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Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] tekkeh: guys, here's one for a laugh... i spent 8 hrs trying to get myth to work... auto scanning was disabled in myth-setup, i couldnt get any reception when i manually set up channels.. i eventually found out about "scantv"... but it found no channels.. then i discovered i could push my antennae cable into my tuner a bit more... what a waste of two days, a cable not pushed in properly hahahaa and all along i thought it was driver problems ;)
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[00:19:00] Igg-man: Is the pvr350 a good card?
[00:19:00] Igg-man: or is it overkill?
[00:21:00] tbutzon: i'd like mine, if it worked... :-P
[00:22:00] Tommck: Igg-man – were you planning on using an s-video connector to your TV?
[00:22:00] Igg-man: Hmm... not sure, is it worth it?
[00:22:00] Igg-man: I don't think I will
[00:23:00] Tommck: uhh... what kind of connection to the TV do you plan on using?
[00:23:00] Igg-man: Old... its a big old TV, probably does not have component, just composite and svideo
[00:24:00] Tommck: then you should use s-video
[00:24:00] Tommck: what kind of CPU were you planning on?
[00:24:00] Igg-man: its a AMD xp1500 I think
[00:25:00] Tommck: well, you don't need the 350
[00:25:00] Igg-man: ?
[00:25:00] Tommck: but you need a video card with an s-video out.
[00:25:00] Tommck: do you have an s-video out on your video card?
[00:25:00] Igg-man: Okay, I tend to find that the capture (or playback) isn't the best
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[00:25:00] Igg-man: I don't think the card it has now has svideo out
[00:26:00] Tommck: well, I'd recommend an nVidia card with s-video out and pvr-150 card
[00:26:00] Tommck: how many inputs were you shooting for?
[00:26:00] Igg-man: Okay, that should be fast enough for play back?
[00:27:00] Igg-man: only one (for now)
[00:27:00] Tommck: yeah.. plenty fast enough
[00:27:00] Igg-man: Can I still get the 150 somewhere?
[00:27:00] Tommck: sure.. why wouldn't you ?
[00:27:00] mchou: Igg-man: probably. Try Circuit City.
[00:27:00] tbutzon: or online :)
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[00:27:00] Igg-man: About $100?
[00:28:00] Tommck: less than that
[00:28:00] hadees: hey on a frontend only does it really matter what the file system of / is?
[00:28:00] mchou: nah, retal version comes with irblaster.
[00:28:00] mchou: retail*
[00:28:00] Tommck: pcalchemy.com is where I bought my pvr-500
[00:28:00] Tommck: mchou – yeah.. true
[00:28:00] mchou: $60
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[00:28:00] Igg-man: Yah, I guess I didn't scroll down far enough
[00:28:00] gr8nash: CyberKnet, you around?
[00:28:00] simon_c: anyone any idea how realistic it is to use a P2–350 for myth recording and playback with a framegrabber based card ?
[00:28:00] Tommck: Igg-man – you have a remote plan?
[00:28:00] Igg-man: Nope, not at this time
[00:28:00] Tommck: simon_c – nope
[00:28:00] Igg-man: I have a wireless keyboard though
[00:29:00] Tommck: Igg-man – that'll work well
[00:29:00] Igg-man: actually, this isn't going to be for me, but I'm starting to like the project so much I might have to build one for myself
[00:29:00] Igg-man: with my roommate's money :-)
[00:29:00] Tommck: ah :)
[00:29:00] simon_c: Tommck: Nope, you don't have an idea. or Nope, it won't work ?
[00:29:00] Tommck: simon_c – it won't work
[00:29:00] Tommck: that's not enough CPU
[00:29:00] simon_c: Ahh. :-(
[00:29:00] tbutzon: (II) IVTVDEV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
[00:29:00] tbutzon: "TVscreen" for depth/fbbpp 25/32
[00:29:00] tbutzon: (**) IVTVDEV(0): Depth 25, (**) framebuffer bpp 32
[00:29:00] tbutzon: (EE) IVTVDEV(0): Weight given (000) is inconsistent with the depth (25)
[00:29:00] tbutzon: (II) UnloadModule: "ivtvdev"
[00:29:00] tbutzon: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[00:30:00] dougl: can someone point me in the right direction to set up a vision plus dvb card?
[00:30:00] tbutzon: oops, sorry for the paste
[00:30:00] hadees: tbutzon, ever heard of a pastbin
[00:30:00] hadees: pastbin.ca
[00:30:00] kormoc: simon_c, I have a 2.4 ghz p4. Capturing uses ~35% of my cpu. Playback uses ~20%
[00:30:00] Tommck: ^e
[00:30:00] Tommck: kormoc – you're using framegrabbers?
[00:30:00] simon_c: The only small box + mboard I have. everything else is too big for the other half to let it in the living room. :-(
[00:30:00] kormoc: tomimo, a bt878, aye
[00:31:00] Igg-man: tommck: What do you recommend for playback, any special nvidia card?
[00:31:00] Tommck: kothog – ok :)
[00:31:00] simon_c: kormoc: thanks
[00:31:00] kormoc: simon_c, your welcome.
[00:31:00] Tommck: Igg-man almost anything.. I use a Chaintech FX 5200 (fanless)
[00:31:00] hadees: simon_c, might i suggest using that as a frontend and using anohter computer that loud as a backend
[00:31:00] Tommck: Igg-man – it's only about $45 at newegg
[00:32:00] Tommck: hadees – you think that's fast enough to decode?
[00:32:00] Igg-man: cool, so the whole thing should only cost about $125-$150... sweet
[00:32:00] kormoc: hadees, a 350? I think that's a bit on the low end...
[00:32:00] simon_c: I nede th back end close to the sky+ box though. Otherwise, yes that would work.
[00:32:00] hadees: Tommck, possibly, if he used a pvr-350 i think for sure
[00:32:00] hadees: Tommck, i mean an xbox can handle it
[00:32:00] Tommck: hadees – but if it's only a front end..
[00:32:00] tbutzon: http://pastebin.com/309697
[00:32:00] kormoc: hadees, well, only if he's decoding mpeg2.
[00:33:00] Tommck: hadees – an XBox is a 700
[00:33:00] tbutzon: so there's a paste... but i take it there's no idea what the heck that's about anyway
[00:33:00] hadees: simon_c, buy an xbox
[00:33:00] Tommck: hadees – and a P3 at that
[00:33:00] hadees: xboxs still work right?
[00:33:00] hadees: I might have to pick me up a couple
[00:33:00] Tommck: as far as I know
[00:33:00] simon_c: I've tested the p2 on playback, and it seems OK.
[00:33:00] simon_c: xbox still won't be a backend though.
[00:34:00] hadees: simon_c, yeah your screwed with the backend
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[00:34:00] Tommck: simon_c – kinda hard to shoehorn the input cards into it :)
[00:34:00] kormoc: tbutzonm depth of 25? shouldn't that be 24? not sure if it's related to your issue tho
[00:34:00] hadees: simon_c, your other option is to buy a case that looks good in the living room
[00:34:00] simon_c: Tommck: :-)
[00:34:00] hadees: simon_c, i have one that looks like stero stuff
[00:34:00] hadees: but mine is expensive
[00:34:00] hadees: atechfabrication.com
[00:34:00] hadees: there are others out there though at a better price
[00:34:00] hadees: not quite the quality but
[00:35:00] simon_c: hadees: Yes. I've looked around at those. V expensive for a case and mboard !
[00:35:00] simon_c: And getting finance approval would be dificult. ;-)
[00:35:00] hadees: simon_c, do you have other computers that could be a backend?
[00:35:00] hadees: simon_c, i am sure you could find something she would be okay with
[00:35:00] tbutzon: well the lockup isn't occurring anymore, but it still doesn't show up on tv
[00:36:00] hadees: simon_c, once she starts using mythtv she will forget all about it
[00:36:00] Igg-man: wait a sec... is the wintv pvr-150 the same as a avermedia 150?
[00:37:00] hadees: no clue
[00:37:00] hadees: check the chip
[00:37:00] hadees: thats the important part
[00:37:00] tbutzon: http://pastebin.com/309699
[00:37:00] simon_c: hadees: yes and no. I've another P4 based machine I could use, but it will require some cat5 cabling. 802.11b doens't have the bandwidth.
[00:37:00] simon_c: hadees: Nah, she's sure to find something to bitch about.
[00:38:00] simon_c: It's got to be as clean and slick as the sky+ box.
[00:39:00] tbutzon: nothing looks wrong with the xorg log to me
[00:39:00] hadees: simon_c, i would say let her pick it out then, if you want something to wow her http://www.atechfabrication.com/ is the best
[00:39:00] kormoc: tbutzon, google the error?
[00:40:00] hadees: simon_c, there are lots of good cases out there
[00:40:00] hadees: just get a list
[00:40:00] tbutzon: i've googled FBIOBLANK before, everyone seems to say just ignore it
[00:40:00] hadees: and let her choose
[00:40:00] tbutzon: that's the only error-looking thing in the log
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[00:43:00] simon_c: hadees: They seem just a tad expensive to me. I could buy a DVD recorder for that price.
[00:43:00] CanadaBoy: anyone here running xbox mythtv?
[00:43:00] hadees: simon_c, hehe yeah but she couldn't argue with them
[00:43:00] ** simon_c thinks it's going to easier to persuade her to change the livingroom round, to hide a big PC somehwere. **
[00:43:00] simon_c: hadees: You don't know my other half. .........
[00:43:00] hadees: simon_c, i am telling you can find one, have her look over shuttle cases
[00:44:00] simon_c: hadees: :-)
[00:44:00] hadees: there has to be one she likes
[00:44:00] hadees: but hiding it is also a good idea
[00:44:00] simon_c: hadees: Anything more than £100 (UKP) will be too much. I may be better off getting a PCR100 card for the P2 box.
[00:44:00] hadees: you'll have an easier time with a shuttle so i would still break up the backend
[00:45:00] dougl: is the twinhan 1020a supported by myth?
[00:45:00] simon_c: hadees: I'm planning to offload most of the storage to another box. I always seem to end up with noisy disks for some reason. :-(
[00:45:00] simon_c: hadees: If I buy a case + moboard, it will probalby be a shuttle.
[00:47:00] Igg-man: tommck: can the pvr-500 record two programs at the same time?
[00:47:00] hadees: simon_c, from a sytle aspect considering what mythtv can replace it looks so much better to me
[00:49:00] simon_c: hadees: Money is a limiting factor for me though. I've access to a decent amount of kit, but very little money. :-(
[00:50:00] hadees: simon_c, i didn't have any money when i got the atech case, i bought it because i plan on using it for a long time
[00:51:00] Igg-man: Tommck: Well, my brother is going to get the pvr-500
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[00:51:00] CanadaBoy: anyone here running xbox mythtv?
[00:51:00] CanadaBoy: as a frontend
[00:51:00] Igg-man: canadaboy: I tried doing it
[00:51:00] CanadaBoy: Igg-man: and?
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[00:51:00] Igg-man: CanadaBoy: I got it working to the point just before it played, and it hung the xbox
[00:52:00] Igg-man: CanadaBoy: I didn't actually install the full mythtv
[00:52:00] Igg-man: CanadaBoy: there are some python scripts for xbmc that will let you open the files directly off of the mythtv server
[00:52:00] Igg-man: CanadaBoy: I'm wondering if they would work if they were hardware encoded to mpeg2 instead of the nuv format that it's in right now
[00:53:00] CanadaBoy: awe i see ...
[00:53:00] CanadaBoy: im tyring to decide ona frontend
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[00:54:00] Igg-man: well, the python was was very easy to setup (assuming you have xbmc running already)
[00:54:00] hadees: Igg-man, what are you talking about
[00:54:00] tbutzon: ok, any idea dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 wouldn't work if all the ivtv modules are loaded?
[00:55:00] hadees: "hardware encoded to mpeg2 instead of the nuv format that it's in right now"
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[00:55:00] Igg-man: hadees: I guess I'm confused
[00:55:00] hadees: mpeg2 is a codec
[00:55:00] hadees: nuv is a file container
[00:55:00] Igg-man: hadees: the xbmc wouldn't play the nuv files, but it had no trouble with the mpg2 files from the replaytv
[00:55:00] hadees: nuv can be an mpeg
[00:55:00] Igg-man: hadees: Oh, I thought it was nu-something video format
[00:56:00] hadees: Igg-man, thats because nuv has extra stuff in there also
[00:56:00] hadees: Igg-man, nuv is like avi
[00:56:00] Igg-man: hadees: okay, even so, the python script stuff was supposed to make it work, but it didn't seem to play it back
[00:56:00] Igg-man: okay
[00:56:00] hadees: that i got no clue about
[00:58:00] hadees: damn my new heatsink sounds like a leaf blower
[00:58:00] Igg-man: Well, time to go home now
[00:58:00] Igg-man: see you guys all next time
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[00:58:00] hadees: anyone know of muffling the sound with out decreasing preformace
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[00:59:00] SteveHolt: CanadaBoy: my xbmc plays nuv files fine
[00:59:00] kormoc: hadees, pick up a silent cooler?
[00:59:00] hadees: SteveHolt, that doesn't mean much unless you both are using the same codec
[01:00:00] simon_c: hadees: What's producing the sound ?
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[01:00:00] hadees: kormoc, no go, i had to get a 2U heat sink because the standard one i had that was really quiet as like 1 cm from the top of my case
[01:00:00] kormoc: what's vbmc?
[01:00:00] SteveHolt: yeah, I just didn't want him to think it wasn't possible
[01:00:00] kormoc: hadees, what bout a totally silent one?
[01:00:00] hadees: simon_c, i think it is the fan, i got it alittle better by running it at 70%
[01:00:00] hadees: kormoc, nope, i could go with water but it would be hard in this case
[01:01:00] kormoc: hadees, passive cooled zalman heatsinks are a nogo?
[01:01:00] ** kormoc scratches his head about why that'd be **
[01:02:00] simon_c: hadees: have you tried http://www.quietpc.com/ ?
[01:02:00] SteveHolt: kormoc: vbmc = http://www.vbmc.org/ ?
[01:02:00] hadees: kormoc, nope, the atech case just has really low clearance on the model i got, thats why they changed the design but i am kidn of screwed
[01:02:00] kormoc: hadees, you don't have room on both sides of the videocard?
[01:02:00] hadees: kormoc, yeah i do
[01:02:00] kormoc: hadees, so why can't you use it then?
[01:03:00] kormoc: SteveHolt, so why's that a issue with myth?
[01:03:00] hadees: i don't think passive will work with the heat
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[01:03:00] SteveHolt: I don't know, what is vbmc?
[01:03:00] kormoc: hadees, sure it will
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[01:03:00] kormoc: you have plenty of airflow no?
[01:03:00] SteveHolt: do you mean xbmc?
[01:04:00] kormoc: <SteveHolt> CanadaBoy: my xbmc plays nuv files fine
[01:04:00] kormoc: yeah, that
[01:04:00] kormoc: sorry, I typoed odd word
[01:04:00] SteveHolt: ahh, xbmc = XBoxMediaCentre
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[01:04:00] kormoc: hadees, http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/code_list.asp?code=013
[01:04:00] kormoc: hadees, the middle 3, the ones that wrap around the card
[01:04:00] kormoc: hadees, they'll work perfectly
[01:05:00] kormoc: SteveHolt, ahh, gotcha
[01:05:00] SteveHolt: no problem, toodles
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[01:09:00] tbutzon: grrr now it's ivtv: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found
[01:10:00] simon_c: I've got a card ATI Rage Pro card, with svideo and av out (as well as standard monitor output) do I need to do anything special to enable to other outputs ?
