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| [00:00:00] | mcglothi: | yeah, I flipped through all the inputs |
| [00:01:00] | stoffel_: | dunno then, i don't have such a card |
| [00:01:00] | mcglothi: | I think I may have found it... going through setup for the mpeg4 recording profiles right now |
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| [00:04:00] | mcglothi: | ah ok.. that was it! needed to setup the mpeg4 recording profile. now I just need to get audio working with it :-) |
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| [00:12:00] | djperegrine: | When I do -vo vesa in mplayer I cannot quit |
| [00:12:00] | Discipulus: | so I could have a box in my living room recording data, and watch whatever it's recording in my room as long as I have a MythTV box in there too? |
| [00:12:00] | bomba: | djperegrine: too legit? |
| [00:13:00] | djperegrine: | ? |
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| [00:13:00] | djperegrine: | too legit? |
| [00:13:00] | djperegrine: | what? |
| [00:13:00] | bomba: | Discipulus: yes |
| [00:14:00] | djperegrine: | what does that mean? |
| [00:14:00] | diamon: | djpere: It's a bad pun. If you didn't get it, be glad. Anyway, does it operate properly aside from not quitting? |
| [00:14:00] | djperegrine: | yep |
| [00:14:00] | djperegrine: | perfect |
| [00:14:00] | djperegrine: | perfect? |
| [00:14:00] | djperegrine: | Eer |
| [00:15:00] | djperegrine: | I meant lame :P |
| [00:15:00] | djperegrine: | ( accedently pressed up :P) |
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| [00:15:00] | djperegrine: | oh and I am accessing it via mythfrontend btw |
| [00:15:00] | djperegrine: | but I still should be able to quit |
| [00:17:00] | diamon: | It should be able to quit like normal, but some video cards don't do the VESA modes properly. Can you try it under xv and see if it still locks up? You may also have better luck using DIrectFB or svga, but the svga option should really be a last-resort. Quality's low and it gobbles CPU. |
| [00:18:00] | Discipulus: | Alright, so how much would it cost to build a good MythTV box (with the hardware decoders) |
| [00:22:00] | djperegrine: | xv doesn't work ata all |
| [00:22:00] | djperegrine: | can't even find it |
| [00:22:00] | djperegrine: | I am using the standard vesa drivers |
| [00:22:00] | djperegrine: | for display |
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| [00:23:00] | diamon: | Odd... |
| [00:25:00] | defaultro: | anyone seen nuvola theme? It's cool |
| [00:26:00] | diamon: | Discipulus: Depends on what you want it to do, etc, and how much recording/viewing you want to have happen. Call it $100 per PVR-150 card, $100 for a good Mobo, 1–200 for a good AMD-based CPU, 100+ for a hard drive of a decent size, case, etc. Couple hundred, really. Call it $700–900 from scratch, depending. |
| [00:26:00] | diamon: | djpere: XV doesn't work... That's really odd. I don't understand why it wouldn't... |
| [00:28:00] | Discipulus: | diamon, so how can TiVo build one so cheap? |
| [00:29:00] | diamon: | It's dedicated to the task, and mass-produced. Dedicated systems need lesser hardware, since everything is crafted for one set of tasks. |
| [00:29:00] | Discipulus: | so how much would it cost to build a tivo-duplicate? |
| [00:29:00] | diamon: | I think the first-gen Tivo had a 50-ish Mhz PPC chip and something like 32Mb or 64Mb of RAM. Doesn't need much if you craft it tight. |
| [00:30:00] | Discipulus: | what sort of TV card is in the TiVo? |
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| [00:31:00] | diamon: | Well, for the closest to a Tivo you can get, that say *I* could build, I'd use an old P3–500 I have here, and a PVR-500 for 2 tuners, and some old memory I had handy, and all I'd need to buy would be the card and a hard drive, so call it $200–300? |
| [00:31:00] | bomba: | Discipulus: the TiVo is not a PC, it is all custom |
| [00:31:00] | DanMeister: | Morning all ... |
| [00:31:00] | diamon: | Very custom. |
| [00:31:00] | Discipulus: | why would you use 2 tuners? |
| [00:32:00] | bomba: | many channels |
| [00:32:00] | diamon: | So I could watch one and record on another. :) |
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| [00:32:00] | diamon: | I mean, what if Cops was on while Battlestar Galactica was? Right now with one tuner I have to keep setting recording priorities. Two would make my life easier, but I didn't think it fully over at first. |
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| [00:34:00] | diamon: | I do think first-gen TiVos only had one tuner though, so I'm just being picky. |
| [00:37:00] | tim: | hey all, I get this error when I try to 'make' ivtv drivers....also the output of the 'make' command it seems like every other line is a warning or error |
| [00:37:00] | tim: | http://pastebin.ca/17344 |
| [00:37:00] | tim: | any ideas? |
| [00:38:00] | Discipulus: | diamon, so is there really a purpose to the 13 dollar monthly fee that tivo charges? |
| [00:38:00] | tim: | i'm guessing since every line seems to give me errors that maybe it has something to do w/ the kernel source, but i've installed the headers via apt...do I need to do anything else? |
| [00:38:00] | diamon: | It pays for access to updates and the channel data. |
| [00:39:00] | Discipulus: | ah |
| [00:39:00] | diamon: | tim: Those 'defined but unused' errors are harmless. Something else is killing the compile. |
| [00:39:00] | Discipulus: | alright |
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| [00:39:00] | diamon: | Disc: And phone support I suppose, etc. |
| [00:39:00] | Discipulus: | yea |
| [00:39:00] | Discipulus: | so how does MythTV get channel data? |
| [00:40:00] | shido6: | any AIW 9800 fixes for linux and mythtv? |
| [00:40:00] | shido6: | or MSI tv anywhere |
| [00:42:00] | tim: | diamon, yea I figured i'd post em anyways :-P....any ideas as to what could be causing it? |
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| [00:47:00] | diamon: | Discipulus: You can pay Zap2it for channel data, or you can answer a usage survey every 3 months or so. |
| [00:48:00] | diamon: | tim: WIthout the actual error in question, I have no idea what it's unhappy about. |
| [00:50:00] | tim: | diamon, http://pastebin.ca/17346...that is a large portion of the output....every line seems to be an error or a warning |
| [00:52:00] | djperegrine: | does mplayer work with swf files? |
| [00:53:00] | diamon: | tim: Ok, that looks like it's missing headers, or kernel source, or that source never had a 'make menuconfig' run against it to link the correct headers to it. |
| [00:53:00] | tim: | hrm |
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| [00:54:00] | diamon: | djperegrine: You know, I'm not sure. I don't think so though, .swf is ShockWave Flash. |
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| [00:57:00] | Chacabaou: | Is there any indicator (like a lock-file) showing that mythfrontend is running _and_ watching LiveTV or a recording? I need to disable DPMS based on it. |
| [00:58:00] | Discipulus: | so MythTV requires an internet connection? |
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| [00:59:00] | MonMotha: | for getting guide data, yes |
| [01:00:00] | MonMotha: | in certain areas, you can pull it off the air if you're using digital TV, but even then it's usually pretty unreliable (or downright wrong, around here) |
| [01:03:00] | Discipulus: | What if you use Satellite? |
| [01:03:00] | MonMotha: | depends. Where are you located? |
| [01:03:00] | Discipulus: | cuz I know the satellite reciever isn't hooked up the phoneline |
| [01:03:00] | Discipulus: | Northern Illinois |
| [01:03:00] | Chacabaou: | Discipulus: I got DVB-S in germany and still use XMLTV, since there's more (reliable) information. |
| [01:03:00] | MonMotha: | if you're in the USA, you're not even going to be doign that digitally |
| [01:04:00] | MonMotha: | yep, you'll be pulling that signal analog off the composite (or at best, svideo) output, so you'll still need guide data |
| [01:04:00] | Discipulus: | Yea, I'm in the USA |
| [01:04:00] | MonMotha: | digital sat in the USA sucks for PVR setups |
| [01:04:00] | MonMotha: | in DVB land, you can just get a DVB-S card and you're good (though the guide data can still suck) |
| [01:04:00] | Discipulus: | oh |
| [01:04:00] | Discipulus: | damn |
| [01:05:00] | MonMotha: | same with digital cable, have to use their STB normally (though at least you can use IEEE1394 and avoid a D->A->D and reencode) |
| [01:05:00] | Discipulus: | STB? |
| [01:05:00] | MonMotha: | set top box |
| [01:05:00] | Discipulus: | what's that? The digital cable box they install for you? |
| [01:06:00] | MonMotha: | yeah |
| [01:06:00] | MonMotha: | or did you think you could just hook it up to a tuner card and get digital? :) |
| [01:06:00] | Discipulus: | I didn't know |
| [01:06:00] | Discipulus: | so how you gotta do it if you got digital cable? |
| [01:06:00] | MonMotha: | there are tuners capable of demoding USA digital cable (I have one, in fact), but it's all encrypted |
| [01:06:00] | bomba: | IEEE1394 to your cable box |
| [01:07:00] | MonMotha: | you use the set top box and hook it up to your computer via IEEE1394 (or you can do it the same was as sat and just run Svideo from the STB to a captue card, looks like shit and HD doesn't work though) |
| [01:07:00] | Discipulus: | ah |
| [01:07:00] | Discipulus: | IEEE1394 ? |
| [01:07:00] | MonMotha: | eventually we *may* see linux compatible QAM256 with cable cards |
| [01:07:00] | MonMotha: | you probably know IEEE1394 as "firewire" |
| [01:08:00] | Discipulus: | ah, alright |
| [01:08:00] | Discipulus: | gotcha |
| [01:08:00] | mishehu: | you're firewired! |
| [01:09:00] | Discipulus: | lol |
| [01:09:00] | MonMotha: | hell, if I could get the required specs (I can't), I'd sit down and start designing a linux compatible QAM256/8VSB tuner with cable card support right now |
| [01:10:00] | diamon: | Bah, I don't get why my audio when I record is much worse quality than when I watch live TV. This is getting very annoying. |
| [01:11:00] | bomba: | diamon: are the settings the same/ |
| [01:12:00] | MonMotha: | I find that with my crappy bttv tuner, MP3 compression actually HELPS because it applies such a bad passband that removes the high and low pitched crap my tuner generates from the FM demod |
| [01:12:00] | MonMotha: | so doing uncompressed for live tv may not actually give you better audio, if you're doing that |
| [01:12:00] | MonMotha: | better sounding, at least |
| [01:12:00] | diamon: | bomba: Yeah, I matched them all up. |
| [01:12:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: It's the output from a PVR-150, so I just set it to output at 192kbit. |
| [01:15:00] | djperegrine: | I am about to buy a tv tuner |
| [01:15:00] | MonMotha: | 192kbit is pretty low quality for MPEG layer II audio |
| [01:15:00] | djperegrine: | which one should I buy |
| [01:15:00] | MonMotha: | the PVR-150 doesn't do MP3 audio |
| [01:16:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: the PVR series is great, if you can find a deal on it, because it does encoding in hardware |
| [01:16:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: If I go higher, quality gets progressively worse. |
| [01:16:00] | MonMotha: | otherwise, something cheap like a WinTV Go is fine, though the quality isn't as good and CPU usage is much higher |
| [01:16:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: so higher bitrates yield lower quality audio |
| [01:16:00] | MonMotha: | ? |
| [01:16:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: Yeah, if I go higher than 192 it keeps getting worse, with 384Kbit sounding like a 64kbit mp3. |
| [01:17:00] | MonMotha: | ok, something's messed up there |
| [01:17:00] | diamon: | And i just replaced a bt878 with this PVR-150. :) |
| [01:17:00] | defaultro: | anyone knows when dvb subtitles will be supported in U.S.? |
| [01:18:00] | djperegrine: | I've seen 20 dollar cards |
| [01:18:00] | djperegrine: | Why would I want to spend like 100 bucks on one ? |
| [01:18:00] | diamon: | And I still can't get Myth to leave the damned DVI stuff off. I disable it before starting Myth, and it's re-enabled once I go back in. |
| [01:19:00] | diamon: | djpere: I find it worth more to get stereo-capable cards myself. The video quality off my PVR-150 is very nice, I just need to figure out how I buggered up the audio and I'm golden. |
| [01:20:00] | djperegrine: | my shitty tv is mono anyway |
| [01:21:00] | djperegrine: | is TV even broadcasted in stero? |
| [01:21:00] | diamon: | Broadcast? Like over-the-air? Not sure, but I think so. |
| [01:21:00] | rpete: | yeah, it is |
| [01:21:00] | djperegrine: | oh |
| [01:21:00] | djperegrine: | I have cable |
| [01:21:00] | Discipulus: | diamon, what's a good hardware decoding card? |
| [01:21:00] | diamon: | If you don't care, then that's the important part. I'm VERY audio-hypersensitive, I can't stand MP3's below 128Kbit, and prefer 192/224kbit. |
| [01:22:00] | djperegrine: | uea |
| [01:22:00] | defaultro: | djperegrine, yes, some channels are broadcast in stereo. I'm getting 5.1 channels :) |
| [01:22:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: the reason the PVR series is more expensive is because of the hardware encoder |
| [01:22:00] | diamon: | Disciplus: PVR-250 seems excellently supported at about $150 from Compusa.com, the 150 is the 'newer' card and not quite as well supported, which is why I'm still buggering with it. The 150 runs about $100 from the same place. |
| [01:22:00] | djperegrine: | Noice :D |
| [01:23:00] | djperegrine: | 150 is a lot |
| [01:23:00] | defaultro: | i'm using myth's ac3 passthrough and have my receiver decode it |
| [01:23:00] | djperegrine: | I need a fan and wifi keyboard and mouse to |
| [01:23:00] | MonMotha: | basically, the difference between 95% CPU usage during recording and 5% |
| [01:23:00] | diamon: | defaultro: 5.1 channels? That's spiff. I haven't finished up my basic audio problems enough to see what my surround stuff will do yet. |
| [01:24:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [01:24:00] | MonMotha: | I don't have a surround setup, so I just stick with stereo |
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| [01:24:00] | defaultro: | I'm very happy with myth |
| [01:24:00] | defaultro: | i had the issues before |
| [01:24:00] | diamon: | Yeah, I went from 80% when recording and playing back at the same time, down to 20% for the same thing with the PVR-150, on an AMD Sempron 3100+. |
| [01:24:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [01:24:00] | MonMotha: | my only big complaint with mythtv at this point is that it is very not tolerant of DTV signal issues |
| [01:24:00] | Discipulus: | what card does the TiVo have in it? |
| [01:24:00] | diamon: | defaultro: How'd you get it to 'see' surround? I want that one. :) |
| [01:24:00] | defaultro: | mine is currently at 37–45% |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | Discipulus: not a card really, but I think it may have the same conexant encoder as the PVR-250 uses |
| [01:25:00] | defaultro: | it's however an air2pc card |
| [01:25:00] | diamon: | Disc: No idea. Probably some custom card akin to the 250. |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | that's a really popular mpeg encoder |
| [01:25:00] | defaultro: | i'm getting high definition broadcast |
| [01:25:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, ah, alright |
| [01:25:00] | defaultro: | atsc or hdtv |
| [01:25:00] | diamon: | Default: That's cool to know, that was another card I wanted to get shortly. |
| [01:25:00] | defaultro: | it's very sweet |
| [01:25:00] | Discipulus: | Alright, I've decided two things |
| [01:25:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, I have to do all sorts of nastiness to get my digital stuff to downgrade from 5.1 to stereo without bitching at me |
| [01:25:00] | Discipulus: | and that's when I get a job I'm gonna pour all my money into 2 things: |
| [01:26:00] | defaultro: | i am telling you, i didn't waste my $160 for this card |
| [01:26:00] | Discipulus: | a) an awesome MythTV system |
| [01:26:00] | MonMotha: | I have a pcHDTV 3000, from before the Air2PC came out |
| [01:26:00] | Discipulus: | b) a kick ass Home Automation Embedded System |
| [01:26:00] | defaultro: | now, i have created about 7 .iso of my dvds and using MythVideo |
| [01:26:00] | Discipulus: | running Linux of course :-D |
| [01:26:00] | defaultro: | it's AWESOME |
| [01:26:00] | defaultro: | I'm using xine to play the .iso files |
| [01:26:00] | djperegrine: | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . pricegrabber |
| [01:26:00] | djperegrine: | Will that work? |
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| [01:26:00] | MonMotha: | bah, if you want to rip dvds, check out dvd::rip |
| [01:26:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, got to go |
| [01:27:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: no, I don't think so |
| [01:27:00] | diamon: | defaultro: Yeah, I just import my DVD's and watch them that way. |
| [01:27:00] | defaultro: | i'm just using dvdshrink to .iso it with no compression. Once done, I ftp the iso to my myth box. BAM! |
| [01:27:00] | defaultro: | 2hr movie is about 7.8 gigs |
| [01:27:00] | defaultro: | but I'm very glad |
| [01:27:00] | defaultro: | the newest xine can send DTS stream to my receiver |
| [01:27:00] | diamon: | That's why I'm willing to add 250Gb drives as needed for my space requirements. :P |
| [01:28:00] | defaultro: | yeah, I need more space too |
| [01:28:00] | defaultro: | i only have 60gig left :( |
| [01:28:00] | defaultro: | aight guys, brb in 2 hours |
| [01:28:00] | defaultro: | just some bbq at my neighbor |
| [01:28:00] | diamon: | Later, defaultro! Gotta hit the store myself, I'll lurk for a bit. |
| [01:28:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: pretty much, I'd stick with Hauppage stuff. It's not the greatest quality, but most of it is supported |
| [01:29:00] | diamon: | Then I'll go bugger around with my rom and firmware and see if I can fix the audio oddness. That's my biggest bet, I think someone's buggy or mismatched. |
| [01:29:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: you could try newer firmware for the audio encoder (HcwMako.ROM) |
| [01:29:00] | MonMotha: | or older, whichever way |
| [01:30:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: the exception is HD stuff, where your two choices are the Air2PC and the pcHDTV 3000 (though the DVB guys recently got another ATSC land card working), at least in the US |
| [01:30:00] | diamon: | I got the latest rom for it already, so I was going to try getting the firmware out of the same driver package (came with the atrpm distro) and see how that does, or revert to a 'known good' rom with the original firmware files. |
| [01:30:00] | djperegrine: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100136 |
| [01:30:00] | djperegrine: | what about that? |
| [01:31:00] | diamon: | It just takes time, as I have to reboot between loads to be sure the firmware and ROM really loaded. Hard-learned lesson there. |
| [01:31:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: no, not supported (at least probably not, stay away from USB) |
| [01:31:00] | diamon: | I don't think USB-type devices are supported by anyone yet. |
| [01:31:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: there are drivers for some, but they're not pretty and don't work well |
| [01:32:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: I believe that. |
| [01:32:00] | MonMotha: | basically, ify ou want a hardware encoder, get a PVR-250 or a PVR-150 (unless you want decoding as well, then get a PVR-350) |
| [01:32:00] | diamon: | That's why I went with a 150. Good, common, and inexpensive. Works great aside from the accursed audio oddness. |
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| [01:32:00] | MonMotha: | if you want a cheap tuner and will encode in software, get something bt878 or cx88 based (describes pretty much all Hauppage cards) |
| [01:32:00] | MonMotha: | you can get a WinTV Go for like $30 |
| [01:33:00] | diamon: | If I could have gotten a 550 though, I really should have done that, but I wanted it now, not in a week or two. :P |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | somewhat noisy image, but it works fine |
| [01:33:00] | Discipulus: | This isn't entirely related to MythTV, but what's the difference between a user system and an embedded system? |
| [01:33:00] | djperegrine: | I want the cheapest one with hardware encoding |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: PVR-150 |
| [01:33:00] | diamon: | I vote for a bt878, everyone and their brother has drivers for them. It's the SB16 of TV capture. |
| [01:33:00] | Discipulus: | an embedded system = TiVo while a MythTV is often made out of a User System? |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | Discipulus: well, that's a pretty crazy question actually... |
| [01:33:00] | diamon: | Disc: Yes, more or less. |
| [01:33:00] | MonMotha: | especially to a real embedded developer like myself :) |
| [01:33:00] | diamon: | MonMotha: Heh. |
| [01:34:00] | MonMotha: | a TiVo would probably qualify as embedded, but then a MythTV backend could also, depending on how you treat it |
| [01:34:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, well I'm interested in developing an Embedded MythTV and I'd like to develop an Embedded House Automation System |
| [01:35:00] | Discipulus: | Probably using X10 |
| [01:35:00] | MonMotha: | coming up with a good definition of "Embedded" is tough |
| [01:35:00] | MonMotha: | ewww...X10 |
| [01:35:00] | djperegrine: | wait |
| [01:35:00] | MonMotha: | crummy company, crummy protocol |
| [01:35:00] | Discipulus: | No X10? |
| [01:35:00] | Discipulus: | What do you suggest? |
| [01:35:00] | djperegrine: | someone said switching from a 150 to 250 made there PC go from 95% to 5% |
| [01:35:00] | MonMotha: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_systems is reasonable description of embedded systems |
| [01:35:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: switching from a WinTV go to a PVR-150 did that for me |
| [01:35:00] | djperegrine: | Ohh |
| [01:35:00] | djperegrine: | gotcha |
| [01:36:00] | MonMotha: | that's a dedicated backend mind you, so no decoding going on |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | ah |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | yea |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | mine will do both |
| [01:36:00] | djperegrine: | but I can play videos no problem |
| [01:36:00] | MonMotha: | Discipulus: well, depends on your needs |
| [01:36:00] | MonMotha: | heh, wait till you try hidef :) |
| [01:37:00] | diamon: | Yeah, my 150 currently runs at 20% CPU usage when recording and playing back. I like it. |
| [01:37:00] | MonMotha: | ooooh, wow. It's actually using both tuners |
| [01:37:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, well, a 2 bedroom house |
| [01:37:00] | MonMotha: | diamon: most of that 20% is the decoding |
| [01:37:00] | diamon: | Yep. |
| [01:37:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, I'd like control over ALL lights, controlable via remote in any room |
| [01:37:00] | MonMotha: | X10 isn't particularly good at controlling lots of things like that |
| [01:37:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, preferably an all-room sound system (so I can play my music and hear it in any room) |
| [01:37:00] | MonMotha: | I used it a while back (even have my trusty CP-290) |
| [01:38:00] | Discipulus: | and a nice surround sound system in the living room |
| [01:38:00] | MonMotha: | you end up using like 5 house codes to get everything, adn then the only feasable way to control it is with a computer |
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| [01:38:00] | SarahEmm: | hihi |
| [01:38:00] | djperegrine: | nice |
| [01:38:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, ah, so what would you suggest as a replacement? Because the newsgroups on home automation I've been reading say that everything is pretty much X10 and that everything else just comes and goes |
| [01:39:00] | MonMotha: | unfortunately that is kinda the case |
| [01:39:00] | Discipulus: | What's the progress on ZigBee? |
| [01:39:00] | MonMotha: | especially in the "no extra wires required" realm |
| [01:39:00] | MonMotha: | anyway, I need to go to dinner |
| [01:39:00] | djperegrine: | Ok so |
| [01:39:00] | djperegrine: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116629R |
| [01:40:00] | djperegrine: | right? |
| [01:40:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone else having commercial skip issues in .18.1? |
| [01:40:00] | SarahEmm: | more often than not 'z' skips *backwards* now for me |
| [01:41:00] | MonMotha: | djperegrine: that would work |
| [01:41:00] | djperegrine: | with hardware encoding? |
| [01:41:00] | MonMotha: | that's a low profile version though, so the bracket will be the wrong size for normal PCs |
| [01:41:00] | diamon: | djpere: Yep, that's a good card. MCE's don't come with remotes though, so I don't know wether you've got a remote already. |
| [01:42:00] | djperegrine: | Gunna use wifi keyboard/mouse |
| [01:42:00] | djperegrine: | which I should also buy |
| [01:42:00] | diamon: | True, I didn't 'see' that. Some work with a Dremel and a backplate could fix that I suppose. |
| [01:43:00] | MonMotha: | I need to set up some sort of remote control |
| [01:43:00] | diamon: | It's all a question of time and money. I have more money than time, so I got a retail PVR-150 with remote, to save time. :) |
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| [01:43:00] | MonMotha: | I can't use the stuff on my PVR-150 since it's in my backend |
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| [01:43:00] | SarahEmm: | djperegrine: err... wifi keyboard/mouse? |
| [01:43:00] | MonMotha: | I got a retail for $60 after rebate |
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| [01:43:00] | djperegrine: | wirless rather |
| [01:43:00] | diamon: | Saved me a lot of time on the remote, I've been cursing at my MCE-USB remote for two weeks, had the PVR-150's remote working in minutes. |
| [01:43:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh okay |
| [01:43:00] | SarahEmm: | nobody else having comm skip issues? |
| [01:44:00] | MonMotha: | SarahEmm: it doesn't work well on HD, but it seems to work fine for me on normal SD content |
| [01:44:00] | djperegrine: | rebates never work :P |
| [01:44:00] | dhofstra: | man my commercial skip works so perfect, I'm considering just putting it on auto-skip |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | MonMotha: hrm. it skips backwards as often as forwards =-/ |
| [01:44:00] | diamon: | Sarah: I've just started using commercial skip. If you can describe how to try re-creating the effect I can test it. |
| [01:44:00] | dhofstra: | even HD here? |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | since moving from .16 to .18.1 |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm SD here |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | regular cable, bttv card |
| [01:44:00] | Discipulus: | MonMotha, so what's the progress on ZigBee, has the protocol been released yet? |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | diamon: nothing special. just watching a recording, hit 'z' |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | sometimes it skips forwards, sometimes backwards |
| [01:44:00] | SarahEmm: | on .18.1 with a bttv card, MPEG4 |
| [01:45:00] | MonMotha: | Discipulus: no clue |
| [01:45:00] | dhofstra: | of course the directtv channels seem to flag more accuratley than the cable stuff for me |
| [01:45:00] | ** SarahEmm on regular analog cable ** | |
| [01:45:00] | tim: | diamon, how'd you get the PVR-150's remote working so fast? I missed the first part of this channel |
| [01:45:00] | diamon: | Worked fine, no backwards skips. It reports 'at end, cannot skip' for the last stretch. Also recorded from a BTTV with 18.1 |
