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Friday, July 8th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] rjune: xris: I like your solution
[00:00:00] CyberKnet: well, I gotta go.
[00:00:00] xris: easier to just get a 480p mpeg stream over firewire from the cable box.
[00:00:00] CyberKnet: later folks.
[00:00:00] xris: rjune: which one?
[00:00:00] jedix: xris: is there nothing I can do to decrypt the digital cable?
[00:01:00] iggy: you can't ask that
[00:01:00] rjune: control the cable box via the myth system
[00:01:00] Beirdo: jedix: correct. there is nothing legal you can do other than use the cable-provider equipment
[00:01:00] rjune: iggy: technically isn't it he can ask, but nobody can really answer
[00:01:00] Beirdo: move along
[00:02:00] xris: jedix: not legally, and afaik, not without a supercomputer if you want to do it realtime.
[00:02:00] rjune: xris: you have other solutions?
[00:02:00] Beirdo: it's called a cable box
[00:02:00] xris: rjune: my solution to what, though? we've been talking javascript and digital cable.
[00:02:00] rjune: oh, the digita cable
[00:02:00] xris: and my sharing code from work to OSS projects.
[00:04:00] tuxristo: xris, so you don't mind if i use this stuff then: http://cooktools.forevermore.net/js/utils.js do you?
[00:04:00] jedix: can I get the hdtv signal out of my digital tuner box over the firewire/sata port?
[00:05:00] xris: tuxristo: it's gpl
[00:05:00] tuxristo: sweet
[00:06:00] xris: I have menu-handling code in there, too.. that's in mythweb, though not used to its full extent.
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[00:07:00] yi__: woot... thanks xris.. that works
[00:07:00] xris: huh? what'd I fix?
[00:08:00] yi__: I mean kormoc :P
[00:08:00] xris: heh. that's what he thought.
[00:08:00] yi__: argh actually this sucks
[00:08:00] xris: had me confused for a sec, though.
[00:08:00] yi__: the game is 3 seconds behind
[00:08:00] kormoc: your welcome yi__.
[00:09:00] yi__: I don't suppose there's a way to make the video stream from the playstation appear immediately on my monitor
[00:09:00] kormoc: not in myth, no
[00:09:00] yi__: outside of myth with cat?
[00:10:00] kormoc: mplayer will play it live
[00:10:00] yi__: sweet!
[00:10:00] yi__: oh you mean mplayer /dev/video
[00:10:00] kormoc: yup
[00:11:00] yi__: heh.. and to think I was dumping it to a file all this time and then playing it
[00:11:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:11:00] xris: well, there's no "immediately"
[00:12:00] xris: always a second or so delay, even on the hardware cards.
[00:12:00] kormoc: well, as live as the card can do
[00:12:00] yi__: finally an emulator that plays games back full speed!
[00:12:00] yi__: heh.. I'm about to find out it's loading
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[00:13:00] yi__: argh that didn't work either
[00:13:00] yi__: I think theres a command for no buffer I'll try that now
[00:14:00] xris: yi__: what kind of card?
[00:14:00] yi__: pvr 150
[00:14:00] xris: and you're trying to play video games through it?
[00:14:00] Mousey: anyone here get static on their PVR-350's Tuner if they use TV-Out framebuffer [ivtv-fb] as an X server? but if they use ivtv-fb without being an xserver [without saa7127, too] the Tuner works fine?
[00:14:00] yi__: yes
[00:14:00] _klasker: then i enter "Video Manager" it doesn't show videos inside subdirs ?
[00:14:00] xris: yi__: won't work. there's always a slight delay in the card.
[00:15:00] yi__: argh... all my plans foiled!!
[00:15:00] iggy: yi__: the card deals with mpeg, so it has to form a complete stream on the card
[00:15:00] xris: yi__: it takes time to encode mpeg
[00:15:00] yi__: I don't supposed you can tell it dump a raw stream
[00:15:00] iggy: get a $20 bttv card
[00:15:00] kormoc: yi__, you could buy a cheap bt card, and use it only for the game, and that way you won't accidently record your video game rather then a tv show.
[00:16:00] tuxristo: xris, you said that the program details page would be a better place to start
[00:16:00] yi__: yeah I might have to do that now
[00:16:00] tuxristo: just to submit without refresh?
[00:16:00] xris: tuxristo: yeah
[00:17:00] tuxristo: or did you have some other functionality in mind for that page?
[00:17:00] xris: nope
[00:17:00] tuxristo: well, as good a place as any to start then, it needs work anyway
[00:17:00] tuxristo: see: http://irstudio.ucalgary.ca/download/snapshot . . . -details.png
[00:17:00] xris: though even that page gets messy for stuff like cancelling, changing to an override, etc
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[00:18:00] yi__: using mplayer -nocache helps slightly but it's still annoying
[00:18:00] tuxristo: xris, notice how the form does not line up properly in my screenshot, making it easy to check the wrong checkbox
[00:18:00] xris: yi__: there's about a second delay in the card itself
[00:19:00] Mousey: guess not
[00:19:00] ** Mousey cries **
[00:19:00] yi__: oh well I I tried and failed... at least I know now :)
[00:19:00] xris: tuxristo: odd. yeah, I had to do some tweaks to get the alignment to look good (tested it with several machines).. seems on yours, it throws it way out of alignment.
[00:19:00] yi__: thanks for your help guys
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[00:21:00] xris: tuxristo: however, I'm aware that most of that stuff needs to be redesigned... pulling together ideas for a framework redesign in the proces of writing that cooktools stuff.
[00:22:00] yi__: what kinda cheap cards do you guys reccommend to play video games on?
[00:22:00] xris: like the database handler routine.
[00:22:00] yi__: bttv?
[00:22:00] xris: yi__: a tv
[00:22:00] yi__: it must have good linux support
[00:22:00] yi__: haha
[00:22:00] yi__: it looks much better on my monitor though :P
[00:22:00] xris: then get a vga adapter for your game system — most have them.
[00:22:00] tuxristo: xris, might have something to do with the fact i use 100dpi fonts
[00:23:00] xris: tuxristo: could be. probably means I need to go in and adjust things in em's, or something
[00:23:00] _klasker: how do i make mythtv able to browse movies that is located in a subdir of the "Videos" dir ?
[00:23:00] dougl: I cannot find a pvr350 in winnipeg... will an ati theater 550 pro work?
[00:24:00] yi__: true I guess a vga adapter would work but then I wouldn't be able to run it through mplayer filters
[00:24:00] kormoc: dougl, it's a software encoder card, other then that, it likly would work, aye. but it'd eat cpus for lunch
[00:25:00] xris: yi__: what filters do you need? the game system shoudl be smart enough to deinterlace on its own, etc.
[00:25:00] dougl: kormoc: ... damn marketing people... says hardware mpeg2 video encode
[00:25:00] xris: otherwise, a bttv card or some other uncompressed type card is really your only option.
[00:26:00] kormoc: dougl, opps, I was worng then
[00:26:00] yi__: its looking pretty sweet with vf=pp=lb
[00:26:00] tuxristo: xris, oh, and a "google suggest" style program search would be absolutely priceless
[00:26:00] yi__: I'll prolly buy another card :P
[00:26:00] xris: tuxristo: maybe.
[00:26:00] yi__: well I dunno yet
[00:26:00] dougl: kormoc: I will call the retailer to make sure
[00:27:00] tuxristo: it'd look cool anyway ;)
[00:27:00] kormoc: dougl, might wanna make sure there's linux drivers for it as well
[00:27:00] dougl: kormoc: thanks
[00:27:00] iggy: dougl: what kormoc just said ;P
[00:28:00] braniff: what ivtv tuner number should i use for the hauppage pvr 150 model 1045 ?? it's not autodetecting
[00:29:00] iggy: they have different tuners
[00:29:00] iggy: you'll have to update your tveeprom module (and probably the tuner module) to get it to autodetect
[00:30:00] braniff: okay
[00:31:00] braniff: hmm...what are the package names for those modules ? apt-get install tuner didnt work
[00:32:00] Beirdo: apt-cache search tuner
[00:32:00] Beirdo: silly
[00:33:00] Beirdo: it's likely something with v4l in it or something
[00:33:00] iggy: apt-get install_it_yourself
[00:33:00] tuxristo: xris, have you seen this :: http://www.francisshanahan.com/zuggest.aspx
[00:33:00] braniff: yeah. i did that but it returned only "perl-Video-frequencies"
[00:33:00] tuxristo: that's more of what i had in mind for the program search in mythtv
[00:34:00] dougl: kormoc: checked ati website... no drivers there... is there anywhere else to look for compatibility with linux?
[00:36:00] tuxristo: search without hitting "search", but a little dropdown that suggests unique program titles "as you type" wouldn't be bad either
[00:38:00] tuxristo: just have to come up with a clever way to handle the fact that there is already a dropdown associated with the search field.
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[00:49:00] abcde: Is it possible to stop SIScan? It automatically added some channels in that I did not want.
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[00:56:00] xris: tuxristo: or redesign the page
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[01:47:00] ignatius: hi – I can't seem to get it to connect to the master-backend database
[01:47:00] ignatius: I'm just running one box
[01:47:00] ignatius: what should I do?
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[01:49:00] ignatius: I tell it the address is "localhost"
[01:49:00] ignatius: user name is mythtv
[01:49:00] ignatius: passwd mythtv
[01:49:00] ignatius: anyone?
[01:56:00] ignatius: ugh
[01:56:00] ignatius: now it doesn't do anything at all :|
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[02:03:00] iznogood: ignatius: look at /etc/mythtv/mysql.conf
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[02:08:00] ignatius: I don't have an /etc/mythtv/mysql.conf
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[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: It's mysql.txt , not .conf
[02:08:00] ignatius: right
[02:08:00] ignatius: I'm in ther enow
[02:08:00] GreyFoxx: and it might be in another location than that
[02:08:00] ignatius: it says dbhostname=localhost
[02:08:00] ignatius: dbusername=mythtv
[02:08:00] ignatius: dbname=mythconverg
[02:09:00] ignatius: dbpassword=<encrypted>
[02:09:00] CyberKnet: that's some kind of encryption hash that changes a password to the text <encrypted>
[02:09:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[02:09:00] ignatius: cvxoujdz
[02:10:00] ignatius: that's "mythtv" crypto'd
[02:10:00] ignatius: ;)
[02:10:00] kormoc: thanks for letting out my secret password!
[02:10:00] ignatius: :)
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: ignatius: change that to mythtv
[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: unless that cx... is actually your password
[02:11:00] ignatius: GreyFoxx: mythtv doesn't like crypto?
[02:11:00] kormoc: if you crypto it
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[02:11:00] kormoc: you'd need to set the mysql password to the crypto one as well
[02:11:00] kormoc: they need to match.
[02:11:00] ignatius: ah
[02:11:00] ignatius: yes
[02:11:00] ignatius: I see, said the blind man
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[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: Then it's hardly encrypted then is it ?:)
[02:12:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, to the casual observer, it still would appear so :P
[02:12:00] GreyFoxx: If what you read IS the password, then it's not encrypted :)
[02:12:00] CyberKnet: how 'bout that.
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[02:12:00] ignatius: yeah
[02:12:00] ignatius: I know about crypto, man
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[02:12:00] kormoc: ooh?
[02:12:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: a man is judged by his actions =)
[02:12:00] ignatius: it's taking forever to load that app now
[02:13:00] ignatius: you guys are being condescending.
