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| [00:00:00] | Exstatica: | anyone setup myth on fedora core 4 yet? |
| [00:01:00] | stoffel: | i believe so |
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| [00:15:00] | opello: | so, what command line utility can i use to demultiplex mpeg2 video? |
| [00:15:00] | monkeyontherun: | I just setup mythtv and I get audio but no video when I go to watch tv |
| [00:15:00] | monkeyontherun: | when I exit the audio is still playing |
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| [00:25:00] | monkeyontherun: | what can I test??/ |
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| [01:50:00] | xris: | opello: tcdemux? there are a bunch. some are better than others for different types of mpeg files, sort of depends on what you want to do with it. |
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| [02:02:00] | jemarcks: | TGIF |
| [02:07:00] | vitriol: | how do you define channel sources in myth-tv setup? |
| [02:07:00] | vitriol: | 'scan for channels' is greyed out |
| [02:07:00] | vitriol: | errr mythtv-setup |
| [02:08:00] | opello: | xris: i was looking to demux mpegs for use with dvdauthorgui (pvr doesn't have a dvd burner, so i burn the dvds on my desktop) but figured i could save some time by demuxing them en masse there, instead of 1 at a time in tmpegenc |
| [02:09:00] | GeckoFiend: | vitriol you can only scan with DVB afaik |
| [02:10:00] | vitriol: | ohh |
| [02:10:00] | vitriol: | i've never used mythtv before...sorry if that was a dumb question |
| [02:11:00] | vitriol: | either way, i don't seem to be getting channels |
| [02:11:00] | vitriol: | if i do $mythtv |
| [02:11:00] | vitriol: | i get static |
| [02:11:00] | vitriol: | like a tv channel that you're not getting |
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| [02:12:00] | jemarcks: | Does anybody know how to get NFS to work between two machines? |
| [02:12:00] | vitriol: | says i need to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend to populate the database with channels |
| [02:13:00] | vitriol: | and when i attempt to run it, it says i need to run the setup program :\ |
| [02:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfilldatabase is what is used to fill the database with program listings once you have already run mythtv-setup to configure the video source and inputs |
| [02:14:00] | vitriol: | oh i see |
| [02:14:00] | vitriol: | i must not have configured them correctly |
| [02:15:00] | xris: | opello: tcdemux, mpgtx, avidemux, lvemux, probably mplayer.... |
| [02:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | You might want to read over http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [02:15:00] | xris: | anyway, time for me to head home. later, all. |
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| [02:15:00] | vitriol: | GreyFoxx: thank you, i'll do that :) |
| [02:19:00] | jemarcks: | Does anybody know how to get NFS to work between two machines? I want to export my /video directory to another box to do video editing. |
| [02:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are many nfs setup tutorials, google is your friend :) |
| [02:21:00] | jemarcks: | greyfoxx, i have it setup but there is a permission problem... the video editing box that trys to mount the exported video directory says that permission was denied by the myth box... so something is wrong with my /etc/exports |
| [02:22:00] | jemarcks: | [mythtv@htpc1 ~]$ cat /etc/exports |
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| [02:23:00] | jemarcks: | /video nugget(rw,insecure) |
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| [02:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | does "nugget" resolve to the IP of the machine doing the mounting ? |
| [02:25:00] | jemarcks: | greyfoxx yes |
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| [02:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | from the server you can do "ping nugget" and it gets a response ? |
| [02:26:00] | jemarcks: | greyfoxx, yes to that too |
| [02:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | there should be some sort of syslog entry on the server giving some sort of message about the failure to connect |
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| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | personally I always use IPs in my exports files to avoid the possibility of any resolving issues |
| [02:29:00] | jemarcks: | Jun 27 11:54:41 nugget mount: mount: htpc1:/video failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | from the server :) |
| [02:29:00] | jemarcks: | greyfoxx, from my /var/log/messages... |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | the server should have a log entry as well |
| [02:29:00] | jemarcks: | looking... |
| [02:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | My exports entries are all similar to "/hdd/2/video 192.168.0.*(rw,no_root_squash,nohide,no_all_squash)" |
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| [02:31:00] | jemarcks: | i changed mine to look like yours.. how do i test it without a reboot? |
| [02:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | try running "exportfs" |
| [02:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | should update your nfs export listings from the file |
| [02:33:00] | jemarcks: | which exportfs? |
| [02:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | that is the command |
| [02:33:00] | jemarcks: | ah.. /usr/sbin/exportfs... reading... |
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| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | now, how do i make nugget see the export? |
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| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | [root@htpc1 mythtv]# /usr/sbin/exportfs -av |
| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.0.*:/video". |
| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). |
| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions |
| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | exporting 192.168.0.*:/video |
| [02:36:00] | jemarcks: | exportfs: No host name given with /video (rw,sync,wdelay,nohide,nocrossmnt,insecure,no_root_squash,no_all_squash,subtree_ check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2,anongid=-2), suggest *(rw,sync,wdelay,nohide,nocrossmnt,insecure,no_root_squash,no_all_squash,subtree _check,secure_locks,mapping=identity,anonuid=-2,anongid=-2) to avoid warning |
| [02:37:00] | vitriol: | do i really need 'datadirect' ? |
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| [02:37:00] | vitriol: | it looks like its needed to populate the channel list.... |
| [02:37:00] | jemarcks: | that correct |
| [02:37:00] | vitriol: | is there an alternative? |
| [02:38:00] | vitriol: | i'm getting the impression that datadirect is a subscription service |
| [02:38:00] | jemarcks: | yes, but you have to pay. its worth it... read jarods guide |
| [02:38:00] | vitriol: | k |
| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | It doesn |
| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | 't cost anything |
| [02:38:00] | vitriol: | oh realy? |
| [02:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:38:00] | vitriol: | i see a 15 day free trial on the datadirect site |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | use the url in the myth docs |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | and the signup code |
| [02:39:00] | jemarcks: | greyfoxx, how do i make nugget see the export? |
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| [02:39:00] | vitriol: | ohhh |
| [02:39:00] | vitriol: | thanks GreyFoxx |
| [02:39:00] | jemarcks: | would mount do it? |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | just mount it |
| [02:43:00] | jemarcks: | darn command syntax lol |
| [02:45:00] | jemarcks: | [root@nugget jemarcks]# mount -t nfs htpc1:/video /video |
| [02:45:00] | jemarcks: | mount: htpc1:/video failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| [02:45:00] | jemarcks: | :/ |
| [02:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | I assume your ips are actually in the 192.168.0. range :) |
| [02:48:00] | jemarcks: | yes they are |
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| [02:51:00] | alanh: | exit |
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| [03:02:00] | riddlebox: | hello which is the best remote to buy with mythtv+linux and a pvr-500 card? |
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| [03:07:00] | xris: | riddlebox: whichever one fits your needs, and works with lirc. |
| [03:08:00] | riddlebox: | is there one brand that just works better? |
| [03:08:00] | jemarcks: | xris, do you use nfs? |
| [03:09:00] | AlHaz: | Hi. I'm having a mythtv problem with regard to mysql on debian/sarge. mythtv-setup says it's unable to connect to the database, but mysql-admin has no problem connecting to the database and logging in as mythtv |
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| [03:09:00] | xris: | jemarcks: for some stuff, yes. |
| [03:09:00] | xris: | love that. asks a question, and then leaves. |
| [03:09:00] | jemarcks: | xris, greyfoxx and I have been trying to fix a permission problem i have with nfs |
| [03:09:00] | xris: | ? |
| [03:10:00] | jemarcks: | xris, i export my video dir to a box i use to edit with.. but the editor box gets a error |
| [03:10:00] | jemarcks: | mount: htpc1:/video failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
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| [03:10:00] | jemarcks: | [root@nugget jemarcks]# mount -t nfs htpc1:/video /video |
| [03:11:00] | AlHaz: | jemarcks: I saw that, I don't recognize the 'insecure' option, tried no_root_squash? |
| [03:11:00] | jemarcks: | the insecure option was in the man pages |
| [03:11:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, well, I still don't recognize it |
| [03:11:00] | AlHaz: | so I'm asking if you've tried the option that i recognize |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | jemarcks: what's /etc/exports look like? |
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| [03:12:00] | jemarcks: | /video 192.168.0.*(rw,no_root_squash,nohide,no_all_squash,insecure) |
| [03:13:00] | jemarcks: | any ideas? |
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| [03:14:00] | xris: | jemarcks: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 |
| [03:14:00] | AlHaz: | jemarcks: 'exportfs -r' and try again? (stupid suggestion, reflex action, any sane person would have done this already) |
| [03:15:00] | AlHaz: | xris: or 192.168.0.0/24 |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | [root@htpc1 mythtv]# /usr/sbin/exportfs -r |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.0.*:/video". |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | [root@htpc1 mythtv]# |
| [03:15:00] | xris: | AlHaz: was just about to say that. |
| [03:15:00] | jemarcks: | xris, should i use 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 in the export file? |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | or 192.168.0.0/24 |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | didn't know that you could do wildcards like * |
| [03:16:00] | jemarcks: | what does 0.0/24 mean? |
| [03:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | actually you are right, it should be using the bitmask instead of the wildcard |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | /24 is the equivalent of /255.255.255.0 |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | a full class C network |
| [03:17:00] | jemarcks: | It works! Thanks! |
| [03:18:00] | jemarcks: | /video 192.168.0.0/24 (rw,no_root_squash,nohide,no_all_squash,insecure) |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | :) |
| [03:19:00] | ** xris feels special now. ** | |
| [03:19:00] | jemarcks: | :) |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [03:19:00] | port80: | Does anybody know anything about tuning in the Avermedia 771 (DVB-T) ? I have googled and tried everything I can think of, but I am not having any luck. All the modules are loaded and the software can find the frontend, but complains about not being able to find the tuner. |
| [03:25:00] | AlHaz: | So, any ideas? ethereal is showing that myth is making no attempt whatsoever to open any sockets |
| [03:25:00] | AlHaz: | which might explain why the database just doesn't seem to connect |
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| [03:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | Is mysql on the same box as myth ? |
| [03:30:00] | jemarcks: | yes |
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| [03:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Are you answering for Alhaz or for yourself ? |
| [03:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | time to put my kid to bed. fun |
| [03:31:00] | AlHaz: | GreyFoxx: Yep |
| [03:31:00] | AlHaz: | GreyFoxx: if i fire up mysql-admin and log into 127.0.0.1 as mythtv/mythtv i see it do it's thing in ethereal |
| [03:31:00] | AlHaz: | GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup makes nary a packet on the local device |
| [03:34:00] | port80: | how do I tune a digital card? |
| [03:35:00] | AlHaz: | what sort of digital card? |
| [03:35:00] | Agrajag-: | port80: tzap |
| [03:35:00] | AlHaz: | sure, if it's dvb-t |
| [03:35:00] | port80: | it is |
| [03:36:00] | AlHaz: | ATSC here, and tuning is the least of my problems |
| [03:37:00] | port80: | okay no manual for tzap |
| [03:37:00] | AlHaz: | you need dvb-apps installed |
| [03:37:00] | vitriol: | how do you know what your audio device is? |
| [03:37:00] | vitriol: | i.e. /dev/dsp or whatever |
| [03:37:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: uh, you just know? |
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| [03:38:00] | AlHaz: | iirc /dev/sndstat is depricated |
| [03:38:00] | vitriol: | well..i'm not getting sound |
| [03:38:00] | vitriol: | getting video, no sound |
| [03:38:00] | port80: | I'm in deb atm and I have dvb-apps installed |
| [03:38:00] | vitriol: | i dunno if it has something to do with the soundcard |
| [03:39:00] | vitriol: | nm i'm going to do some more reading |
| [03:39:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, seems to have no manpage |
| [03:43:00] | AlHaz: | I've got azap working, can tune and watch stuff with mplayer. but mythtv-setup can't connect to the database. ethereal tells me it's not even trying. |
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| [03:45:00] | Shorty`: | pr0t! :P |
| [03:52:00] | port80: | hey Shorty` |
| [03:53:00] | port80: | welp me Shorty` /me kicks aver 771 |
| [03:53:00] | Shorty`: | what's up dude? :P |
| [03:53:00] | port80: | see above :) |
| [03:53:00] | Shorty`: | ahah, I'm having fun of my own |
| [03:53:00] | Shorty`: | ;) |
| [03:53:00] | port80: | which card? |
| [03:53:00] | Shorty`: | PVR-250 |
| [03:54:00] | Shorty`: | AlHaz, bearing in mind localhost and 127.0.0.1 as different? |
| [03:55:00] | Shorty`: | in mysql terms |
| [03:55:00] | port80: | ahh, aren't they meant to just plug in and work? |
| [03:55:00] | Shorty`: | apparently.. ahaha |
| [03:55:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: mysql is bound to 'localhost' |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | I'm getting jitter and the picture, zoomed in |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | you wont see it then |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | it'll use the socket file |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | :) |
| [03:56:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: binding it to an internal ip or hostname doesn't make a bit of difference |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | I've found when you use localhost, it tries to use the socket |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | in *alot* of cases. |
| [03:56:00] | Agrajag-: | "a lot" |
| [03:56:00] | port80: | what's mysql doing wrong? |
| [03:56:00] | Shorty`: | MySQL never does things wrong ;> |
| [03:56:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: right, mysql-admin will use the socket if i tell it localhost, will use lo if i tell it 127.0.0.1 – and works either way |
| [03:56:00] | port80: | exactly |
| [03:57:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: mythtv says it can't connect |
| [03:57:00] | Shorty`: | ok |
| [03:57:00] | port80: | ah |
| [03:57:00] | Shorty`: | check the grant statement |
| [03:57:00] | AlHaz: | with either 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
| [03:57:00] | Shorty`: | if you try and do it on command line, as in... mysql -uusername -ppassword |
| [03:57:00] | Shorty`: | does it connect? |
| [03:57:00] | Agrajag-: | Shorty`: do you have skip-networking in your mysql config? |
| [03:57:00] | AlHaz: | and in either case, ethereal says it's not doing anything |
| [03:57:00] | port80: | make sure mysql will use tcp and sockets |
| [03:57:00] | Agrajag-: | err i mean AlHaz |
| [03:57:00] | Agrajag-: | not Shorty` |
| [03:58:00] | AlHaz: | I've given the mysql user full priviliges through phpmyadmin |
| [03:58:00] | port80: | by default doesn't mysql only use sockets |
| [03:58:00] | AlHaz: | i can log into that account with mysql-admin |
| [03:58:00] | port80: | ah |
| [03:58:00] | AlHaz: | but not with myth |
| [03:58:00] | ** port80 hopes back into his box ** | |
| [03:58:00] | Agrajag-: | AlHaz: go to your mysql config and comment out skip-networking |
| [03:58:00] | AlHaz: | Agrajag-: did that hours ago |
| [03:59:00] | port80: | and restarted mysql a few times since? |
| [03:59:00] | Agrajag-: | you don't have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt do you? |
| [03:59:00] | Shorty`: | I'm looking |
| [03:59:00] | Shorty`: | also |
| [03:59:00] | Shorty`: | did you flush privileges; ? |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | root@persephone:~ # ssh root@aphrodite "cat /etc/mysql/my.cnf | grep networking" |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | Password: |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | # The skip-networking option will no longer be set via debconf menu. |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | # You have to manually change it if you want networking i.e. the server |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | skip-networking |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | seems fine. |
| [04:00:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: just to make sure it wasn't a priviliges issue, i used phpmyadmin to change the account to mythtv@% and gave it full admin priviliges |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | did you flush privileges;? |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | like I said |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | go on the command line |
| [04:00:00] | Agrajag-: | does connecting from command line work? |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | and try and connect to the sql server manually |
| [04:00:00] | AlHaz: | phpmyadmin did it for me |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | so at least you know it's not an account |
| [04:00:00] | AlHaz: | fine, whatever |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | *no* |
| [04:00:00] | Shorty`: | it didn't. |
| [04:01:00] | AlHaz: | Agrajag-: it creates one every time i run mythtv-setup |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | alhaz@type:~$ mysql -umythtv -p |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | Enter password: |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | Your MySQL connection id is 5 to server version: 4.0.24_Debian-10-log |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | mysql> |
| [04:03:00] | AlHaz: | satisfied? |
| [04:04:00] | Shorty`: | so it's a config error in myth. :> |
| [04:04:00] | AlHaz: | mythtv-setup has a config error? |
| [04:04:00] | Shorty`: | strace it. :) |
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| [04:05:00] | AlHaz: | traced. What shall i grep for in this? |
| [04:06:00] | Shorty`: | look for where it's trying to connect to sql |
| [04:06:00] | Shorty`: | see if there's any relevant errors. |
| [04:09:00] | AlHaz: | access("/usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/.", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| [04:09:00] | AlHaz: | access("/usr/local/bin/sqldrivers/.", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| [04:09:00] | AlHaz: | write(2, "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:"..., 34QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
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| [04:09:00] | AlHaz: | Probably not good, looks like I'm missing libqt3-mysql |
| [04:09:00] | AlHaz: | you'd think autoconf would notice that |
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| [04:10:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, that was it |
| [04:10:00] | Shorty`: | file a bugreport on the package |
| [04:11:00] | AlHaz: | Yeah, will do. |
| [04:12:00] | AlHaz: | <-- test & integration engineer at a linux-based software company |