| [01:46:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm. =-/ |
| [01:46:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm tempted to blow away this system and rebuild it software-wise. it's acting Weird lately =-/ |
| [01:46:00] | SarahEmm: | i want to move to the -500 already heh. |
| [01:46:00] | diamon: | tim: I already had the card working, so when I went after the remote all I did was hook it up, put in the config, and BAm, up it came. I still need to drop in the lircrc file and tweak it for myself, but irw talks to the remote just fine. |
| [01:47:00] | diamon: | Sarah: I think that sounds like a good idea. If it gets freaky, I'm always a fan of reloading. |
| [01:47:00] | tim: | whats the difference between bttv and ivtv?? what will work w/ my PVR-150? |
| [01:47:00] | SarahEmm: | it seems to be a recording thing, because skip works fine in older recordings |
| [01:47:00] | SarahEmm: | tim: ivtv. bttv is for cards with a bt chipset that don't do hardware encoding. |
| [01:47:00] | tim: | gotcha |
| [01:47:00] | tim: | thx |
| [01:47:00] | SarahEmm: | i have an older card because the newer PVR-xxx cards don't support closed captioning |
| [01:47:00] | SarahEmm: | so i use bttv |
| [01:47:00] | diamon: | Sarah: Got a 150 myself, to replace my BT878. Much better video for sure, but I'm having oddness with the audio, but I think that's from mixing firmware and rom versions. I need to settle down and mess with it some more. |
| [01:48:00] | SarahEmm: | diamon: i've got a -500 here for testing. video works great, but no closed captioning support yet |
| [01:49:00] | SarahEmm: | it's been on my list of stuff to add for quite awhile now but i don't realy have time :( |
| [01:49:00] | diamon: | Eh, best of my knowledge I have 0 use for CC, so I want to remove the data from my stream entirely, that's the only video issue I have left is the DVI data scrolling sparkly lines at the top of the screen. :P |
| [01:49:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [01:49:00] | diamon: | I think 500's are simply a pair of 150's. |
| [01:49:00] | SarahEmm: | they are |
| [01:49:00] | SarahEmm: | but -150s don't support CC yet in myth either |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | oh also my computer is hella loud |
| [01:50:00] | SarahEmm: | my backend only has one PCI slot tho. a -500 would be great |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | do I need to only change the fan |
| [01:50:00] | djperegrine: | or other shit to |
| [01:50:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm considering getting a bigger box for the backend and just putting a bunch of -250s in it =-/ |
| [01:50:00] | diamon: | Can't resize the capture at the card either, but I figure a few more revs of the ivtv driver will fix that. |
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| [01:50:00] | diamon: | djpere: Likely the fan, though make sure the airflow is good, crappy case holes can increase the noise of a fan. |
| [01:51:00] | tim: | diamon, I installed the kernel source via the commands here (http://pastebin.ca/17347) but I get all those errors and warnings when I compile...am I missing something? |
| [01:51:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone here running -250s with .18? |
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| [01:52:00] | djperegrine: | my case is pretty screwed up |
| [01:52:00] | djperegrine: | one of the panels is bent |
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| [01:53:00] | diamon: | tim: I can't see anything obvious, make oldconfig should correct anything not linked. Try a make menuconfig, then just exit and save it just to be safe, and do a 'make clean' on the driver source to clean up any broken stuff. Or delete the driver source and re-extract it and try again, just to be totally pure. |
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| [01:57:00] | tim: | no luck :-\ |
| [01:57:00] | tim: | I had this problem before...and I can't remember how to fix it, thats annoying lol |
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| [02:00:00] | djperegrine: | ok |
| [02:00:00] | jams: | anybody in here have alsa digital out working correctly? |
| [02:00:00] | djperegrine: | which fan should I get? |
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| [02:05:00] | AlHaz: | jams: I do |
| [02:06:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: What size? and what are the thermal considerations? |
| [02:06:00] | AlHaz: | jams: troubleshooting varies by sound chip – I have via southbridge audio working flawlessly for 44.1 48 and dolby passthrough |
| [02:07:00] | AlHaz: | in general, haven't bothered with myth yet, I'm just dabbling |
| [02:07:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: www.sidewindercomputers.com has the utterly silent NMB fans that Dell uses for $4/ea or so, 80mm and 92mm. the 92mm have built in heat sensors. they are extremely quiet. I highly recommend them. |
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| [02:09:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: but if your computer is a friggin furnace, they may not be enough |
| [02:09:00] | dougl: | MythLogBot: where do you dump? |
| [02:09:00] | AlHaz: | djperegrine: my htpc is a mobile athlon-xp 1600 in a 2U rackmount case. It has two of the 80mm NMB fans on intake on the front of the case and one on exaust and a Samsung Spinpoint harddrive. |
| [02:09:00] | AlHaz: | And I can't hear it from 10 feet away |
| [02:10:00] | AlHaz: | if i strain to listen i can hear the harddrive when it's really thrashing |
| [02:10:00] | AlHaz: | as long as the stereo is turned off |
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| [02:15:00] | AlHaz: | i need to do some experiments soon, I have a motherboard that should be able to do 96khz spdif, and a new receiver that will accept it |
| [02:15:00] | AlHaz: | dunno if the via driver does 96khz yet tho |
| [02:21:00] | jams: | heh had to set the spdif volume to 0 |
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| [02:21:00] | jams: | dumb ass via chipset |
| [02:22:00] | AlHaz: | eh, it's not really the chipset |
| [02:23:00] | AlHaz: | ALSA treats the mixer channels literally because it doesn't know any better |
| [02:23:00] | AlHaz: | on any given chip, some switches are going to be active-high and some are going to be active-low |
| [02:23:00] | AlHaz: | so, from a hardware engineer's perspective, toggling the channel is logical |
| [02:24:00] | jams: | ok so Alsa has it labeled wrong |
| [02:24:00] | AlHaz: | it just looks enabled when it's not enabled to a mixer app that doesn't know any better |
| [02:24:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, they should figure out how to detect it and label it properly |
| [02:24:00] | diamon: | Ok, I'm trying to switch Myth from using OSS's /dev/mixer, what ALSA: setting do I want to use in place of that? |
| [02:24:00] | AlHaz: | hm, I forget |
| [02:24:00] | jams: | AlHaz, strange this is it worked via aplay regardless of that setting |
| [02:24:00] | jams: | it was myth that had the problem |
| [02:24:00] | AlHaz: | dev/amixer0 looks like |
| [02:25:00] | AlHaz: | jams: VIA tweaks their drivers a bit |
| [02:25:00] | AlHaz: | nvidia tweaks their drivers a LOT . . . . |
| [02:25:00] | jams: | sure but how does that affect aplay vs mythtv |
| [02:26:00] | AlHaz: | dunno |
| [02:26:00] | AlHaz: | Some apps access alsa differently |
| [02:26:00] | AlHaz: | it's letover misbehavior from so many changes in the api |
| [02:27:00] | AlHaz: | takeshi (the guy who writes the via driver for alsa) got so sick and tired of getting bug reports from xmms users that he fixed xmms himself and submitted a patch |
| [02:27:00] | AlHaz: | mplayer doesn't access it correctly either, even in pre7, but it mostly works |
| [02:27:00] | AlHaz: | mpg321 is a bit of a horrorshow |
| [02:28:00] | AlHaz: | theoretically, aplay should be doing it the right way |
| [02:28:00] | AlHaz: | since they wrote it |
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| [02:28:00] | jams: | one would think |
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| [02:35:00] | winga: | does anyone here use knoppixmyth? |
| [02:35:00] | AlHaz: | Some people here use knoppmyth, but you may have to wait around for someone to respond. lots of lurkers. |
| [02:36:00] | winga: | yeah |
| [02:36:00] | winga: | i just need to know if/how to uninstall some components like mythphone |
| [02:36:00] | winga: | if its safe to just to apt-get uninstalls |
| [02:38:00] | diamon: | It's surely not /dev/amixer0. Foo. |
| [02:39:00] | AlHaz: | *shrug* sorry. |
| [02:39:00] | AlHaz: | I could look at my freevo configuration |
| [02:39:00] | AlHaz: | (yes, I'm a heretic) |
| [02:39:00] | AlHaz: | huh, freevo is using the oss emulation mixer. sorry. |
| [02:39:00] | diamon: | Hey, whatever works. |
| [02:39:00] | diamon: | Arrgh. |
| [02:40:00] | AlHaz: | look in linux/Documentation/devices.txt |
| [02:40:00] | AlHaz: | it should tell you straight up |
| [02:40:00] | AlHaz: | (in the kernel source) |
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| [03:07:00] | mchou: | sigh...ran out of pci slots on my a64 box. This sux |
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| [03:28:00] | bob832: | hi, i am currently looking for parts to build a mythtv – i am currently looking into getting a VFD – does anyone have any recommendations for a newbie? |
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| [03:31:00] | foobar-xs: | evening all |
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| [03:32:00] | diamon: | bob832: A FVD? |
| [03:32:00] | foobar-xs: | I was wondering if anyone here could help me with my first MythTV setup on Fedora Core 3...I seam to be having a few problems :( |
| [03:33:00] | bob832: | yeah, vacuume fluorescent display |
| [03:35:00] | mchou: | bob832: heh, why would you want that? |
| [03:36:00] | mchou: | bob832: dont you want a "dark room," no light pollution from your htpc? |
| [03:37:00] | Talinom: | foobar-xs: what is your question? I'm fairly new myself but have KnoppMyth up and running (except for my remote). |
| [03:37:00] | bob832: | i wanted something to display the time or what is currently playing |
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| [03:44:00] | mchou: | bob832: look up iMON vfd |
| [03:44:00] | mchou: | there are linux drivers for that. |
| [03:46:00] | foobar-xs: | Talinom, well...my first real issue is that the channel lineup will not populate....i have datadirect setup correctly(i think) and a zap2it account....but when i try to run mythfilldatabase, i get a 401 Unauthorized responce |
| [03:47:00] | mchou: | bob832: this site is rather useful too: http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/ |
| [03:50:00] | foobar-xs: | lcdproc is what i use on my homemade LCD, works GREAT |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: home-made lcd? do tell :) |
| [03:53:00] | bob832: | yes. . i am curious myself |
| [03:53:00] | bob832: | hehe |
| [03:53:00] | foobar-xs: | well, not TRUELY home made...I bought a cheap LCD and wired it up using an old printer cable |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: bought from where? |
| [03:54:00] | foobar-xs: | i am bad at choosing the wrong words sometime |
| [03:54:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: you got a (web) link to your lcd? |
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| [03:55:00] | foobar-xs: | can't remember off hand, did it about 3 years ago...i got 2 LCDs, one with backlight and one w/o for $30...figured if i fried one...i could try it with the other one |
| [03:55:00] | foobar-xs: | yea |
| [03:55:00] | foobar-xs: | http://glassdragon.org/gallery.php?g=img/comp |
| [03:56:00] | foobar-xs: | not GREAT images...but it works |
| [03:56:00] | mchou: | heh, I have those very same speakers |
| [03:57:00] | foobar-xs: | lol, they rock |
| [03:57:00] | foobar-xs: | like to have a digital set though |
| [03:57:00] | mchou: | they are ok.... |
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| [03:57:00] | mchou: | yeah, a digital set would be nice. |
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| [03:58:00] | bob832: | thanks for info mchou and foobar-xs – i like the iMON vfd b/c of the volume control |
| [03:58:00] | foobar-xs: | bob832, what brand are you looking at?? |
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| [03:58:00] | foobar-xs: | iMON? |
| [03:58:00] | Ringwraith`: | Hey guys, I Have a hauppage wintv card with the sound going to line-in on my audigy, i do not have ANY sound in mythtv no matter what i try, tvtime works perfect audio and all, does anyone have any ideas on what i could check? |
| [04:00:00] | foobar-xs: | any clue on my channel line up issue? |
| [04:00:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: http://www.soundgraph.com/pr/e_pr_11.asp?m1d=1&m2d=11 |
| [04:00:00] | bob832: | foobar-xs, yeah, mchuo suggested it – this is the site i found on it – http://www6.tomshardware.com/consumer/2005060 . . . raph-03.html |
| [04:00:00] | MonMotha: | make sure you have to correct audio capture device set up in mythtv (it may not be dsp0 or the first ALSA card) |
| [04:01:00] | Ringwraith`: | i dont use "SALSA" |
| [04:01:00] | Ringwraith`: | i use OSS and the capture devices are setup properly |
| [04:01:00] | mchou: | bob832: why do you need a volume control?? |
| [04:02:00] | Ringwraith`: | for some reason mythtv seems incapable of recording a muted line-in input |
| [04:02:00] | bob832: | foobar-xs, i was also looking at http://www.crystalfontz.com/index.html |
| [04:02:00] | PoonJ: | how many tv cards do you all have in your systems? |
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| [04:02:00] | Ringwraith`: | 1 |
| [04:02:00] | Ringwraith`: | and its 10 years old almost |
| [04:02:00] | bob832: | mchos, lol, no reason, i just thought it was an interesting idea |
| [04:02:00] | PoonJ: | doesn't the cable degrade when the cable is split to many tuners? |
| [04:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [04:02:00] | PoonJ: | the cable signal I mean |
| [04:02:00] | Ringwraith`: | PoonJ, yes |
| [04:02:00] | MonMotha: | that's what cable amps are for |
| [04:02:00] | foobar-xs: | yea, CF displays are nice as well as MatrixOrbitals |
| [04:03:00] | mchou: | bob832: you're getting too much junk. :) |
| [04:03:00] | PoonJ: | but the cable amp also amplifies the noise |
| [04:03:00] | bob832: | lol |
| [04:03:00] | Ringwraith`: | im about over this audio issue |
| [04:03:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, that is a SWEET VFD! |
| [04:03:00] | MonMotha: | your splitter will usually list attenuation in dB (otherwise assume 3.2dB per port or so), get an amp that wil compensate |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | PoonJ: Right, so your best bet is to put the amp right where the signal comes into the house |
| [04:03:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: yeah, which is why you put the amp BEFORE the splitter, where the SNR is still good |
| [04:03:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: meh |
| [04:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | or avoid too many splits :) |
| [04:03:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: I dont see what the big fuss is all about. |
| [04:04:00] | MonMotha: | I've got an 8 way splitter for my house (two running to MythTV, others to TVs) with a giant amp in front of it. My analog cable looks better than most people's digital |
| [04:04:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: In my htpc even leds are not connected. |
| [04:04:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, the IR in it is what i like, again...as usual...for now i will have to make my own!! lol |
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| [04:07:00] | bob832: | foobar-xs, are LCDs diffcult to wire? |
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| [04:07:00] | foobar-xs: | bob832, not realy, i DO suggest an old printer cable though to keep everything nice and neat |
| [04:07:00] | Ringwraith`: | ill have to make my own mythtv if this fucking sound doesnt work |
| [04:08:00] | foobar-xs: | the LCDProc site has a diagram i think |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | Ringwraith`: everyone else has sound working. |
| [04:11:00] | Ringwraith`: | well i wonder what everyone else did, that i didnt |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | Ringwraith`: like read the damn instructions? |
| [04:11:00] | Ringwraith`: | like i read them 3 fucking times |
| [04:11:00] | Ringwraith`: | in fact i can quote it from memory to be exact |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | Ringwraith`: right. quote away. |
| [04:12:00] | Ringwraith`: | mchou, the docs state that you should have line-in on your soundcard muted |
| [04:12:00] | Ringwraith`: | no problem did it |
| [04:12:00] | Ringwraith`: | doesnt work... |
| [04:12:00] | Ringwraith`: | it works however with the line-in unmuted |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:12:00] | MonMotha: | muted in playback. Ensure that recording is turned up and line in is selected |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | that's not the only thing the docs stated. |
| [04:13:00] | foobar-xs: | what channel lineup service do ya'll use?? |
| [04:13:00] | Ringwraith`: | mchou, well it is a summary. it also mentioned stuff about pvr 350's, etc but i dont have one |
| [04:13:00] | Ringwraith`: | MonMotha, i will try once more |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | Ringwraith`: no, I wasnt talking about that. |
| [04:20:00] | Ringwraith`: | <sigh> |
| [04:21:00] | foobar-xs: | bob832, http://lcdproc.sourceforge.net/docs/stable-0- . . . D44780-HOWTO |
| [04:22:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: after I edit the database the change the channel information for DVB in my pcHDTV3000, I don't see any channels in my channel editor in mythtv-setup.. |
| [04:22:00] | PoonJ: | do I have to run mythfilldatabase again afterwards? |
| [04:23:00] | Talinom: | I'm using DataDirect. I've had no issues so far with them. |
| [04:23:00] | foobar-xs: | Talinom, will you help me make sure i have everything set up properly for that?? |
| [04:24:00] | foobar-xs: | if your not too busy that it |
| [04:24:00] | foobar-xs: | is |
| [04:28:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: did you have to change your freqid and sourceid as well for the PCHDTV setup? |
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| [05:00:00] | hadees: | anyone here use a niveus or ati remote? |
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| [05:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I do |
| [05:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Niveus |
| [05:03:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, hey, i keep getting weird data errors |
| [05:04:00] | hadees: | first for the niveus it is modprobe ati_remote lolatype=5 right? |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | lolatype=1 |
| [05:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | not 5 |
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| [05:05:00] | SarahEmm: | meoweth. |
| [05:05:00] | bomba: | I have a PVR250 and a PVR350 and the first one I configure I get sound on, the second one is mute in live tv and recordings |
| [05:06:00] | bomba: | so I just remove the 2nd card and am waiting for .19 |
| [05:06:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, well that makes alot of sense, thanks |
| [05:06:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone here have a box running PVR-250(s) handy, with normal analog cable? |
| [05:06:00] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, the only thing i could find was #define NIVEUS_REMOTE_PRODUCT_ID 0x005 |
| [05:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | SarahEmm: I do |
| [05:07:00] | SarahEmm: | ooh, nevermind GreyFoxx. thanks anyway :) |
| [05:08:00] | ** SarahEmm been away from myth devel for awhile and is just figuring out where things are again heh ** | |
| [05:08:00] | ** GreyFoxx looks at his todo list and decides what to work on first ** | |
| [05:08:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm tempted to build a new box and put 2 or 3 bttv cards in it with a massive amount of CPU heh |
| [05:08:00] | bomba: | why bttv? |
| [05:08:00] | bomba: | get two PVR500s |
| [05:09:00] | SarahEmm: | i have a PVR-500 |
| [05:09:00] | SarahEmm: | no closed captioning support |
| [05:09:00] | SarahEmm: | i keep meaning to work on adding it |
| [05:09:00] | SarahEmm: | but it'll be a Big job, and i don't have time lately =-/ |
| [05:09:00] | SarahEmm: | bttv has good CC support |
| [05:09:00] | bomba: | SarahEmm: I havea 250 and a 350 but problems with .18.1 |
| [05:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a feeling my fiance is getting me an xbox to make into a frontend for my birthday next week. Looks like I should start paying attention to posts about running myth on it :) |
| [05:09:00] | aent: | hey, I need help with a PVR350... I can't get live TV to work on it or recordings, but the card drivers are properly loaded, if I cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg it produces a valid test.mpg file |
| [05:09:00] | aent: | anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? |
| [05:09:00] | foobar-xs: | anyone have mythtv working on Fedora Core 3 |
| [05:10:00] | hadees: | is CC diffrent for each card? |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | bomba: ahh... 250 and 350 still don't properly support CC either afaik |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | hadees: it's not supported on PVR-xxx mostly, and bttv works fine |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | hadees: it's only supported for software encoding :( |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | GreyFoxx: i'm running myth on mine, works fine :) |
| [05:10:00] | bomba: | just run Sphinx on the audio stream |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | little slow, still need to throw more RAM in it |
| [05:10:00] | SarahEmm: | not bad tho, just mildly annoying sometimes |
| [05:11:00] | aent: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [05:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | SarahEmm: I assume the TV out looks pretty good :) |
| [05:11:00] | SarahEmm: | GreyFoxx: heh, i feed the TV out to a TV -> VGA converter and watch on a 19" LCD :) |
| [05:11:00] | SarahEmm: | GreyFoxx: i don't own a regular TV>. |
| [05:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [05:11:00] | SarahEmm: | aent: what happens when you select livetv? |
| [05:12:00] | bomba: | thats what the SVid input on Dell 2001FPs is good fo |
| [05:12:00] | aent: | I just see a black screen |
| [05:12:00] | SarahEmm: | bomba: yeah.. i'm running all benq tfts |
| [05:12:00] | SarahEmm: | aent: what's logged by the backend? |
| [05:12:00] | aent: | and it says composite, but no matter what I do (tried in mythsetup and using other software) I can't get it to go to tuner0 |
| [05:14:00] | aent: | 2005-07–10 01:01:14.086 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read(). |
| [05:14:00] | aent: | a bunch of times |
| [05:14:00] | aent: | 2005-07–10 01:01:33.479 Using protocol version 15 a bunch of times too,w with different numbers |
| [05:15:00] | aent: | I can't get it in any software either, I've tried it in tvtime where it says can't open capture device /dev/video0 |
| [05:15:00] | aent: | but directly accessing /dev/video0 works flawlessly |
| [05:15:00] | SarahEmm: | okay.. |
| [05:15:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno, i'm not the person to ask =-/ i have a PVR-500 but it's not very useful for me until CC is supported |
| [05:16:00] | aent: | so any ideas about my problem? |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: what you do is run the ATSC scan, run the mythfilldatabase to download the channels from Zap2it, then transfer mplexid, serviceid, and atscsrcid to the channels downloaded from Zap2it, then delete the scanned channels (that's how I did it, you can in theory do it the other way by transferring xmltvid) |
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| [05:17:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: you should then have just the zap2it channels, whcih will ahve stupid, unusable numbers (like 20_1), so you'll want to renumber them too |
| [05:20:00] | Talinom: | aent: in MythTV what do you have your LiveTV recording profile set to. I had to mess with that to get my PVR-150 working correctly. |
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| [05:20:00] | iggy: | aent: tvtime doesn't play well with mpeg cards |
| [05:21:00] | iggy: | aent: try mplayer+ptune.pl |
| [05:21:00] | Talinom: | aent: also, are you using libmpeg or hardware decoding? |
| [05:21:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: oka |
| [05:24:00] | hadees: | for a mythfrontend, should i point it at a local database or the database on the backend server? |
| [05:24:00] | SarahEmm: | backend server |
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| [05:27:00] | MonMotha: | there only needs to be one database (and while it need not be on the abckend, that would be conventional) |
| [05:27:00] | MonMotha: | the frontends don't need a database server |
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| [05:28:00] | Beirdo: | Yawn |
| [05:28:00] | kgrimm: | any one know if incorrect setting for a tv card could feedback and disrupt the cable connnection to tv and cable modem? |
| [05:29:00] | MonMotha: | kgrimm: there's a remote possibility, depending on the tuenr, but it's not likely |
| [05:29:00] | MonMotha: | the disruption would likely be isolated to a single TV channel, as well |
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| [05:31:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: I just changed those 3 sections in the database.. |
| [05:31:00] | PoonJ: | now I don't get anything on the TV |
| [05:31:00] | PoonJ: | do I have to change freqid as well? |
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| [05:31:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: no, I just set them to NULL |
| [05:31:00] | PoonJ: | okay |
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| [05:32:00] | MonMotha: | give me a couple minutes here |
| [05:32:00] | kgrimm: | hmm,, this card has only a input from cable,, it confused me that it migh output, and hose the tv in front room and the cable modem from working,, i installed FC4 and working on myth,, and everything collapsed twice today |
| [05:32:00] | MonMotha: | I'll dump the relevant stuff from my DB for you |
| [05:33:00] | MonMotha: | kgrimm: there's other possibilities that the TV tuner may be at fault, but a bad setting shouldn't cause that with most tuners I'm aware of (they are one-way downconverters) |
| [05:33:00] | MonMotha: | how is the TV messed up? just static? |
| [05:33:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: Still no go.. |
| [05:33:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: I set the starting channel in mythtv-setup..but it doesn't seem to be working.. |
| [05:33:00] | PoonJ: | is there a way to make it start at another channel? |
| [05:34:00] | PoonJ: | make it start at a specific channel another way? |
| [05:35:00] | kgrimm: | dome of the digital channels were doing the checkerboard/choppy vidio, cable modem failed to talk to roadrunner,, lites on cable modem kept cycleing |
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| [05:35:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: on the cardinput table, set startchan to a channum |
| [05:36:00] | MonMotha: | (NOT chanid) |
| [05:38:00] | kgrimm: | i'm about ready to toss the avermedia pci 350,, what is the most compatible with linux an windoz? i have to duel boot due to some work oblegations |
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| [05:39:00] | kgrimm: | not want to start a fight,, i know many openions will come on that question |