[01:10:00] tbutzon: if i ever get x11 to output on the tv i'll be good to go
[01:12:00] tbutzon: ahh poo
[01:13:00] tbutzon: options saa7127 enable_output=1 output_select=0
[01:13:00] tbutzon: this is the kind of poop that makes setting this up so hard
[01:14:00] tbutzon: ivtv: Failed to load module saa7127
[01:14:00] tbutzon: because it didn't like the parameters
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[01:17:00] tbutzon: ahhhhh
[01:17:00] tbutzon: finally
[01:17:00] tbutzon: x11 is on my tv
[01:17:00] ** tbutzon dances and sings and gets drunk and passes out **
[01:21:00] simon_c: tbutzon: :-)
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[01:21:00] simon_c: tbutzon: Any good references on how to do that ? I'll be needing to do it soon.
[01:24:00] xris: simon_c: ati drivers in linux are rather crappy
[01:26:00] simon_c: woop.
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[01:30:00] tbutzon: i'm going to add some notes to http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=TvOutHowto sometime soon (maybe monday)
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[01:37:00] simon_c: tbutzon: thanks. how about adding them onto www.mythtv.info ?
[01:39:00] hadees: simon_c, why not you
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[01:40:00] hadees: plus arn't they in modinfo
[01:41:00] simon_c: hadees: I probably will, if tbutzon doesn't. :-)
[01:41:00] abarbaccia: anybody here setting up an ubuntu mythtv box? check out my guide and let me know what you think: www.abarbaccia.com
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[01:42:00] hadees: simon_c, i haven't been reading but make sure you know what your talking about and it works because nothing i hate more then an incorrect wiki
[01:42:00] simon_c: hadees: I know. I'm writing a howto from the suse perspective on the mythtv.info wiki at the moment.
[01:43:00] simon_c: ported the rpms from redhat RPMs (from atrpms) to suse RPMs, and they seem to work. Still tweaking the dependanceis etc though.
[01:43:00] hadees: on gentoo-wiki i kept changing this command daily to the correct command in the mythtv howto, and some idiot kept changing it back
[01:43:00] simon_c: lol
[01:44:00] hadees: after a week i gave up
[01:46:00] GreyFoxx: \
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[01:51:00] abcde: Does MythTV support VBI (Teletext/CC/Subtitles) for DVB cards?
[01:51:00] abarbaccia: hey guys, im looking at a motherboard, and it doesnt have any external serial outputs, but has 2x5 pin serial headers on the board – is there someway i can get an adapter so i dont have to solder things directly to the headers?
[01:53:00] AlHaz: yeah
[01:53:00] AlHaz: pull one out of an old computer
[01:54:00] abarbaccia: besides ripping apart an old computer – you think the motherboard comes with one maybe?
[01:55:00] GotD0t: probably could get one from a ratshack...
[01:55:00] GotD0t: or somewheres online
[01:55:00] simon_c: the sort of stuff I threw out when I went through the loft last week. .......
[01:55:00] abarbaccia: its a chaintech mb. http://www.chaintechusa.com/tw/eng/product_sp . . . mp;PISNo=147 tell me what you think
[01:57:00] GotD0t: where are they?
[01:57:00] GotD0t: abarbaccia?
[01:58:00] abarbaccia: what do you mean? read on the internal i/o connectors
[01:58:00] abarbaccia: Two 5x2 pin Serial Port connectors (COM1/COM2) with housing
[01:58:00] GotD0t: hmm
[01:58:00] GotD0t: somehow i ended up with a pic
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[01:58:00] GotD0t: oops
[01:58:00] GotD0t: hehe
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[02:00:00] tbutzon: ermm... simon_c: i'd prefer to put it on the most "official" wiki i can find... there's no sense in having things spread out all over the place
[02:00:00] simon_c: tbutzon: AFAIK, mythtv.info is the most "official" one. But I could easilly be wrong.
[02:00:00] tbutzon: i suppose a link over to the ivtv page wouldn't hurt
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[02:01:00] tbutzon: ahh, yeah, i got confused about ivtv vs mythtv
[02:01:00] simon_c: I'll take a look at ivtv too.
[02:01:00] tbutzon: but still, it's really an ivtv issue, so i'll post there. i'll make sure to add a link on mythtv.info
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: tbutzon: What kind of card did you configure for TV out ?
[02:01:00] tbutzon: pvr350
[02:01:00] abarbaccia: GotD0t, its a great MB for $75 considering it has sata raid and the rest of it – plus 128 shared memory
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: Then it should be on the ivtv wiki
[02:01:00] tbutzon: yup
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: It's not myth specific
[02:02:00] GreyFoxx: but certainly a link to it couldn't hurt,m though I would be suprised if there wasn't one already
[02:02:00] abarbaccia: question – if a board has s-video out – you can't put highdef over that can you?
[02:02:00] GreyFoxx: abara: No you can't
[02:02:00] abarbaccia: what are your options as far as highdef outputs go? DVI, HDTV Out, ???
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[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: And VGA if you can get it in to the device you are sending it too
[02:03:00] GreyFoxx: Might require a converter
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: not many options if you ask me
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: Why would you need more ?
[02:05:00] abarbaccia: so basically if you are going highdef- get a mb without video and add a card that is able to handle hd out
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: Considering few HD sets have more than component/dvi inputs for hidef
[02:05:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[02:08:00] simon_c: later guys
[02:08:00] ** simon_c is off to bed. too late. **
[02:09:00] abarbaccia: GreyFoxx, since you seem to knwo a bit – if i would be getting an nvidia gfx card, then does the mb chipset offer me much advantaces?
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: If you are using an offboard card then the onboard offers you nothing since you wont be using it :)
[02:11:00] abarbaccia: right, but the northbridge and southbridge have nforce chipsets or whatever you want to call it – they make a difference?
[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: no idea
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[02:13:00] abarbaccia: guess not much since i havn't heard much about it
[02:13:00] GreyFoxx: Can't say I've ever seen a comparison
[02:13:00] abarbaccia: right – what i was thinking – so i guess if you are getting a seperate card, just ignore the chipset on the MB
[02:13:00] abarbaccia: but stay away from intel because sound doesn't like to work with intel
[02:13:00] abarbaccia: lol
[02:14:00] GreyFoxx: The only chipsets I avoid are sis, and via
[02:14:00] GreyFoxx: beyond that I take my chances :)
[02:14:00] abarbaccia: hahaha
[02:15:00] abarbaccia: that leaves intel and nvidia
[02:15:00] abarbaccia: lol
[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: pretty much
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[02:32:00] ribaldjester: can anyone help me with ivtv errors?
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[02:33:00] djperegrine: I have a radeon 7500 and want to get the tv-out and xwindows working right now its flickers ( I think the refresh rates are wrong) How do I fix this?
[02:33:00] ribaldjester: when I modprobe ivtv I get a "Fatal: Module ivtv not found"
[02:33:00] ribaldjester: dev/video is missing as well?
[02:35:00] tbutzon: ribal: did you `make install`?
[02:35:00] tbutzon: ok, new problem for me... irw doesn't see anything from my remote
[02:35:00] tbutzon: it's the hauppauge remote, with the ir receiver plugged into the jack on the pvr-350
[02:36:00] ribaldjester: no I installed it via apt-get
[02:36:00] ribaldjester: was working great earlier this week
[02:36:00] ribaldjester: for the last 3 months
[02:36:00] tbutzon: well what changed?
[02:36:00] ribaldjester: mythbox lost power, and when I bring it back up – ivtv is missing
[02:36:00] tbutzon: missing /dev/video probably means the ivtv kernel modules aren't being loaded tho
[02:37:00] ribaldjester: ok
[02:37:00] ribaldjester: apt-get thinks it's still loaded however
[02:37:00] kormoc: ribaldjester, have you tried to reinstall ivtv?
[02:37:00] kormoc: did you update the kernel?
[02:37:00] ribaldjester: yes
[02:37:00] AlHaz: what apt-get knows about modules is a net negative
[02:37:00] kormoc: tbutzon, if you noticed, he said he couldn't get ivtv loaded
[02:37:00] ribaldjester: true
[02:37:00] kormoc: ribaldjester, that's the issue is.
[02:37:00] ribaldjester: updating my kernel nuked ivtv then?
[02:38:00] kormoc: ribaldjester, uninstall it and reinstall it
[02:38:00] kormoc: ribaldjester, yes, kernel modules need to be reinstalled after every kernel upgrade
[02:38:00] ribaldjester: I presume I can do that via apt-get?
[02:38:00] ribaldjester: uninstalling?
[02:38:00] kormoc: one would assume so, aye
[02:38:00] ribaldjester: k
[02:38:00] kormoc: I don't know apt that well.
[02:39:00] ribaldjester: I'll look into it...thanks for the help
[02:39:00] kormoc: your welcome
[02:39:00] ribaldjester: lol – apt-get remove
[02:39:00] ribaldjester: easy enough
[02:41:00] tbutzon: so any idea why my hauppauge remote doesn't work?
[02:41:00] tbutzon: anybody have it actually working/
[02:41:00] tbutzon: emerge -p lirc
[02:41:00] tbutzon: oops
[02:41:00] tbutzon: i'm an idiot
[02:42:00] tbutzon: but the question still stands... :-P
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[02:48:00] EzoNaan: Hello.. I don't get any sound in mythTV when i press "watch tv".. I do in tvtime though.. any ideas?
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[02:53:00] abarbaccia: ribaldjester, btw, all you have to do is copy the ivtv from your old /lib/modules/kernalnumber ot the new one in the same place – that'll do the trick
[02:56:00] EzoNaan: Could anyoen give me pointers on how to set up my soundcard to get sound in mythtv?
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[02:58:00] kormoc: abarbaccia, mot always, it depends on if the kernel interface has changed or not. It likly hasn't, but it coudl cause issues down the road.
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[03:07:00] tbutzon: 2005-07–08 21:06:34.743 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[03:07:00] tbutzon: Watch TV just goes blank
[03:07:00] tbutzon: any ideas?
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[03:13:00] tbutzon: ah hah! events were coming in on /dev/lirc/0 instead of /dev/lircd (even tho /dev/lircd exists)
[03:13:00] tbutzon: man it feels good to be making progress, even tho it's slow going
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[03:28:00] tbutzon: i know i saw it somewhere... my menus are all going a bit off the screen
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[03:30:00] tbutzon: or maybe it's not overscan i need to be messing with...
[03:30:00] tbutzon: pvr350 btw
[03:32:00] tbutzon: is there an easier way to get numbers into myth's width/height settings other than pressing the remote's right/left arrows/
[03:32:00] tbutzon: ?
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[03:36:00] rtsai: tbutzon: try pgup/pgdn
[03:36:00] abcde: Does MythTV support VBI (Teletext/CC/Subtitles) for DVB cards?
[03:37:00] Agrajag-: i think there's a patch for subtitles
[03:38:00] abcde: OK.
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[03:54:00] emes: is there any way to get mythtv to buffer video on the client, watching a jumpy tv show isn't fun
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[03:54:00] emes: i'd be happy to wait a couple minutes before watching a video so that I can watch the whole thing smoothly
[03:54:00] emes: this is over a 802.11g network
[03:58:00] travolta: 802.11g is fast enough
[04:00:00] emes: yeah, but I don't have the whole network to myself
[04:01:00] travolta: "couple minutes" ,_ why not just copy the .nuv file over and play it
[04:02:00] emes: copying a couple GB unfortunately takes more than a couple minutes
[04:02:00] emes: i might as well just wait the hour for it to get transcoded
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[04:17:00] defaultro: Hi Agrajag
[04:18:00] defaultro: the patch for subtitles doesn't work in America
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[04:49:00] tbutzon: hrmm...
[04:49:00] tbutzon: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/storage/livetv//ringbuf1.nuv
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[04:51:00] tbutzon: and the frontend log says: 2005-07–08 22:50:42.822 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()
[04:51:00] tbutzon: and the backend says: VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument
[04:51:00] tbutzon: but that's it... :(
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[04:53:00] tbutzon: and its' not /storage perms because it's 777
[04:55:00] hadees: anyone know how big a rackmount case you need to use a standard power supply
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[04:56:00] tbutzon: 2u or 4u, depending on orientation?
[04:57:00] ** tbutzon doesn't know, but likes to speculate **
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[05:00:00] roz: I know there is a script to import old recording
[05:01:00] roz: does anyone know what it is
[05:04:00] jams: roz it's in the contrib dir
[05:04:00] jams: something called mythrebuilddb.pl or something like that
[05:05:00] roz: is it in the source? or do I have to get CVS
[05:05:00] jams: it's in the contrib dir of the mythtv sources
[05:05:00] roz: downloading now
[05:06:00] jams: or just grab it from here http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib
[05:06:00] roz: i got it
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[05:07:00] v_2: i have an ati remote – does anyone have an opinion on using the ati_remote kernel module vs. using lirc?
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[05:40:00] aent: hey, I have a PVR350 and am having trouble getting it working
[05:40:00] aent: I have the ivtv drivers for it all loaded
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[05:41:00] tbutzon: what's the problem?
[05:41:00] aent: I can even cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and play the mpg file
[05:41:00] aent: when I try to play the video anywhere else, it won't play
[05:41:00] tbutzon: what do you mean, anywhere else?
[05:41:00] aent: like in mythtv or tvtime
[05:42:00] aent: trying to watch live TV
[05:42:00] tbutzon: yeah, i'm still having trouble with live TV myself
[05:42:00] aent: in mythtv it seems to go to composite mode even though I select tuner0 in mythtv
[05:42:00] aent: mythsetup
[05:43:00] aent: hmm... anyone else know? I don't have a real TV anymore so I kinda need it
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[05:56:00] defaultro: hey guys, any recommendation for an external harddrive? I will use it as a storage for my .iso files
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[06:15:00] rtsai: defaultro: you should just buy a cheap enclosure and put your own HD of choice into it. Save some $$$
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[06:18:00] joevslc: anyone here good a debuging a flaky myth audio problem?
[06:18:00] GotD0t: when running mythfilldatabase it errs telling me mqsql was unable to execute query because it cant open the file 'program.MYI'
[06:21:00] rtsai: GotD0t: you probably have a corrupted database. Google for mysqlcheck corrupted database repair
[06:21:00] GotD0t: rtsai: well i dont give a shit about repairing it, i dont have any schedules or anything, so can i just wipe it and start anew?
[06:21:00] GotD0t: for simplicity sake
[06:23:00] GotD0t: rtsai: any hints on just wiping everything?
[06:27:00] joevslc: GotDOt: as root, run updatedb. then do locate program.*
[06:28:00] joevslc: see if you are in fact missing the file
[06:29:00] GotD0t: nothing
[06:30:00] GotD0t: appears to be missing
[06:30:00] joevslc: OK
[06:30:00] joevslc: di you compile myth from binary or cvs
[06:30:00] GotD0t: knoppmyth
[06:31:00] joevslc: I don't know knoppmyth
[06:31:00] GotD0t: well it should be the same either way
[06:31:00] GotD0t: just need to rebuild the databases...
[06:31:00] joevslc: it may be missing a file or have it looking in a different path
[06:32:00] joevslc: are you comfortable in mysql?
[06:32:00] joevslc: you could just go into mysql and drop the mythconverg database and start from scratch
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[06:33:00] joevslc: but if you need a file that is not there this won't help too much
[06:33:00] Beirdo_: stupid network
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[06:35:00] Beirdo_: this network is pissing me off
[06:35:00] Beirdo_: let me change my nick, you bastard!