| [04:12:00] | Shorty`: | < — Sysadmin, ISP :> |
| [04:14:00] | AlHaz: | been there, done that |
| [04:14:00] | AlHaz: | I hate your jog :) |
| [04:14:00] | AlHaz: | er, job |
| [04:14:00] | Shorty`: | ahah, noshit |
| [04:14:00] | Shorty`: | I gotta get myself a nice quiet room with no phones |
| [04:14:00] | Shorty`: | then I'll be happier |
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| [04:15:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: It's my considered opinion that it helps to work for a relatively small isp |
| [04:15:00] | Shorty`: | we're not THAT big |
| [04:15:00] | AlHaz: | Airswitch was fun to work at until the investors went totally insane |
| [04:15:00] | Shorty`: | largish though |
| [04:15:00] | AlHaz: | I worked in the noc at IKANO for six months . . . . they're lucky i didn't go postal |
| [04:15:00] | Shorty`: | first name basis with the guy with the money.. so |
| [04:16:00] | AlHaz: | they're a big, ugly, evil meta-isp |
| [04:16:00] | AlHaz: | owner is a first class scumbag |
| [04:16:00] | Shorty`: | we've been gettting alot of those Sunfire z20's in |
| [04:16:00] | Shorty`: | they're nice. |
| [04:16:00] | Shorty`: | grunty++ |
| [04:16:00] | AlHaz: | heh |
| [04:16:00] | Shorty`: | 1ru dual opteron :> |
| [04:17:00] | AlHaz: | Anyway, the admin stuff would be fine if people would just let you do your job |
| [04:17:00] | Shorty`: | I've got too much to do I find. |
| [04:17:00] | AlHaz: | what killed me at airswitch was senior executives who were only there for the dotcom glow who would come marching into the noc and bark orders at everyone with no basis in reality |
| [04:17:00] | Shorty`: | ahahahhaahahah |
| [04:18:00] | AlHaz: | guys who were only senior executives because they bought in with some large amount of dough |
| [04:18:00] | AlHaz: | we had this VP who owned a mortgage company, a check verification service, and a collection agency |
| [04:19:00] | AlHaz: | e.g. corporate shark |
| [04:19:00] | AlHaz: | and somehow this qualified him to tell me what i should be doing with the network |
| [04:19:00] | AlHaz: | or demand people be fired because he didn't like their tie, or whatever |
| [04:20:00] | AlHaz: | so my friend at Lineo said "come here, test software, we're nicer, we pay better" |
| [04:20:00] | Shorty`: | ahh |
| [04:20:00] | AlHaz: | it was a great two years. Guess how long it takes to burn through about 38 million dollars while buying up failing embedded systems vendors. |
| [04:22:00] | Shorty`: | ahhaha |
| [04:23:00] | Shorty`: | 2 years? :P |
| [04:23:00] | AlHaz: | we had investors treating us as basically money laundering |
| [04:24:00] | AlHaz: | "I'm going to give you $10M, but i want you to take $8M and buy this other company I happen to be heavily invested in" |
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| [04:24:00] | AlHaz: | we were a conduit for golden parachutes :/ |
| [04:24:00] | Shorty`: | you still there? |
| [04:25:00] | AlHaz: | Lineo? no. they tanked, got bought by Metrowerks |
| [04:25:00] | AlHaz: | about six people are still there |
| [04:25:00] | AlHaz: | I work for a little company called Helius now |
| [04:25:00] | Shorty`: | welcome change eh? :P |
| [04:26:00] | AlHaz: | well, the year on unemployment, and the year doing front line isp tech support, and the six months doing graveyard shift admin kinda sucked . . . |
| [04:26:00] | AlHaz: | when the tech market tanked in utah, it tanked hard |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | I once applied for a job at this outfit that makes dental office management software |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | a testing job |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | had a friend there in support |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | i never got so much as a "thanks but no thanks" email |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | so i had him ask about it |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | he told me the HR lady said that they had 3000 applicants and hired a guy with a master's degree |
| [04:27:00] | AlHaz: | for $27k/yr |
| [04:27:00] | Shorty`: | ouch. |
| [04:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that sux |
| [04:28:00] | AlHaz: | it's getting better now |
| [04:28:00] | AlHaz: | a bit |
| [04:29:00] | AlHaz: | Helius is turning a profit, so they're not stingy with the compensation |
| [04:29:00] | AlHaz: | basically we make a high end, customizable DVB-S receiver, server, encryption system, etc, based on linux |
| [04:30:00] | AlHaz: | the end receivers typically end up running interactive distanced learning software, or digital signage software |
| [04:31:00] | Shorty`: | nice |
| [04:31:00] | AlHaz: | GM is deploying our training solution world wide |
| [04:31:00] | AlHaz: | Phizer has been using it for years |
| [04:31:00] | Shorty`: | we're makign profit, but it's all uphill from here |
| [04:31:00] | Shorty`: | the ISP market here is fucked |
| [04:31:00] | Shorty`: | ahah |
| [04:31:00] | AlHaz: | Orkin just sent us a PO for the same training system |
| [04:31:00] | Shorty`: | You've got the gang of 4, then everyone else. |
| [04:31:00] | AlHaz: | right |
| [04:32:00] | Shorty`: | (Australia) |
| [04:32:00] | AlHaz: | a lot of potential customers suddenly stood up and said "oh, you GOT that GM contract? well then we're ready to get down to business" |
| [04:32:00] | Shorty`: | it's funny that |
| [04:32:00] | AlHaz: | az – so you've got telstra, um . . . . . shit, I used to know more ozzie isps |
| [04:32:00] | Shorty`: | get someone else to see if it's viable so they don't waste the money :P |
| [04:33:00] | Shorty`: | Telstra, AAPT, Optus and now iiNet |
| [04:33:00] | AlHaz: | the place i worked graveyard at – IKANO – they're a bottom feeder |
| [04:33:00] | Shorty`: | used to be OzEmail but iinet ate them up. |
| [04:33:00] | AlHaz: | dial access contracts with every telephone company in the states |
| [04:33:00] | Shorty`: | heh |
| [04:33:00] | AlHaz: | and just re-sell as some sort of 4th tier middleman |
| [04:33:00] | Shorty`: | DSL is finally taking off here |
| [04:33:00] | Shorty`: | in a *big* way |
| [04:34:00] | AlHaz: | that's good |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | *nod* |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | bandwidth's the issue soon :) |
| [04:34:00] | AlHaz: | I *heart my 1.5M link |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | we've only got 655gbit to the US :P |
| [04:34:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it costs the same here for optical as it does for cable |
| [04:34:00] | JohnnyQuest: | you just have to pay an installation fee |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | where's 'here' ? |
| [04:34:00] | JohnnyQuest: | florida |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | ah right |
| [04:34:00] | Shorty`: | costs us a bit |
| [04:35:00] | Shorty`: | well, for the point to point fibre run |
| [04:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya it does |
| [04:35:00] | AlHaz: | here in Utah, a bunch of cities are participating in a metropolitan broadband project |
| [04:35:00] | Shorty`: | gbit is like .. $4K a month |
| [04:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but once it run, same monthly as cable |
| [04:35:00] | AlHaz: | multimode fiber to the home |
| [04:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | its* |
| [04:35:00] | Shorty`: | AlHaz, nice.. |
| [04:35:00] | AlHaz: | Shorty`: the demark limits it to 100mbit or something |
| [04:35:00] | Shorty`: | I'd *love* to dig my own fibre |
| [04:35:00] | AlHaz: | and they meter the usage to something like 100GB/mo |
| [04:35:00] | AlHaz: | it's just barely starting to roll out |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | ahah |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | that's what I do on 1.5mbit DSL? :P |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | I mean |
| [04:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i have a really ncie connection i get to use at my school, i dont know wath ti is.. |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | uh |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | .. |
| [04:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but i dl at around 7mb a second sometimes |
| [04:36:00] | Shorty`: | probably 100mbit or gige. |
| [04:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | if the source is fast enough.. |
| [04:37:00] | Shorty`: | *nod* |
| [04:37:00] | AlHaz: | JohnnyQuest: my graveyard shift job was fantastic for downloading stuff |
| [04:37:00] | AlHaz: | three DS3's doing nothing at 4am |
| [04:37:00] | Shorty`: | the state I'm in has a fantastic peering infrastructure |
| [04:37:00] | vitriol: | do i need to run sound from my tv tuner card to my sound card if i want to hear what is being played? |
| [04:37:00] | Shorty`: | Every Major ISP interconnects with at least 100mbit into a fully switched network |
| [04:37:00] | miketiger: | what should i look for to play FM radio in mythtv |
| [04:37:00] | vitriol: | i'm really new to all of this stuff not meaning to ask dumb questions :) |
| [04:38:00] | AlHaz: | what freaked us out was when we were downloading a movie in 20 minutes or so |
| [04:38:00] | AlHaz: | had to be some guy at another job just like ours |
| [04:38:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: Depends on the card and how you wanna do it |
| [04:38:00] | Shorty`: | hahah |
| [04:39:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: A lot of the bt8x8 and cx8xx cards can capture digital audio |
| [04:39:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: but, not all of them. sometimes that feature isn't implemented on the board |
| [04:39:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: which capture card do you have? |
| [04:39:00] | vitriol: | tuner: type set to 2 (Philips NTSC (FI1236,FM1236 and compatibles)) by bt878 #0 |
| [04:39:00] | vitriol: | i think that identifies it |
| [04:39:00] | vitriol: | or does it? |
| [04:39:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: ok, are you running alsa or oss sound drivers? |
| [04:39:00] | vitriol: | bt878? |
| [04:39:00] | vitriol: | AlHaz: i'm running alsa |
| [04:40:00] | AlHaz: | ok, um . . . . . crap, I forget the name of the alsa btaudio driver |
| [04:40:00] | vitriol: | oh wow |
| [04:40:00] | vitriol: | there's a driver specifically for this? |
| [04:40:00] | AlHaz: | vitriol: yeah – alsa has a capture-only driver for the bt8xx chips |
| [04:40:00] | AlHaz: | snd-bt(something) |
| [04:41:00] | AlHaz: | snd-bt87x.ko here |
| [04:41:00] | AlHaz: | in 2.6 |
| [04:41:00] | vitriol: | ahh |
| [04:41:00] | vitriol: | i'm using a debian kernel so it's probably already there |
| [04:41:00] | AlHaz: | I'm running debian/sarge but my own 2.6.12.2 kernel |
| [04:43:00] | vitriol: | do you just add it to /etc/modprobe.d/sound ? |
| [04:43:00] | AlHaz: | Probably |
| [04:43:00] | AlHaz: | :) |
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| [04:44:00] | AlHaz: | I'm actually a tiny bit fuzzy on some of the debian auto-stuff |
| [04:44:00] | AlHaz: | I'm in the habit of just adding stuff to /etc/modules |
| [04:44:00] | vitriol: | i know to use alsaconf to set up alsa... |
| [04:44:00] | vitriol: | but dunno how to just add snd-bt87x |
| [04:45:00] | AlHaz: | etc/modules is just a list of drivers |
| [04:45:00] | AlHaz: | you'd just add snd-bt87x to the end of it |
| [04:46:00] | AlHaz: | if you're running hotplug, it might be loading it anyway |
| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | hmm |
| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | this is what /etc/modprobe.d/sound looks like: |
| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 |
| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | options snd-emu10k1 index=0 |
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| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | is there a syntax to follow for adding snd-bt87x ? |
| [04:46:00] | vitriol: | or is it ok to just stick it in there |
| [04:47:00] | AlHaz: | echo snd-bt87x >>/etc/modules |
| [04:47:00] | AlHaz: | that's so it'll auto-load on boot |
| [04:47:00] | AlHaz: | if you want to use it now you'll have to modprobe it |
| [04:47:00] | vitriol: | aahh |
| [04:48:00] | vitriol: | now i see what you mean! |
| [04:48:00] | AlHaz: | I own like half a dozen bt8xx capture cards but i don't have any of them in a linux box at the moment |
| [04:48:00] | vitriol: | funny that it didn't autoload before when i added the tv tuner card :\ |
| [04:48:00] | vitriol: | but oh well it's in /etc/modules now |
| [04:48:00] | ** vitriol tries running mythtv ** | |
| [04:48:00] | AlHaz: | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| [04:48:00] | AlHaz: | it'll tell you what sound cards exist |
| [04:49:00] | vitriol: | yeah it's showing a Bt878 and an EMU10K1 |
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| [04:49:00] | AlHaz: | ok, well, if i knew anything at all about configuring mythtv's backend, I'd know what to tell you about the rest of it |
| [04:49:00] | AlHaz: | but i don't |
| [04:49:00] | AlHaz: | just figuring that out now myself |
| [04:50:00] | AlHaz: | now, there is one major caviat |
| [04:50:00] | AlHaz: | that driver will load whether or not the capture card has that feature implemented |
| [04:50:00] | vitriol: | oh |
| [04:50:00] | AlHaz: | there's a few traces that have to exist between the tuner module and the controller chip |
| [04:50:00] | vitriol: | yeah it loaded just fine |
| [04:50:00] | AlHaz: | some caps, etc |
| [04:50:00] | AlHaz: | so, if you get nothing but noise, well, maybe you have to use an analog line to the sound card |
| [04:51:00] | AlHaz: | but a whole lot of bt878 cards have the audio capture implemented |
| [04:51:00] | AlHaz: | so there's a pretty good chance it'll work |
| [04:52:00] | vitriol: | dmesg says: |
| [04:52:00] | vitriol: | tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video mux driver |
| [04:52:00] | vitriol: | so hopefully it will |
| [04:52:00] | vitriol: | :) |
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| [05:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | anyone know of a program that can watch TV (on my computer) and change channels (relatively quickly, no need for rewinding/fastforwarding live TV) in a window that you can resize |
| [05:17:00] | miketiger: | xawtv? |
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| [05:20:00] | AlHaz: | I prefer xawtv for that, doesn't work for shit with the newer nvidia drivers though, so in that case use tvtime |
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| [05:21:00] | TimmyJ_: | this is a dumb question...but how do nvidia drives have anything to do w/ watching TV on a computer? (wouldn't they only be for TVout or something) |
| [05:22:00] | AlHaz: | xawtv abuses the DGA specification to set up a busmaster memory transfer between the capture card and the video card's frame buffer memory |
| [05:22:00] | AlHaz: | doesn't work with the newer binary nvidia drivers |
| [05:23:00] | AlHaz: | it tries to open the DGA channel and then disconnect from it |
| [05:23:00] | AlHaz: | which is, honestly, not that realistic |
| [05:23:00] | TimmyJ_: | does mythTV use the nvidia drivers at all? |
| [05:23:00] | AlHaz: | but it just happened to work with every video card that had xv support in xfree 4.3 |
| [05:23:00] | AlHaz: | except with the nvidia drivers |
| [05:24:00] | AlHaz: | TimmyJ_: well, yeah, it can use xvmc to display hdtv if you have a new enough nvidia card and use the nvidia drivers |
| [05:24:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i need the nvidia drivers for mythtv to work |
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| [05:24:00] | AlHaz: | JohnnyQuest: don't sweat it, it's just xawtv that's broken |
| [05:24:00] | AlHaz: | everything else works |
| [05:24:00] | JohnnyQuest: | my svideo out wont work |
| [05:24:00] | JohnnyQuest: | without the nvidia drivers |
| [05:24:00] | miketiger: | anyone here use xbox media center? |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and my xvmc wont |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ive used it |
| [05:25:00] | miketiger: | have you tried the python script for mythtv? |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | if you use avalaunch, dont change the screen settings |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it will fry for bios for the xbox |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i havnt used mythtv on the xbox |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but i used xbox media center |
| [05:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and fried an xbox with it.. |
| [05:25:00] | miketiger: | its a mythtv script for xbmc |
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| [05:26:00] | miketiger: | but its not working, looks like it hasnt been updated in a while |
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| [06:09:00] | vitriol: | i'm getting double sound...when i have myth running |
| [06:09:00] | vitriol: | and when i quit mythtv, i have one copy of the sound |
| [06:09:00] | vitriol: | this is weird |
| [06:10:00] | Chutt: | read the docs |
| [06:10:00] | Chutt: | goes over that |
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| [06:45:00] | nick125: | hi |
| [06:47:00] | Cardoe: | vitriol: just mute the capture. |
| [06:48:00] | nick125: | im having a slight issue...okok, its not slight |
| [06:48:00] | nick125: | when im watching livetv, and, sometimes when I do a alt-tab to another window (my xchat window), it will hardlock the whole system |
| [06:49:00] | Cardoe: | so don't do that. |
| [06:49:00] | Cardoe: | Doctor Doctor... when I bend my arm like this it hurts. |
| [06:50:00] | nick125: | well, it doesnt do it with recorded video |
| [06:51:00] | Agrajag-: | Cardoe: that's hardly expected behaviour... |
| [06:52:00] | nick125: | im running the latest ivtv, with the latest mythtv |
| [06:53:00] | rsilvergun: | Hi all, quick question, what does everyone use to do channel changing through mythtv? |
| [06:53:00] | Agrajag-: | the buttons on my remote |
| [06:53:00] | rsilvergun: | ooookayy.... |
| [06:54:00] | rsilvergun: | seriously though, I mean as in ir devices.... |
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| [06:54:00] | monkeyontherun: | when I start mythfrontend it opens /dev/dsp twice, one directly and one through OSS, how can I make it only use OSS? |
| [06:54:00] | monkeyontherun: | when I watch TV the audio doubles and after I shut it off I can still hear the sound |
| [06:54:00] | Agrajag-: | read teh docs |
| [06:55:00] | Agrajag-: | you need to mute the capture source |
| [06:55:00] | nick125: | any ideas? |
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| [07:05:00] | monkeyontherun: | Agrajag-, it still happened after I muted it. I'm reading the audio docs |
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| [07:12:00] | mchou: | heh, interesting |
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| [07:16:00] | monkeyontherun: | now theres no sound |
| [07:18:00] | Shorty`: | are there any web based music plugins for myth? |
| [07:20:00] | rtsai: | mythweb lets you browse your mythmusic stuff |
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| [07:24:00] | mchou: | rtsai: you seen Beirdo around lately? |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [07:24:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | off playing puzzlepirates |
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| [07:25:00] | Shorty`: | rtsai, ah fantastic |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: just heard it from the horse's mouth from AMD. M2 is for real in 2006. |
| [07:25:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [07:25:00] | mchou: | I guess a long term socket means 1.5 yrs :) |
| [07:25:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [07:26:00] | Beirdo: | they are still making Socket A |
| [07:26:00] | monkeyontherun: | when I mute line it doesn't do anything |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | at this rate I'd be better off bying servers than desktops :) |
| [07:26:00] | Beirdo: | as long as there is demand... |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | buying* |
| [07:26:00] | mchou: | servers last longer :) |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [07:27:00] | mchou: | ok, is memory 2.5-4-4–4 any good or crap? |
| [07:28:00] | mchou: | I have a chance to get that memory for $60 (OCz. never used them b4) |
| [07:29:00] | mchou: | 1GB. |
| [07:31:00] | nick125: | 2.5-4-4–4 is ok imo |
| [07:31:00] | nick125: | 0-0-0–0 is better, but, they dont make that......yet |
| [07:31:00] | mchou: | haha! That's not memory :) |
| [07:31:00] | nick125: | hehe |
| [07:33:00] | Mersault: | while scanning for games mythtv is segfaulting. I have tried this with both the latest stable via ATrpms and with svn. Any ideas how I can figure out what's going wrong? |
| [07:34:00] | rtsai: | re-configure with --compile-type=debug, and run under gdb |
