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[01:21:00] diamon: On the MythTV front, my PVR-150 works nicely now, but darn if I can adjust the volume or find where to adjust the tone (treble or bass). I think I'll need to wait for a new driver though.
[01:21:00] diamon: mchou: What is?
[01:21:00] mchou: $10 worth of electronic components takes $10 to ship.
[01:21:00] mchou: it's like 50 miles away.
[01:21:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[01:21:00] juski: heh. that's the way they make their money
[01:21:00] diamon: So drive there, tell them they're morons, and just pick them up.  :)
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[01:22:00] mchou: no, this is legit electronics distributor.
[01:22:00] diamon: Though one place I used that did that had the same shipping rate up to 1000 items, depending on component bulk...
[01:22:00] mchou: my time is worth more than $10/hr :)
[01:22:00] juski: if they're anything like RS components in the UK...
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[01:22:00] juski: pretty clueless
[01:23:00] diamon: mchou: True, true. I drive like a demon and am still used to Texas miles... 70Mph highway and flat open roads rock if you have a good radar detector.  :)
[01:23:00] riddlebox: is there any way I can shapren my picture on my pvr500? it is kinda fuzzy
[01:23:00] mchou: UPS charges $5 premium for residential. wtf.
[01:23:00] diamon: riddle: What bitrate for the mpeg stream?
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[01:24:00] mchou: UPS is a darn rip-off.
[01:24:00] diamon: mchou: Oh, just tell them to ship it already.  :) They get chased by dogs and stung by bees, I can't argue with an extra $5–10 just to let me avoid traffic...
[01:25:00] mchou: nah, I tell them to use fedEX GND, my account :)
[01:25:00] diamon: Heh, anything that works!
[01:25:00] diamon: riddle: 'lo? If you're still there, I'm running afk a few for a smoke break.
[01:27:00] hadees: is anyone else getting "taking too long to be allowed to read..." on their remote frontend?
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[01:29:00] EL_Whistey: Still nothing from NVidia
[01:29:00] riddlebox: sorry I am watching my niece as well, I am not sure but just watching the live tv and watching stuff I recorded is fuzzy
[01:30:00] mchou: EL_Whistey: what are you referring to?
[01:30:00] juski: riddlebox: I take it that regular TV looks fine (that is, not through your computer)
[01:30:00] riddlebox: yes it does
[01:30:00] EL_Whistey: mchou, my 'Xv causes kernel noise and freezes the machine with 100% X utilization' Nvidia 6600 driver problem
[01:30:00] riddlebox: and there is a blue line ontop of my screen
[01:31:00] mchou: kernel noise? haha!
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[01:31:00] juski: riddlebox: describe 'fuzzy'.. does the picture have wavy lines, or does it look speckly (noisy)
[01:31:00] EL_Whistey: yeah, stuff in /var/log/kern.log, NVRM etc
[01:31:00] EL_Whistey: Noise, because it certainly isn't information.
[01:31:00] riddlebox: the picture it seems like I can see the pixels once in a while, I guess speckly
[01:32:00] juski: riddlebox: the mpeg bitrate is set a little too low for the content you are recording in that case
[01:32:00] hadees: anyone here using a backend and a remote frontend
[01:32:00] riddlebox: even on the output of my tv it would be that way?
[01:32:00] juski: hadees: yes
[01:32:00] hadees: juski, and your using 18.1?
[01:32:00] juski: riddlebox: it's caused by the mpeg encoder on the pvr500
[01:32:00] hadees: juski, have you seen any errors like "taking too long to be allowed to read"
[01:32:00] juski: hadees: yep
[01:33:00] juski: but no to the message
[01:33:00] riddlebox: juski:how can I change it?
[01:34:00] juski: recording & live TV profiles I think, or possibly something in the ivtv config... I'm no expert about ivtv (don't yet own a PVR card)
[01:34:00] juski: hadees: when do you see the message?
[01:34:00] mchou: anyone here happen to use lvm root?
[01:34:00] riddlebox: ok I will check around, so I should raise the bitrate
[01:34:00] hadees: juski, when i try to watch live TV, i am getting alot of like time out errors
[01:35:00] juski: hadees: what's your network like? what speed, is it wireless etc
[01:35:00] hadees: 100mb, i thought of that and removed everything but the errors still crop up
[01:35:00] juski: riddlebox: the bitrate you go for will have to be a compromise between picture quality and disk usage ;)
[01:36:00] riddlebox: well my girlfriend said when I fill this disk, she will buy the next one because she uses it too :)
[01:36:00] hadees: another thing i noticed is i scheduled a recording on the remote frontend and it isn't showing up marked on the program guide however if i click enter on it it does say it is recording
[01:37:00] juski: riddlebox: lucky you!
[01:37:00] juski: hadees: could it be a mysql issue?
[01:38:00] hadees: juski, mabey but how would you figure that out
[01:41:00] juski: hadees: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . read;#136140
[01:43:00] hadees: juski, i set that up
[01:43:00] juski: I remember seeing something like that on my old frontend machine... but I cleaned the directory I was keeping its (diskless) filesystem in, so it's long gone
[01:43:00] juski: hadees: so that post is yours?
[01:43:00] hadees: juski, no
[01:44:00] juski: that message might not even be pointing to the problem
[01:45:00] juski: hadees: is everything fine if you run mythfrontend on the backend machine?
[01:45:00] hadees: juski, seems so
[01:46:00] juski: hmmm
[01:47:00] juski: hadees: anything else that looks like an error on the frontend box?
[01:47:00] hadees: ReadStringList timeout (quick)
[01:48:00] hadees: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION
[01:48:00] hadees: error querying master in ProgramList::FromScheduler
[01:49:00] juski: anything else, hadees?
[01:49:00] hadees: not really
[01:50:00] juski: someone else has had this problem : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . uler;#100925
[01:50:00] hadees: argh this sucks
[01:50:00] juski: no solution there tho
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[01:50:00] djperegrine: yo
[01:50:00] djperegrine: can someone walk me through getting myth to work with directFB ?
[01:51:00] diamon: hadees: Well, while it might not be fun, to save time fixing some freaky errors in Myth I've gone and reformatted entirely and done it again, to make sure I didn't mess anything up the last time around.
[01:52:00] hadees: diamon, well i'm pretty good with mythtv, i don't think reformating would really help
[01:52:00] juski: hadees: it's not likely there's anything else using ports 6543 & 6544 is it?
[01:52:00] hadees: juski, nope
[01:52:00] juski: on the backend I mean..
[01:52:00] hadees: neither
[01:53:00] diamon: hadees: I'm still getting better at it, so I reformat with glee for the greater experience.  :)
[01:53:00] hadees: this is just my first time with a seprate backend and frontend
[01:54:00] hadees: i've used mythtv for like 2 years now
[01:55:00] hadees: on the backend i just got this error, 2005-07–18 18:27:02.377 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping.
[01:55:00] diamon: Ah, I've worked with it seriously for like a month and messed about with it for another two or three.
[01:56:00] fatmatt: I've got a frontend installed on my laptop, works well
[01:56:00] juski: hadees: you using SATA by any chance?
[01:57:00] diamon: You know, now there's an idea... I've got one combined front/backend, can I have more than one frontend to be able to watch videos from a common source? Or would I be better off just exporting the videos I like to a fileserver?
[01:57:00] hadees: juski, nope
[01:57:00] juski: some onboard sata controllers have a nasty habit of hogging bus bandwidth – causes all sorts of headaches
[01:58:00] juski: diamon: you can use as many frontends as you like to watch recordings (network b/w allowing)
[01:58:00] hadees: juski, that http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . uler;#100925 looks exactly what i am having
[01:58:00] diamon: gig-e switch, should be up to it.  :)
[01:59:00] juski: hadees: is your mysql server configured to be a master? (stop me if I'm talking crap)
[01:59:00] diamon: Hmm, I might have to mess about with that, my roommate's getting interested in watching stuff I recorded, but we're on way different schedules.
[01:59:00] hadees: juski, my backend is the master backend
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[01:59:00] juski: part of me is thinking the database is borked a little
[02:00:00] juski: diamon: here in my house I have 2 frontends – one EPIA-M10k and an xbox – both live very happily. I even use my 'doze box to watch recorded shows sometimes
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[02:01:00] ** juski was amazed by mythtv's ability to stream tv over a heavily loaded 100mbit network last weekend **
[02:03:00] diamon: Now that might be a real use I could put an xbox to... Wow, a use for an xbox that I like! No way...
[02:04:00] juski: hadees: if you open http://ip.address.ofthe.backend:6544 what do you get?
[02:08:00] diamon: juski: Hey wow, thanks for mentioning that, that's cool to know.  :)
[02:09:00] juski: diamon: there are 2 ways you can do it on an xbox... 1 with XBMC and some python scripts... the other is by putting linux on the xbox :) thought it was common knowledge by now
[02:09:00] juski: and hadees: what are pings to the backend like from the frontend & vice-versa?
[02:10:00] diamon: juski: I knew it was doable, I just hadn't thought that an appliance like that might be ideal for my roommate to use, and he plays some xbox games as well.
[02:11:00] juski: diamon: oh yeah man. the python scripts aren't too clever for live tv (yet) but for recorded shows they're the business
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[02:12:00] juski: i've got games, XBMC & Linux all living on the HDD :)
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[02:14:00] juski: again, hadees: have a looksee here: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php – scroll down to 'remote frontends'
[02:15:00] juski: this is a quiet channel for so many users being logged in
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[02:18:00] riddlebox: juski:I am not seeing anywhere I can change the bitrate
[02:19:00] juski: hadees: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 20to;#133483
[02:21:00] juski: riddlebox: I think it'll be in the mythtv-setup program under your capture card settings
[02:22:00] diamon: I think I'd go for either method if I could find an XBox cheap enough... I'll take a peek at that. Not having to dedicate a system to it would be best for me, so I think that xbox solution might be the thing.
[02:22:00] riddlebox: I didnt see it
[02:23:00] juski: have fun with that diamon – modding the xbox to run other apps has got a whole lot more er.. 'fun' lately
[02:25:00] juski: it might be under recording profiles then
[02:25:00] juski: also under livetv settings
[02:25:00] juski: <<riddlebox
[02:25:00] hadees: juski, well i just noticed something, the revisions of mythtv are diffrent
[02:25:00] hadees: but thats really a gentoo thing
[02:25:00] hadees: i am installing the r2 on my backend
[02:25:00] riddlebox: I am looking at cpu usage?
[02:26:00] juski: aha!
[02:26:00] hadees: hope it fixes it but i'm not expecting much
[02:26:00] juski: hadees – that should do the trick
[02:26:00] hadees: juski, nah its not that big a deal
[02:26:00] hadees: 18.1-r1 and -r2 are the same
[02:26:00] hadees: just some diffrent ebuilds
[02:26:00] juski: apart from what though, hadees?
[02:26:00] juski: worth a try though!
[02:26:00] hadees: yeah, but it would'nt cause the version problem
[02:27:00] diamon: juski: That's why I'll try and shoot for used, less 'fixes' to it.
[02:27:00] juski: riddlebox: there should be a settings thing for the recording & livetv bitrate
[02:28:00] diamon: juski: Oh, about your 'this is a quiet channel' comment earlier... Yep, sure is. Lots of folk seem to lurk like I do, and chime in when we see something we can help with.  :P
[02:29:00] juski: no pvr500 users who know how to change the bitrate then? ;-)
[02:29:00] NightBird: I'm back
[02:30:00] juski: wb NightBird
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[02:33:00] juski: riddlebox: I think it'll definitely be in the recording profiles setup page
[02:34:00] juski: it's buried somewhere in the mythfrontend menus
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[02:34:00] diamon: juski: A pvr-500 is just a pair of 150's. Let me look at my 150's config.
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[02:35:00] juski: diamon: I knew that ;-) just I'm trying to help with something I've not even done myself lol
[02:35:00] diamon: Utils/setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Recording Profiles -> MPEG-2 Encoders. That's where I set my profiles for recording bitrates.
[02:36:00] juski: yay!
[02:36:00] diamon: Wow, I'm so totally flat-freaking-spoiled on my MythTV system... I just realized.  :)
[02:36:00] juski: knew it'd be in there somewhere. I use DVB so I never play in that area
[02:36:00] juski: what, diamon, in that it works, unlike so many other folk's systems?
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[02:37:00] diamon: For the record, for a mix between space and quality I use 4400 average 6000 max bitrate for normal viewing.
[02:37:00] juski: hell, we don't even get 2000 on UK digital TV!
[02:38:00] diamon: juski: No, most others can get them to work, I help folks here every day with it (giving back to the community and all!), it's just a question of them having supported hardware, half a clue, and the willingness to listen to suggestions.
[02:38:00] diamon: Don't get 2000?
[02:38:00] juski: I call it LEGOVISION
[02:38:00] diamon: Oh wow, no way.
[02:38:00] diamon: That would be awful!
[02:38:00] adante: has anybody tried mpeg4 to mpeg4 transcoding (basically to cut out edited commercials etc) – whenever I try it the resulting video is jittery and seeking is slow and produces corruption (somewhat like missing keyframes)
[02:38:00] juski: or am I doing my sums wrong? it's late ya know
[02:38:00] diamon: I'm doing analog still for now, though an Air2PC order is (slowly) in the works for me.
[02:39:00] juski: 1 hour recording is typically 1GB
[02:39:00] diamon: adante: That'd be like jpegging a jpeg file, the loss rate would be brutal...
[02:40:00] adante: diamon: well i suppose that'd explain it then :] is there any other way I can cut out the commercials to save space?
[02:40:00] juski: yeh adante: to do cutting you have to decode the mpeg4, cut the frames you dont want, then recode it- mpeg doesn't like being re-coded
[02:40:00] diamon: 1gb/hour sounds like 2kbit or so, I'm showing 1.1Gb per 30 mins on my files.
[02:40:00] juski: that's typical – it's sometimes a fair bit less, diamon!
[02:41:00] adante: juski: man, that hurts. anyway i can automate that procedure?
[02:41:00] juski: adante: you really won't wanna be re-coding it, unless you're gonna use multi-pass encoding
[02:41:00] juski: and even then...
[02:41:00] diamon: adante: I really don't know, I've just started doing commercial skips and transcoding... I can say that I capture to a fair bitrate MPEG2 stream for my tv capture then mpeg4 it afterwards (or I try, but it doesn't really seem to do anything) to try and minimize quality loss...
[02:42:00] juski: just buy a 500GB disk and keep everything lol
[02:42:00] juski: (but not a hitachi)
[02:43:00] diamon: adante: I dunno if you're in the USA or not, but CompUSA has an $80USD 200Gb ATA-133 Maxtor HDD, go whack that into a firewire or USB2 enclosure and record to that.  :)
[02:43:00] adante: diamon: that's what I used to do, but I just wanted to optimize it further by cutting out commercials etc
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[02:44:00] juski: commercial cutting isn't something I've tried yet
[02:44:00] diamon: I do wish you could just confirm commercials are placed right and just have it 'clip' the selected frames out and skip recoding, but I don't know if the formats would even allow that.
[02:44:00] ** juski doesn't watch commercial tv much ;) **
[02:44:00] diamon: BTW, anyone know how to re-set the commercial markers if Myth gets confused?
[02:45:00] juski: it's in the editing feature isn't it, diamon?
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[02:45:00] diamon: juski: I love Cops and some tech shows and some Sci-Fi stuff, so I get to try skipping commercials. Usually very nice, but sometimes it messes up.
[02:45:00] Keith: hey guys- i got a q for all of you. mythbrowser-.
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[02:45:00] Keith: im looking at the config
[02:45:00] juski: hi keith
[02:45:00] adante: diamon: the main problem is my broadcasting has a nasty habit of running way overtime (thanks to big brother), so I have a continue-recording-after setting of about 1/2 hour :]
[02:45:00] Keith: it aint working, im looking at the config, but i dont know what to change here
[02:46:00] Keith: hi juski
[02:46:00] diamon: juski: Not sure where it is, I just know it can be re-encoded to remove commercials...
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[02:46:00] Keith: diamon, theres an auto commercial skip?
[02:46:00] diamon: adante: I just take the lost time, and adjust folks I know are always off, like Fox 7, and adjust the channel setting for it.
[02:46:00] juski: keith – I used mythbrowser for a while.. which part of the config?
[02:46:00] adante: juski: i used to turn off auto-transcoding, cut commercials when i watched the and then transcode, which worked fine – problem is i don't have the time to do that anymore :]
[02:47:00] diamon: Keith: Yep, in Setup somewhere. It's not always perfect, so I set the option to Notify on Skip for a bit so I could be sure what it was up to. Seems solid though.
[02:47:00] Keith: all of it juski- i just installed it, and now i want uit to acctually work
[02:47:00] Keith: i dont know where to begin juski
[02:47:00] juski: why do we get commercials on channels we pay for anyway?
[02:47:00] Keith: and diamon- thanks. what do i have to chagne?
[02:47:00] juski: keith: is this on a remote frontend?
[02:48:00] Keith: juski- the entire system is evolving, but the industry is slow as hell and drags its heels kicking and screaming
[02:48:00] diamon: Keith: It's just a checkbox somewhere. Not very obvious, so you'll have to look around a bit.
[02:48:00] Keith: nah- the myhtbox is completely contained
[02:48:00] adante: diamon: yeah, the timing is kind of all over the shop in aus :]
[02:48:00] Keith: back and frontend on same machine
[02:48:00] Keith: will do diamon, thanks
[02:48:00] juski: keith: in that case I have no idea
[02:48:00] Keith: ackness. whys that juski?
[02:48:00] diamon: juski: The real reason? During the worst of the economic downturn in the US, media companies continued to turn a massive profit. I'll give you one guess why...
[02:48:00] diamon: adante: Not cool...
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[02:49:00] juski: I was gonna suggest looking at your resolv.conf n stuff
[02:50:00] juski: my mythtv is synced with ntp... I can set BBC shows to start at the right time.. and see the start of the show titles... but when they're late ... (live 8 was 1.5 hours off!)
[02:50:00] Keith: diamon didnt see it.
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[02:51:00] ** diamon debates how much like a rat-bastard he feels like right now.... **
[02:51:00] Keith: ???
[02:51:00] diamon: Eh, why not, today's my pseudo-christmas, so I'll be nice. Gimme a minute while I frisk my setup for it.
[02:52:00] Keith: oh ok thanks
[02:52:00] Keith: pseudo-christmas?
[02:52:00] diamon: keith: I was debating wether or not to find it for you, but I decided I'd be nice today.  :)
[02:52:00] Keith: i was gonna dig deeper.... i aint lazy :-p
[02:52:00] defaultro: good evening guys
[02:52:00] defaultro: anyone here uses mythgames?
[02:52:00] diamon: Yeah, I finally (after over a decade of trying!) started a usable treatment for my ADD today, and it seems to be working. I'm just busy being appy about it while I make sure there's no side effects.
[02:52:00] Keith: thats next on my list of setting up defaultro
[02:52:00] juski: like me the other week trying to find stuff in menuconfig to enable so I could build my DVB card modules.. rofl
[02:52:00] defaultro: i'm currently doing it now
[02:53:00] defaultro: however, i have one confusion
[02:53:00] defaultro: it's about roms
[02:53:00] Keith: well congrats then diamon
[02:53:00] diamon: defaultro: I set mine up but couldn't get any of my old ROMs to work (no Gauntlet! Arrgh!)
[02:53:00] Keith: whats the q defaultro
[02:53:00] defaultro: are those roms free?
[02:53:00] Keith: yeah
[02:53:00] defaultro: ok
[02:53:00] Keith: well let me state this
[02:53:00] defaultro: where do i find them?
[02:53:00] Keith: roms arent legal
[02:53:00] Keith: but you can get them free, yes.
[02:53:00] defaultro: oh ok
[02:53:00] juski: keith: dead right (of course)
[02:54:00] juski: not all are illegal tho
[02:54:00] Keith: i used to know a good place
[02:54:00] Keith: yeah colceovision (great system) roms are good
[02:54:00] Keith: but nes and snes rosm are completely illegal
[02:54:00] diamon: defaultro: Not really. Many are abandonware and nobody will challenge you on them, some places are actually authorized to sell them (and I lost the URL for a good place), but many are pirated. Since they won't sell them to me in any event, I never feel bad about using pirated ROM's...
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[02:54:00] juski: alt.binaries.games.roms etc
[02:54:00] defaultro: ok
[02:55:00] diamon: I always felt it was repayment for all the cartridges I got for my NES and SNES that lasted about 6 weeks and died, so I had to buy another one...
[02:55:00] Keith: is that a newsgroup or web address?
[02:55:00] defaultro: newsgroup
[02:55:00] Keith: i consider payback for friggin n64
[02:55:00] diamon: juski: SOmeone used to sell DVD's of ROM images, and they were (at a glance) looking fairly legit, but damn if I recall the URL.
[02:55:00] juski: reckon google should show something up
[02:55:00] diamon: Keith: LoL, that too, but I didn't get suckered into the 64.  :)
[02:56:00] Keith: bah... my bro picked it up so figured might as well
[02:56:00] Keith: when a system has 3 damned games
[02:56:00] Keith: 3 games
[02:56:00] Keith: that dont suck so badly that the snes kicked its butt
[02:56:00] Keith: i mean come on
[02:56:00] Keith: defaultro, jsut google for roms
[02:56:00] diamon: juski: ADD, remember ADD.  :) I forget that I wanted to look it up... Anyway, got to search harder for auto-skip and stop typing...
[02:57:00] juski: oh,, **ADD**... I see
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[02:58:00] juski: jeeeez! it's like 2 o clock in the A.M. !
[02:58:00] diamon: Under TV Settings, Playback, it's a few screens in along the top. It's a checkbox.
[02:58:00] pce-matty: juski: and here's me just starting 'work' for the day
[02:58:00] juski: I better hit the hay
[02:59:00] diamon: Keith: TV Settings, under Playback.
[02:59:00] juski: lost count of the no. of hours I help mythtv users in one day – probably more than I watch TV lol
[02:59:00] Keith: thanks
[02:59:00] juski: night all
[02:59:00] Keith: let meg et it now
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[02:59:00] pce-matty: juski; have fun
[02:59:00] juski: cheers
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[02:59:00] diamon: Sometimes it muffs it and skips wrong, but that's fewer than 1 in 30 for me so far, so I like it. And you can still rewind easy enough.
[03:00:00] diamon: juski: That's why usually I try not to look, but I can't help but lurk to keep an eye out.  :)
[03:00:00] diamon: Ah well.
[03:01:00] Keith: 1- whats the stick keys option?
[03:01:00] Keith: 2 – which checkbox is it?
[03:01:00] Keith: smart fast forwarding?
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[03:02:00] Keith: oops
[03:02:00] Keith: back
[03:03:00] pce-matty: wb :)
[03:03:00] pce-matty: hmm.. what tools do i need today – got a metric fuckton of mythbox issues to clear before this system gets shipped off to CEDIA
[03:05:00] pce-matty: i've been contracted to provide a demo of a FLOSS media-centre alternative for CEDIA on the Gold Coast (aussie-land): http://www.cedia.com.au/
[03:06:00] Keith: CEDIA?
[03:06:00] Keith: FLOSS?
[03:06:00] Keith: you're selling mythboxes?
[03:06:00] pce-matty: selling, no... demonstrating that MS Media Center isn't the only game in town
[03:07:00] Keith: go you
[03:07:00] ** Keith applauds the effort **
[03:07:00] pce-matty: CEDIA is a big gathering of home theatre/home automation people – unfortunately, when it comes to computers, they believe there's Microsoft or nothing
[03:07:00] ** pce-matty takes a bow **
[03:07:00] Keith: well we need more people like you hehe
[03:07:00] Keith: my friends xp system just crashed.
[03:07:00] Keith: i saved all his files with installing a dual boot with ubuntu
[03:08:00] Keith: showed him how to do a few thigns, told him how to work it and the dual boot
[03:08:00] Keith: he was impressed, hes giving the ubuntu a try over the windows
[03:08:00] Keith: he loved my mythbox, even if it only does tv stuff right now
[03:08:00] Keith: still working on those plugins.... speaking of which- you ever get mythbrowser to work?
[03:08:00] pce-matty: Keith: tho of course, this is the first step towards pushing the myth/linux platform, and yes (are you logging this, mythbot?), the company i'm contracted by is certainly interested in ploughing money/resources/pizza/amazon vouchers back into the community
[03:09:00] pce-matty: keith: yep, demo'd up mythbrowser last year... only to show that yes, web browsing from your tv with remote still sucks
[03:10:00] pce-matty: i'm actually doing a huge feature-gut on myth as we speak – culled the 69 default myth menu options down to 10 yesterday
[03:10:00] Keith: haha.... well im doing it from wireless keyboard mouse once i get the chance to go buy them.
[03:10:00] Keith: im trying to figure out how to get myth browser to work
[03:10:00] Keith: i got the config file open but no idea where to begin
[03:10:00] Keith: and it just sits there when i open it- no error messages- justa title and a blank blue scren
[03:11:00] Chutt: i'd be surprised if mythbrowser still worked properly
[03:11:00] pce-matty: urgh... what's your base platform? gentoo, fedora, knoppmyth?
[03:12:00] Keith: ubuntu
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[03:12:00] Keith: and why does mythweather work perfectly except radar? grr.
[03:13:00] pce-matty: radar works, but you seem to miss a frame (it pulls like 5 frames, and then a sixth 'map not available frame'?
[03:13:00] Chutt: that was fixed a while ago in cvs/svn
[03:13:00] pce-matty: chutt: indeed it was
[03:13:00] Keith: no as in it just sits there with map not available
[03:13:00] Keith: wheres it pulling the maps from ? i wanna see if the map is actually there.
[03:13:00] Pendejo: when i watch tv on my mythtv, I can only see the upper left part of the image. Anybody an idea?