| [05:40:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: http://www.perscorpserv.com/~monmotha/db_demo |
| [05:40:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: No go.. |
| [05:40:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: that's how my DTV is set up |
| [05:40:00] | MonMotha: | dtv_multiplex was populated completely by the automated scan |
| [05:41:00] | MonMotha: | hum, looks like there's a channel I forgot to delete actually |
| [05:41:00] | MonMotha: | you HAVE to change the channum since MythTV can't handle channels numberd with _s in them |
| [05:42:00] | MonMotha: | at least it doesn't like to (you can't type the number in, it'll still show up in the EPG) |
| [05:42:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: my dtv_multiplex is empty |
| [05:42:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: I think I need to scan |
| [05:42:00] | PoonJ: | let me redo this |
| [05:42:00] | PoonJ: | I have to first scan |
| [05:42:00] | PoonJ: | then do a mythfilldatabase, then an edit, and the delete the old channels right? |
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| [05:43:00] | MonMotha: | do a full scan, then full scan of existing transports, then run mythfilldatabase, then transfer mplexid, serviceid, and atscsrcid to the Zap2It channels, then delete the scanned channels |
| [05:44:00] | PoonJ: | let me give it a run |
| [05:44:00] | MonMotha: | you might want to do the "wipe my channels" thing and start over |
| [06:01:00] | PoonJ: | I did |
| [06:01:00] | PoonJ: | :) |
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| [06:03:00] | MonMotha: | so, did it work? |
| [06:03:00] | PoonJ: | still doing the scan now |
| [06:03:00] | PoonJ: | I went out to eat a nectarine |
| [06:03:00] | PoonJ: | heh |
| [06:04:00] | MonMotha: | the scan can take a while |
| [06:04:00] | PoonJ: | yeah |
| [06:04:00] | MonMotha: | especially for 125chan digital cable |
| [06:04:00] | PoonJ: | what does the full scan of existing transports do? |
| [06:05:00] | MonMotha: | for some reason, a full scan sometimes only seems to find multiplexes, not all subchannels within the muxes |
| [06:05:00] | ** Atamido is scanning his new PVR-500 MCE before installing it into his PC. ** | |
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| [06:05:00] | MonMotha: | the full scan of existing transports tells it to go look for all subchannels in each mux it knows |
| [06:06:00] | PoonJ: | gotcha |
| [06:06:00] | PoonJ: | but a lot of those subchannels don't exist in the zap2it listings |
| [06:06:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: excellent idea :) i took some digicam pics before i put mine in |
| [06:06:00] | Atamido: | A 1200 DPI scan should be sufficient. |
| [06:07:00] | SarahEmm: | heh, yeah |
| [06:07:00] | SarahEmm: | PVR-500 seems to work well with myth :) |
| [06:07:00] | SarahEmm: | (except missing captioning, making it less useful for some) |
| [06:08:00] | dh0: | hello. i just installed my wintv pvr 350. i dont know what to do to get linux to recognize it exists. As far as mythtv is concerned i dont know what its device name is or if it has one. And as far as running X off the card, i dont know which x server driver to use. i must have missed something. |
| [06:08:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: zap2it knows all the subchannels my broadcasters run that matters (they don't have guide data for the weather channels, but who cares) |
| [06:08:00] | MonMotha: | in fact, they have guide data for nonexistant channels :) |
| [06:08:00] | ** Atamido takes scans so he can link to them to make sure he actually has the right card he is trying to set up. ** | |
| [06:09:00] | iggy: | dh0: you missed a lot... like the enire ivtv wiki |
| [06:09:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: for me, some channels don't exist in zap2it |
| [06:10:00] | MonMotha: | PoonJ: channels with actual programming? |
| [06:10:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: but those channels aren't really good anyways...I just need the main one |
| [06:10:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: Yeah..PaxEast is one |
| [06:10:00] | MonMotha: | I don't have guide data for the weather channel or the 24 hour news channel |
| [06:10:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: THere is also some reglious channels that I don't want |
| [06:10:00] | MonMotha: | oh, I can't get PAX over the air around here |
| [06:10:00] | MonMotha: | or any of the local religious stations (whcih actually, zap2it does have guide data for the main channel of) |
| [06:10:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: What is the station name for pax? |
| [06:10:00] | dh0: | iggy heh okay |
| [06:11:00] | dh0: | thanks, thats what i needed to know |
| [06:11:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: I was gonna ask you...what is a good bitrate to transcode HD feeds? is 1100 kbit/s enough? |
| [06:11:00] | MonMotha: | WIPX I think |
| [06:12:00] | PoonJ: | okay |
| [06:12:00] | PoonJ: | let me see if zap2it has it |
| [06:12:00] | MonMotha: | 1100kbit is way too low unless you're downresign it |
| [06:12:00] | MonMotha: | it has it, ZIP is 46032 |
| [06:12:00] | PoonJ: | for me, it doesnt' |
| [06:12:00] | MonMotha: | it's probably not in your zip code |
| [06:12:00] | PoonJ: | yeah |
| [06:12:00] | PoonJ: | its cool |
| [06:13:00] | PoonJ: | what is a good number? |
| [06:13:00] | PoonJ: | 4400kbit/s? |
| [06:14:00] | MonMotha: | MPEG4? |
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| [06:18:00] | mchou: | PoonJ: are you trying to set up ATSC stations? |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | PoonJ: as in HDTV or what? |
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| [06:38:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: yeah |
| [06:39:00] | PoonJ: | MonMotha: no go..... |
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| [06:43:00] | mchou: | PoonJ: try this: http://www.forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/hdtvscan2dd.pl.txt |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | it's a perl script. |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | get rid of the .txt at the end. |
| [06:44:00] | PoonJ: | what does it do exactly? |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | read the top of the script |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | set up you atsc channels in the DB correctly. |
| [06:45:00] | PoonJ: | okay |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | your* |
| [06:46:00] | PoonJ: | let me give this a run |
| [06:46:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: what do I need to change |
| [06:46:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: if I did it manually...I did what MonMotha did, but it won't work |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | dude, just follow the instructions on top of the darn script. |
| [06:47:00] | PoonJ: | lol |
| [06:47:00] | PoonJ: | okay |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | print it out if you have to. |
| [06:48:00] | mchou: | it's like every darn good deed in here goes unpunished. |
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| [06:50:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: thanks for the help....I appreciate it very much....let me see if this gets my machine going |
| [06:52:00] | kgrimm: | why do i see audio sync off bad and lower volume in mythtv then in tvtime? looking at top, neither is taxing the system |
| [06:52:00] | Atamido: | SarahEmm: http://24.206.106.17/pvr-500_mce/ |
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| [06:53:00] | mchou: | Atamido: how is that working out for ya? |
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| [06:56:00] | SarahEmm: | nice Atamido |
| [06:58:00] | Atamido: | mchou: I just plugged it in. |
| [06:58:00] | mchou: | Atamido: heh |
| [06:58:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: looks just the same as mine, down to the tuner rev. |
| [06:58:00] | SarahEmm: | mine works great video-wise |
| [06:59:00] | Atamido: | Sound wise too? |
| [06:59:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [06:59:00] | SarahEmm: | but video-wise it's nice :) |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: I thought ivtv had support for CC, no? |
| [07:01:00] | SarahEmm: | no :( |
| [07:01:00] | SarahEmm: | well |
| [07:01:00] | SarahEmm: | ivtv itself does for the PVR-250 and PVR-350 |
| [07:01:00] | SarahEmm: | but myth doesn't support that without major patchness |
| [07:01:00] | SarahEmm: | the -150 and -500 have no CC Support at all in ivtv |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | hmm, didnt know that. |
| [07:01:00] | Atamido: | Hmmmm... |
| [07:02:00] | Atamido: | So, what do you do about CC? |
| [07:02:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: yeah :( eventually i want to add CC support to -150 and -500, but i haven't had time.. |
| [07:02:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: the -500 is in my devel backend, not production. the production backend runs a BTTV card, which does CC just fine. |
| [07:02:00] | SarahEmm: | eventually when i have time i'll add CC support to ivtv and myth for the -500, and move to that |
| [07:02:00] | SarahEmm: | but i don't have that much spare time right now to do it. |
| [07:02:00] | SarahEmm: | so the -500's not in use |
| [07:03:00] | ** Atamido wishes he had the money for a devel backend and the smarts to do something about it. ** | |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | sigh, I just dont get it. |
| [07:03:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: mew? |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | you can buy an small hdtv set for $600 now.... |
| [07:04:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: well, it's a general development box, not dedicated to Myth like the production one is. |
| [07:05:00] | Atamido: | What is the command to see disk space in linux? |
| [07:05:00] | SarahEmm: | df |
| [07:05:00] | SarahEmm: | or "df -h" for human-friendly output |
| [07:05:00] | Atamido: | Hmmm... hda1 still has 0% available space. |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | ~$150 on a nvidia 6600 and $500 on a a64 system and ppl stil have problems playing HDTV |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | still* |
| [07:05:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: that's an issue... |
| [07:05:00] | Atamido: | Indeed. |
| [07:06:00] | Atamido: | It's hard to make Myth work like that. :P |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | haha. HDDs are cheap now :) |
| [07:06:00] | mchou: | it's a solvable problem. :) |
| [07:07:00] | Atamido: | Yes, but I can't purchase a HD at midnight. ;) |
| [07:07:00] | Atamido: | Besides, I need to make sure this will work in my system before I buy anything else. |
| [07:07:00] | mchou: | sure you can. Walmart. Open 24 hrs :) |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | just have to pay the walmart premium :) |
| [07:09:00] | Atamido: | Mh, I'm a poor college student on a budget. |
| [07:09:00] | Atamido: | And I'm need to get up in the morning. |
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| [07:14:00] | Atamido: | My mythbackend.log is 249MB. :-\ |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | nice :) |
| [07:14:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: okay..it seems to work! |
| [07:14:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: however, I think I'm getting crappy signal... |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | PoonJ: well, I cant do anything about that :) |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | get a better antenna. |
| [07:15:00] | Atamido: | For the love of everything that is good, never use those stupid no-screw connectors. |
| [07:15:00] | mchou: | Atamido is correct |
| [07:15:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: its weird...during the day, the signal is great...but at night, it sucks.. |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | that's not weird. |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | Atamido: agreed. why can't we all just toss F connectors out the window and use BNCs? |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | that's nornal |
| [07:16:00] | mchou: | normal* |
| [07:16:00] | Atamido: | BNCs would be nice. |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | Best Connector Evar. |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | well that'd be BCE, but you get the idea. |
| [07:17:00] | mchou: | hmm, BNC a a but too big for the backplane, no? |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | nope |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | i have cards with BNCs on the back |
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| [07:17:00] | mchou: | old style NICs? :) |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | 10Base2 cards, remember? |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | or arcnet |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | that was when there was nothing on the backplane :) |
| [07:18:00] | PoonJ: | could BNC connections theoretically go faster than 10baseT? |
| [07:18:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: true |
| [07:18:00] | PoonJ: | or was it hitting its limit? |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | except maybe a VGA card :) |
| [07:18:00] | SarahEmm: | PoonJ: naw, i think we're better on TP.. |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | bah, I think optical would be better :) |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | nice and small |
| [07:20:00] | mchou: | only to be concerned about is the laser going bad. |
| [07:20:00] | mchou: | thing^ |
| [07:20:00] | SarahEmm: | optical is better, agreed. |
| [07:20:00] | SarahEmm: | LED, at shorter distances |
| [07:21:00] | PoonJ: | SarahEmm: twisted pairs are getting 1gb/s now.. |
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| [07:22:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
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| [07:22:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: I can change the channel numbers right? |
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| [07:22:00] | mchou: | PoonJ: why would you want to do that? |
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| [07:24:00] | Talinom: | Hey guys, I'm doing something really stupid. I know it. I just don't know what. I've checked out http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5259 and am wondering what I have done wrong. Could any of you help out? I'm really stumped, but fortunately I have a basic setup backed up via dd |
| [07:24:00] | Talinom: | in case everything goes badly. |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | lol, backup with dd?? |
| [07:25:00] | Talinom: | Overkill. I also used tar. |
| [07:26:00] | Talinom: | I have a second hard drive set up. Ultimately I will have everything working correctly and if anything goes horribly wrong I should be able to reimage the system. |
| [07:26:00] | Atamido: | It works! |
| [07:26:00] | Atamido: | Although, like the 150, the video isn't the greatest. |
| [07:27:00] | Atamido: | Now if only I could fix the time from being 6 hours off... |
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| [07:28:00] | mchou: | Atamido: the video on what isnt the greatest? |
| [07:28:00] | Atamido: | The PVR-500. |
| [07:28:00] | Atamido: | Maybe it's just my cheap LCD though. :P |
| [07:28:00] | Atamido: | But it looks pretty grainy. |
| [07:28:00] | straaken: | I'm having a problem with mythvideo – when navigating my video files in list view, I get random lockups – the list just stops responding. From ssh to the box, I can see that the X server's cpu usage jumps to 100% (and stays there) and I have to kill it to get control of the machine again. I see no messages related in output from mthfrontend, mythbackend, dmesg, system log or anywhere else. |
| [07:28:00] | SarahEmm: | video looks great to me |
| [07:28:00] | mchou: | I actually think 150 video is not too bad. Not many cards beat the PQ on that. |
| [07:29:00] | Talinom: | Atamido: in your setup for mythtv make certain that you have the "time offset for XMLTV" set to auto. |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: It's a bit sof for my tastes. |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | soft* |
| [07:29:00] | straaken: | Any ideas? Any hints as to how I can debug this even? |
| [07:29:00] | Atamido: | I hear disabling the temporal filtering helps. |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | Atamido: yeah, that does help |
| [07:30:00] | mchou: | but like I said, I think PQ on 150 is not too shabby. |
| [07:30:00] | Talinom: | Atamido: are you saying that your listings for what is showing are 6 hours off? |
| [07:30:00] | topping: | sounds like a timezone issue |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | you'd be hard prssed to find a card with better PQ |
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| [07:31:00] | SarahEmm: | are we talking about a political party in quebec, or something else? ;) |
| [07:31:00] | ilium007: | hi all |
| [07:31:00] | SarahEmm: | (what's that acronym mean?) |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | Talinom: iirc back with dd has some issues. |
| [07:31:00] | ilium007: | i am having uissues with m,y first install of mythtv |
| [07:31:00] | Talinom: | I am in the Pacific time zone and unless I use the auto setting in mythtv-setup my schedules are off. |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | backup( |
| [07:31:00] | ilium007: | i cannot scan for channels |
| [07:32:00] | ilium007: | and it keeps telling me i cannot connect to a backend server |
| [07:32:00] | ilium007: | although i assume my backend server and frontend server are on the same machine |
| [07:32:00] | mchou: | Talinom: something like a 2GB limit or some such thing. |
| [07:32:00] | topping: | Talinom: what TZ is your system set for? |
| [07:33:00] | PoonJ: | mchou: my channels are now 2_1 |
| [07:33:00] | PoonJ: | in that format I mean.. |
| [07:33:00] | ilium007: | i have 2 dvb-t devices here |
| [07:33:00] | ilium007: | one is an avertv usb2 dvb-t card |
| [07:34:00] | ilium007: | can anyone help me get ti workign ? |
| [07:34:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: PQ mean picture quality. |
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| [07:36:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh. duh :P *giggles* i should have been able to figure that out.. |
| [07:36:00] | mchou: | Atamido: I'd be more inclined to suspect a bad signal or your LCD for graininess. |
| [07:38:00] | Atamido: | Talinom: Yeah. |
| [07:38:00] | Atamido: | What is the mythtv setup command? |
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| [07:40:00] | mchou: | 3 darn pci slots is just not enough. |
| [07:40:00] | Atamido: | o_O |
| [07:40:00] | Atamido: | You are like that guy on the ivtv ml that wanted to use 16 PCI slots. |
| [07:40:00] | mchou: | heh, I just need 5–6 |
| [07:40:00] | ** SarahEmm 's devel box has 6, and could use more. i swap cards in and out ** | |
| [07:41:00] | SarahEmm: | but it's a network lab box too, and has 3 or 4 NICs of different kinds in it usually too |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | pci-e and old pci is just senseless.... |
| [07:41:00] | mchou: | you dont get enough of either. |
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| [07:42:00] | mchou: | I sould have bought an agp/oldpci a64 mobo instead. |
| [07:42:00] | Talinom: | mchou: how about the return of SLI? Was Scan Line Interleave now it is Serial Link Interface. (sigh) |
| [07:42:00] | mchou: | heh... |
| [07:42:00] | Atamido: | Ah, mythtv-setup |
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| [07:48:00] | Atamido: | MythTV seems to think it is 7:45PM when in fact it is 12:45AM. |
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| [07:49:00] | mchou: | Atamido: what does the date command on your system say? |
| [07:49:00] | Atamido: | Sat Jul 9 19:49:57 CDT 2005 |
| [07:49:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | that's not a myth issue |
| [07:50:00] | Atamido: | This surely has something to do with the timezones. |
| [07:50:00] | Atamido: | Where is your timezone stored? |
| [07:50:00] | beernutz: | hey, i cant get my frontend to show video from the backend. they are both on 0.18 under fedora core (front end on fc2 backend on 3). One of the messages i get from the frontend when i try to veiw live tv is File not found: QUERY_RECORDER 1 |
| [07:50:00] | iggy: | what distro? |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | Atamido: what gave you that clue? |
| [07:50:00] | mchou: | :) |
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| [07:51:00] | Atamido: | mchou: I have seen someone else make the same comment, and investigated it myself at one point. :P |
| [07:51:00] | beernutz: | can anyone sugest aomething i can read to diagnose better? |
| [07:51:00] | beernutz: | pardon my fat fingering.. ish |
| [07:51:00] | Atamido: | Previously I just changed the system clock, but dual booting to Windows causes it to reset the system time to the current local time. |
| [07:52:00] | Atamido: | This is from a knoppmyth install. |
| [07:52:00] | iggy: | Atamido: my guess would be system and hardware clock differences of opinion |
| [07:52:00] | straaken: | Atamido: /etc/localtime should be a symlink to the appropriate entry in /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| [07:52:00] | mchou: | Atamido: hah, there is your problem right there. |
| [07:53:00] | iggy: | i.e. one thinks HC is UTC and the other doesn't |
| [07:53:00] | iggy: | or something similar |
| [07:53:00] | Atamido: | It the localtime file supposed to be readable? |
| [07:54:00] | mchou: | nope. it's binary |
| [07:54:00] | Atamido: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jun 15 13:27 localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central |
| [07:55:00] | beernutz: | anyone? |
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| [07:55:00] | Atamido: | So, I need to change the symlink to GMT? |
| [07:55:00] | straaken: | if you're dual booting, the problem is that windows expects hardware clock to be stored as local time and (often) linux does not |
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| [07:56:00] | straaken: | the correct solution is to convince your linux install that the hardware clock is local time |
| [07:56:00] | Atamido: | And how would one go about doing that? |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | straaken: that depends on how the linux kernel is compiled :) |
| [07:56:00] | straaken: | and the correct way to do that depends (afaik) on you distro |
| [07:56:00] | Atamido: | Doh! |
| [07:56:00] | iggy: | mchou: nope, it's the init scripts that do it |
| [07:57:00] | straaken: | no, it's not a kernel compile option |
| [07:57:00] | straaken: | what distro are you running? |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | sure it is. |
| [07:57:00] | iggy: | it's configureable in Gentoo, don't know about others |
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| [07:57:00] | Atamido: | It is KnoppMyth. |
| [07:57:00] | straaken: | it's configurable in others. |
| [07:59:00] | straaken: | you need to work out where hwclock is called in the startup scripts, and from where it draws it's options |
| [07:59:00] | straaken: | alternatively, use google. |
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| [08:00:00] | mchou: | straaken: [] RTC stores time in GMT |
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| [08:01:00] | straaken: | try 'man hwclock' |
| [08:01:00] | iggy: | mchou: that's different |
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| [08:03:00] | Atamido: | Okay, I need to find where the hwclock is called and change it from --utc to --localtime. |
| [08:04:00] | straaken: | don't know the best way to deal with the time problem. Go grepping for hwclock in /etc and make the change :) |
| [08:04:00] | straaken: | gotta go |
| [08:04:00] | Atamido: | :) |
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| [08:06:00] | ** Atamido fiddles with grep. ** | |
| [08:06:00] | Atamido: | Okay, this is something that I really probably should know how to use. |
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| [08:12:00] | Atamido: | This returns to much information and I lose it in the scroll back. grep -r -e hwclock -f *.* |
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| [08:15:00] | Atamido: | Wow, that doesn't actually work. |
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| [08:19:00] | Atamido: | Does this make sense to anyone? http://commo.de/hwclock.txt |
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| [08:25:00] | topping: | atamido: they are all the same file |
| [08:26:00] | topping: | symlinks |
| [08:26:00] | Atamido: | I think I need to change this. |
| [08:26:00] | Atamido: | init.d/knoppix-autoconfig:hwclock $UTC -s |
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| [08:28:00] | stang: | Can someone straighten out my lirc problems? I have installed it, named my remote's buttons, and verified them with irw. I created a .lircrc in my home dir and mapped my named keys to the keyboard codes used in mythfrontend... but no luck. |
| [08:29:00] | Atamido: | I removed the $UTC and added --localtime. Lets see what happens. :P |
| [08:29:00] | SarahEmm: | stang: is mythfrontend compiled with lirc support? |
| [08:30:00] | stang: | well... i read about that and I can't really remember if i did or not. I guess that probably means no, huh? |
| [08:32:00] | stang: | so I need to use irxevent in the program fields of my .lircrc? |
| [08:32:00] | SarahEmm: | strand: probably yeah ;) |
| [08:32:00] | SarahEmm: | don't remember that... |
| [08:32:00] | SarahEmm: | not sure =-/ |
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| [08:33:00] | topping: | what's the trick in MythDVD with DVDs that don't have sound? Is there one? |
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| [08:37:00] | Atamido: | Okay, that didn't work. |
| [08:38:00] | Atamido: | I guess I will just screw with the system clock everytime I reboot. |
| [08:41:00] | topping: | there is a way to fix it, just don't know what it is |
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| [08:46:00] | topping: | testing mythdvd is hard when the movies are good |
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| [09:14:00] | Red_Tide: | hey can someone explain exactly what mythtv is? |
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| [09:16:00] | PoonJ: | Red_Tide: in layman's terms...its a tivo-like system |
| [09:16:00] | PoonJ: | www.mythtv.org |
| [09:16:00] | AlHaz: | shoot, I was working on a *lie |
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| [09:22:00] | Red_Tide: | ok recently I have been hearing About these hdtv capture cards |
| [09:23:00] | Red_Tide: | if I understand correctly they capture broadcasted hdtv signals |
| [09:24:00] | Red_Tide: | anyone have any experience with these things? |
| [09:24:00] | topping: | Red_Tide: are you just wondering if they work? |
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| [09:25:00] | topping: | or do you have one and need help? |
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| [09:26:00] | Red_Tide: | i do not have one |
| [09:26:00] | topping: | so are you just wondering if they work? |
| [09:27:00] | Red_Tide: | yeah I guess and if they would work in my area |
| [09:27:00] | topping: | i would presume they work, because they don't generally announce stuff that doesn't work at all |
| [09:27:00] | SarahEmm: | where in the world are you? |
| [09:27:00] | Red_Tide: | vancouver bc |
| [09:27:00] | SarahEmm: | and what kind of HD feed are you trying to get into your PC? |
| [09:28:00] | topping: | if you have HD broadcasts and the card you have matches the type of signal, then chances are it's going to work |