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| [07:48:00] | SaucE: | Anyone here configure MythTV to work with Rogers Cable successfully? |
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| [07:53:00] | Talinom: | mchou: your memory timing isn't as relavant as the quality of the memory. I stick with Kingston or Corsair. Don't put cheap RAM in a linux box. |
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| [08:00:00] | SaucE: | I can't get the Channel Frequency Table right |
| [08:03:00] | nick125: | Talinom: what about if its his windows box? :P |
| [08:03:00] | SaucE: | su - |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | Talinom: I've used kingston (value) b4. It sux. |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | Talinom: in fact, I returned it. |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | wouldnt pass prime95. |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | OCZ is popular amongst the gaming crowd (which doesn't say much) |
| [08:12:00] | nick125: | that seems odd, i havent had issues with my kingston ram |
| [08:12:00] | nick125: | you sure you didnt get kingston and pny mixed up? :) |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | Nope. This was kingston. |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | and what surprised me was the chps themselves had no markings. |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | chips* |
| [08:14:00] | nick125: | where did you get it from? |
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| [08:14:00] | mchou: | to me that indicates low quality crap. |
| [08:14:00] | nick125: | its usually PNY thats low quality crap |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | dont remember, office max I think. |
| [08:14:00] | SaucE: | Can anyone help me? I searched the Mailing list without success |
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| [08:15:00] | mchou: | but it was clearly marked as kingston ram. |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | I've actually had good luck with PNY. Samsung and infineon chips. |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | but I know module design counts too :) |
| [08:18:00] | nick125: | speaking of low quality crap, I need to call tmobile to complain about this phone again |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | and all RAM is "cheap" these days :) |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | like 1GB is like around $80 street. |
| [08:18:00] | nick125: | *mumbles something about windows phones sucking* |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | lol. winphones. |
| [08:19:00] | nick125: | i wish tmobile would get the treo 650 |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | I went to the amd tech tour and the windows guy was talking about piracy. |
| [08:19:00] | nick125: | this h6315 sucks :/ |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | I was saying to myslef, who cares about windows? I use linux :) |
| [08:20:00] | nick125: | lol |
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| [08:20:00] | mchou: | microsoft is just digging they own grave and driving more ppl to use windows. |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | their* |
| [08:21:00] | MonMotha: | I'm actually installing windows just to see if this damn PVR-150 works at all |
| [08:21:00] | nick125: | you mean microsoft is just digging their own grave and driving more people into it? |
| [08:21:00] | MonMotha: | that's about the best use of Windows I've found in the past couple years |
| [08:21:00] | nick125: | MonMotha: having a few issues with the PVR-150? what distro btw? |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | the only reason they care so much about piracy is if sombody buys a who bunch of boxes intending to use linux on it :) |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | wole* |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | whole* |
| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | nick125: Debian. ivtv loads, see the card, svid and composite capture works great, tuner tunes a whole bunch of static |
| [08:22:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I think it's your box. |
| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | I'm thinking at this point that the tuner module may actually be defective |
| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: tried two different boxes |
| [08:22:00] | MonMotha: | compeltely different hardware |
| [08:22:00] | nick125: | MonMotha: interesting |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | ivtv output reported IRQ->169, which definitely is not correct. |
| [08:23:00] | MonMotha: | only commonality at this point is both were running 2.6.12 |
| [08:23:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: why didn't you mention that before? |
| [08:23:00] | MonMotha: | and APICs can do strange things |
| [08:23:00] | mchou: | cause I didnt think it was a big deal. |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | until I checked my own box :) |
| [08:24:00] | mchou: | which has real irqs :) |
| [08:24:00] | Talinom: | MonMotha: I just installed a PVR-150 a few hours ago. Video works great. No sound, though. |
| [08:24:00] | nick125: | though, I wonder why my box hardlocks some times when I <alt><tab> with live video |
| [08:24:00] | MonMotha: | heh, I even get sound...static :) |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | nick125: I meant M$ driving more ppl into linux :) |
| [08:25:00] | nick125: | lol |
| [08:25:00] | MonMotha: | well, I'm going to install windows and see if I can get it working in that |
| [08:25:00] | MonMotha: | I can put it in a different systemt oo |
| [08:25:00] | MonMotha: | (yet another one) |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | some lucky due won two prizes at the show tonight. Bastard! |
| [08:25:00] | mchou: | dude* |
| [08:26:00] | nick125: | WTF |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I'd try acpi=off on boot. |
| [08:26:00] | nick125: | im watching commericals when I got commerical skip :( |
| [08:26:00] | Talinom: | mchou: I used to be a linux zealot. Ran Slackware back in 1995. |
| [08:27:00] | Talinom: | Most people I know who switched over to linux, or at least made the effort, always came back to Windows. |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | Talinom: what's that mean? You run windows now? :) |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | bah. |
| [08:28:00] | nick125: | lol |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | I've been running linux since kernel 1.x |
| [08:28:00] | Talinom: | msg/ mchou: I run Windoze on my main box, OpenBSD on my DNS cache server, and KnoppMyth on my MythTV box. |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | Only reason I use windows is OCR. |
| [08:28:00] | nick125: | mchou: ive been running linux for about a year or so before i found irc :P |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | beeter packages for that in windows. |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | better* |
| [08:29:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I knwo for a fact that one system I tried this in didn't even have ACPI support in the kernel |
| [08:29:00] | nick125: | so, ive been working in linux for about 2 or 3 years |
| [08:29:00] | MonMotha: | now, this system it's in now is SMP |
| [08:29:00] | MonMotha: | and I know lots of badly written drivers are not SMP-safe |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: no doubt. |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | but for me there is no reason to use windows. |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | windows pvrs suck compared to myth :) |
| [08:30:00] | MonMotha: | I'm installing windows just to physically test the card |
| [08:31:00] | Talinom: | mchou: I run a LOT of games and really would rather just install them than fight with them. |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | I'm past the gaming stage. |
| [08:31:00] | didj: | what is use of the "callsign" field for channels? is it just a friendly name, or used internally? |
| [08:31:00] | MonMotha: | I guess I could try noacpi nosmp and see if it works |
| [08:31:00] | Talinom: | I am switching to MythTV because while I like to use my ATI AIW 9800 Pro the drivers are the sux. |
| [08:31:00] | AlHaz: | if the analog inputs will capture video i doubt acpi has anything to do with it |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | I only play RTCW once in a while now. |
| [08:31:00] | MonMotha: | usually things break pretty badly when that kind of thing is an issue |
| [08:32:00] | MonMotha: | this is just not tuning correctly |
| [08:32:00] | AlHaz: | the tuner is hanging off the i2c bus on the card, acpi doesn't know wtf it is |
| [08:32:00] | MonMotha: | exactly |
| [08:32:00] | AlHaz: | I don't have a lot of experience with ivtv. I've got a pvr250 at work but i never use it. |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: true. But the card will still need a real interrupt :) |
| [08:32:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: does it have no interrupt? |
| [08:32:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: the fact that analog capture works, says it probably has one |
| [08:32:00] | MonMotha: | unless it's wanting two |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: [23:23:01] <mchou> ivtv output reported IRQ->169, which definitely is not correct. |
| [08:33:00] | MonMotha: | APICs can do som crazy things with IRQ numbering |
| [08:33:00] | AlHaz: | uh, so, what does /proc/interrupts say? |
| [08:33:00] | mchou: | that's a fscked irq if you ask me :) |
| [08:33:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: nonsense, I've seen much crazier irq numbers on non-ia32 machines . . |
| [08:34:00] | MonMotha: | when you query the driver for what frequency it is tuned to, does it ask the card or just return the last thing it was set to? |
| [08:34:00] | MonMotha: | oh yeah, I've seen like 240 on my PDA |
| [08:34:00] | AlHaz: | sounds like ARM7 |
| [08:34:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: it asks the card. |
| [08:35:00] | AlHaz: | anyway, ivtv reporting a crazy irq is weird, but, I'm more curious if /proc/interrupts and /proc/pci say it has a normal-ish interrupt |
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| [08:35:00] | AlHaz: | but it's probably irrelevant |
| [08:35:00] | AlHaz: | But the point was |
| [08:35:00] | AlHaz: | I don't have a lot of experience with ivtv, but does it use the same tuner driver as the bttv cards? |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: I doubt it's irrelevant if it aint working. |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: no it doesnt |
| [08:35:00] | banyan: | here's a question. I want to unload ivtv-fb but it comes back as used. mythbackend is shut down. what can be using it? |
| [08:35:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: you sure? |
| [08:36:00] | MonMotha: | because that would imply that it is correctly talking to the tuner, even when I try setting it to a clearly incorrect tuner type |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: or I should say it uses a more updated tuner driver :) |
| [08:36:00] | mchou: | same v4l arch. |
| [08:37:00] | AlHaz: | iirc there are some pll arguments for the tuner that sometimes need to be set |
| [08:37:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: forget about that. That's not MonMontha's issue. |
| [08:37:00] | AlHaz: | ok |
| [08:37:00] | MonMotha: | how do you know? It's clearly tuning around, just not correctly |
| [08:38:00] | AlHaz: | is it *snow or is it just all farked up? |
| [08:38:00] | MonMotha: | I get static for audio, mostly black video with some noise |
| [08:38:00] | MonMotha: | when I tune around, the static changes |
| [08:38:00] | MonMotha: | (channel 7, for example, is actually fairly quiet, like it hit a carrier) |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I know cause you got the same tuner as I do. |
| [08:38:00] | AlHaz: | weird |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | and the same rev of the board. |
| [08:39:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: what EXACTLY did you do to install? Just make, make install in drivers, copy firmware to /lib/modules, modprobe ivtv? |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | of course hauppauge has been know to do crazy things, but AlHaz is off on this one. |
| [08:39:00] | AlHaz: | *shrug* well, don't listen to me, I've never used a pvr150 and i never really dug into the ivtv driver |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | known* |
| [08:39:00] | AlHaz: | HH is more known to do *annoying things . . . . |
| [08:39:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, they seem to change their tuner at the drop of a hat |
| [08:40:00] | Atamido: | Heh, for some reason I never read/understood the copying the firmware until I saw the error for it in the logs. |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: HH? who is that? |
| [08:41:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: just shorthand for hauppaugge. since it's pronounced "hop-hog" |
| [08:41:00] | AlHaz: | my employer is supposedly some sort of partner with HH. they barely give us the time of day so we're looking at other hardware vendors. |
| [08:41:00] | mchou: | hah. |
| [08:41:00] | mchou: | a partner w/ hauppauge. That's rich. |
| [08:42:00] | AlHaz: | we've only bought about 10,000 of their technotrend based DVB-S cards |
| [08:42:00] | AlHaz: | so we don't rate very high for them |
| [08:42:00] | MonMotha: | ah, DVB...the API that works |
| [08:42:00] | AlHaz: | and they say they only have 3000 of them left |
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| [08:42:00] | AlHaz: | of the DVB-CI-S at least |
| [08:42:00] | MonMotha: | the sad thing is that getting my HDTV tuner working was easier than getting this PVR-150 to work |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | speaking of technotrend, here iit is in july, and where tf is air2pc??? |
| [08:43:00] | AlHaz: | so, um, we haven't really told them yet, but we probably won't follow them to the next card |
| [08:43:00] | mchou: | it* |
| [08:43:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: you mean their ATSC card? |
| [08:43:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: yup. |
| [08:43:00] | ** AlHaz has one on his desk at work . . . never been installed . . . . . for like 8 months ** | |
| [08:43:00] | MonMotha: | I have a pcHDTV. Works great ) |
| [08:43:00] | MonMotha: | :) |
| [08:44:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: that's the old one. Which doesnt work on AQM |
| [08:44:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: My PVR-150MCE worked fine. |
| [08:44:00] | mchou: | QAM* |
| [08:44:00] | Atamido: | But I returned it and ordered a 500. :P |
| [08:44:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: yeah, I have one of those I'm going to be using at home, soon as i can get myth working |
| [08:44:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: hd-xine is a steaming pile of shit |
| [08:44:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: mine ALMOST works fine |
| [08:44:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: I've never even bothered installing hd-xine |
| [08:44:00] | MonMotha: | I used MythTV with it from the outset |
| [08:45:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: Ah, wasn't aware that they'd rev'd the card |
| [08:45:00] | MonMotha: | I need to hook it back up to my cable line and see if there are any unencrypted QAM channels |
| [08:45:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: when they handed it to me, there was no atsc support in the dvb core, so, it never went anywhere |
| [08:45:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: What doesn't work? |
| [08:45:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: tuning |
| [08:45:00] | MonMotha: | svid and composite captuer is excellent |
| [08:45:00] | MonMotha: | tuner captures a black screen (with al ittle static) and static for audio |
| [08:45:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: lol, you are behind the times, my man. |
| [08:45:00] | Atamido: | Tuning worked fine for me. |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | tuning around changes the static |
| [08:46:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: the Fusion HDTV5 looks like a reasonable card too, and cheap |
| [08:46:00] | Atamido: | I didn't try the other two. |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: linux compatible? |
| [08:46:00] | AlHaz: | mchou: eh, ATSC isn't a tech. that my employer actually has a product for |
| [08:46:00] | Atamido: | I was using one of the latest ivtv builds though. |
| [08:46:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: yeah, as of 2.6.11.12 |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: I've tried about 5 versions of ivtv |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | all do roughly the same thing |
| [08:46:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: like $100 for the bare card |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: not bad |
| [08:46:00] | MonMotha: | a lot cheaper than an Air2PC or a pcHDTV 3000 |
| [08:47:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: I asked on the ivtv-devel list and had one of the guys ssh to my box. :P |
| [08:47:00] | mchou: | the aver a180 is cheaper still. $70 street |
| [08:47:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: Yeah, it's just CX88 based, doesn't have the other chip on it. I'm not sure what the deal is, but the specs look good |
| [08:47:00] | MonMotha: | that would require me getting a sourceforge account |
| [08:47:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: I thought the cx88 was for analog capture |
| [08:47:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: Nah, there are DVB cards that use it too |
| [08:48:00] | AlHaz: | don't ask me why or how . . . . |
| [08:48:00] | Atamido: | Evil sourceforge! |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: it's also a pci bridge. |
| [08:48:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: pcHDTV uses it, though I thought mostly just as a frontend for their oren HD decoder and for the analog capture |
| [08:48:00] | Atamido: | Although, my problem was simply that I had the wrong cable connected. :) |
| [08:48:00] | AlHaz: | http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/ATSC5Gold.aspx |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: front end? lol :) |
| [08:48:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: heh, there's only one place to hook any form of RF cable up to this thing... |
| [08:49:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: "front end" being a rather non-technical term there...not used in the traditional DVB sense |
| [08:49:00] | Atamido: | Yeah, but I had the wrong coax cable connected. |
| [08:49:00] | MonMotha: | oh |
| [08:49:00] | MonMotha: | I definately haev the rigth cable...I've tried like 3 in fact |
| [08:49:00] | Atamido: | I had a black coax, and a white coax. One of them wasn't hooked to anything else, and that was the one I used. :P |
| [08:50:00] | AlHaz: | CX23882 as it turns out |
| [08:50:00] | MonMotha: | heh, that would not be my problem |
| [08:51:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: It was after doing several other things that it got to a point where it would work with the right cable. You can see everything I did here. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4879&start=15 |
| [08:51:00] | AlHaz: | it's also 3.3v tolerant, unlike nearly every other hd card, if you happened to be saddled with a computer that won't take 5v pci cards |
| [08:51:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: all my stuff takes 5V |
| [08:51:00] | MonMotha: | but yeah, the pcHDTV is 5V only |
| [08:51:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: mine too, but it turns out that Dell has started shipping 3.3v-only boxes |
| [08:52:00] | banyan: | here's a question. I want to unload ivtv-fb but it comes back as used. mythbackend is shut down. what can be using it? |
| [08:53:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: not surprising. The PCI guys have been saying that all cards should be universal for a while now, but nobody listened |
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| [08:53:00] | AlHaz: | MonMotha: It looks like most of the ATSC cards have an onboard regulator, maybe they just don't trust the motherboard 3.3v rail |
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| [08:56:00] | Atamido: | Wow, the next 7 days are going to be sitting at 100F with 20% humidity. |
| [08:56:00] | Atamido: | Someone kill me. |
| [08:56:00] | AlHaz: | only 20%? |
| [08:57:00] | AlHaz: | call me back when it's 40% and your AC stops working |
| [08:57:00] | Atamido: | I think after a certain temperature, humidity stops performing. |
| [08:57:00] | Atamido: | AC is barely working right now. |
| [08:57:00] | Christ0pher: | what about in the jungle atamido? |