[02:13:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: heh. No, just observing =)
[02:13:00] ignatius: see
[02:13:00] ignatius: that's not cool.
[02:14:00] ignatius: saying shit like that is just... wrong. All I'm trying to do is get a little help here is all.
[02:14:00] kormoc: hrm?
[02:14:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: if someone says they know about crypto, but neglect to be able to ascertain if something is encrypted or not when they know what the plaintext is... unless you're using rot26 encryption... =)
[02:14:00] kormoc: I did help you out.
[02:14:00] ignatius: CyberKnet: you're mistaken. I never said I couldn't tell if something was encrypted or not
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[02:14:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: aaah come on. it's just a little fun =)
[02:15:00] ignatius: I put <encrypted> in place of the password when I typed out my mysql.txt file
[02:15:00] ignatius: because I didn't see the point in typing out the hashed passwd
[02:15:00] CyberKnet: get it? rot26 encryption? it was a joke, buddy =)
[02:15:00] ignatius: anyway
[02:15:00] ignatius: now the program is taking forever to load
[02:15:00] ignatius: and when it does come up, it says it still can't connect to the db
[02:15:00] kormoc: ignatius, so you made a mistake and a little fun got poked at ya, tis just all in good fun, nothing to get bent over, CyberKnet's already bent enough :P
[02:16:00] kormoc: ooh?
[02:16:00] kormoc: does it say why?
[02:16:00] ignatius: no it doesn't
[02:16:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: by any chance do you have networking disabled in your mysql.conf?
[02:16:00] kormoc: can you connect to it via the command line?
[02:17:00] ignatius: kormoc: I lack mysql skills – could you please tell me the command I'd use to query the db manually?
[02:17:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I'm not sure who's more anxious to see those cards arrive at your place... me, or you... =P"
[02:17:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, I'd say I am :P
[02:17:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: the binary is 'mysql'
[02:17:00] ignatius: yeah I know
[02:17:00] ** kormoc 's sound issues are driving him batty **
[02:17:00] CyberKnet: mysql -u<username> -p<password> <database>
[02:17:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, and the redhead even battyer :P
[02:17:00] ignatius: but the actual query statement to connect to the db
[02:17:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: just try describe capturecard;
[02:17:00] CyberKnet: that would do it.
[02:18:00] kormoc: ignatius, mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[02:18:00] ignatius: describe capturecard?
[02:18:00] CyberKnet: yes
[02:18:00] CyberKnet: describe capturecard;
[02:18:00] kormoc: at the mysql> prompt
[02:18:00] GreyFoxx: The query statement comes after you are connected, you need the command like that are saying to get there first
[02:18:00] CyberKnet: as long as you are already using the database mythconverg
[02:18:00] kormoc: to make sure your connected.
[02:18:00] ignatius: ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[02:18:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: does the mysql client connect via TCP or domain sockets?
[02:19:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, depends on how you do it
[02:19:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: aah.
[02:19:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, host name uses domain sockets. ip uses tcp/ip
[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: defaults to sockets for local connections
[02:19:00] CyberKnet: ignatius: it would appear that mythtv is not your password perhaps?
[02:19:00] ignatius: okay – how do I change it? just a standard passwd <user>?
[02:20:00] kormoc: nope
[02:20:00] ignatius: this db won't even let me connec to it as root
[02:20:00] ignatius: :|
[02:20:00] kormoc: ahh
[02:20:00] kormoc: you have some really odd mysql issues then
[02:20:00] ignatius: :\
[02:21:00] kormoc: what's your mysql log say?
[02:21:00] GreyFoxx: ignatius: Yet you were able to connect as root in order to create the mythtv user ?
[02:22:00] ignatius: i would connect using #mysql -uroot -prootpass mythconverg, right?
[02:22:00] kormoc: the root pass of the mysql root user, yes
[02:23:00] kormoc: they don't have to be the same as the root user of the computer
[02:23:00] ignatius: oh lol
[02:23:00] ignatius: null password
[02:23:00] ignatius: okay
[02:23:00] ignatius: I'm at an mysql prompt
[02:23:00] ignatius: how do I change the password for mythtv user?
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[02:26:00] ignatius: okay
[02:26:00] ignatius: I just told mythtv to use the root user, null password
[02:26:00] ignatius: since it's a stand-alone system, I don't care
[02:30:00] ignatius: now it says it can't connect to the master backend server
[02:31:00] kormoc: you setup the backend stuff right?
[02:31:00] ignatius: well
[02:31:00] kormoc: i.e. run mythsetup?
[02:31:00] ignatius: mythtv-setup?
[02:31:00] kormoc: sure
[02:31:00] kormoc: (different distros call it differnt things)
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[02:32:00] ignatius: yeah
[02:32:00] ignatius: I set it to localhost in there
[02:33:00] ignatius: if only there were a way to record with tvtime :|
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: Why would you want to do that from within myth ?
[02:35:00] ignatius: I wouldn't
[02:35:00] ignatius: but recording with streamer sucks
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: not knowing what streamer is , I'll just agree with you :)
[02:36:00] ignatius: it's a command line program
[02:37:00] ignatius: all I want to do is manually capture one channel and not have it look like shit
[02:38:00] kormoc: ignatius, you could use mencoder.
[02:38:00] ignatius: yeah
[02:39:00] ignatius: I'm looking for a decent frontend for mencoder
[02:39:00] ignatius: but I can't seem to find one that doesn't suck
[02:39:00] kormoc: your not gonna fine one imho
[02:39:00] ** ignatius nods **
[02:39:00] ignatius: that's what I figured
[02:39:00] kormoc: myth is overkill for what you want
[02:39:00] ignatius: I know it is
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: what kind of capture card do you have ?
[02:40:00] ignatius: cx88 ati tv wonder pro
[02:41:00] GreyFoxx: ahh, I was gonna say if it was one of the pvrxxx cards it wouldn't be too hard since you can just set the channel and then cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[02:41:00] epoch: has anyone seen pvr350 being choppy?
[02:41:00] ** GreyFoxx removes a few items from his ever growing todo list :) **
[02:41:00] epoch: like, video freezes up for about half a second every 2 seconds or so
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[02:43:00] ignatius: yeah
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[02:43:00] ignatius: pvrs are nice
[02:43:00] ignatius: but meh
[02:43:00] kormoc: epoch, sounds like a intrupt issue or similar, have you tried changing your pci latency?
[02:44:00] epoch: kormoc: how do I go about doing that?
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[02:45:00] Holzi: Hello out there! Does anyone has mythmusic working with lcdproc?
[02:45:00] kormoc: epoch, it's in your bios somewhere, I'd set it to 64 from 32 or 128 from 64, I wouldn't go higher then 128 tho, and it might not help at all.
[02:46:00] epoch: kormoc: ah ok... I'll give that a shot
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[02:55:00] defaultro: hey guys, anyone here uses mythvideo to play .iso images?
[02:55:00] MonMotha: hum, what have people's luck been with commercial flagging on hi-def, especially barn-doored content? It seems to flag pretty well on standard def stuff, but hi-def seems to get things pretty wrong
[02:55:00] defaultro: Coz I have one small issue, no sound :) I need to tell xine to use ALSA:digital
[02:58:00] epoch: kormoc: I didn't see any way to change pci latency
[02:58:00] epoch: kormoc: I did see "pci delay transaction" which was enabled
[02:58:00] kormoc: some mobo's don't have that option, alas
[02:58:00] epoch: so I disabled that — about to see if that's made a difference
[02:59:00] ** kormoc nods **
[03:00:00] epoch: sigh
[03:00:00] epoch: nothing
[03:00:00] kormoc: anything in dmesg?
[03:00:00] epoch: I did see "memory turbo mode" which might have something to do with it
[03:00:00] epoch: it was disabled
[03:01:00] mchou: hey you guys hear about the leap second that's going to be added at end of 2005? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php? . . . urceCode=RSS
[03:02:00] mchou: wonder how NTP is going to deal with that.......
[03:05:00] mchou: Hey. It's starting to look like Karl Rove is the leak for Valerie Plame.
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[03:07:00] epoch: hahaha
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[03:08:00] kormoc: hehe
[03:08:00] epoch: kormoc: well my box just locked up hard :)
[03:08:00] epoch: haha
[03:08:00] epoch: that was cool
[03:08:00] kormoc: epoch, aww :/
[03:08:00] epoch: I did, howeve,r take a closer look at my bios
[03:08:00] kormoc: well, I'm gonna head home now
[03:08:00] epoch: and it seems I'm blind
[03:08:00] kormoc: yeah?
[03:08:00] epoch: cuz there was a pci latency bit
[03:08:00] kormoc: :P
[03:08:00] epoch: so I'm gonna see what that does
[03:08:00] epoch: heh
[03:08:00] kormoc: kk
[03:08:00] kormoc: g'luck with it!
[03:08:00] epoch: thanks :)
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[03:11:00] epoch: doh.
[03:12:00] epoch: changing pci latency to 64 made no difference
[03:12:00] epoch: guess I'll try 128
[03:13:00] epoch: whoa, this is weird
[03:14:00] epoch: watching tv has no choppiness
[03:14:00] epoch: only on recordings
[03:14:00] _klasker: can someone tell me how i get the video plugin to work with subdirs in the "default video folder", when i run Video manager non of the videos contained by a subdir appears on the list ?
[03:15:00] _klasker: doesn't appaer*
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[03:19:00] defaultro: anyone here uses xine within mythtv? :)
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[03:44:00] dhofstra: I use xine within mythtv defaultro.. (at least for DVD viewing and other videos)
[03:45:00] MonMotha: hum, for some reason it seems to be aborting recordings right in the middle of a show
[03:48:00] dougl: would a pvr2000 work with mythtv?
[03:48:00] defaultro: hey dhofstra, I just fixed it :)
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[03:49:00] defaultro: dhofstra, the audio is fixed. It's using the digital now. Only problem is LIRC
[03:49:00] dhofstra: I had to use the keymap editor in xine to make things work properly
[03:50:00] dhofstra: that way all my keys seem to do the same things as they do in myth
[03:50:00] dhofstra: the keymap editor is awesome, and I wish mythtv could implement something similar
[03:50:00] defaultro: so that keymap is in xine itself?
[03:50:00] defaultro: oh, the new mythtv has a key editor now
[03:50:00] defaultro: i'm using the latest svn of myth
[03:51:00] defaultro: question about xine and keymap
[03:51:00] defaultro: so there is a keymap built in?
[03:55:00] iggy: anybody got quick pointers where to check to see why mythfilldatabase+datadirect is going nutso?
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[03:58:00] iggy: zap2it fscked up my lineups
[04:12:00] MonMotha: dougl: what is a pvr2000?
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[04:15:00] [M-M]: 8 pvr250's ?  :)
[04:17:00] dhofstra: defaultro yes, xine has it's own keymap file it is editable in ~/.xine/keymap or something like that. you can pick your keys by grabbing with the gui keymap editor found by right clicking the xine window and in one of the menus
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[04:22:00] abarbaccia: hello all – anybody here with an ubuntu setup want to look over my guide please do! Hopefully it'll be of some use www.abarbaccia.com
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[04:29:00] mjman: Hi, I am having an issue with watching Live-TV in mythTV. I am using the Hauppauge PVR-350 card. I have installed ivtv, and set it up properly (I think). This can be confirmed by mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0, which produces a good video. However, when I try to watch TV within MythTV, I get a "prebuffering pause" error on the console, and livetv freezes after about 5 seconds. I have to do a killall mythfrontend to stop the program, a
[04:29:00] mjman: s it becomes unresponsive. Any help is much appreciated.