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| [09:28:00] | topping: | europe is different than US |
| [09:28:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, we're ATSC here |
| [09:29:00] | Red_Tide: | I am assuming we would be atsc in canada then also |
| [09:29:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [09:29:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm canada :) |
| [09:29:00] | SarahEmm: | ATSC here |
| [09:29:00] | SarahEmm: | pulling HD OTA, or off cable, or what Red_Tide? |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | I have a pcHDTV. Works fine for OTA. It can do digital cable too, but my cable is encrypted, so it's worthless for that |
| [09:30:00] | SarahEmm: | red_tide: replace cable? where would TV come from then? |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | picture quality is excellent on actual HD content |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | most of what the networks show (and that's all you get with OTA) is upconverted crap |
| [09:32:00] | MonMotha: | PBS being the exception |
| [09:33:00] | MonMotha: | PBS-HD. All hi-def, all the time |
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| [09:40:00] | SarahEmm: | bbiab |
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| [09:41:00] | MonMotha: | hum, is there a manual aspect ratio override, like manual zoom? |
| [09:42:00] | MonMotha: | I have an idiotic NBC affiliate that stretches 4:3 to something less than full 16:9, leaving bars ont he side, and I'd like to crush it back to the proper aspect ratio |
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| [09:59:00] | [brantwinter]: | hi |
| [10:00:00] | [brantwinter]: | can anyone help me scan for channels ???? i am having so many issues here |
| [10:02:00] | [brantwinter]: | i have installed knopmyth |
| [10:02:00] | [brantwinter]: | hoe do i find the version of mythtv that is running > |
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| [10:05:00] | ilium: | is anyone actually in here ? |
| [10:05:00] | SarahEmm: | yep |
| [10:05:00] | SarahEmm: | i am now.. |
| [10:06:00] | ilium: | cool |
| [10:07:00] | ilium: | i am not sure if im in the right place, but i am having big issues with scanning for channels in my new mythtv install |
| [10:09:00] | SarahEmm: | okay.. |
| [10:09:00] | SarahEmm: | what card, what video source, etc? |
| [10:10:00] | adante: | what exactly do i need to setup a remote frontend? |
| [10:10:00] | adante: | should i be looking at settings in mythtv-setup, mythfrontend -> setup, or both? |
| [10:10:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: in what respect? |
| [10:10:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: oh, not mythtv-setup usually |
| [10:10:00] | SarahEmm: | what point are you at now? |
| [10:10:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: the settings to connect to a server |
| [10:11:00] | SarahEmm: | okay.. |
| [10:11:00] | SarahEmm: | so just enter the information on that page |
| [10:11:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: well i have a backend, with a frontend runninge machine |
| [10:11:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: now i have another machine which i just want a frontend on to connect to the above machine |
| [10:11:00] | SarahEmm: | i understand that... so when you start the fe, what happens? |
| [10:11:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: which page? mythfrontend -> setup? |
| [10:12:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [10:12:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: well it starts, and it tries to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| [10:12:00] | SarahEmm: | on the new frontend, what happens when you start it? |
| [10:12:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. |
| [10:12:00] | SarahEmm: | then run mythtv-setup on the backend :) |
| [10:12:00] | adante: | ^^ that's on the new frontend |
| [10:12:00] | SarahEmm: | you need to change the backend server IP in the General section to the network IP of the box, and not the loopback |
| [10:13:00] | adante: | yeah i've done that |
| [10:14:00] | adante: | the thing is where do i tell the frontend to connect to the backend |
| [10:14:00] | adante: | because it *looks* like in mythtv-setup, but.. yeah |
| [10:15:00] | adante: | the only settings in mythfrontend->setup->general are those for the database |
| [10:15:00] | ilium: | SarahEmm: I have both my frontend and backend server in the same machine |
| [10:15:00] | ilium: | I have just gone into mythtv-setup and I am looking at teh IP settings |
| [10:16:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: err... one sec. |
| [10:16:00] | ilium: | Am i right to just leave the IP address set as the loopback address, 127.0.0.1 |
| [10:16:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: yes. |
| [10:16:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: just one sec, i can only deal with one issue at a time |
| [10:16:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: there's no IP in there at all? |
| [10:17:00] | Cowman: | hey, having a problem with mythtv. when I try to do watch tv I get a black screen... and then it kicks me back to the menu after a little while |
| [10:17:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: no ip in where? in mythfrontend->setup->general there is the ip of my backend machine |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | right |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | what's that set to? |
| [10:17:00] | Cowman: | TV card is working for sure, I can play it with mplayer |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: anything in the backend log? |
| [10:17:00] | adante: | 192.168.1.109 (which is the ip of my backend) |
| [10:18:00] | Cowman: | something about permission denied to /lib/mythtv//nfslockfile.lock |
| [10:18:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: and it was already set to that? |
| [10:18:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: no i set it to that |
| [10:18:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: does that dir/file exist? |
| [10:19:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: okay. that's it then, exit and re-run the frontend |
| [10:19:00] | Cowman: | yup exists |
| [10:19:00] | ilium: | SarahEmm: it is set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [10:19:00] | Cowman: | I deleted it once and it's back |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: well unfortunately it's not, because: |
| [10:19:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: give me a minute... |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | 2005-07–10 18:18:11.468 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.109:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | 2005-07–10 18:18:11.596 Using protocol version 15 |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | 2005-07–10 18:18:14.428 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | Could not connect to server "127.0.0.1" @ port 6543 |
| [10:19:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: okay, give me a minute |
| [10:19:00] | adante: | it connects to the backestic reason it tries to connect to itself |
| [10:19:00] | SarahEmm: | i've got 5 questions from people right now heh |
| [10:19:00] | Cowman: | another thing that's going on: once I try to watch TV my video card no longer will work until I reboot |
| [10:19:00] | Cowman: | ok, I'll wait :P |
| [10:20:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: backestic? |
| [10:20:00] | adante: | sorry my irssi is mucking up, brb |
| [10:20:00] | adante: | thanks for help so far SarahEmm |
| [10:20:00] | SarahEmm: | np.. |
| [10:20:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: that was supposed to be "backend, but for some spastic reason.." |
| [10:20:00] | adante: | irssi's running rogue :] |
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| [10:20:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh hehe |
| [10:20:00] | ilium: | SarahEmm: The TV card is detected in the boot up screen as a Conexant WinFast TV2000 XP |
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| [10:21:00] | SarahEmm: | did you restart the backend adante? |
| [10:22:00] | ilium: | SarahEmm: With I reboot and go back into mythtv-setup I go into Capture Card Setup |
| [10:22:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: after i changed the listen ip from 127.blah to 192.blah, yes |
| [10:22:00] | ilium: | Card Type is DVB |
| [10:22:00] | ilium: | Card Name: VStream XPert DVB-T |
| [10:23:00] | ilium: | it detects it all OK |
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| [10:23:00] | ilium: | Video Sources ( dont know what this is all about ) |
| [10:23:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: hrm. and it's still coming up trying to connect to 127.0.0.1? |
| [10:23:00] | SarahEmm: | anything in the backend log adante? |
| [10:24:00] | ilium: | Video source setup: This is where I think all the issues are |
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| [10:24:00] | ilium: | I choose XMLTV listings as: Australia |
| [10:24:00] | ilium: | and all the aussie issues seem to point toward this tv_grab_au file |
| [10:24:00] | ilium: | can anyone help me ??????? |
| [10:25:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: yes, but i can only deal with 2–3 things at once |
| [10:25:00] | SarahEmm: | and i'm full right now |
| [10:25:00] | SarahEmm: | give me a few minutes |
| [10:25:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: anything in the backend log? |
| [10:25:00] | ilium: | SarahEmm: sure thing |
| [10:26:00] | Cowman: | need to have a take a number thing going :P |
| [10:27:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah :) |
| [10:27:00] | ilium: | i spent my whole sunday trying to get the tv bit to work :( |
| [10:28:00] | ilium: | whilst im waiting for SarahEmm – does anyone know if USB DVB-t boxes work with mythtv |
| [10:28:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: get a few adding: goatfarm as a client (events: 0) |
| [10:29:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: i should probably add i'm at the stage where i can see recorded shows and epg data, but i can't actually watch tv |
| [10:29:00] | adante: | (or recordings) |
| [10:29:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: uhh... why not? |
| [10:29:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: now that's a very very good question! :] |
| [10:30:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: because from my remote frontend logs, half the time it connects to 192.168.1.109:6543, and does so successfully |
| [10:30:00] | adante: | the other half of the time it tries to connect to 127.0.0.1:6543, and fails |
| [10:32:00] | SarahEmm: | ooh. |
| [10:32:00] | SarahEmm: | on the remote, you mean. okay. |
| [10:32:00] | SarahEmm: | *thinks* |
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| [10:33:00] | SarahEmm: | pastebin your backend log? |
| [10:33:00] | SarahEmm: | (At pastebin.ca) |
| [10:35:00] | SarahEmm: | adante? |
| [10:36:00] | ilium: | ... |
| [10:36:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: sorry went afk, back now |
| [10:36:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: ok hold on.. |
| [10:38:00] | SarahEmm: | ok.. |
| [10:40:00] | ilium: | hmmmm startign myttv install from scratch |
| [10:40:00] | adante: | SarahEmm: wait! unexpected success! |
| [10:40:00] | SarahEmm: | mew? what did you change? |
| [10:41:00] | adante: | i'm not sure, i didn't think anything |
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| [10:41:00] | adante: | i just went into watch recordings and tried to watch one so i could cut&paste the appropriate log snippet |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | hehe |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | and it works? |
| [10:41:00] | adante: | and yeah, it worked |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | cool! |
| [10:42:00] | ilium: | ... |
| [10:42:00] | SarahEmm: | adante: so everything's good now? |
| [10:42:00] | adante: | so yeah, thanks :] |
| [10:42:00] | SarahEmm: | np :) |
| [10:42:00] | SarahEmm is now known as NowSvingNbr2 | |
| [10:42:00] | NowSvingNbr2: | ilium! what's up? ;) |
| [10:42:00] | NowSvingNbr2 is now known as SarahEmm | |
| [10:42:00] | ilium: | ok :) |
| [10:42:00] | ilium: | i am reinstalling my mythtv box with knopmyth |
| [10:42:00] | ** Cowman listens to the elevator music ** | |
| [10:42:00] | ilium: | i have done this several times today |
| [10:42:00] | SarahEmm: | lol Cowman |
| [10:43:00] | ** SarahEmm listens to vnv nation ** | |
| [10:43:00] | ilium: | ok |
| [10:43:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: what's the issue you're having? |
| [10:43:00] | ilium: | once setup i cant get the channels to scan |
| [10:43:00] | ilium: | i am in australia |
| [10:44:00] | ilium: | everything else works on it |
| [10:44:00] | ilium: | dvd playback and rippig etc etc |
| [10:44:00] | SarahEmm: | to scan? |
| [10:44:00] | SarahEmm: | what do you mean scan? |
| [10:44:00] | adante: | in mythtv-setup? |
| [10:44:00] | ilium: | when i go into myth-setup |
| [10:44:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh.. |
| [10:44:00] | ilium: | and select the capture card |
| [10:45:00] | ilium: | then the next screen ( forgot what it is) select Australai |
| [10:45:00] | adante: | i probably missed this but what cards ilium? |
| [10:45:00] | ilium: | then link the data source |
| [10:45:00] | adante: | /s |
| [10:45:00] | ilium: | then I try and scan for channels in the Channel Editor |
| [10:45:00] | ilium: | i am using a V-Stream DVB-T card |
| [10:45:00] | ilium: | it detects as a Conexant TV2000 XO when myth boots |
| [10:45:00] | SarahEmm: | what happens when you try to scan? |
| [10:46:00] | ilium: | it gets siganl strength etc etc |
| [10:46:00] | ilium: | but just sits in 5% |
| [10:46:00] | ilium: | in the progress meter |
| [10:46:00] | SarahEmm: | anything in the backend log? |
| [10:46:00] | SarahEmm: | or mythtv-setup console output? |
| [10:46:00] | ilium: | i have read people having problems with the XMLTV stuff for Australia but cant find a fix for it |
| [10:46:00] | ilium: | not sure hwo to check the baCKEND LOG |
| [10:47:00] | SarahEmm: | cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [10:47:00] | SarahEmm: | that's the usual place for it anyway |
| [10:47:00] | ilium: | ok |
| [10:47:00] | ilium: | ok i am running the install again |
| [10:47:00] | SarahEmm: | ok.. |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | the issue has somethign to do with the tv_grab_au stuff |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | i dont understand any of it |
| [10:48:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... |
| [10:48:00] | SarahEmm: | i know nothing about that :( |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | i cant find any step by step guides for knopmyth |
| [10:48:00] | Cowman: | is the card working? |
| [10:48:00] | SarahEmm: | i used to use tv_grab_na but that doesn't exist anymore.. |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | ok thankns anyway |
| [10:48:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd look at the backend log once you're installed to that stage again |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | can you put the channels in manually |
| [10:48:00] | SarahEmm: | ilium: you need the grabber working to get listings and such |
| [10:48:00] | ilium: | rather than scanning for them ? |
| [10:49:00] | SarahEmm: | other than that, i'm not sure =-/ i've not used xmltv in awhile. sowwy! |
| [10:50:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman, what was up with your setup? |
| [10:50:00] | ilium: | adante: are you inbrisbane as well ? |
| [10:50:00] | Cowman: | well... a couple things but the worrysome one at the moment is when I go to watch tv it gives me a black screen, and my tv card no longer works until a reboot |
| [10:51:00] | Cowman: | oh.... black screen for like 30 seconds or so and then it goes back to the menu |
| [10:51:00] | adante: | ilium: yeah |
| [10:51:00] | SarahEmm: | oh, right. lock file? |
| [10:51:00] | SarahEmm: | what's the error agian? |
| [10:52:00] | Cowman: | /var/lib/mythtv//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied |
| [10:52:00] | Cowman: | Unable to open lockfile! |
| [10:52:00] | adante: | ilium: and yes, the tv_grab_au scripts are in a state which i do not really comprehend, or even try to |
| [10:52:00] | ilium: | adante: how did you get your channels set up ? Are you using a dvb-t card ?? |
| [10:52:00] | Cowman: | and I have done chmod 777 /var/lib/mythtv/nfslockfile.lock also deleted it... no help |
| [10:52:00] | Cowman: | the file is there |
| [10:52:00] | adante: | ilium: yep, visionplus |
| [10:53:00] | adante: | umm well i used it before the scanning was in place, so i manually put them in |
| [10:53:00] | Cowman: | one thing that bugs me though... what's up with the double slash in the error? |
| [10:53:00] | ilium: | adante: can you tell me how to manually put them in ?? |
| [10:53:00] | adante: | ilium: however, scanning has worked for me |
| [10:53:00] | ilium: | i am just rebooting now aftre installing knopmyth |
| [10:53:00] | Cowman: | AND why is it killing my tv card |
| [10:53:00] | ilium: | hmmmmm |
| [10:54:00] | ilium: | what are you running ?? are you using knopmyth as well ? |
| [10:54:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: hmmmmmmm. |
| [10:54:00] | adante: | ilium: umm yeah sure, holdon |
| [10:54:00] | Cowman: | debian.... |
| [10:54:00] | adante: | ilium: http://adante.11011.net/mythtv might be of some use, i dunno |
| [10:54:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: that's when going into livetv or recordings? |
| [10:54:00] | adante: | ilium: using gentoo + visionplus dvb-t |
| [10:55:00] | Cowman: | I don't have any recordings as of yet... I havn't got channel listings to work yet either |
| [10:55:00] | ilium: | ok |
| [10:55:00] | Cowman: | I'm using a direcTV reciever.. my input is just s-video |
| [10:55:00] | adante: | there's the grab script i use from there too |
| [10:55:00] | Cowman: | not using the tuner |
| [10:55:00] | Cowman: | and yeah mplayer /dev/video0 gives me tv which is how I know my card is set up right |
| [10:56:00] | ilium: | i am not sure how th=o get the grab script working |
| [10:56:00] | ilium: | i woudl settle just to be able to see one channel right now ! |
| [10:56:00] | ilium: | i am at the screen now after the first reboot |
| [10:56:00] | ilium: | Mythtv: with 5 options: |
| [10:57:00] | ilium: | 2. Capture cards |
| [10:57:00] | ilium: | my card come up under dvb |
| [10:57:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: oh... no listings either. hrm. =-/ |
| [10:57:00] | ilium: | so now i have DVB:0 |
| [10:57:00] | Cowman: | well it was working like the first 2 times |
| [10:57:00] | ilium: | 3. Video Sources |
| [10:57:00] | Cowman: | not listings but I could watch tv.... |
| [10:58:00] | ilium: | i give it a name: dvb |
| [10:58:00] | Cowman: | I could have messed up a setting.. but I ran mythtv-setup again and reset everything |
| [10:58:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: hm. that entire subdir is writable by the myth user? |
| [10:58:00] | ilium: | choose australia from xmltv listings grabber |
| [10:58:00] | Cowman: | should be writable by anyone |
| [10:58:00] | ilium: | alt tab |
| [10:58:00] | ilium: | fill out all the details |
| [10:58:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: should be, or is? :) |
| [10:58:00] | SarahEmm: | (the dir itself) |
| [10:58:00] | ilium: | 5 – QLD Brisbane |
| [10:59:00] | Cowman: | well I chmod 777 ed the whole thing |
| [10:59:00] | ilium: | 5. Free to Air Digital |
| [10:59:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: yikes. okay |
| [10:59:00] | SarahEmm: | ls -lad /var/lib/mythtv? |
| [10:59:00] | ilium: | i add all the channels it gives me |
| [10:59:00] | ilium: | 4. Input Selections |
| [11:00:00] | Cowman: | tv:/home/cowman# ls -lad /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [11:00:00] | Cowman: | drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2005-07–09 01:38 /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [11:00:00] | ilium: | I link the ZVideo source to the DVB:0 |
| [11:00:00] | ilium: | now to the dreaded channel editor |
| [11:00:00] | SarahEmm: | and you run mythbackend as user 'mythtv'? |
| [11:01:00] | Cowman: | I think it does on startup but I often find it's not running so I run it as root(and yeah yeah insecure...whatever) |
| [11:01:00] | ilium: | adnate: how do i set up a manual channel with the freqs on your webpage ? |
| [11:01:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: hrm. |
| [11:02:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: are other files in that dir not rw by all? |
| [11:02:00] | SarahEmm: | you should try to keep myth running as the same user all the time... |
| [11:02:00] | adante: | ilium: um hold on a second, i don't actually have access to my mythbox atm, i'm trying to run mythtv-setup to connect to a remote x server so i can see but i'm having trouble.. |
| [11:02:00] | Cowman: | there's only the one file in there |
| [11:02:00] | Cowman: | the .lock |
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| [11:02:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. hrm. |
| [11:02:00] | Cowman: | one user... you mean the backend, frontend, or both |
| [11:03:00] | SarahEmm: | backend |
| [11:03:00] | Cowman: | k |
| [11:03:00] | SarahEmm: | i mean, if you normally start it as mythtv, keep doing that, don't switch back and forth between root and mythtv heh |
| [11:03:00] | ilium: | ok |
| [11:03:00] | ** SarahEmm ponders ** | |
| [11:04:00] | Cowman: | see... you're supposed to just tell me a magic command to type in to make everything work :P |
| [11:04:00] | Cowman: | I've been scratching my head on this for a day or better... |
| [11:04:00] | Cowman: | especially the deal with it breaking the video card |
| [11:05:00] | SarahEmm: | hehe |
| [11:05:00] | SarahEmm: | i try to cowman, but this issue is hard ;) |
| [11:05:00] | Cowman: | hang on there are some other messages that will come up if I run mythfrontend |
| [11:05:00] | Cowman: | I'll run it and paste them |
| [11:05:00] | SarahEmm: | oh? |
| [11:05:00] | SarahEmm: | okay |
| [11:05:00] | Cowman: | and my card will be broke... |
| [11:06:00] | adante: | ilium: bleh i still can't get it up.. but anyway |
| [11:07:00] | adante: | ilium: in the 5. channel editor, can you just select new channel and enter the details there? |
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| [11:07:00] | ilium: | ok |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | just one thign though |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | i ssh'd into my myth box and ran the command to see the backend log |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | i see this down the bottom |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page |
| [11:07:00] | ilium: | of the general settings. |
| [11:08:00] | Cowman: | ok |
| [11:08:00] | SarahEmm: | set it, in General under mythtv-setup :) |
| [11:08:00] | Cowman: | where was that pasting site? |
| [11:08:00] | ilium: | now i have done that, and still see teh same entry |
| [11:08:00] | ilium: | do i have to reboot ? |
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| [11:08:00] | adante: | mm shouldn't, try restarting mythbackend? |
| [11:09:00] | jvs: | good morning |
| [11:10:00] | stoffel: | hi jvs |
| [11:10:00] | ilium: | adnate: how do I restart the backend ? |
| [11:10:00] | adante: | ilium: on knoppix, i have no idea :] possibly an init script |
| [11:11:00] | ilium: | :( |
| [11:11:00] | Cowman: | output: http://pastebin.ca/17363 |
| [11:11:00] | ilium: | ok when I exit that first install screen, the script is trying to run the filldatabse command |
| [11:12:00] | Cowman: | also got something else from the window I ran mythbackend from |
| [11:12:00] | fatmatt: | ilium: debian init script is "/etc/init.d/mythbackend start" |
| [11:12:00] | ilium: | i am just seeing a full list of: "ERROR: can't find the dataset for TEN Guide – 2005-07–11" |
| [11:12:00] | jvs: | hey stoffel |
| [11:12:00] | ilium: | is there anyone else in here who has managed to get anythign workign in Brisbane ? |
| [11:12:00] | Cowman: | http://pastebin.ca/17364 there's the other set of messages |
| [11:13:00] | fatmatt: | ilium: there isn't a dataset for TEN Guide, that should be the digital channel that has the guide info on it |
| [11:13:00] | SarahEmm: | ooh, that's not good Cowman |
| [11:13:00] | SarahEmm: | what card is that Cowman? |
| [11:14:00] | fatmatt: | ilium: thereshould be guide data for 10 Digital or something like that |
| [11:14:00] | Cowman: | pvr-150 |
| [11:15:00] | Cowman: | happauge... or however you spell it |
| [11:15:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: it works from mplayer? |
| [11:16:00] | Cowman: | yes.... until I run mythfrontend and get the black screen. after that it will no longer work unless I reboot |
| [11:16:00] | SarahEmm: | Cowman: hrm. what ivtv version? |
| [11:16:00] | SarahEmm: | and what myth version? |
| [11:17:00] | Cowman: | ivtv-0.3.6w |
| [11:17:00] | Cowman: | myth version 0.18.1 |
| [11:18:00] | SarahEmm: | hrm =-/ |
| [11:18:00] | Cowman: | the ivtv driver is a beta cause the stable version doesn't support the 150 yet |
| [11:18:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, i know |
| [11:18:00] | Cowman: | but if it works in mplayer I don't see why it wouldn't in myth |
| [11:18:00] | SarahEmm: | i have a -500 on my devel box that i'm running heh |
| [11:18:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah.. but it isn't. myth's complaining about no data.. |
| [11:18:00] | jvs: | does upgrading from ivtv stable branch to current cvs bring a noticeable performance boost? |
| [11:18:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm not sure tho :( i have little experience with those, my live box at home runs a bttv card |
| [11:19:00] | Cowman: | I'm kicking myself for not getting a 250..... the 150 was cheaper and in my ignorance I thought the only difference was software |
| [11:20:00] | Cowman: | turns out they're different chips.. |
| [11:20:00] | jvs: | Cowman: so what? |
| [11:20:00] | jvs: | can't you get it running? |
| [11:20:00] | ilium: | i think i might be getting closer.... |
| [11:20:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:20:22.029 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. |
| [11:20:00] | mchou: | Cowman: huh?? That is the only difference |
| [11:20:00] | ilium: | what does that error mean ? |
| [11:20:00] | Cowman: | no it's not.. |
| [11:21:00] | mchou: | I have 2x 150 and 250 |
| [11:21:00] | Cowman: | I thought I did have it working |
| [11:21:00] | Cowman: | but myth doesn't seem to like it |
| [11:21:00] | mchou: | Cowman: dunno what you complaining about. |
| [11:22:00] | Cowman: | I can't use mythtv with it |
| [11:22:00] | jvs: | how is this theme called, T.A.N.T.? |
| [11:22:00] | Cowman: | get a black screen |
| [11:22:00] | mchou: | Cowman: baloney. either it works or it doesnt work. Nothing to do with myth. |
| [11:22:00] | SarahEmm: | G.A.N.T jvs |
| [11:22:00] | jvs: | oh, yeah :) |
| [11:22:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: well, his works with mplayer but myth complains and dies |
| [11:22:00] | Cowman: | yup |
| [11:22:00] | jvs: | here it is somehow f*cked up |
| [11:22:00] | Cowman: | I can watch tv all day long over it on mplayer |
| [11:22:00] | mchou: | Cowman: what does myth say? |
| [11:23:00] | jvs: | browsing my video collection the title and command actually appear under the box where it actually should appear |
| [11:23:00] | Cowman: | http://pastebin.ca/17363 says that |
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| [11:23:00] | Cowman: | also says that |
| [11:23:00] | Cowman: | http://pastebin.ca/17364 |