[06:38:00] GotD0t: well i seem to have fixed the problem
[06:38:00] GotD0t: ran mythtv-setup and had it delete channel information
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[06:40:00] joevslc: but what happens when you re-run mythfilldatabase?
[06:41:00] GotD0t: its running fine
[06:41:00] joevslc: wish I could figure out my stupid audio problem
[06:41:00] joevslc: cool
[06:41:00] GotD0t: wish i could be of help
[06:41:00] GotD0t: i thought my audio wasn't working, and i was too lazy to fix it
[06:41:00] GotD0t: so i hadn't been watching tv lately
[06:42:00] GotD0t: until i got around to working on it
[06:42:00] GotD0t: i realized that the inputs were muted
[06:42:00] joevslc: mine was working fine
[06:42:00] GotD0t: well whats it doing?
[06:42:00] joevslc: then my receiver bounces back and forth between linera pcm and dolby digital
[06:43:00] joevslc: like it's trying to lock on the frequency or something
[06:43:00] joevslc: I can kinda get it working on all channels but fox
[06:43:00] joevslc: but it is still intermittent at best
[06:44:00] joevslc: happens during live and recorded
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[06:44:00] joevslc: on new shows and old ones
[06:44:00] joevslc: aplayer plays files just fine
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[06:45:00] djperegrine: My mythfront and mythweb just diecied to not see mythbackend
[06:45:00] djperegrine: how do I test what port it is on ?
[06:45:00] joevslc: can't find any specific symptoms on google
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[06:54:00] Mersault: anyone here use wireless gamepads? I'm looking for some with linux support...
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[06:57:00] mchou: heh, any usb gamepad ought to work.
[06:58:00] mchou: here is a (probably outdated) list: http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net/input/hardware.html
[06:59:00] Mersault: so, as long as the reciever ends with a regular usb end, it's probably just a serial device?
[06:59:00] Agrajag-: anyone here use one of those lcd panel things?
[07:00:00] Mersault: we need to go wireless so that the rabbit can't chew the wires...
[07:00:00] mchou: Mersault: no. I dunno what you mean by serial. USB is USB.
[07:00:00] Mersault: well, the usb device has to talk to the computer somehow. usb isn't a protocol for gamepads. it's a protocol for devices to communicate, but you still need to make sure they speak the same language
[07:01:00] mchou: as long as the linux input driver recognizes the USB end the gamepad will most likely work.
[07:01:00] mchou: what needs to speak the same language???
[07:02:00] diamon: USB is an interface protocol. A driver is needed to talk to the USB device itself, and another is sometimes needed to use whatever it's connected to.
[07:02:00] Mersault: if you plug the intel wireless series keyboard/mouse/gamepad into a linux box, only the keyboard works because only the keyboard uses the standard keyboard protocol
[07:02:00] Mersault: exactly, diamon
[07:03:00] mchou: exactly my ass.
[07:03:00] Mersault: thus, anyone have a wireless gamepad solution working with linux? driver names and the like would be great
[07:03:00] mchou: that's because there is no linux driver to support the intel gamepad.
[07:03:00] Mersault: exactly.
[07:03:00] mchou: "serial" has nothing to do with it.
[07:03:00] diamon: Yep.
[07:04:00] diamon: though the driver might pretend it's serial as part of the interface.
[07:04:00] Mersault: precisely. if it was just a serial gamepad with a usb end, it would work.
[07:04:00] mchou: you guys are making a mountain of a molehill.
[07:05:00] Mersault: my el'cheapo logitech gamepad here just pretends to be a serial interface because it's cheap, easy, and everyone sopports it. but it isn't wireless.
[07:05:00] Mersault: mchou: it isn't really a molehill when it means spending money on a device that might not work
[07:05:00] mchou: usb and encapsulate a parallel protocol. WTF cares as long as there is a driver to supoport it?
[07:05:00] mchou: s/and/can
[07:05:00] Mersault: I'd rather be sure that drivers exist for whatever gamepad I buy. and since google is returning a poor signal to noise ratio, I'm asking here
[07:05:00] Bhaal: Hey, anyone managed to get the MCE 2005 remotes working with lirc?
[07:06:00] diamon: Got a question myself, actually. It's so simple (I think) that I'm almost embarassed to ask it, but I'm about at wit's end... The ivtv driver (0.3.6w I think?) doesn't autoload when something tries to use /dev/video0, so I'll need to load it manually before mythbackend tries to load. Is there any suggested place or way to go about that?
[07:06:00] diamon: Bhaal: The Media Center ones?
[07:06:00] Bhaal: diamon: Yeah the offical mickysoft one...
[07:06:00] Mersault: mchou: you're taking my comment about serial a little too strongly. I just mentioned it because that's what my current gamepads use. don't take it as a personal matter.
[07:06:00] Bhaal: diamon: add it to /etc/modules is how I do things...
[07:07:00] Bhaal: But I know thats not the 'correct' way if you do things by the book for your distro
[07:07:00] diamon: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0471:0815 Philips. This is my most-hated device. SOmeone wrote a driver for this new one, but damned if I've gotten mine to work yet without debug mode on, which prevents it from working with Myth.
[07:07:00] Mersault: diamon: depends on your distro
[07:07:00] diamon: FC3, sorry.
[07:07:00] Mersault: diamon: /etc/modprobe.conf
[07:07:00] mchou: Mersault: look at the link I gave earlier. And look under serial devices.
[07:07:00] diamon: I'm used to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules in Slack, trying to get used to RPM's and Fedora for a bit.
[07:08:00] djperegrine: how do I reset all entries for recording?
[07:08:00] Mersault: diamon: I went through the same thing :) getting wireless working... serious pita.
[07:08:00] mchou: I take it pesronally because you are conflating different HW as protocol. That's sone fuzzy thinking
[07:08:00] mchou: s/sone/some
[07:09:00] Mersault: mchou: and you take that personally? jesus...
[07:09:00] diamon: Mersault: Yeah, just got a PVR-150 for the better quality now that I have Myth doing everything I want, I'll use its remote...
[07:09:00] djperegrine: 2005-07–08 22:11:50.927 New DB connection, total: 3
[07:09:00] djperegrine: 2005-07–08 22:11:50.928 New DB connection, total: 4
[07:09:00] djperegrine: 2005-07–08 22:11:52.935 Reschedule requested for id -1.
[07:09:00] djperegrine: 2005-07–08 22:11:53.078 Scheduled 0 items in 0.1 = 0.13 match + 0.01 place
[07:09:00] djperegrine: 2005-07–08 22:11:53.084 Seem to be woken up by USER
[07:09:00] djperegrine: I get that when I start mythbackend
[07:09:00] mchou: Mersault: I take it personally because fuzzy thinking bothers me.
[07:10:00] Bhaal: diamon: This is what comes up when I plug mine in: http://pastebin.com/309855
[07:10:00] Mersault: mchou: then don't hang out with geeks on irc. there's more fuzzy thinking here than in the government
[07:10:00] diamon: Bhaal: That's it?
[07:11:00] mchou: Mersault: lol, you arent qualified to be a geek.
[07:11:00] Bhaal: diamon: Sorry, was just pasting its serial number mostly http://pastebin.com/309857
[07:12:00] Bhaal: Are there any modules I need to load for it?
[07:12:00] mchou: Mersault: under serial devices: I-Force based joysticks and wheels (with force feedback)
[07:12:00] mchou: Logitech WingMan Force
[07:12:00] mchou: Logitech WingMan Force Wheel
[07:12:00] diamon: Mersault: It's a purity thing. Really, hardware is hardware, and what we do with it doesn't signify anything. Some folks consider hardware to be whatever the 'apparent' result or behavior is. Makes some folks crazy. I know I hate it when folks refer to hubs as routers, etc. Call it a quirk and keep it in mind I'd say.  :)
[07:13:00] diamon: Bhaal: That looks happy enough, really. It's not working I'm guessing?
[07:13:00] Bhaal: No, I used the lircd.conf from lirc 0.7.1
[07:13:00] Bhaal: erm, the lircd.mceusb.conf that is...
[07:14:00] diamon: Mersault: I can't figure out how I'd load a module via modprobe.conf. I have a reference to ivtv, but it doesn't autoload. Do I need to use 'install ivtv' in modprobe.conf or something?
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[07:15:00] Gumby: blowme
[07:15:00] ** Bhaal considers it **
[07:15:00] diamon: Bhaal: Not sure what it's up to there, sorry. I just know in debug mode I could get mine to work, but I finally got tired of messing about with it and got my PVR-150 w/ remote.
[07:16:00] diamon: Which I still need to configure, but that's beside the point.  :)
[07:16:00] diamon: The remote, that is.
[07:16:00] Bhaal: Yeah I use the remote off my WinTV 2000XP .. Was just hoping I could get this one working, coz Im gonna replace that card with a PVR-500 .. Already got an australian PVR-250 which is really a 150...
[07:17:00] djperegrine: lol
[07:17:00] djperegrine: a restart was my fix :D
[07:17:00] diamon: Yay!
[07:17:00] Bhaal: But this pvr-150 has no remote, and no where to plug it in...
[07:17:00] Bhaal: plug the reciever in that is...
[07:18:00] diamon: Bhaal: It will likely eventually work, if not already, I just had to use someone's patch for the kernel to get mine to try. I gave up over a month ago, so it may just need that patch, but I can't seem to find it anymore.
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[07:18:00] Bhaal: diamon: Okey, will keep looking thanks...
[07:18:00] diamon: Still got mine, it's just playing paperweight right now...
[07:18:00] Bhaal: hehe
[07:18:00] Bhaal: Im off to the lounge to play with remotes...
[07:19:00] djperegrine: Ohhh
[07:19:00] djperegrine: its whenever I connect the internet
[07:23:00] diamon: Bah, gonna figure this out, I'll be damned if I have to manually load ivtv every time, that's silly....
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[07:26:00] djperegrine: ahhh
[07:26:00] djperegrine: got it :D
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[07:28:00] djperegrine: Ok
[07:29:00] djperegrine: how do I delete the programs data?
[07:29:00] djperegrine: like the shows and stuff
[07:30:00] diamon: I think mythtvsetup has an option to clear the channel data, but I'm not really sure.
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[07:31:00] djperegrine: not the *channels* but the shows
[07:32:00] diamon: No idea, sorry.
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[07:39:00] diamon: Darn thing.... tuner: type set to 4 (NoTuner) by ivtv i2c driver #0. Gah! Got to figure out why it doesn't know the tuner as well I guess...
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[07:43:00] diamon: LoL... Well, a cat of /dev/video0 gave me a very high-quality capture of snow, so it's doing mostly the right stuff.  :P Now to defeat the tuner problem!
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[07:53:00] diamon: Mmmrmph... Excellent quality snow, but that damn tuner. Do they vary on the PVR-150 retail, or doe sanyone know it offhand? I'm still googling through the drek...
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[08:02:00] Bhaal: diamon: I think you were talking about http://blatter.com/mceusb
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[08:08:00] diamon: Bhaal: Yeah, that looks familiar.
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[08:15:00] diamon: Heh, still no idea on the tuner, but the remote works now...
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[08:15:00] diamon: Dammit, it shouldn't prove this hard to find out, but there's oddness between the 'proper' tuners.o module and the ivtv_tuners module, looks like someone oopsied somewhere.
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[08:44:00] Bhaal: diamon: If your using a PVR-150 you should be using ivtv's tuner.o or tuner.ko depending on what kernel version your running... Same with msp3400.o or msp3400.ko ....
[08:45:00] Bhaal: diamon: I had no luck with the MCE 2005 remote... given up for the moment... I might just brew up an irda thingy seeing as though the mobo in question has a header for it...
[08:47:00] diamon: Bhaal: I think I am using the ivtv stuff, got the aliases for it. It's just not autodetecting my tuner it seems.
[08:47:00] Bhaal: I had problems with mine but that was due to it being an australian PVR-250 which is actually a 150, had to step upto the devel drivers .. After thta it all works...
[08:47:00] diamon: Bhaal: And regarding the remote, I got mine to work for irw only in debug mode, when it showed a connect_bitrate or samplerate or whatever. If it's 0, it won't work. Keep reinserting it until it gets a rate.
[08:48:00] diamon: Seems to be just the tuner now, everything else is running like a champ, though I can't wait until the ivtv driver allows rescaling the video stream, the max-size captures I'll have to do will really gobble space fast, though I won't mind the quality.  :)
[08:48:00] Bhaal: diamon: rm the tuner.o and msp3400.o from your /lib/modules/<kernel>/wherever directory and depmod again, otherwise it *will* use the kernel module rather then the ivtv
[08:49:00] diamon: Bhaal: Even with an alias tuner tuner_ivtv?
[08:49:00] Bhaal: yes... When you do a make install in the ivtv src dir, it should tell you about it...
[08:50:00] diamon: I used the rpm's for it from atrpm.
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[08:50:00] diamon: I'm not big on building the kernel from source on this FC3 system if I can help it, it's a lot of pain and hate to build without breaking RPM.
[08:52:00] SlicerDicer-: Bhaal, check pm :)
[08:52:00] diamon: btw, what did you do for the ivtv-fw-enc/dec files? I've got them already, but I'm not sure if they're 'proper' ones.
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[08:56:00] poonj: hey MonMotha: you there?
[08:56:00] MonMotha: yes...?
[08:56:00] diamon: Ok, I've mv'd the old tuner.ko and msp3400.ko just in case it is using the old one.
[08:57:00] diamon: MonMotha: I know I've seen you in IRC before, but I just realized the nick is familiar... Did you do a firewall script once(still)?
[08:58:00] poonj: MonMotha, you said a few days earlier that I needed to change the mplexid and serviceid fields for the pchdtv
[08:58:00] poonj: what about the atscsrcid?
[08:58:00] poonj: do I need to change that as well?
[09:00:00] MonMotha: diamon: yes, though it's kinda unmaintained these days. monmotha.mplug.org
[09:00:00] diamon: monmotha: Yeah, I used to use it a good bit ago, just wanted to let you know the effort was appreciated.  :) I use ipcop nowadays, but back then that was a slick script for what I needed to do.
[09:00:00] MonMotha: poonj: yes. Those last three fields are what tell it what channel to use (after looking it up in the dtv_multiplex table)
[09:01:00] MonMotha: diamon: yes, it was a very early script. Most solutions are much more configurable these days
[09:01:00] poonj: okay
[09:01:00] MonMotha: I've been tempted to make a new one, maybe with a GUI interface that'll use all the modern iptables matches, but stuff that makes me money has had a higher priority
[09:01:00] poonj: I'll give it a try now
[09:02:00] diamon: MonMotha: Yeah, money is nice for sure. Just wanted to let you know I liked and used it. I find a little appreciation to be a good thing in my book.
[09:03:00] diamon: Which is why I'm likely to leave my current job soon, they're total freaking ingrates who expect everything and appreciate nothing... Bah.
[09:04:00] MonMotha: diamon: yup. I always liked getting emails from people who used it (I still get a few)
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[09:04:00] MonMotha: poonj: I actuall just had to completely redo my mythtv setup (hit the "nuke my capture card config" button and it didn't like me shoehorning in a new capture card definition)
[09:04:00] MonMotha: fortunately, I don't get very many DTV channels, since it has to be done by hand
[09:04:00] diamon: MonMotha: Well, to be exact, I have a DSL gateway in another state that I set up for some folks years ago using that, and so far as I know, it's still alive.  :) So I might be still semi-using a copy.  :)
[09:05:00] diamon: Anyway, back to cursing my PVR-150's lack of auto-detecting the tuner...