[03:13:00] pce-matty: chutt: or just attack the mythweather-ui.xml file whatsit
[03:14:00] pce-matty: chutt: it's a one line change
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[03:15:00] Keith: hi xris
[03:15:00] pce-matty: keith: as for unbuntu, i use it for quick prototyping (mock it up quickly with ubuntu, do it properly with gentoo)
[03:15:00] Keith: ok, but how do you get the browser to work?
[03:16:00] pce-matty: keith: *laff* so many prototypes ago :) the mythbox we're sending to CEDIA has been worked on now for 9 months
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[03:16:00] pce-matty: my hat goes off to anybody who has built a feature-complete mythbox as a hobby
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[03:18:00] Chutt: pce-matty, people's definitions of 'feature complete' vary a bit
[03:18:00] hadees: alright so now the problem i am having is that the programing guide on my remote frontend isn't showing recordings that are marked for recording
[03:18:00] hadees: isn't showing tv shows
[03:18:00] Keith: <~ this is a hobby. hehe
[03:18:00] Keith: so hats off to me yay
[03:19:00] Keith: still working on the feature complete though
[03:19:00] hadees: cookies for everyone
[03:19:00] pce-matty: chutt: yah, the defn of feature complete around here is pretty strict
[03:20:00] hadees: pce-matty, around where?
[03:20:00] Keith: do i need to have an apache server running to get myth browser to work?
[03:21:00] ** pce-matty grabs from the scrollback: **
[03:21:00] pce-matty: i've been contracted to provide a demo of a FLOSS media-centre alternative for CEDIA on the Gold Coast (aussie-land): http://www.cedia.com.au/
[03:21:00] pce-matty: keith: nope
[03:22:00] hadees: why are aussies so intrested in mythtv
[03:22:00] pce-matty: keith: quick way of testing mythbrowser is to go to one of your RSS news feeds, hit enter and see if it takes you to the article webpage
[03:22:00] pce-matty: hadees: aussie home hackers, or the actual consumer market?
[03:23:00] pce-matty: hadees: company down in melbourne, d1, cranked out a few mythboxes, but they've been pretty damn silent for a while
[03:23:00] Chutt: d1 keeps updating things
[03:23:00] Chutt: and not sending patches back, of course
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[03:23:00] Keith: pce- havent set up any rss feeds yet
[03:23:00] pce-matty: chutt: i've looked at their work – it's a home hack job
[03:23:00] Chutt: yup
[03:24:00] Keith: mythnews doesnt work as of now, thought id tackle mythbrowser first
[03:24:00] Chutt: 'course, anything they do wouldn't be applicable anymore, since they're using a really old version
[03:24:00] pce-matty: mythnews doesn't work? mythnews is usually a piece of cake
[03:24:00] hadees: Keith, mythnews is useless
[03:24:00] Keith: im out for a little while, thanks for the help
[03:25:00] pce-matty: chutt: yup, stuck back in 0.16 still (though integrating mythburn in 0.16 is a big reason for holding back)
[03:25:00] Keith: pce-matty- gl on your presentation i wanna hear how it goes
[03:25:00] Pendejo: Where do i set the size (dimension) of my tuner output in mythtv
[03:25:00] Pendejo: Mplayer manages the size perfectly well
[03:25:00] pce-matty: keith: thanks
[03:25:00] Chutt: how's mythnews useless?
[03:25:00] Pendejo: but mythtv can't
[03:25:00] Chutt: pce-matty, yeah, but mythburn's busted =)
[03:25:00] Keith: i still gotta do mythbrowser, mythgames, mythburn, gotta test mythdvd, mythnews, mythmusic, mythgallery....
[03:25:00] Keith: oi
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[03:25:00] Keith: lots of work :-D funtimes
[03:28:00] pce-matty: pendejo: it'll all scale properly unless you start specifying different sizes for the mythgui and use override randr resolutions for your playbabck
[03:28:00] pce-matty: pendejo: you haven't been futzing with those settings in Setup/General/Appearance have you?
[03:30:00] hadees: so anyone ever hear about this problem with future tv show recordings are not marked in the program guide? i am not even sure what to search for in the mailing list
[03:30:00] hadees: just searching for Program guide brings to much back
[03:30:00] Pendejo: :) Let me check out
[03:32:00] pce-matty: hadees: can't say as i have – i'm thankful that i don't even have to worry about EPG stuff until next week
[03:32:00] diamon: keith: Mythburn? Can't say I've seen that one. Is that an add-on not normally in the Myth package?
[03:32:00] pce-matty: diamon: check sourceforge
[03:33:00] diamon: hadees: Like they don't show the red A until it becomes the current time?
[03:33:00] pce-matty: diamon: it's targetted at myth 0.16 (i think), and is incorporated into KnoppMyth as standard
[03:33:00] ** pce-matty washes the bad taste of KnoppMyth out of his mouth **
[03:33:00] diamon: Nice! So Mythburn is an addon then.
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[03:34:00] pce-matty: diamon: don't get too excited :) it's not a walk in the park
[03:34:00] Chutt: mythburn wasn't written properly, and the author had no intention of fixing it so it could be included in the real distribution
[03:34:00] Pendejo: No, i haven't been there before (setup/general/appearance). But what I do find strange is mythtv starts up, it mentions a message like (Rescaling images). My resolution is 1280x1024
[03:34:00] diamon: pce-matty: Hmmm... I wish I'd ever learned to program properly to just go and pick up something like this and update it.  :)
[03:35:00] diamon: Chutt: Bummer...
[03:35:00] Chutt: diamon, iirc, mythburn was mainly just a collection of shell scripts
[03:35:00] Chutt: and mythvideo hacked up a bit
[03:35:00] pce-matty: Chutt: though there are people willing to pay to get a real MythBurn plugin back on track
[03:36:00] Chutt: pretty damn lame
[03:36:00] Chutt: i'd rather have people willing to do the work
[03:36:00] diamon: I think I'll skip mythburn for now, it doesn't even have a download link, and the forumit refers to doesn't exist anymore.  :)
[03:36:00] pce-matty: chutt: indeed :)
[03:36:00] diamon: pce: Yeah, I'd chip in for that.
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[03:36:00] pce-matty: i'm lucky, i get paid, and i'm willing to work :)
[03:37:00] pce-matty: *points his webcam at the campbed behind his desk at work*
[03:37:00] diamon: pce: Err, I don't get it...
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[03:37:00] diamon: Bah.
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[03:38:00] ** pce-matty mutters **
[03:39:00] Chutt: why do i always have to fix patches
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: Heh
[03:40:00] Chutt: see, when a patch is bad enough, you know guy that wrote it's not going to be able to fix it :(
[03:41:00] diamon: Chutt: Applying outdated patches maybe?
[03:41:00] Chutt: nope
[03:41:00] ** pce-matty kicks x-chat **
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[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: I've actually enjoyed goofing around with mythgame. Most coding outside of work I've done in a while other than little scripts here and there
[03:42:00] pce-matty: disco
[03:43:00] Chutt: greyfoxx, excellent =)
[03:43:00] Chutt: you decided on a plan for more game info?
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[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: I'm going to add back in the xmame catver support, But for none xmame stuff I think I''m going to either add support for pulling the data out of each romtype, or make a master database/list users can just drop into place and use. I've gone an insanely large archive of them that I can use to make quite a dent in that list :)
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[03:45:00] diamon: Like, a databse of MD5 rom signatures or something?
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: Turns out that the nes.crc support that was in there is quite outdated and wouldn't have worked anymore anyway (xmess changes the files and formats)
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[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: diamon basically a database of crc,goodname,software maker, country, release date, game system type, and I'll add a genre field if anyone wants to fill it in
[03:46:00] pce-matty: my to do list: replace mythmusic, preview window for rip DVD, make a simple config screen
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: I;ve imported 25k ofroms into my test database
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: I've written the start of a php frontend to the database for the moment
[03:47:00] pce-matty: simple config screen will have: audio settings (default or digital) and a few other overrides
[03:47:00] Chutt: heh
[03:47:00] Chutt: replace mythmusic
[03:47:00] pce-matty: chutt: you like that one? :)
[03:47:00] Chutt: yeah, i always get a kick out of that
[03:47:00] diamon: Grey: Nifty!
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: mysql> select count(*) from romdata;
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: +----------+
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: | count(*) |
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: +----------+
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: | 24322 |
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: +----------+
[03:49:00] pce-matty: chutt: for starters, got ivman setup to autorip cds as soon as they're inserted, and Scan for New Music picks them up so myth can see them
[03:49:00] Chutt: that's cool.
[03:49:00] diamon: Makes sense to use the DB, since Myth is surely using one somewhere...
[03:49:00] pce-matty: chutt: yah, it's all in the name of expedience, i've got two days to 'fix' myth
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[03:50:00] Chutt: the ripping stuff in mythmusic's pretty much gone soon, anyway
[03:50:00] diamon: pce: Two days?
[03:50:00] Chutt: it's going into mfd
[03:50:00] pce-matty: chutt: yep don't have time to wait
[03:50:00] diamon: Chutt: mfd?
[03:50:00] pce-matty: diamon: proof of concept box is going to be demo'd this weekend
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[03:51:00] pce-matty: tuesday+wednesday: fix days; thursday+friday: test days
[03:51:00] diamon: pce: Ah, nifty! Who's the POC for? I'm guessing it's not an average end-user...
[03:52:00] DaSkreech: can I have live previews of the shows currently running in the Program Listing?
[03:52:00] diamon: Da: As in, watching something you're currently recording?
[03:52:00] pce-matty: diamon: http://www.cedia.com.au/index.cfm?page=expo
[03:52:00] DaSkreech: No
[03:52:00] xris: Chutt: so is there anything special to do about installing mfd? just run it instead of mythfrontend?
[03:53:00] DaSkreech: As in the program listing has all the shows currently running plus theones about to be run
[03:53:00] GreyFoxx: DaSkreech: You mean like thgis http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/epgvideo.png ?
[03:53:00] pce-matty: diamon: which I guess is half the reason I've jumped on IRC for the first time in *months*... thought i should let someone know i'm taking myth to a real tradeshow
[03:53:00] Chutt: xris, you have to have a current mythfrontend + mythmusic setup first, to init the db
[03:53:00] DaSkreech: can I get a Video preview of the ones that are on now>
[03:53:00] xris: ahh
[03:53:00] Chutt: pce-matty, myth's been shown at lots of tradeshows :p
[03:53:00] xris: so mfd is only really useful for mythmusic?
[03:53:00] Chutt: for now, yeah
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[03:53:00] xris: ok
[03:53:00] Chutt: then you just run 'mfd'
[03:53:00] diamon: pce: That's too darn cool!
[03:53:00] pce-matty: chutt: indeed, and it's made fuckall impact
[03:53:00] pce-matty: sadly :(
[03:54:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[03:54:00] Chutt: can't really compete with mce being free soon enough
[03:54:00] pce-matty: pfft
[03:54:00] Chutt: and everyone and their brother doing pvr stuff
[03:54:00] Chutt: xris, you also need to compile/install mfe
[03:54:00] xris: Chutt: so the frontend still needs to have local access to the music?
[03:54:00] Chutt: and then you can do 'mythfrontend mfe'
[03:54:00] pce-matty: chutt: hardly seems a reason to give up tho, hey?
[03:54:00] Chutt: to run the test program
[03:55:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Yes
[03:55:00] Chutt: which lets you play music on any machine running mfd on your network
[03:55:00] diamon: pce: It's spiff, but it was missing a lot of the ease-of-use stuff that Tivo had, and the hardware cost more than Tivo. I think it's getting to a good point now myself. I've been showing mine off to friends. They're tempted, but most folks who wanted one already have a Tivo or ReplayTV...
[03:55:00] DaSkreech: But possibly with multiple Chans?
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: DaSkreech: I don't think I had to do anything to enable that
[03:55:00] Chutt: there's also a really simple http interface direct from mfd, on port....
[03:55:00] Chutt: uhm.
[03:55:00] pce-matty: diamon: in australia, there is no TiVo or ReplayTV :)
[03:55:00] xris: Chutt: ahh, cool
[03:55:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: So maybe three channels at the same time?
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: No
[03:55:00] Chutt: http://localhost:2345/
[03:55:00] Chutt: i _think_
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: In the EPG it will only show the one
[03:56:00] diamon: Aha, I missed where it was! That's niftier yet!
[03:56:00] Chutt: once mfd's running
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: In the regular window you can do pip to see two
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: but that's about it
[03:56:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Or a listing of your favourite channels
[03:56:00] DaSkreech: Though I guess shows would be more reasonable
[03:56:00] mchou: Chutt: what did you mean by this? [18:54:11] <Chutt> can't really compete with mce being free soon enough
[03:56:00] |rt|: i have a tivo....series 1 but it's died twice due to hardware failures
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[03:57:00] pce-matty: diamon: all we've got is MCE, which is spectacularly bad at handling australia's hardcore HDTV standards, and cable products such as Foxtel's little box that allows FF/RW of live tv and recordings that auto-expire after two weeks
[03:57:00] |rt|: i got fed up with the closed system...myth makes more sense for the long term in my opinion
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[03:57:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Does it require Multiple Tuners to have multiple previews?
[03:57:00] |rt|: much easier to fix something if it breaks
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: dant: Of course
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: DaSkreech: of course
[03:57:00] DaSkreech: Ah
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: A tuner can only tuner into one channela t a time
[03:57:00] mchou: |rt|: tivo died? what happened?
[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: Damn I hate this keyboard
[03:58:00] |rt|: mchou: hd died 2 times
[03:58:00] |rt|: mchou: it gets a green screen of death...not pretty
[03:58:00] mchou: |rt|: hard disk?
[03:58:00] DaSkreech: Get the Optimus keyboard :-)
[03:59:00] pce-matty: hey, what's the state of the win32 mythfrontend these days?
[03:59:00] Chutt: dead
[03:59:00] Chutt: as it has been ever since it started =)
[03:59:00] diamon: rt: They (series 1's) do seem to run hot. I modded one to have an extra fan for a friend, and he stopped losing so many HDD's.
[03:59:00] |rt|: mchou: yeah it starts with weird green macro blocking (mpeg artifacts)
[03:59:00] mchou: |rt|: are tivos warrantied?
[03:59:00] GreyFoxx: That key board looks pretty nifty
[03:59:00] ** DaSkreech tries to think about cycling through chans and making preview movies **
[03:59:00] |rt|: mchou: then it will start to randomly reboot
[03:59:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: The optimus?
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[04:00:00] diamon: Da: Yeah, that's a badass keyboard. I wonder what it'll cost. I might have to get one regardless though.  :) Too much fun stuff you can do wit it, I'd say.
[04:00:00] mchou: DaSkreech: link pls?
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
[04:00:00] |rt|: mchou: then evenutally it will get stuck in this constant reboot cycle where it says do not touch or power down while tivo attempts to repair itself
[04:00:00] |rt|: mchou: then it reboots and gets back to that same screen
[04:01:00] diamon: rt: BTW, Spinrite can now work with Tivo HDD's if you're feeling that frisky...
[04:01:00] |rt|: mchou: at that point you're sol...you have to either have a drive image floating around or have to buy a new hd with the tivo OS and such preloaded
[04:01:00] |rt|: and i've already gone down the road of replacing the hd once
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[04:01:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Since they are just previews can't it cycle through the chans and mkae like 10 -15 second previews?
[04:01:00] |rt|: so this 2nd time i let it die
[04:02:00] NightBird: ...
[04:02:00] |rt|: in my opinion tivo has it's positive points but myth also has it's own strengths
[04:02:00] DaSkreech: With some option set as to a pause time before it shows them etc
[04:02:00] abarbaccia: i think myth pwnes tivo – and yes thats with a P W N
[04:03:00] DaSkreech: |rt|: LIke Free and hard to setup? :)
[04:03:00] mchou: haha....
[04:03:00] diamon: rt: Yes, I rather like Myth. My sister's jealous that my 'tivo' can play DVD's and music as well.  :)
[04:03:00] DaSkreech: |rt|: So you can feel like a manly man when you are gloating over it working :)
[04:03:00] GreyFoxx: DaSkreech: honestly I can't see that being all that useful,plus you can to add in the inherent couple seconds of delay when switching channels
[04:03:00] mchou: lol.
[04:03:00] |rt|: DaSkreech: well i'll agree with the free part
[04:03:00] diamon: Da: Actually, once I got half a clue with Myth, it proved to be far easier than I thought to set up with FC3 and a PVR-150 card.
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[04:03:00] mchou: myth wasnt that hard to set up.
[04:03:00] pce-matty: mchou: *giggle* :)
[04:04:00] DaSkreech: mchou: Compared to Tivo?
[04:04:00] diamon: Initially it was, I had to research options, and figure out my own IVTV audio ROM problem, but it works nice now.
[04:04:00] mchou: no, not compared to tivo. but there is free and commercial :)
[04:04:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Ok I was just wondering It would have been a very sweet feature to have
[04:05:00] abarbaccia: DaSkreech, nobodys stopping you from adding it in ; )
[04:05:00] diamon: DaSkreech: Can't really compare that. It's like saying a normal Honda is easier to first drive than a kit car. Well, duh....
[04:05:00] jonK: free is an interesting word choice
[04:05:00] |rt|: also DaSkreech I don't need mythtv to feel manly
[04:05:00] jonK: I've spent far more on the mythtv box then the tivo costs
[04:05:00] |rt|: :)
[04:05:00] mchou: jonK: why you say that?
[04:05:00] |rt|: tivo is cheaper...but long haul i think myth is cheaper
[04:06:00] diamon: JonK: Same here, but mine part-times as a Neverwinter Nights server too.  :)
[04:06:00] diamon: Let's see a Tivo do *that*!
[04:06:00] jonK: try adding 4 tuner cards, and it will take years of the 13.95 charge
[04:06:00] mchou: hehe
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: jonK, but think of how cool you are in this chatroom
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: lol
[04:06:00] diamon: jonK: Do Tivos come with 4 tuners? I thought 2 max.
[04:06:00] mchou: nobody said you had to get 4 tuners :)
[04:06:00] abarbaccia: well worth the cost
[04:06:00] jonK: i dont think a tivo even has 2
[04:06:00] |rt|: some tivo's have two
[04:07:00] abarbaccia: jonK, they have dual tuner
[04:07:00] jonK: i know my series 1 tivo does not
[04:07:00] mchou: these days they do.
[04:07:00] |rt|: the ones in DirectTV had 2 tuners
[04:07:00] diamon: I think the newest ones have two, or thought I heard that. Doesn't matter, I have Myth, not Tivo, and I'm a happy kinda guy.
[04:07:00] jonK: these days they encrypt the video streams as well
[04:07:00] DaSkreech: Ah thats how they did it
[04:07:00] jonK: and I still think tivo has the best freaking remote I've ever used
[04:07:00] jonK: for anything
[04:07:00] jonK: period
[04:07:00] abarbaccia: the problem with tivo is that it is a vcr without an eject button – your recordings are stuck
[04:07:00] diamon: Yeah, I wish someone could come up with a decoder program that actually could read my Cable card to be 'legal'...
[04:07:00] |rt|: jon yeah i agree...very nice remote
[04:07:00] mchou: jonK: so no more rips to net or disk?
[04:08:00] jonK: not for series 2 tivos
[04:08:00] |rt|: jonK: but you can get the harmony to control myth
[04:08:00] jonK: for series 1 you can pull content
[04:08:00] jonK: tystudio
[04:08:00] mchou: screw the harmony.
[04:08:00] jonK: can I get the tivo remote to control lirc
[04:08:00] jonK: (bettter question)
[04:08:00] |rt|: jonK: oh...that's a good idea
[04:08:00] abarbaccia: jonK, test it out – run irw and see if you get some hex signals from the remote
[04:08:00] mchou: I aint paying >$50 for some darn remote.
[04:08:00] jonK: also I still want to see how well the ipaq pda remote features work
[04:08:00] abarbaccia: jonK, if you do, then its just the matter of a new config file
[04:08:00] DaSkreech: Oh One question about XML-TV
[04:08:00] diamon: jonk: With a universal IR reciever, I can't see why it wouldn't work. I know the reciever that came with my PVR-150 sees my regular TV remote as well.
[04:09:00] DaSkreech: Which of course leads to more questions :-)
[04:09:00] DaSkreech: Is it a service or a toolset?
[04:09:00] jonK: I've seen posts about it working, but have been unable to get a working lirc file
[04:09:00] mchou: jonK: bah tactile remotes are always preferred.
[04:09:00] jonK: you're saying you like to hold it in your hands, mchou?
[04:09:00] abarbaccia: jonK, make your own config file – it can't take more than 20 minutes
[04:09:00] mchou: that way you dont have to look down to find the right button.
[04:09:00] jonK: I'm still in my office, do you think I have 20 minutes!??!!
[04:09:00] |rt|: mchou: good remotes are worth their weight in gold
[04:09:00] diamon: If it does IR, most IR stuff uses the one standard emitter freq, so most recievers see most remotes, that's why there's so many codes.
[04:10:00] DaSkreech: I'm looking to get TV listings for a island country
[04:10:00] Pendejo: Very Strange. The resolution set by ivtvctl is 720x576. My screen resolution is 800x600. When I watch TV with Mythtv, the picture is to big and only a part is shown. When I look at messages i can find following message: Decoder set size 480x480 (from 720x576) --> scale 524288x65434
[04:10:00] diamon: I had a VCR remote that fastforwarding used to turn off my TV. Very confusing, that.
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[04:10:00] |rt|: i have a niveus now for my myth but if i had to do it over i would have just gotten a ir reciever
[04:10:00] mchou: jonK: you are on irc, that means you got 20 minutes :)
[04:10:00] Pendejo: Is it just me, or do thes scale settings seem strange?
[04:10:00] |rt|: and used my existing remote
[04:10:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, do you have a pvr-150 or pvr-500?
[04:10:00] jonK: yes, and I've wasted it on you people
[04:10:00] mchou: jonK: exactly!
[04:10:00] diamon: Pendejo: That is rather odd... THat's PAL I assume?
[04:10:00] jonK: sad really.... I could have been configuring lirc
[04:10:00] jonK: (if i was home, anyway)
[04:10:00] DaSkreech: Do I do them manually? or can I get my stations to upload the content to a server?
[04:11:00] |rt|: jonK: that's what ssh is for
[04:11:00] diamon: Pendejo: Very strange.
[04:11:00] mchou: jonK: could have used ssh :)
[04:11:00] jonK: how you think I'm on irc :)
[04:11:00] |rt|: then that's what screen is for
[04:11:00] Pendejo: pvr 150
[04:11:00] mchou: jonK: i dunno :)
[04:11:00] Pendejo: yes it's pal
[04:11:00] diamon: mchou: LoL, that's how I programmed all my remotes... Playing a game on my main system, with an SSH window open and me hitting a button now and again and deciding what to assign it to.  :)
[04:11:00] Pendejo: abarbaccia, any ideas?
[04:12:00] jonK: think I could make the xbox controllers control mythtv?
[04:12:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, do you not see the rightmost 1/3 of the screen?
[04:12:00] diamon: Ok, good to know the standards you have to work with. Let me see what mine says, it's a 150 as well.
[04:12:00] mchou: Chutt: what did you mean by this earlier? [18:54:11] <Chutt> can't really compete with mce being free soon enough
[04:12:00] pce-matty: alrighty, coffee and a fag time
[04:12:00] diamon: jonk: SOunds like a nice project for a weekend!  :) Though honestly, anything MS has always given me crap working with anything non-MS. The story of my life there...
[04:13:00] Pendejo: yep
[04:13:00] diamon: pce: Good idea, but I'll skip the coffee.
[04:13:00] jonK: quit!
[04:13:00] GreyFoxx: jonK: Well there is somesort of support for using joysticks to navigate the menus, so maybe
[04:13:00] Pendejo: abarbaccia: i only see the upper left side of the screen
[04:13:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, very simple – go into the settings where you choose the resolution or size of your recording profiles – you need to make them your native tv resolution
[04:13:00] pce-matty: jonk: i'll quit after CEDIA... mythtv(tm): it's bad for your lungs
[04:13:00] jonK: but does the cordless controllers do ir?
[04:13:00] mchou: yeah, a gamepad for remote is awesome! :)
[04:13:00] diamon: Pendejo: From my dmesg 'cx25840: Decoder set size 720x480 (from 720x487) -> scale 0x65529, filter 0', though I use NTSC.
[04:13:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, the problem exists that the newer pvr chipsets dont have scaling functions in linux ivtv drivers
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[04:14:00] jonK: I quit 5 years ago, the farther i get away, the less I understand why I ever started
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[04:14:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, thats my best guess
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[04:14:00] Pendejo: ok, thanx. I'll try
[04:14:00] jonK: and the more I wonder why the hell anyone ever smokes
[04:14:00] GreyFoxx: 1
[04:14:00] mchou: jonK: quit what, smoking?
[04:14:00] diamon: abar: Happen to know if that's a 'just not in yet' thing, or a 'totally missing from the chipset thing'?
[04:14:00] pce-matty: jonk: easiest fix: use an IR keyboard and a trainable universal remote – press a key on the keyboard, have the remote 'learn' that keypress, rinse+and+repeat
[04:14:00] jonK: yes, but I'm glad to say the binge drinking still goes on1
[04:14:00] jonK: !
[04:14:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Tomorrow
[04:14:00] jonK: I don't want a fix! I want my tivo remote
[04:14:00] DaSkreech: GreyFoxx: Let me know if you get an Optimus :-)
[04:14:00] pce-matty: jonk: end result: your standard remote works AS A KEYBOARD, therefore: no LIRC
[04:15:00] diamon: jonk: I want to quit, I just don't want to inflict the bastard I know I am on others as I do so.
[04:15:00] jonK: actaully, I have a working hauppauge and a working snapstream
[04:15:00] mchou: how much are cigarrettes these days anyway? $5/pack, no?