| [11:23:00] | mchou: | lol: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/var/cache/mythtv//ringbuf1.nuv |
| [11:23:00] | Cowman: | AND after running myth I have to reboot to watch in mplayer |
| [11:24:00] | mchou: | that means you have file permission problems. |
| [11:24:00] | mchou: | that means you misconfigured myth. |
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| [11:24:00] | mchou: | ivtv and 150 works. |
| [11:24:00] | Cowman: | that means debian misconfigured myth |
| [11:24:00] | Cowman: | apt-get install |
| [11:24:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:24:00] | mchou: | bullshit |
| [11:25:00] | mchou: | debain is not responsible for finding out where you keep the ringbuffer and appropriate permissions. |
| [11:26:00] | mchou: | Cowman: try RTFM |
| [11:26:00] | Cowman: | I thought it was supposed to set up all the permissions |
| [11:26:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:26:00] | Cowman: | thought that was the whole point of using apt to install |
| [11:26:00] | Cowman: | instead of compiling and doing it all manually |
| [11:26:00] | mchou: | how the hell could it possibly do that? |
| [11:27:00] | Cowman: | easily |
| [11:27:00] | mchou: | right :) |
| [11:27:00] | Cowman: | you ever used debian before? |
| [11:27:00] | mchou: | it knows where you want to store the ringbuffer. unhuh |
| [11:28:00] | mchou: | use it all the time. |
| [11:28:00] | jvs: | Cowman: you set the path where to store the ringbuffer |
| [11:28:00] | Cowman: | where do I set that? |
| [11:28:00] | Cowman: | it never asked |
| [11:28:00] | mchou: | Cowman: RTFM |
| [11:28:00] | jvs: | I believe you should check the path to your temp folder |
| [11:28:00] | mchou: | of course it never asked. That's not apt's job |
| [11:28:00] | ilium: | hmmmmmm |
| [11:28:00] | Cowman: | well now here's one little issue though |
| [11:29:00] | ilium: | has anyone ever used the avermedia avertv usb box A800 with MythTv ?? |
| [11:29:00] | Cowman: | if I run the backend and frontend as root.... how can I have a permission problem? |
| [11:29:00] | mchou: | Cowman: the only issue is you never bothered to read the docs. |
| [11:29:00] | jvs: | first of all: don't run it as root |
| [11:29:00] | Cowman: | should have permission to everything |
| [11:29:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:29:00] | jvs: | secondly: DONT RUN IT AS ROOT! |
| [11:29:00] | Cowman: | I read an install guide... guess it was incomplete |
| [11:29:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:29:00] | Cowman: | why not? |
| [11:29:00] | mchou: | all of us have it working |
| [11:30:00] | Cowman: | I know it's insecure |
| [11:30:00] | mchou: | and you complain the docs are incomplete??? |
| [11:30:00] | jvs: | if you need root privileges run it using sudo |
| [11:30:00] | Cowman: | the guide I read on the internet was incomplete yes indeed |
| [11:31:00] | ilium: | is there a better / easier method to get mythtv installed rather than using knoppix / knopmyth ?? |
| [11:31:00] | mchou: | bullshit. then you read the wrong guides. |
| [11:31:00] | Cowman: | why is running as root a problem if I don't care about security |
| [11:31:00] | Cowman: | guess I read the wrong guide.. sheesh |
| [11:31:00] | jvs: | www.mythtv.org |
| [11:31:00] | jvs: | Documentation |
| [11:31:00] | jvs: | there it is |
| [11:31:00] | mchou: | Cowman: go read the docs from mythtv.org. |
| [11:32:00] | jvs: | even specific info on different distros on certain importants steps |
| [11:32:00] | mchou: | exactly! |
| [11:32:00] | Cowman: | ok |
| [11:32:00] | mchou: | and this dude comes in here expect apt to be be all and end all. |
| [11:32:00] | jvs: | Cowman: just read the docs, find the part on temporary files |
| [11:32:00] | jvs: | try to fix it |
| [11:32:00] | jvs: | and then ask again :) |
| [11:33:00] | mchou: | jvs: there wont be any need for him to ask once he has read it. |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | can someone tell me, if i have a dvb-t card installed, and it is detected in the setting screen for a capture card etc |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | should i expect my issues to be with it or somethign else |
| [11:33:00] | jvs: | mchou: could it happen, you are using G.A.N.T.? |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | i am now seeing this error in the logs: |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:28:51.888 DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second. |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:28:51.890 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 seconds. Stopping. |
| [11:33:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:28:51.921 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [11:34:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:28:52.891 DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second. |
| [11:34:00] | ilium: | 2005-07–10 19:28:52.892 Closing DVB recorder |
| [11:34:00] | mchou: | jvs: honest dont remember which theme I'm using atm. |
| [11:34:00] | SarahEmm: | please use pastebin.ca for longish pastes ilium |
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| [11:35:00] | jvs: | hmm, probably changing the language back to english will fix it |
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| [11:36:00] | mchou: | jvs: what the main color in GANT? |
| [11:36:00] | mchou: | what's* |
| [11:36:00] | jvs: | mchou: grey |
| [11:36:00] | jvs: | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythTh . . . p;theme=gant |
| [11:36:00] | mchou: | yeah, that's the one I'm using. |
| [11:36:00] | jvs: | fine |
| [11:37:00] | jvs: | here the title and running command when browsing my video collection just doesnt appear on the right place |
| [11:37:00] | jvs: | its below the boxes |
| [11:38:00] | mchou: | jvs: heh, sorry. I dont use video collection (like dvd) |
| [11:38:00] | mchou: | jvs: can you past a screenshot? |
| [11:38:00] | jvs: | mchou: no probelm |
| [11:38:00] | mchou: | post* |
| [11:38:00] | jvs: | umm, wait a moment |
| [11:40:00] | jvs: | Ill try vnc |
| [11:40:00] | jvs: | but first Ill will play around with the font size |
| [11:40:00] | jvs: | probably this will fix it |
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| [11:41:00] | jvs: | ah, before I forget |
| [11:41:00] | jvs: | anybody here who successfully ran xvidtune? |
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| [11:44:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah.... |
| [11:44:00] | SarahEmm: | i have jvs, why? |
| [11:44:00] | mchou: | anyone using ALC850 sound? |
| [11:45:00] | jvs: | SarahEmm: it has no effect here |
| [11:45:00] | mchou: | jvs: heh, that's weird. |
| [11:45:00] | jvs: | SarahEmm: Im successfully using the nvidia drivers, overscan is fine |
| [11:45:00] | jvs: | but since the picture on the tv is not centered using overscan will cut some parts |
| [11:45:00] | mchou: | I'm not sure svidtune works with svideo out :) |
| [11:46:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh, yeah prolly don't work with tv out |
| [11:46:00] | jvs: | when I run xvidtune the tv flickers, but the picture does not move |
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| [11:46:00] | jvs: | hmm, thats what I think now too |
| [11:47:00] | mchou: | jvs: What make is the vid card? |
| [11:48:00] | jvs: | fx5200 |
| [11:48:00] | jvs: | msi |
| [11:48:00] | jvs: | mchou: here is a screenshot: http://www.dahina.com/temp/video.png |
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| [11:49:00] | jvs: | would it possibly help to connect to the tv using scart? |
| [11:49:00] | mchou: | jvs: yeah, that looks like a font issue :) |
| [11:49:00] | jvs: | I have a svideo to scart adapter lying around |
| [11:49:00] | jvs: | mchou: Im not sure |
| [11:49:00] | jvs: | take a look at the picture |
| [11:50:00] | mchou: | by the way, is that show any good? |
| [11:50:00] | jvs: | the british version, season 1 to 3 is just amazing |
| [11:50:00] | mchou: | yeah, picture is a bit suspect |
| [11:50:00] | jvs: | it looks like everything is moved down and to the left |
| [11:50:00] | mchou: | you can change the xml file yourself :) |
| [11:50:00] | jvs: | or just down |
| [11:51:00] | jvs: | ok, this will probably fix it :) |
| [11:51:00] | jvs: | hmm, I will have to get ssh running |
| [11:52:00] | jvs: | this vncserver sucks too much cpu |
| [11:54:00] | mchou: | jvs: what window manager is that? |
| [11:54:00] | jvs: | on the screenshot? |
| [11:54:00] | mchou: | yeah |
| [11:54:00] | jvs: | metacity :) |
| [11:55:00] | mchou: | I think it's your window manager. |
| [11:55:00] | mchou: | everything is shifted down by the window bar height |
| [11:56:00] | mchou: | it's a bit suspicious to me :) |
| [11:56:00] | jvs: | ahhh, on the server |
| [11:56:00] | jvs: | Im using fluxbox |
| [11:56:00] | mchou: | weird. |
| [11:56:00] | mchou: | fluxbox doesnt have that problem :) |
| [11:57:00] | jvs: | I cannot believe is my wm |
| [11:57:00] | mchou: | well, look at the window bar height and the picture...... |
| [11:58:00] | mchou: | looks shifted by the same amount. |
| [12:00:00] | mchou: | sigh, this is really pissing me off. |
| [12:01:00] | mchou: | no hw mixing on the damn on-board sound. |
| [12:01:00] | mchou: | now I got to use another pci slot for sound card?? |
| [12:01:00] | mchou: | this is crap! |
| [12:03:00] | mchou: | I'm gonna have to go buy an a64 board that has only agp and old pci...... |
| [12:04:00] | mchou: | this pci-e crap is too impractical |
| [12:04:00] | diamon: | Well, my remote is working fine for MythTV and watching recorded videos, etc, but while watching DVD's the remote is useless. Did I miss something? |
| [12:04:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: impractical how? |
| [12:05:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: 3 legacy pci slots is not enough. |
| [12:05:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh *nods* |
| [12:05:00] | mchou: | nor are 3 pci-e slots |
| [12:05:00] | SarahEmm: | depends what it's for :) |
| [12:05:00] | SarahEmm: | my backend just has 1PCI and that's it |
| [12:05:00] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [12:05:00] | mchou: | you only have one capture card? |
| [12:06:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [12:06:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:06:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd like more than one, but you need a Lot of CPU to do that with bttv =-/ |
| [12:06:00] | mchou: | that would never work for me :) |
| [12:06:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [12:06:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd love more than one |
| [12:06:00] | SarahEmm: | but a 1.7ghz celeron won't do 2 |
| [12:06:00] | mchou: | air2pc, 2x150..... |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | for you? |
| [12:07:00] | mchou: | and a crapload of other HW. |
| [12:07:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | *nods* |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | ATI TV Wonder here :) |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | that's it. |
| [12:07:00] | mchou: | ouch! |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | i'll drop the -500 in whenever it has decent stable support |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: ouch? |
| [12:07:00] | mchou: | ATI TV Wonder |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. |
| [12:07:00] | SarahEmm: | why ouch? |
| [12:08:00] | mchou: | cause that's a "problem child" |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | oh? |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | okay |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | works fine for me |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | got a better idea? ;) |
| [12:08:00] | fatmatt: | I'm running a 2ghz celeron with an analog tuner and a digital tuner, seems fine, same box does the frontend as well |
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| [12:08:00] | mchou: | SarahEmm: you got lucky |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | Fatmatt: what card? |
| [12:08:00] | SarahEmm: | s |
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| [12:09:00] | fatmatt: | twinhan/visionplus dvb and an old bt878 analog |
| [12:09:00] | mchou: | bah, digital tuner wont take much cpu...... |
| [12:09:00] | mchou: | fatmatt: so that's really only one SW encoder in your system. |
| [12:10:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, just one sw encoder then |
| [12:10:00] | fatmatt: | its a cheap card, does most of its work in sw, or so I've been told |
| [12:10:00] | SarahEmm: | i can't throw a second sw card in mine... |
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| [12:10:00] | SarahEmm: | and none of the PVR-xxx cards do captioning yet =-/ |
| [12:11:00] | mchou: | I could have sworn CC was working at one point in time. |
| [12:11:00] | mchou: | like chris still has some old docs on cc |
| [12:14:00] | mchou: | it's bedtime |
| [12:14:00] | mchou: | work on this a64 crap tomorrow. |
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| [12:33:00] | ilium007: | can someone please tell me the location of the backend logs ? |
| [12:33:00] | fatmatt: | /var/log/myth |
| [12:34:00] | ilium007: | dir doesnt exist :| |
| [12:35:00] | fatmatt: | somethign like that, look around |
| [12:35:00] | fatmatt: | mythtv? |
| [12:36:00] | ilium007: | can someone please help me with this one: |
| [12:36:00] | ilium007: | ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup. |
| [12:37:00] | ilium007: | I am not sure what PIDS are ? |
| [12:37:00] | fatmatt: | theres a frequency that you tune the dvb card to, |
| [12:37:00] | fatmatt: | on that frequency, the digital data streams are ID'd by PIDs |
| [12:38:00] | fatmatt: | so, you can have HD/SD/audio/extra channels on the one frequency |
| [12:38:00] | fatmatt: | basically, each channel will have an audio and a video PID |
| [12:38:00] | ilium007: | oh |
| [12:38:00] | ilium007: | do you know where i find the PIDS for Brisbane, Australia |
| [12:39:00] | ilium007: | and where do i set this data ? |
| [12:39:00] | fatmatt: | but... myth can autodetect those if you give it the right number, I forget what that ones called |
| [12:39:00] | fatmatt: | mythtv-setup channel config |
| [12:39:00] | fatmatt: | just a sec |
| [12:40:00] | fatmatt: | I don't have access to mythtv-setup from here, but I can look at the database settings |
| [12:42:00] | ilium007: | ok thanks |
| [12:44:00] | fatmatt: | think you need to look at "transportid" |
| [12:44:00] | fatmatt: | have you checked out dba.org.au ? |
| [12:44:00] | fatmatt: | theres a mythtv howto on one of those sites |
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| [12:45:00] | ilium007: | yeah i have just found the freqs |
| [12:46:00] | ilium007: | just dont know how to enter it into mythtv-setup |
| [12:47:00] | ilium007: | i have gone into chennel editor and when you choose scan for channels |
| [12:47:00] | fatmatt: | just keep going through the channel setup I think, there should be the options to enter the dvb info |
| [12:47:00] | ilium007: | you get the option to use Advanced settings |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | i add a transport mode: 177500000 for 177.5 MHz and Bandwidth to 7Mhz |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | and then save it |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | i choose scan channels |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | existign transport |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | and it now just sits there saying siganl locked |
| [12:48:00] | ilium007: | strength is 100% |
| [12:49:00] | ilium007: | Scan Activity just sits on 5% |
| [12:49:00] | ilium007: | the only option it gives is to cancel |
| [12:49:00] | fatmatt: | I don't remember the exact steps |
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| [12:50:00] | ilium007: | can anyone else help ? |
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| [12:53:00] | ilium007: | i am beginneing to think i should have stuck with Windows Media Centre edition |
| [12:53:00] | ilium007: | there is just not enough support for some of these open source products |
| [12:54:00] | ilium007: | especially for non programmers |
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| [12:54:00] | fatmatt: | lol |
| [13:01:00] | ilium007: | i didnt think that was funy :( |
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| [13:05:00] | jvs: | you still can get WMC |
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| [13:35:00] | diamon: | Sadly, it's also not exactly 'prime time' for other users in here to help you... |
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| [13:55:00] | laga: | http://www.lanceadvance.com/project_Linux_-_M . . . sic_4244.htm <- heh, nicd |
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| [14:25:00] | jvs: | anybody here knows how to center the tv-out? |
| [14:27:00] | stoffel: | experiment with the modeline settings |
| [14:28:00] | diamon: | jvs: Just starting to mess with centering the TV stuff myself. |
| [14:28:00] | jvs: | diamon: I have no clue how to get this done |
| [14:28:00] | jvs: | xvidtune has no effect on my tv |
| [14:29:00] | jvs: | the blackborders at the top and on the left are ugly |
| [14:29:00] | diamon: | I think the best way to go about it is (in my case) modifications to my X configuration for my NVidia card. |
| [14:29:00] | jvs: | I got an fx5200 |
| [14:29:00] | jvs: | using S-VIDEO and PAL-B |
| [14:30:00] | jvs: | ConnectedMonitor "TV" |
| [14:30:00] | jvs: | what else could there be set? |
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| [14:32:00] | fatmatt: | jvs: theres stuff on that in the install guide/docs |
| [14:32:00] | jvs: | of nvidia? |
| [14:33:00] | fatmatt: | mythtv, |
| [14:33:00] | diamon: | Same here, a 5200. There's overscan and other whatnot settings for the nvidia driver. Check Appendix H of the readme from Nvidia.com |
| [14:34:00] | diamon: | Myth can do some settings, but mine's off for everything in X, so I'm going to adjust the whole set. |
| [14:34:00] | jvs: | fatmatt: Ill check the docs |
| [14:35:00] | fatmatt: | look under the miscellaneous section |
| [14:35:00] | jvs: | diamon: there is nothing beside overscan for adjusting the size or position of your tv-out |
| [14:36:00] | jvs: | fatmatt: its not mythtvs gui, its the tv-out at all |
| [14:37:00] | fatmatt: | have you got the nvtv package? |
| [14:37:00] | jvs: | fatmatt: its for older chipsets than the fx5200, I believe |
| [14:38:00] | fatmatt: | I use this line in my config file for x "nvtv -t -r 800,600 -o -1,-1 -s HUGE" |
| [14:38:00] | fatmatt: | ahhh , didn't know it was older |
| [14:38:00] | fatmatt: | I've got a gforcemx |
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| [14:41:00] | jvs: | hmm, I will check |
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| [14:45:00] | jvs: | no supported video card found. |
| [14:47:00] | fatmatt: | not good |
| [14:48:00] | jvs: | Im trying to solve this problem for 4 weeks now |
| [14:49:00] | laga: | jvs: what kind of geforce? |
| [14:49:00] | stoffel: | jvs: as i said, using a custom modeline should work |
| [14:53:00] | jvs: | MSI fx52000 |
| [14:53:00] | jvs: | fx5200 |
| [14:53:00] | jvs: | stoffel: xvidtune does not have any effects |
| [14:55:00] | stoffel: | jvs: i never used xvidtune, but created a modeline using fbset and put that in my XF8Config-4. ymmv |
| [14:55:00] | jvs: | hmm |
| [14:55:00] | jvs: | fbset |
| [14:55:00] | jvs: | what card are you using? |
| [14:56:00] | stoffel: | an old matrox marvel g400-tv |
| [14:56:00] | jvs: | yeah |
| [14:56:00] | jvs: | you are using the framebuffer to output the picture on the first head to the second |
| [14:56:00] | diamon: | There it is... Per the NVidia forums Overscan does not work properly at the moment. Guess I just saved myself a lot of time and cursing... |
| [14:56:00] | jvs: | this is the only way, beside directfb, to get full hw acceleration on a matrox |
| [14:57:00] | stoffel: | jvs, iirc yes, i haven't touched this for a long time |
| [14:57:00] | jvs: | but I got an nvidia card |
| [14:57:00] | jvs: | so, fbset will not do it :) |
| [14:58:00] | jvs: | diamon: it works just fine... but it only makes sense if the picture on the tv is centered |
| [14:58:00] | stoffel: | the nvidia tv-out is using the same settings as for the monitor connected to it? |
| [14:58:00] | jvs: | not exaclty since it is a tv |
| [14:59:00] | jvs: | it will use different hsync and vsync |
| [15:01:00] | jvs: | hmm |
| [15:01:00] | jvs: | you think I should try it using fbset /dev/fb0 |
| [15:01:00] | stoffel: | jvs: dunno then. but have a look at the ModeLine description in man XF86Config-4 in the Monitor section |
| [15:01:00] | jvs: | what are your settings? |
| [15:02:00] | jvs: | I will |
| [15:02:00] | stoffel: | jvs: what settings? |
| [15:03:00] | jvs: | I didnt know framebuffer would have the same effect on the nvidia as on the matrox |
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| [15:05:00] | cortezdapimp: | good morning, anyone awake? |
| [15:06:00] | cortezdapimp: | i moved my recordings dir /myth//tv off to an external drive so i could make more... but myth status shows the space available on my main partition |
| [15:06:00] | stoffel: | jvs: framebuffer mode is only used to bypass Matrox' macrovision implementation for the tv-out. |
| [15:07:00] | stoffel: | iirc, it's long ago since i set that up |
| [15:08:00] | jvs: | k |
| [15:08:00] | jvs: | so I will have to find out correct modes for my nvidia card now |
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| [15:27:00] | jvs: | ok |
| [15:27:00] | jvs: | I have used a modeline generator and added the modeline to my xorg.conf |
| [15:33:00] | jvs: | hmm, doesnt work |
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| [15:36:00] | Gniarf: | -MythLogBot- This channel is logged – http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/ |
| [15:37:00] | Gniarf: | \o/ |
| [15:37:00] | Discipulus: | same thing just happened in #ubuntu, except with the nick asd |
| [15:37:00] | Discipulus: | same IP though |
| [15:38:00] | Discipulus: | smart bot |
| [15:38:00] | Gniarf: | yeah yeah |
| [15:39:00] | laga: | heh |
| [15:40:00] | Gniarf: | and others |
| [15:40:00] | laga: | and i've discovered that my dedicated server box got cracked by some albanian ******** |
| [15:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: doh! |
| [15:40:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yep. |
| [15:40:00] | Discipulus: | laga, that sucks |
| [15:42:00] | ** laga is still analysing $stuff. ** | |
| [15:42:00] | laga: | sucks that i'm not very good at it ;) |
| [15:42:00] | crash-x: | how did he come in? |
| [15:43:00] | laga: | crash-x: looks like a security hole in pnphpBB to me. |
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| [15:43:00] | laga: | a friend's website. |
| [15:43:00] | rezn: | good morning |
| [15:43:00] | laga: | hi rezn |
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| [15:44:00] | crash-x: | heh |
| [15:44:00] | crash-x: | phpBB sucks |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Yuck. At my last job I use to have to deal with a lot of that sort of thing, never fun |
| [15:45:00] | crash-x: | it was probably a script kiddy who rootet you, i bet he didnt backdoor you properly |
| [15:45:00] | crash-x: | rooted* |
| [15:45:00] | crash-x: | laga: what kernel did you use? |
| [15:45:00] | crash-x: | do you have a lot of suid 0 programs installed? |
| [15:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I hope you have good backups :) |
| [15:46:00] | rezn: | heh, this is a subject i know more about than mythtv |
| [15:46:00] | laga: | crash-x: http://pastebin.ca/17371 <- looks like a fine backdoor to me. |
| [15:46:00] | laga: | Linux a15172213 2.6.8.1–040909 #1 SMP Thu Sep 9 12:57:46 CEST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| [15:46:00] | ** laga is still chatting on this box ** | |
| [15:47:00] | crash-x: | nah the backdoor sucked |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Do you have physical access? |
| [15:47:00] | crash-x: | be happy that he didnt backdoor your kernel with a _really_ good rootkit |
| [15:47:00] | Discipulus: | haha, that backdoor does suck |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: nope. |
| [15:47:00] | rezn: | laga: hmm, thats not much of a backdoor, at least, its not very stealthy. any decent haxor would have used a kernel rootkit |
| [15:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like time for a wipe and restore from known good backups |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | rezn: yep. |
| [15:47:00] | crash-x: | yeah |
| [15:47:00] | laga: | well, the box acts really odd now. it won't reboot etc. i guess there is more stuff broken. |
| [15:48:00] | rezn: | 2.6.8 has some known vulns too, unless you've patched/disabled all the modules in question |
| [15:48:00] | Discipulus: | laga, if you unplug it, it'll reboot |
| [15:48:00] | crash-x: | lucky there are not many good kernel 2.6 rootkits public |
| [15:48:00] | Discipulus: | laga, you have chrootkit installed, correct? |
| [15:48:00] | rezn: | theres plenty circulating though, even if not 'publicly' |
| [15:49:00] | laga: | Discipulus: not yet. |
| [15:49:00] | Discipulus: | laga, bah, a Linux comp should always have that installed |
| [15:49:00] | crash-x: | laga: try mv /sbin/init /tmp/init; vim /tmp/init |
| [15:49:00] | Discipulus: | laga, prepare for the unexpected |
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| [15:49:00] | crash-x: | and look if its a shell script |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | looks quiet binary to me ;) |
| [15:50:00] | diamon: | Not that it being binary guarantees anything... |
| [15:50:00] | crash-x: | heh |
| [15:50:00] | laga: | and the interface is in promiscous mode.... |
| [15:50:00] | crash-x: | but then its probably not the suckit rootkit ;) |
| [15:50:00] | rezn: | theres plenty of places suckit can be installed other than init |
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| [15:51:00] | crash-x: | yes but most kiddies dont |
| [15:51:00] | Discipulus: | hmm, alright, if the device is in promiscous mode and you aren't running a packet sniffer then chances are they installed a rootkit |
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| [15:51:00] | rezn: | no |
| [15:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: If you have another HD, restore your backups to it, and later you can mount your old one as ro,nodev,nosuid,noexec do examination |
| [15:51:00] | diamon: | I'm hoping you have good backups! |
| [15:51:00] | rezn: | if you see the device in promiscuos mode, there prob isnt a rootkit |
| [15:51:00] | rezn: | a rootkit would hide that from userlane |
| [15:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | IF you want to spend the time to see what they did :) |
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| [15:51:00] | crash-x: | not all rezn |
| [15:51:00] | rezn: | id suggest you dd the partition to a spare drive, and reinstall |
| [15:52:00] | crash-x: | http://la-samhna.de/library/rootkits/detect.html laga check syscall table with kern check |
| [15:52:00] | rezn: | and spend all your 'free time' going over what happened, if you care |
| [15:52:00] | diamon: | rezn: That'll work too, and carefully carry over data from the original, but no programs... |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | i dont have physical access to the hard disk. |
| [15:52:00] | rezn: | then contact whoever does |
| [15:52:00] | laga: | and yes, i want to know what they did to the poor machine. ;) |
| [15:53:00] | Discipulus: | lol |
| [15:53:00] | crash-x: | did the backdoor run as root? |
| [15:53:00] | rezn: | they're probably reading this conversation with great interest |
| [15:53:00] | laga: | rezn: yep. |
| [15:53:00] | crash-x: | err they must have root |
| [15:53:00] | crash-x: | :/ |
| [15:53:00] | diamon: | Heh! |