| [08:57:00] | AlHaz: | it's the dew point that you have to look out for |
| [08:57:00] | Atamido: | I think it's broken. |
| [08:58:00] | AlHaz: | First time i visited my friend in Phoenix, i ended up going during monsoon season |
| [08:58:00] | AlHaz: | getting late into the night, he says "Come here, lemme show you what's really wrong with phoenix" |
| [08:58:00] | AlHaz: | takes me outside |
| [08:58:00] | AlHaz: | "It's 10:30pm, 105 degrees, and 35% humidity" |
| [08:59:00] | Atamido: | Phoenix would be the only place I've stepped onto asphault and had it sink beneath me because it had melted. |
| [08:59:00] | AlHaz: | the old "it's a dry heat" hasn't been true in phoenix for 20 years |
| [08:59:00] | MonMotha: | AlHaz: I don't blame them |
| [08:59:00] | MonMotha: | I've seen it get pretty wild |
| [08:59:00] | MonMotha: | I'm booting the system with the PVR-150 with nosmp noapic noacpi |
| [08:59:00] | MonMotha: | just for grins |
| [09:00:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: my pvr-500 is pretty close to runnin great ( and it's just two pvr-150s) how's your's recording? |
| [09:00:00] | Atamido: | What's a place in the Amazon? |
| [09:00:00] | Atamido: | A city name. |
| [09:00:00] | AlHaz: | Atamido: Here's the thing though, I realized after a few visits, aside from car interiors being basically on fire until the car AC gets going, i actually spend more of the summer uncomfortable in utah |
| [09:00:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: the picture quality on svideo is GREAT (I can give you a sample) |
| [09:00:00] | MonMotha: | tuner is not functional |
| [09:00:00] | AlHaz: | Atamido: even though it's usually 10–15 degrees cooler in utah, people don't have the proper respect for air conditioning |
| [09:00:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I have my tuner functional. What distro are you running? |
| [09:00:00] | AlHaz: | and half-ass it |
| [09:01:00] | AlHaz: | so it ends up being hotter inside in utah than in phoenix |
| [09:01:00] | Atamido: | AlHaz: I lived in Utah for about 1.5 years. I was fortunate though to live in the basement of a house with AC. |
| [09:01:00] | Atamido: | No crappy swamp cooler for me. :P |
| [09:01:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, I have a crappy swamp cooler |
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| [09:01:00] | AlHaz: | if the dew point gets above about 45 degrees I just go somewhere else |
| [09:02:00] | MonMotha: | actually, video seems completely black right now |
| [09:02:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: debian, though it's not the stock kernel, so that shouldn't matter |
| [09:02:00] | AlHaz: | I remember a road trip out to chicago in the summer, we spent a night in nebraska |
| [09:03:00] | Atamido: | AlHaz: Crazy mormons, bred to live off the heat. |
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| [09:03:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: what does your dmesg output show? |
| [09:03:00] | AlHaz: | Got up in the morning, took a shower, walk out of the motel room |
| [09:03:00] | AlHaz: | it was muggier outside than it was in the bathroom after a hot shower |
| [09:03:00] | stang: | What does everyone use to listen to the fm signal of their 150/500mce? |
| [09:04:00] | MonMotha: | hang on, let me try a newer version... |
| [09:04:00] | Atamido: | I was outside for a little bit just standing there at about 9pm. I was sweating and got 20+ mosquito bites. |
| [09:05:00] | Christ0pher: | stang: I haven't tried it yet... but I bet it would be an ivtvctl thing... but I could be wrong. |
| [09:05:00] | mchou: | Atamido: haha. You might get bird flu :) |
| [09:05:00] | AlHaz: | or west nile |
| [09:05:00] | Atamido: | No, the big fear here is "West Nile Virus" |
| [09:05:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: yeah, that's what I meant :) |
| [09:06:00] | Atamido: | bird flu != west nile |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | deet all the way! |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | Atamido: I know that. |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | cure is probably worse than the disease :) |
| [09:06:00] | stang: | Christ0pher, there's something in /usr/bin called radio-ivtv, but I can get any playback out of it |
| [09:06:00] | Atamido: | Stupid canadians and their canada day! |
| [09:07:00] | MonMotha: | ivtv: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for command 0x40046403! <--- that's new in the latest drivers |
| [09:07:00] | banyan: | hey! |
| [09:07:00] | stang: | Christ0pher, and it's only command line, thought there might be a slick gui built on top of it |
| [09:07:00] | mchou: | Atamido: whwn exactly is Canada day? |
| [09:07:00] | banyan: | we don't diss independence day, so don't grumble about canada day. |
| [09:07:00] | mchou: | when* |
| [09:08:00] | banyan: | 7/1 |
| [09:08:00] | banyan: | yesterday technically speaking |
| [09:08:00] | MonMotha: | ah, just forgot to run depmod |
| [09:08:00] | mchou: | banyan: heh, you you got yesterday off? |
| [09:08:00] | Atamido: | mchou: Yeah, July 1st. |
| [09:08:00] | mchou: | so* |
| [09:08:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: in your kernel do you have I2C support turned on completely? |
| [09:09:00] | MonMotha: | http://pastebin.com/306287 |
| [09:09:00] | MonMotha: | no, it's a module |
| [09:09:00] | Christ0pher: | stang: maybe this is realated... when I tell ivtvctl -q0 it chooses the first audio channel which is my tuner... maybe if you new which q to set it to, then you could use ivtv-radio. |
| [09:09:00] | MonMotha: | that error was just caused by my failing to rebuild the module dependencies |
| [09:10:00] | mchou: | sigh, some ppl are just dense. |
| [09:10:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: Do you have *'s or M's next to the I2C rows in your make menuconfig? |
| [09:10:00] | MonMotha: | s |
| [09:10:00] | banyan: | i did. |
| [09:10:00] | MonMotha: | they're all modules, that's what I just said |
| [09:10:00] | banyan: | i got the day off and slept for like 16 hours. |
| [09:10:00] | stang: | Christ0pher, thanks, I'll play around w/ it |
| [09:10:00] | banyan: | ahhh! feels great. |
| [09:10:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: do you have bitbanging interfaces on? do you have eeprom reader on? |
| [09:11:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: yes. algo-bit is loaded, but eeprom reading is not |
| [09:11:00] | MonMotha: | ivtv pulled in algo-bit |
| [09:12:00] | MonMotha: | (they are also built as modules; the entire I2C tree is) |
| [09:13:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: my working configuation on a pvr-500 has *'s for ALL I2C support except EEPROM reader which is M... and my /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 loads tda9887 before it loads ivtv. |
| [09:13:00] | MonMotha: | compilign in I2C statically goes against most of the ivtv docs recommendations, but I could try it...silly that I should have to do that though |
| [09:13:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Yours looks the same as mine. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28068#28068 |
| [09:14:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I also added 4 weird lines to my /etc/modules.d/ivtv Which made some good stuff happen. |
| [09:15:00] | banyan: | modules.d? what distro u using? |
| [09:16:00] | mchou: | AlHaz: you go by another handle when you're here, by any chance? |
| [09:16:00] | Christ0pher: | banyan: gentoo 2005.0. |
| [09:16:00] | banyan: | ah, gotcha. |
| [09:16:00] | Atamido: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [09:16:00] | Atamido: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [09:17:00] | Atamido: | For me ivtv file. |
| [09:17:00] | Atamido: | s/me/my |
| [09:18:00] | MonMotha: | ok, the current drivers are giving me a big load of nothing (black screen, no audio) on tuner. Composite input works correctly |
| [09:18:00] | Christ0pher: | For the last few days there wasn't anything extra in my /etc/moduels.d/ivtv file... but now I add options for the cx2840 like no_black_magic=1 and I set 3 options or ivtv and then set i2c_enable=1 onto a few other modules as options... I don't know if it's necessary for me or not. |
| [09:18:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: I tried that stuff. Same results |
| [09:19:00] | MonMotha: | let me go boot windows up and see if it can make the tuner work |
| [09:20:00] | Atamido: | Oh yeah, hella important. |
| [09:20:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: in my /lib/modules directory I have a symlink from ivtv-fw-enc.bin -> HcwFalcn.rom which came on the CD from Hauppauge. The right side of the CD says the disc is version 2.64A. The size of my HcwFalcn.rom is 376836 |
| [09:20:00] | Atamido: | No sense trying to get a broken card to work. |
| [09:20:00] | Christ0pher: | I mean 2.63A. (I've also had to do the cold boot quite often after making changes.) |
| [09:21:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: I'm tried both the firmware from the CD and the firmware that is "recommended" at various sites (and that makes the driver not complain to you). Same results with both |
| [09:21:00] | Atamido: | I had an old tuner module that I had to get rid of before mine started to go anywhere. |
| [09:22:00] | AlHaz: | a lot of these projects mess with the same code base without ever duking it out and integrating all their fixes |
| [09:23:00] | AlHaz: | the matrox marvel guys probably still have their own version of the msp driver |
| [09:23:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I'm also running with the V4L built into the kernel... did you have extra files in /lib/modules/kernel/extra? |
| [09:24:00] | Atamido: | I spent 2 weeks trying to get Gentoo to show video with Myth before giving up. Knoppmyth only took about 5 days. :) |
| [09:24:00] | MonMotha: | I don't think I haev an extra directory... |
| [09:24:00] | MonMotha: | all my v4l is modules |
| [09:25:00] | MonMotha: | I have moved all the conflicting modules out of the way |
| [09:25:00] | MonMotha: | notice that tveeprom knwos my card |
| [09:25:00] | Atamido: | Indeed. |
| [09:26:00] | Atamido: | You removed all the v4l versions of the modules that ivtv packs? |
| [09:26:00] | MonMotha: | correct |
| [09:26:00] | MonMotha: | WTF1?!? |
| [09:26:00] | MonMotha: | this is a 29 MEGABYTE ethernet driver for windows... |
| [09:27:00] | Atamido: | :) |
| [09:27:00] | Atamido: | 3com? |
| [09:27:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I noticed that IVTV didn't need me to delete things from the /lib/modules/kernel/media/video directory after I started building things into the kernel. I learned that the V4L kernel drivers took the right code directly from the IVTV project. |
| [09:28:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: yeah... |
| [09:28:00] | MonMotha: | they make great hardware, but their drivers are kinda...yeah |
| [09:28:00] | Atamido: | :) |
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| [09:28:00] | Atamido: | They include lots of utilities with the drivers. |
| [09:29:00] | Atamido: | Handy if you need them, but otherwise... |
| [09:29:00] | MonMotha: | yeah |
| [09:29:00] | MonMotha: | I just want the raw drivers |
| [09:30:00] | Atamido: | XP has most for most cards. |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | people seem to forget that when you'er looking for drivers for a network card, you usually want to move around a minimum amount of data |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: this is 2k |
| [09:30:00] | Atamido: | I didn't even install the ones from the 3com site this time around. |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | if windows sees something on its own, I usually just let it go unless I need more functionality |
| [09:30:00] | Atamido: | I think they also pack every single OS driver into a single install package. |
| [09:30:00] | MonMotha: | fortunately, I don't have that problem in linux |
| [09:31:00] | Atamido: | And they try to be as vague as possible which driver is the one for your OS. |
| [09:32:00] | ** Atamido waits patiently for Linux to get the level of plug and pray that Windows 95 had a decade ago. ** | |
| [09:33:00] | Christ0pher: | Atamido: tried Knoppix? |
| [09:33:00] | Atamido: | Christ0pher: KnoppMyth. ;) |
| [09:33:00] | banyan: | hey, what's ia32? I take it that's not x86. |
| [09:33:00] | Atamido: | But, the fact that one distro is getting close, but none of the others are following is not a good sign. |
| [09:34:00] | Christ0pher: | banyan: Intel Architecture 32. |
| [09:34:00] | Christ0pher: | 32-bit. |
| [09:34:00] | Christ0pher: | It is x86. |
| [09:34:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: actually, I have absolutely no problem with manually loading drivers. It seems less failure prone |
| [09:34:00] | banyan: | ok, I haven't heard ia32 before. generally x86. |
| [09:35:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Except that it isn't working for you right now. |
| [09:35:00] | Christ0pher: | Atamido: what kind of plug and play are you looking for...? doesn't lspci work for you? |
| [09:36:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: yup, first time it has EVER failed me |
| [09:36:00] | MonMotha: | and I think it's a hardware problem (or a crappy driver problem) |
| [09:36:00] | Atamido: | Having to know exactly what you have, and what mysteriously named driver, the settings to use with that driver, and how it might work with your distro is a complex game that the government is using to toy with the minds of geeks everywhere. |
| [09:36:00] | MonMotha: | I've been using Linux since 1998...I'm used to this... |
| [09:36:00] | Atamido: | I am convinced it must be a conspiracy. |
| [09:37:00] | Atamido: | How else could this insanity go on for this long? |
| [09:37:00] | Christ0pher: | Atamido: Step 1: usually eepro100 Step 2: usually nvidia-glx... Use the right hardware or else your barking up the wrong tree. |
| [09:37:00] | Christ0pher: | And throw in the emu10k1 module for ALSA also... |
| [09:38:00] | Christ0pher: | if you stick with that basic supported hardware than current multimedia linux computers need to survive... then you won't have to screw with the filthy documentation of the lesser used hardware. |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | network cards are the hardest to figure out the driver for, mostly because there's so many |
| [09:39:00] | Atamido: | Of course, emu10k1, it should have been obvious that was what someone would name the driver I need for my Audigy card. |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | in general, Linksys = tulip, onboard = eepro100, 3com = 3c95x |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | dlink = via-rhine, tulip, or dmfe, netgear = natsemi |
| [09:39:00] | banyan: | but if it's a broadcomm it'll be bc44 |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | there's lists |
| [09:39:00] | Atamido: | lol |
| [09:40:00] | MonMotha: | sound can be a pain too. Usually lspci and google works |
| [09:40:00] | Atamido: | Back to my original point.... |
| [09:40:00] | Atamido: | Setting up Linux without knowing exactly what needs to be done results in an overwhelming desire to stab an ice pick into one's own eyes. |
| [09:41:00] | MonMotha: | all I can say is that linux worked back when I had to load my drivers manually. Now that I have hotplug, I'm continuiously unbreaking things |
| [09:41:00] | Atamido: | Wait, nevermind. |
| [09:41:00] | Atamido: | I think this dead horse has already been beat. |
| [09:41:00] | MonMotha: | probably |
| [09:41:00] | ** MonMotha patches 2k to SP4 ** | |
| [09:41:00] | MonMotha: | I really need to make a SP4 slipstream installer disc |
| [09:42:00] | Christ0pher: | <--- only had to use windows for 15 minutes last month :0 |
| [09:42:00] | Atamido: | I coulda sworn I had an SP4 install CD. |
| [09:43:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, I have to use it sometimes so that I can use Cadence |
| [09:43:00] | Atamido: | <-- only had to use Linux for a few hours last month. :O |
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| [09:47:00] | ** banyan puts an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade in a cron file and goes back to his real life. ** | |
| [09:47:00] | Christ0pher: | real life? |
| [09:49:00] | banyan: | on here! |
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| [09:51:00] | MonMotha: | great, the driver for win2k appears to be broken |
| [09:51:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [09:52:00] | Atamido: | A 3com driver broken? I don't believe it. |
| [09:52:00] | mchou: | no, hauppauge |
| [09:52:00] | Atamido: | It's probably just the wrong driver. |
| [09:52:00] | Atamido: | Ak. |
| [09:52:00] | Atamido: | Ah. |
| [09:52:00] | Atamido: | That's good news then. :) |
| [09:53:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: at this point I suspect it's more likely your mobo is bad :) |
| [09:53:00] | MonMotha: | not only are their drivers broken, installing them (and it tries to!) makes win2k BSOD on startup |
| [09:53:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: not likely...the ONLY thing that has trouble with it is this card |
| [09:54:00] | mchou: | bah, believe whatever you want :) |
| [09:54:00] | MonMotha: | my HD tuner works, my BTTV tuner works, my sound card works, my IDE tuner works |
| [09:54:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: are you running norton anti-virun on your win2k!? |
| [09:54:00] | MonMotha: | my guess is that these drivers just assume you're not doing SMP or something |
| [09:54:00] | mchou: | IDE tuner? |
| [09:54:00] | MonMotha: | IDE card, sorry |
| [09:54:00] | Atamido: | VIA chipset? |
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| [09:54:00] | mchou: | well, that would probably not be too far from the truth. |
| [09:54:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: I installed 2k, installed 3com drivers, installed SP4, installed firefox, attempted to install wintv drivers |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: AMD 768 |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | it's a Tyan Thunder K7 |
| [09:55:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: when did you install chipset drivers? |
| [09:55:00] | Atamido: | Ugh, I didn't realize people actually owned those. |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: I did not. Tyan does not provide any |
| [09:55:00] | Atamido: | o_O |
| [09:55:00] | mchou: | lol. a tyan. more bugs than a roach motel. |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | (which is odd, windows bitches about it) |
| [09:55:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: and if you didn't install chipset drivers... then you get them from the chipset manufacturer. What's your Tyan Board #? |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | I've had VERY good luck with this board in Linux |
| [09:55:00] | MonMotha: | S2462 |
| [09:56:00] | MonMotha: | (and this is why I never run windows on real computers) |
| [09:56:00] | mchou: | Chipset manu is AMD :) |
| [09:56:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: yes, which means they ain't giving you drivers |
| [09:57:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: you have the shitty chipset. sorry. |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | AMD is nit a shitty chipset. |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [09:57:00] | MonMotha: | it's a frickin AMD 768 |
| [09:57:00] | mchou: | I'd say via is more crappy :) |
| [09:57:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I built my spiral box on a K7 600MHz with the Via KX-133 chipset. For that generation, you couldn't fully spec out the whole K7 with the irongate chipset. |
| [09:57:00] | MonMotha: | since when is that shitty? or are you an Intel person? |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: lol! |
| [09:58:00] | Christ0pher: | mchou: for the K7.. you must have used the viatech chipsets or you never would have had agp4x or pc133 ram |
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| [09:58:00] | MonMotha: | what? |
| [09:58:00] | MonMotha: | that has nothing to do with this board |
| [09:58:00] | MonMotha: | would it make you happier if I put it in a P4 with an Intel chipset? |
| [09:58:00] | mchou: | exactly! |
| [09:58:00] | ** MonMotha fscking hates PCs ** | |
| [09:59:00] | MonMotha: | too bad I'm sure ivtv has x86isms in it |
| [09:59:00] | MonMotha: | I'd go put it in an Alpha or something |
| [09:59:00] | mchou: | Christ0pher's comment iss just some random crap. |
| [09:59:00] | Christ0pher: | ow... i bit my tongue. ;p |
| [09:59:00] | Christ0pher: | sorry. |
| [09:59:00] | Christ0pher: | I'm reading the PDF for your board at Tyan MonMotha. |
| [09:59:00] | MonMotha: | Christ0pher: you just don't like AMD, admit it |
| [10:00:00] | MonMotha: | oh, and I didn't pay anything for this system (though I did originally build it) |
| [10:00:00] | mchou: | well, amd does have some problems :) |
| [10:00:00] | MonMotha: | so don't feel too sorry for me |