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[04:15:00] jonK: I was pushing upwards of 2/day when i quit
[04:15:00] pce-matty: mchou: $7.47 (AUS) – winfield red (16mg) 20 pack
[04:15:00] diamon: FL, USA I'm paying $3.50 USD per pack by the carton.
[04:15:00] mchou: I'm you'd have to be quite well off to smoke :)
[04:16:00] jonK: it was actually the realization that if I was BUYING two packs of cigarettes a day....
[04:16:00] mchou: mean*
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[04:16:00] diamon: $4.25 in single packs.
[04:16:00] jonK: I must actually be SMOKING two packs a day
[04:16:00] diamon: jonK: I don't care that I buy them, I care that a badass monkey with an attitude and the ability to make me a bastard has been hiding on my back for over a decade...
[04:16:00] |rt|: glad to day i don't smoke
[04:16:00] defaultro: hi mchou
[04:16:00] jonK: but in fairness, I'd walk around the house light a cigarette, leave it somewhere and light another one, go out back, light another one...
[04:16:00] |rt|: day = say
[04:16:00] |rt|: :)
[04:16:00] mchou: $10/day==~$3650/yr :)
[04:17:00] defaultro: are snes rom's extension in .smc format?
[04:17:00] abarbaccia: mchou, 3650 / year = sick mythtv box
[04:17:00] pce-matty: mchou: argh! :)
[04:17:00] mchou: never mind cancer medical bills later
[04:17:00] diamon: I'm stable at 1 pack/day, so it's not too awful.
[04:17:00] jonK: diamon
[04:17:00] |rt|: that's a nice 5–10% tax on your salary :)
[04:17:00] jonK: ?!?!?!
[04:17:00] adante: and curse those leap years :s
[04:17:00] mchou: |rt|: maybe for you :)
[04:17:00] diamon: rt: A bit less, but yep, it's a noticable chunk of change.
[04:18:00] jonK: only if you make < 36500 per year
[04:18:00] |rt|: yeah it's a little less than 5 for me as well
[04:18:00] |rt|: but still a nice hunk of money
[04:18:00] diamon: On average, my lunch runs $5–6/day, so with smokes it's 1.5–1.75 lunches per day, and less good for me than an extra lunch too...
[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Usually zip,smc,sfc,fig,swc
[04:18:00] |rt|: that could be a few extra horses for my car :)
[04:18:00] jonK: yes, smoking is better than lunch....
[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: though I
[04:19:00] diamon: jonk: Bah, I prefer lunch.
[04:19:00] diamon: And a smoke after lunch.  :)
[04:19:00] GreyFoxx: though I've seen one or two others over the years
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[04:20:00] mchou: ohoh. here comes raid man.
[04:20:00] diamon: Oh no... I've been good....
[04:20:00] mchou: haha!
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: Setting up mythgame ?
[04:20:00] therealgalen: oh oh should be get started again????
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[04:21:00] mchou: hi defaultro
[04:21:00] mchou: sorry :)
[04:21:00] diamon: I won't be able to help you, I've declared myself annexed in the name of the Queen of England, sub-leased out to Botswana, with no option for RAID...  :)
[04:21:00] mchou: therealgalen: how much useless junk you buying this time round? :)
[04:22:00] Pendejo: abarbaccia: sorry, I thought I had it, but I must have missed something. Where do I have to change the resolution of my recording profile? (through mythtv frontend? or ivtvctl?)
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[04:22:00] diamon: Unless it's SCSI, since that's real hardware.
[04:22:00] therealgalen: diamon: Oh, I pity you. I hope your hard drive does not crash while you're annexed out without raid support...
[04:22:00] abarbaccia: Pendejo, through the frontend of mythtv – there should be like high low livetv and default?  — something like that
[04:22:00] mchou: haha!!
[04:22:00] GreyFoxx: Pendejo: Mythfrontend Settings
[04:23:00] abarbaccia: anybody know what debian/ubuntu repos have the transcode / xvid stuff included in them and / or what packages i need to get mythdvd transcoding
[04:23:00] diamon: Pendejo: The PVR-150 isn't doing hardware scaling of images yet (in the stable branch at least), so you may need to do max-size captures.
[04:23:00] mchou: diamon: huh????
[04:23:00] therealgalen: I know it's beyond belief for mchou that somebody would not want a "nice" graphics card but cares deeply about the integrity of his data...
[04:23:00] mchou: it scales for me just fine.
[04:23:00] Pendejo: ok, but how about watchinig live tv? or is that the same?
[04:23:00] diamon: thereal: No no, you misunderstand. My systems use SCSI raid, or soft-mirroring, so they're safe, especially since I got a special dispensation from Botswana to leave them sovereign.
[04:24:00] mchou: therealgalen: lol. the sad fact is you dont even know what data is important and what is not.
[04:24:00] therealgalen: diamon: lol...
[04:24:00] diamon: Pendejo: Same. Max rez everywhere or you capture only a portion. Makes a helluva clean zoom feature though, so long as you only want to zoom to the upper left...
[04:24:00] abarbaccia: diamon, zoom lol – nice "feature"
[04:25:00] Pendejo: :>
[04:25:00] diamon: abar: Hey, I get the driver for free, I won't argue... I do wish there was some way to donate to project pools... The one set of folks who tried that didn't do so hot.
[04:25:00] ** GreyFoxx notices that the Indepth game scan on one of his boxes isn't working properly and grumps at the coder **
[04:25:00] abarbaccia: diamon, there is no prv-150 "stable" branch yet – they are all unstable – stable ends iwth 0.2
[04:25:00] diamon: abar: 0.2 had pvr-150/500 support backported to it.
[04:26:00] abarbaccia: diamon, really?
[04:26:00] therealgalen: if you want to talk about spending money on useless stuff, talk to diamon with his SCSI RAID :)
[04:26:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[04:26:00] |rt|: i was thinking about getting a 150 as a 2nd tuner
[04:26:00] abarbaccia: son of a gun – when did they do this
[04:26:00] diamon: I'm sure of it, as my log reports the version of ivtv as 'ivtv: version 0.2.0 (rc3j) loading'
[04:26:00] mchou: diamon: backported is a relative term.
[04:26:00] abarbaccia: sweet
[04:26:00] diamon: mchou: I'll take what I can get.  :)
[04:26:00] |rt|: if you have digital cable can you tell mythtv what channels each tuner can see?
[04:26:00] diamon: thereal: Useless what?
[04:26:00] ** pce-matty is back – that was a good cigarett **
[04:26:00] |rt|: and if so does it auto work out schedule conflicts if it can
[04:27:00] mchou: diamon: more evidence therealgalen is off his rocker :)
[04:27:00] diamon: pce: Did better than me, I'm still trying to wrong some rights and stuff like that, didn't even get to smoke yet.  :P
[04:27:00] diamon: mchou: Or terribly confused, could be that....
[04:28:00] therealgalen: I think it's about time to leave...
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[04:28:00] diamon: rt: I think so, and you can assign preference levels to tuners, to prefer one recording source over another. I need a new motherboard with more PCI slots to put more tuners in before I can really test that, sadly.
[04:29:00] mchou: sigh, some people just cant stand a ribbing :)
[04:29:00] diamon: mchou: Wow, I think he's not feeling gruntled here...
[04:29:00] mchou: hehe :)
[04:29:00] diamon: You even had a smiley there, how could he miss that?!
[04:29:00] Pendejo: thanx everybody. I found it. Now on to the next problem
[04:30:00] diamon: Pendejo: Yay!
[04:30:00] mchou: ok, I havent eabyed in about 5 years.
[04:30:00] mchou: ebayed*
[04:31:00] diamon: Wow... Charming 'random word topic chosen for spam' of the day goes to, "Software 3000 brownish". Ugh!
[04:31:00] mchou: what's ebay charge these days including paypal for sellers?
[04:32:00] diamon: Not sure, I think it's still a few %, down to like $3 or something.
[04:32:00] diamon: It's in their docs for sure.
[04:32:00] mchou: I thought it was more than that. :)
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[04:32:00] pce-matty: diamon: warning for multiple tuners + 2.6.12 kernel – expect IRQ issues
[04:32:00] mchou: pce-matty: huh???
[04:32:00] mchou: I have mutiple tuners on that kernel.
[04:33:00] pce-matty: mchou: so do i :)
[04:33:00] mchou: multiple*
[04:33:00] diamon: pce: I can't see why, that's usually a crappy motherboard. Which, I usually disable the serial and parallel to free up more IRQ's too.
[04:33:00] mchou: I have no issues with irq or anything else.
[04:33:00] diamon: Some motherboards share out IRQ's between PCI slots, maybe yours is doing that, or polling the ACPI dat awrong.
[04:33:00] mchou: I dont think that's a kernel issue at all.
[04:34:00] diamon: mchou: I bet hardware, myself. Bios, specifically.
[04:34:00] pce-matty: mchou: it's a known issue
[04:34:00] diamon: pce: Got a URL?
[04:34:00] mchou: lol. known by whom?
[04:34:00] ** pce-matty rolls his eyes **
[04:35:00] pce-matty: 'kay, 'kay, i'll prove it if you want :) but it's not a huge issue, it's workable
[04:35:00] mchou: just give us the link man.
[04:35:00] Pendejo: bye
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[04:35:00] diamon: pce: We seek knowledge!  :)
[04:36:00] mchou: we wanna make sure it's not Rove :)
[04:37:00] diamon: Rove?
[04:37:00] mchou: pce-matty: you off to jail to see Judy Miller? :)
[04:37:00] mchou: Karl Rove.
[04:37:00] bannerboy: I'm having mythtranscoder problems:
[04:37:00] bannerboy: bash-2.05b$ mythtranscode -i $videofile -p autodetect --fifodir .
[04:37:00] bannerboy: failed to open file '1000_20050709000000_20050709000100.nuv' errcode: -6
[04:37:00] ** mchou still waiting for the link...... **
[04:38:00] bannerboy: $videofile contains:1000_20050709000000_20050709000100.nuv
[04:38:00] diamon: mchou: Ah, I missed that, subtle and I don't really happen.  :)
[04:38:00] pce-matty: oh ffs :) google: 2.6.12 irq problem
[04:39:00] pce-matty: you'll get changelog notes amongst your search results there
[04:39:00] pce-matty: diamon/mchou: all the hardware combos i work with here are run up under XP first
[04:39:00] mchou: lol
[04:39:00] mchou: that's hardly a fair test :)
[04:40:00] diamon: I see references to Via chipsets with IRQ routing problems using I/O-APIC for UP...
[04:40:00] mchou: exactly. HW.
[04:40:00] mchou: not a kernel issue.
[04:40:00] diamon: Especially if using UHCI drivers as well...
[04:40:00] mchou: more like workarounds for bad HARDWARE.
[04:40:00] diamon: mchou: Yah, or maybe an IO-APIC programming problem, I don't recall seeing this much until recently.
[04:41:00] ** bannerboy needs help with his problem **
[04:41:00] mchou: so turn of apic.
[04:41:00] mchou: big dealio :)
[04:41:00] diamon: Sadly, VIA has been slipping way down in my list of allowed hardware... It's not off the list, but it's dangling at the bottom, holding on for dear life... Only the fact that their MVP3C chipset was so cool keeps them there...  :)
[04:42:00] mchou: huh???
[04:42:00] mchou: that's ancient.
[04:42:00] mchou: plus it had problems too.
[04:43:00] diamon: bannerboy: mchou: It's the golden glow of 'Never Was', basically... It was good compared to the crap I was forced to use back then, and aside from the IDE IRQ bug (oho, look there!) it was nicely solid.
[04:43:00] mchou: In fact kernel comes up "Enabling Via Bug Workaounds" or words to that effect on MVP3C
[04:43:00] diamon: Errgh, combo header there...
[04:44:00] diamon: bannerboy: I can't even find combos and portions of that error in Google, which means it's really odd. Did it ever work?
[04:44:00] diamon: mchou: Yep, that was the chipset...
[04:44:00] bannerboy: daimon: I have yet to get mythtranscoder to work properly
[04:44:00] diamon: bannerboy: Does the rest of myth work?
[04:44:00] mchou: diamon: I still have one of those mobos :)
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[04:45:00] mchou: and k6–2 350
[04:45:00] mchou: hehe
[04:45:00] bannerboy: diamon: yes
[04:45:00] diamon: mchou: Same here, and it still works just as crappy as day one.  :) K6–3 350 here, I got boned on that buy.  :P
[04:45:00] mchou: K6–3 350??? Is there even such a thing?
[04:46:00] diamon: Big L3 cache was a nice idea, but 100Mhz FSB was no good...
[04:46:00] dant: model name  : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor cpu MHz  : 300.689
[04:46:00] diamon: mchou: Yeah, and a 400, but they were a bit dodgy and didn't last long in the market.
[04:46:00] mchou: I need to see that on ebay too :)
[04:46:00] mchou: sell*
[04:46:00] mchou: too much HW here.
[04:47:00] dant: model name  : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
[04:47:00] dant: cpu MHz  : 501.142
[04:47:00] diamon: mchou: You know, I should do that, or a mass lot of my older stuff...
[04:47:00] diamon: K6–2's went to 550 I think, but the K6–3 stopped at 400.
[04:47:00] diamon: MAYBE there's an eng sample or two kicking about for 450's, I used to have one until it released its magic smoke one day.
[04:47:00] mchou: dant: nice :)
[04:48:00] Randall64: K6–2 had 3dnow?
[04:48:00] diamon: Yerp.
[04:48:00] diamon: First of the line to implement it as I recall.
[04:48:00] Randall64: oh yeah, k6–3 had L3
[04:48:00] Randall64: That sure saved it.
[04:49:00] diamon: And they took the lessons learned there, and from the Celeron/Celeron A debacle and put that knowledge into their new Athlon slot CPU.  :)
[04:49:00] mchou: haha!
[04:49:00] diamon: Randall: Well, the L3 was the cache your motherboard had, the CPU had L1 and L2.
[04:49:00] Randall64: They also bought a lot of that knowledge from DEC.
[04:49:00] diamon: Randall: True, I forgot about that.
[04:49:00] Randall64: We must not forget DEC.
[04:49:00] diamon: That whole, what, Evo bus? I forget.
[04:50:00] Randall64: Well, they rebadged the EV6 bus.
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[04:50:00] diamon: bannerboy: You know, I can't for the life of me think why you'd get that error. Can you run mythtranscode manually and see if it bombs still? Maybe a library somewhere is broken or missing...
[04:51:00] diamon: Randall: EV6 that's it!
[04:51:00] Randall64: EV6 was IT, baby
[04:51:00] Randall64: I'm waiting to pick up a dual when they get cheap.
[04:51:00] diamon: Yeah, I was excited by it, but they never did do the SMP stuff much until recently.
[04:51:00] Randall64: DEC did :)
[04:51:00] diamon: I'll pick up a dual when they drop below the 'pain' level of prices.  :)
[04:52:00] bannerboy: diamon: I'm running it manually
[04:52:00] diamon: Randall: Yep, nice systems, crappy marketing.
[04:52:00] mchou: diamon: like <$300?
[04:52:00] diamon: bannerboy: So it's the same error as from Myth then, or is that something not normally operated from myth?
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[04:53:00] diamon: mchou: Depends how much my bills are that week and if I have to do dental work or not, I could go as far as $400USD maybe.
[04:53:00] bannerboy: diamon: mythfrontend will open and play the file without any problems, but mythtranscoder doesn't like it.
[04:53:00] diamon: mchou: I haven't tried looking yet, I'd hate to be able to afford one.  :)
[04:53:00] diamon: banner: can you transcode any of the other files?
[04:54:00] diamon: mchou: I'm a bit hardware-crazy... A girlfriend once said, 'Well at least you don't get traffic tickets showing off your newest 'hot-rod' changes...'.  :) She was cool.
[04:55:00] ** pce-matty is back **
[04:55:00] diamon: And then she pulled a knife on me one day. That was the day I knew the magic was gone...  :P
[04:57:00] pce-matty: joy: rips are completing successfully again, but pulling the wrong damn audio track
[04:57:00] pce-matty: Run Lola Run is a great test dvd :)
[04:57:00] bannerboy: diamon: I'll get back to you on that
[04:57:00] diamon: pce: SOunds like an improvement overall though.
[04:58:00] diamon: banner: Works for me, I'm gonna grab a soda and wander a bit. My poor hiney's getting seat-shaped.
[04:58:00] Keith: back
[04:58:00] Keith: hey there diamon, pce
[04:58:00] Keith: still there?
[04:58:00] pce-matty: diamon: nope, never really had a problem with ripping... most cd/dvd probs i've had have related to HAL/DBUS/ivman funky-ness
[04:59:00] Keith: im abotu to test mythdvd
[04:59:00] pce-matty: diamon: ie: i'm a dumbass coz i can't setup automounting properly
[04:59:00] diamon: pce: Ah, I've never used automounting, actually.  :)
[04:59:00] Keith: actually crap guys- ill brb cause i gotta mod something in the x.config file and make it output to svideo. ill be back in a bit.
[04:59:00] Chutt: wow, dvb subs look crappy
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[04:59:00] pce-matty: diamon: just like I'm a dumbass coz i can't setup my xorg.conf to only overide res's when autodetection fails :)
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[04:59:00] diamon: Keith: I'll be here-ish, gotta wnder a bit, my poor behind's thinking about rebellion...
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[05:00:00] bannerboy: sorry, opera crashed
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[05:00:00] mchou: oooh, dvb subs work now?
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[05:01:00] Chutt: not for you, of course.
[05:03:00] bannerboy: diamon: I tried another one, same story. :(
[05:04:00] diamon: You might need to run it in a debugger (GDB? I can't recall) to see what it's up to there.
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[05:09:00] bannerboy: diamon: How?
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[05:09:00] Keith: hey now brown cow- heres a problem for you guys
[05:10:00] Keith: i just edited the X11 xorg.conf by editing out "composite" and taking out the edit on s-video
[05:10:00] Keith: yet unfortunately that did not work
[05:10:00] Keith: anyone have an idea why myth tv continues to refuse with s-video for me?
[05:11:00] Chutt: yes, it's mythtv's fault X won't use your tvout
[05:11:00] pce-matty: chutt: *giggle*
[05:11:00] diamon: Keith: What video card?
[05:11:00] pce-matty: keith: X is fun
[05:12:00] Keith: built into mobo
[05:12:00] Keith: HOLY CRAP
[05:12:00] Keith: I DID IT
[05:12:00] diamon: bannerboy: I can't recall offhand how to run a program for debugging, I'm afraid. Been a LOOOOONG time.
[05:12:00] Keith: i am a golden god
[05:12:00] Keith: lol
[05:12:00] diamon: Heh, cool!
[05:12:00] pce-matty: onboard? what flavour?
[05:12:00] Keith: asus
[05:12:00] rjune: you like golden what?!?!
[05:12:00] Keith: compact and saved me a ton of money
[05:13:00] pce-matty: keith: that's the brand, what's the chipset :)
[05:13:00] Keith: asus pundit, their own asus mobo
[05:13:00] rjune: pce-matty: you're asking the hard questions
[05:13:00] Chutt: you've got it narrowed down to 2, now, though
[05:13:00] pce-matty: pundit, or pundit-r (ie: sis or ati9100) ?
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[05:13:00] ** pce-matty high five's Chutt **
[05:14:00] pce-matty: rjune: well, hey, I do this stuff for a living
[05:14:00] rjune: pce-matty: tech support?
[05:14:00] pce-matty: rjune: nope, R+D
[05:15:00] Keith: ok im getting no sound from s-video
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[05:15:00] pce-matty: keith: getting sound through s-video will be a challenge ;)
[05:15:00] Chutt: that's a quotable quote
[05:15:00] Keith: well pce i got plenty of time and nothing to do tonight
[05:15:00] Keith: so how bad a challenge are we talkin
[05:15:00] Keith: pundit
[05:15:00] Keith: not pundit r
[05:15:00] pce-matty: keith: the term: 's-video' might give it away
[05:15:00] Keith: pundit with 533mhz fbb requirement
[05:15:00] Keith: oh wiat
[05:15:00] Keith: crap
[05:15:00] pce-matty: keith: ah, the easy pundit
[05:15:00] Keith: yeah thats a good point
[05:16:00] diamon: Keith: Now, say that sentence again and try to puzzle it with logic.  :)
[05:16:00] Keith: yes, easy 'twas
[05:16:00] Keith: lmfao
[05:16:00] Keith: ok
[05:16:00] ** pce-matty uses a pundit-r as a dev machine... been running it under linux for almost a year now **
[05:16:00] pce-matty: and all the devices work :)
[05:16:00] rjune: oh god, that was funny
[05:16:00] pce-matty: the pundit-r is very nifty
[05:16:00] Keith: well i have to say it looks a lot better on the tv then it does on the monitor
[05:16:00] Keith: i was looking at the pundit r
[05:17:00] Keith: but it was more costly
[05:17:00] Keith: and the reg pundit is working beautifully for me
[05:17:00] Keith: hmmm.... sometimes theres a drop in quality.... what can i do to improve that?
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[05:21:00] Keith: oh pce- i dont have flash installed yet
[05:21:00] Keith: soooo i couldnt view your groups site
[05:21:00] diamon: 'Sometimes' how?
[05:21:00] Keith: when are you doing the presentation?
[05:21:00] Keith: well im watching west wing
[05:21:00] pce-matty: keith: good :) the website for work has like a negative priority on our todo lists :)
[05:22:00] Keith: when theres a sudden scene change theres oticeable horizontal bars
[05:22:00] diamon: And what capture card again? It slipped my mind.
[05:22:00] Keith: and then characters moving after the switch is pixly
[05:22:00] Keith: pvr-150
[05:22:00] Chutt: turn on deinterlacing.
[05:22:00] Keith: the card is having trouble on quick scene changes
[05:22:00] diamon: Thought so, but I had too much in my head to be sure right then... WHat bitrate, average/max?
[05:22:00] Keith: deinterlacing. ok. is that a mythtv setup or a tuner card setup
[05:22:00] Keith: how do i check bitrate?
[05:22:00] pce-matty: keith: the box is going to CEDIA on the gold coast which kicks off next Thursday, i'm not demo-ing it, i've been supplied with a trained droids for that :)
[05:22:00] Chutt: it's the very first setting in the playback screen
[05:23:00] pce-matty: keith: CEDIA times and info are here (and their website doesn't suck too hard): http://www.cedia.com.au/index.cfm?page=expo
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[05:24:00] Keith: playback screen?
[05:24:00] Keith: so basicallyyoure showing off myth
[05:24:00] Keith: if you impress people
[05:24:00] Keith: then what
[05:24:00] pce-matty: keith: Setup / TV Settings / Playback
[05:25:00] Keith: thanks
[05:25:00] HRearden: Anybody know where the list of plugins to attempt to load is stored? I deinstalled torrentocracy about 2 minutes after installing it, but still get messages about "unable to initialize plugin..."
[05:25:00] Keith: which algorithm?
[05:26:00] Chutt: hrearden, you didn't remove it completely
[05:26:00] Chutt: or didn't restart the frontend, at least
[05:26:00] pce-matty: keith: then what? well depending on how much Aussie interest we can stir up for Myth-done-properly as opposed to the admirable, but flawed implementation D1 (www.d1.com.au)...
[05:26:00] HRearden: Obviously not, but there wasn't exactly any de-installation info. This was 2–3 months ago at least. Is the list in a file somewhere, or a sql table?
[05:26:00] pce-matty: well depending on that interest, there might be some money made available to churn back into the myth community
[05:26:00] Chutt: neither, it looks on disk
[05:27:00] Chutt: there, dvb subs are in svn
[05:27:00] Keith: well, linux has always ad sucky marketing- at lease theres some people that push for it. keep me posted on how it does, pics and esp vids if possible
[05:27:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: whats flawed about D1 ?
[05:27:00] Keith: itd be nice to show friends hwo cant see the mythbox i built yet :-D
[05:27:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: just being honest
[05:27:00] HRearden: any idea what file needs to get removed or where on disk it looks?
[05:28:00] Keith: hey= what algorithm for deinterface should i use?
[05:28:00] pce-matty: keith: whatever works best for you
[05:29:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: yeah, whatever, but I want to know what the flaws are, I use the D1 tv guide data, so I don't know whats wrong with their machines
[05:29:00] Keith: what do you mean? choose for what best fixes?
[05:30:00] pce-matty: keith: most people are happy with bob, but it'll make text flicker, onefield and linear blend suffer (from my subjective tests) from motion blur in high action... Kernel deint seems pretty solid
[05:30:00] diamon: Keith: I honestly don't use deinterlacing with my PVR-150, I just kicked up the MPEG2 bitrate to 4.4/6mbit.
[05:30:00] pce-matty: keith: but it'll differ from hardware platform to hardware platform too
[05:30:00] Keith: hmmmm i change bitrate in the playback options or where? ill try both bob and that
[05:31:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: you're successfully using D1's tv guide? i'm impressed...
[05:31:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: at a guess i'd say you're running knoppmyth?
[05:31:00] diamon: Setup -> Tv Settings -> Recording Profiles -> Mpeg-2 Encoders.
[05:31:00] Chutt: bitrate doesn't affect interlacing artifacts
[05:32:00] diamon: Chutt: It sounds more like mpeg grain, he said it's mostly during fast scene changes.
[05:32:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: debian unstable, never used knoppix
[05:32:00] Keith: would all for commercial detection be good?
[05:32:00] diamon: I watch Cops a lot, and there's nothing better for brutally fast scene changes.  :)
[05:32:00] diamon: Keith: That's what I use for comm flagging. Seems fine here.
[05:33:00] Chutt: diamon, the defaults are 4500/6000 for those cards
[05:33:00] Chutt: kinda hard to "raise" it to 4400 :p
[05:33:00] diamon: But my system's a bit overpowered for what it's doing, your CPU may vary.  :)
[05:33:00] Keith: ya
[05:33:00] Keith: im at 4500 6000
[05:33:00] Keith: should i rasie it, lower it, what?