| [15:53:00] | crash-x: | lol |
| [15:54:00] | rezn: | laga: and, next time, try a kernel with grsec/pax, it'll save your ass 9 out of 10 times |
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| [15:54:00] | diamon: | pax? |
| [15:54:00] | crash-x: | and apply hardened php patches to php |
| [15:54:00] | Discipulus: | grsec/pax ? |
| [15:54:00] | rezn: | http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php – kernel patches |
| [15:54:00] | laga: | crash-x: i dont see their rootkit in ps :/ |
| [15:54:00] | diamon: | Ah, Pax is an execshield-like thingy. |
| [15:55:00] | rezn: | that make it really hard to exploit classes of bugs |
| [15:55:00] | laga: | yeah, grsec is nice, but i didn't want to break any of the suse stuff |
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| [15:55:00] | ** laga is going to use debian the next time, with tripwire and grsec ** | |
| [15:55:00] | crash-x: | laga: is tehre something with lpd? |
| [15:55:00] | rezn: | laga: well, some of that suse stuff got you owned |
| [15:55:00] | diamon: | laga: Most kits stealth themselves with hidden kernel modules and corrupted ls and ps, etc. |
| [15:55:00] | crash-x: | laga: try kern check |
| [15:56:00] | laga: | crash-x: http://pastebin.ca/17371 <- here is something with 'lpd', however, i dunno what it does |
| [15:56:00] | laga: | crash-x: let me try chkrootkit first |
| [15:56:00] | rezn: | one thing you can try is to boot with a known-good kernel image, and compare the view of the filesystem with the one from the known-rooted image |
| [15:56:00] | crash-x: | yeah it sets argv[0] to lpd |
| [15:56:00] | crash-x: | so when you do a ps |
| [15:56:00] | crash-x: | you see lpd |
| [15:56:00] | crash-x: | instead of the backdoors name |
| [15:57:00] | crash-x: | rezn: it would probably load the modules when he boots |
| [15:57:00] | rezn: | oh yeah, thats why i stick to static kernel |
| [15:57:00] | rezn: | s |
| [15:57:00] | crash-x: | oh sorry didnt see it |
| [15:57:00] | rezn: | modules are asking for trouble |
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| [15:58:00] | laga: | the fun thing is: the exploited script wasn't in use anymore. if he'd deleted it, nothing would have happened |
| [15:58:00] | crash-x: | he has still writeable kmem |
| [15:58:00] | rezn: | yeah, thats where grsec comes in |
| [15:58:00] | crash-x: | and the attacker could also patch the kernel directly, then rootkit would be loaded when he reboots next time |
| [15:58:00] | crash-x: | then he has just to set the proper uptime |
| [15:58:00] | rezn: | not if he reboots with a known-good kernel |
| [15:58:00] | crash-x: | and nobody would notice it |
| [15:58:00] | crash-x: | yeah |
| [15:59:00] | rezn: | so, i have a myth question if no one minds. |
| [15:59:00] | rezn: | im planning out my hardware, looking at an asus-pundit (sis version) with 2 pvr-250s |
| [15:59:00] | Discipulus: | heh |
| [15:59:00] | Discipulus: | after all that |
| [16:00:00] | rezn: | wonder how much ram/what kind of proc i'd need |
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| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | tekke: Well, follow the source and look where the tuner info is set before a recording starts. See what is does and what you need to influence |
| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | does anyone know if nuvexport can crop off black boxes? (from letterboxing) |
| [16:02:00] | Discipulus: | alright |
| [16:02:00] | Discipulus: | I'm out for now |
| [16:02:00] | Discipulus: | peace |
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| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | I'm hoping to trim the boxes off the top and bottom of a show that is 16x9 but being broadcast as 4x3 |
| [16:04:00] | fatmatt: | is there a crop option in nuvexport? |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | fatmatt – is this where you tell me to figure it out on my own? |
| [16:04:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: no it can't. Not yet |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – thanks... but is avidemux or one of the currently used tools capable? (i.e. could I figure it out with the tools I have?) |
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| [16:05:00] | fatmatt: | Tommck: nahh, but there might be something else that could crop an avi or something |
| [16:05:00] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg and transcode are both fully capable of doing it |
| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – ahh.. ok.. oh duh! |
| [16:06:00] | Beirdo: | but we haven't coded an "arbitrary crop" yet |
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| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | it already crops the overscan if you want... ok... I'm a dumbass |
| [16:06:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [16:06:00] | laga: | re. |
| [16:06:00] | Beirdo: | and it will letterbox and pillarbox too |
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| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | are letterbox boxes standard in size? |
| [16:06:00] | Tommck: | I would think they are. |
| [16:07:00] | Beirdo: | fairly, but it calculates what's necessary |
| [16:07:00] | Beirdo: | it does that when you take 16:9 video and ask for an output format that's 4:3 |
| [16:07:00] | Beirdo: | such as DVD, VCD, SVCD |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | right... |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | but I have 4x3 video that actually is 16x9 with black boxes on the top and bottom |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | it doesn't handle that automagically, does it? |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | cropping that automatically would be hard |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | yeah.. I thought so |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | once we add code, you'll have to enter how much to crop, I think |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | but, isn't it just a matter of math to figure out how big it needs to be? |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | because it may not be 16:9 |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | right... but if a person tells the nuvexport script that... |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | most DVD sources have animorphic video that's more like 2.3:1 |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | but if you determine how much to crop, we should be able to crop it for you |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | then make it a 16:9 output |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | with letterboxing if required |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | right. this could be interesting |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | or if going to DiVX, none would be required |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | well, I'm removing the letterboxing on purpose |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | I want a widescreen DVD |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | but I guess it might need letterboxing to be a normal DVD ratio? |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | like the 2.3:1 |
| [16:11:00] | Beirdo: | we need to add support for 16:9 DVD output some decade, but I'm not sure how the DVD authoring software handles that |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | me neither |
| [16:11:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go get ready for church |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | but I am thinking about trying to figure this out |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | ok... enjoy |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | if you figure out how we'd tell the authoring software that the source is widescreen... it would be nice to have |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | seeya later, dude |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | cya |
| [16:13:00] | laga: | hf Beirdo |
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| [16:13:00] | laga: | umm. anyone got a quick iptables line to block an ip from accessing a machine? |
| [16:14:00] | rezn: | laga: iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 128.128.128.128 -j DROP |
| [16:14:00] | laga: | thank you very much. |
| [16:15:00] | rezn: | it wont last a reboot |
| [16:15:00] | laga: | doesn't matter, this box won't reboot anyways ;) |
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| [16:30:00] | Tommck: | I am confused about the 4x3 and 16x9 ratios... can someone help me understand? |
| [16:31:00] | Tommck: | my understanding is that NTSC is 720x480, 704x480 or 352x480 |
| [16:31:00] | Tommck: | but none of those fits either 4x3 or 16x9 |
| [16:31:00] | Tommck: | so, what am I missing? |
| [16:31:00] | rezn: | Tommck: the pixels arent square |
| [16:31:00] | Tommck: | I thought they were round |
| [16:32:00] | Tommck: | are you saying they're oval? |
| [16:32:00] | rezn: | yes. at least, on the tv set |
| [16:33:00] | Tommck: | interesting. |
| [16:33:00] | rezn: | or i could be wrong, but thats what i think. someone here will undoubtedly school us both |
| [16:34:00] | Tommck: | well, my 4:3 ratio TV signal that I record on a PVR-500 is being exported as 720x480 when I go to "DVD" from nuvexport and that's confusing me a little bit |
| [16:35:00] | AlHaz: | on a regular shadow mask, the sub-pixels are round and make a triangle |
| [16:35:00] | Tommck: | AlHaz – right... because there are RG&B |
| [16:35:00] | AlHaz: | trinitron and derivatives, the subpixels are skinny rectangles standing next to eachother |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | right.. but, is it an isoceles (sp?) triangle? |
| [16:36:00] | AlHaz: | when people say "square pixel" they mean that the aspect ratio of the screen is 1:1 instead of all this 4:3 business that makes it hard to draw things |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | if so, it should come out "square" |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | I'm trying to figure out how a 720x480 image actually has my "4x3" image on it |
| [16:38:00] | AlHaz: | All standard DVDs are 720x480 |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | because I was trying to figure out the math to cut the letterboxes off the top and bottom. Since the image is "4x3", I could figure out how a "16x9" would fit in it, but the image isn't 4x3 |
| [16:39:00] | Tommck: | AlHaz – ah.. ok |
| [16:39:00] | AlHaz: | and the player is expected to read the intented aspect ratio from the metadata and scale appropriately |
| [16:39:00] | Tommck: | ok |
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| [16:40:00] | Tommck: | oops... accidentally exitted the room |
| [16:41:00] | Tommck: | well.. when I select something in nuvexport to export, it says that the show is "720x480 MPEG2 (4:3)" |
| [16:41:00] | AlHaz: | I had a hard time wrapping my head around the dvd rez thing too, a few years ago. SVCD is 480x480. |
| [16:41:00] | AlHaz: | right |
| [16:41:00] | Tommck: | so, the show is already 4x3, but the ratio of those things is wacky |
| [16:41:00] | AlHaz: | The data itself is 720x480 and must be so or some dvd players will freak out |
| [16:42:00] | AlHaz: | but the intende display aspect ratio is 4:3 |
| [16:42:00] | Tommck: | right, but this isn't a DVD yet... |
| [16:42:00] | Tommck: | it's a recording from myth |
| [16:42:00] | AlHaz: | hm |
| [16:44:00] | Tommck: | yeah... the NUV file is already 720x480 |
| [16:44:00] | Tommck: | the output of "nuvinfo" tells me that |
| [16:45:00] | AlHaz: | I don't fully understand why 720x480 is a standard capture rez, either |
| [16:45:00] | AlHaz: | probably just convenient |
| [16:45:00] | Tommck: | bit it says the aspect is 1.3333 |
| [16:45:00] | Tommck: | but 720x480 is 1.5 |
| [16:45:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [16:45:00] | ** Tommck is waaaay confused ** | |
| [16:45:00] | AlHaz: | Right, the deal is, they've captured more bits from left to right than you'll see on the screen |
| [16:46:00] | Tommck: | I wonder if that's in my recording profile or something |
| [16:46:00] | AlHaz: | the intended display aspect ratio is encoded in the file metadata |
| [16:46:00] | Tommck: | and whether it should be changed |
| [16:46:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [16:46:00] | AlHaz: | so your video card has a back-end scaler that does the stretching |
| [16:46:00] | AlHaz: | 16x9 videos are 720x480 on the dvd, too |
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| [16:46:00] | Tommck: | it's a pvr-500 |
| [16:47:00] | Tommck: | but squished and then stretched by the player? |
| [16:47:00] | Tommck: | (stored squished) |
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| [16:47:00] | AlHaz: | yep |
| [16:47:00] | Tommck: | interesting. |
| [16:48:00] | Tommck: | I wonder if I should switch my recording profile to do 640x480, since it's a 4x3 signal |
| [16:48:00] | Tommck: | heck.. I wonder if I am the one who switched it to 720x480 in the first place |
| [16:48:00] | AlHaz: | You could, and it would save a little space, and make exporting to dvd a bit more cpu intensive |
| [16:48:00] | Tommck: | can anyone else tell me the default recording profile ratio for a PVR card? |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | well, it already takes 1 1/2 hours on my P4 2.4 ... |
| [16:49:00] | AlHaz: | I don't have a pvr card at home. I have a 250 at work, but we don't use myth |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | I have it using the cutlist and cropping the overscan stuff, so I guess I understand why |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | but for a 1 hour show, it seems excessive :) |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | anyone else in here have a PVR-X50 and can tell me the default ratio? |
| [16:50:00] | AlHaz: | Yeah, it does |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | I tried doing it on my P4 3.2 front-end, but it always fails waiting for mythtranscode to set up fifos... no idea why |
| [16:52:00] | travolta: | i got a pvr250 and cap stuff at 480x480 @ 2600mbit (?) |
| [16:52:00] | travolta: | looks ok on my screen |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | travolta – interesting... square capture |
| [16:52:00] | AlHaz: | travolta: that's a standard capture rez, same as SVCD |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | but if I want it to be a good 4x3, maybe I should go with 640x480 |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | (which is what I do mostly) |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | though, to confuse things, I have a 16x9 TV :) |
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| [16:56:00] | Tommck: | so, I'm thinking that I should be able to take my existing mpg files and crop 60 pixels off of the top and bottom to get rid of the black boxes. According to my calculations, that would be the size of the boxes |
| [16:57:00] | AlHaz: | You can sure do that |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | now, to figure out how to do that :) |
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| [17:50:00] | rezn: | can anyone explain the differences between a pvr250 and pvr350? |
| [17:50:00] | rezn: | (hauppauge) |
| [17:51:00] | Tommck: | the 350 has an additional mpeg DEcoder and an s-video out |
| [17:51:00] | Chutt: | if you go to hauppauge's website, they have a webpage that does that. |
| [17:51:00] | Tommck: | good point |
| [17:52:00] | rezn: | Tommck: I guess I mean with respect to mythtv; does it support the decoder and the s-video out? |
| [17:52:00] | Tommck: | yes |
| [17:52:00] | Chutt: | that's in the docs, too |
| [17:53:00] | ** Tommck pictures Chutt holding a "RTFM" stamp ** | |
| [17:53:00] | ** rezn scurrys off to read some docs before Chett shoots him ** | |
| [17:53:00] | rezn: | er, Chutt |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | rotfl |
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| [18:04:00] | laga: | OT: how can i get the PID of a process who is occupying a certain port? |
| [18:04:00] | AlHaz: | lsof |
| [18:04:00] | AlHaz: | -i i think |
| [18:05:00] | laga: | thank you. |
| [18:05:00] | rezn: | yeah, sometimes -n is a good idea too, so dns queries dont slow you down |
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| [18:06:00] | rezn: | netstat -anp also works if you dont have lsof |
| [18:06:00] | fatmatt: | is there a way I can get mythvideo to scan for new vids remotely? |
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| [18:28:00] | crash-x: | http://phpfi.com/69214 does someone know how to fix it? |
| [18:29:00] | crash-x: | i get it when i try to be in browse modus |
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| [18:34:00] | silent_runner: | anyone got 5.1 working on a envy24ht |
| [18:34:00] | silent_runner: | thought i would ask here as im building a myth box |
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| [18:43:00] | jonK: | xmame is not speedy compile |
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| [18:46:00] | foobar-xs: | does anyone here have xawtv working???? |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | no. |
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| [18:58:00] | dh1: | ivtv, is not creating a new video device. How can i figure out why? |
| [18:58:00] | dh1: | i loaded it with modprobe and it seemed fine |
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| [19:07:00] | dh1: | someone? |
| [19:07:00] | dh1: | it just isnt working |
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| [19:07:00] | jonK: | post the modprobe to pastebin.ca |
| [19:07:00] | jonK: | start ivtv --> end ivtv |
| [19:08:00] | dh1: | k |
| [19:08:00] | dh1: | itl be a sec |
| [19:08:00] | dh1: | damnit |
| [19:08:00] | dh1: | now it isnt loading my mouse on boot either |
| [19:09:00] | dh1: | /dev/input/* isnt being created |
| [19:11:00] | dh1: | i just tried rebooting it and now it dies on boot somehow. i see all sorts of ivtv error info diagonally accross the screen. |
| [19:11:00] | dh1: | just sitting there. |
| [19:12:00] | dh1: | jonK if it did it at boot time, where would the output be logged? |
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| [19:12:00] | jonK: | in /var/log/messages |
| [19:12:00] | jonK: | have you been trying to get a pvr350 to work? |
| [19:13:00] | dh1: | yes |
| [19:13:00] | jonK: | stop loading ivtv-fb at boot |
| [19:13:00] | jonK: | start by just getting ivtv to work, before moving on to hte framebuffer module |
| [19:13:00] | dh1: | weird, i see tons of errors at boot time. but none in /var/log/messages. at boot time it complains that /dev/vdeo doesnt exist |
| [19:14:00] | dh1: | okay |
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| [19:14:00] | dh1: | and how do i stop that from loading at boot. edit /etc/modutils/ivtv |
| [19:14:00] | dh1: | ? |
| [19:15:00] | dh1: | looks like that isnt in there |
| [19:18:00] | jonK: | try /etc/modules |
| [19:19:00] | jonK: | still need a post of dmesg from start ivtv init --> end ivtv init |
| [19:19:00] | dh1: | oh right |
| [19:21:00] | dh1: | http://pastebin.ca/17380 |
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| [19:23:00] | jonK: | how did you install ivtv? and you might upgrade to a newer version |
| [19:25:00] | dh1: | jonK: i am on debian.i dled the source that was recomended. something from the 2.0 branch |
| [19:25:00] | dh1: | should i go to 3.2? |
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| [19:25:00] | dh1: | or 3.3 i guess |
| [19:25:00] | jonK: | or go to ivtv.tv/releases |
| [19:25:00] | jonK: | and get 0.3.6 |
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| [19:27:00] | dh1: | there are a few of them 0.3.6? ending in different letters |
| [19:27:00] | dh1: | do i want the most recent? |
| [19:27:00] | jonK: | sure, why not |
| [19:28:00] | dh1: | so why do i need a newer version? |
| [19:29:00] | jonK: | if you'd rather stick with the non-working one... |
| [19:30:00] | dh1: | well, i mean i thought it was supposed to work. my asumption (aparently incorect) was that it wasnt a direct result of ivtv being messed up |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | i'm hoping that when we build the higher version, whatever didn't get done the first time will get done |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | and we'll upgrade the drivers along the way |
| [19:30:00] | dh1: | for example i am having this issue with annother device. even with my usb mouse plugged in at boot. it is no longer assigned /dev/inpuyt.mouse. even though at boot time i see it get recognize3d |
| [19:30:00] | dh1: | perhaps thats different |
| [19:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | anyone know the current best choice for ivtv drivers for the 2.6.11+ kernels? |
| [19:31:00] | travolta: | cvs ? |
| [19:31:00] | jonK: | I've been using straight 0.3.6 no subletter |
| [19:31:00] | jonK: | with 2.6.12.1 |
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| [19:34:00] | dh1: | jonk this is interesting. when i do make install from ivtv-0.3.6/driver i get something like this for each module. |
| [19:34:00] | dh1: | *** Warning: "cleanup_module" [/home/david/ivtv-0.3.6o/driver/wm8775.ko] undefined! |
| [19:34:00] | dh1: | *** Warning: "init_module" [/home/david/ivtv-0.3.6o/driver/wm8775.ko] undefined! |
| [19:34:00] | dh1: | this happened on 0.2.0 as well. forgot about it |
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| [19:34:00] | dh1: | although it looks like it continue |
| [19:34:00] | dh1: | continued |
| [19:35:00] | jonK: | yes, a warning is fine |
| [19:35:00] | jonK: | so you downloaded the drivers and ran "make" |
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| [19:35:00] | SarahEmm: | hihi |
| [19:35:00] | dh1: | yeah downloaded ivtv and cd'd to drivers and did make |
| [19:35:00] | jonK: | did you install the drivers as well? |
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| [19:35:00] | jonK: | hi hi sarahemm |
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| [19:36:00] | dh1: | yes, that is where the messages occured. however i need to run it again because of .... |
| [19:36:00] | dh1: | You appear to have a /lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko. |
| [19:36:00] | dh1: | That can cause a conflict with the tuner.ko from ivtv. |
| [19:36:00] | jonK: | that's for make install |
| [19:36:00] | jonK: | here's what you need to do |
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| [19:36:00] | ** dh1 thought install == make install ** | |
| [19:36:00] | jonK: | take tuner.ko, tveeprom.ko, msp3400.ko and tda9887.ko |
| [19:36:00] | dh1: | :( |
| [19:36:00] | dh1: | k |
| [19:37:00] | jonK: | that are in the /lib/modules/2.5.xxx.xx/kernel/driver/media/video direcotry |
| [19:37:00] | jonK: | and remove them or copy them to somethign like tuner.ko.old |
| [19:37:00] | jonK: | then link the modules you built into that directory |
| [19:38:00] | dh1: | what kind of link are you refering to |
| [19:38:00] | jonK: | ln -s /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ivtv/* /lib/modules/`uname -r`/drivers/kernel/media/video |
| [19:38:00] | dh1: | more like i just dont get what you mean |
| [19:38:00] | dh1: | k |
| [19:39:00] | jonK: | or just copy then all over |
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| [19:40:00] | jonK: | i suspect that the problem may have been the wrong tuner module and msp3400 modules |
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| [19:40:00] | dh1: | hold on a sec. something is weird |
| [19:41:00] | dh1: | /lib/modules/'uname -r'/ivtv/ doesnt exist |
| [19:41:00] | jonK: | what does exist in /lib/modules |
| [19:42:00] | jonK: | and note that the "`" is not a single quote, it's the backtick above teh tab key |
| [19:42:00] | dh1: | yyeah, i know. i just retyped wrong |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | the part that doesnt exist is the 2.6.11-1–686/ivtv |
| [19:43:00] | jonK: | just making sure |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | here is whats in /lib/modules |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | 2.4.27-2–386 2.6.11 2.6.11-1–686 ivtv-fw-dec.bin ivtv-fw-enc.bin |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | and in /lin/modules/2.6.11-1–686 (my kernel) |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | boot initrd modules.alias modules.dep modules.inputmap modules.pcimap modules.usbmap |
| [19:43:00] | dh1: | build kernel modules.ccwmap modules.ieee1394map modules.isapnpmap modules.symbols |
| [19:44:00] | jonK: | is an ivtv dir in 2.6.11? |
| [19:44:00] | jonK: | are your running make install as root? |
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| [19:44:00] | dh1: | yes, i am |
| [19:44:00] | dh1: | 2.6.11/extra has ivtv related .ko files |
| [19:45:00] | dh1: | cx25840.ko ivtv-fb.ko ivtv.ko msp3400.ko saa7115.ko saa7127.ko tda9887.ko tuner.ko tveeprom.ko wm8775.ko |
| [19:45:00] | jonK: | those are what we need, but i dont know if these are the ones you just compiled |
| [19:45:00] | jonK: | try updatedb |
| [19:45:00] | jonK: | and then locate ivtv.ko |
| [19:45:00] | dh1: | locate? |
| [19:46:00] | dh1: | like literally run that |
| [19:46:00] | dh1: | ? |
| [19:46:00] | dh1: | (updatedb still going) |
| [19:46:00] | jonK: | it takes a minute |
| [19:46:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [19:46:00] | jonK: | great way to find files |
| [19:47:00] | dh1: | what is it doing? |
| [19:47:00] | dh1: | indexing or something |
| [19:47:00] | jonK: | building database of all the files on / |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | k here is the output 8 lines |
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| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /home/david/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver/ivtv.ko |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /home/david/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver/.ivtv.ko.cmd |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /home/david/ivtv-0.3.6o/driver/ivtv.ko |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /home/david/ivtv-0.3.6o/driver/.ivtv.ko.cmd |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/misc/ivtv.ko |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /lib/modules/2.6.11/extra/ivtv.ko |
| [19:48:00] | dh1: | /usr/src/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver/ivtv.ko |
| [19:48:00] | vegbox: | Is there a card that supports both dvb and analog and also does video out? |
| [19:49:00] | dh1: | /usr/src/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver/.ivtv.ko.cmd |
| [19:49:00] | jonK: | check the dates on the ones in lib modules and see if you can tell which ones were created earlier |
| [19:49:00] | jonK: | in fact, just run make install again |
| [19:50:00] | jonK: | to update the times on them |
| [19:53:00] | dh1: | /lib/modules/2.6.11/extra/ivtv.ko looks most recent. it appears to reflect the date of the build time. not the time i did make install |
| [19:53:00] | jonK: | good deal |
| [19:53:00] | bjohnson (~bjohnson@i216-58-18-223.igs.net) Quit ("I'm too sexy for this quit message") | |
| [19:53:00] | jonK: | rewrite the ln -s statement we did earleir |
| [19:54:00] | jonK: | to point to this set |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | btw i still get 4–5 warnings like this |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | You appear to have a /lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko. |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | That can cause a conflict with the tuner.ko from ivtv. |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | It is wise to remove /lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko. |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | After that run depmod again. |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [19:54:00] | jonK: | stop |
| [19:54:00] | jonK: | earlier, i suggested you either remove or copy .old or .orig |