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| [10:00:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: I bought the K7 as the first computer for myself... and built my parents an XP1800+ in 2001. I love the AMDs. |
| [10:00:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: no more than Intel has their fair share |
| [10:00:00] | Christ0pher: | This P4 is very sexy though.; |
| [10:00:00] | MonMotha: | it's not like the P4 has been problem free |
| [10:00:00] | mchou: | I'd just pull one cpu off and see if it behaves any better :) |
| [10:01:00] | MonMotha: | oh, and I tried it on a P3 w/ a 440BX |
| [10:01:00] | MonMotha: | same thing happened as on my dual AMD |
| [10:01:00] | mchou: | Christ0pher: P4 is the end of the road. |
| [10:01:00] | MonMotha: | the P4 is the processor designed by marketing |
| [10:01:00] | MonMotha: | the Pentium-M is Intel's good processor |
| [10:01:00] | Christ0pher: | mchou: I'm gonna get dualcore athlons. Hopefully they'll be cheap in a year. |
| [10:02:00] | ** Atamido will be excited for the Athlon 64 x2 ** | |
| [10:02:00] | mchou: | Christ0pher: dont bother. By that time AMD would have moved on to M2 |
| [10:03:00] | MonMotha: | hell, this motherboard is AMD recommended even |
| [10:03:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: unfortunately that doesnt mean much :) |
| [10:03:00] | Christ0pher: | mchou: It costs too much to buy bleeding edge. I'd rather by something that dropped in price 70% 12 months after it hit the market. |
| [10:04:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: true, but it means they at least got it working ;) |
| [10:04:00] | mchou: | I wonder if I can pawn off windows XP 64 on ebay...... |
| [10:05:00] | mchou: | stupid windows. |
| [10:05:00] | fryfrog: | man, "The Village" was a weird movie! |
| [10:06:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: I havent seen it. Was it any good? |
| [10:06:00] | fryfrog: | i didn't think it was going to be, but it was at least decent |
| [10:06:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: are you using the 04/15/03 version of your BIOS? |
| [10:06:00] | mchou: | that was with mel gibson, right? |
| [10:06:00] | fryfrog: | no, i think that was Signs |
| [10:06:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: ah, right |
| [10:07:00] | fryfrog: | and i thought signs sucked, so thats why i wasnt interested in The Village |
| [10:07:00] | fryfrog: | the only good part about Signs was the spoof in Scary Movie 3 :) |
| [10:07:00] | mchou: | hehe |
| [10:08:00] | MonMotha: | I fail o see how any of this is likely to cause the symptoms: the tough stuff (MPEG2 capture) works, the easy stuff (running the fscking tuner) doesn't |
| [10:08:00] | MonMotha: | but let me check. I know it has been updated |
| [10:09:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: it's more likely Tyan fubared implementation of i2c bus on that board. |
| [10:09:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: and that has WHAT to do with I2C on the PVR-150? |
| [10:10:00] | MonMotha: | remember, it did the SAME DAMN THING in another computer entirely |
| [10:10:00] | MonMotha: | ABit 440BX based board, Intel P3 |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | the tuner is attached to the o2c bus. |
| [10:10:00] | mchou: | i2c* |
| [10:10:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: the I2C bus originating from the encoder on the PVR-150, not the system SMBus |
| [10:10:00] | MonMotha: | they're physically separate |
| [10:10:00] | MonMotha: | now, that's not to say that Linux might not be getting confused (but it should handle that) |
| [10:11:00] | MonMotha: | I don't believe I'm even making linux aware of the smbus right now |
| [10:11:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [10:11:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Sounds like the critical thing would be verifying that the card's tuner works at all. |
| [10:11:00] | Atamido: | Give it to me, I'll tell you. |
| [10:11:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: that's what i'm getting at...I think the tuner may be dead |
| [10:11:00] | Christ0pher: | MonMotha: and a "defaults" to the BIOS and setting up again sensibly can help too. |
| [10:11:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: the tuner doesn't hang off the system smbus |
| [10:11:00] | MonMotha: | you people seem to be ignoring the data...it breaks in the same manner in a completely different system |
| [10:11:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: coulld be, but I highly doubt that. |
| [10:12:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: no, that's definately the way it works |
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| [10:12:00] | MonMotha: | bttv tuners are the same way |
| [10:12:00] | BadaBing: | hello guyz |
| [10:12:00] | MonMotha: | the tuner, eeprom, and audio capture hang off an I2C bus that originates from the bt878 |
| [10:12:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: I was referring to this: [01:11:22] <MonMotha> Atamido: that's what i'm getting at...I think the tuner may be dead |
| [10:12:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: oh, well, ok...but it does the same thing on two systems, with 5 different driver versions |
| [10:12:00] | mchou: | lol, bttv doesnt have an encoder. |
| [10:12:00] | MonMotha: | and capture of svideo works |
| [10:13:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I'm aware...it still has a ADC and a tuner |
| [10:13:00] | MonMotha: | and the tuner is still I2C controller |
| [10:13:00] | Atamido: | Install Windows XP. :P |
| [10:13:00] | MonMotha: | *I2C controlled |
| [10:13:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: I don't have XP |
| [10:13:00] | BadaBing: | can anyone help me with this error? "Unable to open: no such device at ./ptune-ui.pl line 240" |
| [10:14:00] | MonMotha: | BadaBing: is your PVR card on /dev/video0? |
| [10:14:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: do a "dmesg > init.ivtv.txt" what's your dmesg say? |
| [10:14:00] | MonMotha: | I guess I coudl go hook my frequency counter up to the oscillator on the tuner and see if it's doing anything reasonable |
| [10:14:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha sure lemme check |
| [10:15:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Do you want it? |
| [10:15:00] | MonMotha: | Atamido: want what? |
| [10:15:00] | MonMotha: | oh, XP? naw |
| [10:15:00] | Atamido: | Windows XP. |
| [10:15:00] | MonMotha: | I may have an ancient copy laying around somewhere |
| [10:15:00] | MonMotha: | would have no service packs |
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| [10:16:00] | MonMotha: | wow...that was lucky |
| [10:16:00] | MonMotha: | I randomly pulled some CDs off the spindle and I get "Windows XP Pro" |
| [10:16:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha nothing comes back |
| [10:16:00] | Atamido: | For me, installing SP2 onto an existing Windows XP system had a 90% of causing it to not boot from never the same problem twice. |
| [10:17:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: what's your dmesg say in the init.ivtv section? |
| [10:18:00] | Atamido: | XCGJY-B3268-BF6M8-G6PHM-G4KCC |
| [10:18:00] | Atamido: | QJGCR-FYTKG-2PBBQ-BPCT7-TH69V |
| [10:18:00] | Atamido: | Two keys I'm not using. ^ |
| [10:19:00] | Atamido: | At work, we upgraded a bunch of Dells from 2k to XP. Strangely, none of them ever asked for a CD key. |
| [10:19:00] | Atamido: | Something in the Dell BIOS lets XP know that it is all good. |
| [10:19:00] | mchou: | Atamido: you sure about that? |
| [10:19:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha http://pastebin.com/306299 |
| [10:20:00] | Christ0pher: | Atamido: this channel can get in trouble for that. Plus... those keys are no good unless your XP cd is made for the matching set and has the right X##-###### number written at 3 o'clock on it. |
| [10:20:00] | Atamido: | Only system it didn't work on was more than 5 years old. |
| [10:20:00] | mchou: | Atamido: like maybe it might ask one month later :) |
| [10:20:00] | laga: | Christ0pher: these keys are completely useless because we still need the *licence*. |
| [10:21:00] | Atamido: | If he has the CD, he should have the license. |
| [10:21:00] | mchou: | lol, ppl passing XP keys in a linux channel. That's rich :) |
| [10:21:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: I don't know what your card is. It shows your driver is old. I'm using .3.6s... and they just released .3.6v... http://www.ivtv.tv/ |
| [10:21:00] | laga: | mchou: yep. |
| [10:21:00] | MonMotha: | I have a single XP license sitting around somewhere |
| [10:22:00] | Atamido: | A key isn't a license, so assuming he has one, the key should be fine. |
| [10:22:00] | Christ0pher: | I never keep my keys. I just keep my CD & License. I call Microsoft for the key... cause I keep losing mine. |
| [10:22:00] | Atamido: | Christ0pher: I think you overestimate the security of the XP CDs. |
| [10:22:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha okay I will try to update it... any advice for uninstalling? |
| [10:23:00] | MonMotha: | remove all the modules that ivtv pulls in, rm -r the ivtv directory in your modules tree, make install on the new driver tree, depmod -a, modprobe ivtv |
| [10:23:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: clean out /lib/modules/kernel/ivtv and clean out /lib/modules/kernel/extra... then build the CVS and read the install instructions.... What kernel version are you running? |
| [10:23:00] | Atamido: | Although, when I worked at Dell, most of the techs didn't even know that Office XP had an activation system. |
| [10:23:00] | mchou: | anyone by a retail a64 cpu here? Does it come with HSF? |
| [10:24:00] | Atamido: | Apparently nobody had even bothered to try installing a legal copy. |
| [10:24:00] | Atamido: | It created quite a bit of confusion when customers called about having trouble with the activation system. |
| [10:24:00] | Atamido: | "What activation?" |
| [10:24:00] | mchou: | Atamido: ha! I bet |
| [10:24:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha sorry but forgot the command for the kernel version |
| [10:26:00] | BadaBing: | MonMotha it suse 9.3 the kernel is 2.6 |
| [10:27:00] | BadaBing: | Christ0pher sorry what is the command for checking the kernel version |
| [10:27:00] | Atamido: | Ironic that even if you have a legal copy, using a cracked copy is just more convenient. |
| [10:27:00] | Christ0pher: | uname -a |
| [10:27:00] | BadaBing: | thank u |
| [10:28:00] | BadaBing: | Christ0pher "linux 2.6.11.1–21.7" |
| [10:29:00] | mchou: | Atamido: I dont get it. I thought you can install and run XP for a month or so w/o activation...... |
| [10:29:00] | mchou: | it's kind of like "demo" mode. |
| [10:29:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: which distor? |
| [10:29:00] | BadaBing: | suse 9.3 |
| [10:30:00] | mchou: | Atamido: isn't that true? |
| [10:30:00] | Atamido: | mchou: Yep, technically. |
| [10:30:00] | BadaBing: | Christ0pher I tried the tetorial from http://homerengineeringcorp.net/mythtv/myth.html |
| [10:30:00] | Atamido: | Although it still isn't legal to do without actually having a license. |
| [10:30:00] | Christ0pher: | That's an old kernel right? Cause 2.6.11.11 is what I'm runnin. |
| [10:30:00] | MonMotha: | apparently my copy of XP is broke-ass |
| [10:30:00] | mchou: | Atamido: if he has disk, then he has license :) |
| [10:31:00] | Christ0pher: | I can't use that doc... I had to go a different route to make mine work. |
| [10:31:00] | BadaBing: | Christ0pher Actually I just updated it don;t know why then |
| [10:31:00] | MonMotha: | oh, this isn't a legit disc |
| [10:31:00] | MonMotha: | I just happen to have an academic license somewhere |
| [10:31:00] | Christ0pher: | BadaBing: It shouldn't be too bad though...goto /usr/src and do an ls -l how many kernels do you see there? |
| [10:31:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: lol, what did you expect then? |
| [10:31:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I was amazed it got as far as it did |
| [10:32:00] | Atamido: | MonMotha: Let me know if you want one. |
| [10:32:00] | BadaBing: | Christ0pher 3 |
| [10:35:00] | MonMotha: | eh, I have the academic disc laying around somewhere |
| [10:36:00] | MonMotha: | it would even have SP1 |
| [10:36:00] | MonMotha: | I guess if it would make you feel better, I could try the card out in YET ANOTHER system (my desktop, which is a KT266A) |
| [10:36:00] | MonMotha: | or I have an XP system I could get ahold of tomorrow |
| [10:36:00] | MonMotha: | x86–64, but it's just running regular Xp |
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| [10:38:00] | Shorty`: | is the ivtv firmware part supposed to be this stupidly annoying? |
| [10:38:00] | laga: | umm, no. |
| [10:39:00] | laga: | it was just a matter of doing a ivtvfwextract.pl mywindozedriver.exe for me. |
| [10:39:00] | Shorty`: | wont work |
| [10:39:00] | Shorty`: | complains there's a file missing in /tmp ? |
| [10:39:00] | MonMotha: | that didn't work for me either. I had to unzip it myself |
| [10:39:00] | MonMotha: | it grabbed it then though |
| [10:39:00] | Shorty`: | ok, I'll try it again |
| [10:40:00] | Shorty`: | I'm getting frustrated |
| [10:40:00] | Shorty`: | what EXACT file do I require? |
| [10:40:00] | MonMotha: | I think it just got pissed because I was not root (why should I be) and it was trying to write to /lib/modules |
| [10:41:00] | Shorty`: | nah, I'm root.. |
| [10:41:00] | Shorty`: | root@aphrodite:/usr/src # /usr/src/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3k/utils/ivtvfwextract.pl /usr/src/pvr/pvr48xxx.exe |
| [10:41:00] | Shorty`: | /usr/src/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3k/utils/ivtvfwextract.pl: Can't open /tmp/ivtvex.13602/hcwpvrp2.sys: No such file or directory |
| [10:43:00] | laga: | Shorty`: are you using the recommended firmware? |
| [10:43:00] | Shorty`: | uh, as in one downloaded from the FTP OR the haupauge site? :P |
| [10:43:00] | Shorty`: | (tried both_) |
| [10:43:00] | laga: | there is a link somewhere on http://ivtv.tv |
| [10:43:00] | laga: | the stuff i mean is on ftp.shspvr.com. |
| [10:43:00] | Shorty`: | to be honest |
| [10:43:00] | Shorty`: | I think it's the perl script |
| [10:44:00] | Shorty`: | trying to write somethign to the /tmp directory |
| [10:44:00] | laga: | which doesn't exist and this is probably related to the wrong version of the driver.... |
| [10:44:00] | MonMotha: | newer driver versions don't have the firmware in the same place |
| [10:44:00] | Shorty`: | the number it quotes is the PID the scripts running as |
| [10:45:00] | Shorty`: | I understand this, but no-one seems to say... "here. this firmware works. use this!" |
| [10:46:00] | laga: | off to get some food |
| [10:46:00] | MonMotha: | actually, there's a recommended version |
| [10:47:00] | Shorty`: | yeh |
| [10:47:00] | Shorty`: | found that. |
| [10:47:00] | Shorty`: | just then. |
| [10:47:00] | Shorty`: | *hides under his rock* |
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| [10:52:00] | jhiver: | Hi All |
| [10:53:00] | jhiver: | Does anybody know where to purchase SECA2 CAM modules? |
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| [11:19:00] | nullguy: | Hi, I'm having problems setting up myth to use the pcHDTV HD-3000 in the States |
| [11:19:00] | nullguy: | Signal is good, and the channel scan works fine, but myth doesn't populate any of the dvb_* tables |
| [11:19:00] | nullguy: | I'm using the latest KnoppMyth |
| [11:20:00] | MonMotha: | nullguy: run azap -r <station> (set up a ~/.azap/channels.conf), then run dvbtraffic |
| [11:20:00] | MonMotha: | you should see PIDS |
| [11:21:00] | nullguy: | Yeah, I did that and got the PIDs manually |
| [11:21:00] | nullguy: | I don't see how to give them to myth though |
| [11:21:00] | MonMotha: | ok, so data is flowing |
| [11:21:00] | nullguy: | also, myth gets streams that I don't see in dvbtraffic |
| [11:21:00] | MonMotha: | you went into the channel editor and did a "scan for channels"? |
| [11:22:00] | MonMotha: | did you do a full scan? |
| [11:22:00] | nullguy: | yeah, if I tune with azap and then cat the dtv device I get a valid mpeg2 stream |
| [11:22:00] | nullguy: | tried it with full scan |
| [11:22:00] | nullguy: | and with defining frequencies first |
| [11:22:00] | nullguy: | in both cases the dvb_* tables don't get filled |
| [11:22:00] | MonMotha: | did a full scan find anything? |
| [11:22:00] | MonMotha: | oh, the dvb_* tables are not used anymore |
| [11:22:00] | MonMotha: | it uses dtv_multiplex now |
| [11:22:00] | nullguy: | ah, okay, well, when I try to watch TV I get the "no PIDs" error |
| [11:23:00] | nullguy: | hrm, dtv_multiplex has stuff in it... |
| [11:23:00] | MonMotha: | ok...in the channels table, look at the channels defined that should be digital. Is there an mplex id, service id, etc? |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | yeah |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | looks correct |
| [11:24:00] | MonMotha: | ok, and you're tuning to those channels, right? |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | well |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | I have it set to start up on channel 21 |
| [11:24:00] | MonMotha: | hum...last time I got this error was when I forgot to feed the card the firmware, but then it won't do anything (no lock or anything) |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | which I presume is stream 1 of channel 2? |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | and Ijust get a black screen |
| [11:24:00] | nullguy: | and in the log |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.298 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.316 DVB#0 DVB SI Table Parser Started |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.319 DVB#0 Using DVB card 0, with frontend pcHDTV HD3000 HDTV |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | . |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.324 DVB#0 ERROR – Unable to find channel in database. |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.325 DVB#0 ERROR – Failed to get channel options for channel |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | . |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.328 DVB#0 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using TS mode) |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | . |
| [11:25:00] | MonMotha: | use a pastebin... |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:46.330 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel s |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | etup. |
| [11:25:00] | MonMotha: | www.pastebin.com |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | 2005-07–02 04:10:47.349 DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second. |
| [11:25:00] | nullguy: | sorry |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | ok, dump the dtv_multiplex, channels, videosource, and capturecard tables |
| [11:26:00] | MonMotha: | put them on pastebin |
| [11:27:00] | nullguy: | http://pastebin.com/306331 |
| [11:27:00] | nullguy: | that's the log |
| [11:27:00] | MonMotha: | I ended up setting most of this up by hand so that I could use zap2it for guide data (since the on-air guides around here are useless) |
| [11:27:00] | nullguy: | dumping tables now.... |
| [11:27:00] | MonMotha: | put the output of dmesg up too, for reference |
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| [11:30:00] | nullguy: | okay, everything's there |
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| [11:30:00] | swim_: | hi |
| [11:30:00] | nullguy: | \nick jtwang |
| [11:31:00] | nullguy is now known as jtwang | |
| [11:31:00] | jtwang: | hi swim) |
| [11:31:00] | swim_: | im trying to check my pvr-150 by catting /dev/video0 and am getting: cat: /dev/video0: Device or resource busy,, any ideas why it might be busy? |
| [11:31:00] | jtwang: | mythtv-backend has it open |
| [11:31:00] | jtwang: | (by default) |
| [11:31:00] | jtwang: | you can change the setting in mythtv-setup |
| [11:31:00] | jtwang: | under capture cards, "open when necessary" or something like that |
| [11:31:00] | ceales: | Does anyone have experience of pvr 350 (output) with NOVA-T DVB card in the UK? |
| [11:32:00] | swim_: | jtwang: isnt that a good setting to have though? should I just kill myth-backend for now? |
| [11:32:00] | jtwang: | yeah, if you kill myth-backend you should be able to open /dev/video0. |
| [11:32:00] | MonMotha: | jtwang: wow, that's hard to read since it's not sidescrolling it... |
| [11:33:00] | jtwang: | I suspect that you would have more latency starting watching/recording a channel if myth has to open it |
| [11:33:00] | jtwang: | MonMotha: yeah, not sure how to persuade it to do so. |
| [11:33:00] | jtwang: | What columns are you interested in? |
| [11:33:00] | swim_: | thx jtwang |
| [11:33:00] | MonMotha: | jtwang: can you throw it in a text file on a webserver |