[05:33:00] diamon: Chutt: Then I set something odd, I surely had to raise it to that to make normal TV decent.  :)
[05:33:00] Keith: hmmmmmmm
[05:34:00] Chutt: just turn on deinterlacing, should look fine
[05:34:00] Chutt: unless you've got a shitty signal
[05:34:00] diamon: Keith: Kick it up a bit. The more bitrate, the less pixellation on fast scene changes. Don't forget to raise both in the same ratio.
[05:34:00] HRearden: chutt — do subtitles in DVB work for US ATSC?
[05:34:00] pce-matty: keith: my recommendation: don't fuck with the defaults for bitrate
[05:34:00] diamon: Yeah, deinterlacing can't hurt I suppose. I used Kernel deint, but decided I really didn't see a huge difference and turned it off.
[05:35:00] pce-matty: keith: they were chosen for a reason
[05:35:00] diamon: pce: Ah, what fun is that?
[05:35:00] pce-matty: diamon: fun, well possibly not fun, but sensible
[05:35:00] Chutt: hrearden, uh, is ATSC DVB?
[05:36:00] pce-matty: diamon: you don't see combing with interlace turned off? *boggle* what's your target res?
[05:36:00] Keith: i only urned on interlacing
[05:36:00] diamon: The odd lines between the 'pixel' rows?
[05:36:00] HRearden: well, using the DVB drivers with a pcHDTV-3000 and soon an Air2PC. Didn't know if it was for technical DVB or anything using the drivers.
[05:36:00] diamon: Is that combing?
[05:36:00] Chutt: dvb drivers doesn't mean it's a dvb signal
[05:37:00] Chutt: every damn time someone mentions the dvb subtitle crap, some idiot asks if it works in the US
[05:37:00] riddlebox: hrmm my channels are all right but the shows that mythweb says are on them is totally wrong
[05:37:00] HRearden: I knew from the list it wasn't yet working for NTSC, just wasn't sure about ATSC. Thx.
[05:37:00] Chutt: yes, the dvb drivers for the pchdtv magically transform the atsc subtitles into the dvb format
[05:37:00] Keith: ok moment of truth
[05:37:00] Keith: trying out mythdvd for the first tiem
[05:38:00] riddlebox: I tried it but I think I need to somehow allow a user to access the dvd device
[05:38:00] Chutt: use a real dvd player
[05:38:00] Keith: ok disc in
[05:38:00] Keith: myth tv is doing osmething
[05:38:00] Keith: it jumped to the play dvd screen
[05:38:00] Keith: good sign
[05:39:00] Chutt: dvd playback in linux sucks, in general
[05:39:00] diamon: Odd... I just tried something from a doc I found online, 'mtd -n' which said it should report listening on port whatever, but mine says 'mtd was built without transcode support. It won't do anything.' That doesn't sound hopeful...
[05:39:00] Keith: yes, the play by play is neccessary
[05:39:00] pce-matty: chutt: gotta agree.. that's one of the show-stoppers for rolling out desktop linux installs
[05:39:00] Keith: lol ok
[05:39:00] Keith: i got an error message- cannot connect to myth transcoding daemon when trying to rip
[05:40:00] pce-matty: diamon: gentoo?
[05:40:00] Keith: hittingp lay dvd does nothing
[05:40:00] diamon: Chutt: Yeah, I wish folks would start at the menus instead of the primary track or however they're choosing...
[05:40:00] diamon: pce: FC3.
[05:40:00] diamon: Keith: Any errors in the console?
[05:40:00] Keith: hmm lemme check
[05:40:00] Keith: frontend or backend?
[05:40:00] pce-matty: diamon: pity, adding transcode to your use flag, quick recompile (*giggle*) and you'd have been on your way
[05:41:00] ** pce-matty loves developing with gentoo **
[05:41:00] pce-matty: it's so lazy :)
[05:41:00] Keith: ok and we have frozen myth
[05:41:00] pce-matty: anyway, enough of my OS advocacy :)
[05:41:00] diamon: Eh, I'll build from source if I need to. I'm just trying to stay with RPM's while I get used to all the spec files and rpm database, etc. Used to use slackware.
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[05:42:00] keith_: ok
[05:42:00] riddlebox: Keith: http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/ I have it setup in knoppmyth right now and it works great
[05:42:00] keith_: im on the myth box
[05:42:00] pce-matty: slackware -> fedora, that's an interesting jump
[05:42:00] diamon: keith: Give it a bit in case it's just confused.
[05:42:00] keith_: and my lappy
[05:42:00] keith_: yeah i gave it a bit
[05:42:00] keith_: let met copy and paste this curently unreadable error
[05:42:00] keith_: who wants it pmed to them?
[05:43:00] diamon: pce: Yeah, bit of a learning curve there. A lot of web server hosting firms I'd worked with used RH of some form or another, so I nabbed FC to get used to it. Worked nice so far, but I'm not stellarly impressed with RPM's so far.
[05:44:00] Keith: ok who wanted to see what the backend as saying?
[05:44:00] Keith: does mythdvd use mplayeR?
[05:44:00] pce-matty: they're a big weight around your neck, and managing a system that's stock rpms + stuff compiled from source as you're finding out gets worse and worse
[05:44:00] Keith: cuase i see a lot of mplayer not found errors
[05:44:00] Keith: and ubuntu doesnt have mplayer
[05:44:00] diamon: My mind is getting all melty, but toss it here and I'll flail at it with wild guesses for a bit...
[05:44:00] diamon: Oh, it'll need mplayer for playing DVD's.
[05:45:00] riddlebox: or xine
[05:45:00] diamon: Ripping them too I think.
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[05:45:00] pce-matty: riddlebox: you make that sound so easy :P
[05:45:00] Keith: oh ok
[05:45:00] Keith: thats hy
[05:45:00] Keith: ill go install thatn ow
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: Why would you need mplayer to rip a dvd ?
[05:45:00] pce-matty: chutt's right: with dvd playback you'll find mplayer will do 90% of your discs (but no menus), xine dramatically less
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: Sorry I meant to play one. Xine would do the job too
[05:46:00] Chutt: and they'll play it back pretty crappily, too
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: and in the latest source internal myth dvd playback is in the works
[05:46:00] Keith: what can i do to make ubuntu and non mythtv stuff look better on the tv??
[05:46:00] pce-matty: chutt: when it's good, it's fucking good :)
[05:46:00] Chutt: no jitter free playback in mplayer or xine
[05:47:00] Keith: who sent me the dvd shrink ink?
[05:47:00] pce-matty: i've wowed some professional video clients (ie, people who sell/deal with $10-$20k home theatre equipment) with the way mplayer handled The Incredibles
[05:47:00] Keith: link*
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[05:48:00] diamon: Keith: Try adding deinterlacing; try other deinterlace methods; up your mpeg bitrate (recommended against by some folks), or try a new resolution for your TV. Mine accepts 640x480 and 800x600, 8x6 looks far better.
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[05:48:00] Krazylegz: Whew, haven't been in here for a while.
[05:48:00] pce-matty: but overall, dvd playback is causing me all sorts of grief
[05:49:00] diamon: pce: You just reminded me; I wonder if since it uses mplayer anyway if the old Creative DVD cards can be used for DVD/mpeg2 output...
[05:49:00] diamon: And the biggest question; if I'd even want to bother.  :) The answer is, 'how bored am I today?'
[05:50:00] Krazylegz: You mean the old hardware decoders that Creative used to provide with the DVD drives?
[05:50:00] Keith: hmmm ill try the 800x600
[05:50:00] diamon: Yerp.
[05:50:00] pce-matty: diamon: they sure can
[05:50:00] Krazylegz: Well, would it be able to do regular MPEG2, or just DVDs?
[05:50:00] diamon: pce: Any better than the current software method?
[05:51:00] pce-matty: diamon: i've got 2 dxr2 cards in front of me on my desk, and a dxr3... and a real magic....
[05:51:00] pce-matty: diamon: it's fun
[05:51:00] diamon: Krazy: I think as I recall the specs it accepted numerous mp2 streams.
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: diamon: They can. Just install the em8300 drivers
[05:51:00] Krazylegz: Interesting idea.
[05:51:00] GreyFoxx: and ensure that mplayer is compiled to handler it
[05:51:00] diamon: Grey: Thanks for the driver suggestion, that might save me a ton of time.
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: I use to use one to playback myth recordings through my p166 frontend (not the myth gui, just the video playback)
[05:52:00] GreyFoxx: and for mplayer
[05:52:00] diamon: pce: Fun as in a fun technical challenge, or fun as in a Valuable Learning Experience Fraught With Pain?
[05:52:00] Keith: hmm ok installing mplayer now one sec
[05:52:00] diamon: Grey: Nice idea there.
[05:52:00] Keith: actually switching over to mythbox completely
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[05:52:00] diamon: keith: Good luck!
[05:52:00] diamon: Bah, now he won't have my luck! Well, I suppose I really need it myself right now...
[05:53:00] GreyFoxx: diamon: a few bits of code and it was simple to playback the recordings through the card. trying to get X on it is another matter :)P
[05:53:00] diamon: Yeah, you'd have to convert X to an MP2 stream, and wouldn't THAT be a fun try?
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[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: I had hacked up a solution to get it to work once, but a HD crash and my lack of backups of the workd killed it
[05:54:00] Krazylegz: Would framebuffer work too?
[05:54:00] Krazylegz: I mean, if there was framebuffer support for that card.
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: You don't have to no. It's possible to write directly to the yuv memory on the card
[05:54:00] diamon: Grey: Ack!
[05:54:00] Keith: ok installing mplayer
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: Krazylegz: There isn't any framebuffer support out there for it. I keep considering messing with it again but keep finding more interesting things to spend my timeon
[05:55:00] diamon: Hmmm, a bunch of Myth updates from atrpms.net... Let's hope mtd got updated.  :)
[05:55:00] Krazylegz: I should finish the putting-the-system-together part before I come in here.
[05:55:00] diamon: Grey: At least that sounds like an interesting driver to mess with.
[05:56:00] diamon: Krazy: Probably.  :)
[05:56:00] Krazylegz: I just found out that my PVR-350 won't fit into this new Asus Pundit-R. :-(
[05:56:00] pce-matty: you know, with all the work i do with linux, you'd think i'd have my mousewheel functional on my dev machine
[05:57:00] pce-matty: Krazylegz: yes, yes it can
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: pce-matty: Hehe took me two years to bother enabling that :)
[05:57:00] Krazylegz: pce: Care to enlighten me?
[05:57:00] diamon: Hacksaw!
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[05:57:00] pce-matty: Krazylegz: well get a tape measure, it will fit... mounting it is the problem
[05:58:00] pce-matty: if you dissassemble the case, you can get a full height card in there
[05:58:00] Krazylegz: You've inspired me.
[05:58:00] Krazylegz: To Asus I say: Bring it.
[05:58:00] pce-matty: i ran a nebula-digitv card in this pundit-r here for a while
[05:58:00] pce-matty: seen the new 915 pundits? kick ass
[05:59:00] diamon: Don't allow me to influence or inspire you, I'm under the effect of psychotropic drugs...
[05:59:00] diamon: Technical info seems safe, but anything else...I dunno.
[06:00:00] Krazylegz: diamon: pce inspired me. I think I'm safe, right?
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[06:01:00] diamon: Should be, pce seems far more sensible than me right now.
[06:03:00] ** pce-matty winks **
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[06:04:00] pce-matty: alrighty, i've got a question this time. Anyone here seriously hacked into Myths menu system... if i wanted to change the look of the Manual Recording section, where would i go... it's not as self obvious as the rest of the menu system
[06:05:00] pce-matty: i'm also wanting to hack about the config screens, gonna make one screen with the basic options, and hide the rest
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[06:07:00] Chutt: i don't believe manual recording's configurable
[06:07:00] pce-matty: guess it's just me who hates having 50+ screens of config menus
[06:07:00] Chutt: oh, i do
[06:08:00] Chutt: but nobody likes my defaults :p
[06:08:00] pce-matty: hahahaha :)
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[06:09:00] mchou: Crap, I really dont understand Dell's pricing structure.
[06:09:00] pce-matty: seriously, manual recording can't be futzed with? and since it looks similar to the config screens, i'm guessing they can't be futz'd with either
[06:09:00] Chutt: right
[06:09:00] pce-matty: mchou: what's to understand, it's like mcdonald's only less filling
[06:09:00] mchou: 3 wks ago BFG 6600GT OC was $164
[06:09:00] Chutt: they're all qt crap that's going away
[06:09:00] diamon: mchou: I always liked how getting a system without Windows usually costs more than the same thing WITH Windows.
[06:10:00] Chutt: dell charges whatever it wants to at any given point in time
[06:10:00] mchou: 2 wks ago it wend to 224
[06:10:00] mchou: went*
[06:10:00] Chutt: and changes it depending on how you get to a particular item, too
[06:10:00] Chutt: it's quite simple, really =)
[06:10:00] mchou: now it's back down to 196
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[06:10:00] mchou: yeah, if you start with soho you get ripped.
[06:11:00] diamon: mchou: Dell keeps little stock on-hand, so their prices float more with the market. Usually it pays off handsomely.
[06:11:00] mchou: small business you get the nice prices :)
[06:11:00] Fosten: has anybody gotten sound working with the pvr-500?
[06:11:00] pce-matty: chutt: well there goes my ambitions for today ... i'm assuming they're buried somewhere though...
[06:11:00] Chutt: yup
[06:11:00] Chutt: programs/mythfrontend for the manual record crap
[06:11:00] Chutt: settings are lots more complicated
[06:11:00] pce-matty: i like complicated :)
[06:12:00] pce-matty: i get a thrill out of making complicated stuff easy
[06:12:00] diamon: pce: Ah, that update got mtd to work again. Yay!
[06:12:00] pce-matty: if you make it easy, less people complain
[06:12:00] mchou: lol
[06:12:00] pce-matty: if you make it easy, more people use it
[06:12:00] mchou: ppl complain regardless.
[06:12:00] Chutt: oh, the settings stuff's easy to _use_
[06:12:00] pce-matty: if more people use it, you get more complainers
[06:12:00] Chutt: you just can't change how it looks easily
[06:12:00] pce-matty: and you're back to be screwed :)
[06:12:00] Chutt: by 'use' i mean programmatically
[06:13:00] diamon: Fosten: Yes, as a PVR-150, which is the core chip a 500 uses. Did you feed it a HcwMakoA.ROM file like it needs for the driver? It usually goes in /lib/modules I think.
[06:13:00] pce-matty: chutt: hence why i was gonna cut my teeth on manual record :)
[06:13:00] Fosten: diamon: yes i did feed it the firmware... i've got video working in myth but no sound
[06:13:00] pce-matty: alrighty, programs/mythfrontend
[06:14:00] pce-matty: think i'll have another cigarette
[06:14:00] diamon: Fosten: And check your dmesg output to make sure it's got the tuner set right, if it's off a bit (like I had) it gets video but no sound.
[06:14:00] diamon: pce: Just finished one myself. Can't wait to quit smoking though... I'm so done with it.
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[06:14:00] Fosten: diamon: where should i be looking for info
[06:15:00] ** pce-matty will be back with avengence (and a cup of coffee) **
[06:16:00] diamon: fosten: There's the firmware, files ivtv-fw-dec(and enc).bin, and there's the sound rom, HcwMakoA.ROM. I also put in the HcwFalcn.rom as well, but I think that's for encoding on a 350 only...
[06:16:00] diamon: fosten: There should be an ivtv section pretty clearly delineated in the dmesg output.
[06:17:00] Keith: ok im givign up for the night- dvds a no go
[06:17:00] Keith: night
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[06:18:00] Krazylegz: pce, diamon...
[06:19:00] Krazylegz: Thanks. :-)
[06:19:00] Chutt: xris, trac needs graphs to show ticket activity like bugzilla does :p
[06:19:00] diamon: Fosten: THat looks pretty good. What distro is this?
[06:20:00] Fosten: gentoo
[06:21:00] diamon: No idea then. I use FC3, and needed to do an alias to set tveeprom to use tveeprom-ivtv, and same for msp3400, to msp3400-ivtv. I don't think you need that though, as tveeprom seemed happy with itself...
[06:24:00] diamon: Fosten: You won't be able to capture in anything but the max resolution of the card. Hardware scaling isn't supported yet for the 150/500, but you should still get a pic and sound, just that it 'zooms' in to the rez specified.
[06:24:00] Chutt: the -ivtv module names are an artifact of axel's rpms
[06:25:00] diamon: Chutt: Yep, and I wasn't sure who else might have that oddness...
[06:25:00] wasabi: I'm trying to figure out where to point myth's video library at my external NFS machine
[06:25:00] Chutt: and they're only required in the first place because the ivtv people are idiots.
[06:25:00] diamon: Chutt: Well there is that.  :) Randomly grabbing tuner numbers, gotta love that.
[06:25:00] Chutt: and not sending their modifications upstream
[06:26:00] Chutt: and breaking existing tuners
[06:26:00] Chutt: and keeping the name of the modified modules the same
[06:26:00] diamon: Fosten: Actually, I notice that the tuner thinks it's NTSC, but I see you setting it for PAL resolutions.... Might want to check that.
[06:26:00] Chutt: and not even _attempting_ to get stuff merged in so people don't have to bend over backwards to use the damn thing
[06:27:00] diamon: Chutt: Yeah, I know what you mean.
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[06:28:00] pce-matty: Chutt: i guess that's the thing that galls you the most – people half fixing things and not sharing... then complaining when their half fixes break
[06:28:00] Chutt: heh
[06:28:00] Chutt: it's annoying that the most difficult part of getting myth working is tuner card drivers
[06:29:00] Chutt: used to be xmltv, but that's gone for most (ie., in the us) users
[06:30:00] mchou: Chutt: how about lirc? :)
[06:30:00] Chutt: eh, lirc isn't bad
[06:30:00] mchou: and maybe even xvmc :)
[06:30:00] Chutt: and nobody really needs xvmc
[06:30:00] Qwell: Chutt: ever tried getting an all-in-wonder working? ;]
[06:30:00] mchou: lol
[06:30:00] Chutt: talk to ati
[06:30:00] diamon: Chutt: I didn't *need* it, but xvmc does save me a notable CPU percentage.
[06:31:00] Chutt: heh
[06:31:00] diamon: And yeah, I had lirc up in no time with my PVR-150's remote. By far the easiest one I've tried.
[06:31:00] Chutt: i can decode, deinterlace, and display *3* 1080i streams perfectly smoothly
[06:31:00] Chutt: without xvmc
[06:31:00] mchou: diamon: what lirc ver you using with 150?
[06:31:00] diamon: Chutt: I just like saving CPU time.  :)
[06:32:00] Chutt: ah well
[06:32:00] pce-matty: chutt: agreed – most systems running myth are far from tuned
[06:32:00] Chutt: done with patching for the night
[06:32:00] diamon: mchou: .7.1 I think.
[06:32:00] mchou: Chutt: not many ppk have 4400+ X2:)
[06:32:00] Chutt: time to play with swapping ram around to see what broke
[06:32:00] mchou: ppl*
[06:32:00] Chutt: my new machine's been perfectly stable for a couple weeks, then gcc started segfaulting tonight :(
[06:33:00] Chutt: pulled out half the ram, and it's fine :(
[06:33:00] mchou: oh oh.
[06:33:00] diamon: Swapping ram? Always a fun game. Thank goodness for memtest, at least I know wether or not I need to mess with the memory really at all.
[06:33:00] Chutt: memtest passes it, gcc doesn't
[06:33:00] diamon: Memtest86+ to be specific.
[06:33:00] mchou: haha.
[06:34:00] mchou: I dont think memtest stresses mem enough.
[06:34:00] diamon: If memtest passes it through a full pass I'll be terribly surprised if it's a physical fault in the memory.
[06:34:00] Chutt: right, i think it may be a bios issue
[06:34:00] wasabi: How do I point myth at my media library?
[06:34:00] wasabi: I have a lot of music and videos I want it to list.
[06:34:00] pce-matty: 1080i + 2.6D Celeron + nvidia (mx440, mx4000, whatever's kicking around) = achievable without xvmc
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[06:35:00] diamon: mchou: I've found memtest to spot errors better than the hardware-based testers I used at one job, and the tester-manufacturer took my failed modules, a copy of memtest, and my printouts and had engs verify the faults, then they put out a new flash for their tester and sent us ours free for proving a flaw.  :)
[06:35:00] mchou: haha!
[06:36:00] diamon: Looks like a bios issue just knocked Chutt offline or something.  :P
[06:36:00] mchou: nah.
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[06:36:00] mchou: he probably rebooted
[06:37:00] diamon: mchou: I'm using atrpm versions of Lirc 0.7.1–46, for the record.
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[06:37:00] mchou: diamon: ok.
[06:37:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: are you building a myth box to sell?
[06:37:00] mchou: that worked outta the box with 150?
[06:38:00] mchou: diamon: ^^
[06:39:00] diamon: mchou: I think I only added a char-major alias for lirc as I recall, but yeah, that was it.
[06:39:00] mchou: diamon: also does the irblaster that came w/150 work yet?
[06:40:00] diamon: That I don't know, I've had no need for it yet, but I was thinking about it for my cable box to get the odd channels. SciFi and Spike and most of the ones I really like are all unencrypted though, so I'm being a bit lazy.
[06:41:00] mchou: all right
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[06:44:00] wasabi: Does the mythtv video library thing recurse into subdirs?
[06:45:00] rjune: yeah
[06:45:00] wasabi: hmm. It's only showing nfslockfile for me
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[06:46:00] wasabi: heh the music thing is updating it's database. This process needs to be interruptable.
[06:47:00] Chutt: don't use mp3s, and it's speedy.
[06:47:00] wasabi: most of what i have is oggs.
[06:48:00] diamon: Odd, why does mythvideo and mythmusic show as owned by root? I bet that explains problems writing to those folders....
[06:50:00] diamon: Would bad permissions on the mythvideo folder explain why I couldn't get transcodes to work?
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[06:50:00] phi0x: sups
[06:54:00] wasabi: Is it possible to remove certain elements of mythtv's interface, or lock them behind a password?
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[06:54:00] wasabi: like all of the configuration stuff.
[06:54:00] wasabi: Want to put on of these in a kids room.
[06:55:00] Chutt: hrm..
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[06:56:00] fatmatt: would mythfrontend work if it only had read access to the database?
[06:58:00] fatmatt: maybe add a user in mysql with read access only, they'd probably be able to access the settings pages stuff, but without write access the frontend would just give an error
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[07:01:00] ** pce-matty wakes up **
[07:02:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: no, i'm not selling mythboxes – i'm promoting linux as viable platform for media centre style development
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[07:03:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: where are you promoting?
[07:03:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: what do you use to tvguide data?
[07:03:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: CEDIA
[07:03:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: as for guide info in australia, fuckin forget it :)
[07:03:00] Chutt: hrm
[07:04:00] Chutt: this *may* be working
[07:04:00] didj: heh, d1.com.au aint too bad for .au
[07:04:00] pce-matty: chutt: story of my life :)
[07:04:00] Chutt: i should've just bought 2x1GB, instead of 4x512MB
[07:04:00] fatmatt: theres the tivo community guide, I've been monitoring the mailing list, seems okay
[07:04:00] Chutt: but i hadn't planned on going to 2GB of ram
[07:04:00] pce-matty: didj: it's useless :)
[07:04:00] Qwell: Chutt: yeah, I hate that...
[07:04:00] Chutt: except that make -j3 in myth was swapping
[07:04:00] didj: pce-matty: ya?
[07:04:00] didj: ive only found a couple of program errors
[07:05:00] didj: my main gripe is that channel 7/9 are usually like +-10mins off schedule, annoying++ :P
[07:05:00] jasoncohen: ivtv 0.2.0-rc3j isn't compiling cleanly with debian etch's 2.6.11 kernel headers
[07:05:00] pce-matty: didj: it may have 'un-useless'd itself, but there's to many places for things to go wrong
[07:05:00] Chutt: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/125
[07:05:00] Chutt: who's going to test that for me?
[07:06:00] didj: pce-matty: what do you use for info ?
[07:06:00] pce-matty: didj: i've used every available scrubber for guide info in australia – all have their flaws
[07:06:00] Chutt: isn't there another listings source for guide info in australia now?
[07:06:00] Chutt: non-free?
[07:07:00] fatmatt: pce-matty: can't blame the guides for crap tv stations
[07:08:00] pce-matty: chutt: you mean www.tvguide.org.au
[07:08:00] pce-matty: state of play for aussie tv grabbers (a little out of date): http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_tuhs.html
[07:08:00] Chutt: no, something else
[07:08:00] jasoncohen: has anyone compiled the ivtv driver in etch or sid with 2.6.11?
[07:09:00] fatmatt: some guy replied to a posting I made to the mythtv-dev list about his companies $5ish a month tv guide service..
[07:09:00] pce-matty: fatmatt: oh, that'd be icetv
[07:09:00] Chutt: icetv or something like that
[07:09:00] Chutt: yeah
[07:09:00] wasabi: Trying to play a video with MythVideo now. I have it selected, but I don' tknow the key to play
[07:09:00] diamon: Looks like a fun patch, but I don't have any of the sources down on this system.
[07:09:00] wasabi: Using a keyboard currently.
[07:09:00] pce-matty: that's the one... haven't tested it coz it costs :)
[07:10:00] fatmatt: yeah, thats it, he was unable to convice me that his guide data would give me any more/better than I currently had
[07:10:00] fatmatt: I *think theres a 1 week trial available
[07:10:00] didj: fatmatt: where do you rip your guide from ?
[07:10:00] pce-matty: fact of the matter is, in aussie land, making a tv guide gets you into lotsa trouble with the tvstations
[07:11:00] fatmatt: d1, I'll probably switch to the tivo/community one sometime though, their mailing list is prety active
[07:11:00] didj: mmm
[07:11:00] diamon: pce: Yeah, didn't aussies give up a ton of media rights this past year or two? Post-9/11 media security after all, it helps fight the terrorists, or something stupid like that...