[04:35:00] __Ace__: where do I put the xvid movies and how to make mythtv find and play them?
[04:35:00] mchou: mjman: mythtv was never meant for watching live tv.
[04:36:00] abarbaccia: mjman, make sure your directory is writeable where the TV buffer is
[04:36:00] abarbaccia: mjman, i had the same problem at one point
[04:36:00] __Ace__: I tried in myth/videos, but no luck
[04:37:00] mjman: abarbaccia, i'll check
[04:37:00] __Ace__: anyone?
[04:37:00] abarbaccia: __Ace__, you need mythvideo to play them
[04:37:00] mjman: __Ace__, the directory is whatever you have set in media settings --> video settings --> general settings --> 'directory that holds videos'
[04:37:00] abarbaccia: and go into the manager to import them
[04:38:00] __Ace__: ah
[04:38:00] __Ace__: hmm, I installed knoppmyth.. is mythvideo installed with that?
[04:41:00] mjman: abarbaccia, i did a chmod a+rwx on the directory that holds the live buffer, and the error persists
[04:43:00] mchou: mjman: I highhly doubt it is a file permission error.
[04:44:00] mjman: hm
[04:44:00] mjman: actually i think it may be
[04:44:00] mjman: oh wait no
[04:44:00] mjman: nevermind
[04:46:00] mjman: mchou do you have an idea of what the problem might be?
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[04:56:00] Rhapsody2: the atrpms-kickstart-25–1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm package is no longer available, it worked yesterday and the new version 26 complains about dependencies
[04:56:00] __Ace__: still not showing up anything when I go to the "Watch Videos"
[04:57:00] Atamido: Is there a guide on how to auto-convert TV shows to MPEG-4 to take up less space automatically?
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: Yay, fixed one bug in mythgame while I was in the middle of fixing another heh
[05:00:00] abarbaccia: mjman, actually come to think of it – do a modprobe ivtv
[05:00:00] abarbaccia: then try again
[05:00:00] MonMotha: Atamido: in the recording profile for your hardware encoder, set "Automatically transcode after recording", then configure your transcoding settings
[05:01:00] Atamido: MonMotha: Gracias.
[05:01:00] Atamido: Atamido: Take note of that.
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[05:03:00] mjman: abarbaccia, the ivtv module is already loaded. I can get a video stream from /dev/video0 and play it through mplayer. It just breaks when I play it through myth
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[05:05:00] iggy: mjman: is the livetv buffer on nfs?
[05:05:00] mjman: nope, it's local
[05:06:00] abarbaccia: mjman, well, i'm out of ideas – i know i had the same problem and it was either the permissions, or that ivtv wasnt loaded correctly and myth got hung up – try removing ivtv then modprobe again and see what you get
[05:06:00] mjman: ok, well thanks for your help
[05:09:00] mjman: the funny thing is that it was working when i first installed the ivtv packages. However, after a reboot, it stopped working
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[05:10:00] jams: mjman, are you doing the mplayer test as your mythtv user?
[05:11:00] abarbaccia: mjman, im telling you its because ivtv isnt loaded correctly -
[05:11:00] abarbaccia: mjman, i had the same problem – do you have lirc installed as well?
[05:11:00] mjman: jams, yes i am.
[05:11:00] mjman: abarbaccia, yes i have lirc installed
[05:12:00] abarbaccia: mjman, try one thing for me- where you added the lines to modprobe lirc_i2c and all that jazz – and the stuff with ivtv – just have only one line to modprobe and thats lirc_i2c – it'll drag in ivtv with it
[05:12:00] abarbaccia: then reboot and tell me what you get
[05:12:00] defaultro: hey guys, need your help. I couldn't remember the command line utility that captures the screen to either a jpg or png.
[05:13:00] mjman: so just this line: install lirc_i2c /sbin/modprobe ivtv; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install lirc_i2c ?
[05:15:00] mchou: mjman: it could be ivtv driver or mythtv.
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[05:17:00] joevslc: evening
[05:17:00] joevslc: i had my system down a few days will debugging an x server problem
[05:17:00] mjman: abarbaccia, ivtv and lirc are not getting loaded by that line. when I boot up, they are not automatically loaded.
[05:17:00] joevslc: tonight i went to watch some recordings and found no sound
[05:18:00] joevslc: none of my settings in myth changed
[05:18:00] joevslc: i can play mp3 from my mp3 player
[05:18:00] joevslc: it seems to be only with myth
[05:18:00] joevslc: i tried cycling through auido channels
[05:19:00] joevslc: and switching to live tv and changing channels
[05:19:00] joevslc: and i get no sound
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[05:19:00] rtsai: mp3 player uses same audio as mythtv (oss vs alsa vs arts etc.)?
[05:19:00] joevslc: even on shows that i have watched before that i know have sound
[05:19:00] joevslc: any ideas?
[05:20:00] rtsai: which mp3 player program is this?
[05:20:00] joevslc: from kde
[05:20:00] joevslc: using alsa through spdif
[05:20:00] joevslc: noy myth music
[05:20:00] joevslc: not
[05:20:00] joevslc: hi rtsai
[05:21:00] rtsai: right mplayer, mpg123, etc.?
[05:21:00] rtsai: if mplayer can play your MP3s, that implies mplayer should also successfuly play your .nuv files?
[05:22:00] joevslc: JuK
[05:22:00] joevslc: not sure how to play mp3 in mplayer
[05:23:00] joevslc: video is fine it's just audio
[05:23:00] joevslc: everything was working fine
[05:23:00] rtsai: (just do mplayer foo.mp3)
[05:23:00] joevslc: till i tried to set up my card for monitor and projector
[05:23:00] rtsai: anyway, on my system, I have to do the following on most boots:
[05:23:00] rtsai: amixer set 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' 3
[05:23:00] rtsai: amixer set 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' 0
[05:24:00] rtsai: (first with "3", then with "0")
[05:24:00] rtsai: i don't have any other tricks for flaky audio :P
[05:24:00] joevslc: brb, i'm gonna try an mp3 through mplayer
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[05:28:00] joevslc: now i lost any audio i did have
[05:29:00] joevslc: doing reboot
[05:29:00] joevslc: rtsai are you using alsa or oss?
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[05:32:00] rtsai: oss
[05:33:00] kusznir: hello: I'm trying to figure out how to use the myth dvd ripping interface. I have the window with all the options for each track listed, and I have checked the "selected" box for the track containing the program. However, at the bottom, it says "0 Process selected title". How do I select it?
[05:33:00] kusznir: Or start the ripping?
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[05:38:00] joevslc: seems like my sound is doa, gonna work on it
[05:39:00] joevslc: thanks for the info
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[05:42:00] kusznir: Can anyone guide me in how to rip a DVD with mythDVD?
[05:43:00] kusznir: I mean, after I put in a disk and select "rip DVD" from the "Optical disks" menu.
[05:43:00] Rhapsody2: does any1 know where i can get a copy of http://atrpms.net/dist/fc3/atrpms-kickstart/a . . . at.i386.rpm?
[05:43:00] Rhapsody2: atrpms-kickstart-25–1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm*
[05:43:00] mjman: ahhh i fixed it! abarbaccia, you were right. When i started loading the module early in bootup, it started to work. thanks for your help!
[05:44:00] iggy: mjman: there's a sysctl setting that's discussed in the ivtv ml archives that may help you
[05:45:00] defaultro: hey guys, is this the latest xine website? http://xinehq.de/
[05:50:00] mjman: iggy, do you mean ivtvctl?
[05:51:00] iggy: no, sysctl
[05:51:00] mjman: ok
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[06:18:00] Gumby: does anyone know how to find out what type of encoding a video is using?
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[06:30:00] HRearden: gumby, if you have transcode installed, try tcprobe -i <filename>
[06:31:00] HRearden: anyone else out there using an EPIA with hardware decoding? I'm running CVS as of two days ago and my TV appears in a bordered window, although menus do not. All offsets in menus set to 0's.
[06:32:00] Gumby: HRearden: thank you
[06:33:00] Gumby: hrm, any way to convert an asf mpg to vcd?
[06:35:00] HRearden: mencoder (comes with mplayer) will likely be able to do it.
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[06:37:00] k-man: hello
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[07:05:00] defaultro: anyone knows when 0.18.2 will be out?
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[07:12:00] winga: can anyone tell my why my colors are all crazy when i use svideo to a tv?
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[07:16:00] MonMotha: winga: wrong TV norm (NTSC/PAL)?
[07:17:00] winga: MonMotha, i don't believe so, I see the picture, the colors are just jacked
[07:17:00] winga: let me try though
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[07:19:00] MonMotha: TV norm can do that with some TVs
[07:19:00] MonMotha: have you tried composite?
[07:20:00] winga: not yet, didn't want to resort to that
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[07:20:00] winga: i could though
[07:20:00] MonMotha: well, just to check things out
[07:20:00] winga: yeah
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[07:27:00] k-man: Agrajag-, you awake?
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[07:29:00] Agrajag-: yep
[07:31:00] defaultro: hey Agrajag
[07:31:00] defaultro: do you use mythvideo?
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[07:46:00] Gumby: does anyone here have any idea how I might convert .asf to vcd ?
[07:49:00] Agrajag-: defaultro: yeah
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[08:03:00] stang: Anyone have any suggestions to get rid of a grainy live tv picture (haven't tried a recording yet)? I'm using a 500mce and running @ 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD monitor.
[08:04:00] MonMotha: "grainy"?
[08:04:00] MonMotha: realize that you're getting (at best) 720x480 worth of useful picture, so it's not going to look great
[08:05:00] stang: Yeah, looks like I'm loosing a lot of colors when compared to an old TV set
[08:06:00] stang: I straightened out my video card driver issues but feel like the picture should look a little better
[08:06:00] stang: i didn't know if there were any filters to use or if I should turn off the deinterlace
[08:06:00] MonMotha: TVs are a lot brighter than most computer monitors (too bright), especially LCDs, so you will lose some apparent contrast
[08:07:00] MonMotha: have you played with the recording picture controls (don't remember the hotkey, but playback time is adjustable with the 'f' key)
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[08:07:00] stang: F isn't working for me
[08:07:00] stang: while watching live tv
[08:07:00] stang: G works, but that's for recordings I guess
[08:08:00] MonMotha: f and g should do the same thing, just one being recordingtmie and the other playback time
[08:08:00] MonMotha: I dunno all the hotkeys (they're rather random). There's a guide on the mythtv site
[08:08:00] stang: yeah, and that guide says it's the f key, not sure why it's not working...
[08:09:00] stang: but you think the stuff on that menu would do me some good?
[08:09:00] k-man: Agrajag-, hows your mythbox going?
[08:09:00] MonMotha: It could
[08:09:00] k-man: anything new?
[08:09:00] k-man: i'm still waiting on my hardware to come in
[08:09:00] k-man: god its taking ages
[08:09:00] MonMotha: TV tuners in general don't look as good as a real TV at first glance
[08:09:00] Agrajag-: k-man: nup. it's fine the way it is :)
[08:10:00] k-man: *sigh*
[08:10:00] Agrajag-: where'd you end up getting stuff from?