[09:06:00] diamon: And here goes another reboot, let's see what it does this time.
[09:07:00] MonMotha: diamon: make sur eyou're using the tuner.ko from ivtv, not from the kernel
[09:08:00] diamon: Yeah, I just renamed it to be sure, I thought I could trust the alias.
[09:08:00] diamon: Got the tveeprom too.
[09:09:00] diamon: Gah, I still can't get the ivtv module to load at boot time before mythbackend, anyone know how I should do that 'properly' for FC3?
[09:10:00] MonMotha: diamon: there should be a modules autoload file (in debian, it's /etc/modules) that'll load at the beginning of the S runlevel
[09:11:00] diamon: Dammit. "tuner: type set to 4 (NoTuner) by ivtv i2c driver #0". I guess it wasn't the wrong tuner.o module...
[09:12:00] diamon: Well, sound's still fine. I've never had such high-rez snow before....
[09:12:00] diamon: Well, now to brute force I guess.
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[09:13:00] MonMotha: check your tveeprom module too
[09:13:00] diamon: So, for whimsy, I have tuner types (in order of likelihood of being usable) 52, 47, 57, and 39. Anyone have a vote to which I might want to try?
[09:14:00] diamon: MonMotha: I got that one, renamed it to .old just to be sure, it didn't change anything.
[09:14:00] diamon: Looks like the aliases worked, this is exactly what I was getting last time.
[09:18:00] diamon: 52 behaved differently, but I'm not sure if that was correct...
[09:21:00] MonMotha: mine is a type 50
[09:21:00] MonMotha: mine is retail, and very new
[09:21:00] MonMotha: if yours is MCE, it will be different
[09:22:00] diamon: Mine's retail and just got it from CompUSA, so no guarantees on its actual age.
[09:22:00] diamon: Should be fairly new though. I'll try 50 as well, can't hurt.
[09:22:00] MonMotha: mine was from Circuit City...
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[09:23:00] diamon: Well, 57 gave me video but no audio, and an odd color-pattern scrolling in the bottom 1/3 of the screen, but it showed a picture...
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[09:25:00] diamon: 50 and 57 seem about the same, though I think the quality for 57 was a bit higher for the video. I'll try setting it to 57 and reboot in case this is the firmware oddness folks refer to sometimes.
[09:25:00] diamon: Maybe I should just pull it out and manually check just to get it over with.  :P
[09:26:00] diamon: Wait a sec, something changed the standard to PAL from NTSC, might explain a bit... Hmmm.
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[09:28:00] MonMotha: well, your tuner at least seems to work :)
[09:28:00] MonMotha: unlike my first one, which was defective
[09:29:00] diamon: Bummer!
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[09:29:00] diamon: Ok, time for another reboot, sound is just refusing to talk anymore, I think it's mad at me.  :)
[09:30:00] diamon: 57 and 50 look to be interchangable, everything I see online seems to say those two are nearly identical.
[09:31:00] smoke_: hey
[09:31:00] smoke_: anyone here using the dvd import feature?
[09:31:00] MonMotha: how are you tuning it?
[09:31:00] diamon: No idea!  :) I think it's doing some kind of default.
[09:31:00] MonMotha: oh, there's a problem
[09:31:00] MonMotha: use ptune.pl
[09:31:00] MonMotha: or, if it's a type 50, ivtv -r 980 will tune channel 3
[09:31:00] diamon: k
[09:32:00] MonMotha: if it's off by like 100–500kHz, you'd easily get the behavior you're describing
[09:32:00] ** MonMotha mutters something about stupid vestigial sideband modulation **
[09:33:00] diamon: Heh, I'll check that now. Should I just use mplayer to see what /dev/video0 shows?
[09:34:00] diamon: Hey, cool, there's the firmware extraction tool in case I need it later. I think I've got the roms fine already, though it's not the 'preferred' version, it's the latest.
[09:35:00] smoke_: no one here uses the dvd ripping feature?
[09:35:00] smoke_: in mythdvd?
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[09:35:00] MonMotha: I'm using the "latest" (off the CD, at least) and it works fine, but for troubleshooting, I'd say go with the "preferred" version
[09:35:00] diamon: I sometimes do, why?
[09:36:00] diamon: MonMotha: I was going to if this failed. Type's 57, tuner's set, now to see... Did you test using mplayer or what to see the output?
[09:36:00] MonMotha: I used xine, but same idea
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[09:37:00] diamon: I think I've got a winner!
[09:38:00] diamon: Now to see if myth can touch it...
[09:41:00] diamon: Myth sees it, but the audio is a bit 'tinkle-ish', like it's being very enriched in the high end, or is a low-quality mp3...
[09:41:00] MonMotha: diamon: probably both
[09:41:00] MonMotha: TV audio isn't all that great anyway (it's basically the same as FM radio)
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[09:42:00] diamon: Any suggestion on the MPEG stream type? PS, TS, whatever? Or bitrate? I've got normal of 4.5Mbit, max 6.
[09:43:00] MonMotha: PS
[09:43:00] MonMotha: I run mine at 4.4/6.5
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[09:44:00] MonMotha: but I'm used to my recordings being huge since I also do hi-def
[09:45:00] MonMotha: currently, I have 175GB alllocated to MythTV recordings, but I can make that bigger
[09:46:00] ** MonMotha loves the LVM **
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[09:48:00] diamon: That's about what I set it to just now going on setting info from memory.  :) Ok, that's good. And I've got 180Gb assigned to mine. It'll do for a bit for sure.
[09:49:00] diamon: I just need to work on the sound quality a bit, or play with the firmware files, I get an odd noise when I first get to a channel.
[09:49:00] MonMotha: I've got an 80GB HDD to RMA then it can go into my LVM
[09:51:00] diamon: I must have the tuner type wrong after all, channels over 60 seem to be missing, except for 98 and 99, the HBO channels, which have wonky looks to them.
[09:52:00] diamon: Guess it's back to 50!  :P Ah, that delicious irony...
[09:53:00] MonMotha: that's usually a symptom of wrong tuenr type
[09:53:00] diamon: Yep, and I was using 57, so I'll try 50 and see how that goes.
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[10:01:00] MonMotha: damn...3AM already
[10:01:00] diamon: That's better, but it still has a sparkly line for the top 2–4 rows...
[10:01:00] MonMotha: diamon: that's normal
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[10:01:00] diamon: Oh foo.
[10:01:00] diamon: Can't be fixed?
[10:01:00] MonMotha: well, normally it would be overscanned
[10:01:00] diamon: Is that visible in recordings and all too?
[10:01:00] MonMotha: yeah
[10:01:00] diamon: Crap-fooey.
[10:02:00] poonj: hey guys...I have no idea what is wrong. I reconfigured my mythtv box in mythtv-setup....but after the reconfiguration, I can't see Live TV, even after setting it back to what I had before. however, when I just use mplayer /dev/video0, everything works fine
[10:02:00] poonj: what the heck is going on?
[10:02:00] MonMotha: diamon: that's the VBI data stuff
[10:02:00] MonMotha: used for CCTV
[10:03:00] MonMotha: where CC means closed caption, not closed circuit :)
[10:03:00] diamon: MonMotha: So there's no way to not see that, but on the plus side my recordings when played to a TV can do CC?
[10:04:00] diamon: poonj: Can't see it how?
[10:04:00] poonj: diamon, its just a blank screen
[10:04:00] diamon: Black, no sound?
[10:04:00] poonj: and I get the error 2005-07–09 01:00:13.851 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[10:04:00] poonj: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/var/cache/mythtv/ringbuf1.nuv
[10:04:00] poonj: 2005-07–09 01:00:13.868 LiveTV not successfully started
[10:05:00] diamon: Yeah, I had that for a bit too. You using a PVR-*50?
[10:05:00] poonj: yeah
[10:05:00] poonj: it was working 2 hours ago..
[10:05:00] diamon: Feh, let me try and remember what I did that fixed that...
[10:05:00] flexy: myth, dvb, subtitles in the stream, how to get subtitles working?
[10:05:00] poonj: I just redid some stuff and now nothing works..
[10:06:00] poonj: its weird
[10:06:00] MonMotha: diamon: you can try overscannign your screen
[10:06:00] MonMotha: if you're on a TV that is
[10:07:00] diamon: MonMotha: And I'll see what it does when actually attached to a TV, I'm still on a monitor until I figure out HTH to get it to load the ivtv module before the mythbackend service starts...
[10:07:00] diamon: MonMotha: That sparkly line area, is that something that can be 'fixed' do you know?
[10:07:00] diamon: Is that perhaps not supposed to be captured, or is that 'as expected'?
[10:08:00] MonMotha: if you set your VBI type correctly, it may know to not capture it
[10:09:00] diamon: poonj: Dammit, I can't recall what I did for that ringbuffer problem...
[10:09:00] MonMotha: it's been known to show up when it shouldn't though, for example on digital TV
[10:09:00] poonj: diamon: is it something related to the configuration?
[10:09:00] diamon: MonMotha: Ok, so it's VBI stuff?
[10:10:00] MonMotha: yeah
[10:10:00] poonj: diamon: I just used mythtv-setup..nothing else..
[10:10:00] diamon: poonj: Yeah, I seem to recall when I corrected it I said to myself, "Duh!", I just can't recall what I did. I think I cleared the card config and kept the channels and set it up again....
[10:10:00] poonj: okayt
[10:11:00] poonj: why is that?
[10:12:00] poonj: still no go
[10:12:00] diamon: I can't recall. Too many chunks of data in my head right now, I forgot what exactly I did and why it seemed so sensible...
[10:13:00] poonj: 2005-07–09 01:12:38.640 Using protocol version 15
[10:13:00] poonj: 2005-07–09 01:12:38.916 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().
[10:13:00] diamon: Arrgh, it was so simple when I saw it...
[10:13:00] diamon: Oh yeah! Modprobe ivtv and restart mythbackend.
[10:13:00] diamon: It wasn't loaded for me.
[10:13:00] diamon: I remember now. Quite a cheeser to spot that.
[10:14:00] diamon: Couldn't read because the driver wasn't in, or wasn't in before mythbackend.
[10:14:00] diamon: Hmm, now where can I disable that VBI stuff....
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[10:16:00] poonj: diamon, I don't think thats the problem..
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[10:16:00] poonj: i can view TV in mplayer..
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[10:16:00] poonj: but not in myth
[10:16:00] diamon: Restarted mythbackend?
[10:17:00] poonj: yeah
[10:17:00] tannewt: I'm having trouble with mythtv-setup freezing
[10:17:00] poonj: brb
[10:17:00] diamon: Wow, 30% CPU utilization. I thought that card would drop it more than 20% or so...
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[10:21:00] diamon: Yep, there it was, ivtvctl -x=0 disabled that 'sparkly-line' effect. VBI's off now.
[10:22:00] diamon: Odd. Now it's back, just less screen used. 2 lines instead of 3 or 4.
[10:22:00] MonMotha: depends on the channel, sometimes
[10:22:00] diamon: Heh, it's back on. SOmething reset it.
[10:22:00] MonMotha: diamon: I can capture with like 10% CPU utilization (enouigh to stream it to the HDDs, basically)
[10:23:00] diamon: I'm watching live TV right now, so 30 isn't so bad really, and I'm still using xv, not xvmc for my output too.
[10:23:00] MonMotha: oh, that's including the decode?
[10:24:00] diamon: Once I finally figure out how to load the module early I'll start benchmarking more. Yeah, decode too.
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[10:24:00] diamon: Sempron 3100+ w/ 1Gb DDR, FYI.
[10:24:00] MonMotha: my backend is a dual 1.4GHz Athlon, 1GB DDR
[10:24:00] MonMotha: three tuners total (a PVR-150, crap BTTV, and a pcHDTV)
[10:25:00] diamon: That'd be pretty fun. I'm eventually going to put a dual-core AMD64 in that system, but not yet.
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[10:25:00] diamon: I was going to eventually have this PVR-150 and an Air2PC, myself. My area has digital cable, so it's worth a try, and I'm not all that big on HDTV, but the Air2PC card can do HDTV as well.
[10:25:00] poonj: okay...I rebooted
[10:25:00] MonMotha: I was intending on building a dual dual-core, but then I use my computer for real work :)
[10:25:00] poonj: and now it works
[10:26:00] poonj: this is just plain out weird
[10:26:00] MonMotha: the Air2PC is usually worthless for digital cable since you can only use it for unencrypted digital cable (which describes like 1% of cable systems)
[10:26:00] diamon: poonj: Yay! Yeah, sometimes the firmware gets 'stuck'. I've rebooted more today than ever in the life of that system due to 'sticky' odd options and whatnot.
[10:26:00] poonj: really?
[10:27:00] MonMotha: poonj: yeah
[10:27:00] MonMotha: easier to just use a digital cable box with IEEE1394
[10:27:00] diamon: MonMotha: I eventually plan to sue my cable provider under the DMCA and FCC regs for refusing to provide unencrypted 'public access' channels to try and get some kind of decoding interface or some such.
[10:27:00] poonj: diamon, getting lawyers?
[10:28:00] diamon: poonj: Eventually if I must. I figure I'll try a slightly-publicized version of serving them letters-of-intent and see if the media bites.  :)
[10:28:00] diamon: Media does more than lawyers sometimes, sad to say.
[10:28:00] MonMotha: my cable co does appear to at least give the local CBS and NBC affiliate, but I can pick up CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX, ABC, and sometimes UPN with an antenna
[10:29:00] MonMotha: however, I don't pay for digital cable, so they may just have a trap installed
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[10:30:00] diamon: I pay for mine, and have no intention of only allowing their provided cable box to work.
[10:30:00] MonMotha: diamon: well, that's the point of cable cards
[10:30:00] MonMotha: however, there's no support for thos ein Linux, and probably never will be
[10:30:00] poonj: would the eff organization help?
[10:31:00] diamon: Maybe.
[10:31:00] diamon: MonMotha: And that's exactly my problem, which I hope to change. There's no reason they can't be part of a simple decoder, either software or hardware.
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[10:32:00] tannewt: mythtv-setup is freexing my comp
[10:32:00] MonMotha: diamon: I guess, though the whole point of them (as far as the industry is concerned) is to prevent consumer'
[10:32:00] tannewt: I think its the GANT theme, how can I change it
[10:32:00] tannewt: ?
[10:32:00] MonMotha: diamon: I guess, though the whole point of them (as far as the industry is concerned) is to prevent consumer's raw access to the digital cable signal
[10:32:00] PoonJ: okay...using GAIM for irc...looks decent
[10:33:00] MonMotha: tannewt: run the frontend, go into setup, setup, appearance, first page
[10:33:00] tannewt: I doubt the frontend will run
[10:34:00] MonMotha: then start hacking on the seemingly undocumented database schema :)
[10:34:00] diamon: MonMotha: That's part of my beef, but I'll take that up whenever I feel frisky... Not yet though.
[10:34:00] MonMotha: they also like the fact that they've got it set up so that they'll be able to permenantly rent you somethin
[10:34:00] MonMotha: like they used to before cable TVs became popular
[10:35:00] diamon: tannewt: None of my installs of Myth has had a problem at that point, you may wish to re-do your install to make sure it went in properly.
[10:35:00] tannewt: diamon: i just recompiled (I'm on gentoo)
[10:36:00] diamon: MonMotha: Yeah, it'll be fun for sure, but I feel vaguely hopeful.
[10:36:00] tannewt: how would I wipe the db?
[10:36:00] diamon: tannewt: Dunno then, sorry... I'm using the RPM's.