[07:11:00] didj: and theres no rippers for HD channels eh? (only analog/sd?)
[07:11:00] Chutt: hrm
[07:11:00] Chutt: wonder if this'll run at ddr400 again
[07:11:00] fatmatt: they show the same shows on HD as SD
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[07:11:00] didj: ah
[07:12:00] diamon: Chutt: Did you figure out the prob with your memory?
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[07:13:00] pce-matty: diamon: nah, the strangle hold the tv stations have on guide info here goes way back before 9/11
[07:14:00] pce-matty: but hey, it's a good excuse, i mean, no one's ever used 9/11 as an excuse for anything ;)
[07:16:00] adante: d1 is still alive?
[07:16:00] fatmatt: it must be, I'm still grabbing guide data from them
[07:17:00] adante: heh, the grabber stopped working for me sometime last year
[07:18:00] adante: from what i read on the mailing list i thought the guide died
[07:18:00] fatmatt: I have butchered the xmltv grab scripts..
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[07:19:00] fatmatt: If I had to set it up again I'd probably be unable to do it, I should take notes
[07:19:00] adante: i'm just using one agrajag gave me, lord knows from where
[07:19:00] adante: ..it came
[07:19:00] Chutt: heh, nope
[07:19:00] adante: heh from the d1 website: Now supporting Standard Definition digital broadcasts for unparalleled picture quality!
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[07:20:00] fatmatt: hey, the d1 HMC has internet radio
[07:20:00] pce-matty: adante: yah, and if you look at the state of play in aussie-land, it's not surprising D1 stopped short of offering HD support
[07:20:00] pce-matty: aussie HD channels are funky :)
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[07:22:00] fatmatt: If they'd sold the rights to someone else to broadcast on digital, or let the commercial channels broadcast other programs on the extra channels there'd be a bigger uptake of digital
[07:22:00] adante: pce-matty: how so? (i don't use them, never had any luck)
[07:22:00] pce-matty: nine is great (1080i), ten is a notch back from that, seven's HD channel offers SD when it's not playing a demo loop (which is also SD), ABC HDTV transmits like 50% of the time
[07:22:00] pce-matty: and people wonder why there isn't guide info for aussie HD channels :)
[07:23:00] fatmatt: and they let them use upscaled SD broadcast as HD to count as part of their HD quota
[07:23:00] Zaf_: On my mythtv system, the load averages are ok(ish), but the io-wait percentages is around 50% (when I play the video w/o mythtv direct using mplayer, there is no io-wait, so its a mythtv thing), I've found others in the mailing lists, etc, who mention it, but I can't find out if its a) normal, and b) if I can do anything about it.
[07:24:00] Zaf_: anyone have any ideas?
[07:24:00] adante: heh, god bless aus
[07:25:00] fatmatt: bbl
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[07:27:00] pce-matty: zaf: i assume you're chasing a problem with your mythbox? or you just like to tweak numbers :)
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[07:30:00] pce-matty: *laff* one of the techs walked in, looked at the mythbox running here and said 'hey cool, looks like it's working'
[07:30:00] jasoncohen: i was able to compile ivtv 0.2.0–3rc3j on etch's 2.6.11 kernel. i just had to use kernel-headers-2.6.11–1 rather than kernel-headers-2.6.11-1–386 and this firmware- wget http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/pvr25 . . . _18a_inf.zip
[07:30:00] jasoncohen: chris kennedy's recommended firmware didn't work
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[07:32:00] Chutt: still no non-free drivers update in breezy :(
[07:33:00] jasoncohen: they'll have to add it soon
[07:33:00] jasoncohen: you're referring to linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 right
[07:33:00] Chutt: ayup
[07:33:00] Chutt: i did compile my own
[07:33:00] pce-matty: life is grand, i'm watching judge judy... all this technology at my fingertips, and this is the end result :)
[07:33:00] Chutt: but i don't like doing my own versions
[07:34:00] pce-matty: and i just got a package dropped off...
[07:35:00] pce-matty: 50 ubuntu 2 disc packs
[07:35:00] pce-matty: gotta love shipit :)
[07:36:00] diamon: pce: I'll have to admit, my enthusiasm meter is pretty low over the Judge Judy thingy... And what's with Ubuntu that I see a good number of folks using it nowadays?
[07:36:00] rjune: judge judy thingy?
[07:36:00] pce-matty: ubuntu's pretty nifty, but i don't use binary based distributions for anything important
[07:37:00] pce-matty: fag time
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[07:40:00] jasoncohen: the correct command to compile & install modules is make modules && make modules_install, right?
[07:40:00] diamon: Yep.
[07:41:00] jasoncohen: heh, you sure appreciate the power of linux when you setup a box entirely through SSH
[07:42:00] Krazylegz: YES.
[07:42:00] Krazylegz: Points to jasoncohen /\/\/\ !!!
[07:43:00] jasoncohen: sweet, well i have my ivtv card working with mythtv in 2.6.11
[07:43:00] jasoncohen: hopefully those annoying kernel page faults which cause hard lockups will go away
[07:44:00] jasoncohen: i'm just compiling kernel modules now so i can get a custom ati remote module loaded
[07:44:00] pce-matty: you've got the x10/ati remote have you?
[07:44:00] jasoncohen: anyone else get kernel page faults with 2.6.8? i had the same thing in mandrake 10.1 with 2.6.8
[07:44:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty, no- better- a niveus with GreyFoxx's custom driver
[07:45:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty, http://www.niveusmedia.com/gallery/rc_full.htm
[07:47:00] pce-matty: ya know, i'd like a remote without any bloody yumcha brand name stamped onto it
[07:52:00] jasoncohen: i think i have some corrupted mysql tables as i'm receiving emails saying there are tables that should have been closed but weren't- probably due to the hard lockups during recordings. is there a safe way to fix these problems? i haven't noticed any problems with the mysql db but i don't want it to just die suddenly
[07:54:00] diamon: jason: I do believe there's a mysqlrepair tool or something along those lines, but I haven't had to use that in some time.
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[07:56:00] Krazylegz: repair table
[07:56:00] Krazylegz: That might be what you're looking for.
[08:02:00] jasoncohen: that's it- repair table?
[08:02:00] Krazylegz: Look it up, but that might be what you're looking for.
[08:03:00] Krazylegz: Maybe you can also run myisamchk from the command-line.
[08:04:00] Krazylegz: I think either one should work for you.
[08:04:00] jasoncohen: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20218&
[08:05:00] jasoncohen: is myisamchk safe? the posts mentioned myisamchk -r *.MYI which is a force check
[08:05:00] jasoncohen: i don't want to break something that's not broken
[08:05:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, just don't use the -r switch until you are ready.
[08:06:00] Krazylegz: You can manually copy the tables as they are now, and then just try to "fix" them.
[08:07:00] jasoncohen: i'm doing a mysqlcheck -c -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[08:07:00] jasoncohen: so far all OK
[08:07:00] jasoncohen: it showed all tables OK
[08:07:00] jasoncohen: so i guess i'm fine
[08:08:00] Krazylegz: That wasn't so bad then.
[08:08:00] jasoncohen: and i have backups of my db done every evening from the last 3 months
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[08:12:00] jasoncohen: the error message was about an improperly closed table
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[08:13:00] Krazylegz: Did you find it?
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[08:19:00] jasoncohen: cool, well everything appears to be working now with mythtv + kernel 2.6.11 in debian sarge
[08:19:00] jasoncohen: got my remote working as well as my pvr-250 MCE and my hauppauge wintv with btaudio
[08:19:00] Krazylegz: What's left?
[08:19:00] jasoncohen: nothing
[08:20:00] jasoncohen: i had everything working with 2.6.8 but i was geting kernel page faults (hard lockups every week or so)
[08:20:00] jasoncohen: i couldn't get more than 8 or 9 days uptime but performance was excellent other than that
[08:20:00] jasoncohen: i think the problem is due to 2.6.8 because i had the same issue in mandrake 10.1 which used 2.6.8
[08:21:00] jasoncohen: i upgraded to 2.6.11 from etch today, recompiled the latest ck ivtv driver (had to use an alternative firmware version + compile against kernel-headers-2.6.11–1 rather than kernel-headers-2.6.11-1–386 to work) but after that everything appears to be working fine
[08:21:00] jasoncohen: now i just have to wait and see
[08:23:00] Krazylegz: Take a few days off of work and play with your Mythbox.
[08:23:00] jasoncohen: i spoke too soon
[08:23:00] jasoncohen: the bttv card isn't working
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[08:25:00] jasoncohen: bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read
[08:25:00] jasoncohen: bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog
[08:25:00] jasoncohen: FATAL: Error inserting bttv (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[08:25:00] jasoncohen: damn
[08:26:00] jasoncohen: what do i do?
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[08:30:00] Qwell: If I get a pvr150, I can still use my other remote, right?
[08:30:00] Qwell: probably a dumb question
[08:31:00] Krazylegz: Which remote?
[08:32:00] Qwell: remote wonder...much better
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[08:33:00] Krazylegz: pce-matty would probably know.
[08:33:00] Krazylegz: Oh, it uses USB?
[08:33:00] Qwell: yeah
[08:33:00] Krazylegz: Yes, you'd still be able to use it.
[08:34:00] Qwell: thank god...I was unimpressed with the remote the pvr150 came with
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[08:36:00] Qwell: That, and going from rf to ir will be a huge disappointment
[08:36:00] Krazylegz: Oh, true.
[08:36:00] ** pce-matty wakes up **
[08:37:00] diamon: Qwell: I might have to look at that remote then, because I actually liked my PVR-150's remote more than the other one I had.  :)
[08:37:00] pce-matty: hmm? what's up?
[08:37:00] Krazylegz: diamon: Did I lie to Qwell at all?
[08:37:00] ** Krazylegz is spreading possible lies **
[08:37:00] Qwell: diamon: well, we were using it in Windows (yes, I realize that doesn't say much), and it was horrible. It was only detected half the time, it wasn't sensitive at all
[08:38:00] Qwell: and no mouse :D
[08:38:00] Krazylegz: Oh, you don't already have it working in Linux?
[08:38:00] pce-matty: well generally you can't just expect to use any old remote (esp if it runs off a usb dongle), but yah, the all-in-wonder remote has got dedicated support
[08:38:00] diamon: Qwell: Huh, mine seems to be working fine so far, decent range and angles to it.
[08:38:00] Qwell: Krazylegz: nah, I was just considering getting one. My brother-in-law got one the other day, I helped him set a few things up
[08:38:00] Qwell: pce-matty: dedicated support?
[08:38:00] pce-matty: getting it to do what you want within myth, that's another story
[08:39:00] Qwell: well, I've got mine working with lirc currently, so mythtv shouldn't be much of a hassle
[08:39:00] pce-matty: qwell: well, you're really taxing my general knowledge here, but yah, default lirc has support for that remote... i think :)
[08:39:00] Qwell: (I don't have a tuner that works with myth...stupif AIW)
[08:39:00] Qwell: stupid*
[08:39:00] Krazylegz: I thought that if it worked with lirc, it would work fine with Myth?
[08:39:00] Qwell: which is why I'm considering a pvr150
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[08:40:00] diamon: I can't see why it wouldn't...
[08:40:00] Krazylegz: I've been out of the loop for a while, though.
[08:40:00] Qwell: and actually, maybe somebody could answer another dumb question or two...
[08:40:00] pce-matty: krazylegz: yah, then it's just down to keybindings (or whatever people want to call them this week)
[08:40:00] Qwell: a) What are the differences between the 150, 250, 350
[08:40:00] Krazylegz: Haha. They call them something else now too?
[08:40:00] Qwell: and b) how good is the FM support on the 150mce?
[08:40:00] adante: 100–200
[08:40:00] pce-matty: qwell: heaps, just go look at the comparison on the hauppage site
[08:40:00] Qwell: in linux, that is
[08:41:00] Qwell: pce-matty: I tried...maybe I was just too tired when I looked...it didn't seem much different.
[08:41:00] pce-matty: the 150, iirc, is way different to the other ivtv driven cards
[08:41:00] Qwell: Do they all work well in Linux?
[08:41:00] diamon: 250 is the original card, 150 its newer one-chip replacement. The 150's support in linux isn't as complete as the 250, but it continues to improve. The 350 is a 250 with TV Out built in.
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[08:41:00] Qwell: So, I probably want a 250 or 350?
[08:41:00] diamon: And a 500 is a pair of 150's.
[08:41:00] Krazylegz: Qwell: a) http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/compare_pvr.html
[08:41:00] pce-matty: qwell: nope, and hauppage (and other companies) have a nasty habit of releasing cards with the same model number, but different underlying hardware
[08:41:00] diamon: Depends, the 250 is pricier than a 150, and the 350 pricier still.
[08:42:00] Qwell: hmm
[08:42:00] diamon: pce: Yeah, that too.
[08:42:00] Qwell: Krazylegz: ahh, I must've missed that page before
[08:42:00] pce-matty: i've got a 350 here gathering dust... can't really find a use for it
[08:42:00] Krazylegz: diamon: 350 also includes FM tuner.
[08:42:00] Qwell: and the usb should be avoided at all costs, correct?
[08:42:00] Krazylegz: Maybe you aren't recording enough television.
[08:42:00] Krazylegz: Oh wait, there isn't anything worth recording! :-)
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[08:43:00] pce-matty: qwell: best starting point for checking support for your card... cd /usr/src/linux, make menuconfig, --> drivers --> multimedia, and read through what modules your kernel has available, and what hardware they support
[08:44:00] diamon: Oh yeah, can't forget the FM tuner! Is it even supported yet in Linux? Last I heard it wasn't.
[08:44:00] Qwell: I'd love to get a card with an FM tuner that works in Linux... My ultimate car radio mod, doesn't currently have a way to...like...listen to the radio.
[08:46:00] Krazylegz: Run WinXP on your carputer. That's what I was planning, if I were to ever build a carputer.
[08:46:00] Qwell: not a chance
[08:46:00] Krazylegz: I'd much rather run fancy Linux stuff in the car, though.
[08:47:00] Chutt: it'd be fun to write a nav system
[08:47:00] Qwell: mine will control steering...it can't fail
[08:47:00] Qwell: so, Windows is absolutely out
[08:47:00] Qwell: (no, not literally)
[08:48:00] Chutt: controlling steering is probably a bad idea =)
[08:48:00] Krazylegz: Hmm, Google Earth from the car...
[08:48:00] pce-matty: hmm... google earth from linux
[08:48:00] Chutt: given that my nav system has trouble deciding if i'm in local/express lanes at times
[08:48:00] ** pce-matty rolls his eyes **
[08:48:00] Qwell: Krazylegz: I'd have to use google maps until a Linux client is created
[08:48:00] Qwell: but, google maps is fine
[08:48:00] Chutt: it's fun having it tell you to make a left into the center divider
[08:48:00] Qwell: hopefully I could do some sick overlay with google maps and a gps
[08:48:00] pce-matty: there's a toy at nasa that i think has a linux client
[08:49:00] Chutt: but that wouldn't work too well if it started turning for you =)
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[08:52:00] banyan: My setup doesn't automatically run mythfilldatabase, even though it's set up in myth to run.
[08:52:00] pce-matty: blah, i hate touching people's source code
[08:52:00] Krazylegz: Crap. I've been using Windows almost exclusively for like 6 months now, due to the work I've been doing.
[08:52:00] banyan: Does the scheduling of mythfilldatabase not work anymore?
[08:53:00] mchou: actually isnt there some competition out there for a robotic navigated vehicle race?
[08:53:00] ** banyan feels for Krazylegz. **
[08:53:00] pce-matty: mchou: the grand challenge
[08:53:00] mchou: yeah, exactly
[08:53:00] pce-matty: mchou: 170 mile race, last year's 'winner' got like 7 miles
[08:53:00] mchou: Qwell: you working on the Grand Challenge?
[08:54:00] pce-matty: i'm full of useless information... some of it is even correct
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[08:54:00] Qwell: mchou: not likely
[08:54:00] mchou: hehe :)
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[08:54:00] mchou: pce-matty: it would be cool to have a robotically driven car that works :)
[08:55:00] pce-matty: banyan: scheduled running of mythfilldatabase works (tm)
[08:55:00] Krazylegz: KnoppMyth has come along from R4V5 to R5A16.
[08:55:00] xris: mchou: they have a few in university tests... computerized caravans.
[08:55:00] pce-matty: krazylegz: i don't like it
[08:55:00] mchou: xris: I mean works in the real sense :)
[08:55:00] xris: heh
[08:56:00] pce-matty: it's great, but it's so fragile
[08:56:00] mchou: like dont crash my car :)
[08:56:00] Krazylegz: pce-matty: I haven't used it much yet. What's not to like?
[08:56:00] Krazylegz: Ah. I'm using it to test a few things, but the permanent install will be Gentoo-based.
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[08:57:00] pce-matty: the fact it's debian which means it's had to rely on a whole bunch of untrusted, unsupported debs
[08:58:00] pce-matty: sure, now that we have a new stable debian release to work off, an automagic debian mythtv install would be a great project... but (and no offence to the people who did knoppmyth) knoppmyth could really do from being redone from scratch
[08:59:00] mchou: pce-matty: http://www.stanfordracing.org/
[08:59:00] pce-matty: me, i've got a 678mb zip file that i can extract onto any system with a prescott cpu and an nvidia card – i only need to edit my fstab/mtab (if necessary) each time i move platform
[09:00:00] mchou: volkswagen even has a research lab out there.
[09:00:00] pce-matty: end result: working myth install within 30–45mins from bare metal (and most of that is extraction time)
[09:01:00] Chutt: that long?
[09:01:00] pce-matty: chutt: network
[09:01:00] mchou: woah.....
[09:01:00] Chutt: ah
[09:01:00] mchou: that's fast in my book.
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[09:02:00] mchou: 45 minutes from bare metal, I'd love to be able to achieve that :)
[09:03:00] mchou: pce-matty: you just dd trhe image and it works?
[09:03:00] mchou: the*
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[09:07:00] Krazylegz: Interesting.
[09:07:00] Krazylegz: I'll try to dream about it.
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[09:12:00] pce-matty: sorry guys, boss gave me some new toys
[09:12:00] Qwell: mythtv doesn't run in Windows, does it?
[09:13:00] mchou: you can try :)
[09:13:00] pce-matty: mchou: pretty much, i boot a gentoo livecd, allocate and mount my partitions and then extract it all with tar
[09:13:00] pce-matty: qwell: there's a busted ass win32 mythfrontend out there
[09:13:00] Qwell: Hauppauge sure seems to think so  – Note: when using the WinTV-PVR-150MCe with WindowsXP, you need a third party TV application such as MythTV, SageTV or BeyondTV
[09:13:00] mchou: lol.
[09:14:00] mchou: that doesnt say windows anywhere.
[09:14:00] Qwell: sure it does
[09:14:00] mchou: except maybe the XP part :)
[09:14:00] pce-matty: gentoo's minimal livecd is useful for all sorts if things
[09:14:00] jasoncohen: cool- i got bttv working in 2.6.11. i just had to use 2.6.11-1-k7. the tveeprom module is borked in 2.6.11-1–386
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[09:15:00] pce-matty: jason: yah, lotsa changes regarding dvb in the 2.6.11 builds
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[09:16:00] pce-matty: i found 2.6.11r4 to be pretty damn good, but i've moved to 2.6.12 for kernel native support for the newer connexant cards
[09:16:00] pce-matty: i hate patching, patching is evil :)
[09:16:00] mchou: pce-matty: you mean cx88?
[09:17:00] pce-matty: that's the one cx88_dvb module is standard in 2.6.12
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[09:17:00] pce-matty: anyway, i've got new toys
[09:17:00] mchou: ok.
[09:17:00] pce-matty: product manage has given me:
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[09:17:00] pce-matty: a yuan butterfly pvrub680
[09:17:00] pce-matty: and
[09:17:00] jasoncohen: pce-matty, breezy wil have 2.6.12
[09:18:00] jasoncohen: but i'm planning to keep mythtv on sarge with 2.6.11 for now unless i have problems in the future
[09:18:00] pce-matty: a yuan mpb101 usb2 tv2go
[09:18:00] mchou: pce-matty: any of those work in linux? :)
[09:18:00] pce-matty: mchou: that's my job :)
[09:18:00] jasoncohen: currently- i'm recompiling all the kernel modules again after switching to the k7 kernel.
[09:19:00] mchou: pce-matty: writing v4l drivers?
[09:19:00] mchou: or dvb?
[09:20:00] pce-matty: write drivers? hell that's coding
[09:20:00] pce-matty: i don't code :) i integrate
[09:20:00] mchou: how else you get them to work in linux? :)
[09:21:00] pce-matty: mchou: it's surprising how much stuff actually works under linux
[09:21:00] mchou: like whuch USB capture cards work excpt plextor? :)
[09:21:00] pce-matty: well not that surprising when you consider that most hardware is just something else rebadged
[09:21:00] mchou: except*
[09:22:00] pce-matty: mchou: make menuconfig, look at all those tasty usb modules
[09:22:00] mchou: which kernel?
[09:23:00] pce-matty: 2.6.12r4, maybe r6 tonight
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[09:25:00] pce-matty: toilet break – like you people needed to know :) bbs
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[09:38:00] didj: minnie.tuhs.org (tvguide.org source) resolve for anyone ?
[09:41:00] pce-matty: didj: not from here
[09:41:00] didj: mmm, guess back d1 ;/
[09:43:00] pce-matty: didj: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_tuhs.html
[09:43:00] didj: yea, im running that, but python keeps spewing resolv errors
[09:43:00] pce-matty: but beware, some of those hacked up grabber scripts sometimes rely on rather obtuse perl modules
[09:44:00] didj: haha
[09:44:00] pce-matty: you've tried other grabbers from here: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/
[09:45:00] didj: only one ive really tried is d1
[09:45:00] didj: [and trying tuhs]
[09:45:00] pce-matty: the ninemsn grabbers are the most widely used
[09:46:00] didj: mm
[09:46:00] pce-matty: at least from where i'm standing – gossamerthreads has a fair amount of aussie specific grabber help
[09:46:00] didj: ill give it a go
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[09:47:00] pce-matty: but i think i know the guy in canberra who wrote one of the ninemsn grabbers... i used to help him with his first year programming assignments (in Eiffel no less!)
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[09:47:00] pce-matty: his coding is pretty artless
[09:49:00] Russ: when I play through my frontend, stuff that doesn't have very much color besides red, becomes very red
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[09:55:00] pce-matty: russ: with every screen you attach to it? just trying to narrow down where your problem's at...
[09:56:00] pce-matty: could be colour balancing within myth, could be colour settings on your tv/monitor, could be a dodgy vga lead
[09:57:00] pce-matty: coz there's no reason on the planet that you'll get 'too much red' that i can think of :)
[09:58:00] racer7899: does anybody run a slave backend here (as in is anybody running 2 mythbackends connected together)?
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[10:21:00] Rogue_F: anyone know the current vbi status of the ivtv drivers?
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[10:24:00] stoffel: the ivtv people probably?
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[10:30:00] Dibblah: VBI at least used to work (3.2i ish if I remember correctly)
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[10:48:00] didj: is http://immir.com/tv_grab_au supposed to work, caus im getting heaps of errors fetching details (looks like the html layout has changed..)?
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[11:08:00] Russ: cable tv needs to have some sort of test channel
[11:08:00] Russ: with a test pattern
[11:13:00] Dibblah: I just use MythGallery...
[11:17:00] Russ: ya, but I want to test the whole pipeline
[11:17:00] Russ: and then compare it to what the builtin tuner on the tv shows
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[11:20:00] didj: god perl is fugly language :~
[11:28:00] tuxick: well, problem is that it allows/encourages writing ugly code
[11:28:00] tuxick: you can try to keep it clean
[11:29:00] tuxick: i have same problem with tv_grab_nl
[11:29:00] tuxick: also doesn't work
[11:29:00] tuxick: seems maintainers lost interest
[11:29:00] tuxick: and nobody reports it
[11:30:00] ** tuxick bets they used bugzilla to discourage them **
[11:37:00] tuxick: didj: did you check the bugtracker?
[11:38:00] didj: where at?
[11:39:00] tuxick: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv
[11:39:00] tuxick: but looks like there's nothing about tv_grab_au there
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[12:22:00] lucas: tuxick: there are other grabbers available for nl if you're still looking for one.
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[12:25:00] tuxick: lucas: i know, tv_grab_nl_wolf for example
[12:26:00] tuxick: but i learned i couldn't change name in mysql table
[12:26:00] tuxick: so it forced me to use renaming and/or linking
[12:27:00] tuxick: found 4 reports about tv_grab_nl on xmltv bugtracker
[12:27:00] tuxick: but they're "closed"
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[12:29:00] tuxick: now i have the old problem again: keep getting sound from tv card instead of from playback
[12:30:00] tuxick: haven't found a solution where user won't have to change input in mixer
[12:31:00] tuxick: there's both analog/sound cable and btaudio
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[12:32:00] tuxick: plenty notes about these issues, anyone lend me a black chicken?
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[13:02:00] lucas: I used to use _wolf, now I use _gert
[13:02:00] lucas: has longer descriptions.
[13:02:00] lucas: btw, does anybody here know an easy way to just look at a .nuv file as it is recording from a windows machine, over samba?
[13:02:00] tuxick: haha
[13:02:00] tuxick: sounds like asking for trouble
[13:02:00] tuxick: i know nfs allows this
[13:02:00] tuxick: but that too is asking for trouble
[13:03:00] tuxick: i mean it works with avi anyway
[13:03:00] lucas: all media players look at the filesize of the recording when they start playing, and stop when they reach that point... but the recording is bigger then.
[13:03:00] lucas: so it should just keep on playing it...
[13:03:00] lucas: also tried opening the file trough a local webserver, but same story.
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[13:14:00] Towner: anyone about with any knowledge of reasonably technical dvb-t probs?