[08:10:00] MonMotha: most TVs come very, very bright, with their color temp way too high, and the contrast cranked
[08:10:00] MonMotha: this makes it look "better" to most people, though hardly realistic
[08:10:00] stang: I see, I just feel like it is loosing a lot of detail
[08:10:00] MonMotha: losing...with one o
[08:10:00] MonMotha: pet peave of mine...
[08:11:00] stang: and then on solid colors, it looks very pixelated
[08:11:00] MonMotha: that's MPEG for you
[08:11:00] stang: that explains it
[08:11:00] MonMotha: realize that the video you're watching is basically half the resolution of your monitor
[08:11:00] MonMotha: plus it's lossily encoded
[08:12:00] stang: yeah, i noticed that in the channel guide, the smaller preview screen looks pretty much perfect
[08:12:00] defaultro: Agrajag?
[08:12:00] k-man: Agrajag-, um, a friend of mine who does some reselling
[08:12:00] k-man: only he's very slow
[08:12:00] defaultro: I have a question regarding movie posters. How do I generate one?
[08:13:00] MonMotha: stang: then you just need to sit back further :)
[08:13:00] stang: MonMotha, yeah, that works too :-)
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: defaultro: generate one yourself? or get one from imdb?
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: i just get mine from imdb
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: (well myth does for me)
[08:15:00] defaultro: form imdb?
[08:16:00] defaultro: from imdb i mean :)
[08:16:00] defaultro: so what is the first thing I need to do so it downloads the jpg?
[08:16:00] defaultro: I'm very new with mythvideo :)
[08:17:00] defaultro: I do see the perl script in settings table. it's defined there
[08:17:00] Agrajag-: go to your video setup thing
[08:18:00] Agrajag-: can't remember exactly what it's called
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[08:18:00] Agrajag-: when you select a video, you should have an option for IMDB or something
[08:18:00] Agrajag-: select that.. it'll take a while
[08:19:00] Agrajag-: should get the description, rating, poster etc. for you
[08:19:00] defaultro: i don't have it
[08:19:00] defaultro: is it because it's an .iso file?
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[08:22:00] djperegrine: I have a radeon 7500 and I want to use the tv-out but when x-windows starts it just flickers.
[08:23:00] Agrajag-: defaultro: as in the .iso file isn't in your list? yeah.. that'd be why
[08:23:00] Agrajag-: you can set extensions to display
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[08:24:00] defaultro: i can play .iso file in mythvideo
[08:24:00] defaultro: i just don't see some information about the movie
[08:24:00] defaultro: such as, not seeing the poster
[08:27:00] defaultro: i found it
[08:27:00] defaultro: i have to go to video manager. It worked for my Matrix.ISO but not for JurassicPark1.ISO
[08:27:00] stang: MonMotha, messed w/ some settings and restarted mythfrontend and F started working, it helped a lot! Thanks for the suggestion!
[08:28:00] defaultro: could the imdb feature within myth relies on the spelling of the filename
[08:28:00] stang: Now I guess I have the fake tv picture :-)
[08:28:00] MonMotha: let me guess, you turned up the contrast?
[08:28:00] MonMotha: and maybe saturation
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[08:29:00] stang: Yeah, contrast just a little bit, brightness is what did it for me
[08:30:00] stang: turning up brightness just a few notches really made the picture a lot better in my eyes
[08:30:00] MonMotha: ah, that'll do it too
[08:30:00] MonMotha: you might also want to make sure your monitor is set correctly
[08:31:00] MonMotha: there's a website that has test patterns for setting gamma, contrast, and brightness
[08:31:00] stang: Yeah, I just got it a day or 2 ago and it does need some adjusting
[08:31:00] stang: I'll google around for it
[08:31:00] MonMotha: oh yeah, they come pretty ugly usually
[08:31:00] MonMotha: first hint: set your color temp to 6500k
[08:32:00] stang: really?? I was @ 7800k
[08:32:00] stang: it looks brownish
[08:32:00] stang: @ 6500k
[08:32:00] MonMotha: it will until you get used to it
[08:33:00] MonMotha: most default to 9300k, which is waaaaay wrong
[08:33:00] MonMotha: 7800 is at least reasonable
[08:33:00] stang: yeah, 9300k is how it came and it looked like someone was holding a blue sheet in front of the screen
[08:33:00] MonMotha: yup
[08:33:00] MonMotha: way too blue
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[08:43:00] HankH: anyone having problems with mythtv causing Xfree86 to "freeze" (99% CPU with nothing happening)
[08:44:00] travolta: nope
[08:44:00] HankH: it worked great for like 2 years....then all of a sudden this started happening
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[08:50:00] djperegrine: my machine is quite loud
[08:50:00] djperegrine: what fan do you guys recommend ?
[08:51:00] HankH: a big one
[08:51:00] HankH: 120 MM or soemthing
[08:51:00] HankH: CPU or case fan?
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[09:01:00] mchou: we recommend an a64 processor :)
[09:02:00] Chutt: so many crap issues already
[09:03:00] mchou: Chutt: huh???
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[09:06:00] Chutt: in trac
[09:06:00] Chutt: some guy's submitting useless and/or broken patches
[09:07:00] Chutt: other items make no sense
[09:09:00] mchou: oh, ok.
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[09:11:00] Chutt: The DVb Code shoul support that you could Record a program and view a other when they are on the same Transponder. This might be need much changes, also in The Record Planing
[09:11:00] Chutt: that's my favorite so far
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[09:20:00] abcde: Is it possible to specify a web address for channel icons?
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[09:26:00] HankH: you'd think there would exist some kind of virtual filesystem for web stuff
[09:27:00] Chutt: would you really want to be hitting a website every time you went into the program guide?
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[09:31:00] defaultro: Hi Chutt. Do you know when subtitles will be available in HD channels in US?
[09:33:00] Chutt: when someone writes support for them
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[11:59:00] Holzi: Hello, does anyone have mythmusic working with lcdproc?
[12:00:00] Holzi: my LCD-Display shows everything fine but mythmusic... is this normal? I have Mythtv 0.18.1?
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[12:02:00] Holzi: ok. I have mythtv 0.18.1.
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[12:06:00] Holzi: I installed the mythtv-binarys from here "h**p://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/apt/" on my Suse 9.2
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[14:39:00] abcde: Does MythTV support VBI (Teletext/CC/Subtitles) for DVB cards?
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[15:28:00] mchou: wow, frys is finally offering more socket 939 CPU/Mobo combos than 754.....
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[15:54:00] adante: what versions of mythtv correspond to protocol versions 13 and 15?
[15:55:00] adante: i'm somewhat baffled because i have a frontend build of 0.18.1.20050510–1 and a backend build of exactly the same on another machine, but it says there's a protocol version mismatch (frontend=15, backend=13)
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[16:03:00] defaultro: hey mchou
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[16:06:00] mchou: hey defaultro
[16:07:00] laga: hey all
[16:07:00] mchou: hehey
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[16:16:00] iggy: adante: you did restart the other backend after you installed the new version right?
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[16:20:00] adante: iggy: well no, the backend hasn't been upgraded in the past 3–4 months, i just installed a second frontend on a new machine
[16:21:00] iggy: was just a thought
[16:21:00] adante: i welcome all thoughts, i'm completely baffled
[16:22:00] adante: i'll sleep on it anyway :]
[16:25:00] Beirdo: you need to upgrade the backend as well as the frontend, obviously they aren't matching :)
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[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: Some fool from china is try ing a bruteforce account/password attack on my machine
[17:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:54:00] Beirdo: they try daily
[17:55:00] stoffel: isn't that a worm?
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[17:56:00] Beirdo: likely
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't seen one in a while on that system
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: oh well, his network is blocked now
[17:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:57:00] Beirdo: welcome to the firewall, fucktard
[17:57:00] GreyFoxx: pretty much :)
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[17:58:00] Beirdo: so how soon can I run puzzlepirates from the new and improved mythgame?
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[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: I would assume you could right now
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: Assuming there is a commandline to run it, just enter it as a PC game and give the commandline :)
[17:59:00] Beirdo: yeah, but not as nicely :)
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[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: not as nicely as what ?
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: I've been checking in my stuff to svn for days :)
[18:00:00] Beirdo: as what I'm at... I haven't had time to switch to SVN
[18:00:00] Beirdo: I'm at the last CVS...
[18:01:00] tuxristo: xris, I have pretty much finished the "delete without page refresh" code :D
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: bah, takes 60 seconds to switch ;P
[18:02:00] GreyFoxx: not counting compile times of course :)
[18:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:02:00] Beirdo: well, not quite
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[18:02:00] Beirdo: it would take about 10 min
[18:02:00] Beirdo: plus compile
[18:02:00] Beirdo: I'll try to get to it this weekend
[18:03:00] Beirdo: I have a toplevel makefile that I use to build (above mythtv and mythplugins) as I got tired of remembering stuff
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[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: I just use a couple environment variables I set in my shell :) ./configure $MYTHTV_OPTS and ./configure $MYTHPLUGIN_OPTS
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[18:06:00] Beirdo: heh, well, my makefile includes the cvs update, checking for conflicts, etc
[18:06:00] Beirdo: I'll have to rework it for svn, but it won't take much
[18:06:00] Tommck: I'm using nuvexport to do a mpeg2cut on one hour-long show... it has said "Cutting out commercials with avidemux2" for 3 hours and 45 minutes of CPU time so far :) Anyone know why?
[18:07:00] Beirdo: and stopping/restarting the backend, etc
[18:07:00] Beirdo: Tommck: because your avidemux is busted
[18:07:00] Tommck: :)
[18:07:00] Tommck: is there a particular version I should be using?
[18:07:00] Beirdo: most testing was done with 2.0.28 and 2.0.32
[18:08:00] Tommck: Beirdo – ahh.. cool.. thanks.
[18:08:00] Beirdo: Lord knows what they've borked since then
[18:09:00] Beirdo: lunch time....
[18:09:00] Tommck: I was using 2.0.42
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[18:11:00] Tommck: Beirdo – could not being able to open the display from GDK have borked avidemux?
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[18:12:00] b0o: Does anyone know of a good review on mythtv hardware?
[18:12:00] b0o: I'm looking to build a small/quiet box for capture & then dvd burn
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[18:14:00] xris: b0o: not really...
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[18:17:00] tuxristo: xris, i sent you two patches just a minute ago
[18:18:00] tuxristo: they are also available at: http://irstudio.ucalgary.ca/download/mythweb- . . . rams.diff.gz
[18:18:00] tuxristo: and http://irstudio.ucalgary.ca/download/mythweb-js-utils.diff.gz
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[18:19:00] xris: tuxristo: got them
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[18:38:00] ZMorek: anyone else have issues on the hauppauge 250 with intermittent changes of brightness?
[18:39:00] zuralin: nope
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[18:42:00] ZMorek: I get the sense there's either something misconfigured, or there's something up with ivtv, but I can't find anything about it anywhere
[18:43:00] ZMorek: I followed the wilsonet guide pretty much to a t
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[18:44:00] zuralin: what version of ivtv?
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[18:45:00] ZMorek: gimme a sec... I'll check
[18:46:00] zuralin: .0.2.x or .0.3.x?
[18:49:00] ZMorek: uhm... not to sound like a newbie, but how do I check apt for what version of ivtv is installed
[18:49:00] zuralin: you installed ivtv via apt?