[10:36:00] MonMotha: diamon: I would love you if you could get basic digital cable unencrypted everywhere
[10:36:00] MonMotha: I don't mind cable cards and boxes for premium channels and higher tiers
[10:37:00] tannewt: diamon, it worked until the themes changed
[10:37:00] tannewt: when it worked it was blue
[10:38:00] MonMotha: hum...I cannot figure out why my PVR card aborts recordings halfway through sometimes
[10:39:00] MonMotha: MythTV doesn't even seem to be aware of it. The logfiles indicate that it thinks it stopped recording when it should have
[10:39:00] MonMotha: trying to delete the partial recordings also causes problems...like locking the frontend
[10:39:00] diamon: MonMotha: Try making sure your PCI Latency timer is 64–128, 32 seems to make things freaky overall. I've had a lot of oddness until I changed that.
[10:39:00] diamon: I prefer 64 so far.
[10:41:00] MonMotha: wow...I haven't had to manually screw with PCI latency timers since like 1996
[10:43:00] diamon: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I finally changed it once out of desperation to cure a 'buzzing' sound that a friend's comp got in certain games, and it finally fixed it. System was faster overall too.
[10:45:00] MonMotha: this system is apparently 32 or none
[10:46:00] diamon: Oh foo. Bios update maybe?
[10:46:00] MonMotha: it's a pretty recent BIOS
[10:46:00] MonMotha: this system isn't really designed to handle crappy cards
[10:46:00] MonMotha: it's a server motherboard
[10:46:00] diamon: Ugh. I'm not clear what 'none' does.
[10:47:00] MonMotha: well, none makes the system grab the bus back from bus master cards very quickly
[10:47:00] MonMotha: PCI latency determines how long the system lets a bus master keep the bus
[10:47:00] diamon: That I knew, I'm just not clear on the effect of 'none'.
[10:47:00] MonMotha: also determines how long it'll let the card hang onto a request before servicing it
[10:48:00] tannewt: got it working
[10:48:00] MonMotha: in theory, if it can't service it immediately, it'll just tell the card to try again later. However, some (crummy) cards don't handle that well
[10:48:00] diamon: tan: Yay!
[10:48:00] MonMotha: so, there's PCI latency which lets the system say "hang on...ok now go"
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[10:50:00] tannewt: froze again
[10:50:00] diamon: Bah, now I have two things I can't find... How to get the ivtv module to load before mythbackend, and how to disable VBI entirely in the mpeg stream as a module option.
[11:00:00] diamon: Sooooo close to working properly...
[11:02:00] diamon: Though I *am* flat spoiled on being able to pause TV so I can go grab a smoke.  :)
[11:05:00] PoonJ: hey MonMotha: which version of ivtv are you using?
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[11:06:00] MonMotha: PoonJ: 3.6x
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[11:08:00] hadees: hmm why are half of the mythtv ebuilds masked
[11:08:00] hadees: thats strange
[11:08:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: okay..you also had to delete a few files from the default v4l kernel modules after the ivtv moldule install right?
[11:08:00] PoonJ: before doing a depmod?
[11:09:00] diamon: PoonJ: I think my aliases were working correctly, but I renamed tuner.o and msp3400.o as well.
[11:09:00] diamon: Delete will work too I suppose, but I'm a fan of reversible changes.
[11:10:00] PoonJ: okay, just wanted to make sure..
[11:10:00] PoonJ: becuase I just want to make sure my pchdtv3000
[11:10:00] flexy: myth, dvb-s ff with CI, can that cards card interface be used to decrypt dvb-t budget cards stream?
[11:10:00] PoonJ: works with the modules in ivtv
[11:10:00] MonMotha: ok, this is kinda silly
[11:10:00] MonMotha: I'm typecasting a literal...
[11:11:00] MonMotha: PoonJ: correct. It should give you a list
[11:11:00] MonMotha: tveeprom and tuner are some of the more important ones, atl east as far as getting the tuner to work goes
[11:11:00] MonMotha: I have my pchdtv, pvr-150, and my bttv tuner all working
[11:11:00] MonMotha: 2.6.12 vanilla and ivtv 0.3.6x
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[11:17:00] diamon: MonMotha: So do you just use 'T' connectors to run cable to the separate devices, or a splitter?
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[11:20:00] flexy: I have couple of questions, not so lucky with the answers... well, here goes nothing: 1. Can I use a cheaper full featured dvb-s cards conax smart card reader to decrypt a budget dvb-t cards encrypted stream? 2. How can I get the subtitles working on dvb-t channels that have the subtitles streamed in the stream?
[11:20:00] MonMotha: diamon: There's a giant splitter in my house for all the other TVs and I just stole two ports off of it (my pcHDTV is hooked up to an antenna)
[11:22:00] diamon: Ah, explains that...
[11:22:00] diamon: flexy: No idea on any of that, myself, but I'm still new to this stuff.  :)
[11:23:00] flexy: diamon: me too
[11:23:00] MonMotha: heh, that's a DVB-land question :)
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[11:24:00] PoonJ: hey MonMotha: for some reason
[11:24:00] MonMotha: I may use the DVB drivers, but I live in ATSC land, where we keep our encryption technologies locked up behind proprietary stuff
[11:24:00] PoonJ: MonMotha: my pchdtv-3000 card won't show a picture
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[11:25:00] PoonJ: I'm using th channels that are detected in mythtv-setup
[11:25:00] PoonJ: however, when I go to live tv, I see a blank screen, with the error
[11:25:00] PoonJ: taking too long to be allowed to read..
[11:25:00] MonMotha: is your signal strength good?
[11:25:00] Sadara: a generic question, what is the nickop on freenode?
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[11:25:00] PoonJ: how can I test that?
[11:25:00] flexy: yep, dvb is pretty good for picture quality, but it enables the providers to charge us the pay per view charges...
[11:25:00] MonMotha: MythTV basically just crashes if the signal strength is bad
[11:26:00] MonMotha: flexy: well, the local equvilent of DVB-C allows that too, but the decryption standard (cable cards) isn't really open enough to make it work with OSS
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[11:27:00] MonMotha: there's no real standard for doing encrypted OTA broadcasts (that I know of), but OTA programming in the US is traditionally network affiliates, PBS, and religious channels anyway, not anything that would be non-free
[11:27:00] Sadara: nm, just found it in the FAQ
[11:27:00] PoonJ: is there a way to find the signal strength?
[11:27:00] PoonJ: in the console?
[11:27:00] PoonJ: scan? szap?
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[11:28:00] MonMotha: azap
[11:28:00] flexy: MonMotha: yes, I'm just wondering if I could use dvb-s card for the pay per view part, because the dvb-t full featured cards prices are outrageous...
[11:28:00] MonMotha: azap <callsign>, but you'll need to set up channels.conf
[11:28:00] MonMotha: flexy: no clue
[11:28:00] MonMotha: they don't make budget cards with smart card readers?
[11:28:00] PoonJ: I have a szap, but not azap
[11:28:00] PoonJ: channels.conf?
[11:28:00] PoonJ: how does that look like?
[11:28:00] MonMotha: how recent are your dvb-apps?
[11:28:00] flexy: MonMotha: and also to use the tv-out of the cheaper full featured card... but that part I know will work
[11:29:00] MonMotha: there's a perl script to generate it that comes with dvb-apps
[11:29:00] PoonJ: I have dvb-utils..
[11:29:00] PoonJ: these are debian packages right?
[11:29:00] MonMotha: oh, the ones in debian unstable are hopelessly out of date
[11:29:00] PoonJ: oh?
[11:29:00] MonMotha: pull the CVS tree or maybe try experimental
[11:29:00] MonMotha: debian unstable got horribly outdated while they were waiting to release sarge
[11:29:00] flexy: MonMotha: it seems they do not. And full featured dvb-t card is pretty much more expensive than dvb-c which is more expensive than dvb-s
[11:29:00] PoonJ: okay...I'll give it a try tomorrow
[11:29:00] MonMotha: they basically fscking froze unstable (which is against the whole point of unstable...)
[11:30:00] PoonJ: I'm sleepy all of a sudden
[11:30:00] PoonJ: really..
[11:30:00] PoonJ: because of the sarge release?
[11:30:00] MonMotha: flexy: no clue then. I've never used real DVB
[11:30:00] PoonJ: alright, I'm gonna head to bed...thanks for the help MonMotha
[11:30:00] MonMotha: If I had a place to put a dish, I'd think about maybe getting a DVB-S card, though I'd only need a budget since I do my decoding in software and all DVB programming on birds you can see from the US is free to air anyway
[11:30:00] flexy: MonMotha: right. any hints on the subtitles question?
[11:31:00] MonMotha: no clue
[11:31:00] MonMotha: I've never done subtitles
[11:31:00] MonMotha: I know there was some activity on the DVB mailing list recently about them though
[11:31:00] MonMotha: maybe check the archives
[11:31:00] flexy: ok
[11:31:00] laga: mythtv works fine on sarge here.
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[11:32:00] MonMotha: the issue isn't mythtv, it's the DVB apps being outdated
[11:32:00] laga: oh, ok.
[11:32:00] MonMotha: last I checked they had no ATSC support whatsoever
[11:32:00] ** laga doesn't use DVB **
[11:32:00] laga: MonMotha: well, get the source and roll your own package
[11:32:00] MonMotha: laga: what do you think I did? :)
[11:32:00] diamon: Gah, I will figure out how to load this ivtv module before mythbackend in FC3 if it kills me!
[11:32:00] MonMotha: was just telling the guy running the stock unstable package that it's likely oudated
[11:32:00] laga: MonMotha: i thought you only bitched about it on freenode ;)
[11:33:00] MonMotha: laga: heh, I do a lot of taht :)
[11:33:00] laga: heh
[11:33:00] flexy: laga: I started with analog tv cards, but found that it is no mach for dvb picture quality
[11:33:00] MonMotha: flexy: in the USA, digital TV is still very new
[11:33:00] laga: yep. dvb rocks. sadly.
[11:34:00] MonMotha: most of it is upconverted crap that looks only marginally better than analog (never mind the quality of the programming itself)
[11:34:00] flexy: MonMotha: well, pretty new in Finland also, only been using it under a year now
[11:34:00] MonMotha: and USA digital cable is all encrypted, so you need to use the cable company's box to receive it, and then you just use IEEE1394
[11:35:00] MonMotha: same with digital sat, but then you can't even use IEEE1394, you have to just hook the box up to an analog capture card
[11:35:00] ** laga is using the ethernet port of his cable box ;) **
[11:35:00] MonMotha: there's some FTA DVB-S programming, but none (or at least few) of the major cable/sat networks are available on DVB-S
[11:35:00] flexy: MonMotha: pretty sad situation
[11:36:00] MonMotha: the major digital sat providers in the US all encrypt their stuff and wont' sell smart cards, nor is their signal compatible with normal DVB-S and a smartcard anyway
[11:36:00] MonMotha: I think Dish is at least using DVB-S now, but their cards only work in Dish set top boxes
[11:36:00] MonMotha: most people don't care. They just use the STB
[11:37:00] MonMotha: and since dish and the cable cos will happily sell you an STB with a built in PVR, they'll happily buy it
[11:37:00] MonMotha: easier than building your own anyway, but of course nowhere near as flexible
[11:37:00] MonMotha: that and the whole concept of tinkering just went out the window
[11:38:00] MonMotha: I could (theoretically) sit down and build an analog TV receiver right now (I know most of how to do so off the top of my head)
[11:38:00] MonMotha: at least there's no broadcast flag, for now. That would have made buidling your own digital TV receiver illegal, basically
[11:40:00] diamon: MonMotha: In that case I'd have been in jail shortly, that was going to be a point of civil disobedience for me.
[11:40:00] MonMotha: diamon: well, that's not to say that building your own DTV receiver is in any way simple
[11:40:00] ** diamon grumbles about lawmakers being in the pocket if special interest groups... **
[11:40:00] MonMotha: 8VSB modulation is pretty nasty. Easiest way would probably be SDR
[11:41:00] flexy: perhaps I just should get robbed and buy the dvb-t full featured card with smart card reader... but then, it would propably not resolve the subtitles problem
[11:41:00] MonMotha: flexy: try emailing the linux-dvb list
[11:41:00] MonMotha: they are pretty helpful
[11:41:00] MonMotha: though it's mostly developers, so be aware of the audience that you're mailing
[11:43:00] flexy: MonMotha: perhaps I'll do that. Then again, you said that debian dvb stuff is outdated, perhaps the subtitles problems will solve themselfs over time (when they'll get debian more up to date)
[11:43:00] flexy: as I'm also debian user
[11:45:00] MonMotha: flexy: that's just the dvb tools, I presume you're using an up to date kernel?
[11:45:00] flexy: but then again, I should know the sql tables to where to put the pid of the subtitles stream... not sure about that either.
[11:45:00] flexy: MonMotha: yes, vanilla kernel from kernel.org, self compiled
[11:46:00] flexy: so, the dvb streams get demuxed by kernel, not dvb-tools?
[11:47:00] MonMotha: they get demuxed by the application
[11:47:00] MonMotha: some cards do it (I know full featured ones do)
[11:47:00] MonMotha: the stuff I was talking about were just the utilities like szap, dvbtraffic, things like that
[11:49:00] flexy: right, I've not used other command line tools than dvbtune and scan, to find out the pids of streams
[11:49:00] flexy: and to align the antenna to get the best possible signal
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[11:51:00] IzNoGooD: Has there been someone trying to use a NGRAB server as input stream for mythtv?
[11:52:00] IzNoGooD: I'd like to know, because my dreambox can output one, and I even can record the stream, but a livestream would be just the thing :)
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[12:05:00] diamon: Ok, I think I found a way to fix the module loading problem, now I just need to clean up the audio quality...
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[12:39:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I am having problems scanning my DVB channels. Myth recognises all of the different frequencies (transports?) but each one I tell it to scan comes up with the same channels (all BBC ones). This happens on the full scan too – I get 6 lots of the BBC channels. How can I fix this?
[12:40:00] flexy: propably by tinkering directly on the sql database, that's what I did
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[12:44:00] DaCrayZeeOne: well... I have been poking around and the transports themselves look fine
[12:44:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I dont really understand all the column headers... so I am not sure I can edit the dvb_channel table
[12:45:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Heres one line:
[12:45:00] DaCrayZeeOne: | 1 | 4163 | NULL | NULL | NULL | 489833330 | a | NULL | 3/4 | h | 0 | qam_16 | 8 | 3/4 | 2 | 1/32 | n | NULL |
[12:45:00] DaCrayZeeOne: is there meant to be that many NULLs in it?
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[12:55:00] MonMotha: dvb_channel shouldn't be used anymore
[12:56:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Really?
[12:56:00] DaCrayZeeOne: How bizarre
[12:56:00] MonMotha: that's certainly the case for ATSC land using DVB drivers
[12:56:00] MonMotha: it uses dtv_multiplex, and then mplexid and serviceid in the channels table
[12:56:00] DaCrayZeeOne: So... stuff is stored in channel? Or where?