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[13:28:00] tuxick: lucas: i'm 100% sure i was able to play avi with mplayer while it was being downloaded on nfs server
[13:28:00] tuxick: well, 99%
[13:29:00] tuxick: think i was avi anyway, maybe plain mpg
[13:29:00] tuxick: but afaik both are streamable?
[13:29:00] tuxick: i'm no codec expert though
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[13:36:00] Towner: hi all
[13:41:00] OpelPsycho: hello
[13:41:00] OpelPsycho: can anyone tell me please how i can scan for channels wih mythtv?
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[13:49:00] tuxick: OpelPsycho: that option seemed disabled in my mythtvsetup thingie anyway
[13:49:00] tuxick: i ended up entering data from xawtv
[13:50:00] Towner: correct me if im wrong but I thoguht it was only for dvb
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[13:52:00] tuxick: no idea :)
[13:52:00] tuxick: i just installed mythtv yesterday
[13:52:00] tuxick: and UPC.nl doesn't use standard frequency tables, so it was a fair bit of work
[13:52:00] tuxick: now i only have the sound problem to solve
[13:52:00] tuxick: can't be arsed atm
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[13:55:00] Towner: hehe
[13:55:00] Towner: whats the sound problems?
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[14:21:00] OpelPsycho: yes it is disabled in my setup too, thats the reason for my question :)
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[15:08:00] ** cyberknet waits for kormoc to wake up **
[15:09:00] ** cyberknet relaxen und watches das blinkenlights **
[15:10:00] ** laga watches dem x-files **
[15:12:00] ** Towner continues to write perl at work :o **
[15:13:00] ** crash-x would like to watch x-files too, but his myth box crashed before it could be recorded **
[15:13:00] crash-x: :/
[15:13:00] laga: crash-x: heh.
[15:13:00] laga: mine is rock stable
[15:13:00] crash-x: mine sucks
[15:13:00] crash-x: i dont know why, but always the sound stops and then the box crashs
[15:13:00] laga: umm. do you record a lot of MTV?
[15:14:00] crash-x: nah not really
[15:14:00] laga: that would've explained a lot.
[15:14:00] crash-x: why?
[15:15:00] cyberknet: heh
[15:15:00] laga: mythtv is good software, thus, it has a good taste. it would never record the jamba! (jamster for the rest of us) stuff
[15:16:00] crash-x: lol
[15:17:00] laga: and i gotta fix my tv-out. it's like grey in black for dark stuff like X files
[15:18:00] crash-x: heh
[15:20:00] crash-x: wow, i start hating my myth box
[15:20:00] crash-x: it didnt record even taken
[15:21:00] crash-x: well, it recorded just 50% of it
[15:21:00] laga: the last taken episodes sucked anyway
[15:21:00] laga: yeah, mine is missing the last 5 minutes, too
[15:21:00] cyberknet: ntpd
[15:21:00] cyberknet: or at the least, cron ntpdate
[15:22:00] crash-x: i just see mine recorded the whole episode but only one part with sound
[15:22:00] crash-x: damn damn damn
[15:23:00] laga: cyberknet: the time is accurate. it's the bloody network
[15:23:00] laga: cyberknet: umm, the subtitle patch for DVB doesn't work yet, right?
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[15:24:00] laga: i mean crash-x, damn
[15:25:00] Towner: is that subtitle patch likely to be merged into the svn?
[15:26:00] laga: dunno, but i think it would be useful for crash-x ;)
[15:26:00] Towner: :)
[15:29:00] Towner: i cant get my damn mythfilldatabase to run without error from the frontend :(
[15:29:00] diamon: crash-x: What capture card is it?
[15:29:00] crash-x: miro pctv
[15:29:00] diamon: Hrrm, dunno that one offhand.
[15:29:00] crash-x: bt48 driver
[15:29:00] diamon: Towner: Can you run it manually ok?
[15:30:00] crash-x: err Bt848 chip
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[15:31:00] OpelPsycho: does anyone know another program like mythtv ?
[15:32:00] stoffel: why?
[15:32:00] laga: freevo
[15:32:00] diamon: Opel: Freevo should be similar-ish I think, but I haven't tried it.
[15:33:00] johnp_: I thought dvb subtitles had just gone into svn ?
[15:34:00] OpelPsycho: because i have problems with mythtv
[15:34:00] OpelPsycho: i can't scan for channels
[15:35:00] OpelPsycho: or is there a possibility to use the channels.conf i have created with the program "scan"
[15:35:00] johnp_: OpelSsycho, DVB ?
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[15:36:00] johnp_: oops s/s/P/
[15:36:00] OpelPsycho: yes i use a dvb-s card
[15:36:00] ** johnp_ must not go on irc after having too pints. **
[15:37:00] Towner: sorry diamon yes can run it as root without a problem
[15:37:00] johnp_: channles.conf should be able to be imported in the svn version
[15:37:00] Towner: just plain mythfilldatabase does it but even with cron as root it doesnt run.. weird huh
[15:38:00] johnp_: OpelPsycho, what happens with scan ?
[15:38:00] diamon: Towner: Huh... What does it say when run as root via cron?
[15:41:00] OpelPsycho: i can't execute the scan option
[15:42:00] johnp_: err ?
[15:42:00] johnp_: The button greyed out ?
[15:42:00] OpelPsycho: yes the button greyed out :)
[15:43:00] johnp_: probably means that you haven'd defined the video source, card or input correctly .
[15:44:00] OpelPsycho: oh i think i have done it correctly, because i have a dvb card and i have chosen the dvb option
[15:44:00] OpelPsycho: and mythtv detects my card probably i think
[15:45:00] diamon: Opel: There's a lot of 'maybe' in those last few sentences... Might want to double-check.
[15:45:00] johnp_: still think you've missed something. Works for me and that's what the code says.
[15:46:00] diamon: And now I lurk... Bedtime has arrived.
[15:46:00] OpelPsycho: hmm... at the moment i have the problem to open mythtv-setup ?!?
[15:47:00] OpelPsycho: i think i reinstall it later
[15:47:00] cyberknet: threads are such a joy =)
[15:48:00] OpelPsycho: so i will go eat now, c-yeah guys :)
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[15:48:00] Beirdo: threads rule
[15:48:00] Beirdo: just don't pull on em too hard
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[15:49:00] eddi2001: @find myth
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[15:49:00] laga: ummk...
[15:50:00] cyberknet: heh
[15:50:00] EL_Whistey: I am in nvidialand. They are suggesting I send my machine to them so they can diagnose their driver.
[15:50:00] EL_Whistey: I'm about to suggest they cut back on the crack
[15:50:00] didj: lool
[15:51:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: now you're stuck between the "Neat! nVidia wants my box!" and "WTF!? Nobody gets my box but me@#!" factors =)
[15:51:00] laga: nvidia really wants your whole box?
[15:51:00] EL_Whistey: That is what they said, yes.
[15:51:00] laga: give them your specs and say they should pay for their own stuff ;)
[15:52:00] EL_Whistey: |If you could ship me the system where this problem exists, that would ensure that it can be reproduced and debugged further
[15:52:00] EL_Whistey: They can send a tech here. Sydney's a bit cold, but it's still nice.
[15:52:00] Beirdo: laga: that won't necessarily help
[15:52:00] laga: Beirdo: but it could ;)
[15:53:00] cyberknet: Any nVidia tech would probably jump at the thought of a trip to Sydney =)
[15:53:00] didj: probably hoping to ride a kangaroo ;P
[15:53:00] cyberknet: so long as you're not a westie.
[15:54:00] cyberknet: If you're a westie, I will feel duty bound to inform nVidia prior to them sending a tech. thats just not cool.
[15:54:00] Beirdo: sure it is
[15:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:54:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[15:54:00] EL_Whistey: Hmmm. I used to be a westie.
[15:54:00] cyberknet: are you now a north shorer?
[15:54:00] cyberknet: =P"
[15:54:00] Beirdo: cyberknet used to be an Aussie, but he sold out, and lives in the USA
[15:54:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah. I'm sipping some italian mineral water as we speak.
[15:55:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:55:00] ** Beirdo ducks and runs **
[15:55:00] ** cyberknet is a born & bred southwestie **
[15:55:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah? Cool. Padstow, here.
[15:55:00] cyberknet: I used to back onto Wests stadium.
[15:55:00] Beirdo: pseudo-Yank
[15:55:00] EL_Whistey: Well, that's where my kin come from :)
[15:56:00] ** Beirdo grabs the boot and runs **
[15:56:00] EL_Whistey: I don't even know where Wests stadium is, actually.
[15:56:00] Beirdo: I still like that episode
[15:56:00] cyberknet: Leumeah
[15:56:00] EL_Whistey: Beirdo, that was a silly episode.
[15:56:00] cyberknet: just a little north of Campbelltown.
[15:57:00] Beirdo: EL_Whistey: of course it was silly
[15:57:00] Beirdo: but it was fun
[15:57:00] EL_Whistey: It just proved that the average unistater can't tell the difference between the continent of Australia and the city of Singapore.
[15:57:00] Beirdo: no it didn't
[15:57:00] Beirdo: hehe
[15:57:00] cyberknet: unistater
[15:57:00] cyberknet: hah
[15:57:00] cyberknet: =)
[15:57:00] Beirdo: the Simpsons make fun of everything
[15:57:00] EL_Whistey: Nah, I guess, they'd have to be able to find both on a map to be able to tell the difference.
[15:57:00] Beirdo: be honoured they picked on you :)
[15:58:00] cyberknet: wow. did a WantToBeYank actually put a u in honour?
[15:58:00] EL_Whistey: The episode was made just after some unistater punk was threatened with the rattan in Singapore for graffiti.
[15:58:00] Beirdo: I'm not a frigging Yank, butthead
[15:58:00] cyberknet: ahahah. I said WantToBeYank, not Yank =)
[15:58:00] Beirdo: I don't care :)
[15:58:00] Beirdo: it's still funny
[15:58:00] EL_Whistey: You're not a Seppo, Bierdo?
[15:58:00] cyberknet: Everyone knows Canada just wants to be part of JesusLand
[15:58:00] Beirdo: I'm Canadian
[15:59:00] Beirdo: cyberknet: yah, our new legal gay marriage makes that soooo obvious
[15:59:00] Beirdo: silly
[15:59:00] cyberknet: Beirdo: Suit yourself, stay part of NotAmerica =)
[15:59:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[15:59:00] Beirdo: silly Aussie. go home :)
[15:59:00] cyberknet: Bah.
[15:59:00] laga: NotAmerican > America ;)
[15:59:00] Beirdo: and take your wife with you :)
[15:59:00] Beirdo: she needs to be somewhere NotAmerica for a change
[16:00:00] cyberknet: My wife is the best thing the USA has going for it =)
[16:00:00] EL_Whistey: Good Morning America used to have a weather map where everything not-US was coloured blue, like ocean.
[16:00:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:00:00] Beirdo: good answer, cyberknet
[16:00:00] EL_Whistey: Which is peculiar, considering how much of their weather comes from Canada.
[16:00:00] Beirdo: ummm
[16:00:00] Beirdo: and how much of ours comes from the US too
[16:00:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:00:00] Beirdo: but yeah
[16:00:00] EL_Whistey: Like that counts.
[16:00:00] Beirdo: you'd think they could catch a clue
[16:01:00] cyberknet: You know what is funny? Watching a Texan's face when describing the size of Western Australia.
[16:01:00] Beirdo: heh, well it does when it hits them next
[16:01:00] EL_Whistey: You know why the Alamo happened?
[16:01:00] Beirdo: MI -> ON -> NY/VT
[16:01:00] EL_Whistey: Mexico passed a law forbidding slavery.
[16:01:00] Beirdo: that's the way the weather typically flows
[16:02:00] EL_Whistey: *that* is what caused the republic of texas to come into being.
[16:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:02:00] Beirdo: Texass
[16:02:00] Beirdo: and yes, I say that to my Texan friends too :)
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[16:02:00] EL_Whistey: That's probably why massachussets is trying to pass laws permitting gay marriage.
[16:02:00] EL_Whistey: Hoping Texas will secede again.
[16:03:00] Beirdo: Umm, they already passed it, I think
[16:03:00] Beirdo: like a year ago
[16:03:00] EL_Whistey: Remember the Alamo!!
[16:03:00] EL_Whistey: Man the barricades for Jesus!
[16:03:00] Beirdo: bah
[16:04:00] EL_Whistey: I know how to solve all the US' problems. Privatise it.
[16:04:00] EL_Whistey: The US should concentrate on its core competencies: making computers and making movies.
[16:04:00] Beirdo: nah, I think a high-yield nuke over Washington DC would be more effective at solving the problems
[16:04:00] EL_Whistey: Everything else should be downsized, and sold off to other countries.
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[16:05:00] EL_Whistey: Beirdo, yeah, but you're not allowed to say that anymore.
[16:05:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: having been to the movies recently, I can personally attest that making movies is *not* one of the USA's core competancies.
[16:05:00] laga: Beirdo: and way more fun. i wonder if they could get some nuclear fallout weather from canada?
[16:05:00] Beirdo: EL_Whistey: sure I am
[16:05:00] Beirdo: I'm not American
[16:05:00] Beirdo: I don't care if it's "un-American" to say that
[16:05:00] EL_Whistey: A lot of the guys in GITMO aren't either.
[16:05:00] EL_Whistey: Are there any Canadians in GITMO?
[16:05:00] Beirdo: the problems are caused by the government, the government needs to be fixed
[16:06:00] EL_Whistey: 'fixed', yeah
[16:06:00] Beirdo: and if movie makers can dream of blowing up the Whitehouse, why shouldn't I?
[16:07:00] tuxick: US had been privatised ages ago
[16:07:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: if there was one thing the USA was not ready for when I came over here, it was the ferocity with which australians complain when something isn't right =)
[16:07:00] tuxick: the country is run by Carlyle Group
[16:07:00] EL_Whistey: CyberKnet, YAY!
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[16:07:00] Beirdo: cyberknet: Canadians do too... when we bother
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[16:08:00] cyberknet: Beirdo: See, Australians nearly always bother.
[16:08:00] cyberknet: We are great complainers.
[16:09:00] Beirdo: and good loudmouths too :)
[16:09:00] cyberknet: Especially about food.
[16:09:00] EL_Whistey: Australians have a long history of struggles with authority.
[16:09:00] EL_Whistey: Usually fruitless struggles, but still.
[16:09:00] Beirdo: good thing we all like the accent
[16:09:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: truth.
[16:10:00] Beirdo: I fought the law... and the law won
[16:10:00] EL_Whistey: Well, there was the time they attacked Governor Bligh, and he had to hide under the bed.
[16:10:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: But at least we finally kicked labor out of government.
[16:11:00] Beirdo: come kick the damn Liberals out here, will ya?
[16:11:00] EL_Whistey: Howard is a snivelling toady, and a war criminal.
[16:11:00] cyberknet: Now there's an opinion =)
[16:11:00] EL_Whistey: What was the liberal party called? A congaline of suckholes.
[16:11:00] cyberknet: hahah
[16:12:00] cyberknet: You'd have to accuse the entire coalition though.
[16:12:00] Beirdo: the Canadian federal Liveral Party is a bunch of frigging crooks
[16:12:00] EL_Whistey: Yeah. Coalition.
[16:12:00] Beirdo: Liberal even
[16:12:00] cyberknet: You know something is screwed up when you're accusing the _liberal_ party of being war criminals.
[16:13:00] EL_Whistey: Howard's a war criminal. When he gets out of office he'll have to watch out where he travels.
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[16:14:00] EL_Whistey: If he went to the UK, he could easily be arrested and extradited to Iraq by the Iraqi government, for example, and they would have to do it.
[16:15:00] EL_Whistey: that is, the UK would have to allow his extradition. Under the precedent set by the Pinochet case.
[16:15:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:15:00] Beirdo: he can just go to the US
[16:15:00] Beirdo: the US protects its war criminals
[16:15:00] EL_Whistey: It does, yeah.
[16:16:00] Beirdo: and cyberknet thinks I wanna be a Yank
[16:16:00] Beirdo: HAH
[16:17:00] EL_Whistey: Ok, I'm going to bed. NVidia aren't going to get back to me.
[16:17:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:17:00] Beirdo: it's 10:17am here
[16:17:00] Towner: man got busy here all of a sudden :)
[16:17:00] laga: night
[16:17:00] Beirdo: good night, dude
[16:19:00] cyberknet: EL_Whistey: I'm curious why you think Howard is any more a war criminal than Blair or Bush...
[16:19:00] Beirdo: he didn't say more
[16:19:00] Beirdo: :)
[16:19:00] Beirdo: and we already know where Bush stands
[16:19:00] cyberknet: hmmm.
[16:20:00] Beirdo: and Blair's just a toady
[16:20:00] cyberknet: heh
[16:20:00] Towner: We know where Blair stands too in that case, rolling around Bush's feet wagging his tail
[16:20:00] Beirdo: A British toady, no less
[16:20:00] Beirdo: pretty much
[16:21:00] Beirdo: at least our criminal leaders aren't toadies :)
[16:21:00] laga: be proud
[16:21:00] Beirdo: yup :)
[16:21:00] Beirdo: they just rip us off for billions of dollars...
[16:21:00] Beirdo: nothing much
[16:22:00] laga: that's ok
[16:22:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:22:00] Beirdo: then claim they knew nothing about it
[16:24:00] brtab: I have a mythtv question: Anybody have any luck fine tuning channels in the latest svn/cvs code? Have two channels that need to be adjusted. The latest code doesn't seem to use the finetune value in the database. Maybe a different (larger) value needs to used?
[16:26:00] tuxick: how large do you have in mind?
[16:26:00] tuxick: dialogs say to use the values as in xawtv
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[16:29:00] brtab: With the previous version I had to put in +25. The freqid on the old one wasn't listed as the correct frequency. The new one lists the frequency as 77250, etc.
[16:29:00] tuxick: oww
[16:29:00] tuxick: great
[16:29:00] tuxick: better, though :)
[16:30:00] Chutt: the finetune amount's only used if you're using channel numbers, not frequency values
[16:31:00] tuxick: indeed
[16:32:00] brtab: So in order to finetune I would change the frequency directly?
[16:32:00] Chutt: if you're using frequency values, yes
[16:32:00] Chutt: it's been that way ever since you could use raw frequencies instead of channel numbers
[16:33:00] brtab: That's the way it's been implemented in the svn/cvs code.
[16:33:00] Chutt: no, it's been implemented that way for as long as the feature's existed
[16:33:00] brtab: OIC. And the new scan code dumps in the frequencies. Gotcha.
[16:33:00] Chutt: you're using the analog scan code?
[16:34:00] brtab: Yes.
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[16:34:00] brtab: In mythtv-setup, a new scan function has been added that scans all of the channels. It now puts the frequencies into the channel table.
[16:35:00] Chutt: right
[16:35:00] Chutt: it really should be using the ids, though, i hadn't noticed it was using the frequencies
[16:36:00] brtab: But I would have thought that the finetune value would still work as before. Add an adjustment and everything is moved accordingly.
[16:36:00] Chutt: naw
[16:37:00] brtab: It uses the ids when using a digital feed. Right?
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[16:37:00] Chutt: well, digital's a lot different
[16:38:00] Towner: dont suppsoe anyone ahs news on the "unable to change channel if you tune to non existent/off air pids with dvb"?
[16:40:00] tobbel: hi – can you name a dvb-t pci-card that works just fine in linux (also the included remote) and that can power a 5v aktive antenna?
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[16:45:00] Towner: :o
[16:46:00] Towner: the Nova-T are recommended no idea about supporting an atenna :/
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[16:54:00] eyeless24: hi, is it possible to remotely manage multiple mythtvs setups? for example change the skin of one installations remotely?
[16:55:00] stoffel: sure, phpmyadmin or other mysql management tools. all settings are in the db
[16:57:00] eyeless24: so for instance i can change the skin of my bros room mythtv on his bday for example to something suitable?
[16:57:00] Beirdo: I don't think there's a pr0n skin
[16:58:00] eyeless24: il make one :p
[16:58:00] Towner: nice post post post :D
[16:58:00] Beirdo: bah
[16:59:00] Towner: hehe
[17:01:00] ** Beirdo cues some U2 **
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[17:04:00] Towner: hmm anyone had any luck getting the newer wintv go boards going with the connexant chipset proeprly yet. Tried it a while ago and wasnt impressed with the results
[17:04:00] Beirdo: I think most of us went to PVR-x50 for our analog capture
[17:06:00] Towner: wise choice :/
[17:11:00] Dibblah: What the hell is with #gentoo-mythtv
[17:11:00] Dibblah: ?
[17:11:00] cyberknet: Dibblah: they're ricers.
[17:11:00] Dibblah: There's _nothing_ special about running Myth on Genoo.
[17:11:00] Beirdo: Dibblah: who knows, who cares? :)
[17:12:00] ** Dibblah runs Gentoo, and wouldn't even consider joining that channel. **
[17:12:00] DaSkreech: Can I stream the videos to a TV?
[17:12:00] Beirdo: they want to be ricey in another channel, they are welcome to it
[17:14:00] stoffel: it's called mythTV for a reason, DaSkreech
[17:14:00] Dibblah: Well, except to shout "Splitters!" and leave.
[17:14:00] Dibblah: Because it's mythical?
[17:14:00] Beirdo: Dibblah: they can hide in their own corner, they just won't get any help :)
[17:15:00] ** Dibblah likes the look of the signal monitoring stuff that's going in. No more black screens and confused GFs :) **
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[17:16:00] DaSkreech: stoffel: So I can pull differernt videos from different TVs?
[17:16:00] DaSkreech: I guess I would need an IR blaster
[17:16:00] stoffel: DaSkreech: is your question wether multiple mythfrontends can watch different videos at the same time? then yes
[17:17:00] Dibblah: If you have multiple frontend machines, yes.
[17:17:00] DaSkreech: So I would need a computer per TV?
[17:17:00] MonMotha: you could theorietically run more than one frontend on a single machine, though I have no clue how well the software would handle that. May have to set the hostname within mythtv to something different and run them as different users
[17:18:00] DaSkreech: ah much more useful
[17:18:00] DaSkreech: though a lot of cable
[17:18:00] MonMotha: yeah, but MythTV is really not set up for that
[17:18:00] MonMotha: it has a big assumption of 1 host == 1 frontend/backend
[17:19:00] MonMotha: I know you can override the hostname, and that's how it stores config values and such, but I don't know if it has any other assumptions based on IP address
[17:19:00] MonMotha: though I guess you could just assign multiple IP addresses to the machine
[17:19:00] MonMotha: that's a lot of hacking to work around software...grr
[17:19:00] Dibblah: MonMotha: It doesn't assume anything like that, for frontends.
[17:19:00] MonMotha: good
[17:19:00] MonMotha: I know it does for backends
[17:19:00] MonMotha: mostly on making the determination of which is the master
[17:19:00] Dibblah: Yes, but only a fool would run more than one backend on one machine ;)
[17:20:00] MonMotha: true
[17:20:00] MonMotha: you'd still have problems with running multiple frontends on the same machine using the same hostname though, if you wanted them configured differently, right?
[17:20:00] MonMotha: since the stores the config key attached to hostname
[17:20:00] MonMotha: there was a "since teh DB stores" in there...
[17:20:00] Dibblah: ... You don't use the same hostname? Why would you?
[17:20:00] MonMotha: because the machine is the same host?
[17:20:00] MonMotha: it'll pull the same hostname, but I know youc an override that
[17:21:00] Dibblah: $MYTHCONFDIR Set the config dir (instead of ~/.mythtv)
[17:21:00] MonMotha: ah, there's that option
[17:21:00] Dibblah: mythfrontend --help is your friend.
[17:21:00] MonMotha: wow, they wrote documentation for it?
[17:22:00] MonMotha: amazing...
[17:22:00] Dibblah: MonMotha: What's with the attitude?
[17:22:00] MonMotha: you'd still have to set two hostnames, though. Which is fine, thoug a bit counterintuitive if you don't know what it's doing behind the hood
[17:22:00] MonMotha: MythTV is rather poorly documented :)
[17:22:00] Dibblah: Bloody hell!!!
[17:23:00] Dibblah: That's THE BIT YOU CAN FIX....!
[17:23:00] cyberknet: MonMotha: If you don't like it, you know what you can do.
[17:23:00] MonMotha: I don't know it well enough to document it
[17:23:00] Dibblah: Try.
[17:23:00] Dibblah: Or don't. It's all the same to the people that already understand it.
[17:24:00] cyberknet: Most everyone else is very happy with the documentation.
[17:24:00] cyberknet: It is actually very conclusive.
[17:24:00] MonMotha: well, most of the stuff that has essentially no docs is the relatively new stuff or things that people don't normally do (like running multiple frontends on the same system)
[17:24:00] cyberknet: Maybe it's too conclusive for you?
[17:24:00] Dibblah: I find it very, very good.
[17:24:00] ** Beirdo points MonMotha at vi **
[17:24:00] MonMotha: tried setting up a digital TV tuner using XMLTV guide data? basically it comes down to manual database hacking, though I've been told someone wrote a script finally
[17:25:00] MonMotha: is the DB schema documented anywhere? I've been mostly just looking at it and figuring it out by breaking it then restoring a backup :)
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[17:25:00] cyberknet: To my knowledge, the DB schema is neither documented or diagrammed anywhere.
[17:26:00] cyberknet: That would be a very useful contribution you could make though.
[17:26:00] MonMotha: well, I know a good chunk of it, though not all
[17:26:00] didj: heh, ja, learnt a lot about schema getting DVB working ;P
[17:26:00] MonMotha: mostly related to channels, tuners, and dtv
[17:26:00] cyberknet: MonMotha: You could just submit documentation for part of it.
[17:26:00] DaSkreech: MonMotha: Trust me Just start
[17:27:00] DaSkreech: MonMotha: I did Documentation for OO.o and just starting is a great way to get it rolling
[17:27:00] MonMotha: is there a wiki that people normally use for thsi?