| [19:54:00] | jonK: | tveeprom.ko, msp3400.ko tda9887.ko and tuner.ko |
| [19:54:00] | jonK: | from the kernel drivers media... directory |
| [19:54:00] | dh1: | so delete those and run again before i continue? |
| [19:55:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [19:55:00] | jonK: | then ln -s /lib/modules/2.6.11.../extra/* /lib/modules/2.6.../kernel/drivers/media/video |
| [19:56:00] | jonK: | what all was in the "extra" directory |
| [19:56:00] | dh1: | the following |
| [19:56:00] | dh1: | cx25840.ko ivtv-fb.ko ivtv.ko msp3400.ko saa7115.ko saa7127.ko tda9887.ko tuner.ko tveeprom.ko wm8775.ko |
| [19:56:00] | jonK: | good |
| [19:56:00] | dh1: | k, linking |
| [19:56:00] | jonK: | those are the ones we want links to in the kernel/driver.... directory |
| [19:57:00] | jonK: | then do ls /lib/modules/2.6.../kernel/driver/mdeia/video |
| [19:57:00] | jonK: | and make sure you ahve blue simlims for the 8 files |
| [19:57:00] | jonK: | run depmod -ae |
| [19:57:00] | vegbox: | Is there a card that supports both dvb and analog and also does video out? |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | okay done |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | what next? |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | missed that above |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | hold on |
| [19:58:00] | xris: | vegbox: never heard of one. |
| [19:58:00] | dh1: | symlinks worked it appears |
| [19:59:00] | dh1: | running depmod |
| [19:59:00] | dh1: | k done with that |
| [19:59:00] | dh1: | do i dare say modprobe? |
| [19:59:00] | vegbox: | hmmmm if i got a cel 2.6ghz box do you think i can go with a wintv togo card? |
| [19:59:00] | SarahEmm: | togo? |
| [20:00:00] | SarahEmm: | oh, wintv-go? |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | yeah opps sorry |
| [20:00:00] | SarahEmm: | sure |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | forgiveness please! |
| [20:00:00] | SarahEmm: | i run a 1.7 celeron with a card like that |
| [20:00:00] | dh1: | jonK: what next? |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | can yo do all the tricks |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | like pause live tv? |
| [20:00:00] | SarahEmm: | yep vegbox |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | sweet, at what resolution |
| [20:00:00] | vegbox: | also are you doing video out |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | run rmmod ivtv |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | then modprobe ivtv |
| [20:01:00] | vegbox: | i would like to watch tv on the tv set but continue to do work on the monitor |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | also modinfo ivtv and lets make sure the version we want running |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | then look at dmesg |
| [20:01:00] | SarahEmm: | vegbox: i'm doing TV out from remote frontends |
| [20:01:00] | dh1: | david@d-vo:/lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video$ sudo rmmod ivtv |
| [20:01:00] | dh1: | ERROR: Module ivtv does not exist in /proc/modules |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | no problem |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | it wans't loaded |
| [20:01:00] | dh1: | k |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | :) |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | so nothing to remove |
| [20:01:00] | jonK: | rmmod == remove module |
| [20:01:00] | vegbox: | whats remote frontends? |
| [20:02:00] | vegbox: | sorry, i dont know all the lingo ye |
| [20:02:00] | vegbox: | t |
| [20:02:00] | dh1: | shit |
| [20:02:00] | dh1: | david@d-vo:/lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video$ sudo modprobe ivtv |
| [20:02:00] | dh1: | Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| [20:02:00] | dh1: | althought a funky grey image is now leaving the tv-out |
| [20:02:00] | dh1: | but that did happen before |
| [20:04:00] | dh1: | right after END INIT ivtv it mentions fb0. /dev/fb0 doesnt exist |
| [20:04:00] | dh1: | want to see my dmesg? |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | yes, |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | also |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | do cd /dev/ |
| [20:04:00] | vegbox: | SarahEmm, what is remote frontends |
| [20:04:00] | vegbox: | ? |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | ./MAKDEV video |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | vegbox, mythtv is modular |
| [20:04:00] | jonK: | it has a frontend program |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | and a backend program |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | both can be running on one machine |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | but don't have to be |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | the backend records programs |
| [20:05:00] | dh1: | http://pastebin.ca/17383 |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | the frontend plays them |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | i have a backend in my bedroom that also is a frontend for a tv in the bedroom |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | but i have a frontend in the frontroom |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | that plays recorded programs for the tv in the frontroom |
| [20:06:00] | dh1: | is that directed to me? |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | no, hence the opening word "vegbox" |
| [20:06:00] | dh1: | jonK: makedev done |
| [20:06:00] | dh1: | oops |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | do you ahve video? |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | have /dev/video0? |
| [20:07:00] | ** dh1 checks ** | |
| [20:07:00] | dh1: | btw, i really appreciate your help jonK |
| [20:07:00] | jonK: | teh dmesg you just posted is still the old version |
| [20:07:00] | jonK: | i think it's the same one from earlier |
| [20:07:00] | jonK: | the new one errored |
| [20:08:00] | jonK: | vegbox, does that help? |
| [20:08:00] | dh1: | /dev/video0 does not exist after ./MAKEDEV |
| [20:09:00] | dh1: | no errors though |
| [20:09:00] | vegbox: | hmm im confused |
| [20:09:00] | vegbox: | so is it possible to have two different outputs |
| [20:09:00] | vegbox: | one for my tv and one for my monitor |
| [20:09:00] | vegbox: | so i can do day to day computer tasks? |
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| [20:11:00] | dh1: | jonK: /dev/video* doesnt not exist. whats up? |
| [20:12:00] | jonK: | still? odd |
| [20:13:00] | dh1: | i never did compile/install the new ivtv/util |
| [20:13:00] | jonK: | might as well |
| [20:13:00] | jonK: | vegbox: you can output the signal to a tv yes |
| [20:14:00] | jonK: | but when you say "day to day" computer tasks |
| [20:15:00] | jonK: | dh1 try modprobe videodev |
| [20:15:00] | vegbox: | yeah jonK? |
| [20:15:00] | dh1: | returned ok |
| [20:15:00] | jonK: | and now modprobe ivtv |
| [20:15:00] | dh1: | d-vo:/dev# modprobe videodev |
| [20:15:00] | dh1: | d-vo:/dev# |
| [20:16:00] | jonK: | if the computer is running mythtv as the backend |
| [20:16:00] | jonK: | then yes you can use it to do other things at the same time |
| [20:16:00] | dh1: | perhaps i should reboot. it still appears to be loading 0.2.0 |
| [20:16:00] | jonK: | run depmod -ae first |
| [20:16:00] | jonK: | if you didnt |
| [20:16:00] | jonK: | then reboot |
| [20:16:00] | dh1: | shit |
| [20:17:00] | dh1: | lol |
| [20:17:00] | dh1: | too late |
| [20:17:00] | jonK: | no worries |
| [20:17:00] | vegbox: | but if mythtv is running as a frontend |
| [20:17:00] | vegbox: | then i cant do that then right |
| [20:17:00] | vegbox: | ? |
| [20:17:00] | vegbox: | frontend means im using the gui on my tvset or monitor? |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | when you say that... it's like saying "if I have starcraft running on my computer, can I still read email" |
| [20:18:00] | vegbox: | so i am just better off getting a dedicated box for mythtv it seems |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | depends, |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | i'm using an ssh connection to my mythbox to run bitchx |
| [20:18:00] | jonK: | to talk in this irc channel |
| [20:18:00] | vegbox: | i hear some people have some dual head video cards |
| [20:19:00] | vegbox: | that output the frontend to the tv and use the other head for their monitor |
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| [20:19:00] | dh1: | ok jonK rebooted |
| [20:19:00] | vegbox: | is that possible? |
| [20:19:00] | jonK: | never tried |
| [20:19:00] | vegbox: | does that seem reasonable tho/ |
| [20:19:00] | vegbox: | ? |
| [20:19:00] | jonK: | dh1 run modinfo ivtv |
| [20:20:00] | dh1: | version: 0.2.0-rc3j |
| [20:20:00] | dh1: | wtf |
| [20:20:00] | vegbox: | also what video card is good for video out on linux from my readings it suggests either getting a hauppauge 350 or using a nvidia card |
| [20:20:00] | dh1: | ohh i know |
| [20:20:00] | dh1: | it did tell me to do something after i fixed those conflicting modules |
| [20:20:00] | dh1: | it might have been depmod -ae |
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| [20:21:00] | jonK: | it was |
| [20:22:00] | jonK: | but that's still not it |
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| [20:23:00] | dh1: | so basically 0.3 isnt installing? |
| [20:23:00] | dh1: | or is it installed and just using the wrong one? |
| [20:23:00] | ** jvs is away: mampf ** | |
| [20:24:00] | vegbox: | jonK? any suggestions on the video card? |
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| [20:24:00] | vegbox: | will a gefore2mx with video out do it? |
| [20:24:00] | xris: | vegbox: 4 would probabl be better. |
| [20:26:00] | dh1: | okay i got the right one to be loaded |
| [20:26:00] | dh1: | or at least it will attempt to lod the right one |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | jonK: looks like i got more useful error messages |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | d-vo:~# modprobe ivtv |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | Usage: /sbin/modprobe [-v] [-V] [-C config-file] [-n] [-i] [-q] [-o <modname>] <modname> [parameters...] |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | /sbin/modprobe -r [-n] [-i] [-v] <modulename> ... |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | /sbin/modprobe -l -t <dirname> [ -a <modulename> ...] |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | FATAL: Error inserting ivtv_fb (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1–686/kernel/drivers/misc/ivtv-fb.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| [20:27:00] | dh1: | Failed to open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| [20:27:00] | vegbox: | man i aint no baller i cant afford a 4 |
| [20:27:00] | vegbox: | lol |
| [20:28:00] | vegbox: | man i cant believe ati cards dont work |
| [20:28:00] | vegbox: | so weak |
| [20:28:00] | djpere: | If I buy a tv card without a remote |
| [20:28:00] | djpere: | how would I get a remote working? |
| [20:28:00] | jonK: | djpere I |
| [20:28:00] | djpere: | I ? |
| [20:28:00] | jonK: | 've been using the snapstream firefly |
| [20:29:00] | vegbox: | i can add a dvb card to my tv tunner card right/ |
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| [20:30:00] | dh1: | FATAL: Error running install command for ivtvjonK http://pastebin.ca/17384 |
| [20:30:00] | bob832: | hi, i'm back with another question :) – i was looking through the mailing forums about controlling a cable box with mythtv and many of them mention using a serial connection on the cable box, i do not have a serial connection on my cable box but i do have a USB port – would it be possible to use it? |
| [20:30:00] | dh1: | oops |
| [20:30:00] | dh1: | tried to enter two things at once there jonK |
| [20:31:00] | dh1: | here is my dmesg http://pastebin.ca/17384 |
| [20:31:00] | djpere: | 50 bucks O_O |
| [20:33:00] | jonK: | do you have /dev/vid* devices yet dh1? |
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| [20:48:00] | dh1: | jonK: sorry. i'm back now |
| [20:48:00] | dh1: | no /dev/vid* |
| [20:48:00] | jonK: | how are you checking"? |
| [20:49:00] | dh1: | ls /dev/vid* |
| [20:49:00] | dh1: | $ ls /dev/vid* |
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| [20:50:00] | dh1: | david@d-vo:~$ sudo modprobe ivtv |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | Password: |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | Usage: /sbin/modprobe [-v] [-V] [-C config-file] [-n] [-i] [-q] [-o <modname>] <modname> [parameters...] |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | /sbin/modprobe -r [-n] [-i] [-v] <modulename> ... |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | /sbin/modprobe -l -t <dirname> [ -a <modulename> ...] |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | Failed to open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | FATAL: Error running install command for ivtvdespite the errors it still partially loaded. grey stuff appeared on te conected tv |
| [20:50:00] | dh1: | oops |
| [20:51:00] | jonK: | and you've ran depmod -ae |
| [20:51:00] | dh1: | think so |
| [20:51:00] | dh1: | despite the errors it still partially loaded. |
| [20:51:00] | dh1: | grey stuff appeared on te conected tv |
| [20:51:00] | dh1: | sorry for the funk typing here |
| [20:51:00] | dh1: | runing depmod -ae again |
| [20:51:00] | jonK: | do you have the line alias char-major-81 videodev etnd |
| [20:51:00] | abarbaccia: | dh1 i would check over your files – do you have your aliases setup correctly? |
| [20:51:00] | abarbaccia: | dh1 what card is it btw? |
| [20:52:00] | jonK: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv setup? |
| [20:52:00] | jonK: | 350 |
| [20:52:00] | dh1: | you know i just realized. i think i comented that out |
| [20:52:00] | dh1: | where is that located? |
| [20:52:00] | jonK: | i keep it in /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | lots of other crap i put in there when fidling |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | now its just |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | that good? |
| [20:53:00] | dh1: | # comments are okay, right? |
| [20:53:00] | abarbaccia: | dh1 – www.abarbaccia.com |
| [20:54:00] | jonK: | on ohter lines yes |
| [20:54:00] | jonK: | but not on those two |
| [20:54:00] | jonK: | i'd reboot at this point |
| [20:55:00] | dh1: | right ok |
| [20:55:00] | dh1: | rebooting |
| [20:55:00] | dh1: | rebooting takes forever. 350 mhz pos :) |
| [20:55:00] | dh1: | brb 2 mins |
| [20:56:00] | abarbaccia: | hahah |
| [20:56:00] | abarbaccia: | dh1 you should ssh to your box so you dont have to leave the chat when you reboot |
| [20:58:00] | jonK: | assuming he has 2 |
| [20:59:00] | abarbaccia: | he has 2 what? computers |
| [20:59:00] | abarbaccia: | im assuming his primary computer is not the 350 MHz box he's using right now |
| [20:59:00] | jonK: | 350 mhz? |
| [20:59:00] | jonK: | by 350 i meant pvr350 |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | im confused - |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | and sicne he never "left" the chatrom |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | right |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | he may have ssh'd in |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | maybe he just needed to pee |
| [21:00:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, thats what i was thinkin |
| [21:00:00] | jonK: | like the good book says... |
| [21:01:00] | jonK: | everybody poops |
| [21:01:00] | abarbaccia: | true it is |
| [21:01:00] | abarbaccia: | jonK, you use ubuntu? |
| [21:02:00] | ** dh1 is back ** | |
| [21:02:00] | dh1: | yes i did ssh in |
| [21:02:00] | abarbaccia: | he's back baby |
| [21:02:00] | dh1: | on my lovely pwerbook |
| [21:02:00] | dh1: | yes it is a 350 mhz box witha pvr 350 |
| [21:02:00] | jonK: | yes, ubuntu |
| [21:02:00] | abarbaccia: | right – we were wondering if you ssh into the box |
| [21:03:00] | abarbaccia: | jonK, you check out my site? |
| [21:03:00] | jonK: | a while back i did, it was pretty barren, |
| [21:03:00] | dh1: | yeah i do. although it is still in 10 feet in front of me. i prefer staying on this one machine instead of going back and forth |
| [21:03:00] | abarbaccia: | good call – same here |
| [21:03:00] | abarbaccia: | too lazy to move |
| [21:03:00] | dh1: | jonK: okay rebooted. |
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| [21:04:00] | dh1: | what should i do to see if it works? |
| [21:04:00] | jonK: | have you modprobed ivtv? |
| [21:04:00] | abarbaccia: | dmesg |
| [21:04:00] | dh1: | modprobe ivtv again? or do that makedev thing again |
| [21:04:00] | dh1: | i hvnt modprobed yet |
| [21:04:00] | jonK: | and btw, i note from your earlier pastebin that ivtv-fb was being hit |
| [21:05:00] | jonK: | check lsmod | grep ivtv |
| [21:05:00] | jonK: | and see if you have devs for that matter |
| [21:05:00] | dh1: | i think a whole slew of crap was being loaded before i comented it out |
| [21:05:00] | jonK: | ls /dev/vid*? |
| [21:05:00] | abarbaccia: | jonK, my site is almost complete now – im working on some revisions and only a few parts need to be re-write |
| [21:05:00] | abarbaccia: | n |
| [21:06:00] | dh1: | wait, sorry. let me make sure i get the order right here |
| [21:06:00] | dh1: | havnt modprobed yet. what next |
| [21:06:00] | jonK: | shouldnt really matter |
| [21:06:00] | abarbaccia: | depmod -ae |
| [21:06:00] | jonK: | im curious if you have /dev/vid |
| [21:06:00] | abarbaccia: | probably a good question |
| [21:06:00] | dh1: | no /dev/video |
| [21:06:00] | dh1: | running depmod -ae |
| [21:07:00] | dh1: | then i will do modprobe |
| [21:07:00] | dh1: | ok modprobing |
| [21:07:00] | abarbaccia: | modprobe ivtv |
| [21:07:00] | dh1: | looks good |
| [21:07:00] | abarbaccia: | ... |
| [21:07:00] | abarbaccia: | okay |
| [21:07:00] | dh1: | no errors i dont think |
| [21:07:00] | abarbaccia: | do a dmesg | grep ivtv |
| [21:07:00] | dh1: | let me paste it |
| [21:08:00] | dh1: | http://pastebin.ca/17385 |
| [21:08:00] | dh1: | so what next? |
| [21:09:00] | dh1: | still no /dev/video* |
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| [21:09:00] | jonK: | make then by hand |
| [21:09:00] | dh1: | huh |
| [21:09:00] | jonK: | try make dev again actually |
| [21:09:00] | jonK: | i mean |
| [21:09:00] | dh1: | make dev? |
| [21:09:00] | jonK: | cd /dev |
| [21:09:00] | dh1: | oh right |
| [21:09:00] | jonK: | ./MAKEDEV video |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | running |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | didnt take long to finish |
| [21:10:00] | jonK: | ls /dev/v*? |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | no |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | d-vo:/dev# ls /dev/v* |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | /dev/vcs /dev/vcs1 /dev/vcsa /dev/vcsa1 |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | one thing i didnt mention |
| [21:10:00] | dh1: | dunno if this is relevent |
| [21:11:00] | dh1: | /dev/.static/dev/video exists. found it when i did a search |
| [21:11:00] | jonK: | mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| [21:11:00] | jonK: | chmod 666 /dev/video0 |
| [21:12:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:12:00] | dh1: | what did that do? |
| [21:12:00] | abarbaccia: | dh1 curious, how did you install ivtv? packages or compile? |
| [21:12:00] | jonK: | he compiled |
| [21:12:00] | dh1: | ivtv via compile |
| [21:12:00] | dh1: | i tried 0.2 via compile then did 0.3 via compile |
| [21:13:00] | abarbaccia: | why didnt you use 0.2 |
| [21:13:00] | dh1: | i did look at like 1000 online tutorials all with diferent methods. i might have changed some relevant config file |
| [21:13:00] | dh1: | jonK: suggested i switch over |
| [21:13:00] | dh1: | i could go back. |
| [21:13:00] | abarbaccia: | hurm – what's the reasoning behind switching jonk? |
| [21:13:00] | jonK: | newer version, |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | right, but unstable |
| [21:14:00] | jonK: | but also, thought that running through the install might hit something that |
| [21:14:00] | jonK: | had been missed |
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| [21:14:00] | jonK: | not really |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, i gotcha |
| [21:14:00] | jonK: | I"ve been using 0.3.6 without issue for some time |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | not really, but technically |
| [21:14:00] | dh1: | should i try from the begining with 0.2? |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | don't give up so easy |
| [21:14:00] | dh1: | heh ok |
| [21:14:00] | jonK: | it wont change the problem |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | right |
| [21:14:00] | abarbaccia: | well, most likely |
| [21:15:00] | abarbaccia: | but i gotta get some food before i starve – i'll be back later on |
| [21:15:00] | jonK: | we might try installing from a package, and then removing the package, just to hit the devices, but i'd just do it by hand |
| [21:15:00] | dh1: | fyi i am having some other device issues. /dev/input/* isnt being created. even though it detects my mouse on boot. is it relevant |
| [21:15:00] | jonK: | mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| [21:15:00] | dh1: | already did that |
| [21:16:00] | dh1: | 2 mins ago |
| [21:16:00] | jonK: | and? |
| [21:16:00] | dh1: | no errors |
| [21:16:00] | dh1: | no errors with chmod either |
| [21:16:00] | dh1: | so what does that mean? |
| [21:17:00] | abarbaccia: | try doing a capture |
| [21:17:00] | abarbaccia: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
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| [21:17:00] | abarbaccia: | haha |
| [21:17:00] | jonK: | i will miss him |
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| [21:17:00] | jonK: | i missed you |
| [21:17:00] | dh1: | sorry, back |
| [21:17:00] | dh1: | i might have missed something you just said |
| [21:17:00] | abarbaccia: | haha |
| [21:17:00] | abarbaccia: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
| [21:18:00] | abarbaccia: | then stop it after a few seconds by hitting ctrl+c |
| [21:18:00] | abarbaccia: | then playback the file and see what you got |
| [21:18:00] | dh1: | fyi when that ran i got some decoder status info on vt1 |
| [21:18:00] | dh1: | looked positive |
| [21:19:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [21:19:00] | dh1: | viewed it |
| [21:19:00] | abarbaccia: | and... |
| [21:20:00] | abarbaccia: | is it the tv |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | it was static, but i think thats good. right? |
| [21:20:00] | abarbaccia: | shoot – u gotta run all the commands to setup the tuner correctly |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | vlc played it. same with xine |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | (on os x) |
| [21:20:00] | abarbaccia: | eh, i dont remember the commands – check www.wilsonet.com |
| [21:20:00] | jonK: | do you have a cable plugged into the card? |
| [21:20:00] | abarbaccia: | in the ivtv part theres a few lines about doing that |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | ivtv part? |
| [21:20:00] | dh1: | in the wiki? |
| [21:21:00] | SarahEmm: | yes... make sure the cable is plugged in. |
| [21:21:00] | abarbaccia: | ivtv in the fedora mythtvology |
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| [21:22:00] | SarahEmm: | a person i know (*cough*) spent about 4 hours debugging the drivers to then discover one end of the cable wasn't plugged in...... |
| [21:22:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha – how many days did i spend in agony to find out my cable was unplugged |
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| [21:22:00] | dh1: | cable is in |
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| [21:22:00] | dh1: | although not a very sturdy feeling one. |
| [21:22:00] | jonK: | i sould also create video devs for video0, 1,2,3,16,32 and 224 |
| [21:22:00] | dh1: | just repeat the mkdod with diferent names? |
| [21:22:00] | jonK: | |
| [21:23:00] | dh1: | ? |
| [21:23:00] | jonK: | mknod /dev/video* c 81 * |
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| [21:23:00] | jonK: | where * = 1,2,3,16,32 and 224 |
| [21:23:00] | jonK: | you need the video16 at least for the tvout on the pvr350 |
| [21:24:00] | jonK: | the rest are the ones listed by the ivtv wiki |
| [21:24:00] | dh1: | i dont see anything relevant at http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
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| [21:25:00] | jonK: | im looking at ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-print.php?page=TvOutHowto |
| [21:26:00] | foobar-xs: | would someone please be willing to help me get my "Video Source Setup" to work befor i go nuts????!!!! |
| [21:27:00] | dh1: | jonK: i have information overload here. which commands are relevant |
| [21:29:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: what's the problem? |
| [21:30:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, when i try to retrieve lineups, it fails |
| [21:31:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, i have a zap2it account |
| [21:31:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, i am using that un/pw |
| [21:31:00] | dh1: | jonK: i am reall confused as to what i should be looking for. like what am i trying to acomplish |
| [21:32:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: un/pw??? |
| [21:32:00] | jonK: | just to add the other /dev/video* devices |
| [21:32:00] | dh1: | done. |
| [21:32:00] | jonK: | there is a short script in the page i cited you |
| [21:32:00] | jonK: | search for mknod |
| [21:32:00] | jonK: | and you'll find it |
| [21:33:00] | jonK: | how does it fail? what error? |
| [21:33:00] | jonK: | username/passord mchou |
| [21:33:00] | mchou: | ah, ok. |
| [21:33:00] | dh1: | okay, ran it |
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| [21:34:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: maybe zap2it is down right now :) |
| [21:34:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, username/password |
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| [21:34:00] | dh1: | okay |
| [21:34:00] | dh1: | modprobe ivtv-fb |
| [21:34:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: what's the message in myth when you try to retrieve listings? |
| [21:34:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, i can log in the web interface just fine, it have done this for 2 days now |
| [21:34:00] | jonK: | dh1 that you'll need to get the x frambuffer |
| [21:35:00] | jonK: | working on the pvr-350 tvout |
| [21:35:00] | dh1: | "dh1 that you'll need to get the x frambuffer" huh |
| [21:35:00] | jonK: | are you trying to get rid of the video card and only use a television? |
| [21:35:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, as for mythtv gui setup, it returns no error, in the shell, it sais "401 Unauthorized" |
| [21:36:00] | dh1: | yes i am |
| [21:36:00] | dh1: | only the tv |
| [21:36:00] | jonK: | do you want to try and make sure mythtv is working correctly first, |
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| [21:36:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: 401 unauthorized means wrong user passwd :) |
| [21:37:00] | dh1: | i had it set up but then X keeps pooping out because it cant find my mouse |
| [21:37:00] | mchou: | foobar-xs: at the risk of being silly, make sure your user/pw is correctly set up in myth-setup. |
| [21:37:00] | dh1: | mythtv should be ok |
| [21:38:00] | dh1: | X however is a problem |
| [21:38:00] | jonK: | you need to modify your xorg.conf file |
| [21:38:00] | jonK: | first, make sure you have the ivtv driver installed |
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| [21:38:00] | jonK: | read the ivtv/utils/README.X11 file |
| [21:38:00] | dh1: | the one that gets extracted from the disk? |