[12:56:00] MonMotha: which should be compatible with DVB, if my understanding of DVB is correct
[12:57:00] MonMotha: channel stores which mux to use and what subchannel on that mux, while dtv_multiplex stores the frequencies'
[12:57:00] DaCrayZeeOne: (Im using MythTV v0.18.1-r1
[12:57:00] MonMotha: that's how it works in ATSC land, at least
[12:57:00] MonMotha: I know I was told a while back that the dvb_* tables were no longer used
[12:58:00] MonMotha: mine are all empty, but again I'm in ATSC land
[12:58:00] DaCrayZeeOne: OK I see the "transports" in dtv_multiplex
[12:59:00] DaCrayZeeOne: OK I think Im with you
[12:59:00] DaCrayZeeOne: | 1035 | 4671 | NULL | 1 | CBBC Channel | CBBC Channel | none | NULL | | | 0 | 32768 | 32768 | 32768 | 32768 | Default | 0 | 1 | | 1 | 6 | 4671 | 0 |
[13:00:00] DaCrayZeeOne: that line from `channel` is mostly repeated 5 more times in channel though
[13:00:00] DaCrayZeeOne: all values are the same except for the ids I think
[13:00:00] MonMotha: well, there may be 5 subchannels that they gave the same name to
[13:00:00] MonMotha: there' sa TV station near me that does that
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[13:03:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Nah I got a freeview box downstairs that works fine
[13:03:00] EzoNaan: When I try to record something, the recorded video doesnt get any sound.. but I hear the sound when I record.. What should I do?
[13:04:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Also the linuxtv scan script didnt give me lots of channels mutliple times. At least not at first... then it did. I reckon that the drivers for my card are a bit dodgy or something
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[13:04:00] DaCrayZeeOne: EzoNaan, when you watch it (through mythtv) does the sound continue even when you pause the live tv?
[13:05:00] EzoNaan: yeah
[13:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: That means you have not set up the mixer properly
[13:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: do you use alsa?
[13:05:00] EzoNaan: yes
[13:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: From a terminal, run alsamixer -V all
[13:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Wait
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[13:06:00] EzoNaan: Okay
[13:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: do you use a line in line out wire to get your tv card into your sound card?
[13:06:00] EzoNaan: yes
[13:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: OK
[13:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Good
[13:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: in alsamixer, scroll to where it says "Line" and press the space bar, followed by m
[13:06:00] EzoNaan: Okay
[13:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Then scroll along further to "capture" and put the volume up (using the up arrow) to, say, 70
[13:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Then try watching live tv again
[13:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: the sound should pause when you press pause
[13:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: (You may need to cycle one or more of the processes)
[13:07:00] EzoNaan: should capture have capturing enabled? :)
[13:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Yes :)
[13:08:00] EzoNaan: ok :)
[13:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Hopefully capture AND line should?
[13:08:00] EzoNaan: what i mean is, should i press space to enable capture
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[13:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: yes :)
[13:08:00] EzoNaan: okidoke :)
[13:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: give it a whirl
[13:10:00] EzoNaan: Nope, no difference :\
[13:11:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Right
[13:11:00] DaCrayZeeOne: OK
[13:11:00] DaCrayZeeOne: You may need to shut down mythbackend and restart it again – try that
[13:11:00] EzoNaan: okay
[13:12:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Summary of settings: Line (Capture, mute); Capture (Capture, [mute?], 70%volume)
[13:12:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Check those settings with alsamixer, then we will have a look at using mythtv-setup :)
[13:15:00] EzoNaan: I cant mute capture :\
[13:16:00] EzoNaan: .. and i restarted and all, no diff :\
[13:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ok
[13:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Hang on – you can still hear the audio of the tv program, even though line is muted?!
[13:18:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Are you sure you plugged the wire into the line in and not the mic port?
[13:18:00] EzoNaan: uh, it got unmuted, let me try again
[13:18:00] DaCrayZeeOne: :)
[13:18:00] DaCrayZeeOne: OK
[13:19:00] EzoNaan: well.. now I didnt hear anything :)
[13:19:00] EzoNaan: should I raise the volume of Line?
[13:19:00] EzoNaan: .. and keep in muted
[13:20:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Nope
[13:20:00] EzoNaan: okay
[13:20:00] DaCrayZeeOne: With alsa, the volume that is recorded is set by capture
[13:20:00] EzoNaan: okay
[13:20:00] DaCrayZeeOne: You can turn up the volume on both though, to say 90%? Just incase I am wrong (it has been known to happen ;) )
[13:21:00] ** EzoNaan fires up myth again :) **
[13:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: right if this doesnt work we need to go into mythtv-setup
[13:22:00] EzoNaan: nope, it doesnt work
[13:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and make sure that the recording device it wants/etc is correct
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[13:22:00] EzoNaan: I have other recording things tyoo, like "streamer" – it has the same problem
[13:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: you in mythtv-setup yet?
[13:23:00] EzoNaan: no, let me open it up
[13:23:00] EzoNaan: yeah, i'm in
[13:23:00] DaCrayZeeOne: go to capture cards, your card
[13:24:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and ensure that the audio device is /dev/dsp?
[13:24:00] EzoNaan: It is
[13:25:00] DaCrayZeeOne: hmmm
[13:25:00] ** DaCrayZeeOne looks perplexed **
[13:25:00] EzoNaan: :\
[13:26:00] DaCrayZeeOne: are you sure the wire goes to line and not mic on your pc case?
[13:26:00] DaCrayZeeOne: when you start watching TV now, is it really muted?
[13:26:00] EzoNaan: yes, I have a picrophone plugged in aswell.
[13:27:00] EzoNaan: Its muted
[13:27:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and its set as capture? (Check again... lol)
[13:27:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and capture has a large volume associated with it?
[13:28:00] ** DaCrayZeeOne gives up **
[13:28:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Sorry dude, thats all I can tell you. Maybe these more experienced people can help?
[13:28:00] EzoNaan: Yeah, its all set like that :(
[13:30:00] EzoNaan: I cant see why the sound come to my speakers intead of the movie.. doesn't make sense to me :(
[13:31:00] DaCrayZeeOne: me either
[13:33:00] EzoNaan: Line out on th card ---> line in on soundcard, right?
[13:35:00] EzoNaan: I'm gonna reboot and disable my integrated sound
[13:35:00] EzoNaan: brb
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[13:38:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ok
[13:38:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I didnt realise you had 2 soundcards... :S
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[13:40:00] EzoNaan: :'(
[13:40:00] EzoNaan: Didn't help
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[13:46:00] DaCrayZeeOne: EzoNaan, ls -la /dev/ds*
[13:46:00] EzoNaan: okay
[13:47:00] EzoNaan: crw------- 1 jonte root 14, 3 Jul 9 2005 /dev/dsp
[13:47:00] EzoNaan: crw------- 1 jonte root 14, 19 Jul 9 2005 /dev/dsp1
[13:52:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Ahhh
[13:52:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Perhaps you should change the setting in mythtv-setup to /dev/dsp1
[13:52:00] ** EzoNaan tests **
[13:53:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and then run: alsamixer -V all -c 1
[13:53:00] DaCrayZeeOne: and do the adjustments I told you about previously
[13:53:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Summary of settings: Line (Capture, mute); Capture (Capture, [mute?], 70%volume)
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[13:54:00] EzoNaan: I have.. FM, mic/line, captue, capture and TV tuner there
[13:55:00] EzoNaan: the last capture is muted
[13:55:00] EzoNaan: oh, thats capture boost
[13:55:00] DaCrayZeeOne: well if you dont hear the audio loud enough, unmute the boost thing
[13:55:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Any luck now?
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[13:58:00] EzoNaan: no :(
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[14:01:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Oh well, keep prodding and poking :)
[14:01:00] EzoNaan: yeah, i guess :\
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[14:01:00] DaCrayZeeOne: alsamixer -V all -c 0 – check settings in that too
[14:02:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I have no idea what mixer its coming from or anything
[14:02:00] ManagedGI: Hi, when i change the channel with mythTV i must wait 3–5 sec. Can anyone tell me how i can scale down this waiting time? I use mythTV with DVB-S
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[14:03:00] EzoNaan: whats Line LiveDrive?
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[14:04:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, that is the time that a) myth takes to change channel and b) myth takes filling up the livetv-buffer so that it can allow you to pause live tv
[14:04:00] DaCrayZeeOne: EzoNaan, I havent a clue
[14:04:00] EzoNaan: okay
[14:05:00] EzoNaan: heeeey
[14:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, However, I dont know how to decrease it
[14:05:00] EzoNaan: ac97 capture?
[14:05:00] ** DaCrayZeeOne shrugs **
[14:05:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Keep trying :)
[14:05:00] EzoNaan: yeah :P
[14:05:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne, but can't i decrease the "pause live tv"-cache to 0 MB ?
[14:06:00] EzoNaan: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
[14:06:00] EzoNaan: sorry
[14:06:00] EzoNaan: ac97 capture
[14:06:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne, i'm using VDR and channelswitching with it takes only 1–2 sec.
[14:06:00] EzoNaan: :D
[14:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, I dont think that 0MB would be very good... myth has to encode the data, and then unencode the data again
[14:06:00] EzoNaan: :D:D:D:D
[14:06:00] ** EzoNaan dances **
[14:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, try mythtv-setup the first one... I think its called Setup
[14:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: EzoNaan, Im very happy for you
[14:06:00] laga: unencode? you mean decode. and mythtv doesn't need to encode dvb stream
[14:06:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I wish my MythTV setup worked
[14:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: laga: :P
[14:07:00] EzoNaan: DaCrayZeeOne, Thanks so much for helping, i really appreciate it :)
[14:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: laga: it writes it to .nuv dunnit?
[14:07:00] EzoNaan: Very nice to meet some nice people on the net :)
[14:07:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne, i haven't found there the right option for "decreases caching" :( ... that makes me sad :)
[14:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: EzoNaan, no problem
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[14:07:00] laga: DaCrayZeeOne: it writes the mpeg2 stream it gets from the dvb card into a file with the extension .nuv, yes.
[14:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, I have no idea dood... Im just here looking for help myself!
[14:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: laga, ahhh :)
[14:08:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne. ok, thank you :)
[14:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: laga, wanna try fixing my problem?
[14:08:00] laga: DaCrayZeeOne: what's up?
[14:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, np
[14:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I am having problems scanning my DVB channels. Myth recognises all of the different frequencies (transports?) but each one I tell it to scan comes up with the same channels (all BBC ones). This happens on the full scan too – I get 6 lots of the BBC channels. How can I fix this?
[14:08:00] DaCrayZeeOne: a c+p of my question earlier :)
[14:09:00] laga: DaCrayZeeOne: oh, sorry – i don't use DVB
[14:09:00] DaCrayZeeOne: lol
[14:09:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Fine :)
[14:09:00] DaCrayZeeOne: thx anyway
[14:09:00] ** DaCrayZeeOne goes back to reading Stephen King – The Langoliers **
[14:09:00] rtsai: ManagedGI: this has been discussed in the archives before. You could try decreasing the RingBuffer size, but I believe the answer is "no", you can't. I think the problem lies in the time it takes the tuner to find a channel, rather than anything within MythTV itself.
[14:10:00] DaCrayZeeOne: ManagedGI, how do you find VDR with DVB?
[14:13:00] laga: DaCrayZeeOne: don't listen to him, he hasn't been fully converted to a mythtv user yet. he doesn't have the necessary amount of hate yet
[14:13:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne, VDR is perfect for video recording (like the name Vide Disk Recorder) and TV-Watching ... but i want an mediacenter like mythTV to use it for TV, Music, Video, aso...
[14:13:00] ManagedGI: *Video Disk Recorder
[14:15:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I only want it for tv
[14:15:00] ManagedGI: rtsai. hmm.. i think the problem is the caching... cause VDR needs only a 1–2 sek do switch the channel... but i believe that i can't change this :(
[14:15:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I dont use the other stuff
[14:16:00] ManagedGI: DaCrayZeeOne, then, take VDR it's verrrry good for TV-Watching, recording aso. and the EPG-Support is great :)
[14:16:00] laga: .oO(...misguided pople...)
[14:16:00] ** laga hides **
[14:16:00] laga: people*
[14:16:00] DaCrayZeeOne: lol@laga :)
[14:16:00] laga: ;)
[14:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I been using mythtv for quite a while with a standard v4l card
[14:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: And I love it
[14:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: only I cant get bloody DVB working
[14:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: also I wouldn't mind testing out the competition
[14:17:00] DaCrayZeeOne: like I did will loads of linux distros before finding Gentoo :)
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[14:23:00] diamon: Yes, ivtv loads at boot time! Rar!
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[14:31:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Also i think its silly that you have to make a videosource before you can scan the channels
[14:31:00] DaCrayZeeOne: At the moment I just insert id=1 name=dvb into videosource manually before doing it coz I will be using an alternative epg thing
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[14:46:00] diamon: Excellent... Using xvmc for playback and a PVR-150 to record, cpu usage is down from 60% CPU under software-only/BT878 recording down to 20% now. I like it.
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[15:07:00] DaCrayZeeOne: diamon, whats xvmc?
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[15:16:00] Tommck: ripnetUK – I think a lot of folks are east coast of North America here, so many probably aren't here yet
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[15:19:00] jp-autark: is there a way to list available plugins that work with 'mythfrontend <plugin>' – or is there a plugin that will let me jump directly to the program guide?
[15:20:00] Tommck: you could change your menu by editing the XML
[15:20:00] DaCrayZeeOne: 2005-07–09 14:19:53.679 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[15:23:00] DaCrayZeeOne: what does that mean?
[15:24:00] ripnetUK: ok – thanks Tommk – will try again later :) cya
[15:25:00] DaCrayZeeOne: jp-autark, mythepg command runs the EPG
[15:25:00] DaCrayZeeOne: also there is an option in mythfrontend setup that means you see the EPG prior to watching TV
[15:26:00] jp-autark: mythepg, nice.
[15:26:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Setup, setup, TvGuide, show tvguide when starting live tv
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[15:27:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I missed tvsettings in that list
[15:31:00] DaCrayZeeOne: HAHAHAHAH!
[15:31:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Yeah baby!
[15:33:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Guess who just got some TV playback through myth
[15:33:00] DaCrayZeeOne: :D
[15:34:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I think there is a problem in the myth scanning engine
[15:34:00] DaCrayZeeOne: If I am right, it enters the frequency ID in the channum column, and leave the freqid column blank
[15:35:00] DaCrayZeeOne: I did UPDATE channel SET freqid=channum; and UPDATE channel SET channum=3 LIMIT 1; and it works now
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[15:42:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Ahhh...
[15:43:00] DaCrayZeeOne: it may be that the freqid is actually the serviceid
[15:43:00] DaCrayZeeOne: So I was wrong
[15:43:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Sorry :)
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[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]slice mismatch
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]00 motion_type at 10 28
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]ac-tex damaged at 42 13
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]ac-tex damaged at 17 0
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]00 motion_type at 10 28
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]00 motion_type at 1 21
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]ac-tex damaged at 28 14
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]invalid mb type in I Frame at 0 28
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]ac-tex damaged at 20 19
[16:22:00] DaCrayZeeOne: [mpeg2video @ 0xb7851854]ac-tex damaged at 38 35
[16:23:00] DaCrayZeeOne: After watching DVB happilly for a minute small marks start appearing. THis is fine, but they get worse and worse. Then the sound starts to 'pop' and 'squeek'. This soon becomes unwatchable, and the only way to rectify it is to restart mythbackend
[16:24:00] DaCrayZeeOne: These are errors I get from mythfrontend
[16:24:00] DaCrayZeeOne: What can I do?
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[16:29:00] epoch: DaCrayZeeOne: I get those too ;/
[16:29:00] epoch: wish I knew what was going on
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[16:52:00] DaCrayZeeOne: epoch, where you from?
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[16:59:00] dougl: anyone have any experience with linux and the leadtek pvr2000?
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[17:06:00] travolta: not me
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[17:53:00] Tommck: I am getting the error "Waited too long for mythtranscode to create its fifos" when trying to use nuvexport on a remote front-end... is there a restriction on running this from the local box?