[17:27:00] cyberknet: www.mythtv.info
[17:28:00] DaSkreech: MonMotha: And Enough people will understand enough from your documentation and get annoyed by the one part that is missing (in there eyes) that they will filli t out
[17:28:00] cyberknet: that would be a great place to put it.
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[17:28:00] Dibblah: ... Especially after it's moved across ;)
[17:28:00] cyberknet: moved across?
[17:28:00] Dibblah: To the main site.
[17:28:00] cyberknet: I didn't realize that was in the works
[17:29:00] Beirdo: been in the works for a while
[17:29:00] cyberknet: well nobody said I was the most informed individual =)
[17:29:00] Dibblah: Outside the works, up on blocks.
[17:29:00] cyberknet: And if they did, they were wrong
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[17:47:00] rben: anyone here have any experience using cygwin/X to ssh into a linux box from Windows and run X applications?
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[17:58:00] cyberknet: X Forwarding over ssh.
[17:58:00] cyberknet: heh
[17:58:00] cyberknet: good luck getting that to work smoothly.
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[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: It depends on the app and on your BW. I use it all the time with no hassle.
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: I sent that message to 2 other channels before I finally got it into the right one *sigh*
[17:59:00] cyberknet: hah
[17:59:00] cyberknet: I tried to run firefox over X Forwarding
[17:59:00] cyberknet: not fun
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: I need to pay more attention to which channel I have focus on heh
[17:59:00] cyberknet: but also xchat was still not very good.
[18:00:00] cyberknet: over a 512k uplink
[18:00:00] cyberknet: and a T1 downlink
[18:00:00] GreyFoxx: Well, not being an xchat user I don't know what it's like when it comes to the gui or screenup dates :)
[18:00:00] cyberknet: heh
[18:01:00] cyberknet: and let me be the first to say that mythfrontend over x forwarding didn't work well either.
[18:01:00] cyberknet: =P"
[18:01:00] cyberknet: *grin*
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: That is painful I agree
[18:01:00] cyberknet: MythTV even over VNC is painful =)
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: but only time I export that over ssh is to work, at home it's straight to me :)
[18:01:00] GreyFoxx: cyberknet: What I usually do is export myth to my box at home, and vnc into that :)
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: makes it much more workable
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: but it
[18:02:00] Towner: it worked well enough to configure it. saved me a mission plugging a keyboard and mouse into the box a few times
[18:02:00] cyberknet: GreyFoxx: what apps do you use over X Forwarding?
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: s pretty rare I need to both
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: er
[18:02:00] Towner: xcloxk!
[18:02:00] cyberknet: the ultimate X application
[18:02:00] cyberknet: xclock
[18:02:00] Towner: :p
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: cyberknet: Oracle installs. and untold other apps
[18:03:00] GreyFoxx: If I'm lucky the box is on my local network and I just export directly to my xserver, if not I do it over ssh
[18:03:00] cyberknet: oracle installs. They run slow enough *natively* =)
[18:04:00] cyberknet: well, as natively as a java application gets, at any rate
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: It's usually not horribly bad. but it can be. Usually depends on my network path to the box :)
[18:04:00] cyberknet: if you know what I mean
[18:04:00] cyberknet: and if you've ever installed oracle client, then you know what I mean.
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: I had to reinstall it on a box in belgium a few weeks ago. and to get to that box I had to ssh through another one. It was pretty gross :)
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[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: I have installed Oracle more times than I care to think about
[18:05:00] cyberknet: so long as you're not having to _re_install it too often
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[18:05:00] cyberknet: GreyFoxx: large oracle installations, or just small?
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: All of the above
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: on windows, linux and (mostly) solaris
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: half of our apps here require it *sigh*
[18:06:00] cyberknet: we run oracle 8i on linux here
[18:06:00] Towner: 7i here
[18:06:00] cyberknet: about a 200GiB database
[18:07:00] cyberknet: not including indexes
[18:07:00] Beirdo: is that all?
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[18:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:07:00] Towner: dont need it thoguh trying persuade the company to move to postgres
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: All of our new stuff is 9 or 10, but still serveral 8i's around.
[18:07:00] cyberknet: yep, that's all.
[18:07:00] cyberknet: our database is pretty small, I guess.
[18:08:00] cyberknet: Oops
[18:08:00] Beirdo: lunch time
[18:08:00] cyberknet: we're on 9i now
[18:08:00] cyberknet: 9.2.0.4.0
[18:09:00] cyberknet: I love seeing this as I disconnect from sqlplus: "JServer Release 9.2.0.4.0 – Production (with complications)"
[18:09:00] ** Randall64 squeegees balls **
[18:09:00] cyberknet: with complications =)
[18:09:00] Randall64: It's hot out there.
[18:10:00] Randall64: Feels Like
[18:10:00] Randall64: 101°F
[18:13:00] GeckoFiend: If you had a 2.7 inch color LCD touch screen attached to your myth box, what would you want it to do?
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: hrm, up/down/l/r+select buttons, otherwise display time/whats going on
[18:14:00] xris: and a menu of sections.. music, tv, library, etc.
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: if playing a movie maybe ffwd-rew-pause etc
[18:15:00] Randall64: So put the myth gui on it and display on the TV.
[18:15:00] xris: presumably the most relevant options for the current mode, plus an option to browse around the main menus.
[18:15:00] GreyFoxx: The main thing I want to add to my box is a pause/play button on the front :)
[18:15:00] GreyFoxx: xris: yeah
[18:16:00] xris: would rather have a 2.7" color oled touch screen remote
[18:16:00] xris: heh
[18:16:00] cyberknet: heh
[18:17:00] xris: like that mythical keyboard that's been floating around the net the last week or so
[18:17:00] cyberknet: yeah
[18:17:00] cyberknet: that would kick ass
[18:21:00] xris: hmm, stupid hotplug not working on my box at work.
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[18:25:00] didj: should there be an indicator as to which which window your playing with (picture in picture)?
[18:25:00] didj: like, pressing 'B' toggles between main/small window, for changing channels/info/etc
[18:26:00] didj: but it doesnt come up with any indication which is which
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[18:49:00] xris: yay, reboot fixes everything. heh.
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[18:54:00] Beirdo: holy join/leave spam :)
[18:54:00] Beirdo: xris: you are on comcast? you freak :)
[18:56:00] xris: Beirdo: dsl, too.
[18:56:00] xris: load balanced
[18:56:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:56:00] Beirdo: balance this :)
[18:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[18:56:00] xris: we're too far from the CO to get good dsl speeds here.. but need dsl for static IP.
[18:56:00] xris: so we have both.
[18:56:00] Beirdo: ah, makes sense
[18:56:00] xris: it's all of the people in the build room listening to music streams.
[18:57:00] Beirdo: Oh coooool
[18:57:00] xris: and the salesguys upstairs downloading pr0n.  ;)
[18:57:00] Beirdo: I got 4 hits to my pics site from Israel
[18:57:00] xris: heh
[18:57:00] Beirdo: Canada, US, PR, UK, Germany, Israel
[18:57:00] Beirdo: this month
[18:58:00] Beirdo: had 12 from Saudi Arabia last month
[18:59:00] Beirdo: Hmmm. BRB
[19:00:00] ** cyberknet reminds himself to reroute his connection through NZ next month when hitting Beirdo's website. **
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[19:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: Well it's finally happened. After being here 3 years 2 months and 6 days I've finally set my voicemail message on my work phone
[19:09:00] Beirdo: cyberknet, you are a silly wanker
[19:09:00] cyberknet: eh/
[19:09:00] cyberknet: eh?
[19:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:09:00] Beirdo: you heard me
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[19:10:00] Randall64: And that's saying something coming from a big weiner.
[19:10:00] Mrgoose: yo
[19:10:00] Mrgoose: anyone using mythtv and kernel 2.6?
[19:10:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:10:00] xris: yup
[19:11:00] Randall64: Are there alternatives?
[19:11:00] Mrgoose: xris: have any problems with it?
[19:11:00] GreyFoxx: I have been for 8 months now. I wanted the improved DVB support
[19:12:00] Mrgoose: cool
[19:12:00] Mrgoose: just making sure before i upgrade
[19:12:00] xris: Mrgoose: no
[19:13:00] Mrgoose: heh
[19:13:00] Mrgoose: any ati driver support for kernel 2.6?
[19:13:00] Beirdo: go check on ATI's site
[19:14:00] Mrgoose: anyone ever tried http://gatos.sourceforge.net/
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[19:14:00] Mrgoose: xris: you using Xorg right?
[19:15:00] xris: yup
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: Long ago I use to use the gatos tv view on an old all-in-wonder I used on my desktop. But that was years ago
[19:15:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, if your card works with gatos, are you sure you can run ati's driver at all?
[19:15:00] The_Tick: myth can play xvid, divx, vcd and svcd right?
[19:15:00] xris: The_Tick: mythvideo, yes.
[19:15:00] xris: it's just mplayer
[19:15:00] Mrgoose: kormoc: yea i just realized gatos is old shit
[19:15:00] The_Tick: oh cool
[19:15:00] xris: or xine (or whatever else you configure it to be)
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: Plus the internal playe should handle at least the xvid/divx stuff
[19:16:00] The_Tick: it'll also rip dvds right?
[19:16:00] ** The_Tick reading page but hasn't found these yet **
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: mythdvd supports dvd ripping I believe
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: and latest source from last night added ripping to just an iso
[19:16:00] The_Tick: it'll be another week or three before i begin doing this
[19:16:00] The_Tick: so cool :D
[19:17:00] travolta: what can you do with the iso in mythtv ?
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: travolta: play it ?
[19:17:00] The_Tick: is there a favored distro to use with a mythtv setup?
[19:18:00] kormoc: your favored one is usually perfered
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: The_Tick: not really. It all depends on you.
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: Whatever distro you are most comfortable is likely a good choice
[19:18:00] travolta: GreyFoxx, i dont know, can you play it? thats why im asking.
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: travolta: There was some source commits last4 night adding basically support for playing the iso to the internal dvd player, and you can tell any external player to do it
[19:21:00] The_Tick: my biggest problem right now is finding a cool/cheap case for this
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:22:00] The_Tick: i don't even have cable right now, but i figure later on i'll want hd
[19:24:00] xris: The_Tick: you do know that there's no real way to record HD over cable, right?
[19:25:00] The_Tick: no, did not
[19:25:00] xris: The_Tick: it's encrypted.
[19:25:00] The_Tick: ok, so... what's this hd card for then?
[19:25:00] xris: best you can do is SD (480p) via firewire from the cable box (if you're paying for HD, and ask for it)
[19:25:00] xris: broadcast
[19:25:00] The_Tick: so you just view it live?
[19:25:00] xris: they'll do unencrypted HD cable, but that's few and far between.
[19:26:00] The_Tick: hmm
[19:26:00] The_Tick: ok, i don't know the channels stance on piracy here
[19:26:00] The_Tick: but this is pretty generic :)
[19:26:00] The_Tick: every once in a while i see a torrent with the name HD in the file name
[19:26:00] xris: yes. usually recorded via satellite.
[19:26:00] The_Tick: are those really SD (480p)?
[19:26:00] The_Tick: ooh
[19:27:00] The_Tick: so satellite is unencrypted?
[19:27:00] xris: depends.
[19:27:00] Beirdo: not around here
[19:27:00] The_Tick: my apartment complex would shoot me if i put a dish on the roof anyhow
[19:27:00] xris: some c-band isn't.. or can be legally circumvented. and DVB streams in europe can be semi-legally circumvented.
[19:28:00] Beirdo: the channel's stance on piracy (and that of the entire freenode network) is that it is not condoned here, and shouldn't be discussed. Illegal = bad.
[19:28:00] The_Tick: hmm..
[19:28:00] The_Tick: Beirdo: yea, that's my usual stance
[19:28:00] The_Tick: but i figured a filename wasn't a big deal :)
[19:28:00] ** The_Tick just wants to record stargate **
[19:28:00] xris: yeah, afaik know just two verboten topics: piracy (shows or signals) and torrentocracy
[19:28:00] Beirdo: pretty much
[19:29:00] xris: The_Tick: I get good quality recordings via the svideo port on my Dish box... and 480p isn't bad if you want to go the pure digital route.
[19:29:00] xris: keep in mind that full HD is *huge*
[19:29:00] travolta: what if you are in japan and want to use mythtv and cut out commercials, thats illegal too i think
[19:29:00] The_Tick: xris: the problem would be my apt. complex :)
[19:29:00] xris: The_Tick: firewire == cable
[19:29:00] Beirdo: travolta: then you don't talk about it :)
[19:30:00] ** xris notes that this is not #mythtv-jp **
[19:31:00] Beirdo: if something's illegal where you are, don't discuss it (common sense)
[19:31:00] The_Tick: ya
[19:31:00] Beirdo: if it's illegal where the network is based (USA), best not discuss it either
[19:31:00] xris: Beirdo: except for distilling. we talk about that here.  :)
[19:31:00] Beirdo: we talk about it wishfully
[19:32:00] xris: well, except for the freezer kind
[19:32:00] Beirdo: not describing our stills that we don't have
[19:32:00] The_Tick: basically what i want to do is be able to convert my dvds to a catalogue so i can just select via a list instead of searching through them
[19:32:00] Beirdo: that's not precisely distilling, though :)
[19:32:00] The_Tick: and to record one show until it's newer seasons are on said dvd :D
[19:32:00] xris: The_Tick: mythvideo and/or mythdvd can do that
[19:32:00] xris: The_Tick: funny. that's what my wife does with stargate, too
[19:32:00] The_Tick: yea
[19:33:00] xris: and somehow I pay for it all. heh
[19:33:00] The_Tick: oh, so you can record stargate?
[19:33:00] The_Tick: sweet
[19:33:00] xris: why couldn't I?
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: xris: hehe I do that with stargate too :)
[19:33:00] The_Tick: hd, encryption, etc
[19:33:00] xris: I don't have HD
[19:33:00] xris: (there is no HD stargate in the US, anywy)
[19:33:00] The_Tick: ya, i don't think i'll need it
[19:33:00] GreyFoxx: I own every season that's available to buy, but I recorded them all and archived them until the dvd's came oiut :)
[19:33:00] cyberknet: I have HD, but I never got it working with myth.
[19:33:00] xris: GreyFoxx: yup
[19:34:00] The_Tick: ok, so what case do you guys have?
[19:34:00] cyberknet: I have a supported box, and over firewire.
[19:34:00] cyberknet: The_Tick: Antec Sonata
[19:34:00] xris: The_Tick: asus pundit (not -r)
[19:34:00] The_Tick: i'm looking for something that looks nice in the entertainment center :)
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[19:34:00] cyberknet: The_Tick: You'll be looking for a while then =)
[19:35:00] The_Tick: no, i found one for like 200 bucks
[19:35:00] cyberknet: The_Tick: that is, if you're also looking for cheap.
[19:35:00] The_Tick: ya, that's the cheap part kicking in ;)
[19:35:00] cyberknet: I wouldn't call you cheap for spending 200 on a case though.
[19:35:00] cyberknet: that's pretty reasonable.
[19:35:00] cyberknet: although the DVine cases are a lot more expensive than that =)
[19:35:00] Beirdo: and cyberknet knows about cheap :)
[19:36:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[19:36:00] cyberknet: Yessir, I know about cheap.
[19:36:00] cyberknet: I know all about cheap.
[19:36:00] Beirdo: the Sonata is a real nice case
[19:36:00] cyberknet: The Sonata is a really nice, really cheap, really quiet case.
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[19:36:00] Beirdo: and sexy black too
[19:36:00] cyberknet: worth every penny and then some.
[19:36:00] cyberknet: sexy piano black, even.
[19:37:00] cyberknet: very shiny.
[19:37:00] cyberknet: my wife scoffs me when I dust it off =P"
[19:37:00] Beirdo: one of mine has a very non-sexy gouge on the side though
[19:37:00] Beirdo: (have 4 of em so far)
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: What I'd love to find is a 5 1/4 insert that has a good vfd and a few buttons that I can program for things like pause/rwd/ffwd etc
[19:38:00] The_Tick: i have this 5 disc sony dvd player, i'm hoping this will fit right on top :P
[19:39:00] Beirdo: The_Tick: the Silverstone LC-10 and LC-11 (I think were the models) are AV-equipment-sized
[19:39:00] Beirdo: about the size of a DTS amp
[19:39:00] Beirdo: and not cheap, though
[19:39:00] cyberknet: no.
[19:40:00] cyberknet: good value, but not cheap.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: they are nice though
[19:40:00] The_Tick: ya, i'm looking at an ahanix mce301
[19:40:00] cyberknet: Beirdo: Isn't the Antec Aria also kind sexy?
[19:40:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:40:00] cyberknet: or is it not? I never remember.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: but they are cube and a bit cramped
[19:40:00] cyberknet: ah.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: especially as they are only microATX
[19:41:00] Beirdo: that's what I currently use
[19:41:00] The_Tick: how stable is mythtv?
[19:41:00] Beirdo: I've been using it since Nov 2003
[19:41:00] Beirdo: stable enough?
[19:41:00] The_Tick: any weirdness?
[19:41:00] cyberknet: The_Tick: I've had it run for up to three months at a time before I had to reboot for other issues.
[19:41:00] Beirdo: sometiomes
[19:42:00] The_Tick: nothing major like mysql database laughing at you at 2 am?
[19:42:00] The_Tick: :P
[19:42:00] kormoc: that's a mysql issue, not myth :P
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: The_Tick: The majority of problems people run into are usually related more to their hardware configuration problems than anything myth related
[19:42:00] The_Tick: heh
[19:43:00] ** The_Tick continues to look for best combinations then **
[19:44:00] kormoc: dual processor p3 500's + m179's are a bad combo in my experence :P
[19:46:00] cyberknet: kormoc: =)
[19:46:00] cyberknet: kormoc: trade your dual P3 500 for xris's dual Athlon MP
[19:46:00] cyberknet: =)
[19:48:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:48:00] kormoc: I doubt he'd like that trade :)
[19:50:00] cyberknet: perhaps not.
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[19:54:00] T0wner: hmm cna anyone give me some advice on getting zsnes to display full screen mde? Everytime I chnage the resolution as a non root user it crashes x windows :/
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[19:57:00] Beirdo: my problems were usually due to me running yet untested CVS code at the time
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: t0wn I use zsnes all the time without any crashing. The biggest problem I run into is that the nvidia drivers were resetting the overscan after zsnes
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: closed
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: I'm probably just gonna put a wrapper script around it to restore the overscan after it exist :)
[20:00:00] T0wner: hm
[20:00:00] T0wner: i think i read somewhere that if you run it as a non root it doesnt have permissions to change resolution and just crashes
[20:01:00] T0wner: now if i run it as root i have no problem but my mythtv is running as a different less privileged user
[20:01:00] travolta: so change the permissions on the file/device
[20:01:00] T0wner: no idea what it was and cant find it :(
[20:01:00] The_Tick: so ati or nvidia?
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: Does your X log say anything about why it crashed ?
[20:01:00] kormoc: The_Tick, nvidia
[20:01:00] T0wner: checking that now
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: I run mine as the user "mythtv"
[20:01:00] GreyFoxx: And the commandline zsnes -m -j -cs %s
[20:02:00] The_Tick: heh, i wonder if an xbox would work well for this :P
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[20:02:00] T0wner: did you run it as that user first and configured the video thoguh?
[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: T0wner: Actually no, I configured the video in the zsnes config file. But I did run it manually as the user to configure the gamepad buttons
[20:04:00] T0wner: hmm interesting
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: I'm using video mode 6 , which is "640x480 ODS FULL"
[20:05:00] T0wner: ODS? not OGL?
[20:06:00] T0wner: ill so the same as you did ;)
[20:07:00] T0wner: do*
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: In the past I've used OpenGL specifically. but that was what I used this time and so far haven't had a problem.
[20:08:00] T0wner: hehe cool thx shall try all that now
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[20:10:00] jasoncohen: GreyFoxx, i compiled ati_remote.c in Debian sarge with 2.6.11-1-k7 from etch but i'm getting an error when i try to modprobe saying it was compiled under the wrong architecture. "ati_remote: version magic '2.6.11-1-k7 386 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.11-1-k7 K7 gcc-3.3'". How do i fix it?
[20:11:00] jasoncohen: GreyFoxx, i would just use 2.6.11-1–386 but the tveeprom module is broken on that kernel and so bttv won't load
[20:11:00] jasoncohen: i asked in #debian but they told me it had something to do with the Makefile used to compile ati_remote and i would need to change that.
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[20:12:00] Randall64: jason: You didn't set $ARCH correctly?
[20:12:00] jasoncohen: where is that done?
[20:12:00] jasoncohen: i compiled ivtv and it worked fine
[20:12:00] jasoncohen: against the 2.6.11-1-k7 kernel headers
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[20:14:00] jasoncohen: weird../usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7/include/linux/compile.h shows the ARCH as 386
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[20:16:00] jasoncohen: i only seem to be having this problem with ati_remote. other modules were compiled correctly
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[20:19:00] jasoncohen: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/Makefile sets arch based on compile.h. The only compile.h that locate shows for 2.6.11 is in kernel-headers and that's set to 386
[20:19:00] Mrgoose: would anyone recommend nvidia over radeon
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[20:23:00] The_Tick: Mrgoose: someone just did
[20:23:00] The_Tick: kormoc: i believe
[20:23:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, yes, I would indeed
[20:23:00] kormoc: Mrgoose, *super duper strongly* recommend nvidia over ati
[20:23:00] Mrgoose: kormoc: why so? because of quality ? or because of driver support
[20:24:00] kormoc: driver support and quality, aye
[20:24:00] juski: Mrgoose – both ;-)
[20:24:00] Mrgoose: word
[20:24:00] Mrgoose: and by quality do you mean the picture looks better?
[20:24:00] kormoc: this radion 9000 at work is just aweful to setup, I have a very screwy nvidia setup at home that just works.
[20:24:00] kormoc: no, I can't really compair on that
[20:24:00] kormoc: but quality of the drivers, ati's crash a lot more then nvidia's do imho
[20:25:00] Mrgoose: so what do you mean by quality
[20:25:00] Mrgoose: oh
[20:25:00] kormoc: As well as ATI's missing a large feature set that nvidia has
[20:25:00] Mrgoose: not really
[20:25:00] juski: ATI just release products... they don't do much in the way of supporting them (even to the point of putting out unfinished software and promising features that never appear)
[20:25:00] Mrgoose: my radeon tvout works
[20:25:00] kormoc: can you use a unified back buffer accross multiple videocards/monitors?
[20:26:00] kormoc: is there something like nvidia-settings for ati?
[20:26:00] juski: but let's not turn this into a nvidia vs ATI debate.. it'll never stop
[20:26:00] Mrgoose: heh
[20:26:00] kormoc: juski, I'm actually courious, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
[20:26:00] juski: just concede that ATI are crap lol
[20:26:00] Mrgoose: i was just thinkin maybe nvidia picture quality was better because on my radeon some of my greens show up as red when im watching tv
[20:26:00] Mrgoose: and when im waching action scenes the picture gets a little funny
[20:27:00] kormoc: I don't have that issue with any of my nvidias
[20:27:00] juski: kormoc: seriously – ATI support for linux is er... limited at best, though they've been getting better
[20:28:00] kormoc: juski, Mrgoose was the one who said ATI's driver wasn't missing a large feature set. I totally know the limitations of the ati drivers. I know them all to well...
[20:28:00] ** kormoc shakes his fist at the lack of hardware accelleration with dual monitors on his 9000 **
[20:28:00] juski: they spend more time sorting out their windows drivers, which gives them enough to work on without worrying about us linux users
[20:29:00] Randall64: no drivers for ppclinux
[20:29:00] ** juski would never spend > $50 on a video card anyway **
[20:29:00] kormoc: juski doesn't play new games :P
[20:29:00] juski: kormoc: true :)
[20:30:00] juski: and I like my PC to be quiet without needing cryo cooling
[20:30:00] jasoncohen: Randall64, compile.h in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7/include/linux/ sets #define UTS_MACHINE 'i386'. do i need to change that to K7?
[20:30:00] Randall64: jason: nope
[20:31:00] jasoncohen: what do i need to change? it says it's getting it from compil.eh
[20:31:00] jasoncohen: *getting the arch from compile.h
[20:31:00] kormoc: jasoncohen, run make menuconfig, set it in there and let it do it's thing
[20:31:00] Randall64: I'd just reinstall the header deb, because it sounds like something played around.
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[20:35:00] GreyFoxx: man, vlc is pretty sweet
[20:38:00] quink: heh
[20:38:00] quink: so is mythstreamtv which uses vlc :P
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: I use that all the time now
[20:38:00] quink: yep.
[20:38:00] quink: no more nuvexport for me.
[20:39:00] quink: used to nuvexport at super crap settings so it'd encode and be able to download quick. now its vlc
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: but right now I'm using vlc to serve up some xvid's from home, streaming it to my desktop and running vlc there to reflect that out to various people in my office who want to watch
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: I'll get around to setting it up to multicast, but for now it's several unicasts streams to my box, but onnly 1 incoming unicast from home
[20:39:00] quink: i haven't tried any command line stuff though. i need to investigate this futer so i can serve up my movies
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[20:42:00] jasoncohen: kormoc, ok, i used make xconfig and changed the arch from 386 to K7
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[20:43:00] kormoc: jasoncohen, there ya go then.
[20:44:00] Randall64: Come on, debian-x86, stop Scanning disks...
[20:45:00] Beirdo: scan THIS
[20:45:00] Randall64: I'd need something with higher resolution.
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[20:46:00] Randall64: Oh, forgot to use a 2.6 kernel. Maybe this'll make it run on a modern machine.
[20:54:00] Randall64: I'm glad kernel development has slowed down to match debian's release cycles.