[18:49:00] kormoc: most likly then you are using the .0.2.x
[18:50:00] ZMorek: it's from atrpms
[18:51:00] ZMorek: whatever is installed with "apt-get install ivtv"
[18:51:00] Beirdo: apt-cache policy ivtv
[18:52:00] ZMorek: 0.3.3g-80.rhfc3.at
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[18:53:00] Beirdo: get a real nick, root__
[18:53:00] root__: omfg thanks
[18:53:00] root__: I-ll be back
[18:53:00] root__: &quit
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[18:54:00] tux_mike: hey, does anyone here by any chance know of an mpeg4 encoder that can encode video off of video files or digital streams?
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[18:55:00] satch: hi, everybody
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[18:56:00] Beirdo: that's better :)
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[18:56:00] satch: i've been googling for info, without success. My mythtv interface appears on top of tv screen but tv image is centered
[18:56:00] satch: i use a pvr-350, with tv-out to a scart connector
[18:57:00] satch: i have been without using irc about 3 years...wow
[18:57:00] epoch: satch: mythtv lets you reposition mythfrontend... have you tried that?
[18:57:00] epoch: like, in the setup spot
[18:57:00] satch: i've checked setup options .. is the offset part?
[18:57:00] ** epoch <- has been using irc about 12 years ;/ **
[18:58:00] epoch: yeah, that's what you want
[18:58:00] epoch: I have to set offsets with my pvr350's tv-out
[18:58:00] satch: so it's basically trial and error
[18:58:00] epoch: yeah ;/
[18:58:00] epoch: it takes effect after you exit the setup menu
[18:58:00] epoch: so it's not *too* bad
[18:58:00] epoch: but it'd be much nicer if it was interactive
[18:59:00] epoch: though, you only really need to do it once
[18:59:00] satch: yeah, that would be great
[18:59:00] epoch: also, be sure to write down the values once you get it just right
[18:59:00] epoch: it's super-frustrating when you have to restart from scratch ;)
[18:59:00] ** epoch <- did that **
[18:59:00] ** epoch <- still hasnt' gotten it perfect again **
[19:00:00] satch: I have to check too steps to improve image quiality, I checked use pvr-350 decoder but it seems it's not using it
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[19:01:00] Beirdo: my frigging home network is having packetloss to the world.
[19:01:00] Beirdo: Woot!
[19:01:00] satch: wow
[19:01:00] Beirdo: I'm gonna have to bitch out my ISP soon
[19:01:00] satch: offset options appear only during mythtv setup or they too appear in regular menus?
[19:02:00] satch: oh,,, apperance menu
[19:02:00] satch: tv settings seemed a clear choice
[19:03:00] epoch: heh
[19:03:00] epoch: yeah, sorry shoulda specified
[19:03:00] Beirdo: yup, my ISP is flapping in the breeze
[19:03:00] Beirdo: well done, assmasters
[19:03:00] epoch: Beirdo: who's your ISP?
[19:03:00] Beirdo: Magma
[19:03:00] Beirdo: go down and kick their asses for me. :)
[19:04:00] epoch: hahaha
[19:04:00] epoch: I <3 magma
[19:04:00] Beirdo: 300ms ping times (when it works) from my linode
[19:04:00] Beirdo: they are having serious issues today
[19:04:00] epoch: used to know all their support guys back in the day
[19:04:00] epoch: but they got bought by primus, so who knows
[19:04:00] epoch: sure it's not a Bell DSL thing?
[19:04:00] Beirdo: I used to call and ask for the bosses back in the day
[19:04:00] Beirdo: it's not a Bell thing
[19:05:00] epoch: ah
[19:05:00] Beirdo: it's in the Magma switches
[19:05:00] Beirdo: the connection to Bellnexxia is 46ms RTT
[19:05:00] Beirdo: the gateway2-vlan95.magma.ca 312ms
[19:05:00] Beirdo: their stuff is wedging :)
[19:06:00] epoch: hot
[19:06:00] Beirdo: yeah, it was fun calling up and asking for Randy or A.J.
[19:06:00] satch: there is a black band bellow regular X interface, and mythtv appears inside that virtual square
[19:06:00] Beirdo: those were the days
[19:06:00] epoch: heh
[19:06:00] Beirdo: did IT for a customer of theirs that was just around the corner from them
[19:06:00] epoch: AJ was cool
[19:06:00] Beirdo: Yup
[19:06:00] epoch: heh
[19:07:00] Beirdo: ahhh, back to the normal 63ms
[19:07:00] Beirdo: they fixed it... for now
[19:07:00] epoch: I worked for an IT outsourcing firm that managed its' customers' magma accounts
[19:07:00] GreyFoxx: Would it not make sense in MythGame to have your Favourites list at the top rather than at the bottom of the list?
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[19:07:00] epoch: and we were the largest single customer of magma's for a while ;)
[19:07:00] epoch: that was rad
[19:07:00] Beirdo: when we switched from BRI to DSL, I got to do all the negotiation, etc
[19:07:00] epoch: I had some mad clout
[19:07:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:08:00] Beirdo: since Primus, their quality has started to suck a bit
[19:08:00] epoch: yep
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[19:08:00] Beirdo: I pulled my colo as they were being dicks and wouldn't help me fix a problem. I'm in Toronto now.
[19:09:00] epoch: your colo's in toronto, or you are?
[19:09:00] Beirdo: there's $300/month they won't be getting again
[19:09:00] Beirdo: I am
[19:09:00] epoch: oh
[19:09:00] Beirdo: my colo was in Ottawa still
[19:09:00] epoch: I thought you were in montreal
[19:09:00] Beirdo: nah
[19:09:00] Beirdo: I'm at the center of the universe
[19:09:00] epoch: hahahaha
[19:09:00] epoch: WRONG
[19:09:00] epoch: ;)
[19:09:00] Beirdo: I'd rather be back in Ottawa
[19:10:00] epoch: this box is a colo
[19:10:00] epoch: $25/mo
[19:10:00] epoch: 100mbit fibre, unlimited b/w
[19:10:00] satch: epoch do you share X windows resolution with GUI width and height? like 720x576 or similar?
[19:10:00] epoch: it makes me so happy
[19:10:00] Beirdo: that's a managed server then, not a colo, right?
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[19:14:00] satch: it seems to be related to X configuration,as band appears with knoppmyth X windows
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[19:19:00] hadees: anyone know any good software that helps orginize a music collection? i am not talking about displaying software, something that helps orginize the folders and possible the tag information
[19:19:00] Tommck: hey Beirdo – how long do you think mpeg2cut should take on a 1 hour show on a P4 3.2 ? (just a ballpark?)
[19:20:00] satch: i'll try to fix it, thanks
[19:20:00] satch: bye
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[19:21:00] Tommck: anyone else know how long mpeg2cut should take?
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[19:25:00] Beirdo: Tommck: about 5min or so
[19:26:00] Tommck: hmm... ok... definitely going to try to downgrade :)
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[19:28:00] ** KarlosII thinks soourforge search function sucks **
[19:28:00] Beirdo: I'm sure they look forward to your patches
[19:28:00] KarlosII: :p
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[19:28:00] KarlosII: can't patch yahoo
[19:29:00] ** Beirdo is falling asleep... come on coffee, kick in! **
[19:29:00] KarlosII: no matter what I search for the freaking search hangs
[19:29:00] KarlosII: lol
[19:29:00] Beirdo: it's all Theo the Rat's fault somehow
[19:29:00] KarlosII: :/
[19:29:00] rjune_: Beirdo: is that the correlary to blame canada?
[19:29:00] Beirdo: yup
[19:29:00] Beirdo: blame Theo
[19:29:00] KarlosII: hahahahaahaha
[19:29:00] rjune_: Theo deserves it more than canada
[19:29:00] Beirdo: far more specific than blaming ALL of Canada
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[19:30:00] ** Beirdo is an OpenBSD user in spite of him **
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[19:31:00] rjune_: you poor guy
[19:31:00] Beirdo: KarlosII: you need to go to Preston Manning's house and beg him to run for Prime Minister again
[19:31:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:31:00] Beirdo: rjune_: makes a damn nice firewall
[19:31:00] KarlosII: Beirdo, u kidding, e's more right then harper
[19:32:00] Beirdo: so?
[19:32:00] KarlosII: he's
[19:32:00] Beirdo: he's honest and not a slimeball
[19:32:00] Beirdo: just a bit squeaky in the voice department
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[19:32:00] KarlosII: the bloody ontarians and quebecers will hate him and the conservatives will never get elected
[19:32:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:32:00] Beirdo: I voted for him twice when Stockwell took over
[19:32:00] Tommck: Beirdo – trying with avidemux 2.0.36 now
[19:32:00] Beirdo: TWICE
[19:32:00] KarlosII: Unless u want to seperate from ontario and quebec :)
[19:33:00] Beirdo: and I'm in Ontario
[19:33:00] KarlosII: heh
[19:33:00] Beirdo: I'd vote for him over Harper any day of the week
[19:33:00] kormoc: Beirdo dug up a dead guy and helped him vote too
[19:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:33:00] Beirdo: kormoc: it was a leadership race
[19:33:00] KarlosII: I tell you what w get the conservatives in power as a government then we'll have a leadership electiona and bring preston back :)
[19:33:00] Beirdo: with two ballots
[19:33:00] kormoc: <Beirdo> Why yes, Mr. Zombie does need some help in the voting booth...
[19:34:00] KarlosII: lol
[19:34:00] kormoc: <Mr. Zombie> Brains.... Brrrrraiiiinnssss...
[19:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:34:00] Beirdo: Preston's cool
[19:34:00] KarlosII: good ole preston
[19:34:00] Beirdo: for an old coot from Alberta, especially :)
[19:34:00] KarlosII: I did like him :)
[19:34:00] KarlosII: still do
[19:34:00] Beirdo: yup
[19:34:00] Beirdo: me too
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: I seem to remember disliking him, but my recollection of him is now faded :)
[19:35:00] KarlosII: but he don't stand a chance against the liberals in quebec and ontario
[19:35:00] Beirdo: all the yanks are probably wondering who the hell is is
[19:35:00] KarlosII: heh
[19:35:00] KarlosII: go preston
[19:35:00] Beirdo: well, I wouldn't say that
[19:35:00] Beirdo: Conservatives + Reform got more votes consistantly than Liberals
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[19:35:00] KarlosII: umm
[19:36:00] Beirdo: this last election was real close, and mainly because of the retard running the party
[19:36:00] Beirdo: Martin seemed like a better PM than Harper to many...
[19:36:00] KarlosII: actually is strategic team's advice was pathetic
[19:36:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:36:00] KarlosII: harper had a lousy strategy team until a wekk or two ago
[19:37:00] Beirdo: Harper is lousy... case closed
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[19:37:00] Beirdo: heck, even Joe Clark would be a step up
[19:37:00] Beirdo: or Mulroney (shudder)
[19:37:00] KarlosII: can't believe his strategy team missed that liberal sidestep on the budget at midnight for a vote
[19:37:00] Beirdo: yeah
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[19:37:00] KarlosII: beirdo
[19:38:00] Beirdo: yeeessss?
[19:38:00] KarlosII: Beirdo, u believe eveyrthing media says?