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| [11:34:00] | jtwang: | yeah, one sec |
| [11:34:00] | jtwang: | http://web.mit.edu/jtwang/www/myth_dump.txt |
| [11:36:00] | MonMotha: | jtwang: ok, without my DB to compare against (my mythtv server is off right now, actually), I'm not sure I can help much |
| [11:36:00] | MonMotha: | it looks like it's seeing channels and everything |
| [11:37:00] | ceales: | Has anyone heard of a PVR 350 stuttering (both video and audio) on output – it is not using a lot of CPU. |
| [11:37:00] | MonMotha: | what channel were you trying to tune to? |
| [11:38:00] | jtwang: | tune to channel on start was 21 or 51 |
| [11:38:00] | jtwang: | (i.e. I tried both) |
| [11:39:00] | swim_: | asf |
| [11:39:00] | MonMotha: | dump the cardinput table too |
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| [11:41:00] | jtwang: | k, ssame file |
| [11:41:00] | swim_: | hmm trying to play test.mpg from: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg Im getting Setting up LIRC support..mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: Connection refused Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing test.mpg. Seek failed ... and nothing plays |
| [11:42:00] | swim_: | i forgot how i fixed that before |
| [11:42:00] | jtwang: | ack, it got munged. one sec... |
| [11:42:00] | jtwang: | ok, now |
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| [11:43:00] | jtwang: | what card are you using swim? |
| [11:43:00] | jtwang: | ah, pvr-150 |
| [11:43:00] | jtwang: | yeah, I don't have any experience with that, so I dunno |
| [11:44:00] | swim_: | hmm k |
| [11:44:00] | jtwang: | for NTSC video I've only used framegrabber cards |
| [11:44:00] | jtwang: | and those, the output from /dev/video0 is pretty useless |
| [11:44:00] | MonMotha: | jtwang: I have no clue why it's not working. It looks pretty much like my database |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | it may just be that I'm tired (I am) and should go to sleep (I think I will) |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | it's almost 5AM here and I have an appointment at 10 |
| [11:46:00] | jtwang: | yeah, same time here |
| [11:46:00] | jtwang: | and I have to drive a friend to the airport at 7:45.... |
| [11:46:00] | jtwang: | that's okay, I'm an engineer. I'm highly trained to not need sleep. |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | same here |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | actually, even worse...I'm an engineering student |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | apparently Rose-Hulman students get like 4 hours of sleep/night on average |
| [11:47:00] | laga: | how do i burn a CD with mythmusic? i can't find it in the menu ;) |
| [11:47:00] | jtwang: | oh joy |
| [11:47:00] | jtwang: | I just graduated from MIT. all-nighters are fun. |
| [11:47:00] | MonMotha: | oh yeah |
| [11:47:00] | MonMotha: | wow, you may have actually heard of Rose-Hulman...may |
| [11:47:00] | jtwang: | anyways, ok, myth has vanquished me again. |
| [11:48:00] | jtwang: | (this is my third or fourth crack at it) |
| [11:48:00] | MonMotha: | I'm currently dealing with a PVR-150 that I think may just be defective |
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| [11:49:00] | nullguy: | ow, falling off the 'net sucks. |
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| [11:49:00] | jtwang: | anyways, I guess I'll ask later when more people are awake. |
| [11:50:00] | Atamido: | It could be a problem between the chair and the keyboard. |
| [11:50:00] | MonMotha: | frequently is...the challenge is pinpointing the problem further |
| [11:50:00] | jtwang: | you could try sticking the PVR-150 into a windows box? |
| [11:51:00] | jtwang: | yeah, I'm done debugging this for tonight. thanks all. |
| [11:51:00] | jtwang: | oh yeah, for the record |
| [11:51:00] | jtwang: | there was a fun bug before I even got this far |
| [11:52:00] | jtwang: | I have a cx88-based NTSC capture card in the same machine |
| [11:52:00] | jtwang: | and when the machine comes up |
| [11:52:00] | jtwang: | cx88-atsc and cx88-dvb both load |
| [11:52:00] | jtwang: | along with cx8800 |
| [11:52:00] | jtwang: | leading to a barrel of fun |
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| [11:53:00] | jtwang: | \quit bedtime |
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| [12:31:00] | ceales: | Anyone using the tvout of a PVR 350 in the UK? I am getting stuttering output – I wonder if anyone knows how to fix it? |
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| [12:55:00] | BadaBing: | hey guyz anyone got the FW file for the Humpa.. 250 MCE |
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| [13:16:00] | WasPhantom: | Hi all, I'm currently investigating using MythTV with a DVB/CI/CAM configuration for Sky NZ ( digital satellite )..... but I'm at a loss as to what DVB Card, and in turn CAM would be suitable for use with my sky card.... |
| [13:36:00] | Christ0pher: | WasPhantom: does hauppauge make a card that works for you? |
| [13:37:00] | WasPhantom: | I'm just noticing that Dragon may have released something capable of emulating NDS..... |
| [13:37:00] | Christ0pher: | so what kind of signal would you be having written to a file? an mpeg2? or a yuv? |
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| [13:41:00] | fatmatt: | WasPhantom: if you've got a satellite box already, you could try recording from the video out on that and setting up IR external channel change stuff |
| [13:42:00] | WasPhantom: | yeah, that is one option.... I don't have a satellite box already..... :) |
| [13:43:00] | WasPhantom: | but it looks like the Dragon CAM does what I need it to do..... ( in regards to the decryption of the channels.... ) |
| [13:44:00] | laga: | emulating things is umm probably illegal – we don't discuss this stuff here, usually |
| [13:44:00] | fatmatt: | whats the footprint of the SkyNZ satellite? reckon it would reach Melb... |
| [13:44:00] | WasPhantom: | possibly..... not sure to be honest..... |
| [13:45:00] | laga: | WasPhantom: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Softcam |
| [13:45:00] | WasPhantom: | laga, it will be using a valid subscription..... |
| [13:45:00] | laga: | doesn't matter. |
| [13:45:00] | WasPhantom: | oh? hmmmm... |
| [13:45:00] | fatmatt: | thats an interesting concept, I wonder if it's illegal for me to pirate the signal of a paytv operator not operating in my country? |
| [13:46:00] | WasPhantom: | ahh ok.... |
| [13:46:00] | laga: | WasPhantom: i'm not trying to be an ass ;). but most pay tv providers only allow you to use their equipment. |
| [13:46:00] | laga: | WasPhantom: i'd say it's some kind of legal greyzone. |
| [13:47:00] | WasPhantom: | yeah, fair enough eh..... |
| [13:48:00] | fatmatt: | laga: depends on the contract/servic agreement |
| [13:48:00] | laga: | WasPhantom: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . sb=post_time |
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| [13:49:00] | laga: | WasPhantom: i use a modified dboxII with mythtv. i guess i'm not allowed to use their service anymore, but at least i use the same hardware ;) |
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| [14:03:00] | Spida: | hi |
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| [14:13:00] | didj: | are the 'User Jobs' always executed after every capture->transcode? |
| [14:15:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im having trouble getting lirc to work |
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| [14:15:00] | JohnnyQuest: | when i run /usr/bin/irw, i get an error that says "connect: connection refused" |
| [14:16:00] | didj: | JohnnyQuest: lircd running ? |
| [14:17:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
| [14:17:00] | JohnnyQuest: | well, i started it |
| [14:17:00] | JohnnyQuest: | Starting infrared remote control daemon: [ OK ] |
| [14:18:00] | didj: | check in ps |
| [14:18:00] | didj: | ps aux | grep -i lircd |
| [14:18:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lirc_dev is in there |
| [14:18:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [14:18:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ill check that too |
| [14:19:00] | JohnnyQuest: | root 2230 0.0 0.0 4560 680 pts/2 R+ 08:18 0:00 grep -i lircd |
| [14:19:00] | didj: | guess its died at some point ;) |
| [14:19:00] | didj: | config might be broken |
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| [14:20:00] | didj: | lircd waits for a client (irw,irxevent,etc) to connect before it really does anything |
| [14:20:00] | JohnnyQuest: | why would it be dying? |
| [14:20:00] | didj: | if it cant access your h/w, itl just die |
| [14:20:00] | podge: | Does anyone here use an AverTV DVB-T 777 card? |
| [14:22:00] | didj: | JohnnyQuest: try running lircd -n, then irw on another terminal |
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| [14:24:00] | JohnnyQuest: | bash: lircd: command not found |
| [14:24:00] | didj: | on gentoo at least, its /usr/sbin/lircd |
| [14:25:00] | JohnnyQuest: | Usage: /etc/init.d/lircd {start|stop|status|restart|condrestart} |
| [14:34:00] | didj: | yea, thatl launch the daemon, but its dying after its been launched (most probably trying to access the device when a client connects) |
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| [15:18:00] | WasPhantom: | anyone else watching live 8? |
| [15:19:00] | fryfrog: | i thought only girls watched that? |
| [15:20:00] | WasPhantom: | heh |
| [15:20:00] | WasPhantom: | dunno.... U2 live is a good start to the coverage |
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| [15:47:00] | emacsen: | why is MythTV so impossible to install? |
| [15:47:00] | stoffel: | it may not be easy, but not impossible, i'm using it right now |
| [15:48:00] | emacsen: | Well I've tried many installations, none worked |
| [15:49:00] | emacsen: | I tried manually several times with Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, KnoppMyth |
| [15:49:00] | emacsen: | the closest was an old version of KnoppMyth that loaded, but never got channel lineups |
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| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | anybody in here know the difference between avidemux and avidemux2 ? Is there one? |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | (besides the number "2" ?) |
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| [16:18:00] | Chuji: | Anyone ever get mythrecipe installed? |
| [16:20:00] | Tommck: | never tried. |
| [16:21:00] | Tommck: | never felt the need to cook in my living room :) |
| [16:22:00] | cyeoh: | I don't suppose anyone could tell me why I don't get the "Channel Options – DVB" menu (I'm using 0.18 with dvb support compiled in) |
| [16:22:00] | cyeoh: | ...this is in the mythtv-setup program |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck: | no idea |
| [16:22:00] | ** Tommck doesn't use DVB ** | |
| [16:23:00] | ** Chuji has a tv in his kitchen ** | |
| [16:23:00] | Chuji: | Can't seem to get the damn thing to compile though |
| [16:23:00] | ** cyeoh had to edit the makefiles to get it to link ** | |
| [16:24:00] | Tommck: | Chuji – ahh.. my wife and I decided that we would have no televisions on our first floor at all |
| [16:24:00] | Chuji: | cyeoh : on mythrecipe? |
| [16:24:00] | cyeoh: | actually on anything that linked to qt |
| [16:25:00] | cyeoh: | for some reason the makefiles generated didn't include qt on the link lines |
| [16:25:00] | Chuji: | cyeoh : Yeah, I did that for finding the /usr/share/qt dir |
| [16:25:00] | Chuji: | but only in one spot |
| [16:34:00] | AlHaz: | Chuji: Dunno what to say, man, I'm using DVB but I'm not sure what menu you're referring to |
| [16:34:00] | AlHaz: | but I'm a mythtv n00b |
| [16:34:00] | AlHaz: | er, cyeoh: |
| [16:35:00] | cyeoh: | AlHaz: from some instructiosns I've read, when adding a new channel using the channel editor, |
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| [16:36:00] | cyeoh: | I should get a Channel Options – Common, then vlvideo, then dvb menu |
| [16:36:00] | AlHaz: | ah, I'm not using channel editor |
| [16:36:00] | cyeoh: | how do you add the channels? |
| [16:37:00] | ** cyeoh is very new to all of this – not sure how everything is meant to fit together ** | |
| [16:38:00] | ** Tommck has never used channel editor ** | |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | I just use Zap2It |
| [16:41:00] | AlHaz: | yeah, that's what I'm doing |
| [16:42:00] | Tommck: | cyeoh – are you in the US? |
| [16:42:00] | AlHaz: | but I'm in north america with an hdtv tuner |
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| [16:44:00] | emacsen: | Anyone here using KnoppMyth? |
| [16:45:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – not in a long time. |
| [16:46:00] | emacsen: | Tommck: well I have it up. I'm just not really sure how the mythtv-setup works |
| [16:46:00] | emacsen: | I can't tell if it's finding my card or not, what to do, etc |
| [16:47:00] | Tommck: | did you add your card in the setup? |
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| [16:48:00] | emacsen: | I *think* so, but it just says generic |
| [16:48:00] | emacsen: | does that mean it's not finding it? |
| [16:48:00] | emacsen: | MythTV seems almost like an OS onto itself |
| [16:48:00] | Tommck: | nahhh.. |
| [16:48:00] | Tommck: | takes more tinkering than an OS :) |
| [16:49:00] | emacsen: | heh |
| [16:49:00] | emacsen: | seriously, I grok the OS, not Myth |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | join the club :) |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | it just takes some time.. |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | what kind of card? |
| [16:50:00] | emacsen: | PVR250 I believe (if not, it's a 350) |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | does it have s-video out? |
| [16:50:00] | emacsen: | yeah |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | it's a 350 |
| [16:50:00] | emacsen: | k :) |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | the 350 is the only card with s-video OUT.. |
| [16:50:00] | emacsen: | it's been a long time since I opened it :) |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | the others should have IN only |
| [16:51:00] | emacsen: | gotcha |
| [16:51:00] | emacsen: | so do you know what it should say? |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck: | what should say? |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck: | what is "it" in that question? |
| [16:51:00] | emacsen: | it being the setup |
| [16:51:00] | emacsen: | should it say something specific about the card? |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | uhh.. you have to tell it about the card |
| [16:52:00] | emacsen: | How many other people have said "I'd pay for a fully built myth box" :) |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | I am installing transcode (so that nuvexport will work)... should I do the release candidate or 0.6.14?? |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – I'm sure a few :) |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | some people do that.. it's a beginning industry... |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | the problem is maintenance :) |
| [16:54:00] | Tommck: | it's better to have built it so that you know how to fix it when it breaks :) |
| [16:58:00] | emacsen: | who? whee? |
| [16:58:00] | emacsen: | I've only seen two, and they're both out of buisness |
| [16:58:00] | emacsen: | at this point, I have more money than time |
| [16:58:00] | emacsen: | well, if it's self contained, why does it need maintence |
| [16:58:00] | emacsen: | anyway, it'd be doable (maintence that is) if you did updates from the net |
| [16:59:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – yeah, but you'd have to charge a LOT of money for the maintenance, I think |
| [17:00:00] | emacsen: | why? |
| [17:00:00] | emacsen: | what breaks? |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | I have a recurring issue with zero-length recordings... can't figure it out yet. |
| [17:01:00] | Tommck: | it especially sucks when you're recording something that is only on once :) |
| [17:02:00] | emacsen: | okay, so when there's a new MythTV, you send an update |
| [17:02:00] | emacsen: | same way TiVO does |
| [17:02:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – Tivo controls the hardware |
| [17:03:00] | emacsen: | RIGHT |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck: | so, you'd have to do the same thing |
| [17:03:00] | emacsen: | I'm saying I'd pay $800+ for a prebuild Myth box |
| [17:03:00] | emacsen: | you sell me a box I can install in < an hour, I'll buy it |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – I think it would cost a lot more to deal with tech support and dumbasses |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | and buy a PC... and cards... and making sure the drivers are stable... |
| [17:04:00] | emacsen: | right. that's the trick :) |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | gotta remember, this isn't developed by a company, but by a community. |
| [17:04:00] | emacsen: | could be both :) |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | it's awesome, don't get me wrong, but it's a different model... I think you'd be patching a lot. |
| [17:04:00] | emacsen: | MythTV could sell support |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | and you'd need to set up an auto-upgrade system too |
| [17:04:00] | emacsen: | auto-upgrade is easy |
| [17:06:00] | jmblack: | well, having the box auto-upgrade itself IS easy, keeping it from breaking during that upgrade is another matter :) |
| [17:06:00] | emacsen: | but honestly- take someone like me. I love computers. Been using GNU/Linux since 1997 |
| [17:06:00] | emacsen: | tried to install mythTV many times- never worked for me, despite me buying two different computers for hardware! |
| [17:06:00] | emacsen: | Many friends say "Why don't you just buy a TiVO?" |
| [17:06:00] | emacsen: | Well 1) I want Free Software 2) I want to archive shows 3) I want the other media functions like MythWeather |
| [17:07:00] | cyeoh: | Tommck: I'm in Australia |
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| [17:10:00] | GeckoFiend: | emacsen did you follow something like Jarods guide? |
| [17:10:00] | emacsen: | GeckoFiend: which is Jarod's? Right now I'm using KnoppMyth |
| [17:11:00] | emacsen: | I'm at the mythtv-setup stage |
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| [17:12:00] | GeckoFiend: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [17:12:00] | GeckoFiend: | MUCH better than using KM imo |
| [17:13:00] | GeckoFiend: | definitly since you have Linux experiance |
| [17:13:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – if I had known you knew GNU/Linux, I would have recommended just using whatever distro you want |
| [17:14:00] | mchou: | GeckoFiend: heh he said he couldnt get it up thiugh :) |
| [17:14:00] | mchou: | though* |
| [17:14:00] | Tommck: | uh huh huh |
| [17:14:00] | Tommck: | I've got some spam mail that can supposedly help you with that problem :) |
| [17:14:00] | mchou: | bah! |
| [17:15:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh if you can't get Myth running using jarods guide even after buying hardware then you've not done you home work. |
| [17:15:00] | mchou: | frys has a 200GB seagate drive on sale for $49 today..... |
| [17:15:00] | mchou: | think I need to go pick it up. |
| [17:15:00] | Tommck: | crap... I have to install a non-standard ffmpeg to get nuvexport to work?? |
| [17:15:00] | GeckoFiend: | PVR250 + nForce2 board = Myth from scratch in an afternoon |
| [17:17:00] | mchou: | pvr250 + virtually any board = Myth from scratch in an afternoon |
| [17:17:00] | mchou: | except C3 :) |
| [17:18:00] | mchou: | in fact the older the box, the faster it goes :) |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | mchou – 200GB is too small |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:18:00] | laga: | pvr 250 + sarge + compiling own packages from CVS on a 450 mhz machine and forgetting half of the compile-time options = myth in 2 days ;) |
| [17:18:00] | mchou: | not at $0.25/GB :) |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I hate this "one per household" crap |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | mchou – there are only so many drive connections |
| [17:19:00] | mchou: | Tommck: you got friends and relatives, right? :) |
| [17:19:00] | emacsen: | GeckoFiend: Fedora eh? |
| [17:19:00] | emacsen: | I'm not a fan of Fedora, but OK |
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| [17:19:00] | Tommck: | mchou – yeah, but it's too much of a hassle |
| [17:19:00] | emacsen: | After this I may have to turn to the dark side |
| [17:19:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – dark side? |
| [17:19:00] | emacsen: | Buy a TiVO, then run OS X or something |
| [17:20:00] | mchou: | Tommck: lemme know when you find a good deal on >=400GB drive :) |
| [17:20:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – I have a Tivo and I don't even use it anymore.. |