[17:55:00] opopanax_gentoo: couldn't tell ya--my transcoder's broken
[17:55:00] Tommck: it's weird... works on the backend... but not on the front
[17:56:00] Tommck: and the front has a better CPU and is idle, so I figured it'd be a better place to do it
[17:56:00] opopanax_gentoo: firewall issue, perhaps? do you have any issues connecting to the backend at all?
[17:56:00] Tommck: no issues with connectivity
[17:58:00] opopanax_gentoo: hmmmm...interesting--wish I knew more. i'm still trying to get dvd ripping working, but not worried about it. also trying to get my spdif out working properly--it works sometimes--like i'm watching a stream, and every once in a while, the sound will cut in with dolby.
[17:58:00] opopanax_gentoo: but then silence.
[17:58:00] Tommck: that sucks
[17:58:00] Tommck: mine works fine... optical pass-through on a Chaintech AV-710
[17:59:00] opopanax_gentoo: strange. what sound card?
[17:59:00] Tommck: ummm.... a Chaintech AV-710
[18:00:00] opopanax_gentoo: sorry, what chipset?
[18:00:00] Tommck: envy 24 ht-s or something
[18:00:00] opopanax_gentoo: hm. what device are you pointing to on the setup?
[18:01:00] Tommck: ping?
[18:01:00] Tommck: oh.. dug
[18:01:00] Tommck: duh
[18:02:00] Tommck: it is "/dev/adsp"
[18:02:00] Tommck: with the AC3 to S/PDIF checkbox checked
[18:02:00] opopanax_gentoo: i know my sound card is set up properly--xine sends dolby and dts no problem.
[18:02:00] opopanax_gentoo: ok, i'll try that again. last driver i had didn't create /dev/adsp on udev
[18:03:00] opopanax_gentoo: internal mixer, or no?
[18:03:00] Tommck: the rest I left at the defaults
[18:04:00] opopanax_gentoo: hmmm
[18:04:00] opopanax_gentoo: dambit
[18:04:00] Tommck: when it's doing the passthrough, I don't believe it pays attention to that at all
[18:05:00] opopanax_gentoo: oh, it does indeed
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[18:06:00] opopanax_gentoo: like, if i have it set at ALSA:spdif (which is the only way i get ANY functionality) it won't find a mixer device.
[18:07:00] Tommck: interesting.
[18:07:00] opopanax_gentoo: hehe, i guess.
[18:07:00] Tommck: I think, if you don't have OSS installed, you don't get /dev/adsp, don't know though
[18:07:00] opopanax_gentoo: i guess I got funky drivers--audigy shouldn't be that strange, though.
[18:07:00] Tommck: no
[18:08:00] Tommck: I'm definitely not an expert though
[18:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: i have OSS emu. oh, you're not using ALSA?
[18:08:00] Tommck: but I could be completely full of crap
[18:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: i don't think anyone is, 'cept the clever bastard that wrote it.
[18:08:00] Tommck: as far as I know /dev/adsp is an OSS thing
[18:08:00] opopanax_gentoo: well, that would 'splain it.
[18:12:00] bowlarium: hey guys- does anyone know the best way to correct the display of 16:9 movies? i get garbled blue on the top and bottom from myth when using mplayer
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[18:13:00] giloth: hello everyone
[18:13:00] giloth: i'm having problems with my mysql database connecting to mythtv – can anyone help?
[18:15:00] giloth: first off, the ip address it's wanting from me is my ethernet address correct? this is all running on the same machine (front and backend), but i read that 127.0.0.1 is incorrect
[18:15:00] opopanax_gentoo: did you set up your database properly? add a root user, copy the mythdatabase over?
[18:15:00] opopanax_gentoo: try "localhost" instead
[18:15:00] giloth: tried that as well
[18:15:00] giloth: and also silver (computer name)
[18:16:00] opopanax_gentoo: heigh-ho, silver...away!
[18:16:00] giloth: doesn't mythtv-setup create the database for you? (i did manually create the database, but i didn't import anything it manually)
[18:16:00] giloth: lol – all the computers here are colors
[18:16:00] giloth: makes it somewhat easy to manage
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[18:16:00] opopanax_gentoo: is your mysql install actually running?
[18:17:00] giloth: yes
[18:17:00] giloth: the service is running and i was just in it
[18:17:00] opopanax_gentoo: worked for me.
[18:18:00] opopanax_gentoo: bowlarium, use xine instead.  :-)
[18:18:00] giloth: do you know where i find the log files for mythtv?
[18:18:00] opopanax_gentoo: it's an mplayer problem, it sucks.
[18:18:00] giloth: maybe i can make some sense outta that
[18:18:00] opopanax_gentoo: giloth, for the frontend or the backend?
[18:18:00] giloth: both would be nice to know :)
[18:18:00] bowlarium: i tried xine with -r anamorphic, but that didn't seem to work – it's stretched vertically
[18:19:00] opopanax_gentoo: hold on, i'll check mine
[18:19:00] giloth: k thanks, i'm new to this whole process.. i'll be so happy once it works :D
[18:19:00] opopanax_gentoo: try xine without any aspect settings--should figger it out on it's own.
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[18:20:00] opopanax_gentoo: mythfrontend logs to the database
[18:21:00] bowlarium: i tried that – i'm working with avi files from transcode, and apparently there's no good way to encode the aspect ratio in avi files
[18:21:00] bowlarium: is that true?
[18:22:00] opopanax_gentoo: really...that's strange. no, that shouldn't be right. you mean convert the aspect ratio?
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[18:23:00] bowlarium: well no, i heard that when transcode outputs an anamorphic dvd to avi, it can't encode the AR to the file
[18:23:00] bowlarium: if i play it without forcing the AR, it's stretched
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[18:37:00] TestMAD: anyone here used the irblaster on a dishnet 311 reciever?
[18:40:00] opopanax_gentoo: hmmmm...maybe if I take arts and OSS out of the config options on compile...
[18:41:00] ** opopanax_gentoo tries again... **
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[18:45:00] gb2: anyone here using an HD-2000 hdtv capture card?
[18:45:00] opopanax_gentoo: no, but I want one.
[18:45:00] opopanax_gentoo: no, wait...i get hidef over firewire from my cable, so never mind.
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[18:46:00] gb2: my cable box from comcast is currently dead and i can't get a replacement till monday so I was trying to make my HD-2000 card work, but I'm getting an IRQ lockup
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[18:48:00] opopanax_gentoo: gb2, you trying over-the-air, then?
[18:48:00] gb2: yeah
[18:49:00] fatmatt: gb2: have you tried a different pci slot?
[18:49:00] opopanax_gentoo: wood luck.
[18:49:00] opopanax_gentoo: good luck, even.
[18:49:00] gb2: fatmatt: not yet
[18:50:00] fatmatt: for some reason my visionplus card only works if its not in the first (or the last) pci slot
[18:50:00] fatmatt: one end anyway
[18:51:00] gb2: odd
[18:51:00] gb2: I've used this card before, but it's been over a year
[18:51:00] fatmatt: yes it is
[18:52:00] TestMAD: is the avermedia ultratv card ok to use?
[18:52:00] gb2: service is running. Channel number: 2:2. Name: 'PBS-HD'
[18:52:00] gb2: oh!
[18:52:00] gb2: score :)
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[18:52:00] fatmatt: was that the different slot? or did it just start working?
[18:52:00] gb2: just started working
[18:52:00] fatmatt: sweet
[18:52:00] gb2: atleast partially
[18:53:00] gb2: i think i need to fiddle with my antenna
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[18:53:00] Tommck: is that what the kids are calling it these days? "fiddlling with my antenna" ?
[18:53:00] TestMAD: is there a placee where i can go to see reviews of tuner cards that have been used with myth?
[18:54:00] fatmatt: Tommck: I think thats what Benny Hill is calling it
[18:54:00] Tommck: TestMAD – not exactly, but there are some myth sites like this: http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/index.html that talk about options
[18:55:00] Tommck: also Jarod's Guide
[18:55:00] Tommck: which is a bible-like thing
[18:55:00] Tommck: and Beirdo's wiki
[18:55:00] Tommck: Jarod's guide is at www.wilsonet.com
[18:55:00] Tommck: and Beirdo's wiki is mentioned when you sign into this IRC channel
[18:55:00] TestMAD: Tommck: thnx. i just wanna see what reviews my avermedia ultratv 300 has.
[18:56:00] TestMAD: i have enuff highend spare parts to build a mythtv box and just want to make sure that what i've got is acceptable and will give good performance.
[18:56:00] fatmatt: TestMAD: http://wiki.dvbowners.com/index.php/Personal_Computer/Products
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[18:57:00] fleebie: Ok, I've searched around for some time without finding anything, so I'll hope someone can set me straight... I just got a PVR 250 card, and I'm having problems picking up channels
[18:57:00] fleebie: I can only get two channels (not that well, either), but they are spread across multiple "channels"
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[18:58:00] fleebie: I've tried all the different ntsc frequency tables, but no worky
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[19:00:00] fleebie: scantv doesn't seem to work for me (I don't think there is a way to select the right tuner?) but I've been testing with ptune.pl and ivtvctl -r (and -R)
[19:01:00] fleebie: changing the channel with ptune.pl will cause ivtvctl -R to report the new frequency... but still the same channel is displayed
[19:01:00] fleebie: I had hoped the 250 would work right out of the box
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[19:01:00] fleebie: but I must be missing something
[19:07:00] twisted_one: Does xine use a different decss library than mplayer? I am having issues with xine being unable to get decss keys for some of my dvds but mplayer seems to work
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[19:10:00] opopanax_gentoo: twisted_one, did you try changing the keysearch method?
[19:11:00] twisted_one: opopanax_gentoo: nope, how do I do that? and what should I change it to?
[19:11:00] opopanax_gentoo: i don't know, just fiddle with some settings. i had a similar issue the other day, with one disc, i couldn't decode it properly as a user, but root had no problems.
[19:11:00] opopanax_gentoo: weird.
[19:11:00] opopanax_gentoo: you can find it in the xine config dialog, under Media
[19:11:00] opopanax_gentoo: near the bottom
[19:11:00] twisted_one: ok, thanks
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[19:16:00] twisted_one: well running root vs user makes no diff neither does key vs disc method
[19:16:00] twisted_one: gonna try title now
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[19:23:00] bomba: why is the recordedmarkup table not directly associated with a recorded program?
[19:24:00] Chutt: it isn't?
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: Of course it is
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[19:24:00] bomba: via chanid and starttime?
[19:24:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[19:24:00] Chutt: uses the same primary keys as the recorded table
[19:24:00] riddlebox: how do i find out what video device my card is
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[19:29:00] EL_Whistey: I need to find where mythtv stores its appearance data – so I can unscrew the menu/display. 480wide doesn't look good on a 1080w screen :)
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[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: There is info in the theme xml files, some settings in the setupmenus (stored in the sql database) and of course the base resolution is controlled in your X config
[19:34:00] riddlebox: what do I put in the video device section of mythtv-setup?
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: riddlebox: If the drivers are properly detecting your hardware it should show the cards automatically
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[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: Actually scratch that, you need to click new device and enter the settings for the card, sorry
[19:36:00] riddlebox: yeah thats where I am but ?I dont know what the video device is
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: What options do you have in the dropdown menu ?
[19:37:00] riddlebox: nothin
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: Then it sounds like the drivers for your card are not detecting it
[19:38:00] GreyFoxx: which you will need to deal with before you can pick it in the menu
[19:39:00] riddlebox: hrmm mandrake sees the card, what else do I have to do, I have checked the modules ivtv is started
[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: you have a PVR 250/150/etc ?
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[19:39:00] riddlebox: yes pvr-500
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: from a command line can you run the following and see if it gives you an error ? mplayer -cache 8192 /dev/video0
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: It should open the video device and play it to your screen
[19:41:00] riddlebox: failed to open /dev/vide0 I have done ls /dev and havent seen any video stuff
[19:42:00] jonK: then you dont have ivtv working correctly
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: maybe it shows up as /dev/v4l/video0 ?
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: otherwise the drivers are not doing their job
[19:42:00] jonK: does ls /dev/v* show anyting?
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[19:54:00] riddlebox: sorry I tried that command with /dev/vc/0 and it pretty much locked up my machine
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[19:59:00] djperegrine: My show listings are off
[19:59:00] djperegrine: mythweb can't find them
[19:59:00] djperegrine: and mythfrontend says at 10 AM the late night show is on :>
[19:59:00] riddlebox: what distros are you guys using?
[19:59:00] djperegrine: gentoo
[20:00:00] djperegrine: but its been updating for 11 hours
[20:00:00] spearsjc: riddlebox: debian sarge
[20:01:00] riddlebox: anyone using mandrake LE2005?
[20:02:00] PablitoMza: i testing on LE2005 ribaldjester
[20:02:00] PablitoMza: ouch
[20:03:00] PablitoMza: i testing LE2005 riddlebox
[20:03:00] riddlebox: I am having problems finding out where my tv card is
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[20:04:00] jonK: riddle, it appears your card is not being correctly setup up by ivtv
[20:04:00] djperegrine: Did you look in your closet :P
[20:05:00] djperegrine: possibly inside your PC
[20:05:00] riddlebox: is there anyway to correct that?
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[20:06:00] spearsjc: riddlebox: correct what?
[20:07:00] jonK: first you need to figure out what's going wrong
[20:07:00] jonK: how are you loading ivtv?
[20:07:00] riddlebox: I would assume mandrake loads it at boot
[20:07:00] jonK: why would you assume that?
[20:08:00] jonK: lets start with if it's even loaded at all
[20:08:00] riddlebox: in dmesg it talks about ivtv
[20:08:00] jonK: try "lsmod | grep ivtv"
[20:08:00] jonK: can you post the start init --> end init ivtv sequence?
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[20:08:00] jonK: to pastebin.ca
[20:08:00] riddlebox: ivtv 806308 0
[20:08:00] riddlebox: i2c-algo-bit 8392 1 ivtv
[20:08:00] riddlebox: videodev 7264 1 ivtv
[20:10:00] riddlebox: http://pastebin.ca/17324
[20:10:00] riddlebox: there you go
[20:10:00] jonK: dude, did you actually read the output?
[20:11:00] jonK: line 8 should have clued you into a first problem
[20:11:00] jonK: and lines 26–30 might have made you wonder something as well
[20:11:00] jonK: line 25 doesn't help any either
[20:12:00] riddlebox: so it doesnt have drivers for the pvr-500?
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[20:12:00] jonK: first, you don't have the firmware installed
[20:12:00] jonK: second, the version of hte driver you ahve is fairly old
[20:13:00] riddlebox: how do install the firmware?
[20:13:00] jonK: and may not even suppourt the pvr500 (which is actually 2 150 cars mushed togehter)
[20:13:00] jonK: first, i'd upgrade your version of ivtv to something from the 0.3.6 branch
[20:13:00] riddlebox: someone in here said they were using it
[20:13:00] jonK: define "it"
[20:14:00] riddlebox: the pvr-500
[20:14:00] jonK: im using 2 of them
[20:14:00] jonK: many people are
[20:14:00] jonK: it's not the card that's a problem
[20:14:00] jonK: start a ivtv.sourceforge.net
[20:15:00] jonK: get newer version of the driver
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[20:15:00] jonK: then get firmware
[20:15:00] twisted_one: my 500 is working fine
[20:15:00] twisted_one: oh well, time for work, bbl
[20:15:00] riddlebox: where do i get the firmware?