[19:38:00] Beirdo: actually, I want our next PM to be from the west
[19:38:00] KarlosII: meet harper once and I will too and make a decision
[19:38:00] Beirdo: heh, no, I don't listen to those buttheads
[19:39:00] Beirdo: you have a point there
[19:39:00] KarlosII: the conservative party has my support but not harper yet
[19:39:00] Beirdo: I did know Preston's chief of staff (I think the title was)
[19:39:00] KarlosII: whcih is why I will still vote conservative because I believe in it's policy and constitution, and I can change the leader from inside
[19:39:00] KarlosII: :>
[19:40:00] ** Beirdo nods **
[19:40:00] Beirdo: and lately, they aren't as slimy as Chretien and his minions
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: I've yet to meet/see/whatever a politician I completely agreed with, likely never will.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: yeah
[19:40:00] Beirdo: there is that too
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: What sucks is that you can't vote for the person, only the party
[19:41:00] KarlosII: I might go down to calgary to the barbecue to meet him
[19:41:00] Beirdo: KarlosII: give us a full report ;)
[19:41:00] Beirdo: a bit of a drive, but likely worth it
[19:42:00] KarlosII: yep
[19:43:00] KarlosII: actually I wanna say to him if he screws this up, I'm gonna divide this country in half
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[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: And how exactly would "you" accomplish that ?
[19:44:00] KarlosII: screw the feds, and the west seperates
[19:44:00] KarlosII: or they renegotiate confederation
[19:45:00] GreyFoxx: Well when you said "I" I assume you meant you personally had the ability to do it (more so than a regular citizen might) so I was curious just what position /power you had to do it :)
[19:45:00] KarlosII: westerners are pretty pissed off that some ontarians and quebecers keep voting in liberals, the only thing stopping their seperatism feelings is the the conservatives are making some progress to a beinga new government
[19:46:00] KarlosII: GreyFoxx, my name might a have a little sway :)
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: Are you into politics in real life?
[19:47:00] KarlosII: uh no :), but enuf said
[19:47:00] KarlosII: for now :)
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: Well, forgive me if I label it as "bull" until I learn otherwise. After 14 years on IRC I've seen similar talk about someones real persona with no info :)
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: However, if you can make a change for the better for us all, I'm all for it :)
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[19:49:00] KarlosII: GreyFoxx, no prob, and I understand......u'll know who I am if I ever enter the spotlight :)
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: You are in Alberta? Friend of mine just moved there last week. I haven't been out that way in years ago.... I miss BC :(
[19:49:00] Tommck: Beirdo – does avidemux normally have any debuggin out put? all it says is "Cutting out commercials with avidemux" and then sits there... it's been about 7 minutes so far
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[19:49:00] KarlosII: I lveo alberta :)
[19:49:00] KarlosII: err love
[19:49:00] ** KarlosII curse the typing pixies **
[19:49:00] ** GreyFoxx use to live in Victoria. I liked it there **
[19:49:00] Beirdo: it does, but I redirect it to /dev/null
[19:50:00] Tommck: ahh... so I can undo that in the perl script, I guess.
[19:50:00] Beirdo: no
[19:50:00] Beirdo: in the mpeg2cut shell script
[19:50:00] Tommck: no?
[19:50:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:50:00] Tommck: hehe
[19:50:00] Beirdo: right idea though
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[19:54:00] Tommck: Beirdo – it's having problems reading an "idx" file
[19:54:00] Beirdo: OK
[19:54:00] Beirdo: that file gets created in your recordings directory
[19:54:00] Tommck: Beirdo – does it need write permissions from the directory where the nuv is?
[19:54:00] Tommck: ahhh
[19:54:00] Beirdo: yes
[19:54:00] Tommck: it's a read-only NFS mount, methinks ;)
[19:54:00] Beirdo: sorry, didn't think to tell you that part
[19:55:00] Tommck: hehe
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[19:55:00] Tommck: it doesn't modify the original NUV though, does it?
[19:55:00] ** laga watches to much tv **
[19:55:00] Beirdo: no
[19:55:00] Tommck: cool
[19:55:00] ** laga has a to_o_ bad spelling **
[19:56:00] Beirdo: it just writes an .idx file there, rather than assuming /tmp or something has space
[19:56:00] Tommck: right.
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[19:56:00] maniacxs: hi there my mythbackend crashed a few seconds ago.
[19:57:00] maniacxs: mythbackend: dl-close.c:365: _dl_close: Zusicherung <C2><BB>imap->l_type == lt_loaded || imap->l_opencount > 0<C2><AB> nicht erf<C3><BC>llt.
[19:57:00] maniacxs: this is the last line in mythbackend log
[19:58:00] maniacxs: it happened while accessing recorded shows with mythewb
[19:58:00] kormoc: I beleive that's a known issue that's fixed in cvs
[19:58:00] maniacxs: i am using svn from yesterday
[19:59:00] maniacxs: think its from yesterday
[19:59:00] maniacxs: its from 06.0605
[20:02:00] kormoc: it's 07.08.05 right now.
[20:02:00] maniacxs: is it listed in bugs.mythtv.org or in the new trac?
[20:03:00] kormoc: I'm not sure. Xris would know. Could you just try updating and seeing if it happens again?
[20:03:00] Tommck: weird.. can't seem to get my permissions figured out on the nfs mount
[20:03:00] maniacxs: ok thank you kormoc
[20:03:00] kormoc: your welcome
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[20:07:00] xris: stupid fc4 upgrade. clean install is MUCH nicer (and faster)
[20:08:00] maniacxs: xris: do you know where the bug solved on 07.06.05? causing mythbackend to crash is listed?
[20:08:00] Beirdo: no comment, xris
[20:08:00] xris: maniacxs: no clue what you're talking about.. commit log?
[20:08:00] xris: Beirdo: well, can't do ubuntu at work
[20:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:09:00] bowlarium: anybody heard of transcode putting the wrong aspect ratio in the file when ripping a dvd to xvid? I've googled the hell out of this and can't find anything.
[20:09:00] kormoc: xris, he means, has the bug with the thumbnailing of recorded programss been fixed in cvs/svn sense 6.6.05 or was it fixed before that.
[20:09:00] xris: oh. euro date format... thought you meant 2 days ago. and no, no clue where it'd be listed.
[20:09:00] ikaruga2099: Hi, I have a ATI TV WONDER PRO (not the All-in-Wonder). I was reading the archives and they say that the way to configure BTTV with this card is somewhere in there. But I can't seem to find it. Does someone know the link?
[20:09:00] bowlarium: i mean, the video looks smushed vertically – if i force 16:9 it looks ok
[20:10:00] gnome42: I see a huge amount of network traffic when playing recorded MPEG2 files from a remote frontend. Playing MPEG4 or nfs mounting the recordings directory does not show the problem. Can anyone confirm/deny if they see this too?
[20:11:00] kormoc: gnome42, how large are the files
[20:11:00] gnome42: 2–3 gigs
[20:11:00] kormoc: gnome42, how large are the mpeg4 files?
[20:12:00] gnome42: the one I am testing with is 3.3 gigs
[20:13:00] gnome42: kormoc: why would file size matter?
[20:13:00] kormoc: how long are the respective files?
[20:13:00] gnome42: BTW: this is cvs from around june18
[20:14:00] gnome42: MPEG2 is 1 hour, MEPG4 is 1 hour 53 mins
[20:14:00] kormoc: gnome42, well, the deal is, you can calculate how much bandwidth is required to watch said videos
[20:15:00] kormoc: (3 gigabytes) / (1 hour) = 873.813333 kBps
[20:16:00] gnome42: kormac: yeah, I thought of that but the difference is way too big to be bitrate related. I se 5 to 10 times the traffic in the problem case
[20:16:00] kormoc: (3.3 gigabytes) / (113 minutes) = 510.36885 kBps
[20:16:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow. **
[20:17:00] kormoc: well then
[20:18:00] gnome42: kormoc: yeah, 100's of KB/s is normal, I see MB/s in the problem case
[20:18:00] kormoc: have you tried updating the cvs and seeing if it goes away.
[20:18:00] kormoc: ?
[20:18:00] gnome42: and if I nfs mount the dir locally the net volume is normal
[20:18:00] kormoc: hrm
[20:19:00] gnome42: Nope, its not really a problem for me, I was just curious to see if others saw the same thing
[20:19:00] kormoc: that's really odd
[20:19:00] gnome42: kormoc: you don't see the problem on your systems
[20:19:00] gnome42: ?
[20:20:00] kormoc: nope
[20:21:00] gnome42: kormoc: OK, thanks for confirming :)
[20:21:00] kormoc: your welcome :)
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[20:22:00] Tommck: hey Beirdo – I now have permissions to write the IDX file and it's there, but it still complains that it can't open it
[20:22:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[20:22:00] Tommck: damn
[20:22:00] Tommck: thanks anyway
[20:23:00] Beirdo: try an older avidemux
[20:23:00] Beirdo: they may have borked it
[20:24:00] ikaruga2099: I got an ATI TV WONDER PRO; trying to get it to work with BTTV. Any ideas?
[20:24:00] Tommck: Beirdo – I already downgraded to 2.0.36
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[20:24:00] Beirdo: ikaruga2099: it's likely a cx88 card, not a bttv
[20:25:00] Beirdo: Tommck: keep downgrading :)
[20:25:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[20:25:00] ikaruga2099: Is that why the audio doesn't work?
[20:25:00] Beirdo: I dunno if that's the issue or not, but...
[20:25:00] bannerboy_: I'm having a little mythtv problem, the hue is way off on the video
[20:25:00] Tommck_: weird... got disconnected
[20:25:00] kormoc: ikaruga2099, did you try the btaudio or the snd_bt87x drivers?
[20:26:00] xris: anyone know if myth has an "eject" hotkey?
[20:26:00] ikaruga2099: no, first time hearing them (but will try)
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[20:27:00] Tommck_: Beirdo – strange... I just sat there staring at it, wondering what to do... then it just continued after a timeout... it seems to be doing somethin gnow
[20:27:00] Tommck_: (at least there's a file getting bigger in that directory
[20:27:00] Tommck_: )
[20:28:00] Beirdo: cool
[20:28:00] Tommck_: guess it was sunpot activity
[20:30:00] ikaruga2099: Bierdo, it says that btaudio is for getting audio directly over the PCI bus. My card uses an external cable for audio. I'm not sure if this will work.
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[20:31:00] Beirdo: not all bttv cards do btaudio
[20:32:00] kormoc: ikaruga2099, my card has both methods of getting audio.
[20:32:00] ikaruga2099: It's worth a shot. Thanks
[20:34:00] ikaruga2099: Now where do I get btaudio? I found the wiki but no download instructions. Is it built into the latest kernel?
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[20:35:00] bowlarium: anyone have experience with 16:9 ripping to the wrong aspect ratio?
[20:37:00] kormoc: ikaruga2099, btaudio is indeed, under oss
[20:37:00] kormoc: ikaruga2099, snd_bt87x is the alsa driver version of btaudio
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[20:38:00] ikaruga2099: Forgive me for the dumb question (I'm a newbie), but oss is built-in to the kernel? or I gotta go fetch it?
[20:38:00] kormoc: you'll need to activate it in the kernel if it's a 2.6.x kernel likly.
[20:38:00] bannerboy_: how do I correct a hue shift
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[20:39:00] xris: bannerboy_: I think "g" brings up the color/bright/contract/he editor for each channel
[20:40:00] xris: s/contract/contrast/
[20:42:00] bannerboy_: thanks xris
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[20:54:00] bowlarium: should i have to force 16:9 when playing back xvid ripped dvds in mplayer?