| [17:20:00] | Tommck: | had it for 5 years now |
| [17:20:00] | emacsen: | Tommck: sell it to me ;) |
| [17:20:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I'll get back to you :) |
| [17:20:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – my wife likes to keep it for insurance, because Myth still screws up enough to leave her uncomfortable |
| [17:20:00] | mchou: | haha.... |
| [17:21:00] | mchou: | how does myth screw up? |
| [17:21:00] | Tommck: | mchou – zero length recordings... |
| [17:21:00] | Tommck: | (for one) |
| [17:21:00] | mchou: | it's never screwed up on me (except operator error) |
| [17:21:00] | mchou: | Tommck: never had that problem. |
| [17:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | last time I had a zero length recording was about a year ago and was fixed by a newer version of the ivtv driver |
| [17:21:00] | ** rtsai has also given away his TiVo ** | |
| [17:22:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – happens to me with both ivtv and pcHDTV drivers |
| [17:22:00] | jmblack: | seems to be limited to DVB these days... Ive been using ivtv never had an issue |
| [17:22:00] | emacsen: | Tommck: another question... how feasable would it be to have two PVR cards? |
| [17:22:00] | Tommck: | emacsen -easy |
| [17:22:00] | mchou: | Tommck: then you got a permission problem somewhere :) |
| [17:22:00] | Tommck: | I have 4 |
| [17:23:00] | Tommck: | mchou – permissions? |
| [17:23:00] | mchou: | emacsen: same here |
| [17:23:00] | Tommck: | it's all writing to the same directory |
| [17:23:00] | emacsen: | Tommck: okay, so I'm going to do this all over again, I guess |
| [17:23:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – why not? It's only time :) |
| [17:23:00] | mchou: | Tommck: file permission/console perms. |
| [17:23:00] | emacsen: | Tommck: I work 11–12 hours a day |
| [17:23:00] | Tommck: | mchou – what would make one recording work and another fail though? |
| [17:23:00] | emacsen: | my weekends are precious |
| [17:23:00] | mchou: | emacsen: and you have time to watch tv? :) |
| [17:24:00] | Tommck: | emacsen – quit your job |
| [17:25:00] | mchou: | Sigh, 5 hrs of Tour the France coverage today. |
| [17:25:00] | mchou: | I really need that hard disk :) |
| [17:25:00] | monkeyontherun: | when I start Myth it opens /dev/dsp twice, is that supposed to happen? |
| [17:25:00] | Tommck: | I'm trying to get nuvexport to work and have to install lvemux because of it.. |
| [17:25:00] | Tommck: | lvemux' site says "lvemux is based on a MODIFIED ffmpeg-0.4.8. this packages must be patched |
| [17:25:00] | Tommck: | and recompiled before building lvemux:" |
| [17:26:00] | Tommck: | can anyone verify that this is true? |
| [17:26:00] | Tommck: | I have to remove ffmpeg and install a special version? |
| [17:28:00] | ** Tommck is very irritated at how difficult it is to get nuvexport working ** | |
| [17:28:00] | mchou: | Tommck: why bother? |
| [17:28:00] | ** Tommck thinks it'll be another 5 seconds until someone tells him to fix it himself ** | |
| [17:28:00] | Tommck: | mchou – huh? |
| [17:28:00] | mchou: | Stire it all on hard disk :) |
| [17:28:00] | mchou: | Store* |
| [17:29:00] | Tommck: | mchou – trying to burn DVDs for my cousin in Iraq |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: you are a putz |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:29:00] | Tommck: | mchou – i already have 1.2TB :) |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: I think the lvemux comes with it's own version of ffmpeg, but you only need lvemux if you are using mpeg2cut |
| [17:30:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – but ffmpeg was required by avidemux2 which was required by nuvexport... |
| [17:30:00] | Tommck: | guess I was supposed to know that I had to install lvemux first? |
| [17:30:00] | mchou: | Tommck: bah, just ship him the whole drive. |
| [17:30:00] | Tommck: | mchou – and a MythBox to view on? |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | avidemux2 is also only needed for mpeg2cut operation |
| [17:30:00] | mchou: | Tommck: why?? It's all mpeg2 |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – and that's what I need to do :) |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I am trying to dump mpegs to disk so I can combine them into a single DVD with menus |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | I don't want to waste a DVD for a 1/2 hour show |
| [17:32:00] | mchou: | Tommck: bah. way too much trouble even if nuvexport was working. |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: bah. You are being a putz. it's not too much trouble if he wants to take the time |
| [17:32:00] | Tommck: | mchou – well, I'd rather make things convenient for my cousin who is in fear for his life everyday :) |
| [17:33:00] | mchou: | Tommck: you can blame GWB for that one. |
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| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh, that doesn't help him much though |
| [17:33:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I don't blame anyone.. and I'm not getting into a discussion on that topic |
| [17:33:00] | mchou: | I'm just saying it didnt have to be that way :) |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | of course it didn't |
| [17:34:00] | rtsai: | Tommck: so does it have to be DVDs, or could it be, say, AVI files (or some other format) to play on a PC? |
| [17:34:00] | Tommck: | mchou – get over it... we're there... this is the facts NOW.. There's no use whining about how things COULD have been... |
| [17:34:00] | Tommck: | rtsai – DVDs |
| [17:34:00] | mchou: | now if you said afghanistan that would have been a differnt story :) |
| [17:35:00] | Tommck: | rtsai he wants to watch them as DVDs... it will also allow him to share them with his friends |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: nobody wants to argue politics, give it up |
| [17:35:00] | laga: | sad |
| [17:35:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – so I need to uninstall the ffmpeg I have and avidemux2 and reinstall the lvemux versions? |
| [17:35:00] | laga: | it's always fun to watch |
| [17:36:00] | mchou: | On a 4th of July wkeend politics is pertinent :) |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: I don't think so |
| [17:36:00] | ** Tommck is so sick of people making everything f-ing political ** | |
| [17:36:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – then how do I get lvemux installed? |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: you are the only one who cares |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: by using a package? |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – oh... there are RPMs? |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | it doesn't actually RUN ffmpeg |
| [17:37:00] | mchou: | Tommck: get over it. Everything is political :) |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | it uses code from it |
| [17:37:00] | ** Tommck ignores mchou ** | |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | mchou: no politics, nobody cares today |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – yeah... but I haven't found an RPM for lvemux though (at least for SuSE) |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | look for lve |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – ah.. ok... will do |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | shocker... found that immediately :) |
| [17:39:00] | Tommck: | anyone using newer IVTV drivers on a PVR150 or 500 here? |
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| [17:39:00] | Tommck: | or, better yet, anyone NOT getting the couple of squiggly lines (VBI data) at the top of their recordings with a PVR150 or PVR500? |
| [17:40:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I need mplayer installed for it too? |
| [17:40:00] | mchou: | Tommck: what the hell are you talking about? |
| [17:40:00] | mchou: | no squigglies for me |
| [17:40:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I have 3 or so lines of squiggly white stuff that is the VBI data... |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | the main IVTV guy (can't remember his name) told me "that's normal" |
| [17:41:00] | laga: | Tommck: chris kennedy? |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | it's how the closed captioning is sent |
| [17:41:00] | mchou: | normal? |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | laga – yeah |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | and, because of overscan, it's never displayed on a normal TV |
| [17:42:00] | mchou: | heck, it's not even displayed on my comp monitor. |
| [17:42:00] | Tommck: | I asked when it would be fixed and he said that it's normal |
| [17:42:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [17:42:00] | Tommck: | mchou – what driver version? |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: yes, you need mplayer |
| [17:42:00] | laga: | beb |
| [17:42:00] | laga: | heh* |
| [17:42:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – thanks |
| [17:42:00] | laga: | bye, gotta get drunk and see my favourite bands ;) |
| [17:42:00] | Tommck: | laga – enjoy |
| [17:42:00] | mchou: | 3.2x works just fine. |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | I'm using 0.3.2z and it's there |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | ;) |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | it's a little old |
| [17:43:00] | mchou: | well, too bad. |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | but, I could have sworn that Chris said it wouldn't be fixed |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | I'll look into it then |
| [17:43:00] | mchou: | a little old?? |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [17:43:00] | mchou: | like why would you care as long as it works? |
| [17:44:00] | Tommck: | mchou – well, it doesn't really work if you count the squiggly lines |
| [17:44:00] | mchou: | there is no need to upgrade 4x/day. |
| [17:44:00] | mchou: | Tommck: like I said, there are no squigglies. |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | mchou – so you're saying I'm imagining it? |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | what's with the animosity today? |
| [17:45:00] | mchou: | Tommck: no, I'm saying it doesnt appear on at least one version of the driver. |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | right... but then you tell me not to upgrade |
| [17:46:00] | jmblack: | Tommck: I think hes saying you need to downgrade your driver to 3.2x ;) |
| [17:46:00] | mchou: | last time I checked z>x |
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| [17:46:00] | Tommck: | what a smarmy pain in the ass you are mchou |
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| [17:47:00] | mchou: | Tommck: whatever. |
| [17:47:00] | mchou: | Tommck: you're the one whining about ivtv and nuvexport. |
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| [17:49:00] | mchou: | Tommck: I think to need to get a DVD tivo and get it over with. |
| [17:49:00] | mchou: | you*^ |
| [17:50:00] | Saturn5: | Tommck, i wish the HDtv players would have support for mythtv stuff |
| [17:50:00] | Saturn5: | like you get your cable companies hdtv set top box a |
| [17:50:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I never said that |
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| [17:50:00] | Saturn5: | and use firewire or somethign to connect to your mythtv |
| [17:51:00] | mchou: | Tommck: I know you didnt, but at the rate you carry on you might as well have. |
| [17:51:00] | Tommck: | mchou – I think you need to find a hobby and stop antagonizing people |
| [17:51:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [17:52:00] | Atamido: | Good grief, don't you people ever sleep? |
| [17:52:00] | GotD0t: | Atamido: its 11:52AM where i am |
| [17:52:00] | Atamido: | Go get a real man's time zone. |
| [17:52:00] | GotD0t: | and considering that you're saying that... im assuming you dont ever sleep :-P |
| [17:52:00] | GotD0t: | because it must be some ungodly hour there |
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| [18:03:00] | brejc8: | Anyone else getting compile errors on the latest svn? |
| [18:04:00] | brejc8: | Along the lines of: "i386/dsputil_mmx.c:618: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'" |
| [18:08:00] | Tommck: | last time I got latest, it was still CVS :) |
| [18:08:00] | twisted_one: | yay |
| [18:09:00] | twisted_one: | how hard is it to setup a diskless mythbox? |
| [18:09:00] | twisted_one: | just a front end machine obviously |
| [18:09:00] | Tommck: | twisted_one – I don't know... how hard is it to set up a diskless linux box? |
| [18:11:00] | mchou: | It's not difficult. You main issue would probably be swap. |
| [18:11:00] | mchou: | your* |
| [18:11:00] | mchou: | or load the frontend with enough memory that you dont need swap :) |
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| [18:12:00] | monkeyontherun: | is mythtv supposed to open /dev/dsp twice if I am using OSS? |
| [18:13:00] | mchou: | you can have a network block device, but I've not tried that, dont know how well that works. |
| [18:13:00] | mchou: | i.e. NOT NFS. |
| [18:24:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [18:25:00] | twisted_one: | how much ram would it take provided Im running this as a 100% myth frontend box so the barest WM out there with mythfrontend running |
| [18:28:00] | ** Tommck takes a SWAG at 512MB? ** | |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | If it's a minimal wm just running myth frontend then 256 is more than enough |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | though of course, the more the better |
| [18:29:00] | Tommck: | is it worth buying less than 512 now? |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | he asked minimal,not cheapest per meg :) |
| [18:30:00] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx - :) |
| [18:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | personally I would never buy less than 512 if it was new |
| [18:30:00] | Tommck: | me neither |
| [18:30:00] | twisted_one: | I just bought a gig yesterday =) |
| [18:31:00] | Tommck: | I'm trying a nuvexport to DVD... man... serious CPU usage. Of course, I expected that |
| [18:31:00] | twisted_one: | but I have 256 lying about which I can toss in there |
| [18:31:00] | jhiver: | hi all |
| [18:31:00] | twisted_one: | screw it, I'll just use a disk in the front end, I have a spare 40gb one |
| [18:31:00] | twisted_one: | jhiver: hey |
| [18:32:00] | jhiver: | i've been considering building a satellite PVR, but I can't decide wether I should go for a DVB-S sat card + a CAM module or just a capture card (i.e. hauppage 350) + an IR blaster |
| [18:32:00] | jhiver: | what's best in your opinion? |
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| [18:34:00] | jhiver: | come on lads, surely you /must/ know something about it :) |
| [18:34:00] | jhiver: | I'm just wondering what will work best with MythTV |
| [18:34:00] | Tommck: | I'm guessing the sat card would be better |
| [18:34:00] | twisted_one: | I would htink so as well but I dont know how hard they are to get working |
| [18:34:00] | Tommck: | otherwise, you're taking a digital signal to analog and back to digital.. lossy |
| [18:35:00] | jhiver: | yeah, that is something to take into account I guess |
| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | I'm just talking about quality. |
| [18:35:00] | Tommck: | don't know anything about DVB cards |
| [18:35:00] | jhiver: | mhhh |
| [18:35:00] | jhiver: | to add to the fun, CAM modules are pretty rough to get your hands on |
| [18:36:00] | jhiver: | I've been told I would need an aston SECA 2 compatible CAM card |
| [18:36:00] | jmblack: | ...or get an external cable box (sat box?!) with a working firewire port on it |
| [18:36:00] | jhiver: | and a DVB card that work with K prime, whatever that means... |
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| [18:37:00] | jhiver: | well, I'll just go and take a look at the sat box I have been provided with (it costs like 6 euros a month to rent it...) |
| [18:38:00] | jhiver: | LNB out, audio R/L, and RS232 port on the box |
| [18:38:00] | jhiver: | I guess I could try and plug a serial cable on the RS232 and see what's in :) |
| [18:38:00] | jhiver: | although I would have to fiddle to find speed, bit parity, etc |
| [18:39:00] | Tommck: | can nuvexport be run on a remote front end? |
| [18:40:00] | jhiver: | I'm tempted by the video capture card + IR blaster option because I can solve problems one by one |
| [18:40:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – how's that different from the sat card? |
| [18:40:00] | jhiver: | if I go with the sat card option I might not be able to get it to work and horror, end up using windoze :) |
| [18:40:00] | jhiver: | well, there are a few things |
| [18:40:00] | jhiver: | the video capture uses standard coax |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – I would email the -users mailing list and ask anyone if they have a DVB-S card working...and get some details |
| [18:41:00] | jhiver: | the sat card uses K', and I need to have the proper CAM module for the SECA2 encryption to work... |
| [18:41:00] | Tommck: | I'll take your word for it. I don't know any DVB stuff |
| [18:42:00] | jhiver: | good idea, I'll just do that |
| [18:42:00] | jhiver: | do any of you guys actually use IR blasters? |
| [18:42:00] | jhiver: | how well do they work? |
| [18:42:00] | ** Tommck doesn't ** | |
| [18:42:00] | jhiver: | Tommck, how do you change channels? |
| [18:42:00] | jmblack: | jhiver: they work well, but serial control is still preferred by far |
| [18:42:00] | twisted_one: | just doing a real quick search of the list archives... DVB-S cards are working |
| [18:43:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – on my OTA stuff, it's just a tuner and I use a serial cable to control my DirecTV boxes |
| [18:43:00] | jhiver: | oh ok |
| [18:43:00] | jhiver: | well, that's interesting, because my set top box has serial port |
| [18:43:00] | jhiver: | do you know where I could find some info to see if I can do the same thing you're doing? |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – see if anyone else has it working.... I had to dig up a perl script that worked on my particular box |
| [18:44:00] | jhiver: | that would be solving one problem |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | |
| [18:44:00] | jhiver: | sure, ok :) |
| [18:44:00] | Tommck: | get the EXACT model number of the box and search on that and "serial cable" ? |
| [18:44:00] | jhiver: | yeah, I'll do that |
| [18:45:00] | jhiver: | if it can work with serial cable, then I think the easiest route will be to get a well supported video acquisition card and forget about the dvb stuff |
| [18:45:00] | jmblack: | btw, I assume your in Europe... DirectTV/Dish only work with their external settop boxes and are incompatible with DVB |
| [18:45:00] | jhiver: | Well, I am but I am not |
| [18:46:00] | jhiver: | I live in reunion, which is a french department, which is a european country |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | jhiver - ? |
| [18:46:00] | jhiver: | except that reunion is located near mauritius, in the indian ocean |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | ah |
| [18:46:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [18:46:00] | jhiver: | so it's administratively in europe, but geographically nearer south africa |
| [18:47:00] | jhiver: | however the standards should be pretty much the same... |
| [18:47:00] | jmblack: | ahh, so yolu would be dealing with DVB (not directtv/dish) |
| [18:47:00] | jhiver: | yeah I would |
| [18:47:00] | jmblack: | k, just making sure :) |
| [18:47:00] | jhiver: | DVB-S with SECA 2 / Mediaguard encryption |
| [18:48:00] | jhiver: | since I don't know how to hack the stuff (might not be worth the hassle anyway), I would need a proper CAM module, but it's hard to get your hands on them |
| [18:48:00] | jhiver: | in fact I don't know where to buy one in europe :( |
| [18:49:00] | jmblack: | External Cable Box is the best way to go assuming you can get one with a working firewire port on it ;) avoids all the encryption issues that way |
| [18:49:00] | jhiver: | no firewire, but I could always plug the coax on a video capture card... |
| [18:50:00] | jhiver: | although I would loose some quality because of the digital <-> analog <-> digital conversion |
| [18:50:00] | jmblack: | yeah, that would lose some quality (but work good.) |
| [18:50:00] | jhiver: | I suppose the good thing about DVB cards is that what you receive *IS* mpeg, so there isn't much work to do to record it... |
| [18:51:00] | jmblack: | the real issue is HD, anything with higher quality then standard television is going to get lost in that conversion |
| [18:51:00] | jmblack: | digital <-> analog <-> digital |
| [18:51:00] | jhiver: | well, I don't think we are there yet, so no worries :) |
| [18:52:00] | jmblack: | if it stays digital then you get to keep the quailty if its there... |