[20:16:00] jonK: ivtv.sourceforge.net, but i'd get a newer version of ivtv first
[20:16:00] jonK: you'll need to do both, so i s'pose it doesn't matter
[20:17:00] riddlebox: i dont not see a 0.3.6 branch
[20:17:00] jonK: keep looking, try www.ivtv.tv/releases
[20:18:00] jonK: or just use the 3.3 branch
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[20:22:00] riddlebox: now how do i replace the driver with the new one
[20:23:00] jonK: well what did you download?
[20:23:00] riddlebox: 0.3.6y
[20:24:00] jonK: and what did you do with it?
[20:24:00] riddlebox: I guess I will read the readme
[20:24:00] jonK: and, by "it" I assume you mean the ivtv.0.3.66.tgz archive
[20:25:00] jonK: if you don't know arleady, you downloaded something like a zipped file
[20:25:00] jonK: start by unzipping it
[20:25:00] jonK: then compile the driver
[20:27:00] riddlebox: I guess I need the kernel source to do this?
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[20:27:00] jonK: or at least the headers
[20:27:00] jonK: i don't recall of the top of my head
[20:28:00] riddlebox: yeah I will have to wait to do that
[20:28:00] jonK: try grabbing the 0.3.3 branch that has a prepackaged version (i think)
[20:32:00] riddlebox: I can pull 0.2.0rc3h
[20:34:00] jonK: you had 0.2.0rc3f
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[20:34:00] jonK: i don't know if it will help, and at most you'd be getting a really early version of the driver with pvr500 support
[20:35:00] jonK: you're better off to wait until you can build one from the 0.3.6 branch
[20:35:00] jonK: what's the holdup?
[20:35:00] tannewt: my mythtv-setup is freezing at the global jobs setting
[20:37:00] riddlebox: got to download the kernel stuff for mandrake
[20:40:00] riddlebox: maybe I will just download knoppmyth
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[20:45:00] diamon: Got some questions about my PVR-150's configuration. For some reason, if I set the audio to capture at 384kbit, it has a huge amount of 'hiss and tinkle' as if it were actually capturing at 64 or 92kbit. 192kbit capture though sounds excellent. Am I missing something silly here?
[20:47:00] diamon: I haven't tried other bitrates yet, I'm just trying to see if there's something I didn't know/do correctly before I start tearing into it.
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[20:53:00] diamon: Oddly, 224kbit sounds slightly worse than 192. I'm starting to wonder if my bitrate listings are backwards somehow.
[20:57:00] diamon: Down to 112 sounds like 192, and below that keeps getting worse, eventually leaving 32kbit sounding just like 384kbit, which is just a bit odd.
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[21:19:00] diamon: Heh, odd how it was livelier in here at 3am... Foo. Well, the rest of my difficulties in case a lurker knows... I can't get VBI to stop being embedded in the MPEG stream for some reason. If I run ivtvctl -X, it says on. I do -x 0, it says off, start mythbackend then frontend, it's back on. Do I need to disable it in MythTV also?
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[21:39:00] zeal17: Hello, quick question, can MythTV be configured to run without a TV tuner? I was hoping to use it to store and cateegorize my DVD collection.
[21:43:00] crash-x: yes it can
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[21:44:00] zeal17: I have been having problems getting the backend to start...It keeps complaining abut missing tables (videosource)
[21:44:00] jonK: did it ever start?
[21:45:00] zeal17: Not yet. I can get the configure menus, but not the actual backend
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[21:46:00] jonK: did you run mythtv-setup?
[21:46:00] jonK: and did you build from source or a package?
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[21:46:00] djperegrine: Ok my channels are correct, but my shows are incorrect
[21:47:00] djperegrine: I think it has somehting to do with timezones
[21:47:00] djperegrine: like its offset
[21:47:00] jonK: I'm eating a sandwhich
[21:47:00] jonK: from subway
[21:47:00] djperegrine: it said the late night show was at 10 AM
[21:47:00] zeal17: I used the .deb at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
[21:49:00] jonK: how are you with sql?
[21:49:00] zeal17: I'm pretty good with sql, but novice at mysql....
[21:50:00] jonK: make sure the database is initialized at all
[21:50:00] jonK: try mysql -u root mythconverg
[21:50:00] jonK: and select * from settings
[21:50:00] jonK: see if you get any rows
[21:50:00] jonK: make sure you have the mythcoverg schema initialized
[21:50:00] smoke_: anyone here have the dvd import feature working?
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[21:51:00] jonK: I just finished my sandwich
[21:51:00] jonK: back to work!
[21:51:00] diamon: smoke: Yep, works like a champ, why?
[21:51:00] riddlebox: this sucks i cannot update ivtv
[21:52:00] zeal17: mythconverg is there, it has 6 tables, callsignntworkmap, capturecard, cardinput, channel, codecparams, conflictresolutionany and schemalock
[21:52:00] jonK: riddle why not?
[21:52:00] jonK: did you run all the way through mythtv-setup?
[21:52:00] jonK: and i think there should be more tables, maybe they get added by mythtv-setup
[21:53:00] zeal17: I tried. #2 is "Capture card setup" but I don't have any cards to configure for that.
[21:53:00] jonK: so what, go ahead and tell it you have one
[21:53:00] jonK: if you try to use that capturer card it will fail
[21:53:00] jonK: but so what
[21:54:00] riddlebox: jonk i et an error whn i do make
[21:54:00] riddlebox: brb
[21:54:00] jonK: you've said you don't want to captuer any thing
[21:54:00] jonK: what error
[21:54:00] zeal17: What should I put for Video device and VBI device? It didn't like /dev/null
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[21:54:00] jonK: video0
[21:54:00] zeal17: ok
[21:54:00] jonK: try telling it you have a pvrx50 card
[21:54:00] jonK: fewer settings to mess with
[21:55:00] diamon: And I know mine was willing to 'configure' a 150 without having the /dev/video0 deivce or the driver loaded, so that might fake it better.
[21:56:00] zeal17: when I get down to 'finish' it just goes back to the (New Capture card) screen.
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[21:56:00] jonK: does it show the card now in the list?
[21:56:00] jonK: or do you mean the select card type screen
[21:56:00] zeal17: blank list
[21:57:00] jonK: with the "new capture card"
[21:57:00] zeal17: yes
[21:58:00] jonK: are you running mythtv-setup as the user mythtv?
[21:58:00] jonK: and does the user have permissions to access mythconverg?
[21:58:00] jonK: all of these are just wild guesses btw
[21:58:00] jonK: but it's the things I'd try if I experienced the problem
[21:59:00] jonK: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[21:59:00] jonK: will it let you in?
[21:59:00] zeal17: yeah, I'm in
[21:59:00] zeal17: let me try something else.....
[22:01:00] jonK: i'm certain i've defined cards that aren't in the box
[22:01:00] jonK: when i define them
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[22:02:00] zeal17: yeah, I can definatly log in to mysql....
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[22:03:00] jonK: as mythtv
[22:03:00] jonK: and you're running mythtv-setup as the user mythtv?
[22:04:00] jonK: did you run setup item 1 to specify the mythtv user passowrd to mythconverg?
[22:04:00] zeal17: yeah, I just double-checked that...
[22:05:00] jonK: sounds like i'm barking up wrong tree...
[22:05:00] zeal17: yeah, when the passwords were wrong it wouldn't even get me to the 1–5 option page, it would just poop out early
[22:05:00] zeal17: hmmm, maybe I just need to take a break for a bit. Thanks for verifying that I am not completly crazy though...=P
[22:06:00] jonK: and even if you do get a "fake" card defined, would that fix your ultimate problem? I really don't know...
[22:07:00] jonK: it was just a thought, but given the cost of a cheap, non hardware tuner card, why not just get one?
[22:07:00] zeal17: I think that mythtv-setup is having problems writing stuff right now....I might have to start over and go through everything with a fine-toothed comb
[22:08:00] zeal17: the cheap card might work, but I don't even have cable right now, so it would be pretty useless...
[22:08:00] zeal17: I have to go, thanks for the help.
[22:09:00] jonK: if it is teh problem and it makes it work, why would you say it's useless...
[22:09:00] jonK: and do you plan on NEVER having cable?
[22:09:00] jonK: I have HD cards in my mythbox, but don't currently have an HDTV
[22:09:00] jonK: but will someday
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[22:20:00] Pendejo: Do you consider it possible to build mythtv on a PII 233 with a Hauppauge PVR 150?
[22:24:00] jonK: backend only? or do you want to use it to also view recordings
[22:26:00] Pendejo: backend only
[22:26:00] jonK: if you'd said otherwise, i would have responded hell no
[22:26:00] jonK: but even for backend only, you might be stretching it
[22:29:00] diamon: Really stretching it.
[22:29:00] diamon: Just handling the data across the PCI bus will take up a lot of the CPU, if not saturating it totally.
[22:30:00] jonK: on the other hand, my series one tivo is a 54 mhz ppc chip with only 16 mb ram
[22:31:00] Pendejo: and as frontend (then I would install the pvr in another pc)
[22:35:00] diamon: jonk: Yeah, but tivo's are dedicated systems, which are VERY different than general-use systems.
[22:38:00] PoonJ: diamon: how much is a tivo system? what is the monthly cost?
[22:38:00] jonK: used series 1 tivo's aren't very expensive anymore
[22:39:00] jonK: the service is 13/month
[22:40:00] PoonJ: how much can it record?
[22:40:00] PoonJ: because...you figure you have to buy a whole computer with TV cards to get myth tv working..
[22:40:00] PoonJ: but I guess mythtv can do a lot more than a tivo
[22:40:00] diamon: It depends on a lot, but basically 40–180 hours depending on the HDD size and the recording quality I think.
[22:40:00] PoonJ: yeah
[22:41:00] diamon: And yes, I prefer my myth system so I can play/store DVD's and VCD's and put/get videos, etc.
[22:41:00] diamon: And the video game emulation stuff too, though I can't seem to get my old roms to work for some reason...
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[22:42:00] jonK: diamon, you can add large drives to a tivo as well
[22:43:00] jonK: mine came with a 30gb drive, I added a 120gb drive
[22:43:00] jonK: (which a couple years ago was pretty large)
[22:43:00] diamon: Yep, but I'm rather enjoying access to my 500Gb fileserver as an extra storage point for my Myth system.  :)
[22:43:00] jonK: that's one of the reasons I've started to migrate
[22:43:00] jonK: plus, mythtv has really matured over the last 2 years.
[22:43:00] diamon: Once I figure out this sound quality problem I have, I can start working on how to burn stuff off to DVD.
[22:43:00] jonK: as it was when I bought the tivo, i think it was the better choice
[22:44:00] jonK: now I think the balance may well have tipped
[22:44:00] diamon: Yeah, since .17 myth has made huge improvements even.
[22:44:00] jonK: especially with the hardware encoder cards and hd cards
[22:44:00] jonK: although I did naively think — gee why am i paying tivo 13 per month
[22:44:00] diamon: Oh yeah. Before then, Myth was nice, and flexible as well, but I think the HD and DVB and hardware-encoder cards have pushed it from 'fun geek trick' to something I'd love to see my mom use.  :)
[22:45:00] jonK: hundreds of dollars later...
[22:46:00] diamon: Eh, I'd say a TiVo a few years ago would have been worth it, but I'm surely wanting to finalize my Myth box to use that instead.
[22:46:00] diamon: It's soooo close to done...
[22:47:00] PoonJ: hey diamon: I went to a channel that isn't getting a signal, but its now "stuck" there when I go to watch live tv
[22:47:00] PoonJ: how can I change it back to something thats working?
[22:49:00] jonK: diamon... me too
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[22:56:00] diamon: poonj: I believe the 'current channel' setting is stored somewhere in the Myth database. You might be able to get it out of there that way, or try using a manual tuning tool to change it from a command-line prompt possibly.
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[22:57:00] omry: hi, anyone knows of a little util that fixes srt subtitles time offset?
[22:57:00] diamon: PoonJ: is it an HD channel?
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[22:59:00] Discipulus: how does MythTV work with things like DirecTV?
[22:59:00] Discipulus: Where's the computer go?
[22:59:00] Discipulus: between the dish and the satellite reciever or between the reciever and the TV?
[22:59:00] dougl: ne1 know how to get a leadtek pvr2000 to work under linux?
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[23:06:00] diamon: No idea on a PVR2000, you'd probably have to do more than a bit of research with the help of the Great Lord Google. Google knows all.
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[23:07:00] dougl: diamon: google know how to point me to alot of confusing stuff in this regard... thanks tho... I will keep looking
[23:08:00] dougl: Discipulus: your svideo out from your direct tv goes to your myth box
[23:08:00] diamon: dougl: Yeah, I know what you mean, I've been concentrating on the WinTV PVR-*50 sets of cards, and even though they're common and well-supported I still spend hours trying to figure out what tuner I should set mine to.
[23:09:00] dougl: Discipulus: you can get special satelite cards that will emulate a direct reciever and your hook your smart card up to your PC as well and your in business.
[23:09:00] diamon: Discipulus: Dougl's comment triggered a memory for me. I think he's correct, and if your reciever has a serial port (aka low-speed data port) you can use that to have your system change channels for you.
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[23:10:00] dougl: diamon: yes your are right on the channel changing... have never done it with direct tho... fortec works like that
[23:11:00] dougl: diamon: are you a linux man?
[23:11:00] diamon: I just remembered running across that in part of my research, figured I'd slip that pointer in, for what it's worth.
[23:11:00] diamon: Yerp.
[23:11:00] diamon: I work with both Linux and WIndows. And Windows-on-Linux (Wine).
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[23:12:00] dougl: diamon: so after your card is recognized you still have more stuff to config?
[23:14:00] diamon: dougl: Yeah, I wanted specific behaviors out of the card, like having it eat all the DVI stuff (closed captioning, etc) and tweaking the sound quality to be as pure as possible. Realistically, my system is done, I just won't leave 'well enough' alone. I always shoot for more perfection. Sometimes, I get it.  :)
[23:15:00] diamon: And of course I'm still trying to see if there's things I can/should/shouldn't do, like mess with my firmware files, or give the card new ROM files, etc.
[23:15:00] diamon: Oddly, there's not many folks here with info today, so it's mostly me learning the hard way and answering what I can as I grumble at a broken firmware I loaded, etc.  :P
[23:19:00] Discipulus: so I could have a box in my living room recording data, and watch whatever it's recording in my room as long as I have a MythTV box in there too?
[23:21:00] dougl: diamon: well if all you wanna do is shoot for perfection... I will give you a shell and you can do it on my box :)
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[23:28:00] diamon: dougl: Perfection is a good goal, and worth striving for, but thankfully I've realized that it's not always possible, but I'll give it a go anyway.  :)
[23:30:00] diamon: dougl: BTW, it really looks like the more recent ivtv drivers should drive your card, though it may need extra options passed to the ivtv module.
[23:31:00] dougl: diamon: I am currently looking for a distro that will support it, ivtv have a howto for mandrake?
[23:34:00] diamon: If you're not picky on distro, I'm using Fedora Core 3. 4 should be similar, but I can't swear to that. There's a good howto for FC3 at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php .
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[23:34:00] diamon: That's what mine is currently running under. Like I said, all I need to do is jigger with the ROM files for the card a bit more and mess about with the sound and I'll be content. It works as-is, but the sound quality isn't quite what I was hoping for yet.
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[23:56:00] mcglothi: has anybody had success using the plextor px-tv402u tuner in .18.1? I keep getting a green screen when I try to view live tv
[23:59:00] stoffel_: mcglothi: did you switch inputs with c? could be it's using the wrong one
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