| [21:38:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:38:00] | jonK: | has a single install command to execute |
| [21:39:00] | dh1: | btw, i have xf86 |
| [21:39:00] | jonK: | then xf86.conf.... |
| [21:39:00] | jonK: | whatever |
| [21:39:00] | dh1: | just checking :) |
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| [21:40:00] | cfreeze: | Is it normal for an Id to be -1? I'm seeing this with the current svn. Reschedule requested for id -1. |
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| [21:40:00] | foobar-xs: | mchou, i think i may have found the problem, i need a labs.zap2it.com account...not a zap2it.com account, right?? |
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| [21:41:00] | SarahEmm: | right |
| [21:42:00] | dh1: | jonk, all the file says is http://pastebin.ca/17386 |
| [21:42:00] | dh1: | i ran the command, but dont know what to do with the .tgz |
| [21:44:00] | jonK: | what .tgz? |
| [21:45:00] | dh1: | the one it mentions in that file. is that relevant? |
| [21:45:00] | foobar-xs: | yup...that fixed it :) |
| [21:45:00] | jonK: | ifnore that |
| [21:45:00] | foobar-xs: | ty guys |
| [21:45:00] | dh1: | okay |
| [21:45:00] | dh1: | install command ran. next my xconfig |
| [21:45:00] | dh1: | what do i do with that? |
| [21:45:00] | jonK: | modify the conf file |
| [21:46:00] | dh1: | ... |
| [21:46:00] | dh1: | did i miss something you sent with guidelines as to what to add |
| [21:46:00] | jonK: | no, |
| [21:46:00] | tekkeh: | I've had fun today... editing the source to allow support for PAL-I... finally got everything working after THREE days!!! |
| [21:46:00] | jonK: | all i wanted to do was the install command |
| [21:46:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [21:46:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [21:46:00] | dh1: | that was done |
| [21:47:00] | dh1: | so what happens next? |
| [21:48:00] | jonK: | hang on |
| [21:48:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:49:00] | jonK: | pastebin.ca/1739 is my xorg.conf if you'd like to try it |
| [21:49:00] | dh1: | i think you may have mis copied |
| [21:49:00] | jonK: | you'll need to change the busid |
| [21:49:00] | jonK: | 17389 |
| [21:49:00] | dh1: | thx |
| [21:50:00] | jonK: | run lspci and find what busid your pvr350 is on |
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| [21:50:00] | dh1: | are there any diferences because i have xf86? |
| [21:50:00] | jonK: | have no idea though, may be specific to Xorg, and not work for Xf86 |
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| [21:51:00] | rpete: | xris, I wasn't able to get dish network after all, no line of sight at my place |
| [21:51:00] | dh1: | most looks ok cept 1 thing |
| [21:51:00] | dh1: | i noticed /dev/fb0 |
| [21:51:00] | jonK: | do dmesg | grep fb |
| [21:51:00] | jonK: | after modprobing ivtv-fb |
| [21:51:00] | dh1: | i dont have that. is that an equivalent of one of the /dev/video* |
| [21:51:00] | dh1: | okay |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb260, last bus=1 |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00fbe00 |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | ivtv-osd: fb0: iTVC15 TV out frame buffer device |
| [21:52:00] | jonK: | there |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | last one looks relevant |
| [21:52:00] | jonK: | thought i saw that earlier |
| [21:52:00] | jonK: | you should be fine |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | so do i need to do annother mknod? |
| [21:52:00] | dh1: | /dev/fb* doesnt exist |
| [21:52:00] | jonK: | what version of linux? |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | run lspci and fix the bus id |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | and KEEP a copy of the old |
| [21:53:00] | dh1: | debian. started with netinstall stable. 2.4. upgraded to unstable with 2.6 |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | xorg.conf |
| [21:53:00] | dh1: | right |
| [21:53:00] | dh1: | i got that part. i am just converned about fb0 |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | hell keep 2, |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | reboot, see what happens |
| [21:53:00] | bob832: | whats the minimun amount of video card memory to go with? |
| [21:53:00] | jonK: | try cd /dev/ |
| [21:53:00] | dh1: | reboot before fixing that X config? |
| [21:54:00] | dh1: | cd'd |
| [21:54:00] | jonK: | and run ./MAKEDEV |
| [21:54:00] | jonK: | without "video" |
| [21:54:00] | jonK: | see if you get any new devices |
| [21:54:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:54:00] | dh1: | returned |
| [21:54:00] | dh1: | very quick |
| [21:54:00] | dh1: | might have made more. not sure. fb0 isnt one of them |
| [21:55:00] | dh1: | again /dev/.static/dev/fb0 does exist |
| [21:55:00] | dh1: | should i mknod it? |
| [21:55:00] | jonK: | i don't know |
| [21:56:00] | jonK: | did /dev/.static/dev/fb0 exist before? |
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| [21:56:00] | dh1: | yeah |
| [21:56:00] | dh1: | just as /dev/.static/dev/viideo* did |
| [21:56:00] | dh1: | PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb260, last bus=1 |
| [21:56:00] | dh1: | PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00fbe00 |
| [21:56:00] | dh1: | oops |
| [21:57:00] | dh1: | ignore those last 3 |
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| [21:58:00] | jonK: | lets try this, ln -s /dev/.static/dev/fb0 /dev/fb0 |
| [21:58:00] | dh1: | k |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | what video* devs were there? |
| [21:58:00] | dh1: | fixing X config |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | might try same thing for /dev/video0 |
| [21:58:00] | dh1: | btw, is there a way to tell it not to look for a mouse at all |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | in /etc/modules |
| [21:58:00] | jonK: | is there a mouse device being probed? |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | jonK: /dev/video* appeared to work okay though |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | let me check |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | no we got static |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | so im still not convinced |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | psmouse |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | ide-cd |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | ide-detect |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | ide-disk |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | nvidia |
| [21:59:00] | dh1: | evdev |
| [21:59:00] | jonK: | comment out psmouse |
| [22:00:00] | jonK: | are you using usb? |
| [22:00:00] | dh1: | yes |
| [22:00:00] | dh1: | usb keyboard and mouse |
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| [22:01:00] | dh1: | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [22:02:00] | dh1: | 0:12:0 or 0:00:12 |
| [22:03:00] | jonK: | mine is 00:05.0 |
| [22:03:00] | jonK: | so map accordignly |
| [22:03:00] | dh1: | k |
| [22:04:00] | dh1: | x doesnt start because of the mouse. you started to ask me about /etc/modules |
| [22:04:00] | dh1: | what do i do to get it to load a usb mouse |
| [22:04:00] | dh1: | or none at all |
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| [22:12:00] | dh1: | gah |
| [22:12:00] | Kyler: | I just got MythTV running on a network-booted system (with my nifty Onotashi case) and now I'm returning to my ATI USB RF remote. The kernel module still doesn't seem to support all of the buttons so I'm trying to get LIRC to work... |
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| [22:14:00] | shul: | hi all |
| [22:14:00] | shul: | My messages log is filled with: i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_recv: return:1 (count:3, addr:0x18) |
| [22:14:00] | shul: | i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_recv: reading 3 bytes. |
| [22:15:00] | shul: | Does anyone knows where this comes from ? |
| [22:15:00] | dh1: | holy shit i got it |
| [22:15:00] | jonK: | all on the tv? |
| [22:15:00] | dh1: | yeah. gdm came up! |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | dh1, I'd find a priest with a medical degree to deal with that one... |
| [22:16:00] | jonK: | and the usb mouse? |
| [22:16:00] | dh1: | i had to symlink my mouse to annother .static hidden thing |
| [22:16:00] | dh1: | lol |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | are there .static /dev/video* devices/ |
| [22:17:00] | dh1: | yes |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | for 0,1,2,...> |
| [22:17:00] | dh1: | checking |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | id symlink those as well |
| [22:17:00] | dh1: | as oposed to whatever mknod did? |
| [22:17:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [22:18:00] | kormoc: | /dev/video* should be auto created by the driver, unless you're not using udev or devfs? |
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| [22:19:00] | dh1: | kormac. it hasnt been for me. i havnt been abble to figure it out |
| [22:19:00] | dh1: | i dont know what udev and devfs are |
| [22:21:00] | jonK: | kormok, he's finding stuff in /dev/.static/dev/video* |
| [22:21:00] | dh1: | jonK: i ran mythtv (havnt symlinked yet) it seemed to think that the device was already being used for a capture or something |
| [22:22:00] | dh1: | so its symlink time :) |
| [22:22:00] | kormoc: | dh1, the driver only creates devices when the driver loads sucessfully, so it's more likly your driver isn't working correctly. |
| [22:22:00] | dh1: | kormac. okay |
| [22:23:00] | shul: | So.. does anyone knows where this comes from : i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_recv: reading 3 bytes. |
| [22:23:00] | dh1: | i never saw error messages and i am running x off of the video out now though |
| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | shul, the i2c adapter? |
| [22:23:00] | dh1: | so where should i look for the error or whatever |
| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | dh1, what distro? |
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| [22:23:00] | dh1: | debian unstable 2.6 |
| [22:23:00] | kormoc: | sounds like you don't have udev or devfs installed |
| [22:24:00] | shul: | kormoc: what is the i2c_adapter? what is it used for? I have pvr 350 and am using lirc for transmit and receive |
| [22:24:00] | jonK: | kormoc, see pastebin.ca/17385 for dmesg of ivtv modprobe, everything looks good as far as i see |
| [22:25:00] | dh1: | apt says udev installed |
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| [22:25:00] | dh1: | checking devfs |
| [22:25:00] | jonK: | and he's using ivtv-fb, and it's working |
| [22:25:00] | kormoc: | shul, i2c is used for the lirc client, iirc |
| [22:25:00] | kormoc: | jonK, yeah, but something's flaky then, hence why I said it sounds like udev/devfs is dead |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | dh1, udev and devfs don't really coexist well, so it's fine not to have devfs. |
| [22:26:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [22:26:00] | dh1: | jonK: symlinking did work either |
| [22:26:00] | dh1: | it still seems to think something is recording. |
| [22:27:00] | dh1: | claims mythtv iiis recording something else |
| [22:27:00] | jonK: | permissions on /dev/.static/dev/vid*? |
| [22:27:00] | dh1: | kormoc: so what do i do? |
| [22:27:00] | dh1: | its not showing up in/dev |
| [22:27:00] | kormoc: | I donno, it's nutty that it's not working right |
| [22:27:00] | dh1: | udev is installed |
| [22:27:00] | kormoc: | a config file got nuked somewhere I'd say |
| [22:27:00] | jonK: | any data on this box dh1? |
| [22:27:00] | dh1: | no |
| [22:28:00] | dh1: | nothing i would cry about if i reformated. except for my time spent getting this far |
| [22:28:00] | jonK: | try ubuntu? or FC? |
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| [22:28:00] | jonK: | I have everything running on ubuntu |
| [22:28:00] | dh1: | ok |
| [22:28:00] | dh1: | let me save my x config |
| [22:29:00] | dh1: | any special version of ubuntu i should use? |
| [22:29:00] | dh1: | dont know anything baout it |
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| [22:30:00] | jonK: | get hoary hedgehog |
| [22:31:00] | jonK: | ubuntu is debain |
| [22:31:00] | jonK: | debian based, |
| [22:31:00] | jonK: | 2.6 kernel |
| [22:31:00] | jonK: | no kde though (if you care) |
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| [22:33:00] | dh1: | jonK: started dl from this page http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ |
| [22:33:00] | dh1: | that good? |
| [22:33:00] | dh1: | btw, thats nice to hear its debian based. i couldnt live without apt |
| [22:34:00] | dh1: | i hope that doesnt take as long to get configured |
| [22:35:00] | tekkeh: | hi all, having trouble with mythvideo, when I select a video and press I, and choose watch video, it does nothing. do i have to configure a player? |
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| [22:35:00] | Stereo: | aye, you need mplayer installed |
| [22:35:00] | dh1: | jonK: thanks for all the help. |
| [22:35:00] | Stereo: | or you can tell it to use another player |
| [22:35:00] | dh1: | i only wish i didnt have to start over like this |
| [22:35:00] | tekkeh: | okay i better go look again |
| [22:36:00] | tekkeh: | thx Stereo:) |
| [22:36:00] | Stereo: | np :) |
| [22:36:00] | dh1: | also thanks abarbaccia and kormac |
| [22:36:00] | Stereo: | dh1: right now I am wondering why I am not using ubuntu on my mythtv server/box/thing/box |
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| [22:36:00] | dh1: | Stereo: having problems with your current distro? |
| [22:37:00] | Stereo: | it's debian |
| [22:37:00] | Stereo: | I'm tired of having to add repositories for everything |
| [22:37:00] | dh1: | jonK: am i going to have to install a lot of packages after the cd dls? |
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| [22:37:00] | dh1: | Stereo: ok |
| [22:37:00] | N-Cognito: | hey all...id like to ask for help with something but not sure where to start |
| [22:38:00] | Stereo: | N-Cognito: tell us what config you have |
| [22:38:00] | Stereo: | then tell us what is happening and how you reproduce it |
| [22:38:00] | Stereo: | then tell us what you already tried |
| [22:38:00] | N-Cognito: | Ur gonna laugh at this but this is only the second time in my life that ive even attempted to setup a linux box |
| [22:38:00] | Stereo: | then send chocolate |
| [22:38:00] | N-Cognito: | running FC3 |
| [22:39:00] | N-Cognito: | been following the guide from wilsonet.com/mythtv....had problems with dependencies but got those resolved with the help of a friend...got to the point of running mythtvsetup and get an error |
| [22:40:00] | N-Cognito: | "mythtvsetup: error while loading shared libraries: libXvMCW.so.1" |
| [22:40:00] | N-Cognito: | found one post in the mailing list archive but it didnt help |
| [22:41:00] | vegbox: | hmm if i put a second video card in my machine that has a hardware mpg2 decoder |
| [22:41:00] | vegbox: | will that work for my video out to tv? |
| [22:44:00] | iggy: | vegbox: depends |
| [22:44:00] | iggy: | some work, some don't |
| [22:44:00] | N-Cognito: | any ideas? |
| [22:45:00] | iggy: | N-Cognito: looks like you didn't quite get all your dependency issues worked out |
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| [22:46:00] | N-Cognito: | iggy: suggestions? |
| [22:46:00] | iggy: | N-Cognito: no clue about FC3 |
| [22:47:00] | iggy: | but there are plenty of people that use FC in here, so be patient |
| [22:47:00] | N-Cognito: | np |
| [22:47:00] | iggy: | N-Cognito: also, it may help if you tell us how you "fixed" the dep issues |
| [22:47:00] | N-Cognito: | iggy: i wish i could |
| [22:47:00] | iggy: | and by us, I mean someone who can help you |
| [22:48:00] | N-Cognito: | iggy: i had a friend come by and work on it while i took a break to go get a bite to eat and he fixed it while i was gone |
| [22:48:00] | N-Cognito: | thats fine...ill stop back by later and ask again |
| [22:49:00] | ** dh1 starts some mac-n-cheese ** | |
| [22:49:00] | dh1: | mmmm |
| [22:51:00] | vegbox: | will an nvidia based mpg2 decoder card work? |
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| [22:51:00] | jvs: | vegbox: sort of, if you use xvmc |
| [22:52:00] | cfreeze: | Over the last couple of months, I've noticed my master/slave setup is acting weird. Each will record, but it's like the master won't pull from the slave when the master is already recording, and I can't schedule from the slave. Any ideas? |
| [22:52:00] | jvs: | vegbox: do think of the hardware mpeg decoder of the fx series? |
| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | no |
| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | the mx series |
| [22:53:00] | jvs: | mx4000 or mx440 |
| [22:53:00] | jvs: | will work |
| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | really |
| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | i am trying to cut down on cpu load |
| [22:53:00] | jvs: | currently you can get it working, but will have to deal with b/w OSd |
| [22:53:00] | jvs: | OSD |
| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | cause i want to use the same machine to do net surfing will i watch tv on my tv set |
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| [22:53:00] | vegbox: | b/w OSd |
| [22:54:00] | vegbox: | whats that? |
| [22:54:00] | jvs: | black/white on screen display |
| [22:54:00] | vegbox: | ohh |
| [22:54:00] | vegbox: | using two video cards? |
| [22:54:00] | iggy: | try playing with nice values of mythtv (and let it run realtime if you haven't done that) |
| [22:54:00] | jvs: | no, using xvmc |
| [22:54:00] | vegbox: | ohh |
| [22:55:00] | jvs: | vegbox: listen, I got an PIII 866 Mhz here, using a pvr-250 and a fx5200 |
| [22:55:00] | vegbox: | ohh okay |
| [22:55:00] | jvs: | using xvmc the cpu load is down to 30% |
| [22:55:00] | jvs: | you do not need two cards |
| [22:55:00] | vegbox: | i see |
| [22:56:00] | jvs: | one tv card, one video card |
| [22:56:00] | vegbox: | but i want to use this same computer for computer tasks as well, email, surfing and downloading things here and there |
| [22:56:00] | vegbox: | at the same time using it with myth tv |
| [22:56:00] | jvs: | yeah, then do this :) |
| [22:56:00] | jvs: | yeah, do this |
| [22:56:00] | jvs: | just use twin view |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | how do i get twin view does that come with the mx series? |
| [22:57:00] | jvs: | if your card has a tv-out |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | it has svideo out |
| [22:57:00] | jvs: | thats fine |
| [22:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | jvs Twinview is a BAD idea |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | hmmm |
| [22:57:00] | jvs: | GeckoFiend: better than two video cards, in my opinion |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | why is it bad |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | lol |
| [22:57:00] | vegbox: | i dont want to break my gentoo box |
| [22:57:00] | iggy: | the card has to be a multihead card, you can't just use the tvout seperately |
| [22:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | not if you want to watch the video. |
| [22:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | Twinview leads to crappy playback |
| [22:58:00] | jvs: | true |
| [22:58:00] | vegbox: | how do you know if a card is multiheaded |
| [22:58:00] | vegbox: | it just says on the box |
| [22:58:00] | jvs: | GeckoFiend: isnt there a way to chose which output gets the mpeg decoder? |
| [22:59:00] | jvs: | choose |
| [22:59:00] | adante: | there is – i use a gf2mx as a multihead (inasmuch as each runs a seperate x-server) |
| [23:00:00] | vegbox: | does it work good |
| [23:00:00] | vegbox: | adante? |
| [23:00:00] | vegbox: | like full speed? |
| [23:00:00] | adante: | i've gone as far as to simultaneously run 2 mythfrontend instances on each :] |
| [23:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | that i'm not sure of. The big problem is the video sync. playback gets syned to the first head so unless you run your monitor at TV frequencies it'll look bad on the TV |
| [23:01:00] | adante: | vegbox: well it 'works', i couldn't really say more than that i'm afraid |
| [23:01:00] | jvs: | vegbox: adante is your friend |
| [23:02:00] | vegbox: | is what GeckoFiend saying true adante? |
| [23:03:00] | vegbox: | i was thinking about picking up this card |
| [23:03:00] | vegbox: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 114638478961 |
| [23:03:00] | vegbox: | and getting a PVR 150 |
| [23:03:00] | vegbox: | that will cut down lots of the cpu work i think |
| [23:03:00] | adante: | vegbox: sorry, actually i kind of lied – i don't have a hardware decoder so i don't know what happens there |
| [23:04:00] | vegbox: | well the video card i am getting says it has a mpeg2 decoder |
| [23:04:00] | vegbox: | for tv out |
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| [23:06:00] | jvs: | vegbox: well, the nvidia hardware mpeg2 decoder cuts down the cpu load to 30% |
| [23:07:00] | cfreeze: | Anyone know why a master won't see a slave tuner? |
| [23:07:00] | jvs: | but here only a tv is connected to my mythboy |
| [23:07:00] | jvs: | box |
| [23:08:00] | vegbox: | really |
| [23:08:00] | vegbox: | man only 30 percent |
| [23:08:00] | vegbox: | thats a rip |
| [23:09:00] | vegbox: | man im better off just building a new box |
| [23:12:00] | jvs: | hmm :) |
| [23:12:00] | jvs: | well, Im off |
| [23:12:00] | jvs: | cu later |
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| [23:15:00] | hundfred: | hi, i have problems to compile mythtv, i get: common.h:61: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| [23:15:00] | hundfred: | common.h:65: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| [23:15:00] | hundfred: | make[2]: *** [utils.o] Fehler 1 |
| [23:16:00] | hundfred: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/martin/myth_tv/mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libavcodec' |
| [23:16:00] | hundfred: | make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Fehler 2 |
| [23:16:00] | hundfred: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/martin/myth_tv/mythtv-0.18.1/libs' |
| [23:19:00] | foobar-xs: | yay!! i have mythtv working for the most part except when watching LiveTV, the video is about 3–4 seconds behind the audio and the video is a little bit choppy...ya'll have any suggestions??!! |
| [23:20:00] | foobar-xs: | oh, and audio will not shutoff after i stop watching livetv...what's up with that?? |
| [23:21:00] | tekkeh: | im busy playing with mythmusic but the visualization is just a question mark? does anybody know what i need for visualizations? |
| [23:22:00] | cfreeze: | I turned up the logging and am seeing this even though the card is definately not busy. QUERY_REMOTEENCODER 2[]:[]IS_BUSY |
| [23:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | cfreeze did you enter the IP address of the slave server on the first page of mythtv-setup? |
| [23:25:00] | cfreeze: | GeckoFiend: yes |
| [23:26:00] | cfreeze: | GeckoFiend: I even dumped my card and channel settings and reconfigured |
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| [23:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | cfreeze what's the frontend you're trying to connect to that with say? |
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| [23:33:00] | NightBird: | hello! |
| [23:34:00] | tekkeh: | welcome NightBird:) |
| [23:34:00] | NightBird: | I was wondering if mythtv supported ogm, mkv, and the like files for playback |
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| [23:35:00] | tekkeh: | nightbird, you can configure any player... default is xine, which does ogm i think |
| [23:36:00] | NightBird: | ah |
| [23:36:00] | NightBird: | ok |
| [23:36:00] | NightBird: | cool |
| [23:36:00] | tekkeh: | yea I see it does support ogm |
| [23:36:00] | ** NightBird is thinking of makeing his second box a PVR box... ** | |
| [23:36:00] | tekkeh: | good idea.. ive just got mine running, three days later, but its awesome! |
| [23:36:00] | NightBird: | I only need some ram for my main computer and then I'll have the needed parts...well, except tv tuner if I go pvr box... |
| [23:37:00] | NightBird: | that and a decent case |
| [23:39:00] | NightBird: | of course... my experience with linux isn't... well, lets just say I have very little linux experience..:P |
| [23:39:00] | tekkeh: | lol |
| [23:39:00] | tekkeh: | mine isnt great... |
| [23:39:00] | tekkeh: | i decided to use knopmyth |
| [23:39:00] | tekkeh: | mythtv knoppix install |
| [23:39:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [23:39:00] | tekkeh: | its very easy |
| [23:40:00] | NightBird: | I'm thinking of going knoppix myself... as I have easy access to an installation cd.. |
| [23:40:00] | tekkeh: | except im in south africa, and myth-tv didnt have PAL-I support, so i had to manually edit the source and recompile |
| [23:40:00] | tekkeh: | but i managed, and i dont evne know any c++... |
| [23:40:00] | NightBird: | heh |
| [23:40:00] | tekkeh: | but i must say im VERY impressed |
| [23:40:00] | tekkeh: | its great! |
| [23:40:00] | ** NightBird wonders if his video card has tv-out... ** | |
| [23:41:00] | tekkeh: | http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html if you want it |
| [23:41:00] | ** NightBird would look at the box it came in... except I can't find it.. ** | |
| [23:41:00] | NightBird: | yeah |
| [23:41:00] | tekkeh: | look at the back of it? |
| [23:41:00] | tekkeh: | lol |
| [23:41:00] | NightBird: | well....yeah... |
| [23:41:00] | NightBird: | I did... |
| [23:41:00] | NightBird: | however I don't really have any idea what I'm looking for :P |
| [23:41:00] | tekkeh: | lol |
| [23:42:00] | tekkeh: | either a composite RCA socket, or a svideo socket |
| [23:42:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [23:42:00] | NightBird: | av-out and s-out |
| [23:42:00] | tekkeh: | yea:) |
| [23:42:00] | NightBird: | and s in |
| [23:43:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [23:43:00] | tekkeh: | nice:) |
| [23:43:00] | NightBird: | I think I'll have to be buying a new hd instead of using one of his old ones... |
| [23:44:00] | NightBird: | well, I have some extras lieing about, however I doubt they are too big... they come from standard computer setups that are probably a few years old.. |
| [23:45:00] | NightBird: | hm....yeah... I didn't think the motherboard had sata support... |
| [23:45:00] | NightBird: | oh well |
| [23:47:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [23:48:00] | eco (identd@c-24-10-128-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:49:00] | NightBird: | tekkeh, for knoppmyth, if I want tv output, but I'm installing using a normal monitor to install, would I still have to do the tv<enter> thing? or is that only for installing using a tv? |
| [23:49:00] | mtjs (~goodusern@cvs.dakin.be) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:49:00] | mtjs: | hello |
| [23:49:00] | NightBird: | yo |
| [23:49:00] | mtjs: | my mythtvlog gives Unable to connect to database! |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | I'm using gentoo |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | and get that in the logfile |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | if i start /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | yet if I startup mythbackend myselves I don't get any error |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | I know there is a text file that states the user |
| [23:50:00] | mtjs: | and now it is in /userdir/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [23:51:00] | mtjs: | yet in what place should it be for the mythbackend startup script from gentoo ? |
| [23:51:00] | NightBird: | hm... |
| [23:53:00] | foobar-xs (~foobar@24-116-253-26.cpe.cableone.net) Quit ("Leaving") | |
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