| [18:52:00] | jmblack: | :) |
| [18:52:00] | jhiver: | yeah that is definitely a more elegant solution |
| [18:52:00] | jhiver: | so you're using firewire? I guess you don't need any capture or dvb cards at all |
| [18:53:00] | jhiver: | maybe it would be worth trying to see if there would be a compatible set top box I could buy and use |
| [18:53:00] | jmblack: | another thing to worry about... xmltv support, without proper tv guide data myth isnt much use... |
| [18:53:00] | jhiver: | well, the provider has all this info on his website |
| [18:54:00] | jhiver: | and I'm pretty confident I can write a perl script to scrape the info and produce XML feeds |
| [18:54:00] | jhiver: | perl munging is no problem for me :) |
| [18:56:00] | jhiver: | ok |
| [18:57:00] | jhiver: | the set top box is a thomson dv3 DiSEqC 1.2 |
| [18:59:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – if it is truly a normal serial cable, all you need is a serial cable... the trick is having a program to send the right stuff to the ports for changing the channels |
| [18:59:00] | Tommck: | is it a 9-pin connector? |
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| [19:01:00] | rah: | could anyone who's got a db created from cvs mythtv give me a listing of the tables they have? |
| [19:01:00] | jhiver: | I'll just go and count :) |
| [19:02:00] | rah: | or, could anyone tell me which tables I can safely delete, given I have extraneous ones? |
| [19:02:00] | Tommck: | jhiver – not familiar with typical serial cables? |
| [19:02:00] | jhiver: | yep, 9 of them |
| [19:02:00] | Tommck: | rah – how do you know they're extraneous? |
| [19:03:00] | poonj: | hey guys, need some help. I'm trying to get my pcHDTV 3000 to work using DVB in mythtv in my debian unstable box. The card is recognized using the modules compiled from the 2.6.12 kernel. when I try to setup the card under mythtv-setup using the DVB listing, the card is successfully recognized, but it doesn't list the card information (such as pcHDTV 3000) and it can't scan for channels. I read somewhere that I need to c |
| [19:03:00] | poonj: | ompile the mythtv source to include certain kernel headers for the card. Which options for compilation do I use to include the kernel headers I used? |
| [19:03:00] | rah: | Tommck: somebody here said they are |
| [19:03:00] | Tommck: | rah – where would they have come from? |
| [19:03:00] | rah: | Tommck: a release version |
| [19:04:00] | rah: | which created the tables |
| [19:04:00] | Tommck: | rah – oh.. well, does it really matter? |
| [19:04:00] | rah: | Tommck: yes |
| [19:04:00] | Tommck: | why? |
| [19:04:00] | rah: | because I would like to know where and how mythtv stores its data |
| [19:04:00] | Tommck: | ok |
| [19:04:00] | rah: | extraneous tables are inhibitive |
| [19:05:00] | Tommck: | well, I don't know what tables are extra, but you could always look at the code |
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| [20:28:00] | markw_: | any myth users in san diego running a pchdtv with cox? |
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| [20:31:00] | poonj: | hey guys, anyone here build mythtv using the apt-build in debian? |
| [20:31:00] | poonj: | I'm having some trouble and needed some help |
| [20:31:00] | poonj: | I'm typing in apt-build install mythtv |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | and I get the error Unable to find source information for mythtv at /usr/bin/apt-build line 475 |
| [20:32:00] | markw_: | huh? |
| [20:32:00] | markw_: | you trying to tweak a .deb? |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | well |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | I needed to customize the dvb support |
| [20:32:00] | poonj: | for my pchdtv-3000 for a 2.6.12 kernel |
| [20:32:00] | Chuji: | make ; make install |
| [20:33:00] | poonj: | okay, I guess I do it that way |
| [20:33:00] | poonj: | install of using the .deb source package |
| [20:38:00] | markw_: | poonj: apt-get source for mythtv |
| [20:38:00] | markw_: | poonj: then go into the directory it creates and edit debian/rules |
| [20:39:00] | markw_: | select your compile options. |
| [20:39:00] | markw_: | from the debian mythtv source directory, run "debian/rules binary" |
| [20:40:00] | markw_: | and it will build a new mythtv .deb |
| [20:40:00] | markw_: | poonj: I just loaded the latest knoppmyth |
| [20:40:00] | markw_: | it has pchdtv 3000 support. |
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| [20:41:00] | markw_: | however I'm figuring out channels. doing a channel scan right now for qam channels. |
| [20:42:00] | ** markw_ tries to figure out what to do when this is done scanning as it doesn't seem to add the channels it found. ** | |
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| [20:47:00] | sphing: | does anyone know if its possible to get myth on an xbox without installing linux on it |
| [20:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: I doubt it :) |
| [20:48:00] | sphing: | hmm |
| [20:48:00] | sphing: | xbox myth has awful docs |
| [20:50:00] | markw_: | anyone using a pchdtv 3000 with cable? |
| [20:53:00] | phoner: | is there a way to have two media store directorys? |
| [20:54:00] | CanadaBoy: | sphing: u using xbox mythtv ? |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | phoner: To store myth recordings in ? |
| [20:54:00] | phoner: | yea |
| [20:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, currently there is no support for that, though there is a lot of talk about methods of adding it on the -dev mailinst list |
| [20:55:00] | phoner: | is there a raid type that works at the directory level? |
| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | no :) |
| [20:55:00] | phoner: | aww |
| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless you count setting up the raid and mounting it to adirectory as normal :) |
| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | lvm might be an option |
| [20:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | though I've never had need to use lvm |
| [20:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | though I suppost that's almost not a directory level thing |
| [20:56:00] | phoner: | was trying to use disk space on the system drive as well as a spare drive |
| [20:58:00] | sphing: | CanadaBoy: I'm trying to |
| [20:58:00] | phoner: | suppose I could write an sql update that would flop the two |
| [20:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | phoner: Well, you could move the recordings, and update the setting for where the recordings are located if that's what you mean by flop them |
| [20:59:00] | phoner: | yea |
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| [21:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | No need to manually update the sql, just use myth to update it (but doing it by hand is simple as well( |
| [21:00:00] | hicks: | Anyone had a problem before where mythtv won't change to certain channels, yet xine or mplayer will play those channels? |
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| [21:14:00] | [311]: | hey, im setting up knoppmyth with a pvr-150. does anyone have a howto on installing this card specifially? |
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| [21:16:00] | [311]: | do i set the source as v4l card, or pvr250/350? |
| [21:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | is it a pvr 250/350? |
| [21:17:00] | [311]: | 150 |
| [21:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | then yes |
| [21:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | pvr 250/350 |
| [21:17:00] | [311]: | okay thanks |
| [21:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | i just bought a 150 myself |
| [21:17:00] | Rhapsody2: | CircuitCity had them for $60 |
| [21:17:00] | [311]: | nice, i just got a 150 and a wintv. |
| [21:18:00] | [311]: | i was running a radeon 7500aiw with the gatos drivers. |
| [21:18:00] | Rhapsody2: | how did u install the gatos drivers? |
| [21:18:00] | Rhapsody2: | did u recompile x.org? |
| [21:18:00] | [311]: | yep |
| [21:18:00] | Rhapsody2: | i tried, had problems, so i was going to go with another video card, lol |
| [21:19:00] | [311]: | compiled it from source on mandrake |
| [21:19:00] | Rhapsody2: | i have fedora |
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| [21:19:00] | Rhapsody2: | i might just use a nVidia GeForce 2 MX |
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| [21:19:00] | [311]: | it was pretty crappy though. couldnt get video and tuner to work |
| [21:19:00] | [311]: | im going to use the radeon for the video card since it has dvi output for my plasma tv |
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| [21:20:00] | Rhapsody2: | then do u need gatos for dvi? |
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| [21:20:00] | Rhapsody2: | better be careful with a plasma tv, it can burn-in if it displays the same screen for a while |
| [21:21:00] | Rhapsody2: | i.e. the mythtv main screen |
| [21:21:00] | [311]: | nope |
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| [21:22:00] | Rhapsody2: | do i need to do anything special to use the video out on a nVidia or will it just work? |
| [21:22:00] | [311]: | not sure. depends what the driver supports |
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| [21:23:00] | Rhapsody2: | is there a way i can check if a motherboard supports drives larger than 137GB before buying it? |
| [21:23:00] | [311]: | i would say that most new motherboard will support it. even a 5 year old msi board im using supports a 200 gig |
| [21:24:00] | Rhapsody2: | my 4-year-old ASUS does not, nor does it support ATA/133 |
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| [21:24:00] | [311]: | time for a new board lol |
| [21:25:00] | Rhapsody2: | yea, i found one with a processor (AMD Sempron 2200) for a good price but i don't know if it does |
| [21:25:00] | Rhapsody2: | http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7vig+pro+d |
| [21:26:00] | [311]: | hmmm, i would serach through some reviews. i still think any new board will support large drives though |
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| [21:30:00] | Rhapsody2: | it says Ultra DMA |
| [21:30:00] | Rhapsody2: | ok i think i might go for it |
| [21:31:00] | Rhapsody2: | it is $139.99 CAD for it and the AMD Sempron 2200 |
| [21:31:00] | Rhapsody2: | that is about $100 USD |
| [21:31:00] | Atamido: | Go all out and get the Athlon 64 x2 |
| [21:31:00] | Rhapsody2: | plus 15% sales tax |
| [21:31:00] | Atamido: | You can get it and a board for a mere $600. |
| [21:32:00] | Rhapsody2: | i don't need the best stuff, i think i will be okay with that |
| [21:32:00] | Rhapsody2: | i have the hardware encoder PVR-150 |
| [21:32:00] | Atamido: | Sure, but this would let you reencode to MPEG-4 on the fly. |
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| [21:33:00] | Rhapsody2: | currently i have a Pentium 3 1GHz, and i would keep it if it just supported drives larger than 137GB |
| [21:34:00] | [311]: | my mythbox is a p4 1.7 with 512ddr, and it works great even with software encoding |
| [21:34:00] | Rhapsody2: | besides i could always encode it to a MPEG-4 after on my eMac G4 1.25GHz |
| [21:34:00] | stoffel: | linux doesn't need the bios to use large drives. just create a small /boot partition and you should be set |
| [21:35:00] | Rhapsody2: | the bios says 200GB in the setup |
| [21:35:00] | Rhapsody2: | but on the screen just before the boot loader comes up it says 136GB |
| [21:35:00] | Rhapsody2: | i did that once with a 160GB and it wrote to it all wrong a permanently broke the hard drive |
| [21:36:00] | Rhapsody2: | although that was using crappy Windows |
| [21:36:00] | Rhapsody2: | so far i only use drives over 137GB with my Mac |
| [21:38:00] | stoffel: | i have a 180GB hdd in an asus board which afair only supports up to 120GB drives and everything works fine. The board is an Asus CUV4X-D and about 4–5 years old |
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| [21:38:00] | Rhapsody2: | my mistake, my board is Gigabyte |
| [21:39:00] | stoffel: | it's a PIII-850GHz and only supports ATA-100 |
| [21:39:00] | Rhapsody2: | i have an ASUS CUV4X in another of my machines |
| [21:39:00] | Rhapsody2: | should i use that? |
| [21:40:00] | stoffel: | that should work fine |
| [21:40:00] | Rhapsody2: | hmm... i will see, i still think i should upgrade to ATA/133 and everything |
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| [21:43:00] | [311]: | should i be using tuner1 or tuner2 with the pvr150? |
| [21:48:00] | Rhapsody2: | if it is your only tuner, then 1, no? |
| [21:50:00] | [311]: | well, i think it sees the fm tuner aswell. so it could be 1 or 2 |
| [21:50:00] | Atamido: | Tuner 1. |
| [21:51:00] | Atamido: | There are 5 tuners listed for the PVR-150 I believe. |
| [21:51:00] | Atamido: | You only use the Tuner 1 of each type. |
| [21:51:00] | [311]: | okay now in the install. i finished configuring so i hit escape to goto the main mythtv menu and it didnt. it downloaded the listings and is now sitting at that terminal window |
| [21:51:00] | Rhapsody2: | will Roxio (Adaptec) Toast Titanium allow me to burn DVD Videos w/o trying to re-encode the MPEG-2 recorded by a PVR-150? |
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| [21:52:00] | Atamido: | Wow, Roxio has some of the worst software in existence. |
| [21:52:00] | Atamido: | But I have no idea. |
| [21:52:00] | [311]: | so how do i get to the main mythtv window from here? |
| [21:52:00] | Rhapsody2: | i hate their software to but i love Toast, that is the only piece of software i will use from them |
| [21:53:00] | Rhapsody2: | i have not had any problems with Toast |
| [21:54:00] | [311]: | it keeps downloading channel info from zap2it. |
| [21:54:00] | Atamido: | [311]: mythtv |
| [21:54:00] | Atamido: | Or startmythtv |
| [21:54:00] | Atamido: | Something like that. |
| [21:55:00] | [311]: | im using knoppmyth so i cant get to a terminal |
| [21:55:00] | Atamido: | [311]: It takes a while to download all of the channel info. |
| [21:55:00] | [311]: | it did download it 3 times now |
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| [21:56:00] | Atamido: | It will download it for each day for a week or so I think. |
| [21:56:00] | [311]: | ohhhh okay. |
| [21:56:00] | Atamido: | Read the dates and data amounts. :P |
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| [22:01:00] | poonj: | hey guys, anyone here try building mythtv through apt-build in debian? |
| [22:02:00] | poonj: | I'm not sure if the debian binary packages include dvb support for the PCHDTV-3000 |
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| [22:22:00] | jasoncohen: | poonj, i have |
| [22:22:00] | jasoncohen: | poonj, not in ubuntu though- i did so in sid |
| [22:22:00] | jasoncohen: | i have a list of dependencies for mythtv, mythdvd, mythmusic, mythvideo w/ all plugins enabled. i can send it to you in a private message if you want |
| [22:22:00] | jasoncohen: | i found apt-get build-dep mythtv didn't satsify many of the dependencies i needed |
| [22:23:00] | jasoncohen: | i just downloaded the .18 source and compiled |
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| [22:27:00] | [311]: | when at the mythtv main screen. how can i get back to settings. i think i selected the wrong tuner |
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| [22:28:00] | vladster: | I get an error when I am trying to set up the myth tv data base |
| [22:28:00] | vladster: | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| [22:29:00] | vladster: | Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?) |
| [22:29:00] | vladster: | any clue as to what went wrong? |
| [22:31:00] | rah: | it's using an incorrect username/password? |
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| [22:32:00] | ** mocker discovers that mythgame isn't in the plugins package for Ubuntu in 0.18.1 :( ** | |
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| [22:32:00] | vladster: | how do I crowbar it to the correct user and password |
| [22:35:00] | [311]: | any ideas how i can get back to the main config from the main screen? |
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| [22:39:00] | mocker: | vladster: updatedb |
| [22:39:00] | mocker: | locate mysql.txt |
| [22:39:00] | mocker: | Should have connection info in there probably. |
| [22:40:00] | [311]: | why does myth keep crashing when it tries to get channel info |
| [22:41:00] | vladster: | Has anyone been able to get the 2.6.12 kernel installed in debian? |
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| [22:43:00] | ** markw_ hits watch tv and doesn't get anything but a pause and a return to the main myth menu. ** | |
| [22:43:00] | ** markw_ checks logs... ** | |
| [22:43:00] | [311]: | okay. what about: on my pvr150. do i want to select tuner1 or tuner0? |
| [22:45:00] | [311]: | frig, i wanna get this working |
| [22:46:00] | [311]: | anyone have a good document on setting up myth with a pvr-150?? |
| [22:47:00] | Christ0pher: | 311: which distro are you on? |
| [22:47:00] | [311]: | knoppmyth |
| [22:48:00] | vladster: | do I have to add a user to the database? |
| [22:48:00] | Christ0pher: | It works on Gentoo... I'm using the pvr-500 which shows up as two pvr-150's |
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| [22:50:00] | [311]: | well this aint working at all |
| [22:51:00] | Christ0pher: | 311: first download the latest unstable drivers here: http://www.ivtv.tv/ |
| [22:51:00] | Christ0pher: | 311: and then you need to copy your FW off the CD you got from Hauppauge. |
| [22:53:00] | [311]: | i though in knoppmyth, the drivers are there. i can just select pvr250/350 from the list. use tuner1 and thats it |
| [22:54:00] | Christ0pher: | that's probably all bullshit. |
| [22:54:00] | [311]: | so i need to install the ivtv drivers first? |
| [22:55:00] | [311]: | if so, then screw knoppmyth. ill just use mandrake |
| [22:56:00] | jams: | the ivtv drivers are included with knoppmyth |
| [22:57:00] | [311]: | so then i should just be able to boot to it. select the card, and have it work |
| [22:57:00] | jams: | and yes it does autodetect that you need the drivers and will install them and the firmware for you |
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| [22:57:00] | [311]: | okay then. do i select tuner0 or tuner1 on the pvr150? |
| [22:58:00] | vladster: | should I be asking these questions in the mysql channel |
| [22:58:00] | jams: | no idea I have never used a pvr150 |
| [22:58:00] | jams: | but I would guess tuner0 |
| [22:59:00] | [311]: | cause i get tuner0 tuner1 composite1 svideo |
| [23:00:00] | [311]: | one tuner will be tv and the other fm |
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| [23:09:00] | [311]: | i just wish i could get confimation on if i should select pvr250/350 when using the 150 |
| [23:10:00] | poonj: | hey markw_ are you there? |
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| [23:11:00] | stoffel: | [311]: of course, as the pvr150/500 are the successors to the 250/350 |
| [23:11:00] | [311]: | kay, thanks! |
| [23:12:00] | [311]: | i read on another forum that i should be setting up tuner0 |
| [23:12:00] | [311]: | once i get this working ill write a nice how to with the info i've assembled. |
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| [23:20:00] | [311]: | hopefully i can get the 150 to work with a wintvgo when it comes in the mail |
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| [23:24:00] | mace: | hi – i'm attempting to setup a hauppauge nova t and the various howto's i've found tell me to install a patch from bytesex.org, however I'm unable to locate which patch i need.. any ideas? |
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| [23:40:00] | [311]: | where can i find out what channel frequency table my provider(rogers cable) uses? |
| [23:41:00] | [311]: | i know on an old tv of minre i had to select irc.but thats not an option here |
| [23:43:00] | [311]: | anyone? |
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| [23:54:00] | rah: | can I set up a single machine with a tv card and mythtv, and then have another machine with just mythtv, and watch tv on the other machine? |
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| [23:54:00] | [311]: | yep. the second would be a frontend |
| [23:55:00] | Ashlar: | 311, give them a call, that's the easiest way |
| [23:55:00] | [311]: | the easier way is to try them all lol |
| [23:55:00] | Ashlar: | well, yah, but that's a pain :) |
| [23:55:00] | [311]: | if it keeps me off the phone, its okay. |
| [23:56:00] | [311]: | and rogers, ill sit on the phone for 3 days |
| [23:56:00] | Ashlar: | yick |
| [23:59:00] | poonj: | hey guys...I was able to get dvb working for my pchdtv 3000 card at first. however, when I go to mythtv-setup now, it says that the dvb device/resource is busy....what am I doing wrong? |
| [23:59:00] | Ashlar: | poonj, are you trying to run mythtv-setup while mythbackend is running? |
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