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[20:58:00] hadees: this somewhat off topic but does anyone know a good inexpensive company that will host mail servers? i have a domain and I want to be able to create atleast 30 email address
[20:59:00] kormoc: hadees, http://www.simpli.biz is really good
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[21:13:00] bowlarium: i'm using knoppmyth r5a16 (myth 0.18) to transcode a letterboxed dvd to xvid: the result is an avi that is stretched vertically. if i force 16:9 in the player, it looks fine. any ideas?
[21:15:00] bowlarium: the result file from transcode has 704x480 as the resolution
[21:16:00] mchou: wow, frys is finally offering more socket 939 CPU/Mobo combos than 754 in their ads now.....
[21:17:00] mchou: 3 socket 939 combos to 1 754 combo.
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[21:30:00] tux_mike: does anyone know if there are any linux compatable mpeg4 encoder cards that can take input out of a file/digital stream
[21:32:00] bowlarium: mplayer reports ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=0.0000 and size:704x480
[21:35:00] bowlarium: changing the recording profile resolution doesn't change anything
[21:36:00] Beirdo: tux_mike: you know of Google?
[21:36:00] tux_mike: i've been googling
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[21:36:00] tux_mike: just wondering if anyone in here may know of one
[21:36:00] Beirdo: then you know as much as anyone here is likely to
[21:36:00] tbutzon: anybody have the pvr-350 working?
[21:37:00] Tommck_: tbutzon – nope.. not a single one.
[21:37:00] tux_mike: i was thinking maybe someone in here may have seen what i'm looking for
[21:37:00] Tommck_: tbutzon – it's a pretty common card
[21:37:00] tbutzon: i would've thought so
[21:38:00] Tommck_: I was just being a smart-ass
[21:38:00] tbutzon: maybe i'm just an idiot, but i've spent all week and still can't get it fully set up
[21:38:00] bowlarium: what's not working? i just set one up
[21:39:00] tbutzon: well, i've gotten to where i can cat /dev/video0 to /dev/video16 and see static
[21:40:00] tbutzon: but using the fb and X11 was locking the whole system up
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[21:41:00] braniff: the static problem with the pvr 150 i had was a driver problem (ivtv)
[21:41:00] tbutzon: so i figured it was ivtv bugginess... i've now tried ivtv 0.1.9, 0.2.0-rc3[jk], 0.3.6x
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[21:41:00] tbutzon: well, there wasn't anything connected... it actually did work when i plugged in the cable
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[21:41:00] tbutzon: i'm just sayin, i can get that much on the tv, but the fb doesn't wanna work
[21:42:00] bowlarium: are you using fbdev?
[21:42:00] bowlarium: ivtvdev for /dev/fb1 works for me
[21:42:00] tbutzon: what do you mean? i'm using the ivtvdev_drv_o binary provided in the ivtv tgz
[21:43:00] tbutzon: i get a few IVTVDEV messages, then solid lockup
[21:43:00] tbutzon: but /dev/fb1 is definately there
[21:43:00] bowlarium: in your XF86Config are you using the driver ivtv for the 350 device? or fbdev?
[21:44:00] tbutzon: ahh, ivtvdev
[21:45:00] tbutzon: which ivtv should i be using, anyway? 0.3.0?
[21:48:00] bowlarium: should be ok. what version of myth is it?
[21:48:00] tbutzon: oh well
[21:49:00] tbutzon: hrmm
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[21:50:00] tbutzon: 0.18.1-r1
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[21:50:00] tbutzon: but if i understand right, X11 has to get thru to the tv before mythtv is even the issue, right?
[21:51:00] bowlarium: yeah – myth sits on top of X
[21:51:00] tbutzon: so this must be an ivtv issue
[21:51:00] tbutzon: maybe i should just mail them
[21:51:00] bowlarium: is the busid right in your X config?
[21:51:00] tbutzon: #ivtv-dev seems pretty dead
[21:51:00] bowlarium: it could be the X config file
[21:51:00] bowlarium: i had that problem at first
[21:52:00] tbutzon: yeah, i get IVTVDEV messages in the output, then a solid lockup
[21:52:00] bowlarium: but you never see X on the tv?
[21:52:00] tbutzon: (which has been reported elsewhere, but no fixes, or spontaneously it starts workign)
[21:52:00] tbutzon: noe
[21:52:00] tbutzon: *nope
[21:52:00] braniff: could try a different input on your 350
[21:53:00] braniff: i switched from composite to svideo and that fixed my problem
[21:53:00] tbutzon: i can get the tv picture to show up (cat /dev/video0 > /dev/video16)
[21:53:00] tbutzon: it's an output problem
[21:54:00] braniff: i dunno about 350 output — i use the nvidia mx 440
[21:54:00] tbutzon: actually, i do have an nvidia i could use i guess, but i was hoping the 350's decoder would be a benefit
[21:55:00] tbutzon: otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much on a tv capture card
[21:55:00] dougl: can anyone point me in the right direction for a winfast pvr2000 card and visionplus satelite card... I'm googled out and no further ahead.
[21:55:00] braniff: 350 without using the output is just like a 250
[21:55:00] mchou: or the 150 :)
[21:56:00] braniff: heh
[21:56:00] braniff: 150 kicks ass though. i'm very happy with mine
[21:56:00] mchou: yeah, 150 is wonderba
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[21:56:00] mchou: I got mine retail for $60.....
[21:57:00] bowlarium: the decoder is nice...
[21:57:00] Beirdo: wonderbra?
[21:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:57:00] mchou: lol
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[21:57:00] mchou: however you spell it :)
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[21:58:00] Tommck: what does it mean when a recording is highlighted yellow?
[21:58:00] Beirdo: I think you mean wunderbar. but wonderbra is good for the geek population :)
[21:59:00] Beirdo: I think that means it's currently being recorded
[21:59:00] Beirdo: and the color will depend on the theme
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[22:01:00] laga: Beirdo: i thought the average geek alrady has c-cups?
[22:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:01:00] Beirdo: probably
[22:01:00] mchou: Beirdo: haha I was searching google for spelling and it came up with this: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/djst/archives/006827.html
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[22:02:00] mchou: priceless :)
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[22:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:02:00] bowlarium: tbutzon- do you have the ivtv_fb driver loaded?
[22:02:00] Beirdo: yeah
[22:02:00] sdog: Anyone got goot docs on nvida tvout ?
[22:02:00] xris: laga: but how many of them are attached to someone else?
[22:02:00] laga: sdog: www.nvidia.com their stuff is really good
[22:03:00] laga: xris: zero out of two, i guess.
[22:03:00] tbutzon: erm, you mean the kernel module or x11 driver? either way, yes.
[22:03:00] bowlarium: yeah kernel
[22:03:00] bowlarium: do you see it with a lsmod | grep ivtv?
[22:03:00] tbutzon: yup
[22:04:00] tbutzon: and in dmesg
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[22:04:00] bowlarium: if you just do startx, what happens?
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[22:04:00] tbutzon: comes up on vga monitor but not on the tv
[22:05:00] tbutzon: i've got it set with a serverlayout that should have both screens showing the same thing
[22:05:00] sdog: tbutzon: sounds familiar :)
[22:07:00] bowlarium: what are the IVTVDEV errors you get?
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[22:07:00] tbutzon: erm hold on
[22:07:00] marc_in_lux: good evening
[22:09:00] marc_in_lux: I have issues on my pure PVR-based setup. Recordings often terminate while I watch them. I did a mythcommflag --rebuild and checked the mysql tables, but that didn't help.
[22:11:00] mchou: sigh....
[22:11:00] Tommck: Beirdo – the recording was already recorded a while ago.... (Im using Titivulsdusdfsdfsdf) any other ideas?
[22:12:00] Tommck: Beirdo – figured it out
[22:12:00] Tommck: accidentally added it to the playlist
[22:12:00] Tommck: :)
[22:12:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:12:00] Beirdo: ah yes, I think it's orange while recording..
[22:12:00] sdog: hmm.. got tv out working .. but it's in grey .. any clues ?
[22:12:00] Tommck: right
[22:12:00] Beirdo: I don't pay much attention to minor details :)
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[22:14:00] mchou: heh, I wonder who Bush and Rove will set up as the fall guy in the Plame case.
[22:15:00] Beirdo: some patsy
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[22:16:00] kgrimm: how do you set the audio channnel? i get a couple that loop message about wrong audio channel
[22:16:00] mchou: for an adminstration that hates the press, they sure did a job on them.
[22:16:00] Beirdo: they marginalized the press by feeding them an endless pile of crap
[22:16:00] Beirdo: and did quite well at it
[22:17:00] mchou: yeah, and now reporters go to jail for them. What irony.
[22:17:00] Beirdo: that's what happens in dictatorships...
[22:17:00] mchou: and it's not even Novak in this case.
[22:18:00] Beirdo: I ignore the news
[22:18:00] Beirdo: it's all depressing bullshit
[22:18:00] mchou: yeah good ole US...SR.
[22:18:00] Beirdo: lest we forget... Hitler was voted in too.
[22:18:00] mchou: heh, exactly.
[22:19:00] mchou: Nixon and Bush too.
[22:19:00] laga: because the constitution sucked.
[22:19:00] Beirdo: democracy subverted is a pretty useless system
[22:19:00] kgrimm: how do you set the audio channnel? i get a couple that loop message about wrong audio channel,, anyone?
[22:20:00] mchou: although ib Bush's case "voted" might be a stretch :)
[22:20:00] Beirdo: kgrimm: you need to be more specific what you are talking about
[22:20:00] mchou: more like "ordained"
[22:20:00] kgrimm: audio channel,, choose the language
[22:20:00] Beirdo: we got the "audio channel" part
[22:20:00] Beirdo: now what are you talking about?
[22:21:00] kgrimm: i'm hearing the wrong language for some channels
[22:21:00] Beirdo: what's your setup, what are you trying to do, etc.
[22:21:00] tbutzon: i keep getting junk like this, and i don't know why the directions would say to do something that causes error messages to show up
[22:21:00] tbutzon: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obsolete ones
[22:21:00] mchou: that can probably be safely ignored.
[22:22:00] GreyFoxx: ]
[22:22:00] kgrimm: debian, front and backend on same server
[22:23:00] kgrimm: i found 1 link on the web about editing in mysql,, i'm not much dba
[22:23:00] Tommck: [
[22:23:00] Beirdo: kgrimm: still no idea what you are talking about
[22:25:00] bowlarium: tbutzon: what format is your busid in? i read that it makes a difference putting PCI in front of the id. that's how i have it
[22:25:00] bowlarium: or is yours in hex?
[22:25:00] kgrimm: tvcard supports mono/stereo/lang1/lang2,, how do i toggle between these and save per tv channel?
[22:25:00] tbutzon: yeah, i've tried PCI:x:x:x and just x:x:x
[22:25:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[22:25:00] tbutzon: not hex
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[22:26:00] Beirdo: Hmm, it might be accessible in the channel editor in mythtv-setup, kgrimm, not sure
[22:26:00] tbutzon: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)
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[22:26:00] Beirdo: but at least now we have an idea what you mean :)
[22:27:00] mchou: anyone here using a 64-bit kernel with myth?