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: Is there even a kernel dev branch these days? I've yet to see anything about a 2.7 unstable cycle
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[20:55:00] Randall64: nope
[20:56:00] stoffel: isn't 2.6 the current dev tree?
[20:56:00] juski: I thought 2.6 was considered stable now
[20:56:00] Randall64: It's both!
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: They;'ve always done the unstable/dev stuff in an odd numbered version and "Stable" was the even numbers
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: but it's been a long while since I followed the kernel dev lists
[20:58:00] tim_: so will the next stable release be 2.7 than? or are they still gonna do evens and go to 2.8
[20:58:00] GreyFoxx: That's what I'm trying to find out :) I expect 2.7 to be a dev branch, 2.8 to be stable unless they've changed that policy.
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[21:01:00] Beirdo: kinda like 2.6 was "stable"
[21:01:00] Beirdo: whatever
[21:01:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:02:00] GreyFoxx: well, labeled that way anyway :)
[21:03:00] stoffel: it's stable till it crashes
[21:03:00] stoffel: which happened to me only once iirc
[21:04:00] Beirdo: 2.6 really was a development branch of the kernel. and that's just silly
[21:06:00] Chutt: nobody uses development code until it's declared stable.
[21:06:00] Chutt: always been that way, always will
[21:06:00] Chutt: 2.4 wasn't stable until .20 or so, either
[21:06:00] GreyFoxx: yeah I can see that]
[21:10:00] jasoncohen: how is 2.6.12?
[21:10:00] jasoncohen: i only had stability problems with 2.6.8
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[21:11:00] Krazylegz: uname -r
[21:11:00] Krazylegz: 2.6.6
[21:12:00] juski: I'm running 2.6.12 without any issues as far as I can tell (more than 30 days uptime)
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[21:14:00] safe: 2.6.10–5 is what i'm using probly most popular option atm
[21:15:00] safe: 2.6.12 is a lil young for me still
[21:15:00] hadees: GreyFoxx, did you ever notice that the Niveus remote cuts out some times? like after you press a bunch of buttons
[21:16:00] kormoc: safe, doesn't 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 have the memory bug?
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: hadees: Can't say I've noticed that
[21:16:00] juski: I don't think anything in 2.6.12 could be considered 'dangerous'
[21:16:00] hadees: GreyFoxx, how long did you use the niveus remote? i am wondering if it could be a usb power issue
[21:17:00] mchou: kormoc: what's the memory bug?
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: hadee's I've been using mine for about 1.5 years
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: +
[21:17:00] safe: not that i've seen kormoc, it's not about 2.6.12 being dangerous just a lil young
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: I hacked up the first version of the driver over XMas 2003
[21:18:00] hadees: GreyFoxx, you don't still use it though right? didn't you move on to something else?
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: No, I still use it every day :)
[21:18:00] juski: well I've got 2.6.12-rc1 running on a production myth backend & webserver
[21:18:00] hadees: well then, i guess it has to be a usb power issue or i have a broken niveus remote
[21:18:00] juski: still more stable than M$ cack lol
[21:18:00] kormoc: safe, they're onto 2.6.13 anyway, but yeah, I seem to recall that the memory bug went to .11, but it was only certain apps that triggered it (wine, cedega, cxoffice, etc)
[21:19:00] safe: possibly, i'll look into it and ya i noticed they were on 13 that should be interesting
[21:25:00] safe: theirs a illegal memory maping issue using mmap() in .10 is that what you were reffering to?
[21:30:00] Randall64: whose?
[21:54:00] diamon: So, is anyone using a PVR-150 who has good sound? Mine's pretty decent, but captures a lot higher treble and far less bass than the original show should have... If anyone doesn't have that problem, could they tell me their ivtv driver and HcwMakoA.ROM versions? Gotta be something there...
[21:59:00] kormoc: safe, no, it was a very large range of kernels it affected.
[22:01:00] ** juski watches a tumbleweed pass by... **
[22:02:00] ** diamon lurks patiently, stalking a usable answer.... **
[22:03:00] MonMotha: diamon: most capture cards seem to do that, I think many TVs may emphasize bass
[22:04:00] MonMotha: you could probably take care of it with a software equalizer
[22:04:00] diamon: MonMotha: I'm fairly sure I'm still having a problem, I still get some audio 'tinkle' and I'm surely getting clipping on sharp high-pitch sounds.
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[22:05:00] diamon: MonMotha: THat's worth a try too, I'll check the mixer. Doe a PVR-150 have a mixer directly itself, or would I be messing with all output?
[22:05:00] MonMotha: no, you'd have to muck with the output
[22:05:00] MonMotha: for reference though, I'm using the audio firmware off the CD with ivtv 3.6x
[22:05:00] Chutt: it has a volume control, but the ivtv drivers tend to not handle it right
[22:06:00] diamon: Chutt: Mine surely doesn't. It lies and says it accepted my volume settings, and doesn't change it.
[22:06:00] Chutt: right, ivtv's busted
[22:06:00] diamon: Same with VBI passthrough, so I still have funny lines for the top 2 or 3 rows of pixels.  :P
[22:07:00] MonMotha: yeah, I remember reading about that
[22:07:00] diamon: I was toying with building a 0.3.x driver for it to see if that helped, but who knows if it'll help or not...
[22:07:00] diamon: I mean, I'm cranky about the audio, but not so cranky that I want to break the whole thing.  :)
[22:08:00] MonMotha: heh, 2.x doesn't even WORK for me
[22:08:00] diamon: Works for me, just the audio is my only real problem. I can live with the VBI top-line wonkiness, but the clipping and high-pitch audio is not as much fun.
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[22:10:00] diamon: Yes, mythweb is working! I can't believe something so simple was so not-documented-at-freaking-all... Ah well.
[22:10:00] djperegrine: can someone take me through a step by step to show me how to get my ati readon 7500 tvout working?
[22:11:00] ** kormoc laughs. **
[22:11:00] diamon: Not me, sorry. I only have an ATI in my WIndows game system, everything else uses NVidia.
[22:11:00] kormoc: diamon, what issues did you have?
[22:11:00] juski: the mythtv developers use nvidia if that tells you anything at all
[22:12:00] diamon: kormoc: Issues what?
[22:12:00] Beirdo: djperegrine: toss it
[22:13:00] Beirdo: get a 8500 or newer if you want it to work :)
[22:13:00] Beirdo: or an nvidia card
[22:13:00] kormoc: diamon, with mythweb.
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[22:13:00] djperegrine: I have a intell celeron
[22:13:00] djperegrine: it has a tvout
[22:13:00] djperegrine: can I get that to work?
[22:14:00] djperegrine: Also I have a pvr150 MCE ( LP) and it has a svideo out
[22:14:00] Chutt: svideo IN
[22:14:00] Chutt: not out
[22:14:00] diamon: Oh. Once I found out all I had to freakin' do was turn on my own httpd, not at all. Everything talked about options for mythweb, building mythweb, removing mythweb, and nothing at all about what drove the interface.
[22:14:00] kormoc: djperegrine, and for the celeron, it depends on what videocard you have in it.
[22:15:00] diamon: Then I found one comment in a huge thread of folks asking how to get mythweb started where I found that bit of info, and it's up and done. Arrgh!
[22:15:00] djperegrine: I have no idea
[22:15:00] kormoc: diamon, ahh, that's cause it is a webpage, and one just assumes everyone knows one needs to use a webserver to serve them up.
[22:15:00] djperegrine: How can I find out?
[22:15:00] Randall64: djperegrine: lspci
[22:15:00] devinator: anyone in here ran mythstreamtv on a frontend that was seperate from the backened? This thing keeps trying to make vlc open myth://host:port/filename but vlc has no clue what myth:// is.. i looked on google and found nothing, but i cant beleive im the first one to run into this problem
[22:15:00] diamon: kormoc: Everything else so far has been a myth-driven program with its own executable.  :) That's what got me.
[22:16:00] diamon: I was looking for the program name and port it ran on, like everything else has, but no joy.
[22:16:00] djperegrine: Sis
[22:17:00] Randall64: dj: google is your friend
[22:17:00] djperegrine: umm Sis962 I think
[22:19:00] diamon: So, is anyone using a PVR-150 who has good sound? Mine's pretty decent, but captures a lot higher treble and far less bass than the original show should have... If anyone doesn't have that problem, could they tell me their ivtv driver version and HcwMakoA.ROM versions?
[22:19:00] diamon: Nothing else, just versions...
[22:20:00] djperegrine: diamon, just don'e use the HcwMakoa.rom file
[22:20:00] djperegrine: I had to switch my audio to 1 then it worked greate
[22:20:00] djperegrine: *great
[22:20:00] diamon: djpere: I don't think the driver runs without it... Switch your audio to 1?
[22:23:00] devinator: so, anyone here install mythstreamtv for mythweb on a box they used as a frontend only?
[22:23:00] devinator: obviously im trying to do the vlc encoding on a sepereate box than the backend..
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[22:32:00] devinator: [00000212] main input error: no suitable access module for `myth://192.168.0.8:6543/1032_20050715001500_20050715003000.nuv'
[22:32:00] devinator: i wonder where its getting myth:// from since i changed video_url in config/conf.php..
[22:33:00] diamon: Restarted the service after changing it?
[22:33:00] devinator: its just php
[22:33:00] devinator: but i did delete the session files a few times just incase that mattered
[22:33:00] diamon: I'm not sure if it needs it or not.
[22:34:00] devinator: mythstream seems to be saying to use myth:// because that new video_url setting takes effect on everything else in mythweb
[22:34:00] devinator: im trying to run mythstreamtv+mythweb on a mythfrontend to offload those from my backend
[22:34:00] devinator: i would think many people would do it this way
[22:35:00] devinator: but google doesnt give any good results for that vlc error
[22:36:00] devinator: i then tried nfs mounting the directory holding all my recordings on the backend to the same path on the frontend. still appends myth:// to everything it wants to stream. but on the backend, it looks on the local filesystem
[22:36:00] devinator: "it knows" ;p
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[22:36:00] tuxick: ok, what was the story with this? after booting box i alread get sound from a tv channel
[22:37:00] devinator: yay, sound is good
[22:37:00] tuxick: and then mythfrontend won't start because something is using /dev/dsp
[22:37:00] tuxick: devinator: no, this sucks :)
[22:38:00] The_Tick: tuxick: do you have lsof?
[22:38:00] diamon: tuxick: Must be a BT8x8 card then, yes?
[22:38:00] tuxick: diamon: ye
[22:38:00] The_Tick: if so, just do lsof | grep -i dsp
[22:38:00] tuxick: The_Tick: sure
[22:38:00] The_Tick: might work :D
[22:38:00] tuxick: nono, checked that
[22:38:00] tuxick: there's no software involved
[22:38:00] The_Tick: hmm
[22:38:00] The_Tick: weird
[22:39:00] tuxick: annoying too
[22:39:00] The_Tick: i'm trying to decide on a sound card
[22:39:00] tuxick: it was something with analog vs btaudio
[22:39:00] tuxick: checking my old notes
[22:40:00] tuxick: and not to mention )(#$*)( alsa, artsd, /dev/dsp etc
[22:40:00] tuxick: many permutations instead of one reliable system
[22:41:00] kormoc: tuxick, you need to mute the playback of the capture mixer device
[22:42:00] kormoc: it's all in the myth howto.
[22:42:00] kormoc: and documents
[22:42:00] tuxick: oh good
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[22:44:00] tuxick: that fedora howto said not to use artsd
[22:45:00] ** kormoc nods **
[22:45:00] kormoc: this doesn't involve arts at all anyway
[22:45:00] tuxick: well, clicking around in the mixer did kill the sound
[22:46:00] tuxick: but frontend is still convinced something is using dsp
[22:46:00] kormoc: that's a different issue
[22:46:00] mchou: is 1394b backwards compatible with 1394a?
[22:46:00] tuxick: back to setup i suppose
[22:46:00] juski: does anybody here know what's been going on in terms of mythmusic development (like being able to play videos & better database searches)?
[22:46:00] kormoc: tuxick, if you have artsd or esd running, they are using /dev/dsp
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[22:46:00] mchou: like you can plug a usb1.1 into a usb2 port?
[22:47:00] kormoc: juski, mythvideo plays videos, mythmusic plays music and it's not very fast developed, no
[22:47:00] kormoc: mchou, yes, you should be able to
[22:47:00] diamon: Which reminds me, I need to get a firewire card myself...
[22:48:00] kormoc: mchou, now, if you plug in a usb 1, the entire hub that it is plugged into drops to 1 or 1.1. as well.
[22:48:00] mchou: well, I meant the other way around. 1394a device into 1394b "card"
[22:48:00] juski: kormoc – I know that – just remember reading that mythmusic being able to play music vids might be in the pipeline
[22:48:00] Chutt: you can do arbitrary db searches in mythmusic
[22:48:00] laga: hi juski
[22:48:00] juski: hi laga
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[22:49:00] tuxick: kormoc: yesterday i got sound
[22:49:00] juski: I know I can do arbitrary searches... guess I'll just have to buy a wireless keyboard then
[22:49:00] tuxick: just over wrong channel
[22:49:00] kormoc: mchou, ooh, my understanding is that it is then device limited. if the device supports 1.1/2.0 it will work on a 1.1 card, but if it's a 2.0 only, then no.
[22:49:00] tuxick: it was out of sync :)
[22:49:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[22:50:00] Chutt: kind of hard to fill in fields otherwise :p
[22:50:00] kormoc: have you tried resetting the comptuer to make sure nothing's really odd?
[22:50:00] tuxick: i just booted it
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[22:50:00] ** Beirdo cues some Van Halen.. maybe this will keep me from falling asleep at work **
[22:50:00] tuxick: first thing i did was starting up myth'
[22:50:00] kormoc: mornin slicer.
[22:50:00] juski: that 'phone' style of entering text is next to useless.. and has zero WAF lol
[22:50:00] kormoc: tuxick, and lsof says nothing is using it?
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[22:54:00] tuxick: kormoc: yup
[22:54:00] kormoc: tuxick, you sure /dev/dsp is your sound card and not say the tv card?
[22:55:00] tuxick: got it, dsp1 :)
[22:55:00] tuxick: i think
[22:55:00] tuxick: sec
[22:55:00] laga: juski: there was a patch to enable some kind of on screen keyboard, search the -dev list
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[22:56:00] juski: will try that laga. hope it doesn't involve CVS tho
[22:56:00] laga: juski: more like SVN, i believe
[22:57:00] xris: Chutt: heya. (grumbles about firewall troubles)
[22:58:00] juski: oh yeah they dumped cvs didn't they?
[22:58:00] mchou: juski: who dumped cvs?
[22:59:00] Chutt: xris, i committed a patch to your stuff last night :p
[23:00:00] xris: oh?
[23:01:00] xris: got a revision
[23:01:00] xris: ...number?
[23:01:00] Chutt: a per-recording schedule timestretch thingie
[23:01:00] Chutt: yeah, sec
[23:01:00] Chutt: 6865
[23:01:00] Chutt: had a mythtv + a mythweb component, and the mythweb stuff looked reasonable
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[23:02:00] tuxick: heh, after removing snd_bt87x and loading btaudio i get lagged sound, using either /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1
[23:02:00] Chutt: so i just went and applied both, instead of waiting for you
[23:02:00] tuxick: great
[23:02:00] tuxick: i did see notes about bt somewhere
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[23:05:00] juski: laga: had a good search – couldn't find it
[23:05:00] juski: I'll find some other way to make playlists for mrs juski
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[23:08:00] mchou: salut mirak how goes Tour De France?
[23:08:00] ** tuxick sighs **
[23:08:00] mirak: don't know
[23:09:00] mirak: I guess amstrong is first
[23:09:00] mirak: it's boring
[23:09:00] mchou: looks like he is going to get a 7th
[23:09:00] Beirdo: and his last
[23:09:00] juski: found! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . oard;#139526
[23:09:00] mchou: that's just incredible.
[23:09:00] Beirdo: unless he changes his mind again
[23:09:00] mchou: again?
[23:10:00] Beirdo: yeah, his comeback is impressive
[23:10:00] mirak: unless is body can't get more steroids
[23:10:00] mchou: lol
[23:10:00] Beirdo: yeah, he said a couple years ago that he was going to retire
[23:10:00] mirak: I mean
[23:10:00] stoffel: just to fool Uli
[23:10:00] Beirdo: yup
[23:10:00] mirak: the problem is that in front of such a performance you really can only have doubts
[23:10:00] Beirdo: this time, I think he's actually maybe done
[23:10:00] mirak: he is good in strategy that's true
[23:11:00] mirak: but well physically he never fails
[23:11:00] mirak: it's not human
[23:11:00] mchou: hehe
[23:11:00] Beirdo: it's training
[23:11:00] mchou: lol
[23:11:00] Beirdo: in the mountains north of Santa Barbara...
[23:11:00] mirak: don't tel me you have ZERO suspcission
[23:11:00] mirak: I don't say he is guilty
[23:11:00] mchou: I do have some suspicions
[23:11:00] mirak: but I think we can have some
[23:11:00] Beirdo: I suspect all athletes, they find ways to hide all kinds of shit
[23:12:00] mchou: he doesnt win any other races :)
[23:12:00] Beirdo: I don't think it matters
[23:12:00] mirak: Beirdo: yes after all
[23:12:00] mirak: they all do it
[23:12:00] Beirdo: pretty much
[23:12:00] mchou: spoken like a true frenchie :)
[23:13:00] ** Beirdo slaps mchou with a baguette **
[23:13:00] mchou: merde!
[23:13:00] mchou: fou!
[23:13:00] Beirdo: a baguette when nice and stale would make a nice weapon
[23:13:00] mirak: I am eating a baguette
[23:13:00] Beirdo: hopefully not TOO stale :)
[23:14:00] Beirdo: good food
[23:14:00] mchou: sigh. discovery channel sent me a keychain.
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[23:14:00] mchou: I'd much rather they sent me a water bottle :)
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[23:23:00] mirak: and I am eating cheese with the baguette mchou Beirdo
[23:24:00] Beirdo: good job
[23:24:00] Beirdo: I'd do butter or cheese
[23:24:00] mirak: I do both most of the time
[23:24:00] Beirdo: heh
[23:24:00] Beirdo: there ya go
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[23:28:00] xris: Chutt: svn.mythtv.org not responding?
[23:28:00] Chutt: was a few minutes ago
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[23:29:00] xris: odd
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[23:29:00] xris: odd, works now.
[23:30:00] ** kormoc ponders main computer upgrade. **
[23:30:00] xris: looks ok other than the silly use of printf
[23:30:00] beavis: do you have an idea why some of my dvb recordings lose the sound after 10–20minutes? (
[23:31:00] beavis: (pressing + doesn't help)
[23:31:00] xris: oh, I see why he did it.
[23:31:00] juski: beavis: possibly the channel changing audio PIDs on the fly
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[23:34:00] beavis: hmm, the PID should stay the same during a recording
[23:35:00] Chutt: not true
[23:35:00] juski: beavis: not if the broadcaster changes it :(
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[23:36:00] juski: in the UK it tends to be only ITV who do that – and that doesn't bother me much coz I don't watch their channels
[23:36:00] xris: Chutt: can you do me a favor and set php_path to nothing in trac.ini?
[23:37:00] xris: (nothing meaning a blank string, not "nothing")
[23:38:00] xris: Chutt: sorry, what really needs to be is have this added: [disabled_components]\ntrac.mimeview.php = yes
[23:39:00] beavis: juski: but it should record all the audio tracks when I use TS, shouldn't it?
[23:40:00] juski: beavis: we're not talking audio tracks here. if they change the PID of video or audio mid-stream before myth caught up, you'd lose them altogether
[23:40:00] Chutt: done
[23:41:00] juski: AFAIK they're technically not supposed to change the PIDs very often
[23:41:00] MonMotha: beavis: I don't think the TS->PS demuxer in MythTV is particularly smart. I believe that option is more to work around buggy hardware demuxers
[23:41:00] Chutt: or just record to ts
[23:42:00] Chutt: works better
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[23:43:00] beavis: I'm always using TS, dopester said PS will be deprecated soon IIRC
[23:44:00] MonMotha: interesting...
[23:44:00] juski: even with TS though it won't record a whole mux, which is what you'd need to do to catch all the possible PIDs isn't it?
[23:44:00] mishehu: ok, this is annoying... it seems that mpeg2dec is using 32bit asm in it, and I need it for transcode...
[23:44:00] MonMotha: oh, their still doing a TS/TS remux?
[23:44:00] mishehu: and I'm running on an em64t and an amd64
[23:45:00] diamon: Won't it fallback to 32bit as needed?
[23:45:00] MonMotha: because if you rip the transport stream straight off a DVB/ATSC card, you'll get everything, including subchannels (which incidentally, would be a really neat feature: recognize if something is to be recorded on two subchannels of the same mux and don't mark it as a conflict)
[23:45:00] ** juski is still (impatiently) waiting for his dbox2 to arrive **
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[23:46:00] xris: Chutt: thanks tons.  :)
[23:47:00] laga: juski: nice! mine works great. however, the EPG doesn't work ATM. i hope that a reboot will fix that ;)
[23:47:00] beavis: laga: so just reboot ;)
[23:47:00] juski: laga: you saying that it can be integrated into mythtv?
[23:48:00] beavis: yes with levons patch
[23:48:00] juski: :D
[23:48:00] laga: umm, of course ;)
[23:48:00] juski: er... like wow!
[23:49:00] juski: not that I thought it'd be impossible.. just hadn't occurred to me it'd already been done lol
[23:49:00] laga: juski: heh. search the -devml :>. there is some documentation in his latest patch, too
[23:49:00] MonMotha: you mean there are broadcasters that put useful (read: correct) guide data in their EPG?
[23:49:00] juski: I thought they frowned on enabling myth to work with naughty hardware...
[23:50:00] Chutt: heh
[23:50:00] EL_Whistey: What is naughty hardware?
[23:50:00] diamon: naughty hardware... Now *there's* a mental picture I'll have hell getting out of my head...
[23:50:00] Chutt: the 1080p serenity trailer looks nifty
[23:50:00] MonMotha: 1080*p*? where...
[23:50:00] fatmatt: ooh, theres a trailer
[23:50:00] Chutt: apple
[23:50:00] ** laga beats EL_Whistey over the head with the bat **
[23:50:00] Chutt: been out for a while
[23:50:00] MonMotha: oh, great...so I can't play it
[23:51:00] juski: you mean dboxes have (cough) legitimate uses? ;-)
[23:51:00] MonMotha: Sorenson?
[23:51:00] Chutt: why?
[23:51:00] fatmatt: I'm out of the Serenity loop
[23:51:00] Chutt: uh
[23:51:00] Chutt: h264
[23:51:00] EL_Whistey: bat?
[23:51:00] MonMotha: oh, I can play that
[23:51:00] diamon: Serenity looks way too awesome.
[23:51:00] Chutt: myth plays it just fine
[23:51:00] Chutt: if you have the cpu, that is
[23:51:00] laga: juski: of course. i've paid for my subscription ;)
[23:51:00] MonMotha: I thought MythTV just called mplayer for things like that?
[23:51:00] Chutt: hell no
[23:51:00] EL_Whistey: naughty hardware, bats. I need coffee.
[23:51:00] MonMotha: that's all MythVideo did back when I was tinkering with it
[23:51:00] MonMotha: kinda sucked, actually...
[23:52:00] Chutt: sure, mythvideo does
[23:52:00] diamon: EL_Whitey: So....bats make you want coffee? Or naughty hardware does?
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[23:52:00] MonMotha: how are you playing an external video with MythTV then?
[23:52:00] juski: lucky thing I upgraded my backend from 800mhz then
[23:52:00] juski: oh wait a minute. is this mythtv integration for recording or being a frontend?
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[23:53:00] Chutt: the internal player
[23:53:00] laga: juski: for recording.
[23:53:00] juski: w00t
[23:53:00] laga: juski: ack
[23:53:00] MonMotha: I wasn't aware mythtv had an internal player...
[23:53:00] MonMotha: is taht a compile time option or something?
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[23:53:00] ** juski blushes **
[23:54:00] Chutt: no?
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[23:54:00] MonMotha: where exactly is this player at on the meny?
[23:54:00] MonMotha: manu
[23:54:00] Chutt: it's been in and documented for ages
[23:54:00] MonMotha: bleh
[23:54:00] laga: menu?
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[23:54:00] MonMotha: so it's not on the menu...
[23:54:00] laga: MonMotha: try 'watch TV' for example.
[23:54:00] MonMotha: ok...
[23:55:00] Chutt: that's the internal player
[23:55:00] MonMotha: so you're watching this frmo the "watch recordings" menu, yet it was downloaded from apple...how did you teach mythtv about this recording?
[23:55:00] juski: so now all I need to do is pray that my dbox turns up sometime
[23:55:00] laga: juski: yep.
[23:56:00] Chutt: who said i was watching it from the watch recordings menu?
[23:56:00] juski: I'm pretty pissed at the guy I'm purchasing from... he has zero communication skills. been 3 weeks now and i've not even had a tracking # from him :-(
[23:56:00] MonMotha: Chutt: ok, so where are you playing this from?
[23:56:00] Chutt: the command line
[23:57:00] MonMotha: what command? all I have that's relevant is the mythfrontend
[23:57:00] Chutt: 'mythtv <blah>'
[23:57:00] Chutt: or just could use mythvideo with the internal player turned on
[23:58:00] MonMotha: ok...
[23:58:00] MonMotha: wow...as usual, no manpage
[23:58:00] MonMotha: great docs
[23:58:00] laga: write your own
[23:58:00] Chutt: it's the test app
[23:58:00] Chutt: it doesn't need a fucking manpage
[23:59:00] MonMotha: ok, so where are these wonderful docs you mentioned?
[23:59:00] MonMotha: on some website that I'm suppsoed to pull the URL for out of my ass?
[23:59:00] Chutt: when you go to set up a player for mythvideo
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[23:59:00] Chutt: it says:

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