[22:27:00] Beirdo: not currently
[22:27:00] tbutzon: now i've done something and cat /dev/video0 to /dev/video16 isn't working... :(
[22:27:00] tbutzon: *can't cat...
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[22:31:00] bowlarium: did you change anything other than the latency timer?
[22:31:00] tbutzon: and i was getting a green screen on the tv and then a gray static-ish pattern (not moving tho).... now it's just nothing
[22:31:00] tbutzon: latency timer?
[22:31:00] tbutzon: i'm not changing that, the kernel module is
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[22:32:00] tbutzon: all i've really done is moved around between about 3 or 4 ivtv versions
[22:33:00] bowlarium: but it was working with the version you have installed now?
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[22:33:00] tbutzon: i think so, i dont' remember exactly :-P
[22:33:00] tbutzon: i'll try another
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[22:34:00] bowlarium: i'm using version 0.2.0 (rc3j) if that helps
[22:38:00] tbutzon: yeah, that's what i'm on now
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[22:44:00] ManagedGI: Hi. Can anyone help me with MythTV and DVB-S ? How can i get the channels via DVB-S ?
[22:45:00] laga: ManagedGI: did you build mythtv with support for dvb and eit?
[22:45:00] bowlarium: tbutzon: can you run a test pattern on the tv?
[22:45:00] bowlarium: with the saa7127 driver?
[22:46:00] ManagedGI: laga: yes, and i can select the DVB-Card. But how can i add channels?
[22:46:00] laga: ManagedGI: umm. scan for them.
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[22:47:00] tbutzon: bowl: no, i've *never* been able to get that
[22:49:00] tbutzon: i've tried test_image=1 in the options, but i figured "Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obsolete ones" might have somethign to do with it
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[22:50:00] tbutzon: when i try it on modprobe it says undefined symbol or unrecognized option
[22:50:00] ManagedGI: laga: but how ?
[22:50:00] ManagedGI: laga: when i scan for the channels, mythtv work for 30sec and then i get an error
[22:51:00] laga: oh, you get 'an error' – very descriptive ;).
[22:51:00] bowlarium: tbutzon: do you have the right output_select? i think 0 is composite and 1 is svideo
[22:51:00] bowlarium: may be the other way
[22:52:00] tbutzon: actually, 0 is both, then 1 is just one, and 2 is the other (don't remember which, i left it on 0)
[22:52:00] laga: ManagedGI: anyways, i dont know much about dvb-s. if you're german, you might want to join #mythtv-de and ask for hamsta ;)
[22:53:00] tbutzon: ok, ivtvctl -K 1 is working
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[22:54:00] tbutzon: i can see tv and hear audio...
[22:54:00] tbutzon: now back to the stupid fb stuff :-P
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[22:54:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Hello. I cannot get DVB working properly
[22:54:00] DaCrayZeeOne: When I get mythtv to scan for my channels it recognizes like 6 chanels multiple times, rather than finding the 30 or 40 odd I am meant to have
[22:55:00] tbutzon: (EE) IVTVDEV(1): Weight given (000) is inconsistent with the depth (25)
[22:55:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Each time it scans a new whatever-it-calls-it (frequency?) it finds the same channels as last time. I am sure this is not meant to happen!
[22:55:00] DaCrayZeeOne: Is anyone here from the UK?
[22:56:00] tbutzon: ok this is different from ever before...
[22:56:00] tbutzon: invalid api mailbox, Encoder firmware dead, RELOADING, etc.
[22:56:00] bowlarium: the monitor section is set up for NTSC, right?
[22:57:00] bowlarium: bad card?
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[22:57:00] tbutzon: i hope not
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[22:57:00] Kingright: hello all
[22:57:00] ManagedGI: thank you laga
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[22:57:00] ManagedGI: i will try this
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[22:58:00] tbutzon: the early on dmesg thing about old firmware didn't come up tho, so i should have the right firmware extracted
[22:58:00] bowlarium: have you tried output only to the tv? not to the monitor?
[22:59:00] bowlarium: maybe those drivers clash for some reason
[22:59:00] tbutzon: nawp, guess i could give that a shot
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[23:01:00] tbutzon: ok, 2.6 kernel... what options should i have in /etc/modules*
[23:01:00] tbutzon: i saw somewhere it said all the options stuff in modules.conf wasn't supposed to be there in 2.6
[23:01:00] tbutzon: so now i'm confused
[23:02:00] zuralin: depends on your hardware
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[23:03:00] tbutzon: ahh, ok
[23:03:00] tbutzon: i guess i have been looking at a pvr-350 specific howto
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[23:07:00] tbutzon: yeah, i guess i should've known going by a howto for ivtv-0.1.9 and using ivtv-0.2.0-rc3 would've been bad
[23:08:00] tbutzon: but 0 1 9 doesn't wanna work for me
[23:08:00] bowlarium: tbutzon: gotta run... good luck
[23:08:00] tbutzon: aight, thanks for the help :)
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[23:09:00] tbutzon: aight, now i get this from X11: (EE) IVTVDEV(0): Weight given (000) is inconsistent with the depth (25)
[23:10:00] tbutzon: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[23:10:00] tbutzon: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"rn after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
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[23:11:00] tbutzon: then a hard lockup
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[23:17:00] gr8nash: xris, ping
[23:17:00] xris: pong
[23:17:00] gr8nash: hey.. question for ya.. about your products your company sells
[23:17:00] gr8nash: can i pm you for a sec?
[23:17:00] xris: no.  ;)
[23:22:00] Uberbot2 (~Uberbot@69.252.216.254) has joined #mythtv-users
[23:23:00] Uberbot2: Hi all.
[23:24:00] kormoc: Hello there Mr. Robot
[23:24:00] ** xris **
[23:25:00] Uberbot2: Sorry, not a bot.
[23:25:00] Uberbot2: My zap2it subscription just expired and I've forgotten how to renew it.
[23:26:00] kormoc: read the email they sent and follow it's instructions?
[23:26:00] mchou: lol
[23:26:00] Uberbot2: Nope. My Internet connection has been down. That's why my subscription expired...
[23:27:00] mchou: huh??
[23:27:00] Beirdo: then go login to labs.zap2it.com (if you can) and try to renew it
[23:27:00] Beirdo: otherwise, set it up again using the instructions in the MythTV docs
[23:27:00] mchou: your subscription doesnt expire if you have no inet connection.
[23:28:00] Uberbot2: That was the URL I was looking for. Thanx.
[23:28:00] kormoc: Uberbot2, your subscription expired or is your myth database outdated?
[23:28:00] laga: night.
[23:28:00] Uberbot2: The database is outdated and mythfilldatabase can't get any new data.
[23:28:00] Uberbot2: So, I figured it was time to take the poll.
[23:29:00] Uberbot2: That did it. Thanx, guys.
[23:30:00] Beirdo: no prob
[23:30:00] phoner: what happends when my guide data expires?
[23:31:00] phoner: or the subscription I mean
[23:31:00] Beirdo: you renew it!
[23:31:00] ** Beirdo slaps phoner with a trout **
[23:31:00] phoner: is that free?
[23:31:00] Uberbot2: You have to visit their website, answere a few simple questions and they renew it, free.
[23:32:00] Beirdo: was it free the first time?
[23:32:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:32:00] phoner: I can't remember
[23:32:00] kormoc: you could pay me $5 and I'll sign you up for ya! :P
[23:32:00] phoner: hehe
[23:32:00] Beirdo: yes, Zap2it data is free for use in personal open source projects
[23:32:00] Beirdo: you need to fill in a short survey every what? 6 months?
[23:33:00] Beirdo: or is it 3?
[23:33:00] Beirdo: hell, I don't remember
[23:33:00] Beirdo: but it's free
[23:33:00] kormoc: 3, quartly
[23:33:00] Beirdo: pintly?
[23:33:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[23:33:00] ** Beirdo thinks kormoc is getting ready to get durnk **
[23:34:00] ** kormoc laugh **
[23:34:00] kormoc: s
[23:34:00] kormoc: maybe later tonight ;)
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[23:34:00] phoner: I was reading about some company that was selling subscriptions for mythtv
[23:34:00] phoner: what's the deal on that, why would anyone buy them
[23:36:00] kormoc: you get more/better data on each show
[23:36:00] phoner: ah, yea I wonder who writes that stuff
[23:37:00] Uberbot2: Lagers, all.
[23:37:00] jams: no surverys to fill out..plus other things like themes and supporting mythtv development
[23:38:00] Beirdo: and most importantly... US-only, so they are getting no money from me
[23:38:00] jams: hehe
[23:39:00] jams: phoner the company website is www.lxmsuite.com
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[23:41:00] phoner: what does tivo cost for subscriptions?
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[23:41:00] Beirdo: > $0 = ripoff
[23:41:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:42:00] Beirdo: and also US-only
[23:42:00] Beirdo: anyways, I'm gonna go home
[23:42:00] Beirdo: at least with lxmsuite we get money into the myth development
[23:42:00] xris: Beirdo: ?
[23:42:00] xris: ahh
[23:42:00] phoner: what if you have someone else save the subscripts and redistribute them
[23:42:00] ** kormoc waves **
[23:42:00] Beirdo: I'm heading home, seeya
[23:43:00] xris: phoner: where are you getting the subscriptions from?
[23:45:00] phoner: zap2it
[23:45:00] phoner: does mythtv support lxmsuite today?
[23:45:00] kormoc: why would you redistrubute a free service?
[23:45:00] xris: yes
[23:45:00] phoner: I mean redistribute lxm's
[23:45:00] xris: and redistributing zap2it listings is against their TOS — they'd ban you and cut off the rest of us.
[23:46:00] kormoc: they'd cut your subscription
[23:46:00] xris: presumably the same with lxm
[23:46:00] phoner: wow, they supply themes?
[23:47:00] xris: phoner: that's mostly what you pay for. that and the enhanced listings and movie times.
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[23:47:00] xris: well, and the bounty points to put toward myth development.
[23:48:00] phoner: I can see the themes getting redistributed pretty easily though
[23:48:00] kormoc: meh
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[23:48:00] phoner: I wonder if they have a plan for that
[23:48:00] kormoc: I'd hope more people would be polite and nice enough to not do that
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[23:49:00] Tommck: kormoc – like with music and movies? :)
[23:49:00] kormoc: they insert into each theam a unique id based onthe user who downloaded it and thus when they find on in the wild, they can ban them?
[23:49:00] phoner: hehe
[23:49:00] kormoc: tomimo, when I buy something, I rarely have any want to redistrubute it :P
[23:49:00] phoner: yea, like what they do with satilite tv cards
[23:50:00] Tommck: knewt_ – I see
[23:50:00] Tommck: ;)
[23:50:00] phoner: it's not being redistributed willingly by the one who bought it...
[23:51:00] abarbaccia: anybody here running an ubuntu mythbox that wouldn't mind reading over my guide for errors?
[23:51:00] phoner: or something similar to how online games need an active key
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[23:53:00] xris: abarbaccia: bug jarod when he gets back — he's been talking about expanding his guide to include other distros.
[23:53:00] xris: should be back from his trip sometime this weekend.
[23:56:00] abarbaccia: alright – i mean, i would love it if he wouldn't mind reading over my guide and linking to it or something – im trying to make my guide the goto for ubuntu like his is for fedora
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[23:57:00] abarbaccia: alright, gotta run to the gym – ttyl

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